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I'm not there for long === Burgundavia [~Burgundav@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bytee [~byte@freedesktop.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === toresbe [tsb@developer.skolelinux.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:26] http://live.gnome.org/ProjectUtopia_2fPowerManagement_2fScreenshots [12:26] yay team [12:27] the second shot down is a little "heavy" === ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-169-124.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:28] yeah [12:28] davidz :) === tritium [~rimbert@12-202-90-180.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === justdave [~dave@66.227.241.236.gha.mi.chartermi.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:31] T-None: why the nick-change? [12:31] jdub: :) === thierry [~t@modemcable221.10-202-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === crimsun [~crimsun@crimsun.silver.supporter.pdpc] has joined #ubuntu-devel === elmo [~james@83-216-141-215.jamest298.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:33] I'd like to help, do you have any easy to fix bugs for me? === calc [~ccheney@ip70-185-4-246.ma.dl.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === amu [~amu@dump.mediaways.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:35] thierry: you silly... if anyone knows on fore-hand a bug is easy to fix... wouldn't it been done already? [12:35] :) yeah but some too busy people sometimes get to harder task to I tough maybe someone could point me some easy ones... === lupusBE [~lupus@dD577294F.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === moyogo [~moyogo@Toronto-HSE-ppp3717779.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jlj [~agp@host-81-191-64-79.bluecom.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel === psy__ just noticed the gnome weather-applet in hoary knows the difference between day and night === mxpxpod [~bryan@cetn-01-0409.dsl.iowatelecom.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:45] mdz, jdub: is that ok to update gksu to the new version ? The new version is basically the merge of the differents patches with some changes that fix the sound issue [12:45] it's in debian for a week [12:46] if you've checked it and are happy with it, sure :) [12:46] yep, I have [12:47] k, thanks ;) === psy__ celebrates his use unicode... next stop 'gettext' [12:52] seb128, I want fix Ubuntu bug 3176 but I don't know where to add the code, any Idea? [12:52] I think you have already asked a bunch of time here and on the gnome IRC today, nop, sorry [12:53] k... It's really easy to fix but I just don't know where === mxpxpod [~bryan@mxpxpod.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:53] look on a default bookmark and grep for it in the mozilla-firefox sources [12:53] (just an idea) [12:54] seb128, already tried but I didn't work... can you give me example of the use of grep for like bob bookmark [12:55] seb128: just testing gnome#169347 ;) [12:55] afternoon all [12:55] thierry: grep -irl bookmark * [12:56] man grep is pretty handy :) [12:56] jdub, I know but it's hard to find exactly what you want in it [12:56] jdub: nice, quick patch on this one :) [12:57] thierry: grep "www\.oneurl" [12:57] thierry: the URL is probably not in a lot of places [12:58] seb128, great idea! thanks [12:59] np === GheRivero [~ghe@81.172.92.166] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jlj [~agp@host-81-191-64-79.bluecom.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:03] seb128, I did grep "http://www.mozilla.org/support/firefox/" but it stands there like if was waiting something... I know search can be long but it's been about 5 minutes and still nothing [01:04] hum [01:04] k, I'm downloading the sources [01:04] seb128, that's what happen about 4 time on 5 when I grep something [01:04] firefox sources not small [01:04] k [01:04] are not small even [01:05] it's going to take some minutes to download [01:06] k [01:07] nn [01:08] jdub: working on #7239 ? [01:09] seb128: looking at it ;) [01:09] cool, thanks :) === dholbach [~daniel@td9091add.pool.terralink.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:17] seb128: about 10 minutes and still nothing... [01:17] just waiting... [01:17] you ? [01:17] hum [01:17] if you don't give a second argument to grep you can wait forever :p [01:18] seb128, and what is supposed to be the second argument? [01:18] man grep [01:18] where grep should search [01:19] ho ok! === marcin_ant [~marcin@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:21] thierry: I think than you are looking for profile/defaults/bookmarks.html in the sources [01:22] seb128: sort of but in the top of this file there's this : [01:22] [01:22] seb128, so I don't think this it... [01:23] that's probably true once installed [01:23] but I'm not sure in the source package [01:23] you can try to build a package with it changed [01:24] jdub: ping [01:24] zul: pong [01:25] jdub: did tseng talk to you? [01:25] seb128, ok I'll try [01:25] seb128: gksu is OK by me [01:25] mdz: k, thanks [01:27] jdub: inotify 0.20 homer kernel: inotify enabled! [01:27] Mar 6 08:37:27 homer kernel: inotify device minor=63 [01:29] everything works but gamin polling /media still [01:29] i think ill have to post to the mailing list about that [01:29] rockin'! [01:30] thank you...thank you very much === drbyte [~byte@c210-49-121-44.eburwd3.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:31] anyone here have any luck with eclipse with gcj4 ? [01:34] seb128, Ok I've made the changes, now how do I build this firefox from source without broking my current firefox installation? [01:36] jdub: so it looks like we may have been bailed out as far as inotify for hoary [01:36] jdub: but what about polypaudio? === OddAbe19 [~OddAbe19@pcp02542642pcs.lncstr01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:37] mdz: no traction from upstream, i think we should bail out [01:37] mdz: no huge loss, esound still works [01:37] and i've fixed an annoying bug in esound === jdub wonders if ds has fixed the bitrate detection bug [01:38] after breaking it first :p [01:38] *g* :) [01:38] it's no fun otherwise :) [01:38] seb128: dude, what did you have for breakfast this morning? === mroth [~mroth@mroth.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:39] FREEDOM JUICE [01:39] :-) [01:39] jdub: what are the blockers, apart from it apparently being total shit on ppc? [01:39] jdub: that's sunday, just some good sleep :p [01:40] mdz: esound protocol sample caching issues [01:40] mdz: (login/out sounds, unreliable sound effects) [01:41] mdz: /tmp/.esd not killed when daemon exits [01:41] I haven't seen any problems with sound effects, and the last time we discussed the login/out problem it sounded like it was fixable [01:41] it's fixable unreliably atm [01:41] you're probably not noticing that sound effects only happen intermittently :) [01:42] general cpu usage issues, but probably fixable by changing frame periods, etc. [01:43] also verbose logging (seb128's favourite) [01:43] robtaylor has a lag between image and sound in totem too [01:43] yeah running esound with movies can result in enourmous lag [01:43] gets to be several seconds by the end of a 1.5hr movie [01:43] seb128: that's fixable, but i wouldn't regard it as a regression (esound is worse) ;-) [01:44] actually ive noticed some lag with muine [01:44] yeah :) [01:44] it does seem to be notoriously unreliable across many ubuntu hoary installs; some people have to wrangle to get sounds to work [01:44] others have it work by default [01:44] there's also something really weird going on between upgrades and sessions [01:44] crimsun: yeah [01:44] i do not get that one at all [01:45] neither do I, but it's a significant problem for people dist-upgrading from warty [01:45] significant in that we can't determine why it works sometimes and doesn't other timgs ;) [01:45] true === Burgundavia [~Burgundav@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:56] daniels: thanks for the update to the doc team [01:58] mdz: no worries. i'll be unreachable for most of today, but public transport is a double-edged sword: it takes a bit longer, but I can work on it. so I'll be hacking on the Debconfiscation, 'cause I think I have a pretty good idea of how to fix it for upgrades. [01:58] mdz: i just sent an update on inotify to the kernel mailing list [01:59] daniels: I think we need to release preview with what we have now; there isn't time to test debconfiscation changes [01:59] zul: kernel-team@? [01:59] mdz: *nod*, those were my thoughts also [01:59] mdz: yep [01:59] mdz: allows me a bit more time for testing all the possible scenarios also === mroth [~mroth@mroth.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:00] daniels: and to triage the oodles of bug reports we'll get from preview [02:00] seb128: i'm tempted to link libesd.so.0 to libesd.so.1 -> your call? [02:00] thom: around? [02:00] mdz: yeah [02:00] jdub: urg === seb128 apt-cache rdepends [02:01] haggai: I am very excited that oo.o2 can open files with spaces in the pathname :-) [02:01] jdub: why libesd.so.1 ? === OddAbe19 [~OddAbe19@pcp02542642pcs.lncstr01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:01] seb128: stupid proprietary software (flash) [02:02] mdz: ok, i'll likely be gone for the next ... realistically about 7h [02:02] mdz: with any luck, this should be the last of the paperwork [02:02] daniels: can you send me an approximate calendar for you for this week? [02:02] daniels: do you have an estimated date for broadband yet? [02:02] jdub: that's really ugly ... but there is a new esound with a soname change around ? [02:02] mdz: mind if I do that when I get back? just about to run out the door to catch the last bus for the next hour now [02:03] mdz: when I move in + about a week or two; i'll have a better idea after today. even while I'm on dialup, I'll be walking distance from 100MBit though, so I can burst as much as I need [02:03] daniels: ok, please [02:03] mdz: i've got my phone with me if needed === daniels -> city === azeem [~mbanck@socks-out.lrz-muenchen.de] has left #ubuntu-devel ["bye"] [02:03] seb128: i have glibmm and gnome-vfsmm ready on http://ubuntu.gplan.info/mm [02:04] dholbach: nice [02:04] seb128: strings ~/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so | grep esd [02:04] "No such file" [02:04] flash sucks :p [02:04] heh [02:04] jordi: did you realize that you have sold your soul? [02:04] seb128: i'll need glibmm-2.6.0 for gtkmm-2.6.0 and gtkmm-2.6.0 for the other ones [02:04] $ strings ~/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so | grep libesd [02:04] libesd.so [02:04] libesd.so.1 [02:04] it's bizarre === moyogo [~moyogo@Toronto-HSE-ppp3717779.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:05] $ strings /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/libflashplayer.so | grep esd [02:05] libesd.so.1 [02:05] right :) [02:05] sucks so much you installed it system wide! [02:05] :-) [02:05] :p [02:05] remember, I'm french :) [02:09] heh..french :) [02:10] mdz: updates to doc team? [02:10] Burgundavia: x.org summary for the release notes [02:10] mdz: ah [02:10] bleh c'est une language tres difficile pour moi :) [02:15] he he === TerminX [~terminx@terminx.envision7.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:16] crimsun: what should I do with the kern.log, open a new bug with it in bugzilla, or is there something else to check first? === macewan [~macewan@ip68-101-19-222.nc.hr.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:18] mroth: you need to compare it with output from booting the machine with the usb device plugged in [02:20] alright, i'll boot it again for sake of consistency, bbiaf with results === mroth [~mroth@mroth.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:27] crimsun: hrm, interestingly enough, it appears the freeze is prior to kernel logging begins, since kern.log isnt touched from the boots where it freezes [02:28] mroth: zul suggested it very well could be an irq conflict [02:29] wouldnt that happen independantly of the software then? since the problem is linux specific === jammcq [~jam@pcp09022402pcs.watrfd01.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:33] is this a new install? [02:34] no, its been on hoary for the past 3-4 months at least [02:35] latop/desktop? [02:35] desktop [02:36] have you tried with booting pci=noacpi and the like? [02:36] yeah, sometimes that fixes it, but I tend to not do that since I'd rather unplug the thing before boot and still have ACPI [02:37] since it works fine if you plug it in post-boot [02:37] well open up a bug and will have a look at it closer [02:38] kernel-package? [02:38] linux [02:47] entered as bug #7258 [02:47] thanks [02:48] should I set target to 5.04 to indicate this is experienced in hoary? [02:48] sure..can you include your demsg as well thanks [02:49] sure.. how would I obtain dmesg from an unsuccessful boot? I assume you want one from a bad boot, not a successful one without the reader [02:49] you can check your kern.log i believe [02:49] mroth: the target milestone field is used for us to catalogue which bugs need to be fixed in which stage of the release [02:49] mroth: please leave it untouched [02:49] mdz: I thought that might be what it was for, which is why I asked, heh [02:50] (left untouched) [02:51] zul: kern.log isnt being written for the bad boots, i think its freezing prior to kernel logging to disk being init'd [02:52] hmm ok [02:52] hmm.. i could probably turn off quiet mode and just take a digicam pic of the screen? [02:54] bbl [02:56] is there a kernel arg for verbose logging to screen? going to see how much info i can nab === srbaker [~srbaker@blk-222-52-156.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:01] mroth: you could try removing quiet from your grub when you first boot [03:01] yeah, removing quiet doesnt seem to be quite as verbose as what normally gets put in kern.log though [03:17] night === hiweed [~hiweed@211.157.17.34] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:48] later [03:58] ogra: you rock [04:01] mdz: he's to bed already [04:01] mdz: but i'll tell him, he'll be pleased to hear :-) [04:11] dholbach: thanks [04:11] mdz: de rien [04:12] dholbach: do you live near ogra? [04:12] I suppose not, if you're awake [04:14] mdz: it's 150km to him :-) [04:14] and i'm just mad to be still awake [04:15] apparently [04:15] hehe :-) [04:15] i wanted to finish the libg*mm updates === mjg59 finishes hacking for the evening [04:15] I've managed to make nstx solid. Go me. [04:16] daniels wanted nstx to use cnames because telstra blocked the TXT records [04:16] Haha [04:20] well i'm off to bed now... good night [04:23] dholbach: night === zenrox [~zenrox@wbar7.sea-4-12-028-223.dsl-verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === OddAbe19 [~OddAbe19@pcp02542642pcs.lncstr01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi [~wasabi@c-24-1-67-127.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Xof [~mas01cr@158.223.59.22] has joined #ubuntu-devel === drbyte [~byte@byte.fedora] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === cc [~cc@c210-49-121-44.eburwd3.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jba [~jba@c211-30-145-155.blktn3.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cc [~cc@byte.fedora] has joined #ubuntu-devel === farruinn [~nathan@cpe-69-201-9-239.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [~stub@dsl-246.248.240.220.dsl.comindico.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Benoni [~liblit@ppp-68-249-85-169.