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soren9580find is very cool12:00
soren9580thank you12:00
ompaulsabdfl, there are a couple of us looking at moving testing (daily updates) across, given that this box is the least critical it should be first to go, might be interesting to | tee all commands, I have a whole office to consider for april that is going to be fun, a couple of the developers have made the case to go Apple and got away with it - I need to get a blackberry to work with ubuntu that might be interesting :)12:00
mcphailnp12:00
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cwilluheh... I've lost X :)12:01
sabdflompaul: if you get the blackberry to work it would make a great addition to the wiki12:01
ompaulthis is true12:01
woodywartyCan somebody help me out with this:   smb://192.168.x.x thing12:02
woodywartyIt's not working man12:02
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beowuffWhat's the web site for the unoffical Ubuntu faq?12:02
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thr1cewhat vresion of gnome does warty-release live contain?12:03
zenroxbeowuff, www.ubuntuguide.org12:03
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andrewskihow do i set up mod_php on apache in ubuntu?12:04
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zenroxthr1ce, 2.8 2.7 something like that12:04
_miracoolix_hi, i just finished installing and configuring ubuntu 4.10. i used fc3 in the meantime and it seams, that there are some newer packages in fc3. what is ubuntu hoary array-6? is there a roadmap?12:04
drspinjava on hoary???12:05
thr1cehow does ubuntu do updates?  does it update software regularly, or just with new distro releases?12:05
zenrox_miracoolix_,  hoary is the devel of ubuntu12:05
drspinthe METHOD0 doesn't work from the wiki12:05
_miracoolix_zenrox, i see. is it on par with debian unstable?12:05
soren9580mcphail, is there any way to make find not recursive?12:06
zenroxdrspin, read www.ubuntuguide.org for java install12:06
zenrox_miracoolix_, better no major show stopers12:06
thr1celike...lets say a new Gaim comes out; must I compile it myself ?12:06
soren9580i've tried looking through the man pages and i can't find anything12:06
zenroxthr1ce,  if your on werty12:06
zenroxwarty12:06
blizahis there any terminal you can copy and paste in?12:06
mcphaili think -maxdepth may help12:06
thr1cezenrox, and if not?12:06
thr1ceis there an update tool?12:07
mcphailmcphail: man find - it is a difficult command12:07
zenroxstick aroudn for hoary then12:07
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ompaulthr1ce, you can, however you could wait for it to put into hoary and then upgrade to hoary12:07
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zenroxthr1ce, ya12:07
thr1ceso it only upgrades the distro, and not the software?12:07
zenroxthr1ce, i wont recomend you to upgrade to hary12:07
thr1cewhy not?12:08
zenroxwarty = stable only security updates for it12:08
zenroxhoary is unstable and unreliabe at times12:08
zenroxso one day somehitng will work the next it wont12:08
TomArayaI have a question regarding Gaim.. it isn't changing my screen name, it changes but it appears the same as it did as last time I logged into MSN under Windows. It never reflects what I change it to in Gaim.12:09
TomArayaI have the stable version for Warty.12:09
thr1ceTomAraya, #gaim12:09
zenroxya12:09
thr1cewow...that makes me not want to try ubuntu :(12:09
thr1cewhat kernel does warty ship with?12:10
zenrox2.6.812:10
zenroxhoary is 2.6.10 soon to be 2.6.1112:10
TomArayathr1ce, Thrice is a good band.12:10
thr1ceso hoary is like a "current" , bleeding edge sorta deal?12:10
cwilluxorg12:10
thr1ce:)12:10
zenroxthr1ce,  yes12:10
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thr1cei'm using slackware...not sure if anyone's familiar12:10
LoioshHeh12:11
zenroxya some ppl do12:11
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LoioshSlackware pwnes me =)12:11
thr1cethey have a stable, and a -current; I use the -current, which updates every other day or so12:11
zenroxthr1ce,  yep12:11
thr1cesimilar to that?12:11
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zenroxthen hoary is what you want12:11
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thr1cenot tryign to start a distro war or anything...just the best comparison that comes to mind :)12:11
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timsexit12:12
=== ompaul thinks that when you choose bleeding edge software you should be aware that it can cut :)
blizahdoes linux ever work like in windows you download an exe and double click install and then tell it where to install?12:12
blizahsorry im completly new at this12:12
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zenroxthr1ce,  change all your warty sources to hoary then do a sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade12:12
zenroxthr1ce,  make shure x ant running12:12
zenroxand make shure xorg gets installed12:12
thr1ceis that stable?  auto-updates can screw things up...12:12
zenroxand configured right12:13
TomArayablizah, not really, no.12:13
ompaulblizah, there is a tool called synaptic, use it and it does a lot of that kind of work for you12:13
blizahk12:13
zenroxthr1ce,  no major breaks that dont casue it to be dist-upgraded12:13
zenroxand used12:13
thr1ceok12:13
LoioshIt won't really tell you where things are installed though, Bliz =)12:13
thr1cei'm gonna try the live CD12:13
zenroxthe array cds dont work for me12:13
TomArayaDoes anyone know if there are any issues with Hoary and NDISWrapper?12:13
thr1cedoes it have any other WM's, or just gnome as a DE12:13
LoioshIf you want bleeding edge, the Array 6 CD came out yesterday, thr1ce12:14
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zenroxthr1ce,  kubuntu is in hoary12:14
thr1cewhat abotu fluxbox?12:14
cwilluso, how would I go about getting x started again to something recognizable?12:14
zenroxyou can d/l and install it just like any thange else12:14
zenroxbut thay dont support it12:14
zenroxread the forums12:14
thr1celike...I can apt-get fluxbox?  I've never used debian before12:14
zenroxfor help12:14
Marble2Can someone help me out? I have my cupsd.conf file set up to share my printers and other stuff on the network, allowing 192.168.1.* to access it, but a windows computer on the network (192.168.1.11) can't access the printer12:14
Marble2any ideas?12:14
andrewskithr1ce: it's in the universe repository.12:15
zenroxthr1ce, more like sudo apt-get install fluxbox12:15
zenroxbut ya12:15
thr1ceright..I guess I just was wondering if I had to install it myself, or just get it12:15
thr1ceso does horay give regular updates of things like glibc?12:15
zenroxicevwm, enlightment, wmmaker, kde ,gnome(default), and others too12:15
zenroxthr1ce, id asume so12:16
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Marble2anyone?12:16
cwilluI guess that "uninstalling gdm... this can't be good" was actually the case12:16
jbaileythr1ce: Until it's released, yes.  After that just security and critical fixes.12:17
thr1cejbailey, until what is released?12:17
cwilluabort! abort!12:17
jbaileythr1ce: Hoary.12:17
cwilluand so we reinstall12:17
cwilluwhy does this remind me of windows?12:18
jbaileycwillu: You shouldn't need to reinstall.12:18
ompaulcwillu, apt-get install ubuntu-desktop :)12:18
thr1ceso hoary is like the on-going development; the sort of next release in progress?12:18
jbaileythr1ce: Right.12:18
cwilluthank you :)12:18
thr1ceok...just curious :P12:18
LoioshOnce it's released, the new software / updates will be moved to the next version12:18
thr1cei'm gonna try the live CD12:18
jbaileythr1ce: This happened with warty before it.  It got developped until it was released, and then that's that, and hoary was born.12:18
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LoioshI don't remember the name off the top of my head.12:18
rviraniHow do I install KDE on this thig?n12:18
rviraniIs there a KDE port to PPC?12:19
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shocki just love ubuntu for having an allmost equally well tested powerpc version as the i368 version of stuff12:19
thr1ceso technically if I update regularly I would be already running hoary the day it's released?12:19
shocklikes it alot12:19
Loiosh#KUbuntu may be a little more helpful, rvi. It's the KDE version.12:19
Riddellrvirani: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingKDE12:19
rviranimore importantly java12:19
rviraniJAVA is important12:19
cwilluI knew if I made an obnoxious enough comment I'd get an answer eventually :p12:19
soren9580when i try and run the following command, i get the following error12:19
soren9580[nicholsc@redcoats downloads] $ find /home/nicholsc/downloads/ -name '*.avi' -mindepth 1 -maxdepth 1 -exec cp '{}' /nicholsc/nottrans/ \;12:19
soren9580cp: cannot create regular file `/nicholsc/nottrans/chris.avi': No such file or directory12:19
jbaileyshock: There are a few things that don't work quite as well, but we're getting there.12:19
shockthr1ce - pretty much, yes12:19
shock:D12:19
shockI know - its working like a charme here12:20
soren9580any idea why it would be saying no such file on a cp12:20
jbaileyrvirani: Depends what you need from the Java.  I saw a report today that gij is able to run eclipse now in Hoary.12:20
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cwilluheh... or apt-get install gdm... but I'll do the desktop anyway, I'm sure this is still horibly broken12:20
shockcompared to any distro before - even native debian (packages needed a lot of private tweaks there)12:20
thr1ceis ubuntu .rpm based?12:20
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shockjbailey - r u ubuntu core team?12:20
soren9580i figured it out12:20
mrproperWhen I try to compile something, I get configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check.  What package fixes that?12:21
shockI was looking at that "searching kernel dudes" thingy today12:21
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wigyorihi12:21
ompaulrvirani, if it important to you reading the FAQ about java on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingJavaSupport/view?searchterm=java might be of help to you :)12:21
zenroxthr1ce,  ubuntu is .deb based12:21
shockmight be checking back on that once my exams are done (wednesday)12:21
jbaileyshock: I'm not sure what that means.  I work full time on distro, yes.12:21
shock:D12:21
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shockthx man!12:21
Klywww.otomotivshow.com12:21
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jbaileymrproper: bulid-essential12:21
auraxanyone here uses 915G chipset of intel on linux ?12:21
thr1ceany troubles with ATI drivers with the new kernel, or doesn't anyone use them anymore?  :P  (3d accel)12:22
auraxthe D915GAVL mobo of intel*12:22
wigyorii'm trying to run 32-bit binaries on an ubuntu/amd64, but gets 'exec: no such file or directory'. when linking ld-2.3.2.so -> ld-linux.so, gets corrupted library. where should i start reading?12:22
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zenroxaurax, what are you trying to do12:22
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airoxhi, is there a way to mount a .bin/.cue file ?12:22
zenroxairox,  no12:23
rviraniompaul, you dont understand I am on a mac12:23
thr1cenope12:23
thr1cegotta bin2iso it12:23
auraxim buying 8 new desktops next week and want to make sure this mobo will work well12:23
zenroxthr1ce,  is right12:23
shocksomething really needed in ubuntu though is: more usb devices support (teledat isdn cards, usb wireless devices...)12:23
jbaileyrvirani: I have ati 3d accell on my ppc box, but it's not very fast.12:23
airoxok, let's do that :)12:23
shockthat would rock and make ubuntu the distro I'd install for customers12:23
ompaulrvirani, missed the reference12:23
LinuxJonesohh the Ubuntu-quickguide is excellent12:23
thr1cehow does one set up ati drivers on ubuntu; is it touch?12:23
thr1ceespecially with 2.6.1x kernel12:24
zenroxairox, sudo apt-get install bchunk12:24
shockid shure donate some, as soon as i make money *g*12:24
jbaileythr1ce: I did mine by hand, but the ppc box I'm running isn't supported yet.12:24
rviranijbailey, whats your point?12:24
auraxwhats bchunk ?12:24
zenroxbin2iso12:24
zenroxan easer ver12:24
mcphailairox: i'm not sure if mountiso can do it (needs KDE)12:24
LoioshSomeone URLed me a nice sit for that, thr1ce12:24
Loioshhttp://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto12:24
jbaileyrvirani: Sorry, I thought you were the one who mentioned that you needed ati support.12:24
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thr1cei use the 2.4.29 kernel still...I think it's as solid as a rock :)12:24
mrproperHow do I enable myself to install devel packages in Ubuntu?12:24
zenroxbchunk your.bin your.cue isoname12:24
jbaileyrvirani: I'm only sort of paying attention to the channel.12:24
auraxso zenrox u think it will work well ?12:24
shockjbailey - what ati r u having? - I dont have 3d - but at least I have working suspend =)12:25
zenroxaurax, it does work12:25
jbaileyshock: radeon12:25
airoxWhich package contains bin2iso ?12:25
shock 9600 M10 - powerbook12:25
zenroxairox,  bchunk12:25
shockthats what i have12:25
zenroxairox,  the command is bchunk your.bin your.cue yourisoname12:26
jbaileyshock: Check in /var/log/Xorg.0.log for error messages then.12:26
zenroxairox, no sudo12:26
shockallright12:26
airoxThe command isn't there zenrox12:26
zenroxairox,  you got to do sudo apt-get install bchunk12:26
zenroxfirst12:26
shockI am not running an ubuntu kernel, though12:26
jbaileyshock: Oh.  All bets are off then, sorry.12:27
shockstill some modified kernel including one of benh's patches12:27
shock;)12:27
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thr1ceok...suppose I'll try this live C12:27
OMarinhow can I install a kernel compiled for athlon xp??12:27
thr1cethanks for the help :P12:27
shocksince it works rather well I'm still waiting for those r300 project dudes to come up with something more =)12:27
shockthey rock allready12:27
zenroxthr1ce,  n/p12:27
jbaileyOMarin: apt-get install linux-k712:27
thr1cesee ya guys around12:27
ompaulhave fun12:28
OMarinjbailey: thanks12:28
thr1cealways :P12:28
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cwilluokay, here goes nothign...12:28
cwilluand...12:28
jbaileyOMarin: Don't remove the old one until you've tested it ;)12:28
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cwilluI've got hoary up on a laptop! :)12:28
cwillunow, what other trouble can I get myself into :)12:28
shock(II) RADEON(0): Direct rendering disabled12:28
mcphailairox: will this help - http://cdemu.sourceforge.net/ ?12:28
shock*sigh*12:28
zenroxcwillu,  woohoo the ubuntu virus strikes agine12:28
shocksome day...12:29
jbaileyshock: Yeah, but there should be something above that explaining why.12:29
cwilluheh12:29
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shock(**) RADEON(0): DPMS enabled12:29
shock?12:29
cwilluI've already put in on 400mhz intel chipset, a 1gig dell box12:29
jbaileyshock: Which patch keeps you from using the Ubuntu kernel?12:29
shockoh ok12:29
shock(WW) RADEON(0): Direct rendering not yet supported on Radeon 9500 and newer cards12:29
cwillua bleeding edge 3.3 gig12:29
darkcmdhmm... can I use different themes for GNOME.. under ubuntu12:29
darkcmdand a different GDM splash12:29
jbaileyshock: That'd be the reason then. =)12:29
shockthe benh sleep patch12:29
mrproperHow do I get gtk-devel packages in Ubuntu?12:29
cwillubut the laptop's been troublesome for years12:29
airoxmcphail: Already have the iso now :)12:29
zenroxcwillu, i have it runnin on my server warty any way12:29
shock:)12:29
airoxThanks anyway!12:29
soren9580is there a way to execute multiple commands with find?12:30
shockits like one of the sleep support patches for this kind of hardware12:30
zenroxcwillu,  400mhz celron 64 mbs of ram12:30
rem.12:30
cwillusounds familiar12:30
darkcmdok.. can I use the standard apt-get commands in ubuntu?12:30
zenroxcwillu,  no montor tho just a headless box12:30
LoioshWe did it with awk, Soren12:30
soren9580something like this12:30
soren9580find /home/nicholsc/downloads/ -name '*.avi' -mmin +10 -mindepth 1 -maxdepth 1 -exec cp '{}' /home/nicholsc/nottrans \; rm '{}' \;12:30
airoxdarkcmd: yep12:30
cwilluI'm actually using a beatrix on a 400 as a vpn server12:30
shockand since i didnt find any hints of it being integrated in te default kernel i kept using this kernel for like 5 months now12:30
OMarinjbailey: I'll do it tks12:30
shockmaybe only 412:30
zenroxcwillu,  tho i do run apps thru ssh12:30
Loioshfind . -name "*/CVS/*" | awk -i 'rm -rf {}' or something like that12:30
shock2.6.9-ppc-sleep712:30
zenroxon this box12:30
LoioshI don't remember the exact command12:31
selinium_hi all, does anyone have any idea on how i can get my palm ique 3600 to talk to ubuntu?12:31
zenroxcwillu,  including the gui apps12:31
blizahsudo apt-get dist-upgrade    does that upgrade me to hoary?12:31
darkcmdairox, are the GNOME packages the standard GNOME packages.. or are they special?12:31
Marble2Can someone help me out? I have my cupsd.conf file set up to share my printers and other stuff on the network, allowing 192.168.1.* to access it, but a windows computer on the network (192.168.1.11) can't access the printer12:31
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shockjbailey - could you do me a favor an check wether you 3d support enables the float - pbuffer extensions?12:31
mcphailsoren9580: as i said, find is tricky. I think you can use it to call a function (hence multiple commands)12:31
shockcause that would be a point of interest to me12:31
jbaileyshock: You do I check that?12:32
blizahim reading a mplayer howto install and it says first make sure everything is uptodate sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  --will that upgrade me to hoary?12:32
shockglxinfo12:32
jbaileyshock: Bah.  *how* do I check that? =)12:32
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shockprobably |grep float12:32
jbaileyshock:     GLX_SGIX_pbuffer is listed under client glx extensions.12:32
selinium_blizah: have a look at www.ubuntuguide.org it has all the commands there12:32
shockhmmmm12:32
Marble2anyone?12:32
blizahk12:32
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jbaileyshock: I don't see the word 'float' in here.12:32
shocki'd need to check for that one12:33
darkcmddoes ubuntu use its own apt repository12:33
shockI'm trying to do matrix-calculations in the gpu - so I kindof need the float extensions ;)12:33
cwilluhmm12:33
zenroxdarkcmd,  yes12:33
shockbut thx12:33
cwilluI've still got disappearing synaptic syndrome12:33
shockis you suspend working?12:33
shockyour12:33
mrproperIs Horay or Warty newer?12:33
cwilluhoary12:33
monoxidehoary12:34
airoxHmm.. There isn't a /dev/loop0 nod in my filesystem? Would I have to create it ?12:34
mrproperDoes Horay have inotify?12:34
selinium_mrproper: hoary is the beta12:34
mrproperk12:34
mrproperIt has GNOME 2.8?12:34
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shockAA2.1012:34
yoko-omowow12:34
yoko-omocore dump and everything12:34
yoko-omonice12:34
cwilluanyone know anything about synaptic?12:34
OMarinnice site  www.ubuntuguide.org12:34
airoxmount foo.iso -t iso9660 -o loop=/dev/loop0 /mnt/cdrom/ That won't work right ?12:34
zenroxairox,  read www.ubuntuguide.org12:34
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WillCookegreets apokryphos12:35
apokryphoshi there12:35
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selinium_Hi shock and zenrox, good to see you again!12:35
shockhoi12:36
WillCookeapokryphos, how goes it?12:36
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zenroxhi selinium_12:36
airoxzenrox: Thanks.12:36
zenroxairox,  n/p12:36
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yoko-omook, post script viewer in hoary will crash your s12:37
apokryphosWillCooke: all pretty swell. Some kde issues, but they're fixing up. Yourself?12:37
yoko-omosystem12:37
selinium_shock and zenrox: Thanks for all your help over the last few days. I will be glad when I have worked it all out! Can you suggest any good linux books?12:37
zenroxselinium_,  any thang that has linux in them12:37
WillCookeapokryohos, Bad!  I stuck Warty on the wife's box, and now it's fooked.12:37
selinium_zenrox: LOL!12:38
zenroxi found a good one i use that covers 5 difent distros and has good basic info12:38
zenroxall the distros are really old tho12:38
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zenroxbut the info is still bacickly the same12:38
zenroxstill12:38
apokryphosWillCooke: Heh. Best thing I ever did to my Ubuntu ;-). 3.4 is really sweet now, too. Put some screenies on the forum.12:38
mdkehelp! i can't log into gnome. permissions are screwed. Anyone else got this problem?12:38
blizahgotta love being a n00b im just plugging in stuff in the terminal based on this howto to get mplayer installed :D12:38
blizahno idea what im doing :D12:38
mdkehelp help help12:39
airoxblizah: heheeh12:39
WillCookeapokryphos, turns out the install CD I burnt was bad.  Having to download again!12:39
selinium_mdke: www.ubuntuguide.org has a few things you could try!12:39
cwilluWhy.  Does.  Synaptic.  Keep.  Freezing.12:39
WillCookeapokryphos, I quite fancy trying kbuntu12:39
ompaulselinium_, I suggest the debian bible and the linux 2005 bible linux trouble shooting bible all by wiley and any number of books from oreilly12:39
mdkeselinium_, hmm. I can't change the permissions in my home directory. Has it got something for that?12:39
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shockoff to sleep now... n8 all12:40
apokryphosWillCooke: a good idea, I think. They're testing things out at the mo. Haven't tried the iso myself. Can just use hoary and install from there12:40
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WillCookeapokryphos, Why KDE instead of Gnome for you?12:40
selinium_mdke: As i remeber it has how to overide permissions in there. With an install cd and the like12:40
selinium_ompaul: Cheers for the pointer!12:40
apokryphosWillCooke: Power, efficiency, programs, options, general feel etc.12:41
ompaulselinium_, I hope you find it of use12:41
mdkePleeeease somebody help me? My problem is thus: I cannot log into gnome and I've noticed that most of the permissions in my home directory are not readable for my user. I have attempted to change the permissions as root as nothing happens. Help!12:41
mdkeselinium_, will have a look12:41
LinuxJonesmdke, create a new user account and log into that one12:41
mdkeLinuxJones, ok i'll do that12:41
mdkeLinuxJones, will that help?12:41
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LinuxJonesmdke, yes12:41
selinium_mdke: yuo can then sudo with the new user12:42
mdkeLinuxJones, how?12:42
mdkeah is that the reason?12:42
OMarin use12:42
OMarin[20:41:52]  <mdke> Pleeeease somebody help me? My problem is thus: I cannot log into gnome and I've noticed that most of the permissions in my home directory are not readable for my user. I have attempted to change the permissions as root as nothing happens. Help!12:42
LinuxJonesmdke, it will create all necessary files with correct ownership12:42
OMarinsoory12:42
mdkeLinuxJones, yes but what about my previous user?12:42
WillCookeapokryphos, I haven't used KDE for ages, I always thought it was a little "heavy" compared to gnome.  KDE certainly looks pretty12:42
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selinium_Anyone here connected ubuntu to a palm device?12:43
ompaulif you can create such a user you can edit /etc/sudoers and make your new user have access to `ALL`12:43
woodywartyIs Gentoo more secure than Ubuntu ?12:43
selinium_Goodnoght shock!12:43
WillCookeselinium, yes and no!12:43
ompaulmdke that last comment by me was for you12:43
mdkeompaul, yeah but i'll need to be root to do that12:43
cwilluwhat do you mean by security?12:43
LinuxJonesmdke, or you could try chown -R user:user /home/userfolder  ie user= user account name12:43
WillCookeselinium, Yes I have, No it doesn't work (properly)12:43
apokryphosWillCooke: first word that came to my mind with the new kde was "lite", funnily enough :D. Heh. I don't think KDE or Gnome suits everyone. Different needs, different tastes, different aesthetics.12:43
cwilluout of the box?  as a server?12:44
soren9580how do i tell when my crontab has been executed?12:44
cwillucoffee shop?12:44
mcphailselinium_: Linux books? Try Linux from Scratch - you'll learn a lot12:44
mdkeLinuxJones, it already has the right owners.12:44
cwilluwoodywarty12:44
mcphailsoren9580: you should get mail12:44
soren9580cool12:44
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warty_hello12:44
mdkecron should log as well12:44
selinium_Cheers mcphail I'll give it a look!12:44
airoxhi warty_ :))12:45
LinuxJonesmdke, well something is messed up try creating the new user account12:45
warty_seems like ubuntu liveCD doesn't support smbmount huh?12:45
mdkeLinuxJones, ok what groups?12:45
WillCookeapokryphos, I'm told CD/DVD burning is a lot better in KDE, which is a good reason to try it for me12:45
zenroxselinium_,  biger the book the better12:45
selinium_zenrox: :D12:45
LinuxJonesmdke, when you create the suer Ubuntu will create a group for you12:45
LinuxJoneserr user12:45
mcphailselinium_: the SuSE manuals are good as well12:45
apokryphosWillCooke: I think k3b is the best program out there for it, yes.12:45
mdkeLinuxJones, umm. i need to specify the groups that a user will be in right?12:46
zenroxWillCooke, also try graveman12:46
ompaulright so I am off to bed, night all12:46
LinuxJonesmdke, Ubuntu will add you to the groups12:46
WillCookezenrox, Ta, I'll have a look12:46
mdkeLinuxJones, so just "useradd nick"?12:46
selinium_Cheers for all the pointers, I'm am off for some well desevred ZZZ's :D12:46
LinuxJonesmdke, are you in the account that you installed the system on ?12:46
mdkeyes12:47
warty_any ideas for smbmount alternatives for the ubuntu liveCD?12:47
LinuxJonesmdke, ok sudo admin-users12:47
WillCookedoes graveman to dvd?12:47
LinuxJonesmdke, use the gui it's easier :)12:47
mdkeLinuxJones, you read my question at the beginning right?12:48
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warty__alright...worked!12:48
warty__er...12:48
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airox:)12:48
LinuxJonesmdke, no12:48
mdke*sighs*12:49
thr1ceok...may I ask a few more questions?12:49
LinuxJonesmdke, you can't use sudo ?12:49
soren9580is there a way to use rsync and include my password?12:49
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soren9580so i can put it into a crontab file?12:49
thr1ceso, fluxbox can be installed easily?12:49
mdkeLinuxJones, "Pleeeease somebody help me? My problem is thus: I cannot log into gnome and I've noticed that most of the permissions in my home directory are not readable for my user. I have attempted to change the permissions as root as nothing happens. Help!"12:49
warty_mdke, chmod 755 /home/$user/* -R12:50
LinuxJonesmdke, what is your user account on the system ?12:50
mdkewarty_, as i said, I've done that12:50
sabdflmdke: where $user should be your username12:50
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warty_mdke, ls -lh /home/$user12:50
warty_who owns everything?12:50
mdkei've done it goddammit and the permissions don't change12:50
mdkethe user owns everything12:50
thr1ceok...where can I see what programs are available to be installed through apt-get?12:51
apokryphosthr1ce: synaptic12:51
LinuxJonesmdke, what happens when you try to login, does it just hang or is there an error that comes up ?12:51
mdkeit hangs and then gdm restarts12:51
mcphailgn12:51
mdkesome of the permissions have changed, and some remain drwx------12:52
cwilluhow does one change the synaptic touchpad settings?12:52
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thr1cewhat is the root password on a live CD?12:52
thr1celol12:52
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mdkeanyone?12:53
LinuxJonesmdke, were you ever able to log in ?12:53
mdkesure12:53
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mdkeuntil this evening12:53
LinuxJonesmdke, ok did you do any system upgrades or anything ?12:53
warty_how can i get smbfs support on the liveCD?12:53
Sk8PhateDoes anyone know the minimum system specifications to install and run ubuntu?12:53
warty_or is there any way i can mount any remote systems on the Ubuntu LiveCD?12:53
thr1ceok...I tried synamptic, but I cannot do it without root access; what is sudo password on live CD?12:53
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AndyRlo all12:54
cwilluSk8Phate:  32 megs ram12:54
AndyRhas anyone seen this on hoary? usb 1-1: device not accepting address 11, error -11012:54
mdkelinuxboy, just did some more12:54
airoxthr1ce: Your account password.12:54
mdkeLinuxJones ^^12:54
mdkeLinuxJones, its up to date now12:54
Sk8Phatethanks, what about cpu speed?12:54
mdkelemme restart12:54
LinuxJonesmdke, alright you on the system right here in irc or is it another machine ?12:55
cwilluHow do I configure my touchpad?12:55
thr1cecat /proc/cpuinfo ?12:55
thr1ceshould work...12:55
mdkeLinuxJones, another machine12:55
andrewskihow do i change the default boottime keyboard map?12:55
thr1ceso the list in synaptic is a list of packages that aren't upgraded...?12:55
LinuxJonesmdke, ok hit ctrl + alt + F2 then login your user account12:55
mdkeyes12:56
LinuxJonesmdke, type sudo -s and re-enter your user's password12:56
mdkeyes12:56
yasooafter installing the new kernel linux-image-686 the x server crashes. i think the problem is the nvidia driver(geforce 6800). it was fine on the old kernel..12:56
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thr1cewhere can I find packages that are available to be added through apt-get12:56
LoioshYou have to reinstall the driver, Yasoo12:56
LoioshIt attaches itself to the kernel12:57
yasoohow?12:57
OMarinwaht the diference between su and sudo? if my english is so bad sorry, I'm not american12:57
mdkelol12:57
King_Crimsoni have a problem12:57
mdkeLinuxJones, ok done those things12:57
robertjOMarin: su runs a new shell as a user12:57
LinuxJonesmdke, now create a new user account by typing   useradd linux  (or whatever account name you want to use)12:57
apokryphosthr1ce: erm, I answered before: synaptic. It's the GUI front-end of apt-get12:57
robertjsudo runs a command as another user12:57
yasooLoiosh: nvidia-glx-config disable/enable? this is the only command i know12:58
Loioshyasoo: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto12:58
King_Crimsoncan anyone help me?12:58
thr1ceapokryphos, yeah, I ran that, and it only lists pacakges that I have running currently12:58
LoioshHopefully that'll work =)12:58
apokryphosrobertj: nope, it runs the command as you, but simply you with root permissions12:58
thr1ceor are all of those the ones that can be upgraded?12:58
LinuxJonesmdke, type passwd username (username is the name of the account you just created)12:58
thr1ce(i have the warty live CD)12:58
tckKing_Crimson, just ask away12:58
apokryphosthr1ce: no it doesn't. You're telling me they're all "checked"?12:58
robertjapokryphos: hrmm12:58
mdkeLinuxJones, interesting. I hasn't been able to create a home directory12:58
mdke*it12:58
apokryphosthr1ce: or rather, they're all green?12:58
OMarinrobertj: how can i use sudo?12:58
robertjyeah, your right, and you can of course specify a non-root user12:58
thr1ceapokryphos, um...they're all green12:58
King_Crimsonok12:58
thr1ceapokryphos, what does that mean ?12:59
King_Crimsoni  i burnt a live cd12:59
tckKing_Crimson, ok12:59
robertjOMarin: sudo <command>12:59
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apokryphosthr1ce: then you have all the packages installed from apt, weirdly enough. Not quite sure why you did, but hey...12:59
robertjand then use the password of the current user12:59
LinuxJonesmdke, dude I have no idea what's going on with your system best to re-install.12:59
King_Crimsonand wen i put it in, the ubuntu loading screen comes up, it loads all the way, and then it makes hte logon noise.12:59
robertjas long as that user is in the admin group, which the first user is by default12:59
thr1ceapokryphos, I have nothing installed (it's a live CD)12:59
mdkeLinuxJones, :(12:59
apokryphosthr1ce: though, I'm sure you couldn't :D, since some packages confict..12:59
King_Crimsonbut hten the screen is black, my monitro goes into power save mode12:59
apokryphosthr1ce: oooh. That's different then.12:59
thr1ceapokryphos, I was told that I could install things like fluxbox from apt-get12:59
tckKing_Crimson, have you checked the ubuntu wiki for compatiblilty12:59
apokryphosthr1ce: for the live CD?01:00
LinuxJonesmdke, your system is messed up it only takes 1/2 an hour to re-install01:00
apokryphoserr..01:00
King_Crimsoncompatibility with wat?01:00
tckKing_Crimson, what is the computer01:00
OMarinrobertj: thanks for the definitions01:00
thr1ceapokryphos, no...just in general- if I were to switch01:00
tckwhat is the monitor01:00
King_Crimsonits a Pentium 3, windows xp01:00
apokryphosthr1ce: If you make the switch, then you can of course install fluxbox etc.01:00
mdkeLinuxJones, i have to back up too01:00
King_Crimsonbrb01:00
thr1ceapokryphos, yes... i was just looking for a list of the "etc"01:00
thr1ce:P01:00
apokryphosthr1ce: you can browse the repositories, if you want.01:01
apokryphosnot the funnest of things, naturally.01:01
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thr1ceapokryphos, of course...I'm just curious what's available...are many packages easy to find?  mostly like aterm, fluxbox, mplayer...etc.01:01
ellsdoes anyone know about smb or samba01:01
johnnybezakthr1ce: im running flux01:01
johnnybezakells a bit01:02
apokryphosthr1ce: of course01:02
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LoioshI do a little, ells01:02
OMarinwhat version of gnome have in ubuntu 4.10 by default in the cd of installation??01:02
ellswell, know that I am using a wep, I cannot connect using smb01:02
apokryphosthr1ce: Ubuntu has a debian backbone... repositories are super.01:02
thr1ce2.8.101:02
HiddenWolfOmarin: 2.801:02
airox2.8.101:02
LinuxJonesOMarin, 2.801:02
airox:))01:02
thr1ceapokryphos, ok...I'm a slackware user...so i'm used to doing things by hand... :)01:02
ellsis that normal01:02
OMarinthanks everybody01:02
LoioshAs far as I'm aware, the connection method shouldn't matter, ells.01:02
apokryphosthr1ce: whatever blows your hair back ;-)01:03
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thr1cei'm a big fan of "the best linux distro is the one that you like the best..."01:03
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thr1ceso, i'm trying a few out01:03
ellsLoiosh, can you tell me what might be wrong01:03
ellsfirst i had the files shared, it worked01:03
apokryphosthr1ce: which is, of course, true :P. No such thing as an objective linux distro, and -- quite frankly -- there never will be.01:03
ellsand then I used the wep and cannot01:03
LoioshWell, I can try to guess with a little more information. Is the Windows machine doing the sharing, or the linux machine?01:03
apokryphosthr1ce: objective *best linux distro01:03
ellsthe windows is sharing01:03
thr1ceapokryphos, so...updates are available (lets say a brand new Gaim is released) regularly?01:04
thr1cei run slackware -current, which is updated once or twice a week01:04
LoioshOk, what mount command do you use? Make sure you remove your password if you paste it here =)01:04
