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JDahlknucks, OTOH, you probably wanted to switch to hoary soon anyway12:00
Funraiserdid u check the link knucks?12:00
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knucksyeh confusin for me12:00
knuckswhy sint my printer showing up tho12:00
knucksI need that to work12:01
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knucksand why do i get a feeling that im on kde now not on gnome?12:03
knucksWhy is there a KDE control panel under APPS12:03
romUBlol12:03
Riddellknucks: APPS?12:03
knucksapplications12:03
Funraiserapplicatons12:03
Xappeknucks, have you installed k3b?12:04
knucksXappe: yeh12:04
Xappethere you have it :)12:04
Xappethen you've almost installed KDE too12:05
Funraiseran editor is to make a shell script?12:05
knucksbut i like gnome12:05
knucksnoo12:05
Riddellknucks: having KControl as ShowOnlyIn=KDE is on my todo list12:05
Xappeknucks, you're still on gnome12:05
knuckswell that control centre is bothering me12:05
Xappedon't click on it then12:06
Xappe:)12:06
romUBis there a way to overwrite all the system files with the latest hoary ones (like reinstalling but not losing any data files)12:06
gmaanybody here running with LVM?12:06
cwilluthat's basically what apt-get does, rom12:06
romUBhmm12:06
romUBok12:07
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Funraiserwhat can I use on gnome to make a shell script? what's the editor?12:07
cwilluanybody know how to get multiple monitors working?12:07
gmaromUB, change your sources.list to point to hoary and do "apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade"12:07
cwillugedit12:07
cwilluor whatever else tickles your fancy12:07
romUBgma, ok thanks12:07
fiskgunnarWhen using apt-get or synaptic, does it matter if u got other stuff running, like x-chat and realplayer?12:07
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djpFunraiser: use gedit12:08
knuckswow this isnt stable at all!12:08
Funraiseroh12:08
gmafiskgunnar, nope, not at all12:08
spaceyfiskgunnar, notfor me12:08
fiskgunnaroki,thanks12:08
knucksWTF12:08
Xappeknucks, and you've rebooted after upgrade?12:08
knucksthis sucks12:08
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cwilluknucks...12:08
knucks(no)12:08
gmarunning apps are loaded into RAM and you can freely change the libs on disk without causing them a problem12:08
knuckshaha12:08
stazichhey12:08
fiskgunnaroff to install firestarter then :)12:08
cwilluI've found that acpi causes problems, but I dunno if that's your issue12:09
djpknucks: i switched back from hoary to warty due to certain issues12:09
cwillumy laptop was crashing left and right until I got a kernel running without it12:09
stazichcan anyone tell me how to mount a network folder i am sharing on my WinXP onto ubuntu??12:09
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NavidHi Folks. I am having a ton of trouble installing CVS even after I have su'ed to root.12:10
djpemulators under ubuntu anyone?12:10
gino4466any way i can speed up gnome? because ever since i installed hoary it's been sluggish. back in warty it was quick and snappy, so there must be something wrong here, because hoary just can't suck that much12:10
NavidCan anyone help me out? I am trying to install everything I need to be able to compile through gcc, et al.12:10
JDahlnavid, sudo apt-get install cvs12:10
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knuckswhoa..12:10
Funraiserknucks i got it for mplayer12:10
JDahlnavid, sudo apt-get install build-essential12:10
knucksits all weird now12:10
NavidJDahl: That's all!? I'm going to have to try this.12:11
Funraiserknucks i got it for mplayer12:11
knuckseh?12:11
Funraisergo back to http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=9850&highlight=mplayer12:11
Funraiserthen open a terminal and type gedit12:11
johanedjp: what do you want to emulate?12:11
djphoary is bleeding edge so to speak a bit like fc3. i loved fc3 but am loving ubuntu just as much. just sticking with warty for now as that is the most stable release at present and that is what i want!12:11
djpjohane: megadrive/genesis12:12
Funraisera window will open12:12
NavidJDahl: It seems to going. I love you.12:12
djpFunraiser: that was the best way i found to install mplayer.12:13
Funraisercopy past what's the code in that new window that open12:13
knucksdjp u on warty or hoary?12:13
stazichcan anyone tell me how to mount a network folder i am sharing on my WinXP onto ubuntu??12:13
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NavidWhere can I get a full list of apt-get available packages?!12:13
djpknucks: warty12:13
JDahlNavid, yes - I am a peach12:13
romUBstazich, samaba (sudo apt-get install samba)12:13
zenroxstazich,  read www.ubuntuguide.org12:13
NavidAnd look at that, sudo apt-get install gcc is running like a charm12:14
knucksFunraiser: i copied..now what?12:14
Funraiseri mean copy/paste the code on that web site in the new window that open when u type "gedit" in the console12:14
djpknucks: the mplayer link will work for you under hoary as well though12:14
knucksok12:14
Funraisernow save it as mplayer.sh12:14
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knucksthen what12:14
Funraiserand now in the terminal type sudo sh mplayer.sh12:14
djpjohane: any advice?12:15
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cwilluhow do I configure ssh to let me login remotely?12:15
knucksooo12:15
knucksok12:15
knucksdoing it now12:15
Funraisercool12:15
GoneBoBcwillu: sudo apt-get install ssh12:15
Funraiserthanks djp12:15
cwilluI've got that far12:15
cwilluI think12:15
GodKillerok can or is anyone willing to help me with some sound issues??12:15
GoneBoBcwillu: that will automatically start ssh etc12:15
zenroxcwillu,  read www.ubuntuguide.org12:16
cwilluopenssh-client / server's been installed12:16
knucksChecking for cc version ... not found12:16
knucksChecking for gcc version ... not found12:16
knucksChecking for gcc-3.3 version ... not found12:16
knucksChecking for gcc-3.2 version ... not found12:16
knucksChecking for gcc-3.1 version ... not found12:16
knucksChecking for gcc3 version ... not found12:16
knucksChecking for gcc-3.0 version ... not found12:16
knucksChecking for cc version ... not found12:16
knucksi got those errors tho12:16
djpfunraiser: no probs12:16
knucksbut it finished12:16
JDahlknucks, sudo apt-get install build-essential12:16
Funraiserunknown territory...12:16
NavidI have a feeling sudo apt-get upgrade gaim didn't do what I expected it to...12:16
xun5knucks, use pastebin12:16
cwillulol12:16
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knucksxun5 ok..12:16
cwillunavid... I think you just wanted install gaim12:17
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Funraiserthis is like a recipe...everybody is bringing it's touch12:17
cwilluor maybe not12:17
GodKillermy soundcard is detected and installed at boot up but i get absolutely no sound out of the system at all12:17
Navidwell, Ubuntu comes with Gaim 1.0.0 but 1.1.4 is out now.. I wanted to upgrade not install.12:17
knucksgodkiller: what card?12:17
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GodKilleress maestro 312:17
KraelocI have warty set up to act as a router for a mac, connected via second PCI NIC, eth2. But the eth2 connection won't stay active in the network settings.12:17
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GodKillerthe mixer is good mp3 play on xmms but not a peep not even at login or system sounds .....nothing12:18
seb128Navid: "upgrade" is to upgrade the distribution and doesn't take an argument12:18
KraelocHelp...?12:18
seb128Navid: "sudo apt-get install gaim" is to upgrade gaim12:18
FunraiserIf you see the program start up - SUCCESS.12:18
FunraiserInsert a DVD. Push the DVD play button (not the |> button).12:18
FunraiserThe movie should start to play. Check the sound quality. Close out the MPlayer program. The Root Terminal window will close.12:18
NavidIt said "Already have latest version ..12:18
gino4466the newest gaim in the official repositories is 1.012:18
gino4466i think12:18
Navidbut gaim --version shows Gaim 1.0.012:18
seb128Navid: warty has 1.0.012:18
gino4466they dont have the new version packaged for apt-get12:18
knucksi cant seem to add it to the menu tho12:18
seb128Navid: warty is 2004-1012:19
NavidI got it.12:19
JDahlnavid, warty only gives you security updates12:19
NavidI have to wait for the changes to be pushed over?12:19
Funraiserknucks look back to the web site it's explained12:19
knucksyeh i cant seem to get that workin12:19
JDahlNavid, yes.12:19
KraelocI have warty set up to act as a router for a mac, connected via second PCI NIC, eth2. But the eth2 connection won't stay active in the network settings.12:19
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seb128Navid: there is some backports for warty, or you can use hoary, but hoary is not stable yet12:19
KraelocI DEMAND THAT SOMEBODY HELP ME.12:19
gino4466hahahaha12:20
Funraiserlol12:20
NavidAt my level of experience, I'm going to stick with stable.12:20
Funraiserthat's desperate12:20
Kraeloc... please ...?12:20
ChipzzKraeloc: lol, you're funny :)12:20
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GodKillerknucks> did you have some input or were you just wondering what card ?12:20
knuckswell depends i guess12:20
knucksmight be able to help if i know what card12:20
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GodKilleress allegro maestro 312:21
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GodKillerversion 198812:21
Funraiserso mplayer works?12:21
GodKilleryup12:21
KraelocI have warty set up to act as a router for a mac, connected via second PCI NIC, eth2. But the eth2 connection won't stay active in the network settings.12:21
GodKillerbut the sound doesnt come out12:21
zenroxFunraiser,  as long as you compile it your self12:21
KraelocDo I have to sacrifice a goat or seomthing?12:21
knucksFunraiser: not yet..12:21
JDahlKraeloc, how did you set it up? manually via /etc/network/interfaces?12:21
Funraiserhello SiRrus12:21
SiRrUsYo :)12:21
KraelocI followed a howto... lemme get the link12:21
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Kraelochttp://ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Masquerading-Simple-HOWTO.html12:22
JDahl(of course you could just cough up $30 for a router)12:22
KraelocI was also helped by a deosmn in ##mac12:22
KraelocI.12:22
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KraelocI'm dirt broke.12:22
GodKillerheh12:23
GodKilleri just want some sound12:23
KraelocI have a router, but I only get one port on it bewteen the two computers.12:23
knucksFunraiser: whats the location it installed it in?12:23
KraelocHoly shit.12:23
Funraiserzenrox u mean that shell script does the compiling?12:23
GodKillerthats a nice little split12:23
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gino4466so back to the reason i came here12:23
Funraiserknucks just do Applications -> Multimedia -> (go to the right pane, right click) -> Entire Menu -> Add New Item To This Menu ->12:23
FunraiserName: MPlayer12:23
FunraiserGeneric Name: Media Player12:23
FunraiserComment: The Media Player12:23
FunraiserCommand: /usr/local/bin/gmplayer12:23
knucksFunraiser: whers the location where mplayer is?12:23
SiRrUsmust have been something I said12:23
FunraiserHit the "No Icon" button12:23
gino4466my menus and stuff in gnome are all sluggish12:23
KraelocDid anyone else just notice some 50 people quit simaltaneously?12:23
FunraiserFind the "media-player-48.png" picture, select it, hit the "OK" button.12:23
FunraiserHit the "OK" button12:23
knucksyeh i tried browsing to there i cant find it12:23
gino4466and i have no idea why, because they were snappy in warty12:24
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gino4466>_<12:24
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Kraelocanyone?12:24
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mjrKraeloc, netsplit (irc sucks)12:24
knucksmy usr/local/bin is empty12:24
Funraiseris this a strike?12:24
Kraelocok, so anyone got any ideas for me?12:24
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haydenwhats the best way to use smbmount?>12:25
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haydendw12:26
Funraiserhold on12:26
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OmniColossusdoes anyone have experience using WPA with ubuntu?12:26
KraelocI have warty set up to act as a router for a mac, connected via second PCI NIC, eth2. But the eth2 connection won't stay active in the network settings.12:26
KraelocI was serious about tha goat, yaknow.12:27
haydencan anyone help me with this problem? Can't get /etc/mtab~ lock filesmbmnt failed: 112:27
zenroxKraeloc, yep you must or the ubuntu god wont like you12:27
zenroxlol12:27
knucksError: PNG support required for GUI compilation, please install libpng and libpng-dev packages.12:27
Kraelocok.12:27
Funraisertry to reboot and then applications/run application type mplayer12:27
GodKillerwell goodbye warty12:27
Funraiser(?)12:27
KraelocMy neighbors a few houses down keeps goats, I'll go buy one.12:27
cowbudknucks: so apt-get install libpng-dev12:28
KarlosisOmniColossus, I do12:28
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knucksyepp..12:28
zenroxKraeloc, lol12:28
KraelocShall I take pictures as proof?12:28
KraelocOr set up a webcam?12:28
knuckscowbud: cant find it12:28
OmniColossusKarlosis oh! finally SOMEONE!12:28
zenroxKraeloc,  webcam12:28
GodKillergonna try the hoary thing12:28
zenroxlol12:28
SiRrUsgood luck12:28
knuckswell i got libpng-dev12:28
OmniColossusKarlosis, powerpc by chnace?12:29
KarlosisOmniColossus, just try wpasupplicant12:29
KarlosisThis package will do WPA in userspace.... quite easy to setup12:29
GodKilleris the hoary any different than the warty rls??12:29
OmniColossusI have a airport (not extreme) wpasup does not seem to support?12:29
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knucksError: X11 support required for GUI compilation12:29
KarlosisI believe it's the kernel that needs to support it, OmniColossus12:30
OmniColossushmm12:30
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Funraiserreboot12:30
KarlosisOmniColossus, do you see anything on the iwconfig ?12:30
knucks<me?12:30
KraelocI have warty set up to act as a router for a mac, connected via second PCI NIC, eth2. But the eth2 connection won't stay active in the network settings.12:30
OmniColossuswhen I ran wpasupp it said something about not being able to open prism something12:30
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Funraiserdid u do it since the hoary upgrade?12:31
OmniColossusiwconfig sees the card yes12:31
gino4466anyone know any reasons why gnome menus and windows would lag when opening and be generally sluggish, when they were snappy and quick in warty?12:31
knucksFunraiser: I got an error12:31
KarlosisOmniColossus, it has drivers i believe, make sure the config names the correct one12:31
JDahlknucks, what are you trying to do? compile mplayer?12:31
knucksyeah12:31
knucksit tells me i need x11 support12:31
OmniColossusI'll give it another shot... I have xsupplicant installed atm12:31
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BobaFettHey guys...Anyone recommends a MP3 player better than XMMS?12:32
JDahlknucks, apt-cache search x11-dev12:32
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gino4466what's wrong with xmms?12:32
BobaFettNothings wrong with XMMS :P I was just wondering if there was a better player...12:32
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BobaFett...better playlist support, perhaps even embedded cd ripping and burning...12:33
gino4466oh well in that case12:33
gino4466No.12:33
BobaFettOh.12:33
gino4466actually i dunno, don't listen to me12:33
BobaFettI see.12:33
gino4466lol12:33
BobaFettLOL12:33
knucksJDahl: still same thing12:33
knucks X11 support required for GUI compilation12:33
BobaFettWill do, then xD12:33
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gino4466by the way, your shoes are untied12:33
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BobaFettI know...I walk on the wild side 8)12:33
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rricheanyone know of a util for extracting the contents of a .bin?  something like isobuster?12:34
danielswhy are you trying to compile mplayer?  there are packages12:34
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JDahlknucks, apt-cache search x11-dev gives you a hint of what to install - in this case libx11-dev, xlibs-dev :P12:34
knucksoo ok12:34
knuckslol12:34
NavidCan someone help me decipher what "E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem' means in regards to sudo apt-get install ant12:34
Navid?12:34
gino4466did you interrupt it at all?12:35
HrdwrBoBNavid: it means you should run dpkg --configure -a12:35
gino4466not to overstate the obvious ;)12:35
hilerriche: bchunk12:35
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rrichehile: thx12:35
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Navidha. No, I didn't interrupt it. I just wanted to learn what it meant.12:35
ellstritium: I am back12:36
tritiumHello ells12:36
zenroxhile, bin2iso will convert bin and cue to an iso that cam be mounter12:36
ellstritium: so far so good with the upgrade12:36
NavidSuprisingly, ant is not part of the apt-get repository.12:36
tritiumells, I'm glad to hear it.12:36
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ellsjust have to configure my stuff12:36
ellsthe dvds wont play yet12:36
ellswill check settings12:36
knucksJDahl: The GUI requires GTK devel packages (which were not found).12:36
knucksARGH12:36
ellstritium: are you connecting via laptop12:36
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Funraiserthose are in synaptic12:37
tritiumells, yes12:37
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ellsare you using a network tool to find avail networks12:37
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knucksfunraiser: what are they called12:37
BobaFettguys...Anyone recommends a MP3 player better than XMMS?12:37
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Funraisergtk12:37
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tritiumells, yeah, netapplet12:37
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ellsworks good for ya12:37
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JDahlknucks, so install libgtk2.0-dev, or libgtk1.2-dev12:37
ellsdid you apt get it12:37
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Funraiseru will see many , among them the devel12:38
PhantomCircuitwget -b http://members.lycos.co.uk/PhantomCircuit/test.txt12:38
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tritiumells, yes12:38
PhantomCircuitwould download that file right?12:38
ellscool12:38
knucksdo u know the name12:38
knucks?12:38
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Funraiserlibgtk2.0-dev12:38
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Funraiserand libgtk1.2-dev12:39
knucksthanks12:39
Funraiserwell thanks to JDahl actually12:39
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knucksugh this is taking forever!12:40
Funraiserthis installation for mplayer is...12:40
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Funraiserthat what i was about to say12:40
rrichethx again hile, exactly what i was looking for.12:40
knucksare u still isntalling urs?12:40
knucksor are u done?12:40
neomgrrrrrrr12:40
Funraiserbut u are learning a lot12:40
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neomroot@stix:/home/neom # mv kde.png /mnt/stix/12:41
neommv: cannot create regular file `/mnt/stix/kde.png': Permission denied12:41
neomroot@stix:/home/neom #12:41
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Funraiseri'm not, realplayer, xine and totem player are fine for me so far12:41
neomHow the fuck can root have permisson denied. :|12:41
knuckso ok12:41
Funraiserlol12:41
knuckslol @ neom12:41
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Funraiserubuntu is very secure, even root has not all rights12:42
djpfunraiser: how do you play vcd/svcd with totem?12:42
JDahloh dear! neom ran something as root... he is in for the treatment of his life!!12:42
tckdjp, try xine-ui12:42
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neomye ye12:42
knucksthis is takin fuckin forever12:43
knucksanyone else compile mplayer on their hoary ?12:43
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djptck: totem does not work with vcd/svcd cd's? looks like xine will have to enter the fray then!12:43
tckknucks, it doesnt work for me properly even on warty12:43
tckxine-ui is great12:43
knucksthis better not be a waste of my time12:43
tckyou could try totem-xine12:43
knucksi got this because for instance, limewire asked for it12:43
Funraiserthe tv shows that i watch are dvdrip/xvid/avi and it works with realplayer...that's all i need12:43
tckbut gstreamer is better12:43
tckor if u want them to all work just get, vlc12:44
djptck: totem-xine installed. just don't know how to playback vcd/svcd cd's...12:44
JDahlnoone is going to lecture him about how dangerous that is? and about how much security matters even on your home machine? Things are achangin' in here12:44
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Funraiserhim who JDahl?12:45
JDahlnoem who ran something as root12:45
Funraiseroh12:45
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Funraiserthat's learning experiences12:45
knucks(i run a lot of things as root)12:45
BobaFettGuys...Im having problems with my ATAPI CDRW detection...anyone configured an ASUS CDRW? I have no idea how to do it, could use some pointers...12:45
knucksO_O12:45
Funraiserlol12:46
knucksok how do i add somethin to the meny12:46
knucksthe whole right click thing aint working12:46
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djpknucks: issue with hoary12:46
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Funraiserhere we go12:46
djpknucks: there is a small app that someone has written as a workaround...12:47
haydencan someone help me, i have an error when i try to mount a smb share, it says /etc/mtab is locked?12:47
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knucksisnt there a way to launch the applications as a window?12:47
stazichhey guiys, i seem to be having problems running the cdrom playback... ineither of the programs i have can read a cd.. in fact they are reading, and seem to be playing even pull up the CDDB entries off the net but NO SOUND COMES OUT... anyone has any idea what could be wrong?12:47
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knucksso u can just right click like in a normal browser12:47
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djpknucks: just launch the app from the command line12:48
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knucksbut i want to add it to the menu12:48
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Funraiseryes u can do that knucks12:48
djpknucks: you need to install the workaround app12:48
Kraelochttp://ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Masquerading-Simple-HOWTO.html12:48
haydencan someone help me, i have an error when i try to mount a smb share, it says /etc/mtab is locked?12:48
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Kraelocoops12:49
KraelocI have warty set up to act as a router for a mac, connected via second PCI NIC, eth2. But the eth2 connection won't stay active in the network settings.12:49
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ellswhat is everyone using to burn dvds12:49
knuckswhats the workaround app12:49
KraelocHheheh12:49
apokryphosk3b12:49
MMondHello . . . nub linux question: in root terminal, how do I delete a folder? del folder?12:49
KraelocI have a 24x cdrom.12:49
apokryphosMMond: man rm12:49
shockrm -r folder12:49
ellsapokryphos, movie dvds?12:49
stazichhey guiys, i seem to be having problems running the cdrom playback... ineither of the programs i have can read a cd.. in fact they are reading, and seem to be playing even pull up the CDDB entries off the net but NO SOUND COMES OUT... anyone has any idea what could be wrong?12:49
apokryphosells: oh, nope.12:49
neomhttp://home.neom.ca/kde.png12:49
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Funraiseru got the missing libs knucks?12:50
MMondThank you12:50
ellsapokryphos, I am trying dvdrip12:50
knucksthe what?12:50
knucksfor what?12:50
ellswill see how good it is12:50
knucksim done w/ compiling12:50
apokryphosells: well, if you had it as an iso or bin etc.. you could.12:50
knucksi want to add to menu now12:50
Funraisergtklib12:50
ellsright12:50
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Funraisertry something first12:50
djpknucks: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=16699&highlight=launcher+hoary12:51
Funraiserapplications/run applications12:51
Funraisertype gmplayer12:51
KraelocI have warty set up to act as a router for a mac, connected via second PCI NIC, eth2. But the eth2 connection won't stay active in the network settings.12:51
shockhttp://freshmeat.net/projects/privateer/ <--- has anyone gotten this thing to actually run?12:51
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KraelocFOR THE LOVE OF GOD, HELP ME.12:52
KraelocI have warty set up to act as a router for a mac, connected via second PCI NIC, eth2. But the eth2 connection won't stay active in the network settings.12:52
shocki loved privateer! I remember tweaking the dos bootup & configs on my old 386 :D12:52
djpKraeloc: i would if i could...12:52
apokryphosKraeloc: how many times have you asked here?12:52
HrdwrBoBKraeloc: what do you mean stay active12:52
shockKraeloc whats up12:52
haydenKraeloc, if no one is answering that means they don't know12:52
shockok Kraeloc - whats the problem?12:53
KraelocI click the activate button, and it does so for about tw oseconds, then goes inactive.12:53
knucksdjp: how do i use that?12:53
shocki read what you are saying but it makes no sense to me12:53
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djpknucks: you need to install php-gtk first12:53
shockyou have eth0,1 and 2?12:54
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shockso whats internal and whats extern12:54
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johanedjp: uhm, nope :)12:54
KraelocNo, for some reason it decided to call them eth1 and eth212:54
shockhmkay12:54
Kraelocinternal is eth212:54
shockhow new are you to linux?12:54
Kraelocand eth1 is external12:54
djpknucks: if you scroll down the forum thread you will find a walkthrough12:54
johanei can recommend zsnes though :)12:54
neomWhat file do you have to cat to see the ubuntu build and version etc etc?12:54
Funraiserso much for "it's easier to install an app on linux than on windows.."12:54
Gervystarhi, I'm having some trouble installing hoary on a g5 imac: the installer can not detect the cdrom and so it can not continue. Any hints about that?12:55
BobaFettGuys...Im having problems with my ATAPI CDRW detection...anyone configured an ASUS CDRW? I have no idea how to do it, could use some pointers...12:55
apokryphosneom: cat /proc/version or cat /etc/issue, I guess.12:55
HrdwrBoBBobaFett: it should just work12:55
JDahlFunraiser, who said that?12:55
KraelocI'm fairly new to ubuntu, but I have some knowledge of basic unix/linux cammands and such12:55
Kraeloci followed a howto:12:55
Kraelochttp://ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Masquerading-Simple-HOWTO.html12:55
djpjohane: yeah zsnes is great. looks like i will have to compile gens or generator for megadrive goodness!12:55
BobaFetthrdrwrBoB: it doestn :(12:55
Funraiseri've read that somewhere12:55
shockkraeloc - check querry12:56
KraelocEh?12:56
Funraisermy asus cdrw detected automatically12:56
BobaFettIt reads just fine, but doesnt write, and Im having trouble with cdrecord -scanbus12:56
shockargh... ok12:56
Funraiserwhat model?12:57
MMondI'm editting some php files . . . what "editor" is suggested for this?12:57
MMond!ping12:57
MMondI'm editting some php files . . . what "editor" is suggested for this?12:57
djpfunraiser: ubuntu is a really good distro for a first release though12:57
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Funraiserit is12:57
Funraiserubuntu is terrific12:57
JDahlMMond, emacs, vim, gedit, ... whatever editor you know12:57
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apokryphosMMond: quanta/kate/kwrite are good12:57
Funraiseri'm about to ditch windows for good12:57
BobaFettASUS CDRW 5232X ...12:58
MMondI don't know any.. I'm a noob at Linux. However, I have heard "gedit" the mere name a lot . . . would that be good for editting php  files?12:58
djpfunraiser: only linux in this house!12:58
djpfunraiser: although a dual boot with windows does have advantages for some12:58
JDahlMMond, it's just an editor...12:58
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apokryphosMMond: it seems to have all the necessary highlighting for php, so it should be alright, I guess.12:59
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Xappei'm booting windows only for gameplaying12:59
Funraiserbobafett that's the same i have12:59
djpMMond: quanta plus12:59
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Funraiserare u on warty or hoary?12:59
apokryphosMMond: Quanta is probably better as you'll have *far* more options with it etc..12:59
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MMondJDahl: vim . . . do tell me one thing. Firstly.. yes, I'm a total newb at Linux, but . . . why is that people prefer to browse through files with terminal rather than GUI ... same to view files . . . as far as I see, it's only a bit more arduous of a task.. not that extensible12:59
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MMondPerhaps I'm just not seeing something . . .01:00
apokryphosMMond: Not all of us do; sometimes it's just a lot quicker, if you're doing some quick editing.01:00
djpXappe: exactly. something i contemplated at first but considering i have 5 consoles surrounding me i decided that gaming was becoming a neglected art on my PC!01:00
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JDahlMMond, the bottle neck is not in the editor... you're the bottleneck01:00
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MMondI take it vim is the most prominent editor for all sorts of things?01:01
MMondMmm01:01
apokryphosNo01:01
djpMMond: vim is extremely versitile01:01
JDahlMMond, emacs is nice once you remember the commands01:01
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Funraiseri've seen today the list of games playable on linux it's just...amazing...i mean the last stonghold of windows is about to collapse01:01
BobaFettFunraiser: How did you get it to write cds?01:01
Funraiserdude...it just..worked!01:02
XappeFunraiser, i can't get the hang of cvscedega though01:02
BobaFettREALLY? Oh bummer...01:02
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MMondMmmhmm. I'm gonna get editting - thanks for the tips and the hints01:02
knuckswhats the good xine program?01:02
BobaFettWhat do you use tu brn cds? kd3, arson, nautilus, what?01:02
knucksxine -something01:02
apokryphosHeh, funnily enough, vim was voted the editor of the year on LinuxQuestions. :D01:02
FunraiserXappe are u kidding me, i found it today in no time on piratebay.org01:02
MomHi all.  I hope I'm not bothering, but I can't seem to boot from the Ubuntu CD that I dl. I WINISOed it and burned it to cd.  I had no trouble with SuSE or Fedora Core.  What am I doing wrong? I'm very new to this.01:02
apokryphosBobaFett: whatever floats your boat; I use k3b.01:03
XappeFunraiser, mhm, I've installed the cvs-version, but I have hard times using it :)01:03
knucksFunraiser: whats that one xine program?01:03
MMondEveryone has actually suggested that I quickly get used to it - that vim will serve me great goods once I get used to it01:03
BobaFettapokryphos: I cant get k3b to see my damn cdrw can also WRITE cds! :(01:03
djpknucks: xine-gui01:03
knucksthats the one01:03
haydencan anyone help me with samba, it says /etc/mtab is locked whenever i try to mount a share (i am gonna format and reinstall if no fix)01:03
knucksis it in synaptic?01:04
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Funraisera video player01:04
BobaFettapokryphos: I try to run k3bsetup2 but i get a 'path not found' error...01:04
Funraisereasier01:04
XappeBobaFett, I use graveman01:04
Funraiseron ubuntuguide.org01:04
djpknucks: should be if you have the correct repos setup01:04
knucksim on hoary..01:04
BobaFettXappe: My problem doesnt seem to be on the software/frontends, I think its just that im missing something to write cds...drivers maybe?01:04
knucksi tried apt-get installing it but it couldnt find it01:04
Funraiseron warty it is on synaptic01:05
djpknucks: i think it is in universe or maybe multiverse, maybe somebody here can help us out with that one01:05
knucksbrb..01:05
JDahlit's xine-ui, no?01:05
Funraiseryep01:05
haydencan anyone help me with samba, it says /etc/mtab is locked whenever i try to mount a share (i am gonna format and reinstall if no fix)01:05
djpJDahl: right!01:06
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psy__nn01:07
djpknucks: xine-ui = universe repo01:08
MomIf you had to tell your mom what to do with the Ubuntu DL, what would you tell here?01:08
timstry it as a livecd first mom01:08
Funraisergo back to windows01:08
djpMom: wait for me to visit...01:08
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Funraiserlol01:09
djpmy parents are using a windows 3.11 box with full digital camera support, mp3 playback and cd burning functionality!01:10
snowblinkMom: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=13414&page=1&pp=1001:10
