[12:00] <JDahl> knucks, OTOH, you probably wanted to switch to hoary soon anyway
[12:00] <Funraiser> did u check the link knucks?
[12:00] <knucks> yeh confusin for me
[12:00] <knucks> why sint my printer showing up tho
[12:01] <knucks> I need that to work
[12:03] <knucks> and why do i get a feeling that im on kde now not on gnome?
[12:03] <knucks> Why is there a KDE control panel under APPS
[12:03] <romUB> lol
[12:03] <Riddell> knucks: APPS?
[12:03] <knucks> applications
[12:03] <Funraiser> applicatons
[12:04] <Xappe> knucks, have you installed k3b?
[12:04] <knucks> Xappe: yeh
[12:04] <Xappe> there you have it :)
[12:05] <Xappe> then you've almost installed KDE too
[12:05] <Funraiser> an editor is to make a shell script?
[12:05] <knucks> but i like gnome
[12:05] <knucks> noo
[12:05] <Riddell> knucks: having KControl as ShowOnlyIn=KDE is on my todo list
[12:05] <Xappe> knucks, you're still on gnome
[12:05] <knucks> well that control centre is bothering me
[12:06] <Xappe> don't click on it then
[12:06] <Xappe> :)
[12:06] <romUB> is there a way to overwrite all the system files with the latest hoary ones (like reinstalling but not losing any data files)
[12:06] <gma> anybody here running with LVM?
[12:06] <cwillu> that's basically what apt-get does, rom
[12:06] <romUB> hmm
[12:07] <romUB> ok
[12:07] <Funraiser> what can I use on gnome to make a shell script? what's the editor?
[12:07] <cwillu> anybody know how to get multiple monitors working?
[12:07] <gma> romUB, change your sources.list to point to hoary and do "apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade"
[12:07] <cwillu> gedit
[12:07] <cwillu> or whatever else tickles your fancy
[12:07] <romUB> gma, ok thanks
[12:07] <fiskgunnar> When using apt-get or synaptic, does it matter if u got other stuff running, like x-chat and realplayer?
[12:08] <djp> Funraiser: use gedit
[12:08] <knucks> wow this isnt stable at all!
[12:08] <Funraiser> oh
[12:08] <gma> fiskgunnar, nope, not at all
[12:08] <spacey> fiskgunnar, notfor me
[12:08] <fiskgunnar> oki,thanks
[12:08] <knucks> WTF
[12:08] <Xappe> knucks, and you've rebooted after upgrade?
[12:08] <knucks> this sucks
[12:08] <cwillu> knucks...
[12:08] <knucks> (no)
[12:08] <gma> running apps are loaded into RAM and you can freely change the libs on disk without causing them a problem
[12:08] <knucks> haha
[12:08] <stazich> hey
[12:08] <fiskgunnar> off to install firestarter then :)
[12:09] <cwillu> I've found that acpi causes problems, but I dunno if that's your issue
[12:09] <djp> knucks: i switched back from hoary to warty due to certain issues
[12:09] <cwillu> my laptop was crashing left and right until I got a kernel running without it
[12:09] <stazich> can anyone tell me how to mount a network folder i am sharing on my WinXP onto ubuntu??
[12:10] <Navid> Hi Folks. I am having a ton of trouble installing CVS even after I have su'ed to root.
[12:10] <djp> emulators under ubuntu anyone?
[12:10] <gino4466> any way i can speed up gnome? because ever since i installed hoary it's been sluggish. back in warty it was quick and snappy, so there must be something wrong here, because hoary just can't suck that much
[12:10] <Navid> Can anyone help me out? I am trying to install everything I need to be able to compile through gcc, et al.
[12:10] <JDahl> navid, sudo apt-get install cvs
[12:10] <knucks> whoa..
[12:10] <Funraiser> knucks i got it for mplayer
[12:10] <JDahl> navid, sudo apt-get install build-essential
[12:10] <knucks> its all weird now
[12:11] <Navid> JDahl: That's all!? I'm going to have to try this.
[12:11] <Funraiser> knucks i got it for mplayer
[12:11] <knucks> eh?
[12:11] <Funraiser> go back to http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=9850&highlight=mplayer
[12:11] <Funraiser> then open a terminal and type gedit
[12:11] <johane> djp: what do you want to emulate?
[12:11] <djp> hoary is bleeding edge so to speak a bit like fc3. i loved fc3 but am loving ubuntu just as much. just sticking with warty for now as that is the most stable release at present and that is what i want!
[12:12] <djp> johane: megadrive/genesis
[12:12] <Funraiser> a window will open
[12:12] <Navid> JDahl: It seems to going. I love you.
[12:13] <djp> Funraiser: that was the best way i found to install mplayer.
[12:13] <Funraiser> copy past what's the code in that new window that open
[12:13] <knucks> djp u on warty or hoary?
[12:13] <stazich> can anyone tell me how to mount a network folder i am sharing on my WinXP onto ubuntu??
[12:13] <Navid> Where can I get a full list of apt-get available packages?!
[12:13] <djp> knucks: warty
[12:13] <JDahl> Navid, yes - I am a peach
[12:13] <romUB> stazich, samaba (sudo apt-get install samba)
[12:13] <zenrox> stazich,  read www.ubuntuguide.org
[12:14] <Navid> And look at that, sudo apt-get install gcc is running like a charm
[12:14] <knucks> Funraiser: i copied..now what?
[12:14] <Funraiser> i mean copy/paste the code on that web site in the new window that open when u type "gedit" in the console
[12:14] <djp> knucks: the mplayer link will work for you under hoary as well though
[12:14] <knucks> ok
[12:14] <Funraiser> now save it as mplayer.sh
[12:14] <knucks> then what
[12:14] <Funraiser> and now in the terminal type sudo sh mplayer.sh
[12:15] <djp> johane: any advice?
[12:15] <cwillu> how do I configure ssh to let me login remotely?
[12:15] <knucks> ooo
[12:15] <knucks> ok
[12:15] <knucks> doing it now
[12:15] <Funraiser> cool
[12:15] <GoneBoB> cwillu: sudo apt-get install ssh
[12:15] <Funraiser> thanks djp
[12:15] <cwillu> I've got that far
[12:15] <cwillu> I think
[12:15] <GodKiller> ok can or is anyone willing to help me with some sound issues??
[12:15] <GoneBoB> cwillu: that will automatically start ssh etc
[12:16] <zenrox> cwillu,  read www.ubuntuguide.org
[12:16] <cwillu> openssh-client / server's been installed
[12:16] <knucks> Checking for cc version ... not found
[12:16] <knucks> Checking for gcc version ... not found
[12:16] <knucks> Checking for gcc-3.3 version ... not found
[12:16] <knucks> Checking for gcc-3.2 version ... not found
[12:16] <knucks> Checking for gcc-3.1 version ... not found
[12:16] <knucks> Checking for gcc3 version ... not found
[12:16] <knucks> Checking for gcc-3.0 version ... not found
[12:16] <knucks> Checking for cc version ... not found
[12:16] <knucks> i got those errors tho
[12:16] <djp> funraiser: no probs
[12:16] <knucks> but it finished
[12:16] <JDahl> knucks, sudo apt-get install build-essential
[12:16] <Funraiser> unknown territory...
[12:16] <Navid> I have a feeling sudo apt-get upgrade gaim didn't do what I expected it to...
[12:16] <xun5> knucks, use pastebin
[12:16] <cwillu> lol
[12:16] <knucks> xun5 ok..
[12:17] <cwillu> navid... I think you just wanted install gaim
[12:17] <Funraiser> this is like a recipe...everybody is bringing it's touch
[12:17] <cwillu> or maybe not
[12:17] <GodKiller> my soundcard is detected and installed at boot up but i get absolutely no sound out of the system at all
[12:17] <Navid> well, Ubuntu comes with Gaim 1.0.0 but 1.1.4 is out now.. I wanted to upgrade not install.
[12:17] <knucks> godkiller: what card?
[12:17] <GodKiller> ess maestro 3
[12:17] <Kraeloc> I have warty set up to act as a router for a mac, connected via second PCI NIC, eth2. But the eth2 connection won't stay active in the network settings.
[12:18] <GodKiller> the mixer is good mp3 play on xmms but not a peep not even at login or system sounds .....nothing
[12:18] <seb128> Navid: "upgrade" is to upgrade the distribution and doesn't take an argument
[12:18] <Kraeloc> Help...?
[12:18] <seb128> Navid: "sudo apt-get install gaim" is to upgrade gaim
[12:18] <Funraiser> If you see the program start up - SUCCESS.
[12:18] <Funraiser> Insert a DVD. Push the DVD play button (not the |> button).
[12:18] <Funraiser> The movie should start to play. Check the sound quality. Close out the MPlayer program. The Root Terminal window will close.
[12:18] <Navid> It said "Already have latest version ..
[12:18] <gino4466> the newest gaim in the official repositories is 1.0
[12:18] <gino4466> i think
[12:18] <Navid> but gaim --version shows Gaim 1.0.0
[12:18] <seb128> Navid: warty has 1.0.0
[12:18] <gino4466> they dont have the new version packaged for apt-get
[12:18] <knucks> i cant seem to add it to the menu tho
[12:19] <seb128> Navid: warty is 2004-10
[12:19] <Navid> I got it.
[12:19] <JDahl> navid, warty only gives you security updates
[12:19] <Navid> I have to wait for the changes to be pushed over?
[12:19] <Funraiser> knucks look back to the web site it's explained
[12:19] <knucks> yeh i cant seem to get that workin
[12:19] <JDahl> Navid, yes.
[12:19] <Kraeloc> I have warty set up to act as a router for a mac, connected via second PCI NIC, eth2. But the eth2 connection won't stay active in the network settings.
[12:19] <seb128> Navid: there is some backports for warty, or you can use hoary, but hoary is not stable yet
[12:19] <Kraeloc> I DEMAND THAT SOMEBODY HELP ME.
[12:20] <gino4466> hahahaha
[12:20] <Funraiser> lol
[12:20] <Navid> At my level of experience, I'm going to stick with stable.
[12:20] <Funraiser> that's desperate
[12:20] <Kraeloc> ... please ...?
[12:20] <Chipzz> Kraeloc: lol, you're funny :)
[12:20] <GodKiller> knucks> did you have some input or were you just wondering what card ?
[12:20] <knucks> well depends i guess
[12:20] <knucks> might be able to help if i know what card
[12:21] <GodKiller> ess allegro maestro 3
[12:21] <GodKiller> version 1988
[12:21] <Funraiser> so mplayer works?
[12:21] <GodKiller> yup
[12:21] <Kraeloc> I have warty set up to act as a router for a mac, connected via second PCI NIC, eth2. But the eth2 connection won't stay active in the network settings.
[12:21] <GodKiller> but the sound doesnt come out
[12:21] <zenrox> Funraiser,  as long as you compile it your self
[12:21] <Kraeloc> Do I have to sacrifice a goat or seomthing?
[12:21] <knucks> Funraiser: not yet..
[12:21] <JDahl> Kraeloc, how did you set it up? manually via /etc/network/interfaces?
[12:21] <Funraiser> hello SiRrus
[12:21] <SiRrUs> Yo :)
[12:21] <Kraeloc> I followed a howto... lemme get the link
[12:22] <Kraeloc> http://ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Masquerading-Simple-HOWTO.html
[12:22] <JDahl> (of course you could just cough up $30 for a router)
[12:22] <Kraeloc> I was also helped by a deosmn in ##mac
[12:22] <Kraeloc> I.
[12:22] <Kraeloc> I'm dirt broke.
[12:23] <GodKiller> heh
[12:23] <GodKiller> i just want some sound
[12:23] <Kraeloc> I have a router, but I only get one port on it bewteen the two computers.
[12:23] <knucks> Funraiser: whats the location it installed it in?
[12:23] <Kraeloc> Holy shit.
[12:23] <Funraiser> zenrox u mean that shell script does the compiling?
[12:23] <GodKiller> thats a nice little split
[12:23] <gino4466> so back to the reason i came here
[12:23] <Funraiser> knucks just do Applications -> Multimedia -> (go to the right pane, right click) -> Entire Menu -> Add New Item To This Menu ->
[12:23] <Funraiser> Name: MPlayer
[12:23] <Funraiser> Generic Name: Media Player
[12:23] <Funraiser> Comment: The Media Player
[12:23] <Funraiser> Command: /usr/local/bin/gmplayer
[12:23] <knucks> Funraiser: whers the location where mplayer is?
[12:23] <SiRrUs> must have been something I said
[12:23] <Funraiser> Hit the "No Icon" button
[12:23] <gino4466> my menus and stuff in gnome are all sluggish
[12:23] <Kraeloc> Did anyone else just notice some 50 people quit simaltaneously?
[12:23] <Funraiser> Find the "media-player-48.png" picture, select it, hit the "OK" button.
[12:23] <Funraiser> Hit the "OK" button
[12:23] <knucks> yeh i tried browsing to there i cant find it
[12:24] <gino4466> and i have no idea why, because they were snappy in warty
[12:24] <gino4466> >_<
[12:24] <Kraeloc> anyone?
[12:24] <mjr> Kraeloc, netsplit (irc sucks)
[12:24] <knucks> my usr/local/bin is empty
[12:24] <Funraiser> is this a strike?
[12:24] <Kraeloc> ok, so anyone got any ideas for me?
[12:25] <hayden> whats the best way to use smbmount?>
[12:26] <hayden> dw
[12:26] <Funraiser> hold on
[12:26] <OmniColossus> does anyone have experience using WPA with ubuntu?
[12:26] <Kraeloc> I have warty set up to act as a router for a mac, connected via second PCI NIC, eth2. But the eth2 connection won't stay active in the network settings.
[12:27] <Kraeloc> I was serious about tha goat, yaknow.
[12:27] <hayden> can anyone help me with this problem? Can't get /etc/mtab~ lock filesmbmnt failed: 1
[12:27] <zenrox> Kraeloc, yep you must or the ubuntu god wont like you
[12:27] <zenrox> lol
[12:27] <knucks> Error: PNG support required for GUI compilation, please install libpng and libpng-dev packages.
[12:27] <Kraeloc> ok.
[12:27] <Funraiser> try to reboot and then applications/run application type mplayer
[12:27] <GodKiller> well goodbye warty
[12:27] <Funraiser> (?)
[12:27] <Kraeloc> My neighbors a few houses down keeps goats, I'll go buy one.
[12:28] <cowbud> knucks: so apt-get install libpng-dev
[12:28] <Karlosis> OmniColossus, I do
[12:28] <knucks> yepp..
[12:28] <zenrox> Kraeloc, lol
[12:28] <Kraeloc> Shall I take pictures as proof?
[12:28] <Kraeloc> Or set up a webcam?
[12:28] <knucks> cowbud: cant find it
[12:28] <OmniColossus> Karlosis oh! finally SOMEONE!
[12:28] <zenrox> Kraeloc,  webcam
[12:28] <GodKiller> gonna try the hoary thing
[12:28] <zenrox> lol
[12:28] <SiRrUs> good luck
[12:28] <knucks> well i got libpng-dev
[12:29] <OmniColossus> Karlosis, powerpc by chnace?
[12:29] <Karlosis> OmniColossus, just try wpasupplicant
[12:29] <Karlosis> This package will do WPA in userspace.... quite easy to setup
[12:29] <GodKiller> is the hoary any different than the warty rls??
[12:29] <OmniColossus> I have a airport (not extreme) wpasup does not seem to support?
[12:29] <knucks> Error: X11 support required for GUI compilation
[12:30] <Karlosis> I believe it's the kernel that needs to support it, OmniColossus
[12:30] <OmniColossus> hmm
[12:30] <Funraiser> reboot
[12:30] <Karlosis> OmniColossus, do you see anything on the iwconfig ?
[12:30] <knucks> <me?
[12:30] <Kraeloc> I have warty set up to act as a router for a mac, connected via second PCI NIC, eth2. But the eth2 connection won't stay active in the network settings.
[12:30] <OmniColossus> when I ran wpasupp it said something about not being able to open prism something
[12:31] <Funraiser> did u do it since the hoary upgrade?
[12:31] <OmniColossus> iwconfig sees the card yes
[12:31] <gino4466> anyone know any reasons why gnome menus and windows would lag when opening and be generally sluggish, when they were snappy and quick in warty?
[12:31] <knucks> Funraiser: I got an error
[12:31] <Karlosis> OmniColossus, it has drivers i believe, make sure the config names the correct one
[12:31] <JDahl> knucks, what are you trying to do? compile mplayer?
[12:31] <knucks> yeah
[12:31] <knucks> it tells me i need x11 support
[12:31] <OmniColossus> I'll give it another shot... I have xsupplicant installed atm
[12:32] <BobaFett> Hey guys...Anyone recommends a MP3 player better than XMMS?
[12:32] <JDahl> knucks, apt-cache search x11-dev
[12:32] <gino4466> what's wrong with xmms?
[12:32] <BobaFett> Nothings wrong with XMMS :P I was just wondering if there was a better player...
[12:33] <BobaFett> ...better playlist support, perhaps even embedded cd ripping and burning...
[12:33] <gino4466> oh well in that case
[12:33] <gino4466> No.
[12:33] <BobaFett> Oh.
[12:33] <gino4466> actually i dunno, don't listen to me
[12:33] <BobaFett> I see.
[12:33] <gino4466> lol
[12:33] <BobaFett> LOL
[12:33] <knucks> JDahl: still same thing
[12:33] <knucks>  X11 support required for GUI compilation
[12:33] <BobaFett> Will do, then xD
[12:33] <gino4466> by the way, your shoes are untied
[12:33] <BobaFett> I know...I walk on the wild side 8)
[12:34] <rriche> anyone know of a util for extracting the contents of a .bin?  something like isobuster?
[12:34] <daniels> why are you trying to compile mplayer?  there are packages
[12:34] <JDahl> knucks, apt-cache search x11-dev gives you a hint of what to install - in this case libx11-dev, xlibs-dev :P
[12:34] <knucks> oo ok
[12:34] <knucks> lol
[12:34] <Navid> Can someone help me decipher what "E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem' means in regards to sudo apt-get install ant
[12:34] <Navid> ?
[12:35] <gino4466> did you interrupt it at all?
[12:35] <HrdwrBoB> Navid: it means you should run dpkg --configure -a
[12:35] <gino4466> not to overstate the obvious ;)
[12:35] <hile> rriche: bchunk
[12:35] <rriche> hile: thx
[12:35] <Navid> ha. No, I didn't interrupt it. I just wanted to learn what it meant.
[12:36] <ells> tritium: I am back
[12:36] <tritium> Hello ells
[12:36] <zenrox> hile, bin2iso will convert bin and cue to an iso that cam be mounter
[12:36] <ells> tritium: so far so good with the upgrade
[12:36] <Navid> Suprisingly, ant is not part of the apt-get repository.
[12:36] <tritium> ells, I'm glad to hear it.
[12:36] <ells> just have to configure my stuff
[12:36] <ells> the dvds wont play yet
[12:36] <ells> will check settings
[12:36] <knucks> JDahl: The GUI requires GTK devel packages (which were not found).
[12:36] <knucks> ARGH
[12:36] <ells> tritium: are you connecting via laptop
[12:37] <Funraiser> those are in synaptic
[12:37] <tritium> ells, yes
[12:37] <ells> are you using a network tool to find avail networks
[12:37] <knucks> funraiser: what are they called
[12:37] <BobaFett> guys...Anyone recommends a MP3 player better than XMMS?
[12:37] <Funraiser> gtk
[12:37] <tritium> ells, yeah, netapplet
[12:37] <ells> works good for ya
[12:37] <JDahl> knucks, so install libgtk2.0-dev, or libgtk1.2-dev
[12:37] <ells> did you apt get it
[12:38] <Funraiser> u will see many , among them the devel
[12:38] <PhantomCircuit> wget -b http://members.lycos.co.uk/PhantomCircuit/test.txt
[12:38] <tritium> ells, yes
[12:38] <PhantomCircuit> would download that file right?
[12:38] <ells> cool
[12:38] <knucks> do u know the name
[12:38] <knucks> ?
[12:38] <Funraiser> libgtk2.0-dev
[12:39] <Funraiser> and libgtk1.2-dev
[12:39] <knucks> thanks
[12:39] <Funraiser> well thanks to JDahl actually
[12:40] <knucks> ugh this is taking forever!
[12:40] <Funraiser> this installation for mplayer is...
[12:40] <Funraiser> that what i was about to say
[12:40] <rriche> thx again hile, exactly what i was looking for.
[12:40] <knucks> are u still isntalling urs?
[12:40] <knucks> or are u done?
[12:40] <neom> grrrrrrr
[12:40] <Funraiser> but u are learning a lot
[12:41] <neom> root@stix:/home/neom # mv kde.png /mnt/stix/
[12:41] <neom> mv: cannot create regular file `/mnt/stix/kde.png': Permission denied
[12:41] <neom> root@stix:/home/neom #
[12:41] <Funraiser> i'm not, realplayer, xine and totem player are fine for me so far
[12:41] <neom> How the fuck can root have permisson denied. :|
[12:41] <knucks> o ok
[12:41] <Funraiser> lol
[12:41] <knucks> lol @ neom
[12:42] <Funraiser> ubuntu is very secure, even root has not all rights
[12:42] <djp> funraiser: how do you play vcd/svcd with totem?
[12:42] <JDahl> oh dear! neom ran something as root... he is in for the treatment of his life!!
[12:42] <tck> djp, try xine-ui
[12:42] <neom> ye ye
[12:43] <knucks> this is takin fuckin forever
[12:43] <knucks> anyone else compile mplayer on their hoary ?
[12:43] <djp> tck: totem does not work with vcd/svcd cd's? looks like xine will have to enter the fray then!
[12:43] <tck> knucks, it doesnt work for me properly even on warty
[12:43] <tck> xine-ui is great
[12:43] <knucks> this better not be a waste of my time
[12:43] <tck> you could try totem-xine
[12:43] <knucks> i got this because for instance, limewire asked for it
[12:43] <Funraiser> the tv shows that i watch are dvdrip/xvid/avi and it works with realplayer...that's all i need
[12:43] <tck> but gstreamer is better
[12:44] <tck> or if u want them to all work just get, vlc
[12:44] <djp> tck: totem-xine installed. just don't know how to playback vcd/svcd cd's...
[12:44] <JDahl> noone is going to lecture him about how dangerous that is? and about how much security matters even on your home machine? Things are achangin' in here
[12:45] <Funraiser> him who JDahl?
[12:45] <JDahl> noem who ran something as root
[12:45] <Funraiser> oh
[12:45] <Funraiser> that's learning experiences
[12:45] <knucks> (i run a lot of things as root)
[12:45] <BobaFett> Guys...Im having problems with my ATAPI CDRW detection...anyone configured an ASUS CDRW? I have no idea how to do it, could use some pointers...
[12:45] <knucks> O_O
[12:46] <Funraiser> lol
[12:46] <knucks> ok how do i add somethin to the meny
[12:46] <knucks> the whole right click thing aint working
[12:46] <djp> knucks: issue with hoary
[12:46] <Funraiser> here we go
[12:47] <djp> knucks: there is a small app that someone has written as a workaround...
[12:47] <hayden> can someone help me, i have an error when i try to mount a smb share, it says /etc/mtab is locked?
[12:47] <knucks> isnt there a way to launch the applications as a window?
[12:47] <stazich> hey guiys, i seem to be having problems running the cdrom playback... ineither of the programs i have can read a cd.. in fact they are reading, and seem to be playing even pull up the CDDB entries off the net but NO SOUND COMES OUT... anyone has any idea what could be wrong?
[12:47] <knucks> so u can just right click like in a normal browser
[12:48] <djp> knucks: just launch the app from the command line
[12:48] <knucks> but i want to add it to the menu
[12:48] <Funraiser> yes u can do that knucks
[12:48] <djp> knucks: you need to install the workaround app
[12:48] <Kraeloc> http://ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Masquerading-Simple-HOWTO.html
[12:48] <hayden> can someone help me, i have an error when i try to mount a smb share, it says /etc/mtab is locked?
[12:49] <Kraeloc> oops
[12:49] <Kraeloc> I have warty set up to act as a router for a mac, connected via second PCI NIC, eth2. But the eth2 connection won't stay active in the network settings.
[12:49] <ells> what is everyone using to burn dvds
[12:49] <knucks> whats the workaround app
[12:49] <Kraeloc> Hheheh
[12:49] <apokryphos> k3b
[12:49] <MMond> Hello . . . nub linux question: in root terminal, how do I delete a folder? del folder?
[12:49] <Kraeloc> I have a 24x cdrom.
[12:49] <apokryphos> MMond: man rm
[12:49] <shock> rm -r folder
[12:49] <ells> apokryphos, movie dvds?
[12:49] <stazich> hey guiys, i seem to be having problems running the cdrom playback... ineither of the programs i have can read a cd.. in fact they are reading, and seem to be playing even pull up the CDDB entries off the net but NO SOUND COMES OUT... anyone has any idea what could be wrong?
[12:49] <apokryphos> ells: oh, nope.
[12:49] <neom> http://home.neom.ca/kde.png
[12:50] <Funraiser> u got the missing libs knucks?
[12:50] <MMond> Thank you
[12:50] <ells> apokryphos, I am trying dvdrip
[12:50] <knucks> the what?
[12:50] <knucks> for what?
[12:50] <ells> will see how good it is
[12:50] <knucks> im done w/ compiling
[12:50] <apokryphos> ells: well, if you had it as an iso or bin etc.. you could.
[12:50] <knucks> i want to add to menu now
[12:50] <Funraiser> gtklib
[12:50] <ells> right
[12:50] <Funraiser> try something first
[12:51] <djp> knucks: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=16699&highlight=launcher+hoary
[12:51] <Funraiser> applications/run applications
[12:51] <Funraiser> type gmplayer
[12:51] <Kraeloc> I have warty set up to act as a router for a mac, connected via second PCI NIC, eth2. But the eth2 connection won't stay active in the network settings.
[12:51] <shock> http://freshmeat.net/projects/privateer/ <--- has anyone gotten this thing to actually run?
[12:52] <Kraeloc> FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, HELP ME.
[12:52] <Kraeloc> I have warty set up to act as a router for a mac, connected via second PCI NIC, eth2. But the eth2 connection won't stay active in the network settings.
[12:52] <shock> i loved privateer! I remember tweaking the dos bootup & configs on my old 386 :D
[12:52] <djp> Kraeloc: i would if i could...
[12:52] <apokryphos> Kraeloc: how many times have you asked here?
[12:52] <HrdwrBoB> Kraeloc: what do you mean stay active
[12:52] <shock> Kraeloc whats up
[12:52] <hayden> Kraeloc, if no one is answering that means they don't know
[12:53] <shock> ok Kraeloc - whats the problem?
[12:53] <Kraeloc> I click the activate button, and it does so for about tw oseconds, then goes inactive.
[12:53] <knucks> djp: how do i use that?
[12:53] <shock> i read what you are saying but it makes no sense to me
[12:53] <djp> knucks: you need to install php-gtk first
[12:54] <shock> you have eth0,1 and 2?
[12:54] <shock> so whats internal and whats extern
[12:54] <johane> djp: uhm, nope :)
[12:54] <Kraeloc> No, for some reason it decided to call them eth1 and eth2
[12:54] <shock> hmkay
[12:54] <Kraeloc> internal is eth2
[12:54] <shock> how new are you to linux?
[12:54] <Kraeloc> and eth1 is external
[12:54] <djp> knucks: if you scroll down the forum thread you will find a walkthrough
[12:54] <johane> i can recommend zsnes though :)
[12:54] <neom> What file do you have to cat to see the ubuntu build and version etc etc?
[12:54] <Funraiser> so much for "it's easier to install an app on linux than on windows.."
[12:55] <Gervystar> hi, I'm having some trouble installing hoary on a g5 imac: the installer can not detect the cdrom and so it can not continue. Any hints about that?
[12:55] <BobaFett> Guys...Im having problems with my ATAPI CDRW detection...anyone configured an ASUS CDRW? I have no idea how to do it, could use some pointers...
[12:55] <apokryphos> neom: cat /proc/version or cat /etc/issue, I guess.
[12:55] <HrdwrBoB> BobaFett: it should just work
[12:55] <JDahl> Funraiser, who said that?
[12:55] <Kraeloc> I'm fairly new to ubuntu, but I have some knowledge of basic unix/linux cammands and such
[12:55] <Kraeloc> i followed a howto:
[12:55] <Kraeloc> http://ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Masquerading-Simple-HOWTO.html
[12:55] <djp> johane: yeah zsnes is great. looks like i will have to compile gens or generator for megadrive goodness!
[12:55] <BobaFett> hrdrwrBoB: it doestn :(
[12:55] <Funraiser> i've read that somewhere
[12:56] <shock> kraeloc - check querry
[12:56] <Kraeloc> Eh?
[12:56] <Funraiser> my asus cdrw detected automatically
[12:56] <BobaFett> It reads just fine, but doesnt write, and Im having trouble with cdrecord -scanbus
[12:56] <shock> argh... ok
[12:57] <Funraiser> what model?
[12:57] <MMond> I'm editting some php files . . . what "editor" is suggested for this?
[12:57] <MMond> !ping
[12:57] <MMond> I'm editting some php files . . . what "editor" is suggested for this?
[12:57] <djp> funraiser: ubuntu is a really good distro for a first release though
[12:57] <Funraiser> it is
[12:57] <Funraiser> ubuntu is terrific
[12:57] <JDahl> MMond, emacs, vim, gedit, ... whatever editor you know
[12:57] <apokryphos> MMond: quanta/kate/kwrite are good
[12:57] <Funraiser> i'm about to ditch windows for good
[12:58] <BobaFett> ASUS CDRW 5232X ...
[12:58] <MMond> I don't know any.. I'm a noob at Linux. However, I have heard "gedit" the mere name a lot . . . would that be good for editting php  files?
[12:58] <djp> funraiser: only linux in this house!
[12:58] <djp> funraiser: although a dual boot with windows does have advantages for some
[12:58] <JDahl> MMond, it's just an editor...
[12:59] <apokryphos> MMond: it seems to have all the necessary highlighting for php, so it should be alright, I guess.
[12:59] <Xappe> i'm booting windows only for gameplaying
[12:59] <Funraiser> bobafett that's the same i have
[12:59] <djp> MMond: quanta plus
[12:59] <Funraiser> are u on warty or hoary?
[12:59] <apokryphos> MMond: Quanta is probably better as you'll have *far* more options with it etc..
[12:59] <MMond> JDahl: vim . . . do tell me one thing. Firstly.. yes, I'm a total newb at Linux, but . . . why is that people prefer to browse through files with terminal rather than GUI ... same to view files . . . as far as I see, it's only a bit more arduous of a task.. not that extensible
[01:00] <MMond> Perhaps I'm just not seeing something . . .
[01:00] <apokryphos> MMond: Not all of us do; sometimes it's just a lot quicker, if you're doing some quick editing.
[01:00] <djp> Xappe: exactly. something i contemplated at first but considering i have 5 consoles surrounding me i decided that gaming was becoming a neglected art on my PC!
[01:00] <JDahl> MMond, the bottle neck is not in the editor... you're the bottleneck
[01:01] <MMond> I take it vim is the most prominent editor for all sorts of things?
[01:01] <MMond> Mmm
[01:01] <apokryphos> No
[01:01] <djp> MMond: vim is extremely versitile
[01:01] <JDahl> MMond, emacs is nice once you remember the commands
[01:01] <Funraiser> i've seen today the list of games playable on linux it's just...amazing...i mean the last stonghold of windows is about to collapse
[01:01] <BobaFett> Funraiser: How did you get it to write cds?
[01:02] <Funraiser> dude...it just..worked!
[01:02] <Xappe> Funraiser, i can't get the hang of cvscedega though
[01:02] <BobaFett> REALLY? Oh bummer...
[01:02] <MMond> Mmmhmm. I'm gonna get editting - thanks for the tips and the hints
[01:02] <knucks> whats the good xine program?
[01:02] <BobaFett> What do you use tu brn cds? kd3, arson, nautilus, what?
[01:02] <knucks> xine -something
[01:02] <apokryphos> Heh, funnily enough, vim was voted the editor of the year on LinuxQuestions. :D
[01:02] <Funraiser> Xappe are u kidding me, i found it today in no time on piratebay.org
[01:02] <Mom> Hi all.  I hope I'm not bothering, but I can't seem to boot from the Ubuntu CD that I dl. I WINISOed it and burned it to cd.  I had no trouble with SuSE or Fedora Core.  What am I doing wrong? I'm very new to this.
[01:03] <apokryphos> BobaFett: whatever floats your boat; I use k3b.
[01:03] <Xappe> Funraiser, mhm, I've installed the cvs-version, but I have hard times using it :)
[01:03] <knucks> Funraiser: whats that one xine program?
[01:03] <MMond> Everyone has actually suggested that I quickly get used to it - that vim will serve me great goods once I get used to it
[01:03] <BobaFett> apokryphos: I cant get k3b to see my damn cdrw can also WRITE cds! :(
[01:03] <djp> knucks: xine-gui
[01:03] <knucks> thats the one
[01:03] <hayden> can anyone help me with samba, it says /etc/mtab is locked whenever i try to mount a share (i am gonna format and reinstall if no fix)
[01:04] <knucks> is it in synaptic?
[01:04] <Funraiser> a video player
[01:04] <BobaFett> apokryphos: I try to run k3bsetup2 but i get a 'path not found' error...
[01:04] <Funraiser> easier
[01:04] <Xappe> BobaFett, I use graveman
[01:04] <Funraiser> on ubuntuguide.org
[01:04] <djp> knucks: should be if you have the correct repos setup
[01:04] <knucks> im on hoary..
[01:04] <BobaFett> Xappe: My problem doesnt seem to be on the software/frontends, I think its just that im missing something to write cds...drivers maybe?
[01:04] <knucks> i tried apt-get installing it but it couldnt find it
[01:05] <Funraiser> on warty it is on synaptic
[01:05] <djp> knucks: i think it is in universe or maybe multiverse, maybe somebody here can help us out with that one
[01:05] <knucks> brb..
[01:05] <JDahl> it's xine-ui, no?
[01:05] <Funraiser> yep
[01:05] <hayden> can anyone help me with samba, it says /etc/mtab is locked whenever i try to mount a share (i am gonna format and reinstall if no fix)
[01:06] <djp> JDahl: right!
[01:07] <psy__> nn
[01:08] <djp> knucks: xine-ui = universe repo
[01:08] <Mom> If you had to tell your mom what to do with the Ubuntu DL, what would you tell here?
[01:08] <tims> try it as a livecd first mom
[01:08] <Funraiser> go back to windows
[01:08] <djp> Mom: wait for me to visit...
[01:09] <Funraiser> lol
[01:10] <djp> my parents are using a windows 3.11 box with full digital camera support, mp3 playback and cd burning functionality!
[01:10] <snowblink> Mom: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=13414&page=1&pp=10
[01:10] <tims> why?
[01:10] <djp> tims: they have an extremely old pc
[01:10] <apokryphos> Sounds excellent.
[01:10] <tims> that is so last century
[01:11] <djp> tims: it wokrs for them and the system is extremely fast
[01:11] <Funraiser> mom: linux is not ready for you yet, but it's coming fast
[01:11] <djp> tims: any other operating system will just crawl along
[01:11] <BobaFett> What kind of Win 3.11 is THAT? O.o
[01:12] <djp> BobaFett: the usual ;)
[01:12] <BobaFett> All I ever got my Win3.11 to do was to run AVI files...but that was it, and they played at 16bpp! LOL
[01:12] <Funraiser> knucks?
[01:12] <Errejo> Hey, anyone here had trouble with dcGUI sharelist not being readable ? It's like the text is same color as background or not there at all .. I can see the expansion arrow thingies but ..
[01:12] <BobaFett> Tell your parents they ROCK, djp :)
[01:12] <djp> BobaFett: usb support is available under Windows 3.11, it's just a bugger to get working!
[01:13] <Seq> BobaFett: nice, i only ever ran win 3.1 or 3.11 at 256 colours
[01:13] <BobaFett> when I had Win3.11, a joypad was already strange enough xD
[01:13] <Funraiser> i had a cpc 6128
[01:13] <JDahl> djp, I think I have some OS/2 floppies stashed somewhere they can have... it's 100% Win31 compatible, a 32bit OS and true multitasking!!
[01:13] <Euphoria> hi all
[01:13] <djp> BobaFett: have installed DeliLinux as a dual boot os for them just recently
[01:13] <BobaFett> Ever heard of Scitech Display Doctor, Seq? It got Win3.11 to run using VESA Standards..16bpp was a breeze :)
[01:14] <BobaFett> Oh, your parents rock more than I do. :)
[01:14] <Seq> BobaFett: yeah, i had heard, and being a kid at the time i remember my uncle telling me about it. but all the games were for dos anyway
[01:14] <djp> JDahl: trust me JDahl, i have problems explaining what they have to do to connect to the internet everytime!
[01:14] <BobaFett> Seq...Win3.11 had some rare jewels, too! Ever tried the Win version of Adeline's Time Commando?
[01:15] <Seq> BobaFett: not about scitech display doctor itself, but about having "better colours" :p
[01:15] <tims> omg are you guys seriously reminiscing about win3.1?
[01:15] <Errejo> any suggestions what I can use instead of dcGUI then, that you know is working ok ?
[01:15] <djp> tims: lol
[01:15] <Seq> BobaFett: pfft, i was all about wolfenstein and test drive at the time
[01:15] <BobaFett> Win3.1 brings back some fond memories...
[01:16] <BobaFett> Wolfenstein and Test Drive? So...Never tried Cosmo's Cosmic Adventure from Epic? Or ANY Epic game?
[01:16] <BobaFett> Jill of the Jungle? Tyrian?
[01:16] <BobaFett> Man, you missed some real pieces of work!
[01:16] <Seq> BobaFett: fond memories of win 3.1? well that makes one of us! :)
[01:16] <djp> BobaFett: tyrian! Now you're talking!
[01:16] <knucks> Funraiser: yeh?
[01:16] <tims> man I hated win3.1, but then I was writing software for it at the time..
[01:16] <Funraiser> got xine?
[01:16] <BobaFett> Ive always been a Winblows user, guys...im sorry *blushes*
[01:17] <Seq> BobaFett: it was neat, but having no modem at the time, everything i wanted to do was faster in dos. so granted my usage was a little different, but it allows me to have no particularly fond memories of it at all
[01:17] <BobaFett> And now I cant even burn a CD under Linux LOL
[01:17] <apokryphos> Nothing can beat the old-school Macs; used to have solitaire even on our first one. Killer stuff.
[01:17] <djp> BobaFett: use cdrecord
[01:17] <BobaFett> I know whatcha mean, Seq...Win3.11 games were rare at the time...most Windows-powered gamers discovered games at the birth of DirectX
[01:17] <knucks> Funraiser: no
[01:17] <knucks> i cant find it
[01:17] <Quest-Master> BobaFett: Tried gnomebaker?
[01:17] <Funraiser> on synaptic?
[01:18] <djp> knucks: check what repos you have activated
[01:18] <BobaFett> gnomebaker? Nopes,...never heard of it...
[01:18] <tims> yeah yeah so my first computer didn't even have a tape drive.. and only a memo pad mode with no programming language, but you don't see me getting all misty-eyed
[01:18] <Seq> BobaFett: thats because you had "better" raw graphics support under dos until direct x
[01:18] <Xappe> Errejo, i'm using linuxdcpp (linux port of dc++)
[01:18] <knucks> djp: all of them are
[01:18] <BobaFett> Seq: And also, DirectX games were visually stunning for the time...it was too hard to resist :)
[01:19] <Errejo> thanks, Xappe, I'll check it out
[01:19] <djp> knucks: JDahl pointed out earlier it is xine-ui not xine-gui as i mistakenly called it
[01:19] <Mom> djp:  I hope you got my thank you message!
[01:19] <knucks> ahh well then i can get it
[01:19] <Seq> BobaFett: i disagree. what was the big game to launch direct x? Fury3. Ever play terminal velocity for dos? exact same game.
[01:19] <djp> Mom: sorry?
[01:19] <Xappe> Errejo, http://linuxdcpp.berlios.de/articles.php?um=index
[01:20] <BobaFett> Seq: Ever tried the 'Win95 Games - No Limits' Demo CD Microsoft lauched with DirectX?
[01:20] <tims> join channel #win3.1geezers
[01:20] <Seq> BobaFett: nopes
[01:20] <BobaFett> It was a graphical miracle...and I agree, Fury3 sucked bigtime. But The DirectX Demo CD had some real jewels.
[01:20] <Quest-Master> Fury3.. oh man.
[01:20] <knucks> ok i got xine-ui
[01:20] <knucks> how do i run it
[01:20] <Mom> I sent you a thank you message.  I guess you didn't get it.  thanks for the link.  It looks like just what I need.
[01:20] <Quest-Master> That was like, THE game.
[01:20] <djp> Seq: TV... excellent game!
[01:20] <Funraiser> applications/multimedia
[01:20] <Seq> BobaFett: oh i thought fury3 was a great game actually. im just saying its the same as terminal velocity for dos
[01:21] <djp> tims: lol!!!
[01:21] <knucks> Funraiser: its not there
[01:21] <BobaFett> Really? I was more of a Descent kinda guy. Fury3 lacked some serious gameplay issues.
[01:21] <Funraiser> OMG
[01:21] <Seq> and to be honest, i've got dosbox installed for games but no cedega ;)
[01:21] <Funraiser> reboot
[01:21] <Chipzz> terminal velocity rules :)
[01:21] <knucks> ok
[01:22] <Mom> snowblink: that's for the link!
[01:22] <BobaFett> Also...you cant expect Microsoft's Fury 3 to become a classic when you have a similar game out in the market...and made by George Broussard and 3dRealms themselves...
[01:22] <Seq> BobaFett: descent was definately better, but it was give-take. you were _always_ in the mines in descent, wheras you were usually outside in fury3 (and the mines were just crappy tunnels)
[01:22] <BobaFett> Descent 2 had really cool open spaces!
[01:22] <BobaFett> But I agree Descent's scent was claustrophobia.
[01:23] <djp> Funraiser: knuck's upgrade seems to have gone somewhat pear shaped
[01:23] <knucks> Its not there
[01:23] <Seq> BobaFett: descent2 didnt have any open spaces other than relly big rooms in the mines. descent 3 had some open spaces, but you couldnt leave the valleys iirc
[01:23] <Seq> (never played descent 3, really)
[01:23] <BobaFett> Anyways...Microsoft tried to outgame 3DRealms at what they did best. So...as you can guess, I never really liked Furt3 :)
[01:24] <Funraiser> ...dunno
[01:24] <djp> knucks: can u let us know what is in your sources.list?
[01:24] <knucks> yeah
[01:24] <knucks> um
[01:24] <Seq> BobaFett: (i should also mention descent 2 was one of my favourite games. right up there with syndicate and privateer -- all of which are dos games :)
[01:24] <knucks> how tho
[01:24] <knucks> where do u want me to paste it
[01:24] <BobaFett> Syndicate ! LOL Bullfrog was DA BOMB!
[01:24] <BobaFett> I got Syndicate Wars, too. Ever tried it?
[01:24] <Seq> yeah, i wasnt a big fan of it
[01:25] <Seq> prolly 'cause it was slow on my machine or something being all 3d
[01:25] <BobaFett> Neither was I...but it was one of my first CD-Rom games...so...it still brings tears to my eyes :)
[01:25] <Funraiser> try applications/runapplications/ and type xine
[01:25] <Funraiser> run
[01:25] <tims> one word: Starcraft
[01:26] <Funraiser> and boulder dash
[01:26] <BobaFett> Boulder Dash for the Atari 800XL was the reason I got into consoles... :)
[01:26] <BobaFett> I never was a Space Invaders kinda guy.
[01:26] <Seq> never got into warcraft or starcraft. i really liked the c&c games though
[01:26] <djp> Funraiser: boulder dash II rockford's revenge, now that IS a puzzle game!
[01:26] <Funraiser> i spent nights on boulder dash
[01:27] <djp> tims: starcraft was one game i am ashamed to say i missed...
[01:27] <tims> 800xl was not a console :)
[01:27] <BobaFett> Warcraft: Orcs and Humans got me hooked on my 386sx 16mhz, and I never stopped since :)
[01:27] <djp> timss: 800xml was an atari, right?
[01:27] <apokryphos> Starcraft was great, but RedAlert better.
[01:27] <BobaFett> I know, tims, but after seeing Boulder Dash, I had to get the new 'Nintendo' thing everyone was talking about :)
[01:27] <OmniColossus> TA for linux would rule my world
[01:27] <Xappe> Dune 2
[01:27] <Funraiser> redalert was cool
[01:28] <tims> lol, 800XL was a 64k fire-breathing 6502-based microcomputer
[01:28] <Seq> Xappe: i never had a chance to play dune 2 until after c&c, oddly enough
[01:28] <apokryphos> Final Fantasy games have to have been the ones that consumed the most amount of my childhood. ;-)
[01:28] <OmniColossus> but I would settle for some powerpc Quake2 bots
[01:28] <BobaFett> for me? Atari 800Xl was nothing more than BoulderDash, Montezuma, Green Beret and Henry's House :)
[01:28] <tims> sigh
[01:28] <Seq> apokryphos: final fantasy 7 was the only one i played repeatedly.
[01:28] <Xappe> well, dune 2 is still ome of the best rts games imho
[01:28] <Funraiser> was addicted to boulder dash, actually there is a version of it right here on ubuntu, found that the other day, on games/stones!!