apokryphosthr1ce: good thing with running Ubuntu, or perhaps debian systems in general, is that the vast majority of the time, you're on the cutting edge of the distro. Kind of like running your OS's cvs01:04
ellssmb:IP01:04
ellssmb://IP01:04
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apokryphosthr1ce: regular updates are easy; only take two commands...01:04
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thr1ceand apt-get is pretty stable?  i've used a few auto-updaters that can bork some deps pretty bad01:05
LoioshAhh01:05
andrewskiapokryphos: but that's not as much the case as it is with gentoo, for example.  not to flame, just to put it into perspective.01:05
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ellsLoiosh, am I doing something wrong01:05
LoioshWhat ip address does your linux machine have, and what is for your Windows one?01:05
apokryphosthr1ce: sure01:05
LoioshI've never used the smb:// feature before01:05
LinuxJonesthr1ce, apt-get is awesome01:05
apokryphosandrewski: what's not the case?01:05
thr1ceok01:05
OMarinsomebody know if modem intel 537ep works in ubuntu?01:05
andrewskiapokryphos: that you're on the "cutting edge"01:06
ellslinux, 192.168.0.103, win, 192.168.0.10201:06
ellsboth firewalled01:06
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thr1ceso i just run a distro-update from apt-get every few days, and I'm as bleeding edge as it comes...?  :P01:06
LoioshOhh01:06
LoioshTry this01:06
ellsyeap01:06
ellsokay01:06
Loioshsmbclient -L 192.168.0.10201:06
ellsokay, hold on01:06
Loiosh/msg me what it says01:06
thr1cedamnit!  now i want to switch to ubuntu...01:06
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thr1ceer, wait!01:06
LoioshLoL01:06
thr1ceis xfce available?01:06
thr1ce:)01:07
apokryphosandrewski: Sure. Gentoo isn't based on debian though, is it :P01:07
LinuxJonesthr1ce, you type apt-get update (updates the package list) then apt-get upgrade (downloads and installs all updates)01:07
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apokryphosthr1ce: of course01:07
andrewskithr1ce: no, not as bleeding-edge as it comes.  almost, but only as close as packages are released.01:07
andrewskithr1ce: yup, 4.2 packages, provided by one of the developers.01:07
thr1ceLinuxJones, and that is pretty reliable and efficient?01:07
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andrewskithr1ce: but not on ubuntu's repositories; it's on os-works.com01:07
LoioshGentoo is totally bleeding edge crazy =)01:07
thr1ceso is slackware -current01:07
ellsLoiosh, in console01:08
asproi use xfce4.2 works great!01:08
LoioshYes01:08
jcurryi'm an debian user looking to use ubuntu xorg packages...can someone tell me where ubuntu installes xorg?01:08
LinuxJonesthr1ce, I bet all of your systems will be running Ubuntu within 2 weeks :)01:08
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asproand it is in the hoary repos01:08
apokryphosEvery computer in our house has a different Distro :P01:08
thr1celol01:08
apokryphosdifferent tastes01:08
thr1cewell, I'm pretty impressed with this liveCD01:08
andrewskiaspro: is it?01:08
asproaye01:08
thr1cei've never used a debian-based system01:08
asprothats where I got it form01:09
Xappeoh, god, i'm drun...sorry...01:09
LoioshYes, ells in console01:09
molsonAnyone get their Palm Tungsten E to sync with Ubuntu?01:09
andrewskiwow, it wasn't a little while ago.  i'll have to check it out; maybe i could get rid of a repository or two. ;P01:09
Xappe*drunk01:09
tckthr1ce, is that the hoary live cd, and if so did you try the warty one ?01:09
cwilluthr1ce, you might want to have a look at beatrix as well, it's debian, and draws off ubuntu.  Not quite as polished in many ways, but it does what it does well01:09
mz2is there a way of installing ubuntu without a bootable cd?01:09
LinuxJonesthr1ce, I would check out www.ubuntuguide.org it answers all the basic questions about using Ubuntu for new users.01:09
ellsLoiosh, it says it failed01:09
cwilluhttp://www.watsky.org I believe01:09
mz2or rather a cd drive at all01:09
LoioshFailed to connect?01:09
ellsyeap01:09
LoioshI need to see the exact fail message01:09
ellsokay01:09
mdkehi all, thanks to seb128 I am making a little progress with my problem. My partition is mounted errors=remount-ro. Does anyone know how I can fix this?01:09
thr1cethis is the warty CD01:09
tckok01:09
jcurryi'm an debian user looking to use ubuntu xorg packages...can someone tell me where ubuntu installes xorg?01:09
LoioshI'm betting your firewall is blocking the connection.01:10
ellsError connecting to 192.168.0.102 (Operation already in progress)01:10
ellsConnection to 192.168.0.102 failed01:10
apokryphosthr1ce: and, ubuntulinux.org will answer other questions such as history/philosophy.01:10
LoioshOh, hmm01:10
thr1ceLinuxJones, well, yeah...i just wanted a few specific questiosn answered, seeing as how i'm not really a linux newb01:10
LoioshOperation already in progress01:10
ellsthat is what it said01:10
tckjcurry, prob. /usr/bin/X1101:10
LoioshThat means it's already trying to connect01:10
ellsI will check, hold on01:10
jcurrytck, k, thanks01:10
thr1ceso, if I install this, apt-get distro upgrade will pretty much get me running hoary ?01:10
LoioshTo see the exact error message, you may have to log out / log in. But I'm not certain.01:10
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King_Crimsonim back01:10
LinuxJonesthr1ce, I wasn't trying to insult your intelligence or anything, but there is alot of good info on there with regards to how Ubuntu does things01:10
apokryphosthr1ce: you'll have to change your sources.list first, but yes, it will.01:11
LinuxJones:)01:11
asprothr1ce, not from warty, you'd need to change repo's01:11
thr1cewhat's the difference between a fully upgraded warty and hoary ?01:11
asproalot01:11
Fleebailey33please come to #palm. were really new a channel. its support for palm. we would like you guys to help us grow01:11
aspro:P01:11
ellsLoiosh, it now shows the network, but when clicked, it hangs, and does nothing01:11
thr1ceaspro, like...?  newer packages?01:11
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asproyeah, xorg and the like01:12
apokryphosthr1ce: They're different entirely. Warty is the older version (and it is a version). Like you running FC2, while Hoary is FC301:12
scorpixi do ln -sf /dev/cdrom /dev/dvd , how can i remove/undo it?01:12
LoioshOk, ells, try logging out / in. I need you to close that connection and run the smbclient command.01:12
thr1cewarty fully upgraded doesnt' have X 6.8.2 ?01:12
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ellsokay01:12
woodywartyells, are you using Hoary ?01:12
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apokryphosthr1ce: warty uses xfree01:12
andrewskiscorpix: delete the link01:12
thr1ceoh man...01:12
ellswarty01:12
thr1celol01:12
apokryphosthr1ce: I'm sure you could dream of it in terms of slackware01:12
OMarina package for debian works in ubuntu?01:13
woodywartySlackware rocks01:13
thr1ceapokryphos, xfree was gone at slackware 9.1!!!01:13
apokryphosmy socks01:13
jcurryOMarin, ubuntu is based of debian01:13
apokryphosthr1ce: there you go ;-). Running warty is like you running slack 9.1 when 10.0 is out.01:13
LinuxJonesOMarin, the package is probably available for install in the Ubuntu repositories01:13
woodywartyells, I think that your subnet mask or some basic network setup is little mixed up01:13
ellsroot@steveslaptop:/home/steve # smbclient -L 192.168.0.10201:13
ellstimeout connecting to 192.168.0.102:44501:13
ellstimeout connecting to 192.168.0.102:13901:13
ellsError connecting to 192.168.0.102 (Operation already in progress)01:13
ellsConnection to 192.168.0.102 failed01:13
apokryphosthough hoary is technically still in developement :P01:13
thr1cebut running warty fully upgraded wont' get me to slackware 10 ?01:13
woodywartyCan you ping it01:13
thr1ceells, ping the IP01:14
ellswoodywarty, what you suggest01:14
jcurryOMarin, and debian doesn't currently package xorg...and i want it :)01:14
ellsokay, hold on01:14
johnnybezakthr1ce: nope you need hoary for bleeding edge01:14
apokryphosthr1ce: hoary is where it's at. Why would you not want to go for it? ;-)01:14
thr1ceapokryphos, I would definitely go for it01:14
woodywartySlackware beats Ubuntu 3 times in terms of speed01:14
thr1cereally?01:14
ellsroot@steveslaptop:/home/steve # ping 192.168.0.10201:14
ellsPING 192.168.0.102 (192.168.0.102) 56(84) bytes of data.01:14
LinuxJonesjcurry, why not install Ubuntu ?01:14
OMarinLinuxJones: yeah, when I install I'll search01:14
LoioshOhoh, ells01:14
AndyRanyone have an answer about usb 1-1: device not accepting address 11, error -11001:14
ellsLoiosh, what01:15
woodywartyBut loses 3 times in terms of package management01:15
johnnybezakwoodywarty: but you lose that time downloading deps for all the packages you wnat to install :)01:15
XappeOMarin, don't trust me (i'm drunk as hell) but if you're lucky debian packages willl work01:15
LoioshNo ping replies?01:15
LinuxJonesOMarin, ;)01:15
jcurryLinuxJones, i have my debian system *way* too customized01:15
ellsI will retry, hold on01:15
mz2or can i even do a dist-upgrade from woody to hoary? :D01:15
LoioshHeheeh01:15
thr1cels -a /var/log/packages is the best type of package management IMO01:15
LinuxJonesjcurry, cusom kernels qnd whatnot ?01:15
AndyRall usb mass-storage has stopped working01:15
jcurryLinuxJones, migrating would simply take too much time, which i don't have01:15
OMarinjcurry: xorg 6.8 have in ubuntu?01:15
jcurryLinuxJones, that too :)01:15
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soren9580i need to run rsync as a cronjob01:15
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thr1cewoodywarty, you've really noticed a big decrease in speed?  even if I've got a 2100 athlon with a gig of ram?01:16
jcurryOMarin, what? ubuntu has 6.8, debian doesn't01:16
soren9580is there a way to just stick my password in the crontab file01:16
soren9580to make it work?01:16
LoioshI'm not much for slack. It's.. too manly for me.01:16
apokryphosYeah, heard of quite a few debian users taking the ubu xorg01:16
jcurryLinuxJones, but i do recommend ubuntu to my friends01:16
soren9580or how should i go about getting the password stuff to work?01:16
woodywartyWell just reduce the configuration by 2 times and you will see the difference01:16
ellsLoiosh, how can I find out what my own IP ish01:16
ellsis01:16
Loioshifconfig ath001:16
ellsokay01:16
LoioshIf you're using wireless?01:17
LoioshOr just ifconfig01:17
thr1ceman...I feel so leet running slackware...lol01:17
jcurryapokryphos, i tried compiling my own first, but apt upgrading xfree would mess with that01:17
thr1ceyou guys make it seem like the impossible01:17
LinuxJonesjcurry, changing distros is a pain but It was worth it for me to switch to Ubuntu, man it's awesome01:17
LoioshHehehe thr1ce, if you can do that, Ubuntu will be nothing =)01:17
thr1ceLoiosh, yeah, so I imagine01:17
OMarinjcurry: ubuntu use xorg or xfree?01:17
jcurryLinuxJones, what benefits will i get, exactly?01:17
ellsPING 192.168.0.103 (192.168.0.103) 56(84) bytes of data.01:17
ellsFrom 192.168.0.101 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable01:17
ellsFrom 192.168.0.101 icmp_seq=2 Destination Host Unreachable01:17
thr1ceas long as I can be bleeding edge, I think I'll do ti01:17
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jcurryOMarin, hoary uses xorg, warty uses xfree01:17
YomicI'm having truble installing java. Can anyone help me?01:18
thr1ceAND as long as I can have fluxbox :)01:18
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LinuxJonesjcurry, well there are regular release cycles for 1, the irc channel is full of cool people and the developers are very nice to offer help when they have time01:18
YomicI'm using the ubuntuguide faq but I'm getting an error.01:18
ellsLoiosh, what ya think01:18
OMarinjcurry: hoary was released?01:18
tcklads King_Crimson has a geforce fx5200 ultra01:18
jeff_does anyone know if you can run windows visual stuido under linux01:18
jcurryOMarin, i don't know01:18
tckanyone have problems with that before ?01:18
ellsLoiosh, do you think it is my router01:18
jeff_or compile sources for it01:18
jeff_with linux01:19
jdubjeff_: relatively unlikely.01:19
johnnybezakthr1ce: once youve had it you cant go back hey? :)01:19
thr1cejust not a big gnome fan unfortunately01:19
thr1cea little bloated for me01:19
Zotnix:D Someone pingbacked my blog and I'm happy.01:19
LinuxJonesjcurry, there is also 18 months support for a release which will co-incide with the gnome release schedule afaik ;)01:19
woodywartyTry FreeBSD01:19
jcurryLinuxJones, i run sid, which has updates whenever i want it, and #debian has the coolest bot ever, dpkg :)01:19
LoioshElls: How is your network configured? I'm guessing you have a cable modem/DSL router, your windows computer connected to that, then a wireless router?01:19
thr1cenetBSD he menas :P01:19
ZotnixI wrote a small piece on Ubuntu and basically explained why *I* liked it... and someone said I explained it very well.01:19
jcurryLinuxJones, and i don't run gnome :)01:19
ellscable modem, yes01:20
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thr1cedoes hoary use betas and RC's ?01:20
LinuxJonesjcurry, the only thing I miss about the Debian irc channel is the bot, doesn't say much for the other people there :D01:20
thr1celike, gnome 2.9 for example01:20
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jcurryLinuxJones, i think i only talk to the bot01:20
apokryphosthr1ce: well, kind of. Hoary is technically in developement.. and arrays are issued every so often01:20
LoioshElls: How are your connections setup?01:20
LinuxJonesjcurry, IMHO there are some real lamers in that channel01:20
jcurryLinuxJones, it tells me all i need to know, and people to have to answer the same question a million times01:20
ellsLoiosh, what do you mean exactly01:20
beowuffWhy are the multimedia Plugin for firefox different for Pentium 4 and everything else on ubuntuguide?01:20
apokryphosthr1ce: but, they're more just snapshots on ISOs01:20
ellsI can see the computers name01:21
ellswhen clicking network01:21
LoioshNono, nothing technical01:21
LinuxJonesjcurry, I wish they would install it here01:21
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thr1ceapokryphos, right...so, it's stable in theory >?01:21
LoioshYou have a cablemodem. What is connected to the cablemodem?01:21
ellswhen I click the link, they wont come up01:21
ellsthe router01:21
jcurryLinuxJones, i still don't think lamers in #debian is a reason i should switch to ubuntu01:21
apokryphosthr1ce: very much so, yes.01:21
LoioshOk, this is the wireless router?01:21
ellsyes01:21
LinuxJonesjcurry, no but it's another fringe benefit :P01:21
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jcurryLinuxJones, and if i get a new computer (i plan to), i will install debian on it anyway01:21
ellswith a land line connection as well01:22
LoioshWhat is its ip address?01:22
YomicI'm having truble installing java. I'm using the ubuntuguide.org faq but I'm recieving an error.01:22
ells192.168.0.101, I think01:22
LinuxJonesjcurry, if your happy with Debian that's cool I ran it for 3 years01:22
LoioshAnd your Windows computer?01:22
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jcurryLinuxJones, imho, ubuntu only has user-friendlyness over debian, and i am a power user...i can manage01:22
woodywartyWell FreeBSD is the best01:22
thr1cenetBSD *01:22
jcurryLinuxJones, but i do recommend it to beginners, for that same userfriendlyness01:22
thr1ce:)01:23
HiddenWolfjcurry: it has over debian that it actually goes somewhere01:23
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YomicI didn't like netbsd too much.01:23
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thr1cewoodywarty, you truly think that slackware is quicker?01:23
ZotnixI think Ubuntu at this very moment is not very user friendly.01:23
LoioshI would believe that slax is quicker.01:23
ZotnixIt's between, say, using Slackware, and using Mandrake.01:23
thr1cewhat!?01:23
LoioshThan Ubuntu01:23
thr1cethose are complete opposites01:23
LinuxJonesZotnix, the distro is only like 4 months old :D01:23
ZotnixI know. We are in the middle.01:24
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jcurryHiddenWolf, i see what you mean, but i don't necessarily see debian's current state as problematic01:24
thr1ceoh...lol01:24
out_of_focusHello01:24
ZotnixUbuntu has some nice "user friendly" features but I don't think it is quite as easy as some other distros.01:24
apokryphosthr1ce: Can't really compare ubuntu to anything other than debian, I don't think.01:24
thr1cewhat about on a fast machine?  will a big difference be noticed?01:24
apokryphosmaybe Mepis, but never tried it01:24
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jcurryHiddenWolf, they'll sort everything out, i think01:24
HiddenWolfjcurry: How long have we been waiting on sarge?01:24
out_of_focusZotnix: what other distros are more user friendly than Ubuntu?01:24
johnnybezakmandrake01:24
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mdkeseb128, sorry to bother you again, but maybe you are the only person that can help. Why would my partition mount -ro like that? I've run fsck and there are no errors01:24
johnnybezakany one with a graphical installer :)01:25
ZotnixMandrake, SUSE, Red Hat, (and in essense Fedora and CentOS)01:25
knapjackAnyone know if bzflag 2.0 is in Hoary sources?01:25
out_of_focusgraphical installers require more resources and such01:25
thr1cewhat about odd pacakges; like gtkpod ?01:25
ZotnixNot graphical installer wise.01:25
HiddenWolfjcurry: they will sort it out, but they'll have to get their groove on01:25
seb128mdke: what line do you have in /etc/fstab for this partition ?01:25
Zotnixnot talking graphical installer at all.01:25
ZotnixI mean general use.01:25
mdkeseb128, defaults,errors-ro...01:25
thr1ceis gtkpod atp-get able?01:25
johnnybezakwell shit they all run gnome or kde so there is hardly any difference01:25
LinuxJonesZotnix, all those distro run like crap for me01:25
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OMarinwhen hoary will release?01:25
LoioshI haven't tried Mandrake. I don't like them trying to sell me crap when I just want to download the dists.01:25
mdkeseb128, its just one partition as .01:26
mdke*/01:26
seb128mdke: the option comes from here, dunno why you get errors on the drive tough01:26
ZotnixLinuxJones, lot of bloat. Oddly once I disabled a lot on Mandrake it ran faster than most distros I've used.01:26
seb128though01:26
out_of_focusdistros in which you are paying for something, i don't consider them to be true open source01:26
apokryphosjohnnybezak: the difference is great ;-). If it wasn't, this channel would be *very* small and #gnome/#kde would be huge.01:26
out_of_focussuch as xandros and mandrake01:26
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ZotnixMandrake for me was free.01:26
mdkeseb128, should i eliminate that line in fstab?01:26
seb128probably not01:26
mdkewell not the whole line obviously01:26
johnnybezakout_of_focus: you dont have to pay for mandrake01:26
LinuxJonesZotnix, I started with Mandrake back in 2000 it was a real breath of fresh air coming from windows01:26
seb128in remounts on ro on errors01:26
LoioshIt is free, Zot01:26
OMarinwhen hoary will release?01:27
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LoioshBut, when I go to download it, I have to click through advertisements of their paid-dists.01:27
ZotnixLinuxJones, I loved Mandrake. I just didn't like the fact it didn't have more obscure packages.01:27
out_of_focusthe mandrake that you can download for free is a crippled version compared to the $80 pay version isn't it01:27
LinuxJonesOMarin, in April01:27
johnnybezakapokryphos: i'm talking about user friendliness not what happens when stuff doesnt work01:27
LoioshThat kinda of attitude I detest.01:27
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out_of_focusotherwise they wouldn't be able to make money off of their $80 version01:27
ZotnixAnd urpmi seemed sluggish. Not as bad as yum though.01:27
johnnybezakout_of_focus: no it isn't it just doesnt have non free packages in it01:27
rubixXxwhats a good game server browser for enemy-territory01:27
LinuxJonesZotnix, rpm's are poison that's why I switched to Debian01:27
OMarinLinuxJones: no choice to change this date?01:27
apokryphosjohnnybezak: this channel isn't for just when stuff doesn't work, believe it or not, but sure, you're quite right otherwise.01:27
mdkeseb128, i don't see any errors reported in dmesg01:28
johnnybezaki liked urpmi, it worked sweet for me01:28
thr1ceso...can I browse apt-get able (install) extra packages anywhere?01:28
JDahlout_of_focus, I think alot of people buy the mandrake CDs just to help the company01:28
johnnybezakapokryphos: hehe of course :)01:28
out_of_focushmm01:28
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LinuxJonesOMarin, they should be getting ready to freeze hoary in a few weeks01:28
johnnybezakthr1ce: i think there is a web mirror01:28
LoioshThe point is that they force those adds on me. I don't appreciate it =)01:28
LoioshSo I won't use them.01:28
out_of_focusi'm downloading the Hoary live cd for ppc right now--i've never seen a ppc live cd before this01:28
thr1cejohnnybezak, yes...any idea where?01:28
Marble2what do I use to extract a .gz file?01:29
rubixXxthr1ce): take a look at Synaptic Package Manager's GUI frontend for ubuntu01:29
OMarinLinuxJones: thanks01:29
soren9580anyone know how to use a stored password using rsync when not using an rsync server?01:29
thr1cea tar.gz?01:29
Marble2no01:29
LinuxJonesZotnix, that's because they coded urpmi in like ruby or something01:29
Marble2just .gz01:29
thr1cetar xvfz file.tar.gz01:29
LinuxJonesOMarin, ;)01:29
seb128mdke: /var/log/syslog and /var/log/messages ?01:29
thr1cerubixXx, I am...I want a list of extra packages, like fluxbox01:29
ZotnixLinuxJones, both yum and urpmi liked to randomly freeze on me and take forever rebuilding indexes.01:29
ZotnixI suspect bad coding perhaps.01:29
johnnybezakthr1ce: just google ubuntu repository01:29
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LinuxJonesZotnix, yeah exactly01:29
ZotnixBut I have to say I loved right clicking on a folder and enabling sharing.01:30
JDahlthr1ce, fluxbox is universe or multiverse, I think01:30
LoioshHeheh01:30
LoioshThat SuSE, Zot?01:30
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ZotnixOr sharing internet without writing a dhcpd.conf file.01:30
thr1ceJDahl, that means nothing to me... :(01:30
ZotnixLoiosh, Mandrake.01:30
HillTopAnyone have trouble rebooting from hte latest hoary live CDs? I tried both the GNOME and KDE versions. I exit and after a little activity, nothing. So I try consol: # shutdown -r now  and after many lines and final reboot announcement -- nothing.01:30
LinuxJonesZotnix, I don't know why they didn't adopt apt4rpm it's just stupid to re-invent the wheel, especially something as good as apt01:30
johnnybezakthr1ce: the flux versiion with hoary is 0.9.9-101:30
mdkeseb128, should it be "root=/dev/hda1 ro single" in grub?01:30
apokryphosthr1ce: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/01:30
ZotnixI noticed GNOME implemented the right click -> share recently.01:30
thr1cejohnnybezak, aaw, that's an older version of fluxbox!01:31
ZotnixOn Hoary.01:31
ros_i have a question about the thrash bin01:31
ZotnixDoesn't work very well yet.01:31
johnnybezakthr1ce: i just compiled from source here01:31
thr1cei wanted fluxbox .9.12  :(01:31
ros_everytime i delete something, it does not show up in the thrash bin01:31
jeff_how do i mount a bin/cue file01:31
johnnybezakthr1ce: was no big deal at all01:31
apokryphosthr1ce: pretty much any package that debian has, ubu does, so this would mostly be easy to use: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages. Some differences, of course, though.01:31
thr1cejeff_, you can't; man bin2iso01:31
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seb128mdke: no, "single" is the "single user" mode01:32
thr1cejohnnybezak, yes, I know...but was hoping I wouldn't have to as much anymore...01:32
jeff_sure you can, if my memory serves me correcterly01:32
jeff_i just cant remeber01:32
johnnybezaki think that packages are ubuntu's single biggest weakness atm, but they are getting better01:32
mdkeseb128, but ro is correct?01:32
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ros_i have a question about the thrash bin01:32
ros_everytime i delete something, it does not show up in the thrash bin01:32
johnnybezakthr1ce: yeah ive had to build a few things from source with ubuntu01:32
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apokryphosjohnnybezak: what's wrong with them?01:32
johnnybezakapokryphos: theres not enough of them :D01:32
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apokryphosI've built about very few things from source; mostly because they were cvs01:33
thr1cejohnnybezak, yes...but when a newer version of flux comes, it's a pain to rid of01:33
apokryphosjohnnybezak: The repos are hu-uge.01:33
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johnnybezaknot huge enough for my liking :D01:33
apokryphosI thought that was among its primary strengths01:33
LoioshOopsi01:33
LoioshI think I killed ells01:33
seb128mdke: right01:33
apokryphosnot quite as big as emerge, from what I hear of it, though.01:33
woodywartyUbuntu is Human01:33
jeff_yea what does ubuntu mean01:34
johnnybezakyeah i had gentoo damn portage is sweet01:34
Xirdnehhi there, i inserted a vcd into my cd rom and i was watching it, after a while i wanted to change cds but now the cd rom wont open, is there any way tu forcefully open it?, thnx01:34
jeff_and how do you pronouce it01:34
knapjackdang, bzflag source in hoary is still 1.1001:34
apokryphosjeff_: ubuntulinux.org01:34
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LoioshI like source building.01:34
LoioshX.org was my fav.01:34
johnnybezakLoiosh: what are you masochistic?01:34
apokryphosWhatever blows your hair back. =)01:34
LoioshIt's a nice challenge when I have time to waste =)01:34
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johnnybezakXirdneh: sudo eject /mnt/cdrom01:35
LoioshI get impatient waiting for updates.01:35
johnnybezakLoiosh: lol01:35
Xirdnehthnx johnny01:35
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LoioshThey won't move to a new dist yet.01:35
thr1ceman...I can't find fluxbox anywhere on ubuntu archives01:35
apokryphosheh01:35
mdkeseb128, only thing i can see in syslog is "RAMDISK: cramfs filesystem found at block 0. VFS: Mounted root (cramfs filesystem) readonly01:35
knapjackLoiosh: Me to, but I prefer to keep everything integrated with my package management, so I tend to rob sources from Debian unstable or hoary.01:35
johnnybezakis there some shorthand way of cd'ing up a directory?01:36
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LoioshWell, if I can ever get Ubuntu to install, that would be lovely =)01:36
LoioshNo one's been able to diagnose my problem yet though01:36
knapjackjohnnybezak: like 'cd ..' ?01:36
johnnybezakthr1ce: its there01:36
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thr1cejohnnybezak, aaah, got it01:36
johnnybezakknapjack: thats what im looking for :)01:36
thr1ceyeah...0.9.9-1 :(01:36
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thr1ceif it had .9.12, i'd be sold instantly01:37
knapjackjohnnybezak: Same trick works on Windows/DOS01:37
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thr1cewhat about packages like Gaim...how quickly are they updated ?01:37
GNAMINCREDIBLE01:37
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GNAMubuntu is the first linux distro that works01:37
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apokryphosheh01:37
mdkebah01:37
thr1ceGNAM, though it may not be the distros that have failed... :)01:37
johnnybezakknapjack: never used dos really :) (mac background)01:37
GNAMaauua01:37
GNAMbeh01:37
knapjackAh.  Same trick works in a Terminal on OSX. ;)01:37
LoioshAhh, Johnny01:37
GNAMwarty won't install, hoary rulez01:38
LoioshWhat do you think of it so far? It's -so- different from Mac01:38
johnnybezakknapjack: yeah i presume it would, i've just never looked for how to do it :)01:38
johnnybezakwhat linux or ubuntu?01:38
hou5tonhey ... i have an interesting situation that we have been unable to solve .... I have a laptop with two harddrives, and on the orginal one was xp, and on a second one I installed Ubuntu01:38
johnnybezak(linux in general or ubuntu specifically)01:38
LoioshUbuntu? =)01:38
knapjackjohnnybezak: I have a friend on OSX that I keep giving bash hints to slowly but surely.01:38
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johnnybezakknapjack: hehe01:39
hou5tonthe install "said" it was putting grub on the xp drive, but didn't01:39
knapjackjohnnybezak: ...but I love my wife's iBook.01:39
thr1ceok...so, if I install hoary, and hoary is released...will it automatically switch me to the next, upcoming release?01:39
jeff_is there a package on synaptic for something like bin2iso01:39
johnnybezakwell i've got ubuntu installed on my iMac 17" so you might say i voted with my feet :)01:39
thr1ceI assume I can just change a few files, and it will make me bleeding edge?01:39
knapjackjohnnybezak: I would invest in a Mac if I weren't so invested in PC hardware already.01:39
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thr1cewhen I uggrade-distro, that is01:39
apokryphosthr1ce: you only need to put in two commands to update your hoary01:39
hou5tonso I switched the bios to boot to the linux drive, but the choice to boot windows doesn't work01:39
LinuxJonesthr1ce, yes01:39
knapjackjohnnybezak: But, a co-worker loaded Ubunut warty on an old iMac and it ran very nicely.  I was impressed.01:39
out_of_focushow come nobody has came up with a good linux/windows program that is similar in functionality to Mac OS X's Expose?01:40
thr1ceapokryphos, yes...but I always want to be as updated as possible; when a new gaim comes out, I want it instantly01:40
apokryphosthr1ce: when the next distro is out, it'll be the same. A change of repositories, and away.01:40
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johnnybezakknapjack: it's pretty nice, linux on ppc has some annoying things though01:40
hou5tonsome linux guru friends have looked at it too, and we haven't been able to make it work01:40
hou5tonany ideas?01:40
johnnybezakno 3d drivers no flash01:40
thr1ceapokryphos, and how do I change repositories?01:40
knapjackI've used Linux on PPC before, but I was wondering how Nautilus would hold up on such an old PPC.01:40
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thr1ceapokryphos, a simple conf. file ?01:40
apokryphosyes01:40
apokryphossources.list01:40
out_of_focusget the hoary livecd for ppc01:40
johnnybezakknapjack: i use flash01:40
johnnybezakknapjack: i use flux *01:40
knapjackjohnnybezak: I hate that for things like Flash it would take Macromedia all of ten minutes to produce a PPC port.01:40
knapjackCitrix client, too.01:41
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johnnybezakknapjack: yeah the problem is ppc linux is a niche in a niche01:41
apokryphosthr1ce: if it's just a package you want to install, then you just update that from the repository. No need for a whole system upgrade (if you don't want to make one)01:41
thr1cehow long do packages like Gaim take before they are updated ?01:41
apokryphosthr1ce: I have no idea; I don't use gaim.01:41
knapjackthr1ce: security updates happen as fast as possible.01:41
apokryphoscurrent is 1.301:41
thr1ceknapjack, i mean any given package01:41
apokryphos*1.401:41
out_of_focusthen find a 3rd party flash player for ppc linux, or make one yourself.01:41
thr1ce1.1.401:41
tckthr1ce, what fucntion are you awaiting for with gAIM01:41
apokryphos*1.1.401:41
apokryphoseek, yeah01:41
ZotnixWoah01:41
ZotnixThat was the biggest... butcher of the gaim name ever.01:42
thr1ceno, just curious as to how long it would take for it to be updated in the repository01:42
apokryphoshehe01:42
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Zotnixtck, don't let Gaim developers catch you saying gAIM.01:42
knapjackthr1ce: usually version updates require you to wait for a new version of that distribution, build from source (not too bad), or try to install the binary from the newer distribution.01:42
thr1celike, lets say Gaim 1.1.5 came out yesterday; how long would it take before I can apt-get upgrade it01:42
johnnybezakout_of_focus: not that interested man :)01:42
sabdflnight all01:42
ZotnixThey're rabid.01:42
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knapjackthr1ce: Probably never.01:42
apokryphosthr1ce: 0.2 hours01:42
tckZotnix, *mental note*01:42
thr1ceum...01:42
LinuxJonesthr1ce, you can always take the initiative and package the latest gaim and submit it for inclusion in Ubuntu :)01:42
the_grey_ghosthas anyone had experince with using the miniram how to on the website?01:43
out_of_focusthen just use mac os if you want flash on ppc.01:43
ZotnixWhat is gaim on now?01:43
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ZotnixThey keep releasing.01:43
thr1ce1.1.401:43
thr1ce1.1.3 was bugged to hell01:43
thr1cethat's why it was released to quickly01:43
knapjackthr1ce: But, you can add hoary's source packages, do an 'apt-get build-dep gaim' and 'apt-get -b source gaim' and you'll get the new version.01:43
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ZotnixDidn't notice.01:43
knucksand im back kids01:43
out_of_focusi don't see why somebody would use linux on a ppc instead of os x--the only reason i can think of is if os x is slow on the machine01:43
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knucksso i cant get libmikmod working01:44
LoioshOr, they just hate OSx =)01:44
knuckswhy01:44
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out_of_focusi love os x01:44
out_of_focusbut i hate windows!01:44
the_grey_ghostOSX costs money legallly01:44
knapjackout_of_focus: linux on PPC rocks.  If I needed linux and had my choice between x86 and PPC, I would run PPC.01:44
thr1ceknapjack, I would be running hoary...or, cvs style ubuntu, whatever the term is01:44
out_of_focusi got panther from my friend01:44
thr1cei was assuming packages get updated regularly01:44
knapjackthr1ce: You would be running warty with just the one package from hoary.01:44
johnnybezakout_of_focus: i just like flux better :) and apps like gimp inkscape etc. work better on linux01:44
the_grey_ghostI have 20 Imacs with os9 and I don't know what to do with them! Half cannot use ubuntu01:45
thr1ceknapjack, no, if I ran ubuntu, i would run hoary01:45
apokryphosnaturally01:45
johnnybezakthe_grey_host: why not?01:45
out_of_focusbut are all the same packages for x86 linux able to run on ppc without having to recompile for the ppc platform?01:45
thr1ceno01:45
johnnybezakout_of_focus: ubuntu has all packages compiled for ppc01:45
out_of_focusdoes ppc ubuntu have universe?01:45
thr1ceotherwise everyone woudl run os x on x86 :P01:45
knapjackthr1ce: So you're asking how long before the latest version of package X is in the unstable version of Ubuntu?  It's up to the developer.01:45
out_of_focusor at least a partially complete universe01:45
esherwhats the difference between latest ubuntu hoary and latest gnoppix 0.9.90b1 Hoary ?01:46
johnnybezakout_of_focus: yes01:46
the_grey_ghostJohnny: half cannot boot from CD. I cnould do a net install, but the machines only have 32Mb ram.01:46
out_of_focusokay then thats good01:46
out_of_focusin that case i'd be able to get java and such01:46
