[12:00] <soren9580> find is very cool
[12:00] <soren9580> thank you
[12:00] <ompaul> sabdfl, there are a couple of us looking at moving testing (daily updates) across, given that this box is the least critical it should be first to go, might be interesting to | tee all commands, I have a whole office to consider for april that is going to be fun, a couple of the developers have made the case to go Apple and got away with it - I need to get a blackberry to work with ubuntu that might be interesting :)
[12:00] <mcphail> np
[12:01] <cwillu> heh... I've lost X :)
[12:01] <sabdfl> ompaul: if you get the blackberry to work it would make a great addition to the wiki
[12:01] <ompaul> this is true
[12:02] <woodywarty> Can somebody help me out with this:   smb://192.168.x.x thing
[12:02] <woodywarty> It's not working man
[12:02] <beowuff> What's the web site for the unoffical Ubuntu faq?
[12:03] <thr1ce> what vresion of gnome does warty-release live contain?
[12:03] <zenrox> beowuff, www.ubuntuguide.org
[12:04] <andrewski> how do i set up mod_php on apache in ubuntu?
[12:04] <zenrox> thr1ce, 2.8 2.7 something like that
[12:04] <_miracoolix_> hi, i just finished installing and configuring ubuntu 4.10. i used fc3 in the meantime and it seams, that there are some newer packages in fc3. what is ubuntu hoary array-6? is there a roadmap?
[12:05] <drspin> java on hoary???
[12:05] <thr1ce> how does ubuntu do updates?  does it update software regularly, or just with new distro releases?
[12:05] <zenrox> _miracoolix_,  hoary is the devel of ubuntu
[12:05] <drspin> the METHOD0 doesn't work from the wiki
[12:05] <_miracoolix_> zenrox, i see. is it on par with debian unstable?
[12:06] <soren9580> mcphail, is there any way to make find not recursive?
[12:06] <zenrox> drspin, read www.ubuntuguide.org for java install
[12:06] <zenrox> _miracoolix_, better no major show stopers
[12:06] <thr1ce> like...lets say a new Gaim comes out; must I compile it myself ?
[12:06] <soren9580> i've tried looking through the man pages and i can't find anything
[12:06] <zenrox> thr1ce,  if your on werty
[12:06] <zenrox> warty
[12:06] <blizah> is there any terminal you can copy and paste in?
[12:06] <mcphail> i think -maxdepth may help
[12:06] <thr1ce> zenrox, and if not?
[12:07] <thr1ce> is there an update tool?
[12:07] <mcphail> mcphail: man find - it is a difficult command
[12:07] <zenrox> stick aroudn for hoary then
[12:07] <ompaul> thr1ce, you can, however you could wait for it to put into hoary and then upgrade to hoary
[12:07] <zenrox> thr1ce, ya
[12:07] <thr1ce> so it only upgrades the distro, and not the software?
[12:07] <zenrox> thr1ce, i wont recomend you to upgrade to hary
[12:08] <thr1ce> why not?
[12:08] <zenrox> warty = stable only security updates for it
[12:08] <zenrox> hoary is unstable and unreliabe at times
[12:08] <zenrox> so one day somehitng will work the next it wont
[12:09] <TomAraya> I have a question regarding Gaim.. it isn't changing my screen name, it changes but it appears the same as it did as last time I logged into MSN under Windows. It never reflects what I change it to in Gaim.
[12:09] <TomAraya> I have the stable version for Warty.
[12:09] <thr1ce> TomAraya, #gaim
[12:09] <zenrox> ya
[12:09] <thr1ce> wow...that makes me not want to try ubuntu :(
[12:10] <thr1ce> what kernel does warty ship with?
[12:10] <zenrox> 2.6.8
[12:10] <zenrox> hoary is 2.6.10 soon to be 2.6.11
[12:10] <TomAraya> thr1ce, Thrice is a good band.
[12:10] <thr1ce> so hoary is like a "current" , bleeding edge sorta deal?
[12:10] <cwillu> xorg
[12:10] <thr1ce> :)
[12:10] <zenrox> thr1ce,  yes
[12:10] <thr1ce> i'm using slackware...not sure if anyone's familiar
[12:11] <Loiosh> Heh
[12:11] <zenrox> ya some ppl do
[12:11] <Loiosh> Slackware pwnes me =)
[12:11] <thr1ce> they have a stable, and a -current; I use the -current, which updates every other day or so
[12:11] <zenrox> thr1ce,  yep
[12:11] <thr1ce> similar to that?
[12:11] <zenrox> then hoary is what you want
[12:11] <thr1ce> not tryign to start a distro war or anything...just the best comparison that comes to mind :)
[12:12] <tims> exit
[12:12] <blizah> does linux ever work like in windows you download an exe and double click install and then tell it where to install?
[12:12] <blizah> sorry im completly new at this
[12:12] <zenrox> thr1ce,  change all your warty sources to hoary then do a sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:12] <zenrox> thr1ce,  make shure x ant running
[12:12] <zenrox> and make shure xorg gets installed
[12:12] <thr1ce> is that stable?  auto-updates can screw things up...
[12:13] <zenrox> and configured right
[12:13] <TomAraya> blizah, not really, no.
[12:13] <ompaul> blizah, there is a tool called synaptic, use it and it does a lot of that kind of work for you
[12:13] <blizah> k
[12:13] <zenrox> thr1ce,  no major breaks that dont casue it to be dist-upgraded
[12:13] <zenrox> and used
[12:13] <thr1ce> ok
[12:13] <Loiosh> It won't really tell you where things are installed though, Bliz =)
[12:13] <thr1ce> i'm gonna try the live CD
[12:13] <zenrox> the array cds dont work for me
[12:13] <TomAraya> Does anyone know if there are any issues with Hoary and NDISWrapper?
[12:13] <thr1ce> does it have any other WM's, or just gnome as a DE
[12:14] <Loiosh> If you want bleeding edge, the Array 6 CD came out yesterday, thr1ce
[12:14] <zenrox> thr1ce,  kubuntu is in hoary
[12:14] <thr1ce> what abotu fluxbox?
[12:14] <cwillu> so, how would I go about getting x started again to something recognizable?
[12:14] <zenrox> you can d/l and install it just like any thange else
[12:14] <zenrox> but thay dont support it
[12:14] <zenrox> read the forums
[12:14] <thr1ce> like...I can apt-get fluxbox?  I've never used debian before
[12:14] <zenrox> for help
[12:14] <Marble2> Can someone help me out? I have my cupsd.conf file set up to share my printers and other stuff on the network, allowing 192.168.1.* to access it, but a windows computer on the network (192.168.1.11) can't access the printer
[12:14] <Marble2> any ideas?
[12:15] <andrewski> thr1ce: it's in the universe repository.
[12:15] <zenrox> thr1ce, more like sudo apt-get install fluxbox
[12:15] <zenrox> but ya
[12:15] <thr1ce> right..I guess I just was wondering if I had to install it myself, or just get it
[12:15] <thr1ce> so does horay give regular updates of things like glibc?
[12:15] <zenrox> icevwm, enlightment, wmmaker, kde ,gnome(default), and others too
[12:16] <zenrox> thr1ce, id asume so
[12:16] <Marble2> anyone?
[12:16] <cwillu> I guess that "uninstalling gdm... this can't be good" was actually the case
[12:17] <jbailey> thr1ce: Until it's released, yes.  After that just security and critical fixes.
[12:17] <thr1ce> jbailey, until what is released?
[12:17] <cwillu> abort! abort!
[12:17] <jbailey> thr1ce: Hoary.
[12:17] <cwillu> and so we reinstall
[12:18] <cwillu> why does this remind me of windows?
[12:18] <jbailey> cwillu: You shouldn't need to reinstall.
[12:18] <ompaul> cwillu, apt-get install ubuntu-desktop :)
[12:18] <thr1ce> so hoary is like the on-going development; the sort of next release in progress?
[12:18] <jbailey> thr1ce: Right.
[12:18] <cwillu> thank you :)
[12:18] <thr1ce> ok...just curious :P
[12:18] <Loiosh> Once it's released, the new software / updates will be moved to the next version
[12:18] <thr1ce> i'm gonna try the live CD
[12:18] <jbailey> thr1ce: This happened with warty before it.  It got developped until it was released, and then that's that, and hoary was born.
[12:18] <Loiosh> I don't remember the name off the top of my head.
[12:18] <rvirani> How do I install KDE on this thig?n
[12:19] <rvirani> Is there a KDE port to PPC?
[12:19] <shock> i just love ubuntu for having an allmost equally well tested powerpc version as the i368 version of stuff
[12:19] <thr1ce> so technically if I update regularly I would be already running hoary the day it's released?
[12:19] <shock> likes it alot
[12:19] <Loiosh> #KUbuntu may be a little more helpful, rvi. It's the KDE version.
[12:19] <Riddell> rvirani: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingKDE
[12:19] <rvirani> more importantly java
[12:19] <rvirani> JAVA is important
[12:19] <cwillu> I knew if I made an obnoxious enough comment I'd get an answer eventually :p
[12:19] <soren9580> when i try and run the following command, i get the following error
[12:19] <soren9580> [nicholsc@redcoats downloads] $ find /home/nicholsc/downloads/ -name '*.avi' -mindepth 1 -maxdepth 1 -exec cp '{}' /nicholsc/nottrans/ \;
[12:19] <soren9580> cp: cannot create regular file `/nicholsc/nottrans/chris.avi': No such file or directory
[12:19] <jbailey> shock: There are a few things that don't work quite as well, but we're getting there.
[12:19] <shock> thr1ce - pretty much, yes
[12:19] <shock> :D
[12:20] <shock> I know - its working like a charme here
[12:20] <soren9580> any idea why it would be saying no such file on a cp
[12:20] <jbailey> rvirani: Depends what you need from the Java.  I saw a report today that gij is able to run eclipse now in Hoary.
[12:20] <cwillu> heh... or apt-get install gdm... but I'll do the desktop anyway, I'm sure this is still horibly broken
[12:20] <shock> compared to any distro before - even native debian (packages needed a lot of private tweaks there)
[12:20] <thr1ce> is ubuntu .rpm based?
[12:20] <shock> jbailey - r u ubuntu core team?
[12:20] <soren9580> i figured it out
[12:21] <mrproper> When I try to compile something, I get configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check.  What package fixes that?
[12:21] <shock> I was looking at that "searching kernel dudes" thingy today
[12:21] <wigyori> hi
[12:21] <ompaul> rvirani, if it important to you reading the FAQ about java on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingJavaSupport/view?searchterm=java might be of help to you :)
[12:21] <zenrox> thr1ce,  ubuntu is .deb based
[12:21] <shock> might be checking back on that once my exams are done (wednesday)
[12:21] <jbailey> shock: I'm not sure what that means.  I work full time on distro, yes.
[12:21] <shock> :D
[12:21] <shock> thx man!
[12:21] <Kly> www.otomotivshow.com
[12:21] <jbailey> mrproper: bulid-essential
[12:21] <aurax> anyone here uses 915G chipset of intel on linux ?
[12:22] <thr1ce> any troubles with ATI drivers with the new kernel, or doesn't anyone use them anymore?  :P  (3d accel)
[12:22] <aurax> the D915GAVL mobo of intel*
[12:22] <wigyori> i'm trying to run 32-bit binaries on an ubuntu/amd64, but gets 'exec: no such file or directory'. when linking ld-2.3.2.so -> ld-linux.so, gets corrupted library. where should i start reading?
[12:22] <zenrox> aurax, what are you trying to do
[12:22] <airox> hi, is there a way to mount a .bin/.cue file ?
[12:23] <zenrox> airox,  no
[12:23] <rvirani> ompaul, you dont understand I am on a mac
[12:23] <thr1ce> nope
[12:23] <thr1ce> gotta bin2iso it
[12:23] <aurax> im buying 8 new desktops next week and want to make sure this mobo will work well
[12:23] <zenrox> thr1ce,  is right
[12:23] <shock> something really needed in ubuntu though is: more usb devices support (teledat isdn cards, usb wireless devices...)
[12:23] <jbailey> rvirani: I have ati 3d accell on my ppc box, but it's not very fast.
[12:23] <airox> ok, let's do that :)
[12:23] <shock> that would rock and make ubuntu the distro I'd install for customers
[12:23] <ompaul> rvirani, missed the reference
[12:23] <LinuxJones> ohh the Ubuntu-quickguide is excellent
[12:23] <thr1ce> how does one set up ati drivers on ubuntu; is it touch?
[12:24] <thr1ce> especially with 2.6.1x kernel
[12:24] <zenrox> airox, sudo apt-get install bchunk
[12:24] <shock> id shure donate some, as soon as i make money *g*
[12:24] <jbailey> thr1ce: I did mine by hand, but the ppc box I'm running isn't supported yet.
[12:24] <rvirani> jbailey, whats your point?
[12:24] <aurax> whats bchunk ?
[12:24] <zenrox> bin2iso
[12:24] <zenrox> an easer ver
[12:24] <mcphail> airox: i'm not sure if mountiso can do it (needs KDE)
[12:24] <Loiosh> Someone URLed me a nice sit for that, thr1ce
[12:24] <Loiosh> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:24] <jbailey> rvirani: Sorry, I thought you were the one who mentioned that you needed ati support.
[12:24] <thr1ce> i use the 2.4.29 kernel still...I think it's as solid as a rock :)
[12:24] <mrproper> How do I enable myself to install devel packages in Ubuntu?
[12:24] <zenrox> bchunk your.bin your.cue isoname
[12:24] <jbailey> rvirani: I'm only sort of paying attention to the channel.
[12:24] <aurax> so zenrox u think it will work well ?
[12:25] <shock> jbailey - what ati r u having? - I dont have 3d - but at least I have working suspend =)
[12:25] <zenrox> aurax, it does work
[12:25] <jbailey> shock: radeon
[12:25] <airox> Which package contains bin2iso ?
[12:25] <shock>  9600 M10 - powerbook
[12:25] <zenrox> airox,  bchunk
[12:25] <shock> thats what i have
[12:26] <zenrox> airox,  the command is bchunk your.bin your.cue yourisoname
[12:26] <jbailey> shock: Check in /var/log/Xorg.0.log for error messages then.
[12:26] <zenrox> airox, no sudo
[12:26] <shock> allright
[12:26] <airox> The command isn't there zenrox
[12:26] <zenrox> airox,  you got to do sudo apt-get install bchunk
[12:26] <zenrox> first
[12:26] <shock> I am not running an ubuntu kernel, though
[12:27] <jbailey> shock: Oh.  All bets are off then, sorry.
[12:27] <shock> still some modified kernel including one of benh's patches
[12:27] <shock> ;)
[12:27] <thr1ce> ok...suppose I'll try this live C
[12:27] <OMarin> how can I install a kernel compiled for athlon xp??
[12:27] <thr1ce> thanks for the help :P
[12:27] <shock> since it works rather well I'm still waiting for those r300 project dudes to come up with something more =)
[12:27] <shock> they rock allready
[12:27] <zenrox> thr1ce,  n/p
[12:27] <jbailey> OMarin: apt-get install linux-k7
[12:27] <thr1ce> see ya guys around
[12:28] <ompaul> have fun
[12:28] <OMarin> jbailey: thanks
[12:28] <thr1ce> always :P
[12:28] <cwillu> okay, here goes nothign...
[12:28] <cwillu> and...
[12:28] <jbailey> OMarin: Don't remove the old one until you've tested it ;)
[12:28] <cwillu> I've got hoary up on a laptop! :)
[12:28] <cwillu> now, what other trouble can I get myself into :)
[12:28] <shock> (II) RADEON(0): Direct rendering disabled
[12:28] <mcphail> airox: will this help - http://cdemu.sourceforge.net/ ?
[12:28] <shock> *sigh*
[12:28] <zenrox> cwillu,  woohoo the ubuntu virus strikes agine
[12:29] <shock> some day...
[12:29] <jbailey> shock: Yeah, but there should be something above that explaining why.
[12:29] <cwillu> heh
[12:29] <shock> (**) RADEON(0): DPMS enabled
[12:29] <shock> ?
[12:29] <cwillu> I've already put in on 400mhz intel chipset, a 1gig dell box
[12:29] <jbailey> shock: Which patch keeps you from using the Ubuntu kernel?
[12:29] <shock> oh ok
[12:29] <shock> (WW) RADEON(0): Direct rendering not yet supported on Radeon 9500 and newer cards
[12:29] <cwillu> a bleeding edge 3.3 gig
[12:29] <darkcmd> hmm... can I use different themes for GNOME.. under ubuntu
[12:29] <darkcmd> and a different GDM splash
[12:29] <jbailey> shock: That'd be the reason then. =)
[12:29] <shock> the benh sleep patch
[12:29] <mrproper> How do I get gtk-devel packages in Ubuntu?
[12:29] <cwillu> but the laptop's been troublesome for years
[12:29] <airox> mcphail: Already have the iso now :)
[12:29] <zenrox> cwillu, i have it runnin on my server warty any way
[12:29] <shock> :)
[12:29] <airox> Thanks anyway!
[12:30] <soren9580> is there a way to execute multiple commands with find?
[12:30] <shock> its like one of the sleep support patches for this kind of hardware
[12:30] <zenrox> cwillu,  400mhz celron 64 mbs of ram
[12:30] <rem> .
[12:30] <cwillu> sounds familiar
[12:30] <darkcmd> ok.. can I use the standard apt-get commands in ubuntu?
[12:30] <zenrox> cwillu,  no montor tho just a headless box
[12:30] <Loiosh> We did it with awk, Soren
[12:30] <soren9580> something like this
[12:30] <soren9580> find /home/nicholsc/downloads/ -name '*.avi' -mmin +10 -mindepth 1 -maxdepth 1 -exec cp '{}' /home/nicholsc/nottrans \; rm '{}' \;
[12:30] <airox> darkcmd: yep
[12:30] <cwillu> I'm actually using a beatrix on a 400 as a vpn server
[12:30] <shock> and since i didnt find any hints of it being integrated in te default kernel i kept using this kernel for like 5 months now
[12:30] <OMarin> jbailey: I'll do it tks
[12:30] <shock> maybe only 4
[12:30] <zenrox> cwillu,  tho i do run apps thru ssh
[12:30] <Loiosh> find . -name "*/CVS/*" | awk -i 'rm -rf {}' or something like that
[12:30] <shock> 2.6.9-ppc-sleep7
[12:30] <zenrox> on this box
[12:31] <Loiosh> I don't remember the exact command
[12:31] <selinium_> hi all, does anyone have any idea on how i can get my palm ique 3600 to talk to ubuntu?
[12:31] <zenrox> cwillu,  including the gui apps
[12:31] <blizah> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade    does that upgrade me to hoary?
[12:31] <darkcmd> airox, are the GNOME packages the standard GNOME packages.. or are they special?
[12:31] <Marble2> Can someone help me out? I have my cupsd.conf file set up to share my printers and other stuff on the network, allowing 192.168.1.* to access it, but a windows computer on the network (192.168.1.11) can't access the printer
[12:31] <shock> jbailey - could you do me a favor an check wether you 3d support enables the float - pbuffer extensions?
[12:31] <mcphail> soren9580: as i said, find is tricky. I think you can use it to call a function (hence multiple commands)
[12:31] <shock> cause that would be a point of interest to me
[12:32] <jbailey> shock: You do I check that?
[12:32] <blizah> im reading a mplayer howto install and it says first make sure everything is uptodate sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  --will that upgrade me to hoary?
[12:32] <shock> glxinfo
[12:32] <jbailey> shock: Bah.  *how* do I check that? =)
[12:32] <shock> probably |grep float
[12:32] <jbailey> shock:     GLX_SGIX_pbuffer is listed under client glx extensions.
[12:32] <selinium_> blizah: have a look at www.ubuntuguide.org it has all the commands there
[12:32] <shock> hmmmm
[12:32] <Marble2> anyone?
[12:32] <blizah> k
[12:32] <jbailey> shock: I don't see the word 'float' in here.
[12:33] <shock> i'd need to check for that one
[12:33] <darkcmd> does ubuntu use its own apt repository
[12:33] <shock> I'm trying to do matrix-calculations in the gpu - so I kindof need the float extensions ;)
[12:33] <cwillu> hmm
[12:33] <zenrox> darkcmd,  yes
[12:33] <shock> but thx
[12:33] <cwillu> I've still got disappearing synaptic syndrome
[12:33] <shock> is you suspend working?
[12:33] <shock> your
[12:33] <mrproper> Is Horay or Warty newer?
[12:33] <cwillu> hoary
[12:34] <monoxide> hoary
[12:34] <airox> Hmm.. There isn't a /dev/loop0 nod in my filesystem? Would I have to create it ?
[12:34] <mrproper> Does Horay have inotify?
[12:34] <selinium_> mrproper: hoary is the beta
[12:34] <mrproper> k
[12:34] <mrproper> It has GNOME 2.8?
[12:34] <shock> AA2.10
[12:34] <yoko-omo> wow
[12:34] <yoko-omo> core dump and everything
[12:34] <yoko-omo> nice
[12:34] <cwillu> anyone know anything about synaptic?
[12:34] <OMarin> nice site  www.ubuntuguide.org
[12:34] <airox> mount foo.iso -t iso9660 -o loop=/dev/loop0 /mnt/cdrom/ That won't work right ?
[12:34] <zenrox> airox,  read www.ubuntuguide.org
[12:35] <WillCooke> greets apokryphos
[12:35] <apokryphos> hi there
[12:35] <selinium_> Hi shock and zenrox, good to see you again!
[12:36] <shock> hoi
[12:36] <WillCooke> apokryphos, how goes it?
[12:36] <zenrox> hi selinium_
[12:36] <airox> zenrox: Thanks.
[12:36] <zenrox> airox,  n/p
[12:37] <yoko-omo> ok, post script viewer in hoary will crash your s
[12:37] <apokryphos> WillCooke: all pretty swell. Some kde issues, but they're fixing up. Yourself?
[12:37] <yoko-omo> system
[12:37] <selinium_> shock and zenrox: Thanks for all your help over the last few days. I will be glad when I have worked it all out! Can you suggest any good linux books?
[12:37] <zenrox> selinium_,  any thang that has linux in them
[12:37] <WillCooke> apokryohos, Bad!  I stuck Warty on the wife's box, and now it's fooked.
[12:38] <selinium_> zenrox: LOL!
[12:38] <zenrox> i found a good one i use that covers 5 difent distros and has good basic info
[12:38] <zenrox> all the distros are really old tho
[12:38] <zenrox> but the info is still bacickly the same
[12:38] <zenrox> still
[12:38] <apokryphos> WillCooke: Heh. Best thing I ever did to my Ubuntu ;-). 3.4 is really sweet now, too. Put some screenies on the forum.
[12:38] <mdke> help! i can't log into gnome. permissions are screwed. Anyone else got this problem?
[12:38] <blizah> gotta love being a n00b im just plugging in stuff in the terminal based on this howto to get mplayer installed :D
[12:38] <blizah> no idea what im doing :D
[12:39] <mdke> help help help
[12:39] <airox> blizah: heheeh
[12:39] <WillCooke> apokryphos, turns out the install CD I burnt was bad.  Having to download again!
[12:39] <selinium_> mdke: www.ubuntuguide.org has a few things you could try!
[12:39] <cwillu> Why.  Does.  Synaptic.  Keep.  Freezing.
[12:39] <WillCooke> apokryphos, I quite fancy trying kbuntu
[12:39] <ompaul> selinium_, I suggest the debian bible and the linux 2005 bible linux trouble shooting bible all by wiley and any number of books from oreilly
[12:39] <mdke> selinium_, hmm. I can't change the permissions in my home directory. Has it got something for that?
[12:40] <shock> off to sleep now... n8 all
[12:40] <apokryphos> WillCooke: a good idea, I think. They're testing things out at the mo. Haven't tried the iso myself. Can just use hoary and install from there
[12:40] <WillCooke> apokryphos, Why KDE instead of Gnome for you?
[12:40] <selinium_> mdke: As i remeber it has how to overide permissions in there. With an install cd and the like
[12:40] <selinium_> ompaul: Cheers for the pointer!
[12:41] <apokryphos> WillCooke: Power, efficiency, programs, options, general feel etc.
[12:41] <ompaul> selinium_, I hope you find it of use
[12:41] <mdke> Pleeeease somebody help me? My problem is thus: I cannot log into gnome and I've noticed that most of the permissions in my home directory are not readable for my user. I have attempted to change the permissions as root as nothing happens. Help!
[12:41] <mdke> selinium_, will have a look
[12:41] <LinuxJones> mdke, create a new user account and log into that one
[12:41] <mdke> LinuxJones, ok i'll do that
[12:41] <mdke> LinuxJones, will that help?
[12:41] <LinuxJones> mdke, yes
[12:42] <selinium_> mdke: yuo can then sudo with the new user
[12:42] <mdke> LinuxJones, how?
[12:42] <mdke> ah is that the reason?
[12:42] <OMarin>  use
[12:42] <OMarin> [20:41:52]  <mdke> Pleeeease somebody help me? My problem is thus: I cannot log into gnome and I've noticed that most of the permissions in my home directory are not readable for my user. I have attempted to change the permissions as root as nothing happens. Help!
[12:42] <LinuxJones> mdke, it will create all necessary files with correct ownership
[12:42] <OMarin> soory
[12:42] <mdke> LinuxJones, yes but what about my previous user?
[12:42] <WillCooke> apokryphos, I haven't used KDE for ages, I always thought it was a little "heavy" compared to gnome.  KDE certainly looks pretty
[12:43] <selinium_> Anyone here connected ubuntu to a palm device?
[12:43] <ompaul> if you can create such a user you can edit /etc/sudoers and make your new user have access to `ALL`
[12:43] <woodywarty> Is Gentoo more secure than Ubuntu ?
[12:43] <selinium_> Goodnoght shock!
[12:43] <WillCooke> selinium, yes and no!
[12:43] <ompaul> mdke that last comment by me was for you
[12:43] <mdke> ompaul, yeah but i'll need to be root to do that
[12:43] <cwillu> what do you mean by security?
[12:43] <LinuxJones> mdke, or you could try chown -R user:user /home/userfolder  ie user= user account name
[12:43] <WillCooke> selinium, Yes I have, No it doesn't work (properly)
[12:43] <apokryphos> WillCooke: first word that came to my mind with the new kde was "lite", funnily enough :D. Heh. I don't think KDE or Gnome suits everyone. Different needs, different tastes, different aesthetics.
[12:44] <cwillu> out of the box?  as a server?
[12:44] <soren9580> how do i tell when my crontab has been executed?
[12:44] <cwillu> coffee shop?
[12:44] <mcphail> selinium_: Linux books? Try Linux from Scratch - you'll learn a lot
[12:44] <mdke> LinuxJones, it already has the right owners.
[12:44] <cwillu> woodywarty
[12:44] <mcphail> soren9580: you should get mail
[12:44] <soren9580> cool
[12:44] <warty_> hello
[12:44] <mdke> cron should log as well
[12:44] <selinium_> Cheers mcphail I'll give it a look!
[12:45] <airox> hi warty_ :))
[12:45] <LinuxJones> mdke, well something is messed up try creating the new user account
[12:45] <warty_> seems like ubuntu liveCD doesn't support smbmount huh?
[12:45] <mdke> LinuxJones, ok what groups?
[12:45] <WillCooke> apokryphos, I'm told CD/DVD burning is a lot better in KDE, which is a good reason to try it for me
[12:45] <zenrox> selinium_,  biger the book the better
[12:45] <selinium_> zenrox: :D
[12:45] <LinuxJones> mdke, when you create the suer Ubuntu will create a group for you
[12:45] <LinuxJones> err user
[12:45] <mcphail> selinium_: the SuSE manuals are good as well
[12:45] <apokryphos> WillCooke: I think k3b is the best program out there for it, yes.
[12:46] <mdke> LinuxJones, umm. i need to specify the groups that a user will be in right?
[12:46] <zenrox> WillCooke, also try graveman
[12:46] <ompaul> right so I am off to bed, night all
[12:46] <LinuxJones> mdke, Ubuntu will add you to the groups
[12:46] <WillCooke> zenrox, Ta, I'll have a look
[12:46] <mdke> LinuxJones, so just "useradd nick"?
[12:46] <selinium_> Cheers for all the pointers, I'm am off for some well desevred ZZZ's :D
[12:46] <LinuxJones> mdke, are you in the account that you installed the system on ?
[12:47] <mdke> yes
[12:47] <warty_> any ideas for smbmount alternatives for the ubuntu liveCD?
[12:47] <LinuxJones> mdke, ok sudo admin-users
[12:47] <WillCooke> does graveman to dvd?
[12:47] <LinuxJones> mdke, use the gui it's easier :)
[12:48] <mdke> LinuxJones, you read my question at the beginning right?
[12:48] <warty__> alright...worked!
[12:48] <warty__> er...
[12:48] <airox> :)
[12:48] <LinuxJones> mdke, no
[12:49] <mdke> *sighs*
[12:49] <thr1ce> ok...may I ask a few more questions?
[12:49] <LinuxJones> mdke, you can't use sudo ?
[12:49] <soren9580> is there a way to use rsync and include my password?
[12:49] <soren9580> so i can put it into a crontab file?
[12:49] <thr1ce> so, fluxbox can be installed easily?
[12:49] <mdke> LinuxJones, "Pleeeease somebody help me? My problem is thus: I cannot log into gnome and I've noticed that most of the permissions in my home directory are not readable for my user. I have attempted to change the permissions as root as nothing happens. Help!"
[12:50] <warty_> mdke, chmod 755 /home/$user/* -R
[12:50] <LinuxJones> mdke, what is your user account on the system ?
[12:50] <mdke> warty_, as i said, I've done that
[12:50] <sabdfl> mdke: where $user should be your username
[12:50] <warty_> mdke, ls -lh /home/$user
[12:50] <warty_> who owns everything?
[12:50] <mdke> i've done it goddammit and the permissions don't change
[12:50] <mdke> the user owns everything
[12:51] <thr1ce> ok...where can I see what programs are available to be installed through apt-get?
[12:51] <apokryphos> thr1ce: synaptic
[12:51] <LinuxJones> mdke, what happens when you try to login, does it just hang or is there an error that comes up ?
[12:51] <mdke> it hangs and then gdm restarts
[12:51] <mcphail> gn
[12:52] <mdke> some of the permissions have changed, and some remain drwx------
[12:52] <cwillu> how does one change the synaptic touchpad settings?
[12:52] <thr1ce> what is the root password on a live CD?
[12:52] <thr1ce> lol
[12:53] <mdke> anyone?
[12:53] <LinuxJones> mdke, were you ever able to log in ?
[12:53] <mdke> sure
[12:53] <mdke> until this evening
[12:53] <LinuxJones> mdke, ok did you do any system upgrades or anything ?
[12:53] <warty_> how can i get smbfs support on the liveCD?
[12:53] <Sk8Phate> Does anyone know the minimum system specifications to install and run ubuntu?
[12:53] <warty_> or is there any way i can mount any remote systems on the Ubuntu LiveCD?
[12:53] <thr1ce> ok...I tried synamptic, but I cannot do it without root access; what is sudo password on live CD?
[12:54] <AndyR> lo all
[12:54] <cwillu> Sk8Phate:  32 megs ram
[12:54] <AndyR> has anyone seen this on hoary? usb 1-1: device not accepting address 11, error -110
[12:54] <mdke> linuxboy, just did some more
[12:54] <airox> thr1ce: Your account password.
[12:54] <mdke> LinuxJones ^^
[12:54] <mdke> LinuxJones, its up to date now
[12:54] <Sk8Phate> thanks, what about cpu speed?
[12:54] <mdke> lemme restart
[12:55] <LinuxJones> mdke, alright you on the system right here in irc or is it another machine ?
[12:55] <cwillu> How do I configure my touchpad?
[12:55] <thr1ce> cat /proc/cpuinfo ?
[12:55] <thr1ce> should work...
[12:55] <mdke> LinuxJones, another machine
[12:55] <andrewski> how do i change the default boottime keyboard map?
[12:55] <thr1ce> so the list in synaptic is a list of packages that aren't upgraded...?
[12:55] <LinuxJones> mdke, ok hit ctrl + alt + F2 then login your user account
[12:56] <mdke> yes
[12:56] <LinuxJones> mdke, type sudo -s and re-enter your user's password
[12:56] <mdke> yes
[12:56] <yasoo> after installing the new kernel linux-image-686 the x server crashes. i think the problem is the nvidia driver(geforce 6800). it was fine on the old kernel..
[12:56] <thr1ce> where can I find packages that are available to be added through apt-get
[12:56] <Loiosh> You have to reinstall the driver, Yasoo
[12:57] <Loiosh> It attaches itself to the kernel
[12:57] <yasoo> how?
[12:57] <OMarin> waht the diference between su and sudo? if my english is so bad sorry, I'm not american
[12:57] <mdke> lol
[12:57] <King_Crimson> i have a problem
[12:57] <mdke> LinuxJones, ok done those things
[12:57] <robertj> OMarin: su runs a new shell as a user
[12:57] <LinuxJones> mdke, now create a new user account by typing   useradd linux  (or whatever account name you want to use)
[12:57] <apokryphos> thr1ce: erm, I answered before: synaptic. It's the GUI front-end of apt-get
[12:57] <robertj> sudo runs a command as another user
[12:58] <yasoo> Loiosh: nvidia-glx-config disable/enable? this is the only command i know
[12:58] <Loiosh> yasoo: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:58] <King_Crimson> can anyone help me?
[12:58] <thr1ce> apokryphos, yeah, I ran that, and it only lists pacakges that I have running currently
[12:58] <Loiosh> Hopefully that'll work =)
[12:58] <apokryphos> robertj: nope, it runs the command as you, but simply you with root permissions
[12:58] <thr1ce> or are all of those the ones that can be upgraded?
[12:58] <LinuxJones> mdke, type passwd username (username is the name of the account you just created)
[12:58] <thr1ce> (i have the warty live CD)
[12:58] <tck> King_Crimson, just ask away
[12:58] <apokryphos> thr1ce: no it doesn't. You're telling me they're all "checked"?
[12:58] <robertj> apokryphos: hrmm
[12:58] <mdke> LinuxJones, interesting. I hasn't been able to create a home directory
[12:58] <mdke> *it
[12:58] <apokryphos> thr1ce: or rather, they're all green?
[12:58] <OMarin> robertj: how can i use sudo?
[12:58] <robertj> yeah, your right, and you can of course specify a non-root user
[12:58] <thr1ce> apokryphos, um...they're all green
[12:58] <King_Crimson> ok
[12:59] <thr1ce> apokryphos, what does that mean ?
[12:59] <King_Crimson> i  i burnt a live cd
[12:59] <tck> King_Crimson, ok
[12:59] <robertj> OMarin: sudo <command>
[12:59] <apokryphos> thr1ce: then you have all the packages installed from apt, weirdly enough. Not quite sure why you did, but hey...
[12:59] <robertj> and then use the password of the current user
[12:59] <LinuxJones> mdke, dude I have no idea what's going on with your system best to re-install.
[12:59] <King_Crimson> and wen i put it in, the ubuntu loading screen comes up, it loads all the way, and then it makes hte logon noise.
[12:59] <robertj> as long as that user is in the admin group, which the first user is by default
[12:59] <thr1ce> apokryphos, I have nothing installed (it's a live CD)
[12:59] <mdke> LinuxJones, :(
[12:59] <apokryphos> thr1ce: though, I'm sure you couldn't :D, since some packages confict..
[12:59] <King_Crimson> but hten the screen is black, my monitro goes into power save mode
[12:59] <apokryphos> thr1ce: oooh. That's different then.
[12:59] <thr1ce> apokryphos, I was told that I could install things like fluxbox from apt-get
[12:59] <tck> King_Crimson, have you checked the ubuntu wiki for compatiblilty
[01:00] <apokryphos> thr1ce: for the live CD?
[01:00] <LinuxJones> mdke, your system is messed up it only takes 1/2 an hour to re-install
[01:00] <apokryphos> err..
[01:00] <King_Crimson> compatibility with wat?
[01:00] <tck> King_Crimson, what is the computer
[01:00] <OMarin> robertj: thanks for the definitions
[01:00] <thr1ce> apokryphos, no...just in general- if I were to switch
[01:00] <tck> what is the monitor
[01:00] <King_Crimson> its a Pentium 3, windows xp
[01:00] <apokryphos> thr1ce: If you make the switch, then you can of course install fluxbox etc.
[01:00] <mdke> LinuxJones, i have to back up too
[01:00] <King_Crimson> brb
[01:00] <thr1ce> apokryphos, yes... i was just looking for a list of the "etc"
[01:00] <thr1ce> :P
[01:01] <apokryphos> thr1ce: you can browse the repositories, if you want.
[01:01] <apokryphos> not the funnest of things, naturally.
[01:01] <thr1ce> apokryphos, of course...I'm just curious what's available...are many packages easy to find?  mostly like aterm, fluxbox, mplayer...etc.
[01:01] <ells> does anyone know about smb or samba
[01:01] <johnnybezak> thr1ce: im running flux
[01:02] <johnnybezak> ells a bit
[01:02] <apokryphos> thr1ce: of course
[01:02] <Loiosh> I do a little, ells
[01:02] <OMarin> what version of gnome have in ubuntu 4.10 by default in the cd of installation??
[01:02] <ells> well, know that I am using a wep, I cannot connect using smb
[01:02] <apokryphos> thr1ce: Ubuntu has a debian backbone... repositories are super.
[01:02] <thr1ce> 2.8.1
[01:02] <HiddenWolf> Omarin: 2.8
[01:02] <airox> 2.8.1
[01:02] <LinuxJones> OMarin, 2.8
[01:02] <airox> :))
[01:02] <thr1ce> apokryphos, ok...I'm a slackware user...so i'm used to doing things by hand... :)
[01:02] <ells> is that normal
[01:02] <OMarin> thanks everybody
[01:02] <Loiosh> As far as I'm aware, the connection method shouldn't matter, ells.
[01:03] <apokryphos> thr1ce: whatever blows your hair back ;-)
[01:03] <thr1ce> i'm a big fan of "the best linux distro is the one that you like the best..."
[01:03] <thr1ce> so, i'm trying a few out
[01:03] <ells> Loiosh, can you tell me what might be wrong
[01:03] <ells> first i had the files shared, it worked
[01:03] <apokryphos> thr1ce: which is, of course, true :P. No such thing as an objective linux distro, and -- quite frankly -- there never will be.
[01:03] <ells> and then I used the wep and cannot
[01:03] <Loiosh> Well, I can try to guess with a little more information. Is the Windows machine doing the sharing, or the linux machine?
[01:03] <apokryphos> thr1ce: objective *best linux distro
[01:03] <ells> the windows is sharing
[01:04] <thr1ce> apokryphos, so...updates are available (lets say a brand new Gaim is released) regularly?
[01:04] <thr1ce> i run slackware -current, which is updated once or twice a week
[01:04] <Loiosh> Ok, what mount command do you use? Make sure you remove your password if you paste it here =)
[01:04] <apokryphos> thr1ce: good thing with running Ubuntu, or perhaps debian systems in general, is that the vast majority of the time, you're on the cutting edge of the distro. Kind of like running your OS's cvs
[01:04] <ells> smb:IP
[01:04] <ells> smb://IP
[01:04] <apokryphos> thr1ce: regular updates are easy; only take two commands...
[01:05] <thr1ce> and apt-get is pretty stable?  i've used a few auto-updaters that can bork some deps pretty bad
[01:05] <Loiosh> Ahh
[01:05] <andrewski> apokryphos: but that's not as much the case as it is with gentoo, for example.  not to flame, just to put it into perspective.
[01:05] <ells> Loiosh, am I doing something wrong
[01:05] <Loiosh> What ip address does your linux machine have, and what is for your Windows one?
[01:05] <apokryphos> thr1ce: sure
[01:05] <Loiosh> I've never used the smb:// feature before
[01:05] <LinuxJones> thr1ce, apt-get is awesome
[01:05] <apokryphos> andrewski: what's not the case?
[01:05] <thr1ce> ok
[01:05] <OMarin> somebody know if modem intel 537ep works in ubuntu?
[01:06] <andrewski> apokryphos: that you're on the "cutting edge"
[01:06] <ells> linux, 192.168.0.103, win, 192.168.0.102
[01:06] <ells> both firewalled
[01:06] <thr1ce> so i just run a distro-update from apt-get every few days, and I'm as bleeding edge as it comes...?  :P
[01:06] <Loiosh> Ohh
[01:06] <Loiosh> Try this
[01:06] <ells> yeap
[01:06] <ells> okay
[01:06] <Loiosh> smbclient -L 192.168.0.102
[01:06] <ells> okay, hold on
[01:06] <Loiosh> /msg me what it says
[01:06] <thr1ce> damnit!  now i want to switch to ubuntu...
[01:06] <thr1ce> er, wait!
[01:06] <Loiosh> LoL
[01:06] <thr1ce> is xfce available?
[01:07] <thr1ce> :)
[01:07] <apokryphos> andrewski: Sure. Gentoo isn't based on debian though, is it :P
[01:07] <LinuxJones> thr1ce, you type apt-get update (updates the package list) then apt-get upgrade (downloads and installs all updates)
[01:07] <apokryphos> thr1ce: of course
[01:07] <andrewski> thr1ce: no, not as bleeding-edge as it comes.  almost, but only as close as packages are released.
[01:07] <andrewski> thr1ce: yup, 4.2 packages, provided by one of the developers.
[01:07] <thr1ce> LinuxJones, and that is pretty reliable and efficient?
[01:07] <andrewski> thr1ce: but not on ubuntu's repositories; it's on os-works.com
[01:07] <Loiosh> Gentoo is totally bleeding edge crazy =)
[01:07] <thr1ce> so is slackware -current
[01:08] <ells> Loiosh, in console
[01:08] <aspro> i use xfce4.2 works great!
[01:08] <Loiosh> Yes
[01:08] <jcurry> i'm an debian user looking to use ubuntu xorg packages...can someone tell me where ubuntu installes xorg?
[01:08] <LinuxJones> thr1ce, I bet all of your systems will be running Ubuntu within 2 weeks :)
[01:08] <aspro> and it is in the hoary repos
[01:08] <apokryphos> Every computer in our house has a different Distro :P
[01:08] <thr1ce> lol
[01:08] <apokryphos> different tastes
[01:08] <thr1ce> well, I'm pretty impressed with this liveCD
[01:08] <andrewski> aspro: is it?
[01:08] <aspro> aye
[01:08] <thr1ce> i've never used a debian-based system
[01:09] <aspro> thats where I got it form
[01:09] <Xappe> oh, god, i'm drun...sorry...
[01:09] <Loiosh> Yes, ells in console
[01:09] <molson> Anyone get their Palm Tungsten E to sync with Ubuntu?
[01:09] <andrewski> wow, it wasn't a little while ago.  i'll have to check it out; maybe i could get rid of a repository or two. ;P
[01:09] <Xappe> *drunk
[01:09] <tck> thr1ce, is that the hoary live cd, and if so did you try the warty one ?
[01:09] <cwillu> thr1ce, you might want to have a look at beatrix as well, it's debian, and draws off ubuntu.  Not quite as polished in many ways, but it does what it does well
[01:09] <mz2> is there a way of installing ubuntu without a bootable cd?
[01:09] <LinuxJones> thr1ce, I would check out www.ubuntuguide.org it answers all the basic questions about using Ubuntu for new users.
[01:09] <ells> Loiosh, it says it failed
[01:09] <cwillu> http://www.watsky.org I believe
[01:09] <mz2> or rather a cd drive at all
[01:09] <Loiosh> Failed to connect?
[01:09] <ells> yeap
[01:09] <Loiosh> I need to see the exact fail message
[01:09] <ells> okay
[01:09] <mdke> hi all, thanks to seb128 I am making a little progress with my problem. My partition is mounted errors=remount-ro. Does anyone know how I can fix this?
[01:09] <thr1ce> this is the warty CD
[01:09] <tck> ok
[01:09] <jcurry> i'm an debian user looking to use ubuntu xorg packages...can someone tell me where ubuntu installes xorg?
[01:10] <Loiosh> I'm betting your firewall is blocking the connection.
[01:10] <ells> Error connecting to 192.168.0.102 (Operation already in progress)
[01:10] <ells> Connection to 192.168.0.102 failed
[01:10] <apokryphos> thr1ce: and, ubuntulinux.org will answer other questions such as history/philosophy.
[01:10] <Loiosh> Oh, hmm
[01:10] <thr1ce> LinuxJones, well, yeah...i just wanted a few specific questiosn answered, seeing as how i'm not really a linux newb
[01:10] <Loiosh> Operation already in progress
[01:10] <ells> that is what it said
[01:10] <tck> jcurry, prob. /usr/bin/X11
[01:10] <Loiosh> That means it's already trying to connect
[01:10] <ells> I will check, hold on
[01:10] <jcurry> tck, k, thanks
[01:10] <thr1ce> so, if I install this, apt-get distro upgrade will pretty much get me running hoary ?
[01:10] <Loiosh> To see the exact error message, you may have to log out / log in. But I'm not certain.
[01:10] <King_Crimson> im back
[01:10] <LinuxJones> thr1ce, I wasn't trying to insult your intelligence or anything, but there is alot of good info on there with regards to how Ubuntu does things
[01:11] <apokryphos> thr1ce: you'll have to change your sources.list first, but yes, it will.
[01:11] <LinuxJones> :)
[01:11] <aspro> thr1ce, not from warty, you'd need to change repo's
[01:11] <thr1ce> what's the difference between a fully upgraded warty and hoary ?
[01:11] <aspro> alot
[01:11] <Fleebailey33> please come to #palm. were really new a channel. its support for palm. we would like you guys to help us grow
[01:11] <aspro> :P
[01:11] <ells> Loiosh, it now shows the network, but when clicked, it hangs, and does nothing
[01:11] <thr1ce> aspro, like...?  newer packages?
[01:12] <aspro> yeah, xorg and the like
[01:12] <apokryphos> thr1ce: They're different entirely. Warty is the older version (and it is a version). Like you running FC2, while Hoary is FC3
[01:12] <scorpix> i do ln -sf /dev/cdrom /dev/dvd , how can i remove/undo it?
[01:12] <Loiosh> Ok, ells, try logging out / in. I need you to close that connection and run the smbclient command.
[01:12] <thr1ce> warty fully upgraded doesnt' have X 6.8.2 ?
[01:12] <ells> okay
[01:12] <woodywarty> ells, are you using Hoary ?
[01:12] <apokryphos> thr1ce: warty uses xfree
[01:12] <andrewski> scorpix: delete the link
[01:12] <thr1ce> oh man...
[01:12] <ells> warty
[01:12] <thr1ce> lol
[01:12] <apokryphos> thr1ce: I'm sure you could dream of it in terms of slackware
[01:13] <OMarin> a package for debian works in ubuntu?
[01:13] <woodywarty> Slackware rocks
[01:13] <thr1ce> apokryphos, xfree was gone at slackware 9.1!!!
[01:13] <apokryphos> my socks
[01:13] <jcurry> OMarin, ubuntu is based of debian
[01:13] <apokryphos> thr1ce: there you go ;-). Running warty is like you running slack 9.1 when 10.0 is out.
[01:13] <LinuxJones> OMarin, the package is probably available for install in the Ubuntu repositories
[01:13] <woodywarty> ells, I think that your subnet mask or some basic network setup is little mixed up
[01:13] <ells> root@steveslaptop:/home/steve # smbclient -L 192.168.0.102
[01:13] <ells> timeout connecting to 192.168.0.102:445
[01:13] <ells> timeout connecting to 192.168.0.102:139
[01:13] <ells> Error connecting to 192.168.0.102 (Operation already in progress)
[01:13] <ells> Connection to 192.168.0.102 failed
[01:13] <apokryphos> though hoary is technically still in developement :P
[01:13] <thr1ce> but running warty fully upgraded wont' get me to slackware 10 ?
[01:13] <woodywarty> Can you ping it
[01:14] <thr1ce> ells, ping the IP
[01:14] <ells> woodywarty, what you suggest
[01:14] <jcurry> OMarin, and debian doesn't currently package xorg...and i want it :)
[01:14] <ells> okay, hold on
[01:14] <johnnybezak> thr1ce: nope you need hoary for bleeding edge
[01:14] <apokryphos> thr1ce: hoary is where it's at. Why would you not want to go for it? ;-)
[01:14] <thr1ce> apokryphos, I would definitely go for it
[01:14] <woodywarty> Slackware beats Ubuntu 3 times in terms of speed
[01:14] <thr1ce> really?
[01:14] <ells> root@steveslaptop:/home/steve # ping 192.168.0.102
[01:14] <ells> PING 192.168.0.102 (192.168.0.102) 56(84) bytes of data.
[01:14] <LinuxJones> jcurry, why not install Ubuntu ?
[01:14] <OMarin> LinuxJones: yeah, when I install I'll search
[01:14] <Loiosh> Ohoh, ells
[01:14] <AndyR> anyone have an answer about usb 1-1: device not accepting address 11, error -110
[01:15] <ells> Loiosh, what
[01:15] <woodywarty> But loses 3 times in terms of package management
[01:15] <johnnybezak> woodywarty: but you lose that time downloading deps for all the packages you wnat to install :)
[01:15] <Xappe> OMarin, don't trust me (i'm drunk as hell) but if you're lucky debian packages willl work
[01:15] <Loiosh> No ping replies?
[01:15] <LinuxJones> OMarin, ;)
[01:15] <jcurry> LinuxJones, i have my debian system *way* too customized
[01:15] <ells> I will retry, hold on
[01:15] <mz2> or can i even do a dist-upgrade from woody to hoary? :D
[01:15] <Loiosh> Heheeh
[01:15] <thr1ce> ls -a /var/log/packages is the best type of package management IMO
[01:15] <LinuxJones> jcurry, cusom kernels qnd whatnot ?
[01:15] <AndyR> all usb mass-storage has stopped working
[01:15] <jcurry> LinuxJones, migrating would simply take too much time, which i don't have
[01:15] <OMarin> jcurry: xorg 6.8 have in ubuntu?
[01:15] <jcurry> LinuxJones, that too :)
[01:15] <soren9580> i need to run rsync as a cronjob
[01:16] <thr1ce> woodywarty, you've really noticed a big decrease in speed?  even if I've got a 2100 athlon with a gig of ram?
[01:16] <jcurry> OMarin, what? ubuntu has 6.8, debian doesn't
[01:16] <soren9580> is there a way to just stick my password in the crontab file
[01:16] <soren9580> to make it work?
[01:16] <Loiosh> I'm not much for slack. It's.. too manly for me.
[01:16] <apokryphos> Yeah, heard of quite a few debian users taking the ubu xorg
[01:16] <jcurry> LinuxJones, but i do recommend ubuntu to my friends
[01:16] <soren9580> or how should i go about getting the password stuff to work?
[01:16] <woodywarty> Well just reduce the configuration by 2 times and you will see the difference
[01:16] <ells> Loiosh, how can I find out what my own IP ish
[01:16] <ells> is
[01:16] <Loiosh> ifconfig ath0
[01:16] <ells> okay
[01:17] <Loiosh> If you're using wireless?
[01:17] <Loiosh> Or just ifconfig
[01:17] <thr1ce> man...I feel so leet running slackware...lol
[01:17] <jcurry> apokryphos, i tried compiling my own first, but apt upgrading xfree would mess with that
[01:17] <thr1ce> you guys make it seem like the impossible
[01:17] <LinuxJones> jcurry, changing distros is a pain but It was worth it for me to switch to Ubuntu, man it's awesome
[01:17] <Loiosh> Hehehe thr1ce, if you can do that, Ubuntu will be nothing =)
[01:17] <thr1ce> Loiosh, yeah, so I imagine
[01:17] <OMarin> jcurry: ubuntu use xorg or xfree?
[01:17] <jcurry> LinuxJones, what benefits will i get, exactly?
[01:17] <ells> PING 192.168.0.103 (192.168.0.103) 56(84) bytes of data.
[01:17] <ells> From 192.168.0.101 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable
[01:17] <ells> From 192.168.0.101 icmp_seq=2 Destination Host Unreachable
[01:17] <thr1ce> as long as I can be bleeding edge, I think I'll do ti
[01:17] <jcurry> OMarin, hoary uses xorg, warty uses xfree
[01:18] <Yomic> I'm having truble installing java. Can anyone help me?
[01:18] <thr1ce> AND as long as I can have fluxbox :)
[01:18] <LinuxJones> jcurry, well there are regular release cycles for 1, the irc channel is full of cool people and the developers are very nice to offer help when they have time
[01:18] <Yomic> I'm using the ubuntuguide faq but I'm getting an error.
[01:18] <ells> Loiosh, what ya think
[01:18] <OMarin> jcurry: hoary was released?
[01:18] <tck> lads King_Crimson has a geforce fx5200 ultra
[01:18] <jeff_> does anyone know if you can run windows visual stuido under linux
[01:18] <jcurry> OMarin, i don't know
[01:18] <tck> anyone have problems with that before ?
[01:18] <ells> Loiosh, do you think it is my router
[01:18] <jeff_> or compile sources for it
[01:19] <jeff_> with linux
[01:19] <jdub> jeff_: relatively unlikely.
[01:19] <johnnybezak> thr1ce: once youve had it you cant go back hey? :)
[01:19] <thr1ce> just not a big gnome fan unfortunately
[01:19] <thr1ce> a little bloated for me
[01:19] <Zotnix> :D Someone pingbacked my blog and I'm happy.
[01:19] <LinuxJones> jcurry, there is also 18 months support for a release which will co-incide with the gnome release schedule afaik ;)
[01:19] <woodywarty> Try FreeBSD
[01:19] <jcurry> LinuxJones, i run sid, which has updates whenever i want it, and #debian has the coolest bot ever, dpkg :)
[01:19] <Loiosh> Ells: How is your network configured? I'm guessing you have a cable modem/DSL router, your windows computer connected to that, then a wireless router?
[01:19] <thr1ce> netBSD he menas :P
[01:19] <Zotnix> I wrote a small piece on Ubuntu and basically explained why *I* liked it... and someone said I explained it very well.
[01:19] <jcurry> LinuxJones, and i don't run gnome :)
[01:20] <ells> cable modem, yes
[01:20] <thr1ce> does hoary use betas and RC's ?
[01:20] <LinuxJones> jcurry, the only thing I miss about the Debian irc channel is the bot, doesn't say much for the other people there :D
[01:20] <thr1ce> like, gnome 2.9 for example
[01:20] <jcurry> LinuxJones, i think i only talk to the bot
[01:20] <apokryphos> thr1ce: well, kind of. Hoary is technically in developement.. and arrays are issued every so often
[01:20] <Loiosh> Ells: How are your connections setup?
[01:20] <LinuxJones> jcurry, IMHO there are some real lamers in that channel
[01:20] <jcurry> LinuxJones, it tells me all i need to know, and people to have to answer the same question a million times
[01:20] <ells> Loiosh, what do you mean exactly
[01:20] <beowuff> Why are the multimedia Plugin for firefox different for Pentium 4 and everything else on ubuntuguide?
[01:20] <apokryphos> thr1ce: but, they're more just snapshots on ISOs
[01:21] <ells> I can see the computers name
[01:21] <ells> when clicking network
[01:21] <Loiosh> Nono, nothing technical
[01:21] <LinuxJones> jcurry, I wish they would install it here
[01:21] <thr1ce> apokryphos, right...so, it's stable in theory >?
[01:21] <Loiosh> You have a cablemodem. What is connected to the cablemodem?
[01:21] <ells> when I click the link, they wont come up
[01:21] <ells> the router
[01:21] <jcurry> LinuxJones, i still don't think lamers in #debian is a reason i should switch to ubuntu
[01:21] <apokryphos> thr1ce: very much so, yes.
[01:21] <Loiosh> Ok, this is the wireless router?
[01:21] <ells> yes
[01:21] <LinuxJones> jcurry, no but it's another fringe benefit :P
[01:21] <jcurry> LinuxJones, and if i get a new computer (i plan to), i will install debian on it anyway
[01:22] <ells> with a land line connection as well
[01:22] <Loiosh> What is its ip address?
[01:22] <Yomic> I'm having truble installing java. I'm using the ubuntuguide.org faq but I'm recieving an error.
[01:22] <ells> 192.168.0.101, I think
[01:22] <LinuxJones> jcurry, if your happy with Debian that's cool I ran it for 3 years
[01:22] <Loiosh> And your Windows computer?
[01:22] <jcurry> LinuxJones, imho, ubuntu only has user-friendlyness over debian, and i am a power user...i can manage
[01:22] <woodywarty> Well FreeBSD is the best
[01:22] <thr1ce> netBSD *
[01:22] <jcurry> LinuxJones, but i do recommend it to beginners, for that same userfriendlyness
[01:23] <thr1ce> :)
[01:23] <HiddenWolf> jcurry: it has over debian that it actually goes somewhere
[01:23] <Yomic> I didn't like netbsd too much.
[01:23] <thr1ce> woodywarty, you truly think that slackware is quicker?
[01:23] <Zotnix> I think Ubuntu at this very moment is not very user friendly.
[01:23] <Loiosh> I would believe that slax is quicker.
[01:23] <Zotnix> It's between, say, using Slackware, and using Mandrake.
[01:23] <thr1ce> what!?
[01:23] <Loiosh> Than Ubuntu
[01:23] <thr1ce> those are complete opposites
[01:23] <LinuxJones> Zotnix, the distro is only like 4 months old :D
[01:24] <Zotnix> I know. We are in the middle.
[01:24] <jcurry> HiddenWolf, i see what you mean, but i don't necessarily see debian's current state as problematic
[01:24] <thr1ce> oh...lol
[01:24] <out_of_focus> Hello
[01:24] <Zotnix> Ubuntu has some nice "user friendly" features but I don't think it is quite as easy as some other distros.
[01:24] <apokryphos> thr1ce: Can't really compare ubuntu to anything other than debian, I don't think.
[01:24] <thr1ce> what about on a fast machine?  will a big difference be noticed?
[01:24] <apokryphos> maybe Mepis, but never tried it
[01:24] <jcurry> HiddenWolf, they'll sort everything out, i think
[01:24] <HiddenWolf> jcurry: How long have we been waiting on sarge?
[01:24] <out_of_focus> Zotnix: what other distros are more user friendly than Ubuntu?
[01:24] <johnnybezak> mandrake
[01:24] <mdke> seb128, sorry to bother you again, but maybe you are the only person that can help. Why would my partition mount -ro like that? I've run fsck and there are no errors
[01:25] <johnnybezak> any one with a graphical installer :)
[01:25] <Zotnix> Mandrake, SUSE, Red Hat, (and in essense Fedora and CentOS)
[01:25] <knapjack> Anyone know if bzflag 2.0 is in Hoary sources?
[01:25] <out_of_focus> graphical installers require more resources and such
[01:25] <thr1ce> what about odd pacakges; like gtkpod ?
[01:25] <Zotnix> Not graphical installer wise.
[01:25] <HiddenWolf> jcurry: they will sort it out, but they'll have to get their groove on
[01:25] <seb128> mdke: what line do you have in /etc/fstab for this partition ?
[01:25] <Zotnix> not talking graphical installer at all.
[01:25] <Zotnix> I mean general use.
[01:25] <mdke> seb128, defaults,errors-ro...
[01:25] <thr1ce> is gtkpod atp-get able?
[01:25] <johnnybezak> well shit they all run gnome or kde so there is hardly any difference
[01:25] <LinuxJones> Zotnix, all those distro run like crap for me
[01:25] <OMarin> when hoary will release?
[01:25] <Loiosh> I haven't tried Mandrake. I don't like them trying to sell me crap when I just want to download the dists.
[01:26] <mdke> seb128, its just one partition as .
[01:26] <mdke> */
[01:26] <seb128> mdke: the option comes from here, dunno why you get errors on the drive tough
[01:26] <Zotnix> LinuxJones, lot of bloat. Oddly once I disabled a lot on Mandrake it ran faster than most distros I've used.
[01:26] <seb128> though
[01:26] <out_of_focus> distros in which you are paying for something, i don't consider them to be true open source
[01:26] <apokryphos> johnnybezak: the difference is great ;-). If it wasn't, this channel would be *very* small and #gnome/#kde would be huge.
[01:26] <out_of_focus> such as xandros and mandrake
[01:26] <Zotnix> Mandrake for me was free.
[01:26] <mdke> seb128, should i eliminate that line in fstab?
[01:26] <seb128> probably not
[01:26] <mdke> well not the whole line obviously
[01:26] <johnnybezak> out_of_focus: you dont have to pay for mandrake
[01:26] <LinuxJones> Zotnix, I started with Mandrake back in 2000 it was a real breath of fresh air coming from windows
[01:26] <seb128> in remounts on ro on errors
[01:26] <Loiosh> It is free, Zot
[01:27] <OMarin> when hoary will release?
[01:27] <Loiosh> But, when I go to download it, I have to click through advertisements of their paid-dists.
[01:27] <Zotnix> LinuxJones, I loved Mandrake. I just didn't like the fact it didn't have more obscure packages.
[01:27] <out_of_focus> the mandrake that you can download for free is a crippled version compared to the $80 pay version isn't it
[01:27] <LinuxJones> OMarin, in April
[01:27] <johnnybezak> apokryphos: i'm talking about user friendliness not what happens when stuff doesnt work
[01:27] <Loiosh> That kinda of attitude I detest.
[01:27] <out_of_focus> otherwise they wouldn't be able to make money off of their $80 version
[01:27] <Zotnix> And urpmi seemed sluggish. Not as bad as yum though.