[01:29] <BobaFett> Chrono Trigger ownz Final Fantasy :)
[01:29] <OmniColossus> chrono trigger :D
[01:29] <OmniColossus> jinx jinx jinx
[01:29] <apokryphos> Seq: It was the clear favourite for me, too. I think I completed it at least 2/3 times.
[01:29] <Seq> i think most of my childhood went into the wing-commanders, especially privateer.
[01:29] <apokryphos> could feel the tears coming when Aeris died. ;)
[01:29] <Funraiser> check boulder dash on ubuntu on games/stones!
[01:29] <jeff_> what about space quest
[01:29] <BobaFett> Oh, I was more of a TIEFighter/X-Wing type of guy :)
[01:29] <apokryphos> damn that Sephiroth
[01:29] <Xappe> chrono trigger is totally addictive
[01:29] <kaos> does anyone know the name for this gui front end to cdrecord its like a three letter acronym
[01:30] <apokryphos> k3b
[01:30] <BobaFett> kaos: KD3?
[01:30] <Seq> apokryphos: i had the pc version, so I accidently found out aeris died way too early (the videos were just avi's)
[01:30] <BobaFett> K3B
[01:30] <kaos> yeh
[01:30] <BobaFett> (typo xD)
[01:30] <OmniColossus> secret of mana was also fun
[01:30] <kaos> It took a min
[01:30] <apokryphos> Seq: you cheat :P
[01:30] <Funraiser> a sec
[01:30] <kaos> thanks
[01:30] <BobaFett> Secret of Mana rules! I played even the 'Seiken Densetsu' ones xD
[01:30] <apokryphos> Seq: any idea if that's still available anywhere? Would love to see some of those cinematics again.
[01:31] <Seq> BobaFett: i had those too. but didnt it always get down to the point where you knew EXACTLY how the mission would play out, so you could time everything to get all bonus objectives?
[01:31] <OmniColossus> secret of phantasia was translated, but I have yet to play it
[01:31] <Seq> apokryphos: ff7?
[01:31] <apokryphos> yeah
[01:31] <skel_home> any users of amd64 ubuntu ?
[01:31] <Seq> apokryphos: prolly somewhere, im sure. I still have the pc version in a box somewhere im sure
[01:31] <BobaFett> Seq: Oh, yeah...bonus objectives earned you the right to be the Emeperor's personal badass and have a killer tatoo...what can possibly be cooler? :)
[01:31] <veristead> ok.... so i jst got a uMax SuperMac 600 series (603e/240) and currently it is running MacOS 8.5 and i want to make it run Ubuntu however it seemingly will not boot from the CD drive any other suggestions of getting Ubuntu onto the machine?
[01:32] <veristead> it is a mac clone
[01:32] <skel_home> veristead: you probably need to go through the oldworld mac install proceedures
[01:32] <apokryphos> will do
[01:33] <veristead> ske1_home: floppy?
[01:33] <Funraiser> knucks?
[01:33] <skel_home> veristead: yeah I think so
[01:34] <knucks> Funraiser: djps helpin..
[01:34] <Funraiser> oh
[01:34] <Funraiser> k
[01:34] <knucks> yeay
[01:34] <knucks> got it
[01:34] <Funraiser> xine's working?
[01:35] <knucks> well i dont have a video to test it on
[01:35] <knucks> but yes
[01:35] <Funraiser> the shortcut too?
[01:35] <knucks> yeh
[01:35] <djp> knucks: well done
[01:35] <thierry> Funraiser, wich version of xine?
[01:35] <knucks> my next order of business tho...my printer doesnt work
[01:35] <Funraiser> 0.99.1
[01:35] <Funraiser> thierry
[01:36] <thierry> funraiser, yeah?
[01:36] <djp> ok night all, my bed is calling before my 2 year old does!
[01:36] <Funraiser> version 0.99.1
[01:36] <BobaFett> damn cdrw!!! i just cant get it to workkk...do i need scsi drivers for and atapi cdrw?
[01:36] <knucks> night
[01:36] <Funraiser> night djp
[01:36] <veristead> can i get Ubuntu on to floppy disks?
[01:36] <knucks> thx for the help
[01:36] <Funraiser> no bobafett
[01:36] <Funraiser> mine is like yours
[01:36] <Funraiser> and it works on atapi
[01:37] <knucks> why doesnt my printer work
[01:37] <BobaFett> Funraiser: What could be the problem with my cdrecord command? I cant get it to run a succesful scanbus...
[01:37] <Funraiser> ide
[01:37] <veristead> anyone know if Ubuntu can ship floppies instead of CDs?
[01:37] <Funraiser> are u on hoary or warty?
[01:37] <Funraiser> don't think so
[01:38] <thierry> funraiser, I have 0.99.3 and it works well but I don't have any link
[01:38] <HrdwrBoB> veristead: um.. no
[01:38] <knucks> how do i get RAR working
[01:38] <knucks> i have a trance cd to unrar
[01:38] <Funraiser> knuck ubuntuguide.org
[01:38] <knucks> and the one in the guide wont work for me
[01:38] <Funraiser> no?
[01:38] <skel_home> veristead: what I did for my ibook before they could get the cd / hd to work on the same channel was copy the kernel and yaboot to my mac os9 drive and booted off that.. then inserted the cd
[01:38] <knucks> Funraiser: nope
[01:39] <apokryphos> found a couple of great ones :D
[01:39] <thierry> knucks : try apt-get install unrar
[01:40] <knucks> package unrar has no installation candidate
[01:40] <thierry> knucks : hoary or warty?
[01:40] <knucks> hoary
[01:40] <veristead> ske1_home interesting
[01:40] <veristead> seemingly, now that i try it, the CD drive doesn't work
[01:41] <veristead> it won't mount any CD i put in there
[01:41] <thierry> knucks : do you have all the repositories of ubuntuguide but with hoary instead of warty?
[01:41] <knucks> i think so.
[01:41] <thierry> knucks : because with all the repositories for hoary I get it
[01:41] <Funraiser> thierry try gmplayer
[01:42] <knucks> can i PM u and show u?
[01:42] <Funraiser> oupps
[01:42] <Funraiser> i mean try...
[01:42] <veristead> what would be interesting is if i could install it via a network
[01:42] <veristead> connect it to another machine
[01:42] <Funraiser> nautilus nautilus applications:///Multimedia
[01:42] <veristead> and install it from that machine
[01:42] <Funraiser> and add a new launcher if u know where the bin is
[01:42] <veristead> or i could pull out the hard drive and install it from another computer
[01:43] <thierry> !!!!! gcc is not installed by default in ubuntu???
[01:43] <JDahl> thierry, sudo apt-get install build-essential gives you most software development tools
[01:44] <johnnybezak> thierry!!! OMG!!! :P
[01:44] <knucks> mmm I got it
[01:44] <knucks> eh
[01:44] <knucks> wtf
[01:44] <knucks> i got rar
[01:44] <knucks> still doesnt wanna unrar it
[01:44] <knucks> do i have to restart?
[01:45] <JDahl> knucks, probably you need unrar-nonfree
[01:45] <Funraiser> no
[01:45] <Funraiser> Applications -> Accessories -> Archive Manager
[01:46] <thierry> no gtk+ neither!!!!!!!!
[01:46] <knucks> JDahl yup. Thanks
[01:46] <Funraiser> is it that bad?
[01:46] <JDahl> thierry, it does come with apt-get, though
[01:46] <crimsun> thierry: um, gtk+ _is_ installed by default, else gnome wouldn't even run.
[01:47] <knucks> ok who can help me with my printer?
[01:47] <knucks> i need to get it working
[01:47] <Funraiser> well i go to bed now...night all
[01:47] <knucks> g'd night mate
[01:47] <crimsun> thierry: but the decision to not install the devel portions is based on the sane idea that most desktop users won't need to compile ;-)
[01:47] <thierry> JDahl, crimsun : strange I can't get to get ./configure of firefox working because he says that GTK+ isn't installed
[01:48] <thierry> crimsun: ok I understand
[01:48] <crimsun> thierry: that's because it's looking for libgtk2.0-dev
[01:48] <crimsun> thierry: just do: apt-get build-dep mozilla-firefox
[01:49] <thierry> crimsun: thanks! Now I see how yum is nothing comparing to apt-get
[01:49] <crimsun> :p
[01:50] <ells> can anyone help me with burning my vob files to a dvd. I did it and it wont play
[01:51] <thierry> crimsun: I still get this error about GTK :
[01:51] <thierry> checking for gtk-config... no
[01:51] <thierry> checking for GTK - version >= 1.2.0... no
[01:51] <thierry> *** The gtk-config script installed by GTK could not be found.
[01:51] <thierry> *** If GTK was installed in PREFIX, make sure PREFIX/bin is in
[01:51] <thierry> *** your path, or set the GTK_CONFIG environment variable to the
[01:51] <thierry> *** full path to gtk-config.
[01:51] <thierry> *** GTK+ is available from ftp://ftp.gtk.org/pub/gtk
[01:51] <thierry> configure: error: Test for GTK failed.
[01:51] <crimsun> thierry: is there any reason you're using ./configure by hand?
[01:51] <thierry> crimsun: how could I fix that?
[01:51] <crimsun> thierry: (it's looking for libgtk1.2-dev)
[01:52] <thierry> crimsun: I want to test a change I made for an ubuntu bug
[01:52] <johnnybezak> have any of you guys noticed how much better man pages for bsd are? why doesn't some one copy them for the gnu pages?
[01:52] <crimsun> thierry: best to apt-get source mozilla-firefox and use the ubuntu's build infrastructure
[01:53] <crimsun> johnnybezak: well, openbsd's man pages are wonderful
[01:53] <thierry> cimsun : what is the ubuntu's build infrastructure?
[01:53] <thierry> crimsun
[01:53] <crimsun> thierry: dpkg-dev, etc.
[01:54] <thierry> crimsun: any howto or deeper explanation about that? I don't know what is dpkg-dev so...
[01:54] <crimsun> thierry: the tools used to create a .deb
[01:54] <johnnybezak> crimsun: mb youre right, but I was using mac os x over summer and if you compare the darwin "man chmod" to the on on ubuntu, its shameful
[01:54] <thierry> ok!! and how do I do this?
[01:55] <crimsun> thierry: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/
[01:55] <JDahl> thierry, what is you want? to compile firefox on your own?
[01:56] <thierry> JDahl : just to test something I added for an Ubuntu bug
[01:57] <JDahl> thierry, why dont you patch the ubuntu package, apt-get source firefox? then you have infrastructure for making debs
[01:57] <knucks> so heres a question..where the hell did Azureus and LimeWire disappear to
[01:57] <techn9ne> they disapeared?
[01:58] <knucks> yeah
[01:58] <knucks> ..
[01:58] <techn9ne> from where?
[01:58] <knucks> i had them before i upgraded to hoary
[01:58] <knucks> now they're gone
[01:58] <knucks> and i cant seem to get them working
[01:58] <techn9ne> your java is probably brocken
[01:58] <techn9ne> type : java at command line
[01:59] <mroth> has anyone ran into a problem where the machine refuses to boot when a USB media reader is plugged in?
[01:59] <techn9ne> its either gonna spit out a bunch of information or give you an error saying command not found
[01:59] <knucks> techn9ne: ok
[01:59] <thierry> JDahl : wait a minute, how do I patch the ubuntu package?
[01:59] <knucks> i got info
[01:59] <crimsun> mroth: boots normally when the usb device is unplugged, correct?
[01:59] <techn9ne> ok
[01:59] <techn9ne> goto limewire /azureus directroy
[01:59] <mroth> crimsun: yep, and you can plug it in post-boot and it works fine
[01:59] <crimsun> thierry: use the dpatch infrastructure
[01:59] <GodKiller> fuck i cant fucking believe this nasty piece of shit wont play any sounds
[01:59] <techn9ne> knucks: start from command line and see whatit says
[01:59] <JDahl> thierry, you get the source package, "sudo apt-get source firefox"
[02:00] <knucks> ok i can load them..
[02:00] <techn9ne> for some reason i cant start limewire only8 from command line
[02:00] <techn9ne> i dont know why i havent figured it out yet
[02:00] <techn9ne> :-/
[02:00] <thierry> JDahl, ok then what?
[02:00] <mroth> crimsun: but when its plugged in at boot... you dont get past the initrd area of stuff
[02:00] <JDahl> thierry, then you start hacking...
[02:01] <crimsun> mroth: I've seen it, yes. I work around it by plugging in the device later.
[02:01] <thierry> JDahl, ok and once my hacking is finished? That's about where I am
[02:01] <knucks> whats that program im looking for to make shortcuts in the panel?
[02:01] <knucks> its like..
[02:01] <knucks> php-gtk
[02:01] <mroth> crimsun: ah, any idea what causes it?
[02:02] <crimsun> mroth: did you experience this with warty and/or hoary?
[02:02] <JDahl> thierry, I havent build my own debs in awhile so I forgot the command... maybe crimsum remembers? it's quite easy, though
[02:02] <mroth> crimsun: dont recall when it started, i've been running hoary for quite a while.. its persisted for at least the past few kernel versions
[02:03] <crimsun> thierry: I posted above a url to the maint-guide
[02:03] <crimsun> thierry: it's also installable via apt-get
[02:04] <JDahl> thierry, I bet "man dpkg-buildpackage" would be helpful
[02:04] <Errejo> I can't use my dsa ssh key made in windows with puttygen when I'm in linux ? It won't accept my passphrase
[02:04] <thierry> k
[02:05] <veristead> ok... can anyone help me with something
[02:05] <mroth> crimsun: any idea what the best way to track it down would be?  I'd like to get it well documented so it can hopefully be patched out at some point.  unfortunately kernel-level magic is beyond me.
[02:05] <veristead> i keep trying to get help but i keep getting turned down
[02:05] <crimsun> mroth: keep an eye on what the kernel reports when you plug it in
[02:06] <JDahl> veristead, down ask for help, just ask... if we know the answer, we will answer
[02:06] <JDahl> s/down/dont/
[02:06] <mroth> crimsun: plug it post-boot?  problem only occurs during boot, so the post-boot plugin works successfully
[02:06] <crimsun> mroth: yes
[02:07] <thierry> crimsun, Jdahl: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot is the solution
[02:07] <veristead> seemingly everytime i open the network  utility in Ubuntu Warty i keep getting an error message saying "The Configuration could not be loaded:  There was an error running the backend script"
[02:07] <JDahl> thierry, cool
[02:07] <veristead> it also happens on Users
[02:07] <veristead> and group
[02:07] <veristead> Time and Date
[02:07] <crimsun> thierry: that's one method, yes.
[02:07] <veristead> and so far that's it
[02:08] <veristead> it only worked once and that was when i was at the mall trying to show someone that it didn't work
[02:08] <JDahl> thierry, dont forget to increment the package version number
[02:08] <ells> anyone here using net applet
[02:09] <mroth> crimsun: alright, got the relevant output from kern.log in a text file
[02:09] <lupusBE> any gtk developers here that know of gtkmarshal.list?
[02:10] <King_Crimson> hello ?
[02:10] <ells> anyone here using net applet
[02:10] <thierry> JDahl, why incrementing?
[02:10] <King_Crimson> i have a ?
[02:11] <King_Crimson> anyone can help me?
[02:11] <JDahl> thierry, otherwise the package manager will probably replace your customized packaged right under your nose
[02:11] <thierry> ok!
[02:11] <King_Crimson> umm
[02:11] <King_Crimson> anyone no a lot oabout ubuntu i have a problem
[02:11] <ells> anyone using netapplet, I need some assistance
[02:11] <thierry> JDahl, I increment after creating it or is there a special command that I need to do?
[02:11] <JDahl> thierry, there
[02:12] <King_Crimson> SOMEONE
[02:12] <King_Crimson> HELP ME
[02:12] <techn9ne> King_Crimson: chill out. just ask your question
[02:12] <King_Crimson> ok
[02:12] <JDahl> thierry, there's a textfile in the debian directory with the version number.. just add a .1 to the end or something.
[02:12] <geppy> King_Crimson:  I AM SUDDENLY MOTIVATED TO HELP YOU
[02:12] <King_Crimson> see i have a ubuntu livecd
[02:12] <King_Crimson> and  wen i put it in
[02:12] <thierry> Jdahl, before or after building?
[02:12] <JDahl> thierry, before
[02:13] <King_Crimson> wen i try to go to the gui my monitor does not receive a video signal
[02:13] <ells> anyone using netapplet, I need some assistance
[02:13] <avirox> hey
[02:13] <avirox> how do i make my root writeable to?
[02:13] <King_Crimson> hello
[02:14] <geppy> How can I build an .xml file that is like the "Latest Headlines" in Firefox?  I'd like to be able to have a drop-down of the latest updates to the sites that I visit (it's a pain to have a separate Live Bookmark for each one).
[02:14] <geppy> avirox:  Don't.
[02:14] <ells> that and is anyone familiar how I can burn my vob files to a dvd to play here at home
[02:14] <avirox> geppy, why?
[02:14] <thierry> JDahl, wich file? the changelog?
[02:14] <thr1ce> can I choose a FS on ubuntu when installing?  or is there just a default
[02:14] <King_Crimson> ok guess none has ever had my problem
[02:14] <geppy> avirox:  Because it defeats the whole point of.. not having it writable.  It's a terrible security risk.
[02:14] <geppy> thr1ce:  There are many options, look around in the partition editor.
[02:15] <techn9ne> King_Crimson: warty or hoary?
[02:15] <JDahl> thierry, yes... I believe so
[02:15] <King_Crimson> warty
[02:15] <avirox> geppy,  only temporarily
[02:15] <crimsun> King_Crimson: your problem description is far too vague
[02:15] <geppy> thr1ce: There's ReiserFS, Ext2, Ext3, etc.
[02:15] <techn9ne> King_Crimson: file a bug report
[02:15] <King_Crimson> how?
[02:15] <thr1ce> if I have slackware installed, will it find that partition, and give me the option to use it?
[02:15] <King_Crimson> i just dont htink my vid card is configured for linux
[02:15] <crimsun> King_Crimson: you haven't told us anything about your hardware
[02:15] <geppy> avirox:  Well, if you *really* want to, you could do 'sudo chmod 777 /', but I still think that that's a bad way to do it.
[02:15] <King_Crimson> it isnt recognizing it
[02:15] <geppy> thr1ce:  It should.
[02:15] <King_Crimson> o rite
[02:15] <ells> that and is anyone familiar how I can burn my vob files to a dvd to play here at home
[02:15] <King_Crimson> nvidia gforce fx5200 ultra
[02:15] <avirox> geppy,  and how would i make it writeable again?
[02:15] <geppy> avirox:  Why not just write whatever you're wanting to write as root?
[02:15] <King_Crimson> penitum 3, 1000mhz
[02:16] <avirox> err
[02:16] <geppy> avirox:  Make it _un_writable again?
[02:16] <thr1ce> will it run as well as slackware?  someone told me i would see a huge decrease in speed (athlon 2100 with a gig of ram)
[02:16] <avirox> cuz i cant log in as root in ubuntu
[02:16] <avirox> for some reason
[02:16] <avirox> when i try it says "that account cannot log in from here"
[02:16] <crimsun> King_Crimson: the version of 'nv' in warty's livecd doesn't support the FX chipsets
[02:16] <thierry> JDahl, crimson: and once tested, what is the command to create the .patch file?
[02:16] <geppy> avirox:  You're not supposed to run as root.
[02:16] <geppy> avirox:  I don't think you're getting this security concept.
[02:16] <avirox> lol
[02:16] <avirox> k
[02:16] <crimsun> thierry: diff, then use dpatch to create the actual dpatch template
[02:16] <avirox> is there a COPY command in bash?
[02:16] <King_Crimson> o0o0 ok so how do i run ubuntu?
[02:17] <geppy> King_Crimson:  That's a terrible question.
[02:17] <crimsun> King_Crimson: try with the livecd from array-6
[02:17] <crimsun> King_Crimson: see the topic
[02:17] <King_Crimson> wat u mean
[02:17] <ells> that and is anyone familiar how I can burn my vob files to a dvd to play here at home
[02:17] <King_Crimson> o ok
[02:17] <King_Crimson> ill try that then
[02:18] <geppy> ells:  Have you tried K3B?
[02:18] <geppy> ells:  Nevermind.
[02:18] <ells> I was told it wont work in hoary, that and these are vob files
[02:18] <geppy> ells:
[02:18] <JDahl> thierry, I dont know that one... I dont know if Debian uses something smarter than diff
[02:18] <geppy> ells: K3B works fine for me in Hoary, but it doesn't have a video disc option.
[02:18] <ells> I extracted the vobs, just need to burn them so they will work in my home dvd player
[02:18] <veristead> so i assume no one can answer my question?
[02:19] <crimsun> veristead: patience goes a long way
[02:19] <ells> geppy: any ideas
[02:19] <veristead> yea i know
[02:19] <geppy> ells:  Google? =/
[02:19] <veristead> sometimes i end up waiting for days for an answer
[02:19] <veristead> and googleing for one and never finding one
[02:20] <JDahl> veristead, have tried asking on the forum?
[02:20] <techn9ne> veristead: try forums or mailing lists
[02:20] <JDahl> have you...
[02:20] <veristead> no i have not
[02:20] <geppy> ells:  Do you just have the .vob files?
[02:21] <veristead> i cnt say i have unfortunately
[02:21] <ells> geppy: yes
[02:23] <ells> I am gonna try to make a cd image and then burn it
[02:25] <geppy> ells: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Create_a_DVD
[02:25] <veristead> out of curiosity... i downloaded some a theme from freshmeat, how do i install it?
[02:26] <geppy> veristead:  There are lots of different kinds of themes.  Are you talking about a GNOME theme?
[02:26] <ells> geppy: thanks
[02:27] <geppy> ells:  No problem.
[02:27] <veristead> yea geppy
[02:29] <veristead> geppy this is the theme i am trying to install
[02:29] <veristead> http://themes.freshmeat.net/projects/1in1-xp-gtk/
[02:29] <veristead> that one
[02:30] <geppy> veristead: Cool.
[02:30] <geppy> veristead: Desktop>Preferences>Themes
[02:30] <veristead> any suggestions of how to install it anyone?
[02:30] <thr1ce> looks like iceWM to me
[02:32] <veristead> geppy yea i know...
[02:32] <ells> geppy: are you familiar with netapplet
[02:32] <veristead> but it won't install
[02:32] <veristead> i am not sure if i am selecting the right file
[02:32] <veristead> but i think i am
[02:32] <geppy> ells:  No, sorry.
[02:32] <ells> it is installed but it is not working
[02:34] <Quarupt> wow theres a sesame street techno remix
[02:34] <geppy> Quarupt:  clicky?
[02:35] <ells> anyone know about netapplet
[02:38] <Quarupt> geppy, huh?
[02:38] <pugio> hey, how can I uninstall and purge and completely destroy Gnome and all of it's components
[02:38] <geppy> Quarupt:  Do you have a link for the song?
[02:38] <pugio> ?
[02:38] <neom> Anyone know how to get your feed added to planet ubuntu?
[02:38] <geppy> pugio: erm, by not using Ubuntu?
[02:39] <Quarupt> i got it on a p2p
[02:39] <Quarupt> geppy, you use limewire?
[02:39] <pugio> geppy:  I need to reinstall Gnome
[02:39] <pugio> Ubuntu ahs been doing the strangest things
[02:39] <geppy> Quarupt: No, just aMule.
[02:39] <Quarupt> geppy, its actually a pretty cool song
[02:39] <pugio> random pieces of gnome disappear
[02:39] <eyequeue> pugio:  this may be of use
[02:39] <pugio> first gdm disappears
[02:39] <pugio> then teh control center
[02:39] <Quarupt> geppy, you might be able to find it on there  try sesame street remix, thats how i found it
[02:39] <eyequeue> pugio:  apt-get --reinstall install foo bar baz
[02:39] <pugio> just, poof! the entire package disappears
[02:39] <geppy> Quarupt: Alright, thanks.
[02:40] <eyequeue> pugio:  where foo bar and baz are package names
[02:40] <pugio> eyequeue: so if I did apt-get --reinstall install gnome would it install EVERYTHING
[02:40] <pugio> because random pieces are now missing
[02:40] <mdke> i've noticed that the gnome menu in hoary can be edited by amending the /usr/share/applications/*.desktop files. Is there any user specific way to amend the gnome menu?
[02:40] <pugio> and I"m not sure what those pices are
[02:40] <eyequeue> pugio:  no, it would only reinstall the pseudo-package gnome
[02:40] <pugio> eyequeue: ahh, then how to get everything?
[02:40] <eyequeue> pugio:  look, this will not produce a complete list, but it will probably come close
[02:40] <eyequeue> pugio:  okay?
[02:41] <pugio> say! If I upgraded teh whole thing to Hoary would it put everything in place?
[02:41] <veristead> so can anyone help me with installing themes
[02:41] <SebaSO> i can't install my Ubunto :( ?
[02:41] <pugio> eyequeue: ok :) and thanks (dpkg -l | grep gnome)
[02:41] <veristead> i am relatively new to Linux
[02:41] <mdke> veristead, yep wassup?
[02:41] <pugio> veristead: sure, just go to the computer menu
[02:41] <SebaSO> anyone can help me about install 
[02:41] <eyequeue> pugio:  dpkg -l gnome | grep ^ii | less
[02:41] <mdke> SebaSO, what's the problem?
[02:41] <avirox> hmm i got cedega installed but for some reason quake-based games are giving me flak, not being able to read from subdirs (IE glquake.exe gives me errors reading gfx.wad from ID1). Any ideas?
[02:42] <SebaSO> i can't install
[02:42] <mdke> SebaSO, you need to be more specific
[02:42] <eyequeue> pugio:  yep :)  i just added a filter for the ones that are currently installed on your box
[02:42] <johnnybezak> can't you install quake natively?
[02:42] <SebaSO> when i'm installing base packpages
[02:42] <pugio> eyequeue: if I upgraded the whole thing to hoary would it upgrade the entire gnome package (thereby replacing the missing stuff)
[02:42] <mdke> i've noticed that the gnome menu in hoary can be edited by amending the /usr/share/applications/*.desktop files. Is there any user specific way to amend the gnome menu?
[02:42] <veristead> ok so md5ke i downloaded this theme
[02:42] <SebaSO> there are ever difents errors
[02:42] <veristead> http://themes.freshmeat.net/projects/1in1-xp-gtk/
[02:43] <eyequeue> pugio:  if you'll be going to hoary anyway, knowing the risks, then ... yes, that will probably accomplish what you want, since i know there's a new gnome in hoary
[02:43] <mdke> ewwww
[02:43] <avirox> do i have to install games through cedega first in order to play them?
[02:43] <pugio> eyequeue: well, I know that Hoary appears to be pretty stable for most people, and Warty has been anything but
[02:43] <geppy> avirox:  Yes.
[02:43] <mdke> veristead, it should be as simple as popping it in ~/.themes/
[02:43] <avirox> aw crap
[02:43] <avirox> hehe
[02:43] <geppy> avirox:  Why don't you go into #cedega?
[02:43] <veristead> and now i have the file in my home directory  named '1in1-xp-gtk-default.tar.gz' and i dnt know wat else to do
[02:43] <avirox> ooh
[02:43] <pugio> eyequeue: as I said, ranomd pieces of gnome just....disappear
[02:43] <veristead> do i need to extract it first
[02:43] <avirox> sorry :P
[02:43] <veristead> or do i throw that file in there
[02:43] <mdke> veristead, yes
[02:43] <eyequeue> pugio:  btw, you seem to be fairly fluent in deb-based distros, right?
[02:43] <geppy> avirox: haha =)
[02:43] <veristead> ok
[02:44] <SebaSO> and when i check the cd.. every time there's errors
[02:44] <mdke> veristead, go into .themes
[02:44] <pugio> eyequeue: well, I've learned a lot since using Ubuntu but.... I'm ok with em
[02:44] <mdke> veristead, and do tar zxf ../filename
[02:44] <eyequeue> pugio:  i only caution agsinst hoary for someone that doens't know how to dig themself out of a disaster that could occur tomorrow :)
[02:44] <mdke> veristead, but that theme is seriously wrong
[02:44] <SebaSO> this happend with all my cd's i got 20 shiped by Conanical
[02:45] <eyequeue> pugio:  well, your dpkg -l | grep told me you were fluent enough :)
[02:45] <mdke> SebaSO, this is after you have rebooted for the first time?
[02:45] <pugio> eyequeue: well, it's for a friend, and you can't get any worse than having GNome go completely crazy on ya - but yeah, I can dig him out through vnc and ssh
[02:45] <eyequeue> pugio:  cool
[02:45] <pugio> eyequeue: well, I've been learing about debian prety fast - I like the dpkg system
[02:45] <SebaSO> nop, it's while i'm installing by frist time
[02:45] <eyequeue> pugio:  plus, you'll still have net access and can get here, if you really need more help
[02:46] <mdke> SebaSO, maybe ubuntu is not ready for your hardware
[02:46] <mdke> SebaSO, have a look on the hardware wiki and see if there are any errors reported. If not, then file a bug. Is this warty you are installing?
[02:46] <pugio> eyequeue: exactly, so... to upgrade to hoary I just replace all of my package sources from warty to hoary? (s/warty/hoary/
[02:46] <SebaSO> i've MSI K7 DElta2  with Nforce2 chipset
[02:46] <eyequeue> pugio:  i'm just always a bit cautious about blanketly advising hoary, since those newbies lurking might be tempted :)
[02:47] <SebaSO> yes warty 4.10
[02:47] <pugio> eyequeue: ahh, well as I said, it can't get any worse than thi
[02:47] <eyequeue> pugio:  exactly, and then a sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade (you need that dist this time)
[02:47] <pugio> eyequeue: I thought that might be the case - thanks a bunch! here goes nothing
[02:48] <eyequeue> dist- calls in some more drastic resolution routines
[02:48] <SebaSO> mdke: where i can see on wiki about my hardware
[02:48] <SebaSO> ?
[02:48] <mdke> hang on
[02:48] <mdke> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupport
[02:50] <SebaSO> mdke: i think something can happend with my HDD
[02:50] <thierry> crimson: what is the exact command to create a .patch file?
[02:50] <SebaSO> what kind of problems do you know have relation with HDDs?
[02:51] <SebaSO> mkde: all my hardware is supported !
[02:52] <hyphen> howdy
[02:52] <eyequeue> thierry:  man diff, you're probably looking for diff foo bar > file.patch
[02:52] <hyphen> i was wondering if someone could help me with something
[02:53] <eyequeue> hyphen:  ?
[02:53] <hyphen> i just installed ubuntu as per my friend's recommendation and i'm totally new to linux
[02:54] <hyphen> everythings working fine, but my web browsing is pertty slow.  it takes upwards of 10-20 seconds to resolve the host
[02:54] <eyequeue> hyphen:  welcome
[02:54] <hyphen> thanks :P
[02:54] <hyphen> someone suggested popping my isp dns into the network settings, but i called comcast and they said that "comcast isn't compatible with linux"
[02:54] <eyequeue> hyphen:  sounds like you may have a bum nameserver in your path?  how are you connected to the outside?
[02:54] <hyphen> which i found to be total baloney
[02:55] <hyphen> cable modem >> router
[02:55] <SebaSO> eyequeue: why when i'm checking my cds in the install, look like all them are corrupt ?
[02:55] <eyequeue> hyphen:  lol, you are correct on that
[02:55] <eyequeue> SebaSO:  maybe they are?  i con't know that from here
[02:55] <hyphen> i called comcast again and asked for name server, but they said that comcast's nameservers were dynamic
[02:56] <hyphen> not sure if that's true or not or how i could get around this :/
[02:56] <eyequeue> hang on
[02:56] <hyphen> okie doke
[02:56] <pugio> hey how long would an upgrade from warty to hoary take assuming a standard verizon dsl connection?
[02:56] <pugio> (ie. about 100 KB/s and athalon 2800+)
[02:57] <mike998> pugio: took me about 2 hours (ish)
[02:57] <pugio> ah ok, thanks
[03:01] <SebaSO> eyequeue: i got about 20 cd's from shipit.ubutulinux.org ... do you think all them can be corrupt ?
[03:01] <eyequeue> probably not
[03:02] <SebaSO> i'll tray to install it on another pc... and cry !
[03:02] <SebaSO> thx all the way !!
[03:07] <ells> hey to make an iso for a dvd. what parts of the dvd do I have to rip out
[03:08] <SebaSO> i quest if i can install form a iso image on my HDD?
[03:10] <SebaSO> hello
[03:11] <pugio> hey, I'm trying to upgrade to hoary, but it keeps stalling at a certain point
[03:11] <pugio> Get:13 http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/multiverse Release [99B] 
[03:11] <pugio> 99% [Connecting to apt.cerkinfo.be (164.15.125.10)] 
[03:11] <pugio> it can't connect to apt.cerkinfo.be
[03:11] <phester> how do i mount a windows partition so i can copy files?
[03:11] <pugio> so the whole process dies
[03:11] <pugio> Could not connect to apt.cerkinfo.be:80 (164.15.125.10), connection timed out
[03:11] <pugio> now I'm stuck in the middle of an upgrade
[03:14] <pugio> apt.cerkinfo.be is not connectable
[03:14] <phester> no one who can tell me how to get access to a windows partition so I can copy files?
[03:14] <dazed_> on same box?
[03:14] <eyequeue> pugio:  if you rerun that command, will it try another machine?
[03:14] <pugio> no, it just does that one again ("that command" is that whole upgrade thing that we said before)
[03:14] <phester> dazed_, different disk
[03:15] <eyequeue> pugio:  yeah
[03:15] <dazed_> it should be listed as one of ur devices
[03:15] <dazed_> just like another drive our mount
[03:15] <dazed_> should be hda2 or something to that nature
[03:15] <eyequeue> pugio:  "host archive.ubuntu.com"
[03:16] <dazed_> phester the /dev directory is where u can find them
[03:16] <danix> hi
[03:16] <phester> ok
[03:16] <eyequeue> pugio:  i get a completely different machine from apt.cerkinfo.be here
[03:17] <pugio> hmmm
[03:17] <pugio> wellErr http://apt.cerkinfo.be unstable/main Packages
[03:17] <pugio>   Could not connect to apt.cerkinfo.be:80 (164.15.125.10), connection timed out
[03:17] <pugio> 77% [Connecting to apt.cerkinfo.be (164.15.125.10)] 
[03:17] <eyequeue> pugio:  comment that line out in your sources.list for now
[03:17] <crimsun> pugio: just comment it out
[03:18] <eyequeue> pugio: whatever is hosted there, you can add it back in tomorrow when the box is up
[03:18] <phester> dazed_, I was told that you have to mount it first!
[03:18] <phester> no idea how?
[03:19] <pugio> eyequeue: well, it's going now, thanks
[03:19] <eyequeue> pugio:  np
[03:19] <pugio> eyequeue: we shall see what else lays in store
[03:20] <dazed_> phester ...goto ur terminal /mnt <device>
[03:20] <stazich> i have problem playing my audio CDs, mp3s work but not the cd... does anyone know what could be the problem?
[03:20] <dazed_> you shouldnt have to mount it though
[03:20] <dazed_> it sould mount it when booting
[03:20] <hayden> what do the parameters -o and umask=0 do when you mount a drive?
[03:20] <danix> missing a extract cable audio maybe?
[03:21] <dazed_> hayden man mnt
[03:21] <hayden> ok
[03:21] <phester> I dont find any thing under /dev
[03:21] <eyequeue> hayden:  man mount even :)
[03:22] <hyphen> nameservers can't be dynamic, can they?
[03:22] <dazed_> im not too good at mounting devices so...type man mnt in the command to read up on it
[03:22] <dazed_> 'man mnt'
[03:22] <eyequeue> dazed_:  mount, not mnt
[03:22] <stazich> well i am not sure really... it is an iMac.. playback of CDs worked fine with OS9, but when i put ubuntu on the cdplayer identifies audio cd, starts playing the tracks, connects to CDDB etc. but NO SOUND... could it be codec or whatever else issue?
[03:22] <Quarupt> why cant i just do apt-get install kubuntu
[03:22] <dazed_> yes your right eyeque
[03:23] <Potato-Green> can anyone help me? im having problems on the install of ubuntu
[03:24] <Riddell> Quarupt: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[03:24] <dazed_> Quarupt next ttime apt-cache search <file> to get propper file name
[03:25] <Quarupt> well i was just asking cause i thought we had to get the array 6 cd
[03:25] <dazed_> oh ok
[03:25] <jeff_> where can i find some cool linux games
[03:25] <hyphen> i hate being a newb
[03:25] <hyphen> lol
[03:25] <waseem> Hi I am using gtkpod for my iPod. It doesn't seem to be working so I want to disconnect my iPod. It is displaying the message "Do not disconnect", how can I make it safe to disconnect the iPod without corrupting any files on the computer or ipod. Thanks.
[03:26] <Potato-Green> when I install unbuntu, it stops after a little while and i need help fixing it
[03:26] <jeff_> Potato-Green, mabey your install cd is damaged
[03:26] <dazed_> whens it stop>
[03:26] <Potato-Green> lemme check
[03:26] <Potato-Green> ACPI
[03:26] <dazed_> do you get through the cd part?
[03:26] <Potato-Green> should i turn it off?
[03:26] <Potato-Green> dazed_
[03:26] <Potato-Green> it works
[03:27] <dazed_> so you didnt even get started
[03:27] <Potato-Green> like it extracts and all
[03:27] <Potato-Green> yeah
[03:27] <dazed_> it extracts all from cd...then asks to reboot and then does it keep going from there?
[03:27] <Potato-Green> no
[03:27] <Potato-Green> it stops at acpi
[03:27] <Potato-Green> should i do acpi=off?
[03:27] <dazed_> you can try that...did you remove cd from drive?
[03:28] <Potato-Green> no
[03:28] <dazed_> well...
[03:28] <dazed_> do that
[03:28] <dazed_> lol
[03:28] <dazed_> and try it
[03:28] <Potato-Green> okay it went through
[03:28] <Potato-Green> with acpi=off
[03:28] <dazed_> ok
[03:28] <Quarupt> is kubuntu pretty stable?
[03:28] <dazed_> it was trying to read cd
[03:28] <Potato-Green> lol i hate being a n00b
[03:28] <dazed_> on the unpacking process
[03:28] <Potato-Green> oh ok
[03:28] <zenrox> Quarupt,  just as stable as hoary
[03:28] <diego> hi all
[03:28] <Quarupt> cool
[03:29] <diego> i guess there's no Macromedia Flash (creator) for linux, what are my alternatives?
[03:29] <dazed_> wine
[03:29] <Quarupt> anyone know a good beat maker, like Ejay Frootyloops and Reason, but for linux?
[03:29] <dazed_> and then
[03:29] <dazed_> try and install flash
[03:29] <dazed_> see if it works
[03:29] <Riddell> Quarupt: it's in the transition from kde 3.3 to 3.4
[03:29] <diego> dazed_: i'd rather go open-source if possible
[03:29] <bob2> there was one
[03:29] <bob2> called rebirth
[03:29] <bob2> but the author took it down
[03:29] <dazed_> diego: best thing to do is google
[03:30] <eyequeue> diego:  google, freshmeat, sourceforge, ...
[03:30] <diego> and search for what?
[03:30] <bob2> that's not that useful advice
[03:30] <bob2> most useful software is already in ubuntu
[03:30] <diego> maybe i shouldn't be using flash at all
[03:30] <diego> i don't care about using it on the web
[03:31] <diego> besides a simple slide show, what else is there?
[03:31] <eyequeue> diego:  that to me is the most open-source-y solution :)
[03:31] <dazed_> search for Linux Flash Apps
[03:31] <hyphen> oy.  anyone care to help me with my internet connection & ubuntu?
[03:32] <diego> hyphen: what's the problem?
[03:32] <hyphen> well eyequeu tried to help me already.  basically, everytime i try to browse a website, it takes a very long time to resolve the host
[03:32] <hyphen> downloading the actual page happens very quickly
[03:32] <dazed_> hyphen u on a network>
[03:33] <dazed_> ?
[03:33] <hyphen> yeah
[03:33] <hyphen> one of 2 machines in a lan
[03:33] <dazed_> windows network>?
[03:33] <edgarin> hello
[03:33] <zenrox> hyphen, have you put your routers ip addy in the dns server list
[03:33] <diego> so basically i need something more visually appealing than a presentation, and it should have layers...
[03:33] <hyphen> the routers ip address is already in
[03:33] <dazed_> is the 2nd machine windows machine?
[03:33] <zenrox> ok
[03:33] <hyphen> yes dazed
[03:33] <avirox> crap
[03:33] <hyphen> a wireless connection
[03:33] <avirox> i screwed something up in ubuntu
[03:33] <dazed_> ok well u need samba
[03:33] <diego> hyphen: "very long"? seconds or minutes?
[03:34] <hyphen> seconds
[03:34] <hyphen> usually around 20 seconds
[03:34] <hyphen> what's samba?
[03:34] <dazed_> hyphen: use synaptic select all packages scroll down to samba and install
[03:34] <eyequeue> dazed_:  but his concern is that dns resolution is slow, for the internet, not for the lan
[03:34] <diego> dazed_: did you even READ what samba said?
[03:34] <hyphen> ah, okay, i'll try that
[03:34] <diego> dazed_: samba is a microsoft file-sharing protocol
[03:34] <avirox> brb
[03:34] <diego> hyphen: stop
[03:34] <hyphen> ack
[03:34] <hyphen> k
[03:34] <dazed_> diego
[03:34] <hyphen> ?
[03:34] <diego> dazed_: slow dns resolution != microsoft filesharing
[03:35] <dazed_> diego: it helps configure the internet onnectino if the machine hosting the conn is microsoft
[03:35] <dazed_> trust me i did it last night
[03:35] <edgarin> [root@maquina1 root]  # apt-get install swat
[03:35] <edgarin> Reading Package Lists... Done
[03:35] <edgarin> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[03:35] <edgarin> The following extra packages will be installed:
[03:35] <edgarin>   samba
[03:35] <edgarin> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[03:35] <edgarin>   samba swat
[03:35] <dazed_> same prob
[03:35] <edgarin> 0 upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove and 6 not upgraded.
[03:35] <bob2> edgarin: please don't paste in here
[03:35] <edgarin> Need to get 0B/6239kB of archives.
[03:35] <edgarin> After unpacking 15.1MB of additional disk space will be used.
[03:35] <edgarin> Do you want to continue? [Y/n]  y
[03:35] <edgarin> Preconfiguring packages ...
[03:35] <edgarin> Selecting previously deselected package samba.
[03:35] <pablo928> diego: had the same problem...changed to a different router and now no problem.
[03:35] <edgarin> (Reading database ... 85971 files and directories currently installed.)
[03:35] <edgarin> Unpacking samba (from .../samba_3.0.7-1ubuntu6.3_i386.deb) ...
[03:35] <edgarin> Selecting previously deselected package swat.
[03:35] <edgarin> Unpacking swat (from .../swat_3.0.7-1ubuntu6.3_i386.deb) ...
[03:35] <diego> edgarin: wtf stop
[03:35] <edgarin> Setting up samba (3.0.7-1ubuntu6.3) ...
[03:35] <edgarin>  * Starting Samba daemons..                                              [fail] 
[03:35] <edgarin> invoke-rc.d: initscript samba, action "start" failed.
[03:35] <edgarin> dpkg: error processing samba (--configure):
[03:36] <edgarin>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[03:36] <edgarin> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of swat:
[03:36] <edgarin>  swat depends on samba (= 3.0.7-1ubuntu6.3); however:
[03:36] <hyphen> that's why this chan needs ops :P
[03:36] <edgarin>   Package samba is not configured yet.
[03:36] <dazed_> no pasting
[03:36] <edgarin> dpkg: error processing swat (--configure):
[03:36] <edgarin>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[03:36] <dazed_> jeeze
[03:36] <edgarin> Errors were encountered while processing:
[03:36] <edgarin>  samba
[03:36] <diego> wow
[03:36] <edgarin>  swat
[03:36] <edgarin> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[03:36] <edgarin> can you help me?
[03:36] <edgarin> is a proble with samba
[03:36] <diego> ok let me scroll up 300 pages
[03:36] <edgarin> diego: ok
[03:36] <dazed_> edgarin: dont paste in here use  a paste bin
[03:36] <diego> now that he's being ignored
[03:36] <edgarin> diego: can you help me?
[03:36] <edgarin> aja..
[03:36] <diego> hyphen: tell me about the physical topology of your network
[03:37] <hyphen> the microsoft box is conencted via wireless connection
[03:37] <hayden> i just installed warty
[03:37] <hayden> installed samba,
[03:37] <ells> is anyone familiar on how to make .img files in linux
[03:37] <hayden> how do i mount a smb share?
[03:37] <ells> I was told that is the way to copy dvds
[03:37] <hyphen> and im straight into the router
[03:37] <zenrox> hayden,  read www.ubuntuguide.org on how to mount a smb share
[03:38] <diego> hyphen: so just a regular router feeding 2 nodes
[03:38] <edgarin> Can you help me?
[03:38] <hyphen> yep
[03:38] <diego> hyphen: and this router is not made by microsoft?
[03:39] <edgarin> hyphen: can you help me?
[03:39] <hyphen> iit's an airlink router
[03:39] <hyphen> edgarin: i'd love to, but i'm a newb and need help myself
[03:39] <diego> hyphen: ok, so samba is definitely not applicable
[03:39] <hyphen> ah
[03:39] <diego> hyphen: your linux box is plugged in with an ethernet cable to the router, then?