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johnnybezakout_of_focus: ppc is supported by ubuntu01:46
knapjackthr1ce: Because Ubuntu shares packages with Debian, the turnaround is usually quick.01:46
knuckswhy cant i get xmms working01:46
thr1ceknapjack, I'm just trying to understand the way ubuntu works...sorry :(  (i've been running slackware for a year or so)01:47
johnnybezakthe_grey_host: i thought all newish macs could boot from the cd - other wise how did you install os 9 on them?01:47
knapjackthr1ce: ...and I've found that as long as the package in question has a maintainer, you can just email them and say, hey, did you know a new version just came out?01:47
the_grey_ghostAnyone know a free opensource text browser for os9 macintosh?01:47
out_of_focusmozilla?01:47
thr1celinx?01:47
LoioshHehe01:47
Loioshlynx!01:47
the_grey_ghostOpenoffice and Abiword say they need osx01:47
LoioshMy baby01:47
thr1cey01:47
knapjackthe_grey_ghost: BBEdit, but it's not open source01:47
out_of_focusanybody still using os 9 is umm, why?01:47
johnnybezaktext editor?01:47
knapjackthe_grey_ghost: There's also VIM01:47
out_of_focuseither use os x or linux, cuz os 9 just sucks.01:47
GoneBoBthe_grey_ghost: www.ubuntulinux.org01:47
GoneBoBit's a free browser01:48
GoneBoBbut it comes with a free OS as well01:48
knapjackout_of_focus: old world PPC, maybe.01:48
blizahto get cs working under linux do i have to have cs installed on a windows drive and run it under wine or can i install it on linux and run it under wine?01:48
the_grey_ghostOut_Of _Focus Because I need to do things Legit. OSX costs money dosen't it?01:48
knucks..01:48
knapjackout_of_focus: or 680x001:48
thr1ceknapjack, so...if I change my repositories to the latest and greatest, I could upgrade Gaim regularly whenever it's released?01:48
out_of_focus680x0 can't run os 9 :-P01:48
knapjackYep, pretty much01:48
johnnybezakblizah: there is a cs install how to on linux games01:48
thr1ceis there a changelog of sorts for ubuntu?01:48
apokryphosthr1ce: you don't change your repositories for new packages01:48
andrewskithr1ce: as soon as a package is released.01:48
out_of_focusthe highest mac os that a 68k can run is 8.101:48
the_grey_ghostElse I would upgrade them01:48
out_of_focusbut linux it can run quite a lot01:48
johnnybezakblizah: but it can be on your linux filesystem01:48
apokryphosthr1ce: only for a new distribution version. Like hoary/warty. Taht's the only time...01:49
blizahyay01:49
thr1ceapokryphos, I change them to be able to get the latest, right ?01:49
thr1ceyeah01:49
blizahlinuxgames.com?01:49
thr1ceok01:49
johnnybezakblizah: yep01:49
thr1ceis there a changelog to see what's new?  or does apt-get update do that?01:49
apokryphosthr1ce: only when a new version of ubuntu is out. Like when a new version of Slackware would be out.01:49
knapjackapokryphos: You can add repositories for unsupported packages, or add Debian source repositories if you want a slightly faster turnaround.01:49
apokryphosthr1ce: for new packages you only need to *update* your sources, and then and then get/install package.01:49
knapjackapokryphos: Case in point: MPEG support.01:49
thr1ceapokryphos, well, slackware is different; I read a changelog every few days, find a mirror, and download the new packs01:50
apokryphosknapjack: of course. :)01:50
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knapjackthr1ce: Compared to that model, ubuntu (and debian) like to keep the same version of the app but patch it for security issues.01:50
apokryphosthr1ce: the whole apt system is not that hard to understand at all, really; I think you'll see entirely what I mean when you try it.01:50
jeff_ok how do i mount an .iso file01:50
knapjackthr1ce: ...until the number of new packages released changes enough to warrant a new release01:51
LoioshUse the gui interface though, Thr1ce, hehe =)01:51
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King_Crimsonok lemme tell you wat happened01:51
LoioshIf you don't want to use the cli apt-get, Synaptec will do the same thing with pretty colors.01:51
DoppelGangerha ha01:51
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knapjackjeff_: Something like 'modprobe loop && mount -o loop -t iso9660 some.iso somemountpoint'01:51
satur_nohelp me01:52
the_grey_ghostMPEG support? How do I play MPEG movies on UBUNTU. NO program has worked for me yet!01:52
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satur_noubuntu italy?01:52
DoppelGangerdove01:52
thr1ceyes, I knwo I can pick it up easy (I suppose starting with slack helped kicked my b utt in terms of learnign things quickly)01:52
mdkeubuntu-it01:52
knapjackthe_grey_ghost: There's an entry in the FAQ.  MPEG is IP-encumbered, so you need to add Someone Else's Repository to get the libraries you need.01:52
satur_nodoppel il canale italiano?01:52
King_Crimson#nvidia01:52
johnnybezakthe_grey_host: google "ubuntu restricted sources"01:53
mdkesatur_no, ubuntu-it01:53
knapjackthe_grey_ghost: But one you have the right libraries, Totem works just fine.01:53
johnnybezakthe_grey_host: google "ubuntu restricted formats"01:53
johnnybezaksorry01:53
jeff_ahh knapjack : when i do that useing sudo first says only root can do that01:53
thr1cethat's how slackware is; -current is updated regularly, until it's new and stable enough for a new release; then its' snapshotted, boxed up and shipped out01:53
satur_nograzie01:53
thr1cejust curious as to if I can do that with ubuntu01:53
knapjackjeff_: Add another sudo in front of mount01:53
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thr1cestay bleeding -edge, and have the latest and greatest01:53
apokryphosthr1ce: it's similar01:53
the_grey_ghost> thanks guys01:53
apokryphosI'll try to explain again ;-)01:53
knapjackjeff_: or now that the loopback module is installed, just sudo mount blah blah blah01:53
thr1ceapokryphos, I pretty much get it...just reading a few mixed remarks01:54
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Cinduxhey all01:54
thr1ceare there ops in here, out of curiousity?01:54
LoioshYes, thrice01:54
thr1ceok :)01:55
Cinduxum i ran visudo to change myself to a sudeor01:55
Cinduxbut i dont know what to do ?01:55
Cinduxat all01:55
LoioshThey just normally don't stay opped01:55
LoioshPrevents msg spamming =)01:55
apokryphosthr1ce: At the moment Warty is the current stable, and Hoary is the current "in developement". Most people (at least as far as I've seen) are running hoary. I do an apt-get dist-upgrade about once a week, and the whole distro is "updated". Bleeding edge, like you say.01:55
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LoioshBleeding edge -Ubuntu- =)01:55
apokryphosThat's why I made the comment that it feels like running OS cvs ;-)01:56
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thr1ceapokryphos, ok...I am making sure that I can run those upgrades regularly; with the gaim example, if a new version is out, I don't want to wait for a new distro release to get the latest Gaim01:56
apokryphosthr1ce: it doesn't work like that at all. Above I'm referring to the "ubuntu-core", not other packages.01:57
LoioshThr1ce: You will still have to wait until Ubuntu gets around to packaging the install though =)01:57
apokryphosto get the latest packages, well, you just apt-get install gaim, and it installs the newest version.01:57
blizahdoes ubuntu (warty) use a fairly new version of wine?01:57
thr1ceand the newest version don't take very long to be released ?  a few days or so ?01:57
LoioshIt depends01:58
thr1celets say major packages01:58
LoioshQuickly for those (like X.org)01:58
thr1cewhat glibc does hoary currently have?01:58
the_grey_ghostAny tips in doing a miniram install?01:58
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the_grey_ghosthas it worked for anyone?01:58
jeff_how would i use mplayer to play a vcd mounted at /mnt/cdrom01:58
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GoneBoBjeff_: unmount it01:59
GoneBoBand run mplayer on the device01:59
thr1ceanyone...?02:00
thr1cedoes hoary have glibc 2.4.5 yet?02:00
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ellsis anyone familiar with acid rip02:00
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apokryphos7thr1ce: sorry, router problems. Wouldn't have got any replies you might have sent..02:01
thr1celol02:01
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thr1ceapokryphos7, can you tell me which glibc is running on hoary currently?02:01
Loiosh<thr1ce> what glibc does hoary currently have?02:01
jbaileyCVS 2.3.2 snapshot from September 2003 + patches.02:01
ellswho here has experience burning dvds02:01
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jeff_gonebob: its a .iso file i have on my hard drive02:02
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soren9580is there a way to include a password in a shell script?02:02
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thr1ceapokryphos, any idea ?02:02
soren9580like, if i want to ssh into a machine, and i just want to put the password in the shell script02:02
soren9580can i do that?02:02
hou5tonif on an istall, grub was put on the wrong drive, is can it be safely moved to the windows drive?   .... or am i looking at a reinstall?02:02
alavistaHi All. Just installed Ubuntu (warty). I am in Synaptic, I click Mark All Upgrades but no packages are marked for installation. What's wrong with this one?02:02
johnnybezaksoren: why dont you just change permissions so you dont need a password02:02
GoneBoBjeff_: simply run mplayer file.iso02:02
apokryphosthr1ce: hmm, glibc... don't know of it02:02
knapjacksoren9580: Depends.  For ssh, you're better off generating keys and using them to auto-login.02:03
thr1ceapokryphos, youc an't compile things without it... :)02:03
jbaileythr1ce: CVS 2.3.2 snapshot from September 2003 + patches.02:03
soren9580i tried that02:03
thr1cejbailey, that's hoary current?02:03
soren9580but i need to get the sysadmin to turn on RSA02:03
apokryphosthr1ce: ahh. not gcc?02:03
soren9580so i can use the keys02:03
jeff_gonebob: its allll messe dup02:03
soren9580because its not working now02:03
knapjacksoren9580: And?02:03
jbaileythr1ce: Yeah.  Basically same as Warty and Debian Sarge.02:03
soren9580so instead, i'd like to just use my password in cleartext02:03
knapjacksoren9580: You can use DSA keys02:04
soren9580cause its only gonna be running on my local machine02:04
soren9580that's what i meant02:04
soren9580DSA02:04
thr1cesee, that's what I'd miss; glibc is currently 2.6.302:04
soren9580he has to enable something in sshd for dsa to work02:04
timsala: need to reload the package list from edit menu02:04
soren9580which he hasn't currently done02:04
ellsanyone here have experience burning dvds02:04
jbaileythr1ce: You're probably looking at glib, not glibc.02:04
thr1cegcc is 2.3.502:04
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thr1ceglibc2 is 2.6.302:04
knapjacksoren9580: There's both RSA and DSA keys.  It may be that only one works on his installation.02:04
soren9580hrm02:05
soren9580how can i tell?02:05
apokryphoserm, gcc here is 3.4.3-902:05
thr1cewhat is hoary current gcc then ?02:05
knapjacksoren9580: It would be worth trying them both.02:05
hou5toni have two harddrives in my laptop .. and on the install, grub was put on the linux hd instead of the windows hd.  Is there a way to safely move it there, or will it require a reinstall?02:05
jbaileythr1ce: Those version numbers you're spitting at are very very wrong...02:05
thr1ced/gcc-3.3.5-i486-1.tgz: Upgraded to gcc-3.3.5.02:05
soren9580can i just use the password in cleartext?02:05
thr1cenope.02:05
apokryphosthr1ce: no wait... it's 3.3.502:05
thr1cel/glib2-2.6.3-i486-1.tgz: Upgraded to glib-2.6.3.02:05
knapjacksoren9580: I think you can do a ssh -v and get debugging messages where it will tell you.02:05
jbaileyRight.  That glib, not glibc.02:05
thr1cejbailey, yes, I corrected myself :P02:06
jbailey=)02:06
thr1ce<thr1ce> glibc2 is 2.6.302:06
jbaileyYou need to drop the 'c' from there. =)02:06
thr1ceso, it seems as though the "cvs" is updated pretty regularly02:06
knapjackthr1ce: Why do you need the latest glibc2?02:06
thr1cejbailey, sorry :(02:06
jbaileythr1ce: Don't be.  I'd just hate for people to be confused.02:06
ellsanyone here burning dvds on ubuntu02:07
blizahwhen in synaptic how to i tell it where to install a package?02:07
knapjackblizah: The package already knows where it should be installed.02:07
knapjackblizah: If you want it installed somewhere else, you would need to recompile it, most likely.02:07
blizahah k02:07
soren9580knapjack, i'm getting debug1: read PEM private key done: type DSA02:08
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knapjacksoren9580: So it sounds like if you generate DSA keys and put them in the right places, you should be set.02:08
soren9580well, i've generated DSA keys02:08
thr1ceis apt-get pretty efficent at removing packages?  like, without leaving files lying around?02:08
soren9580and i've put one in .ssh/authorized_keys202:09
knapjackthr1ce: Very02:09
soren9580on the server02:09
apokryphosthr1ce: heh, naturally :D. It removes the ones it would install.02:09
blizahany reason wine is isntalling in the mplayer folder i just created a little while ago?02:09
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blizahis it supposed to be there?02:09
jbaileythr1ce: "dpkg --purge" is probably the most complete way.02:09
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soren9580and one in .ssh/id_dsa02:09
knapjackthr1ce: There's also a package called debfoster that can remove no-longer-needed dependencies.02:09
soren9580on the local machine02:09
timsexit02:09
knapjackthr1ce: ...to prune the tree.02:09
thr1ce:P02:10
thr1cethe only thing that's holding me back is lack of fluxbox updates...!02:10
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thr1cei'm worried now02:10
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knapjacksoren9580: My man page says to use authorized_keys instead of authorized_keys202:11
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knapjackthr1ce: You can always build and install fluxbox from source and skip the package.02:11
eyequeueknapjack:  2 was used earlier, it's deprecated now, but still sourced for backwards compatibility02:11
thr1ceknapjack, then it's a pain to remove02:12
knapjackeyequeue: Ah, gotcha.  Thanks.02:12
auraxanyone here uses the realtek ALC 860 audio on-board ?02:12
thr1ceand update02:12
soren9580i put the public key on the server and the private key on my machine right?02:12
knapjackthr1ce: I give.  It's easy to update.  If you want to remove it, then why are you worried about it in the first place?02:12
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apokryphosoff to bed now; 'night02:12
thr1cesee ya apokryphos02:13
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thr1ceare non-default ubuntu packs (like fluxbox) maintained regularly ?02:13
cavediverAnyone tried installing oo2 in hoary. I can't install the packages-02:13
cavediverTried openoffice.org2-common, but it fails02:13
soren9580i tried authorized_keys02:14
soren9580no such luck02:14
thr1cehow'd you try to install it?02:14
eyequeuecavediver:  what was the error (don't paste)02:14
soren9580i just think he hasn't got it enabled on the machien02:14
soren9580so how do i do it in cleartext?02:14
jeff_how can i play a .iso file with gxine?02:14
eleazar-hi guys, i have this problem with xmms http://pastebin.com/24987202:15
knapjackthr1ce: Case in point: I *want* (not *need*) the latest bzflag.  There is no package for 2.0 in Warty or Hoary yet.  I added the Debian Unstable repository, did an 'apt-get update && apt-get build-dep bzflag && apt-get -b source bzflag && dpkg -i bzflag*deb' and voila, I'm done, and I have the latest, and it's a package.  No big deal.02:15
LinuxJonesjeff_, usually you need to burn it to dvd or cd02:15
cavedivereyequeue: package is not available, but is referred to by another package--- E: package has no installation candidate02:15
auraxso anyone here uses the realtek ALC 860 audio on-board ... ?02:15
eyequeueknapjack:  you're aware of the dangers with that?02:15
knapjackeyequeue: Such as?02:15
thr1ceknapjack, that was run from the source directory ?02:16
knapjackeyequeue: I'm using the source repository, not the binary.02:16
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eyequeuecavediver:  ah, the pleassures of unstableness, heh ... i'd suggest trying again in a few days, though i don't know specifics about that package02:16
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King_Crimson#nvidia02:16
knapjackthr1ce: yep, run from /usr/src02:16
eleazar-anyone?02:16
thr1cefrom /usr/src...? or the bzflag source02:16
cavedivereyequeue: ohh i see..02:16
cavediverWill try later then02:16
eyequeueknapjack:  deb-src?  yes, probably less risky.  generally mixing debian dna ubuntu packages leads to nothing but headaches, but deb-src, that's probably imune to many of them02:17
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knapjackthr1ce: from /usr/src, because the apt-get commands for building from source will automatically do the right thing.02:17
soren9580so how would i feed the password into the prompt?02:17
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eyequeuesoren9580:  i came in late, is this something i could help with?02:18
eyequeuesoren9580:  what are you trying to accomplish?02:19
optishhow do you get gnome or alsa to remember volume levels after a reboot?02:19
DoppelGangerask it nicely02:20
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eleazar-anyone here had problems running xmms?02:20
drspi1eleazar-: do you have libmikmod installed?02:20
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thr1ceok...thanks for the help; i'll play with this CD for a bit02:21
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kaosI'm tryin to install limewire my intent is to find a repository for synaptic .deb packages and howto run it02:22
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drspinWTF -- I couldn't use my nick...02:23
eleazar-drspil: nope, i just installed it and it work, thx so much02:23
drspineleazar-: Glad I could help!02:23
optishis gnome/alsa suppose to remember the volume levels through a shutdown/reboot or do i have to enable that somehow?02:24
drspinwhy isn't my soundcard working?02:24
thr1ceso xfce 4.2 is in hoary ?02:24
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thr1cedrspin, because you configured it wrong02:24
optishthr1ce, it seems like it...i'm downloading it right now02:24
drspinyes -- so how do i fix it?02:24
drspinLOL ;)02:24
thr1cedid you run alsaconf?02:24
drspinno02:25
thr1ceok...02:25
thr1cerun alsaconf02:25
drspinLOL... ok ;)02:25
LinuxJonesalsaconf is not included in Ubuntu02:25
DoppelGangerhmmm02:26
thr1ce?!02:26
thr1cewow02:26
tckdrspin, try speaker-test in console02:26
LinuxJonesthr1ce, the devs think it's too buggy for inclusion02:26
thr1cesorry02:26
drspinhmmm... K02:26
optishhey guys....is there a option/config to make alsa/gnome remember volume levels each session?02:26
thr1ceis alsamixer included?02:26
thr1celol02:26
optishcause everytime i reboot my volume levels are all muted02:26
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thr1cealter alsamixer02:27
thr1ceand then run alsactrl store02:27
thr1ceunless alsamixer isn't there either02:27
tckit should be02:27
LinuxJonesalsactrl is there02:27
thr1cephew02:27
thr1celol02:27
LinuxJones:D02:27
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thr1cesorry bout the alsaconf02:27
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optishdo i have to run alsactrl store each time?02:28
thr1ceno02:28
tcknope02:28
thr1cestore will store yourt settings and default them02:28
thr1ceman alsactrl for other stuff02:28
bulverseburritohey guys got a question is it possible for me to rn unbuntu on a p 256 with 60mb ram02:28
binomial!rules02:28
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optishseems like alsactrl isnt installed but alsamixer is there02:28
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knapjackbulverseburrito: Barely.  Not really.02:28
GoneBoBbulverseburrito: yes and no02:28
LinuxJonesoptish, gnome should be saving those settings for you if you use the gnome-volume-control02:28
thr1ceoptish, root02:28
GoneBoBmostly no02:28
drspintck: no such file or directory...02:28
kaoshello02:28
knapjackbulverseburrito: I wouldn't recommend it, but there's an Ubuntu Mini-RAM HOWTO02:28
bulverseburritoGoneBoB: why not02:28
optishLinuxJones, i am running it but its not saving it02:29
DoppelGangerbulverseburrito: cause ubuntu is a ram hog02:29
optishmore over it keeps crashing02:29
optishif i open the volume control02:29
LinuxJonesoptish, yikes02:29
LinuxFireCompile alsa into the kernel02:29
optishbut everything works fine02:29
knapjackbulverseburrito: Meaning I would recommend the Mini-RAM if you were going to attempt it, but Nautilus is a RAM hog, and not friendly to older machines.02:29
optishLinuxFire, i want to stay away from compiling my own kernel..want to stick with the stock02:30
tckdrspin, really ?02:30
GoneBoBbulverseburrito: it will 'run'02:30
GoneBoBbut there's not enough ram to run a lot of the GUI stuff02:30
thr1cehow tough is the ubuntu install?  I sorta knwo what I'm doing02:30
bulverseburritook02:30
LinuxJonesbulverseburrito, you might want to try damn small linux on that system02:30
optishso....any ideas on why gnome volume control aint remembering the levels?02:30
thr1cewill it find my slack partition and overwrite it?02:30
drspintck: it says "Sine wave rate is 440.0000Hz"02:30
bulverseburritoyeah i was afraid of that02:31
GoneBoBthr1ce: it's very easy02:31
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drspintck: ten it says Playback Open Error: File Not Found02:31
johnwlittlethr1ce: ive installed it 4 times with zero problems..pretty simple actually02:31
tckwell ur sound card aint working :))02:31
DoppelGangerthr1ce: stick to slack02:31
thr1ce?02:31
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DoppelGangerit will run better than ubuntu02:32
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DoppelGangeroh and bulverseburrito you prob can run slack on thath comp02:32
knapjackDoppelGanger: ...but not the same apps02:32
DoppelGangerinfact i guarantee it02:32
binomialhey, can anyone help me to get ubuntu to recognize my d-link ethernet card?  the install is telling me it can't find the hardware.02:33
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knapjackDoppelGanger: You can run Ubuntu on anything you can run Slackware on, but it's the app combination that matters.  bulverseburrito isn't going to be happy running GNOME 2.x on that box, no matter which distro.02:35
LinuxFireIm just pissed the 2.6.11 kernel broke the nvidia installer02:35
Sk8Phate...02:38
Sk8Phateim having truoble installing ubuntu02:38
binomialthe only other distro i know anything about is Arch, and i don't know much about linux at all.  i couldn't find a modprobe.conf or an rc.conf, so not sure what to do here.02:38
bulverseburritoi'm just pissed i have mental problems :-)02:38
blizahubuntu come w/ any bittorrent clients?02:39
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ellsanyone here familiar with burning dvds in linux02:41
timsgnome bittorrent02:42
kaos I'm tryin to install limewire my intent is to find a repository for synaptic .deb any help is good02:42
ellsagain, is anyone  have experience with burning dvds in linux02:43
OrangeSliceI burn dvds with nautilus02:43
ellscan you walk me thru it02:43
OrangeSlice1.) open nautilus02:43
ellsokay02:44
OrangeSlice2.) type "burn:///" into address02:44
OrangeSlice3.) push enter02:44
kaos I'm tryin to install limewire my intent is to find a repository for synaptic .deb any help is good02:44
ellsokay02:44
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kaos I'm tryin to install limewire my intent is to find a repository for synaptic .deb any help is good02:45
hou5tonis Ubuntu supposed to have a grub.conf file ... ????02:45
ellsOrangeslice, what about it says burn to disc?02:45
ellsOrangeslice, do I need to create iso first02:46
OrangeSliceyou drag the files you want to burn into the window02:46
ellsokay02:46
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kaos I'm tryin to install limewire my intent is to find a repository for synaptic .deb any help is good02:46
kaos I'm tryin to install limewire my intent is to find a repository for synaptic .deb any help is good02:47
kaos I'm tryin to install limewire my intent is to find a repository for synaptic .deb any help is good02:47
ellsOrangeslice, I see that but what about the drive being one and only02:47
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OrangeSlicewhat?02:47
hou5tonhmm ... please ... is Ubuntu supposed to have a grub.conf file?02:47
ellsOrangeslice, will it prompt me to put in a dvd02:48
DoppelGangerwow kaos you go boy02:48
ellsI am on a laptop with just the one drive02:48
OrangeSliceI don't know, I always put my disc in beforehand02:48
ellsI will try and see02:48
blizahare tgz, deb, and rpm all diff package types?02:48
OrangeSliceyes02:48
blizahand for ubuntu id want deb?02:49
OrangeSliceyes02:49
blizahor tgz?02:49
blizahk tnx02:49
DoppelGangerhe eh02:49
hou5tonhey ... can someone at least let me know that my messages are coming through?02:50
Xenguyhou5ton: hello world :-)02:50
DoppelGangerhou5ton: your messages are not coming thru02:50
hou5tonwhew ...02:50
hou5ton:)02:50
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hou5tonhmm ... please ... is Ubuntu supposed to have a grub.conf file?02:50
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binomiali know what driver i'm supposed to install my ethernet card, i just need help with what to put where.02:51
ellsOrangeSlice: it kind of locks up, what tools do I need for this process02:51
hou5ton i know i have a /boot/grub/menu.lst .... I'm not understanding how it goes together02:52
auraxso anyone here uses the realtek ALC 860 audio on-board ... ?02:52
auraxi just want to know if ubuntu will support it02:52
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DoppelGangerwell from bulverseburrito problem i would say nope02:54
DoppelGangerthen again i am lying02:54
johnnybezakhey guys what is a dangling symlink02:55
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Xenguyjohnnybezak: a symlink that points to nothing02:55
eleazar-anyone knows how can i access my windows partition without being root (mostly with xmms)?02:55
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Xenguyjohnnybezak: you can verify by doing -> ls -l <symlink>02:56
johnnybezakchange the owner of your windows partiotion to you02:56
johnnybezakXenguy: cool i am just getting mail from cron telling me about it, does it really matter?02:56
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elmmount -t vfat -o uid=1000,gid=1000 /dev/hdaX /media/windows02:56
Xenguyjohnnybezak: it's not a problem, but if you verify the symlink points to nothing (see above), then you can safely delete it to 'cleanup'.02:57
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johnnybezakXenguy: ok thanks02:57
Xenguyjohnnybezak: yw02:57
skel_homeanyone using the amd64 version of ubuntu (warty) experiencing problems with firefox?02:57
Sk8Phateproblem solved :)02:59
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eruineleazar-:fstab: /dev/hdXX       /media/windows     vfat    users,umask=000                 0       003:00
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eleazar-eruin: my hda is in ntfs03:01
eleazar-eruin: i should change vfat for ntfs right?03:01
eruinyeah03:02
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skel_homeanyone know if there's any plan to update firefox for warty? to 1.0.1 ?03:03
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skel_homeI figured that'd be covered in the security updates03:03
skel_homebut not as of yet03:03
eruinskel_home: not even hoary has that yet03:03
blizahcan i install tar.gz files on ubuntu?03:03
eruinblizah: you don't install tar.gz files in general :P03:03
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eruinbut sure03:04
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blizahoh heh03:04
blizahok03:04
skel_homeeruin: know any reason why? just maintainer swamped or something?03:04
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eruinI'd remove the ubuntu package first though, if you've got the program installed already03:04
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eruinskel_home: probably.. I think they discussed it in ubuntu-dev the other day but I forgot what was said ;-)03:04
larsson_When i watch videos through tv-out, im getting "tearing" in the picture so i need some good video drivers. Any ideas?03:05
skel_homeeruin: okie ty =] 03:05
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hou5tonby the way ... I finally found the answer in the Gentoo channel .... Ubuntu does NOT have a grub.conf file ...03:06
DoppelGangereheh03:06
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eruinubuntu has menu.lst03:06
eruin:P03:06
DoppelGangerblind leading the blind03:06
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larsson_Is anyone using tv-out here?03:06
YomicIs it possible to run ROSE online in Linux?03:07
larsson_To watch videos.03:07
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bmbet1Hey.  I just installed Warty and when I logged in there was a X bang centre of screen, but not on the desktop, couldn't figure how to get rid of it, then it just disappeared after I started X-Chat. WTF?03:09
YomicSo no one here knows if it is possible to run ROSE in Linux?03:09
eleazar-eruin: thx you it worked03:09
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hou5tonwhat is the purpose of the line "savedefault" in menu.lst ... under the windows boot options?03:10
eruineleazar-: I hear ntfs write support is still kind of experimental though :->03:11
ellsusing acid rip it says I need mencoder. I have mplayer, would I automoatically have acidrip03:11
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ellsit with acidrip03:11
eleazar-anyone here has tried to install the nvidia drivers in hoary?03:11
eruineleazar-: yeh03:11
hou5tonwhat is the purpose of the line "savedefault" in menu.lst ... under the windows boot options?03:12
eleazar-eruin: i did everything (apt-get the nvidia-kernel-common and nvidia-glx, modprobe nvidia, change the X11 config file) and still i dont get acceleration =/03:13
eruineleazar-: using the offical drivers though03:13
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eleazar-eruin: and you didnt have any problems with the official drivers?03:13
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eruineleazar-: sudo nvidia-glx-config enable03:14
eruindone that?03:14
eruineleazar-: no03:14
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eleazar-ok, lemme restart the X03:14
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LinuxJoneseruin, are you sure that your not still running xserver-xfree86 ?03:16
YomicIs it possible to run ROSE online in Linux?03:16
LinuxJonesYomic, what is that ?03:16
eruinLinuxFire: lol03:16
eruinI've never had xserver-xfree8603:16
YomicA windows based MMORPG (Massively Multiplayer Online Roleplaying Game)03:17
LinuxJoneseruin, is there an XF86Config-4 file in your /etc/X11/ directory ?03:17
eruinno03:17
eruinas I said, I've never had xfree on this install :P03:17
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LinuxJoneseruin, well most peopel upgrade from warty03:17
eruinme too, but I never had it install X ;)03:18
FrodoI upgraded from Warty03:18
eleazar-eruin well i dont know if it works.. but it didnt show the NVIDIA logo when it started03:18
LinuxJoneseruin, ahh03:18
eruina package named "seb" horribly stopped me03:18
eruin:P03:18
eruinsed maybe03:18
eruineleazar-: what does glxgears give you if run from an x terminal?03:18
LinuxJoneseruin, i get 170003:19
eleazar-glx missing on display ":0."03:19
LinuxJoneseruin, with a crappy GF2MX03:19
eruinehehe03:19
LinuxJoneseruin, there you go03:19
YomicWell if nobody knows about ROSE; are there any good games for Linux (preferably RPG)03:19
Yomic?*03:20
LinuxJoneseruin, you don't have them installed properly03:20
eruindon't worry... 2600 here with a gffx560003:20
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eruinLinuxFire: I do ;-P03:20
eruinLinuxFire: I run accelerated games like bf1942 through cedega03:20
eruincan't do that without properly installed nvidia drivers I'm afraid :P03:21
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eruineleazar-: humm, I'm not familiar with using the ubuntu package for it03:21
DoppelGangerpoor LinuxFire always getting the blame for ppl not tab completeing properly03:21
eruineleazar-: I just got the drivers off nvidia.com, apt-get installed linux-headers-k7 and installed the driver03:22
LinuxFireeruin that would be LinuxJones mot I03:22
LinuxJonesor linuxboy03:22
eruinstop having similar names you bastards!03:22
eruin:p03:22
DoppelGangerhow about linuxgirl03:22
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DoppelGangeri wanna be linuxgirl03:22
eleazar-ok, eruin thx anyway you're a great helper.. ill try that03:22
phateI want a linuxgirl03:23
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eruineleazar-: might wanna dpkg --purge nvidia-glx first03:23
phateWho wouldn't ;D03:23
StoffBox-Steve ;)03:23
eruinand replace linux-headers-k7 with whatever flavour you're running ;-)03:23
eleazar-eruin: my processor is an athlon, what headers are good for me?03:24
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bulverseburritoha ha03:25
bulverseburritobetter than a fat cat03:25
StoffBox-Steve:)03:26
eleazar-eruin: the k7 ones will work fine with me?03:27
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dottedlineI let synaptic update ubuntu-base on my PC, and now I have an empty ubuntu UI - that happen to anyone else?03:28
StoffBox-Steve*GG* this is so funny, i have a B/W Pic here, windows/Photoshop shows the tumb in color .. but when you open it its B/W ...03:29
eruineleazar-: yes :)03:29
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eruindottedline: nope, not here03:30
KraelocHowdy.03:30
dottedlineeruin: I don't have a clue03:31
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TerminXperhaps someone can help me with this problem that just popped up.. one of my panels detached, and won't reattach to the bottom where it goes.. it's not a drawer/child panel, either, it's just a normal panel and now it's floating03:31
dottedlineI am sure glad I can use the console...03:31
DoppelGangeroh no the world is gonna end03:32
TerminXah, "expand" checkbox.. must've gotten reset when the panel crashed ;)03:32
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Sk8Phatehmmm. does anyone know how to set up USB internet on ubuntu03:36
KraelocI don't have any problems yet, but the Aptiva I just installing warty on is hateful and cranky, so I expect some soon.03:37
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kaoshas anybody found an answer to how I install Limewire03:37
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jesuelKraeloc: my laptop is cranky too.03:38
otterithello..has anyone used an atmel wireless device and ndiswrapper?03:39
BenoniWhere would I find the Kerberos 5 command line tools (e.g. "kinit") for Ubuntu Hoary?03:39
dottedlineeruin: it looks like my gnome desktop is somehow corrupted, at least the panels are.  I will figure it out eventually.03:40
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KraelocOk....03:40
otterit* sigh * no wireless users with an atmel chipset?03:40
