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| psy__ | T-None: ? | 12:23 |
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| T-None | psy__: what? I'm not there for long | 12:24 |
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| jdub | http://live.gnome.org/ProjectUtopia_2fPowerManagement_2fScreenshots | 12:26 |
| jdub | yay team | 12:26 |
| tseng | the second shot down is a little "heavy" | 12:27 |
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| jdub | yeah | 12:28 |
| jdub | davidz :) | 12:28 |
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| psy__ | T-None: why the nick-change? | 12:31 |
| psy__ | jdub: :) | 12:31 |
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| thierry | I'd like to help, do you have any easy to fix bugs for me? | 12:33 |
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| psy__ | thierry: you silly... if anyone knows on fore-hand a bug is easy to fix... wouldn't it been done already? | 12:35 |
| thierry | :) yeah but some too busy people sometimes get to harder task to I tough maybe someone could point me some easy ones... | 12:35 |
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| seb128 | mdz, jdub: is that ok to update gksu to the new version ? The new version is basically the merge of the differents patches with some changes that fix the sound issue | 12:45 |
| seb128 | it's in debian for a week | 12:45 |
| jdub | if you've checked it and are happy with it, sure :) | 12:46 |
| seb128 | yep, I have | 12:46 |
| seb128 | k, thanks ;) | 12:47 |
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| thierry | seb128, I want fix Ubuntu bug 3176 but I don't know where to add the code, any Idea? | 12:52 |
| seb128 | I think you have already asked a bunch of time here and on the gnome IRC today, nop, sorry | 12:52 |
| thierry | k... It's really easy to fix but I just don't know where | 12:53 |
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| seb128 | look on a default bookmark and grep for it in the mozilla-firefox sources | 12:53 |
| seb128 | (just an idea) | 12:53 |
| thierry | seb128, already tried but I didn't work... can you give me example of the use of grep for like bob bookmark | 12:54 |
| jdub | seb128: just testing gnome#169347 ;) | 12:55 |
| ajmitch | afternoon all | 12:55 |
| jdub | thierry: grep -irl bookmark * | 12:55 |
| jdub | man grep is pretty handy :) | 12:56 |
| thierry | jdub, I know but it's hard to find exactly what you want in it | 12:56 |
| seb128 | jdub: nice, quick patch on this one :) | 12:56 |
| seb128 | thierry: grep "www\.oneurl" | 12:57 |
| seb128 | thierry: the URL is probably not in a lot of places | 12:57 |
| thierry | seb128, great idea! thanks | 12:58 |
| seb128 | np | 12:59 |
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| thierry | seb128, I did grep "http://www.mozilla.org/support/firefox/" but it stands there like if was waiting something... I know search can be long but it's been about 5 minutes and still nothing | 01:03 |
| seb128 | hum | 01:04 |
| seb128 | k, I'm downloading the sources | 01:04 |
| thierry | seb128, that's what happen about 4 time on 5 when I grep something | 01:04 |
| seb128 | firefox sources not small | 01:04 |
| thierry | k | 01:04 |
| seb128 | are not small even | 01:04 |
| seb128 | it's going to take some minutes to download | 01:05 |
| thierry | k | 01:06 |
| psy__ | nn | 01:07 |
| seb128 | jdub: working on #7239 ? | 01:08 |
| jdub | seb128: looking at it ;) | 01:09 |
| seb128 | cool, thanks :) | 01:09 |
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| thierry | seb128: about 10 minutes and still nothing... | 01:17 |
| thierry | just waiting... | 01:17 |
| seb128 | you ? | 01:17 |
| seb128 | hum | 01:17 |
| seb128 | if you don't give a second argument to grep you can wait forever :p | 01:17 |
| thierry | seb128, and what is supposed to be the second argument? | 01:18 |
| seb128 | man grep | 01:18 |
| seb128 | where grep should search | 01:18 |
| thierry | ho ok! | 01:19 |
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| seb128 | thierry: I think than you are looking for profile/defaults/bookmarks.html in the sources | 01:21 |
| thierry | seb128: sort of but in the top of this file there's this : | 01:22 |
| thierry | <!-- This is an automatically generated file. | 01:22 |
| thierry | It will be read and overwritten. | 01:22 |
| thierry | Do Not Edit! --> | 01:22 |
| thierry | seb128, so I don't think this it... | 01:22 |
| seb128 | that's probably true once installed | 01:23 |
| seb128 | but I'm not sure in the source package | 01:23 |
| seb128 | you can try to build a package with it changed | 01:23 |
| zul | jdub: ping | 01:24 |
| jdub | zul: pong | 01:24 |
| zul | jdub: did tseng talk to you? | 01:25 |
| thierry | seb128, ok I'll try | 01:25 |
| mdz | seb128: gksu is OK by me | 01:25 |
| seb128 | mdz: k, thanks | 01:25 |
| zul | jdub: inotify 0.20 homer kernel: inotify enabled! | 01:27 |
| zul | Mar 6 08:37:27 homer kernel: inotify device minor=63 | 01:27 |
| tseng | everything works but gamin polling /media still | 01:29 |
| tseng | i think ill have to post to the mailing list about that | 01:29 |
| jdub | rockin'! | 01:29 |
| zul | <elvis>thank you...thank you very much</elvis> | 01:30 |
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| srbaker | anyone here have any luck with eclipse with gcj4 ? | 01:31 |
| thierry | seb128, Ok I've made the changes, now how do I build this firefox from source without broking my current firefox installation? | 01:34 |
| mdz | jdub: so it looks like we may have been bailed out as far as inotify for hoary | 01:36 |
| mdz | jdub: but what about polypaudio? | 01:36 |
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| jdub | mdz: no traction from upstream, i think we should bail out | 01:37 |
| jdub | mdz: no huge loss, esound still works | 01:37 |
| jdub | and i've fixed an annoying bug in esound | 01:37 |
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| seb128 | after breaking it first :p | 01:38 |
| seb128 | *g* :) | 01:38 |
| jdub | it's no fun otherwise :) | 01:38 |
| jdub | seb128: dude, what did you have for breakfast this morning? | 01:38 |
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| mdz | FREEDOM JUICE | 01:39 |
| dholbach | :-) | 01:39 |
| mdz | jdub: what are the blockers, apart from it apparently being total shit on ppc? | 01:39 |
| seb128 | jdub: that's sunday, just some good sleep :p | 01:39 |
| jdub | mdz: esound protocol sample caching issues | 01:40 |
| jdub | mdz: (login/out sounds, unreliable sound effects) | 01:40 |
| jdub | mdz: /tmp/.esd not killed when daemon exits | 01:41 |
| mdz | I haven't seen any problems with sound effects, and the last time we discussed the login/out problem it sounded like it was fixable | 01:41 |
| jdub | it's fixable unreliably atm | 01:41 |
| jdub | you're probably not noticing that sound effects only happen intermittently :) | 01:41 |
| jdub | general cpu usage issues, but probably fixable by changing frame periods, etc. | 01:42 |
| jdub | also verbose logging (seb128's favourite) | 01:43 |
| seb128 | robtaylor has a lag between image and sound in totem too | 01:43 |
| HrdwrBoB | yeah running esound with movies can result in enourmous lag | 01:43 |
| HrdwrBoB | gets to be several seconds by the end of a 1.5hr movie | 01:43 |
| jdub | seb128: that's fixable, but i wouldn't regard it as a regression (esound is worse) ;-) | 01:43 |
| tseng | actually ive noticed some lag with muine | 01:44 |
| seb128 | yeah :) | 01:44 |
| crimsun | it does seem to be notoriously unreliable across many ubuntu hoary installs; some people have to wrangle to get sounds to work | 01:44 |
| crimsun | others have it work by default | 01:44 |
| jdub | there's also something really weird going on between upgrades and sessions | 01:44 |
| jdub | crimsun: yeah | 01:44 |
| jdub | i do not get that one at all | 01:44 |
| crimsun | neither do I, but it's a significant problem for people dist-upgrading from warty | 01:45 |
| jdub | significant in that we can't determine why it works sometimes and doesn't other timgs ;) | 01:45 |
| crimsun | true | 01:45 |
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| mdz | daniels: thanks for the update to the doc team | 01:56 |
| daniels | mdz: no worries. i'll be unreachable for most of today, but public transport is a double-edged sword: it takes a bit longer, but I can work on it. so I'll be hacking on the Debconfiscation, 'cause I think I have a pretty good idea of how to fix it for upgrades. | 01:58 |
| zul | mdz: i just sent an update on inotify to the kernel mailing list | 01:58 |
| mdz | daniels: I think we need to release preview with what we have now; there isn't time to test debconfiscation changes | 01:59 |
| mdz | zul: kernel-team@? | 01:59 |
| daniels | mdz: *nod*, those were my thoughts also | 01:59 |
| zul | mdz: yep | 01:59 |
| daniels | mdz: allows me a bit more time for testing all the possible scenarios also | 01:59 |
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| mdz | daniels: and to triage the oodles of bug reports we'll get from preview | 02:00 |
| jdub | seb128: i'm tempted to link libesd.so.0 to libesd.so.1 -> your call? | 02:00 |
| mdz | thom: around? | 02:00 |
| daniels | mdz: yeah | 02:00 |
| seb128 | jdub: urg | 02:00 |
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| mdz | haggai: I am very excited that oo.o2 can open files with spaces in the pathname :-) | 02:01 |
| seb128 | jdub: why libesd.so.1 ? | 02:01 |
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| jdub | seb128: stupid proprietary software (flash) | 02:01 |
| daniels | mdz: ok, i'll likely be gone for the next ... realistically about 7h | 02:02 |
| daniels | mdz: with any luck, this should be the last of the paperwork | 02:02 |
| mdz | daniels: can you send me an approximate calendar for you for this week? | 02:02 |
| mdz | daniels: do you have an estimated date for broadband yet? | 02:02 |
| seb128 | jdub: that's really ugly ... but there is a new esound with a soname change around ? | 02:02 |
| daniels | mdz: mind if I do that when I get back? just about to run out the door to catch the last bus for the next hour now | 02:02 |
| daniels | mdz: when I move in + about a week or two; i'll have a better idea after today. even while I'm on dialup, I'll be walking distance from 100MBit though, so I can burst as much as I need | 02:03 |
| mdz | daniels: ok, please | 02:03 |
| daniels | mdz: i've got my phone with me if needed | 02:03 |
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| dholbach | seb128: i have glibmm and gnome-vfsmm ready on http://ubuntu.gplan.info/mm | 02:03 |
| seb128 | dholbach: nice | 02:04 |
| jdub | seb128: strings ~/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so | grep esd | 02:04 |
| seb128 | "No such file" | 02:04 |
| seb128 | flash sucks :p | 02:04 |
| jdub | heh | 02:04 |
| mdz | jordi: did you realize that you have sold your soul? | 02:04 |
| dholbach | seb128: i'll need glibmm-2.6.0 for gtkmm-2.6.0 and gtkmm-2.6.0 for the other ones | 02:04 |
| jdub | $ strings ~/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so | grep libesd | 02:04 |
| jdub | libesd.so | 02:04 |
| jdub | libesd.so.1 | 02:04 |
| jdub | it's bizarre | 02:04 |
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| seb128 | $ strings /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/libflashplayer.so | grep esd | 02:05 |
| seb128 | libesd.so.1 | 02:05 |
| seb128 | right :) | 02:05 |
| jdub | sucks so much you installed it system wide! | 02:05 |
| jdub | :-) | 02:05 |
| seb128 | :p | 02:05 |
| seb128 | remember, I'm french :) | 02:05 |
| zul | heh..french :) | 02:09 |
| Burgundavia | mdz: updates to doc team? | 02:10 |
| mdz | Burgundavia: x.org summary for the release notes | 02:10 |
| Burgundavia | mdz: ah | 02:10 |
| lupusBE | bleh c'est une language tres difficile pour moi :) | 02:10 |
| seb128 | he he | 02:15 |
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| mroth | crimsun: what should I do with the kern.log, open a new bug with it in bugzilla, or is there something else to check first? | 02:16 |
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| crimsun | mroth: you need to compare it with output from booting the machine with the usb device plugged in | 02:18 |
| mroth | alright, i'll boot it again for sake of consistency, bbiaf with results | 02:20 |
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| mroth | crimsun: hrm, interestingly enough, it appears the freeze is prior to kernel logging begins, since kern.log isnt touched from the boots where it freezes | 02:27 |
| crimsun | mroth: zul suggested it very well could be an irq conflict | 02:28 |
| mroth | wouldnt that happen independantly of the software then? since the problem is linux specific | 02:29 |
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| zul | is this a new install? | 02:33 |
| mroth | no, its been on hoary for the past 3-4 months at least | 02:34 |
| zul | latop/desktop? | 02:35 |
| mroth | desktop | 02:35 |
| zul | have you tried with booting pci=noacpi and the like? | 02:36 |
| mroth | yeah, sometimes that fixes it, but I tend to not do that since I'd rather unplug the thing before boot and still have ACPI | 02:36 |
| mroth | since it works fine if you plug it in post-boot | 02:37 |
| zul | well open up a bug and will have a look at it closer | 02:37 |
| mroth | kernel-package? | 02:38 |
| zul | linux | 02:38 |
| mroth | entered as bug #7258 | 02:47 |
| zul | thanks | 02:47 |
| mroth | should I set target to 5.04 to indicate this is experienced in hoary? | 02:48 |
| zul | sure..can you include your demsg as well thanks | 02:48 |
| mroth | sure.. how would I obtain dmesg from an unsuccessful boot? I assume you want one from a bad boot, not a successful one without the reader | 02:49 |
| zul | you can check your kern.log i believe | 02:49 |
| mdz | mroth: the target milestone field is used for us to catalogue which bugs need to be fixed in which stage of the release | 02:49 |
| mdz | mroth: please leave it untouched | 02:49 |
| mroth | mdz: I thought that might be what it was for, which is why I asked, heh | 02:49 |
| mroth | (left untouched) | 02:50 |
| mroth | zul: kern.log isnt being written for the bad boots, i think its freezing prior to kernel logging to disk being init'd | 02:51 |
| zul | hmm ok | 02:52 |
| mroth | hmm.. i could probably turn off quiet mode and just take a digicam pic of the screen? | 02:52 |
| zul | bbl | 02:54 |
| mroth | is there a kernel arg for verbose logging to screen? going to see how much info i can nab | 02:56 |
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| zul | mroth: you could try removing quiet from your grub when you first boot | 03:01 |
| mroth | yeah, removing quiet doesnt seem to be quite as verbose as what normally gets put in kern.log though | 03:01 |
| ogra | night | 03:17 |
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| zul | later | 03:48 |
| mdz | ogra: you rock | 03:58 |
| dholbach | mdz: he's to bed already | 04:01 |
| dholbach | mdz: but i'll tell him, he'll be pleased to hear :-) | 04:01 |
| mdz | dholbach: thanks | 04:11 |
| dholbach | mdz: de rien | 04:11 |
| mdz | dholbach: do you live near ogra? | 04:12 |
| mdz | I suppose not, if you're awake | 04:12 |
| dholbach | mdz: it's 150km to him :-) | 04:14 |
| dholbach | and i'm just mad to be still awake | 04:14 |
| mdz | apparently | 04:15 |
| dholbach | hehe :-) | 04:15 |
| dholbach | i wanted to finish the libg*mm updates | 04:15 |
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| mjg59 | I've managed to make nstx solid. Go me. | 04:15 |
| HrdwrBoB | daniels wanted nstx to use cnames because telstra blocked the TXT records | 04:16 |
| mjg59 | Haha | 04:16 |
| dholbach | well i'm off to bed now... good night | 04:20 |
| mdz | dholbach: night | 04:23 |
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| Benoni | jdub, mdz ... either of you fellows around? | 06:30 |
| Benoni | OK, I'll throw this out to the general crowd then. | 06:32 |
| Benoni | I'm working on a change to the build processes for an Ubuntu package. | 06:32 |
| ajmitch | what changes? | 06:33 |
| Benoni | Starting with "*.orig.tar.gz" and "*.diff.gz", how should I organize things so as to make it as easy as possible to build a new "*.diff.gz" file after I've made my changes? | 06:33 |
| Benoni | ajmitch, this is some experimental work with bug-hunting feedback instrumenation. | 06:34 |
| ajmitch | add a new version in the changelog, when you build the package a new .diff.gz will be built | 06:35 |
| ajmitch | if you wish to go that way | 06:35 |
| Benoni | I've been chatting with jdub, seb128, mdz, and Luis Villa about it in e-mail. | 06:35 |
| Benoni | ajmitch, what I don't understand is how the diff is built later. There's the tree I've modified, but where does it look for the pristine reference tree? | 06:36 |
| crimsun | orig.tar.gz | 06:36 |
| Benoni | Oh, I see. So the diff-building tool looks for the pristine sources right in the gzip'd tarball. Cool. | 06:36 |
| Benoni | That's easy enough. | 06:36 |
| Benoni | Thanks, crimsun. | 06:37 |
| === Benoni has a head full of RPM trivia, and is still learning his way around the Debian packaging universe. | ||
| jdub | yo Benoni | 06:40 |
| Benoni | Hey, jdub! | 06:41 |
| Benoni | As you can see, your colleagues are keeping my questions nice and answered. | 06:41 |
| jdub | :-) | 06:42 |
| Benoni | Quck status update: | 06:42 |
| Benoni | I've got reasonable ".deb" packages being built for my instrumentor and the various supporting tools. | 06:43 |
| Benoni | The instrumenting compiler seems to be working just fine, no changes required at all. | 06:43 |
| Benoni | Now I'm looking at what it takes to CBI'ify a sample application. Rhythmbox is my chosen test subject. | 06:44 |
| Benoni | I expect I'll end up with a couple of "dh_*" helper commands that one tosses into the "debian/rules" file in appropriate places. | 06:44 |
| Benoni | That should cover most of what's needed beyond just switching compilers. | 06:44 |
| jdub | hrm, what kind of stuff? | 06:45 |
| Benoni | As I noted in an earlier e-mail message, there are a few assorted other things to do, e.g.: | 06:45 |
| Benoni | install an extra GConf spec file | 06:45 |
| Benoni | move actual binaries out of /usr/bin and replace them with wrapper scripts that call the real binaries stored elsewhere | 06:46 |
| jdub | a new schema file per package? | 06:46 |
| Benoni | Yeah. | 06:46 |
| Benoni | "GConf spec file" should have been "GConf schema file" | 06:46 |
| jdub | we could do those on the buildd | 06:46 |
| Benoni | What's "the buildd"? | 06:46 |
| jdub | the machines that build everything :-) | 06:47 |
| Benoni | Ah. | 06:47 |
| Benoni | So I guess my question for you is how should I codify the changes that are required when building a CBI-instrumented package? | 06:47 |
| Benoni | I was assuming it would be codified as changes to "debian/rules" and perhaps a few extra files also under "debian". | 06:48 |
| Benoni | But perhaps that's not the most useful form. | 06:48 |