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:30] jdub, mdz ... either of you fellows around? [06:32] OK, I'll throw this out to the general crowd then. [06:32] I'm working on a change to the build processes for an Ubuntu package. [06:33] what changes? [06:33] Starting with "*.orig.tar.gz" and "*.diff.gz", how should I organize things so as to make it as easy as possible to build a new "*.diff.gz" file after I've made my changes? [06:34] ajmitch, this is some experimental work with bug-hunting feedback instrumenation. [06:35] add a new version in the changelog, when you build the package a new .diff.gz will be built [06:35] if you wish to go that way [06:35] I've been chatting with jdub, seb128, mdz, and Luis Villa about it in e-mail. [06:36] ajmitch, what I don't understand is how the diff is built later. There's the tree I've modified, but where does it look for the pristine reference tree? [06:36] orig.tar.gz [06:36] Oh, I see. So the diff-building tool looks for the pristine sources right in the gzip'd tarball. Cool. [06:36] That's easy enough. [06:37] Thanks, crimsun. === Benoni has a head full of RPM trivia, and is still learning his way around the Debian packaging universe. [06:40] yo Benoni [06:41] Hey, jdub! [06:41] As you can see, your colleagues are keeping my questions nice and answered. [06:42] :-) [06:42] Quck status update: [06:43] I've got reasonable ".deb" packages being built for my instrumentor and the various supporting tools. [06:43] The instrumenting compiler seems to be working just fine, no changes required at all. [06:44] Now I'm looking at what it takes to CBI'ify a sample application. Rhythmbox is my chosen test subject. [06:44] I expect I'll end up with a couple of "dh_*" helper commands that one tosses into the "debian/rules" file in appropriate places. [06:44] That should cover most of what's needed beyond just switching compilers. [06:45] hrm, what kind of stuff? [06:45] As I noted in an earlier e-mail message, there are a few assorted other things to do, e.g.: [06:45] install an extra GConf spec file [06:46] move actual binaries out of /usr/bin and replace them with wrapper scripts that call the real binaries stored elsewhere [06:46] a new schema file per package? [06:46] Yeah. [06:46] "GConf spec file" should have been "GConf schema file" [06:46] we could do those on the buildd [06:46] What's "the buildd"? [06:47] the machines that build everything :-) [06:47] Ah. [06:47] So I guess my question for you is how should I codify the changes that are required when building a CBI-instrumented package? [06:48] I was assuming it would be codified as changes to "debian/rules" and perhaps a few extra files also under "debian". [06:48] But perhaps that's not the most useful form. [06:48] doing it in one package and documenting your changes is good [06:49] OK. [06:49] so if we decide to do it for a large selection of packages, we can fiddle with the buildd [06:50] To whatever extent I can, I'll try to encapsulate the changes in scripts that figure things out by themselves. [06:50] For the most part, those scripts already exist and are used when building instrumened RPMs. === HrdwrBoB [~matt@bob.is.teh.admin.at.vicnet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:55] Ack, late-night high-priority support request from a colleague in an inconvenient time zone. I'll have to pick this discussion up later. === Benoni wave to jdub et al. === Benoni waves to jdub et al. [07:12] man, those web design entries are awesome. === opi [~emil@217.153.156.1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fabbione [~fabbione@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:39] hey === cc [~cc@c210-49-121-44.eburwd3.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:45] wb fabbione! [07:45] hey crimsun [07:45] things going well? [07:46] crimsun: well first day at work after honeymoon... you decide :) [07:46] fabbione: sounds nasty :) [07:46] :-) [07:46] fabbione: one hint: don't read mails or/and see what's on voicemail :P [07:47] opi: ahha === cc [~cc@byte.fedora] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [~stub@dsl-246.248.240.220.dsl.comindico.com.au] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === stub [~stub@dsl-246.248.240.220.dsl.comindico.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [~stub@dsl-246.248.240.220.dsl.comindico.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === opi [~emil@217.153.156.1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [~martin@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:12] hey pitti [08:12] Morning [08:13] Hi fabbione, welcome back!!! [08:13] thanks dude [08:13] fabbione: did you have a nice honeymoon? [08:14] yeah it was cool [08:14] or, rather, warm? :-) [08:14] heheh that too :-) [08:15] fabio! [08:15] hey kid! === stub [~stub@dsl-246.248.240.220.dsl.comindico.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:15] ciao bella! how was your honeymoon? [08:15] it was great fun [08:16] i am gonna put pics online later today [08:16] me with galapagos penguins :-) [08:16] heheh [08:16] fantastic! [08:16] i gotta go help mum with food now, back a bit later [08:16] sure later [08:24] why would gnome-panel and nautilus segv on startup, from a clean account? [08:24] in hoary === Benoni [~liblit@ppp-68-249-85-169.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:25] In a "debian/control" file, can one use backslashes to break up long Build-Depends lists over several lines? [08:27] no [08:27] Benoni: nope.. it has to be on one line [08:27] hey elmo! [08:27] I think my problem might be due to missing packages but I wouldn't know which ones I need [08:27] hey fabbione - have a good time? [08:27] elmo: i need to send you a pic that you must put on galapagos in the dc :-) [08:27] besides "gnome-panel" :) [08:27] elmo: oh yeah.. it was great === Benoni pouts. [08:28] OK fabbione, thanks for the info. Too bad it wasn't what I was hoping to hear. ;-) [08:28] np === opi [~emil@217.153.156.1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === HrdwrBoB [~matt@bob.is.teh.admin.at.vicnet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Benoni discovers the joys of cdps. === Burgundavia [~Burgundav@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tuo2 [~foo@218-215-7-177.people.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [~daniel@td9091add.pool.terralink.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:38] good morning [08:40] hey fabbione! Welcome back aboard! :) === T-None points fabbione at #u-kernel and runs to work === fabbione sighs [08:41] ok [08:44] fabbione: ciao. [08:44] ciao === msturm [~msturm@t-20-214.athome.tue.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:59] can you guys please grab http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/pcibustype.c, compile it (with -DDEBUG if you want), and point it at your video card, and let me know if it works out pci/agp/pcie correctly? [09:00] to find out your video card's PCI ID, run lspci -X | grep 'VGA compatible controller' | cut -f1 -d' ' [09:00] e.g. sudo ./pcibustype $(lspci -X | grep 'VGA Compatible controller' | cut -f1 -d' ') [09:00] daniels: remind me in a few minutes :-) [09:00] er, sorry [09:00] e.g. sudo ./pcibustype $(lspci -X | grep 'VGA compatible controller' | cut -f1 -d' ') [09:00] fabbione: sure :) [09:00] daniels: [09:01] $ ./a.out PCI:1:0:0 [09:01] failed reading from offset % [09:01] couldn't read capability [09:01] pitti: sweet! [09:01] that's on powerpc, yeah? [09:01] daniels: no, i386 [09:01] really? [09:01] $ sudo ./pcibustype PCI:0:2:0 pci [09:01] fails here, too. i686. [09:01] pitti: could you please build with -DDEBUG and /msg me the output? [09:02] run it with sudo [09:02] er yeah, sudo is important :) [09:02] $ ./pcibustype PCI:0:2:0 [09:02] failed reading from offset % [09:02] couldn't read capability [09:02] daniels: oops, forgot sudo [09:02] :-) [09:02] only root can read the PCI caps [09:02] daniels: on i386: "agp" [09:02] pitti: is that right? :) [09:02] daniels: yes, that's right [09:02] for me: "agp". That is correct. [09:02] pitti: for bonus points, could you please try on powerpc? [09:02] daniels: on my iBook G4: "pci" (without sudo) [09:03] pitti: hmm. is it an agp card, d'you know? [09:03] daniels: with sudo: "agp" too [09:03] pci on my laptop, agp on my desktop [09:03] daniels: err, "pci", too [09:03] pitti: ah right [09:03] er, hm [09:03] daniels: actually this should be agp, too... [09:03] pitti: if you run sudo lspci -v -v -v, is it listed as having AGP in the capabilities section? [09:03] daniels: but I'm not sure [09:03] okay [09:03] turns out that the one in my laptop is PCI as well; may be something to do with an integrated bridge? who knows [09:04] daniels: Capabilities: [58] AGP version 2.0 [09:04] d'oh [09:04] daniels: DEBUG then? [09:04] mdz: hmm? because of evolution? :) [09:04] could you please build with -DDEBUG and send me the full output in /msg? [09:04] yeah [09:04] mdz: I'm worried, yes. :) === martink [~martin@pD9EB2A53.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti_ [~pitti@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:05] daniels: all fine here, my laptop doesn't seem to have agp [09:06] daniels: [09:06] * Use "Dev Phys" and USB device IDs in xorg.conf, instead of relying on the [09:06] hotplug handlers to set up /dev/multiuser. [09:06] this is wrong :-) [09:06] fabbione: bah [09:06] fabbione: hotplug never cauthg PS/2, for one [09:07] it does [09:07] it takes longer due to the nature of the bus [09:07] hmm. well, on my system and on gus's too, we just never got it [09:07] even after sleeping for 10 seconds [09:07] it was working here [09:07] so we were losing a lot of input ... that was just my quick fix [09:07] hm. well if we can fix it that would be great, but that was just what I had to do to get it working for both of us [09:07] jdub: cool [09:07] the reason why you should not use Dev Phys in xorg.conf is because you bind 2 config files even more [09:07] if the admin wants to move a keyboard from one hub to another [09:08] it needs to change config in 2 places [09:08] and restart all of X [09:08] for all the 4 heads [09:08] with the other solution is one change and one kill -USR2 === ferulo [~fer@22.Red-81-35-229.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:11] that was the all reason of updating the evdev patch to allow path to /dev [09:19] well, we have multiseat-configurator now [09:19] so theoretically you update multiseat.conf and re-run m-c [09:19] did you update the code in hotplug to kill the proper server? [09:20] but yeah ... if we can get the hotplug stuff fixed (lots of devices just weren't registering for me -- i missed one usb mouse and one ps/2; gus was missing the ps/2 and two usb, iirc), i'm happy to keep using that :) [09:20] nope [09:20] on my test install with 0.4 only the ps2 was NOT detected [09:20] but i figured that there was something else wrong [09:20] and it wasn't a multiseat error [09:21] i think the entry in /proc/bus/input/devices is created only after the first ps2 bytes are received on the bus [09:21] oh [09:21] that's shit [09:21] becuase strangely enough it was always the last entry in that list [09:21] but had no time to dig more into it [09:21] galapagos were waiting for me :-) [09:23] heh, yeah :) fair enough, too [09:24] fabbione: pcibustype.c at least solves the 'which card is AGP?' problem [09:24] stupid VGA routing :\ [09:24] what problem is that? [09:25] you HAVE to bring up the primary card (i.e. the one taking VGA interrupts) last [09:25] else your machine will hang solid [09:26] uh? [09:26] i wasn't seeing this problem because the agp card in my machine was listed last in lspci [09:26] i always init AGP as first in my setup [09:26] and it works fine [09:26] so if you look in multiseat-configurator, we make sure the agp card comes last, since that's generally the primary [09:26] weird -- could be a revision-specific thing with gus's setup? [09:26] weird [09:26] but it was definitely hanging until we did that [09:26] hmmm [09:26] which was a 'what the hell, trying this can't hurt' thing at 5am [09:27] now.. i remember the old multiseat setup from that was doing that [09:27] init the agp as last [09:27] yeah [09:27] but i never had that problem with our setup [09:30] might be a motherboard thing [09:30] or even a bios rev thing [09:30] yup [09:31] vga routing is a tricky beast [09:31] there are lots of good things about vga. and so, so many bad things. === stuNNed_ [~stuNNed@adsl-068-209-149-165.sip.msy.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [~egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:35] Hi mvo [09:35] hi pitti [09:36] mvo [09:36] do you read your memoserv [09:36] pitti: it's OK thanks, I can throw a PCI card in my amd64 here [09:36] daniels: ok [09:36] thanks for the testing though [09:36] you're welcome [09:37] hellas mvo [09:38] mvo: I have a draft of the update-manager manual ready, but no access to svn, so can't get it to you. Also have questions. [09:38] hi froud, hi dholbach, morning all [09:39] froud: I don't read my memos, didn't knew that I have any :) [09:39] :-) [09:39] ok' [09:39] how can I get this stuff over to you [09:40] froud: just send it via mail to me, that's savest [09:40] froud: I'll try to talk to mithario about your account again === abelli [~abelli@host-84-222-39-20.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [~Burgundav@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === koke [~koke@rm-001-26.serve.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:58] lamont: ping === ultrafunk [~pd@insanity.ridge.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [~carlos@host217-37-231-28.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:05] Morning carlos [10:06] pitti: morning [10:08] ola carlos [10:08] fabbione: hey! [10:08] fabbione: welcome === fabbione feels full of spanish these days :-) [10:09] fabbione: how was your trip? [10:09] it was great [10:09] lot of fun [10:09] cool [10:10] fabbione: hey! welcome back! [10:10] hey mvo! === carlos_ [~carlos@host217-37-231-29.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:14] fabbione: dude, jordi does not remembered that he was your AM!! [10:15] ehhehe [10:15] ah, back when fabio was a little nm :) === ultrafunk [~pd@eth779.vic.adsl.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:18] that's because, as any good padowa, i overtook his place of jedimaster === abelli [~abelli@host-84-222-39-20.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rburton [~ross@84.12.62.209] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:20] (jordi) that's bullshit dude :) [10:21] jordi is without network atm [10:29] ping doko === marcin_ant [~marcin@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:39] hey fabbione, welcome back [10:39] Kamion: is there any netinst in ubuntu? [10:39] abelli: no [10:40] Kamion: thx [10:40] hey Kamion! thanks [10:40] Kamion: how is the overall situation? [10:41] with regard to what? :) [10:41] everything? :) [10:42] looking pretty good for hoary preview [10:42] cool [10:43] ok mails are done.. time to start upgrading some machines [10:43] if you mean personally, all well :) still deep in wedding planning, we have a meeting with caterers today [10:43] 17K mails -> trash [10:43] Kamion: thanks god i am over it [10:43] ehehe [10:43] Kamion: but you are going to have a lot of fun with planning [10:45] yeah, I know :) === dredg [niall@malkovich.office.blacknight.ie] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:46] hi dredg [10:47] what do i do wrong, when i get dbus_bindings.DBusException: Connection ":1.7" is not allowed to add more match rules (increase limits in configuration file if required) when i start hal-device-manager? [10:49] dholbach: you have it too? [10:49] I got a bug assigned about that problem [10:49] dholbach: don't touch your system, I want to know what it is! [10:49] h-d-m DOES set a lot of match ruls.. [10:49] +e [10:50] mvo: i'll set up some black tea, when will you be here? [10:50] mvo: :-) === AndyFitz [~andy@220-245-97-227-qld-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ultrafunk [~pd@eth779.vic.adsl.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:52] pong: mvo === mirak [~mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-4-170.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:53] doko: you have mail :) === seb128 [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-34-198.w83-196.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:04] hey seb! [11:05] yo seb [11:05] morning [11:05] Hi seb128 [11:06] why does ubuntu ppc on macintosh tries to install quik boot loader instead of Yaboot ? [11:06] how can I change this default [11:06] hi fabbione daniels pitti :) === amu [~amu@amu.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti heartily curses at polypaudio === HrdwrBoB [~matt@bob.is.teh.admin.at.vicnet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:13] mirak: what kind of Mac? [11:19] hai seb128 === AndyFitz [~andy@220-245-97-227-qld-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [11:20] mirak: also what does 'archdetect' say if you run it on tty2? [11:20] seb128: gtkmm and gnomeuimm are up, at http://ubuntu.gplan.info/mm/, libglademm has to wait for gtkmm [11:24] pitti: ? [11:24] jdub: still debugging the assertion failure on ppc === seb128_ [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-29-88.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:24] pitti: golly. [11:24] jdub: it tries to play a 682 byte block with 16 Bit/stereo [11:25] jdub: which has a frame size of 4 bytes, and 682 % 4 != 0 [11:25] jdub: I think it forgets to update the block size on mono->stereo remixing [11:25] jdub: because the original mono sample is 682 bytes, too [11:25] jdub: or that is not #bytes, but #frames === Keybuk [~scott@host217-37-231-28.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:26] jdub: but the source code is so spaghetti-like, it is hard to grok it === doko [~doko___@dsl-084-059-013-034.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:29] cat vmlinuz > /dev/audio === Keybuk [~scott@host217-37-231-28.