JDahlbenoni, (as allways): apt-cache search kerberos03:40
BenoniJDahl: Right, that's where I am looking.  All I see are libraries and development packages.  Nothing that looks like user command-line tools.03:42
KraelocI have a Mac with a USB to Serial adapter plugged in to my PC running Warty via DB9, and the PC is connected to my router via standard 100MBPS ethernet. I need the PC with Warty to be act as a router. Who can help? /msg, please.03:42
kaosplease can somebody help find an anwser to how I install 'Limewire'?03:42
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_phate_what is the package tree for Ubuntu so out of date?03:42
JDahlBenoni, I would look at krb5-user03:42
KraelocAnybody?03:42
BenoniJDahl, I see no package named "krb5-user" in the Ubuntu Hoary package list.03:43
KraelocShall I repeat my question, or give up?03:43
Benoni(Which is why I'm a bit puzzled, because that's where I expected to find it.)03:43
JDahlBenoni, I use Warty.. do you have universe and multiverse enabled?03:43
_phate_Kraeloc: IPtables?03:43
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Kraeloc_phate_, what about them?03:44
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KraelocRather, what are they/it?03:44
BenoniJDahl, I've just come over from Fedora-land.  Can you explain further what you mean by universe & multiverse, and what it means to enable them?03:44
KraelocEven a link to a nice tutorial would suffice,03:45
_phate_they are a way of specifing where certain IP traffic goes03:45
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_phate_try googling for one03:45
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LinuxJonesBenoni, universe and multiverse are repositories with a very large amount of unsupported software03:46
JDahlKraeloc, I think you can safely assume that if noone answers your question, it's because we dont know...03:46
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netpuppychecking how to run the C++ preprocessor... /lib/cpp03:46
netpuppyconfigure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check03:46
KraelocOk.03:46
netpuppywhy the hell does it try to use /lib/cpp?03:46
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LinuxJonesBenoni, things like fluxbox and xfce and tons of other stuff like fonts..etc03:47
KraelocWell, I guess I figured a channel named #ubuntu with nearly 400 people in it would have someone who could help.03:47
netpuppyI have a cpp binary in /usr/bin03:47
KraelocMy bad.03:47
BenoniLinuxFire: OK, cool.  Sounds like just what I need.03:47
JDahlBenoni, you need to enable additional repositories... use either Synaptic, or directly edit /etc/apt/sources.list03:47
_phate_Kraeloc: sorry03:47
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_phate_I'm a n00b to a good extent03:47
LinuxJonesBenoni, most user enable universe at least like 15000 packages available03:47
KraelocNot a problem, there's some helpfulk things at tldp.org03:47
LinuxJoneserrr users03:48
BenoniJDahl, understood.  I am familiar with apt repository configuration.  All I need is the URLs.  Do you have those handy?03:48
KraelocToodles,03:48
larsson_Hi, when using vidix and tv-out everything looks good on my monitor but on my TV the xine window is pink. Any ideas? Cause im all out.03:48
JDahlBenoni, just add "universe multiverse" to the end of every line with "hoary"03:48
DoppelGangerman no one can tab complete LinuxFire03:48
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LinuxJonesBenoni, check out www.ubuntuguide.org it has lots of great stuff for the new Ubuntu user03:48
BenoniJDahl: Oh, I see.  So these are different sections of the official distribution, not completely different repositories on some other server somewhere.03:49
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aviroxhi, i have a question03:50
BenoniLinuxJones: OK, thanks for the pointer.  Reading....03:50
LinuxJones;)03:50
aviroxafter i use dpkg in the shell window03:50
aviroxwhere do programs install to?03:50
aviroxUnpacking winesetuptk (from winesetuptk_0.7-1.1_i386.deb) ...03:50
aviroxSetting up winesetuptk (0.7-1.1) ...03:50
aviroxand that's it..03:50
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JDahlBenoni, yes.. I doubt you will ever need unofficial repositories03:50
larsson_What are ,deb-source good for?03:51
usualcan someone ban Crissy^^?03:51
larsson_I mean, does apt compile it for me?03:51
LinuxJonesavirox, you can use the whereis command to find programs like whereis mozilla-firefox03:51
BenoniJDahl & LinuxJones, thank you very much for your help.  I should be good to go from here.03:51
LinuxJonesBenoni, gl you will love Ubuntu :)03:51
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usualCrissy^^ is doing onjoin porn msg's03:52
BenoniActually, one last question beore I go.  What's the difference between "universe" and "multiverse"?03:52
GoneBoBuniverse is everything that's not ubuntu main03:52
JDahlusual, cant you use /ignore?03:52
_phate_way is the package tree for ubuntu so out of date? FireFox 1.0 has been around for awhile, yet Ubuntu only has FF 0.9.3, what gives?03:52
GoneBoBmultiverse is packages with questionable legality03:52
BenoniGoneBoB: heh.  Got it.  Thanks.03:53
GoneBoB_phate_: that was current when warty was released03:53
JDahland there's also a "restricted" repository03:53
utsav_phate  use Hoary .. It's stable and has all the l8st03:53
utsavI'm on it right now03:53
utsavIt's gr8 stuff03:53
_phate_GoneBoB: How can a package have questionable legality?03:53
GoneBoB_phate_: quite easily.. for example mplayer03:54
usualJDahl, does that solve the problem?03:54
eruinby including packages that are illegal under some jurisdictions03:54
utsavspecifically w32codecs03:54
eruinlike american03:54
JDahl_phate_, warty only receives security updates03:54
_phate_utsav: I though Hoary was still in beta03:54
GoneBoB_phate_: it is03:54
aviroxlinuxjones i still cant find it :/03:54
GoneBoBhowever you can use it if you wish03:54
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utsavIt is... but It doesn;t feel like beta03:54
eruin_phate_: it's in freeze03:54
utsavIt's going to be released next month03:54
utsavso it's pretty good right now03:54
eruin_phate_: so pretty stable03:54
BenoniGood high-level description of main/restricted/universe/multiverse: <http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components>03:54
aviroxroot@ubuntu:/ # whereis wine*03:54
aviroxwine*:03:54
aviroxand thats it03:55
LinuxJonesavirox, did you install wine ?03:55
utsavHaven't had a single hickup.. in fact. no hickups03:55
aviroxi installed the tar gz of cedega03:55
NobleArcwhat version of X-Chat is in Hoary?  The one in Warty pains me. :003:55
aviroxand i use dpkg on winesetupTK03:55
aviroxI'm looking for winesetuptk03:55
eruincan you use * in whereis?03:55
aviroxbut i cannot find it03:55
eruinI dont think you can03:55
aviroxeruin u can03:55
LinuxJonesavirox, wine is in the universe repository, you can use apt-get/synaptic to installit03:55
aviroxi just tried it03:55
aviroxit found my other files03:55
eruinhmm yeah03:56
BenoniNobleArc, I just installed Hoary and am using X-Chat 2.4.1.03:56
NobleArcah, good. Thanks.03:56
aviroxjones: it's nto in mine03:56
aviroxatleast not in the gui03:56
aviroxheh03:56
utsavI have a quick question.. I want to compile a vanilla ubuntu kernel.. How should I go about getting the source?03:56
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LinuxJonesavirox, you need to enable universe go here an look for adding repositories >> www.ubuntuguide.org03:57
aviroxi know how to add repositories03:57
LinuxJonesutsav, you need to search for linux-source03:57
aviroxhmm but this universe thing03:58
aviroxill check that out :o03:58
JDahlutsav, kernel-source03:58
GoneBoButsav: there is a package for the source, I would not recommend compiling your own kernel03:58
LinuxJonesavirox, ok just add universe and in synaptic click reload then search for wine03:58
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aviroxaaaand ubuntu is freezing on me again03:58
LinuxJonesBenoni, universe is awesome :)03:58
utsavGoneBob : thanks for the concern. but I'm from gentooland03:59
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aviroxhttp://www.ubuntuguide.org/ isnt loading for me03:59
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utsavI actually just want to apply a silly patch for my touchpad03:59
BenoniThanks again, JDahl & LinuxJones!04:00
aviroxbrb n thanks jones04:00
avirox:P04:00
LinuxJonesavirox, have fun :)04:00
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pugiohello, I will now render the classic and most common phrase used here04:01
pugio"HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLP"04:01
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pugiogood, now. I am having the weiredes problem I've ever seen in Warty04:02
pugioI had a friend who started up the worms game (at least, that's what he thinks the last thing is he did) and all of a sudden a bunch of programs disappeared04:02
pugiothose programs were gdm and some other pieces of gnome04:02
pugioso now, the user couldn't log in normally, AND gnome isn't working correctly04:03
_phate_After reading http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components, I take it Ubuntu is sticking to the Debian philosophy04:03
pugiogiving errors like "Failed to execute /usr/lib/control-center/gnome-settings-daemon04:03
utsavsilly question:   so is the kernel-source package just the stock linux kernel.. or will it give me a ubuntu kernel.. Do I have to find any ubuntu patches and apply those?04:03
pugio(no such file or directory)04:03
JDahlpugio, look at /var/log/gdm*04:04
pugiook, but it uninstalled gdm04:04
pugioI had to reinstall it04:04
pugiothis is the second time it happended, but the first time only gdm was affected, and not other parts of gnome04:04
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JDahlpugio, gdm was uninstalled by a crashing program?04:04
LinuxJonesutsav, the ubuntu source will have ubuntu patches04:04
pugioJDahl:  that's what it looks like (or for some other reason) as well as other parts of gnome04:05
JDahlpugio, I flat out refuse to believe that a package can be uninstalled by a crashing program04:06
LinuxJonesutsav, why are you compiling the kernel ?04:06
pugioJDahl: well, then HOW did that happen?04:06
pugioJDahl: now I have no idea how to fix it.... is there some way to redo gnome?04:06
pugiofor instance, the settings daemon isn't there (/usr/lib/control-center/gnome-settings-daemon04:07
JDahlpugio, what does "dpkg -l gdm" tell you?04:07
pugiowell, seeing as how I just "apt-get install gdm"'d04:07
pugioDesired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold04:08
pugio| Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed04:08
pugio|/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)04:08
pugio||/ Name                                  Version                               Description04:08
pugio+++-=====================================-=====================================-==========================================================================================04:08
pugioii  gdm                                   2.6.0.3-1ubuntu20                     GNOME Display Manager04:08
pugiowooooooops04:08
pugiosorry everyone04:08
pugioanyway, there it is04:08
JDahlpugio, try to make the problem happen again, then look at the logs and try "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart"04:09
pugioJDahl: right, well, this problem occured once before, and I'm telling you - GDM DID NOT EXIST04:10
pugioseriously, one minute it was there04:10
pugiothe next, the /usr/bin/gdm was gone04:10
pugionot even an error log04:10
pugiozip zilch nadda04:10
pugioit was gone, I had to reinstall it04:11
pugioanyway, I'm still having issues with Gnome04:11
pugiois there any way to reset that?04:11
JDahlpugio, what problems? one thing that often bugged me is that .ICEauthority got wrong permissions if gnome crashed04:12
Sk8Phatedoes anyone know how to get a USB DSL modem to work with ubuntu?04:12
pugioJDahl:  when I try to start gdm, it works fine (now) but when I log in I get a brown screen with only a single program started04:12
pugiothere are no menus, top or bottom, only a brown screen and a single program04:13
JDahlpugio, killall gnome-panels04:13
pugioadditionally, the error message "Failed to execute /usr/lib/control-center/gnome-settings-daemon (No such file or directory)04:13
utsavLinuxJones Once I saw that with an alps patch, my touchpad could have circular scrolling, I decided it's amust do04:13
pugioand.... it's right, /usr/lib/control-center/ does NOT exist04:13
pugioJDahl:  that 'killall' responded with "gnome-panels: no process killed"04:14
LinuxJonesutsav, nice04:14
utsavLinuxJones  Hopefully my last question.. I've got all the patches applied now.. I was just wondering if I can use an existing kernel config from ubuntu04:14
_phate_how would I install Xfce?04:15
utsavInstead of having to figure out what to install or not to install04:15
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pugioin fact, JDahl  the message I am gettting is this: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=5649355&forum_id=471404:15
utsavI think xfce is in universe04:15
LinuxJonesutsav, yeah it's in /boot/04:15
pugioJDahl:  while I'm running a normal Ubuntu system on x86, the message in the top thread is what pops up when I log in and get the blank brown screen04:15
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_phate_so just 'sudo apt-get install xfce'? Then how do I set it up so I can use it?04:16
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LinuxJonesutsav, just copy it over to /usr/src/linux and make your changes and your good to go04:16
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LinuxJonesutsav, of course you will have to rename it04:16
JDahlpugio, I am sort of clueless... but if you can reproduce the error and document that part of gnome gets uninstalled you need to file a bugreport.. if nothing works, you can purge everything related to gnome and reinstall it, to get a clean slate04:17
pugioJDahl: will that work ok with Ubuntu? will everything be configured properly (the full re-install that is)04:17
JDahlpugio, yes... it's general frawned upon but occasionally you just want to get rid of all debconf info and started over.. use dpkg --purge for that04:18
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Sk8Phatedoes anyone know how to get a USB DSL modem to work with ubuntu?04:19
maximaus_phate_, just install xfce, log out, kill gdm with crl alt backspace, and choose xfce in the login manager.04:19
tux_hey, I just heard from a friend's 8 year old... he's using Ubuntu on his laptop - the kid is04:19
tux_and loves it04:20
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maximausmy 13 and 15 y/o cousins in Sweden use it, and we know how finicky teenagers are. LOL04:20
NobleArc-_-04:20
NobleArc*is 15*04:20
pugioJDahl: and the command for that would be...... dpkg --purge gnome? and apt-get install gnome ?04:21
maximausand sensitive too.04:21
maximaus:P04:21
NobleArcbah!04:21
NobleArc=(04:21
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NobleArcYou just made my list!04:21
NobleArc...of people who have made a fool of me on freenode. o_O04:21
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YomicHow do you run a .run file? (It is an istallation package)04:22
LinuxJonesYomic, sh whatever.bin04:22
YomicBut it's a .run file04:23
LinuxJonesYomic, you might need root priviliges tho04:23
JDahlpugio, try "dpkg --purge gdm gnome", "apt-get install gdm gnome"... you might need to need to add --force to the dpkg command04:23
NobleArcsh whatever.run :P04:23
LinuxJonesYomic, that's ok04:23
YomicOkay ;P04:23
pugioJDahl: ok thanks04:23
YomicThanks ;)04:23
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LinuxJonesYomic, sorry too much vodka :P04:23
_phate_How do I setup a printer in Ubuntu?04:23
_phate_never mind04:23
_phate_its under system config04:24
YomicNo problem :P04:24
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aluserI like the near-hourly updates to hoary04:30
the_grey_ghostanyone using a low end pc there04:30
dinetwath packages are needed for compiling on a ubuntu-system?04:31
JDahldinet, build-essential is an easy way to get it04:31
LinuxJonesdinet, install build-essential04:31
dinetoh04:32
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JDahlthe_grey_ghost, I am using a P3-1GHz, 256MB ram04:32
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the_grey_ghostjdahl I'm after lower then that. Having trouble with Miniram install04:32
the_grey_ghostGot Ubuntu going on my 400 MHZ 192mb ram04:33
the_grey_ghostBut need to go lower04:33
pugiohey, does anyone here have a "/usr/lib/control-center/" direcotry in their ubuntu install?04:34
JDahlpugio, yes.04:35
pugioJDahl: AH HAH, well, mine isn't there04:35
pugioJDahl: as I said, parts of the install just disappeared!04:35
maximausJDahl, I wish I'd known about build-essential a few weeks ago--is it a standard metapackage for all Debian distros?04:35
JDahlmaximaus, I think it's Ubuntu specific... Debian used to have a task package called "software development" or something like that04:36
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aluserbuild-essential is wonderful04:37
redissexyindeed04:37
YomicI just got an error while installing a game:04:37
Yomictommy@TommyCockrell:~ $ sh PlaneShift_CBV0.3.007-1.x86.run04:37
YomicVerifying archive integrity... All good.04:37
YomicUncompressing Planeshift Crystal Blue..........................04:37
Yomic/home/tommy/.setup6719: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory04:37
maximausa smart package, I'll turn my converts on to it. :D04:37
YomicCan anyone help?04:37
JDahlpugio, "dpkg -S /usr/lib/control-center" shows that capplets provides the directory04:37
pugio"dpkg: /usr/lib/control-center not found." JDahl04:38
JDahlpugio, so your capplet is probably not there :S04:38
pugiowell, I don't have the GNOME Control Center installed04:39
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pugioit says "rc" next to it's list in dpkg -l, what does that mean?04:39
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_phate_I'm reading the Ubuntu FAQ, what the heck is ment by the question: "What happens with the version number in 2100?"04:40
JDahlYomic, you probably need libgtk1.2-dev04:41
YomicHow would I go about getting that?04:42
maximausYomic, open up Synaptic and have a search04:42
JDahlpugio, c means removed but not purged (config files are still there), Try purge capplets04:42
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maximausor just "sudo apt-get install libgtk1.2-dev"04:42
zenroxwhoops04:43
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Yomicapt-get, alright04:43
YomicThanks.04:43
pugioJDahl: well, I did "apt-get install gnome-control-center" - as that also mysteriously got uninstalled04:43
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pugioJDahl: which leads me to the issue of WHY do random parts keep disappearing???04:44
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JDahlpugio, it's weird indeed... are you out of diskspace?04:45
pugioJDahl: not in the least04:45
pugiothings just DISAPEAR04:45
pugioand not in a random way too, when something disappears, the entire package disappears all otgehter04:46
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JDahlpugio, I am afraid this is out of my league... maybe you could try asking jdub next time he is around (provided the problem is gnome related)04:47
pugioalrighty04:48
JDahlpugio, to temporarily fix things, you could just install fluxbox...04:49
pugioheh heh04:49
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pugiounfortunately, my buddies who use it wouldn't like that, they're new to linux and I told them it was less buggy than windows04:49
maximausor XFCE or post a query to http://ubuntuforums.org/04:49
JDahlpugio, if you'd installed Warty it would be :P04:50
maximausI wouldn't say it's less buggy, but it's more stable. :P04:50
maximausI <3 Warty.04:50
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phesterhello04:56
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ellsis anyone familiar on how I can get transcode and get it installed04:57
ellsapt-get wont do it04:57
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thierryI'd like to fix ubuntu bug 3176 but I don't know where to make the changes in the firefox source... any ideas?04:58
phesterI can't install gpp with apt-get, it can't find the package!04:59
ellsyou know, i am so pissed about acid rip and some packages not working, I think I might just go ahead and put debian on here04:59
phesterwhat to do?04:59
phesterhehe05:00
JDahlphester, Isnt it called g++?05:00
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phesterJDahl, I don't know, my friend told me gpp05:01
phesterI'l test!05:01
_phate_Any idea how to setup a HP PSC 1315v? I can't get it to work as a postscript printer so I'm assuming its not one05:02
ellsis anyone familiar on how I can get transcode and get it installed05:02
phesterJDahl, It did the trick!!05:04
_phate_ells: whats transcode?05:04
phesterthank you!!05:04
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ellsit is necessary to install dvd rip and use acid rip05:04
ellsit wont install thru apt get05:04
ellsit says it is a broken package05:05
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_phate_it might be in either universe or multiverse05:05
ellsI have tried that05:06
Levandercan someone tell me how to change my domain name?05:06
ells_phate, can you burn dvds05:06
NobleArcscower the web for a .deb of transcode? o_O05:06
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pussfellerLevander, you mean in /etc/hostname?05:15
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haydenhi05:17
_phate_GAH! FireFox keeps crashing! Stupid old version...05:18
haydenis kde of gnome better?05:19
NobleArccan't..stand..0.9.3..05:19
NobleArcneed..1.0.1...05:19
_phate_if it wasn't for the fact that ubuntu desktop requires it, i'd just apt-get remove it,05:19
_phate_same here05:19
NobleArcOh well.05:20
NobleArcI just have to wait another month. >.<05:20
haydenupdate to hoary05:20
NobleArcwaiting for Hoary to be released, heh.05:20
haydenat least u get to firefox 1.0 then05:20
_phate_I ain't waiting I'm dling the binary from mozilla.org right now05:20
NobleArcI'm too lazy.  For the first time ever, both Unreal Tournament 2004 and Counter-Strike -- cedega -- work in Linux.  They never, EVER have both before.  I always had one or the other.  I'm not messing with it.05:20
_phate_NobleArc: Thats why you dualboot Ubuntu and Win2k (on a 4GB partition)05:22
NobleArceh.05:22
NobleArcI don't like Windows. -_-05:22
NobleArchaven't booted into it in about six days now.05:22
_phate_I also believe that there is a UT2k4 binary for linux05:22
NobleArcI'm using the UT2K4 Linux binary,05:22
NobleArcbut CS is through Steam with Cedega.05:22
NobleArcEither UT2K4 or Cedega would work, in every distro I ever used -- 'cept Debian, neither with it, although I love Debian. =\05:22
NobleArcNever both, 'til now.  I will /not/ touch it. :P05:23
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_phate_Steam? On Linux? Thats just bad taste!05:23
NobleArclol.05:24
NobleArcI could live without Steam, but I love CS.05:24
_phate_leave the crap on windows.05:24
NobleArcnot as much as UT2K4 of course. :005:24
_phate_I thought CS didn't need steam to play online05:24
NobleArcOh it does.05:24
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NobleArcCS needs Steam to play at all. :005:24
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GoneBoB_phate_: oh yes05:24
GoneBoBno steam no play05:25
NobleArc=\05:25
_phate_speaking of that CS sucks egg next to Halo 2 and Xbox Live05:25
_phate_thats just stupid05:25
NobleArcI bought a cruddy $15 (CDN) version of Blue-Shift a while back, just so I could play CS on Steam.05:25
OrangeSliceHalo 2 without xbox live isn't worth owning, however.05:25
NobleArcI've not yet played Halo 2.05:25
NobleArcI played the original Halo and loved it, but I like UT2K4 more.05:25
OrangeSliceit's too much trouble to get 16 people in a game under one roof, though we did it once :p05:26
_phate_OrangeSlice: Now thats just BS05:26
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haydenHalo and UT are totally different05:26
GoneBoBI have an xbox a PC and a PS2 and I'll take the PS2 over the xbox anyday05:26
GoneBoBin any case, this is somewhat offtopic05:26
NobleArcheh, yeah.05:26
OrangeSlicethere is no topic :p05:26
NobleArcIt's all my fault. :005:26
haydenGoneBoB: you must love playing with yourself alot then05:26
NobleArcThe official topic is .. uh.. 'Give NobleArc money.'05:26
GoneBoBhayden: I use my PC to play multiplayer games05:27
coronergoto love the xbox's networking/modding capabilities tho05:27
OrangeSliceactually, it's "Send me a birthday present"05:27
_phate_Meh, its not like anyone was talking about anything else05:27
Coilydoes anyone know of a wine monitoring program. im fiddling around with some installs but the only thing i can think of is to compare with fresh wine install05:27
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_phate_coroner: I concor with that05:27
NobleArcThe people here can't spell.  It's like a rule or something. :005:28
OrangeSliceI pride myself in my spelling abilities.05:29
NobleArcWell, good for you.  You're fine.05:29
NobleArcMust..do..all..I..can..to..avoid..correcting..everyone's..grammar!05:29
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NobleArcWell, not everyone's.05:29
haydenis there a way to run a batch of command line things just by executing 1 file?05:31
OrangeSliceshell script05:31
_phate_I think thats called scripting? Might just be me...05:31
DeFi[gsr-pro] yea its called a batch script oddly enough :P05:31
_phate_:D05:32
haydenhow do i do it05:32
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haydennot too quick to answer now05:34
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hayden?05:39
NobleArc*clears throat*05:41
crimsunhayden: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO.html05:42
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johnnybezakhayden: the guide on BASH is better writen, and more thorough so check that out too (its also on tldp.org, under guides)05:44
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haydenok thanks05:45
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netpuppyerr... why can't rhythmbox play mp3's by default on ubuntu?05:47
pvhHoary's giving me no love on the updates -- lots of packages with status "failed" on the download. Whut up?05:47
GoneBoBnetpuppy: because mp3 is patented05:47
crimsunnetpuppy: because the patent situation is ambiguous05:47
pvhnetpuppy: Enable universe. I'd recommend you install amarok while you're at it.05:47
pvhnetpuppy: Because amarok, if you have a biggish collection, is the best damn MP3 player I've ever used.05:48
netpuppythen how about microsoft ttf fonts?05:48
NobleArcThose were released by Microsoft. o_O05:48
johnnybezakwhats amarok like?05:50
crimsunamarok has a very interesting approach to "playlists"05:50
crimsunnetpuppy: enable multiverse and install msttcorefonts05:51
netpuppymultiverse? :)05:51
eruinwow05:51
eruinnautilus really loves being SLOW and eating RESOURCES when firefox is downloading alot :P05:51
bob2netpuppy: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto05:52
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pvhjohnnybezak: Amarok... Well, where can I begin.05:53
_phate_how do I link to things? I have a partition (/stuff) how do I make a link to it in may home folder?05:53
pvhjohnnybezak: It's a bit like iTunes in terms of immediate interface.05:53
Brunellushelp--I accidentally moved the top taskbar thing to the right-hand side (gnome) and I don't know how to move it back?05:53
pvhjohnnybezak: Most of the screen is taken up by the playlist that's on right now.05:53
errrhow do I add another WM to my GDM list? I installed fluxbox and followed the directions here: http://fluxbox.org/docs/en/faq.php#gdm but that didnt work. any ideas what I need to do?05:54
pvhjohnnybezak: The left hand side of the screen displays contextual information in a sidebar.05:54
kurros_phate_: middle click-drag in nautilus and select create link05:54
netpuppyBrunellus, gconf-editor05:54
netpuppyerrr, make an entry in /usr/share/xsessions05:54
pvhjohnnybezak: The "currently playing" tab has information about the song, other albums by that artist,05:54
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guestishhi05:54
errrnetpuppy: oh ok thanks05:55
netpuppyerrr, you could use Gnome as a template05:55
guestishhow similar is ubtuntu to debian?05:55
pvhjohnnybezak: The best part (I think) is how tightly it's integrated into Audioscrobbler.05:55
netpuppyguestish, very05:55
johnnybezakpuh: cool mb i'll have a look, i'm using rhythmbox which isnt bad05:55
netpuppyguerby, except up-to-date05:55
_phate_now how do I set permissions for a partition?05:55
johnnybezakpvh: whats Audioscrobbler?05:55
guestishmore up to date then sid?05:55
Brunellusnetpuppy: that doesn't help me05:55
netpuppyI think so05:55
Brunelluswhat am I supposed to do?05:55
netpuppyBrunellus, why not?05:55
pvhjohnnybezak: It's the coolest thing in the world.05:55
guestishreally? i thought ubuntu got their packages from sid05:55
pvhjohnnybezak: They collect people's listening information and then predict what you'll like to listen to.05:56
netpuppyguestish, hm, I don't think GNOME 2.9 hit sid yet05:56
johnnybezak_phate_: chmod -R 755 /path/to/partition (owner read, write, execute group and other read and execute)05:56
guestishodd number GNOME releases are unstable05:56
johnnybezakpvh: ok i'll have a look05:56
pvhjohnnybezak: Audioscrobbler can make playlist recommendations automatically by querying audioscrobbler against your database.05:56
guestishofficial releases are even05:56
crimsunerrr: you don't actually have to do anything aside from selecting Fluxbox in the Session menu when you log in05:56
guestishthats why its always 2.4, 2.6, 2.805:56
guestishetc05:56
Brunellusi can't drag it off the right side05:56
netpuppyguestish, though I have spent the last 3 years doing BSD work, so I'm not that up-to-date with the situation05:56
guestishnetpuppy: ?05:57
errrcrimsun: that would be nice to do if it were there :D05:57
crimsunerrr: you did install fluxbox from universe, correct?05:57
errrno05:57
errrsvn05:57
guestishim just wondering...people keep on telling me ubuntu basically is debian05:57
pvhjohnnybezak: It's not for everyone -- depends on your listening profile. Check out the webpage.05:57
crimsunerrr: ...05:57
errrcurrent fluxbox is .9.12 not .9.905:57
johnnybezakpvh: i'll have a look then05:57
crimsunerrr: then why didn't you make a request to have it updated? :(05:57
pvhguestish: Ubuntu is basically Debian with a fast release cycle. :)05:58
pvhguestish: And an emphasis on being nice to people.05:58
Brunellusarrrgh.05:58
guestishpvh: huh?05:58
BrunellusI can't figure this out.05:58
errrcrimsun: I am not worried about it I guess. dopey knows its out and there is a .deb05:58
guestishpvh: how can a distro be "nice to people"?05:58
pvhguestish: Ubuntu means "humanity to all people".05:58
Brunellussomehow this got dragged out to the side05:58
guestishuh, ok?05:58
Brunellusand now I can't undock it from the right hand side05:58
pvhguestish: Notice how nobody is flaming anyone in this channel (at the moment)05:58
guestishpvh: sure, but whats that have to do with ubuntu?05:58
crimsunerrr: yes, but at least it could have been considered for universe prior to preview freeze05:58
Brunellusyaaay05:59
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Brunellusfound it05:59
guestishpvh: and about release cycles, does ubuntu take its packages from sid?05:59
guestishor does it have its own maintainers?05:59
pvhguestish: Both.05:59
guestishoh05:59
pvhguestish: But ubuntu is kept much more up to date than Debian.05:59
BrunellusI'll be damned.  the ****ing panel properties thing is hard to find05:59
guestishdebian sid, sarge or woody?05:59
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pvhguestish: Hah.05:59
crimsunguestish: please see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTU05:59
guestish?06:00
netpuppymmm... gaim 2.0 kicks ass06:00
guestishpvh: why the "hah"06:00
pvhguestish: It's gotta be sid.06:00
pvhguestish: Though Crimsun is better qualified than I am to answer that.06:00
guestishpvh: so ubuntu is more up to date then sid?06:00
pvhguestish: Yes.06:00
guestishpvh: but you just said it gets many of its packages from sid06:01
guestishthats a contradiction..06:01
pvhguestish: There's no inherent conflict there, though I should have been clearer.06:01
Brunellusguestish:  many, but not all06:01
guestishpvh: please do06:01
Brunellusfor those packages which it does not get from sid06:01
pvhguestish: Packages come from Sid, or are maintained by Ubuntu developers.06:01
guestishok, so the packages that it doesnt get from sid, about how many are there that are ubunutu specific?06:01
Brunelluslogically, it follows that ubuntu might be more up to date06:01
guestishubuntu*06:01
guestishjust a rough estimate06:02
pvhguestish: I don't know the answer to that.06:02
guestishall im asking06:02
guestish1000? 2000?06:02
Brunellusguestish:  why does it matter?06:02
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Brunellusif you want "up to date," why not go for gentoo?06:02
guestishi dont like compiling06:02
pvhguestish: I'm afraid I really don't know. All I know is that running Hoary I usually get major packages a couple days after they're released in source.06:02
errrhot dog!! thanks netpuppy that got me all fixed up06:03
crimsunguestish: ubuntu's universe has packages that are newer than their counterparts or simply don't exist in debian proper06:03
Brunellusguestish:  ye pays yer money or ye takes yer time06:03
pvhguestish: Evolution 2.1.6 dropped into Hoary in the past few days.06:03
netpuppyerrr, you're welcome :)06:03
guestishcrimsun: ok, thats cool, im just wondering exactly how many there are06:03
guestisher, about06:03
crimsunguestish: ~a dozen06:03
guestishapproximately06:03
guestisha dozen packages?06:03
crimsunthat are not in debian proper06:03
guestishok06:03
guestishso 12 packages06:04
crimsunthat's a rough guess06:04
Brunellusguestish:  why does it matter, again?06:04
guestishjust wondering mainly06:04
guestishi've heard a lot about it and i wanna know the truth06:04
crimsunguestish: "truth"?06:04
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guestishmeh06:04
Brunellusubuntu works for me.  that's true enough06:04
crimsunguestish: grab an array-6 image, burn, and boot06:04
crimsunguestish: best way to "test" the "truth"06:05
guestishim just wondering why there is ubuntu and debian if the difference between ubuntu and debian is 12 packages06:05
Brunellusit has also so far been nicer than suse...06:05
guestishheh,  iwould except i dont have the room to install06:05
Brunellusguestish:  what does it matter?06:05
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Brunellusguestish:  run it livecd, if you can't/won't install06:05
crimsunguestish: a livecd is included in array-606:05
pvhguestish: Have you run Debian much?06:05
guestishpvh: few years06:05
guestishmainly sid06:05
pvhguestish: One thing that always frustrated me about Sid was that it would often be in an inconsistent state.06:06
guestishpvh: inconsistant state?06:06