[03:39] <niall> i'm a newbie also.  I need help in getting a logitech quickcam to work
[03:40] <pablo928> hyphen: can you bypass your router?
[03:40] <hyphen> diego: yeah.
[03:40] <johnnybezak> guys I need to make a bunch of thumbnails is there a cli program that i can use? (so that I can just do them all at once, instead of manually which would be a pain)
[03:40] <hyphen> pablo: not sure, let me try
[03:40] <ells> is anyone familiar on how to make .img files in linux
[03:41] <pablo928> diego: had the same problem as hyphen....had to change routers.
[03:41] <diego> hyphen: ok, /msg me the output of `ifconfig -a` please
[03:41] <diego> johnnybezak: look into imagemagick
[03:41] <diego> i think imagemagick's 'convert' program can do that
[03:41] <johnnybezak> diego: ok thanks
[03:41] <ells> is anyone familiar on how to make .img files in linux
[03:42] <diego> pablo928: i heard you the first time but that hardly seems like the logical solution right now :)
[03:42] <eyequeue> touch foo.img, lol
[03:42] <diego> eyequeue: haha
[03:42] <hyphen> diego: it says command not found
[03:42] <eyequeue> ells:  what is it?
[03:42] <diego> hyphen: as root (`sudo ifconfig -a`)
[03:42] <ells> eyequeue, I am trying to maka a viewable dvd for my player
[03:42] <hyphen> tried, it gave me the same
[03:42] <ells> using vobs
[03:42] <hyphen> Password:
[03:42] <hyphen> sudo: ipconfig: command not found
[03:42] <hyphen> hyphen@ubuntu:~ $
[03:43] <diego> i said ifconfig, ipconfig is M$
[03:43] <avirox> ok I'm not exactly sure how I did this, but now whenever i load up ubuntu I'm stuck in a dos-text terminal
[03:43] <eyequeue> ells:  okay, the reason i ask is, filename extensions don't mean much in linux, so file type is a bit more informative
[03:43] <hyphen> oy
[03:43] <avirox> i think it happened when i accidentally pressed ctrl_alt+backspace while in the OS
[03:43] <avirox> I dont know how to get out of it tho :/
[03:43] <ells> eyequeue, what would you suggest
[03:44] <eyequeue> ells:  "touch foo.img" would make one, but it sure would not be what you wanted :)  if i knew more ab out dvd creation, i could help better.  let me look at something, but meanwhile, someone else may know
[03:44] <ells> okay
[03:44] <avirox> i'm stuck in a  text console basically
[03:45] <cocol> avirox: startx
[03:45] <avirox> i just type that in?
[03:45] <ells> is anyone familiar with dvdrip
[03:45] <avirox> after logging in?
[03:45] <Xappe> avirox, yes
[03:46] <avirox> thank you very much!
[03:46] <eyequeue> ells:  actually, let me give you the command i just ran, "apt-cache search dvd | less"  scroll through that output and see which might seem best for you
[03:46] <neighborlee> :(need suggsetion...I need to be able to get the latest ( 6629 ) nvidia but ..when I try to dpkg nvida-glx for that version..it complain about missing nvidai-kernel-6629..and sadly that one is only a virtual package.....what now ? :(((( ( I must use new one a I've having errors in my app with 6111)
[03:46] <cocol> yeap avirox
[03:46] <ells> eyequeue, cool
[03:47] <cocol> as user avirox
[03:50] <stazich> i have problem playing my audio CDs, mp3s work but not the cd... does anyone know what could be the problem?
[03:50] <avirox> starx didnt work
[03:50] <hayden> i've installed samba, but when i do sudo smbmount... it says command not found smbmount?
[03:50] <avirox> i got "command not found"
[03:50] <avirox> :/
[03:50] <avirox> *startx
[03:51] <Hell-Razor> hey guys i was just wondering how advanced is ubuntu.. i migrated from gentoo to fedora, now im looking for a better distro than fedora because yum totally sucks.
[03:51] <hayden> dw i found
[03:51] <cocol> try "shutdown" and rstart
[03:52] <bear_afk> trying to decide what OS to install on my amd64 server - does ubuntu work correctly on amd64?
[03:52] <avirox> cocol: i tried reboot and logout
[03:52] <avirox> would "shutdown" make a difference?
[03:52] <_phate_> is there away to access audio on a CD digitally like you can in windows?
[03:52] <cocol> shutdown or halt
[03:53] <cocol> try it avirox
[03:53] <tims> I have amd64 and switched to i386 distro due to issues
[03:53] <avirox> k
[03:53] <bear_afk> tims: thanks - and the i386 runs cleanly?
[03:53] <tims> yes, i386 is nice.. esp. hoary
[03:54] <tizen> hey guys... How can I optimize my ubuntu system with an ATI Radeon 8500, i find many graphics things are using a ton of CPU, so I'm getting it's software based
[03:54] <bear_afk> thanks
[03:54] <tims> the amd64 works for most things, but I'll wait for others to straighten it out
[03:54] <avirox> ok cocol
[03:54] <cocol> succeedd?
[03:54] <bear_afk> tims: yea, I don't have the free time to be a hardware tester ;)
[03:54] <_phate_> crap peer got another...
[03:55] <tizen> Also, often i leave my computer for a while and when i come back Gaim is dead
[03:55] <_phate_> I'd love to be a hardware tester, I have plenty of time, provided that the hardware is free ;)
[03:56] <bear_afk> :)
[03:56] <bear_afk> hmm, is there a place to download hoary - or is it going to be an apt-get session after a warty install?
[03:56] <tizen> bear_afk: topic
[03:56] <_phate_> iirc its a new cd
[03:56] <tizen> the array-6 one
[03:56] <Hell-Razor> is the ubuntu a gui install?
[03:56] <bear_afk> gaa - yea, just saw the topic - tanks
[03:57] <diego> Hell-Razor: not really
[03:57] <diego> Hell-Razor: it's menu-driven though
[03:57] <tims> you could use array 6 but I'd start with array 5 of hoary
[03:57] <tims> fewer issues
[03:57] <Hell-Razor> diego: is it like pritty easy to use? or do you have to tell it "this is my hd, this is where its located, ect" like in gentoo installation
[03:58] <tizen> tims: what kind of issues?
[03:58] <tizen> I just installed it
[03:58] <tims> or start with warty, don't update until after you change sources.lst to hoary
[03:58] <diego> Hell-Razor: there is no gentoo installation. heh.
[03:58] <tims> Don't remember exactly.. I'm from warty.. but folks keep popping in here with array 6 install probs
[03:58] <diego> Hell-Razor: yeah it's very easy. the only part that's only slightly a pain is if you want to do a custom partitioning scheme
[03:58] <Hell-Razor> diego: im just trying to say, does it mostly auuto detect stuff
[03:59] <bear_afk> thanks for the info
[03:59] <Hell-Razor> diego: alright
[03:59] <diego> Hell-Razor: and there's always in here if you run into troubles, but it really shouldn't be an issue, specially if you've done a gentoo install
[03:59] <bluefoxicy> hey
[04:00] <tims> only issue I've had was a Geforce 6800 under warty.. but it's documented.. works hassle-free with hoary
[04:00] <bluefoxicy> ubuntu's installer won't choke on 64 megs of memory will ti?
[04:00] <Hell-Razor> diego: is there a need to print out the how-to for installation
[04:00] <diego> Hell-Razor: i didn't even know of one heh
[04:00] <Hell-Razor> diego: alright...i guess thats a good sign....15 seconds till i burn the bitch
[04:00] <diego> Hell-Razor: if you plan on wiping the entire drive and you know your hardware works, you should only have to hit next a few times
[04:01] <knucks> is there a way to alt+ctrl+del a prog in linux?
[04:01] <tims> sudo kill -9 :)
[04:01] <Hell-Razor> diego: i have two harddrive i want to copletly whipe out
[04:01] <fr500> hey
[04:01] <tizen> bluefoxicy: Shouldn't... Debian's didn't.
[04:01] <_phate_> I wouldn't do the three finger salute in linux, you'll only reboot your sys
[04:01] <Broncho> Hi, I am new to linuz and I have an ATI graphics card. I was getting an error about/.ICEauthority saying it cant boot but now Gnome boots and then freezes up complelty when I move the mouse around
[04:01] <fr500> hello
[04:01] <andrewski> knucks: or gnome-system-monitor
[04:01] <andrewski> knucks: i'm back if you still need help; sorry about that.
[04:01] <fr500> anyone has been able to create audio disk with gnomebaker?
[04:01] <ells> anyone have experience with copying your average video dvds
[04:02] <knucks> andrewski: naw i got it
[04:02] <ells> that will play on your home dvd player
[04:02] <Hell-Razor> diego: harddrive(s)
[04:02] <knucks> running hoary now
[04:02] <knucks> how do i launch the gnome thing u just said?
[04:02] <fr500> let me rephrase to proper english
[04:02] <diego> Hell-Razor: not sure what it does at that point, but i think it'll automatically wipe one for sure
[04:02] <fr500> has anyone been able to create audio disks with gnomebaker?
[04:03] <fr500> mine freezes at the converting part
[04:03] <tims> is the ubuntu update manager in warty?
[04:03] <andrewski> knucks: good :)  didn't mean to bail; my girlfriend came over (unexpectedly) and we needed to have a talk.  you need to install gnome-system-monitor, don't know if it is by default.
[04:03] <Hell-Razor> diego: heh alright...have you ever installed fedora?
[04:03] <diego> Hell-Razor: i guess just let it do its thing and then wipe the other one manually once you've booted into your machine
[04:03] <diego> Hell-Razor: no, closes thing is RH9
[04:03] <diego> closest*
[04:03] <knucks> how do i do it then andrewski?
[04:03] <ells> anyone have experience with copying your average video dvds
[04:03] <Broncho> anyone have any ideas on my problems with the freeszing?
[04:03] <Hell-Razor> diego: alright well is it that strait forward for install? im just trying to see what im getting myself into
[04:03] <andrewski> knucks: uh, i think it's in the menus... applications | system?
[04:04] <diego> Hell-Razor: i really think you'll be fine
[04:04] <Broncho> ells only on windows havnt had a chan ce on linux yet
[04:04] <OddAbe19> has anyone experienced a 'super applications' menu in Hoary? it seems like my Debian merged with all other menus
[04:04] <diego> Hell-Razor: it's exactly like a windows xp install in difficulty
[04:04] <Hell-Razor> diego: lol alright...by computer is going down now...i shuold be back in not too long =)
[04:04] <andrewski> knucks: or `gnome-system-monitor`
[04:04] <Hell-Razor> diego: wow thats pritty simple
[04:04] <tizen> Hey, if I install xorg-driver-fglrx with synaptic does it add it all to the X server?
[04:04] <diego> Hell-Razor: ~40 minutes on a pentium3 fyi
[04:05] <ells> Broncho, yeap, I can burn dvd material, but not able to play it in my dvd player
[04:05] <Broncho> what type of dvd playter?
[04:05] <Hell-Razor> diego: i run a amd 64(but not gunna use 64bit installation) 3700+ pc4400 1 gig ddr2 ram
[04:05] <fr500> hmmm
[04:05] <fr500> noone?
[04:05] <knucks> Andrewski: got it
[04:05] <knucks> thanks
[04:05] <avirox> cocol didnt work
[04:05] <avirox> :/
[04:05] <calc> good waste of processor power running i386 on an amd64 :)
[04:05] <avirox> I'm still stuck in text mode
[04:05] <diego> Hell-Razor: should be about half a second by my calculations
[04:05] <ells> anyone have experience with copying your average video dvds
[04:05] <diego> heh
[04:05] <Hell-Razor> calc: yea but 32bit emulation totaly BLOWS so far
[04:05] <avirox> or whatever the hell it is
[04:05] <diego> or maybe 20-30 minutes
[04:06] <errr> ells: I use k3b for doing it
[04:06] <calc> Hell-Razor: works fine if you know what you are doing :)
[04:06] <OddAbe19> has anyone experienced a 'super applications' menu in Hoary? it seems like my Debian merged with all other menus
[04:06] <knucks> hm this is weird
[04:06] <knucks> i cant seem to close limewire
[04:06] <johnnybezak> hey guys
[04:06] <knucks> but itsnot listed
[04:06] <calc> and so far i have only needed it once
[04:06] <Hell-Razor> calc: hrm really? people told me not to do it cause its hella pain
[04:06] <andrewski> knucks: no problem; i don't really use it (prefer kill(all)), but it's nice to have around
[04:06] <hayden> has anyone got a link on how to get mplayer working in warty
[04:06] <calc> Hell-Razor: there is very little need for 32bit support
[04:06] <andrewski> knucks: try `killall -9 limewire`
[04:06] <Hell-Razor> calc: gaming
[04:06] <tims> calc: true, but honestly it's decently fast anyway
[04:06] <fr500> hayden, it works, in command line mode
[04:06] <calc> i only used it for tracking down compiler issues
[04:06] <errr> with an ATI radeon 7500 any ideas why Xorg would lock up with mouse movement
[04:06] <knucks> no process killed..
[04:06] <fr500> hayden, you have to get source for it to have a gui
[04:06] <knucks> but its sitting in the bottom bar :/
[04:07] <hayden> yea
[04:07] <calc> tims: well amd64 arch is much faster when not running in i386 mode
[04:07] <hayden> need to add mirilliat to sources list
[04:07] <calc> at least the athlon chips are, i hear the prescotts are actually slower most of the time
[04:07] <fr500> oh whats that
[04:07] <andrewski> knucks: hmm.  i've heard bad things about it... in general.
[04:07] <fr500> where can i find those repos
[04:07] <OddAbe19> has anyone experienced a 'super applications' menu in Hoary? it seems like my Debian merged with all other menus
[04:07] <hayden> but i dont know the exact address or something
[04:07] <cocol> avirox, :(
[04:07] <fr500> hayden i built from source, no big deal
[04:08] <knucks> eh ill end up turning off my pc for tonigh ti guess
[04:08] <avirox> can anyone else help me? I'm stuck in a bash text-only console, and even when i reboot that's all i see. startx gets me "command not found" =/
[04:08] <errr> avirox: install an xserver
[04:08] <hayden> ok
[04:08] <errr> with an ATI radeon 7500 any ideas why Xorg would lock up with mouse movement
[04:09] <avirox> errr how?
[04:09] <errr> man apt-get
[04:09] <Xappe> avirox, warty or hoary?
[04:09] <avirox> hoary
[04:09] <IRCMonkey> Anyone know about Ubuntu support for winmodems?  Specifically, a D-Link DFM-5621S HSFi PCI (according to winxp).
[04:09] <hayden> fr500, i found the website http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=18443&highlight=mplayer
[04:09] <Xappe> avirox, apt-get install xserver-xorg
[04:09] <diego> IRCMonkey: get off dial-up :)
[04:09] <Xappe> avirox, use sudo
[04:10] <fr500> hayden, thanks
[04:10] <hyphen> In case anyone wants to know, diego = god.  lol, disabling the ipv6 fixed my entire problem
[04:10] <avirox> Xappe can i do that even if i m not connected to the net?
[04:10] <errr> Xappe: should you apt-get build-dep xserver-xorg  first?
[04:10] <diego> hyphen is referring to disabling ipv6 in about:config in firefox
[04:10] <hyphen> yes, indeed
[04:10] <diego> heh
[04:10] <IRCMonkey> yeah,thanks diego.  Seriously though, is it worth even thinking about it?
[04:10] <errr> avirox: no.
[04:11] <Potato-Green> wow
[04:11] <OddAbe19> has anyone experienced a 'super applications' menu in Hoary? it seems like my Debian merged with all other menus
[04:11] <Xappe> avirox, do you have a hoary cd?
[04:11] <avirox> yes
[04:11] <Potato-Green> i like that firefox is installed automatically on warty
[04:11] <diego> IRCMonkey: i'm not sure, i started using linux sometime in the summer and i was on broadband at the time...try appending +linux to your model number and searching google
[04:11] <Xappe> avirox, then you should be able to apt-get from the cd
[04:11] <avirox> ah ok
[04:11] <avirox> thanx
[04:11] <fr500> so noone uses gnomebaker?
[04:11] <avirox> after i do that then what do i do?
[04:11] <avirox> type in "startx" ?
[04:11] <IRCMonkey> cheers diego
[04:12] <Xappe> avirox, probably
[04:12] <avirox> heh k
[04:12] <avirox> thx
[04:12] <diego> avirox: is gnome installed?
[04:13] <knucks> aight good night everyone
[04:13] <avirox> diego i think so
[04:13] <avirox> i got into this mess by pressing alt+ctrl+backspace
[04:13] <avirox> (i think)
[04:14] <tims> is there expose for gnome?
[04:14] <OddAbe19> has anyone experienced a 'super applications' menu in Hoary? it seems like my Debian merged with all other menus
[04:14] <Xappe> avirox, ctrl+alt+backspace should just restart x
[04:14] <andrewski> tims: there's a program like it... search expose linux and maybe you'll get it...
[04:15] <hyphen> i've got another question, this is more on personal opinion though
[04:15] <diego> wow my internet just crapped itself for a sec
[04:15] <Potato-Green> can anyone tell me where i can get the wallpaper on baham's post on http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=18430&page=3&pp=10
[04:15] <Potato-Green> ?
[04:15] <johnnybezak> hey guys i've got a bunch of files called like filename.jpg.* how can I change them all to *.jpg (so instead of filename.jpg.1 to 1.jpg etc.)
[04:15] <diego> avirox: did you try a `sudo init 5` ? heh
[04:15] <avirox> Xappe didnt for me hehe
[04:15] <hyphen> what would you folks recommend for running windows apps?
[04:15] <avirox> diego wuzzat?
[04:15] <cocol> OddAbe19, sudo remove xdp?
[04:15] <andrewski> go for it hyphen :)
[04:15] <diego> OddAbe19: if you're talking about Applications -> Debian, i have one of those
[04:15] <johnnybezak> hypen: what do you want to run
[04:15] <hyphen> ive heard of wine, but i'd like to hear what you folks prefer
[04:15] <hyphen> well, mainly my 3d applications
[04:16] <hyphen> maya 6.5 and 3d studio maxc
[04:16] <OddAbe19> i have debian menu, it was fine till about a month ago when it seems like it merged into all other menus
[04:16] <avirox> diego should i use that?
[04:16] <OddAbe19> i have a screenie
[04:16] <fr500> hyphen, windows?
[04:16] <diego> avirox: switch runlevel 5 (5 is gui and stuff)
[04:16] <fr500> xp
[04:16] <hyphen> also photoshop and i'd like to be able to watch my encoded videos
[04:16] <diego> avirox: switch to*
[04:16] <OddAbe19> http://home.comcast.net/~amsilveira/screenie.jpg
[04:16] <johnnybezak> hyphen: give wine a crack
[04:16] <fr500> hyphen, seriously crossover office is nice enough
[04:16] <hyphen> ah
[04:16] <Potato-Green> where can i get themes for ubuntu?
[04:16] <johnnybezak> hyphen: you can probably watch those vids with linuxx
[04:17] <hyphen> ive tried
[04:17] <avirox> diego so i just type that in and i get back? :o
[04:17] <johnnybezak> Potato-Green: gnome-look.org
[04:17] <Potato-Green> thanks
[04:17] <diego> OddAbe19: hmm..sucks...
[04:17] <hyphen> most of them are divx media files
[04:17] <OddAbe19> diego, yeah
[04:17] <diego> avirox: with a bit of luck
[04:17] <avirox> O.o
[04:17] <avirox> k, thanks guys, will try ^^
[04:17] <johnnybezak> hyphen: try installing mplayer, get the extra codecs of f their web page should work fine
[04:17] <Broncho> anyone that can help me with ATI card, it seems to be why my computer is freezing up
[04:17] <hyphen> johnnybezak: got a url for me?
[04:18] <johnnybezak> hyphen: mplayerhq.hu :)
[04:18] <hayden> OddAbe19, what was that dock on the screenshot called?
[04:18] <johnnybezak> hyphen: mplayer is in multiverse though
[04:18] <OddAbe19> not a dock, just a panel
[04:18] <hyphen> in laymen's terms?
[04:18] <OddAbe19> set clear
[04:18] <johnnybezak> hyphen: you'll only need to get the extra codecs
[04:18] <hyphen> oh
[04:18] <diego> hyphen: have you been to http://ubuntuguide.org? it's got a ton of stuff you might want, including divx playback stuff
[04:18] <johnnybezak> hyphen: hehe you can synaptic mpayer
[04:18] <hyphen> oh sweet
[04:19] <fr500> johnnybezak, that version is gui-less
[04:19] <hyphen> im still getting used to synaptic and apt
[04:19] <Hell-Razor> could somebody help me out
[04:19] <johnnybezak> fr500: no it's not
[04:19] <fr500> lol
[04:19] <fr500> yes it is
[04:19] <johnnybezak> fr500: gmplayer
[04:19] <fr500> oh, well that gui is not good for me
[04:19] <Hell-Razor> i downlaoded and burnt the ubuntu cd, buwt when i go to install it it says " this is an un-ubuntu cd please enter it intot he cdrom "
[04:19] <fr500> mplayer has a very nice gui
[04:20] <johnnybezak> fr500: gmplayer is the gui, you can get more skins off freshmeat or the mplayer website
[04:20] <hayden> fr500, is there a way to customize keyboard keys e.g. to turn up the volume using the up arrow etc
[04:20] <diego> Hell-Razor: "when i go to install it"?
[04:20] <hyphen> this has got to be the most informative irc chan i've ever been to, har.
[04:20] <fr500> hayden, not sure, i use xine
[04:20] <hayden> ok
[04:20] <Hell-Razor> diego: auito boot form the cd to install ubuntu
[04:21] <Potato-Green> does anyone know where i can get the wallpaper from -baHam-'s post on http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=18430&page=3&pp=10 ?
[04:21] <Hell-Razor> diego: do i need debian as a base or something then install it?
[04:21] <hyphen> better to give than to recieve :P
[04:21] <andrewski> diego: it's a fun transition. :)
[04:21] <diego> Hell-Razor: uh..no, ubuntu doesn't depend on anything
[04:22] <hayden> is there a list of support wifi cards?
[04:22] <CygnusX1> Is array6??? ready for use?
[04:22] <hayden> supported*
[04:22] <Hell-Razor> diego: well wtf it said that its an un-ubuntu cd
[04:22] <diego> Hell-Razor: are you sure it didn't say "Press enter"? and what is un-ubuntu?
[04:22] <Potato-Green> the wallpaper in this actually - http://img71.exs.cx/img71/3006/Screenshot13.jpg
[04:22] <Potato-Green> anyone know where i can get that?
[04:23] <hyphen> hell-razor did you boot from your cd-rom?
[04:23] <Hell-Razor> diego: yes because it said that i need to delete and mount the cd once again
[04:23] <Hell-Razor> hyphen: yes
[04:23] <diego> Hell-Razor: what's the filename of the iso you burned?
[04:24] <diego> Hell-Razor: also, do you know if you hardware works with linux?
[04:24] <Hell-Razor> diego: warty-realease-install-1386.iso
[04:24] <Hell-Razor> diego: well im running linux right now so yes
[04:24] <fr500> hyphen, very informative, but today noone has helped me on gnomebaker
[04:24] <andrewski> Potato-Green: oh, that's andidas, i think.  i used to have that one...
[04:25] <andrewski> Potato-Green: i've seen that one too; look on forum.xfce.org in the art section; someone posted about icon themes....
[04:25] <hyphen> fr500: ah, i wish i could help.  i'm still trying to get used to using linux
[04:25] <Potato-Green> okay
[04:25] <Potato-Green> thanks
[04:25] <fr500> hyphen, same here
[04:25] <diego> Hell-Razor: interesting
[04:25] <diego> Hell-Razor: so it did that right away or when it was detecting hardware?
[04:26] <andrewski> Potato-Green: sorry i can't be of more help.
[04:26] <Xappe> fr500, i'm using graveman since it's present in the hoary repos (though you have to recompile it for mp3-support)
[04:26] <Hell-Razor> diego: um it was the step afer i selected american english or something like that
[04:26] <fr500> Xappe, thx, gnomebaker burns just fine for data, the problem is the conversion part
[04:26] <carthik> I have a problem with the Keyboard on my laptop, each time I restart X, or the laptop, some keys don't work
[04:26] <fr500> Xappe, i'll give it a try
[04:26] <hyphen> so, what should i use for playing back mp3s?
[04:27] <Xappe> hyphen, xmms maybe?
[04:27] <Potato-Green> naw andrewski you helped alot
[04:27] <diego> i use xmms or beep media player
[04:27] <carthik> To make the keys work again, i have to go to preferences->keyboard and change from 104-key layout to 105-key layout or vice-versa
[04:27] <carthik> why is this so?
[04:27] <hyphen> ah
[04:27] <hyphen> i'll check out xmms
[04:27] <Hell-Razor> diego: i dont know what to do
[04:27] <diego> Hell-Razor: yeah i'm thinking, i'm thinking
[04:27] <fr500> hyphen, try beep-media-player
[04:27] <diego> Hell-Razor: did you verify the checksum of the iso?
[04:28] <fr500> hyphen, is better form an user perspective
[04:28] <fr500> imho
[04:28] <hyphen> ah
[04:28] <hyphen> okay
[04:28] <hyphen> and i'm trying to understand the concept of the repository
[04:28] <fr500> if u need help for wma support tell me
[04:28] <Hell-Razor> diego: nope i did not..dont know how to eather
[04:28] <carthik> Help, anyone - i sure mustn;t be the only one with this wacko keyboard problem?
[04:28] <avirox> g'ah
[04:28] <diego> hyphen: fyi, beep media player is a fork of xmms and they're really bringing it up to date, but it's in sort of early stages
[04:28] <fr500> hyphen, is a place where a lot of packages are located with all the required dependencies
[04:28] <diego> in early stages*
[04:28] <diego> there goes my internet again :(
[04:29] <avirox> i reinstalled xserver-xorg
[04:29] <hyphen> ah
[04:29] <avirox> then typed in "Startx"
[04:29] <avirox> still bad command :/
[04:29] <hyphen> oh
[04:29] <diego> Hell-Razor: ok, where you downloaded the iso, try to find an md5sum..(a 32-character long string of hex)
[04:29] <JDahl> the default fonts in Hoary are too big for my liking... normally I would just manually swap the 100dpi and 75dpi lines in xorg.conf... is there configuration I should use instead?
[04:29] <diego> avirox: startx, not Startx
[04:30] <fr500> hyphen, the idea is resolving dependencies for you
[04:30] <diego> JDahl: yeah, preferences -> font
[04:30] <avirox> i did it lowercase
[04:30] <hyphen> hrmm
[04:30] <fr500> a major turndown for me was looking around for dependencies
[04:30] <diego> JDahl: (under details, at the top)
[04:30] <fr500> and compiling and installing them
[04:30] <hyphen> ah
[04:30] <Hell-Razor> diego...and how the hell would i do that
[04:30] <hyphen> so where are all of these files stored?
[04:31] <hyphen> some universal ubuntu server or something?
[04:31] <JDahl> diego, cool... thanks
[04:31] <diego> Hell-Razor: if you look on http://ubuntu.hands.com/releases/4.10/ there's an md5sums file you can get
[04:31] <avirox> diego is there a folder i should be in when i execuse startx?
[04:31] <fr500> hyphen, the repositories have their servers and mirrors i think
[04:31] <diego> avirox: no
[04:32] <hyphen> ah
[04:32] <hyphen> that's such a gnarly concept
[04:32] <fr500> hyphen, the magic of open source, everyone tries to help
[04:32] <hyphen> yeah i noticed, and i love it
[04:32] <fr500> i have a very nice desktop now
[04:32] <avirox> diego: any other things i might try?
[04:32] <Hell-Razor> diego: oh sorry the linux i have right now has a md5sum...im checking it wirhgt now
[04:32] <fr500> and i'm building 2 "embedded" ubuntu pcs
[04:33] <avirox> i tried "sudo init 5" but it just said "sent TERM" and 2 other command
[04:33] <avirox> s
[04:33] <fr500> 1. ubuntu media center
[04:33] <avirox> then nothing
[04:33] <hayden> lol
[04:33] <Hell-Razor> diego: a491903a2d2197651864dec3836d85e0  /home/justin/warty-release-install-i386.iso
[04:33] <diego> Hell-Razor: well you need to check the file, and that'll give you along string of hex, then you make sure it's the right string
[04:33] <fr500> 2. ubuntu navigation system for a raid i'm gonna participate in
[04:33] <hayden> fr500, u mean ubuntu media center 2005 professional xp edition?
[04:34] <fr500> hayden, my idea is ubuntu media center + wifi access point/ics router
[04:34] <diego> Hell-Razor: yeah it's right
[04:34] <fr500> hehe
[04:34] <tsume> ubuntu is based off debian yes?
[04:34] <johnnybezak> yep
[04:34] <tsume> is ubuntu good for developers?
[04:34] <diego> Hell-Razor: now i'm stumped
[04:34] <diego> tsume: it is based off debian
[04:34] <diego> tsume: what kind of development?
[04:34] <tsume> I'm wanting a linux that "just works", but also want to make sure its easy
[04:34] <tsume> diego: C/C++ work
[04:34] <fr500> hayden, it's almost done now, except the case
[04:34] <Hell-Razor> diego: lemme try this again if it doesnt workt hen im going to download the 64bit one...which i dont really want to do
[04:34] <tsume> diego: networking systems, etc
[04:34] <hayden> ahh yea
[04:35] <fr500> a carpenter is doing an ubuntu shaped box for my via board
[04:35] <hayden> lol
[04:35] <tsume> I haven't been in the linux community in a _long_ time
[04:35] <diego> tsume: i think ubuntu fits your match, be sure to get the build-essential package for gcc and all that good stuff
[04:35] <hayden> that'll be pretty sweet
[04:35] <tsume> diego: what about gcc?
[04:35] <Zugot> how do i install the 686 version of 2.6.10-4 kernel?
[04:35] <hayden> you'll have to post photos on the ubuntu forums or something fr500
[04:35] <fr500> sometime when it's done i will
[04:35] <tsume> diego: do they have the latest builds every so often besides 6 months?
[04:35] <diego> tsume: build-essential is a package that depends on gcc and a few other things that you'll certainly find useful as a c/c++ dev
[04:36] <tsume> diego: features are also my thing(tm)
[04:36] <fr500> i'm worried aa bit about cooling, wood gets on fire rather easily
[04:36] <johnnybezak> tsume: yep you can be bleeding edge if you want
[04:36] <fr500> so i'll have to do a metal inner case or something
[04:36] <johnnybezak> fr500: haha
[04:36] <hayden> lol yea
[04:36] <Potato-Green> can anyone help me install gdesklets?
[04:36] <diego> tsume: there's the unofficial backports project if you want something newer without stepping up to the development release
[04:36] <tsume> diego: is propolice in gcc?
[04:36] <avirox> anyone else have any ideas?
[04:36] <Potato-Green> ive got the terminal up
[04:36] <Potato-Green> and im in the folder for gdesklets
[04:36] <tsume> also known as ssp
[04:36] <diego> tsume: the next release is coming up in early april though so it's not far away
[04:36] <Potato-Green> and i run ./configure
[04:37] <fr500> still waiting for my warty cds for "mass production" though
[04:37] <fr500> :o
[04:37] <Zugot> how do i tell which package owns a file?
[04:37] <Potato-Green> and it tells me i have no acceptable c compiler
[04:37] <tsume> why should I choose ubuntu over a different distro?
[04:37] <johnnybezak> Potatato-Green: you need gcc
[04:37] <Potato-Green> gcc?
[04:37] <tsume> like ie redhat, mandrake, commercial.
[04:37] <fr500> tsume, it's too damn cool
[04:37] <eyequeue> Zugot:  dpkg -S /path/to/file
[04:37] <johnnybezak> gnu compiler
[04:37] <diego> tsume: are those programs?
[04:37] <avirox> diego, well thanx anyhow
[04:37] <Potato-Green> and
[04:37] <Potato-Green> *ah
[04:37] <Potato-Green> okay
[04:37] <diego> avirox: yeah sorry i'm not of much help to ya
[04:37] <avirox> heh sok
[04:38] <avirox> btw
[04:38] <tsume> diego: ssp(propolice) is a buffer overflow checker system integrated in gcc
[04:38] <johnnybezak> cos ubuntu has a future
[04:38] <avirox> does that init 5 command reboot?
[04:38] <fr500> tsume, it's free, has great support (here) a great community, great repositories, is very stable and it's fast for me
[04:38] <avirox> maybe i should give it more time or something
[04:38] <tsume> diego: its from ibm, it would need to be manually added
[04:38] <diego> tsume: i'm not a c/c++ dev myself, do you know how i could check?
[04:38] <tsume> diego: cc -v
[04:38] <johnnybezak> it's free as in freedom
[04:38] <tsume> gcc version 3.4.3 [DragonFly]  (propolice, visibility)
[04:38] <johnnybezak> and beer (d/l or get the cd's from the website)
[04:38] <fr500> and has free cds for you
[04:38] <fr500> !!!
[04:39] <avirox> nite
[04:39] <fr500> will there be hoary cds?
[04:39] <avirox> i guess I'll have to reinstall ubuntu and lose all my data
[04:39] <avirox> :(
[04:39] <diego> tsume: may i /msg that to you?
[04:39] <johnnybezak> fr500: i would assume so
[04:39] <tsume> bsd is a nice OS.. however when I need development tools, its not always for BSD
[04:39] <tsume> diego: sure.
[04:39] <fr500> cool
[04:40] <GammaRay> avirox: why would you need to do that?
[04:40] <tsume> and the fact that dfbsd lacks wchar support eats me alive
[04:40] <fr500> tsume, i think ubuntu is focused as a desktop distro (or at least i  hope that so)
[04:40] <fr500> i like the fact of one 500mb cd havingall the stuff most people need
[04:40] <_phate_> I tried enabling Windows Networking in the Network Settings Applet but it says I need SMB support, how do I get that
[04:40] <fr500> _phate_, synaptic
[04:41] <tsume> fr500: I've a centrino notebook coming in.. and the bsd support isn't exactly there if you know what I mean
[04:41] <johnnybezak> is there a cli rename command or do i have to cp oldname newname
[04:41] <_phate_> fr500: any specifics?
[04:41] <tsume> fr500: bsd is missing the automatic power throttling for the centrino arch.
[04:41] <diego> johnnybezak: you use move (mv)
[04:41] <fr500> _phate_, have u read the unofficial ubuntu guide?
[04:41] <johnnybezak> diego: mv oldname newname?
[04:41] <_phate_> johnnybezak: I use mv oldname newname
[04:41] <diego> johnnybezak: yeah
[04:41] <fr500> tsume, centrinos are cool
[04:41] <johnnybezak> diego: sweet
[04:42] <_phate_> fr500: no
[04:42] <fr500> very fast
[04:42] <GammaRay> johnnybezak: I wrote one... wanna try it?
[04:42] <fr500> and quiet
[04:42] <Potato-Green> lol sorry for being such a noob, but im trying to get GCC so i can install gdesklets
[04:42] <Potato-Green> can anyone please help?
[04:42] <fr500> write /topic and read
[04:42] <fr500> _phate_, it's pretty straightforward
[04:42] <WW> Potato-Green: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[04:42] <Potato-Green> WW...?
[04:42] <eyequeue> Potato-Green:  sudo apt-get install build-essential
[04:43] <WW> Potato-Green: In a terminal, enter that command.
[04:43] <Potato-Green> k
[04:43] <hyphen> hey diego, thanks for that ubuntuguide link
[04:43] <Broncho> would my box complelty lock up becuase I ahve an ATI card?
[04:43] <_phate_> what is Kubuntu?
[04:43] <Potato-Green> thanks WW
[04:43] <eyequeue> phate kde
[04:43] <fr500> _phate_, kde ubuntu
[04:43] <WW> Potato-Green: no problem
[04:43] <Potato-Green> i feel like such a n00b here lol, been on windows forever
[04:43] <diego> hyphen: no problem
[04:44] <fr500> tsume, you could try several
[04:44] <_phate_> fr500: thats sick...
[04:44] <fr500> fc3 was nice for me, until i found this
[04:44] <fr500> _phate_, sick as cool or as bad
[04:44] <_phate_> fr500: bad, ubuntu is the only distro I know of that is specific to Gnome, which I think is better then KDE
[04:45] <tsume> gnome needs a bloat clean up
[04:45] <fr500> _phate_, both have thier pros, i like gnome better
[04:45] <tsume> its a good desktop dont get me wrong. but places in it are.. awekward
[04:45] <fr500> but kde has transparcency and some other cool features
[04:45] <GammaRay> tsume: define bloat
[04:45] <fr500> tsume, hve u tried other distros?
[04:45] <tsume> GammaRay: slowdowns, and glitches
[04:46] <hvelarde> sorry guys... i am new on Linux... i was trying to update my warty installation to hoary and now the x-windows system is not working... when i boot the machine it stays at command line... any idea?
[04:46] <eyequeue> tsume:  happening
[04:46] <togs> I'm getting boot errors after installing on one box and transferrig the drive to the intended box, using "custom-expert" option. Is there a way to do that properly?
[04:46] <WW> I still don't "get" transparency.  Why make the text harder to read?
[04:46] <Potato-Green> WW: pm
[04:46] <tsume> fr500: in the past yes. It was 3 years ago when I just started using BSD only because I had time(tm) to play
[04:46] <_phate_> hvelarde: try running 'init 5'
[04:46] <fr500> oh
[04:46] <diego> hvelarde: talk to avirox lol
[04:46] <tsume> fr500: times have changed I realise, so I must rediscover _again_
[04:47] <tsume> I remember mandrake being good.. and redhat.. etc.. but it seems many politics have happened since I last peeked in the linux world
[04:47] <fr500> tsume, of couse
[04:47] <fr500> i only used redhat too
[04:47] <hvelarde> how can i do that, diego?
[04:47] <tsume> money isn't an issue for me. I can buy linux distros..
[04:47] <GammaRay> tsume: check this out http://codeblogs.ximian.com/blogs/benm/archives/000457.html
[04:48] <eyequeue> tsume:  http://codeblogs.ximian.com/blogs/benm/archives/000457.html
[04:48] <tsume> eyequeue: oh wow.
[04:48] <fr500> tsume, you can try the free flavors an donate too poor people
[04:48] <tsume> eyequeue: this is good news
[04:48] <diego> tsume: install ubuntu. it'll take half an hour, look around, decide for yourself. i find it to be a very good and dependable system, with awesome default packages installed (gnome, openoffice, firefox, gaim, etc)
[04:48] <fr500> :p
[04:48] <Potato-Green> while installing gDesklets i get this error: XML::Parser... configure: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool, any way to fix this?
[04:48] <tsume> diego: I need my centrino laptop first
[04:48] <tsume> I'm making a list yes
[04:48] <_phate_> hvelarde: did you try 'startx'
[04:48] <eyequeue> tsume:  all because you asked ;)
[04:48] <tsume> what I need to figure out is a list first
[04:49] <GammaRay> tsume: you click on his one .. I'm shocked :-P
[04:49] <tsume> then I need to install each by each
[04:49] <tsume> the laptop is the main priority
[04:49] <tsume> I'm hoping to do much traveling
[04:49] <Dull404> is Hoary safe to run, or is should I install warty? for desktop use
[04:50] <diego> Dull404: are you scared when something doesn't work?
[04:50] <hyphen> what's xine-ui?
[04:50] <hyphen> general media player?
[04:50] <diego> hyphen: it's like mplayer
[04:50] <thoreauputic> Potato-Green: you are doing this the hard way - use the package manager. gdesklets is available in the repositories
[04:50] <hyphen> ah
[04:50] <diego> more for movies
[04:50] <Potato-Green> thoreauputic: package manager?
[04:50] <Dull404> diego: not really, as long as its secure
[04:50] <diego> thoreauputic: don't you love people that don't know about apt? lol
[04:50] <Potato-Green> sorry im very new
[04:50] <Fran25> Hi, I need help!! I don't know how to install my router!
[04:50] <hvelarde> _phate_: init 5 doesn't works
[04:51] <hyphen> apt is the greatest creation since sliced bread
[04:51] <diego> Dull404: worried about security? interesting
[04:51] <hyphen> wow
[04:51] <fr500> hyphen, it's like a home theatre
[04:51] <hyphen> ah
[04:51] <hvelarde> startx brought something to the screen, but now the computer is not responding
[04:51] <thoreauputic> Potato-Green: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/
[04:51] <thoreauputic> Potato-Green: and read http://ubuntuguide.org
[04:52] <diego> Dull404: well i'm running hoary right now...have to put up with minor breakage every now and then but the worst thing by far was a breakage of nvidia kernel modules a couple months ago...it was fixed in a day
[04:52] <Fran25> Help! Somebody!!
[04:52] <diego> Fran25: you don't know how to install your router? so you come to a ubuntu channel?
[04:52] <tims> a whole day?
[04:52] <Dull404> diego: hmm... i've only used linux for 1month... maybe its a bad idea anyways
[04:52] <tsume> riddle me this, can I download a type of source for packages from the ubuntu server for building?
[04:53] <tsume> kinda like.. src.rpm?
[04:53] <diego> Dull404: heh, probably. every now and then you need to tweak some option in some config file to get something to work right
[04:53] <thoreauputic> Potato-Green: for the package manager: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[04:53] <tims> dull: I've been using hoary/ubuntu/linux for 5 days
[04:53] <tsume> also... is there a configuration tool for GNOME, like Yast in SuSE?
[04:54] <diego> tsume: to configure what, for example?
[04:54] <diego> tsume: you can apt-get source packages, yes
[04:54] <tsume> and.. what tools allow me to check for updates? What type are they? and will they allow me to see available updates when I'm using the computer?
[04:54] <tsume> hmm
[04:54] <Dull404> diego: im using arch linux right now... so im used to tweaking config files
[04:54] <brainv> hi, i'm having problem install gtk+2.0 in ubuntu, any help is highly appreciated
[04:54] <tsume> diego: is there a up2date type program?
[04:55] <tims> tsume: ubuntu update manager?
[04:55] <diego> tsume: synaptic package manager is a gui tool that can handle updates for you. otherwise `apt-get update; apt-get upgrade` heh
[04:55] <tsume> diego: from what I see. Its between SuSE and ubuntu in my list
[04:55] <Dull404> diego: is mplayer & firestarter out for hoary? if they are avilible for warty then i could go with it
[04:55] <brainv> is theres a way installing gtk+2.0 development?
[04:55] <tsume> diego: can it stay in background so I may see if the updates are good?
[04:55] <diego> tsume: i think there's an update automation tool but i haven't tried it
[04:56] <tsume> diego: like up2date. it turns red if theres an update
[04:56] <tsume> diego: oh.. hmm ok. thats the program I want then.
[04:56] <tsume> hmmmm
[04:56] <tsume> hmm
[04:56] <diego> tsume: Synaptic is just a front-end for apt but the good thing is that it doesn't hide anything from you, you can see the buffer apt-get is working in if you want
[04:56] <thoreauputic> brainv: type apt-cache search gtk + | grep dev
[04:56] <tsume> Doesn't UDontKnow hang around here?
[04:56] <hayden> what packages do i need to run xine?
[04:56] <Levander> Something is screwing up my nameserver during boot.  Something overwrites my /etc/resolv.conf file to remove my local name server, and only use my ISP's.  Any idea what is overwriting this?
[04:57] <diego> tsume: udk as in the freenode guy?
[04:57] <tsume> diego: affirmative
[04:57] <tsume> diego:  I need his cryptofs
[04:57] <thoreauputic> brainv: sorry that gisves a regexp error
[04:57] <fr500> regarding my ubuntu media player wifi access point / router, what would be the best choice for a user, using kernel routing directly or firestarter?
[04:57] <diego> tsume: i don't believe i've ever seen him talk in this channel, try /msg-ing udk
[04:57] <tsume> he made a userland crypto system.
[04:57] <tsume> hmm
[04:57] <Dull404> diego: u can update from warty to hoary right? just apt-get update ?? when they change the repos?
[04:57] <tsume> hes offline :)
[04:58] <_phate_> hvelarde: did you run it with sudo?
[04:58] <thoreauputic> brainv: you need the -dev package, anyway
[04:58] <diego> Dull404: yes. to update from warty to hoary, you change your repo list (/etc/apt/sources.list) to the hoary repo's and then run apt-get upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade. there's a howto on the wiki also
[04:59] <Dull404> diego: ok thanks :)
[05:00] <diego> tsume: i don't believe i ever answered your yast question. what does yast do?
[05:00] <diego> i've only ever used suse for like 10 minutes
[05:01] <tsume> diego: configuration tool
[05:01] <diego> tsume: configures what?
[05:01] <tsume> diego: the whole system
[05:01] <tsume> from servers, to firewalls
[05:01] <_phate_> YAY! I just got FF 1.0.1 installed as my default browser!
[05:01] <thoreauputic> brainv: you might want to install x-window-system-dev as well, I would guess
[05:01] <_phate_> though I think I might have done some evil things to do it...
[05:02] <tsume> diego: almost forgot, xorg is default?
[05:02] <diego> tsume: oh interesting...ubuntu doesn't really have anything like that, it's a more decentralized approach. maybe because ubuntu doesn't ship with any open ports so you're not expected to be running server software or a firewall
[05:02] <tsume> diego: it configures time, users, etc too
[05:02] <diego> tsume: hoary (to be released in early april) runs xorg. warty is xfree by default
[05:02] <Dull404> can warty or hoary use Debian repos?