| jdub | doing it in one package and documenting your changes is good | 06:48 |
| Benoni | OK. | 06:49 |
| jdub | so if we decide to do it for a large selection of packages, we can fiddle with the buildd | 06:49 |
| Benoni | To whatever extent I can, I'll try to encapsulate the changes in scripts that figure things out by themselves. | 06:50 |
| Benoni | For the most part, those scripts already exist and are used when building instrumened RPMs. | 06:50 |
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| Benoni | Ack, late-night high-priority support request from a colleague in an inconvenient time zone. I'll have to pick this discussion up later. | 06:55 |
| === Benoni wave to jdub et al. | ||
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| whiprush | man, those web design entries are awesome. | 07:12 |
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| fabbione | hey | 07:39 |
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| crimsun | wb fabbione! | 07:45 |
| fabbione | hey crimsun | 07:45 |
| crimsun | things going well? | 07:45 |
| fabbione | crimsun: well first day at work after honeymoon... you decide :) | 07:46 |
| opi | fabbione: sounds nasty :) | 07:46 |
| crimsun | :-) | 07:46 |
| opi | fabbione: one hint: don't read mails or/and see what's on voicemail :P | 07:46 |
| fabbione | opi: ahha | 07:47 |
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| fabbione | hey pitti | 08:12 |
| pitti | Morning | 08:12 |
| pitti | Hi fabbione, welcome back!!! | 08:13 |
| fabbione | thanks dude | 08:13 |
| pitti | fabbione: did you have a nice honeymoon? | 08:13 |
| fabbione | yeah it was cool | 08:14 |
| pitti | or, rather, warm? :-) | 08:14 |
| fabbione | heheh that too :-) | 08:14 |
| daniels | fabio! | 08:15 |
| fabbione | hey kid! | 08:15 |
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| daniels | ciao bella! how was your honeymoon? | 08:15 |
| fabbione | it was great fun | 08:15 |
| fabbione | i am gonna put pics online later today | 08:16 |
| fabbione | me with galapagos penguins :-) | 08:16 |
| daniels | heheh | 08:16 |
| daniels | fantastic! | 08:16 |
| daniels | i gotta go help mum with food now, back a bit later | 08:16 |
| fabbione | sure later | 08:16 |
| Micksa | why would gnome-panel and nautilus segv on startup, from a clean account? | 08:24 |
| Micksa | in hoary | 08:24 |
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| Benoni | In a "debian/control" file, can one use backslashes to break up long Build-Depends lists over several lines? | 08:25 |
| elmo | no | 08:27 |
| fabbione | Benoni: nope.. it has to be on one line | 08:27 |
| fabbione | hey elmo! | 08:27 |
| Micksa | I think my problem might be due to missing packages but I wouldn't know which ones I need | 08:27 |
| elmo | hey fabbione - have a good time? | 08:27 |
| fabbione | elmo: i need to send you a pic that you must put on galapagos in the dc :-) | 08:27 |
| Micksa | besides "gnome-panel" :) | 08:27 |
| fabbione | elmo: oh yeah.. it was great | 08:27 |
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| Benoni | OK fabbione, thanks for the info. Too bad it wasn't what I was hoping to hear. ;-) | 08:28 |
| fabbione | np | 08:28 |
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| dholbach | good morning | 08:38 |
| T-None | hey fabbione! Welcome back aboard! :) | 08:40 |
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| === fabbione sighs | ||
| fabbione | ok | 08:41 |
| abelli | fabbione: ciao. | 08:44 |
| fabbione | ciao | 08:44 |
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| daniels | can you guys please grab http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/pcibustype.c, compile it (with -DDEBUG if you want), and point it at your video card, and let me know if it works out pci/agp/pcie correctly? | 08:59 |
| daniels | to find out your video card's PCI ID, run lspci -X | grep 'VGA compatible controller' | cut -f1 -d' ' | 09:00 |
| daniels | e.g. sudo ./pcibustype $(lspci -X | grep 'VGA Compatible controller' | cut -f1 -d' ') | 09:00 |
| fabbione | daniels: remind me in a few minutes :-) | 09:00 |
| daniels | er, sorry | 09:00 |
| daniels | e.g. sudo ./pcibustype $(lspci -X | grep 'VGA compatible controller' | cut -f1 -d' ') | 09:00 |
| daniels | fabbione: sure :) | 09:00 |
| pitti | daniels: | 09:00 |
| pitti | $ ./a.out PCI:1:0:0 | 09:01 |
| pitti | failed reading from offset % | 09:01 |
| pitti | couldn't read capability | 09:01 |
| daniels | pitti: sweet! | 09:01 |
| daniels | that's on powerpc, yeah? | 09:01 |
| pitti | daniels: no, i386 | 09:01 |
| daniels | really? | 09:01 |
| jdub | $ sudo ./pcibustype PCI:0:2:0 pci | 09:01 |
| crimsun | fails here, too. i686. | 09:01 |
| daniels | pitti: could you please build with -DDEBUG and /msg me the output? | 09:01 |
| jdub | run it with sudo | 09:02 |
| daniels | er yeah, sudo is important :) | 09:02 |
| jdub | $ ./pcibustype PCI:0:2:0 | 09:02 |
| jdub | failed reading from offset % | 09:02 |
| jdub | couldn't read capability | 09:02 |
| pitti | daniels: oops, forgot sudo | 09:02 |
| jdub | :-) | 09:02 |
| daniels | only root can read the PCI caps | 09:02 |
| pitti | daniels: on i386: "agp" | 09:02 |
| daniels | pitti: is that right? :) | 09:02 |
| pitti | daniels: yes, that's right | 09:02 |
| crimsun | for me: "agp". That is correct. | 09:02 |
| daniels | pitti: for bonus points, could you please try on powerpc? | 09:02 |
| pitti | daniels: on my iBook G4: "pci" (without sudo) | 09:02 |
| daniels | pitti: hmm. is it an agp card, d'you know? | 09:03 |
| pitti | daniels: with sudo: "agp" too | 09:03 |
| jdub | pci on my laptop, agp on my desktop | 09:03 |
| pitti | daniels: err, "pci", too | 09:03 |
| daniels | pitti: ah right | 09:03 |
| daniels | er, hm | 09:03 |
| pitti | daniels: actually this should be agp, too... | 09:03 |
| daniels | pitti: if you run sudo lspci -v -v -v, is it listed as having AGP in the capabilities section? | 09:03 |
| pitti | daniels: but I'm not sure | 09:03 |
| pitti | okay | 09:03 |
| daniels | turns out that the one in my laptop is PCI as well; may be something to do with an integrated bridge? who knows | 09:03 |
| pitti | daniels: Capabilities: [58] AGP version 2.0 | 09:04 |
| daniels | d'oh | 09:04 |
| pitti | daniels: DEBUG then? | 09:04 |
| jordi | mdz: hmm? because of evolution? :) | 09:04 |
| daniels | could you please build with -DDEBUG and send me the full output in /msg? | 09:04 |
| daniels | yeah | 09:04 |
| jordi | mdz: I'm worried, yes. :) | 09:04 |
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| jdub | daniels: all fine here, my laptop doesn't seem to have agp | 09:05 |
| fabbione | daniels: | 09:06 |
| fabbione | * Use "Dev Phys" and USB device IDs in xorg.conf, instead of relying on the | 09:06 |
| fabbione | hotplug handlers to set up /dev/multiuser. | 09:06 |
| fabbione | this is wrong :-) | 09:06 |
| daniels | fabbione: bah | 09:06 |
| daniels | fabbione: hotplug never cauthg PS/2, for one | 09:06 |
| fabbione | it does | 09:07 |
| fabbione | it takes longer due to the nature of the bus | 09:07 |
| daniels | hmm. well, on my system and on gus's too, we just never got it | 09:07 |
| daniels | even after sleeping for 10 seconds | 09:07 |
| fabbione | it was working here | 09:07 |
| daniels | so we were losing a lot of input ... that was just my quick fix | 09:07 |
| daniels | hm. well if we can fix it that would be great, but that was just what I had to do to get it working for both of us | 09:07 |
| daniels | jdub: cool | 09:07 |
| fabbione | the reason why you should not use Dev Phys in xorg.conf is because you bind 2 config files even more | 09:07 |
| fabbione | if the admin wants to move a keyboard from one hub to another | 09:07 |
| fabbione | it needs to change config in 2 places | 09:08 |
| fabbione | and restart all of X | 09:08 |
| fabbione | for all the 4 heads | 09:08 |
| fabbione | with the other solution is one change and one kill -USR2 | 09:08 |
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| fabbione | that was the all reason of updating the evdev patch to allow path to /dev | 09:11 |
| daniels | well, we have multiseat-configurator now | 09:19 |
| daniels | so theoretically you update multiseat.conf and re-run m-c | 09:19 |
| fabbione | did you update the code in hotplug to kill the proper server? | 09:19 |
| daniels | but yeah ... if we can get the hotplug stuff fixed (lots of devices just weren't registering for me -- i missed one usb mouse and one ps/2; gus was missing the ps/2 and two usb, iirc), i'm happy to keep using that :) | 09:20 |
| daniels | nope | 09:20 |
| fabbione | on my test install with 0.4 only the ps2 was NOT detected | 09:20 |
| fabbione | but i figured that there was something else wrong | 09:20 |
| fabbione | and it wasn't a multiseat error | 09:20 |
| fabbione | i think the entry in /proc/bus/input/devices is created only after the first ps2 bytes are received on the bus | 09:21 |
| daniels | oh | 09:21 |
| daniels | that's shit | 09:21 |
| fabbione | becuase strangely enough it was always the last entry in that list | 09:21 |
| fabbione | but had no time to dig more into it | 09:21 |
| fabbione | galapagos were waiting for me :-) | 09:21 |
| daniels | heh, yeah :) fair enough, too | 09:23 |
| daniels | fabbione: pcibustype.c at least solves the 'which card is AGP?' problem | 09:24 |
| daniels | stupid VGA routing :\ | 09:24 |
| fabbione | what problem is that? | 09:24 |
| daniels | you HAVE to bring up the primary card (i.e. the one taking VGA interrupts) last | 09:25 |
| daniels | else your machine will hang solid | 09:25 |
| fabbione | uh? | 09:26 |
| daniels | i wasn't seeing this problem because the agp card in my machine was listed last in lspci | 09:26 |
| fabbione | i always init AGP as first in my setup | 09:26 |
| fabbione | and it works fine | 09:26 |
| daniels | so if you look in multiseat-configurator, we make sure the agp card comes last, since that's generally the primary | 09:26 |
| daniels | weird -- could be a revision-specific thing with gus's setup? | 09:26 |
| fabbione | weird | 09:26 |
| daniels | but it was definitely hanging until we did that | 09:26 |
| fabbione | hmmm | 09:26 |
| daniels | which was a 'what the hell, trying this can't hurt' thing at 5am | 09:26 |
| fabbione | now.. i remember the old multiseat setup from that was doing that | 09:27 |
| fabbione | init the agp as last | 09:27 |
| daniels | yeah | 09:27 |
| fabbione | but i never had that problem with our setup | 09:27 |
| daniels | might be a motherboard thing | 09:30 |
| daniels | or even a bios rev thing | 09:30 |
| fabbione | yup | 09:30 |
| daniels | vga routing is a tricky beast | 09:31 |
| daniels | there are lots of good things about vga. and so, so many bad things. | 09:31 |
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| pitti | Hi mvo | 09:35 |
| mvo | hi pitti | 09:35 |
| froud | mvo | 09:36 |
| froud | do you read your memoserv | 09:36 |
| daniels | pitti: it's OK thanks, I can throw a PCI card in my amd64 here | 09:36 |
| pitti | daniels: ok | 09:36 |
| daniels | thanks for the testing though | 09:36 |
| pitti | you're welcome | 09:36 |
| dholbach | hellas mvo | 09:37 |
| froud | mvo: I have a draft of the update-manager manual ready, but no access to svn, so can't get it to you. Also have questions. | 09:38 |
| mvo | hi froud, hi dholbach, morning all | 09:38 |
| mvo | froud: I don't read my memos, didn't knew that I have any :) | 09:39 |
| froud | :-) | 09:39 |
| froud | ok' | 09:39 |
| froud | how can I get this stuff over to you | 09:39 |
| mvo | froud: just send it via mail to me, that's savest | 09:40 |
| mvo | froud: I'll try to talk to mithario about your account again | 09:40 |
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| daniels | lamont: ping | 09:58 |
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| pitti | Morning carlos | 10:05 |
| carlos | pitti: morning | 10:06 |
| fabbione | ola carlos | 10:08 |
| carlos | fabbione: hey! | 10:08 |
| carlos | fabbione: welcome | 10:08 |
| === fabbione feels full of spanish these days :-) | ||
| carlos | fabbione: how was your trip? | 10:09 |
| fabbione | it was great | 10:09 |
| fabbione | lot of fun | 10:09 |
| carlos | cool | 10:09 |
| mvo | fabbione: hey! welcome back! | 10:10 |
| fabbione | hey mvo! | 10:10 |
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| carlos_ | fabbione: dude, jordi does not remembered that he was your AM!! | 10:14 |
| fabbione | ehhehe | 10:15 |
| daniels | ah, back when fabio was a little nm :) | 10:15 |
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| fabbione | that's because, as any good padowa, i overtook his place of jedimaster | 10:18 |
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| carlos | (jordi) that's bullshit dude :) | 10:20 |
| carlos | jordi is without network atm | 10:21 |
| mvo | ping doko | 10:29 |
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| Kamion | hey fabbione, welcome back | 10:39 |
| abelli | Kamion: is there any netinst in ubuntu? | 10:39 |
| Kamion | abelli: no | 10:39 |
| abelli | Kamion: thx | 10:40 |
| fabbione | hey Kamion! thanks | 10:40 |
| fabbione | Kamion: how is the overall situation? | 10:40 |
| Kamion | with regard to what? :) | 10:41 |
| fabbione | everything? :) | 10:41 |
| Kamion | looking pretty good for hoary preview | 10:42 |
| fabbione | cool | 10:42 |
| fabbione | ok mails are done.. time to start upgrading some machines | 10:43 |
| Kamion | if you mean personally, all well :) still deep in wedding planning, we have a meeting with caterers today | 10:43 |
| fabbione | 17K mails -> trash | 10:43 |
| fabbione | Kamion: thanks god i am over it | 10:43 |
| abelli | ehehe | 10:43 |
| fabbione | Kamion: but you are going to have a lot of fun with planning | 10:43 |
| Kamion | yeah, I know :) | 10:45 |
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| dholbach | hi dredg | 10:46 |
| dholbach | what do i do wrong, when i get dbus_bindings.DBusException: Connection ":1.7" is not allowed to add more match rules (increase limits in configuration file if required) when i start hal-device-manager? | 10:47 |
| mvo | dholbach: you have it too? | 10:49 |
| mvo | I got a bug assigned about that problem | 10:49 |
| mvo | dholbach: don't touch your system, I want to know what it is! | 10:49 |
| Treenaks | h-d-m DOES set a lot of match ruls.. | 10:49 |
| Treenaks | +e | 10:49 |
| dholbach | mvo: i'll set up some black tea, when will you be here? | 10:50 |
| dholbach | mvo: :-) | 10:50 |
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| doko | pong: mvo | 10:52 |
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| mvo | doko: you have mail :) | 10:53 |
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| fabbione | hey seb! | 11:04 |
| daniels | yo seb | 11:05 |
| seb128 | morning | 11:05 |
| pitti | Hi seb128 | 11:05 |
| mirak | why does ubuntu ppc on macintosh tries to install quik boot loader instead of Yaboot ? | 11:06 |
| mirak | how can I change this default | 11:06 |
| seb128 | hi fabbione daniels pitti :) | 11:06 |
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| Kamion | mirak: what kind of Mac? | 11:13 |
| dholbach | hai seb128 | 11:19 |
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| Kamion | mirak: also what does 'archdetect' say if you run it on tty2? | 11:20 |
| dholbach | seb128: gtkmm and gnomeuimm are up, at http://ubuntu.gplan.info/mm/, libglademm has to wait for gtkmm | 11:20 |
| jdub | pitti: ? | 11:24 |
| pitti | jdub: still debugging the assertion failure on ppc | 11:24 |
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| jdub | pitti: golly. | 11:24 |
| pitti | jdub: it tries to play a 682 byte block with 16 Bit/stereo | 11:24 |
| pitti | jdub: which has a frame size of 4 bytes, and 682 % 4 != 0 | 11:25 |
| pitti | jdub: I think it forgets to update the block size on mono->stereo remixing | 11:25 |
| pitti | jdub: because the original mono sample is 682 bytes, too | 11:25 |
| pitti | jdub: or that is not #bytes, but #frames | 11:25 |
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| pitti | jdub: but the source code is so spaghetti-like, it is hard to grok it | 11:26 |
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| abelli | cat vmlinuz > /dev/audio | 11:29 |
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| jdub | pitti: the kind of code that would appeal to a kernel hacker? :) | 11:31 |
| pitti | jdub: no, totally different :-) | 11:31 |
| jdub | heh | 11:31 |
| pitti | jdub: lots of void*, lots of asynchronous code | 11:31 |
| pitti | jdub: event-based | 11:31 |
| jdub | aha | 11:32 |
| pitti | jdub: and, of course, without useful comments :-( | 11:32 |
| daniels | everyone loves void pointers | 11:32 |
| pitti | yeah, they are so easy to debug | 11:32 |
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| jdub | ;-) | 11:34 |
| jdub | pitti: lennart would love your feedback, he's been really response (at least until he went to egypt) | 11:34 |
| jdub | responsive | 11:34 |
| pitti | jdub: does he know about this bug already? | 11:35 |
| jdub | pitti: yes, but hasn't been around much at all | 11:35 |
| jdub | pitti: he came back from egypt, mailed once, but radio silence since then | 11:35 |
| pitti | :-( | 11:36 |
| jdub | pitti: have you looked at polyp svn? | 11:36 |
| pitti | fears our bashing :-) | 11:36 |
| pitti | jdub: no, just the current package | 11:36 |
| mvo | daniels: can you please have a quick look over #7188 (dbus) and tell me if my proposed solution sounds about right | 11:36 |
| Keybuk | meh :-/ so it wasn't just laptop I was using last time | 11:36 |
| Keybuk | something about my home network and Mark's NAT are not friends | 11:36 |
| ajmitch | pitti: seen the pax breakage on bugtraq? | 11:36 |
| jdub | Keybuk: you're in his mac list? | 11:37 |
| daniels | jdub: he doesn't have one | 11:37 |
| daniels | Keybuk: pic seems to ditch ssh keepalives, among others | 11:37 |
| daniels | er, pix | 11:37 |
| daniels | mvo: sounds fine to me, feel free to upload | 11:38 |
| mvo | daniels: thanks | 11:38 |
| pitti | jdub: just looked at the svn, last commit is 2 months ago | 11:38 |
| Keybuk | jdub: no, last time going directly through his pix rather than through hagrid solved it | 11:39 |
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| pitti | ajmitch: yes, I saw it | 11:40 |
| pitti | ajmitch: I have to update my -hardened kernel | 11:41 |
| pitti | ajmitch: but I still have high-priority stuff to do before this | 11:41 |
| ajmitch | yes, that's why I was asking ,not that I've used them :) | 11:41 |
| pitti | ajmitch: however, was a pretty big shock :-( | 11:41 |
| ajmitch | yeah, I was surprised | 11:41 |
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| pitti | coool | 11:51 |
| lifeless | __keybuk: tell mark to do the reconfiguration I've prepped | 11:51 |
| lifeless | __keybuk: it may help | 11:51 |
| pitti | I was so often asked about a web-based package info interface for Ubuntu... | 11:51 |
| lifeless | the ssh keepalive thing will be the pix's short session lifetime counter | 11:51 |
| lifeless | (the first thing I do to any pix is ratchet that way up | 11:51 |