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:31] pitti: the kind of code that would appeal to a kernel hacker? :) [11:31] jdub: no, totally different :-) [11:31] heh [11:31] jdub: lots of void*, lots of asynchronous code [11:31] jdub: event-based [11:32] aha [11:32] jdub: and, of course, without useful comments :-( [11:32] everyone loves void pointers [11:32] yeah, they are so easy to debug === jdub coughs "german engineering" [11:34] ;-) [11:34] pitti: lennart would love your feedback, he's been really response (at least until he went to egypt) [11:34] responsive [11:35] jdub: does he know about this bug already? [11:35] pitti: yes, but hasn't been around much at all [11:35] pitti: he came back from egypt, mailed once, but radio silence since then [11:36] :-( [11:36] pitti: have you looked at polyp svn? [11:36] fears our bashing :-) [11:36] jdub: no, just the current package [11:36] daniels: can you please have a quick look over #7188 (dbus) and tell me if my proposed solution sounds about right [11:36] meh :-/ so it wasn't just laptop I was using last time [11:36] something about my home network and Mark's NAT are not friends [11:36] pitti: seen the pax breakage on bugtraq? [11:37] Keybuk: you're in his mac list? [11:37] jdub: he doesn't have one [11:37] Keybuk: pic seems to ditch ssh keepalives, among others [11:37] er, pix [11:38] mvo: sounds fine to me, feel free to upload [11:38] daniels: thanks [11:38] jdub: just looked at the svn, last commit is 2 months ago [11:39] jdub: no, last time going directly through his pix rather than through hagrid solved it === Keybuk waits for mark to reappear [11:40] ajmitch: yes, I saw it [11:41] ajmitch: I have to update my -hardened kernel [11:41] ajmitch: but I still have high-priority stuff to do before this [11:41] yes, that's why I was asking ,not that I've used them :) [11:41] ajmitch: however, was a pretty big shock :-( [11:41] yeah, I was surprised === carlos_ [~carlos@host217-37-231-20.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === __keybuk [~scott@host217-37-231-22.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti discovers http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/ [11:51] coool [11:51] __keybuk: tell mark to do the reconfiguration I've prepped [11:51] __keybuk: it may help [11:51] I was so often asked about a web-based package info interface for Ubuntu... [11:51] the ssh keepalive thing will be the pix's short session lifetime counter [11:51] (the first thing I do to any pix is ratchet that way up [11:52] my first step usually involves setting fire to it [11:52] <__keybuk> lifeless: *shrug* going directly to the pix works fine (as now) [11:54] jdub: there? [11:54] yeah [11:55] jdub: ah, cool. backlog telle me you were chatting with seb about the polypaudio lag issue.. [11:55] Kamion: a mac G3, so not an oldworld [11:55] jdub: i get a second of lag atm =) [11:56] Kamion: archdetect command not found [11:56] Kamion: that's a debian I switched to ubuntu [11:56] jdub: i was chatting with the gstreamer guys and they pointed at esdsink not haveing delay reporting as a possible reason.. [11:57] jdub: that might also explain the varying lags you've seen [11:57] robtaylor_: yeah, that affects everything though [11:57] mirak: archdetect> I mean while the installer is still running [11:57] robtaylor_: but both esound and polypaudio lag with other tools (xine) [11:57] Kamion: I don't know, I didn't installed ubuntu [11:57] I upgraded from debian [11:57] jdub: so so we know what conetxt the lags are appearing? [11:57] mirak: oh, what exactly are you talking about then? [11:58] on debian it was using yaboot [11:58] 10:06 < mirak> why does ubuntu ppc on macintosh tries to install quik boot loader instead of Yaboot ? [11:58] i've only tested with mpegs locally . [11:58] I also have debian on an oldworld and it runs quik [11:58] while doing what? [11:58] Kamion: a dist-upgrade [11:58] upgrade of the kernel image [11:58] robtaylor_: polyp improves on esound, but it's not perfect yet [11:58] *that's* the information I was looking for [11:58] Kamion: I though it was obvious :) [11:58] no, it was not [11:59] ok, I'll have a look at it [11:59] jdub: well its does improve in a number of ways, but a second lag on playing video is something terrible [11:59] robtaylor_: you'll get worse out of esound [11:59] jdub: I still think at the least, we need a tool like Red Hat's s-c-sound or whatever... too many people have sound issues! [11:59] jdub: i'm not here as a user dude =) [11:59] seb128: (yikes - woooosh!) [11:59] :) [12:00] jdub: what i want to know is if there enough known to attack the problem === sabdfl [~mark@host217-37-231-28.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:01] robtaylor_: sure, but you'd be wanting to speak to the gstreamer guys and lennart for polyp [12:01] robtaylor_: another option is fixing the gst-polyp src/sink [12:01] (possibly more useful than fixing esdsink) [12:02] jdub: might do that.. i have to learn about the sync stuff anyway for my rtp plugin =) [12:03] (you know, it would be a kinda neat hack to use rtp for network audio) [12:03] jdub: i know, that was the otehr thing iw as going to chatr you about.. [12:03] jdub: seems flumotion doesn't have any amd64 love; gst falls over and dies. [12:03] Mithrandir: ooh, really? [12:03] Hello everybody [12:03] Mithrandir: doing something simple? [12:03] Hi sivang [12:04] hey pitti :) [12:04] jdub: starting the director, a worker and the admin interface. [12:04] jdub: i've been thinking for a while that it would be neat to use jackd with the jackd-asyn sink, and use rtp for remote stuff ( again going to a locally running jackd with jackd-asyn at the end) [12:04] jdub: about g-a-i/desktop files ? [12:05] Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 04:56:46 -0500 (EST) [12:05] ^ gnome-games on f-r-l [12:05] Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 11:24:52 +0100 [12:05] jdub: and pro guys can stick run the security hole, but it wound't necessarily be needed for normal users ;) [12:05] ^ gnome-games on hoary-changes [12:05] Mithrandir: any idea about #6762? The crash is in pango [12:05] ;-) [12:05] seb128: been working on it today [12:05] Mithrandir: could it perhaps be fixed already? I remember you doing something to pango [12:06] Mithrandir: so you're not actually running a flow? [12:07] jdub: before I even get to that. [12:07] jdub: seems like the video test source is crashing, actually. [12:07] haggai: oopadmin/spadmin probably isn't wrapped in my glorious pango hack [12:08] Mithrandir: ah right [12:08] haggai: that's my first guess at least. [12:08] Mithrandir: sounds like a good guess [12:09] haggai: you want me to look at it post-preview? [12:10] Mithrandir: yes please if you could, I don't have a machine here. How complicated is your pango hack? An alternative would be to disable the gtk frontend for padmin, would be a simple envvar export in the script === lunitik [~trey@ip68-230-75-109.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:11] haggai: it's a LD_PRELOAD [12:12] Mithrandir: ah so similar effort [12:12] gtk-gnutella is still b0rked right? [12:13] (I just checked and I see it's missing the binary) [12:13] sivang: yes, I'm building & signing a new upload [12:13] crimsun: yay! [12:14] crimsun: what was the problem preventing clean build of the binary? [12:15] sivang: gtk-gnutella source included its own progress bar cell renderer which conflicts with GTK+-2.6's [12:15] crimsun: ah, figures. [12:15] sivang: I took the opportunity to also grab a fix for a possible NULL pointer deref [12:15] crimsun: superb! [12:20] seb128: got the message on gtkmm and gnomeuimm? don't want to bother you... just make sure :-) [12:21] fabbione is back !! === trukulo [~mzarza@26.Red-81-45-239.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:21] morning everybody [12:21] hi oliver [12:21] dholbach: nop [12:21] ogra: no you are only dreaming [12:22] seb128: gtkmm and gnomeuimm are up, at http://ubuntu.gplan.info/mm/, libglademm has to wait for gtkmm [12:22] dholbach: where ? [12:22] dholbach: k, thanks [12:22] heh, dreaming of fabbione [12:22] fabbione, what about your wedding? [12:22] trukulo: what about it? [12:22] fabbione, are you a married man now? [12:22] it was cool and cold :-) [12:22] lol [12:22] getting married in a snow storm wasn't 100% fun [12:22] fabbione: where were you? [12:23] fabbione, you should be nude to be 100% fun [12:23] but something you can tell your kids about [12:23] Mithrandir: copenhagen [12:23] ogra, i see graveman 0.3.8 from sid is in hoary, good work [12:24] fabbione: on the honeymoon? :) [12:24] http://www.fabbione.net/wedding/IMG_0854.html [12:24] trukulo: i have added a cdrdao dependency.... [12:24] Mithrandir: ecuador and galapagos [12:24] trukulo: else, thanks for the good upstream work ;) [12:24] fabbione: oooh, sounds nice. :) [12:24] ogra, good point, i'll tell otavio [12:24] Mithrandir: it was :-) [12:24] Mithrandir: galapagos > * [12:25] fabbione: got loads of pics? [12:25] fabbione ! Welcome Back :) [12:25] Mithrandir: 2Gb of digital + 10 x 36 films + 2 x 28(?) underwater pics [12:25] elmo: could you look at the kdebase compile when you have time? [12:25] fabbione, you seem a funny penguin dreesed like that [12:25] fabbione: nicey. :) [12:25] it's kinda geek, heh [12:25] trukulo: i looked like one.. yeah :-) [12:26] Mithrandir: i am trying to complete the sync of my mirrors before putting them online.. something hanged badly a while ago === Safari_Al [~tr@ppp51-83.lns1.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [~Burgundav@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:28] fabbione, then, now you are back with us again... i have a weird question for you [12:28] i am back [12:28] from this morning [12:28] but for weird questions.. hmmm [12:28] gimme 2 minutes :-) [12:28] can you blow yourself? [12:28] mother nature is calling [12:28] ups, that's not for you [12:29] i'll wait [12:29] :) [12:29] no i can't blow myself :-) [12:29] fabbione, you've tried then... [12:30] Riddell: elmo won't be around most of today [12:30] Kamion: humph === kent [~kent@83.249.61.222] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:33] trukulo: ehhee [12:33] ok so what's the weird question? [12:33] well, i have an ati igp 320m [12:33] -> daniels [12:33] good answer [12:34] fabbione: you have turtule photos? ;-) [12:34] sivang: hey.. yes [12:34] fabbione, but you was X dev [12:34] both land and sea turtles [12:34] trukulo: i am out of X since we met in Mataro... [12:34] it's a question about dri enabled in livecd, and not in hoary installed [12:35] uf, lot of time then, ok, ask daniels [12:35] trukulo: that could depend on dri modules loaded properly or not [12:35] fabbione, i assure you i've read a LOT [12:35] be sure that the kernel modules are loaded properly [12:35] and have proper modules loaded [12:35] drm, ati_igp, agpgart,radeon and dependant modules [12:36] trukulo: i don't think dri works on the 320 [12:36] strange is, glxinfo say DRI=yes in livecd, and not in hoary installed [12:36] really? that is weird [12:36] not installing fglrx or nvidia or anything else strange? [12:36] check the diff between lsmod and xorg.conf in both livecd and installed version [12:36] daniels, in livecd i swear you it said to me : yes [12:36] i'm aware about 3d problem with 320m [12:36] no, livecd as is [12:37] fabbione, same one [12:37] and i use same xorg.conf than in livecd [12:37] kernel version is the same? [12:37] i'm completely lost [12:37] fabbione, no, kernel is different [12:37] well you got your answer :-) [12:37] 2.4.9 in livecd, and 2.4.10-k7 in installed [12:37] yes, but why? modules are the same, isn't it? [12:37] no [12:38] try a more recent livecd [12:38] and igp320m it's not supossed to have 3D [12:38] 2.6.9 is obsoleted [12:38] fabbione, 2.6.9 works [12:38] in fact, it's 2.4.10-4-k7 that doesn't work [12:38] i said, it's very weird [12:39] could be dri enabled different in 2.4.9 than in 2.4.10 ? [12:39] yes [12:39] they are [12:39] then that's it === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:39] in 2.4.9 glxinfo reports dri enabled, and with 2.4.10 not [12:40] archives hates me [12:40] fabbione, i understand that poor archives [12:41] well, doesn't matter, just wanna know what's that [12:41] see you in 10 mins === HiddenWolf [~hidde@136.15.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:44] woohoo, 2.10 packages! :) === decko [decko@143.107.220.163] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:45] trukthat's really weird ... === HiddenWolf [~hidde@136.15.dynamic.phpg.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [12:49] sladen: uml, or vserver? === eruin [~eruin@eruin.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lunitik wishes there was a 'seperator' applet... [01:03] Wasn't there one once upon a time? [01:03] sepArator :-0 [01:03] :-) [01:04] Would make it so much easier to visually organize my panels :( [01:04] Kamion: gah... thats why I don't major in English :P === trukulo [~mzarza@26.Red-81-45-239.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jbailey [~jbailey@CPE000ded9d787c-CM014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:10] jdub: ping === Goshawk [~Goshawk@host144-106.pool8253.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:10] pong [01:10] jdub: still no luck with polypaudio [01:10] jdub: do you think it would hurt us much to default to oss sink, at least on ppc? [01:11] pitti: mdz and i were talking about reverting to esound for hoary, which i'm happy with [01:11] pitti: if you're not getting any love with that change, that's the last nail in the coffin [01:11] jdub: it works fine with oss [01:11] yeah [01:11] i know [01:12] but cumulatively, we're better off reverting [01:12] jdub: I'm just not sure whether it makes sense for me to spend hours and hours on it [01:12] stop now :-) [01:12] before we lose you in the spaghetti :) [01:12] I still have one trace, I think I give myself another half an hour [01:12] okay= [01:12] heh [01:12] okay? [01:12] sure [01:13] spaghetti ? somebody said spaghetti? boy, /me is hungry [01:13] sivang: go eat some asynchronous polypaudio code :-) === ogra too [01:13] whoa, language pack a-go-go === jdub is updating mirror [01:14] heeeere's johnny! [01:15] pitti: :))) [01:19] jdub: might this fun with polypaudio be the reason that muine is currently borked on my machine? [01:21] bbl [01:21] Burgundavia: depends on your configuration and what the b0rkage is [01:23] jdub: hmm. Well muine starts but simply doesn't play and rhythmbox throws up an error about alsa device is use, and I assume those are connected. I just did a search of bugzilla, but didn't see anything [01:23] run gstreamer-properties, see what gstreamer is configured to use [01:24] alsa [01:24] hmm, changed to esd and it worked [01:25] got that for Oss and Alsa - Failed to construct test pipeline for 'OSS - Open Sound System [01:27] esd is the correct configuration if you're using polypaudio [01:27] (and it is the default) [01:27] ah === lupusBE [~lupus@dD5E03F2C.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:27] I had some issues with that several months ago, and that is why it was changed [01:28] however, I am a little confused. Is there an easy place I can start reading about Alsa/Esd/etc. and where all the pieces fit? [01:32] hrm, don't think so [01:32] is there someone interested to try a alpha package of an "usermode splash" booting process? [01:33] jdub: right I shall dig. Thanks for the quick help [01:33] i can give you a quick run down [01:33] alsa is the kernel interface to the sound hardware [01:33] libasound is the alsa user level libraries, used to access the kernel interface [01:34] esd is a userspace daemon run as the user that mixes audio, does sample caching, and network audio [01:34] it's mostly used for the mixing and sample-caching parts though [01:34] gstreamer is a multimedia framework that includes sinks (output plugins) for alsa, esd, etc. [01:35] polypaudio is a less neanderthal replacement for esd (but early stage) [01:35] oss is the old kernel audio interface [01:36] anything else you missed? [01:36] jdub: remind me again why we decided alsa dmix as a bad idea? ;) [01:36] so apps talk to gst --> esd/polpy --> alsa/oss ? === HiddenWolf [~hidde@136.15.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:36] or gst --> alsa/oss [01:36] robtaylor_: because it's unreliable, doesn't handle network audio, is a pita to configure, etc. [01:37] Burgundavia: by default in warty, apps that use gstreamer talk to esd -> oss [01:37] Burgundavia: in hoary, we were hoping for that to be polyp -> alsa [01:37] jdub: heh, well i think its back to it on my system rather than suffer esound again =) [01:38] Burgundavia: but without a mixing component like esd ppaudio between gst and alsa/oss you are only able to play one sound at a time [01:38] unless your audio hardware support multiple writers [01:38] (which is not the case on any of my new hardware) [01:39] Burgundavia: thats why you get the error in RB if esd/ppaudio is running in the background [01:39] (and the primary reason why i didn't give a crap about any of this when i had an sb live) === netjoined: irc.freenode.net -> benford.freenode.net === mirak [~mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-4-170.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:39] jdub: seems ok on centrino chipset =) === martink [~martin@pD9EB2A53.