[01:27] <johnnybezak> out_of_focus: no it isn't it just doesnt have non free packages in it
[01:27] <rubixXx> whats a good game server browser for enemy-territory
[01:27] <LinuxJones> Zotnix, rpm's are poison that's why I switched to Debian
[01:27] <OMarin> LinuxJones: no choice to change this date?
[01:27] <apokryphos> johnnybezak: this channel isn't for just when stuff doesn't work, believe it or not, but sure, you're quite right otherwise.
[01:28] <mdke> seb128, i don't see any errors reported in dmesg
[01:28] <johnnybezak> i liked urpmi, it worked sweet for me
[01:28] <thr1ce> so...can I browse apt-get able (install) extra packages anywhere?
[01:28] <JDahl> out_of_focus, I think alot of people buy the mandrake CDs just to help the company
[01:28] <johnnybezak> apokryphos: hehe of course :)
[01:28] <out_of_focus> hmm
[01:28] <LinuxJones> OMarin, they should be getting ready to freeze hoary in a few weeks
[01:28] <johnnybezak> thr1ce: i think there is a web mirror
[01:28] <Loiosh> The point is that they force those adds on me. I don't appreciate it =)
[01:28] <Loiosh> So I won't use them.
[01:28] <out_of_focus> i'm downloading the Hoary live cd for ppc right now--i've never seen a ppc live cd before this
[01:28] <thr1ce> johnnybezak, yes...any idea where?
[01:29] <Marble2> what do I use to extract a .gz file?
[01:29] <rubixXx> thr1ce): take a look at Synaptic Package Manager's GUI frontend for ubuntu
[01:29] <OMarin> LinuxJones: thanks
[01:29] <soren9580> anyone know how to use a stored password using rsync when not using an rsync server?
[01:29] <thr1ce> a tar.gz?
[01:29] <Marble2> no
[01:29] <LinuxJones> Zotnix, that's because they coded urpmi in like ruby or something
[01:29] <Marble2> just .gz
[01:29] <thr1ce> tar xvfz file.tar.gz
[01:29] <LinuxJones> OMarin, ;)
[01:29] <seb128> mdke: /var/log/syslog and /var/log/messages ?
[01:29] <thr1ce> rubixXx, I am...I want a list of extra packages, like fluxbox
[01:29] <Zotnix> LinuxJones, both yum and urpmi liked to randomly freeze on me and take forever rebuilding indexes.
[01:29] <Zotnix> I suspect bad coding perhaps.
[01:29] <johnnybezak> thr1ce: just google ubuntu repository
[01:29] <LinuxJones> Zotnix, yeah exactly
[01:30] <Zotnix> But I have to say I loved right clicking on a folder and enabling sharing.
[01:30] <JDahl> thr1ce, fluxbox is universe or multiverse, I think
[01:30] <Loiosh> Heheh
[01:30] <Loiosh> That SuSE, Zot?
[01:30] <Zotnix> Or sharing internet without writing a dhcpd.conf file.
[01:30] <thr1ce> JDahl, that means nothing to me... :(
[01:30] <Zotnix> Loiosh, Mandrake.
[01:30] <HillTop> Anyone have trouble rebooting from hte latest hoary live CDs? I tried both the GNOME and KDE versions. I exit and after a little activity, nothing. So I try consol: # shutdown -r now  and after many lines and final reboot announcement -- nothing.
[01:30] <LinuxJones> Zotnix, I don't know why they didn't adopt apt4rpm it's just stupid to re-invent the wheel, especially something as good as apt
[01:30] <johnnybezak> thr1ce: the flux versiion with hoary is 0.9.9-1
[01:30] <mdke> seb128, should it be "root=/dev/hda1 ro single" in grub?
[01:30] <apokryphos> thr1ce: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[01:30] <Zotnix> I noticed GNOME implemented the right click -> share recently.
[01:31] <thr1ce> johnnybezak, aaw, that's an older version of fluxbox!
[01:31] <Zotnix> On Hoary.
[01:31] <ros_> i have a question about the thrash bin
[01:31] <Zotnix> Doesn't work very well yet.
[01:31] <johnnybezak> thr1ce: i just compiled from source here
[01:31] <thr1ce> i wanted fluxbox .9.12  :(
[01:31] <ros_> everytime i delete something, it does not show up in the thrash bin
[01:31] <jeff_> how do i mount a bin/cue file
[01:31] <johnnybezak> thr1ce: was no big deal at all
[01:31] <apokryphos> thr1ce: pretty much any package that debian has, ubu does, so this would mostly be easy to use: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages. Some differences, of course, though.
[01:31] <thr1ce> jeff_, you can't; man bin2iso
[01:32] <seb128> mdke: no, "single" is the "single user" mode
[01:32] <thr1ce> johnnybezak, yes, I know...but was hoping I wouldn't have to as much anymore...
[01:32] <jeff_> sure you can, if my memory serves me correcterly
[01:32] <jeff_> i just cant remeber
[01:32] <johnnybezak> i think that packages are ubuntu's single biggest weakness atm, but they are getting better
[01:32] <mdke> seb128, but ro is correct?
[01:32] <ros_> i have a question about the thrash bin
[01:32] <ros_> everytime i delete something, it does not show up in the thrash bin
[01:32] <johnnybezak> thr1ce: yeah ive had to build a few things from source with ubuntu
[01:32] <apokryphos> johnnybezak: what's wrong with them?
[01:32] <johnnybezak> apokryphos: theres not enough of them :D
[01:33] <apokryphos> I've built about very few things from source; mostly because they were cvs
[01:33] <thr1ce> johnnybezak, yes...but when a newer version of flux comes, it's a pain to rid of
[01:33] <apokryphos> johnnybezak: The repos are hu-uge.
[01:33] <johnnybezak> not huge enough for my liking :D
[01:33] <apokryphos> I thought that was among its primary strengths
[01:33] <Loiosh> Oopsi
[01:33] <Loiosh> I think I killed ells
[01:33] <seb128> mdke: right
[01:33] <apokryphos> not quite as big as emerge, from what I hear of it, though.
[01:33] <woodywarty> Ubuntu is Human
[01:34] <jeff_> yea what does ubuntu mean
[01:34] <johnnybezak> yeah i had gentoo damn portage is sweet
[01:34] <Xirdneh> hi there, i inserted a vcd into my cd rom and i was watching it, after a while i wanted to change cds but now the cd rom wont open, is there any way tu forcefully open it?, thnx
[01:34] <jeff_> and how do you pronouce it
[01:34] <knapjack> dang, bzflag source in hoary is still 1.10
[01:34] <apokryphos> jeff_: ubuntulinux.org
[01:34] <Loiosh> I like source building.
[01:34] <Loiosh> X.org was my fav.
[01:34] <johnnybezak> Loiosh: what are you masochistic?
[01:34] <apokryphos> Whatever blows your hair back. =)
[01:34] <Loiosh> It's a nice challenge when I have time to waste =)
[01:35] <johnnybezak> Xirdneh: sudo eject /mnt/cdrom
[01:35] <Loiosh> I get impatient waiting for updates.
[01:35] <johnnybezak> Loiosh: lol
[01:35] <Xirdneh> thnx johnny
[01:35] <Loiosh> They won't move to a new dist yet.
[01:35] <thr1ce> man...I can't find fluxbox anywhere on ubuntu archives
[01:35] <apokryphos> heh
[01:35] <mdke> seb128, only thing i can see in syslog is "RAMDISK: cramfs filesystem found at block 0. VFS: Mounted root (cramfs filesystem) readonly
[01:35] <knapjack> Loiosh: Me to, but I prefer to keep everything integrated with my package management, so I tend to rob sources from Debian unstable or hoary.
[01:36] <johnnybezak> is there some shorthand way of cd'ing up a directory?
[01:36] <Loiosh> Well, if I can ever get Ubuntu to install, that would be lovely =)
[01:36] <Loiosh> No one's been able to diagnose my problem yet though
[01:36] <knapjack> johnnybezak: like 'cd ..' ?
[01:36] <johnnybezak> thr1ce: its there
[01:36] <thr1ce> johnnybezak, aaah, got it
[01:36] <johnnybezak> knapjack: thats what im looking for :)
[01:36] <thr1ce> yeah...0.9.9-1 :(
[01:37] <thr1ce> if it had .9.12, i'd be sold instantly
[01:37] <knapjack> johnnybezak: Same trick works on Windows/DOS
[01:37] <thr1ce> what about packages like Gaim...how quickly are they updated ?
[01:37] <GNAM> INCREDIBLE
[01:37] <GNAM> ubuntu is the first linux distro that works
[01:37] <apokryphos> heh
[01:37] <mdke> bah
[01:37] <thr1ce> GNAM, though it may not be the distros that have failed... :)
[01:37] <johnnybezak> knapjack: never used dos really :) (mac background)
[01:37] <GNAM> aauua
[01:37] <GNAM> beh
[01:37] <knapjack> Ah.  Same trick works in a Terminal on OSX. ;)
[01:37] <Loiosh> Ahh, Johnny
[01:38] <GNAM> warty won't install, hoary rulez
[01:38] <Loiosh> What do you think of it so far? It's -so- different from Mac
[01:38] <johnnybezak> knapjack: yeah i presume it would, i've just never looked for how to do it :)
[01:38] <johnnybezak> what linux or ubuntu?
[01:38] <hou5ton> hey ... i have an interesting situation that we have been unable to solve .... I have a laptop with two harddrives, and on the orginal one was xp, and on a second one I installed Ubuntu
[01:38] <johnnybezak> (linux in general or ubuntu specifically)
[01:38] <Loiosh> Ubuntu? =)
[01:38] <knapjack> johnnybezak: I have a friend on OSX that I keep giving bash hints to slowly but surely.
[01:39] <johnnybezak> knapjack: hehe
[01:39] <hou5ton> the install "said" it was putting grub on the xp drive, but didn't
[01:39] <knapjack> johnnybezak: ...but I love my wife's iBook.
[01:39] <thr1ce> ok...so, if I install hoary, and hoary is released...will it automatically switch me to the next, upcoming release?
[01:39] <jeff_> is there a package on synaptic for something like bin2iso
[01:39] <johnnybezak> well i've got ubuntu installed on my iMac 17" so you might say i voted with my feet :)
[01:39] <thr1ce> I assume I can just change a few files, and it will make me bleeding edge?
[01:39] <knapjack> johnnybezak: I would invest in a Mac if I weren't so invested in PC hardware already.
[01:39] <thr1ce> when I uggrade-distro, that is
[01:39] <apokryphos> thr1ce: you only need to put in two commands to update your hoary
[01:39] <hou5ton> so I switched the bios to boot to the linux drive, but the choice to boot windows doesn't work
[01:39] <LinuxJones> thr1ce, yes
[01:39] <knapjack> johnnybezak: But, a co-worker loaded Ubunut warty on an old iMac and it ran very nicely.  I was impressed.
[01:40] <out_of_focus> how come nobody has came up with a good linux/windows program that is similar in functionality to Mac OS X's Expose?
[01:40] <thr1ce> apokryphos, yes...but I always want to be as updated as possible; when a new gaim comes out, I want it instantly
[01:40] <apokryphos> thr1ce: when the next distro is out, it'll be the same. A change of repositories, and away.
[01:40] <johnnybezak> knapjack: it's pretty nice, linux on ppc has some annoying things though
[01:40] <hou5ton> some linux guru friends have looked at it too, and we haven't been able to make it work
[01:40] <hou5ton> any ideas?
[01:40] <johnnybezak> no 3d drivers no flash
[01:40] <thr1ce> apokryphos, and how do I change repositories?
[01:40] <knapjack> I've used Linux on PPC before, but I was wondering how Nautilus would hold up on such an old PPC.
[01:40] <thr1ce> apokryphos, a simple conf. file ?
[01:40] <apokryphos> yes
[01:40] <apokryphos> sources.list
[01:40] <out_of_focus> get the hoary livecd for ppc
[01:40] <johnnybezak> knapjack: i use flash
[01:40] <johnnybezak> knapjack: i use flux *
[01:40] <knapjack> johnnybezak: I hate that for things like Flash it would take Macromedia all of ten minutes to produce a PPC port.
[01:41] <knapjack> Citrix client, too.
[01:41] <johnnybezak> knapjack: yeah the problem is ppc linux is a niche in a niche
[01:41] <apokryphos> thr1ce: if it's just a package you want to install, then you just update that from the repository. No need for a whole system upgrade (if you don't want to make one)
[01:41] <thr1ce> how long do packages like Gaim take before they are updated ?
[01:41] <apokryphos> thr1ce: I have no idea; I don't use gaim.
[01:41] <knapjack> thr1ce: security updates happen as fast as possible.
[01:41] <apokryphos> current is 1.3
[01:41] <thr1ce> knapjack, i mean any given package
[01:41] <apokryphos> *1.4
[01:41] <out_of_focus> then find a 3rd party flash player for ppc linux, or make one yourself.
[01:41] <thr1ce> 1.1.4
[01:41] <tck> thr1ce, what fucntion are you awaiting for with gAIM
[01:41] <apokryphos> *1.1.4
[01:41] <apokryphos> eek, yeah
[01:41] <Zotnix> Woah
[01:42] <Zotnix> That was the biggest... butcher of the gaim name ever.
[01:42] <thr1ce> no, just curious as to how long it would take for it to be updated in the repository
[01:42] <apokryphos> hehe
[01:42] <Zotnix> tck, don't let Gaim developers catch you saying gAIM.
[01:42] <knapjack> thr1ce: usually version updates require you to wait for a new version of that distribution, build from source (not too bad), or try to install the binary from the newer distribution.
[01:42] <thr1ce> like, lets say Gaim 1.1.5 came out yesterday; how long would it take before I can apt-get upgrade it
[01:42] <johnnybezak> out_of_focus: not that interested man :)
[01:42] <sabdfl> night all
[01:42] <Zotnix> They're rabid.
[01:42] <knapjack> thr1ce: Probably never.
[01:42] <apokryphos> thr1ce: 0.2 hours
[01:42] <tck> Zotnix, *mental note*
[01:42] <thr1ce> um...
[01:42] <LinuxJones> thr1ce, you can always take the initiative and package the latest gaim and submit it for inclusion in Ubuntu :)
[01:43] <the_grey_ghost> has anyone had experince with using the miniram how to on the website?
[01:43] <out_of_focus> then just use mac os if you want flash on ppc.
[01:43] <Zotnix> What is gaim on now?
[01:43] <Zotnix> They keep releasing.
[01:43] <thr1ce> 1.1.4
[01:43] <thr1ce> 1.1.3 was bugged to hell
[01:43] <thr1ce> that's why it was released to quickly
[01:43] <knapjack> thr1ce: But, you can add hoary's source packages, do an 'apt-get build-dep gaim' and 'apt-get -b source gaim' and you'll get the new version.
[01:43] <Zotnix> Didn't notice.
[01:43] <knucks> and im back kids
[01:43] <out_of_focus> i don't see why somebody would use linux on a ppc instead of os x--the only reason i can think of is if os x is slow on the machine
[01:44] <knucks> so i cant get libmikmod working
[01:44] <Loiosh> Or, they just hate OSx =)
[01:44] <knucks> why
[01:44] <out_of_focus> i love os x
[01:44] <out_of_focus> but i hate windows!
[01:44] <the_grey_ghost> OSX costs money legallly
[01:44] <knapjack> out_of_focus: linux on PPC rocks.  If I needed linux and had my choice between x86 and PPC, I would run PPC.
[01:44] <thr1ce> knapjack, I would be running hoary...or, cvs style ubuntu, whatever the term is
[01:44] <out_of_focus> i got panther from my friend
[01:44] <thr1ce> i was assuming packages get updated regularly
[01:44] <knapjack> thr1ce: You would be running warty with just the one package from hoary.
[01:44] <johnnybezak> out_of_focus: i just like flux better :) and apps like gimp inkscape etc. work better on linux
[01:45] <the_grey_ghost> I have 20 Imacs with os9 and I don't know what to do with them! Half cannot use ubuntu
[01:45] <thr1ce> knapjack, no, if I ran ubuntu, i would run hoary
[01:45] <apokryphos> naturally
[01:45] <johnnybezak> the_grey_host: why not?
[01:45] <out_of_focus> but are all the same packages for x86 linux able to run on ppc without having to recompile for the ppc platform?
[01:45] <thr1ce> no
[01:45] <johnnybezak> out_of_focus: ubuntu has all packages compiled for ppc
[01:45] <out_of_focus> does ppc ubuntu have universe?
[01:45] <thr1ce> otherwise everyone woudl run os x on x86 :P
[01:45] <knapjack> thr1ce: So you're asking how long before the latest version of package X is in the unstable version of Ubuntu?  It's up to the developer.
[01:45] <out_of_focus> or at least a partially complete universe
[01:46] <esher> whats the difference between latest ubuntu hoary and latest gnoppix 0.9.90b1 Hoary ?
[01:46] <johnnybezak> out_of_focus: yes
[01:46] <the_grey_ghost> Johnny: half cannot boot from CD. I cnould do a net install, but the machines only have 32Mb ram.
[01:46] <out_of_focus> okay then thats good
[01:46] <out_of_focus> in that case i'd be able to get java and such
[01:46] <johnnybezak> out_of_focus: ppc is supported by ubuntu
[01:46] <knapjack> thr1ce: Because Ubuntu shares packages with Debian, the turnaround is usually quick.
[01:46] <knucks> why cant i get xmms working
[01:47] <thr1ce> knapjack, I'm just trying to understand the way ubuntu works...sorry :(  (i've been running slackware for a year or so)
[01:47] <johnnybezak> the_grey_host: i thought all newish macs could boot from the cd - other wise how did you install os 9 on them?
[01:47] <knapjack> thr1ce: ...and I've found that as long as the package in question has a maintainer, you can just email them and say, hey, did you know a new version just came out?
[01:47] <the_grey_ghost> Anyone know a free opensource text browser for os9 macintosh?
[01:47] <out_of_focus> mozilla?
[01:47] <thr1ce> linx?
[01:47] <Loiosh> Hehe
[01:47] <Loiosh> lynx!
[01:47] <the_grey_ghost> Openoffice and Abiword say they need osx
[01:47] <Loiosh> My baby
[01:47] <thr1ce> y
[01:47] <knapjack> the_grey_ghost: BBEdit, but it's not open source
[01:47] <out_of_focus> anybody still using os 9 is umm, why?
[01:47] <johnnybezak> text editor?
[01:47] <knapjack> the_grey_ghost: There's also VIM
[01:47] <out_of_focus> either use os x or linux, cuz os 9 just sucks.
[01:47] <GoneBoB> the_grey_ghost: www.ubuntulinux.org
[01:48] <GoneBoB> it's a free browser
[01:48] <GoneBoB> but it comes with a free OS as well
[01:48] <knapjack> out_of_focus: old world PPC, maybe.
[01:48] <blizah> to get cs working under linux do i have to have cs installed on a windows drive and run it under wine or can i install it on linux and run it under wine?
[01:48] <the_grey_ghost> Out_Of _Focus Because I need to do things Legit. OSX costs money dosen't it?
[01:48] <knucks> ..
[01:48] <knapjack> out_of_focus: or 680x0
[01:48] <thr1ce> knapjack, so...if I change my repositories to the latest and greatest, I could upgrade Gaim regularly whenever it's released?
[01:48] <out_of_focus> 680x0 can't run os 9 :-P
[01:48] <knapjack> Yep, pretty much
[01:48] <johnnybezak> blizah: there is a cs install how to on linux games
[01:48] <thr1ce> is there a changelog of sorts for ubuntu?
[01:48] <apokryphos> thr1ce: you don't change your repositories for new packages
[01:48] <andrewski> thr1ce: as soon as a package is released.
[01:48] <out_of_focus> the highest mac os that a 68k can run is 8.1
[01:48] <the_grey_ghost> Else I would upgrade them
[01:48] <out_of_focus> but linux it can run quite a lot
[01:48] <johnnybezak> blizah: but it can be on your linux filesystem
[01:49] <apokryphos> thr1ce: only for a new distribution version. Like hoary/warty. Taht's the only time...
[01:49] <blizah> yay
[01:49] <thr1ce> apokryphos, I change them to be able to get the latest, right ?
[01:49] <thr1ce> yeah
[01:49] <blizah> linuxgames.com?
[01:49] <thr1ce> ok
[01:49] <johnnybezak> blizah: yep
[01:49] <thr1ce> is there a changelog to see what's new?  or does apt-get update do that?
[01:49] <apokryphos> thr1ce: only when a new version of ubuntu is out. Like when a new version of Slackware would be out.
[01:49] <knapjack> apokryphos: You can add repositories for unsupported packages, or add Debian source repositories if you want a slightly faster turnaround.
[01:49] <apokryphos> thr1ce: for new packages you only need to *update* your sources, and then and then get/install package.
[01:49] <knapjack> apokryphos: Case in point: MPEG support.
[01:50] <thr1ce> apokryphos, well, slackware is different; I read a changelog every few days, find a mirror, and download the new packs
[01:50] <apokryphos> knapjack: of course. :)
[01:50] <knapjack> thr1ce: Compared to that model, ubuntu (and debian) like to keep the same version of the app but patch it for security issues.
[01:50] <apokryphos> thr1ce: the whole apt system is not that hard to understand at all, really; I think you'll see entirely what I mean when you try it.
[01:50] <jeff_> ok how do i mount an .iso file
[01:51] <knapjack> thr1ce: ...until the number of new packages released changes enough to warrant a new release
[01:51] <Loiosh> Use the gui interface though, Thr1ce, hehe =)
[01:51] <King_Crimson> ok lemme tell you wat happened
[01:51] <Loiosh> If you don't want to use the cli apt-get, Synaptec will do the same thing with pretty colors.
[01:51] <DoppelGanger> ha ha
[01:51] <knapjack> jeff_: Something like 'modprobe loop && mount -o loop -t iso9660 some.iso somemountpoint'
[01:52] <satur_no> help me
[01:52] <the_grey_ghost> MPEG support? How do I play MPEG movies on UBUNTU. NO program has worked for me yet!
[01:52] <satur_no> ubuntu italy?
[01:52] <DoppelGanger> dove
[01:52] <thr1ce> yes, I knwo I can pick it up easy (I suppose starting with slack helped kicked my b utt in terms of learnign things quickly)
[01:52] <mdke> ubuntu-it
[01:52] <knapjack> the_grey_ghost: There's an entry in the FAQ.  MPEG is IP-encumbered, so you need to add Someone Else's Repository to get the libraries you need.
[01:52] <satur_no> doppel il canale italiano?
[01:52] <King_Crimson> #nvidia
[01:53] <johnnybezak> the_grey_host: google "ubuntu restricted sources"
[01:53] <mdke> satur_no, ubuntu-it
[01:53] <knapjack> the_grey_ghost: But one you have the right libraries, Totem works just fine.
[01:53] <johnnybezak> the_grey_host: google "ubuntu restricted formats"
[01:53] <johnnybezak> sorry
[01:53] <jeff_> ahh knapjack : when i do that useing sudo first says only root can do that
[01:53] <thr1ce> that's how slackware is; -current is updated regularly, until it's new and stable enough for a new release; then its' snapshotted, boxed up and shipped out
[01:53] <satur_no> grazie
[01:53] <thr1ce> just curious as to if I can do that with ubuntu
[01:53] <knapjack> jeff_: Add another sudo in front of mount
[01:53] <thr1ce> stay bleeding -edge, and have the latest and greatest
[01:53] <apokryphos> thr1ce: it's similar
[01:53] <the_grey_ghost> > thanks guys
[01:53] <apokryphos> I'll try to explain again ;-)
[01:53] <knapjack> jeff_: or now that the loopback module is installed, just sudo mount blah blah blah
[01:54] <thr1ce> apokryphos, I pretty much get it...just reading a few mixed remarks
[01:54] <Cindux> hey all
[01:54] <thr1ce> are there ops in here, out of curiousity?
[01:54] <Loiosh> Yes, thrice
[01:55] <thr1ce> ok :)
[01:55] <Cindux> um i ran visudo to change myself to a sudeor
[01:55] <Cindux> but i dont know what to do ?
[01:55] <Cindux> at all
[01:55] <Loiosh> They just normally don't stay opped
[01:55] <Loiosh> Prevents msg spamming =)
[01:55] <apokryphos> thr1ce: At the moment Warty is the current stable, and Hoary is the current "in developement". Most people (at least as far as I've seen) are running hoary. I do an apt-get dist-upgrade about once a week, and the whole distro is "updated". Bleeding edge, like you say.
[01:55] <Loiosh> Bleeding edge -Ubuntu- =)
[01:56] <apokryphos> That's why I made the comment that it feels like running OS cvs ;-)
[01:56] <thr1ce> apokryphos, ok...I am making sure that I can run those upgrades regularly; with the gaim example, if a new version is out, I don't want to wait for a new distro release to get the latest Gaim
[01:57] <apokryphos> thr1ce: it doesn't work like that at all. Above I'm referring to the "ubuntu-core", not other packages.
[01:57] <Loiosh> Thr1ce: You will still have to wait until Ubuntu gets around to packaging the install though =)
[01:57] <apokryphos> to get the latest packages, well, you just apt-get install gaim, and it installs the newest version.
[01:57] <blizah> does ubuntu (warty) use a fairly new version of wine?
[01:57] <thr1ce> and the newest version don't take very long to be released ?  a few days or so ?
[01:58] <Loiosh> It depends
[01:58] <thr1ce> lets say major packages
[01:58] <Loiosh> Quickly for those (like X.org)
[01:58] <thr1ce> what glibc does hoary currently have?
[01:58] <the_grey_ghost> Any tips in doing a miniram install?
[01:58] <the_grey_ghost> has it worked for anyone?
[01:58] <jeff_> how would i use mplayer to play a vcd mounted at /mnt/cdrom
[01:59] <GoneBoB> jeff_: unmount it
[01:59] <GoneBoB> and run mplayer on the device
[02:00] <thr1ce> anyone...?
[02:00] <thr1ce> does hoary have glibc 2.4.5 yet?
[02:00] <ells> is anyone familiar with acid rip
[02:01] <apokryphos7> thr1ce: sorry, router problems. Wouldn't have got any replies you might have sent..
[02:01] <thr1ce> lol
[02:01] <thr1ce> apokryphos7, can you tell me which glibc is running on hoary currently?
 what glibc does hoary currently have?
[02:01] <jbailey> CVS 2.3.2 snapshot from September 2003 + patches.
[02:01] <ells> who here has experience burning dvds
[02:02] <jeff_> gonebob: its a .iso file i have on my hard drive
[02:02] <soren9580> is there a way to include a password in a shell script?
[02:02] <thr1ce> apokryphos, any idea ?
[02:02] <soren9580> like, if i want to ssh into a machine, and i just want to put the password in the shell script
[02:02] <soren9580> can i do that?
[02:02] <hou5ton> if on an istall, grub was put on the wrong drive, is can it be safely moved to the windows drive?   .... or am i looking at a reinstall?
[02:02] <alavista> Hi All. Just installed Ubuntu (warty). I am in Synaptic, I click Mark All Upgrades but no packages are marked for installation. What's wrong with this one?
[02:02] <johnnybezak> soren: why dont you just change permissions so you dont need a password
[02:02] <GoneBoB> jeff_: simply run mplayer file.iso
[02:02] <apokryphos> thr1ce: hmm, glibc... don't know of it
[02:03] <knapjack> soren9580: Depends.  For ssh, you're better off generating keys and using them to auto-login.
[02:03] <thr1ce> apokryphos, youc an't compile things without it... :)
[02:03] <jbailey> thr1ce: CVS 2.3.2 snapshot from September 2003 + patches.
[02:03] <soren9580> i tried that
[02:03] <thr1ce> jbailey, that's hoary current?
[02:03] <soren9580> but i need to get the sysadmin to turn on RSA
[02:03] <apokryphos> thr1ce: ahh. not gcc?
[02:03] <soren9580> so i can use the keys
[02:03] <jeff_> gonebob: its allll messe dup
[02:03] <soren9580> because its not working now
[02:03] <knapjack> soren9580: And?
[02:03] <jbailey> thr1ce: Yeah.  Basically same as Warty and Debian Sarge.
[02:03] <soren9580> so instead, i'd like to just use my password in cleartext
[02:04] <knapjack> soren9580: You can use DSA keys
[02:04] <soren9580> cause its only gonna be running on my local machine
[02:04] <soren9580> that's what i meant
[02:04] <soren9580> DSA
[02:04] <thr1ce> see, that's what I'd miss; glibc is currently 2.6.3
[02:04] <soren9580> he has to enable something in sshd for dsa to work
[02:04] <tims> ala: need to reload the package list from edit menu
[02:04] <soren9580> which he hasn't currently done
[02:04] <ells> anyone here have experience burning dvds
[02:04] <jbailey> thr1ce: You're probably looking at glib, not glibc.
[02:04] <thr1ce> gcc is 2.3.5
[02:04] <thr1ce> glibc2 is 2.6.3
[02:04] <knapjack> soren9580: There's both RSA and DSA keys.  It may be that only one works on his installation.
[02:05] <soren9580> hrm
[02:05] <soren9580> how can i tell?
[02:05] <apokryphos> erm, gcc here is 3.4.3-9
[02:05] <thr1ce> what is hoary current gcc then ?
[02:05] <knapjack> soren9580: It would be worth trying them both.
[02:05] <hou5ton> i have two harddrives in my laptop .. and on the install, grub was put on the linux hd instead of the windows hd.  Is there a way to safely move it there, or will it require a reinstall?
[02:05] <jbailey> thr1ce: Those version numbers you're spitting at are very very wrong...
[02:05] <thr1ce> d/gcc-3.3.5-i486-1.tgz: Upgraded to gcc-3.3.5.
[02:05] <soren9580> can i just use the password in cleartext?
[02:05] <thr1ce> nope.
[02:05] <apokryphos> thr1ce: no wait... it's 3.3.5
[02:05] <thr1ce> l/glib2-2.6.3-i486-1.tgz: Upgraded to glib-2.6.3.
[02:05] <knapjack> soren9580: I think you can do a ssh -v and get debugging messages where it will tell you.
[02:05] <jbailey> Right.  That glib, not glibc.
[02:06] <thr1ce> jbailey, yes, I corrected myself :P
[02:06] <jbailey> =)
 glibc2 is 2.6.3
[02:06] <jbailey> You need to drop the 'c' from there. =)
[02:06] <thr1ce> so, it seems as though the "cvs" is updated pretty regularly
[02:06] <knapjack> thr1ce: Why do you need the latest glibc2?
[02:06] <thr1ce> jbailey, sorry :(
[02:06] <jbailey> thr1ce: Don't be.  I'd just hate for people to be confused.
[02:07] <ells> anyone here burning dvds on ubuntu
[02:07] <blizah> when in synaptic how to i tell it where to install a package?
[02:07] <knapjack> blizah: The package already knows where it should be installed.
[02:07] <knapjack> blizah: If you want it installed somewhere else, you would need to recompile it, most likely.
[02:07] <blizah> ah k
[02:08] <soren9580> knapjack, i'm getting debug1: read PEM private key done: type DSA
[02:08] <knapjack> soren9580: So it sounds like if you generate DSA keys and put them in the right places, you should be set.
[02:08] <soren9580> well, i've generated DSA keys
[02:08] <thr1ce> is apt-get pretty efficent at removing packages?  like, without leaving files lying around?
[02:09] <soren9580> and i've put one in .ssh/authorized_keys2
[02:09] <knapjack> thr1ce: Very
[02:09] <soren9580> on the server
[02:09] <apokryphos> thr1ce: heh, naturally :D. It removes the ones it would install.
[02:09] <blizah> any reason wine is isntalling in the mplayer folder i just created a little while ago?
[02:09] <blizah> is it supposed to be there?
[02:09] <jbailey> thr1ce: "dpkg --purge" is probably the most complete way.
[02:09] <soren9580> and one in .ssh/id_dsa
[02:09] <knapjack> thr1ce: There's also a package called debfoster that can remove no-longer-needed dependencies.
[02:09] <soren9580> on the local machine
[02:09] <tims> exit
[02:09] <knapjack> thr1ce: ...to prune the tree.
[02:10] <thr1ce> :P
[02:10] <thr1ce> the only thing that's holding me back is lack of fluxbox updates...!
[02:10] <thr1ce> i'm worried now
[02:11] <knapjack> soren9580: My man page says to use authorized_keys instead of authorized_keys2
[02:11] <knapjack> thr1ce: You can always build and install fluxbox from source and skip the package.
[02:11] <eyequeue> knapjack:  2 was used earlier, it's deprecated now, but still sourced for backwards compatibility
[02:12] <thr1ce> knapjack, then it's a pain to remove
[02:12] <knapjack> eyequeue: Ah, gotcha.  Thanks.
[02:12] <aurax> anyone here uses the realtek ALC 860 audio on-board ?
[02:12] <thr1ce> and update
[02:12] <soren9580> i put the public key on the server and the private key on my machine right?
[02:12] <knapjack> thr1ce: I give.  It's easy to update.  If you want to remove it, then why are you worried about it in the first place?
[02:12] <apokryphos> off to bed now; 'night
[02:13] <thr1ce> see ya apokryphos
[02:13] <thr1ce> are non-default ubuntu packs (like fluxbox) maintained regularly ?
[02:13] <cavediver> Anyone tried installing oo2 in hoary. I can't install the packages-
[02:13] <cavediver> Tried openoffice.org2-common, but it fails
[02:14] <soren9580> i tried authorized_keys
[02:14] <soren9580> no such luck
[02:14] <thr1ce> how'd you try to install it?
[02:14] <eyequeue> cavediver:  what was the error (don't paste)
[02:14] <soren9580> i just think he hasn't got it enabled on the machien
[02:14] <soren9580> so how do i do it in cleartext?
[02:14] <jeff_> how can i play a .iso file with gxine?
[02:15] <eleazar-> hi guys, i have this problem with xmms http://pastebin.com/249872
[02:15] <knapjack> thr1ce: Case in point: I *want* (not *need*) the latest bzflag.  There is no package for 2.0 in Warty or Hoary yet.  I added the Debian Unstable repository, did an 'apt-get update && apt-get build-dep bzflag && apt-get -b source bzflag && dpkg -i bzflag*deb' and voila, I'm done, and I have the latest, and it's a package.  No big deal.
[02:15] <LinuxJones> jeff_, usually you need to burn it to dvd or cd
[02:15] <cavediver> eyequeue: package is not available, but is referred to by another package--- E: package has no installation candidate
[02:15] <aurax> so anyone here uses the realtek ALC 860 audio on-board ... ?
[02:15] <eyequeue> knapjack:  you're aware of the dangers with that?
[02:15] <knapjack> eyequeue: Such as?
[02:16] <thr1ce> knapjack, that was run from the source directory ?
[02:16] <knapjack> eyequeue: I'm using the source repository, not the binary.
[02:16] <eyequeue> cavediver:  ah, the pleassures of unstableness, heh ... i'd suggest trying again in a few days, though i don't know specifics about that package
[02:16] <King_Crimson> #nvidia
[02:16] <knapjack> thr1ce: yep, run from /usr/src
[02:16] <eleazar-> anyone?
[02:16] <thr1ce> from /usr/src...? or the bzflag source
[02:16] <cavediver> eyequeue: ohh i see..
[02:16] <cavediver> Will try later then
[02:17] <eyequeue> knapjack:  deb-src?  yes, probably less risky.  generally mixing debian dna ubuntu packages leads to nothing but headaches, but deb-src, that's probably imune to many of them
[02:17] <knapjack> thr1ce: from /usr/src, because the apt-get commands for building from source will automatically do the right thing.
[02:17] <soren9580> so how would i feed the password into the prompt?
[02:18] <eyequeue> soren9580:  i came in late, is this something i could help with?
[02:19] <eyequeue> soren9580:  what are you trying to accomplish?
[02:19] <optish> how do you get gnome or alsa to remember volume levels after a reboot?
[02:20] <DoppelGanger> ask it nicely
[02:20] <eleazar-> anyone here had problems running xmms?
[02:20] <drspi1> eleazar-: do you have libmikmod installed?
[02:21] <thr1ce> ok...thanks for the help; i'll play with this CD for a bit
[02:22] <kaos> I'm tryin to install limewire my intent is to find a repository for synaptic .deb packages and howto run it
[02:23] <drspin> WTF -- I couldn't use my nick...
[02:23] <eleazar-> drspil: nope, i just installed it and it work, thx so much
[02:23] <drspin> eleazar-: Glad I could help!
[02:24] <optish> is gnome/alsa suppose to remember the volume levels through a shutdown/reboot or do i have to enable that somehow?
[02:24] <drspin> why isn't my soundcard working?
[02:24] <thr1ce> so xfce 4.2 is in hoary ?
[02:24] <thr1ce> drspin, because you configured it wrong
[02:24] <optish> thr1ce, it seems like it...i'm downloading it right now
[02:24] <drspin> yes -- so how do i fix it?
[02:24] <drspin> LOL ;)
[02:24] <thr1ce> did you run alsaconf?
[02:25] <drspin> no
[02:25] <thr1ce> ok...
[02:25] <thr1ce> run alsaconf
[02:25] <drspin> LOL... ok ;)
[02:25] <LinuxJones> alsaconf is not included in Ubuntu
[02:26] <DoppelGanger> hmmm
[02:26] <thr1ce> ?!
[02:26] <thr1ce> wow
[02:26] <tck> drspin, try speaker-test in console
[02:26] <LinuxJones> thr1ce, the devs think it's too buggy for inclusion
[02:26] <thr1ce> sorry
[02:26] <drspin> hmmm... K
[02:26] <optish> hey guys....is there a option/config to make alsa/gnome remember volume levels each session?
[02:26] <thr1ce> is alsamixer included?
[02:26] <thr1ce> lol
[02:26] <optish> cause everytime i reboot my volume levels are all muted
[02:27] <thr1ce> alter alsamixer
[02:27] <thr1ce> and then run alsactrl store
[02:27] <thr1ce> unless alsamixer isn't there either
[02:27] <tck> it should be
[02:27] <LinuxJones> alsactrl is there
[02:27] <thr1ce> phew
[02:27] <thr1ce> lol
[02:27] <LinuxJones> :D
[02:27] <thr1ce> sorry bout the alsaconf
[02:28] <optish> do i have to run alsactrl store each time?
[02:28] <thr1ce> no
[02:28] <tck> nope
[02:28] <thr1ce> store will store yourt settings and default them
[02:28] <thr1ce> man alsactrl for other stuff
[02:28] <bulverseburrito> hey guys got a question is it possible for me to rn unbuntu on a p 256 with 60mb ram
[02:28] <binomial> !rules
[02:28] <optish> seems like alsactrl isnt installed but alsamixer is there
[02:28] <knapjack> bulverseburrito: Barely.  Not really.
[02:28] <GoneBoB> bulverseburrito: yes and no
[02:28] <LinuxJones> optish, gnome should be saving those settings for you if you use the gnome-volume-control
[02:28] <thr1ce> optish, root
[02:28] <GoneBoB> mostly no
[02:28] <drspin> tck: no such file or directory...
[02:28] <kaos> hello
[02:28] <knapjack> bulverseburrito: I wouldn't recommend it, but there's an Ubuntu Mini-RAM HOWTO
[02:28] <bulverseburrito> GoneBoB: why not
[02:29] <optish> LinuxJones, i am running it but its not saving it
[02:29] <DoppelGanger> bulverseburrito: cause ubuntu is a ram hog
[02:29] <optish> more over it keeps crashing
[02:29] <optish> if i open the volume control
[02:29] <LinuxJones> optish, yikes
[02:29] <LinuxFire> Compile alsa into the kernel
[02:29] <optish> but everything works fine
[02:29] <knapjack> bulverseburrito: Meaning I would recommend the Mini-RAM if you were going to attempt it, but Nautilus is a RAM hog, and not friendly to older machines.
[02:30] <optish> LinuxFire, i want to stay away from compiling my own kernel..want to stick with the stock
[02:30] <tck> drspin, really ?
[02:30] <GoneBoB> bulverseburrito: it will 'run'
[02:30] <GoneBoB> but there's not enough ram to run a lot of the GUI stuff
[02:30] <thr1ce> how tough is the ubuntu install?  I sorta knwo what I'm doing
[02:30] <bulverseburrito> ok
[02:30] <LinuxJones> bulverseburrito, you might want to try damn small linux on that system
[02:30] <optish> so....any ideas on why gnome volume control aint remembering the levels?
[02:30] <thr1ce> will it find my slack partition and overwrite it?
[02:30] <drspin> tck: it says "Sine wave rate is 440.0000Hz"
[02:31] <bulverseburrito> yeah i was afraid of that
[02:31] <GoneBoB> thr1ce: it's very easy
[02:31] <drspin> tck: ten it says Playback Open Error: File Not Found
[02:31] <johnwlittle> thr1ce: ive installed it 4 times with zero problems..pretty simple actually
[02:31] <tck> well ur sound card aint working :))
[02:31] <DoppelGanger> thr1ce: stick to slack
[02:31] <thr1ce> ?
[02:32] <DoppelGanger> it will run better than ubuntu
[02:32] <DoppelGanger> oh and bulverseburrito you prob can run slack on thath comp
[02:32] <knapjack> DoppelGanger: ...but not the same apps
[02:32] <DoppelGanger> infact i guarantee it
[02:33] <binomial> hey, can anyone help me to get ubuntu to recognize my d-link ethernet card?  the install is telling me it can't find the hardware.
[02:35] <knapjack> DoppelGanger: You can run Ubuntu on anything you can run Slackware on, but it's the app combination that matters.  bulverseburrito isn't going to be happy running GNOME 2.x on that box, no matter which distro.
[02:35] <LinuxFire> Im just pissed the 2.6.11 kernel broke the nvidia installer
[02:38] <Sk8Phate> ...
[02:38] <Sk8Phate> im having truoble installing ubuntu
[02:38] <binomial> the only other distro i know anything about is Arch, and i don't know much about linux at all.  i couldn't find a modprobe.conf or an rc.conf, so not sure what to do here.
[02:38] <bulverseburrito> i'm just pissed i have mental problems :-)
[02:39] <blizah> ubuntu come w/ any bittorrent clients?
[02:41] <ells> anyone here familiar with burning dvds in linux
[02:42] <tims> gnome bittorrent
[02:42] <kaos>  I'm tryin to install limewire my intent is to find a repository for synaptic .deb any help is good
[02:43] <ells> again, is anyone  have experience with burning dvds in linux
[02:43] <OrangeSlice> I burn dvds with nautilus
[02:43] <ells> can you walk me thru it
[02:43] <OrangeSlice> 1.) open nautilus
[02:44] <ells> okay
[02:44] <OrangeSlice> 2.) type "burn:///" into address
[02:44] <OrangeSlice> 3.) push enter
[02:44] <kaos>  I'm tryin to install limewire my intent is to find a repository for synaptic .deb any help is good
[02:44] <ells> okay
[02:45] <kaos>  I'm tryin to install limewire my intent is to find a repository for synaptic .deb any help is good
[02:45] <hou5ton> is Ubuntu supposed to have a grub.conf file ... ????
[02:45] <ells> Orangeslice, what about it says burn to disc?
[02:46] <ells> Orangeslice, do I need to create iso first
[02:46] <OrangeSlice> you drag the files you want to burn into the window
[02:46] <ells> okay
[02:46] <kaos>  I'm tryin to install limewire my intent is to find a repository for synaptic .deb any help is good
[02:47] <kaos>  I'm tryin to install limewire my intent is to find a repository for synaptic .deb any help is good
[02:47] <kaos>  I'm tryin to install limewire my intent is to find a repository for synaptic .deb any help is good
[02:47] <ells> Orangeslice, I see that but what about the drive being one and only
[02:47] <OrangeSlice> what?
[02:47] <hou5ton> hmm ... please ... is Ubuntu supposed to have a grub.conf file?
[02:48] <ells> Orangeslice, will it prompt me to put in a dvd
[02:48] <DoppelGanger> wow kaos you go boy
[02:48] <ells> I am on a laptop with just the one drive
[02:48] <OrangeSlice> I don't know, I always put my disc in beforehand
[02:48] <ells> I will try and see
[02:48] <blizah> are tgz, deb, and rpm all diff package types?
[02:48] <OrangeSlice> yes
[02:49] <blizah> and for ubuntu id want deb?
[02:49] <OrangeSlice> yes
[02:49] <blizah> or tgz?
[02:49] <blizah> k tnx
[02:49] <DoppelGanger> he eh
[02:50] <hou5ton> hey ... can someone at least let me know that my messages are coming through?
[02:50] <Xenguy> hou5ton: hello world :-)
[02:50] <DoppelGanger> hou5ton: your messages are not coming thru
[02:50] <hou5ton> whew ...
[02:50] <hou5ton> :)
[02:50] <hou5ton> hmm ... please ... is Ubuntu supposed to have a grub.conf file?
[02:51] <binomial> i know what driver i'm supposed to install my ethernet card, i just need help with what to put where.
[02:51] <ells> OrangeSlice: it kind of locks up, what tools do I need for this process
[02:52] <hou5ton>  i know i have a /boot/grub/menu.lst .... I'm not understanding how it goes together
[02:52] <aurax> so anyone here uses the realtek ALC 860 audio on-board ... ?
[02:52] <aurax> i just want to know if ubuntu will support it
[02:54] <DoppelGanger> well from bulverseburrito problem i would say nope
[02:54] <DoppelGanger> then again i am lying
[02:55] <johnnybezak> hey guys what is a dangling symlink
[02:55] <Xenguy> johnnybezak: a symlink that points to nothing
[02:55] <eleazar-> anyone knows how can i access my windows partition without being root (mostly with xmms)?
[02:56] <Xenguy> johnnybezak: you can verify by doing -> ls -l <symlink>
[02:56] <johnnybezak> change the owner of your windows partiotion to you
[02:56] <johnnybezak> Xenguy: cool i am just getting mail from cron telling me about it, does it really matter?
[02:56] <elm> mount -t vfat -o uid=1000,gid=1000 /dev/hdaX /media/windows
[02:57] <Xenguy> johnnybezak: it's not a problem, but if you verify the symlink points to nothing (see above), then you can safely delete it to 'cleanup'.
[02:57] <johnnybezak> Xenguy: ok thanks
[02:57] <Xenguy> johnnybezak: yw
[02:57] <skel_home> anyone using the amd64 version of ubuntu (warty) experiencing problems with firefox?
[02:59] <Sk8Phate> problem solved :)
[03:00] <eruin> eleazar-:fstab: /dev/hdXX       /media/windows     vfat    users,umask=000                 0       0
[03:01] <eleazar-> eruin: my hda is in ntfs
[03:01] <eleazar-> eruin: i should change vfat for ntfs right?
[03:02] <eruin> yeah
[03:03] <skel_home> anyone know if there's any plan to update firefox for warty? to 1.0.1 ?
[03:03] <skel_home> I figured that'd be covered in the security updates
[03:03] <skel_home> but not as of yet
[03:03] <eruin> skel_home: not even hoary has that yet
[03:03] <blizah> can i install tar.gz files on ubuntu?
[03:03] <eruin> blizah: you don't install tar.gz files in general :P
[03:04] <eruin> but sure
[03:04] <blizah> oh heh
[03:04] <blizah> ok
[03:04] <skel_home> eruin: know any reason why? just maintainer swamped or something?
[03:04] <eruin> I'd remove the ubuntu package first though, if you've got the program installed already
[03:04] <eruin> skel_home: probably.. I think they discussed it in ubuntu-dev the other day but I forgot what was said ;-)
[03:05] <larsson_> When i watch videos through tv-out, im getting "tearing" in the picture so i need some good video drivers. Any ideas?
[03:05] <skel_home> eruin: okie ty =] 
[03:06] <hou5ton> by the way ... I finally found the answer in the Gentoo channel .... Ubuntu does NOT have a grub.conf file ...
[03:06] <DoppelGanger> eheh
[03:06] <eruin> ubuntu has menu.lst
[03:06] <eruin> :P
[03:06] <DoppelGanger> blind leading the blind
[03:06] <larsson_> Is anyone using tv-out here?
[03:07] <Yomic> Is it possible to run ROSE online in Linux?
[03:07] <larsson_> To watch videos.
[03:09] <bmbet1> Hey.  I just installed Warty and when I logged in there was a X bang centre of screen, but not on the desktop, couldn't figure how to get rid of it, then it just disappeared after I started X-Chat. WTF?
[03:09] <Yomic> So no one here knows if it is possible to run ROSE in Linux?
[03:09] <eleazar-> eruin: thx you it worked
[03:10] <hou5ton> what is the purpose of the line "savedefault" in menu.lst ... under the windows boot options?
[03:11] <eruin> eleazar-: I hear ntfs write support is still kind of experimental though :->
[03:11] <ells> using acid rip it says I need mencoder. I have mplayer, would I automoatically have acidrip
[03:11] <ells> it with acidrip
[03:11] <eleazar-> anyone here has tried to install the nvidia drivers in hoary?
[03:11] <eruin> eleazar-: yeh
[03:12] <hou5ton> what is the purpose of the line "savedefault" in menu.lst ... under the windows boot options?
[03:13] <eleazar-> eruin: i did everything (apt-get the nvidia-kernel-common and nvidia-glx, modprobe nvidia, change the X11 config file) and still i dont get acceleration =/
[03:13] <eruin> eleazar-: using the offical drivers though
[03:13] <eleazar-> eruin: and you didnt have any problems with the official drivers?
[03:14] <eruin> eleazar-: sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[03:14] <eruin> done that?
[03:14] <eruin> eleazar-: no
[03:14] <eleazar-> ok, lemme restart the X
[03:16] <LinuxJones> eruin, are you sure that your not still running xserver-xfree86 ?
[03:16] <Yomic> Is it possible to run ROSE online in Linux?
[03:16] <LinuxJones> Yomic, what is that ?
[03:16] <eruin> LinuxFire: lol
[03:16] <eruin> I've never had xserver-xfree86
[03:17] <Yomic> A windows based MMORPG (Massively Multiplayer Online Roleplaying Game)
[03:17] <LinuxJones> eruin, is there an XF86Config-4 file in your /etc/X11/ directory ?
[03:17] <eruin> no
[03:17] <eruin> as I said, I've never had xfree on this install :P
[03:17] <LinuxJones> eruin, well most peopel upgrade from warty
[03:18] <eruin> me too, but I never had it install X ;)
[03:18] <Frodo> I upgraded from Warty
[03:18] <eleazar-> eruin well i dont know if it works.. but it didnt show the NVIDIA logo when it started
[03:18] <LinuxJones> eruin, ahh
[03:18] <eruin> a package named "seb" horribly stopped me
[03:18] <eruin> :P
[03:18] <eruin> sed maybe
[03:18] <eruin> eleazar-: what does glxgears give you if run from an x terminal?
[03:19] <LinuxJones> eruin, i get 1700
[03:19] <eleazar-> glx missing on display ":0."
[03:19] <LinuxJones> eruin, with a crappy GF2MX
[03:19] <eruin> ehehe
[03:19] <LinuxJones> eruin, there you go
[03:19] <Yomic> Well if nobody knows about ROSE; are there any good games for Linux (preferably RPG)
[03:20] <Yomic> ?*
[03:20] <LinuxJones> eruin, you don't have them installed properly
[03:20] <eruin> don't worry... 2600 here with a gffx5600
[03:20] <eruin> LinuxFire: I do ;-P
[03:20] <eruin> LinuxFire: I run accelerated games like bf1942 through cedega
[03:21] <eruin> can't do that without properly installed nvidia drivers I'm afraid :P
[03:21] <eruin> eleazar-: humm, I'm not familiar with using the ubuntu package for it
[03:21] <DoppelGanger> poor LinuxFire always getting the blame for ppl not tab completeing properly
[03:22] <eruin> eleazar-: I just got the drivers off nvidia.com, apt-get installed linux-headers-k7 and installed the driver
[03:22] <LinuxFire> eruin that would be LinuxJones mot I
[03:22] <LinuxJones> or linuxboy
[03:22] <eruin> stop having similar names you bastards!
[03:22] <eruin> :p
[03:22] <DoppelGanger> how about linuxgirl
[03:22] <DoppelGanger> i wanna be linuxgirl
[03:22] <eleazar-> ok, eruin thx anyway you're a great helper.. ill try that
[03:23] <phate> I want a linuxgirl
[03:23] <eruin> eleazar-: might wanna dpkg --purge nvidia-glx first
[03:23] <phate> Who wouldn't ;D
[03:23] <StoffBox-Steve>  ;)
[03:23] <eruin> and replace linux-headers-k7 with whatever flavour you're running ;-)
[03:24] <eleazar-> eruin: my processor is an athlon, what headers are good for me?
[03:25] <bulverseburrito> ha ha
[03:25] <bulverseburrito> better than a fat cat
[03:26] <StoffBox-Steve> :)
[03:27] <eleazar-> eruin: the k7 ones will work fine with me?
[03:28] <dottedline> I let synaptic update ubuntu-base on my PC, and now I have an empty ubuntu UI - that happen to anyone else?
[03:29] <StoffBox-Steve> *GG* this is so funny, i have a B/W Pic here, windows/Photoshop shows the tumb in color .. but when you open it its B/W ...
[03:29] <eruin> eleazar-: yes :)
[03:30] <eruin> dottedline: nope, not here
[03:30] <Kraeloc> Howdy.
[03:31] <dottedline> eruin: I don't have a clue
[03:31] <TerminX> perhaps someone can help me with this problem that just popped up.. one of my panels detached, and won't reattach to the bottom where it goes.. it's not a drawer/child panel, either, it's just a normal panel and now it's floating
[03:31] <dottedline> I am sure glad I can use the console...
[03:32] <DoppelGanger> oh no the world is gonna end
[03:32] <TerminX> ah, "expand" checkbox.. must've gotten reset when the panel crashed ;)
[03:36] <Sk8Phate> hmmm. does anyone know how to set up USB internet on ubuntu
[03:37] <Kraeloc> I don't have any problems yet, but the Aptiva I just installing warty on is hateful and cranky, so I expect some soon.
[03:37] <kaos> has anybody found an answer to how I install Limewire
[03:38] <jesuel> Kraeloc: my laptop is cranky too.
[03:39] <otterit> hello..has anyone used an atmel wireless device and ndiswrapper?
[03:39] <Benoni> Where would I find the Kerberos 5 command line tools (e.g. "kinit") for Ubuntu Hoary?
[03:40] <dottedline> eruin: it looks like my gnome desktop is somehow corrupted, at least the panels are.  I will figure it out eventually.
[03:40] <Kraeloc> Ok....
[03:40] <otterit> * sigh * no wireless users with an atmel chipset?
[03:40] <JDahl> benoni, (as allways): apt-cache search kerberos
[03:42] <Benoni> JDahl: Right, that's where I am looking.  All I see are libraries and development packages.  Nothing that looks like user command-line tools.
[03:42] <Kraeloc> I have a Mac with a USB to Serial adapter plugged in to my PC running Warty via DB9, and the PC is connected to my router via standard 100MBPS ethernet. I need the PC with Warty to be act as a router. Who can help? /msg, please.
[03:42] <kaos> please can somebody help find an anwser to how I install 'Limewire'?
[03:42] <_phate_> what is the package tree for Ubuntu so out of date?
[03:42] <JDahl> Benoni, I would look at krb5-user
[03:42] <Kraeloc> Anybody?
[03:43] <Benoni> JDahl, I see no package named "krb5-user" in the Ubuntu Hoary package list.
[03:43] <Kraeloc> Shall I repeat my question, or give up?
[03:43] <Benoni> (Which is why I'm a bit puzzled, because that's where I expected to find it.)
[03:43] <JDahl> Benoni, I use Warty.. do you have universe and multiverse enabled?
[03:43] <_phate_> Kraeloc: IPtables?
[03:44] <Kraeloc> _phate_, what about them?
[03:44] <Kraeloc> Rather, what are they/it?
[03:44] <Benoni> JDahl, I've just come over from Fedora-land.  Can you explain further what you mean by universe & multiverse, and what it means to enable them?
[03:45] <Kraeloc> Even a link to a nice tutorial would suffice,
[03:45] <_phate_> they are a way of specifing where certain IP traffic goes
[03:45] <_phate_> try googling for one
[03:46] <LinuxJones> Benoni, universe and multiverse are repositories with a very large amount of unsupported software
[03:46] <JDahl> Kraeloc, I think you can safely assume that if noone answers your question, it's because we dont know...
[03:46] <netpuppy> checking how to run the C++ preprocessor... /lib/cpp
[03:46] <netpuppy> configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[03:46] <Kraeloc> Ok.
[03:46] <netpuppy> why the hell does it try to use /lib/cpp?
[03:47] <LinuxJones> Benoni, things like fluxbox and xfce and tons of other stuff like fonts..etc
[03:47] <Kraeloc> Well, I guess I figured a channel named #ubuntu with nearly 400 people in it would have someone who could help.
[03:47] <netpuppy> I have a cpp binary in /usr/bin
[03:47] <Kraeloc> My bad.
[03:47] <Benoni> LinuxFire: OK, cool.  Sounds like just what I need.
[03:47] <JDahl> Benoni, you need to enable additional repositories... use either Synaptic, or directly edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:47] <_phate_> Kraeloc: sorry
[03:47] <_phate_> I'm a n00b to a good extent
[03:47] <LinuxJones> Benoni, most user enable universe at least like 15000 packages available
[03:47] <Kraeloc> Not a problem, there's some helpfulk things at tldp.org
[03:48] <LinuxJones> errr users
[03:48] <Benoni> JDahl, understood.  I am familiar with apt repository configuration.  All I need is the URLs.  Do you have those handy?
[03:48] <Kraeloc> Toodles,
[03:48] <larsson_> Hi, when using vidix and tv-out everything looks good on my monitor but on my TV the xine window is pink. Any ideas? Cause im all out.
[03:48] <JDahl> Benoni, just add "universe multiverse" to the end of every line with "hoary"
[03:48] <DoppelGanger> man no one can tab complete LinuxFire
[03:48] <LinuxJones> Benoni, check out www.ubuntuguide.org it has lots of great stuff for the new Ubuntu user
[03:49] <Benoni> JDahl: Oh, I see.  So these are different sections of the official distribution, not completely different repositories on some other server somewhere.
[03:50] <avirox> hi, i have a question
[03:50] <Benoni> LinuxJones: OK, thanks for the pointer.  Reading....
[03:50] <LinuxJones> ;)
[03:50] <avirox> after i use dpkg in the shell window
[03:50] <avirox> where do programs install to?
[03:50] <avirox> Unpacking winesetuptk (from winesetuptk_0.7-1.1_i386.deb) ...
[03:50] <avirox> Setting up winesetuptk (0.7-1.1) ...
[03:50] <avirox> and that's it..
[03:50] <JDahl> Benoni, yes.. I doubt you will ever need unofficial repositories
[03:51] <larsson_> What are ,deb-source good for?
[03:51] <usual> can someone ban Crissy^^?
[03:51] <larsson_> I mean, does apt compile it for me?
[03:51] <LinuxJones> avirox, you can use the whereis command to find programs like whereis mozilla-firefox
[03:51] <Benoni> JDahl & LinuxJones, thank you very much for your help.  I should be good to go from here.
[03:51] <LinuxJones> Benoni, gl you will love Ubuntu :)
[03:52] <usual> Crissy^^ is doing onjoin porn msg's
[03:52] <Benoni> Actually, one last question beore I go.  What's the difference between "universe" and "multiverse"?
[03:52] <GoneBoB> universe is everything that's not ubuntu main
[03:52] <JDahl> usual, cant you use /ignore?
[03:52] <_phate_> way is the package tree for ubuntu so out of date? FireFox 1.0 has been around for awhile, yet Ubuntu only has FF 0.9.3, what gives?
[03:52] <GoneBoB> multiverse is packages with questionable legality
[03:53] <Benoni> GoneBoB: heh.  Got it.  Thanks.
[03:53] <GoneBoB> _phate_: that was current when warty was released
[03:53] <JDahl> and there's also a "restricted" repository
[03:53] <utsav> _phate  use Hoary .. It's stable and has all the l8st
[03:53] <utsav> I'm on it right now
[03:53] <utsav> It's gr8 stuff
[03:53] <_phate_> GoneBoB: How can a package have questionable legality?
[03:54] <GoneBoB> _phate_: quite easily.. for example mplayer
[03:54] <usual> JDahl, does that solve the problem?
[03:54] <eruin> by including packages that are illegal under some jurisdictions
[03:54] <utsav> specifically w32codecs
[03:54] <eruin> like american
[03:54] <JDahl> _phate_, warty only receives security updates
[03:54] <_phate_> utsav: I though Hoary was still in beta
[03:54] <GoneBoB> _phate_: it is
[03:54] <avirox> linuxjones i still cant find it :/
[03:54] <GoneBoB> however you can use it if you wish
[03:54] <utsav> It is... but It doesn;t feel like beta
[03:54] <eruin> _phate_: it's in freeze
[03:54] <utsav> It's going to be released next month
[03:54] <utsav> so it's pretty good right now
[03:54] <eruin> _phate_: so pretty stable
[03:54] <Benoni> Good high-level description of main/restricted/universe/multiverse: <http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components>
[03:54] <avirox> root@ubuntu:/ # whereis wine*
[03:54] <avirox> wine*:
[03:55] <avirox> and thats it
[03:55] <LinuxJones> avirox, did you install wine ?
[03:55] <utsav> Haven't had a single hickup.. in fact. no hickups
[03:55] <avirox> i installed the tar gz of cedega
[03:55] <NobleArc> what version of X-Chat is in Hoary?  The one in Warty pains me. :0
[03:55] <avirox> and i use dpkg on winesetupTK
[03:55] <avirox> I'm looking for winesetuptk
[03:55] <eruin> can you use * in whereis?