| daniels | my first step usually involves setting fire to it | 11:52 |
| __keybuk | lifeless: *shrug* going directly to the pix works fine (as now) | 11:52 |
| robtaylor_ | jdub: there? | 11:54 |
| jdub | yeah | 11:54 |
| robtaylor_ | jdub: ah, cool. backlog telle me you were chatting with seb about the polypaudio lag issue.. | 11:55 |
| mirak | Kamion: a mac G3, so not an oldworld | 11:55 |
| robtaylor_ | jdub: i get a second of lag atm =) | 11:55 |
| mirak | Kamion: archdetect command not found | 11:56 |
| mirak | Kamion: that's a debian I switched to ubuntu | 11:56 |
| robtaylor_ | jdub: i was chatting with the gstreamer guys and they pointed at esdsink not haveing delay reporting as a possible reason.. | 11:56 |
| robtaylor_ | jdub: that might also explain the varying lags you've seen | 11:57 |
| jdub | robtaylor_: yeah, that affects everything though | 11:57 |
| Kamion | mirak: archdetect> I mean while the installer is still running | 11:57 |
| jdub | robtaylor_: but both esound and polypaudio lag with other tools (xine) | 11:57 |
| mirak | Kamion: I don't know, I didn't installed ubuntu | 11:57 |
| mirak | I upgraded from debian | 11:57 |
| robtaylor_ | jdub: so so we know what conetxt the lags are appearing? | 11:57 |
| Kamion | mirak: oh, what exactly are you talking about then? | 11:57 |
| mirak | on debian it was using yaboot | 11:58 |
| Kamion | 10:06 < mirak> why does ubuntu ppc on macintosh tries to install quik boot loader instead of Yaboot ? | 11:58 |
| robtaylor_ | i've only tested with mpegs locally . | 11:58 |
| mirak | I also have debian on an oldworld and it runs quik | 11:58 |
| Kamion | while doing what? | 11:58 |
| mirak | Kamion: a dist-upgrade | 11:58 |
| mirak | upgrade of the kernel image | 11:58 |
| jdub | robtaylor_: polyp improves on esound, but it's not perfect yet | 11:58 |
| Kamion | *that's* the information I was looking for | 11:58 |
| mirak | Kamion: I though it was obvious :) | 11:58 |
| Kamion | no, it was not | 11:58 |
| Kamion | ok, I'll have a look at it | 11:59 |
| robtaylor_ | jdub: well its does improve in a number of ways, but a second lag on playing video is something terrible | 11:59 |
| jdub | robtaylor_: you'll get worse out of esound | 11:59 |
| lunitik | jdub: I still think at the least, we need a tool like Red Hat's s-c-sound or whatever... too many people have sound issues! | 11:59 |
| robtaylor_ | jdub: i'm not here as a user dude =) | 11:59 |
| jdub | seb128: (yikes - woooosh!) | 11:59 |
| seb128 | :) | 11:59 |
| robtaylor_ | jdub: what i want to know is if there enough known to attack the problem | 12:00 |
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| jdub | robtaylor_: sure, but you'd be wanting to speak to the gstreamer guys and lennart for polyp | 12:01 |
| jdub | robtaylor_: another option is fixing the gst-polyp src/sink | 12:01 |
| jdub | (possibly more useful than fixing esdsink) | 12:01 |
| robtaylor_ | jdub: might do that.. i have to learn about the sync stuff anyway for my rtp plugin =) | 12:02 |
| jdub | (you know, it would be a kinda neat hack to use rtp for network audio) | 12:03 |
| robtaylor_ | jdub: i know, that was the otehr thing iw as going to chatr you about.. | 12:03 |
| Mithrandir | jdub: seems flumotion doesn't have any amd64 love; gst falls over and dies. | 12:03 |
| jdub | Mithrandir: ooh, really? | 12:03 |
| sivang | Hello everybody | 12:03 |
| jdub | Mithrandir: doing something simple? | 12:03 |
| pitti | Hi sivang | 12:03 |
| sivang | hey pitti :) | 12:04 |
| Mithrandir | jdub: starting the director, a worker and the admin interface. | 12:04 |
| robtaylor_ | jdub: i've been thinking for a while that it would be neat to use jackd with the jackd-asyn sink, and use rtp for remote stuff ( again going to a locally running jackd with jackd-asyn at the end) | 12:04 |
| seb128 | jdub: about g-a-i/desktop files ? | 12:04 |
| jdub | Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 04:56:46 -0500 (EST) | 12:05 |
| jdub | ^ gnome-games on f-r-l | 12:05 |
| jdub | Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 11:24:52 +0100 | 12:05 |
| robtaylor_ | jdub: and pro guys can stick run the security hole, but it wound't necessarily be needed for normal users ;) | 12:05 |
| jdub | ^ gnome-games on hoary-changes | 12:05 |
| haggai | Mithrandir: any idea about #6762? The crash is in pango | 12:05 |
| jdub | ;-) | 12:05 |
| jdub | seb128: been working on it today | 12:05 |
| haggai | Mithrandir: could it perhaps be fixed already? I remember you doing something to pango | 12:05 |
| jdub | Mithrandir: so you're not actually running a flow? | 12:06 |
| Mithrandir | jdub: before I even get to that. | 12:07 |
| Mithrandir | jdub: seems like the video test source is crashing, actually. | 12:07 |
| Mithrandir | haggai: oopadmin/spadmin probably isn't wrapped in my glorious pango hack | 12:07 |
| haggai | Mithrandir: ah right | 12:08 |
| Mithrandir | haggai: that's my first guess at least. | 12:08 |
| haggai | Mithrandir: sounds like a good guess | 12:08 |
| Mithrandir | haggai: you want me to look at it post-preview? | 12:09 |
| haggai | Mithrandir: yes please if you could, I don't have a machine here. How complicated is your pango hack? An alternative would be to disable the gtk frontend for padmin, would be a simple envvar export in the script | 12:10 |
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| Mithrandir | haggai: it's a LD_PRELOAD | 12:11 |
| haggai | Mithrandir: ah so similar effort | 12:12 |
| sivang | gtk-gnutella is still b0rked right? | 12:12 |
| sivang | (I just checked and I see it's missing the binary) | 12:13 |
| crimsun | sivang: yes, I'm building & signing a new upload | 12:13 |
| sivang | crimsun: yay! | 12:13 |
| sivang | crimsun: what was the problem preventing clean build of the binary? | 12:14 |
| crimsun | sivang: gtk-gnutella source included its own progress bar cell renderer which conflicts with GTK+-2.6's | 12:15 |
| sivang | crimsun: ah, figures. | 12:15 |
| crimsun | sivang: I took the opportunity to also grab a fix for a possible NULL pointer deref | 12:15 |
| sivang | crimsun: superb! | 12:15 |
| dholbach | seb128: got the message on gtkmm and gnomeuimm? don't want to bother you... just make sure :-) | 12:20 |
| ogra | fabbione is back !! | 12:21 |
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| ogra | morning everybody | 12:21 |
| trukulo | hi oliver | 12:21 |
| seb128 | dholbach: nop | 12:21 |
| fabbione | ogra: no you are only dreaming | 12:21 |
| dholbach | <dholbach> seb128: gtkmm and gnomeuimm are up, at http://ubuntu.gplan.info/mm/, libglademm has to wait for gtkmm | 12:22 |
| seb128 | dholbach: where ? | 12:22 |
| seb128 | dholbach: k, thanks | 12:22 |
| ogra | heh, dreaming of fabbione | 12:22 |
| trukulo | fabbione, what about your wedding? | 12:22 |
| fabbione | trukulo: what about it? | 12:22 |
| trukulo | fabbione, are you a married man now? | 12:22 |
| fabbione | it was cool and cold :-) | 12:22 |
| trukulo | lol | 12:22 |
| fabbione | getting married in a snow storm wasn't 100% fun | 12:22 |
| Mithrandir | fabbione: where were you? | 12:22 |
| trukulo | fabbione, you should be nude to be 100% fun | 12:23 |
| ogra | but something you can tell your kids about | 12:23 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: copenhagen | 12:23 |
| trukulo | ogra, i see graveman 0.3.8 from sid is in hoary, good work | 12:23 |
| Mithrandir | fabbione: on the honeymoon? :) | 12:24 |
| fabbione | http://www.fabbione.net/wedding/IMG_0854.html | 12:24 |
| ogra | trukulo: i have added a cdrdao dependency.... | 12:24 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: ecuador and galapagos | 12:24 |
| ogra | trukulo: else, thanks for the good upstream work ;) | 12:24 |
| Mithrandir | fabbione: oooh, sounds nice. :) | 12:24 |
| trukulo | ogra, good point, i'll tell otavio | 12:24 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: it was :-) | 12:24 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: galapagos > * | 12:24 |
| Mithrandir | fabbione: got loads of pics? | 12:25 |
| sivang | fabbione ! Welcome Back :) | 12:25 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: 2Gb of digital + 10 x 36 films + 2 x 28(?) underwater pics | 12:25 |
| Riddell | elmo: could you look at the kdebase compile when you have time? | 12:25 |
| trukulo | fabbione, you seem a funny penguin dreesed like that | 12:25 |
| Mithrandir | fabbione: nicey. :) | 12:25 |
| trukulo | it's kinda geek, heh | 12:25 |
| fabbione | trukulo: i looked like one.. yeah :-) | 12:25 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: i am trying to complete the sync of my mirrors before putting them online.. something hanged badly a while ago | 12:26 |
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| trukulo | fabbione, then, now you are back with us again... i have a weird question for you | 12:28 |
| fabbione | i am back | 12:28 |
| fabbione | from this morning | 12:28 |
| fabbione | but for weird questions.. hmmm | 12:28 |
| fabbione | gimme 2 minutes :-) | 12:28 |
| trukulo | can you blow yourself? | 12:28 |
| fabbione | mother nature is calling | 12:28 |
| trukulo | ups, that's not for you | 12:28 |
| trukulo | i'll wait | 12:29 |
| trukulo | :) | 12:29 |
| fabbione | no i can't blow myself :-) | 12:29 |
| trukulo | fabbione, you've tried then... | 12:29 |
| Kamion | Riddell: elmo won't be around most of today | 12:30 |
| Riddell | Kamion: humph | 12:30 |
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| fabbione | trukulo: ehhee | 12:33 |
| fabbione | ok so what's the weird question? | 12:33 |
| trukulo | well, i have an ati igp 320m | 12:33 |
| fabbione | -> daniels | 12:33 |
| trukulo | good answer | 12:33 |
| sivang | fabbione: you have turtule photos? ;-) | 12:34 |
| fabbione | sivang: hey.. yes | 12:34 |
| trukulo | fabbione, but you was X dev | 12:34 |
| fabbione | both land and sea turtles | 12:34 |
| fabbione | trukulo: i am out of X since we met in Mataro... | 12:34 |
| trukulo | it's a question about dri enabled in livecd, and not in hoary installed | 12:34 |
| trukulo | uf, lot of time then, ok, ask daniels | 12:35 |
| fabbione | trukulo: that could depend on dri modules loaded properly or not | 12:35 |
| trukulo | fabbione, i assure you i've read a LOT | 12:35 |
| fabbione | be sure that the kernel modules are loaded properly | 12:35 |
| trukulo | and have proper modules loaded | 12:35 |
| trukulo | drm, ati_igp, agpgart,radeon and dependant modules | 12:35 |
| daniels | trukulo: i don't think dri works on the 320 | 12:36 |
| trukulo | strange is, glxinfo say DRI=yes in livecd, and not in hoary installed | 12:36 |
| daniels | really? that is weird | 12:36 |
| daniels | not installing fglrx or nvidia or anything else strange? | 12:36 |
| fabbione | check the diff between lsmod and xorg.conf in both livecd and installed version | 12:36 |
| trukulo | daniels, in livecd i swear you it said to me : yes | 12:36 |
| trukulo | i'm aware about 3d problem with 320m | 12:36 |
| trukulo | no, livecd as is | 12:36 |
| trukulo | fabbione, same one | 12:37 |
| trukulo | and i use same xorg.conf than in livecd | 12:37 |
| fabbione | kernel version is the same? | 12:37 |
| trukulo | i'm completely lost | 12:37 |
| trukulo | fabbione, no, kernel is different | 12:37 |
| fabbione | well you got your answer :-) | 12:37 |
| trukulo | 2.4.9 in livecd, and 2.4.10-k7 in installed | 12:37 |
| trukulo | yes, but why? modules are the same, isn't it? | 12:37 |
| fabbione | no | 12:37 |
| fabbione | try a more recent livecd | 12:38 |
| trukulo | and igp320m it's not supossed to have 3D | 12:38 |
| fabbione | 2.6.9 is obsoleted | 12:38 |
| trukulo | fabbione, 2.6.9 works | 12:38 |
| trukulo | in fact, it's 2.4.10-4-k7 that doesn't work | 12:38 |
| trukulo | i said, it's very weird | 12:38 |
| trukulo | could be dri enabled different in 2.4.9 than in 2.4.10 ? | 12:39 |
| fabbione | yes | 12:39 |
| fabbione | they are | 12:39 |
| trukulo | then that's it | 12:39 |
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| trukulo | in 2.4.9 glxinfo reports dri enabled, and with 2.4.10 not | 12:39 |
| fabbione | archives hates me | 12:40 |
| trukulo | fabbione, i understand that poor archives | 12:40 |
| trukulo | well, doesn't matter, just wanna know what's that | 12:41 |
| trukulo | see you in 10 mins | 12:41 |
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| HiddenWolf | woohoo, 2.10 packages! :) | 12:44 |
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| daniels | trukthat's really weird ... | 12:45 |
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| abelli | sladen: uml, or vserver? | 12:49 |
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| lunitik | Wasn't there one once upon a time? | 01:03 |
| Kamion | sepArator :-0 | 01:03 |
| Kamion | :-) | 01:03 |
| lunitik | Would make it so much easier to visually organize my panels :( | 01:04 |
| lunitik | Kamion: gah... thats why I don't major in English :P | 01:04 |
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| pitti | jdub: ping | 01:10 |
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| jdub | pong | 01:10 |
| pitti | jdub: still no luck with polypaudio | 01:10 |
| pitti | jdub: do you think it would hurt us much to default to oss sink, at least on ppc? | 01:10 |
| jdub | pitti: mdz and i were talking about reverting to esound for hoary, which i'm happy with | 01:11 |
| jdub | pitti: if you're not getting any love with that change, that's the last nail in the coffin | 01:11 |
| pitti | jdub: it works fine with oss | 01:11 |
| jdub | yeah | 01:11 |
| jdub | i know | 01:11 |
| jdub | but cumulatively, we're better off reverting | 01:12 |
| pitti | jdub: I'm just not sure whether it makes sense for me to spend hours and hours on it | 01:12 |
| jdub | stop now :-) | 01:12 |
| jdub | before we lose you in the spaghetti :) | 01:12 |
| pitti | I still have one trace, I think I give myself another half an hour | 01:12 |
| pitti | okay= | 01:12 |
| jdub | heh | 01:12 |
| pitti | okay? | 01:12 |
| jdub | sure | 01:12 |
| sivang | spaghetti ? somebody said spaghetti? boy, /me is hungry | 01:13 |
| pitti | sivang: go eat some asynchronous polypaudio code :-) | 01:13 |
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| jdub | whoa, language pack a-go-go | 01:13 |
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| Keybuk | heeeere's johnny! | 01:14 |
| sivang | pitti: :))) | 01:15 |
| Burgundavia | jdub: might this fun with polypaudio be the reason that muine is currently borked on my machine? | 01:19 |
| dholbach | bbl | 01:21 |
| jdub | Burgundavia: depends on your configuration and what the b0rkage is | 01:21 |
| Burgundavia | jdub: hmm. Well muine starts but simply doesn't play and rhythmbox throws up an error about alsa device is use, and I assume those are connected. I just did a search of bugzilla, but didn't see anything | 01:23 |
| jdub | run gstreamer-properties, see what gstreamer is configured to use | 01:23 |
| Burgundavia | alsa | 01:24 |
| Burgundavia | hmm, changed to esd and it worked | 01:24 |
| Burgundavia | got that for Oss and Alsa - Failed to construct test pipeline for 'OSS - Open Sound System | 01:25 |
| jdub | esd is the correct configuration if you're using polypaudio | 01:27 |
| jdub | (and it is the default) | 01:27 |
| Burgundavia | ah | 01:27 |
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| Burgundavia | I had some issues with that several months ago, and that is why it was changed | 01:27 |
| Burgundavia | however, I am a little confused. Is there an easy place I can start reading about Alsa/Esd/etc. and where all the pieces fit? | 01:28 |
| jdub | hrm, don't think so | 01:32 |
| Goshawk | is there someone interested to try a alpha package of an "usermode splash" booting process? | 01:32 |
| Burgundavia | jdub: right I shall dig. Thanks for the quick help | 01:33 |
| jdub | i can give you a quick run down | 01:33 |
| jdub | alsa is the kernel interface to the sound hardware | 01:33 |
| jdub | libasound is the alsa user level libraries, used to access the kernel interface | 01:33 |
| jdub | esd is a userspace daemon run as the user that mixes audio, does sample caching, and network audio | 01:34 |
| Treenaks | it's mostly used for the mixing and sample-caching parts though | 01:34 |
| jdub | gstreamer is a multimedia framework that includes sinks (output plugins) for alsa, esd, etc. | 01:34 |
| jdub | polypaudio is a less neanderthal replacement for esd (but early stage) | 01:35 |
| jdub | oss is the old kernel audio interface | 01:35 |
| jdub | anything else you missed? | 01:36 |
| robtaylor_ | jdub: remind me again why we decided alsa dmix as a bad idea? ;) | 01:36 |
| Burgundavia | so apps talk to gst --> esd/polpy --> alsa/oss ? | 01:36 |
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| ogra | or gst --> alsa/oss | 01:36 |
| jdub | robtaylor_: because it's unreliable, doesn't handle network audio, is a pita to configure, etc. | 01:36 |
| jdub | Burgundavia: by default in warty, apps that use gstreamer talk to esd -> oss | 01:37 |
| jdub | Burgundavia: in hoary, we were hoping for that to be polyp -> alsa | 01:37 |
| robtaylor_ | jdub: heh, well i think its back to it on my system rather than suffer esound again =) | 01:37 |
| ogra | Burgundavia: but without a mixing component like esd ppaudio between gst and alsa/oss you are only able to play one sound at a time | 01:38 |
| jdub | unless your audio hardware support multiple writers | 01:38 |
| jdub | (which is not the case on any of my new hardware) | 01:38 |
| ogra | Burgundavia: thats why you get the error in RB if esd/ppaudio is running in the background | 01:39 |
| jdub | (and the primary reason why i didn't give a crap about any of this when i had an sb live) | 01:39 |
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| robtaylor_ | jdub: seems ok on centrino chipset =) | 01:39 |
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| jdub | the 810 audio chip doesn't support multiple writers | 01:40 |
| jdub | that's why you're using dmix | 01:40 |
| Burgundavia | I see why they say audio on linux is a mess | 01:41 |
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| HiddenWolf | Burgundavia: more things than just audio are a mess. One of the disadvantages of not having strict corporate control. | 01:42 |
| robtaylor_ | jdub: ah, misread above text =) | 01:42 |
| jdub | don't assume windows is much better | 01:43 |
| Burgundavia | so the perfect world is gst with ppaudio and alsa? | 01:44 |
| Burgundavia | is that doable in hoary+1? | 01:44 |
| HiddenWolf | jdub: windows is smoother to work on, linux is safer/more reliable | 01:44 |
| dredg | all bets are off when it comes to i8xx, be that sound or video :) | 01:44 |
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| crimsun_ | Burgundavia, ideally we wouldn't need anything like esound, polypaudio, or their ilk | 01:45 |
| jdub | HiddenWolf: i'm referring to your audio comment. | 01:45 |
| crimsun_ | Burgundavia, it'd be nice if alsa-lib's dmix were fully up to snuff, but unfortunately that's not the case | 01:45 |