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timswhy?01:10
djptims: they have an extremely old pc01:10
apokryphosSounds excellent.01:10
timsthat is so last century01:10
djptims: it wokrs for them and the system is extremely fast01:11
Funraisermom: linux is not ready for you yet, but it's coming fast01:11
djptims: any other operating system will just crawl along01:11
BobaFettWhat kind of Win 3.11 is THAT? O.o01:11
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djpBobaFett: the usual ;)01:12
BobaFettAll I ever got my Win3.11 to do was to run AVI files...but that was it, and they played at 16bpp! LOL01:12
Funraiserknucks?01:12
ErrejoHey, anyone here had trouble with dcGUI sharelist not being readable ? It's like the text is same color as background or not there at all .. I can see the expansion arrow thingies but ..01:12
BobaFettTell your parents they ROCK, djp :)01:12
djpBobaFett: usb support is available under Windows 3.11, it's just a bugger to get working!01:12
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SeqBobaFett: nice, i only ever ran win 3.1 or 3.11 at 256 colours01:13
BobaFettwhen I had Win3.11, a joypad was already strange enough xD01:13
Funraiseri had a cpc 612801:13
JDahldjp, I think I have some OS/2 floppies stashed somewhere they can have... it's 100% Win31 compatible, a 32bit OS and true multitasking!!01:13
Euphoriahi all01:13
djpBobaFett: have installed DeliLinux as a dual boot os for them just recently01:13
BobaFettEver heard of Scitech Display Doctor, Seq? It got Win3.11 to run using VESA Standards..16bpp was a breeze :)01:13
BobaFettOh, your parents rock more than I do. :)01:14
SeqBobaFett: yeah, i had heard, and being a kid at the time i remember my uncle telling me about it. but all the games were for dos anyway01:14
djpJDahl: trust me JDahl, i have problems explaining what they have to do to connect to the internet everytime!01:14
BobaFettSeq...Win3.11 had some rare jewels, too! Ever tried the Win version of Adeline's Time Commando?01:14
SeqBobaFett: not about scitech display doctor itself, but about having "better colours" :p01:15
timsomg are you guys seriously reminiscing about win3.1?01:15
Errejoany suggestions what I can use instead of dcGUI then, that you know is working ok ?01:15
djptims: lol01:15
SeqBobaFett: pfft, i was all about wolfenstein and test drive at the time01:15
BobaFettWin3.1 brings back some fond memories...01:15
BobaFettWolfenstein and Test Drive? So...Never tried Cosmo's Cosmic Adventure from Epic? Or ANY Epic game?01:16
BobaFettJill of the Jungle? Tyrian?01:16
BobaFettMan, you missed some real pieces of work!01:16
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SeqBobaFett: fond memories of win 3.1? well that makes one of us! :)01:16
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djpBobaFett: tyrian! Now you're talking!01:16
knucksFunraiser: yeh?01:16
timsman I hated win3.1, but then I was writing software for it at the time..01:16
Funraisergot xine?01:16
BobaFettIve always been a Winblows user, guys...im sorry *blushes*01:16
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SeqBobaFett: it was neat, but having no modem at the time, everything i wanted to do was faster in dos. so granted my usage was a little different, but it allows me to have no particularly fond memories of it at all01:17
BobaFettAnd now I cant even burn a CD under Linux LOL01:17
apokryphosNothing can beat the old-school Macs; used to have solitaire even on our first one. Killer stuff.01:17
djpBobaFett: use cdrecord01:17
BobaFettI know whatcha mean, Seq...Win3.11 games were rare at the time...most Windows-powered gamers discovered games at the birth of DirectX01:17
knucksFunraiser: no01:17
knucksi cant find it01:17
Quest-MasterBobaFett: Tried gnomebaker?01:17
Funraiseron synaptic?01:17
djpknucks: check what repos you have activated01:18
BobaFettgnomebaker? Nopes,...never heard of it...01:18
timsyeah yeah so my first computer didn't even have a tape drive.. and only a memo pad mode with no programming language, but you don't see me getting all misty-eyed01:18
SeqBobaFett: thats because you had "better" raw graphics support under dos until direct x01:18
XappeErrejo, i'm using linuxdcpp (linux port of dc++)01:18
knucksdjp: all of them are01:18
BobaFettSeq: And also, DirectX games were visually stunning for the time...it was too hard to resist :)01:18
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Errejothanks, Xappe, I'll check it out01:19
djpknucks: JDahl pointed out earlier it is xine-ui not xine-gui as i mistakenly called it01:19
Momdjp:  I hope you got my thank you message!01:19
knucksahh well then i can get it01:19
SeqBobaFett: i disagree. what was the big game to launch direct x? Fury3. Ever play terminal velocity for dos? exact same game.01:19
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djpMom: sorry?01:19
XappeErrejo, http://linuxdcpp.berlios.de/articles.php?um=index01:19
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BobaFettSeq: Ever tried the 'Win95 Games - No Limits' Demo CD Microsoft lauched with DirectX?01:20
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timsjoin channel #win3.1geezers01:20
SeqBobaFett: nopes01:20
BobaFettIt was a graphical miracle...and I agree, Fury3 sucked bigtime. But The DirectX Demo CD had some real jewels.01:20
Quest-MasterFury3.. oh man.01:20
knucksok i got xine-ui01:20
knuckshow do i run it01:20
MomI sent you a thank you message.  I guess you didn't get it.  thanks for the link.  It looks like just what I need.01:20
Quest-MasterThat was like, THE game.01:20
djpSeq: TV... excellent game!01:20
Funraiserapplications/multimedia01:20
SeqBobaFett: oh i thought fury3 was a great game actually. im just saying its the same as terminal velocity for dos01:20
djptims: lol!!!01:21
knucksFunraiser: its not there01:21
BobaFettReally? I was more of a Descent kinda guy. Fury3 lacked some serious gameplay issues.01:21
FunraiserOMG01:21
Seqand to be honest, i've got dosbox installed for games but no cedega ;)01:21
Funraiserreboot01:21
Chipzzterminal velocity rules :)01:21
knucksok01:21
Momsnowblink: that's for the link!01:22
BobaFettAlso...you cant expect Microsoft's Fury 3 to become a classic when you have a similar game out in the market...and made by George Broussard and 3dRealms themselves...01:22
SeqBobaFett: descent was definately better, but it was give-take. you were _always_ in the mines in descent, wheras you were usually outside in fury3 (and the mines were just crappy tunnels)01:22
BobaFettDescent 2 had really cool open spaces!01:22
BobaFettBut I agree Descent's scent was claustrophobia.01:22
djpFunraiser: knuck's upgrade seems to have gone somewhat pear shaped01:23
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knucksIts not there01:23
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SeqBobaFett: descent2 didnt have any open spaces other than relly big rooms in the mines. descent 3 had some open spaces, but you couldnt leave the valleys iirc01:23
Seq(never played descent 3, really)01:23
BobaFettAnyways...Microsoft tried to outgame 3DRealms at what they did best. So...as you can guess, I never really liked Furt3 :)01:23
Funraiser...dunno01:24
djpknucks: can u let us know what is in your sources.list?01:24
knucksyeah01:24
knucksum01:24
SeqBobaFett: (i should also mention descent 2 was one of my favourite games. right up there with syndicate and privateer -- all of which are dos games :)01:24
knuckshow tho01:24
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knuckswhere do u want me to paste it01:24
BobaFettSyndicate ! LOL Bullfrog was DA BOMB!01:24
BobaFettI got Syndicate Wars, too. Ever tried it?01:24
Seqyeah, i wasnt a big fan of it01:24
Seqprolly 'cause it was slow on my machine or something being all 3d01:25
BobaFettNeither was I...but it was one of my first CD-Rom games...so...it still brings tears to my eyes :)01:25
Funraisertry applications/runapplications/ and type xine01:25
Funraiserrun01:25
timsone word: Starcraft01:25
Funraiserand boulder dash01:26
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BobaFettBoulder Dash for the Atari 800XL was the reason I got into consoles... :)01:26
BobaFettI never was a Space Invaders kinda guy.01:26
Seqnever got into warcraft or starcraft. i really liked the c&c games though01:26
djpFunraiser: boulder dash II rockford's revenge, now that IS a puzzle game!01:26
Funraiseri spent nights on boulder dash01:26
djptims: starcraft was one game i am ashamed to say i missed...01:27
tims800xl was not a console :)01:27
BobaFettWarcraft: Orcs and Humans got me hooked on my 386sx 16mhz, and I never stopped since :)01:27
djptimss: 800xml was an atari, right?01:27
apokryphosStarcraft was great, but RedAlert better.01:27
BobaFettI know, tims, but after seeing Boulder Dash, I had to get the new 'Nintendo' thing everyone was talking about :)01:27
OmniColossusTA for linux would rule my world01:27
XappeDune 201:27
Funraiserredalert was cool01:27
timslol, 800XL was a 64k fire-breathing 6502-based microcomputer01:28
SeqXappe: i never had a chance to play dune 2 until after c&c, oddly enough01:28
apokryphosFinal Fantasy games have to have been the ones that consumed the most amount of my childhood. ;-)01:28
OmniColossusbut I would settle for some powerpc Quake2 bots01:28
BobaFettfor me? Atari 800Xl was nothing more than BoulderDash, Montezuma, Green Beret and Henry's House :)01:28
timssigh01:28
Seqapokryphos: final fantasy 7 was the only one i played repeatedly.01:28
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Xappewell, dune 2 is still ome of the best rts games imho01:28
Funraiserwas addicted to boulder dash, actually there is a version of it right here on ubuntu, found that the other day, on games/stones!!01:28
BobaFettChrono Trigger ownz Final Fantasy :)01:29
OmniColossuschrono trigger :D01:29
OmniColossusjinx jinx jinx01:29
apokryphosSeq: It was the clear favourite for me, too. I think I completed it at least 2/3 times.01:29
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Seqi think most of my childhood went into the wing-commanders, especially privateer.01:29
apokryphoscould feel the tears coming when Aeris died. ;)01:29
Funraisercheck boulder dash on ubuntu on games/stones!01:29
jeff_what about space quest01:29
BobaFettOh, I was more of a TIEFighter/X-Wing type of guy :)01:29
apokryphosdamn that Sephiroth01:29
Xappechrono trigger is totally addictive01:29
kaosdoes anyone know the name for this gui front end to cdrecord its like a three letter acronym01:29
apokryphosk3b01:30
BobaFettkaos: KD3?01:30
Seqapokryphos: i had the pc version, so I accidently found out aeris died way too early (the videos were just avi's)01:30
BobaFettK3B01:30
kaosyeh01:30
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BobaFett(typo xD)01:30
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OmniColossussecret of mana was also fun01:30
kaosIt took a min01:30
apokryphosSeq: you cheat :P01:30
Funraisera sec01:30
kaosthanks01:30
BobaFettSecret of Mana rules! I played even the 'Seiken Densetsu' ones xD01:30
apokryphosSeq: any idea if that's still available anywhere? Would love to see some of those cinematics again.01:30
SeqBobaFett: i had those too. but didnt it always get down to the point where you knew EXACTLY how the mission would play out, so you could time everything to get all bonus objectives?01:31
OmniColossussecret of phantasia was translated, but I have yet to play it01:31
Seqapokryphos: ff7?01:31
apokryphosyeah01:31
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skel_homeany users of amd64 ubuntu ?01:31
Seqapokryphos: prolly somewhere, im sure. I still have the pc version in a box somewhere im sure01:31
BobaFettSeq: Oh, yeah...bonus objectives earned you the right to be the Emeperor's personal badass and have a killer tatoo...what can possibly be cooler? :)01:31
veristeadok.... so i jst got a uMax SuperMac 600 series (603e/240) and currently it is running MacOS 8.5 and i want to make it run Ubuntu however it seemingly will not boot from the CD drive any other suggestions of getting Ubuntu onto the machine?01:31
veristeadit is a mac clone01:32
skel_homeveristead: you probably need to go through the oldworld mac install proceedures01:32
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apokryphoswill do01:32
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veristeadske1_home: floppy?01:33
Funraiserknucks?01:33
skel_homeveristead: yeah I think so01:33
knucksFunraiser: djps helpin..01:34
Funraiseroh01:34
Funraiserk01:34
knucksyeay01:34
knucksgot it01:34
Funraiserxine's working?01:34
knuckswell i dont have a video to test it on01:35
knucksbut yes01:35
Funraiserthe shortcut too?01:35
knucksyeh01:35
djpknucks: well done01:35
thierryFunraiser, wich version of xine?01:35
knucksmy next order of business tho...my printer doesnt work01:35
Funraiser0.99.101:35
Funraiserthierry01:35
thierryfunraiser, yeah?01:36
djpok night all, my bed is calling before my 2 year old does!01:36
Funraiserversion 0.99.101:36
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BobaFettdamn cdrw!!! i just cant get it to workkk...do i need scsi drivers for and atapi cdrw?01:36
knucksnight01:36
Funraisernight djp01:36
veristeadcan i get Ubuntu on to floppy disks?01:36
knucksthx for the help01:36
Funraiserno bobafett01:36
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Funraisermine is like yours01:36
Funraiserand it works on atapi01:36
knuckswhy doesnt my printer work01:37
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BobaFettFunraiser: What could be the problem with my cdrecord command? I cant get it to run a succesful scanbus...01:37
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Funraiseride01:37
veristeadanyone know if Ubuntu can ship floppies instead of CDs?01:37
Funraiserare u on hoary or warty?01:37
Funraiserdon't think so01:37
thierryfunraiser, I have 0.99.3 and it works well but I don't have any link01:38
HrdwrBoBveristead: um.. no01:38
knuckshow do i get RAR working01:38
knucksi have a trance cd to unrar01:38
Funraiserknuck ubuntuguide.org01:38
knucksand the one in the guide wont work for me01:38
Funraiserno?01:38
skel_homeveristead: what I did for my ibook before they could get the cd / hd to work on the same channel was copy the kernel and yaboot to my mac os9 drive and booted off that.. then inserted the cd01:38
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knucksFunraiser: nope01:38
apokryphosfound a couple of great ones :D01:39
thierryknucks : try apt-get install unrar01:39
knuckspackage unrar has no installation candidate01:40
thierryknucks : hoary or warty?01:40
knuckshoary01:40
veristeadske1_home interesting01:40
veristeadseemingly, now that i try it, the CD drive doesn't work01:40
veristeadit won't mount any CD i put in there01:41
thierryknucks : do you have all the repositories of ubuntuguide but with hoary instead of warty?01:41
knucksi think so.01:41
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thierryknucks : because with all the repositories for hoary I get it01:41
Funraiserthierry try gmplayer01:41
knuckscan i PM u and show u?01:42
Funraiseroupps01:42
Funraiseri mean try...01:42
veristeadwhat would be interesting is if i could install it via a network01:42
veristeadconnect it to another machine01:42
Funraisernautilus nautilus applications:///Multimedia01:42
veristeadand install it from that machine01:42
Funraiserand add a new launcher if u know where the bin is01:42
veristeador i could pull out the hard drive and install it from another computer01:42
thierry!!!!! gcc is not installed by default in ubuntu???01:43
JDahlthierry, sudo apt-get install build-essential gives you most software development tools01:43
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johnnybezakthierry!!! OMG!!! :P01:44
knucksmmm I got it01:44
knuckseh01:44
knuckswtf01:44
knucksi got rar01:44
knucksstill doesnt wanna unrar it01:44
knucksdo i have to restart?01:44
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JDahlknucks, probably you need unrar-nonfree01:45
Funraiserno01:45
FunraiserApplications -> Accessories -> Archive Manager01:45
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thierryno gtk+ neither!!!!!!!!01:46
knucksJDahl yup. Thanks01:46
Funraiseris it that bad?01:46
JDahlthierry, it does come with apt-get, though01:46
crimsunthierry: um, gtk+ _is_ installed by default, else gnome wouldn't even run.01:46
knucksok who can help me with my printer?01:47
knucksi need to get it working01:47
Funraiserwell i go to bed now...night all01:47
knucksg'd night mate01:47
crimsunthierry: but the decision to not install the devel portions is based on the sane idea that most desktop users won't need to compile ;-)01:47
thierryJDahl, crimsun : strange I can't get to get ./configure of firefox working because he says that GTK+ isn't installed01:47
thierrycrimsun: ok I understand01:48
crimsunthierry: that's because it's looking for libgtk2.0-dev01:48
crimsunthierry: just do: apt-get build-dep mozilla-firefox01:48
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thierrycrimsun: thanks! Now I see how yum is nothing comparing to apt-get01:49
crimsun:p01:49
ellscan anyone help me with burning my vob files to a dvd. I did it and it wont play01:50
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thierrycrimsun: I still get this error about GTK :01:51
thierrychecking for gtk-config... no01:51
thierrychecking for GTK - version >= 1.2.0... no01:51
thierry*** The gtk-config script installed by GTK could not be found.01:51
thierry*** If GTK was installed in PREFIX, make sure PREFIX/bin is in01:51
thierry*** your path, or set the GTK_CONFIG environment variable to the01:51
thierry*** full path to gtk-config.01:51
thierry*** GTK+ is available from ftp://ftp.gtk.org/pub/gtk01:51
thierryconfigure: error: Test for GTK failed.01:51
crimsunthierry: is there any reason you're using ./configure by hand?01:51
thierrycrimsun: how could I fix that?01:51
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crimsunthierry: (it's looking for libgtk1.2-dev)01:51
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thierrycrimsun: I want to test a change I made for an ubuntu bug01:52
johnnybezakhave any of you guys noticed how much better man pages for bsd are? why doesn't some one copy them for the gnu pages?01:52
crimsunthierry: best to apt-get source mozilla-firefox and use the ubuntu's build infrastructure01:52
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crimsunjohnnybezak: well, openbsd's man pages are wonderful01:53
thierrycimsun : what is the ubuntu's build infrastructure?01:53
thierrycrimsun01:53
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crimsunthierry: dpkg-dev, etc.01:53
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thierrycrimsun: any howto or deeper explanation about that? I don't know what is dpkg-dev so...01:54
crimsunthierry: the tools used to create a .deb01:54
johnnybezakcrimsun: mb youre right, but I was using mac os x over summer and if you compare the darwin "man chmod" to the on on ubuntu, its shameful01:54
thierryok!! and how do I do this?01:54
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crimsunthierry: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/01:55
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JDahlthierry, what is you want? to compile firefox on your own?01:55
thierryJDahl : just to test something I added for an Ubuntu bug01:56
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JDahlthierry, why dont you patch the ubuntu package, apt-get source firefox? then you have infrastructure for making debs01:57
knucksso heres a question..where the hell did Azureus and LimeWire disappear to01:57
techn9nethey disapeared?01:57
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knucksyeah01:58
knucks..01:58
techn9nefrom where?01:58
knucksi had them before i upgraded to hoary01:58
knucksnow they're gone01:58
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knucksand i cant seem to get them working01:58
techn9neyour java is probably brocken01:58
techn9netype : java at command line01:58
mrothhas anyone ran into a problem where the machine refuses to boot when a USB media reader is plugged in?01:59
techn9neits either gonna spit out a bunch of information or give you an error saying command not found01:59
knuckstechn9ne: ok01:59
thierryJDahl : wait a minute, how do I patch the ubuntu package?01:59
knucksi got info01:59
crimsunmroth: boots normally when the usb device is unplugged, correct?01:59
techn9neok01:59
techn9negoto limewire /azureus directroy01:59
mrothcrimsun: yep, and you can plug it in post-boot and it works fine01:59
crimsunthierry: use the dpatch infrastructure01:59
GodKillerfuck i cant fucking believe this nasty piece of shit wont play any sounds01:59
techn9neknucks: start from command line and see whatit says01:59
JDahlthierry, you get the source package, "sudo apt-get source firefox"01:59
knucksok i can load them..02:00
techn9nefor some reason i cant start limewire only8 from command line02:00
techn9nei dont know why i havent figured it out yet02:00
techn9ne:-/02:00
thierryJDahl, ok then what?02:00
mrothcrimsun: but when its plugged in at boot... you dont get past the initrd area of stuff02:00
JDahlthierry, then you start hacking...02:00
crimsunmroth: I've seen it, yes. I work around it by plugging in the device later.02:01
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thierryJDahl, ok and once my hacking is finished? That's about where I am02:01
knuckswhats that program im looking for to make shortcuts in the panel?02:01
knucksits like..02:01
knucksphp-gtk02:01
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mrothcrimsun: ah, any idea what causes it?02:01
crimsunmroth: did you experience this with warty and/or hoary?02:02
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JDahlthierry, I havent build my own debs in awhile so I forgot the command... maybe crimsum remembers? it's quite easy, though02:02
mrothcrimsun: dont recall when it started, i've been running hoary for quite a while.. its persisted for at least the past few kernel versions02:02
crimsunthierry: I posted above a url to the maint-guide02:03
crimsunthierry: it's also installable via apt-get02:03
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JDahlthierry, I bet "man dpkg-buildpackage" would be helpful02:04
ErrejoI can't use my dsa ssh key made in windows with puttygen when I'm in linux ? It won't accept my passphrase02:04
thierryk02:04
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veristeadok... can anyone help me with something02:05
mrothcrimsun: any idea what the best way to track it down would be?  I'd like to get it well documented so it can hopefully be patched out at some point.  unfortunately kernel-level magic is beyond me.02:05
veristeadi keep trying to get help but i keep getting turned down02:05
crimsunmroth: keep an eye on what the kernel reports when you plug it in02:05
JDahlveristead, down ask for help, just ask... if we know the answer, we will answer02:06
JDahls/down/dont/02:06
mrothcrimsun: plug it post-boot?  problem only occurs during boot, so the post-boot plugin works successfully02:06
crimsunmroth: yes02:06
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thierrycrimsun, Jdahl: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot is the solution02:07
veristeadseemingly everytime i open the network  utility in Ubuntu Warty i keep getting an error message saying "The Configuration could not be loaded:  There was an error running the backend script"02:07
JDahlthierry, cool02:07
veristeadit also happens on Users02:07
veristeadand group02:07
veristeadTime and Date02:07
crimsunthierry: that's one method, yes.02:07
veristeadand so far that's it02:07
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veristeadit only worked once and that was when i was at the mall trying to show someone that it didn't work02:08
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JDahlthierry, dont forget to increment the package version number02:08
ellsanyone here using net applet02:08
mrothcrimsun: alright, got the relevant output from kern.log in a text file02:09
lupusBEany gtk developers here that know of gtkmarshal.list?02:09
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King_Crimsonhello ?02:10
ellsanyone here using net applet02:10
thierryJDahl, why incrementing?02:10
King_Crimsoni have a ?02:10
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King_Crimsonanyone can help me?02:11
JDahlthierry, otherwise the package manager will probably replace your customized packaged right under your nose02:11
thierryok!02:11
King_Crimsonumm02:11
King_Crimsonanyone no a lot oabout ubuntu i have a problem02:11
ellsanyone using netapplet, I need some assistance02:11
thierryJDahl, I increment after creating it or is there a special command that I need to do?02:11
JDahlthierry, there02:11
King_CrimsonSOMEONE02:12
King_CrimsonHELP ME02:12
techn9neKing_Crimson: chill out. just ask your question02:12
King_Crimsonok02:12
JDahlthierry, there's a textfile in the debian directory with the version number.. just add a .1 to the end or something.02:12
geppyKing_Crimson:  I AM SUDDENLY MOTIVATED TO HELP YOU02:12
King_Crimsonsee i have a ubuntu livecd02:12
King_Crimsonand  wen i put it in02:12
thierryJdahl, before or after building?02:12
JDahlthierry, before02:12
King_Crimsonwen i try to go to the gui my monitor does not receive a video signal02:13
ellsanyone using netapplet, I need some assistance02:13
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aviroxhey02:13
aviroxhow do i make my root writeable to?02:13
King_Crimsonhello02:13
geppyHow can I build an .xml file that is like the "Latest Headlines" in Firefox?  I'd like to be able to have a drop-down of the latest updates to the sites that I visit (it's a pain to have a separate Live Bookmark for each one).02:14
geppyavirox:  Don't.02:14
ellsthat and is anyone familiar how I can burn my vob files to a dvd to play here at home02:14
aviroxgeppy, why?02:14
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thierryJDahl, wich file? the changelog?02:14
thr1cecan I choose a FS on ubuntu when installing?  or is there just a default02:14
King_Crimsonok guess none has ever had my problem02:14
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geppyavirox:  Because it defeats the whole point of.. not having it writable.  It's a terrible security risk.02:14
geppythr1ce:  There are many options, look around in the partition editor.02:14
techn9neKing_Crimson: warty or hoary?02:15
JDahlthierry, yes... I believe so02:15
King_Crimsonwarty02:15
aviroxgeppy,  only temporarily02:15
crimsunKing_Crimson: your problem description is far too vague02:15
geppythr1ce: There's ReiserFS, Ext2, Ext3, etc.02:15
techn9neKing_Crimson: file a bug report02:15
King_Crimsonhow?02:15
thr1ceif I have slackware installed, will it find that partition, and give me the option to use it?02:15
King_Crimsoni just dont htink my vid card is configured for linux02:15
crimsunKing_Crimson: you haven't told us anything about your hardware02:15
geppyavirox:  Well, if you *really* want to, you could do 'sudo chmod 777 /', but I still think that that's a bad way to do it.02:15
King_Crimsonit isnt recognizing it02:15
geppythr1ce:  It should.02:15
King_Crimsono rite02:15
ellsthat and is anyone familiar how I can burn my vob files to a dvd to play here at home02:15
King_Crimsonnvidia gforce fx5200 ultra02:15
aviroxgeppy,  and how would i make it writeable again?02:15
geppyavirox:  Why not just write whatever you're wanting to write as root?02:15
King_Crimsonpenitum 3, 1000mhz02:15
aviroxerr02:16
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geppyavirox:  Make it _un_writable again?02:16
thr1cewill it run as well as slackware?  someone told me i would see a huge decrease in speed (athlon 2100 with a gig of ram)02:16
aviroxcuz i cant log in as root in ubuntu02:16
aviroxfor some reason02:16
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aviroxwhen i try it says "that account cannot log in from here"02:16
crimsunKing_Crimson: the version of 'nv' in warty's livecd doesn't support the FX chipsets02:16
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thierryJDahl, crimson: and once tested, what is the command to create the .patch file?02:16
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geppyavirox:  You're not supposed to run as root.02:16
geppyavirox:  I don't think you're getting this security concept.02:16
aviroxlol02:16
aviroxk02:16
crimsunthierry: diff, then use dpatch to create the actual dpatch template02:16
aviroxis there a COPY command in bash?02:16
King_Crimsono0o0 ok so how do i run ubuntu?02:16
geppyKing_Crimson:  That's a terrible question.02:17
crimsunKing_Crimson: try with the livecd from array-602:17
crimsunKing_Crimson: see the topic02:17
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King_Crimsonwat u mean02:17
ellsthat and is anyone familiar how I can burn my vob files to a dvd to play here at home02:17
King_Crimsono ok02:17
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King_Crimsonill try that then02:17
geppyells:  Have you tried K3B?02:18
geppyells:  Nevermind.02:18
ellsI was told it wont work in hoary, that and these are vob files02:18
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geppyells:02:18
JDahlthierry, I dont know that one... I dont know if Debian uses something smarter than diff02:18
geppyells: K3B works fine for me in Hoary, but it doesn't have a video disc option.02:18
ellsI extracted the vobs, just need to burn them so they will work in my home dvd player02:18
veristeadso i assume no one can answer my question?02:18
crimsunveristead: patience goes a long way02:19
ellsgeppy: any ideas02:19
veristeadyea i know02:19
geppyells:  Google? =/02:19
veristeadsometimes i end up waiting for days for an answer02:19
veristeadand googleing for one and never finding one02:19
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JDahlveristead, have tried asking on the forum?02:20
techn9neveristead: try forums or mailing lists02:20
JDahlhave you...02:20
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veristeadno i have not02:20
geppyells:  Do you just have the .vob files?02:20
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veristeadi cnt say i have unfortunately02:21
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ellsgeppy: yes02:21
ellsI am gonna try to make a cd image and then burn it02:23
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geppyells: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Create_a_DVD02:25
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veristeadout of curiosity... i downloaded some a theme from freshmeat, how do i install it?02:25
geppyveristead:  There are lots of different kinds of themes.  Are you talking about a GNOME theme?02:26
ellsgeppy: thanks02:26
geppyells:  No problem.02:27
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veristeadyea geppy02:27
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veristeadgeppy this is the theme i am trying to install02:29
veristeadhttp://themes.freshmeat.net/projects/1in1-xp-gtk/02:29
veristeadthat one02:29
geppyveristead: Cool.02:30
geppyveristead: Desktop>Preferences>Themes02:30
veristeadany suggestions of how to install it anyone?02:30
thr1celooks like iceWM to me02:30
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veristeadgeppy yea i know...02:32
ellsgeppy: are you familiar with netapplet02:32
veristeadbut it won't install02:32
veristeadi am not sure if i am selecting the right file02:32
veristeadbut i think i am02:32
geppyells:  No, sorry.02:32
ellsit is installed but it is not working02:32
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Quaruptwow theres a sesame street techno remix02:34
geppyQuarupt:  clicky?02:34
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ellsanyone know about netapplet02:35
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Quaruptgeppy, huh?02:38
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pugiohey, how can I uninstall and purge and completely destroy Gnome and all of it's components02:38
geppyQuarupt:  Do you have a link for the song?02:38
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pugio?02:38
neomAnyone know how to get your feed added to planet ubuntu?02:38
geppypugio: erm, by not using Ubuntu?02:38
Quarupti got it on a p2p02:39
Quaruptgeppy, you use limewire?02:39
pugiogeppy:  I need to reinstall Gnome02:39
pugioUbuntu ahs been doing the strangest things02:39
geppyQuarupt: No, just aMule.02:39
Quaruptgeppy, its actually a pretty cool song02:39
pugiorandom pieces of gnome disappear02:39
eyequeuepugio:  this may be of use02:39
pugiofirst gdm disappears02:39
pugiothen teh control center02:39
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Quaruptgeppy, you might be able to find it on there  try sesame street remix, thats how i found it02:39
eyequeuepugio:  apt-get --reinstall install foo bar baz02:39
pugiojust, poof! the entire package disappears02:39
geppyQuarupt: Alright, thanks.02:39
eyequeuepugio:  where foo bar and baz are package names02:40
pugioeyequeue: so if I did apt-get --reinstall install gnome would it install EVERYTHING02:40
pugiobecause random pieces are now missing02:40
mdkei've noticed that the gnome menu in hoary can be edited by amending the /usr/share/applications/*.desktop files. Is there any user specific way to amend the gnome menu?02:40
pugioand I"m not sure what those pices are02:40
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eyequeuepugio:  no, it would only reinstall the pseudo-package gnome02:40
pugioeyequeue: ahh, then how to get everything?02:40
eyequeuepugio:  look, this will not produce a complete list, but it will probably come close02:40