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:40] the 810 audio chip doesn't support multiple writers [01:40] that's why you're using dmix [01:41] I see why they say audio on linux is a mess === crimsun_ [~crimsun@f204e374a7209dac.node.tor] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:42] Burgundavia: more things than just audio are a mess. One of the disadvantages of not having strict corporate control. [01:42] jdub: ah, misread above text =) [01:43] don't assume windows is much better [01:44] so the perfect world is gst with ppaudio and alsa? [01:44] is that doable in hoary+1? [01:44] jdub: windows is smoother to work on, linux is safer/more reliable [01:44] all bets are off when it comes to i8xx, be that sound or video :) === dredg smacks his laptop [01:45] Burgundavia, ideally we wouldn't need anything like esound, polypaudio, or their ilk [01:45] HiddenWolf: i'm referring to your audio comment. [01:45] Burgundavia, it'd be nice if alsa-lib's dmix were fully up to snuff, but unfortunately that's not the case [01:46] jdub: never had a windows machine give out on me soundwise === seb128 [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-29-88.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:46] HiddenWolf: that has nothing to do with available audio interfaces and "mess" [01:46] how does macos solve that ? [01:47] jdub: I think I'm close to the problem now :-) [01:48] pitti: i have added a question about language settings to hwdb-client..... [01:48] pitti: it currently reads: Is the system language setting ok ? [01:49] pitti: any better suggestions for a question would be very welcome [01:49] ogra: It should read "Ist die Spracheinstellung korrekt? :-) [01:49] grrr.... [01:49] :) [01:49] ogra: maybe s/system/default/ or s/system// [01:50] hmm, the default ? [01:50] ogra: you can change it in gdm [01:51] dont i have to select one on installation ? [01:51] ogra: right [01:51] ogra: you select a default [01:51] ogra: maybe just drop "system" [01:51] hmm, ok [01:51] any other opinions? [01:51] i'll do it this way [01:53] I vote for "correct" instead of "ok" [01:53] yeah, sounds better :) [01:53] YAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO === trukulo [~mzarza@26.Red-81-45-239.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti now happily plays through polypaudio on ppc [01:53] jdub: got it [01:54] :-) [01:54] jdub: for the unwise: http://gnomedesktop.org/node/feed [01:54] jdub: try that http://www.linux-mag.com/2004-12/sound_01.html [01:54] how is this mess? http://www.linux-mag.com/2004-12/img2/sound_01.gif [01:55] jdub: stupid bug: pa queried the block duration in ns from ALSA and used this time (682 ns) as buffer size [01:55] jdub: AARRGH [01:55] Burgundavia: good one [01:55] Burgundavia: it's much simpler on real distributions [01:55] pitti, eek! [01:55] Burgundavia: you have one line to traverse [01:56] jdub: ? [01:56] that graph is meaningless on normal systems [01:57] ah [01:58] humpf [01:59] jetlag is hitting me :-) [02:00] pitti: crack! [02:00] pitti: that's pretty remarkable [02:00] pitti: why does it only manifest on ppc? [02:01] jdub: pure coincidence, AFAICS [02:01] cunning :) [02:02] jdub: I'm testing the patch with several use cases now, and later on my i386 [02:02] jdub: it's only an one-line patch [02:03] heh [02:03] congrats, and thanks :) [02:03] you're welcome :-) === pitti now listens Simon&Garfunkel on his iBook === jordi [~jordi@115.Red-213-96-69.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:07] haha, Linux's sound architecture is multi-layered and complex..... [02:07] ....sure, if i display it this way..... === Kamion attempts to disentangle base-installer's kernel metapackage handling [02:08] ogra: Linux sound architecture is like an onion! [02:08] [02:08] Treenaks: does that look like an onion to you ? http://www.linux-mag.com/2004-12/img2/sound_01.gif [02:08] *g* [02:08] ogra: *fires up gimp* === ogra thinks linux inst complicated...... just its documentation is..... [02:10] s/inst/isnt [02:10] cool @ redesign winners === abelli_ [~abelli@host-84-222-39-20.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:10] i especially like the Download Ubuntu thing here: [02:10] http://people.ubuntu.com/~jdub/2005/webcomp/brad-griffith.png === tuo2 [~foo@218-215-7-177.people.net.au] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [02:11] tseng: yeah [02:12] tseng: it looks very mozilla.orgish [02:12] pitti: hmm, that should have a nice impact in general, really [02:12] Treenaks: in a good way [02:12] jdub: I'm just _really_ puzzled that this only occurred on ppc [02:12] jdub: it's probably sound chip dependent, not arch-dependent [02:13] fabbione: word to the wise - before uploading any gnome packages for sparc, make sure they don't reference libhowl, or life gets painful... [02:13] daniels: ack [02:13] jdub: a guy on #gnome would like to get this fix to clearlook: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1156793&group_id=129376&atid=714612 [02:13] lamont: Hi [02:13] lamont: the stripped tarballs are fine now [02:13] lamont: can you please move all tarballs but today's to old-translations/ and update the directory *.txt files? [02:14] lamont: yo ... l-r-m 2.6.11? :) [02:14] seb128: i'm sure upstream will fix that quickly [02:14] seb128: i'll remind them [02:14] k === jdub fixes Humanity in the mean time [02:16] daniels: ?? === trukulo [~mzarza@26.Red-81-45-239.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:16] hey lamont [02:16] hey, one question... on topic : upgrade to kernel 2.6.10-24 [02:17] shouldn't be : 2.6.10-4 [02:17] ? [02:17] -24?..... [02:17] morning fabbione - sorry about the mailing list thing... [02:17] lamont: no problem.. [02:17] already placed the filters around [02:17] hmm that's why it was looking weird... [02:17] -23 had a bad inotify patch... :-( [02:17] lamont: is it planned? [02:17] trukulo: 2.6.10-24 is the package version, 2.6.10-4 is the kernel version with module ABI [02:17] trukulo: try not to confuse the two [02:17] daniels: fabbione is doing 2.6.11.... [02:18] Kamion, ok, thanks [02:18] as soon as i get my local mirror synced again [02:18] just to be able to download the sources... [02:18] trukulo: the topic's good the way it is [02:18] trukulo: and 2.6.10-4_2.6.10-23 was bad, 2.6.10-4_2.6.10-24 was good... [02:18] but yeah.. i can get .11 out tomorrow or something [02:18] i need to resync with 2.6.10 first [02:19] fabbione: arch repository for 2.6.10 debian tree is in rookery:~lamont/Archives/kernel-team@ubuntu.com--2005/kernel-debian--mainline--2.6.10 [02:19] ok, ok , i understand now , thanks for info [02:19] lamont: ok thanks :-) [02:20] fabbione: s/arch/baz/ btws [02:21] yeah [02:21] fabbione: and fwiw, the sparc buildd died shortly after you left. :-( === Goshawk [~Goshawk@host144-106.pool8253.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:21] s/died/went non-responsive/ [02:21] lamont: yup.. i read the mail and started it again [02:22] lamont: for some reason the machine just went back to OBP [02:22] no idea why [02:22] OBP? [02:22] Open Boot Prom [02:25] ah cool [02:26] ah, 'k. === lamont must take kids to school === fabbione must get some sleep === daniels must sleep also. === trukulo must be rich [02:30] later guys [02:30] i need to sleep a bit to get over the jetlag [02:31] fabbione: dude? [02:31] damn === thom stands on jordi's shoulders === enrico [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:33] thom: that won't get you very far === Alessio [~Alessio@host113-4.pool8251.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [~chuck@198.62.158.205] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:34] heylo [02:34] hi zul [02:34] hi tseng [02:38] seb128: do you know where on fd.o there's the manual for the .desktop file spec? [02:38] pitti: could you please review dbus-qt for a move into main [02:39] amu: is KDE moving into main for Hoary? [02:39] carlos: yep [02:40] sivang: look in software for something like xdg [02:40] ogra: eh I thought they were in the specs, and googled but nothing :) [02:41] ogra, you there? [02:41] ogra: nah, not there [02:41] ogra, why do you added cdrdao as a depend? === koke [~koke@rm-001-26.serve.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:41] i'm looking changelog, and cdrdao is included in cvs, not in 0.3.8 , i'm i wrong? [02:42] thom: that is going to crush me if you do it again [02:42] trukulo: it is used by 0.3.8 [02:42] ogra, http://savannah.nongnu.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs/graveman/graveman/current/ChangeLog?rev=1.42&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup [02:42] read it, it's used (changelog said) in 0.3.8 cvs, not released [02:43] otavio and i are using 0.3.8 released [02:43] sivang: http://specs.freedesktop.org/wiki/Standards/desktop-entry-spec [02:43] cvs version will ber 0.4 [02:43] ogra: thanks, how did you search ? [02:43] elmo: please could you sync libassuan-dev from debian into universe [02:43] buildds are working overtime tonight! :) [02:43] trukulo: so your version has no reference to cdrdao in its settings ? [02:43] ogra, so, as i know, 0.3.8 we use doesn't use cdrdao [02:44] it shouldn't, but i'm not sure as it's made by otavio, not me [02:44] mine has [02:44] could be, i'll ask otavio when i see him [02:45] trukulo: havent had the time to try it out extensively, but was assuming it would be used if the settings have such an option [02:45] ogra, not sure, anyway, that depend would be ok for next version [02:46] yeah for preventive dependencys [02:46] :) yeah [02:47] sivang: http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/ === srbaker [~srbaker@blk-222-52-156.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:49] seb128: thanks again :-) === bradb [~bradb@modemcable065.154-81-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:52] sivang: what are you working on ` [02:52] ? === wasabi [~wasabi@c-24-1-67-127.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:54] ogra: trying to see how oowriter is executed, as per #6202 === HiddenWolf [~hidde@136.15.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mxpxpod [~bryan@wuw-ojr3gmca.dybb.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === `anthony [~anthony@220-253-31-237.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:03] sivang: das i thought you were bored enough to go for this one : https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePackageWithoutDesktopFile [03:03] s/das/sad [03:04] *g* [03:05] ogra: hrm, one question, how did you form this list? :-) [03:05] i didnt...it suddenly appeared out of nowhere..... [03:05] I think that it's either done using a script, or some madman :) [03:06] ...but it would be nice to have a conversion script from the debian menu entrys [03:06] from menu entirs to desktop files , hmmm [03:06] interesting bit [03:06] sivang: you'd better hope it's a script. :) [03:06] HiddenWolf: yeah, I nearly fainted to the length [03:07] ogra: well, the guy who wrote the script can just as easy write a conversion script I think :) [03:07] i think half of this list doesnt need an entry.... [03:07] sivang: true.... [03:07] ogra: or else we can create a script to read this wiki page, and create desktop files for each pkg there :) [03:07] heh [03:08] I see gnome 2.10 entering hoary, but it's not done yet, right? [03:08] HiddenWolf: releasing tomorrow morning [03:08] daniels: you were too fast with replying to #7138 :-) [03:08] daniels: I wanted to include both outputs since they differ [03:08] HiddenWolf: so i expect seb128 would have it all done by then [03:08] HiddenWolf: hoary gets packages as they're uploaded to gnome ftp [03:09] there's only one last thing to optimise out [03:09] but he's french [03:09] and we like him [03:09] so we keep him around :-) [03:10] seb128 is needed so we've got a free tomboy logo [03:10] jdub: move him to .au :) [03:10] jdub: does gnome usually ship with ~1050 open bugs? === seb128 slaps rburton [03:10] rburton: good point [03:10] HiddenWolf: huh? [03:10] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/reports/gnome-210-report.html [03:11] HiddenWolf: are you suggesting that software is generally released without any bugs? === jdub boggles [03:12] rburton: just suprized at the amount and impact of them, really [03:12] dude, those are only the bugs that are *reported* === abelli [~abelli@host-84-222-39-20.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:12] i just did my bit and removed the SJ bug from that list [03:12] jdub: why not do a 2.10.1 "bugfixes only, please" release then? :) [03:12] jdub: I figured that. [03:12] only ~1050? wow...windows must have less [03:12] Treenaks: gnome does exactly that [03:12] HiddenWolf: also, lots of those are NEW and UNVERIFIED etc. [03:13] HiddenWolf: I guess [03:13] Treenaks: we've done that for every release i can remember [03:13] oh [03:13] except 1.4.1 [03:13] that's a funny one [03:13] jdub: that one's ancient, too. [03:13] though we ended up officially releasing it at one point, as a tribute [03:14] Will that bug be fixed that prevents the mouse theme from showing? [03:15] HiddenWolf: no such bug exists [03:15] are you talking about a bug where the cursor theme is missing? [03:15] currently, there is no cursor theme on the disk === dholbach [~daniel@td9091add.pool.terralink.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:15] HiddenWolf: if you get the ximian-artwork tarball you can throw it in ~/.iconts [03:15] icons [03:15] jdub: the ubuntu themed cursors got replaced with the ugly industrial ones, i thought that was a bug. [03:16] uhm [03:16] HiddenWolf: entirely the wrong way around :) [03:16] industrial got replaced with X defaults [03:16] lamont: ping [03:16] HiddenWolf: the industrial ones were dropped on the floor in a major reshuffle upstream [03:16] jdub: doh, sorry :S [03:17] HiddenWolf: it's best to ask questions before making statements like these. [03:18] or look around bugzilla :P [03:20] :$ === theine [~theine@83.72.197.119.ip.tele2adsl.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:24] jdub: will the theme be back? [03:29] yes [03:31] jdub: grrr, this guy on #gnome-debian ... === eruin [~eruin@eruin.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:31] yeah [03:34] seb128: hostinggeek (aka Gmail, shimen) ? there's a reason he's banned here [03:35] I start to understand why :p [03:35] argh, he is in gnome-debian now ? [03:35] thom: he wants to come to ubuntu down under [03:35] AAAHH [03:35] or so he said this morning [03:35] ARGH [03:35] oh sweet baby jesus [03:35] seb128: currently we have hom as pet in ubuntu-motu [03:35] him even [03:35] i've had him on ignore for a long, long time [03:35] some pet [03:36] he keeps biting me in the ankles [03:36] tseng: heheh [03:36] it'll be cool [03:36] tseng: its a love bite :) [03:36] hehe [03:36] someone will snap and beat him up [03:36] he thinks you will [03:36] s/someone/everyone/, I guess [03:37] jdub: kicked off a thread on gamin-list about /media/* and inotify [03:37] tseng: was just about to mention :) [03:37] tseng: the problem is that there's a lot of duplicated functionality between dnotify and inotify [03:38] tseng: and the problem with *that* is that it's not completely duplicated :) [03:38] I figured as much [03:38] needs a bit of refactoring [03:38] but he just posted with no small confidence that it was solved [03:38] oh, DV replied? [03:38] I figure if i point it out, he'll test and quickly solve the issue [03:38] no, his most recent post [03:38] http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gamin-list/2005-March/msg00000.html [03:39] he's only testing against dnotify [03:41] makes sense [03:41] ill bbiab, might even poke at the code if its obvious [03:42] tseng: do you have a blog? [03:42] planning on it soon [03:42] cool [03:42] dholbach wants to track motu daily routine [03:43] which is a nice idea [03:44] amu: which package shall I review again? [03:44] amu: (sorry for the lag, lots of stuff to do...) === farruinn [~nathan@cpe-69-201-9-239.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:46] pitti: no prob, dbus-1-qt, it's needed as a builddepends for kdebase, which blocks atm everything [03:46] amu: but it's already in main?? [03:46] amu: dbus-qt-1, at least [03:47] Filename: pool/universe/d/dbus/dbus-qt-1-dev_0.23-1ubuntu6_powerpc.deb [03:48] http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/k/kdebase/4:3.4.0-0pre1ubuntu1/kdebase_4:3.4.0-0pre1ubuntu1_20050307-1408-i386-failed [03:49] amu: tried kubuntu, nice piece, congrats :) [03:50] jdub: can I take the Ubuntu logo , just translate the letters of the name and put on the .IL wiki ? who can permit that? [03:50] jdub: (into hebrew , ofcourse) [03:50] mail info@ubuntu.com [03:51] jdub: ok, thanks/. [03:55] so [03:56] something that sucks is having some key get stuck during resume [03:56] so it's impossible to unlock xscreensaver, as the password box gets filled with a thousand chars [03:56] ouch [03:57] I blame mjg59 in some way [03:58] Gah. Not my fault. [03:58] hmm, does anyone remember a bug where the keyboard doesnt work right in X, you switch to a console where everything works but is uppercase ? i'm just expiriencing that..... [03:59] it gets lowerscase after one login/logout cycle and X is fine again === ogra wonders what to blame for this one [03:59] mjg59: have you ever seen it happen? === x4m [~max@168.159-200-80.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:00] Yeah. [04:00] The 8042 driver needs to reset more state on resume === Mitario [~michiel@sikkes.