| HiddenWolf | jdub: never had a windows machine give out on me soundwise | 01:46 |
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| jdub | HiddenWolf: that has nothing to do with available audio interfaces and "mess" | 01:46 |
| ogra | how does macos solve that ? | 01:46 |
| pitti | jdub: I think I'm close to the problem now :-) | 01:47 |
| ogra | pitti: i have added a question about language settings to hwdb-client..... | 01:48 |
| ogra | pitti: it currently reads: Is the system language setting ok ? | 01:48 |
| ogra | pitti: any better suggestions for a question would be very welcome | 01:49 |
| pitti | ogra: <bitch>It should read "Ist die Spracheinstellung korrekt?</bitch> :-) | 01:49 |
| ogra | grrr.... | 01:49 |
| ogra | :) | 01:49 |
| pitti | ogra: maybe s/system/default/ or s/system// | 01:49 |
| ogra | hmm, the default ? | 01:50 |
| pitti | ogra: you can change it in gdm | 01:50 |
| ogra | dont i have to select one on installation ? | 01:51 |
| pitti | ogra: right | 01:51 |
| pitti | ogra: you select a default | 01:51 |
| pitti | ogra: maybe just drop "system" | 01:51 |
| ogra | hmm, ok | 01:51 |
| pitti | any other opinions? | 01:51 |
| ogra | i'll do it this way | 01:51 |
| crimsun_ | I vote for "correct" instead of "ok" | 01:53 |
| ogra | yeah, sounds better :) | 01:53 |
| pitti | YAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO | 01:53 |
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| pitti | jdub: got it | 01:53 |
| jdub | :-) | 01:54 |
| Burgundavia | jdub: for the unwise: http://gnomedesktop.org/node/feed | 01:54 |
| Burgundavia | jdub: try that http://www.linux-mag.com/2004-12/sound_01.html | 01:54 |
| Burgundavia | how is this mess? http://www.linux-mag.com/2004-12/img2/sound_01.gif | 01:54 |
| pitti | jdub: stupid bug: pa queried the block duration in ns from ALSA and used this time (682 ns) as buffer size | 01:55 |
| pitti | jdub: AARRGH | 01:55 |
| jdub | Burgundavia: good one | 01:55 |
| jdub | Burgundavia: it's much simpler on real distributions | 01:55 |
| crimsun_ | pitti, eek! | 01:55 |
| jdub | Burgundavia: you have one line to traverse | 01:55 |
| Burgundavia | jdub: ? | 01:56 |
| jdub | that graph is meaningless on normal systems | 01:56 |
| Burgundavia | ah | 01:57 |
| fabbione | humpf | 01:58 |
| fabbione | jetlag is hitting me :-) | 01:59 |
| Treenaks | pitti: crack! | 02:00 |
| jdub | pitti: that's pretty remarkable | 02:00 |
| jdub | pitti: why does it only manifest on ppc? | 02:00 |
| pitti | jdub: pure coincidence, AFAICS | 02:01 |
| jdub | cunning :) | 02:01 |
| pitti | jdub: I'm testing the patch with several use cases now, and later on my i386 | 02:02 |
| pitti | jdub: it's only an one-line patch | 02:02 |
| jdub | heh | 02:03 |
| jdub | congrats, and thanks :) | 02:03 |
| pitti | you're welcome :-) | 02:03 |
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| ogra | haha, Linux's sound architecture is multi-layered and complex..... | 02:07 |
| ogra | ....sure, if i display it this way..... | 02:07 |
| === Kamion attempts to disentangle base-installer's kernel metapackage handling | ||
| Treenaks | ogra: Linux sound architecture is like an onion! | 02:08 |
| Treenaks | </shrek> | 02:08 |
| ogra | Treenaks: does that look like an onion to you ? http://www.linux-mag.com/2004-12/img2/sound_01.gif | 02:08 |
| ogra | *g* | 02:08 |
| Treenaks | ogra: *fires up gimp* | 02:08 |
| === ogra thinks linux inst complicated...... just its documentation is..... | ||
| ogra | s/inst/isnt | 02:10 |
| tseng | cool @ redesign winners | 02:10 |
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| tseng | i especially like the Download Ubuntu thing here: | 02:10 |
| tseng | http://people.ubuntu.com/~jdub/2005/webcomp/brad-griffith.png | 02:10 |
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| jdub | tseng: yeah | 02:11 |
| Treenaks | tseng: it looks very mozilla.orgish | 02:12 |
| jdub | pitti: hmm, that should have a nice impact in general, really | 02:12 |
| tseng | Treenaks: in a good way | 02:12 |
| pitti | jdub: I'm just _really_ puzzled that this only occurred on ppc | 02:12 |
| pitti | jdub: it's probably sound chip dependent, not arch-dependent | 02:12 |
| lamont | fabbione: word to the wise - before uploading any gnome packages for sparc, make sure they don't reference libhowl, or life gets painful... | 02:13 |
| lamont | daniels: ack | 02:13 |
| seb128 | jdub: a guy on #gnome would like to get this fix to clearlook: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1156793&group_id=129376&atid=714612 | 02:13 |
| pitti | lamont: Hi | 02:13 |
| pitti | lamont: the stripped tarballs are fine now | 02:13 |
| pitti | lamont: can you please move all tarballs but today's to old-translations/ and update the directory *.txt files? | 02:13 |
| daniels | lamont: yo ... l-r-m 2.6.11? :) | 02:14 |
| jdub | seb128: i'm sure upstream will fix that quickly | 02:14 |
| jdub | seb128: i'll remind them | 02:14 |
| seb128 | k | 02:14 |
| === jdub fixes Humanity in the mean time | ||
| lamont | daniels: ?? | 02:16 |
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| fabbione | hey lamont | 02:16 |
| trukulo | hey, one question... on topic : upgrade to kernel 2.6.10-24 | 02:16 |
| trukulo | shouldn't be : 2.6.10-4 | 02:17 |
| trukulo | ? | 02:17 |
| fabbione | -24?..... | 02:17 |
| lamont | morning fabbione - sorry about the mailing list thing... | 02:17 |
| fabbione | lamont: no problem.. | 02:17 |
| fabbione | already placed the filters around | 02:17 |
| fabbione | hmm that's why it was looking weird... | 02:17 |
| lamont | -23 had a bad inotify patch... :-( | 02:17 |
| daniels | lamont: is it planned? | 02:17 |
| Kamion | trukulo: 2.6.10-24 is the package version, 2.6.10-4 is the kernel version with module ABI | 02:17 |
| Kamion | trukulo: try not to confuse the two | 02:17 |
| lamont | daniels: fabbione is doing 2.6.11.... | 02:17 |
| trukulo | Kamion, ok, thanks | 02:18 |
| fabbione | as soon as i get my local mirror synced again | 02:18 |
| fabbione | just to be able to download the sources... | 02:18 |
| Kamion | trukulo: the topic's good the way it is | 02:18 |
| lamont | trukulo: and 2.6.10-4_2.6.10-23 was bad, 2.6.10-4_2.6.10-24 was good... | 02:18 |
| fabbione | but yeah.. i can get .11 out tomorrow or something | 02:18 |
| fabbione | i need to resync with 2.6.10 first | 02:18 |
| lamont | fabbione: arch repository for 2.6.10 debian tree is in rookery:~lamont/Archives/kernel-team@ubuntu.com--2005/kernel-debian--mainline--2.6.10 | 02:19 |
| trukulo | ok, ok , i understand now , thanks for info | 02:19 |
| fabbione | lamont: ok thanks :-) | 02:19 |
| lamont | fabbione: s/arch/baz/ btws | 02:20 |
| fabbione | yeah | 02:21 |
| lamont | fabbione: and fwiw, the sparc buildd died shortly after you left. :-( | 02:21 |
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| lamont | s/died/went non-responsive/ | 02:21 |
| fabbione | lamont: yup.. i read the mail and started it again | 02:21 |
| fabbione | lamont: for some reason the machine just went back to OBP | 02:22 |
| fabbione | no idea why | 02:22 |
| lamont | OBP? | 02:22 |
| fabbione | Open Boot Prom | 02:22 |
| daniels | ah cool | 02:25 |
| lamont | ah, 'k. | 02:26 |
| === lamont must take kids to school | ||
| === fabbione must get some sleep | ||
| === daniels must sleep also. | ||
| === trukulo must be rich | ||
| fabbione | later guys | 02:30 |
| fabbione | i need to sleep a bit to get over the jetlag | 02:30 |
| jordi | fabbione: dude? | 02:31 |
| jordi | damn | 02:31 |
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| daniels | thom: that won't get you very far | 02:33 |
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| zul | heylo | 02:34 |
| tseng | hi zul | 02:34 |
| zul | hi tseng | 02:34 |
| sivang | seb128: do you know where on fd.o there's the manual for the .desktop file spec? | 02:38 |
| amu | pitti: could you please review dbus-qt for a move into main | 02:38 |
| carlos | amu: is KDE moving into main for Hoary? | 02:39 |
| amu | carlos: yep | 02:39 |
| ogra | sivang: look in software for something like xdg | 02:40 |
| sivang | ogra: eh I thought they were in the specs, and googled but nothing :) | 02:40 |
| trukulo | ogra, you there? | 02:41 |
| sivang | ogra: nah, not there | 02:41 |
| trukulo | ogra, why do you added cdrdao as a depend? | 02:41 |
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| trukulo | i'm looking changelog, and cdrdao is included in cvs, not in 0.3.8 , i'm i wrong? | 02:41 |
| jordi | thom: that is going to crush me if you do it again | 02:42 |
| ogra | trukulo: it is used by 0.3.8 | 02:42 |
| trukulo | ogra, http://savannah.nongnu.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs/graveman/graveman/current/ChangeLog?rev=1.42&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup | 02:42 |
| trukulo | read it, it's used (changelog said) in 0.3.8 cvs, not released | 02:42 |
| trukulo | otavio and i are using 0.3.8 released | 02:43 |
| ogra | sivang: http://specs.freedesktop.org/wiki/Standards/desktop-entry-spec | 02:43 |
| trukulo | cvs version will ber 0.4 | 02:43 |
| sivang | ogra: thanks, how did you search ? | 02:43 |
| amu | elmo: please could you sync libassuan-dev from debian into universe | 02:43 |
| jdub | buildds are working overtime tonight! :) | 02:43 |
| ogra | trukulo: so your version has no reference to cdrdao in its settings ? | 02:43 |
| trukulo | ogra, so, as i know, 0.3.8 we use doesn't use cdrdao | 02:43 |
| trukulo | it shouldn't, but i'm not sure as it's made by otavio, not me | 02:44 |
| ogra | mine has | 02:44 |
| trukulo | could be, i'll ask otavio when i see him | 02:44 |
| ogra | trukulo: havent had the time to try it out extensively, but was assuming it would be used if the settings have such an option | 02:45 |
| trukulo | ogra, not sure, anyway, that depend would be ok for next version | 02:45 |
| ogra | yeah for preventive dependencys | 02:46 |
| trukulo | :) yeah | 02:46 |
| seb128 | sivang: http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/ | 02:47 |
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| sivang | seb128: thanks again :-) | 02:49 |
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| ogra | sivang: what are you working on ` | 02:52 |
| ogra | ? | 02:52 |
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| sivang | ogra: trying to see how oowriter is executed, as per #6202 | 02:54 |
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| ogra | sivang: das i thought you were bored enough to go for this one : https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePackageWithoutDesktopFile | 03:03 |
| ogra | s/das/sad | 03:03 |
| ogra | *g* | 03:04 |
| sivang | ogra: hrm, one question, how did you form this list? :-) | 03:05 |
| ogra | i didnt...it suddenly appeared out of nowhere..... | 03:05 |
| sivang | I think that it's either done using a script, or some madman :) | 03:05 |
| ogra | ...but it would be nice to have a conversion script from the debian menu entrys | 03:06 |
| sivang | from menu entirs to desktop files , hmmm | 03:06 |
| sivang | interesting bit | 03:06 |
| HiddenWolf | sivang: you'd better hope it's a script. :) | 03:06 |
| sivang | HiddenWolf: yeah, I nearly fainted to the length | 03:06 |
| sivang | ogra: well, the guy who wrote the script can just as easy write a conversion script I think :) | 03:07 |
| ogra | i think half of this list doesnt need an entry.... | 03:07 |
| ogra | sivang: true.... | 03:07 |
| sivang | ogra: or else we can create a script to read this wiki page, and create desktop files for each pkg there :) | 03:07 |
| ogra | heh | 03:07 |
| HiddenWolf | I see gnome 2.10 entering hoary, but it's not done yet, right? | 03:08 |
| rburton | HiddenWolf: releasing tomorrow morning | 03:08 |
| pitti | daniels: you were too fast with replying to #7138 :-) | 03:08 |
| pitti | daniels: I wanted to include both outputs since they differ | 03:08 |
| rburton | HiddenWolf: so i expect seb128 would have it all done by then | 03:08 |
| jdub | HiddenWolf: hoary gets packages as they're uploaded to gnome ftp | 03:08 |
| jdub | there's only one last thing to optimise out | 03:09 |
| jdub | but he's french | 03:09 |
| jdub | and we like him | 03:09 |
| jdub | so we keep him around :-) | 03:09 |
| rburton | seb128 is needed so we've got a free tomboy logo | 03:10 |
| ogra | jdub: move him to .au :) | 03:10 |
| HiddenWolf | jdub: does gnome usually ship with ~1050 open bugs? | 03:10 |
| === seb128 slaps rburton | ||
| jdub | rburton: good point | 03:10 |
| jdub | HiddenWolf: huh? | 03:10 |
| HiddenWolf | http://bugzilla.gnome.org/reports/gnome-210-report.html | 03:10 |
| rburton | HiddenWolf: are you suggesting that software is generally released without any bugs? | 03:11 |
| === jdub boggles | ||
| HiddenWolf | rburton: just suprized at the amount and impact of them, really | 03:12 |
| jdub | dude, those are only the bugs that are *reported* | 03:12 |
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| rburton | i just did my bit and removed the SJ bug from that list | 03:12 |
| Treenaks | jdub: why not do a 2.10.1 "bugfixes only, please" release then? :) | 03:12 |
| HiddenWolf | jdub: I figured that. | 03:12 |
| zul | only ~1050? wow...windows must have less | 03:12 |
| rburton | Treenaks: gnome does exactly that | 03:12 |
| Treenaks | HiddenWolf: also, lots of those are NEW and UNVERIFIED etc. | 03:12 |
| Treenaks | HiddenWolf: I guess | 03:13 |
| jdub | Treenaks: we've done that for every release i can remember | 03:13 |
| jdub | oh | 03:13 |
| jdub | except 1.4.1 | 03:13 |
| jdub | that's a funny one | 03:13 |
| Treenaks | jdub: that one's ancient, too. | 03:13 |
| jdub | though we ended up officially releasing it at one point, as a tribute | 03:13 |
| HiddenWolf | Will that bug be fixed that prevents the mouse theme from showing? | 03:14 |
| jdub | HiddenWolf: no such bug exists | 03:15 |
| tseng | are you talking about a bug where the cursor theme is missing? | 03:15 |
| jdub | currently, there is no cursor theme on the disk | 03:15 |
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| tseng | HiddenWolf: if you get the ximian-artwork tarball you can throw it in ~/.iconts | 03:15 |
| tseng | icons | 03:15 |
| HiddenWolf | jdub: the ubuntu themed cursors got replaced with the ugly industrial ones, i thought that was a bug. | 03:15 |
| tseng | uhm | 03:16 |
| jdub | HiddenWolf: entirely the wrong way around :) | 03:16 |
| tseng | industrial got replaced with X defaults | 03:16 |
| pitti | lamont: ping | 03:16 |
| jdub | HiddenWolf: the industrial ones were dropped on the floor in a major reshuffle upstream | 03:16 |
| HiddenWolf | jdub: doh, sorry :S | 03:16 |
| jdub | HiddenWolf: it's best to ask questions before making statements like these. | 03:17 |
| tseng | or look around bugzilla :P | 03:18 |
| HiddenWolf | :$ | 03:20 |
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| HiddenWolf | jdub: will the theme be back? | 03:24 |
| jdub | yes | 03:29 |
| seb128 | jdub: grrr, this guy on #gnome-debian ... | 03:31 |
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| jdub | yeah | 03:31 |
| thom | seb128: hostinggeek (aka Gmail, shimen) ? there's a reason he's banned here | 03:34 |
| seb128 | I start to understand why :p | 03:35 |
| ogra | argh, he is in gnome-debian now ? | 03:35 |
| Treenaks | thom: he wants to come to ubuntu down under | 03:35 |
| ogra | AAAHH | 03:35 |
| Treenaks | or so he said this morning | 03:35 |
| sivang | ARGH | 03:35 |
| thom | oh sweet baby jesus | 03:35 |
| ogra | seb128: currently we have hom as pet in ubuntu-motu | 03:35 |
| ogra | him even | 03:35 |
| thom | i've had him on ignore for a long, long time | 03:35 |
| tseng | some pet | 03:35 |
| tseng | he keeps biting me in the ankles | 03:36 |
| sivang | tseng: heheh | 03:36 |
| bob2 | it'll be cool | 03:36 |
| zul | tseng: its a love bite :) | 03:36 |
| ogra | hehe | 03:36 |
| bob2 | someone will snap and beat him up | 03:36 |
| jdub | he thinks you will | 03:36 |
| bob2 | s/someone/everyone/, I guess | 03:36 |
| tseng | jdub: kicked off a thread on gamin-list about /media/* and inotify | 03:37 |
| jdub | tseng: was just about to mention :) | 03:37 |
| jdub | tseng: the problem is that there's a lot of duplicated functionality between dnotify and inotify | 03:37 |
| jdub | tseng: and the problem with *that* is that it's not completely duplicated :) | 03:38 |
| tseng | I figured as much | 03:38 |
| jdub | needs a bit of refactoring | 03:38 |
| tseng | but he just posted with no small confidence that it was solved | 03:38 |
| jdub | oh, DV replied? | 03:38 |
| tseng | I figure if i point it out, he'll test and quickly solve the issue | 03:38 |
| tseng | no, his most recent post | 03:38 |
| tseng | http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gamin-list/2005-March/msg00000.html | 03:38 |
| jdub | he's only testing against dnotify | 03:39 |
| tseng | makes sense | 03:41 |
| tseng | ill bbiab, might even poke at the code if its obvious | 03:41 |
| jdub | tseng: do you have a blog? | 03:42 |
| tseng | planning on it soon | 03:42 |
| jdub | cool | 03:42 |
| tseng | dholbach wants to track motu daily routine | 03:42 |
| tseng | which is a nice idea | 03:43 |
| pitti | amu: which package shall I review again? | 03:44 |
| pitti | amu: (sorry for the lag, lots of stuff to do...) | 03:44 |
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| amu | pitti: no prob, dbus-1-qt, it's needed as a builddepends for kdebase, which blocks atm everything | 03:46 |
| pitti | amu: but it's already in main?? | 03:46 |
| pitti | amu: dbus-qt-1, at least | 03:46 |
| amu | Filename: pool/universe/d/dbus/dbus-qt-1-dev_0.23-1ubuntu6_powerpc.deb | 03:47 |
| amu | http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/k/kdebase/4:3.4.0-0pre1ubuntu1/kdebase_4:3.4.0-0pre1ubuntu1_20050307-1408-i386-failed | 03:48 |
| ogra | amu: tried kubuntu, nice piece, congrats :) | 03:49 |
| sivang | jdub: can I take the Ubuntu logo , just translate the letters of the name and put on the .IL wiki ? who can permit that? | 03:50 |
| sivang | jdub: (into hebrew , ofcourse) | 03:50 |
| jdub | mail info@ubuntu.com | 03:50 |
| sivang | jdub: ok, thanks/. | 03:51 |
| bob2 | so | 03:55 |
| bob2 | something that sucks is having some key get stuck during resume | 03:56 |
| bob2 | so it's impossible to unlock xscreensaver, as the password box gets filled with a thousand chars | 03:56 |
| ogra | ouch | 03:56 |
| bob2 | I blame mjg59 in some way | 03:57 |
| mjg59 | Gah. Not my fault. | 03:58 |
| ogra | hmm, does anyone remember a bug where the keyboard doesnt work right in X, you switch to a console where everything works but is uppercase ? i'm just expiriencing that..... | 03:58 |
| ogra | it gets lowerscase after one login/logout cycle and X is fine again | 03:59 |
| === ogra wonders what to blame for this one | ||
| bob2 | mjg59: have you ever seen it happen? | 03:59 |
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| mjg59 | Yeah. | 04:00 |
| mjg59 | The 8042 driver needs to reset more state on resume | 04:00 |
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| bob2 | ah | 04:00 |