eyequeuepugio:  okay?02:40
pugiosay! If I upgraded teh whole thing to Hoary would it put everything in place?02:41
veristeadso can anyone help me with installing themes02:41
SebaSOi can't install my Ubunto :( ?02:41
pugioeyequeue: ok :) and thanks (dpkg -l | grep gnome)02:41
veristeadi am relatively new to Linux02:41
mdkeveristead, yep wassup?02:41
pugioveristead: sure, just go to the computer menu02:41
SebaSOanyone can help me about install 02:41
eyequeuepugio:  dpkg -l gnome | grep ^ii | less02:41
mdkeSebaSO, what's the problem?02:41
aviroxhmm i got cedega installed but for some reason quake-based games are giving me flak, not being able to read from subdirs (IE glquake.exe gives me errors reading gfx.wad from ID1). Any ideas?02:41
SebaSOi can't install02:42
mdkeSebaSO, you need to be more specific02:42
eyequeuepugio:  yep :)  i just added a filter for the ones that are currently installed on your box02:42
johnnybezakcan't you install quake natively?02:42
SebaSOwhen i'm installing base packpages02:42
pugioeyequeue: if I upgraded the whole thing to hoary would it upgrade the entire gnome package (thereby replacing the missing stuff)02:42
mdkei've noticed that the gnome menu in hoary can be edited by amending the /usr/share/applications/*.desktop files. Is there any user specific way to amend the gnome menu?02:42
veristeadok so md5ke i downloaded this theme02:42
SebaSOthere are ever difents errors02:42
veristeadhttp://themes.freshmeat.net/projects/1in1-xp-gtk/02:42
eyequeuepugio:  if you'll be going to hoary anyway, knowing the risks, then ... yes, that will probably accomplish what you want, since i know there's a new gnome in hoary02:43
mdkeewwww02:43
aviroxdo i have to install games through cedega first in order to play them?02:43
pugioeyequeue: well, I know that Hoary appears to be pretty stable for most people, and Warty has been anything but02:43
geppyavirox:  Yes.02:43
mdkeveristead, it should be as simple as popping it in ~/.themes/02:43
aviroxaw crap02:43
aviroxhehe02:43
geppyavirox:  Why don't you go into #cedega?02:43
veristeadand now i have the file in my home directory  named '1in1-xp-gtk-default.tar.gz' and i dnt know wat else to do02:43
aviroxooh02:43
pugioeyequeue: as I said, ranomd pieces of gnome just....disappear02:43
veristeaddo i need to extract it first02:43
aviroxsorry :P02:43
veristeador do i throw that file in there02:43
mdkeveristead, yes02:43
eyequeuepugio:  btw, you seem to be fairly fluent in deb-based distros, right?02:43
geppyavirox: haha =)02:43
veristeadok02:43
SebaSOand when i check the cd.. every time there's errors02:44
mdkeveristead, go into .themes02:44
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pugioeyequeue: well, I've learned a lot since using Ubuntu but.... I'm ok with em02:44
mdkeveristead, and do tar zxf ../filename02:44
eyequeuepugio:  i only caution agsinst hoary for someone that doens't know how to dig themself out of a disaster that could occur tomorrow :)02:44
mdkeveristead, but that theme is seriously wrong02:44
SebaSOthis happend with all my cd's i got 20 shiped by Conanical02:44
eyequeuepugio:  well, your dpkg -l | grep told me you were fluent enough :)02:45
mdkeSebaSO, this is after you have rebooted for the first time?02:45
pugioeyequeue: well, it's for a friend, and you can't get any worse than having GNome go completely crazy on ya - but yeah, I can dig him out through vnc and ssh02:45
eyequeuepugio:  cool02:45
pugioeyequeue: well, I've been learing about debian prety fast - I like the dpkg system02:45
SebaSOnop, it's while i'm installing by frist time02:45
eyequeuepugio:  plus, you'll still have net access and can get here, if you really need more help02:45
mdkeSebaSO, maybe ubuntu is not ready for your hardware02:46
mdkeSebaSO, have a look on the hardware wiki and see if there are any errors reported. If not, then file a bug. Is this warty you are installing?02:46
pugioeyequeue: exactly, so... to upgrade to hoary I just replace all of my package sources from warty to hoary? (s/warty/hoary/02:46
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SebaSOi've MSI K7 DElta2  with Nforce2 chipset02:46
eyequeuepugio:  i'm just always a bit cautious about blanketly advising hoary, since those newbies lurking might be tempted :)02:46
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SebaSOyes warty 4.1002:47
pugioeyequeue: ahh, well as I said, it can't get any worse than thi02:47
eyequeuepugio:  exactly, and then a sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade (you need that dist this time)02:47
pugioeyequeue: I thought that might be the case - thanks a bunch! here goes nothing02:47
eyequeuedist- calls in some more drastic resolution routines02:48
SebaSOmdke: where i can see on wiki about my hardware02:48
SebaSO?02:48
mdkehang on02:48
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mdkehttp://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupport02:48
SebaSOmdke: i think something can happend with my HDD02:50
thierrycrimson: what is the exact command to create a .patch file?02:50
SebaSOwhat kind of problems do you know have relation with HDDs?02:50
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SebaSOmkde: all my hardware is supported !02:51
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hyphenhowdy02:52
eyequeuethierry:  man diff, you're probably looking for diff foo bar > file.patch02:52
hypheni was wondering if someone could help me with something02:52
eyequeuehyphen:  ?02:53
hypheni just installed ubuntu as per my friend's recommendation and i'm totally new to linux02:53
hypheneverythings working fine, but my web browsing is pertty slow.  it takes upwards of 10-20 seconds to resolve the host02:54
eyequeuehyphen:  welcome02:54
hyphenthanks :P02:54
hyphensomeone suggested popping my isp dns into the network settings, but i called comcast and they said that "comcast isn't compatible with linux"02:54
eyequeuehyphen:  sounds like you may have a bum nameserver in your path?  how are you connected to the outside?02:54
hyphenwhich i found to be total baloney02:54
hyphencable modem >> router02:55
SebaSOeyequeue: why when i'm checking my cds in the install, look like all them are corrupt ?02:55
eyequeuehyphen:  lol, you are correct on that02:55
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eyequeueSebaSO:  maybe they are?  i con't know that from here02:55
hypheni called comcast again and asked for name server, but they said that comcast's nameservers were dynamic02:55
hyphennot sure if that's true or not or how i could get around this :/02:56
eyequeuehang on02:56
hyphenokie doke02:56
pugiohey how long would an upgrade from warty to hoary take assuming a standard verizon dsl connection?02:56
pugio(ie. about 100 KB/s and athalon 2800+)02:56
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mike998pugio: took me about 2 hours (ish)02:57
pugioah ok, thanks02:57
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SebaSOeyequeue: i got about 20 cd's from shipit.ubutulinux.org ... do you think all them can be corrupt ?03:01
eyequeueprobably not03:01
SebaSOi'll tray to install it on another pc... and cry !03:02
SebaSOthx all the way !!03:02
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ellshey to make an iso for a dvd. what parts of the dvd do I have to rip out03:07
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SebaSOi quest if i can install form a iso image on my HDD?03:08
SebaSOhello03:10
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pugiohey, I'm trying to upgrade to hoary, but it keeps stalling at a certain point03:11
pugioGet:13 http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/multiverse Release [99B] 03:11
pugio99% [Connecting to apt.cerkinfo.be (164.15.125.10)] 03:11
pugioit can't connect to apt.cerkinfo.be03:11
phesterhow do i mount a windows partition so i can copy files?03:11
pugioso the whole process dies03:11
pugioCould not connect to apt.cerkinfo.be:80 (164.15.125.10), connection timed out03:11
pugionow I'm stuck in the middle of an upgrade03:11
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pugioapt.cerkinfo.be is not connectable03:14
phesterno one who can tell me how to get access to a windows partition so I can copy files?03:14
dazed_on same box?03:14
eyequeuepugio:  if you rerun that command, will it try another machine?03:14
pugiono, it just does that one again ("that command" is that whole upgrade thing that we said before)03:14
phesterdazed_, different disk03:14
eyequeuepugio:  yeah03:15
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dazed_it should be listed as one of ur devices03:15
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dazed_just like another drive our mount03:15
dazed_should be hda2 or something to that nature03:15
eyequeuepugio:  "host archive.ubuntu.com"03:15
dazed_phester the /dev directory is where u can find them03:16
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danixhi03:16
phesterok03:16
eyequeuepugio:  i get a completely different machine from apt.cerkinfo.be here03:16
pugiohmmm03:17
pugiowellErr http://apt.cerkinfo.be unstable/main Packages03:17
pugio  Could not connect to apt.cerkinfo.be:80 (164.15.125.10), connection timed out03:17
pugio77% [Connecting to apt.cerkinfo.be (164.15.125.10)] 03:17
eyequeuepugio:  comment that line out in your sources.list for now03:17
crimsunpugio: just comment it out03:17
eyequeuepugio: whatever is hosted there, you can add it back in tomorrow when the box is up03:18
phesterdazed_, I was told that you have to mount it first!03:18
phesterno idea how?03:18
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pugioeyequeue: well, it's going now, thanks03:19
eyequeuepugio:  np03:19
pugioeyequeue: we shall see what else lays in store03:19
dazed_phester ...goto ur terminal /mnt <device>03:20
stazichi have problem playing my audio CDs, mp3s work but not the cd... does anyone know what could be the problem?03:20
dazed_you shouldnt have to mount it though03:20
dazed_it sould mount it when booting03:20
haydenwhat do the parameters -o and umask=0 do when you mount a drive?03:20
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danixmissing a extract cable audio maybe?03:20
dazed_hayden man mnt03:21
haydenok03:21
phesterI dont find any thing under /dev03:21
eyequeuehayden:  man mount even :)03:21
hyphennameservers can't be dynamic, can they?03:22
dazed_im not too good at mounting devices so...type man mnt in the command to read up on it03:22
dazed_'man mnt'03:22
eyequeuedazed_:  mount, not mnt03:22
stazichwell i am not sure really... it is an iMac.. playback of CDs worked fine with OS9, but when i put ubuntu on the cdplayer identifies audio cd, starts playing the tracks, connects to CDDB etc. but NO SOUND... could it be codec or whatever else issue?03:22
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Quaruptwhy cant i just do apt-get install kubuntu03:22
dazed_yes your right eyeque03:22
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Potato-Greencan anyone help me? im having problems on the install of ubuntu03:23
RiddellQuarupt: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop03:24
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dazed_Quarupt next ttime apt-cache search <file> to get propper file name03:24
Quaruptwell i was just asking cause i thought we had to get the array 6 cd03:25
dazed_oh ok03:25
jeff_where can i find some cool linux games03:25
hypheni hate being a newb03:25
hyphenlol03:25
waseemHi I am using gtkpod for my iPod. It doesn't seem to be working so I want to disconnect my iPod. It is displaying the message "Do not disconnect", how can I make it safe to disconnect the iPod without corrupting any files on the computer or ipod. Thanks.03:25
Potato-Greenwhen I install unbuntu, it stops after a little while and i need help fixing it03:26
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jeff_Potato-Green, mabey your install cd is damaged03:26
dazed_whens it stop>03:26
Potato-Greenlemme check03:26
Potato-GreenACPI03:26
dazed_do you get through the cd part?03:26
Potato-Greenshould i turn it off?03:26
Potato-Greendazed_03:26
Potato-Greenit works03:26
dazed_so you didnt even get started03:27
Potato-Greenlike it extracts and all03:27
Potato-Greenyeah03:27
dazed_it extracts all from cd...then asks to reboot and then does it keep going from there?03:27
Potato-Greenno03:27
Potato-Greenit stops at acpi03:27
Potato-Greenshould i do acpi=off?03:27
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dazed_you can try that...did you remove cd from drive?03:27
Potato-Greenno03:28
dazed_well...03:28
dazed_do that03:28
dazed_lol03:28
dazed_and try it03:28
Potato-Greenokay it went through03:28
Potato-Greenwith acpi=off03:28
dazed_ok03:28
Quaruptis kubuntu pretty stable?03:28
dazed_it was trying to read cd03:28
Potato-Greenlol i hate being a n00b03:28
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dazed_on the unpacking process03:28
Potato-Greenoh ok03:28
zenroxQuarupt,  just as stable as hoary03:28
diegohi all03:28
Quaruptcool03:28
diegoi guess there's no Macromedia Flash (creator) for linux, what are my alternatives?03:29
dazed_wine03:29
Quaruptanyone know a good beat maker, like Ejay Frootyloops and Reason, but for linux?03:29
dazed_and then03:29
dazed_try and install flash03:29
dazed_see if it works03:29
RiddellQuarupt: it's in the transition from kde 3.3 to 3.403:29
diegodazed_: i'd rather go open-source if possible03:29
bob2there was one03:29
bob2called rebirth03:29
bob2but the author took it down03:29
dazed_diego: best thing to do is google03:29
eyequeuediego:  google, freshmeat, sourceforge, ...03:30
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diegoand search for what?03:30
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bob2that's not that useful advice03:30
bob2most useful software is already in ubuntu03:30
diegomaybe i shouldn't be using flash at all03:30
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diegoi don't care about using it on the web03:30
diegobesides a simple slide show, what else is there?03:31
eyequeuediego:  that to me is the most open-source-y solution :)03:31
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dazed_search for Linux Flash Apps03:31
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hyphenoy.  anyone care to help me with my internet connection & ubuntu?03:31
diegohyphen: what's the problem?03:32
hyphenwell eyequeu tried to help me already.  basically, everytime i try to browse a website, it takes a very long time to resolve the host03:32
hyphendownloading the actual page happens very quickly03:32
dazed_hyphen u on a network>03:32
dazed_?03:33
hyphenyeah03:33
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hyphenone of 2 machines in a lan03:33
dazed_windows network>?03:33
edgarinhello03:33
zenroxhyphen, have you put your routers ip addy in the dns server list03:33
diegoso basically i need something more visually appealing than a presentation, and it should have layers...03:33
hyphenthe routers ip address is already in03:33
dazed_is the 2nd machine windows machine?03:33
zenroxok03:33
hyphenyes dazed03:33
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aviroxcrap03:33
hyphena wireless connection03:33
aviroxi screwed something up in ubuntu03:33
dazed_ok well u need samba03:33
diegohyphen: "very long"? seconds or minutes?03:33
hyphenseconds03:34
hyphenusually around 20 seconds03:34
hyphenwhat's samba?03:34
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dazed_hyphen: use synaptic select all packages scroll down to samba and install03:34
eyequeuedazed_:  but his concern is that dns resolution is slow, for the internet, not for the lan03:34
diegodazed_: did you even READ what samba said?03:34
hyphenah, okay, i'll try that03:34
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diegodazed_: samba is a microsoft file-sharing protocol03:34
aviroxbrb03:34
diegohyphen: stop03:34
hyphenack03:34
hyphenk03:34
dazed_diego03:34
hyphen?03:34
diegodazed_: slow dns resolution != microsoft filesharing03:34
dazed_diego: it helps configure the internet onnectino if the machine hosting the conn is microsoft03:35
dazed_trust me i did it last night03:35
edgarin[root@maquina1 root]  # apt-get install swat03:35
edgarinReading Package Lists... Done03:35
edgarinBuilding Dependency Tree... Done03:35
edgarinThe following extra packages will be installed:03:35
edgarin  samba03:35
edgarinThe following NEW packages will be installed:03:35
edgarin  samba swat03:35
dazed_same prob03:35
edgarin0 upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove and 6 not upgraded.03:35
bob2edgarin: please don't paste in here03:35
edgarinNeed to get 0B/6239kB of archives.03:35
edgarinAfter unpacking 15.1MB of additional disk space will be used.03:35
edgarinDo you want to continue? [Y/n]  y03:35
edgarinPreconfiguring packages ...03:35
edgarinSelecting previously deselected package samba.03:35
pablo928diego: had the same problem...changed to a different router and now no problem.03:35
edgarin(Reading database ... 85971 files and directories currently installed.)03:35
edgarinUnpacking samba (from .../samba_3.0.7-1ubuntu6.3_i386.deb) ...03:35
edgarinSelecting previously deselected package swat.03:35
edgarinUnpacking swat (from .../swat_3.0.7-1ubuntu6.3_i386.deb) ...03:35
diegoedgarin: wtf stop03:35
edgarinSetting up samba (3.0.7-1ubuntu6.3) ...03:35
edgarin * Starting Samba daemons..                                              [fail] 03:35
edgarininvoke-rc.d: initscript samba, action "start" failed.03:35
edgarindpkg: error processing samba (--configure):03:35
edgarin subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 103:36
edgarindpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of swat:03:36
edgarin swat depends on samba (= 3.0.7-1ubuntu6.3); however:03:36
hyphenthat's why this chan needs ops :P03:36
edgarin  Package samba is not configured yet.03:36
dazed_no pasting03:36
edgarindpkg: error processing swat (--configure):03:36
edgarin dependency problems - leaving unconfigured03:36
dazed_jeeze03:36
edgarinErrors were encountered while processing:03:36
edgarin samba03:36
diegowow03:36
edgarin swat03:36
edgarinE: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)03:36
edgarincan you help me?03:36
edgarinis a proble with samba03:36
diegook let me scroll up 300 pages03:36
edgarindiego: ok03:36
dazed_edgarin: dont paste in here use  a paste bin03:36
diegonow that he's being ignored03:36
edgarindiego: can you help me?03:36
edgarinaja..03:36
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diegohyphen: tell me about the physical topology of your network03:36
hyphenthe microsoft box is conencted via wireless connection03:37
haydeni just installed warty03:37
haydeninstalled samba,03:37
ellsis anyone familiar on how to make .img files in linux03:37
haydenhow do i mount a smb share?03:37
ellsI was told that is the way to copy dvds03:37
hyphenand im straight into the router03:37
zenroxhayden,  read www.ubuntuguide.org on how to mount a smb share03:37
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diegohyphen: so just a regular router feeding 2 nodes03:38
edgarinCan you help me?03:38
hyphenyep03:38
diegohyphen: and this router is not made by microsoft?03:38
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edgarinhyphen: can you help me?03:39
hypheniit's an airlink router03:39
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hyphenedgarin: i'd love to, but i'm a newb and need help myself03:39
diegohyphen: ok, so samba is definitely not applicable03:39
hyphenah03:39
diegohyphen: your linux box is plugged in with an ethernet cable to the router, then?03:39
nialli'm a newbie also.  I need help in getting a logitech quickcam to work03:39
pablo928hyphen: can you bypass your router?03:40
hyphendiego: yeah.03:40
johnnybezakguys I need to make a bunch of thumbnails is there a cli program that i can use? (so that I can just do them all at once, instead of manually which would be a pain)03:40
hyphenpablo: not sure, let me try03:40
ellsis anyone familiar on how to make .img files in linux03:40
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pablo928diego: had the same problem as hyphen....had to change routers.03:41
diegohyphen: ok, /msg me the output of `ifconfig -a` please03:41
diegojohnnybezak: look into imagemagick03:41
diegoi think imagemagick's 'convert' program can do that03:41
johnnybezakdiego: ok thanks03:41
ellsis anyone familiar on how to make .img files in linux03:41
diegopablo928: i heard you the first time but that hardly seems like the logical solution right now :)03:42
eyequeuetouch foo.img, lol03:42
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diegoeyequeue: haha03:42
hyphendiego: it says command not found03:42
eyequeueells:  what is it?03:42
diegohyphen: as root (`sudo ifconfig -a`)03:42
ellseyequeue, I am trying to maka a viewable dvd for my player03:42
hyphentried, it gave me the same03:42
ellsusing vobs03:42
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hyphenPassword:03:42
hyphensudo: ipconfig: command not found03:42
hyphenhyphen@ubuntu:~ $03:42
diegoi said ifconfig, ipconfig is M$03:43
aviroxok I'm not exactly sure how I did this, but now whenever i load up ubuntu I'm stuck in a dos-text terminal03:43
eyequeueells:  okay, the reason i ask is, filename extensions don't mean much in linux, so file type is a bit more informative03:43
hyphenoy03:43
aviroxi think it happened when i accidentally pressed ctrl_alt+backspace while in the OS03:43
aviroxI dont know how to get out of it tho :/03:43
ellseyequeue, what would you suggest03:43
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eyequeueells:  "touch foo.img" would make one, but it sure would not be what you wanted :)  if i knew more ab out dvd creation, i could help better.  let me look at something, but meanwhile, someone else may know03:44
ellsokay03:44
aviroxi'm stuck in a  text console basically03:44
cocolavirox: startx03:45
aviroxi just type that in?03:45
ellsis anyone familiar with dvdrip03:45
aviroxafter logging in?03:45
Xappeavirox, yes03:45
aviroxthank you very much!03:46
eyequeueells:  actually, let me give you the command i just ran, "apt-cache search dvd | less"  scroll through that output and see which might seem best for you03:46
neighborlee:(need suggsetion...I need to be able to get the latest ( 6629 ) nvidia but ..when I try to dpkg nvida-glx for that version..it complain about missing nvidai-kernel-6629..and sadly that one is only a virtual package.....what now ? :(((( ( I must use new one a I've having errors in my app with 6111)03:46
cocolyeap avirox03:46
ellseyequeue, cool03:46
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cocolas user avirox03:47
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stazichi have problem playing my audio CDs, mp3s work but not the cd... does anyone know what could be the problem?03:50
aviroxstarx didnt work03:50
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haydeni've installed samba, but when i do sudo smbmount... it says command not found smbmount?03:50
aviroxi got "command not found"03:50
avirox:/03:50
avirox*startx03:50
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Hell-Razorhey guys i was just wondering how advanced is ubuntu.. i migrated from gentoo to fedora, now im looking for a better distro than fedora because yum totally sucks.03:51
haydendw i found03:51
cocoltry "shutdown" and rstart03:51
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bear_afktrying to decide what OS to install on my amd64 server - does ubuntu work correctly on amd64?03:52
aviroxcocol: i tried reboot and logout03:52
aviroxwould "shutdown" make a difference?03:52
_phate_is there away to access audio on a CD digitally like you can in windows?03:52
cocolshutdown or halt03:52
cocoltry it avirox03:53
timsI have amd64 and switched to i386 distro due to issues03:53
aviroxk03:53
bear_afktims: thanks - and the i386 runs cleanly?03:53
timsyes, i386 is nice.. esp. hoary03:53
tizenhey guys... How can I optimize my ubuntu system with an ATI Radeon 8500, i find many graphics things are using a ton of CPU, so I'm getting it's software based03:54
bear_afkthanks03:54
timsthe amd64 works for most things, but I'll wait for others to straighten it out03:54
aviroxok cocol03:54
cocolsucceedd?03:54
bear_afktims: yea, I don't have the free time to be a hardware tester ;)03:54
_phate_crap peer got another...03:54
tizenAlso, often i leave my computer for a while and when i come back Gaim is dead03:55
_phate_I'd love to be a hardware tester, I have plenty of time, provided that the hardware is free ;)03:55
bear_afk:)03:56
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bear_afkhmm, is there a place to download hoary - or is it going to be an apt-get session after a warty install?03:56
tizenbear_afk: topic03:56
_phate_iirc its a new cd03:56
tizenthe array-6 one03:56
Hell-Razoris the ubuntu a gui install?03:56
bear_afkgaa - yea, just saw the topic - tanks03:56
diegoHell-Razor: not really03:57
diegoHell-Razor: it's menu-driven though03:57
timsyou could use array 6 but I'd start with array 5 of hoary03:57
timsfewer issues03:57
Hell-Razordiego: is it like pritty easy to use? or do you have to tell it "this is my hd, this is where its located, ect" like in gentoo installation03:57
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tizentims: what kind of issues?03:58
tizenI just installed it03:58
timsor start with warty, don't update until after you change sources.lst to hoary03:58
diegoHell-Razor: there is no gentoo installation. heh.03:58
timsDon't remember exactly.. I'm from warty.. but folks keep popping in here with array 6 install probs03:58
diegoHell-Razor: yeah it's very easy. the only part that's only slightly a pain is if you want to do a custom partitioning scheme03:58
Hell-Razordiego: im just trying to say, does it mostly auuto detect stuff03:58
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bear_afkthanks for the info03:59
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Hell-Razordiego: alright03:59
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diegoHell-Razor: and there's always in here if you run into troubles, but it really shouldn't be an issue, specially if you've done a gentoo install03:59
bluefoxicyhey03:59
timsonly issue I've had was a Geforce 6800 under warty.. but it's documented.. works hassle-free with hoary04:00
bluefoxicyubuntu's installer won't choke on 64 megs of memory will ti?04:00
Hell-Razordiego: is there a need to print out the how-to for installation04:00
diegoHell-Razor: i didn't even know of one heh04:00
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Hell-Razordiego: alright...i guess thats a good sign....15 seconds till i burn the bitch04:00
diegoHell-Razor: if you plan on wiping the entire drive and you know your hardware works, you should only have to hit next a few times04:00
knucksis there a way to alt+ctrl+del a prog in linux?04:01
timssudo kill -9 :)04:01
Hell-Razordiego: i have two harddrive i want to copletly whipe out04:01
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fr500hey04:01
tizenbluefoxicy: Shouldn't... Debian's didn't.04:01
_phate_I wouldn't do the three finger salute in linux, you'll only reboot your sys04:01
BronchoHi, I am new to linuz and I have an ATI graphics card. I was getting an error about/.ICEauthority saying it cant boot but now Gnome boots and then freezes up complelty when I move the mouse around04:01
fr500hello04:01
andrewskiknucks: or gnome-system-monitor04:01
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andrewskiknucks: i'm back if you still need help; sorry about that.04:01
fr500anyone has been able to create audio disk with gnomebaker?04:01
ellsanyone have experience with copying your average video dvds04:01
knucksandrewski: naw i got it04:02
ellsthat will play on your home dvd player04:02
Hell-Razordiego: harddrive(s)04:02
knucksrunning hoary now04:02
knuckshow do i launch the gnome thing u just said?04:02
fr500let me rephrase to proper english04:02
diegoHell-Razor: not sure what it does at that point, but i think it'll automatically wipe one for sure04:02
fr500has anyone been able to create audio disks with gnomebaker?04:02
fr500mine freezes at the converting part04:03
timsis the ubuntu update manager in warty?04:03
andrewskiknucks: good :)  didn't mean to bail; my girlfriend came over (unexpectedly) and we needed to have a talk.  you need to install gnome-system-monitor, don't know if it is by default.04:03
Hell-Razordiego: heh alright...have you ever installed fedora?04:03
diegoHell-Razor: i guess just let it do its thing and then wipe the other one manually once you've booted into your machine04:03
diegoHell-Razor: no, closes thing is RH904:03
diegoclosest*04:03
knuckshow do i do it then andrewski?04:03
ellsanyone have experience with copying your average video dvds04:03
Bronchoanyone have any ideas on my problems with the freeszing?04:03
Hell-Razordiego: alright well is it that strait forward for install? im just trying to see what im getting myself into04:03
andrewskiknucks: uh, i think it's in the menus... applications | system?04:03
diegoHell-Razor: i really think you'll be fine04:04
Bronchoells only on windows havnt had a chan ce on linux yet04:04
OddAbe19has anyone experienced a 'super applications' menu in Hoary? it seems like my Debian merged with all other menus04:04
diegoHell-Razor: it's exactly like a windows xp install in difficulty04:04
Hell-Razordiego: lol alright...by computer is going down now...i shuold be back in not too long =)04:04
andrewskiknucks: or `gnome-system-monitor`04:04
Hell-Razordiego: wow thats pritty simple04:04
tizenHey, if I install xorg-driver-fglrx with synaptic does it add it all to the X server?04:04
diegoHell-Razor: ~40 minutes on a pentium3 fyi04:04
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ellsBroncho, yeap, I can burn dvd material, but not able to play it in my dvd player04:05
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Bronchowhat type of dvd playter?04:05
Hell-Razordiego: i run a amd 64(but not gunna use 64bit installation) 3700+ pc4400 1 gig ddr2 ram04:05
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fr500hmmm04:05
fr500noone?04:05
knucksAndrewski: got it04:05
knucksthanks04:05
aviroxcocol didnt work04:05
avirox:/04:05
calcgood waste of processor power running i386 on an amd64 :)04:05
aviroxI'm still stuck in text mode04:05
diegoHell-Razor: should be about half a second by my calculations04:05
ellsanyone have experience with copying your average video dvds04:05
diegoheh04:05
Hell-Razorcalc: yea but 32bit emulation totaly BLOWS so far04:05
aviroxor whatever the hell it is04:05
diegoor maybe 20-30 minutes04:05
errrells: I use k3b for doing it04:06
calcHell-Razor: works fine if you know what you are doing :)04:06
OddAbe19has anyone experienced a 'super applications' menu in Hoary? it seems like my Debian merged with all other menus04:06
knuckshm this is weird04:06
knucksi cant seem to close limewire04:06
johnnybezakhey guys04:06
knucksbut itsnot listed04:06
calcand so far i have only needed it once04:06
Hell-Razorcalc: hrm really? people told me not to do it cause its hella pain04:06
andrewskiknucks: no problem; i don't really use it (prefer kill(all)), but it's nice to have around04:06
haydenhas anyone got a link on how to get mplayer working in warty04:06
calcHell-Razor: there is very little need for 32bit support04:06
andrewskiknucks: try `killall -9 limewire`04:06
Hell-Razorcalc: gaming04:06
timscalc: true, but honestly it's decently fast anyway04:06
fr500hayden, it works, in command line mode04:06
calci only used it for tracking down compiler issues04:06
errrwith an ATI radeon 7500 any ideas why Xorg would lock up with mouse movement04:06
knucksno process killed..04:06
fr500hayden, you have to get source for it to have a gui04:06
knucksbut its sitting in the bottom bar :/04:06
haydenyea04:07
calctims: well amd64 arch is much faster when not running in i386 mode04:07
haydenneed to add mirilliat to sources list04:07
calcat least the athlon chips are, i hear the prescotts are actually slower most of the time04:07
fr500oh whats that04:07
andrewskiknucks: hmm.  i've heard bad things about it... in general.04:07
fr500where can i find those repos04:07
OddAbe19has anyone experienced a 'super applications' menu in Hoary? it seems like my Debian merged with all other menus04:07
haydenbut i dont know the exact address or something04:07
cocolavirox, :(04:07
fr500hayden i built from source, no big deal04:07
knuckseh ill end up turning off my pc for tonigh ti guess04:08
aviroxcan anyone else help me? I'm stuck in a bash text-only console, and even when i reboot that's all i see. startx gets me "command not found" =/04:08
errravirox: install an xserver04:08
haydenok04:08
errrwith an ATI radeon 7500 any ideas why Xorg would lock up with mouse movement04:08
aviroxerrr how?04:09
errrman apt-get04:09
Xappeavirox, warty or hoary?04:09
aviroxhoary04:09
IRCMonkeyAnyone know about Ubuntu support for winmodems?  Specifically, a D-Link DFM-5621S HSFi PCI (according to winxp).04:09
haydenfr500, i found the website http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=18443&highlight=mplayer04:09
Xappeavirox, apt-get install xserver-xorg04:09
diegoIRCMonkey: get off dial-up :)04:09
Xappeavirox, use sudo04:09
fr500hayden, thanks04:10
hyphenIn case anyone wants to know, diego = god.  lol, disabling the ipv6 fixed my entire problem04:10
aviroxXappe can i do that even if i m not connected to the net?04:10
errrXappe: should you apt-get build-dep xserver-xorg  first?04:10
diegohyphen is referring to disabling ipv6 in about:config in firefox04:10
hyphenyes, indeed04:10
diegoheh04:10
IRCMonkeyyeah,thanks diego.  Seriously though, is it worth even thinking about it?04:10