[03:55] <avirox> but i cannot find it
[03:55] <eruin> I dont think you can
[03:55] <avirox> eruin u can
[03:55] <LinuxJones> avirox, wine is in the universe repository, you can use apt-get/synaptic to installit
[03:55] <avirox> i just tried it
[03:55] <avirox> it found my other files
[03:56] <eruin> hmm yeah
[03:56] <Benoni> NobleArc, I just installed Hoary and am using X-Chat 2.4.1.
[03:56] <NobleArc> ah, good. Thanks.
[03:56] <avirox> jones: it's nto in mine
[03:56] <avirox> atleast not in the gui
[03:56] <avirox> heh
[03:56] <utsav> I have a quick question.. I want to compile a vanilla ubuntu kernel.. How should I go about getting the source?
[03:57] <LinuxJones> avirox, you need to enable universe go here an look for adding repositories >> www.ubuntuguide.org
[03:57] <avirox> i know how to add repositories
[03:57] <LinuxJones> utsav, you need to search for linux-source
[03:58] <avirox> hmm but this universe thing
[03:58] <avirox> ill check that out :o
[03:58] <JDahl> utsav, kernel-source
[03:58] <GoneBoB> utsav: there is a package for the source, I would not recommend compiling your own kernel
[03:58] <LinuxJones> avirox, ok just add universe and in synaptic click reload then search for wine
[03:58] <avirox> aaaand ubuntu is freezing on me again
[03:58] <LinuxJones> Benoni, universe is awesome :)
[03:59] <utsav> GoneBob : thanks for the concern. but I'm from gentooland
[03:59] <avirox> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/ isnt loading for me
[03:59] <utsav> I actually just want to apply a silly patch for my touchpad
[04:00] <Benoni> Thanks again, JDahl & LinuxJones!
[04:00] <avirox> brb n thanks jones
[04:00] <avirox> :P
[04:00] <LinuxJones> avirox, have fun :)
[04:01] <pugio> hello, I will now render the classic and most common phrase used here
[04:01] <pugio> "HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLP"
[04:02] <pugio> good, now. I am having the weiredes problem I've ever seen in Warty
[04:02] <pugio> I had a friend who started up the worms game (at least, that's what he thinks the last thing is he did) and all of a sudden a bunch of programs disappeared
[04:02] <pugio> those programs were gdm and some other pieces of gnome
[04:03] <pugio> so now, the user couldn't log in normally, AND gnome isn't working correctly
[04:03] <_phate_> After reading http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components, I take it Ubuntu is sticking to the Debian philosophy
[04:03] <pugio> giving errors like "Failed to execute /usr/lib/control-center/gnome-settings-daemon
[04:03] <utsav> silly question:   so is the kernel-source package just the stock linux kernel.. or will it give me a ubuntu kernel.. Do I have to find any ubuntu patches and apply those?
[04:03] <pugio> (no such file or directory)
[04:04] <JDahl> pugio, look at /var/log/gdm*
[04:04] <pugio> ok, but it uninstalled gdm
[04:04] <pugio> I had to reinstall it
[04:04] <pugio> this is the second time it happended, but the first time only gdm was affected, and not other parts of gnome
[04:04] <JDahl> pugio, gdm was uninstalled by a crashing program?
[04:04] <LinuxJones> utsav, the ubuntu source will have ubuntu patches
[04:05] <pugio> JDahl:  that's what it looks like (or for some other reason) as well as other parts of gnome
[04:06] <JDahl> pugio, I flat out refuse to believe that a package can be uninstalled by a crashing program
[04:06] <LinuxJones> utsav, why are you compiling the kernel ?
[04:06] <pugio> JDahl: well, then HOW did that happen?
[04:06] <pugio> JDahl: now I have no idea how to fix it.... is there some way to redo gnome?
[04:07] <pugio> for instance, the settings daemon isn't there (/usr/lib/control-center/gnome-settings-daemon
[04:07] <JDahl> pugio, what does "dpkg -l gdm" tell you?
[04:07] <pugio> well, seeing as how I just "apt-get install gdm"'d
[04:08] <pugio> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
[04:08] <pugio> | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
[04:08] <pugio> |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
[04:08] <pugio> ||/ Name                                  Version                               Description
[04:08] <pugio> +++-[04:08] <pugio> ii  gdm                                   2.6.0.3-1ubuntu20                     GNOME Display Manager
[04:08] <pugio> wooooooops
[04:08] <pugio> sorry everyone
[04:08] <pugio> anyway, there it is
[04:09] <JDahl> pugio, try to make the problem happen again, then look at the logs and try "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart"
[04:10] <pugio> JDahl: right, well, this problem occured once before, and I'm telling you - GDM DID NOT EXIST
[04:10] <pugio> seriously, one minute it was there
[04:10] <pugio> the next, the /usr/bin/gdm was gone
[04:10] <pugio> not even an error log
[04:10] <pugio> zip zilch nadda
[04:11] <pugio> it was gone, I had to reinstall it
[04:11] <pugio> anyway, I'm still having issues with Gnome
[04:11] <pugio> is there any way to reset that?
[04:12] <JDahl> pugio, what problems? one thing that often bugged me is that .ICEauthority got wrong permissions if gnome crashed
[04:12] <Sk8Phate> does anyone know how to get a USB DSL modem to work with ubuntu?
[04:12] <pugio> JDahl:  when I try to start gdm, it works fine (now) but when I log in I get a brown screen with only a single program started
[04:13] <pugio> there are no menus, top or bottom, only a brown screen and a single program
[04:13] <JDahl> pugio, killall gnome-panels
[04:13] <pugio> additionally, the error message "Failed to execute /usr/lib/control-center/gnome-settings-daemon (No such file or directory)
[04:13] <utsav> LinuxJones Once I saw that with an alps patch, my touchpad could have circular scrolling, I decided it's amust do
[04:13] <pugio> and.... it's right, /usr/lib/control-center/ does NOT exist
[04:14] <pugio> JDahl:  that 'killall' responded with "gnome-panels: no process killed"
[04:14] <LinuxJones> utsav, nice
[04:14] <utsav> LinuxJones  Hopefully my last question.. I've got all the patches applied now.. I was just wondering if I can use an existing kernel config from ubuntu
[04:15] <_phate_> how would I install Xfce?
[04:15] <utsav> Instead of having to figure out what to install or not to install
[04:15] <pugio> in fact, JDahl  the message I am gettting is this: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=5649355&forum_id=4714
[04:15] <utsav> I think xfce is in universe
[04:15] <LinuxJones> utsav, yeah it's in /boot/
[04:15] <pugio> JDahl:  while I'm running a normal Ubuntu system on x86, the message in the top thread is what pops up when I log in and get the blank brown screen
[04:16] <_phate_> so just 'sudo apt-get install xfce'? Then how do I set it up so I can use it?
[04:16] <LinuxJones> utsav, just copy it over to /usr/src/linux and make your changes and your good to go
[04:16] <LinuxJones> utsav, of course you will have to rename it
[04:17] <JDahl> pugio, I am sort of clueless... but if you can reproduce the error and document that part of gnome gets uninstalled you need to file a bugreport.. if nothing works, you can purge everything related to gnome and reinstall it, to get a clean slate
[04:17] <pugio> JDahl: will that work ok with Ubuntu? will everything be configured properly (the full re-install that is)
[04:18] <JDahl> pugio, yes... it's general frawned upon but occasionally you just want to get rid of all debconf info and started over.. use dpkg --purge for that
[04:19] <Sk8Phate> does anyone know how to get a USB DSL modem to work with ubuntu?
[04:19] <maximaus> _phate_, just install xfce, log out, kill gdm with crl alt backspace, and choose xfce in the login manager.
[04:19] <tux_> hey, I just heard from a friend's 8 year old... he's using Ubuntu on his laptop - the kid is
[04:20] <tux_> and loves it
[04:20] <maximaus> my 13 and 15 y/o cousins in Sweden use it, and we know how finicky teenagers are. LOL
[04:20] <NobleArc> -_-
[04:20] <NobleArc> *is 15*
[04:21] <pugio> JDahl: and the command for that would be...... dpkg --purge gnome? and apt-get install gnome ?
[04:21] <maximaus> and sensitive too.
[04:21] <maximaus> :P
[04:21] <NobleArc> bah!
[04:21] <NobleArc> =(
[04:21] <NobleArc> You just made my list!
[04:21] <NobleArc> ...of people who have made a fool of me on freenode. o_O
[04:22] <Yomic> How do you run a .run file? (It is an istallation package)
[04:22] <LinuxJones> Yomic, sh whatever.bin
[04:23] <Yomic> But it's a .run file
[04:23] <LinuxJones> Yomic, you might need root priviliges tho
[04:23] <JDahl> pugio, try "dpkg --purge gdm gnome", "apt-get install gdm gnome"... you might need to need to add --force to the dpkg command
[04:23] <NobleArc> sh whatever.run :P
[04:23] <LinuxJones> Yomic, that's ok
[04:23] <Yomic> Okay ;P
[04:23] <pugio> JDahl: ok thanks
[04:23] <Yomic> Thanks ;)
[04:23] <LinuxJones> Yomic, sorry too much vodka :P
[04:23] <_phate_> How do I setup a printer in Ubuntu?
[04:23] <_phate_> never mind
[04:24] <_phate_> its under system config
[04:24] <Yomic> No problem :P
[04:30] <aluser> I like the near-hourly updates to hoary
[04:30] <the_grey_ghost> anyone using a low end pc there
[04:31] <dinet> wath packages are needed for compiling on a ubuntu-system?
[04:31] <JDahl> dinet, build-essential is an easy way to get it
[04:31] <LinuxJones> dinet, install build-essential
[04:32] <dinet> oh
[04:32] <JDahl> the_grey_ghost, I am using a P3-1GHz, 256MB ram
[04:32] <the_grey_ghost> jdahl I'm after lower then that. Having trouble with Miniram install
[04:33] <the_grey_ghost> Got Ubuntu going on my 400 MHZ 192mb ram
[04:33] <the_grey_ghost> But need to go lower
[04:34] <pugio> hey, does anyone here have a "/usr/lib/control-center/" direcotry in their ubuntu install?
[04:35] <JDahl> pugio, yes.
[04:35] <pugio> JDahl: AH HAH, well, mine isn't there
[04:35] <pugio> JDahl: as I said, parts of the install just disappeared!
[04:35] <maximaus> JDahl, I wish I'd known about build-essential a few weeks ago--is it a standard metapackage for all Debian distros?
[04:36] <JDahl> maximaus, I think it's Ubuntu specific... Debian used to have a task package called "software development" or something like that
[04:37] <aluser> build-essential is wonderful
[04:37] <redissexy> indeed
[04:37] <Yomic> I just got an error while installing a game:
[04:37] <Yomic> tommy@TommyCockrell:~ $ sh PlaneShift_CBV0.3.007-1.x86.run
[04:37] <Yomic> Verifying archive integrity... All good.
[04:37] <Yomic> Uncompressing Planeshift Crystal Blue..........................
[04:37] <Yomic> /home/tommy/.setup6719: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[04:37] <maximaus> a smart package, I'll turn my converts on to it. :D
[04:37] <Yomic> Can anyone help?
[04:37] <JDahl> pugio, "dpkg -S /usr/lib/control-center" shows that capplets provides the directory
[04:38] <pugio> "dpkg: /usr/lib/control-center not found." JDahl
[04:38] <JDahl> pugio, so your capplet is probably not there :S
[04:39] <pugio> well, I don't have the GNOME Control Center installed
[04:39] <pugio> it says "rc" next to it's list in dpkg -l, what does that mean?
[04:40] <_phate_> I'm reading the Ubuntu FAQ, what the heck is ment by the question: "What happens with the version number in 2100?"
[04:41] <JDahl> Yomic, you probably need libgtk1.2-dev
[04:42] <Yomic> How would I go about getting that?
[04:42] <maximaus> Yomic, open up Synaptic and have a search
[04:42] <JDahl> pugio, c means removed but not purged (config files are still there), Try purge capplets
[04:42] <maximaus> or just "sudo apt-get install libgtk1.2-dev"
[04:43] <zenrox> whoops
[04:43] <Yomic> apt-get, alright
[04:43] <Yomic> Thanks.
[04:43] <pugio> JDahl: well, I did "apt-get install gnome-control-center" - as that also mysteriously got uninstalled
[04:44] <pugio> JDahl: which leads me to the issue of WHY do random parts keep disappearing???
[04:45] <JDahl> pugio, it's weird indeed... are you out of diskspace?
[04:45] <pugio> JDahl: not in the least
[04:45] <pugio> things just DISAPEAR
[04:46] <pugio> and not in a random way too, when something disappears, the entire package disappears all otgehter
[04:47] <JDahl> pugio, I am afraid this is out of my league... maybe you could try asking jdub next time he is around (provided the problem is gnome related)
[04:48] <pugio> alrighty
[04:49] <JDahl> pugio, to temporarily fix things, you could just install fluxbox...
[04:49] <pugio> heh heh
[04:49] <pugio> unfortunately, my buddies who use it wouldn't like that, they're new to linux and I told them it was less buggy than windows
[04:49] <maximaus> or XFCE or post a query to http://ubuntuforums.org/
[04:50] <JDahl> pugio, if you'd installed Warty it would be :P
[04:50] <maximaus> I wouldn't say it's less buggy, but it's more stable. :P
[04:50] <maximaus> I <3 Warty.
[04:56] <phester> hello
[04:57] <ells> is anyone familiar on how I can get transcode and get it installed
[04:57] <ells> apt-get wont do it
[04:58] <thierry> I'd like to fix ubuntu bug 3176 but I don't know where to make the changes in the firefox source... any ideas?
[04:59] <phester> I can't install gpp with apt-get, it can't find the package!
[04:59] <ells> you know, i am so pissed about acid rip and some packages not working, I think I might just go ahead and put debian on here
[04:59] <phester> what to do?
[05:00] <phester> hehe
[05:00] <JDahl> phester, Isnt it called g++?
[05:01] <phester> JDahl, I don't know, my friend told me gpp
[05:01] <phester> I'l test!
[05:02] <_phate_> Any idea how to setup a HP PSC 1315v? I can't get it to work as a postscript printer so I'm assuming its not one
[05:02] <ells> is anyone familiar on how I can get transcode and get it installed
[05:04] <phester> JDahl, It did the trick!!
[05:04] <_phate_> ells: whats transcode?
[05:04] <phester> thank you!!
[05:04] <ells> it is necessary to install dvd rip and use acid rip
[05:04] <ells> it wont install thru apt get
[05:05] <ells> it says it is a broken package
[05:05] <_phate_> it might be in either universe or multiverse
[05:06] <ells> I have tried that
[05:06] <Levander> can someone tell me how to change my domain name?
[05:06] <ells> _phate, can you burn dvds
[05:06] <NobleArc> scower the web for a .deb of transcode? o_O
[05:15] <pussfeller> Levander, you mean in /etc/hostname?
[05:17] <hayden> hi
[05:18] <_phate_> GAH! FireFox keeps crashing! Stupid old version...
[05:19] <hayden> is kde of gnome better?
[05:19] <NobleArc> can't..stand..0.9.3..
[05:19] <NobleArc> need..1.0.1...
[05:19] <_phate_> if it wasn't for the fact that ubuntu desktop requires it, i'd just apt-get remove it,
[05:19] <_phate_> same here
[05:20] <NobleArc> Oh well.
[05:20] <NobleArc> I just have to wait another month. >.<
[05:20] <hayden> update to hoary
[05:20] <NobleArc> waiting for Hoary to be released, heh.
[05:20] <hayden> at least u get to firefox 1.0 then
[05:20] <_phate_> I ain't waiting I'm dling the binary from mozilla.org right now
[05:20] <NobleArc> I'm too lazy.  For the first time ever, both Unreal Tournament 2004 and Counter-Strike -- cedega -- work in Linux.  They never, EVER have both before.  I always had one or the other.  I'm not messing with it.
[05:22] <_phate_> NobleArc: Thats why you dualboot Ubuntu and Win2k (on a 4GB partition)
[05:22] <NobleArc> eh.
[05:22] <NobleArc> I don't like Windows. -_-
[05:22] <NobleArc> haven't booted into it in about six days now.
[05:22] <_phate_> I also believe that there is a UT2k4 binary for linux
[05:22] <NobleArc> I'm using the UT2K4 Linux binary,
[05:22] <NobleArc> but CS is through Steam with Cedega.
[05:22] <NobleArc> Either UT2K4 or Cedega would work, in every distro I ever used -- 'cept Debian, neither with it, although I love Debian. =\
[05:23] <NobleArc> Never both, 'til now.  I will /not/ touch it. :P
[05:23] <_phate_> Steam? On Linux? Thats just bad taste!
[05:24] <NobleArc> lol.
[05:24] <NobleArc> I could live without Steam, but I love CS.
[05:24] <_phate_> leave the crap on windows.
[05:24] <NobleArc> not as much as UT2K4 of course. :0
[05:24] <_phate_> I thought CS didn't need steam to play online
[05:24] <NobleArc> Oh it does.
[05:24] <NobleArc> CS needs Steam to play at all. :0
[05:24] <GoneBoB> _phate_: oh yes
[05:25] <GoneBoB> no steam no play
[05:25] <NobleArc> =\
[05:25] <_phate_> speaking of that CS sucks egg next to Halo 2 and Xbox Live
[05:25] <_phate_> thats just stupid
[05:25] <NobleArc> I bought a cruddy $15 (CDN) version of Blue-Shift a while back, just so I could play CS on Steam.
[05:25] <OrangeSlice> Halo 2 without xbox live isn't worth owning, however.
[05:25] <NobleArc> I've not yet played Halo 2.
[05:25] <NobleArc> I played the original Halo and loved it, but I like UT2K4 more.
[05:26] <OrangeSlice> it's too much trouble to get 16 people in a game under one roof, though we did it once :p
[05:26] <_phate_> OrangeSlice: Now thats just BS
[05:26] <hayden> Halo and UT are totally different
[05:26] <GoneBoB> I have an xbox a PC and a PS2 and I'll take the PS2 over the xbox anyday
[05:26] <GoneBoB> in any case, this is somewhat offtopic
[05:26] <NobleArc> heh, yeah.
[05:26] <OrangeSlice> there is no topic :p
[05:26] <NobleArc> It's all my fault. :0
[05:26] <hayden> GoneBoB: you must love playing with yourself alot then
[05:26] <NobleArc> The official topic is .. uh.. 'Give NobleArc money.'
[05:27] <GoneBoB> hayden: I use my PC to play multiplayer games
[05:27] <coroner> goto love the xbox's networking/modding capabilities tho
[05:27] <OrangeSlice> actually, it's "Send me a birthday present"
[05:27] <_phate_> Meh, its not like anyone was talking about anything else
[05:27] <Coily> does anyone know of a wine monitoring program. im fiddling around with some installs but the only thing i can think of is to compare with fresh wine install
[05:27] <_phate_> coroner: I concor with that
[05:28] <NobleArc> The people here can't spell.  It's like a rule or something. :0
[05:29] <OrangeSlice> I pride myself in my spelling abilities.
[05:29] <NobleArc> Well, good for you.  You're fine.
[05:29] <NobleArc> Must..do..all..I..can..to..avoid..correcting..everyone's..grammar!
[05:29] <NobleArc> Well, not everyone's.
[05:31] <hayden> is there a way to run a batch of command line things just by executing 1 file?
[05:31] <OrangeSlice> shell script
[05:31] <_phate_> I think thats called scripting? Might just be me...
[05:31] <DeFi[gsr-pro] > yea its called a batch script oddly enough :P
[05:32] <_phate_> :D
[05:32] <hayden> how do i do it
[05:34] <hayden> not too quick to answer now
[05:39] <hayden> ?
[05:41] <NobleArc> *clears throat*
[05:42] <crimsun> hayden: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO.html
[05:44] <johnnybezak> hayden: the guide on BASH is better writen, and more thorough so check that out too (its also on tldp.org, under guides)
[05:45] <hayden> ok thanks
[05:47] <netpuppy> err... why can't rhythmbox play mp3's by default on ubuntu?
[05:47] <pvh> Hoary's giving me no love on the updates -- lots of packages with status "failed" on the download. Whut up?
[05:47] <GoneBoB> netpuppy: because mp3 is patented
[05:47] <crimsun> netpuppy: because the patent situation is ambiguous
[05:47] <pvh> netpuppy: Enable universe. I'd recommend you install amarok while you're at it.
[05:48] <pvh> netpuppy: Because amarok, if you have a biggish collection, is the best damn MP3 player I've ever used.
[05:48] <netpuppy> then how about microsoft ttf fonts?
[05:48] <NobleArc> Those were released by Microsoft. o_O
[05:50] <johnnybezak> whats amarok like?
[05:50] <crimsun> amarok has a very interesting approach to "playlists"
[05:51] <crimsun> netpuppy: enable multiverse and install msttcorefonts
[05:51] <netpuppy> multiverse? :)
[05:51] <eruin> wow
[05:51] <eruin> nautilus really loves being SLOW and eating RESOURCES when firefox is downloading alot :P
[05:52] <bob2> netpuppy: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[05:53] <pvh> johnnybezak: Amarok... Well, where can I begin.
[05:53] <_phate_> how do I link to things? I have a partition (/stuff) how do I make a link to it in may home folder?
[05:53] <pvh> johnnybezak: It's a bit like iTunes in terms of immediate interface.
[05:53] <Brunellus> help--I accidentally moved the top taskbar thing to the right-hand side (gnome) and I don't know how to move it back?
[05:53] <pvh> johnnybezak: Most of the screen is taken up by the playlist that's on right now.
[05:54] <errr> how do I add another WM to my GDM list? I installed fluxbox and followed the directions here: http://fluxbox.org/docs/en/faq.php#gdm but that didnt work. any ideas what I need to do?
[05:54] <pvh> johnnybezak: The left hand side of the screen displays contextual information in a sidebar.
[05:54] <kurros> _phate_: middle click-drag in nautilus and select create link
[05:54] <netpuppy> Brunellus, gconf-editor
[05:54] <netpuppy> errr, make an entry in /usr/share/xsessions
[05:54] <pvh> johnnybezak: The "currently playing" tab has information about the song, other albums by that artist,
[05:54] <guestish> hi
[05:55] <errr> netpuppy: oh ok thanks
[05:55] <netpuppy> errr, you could use Gnome as a template
[05:55] <guestish> how similar is ubtuntu to debian?
[05:55] <pvh> johnnybezak: The best part (I think) is how tightly it's integrated into Audioscrobbler.
[05:55] <netpuppy> guestish, very
[05:55] <johnnybezak> puh: cool mb i'll have a look, i'm using rhythmbox which isnt bad
[05:55] <netpuppy> guerby, except up-to-date
[05:55] <_phate_> now how do I set permissions for a partition?
[05:55] <johnnybezak> pvh: whats Audioscrobbler?
[05:55] <guestish> more up to date then sid?
[05:55] <Brunellus> netpuppy: that doesn't help me
[05:55] <netpuppy> I think so
[05:55] <Brunellus> what am I supposed to do?
[05:55] <netpuppy> Brunellus, why not?
[05:55] <pvh> johnnybezak: It's the coolest thing in the world.
[05:55] <guestish> really? i thought ubuntu got their packages from sid
[05:56] <pvh> johnnybezak: They collect people's listening information and then predict what you'll like to listen to.
[05:56] <netpuppy> guestish, hm, I don't think GNOME 2.9 hit sid yet
[05:56] <johnnybezak> _phate_: chmod -R 755 /path/to/partition (owner read, write, execute group and other read and execute)
[05:56] <guestish> odd number GNOME releases are unstable
[05:56] <johnnybezak> pvh: ok i'll have a look
[05:56] <pvh> johnnybezak: Audioscrobbler can make playlist recommendations automatically by querying audioscrobbler against your database.
[05:56] <guestish> official releases are even
[05:56] <crimsun> errr: you don't actually have to do anything aside from selecting Fluxbox in the Session menu when you log in
[05:56] <guestish> thats why its always 2.4, 2.6, 2.8
[05:56] <guestish> etc
[05:56] <Brunellus> i can't drag it off the right side
[05:56] <netpuppy> guestish, though I have spent the last 3 years doing BSD work, so I'm not that up-to-date with the situation
[05:57] <guestish> netpuppy: ?
[05:57] <errr> crimsun: that would be nice to do if it were there :D
[05:57] <crimsun> errr: you did install fluxbox from universe, correct?
[05:57] <errr> no
[05:57] <errr> svn
[05:57] <guestish> im just wondering...people keep on telling me ubuntu basically is debian
[05:57] <pvh> johnnybezak: It's not for everyone -- depends on your listening profile. Check out the webpage.
[05:57] <crimsun> errr: ...
[05:57] <errr> current fluxbox is .9.12 not .9.9
[05:57] <johnnybezak> pvh: i'll have a look then
[05:57] <crimsun> errr: then why didn't you make a request to have it updated? :(
[05:58] <pvh> guestish: Ubuntu is basically Debian with a fast release cycle. :)
[05:58] <pvh> guestish: And an emphasis on being nice to people.
[05:58] <Brunellus> arrrgh.
[05:58] <guestish> pvh: huh?
[05:58] <Brunellus> I can't figure this out.
[05:58] <errr> crimsun: I am not worried about it I guess. dopey knows its out and there is a .deb
[05:58] <guestish> pvh: how can a distro be "nice to people"?
[05:58] <pvh> guestish: Ubuntu means "humanity to all people".
[05:58] <Brunellus> somehow this got dragged out to the side
[05:58] <guestish> uh, ok?
[05:58] <Brunellus> and now I can't undock it from the right hand side
[05:58] <pvh> guestish: Notice how nobody is flaming anyone in this channel (at the moment)
[05:58] <guestish> pvh: sure, but whats that have to do with ubuntu?
[05:58] <crimsun> errr: yes, but at least it could have been considered for universe prior to preview freeze
[05:59] <Brunellus> yaaay
[05:59] <Brunellus> found it
[05:59] <guestish> pvh: and about release cycles, does ubuntu take its packages from sid?
[05:59] <guestish> or does it have its own maintainers?
[05:59] <pvh> guestish: Both.
[05:59] <guestish> oh
[05:59] <pvh> guestish: But ubuntu is kept much more up to date than Debian.
[05:59] <Brunellus> I'll be damned.  the ****ing panel properties thing is hard to find
[05:59] <guestish> debian sid, sarge or woody?
[05:59] <pvh> guestish: Hah.
[05:59] <crimsun> guestish: please see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTU
[06:00] <guestish> ?
[06:00] <netpuppy> mmm... gaim 2.0 kicks ass
[06:00] <guestish> pvh: why the "hah"
[06:00] <pvh> guestish: It's gotta be sid.
[06:00] <pvh> guestish: Though Crimsun is better qualified than I am to answer that.
[06:00] <guestish> pvh: so ubuntu is more up to date then sid?
[06:00] <pvh> guestish: Yes.
[06:01] <guestish> pvh: but you just said it gets many of its packages from sid
[06:01] <guestish> thats a contradiction..
[06:01] <pvh> guestish: There's no inherent conflict there, though I should have been clearer.
[06:01] <Brunellus> guestish:  many, but not all
[06:01] <guestish> pvh: please do
[06:01] <Brunellus> for those packages which it does not get from sid
[06:01] <pvh> guestish: Packages come from Sid, or are maintained by Ubuntu developers.
[06:01] <guestish> ok, so the packages that it doesnt get from sid, about how many are there that are ubunutu specific?
[06:01] <Brunellus> logically, it follows that ubuntu might be more up to date
[06:01] <guestish> ubuntu*
[06:02] <guestish> just a rough estimate
[06:02] <pvh> guestish: I don't know the answer to that.
[06:02] <guestish> all im asking
[06:02] <guestish> 1000? 2000?
[06:02] <Brunellus> guestish:  why does it matter?
[06:02] <Brunellus> if you want "up to date," why not go for gentoo?
[06:02] <guestish> i dont like compiling
[06:02] <pvh> guestish: I'm afraid I really don't know. All I know is that running Hoary I usually get major packages a couple days after they're released in source.
[06:03] <errr> hot dog!! thanks netpuppy that got me all fixed up
[06:03] <crimsun> guestish: ubuntu's universe has packages that are newer than their counterparts or simply don't exist in debian proper
[06:03] <Brunellus> guestish:  ye pays yer money or ye takes yer time
[06:03] <pvh> guestish: Evolution 2.1.6 dropped into Hoary in the past few days.
[06:03] <netpuppy> errr, you're welcome :)
[06:03] <guestish> crimsun: ok, thats cool, im just wondering exactly how many there are
[06:03] <guestish> er, about
[06:03] <crimsun> guestish: ~a dozen
[06:03] <guestish> approximately
[06:03] <guestish> a dozen packages?
[06:03] <crimsun> that are not in debian proper
[06:03] <guestish> ok
[06:04] <guestish> so 12 packages
[06:04] <crimsun> that's a rough guess
[06:04] <Brunellus> guestish:  why does it matter, again?
[06:04] <guestish> just wondering mainly
[06:04] <guestish> i've heard a lot about it and i wanna know the truth
[06:04] <crimsun> guestish: "truth"?
[06:04] <guestish> meh
[06:04] <Brunellus> ubuntu works for me.  that's true enough
[06:04] <crimsun> guestish: grab an array-6 image, burn, and boot
[06:05] <crimsun> guestish: best way to "test" the "truth"
[06:05] <guestish> im just wondering why there is ubuntu and debian if the difference between ubuntu and debian is 12 packages
[06:05] <Brunellus> it has also so far been nicer than suse...
[06:05] <guestish> heh,  iwould except i dont have the room to install
[06:05] <Brunellus> guestish:  what does it matter?
[06:05] <Brunellus> guestish:  run it livecd, if you can't/won't install
[06:05] <crimsun> guestish: a livecd is included in array-6
[06:05] <pvh> guestish: Have you run Debian much?
[06:05] <guestish> pvh: few years
[06:05] <guestish> mainly sid
[06:06] <pvh> guestish: One thing that always frustrated me about Sid was that it would often be in an inconsistent state.
[06:06] <guestish> pvh: inconsistant state?
[06:06] <crimsun> guestish: no, the "only" differences between debian and ubuntu absolutely are _not_ limited to 12 packages
[06:06] <pvh> guestish: Things would be badly broken -- I remember when perl5.8 came out, I ended up in a totally borked state.
[06:06] <guestish> crimsun: what else is there? (this isnt a challenge, just a question)
[06:06] <Brunellus> major difference:  ubuntu support is a lot friendlier!
[06:06] <guestish> pvh: and that doenst happen in ubuntu?
[06:06] <guestish> thats impressive
[06:06] <pvh> guestish: No, the up-to-date repository, in my experience, is kept clean.
[06:07] <guestish> cool, so packages are added every day?
[06:07] <pvh> guestish: Yeah.
[06:07] <crimsun> guestish: besides the focused release schedule, there's also a major commitment to a unified desktop experience, which means a bevy of kernel packages, device management, and microtuning of various configurations behind-the-scenes
[06:07] <guestish> crimsun: so its more integrated?
[06:07] <crimsun> guestish: every 30 minutes pool is updated as opposed to once per day
[06:08] <crimsun> guestish: absolutely. It's a GNOME-based desktop, for one
[06:08] <guestish> crimsun: oh, so gnome only?
[06:08] <pvh> guestish: No, KDE is in "universe"
[06:08] <crimsun> guestish: however, there has been quite a bit of work to integrate KDE neatly
[06:08] <guestish> ah, so many more gui tools
[06:09] <guestish> that makes sense
[06:09] <crimsun> (that effort is known as "Kubuntu")
[06:09] <Quest-Master> Hmm.. just upgraded to Hoary and my Firefox is dead now
[06:09] <NobleArc> *audible gasp!*
[06:09] <johnnybezak> Quest-Master: whats happened?
[06:09] <johnnybezak> Quest-Master: my firefox went wierd, but then was ok once i had compoletely finished upgrade
[06:10] <Quest-Master> It just.. isn't opening
[06:10] <Quest-Master> I'm going to try to upgrade
[06:10] <Brunellus> as a non-techie, I went to ubuntu over Debian-Sarge because it was just friendlier
[06:10] <guestish> Brunellus: you've made that clear :)
[06:10] <Brunellus> sorry.  I'm trying to get this across, as I feel it's quite important
[06:10] <guestish> yes yes, i know
[06:10] <Brunellus> Debian docs are very daunting for nontechnical people
[06:11] <Quest-Master> rm: cannot remove `/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/defaults/pref': Is a directory <-- I get this when I try to upgrade
[06:11] <Brunellus> ubuntu is a lot less threatening.
[06:11] <guestish> ubuntu must be heavily staffed to do all this
[06:11] <Quest-Master> Should I manually remove it?
[06:11] <Quest-Master> There is nothing in there
[06:11] <johnnybezak> Quest-Master: just rm -rf it
[06:11] <Brunellus> guestish:  if you have a free partition, give it a try
[06:11] <ells> is anyone familiar on how I can get transcode and get it installed
[06:11] <guestish> unfortuately i dont
[06:12] <crimsun> guestish: it has very committed people, yes.
[06:12] <johnnybezak> how do i expand tar.gz in the command line?
[06:12] <Brunellus> try the livecd, if you can.  the livecd is pretty neat.
[06:12] <crimsun> johnnybezak: tar xfz foo.tar.gz
[06:12] <guestish> so a few, but commit people
[06:12] <guestish> er, comitted
[06:12] <johnnybezak> crimsun: thnx
[06:12] <guestish> tar -zxvf
[06:12] <crimsun> guestish: quite a bit more than just "a few"
[06:12] <guestish> crimsun: ?
[06:12] <pvh> guestish: There's lots of information on the ubuntulinux.org site as well. :)
[06:13] <guestish> pvh: i know, im browsing it:)
[06:13] <Quest-Master> If I just close a terminal in the middle of it apt-get upgrade'ing, will I break anything? :\
[06:13] <guestish> Quest-Master: um...yes...
[06:13] <Xenguy> Quest-Master: I'm assuming that will abort
[06:13] <crimsun> Quest-Master: it will stop the apt-get operation, but you can always resume it
[06:13] <guestish> Quest-Master: it will break stuff...
[06:14] <guestish> Quest-Master: apt-get -f install
[06:14] <Quest-Master> Yeah.. it seems this upgrade has a ton to do, and I have to go to sleep and turn off the computer
[06:14] <guestish> leave it on..
[06:14] <guestish> or do apt-get -f install in the morning
[06:14] <crimsun> Quest-Master: then re-execute the apt-get operation when you awake in the morning
[06:15] <guestish> canceling it never has that good of an effect if you are past the downloading phase
[06:15] <Quest-Master> Can't go to sleep when it's on.. makes too much noise, hehe.
[06:15] <Xenguy> Quest-Master: yeah, apt-get is smart enough to resume where it left off :-)
[06:15] <Quest-Master> I'll just stay up a bit.
[06:15] <crimsun> Quest-Master: nothing's broken, just restart it when you awake
[06:15] <Xenguy> Quest-Master: you don't have to -- you can simply resume in the morning -- no time is lost :-)
[06:18] <mrproper> Do I need to install anything to get spam filtering in Evolution to work?
[06:18] <guestish> dont think so
[06:19] <mrproper> Because mine doesn't seem to effective, and spamassassin isn't in the repository.
[06:19] <guestish> you sure spamassassin isnt?
[06:19] <mrproper> Whats the package name?
[06:20] <guestish> uh, spamassassin
[06:20] <mrproper> A search in Synaptic shows nothing
[06:20] <guestish> try apt-cache
[06:20] <travisat> bob2: are you here
[06:20] <mrproper> guestish, Nope.
[06:20] <guestish> mrproper: weird
[06:20] <guestish> well im not using ubuntu
[06:20] <crimsun> mrproper: enable universe.
[06:20] <mrproper> crimsun, will that screw anything up?
[06:21] <crimsun> mrproper: no.
[06:21] <netpuppy> lol
[06:21] <guestish> yeah, i'd think spamassassin was there
[06:21] <netpuppy> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[06:21] <netpuppy>   libapache-mod-python: Depends: python (< 2.4) but 2.4-0ubuntu6 is to be installed
[06:23] <guestish> nothing's perfect...
[06:24] <crimsun> netpuppy: pristine hoary?
[06:24] <mrproper> Thanks guys.
[06:24] <crimsun> netpuppy: i.e., no external sources
[06:26] <netpuppy> crimsun, well I just enabled universe
[06:26] <netpuppy> if that counts
[06:26] <netpuppy> but when I look at it it actually makes sense
[06:26] <crimsun> netpuppy: that's fine
[06:26] <netpuppy> it says < 2.4
[06:26] <crimsun> netpuppy: it just hasn't been rebuilt yet.
[06:26] <guestish> ?
[06:26] <guestish> what doesnt have errors...
[06:27] <netpuppy> anyways libapache2-mod-python was what I was looking for
[06:27] <crimsun> netpuppy: it's listed here, so it hasn't been transitioned yet: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePythonTransitionTODO
[06:27] <Agabus> hey has anyone else reported array 6 as after installing not booting any GUI after having problems installing packages?
[06:30] <mrproper> Does Warty come with inotify in the kernel?
[06:32] <johnnybezak> hey guys how do I add things to startup?
[06:32] <crimsun> mrproper: no, but hoary does.
[06:32] <crimsun> mrproper: it is, however, disabled even in hoary's kernel
[06:33] <mrproper> crimsun, Okay, so it's disabled.  Okay thanks.
[06:33] <ells> in hoary, since k3b wont work, what are people using to burn cds and dvds
[06:33] <Agabus> has anyone else reported array 6 as after installing not booting any GUI after having problems installing packages??
[06:33] <johnnybezak> ells: why wont k3b work>?
[06:33] <ells> I was told that it will not work in hoary
[06:34] <gteppel> What is that DateTime notation that represents the date in terms of seconds??
[06:34] <ells> actually, i had haory for a while and it did not work either
[06:34] <johnnybezak> ells: i can't see why it wouldnt work
[06:34] <ells> johnnybezak, are you running hoary
[06:34] <jeavis> hello
[06:34] <jeavis> where I can download Hoary
[06:34] <johnnybezak> ells: you'll just have to d/l the kde libs
[06:34] <johnnybezak> jeavis: distrowatch.com
[06:34] <crimsun> jeavis: hoary has not been released yet.
[06:35] <johnnybezak> woah
[06:35] <ells> johnnybezak,what are you running
[06:35] <johnnybezak> sorry hehe
[06:35] <johnnybezak> ells: i just use nautilus
[06:35] <ells> crimsun, you can still download the latest hoary
[06:35] <jeavis> crimsun: what do you recommend warty o hoary
[06:35] <johnnybezak> jeavis: you can update warty
[06:35] <bestadvocate> hey google added a cool weather thinggy
[06:35] <ells> johnnybezak, are you running warty
[06:35] <crimsun> ells: you can download a milestone (i.e., snapshot)
[06:35] <jeavis> johnnybezak: I want to downlaod de iso and burn
[06:35] <johnnybezak> ells: hoary
[06:36] <crimsun> jeavis: depends on what you want
[06:36] <ells> johnnybezak,  he will probably be better off downloading the latest iso
[06:36] <ells> johnnybezak, can you burn dvds also
[06:36] <jeavis> crimsun: I want to check
[06:36] <crimsun> jeavis: then try array-6. See the topic.
[06:36] <jeavis> crimsun: I can download and burn it
[06:36] <ells> jeavis, that is what I would do
[06:37] <Agabus> i downloaded array 6 but it didn't work
[06:37] <ells> I have downloaded both the current hoary and debian
[06:37] <ells> I am torn between the two
[06:37] <johnnybezak> jeavis: you've got to d/l warty then update it
[06:37] <ells> johnnybezak, I do not believe that is true
[06:37] <ells> hoary is available to download
[06:38] <ells> in iso
[06:38] <johnnybezak> hoary: thats news to me, it hasnt been released yet
[06:38] <johnnybezak> ells: youre probably right though
[06:38] <ells> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/current/
[06:38] <johnnybezak> ells: as far as nautilus and dvd's i think it can
[06:38] <crimsun> ells: the 6th milestone toward Hoary has been released. Hoary has _not_ been released.
[06:38] <johnnybezak> ells: but im not sure
[06:39] <ells> right, but that has all the latest changes
[06:40] <mrproper> Where can I get gtkmozembed?
[06:41] <crimsun> mrproper: enable universe.
[06:41] <mrproper> crimsun, Yeah, what package?
[06:41] <crimsun> mrproper: are you looking for the .NET binding for it?
[06:42] <mrproper> crimsun, No.
[06:42] <mrproper> I don't think so at least.
[06:42] <Xenguy> apt-cache search gtkmozembed  ???
[06:42] <crimsun> [that will return libgecko-cil] 
[06:42] <Xenguy> mrproper: --^
[06:43] <mrproper> Just the .Net binding.
[06:43] <crimsun> mrproper: err, what? are you or are you not looking for the .NET binding?
[06:43] <mrproper> I guess I could go with tbird-dev.
[06:43] <crimsun> :-)
[06:43] <mrproper> crimsun, I am not looking for the bindings.
[06:44] <crimsun> mrproper: then you're probably looking for libnspr-dev, mozilla-dev, or mozilla-firefox-dev
[06:45] <mrproper> I couldn't find mozilla-firefox-dev, but I'm going to install the CIL bindings which will pull needed stuff.
[06:46] <Steve_G4> Hello
[06:46] <Steve_G4> I'm using the LiveCD of Hoary on a G4.
[06:47] <Steve_G4> Does anybody know if I can mount my HFS+ formatted drive?
[06:48] <Steve_G4> Is anybody active in here?  No messages are showing up....
[06:49] <johnnybezak> Steve_G4: you can
[06:49] <Steve_G4> How?
[06:49] <johnnybezak> 2.6 has HFS+ reading built in
[06:50] <crimsun> Steve_G4: it's very early sunday morning eastern time and daylight in europe; many people are asleep.
[06:50] <johnnybezak> mount -t hfsplus /dev/devicename /path/to/mount/point
[06:50] <crimsun> so despite it being not even 10 pm in your neck o' the woods...
[06:51] <johnnybezak> and its ten to five pm here :)
[06:51] <Steve_G4> its 9:52 pm here
[06:51] <Steve_G4> I'm in Los Angeles, CA, US
[06:51] <NobleArc> Funny, it's 9:41 PM here. :P
[06:51] <johnnybezak> hmmm youre clocks wrong :)
[06:51] <Steve_G4> according to the nearest GSM cellular tower, its 9:52
[06:52] <NobleArc> Ohh, I read it as 41, when it said 47 >.<
[06:52] <NobleArc> *moves an ethernet cable*
[06:52] <Steve_G4> haha
[06:52] <NobleArc> and my taskbar says 9:52. o_O
[06:52] <jupiter> does anyone here use the PPC version of Warty?
[06:52] <Steve_G4> I'm on the PPC LiveCD of Hoary
[06:52] <johnnybezak> i was using it updated to hoary yesterday
[06:53] <NobleArc> if I could afford a Mac, I would.
[06:53] <jupiter> oh, i didn't even know there was a LiveCD for PPC!
[06:53] <Steve_G4> I'm on a blazing fast 350mhz G4
[06:53] <johnnybezak> nice 1
[06:53] <Steve_G4> neither did I, until I saw the update on DistroWatch
[06:53] <johnnybezak> hows gnome go?
[06:53] <Steve_G4> I think gnome is a lot simpler and easier to use than kde
[06:54] <johnnybezak> i use flux
[06:54] <Steve_G4> but I've only used Knoppix and Ubuntu, so I can't really say much..
[06:54] <johnnybezak> but i like gnome too
[06:54] <mrproper> Does anyone know why Firefox is so old in Horay?
[06:54] <johnnybezak> Steve_G4: then youve used some good ones :)
[06:54] <Steve_G4> yes indeedy
[06:54] <crimsun> mrproper: "old"?
[06:54] <mrproper> 0.9.3
[06:55] <crimsun> mrproper: 1.0RC had _just_ been released when Warty was released.
[06:55] <mrproper> crimsun, But with Horay?
[06:55] <crimsun> mrproper: 1.0 is in Hoary
[06:55] <mrproper> crimsun, Wait, which is more updated, Horay or Warty?
[06:55] <crimsun> the former
[06:56] <mrproper> crimsun, I'm on Warty.  To upgrade, just change warty to horay on the sources.list file?
[06:56] <crimsun> "warty" to "hoary"
[06:56] <Steve_G4> Hoary is the newest version of Ubuntu, but Hoary is an alpha development release for now
[06:56] <crimsun> then you'll need to update && dist-upgrade
[06:56] <Steve_G4> Warty is the stable release
[06:57] <Steve_G4> I don't really know what any of the added features and enhancements on Hoary are over Warty
[06:57] <sprongie> woo just installed ubuntu and to abuse a phrase, i'm loving it :)
[06:57] <mrproper> Could someone tell me what a sources.list file from Horay should look like?>
[06:58] <Steve_G4> thats great sprongie
[06:58] <eruin> hoary alpha??
[06:58] <sprongie> detected all my nforce mobo hardware just dandy
[06:58] <eruin> arent we in feature freeze closing up on release date fast?
[06:58] <jupiter> Do the PPC users use MOL?
[06:58] <sprongie> installed with XFS partition, only minor oops when i forgot to create a ext2 /boot partition
[06:58] <Steve_G4> what?
[06:58] <crimsun> Steve_G4: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryGoals
[06:58] <justdave_> I use MOL
[06:58] <sprongie> that should probably be fixed.  otherwise, it's a joy
[06:59] <Steve_G4> thank you crimsun
[06:59] <justdave_> is there anything special I need to do to make "detected printers" work in CUPS?
[06:59] <sprongie> mrproper: i can msg you my sources.list if you want
[07:00] <jupiter> justdave: so firewire and firewire HDs are recognized? how about the isight as a video source?
[07:00] <sprongie> mrproper: turn off flood protection and i'll msg it, or i can try dcc
[07:00] <mrproper> sprongie, I just found one.
[07:00] <sprongie> ah ok
[07:00] <justdave_> jupiter: dunno, haven't tried that stuff in MoL yet.
[07:00] <jupiter> justdave: how about in ubuntu itself?
[07:01] <justdave_> I would doubt if hotplugging a firewire device would show up in MoL...  you probably have to have it mounted already, then list it in the drives to make available to OSX in the MoL config
[07:02] <justdave_> I've got a shared printer on another computer on my LAN (advertised via zeroconf)
[07:02] <justdave_> on all the OS X boxes it just shows up on the shared printers list
[07:02] <justdave_> the printer box in Ubuntu isn't showing any detected printers
[07:02] <justdave_> (although it's claiming that it should be able to detect them)
[07:03] <justdave_> do I have to do anything special to make it work?
[07:05] <justdave_> guess it'll print now, just annoying it didn't already show up.  CUPS is supposed to be able to do zeroconf
[07:06] <mystify> i got a question
[07:07] <mystify> can anyone help me please?
[07:07] <Levander> Anybody know how to change the domain name?
[07:08] <johnnybezak> mystify: just ask :)
[07:08] <luciux> Levander: you say the DNS ip?
[07:08] <mystify> i do beleive i have installed wine right? so i want to install this game called city of heroes...nothing is happening?
[07:09] <mystify> do i need to get wine up and working before i can put the installation cd of CoH?
[07:09] <sprongie> is CoH known to work under wine?
[07:09] <Levander> luciux, on my machine when I type hostname --fqdn, I get localhost.localdomain.  Would rather this be my name on the network
[07:09] <mystify> i dont know
[07:09] <sprongie> games are a pretty tough test
[07:09] <Levander> luciux, it causes problems with mysql I'm thinking
[07:09] <mystify> where would i go to find out?
[07:10] <sprongie> mystify: personally i'd google it
[07:10] <mystify> hm...what keywords?
[07:10] <sprongie> "city of heroes" linux wine
[07:10] <mystify> gotcha, thx
[07:10] <luciux> Levander: you can alter it with hostname the_name
[07:11] <sprongie> if it does anything really graphics heavy like 3d, you're probably going to need WineX
[07:11] <Levander> luciux, no, hostname can't alter the fqdn, it can only alter the hostname
[07:11] <Cube-ness> anybody know why recent updated to hoary have made gnome very slow?
[07:11] <luciux> Levander: and the same domainname the_name
[07:11] <Levander> luciux, no, "man domainname" explicitly says u can't
[07:12] <sprongie> domainname is a NIS thing
[07:12] <sprongie> not relevant to dns
[07:12] <Levander> oh yeah, i was thinking dnsdomainname
[07:12] <Levander> i'm not using nis
[07:12] <Levander> it says it can't on it's man page under "The FQDN" section
[07:13] <luciux> Levander: i see.. what about altering your /etc/hosts?
[07:13] <sprongie> hostname
[07:13] <Levander> luciux, to what?
[07:14] <Levander> i saw that on the man page, no idea what to alter it to
[07:14] <sprongie> you don't really "have" a domain name
[07:14] <sprongie> you have a default search domain
[07:14] <luciux> Levander: to specify your right fqdn
[07:15] <Steve_G4> is it better to run a game natively in Linux, if available, than to run it through WineX?
[07:15] <Levander> sprongie, yeah I do, it's local, it's my home network, have dns set up for it
[07:15] <mystify> anyone ever heard of cedega?
[07:15] <crimsun> Steve_G4: absolutely.
[07:15] <crimsun> mystify: it's just the newer version of winex
[07:15] <mystify> where do i get it?
[07:15] <Levander> luciux, but how to I alter it to specify my right fqdn?
[07:15] <crimsun> www.transgaming.com
[07:15] <mystify> i tried transgaming.com
[07:15] <sprongie> you buy it
[07:15] <Steve_G4> I saw that the Doom 3 demo for Linux can be patched and made into the full version
[07:15] <mystify> you gotta buy it?
[07:15] <sprongie> yes
[07:15] <mystify> how much is it?
[07:16] <sprongie> cheap.  check their prices
[07:16] <mystify> hmm...
[07:16] <sprongie> personally i just dual boot
[07:16] <sprongie> i guess if you have an EQ addiction and still like to chat, winex is for you
[07:17] <luciux> Levander: if you say on /etc/hosts which is you fqdn for your ip it could work, doesn't it?
[07:17] <Levander> luciux, do I assume every time I'm looking for my own machine that it's asking for the name of 127.0.0.1, and change the FQDN of that ip from localhost.localdomain, to what it should be, bread.highhat.net?
[07:18] <Levander> luciux, i'm trying to figure out how to put my correct FQDN in hosts.  I don't know the format to use.
[07:18] <sprongie> you ADD that hostname.  you dont ever want to get rid of localhost
[07:18] <Levander> sprongie, cool, i'm gonna try it
[07:18] <mystify> ok, how cheap are we talking cedega?
[07:20] <mystify> it says i gotta subscribe on it for 6 months! and thats $30...i just want cedega...
[07:20] <Levander> sprongie, yes! that worked! only thing a little different than just adding an entry for bread.highhat.net was that I had to remove the bread alias for localhost.localdomain!
[07:20] <Levander> thanks sprongie
[07:20] <luciux> Levander: IP fqdn hostname
[07:20] <Levander> and thanks luciux
[07:20] <Levander> luciux, yeah, i got it, thanks for your help!
[07:20] <luciux> Levander: you're welcome
[07:20] <luciux> Levander:  :)
[07:21] <sprongie> Levander: you probably want to keep the unqualified alias.  you can stick it on a different line if it's preferring the short name and you really need the fqdn
[07:21] <Steve_G4> are there any free alternatives to Cedega?
[07:21] <sprongie> mystify: i dont think it stops working when the subscription's out
[07:22] <sprongie> mystify: you just dont get updates
[07:22] <crimsun> Steve_G4: not as fully-featured: wine
[07:22] <Levander> sprongie, hostname --fqdn didn't work until I removed the bread alias from localhost, but I think I did what your saying, I added the bread alias to bread.highhat.net
[07:22] <crimsun> Steve_G4: then again, wine is much more general-purpose than cedega
[07:22] <sprongie> dunno tho, maybe it does timebomb
[07:22] <mystify> wait, what?
[07:22] <Levander> sprongie, that what u mean?
[07:22] <sprongie> Levander: ahhh i see.  yah that'll work too
[07:23] <Steve_G4> what would happen if i ran Wine on a PPC, then used it to run a Windows app?
[07:23] <Steve_G4> would that work at all?
[07:23] <mystify> i have wine, how do i get it to work? (give me example of microsoft program taht works with wine)
[07:23] <Steve_G4> download Internet Explorer
[07:23] <sprongie> office works nice, i'm told
[07:23] <sprongie> so does IE
[07:24] <Steve_G4> how about Microsoft AntiSpyware? :-P
[07:24] <SiRrUs> crossover is the way to go :)
[07:24] <sprongie> Steve_G4: actually that might not.  scanner probably would work, the rest puts in some pretty low level hooks
[07:24] <Levander> sprongie, any idea how those system calls work?  I'm thinking it must know my hostname from /etc/hosts, which is bread.  Then it looks up the fqdn, using hosts first since that's how nsswitch.con is set up to do, and in hosts it finds that bread is *now* an alias for highhat.net? Is that prolly how it works?
[07:24] <Levander> knows hostname from /etc/hostname*
[07:24] <mystify> so is there any alternative nonpaying way of getting cedega?
[07:24] <emberly> I am trying to follow these instructions to enable japanese input in ubuntu, but the instructions say to edit my .gnomerc file... and I don't know where that file is or where it should be.   where is my .gnomerc file?
[07:25] <emberly> the instructions I'm trying to follow are here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/JapaneseInputHowto
[07:25] <sprongie> Levander: i'm not sure what the resolution order for the hosts file is, but i think it's just the first one it hits
[07:25] <mystify> im just a kid trying to get city of heroes to work
[07:25] <Levander> sprongie, well 127.0.0.1 is before bread.highhat.net, so it's not just order?
[07:26] <sprongie> Levander: and they're all 127.0.0.1?  not sure then
[07:26] <Levander> sprongie, no, first is 127.0.0.1 as localhost, then my private ip 192.168.... as bread
[07:26] <emberly> is the .gnomerc file supposed to be in my home directory?
[07:26] <sprongie> on my old box, it would prefer to resolve as ipv6 first, so i'd see a lot of connections from ::1 in my logs
[07:27] <sprongie> exposed a lot of ipv4 assumptions in my log parsing scripts ;)
[07:27] <Levander> sprongie, but you know, I'm thinking if I just took out the bread alias of localhost, then when the resolver tries to look up bread in the hosts file, it would file.  Then, as configured in nsswitch.conf, it would fall back to looking it up in DNS, and in there it would find bread.
[07:28] <Levander> sprongie, don't think I needed to add an entry for bread.highhat.net to hosts, just think I needed to remove the bread alias from localhost.localdomain
[07:28] <sprongie> Levander: that's why, because you're connecting through the 192.168 interface to get it to not show up as localhost.  it's actually going through your NIC, not the loopback
[07:29] <Levander> what's going through the 192.168 interface?  You think the hostname utility is doing that?
[07:29] <sprongie> whatever's making you see "localhost" and not "bread"
[07:29] <Levander> that was hostname (really worried about 2 other apps, but hostname is the simplest example of problem i could find)
[07:30] <Steve_G4> what is POSIX?
[07:30] <sprongie> hostname doesnt know anything about your hosts file
[07:30] <sprongie> it's set by /etc/hostname usually
[07:30] <Levander> sprongie, when I stop downloading movies off the internet, I can see if router lights flash up when I run host
[07:30] <crimsun> Steve_G4: http://www.pasc.org/#POSIX
[07:30] <Levander> but the network driver is prolly optimized to prevent that from happening, i'm guessing???
[07:30] <Steve_G4> thank you
[07:30] <sprongie> Levander: yeah it'll hit the nic's internal loopback
[07:30] <Levander> when I run hostname*
[07:31] <sprongie> it should flash the nic's blinkenlights
[07:31] <Levander> sprongie, the nic's loopback is different than some other loopback?
[07:32] <sprongie> Levander: 127.0.0.1 is a virtual loopback.  all software.
[07:32] <Levander> sprongie, if that's the case then, /etc/hosts is really a screwy concept then
[07:32] <sprongie> the internal loopback in the nic is a shortcut that tells it to not send a signal but just queue the packet
[07:32] <Levander> that's how a lot of programs are using to identify my machine
[07:32] <sprongie> an external loopback is an actual piece of testing hardware
[07:32] <Levander> like in the title bar of GNU emacs
[07:33] <Levander> but, if I use my real, network FQDN on my localhost, all my communications are gonna go through my NIC loopback
[07:33] <sprongie> should be just as fast
[07:34] <Levander> oh, u think the NIC loopback is as fast the the virtual software loopback? doesn't sound right, to get to the NIC loopback, u gotta go through the PCI bus
[07:34] <Levander> the software loopback is prolly all RAM and CPU which is much faster
[07:34] <sprongie> yep
[07:34] <Levander> but, i guess I don't really run anything that communications intensive
[07:35] <Levander> except X-windows??
[07:35] <mystify> where do i get winex?
[07:35] <sprongie> x shouldnt be using the network at all
[07:35] <travisat> bob2: are you here
[07:35] <sprongie> modern X servers use unix sockets and shm
[07:35] <Levander> you can run an X application on one machine and display it on another it's so networked
[07:35] <Levander> what's shm?
[07:35] <mystify> where can i download wineX?
[07:36] <Levander> unix sockets are networking
[07:36] <thr1ce> mystify, google.com
[07:36] <Levander> sprongie, not sure what u mean?
[07:36] <sprongie> unix sockets arent networking, they're a fancier version of a pipe
[07:37] <sprongie> namely a many-to-one pipe
[07:37] <Levander> in java programming, a socket is what u open for listening to  connections from other machines
[07:37] <sprongie> that's an inet socket
[07:37] <Levander> ooohhhhh
[07:38] <sprongie> there's all kinds of sockets
[07:38] <Levander> okay, this i did not know
[07:38] <sprongie> unix and inet are the only ones actually in use
[07:39] <Levander> but u can run an X application and display it on another, they just switch over and use inet socks when X is doing that?
[07:39] <Levander> display it on another machine*
[07:41] <sprongie> yah, X *can* be set up to only ever do unix sockets, but it rarely is
[07:41] <Levander> so, the way I've got my machine set up, it's possible X would be using my NIC loopback next time I restart it?
[07:42] <sprongie> X will use unix sockets if you're on the same machine as the X server
[07:42] <sprongie> er the X client ... er if they're colocated.  you get the idea
[07:42] <sprongie> unix sockets are sooper-fast
[07:42] <Levander> sprongie, so X prolly knows how to figure out the same thing that the NIC loopback does?
[07:42] <Levander> it does the same optimization?
[07:43] <sprongie> nope, if you set your display to use your hostname, it assumes nothing
[07:43] <mystify> is there any way to get winex without paying?
[07:43] <sprongie> that's why you always want to use DISPLAY=:0 and not DISPLAY=bread:0
[07:43] <goldfish_> i think you only have to pay for support mystify
[07:43] <goldfish_> winex == cedega?
[07:43] <mystify> well then where do i get it?
[07:43] <sprongie> some servers will DWIM it if you do localhost:0 and actually use a unix socket
[07:43] <sprongie> some wont
[07:43] <Levander> sprongie, ahha!
[07:44] <goldfish_> mystify: I dont know :)
[07:44] <mystify> you have to subscribe to get cedega
[07:44] <goldfish_> hrmm
[07:44] <mystify> and i dont have a credit card...
[07:44] <goldfish_> I was told u only had to subscribe for support
[07:44] <mystify> do you think you could look into it?
[07:44] <Levander> sprongie, how u know all this UNIX stuff I'd love to know, u a UNIX admin?
[07:44] <waseem> hi how do i find the process id for totem
[07:45] <thr1ce> ps aux
[07:45] <mystify> well i cant download cedega anyway unless i subscribe...so i guess im sh*t outa luck
[07:45] <Xenguy> waseem: ps aux |grep totem
[07:45] <sprongie> Levander: been doing unix of various flavors for about 12 years
[07:45] <Levander> doing? how? as an admin?
[07:45] <sprongie> off and on admin
[07:45] <goldfish_> Levander: Get a good admin book.
[07:46] <goldfish_> The O reilly, System Administration book is supposed to be good
[07:46] <mystify> so does anyone know much about cedega?
[07:46] <thr1ce> will ubuntu run significantly slower than slackware on my machine?
[07:46] <sprongie> mostly junior admin stuff, never built out a big deployment
[07:46] <goldfish_> mystify: #cedega
[07:46] <goldfish_> :)
[07:46] <sprongie> supported some tho
[07:46] <Levander> goldfish, no kidding, but I'm never gonna remember all this stuff every time I'm in a random chat room, unless I've used it for 12 years of course
[07:46] <mystify> the newest version, i guess
[07:46] <Xenguy> mystify: AFAIK cedega is a proprietary version of WINE, optimized for gamers
[07:46] <goldfish_> mystify: they have a channel on this server
[07:46] <goldfish_> yeah
[07:46] <mystify> oh i c
[07:46] <goldfish_> also known as winex
[07:46] <mystify> thx
[07:46] <sprongie> goldfish_: Unix System Administration is great.  used to call it the red book, i think it's purple now
[07:46] <thr1ce> anyone...?
[07:46] <Levander> is that what u do for living, unix admin?
[07:47] <_colin> i just installed kubuntu and i dont recall setting a root pass
[07:47] <sprongie> Levander: nope.  i kill spam for a living :)
[07:47] <Xenguy> _colin: read the FAQ
[07:47] <Levander> sprongie, Unix System Administration is an O'Reilly book, kinda generic name, be kinda hard to find without knowing publisher
[07:47] <Levander> and how do u kill spam for a living?