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| mvo | is archive.ubuntu.com a bit slow right now? | 04:04 |
| dholbach | mvo: yes... for me too | 04:04 |
| mvo | wb dholbach ! | 04:05 |
| === ogra heard this question on #ubuntu before today | ||
| dholbach | mvo: merci beaucoup | 04:05 |
| mvo | dholbach: excellent your french :) | 04:06 |
| dholbach | hehe... seb128 would laugh about it ;-) | 04:06 |
| seb128 | ah ah :p | 04:07 |
| === dholbach needs to catch up on it, once the thesis and everything have settled | ||
| seb128 | and we have no op on #gnome-debian ... | 04:08 |
| === tseng gives seb128 a power bar | ||
| Kamion | ogra: if you type your username in all-caps, getty assumes you're on an ancient terminal where lowercase didn't work properly and forces everything to uppercase | 04:09 |
| ogra | Kamion: i dont type caps...but they get displayed.... | 04:09 |
| pitti | Kamion: ah, thanks. I already thought there was a bug with shift lock in the kernel | 04:09 |
| Kamion | well, something evidently threw some capital letters at that tty | 04:09 |
| ogra | Kamion: i remember seeing this one with 2.0 and 2.2 kernels as well | 04:09 |
| ogra | where it occured even via ssh | 04:10 |
| Kamion | the code's been there for eons; I don't remember exactly where it lives | 04:10 |
| ogra | yeah, i thought it was solved long ago.... i'll have a look after preview if i find the ancient bugfix... | 04:11 |
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| ogra | Kamion: oh, and btw, its on all ttys and even the issue text and login are capitalised | 04:14 |
| lamont | ogra: that code has been standard-unix for as long as I can remember... | 04:14 |
| lamont | ogra: it forces _everything_ into uppercase | 04:14 |
| zul | hey lamont | 04:14 |
| lamont | morning zul | 04:14 |
| ogra | ah.... | 04:14 |
| === ogra starts to understand.... | ||
| Treenaks | lamont: but: how do you get out of that mode? | 04:16 |
| lamont | Treenaks: start a new tty | 04:16 |
| ogra | Treenaks: login/logout | 04:16 |
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| lamont | or fail to login 3 times | 04:17 |
| Treenaks | lamont: urgh.. that sounds windowsish | 04:17 |
| ogra | what worries me is that it seems connected to a berakage in X | 04:17 |
| lamont | it's a fall back mode in case you're stuck in the 1970's. | 04:17 |
| ogra | breakage even | 04:17 |
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| lamont | ogra: b0rkage :-) | 04:17 |
| ogra | since i only discovered it through a not working keyboard in X .... | 04:18 |
| ogra | lamont, heh | 04:18 |
| Mithrandir | thom: is jackass broken? | 04:18 |
| thom | Mithrandir: ... | 04:18 |
| Mithrandir | thom: http://archive.ubuntu.com just sits there | 04:18 |
| Kamion | jackass != archive.u.c | 04:18 |
| thom | that's not jackass | 04:18 |
| Mithrandir | oh, sorry | 04:18 |
| Mithrandir | archive.u.c, then :P | 04:19 |
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| lamont | /* Handle names with upper case and no lower case. */ | 04:20 |
| lamont | if ((cp->capslock = caps_lock(logname))) { | 04:20 |
| lamont | for (bp = logname; *bp; bp++) | 04:20 |
| lamont | if (isupper(*bp)) | 04:20 |
| lamont | *bp = tolower(*bp); /* map name to lower case */ | 04:20 |
| lamont | } | 04:20 |
| lamont | you mean that code? | 04:20 |
| Mithrandir | thom: thanks | 04:20 |
| thom | sure | 04:21 |
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| ogra | lamont: ah, ok, that shows why i can log in....but it doesnt show why the uppercase mode was triggered... | 04:22 |
| lamont | ogra: yeah. not sure whether to blame getty or tty driver for that... | 04:22 |
| sivang_livecd | bah, locale settings is pretty weird I had to wait for about 20 locales to be generated, and after choosing hebrew as the language (which was alos nicely detected by the keyboard selector) I had a default desktop with hebrew only input | 04:23 |
| lamont | (that code was from getty, fwiw) | 04:23 |
| ogra | lamont: thanks :) | 04:23 |
| sivang_livecd | eh well, need to open a bug report | 04:23 |
| pitti | thom: do you have an ETA for ffox 1.0.1? and moz 1.7.6? | 04:28 |
| thom | i'm gonna get 1.0.1 finished after lunch, then start on 1.7.6 | 04:29 |
| pitti | oh, cool | 04:30 |
| pitti | thom: so you don't wait for Debian? | 04:30 |
| pitti | thom: Eric said that he will package 1.0.1 soon, too | 04:30 |
| thom | 1.0.1 is in debian | 04:30 |
| pitti | oh, even better | 04:30 |
| thom | i don't really want to use it, but i will do to get the security bugs nailed | 04:30 |
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| Kamion | mdz: the place where you've put the copying of debian-installer/keymap is pretty dodgy, and won't work when we move to debconf-copydb | 04:34 |
| Kamion | mdz: (in casper) | 04:34 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: is initrd as of yesterday broken wrt choose-mirror and countryprefix? | 04:34 |
| Kamion | mdz: it happens to work because the confmodule from before the pivot is still running, but couldn't the copy happen before chroot/pivot? | 04:34 |
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| Kamion | Mithrandir: hm, possibly :( I'll check | 04:35 |
| Mithrandir | it seems to try to download http://${countryprefix}archive.ubuntu.com(null)/ubuntu, which doesn work. :P | 04:35 |
| Kamion | that's supposed to have been SUBSTed | 04:35 |
| Mithrandir | it's what it outputs on tty4 | 04:35 |
| Mithrandir | (or tty3, not sure) | 04:36 |
| Kamion | Mithrandir: I think I fixed that on Saturday; check the choose-mirror version in that initrd | 04:36 |
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| Mithrandir | 1.06ubuntu5 | 04:36 |
| Kamion | 1.06ubuntu6 was the fix | 04:36 |
| Mithrandir | ok | 04:37 |
| Mithrandir | I'll download a new initrd, then | 04:37 |
| pitti | elmo: can I please have dchroot warty access on concordia and davis? | 04:37 |
| Goshawk | is there someone that has 1 minute to try this script? http://81.113.230.186/kalatlug/Projects/usplash/test-script.sh | 04:43 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: same problem | 04:43 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: is there a workaround? | 04:43 |
| Goshawk | just one minute... -(you need hoary + xorg) | 04:43 |
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| pitti | Goshawk: I did, shall I /msg you the output? or mail? | 04:44 |
| Goshawk | for me is the same | 04:44 |
| Goshawk | thanks | 04:44 |
| Goshawk | ok thanks | 04:45 |
| Goshawk | i've found the problem | 04:45 |
| Goshawk | thanks a lot! | 04:45 |
| bluefoxicy | http://rafb.net/paste/results/HXV38h96.html | 04:45 |
| bluefoxicy | Is this known | 04:45 |
| pitti | Goshawk: shall I try again? | 04:45 |
| Goshawk | pitti, thanks to you a usplash bug is solved | 04:45 |
| pitti | Goshawk: I'm honored, and I didn't even do anything :-) | 04:46 |
| Goshawk | ^__^ | 04:46 |
| ogra | Goshawk: interested in output from a amd64 widescreen laptop ? | 04:46 |
| Goshawk | yep | 04:46 |
| fabbione | seb128: you around? | 04:46 |
| seb128 | yep | 04:47 |
| fabbione | seb128: did you fix the build-dep order for libhowl being dropped? | 04:47 |
| seb128 | order ? | 04:47 |
| fabbione | well sparc buildd is bitching a lot about it | 04:47 |
| seb128 | yeah | 04:47 |
| Kamion | Mithrandir: I just noticed the same thing. Please don't ask me for workarounds when I have no idea what the problem is yet. :) | 04:47 |
| seb128 | fabbione: lamont knows about it | 04:48 |
| bluefoxicy | libgnome2-common installation is still hanging in apt | 04:48 |
| fabbione | seb128 | 04:48 |
| fabbione | seb128: he told me something about it | 04:48 |
| fabbione | but i would like to hear from our gtk/gnome guru | 04:48 |
| Goshawk | ogra, thanks also to you | 04:49 |
| Goshawk | ^__^ | 04:49 |
| seb128 | I've uploaded gnome-vfs2, libgnome, libbonoboui, libgnomeui, ... in the right order with space to build between them | 04:49 |
| seb128 | fabbione: kicking again has worked fine on i386/ppc/amd64/ia64, dunno about sparc | 04:49 |
| fabbione | seb128: yes, but sparc was lagging way behind for other reasons | 04:49 |
| fabbione | so what is the correct thing to do? | 04:49 |
| mdz | Kamion: yes, I could move it to before the pivot | 04:50 |
| fabbione | seb128: sparc buildd died 18 days ago :-) | 04:50 |
| pitti | Morning mdz | 04:50 |
| seb128 | fabbione: find the /usr/lib/*.la with a mention to howl | 04:50 |
| Goshawk | ogra, pitti the problem was that the case value was too short for big values more that 1024x768, thanks | 04:50 |
| fabbione | so it knowns nothing about it | 04:50 |
| fabbione | hey mdz :-) | 04:50 |
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| mdz | fabbione: hey! | 04:50 |
| mdz | fabbione: how was your trip? | 04:50 |
| Kamion | bet this'll be fast | 04:51 |
| fabbione | seb128: ok... if i find something with it.. what should i do? | 04:51 |
| fabbione | mdz: cool! | 04:51 |
| fabbione | mdz: it is seriously worth all the money | 04:51 |
| ogra | mdz: hi, thanks for the nightly flowers :-D | 04:51 |
| fabbione | galapagos > * | 04:51 |
| mdz | I have wanted to go there | 04:51 |
| fabbione | mdz: after i will put the pics online, you will go there | 04:51 |
| pitti | mdz: at least we now can see how it looks like, from Fabio's photos :-) | 04:51 |
| seb128 | fabbione: the order for the libs is: gnome-vfs2 libgnome libbonoboui libgnomeui | 04:51 |
| seb128 | fabbione: you should build them in this order with the new version of the previous one to kick howl out of the .la files | 04:52 |
| fabbione | seb128: hold on... | 04:52 |
| seb128 | fabbione: if there is an issue with a package already built we can reupload or you can do a binary NMU ... | 04:52 |
| bluefoxicy | stat64("/usr/share/locale/en/LC_MESSAGES/dpkg.mo", 0xbffff698) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) | 04:52 |
| theine | Hey seb128, thanks for applying the openbox patch | 04:53 |
| pitti | bluefoxicy: that's normal | 04:53 |
| seb128 | theine: np :) | 04:53 |
| pitti | bluefoxicy: you have to install a language pack | 04:53 |
| fabbione | so those are the only 4 packages affected by that problem? | 04:53 |
| bluefoxicy | pitti: i'm stracing dpkg to find out why it's hanging on gnome2-common and gnome2-vfs | 04:53 |
| seb128 | fabbione: no, but after that kicking should be enough | 04:53 |
| fabbione | seb128: argh.... | 04:53 |
| pitti | bluefoxicy: erm, is that the reason for the hang??? | 04:53 |
| bluefoxicy | pitti: apparently the only thing it's doing is repetedly iterating through all locales looking for dpkg.mo; nothing else is happening at all | 04:53 |
| seb128 | fabbione: that's a real mess, thanks to libtool ... | 04:54 |
| bluefoxicy | however I'm guessing on faith that maybe the other processes forked and aren't straced? | 04:54 |
| lamont | seb128: the build-deps not getting updated mean that buildd's running through the whole lot at once hit b0rkage | 04:54 |
| pitti | bluefoxicy: it does these iterations for every string to be translated | 04:54 |
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| seb128 | lamont: that's bad | 04:54 |
| fabbione | seb128: couldn't you build-conflict or something? | 04:54 |
| pitti | bluefoxicy: after preview I will probably upload a new libc which caches result | 04:54 |
| pitti | bluefoxicy: s | 04:54 |
| bluefoxicy | strace dpkg --configure -a 2>&1 | grep -v "locale" | 04:54 |
| seb128 | fabbione, lamont: we could libgnomevfs2-dev conflicts on libhowl-dev ? | 04:55 |
| bluefoxicy | ok it's doing a brk() every few seconds, must be something else. | 04:55 |
| fabbione | seb128: if that's enough, i don't see why not | 04:55 |
| seb128 | fabbione: the current libgnomevfs2-dev .la file has a mention to howl on sparc ? | 04:55 |
| lamont | that'd fix the libgnomevfs2-dev build, but maybe not others? | 04:56 |
| === lamont dunno | ||
| bluefoxicy | pitti: I just can't see acpid or gnome2-common flicking the disk light once every 10-15 seconds (I have mldonkey running, that's probably the disk access), and taking >5 minutes to install, maybe I'm just impatient? | 04:56 |
| fabbione | dpkg -c libgnomevfs2-dev_2.9.91-0ubuntu1_sparc.deb | grep howl | wc -l | 04:57 |
| fabbione | 0 | 04:57 |
| fabbione | seb128: ^^ | 04:57 |
| pitti | bluefoxicy: hmm, no idea | 04:57 |
| === bluefoxicy decides to leave Setting up libgnomevfs2-common (2.10.0-0ubuntu1) for about 15 minutes to confirm that this isn't just him being impatient; after all this is a 64 bit system, 15 minutes counts as several orders of magnitude of overkill ;) | ||
| seb128 | fabbione: no, "grep howl /usr/lib/libgnomevfs-2.la" | 04:57 |
| fabbione | ah hold on | 04:58 |
| bluefoxicy | (every time I run dpkg --configure -a it switches which is first, gnome2-common or libgnomevfs2-common) | 04:58 |
| seb128 | grep howl /usr/lib/*.la | 04:58 |
| seb128 | to have an idea on what you want to rebuild | 04:58 |
| jdub | ogra: ping | 04:58 |
| ogra | jdub: pong | 04:58 |
| fabbione | Binary file libgnomevfs-2.a matches | 04:58 |
| fabbione | libgnomevfs-2.la:dependency_libs= | 04:58 |
| fabbione | seb128: so yes.. it doess | 04:59 |
| tseng | is there an email/post somewhere explaining why all the howl stuff is being removed? | 04:59 |
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| jdub | ogra: did you have a new xss patch? | 04:59 |
| ogra | only the one you already have, i wanted to work on that during preview | 04:59 |
| seb128 | fabbione: 2.9.92-0ubuntu1 ? | 04:59 |
| jdub | ok | 05:00 |
| fabbione | seb128: that's the last one i have.. | 05:00 |
| jdub | thanks | 05:00 |
| Goshawk | fabbione, sei italiano? | 05:00 |
| fabbione | seb128: as i wrote before the buildd died 18 days ago | 05:00 |
| doko | mvo: could you validate the missing 'noauth' in peers/ppp0 | 05:00 |
| ogra | jdub: tell me if you need it earlier | 05:00 |
| fabbione | Goshawk: yes i am italian | 05:00 |
| seb128 | fabbione: you have started the buildd again now, 2.9.92-0ubuntu1 build is ok ? | 05:00 |
| mvo | doko: no, works for me :( | 05:00 |
| fabbione | seb128: it's in the queue | 05:01 |
| seb128 | start by it | 05:01 |
| fabbione | seb128: i can build it manually if you want me | 05:01 |
| fabbione | seb128: there are tons of other packages before it | 05:01 |
| seb128 | that's the first to change | 05:01 |
| seb128 | once you have change it other one will ftbfs if they are not built in the right order | 05:01 |
| jdub | ogra: would be nice to have it for preview, but that's ok | 05:01 |
| seb128 | ups | 05:01 |
| seb128 | once you have changed it, the other ones will ftbfs if they are not built in the right order | 05:02 |
| ogra | jdub: lets see how hwdb-client comes along, probably i can send you a last minute patch.... | 05:02 |
| jdub | ogra: hwdb-client is waaaaay more important :) | 05:02 |
| ogra | sure :) | 05:02 |
| fabbione | seb128: ok thanks | 05:02 |
| jdub | waaaaay like curds and wheeeeeey | 05:02 |
| seb128 | np | 05:03 |
| fabbione | AHHHHHH | 05:03 |
| fabbione | i know why the sparcbuildd died! | 05:03 |
| === fabbione kicks sun's OBP! | ||
| pitti | fabbione: you didn't give him enough food for two weeks? :-) | 05:03 |
| zul | bwahaha | 05:03 |
| fabbione | pitti: ahaha | 05:04 |
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| fabbione | ssh sparctamagochi -l buildd | 05:04 |
| fabbione | ops | 05:04 |
| fabbione | ;) | 05:04 |
| mdz | fabbione: sparc has a LOT of catching up to do | 05:05 |
| fabbione | mdz: i know! | 05:05 |
| fabbione | i am working on it | 05:05 |
| fabbione | it died and i just understood wht | 05:05 |
| fabbione | why | 05:06 |
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| fabbione | i forgot to set in the OBP: do not die if the serial machine connected on the other side does not responde = true | 05:06 |
| pitti | lamont: here? | 05:06 |
| bluefoxicy | it's still setting up libgnomevfs2-common | 05:07 |
| bluefoxicy | so yeah, I think it's broken. | 05:07 |
| bluefoxicy | it set up a few other packages. | 05:07 |
| fabbione | seb128: i am going to build 2.10 directly.. 2.9.92 is already out of my cache/mirror | 05:08 |
| lamont | pitti: yes | 05:08 |
| seb128 | k | 05:08 |
| seb128 | start by gnome-vfs2 | 05:08 |
| seb128 | libgnome | 05:08 |
| bluefoxicy | this is on x86 btw, I'm on an amd64 box but running a 32 bit system for some odd reason (I was using xen) | 05:08 |
| seb128 | libbonoboui | 05:08 |
| seb128 | libgnome | 05:08 |
| seb128 | and be sure to have the new libgnomevfs2-dev with howl in the .la | 05:08 |
| wasabi_ | isn't howl being removed? | 05:08 |
| seb128 | s/with/without/ | 05:09 |
| wasabi_ | k | 05:09 |
| === pitti curses at perl's build system | ||
| pitti | anybody out there who ever built perl? | 05:13 |
| === infinity raises his hand tentatively. | ||
| pitti | infinity: | 05:14 |
| pitti | autosplit_lib_modules(@ARGV)' lib/*.pm | 05:14 |
| pitti | Errno architecture (i386-linux-thread-multi-2.6.8.1) does not match executable architecture (i386-linux-thread-multi-2.6.10-4-k7) at /usr/lib/perl/5.8/Errno.pm line 11. | 05:14 |
| pitti | Compilation failed in require at lib/File/Path.pm line 166. | 05:14 |
| pitti | infinity: any idea? | 05:14 |
| pitti | infinity: this even happens in a clean pbuilder | 05:15 |
| infinity | No left over files from a previous build? | 05:15 |
| infinity | Dirty source package, maybe? | 05:15 |
| infinity | Otherwise, I'm as lost as you. That's a new one. | 05:15 |
| infinity | Time to get your grep on, I guess. | 05:16 |
| pitti | infinity: okay, thanks | 05:17 |
| pitti | infinity: yes, fresh source package | 05:17 |
| infinity | Tahnking people for not being helpful is a novel approach. :) | 05:17 |
| pitti | infinity: first, I directly applied my patch | 05:18 |
| thom | infinity: he's just added you to the list of people to bully into doing security work | 05:18 |
| mdz | pitti: did you do the patch/unpatch dance? | 05:18 |
| pitti | infinity: then I even added it to debian/patches and patches-applied (strange build system9 | 05:18 |
| pitti | mdz: oh, that's new? | 05:18 |
| pitti | mdz: as I said, strange build system... | 05:18 |
| pitti | HAH | 05:18 |
| mdz | pitti: the last time I built perl, you had to do "debian/rules unpatch patch" to get everything into the right state | 05:18 |
| mdz | after adding a patch | 05:19 |
| pitti | mdz: now I tried to build the pristine source package from Debian | 05:19 |
| pitti | mdz: still the same bug | 05:19 |
| === pitti cries | ||
| mdz | ick | 05:19 |
| pitti | mdz: I tried this on warty and hoary, on two computers | 05:19 |
| mdz | the kernel version number should NOT be in that string | 05:19 |
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| mdz | hmm | 05:21 |
| mdz | mizar:[/tmp] perl -MConfig -e 'print "$Config{'archname'}-$Config{'osvers'}\n";' | 05:21 |
| mdz | i386-linux-thread-multi-2.6.8.1 | 05:21 |
| mdz | pitti: where do you get i386-linux-thread-multi-2.6.10-4-k7? | 05:21 |
| mdz | is that from Errno.pm in the build tree? | 05:22 |
| pitti | mdz: it's not even in the source package | 05:23 |