crimsunguestish: no, the "only" differences between debian and ubuntu absolutely are _not_ limited to 12 packages06:06
pvhguestish: Things would be badly broken -- I remember when perl5.8 came out, I ended up in a totally borked state.06:06
guestishcrimsun: what else is there? (this isnt a challenge, just a question)06:06
Brunellusmajor difference:  ubuntu support is a lot friendlier!06:06
guestishpvh: and that doenst happen in ubuntu?06:06
guestishthats impressive06:06
pvhguestish: No, the up-to-date repository, in my experience, is kept clean.06:06
guestishcool, so packages are added every day?06:07
pvhguestish: Yeah.06:07
crimsunguestish: besides the focused release schedule, there's also a major commitment to a unified desktop experience, which means a bevy of kernel packages, device management, and microtuning of various configurations behind-the-scenes06:07
guestishcrimsun: so its more integrated?06:07
crimsunguestish: every 30 minutes pool is updated as opposed to once per day06:07
crimsunguestish: absolutely. It's a GNOME-based desktop, for one06:08
guestishcrimsun: oh, so gnome only?06:08
pvhguestish: No, KDE is in "universe"06:08
crimsunguestish: however, there has been quite a bit of work to integrate KDE neatly06:08
guestishah, so many more gui tools06:08
guestishthat makes sense06:09
crimsun(that effort is known as "Kubuntu")06:09
Quest-MasterHmm.. just upgraded to Hoary and my Firefox is dead now06:09
NobleArc*audible gasp!*06:09
johnnybezakQuest-Master: whats happened?06:09
johnnybezakQuest-Master: my firefox went wierd, but then was ok once i had compoletely finished upgrade06:09
Quest-MasterIt just.. isn't opening06:10
Quest-MasterI'm going to try to upgrade06:10
Brunellusas a non-techie, I went to ubuntu over Debian-Sarge because it was just friendlier06:10
guestishBrunellus: you've made that clear :)06:10
Brunellussorry.  I'm trying to get this across, as I feel it's quite important06:10
guestishyes yes, i know06:10
BrunellusDebian docs are very daunting for nontechnical people06:10
Quest-Masterrm: cannot remove `/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/defaults/pref': Is a directory <-- I get this when I try to upgrade06:11
Brunellusubuntu is a lot less threatening.06:11
guestishubuntu must be heavily staffed to do all this06:11
Quest-MasterShould I manually remove it?06:11
Quest-MasterThere is nothing in there06:11
johnnybezakQuest-Master: just rm -rf it06:11
Brunellusguestish:  if you have a free partition, give it a try06:11
ellsis anyone familiar on how I can get transcode and get it installed06:11
guestishunfortuately i dont06:11
crimsunguestish: it has very committed people, yes.06:12
johnnybezakhow do i expand tar.gz in the command line?06:12
Brunellustry the livecd, if you can.  the livecd is pretty neat.06:12
crimsunjohnnybezak: tar xfz foo.tar.gz06:12
guestishso a few, but commit people06:12
guestisher, comitted06:12
johnnybezakcrimsun: thnx06:12
guestishtar -zxvf06:12
crimsunguestish: quite a bit more than just "a few"06:12
guestishcrimsun: ?06:12
pvhguestish: There's lots of information on the ubuntulinux.org site as well. :)06:12
guestishpvh: i know, im browsing it:)06:13
Quest-MasterIf I just close a terminal in the middle of it apt-get upgrade'ing, will I break anything? :\06:13
guestishQuest-Master: um...yes...06:13
XenguyQuest-Master: I'm assuming that will abort06:13
crimsunQuest-Master: it will stop the apt-get operation, but you can always resume it06:13
guestishQuest-Master: it will break stuff...06:13
guestishQuest-Master: apt-get -f install06:14
Quest-MasterYeah.. it seems this upgrade has a ton to do, and I have to go to sleep and turn off the computer06:14
guestishleave it on..06:14
guestishor do apt-get -f install in the morning06:14
crimsunQuest-Master: then re-execute the apt-get operation when you awake in the morning06:14
guestishcanceling it never has that good of an effect if you are past the downloading phase06:15
Quest-MasterCan't go to sleep when it's on.. makes too much noise, hehe.06:15
XenguyQuest-Master: yeah, apt-get is smart enough to resume where it left off :-)06:15
Quest-MasterI'll just stay up a bit.06:15
crimsunQuest-Master: nothing's broken, just restart it when you awake06:15
XenguyQuest-Master: you don't have to -- you can simply resume in the morning -- no time is lost :-)06:15
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mrproperDo I need to install anything to get spam filtering in Evolution to work?06:18
guestishdont think so06:18
mrproperBecause mine doesn't seem to effective, and spamassassin isn't in the repository.06:19
guestishyou sure spamassassin isnt?06:19
mrproperWhats the package name?06:19
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guestishuh, spamassassin06:20
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mrproperA search in Synaptic shows nothing06:20
guestishtry apt-cache06:20
travisatbob2: are you here06:20
mrproperguestish, Nope.06:20
guestishmrproper: weird06:20
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guestishwell im not using ubuntu06:20
crimsunmrproper: enable universe.06:20
mrpropercrimsun, will that screw anything up?06:20
crimsunmrproper: no.06:21
netpuppylol06:21
guestishyeah, i'd think spamassassin was there06:21
netpuppyThe following packages have unmet dependencies:06:21
netpuppy  libapache-mod-python: Depends: python (< 2.4) but 2.4-0ubuntu6 is to be installed06:21
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guestishnothing's perfect...06:23
crimsunnetpuppy: pristine hoary?06:24
mrproperThanks guys.06:24
crimsunnetpuppy: i.e., no external sources06:24
netpuppycrimsun, well I just enabled universe06:26
netpuppyif that counts06:26
netpuppybut when I look at it it actually makes sense06:26
crimsunnetpuppy: that's fine06:26
netpuppyit says < 2.406:26
crimsunnetpuppy: it just hasn't been rebuilt yet.06:26
guestish?06:26
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guestishwhat doesnt have errors...06:26
netpuppyanyways libapache2-mod-python was what I was looking for06:27
crimsunnetpuppy: it's listed here, so it hasn't been transitioned yet: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePythonTransitionTODO06:27
Agabushey has anyone else reported array 6 as after installing not booting any GUI after having problems installing packages?06:27
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mrproperDoes Warty come with inotify in the kernel?06:30
johnnybezakhey guys how do I add things to startup?06:32
crimsunmrproper: no, but hoary does.06:32
crimsunmrproper: it is, however, disabled even in hoary's kernel06:32
mrpropercrimsun, Okay, so it's disabled.  Okay thanks.06:33
ellsin hoary, since k3b wont work, what are people using to burn cds and dvds06:33
Agabushas anyone else reported array 6 as after installing not booting any GUI after having problems installing packages??06:33
johnnybezakells: why wont k3b work>?06:33
ellsI was told that it will not work in hoary06:33
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gteppelWhat is that DateTime notation that represents the date in terms of seconds??06:34
ellsactually, i had haory for a while and it did not work either06:34
johnnybezakells: i can't see why it wouldnt work06:34
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ellsjohnnybezak, are you running hoary06:34
jeavishello06:34
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jeaviswhere I can download Hoary06:34
johnnybezakells: you'll just have to d/l the kde libs06:34
johnnybezakjeavis: distrowatch.com06:34
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crimsunjeavis: hoary has not been released yet.06:34
johnnybezakwoah06:35
ellsjohnnybezak,what are you running06:35
johnnybezaksorry hehe06:35
johnnybezakells: i just use nautilus06:35
ellscrimsun, you can still download the latest hoary06:35
jeaviscrimsun: what do you recommend warty o hoary06:35
johnnybezakjeavis: you can update warty06:35
bestadvocatehey google added a cool weather thinggy06:35
ellsjohnnybezak, are you running warty06:35
crimsunells: you can download a milestone (i.e., snapshot)06:35
jeavisjohnnybezak: I want to downlaod de iso and burn06:35
johnnybezakells: hoary06:35
crimsunjeavis: depends on what you want06:36
ellsjohnnybezak,  he will probably be better off downloading the latest iso06:36
ellsjohnnybezak, can you burn dvds also06:36
jeaviscrimsun: I want to check06:36
crimsunjeavis: then try array-6. See the topic.06:36
jeaviscrimsun: I can download and burn it06:36
ellsjeavis, that is what I would do06:36
Agabusi downloaded array 6 but it didn't work06:37
ellsI have downloaded both the current hoary and debian06:37
ellsI am torn between the two06:37
johnnybezakjeavis: you've got to d/l warty then update it06:37
ellsjohnnybezak, I do not believe that is true06:37
ellshoary is available to download06:37
ellsin iso06:38
johnnybezakhoary: thats news to me, it hasnt been released yet06:38
johnnybezakells: youre probably right though06:38
ellshttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/current/06:38
johnnybezakells: as far as nautilus and dvd's i think it can06:38
crimsunells: the 6th milestone toward Hoary has been released. Hoary has _not_ been released.06:38
johnnybezakells: but im not sure06:38
ellsright, but that has all the latest changes06:39
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mrproperWhere can I get gtkmozembed?06:40
crimsunmrproper: enable universe.06:41
mrpropercrimsun, Yeah, what package?06:41
crimsunmrproper: are you looking for the .NET binding for it?06:41
mrpropercrimsun, No.06:42
mrproperI don't think so at least.06:42
Xenguyapt-cache search gtkmozembed  ???06:42
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crimsun[that will return libgecko-cil] 06:42
Xenguymrproper: --^06:42
mrproperJust the .Net binding.06:43
crimsunmrproper: err, what? are you or are you not looking for the .NET binding?06:43
mrproperI guess I could go with tbird-dev.06:43
crimsun:-)06:43
mrpropercrimsun, I am not looking for the bindings.06:43
crimsunmrproper: then you're probably looking for libnspr-dev, mozilla-dev, or mozilla-firefox-dev06:44
mrproperI couldn't find mozilla-firefox-dev, but I'm going to install the CIL bindings which will pull needed stuff.06:45
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Steve_G4Hello06:46
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Steve_G4I'm using the LiveCD of Hoary on a G4.06:46
Steve_G4Does anybody know if I can mount my HFS+ formatted drive?06:47
Steve_G4Is anybody active in here?  No messages are showing up....06:48
johnnybezakSteve_G4: you can06:49
Steve_G4How?06:49
johnnybezak2.6 has HFS+ reading built in06:49
crimsunSteve_G4: it's very early sunday morning eastern time and daylight in europe; many people are asleep.06:50
johnnybezakmount -t hfsplus /dev/devicename /path/to/mount/point06:50
crimsunso despite it being not even 10 pm in your neck o' the woods...06:50
johnnybezakand its ten to five pm here :)06:51
Steve_G4its 9:52 pm here06:51
Steve_G4I'm in Los Angeles, CA, US06:51
NobleArcFunny, it's 9:41 PM here. :P06:51
johnnybezakhmmm youre clocks wrong :)06:51
Steve_G4according to the nearest GSM cellular tower, its 9:5206:51
NobleArcOhh, I read it as 41, when it said 47 >.<06:52
NobleArc*moves an ethernet cable*06:52
Steve_G4haha06:52
NobleArcand my taskbar says 9:52. o_O06:52
jupiterdoes anyone here use the PPC version of Warty?06:52
Steve_G4I'm on the PPC LiveCD of Hoary06:52
johnnybezaki was using it updated to hoary yesterday06:52
NobleArcif I could afford a Mac, I would.06:53
jupiteroh, i didn't even know there was a LiveCD for PPC!06:53
Steve_G4I'm on a blazing fast 350mhz G406:53
johnnybezaknice 106:53
Steve_G4neither did I, until I saw the update on DistroWatch06:53
johnnybezakhows gnome go?06:53
Steve_G4I think gnome is a lot simpler and easier to use than kde06:53
johnnybezaki use flux06:54
Steve_G4but I've only used Knoppix and Ubuntu, so I can't really say much..06:54
johnnybezakbut i like gnome too06:54
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mrproperDoes anyone know why Firefox is so old in Horay?06:54
johnnybezakSteve_G4: then youve used some good ones :)06:54
Steve_G4yes indeedy06:54
crimsunmrproper: "old"?06:54
mrproper0.9.306:54
crimsunmrproper: 1.0RC had _just_ been released when Warty was released.06:55
mrpropercrimsun, But with Horay?06:55
crimsunmrproper: 1.0 is in Hoary06:55
mrpropercrimsun, Wait, which is more updated, Horay or Warty?06:55
crimsunthe former06:55
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mrpropercrimsun, I'm on Warty.  To upgrade, just change warty to horay on the sources.list file?06:56
crimsun"warty" to "hoary"06:56
Steve_G4Hoary is the newest version of Ubuntu, but Hoary is an alpha development release for now06:56
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crimsunthen you'll need to update && dist-upgrade06:56
Steve_G4Warty is the stable release06:56
Steve_G4I don't really know what any of the added features and enhancements on Hoary are over Warty06:57
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sprongiewoo just installed ubuntu and to abuse a phrase, i'm loving it :)06:57
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mrproperCould someone tell me what a sources.list file from Horay should look like?>06:57
Steve_G4thats great sprongie06:58
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eruinhoary alpha??06:58
sprongiedetected all my nforce mobo hardware just dandy06:58
eruinarent we in feature freeze closing up on release date fast?06:58
jupiterDo the PPC users use MOL?06:58
sprongieinstalled with XFS partition, only minor oops when i forgot to create a ext2 /boot partition06:58
Steve_G4what?06:58
crimsunSteve_G4: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryGoals06:58
justdave_I use MOL06:58
sprongiethat should probably be fixed.  otherwise, it's a joy06:58
Steve_G4thank you crimsun06:59
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justdave_is there anything special I need to do to make "detected printers" work in CUPS?06:59
sprongiemrproper: i can msg you my sources.list if you want06:59
jupiterjustdave: so firewire and firewire HDs are recognized? how about the isight as a video source?07:00
sprongiemrproper: turn off flood protection and i'll msg it, or i can try dcc07:00
mrpropersprongie, I just found one.07:00
sprongieah ok07:00
justdave_jupiter: dunno, haven't tried that stuff in MoL yet.07:00
jupiterjustdave: how about in ubuntu itself?07:00
justdave_I would doubt if hotplugging a firewire device would show up in MoL...  you probably have to have it mounted already, then list it in the drives to make available to OSX in the MoL config07:01
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justdave_I've got a shared printer on another computer on my LAN (advertised via zeroconf)07:02
justdave_on all the OS X boxes it just shows up on the shared printers list07:02
justdave_the printer box in Ubuntu isn't showing any detected printers07:02
justdave_(although it's claiming that it should be able to detect them)07:02
justdave_do I have to do anything special to make it work?07:03
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justdave_guess it'll print now, just annoying it didn't already show up.  CUPS is supposed to be able to do zeroconf07:05
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mystifyi got a question07:06
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mystifycan anyone help me please?07:07
LevanderAnybody know how to change the domain name?07:07
johnnybezakmystify: just ask :)07:08
luciuxLevander: you say the DNS ip?07:08
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mystifyi do beleive i have installed wine right? so i want to install this game called city of heroes...nothing is happening?07:08
mystifydo i need to get wine up and working before i can put the installation cd of CoH?07:09
sprongieis CoH known to work under wine?07:09
Levanderluciux, on my machine when I type hostname --fqdn, I get localhost.localdomain.  Would rather this be my name on the network07:09
mystifyi dont know07:09
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sprongiegames are a pretty tough test07:09
Levanderluciux, it causes problems with mysql I'm thinking07:09
mystifywhere would i go to find out?07:09
sprongiemystify: personally i'd google it07:10
mystifyhm...what keywords?07:10
sprongie"city of heroes" linux wine07:10
mystifygotcha, thx07:10
luciuxLevander: you can alter it with hostname the_name07:10
sprongieif it does anything really graphics heavy like 3d, you're probably going to need WineX07:11
Levanderluciux, no, hostname can't alter the fqdn, it can only alter the hostname07:11
Cube-nessanybody know why recent updated to hoary have made gnome very slow?07:11
luciuxLevander: and the same domainname the_name07:11
Levanderluciux, no, "man domainname" explicitly says u can't07:11
sprongiedomainname is a NIS thing07:12
sprongienot relevant to dns07:12
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Levanderoh yeah, i was thinking dnsdomainname07:12
Levanderi'm not using nis07:12
Levanderit says it can't on it's man page under "The FQDN" section07:12
luciuxLevander: i see.. what about altering your /etc/hosts?07:13
sprongiehostname07:13
Levanderluciux, to what?07:13
Levanderi saw that on the man page, no idea what to alter it to07:14
sprongieyou don't really "have" a domain name07:14
sprongieyou have a default search domain07:14
luciuxLevander: to specify your right fqdn07:14
Steve_G4is it better to run a game natively in Linux, if available, than to run it through WineX?07:15
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Levandersprongie, yeah I do, it's local, it's my home network, have dns set up for it07:15
mystifyanyone ever heard of cedega?07:15
crimsunSteve_G4: absolutely.07:15
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crimsunmystify: it's just the newer version of winex07:15
mystifywhere do i get it?07:15
Levanderluciux, but how to I alter it to specify my right fqdn?07:15
crimsunwww.transgaming.com07:15
mystifyi tried transgaming.com07:15
sprongieyou buy it07:15
Steve_G4I saw that the Doom 3 demo for Linux can be patched and made into the full version07:15
mystifyyou gotta buy it?07:15
sprongieyes07:15
mystifyhow much is it?07:15
sprongiecheap.  check their prices07:16
mystifyhmm...07:16
sprongiepersonally i just dual boot07:16
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sprongiei guess if you have an EQ addiction and still like to chat, winex is for you07:16
luciuxLevander: if you say on /etc/hosts which is you fqdn for your ip it could work, doesn't it?07:17
Levanderluciux, do I assume every time I'm looking for my own machine that it's asking for the name of 127.0.0.1, and change the FQDN of that ip from localhost.localdomain, to what it should be, bread.highhat.net?07:17
Levanderluciux, i'm trying to figure out how to put my correct FQDN in hosts.  I don't know the format to use.07:18
sprongieyou ADD that hostname.  you dont ever want to get rid of localhost07:18
Levandersprongie, cool, i'm gonna try it07:18
mystifyok, how cheap are we talking cedega?07:18
mystifyit says i gotta subscribe on it for 6 months! and thats $30...i just want cedega...07:20
Levandersprongie, yes! that worked! only thing a little different than just adding an entry for bread.highhat.net was that I had to remove the bread alias for localhost.localdomain!07:20
Levanderthanks sprongie07:20
luciuxLevander: IP fqdn hostname07:20
Levanderand thanks luciux07:20
Levanderluciux, yeah, i got it, thanks for your help!07:20
luciuxLevander: you're welcome07:20
luciuxLevander:  :)07:20
sprongieLevander: you probably want to keep the unqualified alias.  you can stick it on a different line if it's preferring the short name and you really need the fqdn07:21
Steve_G4are there any free alternatives to Cedega?07:21
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sprongiemystify: i dont think it stops working when the subscription's out07:21
sprongiemystify: you just dont get updates07:22
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crimsunSteve_G4: not as fully-featured: wine07:22
Levandersprongie, hostname --fqdn didn't work until I removed the bread alias from localhost, but I think I did what your saying, I added the bread alias to bread.highhat.net07:22
crimsunSteve_G4: then again, wine is much more general-purpose than cedega07:22
sprongiedunno tho, maybe it does timebomb07:22
mystifywait, what?07:22
Levandersprongie, that what u mean?07:22
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sprongieLevander: ahhh i see.  yah that'll work too07:22
Steve_G4what would happen if i ran Wine on a PPC, then used it to run a Windows app?07:23
Steve_G4would that work at all?07:23
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mystifyi have wine, how do i get it to work? (give me example of microsoft program taht works with wine)07:23
Steve_G4download Internet Explorer07:23
sprongieoffice works nice, i'm told07:23
sprongieso does IE07:23
Steve_G4how about Microsoft AntiSpyware? :-P07:24
SiRrUscrossover is the way to go :)07:24
sprongieSteve_G4: actually that might not.  scanner probably would work, the rest puts in some pretty low level hooks07:24
Levandersprongie, any idea how those system calls work?  I'm thinking it must know my hostname from /etc/hosts, which is bread.  Then it looks up the fqdn, using hosts first since that's how nsswitch.con is set up to do, and in hosts it finds that bread is *now* an alias for highhat.net? Is that prolly how it works?07:24
Levanderknows hostname from /etc/hostname*07:24
mystifyso is there any alternative nonpaying way of getting cedega?07:24
emberlyI am trying to follow these instructions to enable japanese input in ubuntu, but the instructions say to edit my .gnomerc file... and I don't know where that file is or where it should be.   where is my .gnomerc file?07:24
emberlythe instructions I'm trying to follow are here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/JapaneseInputHowto07:25
sprongieLevander: i'm not sure what the resolution order for the hosts file is, but i think it's just the first one it hits07:25
mystifyim just a kid trying to get city of heroes to work07:25
Levandersprongie, well 127.0.0.1 is before bread.highhat.net, so it's not just order?07:25
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sprongieLevander: and they're all 127.0.0.1?  not sure then07:26
Levandersprongie, no, first is 127.0.0.1 as localhost, then my private ip 192.168.... as bread07:26
emberlyis the .gnomerc file supposed to be in my home directory?07:26
sprongieon my old box, it would prefer to resolve as ipv6 first, so i'd see a lot of connections from ::1 in my logs07:26
sprongieexposed a lot of ipv4 assumptions in my log parsing scripts ;)07:27
Levandersprongie, but you know, I'm thinking if I just took out the bread alias of localhost, then when the resolver tries to look up bread in the hosts file, it would file.  Then, as configured in nsswitch.conf, it would fall back to looking it up in DNS, and in there it would find bread.07:27
Levandersprongie, don't think I needed to add an entry for bread.highhat.net to hosts, just think I needed to remove the bread alias from localhost.localdomain07:28
sprongieLevander: that's why, because you're connecting through the 192.168 interface to get it to not show up as localhost.  it's actually going through your NIC, not the loopback07:28
Levanderwhat's going through the 192.168 interface?  You think the hostname utility is doing that?07:29
sprongiewhatever's making you see "localhost" and not "bread"07:29
Levanderthat was hostname (really worried about 2 other apps, but hostname is the simplest example of problem i could find)07:29
Steve_G4what is POSIX?07:30
sprongiehostname doesnt know anything about your hosts file07:30
sprongieit's set by /etc/hostname usually07:30
Levandersprongie, when I stop downloading movies off the internet, I can see if router lights flash up when I run host07:30
crimsunSteve_G4: http://www.pasc.org/#POSIX07:30
Levanderbut the network driver is prolly optimized to prevent that from happening, i'm guessing???07:30
Steve_G4thank you07:30
sprongieLevander: yeah it'll hit the nic's internal loopback07:30
Levanderwhen I run hostname*07:30
sprongieit should flash the nic's blinkenlights07:31
Levandersprongie, the nic's loopback is different than some other loopback?07:31
sprongieLevander: 127.0.0.1 is a virtual loopback.  all software.07:32
Levandersprongie, if that's the case then, /etc/hosts is really a screwy concept then07:32
sprongiethe internal loopback in the nic is a shortcut that tells it to not send a signal but just queue the packet07:32
Levanderthat's how a lot of programs are using to identify my machine07:32
sprongiean external loopback is an actual piece of testing hardware07:32
Levanderlike in the title bar of GNU emacs07:32
Levanderbut, if I use my real, network FQDN on my localhost, all my communications are gonna go through my NIC loopback07:33
sprongieshould be just as fast07:33
Levanderoh, u think the NIC loopback is as fast the the virtual software loopback? doesn't sound right, to get to the NIC loopback, u gotta go through the PCI bus07:34
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Levanderthe software loopback is prolly all RAM and CPU which is much faster07:34
sprongieyep07:34
Levanderbut, i guess I don't really run anything that communications intensive07:34
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Levanderexcept X-windows??07:35
mystifywhere do i get winex?07:35
sprongiex shouldnt be using the network at all07:35
travisatbob2: are you here07:35
sprongiemodern X servers use unix sockets and shm07:35
Levanderyou can run an X application on one machine and display it on another it's so networked07:35
Levanderwhat's shm?07:35
mystifywhere can i download wineX?07:35
Levanderunix sockets are networking07:36
thr1cemystify, google.com07:36
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Levandersprongie, not sure what u mean?07:36
sprongieunix sockets arent networking, they're a fancier version of a pipe07:36
sprongienamely a many-to-one pipe07:37
Levanderin java programming, a socket is what u open for listening to  connections from other machines07:37
sprongiethat's an inet socket07:37
Levanderooohhhhh07:37
sprongiethere's all kinds of sockets07:38
Levanderokay, this i did not know07:38
sprongieunix and inet are the only ones actually in use07:38
Levanderbut u can run an X application and display it on another, they just switch over and use inet socks when X is doing that?07:39
Levanderdisplay it on another machine*07:39
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sprongieyah, X *can* be set up to only ever do unix sockets, but it rarely is07:41
Levanderso, the way I've got my machine set up, it's possible X would be using my NIC loopback next time I restart it?07:41
sprongieX will use unix sockets if you're on the same machine as the X server07:42
sprongieer the X client ... er if they're colocated.  you get the idea07:42
sprongieunix sockets are sooper-fast07:42
Levandersprongie, so X prolly knows how to figure out the same thing that the NIC loopback does?07:42
Levanderit does the same optimization?07:42
sprongienope, if you set your display to use your hostname, it assumes nothing07:43
mystifyis there any way to get winex without paying?07:43
sprongiethat's why you always want to use DISPLAY=:0 and not DISPLAY=bread:007:43
goldfish_i think you only have to pay for support mystify07:43
goldfish_winex == cedega?07:43
mystifywell then where do i get it?07:43
sprongiesome servers will DWIM it if you do localhost:0 and actually use a unix socket07:43
sprongiesome wont07:43
Levandersprongie, ahha!07:43
goldfish_mystify: I dont know :)07:44
mystifyyou have to subscribe to get cedega07:44
goldfish_hrmm07:44
mystifyand i dont have a credit card...07:44
goldfish_I was told u only had to subscribe for support07:44
mystifydo you think you could look into it?07:44
Levandersprongie, how u know all this UNIX stuff I'd love to know, u a UNIX admin?07:44
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waseemhi how do i find the process id for totem07:44
thr1ceps aux07:45
mystifywell i cant download cedega anyway unless i subscribe...so i guess im sh*t outa luck07:45
Xenguywaseem: ps aux |grep totem07:45
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sprongieLevander: been doing unix of various flavors for about 12 years07:45
Levanderdoing? how? as an admin?07:45
sprongieoff and on admin07:45
goldfish_Levander: Get a good admin book.07:45
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goldfish_The O reilly, System Administration book is supposed to be good07:46
mystifyso does anyone know much about cedega?07:46
thr1cewill ubuntu run significantly slower than slackware on my machine?07:46
sprongiemostly junior admin stuff, never built out a big deployment07:46
goldfish_mystify: #cedega07:46
goldfish_:)07:46
sprongiesupported some tho07:46
Levandergoldfish, no kidding, but I'm never gonna remember all this stuff every time I'm in a random chat room, unless I've used it for 12 years of course07:46
mystifythe newest version, i guess07:46
Xenguymystify: AFAIK cedega is a proprietary version of WINE, optimized for gamers07:46
goldfish_mystify: they have a channel on this server07:46
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goldfish_yeah07:46
mystifyoh i c07:46
goldfish_also known as winex07:46
mystifythx07:46
sprongiegoldfish_: Unix System Administration is great.  used to call it the red book, i think it's purple now07:46
thr1ceanyone...?07:46
Levanderis that what u do for living, unix admin?07:46
_colini just installed kubuntu and i dont recall setting a root pass07:47
sprongieLevander: nope.  i kill spam for a living :)07:47
Xenguy_colin: read the FAQ07:47
Levandersprongie, Unix System Administration is an O'Reilly book, kinda generic name, be kinda hard to find without knowing publisher07:47
Levanderand how do u kill spam for a living?07:47
goldfish_sprongie: cool, i am only new to linux, but id like to get into the admin scene, might give that book a try07:47
sprongieLevander: whoops, i meant "Unix System Administrator Handbook"07:48
sprongiei _think_ that's what it's called07:48
sprongiemy brain is all mush07:48
goldfish_Essential Administartion07:48
mystifynobody is answering me on that server...hmm...they all must hate me07:48
Levanderu remember publisher? make it easier to find07:48
goldfish_is another good one they have07:48
sprongiethird edition is purple, has this goofy-ass cartoon on the front07:48
waseemdoes anyone here use totem that can help me out? the problem i have is whenever i go into a website that has a music video/song inside, totem pops up and then a whole bunch of the same error message pop up.07:48
brandon_hello07:48
thr1cewaseem, no plugins installed?07:48
waseemfor totem, i dont think so07:49
thr1ceman...hoary seems sloooow :(] 07:49
Levandersprongie, cool, i made a stick on my desktop07:49
Levanderhow u kill spam for a living.  U use gun? how?07:49
sprongiegoldfish_: you enjoy getting woken up at 3am?  you dont really want to be a sysadmin if not ;)07:49
goldfish_lol07:49
goldfish_3am is my awake time :)07:49
sprongiethr1ce: hoary is zooming fast for me07:50
waseemthrice, i have no plugins installed07:50
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sprongie'course i'm on an athlon64 and using kde07:50
mystifynobody is helping me on the cedega cahnnel07:50
thr1cemaybe because I'm used to slackware's speed...07:50
mystifychannel*07:50
goldfish_mystify: probably a bad time07:50
goldfish_maybe try later07:50
goldfish_?07:50
mystifyhm...07:50
waseemanyone know what i can do?07:51
waseemfor the problem07:51
mystifybut does anybody here know of any ways of getting cedega without subscribing?07:51
thr1cenope07:51
sprongiemystify: nope, it's a commercial product07:51
thr1ceyou have to subsribe07:51
waseemare there usually any plugins?07:51
mystifyugh...07:51
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waseemfor totem?07:51
thr1cecodecs07:51
Xenguymystify: I told you it is proprietary; now I'm telling you it is commercial07:51
mystifyso tell me...once i enter all the information, after paying...can i cancel it after i get cedega?07:52
sprongiethey do backport to wine, but it's way behind07:52
Levandersprongie, no matches at Amazon for Unix System Administrator Handbook07:52
mystifycancel the subscription i mean07:52
thr1cemystify, no, you have to pay for it07:52
thr1ceit's commercial07:52
mystifythx, you said that07:52
Xenguymystify: so you want to take their commercial product, then rip them off?07:52
Plukthe source is free though but lacks some things07:53
mystifyno...i mean cancel my subscription so it doesnt go on and on and on...paying for nothing month after month07:53
Xenguythat is mystifying indeed07:53
sprongieLevander: s/administrator/administration07:53
sprongieLevander: http://www.admin.com/07:53
thr1ceroot@24:/home/ubuntu # apt-get install Fluxbox07:53
thr1ceReading Package Lists... Done07:53
thr1ceBuilding Dependency Tree... Done07:53
thr1ceE: Couldn't find package Fluxbox07:53
thr1ce:(07:53
Xenguymystify: oh07:53
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bluebeardis there a way to disable gnome's window minimizing animation07:53
mystifysee what i mean?07:53
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Xenguymystify: I dunno - I just don't both with the non-free stuff07:53
Xenguymystify: I'm not a gamer anyway, so what do I care07:53
mystifyoh i c07:54
mystifylol07:54
bob2travisat: will you keep the bot out?07:54
Plukthr1ce, fluxbox not Fluxbox07:54
sprongiethr1ce: try lowercase07:54
mystifythx anyways guys07:54
thr1cestill doesn't work07:54
travisatbob2 yes07:54
sprongiethr1ce: sure you have a full sources.list?  shows up in aptitude for me07:54
membreya_anyone here use webmin and squid?07:54
Plukdid you enable universe in /etc/apt/sources.list thr1ce ?07:55
bob2travisat: remove.07:55
AnJellyCueWebmin yes,  squid no07:55
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waseemdoes anyone here use totem and know where to get the plugin for it?07:56
streetbmxwhat plugin07:56
thr1cegoogle07:56
waseemfor mozilla firefox07:56
streetbmxoh :-/07:57
goldfish_its on ubuntuguide.org07:57
goldfish_i think07:57
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calamarihi07:58
goldfish_hello07:58
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calamariI'm looking for a weird piece of software.  I connect to my computer remotely via ssh, and I'd like to pop up a message (or even better, communicate) with anyone at the computer locally.  Any ideas on a piece of software for this?08:00
crimsuncalamari: wall, xmessage, ...08:01
goldfish_write08:01
JDahlor chat maybe?08:01
calamaricrimsun: xmessage says "Error: Can't open display:"08:01
Levandersprongie, yeah, looks like a great book.  I wonder if it's companion, the Linux Administration Handbook is mroe for me though.  I rarely use any Unix besides Linux08:02
Levanderadded it to my Amazon wish list for safe keeping.08:02
goldfish_calamari: try write08:02
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Levandergotta go bed, late as fuck here.08:02
Xenguycalamari: do you have root?  If yes, then you could use 'wall'08:02
SuperLagwhere does the firmware for a Prism54 wireless card need to be put, so Ubuntu can read it when you start the card?08:03
Xenguycalamari: that contacts all users logged in08:03
calamariwrite doesn't seem to pop up a message in gnome08:03