[05:02] <tsume> diego: what about devel release?
[05:02] <diego> tsume: there's a user config tool and a time config tool, just not in one place really
[05:02] <Dull404> i like xorg :)
[05:03] <diego> tsume: xorg == devel release
[05:03] <tsume> okay :)
[05:03] <fr500> what is the difference between one xserver and another?
[05:03] <thoreauputic> Dull404: using debian repos is deprecated - and usually unnecessary anyway
[05:03] <diego> Dull404: it's not really recommended to use the debian repos but it will probably work. not getting any help from me on that though :P
[05:03] <tsume> I can't use source build systems like bsd or gentoo anymore.. I don't have a million years to waste
[05:03] <brainv> whats the difference bet warth and hoary
[05:04] <thoreauputic> hoary is the development branch
[05:04] <kayali> tsume: exactly my thoughts right now :)
[05:04] <johnnybezak> when i used gentoo i can't remember building source being a pain at all
[05:04] <diego> tsume: gentoo is what i come from for that exact reason. i found that though i'm lacking USE flags, apt is a good (and FAST) replacement
[05:04] <johnnybezak> once id built kde and oo.o
[05:04] <thoreauputic> will be released as the new "stable" in april
[05:04] <Levander> fr500, for all I know the diff between x.org and xfree is that xfree did something with their licensing open source ppl didn't like, so x.org was created using the old X license
[05:04] <Levander> fr500, something like that, there was a story on arstechnica about it
[05:04] <Dull404> thoreauputic: but debian has 16.000 packages ;) i figured ubuntu packages are re-compiled debians ......
[05:04] <_phate_> can I get the optimized i686 kernel by just running 'sudo apt-get install linux-i686'?
[05:04] <johnnybezak> fr500: the licensing was the straw that broke the camels back
[05:04] <fr500> ok
[05:05] <johnnybezak> fr500: development had been slow, and there were personality conflicts with the dev's on xfree86
[05:05] <HrdwrBoB> Dull404: it's not quite that sumple
[05:05] <thoreauputic> Dull404: you *can* use debian repos - but things might break in unexprected ways
[05:05] <HrdwrBoB> simple
[05:05] <Dull404> thoreauputic: im not sure wich to get, debian or ubuntu... both seems good.......
[05:05] <_phate_> X.org was created before the license snafu of Xfree86
[05:05] <diego> Dull404: the universe repository provides almost all of those packages. right now i have hoary repos + merillat and i have 16375 packages available
[05:05] <Levander> _phate_, pretty much that's what I did.  I read a few howto's though, upgrading kernel scares me
[05:06] <diego> Dull404: debian releases are very questionable...
[05:06] <jeff_> how do i fix broken packages
[05:06] <thoreauputic> Dull404: both *are* good ;)
[05:06] <johnnybezak> fr500: now x.org is getting sweet things like the transparency and drop shadows :)
[05:06] <Levander> _phate_, basically, what was that snafu, i forget
[05:06] <kayali> what is a good GUI cd burning program for gnome?
[05:06] <zenrox> graveman
[05:06] <thoreauputic> Dull404: ubuntu is probably a bit "easier"
[05:06] <Dull404> HrdwrBoB: i thiught since ubuntu is based on debian..... they should have the same "linux-base" .....
[05:06] <fr500> what do we have by default
[05:06] <_phate_> Levander: something about binary distros and source
[05:06] <johnnybezak> kayali: don't know but k3b is a good qt program
[05:06] <HrdwrBoB> Dull404: yes but the dependancies etc are different
[05:06] <fr500> zenrox, i'm doing heavy tests on gnomebaker
[05:06] <Levander> kayali, i heard graveyard was good, never used myself
[05:06] <Dull404> thoreauputic: oki
[05:06] <fr500> for data cds its great
[05:07] <HrdwrBoB> Dull404: it should work for the most part, but no-one will help you
[05:07] <zenrox> fr500,  i have that installed as well graveman does work with my cd-rw drive
[05:07] <fr500> johnnybezak, what do we have in warty?
[05:07] <Levander> dull404, ubuntu does a lot of qa of the debian unstable branch, ubuntu basically tries to make debian unstable stable enough so that people won't have so many problems with it
[05:07] <Dull404> HrdwrBoB: ah ok. no im not going to use debian repos, i just wanted to know the difference :)
[05:07] <zenrox> fr500, bolh love it
[05:08] <kayali> I think I'm gonna quit gentoo for ubuntu on my ibook ......... hoary seems a good desktop os, only the lack of java scares me. also, is it possible to install apache + php on ubuntu (using ubuntu packages I mean)
[05:08] <HrdwrBoB> Dull404: ah :)
[05:08] <diego> Dull404: i'd say the main difference with ubuntu and debian right now is ubuntu's bi-annual releases
[05:08] <Dull404> Levander: i've heard Ubuntu uses most packages from Sid
[05:08] <thoreauputic> kayali: yes
[05:08] <johnnybezak> fr500: in warty xfree, hoary x.org
[05:08] <fr500> ok
[05:08] <diego> but i've never used debian itself (though i've used ubuntu and knoppix)
[05:08] <Levander> kayali, i did w apache2 and php4 on ubuntu - hoary should include php5 package
[05:08] <johnnybezak> (by default)
[05:08] <ells> anyone know how to combine vob fiels to make a playable dvd for my home player
[05:08] <zenrox> kayali,  read www.ubuntuguide.org for installing java apache etc....
[05:08] <Dull404> diego: true, last stable release of debian was in 2002 (!) :S
[05:08] <thoreauputic> kayali: for instructions on java see ubuntuguide.org
[05:09] <diego> Dull404: isn't that almost as bad as xp? haha
[05:09] <Levander> dull404, didn't know that, thought it was mainly unstable aka sarge
[05:09] <kayali> thoreauputic: ok, I hope they have a 'java on ppc' guide too ;)
[05:09] <Dull404> diego: hehe, yeah but its because sarge is too stable... it should be out long time ago ;)
[05:09] <thoreauputic> kayali: ah, that I don't know...
[05:09] <fr500> kayali, should be pretty similar i guess
[05:10] <zenrox> kayali,  you can find that stuff on www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki
[05:10] <ells> anyone know how to combine vob files to make a playable dvd for my home player
[05:10] <johnnybezak> hey guys i want to rename a bunch of files without doing it individually, i need to remove some numbers at the end of the filename, anyone got any ideas (ex. image.jpg.1 to image1.jpg
[05:10] <diego> Dull404: what's the problem with it anyway?
[05:10] <johnnybezak> )
[05:10] <Dull404> Levander: Sarge is stable.. but not "officially" stable
[05:10] <kayali> downloading hoary right now :)
[05:10] <Dull404> diego: with?
[05:10] <GFXstyLER> hi
[05:10] <diego> johnnybezak: you'd have to do some regular expressions i think, hope you know how and good luck. /me runs away
[05:10] <stazich> how to download Hoary?
[05:11] <diego> Dull404: releasing sarge?
[05:11] <Levander> johnnybezak, for i in `ls *.[1234] ` ; do mv $i `basename $i .[1234] ` ; done - that's basically it
[05:11] <ells> anyone know how to combine vob files to make a playable dvd for my home player
[05:11] <johnnybezak> diego: haha yeah i know I will i was hoping someone here could help me out
[05:11] <diego> stazich: go to the download link at ubuntulinux.rog
[05:11] <diego> stazich: org*
[05:11] <Potato-Green> does anyone here have gdesklets installed?
[05:11] <Dull404> stazich: look on distrowatch.com they have a link
[05:11] <Levander> johnny, that's bash syntax
[05:11] <thoreauputic> johnnybezak: you could try asking in #bash
[05:11] <johnnybezak> Levander: can you explain what the for i in does? i see it all the time in bash scripts
[05:11] <zenrox> stazich,  check out the www.ubuntuforums.org and search for hoary install
[05:11] <GFXstyLER> why is my system randomly slow after upgrading to hoary?
[05:12] <Dull404> diego: i dunno.... 1000 people who cant decide if its stable or not i'd guess
[05:12] <ells> anyone know how to combine vob files to make a playable dvd for my home player
[05:12] <johnnybezak> GFXstyLER: type top when its slow to see whats using the cpu up
[05:12] <Potato-Green> ells
[05:12] <zenrox> Potato-Green,  what are you trying to run the gdesklets on
[05:12] <Potato-Green> you dont combine vob files
[05:12] <ells> Potato-Green
[05:12] <ells> yes
[05:12] <Potato-Green> ubuntu
[05:12] <diego> GFXstyLER: cpu throttling?
[05:12] <Potato-Green> i burn my own dvds, you dont combine them
[05:12] <ells> Potato-Green, I want to copy a dvd
[05:12] <GFXstyLER> the cpu is always at 1% thats why iam wondering
[05:12] <Potato-Green> yeah
[05:12] <ells> Potato-Green, school me then
[05:12] <Potato-Green> ive dont it on windows, and u just copy the iso and burn
[05:13] <Levander> johnny, try in #bash also, but for does a loop.  For each value in the list, for sets i to the value and runs the commands in the body of the loop.
[05:13] <johnnybezak> GFXstyLER: i wish my cpu was always at 1% too :)
[05:13] <diego> GFXstyLER: add the cpu frequency monitor applet to you panel and watch it.
[05:13] <ells> Potato-Green, okay, did that not working
[05:13] <Potato-Green> zenrox im trying to run gdesklets on my laptop (ubuntu)
[05:13] <johnnybezak> Levander: thanks *gets bash scripting guide out* hehe
[05:13] <GFXstyLER> thanks for the tip diego
[05:13] <Potato-Green> ells
[05:13] <ells> I ripped it using dvdrip and make an iso and burned it, no can do
[05:13] <Potato-Green> ;p;
[05:13] <ells> Potato-Green, yes
[05:13] <Potato-Green> *lol
[05:14] <Potato-Green> you did it wrong
[05:14] <Levander> johnny, it's to much to explain in a busy channel, go to directory.google.com, search in the directory for bash, find the "bash category" in the directory, then look for a tutorial subcategory.  for loops are pretty basic, should find many tutorials that cover it
[05:14] <diego> GFXstyLER: recently mine started behaving badly, found it could be attributed to my cpu being throttled down to 300mhz every now and then heh
[05:14] <ells> Potato-Green, yes, educate me my man
[05:14] <Potato-Green> your burning the video as a iso?
[05:14] <Potato-Green> have u converted to video_ts and audio_ts folder?
[05:14] <ells> well, not sure if i should, have done it though
[05:14] <Dull404> ells: go dvdrhelp.com
[05:14] <Potato-Green> yeah
[05:15] <GFXstyLER> diego: maybe thats the problem, it just happened after installing cpydynd or cpufreqd, but i removed them both and its still slow sometimes
[05:15] <Potato-Green> theyll have more answers there
[05:15] <ells> Dull404, thanks
[05:15] <Dull404> np
[05:15] <Potato-Green> zenrox can u help?
[05:15] <johnnybezak> Levander: yeah its cool I'll just reread the for loops section of the bash scripting guide form tldp.org
[05:15] <diego> GFXstyLER: oh..hmm...look intently at 'top' i guess heh
[05:15] <Dull404> diego: arite then... im going for ubuntu/warty ... :)
[05:16] <Levander> johhnybezak - get a shorter chat name! it's to much to type!! but, cool, tldp is any good? I'm looking for tutorials all the time.
[05:16] <Dull404> Levander: use "Tab" key ;)
[05:16] <Dull404> nick-auto-completetion
[05:16] <Levander> Dull404: ha! that works! thanks!
[05:16] <diego> Dull404: cool, cool
[05:16] <Dull404> <---- cant spell
[05:17] <Levander> Dull404: just auto-completed your name twice!
[05:17] <Dull404> diego: got sick and tired of this Arch Linux.... its i686 optimized, but what the ....
[05:17] <Dull404> Levander: lol
[05:17] <Levander> johnnybezak: found tldp, yeah i used to use that stuff all the time.  The HOWTO's are always to broad and in-depth for what i need.
[05:17] <gfxstyler> diego: found the problem, its maybe Xorg
[05:18] <diego> Dull404: can't say i've tried it, i'm just a linux noob heh
[05:18] <Levander> johnnybezak: i like short tutorials that cover pretty much what i'm trying to do
[05:18] <johnnybezak> Levander: haha yeah the guides are pretty sweet
[05:18] <Potato-Green> anyone here have gdesklets installed?
[05:18] <Levander> johnnybezak: maybe they got better though, haven't used them in years
[05:18] <andrewski> Potato-Green: i have before...
[05:18] <diego> gfxstyler: been too long...are you the guy who was stuck at the command line?
[05:18] <johnnybezak> Levander: haha lucky you, i need big slow with lots of examples :)
[05:18] <Potato-Green> andrewski can i pm?
[05:18] <Dull404> diego: me too ;) even though i've been using puters since '94...
[05:18] <andrewski> Potato-Green: if you must.
[05:18] <gfxstyler> diego: no i was the guy with cpu throttling problems :)
[05:19] <KingTana> Who uses a external hardware modem for linux?
[05:19] <diego> gfxstyler: oh that was like 3 seconds ago
[05:19] <Levander> johnnybezak: u get to a point where basic tutorials are annoying and can't do without intermediate tutorials
[05:19] <johnnybezak> Levander: yeah i know what you mean
[05:19] <Levander> johnnybezak: how long u been playing w computer-geek stuff?
[05:19] <diego> gfxstyler: it was the uncapitalization the through me off i think
[05:19] <Dull404> *gone*
[05:20] <johnnybezak> Levander: when i type in that loop you gave me it says
[05:20] <johnnybezak> mv: `turtleneedscropping.jpg.4' and `turtleneedscropping.jpg.4' are the same file
[05:20] <gfxstyler> diego: yes i thought that this way its easier for all to type
[05:20] <johnnybezak> (does that for .1 .2 and .3 too)
[05:20] <Levander> johnnybezak: i was giving u the idea, it's far from complete
[05:20] <stazich> i have a problem with playback of CDs on my iMac with the warty ubuntu, it has been mentioned on ubuntuforums.org and really noone came up with an answer as to why the CDROM will playback but give NO SOUND while all other media plays fine... i was wondering if any of you had a similar problem here, or maybe know of a way to fix... someone suggested to upgrade to hoary... is it worthwile?
[05:21] <calc> stazich: it might not have a physical audio cable
[05:21] <johnnybezak> Levander: ok I'll go see if I can work it out :) tahnks for your help
[05:21] <ells> Dull404, all it talks about is windows stuff
[05:21] <stazich> calc- worked fine under OS9...
[05:21] <Levander> johnnybezak: , answer the chat I just sent u
[05:21] <thoreauputic> stazich: you ned to enable digital play
[05:22] <diego> stazich: it might HAVE a sound cable. lol
[05:22] <thoreauputic> stazich: the default cd player won't do it
[05:22] <calc> stazich: well of course it would, doesn't mean they are doing regular audio playback :)
[05:22] <gfxstyler> stazich: did you look at your audio settings for the cdrom volume?
[05:22] <stazich> hows that done?? u mean digital playback in XMMS as opposed to ANALOGUE?? what about other cdplayer apps??
[05:22] <calc> stazich: aiui macos along with windows xp can rip to the audio device, iow you don't need an audio cable but it uses more cpu to do it
[05:22] <johnnybezak> Levander: i don't know how to ive just started using irssi
[05:22] <thoreauputic> the iBook uses digital
[05:22] <johnnybezak> i'll launch xchat
[05:22] <diego> well i no longer serve a purpose here, peace all
[05:22] <stazich> gfx ... how do i d that?
[05:22] <JordanAU> Hello, I am cleaning off space on my hard drive to install ubuntu for the first time
[05:23] <gfxstyler> diego: peace
[05:23] <Levander> johnnybezak: ha, u to much, i just started an empty channel called notta, join that channel
[05:23] <thoreauputic> stazich: xmms or beep-media-player
[05:23] <stazich> il try now
[05:23] <calc> most cd player apps just tell the cd player to play the audio and assume the hardware has been designed properly for the audio to be heard by default
[05:23] <thoreauputic> stazich: configure the audio cd plugin
[05:23] <kayali> is there a web interface where I can see the packages available in the repositories? (like packages.debian.org)
[05:23] <JordanAU> i have been spending some time reading up on linux and i have a partitioning question
[05:23] <stazich> so does it mean imacs do not have direct cable from cd player to sndcard?
[05:23] <stazich> ive never taken 1 apart ;-)
[05:23] <calc> stazich: yes most likely it has no cable
[05:24] <JordanAU> should i partition anything more than 1 partition and a swap or should i sererate my root etc
[05:24] <gfxstyler> stazich: if you open the volume control you can set the volume of "CD", i dont know if thats what you are looking for but maybe it helps
[05:24] <thoreauputic> stazich: quite likely
[05:24] <JordanAU> sererate/seperate
[05:25] <bzbb> what do I need to watch a dvd?
[05:25] <crimsun> bzbb: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:25] <JordanAU> what is a recommended partitioning scheme for ubuntu?
[05:26] <crimsun> JordanAU: the default is fine unless you wish to exercise more control and/or have specific requirements
[05:26] <JordanAU> okay since this is my first time to seriously be using linux i will go default and adjust later if i really need to
[05:26] <gfxstyler> i have 100mb /boot, 512mb swap and 79gb /
[05:27] <stazich> hehe - digital audio playback works ;-)) thx guys... what about cable? i mean can i put it in ther somehow? i dont wanna run cd through digital playback if i can do it directly thru analogue taking less resources up
[05:27] <crimsun> 100 MB is _huge_ for /boot
[05:27] <JordanAU> gfxstyler: how much ram do youy have?
[05:27] <gfxstyler> 512
[05:27] <_phate_> gfxstyler: /boot should be around 32MB
[05:27] <JordanAU> i have heard something about doubling what you actually have i have 512 should i do a gig or 512
[05:27] <gfxstyler> i wasnt sure if 30mb for boot was enough, so i took 100
[05:28] <crimsun> gfxstyler: 30 MB is more than enough
[05:28] <calc> my boot is 20M and i have 3 kernels in it
[05:28] <_phate_> JordanAU: if you have the space go with a gig
[05:28] <calc> er my boot is taking 20M i meant to say
[05:28] <calc> i just have it on my / partition
[05:28] <JordanAU> okay i will have some 80 gig so i guess i will go for it
[05:28] <hayden> i have a cd-rw/dvd-rom drive, how can i set symbolic link /dev/dvd pointing to my cdrom drive?
[05:28] <crimsun> hayden: it should already exist when you boot
[05:28] <crimsun> hayden: rather, _after_ you finish booting
[05:28] <_phate_> gfxstyler: not really I made a similar mistake when I first started with linux
[05:28] <JordanAU> i am leaving windows on for halflife 2 any advice there?
[05:28] <hayden> hmm
[05:29] <clopsy> am trying to get XP to find shares on Ubuntu pc, can read everything except a FAT32 share--help?
[05:29] <_phate_> JordanAU: Yes, get an Xbox and play Halo 2
[05:29] <hayden> i just started gxine, and was going thru the wizard that appeared
[05:29] <crimsun> JordanAU: you could also use wine or cedega to play it in Linux if you have an Nvidia or an ATI graphics card
[05:29] <JordanAU> _phate_: ....
[05:29] <JDahl> hayden, with udev you cannot manually populate /dev (I beleive)
[05:29] <_phate_> JordanAU: Or get Transgaming Cedega
[05:29] <hayden> hmm ok
[05:30] <JordanAU> yeah i figure if i payed 100 bucks for windows already i should't be paying 5 bucks a month for not 100% supported steam
[05:30] <_phate_> JordanAU: its a DirectX Wine thingee
[05:30] <togs> I'm getting boot errors after installing on one box and transferrig the drive to the intended box, using "custom-expert" option. Is there a way to do that properly?
[05:30] <JordanAU> yeah it costs money too
[05:31] <JordanAU> Last question, should it pick up my wifi pretty easily?? the live CD didn't
[05:31] <_phate_> JordanAU: whats your wireless card
[05:31] <gfxstyler> are xfce 4.0 - xfce 4.2 pretty much the same or are there serious updates/changes? hoary only has xfce 4.0
[05:32] <crimsun> gfxstyler: 4.2 has some rather invasive updates
[05:32] <JordanAU> _phate_: I have a linksys wireless g
[05:32] <JordanAU> i will get you the model number if you need it
[05:32] <JordanAU> it is PCI
[05:32] <andrewski> gfxstyler: big changes.
[05:32] <andrewski> gfxstyler: os-works.com :)
[05:33] <gfxstyler> ok then i will try to get xfce 4.2 :) thanks
[05:33] <andrewski> gfxstyler: that site has a repository for the latest packages.  maintained by one of the devs. 8)
[05:34] <stazich> hey guys, how can i mount a netwrk folder smb://mars/My%20Music to my linux mount folder??
[05:34] <bur[n] er> crimsun: invasive?
[05:34] <_phate_> I dunno what the linksys uses... hum agere?
[05:34] <bur[n] er> stazich: mount -t smbfs
[05:34] <bur[n] er> stazich: or use the 'connect to server' thing
[05:35] <JordanAU> Update: I am burning ubuntu, I am presently using gaim, hopefully in about an hour i will be talking to y'all in XCHAT
[05:35] <crimsun> bur[n] er: as in lots of changes that require merging/tweaking to work with Ubuntu
[05:35] <JordanAU> on ubuntu
[05:35] <andrewski> yay.
[05:36] <bur[n] er> crimsun: but lots of 'great' changes too :)
[05:36] <stazich> yeah, mount -t smbfs doesnt do anything... do i have top add more?
[05:36] <crimsun> bur[n] er: quite true
[05:36] <bur[n] er> stazich: yes
[05:36] <stazich> which connect tp server thing?
[05:36] <stazich> like?
[05:36] <bur[n] er> stazich: man mount
[05:37] <bur[n] er> or smbmount (and look at what it tells you to do)
[05:37] <bur[n] er> the connect to server thing is in the main menu
[05:38] <clopsy> my problem is similar to stazich's--my XP box can see the shared "home" dir--but can't see "windrive" : which is an older FAT32 harddrive in the Ubuntu box
[05:38] <hyphen> can someone briefly explain what nautilus is?
[05:38] <thoreauputic> stazich: actually he means the "File" menu of nautilus
[05:39] <thoreauputic> hyphen: file manager
[05:39] <Agrajag> it's a graphical file manager for nautilus
[05:39] <Agrajag> er
[05:39] <Agrajag> gnome
[05:39] <hyphen> oh
[05:39] <thoreauputic> hyphen: sort of like windows explorer *shudder*
[05:39] <hyphen> so then running nautilus burn:/// is running burn from nautilus?
[05:40] <thoreauputic> hyphen: gives you a place to drag and drop stuff to burn
[05:40] <raggedgentleman> how do you convert a iso to a bin?
[05:40] <hyphen> ah
[05:40] <raggedgentleman> i only see bin to iso
[05:40] <thoreauputic> hyphen: then you hit the burn icon
[05:40] <raggedgentleman> every where bin to iso
[05:40] <hyphen> ahh
[05:41] <thoreauputic> raggedgentleman: why do you need to convert to bin?
[05:44] <raggedgentleman> to play a game with epsxe
[05:44] <gfxstyler> if i install the composite manager, is it always enabled or can i deactivate it? because i have an ati gfx card
[05:44] <andrewski> gfxstyler: you can disable it.
[05:45] <gfxstyler> andrewski: thanks
[05:45] <andrewski> gfxstyler: once you get it up and running, you have only to comment out the lines in your xorg.conf
[05:45] <raggedgentleman> thoreauputic, i got the iso but the client wont use the iso it only wants a bin
[05:46] <gfxstyler> w00t? xfce installation takes a few hours?
[05:47] <jba> mdz, are you in dude?
[05:47] <ArtVandalae> Hello, I'm trying to help a mate with Ubunutu. He's trying to play an mpg file, but he keeps getting an error, does he need to apt-get a codec pack to play mpgs?
[05:47] <jba> mdz, are you the maintainer of mythtv packages?
[05:47] <mdz> jba: yes
[05:47] <jba> I can't seem to find out what the password of the mythtv user, that the deb created is?
[05:47] <mdz> ArtVandalae: gstreamer0.8-mad
[05:47] <ArtVandalae> Thanks
[05:48] <mdz> jba: there is none; it's locked
[05:48] <gfxstyler> ArtVandaele: totem-xine
[05:48] <jba> mdz, how do i su to it to run the setup apps ?
[05:48] <mdz> sudo -u mythtv mythtv-setup
[05:48] <jba> okay thanks dude
[05:49] <jba> huh?
[05:49] <jba> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[05:49] <jba> Xlib: No protocol specifie
[05:51] <jba> mdz, any tips ?
[05:53] <crimsun> jba: gksudo -u mythtv mythtv-setup
[05:53] <pepsi> what kind of graphics card should i get if i want it to work nicely in linux?
[05:53] <Agrajag> nvidia
[05:53] <Agrajag> anything by nvidia
[05:53] <pepsi> ati stuff doesnt work?
[05:54] <pepsi> or its just picky
[05:54] <jba> crimsun, still no go
[05:54] <tsume> how does ubuntu install files?
[05:54] <tsume> I mean by the hier
[05:54] <tsume> if it installs a package, where does the package go?
[05:54] <crimsun> tsume: come again?
[05:55] <tsume>  /usr, /usr/local?
[05:55] <farruinn> pepsi: there was a thread on ubuntu-users recently about that
[05:55] <thoreauputic> tsume: usually /usr
[05:55] <crimsun> tsume: /usr/local is reserved for system-specific things. Packages should never touch /usr/local
[05:55] <tsume> can software be set as a prefix to go in /usr/local?
[05:55] <tsume> *packages
[05:56] <farruinn> usually /usr/local/ is a sort of "personal" filesystem
[05:56] <crimsun> tsume: again, distro-provided packages should not touch /usr/local
[05:56] <farruinn> but all packages should install elsewhere
[05:57] <tsume> crimsun: the question is though, can they be installed elsewhere?
[05:57] <thoreauputic> tsume: stuff you build yourself (for instance) can be put in /usr/local
[05:57] <crimsun> tsume: certainly, though you should not distribute such packages
[05:58] <farruinn> is this in the debian reference manual?
[05:59] <tsume> soo..
[05:59] <crimsun> farruinn: absolutely: see section 9.1.2
[05:59] <tsume> is the ubuntu install console based?
[06:00] <calc> all dist software belongs in /usr, all user installed software belongs in /usr/local, all third party crap belongs in /opt
[06:00] <raggedgentleman> can i convert a .img to a .bin?
[06:00] <calc> though the difference between user installed and 3rd party is a grey area
[06:00] <kern> Hey, do I need gpm to use my PS/2 and serial mice at the sametime?
[06:00] <crimsun> kern: no
[06:00] <kern> I'm not sure if I even have it configured right
[06:00] <tsume> ubuntu doesn't have a graphical installer does it?
[06:01] <kern> I've got the serial mouse in my XF86Config-4 file, and I have the module loaded.
[06:01] <hayden> has anyone installed engage dock ?\
[06:01] <crimsun> tsume: no
[06:01] <raggedgentleman> thoreauputic, what about .img to .bin?
[06:01] <thoreauputic> raggedgentleman: I don't know, sorry
[06:02] <kern> Anybody know how to get a serial mouse to work?
[06:02] <hayden> crimsun, do u know any mac like docks i can install?
[06:02] <crimsun> hayden: idesk?
[06:03] <crimsun> hayden: not sure what you mean by "docks"
[06:03] <kern> crimsun: Do you know how to get serial mice to work?
[06:03] <crimsun> kern: is it plugged in?
[06:03] <hayden> http://edevelop.org/errand/packages/themes/gant/apps/engage/preview.png
[06:03] <kern> I even loaded Dynebolic to detect my serial mouse to take the stuff from it's XF86Config
[06:03] <kern> crimsun: Yeah.
[06:04] <tsume> crimsun: is the partitioning application easy? ncurses?
[06:04] <tsume> crimsun: I can specify several slices, yes?
[06:04] <kern> Dynebolic detects my serial mouse at boot so I loaded that and copied the data from the XF86Config into Ubuntu, no luck there.
[06:04] <thoreauputic> tsume: you can choose manual partitioning
[06:04] <crimsun> tsume: there's not really an equivalent of bsd slices, but yes, you can manually partition
[06:04] <tsume> hmm
[06:05] <tsume> crimsun: erm oops. Sorry, I keep using bsd based words :)
[06:05] <tsume> Its been 3 years since I used linux
[06:08] <mrproper> Are there Ubuntu deb's for Mono 1.1.latest?
[06:08] <crimsun> mrproper: no
[06:08] <mrproper> k
[06:18] <R0bNyc> I'm trying to get kernel 2.6.11 -k7 since I have a athlon xp-m laptop, but I dont know what to get the source, the headers, the image etc?
[06:19] <R0bNyc> theres linux-tree, linux-source, linux-image, and linux-headres
[06:19] <zenrox> linux-image-k7
[06:19] <zenrox> something like that
[06:19] <azriel0184> R0bNyc, linux-images
[06:20] <azriel0184> linux-image-k7 for an amd
[06:20] <hayden> does anyone know how to install a mac-like dock for ubuntu?
[06:20] <zenrox> and souce and headers and tree all same k7 revision
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[06:20] <R0bNyc> azriel0184, thanks
[06:20] <zenrox> damn spammer
[06:20] <R0bNyc> i dont need to compile for it to work with all my hardware like my current 2.6.10 kernel?
[06:21] <R0bNyc> I'm using Hoary ARray 6 btw
[06:21] <zenrox> R0bNyc,  nope
[06:21] <azriel0184> if you needed to recompile it for 2.6.10 then maybe
[06:21] <R0bNyc> zenrox, thanks Ill try again
[06:21] <R0bNyc> no i didnt recompile
[06:22] <Kern> Anybody know how to get a serial mouse to work?
[06:22] <Kern> I've tried everything.
[06:22] <Kern> That I can think of.
[06:22] <thoreauputic> R0bNyc: the linux-image package should just install (and automatically add itself to the grub bootloader)
[06:22] <zenrox> Kern, try a sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and go tharu that wizared and point it to the location of the serial mouse
[06:23] <Kern> zenrox: I just tried that again, no luck.
[06:23] <thoreauputic> Kern: I killed my serial mouse with a sharp screwdriver and installed a ps2
[06:23] <R0bNyc> thoreauputic, i tried itbefore and it did install and added itself automatically but my mouse or touchpad didnt work and my keyboard either so i couldnt do nothing but shut it off manually and boot into 2.6.10 - i386 (Default)
[06:23] <Kern> I want to beable to use my PS/2 mouse and serial mouse at the sametime.
[06:24] <thoreauputic> R0bNyc: 2.6.11 is kind of on the bleeding edge, you know...
[06:24] <zenrox> kern ps2 usb maby but not serial and ps2
[06:24] <R0bNyc> yea I know and so is hoary
[06:24] <Kern> zenrox: I've used a PS/2 mouse and serial mouse in Dynebolic, which is based on Debian.
[06:24] <Kern> So I know it works.
[06:25] <zenrox> R0bNyc,  id stick with the 2.6.10 kernel  till the 2.6.11 is in better shape
[06:25] <thoreauputic> Kern: I find if I plug in a usb mouse and a ps2 at the same time, both work
[06:25] <hyphen> anyone here installed wine before?
[06:25] <R0bNyc> zenrox, no prob thanks
[06:25] <Kern> thoreauputic: Ok, but I can't use a USB mouse.
[06:25] <zenrox> Kern,  d/l the souce to that Dynebolic progam and compile it your self
[06:26] <Kern> Dynebolic is a Linux distribution.
[06:26] <zenrox> hyphen,  sudo apt-get install wine
[06:26] <Kern> I want to beable to do the same on Ubuntu.
[06:26] <zenrox> Kern,  do you still have an exampole of how that worked in the xfree86 server
[06:26] <Kern> Yeah.
[06:27] <fsc> ok, who's having problem with Totem being so slow?
[06:27] <Kern> I even have the module loaded at boot.
[06:27] <zenrox> look at the differences
[06:27] <hyphen> yeah, i already did that.  and i ./install.sh as well.  just curious as to how i'd go about running win files
[06:27] <fsc> takes forever to startup on a fast machine
[06:27] <zenrox> Kern,  make the aproate changes
[06:27] <Kern> zenrox: I already have. It's in my Ubuntu XF86Config-4
[06:27] <Kern> I'd say everything should be working, but it's not.
[06:27] <zenrox> once done do a alt+ctrl+backspace to restart x
[06:27] <R0bNyc> What is that stuff called that notifies you of software updates for hoary ?
[06:28] <Kern> zenrox: I've done that several times already.
[06:28] <zenrox> kern a good reboot
[06:28] <zenrox> ??
[06:28] <Xirdneh> hyphen, you may try this page is preatty easy to follow http://www.winehq.com/site/download-deb
[06:28] <Kern> zenrox: Yeah.
[06:28] <zenrox> kern ok
[06:28] <hyphen> thanks
[06:28] <Xirdneh> hyphen, np
[06:28] <Kern> It's killing me man.
[06:28] <zenrox> Kern,  i know
[06:28] <Kern> Haha.
[06:29] <hyphen> er actually, i've read through that page already :P  just having a bit of trouble understanding some stuff in the documentation section
[06:29] <zenrox> Kern,  i have 1 prob id like resaulved and it wont be
[06:29] <zenrox> and its killing me
[06:29] <Kern> What is it zenrox?
[06:29] <zenrox> but ill get it to work some day
[06:29] <zenrox> Kern, trust me its hard
[06:29] <zenrox> very hard
[06:30] <zenrox> no one has bine able to fix it 3 chat rooms on this network
[06:30] <zenrox> and others as well
[06:31] <Kern> You can't just bring it up and not give me details zenrox!
[06:31] <zenrox> and its not a ubuntu problam any way
[06:31] <zenrox> dual monters on 2 difernt nvidia cards
[06:31] <Kern> Wow, I'd never even try something like that.
[06:32] <zenrox> fx5200 and a tnt2 (witch is out dated buy the 6629 nvidia driver)
[06:32] <ells> anyone familiar with copying home dvds
[06:32] <Adyeths> is there a services configure program in ubuntu?
[06:32] <Adyeths> like on the default cd install
[06:32] <ells> I ripped a dvd and it produced vob files
[06:32] <andrewski> Adyeths: vim /etc/conf.d/*
[06:32] <andrewski> Adyeths: or, for packages, dpkg-reconfigure package
[06:32] <ells> how can I make those so i can watch them as a regular cd
[06:33] <zenrox> Adyeths,  not on the cd but in the univeres that makes it a simi gui-esh
[06:33] <Adyeths> ok
[06:33] <ells> anyone familiar with copying home dvds
[06:33] <zenrox> dont rember the name tho
[06:33] <raggedgentleman> can i convert a .img to a .bin?
[06:33] <Adyeths> thats what I was wanting, a gui sort of configure util to turn the services on and off. (similar to the tools included in other distros like mandrake for instance)
[06:34] <raggedgentleman> how do you convert a iso to a bin?
[06:34] <zenrox> iso2bin
[06:34] <zenrox> ??
[06:34] <raggedgentleman> i only see bin to iso
[06:34] <zenrox> raggedgentleman,  ya
[06:34] <raggedgentleman> but i want the opposite
[06:34] <zenrox> thats the only way why conver from iso to bin
[06:34] <Adyeths> thanks!
[06:34] <zenrox> iso is easer to burn
[06:34] <raggedgentleman> to play games
[06:35] <zenrox> and still can be mounted in all os's
[06:35] <raggedgentleman> epsxe wants .bin files
[06:35] <zenrox> why does it want bin
[06:35] <raggedgentleman> mmmmm yeah maybe ill just mount it and tell it to play off the cd!
[06:35] <zenrox> thats easer
[06:35] <raggedgentleman> yeah! yay! how do you mount an iso?
[06:36] <zenrox> raggedgentleman,  read www.ubuntuguide.org
[06:36] <raggedgentleman> oh shit, =o)
[06:36] <zenrox> tons of other info too
[06:36] <raggedgentleman> hehe and i tell ppl to go there =o) i feel dumb
[06:36] <raggedgentleman> thanks bud
[06:36] <zenrox> lol
[06:37] <raggedgentleman> so the mounted iso will have a file system?
[06:38] <raggedgentleman> it wont be just a iso right
[06:40] <raggedgentleman> cool thanks dude
[06:41] <zenrox> yep it wont
[06:41] <zenrox> it will work basickly like a cdrom
[06:41] <zenrox> or any other mounted media
[06:42] <andrewski> anyone use abcde with flacs?
[06:47] <azriel0184> anyone know how to write an iso to a cd with xcdroast?
[06:51] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[06:51] <da_bon_bon> wazup ?
[06:53] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[06:53] <hayden> does anyone know how to install a mac os x like dock for ubuntu
[06:54] <zenrox> azriel0184,  use gnomebaker or use k3b
[06:54] <hyphen-> can someone recommend me a good .wmv and .avi viewer?
[06:54] <zenrox> hyphen-, gxine
[06:55] <azriel0184> is it possible to mount an iso image as a file system?
[06:55] <hyphen-> is that available through apt?
[06:55] <zenrox> azriel0184,  yes read www.ubuntuguide.org
[06:55] <zenrox> hyphen-, you might have to enable extra respoties
[06:56] <hyphen-> ah
[06:56] <hyphen-> i got it, thanks zen
[06:56] <zenrox> hyphen-,  but you can read the wiki on ubuntus webpage
[06:56] <hyphen-> will do
[06:56] <hyphen-> trying to do like 50 things at once
[06:56] <zenrox> lol
[06:56] <hyphen-> still having trouble with WINE too
[06:57] <hyphen-> cant figure out how to configure the damn thing
[06:57] <zenrox> hyphen-,  wine ant the most funnest tang to get worken
[06:57] <da_bon_bon> anyone got vmware running on hoary ?
[06:57] <hyphen-> so i'm learning, lol
[06:57] <thoreauputic> azriel0184: re: burning an iso - you can burn an iso from nautilus by choosing to from the right-click context menu (right click the iso file)
[06:57] <hyphen-> got any suggestions for an emulator?
[06:57] <hayden> does anyone know how to install a mac os x like dock for ubuntu
[06:57] <zenrox> hyphen-,  use snyaptic and search for wine might be extra packages you can install
[06:58] <hyphen-> i tried that.  none that really help
[06:58] <hyphen-> just alpha versions
[06:58] <da_bon_bon> hyphen-: use the sidenet config script
[06:58] <thoreauputic> hayden: please don't repeat
[06:58] <andrewski> hayden: dock?
[06:58] <hyphen-> i'll search for that, thanks  bon bon
[06:58] <hayden> like the one used on mac os x
[06:59] <andrewski> hayden: dock?  (define please; i've never used os x)
[06:59] <zenrox> andrewski,  its like the bar
[06:59] <thoreauputic> hayden: I believe there's a gdesklet that does something like that
[06:59] <andrewski> hayden: ^^
[06:59] <hayden> hmm
[06:59] <farruinn> there is a gdesklet, but it's nothing like os x dock
[06:59] <hyphen-> andrweski:  osx has a small toolbar with icons that enlarge as your mouseover
[06:59] <andrewski> hayden: that's what i was going to say.  starterbar, it's called.
[06:59] <hyphen-> sort of like a magnifying glass
[06:59] <hayden> ok
[07:00] <andrewski> hyphen-: yup, starterbar is like it.
[07:00] <andrewski> farruinn: "nothing like"?
[07:00] <farruinn> hayden: what about that enlightenment thing you threw a link out for earlier?
[07:00] <hayden> yea
[07:00] <farruinn> andrewski: in terms of functionality
[07:00] <hayden> i haven't found a way to install it
[07:00] <farruinn> andrewski: personally, I'd rather just use another gnome panel than the gdesklet thing
[07:01] <andrewski> farruinn: well, i don't find it very useful, but it's a bit of eyecandy i guess.
[07:01] <azriel0184> thoreauputic, yes, i did that already. :)
[07:01] <farruinn> exactly =)
[07:02] <farruinn> hayden: btw, that link prompted me to install enlightenment, and I must say, it's pretty spiffy
[07:02] <hayden> yea it looks pretty good from what i've seen
[07:02] <hayden> but i have no idea on how to install it
[07:02] <andrewski> farruinn: the ubuntu one, or the latest, e17?
[07:03] <farruinn> andrewski: backported it from hoary
[07:03] <da_bon_bon> hey, am i alive ?
[07:03] <andrewski> farruinn: ah, ok.  i hear there's a new one coming out soon that's supposed to be much better than the current version.  i find it a bit ugly, actually.
[07:04] <farruinn> andrewski: there are tons of themes though, right?  I kind of like the brushed-metal-blue
[07:04] <revildab> i installede16 just the other night, but it had no programs listed in the menu. i couldnt even load up a shell
[07:04] <farruinn> revildab: you might need menu-xdg or something installed
[07:04] <andrewski> farruinn: yeah, i didn't like the fonts; if i could select my own, i'd probably like it better. :)
[07:04] <revildab> hmm, alright farruinn ill try that, thanks
[07:05] <hayden> farruinn, how can i install the enlightenment thing?
[07:05] <andrewski> revildab: i don't think it'll help.
[07:05] <farruinn> whatever the package is that gives you the debian menu is what you want
[07:05] <farruinn> or get the menu editor
[07:05] <helloyo> i'm a long time kde user and have used some very complex heavily modified desktops, and let me tell you that ubuntu with gnome is a welcome change
[07:05] <andrewski> farruinn: i have it for gnome, but e didn't have the menu.
[07:06] <helloyo> especially the fact that i just got a printer working in 20 seconds that refused to work in kde
[07:06] <farruinn> andrewski: control click the desktop
[07:06] <andrewski> farruinn: well, i uninstalled it, i'm jus' sayin'.
[07:06] <thoreauputic> farruinn: the package is called "menu" , amazingly enough (wow, a package name that makes sense...)
[07:06] <thoreauputic> ;-)
[07:06] <farruinn> thoreauputic: awesome! =)
[07:06] <farruinn> andrewski: got it
[07:07] <farruinn> alt+f3 pops up a bubble with lots of hints
[07:08] <farruinn> the problem I'm having is that the menus try to move themselves so they don't go off the screen, unfortunately it doesn't work if the menu is longer than the screen is tall
[07:08] <farruinn> and my "net" submenu is huge
[07:08] <hyphen-> bon bon, i have the sidenet wine config files, what do i do with them?
[07:08] <andrewski> farruinn: hmm, well hopefully e17 will supply for both of us. :)
[07:08] <farruinn> andrewski: yeah, I'm definitely going to have to check it out at some point :D
[07:08] <hyphen-> poop
[07:09] <andrewski> farruinn: i think i'll wait until it comes out.
[07:09] <benh> hrm...
[07:09] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[07:09] <benh> very bad problem
[07:09] <benh> huuuuuge bug
[07:09] <andrewski> hi da_bon_bon
[07:09] <benh> political crisis !
[07:09] <_phate_> how do you tell if DRI is enabled for Xfree86?
[07:09] <benh> there is no Canberra - ACT in the timezone list of the installer :)
[07:10] <benh> no, we aren't in New South Wales !!!!
[07:10] <jdub_> yo i need help
[07:10] <thoreauputic> farruinn: that menu issue is one of my annoyances with E as well - I like the eye candy, but I find it impractical
[07:10] <_phate_> jdub_: What do you need
[07:10] <jdub_> my boy just put linux on my pc but just passed out, im trying to instal lime wire and im lost
[07:10] <helloyo> where does ubuntu get the funding for that free cd scheme (brilliant idea by the way)?
[07:11] <andrewski> good night!
[07:11] <farruinn> andrewski: g'night
[07:12] <jdub_> when i get to the extract part it all goes to hell
[07:12] <farruinn> helloyo: iirc Ubuntu was funded by an independently wealthy man who wanted to make a "better" linux or something
[07:12] <thoreauputic> jdub_: good to see you have your prorities straight ;) Install limewire befor reviving your boy...
[07:12] <hayden> farruinn, how can i install the e dock thiung?
[07:12] <revildab> lol thoreau
[07:12] <jdub_> naw he is good i put him in the tub
[07:13] <farruinn> hayden: looks like you'll have to build it from source
[07:13] <hyphen-> thoreau
[07:13] <jdub_> i cant get java its not there
[07:13] <hyphen-> dont you know that free music is worth the life of your best friend?
[07:13] <farruinn> jdub_: www.ubuntuguide.org is your friend
[07:13] <thoreauputic> hyphen-: ;-)
[07:13] <fsc> helloyo, shuttleworth was the first space tourist. he's funding
[07:13] <jdub_> cool
[07:13] <hayden> ok
[07:13] <hyphen-> yeah i just went through ubuntuguide and it's been a HUUGE help
[07:14] <revildab> shuttleworth? the man has nothing on george soros, although i do love ubuntu
[07:15] <jdub_> cool beans now anyone got any ideas how to mess with someone passes out in a tub off of jack and coke
[07:15] <hyphen-> if this sidenet config works...then i can die a happy man
[07:16] <thoreauputic> jdub_: sudo dpkg-reconfigure boy-consciousness ?
[07:16] <hyphen-> hahah
[07:16] <jdub_> yea
[07:16] <pepsi> which modules do i need to disable for nvidia drivers?
[07:16] <pepsi> glx?