errravirox: no.04:10
Potato-Greenwow04:11
OddAbe19has anyone experienced a 'super applications' menu in Hoary? it seems like my Debian merged with all other menus04:11
Xappeavirox, do you have a hoary cd?04:11
aviroxyes04:11
Potato-Greeni like that firefox is installed automatically on warty04:11
diegoIRCMonkey: i'm not sure, i started using linux sometime in the summer and i was on broadband at the time...try appending +linux to your model number and searching google04:11
Xappeavirox, then you should be able to apt-get from the cd04:11
aviroxah ok04:11
aviroxthanx04:11
fr500so noone uses gnomebaker?04:11
aviroxafter i do that then what do i do?04:11
aviroxtype in "startx" ?04:11
IRCMonkeycheers diego04:11
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Xappeavirox, probably04:12
aviroxheh k04:12
aviroxthx04:12
diegoavirox: is gnome installed?04:12
knucksaight good night everyone04:13
aviroxdiego i think so04:13
aviroxi got into this mess by pressing alt+ctrl+backspace04:13
avirox(i think)04:13
timsis there expose for gnome?04:14
OddAbe19has anyone experienced a 'super applications' menu in Hoary? it seems like my Debian merged with all other menus04:14
Xappeavirox, ctrl+alt+backspace should just restart x04:14
andrewskitims: there's a program like it... search expose linux and maybe you'll get it...04:14
hypheni've got another question, this is more on personal opinion though04:15
diegowow my internet just crapped itself for a sec04:15
Potato-Greencan anyone tell me where i can get the wallpaper on baham's post on http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=18430&page=3&pp=1004:15
Potato-Green?04:15
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johnnybezakhey guys i've got a bunch of files called like filename.jpg.* how can I change them all to *.jpg (so instead of filename.jpg.1 to 1.jpg etc.)04:15
diegoavirox: did you try a `sudo init 5` ? heh04:15
aviroxXappe didnt for me hehe04:15
hyphenwhat would you folks recommend for running windows apps?04:15
aviroxdiego wuzzat?04:15
cocolOddAbe19, sudo remove xdp?04:15
andrewskigo for it hyphen :)04:15
diegoOddAbe19: if you're talking about Applications -> Debian, i have one of those04:15
johnnybezakhypen: what do you want to run04:15
hyphenive heard of wine, but i'd like to hear what you folks prefer04:15
hyphenwell, mainly my 3d applications04:15
hyphenmaya 6.5 and 3d studio maxc04:16
OddAbe19i have debian menu, it was fine till about a month ago when it seems like it merged into all other menus04:16
aviroxdiego should i use that?04:16
OddAbe19i have a screenie04:16
fr500hyphen, windows?04:16
diegoavirox: switch runlevel 5 (5 is gui and stuff)04:16
fr500xp04:16
hyphenalso photoshop and i'd like to be able to watch my encoded videos04:16
diegoavirox: switch to*04:16
OddAbe19http://home.comcast.net/~amsilveira/screenie.jpg04:16
johnnybezakhyphen: give wine a crack04:16
fr500hyphen, seriously crossover office is nice enough04:16
hyphenah04:16
Potato-Greenwhere can i get themes for ubuntu?04:16
johnnybezakhyphen: you can probably watch those vids with linuxx04:16
hyphenive tried04:17
aviroxdiego so i just type that in and i get back? :o04:17
johnnybezakPotato-Green: gnome-look.org04:17
Potato-Greenthanks04:17
diegoOddAbe19: hmm..sucks...04:17
hyphenmost of them are divx media files04:17
OddAbe19diego, yeah04:17
diegoavirox: with a bit of luck04:17
aviroxO.o04:17
aviroxk, thanks guys, will try ^^04:17
johnnybezakhyphen: try installing mplayer, get the extra codecs of f their web page should work fine04:17
Bronchoanyone that can help me with ATI card, it seems to be why my computer is freezing up04:17
hyphenjohnnybezak: got a url for me?04:17
johnnybezakhyphen: mplayerhq.hu :)04:18
haydenOddAbe19, what was that dock on the screenshot called?04:18
johnnybezakhyphen: mplayer is in multiverse though04:18
OddAbe19not a dock, just a panel04:18
hyphenin laymen's terms?04:18
OddAbe19set clear04:18
johnnybezakhyphen: you'll only need to get the extra codecs04:18
hyphenoh04:18
diegohyphen: have you been to http://ubuntuguide.org? it's got a ton of stuff you might want, including divx playback stuff04:18
johnnybezakhyphen: hehe you can synaptic mpayer04:18
hyphenoh sweet04:18
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fr500johnnybezak, that version is gui-less04:19
hyphenim still getting used to synaptic and apt04:19
Hell-Razorcould somebody help me out04:19
johnnybezakfr500: no it's not04:19
fr500lol04:19
fr500yes it is04:19
johnnybezakfr500: gmplayer04:19
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fr500oh, well that gui is not good for me04:19
Hell-Razori downlaoded and burnt the ubuntu cd, buwt when i go to install it it says " this is an un-ubuntu cd please enter it intot he cdrom "04:19
fr500mplayer has a very nice gui04:19
johnnybezakfr500: gmplayer is the gui, you can get more skins off freshmeat or the mplayer website04:20
haydenfr500, is there a way to customize keyboard keys e.g. to turn up the volume using the up arrow etc04:20
diegoHell-Razor: "when i go to install it"?04:20
hyphenthis has got to be the most informative irc chan i've ever been to, har.04:20
fr500hayden, not sure, i use xine04:20
haydenok04:20
Hell-Razordiego: auito boot form the cd to install ubuntu04:20
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Potato-Greendoes anyone know where i can get the wallpaper from -baHam-'s post on http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=18430&page=3&pp=10 ?04:21
Hell-Razordiego: do i need debian as a base or something then install it?04:21
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hyphenbetter to give than to recieve :P04:21
andrewskidiego: it's a fun transition. :)04:21
diegoHell-Razor: uh..no, ubuntu doesn't depend on anything04:21
haydenis there a list of support wifi cards?04:22
CygnusX1Is array6??? ready for use?04:22
haydensupported*04:22
Hell-Razordiego: well wtf it said that its an un-ubuntu cd04:22
diegoHell-Razor: are you sure it didn't say "Press enter"? and what is un-ubuntu?04:22
Potato-Greenthe wallpaper in this actually - http://img71.exs.cx/img71/3006/Screenshot13.jpg04:22
Potato-Greenanyone know where i can get that?04:22
hyphenhell-razor did you boot from your cd-rom?04:23
Hell-Razordiego: yes because it said that i need to delete and mount the cd once again04:23
Hell-Razorhyphen: yes04:23
diegoHell-Razor: what's the filename of the iso you burned?04:23
diegoHell-Razor: also, do you know if you hardware works with linux?04:24
Hell-Razordiego: warty-realease-install-1386.iso04:24
Hell-Razordiego: well im running linux right now so yes04:24
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fr500hyphen, very informative, but today noone has helped me on gnomebaker04:24
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andrewskiPotato-Green: oh, that's andidas, i think.  i used to have that one...04:24
andrewskiPotato-Green: i've seen that one too; look on forum.xfce.org in the art section; someone posted about icon themes....04:25
hyphenfr500: ah, i wish i could help.  i'm still trying to get used to using linux04:25
Potato-Greenokay04:25
Potato-Greenthanks04:25
fr500hyphen, same here04:25
diegoHell-Razor: interesting04:25
diegoHell-Razor: so it did that right away or when it was detecting hardware?04:25
andrewskiPotato-Green: sorry i can't be of more help.04:26
Xappefr500, i'm using graveman since it's present in the hoary repos (though you have to recompile it for mp3-support)04:26
Hell-Razordiego: um it was the step afer i selected american english or something like that04:26
fr500Xappe, thx, gnomebaker burns just fine for data, the problem is the conversion part04:26
carthikI have a problem with the Keyboard on my laptop, each time I restart X, or the laptop, some keys don't work04:26
fr500Xappe, i'll give it a try04:26
hyphenso, what should i use for playing back mp3s?04:26
Xappehyphen, xmms maybe?04:27
Potato-Greennaw andrewski you helped alot04:27
diegoi use xmms or beep media player04:27
carthikTo make the keys work again, i have to go to preferences->keyboard and change from 104-key layout to 105-key layout or vice-versa04:27
carthikwhy is this so?04:27
hyphenah04:27
hypheni'll check out xmms04:27
Hell-Razordiego: i dont know what to do04:27
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diegoHell-Razor: yeah i'm thinking, i'm thinking04:27
fr500hyphen, try beep-media-player04:27
diegoHell-Razor: did you verify the checksum of the iso?04:27
fr500hyphen, is better form an user perspective04:28
fr500imho04:28
hyphenah04:28
hyphenokay04:28
hyphenand i'm trying to understand the concept of the repository04:28
fr500if u need help for wma support tell me04:28
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Hell-Razordiego: nope i did not..dont know how to eather04:28
carthikHelp, anyone - i sure mustn;t be the only one with this wacko keyboard problem?04:28
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aviroxg'ah04:28
diegohyphen: fyi, beep media player is a fork of xmms and they're really bringing it up to date, but it's in sort of early stages04:28
fr500hyphen, is a place where a lot of packages are located with all the required dependencies04:28
diegoin early stages*04:28
diegothere goes my internet again :(04:28
aviroxi reinstalled xserver-xorg04:29
hyphenah04:29
aviroxthen typed in "Startx"04:29
aviroxstill bad command :/04:29
hyphenoh04:29
diegoHell-Razor: ok, where you downloaded the iso, try to find an md5sum..(a 32-character long string of hex)04:29
JDahlthe default fonts in Hoary are too big for my liking... normally I would just manually swap the 100dpi and 75dpi lines in xorg.conf... is there configuration I should use instead?04:29
diegoavirox: startx, not Startx04:29
fr500hyphen, the idea is resolving dependencies for you04:30
diegoJDahl: yeah, preferences -> font04:30
aviroxi did it lowercase04:30
hyphenhrmm04:30
fr500a major turndown for me was looking around for dependencies04:30
diegoJDahl: (under details, at the top)04:30
fr500and compiling and installing them04:30
hyphenah04:30
Hell-Razordiego...and how the hell would i do that04:30
hyphenso where are all of these files stored?04:30
hyphensome universal ubuntu server or something?04:31
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JDahldiego, cool... thanks04:31
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diegoHell-Razor: if you look on http://ubuntu.hands.com/releases/4.10/ there's an md5sums file you can get04:31
aviroxdiego is there a folder i should be in when i execuse startx?04:31
fr500hyphen, the repositories have their servers and mirrors i think04:31
diegoavirox: no04:31
hyphenah04:32
hyphenthat's such a gnarly concept04:32
fr500hyphen, the magic of open source, everyone tries to help04:32
hyphenyeah i noticed, and i love it04:32
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fr500i have a very nice desktop now04:32
aviroxdiego: any other things i might try?04:32
Hell-Razordiego: oh sorry the linux i have right now has a md5sum...im checking it wirhgt now04:32
fr500and i'm building 2 "embedded" ubuntu pcs04:32
aviroxi tried "sudo init 5" but it just said "sent TERM" and 2 other command04:33
aviroxs04:33
fr5001. ubuntu media center04:33
aviroxthen nothing04:33
haydenlol04:33
Hell-Razordiego: a491903a2d2197651864dec3836d85e0  /home/justin/warty-release-install-i386.iso04:33
diegoHell-Razor: well you need to check the file, and that'll give you along string of hex, then you make sure it's the right string04:33
fr5002. ubuntu navigation system for a raid i'm gonna participate in04:33
haydenfr500, u mean ubuntu media center 2005 professional xp edition?04:33
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fr500hayden, my idea is ubuntu media center + wifi access point/ics router04:34
diegoHell-Razor: yeah it's right04:34
fr500hehe04:34
tsumeubuntu is based off debian yes?04:34
johnnybezakyep04:34
tsumeis ubuntu good for developers?04:34
diegoHell-Razor: now i'm stumped04:34
diegotsume: it is based off debian04:34
diegotsume: what kind of development?04:34
tsumeI'm wanting a linux that "just works", but also want to make sure its easy04:34
tsumediego: C/C++ work04:34
fr500hayden, it's almost done now, except the case04:34
Hell-Razordiego: lemme try this again if it doesnt workt hen im going to download the 64bit one...which i dont really want to do04:34
tsumediego: networking systems, etc04:34
haydenahh yea04:34
fr500a carpenter is doing an ubuntu shaped box for my via board04:35
haydenlol04:35
tsumeI haven't been in the linux community in a _long_ time04:35
diegotsume: i think ubuntu fits your match, be sure to get the build-essential package for gcc and all that good stuff04:35
haydenthat'll be pretty sweet04:35
tsumediego: what about gcc?04:35
Zugothow do i install the 686 version of 2.6.10-4 kernel?04:35
haydenyou'll have to post photos on the ubuntu forums or something fr50004:35
fr500sometime when it's done i will04:35
tsumediego: do they have the latest builds every so often besides 6 months?04:35
diegotsume: build-essential is a package that depends on gcc and a few other things that you'll certainly find useful as a c/c++ dev04:35
tsumediego: features are also my thing(tm)04:36
fr500i'm worried aa bit about cooling, wood gets on fire rather easily04:36
johnnybezaktsume: yep you can be bleeding edge if you want04:36
fr500so i'll have to do a metal inner case or something04:36
johnnybezakfr500: haha04:36
haydenlol yea04:36
Potato-Greencan anyone help me install gdesklets?04:36
diegotsume: there's the unofficial backports project if you want something newer without stepping up to the development release04:36
tsumediego: is propolice in gcc?04:36
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aviroxanyone else have any ideas?04:36
Potato-Greenive got the terminal up04:36
Potato-Greenand im in the folder for gdesklets04:36
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tsumealso known as ssp04:36
diegotsume: the next release is coming up in early april though so it's not far away04:36
Potato-Greenand i run ./configure04:36
fr500still waiting for my warty cds for "mass production" though04:37
fr500:o04:37
Zugothow do i tell which package owns a file?04:37
Potato-Greenand it tells me i have no acceptable c compiler04:37
tsumewhy should I choose ubuntu over a different distro?04:37
johnnybezakPotatato-Green: you need gcc04:37
Potato-Greengcc?04:37
tsumelike ie redhat, mandrake, commercial.04:37
fr500tsume, it's too damn cool04:37
eyequeueZugot:  dpkg -S /path/to/file04:37
johnnybezakgnu compiler04:37
diegotsume: are those programs?04:37
aviroxdiego, well thanx anyhow04:37
Potato-Greenand04:37
Potato-Green*ah04:37
Potato-Greenokay04:37
diegoavirox: yeah sorry i'm not of much help to ya04:37
aviroxheh sok04:37
aviroxbtw04:38
tsumediego: ssp(propolice) is a buffer overflow checker system integrated in gcc04:38
johnnybezakcos ubuntu has a future04:38
aviroxdoes that init 5 command reboot?04:38
fr500tsume, it's free, has great support (here) a great community, great repositories, is very stable and it's fast for me04:38
aviroxmaybe i should give it more time or something04:38
tsumediego: its from ibm, it would need to be manually added04:38
diegotsume: i'm not a c/c++ dev myself, do you know how i could check?04:38
tsumediego: cc -v04:38
johnnybezakit's free as in freedom04:38
tsumegcc version 3.4.3 [DragonFly]  (propolice, visibility)04:38
johnnybezakand beer (d/l or get the cd's from the website)04:38
fr500and has free cds for you04:38
fr500!!!04:38
aviroxnite04:39
fr500will there be hoary cds?04:39
aviroxi guess I'll have to reinstall ubuntu and lose all my data04:39
avirox:(04:39
diegotsume: may i /msg that to you?04:39
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johnnybezakfr500: i would assume so04:39
tsumebsd is a nice OS.. however when I need development tools, its not always for BSD04:39
tsumediego: sure.04:39
fr500cool04:39
GammaRayavirox: why would you need to do that?04:40
tsumeand the fact that dfbsd lacks wchar support eats me alive04:40
fr500tsume, i think ubuntu is focused as a desktop distro (or at least i  hope that so)04:40
fr500i like the fact of one 500mb cd havingall the stuff most people need04:40
_phate_I tried enabling Windows Networking in the Network Settings Applet but it says I need SMB support, how do I get that04:40
fr500_phate_, synaptic04:40
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tsumefr500: I've a centrino notebook coming in.. and the bsd support isn't exactly there if you know what I mean04:41
johnnybezakis there a cli rename command or do i have to cp oldname newname04:41
_phate_fr500: any specifics?04:41
tsumefr500: bsd is missing the automatic power throttling for the centrino arch.04:41
diegojohnnybezak: you use move (mv)04:41
fr500_phate_, have u read the unofficial ubuntu guide?04:41
johnnybezakdiego: mv oldname newname?04:41
_phate_johnnybezak: I use mv oldname newname04:41
diegojohnnybezak: yeah04:41
fr500tsume, centrinos are cool04:41
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johnnybezakdiego: sweet04:41
_phate_fr500: no04:42
fr500very fast04:42
GammaRayjohnnybezak: I wrote one... wanna try it?04:42
fr500and quiet04:42
Potato-Greenlol sorry for being such a noob, but im trying to get GCC so i can install gdesklets04:42
Potato-Greencan anyone please help?04:42
fr500write /topic and read04:42
fr500_phate_, it's pretty straightforward04:42
WWPotato-Green: sudo apt-get install build-essential04:42
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Potato-GreenWW...?04:42
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eyequeuePotato-Green:  sudo apt-get install build-essential04:42
WWPotato-Green: In a terminal, enter that command.04:43
Potato-Greenk04:43
hyphenhey diego, thanks for that ubuntuguide link04:43
Bronchowould my box complelty lock up becuase I ahve an ATI card?04:43
_phate_what is Kubuntu?04:43
Potato-Greenthanks WW04:43
eyequeuephate kde04:43
fr500_phate_, kde ubuntu04:43
WWPotato-Green: no problem04:43
Potato-Greeni feel like such a n00b here lol, been on windows forever04:43
diegohyphen: no problem04:43
fr500tsume, you could try several04:44
_phate_fr500: thats sick...04:44
fr500fc3 was nice for me, until i found this04:44
fr500_phate_, sick as cool or as bad04:44
_phate_fr500: bad, ubuntu is the only distro I know of that is specific to Gnome, which I think is better then KDE04:44
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tsumegnome needs a bloat clean up04:45
fr500_phate_, both have thier pros, i like gnome better04:45
tsumeits a good desktop dont get me wrong. but places in it are.. awekward04:45
fr500but kde has transparcency and some other cool features04:45
GammaRaytsume: define bloat04:45
fr500tsume, hve u tried other distros?04:45
tsumeGammaRay: slowdowns, and glitches04:45
hvelardesorry guys... i am new on Linux... i was trying to update my warty installation to hoary and now the x-windows system is not working... when i boot the machine it stays at command line... any idea?04:46
eyequeuetsume:  happening04:46
togsI'm getting boot errors after installing on one box and transferrig the drive to the intended box, using "custom-expert" option. Is there a way to do that properly?04:46
WWI still don't "get" transparency.  Why make the text harder to read?04:46
Potato-GreenWW: pm04:46
tsumefr500: in the past yes. It was 3 years ago when I just started using BSD only because I had time(tm) to play04:46
_phate_hvelarde: try running 'init 5'04:46
fr500oh04:46
diegohvelarde: talk to avirox lol04:46
tsumefr500: times have changed I realise, so I must rediscover _again_04:46
tsumeI remember mandrake being good.. and redhat.. etc.. but it seems many politics have happened since I last peeked in the linux world04:47
fr500tsume, of couse04:47
fr500i only used redhat too04:47
hvelardehow can i do that, diego?04:47
tsumemoney isn't an issue for me. I can buy linux distros..04:47
GammaRaytsume: check this out http://codeblogs.ximian.com/blogs/benm/archives/000457.html04:47
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eyequeuetsume:  http://codeblogs.ximian.com/blogs/benm/archives/000457.html04:48
tsumeeyequeue: oh wow.04:48
fr500tsume, you can try the free flavors an donate too poor people04:48
tsumeeyequeue: this is good news04:48
diegotsume: install ubuntu. it'll take half an hour, look around, decide for yourself. i find it to be a very good and dependable system, with awesome default packages installed (gnome, openoffice, firefox, gaim, etc)04:48
fr500:p04:48
Potato-Greenwhile installing gDesklets i get this error: XML::Parser... configure: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool, any way to fix this?04:48
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tsumediego: I need my centrino laptop first04:48
tsumeI'm making a list yes04:48
_phate_hvelarde: did you try 'startx'04:48
eyequeuetsume:  all because you asked ;)04:48
tsumewhat I need to figure out is a list first04:48
GammaRaytsume: you click on his one .. I'm shocked :-P04:49
tsumethen I need to install each by each04:49
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tsumethe laptop is the main priority04:49
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tsumeI'm hoping to do much traveling04:49
Dull404is Hoary safe to run, or is should I install warty? for desktop use04:49
diegoDull404: are you scared when something doesn't work?04:50
hyphenwhat's xine-ui?04:50
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hyphengeneral media player?04:50
diegohyphen: it's like mplayer04:50
thoreauputicPotato-Green: you are doing this the hard way - use the package manager. gdesklets is available in the repositories04:50
hyphenah04:50
diegomore for movies04:50
Potato-Greenthoreauputic: package manager?04:50
Dull404diego: not really, as long as its secure04:50
diegothoreauputic: don't you love people that don't know about apt? lol04:50
Potato-Greensorry im very new04:50
Fran25Hi, I need help!! I don't know how to install my router!04:50
hvelarde_phate_: init 5 doesn't works04:50
hyphenapt is the greatest creation since sliced bread04:51
diegoDull404: worried about security? interesting04:51
hyphenwow04:51
fr500hyphen, it's like a home theatre04:51
hyphenah04:51
hvelardestartx brought something to the screen, but now the computer is not responding04:51
thoreauputicPotato-Green: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/04:51
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thoreauputicPotato-Green: and read http://ubuntuguide.org04:51
diegoDull404: well i'm running hoary right now...have to put up with minor breakage every now and then but the worst thing by far was a breakage of nvidia kernel modules a couple months ago...it was fixed in a day04:52
Fran25Help! Somebody!!04:52
diegoFran25: you don't know how to install your router? so you come to a ubuntu channel?04:52
timsa whole day?04:52
Dull404diego: hmm... i've only used linux for 1month... maybe its a bad idea anyways04:52
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tsumeriddle me this, can I download a type of source for packages from the ubuntu server for building?04:52
tsumekinda like.. src.rpm?04:53
diegoDull404: heh, probably. every now and then you need to tweak some option in some config file to get something to work right04:53
thoreauputicPotato-Green: for the package manager: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto04:53
timsdull: I've been using hoary/ubuntu/linux for 5 days04:53
tsumealso... is there a configuration tool for GNOME, like Yast in SuSE?04:53
diegotsume: to configure what, for example?04:54
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diegotsume: you can apt-get source packages, yes04:54
tsumeand.. what tools allow me to check for updates? What type are they? and will they allow me to see available updates when I'm using the computer?04:54
tsumehmm04:54
Dull404diego: im using arch linux right now... so im used to tweaking config files04:54
brainvhi, i'm having problem install gtk+2.0 in ubuntu, any help is highly appreciated04:54
tsumediego: is there a up2date type program?04:54
timstsume: ubuntu update manager?04:55
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diegotsume: synaptic package manager is a gui tool that can handle updates for you. otherwise `apt-get update; apt-get upgrade` heh04:55
tsumediego: from what I see. Its between SuSE and ubuntu in my list04:55
Dull404diego: is mplayer & firestarter out for hoary? if they are avilible for warty then i could go with it04:55
brainvis theres a way installing gtk+2.0 development?04:55
tsumediego: can it stay in background so I may see if the updates are good?04:55
diegotsume: i think there's an update automation tool but i haven't tried it04:55
tsumediego: like up2date. it turns red if theres an update04:56
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tsumediego: oh.. hmm ok. thats the program I want then.04:56
tsumehmmmm04:56
tsumehmm04:56
diegotsume: Synaptic is just a front-end for apt but the good thing is that it doesn't hide anything from you, you can see the buffer apt-get is working in if you want04:56
thoreauputicbrainv: type apt-cache search gtk + | grep dev04:56
tsumeDoesn't UDontKnow hang around here?04:56
haydenwhat packages do i need to run xine?04:56
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LevanderSomething is screwing up my nameserver during boot.  Something overwrites my /etc/resolv.conf file to remove my local name server, and only use my ISP's.  Any idea what is overwriting this?04:56
diegotsume: udk as in the freenode guy?04:57
tsumediego: affirmative04:57
tsumediego:  I need his cryptofs04:57
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thoreauputicbrainv: sorry that gisves a regexp error04:57
fr500regarding my ubuntu media player wifi access point / router, what would be the best choice for a user, using kernel routing directly or firestarter?04:57
diegotsume: i don't believe i've ever seen him talk in this channel, try /msg-ing udk04:57
tsumehe made a userland crypto system.04:57
tsumehmm04:57
Dull404diego: u can update from warty to hoary right? just apt-get update ?? when they change the repos?04:57
tsumehes offline :)04:57
_phate_hvelarde: did you run it with sudo?04:58
thoreauputicbrainv: you need the -dev package, anyway04:58
diegoDull404: yes. to update from warty to hoary, you change your repo list (/etc/apt/sources.list) to the hoary repo's and then run apt-get upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade. there's a howto on the wiki also04:58
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Dull404diego: ok thanks :)04:59
diegotsume: i don't believe i ever answered your yast question. what does yast do?05:00
diegoi've only ever used suse for like 10 minutes05:00
tsumediego: configuration tool05:01
diegotsume: configures what?05:01
tsumediego: the whole system05:01
tsumefrom servers, to firewalls05:01
_phate_YAY! I just got FF 1.0.1 installed as my default browser!05:01
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thoreauputicbrainv: you might want to install x-window-system-dev as well, I would guess05:01
_phate_though I think I might have done some evil things to do it...05:01
tsumediego: almost forgot, xorg is default?05:02
diegotsume: oh interesting...ubuntu doesn't really have anything like that, it's a more decentralized approach. maybe because ubuntu doesn't ship with any open ports so you're not expected to be running server software or a firewall05:02
tsumediego: it configures time, users, etc too05:02
diegotsume: hoary (to be released in early april) runs xorg. warty is xfree by default05:02
Dull404can warty or hoary use Debian repos?05:02
tsumediego: what about devel release?05:02
diegotsume: there's a user config tool and a time config tool, just not in one place really05:02
Dull404i like xorg :)05:02
diegotsume: xorg == devel release05:03
tsumeokay :)05:03
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fr500what is the difference between one xserver and another?05:03
thoreauputicDull404: using debian repos is deprecated - and usually unnecessary anyway05:03
diegoDull404: it's not really recommended to use the debian repos but it will probably work. not getting any help from me on that though :P05:03
tsumeI can't use source build systems like bsd or gentoo anymore.. I don't have a million years to waste05:03
brainvwhats the difference bet warth and hoary05:03
thoreauputichoary is the development branch05:04
kayalitsume: exactly my thoughts right now :)05:04
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johnnybezakwhen i used gentoo i can't remember building source being a pain at all05:04
diegotsume: gentoo is what i come from for that exact reason. i found that though i'm lacking USE flags, apt is a good (and FAST) replacement05:04
johnnybezakonce id built kde and oo.o05:04
thoreauputicwill be released as the new "stable" in april05:04
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Levanderfr500, for all I know the diff between x.org and xfree is that xfree did something with their licensing open source ppl didn't like, so x.org was created using the old X license05:04
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Levanderfr500, something like that, there was a story on arstechnica about it05:04
Dull404thoreauputic: but debian has 16.000 packages ;) i figured ubuntu packages are re-compiled debians ......05:04
_phate_can I get the optimized i686 kernel by just running 'sudo apt-get install linux-i686'?05:04
johnnybezakfr500: the licensing was the straw that broke the camels back05:04
fr500ok05:04
johnnybezakfr500: development had been slow, and there were personality conflicts with the dev's on xfree8605:05
HrdwrBoBDull404: it's not quite that sumple05:05
thoreauputicDull404: you *can* use debian repos - but things might break in unexprected ways05:05
HrdwrBoBsimple05:05
Dull404thoreauputic: im not sure wich to get, debian or ubuntu... both seems good.......05:05
_phate_X.org was created before the license snafu of Xfree8605:05
diegoDull404: the universe repository provides almost all of those packages. right now i have hoary repos + merillat and i have 16375 packages available05:05
Levander_phate_, pretty much that's what I did.  I read a few howto's though, upgrading kernel scares me05:05
diegoDull404: debian releases are very questionable...05:06
jeff_how do i fix broken packages05:06
thoreauputicDull404: both *are* good ;)05:06
johnnybezakfr500: now x.org is getting sweet things like the transparency and drop shadows :)05:06
Levander_phate_, basically, what was that snafu, i forget05:06
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kayaliwhat is a good GUI cd burning program for gnome?05:06
zenroxgraveman05:06
thoreauputicDull404: ubuntu is probably a bit "easier"05:06
Dull404HrdwrBoB: i thiught since ubuntu is based on debian..... they should have the same "linux-base" .....05:06
fr500what do we have by default05:06
_phate_Levander: something about binary distros and source05:06
johnnybezakkayali: don't know but k3b is a good qt program05:06
HrdwrBoBDull404: yes but the dependancies etc are different05:06
fr500zenrox, i'm doing heavy tests on gnomebaker05:06
Levanderkayali, i heard graveyard was good, never used myself05:06
Dull404thoreauputic: oki05:06
fr500for data cds its great05:06
HrdwrBoBDull404: it should work for the most part, but no-one will help you05:07
zenroxfr500,  i have that installed as well graveman does work with my cd-rw drive05:07
fr500johnnybezak, what do we have in warty?05:07
Levanderdull404, ubuntu does a lot of qa of the debian unstable branch, ubuntu basically tries to make debian unstable stable enough so that people won't have so many problems with it05:07
Dull404HrdwrBoB: ah ok. no im not going to use debian repos, i just wanted to know the difference :)05:07
zenroxfr500, bolh love it05:07
kayaliI think I'm gonna quit gentoo for ubuntu on my ibook ......... hoary seems a good desktop os, only the lack of java scares me. also, is it possible to install apache + php on ubuntu (using ubuntu packages I mean)05:08
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HrdwrBoBDull404: ah :)05:08
diegoDull404: i'd say the main difference with ubuntu and debian right now is ubuntu's bi-annual releases05:08
Dull404Levander: i've heard Ubuntu uses most packages from Sid05:08
thoreauputickayali: yes05:08
johnnybezakfr500: in warty xfree, hoary x.org05:08
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fr500ok05:08
diegobut i've never used debian itself (though i've used ubuntu and knoppix)05:08
Levanderkayali, i did w apache2 and php4 on ubuntu - hoary should include php5 package05:08
johnnybezak(by default)05:08
ellsanyone know how to combine vob fiels to make a playable dvd for my home player05:08
zenroxkayali,  read www.ubuntuguide.org for installing java apache etc....05:08
Dull404diego: true, last stable release of debian was in 2002 (!) :S05:08
thoreauputickayali: for instructions on java see ubuntuguide.org05:08
diegoDull404: isn't that almost as bad as xp? haha05:09
Levanderdull404, didn't know that, thought it was mainly unstable aka sarge05:09
kayalithoreauputic: ok, I hope they have a 'java on ppc' guide too ;)05:09
Dull404diego: hehe, yeah but its because sarge is too stable... it should be out long time ago ;)05:09
thoreauputickayali: ah, that I don't know...05:09
fr500kayali, should be pretty similar i guess05:09
zenroxkayali,  you can find that stuff on www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki05:10
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ellsanyone know how to combine vob files to make a playable dvd for my home player05:10