[07:47] <goldfish_> sprongie: cool, i am only new to linux, but id like to get into the admin scene, might give that book a try
[07:48] <sprongie> Levander: whoops, i meant "Unix System Administrator Handbook"
[07:48] <sprongie> i _think_ that's what it's called
[07:48] <sprongie> my brain is all mush
[07:48] <goldfish_> Essential Administartion
[07:48] <mystify> nobody is answering me on that server...hmm...they all must hate me
[07:48] <Levander> u remember publisher? make it easier to find
[07:48] <goldfish_> is another good one they have
[07:48] <sprongie> third edition is purple, has this goofy-ass cartoon on the front
[07:48] <waseem> does anyone here use totem that can help me out? the problem i have is whenever i go into a website that has a music video/song inside, totem pops up and then a whole bunch of the same error message pop up.
[07:48] <brandon_> hello
[07:48] <thr1ce> waseem, no plugins installed?
[07:49] <waseem> for totem, i dont think so
[07:49] <thr1ce> man...hoary seems sloooow :(] 
[07:49] <Levander> sprongie, cool, i made a stick on my desktop
[07:49] <Levander> how u kill spam for a living.  U use gun? how?
[07:49] <sprongie> goldfish_: you enjoy getting woken up at 3am?  you dont really want to be a sysadmin if not ;)
[07:49] <goldfish_> lol
[07:49] <goldfish_> 3am is my awake time :)
[07:50] <sprongie> thr1ce: hoary is zooming fast for me
[07:50] <waseem> thrice, i have no plugins installed
[07:50] <sprongie> 'course i'm on an athlon64 and using kde
[07:50] <mystify> nobody is helping me on the cedega cahnnel
[07:50] <thr1ce> maybe because I'm used to slackware's speed...
[07:50] <mystify> channel*
[07:50] <goldfish_> mystify: probably a bad time
[07:50] <goldfish_> maybe try later
[07:50] <goldfish_> ?
[07:50] <mystify> hm...
[07:51] <waseem> anyone know what i can do?
[07:51] <waseem> for the problem
[07:51] <mystify> but does anybody here know of any ways of getting cedega without subscribing?
[07:51] <thr1ce> nope
[07:51] <sprongie> mystify: nope, it's a commercial product
[07:51] <thr1ce> you have to subsribe
[07:51] <waseem> are there usually any plugins?
[07:51] <mystify> ugh...
[07:51] <waseem> for totem?
[07:51] <thr1ce> codecs
[07:51] <Xenguy> mystify: I told you it is proprietary; now I'm telling you it is commercial
[07:52] <mystify> so tell me...once i enter all the information, after paying...can i cancel it after i get cedega?
[07:52] <sprongie> they do backport to wine, but it's way behind
[07:52] <Levander> sprongie, no matches at Amazon for Unix System Administrator Handbook
[07:52] <mystify> cancel the subscription i mean
[07:52] <thr1ce> mystify, no, you have to pay for it
[07:52] <thr1ce> it's commercial
[07:52] <mystify> thx, you said that
[07:52] <Xenguy> mystify: so you want to take their commercial product, then rip them off?
[07:53] <Pluk> the source is free though but lacks some things
[07:53] <mystify> no...i mean cancel my subscription so it doesnt go on and on and on...paying for nothing month after month
[07:53] <Xenguy> that is mystifying indeed
[07:53] <sprongie> Levander: s/administrator/administration
[07:53] <sprongie> Levander: http://www.admin.com/
[07:53] <thr1ce> root@24:/home/ubuntu # apt-get install Fluxbox
[07:53] <thr1ce> Reading Package Lists... Done
[07:53] <thr1ce> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[07:53] <thr1ce> E: Couldn't find package Fluxbox
[07:53] <thr1ce> :(
[07:53] <Xenguy> mystify: oh
[07:53] <bluebeard> is there a way to disable gnome's window minimizing animation
[07:53] <mystify> see what i mean?
[07:53] <Xenguy> mystify: I dunno - I just don't both with the non-free stuff
[07:53] <Xenguy> mystify: I'm not a gamer anyway, so what do I care
[07:54] <mystify> oh i c
[07:54] <mystify> lol
[07:54] <bob2> travisat: will you keep the bot out?
[07:54] <Pluk> thr1ce, fluxbox not Fluxbox
[07:54] <sprongie> thr1ce: try lowercase
[07:54] <mystify> thx anyways guys
[07:54] <thr1ce> still doesn't work
[07:54] <travisat> bob2 yes
[07:54] <sprongie> thr1ce: sure you have a full sources.list?  shows up in aptitude for me
[07:54] <membreya_> anyone here use webmin and squid?
[07:55] <Pluk> did you enable universe in /etc/apt/sources.list thr1ce ?
[07:55] <bob2> travisat: remove.
[07:55] <AnJellyCue> Webmin yes,  squid no
[07:56] <waseem> does anyone here use totem and know where to get the plugin for it?
[07:56] <streetbmx> what plugin
[07:56] <thr1ce> google
[07:56] <waseem> for mozilla firefox
[07:57] <streetbmx> oh :-/
[07:57] <goldfish_> its on ubuntuguide.org
[07:57] <goldfish_> i think
[07:58] <calamari> hi
[07:58] <goldfish_> hello
[08:00] <calamari> I'm looking for a weird piece of software.  I connect to my computer remotely via ssh, and I'd like to pop up a message (or even better, communicate) with anyone at the computer locally.  Any ideas on a piece of software for this?
[08:01] <crimsun> calamari: wall, xmessage, ...
[08:01] <goldfish_> write
[08:01] <JDahl> or chat maybe?
[08:01] <calamari> crimsun: xmessage says "Error: Can't open display:"
[08:02] <Levander> sprongie, yeah, looks like a great book.  I wonder if it's companion, the Linux Administration Handbook is mroe for me though.  I rarely use any Unix besides Linux
[08:02] <Levander> added it to my Amazon wish list for safe keeping.
[08:02] <goldfish_> calamari: try write
[08:02] <Levander> gotta go bed, late as fuck here.
[08:02] <Xenguy> calamari: do you have root?  If yes, then you could use 'wall'
[08:03] <SuperLag> where does the firmware for a Prism54 wireless card need to be put, so Ubuntu can read it when you start the card?
[08:03] <Xenguy> calamari: that contacts all users logged in
[08:03] <calamari> write doesn't seem to pop up a message in gnome
[08:03] <calamari> thanks for the ideas tho.. think I'm getting closer :)
[08:03] <Agabus> Xenguy - wall is only for the terminal
[08:04] <Xenguy> Agabus: yep, realizing that now
[08:04] <Agabus> but its still very cool
[08:05] <calamari> it is :)
[08:05] <FlyNavy> Can anyone help with an installation display problem?
[08:06] <Agabus> i'd like to know how to send a message to users in GNOME/KDE aswell, but i gotta run to dinner, let me know if u figure it out
[08:06] <calamari> okay, thanks :)
[08:08] <AnJellyCue> FlyNavy,  Sup ?
[08:09] <FlyNavy> I installed Ubuntu without prob.  On boot, get to what should be login screen.  Screen looks segmented and cursir disappears on several parts left to right
[08:09] <goldfish_> x server is fsailing
[08:10] <goldfish_> you got an nvidia card FlyNavy ?
[08:10] <goldfish_> hi dazed_
[08:10] <FlyNavy> I have a Rage Mobility M3 on a dell laptop
[08:10] <dazed_> GOLDFISH_!
[08:11] <calamari> aha.. crimsun was right, xmessage works!  I needed to ssh -X
[08:11] <dazed_> im at my buddies house...we got like 3 laptops my nix box his winblows box linked up
[08:11] <dazed_> its sick
[08:11] <calamari> zenity also works :)
[08:12] <calamari> although.. since I'm connecting from my local machine, it could be a false positive
[08:13] <goldfish_> dazed_: cool
[08:13] <dazed_> i know right
[08:13] <mrproper> I just upgraded my copy of Ubuntu to Horay, but now the maximum resolution has shrunk.
[08:13] <dazed_> u know anything about filesharing with windows t0 linux
[08:13] <dazed_> or vice a versa
[08:13] <goldfish_> nope
[08:13] <AnJellyCue> Yup
[08:14] <dazed_> i gto it down the hard way
[08:14] <dazed_> but im thinking there has to be an easier way
[08:14] <calamari> dazed: I had samba working at one point but it's broken now, for unknown reasons.. sorry :)
[08:15] <dazed_> yeah i got samba installed
[08:15] <AnJellyCue> That is how i fileshare,   using Samba
[08:15] <dazed_> but all that is
[08:15] <AnJellyCue> easy as :)
[08:15] <dazed_> is support to get on the network
[08:15] <dazed_> its not like it has an explorer to view all comps on the network
[08:15] <dazed_> and brows
[08:15] <dazed_> i have to mount the shared folders onto my drive
[08:16] <calamari> it did when it was working for me
[08:16] <dazed_> ok
[08:16] <dazed_> well i got samba
[08:16] <dazed_> how do i run the client?
[08:16] <calamari> I opened up Network (from Computer)
[08:17] <dazed_> well that would require me to be on gnome desktop
[08:17] <dazed_> im currently on flux
[08:18] <calamari> oic :)
[08:20] <viper12> evening/morning all.
[08:20] <revildab> has anyone tried to install the amarok music player in ubuntu? if so, did you manage to get it working and how
[08:20] <viper12> that requires KDE libraries revildab
[08:21] <revildab> well, i've found the corresponding ubuntu libraries
[08:21] <revildab> but no go
[08:21] <viper12> there are some 'howto' stuff in the forums regarding that if I remember correctly, but I'm a "gnomer" and haven't so someone else is gonna havta' answer that one.
[08:22] <revildab> ahh alright, ill have a look see but thanks anyway
[08:22] <viper12> g'luck on that....its a cool player.
[08:22] <dazed_> sudo mount -t smbfs -o username=guest //192.168.1.101/MySharedFolder /share
[08:22] <dazed_> Could not resolve mount point /share
[08:22] <dazed_> anyone know what that means
[08:23] <viper12> do you have that folder created on the local machine yet?
[08:23] <dazed_> hahah
[08:23] <dazed_> there we go
[08:23] <viper12> :)
[08:23] <dazed_> idiot
[08:23] <dazed_> <---
[08:23] <viper12> nope.......I fub'd that one with NFS the first time same way. lmao
[08:23] <mrproper> How do I get scrnsaver.h?
[08:25] <dazed_> got this one now
[08:25] <dazed_> 15364: tree connect failed: ERRDOS - ERRnosuchshare (You specified an invalid share name)
[08:25] <dazed_> SMB connection failed
[08:25] <viper12> that one......gah.  I thought about smb, but with all 'ubuntu' all the time on the 4 machines here, I went NFS.
[08:26] <mrproper> Can someone tell me if they have scrnsaver.h?
[08:26] <calamari> mrproper: maybe.. where should it be?
[08:26] <mrproper> calamari, I think I may have found the bug.
[08:26] <FlyNavy> Anybody else help with display problems at boot?
[08:27] <viper12> My guess here dazed would be that one one of the machines the share isn't setup properly.......but why/how? shakes head. dont know.
[08:27] <viper12> what is the problem FlyNavy ?
[08:28] <calamari> oh yeah.. since we're on the topic of networking... is there any concept of internet connection sharing for linux?
[08:28] <FlyNavy> Viper12, have what should be login screen but divided into sections and cursor disappears and reappears at different parts of screen.
[08:28] <FlyNavy> Screen is divided into about 4 uneven vertical columns
[08:29] <viper12> nods.  is this a hoary or warty install? (xfree or xorg?), what video card as well.
[08:29] <FlyNavy> I have a Rage Mobility 128 card.  First tim eloading Ubuntu.  X11 file says XF86config-4
[08:30] <FlyNavy> Been about 5 years since playing w/ linux, so I have forgotten a lot
[08:31] <viper12> okay, so you're on the stock warty 4.10 build, and using xfree for that.  you need to use an editor to open XF86config-4 file to see what settings (specifically the monitor vertical and horizontal settings are listed.)  Just from the description, it sounds as the monitor settings are incorrect for the 'type of monitor you're using.
[08:31] <viper12> the file is located in the /etc/X11 directory. (btw.)
[08:31] <mrproper> Does Horay have the nifty shadow effects with xorg?
[08:32] <fsc> mrproper, yeah if you've got a nvidia card
[08:32] <viper12> I've got some of that enabled via my nvidia stuff mprop
[08:32] <mrproper> fsc, How do I enable it?
[08:32] <calamari> cool, think I found something on that linux ics :) http://www.unixgeeks.org/security/newbie/misc/ipmasq.html
[08:32] <FlyNavy> I opened earlier and removed all resolutions except 800X600.  Although, the log file showed this strange adjustment to 130 HZ
[08:32] <LinuxPie> join #fedora
[08:33] <fsc> mrproper, setup your xorg.conf file to use Composite extension, and then use xcompmgr
[08:33] <goldfish_> LinuxPie: why?
[08:33] <mrproper> fsc, How do I do that stuff?
[08:33] <viper12> its NOT resolutions you need to worry aobut here FlyNavy.  Its the vertical and horizontal frequency settings.  check your monitor's manual or google the monitor to get those, and then compare them to what is listed in the device section.
[08:34] <FlyNavy> Roger that.  Do I have to list range or just set specific frequency?
[08:34] <LinuxPie> :>
[08:35] <viper12> FlyNavy:  here is an example. (don't use these, just look for the similar lines.  and then compare what you have in the file to what the  monitor NEEDS.
[08:35] <viper12> Section "Monitor"
[08:35] <viper12> 	Identifier	"ENVISION"
[08:35] <viper12> 	HorizSync	30-95
[08:35] <viper12> 	VertRefresh	50-160
[08:35] <viper12> 	Option		"DPMS"
[08:35] <FlyNavy> Thanks.  Remember seeing that.  Will give it a shot.  Log file showed starting in those and then adjusting to much higher frequency.
[08:35] <viper12> I'm betting the install misidentified your monitor.  (The garbage you're looking at on bootup is typical for incorrect sync settings.)
[08:36] <viper12> and np
[08:36] <dazed_> well its time for me to pass out
[08:36] <dazed_> so niggaz
[08:36] <dazed_> keep it rteal
[08:36] <FlyNavy> I'll check dell.  this is a laptop.  Identified as Toshiba.
[08:36] <viper12> taker easy dazed.
[08:36] <mrproper> Anyone have the lines for xorg.conf to enable composting?
[08:36] <viper12> laptops can be persnickety....as are some flatpanels........
[08:37] <esher> whats the difference between latest ubuntu hoary and latest gnoppix 0.9.90b1 Hoary ?
[08:37] <viper12> mrproper, I remember seeing a mention of the compositing in the forums...you might want to put that keyword in ubuntu's web forums.
[08:37] <dazed_> i have a laptpo and a flat pannel...both work great
[08:37] <viper12> esher.........huh?
[08:37] <dazed_> but its probably the geforce fx5900 in each
[08:38] <goldfish_> i had trouble with laptop
[08:38] <viper12> dazed the issues are sometimes a combo with dell using that stupid brookdale video chipset.
[08:38] <goldfish_> geforce 5550
[08:38] <goldfish_> dell
[08:38] <dazed_> yeah
[08:38] <dazed_> dell
[08:38] <goldfish_> YES!
[08:38] <goldfish_> DELL!
[08:39] <viper12> lol.
[08:39] <mrproper> xcompmgr isn't installed by default?
[08:39] <viper12> I fixed my dell issues finally.  e17fp and dimension 2400 finally working. (Dad's happy as hell, as he got to kiss mcafee and adaware and spybot and .and.and. good bye.  lol
[08:40] <togs> having trouble getting a PC to see the internet. Can get a local IP from modem fine, but can't get onto the net. Anybody able to assist?
[08:40] <viper12> I don't believe so mrproper.......isn't that to be used with specific types of video cards?
[08:40] <viper12> togs, what type of modem?
[08:40] <viper12> cable/dsl/phone line?
[08:40] <togs> D-Link DSL300+
[08:40] <togs> ah ADSL
[08:40] <crimsun> mrproper: for hoary? no
[08:41] <goldfish_> togs: might need a firmware upgrade?
[08:41] <viper12> okay togs...is the adsl setup to give out DHCP? (assign addresses?)  If so, you need to change the network device on ubuntu's machine to dhcp and it should work.
[08:41] <goldfish_> I had that trouble on windws
[08:41] <goldfish_> with a dlink
[08:41] <togs> gets a 192 IP ok, but not the 203 IP i need for the net
[08:41] <Kly> www.otomotivshow.com
[08:42] <togs> This is on a low spec box without a GUI, going for server. Ubuntu on desktop goes OK
[08:43] <togs> DHCP works, gets local addresses OK
[08:43] <viper12> togs, do you know how to use iwconfig tools?  you can manually via iwconfig ifconfig set the device to get dhcp.
[08:43] <togs> iw is a new one
[08:43] <sockler> hey viper12 thanks for the help yesterday
[08:44] <viper12> my pleasure sockler
[08:44] <sockler> i would have your children if i was a lonely girl
[08:44] <togs> i've been ifup and ifdowning all day though :P. I'll give iwconfig a shot
[08:44] <viper12> yeah togs, just type iwconfig --help and it will give you the options, and without any comments it will list the current settings of the network devices.
[08:44] <calamari> can't run new apps for some reason.. restarting X
[08:44] <togs> thanks guys, will be back one way or the other :)
[08:44] <viper12> but yer not sockler and I'm relieved. lmao
[08:45] <viper12> take care togs.....
[08:45] <viper12> oh togs
[08:45] <Rocco> can anybody tell me what i've to do to get rights to change scaling_cur_freq?
[08:45] <viper12> there is good info in the forums on setting up via command line with those.  just put them in search in the forums or ubuntu's pages.
[08:45] <JDahl> maybe off-topic, but did anyone here try any of the ggz clients for ubuntu? Does it even work? I wanted to try it, but the client seems to freeze as soon as I try to connect to the server
[08:46] <viper12> Rocco, other than using "sudo" prefacing the command, not sure what you're looking for.
[08:47] <Rocco> viper12: watch: root@nbmini:/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq # echo 800000 > scaling_cur_freq bash: scaling_cur_freq: Keine Berechtigung
[08:48] <viper12> nods. don't have an answer.  <<<is honest at the least. :)
[08:48] <Rocco> viper12 any idea?
[08:49] <sockler> hey anyone know how to get nmap to work on ubuntu
[08:49] <viper12> brb
[08:49] <Rocco> okay
[08:49] <crimsun> sockler: it works by default...
[08:50] <epslaptop> how do you turn off the damned new window thingy on gnome
[08:50] <epslaptop> I've changed the option in gconf-editor but it doesn't change anything
[08:50] <sockler> not for me, says i dont have the right compiler
[08:51] <sockler> i find it odd that ubuntu doesnt have gcc
[08:51] <crimsun> sockler: build-essential
[08:51] <epslaptop> mdk doesn't come with it either
[08:52] <crimsun> sockler: not everyone using a desktop-oriented Linux distribution needs a C compiler by default.
[08:52] <goldfish_> apt-get it
[08:52] <epslaptop> nautilus, how do you turn off the new window thing?
[08:52] <goldfish_> epslaptop: it's on ubuntuguide.org
[08:52] <goldfish_> in tricks section
[08:53] <Rocco> epslaptop, do you run ubuntu on a notebook?
[08:53] <viper12> back.
[08:53] <membreya_> lo viper12
[08:53] <Rocco> fine.
[08:53] <sockler> ok then how do i install nmap without a compiler?
[08:53] <Rocco> viper12: so, any idea
[08:54] <epslaptop> Rocco no, but I'm looking at doing it :P
[08:54] <epslaptop> (on 2k atm, with ubuntu on a desktop)
[08:54] <epslaptop> haven't had the best luck with ubuntu on laptops :(
[08:54] <viper12> hey mem, crimsun...........no rocco.  crimsun would be my suggestion for help on that one.
[08:54] <Agabus> calamari - so have u got the messaging working?
[08:55] <Rocco> may you answer my question please viper12
[08:55] <bestadvocate> anyone tried out graveman 3.8?
[08:55] <crimsun> sockler: apt-get install nmap nmapfe
[08:55] <bestadvocate> nothing is working in it for me
[08:55] <crimsun> sockler: you don't need a C compiler to install compiled packages.
[08:55] <togs> did somebody want to tell me soething before I plugged the plug?
[08:55] <goldfish_> apt-get install gcc
[08:55] <viper12> Rocco...just looking at the command......I'm not familiar with what you're trying to do.  it looks to be a command with re-directs to change the cpu settings, correct?
[08:56] <togs> iwconfig was no good, btw
[08:56] <viper12> what was wrong togs?
[08:56] <Rocco> viper12 right. yesterday it worked perfectly, but today i dont have the rights.....
[08:57] <epslaptop> thanks goldfish_, looks like a good guide :)
[08:57] <calamari> Agabus: don't think so
[08:57] <togs> got an ubuntu box going as a server, it DHCPs and gets 192 addresses assigned, but I can't get it out onto the net
[08:57] <sockler> crimsun: that command didnt gwork for me
[08:57] <calamari> Agabus: I used xmessage, but I suspect I was seeing the message popup though the ssh tunnel
[08:57] <goldfish_> epslaptop: it is :)
[08:57] <viper12> crimsun, could you scroll up a bit to Rocco's command line question?  I'm not completely sure why his 'rights' would change overnight.......unless something got updated.
[08:57] <togs> the crap thing is I gotta swap out cables and keyboards and monitors to try stuff :(
[08:58] <epslaptop> I just set my father up with ubuntu, second install I've done with it - so quickly learning things so I can answer his questions :P
[08:58] <Agabus> calamari - yeh i just ssh'd into my computer and got xmessage working aswell
[08:58] <viper12> togs, is the modem ALSO set up as a dhcp server?
[08:58] <togs> yeah, it's not a router or firewall, just a DHCP modem
[08:58] <Hkloser> my ALS300 sound card doesn't work on ubuntu (or any other linux distro i've tried). OSS say they support it, does it come with ubuntu?
[08:59] <Rocco> viper12 i always changed my cpufreq manually. yesterday i installad powernowd and it worked. but after rebooting it didn't work anymore, so i deleted it, bu now i can even change cpufreq manually
[08:59] <viper12> aha.  the modem is doing dhcp, and you also have a dhcp enabled server?  My bet is you need to go into the router config and turn that off there, so the server is the only machine getting the ip..
[08:59] <calamari> Agabus: I'd need to connect from another computer to know for sure
[08:59] <sid77> hi
[08:59] <togs> it DHCP's ok with winXP, assigns my 203.x.x.x IP
[08:59] <crimsun> sockler: which command didn't?
[09:00] <togs> the weird thing was it picked up the 203 IP when installing
[09:00] <viper12> here crimsun:  I copied it for Rocco :   root@nbmini:/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq # echo 800000 > scaling_cur_freq bash: scaling_cur_freq: Keine Berechtigung
[09:00] <sockler> apt-get
[09:00] <FlyNavy> Viper12,  thanks for help.  Not perfect, but got me in.  Will work more later.
[09:01] <viper12> cool FlyNavy
[09:01] <crimsun> viper12: thanks.
[09:01] <viper12> togs, did you get my 'bit' about the server AND the router using dhcp?
[09:01] <crimsun> Rocco: are you positive that's the file you're supposed to write to?
[09:02] <viper12> and sure crimsun.  my 'boggle' on the deal is the disappearing rights bit.  The ONLY thing that I can think of is that something 'updated' tween then and now that's changed the way things work, but I confess ignorance as to 'why'.
[09:02] <crimsun> Rocco: given the semantics, it doesn't make sense to write to the current frequency, which an ls -l /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq confirms
[09:02] <togs> viper12, i did. If you mean my ADSL modem by router. So are you saying I need to turm off the dhcp server on the ubuntu box?
[09:02] <Rocco> crimsun ???
[09:02] <viper12> one or the other togs.  If the router/modem is working fine as a dhcp server, then the ubuntu box doesn't really need to.
[09:03] <crimsun> Rocco: what are you trying to do?
[09:03] <sockler> crimsun: i entered the apt-get command and it said it couldnt find package
[09:03] <goldfish_> sockler: have you added extra repositires?
[09:04] <Rocco> crimsun i always changed my cpufreq manually. yesterday i installad powernowd and it worked. but after rebooting it didn't work anymore, so i deleted it, bu now i can even change cpufreq manually
[09:04] <togs> yeah, on the ubuntu desktop, i use ipmasq to forward. So how do I turm off dhcp server on the ubuntu box?
[09:04] <crimsun> sockler: are you running warty or hoary?
[09:04] <crimsun> sockler: nmapfe is in universe
[09:04] <sockler> warty
[09:04] <crimsun> sockler: nmap is in main
[09:04] <calc> i'm running grumpy i'm from the future :)
[09:05] <crimsun> calc: you sly wench
[09:05] <sockler> thats all gibberish to me
[09:05] <goldfish_> sockler: www.ubuntuguide.org
[09:05] <the_grey_ghost> sockler use Aptitude search
[09:05] <crimsun> sockler: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePackages
[09:05] <viper12> okay, backtracking a minute here togs.  First, why do you want something other than the 'modem' to be the DHCP server?  Second, if you enabled the ubuntu box to be the dhcp server, then just 'undo' what you did.
[09:06] <the_grey_ghost> sudo aptitude search <package name> will tell you if the package is in the database
[09:06] <crimsun> Rocco: any reason you removed the powernowd package?
[09:06] <soren9580> anyone know how to run an expect script in cron?
[09:07] <togs> err. I don't need anything else to dhcp serve. And I haven't done anything (at least I think) to enable dhcp serving
[09:07] <Rocco> yes, crimsun, it didn't run any more, and i dont have the time to search the error. so i decided to remove it and controll the cpufreq manually again
[09:07] <crimsun> Rocco: I think it's probably easiest to reinstall powernowd
[09:07] <viper12> okay, so on the non-gui ubuntu 'slow' box, if you do an iwconfig, what does it report?  (is the device setup with a static address?
[09:08] <togs> reports nothing. it's not wireless
[09:08] <viper12> ifconfig then
[09:09] <Rocco> crimsun ok, i try, but i need help by installing it.... i need only a little command. wait a minute please
[09:09] <togs> ifconfig says no static IP. and if I do ifdown and ifup on the eth device, it successfully gets an IP from the ADSL modem. problem is that it still can't get to the net
[09:09] <viper12> just a minute togs.
[09:09] <togs> np
[09:10] <sockler> Package nmap is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[09:10] <sockler> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[09:10] <sockler> is only available from another source
[09:10] <crimsun> sockler: is the main repository enabled?
[09:10] <Rocco> viper12, i geht following error:
[09:10] <Rocco> root@nbmini:/home/lukas # dpkg -i powernowd_0.90-3ubuntu9_i386.deb
[09:10] <Rocco> Whle vormals abgewhltes Paket powernowd.
[09:10] <Rocco> (Lese Datenbank ... 85430 Dateien und Verzeichnisse sind derzeit installiert.)
[09:10] <Rocco> Entpacke powernowd (aus powernowd_0.90-3ubuntu9_i386.deb) ...
[09:10] <Rocco> dpkg: Abhngigkeitsprobleme verhindern Konfiguration von powernowd:
[09:10] <Rocco>  powernowd hngt ab von module-init-tools (>= 3.1-rel-2ubuntu2); aber:
[09:10] <AlohaWolf> how do I edit my cron to change what time updatedb runs?
[09:10] <Rocco>   Version von module-init-tools auf dem System ist 3.1-pre2-2ubuntu3.
[09:10] <Rocco> dpkg: Fehler beim Bearbeiten von powernowd (--install):
[09:10] <Rocco>  Abhngigkeitsprobleme - lasse es unkonfiguriert
[09:10] <Rocco> Fehler traten auf beim Bearbeiten von:
[09:10] <Rocco>  powernowd
[09:10] <Rocco> uuups sorry :)
[09:10] <crimsun> Rocco: it's best to do: apt-get install powernowd
[09:10] <sockler> main restricted or unrestricted?
[09:11] <crimsun> sockler: main restricted universe
[09:11] <Rocco> crimsun this way doesn't work. he asks for the ubuntu-cd then, which i dont have
[09:11] <sockler> yeah i enabled the universe ones
[09:11] <sockler> it didnt work so i enabled them all, still doesnt work
[09:12] <crimsun> Rocco: do you have a live Internet connection on the Ubuntu machine?
[09:12] <Rocco> crimsun, there is only a little additional command, which ignores the version..... i cant find it any more. yes, i have inet
[09:12] <crimsun> sockler: are you using apt-get, aptitude, dselect, or Synaptic?
[09:12] <sockler> i used synaptic to enable
[09:12] <sockler> and aptget in command
[09:13] <crimsun> Rocco: then use Synaptic to disable the cd-rom source and to enable the Internet-based one(s), then Reload
[09:13] <crimsun> sockler: did you remember to Reload in Synaptic (or apt-get update)?
[09:14] <sockler> lol didnt do it after enabling
[09:14] <sockler> thanks
[09:15] <togs> while im here, what's pcimia, or something like that? that's laptop stuff, yeah?
[09:15] <goldfish_> think so
[09:15] <crimsun> togs: yeah, peripheral connector standard(s) for laptops
[09:15] <Rocco> root@nbmini:/home/lukas # apt-get install powernowd [bash]  Following packages doesn't perform the dependence: powernowd: depends on: module-init-tools (>= 3.1-rel-2ubuntu2) but 3.1-pre2-2ubuntu3 should be installed
[09:16] <togs> oky, so pcimia errors on desktop boxes are because they're not laptops?
[09:16] <crimsun> Rocco: please apt-get update
[09:17] <Rocco> i did already crimsun
[09:17] <azriel0184> togs, yes. and i always wondered why a desktop install included the pcmcia stuff...
[09:18] <homer2> hmm
[09:18] <goldfish_> hi
[09:18] <homer2> when setting up eggdrops in an ubuntu box, it says i need tcl 8.6.4 when i have 8.6.9 installed
[09:19] <homer2> 8.4.6 and 8.4.9 respectivly
[09:19] <viper12> afk a few minutes.
[09:19] <membreya_> anyone here have experience with configuring squid and using apt-get?
[09:20] <membreya_> just looking at my access.log it says tcp_miss meaning that the proxy isn't caching it cos the local system has it cached
[09:20] <crimsun> Rocco: do you have the warty-security line uncommented, too?
[09:20] <membreya_> but my system doesnt have it cached :|
[09:20] <crimsun> Rocco: err, you don't have to worry about that last question. Apologies.
[09:21] <Rocco> don't understand crimsun..... but i've installed module-init-tools_3.1-pre2-2ubuntu3_i386.deb now manually, still the sam error message
[09:21] <crimsun> Rocco: the problem is that you have mixed warty and hoary sources.
[09:22] <crimsun> 3.1-pre2-2ubuntu3 is from warty; 3.1-rel-2ubuntu2 is from hoary.
[09:22] <Rocco> crimsun: really!? and this means.....?
[09:22] <crimsun> Rocco: did you dist-upgrade to hoary? i.e. are you running hoary?
[09:22] <dewey> ok using live cd I could not get past here:  Entering run level 2; Saving VESA state:  ?
[09:23] <Rocco> crimsun: never heard anything about hoary and warty.... :-/
[09:23] <goldfish_> lol
[09:23] <goldfish_> poor Rocco
[09:23] <goldfish_> :/
[09:23] <Rocco> what shells :D
[09:23] <crimsun> Rocco: dpkg -l libc6|grep ^ii|awk '{print $3}'
[09:25] <Rocco> crimsun: 2.3.2.ds1-13ub
[09:25] <crimsun> ok, so that's the version of libc6 from warty
[09:25] <crimsun> now why is module-init-tools from hoary installed?
[09:26] <Rocco> ...dont know...?
[09:26] <crimsun> Rocco: please paste /etc/apt/sources.list onto http://pastebin.ca
[09:26] <Rocco> crimsun: so i need this module from warty, right?
[09:27] <Rocco> crimsun: root@nbmini:/home/lukas # /etc/apt/sources.list onto http://pastebin.ca .... bash: /etc/apt/sources.list: Keine Berechtigung
[09:29] <Rocco> crimsun: (means: no rights....the same error, when i try to change my cpufreq)
[09:29] <crimsun> Rocco: you have to open a web browser (mozilla-firefox), go to http://pastebin.ca, and copy and paste the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:29] <crimsun> Rocco: don't try to execute it
[09:30] <Benoni> Can someone confirm that openssh for Ubuntu Hoary is *not* built with GSSAPI support?
[09:31] <crimsun> Benoni: correct.
[09:31] <Benoni> OK, thanks crimsun.
[09:31] <epslaptop> welp got ubuntu working nicely :)
[09:31] <epslaptop> detected all drivers... only using vesa at the moment but no need for anything else at this stage
[09:32] <epslaptop> apart from that, impressive :P
[09:33] <membreya> can someone help me with some information on my squid config.. getting new packages via synaptic, and the packages are showing in the access.log as a miss meaning that the local machine has them cached and the proy isn't used...yet my local machine doesnt have them cached.  is there any reason for this ?
[09:33] <crimsun> that's odd terminology for a miss
[09:33] <Rocco> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/6926
[09:33] <crimsun> usually a hit indicates that it is cached
[09:34] <crimsun> a miss indicates that it isn't and thus has to refer upstream
[09:34] <devdude> Has anyone had problems with synergy under hoary? doesnt connect to client since upgraded from warty.
[09:35] <crimsun> devdude: 1.0.14-1?
[09:35] <devdude> 1.0.14
[09:36] <crimsun> Rocco: ok, you need to comment out that first line
[09:36] <crimsun> Rocco: put a '#' at the beginning of the line
[09:36] <Rocco> crimsun.....deb cdrom....
[09:37] <crimsun> Rocco: yes.
[09:37] <Rocco> done, crimsun
[09:39] <Rocco> crimsun.... i don't understand..... powernowd workes fine after installing, but no more after rebooting,
[09:43] <jeavis> Hi
[09:43] <MyNameIsChris> Hello jeavis
[09:43] <jeavis> How to uninstall a software?
[09:44] <crimsun> Rocco: I don't know anything offhand, sorry.
[09:44] <crimsun> Rocco: have you looked at https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/CPUFreqModuleLoading
[09:45] <MyNameIsChris> jeavis: What software?
[09:46] <jeavis> mysql
[09:46] <jeavis> MyNameIsChris: mySQL
[09:46] <Rocco> crimsun thank you very much. i will have a look at it afterwards.....cu, and thanks again
[09:46] <MyNameIsChris> jeavis: apt-get remove packagename if you downloaded it as a package
[09:47] <jeavis> MyNameIsChris: Thank you very much
[09:50] <MyNameIsChris> jeavis: np
[09:50] <dims> hi
[09:51] <dims> can anyone help on setting up XFCE4 instead of Gnome on Ubuntu distribution?
[09:52] <MyNameIsChris> sudo apt-get install xfce
[09:53] <dims> I have downloaded XFCE4 from synoptic
[09:54] <MyNameIsChris> Can't help you then, apt-get does everything for you
[09:55] <_4strO> mmm
[09:55] <_4strO> i have dowloaded Enlightenment but it doesn't appear in GDM
[09:56] <dims> ok, I ll try this way, sorry I am new to this, quiet impressed with Ubuntu
[09:56] <_4strO> hi all ^^
[09:56] <jeff_> dims
[09:56] <jeff_> i can help you set up xfce my man
[09:56] <jeff_> first off, un install xfce4 from synoptic
[09:56] <jeff_> that verison is an old verison
[09:56] <MyNameIsChris> _4str0: Hello
[09:57] <steve_> can anyone give me a list of their hoary sources
[09:57] <dims> how do I uninstall?
[09:57] <jeff_> just open up synoptic and de select it
[09:57] <dims> ok, let me try
[09:57] <_4strO> :)
[09:57] <wheelbarr> I'm trying to boot from the hoary live CD on a toshiba 2210CDT and all I get is the mouse, works fine, but nothing else. Checked the web site and the 2210CDT is said to work fine. Any ideas ?
[09:57] <jeff_> once you have that done, click on this link and follow it step by step. it should have you finished in no time
[09:58] <[Zenith] > dims, or you can use apt-get remove "package"
[09:58] <steve_> can anyone give me a list of their hoary sources
[09:59] <virtuald> meew
[10:00] <viper12> gads.
[10:00] <jeff_> dims: this page should get you the newest verison. you'll need to compile from source, though
[10:00] <jeff_> but its simple step by step directions that even i could figure out.
[10:00] <jeff_> http://www.tuxme.com/node/358
[10:00] <viper12> sometimes troubleshooting via text/typing is WORSE than a friggin' game of telephone. shakes head.
[10:01] <viper12> <vent mode off.
[10:01] <dims> jeff, in synoptic I remember it install the whole lot of other stuff when I marked xfce4, how do i get rid off it all, then?
[10:01] <jeff_> dont worry about that
[10:01] <the_grey_ghost> is there a free hardware testing program on the internet
[10:02] <jeff_> see, im pretty sure the verison in synptoic is 4.0
[10:02] <jeff_> you probally want 4.2
[10:02] <jeff_> just de select all the xfce packages, the rest are probally going to be helpful when you compile the sources
[10:03] <jeff_> k once that is done, goto http://www.tuxme.com/node/358 and follow step by step
[10:03] <dims> yes 4.2, OK
[10:03] <jeff_> you'll be up and running the cholerstrol free enviroment in no time
[10:03] <the_grey_ghost> I have allot of buggy hardware to analyse. Ie where does the memory tester in Grub come from?
[10:03] <the_grey_ghost> Just Use ICE
[10:03] <the_grey_ghost> Why Xfce?
[10:03] <jeff_> if you need any help just le tme know
[10:04] <jeff_> i duno i like the feel of it
[10:04] <jeff_> use the mouse wheel to use between desktops
[10:04] <jeff_> to each his own though
[10:04] <the_grey_ghost> True
[10:05] <dims> thanks, jeff
[10:05] <jeff_> website is helping?
[10:11] <heyrhett> how do i set up the contrib repo?
[10:12] <membreya> do get apt-get to install all files including "recommended packages" is it apt-get install -f ?
[10:12] <membreya> nevermind :P
[10:12] <xinel> okies im trying to set up my epson stylus c45 usb printer, ive read through the forums but haven't been able to get it working, ive got cups and foomatic installed any ideas?
[10:14] <selinium_> hi all, anyone able to help with getting a plam os device talking to ubuntu?
[10:14] <selinium_> palm even
[10:19] <selinium_> hi all, anyone able to help with getting a palm os device talking to ubuntu?
[10:19] <MyNameIsChris> which Palm?
[10:20] <MyNameIsChris> Say z72 and I can help
[10:20] <selinium_> MyNameIsChris: The ique 3600 from garmin.
[10:21] <Myrtti> could you recommend me a good sftp / scp / ftp program with a tolerable GUI?
[10:21] <MyNameIsChris> Okay, have you tried gpilot?
[10:21] <membreya> Myrtti: gftp? :P
[10:21] <scolbe> heh.. did an upgrade from warty to hoary and synaptic managed to uninstall it self.. ;)
[10:21] <Myrtti> :-o
[10:22] <Myrtti> membreya: one of those programs without .desktop-file?
[10:23] <selinium_> MyNameIsChris: I have but I cant get it to talk! The gpilot conduit is supposed to support the ique. it is probably a settings thing. Or it isnt detecting the cradle or soomething?
[10:23] <MyNameIsChris> I know
[10:23] <MyNameIsChris> One second
[10:23] <MyNameIsChris> Do a lsusb while I find it
[10:24] <selinium_> MyNameIsChris: ANother new command learnt! CHeers
[10:25] <MyNameIsChris> Well, there is a devices.xml file somewhere. Add the vendor and device id to it. I'll keep looking for it but you try too
[10:25] <MyNameIsChris> Got it
[10:25] <MyNameIsChris> /usr/share/gnome-pilot/devices.xml
[10:25] <selinium_> MyNameIsChris: LOL give me a chance! :P
[10:26] <MyNameIsChris> You should be able to work it out from what is alread in the file
[10:26] <MyNameIsChris> I am on a roll
[10:26] <selinium_> MyNameIsChris: Ok one mo.
[10:28] <Echylo> how to get win32 codecs again?
[10:28] <Echylo> marillat or what was it?
[10:28] <selinium_> MyNameIsChris: It is already in there, the third one down.
[10:28] <MyNameIsChris> Some Vendor and device ids?
[10:29] <selinium_> MyNameIsChris: <!-- Garmin Ique 3600 -->
[10:29] <selinium_> <device vendor_id="091e" product_id="0004"
[10:30] <Echylo> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[10:30] <MyNameIsChris> What does your lsusb say?
[10:30] <Echylo> is this the corret marillat?
[10:30] <Echylo> correct*
[10:30] <selinium_> MyNameIsChris: I have just got to find it again. Too many windows!
[10:30] <MyNameIsChris> Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0830:0061 Palm, Inc., vendor=0830,device=0061
[10:30] <MyNameIsChris> That is mine
[10:30] <MyNameIsChris> 0830:006 is the important part
[10:31] <selinium_> MyNameIsChris: Bus 002 Device 003: ID 0403:fc82 Future Technology Devices International, Ltd
[10:31] <MyNameIsChris> Sure that is it?
[10:32] <MyNameIsChris> Add <device vendor_id="0403" product_id="fc82" />
[10:32] <selinium_> MyNameIsChris: Nope but it is the only value showing on the lsusb
[10:33] <MyNameIsChris> Try adding
[10:33] <MyNameIsChris> it
[10:33] <MyNameIsChris> oops
[10:34] <selinium_> I have just moved the usb to somewhere an old usb1.1 port to see if there is any change in the lsusb
[10:34] <MyNameIsChris> Okay, I had this problem with my palmOne Zire 72
[10:34] <MyNameIsChris> Make sure it is on
[10:36] <selinium_> MyNameIsChris: Bus 001 Device 002: ID 091e:0004 Garmin International looks a bit better!
[10:37] <dims> jeff?
[10:37] <MyNameIsChris> Bugger, that is not the problem
[10:37] <MyNameIsChris> usb?
[10:37] <MyNameIsChris> Oops
[10:37] <MyNameIsChris> WHat I meant to say
[10:38] <MyNameIsChris> ttyusb1?
[10:39] <dims> when i ran sudo ./xfce4-4.2.0-installer.bin I get an error that compiling installer gui is failed
[10:39] <selinium_> MyNameIsChris: In the gpilot setup it have values for /dev/pilot and /dev/ttys0-3
[10:40] <MyNameIsChris> Try ttyusb1
[10:41] <heyrhett> I installed firefox 1.0.1 in /usr/local/firefox, and now i can't install the flash plugin
[10:41] <MyNameIsChris> /dev/ttyusb1
[10:41] <selinium_> MyNameIsChris: Ok, doing it know
[10:41] <selinium_> MyNameIsChris: now even
[10:43] <selinium_> MyNameIsChris: Still no joy :(
[10:43] <selinium_> MyNameIsChris: I am using the gpilot druid. Should i be doing this at  command line?
[10:44] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[10:44] <selinium_> hi da_bon_bon
[10:44] <da_bon_bon> anone here on the hoary 2.6.11 kernel got vmware running ?
[10:46] <da_bon_bon> selinium_: hello
[10:47] <MyNameIsChris> selinium_: I am out of ideas, they are the two problems I have
[10:48] <MyNameIsChris> Try creating a udev rule for /dev/pilot
[10:49] <selinium_> MyNameIsChris: Now your talking like i konw what i am doing!
[10:49] <MyNameIsChris> I am not totally sure how to do it in this circumstance. Someone in this channel will know how to write one using the vendor and device ids
[10:50] <MyNameIsChris> open /etc/udev/udev.rules
[10:51] <ironwolf> anyone gotten bluetooth to work?  specifically sending a file from ubuntu to a bluetooth phone?
[10:52] <selinium_> ironwolf: there is loads of stuff on google to try.
[10:52] <selinium_> MyNameIsChris: I have it open and backed up
[10:52] <MyNameIsChris> I must work it out
[10:52] <selinium_> k
[10:52] <MyNameIsChris> I have done it before
[10:53] <ironwolf> selinium_:indeed, some of it conflicting info.  Hence asking here.
[10:53] <selinium_> MyNameIsChris: :)
[10:53] <selinium_> ironwolf: Which phone?
[10:54] <selinium_> ironwolf: is your bluetooth dongle
[10:54] <selinium_> ironwolf: is you bluetooth dongle
[10:54] <selinium_> ironwolf: which bluetooth dongle
[10:54] <selinium_> ironwolf: Sorry
[10:55] <ironwolf> selinium_: the belkin 100 meter adapter, and a motorola v600 phone.
[10:55] <selinium_> selinium: have you got the bluetooth working at all?
[10:56] <selinium_> ironwolf: have you got the bluetooth working at all? is it just your phone?
[10:56] <ironwolf> selinium_: nothing works yet.
[10:56] <selinium_> ironwolf: ok
[11:00] <selinium_> ironwolf: have you looked in synaptic, under bluetooth?
[11:00] <ironwolf> selinium_: I installed gnome-bluetooth... but so far that's it.
[11:01] <selinium_> ok
[11:01] <MyNameIsChris> selinium_: I cannot work it out, is /dev/ttyusb1 there when your pda is on and gone when it is off?
[11:01] <selinium_> MyNameIsChris: I will look.
[11:02] <ironwolf> selinium_: synaptic gives me gnome-bluetooth
[11:02] <membreya> lo selinium_ :)
[11:03] <da_bon_bon> anyone got vmware working on the kernel 2.6.11-1-686 ?
[11:03] <selinium_> membreya: hi there!
[11:04] <selinium_> ironwolf: have you got libbluetooth1 installed?
[11:05] <Cspnico> Hi
[11:05] <da_bon_bon> anyone got vmware working on the kernel 2.6.11-1-686 ?
[11:05] <Cspnico> My Xfee86 server doesn't work how i can reeinstall them?
[11:05] <da_bon_bon> on hoary ?
[11:05] <selinium_> MyNameIsChris: Strange? usb0 is there constantly, but when i click sync both 1 and 2 come up aswell
[11:05] <ironwolf> selinium_: dpkg says yes.
[11:06] <ironwolf> da_bon_bon: when did 2.6.11-1 come out?
[11:06] <MyNameIsChris> Try 1 and 2 and if they don't work I am sorry I cannot help
[11:06] <da_bon_bon> ironwolf: long back
[11:06] <MyNameIsChris> It worked fo rme
[11:06] <MyNameIsChris> for me
[11:08] <P229> is there an ETA for hoary final?
[11:08] <da_bon_bon> P229: april
[11:08] <ompaul> P229, April
[11:09] <selinium_> MyNameIsChris: Cheers for the pointers. I will carry on giving it a go!
[11:09] <ironwolf> da_bon_bon: hadn't appeared on my radar yet.  Checking apt-get dist-upgrade now to see if it's automagically there.
[11:09] <MyNameIsChris> Good luck, I am sure it is something obvious
[11:09] <membreya> ooo only one month to go :)
[11:09] <P229> heh, just in time to provide relief from tax season
[11:09] <MyNameIsChris> If it is in devices.xml it should work
[11:10] <ompaul> P229, you could move to somewhere that Tax is October 31
[11:10] <MyNameIsChris> ompaul: You typed faster, it was the lag that got you
[11:10] <ompaul> MyNameIsChris, haha
[11:10] <selinium_> MyNameIsChris: Cheers for all the pointers, the missus has just put breakfast infront of me so I will let you know how I get on in abotu15 mins!
[11:10] <da_bon_bon> ompaul: :)
[11:10] <P229> ompaul: what I'd really like is for taxes to stop bleeding me dry
[11:11] <ompaul> P229, in two words value chain
[11:12] <da_bon_bon> PLEASE HELP -- quite strange -- http://rafb.net/paste/results/c8oVqc64.html
[11:12] <P229> ompaul: in my language the two words are "tax break"
[11:12] <P229> heh
[11:14] <ompaul> da_bon_bon, ooch
[11:14] <Keiw> FREE ****** www.otomotivshow.com
[11:15] <da_bon_bon> ompaul: ??
[11:15] <P229> ok, where's an op
[11:15] <ompaul> da_bon_bon, I read that post
[11:15] <ompaul> s/post/paste
[11:15] <da_bon_bon> ompaul: and whats the conclusion ?
[11:16] <ompaul> I am trying to think of something that might be helpful
[11:16] <da_bon_bon> please, ompaul, i am confused!
[11:18] <P229> da_bon_bon: do you have the source for kernel 2.6.11-1-686 installed?
[11:19] <da_bon_bon> P229: i ahve the source for 2.6.11 not 686 - there isnt one
[11:19] <ompaul> da_bon_bon, http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0007.3/0587.html  <-- this is an old reference to that issue it may explain more background to some of the problem
[11:19] <P229> da_bon_bon: but what about 2.6.11-1?
[11:20] <da_bon_bon> P229: i dont think thers something like that too
[11:21] <ompaul> da_bon_bon,  http://www.faqts.com/knowledge_base/view.phtml/aid/22369/fid/1144  <-- that was the same error with a previous version on debian
[11:22] <da_bon_bon> ompaul: thanks a lot man
[11:22] <P229> da_bon_bon: ugh... listen to ompaul
[11:23] <da_bon_bon> P229: thanks anyways :)
[11:23] <P229> heh, no problem
[11:23] <da_bon_bon> ompaul: thats vmware for windows - i am trying to install vmware on linux
[11:23] <ompaul> da_bon_bon, if you need vmware have you looked at Xen ?
[11:24] <ompaul> da_bon_bon, ahh
[11:25] <danny666> hi
[11:25] <MyNameIsChris> Hello danny
[11:25] <danny666> can somebody tell me how i can get my soundblaster live 5.1 to play 5.1?
[11:25] <Madeye> hey, I'm having problem in my internet connection, I can connect to anything except the HTTP, any idea?
[11:26] <danny666> router?
[11:26] <da_bon_bon> ompaul: whats Xen ?
[11:26] <Madeye> danny666, No, ADSL model
[11:27] <ompaul> da_bon_bon, as far as I can figure out it is FOSS xen I have not had time or opportunity to test it but I know one guy who raves about it - he has been using FOSS since the 80'2
[11:27] <ompaul> 80's even
[11:28] <danny666> sorry then i dont know
[11:28] <ompaul> back before there was a linux
[11:31] <da_bon_bon> ompaul: and who is that ?
[11:32] <ompaul> who was using it back then :-) I didn't know him then but barry flanagan the man who brought affordable internet access to Ireland
[11:32] <da_bon_bon> ompaul: Xen cant emulate windows! :P
[11:32] <ompaul> da_bon_bon, so be it :)
[11:34] <da_bon_bon> ompaul: well, i am getting the headers. maybe that will work /?
[11:34] <TPC> whats the difference between flashplayer-mozilla and flashplugin-nonfree?
[11:35] <da_bon_bon> ompaul: well, due to lag, i wont be getting ny messages. so, thanks a lot.
[11:37] <baikonur> hi, can I use the live cd to install ubuntu as you can do it with some versions of knoppix?
[11:40] <lifeAcolyte> Can I use a regular Debian unstable link in my sources.list?
[11:45] <ironwolf> baikonur: not on warty/stable, but if you have the live DVD of hoary, then yes.
[11:54] <AngryClip> if I move my /home dir into a Fat32 fs, will I run into problems? or will there be a noticable speed decrease?
[11:55] <Ribs> probabily
[11:55] <Ribs> what would posses you to do such a thing?
[11:56] <AngryClip> will there by any problems that I am not forseeing, and will it play nice if I set the windows "My documents" folder into the same place?
[11:56] <Ribs> AngryClip: backup first
[11:56] <Ribs> I can't see it working
[11:56] <Ribs> as fat32 has no concept of user ownership
[11:57] <AngryClip> oh
[11:57] <Ribs> It's the FS Windows 9x uses, right?
[11:57] <AngryClip> yeah
[11:57] <Ribs> hell, I'm not a *nix expert either :)
[11:57] <AngryClip> :P
[11:57] <Ribs> I can't see it working then
[11:57] <ompaul> Ribs, it does have a concept of ownershipi it is the anarchy concept the strongest program can do what it likes :)
[11:58] <AngryClip> never mind, it was just an idea
[11:58] <AngryClip> lol ompaul
[11:58] <Ribs> success breeds Mircosoft
[11:58] <Ribs> tsk tsk
[11:59] <ompaul> AngryClip, why are you thinking of moving your /home into a fat32 dir?
[11:59] <lunitik> ompaul: apparently so he can use it for /home/him and his personal stuff on Windows...
[12:00] <AngryClip> ompaul: because I do a lot of work in /home, and occasionly I need to use it in windows but I forget to move it to the windows partion so it can't access it
[12:00] <AngryClip> lazyness I guess
[12:00] <lunitik> ompaul: actually not a bad idea -- if there was less chance of it breaking things  :P
[12:00] <lunitik> AngryClip: you know there are free ext3 drivers for windows?
[12:01] <AngryClip> no I didn't
[12:01] <AngryClip> are they reliable?
[12:01] <AngryClip> could I point my "My Documents" folder to the /home then?
[12:01] <ompaul> AngryClip, so write a script that on shutdown copies the relevant files to fat32 or just kill off windows and do all the work from Linux :)
[12:01] <lunitik> AngryClip: I haven't seen any complaints...
[12:01] <AngryClip> or would that also bork things up a tad
[12:01] <lunitik> AngryClip: you can point it anywhere if you grab TweakUI ...
[12:01] <AngryClip> I do do most of my work in linux ompaul
[12:02] <AngryClip> it's just VB via crossover office sometimes gets unpredictible
[12:02] <AngryClip> you can point it anywhere without tweakui
[12:02] <AngryClip> just open up windows explorer, right click on it and choose the path
[12:02] <mactiny> guys this may be an idiot questioin.. but hpw do u change to root user right after an install
[12:02] <mactiny> im new
[12:02] <mactiny> to it all
[12:03] <mactiny> there didnt seem to be an option ot set the root pass during install
[12:03] <mactiny> or am i missing something
[12:03] <ompaul> mactiny, you can launch the "root terminal"
[12:03] <mactiny> u need a pass for that
[12:03] <AngryClip> you can give root a password via
[12:04] <mactiny> yeah
[12:04] <padraig> mactiny -  http://ubuntuguide.org/#gainrootmodifykernel
[12:04] <mactiny> thankyou
[12:04] <lunitik> AngryClip: one example: http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/ext2ifs.htm
[12:04] <mactiny> greatly appreciated
[12:04] <padraig> mactiny - actually STOP!
[12:04] <padraig> wrong url ;-)
[12:04] <mactiny> k
[12:04] <mactiny> hehe
[12:04] <mactiny> ok
[12:05] <AngryClip> sudo passwd root
[12:05] <AngryClip> ^^^^
[12:05] <AngryClip> then you can use the
[12:05] <AngryClip> su
[12:05] <AngryClip> as normal
[12:05] <AngryClip> ty lunitik
[12:05] <TPC> or just sudo su
[12:05] <ompaul> mactiny the concept is that you use sudo for root tasks and not give a password to root so youy can sudo su - if you really feel like being root
[12:05] <TPC> and use your normal pass
[12:05] <mactiny> you may need to explain.. im new to linux
[12:06] <mactiny> wat is sudo
[12:06] <mactiny> what*
[12:06] <P229> do as superuser
[12:06] <padraig> mactiny - its worth having a look here -> http://ubuntuguide.org/#setchangeenablerootpassword
[12:06] <ompaul> mactiny  sudo, sudoedit - execute a command as another user
[12:06] <mactiny> ok
[12:06] <AngryClip> lunitik: you can't write with that
[12:07] <AngryClip> nevermind, when I have finished this module at uni in a few months I can get rid of windows completely
[12:07] <ompaul> AngryClip, you could have another "segment" of the machine on fat32 where you put work that you "share"
[12:09] <mactiny> im not sure if developers are here, but what does the future hold for ubuntu
[12:09] <AngryClip> ompaul: that is what i am doing atm
[12:09] <tp__> hi, I have a new hoary install on an ibm t42.. I've having problems with reconnecting to my wireless router. Upon reboot wireless comes up fine. If I cycle the router then I lose wireless and can't get it back at all without a reboot?
[12:09] <ompaul> AngryClip, ahh
[12:09] <AngryClip> I just thought they could of been a more elgant solution
[12:09] <Goshawk> doing ls /dev/fb* i find only fb0, where are all the others fbx?
[12:09] <AngryClip> I shall survive :D but thanks anyway
[12:10] <kratzer54847> noobs!
[12:11] <tp__> just for information - I'm a happy ubuntu user on other fixed and wireless computers in our business.
[12:12] <selinium_> aargh, I have been trying to get ubuntu to talk to my Palm OS iQue 3600 for about 2 hours now.. Help!
[12:13] <kratzer54847> noobs!
[12:13] <mactiny> i know you all would argue it is ready already, but when do you think ubuntu will reach a point of maturity whereby itll be a easy change over from xp, with no "Bugs". Lets face it, getting the basics working under windows is much easier.
[12:14] <mactiny> i really hope itll fulfill its potential
[12:14] <mactiny> where is the community heading with it
[12:14] <AngryClip> mactiny: I don't think so tbh, take my laptop for example, in windows if I plug a mouse in then I need to install drivers etc wheras in ubuntu I just plug it in and it worked
[12:14] <selinium_> mactiny: You sound like a reporter!
[12:14] <tp__> mactiny: when hardware suppliers pay a fraction of the attention to linux drivers as they do to windows drivers, it may happen
[12:14] <mactiny> im not
[12:14] <ompaul> kratzer54847 given the diversity of language finding a new and more impressive statement might be worth exploring :)
[12:15] <ompaul> doh!
[12:15] <mactiny> so u say the problem is with hardware suppliers
[12:15] <mpathy> help! got a problem with hotplug.. my pc freeezes at startup
[12:15] <tp__> ompaul: how about.. hmm.. I seem unable to answer these questions but have to say something anyway?
[12:16] <selinium_> ompaul: I think kratzer54847 has found the up arrow!
[12:16] <tp__> mactiny: I'm saying they could make the situation a lot easier
[12:16] <ompaul> tp__, yes
[12:16] <mactiny> yeah i get that
[12:16] <mactiny> so where is ubuntu heading
[12:16] <ompaul> mactiny, really the problem is with people buying from suppliers that sell hardware that does not work with linux
[12:17] <selinium_> mpathy: hotplug freezes on a few things it cant start but will continue on. Have a look at www.ubuntuguide.org for more info
[12:17] <mactiny> like winmodems
[12:17] <mactiny> for example
[12:17] <tp__> mactiny: heres a good example, I just bought a new laptop and chose an ibm t42. It worked pretty much out of the box...
[12:18] <mpathy> but i disconnected all USB things and it doesnt continue.. even if I wait a hour
[12:18] <ompaul> mactiny, well I have always insisted on serial just to make the point for over last 10 years
[12:18] <selinium_> mactiny: As a new ubuntu/linux user i have to say i am impressed with not only the stability, but also the security of linux systems. If people wake up to the fact that if they only use a pc for email and browsing , there is no point install costly microsoft software
[12:19] <mactiny> do you think it is realistic to think linux can win, considering what is against it
[12:19] <mactiny> yeah i understand that
[12:19] <tp__> it's already won.. I may be thinking of a different war though ;-)
[12:19] <mactiny> the problem is, basic things like installing software are kinda hard compared with windows
[12:19] <mactiny> haha
[12:19] <mactiny> the war of numbers*
[12:20] <_4strO> it seems to be defferent now
[12:20] <mactiny> well thats the war im thinking of
[12:20] <selinium_> mactiny: using synaptic i find is easier than installing a MS product
[12:20] <_4strO> on ubuntu u only have to launch synaptic
[12:21] <_4strO> and search ur soft
[12:21] <_4strO> and click install
[12:21] <mactiny> simply things like, the theme's. I found the main defualt theme to be the only profesional theme
[12:21] <_4strO> don't have to search on the web
[12:21] <mactiny> the others were clearly still being developed
[12:21] <ompaul> it has won - people, in particular microsoft, are going on in the same way, but the change is happening, let us examine for a moment the FireFox situation, it is now over 10% of the browser market, people are wondering is there more of this stuff out there it is happening, it just does not go the way that the Microsofts expect
[12:21] <_4strO> just search a package name
[12:21] <selinium_> mactiny: no discs to lose/corrupt. All your software gets updated if available. If a new release is out there you know about it
[12:21] <spiral> hi
[12:22] <mactiny> is there a clear line drawn between developed software, and young software
[12:22] <BeTa> that's strange... here synaptic does not show me anything in categories
[12:22] <mactiny> is it a thing of simply experience telling you which is good
[12:22] <ompaul> mactiny, only in the mind of the viewer :)
[12:22] <BeTa> I'm running warty on ppc
[12:22] <ompaul> spiral, hi
[12:23] <tp__> mactiny: although ubuntu is currently losing the 'dropped wireless connection' war
[12:23] <BeTa> that's strange, in the trail bar, synaptic says "3 packages listed, 1084 installed (...)"
[12:23] <tp__> mactiny: I think that war may be localised though
[12:23] <selinium_> mactiny: what would make you choose between mcaffee or a synaptic antivirus product?
[12:23] <ompaul> tp__, my wifes machine does wireless on warty no problems at all
[12:23] <mactiny> thats the thing, you have to play for the more "Non enthusiast  " viewpoint for what looks good
[12:24] <tp__> ompaul: I've got other machines working fine.. this one works for a while but if the wireless is interupted, it won't reconnect without a reboot
[12:24] <ompaul> mactiny, you defeat your own arguement., the non enthusiast is not going to explore themes or at least will go back to the original
[12:24] <mactiny> dont you think there should be a clear ine drawn between developed and developing software
[12:24] <tp__> ompaul.. I'm thinking it might be suspend issues...