[07:17] <pepsi> do i need to disable any of them?
[07:17] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[07:17] <revildab> super bon bon is a great song, i now dub it your themesong
[07:18] <cjennings> hey bon bon
[07:19] <hyphen-> omg i think i got it to work
[07:19] <thoreauputic> hyphen-: Ok, time to die then....
[07:20] <ells> anyone familiar with copying home dvds
[07:20] <helloyo> ells, yes
[07:20] <da_bon_bon> cjennings: hiya
[07:20] <helloyo> ells, albeit, into xvid
[07:21] <hyphen-> wait, not yet
[07:21] <ells> helloyo, please help
[07:21] <hyphen-> i have to install maya and see if it really works
[07:21] <hyphen-> after that, feel free to kill me
[07:21] <ells> helloyo, i ripped it using dvdrip
[07:21] <da_bon_bon> cjennings: type the first three letters of a persons nick, and press tab. auto complete
[07:21] <ells> how do i copy it to watch on my home player
[07:21] <helloyo> ells, i'm new to ubuntu, but i have used dvdrip a lot
[07:21] <ells> helloyo, cool
[07:21] <thoreauputic> hyphen-: any minute now a dialogue will pop up that says "Fatal Error" ;-)
[07:22] <helloyo> ells, not 100% sure, but i can point you in the right direction
[07:22] <ells> helloyo, okay, how can I make a dvd to watch on my home player using the vobs
[07:22] <hyphen-> if that happens
[07:22] <helloyo> ells, dvds are encrypted with css, so you need that library, but with dvdrip you should already have it. the problem with dvdrip is that it rips titles, not the whole dvd. might be best to copy the whole dvd, and burn that exactly, not sure how this works though sorry
[07:22] <hyphen-> i will have to break open a can of god knows what
[07:22] <hyphen-> on the world
[07:22] <ells> helloyo, I ripped it
[07:23] <helloyo> ells, a lot of dvd players can play vobs if thats how you want to watch it
[07:23] <ells> helloyo, okay, how can I compile it
[07:23] <ells> helloyo, i tried just copying the vobs, that did not work
[07:24] <helloyo> ells? compile? no need to do that
[07:24] <helloyo> can you view the vobs with any media players?
[07:24] <ells> helloyo, when i copied the vobs, that did not work
[07:24] <ells> I can watch them
[07:24] <helloyo> ells, have you tried burning them to dvd and trying that on your player?
[07:24] <hyphen-> maybe someone can help me
[07:25] <helloyo> dodgy, but it might work
[07:25] <ells> helloyo, yeap
[07:25] <hyphen-> when i run the autorun.exe through winelauncher, it loads up
[07:25] <helll> can somebody help me out. I just downoaded and installed the ubuntu linux os, but it will not go past the "Loading grub 1.5" screen after i have rebooted the system from an install
[07:25] <Zaww> hey google www.otomotivshow.com
[07:25] <hyphen-> but when i click "install" it stays idle
[07:26] <thoreauputic> grrr another drive-by spammer
[07:27] <hyphen-> well thoreau, looks like i will die another day
[07:27] <thoreauputic> hyphen-: ah, well, be prepared...
[07:27] <thoreauputic> hehe
[07:27] <hyphen-> har
[07:27] <helll> anybody? help please?
[07:28] <crimsun> helll: more debugging information necessary
[07:29] <helll> well
[07:29] <helll> how can i get more debugging information
[07:29] <helll> it installed sucessfully
[07:29] <crimsun> helll: right. Does it get to Starting Ubuntu... ?
[07:30] <helll> and then it tells me to take the cd out of the cd rom and push ok then it will reboot
[07:30] <helll> no
[07:30] <helll> it gets to this screen
[07:30] <helll> lemme go see exactly wht it says
[07:30] <helloyo> is totem a decent enough movie player to bother fixing? can't get an image up
[07:31] <Amaranth> totem is awesome in its simplicity
[07:31] <helll> "grub stage 1.5"..."Grub loading, Please wait."
[07:31] <helloyo> yeah, thats why i wanted to give it a go
[07:31] <helll> its been like this for ~10 minutes now
[07:31] <helll> ive rebooted
[07:31] <helll> same thing
[07:31] <helloyo> Amaranth, but it won't play anything proprly
[07:32] <crimsun> helll: and what if you choose repair/safe mode?
[07:32] <helll> grub wont boot
[07:32] <Echylo> anybody has experience with dyndns update clients?
[07:33] <helll> it goes through my bios, then to more system information, then the bios hits
[07:33] <helll> err
[07:33] <helll> then grub loads instead of the bios hits
[07:33] <helll> lol
[07:33] <thoreauputic> Echylo: ez-ipupdate
[07:33] <Echylo> but it has to work with dyndns.org
[07:33] <thoreauputic> Echylo: you can apt-get install it
[07:33] <helll> i dont know what to do
[07:33] <thoreauputic> it will
[07:33] <helll> im stuck
[07:33] <Echylo> I have a domain called
[07:33] <Echylo> echylon.mine.nu
[07:33] <Echylo> dynamic ip
[07:33] <Quarupt> here comes kubuntu
[07:34] <Echylo> but it will work thoreauputic?
[07:35] <helloyo> any ideas on how to get video in totem? fresh 4.10 install
[07:35] <Quarupt> what version of kde is the current kubuntu?
[07:35] <Quarupt> 3.3?
[07:35] <thoreauputic> Echylo: well, it's easy to try it - just choose to let debconf configure it and it will ask you for details
[07:35] <thoreauputic> Echylo: should be fine, I think
[07:35] <Echylo> hmm
[07:35] <Echylo> let me try
[07:35] <|Gunther|> hi
[07:36] <Echylo> how to work with debconf?
[07:36] <Echylo> cause I did debconf ez-ipupdate but It seems to do nothing
[07:36] <helll> can somebody help me out. I just downoaded and installed the ubuntu linux os, but it will not go past the "Loading grub 1.5" screen after i have rebooted the system from an install
[07:37] <thoreauputic> Echylo: just apt-get install, chosse automatic when it asks
[07:37] <thoreauputic> Echylo: and answer the questions
[07:37] <Echylo> ???
[07:37] <setite> when is 5.04 gonna be available
[07:37] <zenrox> setite, april?? may??
[07:37] <setite> i recall someone a while back telling me that the preview would be available in march
[07:37] <thoreauputic> Echylo: is it installed??
[07:37] <Echylo> ez-ipupdate is installed
[07:37] <Echylo> debconf was already installed
[07:37] <setite> i really want to use linux again
[07:38] <Echylo> but I didn't had to answer questions
[07:38] <Echylo> It just said there was no .conf file
[07:38] <thoreauputic> Echylo: when you installed, it should have asked how you waned it configured
[07:38] <thoreauputic> *wanted
[07:38] <Echylo> no it didn't
[07:38] <thoreauputic> Echylo: you chose automatic?
[07:38] <hyphen> how does everyone compare ubuntu to redhat?
[07:39] <Echylo> how should I chose that ? :
[07:39] <helll> anybody please? i want my system up tonight
[07:39] <helll> or i would like itup tonight
[07:39] <zenrox> Echylo, just do a sudo dpkg-reconfigure ez-ipupdate
[07:40] <_4strO> yop yop
[07:40] <Echylo> thanks
[07:40] <zenrox> Echylo, that help
[07:41] <Echylo> hmm
[07:41] <|Gunther|> I use Fedora Core 2 more than Ubuntu, mostly because I h8 Ubuntu's default theme in gnome, and I get only a 400x600 screen when I use it, maybe I should try Nvidia's drivers
[07:42] <revildab> might be your x settings
[07:42] <hyphen> really?  i just installed ubuntu last night and i get 1600x1200
[07:42] <revildab> i know i had to change mine to enable 1600x1200
[07:42] <Quarupt> wow kde isnt bad
[07:42] <helll> can somebody help me out. I just downoaded and installed the ubuntu linux os, but it will not go past the "Loading grub 1.5" screen after i have rebooted the system from an install
[07:42] <zenrox> |Gunther|, i have 1600x1200 on an nvidia card
[07:42] <farruinn> |Gunther|: heh, yeah you should be able to get better resolution than that
[07:43] <helloyo> i've installed gstreamer-plugins, but totem still only plays mpg, can somebody please help?
[07:43] <wezzer> helloyo: sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[07:44] <zenrox> helloyo, and sudo apt-get install totem-xine
[07:44] <zenrox> helloyo, and w32codecs
[07:44] <helll> can somebody please help me? my system will not boot grub after a ubuntu install!
[07:45] <helloyo> ok, thanks guys
[07:45] <|Gunther|> I have another question guys
[07:45] <zenrox> |Gunther|, ok
[07:45] <thoreauputic> helloyo: also http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:46] <|Gunther|> I forgot my regular user pwd, either I can attempt to remember it, or there is a User account for root that I can log into? I am Novice when it comes to creating user accounts in Terminal or whatever
[07:46] <ukilledkenny> i just upgraded from warty to hoary... now x isnt starting up... wats the apt-get command to use
[07:47] <ukilledkenny> ...?
[07:47] <zenrox> |Gunther|,  thare is another way to recover the pass from using a live cd
[07:47] <zenrox> |Gunther|,  but i dont know how
[07:47] <helll> somebody please?? any ideas? im getting very fustrated
[07:47] <zenrox> ukilledkenny, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:47] <farruinn> helll: does it fail when rebooting after the first phase of the install?
[07:48] <helll> farruinn: yes
[07:48] <helloyo> ok, totem-xine wants to remove ubuntu-desktop, that would be bad wouldn't it?
[07:48] <ukilledkenny> zenrox thanx
[07:48] <farruinn> helll: do you get any sort of information printed on the screen?
[07:48] <zenrox> ukilledkenny,  n/p
[07:48] <helll> farruinn: do i have to do anything special to the format if i tell it to do the automatic partitoning?
[07:48] <farruinn> helll: no, nothing to worry about
[07:48] <helll> farruinn: besids waiting for gub to startup, nothing
[07:48] <helll> grub*
[07:49] <farruinn> oops, helloyo, that's nothing to worry aobut
[07:49] <virtuald> |Gunther|: doesn't "recovery mode" in grub's menu get you to a root shell?
[07:49] <helloyo> farruinn, if you say so...
[07:49] <Quarupt> whats a good C/Cpp development client/enviroment/shell thingy?
[07:49] <zenrox> virtuald,  yes
[07:49] <zenrox> firgot about that
[07:49] <paulproteus> Quarupt: I hear good things about KDevelop.
[07:49] <virtuald> B] 
[07:50] <farruinn> helloyo: it's a metapackage, as in doesn't actually install anything, just depends on a lot of other packages
[07:50] <Quarupt> ok ill try it out
[07:50] <Quarupt> thx
[07:50] <helll> farruinn: any ideas?
[07:50] <hayden> how do i get gdesklets to work?
[07:50] <farruinn> helll: the automatic paritioning should have done it's job
[07:50] <Quarupt> doesnt seem to come with kubuntu guess i will need to DL it
[07:50] <farruinn> its*
[07:50] <cjennings> helloyo: I did the same thing yesterday. no problems for me, if that gives you more confidence.
[07:50] <schasi> does someone know about klik in here?
[07:50] <helloyo> cjennings, haha, yeah ok, thanks
[07:51] <helll> farruinn: alright...but i dont get why grub is not booting
[07:51] <farruinn> helll: what specifically does it say on your screen?
[07:51] <zenrox> helll,  might have botched the instial install
[07:51] <|Gunther|> yeah sure, I think it can
[07:51] <helll> farruinn: grub loading 1.5   (new line) loading grub, please wait
[07:51] <Quarupt> if your writing a bash script, and you want to do something with sudo, can you do like sudo cd /blah/blah  and put the password on the next line?
[07:52] <JordanAU> hi i just installed ubuntu for the first time
[07:52] <helll> farruinn: has been displaying that for about 25 minutes now
[07:52] <zenrox> |Gunther|, if it can then just do a password change command to the user
[07:52] <JordanAU> it runs great except i cant connect to my wireless network
[07:52] <farruinn> helll: I would try reinstalling
[07:52] <farruinn> helll: but then again I'm no grub expert (I use macs mostly)
[07:53] <cjennings> helll: I second reinstalling. Just use all the defaults if you can (automatic partitioning, etc).
[07:53] <zenrox> we need a good walk thru the install
[07:53] <helll> farruinn: have, 3 times
[07:53] <farruinn> helll: same result each time?
[07:53] <helll> farruinn: correct
[07:53] <hyphen> can someone recommend me a windows emulator aside from wine?
[07:53] <farruinn> what do you have for partitions?
[07:53] <helll> farruinn: this time was with a new cd...thinkin the grub on that cd was fubared
[07:53] <JordanAU> i am presently looking for linksys drivers any hits as to that? Also all of my music is stored on a windows Fat32 partition, ubuntu doesn't seem to see it, how do i detect that partition?
[07:53] <zenrox> helll,  have the bios setting saying no pnp os
[07:54] <cjennings> helll, was there anything on that drive before?
[07:54] <JordanAU> hits/hints
[07:54] <zenrox> errr notpnpos
[07:54] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[07:54] <da_bon_bon> anyone here usin vmware ?
[07:54] <cjennings> hyphen, vmware is the only other choice I know of.
[07:54] <cjennings> da_bon_bon, used to, but don't anymore. great software.
[07:54] <helll> farruinn: nothing lal the same...but one thing that i do remember is that i had to use ide=nodma or something like that for my gentoo installation because it wasnt seeing my hds
[07:54] <zenrox> helll,  how fast you burn the cd
[07:54] <hyphen> cjennings:  thanks, i'll look into that
[07:55] <helll> farruinn: oh yes i had fedora installed on my drive...uh this one i burnt it at 21x
[07:55] <cjennings> hyphen, it's non-free software, just so you know.
[07:55] <zenrox> helll,  burn at 4x
[07:55] <hyphen> ah poop
[07:55] <Quarupt> gedit has syntax coloring????
[07:55] <hyphen> i need something free
[07:55] <zenrox> helll,  you burn reliably at slower speeds
[07:55] <hyphen> i'm trying so hard not to go back to windows, but if i can't get my 3d software to run then i must :/
[07:55] <|Gunther|> hyphen: ungh. cedega
[07:56] <hyphen> cedega eh?
[07:56] <zenrox> or wineX
[07:56] <helll> farruinn: um...ive burnt hundreds of cds at 51x for os's...never had one fuck up on me....but now i doubt this is a cd issue
[07:56] <zenrox> ewww
[07:56] <hyphen> haha
[07:56] <zenrox> helll,  i had to burn at 4x if i burnt faster it woulent get past the grub loader
[07:56] <zenrox> either
[07:57] <farruinn> helll: I think there's your answer ^^^
[07:57] <helll> farruinn: one thing im confused about is the auto-partition only does swap and ext3...no boot partition
[07:57] <farruinn> helll: that could be a problem too =)
[07:57] <zenrox> and put /boot on another partion
[07:57] <farruinn> helll: when I do an install I make free space then I "automatically parition the free space"
[07:57] <zenrox> and /home in another partion you'll thank me lator
[07:58] <farruinn> zenrox: good call =)
[07:58] <helll> farruinn: heh and i rebooted my computer just now, and its complaining that it doesnt find a god damn os
[07:58] <farruinn> helll: no /boot makes it unhappy
[07:58] <farruinn> zenrox: good call, of course mine's on a separate drive - makes life so much easier
[07:58] <helll> farruinn: i think the auto partitioner should make a boot...but lemme reinstall sense ive done it half a dozen times im sure this wont do shit
[07:59] <farruinn> helll: well this time if it doesn't make a /boot, make a /boot
[07:59] <farruinn> but the auto partition should create the necessary partitions
[07:59] <dazed> hallo all
[07:59] <zenrox> farruinn,  i have a 40 gig 19.7gb /home 20gig /  and a 256mb swap(that i only use 2.88 megs out of)
[07:59] <helll> farruinn: the manual partition thing confuses the hell out of me
[07:59] <helll> fuck it im installing windows
[07:59] <zenrox> helll,  ill walk you tharu it
[07:59] <JordanAU> My new Ubuntu Install does not see my windows fat32 partition, How can I fix this???
[07:59] <zenrox> helll,  msg me
[08:02] <thoreauputic> JordanAU: edit /etc/fstab   put umask=002 and uid=1000 gid=1000 in th eptions field for that partition
[08:02] <thoreauputic> *options
[08:02] <ukilledkenny> zenrox, i got the error message xorg is broken or not completely installed
[08:02] <zenrox> JordanAU,  read www.ubuntuguide.org
[08:02] <zenrox> ukilledkenny,  try sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg then the reconfigure one
[08:03] <eyequeue> ukilledkenny:  just a quickie: try "sudo apt-get install -f"
[08:03] <poxymox> JordanAU: You need to install fat-filesystem support too, i think
[08:03] <ukilledkenny> thanx
[08:03] <dazed> thoreauputic: Hey...you know why i cant have any other sounds play when xmms is playing?
[08:04] <poxymox> zenrox: There ist a apt-comand to reconfige too i think
[08:04] <zenrox> poxymox,  ya but the dpkg-reconfigure i think is better
[08:04] <zenrox> imho
[08:04] <poxymox> ok!
[08:05] <jesper> If I should address an official "thank you" for the shipit-program, where should I send it?
[08:12] <poxymox> jesper: I find an Adress at this pdf: http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~mako/ubuntu_cds-customs_letter-generic.pdf
[08:13] <jesper> poxymox, thanks.
[08:15] <hayden> how do i install a *.deb file?
[08:15] <_4strO> dpkg -i
[08:15] <hayden> ok thanks
[08:16] <iiki> hey folks
[08:17] <Micksa> okay, I have a tricky one
[08:17] <iiki> im a linux noob but ill try
[08:17] <Micksa> I have a box that was warty and got apt-get dist-upgraded to hoary
[08:17] <Micksa> and gnome-panel and nautilus both crash on startup
[08:17] <Micksa> even from a clean account
[08:17] <iiki> sry cant help
[08:17] <iiki> im still on warty
[08:18] <membreya> so can anyone suggest some good gnome based games? already playing chromium and frozen-bubble
[08:18] <Micksa> do they have to be gnome-based?
[08:18] <membreya> preferably..but any games are good :)
[08:18] <Micksa> write one 8)
[08:18] <membreya> lol
[08:19] <azriel0184> Micksa, try running them from a console
[08:19] <azriel0184> armagetron
[08:19] <ukilledkenny> zenrox, yay
[08:19] <azriel0184> he has a point membreya... ;)
[08:20] <iiki> has anyone here gotten diablo 2 to run on ubuntu
[08:20] <membreya> i can barely type my own name :P
[08:20] <ukilledkenny> it worked... didnt use the dpkg-reconfigure command though
[08:20] <hayden> how do i install java 2 sdk?
[08:20] <azriel0184> membreya, sounds like youd be perfect for programming ;)
[08:20] <Micksa> azriel: I tried from an xterm if that's what you mean ;)
[08:21] <membreya> lol azriel0184
[08:21] <Micksa> no change.
[08:21] <_4strO> hayden> jrtfm
[08:21] <_4strO> :p
[08:21] <iiki> hayden go to the unbuntu website-->docs-->unoffical startup guide
[08:21] <iiki> and it tells there
[08:21] <azriel0184> Micksa, what does it say?
[08:21] <Micksa> it's your standard "application has crashed" dialog
[08:21] <iiki> tells you everything there
[08:21] <hayden> noob
[08:21] <Micksa> well, ubuntu's standard :)
[08:21] <zenrox> ukilledkenny,  have phun
[08:21] <iiki> i really like unbuntu
[08:22] <azriel0184> no idea then
[08:22] <iiki> finlly a distro of linux that i can stick w/
[08:22] <ukilledkenny> can someone help me install flash on hoary real quick
[08:22] <Micksa> "The Application 'gnome-panel' has quit unexpectedly."
[08:22] <_4strO> flash ?
[08:22] <azriel0184> membreya, thats why im picking on you ;) :P
[08:22] <ukilledkenny> the plugin for firefox
[08:23] <_4strO> ukilledkenny> go on www.drum-bass.net
[08:23] <zenrox> ukilledkenny,  read www.ubuntuguide.org
[08:23] <ukilledkenny> k
[08:24] <Micksa> ukilledkenny: use synaptic to install a package called "swf-play"
[08:24] <Micksa> that should work with firefox, I think.
[08:24] <helloyo> so glad i gave ubuntu another shot, its running sweet!
[08:25] <ukilledkenny> synaptic?
[08:25] <_4strO> for install plugin flash u only have to go on a flash website
[08:26] <_4strO> and then click on the part where is write that u don't have it
[08:26] <_4strO> --> www.ultimatum.fr
[08:27] <ukilledkenny> ill download the flash-plugin file from firefox and then run apt-get install flashplayer mozilla
[08:28] <_4strO> no
[08:28] <_4strO> dowload and instll from firefox
[08:28] <_4strO> just follow the instruction
[08:29] <ukilledkenny> _4strO: i never had any luck with this installation, even with following the instructions... hopefully hoary will be less merciful
[08:29] <_4strO> ^
[08:30] <_4strO> strange
[08:30] <_4strO> never see pb on it
[08:33] <_4strO> ukilledkenny> result ?
[08:34] <hyphen> anyone here familiar with wine and wanna help me out real quick?
[08:35] <_4strO> i have to go ...
[08:35] <_4strO> see ya ...
[08:36] <techn9ne>  hyphen: #winhq
[08:36] <techn9ne> winehq
[08:36] <hyphen> oh, thanks :P
[08:37] <helloyo> how do i get my desktop to reflect my home folder?
[08:37] <raggedgentleman> does anyone have a compiled ccd2iso?
[08:37] <raggedgentleman> i am having trouble compileing it
[08:37] <raggedgentleman> what is aclocal?
[08:38] <raggedgentleman> aclocal.m4
[08:41] <crimsun> raggedgentleman: aclocal is part of the automake package
[08:41] <crimsun> raggedgentleman: aclocal.m4 is a macro file
[08:42] <crimsun> raggedgentleman: you can read more about gnu autoconf, automake, etc. via your favourite search engine
[08:42] <raggedgentleman> crimsun, ok well when i try to compile that shit it exits with an error
[08:42] <raggedgentleman> im trying to run make
[08:43] <hayden> crimsun, do know how i can install j2sdk
[08:43] <crimsun> raggedgentleman: is the 'build-essential' package installed?
[08:43] <Quarupt> is there some kind of IRC server that has a setup wizard or a GUI?
[08:43] <crimsun> Quarupt: server? not that I know of
[08:43] <raggedgentleman> crimsun, no it was not
[08:44] <Quarupt> ok thx
[08:44] <maney_> hello
[08:44] <crimsun> raggedgentleman: what program are you trying to compile?
[08:44] <maney_> I want to report about conflict at package system.
[08:45] <maney_> if I try to install k3b, and then apt system try to install kcontrol.
[08:45] <raggedgentleman> crimsun, its called ccd2iso
[08:45] <maney_> and kcontrol try to overwrite at /usr/bin/kcmshell.
[08:45] <raggedgentleman> crimsun, it takes CloneCD images and converts them into isos
[08:45] <raggedgentleman> you know .img .ccd .sub
[08:45] <maney_> so it is killed by broken pipe.
[08:45] <raggedgentleman> those
[08:45] <maney_> anyone in here try to install k3b?
[08:45] <crimsun> raggedgentleman: not familiar w/ the innards of clonecd, sorry.
[08:46] <raggedgentleman> crimsun, yeah well i have some imgs that id like to use with linux
[08:46] <crimsun> maney_: what package/version is conflicting with that file?
[08:47] <helloyo> does anyone know how to make my desktop reflect my home directory?
[08:47] <raggedgentleman> crimsun, and i dont have any win part. so.. this is my only opt. thanks, so with this package i should be able to build stuff now
[08:47] <thoreauputic> helloyo: saw your question - don't understand it
[08:47] <crimsun> hayden: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java15
[08:47] <maney_> crimsun, kcontrol_4%3a3.3.2-1ubuntu7_i386.deb
[08:47] <maney_> I'm hoary.
[08:47] <raggedgentleman> crimsun, maybe this is why ive never successfully compiled anything with a make file
[08:48] <thoreauputic> helloyo: what do you mean "mirror " ?
[08:48] <crimsun> raggedgentleman: you may need additional -dev packages.
[08:48] <thoreauputic> or reflect or whatever
[08:48] <crimsun> maney_: hmm, it's installed fine here.
[08:49] <helloyo> thoreauputic, i've worked it out, what i meant was that all my files in the home directory were accesible from the desktop
[08:49] <crimsun> maney_: dpkg -S /usr/bin/kcmshell
[08:49] <thoreauputic> helloyo: ok
[08:49] <raggedgentleman> crimsun, yeah... do you know what that package is called?
[08:49] <maney_> kdelibs-bin: /usr/bin/kcmshell
[08:49] <maney_> it is result of dpkg -S /usr/bin/kcmshell
[08:50] <crimsun> maney_: dpkg -l kdelibs-bin|grep ^ii
[08:50] <crimsun> raggedgentleman: there may not be just one package.
[08:50] <maney_> ii  kdelibs-bin    3.4.0-0pre1ubu KDE core binaries
[08:51] <crimsun> maney_: paste the output of the following in #flood: apt-cache policy kdelibs-bin
[08:51] <pro> uMkulu, how are you?
[08:51] <raggedgentleman> crimsun, mm great sounds fun.
[08:52] <pro> uMkulu, time?
[08:53] <thoreauputic> pro: I believe uMkulu is now +q  :(
[08:53] <pro> mmm, seems like it
[08:53] <thoreauputic> pro: some controversy about bots yesterday
[08:54] <raggedgentleman> crimsun, so what are u saying? how can i find out wich ones ill need?
[08:54] <crimsun> maney_: hmm. Must have been updated within the past 6 hours.
[08:55] <raggedgentleman> crimsun, i think i just need this one aclocal.m4 right?
[08:55] <crimsun> maney_: sec, running dist-upgrade
[08:55] <maney_> ah... so source mirror site have problem?
[08:55] <raggedgentleman> cant i just dl this one file?
[08:55] <maney_> ah?;;
[08:55] <maney_> ok
[08:55] <crimsun> raggedgentleman: why do you need that file? Are you trying to build from upstream cvs/svn?
[08:55] <hayden> thanks for the java link crimsun
[08:56] <crimsun> hayden: np
[08:56] <pro> thoreauputic, i'll make a plan. but the staffer i need to speak to only wakes up later,
[08:56] <crimsun> maney_: did you use apt-get, aptitude, synaptic, or dselect?
[08:56] <pro> thoreauputic, but thanks, i was tring to look in his logs whats going on
[08:56] <maney_> apt-get
[08:56] <crimsun> k
[08:56] <crimsun> (sec, dist-upgrade is still running)
[08:57] <raggedgentleman> make
[08:57] <raggedgentleman> cd . && /bin/sh /home/raggedgentleman/ccd2iso/missing --run aclocal-1.6
[08:57] <raggedgentleman> /home/raggedgentleman/ccd2iso/missing: line 46: aclocal-1.6: command not found
[08:57] <raggedgentleman> WARNING: `aclocal-1.6' is needed, and you do not seem to have it handy on your
[08:57] <raggedgentleman>          system.  You might have modified some files without having the
[08:57] <raggedgentleman>          proper tools for further handling them.  Check the `README' file,
[08:57] <raggedgentleman>          it often tells you about the needed prerequirements for installing
[08:57] <raggedgentleman>          this package.  You may also peek at any GNU archive site, in case
[08:57] <raggedgentleman>          some other package would contain this missing `aclocal-1.6' program.
[08:57] <raggedgentleman> make: *** [aclocal.m4]  Error 1
[08:57] <thoreauputic> pro: seems jdub, bob2 and daniels (?) don't want bots in the channel
[08:57] <crimsun> raggedgentleman: please don't flood in here
[08:57] <thoreauputic> raggedgentleman: I hope that was a mistake...
[08:58] <raggedgentleman> yeah i didnt know it would send after apast
[08:58] <membreya> lo thoreauputic :)
[08:59] <AcidWolf> for some reason i cant seem to satisfy the dependencies for Bittorrent PPC
[08:59] <AcidWolf> :(
[08:59] <thoreauputic> membreya: hello - how's life in the sociopathic world?  ;-)
[08:59] <crimsun> raggedgentleman: sudo apt-get install automake1.6
[08:59] <membreya> emotionally detached :)
[09:00] <membreya> but on the plus side I got squid up and running :)
[09:00] <thoreauputic> membreya: makes sense
[09:00] <membreya> :D
[09:00] <thoreauputic> membreya: emotional detachment would be an advantage for getting squid running I would guess...
[09:01] <membreya> integrate myself into a nerdy world, obtain the information required...and then bail with no remorse :P
[09:02] <thoreauputic> membreya: ah, yes, chameleon tactics...
[09:03] <membreya> i am glad I got squid running though :)
[09:03] <AcidWolf> i need some help
[09:03] <AcidWolf>  Depends: python (>= 2.4) but 2.3.4-1ubuntu1 is to be installed                  Depends: libwxgtk2.4-python but it is not going to be installed
[09:03] <thoreauputic> membreya: glad to hear the detachment is not complete ;-)
[09:03] <AcidWolf> i have both those packages installed
[09:04] <crimsun> maney_: try running sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[09:04] <AcidWolf> however it still says the dependencies are unmet
[09:04] <AcidWolf> :(
[09:04] <crimsun> maney_: using aptitude, I was able to install that package just fine
[09:05] <raggedgentleman> crimsun, still same error even after installing that new package
[09:05] <crimsun> raggedgentleman: why are you running make directly?
[09:05] <crimsun> raggedgentleman: did you run ./configure first?
[09:05] <maney_> crimsun, yes I'll
[09:05] <thoreauputic> AcidWolf: tried running sudo apt-get update then attempting the install again?
[09:06] <raggedgentleman> crimsun, yeah i did, should i do it again, since i installed that new package?
[09:06] <AcidWolf> yes i ahve thoreauputic
[09:06] <membreya> thoreauputic: ....can you recommend any games?
[09:06] <crimsun> raggedgentleman: yes
[09:06] <thoreauputic> AcidWolf: OK - just checking the obvious :)
[09:06] <AcidWolf> any other suggestions
[09:06] <thoreauputic> membreya: seduction is always fun, or cycling...
[09:07] <thoreauputic> membreya: or both at once...
[09:07] <membreya> I was talking about linux games, not real life ones :P
[09:08] <thoreauputic> membreya: ah, there's a difference ... didn't notice ;-)
[09:08] <membreya> :P
[09:09] <thoreauputic> membreya: linux is a game for me
[09:09] <dbo> HI!
[09:09] <thoreauputic> :)
[09:09] <dbo> is everyone haveing a good day?
[09:09] <dbo> GOOD!
[09:09] <membreya> sadist thoreauputic
[09:09] <[core] > hi!
[09:09] <dbo> i need a p2p program that's in apt-get and will work out of the box
[09:09] <thoreauputic> membreya: did you mean masochist?
[09:09] <dbo> make the pain go away
[09:09] <membreya> no...sadist
[09:09] <membreya> dbo amule :)
[09:09] <thoreauputic> hehe
[09:10] <membreya> or just download azureus
[09:10] <membreya> and I call you a sadist thoreauputic because you seem to enjoy taunting me
[09:10] <membreya> ooooo revised compact edition :D
[09:10] <thoreauputic> membreya: mwuhahaha !
[09:11] <thoreauputic> membreya: yes, the Concise Edition :)
[09:11] <membreya> it's actually just the index pages for the entire linux manual :)
[09:12] <thoreauputic> membreya: actually it's the Microfiche edition - you need a Microfiche machine from 1975 to read it ;-)
[09:13] <membreya> hahah :P
[09:13] <membreya> using punch cards to operate it ?
[09:13] <thoreauputic> of course
[09:13] <thoreauputic> or jsut patch cords and toggle switches
[09:14] <membreya> DIP switches :P
[09:17] <raggedgentleman> crimsun, same error =o(
[09:17] <zenrox> one more sucess storie for me
[09:17] <zenrox> helll got his pc to take ubuntu
[09:17] <zenrox> the ubuntu virus strikes agine
[09:17] <thoreauputic> zenrox: well done :)
[09:18] <crimsun> raggedgentleman: paste the error in #flood
[09:18] <tokoloshi> speaking of virus, you guys worked in wnidows lately?
[09:18] <thoreauputic> zenrox: what was the problem, in the end?
[09:18] <zenrox> thoreauputic, /boot , /home , /
[09:18] <zenrox> and swap
[09:18] <membreya> tokoloshi: been about a week since I've been to windows
[09:18] <zenrox> just needed /booy
[09:18] <zenrox> err /boot
[09:18] <AcidWolf> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[09:18] <AcidWolf>   libwxgtk2.4-python: Depends: libwxgtk2.4 (>= 2.4.2.6ubuntu1) but 2.4.2.4ubuntu1 is to be installed
[09:19] <AcidWolf> :(
[09:19] <raggedgentleman> crimsun, and i did run ./configure again
[09:19] <zenrox> AcidWolf,  your trying to install a progam that uses a hoary package
[09:20] <AcidWolf> zenrox i have all the hoary repositiries anabled in /etc/apt/sources.list so shouldnt the dependencies be met automatically
[09:20] <_bryan> just made the switch from Windows to ubuntu, can't find my second hdd. i tried 'mount hdb' and 'mount hdb1' but to no avail
[09:20] <zenrox> AcidWolf,  did you do a dist-upgrade
[09:20] <AcidWolf> or will it take a dist-upgrade
[09:20] <zenrox> it will take a dist-upgrade
[09:21] <crimsun> raggedgentleman: apt-get install libtool autoconf
[09:21] <membreya> _bryan: does dmesg show it's been found?
[09:21] <AcidWolf> no i havent done dist upgrade cause i am running on Apple G4 powerbook and haory runs extremely unstable for me on it
[09:21] <zenrox> then un enable the hoary sorces
[09:21] <_bryan> yup, it says: hdb: WDC WD1600JB-00GVA0, ATA DISK drive
[09:21] <zenrox> and stick with warty
[09:22] <AcidWolf> so then if i wanted to use bittorrent in warty what would i have to do
[09:22] <AcidWolf> ive tried alot of things
[09:22] <membreya> _bryan: what command are you using to mount the drive?
[09:23] <_bryan> eerr, i did 'mount /dev/hdb'
[09:23] <zenrox> AcidWolf, i dont know wnay other way other then compiling it your self
[09:23] <AcidWolf> ok
[09:24] <hyphen> here's a super noob question for you guys
[09:24] <thoreauputic> apt-get -t hoary install package   might work, but I haven't tried that on ubuntu
[09:24] <hyphen> if i wanted to run a setup file in my cdrom with wine through a terminal, how would i do that?
[09:24] <zenrox> thoreauputic, ya but mixing warty with hoary is asken for truble
[09:24] <thoreauputic> zenrox: yes
[09:25] <zenrox> hyphen, wine progam.exe
[09:25] <hyphen> from any directory?
[09:25] <zenrox> in the cdrom dir
[09:25] <membreya> _bryan: you need to give it a mount point
[09:25] <hyphen> how do i get there?  it doesn't have a letter assigned?
[09:25] <thoreauputic> hyphen: else you would need the full path to the .exe
[09:25] <tokoloshi> i assume warty and  hoary are 2 versions of ubuntu?
[09:25] <hyphen> [sorry about the newbish question] 
[09:26] <_bryan> ok
[09:26] <zenrox> hyphen,  its ok
[09:26] <_bryan> so, a mount point would be?
[09:26] <thoreauputic> hyphen: hey, that's what the channel is here for
[09:26] <hyphen> ;)
[09:26] <zenrox> and some theratics
[09:26] <hyphen> so what's the path to my cdroms?
[09:27] <tokoloshi> _bryan, man mount     ( thats disgusting, thats why i learned the manpage for mount )
[09:27] <membreya> _bryan: /mnt/(second harddrive) ..you will need to create a directory
[09:27] <zenrox> err /media
[09:27] <hyphen> ooh
[09:27] <zenrox> hyphen, /media
[09:27] <hyphen> sweet, thanks guys
[09:27] <zenrox> cdrom1 and 2 etccc
[09:27] <thoreauputic> zenrox: theratics? theatrics? ?
[09:27] <zenrox> theatrics
[09:27] <michael> Hi ! can someone help me? i del. the ubuntu HDD but now xp does not start up GRUB loading Error 22 is the message!
[09:27] <zenrox> i think
[09:28] <thoreauputic> ah I guessed corectly, as my French teacher used to say ... :)
[09:28] <zenrox> michael,  reboot using the winxp cdrom and tell it to fix mbr
[09:28] <pro> michael,  get the windows disk and fdisk /mbr
[09:28] <azriel0184> if you only have XP on the system, boot the install cd, go to a recovery shell and type "fixmbr"
[09:28] <zenrox> azriel0184,  thats it right thare
[09:29] <pro> and michael, you took ubuntu off and want to run XP and you ask here for help? traitor
[09:29] <michael> thanks a lot !! try it now !!! Michael
[09:29] <zenrox> lol
[09:29] <hyphen> argg
[09:29] <hyphen> this is such a pain, wine says that maya 6.0 works, but it doesn't even run the setup properly
[09:29] <zenrox> hehehehehheheheh
[09:29] <hyphen> it doesn't even run it at all
[09:30] <zenrox> hyphen,  google it time maya 6.0 +linux
[09:30] <_bryan> so the drive i want to mount has lots of important stuff on it, it's probably ntfs, so when i mount it as a ext3 am i going to loose all my data?
[09:30] <hyphen> thats what i've been doing
[09:30] <crimsun> _bryan: you can't mount ntfs as ext3
[09:30] <hyphen> i just keep finding articles on maya working with redhat and fedora
[09:31] <membreya> _bryan: it's PROBABLY NTFS?
[09:31] <zenrox> read what thay are doing some of that will work execpt the rpm stuff
[09:31] <membreya> how can you not know ?
[09:31] <_bryan> ok 'it is ntfs'
[09:31] <_bryan> better?
[09:31] <membreya> _bryan: in my fstab file I have /dev/sda1       /media/temp    ntfs    umask=0222      0       0
[09:31] <hyphen> that's what it's all about, rpms [whatever those are] .  i guess alias made a version for linux, but it only really works with redhat
[09:32] <hyphen> and fedora
[09:32] <crimsun> _bryan: I'm not sure why you'd try to mount a ntfs partition as any filesystem type other than ntfs...
[09:32] <thoreauputic> _bryan: membreya is a self-confessed sociopath - humour him ;-)
[09:32] <zenrox> hyphen,  you might try to compile the code your self
[09:32] <hyphen> the wine source?
[09:32] <membreya> and you're a glorified bum..what's your point thoreauputic
[09:32] <zenrox> hyphen,  why not
[09:32] <hyphen> because im a total newb, lol
[09:32] <zenrox> lol
[09:33] <thoreauputic> membreya: ah, I've been promoted!
[09:33] <_bryan> ok, sorry, i read the man wrong, i thought i could only mount ext2, ext3 and xfs
[09:33] <_bryan> my bad
[09:33] <membreya> yes thoreauputic ..you've been problems from bum to glorified bum :) you're almost human now
[09:34] <zenrox> membreya,  ya your the uperclass bum
[09:34] <membreya> erm
[09:34] <membreya> problems = promoted
[09:34] <thoreauputic> membreya: oh, no! Anything but that!
[09:34] <membreya> damnit..stop multitasking Adam
[09:34] <kuru_> someone helped me with this before and i can't seem to remember how it worked and can't get it to work again.. I can't seem to be able to burn cd's
[09:34] <kuru_> thoreauputic: i think you were there ;)
[09:35] <membreya> zenrox: if you choose to insult me ...do it properly.. it's "you're the upperclass bum" ...u
[09:35] <kuru_> I remember it had something to do with -dev=0,0,0 since I have a cdrw and a dvd drive.. both my hdd's are scsi's but my cdrw and dvd's are atapi
[09:35] <zenrox> membreya, ill try to rember that
[09:35] <raggedgentleman> crimsun, thank you so much
[09:35] <membreya> :)
[09:35] <thoreauputic> zenrox: we need a grammar bot - membreya wil do nicely :)
[09:35] <raggedgentleman> crimsun, it freekin works
[09:36] <zenrox> thoreauputic,  i agreee
[09:36] <membreya> :P
[09:36] <membreya> people at work call me robot..so why not :(
[09:36] <zenrox> hahahahahahhaha
[09:36] <kuru_> when I do 'cdrecord dev=ATAPI -scanbus' I get 0,0,0     0) 'HL-DT-ST' 'DVD-ROM GDR8162B' '0015' Removable CD-ROM
[09:36] <poxymox>  kuru_: Your dev-ID: cdrecord --scanbus
[09:37] <crimsun> raggedgentleman: good to hear.
[09:37] <kuru_> poxymox: eh?
[09:37] <poxymox> nothing ... :-)
[09:37] <zenrox> crimsun,  the ubuntu virus strikes ??
[09:37] <crimsun> aye
[09:38] <membreya> they wanted to call me bender (the robot from futurama) but then I enlightened them to the other connotations of the word :P
[09:38] <kuru_> crimsun: i think you were the one who helped me last time?
[09:38] <crimsun> kuru_: with what, if I may ask?
[09:38] <zenrox> membreya,  lol
[09:38] <kuru> crimsun: with burning cd's
[09:39] <zenrox> look we are building client tell
[09:39] <crimsun> kuru: hmm, I don't remember helping anyone with cd burning, but what issues are you having?
[09:39] <zenrox> every one has there fav ubuntu geek
[09:39] <kuru> crimsun: it keeps saying that it can't open /dev/sg* , etc.
[09:40] <crimsun> kuru: audio or data?
[09:40] <membreya> zenrox: you mean clientele?
[09:40] <kuru> crimsun: either
[09:40] <zenrox> thx agine membreya
[09:40] <zenrox> lol
[09:40] <Benjamin_L> will firefox 1.0.1 make it into hoary ?
[09:40] <zenrox> Benjamin_L,  probly
[09:40] <crimsun> kuru: sudo cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc foo.iso
[09:41] <crimsun> kuru: or, sudo cdrecord -audio -pad -dao dev=/dev/hdc *.wav
[09:41] <kuru> crimsun: no no no.. that's not my problem ;)
[09:41] <crimsun> kuru: the important part is that you use the correct /dev node
[09:41] <Benjamin_L> ok, we'll see. hopefully macromedia will release a 64 bit version of their flash plugin anytime soon...
[09:41] <zenrox> crimsun,  if its /dev/sg ant that a diferent protical
[09:41] <zenrox> form apti
[09:41] <kuru> maybe that's t
[09:41] <kuru> it
[09:41] <zenrox> from apit
[09:41] <membreya> hopefully Benjamin_L :)
[09:42] <kuru> crimsun: how do I know the correct dev node?
[09:42] <crimsun> kuru: you don't need to use dev=0,1,0 or anything; that's the old method. With Linux 2.6, you're supposed to use the new semantics, i.e., /dev/hdX where X is your drive letter
[09:42] <pro> kuru, what do you mean the device node?
[09:43] <kuru> pro: ask crimsun ;) /dev/hd*
[09:43] <crimsun> kuru: err, who's having the cd burning issue(s)?
[09:44] <kuru> crimsun: I think I remember what the problem was.. it's exactly what you have described
[09:45] <crimsun> kuru: you can find out which device it is by: grep ATAPI /var/log/dmesg
[09:45] <crimsun> for instance, on my current machine, it's hdc
[09:45] <basse> hi, the ubuntu website is a bit messy.. could somebody tell me where I could get the currently used backgrounds that come with kubuntu?
[09:45] <daniels> does anyone else here have a PCIE video card?  if so, would you mind grabbing http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/pcibustype.c, running gcc -o pcibustype pcibustype.c, then sudo ./pcibustype $(lspci -X | grep 'VGA compatible controller' | cut -f1 -d' '), and telling me what the output is?
[09:46] <hyphen> another question, how do i edit my shell?
[09:47] <hyphen> i guess i'm supposed to set an environment variable in the shell...just don't know how to get to it
[09:47] <membreya> edit your shell? :|
[09:47] <hyphen>  Your program might require some environment variable to be set properly in order to run successfully. In this case you need to set this environment variable in the Linux shell
[09:48] <_bryan> I keep getting "mount: /dev/hdb already mounted or /mnt/hdb busy
[09:48] <_bryan> "
[09:48] <azriel0184> VARIABLE="value"
[09:48] <hyphen> i know the syntax, they give the variable to set
[09:48] <hyphen> i just don't know how to put it in the linux shell
[09:48] <_bryan> but a 'mount' doesn't show hdb being mounted
[09:48] <azriel0184> _bryan: cat /etc/mtab | grep /dev/hdb
[09:49] <crimsun> _bryan: /dev/hdb is a device, not a partition. You can only mount partitions.
[09:49] <azriel0184> ohh... right :)
[09:49] <crimsun> _bryan: in other words, mount a partition on /dev/hdb such as /dev/hdb1
[09:49] <_bryan> ahh
[09:49] <azriel0184> ignore me _bryan
[09:49] <_bryan> well that makes more sense
[09:50] <hayden> where do xmms themes go?