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calamarithanks for the ideas tho.. think I'm getting closer :)08:03
AgabusXenguy - wall is only for the terminal08:03
XenguyAgabus: yep, realizing that now08:04
Agabusbut its still very cool08:04
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calamariit is :)08:05
FlyNavyCan anyone help with an installation display problem?08:05
Agabusi'd like to know how to send a message to users in GNOME/KDE aswell, but i gotta run to dinner, let me know if u figure it out08:06
calamariokay, thanks :)08:06
AnJellyCueFlyNavy,  Sup ?08:08
FlyNavyI installed Ubuntu without prob.  On boot, get to what should be login screen.  Screen looks segmented and cursir disappears on several parts left to right08:09
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goldfish_x server is fsailing08:09
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goldfish_you got an nvidia card FlyNavy ?08:10
goldfish_hi dazed_08:10
FlyNavyI have a Rage Mobility M3 on a dell laptop08:10
dazed_GOLDFISH_!08:10
calamariaha.. crimsun was right, xmessage works!  I needed to ssh -X08:11
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dazed_im at my buddies house...we got like 3 laptops my nix box his winblows box linked up08:11
dazed_its sick08:11
calamarizenity also works :)08:11
calamarialthough.. since I'm connecting from my local machine, it could be a false positive08:12
goldfish_dazed_: cool08:13
dazed_i know right08:13
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mrproperI just upgraded my copy of Ubuntu to Horay, but now the maximum resolution has shrunk.08:13
dazed_u know anything about filesharing with windows t0 linux08:13
dazed_or vice a versa08:13
goldfish_nope08:13
AnJellyCueYup08:13
dazed_i gto it down the hard way08:14
dazed_but im thinking there has to be an easier way08:14
calamaridazed: I had samba working at one point but it's broken now, for unknown reasons.. sorry :)08:14
dazed_yeah i got samba installed08:15
AnJellyCueThat is how i fileshare,   using Samba08:15
dazed_but all that is08:15
AnJellyCueeasy as :)08:15
dazed_is support to get on the network08:15
dazed_its not like it has an explorer to view all comps on the network08:15
dazed_and brows08:15
dazed_i have to mount the shared folders onto my drive08:15
calamariit did when it was working for me08:16
dazed_ok08:16
dazed_well i got samba08:16
dazed_how do i run the client?08:16
calamariI opened up Network (from Computer)08:16
dazed_well that would require me to be on gnome desktop08:17
dazed_im currently on flux08:17
calamarioic :)08:18
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viper12evening/morning all.08:20
revildabhas anyone tried to install the amarok music player in ubuntu? if so, did you manage to get it working and how08:20
viper12that requires KDE libraries revildab08:20
revildabwell, i've found the corresponding ubuntu libraries08:21
revildabbut no go08:21
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viper12there are some 'howto' stuff in the forums regarding that if I remember correctly, but I'm a "gnomer" and haven't so someone else is gonna havta' answer that one.08:21
revildabahh alright, ill have a look see but thanks anyway08:22
viper12g'luck on that....its a cool player.08:22
dazed_sudo mount -t smbfs -o username=guest //192.168.1.101/MySharedFolder /share08:22
dazed_Could not resolve mount point /share08:22
dazed_anyone know what that means08:22
viper12do you have that folder created on the local machine yet?08:23
dazed_hahah08:23
dazed_there we go08:23
viper12:)08:23
dazed_idiot08:23
dazed_<---08:23
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viper12nope.......I fub'd that one with NFS the first time same way. lmao08:23
mrproperHow do I get scrnsaver.h?08:23
dazed_got this one now08:25
dazed_15364: tree connect failed: ERRDOS - ERRnosuchshare (You specified an invalid share name)08:25
dazed_SMB connection failed08:25
viper12that one......gah.  I thought about smb, but with all 'ubuntu' all the time on the 4 machines here, I went NFS.08:25
mrproperCan someone tell me if they have scrnsaver.h?08:26
calamarimrproper: maybe.. where should it be?08:26
mrpropercalamari, I think I may have found the bug.08:26
FlyNavyAnybody else help with display problems at boot?08:26
viper12My guess here dazed would be that one one of the machines the share isn't setup properly.......but why/how? shakes head. dont know.08:27
viper12what is the problem FlyNavy ?08:27
calamarioh yeah.. since we're on the topic of networking... is there any concept of internet connection sharing for linux?08:28
FlyNavyViper12, have what should be login screen but divided into sections and cursor disappears and reappears at different parts of screen.08:28
FlyNavyScreen is divided into about 4 uneven vertical columns08:28
viper12nods.  is this a hoary or warty install? (xfree or xorg?), what video card as well.08:29
FlyNavyI have a Rage Mobility 128 card.  First tim eloading Ubuntu.  X11 file says XF86config-408:29
FlyNavyBeen about 5 years since playing w/ linux, so I have forgotten a lot08:30
viper12okay, so you're on the stock warty 4.10 build, and using xfree for that.  you need to use an editor to open XF86config-4 file to see what settings (specifically the monitor vertical and horizontal settings are listed.)  Just from the description, it sounds as the monitor settings are incorrect for the 'type of monitor you're using.08:31
viper12the file is located in the /etc/X11 directory. (btw.)08:31
mrproperDoes Horay have the nifty shadow effects with xorg?08:31
fscmrproper, yeah if you've got a nvidia card08:32
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viper12I've got some of that enabled via my nvidia stuff mprop08:32
mrproperfsc, How do I enable it?08:32
calamaricool, think I found something on that linux ics :) http://www.unixgeeks.org/security/newbie/misc/ipmasq.html08:32
FlyNavyI opened earlier and removed all resolutions except 800X600.  Although, the log file showed this strange adjustment to 130 HZ08:32
LinuxPiejoin #fedora08:32
fscmrproper, setup your xorg.conf file to use Composite extension, and then use xcompmgr08:33
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goldfish_LinuxPie: why?08:33
mrproperfsc, How do I do that stuff?08:33
viper12its NOT resolutions you need to worry aobut here FlyNavy.  Its the vertical and horizontal frequency settings.  check your monitor's manual or google the monitor to get those, and then compare them to what is listed in the device section.08:33
FlyNavyRoger that.  Do I have to list range or just set specific frequency?08:34
LinuxPie:>08:34
viper12FlyNavy:  here is an example. (don't use these, just look for the similar lines.  and then compare what you have in the file to what the  monitor NEEDS.08:35
viper12Section "Monitor"08:35
viper12Identifier"ENVISION"08:35
viper12HorizSync30-9508:35
viper12VertRefresh50-16008:35
viper12Option"DPMS"08:35
FlyNavyThanks.  Remember seeing that.  Will give it a shot.  Log file showed starting in those and then adjusting to much higher frequency.08:35
viper12I'm betting the install misidentified your monitor.  (The garbage you're looking at on bootup is typical for incorrect sync settings.)08:35
viper12and np08:36
dazed_well its time for me to pass out08:36
dazed_so niggaz08:36
dazed_keep it rteal08:36
FlyNavyI'll check dell.  this is a laptop.  Identified as Toshiba.08:36
viper12taker easy dazed.08:36
mrproperAnyone have the lines for xorg.conf to enable composting?08:36
viper12laptops can be persnickety....as are some flatpanels........08:36
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esherwhats the difference between latest ubuntu hoary and latest gnoppix 0.9.90b1 Hoary ?08:37
viper12mrproper, I remember seeing a mention of the compositing in the forums...you might want to put that keyword in ubuntu's web forums.08:37
dazed_i have a laptpo and a flat pannel...both work great08:37
viper12esher.........huh?08:37
dazed_but its probably the geforce fx5900 in each08:37
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goldfish_i had trouble with laptop08:38
viper12dazed the issues are sometimes a combo with dell using that stupid brookdale video chipset.08:38
goldfish_geforce 555008:38
goldfish_dell08:38
dazed_yeah08:38
dazed_dell08:38
goldfish_YES!08:38
goldfish_DELL!08:38
viper12lol.08:39
mrproperxcompmgr isn't installed by default?08:39
viper12I fixed my dell issues finally.  e17fp and dimension 2400 finally working. (Dad's happy as hell, as he got to kiss mcafee and adaware and spybot and .and.and. good bye.  lol08:39
togshaving trouble getting a PC to see the internet. Can get a local IP from modem fine, but can't get onto the net. Anybody able to assist?08:40
viper12I don't believe so mrproper.......isn't that to be used with specific types of video cards?08:40
viper12togs, what type of modem?08:40
viper12cable/dsl/phone line?08:40
togsD-Link DSL300+08:40
togsah ADSL08:40
crimsunmrproper: for hoary? no08:40
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goldfish_togs: might need a firmware upgrade?08:41
viper12okay togs...is the adsl setup to give out DHCP? (assign addresses?)  If so, you need to change the network device on ubuntu's machine to dhcp and it should work.08:41
goldfish_I had that trouble on windws08:41
goldfish_with a dlink08:41
togsgets a 192 IP ok, but not the 203 IP i need for the net08:41
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Klywww.otomotivshow.com08:41
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togsThis is on a low spec box without a GUI, going for server. Ubuntu on desktop goes OK08:42
togsDHCP works, gets local addresses OK08:43
viper12togs, do you know how to use iwconfig tools?  you can manually via iwconfig ifconfig set the device to get dhcp.08:43
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togsiw is a new one08:43
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socklerhey viper12 thanks for the help yesterday08:43
viper12my pleasure sockler08:44
sockleri would have your children if i was a lonely girl08:44
togsi've been ifup and ifdowning all day though :P. I'll give iwconfig a shot08:44
viper12yeah togs, just type iwconfig --help and it will give you the options, and without any comments it will list the current settings of the network devices.08:44
calamarican't run new apps for some reason.. restarting X08:44
togsthanks guys, will be back one way or the other :)08:44
viper12but yer not sockler and I'm relieved. lmao08:44
viper12take care togs.....08:45
viper12oh togs08:45
Roccocan anybody tell me what i've to do to get rights to change scaling_cur_freq?08:45
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viper12there is good info in the forums on setting up via command line with those.  just put them in search in the forums or ubuntu's pages.08:45
JDahlmaybe off-topic, but did anyone here try any of the ggz clients for ubuntu? Does it even work? I wanted to try it, but the client seems to freeze as soon as I try to connect to the server08:45
viper12Rocco, other than using "sudo" prefacing the command, not sure what you're looking for.08:46
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Roccoviper12: watch: root@nbmini:/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq # echo 800000 > scaling_cur_freq bash: scaling_cur_freq: Keine Berechtigung08:47
viper12nods. don't have an answer.  <<<is honest at the least. :)08:48
Roccoviper12 any idea?08:48
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socklerhey anyone know how to get nmap to work on ubuntu08:49
viper12brb08:49
Roccookay08:49
crimsunsockler: it works by default...08:49
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epslaptophow do you turn off the damned new window thingy on gnome08:50
epslaptopI've changed the option in gconf-editor but it doesn't change anything08:50
socklernot for me, says i dont have the right compiler08:50
sockleri find it odd that ubuntu doesnt have gcc08:51
crimsunsockler: build-essential08:51
epslaptopmdk doesn't come with it either08:51
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crimsunsockler: not everyone using a desktop-oriented Linux distribution needs a C compiler by default.08:52
goldfish_apt-get it08:52
epslaptopnautilus, how do you turn off the new window thing?08:52
goldfish_epslaptop: it's on ubuntuguide.org08:52
goldfish_in tricks section08:52
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Roccoepslaptop, do you run ubuntu on a notebook?08:53
viper12back.08:53
membreya_lo viper1208:53
Roccofine.08:53
socklerok then how do i install nmap without a compiler?08:53
Roccoviper12: so, any idea08:53
epslaptopRocco no, but I'm looking at doing it :P08:54
epslaptop(on 2k atm, with ubuntu on a desktop)08:54
epslaptophaven't had the best luck with ubuntu on laptops :(08:54
viper12hey mem, crimsun...........no rocco.  crimsun would be my suggestion for help on that one.08:54
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Agabuscalamari - so have u got the messaging working?08:54
Roccomay you answer my question please viper1208:55
bestadvocateanyone tried out graveman 3.8?08:55
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crimsunsockler: apt-get install nmap nmapfe08:55
bestadvocatenothing is working in it for me08:55
crimsunsockler: you don't need a C compiler to install compiled packages.08:55
togsdid somebody want to tell me soething before I plugged the plug?08:55
goldfish_apt-get install gcc08:55
viper12Rocco...just looking at the command......I'm not familiar with what you're trying to do.  it looks to be a command with re-directs to change the cpu settings, correct?08:55
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togsiwconfig was no good, btw08:56
viper12what was wrong togs?08:56
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Roccoviper12 right. yesterday it worked perfectly, but today i dont have the rights.....08:56
epslaptopthanks goldfish_, looks like a good guide :)08:57
calamariAgabus: don't think so08:57
togsgot an ubuntu box going as a server, it DHCPs and gets 192 addresses assigned, but I can't get it out onto the net08:57
socklercrimsun: that command didnt gwork for me08:57
calamariAgabus: I used xmessage, but I suspect I was seeing the message popup though the ssh tunnel08:57
goldfish_epslaptop: it is :)08:57
viper12crimsun, could you scroll up a bit to Rocco's command line question?  I'm not completely sure why his 'rights' would change overnight.......unless something got updated.08:57
togsthe crap thing is I gotta swap out cables and keyboards and monitors to try stuff :(08:57
epslaptopI just set my father up with ubuntu, second install I've done with it - so quickly learning things so I can answer his questions :P08:58
Agabuscalamari - yeh i just ssh'd into my computer and got xmessage working aswell08:58
viper12togs, is the modem ALSO set up as a dhcp server?08:58
togsyeah, it's not a router or firewall, just a DHCP modem08:58
Hklosermy ALS300 sound card doesn't work on ubuntu (or any other linux distro i've tried). OSS say they support it, does it come with ubuntu?08:58
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Roccoviper12 i always changed my cpufreq manually. yesterday i installad powernowd and it worked. but after rebooting it didn't work anymore, so i deleted it, bu now i can even change cpufreq manually08:59
viper12aha.  the modem is doing dhcp, and you also have a dhcp enabled server?  My bet is you need to go into the router config and turn that off there, so the server is the only machine getting the ip..08:59
calamariAgabus: I'd need to connect from another computer to know for sure08:59
sid77hi08:59
togsit DHCP's ok with winXP, assigns my 203.x.x.x IP08:59
crimsunsockler: which command didn't?08:59
togsthe weird thing was it picked up the 203 IP when installing09:00
viper12here crimsun:  I copied it for Rocco :   root@nbmini:/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq # echo 800000 > scaling_cur_freq bash: scaling_cur_freq: Keine Berechtigung09:00
socklerapt-get09:00
FlyNavyViper12,  thanks for help.  Not perfect, but got me in.  Will work more later.09:00
viper12cool FlyNavy09:01
crimsunviper12: thanks.09:01
viper12togs, did you get my 'bit' about the server AND the router using dhcp?09:01
crimsunRocco: are you positive that's the file you're supposed to write to?09:01
viper12and sure crimsun.  my 'boggle' on the deal is the disappearing rights bit.  The ONLY thing that I can think of is that something 'updated' tween then and now that's changed the way things work, but I confess ignorance as to 'why'.09:02
crimsunRocco: given the semantics, it doesn't make sense to write to the current frequency, which an ls -l /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq confirms09:02
togsviper12, i did. If you mean my ADSL modem by router. So are you saying I need to turm off the dhcp server on the ubuntu box?09:02
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Roccocrimsun ???09:02
viper12one or the other togs.  If the router/modem is working fine as a dhcp server, then the ubuntu box doesn't really need to.09:02
crimsunRocco: what are you trying to do?09:03
socklercrimsun: i entered the apt-get command and it said it couldnt find package09:03
goldfish_sockler: have you added extra repositires?09:03
Roccocrimsun i always changed my cpufreq manually. yesterday i installad powernowd and it worked. but after rebooting it didn't work anymore, so i deleted it, bu now i can even change cpufreq manually09:04
togsyeah, on the ubuntu desktop, i use ipmasq to forward. So how do I turm off dhcp server on the ubuntu box?09:04
crimsunsockler: are you running warty or hoary?09:04
crimsunsockler: nmapfe is in universe09:04
socklerwarty09:04
crimsunsockler: nmap is in main09:04
calci'm running grumpy i'm from the future :)09:04
crimsuncalc: you sly wench09:05
socklerthats all gibberish to me09:05
goldfish_sockler: www.ubuntuguide.org09:05
the_grey_ghostsockler use Aptitude search09:05
crimsunsockler: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePackages09:05
viper12okay, backtracking a minute here togs.  First, why do you want something other than the 'modem' to be the DHCP server?  Second, if you enabled the ubuntu box to be the dhcp server, then just 'undo' what you did.09:05
the_grey_ghostsudo aptitude search <package name> will tell you if the package is in the database09:06
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crimsunRocco: any reason you removed the powernowd package?09:06
soren9580anyone know how to run an expect script in cron?09:06
togserr. I don't need anything else to dhcp serve. And I haven't done anything (at least I think) to enable dhcp serving09:07
Roccoyes, crimsun, it didn't run any more, and i dont have the time to search the error. so i decided to remove it and controll the cpufreq manually again09:07
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crimsunRocco: I think it's probably easiest to reinstall powernowd09:07
viper12okay, so on the non-gui ubuntu 'slow' box, if you do an iwconfig, what does it report?  (is the device setup with a static address?09:07
togsreports nothing. it's not wireless09:08
viper12ifconfig then09:08
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Roccocrimsun ok, i try, but i need help by installing it.... i need only a little command. wait a minute please09:09
togsifconfig says no static IP. and if I do ifdown and ifup on the eth device, it successfully gets an IP from the ADSL modem. problem is that it still can't get to the net09:09
viper12just a minute togs.09:09
togsnp09:09
socklerPackage nmap is not available, but is referred to by another package.09:10
socklerThis may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or09:10
sockleris only available from another source09:10
crimsunsockler: is the main repository enabled?09:10
Roccoviper12, i geht following error:09:10
Roccoroot@nbmini:/home/lukas # dpkg -i powernowd_0.90-3ubuntu9_i386.deb09:10
RoccoWhle vormals abgewhltes Paket powernowd.09:10
Rocco(Lese Datenbank ... 85430 Dateien und Verzeichnisse sind derzeit installiert.)09:10
RoccoEntpacke powernowd (aus powernowd_0.90-3ubuntu9_i386.deb) ...09:10
Roccodpkg: Abhngigkeitsprobleme verhindern Konfiguration von powernowd:09:10
Rocco powernowd hngt ab von module-init-tools (>= 3.1-rel-2ubuntu2); aber:09:10
AlohaWolfhow do I edit my cron to change what time updatedb runs?09:10
Rocco  Version von module-init-tools auf dem System ist 3.1-pre2-2ubuntu3.09:10
Roccodpkg: Fehler beim Bearbeiten von powernowd (--install):09:10
Rocco Abhngigkeitsprobleme - lasse es unkonfiguriert09:10
RoccoFehler traten auf beim Bearbeiten von:09:10
Rocco powernowd09:10
Roccouuups sorry :)09:10
crimsunRocco: it's best to do: apt-get install powernowd09:10
socklermain restricted or unrestricted?09:10
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crimsunsockler: main restricted universe09:11
Roccocrimsun this way doesn't work. he asks for the ubuntu-cd then, which i dont have09:11
sockleryeah i enabled the universe ones09:11
socklerit didnt work so i enabled them all, still doesnt work09:11
crimsunRocco: do you have a live Internet connection on the Ubuntu machine?09:12
Roccocrimsun, there is only a little additional command, which ignores the version..... i cant find it any more. yes, i have inet09:12
crimsunsockler: are you using apt-get, aptitude, dselect, or Synaptic?09:12
sockleri used synaptic to enable09:12
socklerand aptget in command09:12
crimsunRocco: then use Synaptic to disable the cd-rom source and to enable the Internet-based one(s), then Reload09:13
crimsunsockler: did you remember to Reload in Synaptic (or apt-get update)?09:13
socklerlol didnt do it after enabling09:14
socklerthanks09:14
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togswhile im here, what's pcimia, or something like that? that's laptop stuff, yeah?09:15
goldfish_think so09:15
crimsuntogs: yeah, peripheral connector standard(s) for laptops09:15
Roccoroot@nbmini:/home/lukas # apt-get install powernowd [bash]  Following packages doesn't perform the dependence: powernowd: depends on: module-init-tools (>= 3.1-rel-2ubuntu2) but 3.1-pre2-2ubuntu3 should be installed09:15
togsoky, so pcimia errors on desktop boxes are because they're not laptops?09:16
crimsunRocco: please apt-get update09:16
Roccoi did already crimsun09:17
azriel0184togs, yes. and i always wondered why a desktop install included the pcmcia stuff...09:17
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homer2hmm09:18
goldfish_hi09:18
homer2when setting up eggdrops in an ubuntu box, it says i need tcl 8.6.4 when i have 8.6.9 installed09:18
homer28.4.6 and 8.4.9 respectivly09:19
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viper12afk a few minutes.09:19
membreya_anyone here have experience with configuring squid and using apt-get?09:19
membreya_just looking at my access.log it says tcp_miss meaning that the proxy isn't caching it cos the local system has it cached09:20
crimsunRocco: do you have the warty-security line uncommented, too?09:20
membreya_but my system doesnt have it cached :|09:20
crimsunRocco: err, you don't have to worry about that last question. Apologies.09:20
Roccodon't understand crimsun..... but i've installed module-init-tools_3.1-pre2-2ubuntu3_i386.deb now manually, still the sam error message09:21
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crimsunRocco: the problem is that you have mixed warty and hoary sources.09:21
crimsun3.1-pre2-2ubuntu3 is from warty; 3.1-rel-2ubuntu2 is from hoary.09:22
Roccocrimsun: really!? and this means.....?09:22
crimsunRocco: did you dist-upgrade to hoary? i.e. are you running hoary?09:22
deweyok using live cd I could not get past here:  Entering run level 2; Saving VESA state:  ?09:22
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Roccocrimsun: never heard anything about hoary and warty.... :-/09:23
goldfish_lol09:23
goldfish_poor Rocco09:23
goldfish_:/09:23
Roccowhat shells :D09:23
crimsunRocco: dpkg -l libc6|grep ^ii|awk '{print $3}'09:23
Roccocrimsun: 2.3.2.ds1-13ub09:25
crimsunok, so that's the version of libc6 from warty09:25
crimsunnow why is module-init-tools from hoary installed?09:25
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Rocco...dont know...?09:26
crimsunRocco: please paste /etc/apt/sources.list onto http://pastebin.ca09:26
Roccocrimsun: so i need this module from warty, right?09:26
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Roccocrimsun: root@nbmini:/home/lukas # /etc/apt/sources.list onto http://pastebin.ca .... bash: /etc/apt/sources.list: Keine Berechtigung09:27
Roccocrimsun: (means: no rights....the same error, when i try to change my cpufreq)09:29
crimsunRocco: you have to open a web browser (mozilla-firefox), go to http://pastebin.ca, and copy and paste the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list09:29
crimsunRocco: don't try to execute it09:29
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BenoniCan someone confirm that openssh for Ubuntu Hoary is *not* built with GSSAPI support?09:30
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crimsunBenoni: correct.09:31
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BenoniOK, thanks crimsun.09:31
epslaptopwelp got ubuntu working nicely :)09:31
epslaptopdetected all drivers... only using vesa at the moment but no need for anything else at this stage09:31
epslaptopapart from that, impressive :P09:32
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membreyacan someone help me with some information on my squid config.. getting new packages via synaptic, and the packages are showing in the access.log as a miss meaning that the local machine has them cached and the proy isn't used...yet my local machine doesnt have them cached.  is there any reason for this ?09:33
crimsunthat's odd terminology for a miss09:33
Roccocrimsun: http://pastebin.ca/692609:33
crimsunusually a hit indicates that it is cached09:33
crimsuna miss indicates that it isn't and thus has to refer upstream09:34
devdudeHas anyone had problems with synergy under hoary? doesnt connect to client since upgraded from warty.09:34
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crimsundevdude: 1.0.14-1?09:35
devdude1.0.1409:35
crimsunRocco: ok, you need to comment out that first line09:36
crimsunRocco: put a '#' at the beginning of the line09:36
Roccocrimsun.....deb cdrom....09:36
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crimsunRocco: yes.09:37
Roccodone, crimsun09:37
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Roccocrimsun.... i don't understand..... powernowd workes fine after installing, but no more after rebooting,09:39
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jeavisHi09:43
MyNameIsChrisHello jeavis09:43
jeavisHow to uninstall a software?09:43
crimsunRocco: I don't know anything offhand, sorry.09:44
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crimsunRocco: have you looked at https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/CPUFreqModuleLoading09:44
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MyNameIsChrisjeavis: What software?09:45
jeavismysql09:46
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jeavisMyNameIsChris: mySQL09:46
Roccocrimsun thank you very much. i will have a look at it afterwards.....cu, and thanks again09:46
MyNameIsChrisjeavis: apt-get remove packagename if you downloaded it as a package09:46
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jeavisMyNameIsChris: Thank you very much09:47
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MyNameIsChrisjeavis: np09:50
dimshi09:50
dimscan anyone help on setting up XFCE4 instead of Gnome on Ubuntu distribution?09:51
MyNameIsChrissudo apt-get install xfce09:52
dimsI have downloaded XFCE4 from synoptic09:53
MyNameIsChrisCan't help you then, apt-get does everything for you09:54
_4strOmmm09:55
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_4strOi have dowloaded Enlightenment but it doesn't appear in GDM09:55
dimsok, I ll try this way, sorry I am new to this, quiet impressed with Ubuntu09:56
_4strOhi all ^^09:56
jeff_dims09:56
jeff_i can help you set up xfce my man09:56
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jeff_first off, un install xfce4 from synoptic09:56
jeff_that verison is an old verison09:56
MyNameIsChris_4str0: Hello09:56
steve_can anyone give me a list of their hoary sources09:57
dimshow do I uninstall?09:57
jeff_just open up synoptic and de select it09:57
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dimsok, let me try09:57
_4strO:)09:57
wheelbarrI'm trying to boot from the hoary live CD on a toshiba 2210CDT and all I get is the mouse, works fine, but nothing else. Checked the web site and the 2210CDT is said to work fine. Any ideas ?09:57
jeff_once you have that done, click on this link and follow it step by step. it should have you finished in no time09:57
[Zenith] dims, or you can use apt-get remove "package"09:58
steve_can anyone give me a list of their hoary sources09:58
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virtualdmeew09:59
viper12gads.10:00
jeff_dims: this page should get you the newest verison. you'll need to compile from source, though10:00
jeff_but its simple step by step directions that even i could figure out.10:00
jeff_http://www.tuxme.com/node/35810:00
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viper12sometimes troubleshooting via text/typing is WORSE than a friggin' game of telephone. shakes head.10:00
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viper12<vent mode off.10:01
dimsjeff, in synoptic I remember it install the whole lot of other stuff when I marked xfce4, how do i get rid off it all, then?10:01
jeff_dont worry about that10:01
the_grey_ghostis there a free hardware testing program on the internet10:01
jeff_see, im pretty sure the verison in synptoic is 4.010:02
jeff_you probally want 4.210:02
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jeff_just de select all the xfce packages, the rest are probally going to be helpful when you compile the sources10:02
jeff_k once that is done, goto http://www.tuxme.com/node/358 and follow step by step10:03
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dimsyes 4.2, OK10:03
jeff_you'll be up and running the cholerstrol free enviroment in no time10:03
the_grey_ghostI have allot of buggy hardware to analyse. Ie where does the memory tester in Grub come from?10:03
the_grey_ghostJust Use ICE10:03
the_grey_ghostWhy Xfce?10:03
jeff_if you need any help just le tme know10:03
jeff_i duno i like the feel of it10:04
jeff_use the mouse wheel to use between desktops10:04
jeff_to each his own though10:04
the_grey_ghostTrue10:04
dimsthanks, jeff10:05
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jeff_website is helping?10:05
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heyrhetthow do i set up the contrib repo?10:11
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membreyado get apt-get to install all files including "recommended packages" is it apt-get install -f ?10:12
membreyanevermind :P10:12
xinelokies im trying to set up my epson stylus c45 usb printer, ive read through the forums but haven't been able to get it working, ive got cups and foomatic installed any ideas?10:12
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selinium_hi all, anyone able to help with getting a plam os device talking to ubuntu?10:14
selinium_palm even10:14
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selinium_hi all, anyone able to help with getting a palm os device talking to ubuntu?10:19
MyNameIsChriswhich Palm?10:19
MyNameIsChrisSay z72 and I can help10:20
selinium_MyNameIsChris: The ique 3600 from garmin.10:20
Myrtticould you recommend me a good sftp / scp / ftp program with a tolerable GUI?10:21
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MyNameIsChrisOkay, have you tried gpilot?10:21
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membreyaMyrtti: gftp? :P10:21
scolbeheh.. did an upgrade from warty to hoary and synaptic managed to uninstall it self.. ;)10:21
Myrtti:-o10:21
Myrttimembreya: one of those programs without .desktop-file?10:22
selinium_MyNameIsChris: I have but I cant get it to talk! The gpilot conduit is supposed to support the ique. it is probably a settings thing. Or it isnt detecting the cradle or soomething?10:23
MyNameIsChrisI know10:23
MyNameIsChrisOne second10:23
MyNameIsChrisDo a lsusb while I find it10:23
selinium_MyNameIsChris: ANother new command learnt! CHeers10:24
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MyNameIsChrisWell, there is a devices.xml file somewhere. Add the vendor and device id to it. I'll keep looking for it but you try too10:25
MyNameIsChrisGot it10:25
MyNameIsChris/usr/share/gnome-pilot/devices.xml10:25
selinium_MyNameIsChris: LOL give me a chance! :P10:25
MyNameIsChrisYou should be able to work it out from what is alread in the file10:26
MyNameIsChrisI am on a roll10:26
selinium_MyNameIsChris: Ok one mo.10:26
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Echylohow to get win32 codecs again?10:28
Echylomarillat or what was it?10:28
selinium_MyNameIsChris: It is already in there, the third one down.10:28
MyNameIsChrisSome Vendor and device ids?10:28
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selinium_MyNameIsChris: <!-- Garmin Ique 3600 -->10:29
selinium_<device vendor_id="091e" product_id="0004"10:29
Echylodeb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main10:30
MyNameIsChrisWhat does your lsusb say?10:30
Echylois this the corret marillat?10:30
Echylocorrect*10:30
selinium_MyNameIsChris: I have just got to find it again. Too many windows!10:30
MyNameIsChrisBus 001 Device 002: ID 0830:0061 Palm, Inc., vendor=0830,device=006110:30
MyNameIsChrisThat is mine10:30
MyNameIsChris0830:006 is the important part10:30
selinium_MyNameIsChris: Bus 002 Device 003: ID 0403:fc82 Future Technology Devices International, Ltd10:31
MyNameIsChrisSure that is it?10:31
MyNameIsChrisAdd <device vendor_id="0403" product_id="fc82" />10:32
selinium_MyNameIsChris: Nope but it is the only value showing on the lsusb10:32
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MyNameIsChrisTry adding10:33
MyNameIsChrisit10:33
MyNameIsChrisoops10:33
selinium_I have just moved the usb to somewhere an old usb1.1 port to see if there is any change in the lsusb10:34
MyNameIsChrisOkay, I had this problem with my palmOne Zire 7210:34
MyNameIsChrisMake sure it is on10:34
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selinium_MyNameIsChris: Bus 001 Device 002: ID 091e:0004 Garmin International looks a bit better!10:36
dimsjeff?10:37
MyNameIsChrisBugger, that is not the problem10:37
MyNameIsChrisusb?10:37
MyNameIsChrisOops10:37
MyNameIsChrisWHat I meant to say10:37
MyNameIsChristtyusb1?10:38
dimswhen i ran sudo ./xfce4-4.2.0-installer.bin I get an error that compiling installer gui is failed10:39
selinium_MyNameIsChris: In the gpilot setup it have values for /dev/pilot and /dev/ttys0-310:39
MyNameIsChrisTry ttyusb110:40
heyrhettI installed firefox 1.0.1 in /usr/local/firefox, and now i can't install the flash plugin10:41
MyNameIsChris/dev/ttyusb110:41
selinium_MyNameIsChris: Ok, doing it know10:41
selinium_MyNameIsChris: now even10:41
selinium_MyNameIsChris: Still no joy :(10:43
selinium_MyNameIsChris: I am using the gpilot druid. Should i be doing this at  command line?10:43
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da_bon_bonhi all10:44
selinium_hi da_bon_bon10:44
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da_bon_bonanone here on the hoary 2.6.11 kernel got vmware running ?10:44
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da_bon_bonselinium_: hello10:46