[12:25] <mactiny> well, my point is that the defualt, may be fairly professional, but i dont think the non enthusiast will like it
[12:25] <ompaul> tp__, try sudo dhclient it might be useful
[12:25] <mactiny> its to dark
[12:25] <selinium_> mactiny: Why? Microsoft have been releasing beta software for 20 years
[12:25] <tp__> ompaul: ok... looking
[12:26] <mactiny> my point is, that for somone who doesnt know the linux ongoings, and who only has experience in the microsoft world, will find it a huge task to learn which is good and whoch isnt in the linux world dirung vchange over
[12:26] <ompaul> mactiny, the real situation here is that you are spoilt for choice - you can import your own desktop background, for instance I use nasa images
[12:26] <macewan> anyone tried poppler with evince?
[12:26] <mactiny> i think you right
[12:26] <tp__> ompaul... unfortunately not, just tried rediscovering. can't think why a hard restart would work where updown won't
[12:27] <jdub> mactiny: that's why we ship the best of the best, so they don't have to choose. :-)
[12:27] <mactiny> ahha
[12:27] <mactiny> the thing is you haev to tell people what they need to like, because they dont know themselves
[12:27] <mactiny> and finding out, takes time and effort
[12:27] <mactiny> which they may not be willing to gove
[12:27] <tp__> what does a hard restart do to networking that networking restart and ifupdowns won't
[12:27] <jdub> sure, but that's what we do
[12:29] <ompaul> mactiny, and you change car and the indicator is in a different location, the wipers too the petrol tank you adapt there is a minor price for the change - if you are not willing to pay it then maybe just maybe you need to do some more thinking about what it is you need a computer for and why it is you are using one in the first place
[12:29] <cavediver> Hi guys. Can someone confirm a broken Openoffice2 in Hoary?
[12:29] <cavediver> I can't install it-.
[12:29] <mactiny> dont you think a few more "candy" items are needed in the defualt release
[12:29] <ompaul> cavediver, I can't it worked for me last night
[12:29] <mactiny> i agree ompaul
[12:29] <spiral> cavediver: yesterday it worked... and I don't think it is updating right now
[12:29] <cavediver> Strange.
[12:30] <mactiny> my point is "non enthusiasts" dont see it that way
[12:30] <ompaul> mactiny, if you want such things document them, go to the ubuntu site get a logon, join in the ideas pool
[12:30] <cavediver> I get this:  openoffice.org2-common: Depends: openoffice.org2-core (> 1.9.76) but it is not installable
[12:30] <selinium_> aargh, I have been trying to get ubuntu to talk to my Palm OS iQue 3600 for about 2 hours now.. Help!
[12:30] <cavediver> E: Broken packages
[12:31] <tp__> selenium:what problems you having?
[12:31] <ompaul> cavediver, can you do apt-get install openoffice.org2-core
[12:31] <mactiny> well i would prefer to mouth off here :) .. i havent got the time to help with development. The truth is, and i may be wrong, but i think people like ubuntu because its heading strongly in the direction which i am talking about
[12:31] <ompaul> cavediver, sorry stop
[12:31] <mactiny> hehe
[12:32] <mactiny> but that doesnt mean i appreciate what u gusy are doing
[12:32] <ompaul> cavediver, cavediver do this first - apt-cache search openoffice.org2-core
[12:33] <selinium_> tp__ I cant get Ubuntu to discover it! I have lsusb it and it shows it has found the iQue but i cant get them to connect
[12:33] <wheelbarr> I'm trying to boot from the hoary live CD on a toshiba 2210CDT and all I get is the mouse, works fine, but nothing else. Checked the web site and the 2210CDT is said to work fine. Is this the right channel for this  ?
[12:33] <nburana> #python
[12:33] <ompaul> cavdiver that should tell you what you want to apt-get
[12:33] <wheelbarr> ok who do i have to sleep with ?
[12:34] <ompaul> wheelbarr, yourself?
[12:34] <wheelbarr> thats not what my wife thinks :/>
[12:35] <mactiny> i just hope, that ubuntu sees things from the perspective of the client, who are mostly "dumb". They need lots of pretty pictures, and nice sounds to keep their attention. But from my view, and its an unimformed one, it seems that many linux developers see things from their "ooh, do you know what under the bonnet" perspective. Am i worng in thinking that.
[12:36] <mactiny> thus the enthusiast idea
[12:36] <selinium_> tp__ The palm conduit devices.xml contians the right refeerences for the iQue. I dont know where to go from here!
[12:36] <cavediver> ompaul: strange.
[12:37] <Chipzz> mactiny: part of where you're wrong is that most distributions dont produce code
[12:37] <cavediver> ompaul: Today i can se or2-common but not org2-core
[12:37] <mactiny> the point is, linux may be a glorious beast under the bonnet, but it doesnt matter if those that never look under the bonnet are the ones that buy it.
[12:37] <ompaul> mactiny, I evangelise linux a `lot` I think that that perception is changing, after all who ever got sacked for buying $TLA :) it happens
[12:37] <mactiny> please explain? i am trying to learn something hear
[12:38] <Chipzz> if you're talking about implementing new visible features for the sake of the dumb people, that's upstreams task anyway
[12:38] <mactiny> i guess my main point in speakign with you all here, is to understadnt the linux community
[12:39] <mactiny> if i think you right, then ill evangelise with you
[12:39] <jdub> mactiny: i think it's pretty obvious by the way we're doing things that we're not solely concentrating on 'enthusiasts'
[12:39] <mactiny> yeah, i see that with ubuntu
[12:39] <mactiny> and it excites me
[12:39] <jdub> right, so you know the answer to your own question, then, by the looks of it
[12:39] <tp__> selenium: sorry... can't help :-(
[12:39] <mactiny> im trying to find out if my excitment is warranted
[12:40] <mactiny> hehe
[12:40] <ompaul> mactiny, GNU/Linux is open and a herd of cats as Linus said, so go commit yourself to it
[12:40] <danny666> i have soundblaster problems can somebody please help?
[12:40] <selinium_> mactiny: I am a PC enthusiast, not a linux enthusiast. I choose the best programs for the job. Linux has proven to be the best. No viruses, Great support from other users... Unheard of from Windows users, and above above all cost free!
[12:40] <qosmof> hola :) someone using Radeon 9200SE on hoary with xorg radeon driver? (it crash to me)
[12:40] <danny666> yes me
[12:41] <danny666> i am having a radeon 9500pro on ubuntu hoary
[12:41] <mactiny> how would u all rate the defualt theme out of 1 to 10
[12:41] <selinium_> mactiny: The cost of a new PC would be in the region of 300-500 pounds cheaper if you used linux instead of MS
[12:41] <mactiny> how many of you stick ith the defualt theme
[12:41] <danny666> 7
[12:41] <mactiny> yeah, the price factor does play a hug epart
[12:42] <qosmof> danny666, could you paste your xorg.conf in a query please?
[12:43] <mactiny> and is the theme you are using now packed into the standard ubuntu package?
[12:43] <selinium_> mactiny: I have stuck with the default theme, but there a loads of theme sites out there, the same as with windows. Just google gnome themes
[12:43] <spiral> hi
[12:43] <danny666> qosmf: use this site http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:43] <qosmof> maybe my problem is just about agpgart kernel module, it isn't in /etc/modules
[12:43] <danny666> it helpt me alot
[12:43] <qosmof> danny666, ok
[12:43] <ompaul> mactiny on different boxes I use slightly different themes :) so one of the boxes here is default bog standard no frills etc
[12:43] <selinium_> tp__ no worries!
[12:44] <danny666> just do everything exept for fglrxconfig
[12:44] <danny666> read the notes
[12:44] <mactiny> thx for answering my questions
[12:44] <mactiny> i appreciate it
[12:44] <danny666> if u have a nforce chipset
[12:45] <selinium_> mactiny: no problems!
[12:45] <qosmof> i don't want to use the fglrx driver (binary by ati) but the open driver included in xorg (radeon module)
[12:45] <mactiny> wish u all well with you endeavours
[12:45] <mactiny> bye
[12:45] <danny666> why that
[12:46] <danny666> fglrx driver is better then that
[12:46] <selinium_> can anyone help with connecting a palm handheld?
[12:46] <qosmof> danny666, just because 3D is important but not so much, I think I prefer a more "free" system (I don't play games)
[12:46] <danny666> is tehre noboody who can help me with my soundbladter problem?
[12:47] <danny666> then u dont need all of this
[12:47] <danny666> then just rconfigure ur xserver
[12:47] <danny666> i dont know the exact command to start that
[12:48] <deadline> hi, can i upgrade ubuntu to debian testing?
[12:48] <Chipzz> I'm wondering... how often are the ubuntu archives updated? Does ubuntu work in the same way as debian (daily dinsall runs)?
[12:48] <Chipzz> dinstall even
[12:49] <Chipzz> deadline: how would that be an UPgrade?
[12:51] <deadline> Chipzz: ok maybe a downgrade then, but is it possible or not?
[12:52] <Chipzz> in theory I guess... but do you want to downgrade your packages to the debian testing verions too?
[12:52] <deadline> yes
[12:53] <Chipzz> that's not possible, no
[12:53] <Chipzz> unless you want to put a lot of manual effort in it
[12:54] <deadline> Chipzz: ok thanks
[12:55] <Chipzz> deadline: apt will by default only install newer packages, and since the packages in debian testing are all older, it wont downgrade anything
[12:55] <njs12345> hmm
[12:55] <deadline> ok
[12:56] <deadline> what about a apt-get dist-upgrade after replacing the apt-sources with the testing ones?
[12:58] <ompaulAFK> deadline to try to understand what you are doing why not do apt-cache dump and try to undstand the complexity of the task you are asking of apt
[12:58] <ompaulAFK> understand even
[12:59] <ompaulAFK> you want all that stuff to move seamlessly, if you want to write such a program go ahead :)
[01:00] <deadline> heh ok
[01:01] <ompaul> deadline, and be aware that you need to identify all the packages on the target machine - so you need to traverse the existing tree of installed matterials hmm
[01:02] <deadline> lol
[01:02] <scognito_> hi all
[01:02] <ompaul> hi one :)
[01:03] <deadline> im just asking for a friend of mine. i use debian testing myself, thats why i ask...
[01:03] <cavediver> ompaul: can you pls do a apt-get update and an apt-search openoffice.org2-core ?
[01:03] <scognito_> which apt sources do you use for mono?
[01:03] <scognito_> i got:
[01:03] <cavediver> It doesn't seem to exist for me
[01:03] <scognito_> Err http://www.getsweaaa.com ./ Packages
[01:03] <scognito_>   500 Internal Server Error
[01:04] <ompaulAFK> scognito_, afk means away from keyboard :) and the hoary box is 3.5 miles away from me
[01:04] <deadline> whats the latest ubuntu kernel image available via apt-get? linux-image-2.6.8-5-386 ? and will installing the latest image + headers be enough for a kernel upgrade?
[01:05] <scognito_> ompaulAFK, ???
[01:10] <DeadZed> When will Hoary stable be released
[01:11] <selinium_> DeadZed: april
[01:11] <psy__> DeadZed: somewhere in april.
[01:11] <DeadZed> nice
[01:11] <DeadZed> its sooo buggy right now
[01:12] <DeadZed> well , its ok, but ... some things dont work
[01:12] <DeadZed> I discover new bugs every day
[01:12] <psy__> do you report them?
[01:13] <DeadZed> cant be bothered
[01:13] <DeadZed> I'll check into it
[01:13] <selinium_> Would anyone know how to connect a palm device?
[01:14] <psy__> selinium_: with a plug?
[01:14] <DeadZed> selinium_ hotplug recognised my mp3 player nicely
[01:15] <DeadZed> so should it rocognise a palm
[01:15] <selinium_> psy__ :) It would be funny if i hadn't spent 2 hours already!
[01:15] <DeadZed> selinium_ maybe its some specific devices that hotplug recognises
[01:15] <DeadZed> ??
[01:15] <DeadZed> maybe theres some list
[01:15] <psy__> selinium_: sorry
[01:16] <tp__> I've added an extra user as an admin user and also added them specficailly in sudoers. I can access 'sudo synaptic' but synaptic from the menu (and other admin tools) won't work - ie don't appear
[01:17] <selinium_> DeadZed: THere is gnome-pilot that is supposed to do it for you. I have checked my usb and it is definately connecting. Just not as far as transfering data
[01:17] <selinium_> psy__ no worrries!
[01:18] <psy__> selinium_ :)
[01:19] <DeadZed> selinium_ if it shows up under devices then you must be on the right path
[01:20] <DeadZed> is there a command to identify ALL devices .. like similar to  lspci
[01:21] <DeadZed> does it take forever to open terminal for everyone?? In Slack it fires up INSTANTLY , but in ubuntu it just takes forever
[01:22] <DeadZed> :(
[01:22] <apokryphos> Practically instant for me, though I use konsole.
[01:23] <DeadZed> should I get konsole instead of that standard one
[01:23] <apokryphos> It probably won't faster if you're using Gnome.
[01:23] <DeadZed> k
[01:26] <DeadZed> apokryphos are you using kde? is it ok in ubuntu?
[01:26] <apokryphos> Pretty sweet, yes.
[01:26] <DeadZed> how long does it take to install it with adsl
[01:27] <apokryphos> not long at all; you can get it from the repositories
[01:29] <neofeed> has Tuxracer always been that tough?
[01:29] <neofeed> I can't get past the 3rd lap. As I can not get beyon 32seconds evevn if I go full speed straight all the time.
[01:29] <neofeed> and 30 sec is required
[01:29] <johnnybezak> neofeed: yeah its pretty hard
[01:30] <johnnybezak> neofeed: i tried pressing left right constantly that seemed to help
[01:30] <neofeed> how is that going to help?
[01:32] <selinium_> DeadZed: it shows under devices... But stillno joy!
[01:33] <DeadZed> selinium_ maybe you must mount it manually
[01:34] <selinium_> DeadZed: Possibly i will look into it!
[01:36] <Echylo> why does k3b always gives an error 'error decoding audio tracks and fails burning?
[01:38] <thoreauputic> straight audio from a CD or mp3 audio?
[01:38] <Echylo> mp3 audio
[01:38] <thoreauputic> Echylo: you have mp3 support installed?
[01:38] <Echylo> hmm
[01:38] <Echylo> don't know
[01:38] <thoreauputic> uMkulu: restricted
[01:39] <Echylo> how to check & how to install ? :$
[01:39] <cvxb> hey google  www.otomotivshow.com  :)
[01:39] <thoreauputic> bot is off apparently
[01:39] <DeadZed> Echylo error messange mean that it cant decode for some reason
[01:39] <thoreauputic> Echylo: hang on
[01:39] <Chipzz> any vim users in here?
[01:40] <thoreauputic> Echylo: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:40] <Echylo> thanks mate
[01:40] <thoreauputic> uMkulu: keywords
[01:40] <thoreauputic> where are you. uMkulu ?
[01:41] <johnnybezak> i'm just looking at the ubuntu group on audioscrobbler (the songs you listen to are sent to their server and they do stats etc.) This weeks top band of ubuntu listeners is Radiohead and the no. 1 track is greenday american idiot :)
[01:41] <thoreauputic> hmm /msg umKulu works, but the bot won't talk in the channel....
[01:42] <thoreauputic> uMkulu, what is guide
[01:43] <johnnybezak> does anyone know of a text based msn client?
[01:43] <thoreauputic> stupid bot, uMkulu
[01:46] <deadline> how comes xfce isnt available in the ubuntu apt-sources? do i have to change the sources?
[01:47] <thoreauputic> deadline: it's in universe
[01:48] <neofeed> DeadZed, weell I just passed the 3rd lap. After that TuxRacer ends ;)
[01:48] <deadline> thoreauputic: thanks
[01:48] <neofeed> (you won the cup - and there is no new cup to enter in )
[01:53] <thoreauputic> testing bot, please disregard the next line
[01:53] <thoreauputic> what is keywords
[01:53] <thoreauputic> uMkulu, keywords
[01:53] <thoreauputic> grrrr
[01:53] <jdub> thoreauputic: would prefer not to have bots in here thanks
[01:54] <thoreauputic> jdub: not my bot, and it was useful for anawers to standard questions
[01:54] <thoreauputic> jdub: I don't see the objection to that
[01:55] <thoreauputic> jdub: perhaps you could point out why?
[01:56] <njan> thoreauputic, as long as it doesn't wind up like #debian in here.. it has to be said, use of a bot to answer a question tends to be accompanie dby incredibly rude and arrogant behaviour.
[01:57] <thoreauputic> njan: well, so far the uMkulu bot just directs people to URLs and such
[01:58] <njan> thoreauputic, please, please don't let it get like debian. The ubuntu/#ubuntu community is one of the biggest advantages ubuntu has over plain debian :)
[01:58] <thoreauputic> restricted formats, howtos, that kind of thing
[01:59] <njan> so no !tellthispersonwhyhismisguidedassumptionmakeshimabadperson ?
[01:59] <thoreauputic> njan: I agree with you  - but wouldn't you say it's easier to type a keyword than constantly typing long URLs?
[01:59] <njan> thoreauputic, totally :)
[01:59] <njan> thoreauputic, the reason I mention it is, I get in lots of .. debates .. :p .. in #debian and with others in the debian community about this ;)
[02:00] <thoreauputic> njan: well, try /msg uMkulu keywords and see if there's anything objectionable there
[02:00] <njan> especially when the issue is something contentious and picky, like use of the word 'stable' (the english language usage vs. the debian usage)
[02:00] <njan> thoreauputic, I take your word for it; like I said I was just raising the issue because I think it's important :)
[02:00] <selinium_> Hi thoreauputic!
[02:00] <thoreauputic> hi selinium_
[02:01] <njan> thoreauputic, hmm.. I take that back
 australia
 well, australia is the place to be!
[02:01] <njan> very objectionable :p
[02:01] <thoreauputic> njan: I totally agree that #ubuntu should never become like #debian
[02:01] <selinium_> thoreauputic: I am still trying to get my palm device to work... AAAAARRGH!
[02:01] <thoreauputic> njan: hehe - well just do "forget australia" ;)
[02:01] <daniels> for what it's worth, I made the bot +q
 forget australia
 njan: I forgot australia
[02:02] <njan> always good :)
[02:02] <daniels> i personally belivee that bots don't have a plce in here
[02:02] <thoreauputic> daniels: reasoning?
[02:02] <daniels> if you need to tell people stuff, then tell them stuff
[02:02] <spiral> any idea of when we will have ooo2 beta in hoary ?
[02:02] <daniels> if you need to write long extended texts, write the on the wiki
[02:02] <johnnybezak> what if the bots one day revolt and take the channel over metropolis style?
[02:02] <daniels> if you need to write random weird stuff like !drink or whatever, do it in /msg
[02:02] <thoreauputic> daniels: umm... is this a community or do your views get precedence?
[02:02] <daniels> spiral: it's, er, already there
[02:02] <daniels> thoreauputic: it's a community, sure
[02:03] <bob2> I certainly agree with daniels
[02:03] <bob2> pointless bots are pointless
[02:03] <bob2> (fwiw)
[02:03] <spiral> daniels: hmmm... I was not speaking about release m74, but about beta version...
[02:03] <spiral> daniels: is it really in hoary ?
[02:04] <thoreauputic> bob2: agreed with the pontless aspect - but is it pointless to have keywords for common questions?
[02:04] <bob2> thoreauputic: having the bot at all encourages abuse
[02:04] <johnnybezak> thoreauputic: it might take some of the love out of the channel
[02:04] <johnnybezak> its nice being a newb and having some one help you out
[02:04] <johnnybezak> its the open source community love
[02:04] <daniels> spiral: ooo2 is in hoary, yes
[02:04] <apokryphos> Bots are good for recalling links and the like; they shouldn't be overused, and they shouldn't be getting in the way.
[02:04] <bob2> erk
[02:05] <sleon|tuX> heelp
[02:05] <apokryphos> To test your bot you really should be in another channel
[02:05] <thoreauputic> *shrug*  a link is a link
[02:05] <sleon|tuX> heeelp :D
[02:05] <bob2> and people don't read the FAQ, anyway
[02:05] <bob2> sleon|tuX: you need to actually ask a question
[02:05] <spiral> daniels: the beta2, really, not just the testing 74 release ?
[02:05] <johnnybezak> hehe we could just get a bot to say RTFFAQ! :P
[02:06] <spiral> daniels: so what is the name of the package in this case ?
[02:06] <njan> johnnybezak, then this would be #debian :p
[02:06] <spiral> daniels: I just found the testing 74 release
[02:06] <johnnybezak> njan: yeah im just jokin
[02:06] <njan> johnnybezak, likewise ;)
[02:06] <thoreauputic> OK - doesn't bother me, and I didn't bring the bot anyway - I just found it useful to answer repeated questions that pop up all the time
[02:06] <sleon|tuX> the problem is
[02:07] <sleon|tuX> when i insert cd's they are not shown on the desktop anymore
[02:07] <sleon|tuX> and then i insert audio cd's they are not played automatically anymore
[02:07] <daniels> spiral: ah, I don't know.  if it's just testing 74 or whatever, then it hasn't been updated yet
[02:07] <sleon|tuX> and now hald damon is runnins anymore
[02:07] <sleon|tuX> only dubs
[02:07] <sleon|tuX> why ?
[02:07] <sleon|tuX> and how to fix that?
[02:07] <njan> for my 2c, a bot's useful for recalling URLs and non-contentious factoids. But anything explanatory needs to be done by people or, like someone pointed out, is too lengthy to be pasted into IRC. I thoroughly dislike how bots are used in #debian.
[02:07] <spiral> daniels: all right, so I hope it will be updated :-)
[02:07] <apokryphos> I disagree that bots *shouldn't* be here. That is a little too extreme; it's pointless searching for the same link, or venturing into my bookmarks when a command can give the link to the person in question faster, and with less effort from my side.
[02:07] <pchiller> the RestrictedFormats wiki page mentions LAME but does not mention that it is only found in multiverse
[02:08] <njan> And in fact, factoids are better explained by people in any case.
[02:08] <njan> apokryphos, agreed - a lot of the time, people in here know the link is 'on the forums', but don't know where
[02:08] <apokryphos> njan: that's obviously not necessarily true. But anyhow, the "facts" explained on a wiki or done by a person, are they not?
[02:08] <apokryphos> *are done
[02:08] <bob2> njan: they're used in that like #debian because (among other reasons) people absolutely REFUSE to read the faq
[02:09] <njan> apokryphos, what's not necessarily true?
[02:09] <bob2> njan: which is in the /topic, and /notice'd to them on-join
[02:09] <help-me> greetings
[02:09] <njan> bob2, True, but like I pointed out to thoreauputic, a lot of bot use in debian is accompanied by arrogance and rudeness on the part of the user.
[02:09] <sleon|tuX> bob2, and? any suggestions from super ubuntuian?
[02:09] <apokryphos> njan: that factoids are better explained by people. Though, you'd probably have to expand on what you mean by that if we were to get technical ;-)
[02:09] <njan> bob2, I've been botted plenty of times in debian by people who obviously hadn't even bothered reading my question.
[02:09] <njan> bob2, and in a lot of instances people use the bots as weapons to bludgeon other people with, ideologically.
[02:09] <bob2> sleon|tuX: are you using hoary?
[02:10] <sleon|tuX> bob2, how to see it?
[02:10] <help-me> i have a divx file .avi but when i open it all i get is the sound on totem player
[02:10] <bob2> sleon|tuX: you don't know what version of Ubuntu you're using?
[02:10] <help-me> anyone can help me?
[02:10] <njan> apokryphos, I'm thinking about simple, one-line question answers, such as the reply to 'does ubuntu have the nvidia driver? Where can I get it?'
[02:10] <apokryphos> There shouldn't be bots responding to things without a command from another member
[02:10] <sleon|tuX> bob2, warty
[02:10] <bob2> help-me: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[02:10] <bob2> for instance, help-me obviously hasn't read the faq
[02:10] <bob2> or googled
[02:10] <thoreauputic> njan: OK, well i guess I'll have to make me a list of keywords and use those instead
[02:10] <njan> apokryphos, which is easy to respond to with 'no, go look at this link which shows you how to get it'
[02:10] <bob2> to pull someone out at random
[02:10] <sleon|tuX> bob2, deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted universe multiverse
[02:10] <sleon|tuX> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted universe
[02:10] <help-me> i did
[02:10] <johnnybezak> bob2: but thats part of the linux learning process
[02:11] <help-me> i even read the unofficial site
[02:11] <apokryphos> njan: agreed
[02:11] <sleon|tuX> bob2, any suggestions??
[02:11] <help-me> and done what they said
[02:11] <help-me> but still i can't get it to work
[02:11] <njan> bob2, it depends how you want your community to work. No-one ever reads all available documentation, so if you want to get pedantic, you can always tell someone to RTF M/FAQ/Documentation
[02:11] <bob2> sleon|tuX: does restarted hal work?
[02:11] <bob2> sleon|tuX: or dbus?
[02:11] <sleon|tuX> bob2, nope
[02:11] <sleon|tuX> bob2, i did
[02:11] <sleon|tuX>  /etc/init.d/dbus-1 restart
[02:11] <sleon|tuX> there is now hald is running
[02:11] <sleon|tuX> after it
[02:11] <sleon|tuX> and also inserting media causes no reaction
[02:12] <njan> bob2, there are lots of instances of people obviously not putting *any* effort into reading the FAQ, but in my experience with online communities, the best way to get people like that to advance their learning is to actually talk to them rather than flaming them and making them feel unwelcome in a community they're probably only just coming to understand and have only just discovered.
[02:12] <njes> is it someone who know how too install D-link DWL-610
[02:12] <njan> bob2, discounting repeat offenders, that is :)
[02:12] <bob2> help-me: you read the page I gave you?
[02:12] <bob2> sleon|tuX: "tail -f /var/log/messages" and try putting it in again...does it print anything?
[02:13] <apokryphos> help-me: you most probably haven't installed all of the codecs required
[02:13] <njan> bob2, ftr, I've never managed a commmunity *quite* this big, so a lot of this is speculative, but I have extensive experience with smaller (10 - 100 users) IRC channels/communities
[02:13] <bob2> njan: sure, I agree about that
[02:13] <bob2> njan: right, most of my experience is from #debian
[02:13] <thoreauputic> I don't realy disagree with any of the points raised -  I just want to avoid looking for stuff people need to know, so i guess it's up to me to make my own shortcuts
[02:13] <help-me> yes i have read it bob2
[02:14] <sleon|tuX> bob2, moment
[02:14] <bob2> njan: helping people on a case-by-case is nice for them, but hugely inefficient
[02:14] <njan> bob2, yes, I appreciate that ;)
[02:14] <lukesk> anyone know what this means: hde: max request size: 128KiB
[02:14] <lukesk> hde: 234441648 sectors (120034 MB) w/8192KiB Cache, CHS=16383/255/63, BUG
[02:14] <lukesk> hde: cache flushes not supported
[02:14] <lukesk>  hde:hde: recal_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
[02:14] <lukesk> hde: recal_intr: error=0x04 { DriveStatusError }
[02:14] <lukesk> ide: failed opcode was: unknown
[02:14] <lukesk>  hde1
[02:14] <help-me> gstreamer0.8-plugins is already the newest version.
[02:14] <bob2> lukesk: please don't paste stuff in here
[02:14] <lukesk> sorry
[02:14] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: By all means, please do. It should be obvious when a bot moves from "being helpful" to "getting in the way".
[02:14] <bob2> help-me: no, you need to install totem-xine or gxine
[02:14] <help-me> w32codecs is already the newest version.
[02:15] <help-me> hummm
[02:15] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: indeed
[02:15] <help-me> i see
[02:15] <njan> bob2, but what debian doesn't always manage is automating those cases in a human way - I have to question the motives of a lot of people who have unpleasant replies to commonly asked questions - channels on freenode inevitably attract newcomers. IRC channels are designed for newcomers. If you're not prepared to deal with the inevitable breed of people who don't read before they leap, why bother expending your effort to answer questions in the first place?
[02:15] <help-me> is there any commands that i can write in a terminal to get it
[02:15] <help-me> or maybe synaptics package?
[02:15] <njan> bob2, not a personal attack on you, but I take considerable exception with people who bother to help.. but do so in a less-than-helpful way :)
[02:15] <apokryphos> speaking of bots ;-)
[02:15] <bob2> help-me: read the page I gave you again
[02:15] <sleon|tuX> bob2, i become that: root@marjan:/etc/dbus-1/event.d # Mar  6 14:15:38 localhost kernel: udf: registering filesystem
[02:15] <sleon|tuX> Mar  6 14:15:38 localhost kernel: UDF-fs: No VRS found
[02:16] <sleon|tuX> bob2, only after i MANUALLY MOUNTED IT AS ROOT
[02:16] <bob2> please don't use caps
[02:16] <sleon|tuX> bob2, before it i have had not messages in /var/log/messages
[02:16] <bob2> it's the IRC equivalent of screaming
[02:16] <sleon|tuX> bob2, sorry
[02:16] <Echylo> lol
[02:16] <bob2> njan: right
[02:16] <sleon|tuX> bob2, i wanted only to make it bold
[02:16] <Echylo> ctrl + b
[02:16] <Echylo> bold
[02:16] <sleon|tuX> bob2, so you not overread it
[02:16] <sleon|tuX> Echylo, thx
[02:17] <Echylo> manually mounted it as root
[02:17] <bob2> njan: otoh, people who spend stupid amounts of time helping people in there get worn down by person after person who doesn't read the FAQ and confuses brevity with abuse
[02:17] <zenwhen> this works for bold
[02:17] <bob2> sleon|tuX: no, you do not need to do that, ever
[02:17] <njan> sleon|tuX, *text* is what I usually use to denote bold. /text/ italicising. Most office suites understand that syntax, and it looks quite obvious..
[02:17] <help-me> bob2,  i'm downloading them over synaptic package manager
[02:17] <bob2> help-me: cool
[02:17] <sleon|tuX> bob2, so any suggestions?
[02:17] <help-me> let's see if that works
[02:17] <help-me> cheers
[02:17] <bob2> sleon|tuX: what kernel is it?
[02:17] <daniels> (as an aside, people who are going to overlook stuff will overlook it anyway, and bold/caps/whatever will just make them more determined to do so.  people who aren't going to, won't.)
[02:18] <njan> bob2, Yup. I work in IT, I understand that :).. it varies from case to case. There's a lot of arrogance that goes along with it in certain intsances as well - especially where ideological bludgeoning is involved (the example I used earlier was the usage of the word 'stable')
[02:18] <sleon|tuX> bob2, root@marjan:/etc/dbus-1/event.d # uname -a
[02:18] <bob2> exactly
[02:18] <sleon|tuX> Linux marjan 2.6.8.1-4-k7 #1 Fri Jan 14 11:40:53 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[02:18] <sleon|tuX> bob2, what should have been activated in kernel that it work??
[02:18] <bob2> sleon|tuX: I don't know, sorry
[02:18] <bob2> try asking on the list
[02:19] <sleon|tuX> ok thx
[02:19] <zenwhen> hey bob2, do you run hoary?
[02:19] <bob2> njan: well, the stable thing is in the faq, too ;)
[02:19] <Echylo> damn
[02:19] <Echylo> gaim crashed
[02:19] <bob2> njan: and people usually only get rude on that topic when someone comes in with a stupid comment like "OMG WOODY HAS APACHE 1.2.9??? HOW OLD"
[02:19] <bob2> but I do see your point
[02:19] <bob2> and do agree the ubuntu community is a big advantage
[02:20] <sleon|tuX> :(
[02:20] <johnnybezak> ubuntu community *makes* ubuntu
[02:20] <njan> bob2, True, but being in the FAQ doesn't give someone the right to alter the definition of a word in the english language. I've used the word 'stable' in the english language context in more than one instance in #debian where there's been a response from a community member who obviously hadn't read what I'd written and bludgeoned me because they misunderstood what they did read because they assumed something about my usage of the word :)
[02:20] <bob2> but I'd hate to see it turn into a lazy community where people expect they can just bother other people for help without reading the FAQ or whatever
[02:20] <Echylo> if some people would check www.ubuntuguide.org
[02:20] <njan> johnnybezak, bob2, definitely. The ubuntu community rocks.
[02:20] <Echylo> it's a great place
[02:20] <njan> bob2, Also agreed. The balance is a hard one to find :)
[02:20] <Echylo> and you find the most common problems there
[02:20] <njan> because .. because .. because.. I need a thesaurus..
[02:21] <bob2> njan: #debian has the problem of being under constant assault from clueless people who get abusive when told to read documentation
[02:21] <wheelbarr> im i in the right channel for help with ubuntu hoary ?
[02:21] <bob2> so most of the regulars are bitter and annoyed
[02:21] <bob2> zenwhen: yes
[02:21] <bob2> which is a shame, since probably the most active 10 people in there do 90%+ of the support
[02:21] <njan> bob2, #debian needs to lease the alt.gothic special forces ;)
[02:21] <zenwhen> does the current pango seem a bit slow to anyone?
[02:21] <thoreauputic> wheelbarr: yes
[02:21] <sleon|tuX> how does dbus-1 on top of hal works?
[02:21] <daniels> wheelbarr: yeah
[02:21] <sleon|tuX> does does it need to automatically mount media?
[02:21] <sleon|tuX> what does it *
[02:21] <wheelbarr> just ask away ?
[02:22] <daniels> sleon|tuX: er, no -- hal runs on top of dbus-1 (it's a service that listens on dbus for events)
[02:22] <johnnybezak> sleon|tuX: you don't want to know hehe
[02:22] <daniels> wheelbarr: you got it
[02:22] <sleon|tuX> :)
[02:22] <bob2> daniels: sleeeeeeeeeep
[02:22] <njan> bob2, indeed. It has to be noted, though, debian has one of the best communities of all the distros. Many smaller distros have channels that don't even have anyone alive in them.. imo, only gentoo matched debian before ubuntu came along
[02:22] <wheelbarr> I'm trying to boot from the hoary live CD on a toshiba 2210CDT and all I get is the mouse, works fine, but nothing else. Checked the web site and the 2210CDT is said to work fine. Is this the right channel for this
[02:22] <wheelbarr> ?
[02:22] <help-me> hey bob2 what were the software you said i needed ? i forgotto write it down
[02:22] <help-me> :)
[02:22] <daniels> sleon|tuX: err ... hal runs on top of dbus-1, and sends events out saying 'hey, someone threw a usb thumbdrive in', and then gnome-volume-manager or similar does the actual mounting
[02:22] <bob2> njan: hm, I found the gentoo irc channel to be terribile
[02:22] <njan> bob2, I've used debian for a fairly long time (a really long time, thinking about it), and that's mostly why
[02:22] <njan> bob2, howcome? (Interested)
[02:22] <bob2> njan: the clueless leading the clueless in a lot of cases
[02:22] <johnnybezak> wheelbarr: yeah the right place hehe
[02:23] <sleon|tuX> daniels, then the problem is that hal isn't running
[02:23] <sleon|tuX> at all
[02:23] <thoreauputic> njan: #debian is OK for the thick skinned or those who lurk for a while before asking ;-)
[02:23] <daniels> wheelbarr: what do you mean 'but nothing else'?  is the screen dead?  keyboard?
[02:23] <help-me> gxine?
[02:23] <daniels> sleon|tuX: have you looked at the output of ps auxww?
[02:23] <njan> bob2, that's started happening a lot more recently, but you're right; that's the disadvantage of having a 'trendy' distribution.
[02:23] <help-me> and what else?
[02:23] <wheelbarr> comes up with the splash screen to load stuff then goes blank with only the mouse working
[02:23] <sleon|tuX> daniels, moment
[02:23] <daniels> sleon|tuX: there are some bugs in g-v-m and hal lately with this osrt of thing
[02:23] <njan> bob2, if you get the right people, there are a lot of knowledgable people in there, esp. if you have a query which is well explained; the clueless tend to shy away from properly worded technical queries.
[02:23] <bob2> njan: which is something that hits ubuntu, too, but I'm not really sure what to do about. e
[02:24] <njan> bob2, careful monitoring and supervision :)
[02:24] <sleon|tuX> root@marjan:/home/marjan/Desktop # ps auxww|grep hald
[02:24] <sleon|tuX> root      5592  0.0  0.2  3348  732 pts/1    S+   14:24   0:00 grep hald
[02:24] <sleon|tuX> dand,
[02:24] <wheelbarr> CDrom keeps buzzing away
[02:24] <sleon|tuX> daniels,
[02:24] <bob2> njan: except to have a good quality library of documentation that people are encouraged to read
[02:24] <sleon|tuX> daniels, no it is not running but the dbus does
[02:24] <sleon|tuX> and hald is installed
[02:24] <njan> bob2, unless you want to start +ving competant community members to denote expertise, the only thing you can do is watch and ensure.
[02:24] <bob2> njan: the #ubuntu group of clueful regulars isn't quite big enough yet, afaict
[02:24] <njan> bob2, It's getting there.. it's bigger than when I started using ubuntu, ~2 months ago..
[02:24] <daniels> sleon|tuX: ok, then hal is broken.  cool.
[02:25] <sleon|tuX> cooool
[02:25] <daniels> but I need to sleep now
[02:25] <sleon|tuX> :)
[02:25] <sleon|tuX> daniels, but , the gnome-volume-manager
[02:25] <sleon|tuX> should is also be running?
[02:25] <bob2> njan: yeah
[02:25] <njan> bob2, unfortunately, I think freenode are fairly anti-large numbers of +o and +v in channels..
[02:25] <sleon|tuX> ii see it is
[02:25] <bob2> njan: I don't think that really helps, since it centralises it too much
[02:26] <njan> bob2, I know they were when I ran an active channel on here, but then, freenode didn't really like the channel
[02:26] <sleon|tuX> gnome-volume-manager exits when hal is not running
[02:26] <sleon|tuX> ok
[02:26] <sleon|tuX> so i need to start the freakin hal manually
[02:26] <sleon|tuX> then gnome-volume-manager
[02:26] <njan> bob2, possibly not a bad thing; communities need a focal point :)
[02:26] <sleon|tuX> lets see if it will work
[02:26] <bob2> njan: I'm pretyy convinced having a lot of good quality written docs are a solution...people can get pointed at them, and the clueful will read them and become more clueful (and helpful)
[02:26] <bob2> njan: hah, perhaps
[02:27] <johnnybezak> bob2: i agree docs are the key
[02:27] <njan> bob2, definitely. Documentation is a big plus point, but you can have the best docs in the world and still have a nasty IRC channel if you're not careful :)
[02:27] <bob2> hah, indeed
[02:27] <njan> bob2, tbh, msdn.microsoft.com has some cracking documentation, but #windows is dead as a doornail.
[02:27] <njan> bob2, there are no good windows or microsoft-related IRC channels which I've ever managed to find, ever. There are some great mailing lists, but that's just not the same.
[02:27] <nasdaq> but windows is all we will ever need
[02:28] <bob2> njan: heh, yeah, windows seems to be lacking a irc support culture...Ithink part of it is the huge schism between "developes" and "users"
[02:28] <factotum> buenos tardes
[02:28] <factotum> lol
[02:28] <wheelbarr> The Warty Warthog worked fine, just had to change the screen res at boot. It did ask if I wanted to creat a swap file which I did, but hoary doesnt prompt me to make a swap file. Checked the help and couldnt find anything on that.
[02:28] <factotum> anyone try to apt-get gftp and run into a dep problem?
[02:28] <njan> bob2, possibly - at a high level though, there's actually quite a good commmunity of *proper* windows administrators, people who've actually bothered to learn the technology they're using before getting their MSCE
[02:29] <zenwhen> bob2, your abrasive nature was what originally prompted me to start looking elsewhere for help. I suppose the fact that I felt i was goig to be "flamed" each time I asked for help pushed me to find written documentation.
[02:29] <njan> bob2, as far as desktop users are concerned, you're spot on; but in the SME/Enterprise/Corporate marketplace, there are a lot of really clever people who really know MS technology.
[02:29] <bob2> zenwhen: I'm sorry I came across like that.
[02:29] <bob2> njan: hm, right
[02:29] <Welly> Hi all, I've built a panel applet, mail notification, and it's been build and all that, however I'm unsure how to add it to the panel
[02:29] <njan> bob2, http://www.activedir.org/ <= that mailing list in particular is a good starting point if you're interested in knowing your enemy ;)
[02:29] <bob2> I have basically no experience with that side of things.
[02:30] <njan> bob2, I do ;)
[02:30] <thoreauputic> zenwhen: heh, bob2 isn't abrasive: try lurking in #debian for a while and see what I mean ;-)
[02:30] <njan> bob2, I work with a *lot* of MS technology in my day job.. and all from ubuntu :p
[02:30] <factotum> #debian can be a nightmare
[02:30] <thoreauputic> indeed
[02:30] <zenwhen> Hoary is really frigging choppy for me right now. Upgrading to hoary has made my 3Ghz P4 system with a GB of ram feel like a 486 chugginging along.
[02:30] <factotum> its hard to hear when their up on their high-horse  :)
[02:31] <njan> zenwhen, yup. I moved from hoary => warty partly for that reason
[02:31] <zenwhen> thoreauputic, I dont go into #debian. Those people need to get laid. BADLY. They are bitter about everything.
[02:31] <njan> zenrox, and I'm a 2.2GHz p4 with 1.3gb ram
[02:31] <njan> s/zenrox/zenwhen/
[02:31] <wheelbarr> so hoary is memory hungry ?>
[02:31] <johnnybezak> it's not possible to run 2 apache servers (for the web) on the same ip is it?
[02:31] <zenwhen> I like all the new stuff in hoary
[02:31] <zenwhen> but pango seems really slow
[02:31] <thoreauputic> I used to be something of a regular in #debian, but I got really tired of the sophomoric arrogance of many in there...
[02:31] <njan> wheelbarr, no clue. But 'choppy' is a good description of it at times :)
[02:32] <njan> thoreauputic, sophomoric in what sense?
[02:32] <zenwhen> things just render slowly
[02:32] <zenwhen> firefox scrolls choppily.
[02:32] <arun--> /usr/sbin/synaptic: relocation error: /usr/sbin/synaptic: undefined symbol: _ZN10pkgAcquire3RunEi    what does this mean?
[02:32] <factotum> yeah, lurking and just saying rtfm or google doesnt help anyone
[02:32] <bob2> hm, the last time zenwhen was in #debian was two months ago, and he/she got no answer, really
[02:32] <thoreauputic> njan: people who imagine they are expert, and have ego problems - maybe sophomoric is the wrong term
[02:32] <wheelbarr> is there a menu option at boot up to creat a swap file or can it be done manually ?
[02:32] <bob2> arun--: most likely that you compiled something from source
[02:33] <johnnybezak> wheelbarr: there is a good how to for this on the front page of linux.com atm
[02:33] <njan> thoreauputic, sophistic would be a good descriptor, I thought you might have been aiming for that, which is why I asked :)
[02:33] <arun--> bob2: it is a fresh install :) from array 4 cd i guess
[02:33] <njan> thoreauputic, sophistic as in sophism..
[02:33] <factotum> wheelbarr: it can be done manualy, at least with ext3, but im not sure how
[02:33] <zenwhen> bob2, oh sure.. i did get an answer. But i was speaking of the general attitude in there.
[02:33] <arun--> bob2: i havent compiled anything, i havent installed gcc
[02:33] <wheelbarr> johnnybezak: thanks ill check it out
[02:33] <bob2> arun--: that's very odd then
[02:33] <johnnybezak> wheelbarr: np
[02:33] <thoreauputic> njan: in the sense pretentious; inflated in style or manner; as,   sophomoric affectation. [U. S.] 
[02:34] <nasdaq> what do you mean zenwhen?
[02:34] <wheelbarr> factotum: warty gave you the option at boot time to add swap
[02:34] <zenwhen> Helpful or not, stuck up arrogant people suck.
[02:34] <wheelbarr> thought hoary would also
[02:34] <thoreauputic> njan: from 'dict"
[02:34] <nasdaq> you mean many people in here is not helpfull?
[02:34] <factotum> wheelbarr: it doesn't?
[02:34] <njan> thoreauputic, it's a word I've never seen used before, but I'm guessing it has roots in the US school system, so I'm not surprised ;)
[02:34] <factotum> wow
[02:34] <wheelbarr> factotum: couldnt find it
[02:34] <arun--> ok i will try to reinstall again
[02:34] <factotum> hmmm thats...wierd
[02:34] <njan> thoreauputic, sophistic has a similar meaning but is about 1500 years older :-D
[02:35] <zenwhen> no no, #debian is helpful if oyu cna get past the people tripping over eachother to be the first to be rude to you.
[02:35] <zenwhen> thats all i have to say about it
[02:35] <Welly> I've found this channel to be the most useful irc channel I've found.. every other channel i've used just seems to be an outlet for people to feel superior to everyone else
[02:35] <Tycho_Atreides> hey, i dont know crap about linux and have a dilemma, can you guys help me out?
[02:35] <njan> zenwhen, I take your point, but they aren't all like that.
[02:35] <thoreauputic> njan: here we might say "undergraduate" (which in itself is kind of a sophomoric term)
[02:35] <njan> Tycho_Atreides, ask away, someone'll help if they can :)
[02:35] <factotum> I always have fun in #slackware, but this channel is quite good as well
[02:35] <njan> thoreauputic, yeah.. I think I was aware that a sophmore vaguely compared to that in the UK..
[02:36] <njan> thoreauputic, the US school system just confuses me, though :p
[02:36] <Tycho_Atreides> im trying to install nvidia drivers, but it tells me "You appear to be running Xserver; please exit X before installing"
[02:36] <Tycho_Atreides> how do i exit X
[02:36] <Welly> i was asking for help on some SQL in #sql on efnet I think.. christ! properly up their own arse
[02:36] <factotum> njan: i think that is what it is there for, to confuse
[02:36] <wheelbarr> I find #bash is a channel that lives by its name
[02:36] <factotum> i wake up everyday and feel the national iq dropping
[02:36] <njan> Tycho_Atreides, switch to a console (Ctrl-Alt-F1), login, and sudo killall gdm and sudo killall X should do it
[02:36] <snowblink> Tycho_Atreides: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[02:37] <njan> factotum, lol
[02:37] <lukesk> how can i get some assitance with some ubuntu problems?
[02:37] <johnnybezak> ask here lukesk
[02:37] <factotum> im not saying im immune either, but when i start feeling it, i get worried
[02:37] <lukesk> i did.. but apparently i asked about it the wrong way
[02:37] <njan> lukesk, just ask your question
[02:37] <Tycho_Atreides> snowblink: thanks, worked :)
[02:38] <johnnybezak> lukesk: we just probably didn't know an answer hehe
[02:38] <sleon|tuX> daniels, the script /etc/dbus-1/event.d/hal is not working
[02:38] <wozischra> .
[02:38] <njan> bbiaf
[02:38] <wozischra_> .
[02:39] <sleon|tuX> daniels, when you do  /etc/dbus-1/event.d/hal start it says
[02:39] <sleon|tuX> * Starting Hardware abstraction layer...                                [ ok ] 
[02:39] <sleon|tuX> but no damon was tarted
[02:39] <lukesk> a friend help me setup 2 x 129GB hdd's on an IT8212 PCI card, it worked for a while, now the drives wont mount. How can i fix this?
[02:39] <factotum> must have tarted daemons!
[02:39] <johnnybezak> lol
[02:39] <factotum> heh
[02:40] <johnnybezak> lukesk: what error do you get?
[02:40] <nanomad> any1 knows if xawtv works with hoary/xorg ?
[02:40] <sleon|tuX> factotum, i know
[02:40] <sleon|tuX> factotum, i know
[02:40] <lukesk> well, error where? from the syslog or when i try mount them?
[02:40] <factotum> no biggie, just thought it was funny
[02:40] <wheelbarr> Im aware of how to make a swap partiton, but can it be done at boot time with the hoary live CD ?
[02:40] <sleon|tuX> factotum, but dbus fires up that script and this script says ok but does nothing
[02:40] <johnnybezak> lukesk: when you try and mount them
[02:40] <factotum> that is odd...
[02:41] <sleon|tuX> this lazy fagg :D
[02:41] <sleon|tuX> but i fix it manually
[02:41] <sleon|tuX> i write simply my own hal script
[02:41] <sleon|tuX> thats all
[02:41] <vince_> join #eiffel
[02:41] <lukesk> i get this "mount: /dev/hdg1 already mounted or /mnt/test/ busy"
[02:43] <johnnybezak> well im off to bed guys night
[02:43] <johnnybezak> lukesk: sorry i couldnt help
[02:43] <lukesk> lol, thats ok
[02:44] <lukesk> anyone else know how to troubleshoot drives that wont mount?
[02:47] <rattboi> hi
[02:47] <rattboi> I was wondering if anyone could help me w/ setting up the fglrx drivers?
[02:48] <rattboi> I'm running hoary, and I followed this guide to convert the ATI website RPM to a deb, and I installed it
[02:48] <rattboi> and running "lsmod | grep gl" shows that fglrx module is loaded
[02:49] <rattboi> but I still have no hw accel in 3d stuff
[02:51] <Lupius> How to record a CD in Ubuntu? I get some funky error in the console cdrecord , and im new to GNOME
[02:51] <cooldude127> i just setup ubuntu on my ibook ppc. how can i add the debian unstable ppc sources to my ubuntu? i need an updated version of ruby
[02:57] <tp__> does somone have a way to fix evolution imap.. I've been waiting 4 years for to refresh my folders
[02:57] <bretzel> Wow! KUbuntu is out for testing! Great news for KDE-only users!
[02:57] <tp__> after the third year I was starting to worry that I'd dropped a connection
[02:59] <Echylo> hey what about a channel for music scripts? :P
[02:59] <Echylo> #finemusic ?
[02:59] <Echylo> damn
[02:59] <thoreauputic> if only they'd found a name that didn't perpetuate the "K is for KDE" thing... :/
[02:59] <Echylo> I've been trying for 2 weeks to get a channel launche
[03:00] <Riddell> thoreauputic: I was overrules on the k thing
[03:00] <Riddell> thoreauputic: I was overruled on the k thing
[03:00] <Echylo> but no one joins
[03:01] <xinel> this printing prob of mine is driving me crazy :E
[03:01] <thoreauputic> Riddell: it also succeeds in trivialising the concept "ubuntu" - I think it's unfortunate
[03:01] <xinel> have a usb printer epson C45 and can't get it too work
[03:01] <thoreauputic> the idea itself is fine...
[03:02] <Riddell> thoreauputic: the name came from canonical, blame them :)
[03:02] <fluxy> Hello. Is Ubuntu Live Cd Modular?
[03:02] <thoreauputic> Riddell: OK - always nice to have a corporation to blame *grin*
[03:04] <thoreauputic> Riddell: at least it will silence the "Ubuntu is just a gnome fanboy distro"
[03:04] <thoreauputic> people
[03:04] <njan> thoreauputic, no it won't; there are always people like that :p
[03:05] <thoreauputic> njan: haha - how true :)
[03:05] <njan> thoreauputic, most of them attack gentoo, though ;)
[03:05] <fluxy>  Is the Ubuntu Live Cd Modular?
[03:07] <thoreauputic> fluxy: don't know - but the warty one seems to be based on morphix, so maybe it is
[03:08] <fluxy> thanks, I will try to ask the morphix folks then
[03:09] <thoreauputic> fluxy: morphix is probably what you want if you want modular
[03:13] <thierry> where, in the firefox source, can I add bookmarks?
[03:13] <hynix_mod> hello world
[03:13] <wezzer> ello
[03:14] <lunitik> fluxy: yes...
[03:14] <lunitik> fluxy: the hoary livecd is at least...
[03:15] <fluxy> lunitik: Do you know where I can get modules for Morphix and Links to faqs/docs in using/making modules? Thanks
[03:15] <cvxb> hey google  www.otomotivshow.com  :)
[03:16] <hynix_mod> hey can you tell me a place from where i can download frebsd 5.3. Ps:i want the connection to be as strong as posible, and fast to
[03:16] <hynix_mod> oh and i am from romania
[03:16] <thoreauputic> thierry: do you really mean in the source? The bookmarks are an html file in ~/.mozilla/firefox
[03:16] <hynix_mod> dambovita
[03:16] <hynix_mod> targoviste
[03:17] <jono> hi all
[03:17] <Funraiser> splinter cell is playable on linux with cedega!
[03:17] <jono> is hwdb-client working right for people?
[03:17] <dgr> Funraiser: CVS or binary?
[03:17] <thoreauputic> hynix_mod: ask in #freebsd ?
[03:17] <thierry> thoreauputic, no I mean like a source that I downloaded (it's for ubuntu bug 3176)
[03:18] <rattboi> hmm
[03:18] <rattboi> can anyone give me a tip
[03:18] <Funraiser> check this out http://transgaming.org/gamesdb/categories/view.mhtml?gametype=1
[03:18] <hynix_mod> what is cedega
[03:18] <hynix_mod> ???
[03:18] <hynix_mod> pls
[03:18] <AngryClip> cedega lets you play windows games
[03:18] <AngryClip> on linux
[03:18] <looksaus> a proprietary program
[03:18] <thoreauputic> hynix_mod: the commercial version of wine, I think
[03:19] <Funraiser> i didn't know u could play that many games on linux
[03:19] <rattboi> I got fglxr going, but it says in my xorg log that my kernel module version doesn't match driver
[03:19] <dgr> thoreauputic: you can also compile it yourself
[03:19] <thierry> yeah but it's not open source
[03:19] <Funraiser> that program must be somewhere on .torrent no?
[03:19] <AngryClip> probably
[03:19] <dgr> Funraiser: should be
[03:19] <looksaus> Funraiser, what are you suggesting?
[03:19] <Quest-Master> Funraiser: Practically anything has a torrent.. you just have to look for it
[03:20] <rattboi> lol
[03:20] <Quest-Master> looksaus: Warez. :P
[03:20] <Quest-Master> Particularly not a good thing to talk about in a Linux channel.
[03:20] <dgr> right
[03:20] <dgr> however, I think it's shit
[03:20] <dgr> well, at least the cvs version
[03:20] <thierry> how does grep works? anyone can give me an example?
[03:20] <Funraiser> what is shit?
[03:20] <rattboi> so nobody knows what I might need to do to get 3d accel working?
[03:20] <wezzer-> locate foo | grep foo
[03:21] <rattboi> I read the forums quite a bit, but I'm not really finding much for hoary
[03:21] <dgr> thierry: grep [regexp]  gives you only the lines that match your regexp
[03:21] <looksaus> ps ax|grep nameofprogram
[03:21] <wezzer-> umm, not so goof example
[03:21] <wezzer-> here is better one
[03:21] <Slackman> hey guys, if i want to upgrade just the kernel is it apt-get upgrade kernel?
[03:21] <wezzer-> apt-cache search gimp | grep gimp
[03:21] <dgr> ls ~ | grep porn << try this
[03:22] <looksaus> dgr, :)
[03:22] <dgr> ;)
[03:22] <Funraiser> i'm just saying many people stay on windows because of the games...which they didn't buy...
[03:22] <Funraiser> so they could do that too on linux
[03:22] <dgr> Funraiser: Let's assume they bought the games
[03:23] <thoreauputic> dgr: nah, to find that you do ls -al ~ | grep "accounts/.x/buried/here"
[03:23] <ogra> jono: its not done yet :)
[03:23] <jono> ogra, I can run the client but it seems to hang at the end, is this because there is no server to send data to ?
[03:23] <hynix_mod> You need to be identified to join that channel
[03:23] <Funraiser> What i'm saying is that there are no more REAL reasons to stay on windows.
[03:23] <hynix_mod> what is this
[03:23] <dgr> Funraiser: There are
[03:23] <hynix_mod> i want to enter #freebsd
[03:24] <looksaus> Funraiser, you mean for
[03:24] <looksaus> end users?
[03:24] <dgr> non-techies
[03:24] <dgr> they love windows
[03:24] <ogra> jono: this is becase there is not even a sending part yet ;) i'm just writing the assembling bit that glues the data together
[03:24] <dgr> and I can understand them, because it's easy to configure (and if something doesn't work, they just reinstall *g)
[03:24] <NetwrkMonkey> sigh
[03:25] <dgr> I have to admit that - when it comes to GUIs and stuff - I prefer windows
[03:25] <jono> ogra, ahha, is there a plan to merge this hardware database into future versions of Ubuntu to automate configuration? or will it *just* provide a web service?
[03:26] <rattboi> dgr, have you used OSX?
[03:26] <rattboi> I think that's the best interface
[03:26] <dgr> rattboi: I'm sorry; I'm a student and I don't have the money for a mac
[03:26] <ulas2> hwdb-gui should sent the databse to a repo right?
[03:26] <hynix_mod> hey guis can you help here pls
[03:26] <looksaus> rattboi, I like gnome better
[03:26] <ogra> jono, the information we recieve should flow ack into development....
[03:26] <ogra> back even
[03:26] <dgr> looksaus: yeah, but it's slower and uses more RAM than windows
[03:26] <looksaus> in fact, using Ubuntu in single boot on my iBook
[03:26] <Funraiser> plus, in europe, according to the 52th European convention, software can't NOT be subject to copyrights...yes...u are reading well, hard to swallow but true...but that's not a reason to steal somebody elses work, i'm just saying, currently in Europe it would not be illegal to crack/copy cedega
[03:27] <ogra> ulas2: not yet....
[03:27] <ogra> ulas2: its still in development
[03:27] <looksaus> Funraiser, copyright ==/== patents
[03:27] <ulas2> ogra, ahhh thats why
[03:27] <rattboi> dgr, I'm a student too, but I can still snag my gf's iBook :P
[03:27] <jono> ogra, this kinda hooks into David Zeuthens talk of an online FDI database for HAL device files
[03:27] <dgr> only thing that I don't like when using Linux is the GUI being kind of slow
[03:28] <ulas2> has anyone got info about glade-3 status?
[03:28] <ogra> jono: i will talk to him after the release, how we can merge the efforts....but currently i'm more busy in getting the app in shape :)
[03:28] <Funraiser> mine is not slow
[03:28] <thoreauputic> dgr: it doesn't have to be
[03:28] <dgr> well, I installed the nvidia drivers but it's not as smooth as winxp
[03:28] <thoreauputic> dgr: and the use of memory is a *good* thing - better thab *not* using it
[03:28] <Funraiser> and i have on old' pentium 3
[03:28] <jono> ogra, sure, I understand, I assume you are detecting HAL keys and sending them to the web server, right?
[03:29] <thoreauputic> s/thab/than
[03:29] <ogra> jono: run hwdb-xml on the commandline ;)
[03:29] <dgr> thoreauputic: well, but if it has to access the hard drive everytime I start an app it's slow
[03:30] <Funraiser> dgr did u enhance the Nvidia drivers too?
[03:30] <dgr> enhance?
[03:30] <thoreauputic> dgr: you can prelink, or you can preload a-la-windows
[03:30] <dgr> I didn't
[03:30] <jono> ogra, ahha, that looks suspiciously like HAL keys :)
[03:30] <dgr> now, how to do _that_? ;)
[03:30] <Funraiser> well on ubuntuguide.org there are 2 steps to install nividia, first install, then enhance
[03:30] <ogra> jono: i enhaced hal a bit for that....(there is a bios, processor and memory device)
[03:30] <ulas2> Funraiser, i want to enhance too
[03:30] <jono> ogra, nice, hookinh this into FDI files should be fairly straightforward
[03:31] <ogra> jono: to get the missing data...
[03:31] <Funraiser> well go to ubuntuguide.org then
[03:31] <rattboi> ubuntuguide doesn't do ATI drivers
[03:31] <thoreauputic> dgr: basically what windows is doing is just loading stuff at start up
[03:31] <ulas2> Funraiser, hmmm sounds promising
[03:31] <Funraiser> not yet
[03:31] <Funraiser> but soon
[03:31] <Funraiser> for ati
[03:31] <rattboi> well, that's not helping me now, is it?
[03:31] <dgr> the enhancing "trick" on ubuntuguide slows down my fps (checked via glxgears)
[03:31] <Funraiser> well at least that's what the author promised at least
[03:31] <rattboi> and it won't help me with hoary either
[03:32] <Funraiser> it enhanced mine big time
[03:32] <dgr> atm I have 3500 fps, and if I do what ubuntuguide says it's 2000
[03:32] <Funraiser> i mean big time
[03:32] <jono> ogra, something I have talked about at various conferences is the idea of developing an online repsitory of automatically generated FDI files, and then when you install a distribution, the distro could download the FDI files (or include them on the CD) and automate the sane defaults - you could reasonably include things such as X resolution in a graphics card FDI file and monitor rates in a monitor FDI file, and then configuration of X and the monitor goes away :)
[03:33] <ogra> jono: but that would involve the need being online at install time.....
[03:33] <dgr> thoreauputic: now, how do I enhance the drivers? (and does that really solve the slow-GUI problem?)
[03:33] <thierry> so, thoreauputic, any idea where I could add these bookmarks in firefox source?
[03:33] <larsson_> When i use the vidix driver in xine, and use tv-out, the xine window on my TV is purple, but it looks fine on my monitor. Any ideas?
[03:33] <thoreauputic> thierry: no, sorry I don't know
[03:33] <thierry> k...
[03:33] <ogra> jono: improving the aotudetection mechanisms based on this data is probably a better approach....
[03:34] <thierry> this is really an easy-fix but I Just can't find where to fix it!
[03:34] <dgr> thierry: what do you wanna do?
[03:34] <Funraiser> tu cherches quoi thierry?