[09:50] <thoreauputic> hayden: ~/.xmms
[09:50] <hayden> ok thanks
[09:50] <_bryan> now it says i don't have the permissions necessary to view it
[09:51] <_bryan> (it mounted)
[09:51] <thoreauputic> hayden: ~.xmms/Skins in fact
[09:51] <hayden> yep
[09:51] <hayden> thanks
[09:51] <thoreauputic> bah ~/.xmms/Skins
[09:51] <hayden> lol
[09:51] <crimsun> _bryan: you need to pass umask [and possibly uid and gid]  parameters to mount
[09:51] <_bryan> :o
[09:51] <_bryan> *brain explodes*
[09:51] <membreya>     umask=0222      0       0
[09:52] <azriel0184> or access it as root...
[09:52] <_bryan> ok, im going to actually go read the whole manpage this time
[09:52] <_bryan> thanks for all the help!
[09:52] <thoreauputic> membreya: I'd be more permissive ( umask=002 )
[09:52] <waseem> hi im using a coolpix nikon 3200 digital camera, and when i connect it to my computer, it only lets me import photos and not any of the .mov files
[09:52] <thoreauputic> membreya: but then, as a bum, I'm allowed to be permissive...
[09:53] <waseem> is there anyway i can manually import the .mov files??
[09:53] <_bryan> so to unmount i do 'umount /dev/hdb1' right?
[09:53] <membreya> :P
[09:53] <waseem> anyone here that can help me
[09:54] <scizzo> _bryan: unmount the mountpoint
[09:54] <crimsun> _bryan: no, use the mountpoint, not the partition you mounted
[09:54] <azriel0184> either way works doesnt it?
[09:54] <_bryan> seems to have worked
[09:54] <waseem> does anyone here know how to import everything from a usbdisk onto my computer?
[09:54] <azriel0184> except umounting the /dev will umount all mounts of the /dev
[09:54] <hayden> how do i extract a .tar.gz in Terminal?
[09:55] <azriel0184> tar -xzf file.tar.gz
[09:55] <johns^> hayden: tar xzvf *tar.gz
[09:55] <_bryan> tar zxvf file.tar.gz
[09:55] <crimsun> yes, you _can_ use the device, but that's a _bad_ idea if you have union mounts or bound mounts.
[09:55] <membreya> hayden: with tar? :)
[09:55] <azriel0184> membreya, no, with your head ;)
[09:55] <membreya> :P
[09:55] <hyphen> how do i edit the linux shell to add a variable?
[09:56] <azriel0184> hyphen, VARIABLE_NAME="value"
[09:57] <hyphen> ah
[09:57] <azriel0184> eg. MEMBREYA="aussie"
[09:57] <waseem> does anyone here know how to import everything onto your computer from a usb?
[09:57] <hyphen> so i can just pop that into my terminal?  or is there an actual file i need to open?
[09:57] <azriel0184> waseem, mount the usb drive?
[09:57] <poxymox> hyphen: In Your  ~/.bashrc
[09:57] <azriel0184> hyphen, no
[09:57] <hyphen> ooh
[09:58] <azriel0184> well, either way
[09:58] <thoreauputic> azriel0184: MEMBREYA="sociopath" THOREAUPUTIC="bum"
[09:58] <Amaranth> ooh, ubuntu-calendar-march
[09:58] <azriel0184> thoreauputic, AZRIEL="awesome" ;)
[09:58] <azriel0184> or AZRIEL="humble"
[09:58] <thoreauputic> AZRIEL="modest"
[09:58] <Amaranth> AMARANTH=$DIETY
[09:59] <membreya> azriel="self righteous"
[09:59] <azriel0184> heh
[10:00] <Amaranth> actually, i think this name has something to do with a god in hindu
[10:00] <Amaranth> err, hindi
[10:00] <waseem> azriel0184: is there a command i could type that would just automatically import everything from my camera onto my computer?
[10:00] <azriel0184> me?
[10:00] <azriel0184> its hebrew actually
[10:00] <elvirolo> hi all!
[10:00] <Amaranth> no, my name
[10:00] <waseem> ...?
[10:01] <azriel0184> waseem, dont think so, but try mounting the usb device with mount, then cp /mount/point/*
[10:01] <waseem> the problem is it lets me import all the photos i want
[10:01] <waseem> but none of the movies
[10:01] <crimsun> (don't forget the destination)
[10:01] <azriel0184> well yea...
[10:02] <waseem> ok ive never mounted before since im so new to linux
[10:02] <waseem> do you think you could walk me through it?
[10:02] <azriel0184> mount /whatever/the/usb/is /media/usb; cp /media/usb/* ./
[10:02] <azriel0184> something like that
[10:03] <waseem> the name of the usb?
[10:03] <tranceConscious> what is the hoary distribution and where do i get it for amd64???
[10:03] <basse> so, are the background art of ubuntu downloadable anywhere? I'm doing one background and need as reference for coloring.
[10:03] <waseem> like this /media/usbdisk/dcim/?
[10:03] <elvirolo> i've got a strange prob with my hoary setup : after having chosen my DE in the login manager, an Xdialog window comes up (yeah, that ugly thing) and tells me : "Xsession: warning : unable to write to /tmp, X session may exit with an error" and then X.org just restarts ... I've (even) tried doing a chmod 777 on /tmp, and it still doesn't work ...
[10:03] <elvirolo> could anyone help me ?
[10:04] <thoreauputic> basse: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-calendar
[10:04] <elvirolo> tranceConscious: hoary is the developement version of Ubuntu
[10:04] <tranceConscious> elvirolo: where do I get it from?
[10:04] <basse> thoreauputic: sorry, I'm not actually running ubuntu myself :)
[10:05] <elvirolo> tranceConscious: depends, what are you running now ?
[10:05] <elvirolo> no ideas anyone ?
[10:05] <fsc> is hoary updates overwriting sounds settings? i'm a duck in water
[10:05] <membreya> tranceConscious: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/array-6/hoary-install-amd64.iso
[10:05] <thoreauputic> basse: ah.... why not? ;-)
[10:05] <tranceConscious> thanx
[10:05] <basse> thoreauputic: well, I'm debian user.. and I see no reason to switch really.. especially when ubuntu is based on this :)
[10:06] <membreya> ubuntu Pwns
[10:06] <thoreauputic> OK basse, I'll let you off then ;-)
[10:06] <membreya> as thoreauputic would say
[10:06] <elvirolo> is there an X log I could access somewhere ?
[10:06] <basse> thoreauputic: I am contributing a background tho .. :) if I find the current ones somewhere. the "holding hands" and if there are other.
[10:07] <membreya> elvirolo: /var/log/ Xorg.0.log
[10:07] <membreya> without the space between / and X :P
[10:07] <elvirolo> membreya: thx
[10:07] <elvirolo> :)
[10:08] <thoreauputic> basse: there are a few here >> http://www.brisgeek.com/etiquette/downloads.html
[10:08] <tranceConscious> membreya: is that the latest hoary release??
[10:08] <membreya> tranceConscious: yes it is
[10:08] <membreya> array 6
[10:08] <thoreauputic> basse: but not the "brown" ones (these are pre-GIMP, I guess)
[10:09] <tranceConscious> membreya: Any ideas about how to make my waveterminal 192L soundcard to work?
[10:09] <basse> ok.. but it's getting there.. atleast I see the poses.
[10:09] <basse> thanks.
[10:09] <membreya> no idea
[10:09] <thoreauputic> no worries
[10:09] <basse> i have gimp palette for ubuntu.. that I managed to find from wiki (man it's messy)
[10:10] <azriel0184> hey, what does does a usb drive show up as in /dev ?
[10:10] <tranceConscious> anyone knows how to make waveterminal 192L work ?????
[10:10] <crimsun> azriel0184: as a scsi mass storage, e.g. /dev/sda1
[10:10] <tranceConscious> and how to make my usb modem work?
[10:11] <_bryan> what would i use for 'gid' in mounting options
[10:11] <thoreauputic> _bryan: probably 1000 or your user name
[10:11] <elvirolo> strange, nothing seems wrong in the log ...
[10:11] <elvirolo> could anyone help me?
[10:11] <membreya> just use UID :P
[10:12] <_bryan> ok
[10:12] <membreya> don't listen to thoreauputic, he's becoming old and senile
[10:12] <johnnybezak> hey guys i'm getting an error with rhythmbox when i try to play songs it says "Could not pause playback" and "could not open resource for writing"
[10:12] <johnnybezak> anyone know what this could be
[10:12] <thoreauputic> membreya: and humourless :)
[10:12] <membreya> :P
[10:13] <crimsun> _bryan: getent passwd $USER|awk -F: '{ print $4 }'
[10:13] <crimsun> _bryan: whatever the output of that ^^ is
[10:13] <johnnybezak> i knew it would be a bad idea restarting :P
[10:14] <_bryan> i had my uid and umask, was just stuck on gid
[10:14] <_bryan> beautiful
[10:14] <_bryan> i got it :D
[10:14] <_bryan> finally
[10:14] <thoreauputic> crimsun: wow - that's a geeky way to get output you could eyeball from the 'groups' command :)
[10:15] <thoreauputic> but looks impressive, I admit ;)
[10:15] <crimsun> thoreauputic: granted, but getent is the portable method
[10:15] <thoreauputic> OK ;-)
[10:15] <_bryan> what's the right way to exit out of manpages?
[10:15] <johnnybezak> q
[10:15] <crimsun> 'q'
[10:15] <membreya> lol :P
[10:15] <johnnybezak> intuitive hey
[10:15] <johnnybezak> :P
[10:16] <thoreauputic> watch your 'p's and 'q's .....
[10:16] <thoreauputic> sorry... lame
[10:16] <_bryan> now i can stop ctrl-z'n out of them
[10:16] <johnnybezak> hehe certainly was
[10:16] <elvirolo> strange, my X server starts up, but i just doesn't load any DE ... i've looked thorouly through the log, and i still can't find the reason why...
[10:17] <membreya> http://www.wordorigins.org/wordorp.htm#mind%20your%20p's%20&
[10:17] <membreya> there you go thoreauputic :)
[10:17] <thoreauputic> looking :)
[10:17] <Quarupt> when running kubunti, will i still get a system tray icon when updates are availible?
[10:17] <Quarupt> Kubuntu*
[10:20] <_bryan> mmmmmm
[10:20] <_bryan> music
[10:20] <_bryan> finally
[10:20] <thoreauputic> membreya: very informative :)
[10:20] <_bryan> thanks to all
[10:20] <membreya> thoreauputic: I love that site :)
[10:20] <membreya> etymology always interests me :)
[10:20] <_bryan> you guys must get a million thanks a day
[10:20] <thoreauputic> membreya: yeah, I can see one could spend much time browsing it
[10:21] <_bryan> (or gals)
[10:21] <thoreauputic> _bryan: nah, mostly we get abused by people like membreya
[10:21] <membreya> :P
[10:22] <_bryan> so, am i stuck in 1024x786 if there's no linux drivers for my video?
[10:22] <membreya> thoreauputic: another good site is http://www.panikon.com/phurba/alteng/
[10:23] <_bryan> everything is onboard via Asus P4R800-VM
[10:23] <_bryan> ATI Radeon 9100 IGP
[10:25] <crimsun> _bryan: hoary has a version of the ATI drivers that support hardware accelerated 3D
[10:25] <crimsun> err, apologies.
[10:25] <crimsun> the release notes say only 2D support
[10:26] <crimsun> http://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/linux_8.10.19.html
[10:32] <f00f_bug> i seem to be having troubles with xmms... i cant seem to play any files, its says the sound card is blocked. the music player packaged with ubuntu works fine.. i was wondering if anyone had any suggestions
[10:32] <crimsun> f00f_bug: change the output plugin to esound
[10:33] <f00f_bug> crimsun: oh my, i could have swore i tried that! :] 
[10:33] <thoreauputic> hypatia: someone with your nick comes here from Canada - travelling, or different person?
[10:33] <basse> f00f_bug: !
[10:34] <hypatia> thoreauputic: different person. Are you talking about hypa7ia?
[10:34] <thoreauputic> ah - I see
[10:35] <hypatia> thoreauputic: I've had this nick registered on freenode since 99 or so.
[10:35] <thoreauputic> yes, hypa7ia indeed
[10:35] <thoreauputic> OK
[10:35] <thoreauputic> :)
[10:35] <hypatia> I don't think I've been here at the same time as hypa7ia, but people mention her/him :)
[10:36] <thoreauputic> hypatia: her
[10:36] <daniels> there can only be one
[10:36] <hypatia> I would guess that, but some people occasionally refer to me as "him" as well, so I thought there was an outside possibility of there being a male version of this nick :)
[10:37] <waseem> what is the bash command to delete a file/directory?
[10:37] <hypatia> daniels: who is the fastest draw on nickserv kill, that's the question...
[10:37] <thoreauputic> hypatia: and neither of you are from Alexandria :)
[10:37] <hypatia> waseem: rm
[10:37] <waseem> thanks hypatia
[10:38] <hypatia> waseem: "rm -rf [directory name] " to delete a non-empty directory, but make sure you get [directory name]  right ;)
[10:38] <hypatia> thoreauputic: first one there wins.
[10:39] <waseem> hypatia: it does not prompt to me answer whether or not i am sure i want to remove a directory, but it does when i want to remove a file
[10:39] <waseem> any reason for this?
[10:39] <membreya> hypatia isn't it rm -Rf ?
[10:40] <waseem> -rf worked for me
[10:40] <tranceConscious> how do i upgrade warty to hoary with synaptic???
[10:41] <membreya> tranceConscious: edit your /etc/apt/sources.lst and make all refs to warty > hoary
[10:41] <hypatia> membreya: -r and -R both mean "recursive"
[10:42] <thoreauputic> waseem: possibly you have an alias for rm that makes it rm -i
[10:42] <membreya> force of habit to use -R :P
[10:42] <thoreauputic> waseem: type ` alias` to see
[10:42] <waseem> utic waseem: type ` alias` to see
[10:42] <waseem> alias cp='cp -i'
[10:42] <waseem> alias ls='ls --color=auto'
[10:42] <waseem> alias mv='mv -i'
[10:42] <waseem> alias rm='rm -i'
[10:42] <membreya> there u go :)
[10:43] <membreya> they're all interactive :)
[10:43] <waseem> hmm so what does it mean if i have an alias of rm -i
[10:43] <tranceConscious> membreya: I 've had this question a long time now. Does that upgrade the kernel as well or do I have to do the kernel upgrade manually???
[10:43] <waseem> like what made it an alias
[10:43] <thoreauputic> waseem: -i means it asks each time
[10:43] <hypatia> tranceConscious: In synaptics preferences, edit any of the http://...ubuntu.com lines that have warty in them
[10:43] <waseem> but it didnt ask when i wanted to delete the directory
[10:43] <hypatia> tranceConscious: change all occurences of 'warty' to 'hoary'
[10:44] <hypatia> tranceConscious: that's the same as editing /etc/apt/sources.list directly.
[10:44] <thoreauputic> waseem: no, because you used -rf and f "forces" it
[10:44] <waseem> oh ok
[10:44] <waseem> thanks
[10:44] <thoreauputic> waseem: -rf should be used with care
[10:44] <thoreauputic> for obvious reasons
[10:45] <membreya> rm -rf / :P
[10:45] <thoreauputic> membreya: don't even write it - someone might *do* it!
[10:45] <membreya> :(
[10:46] <Myrtti> indeed
[10:46] <Myrtti> /me slaps membreya around a bit with a good old Win98 install floppy pack
[10:46] <waseem> membreya: i typed in rm -rf / and everythings screwing up
[10:46] <tranceConscious> membreya: I 've had this question a long time now. Does that upgrade the kernel as well or do I have to do the kernel upgrade manually???
[10:46] <tranceConscious> membreya: I 've had this question a long time now. Does that upgrade the kernel as well or do I have to do the kernel upgrade manually???
[10:46] <waseem> oh my god
[10:46] <waseem> whats happening
[10:46] <hypatia> [danger]  "rm -rf ." and "rm -rf ~" are the more common lethal ones when you're not logged in as root...
[10:46] <thoreauputic> heh... I guess most people wouldn't even know what "six of the best" means any more
[10:47] <membreya> nope :P
[10:47] <helloyo> i sure don't
[10:47] <Myrtti> waseem: for real?
[10:47] <hypatia> tranceConscious: if you've got linux-ARCH (eg linux-686, linux-k7, linux-powerpc) installed, the kernel will upgrade automatically.
[10:47] <waseem> no
[10:47] <Myrtti> phew
[10:47] <waseem> but it would suck if i really did it, huh
[10:47] <thoreauputic> waseem: I've seen it happen...
[10:47] <membreya> can't find it in my etymology pages thoreauputic :P
[10:47] <Myrtti> thoreauputic: me too
[10:47] <waseem> that would really suck
[10:48] <thoreauputic> membreya: schoolmasters used to say it - six cuts of the cane
[10:48] <tranceConscious> hypatia: how do i check which linux-ARCH I 've got???
[10:48] <waseem> if you have everything backed up it wouldnt be too bad because installing ubuntu isnt very hard
[10:48] <membreya> ouch :P
[10:48] <thoreauputic> uname -m
[10:48] <Myrtti> a channel where I was on as a op had a rule that everyone that suggested doing rm -rf / to a newbie was banned for two weeks
[10:48] <thoreauputic> tranceConscious: uname -m was for you
[10:48] <waseem> this kind of reminds me, have any of you heard that aol_call that tells people over the phone to type something into the command line
[10:49] <waseem> that deletes everything on their computer
[10:49] <membreya> tranceConscious: cat /proc/version :)
[10:49] <tranceConscious> i686
[10:49] <hypatia> Myrtti: It'd be a violation of the Ubuntu community code of conduct I'd think (or at least, it doesn't sound considerate to me!)
[10:49] <tranceConscious> does that mean that when I change my sources and do the upgrade the kernel will upgrade automatically?
[10:49] <thoreauputic> tranceConscious: well, that's your answer
[10:50] <hypatia> tranceConscious: check if you've got the linux-686 package installed.
[10:50] <hypatia> tranceConscious: if so, yes. if not, install it and it will be upgraded in future.
[10:50] <waseem> is there any way to manually stop a command?
[10:50] <thoreauputic> waseem: ctrl -C
[10:50] <membreya> waseem: ctrl_c
[10:50] <waseem> like if i did accidently type in rm -rf /
[10:50] <waseem> ok
[10:50] <membreya> :P
[10:50] <membreya> :|
[10:50] <membreya> what have I done? :|
[10:50] <membreya> lol
[10:51] <membreya> hmmmm cat /proc/version gives gcc version 3.3.5 yet gcc -v gives gcc version 3.4.4
[10:51] <thoreauputic> waseem: by the time you typed that, half your /etc/dir would be gone, probably
[10:51] <waseem> haha ya...but its worth a shot i guess
[10:51] <hyphen> omg
[10:52] <hyphen> wine is giving me a headache
[10:52] <membreya> hyphen: don't drink so much then
[10:52] <membreya> or drink it with a glass of water on the side
[10:52] <thoreauputic> waseem: yes, and I've seen a debian woody install resurrected from exactly that scenario
[10:52] <hyphen> haha
[10:52] <hyphen> cant get this damn thing to work properly
[10:52] <hyphen> its making me sad in the pants
[10:52] <waseem> ive grown to love linux.
[10:53] <waseem> but i kinda hate it at the same time...
[10:53] <membreya> mwuahaha another foolish convertee
[10:53] <waseem> because a lot of the hardware i have doesnt work
[10:53] <membreya> waseem: why because it makes your head work ?
[10:53] <waseem> unless i type billions of commands
[10:53] <Myrtti> hypatia: perhaps so, but we didn't want people shouting out "good" advices like that. Other good advices that deserved the giver to be banned were "alt+f4", "which one won, /quit or /part?", "goatse", "tubgirl" and etc.
[10:53] <waseem> membreya: ya windows slowly makes everyone dumber and dumber
[10:53] <waseem> its a big chance
[10:53] <waseem> change*
[10:53] <Myrtti> perhaps not for weeks, but for some time
[10:53] <waseem> but some things are simply not compatible with linux
[10:53] <membreya> hmmm I don't think linux itself has billions and billions of lines of code
[10:54] <Myrtti> linux is the kernel, n'est pas?
[10:54] <hypatia> Myrtti: Um, I don't what you're trying to tell me.
[10:54] <hypatia> Myrtti: I'm not saying the banning would be against the code of conduct (although it might be).
[10:54] <waseem> haha welll when you first see linux and someone working with it, you start to think in the billions range
[10:54] <tranceConscious> I want to set up my ubuntu here in the office as a fileserver for my windows network. how do I create windows shares??? (I have all packages that say samba in synaptic)
[10:54] <membreya> wow Myrtti ...www.goatse.cx is a site I haven't heard in ages :P
[10:54] <hypatia> Myrtti: I'm saying that giving dumb/evil advice like "rm -rf /" would be!
[10:54] <Myrtti> yes
[10:55] <tranceConscious> and something else, is there a gui for configuring samba in x???
[10:55] <hyphen> i got another question
[10:55] <Myrtti> yet, some people seem to be childish enough to play around with something like that :->
[10:55] <membreya> tranceConscious: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#sambaserver
[10:55] <membreya> other thing you can use to admin it is webmin
[10:55] <hyphen> everytime i reboot, the nameservers i add get deleted
[10:55] <hyphen> how do i get them to stay?
[10:55] <waseem> the thing with linux is everything starts from scratch
[10:55] <thoreauputic> tranceConscious: loats of info on http://ubuntuguide.org
[10:55] <waseem> you need to isntall every driver
[10:55] <helloyo> i have a fresh warty warthog install, and openoffice doesn't work (setup.bin not found)
[10:56] <waseem> i still havent gotten my webcam and ipod to work
[10:56] <thoreauputic> waseem: no you don't!
[10:56] <membreya> waseem: good luck with your webcam :P
[10:56] <waseem> and plugins for movies in browsers are external
[10:56] <waseem> they dont play in the browser
[10:56] <Hannes_> iPod is quite easy
[10:56] <thoreauputic> waseem: I haven't needed to install *any* drivers on this machine
[10:56] <waseem> hannes: would you mind help me set it up?
[10:56] <azriel0184> i was at school once and we were setting up linux boxes and the teacher told me to remove linux from it and i thought right... "rm -rf /"
[10:57] <azriel0184> its interesting to watch
[10:57] <Hannes_> why to play media in a browser? It's ment to browse web pages, or?
[10:57] <aspro> ipod with usb cord is a sinch, plug it in then modify gtkpod to see the auto-mounted location
[10:57] <waseem> thoreauputic: the only thing that was simple was connecting my digital camera to my computer and importing photos
[10:57] <waseem> other than that its difficult
[10:57] <azriel0184> another good one is "rm -rfv /" [warning: dont do this]  :)
[10:58] <Hannes_> or just "rm -rf *" in /
[10:58] <thoreauputic> azriel0184: so you can watch the disaster unfold before your eyes?
[10:58] <waseem> aspro: i downloaded gtkpod, and connected my ipod, but the system did not recognize it
[10:58] <waseem> im gonna work with it tomorrow though
[10:58] <azriel0184> thoreauputic, why not?
[10:58] <aspro> usb cord?
[10:58] <aspro> or firewire
[10:58] <waseem> usb
[10:58] <aspro> firewire takes some hassle
[10:58] <membreya> waseem: that will teach you to be a yuppie with an iPod :P
[10:58] <waseem> membreya: haha i know but i love the thing
[10:58] <waseem> i did not get it because everyone else got one
[10:58] <waseem> well at least i like to believe that
[10:58] <thoreauputic> azriel0184: interesting in a twisted kind of way, yeah ... hehe
[10:59] <aspro> ihave gotten every one (excl. photo) since gen 2
[10:59] <stefanomasini> I just installed ubuntu. it didn't ask for a root password. how can I log in as root?
[10:59] <azriel0184> well i had the computer and some free time... so why not...
[10:59] <Hannes_> stefanomasini: sudo
[10:59] <thoreauputic> stefanomasini: you don't - you use sudo
[10:59] <azriel0184> i killed it half way through.... NOTHING worked... :P
[10:59] <stefanomasini> ouch
[10:59] <azriel0184> /bin is the first thing to go...
[10:59] <thoreauputic> stefanomasini: with your user password
[10:59] <stefanomasini> i didnt' try that...
[10:59] <Hannes_> thoreauputic: 1159.22 < Hannes_> stefanomasini: sudo
[10:59] <stefanomasini> thanks!
[11:00] <waseem> when i set up my root password i just typed in passwd
[11:00] <waseem> and then said su
[11:00] <membreya> hmmm has anyone here gotten qtparted working?
[11:00] <thoreauputic> Hannes_: yes, I'm a slow typist - your point?
[11:01] <waseem> hahah
[11:01] <Hannes_> thoreauputic: no, just tought you don't read anything
[11:02] <thoreauputic> Hannes_: no, I'm just not a touch typist
[11:02] <thoreauputic> Hannes_: while you were typing I was looking down
[11:02] <Myrtti> nitpickers
[11:02] <Myrtti> move on
[11:02] <waseem> haha wow an argument over something so little
[11:02] <topyli> heh
[11:03] <thoreauputic> hmm... I wasn't arguing - merely explaining...
[11:03] <topyli> this really is a premium channel for technical discussion :)
[11:03] <YankDownUnder> Is beer technical?
[11:03] <waseem> ok heres a stupid question, maybe one of you could answer it. I want to add nicotine to the panel, but i cant locate the file
[11:03] <thoreauputic> can be...
[11:03] <waseem> i usually just type it in the command line
[11:03] <Myrtti> topyli: yes, quite good one. I've seen worse, lot worse. And you've probably tried those
[11:04] <Myrtti> if I guess correctly
[11:04] <waseem> any ideas on how i can add it to the panel?
[11:04] <topyli> Myrtti: i'm only kidding :)
[11:04] <Myrtti> topyli: perhaps, but there is a teeny weeny bit of truth in that
[11:05] <helloyo> could some-one help me with my fresh 4.10 install? openoffice won't work
[11:05] <Myrtti> no newbie bashing here
[11:05] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: well, only occasionally, anyway ;-)
[11:06] <mirak> why does ubuntu ppc on macintosh tries to install quik boot loader instead of Yaboot ?
[11:06] <topyli> Myrtti: flames do burst on the best of channels and newsgroups and mailing lists, even #ubuntu
[11:06] <topyli> natural
[11:06] <Myrtti> topyli: and some channels are nothing but flamebaits
[11:06] <Myrtti> try IRCNets #linux.fi
[11:06] <Jergosh_S> Suppose I'm writing a Linux basics course for teachers and I want to include screenshots from Ubuntu (login screen etc), since I recommend it. Do I have ask for permission (and whom)?
[11:06] <Myrtti> first class newbie bashing
[11:06] <azriel0184> Myrtti, sorry, but you will always get newbie bashing
[11:07] <thoreauputic> helloyo: have you tried typing, in  a terminal  ` oowriter` ?
[11:07] <topyli> Myrtti: i'm on #linux.fi right now. it doesn't have much to do with linux
[11:07] <azriel0184> and what sort of support do ou get if you know what you rar doing?
[11:07] <helloyo> thoreauputic, yep, it says setup.bin cannot be found, and it isn't there
[11:07] <thoreauputic> hmmm
[11:08] <helloyo> remove it, and download it?
[11:08] <thoreauputic> helloyo: same if you type ` openoffice` ?
[11:08] <Myrtti> well, as always, your mileage may vary
[11:09] <helloyo> thoreauputic, yeah
[11:09] <waseem> ok I have a  TI-89 Titanium, how do i transfer programs onto the calculator using the TI connect program?
[11:09] <topyli> Myrtti: #linux.fi is a bunch of old friends chatting away. if you bother them with a linux question, they will make an example out of you :)
[11:09] <thoreauputic> helloyo: try ` sudo dpkg-reconfigure openoffice.org `
[11:10] <helloyo> thoreauputic, still the same
[11:10] <waseem> does anyone here use the Texas Instruments calculators?
[11:10] <Myrtti> topyli: I'd leave that smiley off, or change it to :-/
[11:10] <helloyo> it only updated the dictionary
[11:11] <thoreauputic> helloyo: hmm ... sudo apt-get install --reinstall openoffice.org
[11:11] <Myrtti> well, it's a good thing I've found other ways of asking assistance with my computer problems
[11:11] <thoreauputic> helloyo: worth a shot..
[11:11] <topyli> ooh! there's an interesting note in the release notes for gnome-games 2.10: in iagno, "the AI player no longer cheats". and how i've wondered about my poor success ;)
[11:12] <helloyo> thoreauputic, yeah, will that download it?
[11:12] <thoreauputic> helloyo: no, just reinstall it from cache
[11:12] <Myrtti> ok, time to go to crocery store
[11:13] <thoreauputic> unless you've wiped the cache of course...
[11:13] <Myrtti> ta-ta, folks
[11:13] <thoreauputic> bye Myrtti
[11:13] <topyli> Myrtti: yeah, forget #linux.fi unless you joined the channel two years ago or something. its name is deceiving, it has (d)evolved into something completely different
[11:14] <waseem> Hi, Im using a TI-89 Titanium, what program do I use to transfer programs onto the calculator? Should I just download the TI connect software for mac?
[11:15] <eric> lu all
[11:17] <airox> hi eric
[11:17] <azriel0184> waseem, you might be able to force it to run on linux... dunno though
[11:17] <eric> they debian is not ubuntu
[11:17] <eric> i just want to use linux .. can i without fighting ?
[11:18] <aspro> ....
[11:18] <airox> waseem: http://tilp.info/ check that site out
[11:18] <airox> ?
[11:18] <thoreauputic> eric: you tried #debian, I'm guessing...
[11:18] <eric> :)
[11:18] <topyli> eric: using linux is easier if you don't fight it :)
[11:18] <thoreauputic> eric: you won't have to fight here
[11:18] <eric> ok so i'll stay here
[11:19] <thoreauputic> eric: if you're using ubuntu, yes, welcome
[11:20] <waseem> ok well i downloaded the mac program onto my computer
[11:20] <waseem> now how do i force it to work?
[11:20] <airox> ...
[11:20] <thoreauputic> waseem: give it a stern lecture?
[11:20] <topyli> waseem: is it source?
[11:21] <waseem> topyli: .dmg file
[11:21] <airox> waseem: http://www.ticalc.org/pub/unix/
[11:21] <waseem> thanks
[11:21] <topyli> waseem: you need source, mac binaries won't work
[11:22] <waseem> airox: there are a bunch of files, but no TI connect software
[11:22] <waseem> do you know where i can get that
[11:23] <eric> i think a lot of person install debian just to say " i use debian " not really to use it . so the question is what are they doing on debian. do they run programs ? :))
[11:23] <airox> waseem: http://tilp.info/about.html
[11:23] <membreya> eric: I run ubuntu because I prefer my machine to be stable :) ...and I have no real need for windows because I don't play most of the games
[11:23] <eric> they just wach the screen and say " yes it's debian"
[11:23] <airox> eric: I guess they run servers then ?
[11:24] <airox> :)
[11:24] <eric> maybe :)
[11:24] <helloyo> how do i change the resolution of gdm?
[11:24] <airox> helloyo: gdm or X ?
[11:24] <topyli> eric: there are lots of reasons to run debian. for example, it's the best distribution. :) ubuntu is just a nicer way to run up-to-date debian without the worries of unstable
[11:24] <eric> membreya : there is a lot of games on linux platform too
[11:24] <membreya> helloyo: System > Preferences > Screen resolution
[11:24] <helloyo> membreya, yeah, its fine in gnome, but gdm is set too high
[11:25] <membreya> eric: I like the little mindless games that linux has :)
[11:25] <membreya> edit your xorg.conf then ?
[11:25] <thoreauputic> membreya: that makes sense...
[11:25] <eric> i love Enemy territory i play it every nite
[11:25] <membreya> shush thoreauputic :)
[11:25] <eric> the best free online game i think
[11:25] <thoreauputic> membreya: ;-)
[11:26] <topyli> eric: ET is free?
[11:26] <airox> topyli: yep
[11:27] <eric> i don't know wich licence they use
[11:27] <topyli> hmm. i had no idea :)
[11:27] <eric> but you can download and play for free
[11:27] <eric> but it's not the right channel to talk about enemy territory :)
[11:27] <eric> just shut up
[11:28] <topyli> heh
[11:28] <waseem> airox: http://tilp.info/downloads.html there are two files i can download from
[11:28] <waseem> whcih one should i choose?
[11:28] <airox> waseem: I guess both.
[11:28] <waseem> how do i open the .tar.gz files?
[11:29] <azriel0184> waseem, either with file-roller or tar -xzf
[11:32] <waseem> waseem@waseem:~/Desktop$ ./configure tilp-6.77
[11:32] <waseem> bash: ./configure: No such file or directory
[11:33] <waseem> i dont understand, it should be finding tilp-6.77
[11:33] <thoreauputic> waseem: you need to cd to the directory created by the untarring
[11:33] <goldfish_> waseem: Did it download to the Desktop directory?
[11:33] <goldfish_> yes
[11:33] <waseem> yes
[11:33] <goldfish_> what he said
[11:33] <waseem> its in the Desktop
[11:33] <waseem> waseem@waseem:~/Desktop$ ls
[11:33] <waseem> 2002_mbs.pdf  javambs82802_17390.zip  tilp-6.77
[11:33] <waseem> JavaMBS       tilp-1.tar.gz           tilp.tar.gz
[11:33] <waseem> waseem@waseem:~/Desktop$
[11:33] <goldfish_> yah, ignore that
[11:33] <goldfish_> cd tilp-6.77
[11:34] <waseem> oh ok thanks goldfish
[11:34] <ceu> can I use firefox 1.0.1 from hoary on warty?
[11:34] <goldfish_> waseem: thoreauputic's suggestion :)
[11:34] <waseem> haha i mean, thanks toreauputic
[11:34] <ceu> warty-backports doesn't include the latest firefox version :-(
[11:34] <thoreauputic> waseem: team effort ;)
[11:35] <waseem> right.
[11:35] <jdub> ceu: you're better off upgrading to hoary
[11:35] <jdub> ceu: but if you've used backports on warty, then you're better off installing from scratch
[11:35] <eric> ceu : download the firefox web site version
[11:35] <airox> Yeah, just download the binary from mozilla.or
[11:35] <airox> g
[11:35] <waseem> 2. Type `make' to compile the package.
[11:35] <waseem> waseem@waseem:~/Desktop/tilp-6.77$ make
[11:35] <waseem> make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
[11:36] <waseem> what should i target?
[11:36] <thoreauputic> ceu: unless you are in the habit of clicking on "update your paypal details!" links, you probably don't need the latest security update for firefox
[11:36] <airox> heheh thoreauputic
[11:36] <airox> secunia test ? :)
[11:37] <ceu> thoreauputic: I don't like non having the latest security fix :-)
[11:37] <waseem> anyone know what i should type in?
[11:37] <thoreauputic> waseem: did ./configure run?
[11:37] <waseem> ya its done
[11:37] <ceu> is it difficult to obtain a deb package from firefox sources?
[11:38] <ceu> or it's already debianized?
[11:38] <eric> you dot not have to debianized it
[11:38] <thoreauputic> waseem: did you read the README or INSTALL files in the package? Might be a different installation command...
[11:38] <eric> just download the binary it will run perfectly
[11:38] <waseem>   2. Type `make' to compile the package.
[11:38] <waseem> thats what it says
[11:38] <waseem> and i did that
[11:39] <thoreauputic> odd.. it can't find a makefile
[11:39] <eric> we're talking about firefox not internet explorer
[11:39] <waseem> ah so i guess it wont install then?
[11:39] <waseem> wait
[11:39] <waseem> there is a Makefile.am
[11:39] <waseem> and a Makefile.in
[11:40] <thoreauputic> waseem: have you installed build-essential?
[11:40] <waseem> not that i know of
[11:40] <waseem> how do i do that
[11:40] <thoreauputic> waseem: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[11:40] <thoreauputic> waseem: do it
[11:41] <thoreauputic> waseem: gives you a sane build environment
[11:41] <waseem> its already been installed
[11:41] <thoreauputic> hmm
[11:42] <waseem> wait
[11:42] <waseem> do i need to be root?
[11:42] <waseem> to type make?
[11:42] <thoreauputic> no
[11:42] <waseem> Type "make", "make install" (requires the root privileges).
[11:42] <waseem> thats in the readme
[11:42] <waseem> not in the install file though
[11:42] <thoreauputic> for make install you need root privileges, but not to compile (make)
[11:42] <waseem> oh ok
[11:43] <waseem> so any ideas on what i cand o?
[11:43] <waseem> do*
[11:43] <thoreauputic> waseem: ./configure gave no errors?
[11:43] <waseem> let me read over it
[11:43] <thoreauputic> there should be a config.log or something there
[11:44] <waseem> No package 'ticables' found
[11:44] <waseem> that is the only thing that i found that seemed weird
[11:44] <waseem> but i dont think that should have an affect on the installation
[11:44] <thoreauputic> waseem: and it didn't end with "exiting with error 2 " or something similar?
[11:45] <waseem> thoreaputic: no
[11:46] <thoreauputic> waseem: well, I don't know why it hasn't found a usable makefile... odd indeed
[11:46] <waseem> well, maybe this might be the problem
[11:46] <waseem> there were two files i needed to download
[11:46] <waseem> i downloaded them both
[11:46] <waseem> but i didnt untar the other one
[11:47] <waseem> do i need to do that?
[11:47] <thoreauputic> waseem: possibly you are doing it in the wrong order, if this one depends on the other (guessing)
[11:48] <waseem> hmm well i tried to untar the other one
[11:48] <waseem> no errors
[11:48] <waseem> but there is no new folder on the Desktop
[11:48] <thoreauputic> waseem: from what you said, you don't yet have an actual Makefile
[11:49] <waseem> it has a Makefile.am and a Makefile.in
[11:49] <thoreauputic> waseem: is there a mess of files instead?
[11:49] <waseem> no
[11:49] <thoreauputic> waseem: yes but not the actual makefile
[11:49] <waseem> oh
[11:49] <thoreauputic> waseem: are ther any instructions on the website?
[11:50] <waseem> http://tilp.info/downloads.html
[11:50] <waseem> not any that i found
[11:50] <thoreauputic> waseem: otherwise it's time to hone your g00gle Sk1LLz
[11:51] <waseem> agh ok
[11:51] <waseem> so should i search for a makefile?
[11:51] <thoreauputic> no
[11:51] <waseem> or the program?
[11:51] <thoreauputic> search for other people who have tried the procedure
[11:51] <thoreauputic> e.g. in google groups
[11:51] <lunitik> waseem: any reason you aren't getting it via synaptic? 'sudo apt-get install tilp'  :/
[11:52] <lunitik> waseem: it says right on the site that its in the archive!
[11:52] <waseem> let me try that
[11:52] <thoreauputic> lunitik: argggh - I didn't know it was available! Thanks
[11:52] <waseem> omfg
[11:52] <waseem> lunitik: thanks, that saved me a lot of time
[11:53] <lunitik> waseem: funny how reading usually does do that...
[11:53] <waseem> haha dont make fun of me
[11:53] <waseem> im new to this
[11:53] <waseem> windows made everything too easy
[11:53] <airox> ;)
[11:53] <lunitik> thoreauputic: from the download site he just pasted:  'For Debian packages, they are on the CDs/Internet.'
[11:54] <lunitik> ie, in apt....
[11:54] <thoreauputic> lunitik: oh - so even more obvious then...
[11:54] <lunitik> thoreauputic: yeah...
[11:55] <lunitik> waseem: windows makes nothing easier... except maybe getting spyware and the such... you're just more used to it... trust me, when you get used to Debian, you will think Windows is braindead...
[11:55] <Blackice1963> lol
[11:55] <goldfish_> hehe
[11:56] <goldfish_> yes, windows will become your hate in life
[11:56] <goldfish_> And you will hate Bill Gates.
[11:56] <Blackice1963> thats right lol
[11:56] <Blackice1963> deb is the best
[11:58] <Kaww> www.otomotivshow.com   WEBSITE HOSTING RESELLER
[11:58] <daniels> sigh
[12:01] <eric> jesus_ is now known as jesus_detached : muhahah : are you really jesus muhahaha
[12:01] <eric> do you met him ?
[12:01] <eric> muhahah
[12:01] <topyli> jesus rules
[12:02] <snowblink> website design winners are up. I like Brad's. I wonder how long before they implement.
[12:03] <topyli> i assume the hoary installer won't autodetect serial devices like irda dongles?
[12:06] <FeliXDZ> Hello. I dist-upgraded to hoary and it appears I have lost my sound. Is this unusual?
[12:07] <waseem> ok im trying to transfer a program onto my calculator
[12:07] <Moiana> greetings!
[12:07] <waseem> but it doesnt recognize the .zip file
[12:08] <Moiana> is there a way to restore the functionality of pressing CTRL+ALT+[F1-F12]  to switch to the console virtual terminals?? I am using Ubuntu Hoary with x.org, but I cant figure how to switch to console now
[12:08] <HrdwrBoB> Moiana: it's the sam
[12:08] <HrdwrBoB> e
[12:08] <waseem> ok how do i make the computer recognize my ti89 so that tilp will work
[12:09] <Moiana> HrdwrBoB : I press CTRL+ALT+F1, it doesnt send me back to the console. I know of at least one other person who has had the same problems (he was running Ubuntu packages on top of a Debian system)
[12:10] <waseem> how do i unzip a file
[12:10] <HrdwrBoB> hrm ok
[12:10] <goldfish_> waseem: unzip
[12:10] <HrdwrBoB> have you looked at bug reports?
[12:10] <HrdwrBoB> there might be a big files
[12:10] <HrdwrBoB> bug filed
[12:10] <HrdwrBoB> if not, file one :)
[12:10] <Moiana> waseem: check if you have the "unzip" program by trying to execute it. If you don't, apt-get install unzip :)
[12:10] <waseem> goldfish_: ya i just tried that
[12:10] <goldfish_> work?
[12:10] <waseem> exit
[12:11] <biatche> i wanna give ubuntu a try... is it better to begin with hoary or warty?
[12:11] <netpuppy> does the default ubuntu amd64 kernel contain any patches?
[12:11] <thoreauputic> biatche: warty
[12:11] <netpuppy> or is it a plain vanilla?
[12:11] <waseem> hmm my computer does not seem to be recognizing my calculator
[12:12] <lunitik> netpuppy: yes, it contains a few patches etc.
[12:12] <waseem> do i need to mount it?
[12:12] <topyli> netpuppy: the ubuntu kernels have many patches
[12:12] <Moiana> HrdwrBoB : looking for bugtrack on homepage to do that :)
[12:12] <thoreauputic> biatche: hoary is still in development
[12:12] <goldfish_> biatche: hoary isnt stable until april, so maybe warty , but alot of ppl are running hoary with no problems already
[12:12] <netpuppy> topyli, where can I find them?
[12:12] <topyli> netpuppy: dunno, debian has a package called debian-patches or something, but i don't think ubuntu has one
[12:12] <waseem> ...
[12:12] <waseem> anyone please help
[12:13] <lunitik> waseem: most people aren't familier with tilp, I haven't even considered plugin a T1 calc to my computer... don't see the point really   :/
[12:13] <thoreauputic> waseem: look at the output of dmesg after you plug it in and see what it's recognised as
[12:13] <biatche> warty looks like it has lots of out of date stuff... hrm... but hrm, how does ubuntu maintain their package tree? they throw in latest stuff? well... for instance, gcc = 3.3.4 in warty... there gcc 3.4.3 for warty?
[12:14] <soulhack> the basic installation guide, from WinXP to Ubuntu, where can I find this? Is it this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2005-02-28.6671204877
[12:14] <topyli> biatche: no, warty has what warty has
[12:14] <waseem> thanks thoreauputik
[12:14] <lunitik> netpuppy: you should be able to find info in the docs in /usr/share/doc/kernel-image-`uname -r`/
[12:14] <thoreauputic> biatche: if you want the latest, hoary
[12:14] <biatche> is hoary buggy?
[12:14] <topyli> probaly :)
[12:15] <lunitik> biatche: not really.
[12:15] <goldfish_> soulhack: the installaton cd is fairly straight forward
[12:15] <biatche> ok hmm..
[12:15] <topyli> biatche: the "preview" of warty should be out this wednesday, so i guess it's in pretty good shape by then
[12:15] <biatche> u mean hoary
[12:15] <topyli> biatche: i mean hoary of course
[12:15] <goldfish_> heh
[12:15] <soulhack> i am completely new to linux, so I did have some troubles with getting stuff right to be honest.
[12:15] <lunitik> biatche: imo, its no more unstable than warty right now... most packages contained are getting stable upstream etc.
[12:15] <soulhack> I didnt find any guide on the cd
[12:16] <topyli> soulhack: all the docs are at the website
[12:16] <soulhack> yea, i am looking atm
[12:16] <johnnybezak> have any of you guys tried out beagle on ubuntu?
[12:17] <goldfish_> soulhack: oh right, sorry
[12:17] <lunitik> soulhack: 'throw in the cd, restart, follow instruction, make custom partitioning to account for windows'...
[12:17] <topyli> windows who?
[12:17] <lunitik> johnnybezak: I have successfully avoided Mono so far...
[12:17] <lunitik> topyli: shutup
[12:17] <soulhack> okay, when i dl ubuntu- i rar the stuff into a folder and burn it on disk, right? Then i have the install-CD?
[12:17] <lunitik> :P
[12:17] <johnnybezak> lunitik: haha
[12:18] <thoreauputic> soulhack: no, you burn the iso as is
[12:18] <goldfish_> soulhack: you burn the iso
[12:18] <topyli> oh, I can't hold it! i've never been quiet for such a long time!