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:00] ah === froud [~froud@ndn-165-131-148.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _froud_ [~froud@ndn-165-131-148.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _froud_ is now known as froudddddd === froudddddd is now known as froud_ [04:04] is archive.ubuntu.com a bit slow right now? [04:04] mvo: yes... for me too [04:05] wb dholbach ! === ogra heard this question on #ubuntu before today [04:05] mvo: merci beaucoup [04:06] dholbach: excellent your french :) [04:06] hehe... seb128 would laugh about it ;-) [04:07] ah ah :p === dholbach needs to catch up on it, once the thesis and everything have settled [04:08] and we have no op on #gnome-debian ... === tseng gives seb128 a power bar [04:09] ogra: if you type your username in all-caps, getty assumes you're on an ancient terminal where lowercase didn't work properly and forces everything to uppercase [04:09] Kamion: i dont type caps...but they get displayed.... [04:09] Kamion: ah, thanks. I already thought there was a bug with shift lock in the kernel [04:09] well, something evidently threw some capital letters at that tty [04:09] Kamion: i remember seeing this one with 2.0 and 2.2 kernels as well [04:10] where it occured even via ssh [04:10] the code's been there for eons; I don't remember exactly where it lives [04:11] yeah, i thought it was solved long ago.... i'll have a look after preview if i find the ancient bugfix... === morgs [~morgan@wblv-146-234-173.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:14] Kamion: oh, and btw, its on all ttys and even the issue text and login are capitalised [04:14] ogra: that code has been standard-unix for as long as I can remember... [04:14] ogra: it forces _everything_ into uppercase [04:14] hey lamont [04:14] morning zul [04:14] ah.... === ogra starts to understand.... [04:16] lamont: but: how do you get out of that mode? [04:16] Treenaks: start a new tty [04:16] Treenaks: login/logout === joaocruz [~joao@ip68-0-220-224.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:17] or fail to login 3 times [04:17] lamont: urgh.. that sounds windowsish [04:17] what worries me is that it seems connected to a berakage in X [04:17] it's a fall back mode in case you're stuck in the 1970's. [04:17] breakage even === joaocruz [~joao@ip68-0-220-224.ri.ri.cox.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [04:17] ogra: b0rkage :-) [04:18] since i only discovered it through a not working keyboard in X .... [04:18] lamont, heh [04:18] thom: is jackass broken? [04:18] Mithrandir: ... [04:18] thom: http://archive.ubuntu.com just sits there [04:18] jackass != archive.u.c [04:18] that's not jackass [04:18] oh, sorry [04:19] archive.u.c, then :P === marcin_ant [~marcin@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:20] /* Handle names with upper case and no lower case. */ [04:20] if ((cp->capslock = caps_lock(logname))) { [04:20] for (bp = logname; *bp; bp++) [04:20] if (isupper(*bp)) [04:20] *bp = tolower(*bp); /* map name to lower case */ [04:20] } [04:20] you mean that code? [04:20] thom: thanks [04:21] sure === tritium [~rimbert@ee213-dhcp-4.ecn.purdue.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabdfl [~mark@host217-37-231-28.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === sivang is now known as sivang_livecd [04:22] lamont: ah, ok, that shows why i can log in....but it doesnt show why the uppercase mode was triggered... [04:22] ogra: yeah. not sure whether to blame getty or tty driver for that... [04:23] bah, locale settings is pretty weird I had to wait for about 20 locales to be generated, and after choosing hebrew as the language (which was alos nicely detected by the keyboard selector) I had a default desktop with hebrew only input [04:23] (that code was from getty, fwiw) [04:23] lamont: thanks :) [04:23] eh well, need to open a bug report [04:28] thom: do you have an ETA for ffox 1.0.1? and moz 1.7.6? [04:29] i'm gonna get 1.0.1 finished after lunch, then start on 1.7.6 [04:30] oh, cool [04:30] thom: so you don't wait for Debian? [04:30] thom: Eric said that he will package 1.0.1 soon, too [04:30] 1.0.1 is in debian [04:30] oh, even better [04:30] i don't really want to use it, but i will do to get the security bugs nailed === sivang_livecd is now known as sivang [04:34] mdz: the place where you've put the copying of debian-installer/keymap is pretty dodgy, and won't work when we move to debconf-copydb [04:34] mdz: (in casper) [04:34] Kamion: is initrd as of yesterday broken wrt choose-mirror and countryprefix? [04:34] mdz: it happens to work because the confmodule from before the pivot is still running, but couldn't the copy happen before chroot/pivot? === morgs [~morgan@wblv-146-234-173.telkomadsl.co.za] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [04:35] Mithrandir: hm, possibly :( I'll check [04:35] it seems to try to download http://${countryprefix}archive.ubuntu.com(null)/ubuntu, which doesn work. :P [04:35] that's supposed to have been SUBSTed [04:35] it's what it outputs on tty4 [04:36] (or tty3, not sure) [04:36] Mithrandir: I think I fixed that on Saturday; check the choose-mirror version in that initrd === Goshawk [~Goshawk@host144-106.pool8253.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:36] 1.06ubuntu5 [04:36] 1.06ubuntu6 was the fix [04:37] ok [04:37] I'll download a new initrd, then [04:37] elmo: can I please have dchroot warty access on concordia and davis? [04:43] is there someone that has 1 minute to try this script? http://81.113.230.186/kalatlug/Projects/usplash/test-script.sh [04:43] Kamion: same problem [04:43] Kamion: is there a workaround? [04:43] just one minute... -(you need hoary + xorg) === bluefoxicy [~bluefox@pcp484848pcs.whtmrs01.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:44] Goshawk: I did, shall I /msg you the output? or mail? [04:44] for me is the same [04:44] thanks [04:45] ok thanks [04:45] i've found the problem [04:45] thanks a lot! [04:45] http://rafb.net/paste/results/HXV38h96.html [04:45] Is this known [04:45] Goshawk: shall I try again? [04:45] pitti, thanks to you a usplash bug is solved [04:46] Goshawk: I'm honored, and I didn't even do anything :-) [04:46] ^__^ [04:46] Goshawk: interested in output from a amd64 widescreen laptop ? [04:46] yep [04:46] seb128: you around? [04:47] yep [04:47] seb128: did you fix the build-dep order for libhowl being dropped? [04:47] order ? [04:47] well sparc buildd is bitching a lot about it [04:47] yeah [04:47] Mithrandir: I just noticed the same thing. Please don't ask me for workarounds when I have no idea what the problem is yet. :) [04:48] fabbione: lamont knows about it [04:48] libgnome2-common installation is still hanging in apt [04:48] seb128 [04:48] seb128: he told me something about it [04:48] but i would like to hear from our gtk/gnome guru [04:49] ogra, thanks also to you [04:49] ^__^ [04:49] I've uploaded gnome-vfs2, libgnome, libbonoboui, libgnomeui, ... in the right order with space to build between them [04:49] fabbione: kicking again has worked fine on i386/ppc/amd64/ia64, dunno about sparc [04:49] seb128: yes, but sparc was lagging way behind for other reasons [04:49] so what is the correct thing to do? [04:50] Kamion: yes, I could move it to before the pivot [04:50] seb128: sparc buildd died 18 days ago :-) [04:50] Morning mdz [04:50] fabbione: find the /usr/lib/*.la with a mention to howl [04:50] ogra, pitti the problem was that the case value was too short for big values more that 1024x768, thanks [04:50] so it knowns nothing about it [04:50] hey mdz :-) === Kamion wonders why DEBCONF_DEBUG=20 isn't working, and tries booting the whole installer with DEBCONF_DEBUG=20 [04:50] fabbione: hey! [04:50] fabbione: how was your trip? [04:51] bet this'll be fast [04:51] seb128: ok... if i find something with it.. what should i do? [04:51] mdz: cool! [04:51] mdz: it is seriously worth all the money [04:51] mdz: hi, thanks for the nightly flowers :-D [04:51] galapagos > * [04:51] I have wanted to go there [04:51] mdz: after i will put the pics online, you will go there [04:51] mdz: at least we now can see how it looks like, from Fabio's photos :-) [04:51] fabbione: the order for the libs is: gnome-vfs2 libgnome libbonoboui libgnomeui [04:52] fabbione: you should build them in this order with the new version of the previous one to kick howl out of the .la files [04:52] seb128: hold on... [04:52] fabbione: if there is an issue with a package already built we can reupload or you can do a binary NMU ... [04:52] stat64("/usr/share/locale/en/LC_MESSAGES/dpkg.mo", 0xbffff698) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) [04:53] Hey seb128, thanks for applying the openbox patch [04:53] bluefoxicy: that's normal [04:53] theine: np :) [04:53] bluefoxicy: you have to install a language pack [04:53] so those are the only 4 packages affected by that problem? [04:53] pitti: i'm stracing dpkg to find out why it's hanging on gnome2-common and gnome2-vfs [04:53] fabbione: no, but after that kicking should be enough [04:53] seb128: argh.... [04:53] bluefoxicy: erm, is that the reason for the hang??? [04:53] pitti: apparently the only thing it's doing is repetedly iterating through all locales looking for dpkg.mo; nothing else is happening at all [04:54] fabbione: that's a real mess, thanks to libtool ... [04:54] however I'm guessing on faith that maybe the other processes forked and aren't straced? [04:54] seb128: the build-deps not getting updated mean that buildd's running through the whole lot at once hit b0rkage [04:54] bluefoxicy: it does these iterations for every string to be translated === jinty [~jinty@28.Red-83-44-82.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:54] lamont: that's bad [04:54] seb128: couldn't you build-conflict or something? [04:54] bluefoxicy: after preview I will probably upload a new libc which caches result [04:54] bluefoxicy: s [04:54] strace dpkg --configure -a 2>&1 | grep -v "locale" [04:55] fabbione, lamont: we could libgnomevfs2-dev conflicts on libhowl-dev ? [04:55] ok it's doing a brk() every few seconds, must be something else. [04:55] seb128: if that's enough, i don't see why not [04:55] fabbione: the current libgnomevfs2-dev .la file has a mention to howl on sparc ? [04:56] that'd fix the libgnomevfs2-dev build, but maybe not others? === lamont dunno [04:56] pitti: I just can't see acpid or gnome2-common flicking the disk light once every 10-15 seconds (I have mldonkey running, that's probably the disk access), and taking >5 minutes to install, maybe I'm just impatient? [04:57] dpkg -c libgnomevfs2-dev_2.9.91-0ubuntu1_sparc.deb | grep howl | wc -l [04:57] 0 [04:57] seb128: ^^ [04:57] bluefoxicy: hmm, no idea === bluefoxicy decides to leave Setting up libgnomevfs2-common (2.10.0-0ubuntu1) for about 15 minutes to confirm that this isn't just him being impatient; after all this is a 64 bit system, 15 minutes counts as several orders of magnitude of overkill ;) [04:57] fabbione: no, "grep howl /usr/lib/libgnomevfs-2.la" [04:58] ah hold on [04:58] (every time I run dpkg --configure -a it switches which is first, gnome2-common or libgnomevfs2-common) [04:58] grep howl /usr/lib/*.la [04:58] to have an idea on what you want to rebuild [04:58] ogra: ping [04:58] jdub: pong [04:58] Binary file libgnomevfs-2.a matches [04:58] libgnomevfs-2.la:dependency_libs= [04:59] seb128: so yes.. it doess [04:59] is there an email/post somewhere explaining why all the howl stuff is being removed? === fgx [~fgx@barlach.spin.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:59] ogra: did you have a new xss patch? [04:59] only the one you already have, i wanted to work on that during preview [04:59] fabbione: 2.9.92-0ubuntu1 ? [05:00] ok [05:00] seb128: that's the last one i have.. [05:00] thanks [05:00] fabbione, sei italiano? [05:00] seb128: as i wrote before the buildd died 18 days ago [05:00] mvo: could you validate the missing 'noauth' in peers/ppp0 [05:00] jdub: tell me if you need it earlier [05:00] Goshawk: yes i am italian [05:00] fabbione: you have started the buildd again now, 2.9.92-0ubuntu1 build is ok ? [05:00] doko: no, works for me :( [05:01] seb128: it's in the queue [05:01] start by it [05:01] seb128: i can build it manually if you want me [05:01] seb128: there are tons of other packages before it [05:01] that's the first to change [05:01] once you have change it other one will ftbfs if they are not built in the right order [05:01] ogra: would be nice to have it for preview, but that's ok [05:01] ups [05:02] once you have changed it, the other ones will ftbfs if they are not built in the right order [05:02] jdub: lets see how hwdb-client comes along, probably i can send you a last minute patch.... [05:02] ogra: hwdb-client is waaaaay more important :) [05:02] sure :) [05:02] seb128: ok thanks [05:02] waaaaay like curds and wheeeeeey [05:03] np [05:03] AHHHHHH [05:03] i know why the sparcbuildd died! === fabbione kicks sun's OBP! [05:03] fabbione: you didn't give him enough food for two weeks? :-) [05:03] bwahaha [05:04] pitti: ahaha === ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-169-124.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:04] ssh sparctamagochi -l buildd [05:04] ops [05:04] ;) [05:05] fabbione: sparc has a LOT of catching up to do [05:05] mdz: i know! [05:05] i am working on it [05:05] it died and i just understood wht [05:06] why === jinty [~jinty@20.Red-80-39-147.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:06] i forgot to set in the OBP: do not die if the serial machine connected on the other side does not responde = true [05:06] lamont: here? [05:07] it's still setting up libgnomevfs2-common [05:07] so yeah, I think it's broken. [05:07] it set up a few other packages. [05:08] seb128: i am going to build 2.10 directly.. 2.9.92 is already out of my cache/mirror [05:08] pitti: yes [05:08] k [05:08] start by gnome-vfs2 [05:08] libgnome [05:08] this is on x86 btw, I'm on an amd64 box but running a 32 bit system for some odd reason (I was using xen) [05:08] libbonoboui [05:08] libgnome [05:08] and be sure to have the new libgnomevfs2-dev with howl in the .la [05:08] isn't howl being removed? [05:09] s/with/without/ [05:09] k === pitti curses at perl's build system [05:13] anybody out there who ever built perl? === infinity raises his hand tentatively. [05:14] infinity: [05:14] autosplit_lib_modules(@ARGV)' lib/*.pm [05:14] Errno architecture (i386-linux-thread-multi-2.6.8.1) does not match executable architecture (i386-linux-thread-multi-2.6.10-4-k7) at /usr/lib/perl/5.8/Errno.pm line 11. [05:14] Compilation failed in require at lib/File/Path.pm line 166. [05:14] infinity: any idea? [05:15] infinity: this even happens in a clean pbuilder [05:15] No left over files from a previous build? [05:15] Dirty source package, maybe? [05:15] Otherwise, I'm as lost as you. That's a new one. [05:16] Time to get your grep on, I guess. [05:17] infinity: okay, thanks [05:17] infinity: yes, fresh source package [05:17] Tahnking people for not being helpful is a novel approach. :) [05:18] infinity: first, I directly applied my patch [05:18] infinity: he's just added you to the list of people to bully into doing security work [05:18] pitti: did you do the patch/unpatch dance? [05:18] infinity: then I even added it to debian/patches and patches-applied (strange build system9 [05:18] mdz: oh, that's new? [05:18] mdz: as I said, strange build system... [05:18] HAH [05:18] pitti: the last time I built perl, you had to do "debian/rules unpatch patch" to get everything into the right state [05:19] after adding a patch [05:19] mdz: now I tried to build the pristine source package from Debian [05:19] mdz: still the same bug === pitti cries [05:19] ick [05:19] mdz: I tried this on warty and hoary, on two computers [05:19] the kernel version number should NOT be in that string === __d4vid [~ehud@triforum.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:21] hmm [05:21] mizar:[/tmp] perl -MConfig -e 'print "$Config{'archname'}-$Config{'osvers'}\n";' [05:21] i386-linux-thread-multi-2.6.8.1 [05:21] pitti: where do you get i386-linux-thread-multi-2.6.10-4-k7? [05:22] is that from Errno.pm in the build tree? [05:23] mdz: it's not even in the source package [05:23] just Errno.t === pitti pinged bod in #d-devel [05:24] ah [05:24] ./ext/Errno/Errno_pm.PL [05:25] use Config; [05:25] use strict; [05:25] "\$Config{'archname'}-\$Config{'osvers'}" eq [05:25] "$Config{'archname'}-$Config{'osvers'}" or [05:25] die "Errno architecture ($Config{'archname'}-$Config{'osvers'}) does not match executable architecture (\$Config{'archname'}-\$Config{'osvers'})"; [05:25] seb128: have glibmm2.6.1 ready on http://ubuntu.gplan.info/mm [05:26] mdz: any plans to burn new livecd rootfs images in the next hour or so? [05:26] What the hell should this do? === dholbach [~daniel@td9091cae.pool.terralink.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:26] dholbach: k, thanks [05:26] seb128: cool === lamont decides that's a 'no' from mdz... :-) [05:27] jdub: see that post? inotify backend doesnt support poll atm [05:27] yeah [05:28] jdub: the code in gam_dnotify.c for poll is obvious [05:28] i wonder if copying it over helps [05:28] lamont: none [05:28] pitti: that's very weird === __d4vid [~ehud@triforum.