johnnybezakhey guys i want to rename a bunch of files without doing it individually, i need to remove some numbers at the end of the filename, anyone got any ideas (ex. image.jpg.1 to image1.jpg05:10
diegoDull404: what's the problem with it anyway?05:10
johnnybezak)05:10
Dull404Levander: Sarge is stable.. but not "officially" stable05:10
kayalidownloading hoary right now :)05:10
Dull404diego: with?05:10
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GFXstyLERhi05:10
diegojohnnybezak: you'd have to do some regular expressions i think, hope you know how and good luck. /me runs away05:10
stazichhow to download Hoary?05:10
diegoDull404: releasing sarge?05:11
Levanderjohnnybezak, for i in `ls *.[1234] ` ; do mv $i `basename $i .[1234] ` ; done - that's basically it05:11
ellsanyone know how to combine vob files to make a playable dvd for my home player05:11
johnnybezakdiego: haha yeah i know I will i was hoping someone here could help me out05:11
diegostazich: go to the download link at ubuntulinux.rog05:11
diegostazich: org*05:11
Potato-Greendoes anyone here have gdesklets installed?05:11
Dull404stazich: look on distrowatch.com they have a link05:11
Levanderjohnny, that's bash syntax05:11
thoreauputicjohnnybezak: you could try asking in #bash05:11
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johnnybezakLevander: can you explain what the for i in does? i see it all the time in bash scripts05:11
zenroxstazich,  check out the www.ubuntuforums.org and search for hoary install05:11
GFXstyLERwhy is my system randomly slow after upgrading to hoary?05:11
Dull404diego: i dunno.... 1000 people who cant decide if its stable or not i'd guess05:12
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ellsanyone know how to combine vob files to make a playable dvd for my home player05:12
johnnybezakGFXstyLER: type top when its slow to see whats using the cpu up05:12
Potato-Greenells05:12
zenroxPotato-Green,  what are you trying to run the gdesklets on05:12
Potato-Greenyou dont combine vob files05:12
ellsPotato-Green05:12
ellsyes05:12
Potato-Greenubuntu05:12
diegoGFXstyLER: cpu throttling?05:12
Potato-Greeni burn my own dvds, you dont combine them05:12
ellsPotato-Green, I want to copy a dvd05:12
GFXstyLERthe cpu is always at 1% thats why iam wondering05:12
Potato-Greenyeah05:12
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ellsPotato-Green, school me then05:12
Potato-Greenive dont it on windows, and u just copy the iso and burn05:12
Levanderjohnny, try in #bash also, but for does a loop.  For each value in the list, for sets i to the value and runs the commands in the body of the loop.05:13
johnnybezakGFXstyLER: i wish my cpu was always at 1% too :)05:13
diegoGFXstyLER: add the cpu frequency monitor applet to you panel and watch it.05:13
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ellsPotato-Green, okay, did that not working05:13
Potato-Greenzenrox im trying to run gdesklets on my laptop (ubuntu)05:13
johnnybezakLevander: thanks *gets bash scripting guide out* hehe05:13
GFXstyLERthanks for the tip diego05:13
Potato-Greenells05:13
ellsI ripped it using dvdrip and make an iso and burned it, no can do05:13
Potato-Green;p;05:13
ellsPotato-Green, yes05:13
Potato-Green*lol05:13
Potato-Greenyou did it wrong05:14
Levanderjohnny, it's to much to explain in a busy channel, go to directory.google.com, search in the directory for bash, find the "bash category" in the directory, then look for a tutorial subcategory.  for loops are pretty basic, should find many tutorials that cover it05:14
diegoGFXstyLER: recently mine started behaving badly, found it could be attributed to my cpu being throttled down to 300mhz every now and then heh05:14
ellsPotato-Green, yes, educate me my man05:14
Potato-Greenyour burning the video as a iso?05:14
Potato-Greenhave u converted to video_ts and audio_ts folder?05:14
ellswell, not sure if i should, have done it though05:14
Dull404ells: go dvdrhelp.com05:14
Potato-Greenyeah05:14
GFXstyLERdiego: maybe thats the problem, it just happened after installing cpydynd or cpufreqd, but i removed them both and its still slow sometimes05:15
Potato-Greentheyll have more answers there05:15
ellsDull404, thanks05:15
Dull404np05:15
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Potato-Greenzenrox can u help?05:15
johnnybezakLevander: yeah its cool I'll just reread the for loops section of the bash scripting guide form tldp.org05:15
diegoGFXstyLER: oh..hmm...look intently at 'top' i guess heh05:15
Dull404diego: arite then... im going for ubuntu/warty ... :)05:15
Levanderjohhnybezak - get a shorter chat name! it's to much to type!! but, cool, tldp is any good? I'm looking for tutorials all the time.05:16
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Dull404Levander: use "Tab" key ;)05:16
Dull404nick-auto-completetion05:16
LevanderDull404: ha! that works! thanks!05:16
diegoDull404: cool, cool05:16
Dull404<---- cant spell05:16
LevanderDull404: just auto-completed your name twice!05:17
Dull404diego: got sick and tired of this Arch Linux.... its i686 optimized, but what the ....05:17
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Dull404Levander: lol05:17
Levanderjohnnybezak: found tldp, yeah i used to use that stuff all the time.  The HOWTO's are always to broad and in-depth for what i need.05:17
gfxstylerdiego: found the problem, its maybe Xorg05:17
diegoDull404: can't say i've tried it, i'm just a linux noob heh05:18
Levanderjohnnybezak: i like short tutorials that cover pretty much what i'm trying to do05:18
johnnybezakLevander: haha yeah the guides are pretty sweet05:18
Potato-Greenanyone here have gdesklets installed?05:18
Levanderjohnnybezak: maybe they got better though, haven't used them in years05:18
andrewskiPotato-Green: i have before...05:18
diegogfxstyler: been too long...are you the guy who was stuck at the command line?05:18
johnnybezakLevander: haha lucky you, i need big slow with lots of examples :)05:18
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Potato-Greenandrewski can i pm?05:18
Dull404diego: me too ;) even though i've been using puters since '94...05:18
andrewskiPotato-Green: if you must.05:18
gfxstylerdiego: no i was the guy with cpu throttling problems :)05:18
KingTanaWho uses a external hardware modem for linux?05:19
diegogfxstyler: oh that was like 3 seconds ago05:19
Levanderjohnnybezak: u get to a point where basic tutorials are annoying and can't do without intermediate tutorials05:19
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johnnybezakLevander: yeah i know what you mean05:19
Levanderjohnnybezak: how long u been playing w computer-geek stuff?05:19
diegogfxstyler: it was the uncapitalization the through me off i think05:19
Dull404*gone*05:19
johnnybezakLevander: when i type in that loop you gave me it says05:20
johnnybezakmv: `turtleneedscropping.jpg.4' and `turtleneedscropping.jpg.4' are the same file05:20
gfxstylerdiego: yes i thought that this way its easier for all to type05:20
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johnnybezak(does that for .1 .2 and .3 too)05:20
Levanderjohnnybezak: i was giving u the idea, it's far from complete05:20
stazichi have a problem with playback of CDs on my iMac with the warty ubuntu, it has been mentioned on ubuntuforums.org and really noone came up with an answer as to why the CDROM will playback but give NO SOUND while all other media plays fine... i was wondering if any of you had a similar problem here, or maybe know of a way to fix... someone suggested to upgrade to hoary... is it worthwile?05:20
calcstazich: it might not have a physical audio cable05:21
johnnybezakLevander: ok I'll go see if I can work it out :) tahnks for your help05:21
ellsDull404, all it talks about is windows stuff05:21
stazichcalc- worked fine under OS9...05:21
Levanderjohnnybezak: , answer the chat I just sent u05:21
thoreauputicstazich: you ned to enable digital play05:21
diegostazich: it might HAVE a sound cable. lol05:22
thoreauputicstazich: the default cd player won't do it05:22
calcstazich: well of course it would, doesn't mean they are doing regular audio playback :)05:22
gfxstylerstazich: did you look at your audio settings for the cdrom volume?05:22
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stazichhows that done?? u mean digital playback in XMMS as opposed to ANALOGUE?? what about other cdplayer apps??05:22
calcstazich: aiui macos along with windows xp can rip to the audio device, iow you don't need an audio cable but it uses more cpu to do it05:22
johnnybezakLevander: i don't know how to ive just started using irssi05:22
thoreauputicthe iBook uses digital05:22
johnnybezaki'll launch xchat05:22
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diegowell i no longer serve a purpose here, peace all05:22
stazichgfx ... how do i d that?05:22
JordanAUHello, I am cleaning off space on my hard drive to install ubuntu for the first time05:22
gfxstylerdiego: peace05:23
Levanderjohnnybezak: ha, u to much, i just started an empty channel called notta, join that channel05:23
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thoreauputicstazich: xmms or beep-media-player05:23
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stazichil try now05:23
calcmost cd player apps just tell the cd player to play the audio and assume the hardware has been designed properly for the audio to be heard by default05:23
thoreauputicstazich: configure the audio cd plugin05:23
kayaliis there a web interface where I can see the packages available in the repositories? (like packages.debian.org)05:23
JordanAUi have been spending some time reading up on linux and i have a partitioning question05:23
stazichso does it mean imacs do not have direct cable from cd player to sndcard?05:23
stazichive never taken 1 apart ;-)05:23
calcstazich: yes most likely it has no cable05:23
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JordanAUshould i partition anything more than 1 partition and a swap or should i sererate my root etc05:24
gfxstylerstazich: if you open the volume control you can set the volume of "CD", i dont know if thats what you are looking for but maybe it helps05:24
thoreauputicstazich: quite likely05:24
JordanAUsererate/seperate05:24
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bzbbwhat do I need to watch a dvd?05:25
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crimsunbzbb: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats05:25
JordanAUwhat is a recommended partitioning scheme for ubuntu?05:25
crimsunJordanAU: the default is fine unless you wish to exercise more control and/or have specific requirements05:26
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JordanAUokay since this is my first time to seriously be using linux i will go default and adjust later if i really need to05:26
gfxstyleri have 100mb /boot, 512mb swap and 79gb /05:26
stazichhehe - digital audio playback works ;-)) thx guys... what about cable? i mean can i put it in ther somehow? i dont wanna run cd through digital playback if i can do it directly thru analogue taking less resources up05:27
crimsun100 MB is _huge_ for /boot05:27
JordanAUgfxstyler: how much ram do youy have?05:27
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gfxstyler51205:27
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_phate_gfxstyler: /boot should be around 32MB05:27
JordanAUi have heard something about doubling what you actually have i have 512 should i do a gig or 51205:27
gfxstyleri wasnt sure if 30mb for boot was enough, so i took 10005:27
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crimsungfxstyler: 30 MB is more than enough05:28
calcmy boot is 20M and i have 3 kernels in it05:28
_phate_JordanAU: if you have the space go with a gig05:28
calcer my boot is taking 20M i meant to say05:28
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calci just have it on my / partition05:28
JordanAUokay i will have some 80 gig so i guess i will go for it05:28
haydeni have a cd-rw/dvd-rom drive, how can i set symbolic link /dev/dvd pointing to my cdrom drive?05:28
crimsunhayden: it should already exist when you boot05:28
crimsunhayden: rather, _after_ you finish booting05:28
_phate_gfxstyler: not really I made a similar mistake when I first started with linux05:28
JordanAUi am leaving windows on for halflife 2 any advice there?05:28
haydenhmm05:28
clopsyam trying to get XP to find shares on Ubuntu pc, can read everything except a FAT32 share--help?05:29
_phate_JordanAU: Yes, get an Xbox and play Halo 205:29
haydeni just started gxine, and was going thru the wizard that appeared05:29
crimsunJordanAU: you could also use wine or cedega to play it in Linux if you have an Nvidia or an ATI graphics card05:29
JordanAU_phate_: ....05:29
JDahlhayden, with udev you cannot manually populate /dev (I beleive)05:29
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_phate_JordanAU: Or get Transgaming Cedega05:29
haydenhmm ok05:29
JordanAUyeah i figure if i payed 100 bucks for windows already i should't be paying 5 bucks a month for not 100% supported steam05:30
_phate_JordanAU: its a DirectX Wine thingee05:30
togsI'm getting boot errors after installing on one box and transferrig the drive to the intended box, using "custom-expert" option. Is there a way to do that properly?05:30
JordanAUyeah it costs money too05:30
JordanAULast question, should it pick up my wifi pretty easily?? the live CD didn't05:31
_phate_JordanAU: whats your wireless card05:31
gfxstylerare xfce 4.0 - xfce 4.2 pretty much the same or are there serious updates/changes? hoary only has xfce 4.005:31
crimsungfxstyler: 4.2 has some rather invasive updates05:32
JordanAU_phate_: I have a linksys wireless g05:32
JordanAUi will get you the model number if you need it05:32
JordanAUit is PCI05:32
andrewskigfxstyler: big changes.05:32
andrewskigfxstyler: os-works.com :)05:32
gfxstylerok then i will try to get xfce 4.2 :) thanks05:33
andrewskigfxstyler: that site has a repository for the latest packages.  maintained by one of the devs. 8)05:33
stazichhey guys, how can i mount a netwrk folder smb://mars/My%20Music to my linux mount folder??05:34
bur[n] ercrimsun: invasive?05:34
_phate_I dunno what the linksys uses... hum agere?05:34
bur[n] erstazich: mount -t smbfs05:34
bur[n] erstazich: or use the 'connect to server' thing05:34
JordanAUUpdate: I am burning ubuntu, I am presently using gaim, hopefully in about an hour i will be talking to y'all in XCHAT05:35
crimsunbur[n] er: as in lots of changes that require merging/tweaking to work with Ubuntu05:35
JordanAUon ubuntu05:35
andrewskiyay.05:35
bur[n] ercrimsun: but lots of 'great' changes too :)05:36
stazichyeah, mount -t smbfs doesnt do anything... do i have top add more?05:36
crimsunbur[n] er: quite true05:36
bur[n] erstazich: yes05:36
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stazichwhich connect tp server thing?05:36
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stazichlike?05:36
bur[n] erstazich: man mount05:36
bur[n] eror smbmount (and look at what it tells you to do)05:37
bur[n] erthe connect to server thing is in the main menu05:37
clopsymy problem is similar to stazich's--my XP box can see the shared "home" dir--but can't see "windrive" : which is an older FAT32 harddrive in the Ubuntu box05:38
hyphencan someone briefly explain what nautilus is?05:38
thoreauputicstazich: actually he means the "File" menu of nautilus05:38
thoreauputichyphen: file manager05:39
Agrajagit's a graphical file manager for nautilus05:39
Agrajager05:39
Agrajaggnome05:39
hyphenoh05:39
thoreauputichyphen: sort of like windows explorer *shudder*05:39
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hyphenso then running nautilus burn:/// is running burn from nautilus?05:39
thoreauputichyphen: gives you a place to drag and drop stuff to burn05:40
raggedgentlemanhow do you convert a iso to a bin?05:40
hyphenah05:40
raggedgentlemani only see bin to iso05:40
thoreauputichyphen: then you hit the burn icon05:40
raggedgentlemanevery where bin to iso05:40
hyphenahh05:40
thoreauputicraggedgentleman: why do you need to convert to bin?05:41
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raggedgentlemanto play a game with epsxe05:44
gfxstylerif i install the composite manager, is it always enabled or can i deactivate it? because i have an ati gfx card05:44
andrewskigfxstyler: you can disable it.05:44
gfxstylerandrewski: thanks05:45
andrewskigfxstyler: once you get it up and running, you have only to comment out the lines in your xorg.conf05:45
raggedgentlemanthoreauputic, i got the iso but the client wont use the iso it only wants a bin05:45
gfxstylerw00t? xfce installation takes a few hours?05:46
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jbamdz, are you in dude?05:47
ArtVandalaeHello, I'm trying to help a mate with Ubunutu. He's trying to play an mpg file, but he keeps getting an error, does he need to apt-get a codec pack to play mpgs?05:47
jbamdz, are you the maintainer of mythtv packages?05:47
mdzjba: yes05:47
jbaI can't seem to find out what the password of the mythtv user, that the deb created is?05:47
mdzArtVandalae: gstreamer0.8-mad05:47
ArtVandalaeThanks05:47
mdzjba: there is none; it's locked05:48
gfxstylerArtVandaele: totem-xine05:48
jbamdz, how do i su to it to run the setup apps ?05:48
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mdzsudo -u mythtv mythtv-setup05:48
jbaokay thanks dude05:48
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jbahuh?05:49
jbaXlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server05:49
jbaXlib: No protocol specifie05:49
jbamdz, any tips ?05:51
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crimsunjba: gksudo -u mythtv mythtv-setup05:53
pepsiwhat kind of graphics card should i get if i want it to work nicely in linux?05:53
Agrajagnvidia05:53
Agrajaganything by nvidia05:53
pepsiati stuff doesnt work?05:53
pepsior its just picky05:54
jbacrimsun, still no go05:54
tsumehow does ubuntu install files?05:54
tsumeI mean by the hier05:54
tsumeif it installs a package, where does the package go?05:54
crimsuntsume: come again?05:54
tsume /usr, /usr/local?05:55
farruinnpepsi: there was a thread on ubuntu-users recently about that05:55
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thoreauputictsume: usually /usr05:55
crimsuntsume: /usr/local is reserved for system-specific things. Packages should never touch /usr/local05:55
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tsumecan software be set as a prefix to go in /usr/local?05:55
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tsume*packages05:55
farruinnusually /usr/local/ is a sort of "personal" filesystem05:56
crimsuntsume: again, distro-provided packages should not touch /usr/local05:56
farruinnbut all packages should install elsewhere05:56
tsumecrimsun: the question is though, can they be installed elsewhere?05:57
thoreauputictsume: stuff you build yourself (for instance) can be put in /usr/local05:57
crimsuntsume: certainly, though you should not distribute such packages05:57
farruinnis this in the debian reference manual?05:58
tsumesoo..05:59
crimsunfarruinn: absolutely: see section 9.1.205:59
tsumeis the ubuntu install console based?05:59
calcall dist software belongs in /usr, all user installed software belongs in /usr/local, all third party crap belongs in /opt06:00
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raggedgentlemancan i convert a .img to a .bin?06:00
calcthough the difference between user installed and 3rd party is a grey area06:00
kernHey, do I need gpm to use my PS/2 and serial mice at the sametime?06:00
crimsunkern: no06:00
kernI'm not sure if I even have it configured right06:00
tsumeubuntu doesn't have a graphical installer does it?06:00
kernI've got the serial mouse in my XF86Config-4 file, and I have the module loaded.06:01
haydenhas anyone installed engage dock ?\06:01
crimsuntsume: no06:01
raggedgentlemanthoreauputic, what about .img to .bin?06:01
thoreauputicraggedgentleman: I don't know, sorry06:01
kernAnybody know how to get a serial mouse to work?06:02
haydencrimsun, do u know any mac like docks i can install?06:02
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crimsunhayden: idesk?06:02
crimsunhayden: not sure what you mean by "docks"06:03
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kerncrimsun: Do you know how to get serial mice to work?06:03
crimsunkern: is it plugged in?06:03
haydenhttp://edevelop.org/errand/packages/themes/gant/apps/engage/preview.png06:03
kernI even loaded Dynebolic to detect my serial mouse to take the stuff from it's XF86Config06:03
kerncrimsun: Yeah.06:03
tsumecrimsun: is the partitioning application easy? ncurses?06:04
tsumecrimsun: I can specify several slices, yes?06:04
kernDynebolic detects my serial mouse at boot so I loaded that and copied the data from the XF86Config into Ubuntu, no luck there.06:04
thoreauputictsume: you can choose manual partitioning06:04
crimsuntsume: there's not really an equivalent of bsd slices, but yes, you can manually partition06:04
tsumehmm06:04
tsumecrimsun: erm oops. Sorry, I keep using bsd based words :)06:05
tsumeIts been 3 years since I used linux06:05
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mrproperAre there Ubuntu deb's for Mono 1.1.latest?06:08
crimsunmrproper: no06:08
mrproperk06:08
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R0bNycI'm trying to get kernel 2.6.11 -k7 since I have a athlon xp-m laptop, but I dont know what to get the source, the headers, the image etc?06:18
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R0bNyctheres linux-tree, linux-source, linux-image, and linux-headres06:19
zenroxlinux-image-k706:19
zenroxsomething like that06:19
azriel0184R0bNyc, linux-images06:19
azriel0184linux-image-k7 for an amd06:20
haydendoes anyone know how to install a mac-like dock for ubuntu?06:20
zenroxand souce and headers and tree all same k7 revision06:20
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R0bNycazriel0184, thanks06:20
zenroxdamn spammer06:20
R0bNyci dont need to compile for it to work with all my hardware like my current 2.6.10 kernel?06:20
R0bNycI'm using Hoary ARray 6 btw06:21
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zenroxR0bNyc,  nope06:21
azriel0184if you needed to recompile it for 2.6.10 then maybe06:21
R0bNyczenrox, thanks Ill try again06:21
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R0bNycno i didnt recompile06:21
KernAnybody know how to get a serial mouse to work?06:22
KernI've tried everything.06:22
KernThat I can think of.06:22
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thoreauputicR0bNyc: the linux-image package should just install (and automatically add itself to the grub bootloader)06:22
zenroxKern, try a sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and go tharu that wizared and point it to the location of the serial mouse06:22
Kernzenrox: I just tried that again, no luck.06:23
thoreauputicKern: I killed my serial mouse with a sharp screwdriver and installed a ps206:23
R0bNycthoreauputic, i tried itbefore and it did install and added itself automatically but my mouse or touchpad didnt work and my keyboard either so i couldnt do nothing but shut it off manually and boot into 2.6.10 - i386 (Default)06:23
KernI want to beable to use my PS/2 mouse and serial mouse at the sametime.06:23
thoreauputicR0bNyc: 2.6.11 is kind of on the bleeding edge, you know...06:24
zenroxkern ps2 usb maby but not serial and ps206:24
R0bNycyea I know and so is hoary06:24
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Kernzenrox: I've used a PS/2 mouse and serial mouse in Dynebolic, which is based on Debian.06:24
KernSo I know it works.06:24
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zenroxR0bNyc,  id stick with the 2.6.10 kernel  till the 2.6.11 is in better shape06:25
thoreauputicKern: I find if I plug in a usb mouse and a ps2 at the same time, both work06:25
hyphenanyone here installed wine before?06:25
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R0bNyczenrox, no prob thanks06:25
Kernthoreauputic: Ok, but I can't use a USB mouse.06:25
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zenroxKern,  d/l the souce to that Dynebolic progam and compile it your self06:25
KernDynebolic is a Linux distribution.06:26
zenroxhyphen,  sudo apt-get install wine06:26
KernI want to beable to do the same on Ubuntu.06:26
zenroxKern,  do you still have an exampole of how that worked in the xfree86 server06:26
KernYeah.06:26
fscok, who's having problem with Totem being so slow?06:27
KernI even have the module loaded at boot.06:27
zenroxlook at the differences06:27
hyphenyeah, i already did that.  and i ./install.sh as well.  just curious as to how i'd go about running win files06:27
fsctakes forever to startup on a fast machine06:27
zenroxKern,  make the aproate changes06:27
Kernzenrox: I already have. It's in my Ubuntu XF86Config-406:27
KernI'd say everything should be working, but it's not.06:27
zenroxonce done do a alt+ctrl+backspace to restart x06:27
R0bNycWhat is that stuff called that notifies you of software updates for hoary ?06:27
Kernzenrox: I've done that several times already.06:28
zenroxkern a good reboot06:28
zenrox??06:28
Xirdnehhyphen, you may try this page is preatty easy to follow http://www.winehq.com/site/download-deb06:28
Kernzenrox: Yeah.06:28
zenroxkern ok06:28
hyphenthanks06:28
Xirdnehhyphen, np06:28
KernIt's killing me man.06:28
zenroxKern,  i know06:28
KernHaha.06:28
hyphener actually, i've read through that page already :P  just having a bit of trouble understanding some stuff in the documentation section06:29
zenroxKern,  i have 1 prob id like resaulved and it wont be06:29
zenroxand its killing me06:29
KernWhat is it zenrox?06:29
zenroxbut ill get it to work some day06:29
zenroxKern, trust me its hard06:29
zenroxvery hard06:29
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zenroxno one has bine able to fix it 3 chat rooms on this network06:30
zenroxand others as well06:30
KernYou can't just bring it up and not give me details zenrox!06:31
zenroxand its not a ubuntu problam any way06:31
zenroxdual monters on 2 difernt nvidia cards06:31
KernWow, I'd never even try something like that.06:31
zenroxfx5200 and a tnt2 (witch is out dated buy the 6629 nvidia driver)06:32
ellsanyone familiar with copying home dvds06:32
Adyethsis there a services configure program in ubuntu?06:32
Adyethslike on the default cd install06:32
ellsI ripped a dvd and it produced vob files06:32
andrewskiAdyeths: vim /etc/conf.d/*06:32
andrewskiAdyeths: or, for packages, dpkg-reconfigure package06:32
ellshow can I make those so i can watch them as a regular cd06:32
zenroxAdyeths,  not on the cd but in the univeres that makes it a simi gui-esh06:33
Adyethsok06:33
ellsanyone familiar with copying home dvds06:33
zenroxdont rember the name tho06:33
raggedgentlemancan i convert a .img to a .bin?06:33
Adyethsthats what I was wanting, a gui sort of configure util to turn the services on and off. (similar to the tools included in other distros like mandrake for instance)06:33
raggedgentlemanhow do you convert a iso to a bin?06:34
zenroxiso2bin06:34
zenrox??06:34
raggedgentlemani only see bin to iso06:34
zenroxraggedgentleman,  ya06:34
raggedgentlemanbut i want the opposite06:34
zenroxthats the only way why conver from iso to bin06:34
Adyethsthanks!06:34
zenroxiso is easer to burn06:34
raggedgentlemanto play games06:34
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zenroxand still can be mounted in all os's06:35
raggedgentlemanepsxe wants .bin files06:35
zenroxwhy does it want bin06:35
raggedgentlemanmmmmm yeah maybe ill just mount it and tell it to play off the cd!06:35
zenroxthats easer06:35
raggedgentlemanyeah! yay! how do you mount an iso?06:35
zenroxraggedgentleman,  read www.ubuntuguide.org06:36
raggedgentlemanoh shit, =o)06:36
zenroxtons of other info too06:36
raggedgentlemanhehe and i tell ppl to go there =o) i feel dumb06:36
raggedgentlemanthanks bud06:36
zenroxlol06:36
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raggedgentlemanso the mounted iso will have a file system?06:37
raggedgentlemanit wont be just a iso right06:38
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raggedgentlemancool thanks dude06:40
zenroxyep it wont06:41
zenroxit will work basickly like a cdrom06:41
zenroxor any other mounted media06:41
andrewskianyone use abcde with flacs?06:42
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azriel0184anyone know how to write an iso to a cd with xcdroast?06:47
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da_bon_bonhi all06:51
da_bon_bonwazup ?06:51
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da_bon_bonhi all06:53
haydendoes anyone know how to install a mac os x like dock for ubuntu06:53
zenroxazriel0184,  use gnomebaker or use k3b06:54
hyphen-can someone recommend me a good .wmv and .avi viewer?06:54
zenroxhyphen-, gxine06:54
azriel0184is it possible to mount an iso image as a file system?06:55
hyphen-is that available through apt?06:55
zenroxazriel0184,  yes read www.ubuntuguide.org06:55
zenroxhyphen-, you might have to enable extra respoties06:55
hyphen-ah06:56
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hyphen-i got it, thanks zen06:56
zenroxhyphen-,  but you can read the wiki on ubuntus webpage06:56
hyphen-will do06:56
hyphen-trying to do like 50 things at once06:56
zenroxlol06:56
hyphen-still having trouble with WINE too06:56
hyphen-cant figure out how to configure the damn thing06:57
zenroxhyphen-,  wine ant the most funnest tang to get worken06:57
da_bon_bonanyone got vmware running on hoary ?06:57
hyphen-so i'm learning, lol06:57
thoreauputicazriel0184: re: burning an iso - you can burn an iso from nautilus by choosing to from the right-click context menu (right click the iso file)06:57
hyphen-got any suggestions for an emulator?06:57
haydendoes anyone know how to install a mac os x like dock for ubuntu06:57
zenroxhyphen-,  use snyaptic and search for wine might be extra packages you can install06:57
hyphen-i tried that.  none that really help06:58
hyphen-just alpha versions06:58
da_bon_bonhyphen-: use the sidenet config script06:58
thoreauputichayden: please don't repeat06:58
andrewskihayden: dock?06:58
hyphen-i'll search for that, thanks  bon bon06:58
haydenlike the one used on mac os x06:58
andrewskihayden: dock?  (define please; i've never used os x)06:59
zenroxandrewski,  its like the bar06:59
thoreauputichayden: I believe there's a gdesklet that does something like that06:59
andrewskihayden: ^^06:59
haydenhmm06:59
farruinnthere is a gdesklet, but it's nothing like os x dock06:59
hyphen-andrweski:  osx has a small toolbar with icons that enlarge as your mouseover06:59
andrewskihayden: that's what i was going to say.  starterbar, it's called.06:59
hyphen-sort of like a magnifying glass06:59
haydenok06:59
andrewskihyphen-: yup, starterbar is like it.07:00
andrewskifarruinn: "nothing like"?07:00
farruinnhayden: what about that enlightenment thing you threw a link out for earlier?07:00
haydenyea07:00
farruinnandrewski: in terms of functionality07:00
haydeni haven't found a way to install it07:00
farruinnandrewski: personally, I'd rather just use another gnome panel than the gdesklet thing07:00
andrewskifarruinn: well, i don't find it very useful, but it's a bit of eyecandy i guess.07:01
azriel0184thoreauputic, yes, i did that already. :)07:01
farruinnexactly =)07:01
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farruinnhayden: btw, that link prompted me to install enlightenment, and I must say, it's pretty spiffy07:02
haydenyea it looks pretty good from what i've seen07:02
haydenbut i have no idea on how to install it07:02
andrewskifarruinn: the ubuntu one, or the latest, e17?07:02
farruinnandrewski: backported it from hoary07:03
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da_bon_bonhey, am i alive ?07:03
andrewskifarruinn: ah, ok.  i hear there's a new one coming out soon that's supposed to be much better than the current version.  i find it a bit ugly, actually.07:03
farruinnandrewski: there are tons of themes though, right?  I kind of like the brushed-metal-blue07:04
revildabi installede16 just the other night, but it had no programs listed in the menu. i couldnt even load up a shell07:04
farruinnrevildab: you might need menu-xdg or something installed07:04
andrewskifarruinn: yeah, i didn't like the fonts; if i could select my own, i'd probably like it better. :)07:04
revildabhmm, alright farruinn ill try that, thanks07:04
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haydenfarruinn, how can i install the enlightenment thing?07:05
andrewskirevildab: i don't think it'll help.07:05
farruinnwhatever the package is that gives you the debian menu is what you want07:05
farruinnor get the menu editor07:05
helloyoi'm a long time kde user and have used some very complex heavily modified desktops, and let me tell you that ubuntu with gnome is a welcome change07:05
andrewskifarruinn: i have it for gnome, but e didn't have the menu.07:05
helloyoespecially the fact that i just got a printer working in 20 seconds that refused to work in kde07:06
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farruinnandrewski: control click the desktop07:06
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andrewskifarruinn: well, i uninstalled it, i'm jus' sayin'.07:06
thoreauputicfarruinn: the package is called "menu" , amazingly enough (wow, a package name that makes sense...)07:06
thoreauputic;-)07:06
farruinnthoreauputic: awesome! =)07:06
farruinnandrewski: got it07:06
farruinnalt+f3 pops up a bubble with lots of hints07:07
farruinnthe problem I'm having is that the menus try to move themselves so they don't go off the screen, unfortunately it doesn't work if the menu is longer than the screen is tall07:08