[03:34] <dgr> lol
[03:34] <thoreauputic> dgr: don't know that either - but evidently what you tried didn't work for you, so I guess disabling it would make sense
[03:34] <thierry> ubuntu bug 3176: I want to add ubuntu bookmarks in the ubuntu firefox source package
[03:35] <jono> ogra, well, you could include a snapshot of all FDI files with the distro, they are only tiny text files, and any devices configured after the network is up can use the online repository - most distros try to get online ASAP so as to offer the ability to download packages and security fixes
[03:35] <dgr> thoreauputic: I did
[03:35] <thierry> dgr, Funraiser : I just can't fing where to add them!
[03:35] <Funraiser> oh
[03:35] <ogra> jono: true...
[03:35] <thoreauputic> dgr: if you want maximum GUI speed, maybe look at a window manager like fluxbox or windowmaker?
[03:35] <Funraiser> that's too deep for me
[03:35] <jono> ogra, I think this would set Ubuntu apart as a truly seamless distribution with respect to hardware configuration
[03:36] <thierry> Funraiser : then help me find where to add bookmarks!
[03:36] <dgr> i have them in /home/netslayer/.mozilla/firefox/default.ef6/bookmarks.html ;)
[03:36] <Funraiser> let me check
[03:36] <thierry> dgr: thanks!
[03:36] <dgr> thoreauputic: nah, don't like them. I want it simple, but not THAT simple.
[03:36] <ogra> jono: i think hal will be the base in the future, but yu need to port the apps to use it as well, so it will take its time.... the hwdb stuff is the initial step in that direction
[03:37] <thoreauputic> dgr: hmm.. flux doesn't have to be "simple" - but you need to edit things to get functionality, I admit
[03:38] <dgr> hm...
[03:38] <Echylo> question about ircd
[03:38] <Echylo> password: the password required to oper.  By default this will
[03:38] <Echylo> 	 * need to be encrypted using '/usr/bin/mkpasswd'.
[03:38] <Echylo> this is standing in .conf file
[03:38] <Echylo> but I don't have the program
[03:38] <Echylo> can someone help?
[03:38] <jono> ogra, spot on :) I think where this is interesting is that when I developed some ideas for an online driven hardware database, I thought the most difficult bit was getting usable data from *normal* users; this has been done already with hwdb-client :) I think the key is in hooking that data into the distro so it truly automates the process - if the data is left on a website for users to deal with themselves, it won't be much use, but if it automates hardware conf
[03:38] <jono> iguration, it will really make a difference - HAL is the ideal middleware to make this happen
[03:39] <thierry> wich program could I install to edit .html files?
[03:39] <thoreauputic> dgr: most linux window managers are endlessly tweakable
[03:39] <dgr> thoreauputic: well, I need icons on the desktop to store some things ;)
[03:40] <Funraiser> well, i'm going back to my unix course then...(cedega rulezzzz!!)
[03:40] <thoreauputic> dgr: you can get icons on a flux deaktop (or an icewm desktop, or... you get the idea)
[03:40] <jono> ogra, where it gets really interesting is when you open up a channel for meta-data - imagine asking the user what the best resolution for their graphics card is or some other user information that could possibly be un-detected; this way you have the opportunity to then use the community to step above autodetection - naturally this requires some moderation, but there are various options...
[03:40] <ogra> jono: it will flow back, be sure ;) but building a online database is helpful in other ways too for support issues....
[03:40] <thierry> dgr: finally it wasn't it, I dont have any folder named firefox/default.ef6/bookmarks.html and the bookmarks.html files I have aren't what I need... how did you get your source?
[03:40] <dgr> thoreauputic: did that once via nautilus *g man it was buggy ;)
[03:41] <thoreauputic> dgr: and windowmaker has them by default - just not windows-style
[03:41] <dgr> well, I didn't talk about the source, sorry I got you wrong
[03:41] <thierry> mmmm ok then
[03:41] <thoreauputic> dgr: heh- there are always 15 ways to do whatever you want to do in linux *g*
[03:42] <thierry> Funraiser, I still need your help! I really can't find where to add the bookmarks in the source
[03:42] <ogra> jono: the DB will hand out a token to hwdb-client after submission, so if you got a support case, you can supply this token and the supporter can look up you HW and log data...
[03:42] <dgr> thoreauputic, sometimes I wish there was only one ;)
[03:42] <rattboi> hey
[03:42] <rattboi> ATI 3d is working :)
[03:42] <rattboi> I guess I'm not a complete retard
[03:42] <thoreauputic> dgr: well.... OS-X for you maybe
[03:42] <rattboi> but not the newest drivers...
[03:42] <rattboi> oh well
[03:42] <xinel> okies
[03:42] <xinel> printer works on ma g/f's ubuntu machine
[03:42] <dgr> thoreauputic, ok, stop it, I'm willing to learn! *G*
[03:42] <rattboi> thoreauputic, don't be so sure
[03:42] <xinel> now how do i print from mine over the lan?
[03:43] <ogra> jono: the online DB is only the first step here, because its the easiest to manage use case we have on the list....
[03:43] <thoreauputic> dgr: hehe ;-)
[03:43] <rattboi> I do everything in OSX 15 ways too
[03:43] <xinel> looked at forums so far no help
[03:43] <thoreauputic> rattboi: yeah, that wasn't accurate on my part - sorry :)
[03:43] <Echylo> anyone can help me?
[03:43] <Echylo> where can I fine mkpasswd?
[03:43] <ogra> jono, everything else involves adjustment in other apps...
[03:43] <Echylo> find*
[03:43] <Echylo> or a channel related to ircd-hybrid
[03:44] <thoreauputic> rattboi: in fact I even have blackbox in OS-X (not that I use it much)
[03:44] <rattboi> I used KDE on OSX :P
[03:44] <rattboi> didn't like it much, more just to see it working
[03:44] <thoreauputic> rattboi: right - did you use the fink version?
[03:44] <rattboi> yeah
[03:44] <dgr> I don't like KDE. doens't matter if it's mac or x86 (or sparc, or...).
[03:44] <rattboi> dgr, same here
[03:45] <dgr> *doesn't
[03:45] <rattboi> used to not mind it, until I used gnome and OSX
[03:45] <thoreauputic> dgr: have you ever tried Enlightenment? Pretty cool...
[03:45] <rattboi> Enlightenment? Looks a little too flashy for me
[03:45] <dgr> when I started using Linux (mandrake) I used KDE without noticing I'm using it *g
[03:45] <rattboi> KISS
[03:46] <dgr> my wm of choice shall be fast and comfortable.. but that's difficult to find ;)
[03:46] <rattboi> does anyone here know OSX well?
[03:46] <thoreauputic> rattboi: I don't use it, but it has some sophisticated eyecandy
[03:46] <lemsx1> i know OSX
[03:46] <thoreauputic> (I meant E)
[03:46] <rattboi> there's this app I always use called Quicksilver
[03:46] <rattboi> I hope there's something like it for Gnome/Xorg
[03:46] <lemsx1> rattboi, what does it do?
[03:46] <dgr> did you look at gnomefiles.org?
[03:46] <jono> ogra, cool, the token idea is great - I agree that much of this will need buy in from apps, but I am pleased to see the infrastructure is being built so you can theoretically hook this data into apps and potentially the installer
[03:46] <rattboi> actually, I thikn it's like Beagle
[03:46] <rattboi> can beagle run programs?
[03:47] <zenwhen> The only think I can stand that isn't gnome is XFCE.
[03:47] <Echylo> goddamned
[03:47] <dgr> zenwhen: well, it's also gtk+ based ;)
[03:47] <ogra> jono: yup
[03:47] <Echylo> can someone please tell me where to get mkpasswd
[03:47] <rattboi> anyone here use gdesklets?
[03:47] <Echylo> irc server needs it to generate passwords
[03:47] <jono> ogra, good luck with it, if I can be of any help, just give me a yell :)
[03:47] <rattboi> I have this gdesklet that's like the OSX dock, but it doesn't stay on top like I'd like
[03:48] <zenwhen> dgr: that is exactly why I can stand it. :)
[03:48] <thoreauputic> rattboi: tried gdesklets about a year ago, but they wanted to eat all my resources for some reason...
[03:48] <ogra> jono: we will discuss the stuff further after release, feel free to join in ;)
[03:48] <dgr> zenwhen: I have to admit that k3b seems smooth although it uses qt (smoother than my gtk+ apps)
[03:48] <rattboi> what permissions do I need in fstab to make my vfat partition r/w by all users?
[03:48] <thoreauputic> k3b is very good indeed
[03:49] <jono> ogra, where will you discuss it ?
[03:49] <Echylo> @n ? ???  ??? ??? ???
[03:49] <ogra> jono: its on the plan for UbuntuDownUnder, but will also be discussed online....(ML or IRC)
[03:49] <dgr> does anyone know where I can change the qt font settings? k3bs fonts are damn big :/
[03:50] <thoreauputic> rattboi: I would set umask=002 and id=1000 gid=1000
[03:50] <thoreauputic> hmm change user to users too
[03:50] <thoreauputic> dgr: used to be a fonts setting in kcontrol
[03:50] <zenwhen> dgr: while I admit that I currently cannot live without k3b, it is the only qt app I subject myself to. pretty much everything about qt makes me want to lose my lunch.
[03:51] <jono> ogra, I was chatting to jdub about that - I might see if work can send me
[03:51] <thoreauputic> dgr: but I haven't used KDE for a while
[03:51] <dgr> thoreauputic: I don't have (and want to have) KDE installed here.
[03:51] <ogra> jono: great....i'm hoping for sponsorship too :)
[03:51] <thoreauputic> dgr: you can apt-get it if you wish
[03:52] <dgr> thoreauputic: is there no other way? *cry*
[03:52] <ogra> jono: there is a complete BOF planned about hwdb ....
[03:52] <jono> ogra, are you a Canonical hacker?
[03:52] <lemsx1> Echylo, mkpasswd? the stuff that comes with cygwin you mean?
[03:52] <thoreauputic> dgr: look at the kubuntu release?
[03:52] <ogra> jono: nope :) only a ubuntu hacker
[03:53] <dgr> thoreauputic: oh well. qt is a stand-alone widget set, so there should be a way to configure it _without_ KDE, shouldn't it?
[03:54] <thoreauputic> dgr: probably - I'm not knowledgable enough to answer that
[03:54] <jesuel> help
[03:54] <dgr> ls -R /etc | grep qt doesn't show any results..
[03:54] <thoreauputic> dgr: I would guess you are right. though
[03:54] <lemsx1> Echylo, mkpasswd is a script. get the .tar.bz2 from any cygwin mirror and copy the script to /usr/local/bin
[03:55] <Xappe> dgr, apt-get install qt3-qtconfiguration
[03:55] <Xappe> hmm, wrong, qt3-qtconfig
[03:56] <dgr> thanks, I'm trying it in 2 minutes..
[03:56] <macewan> hrm, does ubuntu require grub?
[03:57] <dgr> Xappe: thank you, works :)
[03:57] <thoreauputic> macewan: I don't think it "requires" it, it is just the default bootloader
[03:57] <thoreauputic> macewan: lilo would work too
[03:57] <Echylo> please
[03:57] <macewan> thinking of messing with bootsplash thismorning
[03:58] <Echylo> can somebody help me with my irc server?
[03:58] <macewan> puuuuuuuuuuuuuuuerty ubuntu
[03:58] <rattboi> thoreauputic, could you give me a little better idea of gid, uid, etc? for fstab
[03:58] <rattboi> uid=1000 is first user, right?
[03:59] <rattboi> can I remove the uid part and just use gid?
[03:59] <thoreauputic> rattboi: gid=group identification, uid= user identification
[03:59] <rattboi> so that users of a certain group can have r/w access to my vfat partition?
[03:59] <eruin> hm
[03:59] <eruin> what's up with esound?
[04:00] <thoreauputic> rattboi: hmm .... I'm just saying what works for me: try your way and see if it works, I suppose
[04:00] <rattboi> well, the problem is that the way you specify only works for one user
[04:00] <rattboi> and that user isn't me
[04:00] <rattboi> we have two admins on this computer
[04:00] <thoreauputic> rattboi: right, i see
[04:01] <rattboi> me and my roommate, and we both will want acces
[04:01] <eruin> mehe, esound is gone
[04:01] <bretzel> Riddell?
[04:01] <thoreauputic> the "users" flag should make mounting possible for all users, I believe
[04:02] <eruin> how would I use polypaudio ?
[04:02] <eruin> for gnome sound
[04:02] <thoreauputic> but check man fstab, I'm just going on memory
[04:03] <Fr0D0> hi
[04:04] <Quest-Master> Is there a way I can do a simple terminal command, and it would go through the contents of every file in the directory, and tell me which ones have "hello" written inside them?
[04:04] <Riddell> bretzel: hmm?
[04:04] <schasi> Yep
[04:05] <Fr0D0> I have a big problem  My Ubuntu hoary desktp locked up and I had to turn the puter off at the switch...it was frozen completely
[04:05] <schasi> Quest-Master: Bash and its scripting can do that
[04:05] <Fr0D0> Upon reboot I only have text boot with 375 commands available
[04:05] <Quest-Master> schasi: I know that.. I need to know if there is already a script for it or a simple command, hehe
[04:06] <schasi> I dont think so
[04:06] <virtuald> Quest-Master: grep -r "your text" dir
[04:06] <schasi> would be something with grep
[04:06] <schasi> yuop
[04:06] <schasi> Thats it
[04:06] <Fr0D0> If Ubuntu can just freze like that (aka windoze bsod) then it is not worth this crap
[04:06] <schasi> -r for recursive?
[04:06] <virtuald> yes
[04:07] <Quest-Master> Fr0D0: You have to work real hard at getting Ubuntu to freeze
[04:07] <schasi> And where does it say "look inside"? Is that default by grep?
[04:07] <dgr> Fr0D0: If you don't like Ubuntu, don't use it.
[04:07] <schasi> Quest-Master: nah, depends. If the System is unstable (e.g. powersupply unit crappy) then its easy
[04:07] <virtuald> schasi: man grep
[04:07] <Fr0D0> I dont like Ubuntu that freezes, please dont insult
[04:08] <schasi> virtuald: A simple yes or no would have sufficed ;-)
[04:08] <Quest-Master> schasi: You can't blame Ubuntu for a bad power supply though. Blame the power supply. ;)
[04:08] <dgr> Fr0D0: what freezes? GNOME?
[04:08] <Quest-Master> Fr0D0: We're not insulting you. o_o
[04:08] <schasi> Quest-Master: That was my message
[04:08] <AciD> oi
[04:08] <schasi> Its easy then to freeze very os and kernel and whatever
[04:09] <thoreauputic> Fr0D0: sometimes "top" can tell you which app is the problem
[04:09] <virtuald> schasi: no it isn't, that's why you need -r
[04:09] <rattboi> thoreauputic,
[04:09] <rattboi> it works
[04:09] <rattboi> I changed gid to admin
[04:09] <rattboi> and it looks like it's working properly
[04:09] <Fr0D0> Gnome freezes...if it has something running and askes for root passwrd, you cant get to the password prompt without moving the locked process first, but f it is locked you cant move it
[04:09] <rattboi> turns out I wasn't a member of the users group
[04:09] <thoreauputic> rattboi: great :) I'll remember that, thanks
[04:09] <dgr> Mem:    516348k total,   495784k used,    20564k free,   154188k buffers << HELP
[04:10] <thoreauputic> rattboi: sudo adduser rattboi users
[04:10] <rattboi> is there a pipe to put stuff right into the clipboard?
[04:10] <rattboi> it'd be cool to do like "cat /etc/fstab | grep /media/shared | clipboard
[04:11] <dgr> I think there's a clipboard server, but you have to install it
[04:11] <thoreauputic> Fr0D0: try ctrl-alt-F1 or F2 to get a terminal, run top and id the offending process and kill it
[04:12] <thoreauputic> Fr0D0: then alt-F7 to return to the GUI
[04:12] <Fr0D0> I wouldnt even allow that Thor
[04:12] <bwlang> rattboi: there's no pipe interface atm  - but it would be easy to write a small program to accept information over a pipe and put it on the clipboard eg "echo foo | toclip'
[04:12] <dgr> thoreauputic: I like ps better than top
[04:12] <schasi> virtuald: you where right. i apologize
[04:12] <Fr0D0> tried ps
[04:12] <thoreauputic> Fr0D0: ah, total freeze - OK that's different
[04:12] <bretzel> oh! I see there is 43 updates, almost all for gstreamer stuff: May I go update without breaking xine stuff ?
[04:12] <Fr0D0> nothing would get attention...
[04:12] <Tycho_Atreides> hey, question: how do i find my kernel source path?
[04:12] <thoreauputic> dgr: yeah, ps if you uknow what to look for
[04:12] <Fr0D0> had to coldboot
[04:13] <dgr> Fr0D0: have you updated the kernel=
[04:13] <Fr0D0> yes...the kernel was updated
[04:13] <dgr> hoary beta?
[04:13] <Fr0D0> to 2.6.10
[04:14] <dgr> 2.6.10-4 kernels don't work for me either (kernel panic 30 seconds after startup), I have to use the old 2.6.10-3 ones
[04:14] <thoreauputic> ah - if it's 2.6.10-4 I think there's a known bug...
[04:14] <thoreauputic> dgr: right
[04:14] <Fr0D0> it had become my favorite desktop handsdown...now I will prolly have to format again...format again...format again
[04:15] <dgr> don't you have an old kernel installed?
[04:15] <thoreauputic> Fr0D0: no, you can revert to the old kernel
[04:15] <thoreauputic> Fr0D0: just choose it at boot-up
[04:15] <dgr> thoreauputic: he can't if he removed the old one
[04:15] <bretzel> Wow! Just finished downloading Kubuntu iso ( 560MB) in 20 min :-) :-)...
[04:15] <thoreauputic> dgr: this is true
[04:15] <rattboi> dgr, 2.6.11 does that for me
[04:15] <thoreauputic> dgr: that would be unwise... :)
[04:16] <rattboi> as soon as gnome starts, kernel panic
[04:16] <jesuel> Bretzel, nice connection
[04:16] <dgr> rattboi: didn't try 2.6.11 yet
[04:16] <Fr0D0> I will try and see, but there is some kind of corruption that is preventing me from startx or even dpkg  NO DPKG
[04:16] <dgr> you don't have dpkg?
[04:16] <dgr> well, there's something wrong ;)
[04:16] <Fr0D0> I dont have it after reboot
[04:16] <bretzel> jesuel: yop!!! Cable modem @5.1mbits/sec
[04:17] <thoreauputic> Fr0D0: was this a dist-upgrade from warty (a recnet one?)
[04:17] <Fr0D0> hard boot screwed up things bad
[04:17] <dgr> Fr0D0: did you boot the old kernel?
[04:17] <thoreauputic> *recent
[04:17] <jesuel> bretzel, peachy
[04:17] <Fr0D0> I used a dist-upgrade for Warty
[04:17] <bretzel> But What I want to notice is the bandwidth from Ubuntu arch sites... very generousely fast!
[04:18] <dgr> I think your kernel version is broken. but in grub, there should be another kernel to choose...
[04:18] <Shachar> question: I have a package in the queue to be accepted into Debian-sid. What do I have to do in order to get it into Ubuntu?
[04:18] <jesuel> bretzel, yeah. I routinely get around 25 to 30mbit/sec
[04:18] <Fr0D0> I will try an old kernel...brb
[04:18] <thoreauputic> Fr0D0: I agree with dgr
[04:19] <dgr> Shachar: wait for the next release, IIRC they grab the sid packages every six months and put them in universe
[04:19] <AciD> hi, when i try to install the package xserver-xorg i get a failedaccording to apt-get.org the libgcc1 package needed by xserver-xorg is in experimental. how can you bypass the pinning protection to get it ?
[04:19] <AciD> oups
[04:19] <AciD> according to apt-get.org the libgcc1 package needed by xserver-xorg is in experimental. how can you bypass the pinning protection to get it ?
[04:19] <Echylo> where does my irc server has to listen?
[04:19] <Echylo> which host? :s
[04:19] <bretzel> jesuel: Cool! 8-) ...And the fact that the updates don't stop to arrives and work very well: add all those benefits and we have a utopic system actually working in real world ...
[04:20] <Shachar> dgr: A. I'm not sure when it will get into Sid. It has been in the upload queue for over a week and a half already. Apparently, everyone is busy with Sarge.
[04:20] <jesuel> bretzel, aye
[04:20] <Shachar> B. Just found the answer to B on the web site
[04:20] <thoreauputic> AciD, are you using debian sources with ubuntu?
[04:20] <AciD> yes
[04:21] <thoreauputic> AciD, don't
[04:21] <dgr> Shachar: If you want them to put it in main, I think you should drop them a mail
[04:21] <AciD> i use ubuntu only for xorg
[04:21] <BiteMeBill> Echylo: What do you mean where does it have to listen?  The port number?
[04:21] <Echylo> no its allright
[04:21] <Echylo> I needed the host
[04:21] <AciD> on my main computer, now i try to setup it for my laptop
[04:21] <bretzel> I say that because I had pain in the as... with some other distros espsecially Fedora(RedHat) with broken connexions, mandrake woth randomly borken connexion, and not working RPM pkgs...
[04:21] <Shachar> dgr: I'm not asking about the Debian process. If you know it, you'll understand that I already packaged the program, got a sponsor, convinced him it was in an ok state, and had him upload it to the queue
[04:21] <dizzie> Afternoon all :)
[04:22] <Shachar> which means I'm fairly along the way :-)
[04:22] <StoffBox-Steve> hi all
[04:22] <dgr> Shachar: I'm talking about Ubuntu ;)
[04:22] <Shachar> I was wondering whether it was worth my while to upload it directly to ubuntu
[04:22] <bretzel> full of thums this morning....sorry full of misspelled words in my phrases ...
[04:22] <Shachar> dgr: who should I email?
[04:23] <dgr> Shachar:http://www.canonical.com/ << there should be a contact page
[04:23] <dgr> don't know if that's right, you should have a look at the wiki first
[04:24] <WeirdAl> 'lo!
[04:24] <WeirdAl> lo?
[04:24] <WeirdAl> can someone tell me how to install SMB support?
[04:24] <thoreauputic> Shachar: or  lists.ubuntu.com
[04:25] <dizzie> WeirdAl, compile a new kernel with SMP support?
[04:25] <WeirdAl> How do I do it easily?
[04:25] <thoreauputic> WeirdAl: sudo apt-get install samba smbfs
[04:25] <WeirdAl> ty
[04:25] <thoreauputic> SMB or SMP?
[04:25] <dgr> WeirdAl: SMB = Samba or SMP?
[04:26] <WeirdAl> oh
[04:26] <WeirdAl> Now I don't know. Hang on.
[04:26] <dizzie> I missread SMB as SMP, sorry :<
[04:26] <StoffBox-Steve> SMB > network
[04:26] <hahu> Hi
[04:26] <WeirdAl> Yeah that one.
[04:26] <dgr> ah ok
[04:26] <WeirdAl> For Windows networking on account of other people.
[04:27] <StoffBox-Steve> than Samba is you way  :D but when you have hoary it is still supported, or ? ... i think so ... you can easy share files over the system menu
[04:27] <thoreauputic> WeirdAl: then see the command I posted above
[04:27] <WeirdAl> getting :-)
[04:28] <Echylo> anyone knows how the packet for services like nickserv & chanserv is called? I use a ircd-hybrid server
[04:28] <dgr> Hm, since I upgraded to Hoary the nautilus smb support seems broken
[04:28] <dgr> is there another way to browse smb-shares?
[04:28] <BiteMeBill> WeirdAl: If you need to know how to configure Samba it's here on the guide http://ubuntuguide.org/#sambaserver
[04:28] <StoffBox-Steve> btw guys, i have upgrade a few days ago to hoary .. and when its done my locale settings are a ugly mix of DE and ENG ... what was the command to set the locale new ?
[04:29] <thoreauputic> sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales  ?
[04:29] <StoffBox-Steve> *blink*
[04:29] <StoffBox-Steve> that was to easy for me *lol*
[04:30] <thoreauputic> haha ;-)
[04:30] <dgr> sudo apt-get install language-pack-de-base <<
[04:30] <dgr> that should solve your problems...
[04:30] <StoffBox-Steve> << change to ENG .. its better than de :D
[04:33] <thoreauputic> dgr: on warty, apt-cache search doesn't know about language-pack-de-base  - is it a Hoary thing?
[04:33] <dgr> hm, try language-pack-de
[04:33] <thoreauputic> k
[04:33] <dgr> I don't know, I'm using the Hoary Beta (which is quite stable)
[04:33] <Botje-> what's the default ubuntu dhcp client?
[04:34] <dgr> Botje-: do you need the default or just a dhcp client?
[04:35] <Shachar> Is there an official stance as far as ubuntu for servers?
[04:35] <Shachar> Is that "recommended", "will work", "at your own risk"?
[04:35] <Botje-> the default one
[04:36] <StoffBox-Steve> hmm, die Nvidia drivers are in the linux-restricted-modules pack or ?
[04:36] <thoreauputic> Shachar: a question for canonical, I guess, if it's a mission-critical server
[04:36] <linuxboy> I just installed one of the Ubuntu monthly packages. What do i do with it?
[04:36] <rattboi> si there a hotkey for xchat to change tabs?
[04:36] <dgr> StoffBox-Steve: they are ;)
[04:37] <thoreauputic> linuxboy: you mean the calendar?
[04:37] <_d4vid> hi all
[04:37] <linuxboy> thoreauputic: yeah
[04:37] <StoffBox-Steve> hmm ok, i have installed the Nvidia drivers ( using them right now ), but i see i dont have the restricted pack installed
[04:37] <linuxboy> thoreauputic: what do i do now? where do i use it?
[04:37] <thoreauputic> linuxboy: you find it in loginscreen setup I think
[04:38] <linuxboy> thoreauputic: oic
[04:38] <Echylo> how stubborn can you be
[04:38] <Echylo> or something like that
[04:39] <linuxboy> thoreauputic: nope, didnt change anything
[04:39] <dgr> have to go, see you guys
[04:39] <thoreauputic> linuxboy: there are backgrounds as well - try using locate ubuntu-calendar or ubuntu | grep nameofmonth
[04:40] <linuxboy> thoreauputic: ah.. yes. found a background
[04:40] <thoreauputic> linuxboy: mine are in /usr/share/
[04:41] <thoreauputic> for instance, /usr/share/doc/ubuntu-calendar-february
[04:41] <StoffBox-Steve> hmm how can i deinstall software that are coming with the basic example : openoffice , without deinstalling ubuntu-desktop ?
[04:41] <linuxboy> thoreauputic: ah, thanx
[04:42] <Tycho_Atreides> how can i find my linux source path?
[04:42] <rattboi> see ya
[04:42] <thoreauputic> linuxboy: and /usr/share/backgrounds
[04:43] <Quest-Master> G3 Torrent for Ubuntu is here. :D http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=86007
[04:43] <thoreauputic> StoffBox-Steve: ubuntu-desktop is a metapackage - you can uninstall it without breaking anything
[04:44] <StoffBox-Steve> Oh thx, didnt know that :) so its only a dummypack to easy install all desktop tools? :D
[04:44] <thoreauputic> yes
[04:44] <StoffBox-Steve> ty
[04:44] <thoreauputic> pulls in dependencies etc
[04:45] <thoreauputic> time to sleep... good night all
[04:45] <xoxoxo> hello. i need to run a small script after the system finish booting up. in which rc file should i call this script?
[04:47] <Goshawk> xoxoxo, you have to put the script into /etc/rc2.d with name that starts as S99"name"
[04:47] <Hikaru79> I've switched from gnome to KDE on ubuntu... what packages should I delete to get rid of gnome now? (There's no point in keeping both)
[04:47] <Goshawk> xoxoxo, but the best way is to put the script into /etc/init.d
[04:47] <Goshawk> xoxoxo, and link it with update-rc.d
[04:48] <Riddell> Hikaru79: apt-get remove libgtk2.0-0 would about do it
[04:49] <xoxoxo> Goshawk: that doesnt guarantee that my script run after every other scripts
[04:49] <xoxoxo> there must be a better way to do it
[04:49] <Goshawk> yes
[04:49] <Goshawk> S99 is the last script
[04:49] <Goshawk> to be executed
[04:49] <Goshawk> S01 is the first
[04:49] <xoxoxo> like in RH, they have smt like rc.local
[04:50] <xoxoxo> Goshawk: i know that, but what if there are 10 S99?
[04:50] <xoxoxo> what will run last?
[04:50] <xoxoxo> that is why we need a better way
[04:50] <Goshawk> they are ordered for name
[04:50] <Goshawk> S99b comes after S99a
[04:50] <xoxoxo> then you must choose the "good" name for it
[04:50] <xoxoxo> still bad solution
[04:51] <Goshawk> S99z"name" will be the last
[04:51] <xoxoxo> Goshawk: are u sure???
[04:52] <xoxoxo> ok, tell me what is the "sure" name so my script will be the last?
[04:52] <Goshawk> do ls /etc/rc2.d
[04:52] <Goshawk> and the last script will be executed for last
[04:52] <xoxoxo> u dont get my point
[04:53] <snowblink> xoxoxo: crontab @reboot?
[04:53] <xoxoxo> that solution is not scalable
[04:54] <xoxoxo> i need smt like rc.local in RedHat. there must be smt like that in ubuntu, but i dont know exactly what it is named
[04:55] <ca> Hi all. Just installede ubuntu hoary. Love it so far :) Would like to get java on my system, but the guides i find are a bit hard to make out. Some refer to warty, some seem outdated and so on. What is the "best" way to get sun java for hoary?
[04:56] <Goshawk> ca have you looked at ubuntuguide.org?
[04:58] <ca> Goshawk, Don't remember if it was there or some wiki, but i found that most guides refered to warty. Just wondered if i could use those withoug prolems or not?
[04:58] <ca> Goshawk, Just saw the link you gave, looks good, will try that. Thanks.
[04:59] <mijenix> where I can set the domain name? apache2 gives a error message
[04:59] <Goshawk> ca there is one of the best guide about ubuntu ^__^
[04:59] <ca> Goshawk, First time i see that page i think. Will bookmark it right away :)
[05:00] <mijenix> Goshawk: wich ine
[05:00] <Goshawk> mijenix, what?
[05:01] <Goshawk> ca yes.. it should be put at the topic...
[05:01] <snowblink> hmmm. Used to be in the topic...
[05:01] <Goshawk> one week ago it there was.. but now not
[05:13] <Echylo> anybody experience with dyndns?
[05:13] <Echylo> and knows a (good) service that auto updates your IP on their site?
[05:14] <xoxoxo> my ubuntu (4.10) boot up so slow. anybody can recommend me how to refine system to speed things up?
[05:15] <xoxoxo> i already remove unneeded script from /etc/init.d, but that doesnt help much
[05:16] <Goshawk> xoxoxo, you have to see where you system lose time
[05:16] <Goshawk> xoxoxo, removing things from /etc/init.d will make your system unstable
[05:16] <Echylo> I think he loses the most at hotplug subsystem right?
[05:16] <xoxoxo> ok i meant i removed things in rc3.d
[05:17] <Echylo> and I think they will try to speed it up in hoary
[05:17] <xoxoxo> Echylo: yes hotplug is so slow
[05:17] <Echylo> uhu
[05:17] <Goshawk> xoxoxo, but hotplug is the besic for plug& play
[05:17] <xoxoxo> i wonder if upgrading to hoary will help ?
[05:17] <Goshawk> xoxoxo, yes it will help
[05:18] <xoxoxo> Goshawk: are u running hoary now? how fast it boot compare to warty?
[05:18] <help-me> hello
[05:18] <LinuxJones> xoxoxo, debian uses runlevel 2 by default
[05:18] <Echylo> hello
[05:18] <help-me> anyone fluent in networking?
[05:18] <Echylo> mr hacker help-me
[05:18] <Goshawk> xoxoxo, yes t seems to be better but the best advantages is not th speed
[05:18] <LinuxJones> xoxoxo, err Ubuntu
[05:18] <Goshawk> but the compatibilities
[05:19] <Goshawk> since it has X.org
[05:19] <help-me> who Echylo?
[05:19] <Echylo> you
[05:19] <Echylo> your name ::P
[05:19] <help-me> ahh...
[05:19] <help-me> nothing to do with it
[05:19] <xoxoxo> i just need my ssytem run fast, dont care x.org. i work mainly in console
[05:20] <Echylo> uhu
[05:20] <Echylo> otherwise you would hide your ip ;)
[05:20] <help-me> do i need to install samba to access folders in a windows machine?
[05:20] <Goshawk> xoxoxo, so remove the packages not the scripts!
[05:20] <Goshawk> and remove daemons if you don't need them
[05:21] <zenwhen> well hoary boots much faster, but general desktop apps are slower
[05:21] <zenwhen> much slower
[05:21] <ca> xoxoxo, I'm just a noob wrt. ubuntu, but if you work mainly in console are you sure ubuntu is the distribution for you? How about pure debian or ...?
[05:22] <xoxoxo> ca: ubuntu is more updated, so i prefer it
[05:22] <help-me> hey, what about networking.....
[05:22] <lunitik> ca: there is really no advantage to Debian over Ubuntu... they are basically the same thing, except that you get decent release schedule...
[05:22] <help-me> any pages that people know?
[05:23] <HcE> xoxoxo: that actually depends on what you use the disto for ;) Or are you using Warty or Hoary?
[05:23] <lunitik> ca: They are basically the same thing.
[05:23] <xoxoxo> hmm i will try to upgrade to hoary. hopefuly it works
[05:23] <LinuxJones> help-me, what kind of networking questions do you have ?
[05:23] <lunitik> xoxoxo: thats an irrelivant point... hoary takes packages from sid... sid is more up-to-date.
[05:23] <help-me> humm,
[05:23] <HcE> I lack some development packages in Ubuntu
[05:23] <ca> hmm, thought there was bigger difference. But what do i know, i'm new here :)
[05:23] <help-me> i have my ubuntu machine in a windows network
[05:24] <lunitik> HcE: apt-get install build-essential
[05:24] <help-me> and i would like to access folders in windows machines
[05:24] <help-me> but i can't access them
[05:24] <lunitik> ca: nope, not really.
[05:24] <LinuxJones> help-me, so you wnat the Ubuntu machine to share files with your windows machine ?
[05:24] <HcE> lunitik: I'm not that new ;) Ubuntu uses libpqxx 2.2, Debian Sarge uses libpqxx 2.4.1
[05:24] <LinuxJones> err want
[05:24] <andrewski> how many packages does everyone have installed?  i have 760 currently.
[05:24] <help-me> more the other way around LinuxJones
[05:25] <xoxoxo> lunitik: ok but ubuntu is updated and also much more stable. not as sid.
[05:25] <LinuxJones> help-me, have a look @ www.ubuntuguide.org
[05:25] <help-me> i have
[05:25] <help-me> but i can't install samba server
[05:25] <help-me> it gives me an error message
[05:25] <lunitik> HcE: I see 2.4.1 here...
[05:25] <lunitik> HcE: Hoary though...
[05:26] <HcE> yes, not in Warty
[05:26] <help-me> Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another proc ess using it?
[05:26] <LinuxJones> help-me, do you know what error comes up ?
[05:26] <help-me> this one
[05:26] <help-me> Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another proc ess using it?
[05:26] <lunitik> xoxoxo: Sid isn't that unstable actually, unstable stuff goes to experimental generally...
[05:26] <LinuxJones> help-me, ok you have synaptic running
[05:26] <help-me> yeah
[05:26] <help-me> i'll close it
[05:26] <help-me> :S
[05:26] <LinuxJones> help-me, you can use it
[05:26] <lunitik> HcE: I don't use warty.
[05:27] <LinuxJones> help-me, hit the reload button to refresh the package list
[05:27] <cavediver> Gahh, i'm getting tired of this... I can't install oo2 no matter what i do.
[05:27] <help-me> what should i look for?
[05:27] <xoxoxo> anybody experiences problem upgrading from warty to hoary?
[05:27] <LinuxJones> help-me, after you refresh click the serach button and type in samba
[05:27] <lunitik> HcE: there is backports.ubuntuforums.org if you want to check that out
[05:28] <lunitik> xoxoxo: none here.
[05:28] <andrewski> xoxoxo: nope. ;)
[05:28] <snowblink> help-me: you don't need to install samba server just to access windows shares
[05:29] <lunitik> snowblink: in fact, it doesn't help at all  :P
[05:29] <LinuxJones> snowblink, he want to share files both ways
[05:29] <pmjdebruijn> lo all
[05:31] <snowblink> LinuxJones: didn't read it that way...
[05:31] <LinuxJones> snowblink, I do that all the time ;)
[05:32] <universal> dow someone know about gdesklets?
[05:33] <leitao> people, my ubuntu dont recognized my sound. how can i do that?
[05:33] <lunitik> universal: what do you need to know??
[05:33] <universal> lunitik, gtk.mainloop is deprecated, use gtk.main instead
[05:33] <universal> , thats my problem
[05:34] <lunitik> universal: you compiled yourself or something?  :/
[05:34] <universal> lunitik, no i dl it from synaptic
[05:34] <lunitik> universal: I'm not sure then... never seen that, sorry
[05:34] <universal> lunitik, ok
[05:35] <universal> someone else who have seen my problem : gtk.mainloop is deprecated, use gtk.main instead
[05:35] <snowblink> universal: sounds like a warning rather than an error
[05:36] <universal> snowblink, i think it is, but then how to run the program anyway?
[05:36] <snowblink> universal: does it exit the program with that message?
[05:37] <universal> no, its when im typing gdesklets in term
[05:37] <snowblink> universal: okay, so what happens when you start adding gdesklets?
[05:37] <usual> man this redrawing of windows is the pits
[05:38] <universal> snowblink, (gDesklets:9042): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:
[05:38] <universal> Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[05:38] <universal> gDesklets 0.26.2
[05:38] <universal> Copyright (C) 2003, 2004 The gDesklets Team
[05:38] <universal> This software is licensed under the terms of the GNU GPL.
[05:38] <universal> /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py:90: GtkDeprecationWarning: gtk.mainloop is deprecated, use gtk.main instead
[05:38] <universal>   self.warn(message, DeprecationWarning)
[05:39] <snowblink> universal: okay
[05:39] <snowblink> universal: that's fine
[05:39] <universal> snowblink, ok, ?
[05:39] <snowblink> universal: now try adding gdesklets
[05:39] <universal> snowblink, what do u mean?
[05:39] <larsson_> I
[05:40] <snowblink> gdesklets /usr/share/gdesklets/Displays/some.display
[05:40] <larsson_> Ive got video problems. I am using vidix as video driver in xine. I want to use it on the tv-out too. When i do this, everything looks fine on my monitor but on the TV, the xine window is pink. This only happens with the vidix drivers. Need help!
[05:41] <universal> snowblink, ok, i shall tyoe that in term?
[05:41] <snowblink> universal: when you start gdesklets it's like a clean slate. You have to add things to show on the desktop
[05:41] <snowblink> universal: have a look in /usr/share/gdesklets/Displays for some of the things you might want to run
[05:42] <universal> snowblink, ok, but as im adding, it cannot open, because it does not exitst
[05:42] <snowblink> universal: sorry. Didn't understand that.
[05:43] <larsson_> Anyone?
[05:43] <universal> snowblink, when im typing the add-line, a windoes pops up, and says that the folder doesent exist
[05:43] <bretzel> Hi again: I am actually running hoary KUBUNTU :-)
[05:43] <snowblink> universal: ah - have you go the gdesklets-data?
[05:43] <universal> no
[05:43] <universal> ahh ok
[05:44] <andrewski> larsson_: #xine
[05:44] <universal> snowblink, so first i have to go to the folder cd...... and then type the adding
[05:44] <snowblink> sudo apt-get install gdesklets-data
[05:44] <snowblink> universal: you can add stuff that ends in .display
[05:45] <snowblink> universal: yup that works too
[05:45] <universal> snowblink, hmm?
[05:45] <universal> snowblink, ok
[05:46] <universal> snowblink,ok, now im in /usr/share/gdesklets/Displays, then what shall i type?
[05:46] <andrewski> how do i change the keyboard ubuntu boots with?
[05:46] <macewan> this shit would be so much easier if i wasn't a dumbass
[05:47] <andrewski> universal: man gdesklets.  it gives you the syntax for adding displays.
[05:47] <snowblink> universal: you have to pick something you want to display now
[05:47] <andrewski> universal: or, run it from nautilus.
[05:47] <universal> ok, hmm
[05:47] <andrewski> macewan: that's a very true statement, for all of us. ;)
[05:48] <universal> and now i can download what i whant to display, as a clock, Weather, and so??
[05:48] <snowblink> universal: sudo apt-get install gdesklets-data
[05:48] <snowblink> universal: that will get you a bunch to start playing with#
[05:49] <universal> snowblink, ok, can u then tell me how to?
[05:49] <andrewski> universal: open up nautilus
[05:49] <universal> ok
[05:49] <andrewski> universal: go to /usr/share/gdesklets/Displays
[05:49] <andrewski> universal: and double-click on any you want to try.  that should work, but i'm going from memory.
[05:49] <universal> andrewski, ok, thx
[05:50] <universal> BOTH
[05:50] <andrewski> universal: no problem
[05:53] <universal> andrewski, when using nautilus, shall i then run from root?
[05:53] <andrewski> universal: no.
[05:54] <CarlK> anyone have a URL for setting up a print server using Hoary server?
[05:54] <andrewski> universal: gdesklets are a user program; you don't need root privileges to run it.
[05:54] <universal> andrewski, when dubbelclicking, it cannot open the .display
[05:55] <andrewski> universal: hmm.  ok, try reading the manpage for gdesklets; i think all you have to do is 'gdesklets /usr/share/gdesklets/Displays/name-of-desklet.display' but I could be wrong. :)
[05:55] <Zitter> hi, is it possible to map "window key" to open gnome-menu?
[05:55] <StoffBox-Steve> how is the command for the KDE system setup ?
[05:55] <andrewski> Zitter: yes, look at the manpage for xmodmap.
[05:55] <universal> andrewski, ok thx
[05:55] <andrewski> universal: let me know if that works.
[05:55] <Zitter> andrewski, ok
[05:59] <alessandro> I
[06:00] <alessandro> I've a problem with usb, when I plug any device doesn't appen nothing
[06:01] <LinuxJones> universal, are you using warty ?
[06:01] <universal> andrewski, hmm root@universal:/home/universal # gdesklets /usr/share/gdesklets/Displays/rss
[06:01] <universal> (gDesklets:9516): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:
[06:01] <universal> Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[06:01] <universal> gDesklets 0.26.2
[06:01] <universal> Copyright (C) 2003, 2004 The gDesklets Team
[06:01] <universal> This software is licensed under the terms of the GNU GPL.
[06:01] <universal> LinuxJones, yes
[06:01] <andrewski> universal: did you read the manpage?
[06:01] <universal> andrewski, sry, ;)
[06:02] <andrewski> universal: you should be adding something that has an extension of .display
[06:02] <andrewski> universal: read the manpage!
[06:02] <andrewski> :)
[06:02] <LinuxJones> universal, I';m runnign Hoary and when I run gdesklets it opens a nice gui for adding gdesklets to the desktop.
[06:02] <andrewski> LinuxJones: IIRC that's a recent addition
[06:02] <universal> LinuxJones, ok, hmm it doesent come up for me ;)
[06:03] <looksaus> why shouldn't I disable/remove postfix from my laptop?
[06:03] <looksaus> (trying to keep battery usage to a minimum)
[06:04] <looksaus> and memory usage...
[06:04] <snowblink> andrewski: in warty I don't believe they set up the file association by default
[06:04] <looksaus> suggestions for removing even more service?
[06:04] <CarlK> install gentoo ;)
[06:04] <andrewski> snowblink: ok, i see.  so this CLI command should work just fine. :P
[06:04] <CarlK> which is GENerally TOO much trouble
[06:05] <snowblink> andrewski: I already gave the command to him.
[06:05] <andrewski> snowblink: oh, i missed that.
[06:05] <NobleArc> ick.  I hated Gentoo when I tried it. >.<
[06:06] <andrewski> i really liked gentoo, but the endless compiling wore on me.  now, in ubuntu, i sacrifice the availability of any package i come across....  win some, lose some.
[06:06] <rattboi> you can still compile from source
[06:07] <andrewski> rattboi: yes, that's true, but it's much more a pain in the butt to keep track of.
[06:07] <rattboi> yeah
[06:07] <andrewski> i know i can't...
[06:07] <NobleArc> Compilation from source of X.Org scares me.
[06:07] <andrewski> NobleArc: you mean in gentoo?
[06:07] <NobleArc> on this machine, it took about an hour or two, but on my old 400 MHz one, it took two days. >.<
[06:07] <NobleArc> yes, in Gentoo.
[06:07] <rattboi> I never used gentoo, so I don't know how easy it is to compile
[06:08] <andrewski> NobleArc: i mean, it takes a while, but it's rather painless.
[06:08] <rattboi> NobleArc, that was probably memory-limited
[06:08] <andrewski> rattboi: as is most compiling.
[06:08] <NobleArc> Still.
[06:08] <NobleArc> The pain!
[06:08] <andrewski> NobleArc: you mean the time.
[06:08] <NobleArc> er, yes.
[06:08] <NobleArc> The time!
[06:08] <andrewski> :P
[06:08] <NobleArc> ..of pain!
[06:08] <rattboi> what makes Ubuntu so much harder to compile with?
[06:08] <rattboi> usually it's the same ./configure, make, make install stuff
[06:08] <NobleArc> uh, lack of gcc when you first install it? -_-
[06:09] <rattboi> bah, "sudo apt-get install build-essential"
[06:09] <rattboi> solved that
[06:09] <andrewski> rattboi: since that's what you do in gentoo, portage keeps track of things, keeps the source in this directory, installs to this directory, and makes exceptions based on the program so that it's rather painless.
[06:09] <rattboi> oh, it's source packages then
[06:09] <andrewski> rattboi: emerge program and (after the time...) you have it ready to go.
[06:09] <universal> andrewski, when im trying one of the .Display it says No preview tag for file:///usr/share/gdesklets/Displays/boxmail-desklet/boxmail.display
[06:10] <LinuxJones> universal, andrewski I just installed gdesklets cause you guys were talking about it...very cool
[06:10] <NobleArc> gdesklets is broken in Debian. :0
[06:10] <andrewski> universal: i dunno anymore.
[06:10] <NobleArc> Is it here? :0
[06:10] <rattboi> NobleArc, nope
[06:10] <rattboi> I'm using it now
[06:10] <NobleArc> ooh, score.
[06:10] <andrewski> ask LinuxJones :)
[06:10] <NobleArc> brb.
[06:10] <rattboi> on Hoary at least
[06:10] <NobleArc> aw, fuzz.
[06:10] <LinuxJones> NobleArc, I jsut installed it 10 minutes ago on Hoary
[06:11] <NobleArc> I refuse to use Hoary 'til it's officially released. -_-
[06:11] <universal> LinuxJones, u know the problem?
[06:11] <andrewski> NobleArc: aw, fuzz on you then.
[06:11] <LinuxJones> NobleArc, I wish there was a gdeskltp to fix my horrid typing skills
[06:11] <andrewski> LinuxJones: lol
[06:11] <cshah2> when would it be officially released?
[06:11] <NobleArc> uh. eventually.
[06:11] <LinuxJones> universal, no sorry dude
[06:11] <cshah2> :(
[06:12] <universal> LinuxJones, ok ;)
[06:12] <oferw> where I can find what are the requirement for workstation
[06:12] <rattboi> who here uses gdesklets?
[06:12] <NobleArc> Someone said it would be in April. o_O
[06:12] <rattboi> is there a way to get them to stay on top?
[06:12] <universal> rattboi, me!
[06:12] <andrewski> universal: did you read the manpage?
[06:13] <LinuxJones> NobleArc, Hoary should be frozen within a few weeks
[06:13] <rattboi> universal, do you  know a way to get a gdesklet to stay over other windows?
[06:13] <NobleArc> Huzzah.
[06:13] <rattboi> I'm using StarterBar, but it doesn't work so well when apps go over the top of it
[06:14] <universal> andrewski, yes
[06:16] <oferw> anybody can help me
[06:16] <oferw> ?
[06:16] <NobleArc> I'm sure someone could.. but I don't know that they will.
[06:16] <NobleArc> I'm next to useless, so don't ask me.
[06:16] <LinuxJones> oferw, it should be on the ubuntu webpage
[06:16] <oferw> I can not find it
[06:17] <NobleArc> ..."cannot" is one word.
[06:17] <apokryphos> and "can not" is still not syntactically incorrect, either
[06:18] <NobleArc> Or /is/ it?
[06:18] <andrewski> no.
[06:18] <NobleArc> heh, "syntactically."  That's gold.
[06:18] <NobleArc> Pure gold!
[06:18] <apokryphos> Gee, thanks.
[06:18] <andrewski> it's a word, NobleArc.
[06:18] <NobleArc> That's the official #ubuntu word of the day. o_O
[06:18] <NobleArc> Or at least I think it should be.
[06:19] <NobleArc> It just rolls off the tongue! Syntactically..
[06:19] <LinuxJones> oferw, what kind of system do you have ?
[06:19] <apokryphos> Not like "velocity". That's a killer word; a v, a c, and an l!
[06:20] <oferw> LinuxJones: I need to know to buy computers for workstations
[06:20] <andrewski> oh no, not an l!
[06:20] <NobleArc> L's are the worst.
[06:21] <apokryphos> They're the best. Lush, lovely... all very sensuous. :P
[06:21] <NobleArc> I suppose.
[06:21] <apokryphos> libindous :P
[06:21] <NobleArc> I prefer q's.  There's one in quintessential. ^^
[06:21] <apokryphos> possibly spelt wrong ;-)
[06:21] <LinuxJones> oferw, most entry level systems can easily run Ubuntu quite well
[06:21] <NobleArc> I wouldn't know.  My spelling is horrid. >.<  Still, I go out of my way to correct everyone else's!
[06:22] <apokryphos> libidinous; that's it.
[06:22] <andrewski> apokryphos: "of the libido"?
[06:22] <NobleArc> I see 'lib' and automatically think of apt. >.<
[06:22] <oferw> LinuxJones: but still I want to know if there are any requirements
[06:22] <andrewski> O_o
[06:23] <apokryphos> andrewski: whatwhat? Syn: Lewd; lustful; lascivious; unchaste; impure; sensual; licentious; lecherous; salacious.
[06:23] <LinuxJones> oferw, your going to want at least a 1 gig processor and 256 megs of ram 512 would be optimal.
[06:23] <dkl> hi
[06:25] <oferw> LinuxJones: thanks, do you know where I can find it on the website?
[06:25] <LinuxJones> oferw, let me have a look
[06:26] <oferw> LinuxJones: thanks
[06:28] <LinuxJones> oferw, >> http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~mako/ubuntu-traffic/u20050107_20.html#4
[06:28] <JDigital> Hello folks, does anyone know the easiest way to install Java?
[06:29] <JDigital> The wiki page is complicated.
[06:29] <LinuxJones> oferw, looks like P3 500 with 192 megs ram
[06:29] <andrewski> i've gotten a number of freezes in ubuntu.  i'm jus' sayin'.
[06:29] <oferw> LinuxJones: thank you very much
[06:29] <LinuxJones> oferw, np
[06:30] <NobleArc> I installed it from a guide, but the guide was long, and annoying.
[06:30] <Vishaakje> is there an easy way to making a samba shared upload folder?
[06:30] <oferw> LinuxJones: you probbly know how to search
[06:31] <LinuxJones> oferw, I just google'd for it
[06:32] <NobleArc> Google > *
[06:32] <andrewski> NobleArc: exactly.
[06:33] <NobleArc> *nods*
[06:33] <NobleArc> Google got me my first -- and only -- quote on bash! :D
[06:33] <dampjam> I just got ubuntu working and I was wondering if anybody could tell me a good code editor that supports coloring
[06:33] <JDigital> is there like some kind of package
[06:33] <JDigital> that I can install
[06:33] <LinuxJones> dampjam, gedit
[06:33] <andrewski> NobleArc: huh?
[06:33] <JDigital> dampjam: gedit
[06:33] <knucks> Has anyone been successful with getting RealPlayer to work in Firefox
[06:33] <knucks> ?
[06:33] <Blissex> dampjam: there are dozens and dozens
[06:33] <NobleArc> I have a quote of me talking to someone on bash, and it involves google. :0
[06:34] <JDigital> I submitted quote 1337 on bash :cool:
[06:34] <andrewski> dampjam: if you've used vim before, gvim is a good one.
[06:34] <Blissex> dampjam: depends a lot on your preferences and ho geeky you are
[06:34] <JDigital> vim sucks
[06:34] <JDigital> gedit
[06:34] <NobleArc> I can't even get RealPlayer working, knucks.
[06:34] <dampjam> Wow, gedit is awesome, I just saw the source formattin gmenu
[06:34] <NobleArc> It loads, plays the audio, but there's no video. :P
[06:34] <dampjam> I know everybody will make fun of me but I'm more of a nano kind of guy when it comes to terminal editing
[06:34] <knucks> hm i havent tested mine out..
[06:34] <NobleArc> I love nano.
[06:35] <Tomcat_> \o/ nano \o/
[06:35] <NobleArc> I wont use anything else.
[06:35] <knucks> link to a realplayer video?
[06:35] <NobleArc> *won't
[06:35] <JDahl> JDigital, that's quite original: bringing gedit into an editor flamewar! cudos to you
[06:35] <billytwowilly> nano basically = pico..
[06:35] <dampjam> billytwowilly: correct
[06:35] <NobleArc> nano is pico .. to the MAX!
[06:35] <dampjam> only it's smaller
[06:35] <billytwowilly> and notepad destroys all;)
[06:35] <dampjam> ;)
[06:36] <Quest-Master> ScITE \m/
[06:36] <Hikaru79> If I have a computer that is dual-booting Ubuntu and Windows, and I want to get rid of Ubuntu, once I delete the partitions with Ubuntu on it, do I have to do anything to the boot record for it to automatically load Windows from now on?
[06:36] <Quest-Master> If gedit had auto-tabbing, I'd use it
[06:36] <JDigital> oh, I think I found java. neato.
[06:36] <Quest-Master> Hikaru79: Yes
[06:36] <billytwowilly> fdisk mdr
[06:36] <knucks> anyone?
[06:36] <JDigital> I like nano
[06:36] <knucks> I cant get RealPlayer working in firefox
[06:36] <billytwowilly> But you should go the other way and get rid of windows;)
[06:36] <Hikaru79> I just do 'fdisk mdr'? That's it?
[06:36] <dampjam> Hikaru79: you can either leave it running grub, or put yoru windows disk in and have it repair the boot
[06:36] <JDigital> but I prefer gedit when it comes to GUI-based editors
[06:36] <Hikaru79> Ah
[06:36] <Quest-Master> Hikaru79: You'll need your Windows XP install CD, open up a Recovery console
[06:36] <Hikaru79> Okay =0
[06:36] <LinuxJones> Hikaru79, fdisk mbr ?
[06:37] <NobleArc> isn't it mbr.. o_o
[06:37] <Hikaru79> *=) That's not a problem
[06:37] <Quest-Master> Hikaru79: Then type in fixmbr
[06:37] <JDigital> Ouch, I forgot that Java is 61MB
[06:37] <Hikaru79> *mbr
[06:37] <Quest-Master> Hikaru79: Then type in fixboot
[06:37] <JDigital> I once downloaded Java and split it onto fourteen disks to take it home
[06:37] <JDahl> JDigital, I hear you! my favorite editor is Notepad via Wine...
[06:37] <JDigital> that was fun
[06:37] <Hikaru79> fixboot or fixmbr?
[06:37] <Quest-Master> Hikaru79: And that will fix it all. :)
[06:37] <Quest-Master> Both.
[06:37] <NobleArc> sick. notepad.
[06:37] <Hikaru79> Oh, booth?
[06:37] <Hikaru79> *both?
[06:37] <Quest-Master> Yes.
[06:37] <Hikaru79> Okay =) Thanks guys
[06:37] <JDigital> Gedit gives all the advantages of notepad, but with also extra functions.
[06:37] <JDahl> NobleArc, I was joking, of course
[06:37] <dampjam> I have a 1280x768 resolution and this: http://www.leog.net/fujp_forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5371 works, but I was wondeirng if there was a "correct" way to do it, instead of patching the vbios
[06:37] <Quest-Master> fixboot usually isn't needed, but is in rare cases.
[06:37] <NobleArc> phew.
[06:37] <NobleArc> Scared me.
[06:38] <tritium> JDigital, I remember installing slackware off of 30+ floppies back in the day
[06:39] <dampjam> exit
[06:39] <NobleArc> ...
[06:40] <billytwowilly> Beat that;)
[06:40] <NobleArc> ..It's a contest now?
[06:40] <billytwowilly> To see who has done the lamest thing with linux;)
[06:40] <NobleArc> ah.
[06:40] <NobleArc> well if it's lame, I threw a Knoppix CD at my toaster and screamed: "LINUX TOASTER, HUZZAH!" .. That's pretty lame.
[06:40] <andrewski> billytwowilly: i think i'll let you win.
[06:41] <andrewski> NobleArc: that's just funny.
[06:41] <NobleArc> ah.
[06:41] <NobleArc> well, score.
[06:41] <NobleArc> I demand to be able to run Linux on my toaster. =\
[06:41] <andrewski> uh...
[06:41] <NobleArc> or my Apple ] [+.
[06:41] <billytwowilly> NobleArc wins...
[06:41] <NobleArc> .. or my Apple //c.
[06:41] <javiolo> anyone here use zircon ?
[06:43] <knucks> "added a symbolic link to nphelix.so
[06:43] <knucks> > and nphelix.xpt in that /opt/RealPlayer directory"
[06:43] <knucks> how do i do that?
[06:43] <NobleArc> Someone remind me never to order anything from TigerDirect again. -_-
[06:43] <knucks> the symbolic link thiung?
[06:44] <Quest-Master> NobleArc: :o Why?
[06:44] <Quest-Master> I was going to order some stuff from them
[06:44] <Tycho_Atreides> why, whatd tiger direct do
[06:44] <Quest-Master> Guess I won't now
[06:44] <NobleArc> I've been waiting two months for my video card now.
[06:44] <Quest-Master> :o!
[06:44] <NobleArc> I ordered it December 27th. -_-
[06:44] <Tycho_Atreides> o.
[06:44] <Quest-Master> Wow.
[06:44] <javiolo> anyone here use zircon ?
[06:44] <Quest-Master> That's.. a while.
[06:44] <NobleArc> My last order from them only took two weeks.
[06:44] <NobleArc> this?  Much longeer.
[06:44] <NobleArc> *longer
[06:44] <knucks> please
[06:44] <knucks> someone
[06:44] <NobleArc> mind you, this is TigerDirect.ca, so they might be different. :P
[06:45] <knucks> how do i add a symbolic link?
[06:45] <Tycho_Atreides> only two weeks? newegg usually takes about 3-4 days
[06:45] <snowblink> knucks: man ln
[06:45] <NobleArc> I can't use NewEgg, as far as I know, they no likey the Canadians.
[06:45] <Quest-Master> XD
[06:45] <Tycho_Atreides> that blows
[06:46] <NobleArc> all I want is my cheap cruddy GeForce 5200. =\  Anything is better than my 420 MX.
[06:46] <Tycho_Atreides> whoa
[06:46] <Tycho_Atreides> dont buy that!
[06:46] <Quest-Master> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=18369 <-- G3 Torrent for Ubuntu.. anybody interested in trying, feedback/bugs/comments would be appreciated. :)
[06:46] <NobleArc> it was $20 CDN, that's like $15 USD.
[06:46] <Tycho_Atreides> youve gotta be able to get something better for not more money
[06:46] <Tycho_Atreides> oh ok
[06:46] <NobleArc> :P
[06:46] <Tycho_Atreides> $20 is ok
[06:46] <knucks> snowblink: would this be right: ln --symbolic /usr/bin/nphelix.so ?
[06:46] <NobleArc> It was on super-hella-secretive-no-one-knows-cept-everyone sale.
[06:46] <Tycho_Atreides> uh huh
[06:46] <Blissex> NobleArc: I'd suggest canceling the order for the 5200; 2 momnths it might have been still tolerable, there are better tjhings for the same moeny now.
[06:47] <snowblink> knucks: ln -s sourcefile newfile
[06:47] <Tycho_Atreides> better things.. for $15?
[06:47] <knucks> snowblink: ahhh ok thans
[06:47] <NobleArc> They wont /give/ me the money back.  I've tried contacting them, they said 'they'd look into it' weeks ago.
[06:47] <Tycho_Atreides> call them and YELL
[06:47] <NobleArc> They never sent me a tracking number, either.
[06:47] <Tycho_Atreides> bitch em out and theyll get on it
[06:47] <Blissex> NobleArc: Tycho_Atreides: I am assuming a typo and a missing zero.
[06:47] <NobleArc> o_O?
[06:48] <Tycho_Atreides> nah, NobleArc said $15
[06:48] <NobleArc> They only charged $20 CDN to my PayPal account. =P
[06:48] <Blissex> NobleArc: otherwise probably they really dont want to sell you the thing.
[06:48] <Tycho_Atreides> i dont doubt, 5200s are almost worthless
[06:48] <Blissex> NobleArc: they probably had say a dozen at that price, stock run out, and bye bye the rest.
[06:48] <NobleArc> They sold me a bunch of DVD+Rs and an ethernet switch a while back -- couldn't afford a router at the time, figured I'd deal with a software firewall.
[06:49] <billytwowilly> NobleArc, did you pay with credit card?
[06:49] <nasdaq> poor kei
[06:49] <nasdaq> what did he do?