| pitti | just Errno.t | 05:23 |
| === pitti pinged bod in #d-devel | ||
| pitti | ah | 05:24 |
| pitti | ./ext/Errno/Errno_pm.PL | 05:24 |
| pitti | use Config; | 05:25 |
| pitti | use strict; | 05:25 |
| pitti | "\$Config{'archname'}-\$Config{'osvers'}" eq | 05:25 |
| pitti | "$Config{'archname'}-$Config{'osvers'}" or | 05:25 |
| pitti | die "Errno architecture ($Config{'archname'}-$Config{'osvers'}) does not match executable architecture (\$Config{'archname'}-\$Config{'osvers'})"; | 05:25 |
| dholbach | seb128: have glibmm2.6.1 ready on http://ubuntu.gplan.info/mm | 05:25 |
| lamont | mdz: any plans to burn new livecd rootfs images in the next hour or so? | 05:26 |
| pitti | What the hell should this do? | 05:26 |
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| seb128 | dholbach: k, thanks | 05:26 |
| dholbach | seb128: cool | 05:26 |
| === lamont decides that's a 'no' from mdz... :-) | ||
| tseng | jdub: see that post? inotify backend doesnt support poll atm | 05:27 |
| jdub | yeah | 05:27 |
| tseng | jdub: the code in gam_dnotify.c for poll is obvious | 05:28 |
| tseng | i wonder if copying it over helps | 05:28 |
| mdz | lamont: none | 05:28 |
| mdz | pitti: that's very weird | 05:28 |
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| pitti | mdz: hmm, I can just toss it at the hoary buildd and see what happens there, but actually this is not really a satisfying solution... | 05:30 |
| mdz | pitti: was bod able to help you? | 05:30 |
| pitti | mdz: he did not reply, he's probably asleep | 05:30 |
| tseng | hm right.. poll isnt called in functions that have counterparts in gam_inotify | 05:31 |
| pitti | mdz: last message from 6 hours ago | 05:31 |
| pitti | mdz: I think I defer this until tomorrow | 05:31 |
| tseng | jdub: would it be smart to maybe disable inotify backend for gamin? | 05:31 |
| tseng | or leave it since we have it off in the kernel | 05:31 |
| tseng | and we wont be getting beagle this time around | 05:31 |
| infinity | pitti : If it's still bugging you tomorrow and I;m around, delegate it my way. | 05:32 |
| === infinity -> bed. | ||
| mdz | tseng: .since it seems to fall back gracefully, I think we should leave it enabled | 05:32 |
| pitti | infinity: okay, I'll do :-) Sleep well | 05:32 |
| mdz | it's possible that we'll enable inotify after preview, if the testing continues to go well | 05:32 |
| fabbione | hmmmm | 05:32 |
| fabbione | after a dist-upgrade my machine is turtle slow | 05:32 |
| tseng | mdz: well, my point is that that will cause what looks to the user like a regression in gamin | 05:33 |
| mdz | tseng: how so? | 05:33 |
| tseng | mdz: are you familiar with the bug where automounted devices arent shown in drivemount-applet or nautilus on mount? | 05:33 |
| tseng | it was solved by switching /media/* to use polling in gamin | 05:34 |
| tseng | which isnt supported by the inotify backend. | 05:34 |
| jdub | mdz: the "gamin doesn't fully implement inotify" bug is still relevant | 05:34 |
| mdz | so either we do something about that, or just stick with dnotify | 05:35 |
| tseng | right. | 05:35 |
| pitti | *sigh* dnotify sucks... | 05:35 |
| jdub | tseng: daniel is DV on #gnome-hackers (gimpnet) | 05:35 |
| tseng | ok | 05:35 |
| jdub | tseng: dunno where john hangs out, but would be very useful to get in touch with him | 05:35 |
| jdub | tseng: doing anything for hoary will be hacky | 05:36 |
| tseng | yes | 05:36 |
| jdub | but post-hoary, it needs refactoring so less stuff is dumped into the backends | 05:36 |
| dholbach | i'm off... see you later | 05:37 |
| jdub | later dholbach | 05:37 |
| dholbach | bye jdub | 05:37 |
| tseng | yep as I just posted with the current status of the server backends, its beyond my skills to produce a patch | 05:37 |
| tseng | if no one else is interested, its definately post-hoary.. but leaves the question of what to do with inotify | 05:38 |
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| jdub | tseng: current decision is to keep it in, but off by default | 05:39 |
| tseng | which is workable | 05:39 |
| jdub | it means rml will not mate with me | 05:39 |
| jdub | but there's always next year's season | 05:39 |
| tseng | because of this "issue" i'd have to suggest it stays off after preview | 05:39 |
| tseng | its not major or anything, but its a user visible regression | 05:40 |
| jdub | yeah | 05:43 |
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| fabbione | seb128: ok i confirm that gnome-vfs2 2.10 does not have the howl stuff now (sparc) | 05:47 |
| fabbione | seb128: the rest will just build in the right order | 05:47 |
| seb128 | cool | 05:47 |
| fabbione | seb128: or i will kick it back when needed | 05:47 |
| seb128 | if it's not in the right order it'll ftbfs | 05:48 |
| seb128 | need to kick | 05:48 |
| pitti | seb128: you rock | 05:49 |
| pitti | seb128: (and you are killing the buildds :-) ) | 05:50 |
| seb128 | thanks :) | 05:50 |
| seb128 | (he he) | 05:50 |
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| Goshawk | mdz, can i talk with you in private | 05:56 |
| Goshawk | ? | 05:56 |
| mdz | Goshawk: about what? | 05:57 |
| Goshawk | usplash | 05:57 |
| mdz | usplash discussion is on-topic for this channel; I'd prefer to have the conversation here | 05:57 |
| Goshawk | ok | 05:57 |
| Goshawk | how do you say USplash has been officially deferred to the | 05:58 |
| Goshawk | next release (Ubuntu 5.10, due in October). if there is nothing about that? | 05:58 |
| Goshawk | i worked with sladen | 05:58 |
| mdz | I announced this in the release update, for which I provided a URL | 05:58 |
| mdz | and it is also noted on HoaryGoals | 05:58 |
| Goshawk | and there is not much more than a Proof of concept tarball | 05:58 |
| mdz | and sladen and I discussed it at FeatureFReeze | 05:58 |
| Goshawk | yes... but there is nothing.... | 05:59 |
| mdz | I don't understand your point | 05:59 |
| Goshawk | there is not "any" source code of that, only the work that i've done (tht you readed on the forum) | 06:00 |
| mdz | the fact that it hasn't been developed yet is the reason why it won't be part of the Hoary release | 06:00 |
| Goshawk | but... there is a but | 06:00 |
| Goshawk | there is an "alpha" for developers about a "usermode splash" i need the sladen agree to call it "usplash" | 06:01 |
| mdz | I am having difficulty understanding you | 06:01 |
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| mdz | it sounds like you are saying that you have developed an implementation, and would like to call it usplash | 06:02 |
| Goshawk | yep... | 06:02 |
| mdz | were you aware of the Ubuntu project when you chose this name? | 06:02 |
| Goshawk | the thing that is developed works at 100% on my pc | 06:02 |
| Goshawk | it started on December.. in that period i was waiting the ubuntu sources of usplash from sladen, and when he said that nothing was deleped i started devloping this idea | 06:03 |
| Goshawk | but now it works away from the main idea | 06:03 |
| Goshawk | all the stuff is made by a single utility | 06:03 |
| mdz | where can I download it? | 06:04 |
| Goshawk | http://81.113.230.186/kalatlug/phpwiki/index.php/UsplashHowDoesItWork | 06:04 |
| Goshawk | but wait | 06:04 |
| Goshawk | i've solved a bug just now | 06:04 |
| Goshawk | and i'm compilig the alpha2 | 06:04 |
| Goshawk | if you want i can make a video of my boot process | 06:04 |
| Goshawk | in that page is written how it works | 06:05 |
| mdz | there is no source code there | 06:05 |
| Goshawk | and as you could say.. it differs from the main idea | 06:05 |
| Goshawk | there is the svn for sources | 06:05 |
| Goshawk | the server is linked at that page | 06:05 |
| Goshawk | svn co http://81.113.230.186/svn/bootsplash/v2 | 06:05 |
| Goshawk | the svn is already updated | 06:06 |
| Goshawk | mdz, the best news is that | 06:06 |
| mdz | pitti: perl builds fine for me on Hoary (no chroot, no pbuilder) | 06:06 |
| Goshawk | i treat fd0 as a file | 06:06 |
| pitti | mdz: *sigh* | 06:06 |
| pitti | mdz: thanks for trying, though | 06:06 |
| mdz | version 5.8.4-6 | 06:06 |
| Goshawk | not a mmaped memory (as the usplash proof of concept treats) | 06:06 |
| mdz | fd0? you mean fb0? | 06:06 |
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| Goshawk | yep,, excuse me | 06:07 |
| pitti | mdz: I tried -7 from incoming and -6ubuntu1 (with an extracted security patch) | 06:07 |
| Keybuk | heh, aww; I was hoping for boot symphony on 3.5" floppy | 06:07 |
| Goshawk | and.. there is a problem in the URL, it is : svn co http://81.113.230.186/svn/bootsplash/ | 06:07 |
| Goshawk | without the v2 | 06:07 |
| Goshawk | mdz, it will be not ready to work on hoary but we can develop it | 06:09 |
| mdz | Goshawk: yes, this looks very interesting. I am confused about what you were asking me originally, however | 06:10 |
| mdz | are you proposing that we use your work as the basis for the usplash feature in Ubuntu? | 06:10 |
| Goshawk | yes.. mainly that | 06:11 |
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| mdz | ok, that was a very strange way of asking :-) | 06:11 |
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| sabdfl | seb128: you superstar. wonderful to see 2.10 coming in. thank you! | 06:13 |
| mdz | Goshawk: could you send a message to the ubuntu-devel mailing list about this? | 06:13 |
| kent | Goshawk, have you made a new version of it? I have some issues with the one i tried last time. It sort of works, but the graphics is strange.. its like it cant use that resolution or something. Its very hard for me to explain, I can sort of see a scrambled picture of the logo when it boots.. | 06:13 |
| seb128 | sabdfl: thanks :) | 06:13 |
| pitti | sabdfl: good to have 128 Sebs to do uploads :-) | 06:13 |
| Goshawk | mdz, yep | 06:14 |
| koke | seb128: just one comment, look at the intltool-update.in file in the gnome 2.10 tarballs | 06:14 |
| mdz | Goshawk: I won't have much time to look at this due to the Hoary release, but I would like to start a discussion about it for Hoary+1 | 06:14 |
| koke | I've just looked at ftp.gnome.org's tarballs and they are "clean" | 06:14 |
| Goshawk | kent, yep.. a lot of "ubuntu" lines in black an white | 06:14 |
| sabdfl | breezy! | 06:15 |
| seb128 | koke: ? | 06:15 |
| Goshawk | mdz, me too... the problem was about that msg taht you are reading | 06:15 |
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| seb128 | koke: what do you call "clean" ? | 06:15 |
| koke | ok | 06:15 |
| seb128 | ? | 06:15 |
| seb128 | waht are you trying to say ? | 06:15 |
| seb128 | you are not clear | 06:16 |
| koke | I've tested control-center and intltool-update looks for xgettext at /usr/bin | 06:16 |
| mdz | Goshawk: "something is moving in the underground" was not a very clear way to say "I have been working on an alternative implementation of usplash" :-) | 06:16 |
| koke | whith, in example, apt-get source gnome-desktop in hoary | 06:16 |
| Goshawk | mdz, since for "something is moving underground" is not for hoary.. but usplash code | 06:16 |
| koke | I get an intltool-update looking for gettext in /opt/gnome2 | 06:16 |
| koke | nautilus-sendto in /mnt/data/gnome | 06:16 |
| koke | ... | 06:16 |
| mdz | Goshawk: and the last message on that forum says "Unless you install a new kernel, or have to move, or there's a power outage, or you install new hardware, or..." | 06:16 |
| mdz | Goshawk: so you can understand my confusion, I think :-) | 06:17 |
| Goshawk | yep.. i'm confused as you ^__^ | 06:17 |
| Goshawk | thanks for all mdz | 06:17 |
| Mithrandir | mdz: what will be the procedure for uploads after preview is out? | 06:17 |
| seb128 | koke: | 06:17 |
| seb128 | $ grep "/opt" gnome-desktop-2.10.0/intltool-update.in | 06:17 |
| seb128 | $ | 06:17 |
| Goshawk | gonna open a ubuntu-devel topic | 06:18 |
| koke | mm ok | 06:18 |
| trulux | heya | 06:18 |
| koke | koke@ababol ~/Devel/ubuntu/gnome-desktop-2.10.0 $ grep xgettext intltool-update.in | head -1 | 06:18 |
| koke | my $XGETTEXT = $ENV{"XGETTEXT"} || "/gnome/usr/bin/xgettext"; | 06:18 |
| mdz | Goshawk: great, thanks | 06:18 |
| koke | my memory failed :D | 06:19 |
| mdz | Mithrandir: we'll reopen for general bugfixing initially, basically FeatureFreeze process | 06:19 |
| Mithrandir | mdz: ok | 06:19 |
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| seb128 | koke: http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/gnome-desktop/2.10/gnome-desktop-2.10.0.tar.bz2 | 06:21 |
| seb128 | koke: my $XGETTEXT = $ENV{"XGETTEXT"} || "/gnome/usr/bin/xgettext"; | 06:21 |
| seb128 | koke: how is the upstream tarball "clean" ? | 06:21 |
| koke | ok, I haven't seen them all. | 06:22 |
| koke | I've randomly chosen the bad from ubuntu and the good from gnome :( | 06:22 |
| seb128 | you are trying to say than packages have issue ? or do you have issues with upstream tarballs ? | 06:22 |
| koke | nop, it seems the problem is at upstream | 06:23 |
| seb128 | k | 06:23 |
| Kamion | Mithrandir: ok, I think I just suck, I was trying to SUBST into Default:, which debconf-devel(7) explicitly says won't work | 06:25 |
| mdz | elmo: are you around? when do you head home? | 06:26 |
| elmo | mdz: in about 4.5 hours | 06:28 |
| mdz | elmo: can you do some germinate/archive resync before then? | 06:29 |
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| elmo | mdz: updated sync.txt - did I miss approval for any on that list? | 06:48 |
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| mdz | elmo: dbus-qt-1-dev | 06:49 |
| elmo | ok, done too | 06:49 |
| mdz | it is possible that KDE 3.4 will require a few more | 06:50 |
| mdz | I'm trying to get a list from #kubuntu-devel now | 06:50 |
| jordi | mdz: moo | 06:50 |
| mdz | jordi: baaa | 06:50 |
| elmo | Kamion: sdf got demoted - if you care; sdf-doc is still seeded tho... | 06:52 |
| lamont | fabbione: you around? | 06:52 |
| mdz | pitti: did you and daniels resolve the german keymap issue? | 06:54 |
| pitti | mdz: not yet, I just sent him some debug output | 06:54 |
| mdz | it would be nice to be able to fix that for preview | 06:54 |
| elmo | pitti: done | 06:54 |
| pitti | elmo: thanks | 06:54 |
| pitti | mdz: indeed, it's pretty ugly for the live CD | 06:54 |
| Kamion | elmo: not especially :) | 06:55 |
| mdz | elmo: what's pulling in hevea? it's not in Kamion's germinate output | 06:55 |
| mdz | sparc? | 06:55 |
| Kamion | we could unseed sdf-doc | 06:55 |
| elmo | mdz: yapps2 b-d | 06:56 |
| elmo | can't see how that could be sparc | 06:56 |
| lamont | fabbione: has your buildd tried gmime2.1 yet? | 06:56 |
| elmo | hevea | hevea | yapps2 (Build-Depend) | 06:57 |
| elmo | yapps2 | yapps2 | keymapper (Build-Depend) | 06:57 |
| mdz | but the rdepends tree ends there | 06:57 |
| mdz | hmm, incomplete rdepends from germinate then | 06:57 |
| mdz | elmo: hevea can be promoted | 06:58 |
| Kamion | it doesn't follow back through reverse build-deps, I'm not entirely sure why | 06:58 |
| Kamion | it would be useful if it did | 06:58 |
| mdz | we already have the crazy ocaml stuff in main | 06:58 |
| elmo | mdz: I put my 'ALL' in the same dir, FWIW | 06:59 |
| mdz | thanks | 06:59 |
| elmo | and promoted hevea | 06:59 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: oh, that sucks. | 06:59 |
| Kamion | Mithrandir: (I'm fixing it) | 06:59 |
| Kamion | just attempting to test | 07:00 |
| elmo | promoting libkipi source as obvious | 07:00 |
| elmo | IMO libkipi0-dev would be too - i.e. we already have libkipi | 07:00 |
| mdz | pitti: do you have a moment to review t1utils? it seems to be another part of the hpoj build-depends mess | 07:00 |
| mdz | elmo: agreed | 07:00 |
| pitti | mdz: yes, I'll do that | 07:00 |
| elmo | done, updated sync.txt | 07:01 |
| mdz | elmo: python2.4-dictdlib is fine | 07:03 |
| pitti | mdz: looks fine to me (and, in fact, useful :-) ) | 07:03 |
| mdz | elmo: and t1utils (thanks, pitti) | 07:03 |
| pitti | mdz: btw, do you think we can keep polypaudio for Hoary? | 07:04 |
| mdz | pitti: it is working well for me, but jdub seems to feel that we should revert to esound | 07:04 |
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| pitti | mdz: hmm, a pity, I spent over 4 hours to get it fixed :-/ | 07:05 |
| Kamion | didn't jdub say that before it got fixed? | 07:05 |
| pitti | yes | 07:05 |
| pitti | but I don't know his opinion now | 07:05 |
| pitti | it's now working fine both on my i386 and my ppc | 07:06 |
| ogra | i think there was no clear statement after the fix from him | 07:06 |
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| elmo | mdz: both done | 07:09 |
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| mdz | Kamion: he was saying that as recently as yesterday | 07:14 |
| mdz | pitti: can you review sqlite3 for kubuntu? | 07:14 |
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| mdz | elmo: if scribus doesn't depend on sqlite3, it can go in as well | 07:16 |
| mdz | doesn't look like it does | 07:16 |
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| mdz | seb128: wow, lots of good stuff for totem | 07:17 |
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| tseng | has seb set a record yet for most consecutive uploads? | 07:17 |
| seb128 | mdz: yep | 07:18 |
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| lamont | mdz: looking for input on #6232 (installing postfix won't add an alias for root to an existing /etc/aliases) | 07:19 |
| seb128 | mdz: this one is impressive too: http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/gst-plugins/0.8/gst-plugins-0.8.8.news | 07:19 |
| elmo | mdz: done | 07:19 |
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| trukulo | ogra, you there? | 07:20 |
| ogra | yup | 07:20 |
| trukulo | nothing, i was going to tell you about uploading clearworks engine gtk2 to hoary... but it's uploaded :) | 07:21 |
| trukulo | forget it | 07:21 |
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| elmo | pitti: DUDE | 07:24 |
| elmo | why are you rebuilding stuff that's in freaking universe? | 07:24 |
| Mithrandir | lamont: possibly on initial install, not on upgrades. | 07:24 |
| lamont | Mithrandir: right | 07:25 |
| Mithrandir | lamont: the right solution is of course to have an /etc/aliases.d directory which is used to generate /var/lib/aliases.db which is used by different mailers. | 07:26 |
| Mithrandir | and stuff in /etc/aliases.d be conffiles) | 07:26 |
| Mithrandir | s/\)// | 07:26 |
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| lamont | it's a file with a fixed format, and a long history... | 07:27 |
| Mithrandir | lamont: seriously, how would you else do it? | 07:27 |
| mxpxpod | does gnome-volume-control not work for anyone else on ppc? | 07:27 |
| Mithrandir | lamont: how do you handle the case of an user changing from exim4 to postfix and having removed the root alias from /etc/aliases? | 07:27 |
| mxpxpod | wait, nevermind... it's now working | 07:28 |
| lamont | Mithrandir: well, the issue is that root shouldn't go to it's own mailbox, since no sane individual actually runs an MUA as root.... | 07:28 |