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:30] mdz: hmm, I can just toss it at the hoary buildd and see what happens there, but actually this is not really a satisfying solution... [05:30] pitti: was bod able to help you? [05:30] mdz: he did not reply, he's probably asleep [05:31] hm right.. poll isnt called in functions that have counterparts in gam_inotify [05:31] mdz: last message from 6 hours ago [05:31] mdz: I think I defer this until tomorrow [05:31] jdub: would it be smart to maybe disable inotify backend for gamin? [05:31] or leave it since we have it off in the kernel [05:31] and we wont be getting beagle this time around [05:32] pitti : If it's still bugging you tomorrow and I;m around, delegate it my way. === infinity -> bed. [05:32] tseng: .since it seems to fall back gracefully, I think we should leave it enabled [05:32] infinity: okay, I'll do :-) Sleep well [05:32] it's possible that we'll enable inotify after preview, if the testing continues to go well [05:32] hmmmm [05:32] after a dist-upgrade my machine is turtle slow [05:33] mdz: well, my point is that that will cause what looks to the user like a regression in gamin [05:33] tseng: how so? [05:33] mdz: are you familiar with the bug where automounted devices arent shown in drivemount-applet or nautilus on mount? [05:34] it was solved by switching /media/* to use polling in gamin [05:34] which isnt supported by the inotify backend. [05:34] mdz: the "gamin doesn't fully implement inotify" bug is still relevant [05:35] so either we do something about that, or just stick with dnotify [05:35] right. [05:35] *sigh* dnotify sucks... [05:35] tseng: daniel is DV on #gnome-hackers (gimpnet) [05:35] ok [05:35] tseng: dunno where john hangs out, but would be very useful to get in touch with him [05:36] tseng: doing anything for hoary will be hacky [05:36] yes [05:36] but post-hoary, it needs refactoring so less stuff is dumped into the backends [05:37] i'm off... see you later [05:37] later dholbach [05:37] bye jdub [05:37] yep as I just posted with the current status of the server backends, its beyond my skills to produce a patch [05:38] if no one else is interested, its definately post-hoary.. but leaves the question of what to do with inotify === dholbach [~daniel@td9091cae.pool.terralink.de] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Verlassend"] === sivang amazes by the rate the new gnome is flowing in [05:39] tseng: current decision is to keep it in, but off by default [05:39] which is workable [05:39] it means rml will not mate with me [05:39] but there's always next year's season [05:39] because of this "issue" i'd have to suggest it stays off after preview [05:40] its not major or anything, but its a user visible regression [05:43] yeah === theine_ [~theine@83.72.197.119.ip.tele2adsl.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:47] seb128: ok i confirm that gnome-vfs2 2.10 does not have the howl stuff now (sparc) [05:47] seb128: the rest will just build in the right order [05:47] cool [05:47] seb128: or i will kick it back when needed [05:48] if it's not in the right order it'll ftbfs [05:48] need to kick [05:49] seb128: you rock [05:50] seb128: (and you are killing the buildds :-) ) [05:50] thanks :) [05:50] (he he) === OddAbe19 [~OddAbe19@pcp02542642pcs.lncstr01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jamin [~jamin@cust-24.241.99.54.cbnstl.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:56] mdz, can i talk with you in private [05:56] ? [05:57] Goshawk: about what? [05:57] usplash [05:57] usplash discussion is on-topic for this channel; I'd prefer to have the conversation here [05:57] ok [05:58] how do you say USplash has been officially deferred to the [05:58] next release (Ubuntu 5.10, due in October). if there is nothing about that? [05:58] i worked with sladen [05:58] I announced this in the release update, for which I provided a URL [05:58] and it is also noted on HoaryGoals [05:58] and there is not much more than a Proof of concept tarball [05:58] and sladen and I discussed it at FeatureFReeze [05:59] yes... but there is nothing.... [05:59] I don't understand your point [06:00] there is not "any" source code of that, only the work that i've done (tht you readed on the forum) [06:00] the fact that it hasn't been developed yet is the reason why it won't be part of the Hoary release [06:00] but... there is a but [06:01] there is an "alpha" for developers about a "usermode splash" i need the sladen agree to call it "usplash" [06:01] I am having difficulty understanding you === maskie [~maskie@196-30-109-167.uudial.uunet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:02] it sounds like you are saying that you have developed an implementation, and would like to call it usplash [06:02] yep... [06:02] were you aware of the Ubuntu project when you chose this name? [06:02] the thing that is developed works at 100% on my pc [06:03] it started on December.. in that period i was waiting the ubuntu sources of usplash from sladen, and when he said that nothing was deleped i started devloping this idea [06:03] but now it works away from the main idea [06:03] all the stuff is made by a single utility [06:04] where can I download it? [06:04] http://81.113.230.186/kalatlug/phpwiki/index.php/UsplashHowDoesItWork [06:04] but wait [06:04] i've solved a bug just now [06:04] and i'm compilig the alpha2 [06:04] if you want i can make a video of my boot process [06:05] in that page is written how it works [06:05] there is no source code there [06:05] and as you could say.. it differs from the main idea [06:05] there is the svn for sources [06:05] the server is linked at that page [06:05] svn co http://81.113.230.186/svn/bootsplash/v2 [06:06] the svn is already updated [06:06] mdz, the best news is that [06:06] pitti: perl builds fine for me on Hoary (no chroot, no pbuilder) [06:06] i treat fd0 as a file [06:06] mdz: *sigh* [06:06] mdz: thanks for trying, though [06:06] version 5.8.4-6 [06:06] not a mmaped memory (as the usplash proof of concept treats) [06:06] fd0? you mean fb0? === koke [~koke@rm-001-26.serve.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:07] yep,, excuse me [06:07] mdz: I tried -7 from incoming and -6ubuntu1 (with an extracted security patch) [06:07] heh, aww; I was hoping for boot symphony on 3.5" floppy [06:07] and.. there is a problem in the URL, it is : svn co http://81.113.230.186/svn/bootsplash/ [06:07] without the v2 [06:09] mdz, it will be not ready to work on hoary but we can develop it [06:10] Goshawk: yes, this looks very interesting. I am confused about what you were asking me originally, however [06:10] are you proposing that we use your work as the basis for the usplash feature in Ubuntu? [06:11] yes.. mainly that === Loevborg [~loevborg@d37-55.dip.isp-service.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:11] ok, that was a very strange way of asking :-) === sabdfl [~mark@host217-37-231-28.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:13] seb128: you superstar. wonderful to see 2.10 coming in. thank you! [06:13] Goshawk: could you send a message to the ubuntu-devel mailing list about this? [06:13] Goshawk, have you made a new version of it? I have some issues with the one i tried last time. It sort of works, but the graphics is strange.. its like it cant use that resolution or something. Its very hard for me to explain, I can sort of see a scrambled picture of the logo when it boots.. [06:13] sabdfl: thanks :) [06:13] sabdfl: good to have 128 Sebs to do uploads :-) [06:14] mdz, yep [06:14] seb128: just one comment, look at the intltool-update.in file in the gnome 2.10 tarballs [06:14] Goshawk: I won't have much time to look at this due to the Hoary release, but I would like to start a discussion about it for Hoary+1 [06:14] I've just looked at ftp.gnome.org's tarballs and they are "clean" [06:14] kent, yep.. a lot of "ubuntu" lines in black an white [06:15] breezy! [06:15] koke: ? [06:15] mdz, me too... the problem was about that msg taht you are reading === sabdfl [~mark@host217-37-231-28.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [06:15] koke: what do you call "clean" ? [06:15] ok [06:15] ? [06:15] waht are you trying to say ? [06:16] you are not clear [06:16] I've tested control-center and intltool-update looks for xgettext at /usr/bin [06:16] Goshawk: "something is moving in the underground" was not a very clear way to say "I have been working on an alternative implementation of usplash" :-) [06:16] whith, in example, apt-get source gnome-desktop in hoary [06:16] mdz, since for "something is moving underground" is not for hoary.. but usplash code [06:16] I get an intltool-update looking for gettext in /opt/gnome2 [06:16] nautilus-sendto in /mnt/data/gnome [06:16] ... [06:16] Goshawk: and the last message on that forum says "Unless you install a new kernel, or have to move, or there's a power outage, or you install new hardware, or..." [06:17] Goshawk: so you can understand my confusion, I think :-) [06:17] yep.. i'm confused as you ^__^ [06:17] thanks for all mdz [06:17] mdz: what will be the procedure for uploads after preview is out? [06:17] koke: [06:17] $ grep "/opt" gnome-desktop-2.10.0/intltool-update.in [06:17] $ [06:18] gonna open a ubuntu-devel topic [06:18] mm ok [06:18] heya [06:18] koke@ababol ~/Devel/ubuntu/gnome-desktop-2.10.0 $ grep xgettext intltool-update.in | head -1 [06:18] my $XGETTEXT = $ENV{"XGETTEXT"} || "/gnome/usr/bin/xgettext"; [06:18] Goshawk: great, thanks [06:19] my memory failed :D [06:19] Mithrandir: we'll reopen for general bugfixing initially, basically FeatureFreeze process [06:19] mdz: ok === sabdfl [~mark@host217-37-231-28.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:21] koke: http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/gnome-desktop/2.10/gnome-desktop-2.10.0.tar.bz2 [06:21] koke: my $XGETTEXT = $ENV{"XGETTEXT"} || "/gnome/usr/bin/xgettext"; [06:21] koke: how is the upstream tarball "clean" ? [06:22] ok, I haven't seen them all. [06:22] I've randomly chosen the bad from ubuntu and the good from gnome :( [06:22] you are trying to say than packages have issue ? or do you have issues with upstream tarballs ? [06:23] nop, it seems the problem is at upstream [06:23] k [06:25] Mithrandir: ok, I think I just suck, I was trying to SUBST into Default:, which debconf-devel(7) explicitly says won't work [06:26] elmo: are you around? when do you head home? [06:28] mdz: in about 4.5 hours [06:29] elmo: can you do some germinate/archive resync before then? === OddAbe19 is away: Gone... Like the French in a battle. === ogra [~ogra@pD95F8D55.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === koke [~koke@rm-001-26.serve.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === T-None is now known as T-Bone === theine_ [~theine@83.72.197.119.ip.tele2adsl.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jinty [~jinty@20.Red-80-39-147.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:48] mdz: updated sync.txt - did I miss approval for any on that list? === OddAbe19 [~OddAbe19@pcp02542642pcs.lncstr01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:49] elmo: dbus-qt-1-dev [06:49] ok, done too [06:50] it is possible that KDE 3.4 will require a few more [06:50] I'm trying to get a list from #kubuntu-devel now [06:50] mdz: moo [06:50] jordi: baaa [06:52] Kamion: sdf got demoted - if you care; sdf-doc is still seeded tho... [06:52] fabbione: you around? [06:54] pitti: did you and daniels resolve the german keymap issue? [06:54] mdz: not yet, I just sent him some debug output [06:54] it would be nice to be able to fix that for preview [06:54] pitti: done [06:54] elmo: thanks [06:54] mdz: indeed, it's pretty ugly for the live CD [06:55] elmo: not especially :) [06:55] elmo: what's pulling in hevea? it's not in Kamion's germinate output [06:55] sparc? [06:55] we could unseed sdf-doc [06:56] mdz: yapps2 b-d [06:56] can't see how that could be sparc [06:56] fabbione: has your buildd tried gmime2.1 yet? [06:57] hevea | hevea | yapps2 (Build-Depend) [06:57] yapps2 | yapps2 | keymapper (Build-Depend) [06:57] but the rdepends tree ends there [06:57] hmm, incomplete rdepends from germinate then [06:58] elmo: hevea can be promoted [06:58] it doesn't follow back through reverse build-deps, I'm not entirely sure why [06:58] it would be useful if it did [06:58] we already have the crazy ocaml stuff in main [06:59] mdz: I put my 'ALL' in the same dir, FWIW [06:59] thanks [06:59] and promoted hevea [06:59] Kamion: oh, that sucks. [06:59] Mithrandir: (I'm fixing it) [07:00] just attempting to test [07:00] promoting libkipi source as obvious [07:00] IMO libkipi0-dev would be too - i.e. we already have libkipi [07:00] pitti: do you have a moment to review t1utils? it seems to be another part of the hpoj build-depends mess [07:00] elmo: agreed [07:00] mdz: yes, I'll do that [07:01] done, updated sync.txt [07:03] elmo: python2.4-dictdlib is fine [07:03] mdz: looks fine to me (and, in fact, useful :-) ) [07:03] elmo: and t1utils (thanks, pitti) [07:04] mdz: btw, do you think we can keep polypaudio for Hoary? [07:04] pitti: it is working well for me, but jdub seems to feel that we should revert to esound === zul [~chuck@198.62.158.205] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:05] mdz: hmm, a pity, I spent over 4 hours to get it fixed :-/ [07:05] didn't jdub say that before it got fixed? [07:05] yes [07:05] but I don't know his opinion now [07:06] it's now working fine both on my i386 and my ppc [07:06] i think there was no clear statement after the fix from him === pitti -> food [07:09] mdz: both done === T-Bone is now known as T-Gone === zbowling [~zbowling@adsl-68-95-185-18.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:14] Kamion: he was saying that as recently as yesterday [07:14] pitti: can you review sqlite3 for kubuntu? === fwiffo [~jep@cpe.atm2-0-1101155.0x503f8eca.bynxx8.customer.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:16] elmo: if scribus doesn't depend on sqlite3, it can go in as well [07:16] doesn't look like it does === theine_ [~theine@83.72.197.119.ip.tele2adsl.dk] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [07:17] seb128: wow, lots of good stuff for totem === trukulo [~trukulo@62.57.69.176] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:17] has seb set a record yet for most consecutive uploads? [07:18] mdz: yep === dholbach [~daniel@td9091cae.pool.terralink.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:19] mdz: looking for input on #6232 (installing postfix won't add an alias for root to an existing /etc/aliases) [07:19] mdz: this one is impressive too: http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/gst-plugins/0.8/gst-plugins-0.8.8.news [07:19] mdz: done === rubenv [~lambda1@kotnet-148.kulnet.kuleuven.