[06:49] <NobleArc> eh, no.
[06:49] <NobleArc> PayPal.
[06:49] <billytwowilly> complain to paypal and get their paypal account frozen;)
[06:49] <knucks> ughhh
[06:49] <knucks> has anyone gotten realplayer to work in firefox?
[06:49] <NobleArc> bah.
[06:49] <NobleArc> too lazy.  I'll lose the cash.
[06:50] <billytwowilly> NobleArc, they'll deal quickly to unfreeze their paypal account.
[06:50] <NobleArc> eh, maybe.  Nothing I can do on the weekend, when I have a cold though.
[06:50] <NobleArc> >.<
[06:50] <NobleArc> I've only had two dealings with them. =\
[06:50] <billytwowilly> although I always pay credit card so I can reverse charges if they mess with me...
[06:50] <NobleArc> one alright -- and oh-so cheap! -- and one horrid. =(
[06:50] <BockBilbo> hello
[06:51] <BockBilbo> anyone here has installed wordpress in ubuntu from the apt universe repositories?
[06:51] <PotajiTo> wenas
[06:51] <billytwowilly> BockBilbo, I did a long time ago...
[06:51] <jae686> hi
[06:51] <NobleArc> I prefer getting wp from their website.
[06:51] <BockBilbo> billytwowilly, did you have to do any simlink from the apache root directory to /usr/share/worpress ?
[06:52] <jae686> how can i setup VNP ?
[06:52] <jae686> erm vpn
[06:52] <zverj> after booting from ubuntu cd, chrooting to fedora partition, /dev folder is empty. how to get it back?
[06:52] <knucks> my plugins folder is read + execute only
[06:52] <BockBilbo> NobleArc, did you have any probs doing that?
[06:52] <NobleArc> Nope.
[06:52] <knucks> how do i move two files into it?
[06:53] <billytwowilly> BockBilbo, I don't think so. I can't remember though, sorry
[06:53] <BockBilbo> billytwowilly, thanks anyways
[06:53] <NobleArc> I haven't done it in ages though.  It was annoying the first time, but I was following a guide. :P
[06:54] <BockBilbo> lol
[06:54] <BockBilbo> and one last question
[06:54] <BockBilbo> whats the best dinamic addressing domain server service?
[06:55] <NobleArc> ..dynamic.
[06:55] <NobleArc> and I don't know.
[06:55] <BockBilbo> i mean... smthing like no-ip.or
[06:55] <BockBilbo> *org
[06:56] <NobleArc> Still don't know.
[06:56] <zverj> HOW to get /dev folder working after chrooting?
[06:56] <NobleArc> Don't know.
[06:57] <andrewski> how do i kill a program so that it starts again?
[06:57] <tck> kill process_id
[06:57] <andrewski> zverj: what are you doing?
[06:57] <jae686> how do you get the process id ?
[06:57] <andrewski> tck: no, that will just kill it; i want it to start again.
[06:57] <tck> whats the program
[06:57] <andrewski> tck: xfce4-panel
[06:58] <NobleArc> kill program && program?
[06:58] <tck> pidof xfce4-panel
[06:58] <snowblink> andrewski: kill -HUP id
[06:58] <andrewski> snowblink: thanks, that's it.
[06:58] <Xenguy> NobleArc: if you don't know the answer, please don't offer confusing advice
[06:58] <NobleArc> m'kay. =(
[06:58] <andrewski> Xenguy: you're not saying that to tck too?  sheesh.
[06:58] <zverj> andrewski, my fedora crashed, i booted ubuntu cd, mounted partition, chrooted to it, now trying to grub-install but seems no /dev entries exist
[06:58] <CarlK> md5sum --check of hoary-install-i386.iso: OK, but the "check CD" option says /dist/hoary/main/binary-i386/packages fails - any idea whats going on?
[06:58] <andrewski> oh boy.
[06:59] <tck> andrewski, pidof gets the program ID
[06:59] <Xenguy> andrewski: I can't be everywhere at once ;-)
[06:59] <tck> as jae686 asked
[06:59] <chillywilly> hello ubuntuers
[06:59] <andrewski> Xenguy: NobleArc put a question mark after his and tck didn't even answer my question.  why not just stop criticising?
[06:59] <tck> andrewski, just because we dont answer your question, dont mean you have to get an attitude
[07:00] <NobleArc> @_@;;
[07:00] <andrewski> tck: i just didn't like the way Xenguy criticised NobleArc's input.
[07:00] <NobleArc> Score, someone's standing up for me. :P
[07:00] <NobleArc> lol.
[07:01] <andrewski> lol
[07:01] <JDahl> tck, how about "all we need is love"?
[07:02] <tck> ive retired ;)
[07:02] <Xenguy> My apologies -- I didn't mean to single anyone out.  My message was intended to convey that it's better to offer help when you know you can help.  A guess once in awhile is helpful, but not constantly.  That's all :-)
[07:02] <tck> kill -1 id is better
[07:02] <tck> does same as kill -HUP id
[07:02] <NobleArc> It hasn't /been/ constant, it was just once. :0
[07:02] <andrewski> Xenguy: i agree with NobleArc.
[07:02] <andrewski> Xenguy: but no sweat.
[07:02] <NobleArc> Score, someone agrees with me. ^^
[07:03] <NobleArc> brb, need more water.
[07:03] <Xenguy> NobleArc: I've apologized, so don't let it worry you any further.  It was not personal.
[07:03] <NobleArc> ^^
[07:03] <andrewski> tck: neither one works for me.  the program is frozen; is there something else i should try?
[07:03] <tck> kill -9 id , will totally kill the program
[07:03] <tck> no way to block it
[07:04] <tck> then restart it
[07:04] <tck> if everything else fails
[07:04] <cwillu> why must programs close automatically every 30 seconds?
[07:04] <Xenguy> cwillu: can you be more specific?
[07:04] <noddaba> I've used Debian for years, today was my first time installing Ubuntu (Warty).  WHen running Debian, I was using unstable sources.  Would the equivalent in Ubuntu be Hoary?
[07:04] <cwillu> well... I'll be working in mozilla, or synaptic, or what-have-you, and it'll close
[07:05] <cwillu> i.e., disappear, no error, simply cease to be open
[07:05] <Xenguy> noddaba: pretty much, except that I think of Hoary as Experimental ;-)
[07:05] <tck> noddaba, prob. yes
[07:05] <noddaba> Xenguy, heh.  so then I shouldn't try dling the Hoary install CD's?  (and what is Array-6, btw?)
[07:05] <cwillu> Laptop, hoary, although warty had the same problem
[07:06] <tck> noddaba, array-6 is instable would it be ?
[07:06] <tck> s/instable/unstable
[07:06] <Xenguy> cwillu: That is very broken behaviour (I've never seen that before actually).  You need to check logs to see what's going on.  Or try start a program from a terminal window (command-line) and see if any errors appear there.
[07:06] <cwillu> which logs?
[07:06] <noddaba> tck, eh?  Array-6 is unstable?
[07:07] <Xenguy> noddaba: I can't offer any specific advice about Hoary - I don't use it.  Some people do tho I hear.
[07:07] <andrewski> tck: thanks; kill -9 was the only thing that worked. ;)
[07:07] <Xenguy> cwillu: see /var/log/...
[07:07] <tck> noddaba, well its the latest test version before the pre-release
[07:07] <cwillu> thx
[07:08] <noddaba> tck, is "Array 6" the codename for Hoary?
[07:08] <Xenguy> cwillu: yw
[07:08] <tck> noddaba, nope hoary is the codename for hoary
[07:08] <noddaba> lol, ok, so I ask again.  What is "Array 6", i see it in the room title :)
[07:08] <tck> it will be release as 5.04 afaik
[07:09] <tck> year 2005, 4th month i.e. april release
[07:09] <snowblink> noddaba: Arrays are the names of the release candidates. Arrays of Hedghogs...
[07:09] <noddaba> Ahhhh
[07:09] <noddaba> snowblink, thanks :)
[07:09] <CarlK> trying to install hoary - both normal and server error with "load installer compents from CD" - anyone know how I can work around this?
[07:09] <tck> noddaba, think of it as a progress meter
[07:10] <rattboi> hey, I just installed k3b
[07:10] <cwillu> Xenguy:  is there a particular log file I should be looking at?
[07:10] <rattboi> is there a way to make qt look like gtk theme?
[07:11] <Quest-Master> rattboi: You could theme it and try to make it look like GTK, I suppose.
[07:11] <BockBilbo> no-one knows a good DDNS server?
[07:11] <tck> dyndns.org
[07:12] <Xenguy> cwillu: it depends on your application really, and on the type of problem.  You would need to explore a bit.  For example you could do 'ls -ltr' to see which files are most recent (appearing at the bottom of the screen).  If I were you tho, I'd open a terminal window, type 'mozilla' and then watch for any error messages to appear.  That would give you a starting point, maybe a few more clues.
[07:13] <cwillu> okay..., so keep doing what I've been doing
[07:13] <Xenguy> cwillu: /var/log/messages is a good general file to check, as is /var/log/syslog
[07:14] <cwillu> ya, ran into those two, didn't see anything specific to the programs I was running
[07:14] <cwillu> powernow:  This is indicative of a broken BIOS.
[07:14] <BockBilbo> thanks
[07:14] <Xenguy> cwillu: the truth is out there :-)
[07:15] <cwillu> so I've been told
[07:15] <cwillu> does this sound like broken bios behaviour?
[07:15] <jae686> does anyone knowswere i can get the fix for the baterry issue on asus M6N laptops?
[07:16] <cwillu> does sudo swallow output?
[07:16] <tck> jae686, you tried the wiki ?
[07:17] <knucks> how do i change my rootpassword?
[07:17] <tck> knucks, sudo passwd root
[07:17] <knucks> thanks tck
[07:17] <tck> cwillu, yes
[07:17] <knucks> tck: im on a fresh install now. all my stuffs gone :(
[07:18] <tck> if you have identified
[07:18] <cwillu> doh
[07:18] <tck> it should return 0
[07:18] <cwillu> i.e., if I do sudo synaptic I'm not going to see any output from synaptic
[07:18] <knucks> Im getting errors on k3bv
[07:19] <knucks> er, k3b
[07:19] <tck> cwillu, synaptic doesnt show errors in the shell anyways
[07:19] <knucks> Command 'kcmshell k3bsetup2 --lang en_US' not found
[07:20] <knucks> whats that mean
[07:20] <jae686> tck : y, i'm still seraching but found anything yet
[07:20] <cwillu> I'm trying to troubleshoot applications closing on their own
[07:20] <tck> s/erros/anything
[07:20] <cwillu> synaptic is only an example, but it has done it
[07:20] <devdude> Has anyone had problems with Synergy under Hoary? Cant connect to server.
[07:20] <rattboi> knucks, run it with sudo first
[07:20] <tck> cwillu, are you getting any errors or are you just saying
[07:20] <knucks> rattboi: run k3b w/ sudo?
[07:20] <rattboi> yeah
[07:20] <cwillu> Program (mozilla, nautilus, synaptic, etc) just closes
[07:20] <rattboi> I just did
[07:20] <rattboi> did you just install it?
[07:21] <tck> cwillu, are you using sudo
[07:21] <tck> try sudo -K
[07:21] <cwillu> yes, although not for mozilla
[07:21] <tck> then retry, sudo program and enter your pass
[07:21] <rattboi> wow, k3b rules
[07:21] <rattboi> took like 3 seconds, and I'm burning a DVD
[07:22] <knucks> I just got a long list of error for k3b
[07:22] <snowblink> cwillu: Is this recent? Does the same thing happen if you restart X?
[07:22] <knucks> but it did load
[07:22] <cwillu> ever since I installed ubuntu
[07:22] <cwillu> persists through reboots, updates, etc
[07:22] <snowblink> cwillu: hoary or warty?
[07:22] <cwillu> either, but I'm on hoary now
[07:22] <knucks> k3b: ERROR: filesharelist not found in /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin: /usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/sbin
[07:22] <knucks> k3b: WARNING: KGenericFactory: instance requested but no instance name passed to  the constructor!
[07:22] <knucks> k3b: ERROR: (K3bSongManager) Can't open file /root/.kde/share/apps/k3b/songlist. xml
[07:22] <cwillu> beware, I'm on a laptop,
[07:23] <knucks> last three errors on k3b
[07:23] <snowblink> cwillu: me too. I'm running warty though.
[07:23] <cwillu> I started with that, was getting the same issue
[07:23] <snowblink> cwillu: what's the load like?
[07:23] <rattboi> hmm
[07:23] <rattboi> dvd burning is really killing my system
[07:23] <cwillu> good question
[07:23] <rattboi> speedwise
[07:23] <rattboi> max cpu
[07:24] <snowblink> cwillu: also check your disk space.
[07:24] <cwillu> plenty... 20 gig partition, 1 gig swap
[07:24] <snowblink> cwillu: lots free?
[07:24] <snowblink> cwillu: I'd check your RAM next
[07:25] <cwillu> 512 mb... I'd be surprised
[07:25] <cwillu> or you mem memchk86
[07:25] <cwillu> mean
[07:25] <snowblink> cwillu: possibly bad RAM - just throwing out ideas
[07:26] <knucks> do my errors mean anything bad?
[07:26] <cwillu> could be, I've been suspicious before, but memchk always came back clear
[07:26] <snowblink> knucks: should you be running that as root?
[07:26] <knucks> i did
[07:26] <snowblink> knucks: why?
[07:27] <knucks> tck told me to
[07:27] <cwillu> memories at 94 in use/56 in cache
[07:27] <cwillu> load average 11%
[07:27] <CarlK> dd if=/dev/hdc of=hdc.iso, md5sum hdc.iso = bbaf920d5fba57a97c340cd83c6456e0 (what it should be) and yet the install is saying "fails md5sum check" -  - same CD works fine on a laptop
[07:27] <tck> tck told you to what
[07:27] <CarlK> oh yeah, still tryig to install hoary
[07:27] <tck> you asked me hwo to change the root pass, and i told you, sudo passwd root
[07:28] <lizdeika> anyone noticed 2D slowdown after hoary got xorg version 6.8.2 ?
[07:28] <andrewski> lizdeika: i've not noticed any slowdown.
[07:28] <cwillu> I'm seeing Gtk-CRITICAL **:  gtk-tree-view-unref-tree-helper: assertion 'node !=null' failed errors
[07:29] <knucks> no
[07:29] <cwillu> but its still runnign
[07:29] <knucks> like
[07:29] <knucks> i ran k3b
[07:29] <knucks> and i got errors
[07:29] <andrewski> knucks: you should not need to run k3b as root.
[07:29] <CarlK> woa... segfault in the install... anyone here want to debug this?
[07:29] <knucks> how do i start it up?
[07:29] <knucks> it wont show up in my apps meny
[07:29] <lizdeika> my 2.6gz with radeon 9600xt feels like 233mhz with s3 1mb video card. :/
[07:29] <knucks> menu*
[07:29] <andrewski> knucks: as your regular user.
[07:29] <snowblink> cwillu: that doesn't sound good...
[07:30] <andrewski> knucks: in a terminal window, run k3b.
[07:30] <knucks> ok
[07:30] <devdude> Anyone here using synergy?
[07:30] <knucks> but i still get errors in my terminal
[07:30] <andrewski> knucks: ok, what are they?
[07:30] <cwillu> m'thinks I'm going to rebuild, and if I don't get this working today, it's back to xp for another week
[07:30] <knucks> theres a lot
[07:30] <andrewski> knucks: #paste
[07:31] <andrewski> knucks: paste them there
[07:31] <andrewski> knucks: that looks like a problem with your icon theme.
[07:32] <cwillu> !!!!!!!!!!11
[07:32] <cwillu> everybloody one of my cd's are cracked!
[07:32] <cwillu> :(
[07:32] <Dr_willis> hmm
[07:32] <snowblink> cwillu: elephants?
[07:33] <cwillu> heh... no, I noticed about 5 or six whe I got my cd's in the mail
[07:33] <ompaul> cwillu, guess it is off down the shop and buy a new batch :(
[07:33] <cwillu> first one worked fine
[07:33] <cwillu> (i.e., the machine I'm typing on here was off that, no problems)
[07:33] <andrewski> knucks: so it looks like a problem with your icon theme; are you using the default?
[07:33] <cwillu> just looks like a stain on the surface;  almost like putting it in my laptop drive causes enough strain to kill them
[07:34] <knucks> i think so
[07:34] <andrewski> knucks: do you get that error in other apps?
[07:34] <knucks> hold on let me change to a different one
[07:34] <knucks> no
[07:34] <cwillu> still seems odd though, seeing as I did an upgrade
[07:34] <andrewski> knucks: and that keeps k3b from running?
[07:34] <cwillu> oh well... back to xp with me
[07:34] <knucks> nope
[07:34] <knucks> k3b still loads
[07:35] <andrewski> knucks: ok, then i wouldn't worry about it too much and i would go to #kde and ask about it.  but, you should be ok to run k3b.
[07:35] <knucks> ok
[07:35] <knucks> but k3b doesnt show up in my apps menu
[07:36] <andrewski> knucks: many apps don't; i would file a bugreport on bugzilla.ubuntu.org about it.
[07:36] <knucks> ko
[07:36] <knucks> ok
[07:36] <andrewski> knucks: you're in kde or gnome?
[07:36] <knucks> gnome
[07:36] <andrewski> knucks: ok, i'd mention that, because that may be the "reason"... albeit a bad one.
[07:36] <knucks> ok
[07:36] <knucks> so my next question..
[07:36] <knucks> i got two folders
[07:36] <knucks> how do i delete them through the terminal?
[07:37] <andrewski> knucks: rm name-of-folder
[07:37] <knucks> thanks
[07:37] <andrewski> knucks: sorry, rmdir
[07:37] <knucks> aight thanks
[07:37] <knucks> what if its not empty?
[07:37] <andrewski> knucks: if they have contents, you'll have to do rm -rf, but that will force remove everything in them, so only use it when you're sure of what you're doing.
[07:38] <andrewski> knucks: i wondered if you'd ask before i got done typing that. :)
[07:38] <cwillu> stupid windows
[07:38] <knucks> hah :D
[07:38] <andrewski> cwillu: ?
[07:38] <cwillu> explorer is _just_ about running so I can click on things
[07:38] <knucks> so rmdir -rf folder ?
[07:38] <andrewski> knucks: no, rm -rf folder
[07:38] <cwillu> need to do _something_ to burn an ubuntu cd, seeing as the pressed cd's are garbage :(
[07:38] <andrewski> knucks: rmdir only works if the dir is empty.
[07:39] <knucks> ahh ok
[07:39] <andrewski> cwillu: you just got them in the mail?
[07:39] <cwillu> 'bout a week ago
[07:39] <cwillu> first one seemed okay (but it was only used in a fairly slow tray cd drive
[07:39] <andrewski> cwillu: and they were cracked when you got them?
[07:40] <cwillu> well, they've been sitting upright on a shelf since then :)
[07:40] <cwillu> so I can only assume so
[07:40] <snowblink> cwillu: I think they're sending out hoary mid-april
[07:41] <cwillu> cd drive in my laptop's got one of those 'push it on the spindle' drives, so that may have exasperated the situation, but 6-7 never left the folders
[07:41] <cwillu> is there a bittorrent mirror for warty?
[07:42] <cwillu> neverind, I'm blind
[07:42] <Aivaras> :))
[07:42] <cwillu> and azereus...
[07:42] <LinuxJones> cwillu, >> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/warty/release/
[07:43] <cwillu> ompaul:  heh... that's what I thought
[07:44] <StoffBox-Steve> where are the PannelMenus storet on the harddrive?
[07:45] <CarlK> hoary install: Mar  5 13:36:12 main-menu[4976] : (process:10515): Segmentation fault  - last 177 lines of syslog with debugging turned on: http://paste.phpfi.com/53498
[07:45] <cwillu> and 2.5 megabits, here we go
[07:46] <ompaul> cwillu, I do expect the mouse of darkness other than that nothing too bad, I have an almost identical
[07:47] <cwillu> I first got worried when I saw "uninstalling gdm:  success!"
[07:47] <Venker> hi there
[07:48] <Aivaras> by
[07:49] <ompaul> reboot needed brb
[07:53] <drspin> Could anyone help me try and figure out why my sound isn't working?
[07:54] <Dr_willis> drspin,  often the sound volumes are totally muted. to begin with.
[07:54] <Dr_willis> drspin,  this a clean install?
[07:55] <drspin> Dr_willis: it is a hoary update from a fresh Warty install... on a Dual Celeron box --
[07:55] <CarlK> here aer some tips - if you have more, please get them added: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems
[07:55] <StoffBox-Steve> *arg* nautilus say applications:/// issnt a folder or file
[07:55] <airox> Is kernel-image-2.6-386 the default kernel off ubuntu warty ?
[07:55] <drspin> CarlK: thanks!!!
[07:55] <Dr_willis> Dual Celeron.. gesh i dident teven think that was possible...
[07:55] <danny666> hi@all
[07:55] <airox> hi danny666
[07:55] <drspin> Dr_willis: yup sure is :) an overfclockers dream!!! :) :)
[07:56] <danny666> could somebody help me with a sound problem
[07:56] <CarlK> drspin - don't get too excited until you get sound ;)
[07:56] <CarlK> here aer some tips - if you have more, please get them added: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems
[07:56] <CarlK> danny666  - don't get too excited until you get sound ;)
[07:56] <danny666> i have sound
[07:56] <danny666> but only 2 channels
[07:56] <airox> Which kernel would I have to install to get the improvements off a 686 machine ?
[07:57] <airox> kernel-image-2.6-686 ?
[07:57] <Blissex> airox: that's OK. The improvements are not massive, unless you are doing some specific stuff.
[07:58] <airox> Blissex: Would it be worth the risk off installing the kernel mentioned above ?
[07:58] <Blissex> airox: the risk is very low though.
[07:58] <snowblink> airox: I believe kernel* are debian kernels
[07:58] <StoffBox-Steve> *arg* nautilus say applications:/// issnt a folder or file << SOMEONE an idea why ? or where the Appmenus are so i can edit them ?
[07:58] <snowblink> airox: go for linux-686
[07:58] <Blissex> CarlK: I have already written a massive page on that: http://tinyurl.com/4ogk2#troubleshooting
[07:58] <airox> snowblink: hmm ...
[07:59] <airox> snowblink: Yep, you are right. But I also found kernel-image-2.6-686 as package names.
[07:59] <airox> And heh, I'm a debian guy :)
[08:00] <snowblink> airox: look for image* for ubuntu ones
[08:00] <airox> Btw, I read somewhere that ubuntu does have boot logo's, but not enabled by default. Is this true ?
[08:01] <airox> Or grub themes ../
[08:01] <snowblink> airox: not in warty
[08:01] <snowblink> airox: anyway, how often do you intend to reboot?
[08:01] <thekoreuk> if i keep up to date with synaptic am i updating from warty to hoary.. or do i need to re-install to get hoary :s ?
[08:01] <airox> Can I enable them ?
[08:01] <zenrox> airox,  ya not in warty and not in hoary either
[08:01] <airox> snowblink: It's not a server :)
[08:01] <zenrox> airox,  its not done yet
[08:02] <airox> hmm, oke to bad
[08:05] <drspin> I don't have lspnp :-/
[08:05] <Quest-Master> How do I change how my mouse looks?
[08:05] <Quest-Master> There are X11 Mouse themes at Gnome-Look, but I don't know how to change them
[08:06] <airox> I see ubuntu automagically adds the linux-686 kernel to the grub menu. Would I need to do anything more ?
[08:06] <airox> Or is there some documentation about this process ?
[08:07] <rattboi> who's running hoary?
[08:08] <rattboi> I can't seem to make a launcher on the desktop
[08:08] <rattboi> I go through the steps, and nothing happens
[08:09] <zenrox> rattboi,  have you restarted x
[08:09] <drspin> I just modprobe snd_pcm -- then aplay -l returns no soundcards found
[08:10] <lok_> Does someone know if a partition ext3 largefile  (1 inode by MB) can slow down the write speed on that partition ?
[08:12] <StoffBox-Steve> *ahh* can nobody tell me where the F********** Gnome menus are ?
[08:12] <rattboi> zenrox, no
[08:12] <rattboi> I need to?
[08:12] <rattboi> that's crazy
[08:12] <zenrox> rattboi,  you might
[08:13] <rattboi> yeah, they're there
[08:13] <rattboi> I have to restart X for that...
[08:13] <rattboi> stupid
[08:13] <zenrox> thats all you need to do then
[08:13] <Quest-Master> StoffBox-Steve: Hoary or Warty?
[08:13] <StoffBox-Steve> hoary upgradet form warty Quest-Master
[08:13] <rattboi> zenrox, can I restart X without restarting all apps?
[08:13] <zenrox> rattboi,  nope
[08:14] <rattboi> yeah, so that sucks
[08:14] <Quest-Master> StoffBox-Steve: Ok, which Gnome menus? The ones for the applications?
[08:14] <zenrox> alt+ crtl+ backspace is as best as it gets rattboi
[08:14] <rattboi> applications:/// in nautilus doesn't work anymore?
[08:14] <StoffBox-Steve> yes Quest-Master the default menu on the pannel i what to short it new
[08:14] <rattboi> how do I edit my gnome menu?
[08:14] <Quest-Master> rattboi: COrrect
[08:14] <universal> hello all, have i nice evening
[08:14] <zenrox> rattboi,  thats in hoary
[08:14] <StoffBox-Steve> no appli dosnt work for me ... says no floder or file
[08:15] <Quest-Master> There's a method of editing menus
[08:15] <Quest-Master> I can't remember, let me find it, one sec.
[08:15] <Zer0G> rattboi: u can create a *.desktop file manually
[08:15] <StoffBox-Steve> Quest-Master  my hero ;)
[08:15] <cwillu> and download done... can I make a cd without a crack in it?  We will see.....
[08:15] <zenrox> Quest-Master,  dont you have to make your desktop files in like some dir under /usr
[08:16] <Zer0G> it should be /usr/share something
[08:16] <zenrox> Zer0G,  ya something like that
[08:17] <cwillu> and a nice peaceful 8x burn...
[08:17] <lok_> Does someone know if a partition ext3 largefile  (1 inode by MB) can slow down the write speed on that partition ?
[08:17] <zenrox> lok_,  no it shouldent unless the hdd is compleatly filled
[08:18] <lok_> ok thanks zenrox
[08:18] <Quest-Master> It's actually pretty hard to do right now
[08:18] <Quest-Master> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=18034
[08:19] <StoffBox-Steve> thx for the link :)
[08:19] <Quest-Master> No problem
[08:19] <zenrox> StoffBox-Steve,  read the forums and learn to search them it has tones of info
[08:20] <cwillu> has anybody written a nice front-end for launching apps on a remote machine onto a local x server?
[08:20] <cwillu> i.e., instead of the remote xterm approach?
[08:20] <zenrox> cwillu, try doinf a ssh -Y -l yournick then.you.ip
[08:20] <zenrox> then type in the command
[08:21] <cwillu> dumb question, does that work out of the box, assuming that the x server itself will allow connections?
[08:21] <StoffBox-Steve> zenrox, dont tell me that, i know it ;) ... i use google 20min ... and im just frustrated ... the #gnome channel is ****
[08:22] <zenrox> StoffBox-Steve,  so it #nvidia
[08:22] <zenrox> it=is
[08:22] <zenrox> lol
[08:22] <StoffBox-Steve> :)
[08:22] <zenrox> thoes chanels expect you to RTFM!!
[08:22] <zenrox> witch i have
[08:22] <zenrox> lol
[08:23] <zenrox> cwillu,  yes
[08:23] <cwillu> so I shouldn't see "Connection refused?"  :p
[08:23] <Xenguy> cwillu: try it out - it should work.  If you need it to work cross-platform, a newish technology called FreeNX is one option worth exploring
[08:23] <Venker> someone knows when Hoary is bein stable (instead of Warty)?
[08:23] <ompaul> Venker, april
[08:23] <drspin> Venker -- April
[08:23] <Venker> ok, thanks
[08:23] <zenrox> cwillu,  no you shouldent see that
[08:24] <Xenguy> cwillu: for that error, checkout your /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[08:24] <Venker> I was waiting for March  ;)
[08:24] <cwillu> 'cause I see it :p
[08:24] <zenrox> cwillu,  do you have the ssh server set up on that bax
[08:24] <zenrox> bax=box
[08:24] <cwillu> that would be why I asked about "out of the box" :p
[08:24] <cwillu> heh
[08:24] <Xenguy> cwillu: you need to enable X forwarding I think
[08:24] <zenrox> Xenguy, i dont have that enabled
[08:24] <cwillu> I don't need to worry about encryption on the x itself
[08:25] <cwillu> i.e., I'm planning on running this over a tap/openvpn virtual network
[08:25] <cwillu> I've got the x session working to another machine
[08:25] <drspin> cwillu why not just VNC?
[08:25] <zenrox> cwillu,  then make shure the ssh server is installed on that box
[08:26] <cwillu> because vnc only gives you that picture-in-picture look
[08:26] <cwillu> I use vnc all the time, but what I really want is to mix local and remote on the same desktop, transparently
[08:26] <zenrox> cwillu,  another way is enable the xdmcp in the gdm and use tsclient to connect to it like you would and get a gdm login
[08:26] <cwillu> anybody here ever use citrix?
[08:27] <Xenguy> cwillu: just a suggestion in case yer still having problems at all: man sshd_config and read the section on 'X11Forwarding'
[08:27] <cwillu> :p
[08:27] <cwillu> I can get xterm up, I can start remote apps
[08:27] <snowblink> X Forwarding is enabled by default
[08:27] <cwillu> I want a nice front end for it, that's all,
[08:27] <cwillu> xnest, xdmcp et al is not what I'm looking for
[08:27] <zenrox> cwillu,  just an idea
[08:27] <cwillu> Citrix Program Neighborhood would be close though
[08:28] <cwillu> but I don't think you guys know what the heck I'm talking about :)
[08:28] <zenrox> i use ssh -Y -l  and i run my xchat thauru it
[08:28] <Xenguy> snowblink: if true, that is the opposite of Debian then (and I doubt it is a good idea actually - JMHO tho)
[08:28] <cwillu> but ssh is probably close enough to get started writing a front end
[08:28] <zenrox> cwillu,  you might find a front end on www.sf.net
[08:29] <zenrox> using ssh
[08:29] <snowblink> Xenguy: I was surprised too.
[08:29] <Xenguy> cwillu: you want to run windows apps remotely and serve them up to your linux system?  Or something different?
[08:29] <StoffBox-Steve> hmm i have both Gnome as Standart and KDE just for playing around :) .. but in Gnome must of the KDE symbols dosnt show up! any help for that ?
[08:29] <zenrox> as its underpinning
[08:30] <cwillu> I want to run linux apps remotely and serve them up to my linux desktop (i.e., not a dumb client)
[08:30] <snowblink> cwillu: ssh -X remoteprogram is probably the fastest way
[08:31] <cwillu> ya, that's what I'm thinking
[08:31] <ompaul> okay just went from warty to hoary in the main what I have used seems okay, just two comments and I will write these up later, the mouse has changed, this also happened to a box that was array 5 at startup and was upgraded yesterday, the second and more worrying one is the fact that there is no comment in /etc/apt/sources.list which points me to a `proper` hoary sources.list that might be useful and the second thing is the obvious fail
[08:31] <ompaul> ing of changing security.ubuntu.com these things just should not happen :) but other than that I am happy
[08:31] <zenrox> snowblink,  whats the full lay out for that
[08:31] <cwillu> next, is there an easy way to force X to only listen on a specific _adapter_?
[08:31] <Xenguy> cwillu: yes, that is the simplest/best idea
[08:31] <snowblink> zenrox: for what?
[08:31] <zenrox> snowblink,  the ssh -X
[08:32] <zenrox> whares the username ip of the box etc...
[08:32] <cwillu> I suppose all that's really neccessary is a link to a (for example) remote nautilus window containing the apps the user could run
[08:32] <snowblink> zenrox: ssh -X remotebox remoteprogram (more stuff if you're not using keys)
[08:32] <Xenguy> cwillu: did you say you had ssh -X working, or no?
[08:33] <snowblink> zenrox: A nice tip from Linux hacks was to set up a quick script. So I can type remotemachine -X remoteprogram
[08:33] <cwillu> no, but I had an xterm, I don't have two machines up at the moment
[08:33] <cwillu> but I am familiar with the concept
[08:33] <drspin> ssh -X remoteprogname user@host.ip.addy.here
[08:33] <zenrox> snowblink,  give me and exampole script
[08:33] <cwillu> and I'm also familiar with how an end user will be stumped by anything command line :p
[08:34] <snowblink> #!/bin/sh
[08:34] <snowblink> ssh `basename $0` $*
[08:34] <pebkac> had anyone had any corrupt cd problems with the kubuntu tests?
[08:34] <zenrox> snowblink,  paste it in a msg
[08:35] <snowblink> Then create symbolic links
[08:35] <snowblink> zenrox: that's it. ;)
[08:35] <zenrox> just 2 lines
[08:35] <cwillu> ....and we have a lockup (back to the laptop install)
[08:35] <Blissex> snowblink: read a bit more on how to write shell scripts :-)
[08:35] <snowblink> zenrox: yes
[08:35] <zenrox> shit
[08:35] <pebkac> every cd i've burned has been corrupt in the same spot.
[08:35] <zenrox> thats easy
[08:35] <cwillu> linux noacpi?
[08:35] <pebkac> ./docs/install/manual/en/ch03.html
[08:35] <pebkac> so i go in and remove it, and it STILL says it's corrupt in the same spot.
[08:36] <snowblink> Blissex: actually this is from the ORA Linux Hacks. What problem do you have with it?
[08:36] <shadeofgrey> hey everybody
[08:36] <shadeofgrey> i have a qwuedstion
[08:36] <cwillu> what's a qwuedstion?
[08:36] <Rocco> ask
[08:36] <Blissex> snowblink: several... and dont believe everything you read on the web or in OReilly books. There are so many ignoramuses out there.
[08:36] <zenrox> snowblink,  and the basename id assume = the pc's name
[08:36] <zenrox> or ip
[08:36] <shadeofgrey> is there any way to make xchat behave like mirc and allow multiple windows? because i can open lots of windows but it wont let me make them different sizes so i can see more than one at once
[08:37] <JDahl> shadeofgrey, right click channel tab, and "detach"?
[08:37] <snowblink> Blissex: okay, I'm guessing the first line is okay. How would you write the second?
[08:37] <shadeofgrey> and im at a phase in my current work schedule where i have to be able to see multiple windows at once
[08:37] <Blissex> snowblink: a better version would be: exec ssh "`basename \"$0\"" ${1+"$@"}
[08:37] <shadeofgrey> okay
[08:38] <Blissex> snowblink: a better version would be: exec ssh "`basename \"$0\"` ${1+"$@"}
[08:38] <Blissex> snowblink: a better version would be: exec ssh "`basename \"$0\"`" ${1+"$@"}
[08:38] <shadeofgrey> does anybody know whether mirc wil run on ubuntu thru wine
[08:38] <shadeofgrey> or is there an mirc clone available under a diffgerent name?
[08:38] <cwillu> why must I lock up?
[08:38] <Rocco> hey guys! hast anyone gdesklets running?
[08:38] <drspin> shadeofgray WHY would you want to run Mirc
[08:38] <Blissex> shadeofgrey: just use one of a million really good Linux IRC clients...
[08:39] <Quest-Master> X-Chat. \m/
[08:39] <shadeofgrey> okay so whats an AWESOME linuxc irc client?
[08:39] <zenrox> shadeofgrey, xchat
[08:39] <Quest-Master> X-Chat!
[08:39] <drspin> LOL
[08:39] <apokryphos> konversatioin
[08:39] <snowblink> zenrox: ln -s thatscript nameofremotehost
[08:39] <drspin> bitchX
[08:39] <apokryphos> *konversation
[08:39] <shadeofgrey> xchat isnt even mediocre
[08:39] <shadeofgrey> bitchx
[08:39] <shadeofgrey> that might work
[08:40] <Quest-Master> :P
[08:40] <rattboi> how do I install a theme?
[08:40] <Blissex> shadeofgrey: depends on what you regard as AWESOME. Ease of use? Power? lots of plugins? Cool/colored GUI
[08:40] <rattboi> I got one and had to compile it?
[08:40] <apokryphos> shadeofgrey: konversation is the way to go ;-).
[08:40] <rattboi> but now I don't know how to install it
[08:40] <Quest-Master> rattboi
[08:40] <Quest-Master> Really easy
[08:40] <drspin> I just use Gaim
[08:40] <shadeofgrey> cool color and gui with power to run customized scripts
[08:40] <cwillu> I lock up around "choose your location"
[08:40] <snowblink> Blissex: will take a look at that. Cheers,
[08:40] <cwillu> sometimes after, sometimes before
[08:40] <Quest-Master> Computer -> Desktop Preferences -> Theme
[08:40] <Quest-Master> Then, Install Theme
[08:40] <shadeofgrey> okay cant stand it another minute. must reboot into ubuntu
[08:40] <shadeofgrey> BRB
[08:41] <Quest-Master> And type in the directory of where you untarred the theme
[08:41] <rattboi> Quest-Master, I did that and pointed it to the theme .bz2
[08:41] <Blissex> shadeofgrey: also try Chatzilla under Mozilla/Firefox.
[08:41] <airox> Is there some package that provides some utilities for gnome in combo with bluetooth ?
[08:41] <Quest-Master> No
[08:41] <airox> :(
[08:41] <Quest-Master> Don't point it to the .bz2, rattboi
[08:41] <avirox> lol
[08:41] <avirox> hey
[08:41] <Quest-Master> Point it to the directory, rattboi
[08:41] <rattboi> ok
[08:41] <avirox> thought that was me talking
[08:41] <queuetue> Where is the "system bell sound" defined?  I want to replace the drum hit every time I hit tab in bash with something more subtle, but can't find the right setting in sounds...  The "whump" every time I use tab-completion is driving every onenuts.
[08:42] <avirox> where can i access the things i installed using synaptic?
[08:42] <airox> avirox: hehehe
[08:42] <rattboi> Quest-Master, didn't work...
[08:42] <rattboi> it won't let me just choose the folder
[08:42] <rattboi> it wants a file in the folder
[08:42] <apokryphos> avirox: from the menu, or from terminal or alt + F2
[08:42] <Quest-Master> rattboi: Click the index.theme
[08:43] <cwillu> I almost _want_ memchk86 to give me errors
[08:43] <avirox> what menu?
[08:43] <rattboi> Quest-Master, the message I got from the theme.bz2 before was "This theme is an engine, you ahve to compile it"
[08:43] <avirox> also i dont see it in the "run progra" thignie
[08:43] <rattboi> so I did "./configure, make, make install"
[08:43] <avirox> *thingie
[08:43] <Quest-Master> rattboi: Oh, never mind then.. no idea on how to do engines, hehe
[08:43] <apokryphos> avirox: what are you trying to run?
[08:43] <rattboi> it definitely was doing stuff, because I had to get the gtk+ dev packages
[08:43] <avirox> xmms and wine
[08:43] <avirox> none of them are in "run program"
[08:44] <cwillu> pass:  2%
[08:44] <rattboi> avirox, xmms is easy
[08:44] <avirox> but i installed them through synaptic
[08:44] <rattboi> synaptic, yeah
[08:44] <pebkac> ew, xmms.
[08:44] <cwillu> oo!!  3%!!!
[08:44] <apokryphos> avirox: if you install xmms, then alt + f2 will certainly turn up xmms
[08:44] <apokryphos> avirox: wine works by running it with ohter things; i.e. a Windoze .exe
[08:44] <avirox> how can i access wine tho
[08:45] <apokryphos> by opening the program with wine...
[08:45] <queuetue> Please, someone - how do I replace the "system bell" sound?
[08:45] <andrewski> someone said there was xfce 4.2 in hoary, but i don't see it.  can anyone confirm?
[08:45] <Quest-Master> queuetue: Easy. Hoary or Warty?
[08:45] <queuetue> Quazion, Hoary
[08:45] <queuetue> Quest-Master, Hoary.
[08:46] <Quest-Master> Ok
[08:46] <apokryphos> I don't see it there
[08:46] <Quest-Master> System -> Preferences -> Sound
[08:46] <Quest-Master> System Bell
[08:46] <Quest-Master> queuetue: Then change it from there
[08:46] <queuetue> Quest-Master, You can't change it there.
[08:47] <Quest-Master> You can't?
[08:47] <queuetue> Quest-Master, Or at least *my* install doesn't let me change it there...
[08:47] <Quest-Master> Let me check
[08:47] <apokryphos> There might be an extra repository with it in "testing" running around, but it doesn't seem to be in any of the main ones.
[08:47] <queuetue> Quest-Master, (you are the fifth person to tell meot change it there.)
[08:47] <Quest-Master> Wow, looks like they removed it queutue
[08:47] <Quest-Master> *queuetue
[08:47] <Quest-Master> Sorry
[08:47] <Quest-Master> :\
[08:48] <queuetue> Quest-Master, So ... How do I change it?  whump whump whumop ...  How do the rest of you stand it?
[08:48] <Quest-Master> queuetue: I just turn it off
[08:48] <cwillu> any suggestions if the cd installer crashse?
[08:48] <avirox> hmm ok i still cant fine Wine lol
[08:49] <avirox> i found xmms
[08:49] <avirox> is wine in /usr/bin or sommit?
[08:49] <cwillu> I've tried noapic/nolapic/noapci in all their permutations
[08:49] <queuetue> Quest-Master, Gah.  I was hoping I could put in a simple, subtle click or a quiet ding...
[08:49] <CarlK> queuetue - never ending drums on startup?
[08:49] <queuetue> CarlK, No, the system bell - can't figure out how to change it.
[08:50] <CarlK> queuetue - ah - my warty install has a problem playing .wav - it loops forever
[08:51] <CarlK> so on boot, there is something like startup.wav that must be 2 seconds of bongos, but it loops
[08:51] <paperclip> CarlK: heh.. that's humane =)
[08:52] <shadeofgrey> okay guys
[08:52] <shadeofgrey> i installed bitchx - but it didnt put any icons anywhere on my system
[08:52] <paperclip> i'd like to figure out why my samsung ml-4500 doesn't work for crap.. i really need to print some stuff..
[08:52] <shadeofgrey> so how the hell do i run it?
[08:52] <shadeofgrey> im not even sure where everything was installed
[08:53] <paperclip> shadeofgrey: open a terminal
[08:53] <CarlK> it wound;t be so bad, but it is what I setup for my gf to use for school, and she doesn't exactly like the bongos
[08:53] <shadeofgrey> paperclip:  i have one too.  you just have to set it in printing prefs it should work fine
[08:53] <paperclip> shadeofgrey: an ml-4500?  i've tried setting it up a few times.. with both 300 and 600 dpi
[08:53] <pebkac> er.
[08:53] <shadeofgrey> paperclip:  your talking a samsung ml-4500 right?
[08:53] <pebkac> bitchx won't put icons anywhere; it's a terminal app.
[08:54] <shadeofgrey> it has NO icons or anything?
[08:54] <paperclip> shadeofgrey: type `which bitchx`
[08:54] <shadeofgrey> how gay is that
[08:54] <pebkac> ...
[08:54] <pebkac> see, back before the magical world of GUI, we had this thing called the console.
[08:54] <paperclip> shadeofgrey: yes.. samsung ml-4500 ... yours works perfectly, eh?
[08:54] <pebkac> and what we would do is, we would run this magical command called "screen."
[08:54] <andrewski> pebkac: lol
[08:54] <paperclip> hmm.. maybe i can force a reinstall of cups..
[08:54] <pebkac> and could load up all sorts of enchanting little programs.
[08:55] <pebkac> one of these being "BitchX"
[08:55] <shadeofgrey> paperclip:  hang on
[08:55] <pebkac> you don't need icons in a console, hence the lack of icons.
[08:55] <paperclip> pebkac: you could have icons tho.. for some people..
[08:55] <pebkac> you can make one, fairly simply.
[08:56] <paperclip> i know that..
[08:56] <pebkac> there's really no logical reason to create an icon for bitchx when you have xhcat, sirc, et. al. for GUI chat.
[08:56] <paperclip> =)
[08:56] <shadeofgrey> hey paper -- i forgot to tell you.  samsung actually has a linux driver for the ml-4500
[08:57] <paperclip> why do people use ubuntu without gnome..
[08:57] <shadeofgrey> i havent the slightest clue
[08:57] <apokryphos> paperclip: so we can use kde
[08:57] <andrewski> paperclip: or xfce
[08:57] <paperclip> shadeofgrey: i tried the ppd file from linuxprinting.org
[08:57] <shadeofgrey> kde is the desert platter of window managers by far..,  and far harder to use
[08:57] <paperclip> heh..
[08:57] <ibo> hi i need help on grub, i installed 4.10 (warty), but it messed up my win2k pro. it wont boot on (HD0,0) :(
[08:57] <paperclip> <war type="holy">
[08:57] <shadeofgrey> paperclip:  no.  i gor my driver direct from samsung.com
[08:58] <apokryphos> shadeofgrey: err.. yeah, sure.
[08:58] <paperclip> shadeofgrey: you mean their hacked ghostscript?
[08:58] <shadeofgrey> negative
[08:58] <andrewski> ibo: what's your menu.lst file look like?
[08:58] <andrewski> can you post the windows lines?
[08:58] <shadeofgrey> theres an actual .tar.gz archived driver
[08:59] <ompaul> can anyone name a wav player that I can use on the command line please
[08:59] <ibo> where can i find the menu.lst?
[08:59] <andrewski> ibo: should be in /boot
[08:59] <andrewski> ompaul: mplayer?
[08:59] <ibo> wait
[08:59] <apokryphos> alsaplayer, I believe, too.
[08:59] <shadeofgrey> wow
[08:59] <shadeofgrey> bitchx blows
[08:59] <paperclip> aplay
[09:00] <shadeofgrey> okay what are my other choices again?
[09:00] <andrewski> shadeofgrey: for CLI?
[09:00] <ibo> first line says, title           Windows NT/2000/XP
[09:00] <paperclip> for console clients?
[09:00] <shadeofgrey> i want something as close to mirc as possible
[09:00] <paperclip> irssi
[09:00] <ibo> root            (hd0,0)
[09:00] <paperclip> xchat
[09:00] <ibo> savedefault
[09:00] <ibo> makeactive
[09:00] <ibo> chainloader     +1
[09:00] <ibo> thats it
[09:00] <ompaul> thanks
[09:00] <apokryphos> shadeofgrey: wasn't mirc pretty ugly?
[09:00] <Zugot> shadeofgrey, you lost all credibility when you mentioned mirc
[09:00] <shadeofgrey> apokryphos:  but it was functional!
[09:01] <Zugot> try xchat
[09:01] <Zugot> or sirc
[09:01] <andrewski> shadeofgrey: so is xchat. ;)
[09:01] <shadeofgrey> and the script i used for it kicked serious ass
[09:01] <Zugot> xchat works
[09:01] <apokryphos> shadeofgrey: there are several functional irc clients on linux, and better ones, I might add. Konversation is my favourite, as I mentioned before.
[09:01] <shadeofgrey> peace and protection 4.22 by misspai is the best mirc scriptever created
[09:01] <Zugot> and xchat has a CLI version i belive...
[09:01] <apokryphos> others include Kopete, gaim, irssi (command-line) etc..
[09:01] <Rocco> hey guys! what could be wrong, when i2c_sensor couldn't be loadet on startup
[09:02] <ibo> how do i repair it so that i can boot on windows?
[09:02] <shadeofgrey> can i connect to more than one network with xchat?
[09:02] <pebkac> oh, yeah.  i always forget that kopete and gaim have irc built-in.
[09:02] <andrewski> shadeofgrey: i don't know that (m)any know which script you're talking about....
[09:02] <apokryphos> shadeofgrey: obviously
[09:02] <pebkac> i don't know of an irc client for linux that WON'T let you connect to more than one server.
[09:02] <andrewski> ibo: i dunno, that looks ok to me.  you're sure it's on the first partition?
[09:02] <Zugot> Shachar, of course...
[09:02] <Zugot> er shadeofgrey of course
[09:02] <shadeofgrey> okay so i hit the detach button
[09:03] <andrewski> ibo: how about rootnoverify instead of root?
[09:03] <andrewski> ibo: try that.
[09:03] <ibo> yes.. i installed it on MBR.. it says pretty safe.. but it wasnt
[09:03] <shadeofgrey> now i can use the other status window to connect to another network or does that stataus window have to remain active?
[09:03] <andrewski> shadeofgrey: i connect to multiple networks in the same window. ;)
[09:03] <ant123> I've got a few questions about hoary
[09:03] <ibo> whats the diff with root and rootnoverify?
[09:04] <andrewski> ibo: i don't remember, except that i have rootnoverify. :)
[09:04] <ibo> ok letme try that. thanks
[09:04] <ant123> Is there a gui way of mounting drives?
[09:05] <apokryphos> ant123: you probably can with nautilus; I know you can with konqueror.
[09:05] <kaos> Is there a depository for limewire
[09:05] <apokryphos> kaos: no; you have to download it from their site. Easiest instalaltion you can imagine.
[09:06] <zenrox> kaos,  read www.ubuntuguide.org for installing limewire
[09:06] <apokryphos> *installation
[09:06] <ant123> I haven't found a way of doing it... If it doesn't exist I think there is a gap...
[09:06] <Xenguy> ant123: I don't use the default file manager (Nautilus?) but isn't it able to do this?
[09:07] <ant123> Its a bit strange that you can mount a ssh drive - but not a local one...
[09:07] <ant123> No nautilus seems not to have that functionality unless I haven't seen it
[09:07] <Xenguy> ant123: krusader (a KDE file manager in the 'commander' dual-pane style BTW) will do this, for example
[09:08] <ant123> Sure I've come from Mandrake - and it had the functionality in a couple of places
[09:08] <paperclip> hmm.. this samsung printer installer is evil..
[09:08] <Xenguy> ant123: someone here will know how to do it
[09:09] <Xenguy> ant123: or perhaps the web site FAQs?
[09:10] <andrewski> ant123: what are you trying to do?
[09:11] <CarlK> more hoary install woes: Mar  5 15:10:29 anna[10510] : WARNING **: parser_rfc822: Iek! Don't find end of field, it seems to be after the end of the line!
[09:11] <CarlK> last 494 lines of syslog: http://paste.phpfi.com/53516
[09:11] <ant123> just want to mount a drive with the gui - I know how to do it on the command prompt but want a ui way to do it.
[09:11] <ant123> Using array-6
[09:12] <CarlK> ant123 - look under Computer, drives
[09:12] <CarlK> (i think...)
[09:13] <andrewski> ant123: the rox filer can do that.
[09:13] <kaos> what cd recording utilities are good for linux
[09:13] <paperclip> well.. that didn't help
[09:13] <andrewski> kaos: k3b is the best.
[09:13] <steve_> tritium: what is up?
[09:14] <andrewski> ant123: in nautilus, under computer, do you see the command "mount volume" in the right-click menu?
[09:16] <CarlK> anyone got any long shots so I can get the install to install?
[09:16] <ant123> Don't see it I'm on the live cd -perhaps I need the installed version
[09:18] <cwillu> I lock up at Choose Your Location
[09:18] <cwillu> why?
[09:18] <andrewski> ant123: i don't see why.
[09:18] <cwillu> pci=noacpi doesn't help, nor does noapic,nolapic
[09:19] <CarlK> cwillu - try: linux DEBCONF_DEBUG=5
[09:19] <cwillu> ty
[09:20] <cwillu> no diff
[09:20] <CarlK> cwillu - alt F2, enter,
[09:20] <CarlK> and look at /var/log/syslog
[09:20] <cwillu> no response
[09:20] <CarlK> alt f3 or 4?
[09:21] <cwillu> hmm... made it to detecting hardware this time
[09:21] <cwillu> ....and lock
[09:21] <cwillu> nope
[09:23] <CarlK> bummer
[09:24] <cwillu> I can reliably get to the language selection, sometimes to the country selection
[09:24] <CarlK> also bummer, the Feb14 hoary is installing, the march 3 and today's gets stuck
[09:24] <CarlK> anyone want some details?
[09:24] <cwillu> hmm... if I pause before I do anything at each stage (i.e., several seconds), it seems to work
[09:24] <ibo> ppl.. ubuntu messed up my windows. it wont boot anymore.. it throws an error "unknown partition 0x7" or something like that
[09:25] <ibo> installed grub on MBR bec it said it was safe
[09:25] <cwillu> heh
[09:25] <cwillu> you have a windows boot disk?\
[09:25] <airox> Does anybody know which programs I need for using the grps connection on my phone for internet transport ?
[09:25] <cwillu> I believe fdisk /f or something like that does it
[09:25] <ant123>  The other thing I can't find is a way of creating a symbolic link to a directory using nautalis
[09:26] <ant123> It is easy enough to do it in the command line. Or create a symbolic link to a file.
[09:27] <nasdaq> toy need to run
[09:27] <cwillu> don't lock up don't lock up
[09:27] <nasdaq> fdisk /mbr
[09:27] <cwillu> thanks :)
[09:27] <nasdaq> you need to update your master boot record with windows boot system
[09:27] <Echylo> fixmbr
[09:28] <Echylo> if you boot the XP cd
[09:28] <Echylo> :p
[09:28] <Echylo> fixboot & fixmbr
[09:28] <nasdaq> or use the boot cd
[09:28] <nasdaq> with windows
[09:28] <nasdaq> but clean install
[09:28] <ibo> i dont have cds or rescue disks :P
[09:28] <cwillu> well....
[09:28] <avirox> how do i stop programs wiith ubuntu?
[09:28] <cwillu> doesn't help, but perhaps you shouldn't have been trying an install then :p
[09:29] <avirox> like, how do i access the task manager
[09:29] <avirox> hehe
[09:29] <cwillu> find another machine to make a boot disk from
[09:29] <eyequeue> avirox:  what?
[09:29] <avirox> you know
[09:29] <avirox> task manager
[09:29] <avirox> like in windows
[09:29] <Echylo> avirox, open terminal
[09:29] <Echylo> type top
[09:29] <eyequeue> avirox:  no i don't know
[09:29] <avirox> IE "end program"
[09:29] <Echylo> and press enter
[09:29] <cwillu> or continue into the world of ubuntu, find a floppy image and ake a disk that way
[09:29] <andrewski> avirox: gnome system monitor
[09:29] <Echylo> or that ^
[09:29] <avirox> err
[09:29] <avirox> where is that located?
[09:30] <Echylo> you have 2 menu's
[09:30] <eyequeue> avirox:  you can send a signal 15
[09:30] <Echylo> search :)
[09:30] <Echylo> or signal 9
[09:30] <andrewski> avirox: should be under applications | system...
[09:30] <eyequeue> avirox:  how did you start the program?
[09:30] <ibo> tsk.. if ubuntu cant do dual boot correctly, how is it gonna be adopted :~(
[09:30] <cwillu> it usually does
[09:30] <avirox> and now my bar is gone
[09:30] <avirox> joy lol
[09:31] <cwillu> and in fact it's quite possible to use winxp's bootloader to boot into it
[09:31] <eyequeue> avirox:  bar?
[09:31] <cwillu> ibo:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WindowsDualBootHowTo/view?searchterm=dual%20boot
[09:31] <Vishaakje> Is there an easy way to set up an folder where someone from my workgroup can upload onto using samba?
[09:32] <andrewski> ibo: #grub
[09:32] <ibo> cwillu.. thanks. ive been reading that
[09:32] <ibo> but no dice
[09:32] <cwillu> which method are you trying?
[09:32] <avirox> not the bar
[09:32] <avirox> the panel
[09:32] <avirox> my panel is blank
[09:32] <avirox> :/
[09:32] <eyequeue> avirox:  what are you doing there?
[09:33] <avirox> tryignt o browse my opened programs?
[09:33] <avirox> heh
[09:33] <eyequeue> avirox:  i don't understand
[09:33] <phosphorgreen> hey guys. I'm trying to get procmail to spamfilter my inbound mail. for some reason postfix seems to be ignoring my .procmailrc, any ideas why?
[09:33] <jay_> hi folks, sorry for the newbieish question but is there a simple 32 bit chroot command like suse's "linux32" ?
[09:34] <avirox> brb time to reboot lol
[09:34] <ibo> the prob is , i already installed it, it already messed up windows. i need a way to fix it so that it will boot windows properly. do u guys i think i can "repair" it and have my windows running again w/o reinstalling?
[09:34] <cwillu> find a windows boot disk, and run fdisk /mbr
[09:34] <cwillu> that will restore the standard windows bootloader, which will work
[09:35] <ibo> oks.. i guess thats the only way. thanks
[09:35] <cwillu> you might want to follow step three off that page first
[09:35] <cwillu> that way you can get back into ubuntu
[09:35] <cwillu> fdisk /mbr isn't destructive
[09:35] <cwillu> (except to grub et al)
[09:36] <avirox> gah
[09:36] <Vishaakje> Is there a program in ubuntu to set up share points for samba? Or do I need to dig into the config files?
[09:36] <avirox> i dont see my processes in my panel
[09:36] <Vishaakje> I know for osx there's a program called sharepoints to do this trick
[09:37] <HcE> Vishaakje: the notation in smb.conf is pretty easy and strait forward
[09:37] <avirox> how do i get my panel back to normal?
[09:37] <avirox> hehe
[09:37] <ibo> can ubuntu open a .deb file?
[09:37] <cwillu> heh
[09:37] <cwillu> yes
[09:37] <Seveas> sure ibo
[09:37] <cwillu> deb is the native form
[09:37] <HcE> Vishaakje: I think you have some tools you can run through a webserver on localhost
[09:37] <eyequeue> ibo:  defife Open"
[09:37] <cwillu> pdkg -i your.deb
[09:37] <eyequeue> ibo:  define "open"
[09:38] <cwillu> I believe
[09:38] <ibo> well run it and install it
[09:38] <eyequeue> cwillu:  that will install it
[09:38] <HcE> Vishaakje: check if you can install "swat"
[09:38] <cwillu> and that's what he wants
[09:38] <cwillu> :p
[09:38] <HcE> Vishaakje: or use webmin-samba
[09:38] <eyequeue> cwillu:  how could you know that?
[09:38] <cwillu> he said it
[09:38] <Vishaakje> thanks, I'll check it out
[09:38] <eyequeue> cwillu:  he said "open"
[09:39] <Seveas> ibo: in a shell type: dpkg -i filename.deb
[09:39] <cwillu> and then said "well run it and install it"
[09:39] <Seveas> of course, replace filena.deb with the actual filename
[09:39] <ibo> seveas.. thanks
[09:39] <eyequeue> cwillu:  after you'd answered
[09:39] <cwillu> :p
[09:39] <cwillu> I'm also a damn good poker player
[09:39] <airox> Is there something like hyperterminal for linux ?
[09:39] <airox> (hyperterminal like the one in windows)
[09:39] <andrewski> airox: what's hyperterminal?
[09:39] <bagpuss_thecat> isn't ubuntu supposed to abstract the whole command line stuff away from users?
[09:40] <bzbb> whats the best way to make a disk image?
[09:40] <andrewski> bagpuss_thecat: to an extent, but that'd be diminishing its usability. :)
[09:40] <bzbb> of a CD
[09:40] <bagpuss_thecat> what's the point in providing nice shiny frontends for things when our advice always reverts back to the CLI?
[09:40] <airox> I need to check if my telephone responds over bluetooth :)
[09:40] <Chipzz> airox: screen /dev/ttyS* ?
[09:40] <bagpuss_thecat> can't synaptic handle individual .deb files?
[09:40] <airox> Sending AT commands and hopefully seeing OK
[09:40] <ibo> bagpuss.. i guess its not yet there
[09:40] <cwillu> the front ends are just that:  front-ends for the cli.  In many cases, any gui would revert to being a text editor if it provided the full power of the cli
[09:41] <ibo> bagpuss.. only in  knoppix in my experience
[09:41] <Seveas> bagpuss_thecat, not everything can be done with a GUI yet
[09:41] <andrewski> airox: that's what hyperterminal would do?
[09:41] <bzbb> it easier to explain how do do something over the command line
[09:41] <ibo> airox.. zmodem
[09:41] <bagpuss_thecat> cwillu: yes true... but just to install a basic .deb file doesn't take voodoo cli majik
[09:41] <Chipzz> airox: but why would you use hypterminal? it's horribly outdated
[09:41] <cwillu> it's also easier to explain in a text-based medium
[09:41] <airox> Does it matter ?
[09:41] <Seveas> bagpuss_thecat, "dpkg -i filename.deb" isn't really magic...
[09:42] <Chipzz> unless you want to debug your modem connecten
[09:42] <airox> That's the thing I'm doing ..
[09:42] <bzbb> its far easier to say type apt-get install foo than to say open synaptic, navigate to package foo, right clack, select mark install, then, click apply
[09:42] <Chipzz> airox: you know, this is 2005... you have programs that can dial in for you you know :P
[09:42] <bagpuss_thecat> Seveas: ime, most ex-windows people freak out at having to revert to 'DOS' to do anything
[09:42] <airox> That's not what I intend to do in this stage yet ;)
[09:42] <JDahl> and it's really useful to be able to update machines via ssh, or install stuff without X
[09:43] <Chipzz> airox: you want to dial to some bbs? :)
[09:43] <cwillu> most windows people, in all honesty, freak out at any configuration at all
[09:43] <ibo> the "klik" installer for knoppix is what really needed for all this distros
[09:43] <Seveas> bagpuss_thecat, agreed, but sometimes you have to :)
[09:43] <airox> I want to use my phone as a gateway :)
[09:43] <bagpuss_thecat> the end-user that Ubuntu appears to be aimed at appears to be the sort that have come from Windows, and as such would prefer pointy clicky things
[09:43] <andrewski> bagpuss_thecat: and yet, that's what you have to do past a certain level in windows too.  look at any microsoft support sites...