| lamont | that and postfix delivers root mail as nobody | 07:28 |
| mvo | ping Mithrandir | 07:28 |
| Mithrandir | mvo: no need to ping me when I'm active in the channel :) | 07:28 |
| mvo | Mithrandir: sorry, it was this stupid xchat completion | 07:29 |
| mvo | Mitario: ping | 07:29 |
| Mithrandir | lamont: imagine /root/.forward or using procmail to do Stuff to root's mail. | 07:29 |
| mvo | Mithrandir: see :) it just _always_ get's the nicks wrong :) | 07:29 |
| Kamion | mdz: it only got fixed this morning though :) | 07:29 |
| Mithrandir | mvo: it's allowed to actually _read_ what you're typing. :) | 07:30 |
| lamont | Mithrandir: right. and postfix will happy toss root's mail to procmail. with an euid=ruid=nobody | 07:30 |
| Mithrandir | that can be fine to do. | 07:31 |
| Mithrandir | lamont: if you modify files in /etc you might very easily be overwriting local changes. That's bad. | 07:32 |
| lamont | ah, so you're saying that if ~root/.forward exists, then it shouldn't create the alias either? | 07:32 |
| Mithrandir | I'm just saying that's a possible use case and there's no real way to do what you want to do without using a directory which is aggregated. | 07:33 |
| Mithrandir | no matter whether it's ugly or not | 07:33 |
| mvo | Mithrandir: heh :) sometimes I type faster than I think (well, actually most of the time ;) | 07:33 |
| trukulo | ogra, new graveman doesn't discover devices | 07:36 |
| ogra | hmm, it does here | 07:36 |
| trukulo | ogra, it doesn't if device is mounted | 07:37 |
| trukulo | if not, works well | 07:37 |
| ogra | oh | 07:37 |
| trukulo | interesting | 07:37 |
| trukulo | problems with hal, it seems | 07:37 |
| ogra | trukulo, do you know if he switched to hal | 07:37 |
| trukulo | i don't think so , because in debian we don't use it | 07:38 |
| ogra | i suggested that to him and he said hw would try.... | 07:38 |
| ogra | trukulo: how does n-c-b work then in debian ? afaik it uses hal the same way | 07:39 |
| trukulo | ogra, if it's installed yes | 07:39 |
| mdz | seb128: wow, that's great too | 07:39 |
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| trukulo | but you can use gnome without hal | 07:39 |
| mdz | the gstreamer and totem guys have been busy | 07:39 |
| ogra | trukulo: i mustadmint that i didnt try the detection with a mountd disc.... | 07:40 |
| trukulo | ogra, i did unconsciently, you know | 07:40 |
| trukulo | and i see the problem | 07:40 |
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| Kamion | Mithrandir: ok, choose-mirror 1.06ubuntu7 really fixes it | 07:42 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: cool, thanks. We worked around it, though. | 07:43 |
| Kamion | Mithrandir: I'm guessing preseeding mirror/http/mirror and mirror/http/directory would have worked around it | 07:44 |
| Mithrandir | possibly, yes | 07:44 |
| trukulo | fabbione, are you there? how can i upgrade from linux-2.6.10-X to last version? | 07:45 |
| trukulo | i mean, 2.6.10-25 | 07:45 |
| fabbione | trukulo: the same way you did up till now :-) | 07:46 |
| mdz | Kamion: are you feeling pretty confident about the base-installer kernel stuff now? | 07:47 |
| pitti | elmo: I'm back, what's wrong? | 07:47 |
| trukulo | fabbione, aptitude dist-upgrade ? | 07:47 |
| elmo | pitti: muine is in your list of "things with which to make mirrors regret having ever heard of Ubuntu" and it's not in main | 07:47 |
| Treenaks | elmo: it's huge, uploaded often and universe? | 07:48 |
| pitti | elmo: you mean in http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/unstripped-hoary-main.txt ? It's not there | 07:48 |
| trukulo | fabbione, forget it, i'll read on google | 07:48 |
| jdub | finally, the gst-plugins and totem releases we've been waiting for! | 07:48 |
| jdub | hooray for upstream! | 07:48 |
| jdub | hooray for seb! | 07:49 |
| jdub | but mostly hooray for seb ;) | 07:49 |
| elmo | pitti: lamont pointed me at http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/hoary-main-gettext.txt | 07:49 |
| ogra | yay+ | 07:49 |
| mdz | elmo: kubuntu is going to need at least one new package in main (not in Ubuntu at all yet) | 07:49 |
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| pitti | elmo: ah, for this one; hmm, no idea how it got there... | 07:50 |
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| mdz | pitti: sqlite3 seems fairly sane; do you agree? | 07:50 |
| pitti | mdz: was at dinner, just returned. I take a look now | 07:51 |
| mdz | pitti: thanks | 07:51 |
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| elmo | pitti: tomboy too | 07:51 |
| pitti | elmo: I will update the list ASAP | 07:51 |
| elmo | pitti: in the mean time, I've installed the build-depends in both i386 and amd64 chroots on concordia | 07:52 |
| pitti | elmo: cool, thanks | 07:52 |
| pitti | elmo: including pkgstriptranslations? | 07:53 |
| elmo | mdz: need as in need before I fly or ? | 07:53 |
| pitti | elmo: I can install this locally if necessary | 07:53 |
| dholbach | seb128: uploaded libglademm2.4 (http://ubuntu.gplan.info/mm) | 07:53 |
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| seb128 | dholbach: k | 07:53 |
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| mxpxpod | fabbione: ping | 07:54 |
| mdz | elmo: if at all possible | 07:54 |
| elmo | pitti: installed | 07:54 |
| fabbione | mxpxpod: pong | 07:54 |
| mxpxpod | fabbione: back from the honeymoon? | 07:54 |
| pitti | elmo: can you please enable it in /etc/pkgstriptranslations.conf? | 07:54 |
| elmo | uh | 07:55 |
| elmo | what's that do? | 07:55 |
| fabbione | mxpxpod: yes :-( | 07:55 |
| pitti | elmo: if you don't want to do this, then I install pkgstriptranslations in my $HOME/Bin | 07:55 |
| mxpxpod | fabbione: how was it? | 07:55 |
| pitti | elmo: it was decided to disable it by default, so that users don't mess up their builds if they accidentially install it | 07:56 |
| pitti | elmo: I think $HOME/bin is actually a good idea, then other folks can still use the dchroots for their purposes | 07:56 |
| fabbione | mxpxpod: great, thanks | 07:56 |
| tseng | wb fabbione | 07:57 |
| mxpxpod | fabbione: how long will it be until we get 2.6.11 into universe (not the -rc's) | 07:57 |
| fabbione | mxpxpod: a few days.. i need to catch up on a lot of things and .11 is not high priority | 07:58 |
| mxpxpod | fabbione: that's cool... just wanted an eta | 07:58 |
| fabbione | but i will try my best :-) | 07:58 |
| mxpxpod | I'd like to try out .11 asap because of the ppc changes | 07:58 |
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| pitti | mdz: sqlite3 is thumbs up (debs and packaging) | 07:58 |
| mxpxpod | fabbione: awesome... btw, congrats on the marriage | 07:58 |
| fabbione | mxpxpod: most of the ppc changes have been backported to .10 afaics | 07:58 |
| mdz | pitti: thanks | 07:58 |
| fabbione | mxpxpod: eheh thanks | 07:58 |
| mxpxpod | fabbione: yeah, I've tried the 2.6.10 changes (and the 2.6.10 ubuntu kernel) and it freezes | 07:59 |
| fabbione | mxpxpod: did you report the problem? | 07:59 |
| mxpxpod | fabbione: nah, didn't have a connection at the time | 07:59 |
| fabbione | well.. now you do :-) | 08:00 |
| fabbione | please report it in details | 08:00 |
| mxpxpod | fabbione: I have to get back to work in a minute | 08:00 |
| mxpxpod | fabbione: I'll do it after work | 08:00 |
| fabbione | ok | 08:00 |
| mxpxpod | fabbione: what do you mean by, "in details" | 08:00 |
| fabbione | with all possible details | 08:00 |
| fabbione | dmesg | 08:00 |
| fabbione | logs | 08:00 |
| mxpxpod | I don't know many details except that it froze on wakeup | 08:01 |
| amu | elmo: now it's urgent, please sync libassuan-dev asap | 08:01 |
| fabbione | is it reproducible? | 08:01 |
| fabbione | or it happened only once... | 08:01 |
| fabbione | and so on... | 08:01 |
| mxpxpod | fabbione: yeah, it did it twice | 08:01 |
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| elmo | amu: source pkg names for sync requests, pls | 08:01 |
| mxpxpod | fabbione: ok, will do | 08:01 |
| Kamion | mdz: can I upload to fix that mdadm fail message? | 08:01 |
| mx|gone | fabbione: time to get back to work :) | 08:02 |
| Kamion | mdz: I've tested my base-installer changes of today and I'm pretty sure they're right | 08:02 |
| mdz | Kamion: yes | 08:02 |
| amu | elmo: libassuan | 08:02 |
| elmo | [Updating] libassuan (0.6.8-1 [ubuntu] < 0.6.9-2 [debian] ) | 08:04 |
| elmo | this is presumably going to main if it's needed for kubuntu ... ? | 08:04 |
| elmo | if so, new upstream version okay, mdz? | 08:04 |
| mdz | it's in universe presently | 08:04 |
| mdz | so yes, fine | 08:05 |
| mdz | elmo: this is one of the packages which will need to move into main when 3.4 is uploaded, as I understand it | 08:05 |
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| Kamion | elmo: please move GNOME to universe, kthxbye | 08:06 |
| elmo | Kamion: done | 08:06 |
| trukulo | Kamion, heh | 08:06 |
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| Kamion | that'll be my contribution to tonight's mirror hit | 08:06 |
| amu | Kamion: hehe | 08:07 |
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| Kamion | tseng: record> I think doko's probably still out in front with one of his zope or python upload extravaganzas | 08:14 |
| tseng | heh, i forgot about those | 08:14 |
| Kamion | the last of those was 26 consecutive | 08:15 |
| Kamion | seb's managed more consecutive uploads than this before, though :) | 08:16 |
| Kamion | 48 From: Matthias Klose <m@klose.in-berlin.de> | 08:17 |
| Kamion | after some auto-merges from Scott and another few entries by doko, seb's next with 18 | 08:18 |
| Kamion | at least in the hoary cycle | 08:19 |
| Keybuk | heh, I win :p | 08:19 |
| thom | Keybuk: you've not *done* any of those uploads, though | 08:22 |
| Mithrandir | doko? | 08:23 |
| Keybuk | right food time | 08:23 |
| Keybuk | l8r | 08:23 |
| doko | Mithrandir: I'm working on automating these ... | 08:25 |
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| Mithrandir | doko: ia32-libs on ia64 needs to provide libgcc1 for ia32-libs-openoffice.org, but the latter has a versioned dependency. Any thoughts? | 08:26 |
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| crimsun_ | elmo, has my email address been added to the white-list for uploads, and has my GPG key been added to the keyring? | 08:28 |
| tseng | are we going to pick up the memory optimization patches after preview? | 08:29 |
| tseng | for gnome that is | 08:29 |
| doko | Mithrandir: hmm, not really ... maybe I'll build a cross compiler for hoary+1, just building the 32 bit libgcc1 ... | 08:29 |
| Mithrandir | doko: I'm hoping to have some multiarch stuff in hoary+1 which should be enough for that. | 08:31 |
| dholbach | elmo: could you please sync gtranslator from sid, if you find the time? | 08:32 |
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| doko | mdz: ok to upload gsfonts to fix #3138 (bold Nimbus Roman font isn't displayed) | 08:37 |
| doko | ? | 08:37 |
| mdz | doko: ooh, yes please | 08:37 |
| sabdfl | doko: lovely! | 08:39 |
| doko | long search, small fix | 08:41 |
| thom | mdz: ok to upload firefox 1.0.1? (security fixes, etc) | 08:41 |
| dholbach | thom: yes! go! go! go! :-) | 08:41 |
| pitti | thom: ++ | 08:41 |
| mdz | thom: hmmm | 08:41 |
| mdz | I'm not sure that's wise for preview | 08:41 |
| pitti | pleeeeease :-) | 08:42 |
| pitti | 1.0.1-1ubuntu2reverted-to-1.0.0 ... :-) | 08:42 |
| === thom smacks pitti :-) | ||
| dholbach | hehe | 08:42 |
| mdz | it's certainly fine for final, I'm just unsure about preview | 08:42 |
| mdz | we have only two days to sort out any issues | 08:43 |
| === T-Bone eagerly awaits the ia32-libs stuff to mark ooffice as "we have it" on ia64, and see if that also fixes the firefox locales issue | ||
| mdz | thom: what's your risk assessment? | 08:43 |
| Mithrandir | doko: do you have any good ideas on how to solve the problem for ia64 for hoary? | 08:43 |
| Mithrandir | I have one idea, which is to have ia32-libs generate an lib32gcc1 package.. but that's _ugly_ | 08:44 |
| mdz | thom: can you mail me a debdiff? | 08:44 |
| thom | mdz: the debdiff is *big* | 08:44 |
| mdz | thom: if your response is "omfg no, it's 50 megs"... | 08:44 |
| mdz | then that's an indication that maybe we should be cautious with it :-) | 08:45 |
| thom | mdz: because a tonne of patches have gone from me cherry picking to upstream | 08:45 |
| thom | oh, real debdiff sorry | 08:45 |
| thom | hang on | 08:45 |
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| pitti | mdz: okay for you to upload a lesstif1-1 security fix? I'm asking because the fix for CAN-2004-0914 is very big | 08:47 |
| pitti | mdz: however, it is well tested from Warty and X.org | 08:47 |
| mdz | pitti: how severe is the vulnerability? | 08:48 |
| pitti | mdz: the usual thing, buffer overflow with malicious xpm files; no server applications using it, though (-> no priv escalation) | 08:49 |
| doko | mithrandir: let me build a cross compiler, and see, how the cross compiled libgcc 1 is looking | 08:49 |
| elmo | lesstif just got demoted | 08:50 |
| Mithrandir | doko: ok | 08:50 |
| elmo | I think | 08:50 |
| pitti | elmo: lesstif1 (thaaaaaaanks!!!), but not lesstif2 | 08:50 |
| mdz | I was just about to say | 08:50 |
| mdz | what is it doing in main? | 08:50 |
| thom | sweet mother of god. debdiff is trying to extract 2 firefox sourcetrees into /tmp | 08:50 |
| mdz | so yes, go ahead | 08:50 |
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| pitti | mdz: the fixes affect lesstif2, too | 08:50 |
| pitti | mdz: I don't understand why we put lesstif1 into main for warty, too; now it's causing me headaches :-/ | 08:51 |
| lamont | mdz: I'll plan on uploading 6232 after the preview, unless you want it before | 08:52 |
| amu | pitti: could i delay kdegraphics (xpdf) a bit? is it urgent? is tomorrow fine for you? | 08:52 |
| elmo | vim?? | 08:53 |
| pitti | amu: depends on whether mdz wants it for the preview | 08:53 |
| haggai | amu: I can look at it | 08:53 |
| elmo | (that's why we have lesstif apparently) | 08:53 |
| elmo | that and xpdf | 08:53 |
| mdz | pitti, amu: what is the question? | 08:54 |
| pitti | elmo: vim does not need lesstif1, neither does xpdf (that uses lesstif2) | 08:54 |
| mdz | elmo: hmm, so when we move to gpdf, we can get rid of it | 08:54 |
| mdz | pitti: he was talking about lesstif2 | 08:54 |
| mdz | it would be nice to demote lesstif2 to universe too :-) | 08:55 |
| pitti | right :-) | 08:55 |
| pitti | still, why vim? | 08:55 |
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| mdz | vim-lesstif | 08:56 |
| mdz | for the ugliest editor possible | 08:56 |
| pitti | ah, build dependency | 08:56 |
| elmo | vim-will-build-frontend-for-food | 08:56 |
| pitti | D'oh | 08:56 |
| thom | mdz: 416 files changed, 5298 insertions(+), 3016 deletions(-) | 08:57 |
| bluefoxicy | uh | 08:58 |
| pitti | mdz: I'm sure that we can drop vim-lesstif for hoary+1 :-) | 08:58 |
| lamont | fabbione: around? | 08:58 |
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| fabbione | lamont: yes | 08:58 |
| ajmitch | dholbach: ghost train? | 08:58 |
| === pitti hands bluefoxicy a neat .vimrc | ||
| lamont | is the sparc wanna-build --list=all output wgetable somewhere? | 08:58 |
| pitti | bluefoxicy: what's wrong with the Ubuntu version? | 08:58 |
| lamont | hrm.. I suppose I could just login and check,..... | 08:58 |
| sivang | pitti: there are patches to make cupsys and g-c-l use dbus and listen for printer hotplug events, what do you think about including them to make new printers automatically appear (_local_ ones) when plugged into the computer? | 08:58 |
| fabbione | lamont: no, but i can make it so in a sec :-) | 08:59 |
| bluefoxicy | pitti: in Gentoo, vim comes with something that makes everything colorful | 08:59 |
| mdz | thom: gzip+mail? | 08:59 |
| pitti | bluefoxicy: Ubuntu has that, too | 08:59 |
| bluefoxicy | like if you edit a .c file, comments are dark blue, if statements and variable types are green, etc. | 08:59 |
| pitti | bluefoxicy: :syntax enable | 08:59 |
| thom | mdz: yup, doing so now | 08:59 |
| dholbach | ajmitch: because of "<mdz> it would be nice to demote lesstif2 to universe too :-)" | 08:59 |
| bluefoxicy | pitti: Oh, it's in there but not on by default | 08:59 |
| fabbione | lamont: do you need it constantly updated? | 08:59 |
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| ajmitch | dholbach: ok, I must be missing some reference or something :) | 09:00 |
| lamont | nah | 09:00 |
| fabbione | ok | 09:00 |
| lamont | actually just want to know if gmime2.1 built | 09:00 |
| bluefoxicy | pitti: thanks, added it to my .exrc | 09:00 |
| fabbione | lamont: bbl.. dinner is ready | 09:00 |
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| pitti | mdz: lesstif successfully built, tested and ready to upload. now or after preview? | 09:01 |
| lamont | bah. mono | 09:01 |
| lamont | now I'm going to have to actually _figure_out_ what changed and such. :-( | 09:02 |
| tseng | whats up lamont | 09:02 |
| mdz | pitti: if you test xpdf first, yes | 09:02 |
| pitti | mdz: already tested :-) | 09:02 |
| mdz | ok | 09:02 |
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| trukulo | one question: warty is iso-code-based and hoary utf8, isn't it? | 09:03 |
| thom | mdz: the docshell changes are the fix for the window injection vuln and that's the biggest change | 09:03 |
| Kamion | that's simplistic. You can use UTF-8 in Warty. | 09:03 |
| Kamion | Warty's default for most languages is non-UTF-8, and Hoary's default is UTF-8. | 09:04 |
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| lamont | tseng: was looking at a bug that involved sparc and gmime2.1 (but not a gmime2.1 bug) | 09:05 |
| lamont | gmime2.1 is currently ftbfs on hoary/sparc because mono-utils is missing. | 09:05 |
| tseng | ah | 09:05 |
| lamont | so I get to go really look at what's going on. | 09:05 |
| mdz | window injection doesn't scare me much | 09:05 |
| lamont | so much for the trivial 'doesn't apply to hoary' check | 09:05 |
| mdz | firefox churn before preview scares me more :-) | 09:05 |
| thom | heh, fair enough | 09:05 |
| thom | i'll hold it and mozilla till thursday then | 09:06 |
| lamont | mdz: you're only saying that because of the firefox/warty cluster. | 09:06 |
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| trukulo | Kamion, yes, i ask 'by default' | 09:07 |
| trukulo | will be any script that automatically change iso codes from warty to hoary when it's released? | 09:08 |
| trukulo | i mean, not having to do by hand 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales' | 09:08 |
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| mdz | lamont: fool me once, shame on you... | 09:10 |
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| lamont | mds: "fool me 27 times....." | 09:11 |
| mdz | md "rigid and boring" z | 09:11 |
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| thom | mdz: *giggle* at zsh advocacy in the bash completion thread | 09:12 |