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:20] ogra, you there? [07:20] yup [07:21] nothing, i was going to tell you about uploading clearworks engine gtk2 to hoary... but it's uploaded :) [07:21] forget it === lamont wonders if postfix's postinst should treat the absense of a root alias in /etc/aliases as sufficient cause for it to install one (if alias_database == hash:/etc/aliases, that is...) [07:24] pitti: DUDE [07:24] why are you rebuilding stuff that's in freaking universe? [07:24] lamont: possibly on initial install, not on upgrades. [07:25] Mithrandir: right [07:26] lamont: the right solution is of course to have an /etc/aliases.d directory which is used to generate /var/lib/aliases.db which is used by different mailers. [07:26] and stuff in /etc/aliases.d be conffiles) [07:26] s/\)// === lamont vomits on Mithrandir's keyboard [07:27] it's a file with a fixed format, and a long history... [07:27] lamont: seriously, how would you else do it? [07:27] does gnome-volume-control not work for anyone else on ppc? [07:27] lamont: how do you handle the case of an user changing from exim4 to postfix and having removed the root alias from /etc/aliases? [07:28] wait, nevermind... it's now working [07:28] Mithrandir: well, the issue is that root shouldn't go to it's own mailbox, since no sane individual actually runs an MUA as root.... [07:28] that and postfix delivers root mail as nobody [07:28] ping Mithrandir [07:28] mvo: no need to ping me when I'm active in the channel :) [07:29] Mithrandir: sorry, it was this stupid xchat completion [07:29] Mitario: ping [07:29] lamont: imagine /root/.forward or using procmail to do Stuff to root's mail. [07:29] Mithrandir: see :) it just _always_ get's the nicks wrong :) [07:29] mdz: it only got fixed this morning though :) [07:30] mvo: it's allowed to actually _read_ what you're typing. :) [07:30] Mithrandir: right. and postfix will happy toss root's mail to procmail. with an euid=ruid=nobody [07:31] that can be fine to do. [07:32] lamont: if you modify files in /etc you might very easily be overwriting local changes. That's bad. [07:32] ah, so you're saying that if ~root/.forward exists, then it shouldn't create the alias either? [07:33] I'm just saying that's a possible use case and there's no real way to do what you want to do without using a directory which is aggregated. [07:33] no matter whether it's ugly or not [07:33] Mithrandir: heh :) sometimes I type faster than I think (well, actually most of the time ;) [07:36] ogra, new graveman doesn't discover devices [07:36] hmm, it does here [07:37] ogra, it doesn't if device is mounted [07:37] if not, works well [07:37] oh [07:37] interesting [07:37] problems with hal, it seems [07:37] trukulo, do you know if he switched to hal [07:38] i don't think so , because in debian we don't use it [07:38] i suggested that to him and he said hw would try.... [07:39] trukulo: how does n-c-b work then in debian ? afaik it uses hal the same way [07:39] ogra, if it's installed yes [07:39] seb128: wow, that's great too === nasdaq|away [~sdfsdfs@tkp-ip-nas-1-p182.telkom-ipnet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:39] but you can use gnome without hal [07:39] the gstreamer and totem guys have been busy [07:40] trukulo: i mustadmint that i didnt try the detection with a mountd disc.... [07:40] ogra, i did unconsciently, you know [07:40] and i see the problem === mvo needs to leave for ~1,5h [07:42] Mithrandir: ok, choose-mirror 1.06ubuntu7 really fixes it [07:43] Kamion: cool, thanks. We worked around it, though. [07:44] Mithrandir: I'm guessing preseeding mirror/http/mirror and mirror/http/directory would have worked around it [07:44] possibly, yes [07:45] fabbione, are you there? how can i upgrade from linux-2.6.10-X to last version? [07:45] i mean, 2.6.10-25 [07:46] trukulo: the same way you did up till now :-) [07:47] Kamion: are you feeling pretty confident about the base-installer kernel stuff now? [07:47] elmo: I'm back, what's wrong? [07:47] fabbione, aptitude dist-upgrade ? [07:47] pitti: muine is in your list of "things with which to make mirrors regret having ever heard of Ubuntu" and it's not in main [07:48] elmo: it's huge, uploaded often and universe? [07:48] elmo: you mean in http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/unstripped-hoary-main.txt ? It's not there [07:48] fabbione, forget it, i'll read on google [07:48] finally, the gst-plugins and totem releases we've been waiting for! [07:48] hooray for upstream! [07:49] hooray for seb! [07:49] but mostly hooray for seb ;) [07:49] pitti: lamont pointed me at http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/hoary-main-gettext.txt [07:49] yay+ [07:49] elmo: kubuntu is going to need at least one new package in main (not in Ubuntu at all yet) === froud is now known as froud-away [07:50] elmo: ah, for this one; hmm, no idea how it got there... === vijub_ [~vijub@61.2.36.4] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:50] pitti: sqlite3 seems fairly sane; do you agree? [07:51] mdz: was at dinner, just returned. I take a look now [07:51] pitti: thanks === OddAbe19 is away: Gone... Like the French in a battle. [07:51] pitti: tomboy too [07:51] elmo: I will update the list ASAP [07:52] pitti: in the mean time, I've installed the build-depends in both i386 and amd64 chroots on concordia [07:52] elmo: cool, thanks [07:53] elmo: including pkgstriptranslations? [07:53] mdz: need as in need before I fly or ? [07:53] elmo: I can install this locally if necessary [07:53] seb128: uploaded libglademm2.4 (http://ubuntu.gplan.info/mm) === doko [~doko___@dsl-084-059-013-034.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:53] dholbach: k === wasabi_ [~wasabi@207.55.180.100] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:54] fabbione: ping [07:54] elmo: if at all possible [07:54] pitti: installed [07:54] mxpxpod: pong [07:54] fabbione: back from the honeymoon? [07:54] elmo: can you please enable it in /etc/pkgstriptranslations.conf? [07:55] uh [07:55] what's that do? [07:55] mxpxpod: yes :-( [07:55] elmo: if you don't want to do this, then I install pkgstriptranslations in my $HOME/Bin [07:55] fabbione: how was it? [07:56] elmo: it was decided to disable it by default, so that users don't mess up their builds if they accidentially install it [07:56] elmo: I think $HOME/bin is actually a good idea, then other folks can still use the dchroots for their purposes [07:56] mxpxpod: great, thanks [07:57] wb fabbione [07:57] fabbione: how long will it be until we get 2.6.11 into universe (not the -rc's) [07:58] mxpxpod: a few days.. i need to catch up on a lot of things and .11 is not high priority [07:58] fabbione: that's cool... just wanted an eta [07:58] but i will try my best :-) [07:58] I'd like to try out .11 asap because of the ppc changes === vijub_ [~vijub@61.2.36.4] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [07:58] mdz: sqlite3 is thumbs up (debs and packaging) [07:58] fabbione: awesome... btw, congrats on the marriage [07:58] mxpxpod: most of the ppc changes have been backported to .10 afaics [07:58] pitti: thanks [07:58] mxpxpod: eheh thanks [07:59] fabbione: yeah, I've tried the 2.6.10 changes (and the 2.6.10 ubuntu kernel) and it freezes [07:59] mxpxpod: did you report the problem? [07:59] fabbione: nah, didn't have a connection at the time [08:00] well.. now you do :-) [08:00] please report it in details [08:00] fabbione: I have to get back to work in a minute [08:00] fabbione: I'll do it after work [08:00] ok [08:00] fabbione: what do you mean by, "in details" [08:00] with all possible details [08:00] dmesg [08:00] logs [08:01] I don't know many details except that it froze on wakeup [08:01] elmo: now it's urgent, please sync libassuan-dev asap [08:01] is it reproducible? [08:01] or it happened only once... [08:01] and so on... [08:01] fabbione: yeah, it did it twice === T-Gone is now known as T-Bone [08:01] amu: source pkg names for sync requests, pls [08:01] fabbione: ok, will do [08:01] mdz: can I upload to fix that mdadm fail message? [08:02] fabbione: time to get back to work :) [08:02] mdz: I've tested my base-installer changes of today and I'm pretty sure they're right [08:02] Kamion: yes [08:02] elmo: libassuan [08:04] [Updating] libassuan (0.6.8-1 [ubuntu] < 0.6.9-2 [debian] ) [08:04] this is presumably going to main if it's needed for kubuntu ... ? [08:04] if so, new upstream version okay, mdz? [08:04] it's in universe presently [08:05] so yes, fine [08:05] elmo: this is one of the packages which will need to move into main when 3.4 is uploaded, as I understand it === elmo makes note in file "how to bypass UVF 101" [08:06] elmo: please move GNOME to universe, kthxbye [08:06] Kamion: done [08:06] Kamion, heh === dholbach helps out seb128 before GNOME gets moved back to main. ;-) [08:06] that'll be my contribution to tonight's mirror hit [08:07] Kamion: hehe === T-Bone [varenet@freebz.slashdirt.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:14] tseng: record> I think doko's probably still out in front with one of his zope or python upload extravaganzas [08:14] heh, i forgot about those [08:15] the last of those was 26 consecutive [08:16] seb's managed more consecutive uploads than this before, though :) [08:17] 48 From: Matthias Klose [08:18] after some auto-merges from Scott and another few entries by doko, seb's next with 18 [08:19] at least in the hoary cycle [08:19] heh, I win :p [08:22] Keybuk: you've not *done* any of those uploads, though [08:23] doko? [08:23] right food time [08:23] l8r [08:25] Mithrandir: I'm working on automating these ... === joaocruz [~joao@ip68-0-220-224.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:26] doko: ia32-libs on ia64 needs to provide libgcc1 for ia32-libs-openoffice.org, but the latter has a versioned dependency. Any thoughts? === joaocruz [~joao@ip68-0-220-224.ri.ri.cox.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [08:28] elmo, has my email address been added to the white-list for uploads, and has my GPG key been added to the keyring? [08:29] are we going to pick up the memory optimization patches after preview? [08:29] for gnome that is [08:29] Mithrandir: hmm, not really ... maybe I'll build a cross compiler for hoary+1, just building the 32 bit libgcc1 ... [08:31] doko: I'm hoping to have some multiarch stuff in hoary+1 which should be enough for that. [08:32] elmo: could you please sync gtranslator from sid, if you find the time? === r0ver [~rover@22-246-114-200.fibertel.com.ar] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jlj [~agp@host-81-191-64-79.bluecom.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jamin [~jamin@cust-24.241.99.54.cbnstl.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:37] mdz: ok to upload gsfonts to fix #3138 (bold Nimbus Roman font isn't displayed) [08:37] ? [08:37] doko: ooh, yes please [08:39] doko: lovely! [08:41] long search, small fix [08:41] mdz: ok to upload firefox 1.0.1? (security fixes, etc) [08:41] thom: yes! go! go! go! :-) [08:41] thom: ++ [08:41] thom: hmmm [08:41] I'm not sure that's wise for preview [08:42] pleeeeease :-) [08:42] 1.0.1-1ubuntu2reverted-to-1.0.0 ... :-) === thom smacks pitti :-) [08:42] hehe [08:42] it's certainly fine for final, I'm just unsure about preview [08:43] we have only two days to sort out any issues === T-Bone eagerly awaits the ia32-libs stuff to mark ooffice as "we have it" on ia64, and see if that also fixes the firefox locales issue [08:43] thom: what's your risk assessment? [08:43] doko: do you have any good ideas on how to solve the problem for ia64 for hoary? [08:44] I have one idea, which is to have ia32-libs generate an lib32gcc1 package.. but that's _ugly_ [08:44] thom: can you mail me a debdiff? [08:44] mdz: the debdiff is *big* [08:44] thom: if your response is "omfg no, it's 50 megs"... [08:45] then that's an indication that maybe we should be cautious with it :-) [08:45] mdz: because a tonne of patches have gone from me cherry picking to upstream [08:45] oh, real debdiff sorry [08:45] hang on === OddAbe19 [~OddAbe19@pcp02542642pcs.lncstr01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:47] mdz: okay for you to upload a lesstif1-1 security fix? I'm asking because the fix for CAN-2004-0914 is very big [08:47] mdz: however, it is well tested from Warty and X.org [08:48] pitti: how severe is the vulnerability? [08:49] mdz: the usual thing, buffer overflow with malicious xpm files; no server applications using it, though (-> no priv escalation) [08:49] mithrandir: let me build a cross compiler, and see, how the cross compiled libgcc 1 is looking [08:50] lesstif just got demoted [08:50] doko: ok [08:50] I think [08:50] elmo: lesstif1 (thaaaaaaanks!!!), but not lesstif2 [08:50] I was just about to say [08:50] what is it doing in main? [08:50] sweet mother of god. debdiff is trying to extract 2 firefox sourcetrees into /tmp [08:50] so yes, go ahead === thom changes his TMPDIR [08:50] mdz: the fixes affect lesstif2, too [08:51] mdz: I don't understand why we put lesstif1 into main for warty, too; now it's causing me headaches :-/ [08:52] mdz: I'll plan on uploading 6232 after the preview, unless you want it before [08:52] pitti: could i delay kdegraphics (xpdf) a bit? is it urgent? is tomorrow fine for you? [08:53] vim?? [08:53] amu: depends on whether mdz wants it for the preview [08:53] amu: I can look at it [08:53] (that's why we have lesstif apparently) [08:53] that and xpdf [08:54] pitti, amu: what is the question? [08:54] elmo: vim does not need lesstif1, neither does xpdf (that uses lesstif2) [08:54] elmo: hmm, so when we move to gpdf, we can get rid of it [08:54] pitti: he was talking about lesstif2 [08:55] it would be nice to demote lesstif2 to universe too :-) [08:55] right :-) [08:55] still, why vim? === dholbach creates MOTUGhostTrain [08:56] vim-lesstif [08:56] for the ugliest editor possible [08:56] ah, build dependency [08:56] vim-will-build-frontend-for-food [08:56] D'oh [08:57] mdz: 416 files changed, 5298 insertions(+), 3016 deletions(-) [08:58] uh [08:58] mdz: I'm sure that we can drop vim-lesstif for hoary+1 :-) [08:58] fabbione: around? === bluefoxicy tries to get vim highlighting like it did in gentoo [08:58] lamont: yes [08:58] dholbach: ghost train? === pitti hands bluefoxicy a neat .vimrc [08:58] is the sparc wanna-build --list=all output wgetable somewhere? [08:58] bluefoxicy: what's wrong with the Ubuntu version? [08:58] hrm.. I suppose I could just login and check,..... [08:58] pitti: there are patches to make cupsys and g-c-l use dbus and listen for printer hotplug events, what do you think about including them to make new printers automatically appear (_local_ ones) when plugged into the computer? [08:59] lamont: no, but i can make it so in a sec :-) [08:59] pitti: in Gentoo, vim comes with something that makes everything colorful [08:59] thom: gzip+mail? [08:59] bluefoxicy: Ubuntu has that, too [08:59] like if you edit a .c file, comments are dark blue, if statements and variable types are green, etc. [08:59] bluefoxicy: :syntax enable [08:59] mdz: yup, doing so now [08:59] ajmitch: because of " it would be nice to demote lesstif2 to universe too :-)" [08:59] pitti: Oh, it's in there but not on by default [08:59] lamont: do you need it constantly updated? === bluefoxicy was looking for the package to install [09:00] dholbach: ok, I must be missing some reference or something :) [09:00] nah [09:00] ok [09:00] actually just want to know if gmime2.1 built [09:00] pitti: thanks, added it to my .exrc [09:00] lamont: bbl.. dinner is ready === rcliii [~rcliii@byu176783wks.rn.byu.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:01] mdz: lesstif successfully built, tested and ready to upload. now or after preview? [09:01] bah. mono [09:02] now I'm going to have to actually _figure_out_ what changed and such. :-( [09:02] whats up lamont [09:02] pitti: if you test xpdf first, yes [09:02] mdz: already tested :-) [09:02] ok === trukulo [~trukulo@62.57.69.176] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:03] one question: warty is iso-code-based and hoary utf8, isn't it? [09:03] mdz: the docshell changes are the fix for the window injection vuln and that's the biggest change [09:03] that's simplistic. You can use UTF-8 in Warty. [09:04] Warty's default for most languages is non-UTF-8, and Hoary's default is UTF-8. === zenrox [~zenrox@wbar7.sea-4-12-028-223.dsl-verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pippo [~fabio@host193-45.pool62211.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:05] tseng: was looking at a bug that involved sparc and gmime2.1 (but not a gmime2.1 bug) [09:05] gmime2.1 is currently ftbfs on hoary/sparc because mono-utils is missing. [09:05] ah [09:05] so I get to go really look at what's going on. [09:05] window injection doesn't scare me much [09:05] so much for the trivial 'doesn't apply to hoary' check [09:05] firefox churn before preview scares me more :-) [09:05] heh, fair enough [09:06] i'll hold it and mozilla till thursday then [09:06] mdz: you're only saying that because of the firefox/warty cluster. === stuNNed_ [~stuNNed@adsl-068-209-149-165.sip.msy.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:07] Kamion, yes, i ask 'by default' [09:08] will be any script that automatically change iso codes from warty to hoary when it's released? [09:08] i mean, not having to do by hand 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales' === OddAbe19 [~OddAbe19@pcp02542642pcs.lncstr01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:10] lamont: fool me once, shame on you... === thesaltydog [~fabio@host193-45.pool62211.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:11] mds: "fool me 27 times....." [09:11] md "rigid and boring" z === lamont misses 3rd rock [09:12] mdz: *giggle* at zsh advocacy in the bash completion thread === stuNNed__ [~stuNNed@adsl-068-209-149-165.sip.msy.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:12] lamont: heh, you betcha :) [09:12] thom: do you think it's doable to have auto-torrent-love starting with preview? [09:12] and does tty* can use utf8 ? [09:13] thom: how badly does it screw downloaders when the tracker gets restarted? [09:13] mdz: hardly at all, they just reconnect [09:14] mdz: i'm gonna take a hammer to it tomorrow and make sure it works [09:14] great, thanks === defnop [~defnop@dD5769DD4.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:15] I expect that we'll be asking a lot of users to download the dailies following preview to test fixes; it'd be good to have torrents for them [09:16] sure [09:18] ipw2200 module is quite outdated [09:18] lot's of fixes [09:18] ubuntu version is 0.19, latest release is 1.0.1 [09:18] yes we know [09:18] any plans about bumping the version? [09:19] yes after hoary is released [09:19] :/ [09:19] well, okay === trukulo [~trukulo@62.57.69.176] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:20] LBM: 0.19 was current at the time our freeze began [09:20] mdz: when did you freeze? [09:20] LBM: early January === kent [~kent@c83-249-61-222.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:20] 0.19 released December 20th [09:20] mdz: i see, a shame [09:21] lot's of resume related bugs fixed, right now === stuNNed [~stuNNed@adsl-068-209-149-165.sip.msy.