farruinnand my "net" submenu is huge07:08
hyphen-bon bon, i have the sidenet wine config files, what do i do with them?07:08
andrewskifarruinn: hmm, well hopefully e17 will supply for both of us. :)07:08
farruinnandrewski: yeah, I'm definitely going to have to check it out at some point :D07:08
hyphen-poop07:08
andrewskifarruinn: i think i'll wait until it comes out.07:09
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benhhrm...07:09
da_bon_bonhi all07:09
benhvery bad problem07:09
benhhuuuuuge bug07:09
andrewskihi da_bon_bon07:09
benhpolitical crisis !07:09
_phate_how do you tell if DRI is enabled for Xfree86?07:09
benhthere is no Canberra - ACT in the timezone list of the installer :)07:09
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benhno, we aren't in New South Wales !!!!07:10
jdub_yo i need help07:10
thoreauputicfarruinn: that menu issue is one of my annoyances with E as well - I like the eye candy, but I find it impractical07:10
_phate_jdub_: What do you need07:10
jdub_my boy just put linux on my pc but just passed out, im trying to instal lime wire and im lost07:10
helloyowhere does ubuntu get the funding for that free cd scheme (brilliant idea by the way)?07:10
andrewskigood night!07:11
farruinnandrewski: g'night07:11
jdub_when i get to the extract part it all goes to hell07:12
farruinnhelloyo: iirc Ubuntu was funded by an independently wealthy man who wanted to make a "better" linux or something07:12
thoreauputicjdub_: good to see you have your prorities straight ;) Install limewire befor reviving your boy...07:12
haydenfarruinn, how can i install the e dock thiung?07:12
revildablol thoreau07:12
jdub_naw he is good i put him in the tub07:12
farruinnhayden: looks like you'll have to build it from source07:13
hyphen-thoreau07:13
jdub_i cant get java its not there07:13
hyphen-dont you know that free music is worth the life of your best friend?07:13
farruinnjdub_: www.ubuntuguide.org is your friend07:13
thoreauputichyphen-: ;-)07:13
fschelloyo, shuttleworth was the first space tourist. he's funding07:13
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jdub_cool07:13
haydenok07:13
hyphen-yeah i just went through ubuntuguide and it's been a HUUGE help07:13
revildabshuttleworth? the man has nothing on george soros, although i do love ubuntu07:14
jdub_cool beans now anyone got any ideas how to mess with someone passes out in a tub off of jack and coke07:15
hyphen-if this sidenet config works...then i can die a happy man07:15
thoreauputicjdub_: sudo dpkg-reconfigure boy-consciousness ?07:16
hyphen-hahah07:16
jdub_yea07:16
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pepsiwhich modules do i need to disable for nvidia drivers?07:16
pepsiglx?07:16
pepsido i need to disable any of them?07:17
da_bon_bonhi all07:17
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revildabsuper bon bon is a great song, i now dub it your themesong07:17
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cjenningshey bon bon07:18
hyphen-omg i think i got it to work07:19
thoreauputichyphen-: Ok, time to die then....07:19
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ellsanyone familiar with copying home dvds07:20
helloyoells, yes07:20
da_bon_boncjennings: hiya07:20
helloyoells, albeit, into xvid07:20
hyphen-wait, not yet07:21
ellshelloyo, please help07:21
hyphen-i have to install maya and see if it really works07:21
hyphen-after that, feel free to kill me07:21
ellshelloyo, i ripped it using dvdrip07:21
da_bon_boncjennings: type the first three letters of a persons nick, and press tab. auto complete07:21
ellshow do i copy it to watch on my home player07:21
helloyoells, i'm new to ubuntu, but i have used dvdrip a lot07:21
ellshelloyo, cool07:21
thoreauputichyphen-: any minute now a dialogue will pop up that says "Fatal Error" ;-)07:21
helloyoells, not 100% sure, but i can point you in the right direction07:22
ellshelloyo, okay, how can I make a dvd to watch on my home player using the vobs07:22
hyphen-if that happens07:22
helloyoells, dvds are encrypted with css, so you need that library, but with dvdrip you should already have it. the problem with dvdrip is that it rips titles, not the whole dvd. might be best to copy the whole dvd, and burn that exactly, not sure how this works though sorry07:22
hyphen-i will have to break open a can of god knows what07:22
hyphen-on the world07:22
ellshelloyo, I ripped it07:22
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helloyoells, a lot of dvd players can play vobs if thats how you want to watch it07:23
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ellshelloyo, okay, how can I compile it07:23
ellshelloyo, i tried just copying the vobs, that did not work07:23
helloyoells? compile? no need to do that07:24
helloyocan you view the vobs with any media players?07:24
ellshelloyo, when i copied the vobs, that did not work07:24
ellsI can watch them07:24
helloyoells, have you tried burning them to dvd and trying that on your player?07:24
hyphen-maybe someone can help me07:24
helloyododgy, but it might work07:25
ellshelloyo, yeap07:25
hyphen-when i run the autorun.exe through winelauncher, it loads up07:25
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helllcan somebody help me out. I just downoaded and installed the ubuntu linux os, but it will not go past the "Loading grub 1.5" screen after i have rebooted the system from an install07:25
Zawwhey google www.otomotivshow.com07:25
hyphen-but when i click "install" it stays idle07:25
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thoreauputicgrrr another drive-by spammer07:26
hyphen-well thoreau, looks like i will die another day07:27
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thoreauputichyphen-: ah, well, be prepared...07:27
thoreauputichehe07:27
hyphen-har07:27
helllanybody? help please?07:27
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crimsunhelll: more debugging information necessary07:28
helllwell07:29
helllhow can i get more debugging information07:29
helllit installed sucessfully07:29
crimsunhelll: right. Does it get to Starting Ubuntu... ?07:29
hellland then it tells me to take the cd out of the cd rom and push ok then it will reboot07:30
helllno07:30
helllit gets to this screen07:30
hellllemme go see exactly wht it says07:30
helloyois totem a decent enough movie player to bother fixing? can't get an image up07:30
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Amaranthtotem is awesome in its simplicity07:31
helll"grub stage 1.5"..."Grub loading, Please wait."07:31
helloyoyeah, thats why i wanted to give it a go07:31
helllits been like this for ~10 minutes now07:31
helllive rebooted07:31
helllsame thing07:31
helloyoAmaranth, but it won't play anything proprly07:31
crimsunhelll: and what if you choose repair/safe mode?07:32
helllgrub wont boot07:32
Echyloanybody has experience with dyndns update clients?07:32
helllit goes through my bios, then to more system information, then the bios hits07:33
helllerr07:33
helllthen grub loads instead of the bios hits07:33
hellllol07:33
thoreauputicEchylo: ez-ipupdate07:33
Echylobut it has to work with dyndns.org07:33
thoreauputicEchylo: you can apt-get install it07:33
hellli dont know what to do07:33
thoreauputicit will07:33
helllim stuck07:33
EchyloI have a domain called07:33
Echyloechylon.mine.nu07:33
Echylodynamic ip07:33
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Quarupthere comes kubuntu07:33
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Echylobut it will work thoreauputic?07:34
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helloyoany ideas on how to get video in totem? fresh 4.10 install07:35
Quaruptwhat version of kde is the current kubuntu?07:35
Quarupt3.3?07:35
thoreauputicEchylo: well, it's easy to try it - just choose to let debconf configure it and it will ask you for details07:35
thoreauputicEchylo: should be fine, I think07:35
Echylohmm07:35
Echylolet me try07:35
|Gunther|hi07:35
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Echylohow to work with debconf?07:36
Echylocause I did debconf ez-ipupdate but It seems to do nothing07:36
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helllcan somebody help me out. I just downoaded and installed the ubuntu linux os, but it will not go past the "Loading grub 1.5" screen after i have rebooted the system from an install07:36
thoreauputicEchylo: just apt-get install, chosse automatic when it asks07:37
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thoreauputicEchylo: and answer the questions07:37
Echylo???07:37
setitewhen is 5.04 gonna be available07:37
zenroxsetite, april?? may??07:37
setitei recall someone a while back telling me that the preview would be available in march07:37
thoreauputicEchylo: is it installed??07:37
Echyloez-ipupdate is installed07:37
Echylodebconf was already installed07:37
setitei really want to use linux again07:37
Echylobut I didn't had to answer questions07:38
EchyloIt just said there was no .conf file07:38
thoreauputicEchylo: when you installed, it should have asked how you waned it configured07:38
thoreauputic*wanted07:38
Echylono it didn't07:38
thoreauputicEchylo: you chose automatic?07:38
hyphenhow does everyone compare ubuntu to redhat?07:38
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Echylohow should I chose that ? :07:39
helllanybody please? i want my system up tonight07:39
helllor i would like itup tonight07:39
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zenroxEchylo, just do a sudo dpkg-reconfigure ez-ipupdate07:39
_4strOyop yop07:40
Echylothanks07:40
zenroxEchylo, that help07:40
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Echylohmm07:41
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|Gunther|I use Fedora Core 2 more than Ubuntu, mostly because I h8 Ubuntu's default theme in gnome, and I get only a 400x600 screen when I use it, maybe I should try Nvidia's drivers07:41
revildabmight be your x settings07:42
hyphenreally?  i just installed ubuntu last night and i get 1600x120007:42
revildabi know i had to change mine to enable 1600x120007:42
Quaruptwow kde isnt bad07:42
helllcan somebody help me out. I just downoaded and installed the ubuntu linux os, but it will not go past the "Loading grub 1.5" screen after i have rebooted the system from an install07:42
zenrox|Gunther|, i have 1600x1200 on an nvidia card07:42
farruinn|Gunther|: heh, yeah you should be able to get better resolution than that07:42
helloyoi've installed gstreamer-plugins, but totem still only plays mpg, can somebody please help?07:43
wezzerhelloyo: sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad07:43
zenroxhelloyo, and sudo apt-get install totem-xine07:44
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zenroxhelloyo, and w32codecs07:44
helllcan somebody please help me? my system will not boot grub after a ubuntu install!07:44
helloyook, thanks guys07:45
|Gunther|I have another question guys07:45
zenrox|Gunther|, ok07:45
thoreauputichelloyo: also http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats07:45
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|Gunther|I forgot my regular user pwd, either I can attempt to remember it, or there is a User account for root that I can log into? I am Novice when it comes to creating user accounts in Terminal or whatever07:46
ukilledkennyi just upgraded from warty to hoary... now x isnt starting up... wats the apt-get command to use07:46
ukilledkenny...?07:47
zenrox|Gunther|,  thare is another way to recover the pass from using a live cd07:47
zenrox|Gunther|,  but i dont know how07:47
helllsomebody please?? any ideas? im getting very fustrated07:47
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zenroxukilledkenny, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg07:47
farruinnhelll: does it fail when rebooting after the first phase of the install?07:47
helllfarruinn: yes07:48
helloyook, totem-xine wants to remove ubuntu-desktop, that would be bad wouldn't it?07:48
ukilledkennyzenrox thanx07:48
farruinnhelll: do you get any sort of information printed on the screen?07:48
zenroxukilledkenny,  n/p07:48
helllfarruinn: do i have to do anything special to the format if i tell it to do the automatic partitoning?07:48
farruinnhelll: no, nothing to worry about07:48
helllfarruinn: besids waiting for gub to startup, nothing07:48
helllgrub*07:48
farruinnoops, helloyo, that's nothing to worry aobut07:49
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virtuald|Gunther|: doesn't "recovery mode" in grub's menu get you to a root shell?07:49
helloyofarruinn, if you say so...07:49
Quaruptwhats a good C/Cpp development client/enviroment/shell thingy?07:49
zenroxvirtuald,  yes07:49
zenroxfirgot about that07:49
paulproteusQuarupt: I hear good things about KDevelop.07:49
virtualdB] 07:49
farruinnhelloyo: it's a metapackage, as in doesn't actually install anything, just depends on a lot of other packages07:50
Quaruptok ill try it out07:50
Quaruptthx07:50
helllfarruinn: any ideas?07:50
haydenhow do i get gdesklets to work?07:50
farruinnhelll: the automatic paritioning should have done it's job07:50
Quaruptdoesnt seem to come with kubuntu guess i will need to DL it07:50
farruinnits*07:50
cjenningshelloyo: I did the same thing yesterday. no problems for me, if that gives you more confidence.07:50
schasidoes someone know about klik in here?07:50
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helloyocjennings, haha, yeah ok, thanks07:50
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helllfarruinn: alright...but i dont get why grub is not booting07:51
farruinnhelll: what specifically does it say on your screen?07:51
zenroxhelll,  might have botched the instial install07:51
|Gunther|yeah sure, I think it can07:51
helllfarruinn: grub loading 1.5   (new line) loading grub, please wait07:51
Quaruptif your writing a bash script, and you want to do something with sudo, can you do like sudo cd /blah/blah  and put the password on the next line?07:51
JordanAUhi i just installed ubuntu for the first time07:52
helllfarruinn: has been displaying that for about 25 minutes now07:52
zenrox|Gunther|, if it can then just do a password change command to the user07:52
JordanAUit runs great except i cant connect to my wireless network07:52
farruinnhelll: I would try reinstalling07:52
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farruinnhelll: but then again I'm no grub expert (I use macs mostly)07:52
cjenningshelll: I second reinstalling. Just use all the defaults if you can (automatic partitioning, etc).07:53
zenroxwe need a good walk thru the install07:53
helllfarruinn: have, 3 times07:53
farruinnhelll: same result each time?07:53
helllfarruinn: correct07:53
hyphencan someone recommend me a windows emulator aside from wine?07:53
farruinnwhat do you have for partitions?07:53
helllfarruinn: this time was with a new cd...thinkin the grub on that cd was fubared07:53
JordanAUi am presently looking for linksys drivers any hits as to that? Also all of my music is stored on a windows Fat32 partition, ubuntu doesn't seem to see it, how do i detect that partition?07:53
zenroxhelll,  have the bios setting saying no pnp os07:53
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cjenningshelll, was there anything on that drive before?07:54
JordanAUhits/hints07:54
zenroxerrr notpnpos07:54
da_bon_bonhi all07:54
da_bon_bonanyone here usin vmware ?07:54
cjenningshyphen, vmware is the only other choice I know of.07:54
cjenningsda_bon_bon, used to, but don't anymore. great software.07:54
helllfarruinn: nothing lal the same...but one thing that i do remember is that i had to use ide=nodma or something like that for my gentoo installation because it wasnt seeing my hds07:54
zenroxhelll,  how fast you burn the cd07:54
hyphencjennings:  thanks, i'll look into that07:54
helllfarruinn: oh yes i had fedora installed on my drive...uh this one i burnt it at 21x07:55
cjenningshyphen, it's non-free software, just so you know.07:55
zenroxhelll,  burn at 4x07:55
hyphenah poop07:55
Quaruptgedit has syntax coloring????07:55
hypheni need something free07:55
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zenroxhelll,  you burn reliably at slower speeds07:55
hypheni'm trying so hard not to go back to windows, but if i can't get my 3d software to run then i must :/07:55
|Gunther|hyphen: ungh. cedega07:55
hyphencedega eh?07:56
zenroxor wineX07:56
helllfarruinn: um...ive burnt hundreds of cds at 51x for os's...never had one fuck up on me....but now i doubt this is a cd issue07:56
zenroxewww07:56
hyphenhaha07:56
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zenroxhelll,  i had to burn at 4x if i burnt faster it woulent get past the grub loader07:56
zenroxeither07:56
farruinnhelll: I think there's your answer ^^^07:57
helllfarruinn: one thing im confused about is the auto-partition only does swap and ext3...no boot partition07:57
farruinnhelll: that could be a problem too =)07:57
zenroxand put /boot on another partion07:57
farruinnhelll: when I do an install I make free space then I "automatically parition the free space"07:57
zenroxand /home in another partion you'll thank me lator07:57
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farruinnzenrox: good call =)07:58
helllfarruinn: heh and i rebooted my computer just now, and its complaining that it doesnt find a god damn os07:58
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farruinnhelll: no /boot makes it unhappy07:58
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farruinnzenrox: good call, of course mine's on a separate drive - makes life so much easier07:58
helllfarruinn: i think the auto partitioner should make a boot...but lemme reinstall sense ive done it half a dozen times im sure this wont do shit07:58
farruinnhelll: well this time if it doesn't make a /boot, make a /boot07:59
farruinnbut the auto partition should create the necessary partitions07:59
dazedhallo all07:59
zenroxfarruinn,  i have a 40 gig 19.7gb /home 20gig /  and a 256mb swap(that i only use 2.88 megs out of)07:59
helllfarruinn: the manual partition thing confuses the hell out of me07:59
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helllfuck it im installing windows07:59
zenroxhelll,  ill walk you tharu it07:59
JordanAUMy new Ubuntu Install does not see my windows fat32 partition, How can I fix this???07:59
zenroxhelll,  msg me07:59
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thoreauputicJordanAU: edit /etc/fstab   put umask=002 and uid=1000 gid=1000 in th eptions field for that partition08:02
thoreauputic*options08:02
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ukilledkennyzenrox, i got the error message xorg is broken or not completely installed08:02
zenroxJordanAU,  read www.ubuntuguide.org08:02
zenroxukilledkenny,  try sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg then the reconfigure one08:02
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eyequeueukilledkenny:  just a quickie: try "sudo apt-get install -f"08:03
poxymoxJordanAU: You need to install fat-filesystem support too, i think08:03
ukilledkennythanx08:03
dazedthoreauputic: Hey...you know why i cant have any other sounds play when xmms is playing?08:03
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poxymoxzenrox: There ist a apt-comand to reconfige too i think08:04
zenroxpoxymox,  ya but the dpkg-reconfigure i think is better08:04
zenroximho08:04
poxymoxok!08:04
jesperIf I should address an official "thank you" for the shipit-program, where should I send it?08:05
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poxymoxjesper: I find an Adress at this pdf: http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~mako/ubuntu_cds-customs_letter-generic.pdf08:12
jesperpoxymox, thanks.08:13
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haydenhow do i install a *.deb file?08:15
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_4strOdpkg -i08:15
haydenok thanks08:15
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iikihey folks08:16
Micksaokay, I have a tricky one08:17
iikiim a linux noob but ill try08:17
MicksaI have a box that was warty and got apt-get dist-upgraded to hoary08:17
Micksaand gnome-panel and nautilus both crash on startup08:17
Micksaeven from a clean account08:17
iikisry cant help08:17
iikiim still on warty08:17
membreyaso can anyone suggest some good gnome based games? already playing chromium and frozen-bubble08:18
Micksado they have to be gnome-based?08:18
membreyapreferably..but any games are good :)08:18
Micksawrite one 8)08:18
membreyalol08:18
azriel0184Micksa, try running them from a console08:19
azriel0184armagetron08:19
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ukilledkennyzenrox, yay08:19
azriel0184he has a point membreya... ;)08:19
iikihas anyone here gotten diablo 2 to run on ubuntu08:20
membreyai can barely type my own name :P08:20
ukilledkennyit worked... didnt use the dpkg-reconfigure command though08:20
haydenhow do i install java 2 sdk?08:20
azriel0184membreya, sounds like youd be perfect for programming ;)08:20
Micksaazriel: I tried from an xterm if that's what you mean ;)08:20
membreyalol azriel018408:21
Micksano change.08:21
_4strOhayden> jrtfm08:21
_4strO:p08:21
iikihayden go to the unbuntu website-->docs-->unoffical startup guide08:21
iikiand it tells there08:21
azriel0184Micksa, what does it say?08:21
Micksait's your standard "application has crashed" dialog08:21
iikitells you everything there08:21
haydennoob08:21
Micksawell, ubuntu's standard :)08:21
zenroxukilledkenny,  have phun08:21
iikii really like unbuntu08:21
azriel0184no idea then08:22
iikifinlly a distro of linux that i can stick w/08:22
ukilledkennycan someone help me install flash on hoary real quick08:22
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Micksa"The Application 'gnome-panel' has quit unexpectedly."08:22
_4strOflash ?08:22
azriel0184membreya, thats why im picking on you ;) :P08:22
ukilledkennythe plugin for firefox08:22
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_4strOukilledkenny> go on www.drum-bass.net08:23
zenroxukilledkenny,  read www.ubuntuguide.org08:23
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ukilledkennyk08:23
Micksaukilledkenny: use synaptic to install a package called "swf-play"08:24
Micksathat should work with firefox, I think.08:24
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helloyoso glad i gave ubuntu another shot, its running sweet!08:24
ukilledkennysynaptic?08:25
_4strOfor install plugin flash u only have to go on a flash website08:25
_4strOand then click on the part where is write that u don't have it08:26
_4strO--> www.ultimatum.fr08:26
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ukilledkennyill download the flash-plugin file from firefox and then run apt-get install flashplayer mozilla08:27
_4strOno08:28
_4strOdowload and instll from firefox08:28
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_4strOjust follow the instruction08:28
ukilledkenny_4strO: i never had any luck with this installation, even with following the instructions... hopefully hoary will be less merciful08:29
_4strO^08:29
_4strOstrange08:30
_4strOnever see pb on it08:30
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_4strOukilledkenny> result ?08:33
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hyphenanyone here familiar with wine and wanna help me out real quick?08:34
_4strOi have to go ...08:35
_4strOsee ya ...08:35
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techn9ne hyphen: #winhq08:36
techn9newinehq08:36
hyphenoh, thanks :P08:36
helloyohow do i get my desktop to reflect my home folder?08:37
raggedgentlemandoes anyone have a compiled ccd2iso?08:37
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raggedgentlemani am having trouble compileing it08:37
raggedgentlemanwhat is aclocal?08:37
raggedgentlemanaclocal.m408:38
crimsunraggedgentleman: aclocal is part of the automake package08:41
crimsunraggedgentleman: aclocal.m4 is a macro file08:41
crimsunraggedgentleman: you can read more about gnu autoconf, automake, etc. via your favourite search engine08:42
raggedgentlemancrimsun, ok well when i try to compile that shit it exits with an error08:42
raggedgentlemanim trying to run make08:42
haydencrimsun, do know how i can install j2sdk08:43
crimsunraggedgentleman: is the 'build-essential' package installed?08:43
Quaruptis there some kind of IRC server that has a setup wizard or a GUI?08:43
crimsunQuarupt: server? not that I know of08:43
raggedgentlemancrimsun, no it was not08:43
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Quaruptok thx08:44
maney_hello08:44
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crimsunraggedgentleman: what program are you trying to compile?08:44
maney_I want to report about conflict at package system.08:44
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maney_if I try to install k3b, and then apt system try to install kcontrol.08:45
raggedgentlemancrimsun, its called ccd2iso08:45
maney_and kcontrol try to overwrite at /usr/bin/kcmshell.08:45
raggedgentlemancrimsun, it takes CloneCD images and converts them into isos08:45
raggedgentlemanyou know .img .ccd .sub08:45
maney_so it is killed by broken pipe.08:45
raggedgentlemanthose08:45
maney_anyone in here try to install k3b?08:45
crimsunraggedgentleman: not familiar w/ the innards of clonecd, sorry.08:45
raggedgentlemancrimsun, yeah well i have some imgs that id like to use with linux08:46
crimsunmaney_: what package/version is conflicting with that file?08:46
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helloyodoes anyone know how to make my desktop reflect my home directory?08:47
raggedgentlemancrimsun, and i dont have any win part. so.. this is my only opt. thanks, so with this package i should be able to build stuff now08:47
thoreauputichelloyo: saw your question - don't understand it08:47
crimsunhayden: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java1508:47
maney_crimsun, kcontrol_4%3a3.3.2-1ubuntu7_i386.deb08:47
maney_I'm hoary.08:47
raggedgentlemancrimsun, maybe this is why ive never successfully compiled anything with a make file08:47
thoreauputichelloyo: what do you mean "mirror " ?08:48
crimsunraggedgentleman: you may need additional -dev packages.08:48
thoreauputicor reflect or whatever08:48
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crimsunmaney_: hmm, it's installed fine here.08:48
helloyothoreauputic, i've worked it out, what i meant was that all my files in the home directory were accesible from the desktop08:49
crimsunmaney_: dpkg -S /usr/bin/kcmshell08:49
thoreauputichelloyo: ok08:49
raggedgentlemancrimsun, yeah... do you know what that package is called?08:49
maney_kdelibs-bin: /usr/bin/kcmshell08:49
maney_it is result of dpkg -S /usr/bin/kcmshell08:49
crimsunmaney_: dpkg -l kdelibs-bin|grep ^ii08:50
crimsunraggedgentleman: there may not be just one package.08:50
maney_ii  kdelibs-bin    3.4.0-0pre1ubu KDE core binaries08:50
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crimsunmaney_: paste the output of the following in #flood: apt-cache policy kdelibs-bin08:51
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prouMkulu, how are you?08:51
raggedgentlemancrimsun, mm great sounds fun.08:51
prouMkulu, time?08:52
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thoreauputicpro: I believe uMkulu is now +q  :(08:53
prommm, seems like it08:53
thoreauputicpro: some controversy about bots yesterday08:53
raggedgentlemancrimsun, so what are u saying? how can i find out wich ones ill need?08:54
crimsunmaney_: hmm. Must have been updated within the past 6 hours.08:54
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raggedgentlemancrimsun, i think i just need this one aclocal.m4 right?08:55
crimsunmaney_: sec, running dist-upgrade08:55
maney_ah... so source mirror site have problem?08:55
raggedgentlemancant i just dl this one file?08:55
maney_ah?;;08:55
maney_ok08:55
crimsunraggedgentleman: why do you need that file? Are you trying to build from upstream cvs/svn?08:55
haydenthanks for the java link crimsun08:55
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crimsunhayden: np08:56
prothoreauputic, i'll make a plan. but the staffer i need to speak to only wakes up later,08:56
crimsunmaney_: did you use apt-get, aptitude, synaptic, or dselect?08:56
prothoreauputic, but thanks, i was tring to look in his logs whats going on08:56
maney_apt-get08:56
crimsunk08:56
crimsun(sec, dist-upgrade is still running)08:56
raggedgentlemanmake08:57
raggedgentlemancd . && /bin/sh /home/raggedgentleman/ccd2iso/missing --run aclocal-1.608:57
raggedgentleman/home/raggedgentleman/ccd2iso/missing: line 46: aclocal-1.6: command not found08:57
raggedgentlemanWARNING: `aclocal-1.6' is needed, and you do not seem to have it handy on your08:57
raggedgentleman         system.  You might have modified some files without having the08:57
raggedgentleman         proper tools for further handling them.  Check the `README' file,08:57
raggedgentleman         it often tells you about the needed prerequirements for installing08:57
raggedgentleman         this package.  You may also peek at any GNU archive site, in case08:57
raggedgentleman         some other package would contain this missing `aclocal-1.6' program.08:57
raggedgentlemanmake: *** [aclocal.m4]  Error 108:57
thoreauputicpro: seems jdub, bob2 and daniels (?) don't want bots in the channel08:57
crimsunraggedgentleman: please don't flood in here08:57
thoreauputicraggedgentleman: I hope that was a mistake...08:57
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raggedgentlemanyeah i didnt know it would send after apast08:58
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membreyalo thoreauputic :)08:58
AcidWolffor some reason i cant seem to satisfy the dependencies for Bittorrent PPC08:59
AcidWolf:(08:59
thoreauputicmembreya: hello - how's life in the sociopathic world?  ;-)08:59
crimsunraggedgentleman: sudo apt-get install automake1.608:59
membreyaemotionally detached :)08:59
membreyabut on the plus side I got squid up and running :)09:00
thoreauputicmembreya: makes sense09:00
membreya:D09:00
thoreauputicmembreya: emotional detachment would be an advantage for getting squid running I would guess...09:00
membreyaintegrate myself into a nerdy world, obtain the information required...and then bail with no remorse :P09:01
thoreauputicmembreya: ah, yes, chameleon tactics...09:02
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membreyai am glad I got squid running though :)09:03
AcidWolfi need some help09:03
AcidWolf Depends: python (>= 2.4) but 2.3.4-1ubuntu1 is to be installed                  Depends: libwxgtk2.4-python but it is not going to be installed09:03
thoreauputicmembreya: glad to hear the detachment is not complete ;-)09:03
AcidWolfi have both those packages installed09:03
crimsunmaney_: try running sudo aptitude dist-upgrade09:04
AcidWolfhowever it still says the dependencies are unmet09:04
AcidWolf:(09:04
crimsunmaney_: using aptitude, I was able to install that package just fine09:04
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raggedgentlemancrimsun, still same error even after installing that new package09:05
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crimsunraggedgentleman: why are you running make directly?09:05
crimsunraggedgentleman: did you run ./configure first?09:05
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maney_crimsun, yes I'll09:05
thoreauputicAcidWolf: tried running sudo apt-get update then attempting the install again?09:05
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raggedgentlemancrimsun, yeah i did, should i do it again, since i installed that new package?09:06
AcidWolfyes i ahve thoreauputic09:06
membreyathoreauputic: ....can you recommend any games?09:06
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crimsunraggedgentleman: yes09:06
thoreauputicAcidWolf: OK - just checking the obvious :)09:06
AcidWolfany other suggestions09:06
thoreauputicmembreya: seduction is always fun, or cycling...09:06
thoreauputicmembreya: or both at once...09:07
membreyaI was talking about linux games, not real life ones :P09:07
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thoreauputicmembreya: ah, there's a difference ... didn't notice ;-)09:08
membreya:P09:08
thoreauputicmembreya: linux is a game for me09:09
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dboHI!09:09
thoreauputic:)09:09
dbois everyone haveing a good day?09:09
dboGOOD!09:09
membreyasadist thoreauputic09:09
[core] hi!09:09
dboi need a p2p program that's in apt-get and will work out of the box09:09
thoreauputicmembreya: did you mean masochist?09:09
dbomake the pain go away09:09
membreyano...sadist09:09
membreyadbo amule :)09:09
thoreauputichehe09:09
membreyaor just download azureus09:10
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membreyaand I call you a sadist thoreauputic because you seem to enjoy taunting me09:10
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membreyaooooo revised compact edition :D09:10
thoreauputicmembreya: mwuhahaha !09:10
thoreauputicmembreya: yes, the Concise Edition :)09:11
membreyait's actually just the index pages for the entire linux manual :)09:11
thoreauputicmembreya: actually it's the Microfiche edition - you need a Microfiche machine from 1975 to read it ;-)09:12
membreyahahah :P09:13
membreyausing punch cards to operate it ?09:13
thoreauputicof course09:13
thoreauputicor jsut patch cords and toggle switches09:13
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membreyaDIP switches :P09:14
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raggedgentlemancrimsun, same error =o(09:17
zenroxone more sucess storie for me09:17