[12:18] <lunitik> topyli: haha... I have that problem too  :P
[12:19] <thoreauputic> soulhack: "burn as image" or similar
[12:19] <soulhack> ah, my winRAR is set to open ISO-Files when i click them- never realized it was an ISO-file, that helps a lot
[12:20] <topyli> hmm. winrar is developing an intelligence that scares me :)
[12:20] <error_29> thoreauputic - re burning images -- do you happen to know if choosing "disc-at-once" vs "track-at-once" makes a difference?
[12:20] <soulhack> well, windows have this little thing that removes filendings unless enabled ;)
[12:20] <lunitik> error_29: not when there is only one file...
[12:20] <error_29> reason I ask is, while ubuntu installs fine from my discs, other debian distros have not, on my laptop
[12:21] <topyli> error_29: might be the smart installer
[12:21] <thoreauputic> soulhack: windows has many "little things" of that helpful kind </sarcasm>
[12:21] <soulhack> haha
[12:22] <soulhack> how big partition do i need for Ubuntu?
[12:22] <lunitik> soulhack: 1.7 gigs
[12:22] <StoffBox-Steve> Hi :D
[12:22] <lunitik> StoffBox-Steve: hi
[12:22] <error_29> topyli, smart installer?
[12:22] <soulhack> okay, 7gb (my old windows partition) is overkill?
[12:22] <lunitik> soulhack: recommend at least 3 though
[12:22] <thoreauputic> soulhack: give yourself a few gigs extra...
[12:22] <lunitik> soulhack: else there is no room for play, thats no good  :P
[12:22] <topyli> soulhack: my HUGE installation is 4.6G but the default install should fit in 2 or so
[12:22] <lunitik> soulhack: sorta... would be ok though
[12:23] <thoreauputic> soulhack: 7gig is OK
[12:23] <soulhack> i want play, so i'll go with my old 7gig
[12:23] <error_29> 7 gigs!
[12:23] <soulhack> i've got plenty!
[12:23] <FeliXDZ> Since dist-upgrading to hoary I have been listening to the sound of silence...
[12:23] <thoreauputic> soulhack: 10 or 15 would be nicer
[12:23] <topyli> error_29: perhaps the good folks at ubuntu have injected extra smartness to debian-installer
[12:23] <lunitik> topyli: its exactly 1.7 gigs.... trust me... its one of the first things I check out with new distro's... ;P
[12:23] <topyli> ok :)
[12:23] <lunitik> topyli: not really... they hide like half the options, but thats about it...
[12:24] <lunitik> FeliXDZ: try restarting  :/
[12:24] <soulhack> i should remove windows before installing Ubuntu, right?
[12:24] <topyli> well then it might indeed be the cd's
[12:24] <FeliXDZ> Not the Simon and Garfunkel version but rather no noise comes out my speakers. They worked well in Warty.
[12:24] <error_29> (me, I used my extra drive space to set up extra partitions so I could "reinstall" ubuntu without removing what I've got.  5 gigs each seems ok for now)
[12:24] <lunitik> soulhack: nah... no need
[12:24] <waseem> Ok, in the FAQ for tilp, it shows me what to do for the following question i have
[12:24] <topyli> soulhack: if you don't need windows, the installer will remove it
[12:24] <waseem> Q: Ok, tilp works now, but I get this error when I try to access the calc :
[12:24] <FeliXDZ> lunitik, Do you mean rebooting or something else?
[12:24] <soulhack> ah, awesome.
[12:24] <waseem> Msg: Timeout occured while reading to the device.
[12:24] <waseem> Cause: Check that your link cable is plugged and/or the calculator is ready.
[12:24] <waseem> System: Permission denied (errno = 13)
[12:24] <waseem> A: Check nodes permissions (/dev/ttySx).
[12:25] <thoreauputic> soulhack: you won't get any argument about removing windows here...
[12:25] <waseem> there is not directory for that though
[12:25] <lunitik> FeliXDZ: yes... thats what I mean... it seems to fix most sound issues... as annoying as it may be  :/
[12:25] <waseem> any ideas?
[12:25] <soulhack> i want windows as far gone as possible
[12:25] <soulhack> it's like pop-music
[12:25] <soulhack> once you get fed up
[12:25] <soulhack> you never wanna hear it again
[12:26] <waseem> ...can any of you guys help with my problem?
[12:26] <StoffBox-Steve> ;) soulhack
[12:26] <FeliXDZ> I have been checking the forums.It seems to be a common problem. lunitik I have already rebooted more than once.
[12:26] <error_29> I see, topyli... but weirdly, this only happens with my laptop.  Maybe a flaw with my cd-rom; other debian stuff insists the drive isn't mounted, even though it's been installing from that drive all along
[12:26] <topyli> soulhack: well, just install ubuntu and tell it to use all your space
[12:26] <lunitik> soulhack: the installer, by default I think, will get rid of it...
[12:26] <soulhack> neato
[12:27] <topyli> error_29: your cd uses a module that most installers don't load, or the install kernels don't have
[12:27] <waseem> blah ill figure out the problem tomorrow night
[12:27] <lunitik> FeliXDZ: shitty... your in audio group? ('groups' to check) ... module is loaded? ('lsmod | grep snd' to check)
[12:27] <waseem> good night people
[12:27] <topyli> maube
[12:27] <lunitik> you're*
[12:27] <thoreauputic> waseem: if all else fails, see if there's a man page ;)
[12:28] <topyli> thoreauputic: man pages are the very last resort? ;)
[12:28] <thoreauputic> topyli: there was an ironic element in my suggestion...  ;-)
[12:28] <FeliXDZ> I'll check those. thanks for the tips lunitik .
[12:28] <topyli> yah
[12:28] <error_29> ah hah-- thanks topyli.  So basically, if I hadn't sheerly by accident, tried ubuntu first on this laptop, I wouldn't have gotten linux on here at all (no floppy)
[12:29] <topyli> error_29: you should find out what the module is, so you can find and load it, if you choose to install another distro one day
[12:30] <topyli> however that is done, i don't know :)
[12:30] <FeliXDZ> I am still in the audio group (dist-upgrade shouldn't affect that anyway)...
[12:30] <lunitik> topyli: google, and modprobe
[12:30] <lunitik> FeliXDZ: ok... module listed in lsmod | grep snd?
[12:30] <theine> hi, do ~/.bashrc or ~/.bash_profile get sourced when gnome starts up?
[12:30] <FeliXDZ> I have lots of snd modules. Am I looking for a particular one?
[12:30] <theine> they don't, do they?
[12:31] <error_29> thanks topyli; I really want to be able to do a minimum install of debian from a disc, on the extra partitions I made just for that purpose, so I can try to build and learn linux gradually
[12:31] <lunitik> FeliXDZ: snd_somethingthatsoundsfamilier
[12:31] <lunitik> FeliXDZ: whats your sound card?
[12:31] <FeliXDZ>  Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 03)
[12:32] <thoreauputic> theine: /etc/bash.bashrc  I think
[12:32] <thoreauputic> theine: system wide
[12:32] <topyli> lunitik: google will probably tell how to load a module in different installers like anaconda and debian-installer, yes
[12:33] <FeliXDZ> my lsmod: snd                    50276  8 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pc
[12:33] <topyli> lunitik: you do have a more difficult problem if the install kernel doesn't have the module though :)
[12:33] <lunitik> FeliXDZ: probably 'snd_intel8x0' or simular then...
[12:33] <theine> thoreauputic: ok, but i would really need to set user specific environment variables
[12:33] <FeliXDZ> Its there. snd                    50276  8 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pc
[12:34] <lunitik> FeliXDZ: ok cool... cept, but, then there is no logical reason for it not to work  :/
[12:34] <FeliXDZ> As I say worked in Warty.  Myserious. It seems to be happening to a few people judging by the forums.
[12:34] <thoreauputic> theine: .bashrc is for non-login shells, IIRC
[12:34] <FeliXDZ> Mysterious I mean.
[12:35] <lunitik> topyli: search google.com/linux for model and 'module'... then just modprobe what you find out it is  :/
[12:35] <error_29> topyli, are you by any chance directing comments at lunatik that you intended to ref my cd problems?
[12:35] <lunitik> FeliXDZ: here, restarting fixed it... not sure why that isn't working there.
[12:36] <theine> thoreauputic: yes, but if i set an environment variable in ~/.bashrc, for example firefox doesn't know of it when launched from the gnome menu, does it?
[12:36] <lunitik> error_29: no... those were for me
[12:36] <hyphen> im back and im getting closer to getting it to work!#)($*#$!@#$
[12:36] <error_29> ah, ok, ...
[12:36] <thoreauputic> theine: I guess not
[12:36] <topyli> error_29: i'm trying to talk to two people at the same time, with varying success :)
[12:36] <lunitik> theine: .bashrc only sets bash environment... .xinitrc
[12:36] <error_29> I figured!
[12:37] <FeliXDZ> I'll try a restart again. But I can't see it working.
[12:37] <theine> lunitik: .xinitrc... thanks
[12:37] <FeliXDZ> Back in a minute.
[12:37] <lunitik> FeliXDZ: fingers crossed though  ;)
[12:37] <lunitik> theine: that and .xsession ... both are read during X startup..
[12:37] <FeliXDZ> I will stand on one foot and make some magical incantations
[12:37] <lunitik> or at least... they're supposed to be...
[12:38] <topyli> i thought startx reads xinitrc and xdm reads xsession?
[12:38] <topyli> might be mistaken
[12:38] <thoreauputic> topyli: in debian I think startx will read .xsession
[12:38] <soulhack> installing ubuntu, that is done through DOS, right?
[12:38] <soulhack> booting from disc
[12:38] <error_29> alright, so my hat's off to ubuntu's smart installer.  Just wish it were smart enough to know not to keep looking for non-existant floppy drives!
[12:38] <topyli> thoreauputic: ah. smart
[12:38] <theine> lunitik: well, it's worth a try, although I know that ~/.Xmodmap is not sourced at gnome startup although it's supposed to be as well I guess...
[12:39] <thoreauputic> gdm only uses .xsession for the "system session" AFAIK
[12:39] <topyli> soulhack: hell no :)
[12:39] <soulhack> oh
[12:39] <lunitik> topyli: X is started via /etc/X11/Xsession.d ... which calls these files... both gdm and startx do this/
[12:39] <looksaus> any powerpc users here?
[12:39] <topyli> ok
[12:39] <soulhack> through windows?
[12:39] <looksaus> I have a problem running tomboy on my ibook..
[12:39] <johnnybezak> looksaus: yep
[12:40] <soulhack> or is there something i need to dl to install?
[12:40] <topyli> soulhack: you boot the cd, and the installer comes up. it's linux-based
[12:40] <lunitik> looksaus: compiled yourself... or via archive?
[12:40] <looksaus> universe
[12:40] <looksaus> (or is it multiverse?)
[12:40] <soulhack> topyli, that doesnt help me since i never used linux before :)
[12:40] <lunitik> looksaus: right first time  ;)
[12:40] <soulhack> but i figure it's quite automatic
[12:40] <thoreauputic> soulhack: set bios to boot from CD - the istall program runs from the CD
[12:40] <topyli> soulhack: just get the cd and boot. you may want to read (or even print) some documentation first
[12:41] <thoreauputic> *install
[12:41] <looksaus> johnnybezak, are you using tomboy?
[12:41] <lunitik> soulhack: you're over thinking this... just throw the CD in, and hit enter a few times.
[12:41] <johnnybezak> looksaus: nope sorry
[12:41] <soulhack> haha, okay.
[12:41] <lunitik> soulhack: seriously, if you don't want Windows... thats a pretty safe way to install Ubuntu/
[12:41] <looksaus> do you feel like trying it out?
[12:42] <looksaus> it might be nice to have a possible bug confirmed by another ppc user...
[12:42] <topyli> looksaus: tomboy is crashing on me :(
[12:42] <looksaus> topyli, on x86 or ppc?
[12:42] <topyli> i386 though
[12:42] <lunitik> soulhack: yet its considered one of the hardest installs around... I had my aunts dog install it once  :P
[12:42] <soulhack> haha, really? well, I am not worried about the installation when it's going
[12:42] <thoreauputic> soulhack: in fact the mythology says even installing debian could be done by a chicken ;) peck on the enter key... (not *quite* true, but close
[12:43] <topyli> soulhack: you just need to know where you are and which languages you prefer :)
[12:43] <soulhack> i'd be happy (or some closely related feeling to happy) if my computer crashed because then I can focus on my studies for once
[12:43] <lunitik> soulhack: only part I had to help with was username and hostname... his paws were too big  :(
[12:43] <topyli> soulhack: you need win98
[12:43] <soulhack> win98?
[12:44] <thoreauputic> lunitik: of course he installed Mutt for mail ;-)
[12:44] <topyli> if you want it to crash more often :)
[12:44] <soulhack> lol
[12:44] <hyphen> i got a question if anyone's willing to listen :P
[12:44] <soulhack> winxp does that quite good too
[12:44] <soulhack> no big difference, really
[12:44] <lunitik> soulhack: he's being sarcastic... WIndows 98 was infamous for crashing when you least wanted it to.
[12:44] <topyli> hyphen: ask away
[12:44] <soulhack> yea :)
[12:44] <hyphen> well i just installed wine
[12:44] <topyli> lunitik: yeah, the SE fixed a lot but it still sucks
[12:45] <hyphen> when i run 130.218.100.5
[12:45] <soulhack> i just thought (because i've been playing around in litestep, heh) that i needed win98 to install linux (ok, flame away!)
[12:45] <lunitik> topyli: impossible for a DOS based system to not suck.
[12:45] <hyphen> er the wine ~/filename
[12:45] <HiddenWolf> soulhack: it's still the fastest possbiel configuration for old machines tho. :)
[12:45] <hyphen> it runs alright, then i get a windows blank error msg
[12:45] <lunitik> soulhack: you just need a restart button  :/
[12:45] <hyphen> and the installer opens up, but it says "invalid package"
[12:45] <hyphen> any clue as to what i'm doing wrong?
[12:45] <topyli> hyphen: which installer is that?
[12:46] <hyphen> its for maya 6.0
[12:46] <topyli> not everything works on wine
[12:46] <hyphen> alias wavefront
[12:46] <lunitik> hyphen: have you checked to see whether Maya is supported in Wine? I'd bet money it isn't.
[12:46] <hyphen> $ sudo wine /media/cdrom0/maya/setup.exe
[12:46] <hyphen> lunitik: the wine website said it was
[12:46] <lunitik> hyphen: you realize there is a Linux version of Maya
[12:46] <hyphen> it was listed under the apps database
[12:47] <hyphen> yeah, but that runs in redhat and i can't find it anywhere :(
[12:47] <lunitik> hyphen: what was its level of support?
[12:47] <hyphen> not sure
[12:47] <topyli> i have a windows pc. it's still the best platform for running windows programs :)
[12:47] <hyphen> 1 i think
[12:47] <hyphen> yeah as much as i love this ubuntu setup, i'm thinking that i'll have to go back to windows
[12:48] <topyli> hyphen: they're not exclusive you know
[12:48] <soulhack> what boot-locale should i use for burning my ubuntu-image? (i dont know what it means)
[12:48] <hyphen> whats not exclusive?
[12:48] <lunitik> hyphen: it doesn't say its supported at all... just is listed.
[12:48] <topyli> hyphen: linux and windows
[12:48] <thoreauputic> boot-locale??
[12:48] <hyphen> lunitik: why would they list if it isn't supported?
[12:48] <soulhack> beats me
[12:48] <lunitik> hyphen: because someone wanted feedback usually.
[12:49] <hyphen> topyli: i wasn't sure how to do two oses on one hd
[12:49] <hyphen> ahh
[12:49] <topyli> hyphen: just salvage an old pc and put win98 on it. throw away monitor and keyboard, then run the box via VNC on linux.
[12:49] <hyphen> i had win98 and redhat running together once, but redhat gave me that option
[12:49] <thoreauputic> soulhack: there's usually a 'raw" or "image" burning option, even in windows...
[12:49] <topyli> hyphen: you can also dual boot with ubuntu
[12:49] <hyphen> sorry about my newbness, but what's vnc?
[12:49] <lunitik> soulhack: what app are you using?
[12:50] <soulhack> NERO 6.3
[12:50] <hyphen> ahh
[12:50] <soulhack> i've never used it before
[12:50] <StoffBox-Steve> ahhhh i hate this fucking windows maschines .... my neighbor has a new tro/virus .. and use 100% of the network *grrrrrrrrrr*
[12:50] <soulhack> but figured to burn an iso-image i needed to use something that's not the windows raw function
[12:50] <lunitik> soulhack: ahh... never used that... ever used burn4free... its nice... and has never failed me... just have to click 'burn iso' and voila
[12:50] <hyphen> topyli: so i'd be controlling 2 boxes through 1?
[12:50] <topyli> hyphen: it's a bit like pc anywhere on windows (i guess)
[12:50] <soulhack> where can i dl it?
[12:51] <hyphen> ahh
[12:51] <topyli> hyphen: the other box's desktop is in a window on your main desktop
[12:51] <hyphen> hrmm
[12:51] <coroner> soulhack, i only just joined, forgive me if im off subject, are you trying to burn an iso using nero ?
[12:51] <hyphen> ooh, but i imagine that it'd be much slower
[12:51] <soulhack> coroner, yes
[12:51] <soulhack> is that bad?
[12:51] <topyli> hyphen: yes. no quake3 :)
[12:51] <coroner> nah its fine, ill help you if you like
[12:51] <hyphen> haha
[12:51] <soulhack> coroner, yes, well, i think i did it already
[12:51] <soulhack> or, it's burning
[12:51] <lunitik> soulhack: gah... file menu... mid way down... something like raw burn or burn image or something...
[12:51] <topyli> hyphen: regular office work and such is fine
[12:52] <lunitik> soulhack: I read something different, my bad
[12:52] <coroner> ahh good, you did tick the finish cd button aswell ?
[12:52] <hyphen> topyli: well i'd be needing to run graphic intensive 3d software
[12:52] <soulhack> coroner, i might have, not sure :S
[12:52] <topyli> hyphen: ok, no good
[12:52] <hyphen> poo!
[12:52] <hyphen> got my hopes up
[12:52] <helloyo> i have setup wmv to play, but some don't play with sound, whats wrong?
[12:52] <topyli> hyphen: i'd dual boot or get another box
[12:52] <lunitik> helloyo: you have libmad0 installed?
[12:53] <coroner> well if the cd doesnt load even after it says burn complete, chances are you need to tick the finilise cd tickbox. which means itll close the cd properly and not leave it open for more files later etc (multisession)
[12:53] <helloyo> lunitik, yep
[12:53] <hyphen> topyli: yeah, i think i'm going to dual boot.  how do i go about doing it?
[12:53] <maz1977> hi all
[12:53] <lunitik> helloyo: you'd have it if you installed 'gstreamer0.8-mad' or 'xmms-mp3'
[12:53] <lunitik> helloyo: hmm... no reason it wouldn't then.
[12:53] <goldfish_> hyphen: partition your hd
[12:54] <soulhack> coroner, okay, i think i said i did not want to create a multisession.
[12:54] <soulhack> But an ISO-image
[12:54] <maz1977> I've a question about bluetooth. Is someone usin' it?
[12:54] <lunitik> uhh... actually... its xmms-mad  ... but blah
[12:54] <hyphen> hrmm
[12:54] <helloyo> lunitik, most of them play, just certain ones don't, as if the audio can't be decoded
[12:54] <topyli> hyphen: i don't remember too well, but basically, you install windows first, then install linux telling it not to destroy windows, and set up the boot loader. the modern installers probably automate most of this
[12:54] <coroner> soulhack, yeah shouldnt have a problem then
[12:54] <hyphen> ooh
[12:54] <soulhack> i'll bug you in a bit if I do tho ;P
[12:54] <goldfish_> hyphen: u got a windows install disk?
[12:55] <hyphen> yeah
[12:55] <coroner> no worries :D
[12:55] <hyphen> a billion of them
[12:55] <goldfish_> u can format the hd with that
[12:55] <goldfish_> well
[12:55] <goldfish_> partition
[12:55] <goldfish_> it's handy
[12:55] <goldfish_> just create a partition for windows
[12:55] <goldfish_> and leave the rest as empty space
[12:55] <hyphen> ahh
[12:55] <lunitik> (of linux)
[12:55] <goldfish_> lunitik: the ubuntu disk?
[12:55] <hyphen> thanks folks :P
[12:55] <lunitik> goldfish_: yeah
[12:56] <topyli> lunitik: well, you might as well make the windows partition with windows fdisk
[12:56] <maz1977> no one use gnome-bluetooth?
[12:56] <goldfish_> lunitik: he wants to dual boot
[12:56] <lunitik> goldfish_: he prolly has Windows installed already....
[12:56] <goldfish_> heh
[12:56] <goldfish_> suppose :)
[12:56] <topyli> oh, yeah :)
[12:56] <hyphen> nah, no windows installed
[12:56] <goldfish_> righty
[12:57] <topyli> ok, then goldfish_ is right on track
[12:57] <hyphen> thanks for the help, all
[12:57] <hyphen> too late for me to be doing anymore, so i bid you all adieu
[12:57] <goldfish_> night
[12:59] <helloyo> whats the command to put install grub onto hda? grub-install followed by what?
[01:00] <lunitik> helloyo: 'grub-install /dev/hda'
[01:00] <lunitik> helloyo: for mbr... or install to wherever /boot is
[01:00] <lunitik> helloyo: you prolly want to install to mbr though
[01:03] <helloyo> yeah, thanks
[01:05] <topyli> does the hoary installer discover dongles on serial ports?
[01:06] <lunitik> topyli: hoary's installer still uses discover1 ... was it detected with warty's installer... same answer
[01:07] <topyli> lunitik: i didn't have the dongle when i installed warty :)
[01:08] <nerval> question : on gnome 2.8; how do we add fonts? i mean where is the folder that we can copy-paste the fonts we have downloaded? or what else to do to add fonts? thank you.
[01:08] <topyli> nerval: ~/.fonts
[01:08] <StoffBox-Steve> *GG* this xpenguins is funny
[01:08] <lunitik> nerval: nautilus: 'fonts:///
[01:09] <lunitik> nerval: just drag the font there.
[01:09] <thoreauputic> StoffBox-Steve: you know it has Bill, and Turtles as well?
[01:09] <nerval> thank you lunitik, a billion thanks.
[01:10] <ren0> Hi I used to be felixdz but now I am ren0
[01:10] <topyli> and worms!
[01:10] <ren0> Still having sound problems
[01:10] <StoffBox-Steve> not jet thoreauputic :) just installed it a few sec ago :)
[01:10] <StoffBox-Steve> how can i setup ?
[01:10] <lunitik> ren0: :(   'cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp'  <-- hear static?
[01:11] <thoreauputic> xpenguins -t Bill -n 8 -s
[01:11] <lunitik> ren0: stupid question... volume control... PCM is turned up?
[01:11] <thoreauputic> and you can squash Bill ;-)
[01:11] <tsume> thoreauputic: heh :)
[01:11] <bestadvocate> well one of my computers now has a decent desktop search program.
[01:12] <lunitik> bestadvocate: beagle?
[01:12] <bestadvocate> unfortunately its my windows one,  I still cant install mono on Ubuntu :-)
[01:12] <tsume> does anyone know if there are easy tools specifically for linux cloning?
[01:12] <topyli> i only wish xpenguins and nautilus would be nice to each other
[01:12] <tsume> mono.. a disease..
[01:12] <ren0> lunitik I pretty old and senile but... It was the first thing I checked. I 'll thry the other suggestion.
[01:13] <StoffBox-Steve> thx thoreauputic bill is funny :D
[01:13] <thoreauputic> :)
[01:13] <Myrtti> 'llo again
[01:14] <ren0> trying 'cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp' Nothing heard.
[01:14] <thoreauputic> StoffBox-Steve: there's a game called xbill as well (the idea is to kill Bill before he installs the Windows virus)
[01:14] <StoffBox-Steve> *GG* thoreauputic
[01:14] <ren0> Which is better the alsamiser or the oss?
[01:15] <lunitik> ren0: no idea then... sorry
[01:15] <thoreauputic> xbill is in "universe"
[01:15] <lunitik> ren0: alsa
[01:15] <kent> hmm, gthumb in Hoary seems a bit unstable today. I didn't see if it was updated recently. When doing a slidescreen it crashes after some time, and its easely repeated.
[01:15] <ren0> Thanks for the suggestion though. I thought so too. Alsa
[01:15] <topyli> thoreauputic: there was a finnish linux distro called best linux. their installer included xbill for you to play while the install proceeds :)
[01:16] <thoreauputic> topyli: excellent! *g*
[01:16] <lunitik> topyli: haha... thats funny
[01:16] <topyli> yeah, nice touch :)
[01:16] <lunitik> topyli: more distro's should do that..  :P
[01:17] <lunitik> (maybe not that game... but yeah... entertainment for install wouldn't be bad  :P )
[01:17] <StoffBox-Steve> topyli, thats a great idea for netinstall :)
[01:18] <topyli> yeah. but you need to have a graphical installer. although ubuntu could include bombardier or something right now :)
[01:19] <m00se> hi, i need some help with usb mass stroage mp3 player on hoary? anyone has experience with this?
[01:21] <topyli> m00se: afaik, it should Just Work
[01:21] <topyli> you should get an icon on the desktop and there you go
[01:22] <m00se> topyli: it Just Worked just once ;(
[01:22] <topyli> hmm.
[01:22] <m00se> i got the icon and everything was fine
[01:22] <CarlK> Feb14 hoary installed on a box, yesterday, same box: Mar  5 15:10:29 anna[10510] : WARNING **: parser_rfc822: Iek! Don't find end of field, it seems to be after the end of the line!
[01:22] <CarlK> where should I post the details?
[01:23] <m00se> now when i plug it it's mounted as /media/usbdisk but no icon in nautilus
[01:23] <CarlK> (and the install stopped at that point)
[01:23] <m00se> and i have to umout it manually
[01:23] <m00se> but about 50% of umounts result in system freeze
[01:24] <topyli> sounds buggy
[01:25] <linux_mafia> m00se, what kernel?
[01:26] <lunitik> CarlK: bugzilla seems like a good place...
[01:27] <m00se> linux_mafia: 2.6.10-3-k7
[01:27] <CarlK> oh yeah... I can post attachements... (syslog)
[01:28] <linux_mafia> m00se, oh, that should be ok then, more recent kernels were having issues with inotify/gamin, have you looked at the hoary forum?
[01:29] <m00se> linux_mafia: i had gamin/inotify freezes in 2.6.10-4-k7, that's why i'm using -3.
[01:30] <m00se> no i didn't look at the forum yet
[01:30] <Goshawk> is there someone interesting to try a alpha package of an "usermode splash" booting process?
[01:31] <zim> hi all
[01:31] <linux_mafia> m00se, youre on to it, i thought using 2.6.10-3 was meant to be ok too, perhaps another issue then
[01:31] <zim> when is Hoary Hedgehog out ??
[01:31] <Chipzz> "when it's ready"? :)
[01:32] <zim> :) ok can one download a version for testing ??
[01:32] <m00se> linux_mafia: i have som issues with hotplug too, when i plug my mp3 player and camera at the sime time hotplug goes nuts and continously spawns its scripts
[01:32] <jdub> zim: www.ubuntu.com/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule
[01:32] <jdub> zim: cdimage.ubuntu.com
[01:33] <zim> ty
[01:33] <linux_mafia> m00se, i just added "noinotify" to my grub line, and used latest kernel anyway
[01:33] <hayden> how can i make an icon of a mounted smb share appear on the desktop when i mount a smb share?
[01:34] <Burgundavia> hayden: should do it automagically
[01:34] <m00se> linux_mafia: i'll try that, thx
[01:35] <Burgundavia> hayden: are you running Hoary?
[01:35] <hayden> no warty
[01:35] <linux_mafia> jdub, are the inotify issues ubuntu specific? or are all distros having similar probs? although beagle is meant to be inotify agnostic these days, it still wont work for me these days
[01:36] <jdub> linux_mafia: no one's shipping inotify yet
[01:37] <m00se> i see some people on the forum have similar problems, but no solution :(
[01:40] <linux_mafia> jdub, yes i understand its not a production feature, i just meant other development trees, the only other person i noticed having the same problems as me on the dashboard hackers ML, was a fellow ubuntu user, i suppose the others are r love and co though, oh well
[01:40] <jdub> that's because we're pretty much the only distro pushing it
[01:40] <jdub> suse is closed
[01:41] <jdub> mandrake had it for a bit, but were badly hacking around problems
[01:41] <thoreauputic> trivial issue: after installing xbill I get "xbill  no configured GUIs" (tried --gui gtk, no go )
[01:41] <martin> hallo, kann mir bitte wer sagen wie ich in ubuntu upgrade?
[01:41] <hayden> how can i make an icon of a mounted smb share appear on the desktop when i mount a smb share?
[01:42] <thoreauputic> any ideas on why xbill fails to run? What do I need to do here?
[01:43] <Burgundavia> hayden: go to your home dir then to desktop and then hit ctrl-r and see if it shows up
[01:43] <desplesda> hi, i'm running hoary array 5, my dialup is painfully slow - dns lookups tend to take up to 30 seconds
[01:43] <desplesda> i think this may be due to ipv6 - where can i disable it?
[01:48] <Hannes_> HiddenWolf: what kind of memory?
[01:48] <linux_mafia> jdub, will you be attending the linux.conf.au conference in new zealand next year?
[01:48] <Hannes_> something special
[01:48] <jdub> of course
[01:48] <linux_mafia> alright
[01:49] <paolo> Hi guys! What memory stick is reported to work with ubuntu without problems? thank you!
[01:49] <paolo> usb memory stick
[01:50] <desplesda> a keydrive? most of them work fine
[01:50] <desplesda> which version of ubuntu are you using?
[01:50] <paolo> the first
[01:50] <desplesda> warty? 4.10?
[01:50] <paolo> yes
[01:50] <membreya> anyone here use galeon browser??
[01:50] <HiddenWolf> Hannes_: pc3200 hyperx ultra low latency 1gb kit.
[01:50] <desplesda> paolo, have you tried the usb device yet?
[01:51] <linux_mafia> paolo, yeah almost any id say, i use a adata one with 0 problems
[01:51] <paolo> membreya: I use it in debian testing, it works quite fine
[01:51] <desplesda> well, plug it in and see what happens
[01:51] <desplesda> :)
[01:51] <membreya> paolo: do you prefer it over firefox?
[01:51] <paolo> desplesda: no, I want to buy one and I don't want to waste money :-)
[01:51] <desplesda> ah, right
[01:51] <desplesda> well, pretty much everything works
[01:51] <paolo> membreya: yes
[01:51] <desplesda> and if it doesnt, go back and claim a refund
[01:52] <desplesda> usb-storage is fairly standard
[01:52] <desplesda> any off-the-shelf stick will work fine
[01:52] <membreya> paolo: thanks for that, will give it a run now :) ....bored of firefox :)
[01:53] <hayden> the mounted folders dont show up when i do ctrl-r in desktop
[01:56] <m00se> linux_mafia: the noinotify option seems to help. no crashes and icon appears as expected. thx for the tip
[01:56] <linux_mafia> m00se, no worries man, had me confused for a bit too
[01:57] <linux_mafia> m00se, only trouble is beagle doesn't work properly for me now though :(
[01:58] <m00se> i don't use beagle so this is not a problem for me
[02:00] <martin_> hello
[02:01] <martin_> kann mir bitte wer sagen welches debian-image ich mir runterladen muss?
[02:01] <martin_> ich hab einen ganz normalen laptop
[02:02] <BockBilbo> is it possible to download a php file from a web server?
[02:02] <Hannes_> kannst du bitte englisch sprechen?
[02:02] <Hannes_> BockBilbo: no
[02:02] <Hannes_> as it is executed serversie
[02:02] <Hannes_> *side
[02:02] <BockBilbo> :(
[02:02] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[02:03] <Hannes_> exept by ftp/sft/opening it with eg nano from ssh
[02:03] <da_bon_bon> whenever i try to add some hardware to my virtual machine in vmware, it hangs. anyone experienced this ?
[02:03] <BockBilbo> Hannes_, but if its a remote server from witch i have nothing related to
[02:03] <CarlK> hoary, where do I set sshd to run on boot?
[02:03] <BockBilbo> it's impossible right?
[02:03] <Hannes_> BockBilbo: no can do
[02:04] <BockBilbo> what?
[02:07] <CarlK> duh... it isn't installed, thats why it doesnt load
[02:11] <abelli> ,
[02:16] <GarySaved> I just installed ubuntu hoary
[02:16] <joda> hey all - a quick question from a (somewhat) newbie: how/where do I add a folder to my path, so that it's set at startup time, for all users?
[02:17] <snowblink> /etc/profile
[02:17] <GarySaved> I want to add flashplayer.
[02:18] <joda> snowblink: great, thanks :)
[02:18] <zim> what program do you use to play .mpg .wmv etc
[02:19] <SiRrUs> GarySaved try here good place for info  www.ubuntuguide.org
[02:19] <Burgundavia> zim: totem
[02:19] <GarySaved> I entered:  'sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla'
[02:19] <thoreauputic> zim: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:19] <zim> ty
[02:19] <GarySaved> But us says it can not find it.
[02:19] <hayden> how can i check if my pcmcia wifi card is supported for linux?
[02:20] <Burgundavia> GarySaved: try synaptic
[02:20] <thaytan> does anyone have any idea why python2.4-logilab-common depends on python2.4-optik when I can't see any sign that python2.4-optik ever existed?
[02:20] <Burgundavia> hayden: check the chipset, but googling the card name and linux
[02:20] <snowblink> GarySaved: you need to add repositories
[02:20] <SiRrUs> GarySaved have you update your source list?
[02:20] <hayden> ok
[02:20] <GarySaved> I tried Synaptic, and it does not have anything related, when I search for 'flash'.
[02:20] <thoreauputic> GarySaved: it's in multiverse
[02:21] <GarySaved> I'll see if it is included.
[02:21] <thoreauputic> GarySaved: http://ubuntuguide.org
[02:21] <SiRrUs> snowblink i saw what you said not sure why GarySaved didnt :)
[02:21] <Burgundavia> GarySaved: synaptic settings-->repositories click on add
[02:21] <Burgundavia> GarySaved: then selected multiverse or non-free
[02:21] <theine> wow, Gnome 2.10 hit Hoary...
[02:22] <snowblink> any reason why ubuntuguide.org was removed from the topic here?
[02:23] <Burgundavia> snowblink: not offical docs
[02:23] <Burgundavia> snowblink: that would be my guess
[02:23] <StoffBox-Steve> think why no space ... limit of topic lines
[02:23] <tanari> hello all
[02:23] <tanari> i have one small problem
[02:23] <Burgundavia> GarySaved: did you get those repos working?
[02:24] <tanari> I have changed SBLive 5.1 PCI slot.
[02:24] <StoffBox-Steve> there is only 490 to set the topic
[02:24] <tanari> and alsactl can't find my soundcard
[02:24] <tanari> How to reinstall drivers or change something in settings?
[02:26] <thoreauputic> tanari: maybe run sudo /sbin/discover and see if it finds it in the new slot
[02:26] <tanari> andrei@ubuntu:~ $ sudo /sbin/discover
[02:26] <tanari> Password:
[02:26] <tanari> open_sock(): No such device
[02:26] <tanari> andrei@ubuntu:~ $
[02:27] <thoreauputic> tanari: hmm - Ok well it was just an idea :/
[02:27] <tanari> :). All worked find, I just changed slot. I think I need only change some .conf file
[02:28] <tanari> but I don't know how and where
[02:29] <thoreauputic> /etc/alsa perhaps
[02:30] <GarySaved> That was it.  I added it to the line with 'universe'.
[02:30] <tanari> there are no files in /etc/alsa
[02:31] <thoreauputic> tanari: I just noticed that - hehe - sorry
[02:31] <thoreauputic> whereis alsa   says /etc/alsa - don't know why
[02:31] <thoreauputic> sinc it's empty...
[02:33] <GarySaved> Have you heard of people having the problem of the printer not working from the browser?
[02:34] <coroner> ohhh i think i just annoyed my ubuntu, i right clicked on the trash can and it had to quit, reloaded it and now the applications and computer menus arent working properly
[02:34] <thoreauputic> GarySaved: it has been known...
[02:34] <coroner> meaning, they wont expand the menus within, any ideas what just happened?
[02:35] <thoreauputic> coroner:  killall gnome-panel sometimes fixes it
[02:35] <coroner> will it start automatically again ?
[02:35] <thoreauputic> coroner: don't worry, it regenerates
[02:35] <tanari> how can I reinstall soundcard drivers?
[02:35] <GarySaved> That is mostly what my wife uses the computer for, printing graphics from the net.
[02:36] <Burgundavia> GarySaved: can you print the same documents from another application?
[02:36] <GarySaved> Yes.  THat is what she is having to do.
[02:38] <coroner> thoreauputic, i opened the root terminal and typed in gnome-panel to load it again, but apon closing the terminal the panels disappear again
[02:38] <thoreauputic> coroner: why the root terminal?
[02:39] <thoreauputic> you can't run gnome-panel as root
[02:39] <thoreauputic> it runs as your user
[02:39] <Burgundavia> coroner: save everything you are working on. This hit ctrl-atl-bksp to restart your X server
[02:39] <coroner> alright cheers
[02:39] <coroner> how do i swap between workspaces without the panel ?
[02:39] <Burgundavia> s/this/then
[02:40] <GarySaved> I installed a couple games, but they were not put in the Games menu.  How can I put them there?
[02:40] <Burgundavia> coroner: restarting X will restart gnome and thus your panel
[02:40] <thaytan> coroner: ctrl-alt-left/right/up/down
[02:40] <Burgundavia> coroner: ctrl-alt-(left or right arrow)
[02:40] <coroner> alright cheers ill give it a go
[02:41] <phantomdata> Hmm.  I apologize for coming in and just asking a question straight off; but in order to install any Window Managers (Say, fluxbox or Window Maker) - do I need to select a special apt repository for Ubuntu?
[02:41] <phantomdata> Neither of those seem to show up in the default list.
[02:42] <jdub> phantomdata: enable universe
[02:42] <jdub> note that anything in universe is unsupported
[02:42] <marcin_ant> jdub: hi
[02:42] <phantomdata> ah, got it.
[02:42] <marcin_ant> jdub: I got your mail about website contest winners...
[02:43] <phantomdata> jdub: Just remembered about sources.list, and decided to check it on the offchance that itw as documented.  :)
[02:43] <phantomdata> jdub: Heh, I've got Ubuntu installed on a P133 w/ 48M/RAM.  Suffice it to say, it's a tad slow with Gnome.
[02:43] <marcin_ant> jdub: nice projects, but is there a chance to see other submissions? (just curious)
[02:43] <hayden> when i close the lid on my laptop it goes to a full-screen command line prompt, how do i make it stay as it was when i close the lid?
[02:44] <jdub> marcin_ant: probably not
[02:44] <jdub> hayden: it should flick back to X when you open the lid; if it doesn't, it's a bug
[02:44] <hayden> hmm ok
[02:44] <hayden> ill see if it does
[02:44] <phantomdata> hayden: Just on the offchance that you don't know... you can hit ctrl-alt-f7 to return to X.
[02:44] <GarySaved> What package do I install to use Java apps in my browser?
[02:45] <phantomdata> jdub: Thank you for the suggestion.  :)  Fluxbox is installing right now, I appreciate your help.
[02:45] <hayden> thanks phantomdata (im a noob :P)
[02:45] <phantomdata> i've been using Gentoo for awhile; I had forgotten the speed of package based distributions.
[02:45] <thaytan> jdub: such a bug exists, intermittently
[02:45] <thoreauputic> GarySaved: I suggest you read http://ubuntuguide.org (lots of good info there)
[02:45] <theine> phantom: both windowmaker and fluxbox are in the universe repository
[02:45] <freebase> i cant apt-get ..password?
[02:45] <hayden> doesn't gentoo use emerge?
[02:46] <Burgundavia> freebase: the password they are asking for is yours
[02:46] <GarySaved> O.K.
[02:46] <phantomdata> hayden: Yup.  :)  Nice little system, but it takes its time.
[02:46] <hayden> yea
[02:46] <hayden> thanks for the help i'm off to sleep
[02:47] <freebase> Burgundavia, no they arent asking. just have no rights
[02:47] <phantomdata> Well, off I go.  :)
[02:47] <CarlK> Gen.erly too much effort ;)
[02:47] <Burgundavia> freebase: are you saying that you can't use sudo at all?
[02:47] <lizdeika> any chances to have ati's proprietary drivers version 8.10.19 soon ?
[02:47] <daniels> lizdeika: no, we are in upstream version freeze
[02:48] <freebase> Burgundavia, ty "sudo" was that i was looking for
[02:48] <lizdeika> what ? :)
[02:48] <lizdeika> hoary freezed ?
[02:48] <jdub> thaytan: (i *think* thom just fixed it, not sure)
[02:50] <coroner> a system reboot seemed needed. apon trying to get back into gnome when it went to load nautilus etc at the gnome 2.8 loading screen nothing would load, just sat there hanging. i rebooted and it loaded up
[02:50] <thoreauputic> lizdeika: I guess it has to freeze sometime - it's due to go stable in April
[02:51] <Burgundavia> coroner: most of the time it is only your X server that is frozen. Always try c-a-bk before you try and reboot the machine
[02:51] <lizdeika> gonna fil-in huge bug report later. i think there will be some unfreeze
[02:52] <coroner> okay, ill google that command and find out what it does
[02:52] <thoreauputic> lizdeika: well, bugs are being killed still, I'm sure :)
[02:52] <lizdeika> i think ati's drivers are causing that bug
[02:53] <Myrtti> yeah, security updates
[02:55] <StoffBox-Steve> is there a why to extract more than one .zip file at once ? --- or it going to be a long long day ..^^
[02:56] <snowblink> StoffBox-Steve: unzip *.zip ?
[02:56] <thaytan> StoffBox-Steve: for dude in *.zip; do unzip $dude; done
[02:57] <Kaww> www.otomotivshow.com
[02:57] <StoffBox-Steve> :D thx ... was to easy for me .. * i hate easythings cant get them in my brain *lol*
[02:57] <HiddenWolf> thaytan: do you enjoy complicating your life? :)
[02:58] <thaytan> HiddenWolf: whenever I can
[02:58] <lizdeika> hehe
[03:00] <StoffBox-Steve> hmmmm
[03:00] <StoffBox-Steve> $ unzip *.zip
[03:00] <StoffBox-Steve> Archive:  brush_102.zip
[03:00] <StoffBox-Steve> caution: filename not matched:  brush_107.zip
[03:02] <kent> StoffBox-Steve, try to rename it brush_107.zip and see if it unzips..  you or some one might have mistakenly downloaded wrong file
[03:03] <thaytan> StoffBox-Steve: try my way :)
[03:03] <thaytan> unzip brush_102.zip brush_107.zip means 'get me brush_107.zip out of the brush_102.zip file'
[03:04] <StoffBox-Steve> i can extract them over nautilus .. i testet that
[03:04] <thaytan> one at a time, you mean?
[03:05] <airox> Anybody has experience with GPRS and ppp with a bluetooth connected mobile phone ?
[03:05] <airox> I can send modem commands with minicom
[03:05] <airox> And also do: ATDT*99***1#
[03:05] <StoffBox-Steve> jup
[03:05] <StoffBox-Steve> i test it with the first one
[03:06] <thaytan> StoffBox-Steve: seriously, open a terminal and run my line
[03:06] <thaytan> for dude in *.zip; do unzip $dude; done
[03:06] <thaytan> that'll run unzip once for every zip file
[03:06] <snowblink> StoffBox-Steve: believe thaytan
[03:07] <StoffBox-Steve> so you mean try > unzip $brush ?
[03:07] <snowblink> StoffBox-Steve: for file in *.zip; do unzip $file; done
[03:08] <thoreauputic> StoffBox-Steve: what you call it doesn't really matter
[03:08] <thaytan> no, I mean " for dude in *.zip; do unzip $dude; done" as a command
[03:14] <theine> has anybody tried to set up the Java Media Framework for use in Openoffice 2.0?
[03:14] <HiddenWolf> theine: possible, but stressy
[03:16] <theine> HiddenWolf: Are there any plans to make it less stressy in the near future?
[03:16] <HiddenWolf> theine: not possible, no free java, remember?
[03:16] <trygvebw> Hi, which package contains the C include file "limits.h"? Configure is complaining that it can't find it.
[03:16] <membreya> ok well switched myself over to galeon browser :)
[03:16] <membreya> impressed with it so far
[03:17] <theine> vaguely...
[03:17] <drspin> anyone from Arizona in the US?
[03:17] <HiddenWolf> theine: the only way for that to happen is sun to open source java, or redhat to finish developing a replacement
[03:21] <theine> HiddenWolf: I begin to wonder whether JMF was such a great choice for Openoffice 2.0
[03:24] <HiddenWolf> theine: join the club
[03:25] <trygvebw> Anyone?
[03:27] <tranceConscious> i have just upgraded from warty to hary with synaptic, but i got a 640x480 screen resolution and in the list of available resolutions there is no other. how do i fix that???
[03:28] <tranceConscious> to hoary
[03:29] <tranceConscious> can someone help ???