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MyNameIsChrisselinium_: I am out of ideas, they are the two problems I have10:47
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MyNameIsChrisTry creating a udev rule for /dev/pilot10:48
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selinium_MyNameIsChris: Now your talking like i konw what i am doing!10:49
MyNameIsChrisI am not totally sure how to do it in this circumstance. Someone in this channel will know how to write one using the vendor and device ids10:49
MyNameIsChrisopen /etc/udev/udev.rules10:50
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ironwolfanyone gotten bluetooth to work?  specifically sending a file from ubuntu to a bluetooth phone?10:51
selinium_ironwolf: there is loads of stuff on google to try.10:52
selinium_MyNameIsChris: I have it open and backed up10:52
MyNameIsChrisI must work it out10:52
selinium_k10:52
MyNameIsChrisI have done it before10:52
ironwolfselinium_:indeed, some of it conflicting info.  Hence asking here.10:53
selinium_MyNameIsChris: :)10:53
selinium_ironwolf: Which phone?10:53
selinium_ironwolf: is your bluetooth dongle10:54
selinium_ironwolf: is you bluetooth dongle10:54
selinium_ironwolf: which bluetooth dongle10:54
selinium_ironwolf: Sorry10:54
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ironwolfselinium_: the belkin 100 meter adapter, and a motorola v600 phone.10:55
selinium_selinium: have you got the bluetooth working at all?10:55
selinium_ironwolf: have you got the bluetooth working at all? is it just your phone?10:56
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ironwolfselinium_: nothing works yet.10:56
selinium_ironwolf: ok10:56
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selinium_ironwolf: have you looked in synaptic, under bluetooth?11:00
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ironwolfselinium_: I installed gnome-bluetooth... but so far that's it.11:00
selinium_ok11:01
MyNameIsChrisselinium_: I cannot work it out, is /dev/ttyusb1 there when your pda is on and gone when it is off?11:01
selinium_MyNameIsChris: I will look.11:01
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ironwolfselinium_: synaptic gives me gnome-bluetooth11:02
membreyalo selinium_ :)11:02
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da_bon_bonanyone got vmware working on the kernel 2.6.11-1-686 ?11:03
selinium_membreya: hi there!11:03
selinium_ironwolf: have you got libbluetooth1 installed?11:04
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CspnicoHi11:05
da_bon_bonanyone got vmware working on the kernel 2.6.11-1-686 ?11:05
CspnicoMy Xfee86 server doesn't work how i can reeinstall them?11:05
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da_bon_bonon hoary ?11:05
selinium_MyNameIsChris: Strange? usb0 is there constantly, but when i click sync both 1 and 2 come up aswell11:05
ironwolfselinium_: dpkg says yes.11:05
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ironwolfda_bon_bon: when did 2.6.11-1 come out?11:06
MyNameIsChrisTry 1 and 2 and if they don't work I am sorry I cannot help11:06
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da_bon_bonironwolf: long back11:06
MyNameIsChrisIt worked fo rme11:06
MyNameIsChrisfor me11:06
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P229is there an ETA for hoary final?11:08
da_bon_bonP229: april11:08
ompaulP229, April11:08
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selinium_MyNameIsChris: Cheers for the pointers. I will carry on giving it a go!11:09
ironwolfda_bon_bon: hadn't appeared on my radar yet.  Checking apt-get dist-upgrade now to see if it's automagically there.11:09
MyNameIsChrisGood luck, I am sure it is something obvious11:09
membreyaooo only one month to go :)11:09
P229heh, just in time to provide relief from tax season11:09
MyNameIsChrisIf it is in devices.xml it should work11:09
ompaulP229, you could move to somewhere that Tax is October 3111:10
MyNameIsChrisompaul: You typed faster, it was the lag that got you11:10
ompaulMyNameIsChris, haha11:10
selinium_MyNameIsChris: Cheers for all the pointers, the missus has just put breakfast infront of me so I will let you know how I get on in abotu15 mins!11:10
da_bon_bonompaul: :)11:10
P229ompaul: what I'd really like is for taxes to stop bleeding me dry11:10
ompaulP229, in two words value chain11:11
da_bon_bonPLEASE HELP -- quite strange -- http://rafb.net/paste/results/c8oVqc64.html11:12
P229ompaul: in my language the two words are "tax break"11:12
P229heh11:12
ompaulda_bon_bon, ooch11:14
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KeiwFREE ****** www.otomotivshow.com11:14
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da_bon_bonompaul: ??11:15
P229ok, where's an op11:15
ompaulda_bon_bon, I read that post11:15
ompauls/post/paste11:15
da_bon_bonompaul: and whats the conclusion ?11:15
ompaulI am trying to think of something that might be helpful11:16
da_bon_bonplease, ompaul, i am confused!11:16
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P229da_bon_bon: do you have the source for kernel 2.6.11-1-686 installed?11:18
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da_bon_bonP229: i ahve the source for 2.6.11 not 686 - there isnt one11:19
ompaulda_bon_bon, http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0007.3/0587.html  <-- this is an old reference to that issue it may explain more background to some of the problem11:19
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P229da_bon_bon: but what about 2.6.11-1?11:19
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da_bon_bonP229: i dont think thers something like that too11:20
ompaulda_bon_bon,  http://www.faqts.com/knowledge_base/view.phtml/aid/22369/fid/1144  <-- that was the same error with a previous version on debian11:21
da_bon_bonompaul: thanks a lot man11:22
P229da_bon_bon: ugh... listen to ompaul11:22
da_bon_bonP229: thanks anyways :)11:23
P229heh, no problem11:23
da_bon_bonompaul: thats vmware for windows - i am trying to install vmware on linux11:23
ompaulda_bon_bon, if you need vmware have you looked at Xen ?11:23
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ompaulda_bon_bon, ahh11:24
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danny666hi11:25
MyNameIsChrisHello danny11:25
danny666can somebody tell me how i can get my soundblaster live 5.1 to play 5.1?11:25
Madeyehey, I'm having problem in my internet connection, I can connect to anything except the HTTP, any idea?11:25
danny666router?11:26
da_bon_bonompaul: whats Xen ?11:26
Madeyedanny666, No, ADSL model11:26
ompaulda_bon_bon, as far as I can figure out it is FOSS xen I have not had time or opportunity to test it but I know one guy who raves about it - he has been using FOSS since the 80'211:27
ompaul80's even11:27
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danny666sorry then i dont know11:28
ompaulback before there was a linux11:28
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da_bon_bonompaul: and who is that ?11:31
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ompaulwho was using it back then :-) I didn't know him then but barry flanagan the man who brought affordable internet access to Ireland11:32
da_bon_bonompaul: Xen cant emulate windows! :P11:32
ompaulda_bon_bon, so be it :)11:32
da_bon_bonompaul: well, i am getting the headers. maybe that will work /?11:34
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TPCwhats the difference between flashplayer-mozilla and flashplugin-nonfree?11:34
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da_bon_bonompaul: well, due to lag, i wont be getting ny messages. so, thanks a lot.11:35
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baikonurhi, can I use the live cd to install ubuntu as you can do it with some versions of knoppix?11:37
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lifeAcolyteCan I use a regular Debian unstable link in my sources.list?11:40
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ironwolfbaikonur: not on warty/stable, but if you have the live DVD of hoary, then yes.11:45
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AngryClipif I move my /home dir into a Fat32 fs, will I run into problems? or will there be a noticable speed decrease?11:54
Ribsprobabily11:55
Ribswhat would posses you to do such a thing?11:55
AngryClipwill there by any problems that I am not forseeing, and will it play nice if I set the windows "My documents" folder into the same place?11:56
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RibsAngryClip: backup first11:56
RibsI can't see it working11:56
Ribsas fat32 has no concept of user ownership11:56
AngryClipoh11:57
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RibsIt's the FS Windows 9x uses, right?11:57
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AngryClipyeah11:57
Ribshell, I'm not a *nix expert either :)11:57
AngryClip:P11:57
RibsI can't see it working then11:57
ompaulRibs, it does have a concept of ownershipi it is the anarchy concept the strongest program can do what it likes :)11:57
AngryClipnever mind, it was just an idea11:58
AngryCliplol ompaul11:58
Ribssuccess breeds Mircosoft11:58
Ribstsk tsk11:58
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ompaulAngryClip, why are you thinking of moving your /home into a fat32 dir?11:59
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lunitikompaul: apparently so he can use it for /home/him and his personal stuff on Windows...11:59
AngryClipompaul: because I do a lot of work in /home, and occasionly I need to use it in windows but I forget to move it to the windows partion so it can't access it12:00
AngryCliplazyness I guess12:00
lunitikompaul: actually not a bad idea -- if there was less chance of it breaking things  :P12:00
lunitikAngryClip: you know there are free ext3 drivers for windows?12:00
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AngryClipno I didn't12:01
AngryClipare they reliable?12:01
AngryClipcould I point my "My Documents" folder to the /home then?12:01
ompaulAngryClip, so write a script that on shutdown copies the relevant files to fat32 or just kill off windows and do all the work from Linux :)12:01
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lunitikAngryClip: I haven't seen any complaints...12:01
AngryClipor would that also bork things up a tad12:01
lunitikAngryClip: you can point it anywhere if you grab TweakUI ...12:01
AngryClipI do do most of my work in linux ompaul12:01
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AngryClipit's just VB via crossover office sometimes gets unpredictible12:02
AngryClipyou can point it anywhere without tweakui12:02
AngryClipjust open up windows explorer, right click on it and choose the path12:02
mactinyguys this may be an idiot questioin.. but hpw do u change to root user right after an install12:02
mactinyim new12:02
mactinyto it all12:02
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mactinythere didnt seem to be an option ot set the root pass during install12:03
mactinyor am i missing something12:03
ompaulmactiny, you can launch the "root terminal"12:03
mactinyu need a pass for that12:03
AngryClipyou can give root a password via12:03
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mactinyyeah12:04
padraigmactiny -  http://ubuntuguide.org/#gainrootmodifykernel12:04
mactinythankyou12:04
lunitikAngryClip: one example: http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/ext2ifs.htm12:04
mactinygreatly appreciated12:04
padraigmactiny - actually STOP!12:04
padraigwrong url ;-)12:04
mactinyk12:04
mactinyhehe12:04
mactinyok12:04
AngryClipsudo passwd root12:05
AngryClip^^^^12:05
AngryClipthen you can use the12:05
AngryClipsu12:05
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AngryClipas normal12:05
AngryClipty lunitik12:05
TPCor just sudo su12:05
ompaulmactiny the concept is that you use sudo for root tasks and not give a password to root so youy can sudo su - if you really feel like being root12:05
TPCand use your normal pass12:05
mactinyyou may need to explain.. im new to linux12:05
mactinywat is sudo12:06
mactinywhat*12:06
P229do as superuser12:06
padraigmactiny - its worth having a look here -> http://ubuntuguide.org/#setchangeenablerootpassword12:06
ompaulmactiny  sudo, sudoedit - execute a command as another user12:06
mactinyok12:06
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AngryCliplunitik: you can't write with that12:06
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AngryClipnevermind, when I have finished this module at uni in a few months I can get rid of windows completely12:07
ompaulAngryClip, you could have another "segment" of the machine on fat32 where you put work that you "share"12:07
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mactinyim not sure if developers are here, but what does the future hold for ubuntu12:09
AngryClipompaul: that is what i am doing atm12:09
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tp__hi, I have a new hoary install on an ibm t42.. I've having problems with reconnecting to my wireless router. Upon reboot wireless comes up fine. If I cycle the router then I lose wireless and can't get it back at all without a reboot?12:09
ompaulAngryClip, ahh12:09
AngryClipI just thought they could of been a more elgant solution12:09
Goshawkdoing ls /dev/fb* i find only fb0, where are all the others fbx?12:09
AngryClipI shall survive :D but thanks anyway12:09
kratzer54847noobs!12:10
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tp__just for information - I'm a happy ubuntu user on other fixed and wireless computers in our business.12:11
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selinium_aargh, I have been trying to get ubuntu to talk to my Palm OS iQue 3600 for about 2 hours now.. Help!12:12
kratzer54847noobs!12:13
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mactinyi know you all would argue it is ready already, but when do you think ubuntu will reach a point of maturity whereby itll be a easy change over from xp, with no "Bugs". Lets face it, getting the basics working under windows is much easier.12:13
mactinyi really hope itll fulfill its potential12:14
mactinywhere is the community heading with it12:14
AngryClipmactiny: I don't think so tbh, take my laptop for example, in windows if I plug a mouse in then I need to install drivers etc wheras in ubuntu I just plug it in and it worked12:14
selinium_mactiny: You sound like a reporter!12:14
tp__mactiny: when hardware suppliers pay a fraction of the attention to linux drivers as they do to windows drivers, it may happen12:14
mactinyim not12:14
ompaulkratzer54847 given the diversity of language finding a new and more impressive statement might be worth exploring :)12:14
ompauldoh!12:15
mactinyso u say the problem is with hardware suppliers12:15
mpathyhelp! got a problem with hotplug.. my pc freeezes at startup12:15
tp__ompaul: how about.. hmm.. I seem unable to answer these questions but have to say something anyway?12:15
selinium_ompaul: I think kratzer54847 has found the up arrow!12:16
tp__mactiny: I'm saying they could make the situation a lot easier12:16
ompaultp__, yes12:16
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mactinyyeah i get that12:16
mactinyso where is ubuntu heading12:16
ompaulmactiny, really the problem is with people buying from suppliers that sell hardware that does not work with linux12:16
selinium_mpathy: hotplug freezes on a few things it cant start but will continue on. Have a look at www.ubuntuguide.org for more info12:17
mactinylike winmodems12:17
mactinyfor example12:17
tp__mactiny: heres a good example, I just bought a new laptop and chose an ibm t42. It worked pretty much out of the box...12:17
mpathybut i disconnected all USB things and it doesnt continue.. even if I wait a hour12:18
ompaulmactiny, well I have always insisted on serial just to make the point for over last 10 years12:18
selinium_mactiny: As a new ubuntu/linux user i have to say i am impressed with not only the stability, but also the security of linux systems. If people wake up to the fact that if they only use a pc for email and browsing , there is no point install costly microsoft software12:18
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mactinydo you think it is realistic to think linux can win, considering what is against it12:19
mactinyyeah i understand that12:19
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tp__it's already won.. I may be thinking of a different war though ;-)12:19
mactinythe problem is, basic things like installing software are kinda hard compared with windows12:19
mactinyhaha12:19
mactinythe war of numbers*12:19
_4strOit seems to be defferent now12:20
mactinywell thats the war im thinking of12:20
selinium_mactiny: using synaptic i find is easier than installing a MS product12:20
_4strOon ubuntu u only have to launch synaptic12:20
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_4strOand search ur soft12:21
_4strOand click install12:21
mactinysimply things like, the theme's. I found the main defualt theme to be the only profesional theme12:21
_4strOdon't have to search on the web12:21
mactinythe others were clearly still being developed12:21
ompaulit has won - people, in particular microsoft, are going on in the same way, but the change is happening, let us examine for a moment the FireFox situation, it is now over 10% of the browser market, people are wondering is there more of this stuff out there it is happening, it just does not go the way that the Microsofts expect12:21
_4strOjust search a package name12:21
selinium_mactiny: no discs to lose/corrupt. All your software gets updated if available. If a new release is out there you know about it12:21
spiralhi12:21
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mactinyis there a clear line drawn between developed software, and young software12:22
BeTathat's strange... here synaptic does not show me anything in categories12:22
mactinyis it a thing of simply experience telling you which is good12:22
ompaulmactiny, only in the mind of the viewer :)12:22
BeTaI'm running warty on ppc12:22
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ompaulspiral, hi12:22
tp__mactiny: although ubuntu is currently losing the 'dropped wireless connection' war12:23
BeTathat's strange, in the trail bar, synaptic says "3 packages listed, 1084 installed (...)"12:23
tp__mactiny: I think that war may be localised though12:23
selinium_mactiny: what would make you choose between mcaffee or a synaptic antivirus product?12:23
ompaultp__, my wifes machine does wireless on warty no problems at all12:23
mactinythats the thing, you have to play for the more "Non enthusiast  " viewpoint for what looks good12:23
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tp__ompaul: I've got other machines working fine.. this one works for a while but if the wireless is interupted, it won't reconnect without a reboot12:24
ompaulmactiny, you defeat your own arguement., the non enthusiast is not going to explore themes or at least will go back to the original12:24
mactinydont you think there should be a clear ine drawn between developed and developing software12:24
tp__ompaul.. I'm thinking it might be suspend issues...12:24
mactinywell, my point is that the defualt, may be fairly professional, but i dont think the non enthusiast will like it12:25
ompaultp__, try sudo dhclient it might be useful12:25
mactinyits to dark12:25
selinium_mactiny: Why? Microsoft have been releasing beta software for 20 years12:25
tp__ompaul: ok... looking12:25
mactinymy point is, that for somone who doesnt know the linux ongoings, and who only has experience in the microsoft world, will find it a huge task to learn which is good and whoch isnt in the linux world dirung vchange over12:26
ompaulmactiny, the real situation here is that you are spoilt for choice - you can import your own desktop background, for instance I use nasa images12:26
macewananyone tried poppler with evince?12:26
mactinyi think you right12:26
tp__ompaul... unfortunately not, just tried rediscovering. can't think why a hard restart would work where updown won't12:26
jdubmactiny: that's why we ship the best of the best, so they don't have to choose. :-)12:27
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mactinyahha12:27
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mactinythe thing is you haev to tell people what they need to like, because they dont know themselves12:27
mactinyand finding out, takes time and effort12:27
mactinywhich they may not be willing to gove12:27
tp__what does a hard restart do to networking that networking restart and ifupdowns won't12:27
jdubsure, but that's what we do12:27
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ompaulmactiny, and you change car and the indicator is in a different location, the wipers too the petrol tank you adapt there is a minor price for the change - if you are not willing to pay it then maybe just maybe you need to do some more thinking about what it is you need a computer for and why it is you are using one in the first place12:29
cavediverHi guys. Can someone confirm a broken Openoffice2 in Hoary?12:29
cavediverI can't install it-.12:29
mactinydont you think a few more "candy" items are needed in the defualt release12:29
ompaulcavediver, I can't it worked for me last night12:29
mactinyi agree ompaul12:29
spiralcavediver: yesterday it worked... and I don't think it is updating right now12:29
cavediverStrange.12:29
mactinymy point is "non enthusiasts" dont see it that way12:30
ompaulmactiny, if you want such things document them, go to the ubuntu site get a logon, join in the ideas pool12:30
cavediverI get this:  openoffice.org2-common: Depends: openoffice.org2-core (> 1.9.76) but it is not installable12:30
selinium_aargh, I have been trying to get ubuntu to talk to my Palm OS iQue 3600 for about 2 hours now.. Help!12:30
cavediverE: Broken packages12:30
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tp__selenium:what problems you having?12:31
ompaulcavediver, can you do apt-get install openoffice.org2-core12:31
mactinywell i would prefer to mouth off here :) .. i havent got the time to help with development. The truth is, and i may be wrong, but i think people like ubuntu because its heading strongly in the direction which i am talking about12:31
ompaulcavediver, sorry stop12:31
mactinyhehe12:31
mactinybut that doesnt mean i appreciate what u gusy are doing12:32
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ompaulcavediver, cavediver do this first - apt-cache search openoffice.org2-core12:32
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selinium_tp__ I cant get Ubuntu to discover it! I have lsusb it and it shows it has found the iQue but i cant get them to connect12:33
wheelbarrI'm trying to boot from the hoary live CD on a toshiba 2210CDT and all I get is the mouse, works fine, but nothing else. Checked the web site and the 2210CDT is said to work fine. Is this the right channel for this  ?12:33
nburana#python12:33
ompaulcavdiver that should tell you what you want to apt-get12:33
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wheelbarrok who do i have to sleep with ?12:33
ompaulwheelbarr, yourself?12:34
wheelbarrthats not what my wife thinks :/>12:34
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mactinyi just hope, that ubuntu sees things from the perspective of the client, who are mostly "dumb". They need lots of pretty pictures, and nice sounds to keep their attention. But from my view, and its an unimformed one, it seems that many linux developers see things from their "ooh, do you know what under the bonnet" perspective. Am i worng in thinking that.12:35
mactinythus the enthusiast idea12:36
selinium_tp__ The palm conduit devices.xml contians the right refeerences for the iQue. I dont know where to go from here!12:36
cavediverompaul: strange.12:36
Chipzzmactiny: part of where you're wrong is that most distributions dont produce code12:37
cavediverompaul: Today i can se or2-common but not org2-core12:37
mactinythe point is, linux may be a glorious beast under the bonnet, but it doesnt matter if those that never look under the bonnet are the ones that buy it.12:37
ompaulmactiny, I evangelise linux a `lot` I think that that perception is changing, after all who ever got sacked for buying $TLA :) it happens12:37
mactinyplease explain? i am trying to learn something hear12:37
Chipzzif you're talking about implementing new visible features for the sake of the dumb people, that's upstreams task anyway12:38
mactinyi guess my main point in speakign with you all here, is to understadnt the linux community12:38
mactinyif i think you right, then ill evangelise with you12:39
jdubmactiny: i think it's pretty obvious by the way we're doing things that we're not solely concentrating on 'enthusiasts'12:39
mactinyyeah, i see that with ubuntu12:39
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mactinyand it excites me12:39
jdubright, so you know the answer to your own question, then, by the looks of it12:39
tp__selenium: sorry... can't help :-(12:39
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mactinyim trying to find out if my excitment is warranted12:39
mactinyhehe12:40
ompaulmactiny, GNU/Linux is open and a herd of cats as Linus said, so go commit yourself to it12:40
danny666i have soundblaster problems can somebody please help?12:40
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selinium_mactiny: I am a PC enthusiast, not a linux enthusiast. I choose the best programs for the job. Linux has proven to be the best. No viruses, Great support from other users... Unheard of from Windows users, and above above all cost free!12:40
qosmofhola :) someone using Radeon 9200SE on hoary with xorg radeon driver? (it crash to me)12:40
danny666yes me12:40
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danny666i am having a radeon 9500pro on ubuntu hoary12:41
mactinyhow would u all rate the defualt theme out of 1 to 1012:41
selinium_mactiny: The cost of a new PC would be in the region of 300-500 pounds cheaper if you used linux instead of MS12:41
mactinyhow many of you stick ith the defualt theme12:41
danny666712:41
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mactinyyeah, the price factor does play a hug epart12:41
qosmofdanny666, could you paste your xorg.conf in a query please?12:42
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mactinyand is the theme you are using now packed into the standard ubuntu package?12:43
selinium_mactiny: I have stuck with the default theme, but there a loads of theme sites out there, the same as with windows. Just google gnome themes12:43
spiralhi12:43
danny666qosmf: use this site http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto12:43
qosmofmaybe my problem is just about agpgart kernel module, it isn't in /etc/modules12:43
danny666it helpt me alot12:43
qosmofdanny666, ok12:43
ompaulmactiny on different boxes I use slightly different themes :) so one of the boxes here is default bog standard no frills etc12:43
selinium_tp__ no worries!12:43
danny666just do everything exept for fglrxconfig12:44
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danny666read the notes12:44
mactinythx for answering my questions12:44
mactinyi appreciate it12:44
danny666if u have a nforce chipset12:44
selinium_mactiny: no problems!12:45
qosmofi don't want to use the fglrx driver (binary by ati) but the open driver included in xorg (radeon module)12:45
mactinywish u all well with you endeavours12:45
mactinybye12:45
danny666why that12:45
danny666fglrx driver is better then that12:46
selinium_can anyone help with connecting a palm handheld?12:46
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qosmofdanny666, just because 3D is important but not so much, I think I prefer a more "free" system (I don't play games)12:46
danny666is tehre noboody who can help me with my soundbladter problem?12:46
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danny666then u dont need all of this12:47
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danny666then just rconfigure ur xserver12:47
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danny666i dont know the exact command to start that12:47
deadlinehi, can i upgrade ubuntu to debian testing?12:48
ChipzzI'm wondering... how often are the ubuntu archives updated? Does ubuntu work in the same way as debian (daily dinsall runs)?12:48
Chipzzdinstall even12:48
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Chipzzdeadline: how would that be an UPgrade?12:49
deadlineChipzz: ok maybe a downgrade then, but is it possible or not?12:51
Chipzzin theory I guess... but do you want to downgrade your packages to the debian testing verions too?12:52
deadlineyes12:52
Chipzzthat's not possible, no12:53
Chipzzunless you want to put a lot of manual effort in it12:53
deadlineChipzz: ok thanks12:54
Chipzzdeadline: apt will by default only install newer packages, and since the packages in debian testing are all older, it wont downgrade anything12:55
njs12345hmm12:55
deadlineok12:55
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deadlinewhat about a apt-get dist-upgrade after replacing the apt-sources with the testing ones?12:56
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ompaulAFKdeadline to try to understand what you are doing why not do apt-cache dump and try to undstand the complexity of the task you are asking of apt12:58
ompaulAFKunderstand even12:58
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ompaulAFKyou want all that stuff to move seamlessly, if you want to write such a program go ahead :)12:59
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deadlineheh ok01:00
ompauldeadline, and be aware that you need to identify all the packages on the target machine - so you need to traverse the existing tree of installed matterials hmm01:01
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deadlinelol01:02
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scognito_hi all01:02
ompaulhi one :)01:02
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deadlineim just asking for a friend of mine. i use debian testing myself, thats why i ask...01:03
cavediverompaul: can you pls do a apt-get update and an apt-search openoffice.org2-core ?01:03
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scognito_which apt sources do you use for mono?01:03
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scognito_i got:01:03
cavediverIt doesn't seem to exist for me01:03
scognito_Err http://www.getsweaaa.com ./ Packages01:03
scognito_  500 Internal Server Error01:03
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ompaulAFKscognito_, afk means away from keyboard :) and the hoary box is 3.5 miles away from me01:04
deadlinewhats the latest ubuntu kernel image available via apt-get? linux-image-2.6.8-5-386 ? and will installing the latest image + headers be enough for a kernel upgrade?01:04
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scognito_ompaulAFK, ???01:05
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DeadZedWhen will Hoary stable be released01:10
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selinium_DeadZed: april01:11
psy__DeadZed: somewhere in april.01:11
DeadZednice01:11
DeadZedits sooo buggy right now01:11
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DeadZedwell , its ok, but ... some things dont work01:12
DeadZedI discover new bugs every day01:12
psy__do you report them?01:12
DeadZedcant be bothered01:13
DeadZedI'll check into it01:13
selinium_Would anyone know how to connect a palm device?01:13
psy__selinium_: with a plug?01:14
DeadZedselinium_ hotplug recognised my mp3 player nicely01:14
DeadZedso should it rocognise a palm01:15
selinium_psy__ :) It would be funny if i hadn't spent 2 hours already!01:15
DeadZedselinium_ maybe its some specific devices that hotplug recognises01:15
DeadZed??01:15
DeadZedmaybe theres some list01:15
psy__selinium_: sorry01:15
tp__I've added an extra user as an admin user and also added them specficailly in sudoers. I can access 'sudo synaptic' but synaptic from the menu (and other admin tools) won't work - ie don't appear01:16
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selinium_DeadZed: THere is gnome-pilot that is supposed to do it for you. I have checked my usb and it is definately connecting. Just not as far as transfering data01:17
selinium_psy__ no worrries!01:17
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psy__selinium_ :)01:18
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DeadZedselinium_ if it shows up under devices then you must be on the right path01:19
DeadZedis there a command to identify ALL devices .. like similar to  lspci01:20
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DeadZeddoes it take forever to open terminal for everyone?? In Slack it fires up INSTANTLY , but in ubuntu it just takes forever01:21
DeadZed:(01:22
apokryphosPractically instant for me, though I use konsole.01:22
DeadZedshould I get konsole instead of that standard one01:23
apokryphosIt probably won't faster if you're using Gnome.01:23
DeadZedk01:23
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DeadZedapokryphos are you using kde? is it ok in ubuntu?01:26
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apokryphosPretty sweet, yes.01:26
DeadZedhow long does it take to install it with adsl01:26
apokryphosnot long at all; you can get it from the repositories01:27
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neofeedhas Tuxracer always been that tough?01:29
neofeedI can't get past the 3rd lap. As I can not get beyon 32seconds evevn if I go full speed straight all the time.01:29
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neofeedand 30 sec is required01:29
johnnybezakneofeed: yeah its pretty hard01:29
=== DeadZed couldnt get past 3rd either
johnnybezakneofeed: i tried pressing left right constantly that seemed to help01:30
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neofeedhow is that going to help?01:30
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selinium_DeadZed: it shows under devices... But stillno joy!01:32
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DeadZedselinium_ maybe you must mount it manually01:33
=== DeadZed has never had any experience with palm devices
selinium_DeadZed: Possibly i will look into it!01:34
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Echylowhy does k3b always gives an error 'error decoding audio tracks and fails burning?01:36
thoreauputicstraight audio from a CD or mp3 audio?01:38
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Echylomp3 audio01:38
thoreauputicEchylo: you have mp3 support installed?01:38
Echylohmm01:38
Echylodon't know01:38
thoreauputicuMkulu: restricted01:38
Echylohow to check & how to install ? :$01:39
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cvxbhey google  www.otomotivshow.com  :)01:39
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thoreauputicbot is off apparently01:39
DeadZedEchylo error messange mean that it cant decode for some reason01:39
thoreauputicEchylo: hang on01:39
Chipzzany vim users in here?01:39
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thoreauputicEchylo: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats01:40
Echylothanks mate01:40
thoreauputicuMkulu: keywords01:40
thoreauputicwhere are you. uMkulu ?01:40
johnnybezaki'm just looking at the ubuntu group on audioscrobbler (the songs you listen to are sent to their server and they do stats etc.) This weeks top band of ubuntu listeners is Radiohead and the no. 1 track is greenday american idiot :)01:41