zenroxhelll got his pc to take ubuntu09:17
zenroxthe ubuntu virus strikes agine09:17
thoreauputiczenrox: well done :)09:17
crimsunraggedgentleman: paste the error in #flood09:18
tokoloshispeaking of virus, you guys worked in wnidows lately?09:18
thoreauputiczenrox: what was the problem, in the end?09:18
zenroxthoreauputic, /boot , /home , /09:18
zenroxand swap09:18
membreyatokoloshi: been about a week since I've been to windows09:18
zenroxjust needed /booy09:18
zenroxerr /boot09:18
AcidWolfThe following packages have unmet dependencies:09:18
AcidWolf  libwxgtk2.4-python: Depends: libwxgtk2.4 (>= 2.4.2.6ubuntu1) but 2.4.2.4ubuntu1 is to be installed09:18
AcidWolf:(09:19
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raggedgentlemancrimsun, and i did run ./configure again09:19
zenroxAcidWolf,  your trying to install a progam that uses a hoary package09:19
AcidWolfzenrox i have all the hoary repositiries anabled in /etc/apt/sources.list so shouldnt the dependencies be met automatically09:20
_bryanjust made the switch from Windows to ubuntu, can't find my second hdd. i tried 'mount hdb' and 'mount hdb1' but to no avail09:20
zenroxAcidWolf,  did you do a dist-upgrade09:20
AcidWolfor will it take a dist-upgrade09:20
zenroxit will take a dist-upgrade09:20
crimsunraggedgentleman: apt-get install libtool autoconf09:21
membreya_bryan: does dmesg show it's been found?09:21
AcidWolfno i havent done dist upgrade cause i am running on Apple G4 powerbook and haory runs extremely unstable for me on it09:21
zenroxthen un enable the hoary sorces09:21
_bryanyup, it says: hdb: WDC WD1600JB-00GVA0, ATA DISK drive09:21
zenroxand stick with warty09:21
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AcidWolfso then if i wanted to use bittorrent in warty what would i have to do09:22
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AcidWolfive tried alot of things09:22
membreya_bryan: what command are you using to mount the drive?09:22
_bryaneerr, i did 'mount /dev/hdb'09:23
zenroxAcidWolf, i dont know wnay other way other then compiling it your self09:23
AcidWolfok09:23
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hyphenhere's a super noob question for you guys09:24
thoreauputicapt-get -t hoary install package   might work, but I haven't tried that on ubuntu09:24
hyphenif i wanted to run a setup file in my cdrom with wine through a terminal, how would i do that?09:24
zenroxthoreauputic, ya but mixing warty with hoary is asken for truble09:24
thoreauputiczenrox: yes09:24
zenroxhyphen, wine progam.exe09:25
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hyphenfrom any directory?09:25
zenroxin the cdrom dir09:25
membreya_bryan: you need to give it a mount point09:25
hyphenhow do i get there?  it doesn't have a letter assigned?09:25
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thoreauputichyphen: else you would need the full path to the .exe09:25
tokoloshii assume warty and  hoary are 2 versions of ubuntu?09:25
hyphen[sorry about the newbish question] 09:25
_bryanok09:26
zenroxhyphen,  its ok09:26
_bryanso, a mount point would be?09:26
thoreauputichyphen: hey, that's what the channel is here for09:26
hyphen;)09:26
zenroxand some theratics09:26
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hyphenso what's the path to my cdroms?09:26
tokoloshi_bryan, man mount     ( thats disgusting, thats why i learned the manpage for mount )09:27
membreya_bryan: /mnt/(second harddrive) ..you will need to create a directory09:27
zenroxerr /media09:27
hyphenooh09:27
zenroxhyphen, /media09:27
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hyphensweet, thanks guys09:27
zenroxcdrom1 and 2 etccc09:27
thoreauputiczenrox: theratics? theatrics? ?09:27
zenroxtheatrics09:27
michaelHi ! can someone help me? i del. the ubuntu HDD but now xp does not start up GRUB loading Error 22 is the message!09:27
zenroxi think09:27
thoreauputicah I guessed corectly, as my French teacher used to say ... :)09:28
zenroxmichael,  reboot using the winxp cdrom and tell it to fix mbr09:28
promichael,  get the windows disk and fdisk /mbr09:28
azriel0184if you only have XP on the system, boot the install cd, go to a recovery shell and type "fixmbr"09:28
zenroxazriel0184,  thats it right thare09:28
proand michael, you took ubuntu off and want to run XP and you ask here for help? traitor09:29
michaelthanks a lot !! try it now !!! Michael09:29
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zenroxlol09:29
hyphenargg09:29
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hyphenthis is such a pain, wine says that maya 6.0 works, but it doesn't even run the setup properly09:29
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zenroxhehehehehheheheh09:29
hyphenit doesn't even run it at all09:29
zenroxhyphen,  google it time maya 6.0 +linux09:30
_bryanso the drive i want to mount has lots of important stuff on it, it's probably ntfs, so when i mount it as a ext3 am i going to loose all my data?09:30
hyphenthats what i've been doing09:30
crimsun_bryan: you can't mount ntfs as ext309:30
hypheni just keep finding articles on maya working with redhat and fedora09:30
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membreya_bryan: it's PROBABLY NTFS?09:31
zenroxread what thay are doing some of that will work execpt the rpm stuff09:31
membreyahow can you not know ?09:31
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_bryanok 'it is ntfs'09:31
_bryanbetter?09:31
membreya_bryan: in my fstab file I have /dev/sda1       /media/temp    ntfs    umask=0222      0       009:31
hyphenthat's what it's all about, rpms [whatever those are] .  i guess alias made a version for linux, but it only really works with redhat09:31
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hyphenand fedora09:32
crimsun_bryan: I'm not sure why you'd try to mount a ntfs partition as any filesystem type other than ntfs...09:32
thoreauputic_bryan: membreya is a self-confessed sociopath - humour him ;-)09:32
zenroxhyphen,  you might try to compile the code your self09:32
hyphenthe wine source?09:32
membreyaand you're a glorified bum..what's your point thoreauputic09:32
zenroxhyphen,  why not09:32
hyphenbecause im a total newb, lol09:32
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zenroxlol09:32
thoreauputicmembreya: ah, I've been promoted!09:33
_bryanok, sorry, i read the man wrong, i thought i could only mount ext2, ext3 and xfs09:33
_bryanmy bad09:33
membreyayes thoreauputic ..you've been problems from bum to glorified bum :) you're almost human now09:33
zenroxmembreya,  ya your the uperclass bum09:34
membreyaerm09:34
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membreyaproblems = promoted09:34
thoreauputicmembreya: oh, no! Anything but that!09:34
membreyadamnit..stop multitasking Adam09:34
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kuru_someone helped me with this before and i can't seem to remember how it worked and can't get it to work again.. I can't seem to be able to burn cd's09:34
kuru_thoreauputic: i think you were there ;)09:34
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membreyazenrox: if you choose to insult me ...do it properly.. it's "you're the upperclass bum" ...u09:35
kuru_I remember it had something to do with -dev=0,0,0 since I have a cdrw and a dvd drive.. both my hdd's are scsi's but my cdrw and dvd's are atapi09:35
zenroxmembreya, ill try to rember that09:35
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raggedgentlemancrimsun, thank you so much09:35
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membreya:)09:35
thoreauputiczenrox: we need a grammar bot - membreya wil do nicely :)09:35
raggedgentlemancrimsun, it freekin works09:35
zenroxthoreauputic,  i agreee09:36
membreya:P09:36
membreyapeople at work call me robot..so why not :(09:36
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zenroxhahahahahahhaha09:36
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kuru_when I do 'cdrecord dev=ATAPI -scanbus' I get 0,0,0     0) 'HL-DT-ST' 'DVD-ROM GDR8162B' '0015' Removable CD-ROM09:36
poxymox kuru_: Your dev-ID: cdrecord --scanbus09:36
crimsunraggedgentleman: good to hear.09:37
kuru_poxymox: eh?09:37
poxymoxnothing ... :-)09:37
zenroxcrimsun,  the ubuntu virus strikes ??09:37
crimsunaye09:37
membreyathey wanted to call me bender (the robot from futurama) but then I enlightened them to the other connotations of the word :P09:38
kuru_crimsun: i think you were the one who helped me last time?09:38
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crimsunkuru_: with what, if I may ask?09:38
zenroxmembreya,  lol09:38
kurucrimsun: with burning cd's09:38
zenroxlook we are building client tell09:39
crimsunkuru: hmm, I don't remember helping anyone with cd burning, but what issues are you having?09:39
zenroxevery one has there fav ubuntu geek09:39
kurucrimsun: it keeps saying that it can't open /dev/sg* , etc.09:39
crimsunkuru: audio or data?09:40
membreyazenrox: you mean clientele?09:40
kurucrimsun: either09:40
zenroxthx agine membreya09:40
zenroxlol09:40
Benjamin_Lwill firefox 1.0.1 make it into hoary ?09:40
zenroxBenjamin_L,  probly09:40
crimsunkuru: sudo cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc foo.iso09:40
crimsunkuru: or, sudo cdrecord -audio -pad -dao dev=/dev/hdc *.wav09:41
kurucrimsun: no no no.. that's not my problem ;)09:41
crimsunkuru: the important part is that you use the correct /dev node09:41
Benjamin_Lok, we'll see. hopefully macromedia will release a 64 bit version of their flash plugin anytime soon...09:41
zenroxcrimsun,  if its /dev/sg ant that a diferent protical09:41
zenroxform apti09:41
kurumaybe that's t09:41
kuruit09:41
zenroxfrom apit09:41
membreyahopefully Benjamin_L :)09:41
kurucrimsun: how do I know the correct dev node?09:42
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crimsunkuru: you don't need to use dev=0,1,0 or anything; that's the old method. With Linux 2.6, you're supposed to use the new semantics, i.e., /dev/hdX where X is your drive letter09:42
prokuru, what do you mean the device node?09:42
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kurupro: ask crimsun ;) /dev/hd*09:43
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crimsunkuru: err, who's having the cd burning issue(s)?09:43
kurucrimsun: I think I remember what the problem was.. it's exactly what you have described09:44
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crimsunkuru: you can find out which device it is by: grep ATAPI /var/log/dmesg09:45
crimsunfor instance, on my current machine, it's hdc09:45
bassehi, the ubuntu website is a bit messy.. could somebody tell me where I could get the currently used backgrounds that come with kubuntu?09:45
danielsdoes anyone else here have a PCIE video card?  if so, would you mind grabbing http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/pcibustype.c, running gcc -o pcibustype pcibustype.c, then sudo ./pcibustype $(lspci -X | grep 'VGA compatible controller' | cut -f1 -d' '), and telling me what the output is?09:45
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hyphenanother question, how do i edit my shell?09:46
hypheni guess i'm supposed to set an environment variable in the shell...just don't know how to get to it09:47
membreyaedit your shell? :|09:47
hyphen Your program might require some environment variable to be set properly in order to run successfully. In this case you need to set this environment variable in the Linux shell09:47
_bryanI keep getting "mount: /dev/hdb already mounted or /mnt/hdb busy09:48
_bryan"09:48
azriel0184VARIABLE="value"09:48
hypheni know the syntax, they give the variable to set09:48
hypheni just don't know how to put it in the linux shell09:48
_bryanbut a 'mount' doesn't show hdb being mounted09:48
azriel0184_bryan: cat /etc/mtab | grep /dev/hdb09:48
crimsun_bryan: /dev/hdb is a device, not a partition. You can only mount partitions.09:49
azriel0184ohh... right :)09:49
crimsun_bryan: in other words, mount a partition on /dev/hdb such as /dev/hdb109:49
_bryanahh09:49
azriel0184ignore me _bryan09:49
_bryanwell that makes more sense09:49
haydenwhere do xmms themes go?09:50
thoreauputichayden: ~/.xmms09:50
haydenok thanks09:50
_bryannow it says i don't have the permissions necessary to view it09:50
_bryan(it mounted)09:51
thoreauputichayden: ~.xmms/Skins in fact09:51
haydenyep09:51
haydenthanks09:51
thoreauputicbah ~/.xmms/Skins09:51
haydenlol09:51
crimsun_bryan: you need to pass umask [and possibly uid and gid]  parameters to mount09:51
_bryan:o09:51
_bryan*brain explodes*09:51
membreya    umask=0222      0       009:51
azriel0184or access it as root...09:52
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_bryanok, im going to actually go read the whole manpage this time09:52
_bryanthanks for all the help!09:52
thoreauputicmembreya: I'd be more permissive ( umask=002 )09:52
waseemhi im using a coolpix nikon 3200 digital camera, and when i connect it to my computer, it only lets me import photos and not any of the .mov files09:52
thoreauputicmembreya: but then, as a bum, I'm allowed to be permissive...09:52
waseemis there anyway i can manually import the .mov files??09:53
_bryanso to unmount i do 'umount /dev/hdb1' right?09:53
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membreya:P09:53
waseemanyone here that can help me09:53
scizzo_bryan: unmount the mountpoint09:54
crimsun_bryan: no, use the mountpoint, not the partition you mounted09:54
azriel0184either way works doesnt it?09:54
_bryanseems to have worked09:54
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waseemdoes anyone here know how to import everything from a usbdisk onto my computer?09:54
azriel0184except umounting the /dev will umount all mounts of the /dev09:54
haydenhow do i extract a .tar.gz in Terminal?09:54
azriel0184tar -xzf file.tar.gz09:55
johns^hayden: tar xzvf *tar.gz09:55
_bryantar zxvf file.tar.gz09:55
crimsunyes, you _can_ use the device, but that's a _bad_ idea if you have union mounts or bound mounts.09:55
membreyahayden: with tar? :)09:55
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azriel0184membreya, no, with your head ;)09:55
membreya:P09:55
hyphenhow do i edit the linux shell to add a variable?09:55
azriel0184hyphen, VARIABLE_NAME="value"09:56
hyphenah09:57
azriel0184eg. MEMBREYA="aussie"09:57
waseemdoes anyone here know how to import everything onto your computer from a usb?09:57
hyphenso i can just pop that into my terminal?  or is there an actual file i need to open?09:57
azriel0184waseem, mount the usb drive?09:57
poxymoxhyphen: In Your  ~/.bashrc09:57
azriel0184hyphen, no09:57
hyphenooh09:57
azriel0184well, either way09:58
thoreauputicazriel0184: MEMBREYA="sociopath" THOREAUPUTIC="bum"09:58
Amaranthooh, ubuntu-calendar-march09:58
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azriel0184thoreauputic, AZRIEL="awesome" ;)09:58
azriel0184or AZRIEL="humble"09:58
thoreauputicAZRIEL="modest"09:58
AmaranthAMARANTH=$DIETY09:58
membreyaazriel="self righteous"09:59
azriel0184heh09:59
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Amaranthactually, i think this name has something to do with a god in hindu10:00
Amarantherr, hindi10:00
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waseemazriel0184: is there a command i could type that would just automatically import everything from my camera onto my computer?10:00
azriel0184me?10:00
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azriel0184its hebrew actually10:00
elvirolohi all!10:00
Amaranthno, my name10:00
waseem...?10:00
azriel0184waseem, dont think so, but try mounting the usb device with mount, then cp /mount/point/*10:01
waseemthe problem is it lets me import all the photos i want10:01
waseembut none of the movies10:01
crimsun(don't forget the destination)10:01
azriel0184well yea...10:01
waseemok ive never mounted before since im so new to linux10:02
waseemdo you think you could walk me through it?10:02
azriel0184mount /whatever/the/usb/is /media/usb; cp /media/usb/* ./10:02
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azriel0184something like that10:02
waseemthe name of the usb?10:03
tranceConsciouswhat is the hoary distribution and where do i get it for amd64???10:03
basseso, are the background art of ubuntu downloadable anywhere? I'm doing one background and need as reference for coloring.10:03
waseemlike this /media/usbdisk/dcim/?10:03
elviroloi've got a strange prob with my hoary setup : after having chosen my DE in the login manager, an Xdialog window comes up (yeah, that ugly thing) and tells me : "Xsession: warning : unable to write to /tmp, X session may exit with an error" and then X.org just restarts ... I've (even) tried doing a chmod 777 on /tmp, and it still doesn't work ...10:03
elvirolocould anyone help me ?10:03
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thoreauputicbasse: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-calendar10:04
elvirolotranceConscious: hoary is the developement version of Ubuntu10:04
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tranceConsciouselvirolo: where do I get it from?10:04
bassethoreauputic: sorry, I'm not actually running ubuntu myself :)10:04
elvirolotranceConscious: depends, what are you running now ?10:05
elvirolono ideas anyone ?10:05
fscis hoary updates overwriting sounds settings? i'm a duck in water10:05
membreyatranceConscious: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/array-6/hoary-install-amd64.iso10:05
thoreauputicbasse: ah.... why not? ;-)10:05
tranceConsciousthanx10:05
bassethoreauputic: well, I'm debian user.. and I see no reason to switch really.. especially when ubuntu is based on this :)10:05
membreyaubuntu Pwns10:06
thoreauputicOK basse, I'll let you off then ;-)10:06
membreyaas thoreauputic would say10:06
elvirolois there an X log I could access somewhere ?10:06
bassethoreauputic: I am contributing a background tho .. :) if I find the current ones somewhere. the "holding hands" and if there are other.10:06
membreyaelvirolo: /var/log/ Xorg.0.log10:07
membreyawithout the space between / and X :P10:07
elvirolomembreya: thx10:07
elvirolo:)10:07
thoreauputicbasse: there are a few here >> http://www.brisgeek.com/etiquette/downloads.html10:08
tranceConsciousmembreya: is that the latest hoary release??10:08
membreyatranceConscious: yes it is10:08
membreyaarray 610:08
thoreauputicbasse: but not the "brown" ones (these are pre-GIMP, I guess)10:08
tranceConsciousmembreya: Any ideas about how to make my waveterminal 192L soundcard to work?10:09
basseok.. but it's getting there.. atleast I see the poses.10:09
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bassethanks.10:09
membreyano idea10:09
thoreauputicno worries10:09
bassei have gimp palette for ubuntu.. that I managed to find from wiki (man it's messy)10:09
azriel0184hey, what does does a usb drive show up as in /dev ?10:10
tranceConsciousanyone knows how to make waveterminal 192L work ?????10:10
crimsunazriel0184: as a scsi mass storage, e.g. /dev/sda110:10
tranceConsciousand how to make my usb modem work?10:10
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_bryanwhat would i use for 'gid' in mounting options10:11
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thoreauputic_bryan: probably 1000 or your user name10:11
elvirolostrange, nothing seems wrong in the log ...10:11
elvirolocould anyone help me?10:11
membreyajust use UID :P10:11
_bryanok10:12
membreyadon't listen to thoreauputic, he's becoming old and senile10:12
johnnybezakhey guys i'm getting an error with rhythmbox when i try to play songs it says "Could not pause playback" and "could not open resource for writing"10:12
johnnybezakanyone know what this could be10:12
thoreauputicmembreya: and humourless :)10:12
membreya:P10:12
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crimsun_bryan: getent passwd $USER|awk -F: '{ print $4 }'10:13
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crimsun_bryan: whatever the output of that ^^ is10:13
johnnybezaki knew it would be a bad idea restarting :P10:13
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_bryani had my uid and umask, was just stuck on gid10:14
_bryanbeautiful10:14
_bryani got it :D10:14
_bryanfinally10:14
thoreauputiccrimsun: wow - that's a geeky way to get output you could eyeball from the 'groups' command :)10:14
thoreauputicbut looks impressive, I admit ;)10:15
crimsunthoreauputic: granted, but getent is the portable method10:15
thoreauputicOK ;-)10:15
_bryanwhat's the right way to exit out of manpages?10:15
johnnybezakq10:15
crimsun'q'10:15
membreyalol :P10:15
johnnybezakintuitive hey10:15
johnnybezak:P10:15
thoreauputicwatch your 'p's and 'q's .....10:16
thoreauputicsorry... lame10:16
_bryannow i can stop ctrl-z'n out of them10:16
johnnybezakhehe certainly was10:16
elvirolostrange, my X server starts up, but i just doesn't load any DE ... i've looked thorouly through the log, and i still can't find the reason why...10:16
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membreyahttp://www.wordorigins.org/wordorp.htm#mind%20your%20p's%20&10:17
membreyathere you go thoreauputic :)10:17
thoreauputiclooking :)10:17
Quaruptwhen running kubunti, will i still get a system tray icon when updates are availible?10:17
QuaruptKubuntu*10:17
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_bryanmmmmmm10:20
_bryanmusic10:20
_bryanfinally10:20
thoreauputicmembreya: very informative :)10:20
_bryanthanks to all10:20
membreyathoreauputic: I love that site :)10:20
membreyaetymology always interests me :)10:20
_bryanyou guys must get a million thanks a day10:20
thoreauputicmembreya: yeah, I can see one could spend much time browsing it10:20
_bryan(or gals)10:21
thoreauputic_bryan: nah, mostly we get abused by people like membreya10:21
membreya:P10:21
_bryanso, am i stuck in 1024x786 if there's no linux drivers for my video?10:22
membreyathoreauputic: another good site is http://www.panikon.com/phurba/alteng/10:22
_bryaneverything is onboard via Asus P4R800-VM10:23
_bryanATI Radeon 9100 IGP10:23
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crimsun_bryan: hoary has a version of the ATI drivers that support hardware accelerated 3D10:25
crimsunerr, apologies.10:25
crimsunthe release notes say only 2D support10:25
crimsunhttp://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/linux_8.10.19.html10:26
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f00f_bugi seem to be having troubles with xmms... i cant seem to play any files, its says the sound card is blocked. the music player packaged with ubuntu works fine.. i was wondering if anyone had any suggestions10:32
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crimsunf00f_bug: change the output plugin to esound10:32
f00f_bugcrimsun: oh my, i could have swore i tried that! :] 10:33
thoreauputichypatia: someone with your nick comes here from Canada - travelling, or different person?10:33
bassef00f_bug: !10:33
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hypatiathoreauputic: different person. Are you talking about hypa7ia?10:34
thoreauputicah - I see10:34
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hypatiathoreauputic: I've had this nick registered on freenode since 99 or so.10:35
thoreauputicyes, hypa7ia indeed10:35
thoreauputicOK10:35
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thoreauputic:)10:35
hypatiaI don't think I've been here at the same time as hypa7ia, but people mention her/him :)10:35
thoreauputichypatia: her10:36
danielsthere can only be one10:36
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hypatiaI would guess that, but some people occasionally refer to me as "him" as well, so I thought there was an outside possibility of there being a male version of this nick :)10:36
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waseemwhat is the bash command to delete a file/directory?10:37
hypatiadaniels: who is the fastest draw on nickserv kill, that's the question...10:37
thoreauputichypatia: and neither of you are from Alexandria :)10:37
hypatiawaseem: rm10:37
waseemthanks hypatia10:37
hypatiawaseem: "rm -rf [directory name] " to delete a non-empty directory, but make sure you get [directory name]  right ;)10:38
hypatiathoreauputic: first one there wins.10:38
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waseemhypatia: it does not prompt to me answer whether or not i am sure i want to remove a directory, but it does when i want to remove a file10:39
waseemany reason for this?10:39
membreyahypatia isn't it rm -Rf ?10:39
waseem-rf worked for me10:40
tranceConscioushow do i upgrade warty to hoary with synaptic???10:40
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membreyatranceConscious: edit your /etc/apt/sources.lst and make all refs to warty > hoary10:41
hypatiamembreya: -r and -R both mean "recursive"10:41
thoreauputicwaseem: possibly you have an alias for rm that makes it rm -i10:42
membreyaforce of habit to use -R :P10:42
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thoreauputicwaseem: type ` alias` to see10:42
waseemutic waseem: type ` alias` to see10:42
waseemalias cp='cp -i'10:42
waseemalias ls='ls --color=auto'10:42
waseemalias mv='mv -i'10:42
waseemalias rm='rm -i'10:42
membreyathere u go :)10:42
membreyathey're all interactive :)10:43
waseemhmm so what does it mean if i have an alias of rm -i10:43
tranceConsciousmembreya: I 've had this question a long time now. Does that upgrade the kernel as well or do I have to do the kernel upgrade manually???10:43
waseemlike what made it an alias10:43
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thoreauputicwaseem: -i means it asks each time10:43
hypatiatranceConscious: In synaptics preferences, edit any of the http://...ubuntu.com lines that have warty in them10:43
waseembut it didnt ask when i wanted to delete the directory10:43
hypatiatranceConscious: change all occurences of 'warty' to 'hoary'10:43
hypatiatranceConscious: that's the same as editing /etc/apt/sources.list directly.10:44
thoreauputicwaseem: no, because you used -rf and f "forces" it10:44
waseemoh ok10:44
waseemthanks10:44
thoreauputicwaseem: -rf should be used with care10:44
thoreauputicfor obvious reasons10:44
membreyarm -rf / :P10:45
thoreauputicmembreya: don't even write it - someone might *do* it!10:45
membreya:(10:45
Myrttiindeed10:46
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Myrtti/me slaps membreya around a bit with a good old Win98 install floppy pack10:46
waseemmembreya: i typed in rm -rf / and everythings screwing up10:46
tranceConsciousmembreya: I 've had this question a long time now. Does that upgrade the kernel as well or do I have to do the kernel upgrade manually???10:46
tranceConsciousmembreya: I 've had this question a long time now. Does that upgrade the kernel as well or do I have to do the kernel upgrade manually???10:46
waseemoh my god10:46
waseemwhats happening10:46
hypatia[danger]  "rm -rf ." and "rm -rf ~" are the more common lethal ones when you're not logged in as root...10:46
thoreauputicheh... I guess most people wouldn't even know what "six of the best" means any more10:46
membreyanope :P10:47
helloyoi sure don't10:47
Myrttiwaseem: for real?10:47
hypatiatranceConscious: if you've got linux-ARCH (eg linux-686, linux-k7, linux-powerpc) installed, the kernel will upgrade automatically.10:47
waseemno10:47
Myrttiphew10:47
waseembut it would suck if i really did it, huh10:47
thoreauputicwaseem: I've seen it happen...10:47
membreyacan't find it in my etymology pages thoreauputic :P10:47
Myrttithoreauputic: me too10:47
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waseemthat would really suck10:47
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thoreauputicmembreya: schoolmasters used to say it - six cuts of the cane10:48
tranceConscioushypatia: how do i check which linux-ARCH I 've got???10:48
waseemif you have everything backed up it wouldnt be too bad because installing ubuntu isnt very hard10:48
membreyaouch :P10:48
thoreauputicuname -m10:48
Myrttia channel where I was on as a op had a rule that everyone that suggested doing rm -rf / to a newbie was banned for two weeks10:48
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thoreauputictranceConscious: uname -m was for you10:48
waseemthis kind of reminds me, have any of you heard that aol_call that tells people over the phone to type something into the command line10:48
waseemthat deletes everything on their computer10:49
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membreyatranceConscious: cat /proc/version :)10:49
tranceConsciousi68610:49
hypatiaMyrtti: It'd be a violation of the Ubuntu community code of conduct I'd think (or at least, it doesn't sound considerate to me!)10:49
tranceConsciousdoes that mean that when I change my sources and do the upgrade the kernel will upgrade automatically?10:49
thoreauputictranceConscious: well, that's your answer10:49
hypatiatranceConscious: check if you've got the linux-686 package installed.10:50
hypatiatranceConscious: if so, yes. if not, install it and it will be upgraded in future.10:50
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waseemis there any way to manually stop a command?10:50
thoreauputicwaseem: ctrl -C10:50
membreyawaseem: ctrl_c10:50
waseemlike if i did accidently type in rm -rf /10:50
waseemok10:50
membreya:P10:50
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membreya:|10:50
membreyawhat have I done? :|10:50
membreyalol10:50
membreyahmmmm cat /proc/version gives gcc version 3.3.5 yet gcc -v gives gcc version 3.4.410:51
thoreauputicwaseem: by the time you typed that, half your /etc/dir would be gone, probably10:51
waseemhaha ya...but its worth a shot i guess10:51
hyphenomg10:51
hyphenwine is giving me a headache10:52
membreyahyphen: don't drink so much then10:52
membreyaor drink it with a glass of water on the side10:52
thoreauputicwaseem: yes, and I've seen a debian woody install resurrected from exactly that scenario10:52
hyphenhaha10:52
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hyphencant get this damn thing to work properly10:52
hyphenits making me sad in the pants10:52
waseemive grown to love linux.10:52
waseembut i kinda hate it at the same time...10:53
membreyamwuahaha another foolish convertee10:53
waseembecause a lot of the hardware i have doesnt work10:53
membreyawaseem: why because it makes your head work ?10:53
waseemunless i type billions of commands10:53
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Myrttihypatia: perhaps so, but we didn't want people shouting out "good" advices like that. Other good advices that deserved the giver to be banned were "alt+f4", "which one won, /quit or /part?", "goatse", "tubgirl" and etc.10:53
waseemmembreya: ya windows slowly makes everyone dumber and dumber10:53
waseemits a big chance10:53
waseemchange*10:53
Myrttiperhaps not for weeks, but for some time10:53
waseembut some things are simply not compatible with linux10:53
membreyahmmm I don't think linux itself has billions and billions of lines of code10:53
Myrttilinux is the kernel, n'est pas?10:54
hypatiaMyrtti: Um, I don't what you're trying to tell me.10:54
hypatiaMyrtti: I'm not saying the banning would be against the code of conduct (although it might be).10:54
waseemhaha welll when you first see linux and someone working with it, you start to think in the billions range10:54
tranceConsciousI want to set up my ubuntu here in the office as a fileserver for my windows network. how do I create windows shares??? (I have all packages that say samba in synaptic)10:54
membreyawow Myrtti ...www.goatse.cx is a site I haven't heard in ages :P10:54
hypatiaMyrtti: I'm saying that giving dumb/evil advice like "rm -rf /" would be!10:54
Myrttiyes10:54
tranceConsciousand something else, is there a gui for configuring samba in x???10:55
hypheni got another question10:55
Myrttiyet, some people seem to be childish enough to play around with something like that :->10:55
membreyatranceConscious: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#sambaserver10:55
membreyaother thing you can use to admin it is webmin10:55
hypheneverytime i reboot, the nameservers i add get deleted10:55
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hyphenhow do i get them to stay?10:55
waseemthe thing with linux is everything starts from scratch10:55
thoreauputictranceConscious: loats of info on http://ubuntuguide.org10:55
waseemyou need to isntall every driver10:55
helloyoi have a fresh warty warthog install, and openoffice doesn't work (setup.bin not found)10:55
waseemi still havent gotten my webcam and ipod to work10:56
thoreauputicwaseem: no you don't!10:56
membreyawaseem: good luck with your webcam :P10:56
waseemand plugins for movies in browsers are external10:56
waseemthey dont play in the browser10:56
Hannes_iPod is quite easy10:56
thoreauputicwaseem: I haven't needed to install *any* drivers on this machine10:56
waseemhannes: would you mind help me set it up?10:56
azriel0184i was at school once and we were setting up linux boxes and the teacher told me to remove linux from it and i thought right... "rm -rf /"10:56
azriel0184its interesting to watch10:57
Hannes_why to play media in a browser? It's ment to browse web pages, or?10:57
asproipod with usb cord is a sinch, plug it in then modify gtkpod to see the auto-mounted location10:57
waseemthoreauputic: the only thing that was simple was connecting my digital camera to my computer and importing photos10:57
waseemother than that its difficult10:57
azriel0184another good one is "rm -rfv /" [warning: dont do this]  :)10:57
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Hannes_or just "rm -rf *" in /10:58
thoreauputicazriel0184: so you can watch the disaster unfold before your eyes?10:58
waseemaspro: i downloaded gtkpod, and connected my ipod, but the system did not recognize it10:58