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| T-Bone | lamont: heh, you betcha :) | 09:12 |
| mdz | thom: do you think it's doable to have auto-torrent-love starting with preview? | 09:12 |
| trukulo | and does tty* can use utf8 ? | 09:12 |
| mdz | thom: how badly does it screw downloaders when the tracker gets restarted? | 09:13 |
| thom | mdz: hardly at all, they just reconnect | 09:13 |
| thom | mdz: i'm gonna take a hammer to it tomorrow and make sure it works | 09:14 |
| mdz | great, thanks | 09:14 |
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| mdz | I expect that we'll be asking a lot of users to download the dailies following preview to test fixes; it'd be good to have torrents for them | 09:15 |
| thom | sure | 09:16 |
| LBM | ipw2200 module is quite outdated | 09:18 |
| LBM | lot's of fixes | 09:18 |
| LBM | ubuntu version is 0.19, latest release is 1.0.1 | 09:18 |
| zul | yes we know | 09:18 |
| LBM | any plans about bumping the version? | 09:18 |
| zul | yes after hoary is released | 09:19 |
| LBM | :/ | 09:19 |
| LBM | well, okay | 09:19 |
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| mdz | LBM: 0.19 was current at the time our freeze began | 09:20 |
| LBM | mdz: when did you freeze? | 09:20 |
| mdz | LBM: early January | 09:20 |
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| mdz | 0.19 released December 20th | 09:20 |
| LBM | mdz: i see, a shame | 09:20 |
| LBM | lot's of resume related bugs fixed, right now | 09:21 |
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| mdz | 0.19 works pretty well for me, though it does occasionally get confused and log errors | 09:21 |
| LBM | right now it's quite sensitive | 09:21 |
| mdz | it's up to the kernel team whether they feel it would be safe to update it before the hoary release | 09:21 |
| mdz | though we definitely won't be changing it for the preview release | 09:22 |
| LBM | would be great | 09:22 |
| T-Bone | i suppose we could have a look, but it will require testing | 09:22 |
| T-Bone | *thorough* testing, that is | 09:22 |
| LBM | i'm ready to help you out | 09:23 |
| T-Bone | that's good news | 09:23 |
| LBM | hand me some debs ;9 | 09:23 |
| T-Bone | heh. As mdz pointed out, you'll have to wait post preview freeze | 09:23 |
| T-Bone | that is, nothing before next week | 09:23 |
| LBM | sounds great | 09:23 |
| LBM | and netapplet, any plans on that one? | 09:24 |
| mdz | netapplet was a target for Hoary, but it just isn't ready | 09:25 |
| mdz | post-Hoary we'll probably go for NetworkManager | 09:25 |
| mdz | meanwhile, netapplet is available in universe | 09:25 |
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| LBM | i noticed that, yes | 09:27 |
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| fabbione | lamont: http://www.fabbione.net/sparc-list | 09:35 |
| thom | lamont: what was the fix? | 09:36 |
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| lamont | -Files: /usr/share/doc/libxslt1-dev/html/*.html | 09:36 |
| lamont | -Files: /usr/share/doc/libxslt1-dev/EXSLT/*.html | 09:36 |
| lamont | -Files: /usr/share/doc/libxslt1-dev/EXSLT/html/*.html | 09:36 |
| lamont | -Files: /usr/share/doc/libxslt1-dev/tutorial*/*.html | 09:36 |
| lamont | + /usr/share/doc/libxslt1-dev/html/*.html | 09:36 |
| lamont | + /usr/share/doc/libxslt1-dev/EXSLT/*.html | 09:36 |
| lamont | + /usr/share/doc/libxslt1-dev/EXSLT/html/*.html | 09:37 |
| lamont | + /usr/share/doc/libxslt1-dev/tutorial*/*.html | 09:37 |
| lamont | which is to say, fix the input data instead of the actual segv-causing-source | 09:37 |
| thom | meh | 09:39 |
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| sivang | hey mvo | 09:43 |
| mvo | hey sivang | 09:43 |
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| dholbach | wb mvo | 09:44 |
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| lamont | thom: exactly | 09:55 |
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| sladen | abrelli: depends what for, Xen, UML, vserver have an overlapping feature set in someways, but shine in certain circumstances | 10:10 |
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| zul | later off to shovel snow whoope.. | 10:12 |
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| seb128 | pitti: around ? | 10:21 |
| pitti | seb128: yes | 10:21 |
| === dholbach hands seb128 an energy drink | ||
| seb128 | could you kick new language-packs ? | 10:21 |
| pitti | seb128: I can, when is your upload rave finished= | 10:22 |
| pitti | s/=/?/ | 10:22 |
| seb128 | should be fine for today, that's why I'm asking | 10:23 |
| pitti | seb128: I mean, the packages must be finished building | 10:23 |
| seb128 | I would like to take screenshot for the 2.10 french announce | 10:23 |
| seb128 | and I need working translations :p | 10:23 |
| pitti | seb128: okay, this will certainly require some domain overrides | 10:23 |
| pitti | seb128: and some packages produce more than one domain, I have to pick there | 10:23 |
| pitti | seb128: are there still unbuilt packages? | 10:23 |
| seb128 | what do you call "domain" ? | 10:23 |
| pitti | seb128: translation domain | 10:24 |
| === T-Bone will have a new efibootmgr to upload post-preview freeze | ||
| seb128 | apt-get wants to downgrade gnome-system-monitor gpdf libglademm-2.4-1 libgtop2-5 libgtop2-dev | 10:24 |
| pitti | seb128: /usr/share/locale/<lang>/LC_MESSAGES/<domain>.mo | 10:24 |
| seb128 | do I guess these ones for today, but that's good enough | 10:24 |
| seb128 | oh, k | 10:24 |
| seb128 | like gtk ? :) | 10:24 |
| pitti | seb128: yes, gtk is the most prominent example | 10:24 |
| seb128 | so you just drop one of the domains ? | 10:25 |
| pitti | ye | 10:25 |
| pitti | s | 10:25 |
| seb128 | urg | 10:25 |
| pitti | seb128: sorry :-( | 10:25 |
| seb128 | bah, probably not a big deal, but still ugly :) | 10:25 |
| pitti | seb128: but I'm barely awake enough to kick new langpacks, I can't rewrite the scripts today any more | 10:25 |
| seb128 | apps have one domain so that's mostly fine | 10:25 |
| seb128 | pitti: don't bother, update them tomorrow, take some sleep now if you want | 10:26 |
| seb128 | I can take the screenshots tomorrow | 10:26 |
| pitti | seb128: I start now, but will probably finish tomorrow | 10:27 |
| seb128 | k, thanks | 10:27 |
| ogra | seb128: lots of nice traffic on hoary changes today, thanks.... :) | 10:29 |
| seb128 | thank you :) | 10:29 |
| elmo | iz gnome build bot | 10:30 |
| ogra | yay | 10:30 |
| sivang | seb128: screenshots? | 10:30 |
| sivang | seb128: ah, just read the backlog :) | 10:30 |
| seb128 | sivang: of what ? | 10:30 |
| seb128 | k | 10:30 |
| pitti | seb128: people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/translations/20050307 -> lots of stuff :-) | 10:30 |
| ogra | sivang: nah, its rather a daemon | 10:30 |
| sivang | ogra: what? | 10:30 |
| seb128 | pitti: yeah, pretty nice packaging day :) | 10:31 |
| ogra | sivang, gnome build bot :) | 10:31 |
| sivang | ogra: ah hehe | 10:31 |
| ajmitch | seb128: you make our internet connections hurt today :) | 10:31 |
| ogra | sivang, you know, it runs in the background and suddenly throws a hell of a lot of packages at you | 10:32 |
| === lamont bbl | ||
| seb128 | ajmitch: ah ah | 10:32 |
| ogra | sivang, and its really mature (v128 already) | 10:32 |
| sivang | seb128: btw, finished 2.10 ? | 10:33 |
| seb128 | nop | 10:33 |
| sivang | seb128: ah ok, but was a bug bunch today :) | 10:33 |
| sivang | s/bug/big/ | 10:33 |
| seb128 | yeah | 10:34 |
| seb128 | tomorrow probably all the ximian stuff | 10:34 |
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| Amaranth | ximian stuff? | 10:35 |
| sivang | seb128: all I can say, thank you for turning apt into my cvs frontend :) | 10:35 |
| seb128 | ;) | 10:36 |
| jordi | tomorrow daf will take us to belfast | 10:43 |
| jordi | OH YEAH | 10:43 |
| jordi | Picadilly line, all the way to the Catholic area. | 10:43 |
| haggai | lamont: mdz says I can ask you to add a dep-wait for me. Amarok needs to dep-wait on kdebase 4:3.4.0-0pre1ubuntu2 | 10:44 |
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| pitti | mdz: the perl failure is new to 5.8.4-7, bod experienced it, too | 10:45 |
| Riddell | jordi: what are you doing in belfast? | 10:45 |
| jordi | Riddell: I'm in London with the Rosetta dudes. But we'll take the tube to Belfast tomorrow. | 10:45 |
| Riddell | jordi: tube to belfast eh? that must be a new line on the underground | 10:46 |
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| jordi | Riddell: yeah dude! it's so great | 10:46 |
| jordi | the other end takes you to Manchester, but I have no more time for Manchester (or liverpool) | 10:47 |
| Riddell | jordi: but what's the crack in Belfast? Going to add Ulster Scots? | 10:47 |
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| jordi | Riddell: there's lots of police there | 10:48 |
| Riddell | jordi: well just don't take a black taxi, they're dodgey as anything | 10:48 |
| Amaranth | wow | 10:49 |
| Amaranth | i read about the new release of gstreamer plugins _after_ i already had them | 10:49 |
| mdke | mplayer is in universe/multiverse now right? it is better to use the ubuntu version than the marillat ones? | 10:54 |
| tseng | ubuntu is synced from marillat iirc | 10:54 |
| trukulo | mdke, depend if you want things like w32codecs or dvdcss | 10:55 |
| mdke | just mplayer pls | 10:55 |
| trukulo | tseng, with support for w32codecs too ? | 10:55 |
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| mdke | i'm trying to make some sense of the restricted formats wiki | 10:55 |
| tseng | well, mplayer supports w32codecs as soon as you add them | 10:55 |
| tseng | they just arent in ubuntu | 10:55 |
| trukulo | ah, ok | 10:55 |
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| tseng | xine can use them also | 10:56 |
| mdke | tseng, so mplayer-*-ubuntu* will work with w32codecs? | 10:56 |
| trukulo | so you can add it from marillat repository | 10:56 |
| mdke | its not necessary to have mplayer-*-woody from marillat? | 10:56 |
| HrdwrBoB | mdke: yes, the w32codecs just plonk windows files in s directory which mplayer reads | 10:56 |
| HrdwrBoB | there's no actual libraries or anything | 10:56 |
| mdke | HrdwrBoB, ok thanks. | 10:57 |
| mdke | one more thing | 10:57 |
| mdke | is it better to use the ubuntu mplayer build or the marillat/woody one? | 10:57 |
| HrdwrBoB | not sure tbh | 10:57 |
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| HrdwrBoB | if you're using the marillat repository anyway | 10:57 |
| lamont | haggai: note that pre1ubuntu1 was ftbfs... | 10:58 |
| HrdwrBoB | put them both in | 10:58 |
| HrdwrBoB | and just get whatever comes in first :) | 10:58 |
| haggai | lamont: I just uploaded 2 | 10:58 |
| lamont | and amarok is currently building a place or 2 - I'll have to d-w it after it finishes failing... | 10:58 |
| lamont | but will do so | 10:58 |
| HrdwrBoB | (bear in mind that the defaults for marillat are somewhat braindead and default to using 'x11' rather than xv or sdl | 10:58 |
| haggai | lamont: thanks | 10:58 |
| mdke | HrdwrBoB, hmm | 10:58 |
| lamont | right now, I need to be not here... back in about 90 min or so | 10:58 |
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| mdke | anyone else have an opinion on the mplayer-marillat / mplayer-ubuntu build difference? | 11:00 |
| tseng | we've gave you several I believe | 11:01 |
| tseng | *given | 11:01 |
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| mdke | erm | 11:02 |
| tseng | btw, this isnt a support channel. this question would be better asked on #ubuntu in the future please | 11:03 |
| mdke | i'm not asking for support | 11:03 |
| mdke | but i hear and obey | 11:03 |
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| psy_ | hi | 11:04 |
| pitti | seb128: d'oh, many packages don't have a pot file | 11:05 |
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| seb128 | pitti: do you need it ? | 11:08 |
| pitti | seb128: I use it as a heuristic to find out the translation domain | 11:08 |
| pitti | seb128: now I have to alter my scripts | 11:08 |
| seb128 | bah, do that tomorrow | 11:09 |
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| seb128 | I don't want to bother you | 11:09 |
| pitti | seb128: I have to do that anyway | 11:09 |
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| dholbach | i'm off to bed | 11:16 |
| dholbach | good night everyone | 11:16 |
| pitti | night dholbach | 11:17 |
| dholbach | bye pitti | 11:17 |
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| pitti | lamont: is it possible that some buildds still have the old pkgstriptranslations? I still have some broken tarballs without mo files | 11:26 |
| pitti | mvo: night | 11:26 |
| mvo | pitti: good night | 11:26 |
| jbailey | T-Bone: ping? | 11:28 |
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| lamont | pitti: adare had 8 | 11:33 |
| lamont | fixed | 11:33 |
| pitti | lamont: ah, that explains it, thanks | 11:33 |
| lamont | lesstif1-1 doesn't like you, but I assume you know that (ubuntu1.2, that is) | 11:34 |
| seb128 | lamont: any build issue with 2.10 packages ? | 11:34 |
| lamont | seb128: the only logfiles I currently have in =buildd/main are from a package of pitti's/ | 11:35 |
| T-Bone | jbailey: pong | 11:35 |
| T-Bone | jbailey: sorry, was watching some Anime again :) | 11:35 |
| jbailey | T-Bone: Lol, what? You're not just sitting around waiting for me to talk to you? For shame! ;) | 11:36 |
| T-Bone | jbailey: damn you ;) | 11:36 |
| seb128 | lamont: nice :) | 11:36 |
| T-Bone | jbailey: otoh I'm improving my anime knowledge database for you :) | 11:36 |
| lamont | so popcon.ubuntu.com is the real location, yes? | 11:36 |
| enrico | Hello. Is #ubuntu-meeting free next thursday from 17.00 to 18.00 UTC? | 11:37 |
| lamont | thom: you around? | 11:37 |
| pitti | seb128: still here? | 11:38 |
| seb128 | pitti: yep probably 2 hours before sleeping | 11:40 |
| pitti | seb128: do you still have a gnome-themes build tree? can you please check that the translation domain is indeed "gnome-themes"? | 11:41 |
| pitti | seb128: that's one of the packages with a broken translation tarball | 11:41 |
| seb128 | pitti: gnome-themes.mo | 11:42 |
| pitti | seb128: thanks | 11:43 |
| seb128 | np | 11:43 |
| seb128 | hum | 11:43 |
| seb128 | do we have a build chain change ? | 11:44 |
| ogra | enrico: MOTU uses it monthly on thursdays at this time but the next MOTU meeting is on march 31, so i would assume yes.... | 11:44 |
| seb128 | wnck has jus dropped a list of internal symboles with no reason | 11:44 |
| enrico | ogra: ok. Then the Docteam 0WNZ it | 11:44 |
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| seb128 | no code change with the previous upload | 11:44 |
| enrico | if it's busy, then we take the room in the front | 11:44 |
| ogra | heh | 11:44 |
| seb128 | lamont: ? | 11:45 |
| ogra | enrico: i just thought we could have a testcase for the new hula-server package thats about to enter universe :) | 11:45 |
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| enrico | hula-server? | 11:46 |
| ogra | yup, herzi packaged it | 11:46 |
| enrico | ogra: does it have something to do with those large rings one spins around their body? | 11:46 |
| thom | lamont: sortakinda | 11:47 |
| lamont | seb128: buildd auto upgrades every night | 11:47 |
| ogra | enrico: lol, probably.... i didnt choose the name... http://www.hula-project.org/Hula_Server | 11:47 |
| lamont | but it shouldn't drop things unless someone turned on --as-needed or something silly like that... | 11:47 |
| enrico | ogra: I like the description! | 11:48 |
| lamont | thom: popcon.ubuntu.com, with it's 5 submissions, is the real location? | 11:48 |
| thom | real location, need to fix the server | 11:48 |
| thom | prolly tomorrow | 11:48 |
| ogra | enrico: yep and you can test it soon :) | 11:49 |
| pitti | seb128: same for libgnome? | 11:49 |
| enrico | ogra: I'm curious. However it seems a bit too featureful to be easy to use: I hope I'm wrong, though | 11:50 |
| seb128 | pitti: libgnome-2.0.mo | 11:50 |
| lamont | thom: other question - is MYHOST_ID still used? | 11:50 |
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| thom | uh, yeah | 11:51 |
| === lamont got pinged by the debian popcon folks, wanted to have some sort of sanity in his reply... | ||
| seb128 | pitti: libgnome-2.0.mo | 11:51 |
| seb128 | ups | 11:51 |
| pitti | seb128: oh, thanks. that would have been wrong :-) | 11:51 |
| thom | lamont: i have mail from them too, have been ignoring it for lack of time | 11:51 |
| lamont | thom: /etc/popularity-contest.conf isn't even used in popcon-upload.py.... | 11:51 |
| lamont | ah, mine just showed up w/in the last hour | 11:52 |
| ogra | enrico: i didnt try it myself, i'm just happy to have a packge in from a marketing perspective ;) its very fameous | 11:52 |
| enrico | ogra: cool! | 11:52 |
| thom | lamont: no, the hostid is used by popcon itself | 11:52 |
| lamont | thom: so which one of us wants to (a) fix all the debian references in ubuntu's popcon, and (2) answer their mail? | 11:52 |
| lamont | thom: oh. ok | 11:52 |
| pitti | seb128: okay, no problems any more with today's stripped tarballs | 11:53 |
| seb128 | cool | 11:53 |
| lamont | and the destination host for popcon-upload.py is kinda hardcoded right now too, I note. | 11:53 |
| thierry | it would be great if there was something in the developper wiki to explain how to make patch... | 11:53 |
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| pitti | seb128: if everything is built, then I can trigger an update | 11:54 |
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| thom | lamont: bounce me your mail or file a bug and i'll do both | 11:54 |
| seb128 | pitti: go go go :) | 11:54 |
| lamont | thom: coolness | 11:54 |
| === pitti goes | ||
| seb128 | Removed: _wnck_activate | 11:54 |
| seb128 | Removed: _wnck_activate_workspace | 11:54 |
| seb128 | Removed: _wnck_application_add_window | 11:54 |
| seb128 | Removed: _wnck_application_create | 11:54 |
| seb128 | Removed: _wnck_application_destroy | 11:54 |
| seb128 | etc | 11:54 |
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| lamont | bounced | 11:54 |
| === seb128 doesn't get why these symboles are dropped of the nm -D | ||
| seb128 | same package | 11:54 |
| thom | yes, hardcoded since i are teh lazy | 11:54 |
| seb128 | built one week ago and now | 11:54 |
| thom | anyway, bbl | 11:55 |
| lamont | thom: np | 11:55 |
| seb128 | anybody has an idea on what could change that ? | 11:55 |
| seb128 | that's a diff of the nm -D listing on the lib | 11:55 |
| lamont | thom: I'll go ahead and reply quickly to them to tell them that I've filed a bug for us to fix our debian references.. | 11:55 |
| thom | k | 11:55 |
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| lamont | thom: #7288 has the email body in it, just for giggles. | 11:58 |
| thom | lamont: k, cc me on your reply? | 11:59 |
| lamont | certainly | 11:59 |
| lamont | thom.may@ubuntu.com, yes? | 11:59 |
| thom | just thom | 11:59 |
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