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:21] 0.19 works pretty well for me, though it does occasionally get confused and log errors [09:21] right now it's quite sensitive [09:21] it's up to the kernel team whether they feel it would be safe to update it before the hoary release [09:22] though we definitely won't be changing it for the preview release [09:22] would be great [09:22] i suppose we could have a look, but it will require testing [09:22] *thorough* testing, that is [09:23] i'm ready to help you out [09:23] that's good news [09:23] hand me some debs ;9 [09:23] heh. As mdz pointed out, you'll have to wait post preview freeze [09:23] that is, nothing before next week [09:23] sounds great [09:24] and netapplet, any plans on that one? [09:25] netapplet was a target for Hoary, but it just isn't ready [09:25] post-Hoary we'll probably go for NetworkManager [09:25] meanwhile, netapplet is available in universe === sabdfl [~mark@host217-37-231-28.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lamont scratches his head at 6213.. damnedest fix I've ever seen [09:27] i noticed that, yes === goedson [~goedson@201.19.148.148] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:35] lamont: http://www.fabbione.net/sparc-list [09:36] lamont: what was the fix? === arsre [sdfsdf@CPE000cf190b8e0-CM014080218964.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:36] -Files: /usr/share/doc/libxslt1-dev/html/*.html [09:36] -Files: /usr/share/doc/libxslt1-dev/EXSLT/*.html [09:36] -Files: /usr/share/doc/libxslt1-dev/EXSLT/html/*.html [09:36] -Files: /usr/share/doc/libxslt1-dev/tutorial*/*.html [09:36] + /usr/share/doc/libxslt1-dev/html/*.html [09:36] + /usr/share/doc/libxslt1-dev/EXSLT/*.html [09:37] + /usr/share/doc/libxslt1-dev/EXSLT/html/*.html [09:37] + /usr/share/doc/libxslt1-dev/tutorial*/*.html [09:37] which is to say, fix the input data instead of the actual segv-causing-source [09:39] meh === mvo [~egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:43] hey mvo [09:43] hey sivang === HiddenWolf [~hidde@136.15.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:44] wb mvo === goedson [~goedson@201.19.148.148] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stuNNed_ [~stuNNed@adsl-068-209-149-165.sip.msy.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hsprang [~henning@c223084.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === siretart [siretart@tauware.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === judith_ [~judith@CPE0011095f2041-CM00e06f240dd8.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Alessio [~Alessio@host113-4.pool8251.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:55] thom: exactly === judith_ [~judith@CPE0011095f2041-CM00e06f240dd8.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === mdke [~mdke@mdke.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel === HWolf [~hidde@136.15.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdke_ [~mdke@81-178-126-116.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdke [~mdke@mdke.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel === remi` [~remi@carnot-1-81-57-12-51.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:10] abrelli: depends what for, Xen, UML, vserver have an overlapping feature set in someways, but shine in certain circumstances === markoni [marko_tasi@P1-235-20020.dialup.ns.ac.yu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === siretart [siretart@tauware.de] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [10:12] later off to shovel snow whoope.. === markoni [marko_tasi@P1-235-20020.dialup.ns.ac.yu] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === lamont prepares to go fetch kidlets === Goshawk [~Goshawk@host144-106.pool8253.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:21] pitti: around ? [10:21] seb128: yes === dholbach hands seb128 an energy drink [10:21] could you kick new language-packs ? [10:22] seb128: I can, when is your upload rave finished= [10:22] s/=/?/ [10:23] should be fine for today, that's why I'm asking [10:23] seb128: I mean, the packages must be finished building [10:23] I would like to take screenshot for the 2.10 french announce [10:23] and I need working translations :p [10:23] seb128: okay, this will certainly require some domain overrides [10:23] seb128: and some packages produce more than one domain, I have to pick there [10:23] seb128: are there still unbuilt packages? [10:23] what do you call "domain" ? [10:24] seb128: translation domain === T-Bone will have a new efibootmgr to upload post-preview freeze [10:24] apt-get wants to downgrade gnome-system-monitor gpdf libglademm-2.4-1 libgtop2-5 libgtop2-dev [10:24] seb128: /usr/share/locale//LC_MESSAGES/.mo [10:24] do I guess these ones for today, but that's good enough [10:24] oh, k [10:24] like gtk ? :) [10:24] seb128: yes, gtk is the most prominent example [10:25] so you just drop one of the domains ? [10:25] ye [10:25] s [10:25] urg [10:25] seb128: sorry :-( [10:25] bah, probably not a big deal, but still ugly :) [10:25] seb128: but I'm barely awake enough to kick new langpacks, I can't rewrite the scripts today any more [10:25] apps have one domain so that's mostly fine [10:26] pitti: don't bother, update them tomorrow, take some sleep now if you want [10:26] I can take the screenshots tomorrow [10:27] seb128: I start now, but will probably finish tomorrow [10:27] k, thanks [10:29] seb128: lots of nice traffic on hoary changes today, thanks.... :) [10:29] thank you :) [10:30] iz gnome build bot [10:30] yay [10:30] seb128: screenshots? [10:30] seb128: ah, just read the backlog :) [10:30] sivang: of what ? [10:30] k [10:30] seb128: people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/translations/20050307 -> lots of stuff :-) [10:30] sivang: nah, its rather a daemon [10:30] ogra: what? [10:31] pitti: yeah, pretty nice packaging day :) [10:31] sivang, gnome build bot :) [10:31] ogra: ah hehe [10:31] seb128: you make our internet connections hurt today :) [10:32] sivang, you know, it runs in the background and suddenly throws a hell of a lot of packages at you === lamont bbl [10:32] ajmitch: ah ah [10:32] sivang, and its really mature (v128 already) [10:33] seb128: btw, finished 2.10 ? [10:33] nop [10:33] seb128: ah ok, but was a bug bunch today :) [10:33] s/bug/big/ [10:34] yeah [10:34] tomorrow probably all the ximian stuff === GheRivero [~ghe@81.172.88.170] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:35] ximian stuff? [10:35] seb128: all I can say, thank you for turning apt into my cvs frontend :) [10:36] ;) [10:43] tomorrow daf will take us to belfast [10:43] OH YEAH [10:43] Picadilly line, all the way to the Catholic area. [10:44] lamont: mdz says I can ask you to add a dep-wait for me. Amarok needs to dep-wait on kdebase 4:3.4.0-0pre1ubuntu2 === x4m [~max@168.159-200-80.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:45] mdz: the perl failure is new to 5.8.4-7, bod experienced it, too [10:45] jordi: what are you doing in belfast? [10:45] Riddell: I'm in London with the Rosetta dudes. But we'll take the tube to Belfast tomorrow. [10:46] jordi: tube to belfast eh? that must be a new line on the underground === ajmitch__ [~ajmitch@port164-182.ubs.maxnet.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:46] Riddell: yeah dude! it's so great [10:47] the other end takes you to Manchester, but I have no more time for Manchester (or liverpool) [10:47] jordi: but what's the crack in Belfast? Going to add Ulster Scots? === HcE [egtvedt@tux.samfundet.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:48] Riddell: there's lots of police there [10:48] jordi: well just don't take a black taxi, they're dodgey as anything [10:49] wow [10:49] i read about the new release of gstreamer plugins _after_ i already had them [10:54] mplayer is in universe/multiverse now right? it is better to use the ubuntu version than the marillat ones? [10:54] ubuntu is synced from marillat iirc [10:55] mdke, depend if you want things like w32codecs or dvdcss [10:55] just mplayer pls [10:55] tseng, with support for w32codecs too ? === jbailey [~jbailey@206.108.148.138] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:55] i'm trying to make some sense of the restricted formats wiki [10:55] well, mplayer supports w32codecs as soon as you add them [10:55] they just arent in ubuntu [10:55] ah, ok === sabdfl [~mark@host217-37-231-28.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:56] xine can use them also [10:56] tseng, so mplayer-*-ubuntu* will work with w32codecs? [10:56] so you can add it from marillat repository [10:56] its not necessary to have mplayer-*-woody from marillat? [10:56] mdke: yes, the w32codecs just plonk windows files in s directory which mplayer reads [10:56] there's no actual libraries or anything [10:57] HrdwrBoB, ok thanks. [10:57] one more thing [10:57] is it better to use the ubuntu mplayer build or the marillat/woody one? [10:57] not sure tbh === seb128 [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-29-88.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:57] if you're using the marillat repository anyway [10:58] haggai: note that pre1ubuntu1 was ftbfs... [10:58] put them both in [10:58] and just get whatever comes in first :) [10:58] lamont: I just uploaded 2 [10:58] and amarok is currently building a place or 2 - I'll have to d-w it after it finishes failing... [10:58] but will do so [10:58] (bear in mind that the defaults for marillat are somewhat braindead and default to using 'x11' rather than xv or sdl [10:58] lamont: thanks [10:58] HrdwrBoB, hmm [10:58] right now, I need to be not here... back in about 90 min or so === thierry [~t@modemcable026.12-202-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:00] anyone else have an opinion on the mplayer-marillat / mplayer-ubuntu build difference? [11:01] we've gave you several I believe [11:01] *given === joaocruz [~joao@ip68-0-220-224.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === joaocruz [~joao@ip68-0-220-224.ri.ri.cox.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [11:02] erm [11:03] btw, this isnt a support channel. this question would be better asked on #ubuntu in the future please [11:03] i'm not asking for support [11:03] but i hear and obey === psy_ [~psy@a80-126-83-214.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:04] hi [11:05] seb128: d'oh, many packages don't have a pot file === apokryphos [~francis@host-84-9-33-174.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:08] pitti: do you need it ? [11:08] seb128: I use it as a heuristic to find out the translation domain [11:08] seb128: now I have to alter my scripts [11:09] bah, do that tomorrow === BlackHussar [~chatzilla@corp.stamps.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:09] I don't want to bother you [11:09] seb128: I have to do that anyway === thierry [~t@modemcable026.12-202-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdke [~mdke@mdke.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [~carlos@george.kkhotels.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:16] i'm off to bed [11:16] good night everyone [11:17] night dholbach [11:17] bye pitti === dholbach [~daniel@td9091cae.pool.terralink.de] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Verlassend"] === psy__ [~psy@a80-126-83-214.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jlj [~agp@host-81-191-64-79.bluecom.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lupusBE [~lupus@dD5E03F2C.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo goes to bed now too [11:26] lamont: is it possible that some buildds still have the old pkgstriptranslations? I still have some broken tarballs without mo files [11:26] mvo: night [11:26] pitti: good night [11:28] T-Bone: ping? === boglot [~logbot@gw.workaround.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:33] pitti: adare had 8 [11:33] fixed [11:33] lamont: ah, that explains it, thanks [11:34] lesstif1-1 doesn't like you, but I assume you know that (ubuntu1.2, that is) [11:34] lamont: any build issue with 2.10 packages ? [11:35] seb128: the only logfiles I currently have in =buildd/main are from a package of pitti's/ [11:35] jbailey: pong [11:35] jbailey: sorry, was watching some Anime again :) [11:36] T-Bone: Lol, what? You're not just sitting around waiting for me to talk to you? For shame! ;) [11:36] jbailey: damn you ;) [11:36] lamont: nice :) [11:36] jbailey: otoh I'm improving my anime knowledge database for you :) [11:36] so popcon.ubuntu.com is the real location, yes? [11:37] Hello. Is #ubuntu-meeting free next thursday from 17.00 to 18.00 UTC? [11:37] thom: you around? [11:38] seb128: still here? [11:40] pitti: yep probably 2 hours before sleeping [11:41] seb128: do you still have a gnome-themes build tree? can you please check that the translation domain is indeed "gnome-themes"? [11:41] seb128: that's one of the packages with a broken translation tarball [11:42] pitti: gnome-themes.mo [11:43] seb128: thanks [11:43] np [11:43] hum [11:44] do we have a build chain change ? [11:44] enrico: MOTU uses it monthly on thursdays at this time but the next MOTU meeting is on march 31, so i would assume yes.... [11:44] wnck has jus dropped a list of internal symboles with no reason [11:44] ogra: ok. Then the Docteam 0WNZ it === ogra thinks we should have a schedule for #ubuntu-meeting [11:44] no code change with the previous upload [11:44] if it's busy, then we take the room in the front [11:44] heh [11:45] lamont: ? [11:45] enrico: i just thought we could have a testcase for the new hula-server package thats about to enter universe :) === psy_ [~psy@a80-126-83-214.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:46] hula-server? [11:46] yup, herzi packaged it [11:46] ogra: does it have something to do with those large rings one spins around their body? [11:47] lamont: sortakinda [11:47] seb128: buildd auto upgrades every night [11:47] enrico: lol, probably.... i didnt choose the name... http://www.hula-project.org/Hula_Server [11:47] but it shouldn't drop things unless someone turned on --as-needed or something silly like that... [11:48] ogra: I like the description! [11:48] thom: popcon.ubuntu.com, with it's 5 submissions, is the real location? [11:48] real location, need to fix the server [11:48] prolly tomorrow [11:49] enrico: yep and you can test it soon :) [11:49] seb128: same for libgnome? [11:50] ogra: I'm curious. However it seems a bit too featureful to be easy to use: I hope I'm wrong, though [11:50] pitti: libgnome-2.0.mo [11:50] thom: other question - is MYHOST_ID still used? === psy___ [~psy@a80-126-83-214.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:51] uh, yeah === lamont got pinged by the debian popcon folks, wanted to have some sort of sanity in his reply... [11:51] pitti: libgnome-2.0.mo [11:51] ups [11:51] seb128: oh, thanks. that would have been wrong :-) [11:51] lamont: i have mail from them too, have been ignoring it for lack of time [11:51] thom: /etc/popularity-contest.conf isn't even used in popcon-upload.py.... [11:52] ah, mine just showed up w/in the last hour [11:52] enrico: i didnt try it myself, i'm just happy to have a packge in from a marketing perspective ;) its very fameous [11:52] ogra: cool! [11:52] lamont: no, the hostid is used by popcon itself [11:52] thom: so which one of us wants to (a) fix all the debian references in ubuntu's popcon, and (2) answer their mail? [11:52] thom: oh. ok [11:53] seb128: okay, no problems any more with today's stripped tarballs [11:53] cool [11:53] and the destination host for popcon-upload.py is kinda hardcoded right now too, I note. [11:53] it would be great if there was something in the developper wiki to explain how to make patch... === koke [~koke@rm-001-26.serve.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:54] seb128: if everything is built, then I can trigger an update === lamont files a bug in bz for them. === fgx [~fgx@host97-142.pool8248.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:54] lamont: bounce me your mail or file a bug and i'll do both [11:54] pitti: go go go :) [11:54] thom: coolness === pitti goes [11:54] Removed: _wnck_activate [11:54] Removed: _wnck_activate_workspace [11:54] Removed: _wnck_application_add_window [11:54] Removed: _wnck_application_create [11:54] Removed: _wnck_application_destroy [11:54] etc === Amaranth [~travis@ip68-229-188-97.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:54] bounced === seb128 doesn't get why these symboles are dropped of the nm -D [11:54] same package [11:54] yes, hardcoded since i are teh lazy [11:54] built one week ago and now [11:55] anyway, bbl [11:55] thom: np [11:55] anybody has an idea on what could change that ? [11:55] that's a diff of the nm -D listing on the lib [11:55] thom: I'll go ahead and reply quickly to them to tell them that I've filed a bug for us to fix our debian references.. [11:55] k === Amaranth [~travis@amaranth.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel === T-Bone is off to bed === T-Bone is now known as T-None === psy_ [~psy@a80-126-83-214.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:58] thom: #7288 has the email body in it, just for giggles. [11:59] lamont: k, cc me on your reply? [11:59] certainly [11:59] thom.may@ubuntu.com, yes? [11:59] just thom