thoreauputichmm /msg umKulu works, but the bot won't talk in the channel....01:41
thoreauputicuMkulu, what is guide01:42
johnnybezakdoes anyone know of a text based msn client?01:43
thoreauputicstupid bot, uMkulu01:43
deadlinehow comes xfce isnt available in the ubuntu apt-sources? do i have to change the sources?01:46
thoreauputicdeadline: it's in universe01:47
neofeedDeadZed, weell I just passed the 3rd lap. After that TuxRacer ends ;)01:48
deadlinethoreauputic: thanks01:48
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neofeed(you won the cup - and there is no new cup to enter in )01:48
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thoreauputictesting bot, please disregard the next line01:53
thoreauputicwhat is keywords01:53
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thoreauputicuMkulu, keywords01:53
thoreauputicgrrrr01:53
jdubthoreauputic: would prefer not to have bots in here thanks01:53
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thoreauputicjdub: not my bot, and it was useful for anawers to standard questions01:54
thoreauputicjdub: I don't see the objection to that01:54
thoreauputicjdub: perhaps you could point out why?01:55
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njanthoreauputic, as long as it doesn't wind up like #debian in here.. it has to be said, use of a bot to answer a question tends to be accompanie dby incredibly rude and arrogant behaviour.01:56
thoreauputicnjan: well, so far the uMkulu bot just directs people to URLs and such01:57
njanthoreauputic, please, please don't let it get like debian. The ubuntu/#ubuntu community is one of the biggest advantages ubuntu has over plain debian :)01:58
thoreauputicrestricted formats, howtos, that kind of thing01:58
njanso no !tellthispersonwhyhismisguidedassumptionmakeshimabadperson ?01:59
thoreauputicnjan: I agree with you  - but wouldn't you say it's easier to type a keyword than constantly typing long URLs?01:59
njanthoreauputic, totally :)01:59
njanthoreauputic, the reason I mention it is, I get in lots of .. debates .. :p .. in #debian and with others in the debian community about this ;)01:59
thoreauputicnjan: well, try /msg uMkulu keywords and see if there's anything objectionable there02:00
njanespecially when the issue is something contentious and picky, like use of the word 'stable' (the english language usage vs. the debian usage)02:00
njanthoreauputic, I take your word for it; like I said I was just raising the issue because I think it's important :)02:00
selinium_Hi thoreauputic!02:00
thoreauputichi selinium_02:00
njanthoreauputic, hmm.. I take that back02:01
njan<njan> australia02:01
njan<uMkulu> well, australia is the place to be!02:01
njanvery objectionable :p02:01
thoreauputicnjan: I totally agree that #ubuntu should never become like #debian02:01
selinium_thoreauputic: I am still trying to get my palm device to work... AAAAARRGH!02:01
thoreauputicnjan: hehe - well just do "forget australia" ;)02:01
danielsfor what it's worth, I made the bot +q02:01
njan<njan> forget australia02:02
njan<uMkulu> njan: I forgot australia02:02
njanalways good :)02:02
danielsi personally belivee that bots don't have a plce in here02:02
thoreauputicdaniels: reasoning?02:02
danielsif you need to tell people stuff, then tell them stuff02:02
spiralany idea of when we will have ooo2 beta in hoary ?02:02
danielsif you need to write long extended texts, write the on the wiki02:02
johnnybezakwhat if the bots one day revolt and take the channel over metropolis style?02:02
danielsif you need to write random weird stuff like !drink or whatever, do it in /msg02:02
thoreauputicdaniels: umm... is this a community or do your views get precedence?02:02
danielsspiral: it's, er, already there02:02
danielsthoreauputic: it's a community, sure02:02
bob2I certainly agree with daniels02:03
bob2pointless bots are pointless02:03
bob2(fwiw)02:03
spiraldaniels: hmmm... I was not speaking about release m74, but about beta version...02:03
spiraldaniels: is it really in hoary ?02:03
thoreauputicbob2: agreed with the pontless aspect - but is it pointless to have keywords for common questions?02:04
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bob2thoreauputic: having the bot at all encourages abuse02:04
johnnybezakthoreauputic: it might take some of the love out of the channel02:04
johnnybezakits nice being a newb and having some one help you out02:04
johnnybezakits the open source community love02:04
danielsspiral: ooo2 is in hoary, yes02:04
apokryphosBots are good for recalling links and the like; they shouldn't be overused, and they shouldn't be getting in the way.02:04
bob2erk02:04
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sleon|tuXheelp02:05
apokryphosTo test your bot you really should be in another channel02:05
thoreauputic*shrug*  a link is a link02:05
sleon|tuXheeelp :D02:05
bob2and people don't read the FAQ, anyway02:05
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bob2sleon|tuX: you need to actually ask a question02:05
spiraldaniels: the beta2, really, not just the testing 74 release ?02:05
johnnybezakhehe we could just get a bot to say RTFFAQ! :P02:05
spiraldaniels: so what is the name of the package in this case ?02:06
njanjohnnybezak, then this would be #debian :p02:06
spiraldaniels: I just found the testing 74 release02:06
johnnybezaknjan: yeah im just jokin02:06
njanjohnnybezak, likewise ;)02:06
thoreauputicOK - doesn't bother me, and I didn't bring the bot anyway - I just found it useful to answer repeated questions that pop up all the time02:06
sleon|tuXthe problem is02:06
sleon|tuXwhen i insert cd's they are not shown on the desktop anymore02:07
sleon|tuXand then i insert audio cd's they are not played automatically anymore02:07
danielsspiral: ah, I don't know.  if it's just testing 74 or whatever, then it hasn't been updated yet02:07
sleon|tuXand now hald damon is runnins anymore02:07
sleon|tuXonly dubs02:07
sleon|tuXwhy ?02:07
sleon|tuXand how to fix that?02:07
njanfor my 2c, a bot's useful for recalling URLs and non-contentious factoids. But anything explanatory needs to be done by people or, like someone pointed out, is too lengthy to be pasted into IRC. I thoroughly dislike how bots are used in #debian.02:07
spiraldaniels: all right, so I hope it will be updated :-)02:07
apokryphosI disagree that bots *shouldn't* be here. That is a little too extreme; it's pointless searching for the same link, or venturing into my bookmarks when a command can give the link to the person in question faster, and with less effort from my side.02:07
pchillerthe RestrictedFormats wiki page mentions LAME but does not mention that it is only found in multiverse02:07
njanAnd in fact, factoids are better explained by people in any case.02:08
njanapokryphos, agreed - a lot of the time, people in here know the link is 'on the forums', but don't know where02:08
apokryphosnjan: that's obviously not necessarily true. But anyhow, the "facts" explained on a wiki or done by a person, are they not?02:08
apokryphos*are done02:08
bob2njan: they're used in that like #debian because (among other reasons) people absolutely REFUSE to read the faq02:08
njanapokryphos, what's not necessarily true?02:09
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bob2njan: which is in the /topic, and /notice'd to them on-join02:09
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help-megreetings02:09
njanbob2, True, but like I pointed out to thoreauputic, a lot of bot use in debian is accompanied by arrogance and rudeness on the part of the user.02:09
sleon|tuXbob2, and? any suggestions from super ubuntuian?02:09
apokryphosnjan: that factoids are better explained by people. Though, you'd probably have to expand on what you mean by that if we were to get technical ;-)02:09
njanbob2, I've been botted plenty of times in debian by people who obviously hadn't even bothered reading my question.02:09
njanbob2, and in a lot of instances people use the bots as weapons to bludgeon other people with, ideologically.02:09
bob2sleon|tuX: are you using hoary?02:09
sleon|tuXbob2, how to see it?02:10
help-mei have a divx file .avi but when i open it all i get is the sound on totem player02:10
bob2sleon|tuX: you don't know what version of Ubuntu you're using?02:10
help-meanyone can help me?02:10
njanapokryphos, I'm thinking about simple, one-line question answers, such as the reply to 'does ubuntu have the nvidia driver? Where can I get it?'02:10
apokryphosThere shouldn't be bots responding to things without a command from another member02:10
sleon|tuXbob2, warty02:10
bob2help-me: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats02:10
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bob2for instance, help-me obviously hasn't read the faq02:10
bob2or googled02:10
thoreauputicnjan: OK, well i guess I'll have to make me a list of keywords and use those instead02:10
njanapokryphos, which is easy to respond to with 'no, go look at this link which shows you how to get it'02:10
bob2to pull someone out at random02:10
sleon|tuXbob2, deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted universe multiverse02:10
sleon|tuXdeb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted universe02:10
help-mei did02:10
johnnybezakbob2: but thats part of the linux learning process02:10
help-mei even read the unofficial site02:11
apokryphosnjan: agreed02:11
sleon|tuXbob2, any suggestions??02:11
help-meand done what they said02:11
help-mebut still i can't get it to work02:11
njanbob2, it depends how you want your community to work. No-one ever reads all available documentation, so if you want to get pedantic, you can always tell someone to RTF M/FAQ/Documentation02:11
bob2sleon|tuX: does restarted hal work?02:11
bob2sleon|tuX: or dbus?02:11
sleon|tuXbob2, nope02:11
sleon|tuXbob2, i did02:11
sleon|tuX /etc/init.d/dbus-1 restart02:11
sleon|tuXthere is now hald is running02:11
sleon|tuXafter it02:11
sleon|tuXand also inserting media causes no reaction02:11
njanbob2, there are lots of instances of people obviously not putting *any* effort into reading the FAQ, but in my experience with online communities, the best way to get people like that to advance their learning is to actually talk to them rather than flaming them and making them feel unwelcome in a community they're probably only just coming to understand and have only just discovered.02:12
njesis it someone who know how too install D-link DWL-61002:12
njanbob2, discounting repeat offenders, that is :)02:12
bob2help-me: you read the page I gave you?02:12
bob2sleon|tuX: "tail -f /var/log/messages" and try putting it in again...does it print anything?02:12
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apokryphoshelp-me: you most probably haven't installed all of the codecs required02:13
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njanbob2, ftr, I've never managed a commmunity *quite* this big, so a lot of this is speculative, but I have extensive experience with smaller (10 - 100 users) IRC channels/communities02:13
bob2njan: sure, I agree about that02:13
bob2njan: right, most of my experience is from #debian02:13
thoreauputicI don't realy disagree with any of the points raised -  I just want to avoid looking for stuff people need to know, so i guess it's up to me to make my own shortcuts02:13
help-meyes i have read it bob202:13
sleon|tuXbob2, moment02:14
bob2njan: helping people on a case-by-case is nice for them, but hugely inefficient02:14
njanbob2, yes, I appreciate that ;)02:14
lukeskanyone know what this means: hde: max request size: 128KiB02:14
lukeskhde: 234441648 sectors (120034 MB) w/8192KiB Cache, CHS=16383/255/63, BUG02:14
lukeskhde: cache flushes not supported02:14
lukesk hde:hde: recal_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }02:14
lukeskhde: recal_intr: error=0x04 { DriveStatusError }02:14
lukeskide: failed opcode was: unknown02:14
lukesk hde102:14
help-megstreamer0.8-plugins is already the newest version.02:14
bob2lukesk: please don't paste stuff in here02:14
lukesksorry02:14
apokryphosthoreauputic: By all means, please do. It should be obvious when a bot moves from "being helpful" to "getting in the way".02:14
bob2help-me: no, you need to install totem-xine or gxine02:14
help-mew32codecs is already the newest version.02:14
help-mehummm02:15
thoreauputicapokryphos: indeed02:15
help-mei see02:15
njanbob2, but what debian doesn't always manage is automating those cases in a human way - I have to question the motives of a lot of people who have unpleasant replies to commonly asked questions - channels on freenode inevitably attract newcomers. IRC channels are designed for newcomers. If you're not prepared to deal with the inevitable breed of people who don't read before they leap, why bother expending your effort to answer questions in the first place?02:15
help-meis there any commands that i can write in a terminal to get it02:15
help-meor maybe synaptics package?02:15
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njanbob2, not a personal attack on you, but I take considerable exception with people who bother to help.. but do so in a less-than-helpful way :)02:15
apokryphosspeaking of bots ;-)02:15
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bob2help-me: read the page I gave you again02:15
sleon|tuXbob2, i become that: root@marjan:/etc/dbus-1/event.d # Mar  6 14:15:38 localhost kernel: udf: registering filesystem02:15
sleon|tuXMar  6 14:15:38 localhost kernel: UDF-fs: No VRS found02:15
sleon|tuXbob2, only after i MANUALLY MOUNTED IT AS ROOT02:16
bob2please don't use caps02:16
sleon|tuXbob2, before it i have had not messages in /var/log/messages02:16
bob2it's the IRC equivalent of screaming02:16
sleon|tuXbob2, sorry02:16
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Echylolol02:16
bob2njan: right02:16
sleon|tuXbob2, i wanted only to make it bold02:16
Echyloctrl + b02:16
Echylobold02:16
sleon|tuXbob2, so you not overread it02:16
sleon|tuXEchylo, thx02:16
Echylomanually mounted it as root02:17
bob2njan: otoh, people who spend stupid amounts of time helping people in there get worn down by person after person who doesn't read the FAQ and confuses brevity with abuse02:17
zenwhenthis works for bold02:17
bob2sleon|tuX: no, you do not need to do that, ever02:17
njansleon|tuX, *text* is what I usually use to denote bold. /text/ italicising. Most office suites understand that syntax, and it looks quite obvious..02:17
help-mebob2,  i'm downloading them over synaptic package manager02:17
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bob2help-me: cool02:17
sleon|tuXbob2, so any suggestions?02:17
help-melet's see if that works02:17
help-mecheers02:17
bob2sleon|tuX: what kernel is it?02:17
daniels(as an aside, people who are going to overlook stuff will overlook it anyway, and bold/caps/whatever will just make them more determined to do so.  people who aren't going to, won't.)02:17
njanbob2, Yup. I work in IT, I understand that :).. it varies from case to case. There's a lot of arrogance that goes along with it in certain intsances as well - especially where ideological bludgeoning is involved (the example I used earlier was the usage of the word 'stable')02:18
sleon|tuXbob2, root@marjan:/etc/dbus-1/event.d # uname -a02:18
bob2exactly02:18
sleon|tuXLinux marjan 2.6.8.1-4-k7 #1 Fri Jan 14 11:40:53 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux02:18
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sleon|tuXbob2, what should have been activated in kernel that it work??02:18
bob2sleon|tuX: I don't know, sorry02:18
bob2try asking on the list02:18
sleon|tuXok thx02:19
zenwhenhey bob2, do you run hoary?02:19
bob2njan: well, the stable thing is in the faq, too ;)02:19
Echylodamn02:19
Echylogaim crashed02:19
bob2njan: and people usually only get rude on that topic when someone comes in with a stupid comment like "OMG WOODY HAS APACHE 1.2.9??? HOW OLD"02:19
bob2but I do see your point02:19
bob2and do agree the ubuntu community is a big advantage02:19
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sleon|tuX:(02:20
johnnybezakubuntu community *makes* ubuntu02:20
njanbob2, True, but being in the FAQ doesn't give someone the right to alter the definition of a word in the english language. I've used the word 'stable' in the english language context in more than one instance in #debian where there's been a response from a community member who obviously hadn't read what I'd written and bludgeoned me because they misunderstood what they did read because they assumed something about my usage of the word :)02:20
bob2but I'd hate to see it turn into a lazy community where people expect they can just bother other people for help without reading the FAQ or whatever02:20
Echyloif some people would check www.ubuntuguide.org02:20
njanjohnnybezak, bob2, definitely. The ubuntu community rocks.02:20
Echyloit's a great place02:20
njanbob2, Also agreed. The balance is a hard one to find :)02:20
Echyloand you find the most common problems there02:20
njanbecause .. because .. because.. I need a thesaurus..02:20
bob2njan: #debian has the problem of being under constant assault from clueless people who get abusive when told to read documentation02:21
wheelbarrim i in the right channel for help with ubuntu hoary ?02:21
bob2so most of the regulars are bitter and annoyed02:21
bob2zenwhen: yes02:21
bob2which is a shame, since probably the most active 10 people in there do 90%+ of the support02:21
njanbob2, #debian needs to lease the alt.gothic special forces ;)02:21
zenwhendoes the current pango seem a bit slow to anyone?02:21
thoreauputicwheelbarr: yes02:21
sleon|tuXhow does dbus-1 on top of hal works?02:21
danielswheelbarr: yeah02:21
sleon|tuXdoes does it need to automatically mount media?02:21
sleon|tuXwhat does it *02:21
wheelbarrjust ask away ?02:21
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danielssleon|tuX: er, no -- hal runs on top of dbus-1 (it's a service that listens on dbus for events)02:22
johnnybezaksleon|tuX: you don't want to know hehe02:22
danielswheelbarr: you got it02:22
sleon|tuX:)02:22
bob2daniels: sleeeeeeeeeep02:22
njanbob2, indeed. It has to be noted, though, debian has one of the best communities of all the distros. Many smaller distros have channels that don't even have anyone alive in them.. imo, only gentoo matched debian before ubuntu came along02:22
wheelbarrI'm trying to boot from the hoary live CD on a toshiba 2210CDT and all I get is the mouse, works fine, but nothing else. Checked the web site and the 2210CDT is said to work fine. Is this the right channel for this02:22
wheelbarr?02:22
help-mehey bob2 what were the software you said i needed ? i forgotto write it down02:22
help-me:)02:22
danielssleon|tuX: err ... hal runs on top of dbus-1, and sends events out saying 'hey, someone threw a usb thumbdrive in', and then gnome-volume-manager or similar does the actual mounting02:22
bob2njan: hm, I found the gentoo irc channel to be terribile02:22
njanbob2, I've used debian for a fairly long time (a really long time, thinking about it), and that's mostly why02:22
njanbob2, howcome? (Interested)02:22
bob2njan: the clueless leading the clueless in a lot of cases02:22
johnnybezakwheelbarr: yeah the right place hehe02:22
sleon|tuXdaniels, then the problem is that hal isn't running02:23
sleon|tuXat all02:23
thoreauputicnjan: #debian is OK for the thick skinned or those who lurk for a while before asking ;-)02:23
danielswheelbarr: what do you mean 'but nothing else'?  is the screen dead?  keyboard?02:23
help-megxine?02:23
danielssleon|tuX: have you looked at the output of ps auxww?02:23
njanbob2, that's started happening a lot more recently, but you're right; that's the disadvantage of having a 'trendy' distribution.02:23
help-meand what else?02:23
wheelbarrcomes up with the splash screen to load stuff then goes blank with only the mouse working02:23
sleon|tuXdaniels, moment02:23
danielssleon|tuX: there are some bugs in g-v-m and hal lately with this osrt of thing02:23
njanbob2, if you get the right people, there are a lot of knowledgable people in there, esp. if you have a query which is well explained; the clueless tend to shy away from properly worded technical queries.02:23
bob2njan: which is something that hits ubuntu, too, but I'm not really sure what to do about. e02:23
njanbob2, careful monitoring and supervision :)02:24
sleon|tuXroot@marjan:/home/marjan/Desktop # ps auxww|grep hald02:24
sleon|tuXroot      5592  0.0  0.2  3348  732 pts/1    S+   14:24   0:00 grep hald02:24
sleon|tuXdand,02:24
wheelbarrCDrom keeps buzzing away02:24
sleon|tuXdaniels,02:24
bob2njan: except to have a good quality library of documentation that people are encouraged to read02:24
sleon|tuXdaniels, no it is not running but the dbus does02:24
sleon|tuXand hald is installed02:24
njanbob2, unless you want to start +ving competant community members to denote expertise, the only thing you can do is watch and ensure.02:24
bob2njan: the #ubuntu group of clueful regulars isn't quite big enough yet, afaict02:24
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njanbob2, It's getting there.. it's bigger than when I started using ubuntu, ~2 months ago..02:24
danielssleon|tuX: ok, then hal is broken.  cool.02:24
sleon|tuXcooool02:25
danielsbut I need to sleep now02:25
sleon|tuX:)02:25
sleon|tuXdaniels, but , the gnome-volume-manager02:25
sleon|tuXshould is also be running?02:25
bob2njan: yeah02:25
njanbob2, unfortunately, I think freenode are fairly anti-large numbers of +o and +v in channels..02:25
sleon|tuXii see it is02:25
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bob2njan: I don't think that really helps, since it centralises it too much02:25
njanbob2, I know they were when I ran an active channel on here, but then, freenode didn't really like the channel02:26
sleon|tuXgnome-volume-manager exits when hal is not running02:26
sleon|tuXok02:26
sleon|tuXso i need to start the freakin hal manually02:26
sleon|tuXthen gnome-volume-manager02:26
njanbob2, possibly not a bad thing; communities need a focal point :)02:26
sleon|tuXlets see if it will work02:26
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bob2njan: I'm pretyy convinced having a lot of good quality written docs are a solution...people can get pointed at them, and the clueful will read them and become more clueful (and helpful)02:26
bob2njan: hah, perhaps02:26
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johnnybezakbob2: i agree docs are the key02:27
njanbob2, definitely. Documentation is a big plus point, but you can have the best docs in the world and still have a nasty IRC channel if you're not careful :)02:27
bob2hah, indeed02:27
njanbob2, tbh, msdn.microsoft.com has some cracking documentation, but #windows is dead as a doornail.02:27
njanbob2, there are no good windows or microsoft-related IRC channels which I've ever managed to find, ever. There are some great mailing lists, but that's just not the same.02:27
nasdaqbut windows is all we will ever need02:27
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bob2njan: heh, yeah, windows seems to be lacking a irc support culture...Ithink part of it is the huge schism between "developes" and "users"02:28
factotumbuenos tardes02:28
factotumlol02:28
wheelbarrThe Warty Warthog worked fine, just had to change the screen res at boot. It did ask if I wanted to creat a swap file which I did, but hoary doesnt prompt me to make a swap file. Checked the help and couldnt find anything on that.02:28
factotumanyone try to apt-get gftp and run into a dep problem?02:28
njanbob2, possibly - at a high level though, there's actually quite a good commmunity of *proper* windows administrators, people who've actually bothered to learn the technology they're using before getting their MSCE02:28
zenwhenbob2, your abrasive nature was what originally prompted me to start looking elsewhere for help. I suppose the fact that I felt i was goig to be "flamed" each time I asked for help pushed me to find written documentation.02:29
njanbob2, as far as desktop users are concerned, you're spot on; but in the SME/Enterprise/Corporate marketplace, there are a lot of really clever people who really know MS technology.02:29
bob2zenwhen: I'm sorry I came across like that.02:29
bob2njan: hm, right02:29
WellyHi all, I've built a panel applet, mail notification, and it's been build and all that, however I'm unsure how to add it to the panel02:29
njanbob2, http://www.activedir.org/ <= that mailing list in particular is a good starting point if you're interested in knowing your enemy ;)02:29
bob2I have basically no experience with that side of things.02:29
njanbob2, I do ;)02:30
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thoreauputiczenwhen: heh, bob2 isn't abrasive: try lurking in #debian for a while and see what I mean ;-)02:30
njanbob2, I work with a *lot* of MS technology in my day job.. and all from ubuntu :p02:30
factotum#debian can be a nightmare02:30
thoreauputicindeed02:30
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zenwhenHoary is really frigging choppy for me right now. Upgrading to hoary has made my 3Ghz P4 system with a GB of ram feel like a 486 chugginging along.02:30
factotumits hard to hear when their up on their high-horse  :)02:30
njanzenwhen, yup. I moved from hoary => warty partly for that reason02:31
zenwhenthoreauputic, I dont go into #debian. Those people need to get laid. BADLY. They are bitter about everything.02:31
njanzenrox, and I'm a 2.2GHz p4 with 1.3gb ram02:31
njans/zenrox/zenwhen/02:31
wheelbarrso hoary is memory hungry ?>02:31
johnnybezakit's not possible to run 2 apache servers (for the web) on the same ip is it?02:31
zenwhenI like all the new stuff in hoary02:31
zenwhenbut pango seems really slow02:31
thoreauputicI used to be something of a regular in #debian, but I got really tired of the sophomoric arrogance of many in there...02:31
njanwheelbarr, no clue. But 'choppy' is a good description of it at times :)02:31
njanthoreauputic, sophomoric in what sense?02:32
zenwhenthings just render slowly02:32
zenwhenfirefox scrolls choppily.02:32
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arun--/usr/sbin/synaptic: relocation error: /usr/sbin/synaptic: undefined symbol: _ZN10pkgAcquire3RunEi    what does this mean?02:32
factotumyeah, lurking and just saying rtfm or google doesnt help anyone02:32
bob2hm, the last time zenwhen was in #debian was two months ago, and he/she got no answer, really02:32
thoreauputicnjan: people who imagine they are expert, and have ego problems - maybe sophomoric is the wrong term02:32
wheelbarris there a menu option at boot up to creat a swap file or can it be done manually ?02:32
bob2arun--: most likely that you compiled something from source02:32
johnnybezakwheelbarr: there is a good how to for this on the front page of linux.com atm02:33
njanthoreauputic, sophistic would be a good descriptor, I thought you might have been aiming for that, which is why I asked :)02:33
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arun--bob2: it is a fresh install :) from array 4 cd i guess02:33
njanthoreauputic, sophistic as in sophism..02:33
factotumwheelbarr: it can be done manualy, at least with ext3, but im not sure how02:33
zenwhenbob2, oh sure.. i did get an answer. But i was speaking of the general attitude in there.02:33
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arun--bob2: i havent compiled anything, i havent installed gcc02:33
wheelbarrjohnnybezak: thanks ill check it out02:33
bob2arun--: that's very odd then02:33
johnnybezakwheelbarr: np02:33
thoreauputicnjan: in the sense pretentious; inflated in style or manner; as,   sophomoric affectation. [U. S.] 02:33
nasdaqwhat do you mean zenwhen?02:34
wheelbarrfactotum: warty gave you the option at boot time to add swap02:34
zenwhenHelpful or not, stuck up arrogant people suck.02:34
wheelbarrthought hoary would also02:34
thoreauputicnjan: from 'dict"02:34
nasdaqyou mean many people in here is not helpfull?02:34
factotumwheelbarr: it doesn't?02:34
njanthoreauputic, it's a word I've never seen used before, but I'm guessing it has roots in the US school system, so I'm not surprised ;)02:34
factotumwow02:34
wheelbarrfactotum: couldnt find it02:34
arun--ok i will try to reinstall again02:34
factotumhmmm thats...wierd02:34
njanthoreauputic, sophistic has a similar meaning but is about 1500 years older :-D02:34
zenwhenno no, #debian is helpful if oyu cna get past the people tripping over eachother to be the first to be rude to you.02:35
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zenwhenthats all i have to say about it02:35
WellyI've found this channel to be the most useful irc channel I've found.. every other channel i've used just seems to be an outlet for people to feel superior to everyone else02:35
Tycho_Atreideshey, i dont know crap about linux and have a dilemma, can you guys help me out?02:35
njanzenwhen, I take your point, but they aren't all like that.02:35
thoreauputicnjan: here we might say "undergraduate" (which in itself is kind of a sophomoric term)02:35
njanTycho_Atreides, ask away, someone'll help if they can :)02:35
factotumI always have fun in #slackware, but this channel is quite good as well02:35
njanthoreauputic, yeah.. I think I was aware that a sophmore vaguely compared to that in the UK..02:35
njanthoreauputic, the US school system just confuses me, though :p02:36
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Tycho_Atreidesim trying to install nvidia drivers, but it tells me "You appear to be running Xserver; please exit X before installing"02:36
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Tycho_Atreideshow do i exit X02:36
Wellyi was asking for help on some SQL in #sql on efnet I think.. christ! properly up their own arse02:36
factotumnjan: i think that is what it is there for, to confuse02:36
wheelbarrI find #bash is a channel that lives by its name02:36
factotumi wake up everyday and feel the national iq dropping02:36
njanTycho_Atreides, switch to a console (Ctrl-Alt-F1), login, and sudo killall gdm and sudo killall X should do it02:36
snowblinkTycho_Atreides: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop02:36
njanfactotum, lol02:37
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lukeskhow can i get some assitance with some ubuntu problems?02:37
johnnybezakask here lukesk02:37
factotumim not saying im immune either, but when i start feeling it, i get worried02:37
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lukeski did.. but apparently i asked about it the wrong way02:37
njanlukesk, just ask your question02:37
Tycho_Atreidessnowblink: thanks, worked :)02:37
johnnybezaklukesk: we just probably didn't know an answer hehe02:38
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sleon|tuXdaniels, the script /etc/dbus-1/event.d/hal is not working02:38
wozischra.02:38
njanbbiaf02:38
wozischra_.02:38
sleon|tuXdaniels, when you do  /etc/dbus-1/event.d/hal start it says02:39
sleon|tuX* Starting Hardware abstraction layer...                                [ ok ] 02:39
sleon|tuXbut no damon was tarted02:39
lukeska friend help me setup 2 x 129GB hdd's on an IT8212 PCI card, it worked for a while, now the drives wont mount. How can i fix this?02:39
factotummust have tarted daemons!02:39
johnnybezaklol02:39
factotumheh02:39
johnnybezaklukesk: what error do you get?02:40
nanomadany1 knows if xawtv works with hoary/xorg ?02:40
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sleon|tuXfactotum, i know02:40
sleon|tuXfactotum, i know02:40
lukeskwell, error where? from the syslog or when i try mount them?02:40
factotumno biggie, just thought it was funny02:40
wheelbarrIm aware of how to make a swap partiton, but can it be done at boot time with the hoary live CD ?02:40
sleon|tuXfactotum, but dbus fires up that script and this script says ok but does nothing02:40
johnnybezaklukesk: when you try and mount them02:40
factotumthat is odd...02:40
sleon|tuXthis lazy fagg :D02:41
sleon|tuXbut i fix it manually02:41
sleon|tuXi write simply my own hal script02:41
sleon|tuXthats all02:41
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lukeski get this "mount: /dev/hdg1 already mounted or /mnt/test/ busy"02:41
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johnnybezakwell im off to bed guys night02:43
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johnnybezaklukesk: sorry i couldnt help02:43
lukesklol, thats ok02:43
lukeskanyone else know how to troubleshoot drives that wont mount?02:44
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rattboihi02:47
rattboiI was wondering if anyone could help me w/ setting up the fglrx drivers?02:47
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rattboiI'm running hoary, and I followed this guide to convert the ATI website RPM to a deb, and I installed it02:48
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rattboiand running "lsmod | grep gl" shows that fglrx module is loaded02:48
rattboibut I still have no hw accel in 3d stuff02:49
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LupiusHow to record a CD in Ubuntu? I get some funky error in the console cdrecord , and im new to GNOME02:51
cooldude127i just setup ubuntu on my ibook ppc. how can i add the debian unstable ppc sources to my ubuntu? i need an updated version of ruby02:51
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tp__does somone have a way to fix evolution imap.. I've been waiting 4 years for to refresh my folders02:57
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bretzelWow! KUbuntu is out for testing! Great news for KDE-only users!02:57
tp__after the third year I was starting to worry that I'd dropped a connection02:57
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Echylohey what about a channel for music scripts? :P02:59
Echylo#finemusic ?02:59
Echylodamn02:59
thoreauputicif only they'd found a name that didn't perpetuate the "K is for KDE" thing... :/02:59
EchyloI've been trying for 2 weeks to get a channel launche02:59
Riddellthoreauputic: I was overrules on the k thing03:00
Riddellthoreauputic: I was overruled on the k thing03:00
Echylobut no one joins03:00
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xinelthis printing prob of mine is driving me crazy :E03:01
thoreauputicRiddell: it also succeeds in trivialising the concept "ubuntu" - I think it's unfortunate03:01
xinelhave a usb printer epson C45 and can't get it too work03:01
thoreauputicthe idea itself is fine...03:01
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Riddellthoreauputic: the name came from canonical, blame them :)03:02
fluxyHello. Is Ubuntu Live Cd Modular?03:02
thoreauputicRiddell: OK - always nice to have a corporation to blame *grin*03:02
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thoreauputicRiddell: at least it will silence the "Ubuntu is just a gnome fanboy distro"03:04
thoreauputicpeople03:04
njanthoreauputic, no it won't; there are always people like that :p03:04
thoreauputicnjan: haha - how true :)03:05
njanthoreauputic, most of them attack gentoo, though ;)03:05
fluxy Is the Ubuntu Live Cd Modular?03:05
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thoreauputicfluxy: don't know - but the warty one seems to be based on morphix, so maybe it is03:07
fluxythanks, I will try to ask the morphix folks then03:08
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thoreauputicfluxy: morphix is probably what you want if you want modular03:09
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thierrywhere, in the firefox source, can I add bookmarks?03:13
hynix_modhello world03:13