waseemim gonna work with it tomorrow though10:58
azriel0184thoreauputic, why not?10:58
asprousb cord?10:58
asproor firewire10:58
waseemusb10:58
asprofirewire takes some hassle10:58
membreyawaseem: that will teach you to be a yuppie with an iPod :P10:58
waseemmembreya: haha i know but i love the thing10:58
waseemi did not get it because everyone else got one10:58
waseemwell at least i like to believe that10:58
thoreauputicazriel0184: interesting in a twisted kind of way, yeah ... hehe10:58
asproihave gotten every one (excl. photo) since gen 210:59
stefanomasiniI just installed ubuntu. it didn't ask for a root password. how can I log in as root?10:59
azriel0184well i had the computer and some free time... so why not...10:59
Hannes_stefanomasini: sudo10:59
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thoreauputicstefanomasini: you don't - you use sudo10:59
azriel0184i killed it half way through.... NOTHING worked... :P10:59
stefanomasiniouch10:59
azriel0184/bin is the first thing to go...10:59
thoreauputicstefanomasini: with your user password10:59
stefanomasinii didnt' try that...10:59
Hannes_thoreauputic: 1159.22 < Hannes_> stefanomasini: sudo10:59
stefanomasinithanks!10:59
waseemwhen i set up my root password i just typed in passwd11:00
waseemand then said su11:00
membreyahmmm has anyone here gotten qtparted working?11:00
thoreauputicHannes_: yes, I'm a slow typist - your point?11:00
waseemhahah11:01
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Hannes_thoreauputic: no, just tought you don't read anything11:01
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thoreauputicHannes_: no, I'm just not a touch typist11:02
thoreauputicHannes_: while you were typing I was looking down11:02
Myrttinitpickers11:02
Myrttimove on11:02
waseemhaha wow an argument over something so little11:02
topyliheh11:02
thoreauputichmm... I wasn't arguing - merely explaining...11:03
topylithis really is a premium channel for technical discussion :)11:03
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YankDownUnderIs beer technical?11:03
waseemok heres a stupid question, maybe one of you could answer it. I want to add nicotine to the panel, but i cant locate the file11:03
thoreauputiccan be...11:03
waseemi usually just type it in the command line11:03
Myrttitopyli: yes, quite good one. I've seen worse, lot worse. And you've probably tried those11:03
Myrttiif I guess correctly11:04
waseemany ideas on how i can add it to the panel?11:04
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topyliMyrtti: i'm only kidding :)11:04
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Myrttitopyli: perhaps, but there is a teeny weeny bit of truth in that11:04
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helloyocould some-one help me with my fresh 4.10 install? openoffice won't work11:05
Myrttino newbie bashing here11:05
thoreauputicMyrtti: well, only occasionally, anyway ;-)11:05
mirakwhy does ubuntu ppc on macintosh tries to install quik boot loader instead of Yaboot ?11:06
topyliMyrtti: flames do burst on the best of channels and newsgroups and mailing lists, even #ubuntu11:06
topylinatural11:06
Myrttitopyli: and some channels are nothing but flamebaits11:06
Myrttitry IRCNets #linux.fi11:06
Jergosh_SSuppose I'm writing a Linux basics course for teachers and I want to include screenshots from Ubuntu (login screen etc), since I recommend it. Do I have ask for permission (and whom)?11:06
Myrttifirst class newbie bashing11:06
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azriel0184Myrtti, sorry, but you will always get newbie bashing11:06
thoreauputichelloyo: have you tried typing, in  a terminal  ` oowriter` ?11:07
topyliMyrtti: i'm on #linux.fi right now. it doesn't have much to do with linux11:07
azriel0184and what sort of support do ou get if you know what you rar doing?11:07
helloyothoreauputic, yep, it says setup.bin cannot be found, and it isn't there11:07
thoreauputichmmm11:07
helloyoremove it, and download it?11:08
thoreauputichelloyo: same if you type ` openoffice` ?11:08
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Myrttiwell, as always, your mileage may vary11:08
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helloyothoreauputic, yeah11:09
waseemok I have a  TI-89 Titanium, how do i transfer programs onto the calculator using the TI connect program?11:09
topyliMyrtti: #linux.fi is a bunch of old friends chatting away. if you bother them with a linux question, they will make an example out of you :)11:09
thoreauputichelloyo: try ` sudo dpkg-reconfigure openoffice.org `11:09
helloyothoreauputic, still the same11:10
waseemdoes anyone here use the Texas Instruments calculators?11:10
Myrttitopyli: I'd leave that smiley off, or change it to :-/11:10
helloyoit only updated the dictionary11:10
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thoreauputichelloyo: hmm ... sudo apt-get install --reinstall openoffice.org11:11
Myrttiwell, it's a good thing I've found other ways of asking assistance with my computer problems11:11
thoreauputichelloyo: worth a shot..11:11
topyliooh! there's an interesting note in the release notes for gnome-games 2.10: in iagno, "the AI player no longer cheats". and how i've wondered about my poor success ;)11:11
helloyothoreauputic, yeah, will that download it?11:12
thoreauputichelloyo: no, just reinstall it from cache11:12
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Myrttiok, time to go to crocery store11:12
thoreauputicunless you've wiped the cache of course...11:13
Myrttita-ta, folks11:13
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thoreauputicbye Myrtti11:13
topyliMyrtti: yeah, forget #linux.fi unless you joined the channel two years ago or something. its name is deceiving, it has (d)evolved into something completely different11:13
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waseemHi, Im using a TI-89 Titanium, what program do I use to transfer programs onto the calculator? Should I just download the TI connect software for mac?11:14
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ericlu all11:15
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airoxhi eric11:17
azriel0184waseem, you might be able to force it to run on linux... dunno though11:17
ericthey debian is not ubuntu11:17
erici just want to use linux .. can i without fighting ?11:17
aspro....11:18
airoxwaseem: http://tilp.info/ check that site out11:18
airox?11:18
thoreauputiceric: you tried #debian, I'm guessing...11:18
eric:)11:18
topylieric: using linux is easier if you don't fight it :)11:18
thoreauputiceric: you won't have to fight here11:18
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ericok so i'll stay here11:18
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thoreauputiceric: if you're using ubuntu, yes, welcome11:19
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waseemok well i downloaded the mac program onto my computer11:20
waseemnow how do i force it to work?11:20
airox...11:20
thoreauputicwaseem: give it a stern lecture?11:20
topyliwaseem: is it source?11:20
waseemtopyli: .dmg file11:21
airoxwaseem: http://www.ticalc.org/pub/unix/11:21
waseemthanks11:21
topyliwaseem: you need source, mac binaries won't work11:21
waseemairox: there are a bunch of files, but no TI connect software11:22
waseemdo you know where i can get that11:22
erici think a lot of person install debian just to say " i use debian " not really to use it . so the question is what are they doing on debian. do they run programs ? :))11:23
airoxwaseem: http://tilp.info/about.html11:23
membreyaeric: I run ubuntu because I prefer my machine to be stable :) ...and I have no real need for windows because I don't play most of the games11:23
ericthey just wach the screen and say " yes it's debian"11:23
airoxeric: I guess they run servers then ?11:23
airox:)11:24
ericmaybe :)11:24
helloyohow do i change the resolution of gdm?11:24
airoxhelloyo: gdm or X ?11:24
topylieric: there are lots of reasons to run debian. for example, it's the best distribution. :) ubuntu is just a nicer way to run up-to-date debian without the worries of unstable11:24
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ericmembreya : there is a lot of games on linux platform too11:24
membreyahelloyo: System > Preferences > Screen resolution11:24
helloyomembreya, yeah, its fine in gnome, but gdm is set too high11:24
membreyaeric: I like the little mindless games that linux has :)11:25
membreyaedit your xorg.conf then ?11:25
thoreauputicmembreya: that makes sense...11:25
erici love Enemy territory i play it every nite11:25
membreyashush thoreauputic :)11:25
ericthe best free online game i think11:25
thoreauputicmembreya: ;-)11:25
topylieric: ET is free?11:26
airoxtopyli: yep11:26
erici don't know wich licence they use11:27
topylihmm. i had no idea :)11:27
ericbut you can download and play for free11:27
ericbut it's not the right channel to talk about enemy territory :)11:27
ericjust shut up11:27
topyliheh11:28
waseemairox: http://tilp.info/downloads.html there are two files i can download from11:28
waseemwhcih one should i choose?11:28
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airoxwaseem: I guess both.11:28
waseemhow do i open the .tar.gz files?11:28
azriel0184waseem, either with file-roller or tar -xzf11:29
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waseemwaseem@waseem:~/Desktop$ ./configure tilp-6.7711:32
waseembash: ./configure: No such file or directory11:32
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waseemi dont understand, it should be finding tilp-6.7711:33
thoreauputicwaseem: you need to cd to the directory created by the untarring11:33
goldfish_waseem: Did it download to the Desktop directory?11:33
goldfish_yes11:33
waseemyes11:33
goldfish_what he said11:33
waseemits in the Desktop11:33
waseemwaseem@waseem:~/Desktop$ ls11:33
waseem2002_mbs.pdf  javambs82802_17390.zip  tilp-6.7711:33
waseemJavaMBS       tilp-1.tar.gz           tilp.tar.gz11:33
waseemwaseem@waseem:~/Desktop$11:33
goldfish_yah, ignore that11:33
goldfish_cd tilp-6.7711:33
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waseemoh ok thanks goldfish11:34
ceucan I use firefox 1.0.1 from hoary on warty?11:34
goldfish_waseem: thoreauputic's suggestion :)11:34
waseemhaha i mean, thanks toreauputic11:34
ceuwarty-backports doesn't include the latest firefox version :-(11:34
thoreauputicwaseem: team effort ;)11:34
waseemright.11:35
jdubceu: you're better off upgrading to hoary11:35
jdubceu: but if you've used backports on warty, then you're better off installing from scratch11:35
ericceu : download the firefox web site version11:35
airoxYeah, just download the binary from mozilla.or11:35
airoxg11:35
waseem2. Type `make' to compile the package.11:35
waseemwaseem@waseem:~/Desktop/tilp-6.77$ make11:35
waseemmake: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.11:35
waseemwhat should i target?11:36
thoreauputicceu: unless you are in the habit of clicking on "update your paypal details!" links, you probably don't need the latest security update for firefox11:36
airoxheheh thoreauputic11:36
airoxsecunia test ? :)11:36
ceuthoreauputic: I don't like non having the latest security fix :-)11:37
waseemanyone know what i should type in?11:37
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thoreauputicwaseem: did ./configure run?11:37
waseemya its done11:37
ceuis it difficult to obtain a deb package from firefox sources?11:37
ceuor it's already debianized?11:38
ericyou dot not have to debianized it11:38
thoreauputicwaseem: did you read the README or INSTALL files in the package? Might be a different installation command...11:38
ericjust download the binary it will run perfectly11:38
waseem  2. Type `make' to compile the package.11:38
waseemthats what it says11:38
waseemand i did that11:38
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thoreauputicodd.. it can't find a makefile11:39
ericwe're talking about firefox not internet explorer11:39
waseemah so i guess it wont install then?11:39
waseemwait11:39
waseemthere is a Makefile.am11:39
waseemand a Makefile.in11:39
thoreauputicwaseem: have you installed build-essential?11:40
waseemnot that i know of11:40
waseemhow do i do that11:40
thoreauputicwaseem: sudo apt-get install build-essential11:40
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thoreauputicwaseem: do it11:40
thoreauputicwaseem: gives you a sane build environment11:41
waseemits already been installed11:41
thoreauputichmm11:41
waseemwait11:42
waseemdo i need to be root?11:42
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waseemto type make?11:42
thoreauputicno11:42
waseemType "make", "make install" (requires the root privileges).11:42
waseemthats in the readme11:42
waseemnot in the install file though11:42
thoreauputicfor make install you need root privileges, but not to compile (make)11:42
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waseemoh ok11:42
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waseemso any ideas on what i cand o?11:43
waseemdo*11:43
thoreauputicwaseem: ./configure gave no errors?11:43
waseemlet me read over it11:43
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thoreauputicthere should be a config.log or something there11:43
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waseemNo package 'ticables' found11:44
waseemthat is the only thing that i found that seemed weird11:44
waseembut i dont think that should have an affect on the installation11:44
thoreauputicwaseem: and it didn't end with "exiting with error 2 " or something similar?11:44
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waseemthoreaputic: no11:45
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thoreauputicwaseem: well, I don't know why it hasn't found a usable makefile... odd indeed11:46
waseemwell, maybe this might be the problem11:46
waseemthere were two files i needed to download11:46
waseemi downloaded them both11:46
waseembut i didnt untar the other one11:46
waseemdo i need to do that?11:47
thoreauputicwaseem: possibly you are doing it in the wrong order, if this one depends on the other (guessing)11:47
waseemhmm well i tried to untar the other one11:48
waseemno errors11:48
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waseembut there is no new folder on the Desktop11:48
thoreauputicwaseem: from what you said, you don't yet have an actual Makefile11:48
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waseemit has a Makefile.am and a Makefile.in11:49
thoreauputicwaseem: is there a mess of files instead?11:49
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waseemno11:49
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thoreauputicwaseem: yes but not the actual makefile11:49
waseemoh11:49
thoreauputicwaseem: are ther any instructions on the website?11:49
waseemhttp://tilp.info/downloads.html11:50
waseemnot any that i found11:50
thoreauputicwaseem: otherwise it's time to hone your g00gle Sk1LLz11:50
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waseemagh ok11:51
waseemso should i search for a makefile?11:51
thoreauputicno11:51
waseemor the program?11:51
thoreauputicsearch for other people who have tried the procedure11:51
thoreauputice.g. in google groups11:51
lunitikwaseem: any reason you aren't getting it via synaptic? 'sudo apt-get install tilp'  :/11:51
lunitikwaseem: it says right on the site that its in the archive!11:52
waseemlet me try that11:52
thoreauputiclunitik: argggh - I didn't know it was available! Thanks11:52
waseemomfg11:52
waseemlunitik: thanks, that saved me a lot of time11:52
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lunitikwaseem: funny how reading usually does do that...11:53
waseemhaha dont make fun of me11:53
waseemim new to this11:53
waseemwindows made everything too easy11:53
airox;)11:53
lunitikthoreauputic: from the download site he just pasted:  'For Debian packages, they are on the CDs/Internet.'11:53
lunitikie, in apt....11:54
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thoreauputiclunitik: oh - so even more obvious then...11:54
lunitikthoreauputic: yeah...11:54
lunitikwaseem: windows makes nothing easier... except maybe getting spyware and the such... you're just more used to it... trust me, when you get used to Debian, you will think Windows is braindead...11:55
Blackice1963lol11:55
goldfish_hehe11:55
goldfish_yes, windows will become your hate in life11:56
goldfish_And you will hate Bill Gates.11:56
Blackice1963thats right lol11:56
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Blackice1963deb is the best11:56
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danielssigh11:58
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ericjesus_ is now known as jesus_detached : muhahah : are you really jesus muhahaha12:01
ericdo you met him ?12:01
ericmuhahah12:01
topylijesus rules12:01
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snowblinkwebsite design winners are up. I like Brad's. I wonder how long before they implement.12:02
topylii assume the hoary installer won't autodetect serial devices like irda dongles?12:03
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FeliXDZHello. I dist-upgraded to hoary and it appears I have lost my sound. Is this unusual?12:06
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waseemok im trying to transfer a program onto my calculator12:07
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Moianagreetings!12:07
waseembut it doesnt recognize the .zip file12:07
Moianais there a way to restore the functionality of pressing CTRL+ALT+[F1-F12]  to switch to the console virtual terminals?? I am using Ubuntu Hoary with x.org, but I cant figure how to switch to console now12:08
HrdwrBoBMoiana: it's the sam12:08
HrdwrBoBe12:08
waseemok how do i make the computer recognize my ti89 so that tilp will work12:08
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MoianaHrdwrBoB : I press CTRL+ALT+F1, it doesnt send me back to the console. I know of at least one other person who has had the same problems (he was running Ubuntu packages on top of a Debian system)12:09
waseemhow do i unzip a file12:10
HrdwrBoBhrm ok12:10
goldfish_waseem: unzip12:10
HrdwrBoBhave you looked at bug reports?12:10
HrdwrBoBthere might be a big files12:10
HrdwrBoBbug filed12:10
HrdwrBoBif not, file one :)12:10
Moianawaseem: check if you have the "unzip" program by trying to execute it. If you don't, apt-get install unzip :)12:10
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waseemgoldfish_: ya i just tried that12:10
goldfish_work?12:10
waseemexit12:10
biatchei wanna give ubuntu a try... is it better to begin with hoary or warty?12:11
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netpuppydoes the default ubuntu amd64 kernel contain any patches?12:11
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thoreauputicbiatche: warty12:11
netpuppyor is it a plain vanilla?12:11
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waseemhmm my computer does not seem to be recognizing my calculator12:11
lunitiknetpuppy: yes, it contains a few patches etc.12:12
waseemdo i need to mount it?12:12
topylinetpuppy: the ubuntu kernels have many patches12:12
MoianaHrdwrBoB : looking for bugtrack on homepage to do that :)12:12
thoreauputicbiatche: hoary is still in development12:12
goldfish_biatche: hoary isnt stable until april, so maybe warty , but alot of ppl are running hoary with no problems already12:12
netpuppytopyli, where can I find them?12:12
topylinetpuppy: dunno, debian has a package called debian-patches or something, but i don't think ubuntu has one12:12
waseem...12:12
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waseemanyone please help12:12
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lunitikwaseem: most people aren't familier with tilp, I haven't even considered plugin a T1 calc to my computer... don't see the point really   :/12:13
thoreauputicwaseem: look at the output of dmesg after you plug it in and see what it's recognised as12:13
biatchewarty looks like it has lots of out of date stuff... hrm... but hrm, how does ubuntu maintain their package tree? they throw in latest stuff? well... for instance, gcc = 3.3.4 in warty... there gcc 3.4.3 for warty?12:13
soulhackthe basic installation guide, from WinXP to Ubuntu, where can I find this? Is it this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2005-02-28.667120487712:14
topylibiatche: no, warty has what warty has12:14
waseemthanks thoreauputik12:14
lunitiknetpuppy: you should be able to find info in the docs in /usr/share/doc/kernel-image-`uname -r`/12:14
thoreauputicbiatche: if you want the latest, hoary12:14
biatcheis hoary buggy?12:14
topyliprobaly :)12:14
lunitikbiatche: not really.12:15
goldfish_soulhack: the installaton cd is fairly straight forward12:15
biatcheok hmm..12:15
topylibiatche: the "preview" of warty should be out this wednesday, so i guess it's in pretty good shape by then12:15
biatcheu mean hoary12:15
topylibiatche: i mean hoary of course12:15
goldfish_heh12:15
soulhacki am completely new to linux, so I did have some troubles with getting stuff right to be honest.12:15
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lunitikbiatche: imo, its no more unstable than warty right now... most packages contained are getting stable upstream etc.12:15
soulhackI didnt find any guide on the cd12:15
topylisoulhack: all the docs are at the website12:16
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soulhackyea, i am looking atm12:16
johnnybezakhave any of you guys tried out beagle on ubuntu?12:16
goldfish_soulhack: oh right, sorry12:17
lunitiksoulhack: 'throw in the cd, restart, follow instruction, make custom partitioning to account for windows'...12:17
topyliwindows who?12:17
lunitikjohnnybezak: I have successfully avoided Mono so far...12:17
lunitiktopyli: shutup12:17
soulhackokay, when i dl ubuntu- i rar the stuff into a folder and burn it on disk, right? Then i have the install-CD?12:17
lunitik:P12:17
johnnybezaklunitik: haha12:17
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thoreauputicsoulhack: no, you burn the iso as is12:18
goldfish_soulhack: you burn the iso12:18
topylioh, I can't hold it! i've never been quiet for such a long time!12:18
lunitiktopyli: haha... I have that problem too  :P12:18
thoreauputicsoulhack: "burn as image" or similar12:19
soulhackah, my winRAR is set to open ISO-Files when i click them- never realized it was an ISO-file, that helps a lot12:19
topylihmm. winrar is developing an intelligence that scares me :)12:20
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error_29thoreauputic - re burning images -- do you happen to know if choosing "disc-at-once" vs "track-at-once" makes a difference?12:20
soulhackwell, windows have this little thing that removes filendings unless enabled ;)12:20
lunitikerror_29: not when there is only one file...12:20
error_29reason I ask is, while ubuntu installs fine from my discs, other debian distros have not, on my laptop12:20
topylierror_29: might be the smart installer12:21
thoreauputicsoulhack: windows has many "little things" of that helpful kind </sarcasm>12:21
soulhackhaha12:21
soulhackhow big partition do i need for Ubuntu?12:22
lunitiksoulhack: 1.7 gigs12:22
StoffBox-SteveHi :D12:22
lunitikStoffBox-Steve: hi12:22
error_29topyli, smart installer?12:22
soulhackokay, 7gb (my old windows partition) is overkill?12:22
lunitiksoulhack: recommend at least 3 though12:22
thoreauputicsoulhack: give yourself a few gigs extra...12:22
lunitiksoulhack: else there is no room for play, thats no good  :P12:22
topylisoulhack: my HUGE installation is 4.6G but the default install should fit in 2 or so12:22
lunitiksoulhack: sorta... would be ok though12:22
thoreauputicsoulhack: 7gig is OK12:23
soulhacki want play, so i'll go with my old 7gig12:23
error_297 gigs!12:23
soulhacki've got plenty!12:23
FeliXDZSince dist-upgrading to hoary I have been listening to the sound of silence...12:23
thoreauputicsoulhack: 10 or 15 would be nicer12:23
topylierror_29: perhaps the good folks at ubuntu have injected extra smartness to debian-installer12:23
lunitiktopyli: its exactly 1.7 gigs.... trust me... its one of the first things I check out with new distro's... ;P12:23
topyliok :)12:23
lunitiktopyli: not really... they hide like half the options, but thats about it...12:23
lunitikFeliXDZ: try restarting  :/12:24
soulhacki should remove windows before installing Ubuntu, right?12:24
topyliwell then it might indeed be the cd's12:24
FeliXDZNot the Simon and Garfunkel version but rather no noise comes out my speakers. They worked well in Warty.12:24
error_29(me, I used my extra drive space to set up extra partitions so I could "reinstall" ubuntu without removing what I've got.  5 gigs each seems ok for now)12:24
lunitiksoulhack: nah... no need12:24
waseemOk, in the FAQ for tilp, it shows me what to do for the following question i have12:24
topylisoulhack: if you don't need windows, the installer will remove it12:24
waseemQ: Ok, tilp works now, but I get this error when I try to access the calc :12:24
FeliXDZlunitik, Do you mean rebooting or something else?12:24
soulhackah, awesome.12:24
waseemMsg: Timeout occured while reading to the device.12:24
waseemCause: Check that your link cable is plugged and/or the calculator is ready.12:24
waseemSystem: Permission denied (errno = 13)12:24
waseemA: Check nodes permissions (/dev/ttySx).12:24
thoreauputicsoulhack: you won't get any argument about removing windows here...12:25
waseemthere is not directory for that though12:25
lunitikFeliXDZ: yes... thats what I mean... it seems to fix most sound issues... as annoying as it may be  :/12:25
waseemany ideas?12:25
soulhacki want windows as far gone as possible12:25
soulhackit's like pop-music12:25
soulhackonce you get fed up12:25
soulhackyou never wanna hear it again12:25
waseem...can any of you guys help with my problem?12:26
StoffBox-Steve;) soulhack12:26
FeliXDZI have been checking the forums.It seems to be a common problem. lunitik I have already rebooted more than once.12:26
error_29I see, topyli... but weirdly, this only happens with my laptop.  Maybe a flaw with my cd-rom; other debian stuff insists the drive isn't mounted, even though it's been installing from that drive all along12:26
topylisoulhack: well, just install ubuntu and tell it to use all your space12:26
lunitiksoulhack: the installer, by default I think, will get rid of it...12:26
soulhackneato12:26
topylierror_29: your cd uses a module that most installers don't load, or the install kernels don't have12:27
waseemblah ill figure out the problem tomorrow night12:27
lunitikFeliXDZ: shitty... your in audio group? ('groups' to check) ... module is loaded? ('lsmod | grep snd' to check)12:27
waseemgood night people12:27
topylimaube12:27
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lunitikyou're*12:27
thoreauputicwaseem: if all else fails, see if there's a man page ;)12:27
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topylithoreauputic: man pages are the very last resort? ;)12:28
thoreauputictopyli: there was an ironic element in my suggestion...  ;-)12:28
FeliXDZI'll check those. thanks for the tips lunitik .12:28
topyliyah12:28
error_29ah hah-- thanks topyli.  So basically, if I hadn't sheerly by accident, tried ubuntu first on this laptop, I wouldn't have gotten linux on here at all (no floppy)12:28
topylierror_29: you should find out what the module is, so you can find and load it, if you choose to install another distro one day12:29
topylihowever that is done, i don't know :)12:30
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FeliXDZI am still in the audio group (dist-upgrade shouldn't affect that anyway)...12:30
lunitiktopyli: google, and modprobe12:30
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lunitikFeliXDZ: ok... module listed in lsmod | grep snd?12:30
theinehi, do ~/.bashrc or ~/.bash_profile get sourced when gnome starts up?12:30
FeliXDZI have lots of snd modules. Am I looking for a particular one?12:30
theinethey don't, do they?12:30
error_29thanks topyli; I really want to be able to do a minimum install of debian from a disc, on the extra partitions I made just for that purpose, so I can try to build and learn linux gradually12:31
lunitikFeliXDZ: snd_somethingthatsoundsfamilier12:31
lunitikFeliXDZ: whats your sound card?12:31
FeliXDZ Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 03)12:31
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thoreauputictheine: /etc/bash.bashrc  I think12:32
thoreauputictheine: system wide12:32
topylilunitik: google will probably tell how to load a module in different installers like anaconda and debian-installer, yes12:32
FeliXDZmy lsmod: snd                    50276  8 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pc12:33
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topylilunitik: you do have a more difficult problem if the install kernel doesn't have the module though :)12:33
lunitikFeliXDZ: probably 'snd_intel8x0' or simular then...12:33
theinethoreauputic: ok, but i would really need to set user specific environment variables12:33
FeliXDZIts there. snd                    50276  8 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pc12:33
lunitikFeliXDZ: ok cool... cept, but, then there is no logical reason for it not to work  :/12:34
FeliXDZAs I say worked in Warty.  Myserious. It seems to be happening to a few people judging by the forums.12:34
thoreauputictheine: .bashrc is for non-login shells, IIRC12:34
FeliXDZMysterious I mean.12:34
lunitiktopyli: search google.com/linux for model and 'module'... then just modprobe what you find out it is  :/12:35
error_29topyli, are you by any chance directing comments at lunatik that you intended to ref my cd problems?12:35
lunitikFeliXDZ: here, restarting fixed it... not sure why that isn't working there.12:35
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theinethoreauputic: yes, but if i set an environment variable in ~/.bashrc, for example firefox doesn't know of it when launched from the gnome menu, does it?12:36
lunitikerror_29: no... those were for me12:36
hyphenim back and im getting closer to getting it to work!#)($*#$!@#$12:36
error_29ah, ok, ...12:36
thoreauputictheine: I guess not12:36
topylierror_29: i'm trying to talk to two people at the same time, with varying success :)12:36
lunitiktheine: .bashrc only sets bash environment... .xinitrc12:36
error_29I figured!12:36
FeliXDZI'll try a restart again. But I can't see it working.12:37
theinelunitik: .xinitrc... thanks12:37
FeliXDZBack in a minute.12:37
lunitikFeliXDZ: fingers crossed though  ;)12:37
lunitiktheine: that and .xsession ... both are read during X startup..12:37
FeliXDZI will stand on one foot and make some magical incantations12:37
lunitikor at least... they're supposed to be...12:37
topylii thought startx reads xinitrc and xdm reads xsession?12:38
topylimight be mistaken12:38
thoreauputictopyli: in debian I think startx will read .xsession12:38
soulhackinstalling ubuntu, that is done through DOS, right?12:38
soulhackbooting from disc12:38
error_29alright, so my hat's off to ubuntu's smart installer.  Just wish it were smart enough to know not to keep looking for non-existant floppy drives!12:38
topylithoreauputic: ah. smart12:38
theinelunitik: well, it's worth a try, although I know that ~/.Xmodmap is not sourced at gnome startup although it's supposed to be as well I guess...12:38
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thoreauputicgdm only uses .xsession for the "system session" AFAIK12:39
topylisoulhack: hell no :)12:39
soulhackoh12:39
lunitiktopyli: X is started via /etc/X11/Xsession.d ... which calls these files... both gdm and startx do this/12:39
looksausany powerpc users here?12:39
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topyliok12:39
soulhackthrough windows?12:39
looksausI have a problem running tomboy on my ibook..12:39
johnnybezaklooksaus: yep12:39
soulhackor is there something i need to dl to install?12:40
topylisoulhack: you boot the cd, and the installer comes up. it's linux-based12:40
lunitiklooksaus: compiled yourself... or via archive?12:40
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looksausuniverse12:40
looksaus(or is it multiverse?)12:40
soulhacktopyli, that doesnt help me since i never used linux before :)12:40
lunitiklooksaus: right first time  ;)12:40
soulhackbut i figure it's quite automatic12:40
thoreauputicsoulhack: set bios to boot from CD - the istall program runs from the CD12:40
topylisoulhack: just get the cd and boot. you may want to read (or even print) some documentation first12:40
thoreauputic*install12:41
looksausjohnnybezak, are you using tomboy?12:41
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lunitiksoulhack: you're over thinking this... just throw the CD in, and hit enter a few times.12:41
johnnybezaklooksaus: nope sorry12:41
soulhackhaha, okay.12:41
lunitiksoulhack: seriously, if you don't want Windows... thats a pretty safe way to install Ubuntu/12:41
looksausdo you feel like trying it out?12:41
looksausit might be nice to have a possible bug confirmed by another ppc user...12:42
topylilooksaus: tomboy is crashing on me :(12:42
looksaustopyli, on x86 or ppc?12:42
topylii386 though12:42
lunitiksoulhack: yet its considered one of the hardest installs around... I had my aunts dog install it once  :P12:42
soulhackhaha, really? well, I am not worried about the installation when it's going12:42
thoreauputicsoulhack: in fact the mythology says even installing debian could be done by a chicken ;) peck on the enter key... (not *quite* true, but close12:42
topylisoulhack: you just need to know where you are and which languages you prefer :)12:43