[09:43] <airox> With the help of bluetooth.
[09:43] <bagpuss_thecat> Seveas: yeah, unfortunately that is the case
[09:43] <Seveas> bagpuss_thecat, if you don't like it: write a gui ;)
[09:44] <djp> has anybody else here experienced problems with OpenOffice running under Warty? After a few minutes my system completely stops responding and I have to physically reboot to get the system working again! Help!
[09:44] <bagpuss_thecat> Seveas: I use kpackage when installing single .deb files, and when I don't want to scare people
[09:44] <cwillu> unfortunately, people here about the infinite configurability of linux when they come from windows, and immediate dive in to trying to do complicated things
[09:44] <ctr> JDahl: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[09:44] <Seveas> kpackage, kde stuff right?
[09:44] <bagpuss_thecat> normally though _I_ use dpkg myself
[09:44] <Seveas> so not available in standard Ubuntu :)
[09:44] <bagpuss_thecat> Seveas: yeah, I'm a KDE fanboy :-) although I'm sure similar exists for gnome
[09:44] <knucks> how do i install thunderbird?
[09:45] <cwillu> synaptic, search for thunderbird, install, apply :p
[09:45] <bzbb> <3 dd
[09:45] <Seveas> knucks, open the synaptic package manager, search for thunderbird, select it and click apply to install it
[09:45] <cwillu> happy  bagpuss_thecat?
[09:45] <bagpuss_thecat> cwillu: ecstatic :-D
[09:45] <cwillu> :p
[09:45] <Echylo> hahaha
[09:45] <Echylo> lovely joke
[09:45] <Echylo> < robT> Name ONE thing that your windows comp can do that my MAC cant
[09:45] <Echylo> < bawss> Right click.
[09:45] <Seveas> (or in one line of shell: sudo apt-get install thunderbird)
[09:45] <Chipzz> Echylo: :)
[09:45] <kaos> I tried to install limewire but got this:  root@ubuntu:/home/fred/Desktop/installs # sh ./LimeWireLinux.bin
[09:45] <kaos> Preparing to install...
[09:45] <kaos> Extracting the installation resources from the installer archive...
[09:45] <kaos> Configuring the installer for this system's environment...
[09:45] <kaos> Launching installer...
[09:45] <andrewski> Echylo: lol
[09:45] <kaos> /usr/lib/jdk1.1/lib/i686/green_threads/libzip.so: symbol errno, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference (libzip.so)
[09:45] <kaos> Class not found: com.zerog.lax.LAX
[09:45] <kaos> root@ubuntu:/home/fred/Desktop/installs #
[09:45] <knucks> thanks man
[09:46] <knucks> whats a good program for p2p?
[09:46] <bzbb> kaos, plz don't flood
[09:46] <Xenguy> knucks: gtk-gnutella
[09:46] <bzbb> kaos, use http://www.pastebin.com/
[09:46] <knucks> good speeds?
[09:47] <Funraiser> knuck >>azureus
[09:47] <knucks> im on 4mbps cable
[09:47] <bagpuss_thecat> knucks: bittorrent has always served me well
[09:47] <Xenguy> knucks: it works for me, that's about all I can tell you - YMMV
[09:47] <bagpuss_thecat> dfunno if ubuntu has a bittorrent client though
[09:47] <bzbb> bagpuss_thecat, it does
[09:47] <bzbb> btdownload-gui, iirc
[09:47] <bagpuss_thecat> funky
[09:48] <Funraiser> well you can install azureus easily on ubuntu with ubuntuguide.org
[09:48] <bagpuss_thecat> bzbb: normallly I run bittorrent inside screen on my homedir server :-p
[09:49] <bzbb> then, use btdownload
[09:49] <shock> where dou you find the torrents?
[09:49] <Funraiser> on google
[09:49] <shock> narf, ok
[09:49] <bagpuss_thecat> btdownloadmanycurses rocks :-)
[09:49] <Funraiser> seriously
[09:49] <Echylo> I dun't get that command?
[09:49] <Echylo> they always say that
[09:49] <bzbb> Funraiser, I get them from the ubuntu mirrors
[09:49] <Echylo> btdownloadmanycurses
[09:50] <Funraiser> bzbb what do u mean?
[09:50] <bagpuss_thecat> Echylo: just ignore anything I say about bittorrent :-p
[09:50] <bzbb> Funraiser, thats where I get torrents
[09:50] <cwillu> speaking of poker...
[09:51] <Echylo> owkey
[09:51] <cwillu> I am tremendously happy that pokerstars runs well under wine :)
[09:51] <Echylo> I use bittornado too
[09:51] <Echylo> but I don't get the curses thing
[09:51] <Echylo> ow btw
[09:51] <Funraiser> bzbb example?
[09:51] <ibo> is there no linux port for bitcomet?
[09:51] <Echylo> why is there a help file for KDE in my gnome menu
[09:51] <Echylo> damn
[09:51] <Echylo> lets remove you
[09:52] <shock> i usually run gnome-bittorrent @ times and mostly just btdownloadcurses
[09:52] <Echylo> hey hey
[09:52] <Echylo> I don't get it!
[09:52] <Echylo> launching terminal to find out
[09:52] <shock> Echylo - this whole kde-stuff-in-gnome-menu gets on my nerves, too
[09:52] <ant123> bitcomet is closed source
[09:53] <Echylo> not that hard shock
[09:53] <Echylo> right click & remove this item
[09:53] <Echylo> :)
[09:53] <ant123> I use Bittornado with the btdownloadmanycurses.py
[09:53] <Echylo> stop it
[09:53] <Echylo> somebody explain me what the btdownloadmanycurses thing is
[09:53] <bzbb> how do I mount a CD image?
[09:53] <Echylo> please
[09:54] <shock> lol - actually i just simply dont use the menu anymore :P
[09:54] <shock> mount /cdrom
[09:54] <knucks> im trying to install azureus
[09:54] <bzbb> I generally launch my gui apps from a console
[09:54] <knucks> err
[09:54] <knucks> limewire
[09:54] <knucks> but i cant
[09:54] <knucks> it skips step 6 on the ubuntuguide
[09:54] <goldfish_> USE FLUXBOX!
[09:54] <ibo> whats the cd burner in ubuntu?
[09:54] <CarlK> bzbb - mount -o loop foo.iso /mnt/iso
[09:54] <Echylo> who we have here
[09:55] <bzbb> CarlK, thanks
[09:55] <cwillu> hoary, here we go...
[09:55] <Echylo> lol
[09:55] <Echylo> gl
[09:55] <CarlK> (you will need to make /mnt/iso
[09:55] <cwillu> ty
[09:55] <Funraiser> bzbb how you do that? torrent on mirrors...(?)
[09:55] <Quest-Master> Does Limewire use it's own sharing network or does it use Gnutella's or something like that?
[09:55] <ibo> hoary is hairy :)
[09:55] <cwillu> you have no idea
[09:55] <bzbb> Funraiser, the mirrors have .torrent files for the .iso files
[09:55] <Seveas> ibo, shave it :)
[09:55] <cwillu> last time, it uninstalled gdm, and never came back :)
[09:56] <andrewski> ibo: you have options: k3b, nautilus-cd-burner, graveman, etc.
[09:56] <Quest-Master> cwillu: You have to install xserver-xorg after dist-upgrade
[09:56] <Funraiser> give me an adress for example, i don't understand
[09:56] <cwillu> I noticed :p
[09:56] <cwillu> actually, ubuntu-desktop did the trick
[09:56] <Quest-Master> Ah
[09:56] <cwillu> and on my other machine, I had to do no such thing
[09:56] <cwillu> Just. Worked.
[09:57] <larsrohdin> is anyone in here good at fluxbox and gtk?
[09:58] <cwillu> but, synaptic seems to be behaving now (i.e., my random crashing syndrome might have disappeared)
[09:58] <kaos> can anyone help me http://www.pastebin.com/250189
[09:58] <Echylo> gnight everyone | goeienacht iedereen | schlafen sie gut :P
[09:58] <Funraiser> bzbb where/how do i get access to those mirrors?
[09:58] <Quest-Master> Also
[09:58] <Quest-Master> What is the command to launch gtk-gnutella after it is installed?
[09:58] <mike> hello everyone..anyone losing visibility of their desktop after inserting a cd?
[09:58] <Funraiser> oh u mean  the torrent to install ubuntu??
[09:58] <Quest-Master> mike: nope.
[09:58] <bzbb> Funraiser, for example http://www.opensourcemirrors.org/ubuntu-cd/warty/
[09:59] <mike> on warty btw
[09:59] <bzbb> Funraiser, or http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/
[09:59] <Funraiser> bzbb i thought u meant torrents in general
[09:59] <bzbb> no
[09:59] <Vishaakje> how do I restart samba in the terminal?
[09:59] <Funraiser> not the ones to download ubuntu
[09:59] <Funraiser> k
[09:59] <larsrohdin> when i use a gtk-theme in fluxbox... the windows still look like the fluxbox theme...
[10:00] <Elsidox> hello. im helping a friend install ubuntu. he uses ppoe to connect to the internet. i was wondering how to set ppoe up on ubuntu.
[10:00] <Funraiser> ubuntu downloaded quickly on the ftp server, no needed bittorent
[10:00] <yoko-omo> where would one get codecs for totem?
[10:01] <yoko-omo> ie win32 codecs and such
[10:01] <Funraiser> was at 150 or something
[10:01] <Funraiser> good question
[10:02] <Funraiser> maybe on the website for totem they say something yoko
[10:02] <larsson_> Cant get subtitles with vlc while using the svgalib video driver. Any ideas?
[10:02] <bagpuss_thecat> Vishaakje: /etc/init.d/samba restart
[10:02] <cwillu> 350 of 782... this is progress
[10:02] <yoko-omo> Funraiser: last time I thought it was a package or something I dl'd for codecs
[10:02] <Vishaakje> bagpuss_thecat, thnxz
[10:03] <copilot> I had this problem a few times before and if I complain about it then it goes away.
[10:04] <copilot> system is visibly lagged, system monitor on the toolbar says processor is 80-99% in use, top says that ~20% is in use
[10:04] <dwr> hello, anyone got time for ubuntu boot problem?
[10:04] <Funraiser> yoko what not using xine?
[10:04] <kaos> My ubuntu doesn't want me to install limewire
[10:05] <cwillu> what's the boot problem?
[10:05] <larsrohdin> can someone help me with gtk?
[10:05] <dwr> i boot up in ubuntu
[10:05] <kaos> can anyone look at this term session and tell me wtf? http://www.pastebin.com/250189
[10:05] <dwr> and up comes the brown background.. and the mouse pointer (which i can move around), but nothing more happens
[10:05] <dwr> and now i have to boot in windows again.. and i'm miserable :)
[10:05] <cwillu> is it a fresh install?
[10:05] <dwr> i recently converted
[10:05] <dwr> it's been around for 1-2 months
[10:06] <dwr> i've used it a lot
[10:06] <cwillu> attempt an upgrade?
[10:06] <dwr> but lately upgrade downloads have f***ed up
[10:06] <dwr> i upgrade as soon as i see the icon
[10:06] <cwillu> try going into single-user mode
[10:06] <dwr> how?
[10:06] <cwillu> good question :p
[10:06] <cwillu> grub?
[10:07] <dwr> hm?
[10:07] <cwillu> using the standard bootloader?
[10:07] <dwr> i am now well bewandered in the world of *nix
[10:07] <dwr> yes
[10:07] <dwr> i have several choices
[10:07] <cwillu> I think the safe-mode type kernel will get you there
[10:07] <dwr> 3-4 ubuntus
[10:07] <dwr> only use one
[10:07] <cwillu> anyone care to comment?
[10:07] <dwr> hmm ok
[10:07] <cwillu> actually...
[10:07] <cwillu> from the brown screen
[10:07] <cwillu> hit ctrl+alt+1
[10:08] <cwillu> then try dpkg --configure -a
[10:08] <roam> what's the difference between warty and hoary?
[10:08] <cwillu> hoary is newest, experimental
[10:08] <Funraiser> kaos i would suggest u should try to install limewire from the source code
[10:09] <roam> cwillu: is it better to use warty or hoary? when will it be released
[10:09] <roam> ?
[10:09] <Bandit> kaos what linda error do you get
[10:09] <cwillu> do you like spending weekends working on your computer?
[10:09] <roam> cwillu: me?
[10:09] <cwillu> yes :p
[10:10] <cwillu> warty is the release version, and as such will probably give you fewer problems
[10:10] <roam> cwillu: depends. It's not for my computer.
[10:10] <roam> :)
[10:10] <cwillu> start with warty, you can always upgrade
[10:11] <Funraiser> if i'm not mistaken this prob is common when the install is done from the binary...the lib is there but the versions are slightly different, and u can't make the install...
[10:11] <roam> cwillu: is there something like a changelog for hoary? So I can tell if it's worth trying?
[10:11] <cwillu> probably, couldn't tell you the url from memory...
[10:12] <roam> When I installed warty, I had no X, although manual said I would. Is this normal?
[10:12] <cwillu> "Battery Charge Monitor" applet has died unexpectedly...
[10:12] <kaos> --help
[10:12] <cwillu> definately not
[10:12] <larsrohdin> whatever gtk-theme i use, the windowbar stays the same, everything else changes... what am I doing wrong?
[10:13] <cwillu> you mean the instaler or after ti finished?
[10:13] <roam> I had X after running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, but that should happen at installtime, I guess.
[10:13] <Funraiser> bandit he gets: /usr/lib/jdk1.1/lib/i686/green_threads/libzip.so: symbol errno, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference (libzip.so)
[10:13] <Funraiser> Class not found: com.zerog.lax.LAX
[10:13] <roam> cwillu: after reboot and installing the rest of the standard packages.
[10:13] <cwillu> if it finished like that, try doing an sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[10:14] <cwillu> so it dumps you at a command line
[10:15] <roam> no, at login
[10:15] <knucks> where do i get mplayer?
[10:15] <knucks> the one for warty?
[10:15] <Funraiser> how long have u been using linux here? (2 weeks for me)
[10:15] <knucks> someone gave me a link to it last night..
[10:15] <roam> cwillu: I think it just didn't configure X
[10:15] <Seveas> knucks, from the marillat repositories
[10:15] <cshah2> synaptic?
[10:15] <Funraiser> knuck on ubuntuguide.org
[10:16] <knucks> Seveas: yeah. link to that?
[10:16] <knucks> o ok
[10:16] <Chipzz> Seveas: no
[10:16] <Chipzz> mplayer is in universe or multiverse
[10:16] <Chipzz> not sure
[10:16] <Seveas> Chipzz: only for hoary
[10:16] <Seveas> not for warty
[10:16] <Chipzz> hmmm k
[10:17] <Seveas> knucks, see the ubuntu wiki for a link :)
[10:17] <dwr> cwillu, will try your trick now.. thank you very much for the assistance!
[10:17] <cwillu> :p
[10:17] <knucks> ok i did the thing on ubuntu
[10:17] <knucks> guide
[10:17] <knucks> added extra
[10:17] <Funraiser> already?
[10:17] <knucks> should mplayer be in there already?
[10:18] <hayden> how come when i restart x-chat and gaim always load
[10:18] <Funraiser> i think u should restart
[10:18] <maddog> anyone got time to help an ubuntu noob with a desktop problem?
[10:18] <andrewski> maddog: ask away.
[10:18] <Seveas> maddog, what's the problem
[10:19] <Seveas> knucks, you added extra repositories to /etc/apt/sources.list?
[10:19] <knucks> yeah
[10:19] <maddog> seems that i've lost my desktop functionality..can't open my home folder, my nfs shares don't open
[10:19] <roam> Where is the debian menu in ubuntu? is there an ubuntu menu system? For things that lack a gnome-menu entry?
[10:19] <Seveas> roam, there is none
[10:20] <cwillu> I believe it's a text config
[10:20] <andrewski> maddog: in nautilus?
[10:20] <maddog> yes
[10:20] <Seveas> maddog, what happens when you go tho the computer->home menu?
[10:20] <maddog> if I insert a cd, my entire desktop disappears
[10:20] <larsrohdin> can someone help me with a gtk issue?
[10:20] <Seveas> maddog, dou you get a terminal or just a black screen?
[10:20] <Funraiser> knucks u found it?
[10:20] <maddog> a blank window opens like its searching but not nothing appears
[10:20] <Vishaakje> normally with windows shares you don't get a usrnm/passwrd screen, but now with samba I do. I've set the authentication to 'share' in de smb.conf, but that's not all is it? How do I set an empty usr/pass share?
[10:21] <knucks> Funraiser:
[10:21] <knucks> yeah
[10:21] <maddog> yes, I can get terminal and other apps
[10:21] <maddog> such as this one :)
[10:21] <Funraiser> mplayer?
[10:21] <knucks> Funraiser: it was in the ubuntuguide. edit a source file for the extra repositories
[10:21] <knucks> yup
[10:21] <andrewski> maddog: so just nautilus is freezing?
[10:21] <knucks> getting it now
[10:21] <maddog> appears that way
[10:21] <andrewski> maddog: ok, open a terminal and type `killall nautilus`
[10:21] <knucks> (its a weird version tho. i wasnt able to get a GUI last time i did it)
[10:22] <maddog> desktop is blank
[10:22] <Funraiser> u mean realplayer or mplayer?
[10:22] <maddog> this is wierd
[10:22] <andrewski> maddog: yes, this will happen.  then, in that same terminal, run nautilus again.  (this way, you can see any errors it outputs.)
[10:22] <andrewski> maddog: you should get your desktop back.
[10:22] <Funraiser> mplayer and realplayer are the same?
[10:23] <maddog> typed in nautilus and get nothing but blank desktop
[10:23] <maddog> no error messages
[10:23] <Funraiser> ok i got it
[10:23] <andrewski> maddog: did it give you back your prompt or is it hanging?
[10:23] <knucks> i cant get mplayer to start tho
[10:23] <maddog> hanging
[10:23] <cwillu> it comes up that way from boot?
[10:23] <knucks> do i have to reboot?
[10:23] <andrewski> maddog: h/o a sec.
[10:23] <maddog> k
[10:24] <andrewski> maddog: did it open a file window at least?
[10:24] <Funraiser> knuck there are 3 mplayers on ubuntuguide: realplayer,xine, xmms
[10:24] <maddog> nothing
[10:24] <andrewski> maddog: try nautilus --check
[10:24] <knucks> mplayer is one on its own
[10:24] <Vishaakje> fixed, never mind
[10:24] <andrewski> maddog: any errors?
[10:24] <maddog> just hangs
[10:25] <maddog> no errors
[10:25] <andrewski> maddog: but nothing prints?
[10:25] <maddog> nothing
[10:25] <Funraiser> oupss my bad
[10:25] <andrewski> maddog: "running nautilus_..."
[10:25] <andrewski> maddog: hmm.
[10:25] <Funraiser> i don't see it on ubuntuguide
[10:25] <maddog> nothing like that, just hanging cursor
[10:25] <jay_> sorry if someone answered this, I went away :(
[10:25] <jay_> hi folks, sorry for the newbieish question but is there a simple 32 bit chroot command like suse's "linux32" ?
[10:25] <andrewski> maddog: ok, just to be sure, try nautilus -q
[10:26] <andrewski> maddog: and then nautilus --check again.
[10:26] <knucks> Funraiser: let me get the link fo rya
[10:26] <knucks> Funraise: you got p4?
[10:26] <Funraiser> 3
[10:26] <maddog> both commands just hang, no output print
[10:27] <knucks> try this anyways:
[10:27] <Funraiser> but mplayer can be installed from synaptic
[10:27] <knucks> right
[10:27] <knucks> what u need to do is add extra repositories
[10:27] <knucks> from marillat
[10:27] <andrewski> maddog: well, nautilus -q should hang for a minute, but it should spit you back at your prompt after that...
[10:27] <andrewski> minute = about 10 seconds, actually. :P
[10:27] <knucks> Funraise: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[10:27] <maddog> i'll try again
[10:27] <Funraiser> i see it in synaptic
[10:27] <Funraiser> yeah i did it
[10:27] <knucks> ok
[10:27] <socketbind> btw, where i should check for mplayer with gui support enabled?
[10:27] <Funraiser> tks
[10:27] <knucks> now do this:
[10:28] <knucks> socketbind; i wish i knew
[10:28] <socketbind> mplayer, mplayer-586 didn't got for me gui support...
[10:28] <socketbind> i likeit better that xine
[10:28] <socketbind> maybe coz i'm hungarian :)
[10:28] <maddog> nautilus -q is still hanging
[10:28] <Vishaakje> I've created an upload share with parameters: 'read only = no' and 'guest ok = yes'. I can connect to the share but can't write to it. Anybody any ideas?
[10:28] <knucks> i got the mplayer thing off unbuntuguide.
[10:28] <knucks> and its not a gui at all
[10:29] <andrewski> maddog: yikes, that's strange.  i'd check #gnome about it, or post a bug report on bugzilla.ubuntu.org
[10:29] <andrewski> maddog: sorry i can't help more.
[10:29] <socketbind> well god knows why they didn't compiled in gui support, knucks
[10:29] <larsrohdin> does anyone have time to help me with a gtk question?
[10:29] <andrewski> knucks: isn't there another package that adds gui support?
[10:29] <maddog> thanks for trying...all I can think to do at this point is try to reload nautilus
[10:29] <knucks> i think so
[10:29] <andrewski> larsrohdin: ask away. :)
[10:29] <knucks> im pretty new to this
[10:29] <knucks> i dont remember what its called
[10:29] <socketbind> maybe their fingers would crack if they had typed --enable-gui
[10:29] <knucks> it might be like gmplayer
[10:29] <knucks> or something like that
[10:30] <andrewski> maddog: well, i don't think that'll work (because that's what i had you do :), but it's worth a shot.
[10:30] <socketbind> try to compile it from source it isn't that bad
[10:30] <andrewski> knucks: mplayer-gnome, IIRC
[10:30] <Xappe> why not just compile it yourself?
[10:30] <larsrohdin> andrewski, whatever gtk-theme i use, the windowbar stays the same, everything else changes... what am I doing wrong?
[10:30] <larsrohdin> andrewski, im using fluxbox
[10:30] <andrewski> larsrohdin: they're separate, you're doing nothing wrong.
[10:30] <knucks> Xppe: how?
[10:31] <larsrohdin> andrewski, ok so i have to find a matching fluxbox style or what?
[10:31] <knucks> how do i compile it?
[10:31] <knucks> i want to have a gui
[10:31] <knucks> i got mplayer from the mariatt repository..
[10:31] <andrewski> larsrohdin: fluxbox has its own themes, as does any WM.  if you use metacity (gnome's WM), it'll change too, but not any others.
[10:31] <socketbind> ./configure --enable-gui
[10:31] <knucks> but it sucks
[10:31] <socketbind> knucks
[10:31] <knucks> eh?
[10:31] <Xappe> knucks, download the tarball, read the README, take care of dependencies and compile
[10:31] <socketbind> ./configure --enable-gui
[10:31] <knucks> where do i type that
[10:31] <knucks> <n00b
[10:31] <socketbind> oh
[10:31] <socketbind> download it
[10:31] <andrewski> larsrohdin: why are you using fluxbox?
[10:31] <socketbind> extract
[10:31] <socketbind> cd to the dir where it is
[10:31] <knucks> well i already apt-get it
[10:32] <socketbind> ./configure --enable-gui
[10:32] <socketbind> but you need the sources knucks
[10:32] <larsrohdin> andrewski, i like it... gnome was boring=)
[10:32] <knucks> socketbind: where do i get them from then
[10:32] <andrewski> larsrohdin: well, it's not really exciting itself....  but anyway, you can just get online and download a theme.
[10:32] <socketbind> should i give you a link knucks?
[10:32] <knucks> yes please
[10:33] <socketbind> okey dokey
[10:33] <larsrohdin> andrewski, but the rest of the window changes, its just the top bar that stays the same...
[10:33] <Venker> goodbye people
[10:33] <andrewski> larsrohdin: yes, that's because the top bar is 'controlled' by fluxbox, not by gtk.
[10:33] <larsrohdin> andrewski, ok thanks alot then!
[10:33] <Xappe> knucks, http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/news.html
[10:33] <andrewski> larsrohdin: i would suggest you use metacity, gnome's wm unless you really know what you're doing.
[10:34] <Funraiser> err..what's the adress for the marilla repository?
[10:34] <andrewski> larsrohdin: but that's just a suggestion. :)
[10:34] <socketbind> there ya go knucks: http://ftp5.mplayerhq.hu/mplayer/releases/MPlayer-1.0pre6a.tar.bz2
[10:34] <Funraiser> ftp://?
[10:34] <knucks> thanks socketbind
[10:34] <larsrohdin> andrewski, well i know what im doing, i've been using flubox for some time now, but i just wanted to try a different style...
[10:34] <knucks> ok so now i expand
[10:34] <knucks> and then do the configure thing?
[10:34] <socketbind> knucks: tar xvf <tar file>
[10:35] <knucks> yup thanksss
[10:35] <hayden> does anyone know any tutorials about shell scripting with ubuntu
[10:36] <andrewski> hayden: "advanced bash scripting tutorial" :)
[10:36] <socketbind> knucks, the configure script will search for dependencies needed to build mplayer
[10:36] <bwlang> hayden: shell scripting is not really distro specific... you're better off just seraching for generic shell scripting info
[10:36] <socketbind> so you will need some stuff
[10:36] <hayden> link
[10:36] <andrewski> hayden: google
[10:36] <socketbind> well i must go, anyone can help you with compiling knucks, goodbye
[10:37] <shock> anyone here using a powerbook g4 and an official ubuntu hoary kernel?
[10:38] <knucks> i cant get the file working
[10:38] <pvh> Is there some way for me to switch which X display a process is writing to?
[10:38] <knucks> knucks@Igor:~ $ sudo tar xvf Mplayer-1.0pre6a.tar.bz2
[10:38] <knucks> tar: Mplayer-1.0pre6a.tar.bz2: Cannot open: No such file or directory
[10:38] <knucks> tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
[10:38] <andrewski> knucks: why are you compiling?
[10:38] <pvh> ie: Take over a running process and forward it to my laptop from my desktop.
[10:38] <knucks> to enable gui
[10:39] <andrewski> knucks: did you look for other packages?
[10:39] <knucks> no..
[10:39] <andrewski> :)
[10:39] <andrewski> that'd be a lot easier.
[10:39] <knucks> probably
[10:39] <andrewski> knucks: first!
[10:39] <andrewski> knucks: try running gmplayer
[10:39] <knucks> apt-get it?
[10:39] <andrewski> knucks: no, run it.
[10:40] <andrewski> you should already have it, if i'm reading this correctly.
[10:40] <knucks> nope
[10:40] <andrewski> knucks: which mplayer package did you install?
[10:40] <knucks> um
[10:40] <knucks> this one:
[10:40] <knucks> sudo apt-get install mozilla-mplayer
[10:40] <knucks> and
[10:40] <cshah2> whats the name of the gnome IDE?
[10:40] <knucks>  sudo apt-get install mplayer-fonts
[10:41] <andrewski> knucks: you need mplayer-<ARCH> too... :)
[10:41] <knucks> huh?
[10:41] <tck> anyone familiar with a norton ghost like tool for linux ?
[10:41] <andrewski> knucks: what processor do you have?
[10:41] <knucks> p4
[10:41] <tck> mplayer-i686 then knucks
[10:41] <Vishaakje> hmm, copying to my fresh upload samba share from OSX gives me this error on OSX: 'You cannot copy *blah blah* names too long or contain invalid characters for the destination'. How can I fix this?
[10:41] <andrewski> knucks: mozilla-mplayer is just a plugin.  you need mplayer-586 too.
[10:41] <knucks> where do i get it
[10:42] <andrewski> knucks: apt-get it.
[10:42] <andrewski> tck: mplayer-686 is not in use anymore.
[10:42] <andrewski> knucks: you're on warty or hoary?
[10:42] <tck> my bad
[10:42] <knucks> warty
[10:42] <tck> try, apt-get install mplayer-586
[10:42] <knucks> ok
[10:42] <andrewski> knucks: well, look for 586 or 686, i don't know what warty uses.
[10:42] <tck> 586
[10:42] <andrewski> tck: maybe you were right. :)  i'm on hoary.
[10:42] <tck> i thought it was 686
[10:42] <tck> i think the updates changed it
[10:42] <knucks> i get errors
[10:42] <andrewski> tck: it used to be.
[10:42] <Funraiser> there are 386 586 686 on wharty
[10:42] <andrewski> knucks: ?
[10:42] <knucks> i tried doing it through synaptic
[10:42] <tck> apt-get -f install
[10:43] <knucks> and there are depends errors
[10:43] <Funraiser> me too
[10:43] <andrewski> Funraiser: but, at least on hoary, 686 is just a dummy package for 586
[10:43] <Funraiser> yes
[10:43] <andrewski> knucks: which errors?
[10:43] <Funraiser> on warty too
[10:43] <andrewski> Funraiser: ah, ok.
[10:43] <tck> try, apt-get install mplayer-nogui
[10:43] <Funraiser> that's what synaptic says
[10:43] <andrewski> tck: he want's gui. :D
[10:43] <knucks> yeah
[10:43] <andrewski> *wants
[10:43] <knucks> fool
[10:43] <knucks> lol
[10:43] <andrewski> knucks: post the errors
[10:43] <Funraiser> andrewski many lib errors
[10:44] <knucks> ^
[10:44] <andrewski> hmm.  post them in #paste
[10:44] <knucks> it told me that i have to get rid of my mozilla-fonts and mozilla-mplayer
[10:44] <andrewski> knucks: #paste
[10:44] <xun5> anyone knows where i can dl the xvid codecs?
[10:44] <SiRrUs> good afternoon
[10:44] <nasdaq|away> from xvid?
[10:45] <Funraiser> those are the errors for mplayer on synaptic install (warty)mplayer-586:
[10:45] <Funraiser>  Depends: libarts but it is not installable or
[10:45] <Funraiser>  	libarts-alsa but it is not installable
[10:45] <Funraiser>  Depends: libdvdread2 but it is not installable
[10:45] <Funraiser>   Depends: libfribidi0 but 0.10.4-3 is to be installed
[10:45] <Funraiser>  Depends: libvorbis0 but it is not installable
[10:45] <Funraiser> guess knucks has the same
[10:45] <knucks> yup
[10:45] <tck> knucks, try apt-get install mplayer-custom
[10:46] <SiRrUs> good afternoon
[10:46] <andrewski> tck: that's for a non-586 computer.
[10:46] <knucks> mplayer-custom is already the newest version.
[10:46] <Funraiser> hello winter star
[10:46] <tck> really, *mental note*
[10:46] <andrewski> knucks: you have all the repositories installed?
[10:46] <knucks> yes
[10:46] <andrewski> tck: that's how it seems in synaptic, anyway.
[10:46] <Bandit> SiRrUs give it a break they dont say hi in this channel
[10:46] <andrewski> knucks: try apt-get install libvorbis0
[10:47] <tck> thats weird 686 is in synaptic
[10:47] <SiRrUs> i noticed
[10:47] <andrewski> tck: but read the description.
[10:47] <tck> but doesnt prompt when apt-get from command line
[10:47] <andrewski> hi sirr
[10:47] <Vishaakje> nobody can help me on this one?
[10:47] <tck> dummy!
[10:47] <knucks> andrewski check #paste for error
[10:48] <andrewski> knucks: hmm.
[10:48] <tritium> I'm back.
[10:48] <Funraiser> it says 386 for all CPU , 586 for pentium, 686 to upgrade 586
[10:48] <andrewski> knucks: dunno, i don't have that problem in hoary.
[10:49] <knucks> lets just compile it then
[10:49] <andrewski> knucks: well, you'll still need those libraries....
[10:49] <knucks> frick
[10:49] <andrewski> Funraiser: to upgrade _to_ mplayer-586
[10:49] <Funraiser> ?
[10:50] <tritium> Sorry I missed somebody's message.  It's further than I can scroll back...
[10:50] <andrewski> tritium: how do you know?
[10:50] <silverdsurver> hey andrewski!  I figured out how to get a little color in the console
[10:50] <tritium> andrewski, My channel tab was highlighted.
[10:50] <andrewski> silverdsurver: how?
[10:50] <tritium> andrewski, So I know that I missed a mesage.
[10:51] <Funraiser> knucks i guess we need to upgrade to hoary soon
[10:51] <andrewski> tritium: ah, i was wondering if you had some trick to keep messages. :)
[10:51] <knucks> nooooooo
[10:51] <Funraiser> lol
[10:51] <silverdsurver> andrewski: nano -w ~/.bashrc
[10:51] <andrewski> knucks: that's what i would recommend too, but it's no small undertaking.
[10:51] <knucks> cuz if i upgrade doesnt that mean all the stuff i installed in the past 20hrs goes to crap
[10:51] <tritium> andrewski, you could script one ;)
[10:51] <andrewski> silverdsurver: change the PS1?
[10:51] <helio7> 5 minutes of googling leads me to the conclusion that "Shockwave" (not to be confused with Flash) is not workable (without Wine or the like) in a *nix environment.  Am I correct?
[10:51] <andrewski> tritium: hehe, as if i knew how...
[10:51] <Funraiser> dunno
[10:51] <silverdsurver> andrewski : all you gotta do is uncomment the place that tells you it's colored, then comment out the one in use
[10:52] <tritium> andrewski, I'm sure somebody already has done it.
[10:52] <andrewski> silverdsurver: colors the prompt?
[10:52] <Funraiser> realplayer and xine work fine anyway
[10:52] <andrewski> knucks: no, it wouldn't crap out anything.
[10:52] <knucks> um mwhy wont limewire close
[10:52] <silverdsurver> andrewski: it's labelled in the file... it colors the prompt green, but still is not as nice as gentoo but it's a start
[10:53] <Funraiser> normally
[10:53] <andrewski> knucks: except xfree :D
[10:53] <knucks> whats zfree
[10:53] <knucks> er
[10:53] <knucks> xfree
[10:53] <andrewski> silverdsurver: i've had that one for a long time. :)
[10:53] <andrewski> knucks: the old x server, which (IIRC) warty still uses.  the newer one is x.org, a fork of xfree
[10:53] <silverdsurver> andrewski: dammit, i came on just to tell you something you already did
[10:53] <Funraiser> linux's a steep learning curve, feels like first time on snowboard
[10:53] <knucks> well if one of u can guide me step by step ill upgrade to hoary
[10:53] <andrewski> silverdsurver: it's all good, i was mostly complaining about apt not being colored.
[10:54] <andrewski> knucks: ok, you won't even have to restart. :)
[10:54] <knucks> can we make a seperate channel?
[10:54] <hypa7ia> hey, running hoary, updated today, and i've been having these weird clicking noises that i can't idenitfy
[10:55] <silverdsurver> i accidentally mkfs.reiserfs /dev/hda2 last night and wiped out my boot partition... meant to get /dev/sda2
[10:55] <andrewski> hypa7ia: from your pc?
[10:55] <helio7> Can anyone confirm that there's NO way to make Shockwave work under Linux short of WINE/etc.?
[10:55] <hypa7ia> andrewski: yeah, sounds tinny
[10:55] <andrewski> hypa7ia: see if it's in sync with the cursor blinking...
[10:55] <hypa7ia> nope
[10:56] <knucks> ok who can help me upgrade to hoary
[10:56] <virtuald> helio7: there's no way.
[10:56] <hypa7ia> it's a laptop, i have 4 partitions, /boot is ext2, / is reiserfs, /home is reiserfs, and there's a swap.  the two reiser partitions have notail and noatime on them, as per a friend's reccomedation
[10:57] <helio7> lol ok virtuald thanks; do you think that someone will eventually port it to the Linux platform or are there other issues/
[10:57] <mirak> is there a way to skip a package configuration in APT ?
[10:57] <djp> knucks: http://ubuntuguide.org/#upgradewartytohoary
[10:57] <steve_> tritium: what is up?
[10:57] <tritium> Hi steve_.  Are you the one that messaged me earlier?
[10:57] <knucks> thats it djp?
[10:57] <knucks> simple eh?
[10:57] <steve_> yeap
[10:57] <virtuald> helio7: mail macromedia and ask, they'll know
[10:58] <m1lton> virtuald: :)
[10:58] <mirak> is there a way to skip a package configuration in APT ?
[10:58] <steve_> hey, I wanted to know if you could email me your sources again
[10:58] <djp> knucks: yep!
[10:58] <tritium> steve_, sorry.  I was away for a little over 2 hours, and forgot to mark myself away.
[10:58] <mirak> xorg always try to configure X
[10:58] <steve_> I started from again
[10:58] <steve_> same here, just got back
[10:58] <Funraiser> good luck knucks
[10:58] <Funraiser> lol
[10:58] <djp> does anybody know if gens, the megadrive/genesis emulator works under ubuntu?
[10:58] <knucks> thx
[10:58] <tritium> And I couldn't scroll back far enough to find your msg.
[10:58] <steve_> your sources are hoary, right
[10:59] <knucks> updating
[10:59] <Funraiser> looks easy
[10:59] <Karlosis> hello, i have tried to do a apt-get build-dep kdelibs and says it cannot be done
[10:59] <knucks> seems like it
[10:59] <knucks> 1 more step
[10:59] <Riddell> Karlosis: what's the problem?
[11:00] <Karlosis> I am getting this error:E: Build-dependencies for kdelibs could not be satisfied.
[11:00] <Karlosis> This is on i386 Ubuntu Hoary with universe in sources
[11:01] <Riddell> Karlosis: does it say which build-dep could not be satisfied?
[11:01] <knucks> Funraiser: so far so good
[11:01] <Funraiser> k
[11:01] <knucks> the update is like 192mb tho
[11:01] <knucks> might take a while for some
[11:01] <Funraiser> no bad
[11:01] <cwillu> um
[11:01] <Karlosis> not at all, when I look at it with apt-cache show kdelibs, there are none?!
[11:01] <knucks> but im on 4mbps
[11:01] <knucks> its all goooood
[11:01] <cwillu> "Badness in as_move........"
[11:01] <Funraiser> should be enuf
[11:01] <cwillu> What is badness?  :(
[11:01] <cwillu> is it bad?
[11:02] <geppy> How can I set up my Apache server such that uses the name of a subdomain that I have under my control?  Currently, I'm just redirecting local.foo.org to myIP/local/.  How can I set it so that it calls itself local.foo.org, rather than myIP/local/?
[11:03] <Karlosis> Maybe my deb-src is wrong... i use the same as for hoary binaries, is that correct?
[11:04] <cwillu> why do I have badness?
[11:04] <Funraiser> badness noun for bad
[11:04] <fiskgunnar> Hi, is XF86cfg a good way to tell my system that 1280x1024 at 75 Hz is indeed possible?
[11:04] <cwillu> why can't apt-get just work?
[11:04] <knucks> Funraiser: still going
[11:05] <geppy> fiskgunnar: Yes.
[11:05] <knucks> anyone know how many packages are in the hoary update?
[11:05] <fiskgunnar> or will it probably kill most everything?
[11:05] <fiskgunnar> :)
[11:05] <knucks> cuz im at 404
[11:05] <knucks> oh snap.
[11:05] <knucks> im only at 28% total
[11:05] <knucks> theres about 1400 then
[11:05] <fiskgunnar> I found a ready option but I didn't run it with sudo...
[11:06] <fiskgunnar> thanks geppy
[11:06] <geppy> fiskgunnar:  No problem.
[11:06] <steve_> tritium: you still there
[11:06] <mud> synaptic is crashing on me
[11:06] <cwillu> mud, you too?
[11:06] <tritium> steve_, yes
[11:06] <cwillu> what's it doing?
[11:06] <steve_> tritium: can I get a copy of your hoary sources
[11:06] <geppy> I need help configuring my Apache webserver to run as a subdomain.
[11:06] <tritium> steve_, tabbing back and forth between channels/queries
[11:06] <mud> works until i try to install
[11:06] <steve_> tritium: cool
[11:06] <hypa7ia> any suggestions on what to use to make a network diagram in ubu?
[11:06] <knucks> 37%
[11:07] <tritium> steve_, yes, one second.
[11:07] <GoneBoB> hypa7ia: dia
[11:07] <mud> then just shuts down
[11:07] <cwillu> as in, closes?
[11:07] <mud> yup
[11:07] <hypa7ia> thanks GoneBoB!
[11:07] <cwillu> laptop by any chance?
[11:07] <GoneBoB> np
[11:07] <tritium> steve_, you mean my /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[11:07] <steve_> trtium: you are a busy guy, yeap
[11:07] <mud> nope
[11:07] <cwillu> when does it close?
[11:07] <mud> fresh install hoary
[11:07] <cwillu> during download?  configure?
[11:08] <mud> when i hit install
[11:08] <cwillu> "apply"?
[11:08] <mud> i can choose packagess
[11:08] <b-_-d> how is amd64 support?
[11:08] <steve_> tritium: I tried a fresh hoary install,but it did not see my wireless card.
[11:08] <mud> yeah apply
[11:08] <steve_> tritium: I will just do the upgrade
[11:08] <Funraiser> what's the speed Knucks?
[11:08] <Vishaakje> Copying to my upload samba share from OSX gives me this error on OSX: 'You cannot copy *blah blah* names too long or contain invalid characters for the destination'. How can I fix this?
[11:08] <knucks> 350
[11:09] <tritium> steve_, I'm pulling it up now.
[11:09] <EtherNet> does ubuntu have any sort of application for upgrading like debian apt-get ?
[11:09] <cwillu> a
[11:09] <steve_> tritium: cool
[11:09] <cwillu> is it any package?
[11:09] <Vishaakje> allthough the file is just a 'test.txt'
[11:09] <hypa7ia> EtherNet: it has apt-get :-)
[11:09] <mud> Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 00000008
[11:09] <mud>  found this in dmesg not sure if it means anything
[11:09] <cwillu> even a man install?
[11:09] <cwillu> heh\
[11:09] <EtherNet> Hymie, ohhhh... excellent
[11:09] <Funraiser> Ethernet check ubuntuguide.org
[11:09] <mud> any package
[11:09] <cwillu> _that_ looks familiar
[11:09] <EtherNet> Hymie, and.... in a few words... what does it have better than Debian?
[11:09] <tritium> steve_, sending now
[11:10] <cwillu> i.e., I'm trying to get past the same problem here
[11:10] <hypa7ia> EtherNet: newer everything, friendlier community
[11:10] <xun5> guys. recommend me a good kazaa-like p2p client?
[11:10] <hypa7ia> EtherNet: it's a debian fork, but a friendly one - we feed patches back into debian
[11:10] <Coily> what do i need to encrypt text documents?
[11:10] <mud> it worked last time i installed hoary
[11:10] <EtherNet> Hymie, excellent.. I'll get the distr, and try it ut
[11:10] <mud> its a new update problem i think
[11:10] <EtherNet> out
[11:10] <cwillu> cd?  maybe you got a bad one
[11:10] <roam> When is hoary going to be releases?
[11:11] <EtherNet> hypa7ia, I'm gonna buy an amd64 would it work good?
[11:11] <Coily> anyone?
[11:11] <mud> same cd worked fine 1 week ago
[11:11] <Funraiser> next month i think
[11:11] <cwillu> coily, for what purpose?
[11:11] <tritium> steve_, let me use pastebin.  I think being behind the router is causing me grief
[11:11] <Karlosis> i run ubuntu perfect on amd64
[11:11] <roam> s/ses/sed/
[11:11] <jimbob> #idlerpg
[11:11] <hypa7ia> EtherNet: it should work great, grab one of the hoary images from the link in /topic
[11:11] <helio7> i'm going to play a game for a few minutes see ya soon
[11:11] <Coily> cwillu, just to secure stuff
[11:11] <helio7> oops doh wrong window guys sorry
[11:11] <Karlosis> That's even the reason for leaving Debian in first place
[11:11] <steve_> tritium: cool
[11:11] <cwillu> against what......
[11:12] <cwillu> secure for sending,
[11:12] <hypa7ia> EtherNet: make sure you get the right version, not i386 :-)
[11:12] <cwillu> storage against somebody who can log into your machine
[11:12] <ycco> hey gang...
[11:12] <stazich> hey, does anyone know how to reduce flickering of screen? im also having problem with the graphics. everything is pretty slow when drawing.. im using a 33 imac with a rage ati card i believe...
[11:12] <Coily> cwillu, just storage... i dont need certificates or anything like that
[11:12] <ycco> I'm trying to setup a laptop... and can boot the live cd just fine.
[11:12] <ycco> everything works with the live cd.
[11:12] <hypa7ia> stazich: change the refresh rate
[11:12] <cwillu> one sec
[11:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> anyone know where i can get an encoder for aac files?
[11:13] <ycco> When I go to boot though, I'm hanging @ kernel log daemon.
[11:13] <stazich> how do i do that?
[11:13] <fiskgunnar> thanks a bunch geppy, worked like a charm
[11:13] <geppy> fiskgunnar:  Good to hear. =)
[11:13] <ycco> So I can boot the live cd and everything works fine, but the actual installation is giving me fits.
[11:13] <hypa7ia> stazich: look for it under screen resolution in the system menu
[11:14] <ycco> it's a Sony PCG-F280 PII 366Mhz laptop with 192M ram.
[11:14] <hypa7ia> can't give you the exact path since i'm in hoary
[11:14] <knucks> Funraiser: 75%
[11:14] <ycco> crimsun, you about?
[11:14] <Funraiser> nervous?
[11:14] <knucks> naw
[11:14] <knucks> its just linux
[11:15] <Funraiser> he he
[11:15] <knucks> if it misbehaves i just format and put xp
[11:15] <hypa7ia> WOW dia is way neat, thanks a ton GoneBoB !
[11:15] <knucks> linux should be glad im spending so much time on it
[11:15] <geppy> Any Apache gurus in here?
[11:15] <cwillu> might take a look at bcrypt
[11:15] <ycco> knucks, it is... it told me so.
[11:15] <WillCooke> hey knucks, did you get your hdc5 sorted?
[11:15] <Coily> cwillu, alrighty ill give it a shot
[11:15] <knucks> WIllCooke: nope
[11:15] <cwillu> no guarentee's though
[11:15] <stazich> hypa7ia : it wont let me change anything.. it is 1028*758 at 75HZ... and wont let me change these values
[11:15] <knucks> the dd killed the tables
[11:16] <Coily> :O
[11:16] <WillCooke> kucks, all of them?????????
[11:16] <knucks> and i wasnt able to get back to any of my /usr/home or anything
[11:16] <Funraiser> i can't go back to xp
[11:16] <domo> hi everyone
[11:16] <dazed> how do i check hard drive space?
[11:16] <Funraiser> just can't
[11:16] <knucks> WillCooke: yeah
[11:16] <hypa7ia> stazich: not sure what else to tell you, that refresh rate should not flicker, sounds like something else is going on
[11:16] <knucks> i tried doing fdisk and it told me there werent any tables
[11:16] <WillCooke> kucks, shhhhhhhugar.
[11:16] <mud> did apt-get upgrade and it fixed synaptic
[11:16] <knucks> so i lost all my music :(
[11:16] <cwillu> yay
[11:17] <knucks> but im upgrading to hoary right now
[11:17] <WillCooke> dazed, df
[11:17] <ycco> knucks, trying to break it?
[11:17] <ycco> heh
[11:17] <knucks> lol
[11:17] <cwillu> one for five ain't bad
[11:17] <usual> how can I disable agpgart in hoary?
[11:17] <Funraiser> knucks for gooooood free music: http://magnatune.com
[11:17] <knucks> so whos had their pc on the longest here?
[11:17] <knucks> (i dont believe in free music)
[11:17] <knucks> haha
[11:17] <knucks> jk
[11:17] <ycco> also my band has free music:  http://theinterference.com/
[11:18] <knucks> ill check it out
[11:18] <Funraiser> u should
[11:18] <cwillu> and... cross the fingers again...
[11:18] <knucks> i like how well BT cooperates with linux
[11:18] <knucks> it was nice
[11:19] <Funraiser> i thought it had to be crapy since it was free...well i had a BIG surprise
[11:19] <ycco> Is there a boot option to allow me to turn off the kernel log daemon at boot?
[11:19] <ycco> it's hanging there.
[11:19] <ycco> :(
[11:19] <sleeper> hi
[11:19] <knucks> eh not too bad:
[11:19] <knucks> 469mb in 19mins
[11:19] <Funraiser> yep
[11:19] <sleeper> wat program can i use to unzip rar files
[11:19] <sleeper> ?
[11:19] <knucks> now its unpacking and stuff
[11:20] <geppy> sleeper: unrar?
[11:20] <sleeper> ok thx
[11:20] <knucks> answer me kiddo
[11:20] <Vishaakje> i just followed the exact instructions found on ubuntuguide.org (share public folder read/write auth=no). Still get the same error, maybe it's an incompatibility between OSX samba and linux :(
[11:20] <knucks> s
[11:20] <knucks> whos had their pc on the longest here?
[11:20] <Funraiser> lady and gentleman: hoooooooooooaaaaa-RY!
[11:21] <Funraiser> what knucks?
[11:22] <knucks> stupid firefox crashed
[11:22] <b-_-d> from what i read ubuntu is not 64bit clean
[11:22] <b-_-d> is this true?
[11:22] <knucks> ok my first error
[11:22] <knucks> nautilus keeps on quting
[11:22] <knucks> quiting
[11:22] <GoneBoB> b-_-d: um.. what exactly do you mean by that
[11:22] <dazed> willcooke: anyway to see how many gigs used cuz df just showed blocks and percentage
[11:22] <Funraiser> still downloading?
[11:23] <knucks> no unpacking now
[11:23] <knucks> unpacking, replacing, etc.
[11:23] <Funraiser> maybe that's why
[11:23] <WillCooke> dazed, df -h
[11:23] <b-_-d> GoneBoB 32bit base system with some 64bit libs
[11:23] <GoneBoB> b-_-d: that's a pile of garbage :)
[11:23] <GoneBoB> b-_-d: whoever told you that was wrong
[11:24] <GoneBoB> it's a full 64 bit install with some 32 bit libs
[11:24] <knucks> so i got this big math test on tues
[11:24] <knucks> im gonna fail it i thin :(
[11:25] <Funraiser> what's about?
[11:25] <knucks> Trig functions
[11:25] <knucks> sin, cos, csc, cot, all that stuff
[11:25] <knucks> angles, smangles
[11:25] <Lemonzest> how easy is it to run 32bit app's in the 64bit version?
[11:26] <sleeper> other question
[11:26] <sleeper> whow i see .wma?
[11:26] <b-_-d>  GoneBoB so only openoffice and games are 32bit? like on a Fedora or Gentoo box
[11:26] <b-_-d> with option of not installing the 32bit liss
[11:27] <usual> daniels, I think I figured out that X problem
[11:27] <b-_-d> with option of not installing the 32bit libs*
[11:27] <daniels> usual: oh?
[11:27] <Funraiser> still unpacking?
[11:28] <sleeper> how can i see wma videos?
[11:28] <usual> daniels, It didn't start happening until recent kernel upgrades, so I was talking to some people....I started tinkering with agpgart, I blacklisted it and told xorg to use the nvagp It doesn't seem to lag like before
[11:28] <geppy> sleeper:  w32codecs
[11:28] <sleeper> wmv
[11:29] <usual> daniels, according to others I spoke with the current nvidia drivers are loaded with bug's I don't know what turth there is in that, but getting rid of agpgart seemed to work
[11:29] <daniels> usual: cool
[11:29] <GoneBoB> b-_-d: yeah
[11:29] <geppy> sleeper:  I'm pretty sure that despite originally having been just DivX, w32codecs has expanded to being just about everything.  At least, the version that I have has.
[11:30] <b-_-d> gentoo testing is starting to get bad
[11:30] <cwillu> my kernel seg faults now
[11:30] <GoneBoB> geppy: pretty much the only things used in w32codecs iirc is wm9 and quicktime audio
[11:30] <knucks> hey, um what do i do here:
[11:30] <knucks> someone help me with the final stuff on hoary?
[11:31] <usual> daniels, I also remember back in the sid days compiling kernels with kernel-package and using the nvidia drivers I was always instructed to disabled agpgart if I was going to use the nvidia drivers
[11:31] <knucks> Configuration file `/etc/gimp/2.0/gimprc'
[11:31] <knucks>  ==> File on system created by you or by a script.
[11:31] <knucks>  ==> File also in package provided by package maintainer.
[11:31] <knucks>    What would you like to do about it ?  Your options are:
[11:31] <knucks>     Y or I  : install the package maintainer's version
[11:31] <knucks>     N or O  : keep your currently-installed version
[11:31] <knucks>       D     : show the differences between the versions
[11:31] <knucks>       Z     : background this process to examine the situation
[11:31] <cowbud> tasty
[11:31] <knucks>  The default action is to keep your current version.
[11:31] <knucks> sorry for flooding..
[11:31] <zenrox> knucks, press i
[11:31] <knucks> positive?
[11:31] <b-_-d> scsi support good?
[11:31] <cowbud> yes
[11:31] <Funraiser> lol
[11:32] <knucks> cowbud: all the way through?
[11:32] <cowbud> something like gimp where you won't really touch the gimprc file you want to install the maintainer's rc..
[11:32] <knucks> cuz it asks the same thing again
[11:32] <b-_-d> cowbud yes -------> scsi?
[11:32] <knucks> kk
[11:32] <cowbud> knucks: well if you didn't change any of the files then update them to the maintainer's version always..
[11:32] <cwillu> gah
[11:32] <BROKEN_LADDER> what script do i use to turn samba daemon on?
[11:32] <neom> Anyone know what the next ubuntu release is going to be called?
[11:32] <knucks> yeah i didnt
[11:32] <cowbud> b-_-d: uhh I wasn't answering you but scsi support for what? or are you asking in general if in Linux scsi support is good?
[11:32] <b-_-d> i have a 15k scsi drive for /
[11:32] <geppy> Gone
[11:33] <geppy> GoneBoB: Are you using marillat?
[11:33] <fiskgunnar> What is the file-explorer named and where is it?
[11:33] <knucks> ugh taking a long time
[11:33] <knucks> god damnnnnnnnnn
[11:33] <GoneBoB> geppy: yes
[11:33] <geppy> fiskgunnar: nautilus
[11:33] <GoneBoB> I mean.. it has all the rest in it
[11:33] <fiskgunnar> heh
[11:33] <fiskgunnar> ahaaaa
[11:33] <GoneBoB> but I think that's all that you actually need
[11:33] <knucks> what dop i do with that?
[11:33] <fiskgunnar> thanks
[11:33] <knucks> Configuration file `/etc/udev/scripts/ide-devfs.sh'
[11:33] <b-_-d> cowbud no was scsi support build into the ubuntu install kernel
[11:33] <cwillu> why is it I can never upgrade this machine to hoary in a single step like my other machines?
[11:33] <knucks>    crap
[11:34] <knucks> HELP
[11:34] <cowbud> b-_-d: I can't tell you for sure but I would be willing to bet it is..
[11:34] <cwillu> ehh
[11:34] <cowbud> knucks: what?
[11:34] <GoneBoB> b-_-d: it is
[11:34] <Funraiser> :-(
[11:34] <cwillu> knucks, are you freezing?
[11:34] <knucks> *** ide-devfs.sh (Y/I/N/O/D/Z) [default=N]  ? E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg exited unexpectedly
[11:34] <GoneBoB> knucks: over write it
[11:34] <cowbud> there ya go bobby boy answered it..
[11:34] <b-_-d> thanks
[11:34] <cowbud> knucks: so restart the config apt-get -f install
[11:34] <Funraiser> i am - freaking cold in france
[11:34] <knucks> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[11:35] <cowbud> err there ya go
[11:35] <cwillu> sounds familiar
[11:35] <cowbud> that'll do it also..
[11:35] <geppy> Why does Totem have such terrible problems with the seek bar?  If it's an underlying framework problem, then GStreamer has some serious problems.
[11:35] <knucks> k doing that now
[11:35] <cowbud> geppy: I use totem-xine everytime I try totem-gstreamer I end up switching back to the xine backend..
[11:36] <geppy> cowbud:  Yes, I'm aware that Xine does not have these problems, but Xine isn't GStreamer-based, and, as such, lacks the features that GStreamer has ("transparent" backend changing, working with more than one program, etc).
[11:36] <knucks> Configuration file `/etc/udev/scripts/ide-devfs.sh'
[11:36] <knucks> what to do with that?
[11:37] <cowbud> knucks: all of them say Y
[11:37] <zenrox> or I
[11:37] <knucks> k
[11:37] <cwillu> no, not k
[11:37] <cwillu> :p
[11:37] <cowbud> knucks: you obviously haven't changed any so you always want to update to the maintainer's unless it is a file you changed yourself..
[11:37] <cowbud> hah
[11:37] <knucks> kk
[11:38] <cwillu> I'm funny.  Really, I am!
[11:38] <Funraiser> that was a twilight zone moment
[11:38] <fiskgunnar> How do I change system-language (not keyboard-layout) to english (or any available language)?
[11:40] <Lemonzest> where can i read about chroot32?
[11:40] <b-_-d> no kpffice
[11:40] <b-_-d> no koffice*
[11:40] <Lemonzest> or 32bit libs on a 64bit machine?
[11:40] <cwillu> okay... I _might_ be working
[11:41] <knucks> ugh how long is this going to take
[11:41] <cwillu> for the seventh time today
[11:41] <eruin> http://appelsinjuice.org/Screenshot.png ;-)
[11:41] <neom> That person has a great icon!
[11:42] <cwillu> and!  and!
[11:42] <cwillu> ubuntu!!
[11:42] <eruin> haha
[11:42] <cwillu> no core dumps!
[11:42] <cwillu> no hangs!
[11:42] <neom> Who cares, you got a hot chick on your screen. :)
[11:42] <dazed> hey...how do u get a PIM list and kill a PIM
[11:43] <eruin> neighborlee: a hot chick with a man's name? :P
[11:44] <Funraiser> knucks how are things going?
[11:44] <knucks> DONE
[11:44] <knucks> ok now to get mplayer
[11:44] <Funraiser> really
[11:44] <stodge> Hi. I installed KDE onto Warty, but once in KDE, the Gtk fonts are tiny. How can I change the font size? Thanks
[11:44] <neom> I like your skin too, mr cwillu.
[11:44] <cwillu> ?
[11:44] <knucks> yup
[11:44] <neom> gnome skin.
[11:44] <cwillu> ??
[11:45] <neom> zee borderz!
[11:45] <knucks> ok now how do i get mplayer
[11:45] <cwillu> *** confused
[11:45] <knucks> im on hoary now
[11:45] <Funraiser> u could try on synaptic again now knucks
[11:46] <knucks> yeh i dont see them now
[11:46] <knucks> i only see mplayer-fonts
[11:46] <knucks> how do i check if im on hoary or not
[11:46] <Funraiser> don't need to reboot?
[11:46] <JDahl> knucks, if you dont know it, you're probably on Warty
[11:46] <knucks> well i just upgraded
[11:47] <knucks> but i want to make sure..
[11:47] <JDahl> knucks, cat /etc/apt/sources.list... does it say warty or hoary?
[11:48] <knucks> warty
[11:48] <knucks> wtf
[11:48] <knucks> i did an upgrade tho
[11:48] <knucks> the deb sources are hoary tho
[11:48] <felixdZ> Has anybody else lost their sound by dist-upgrade to hoary?
[11:48] <lexhider> what kind of a picture file is *.cdl ?
[11:48] <JDahl> knucks, then you're running hoary
[11:48] <eruin> neom: my skin?
[11:48] <knucks> but it still says warty at the very most top?
[11:49] <neom> dunno.
[11:49] <neom> Never mind.
[11:49] <romUB> how do i mount a smb share?
[11:49] <knucks> ok where do i get mplayer for hoary now
[11:51] <Funraiser> sudo apt-get mplayer?
[11:51] <JDahl> knucks, there's dozens of guides on how install all the extras on the Ubuntu wiki
[11:51] <knucks> ok
[11:51] <knucks> whoa
[11:51] <knucks> im on kde now?
[11:51] <knucks> wtf?
[11:51] <Funraiser> lol
[11:51] <Funraiser> got high?
[11:52] <knucks> how do i change my resolution?
[11:52] <knucks> i cant seem to find it
[11:53] <Funraiser> still on kde?
[11:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> you can edit xf86config
[11:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> er..xorgconfig
[11:54] <gma> how are you supposed to get lvm setup on Ubuntu? just follow the howto? there's nothing about it
[11:54] <gma> on the forums/wiki
[11:56] <djp> anyobdy know of problems with openoffice? it has hung my system completely... twice!
[11:56] <knucks> i need those guys who were helping us with mplayer back Funraiser
[11:56] <stazich> knucks : installing mplayer? me too
[11:57] <knucks> i upgraded to hoary becuase people told me its easier for an mplayer w/ gui
[11:57] <knucks> so now i dont know where to get ti and i cant find it
[11:57] <romUB> can someone help me with this problem->Can't get /etc/mtab~ lock filesmbmnt failed: 1
[11:58] <djp> knucks: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=9850&highlight=mplayer
[11:58] <knucks> and my printer wont shwo up
[11:58] <usual> daniels, scratch that idea, I think it's still screwed up :(
[11:59] <Funraiser> dunno knucks, looks like they left
[11:59] <JDahl> knucks, you've been had! downloading mplayer from its homepage compiling it yourself is a piece of cake... otherwise you can install 3rd party packages from marillat
[11:59] <knucks> lol
[11:59] <knucks> oh well