[03:29] <wezzer> hi
[03:29] <wezzer> just a quick question
[03:30] <StoffBox-Steve> i think you have to configure the Xserver .. you run Xorg now not Xfree .. try  dpkg-reconfuigure xserver-xorg
[03:30] <wezzer> can scp return a transfer?
[03:30] <airox> tranceConscious: Checked if you can adjust the resolution with Computer -> System Configuration -> Changing Screen Resolution
[03:30] <wezzer> lets say I've downloaded 100MB of file and scp gots time up
[03:30] <airox> (or something like that)
[03:30] <wezzer> can I continue downloading from that 100MB or do I have to download whole file again?
[03:30] <tranceConscious> airox: i tried that but the list only shows 640x480
[03:31] <airox> Then try StoffBox-Steve's solution.
[03:31] <wezzer> anyone?
[03:31] <thesilverhand> tranceConscious: you need to edit xorg.conf
[03:31] <membreya> anyone here run the fireflies screen saver?
[03:32] <GarySaved> Hey!  I got it working.  I have Java running here.
[03:32] <airox> Q: Does upgrading to hoary break many configuration things ? And does it include many new and improved things ?
[03:34] <thesilverhand> tranceConscious: sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf find Section "Monitor"
[03:34] <shock> so... europe probably has softwarepatents now....
[03:35] <airox> :(
[03:35] <GarySaved> airox, I just did it, and all my settings were fine.
[03:35] <shock> i guess ill open a soap buisiness
[03:35] <shock> :P
[03:35] <airox> GarySaved: Great!
[03:35] <shock> (just watched fightclub)
[03:35] <airox> Then I'll be upgrading in a few moments :)
[03:35] <thesilverhand> tranceConscious: add the lines "HorizSync 28-49" (without quotes) and "VertRefresh 43-72" (no quotes)
[03:36] <airox> Could somebody name some nice features that are in hoary (or it's packages) ?
[03:36] <airox> Cause I have to be convinced to upgrade :)
[03:36] <mjr> http://mjr.iki.fi/texts/patentfund
[03:37] <airox> Does gnome vfs ftp for example work in binary mode in hoary ?
[03:37] <snowblink> airox: why do you want to upgrade?
[03:37] <airox> To get more features available, but it has to be stable though :)
[03:39] <Xappe> hmm, seems that the connection to the ubuntu repos are REALLY slow for me right now...
[03:39] <Xappe> *is
[03:40] <membreya> Xappe: so change your mirror
[03:42] <Xappe> well, I usually get speeds of around 600 kB/s, so I think i'll w8 for a while
[03:42] <kent> Am I the only one that does not see the notice about the winner of the webpagecontest in the news section of the main homepage of Ubuntu? If i click the "more news" links, i can see it. But since it has a newer date than the CeBit news that is on top when I browse the main page, shouldn't the notice about the contest be on top then?
[03:44] <Xappe> oh, cool...seems that I now have gnome 2.10.0
[03:46] <farruinn> how do I set commands to run in the /usr/share/xsessions/* files?
[03:47] <farruinn> for example, I want gnome-settings-daemon to run in things like fluxbox and enlightenment
[03:48] <farruinn> I tried adding Exec=gnome-settings-daemon & to the end of the file, but it didn't work
[03:48] <maikrohvt> I was wondering, i orderd ubuntu 1 week ago, how long it will take it to arrive ?
[03:48] <njan> maikrohvt, it took at least a month for me
[03:48] <maikrohvt> ok
[03:48] <snowblink> maikrohvt: You may have to wait until mid-april if you missed the end of feb
[03:50] <Twiggy> Anybody else having trouble connecting to the apt server?
[03:50] <Twiggy> archive.ubuntu.com
[03:52] <mikep> Twiggy: A little slow but worked using update and upgrade.
[03:52] <njan> Twiggy, it just worked fine for me
[03:53] <Twiggy> Hmph
[03:53] <Twiggy> Must be a geographical thing, this happened a few days ago too
[03:53] <Twiggy> Always happens when I need to grab something off it too ;oD
[03:53] <Twiggy> a'soh
[03:53] <Nermal> har
[03:53] <njan> Twiggy, have you checked whether or not you can resolve it, and if so, what traceroute looks like?
[03:54] <njan> Twiggy, you may be able to pin the problem down to a specific router / network segment
[03:54] <Twiggy> njan:  I'd blame it on a shatty connection, our LAN has been flaky the last few days
[03:54] <Twiggy> No worries, I'll give it a go again in a few hours
[03:54] <njan> :)
[03:55] <njan> kick your netadmin :)
[03:55] <njan> I'm sure if he's anything like me he'll be happy to kick you back :p
[03:55] <membreya> hmmm can someone help me with conflicting version of GCC?
[03:58] <Xappe> Twiggy, can you kick my network admin too? seems like I suffer from the same problem right now, feels like packetloss because it's the initialization of trasfers that is really slow...
[03:58] <thesilverhand> Twiggy, Xappe: same thing here
[03:59] <SiRrUs> I see a few of us are having trouble connecting to get updates
[03:59] <membreya> mine's fine SiRrUs :)
[04:00] <SiRrUs> membreya your a lucky one then
[04:00] <membreya> security.ubuntu seems slow though..my mirror is speedy as normal :)
[04:02] <membreya> wanna help me with conflicting GCC's SiRrUs ? :P
[04:04] <membreya> guess not :(
[04:04] <Twiggy> membreya:  Whats the problem
[04:05] <dmouritsendk> does the ubuntu installer support lvm? (for example, can i tell it to use a logical volume as /usr or what ever)
[04:06] <membreya> Twiggy: gcc -v gives 3.4.4 yet cat /proc/version gives gcc version 3.3.5
[04:06] <Twiggy> membreya:  Did you compile one of them from scratch?
[04:06] <membreya> yup
[04:06] <Twiggy> Well don't do that :oP
[04:06] <Twiggy> Uninstall the compiled one
[04:06] <membreya> erm :|
[04:07] <Twiggy> Check if it's compiled to /usr/local/bin
[04:07] <membreya> nope
[04:07] <Twiggy> If it is, ./configure --prefix=/usr/local && sudo make uninstall
[04:07] <Twiggy> Hmm
[04:07] <looksaus> what's wrong with archive.ubuntu.com?
[04:07] <Twiggy> looksaus:  Little slow today
[04:07] <membreya> Twiggy: it compiled to /usr/bin
[04:07] <looksaus> it was always super fast
[04:08] <looksaus> pity
[04:08] <Twiggy> membreya:  Then do that, and reinstall the .deb with synaptic after you've uninstalled the compiled one
[04:08] <membreya> and if I try to use synaptic to remove it, i get messages saying lots of apps will be removed
[04:08] <Twiggy> looksaus:  Bad days happen
[04:08] <Twiggy> membreya:  Just mark it for reinstallation
[04:08] <membreya> looksaus: just change your mirror :)
[04:08] <looksaus> ouch, I'm my own network admin
[04:08] <membreya> lol
[04:09] <Twiggy> Matrix style
[04:09] <Twiggy> wEWt
[04:09] <membreya> so mark 3.4 to reinstall? ...but how do I get rid of 3.3? :P
[04:09] <Twiggy> In the source dir, ./configure --prefix=/usr && sudo make uninstall
[04:09] <Twiggy> After you do that, mark the .deb for reinstallation
[04:10] <Cl> did anyone try yoper?
[04:11] <Echylo> hello
[04:11] <Echylo> thoreauputic, you there?
[04:11] <membreya> Twiggy: so I need to redownloaded gcc 3.4 ..compile it with the uninstall ?
[04:12] <Twiggy> membreya:  Nonono, first go into the source dir, and execute: ./configure --prefix=/usr && sudo make uninstall
[04:12] <dmouritsendk> can anybody tell me if ubuntu's installer support lvm volume groups and logical volumes?
[04:12] <membreya> well I don't HAVE the source anymore :P
[04:12] <Twiggy> membreya:  That will uninstall it, but to make sure you don't uninstall anything not wanted, go back and mark gcc for reinstallation in synaptic so that it cleans up any loose ends
[04:13] <Twiggy> membreya:  Ooooh, yeah, then you gotta go get it :oD
[04:13] <membreya> all I want to do is get my system to report that gcc 3.4 is the one to use
[04:13] <looksaus> hm, seems like dist-upgrading will have to wait a few days
[04:13] <looksaus> or at least, hours
[04:16] <membreya> Twiggy: is there any way to to cheat to tell my system that it's using gcc 3.4? see I cheated when I compiled it and just cp'd the gcc3-4 to gcc :P
[04:16] <Echylo> question, I use ez-ipupdate to update my dyndns account, but when it tries to update my IP it replies my 10.0.0.1 the adress of my computer, I noticed that PPPoE_1 has the correct IP but it doesn't recognizes that as a device
[04:17] <bob2> PPoE_1 isn't an interface on linux
[04:17] <bob2> do you mean ppp0?
[04:17] <Echylo> owke
[04:17] <Echylo> maybe it's that
[04:17] <mikep> i used dist-upgrade Saturday and upgraded to kernel 2.6.8.1-5-386 without any problems.
[04:18] <farruinn> how do I create "startup items" for non-gnome xsessions?
[04:18] <farruinn> eg I want gnome-settings-daemon to run in things like fluxbox etc
[04:19] <bob2> farruinn: ~/.xsession
[04:19] <bob2> create it
[04:20] <bob2> run whatever commands you want in there
[04:20] <bob2> (with a trailing &)
[04:20] <bob2> the last line should be "exec fluxbox"
[04:20] <farruinn> bob2: ok, but there's already a fluxbox.desktop in /usr/share/xsessions
[04:21] <farruinn> can I just tack on what I want there?
[04:21] <bob2> blah
[04:21] <bob2> possibly
[04:21] <bob2> the gdm session stuff is annoying
[04:21] <farruinn> heheh, I'll see if I can make sense of it then
[04:24] <Echylo> bob2, It won't work
[04:24] <Echylo> the ppp0 interface
[04:24] <dmouritsendk> membreya: i'm note sure i understand you correctly, but if you just want to have /proc/version to read gcc 3.4 you need to recompile the kernel with gcc 3.4 (or get a kernel compiled with 3.4). the gcc listed in /proc/version is simply the version of gcc used to compile the kernel.
[04:24] <Echylo> and when I use eth0 it updates wrong
[04:25] <Echylo> and ifconfig only recognizes 2 devices
[04:25] <Echylo> eth0 & l0
[04:26] <membreya> dmouritsendk: ok then ...but doing a ./configure on a package the config.log shows configure:1354: g++ --version </dev/null >&5
[04:26] <membreya> g++ (GCC) 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-8ubuntu2)
[04:26] <Kawwz> www.otomotivshow.com   WEBSITE HOSTING RESELLER DOMAIN
[04:26] <membreya> and reads the 3.3.5 specs
[04:26] <membreya> but then later on reads the 3.4.4
[04:27] <marcin_ant> hi all
[04:27] <membreya> wow....bob2 is scary :)
[04:27] <bob2> Echylo: so...you have a dsl modem, which is doing the connecting, and your machine connects to that via ethernet?
[04:28] <marcin_ant> I got sony ericsson k700i cell phone - does anyone know how to get access to it's ftp server via obex from ubuntu?
[04:28] <dmouritsendk> membreya, maybe you have a different version installed somewhere in /usr (the 3.3.5 one)?
[04:28] <bob2> membreya: what have you done to gcc on your machine?
[04:28] <membreya> bob2: got two versions running :|
[04:28] <Echylo> yes bob2 :)
[04:28] <membreya> dmouritsendk: /usr/bin has gcc 3.3.5 and 3.4.4
[04:28] <bob2> membreya: both from packages?
[04:29] <bob2> you really shouldn't be screwing the way you are
[04:29] <membreya> bob2: it was weeks ago, can't recall if I compiled 3.4.4 or not
[04:29] <bob2> just tell whatever program this is to use gcc-3.4
[04:29] <membreya> it's marked as installed in synaptic though
[04:29] <membreya> and I can't remove 3.3.5 in synaptic..it gives me just about every program will be removed
[04:30] <dmouritsendk> membreya, how does it differentiate between them? do they have unique names, also is there a gcc symlink somewhere and if so which one does it point at?
[04:30] <goldfish> http://uploads.thawall.net/pics/funnies/retard_macs.jpg
[04:30] <bob2> membreya: seriously, don't overwrite stuff
[04:30] <dmouritsendk> membreya, are you sure ubuntu supports (im currently not a ubuntu user) 3.4?
[04:31] <bob2> if you really insist on playing the omg lolz new gcc game, install it in a different prefix
[04:31] <bob2> or under a different name
[04:31] <bob2> dmouritsendk: it's in the archive, but not the default
[04:31] <membreya> well gcc -v used to give 3.3.5 so someone in #linux suggested that I just cp gcc3-4 to gcc
[04:31] <bob2> oh god
[04:31] <membreya> should I just cp gcc3-3 back?
[04:31] <bob2> jesus
[04:31] <membreya> tell me about it bob2 ...I've learnt a lot since then :(
[04:31] <bob2> if you remember who it was, please tell me so I can beat them up
[04:32] <membreya> maybe this is why I'm getting lots of errors in my compiles :P
[04:32] <bob2> shockingly
[04:32] <dmouritsendk> ok, shouldn't he just be able to upgrade the 3.3 to the 3.4 from the archive?
[04:32] <Echylo> ok bob2 i'll explain again in one line :), I have a dsl modem, which does the connecting, and my computer connects to that via ethernet card(eth0) when I try to update with ez-ipupdate it replies the ip of my computer(10.0.0.1) instead of my real one
[04:33] <bob2> randomly overwriting binaries is never a good idea
[04:33] <jesus\> hmm, I have no sound when playing .swf files, but my sound is working with rhythmbox. How do I configure the flash sounds settings?
[04:33] <bob2> dmouritsendk: no
[04:33] <membreya> synaptic says 3.3 and 3.4 are both installed
[04:33] <bob2> dmouritsendk: what he/she should have done is install the gcc-3.4 package and configure whatever source it is to build with gcc-3.4
[04:33] <bob2> membreya: your system is screwed
[04:33] <membreya> removing either of the 3.X bases will kill a lot of programs
[04:33] <goldfish> fem
[04:33] <bob2> membreya: reinstall all of gcc
[04:33] <Get> I got errors like this when i try to compile mplayer, why? :
[04:33] <Get> /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.a(glxcmds.o)(.text+0x2eea): In function `glXGetMscRateOML':: undefined reference to `XF86VidModeQueryVersion'
[04:33] <bob2> membreya: and in future, don't listen to morons who advise you to overwrite stuff
[04:33] <Get> /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.a(glxcmds.o)(.text+0x2f1a): In function `glXGetMscRateOML':: undefined reference to `XF86VidModeGetModeLine'
[04:34] <bob2> Get: are you using the nvidia binary drivers?
[04:34] <Get> bob2: the ubuntu default?
[04:34] <membreya> willdo bob2...doing a "reinstall" on gcc3.3
[04:34] <bob2> Get: no
[04:34] <bob2> Echylo: it doesn't have an option to select which interface it uses?
[04:35] <membreya> gcc -v gives 3.3.5 again :D
[04:35] <Get> bob2: I use them in the ubuntu package system..
[04:35] <membreya> hmmm I can't remove 3.4 though :'(
[04:36] <Echylo> no :)
[04:36] <dmouritsendk> bob2, ok. so you still need 3.3 installed besides it or ?
[04:36] <[Zenith] > How can i make my mp3 files automaticly start in XMMS?
[04:36] <Echylo> it works with a .conf file
[04:36] <bob2> dmouritsendk: not really
[04:37] <bob2> but it's far easier
[04:37] <bob2> Echylo: oh, wait
[04:37] <bob2> Echylo: you're being nat'd by the modem?
[04:37] <Echylo> yes
[04:37] <Echylo> napt
[04:37] <Echylo> network adress port translation or something like that
[04:38] <BobaFett> Hey guys...Anyone knows hoy to join an Ubuntu team? I wanna help...
[04:38] <dmouritsendk> bob2, why isn't it possible to upgrade 3.3 to the one from the archive then?
[04:38] <michael> disconnect
[04:38] <BobaFett> I couldnt find info on the website
[04:38] <membreya> I would prefer to run 3.4 as my GCC as it fixes a few of the ICE errors ...but I would prefer to clean everything up first
[04:38] <Echylo> bobafett I'm interested in that too, like to translate things to dutch
[04:38] <bob2> dmouritsendk: it's not "upgrading"
[04:38] <BobaFett> Id like to help with translations and eye candy :)
[04:38] <bob2> dmouritsendk: they're seperate packages
[04:38] <BobaFett> But couldnt find the application form or such
[04:39] <bob2> BobaFett: there's lots of info on the website
[04:39] <membreya> if I choose to remove gcc3.4 I get that it's going to remove galeon, mozilla, and my thunderbird stuff
[04:39] <bob2> membreya: no
[04:39] <BobaFett> bob2: All I found was how to help with the wiki, commands, debugging, compiling...all things I cant do :(
[04:39] <bob2> membreya: do you mean "gcc-3.4-base"?
[04:39] <membreya> yes
[04:39] <bob2> BobaFett: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Teams
[04:39] <AcidWolf> cant wait to see what Ubuntu 6.04 Perky Penguin looks like
[04:40] <bob2> membreya: you don't want to remove that
[04:40] <Echylo> Bob2, you know a solution?
[04:40] <bob2> membreya: the only thing you care about is gcc-3.4 and friends
[04:40] <dmouritsendk> bob2, aaah. gotcha :p
[04:40] <BobaFett> bob2: checking...thanks a bunch!
[04:40] <bob2> Echylo: I've never used it, sorry
[04:40] <Echylo> ok
[04:40] <Echylo> thanks anyway
[04:40] <bluefoxicy> setting up acpi-support hanged
[04:40] <bluefoxicy> and I had to kill it
[04:40] <membreya> bob2: so leave gcc-3.4-base but remove gcc-3.4 and gcc-3.4-doc?
[04:40] <bluefoxicy> and synaptic won't finish it so I ahve to apt-get install to finish the thing.
[04:41] <oly> hi, i have 3 computers here running hoary, the network shares work on all but 1
[04:41] <dmouritsendk> bob2, btw. can you tell me if the ubuntu installer supports lvm?
[04:41] <oly> that one computer can not see its own network file shares let alone any other computers seeing them
[04:42] <oly> has anyone an suggestions as possible causes
[04:42] <membreya> oly: tried going to a terminal and doing an /etc/init.d/samba start
[04:42] <membreya> I had a problem where my samba wasn't automatically starting
[04:42] <dims> Hi, can anyone help to set up APC smart UPS on UBUNTU ?
[04:43] <oly> that has made no difference
[04:43] <oly> i would think its running anyway, because that computer can see the other two
[04:43] <oly> just not its own shared files
[04:44] <Goshawk> is there somebody that can try this script and send me results? http://81.113.230.186/kalatlug/Projects/usplash/test-script.sh
[04:44] <airox> Does anybody know if there is an xfree86 configuration option to move the screen some pixels to the left ??
[04:44] <membreya> oly do a sudo testparm
[04:44] <Chipzz> airox: you can insert your own modelines in xorg.conf
[04:45] <oly> done that
[04:45] <oly> Server role: ROLE_STANDALONE
[04:45] <airox> Chipzz: I don't have x.org :)
[04:45] <oly> is that correct ?
[04:45] <airox> But it would be the same I guess ?
[04:45] <Chipzz> airox: or XF86Config-4
[04:45] <oly> it dont sound like it to me at least :p
[04:45] <airox> Chipzz: ok
[04:45] <membreya> yup
[04:45] <Chipzz> airox: use xvidtune
[04:46] <Chipzz> airox: but why not just use the controls on your monitor?
[04:46] <airox> Chipzz: It's a laptop, it doesn't have those controls :(
[04:46] <membreya> hmmm all these updates are coming out for gnome apps with 2.10
[04:46] <Chipzz> airox: oh
[04:46] <membreya> does that means we're close to a stable release? :)
[04:47] <Chipzz> *sigh*
[04:47] <goldfish> lol
[04:47] <Xappe> membreya, I checked the "about gnome" in the system menu...it says 2.10.0
[04:47] <Xappe> :)
[04:47] <membreya> hmmm guess I need to reboot
[04:47] <membreya> wooooo stable release :D
[04:48] <oly> testparm actually returns this on the share
[04:48] <oly> params.c:Sections() - Empty section name in configuration file
[04:49] <airox> Chipzz: That xvidtune doesn't have such an option like moving the screen 5pixels to the left
[04:49] <airox> So I should make some modelines ?
[04:49] <Chipzz> airox: no, xvidtune is a gui app
[04:49] <dims> Hi, can anyone help to set up APC smart UPS on UBUNTU ?
[04:50] <airox> Chipzz: I have run xvidtune
[04:50] <jesus\> my flashmovies don't have sound :/
[04:50] <airox> I can't move the screen, only make it narrower and bigeer etc
[04:51] <Chipzz> airox: click the buttons labeled "left" and "right"
[04:51] <airox> Then the screen get's all messed up :S
[04:52] <TheRocco> what does "cant access procfs/sysfs file" mean?
[04:52] <jesus\> how can i have no process "esd" of "polyp" running and still have sound?
[04:53] <Chipzz> airox: it's not garanteed to work :S
[04:53] <Chipzz> it doesn' have much effect on my laptop
[04:54] <membreya> bob2: did you answer my question before about the base?
[04:55] <Chipzz> I guess it's mostly made for CRTs
[04:55] <Chipzz> jesus\: you are using oss for sound?
[04:55] <Get> hmm, I want to rip .ram to .mp3, what should I use?
[04:55] <jesus\> Chipzz:  no, alsa
[04:56] <Chipzz> jesus\: well, the app you're running uses alsa directly maybe?
[04:56] <jesus\> hmm
[04:58] <jesus\> the problem is this firefox plugin for flash
[04:58] <jesus\> I can't configure it, and I don't know how it is trying to play sounds
[04:58] <jesus\> all i know is i don't hear anything :)
[04:59] <Chipzz> yea, got the same problem
[04:59] <Chipzz> killall esd fixes it
[04:59] <jesus\> i don't have esd running :|
[04:59] <Chipzz> but then the rest of your desktop doesn't make sound anymore
[04:59] <jesus\> lol
[05:01] <AcidWolf> whats the commd to for me to upgrade dist from warty to hoary again  (i forget)
[05:02] <fgx> hello
[05:03] <fgx> someone here using php on warty?
[05:04] <goldfish> i am fgx
[05:04] <fgx> goldfish, which php version?
[05:04] <goldfish> but i am a n00b
[05:04] <goldfish> em
[05:04] <goldfish> dunno
[05:05] <goldfish> I am not on my oc now.
[05:05] <goldfish> *pc
[05:08] <AcidWolf> how do i check which version im using
[05:09] <AcidWolf> cause for some weired reason it seems to think i have hoary already running O_o
[05:09] <AcidWolf> and can someone maybe help me to understand why these commands are not working for me
[05:10] <oriol> someboby knows what happens with hoary ppc and kmail? today there was an upgrade of kdelibs to the new version 3.4 and kmail says
[05:10] <AcidWolf> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=12174 <--- these commands
[05:10] <oriol> segmentation fault
[05:10] <oriol> (sorry)
[05:12] <oriol> there is a site for the ubuntu bugs, like http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ on debian?
[05:14] <Tomcat_> oriol: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/
[05:14] <oriol> thx
[05:16] <Slaven> VLC crashes when I try to switch to full screen mode.
[05:16] <bretzel> Hi there, Is there KDE3.4 packages for Ubuntu ?
[05:16] <thr1ce> will I notice a big decrease in speed switching to ubuntu from slackware?
[05:17] <Riddell> bretzel: yes
[05:17] <Riddell> bretzel: arts and libs are in hoary
[05:18] <Riddell> bretzel: you can get the rest from  deb http://jasmine.19inch.net/~jr/away/kubuntu/ ./
[05:18] <thr1ce> no
[05:18] <thr1ce> 3.3.2
[05:18] <kent> thr1ce, if you run the same applications, no.. I cant see why you should.
[05:20] <Xappe> damnit, I just spilled coffee in my logitech keyboard
[05:20] <oly> hum, if i share files with nfs do they show up in network servers ?
[05:20] <oly> like they do with samba
[05:20] <oly> ?
[05:21] <|rufius|> oly, nope
[05:21] <|rufius|> unless you're port scanning for them
[05:21] <StoffBox-Steve> Xappe, clean them and good is :)
[05:21] <oly> how woudl you access them then ?
[05:21] <hawke_> Xappe: Was it Folger's coffee that you spilled in your Logitch keyboard?
[05:21] <|rufius|> oly, know the IP and set it up
[05:22] <Xappe>  hawke, haha
[05:22] <oly> what do i set it up with ?
[05:22] <oly> i have not used nfs at all
[05:22] <oly> no idea where to even start looking :p
[05:22] <|rufius|> oly, go to http://tldp.org
[05:22] <|rufius|> search for the NFS tutorial
[05:23] <Xappe> hawke_, the thing is that logitech keyboards are more expensive than the no name ones ;)
[05:23] <oly> okay, thxs |rufius|
[05:23] <Myrtti> Xappe: not necessarily
[05:23] <Xappe> low profile keys (laptop style keys) and so on
[05:23] <Myrtti> logitech keyboards are the cheapest of the name brands
[05:24] <thr1ce> ?
[05:24] <StoffBox-Steve> hey Xappe be happy Logitech keyboards hydrophobic
[05:24] <hawke_> Xappe: Aye, I understand...just teasing.  The one that really pissed me off was when I broke my Northgate Omnikey...they don't make them anymore... :-(
[05:25] <Xappe> yepp, they swirl around and creates a little pretective hydrophobic ball
[05:25] <rapha> Hi all!
[05:26] <coroner> is it possible to copy a / partition from one hdd to another and be used on the exact same system. for instance from a smaller hdd to a bigger one and keep the configuration ?
[05:27] <blackfeet> hi, first off all, sorry for my bad english, i've a view general questions about ubuntu
[05:27] <StoffBox-Steve> no you have to change the path .. why old : hda1  new: hb1 ....
[05:27] <hawke_> coroner: Yes
[05:27] <Xappe> coroner, if you switch places of the disks, then you should be fine
[05:27] <thr1ce> anyone use the 2.6.11 kernel + an ATI card ?
[05:28] <hawke_> coroner: you might have to rerun lilo or grub-install
[05:28] <hawke_> coroner: and if you don't change where the drive is connected, change /etc fstab and /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:29] <blackfeet> has ubuntu a package management system like apt or gentoo portage?
[05:29] <coroner> ahh no worries
[05:29] <thr1ce> apt
[05:29] <Myrtti> blackfeet: yes, apt.
[05:29] <coroner> its just now that im getting used to this os abit, i can see myself filling this 6gb quickly
[05:29] <fgx> i'd like to upgrade from php4.3.8 to 4.3.10 on warty. what's the better way to do it?
[05:29] <StoffBox-Steve> blackfeet, ubuntu use APT from debian
[05:29] <blackfeet> oh, and is it possible to use the packages built for debian also in ubuntu?
[05:29] <Slaven> balckfeet: yes.
[05:30] <wezzer-> is synaptic graphical frontend to apt?
[05:30] <Slaven> yes.
[05:30] <Xappe> wezzer, yes
[05:30] <wezzer-> ok, thanks
[05:30] <blackfeet> nice, but what's all in all the difference between ubuntu and debian?
[05:31] <drspin> Ubuntu is debian-based
[05:31] <Goshawk> blackfeet, ubuntu is upgraded frequently
[05:31] <drspin> it takes a snapshot of unstaqble and makes it stable every few months ;)
[05:31] <thr1ce> "unstable" really isn't too unstable
[05:31] <Goshawk> blackfeet, udev+hotplug works very well
[05:31] <drspin> right...
[05:32] <drspin> but it's kind of unstable ;)
[05:32] <blackfeet> Goshawk: devfs is enougth
[05:32] <drspin> therefore... unstable ;)
[05:32] <Goshawk> since.. you have to link a usb-pen to be mounted and displayed (also for cameras)
[05:32] <Goshawk> blackfeet, i used debian for 4 years... and no, it's not enought
[05:32] <StoffBox-Steve> and ubuntu only support a few systems, and its more for desktop use than server ...
[05:32] <blackfeet> Goshawk: ok, that i've never had
[05:32] <Goshawk> blackfeet, i suggest you to try it
[05:33] <Goshawk> and the you will make your idea
[05:33] <Goshawk> about that
[05:33] <airox> I have installed tosh-utils, how can I bring the laptop into sleep mode ??
[05:33] <StoffBox-Steve> its really nice blackfeet :) installer is so easy ;) and you can run xorg when you want in hoary
[05:34] <Goshawk> gnome is not so huge as it is on debian
[05:34] <blackfeet> Goshawk: the problem is that i have not enough space on my disk, so i want to check the major differences first
[05:34] <Goshawk> blackfeet, you can us the livecd so...
[05:34] <blackfeet> Goshawk: since gnome 2.6 i'm using kde ,)
[05:34] <blackfeet> oh, there is a livecd?
[05:34] <Goshawk> blackfeet, i used kde too.. until i discovered ubuntu
[05:34] <Goshawk> ^__^
[05:34] <StoffBox-Steve> blackfeet, than Kbuntu is right :D
[05:34] <Goshawk> yes there is a weekly livecdi think
[05:35] <Xappe> how can I mount a cd burnt with the native cd burner in OSX
[05:35] <Goshawk> but with kubuntu you will lose most of udev+hotplug features
[05:35] <blackfeet> Goshawk: is ubunto designd for gnome?
[05:35] <Goshawk> yes mainly for that
[05:35] <drspin> Xappe: put it in -- it should just show up on the desktop
[05:35] <Goshawk> kubuntu is another project for kde
[05:36] <drspin> Xappe: if not, mount -t iso9660 /path/to/cd/device
[05:36] <drspin> Xappe: you may need to use sudo
[05:36] <blackfeet> so is ubunto the suse of debian ;P
[05:36] <Goshawk> but i suggest you to try ubuntu .... and see how gnome could be better for work than other desktop managers
[05:36] <tritium> Xappe, and a mountpoint ;)
[05:36] <StoffBox-Steve> dont know Goshawk dont test it :) use gnome and the KDE install is just for playing around :D
[05:36] <drspin> blackfeet: ... Ubuntu is in no way like SuSE...
[05:37] <Goshawk> blackfeet, suse is very away from ubuntu
[05:37] <blackfeet> drspin: i'ts ment as the "user-friendly" debian
[05:37] <drspin> blackfeet: oh - in that case :D :D
[05:38] <Xappe> drspin, tritium, no I cant see the contents. it's hfs+ I believe...tried hmount too but it returned an error message
[05:38] <Goshawk> blackfeet, no, since ubuntu is more time loseless
[05:38] <blackfeet> Goshawk: do you know which kernel is running on the livecd?
[05:38] <drspin> hfs+ is a Hard drive filesystem... try it with iso9660
[05:38] <Goshawk> you have not to answar to a lot of questions by debian packages
[05:38] <hawke_> drspin: I believe it's also a CD filesystem
[05:38] <Xappe> drspin, it's a cd file system too, for mac cds
[05:39] <drspin> hawke_you very well could be correct...
[05:39] <Goshawk> blackfeet, there are relases every week i think... so 2.6.[8-10] 
[05:39] <Goshawk> but check first
[05:39] <Goshawk> at ubuntulinux.org
[05:39] <blackfeet> Goshawk: the thing is that i need linux-pptp and the ip_gre module for my internet
[05:40] <Goshawk> i don't know if it's compiled with that.. but it is just for a test.. so if you don't have internet it's not a problem
[05:40] <drspin> Xappe: did you try mount -t  auto just to see?
[05:41] <blackfeet> Goshawk: i will try it and visit the channel later again ;)
[05:41] <blackfeet> thx first
[05:41] <Goshawk> blackfeet, don't thx me.. but at all of those that works every day to make ubuntu so easy to use :-)
[05:42] <dizzie> Evening all :)
[05:43] <blackfeet> oh, just another question ;) whats about the ati-fglx modules? You say ts easy to use, so i try to hope that there is an easy way to get them running ;) does anybody know somthing about this point?
[05:43] <Goshawk> blackfeet, this was another reason
[05:44] <Goshawk> i've an ati radeon 9250 never worked on the outdated Xfree of debian
[05:44] <xxenon> Im quite new to ubunto. If I install 4.10, can I easily update to the latest version (x.org 6.8.2, etc...) ?
[05:44] <Goshawk> on ubuntu with Xorg it works
[05:44] <Xappe> drspin, i get the lable of the cd, but it states it's empty
[05:44] <snowblink> Xappe: mount -t hfsplus device mountpoint
[05:45] <blackfeet> Goshawk: slowly i begin to like it ;) and i think it will be possible to get apt to ask all the questions, because they are often quite important ;)
[05:45] <blackfeet> cya
[05:46] <Goshawk> blackfeet, c u
[05:47] <Goshawk> xxenon, use synaptic pointed to hoary
[05:47] <membreya> anyone here using galeon??
[05:47] <thr1ce> does anyone have an ipod shuffle?
[05:48] <xxenon> Goshawk - ok ...
[05:49] <xxenon> Goshawk - there is no KDE on the CD's ?
[05:49] <Riddell> xxenon: these ones have KDE http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2005-March/000023.html
[05:52] <Xappe> snowblink, then I get two maps that I can cd into but not ls
[05:54] <R0bNyc> Anyone here got 2.6.11 k7 working on their AMd AThlon XP-M Laptop?
[05:54] <wdh> R0bNyc, wish i had one :P
[05:55] <R0bNyc> wdh, lol what u got
[05:55] <bretzel> Oh! Gnome 2.10 is spread! I've got it :-)
[05:55] <wdh> enough, but not a laptop..
[05:56] <R0bNyc> I'm trying to find a good mail client like Thunderbird or Evolution, but I want something that when I click on a email address on the browser that it automatically opens a email with the mail client like for example I do in Windows,
[05:56] <Xappe>  $ hmount /dev/hdc
[05:56] <Xappe> /dev/hdc: contains 1 HFS partition
[05:56] <Xappe> hmount: /dev/hdc: volume is smaller than 800K (Invalid argument)
[05:56] <Xappe> bah
[05:56] <R0bNyc> bretzel, I've got gnome 2.10 with this new distro called Foresight Linux
[05:56] <Xappe> i'm getting tired of this
[05:57] <wdh> R0bNyc, then let gnome know what your favourite mailclient is..
[05:57] <Myrtti> :-D
[05:57] <Myrtti> indeed
[05:57] <xnotte> how can i change my keyboard layout _
[05:57] <R0bNyc> wdh, thanks
[05:58] <goldfish> xnotte: in the computer menu, i think u can do it there, there is a keyboard thingy there
[05:59] <xnotte> goldfish, i want for console
[05:59] <goldfish> oh right
[06:02] <bretzel> R0bNyc: :)
[06:02] <R0bNyc> bretzel, whats up
[06:02] <xnotte> how can i change my keyboard layout _
[06:02] <larsrohdin> if i install the fglrx-driver, does it replace the driver im using now? or can i just remove fglrx later and use this driver again?
[06:03] <wdh> xnotte, why ask twice?
[06:04] <xnotte> wdh, because have entered new persons
[06:04] <Qerub> larsrohdin: yes, you can switch back and forth.
[06:04] <larsrohdin> Qerub, by simply remove the fglrx?
[06:04] <wdh> about 5 maybe? on a total of 373? get real.. think before you speak..
[06:04] <wdh> xnotte, it's quite annoying
[06:05] <bretzel> Sorry: I really need to know where or what to do to make that %$&^&^% apache/inted/https/ accept connections!!!! I have a second PC with hoary server install and the daemonds are running (apache2, webmin, etc...) but connections are refused!!! what can I do ? for my knowledges, everythings are set correctly... I am srewed
[06:05] <xnotte> wdh, if in 373 anyone answered me (maybe away), the 5 who entered, could help...they're awaked
[06:06] <Qerub> larsrohdin: have you seen http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto ?
[06:06] <Qerub> larsrohdin: if you want to use the old driver, just change /etc/modules and your X configuration file
[06:06] <wdh> xnotte, forget it.. you just dont do this.. and btw.. google is a very good help on little things like this..
[06:07] <xinel> hey all
[06:07] <xnotte> wdh, *
[06:08] <wdh> xnotte, http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/?hl=nl&q=how+can+i+change+my+keyboard+layout+_&btnG=Google+zoeken&lr=
[06:08] <xnotte> wdh, *
[06:09] <wdh> xnotte, stfu :)
[06:09] <xinel> want a harder problem to help fix :P
[06:09] <wdh> xinel, here i present xnotte to you :)
[06:10] <xinel> nah tis okies
[06:10] <Echylo> question? do there exist gaim , msn messenger popup look a likes? like you don't get only noticed by a sound but with a pop up when someone comes online
[06:10] <bretzel> Please I need to know why my other machine refuses any connections - excepted ssh: apache2, webin, and inetd are running...
[06:11] <Qerub> Echylo: I believe there's a plugin for Gaim that does exactly that.
[06:11] <Echylo> http://www.google.com
[06:11] <Echylo> lets search then!
[06:12] <xinel> wells my problem is a goody: i have two computers running ubuntu and networked, samba works, the computer with the printer on can print, the other computer cannot
[06:13] <xinel> ive set up samba printer configs
[06:13] <xinel> setup cupsd.conf
[06:13] <xinel> just can't connect through to print
[06:13] <Qerub> xinel: why not print through cups directly?
[06:13] <xinel> i can on the computer with the printer connected
[06:14] <xinel> im trying to get the computer without the printer to print over the network
[06:14] <GarySaved> How do I go about editing the menu system?
[06:15] <bretzel> what is that command to reconfigure a pkg: let say nfs-common ?
[06:15] <xinel> dpkg-reconfigure
[06:15] <bretzel> thanx xinel
[06:15] <xinel> np
[06:15] <jesuel> grr
[06:16] <GarySaved> I installed a couple games, but they were not put in the menu.
[06:16] <xinel> go to apps, games, right click, entire menu, add new item to menu
[06:18] <xinel> oh btw about my prob, i did an nmap and the comp with the printer on has all the ports open i need to print
[06:19] <xf__> howdy; this has probably been asked 5 million times but is hoary in a usable state?
[06:19] <xf__> i.e. is it around the same stability as sid, i.e. i shouldn't expect /too/ much breakage by using it?
[06:19] <GarySaved> I don't get anything when I right-click the games option.  When I right-click an actual game, I get options to put it in the panel.
[06:19] <xf__> i.e. my mail server might stop working, but it won't run off with my girlfriend or corrupt data?
[06:19] <goldfish> xinel: ports forwarded from router?
[06:20] <xf__> wow, i'm using i.e. a lot. more coffee, i think
[06:20] <xinel> don't need to its over my switch on my lan
[06:20] <larsrohdin> excuse a stupid question but what is the command to start fglrx-control?
[06:20] <goldfish> kk
[06:20] <Montagh> just as long as youre not using IE
[06:20] <xinel> its funny coz its lame :P
[06:21] <larsrohdin> i thought it was fglrx-control but it says "unknown command"... and i just installed it...
[06:21] <goldfish> reboot needed maybe?
[06:21] <larsrohdin> just did that...
[06:21] <xf__> anyone?
[06:21] <goldfish> xinel: it is
[06:21] <goldfish> gah
[06:21] <goldfish> tab
[06:21] <goldfish> xf__: yes
[06:22] <xf__> so i should expect it to be like sid?
[06:22] <xinel> awww i saw blue
[06:22] <xinel> :/
[06:22] <goldfish> xinel: lol
[06:23] <GarySaved> xf__, I am using it, and I have not had and problems at all.
[06:23] <GarySaved>  ... Well, not many ...
[06:23] <xf__> ok, no problems.
[06:23] <xf__> heh, what problems?
[06:23] <Parallax_> I just bought an HP iPAQ rx3715 and I have to stick with M$ Outl**k for the syncronization, Is there any alternatives with my best friend "Ubuntu" ????
[06:24] <xf__> i can handle the occasional broken package needing manual fixing, but i don't want things like a broken fsck killing my partitions, or a broken postfix corrupting my maildirs
[06:24] <GarySaved> Mostly just me trying to figure out how it needs for things to be done.  Nothing has gone wrong.
[06:25] <xf__> oh, cool, can handle that
[06:25] <xf__> i'm using third party backports though, so herm, i can see i'm in for some fun
[06:25] <goldfish> heh
[06:26] <Echylo> anybody knows how to get the pop ups for gaim working? I get this error when installing :
[06:26] <Echylo> e following packages have unmet dependencies:
[06:26] <Echylo>   gaim-guifications: Depends: libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.6.0) but 2.4.7-0ubuntu2 is to be installed
[06:26] <Echylo>                      Depends: libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.8.0) but 1.6.0b-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[06:26] <Echylo>                      Depends: gaim (>= 1:1.1) but 1:1.0.0-1ubuntu1.2 is to be installed
[06:26] <xinel> hrmms
[06:27] <xinel> i do a /usr/bin/smbclient -L name
[06:27] <xinel> and i see no printers :E
[06:27] <Qerub> Echylo: http://guifications.sourceforge.net/
[06:30] <GarySaved> Is there a way to add programs to the menu?  Right clicking does not bring anything up.
[06:31] <membreya> GarySaved: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=77243
[06:31] <Echylo> Qerub, where do you think I downloaded it?
[06:32] <mdke> hi there. Mplayer crashes when I attempt to open a dvd. the error is "Mplayer interrupted by signal 11 in module decode_audio. Does anyone know why this is? I believe I have installed all the relevant packages for dvd playback. I am on hoary
[06:33] <wezzer-> try mplayer -ao help
[06:33] <blizah> can i make a add to  panel icon that opens a terminal and then types something to run a program for me?
[06:33] <mdke> wezzer, ok
[06:33] <StoffBox-Steve> GarySaved, you men to the apps  menu ?
[06:33] <StoffBox-Steve> mean
[06:33] <blizah> im tring to make an icon for steam but it needs to run through cedega
[06:33] <blizah> woundering how i do this
[06:34] <JordanAU> I am trying to install ndiswrapper to get my wifi up and running, according to their site, i have to have a link to the kernel source. Problem is, i can't find the source in /src/build like i think i am supposed to
[06:34] <mdke> wezzer, willuse xine for now. seems it works ok
[06:34] <benjanet> can someone help me configuring sound engine on Amarok ?
[06:35] <StoffBox-Steve> GarySaved, its not an easy way, but its a way in hoary .. > > > http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=18034
[06:35] <bretzel> How to remove completely a pkg with apt-get ?? can't find that magic option... I need to totally remove apache-1.x and let apache2 running alone
[06:35] <wezzer> mdke: ok
[06:35] <goldfish> GarySaved: are you on warty?
[06:36] <GarySaved> StoffBox-Steve, Yes ... There really was no way to modify the menus in hoary?  That hardly seems plosible!
[06:36] <Parallax_> I just bought an HP iPAQ rx3715 and I have to stick with M$ Outl**k for the syncronization, Is there any alternatives with my best friend "Ubuntu" ????
[06:36] <GarySaved> Plausable ?
[06:36] <goldfish> :)
[06:37] <GarySaved> Yes, I am using Hoary
[06:37] <StoffBox-Steve> i know thats foobaa in hoary, the easy with in warty "application:///" dosnt work in hoary :( for the time this is the only way i know to do it
[06:37] <BockBilbo> is it possible to make ico files in ubuntu?
[06:38] <StoffBox-Steve> @ GarySaved
[06:38] <BockBilbo> i want to make a favicon for my server
[06:38] <BockBilbo> :S
[06:38] <Goshawk> BockBilbo, no.. it is impossible :D
[06:38] <Qerub> BockBilbo: icoutils
[06:38] <Goshawk> use gimp ^__^
[06:38] <Qerub> BockBilbo: png<->ico
[06:39] <GarySaved> StoffBox-Steve, Thanks.  I can not believe they overlooked something that important!
[06:39] <Goshawk> Qerub, good ^__^
[06:39] <blizah> anyone know if its possible to make an icon that not only opens a terminal but types some stuff in it also?
[06:39] <Vjaz> Parallax_: I have no idea about how good the software is, but there's at least "multisync" and "synce" that are aimed at syncronizing with PocketPCs. You might want to see if there's anything on the forums about them or Pocket PC's in general.
[06:39] <BockBilbo> mm interesting
[06:40] <StoffBox-Steve> i search yesterday for a warty like way .. after an hour i go crazy and give up :S
[06:40] <Parallax_> Vjaz: I already tried but with no luck :(
[06:40] <wdh> blizah, --help ?
[06:42] <membreya> so glad they're up to a stable release of gnome :)
[06:42] <goldfish> fluxbox!
[06:43] <JordanAU> where is the kernel source????
[06:44] <theine_> JordanAU: you need to install it!!!!
[06:45] <roben> is  there any swedish translation project active yet?
[06:45] <mdke> i've trawled the website for a while. Who can tell me how to enable hdparm for my cdrom on a permanent basis? thanks in advance
[06:45] <mdke> i mean dma
[06:45] <AngryClip> is there any tool to edit the gnome menus (the ones that load up when you press the foot)
[06:45] <thetaphi> is ubuntu a from source distro?
[06:46] <mdke> thetaphi, nope
[06:46] <roben> thetaphi what does that mean?
[06:46] <mdke> binary
[06:46] <Guinea> Hi there!
[06:46] <roben> ok
[06:46] <theine_> mdke: you probably need to look in /etc/hdparm.conf
[06:46] <membreya> mdke: /etc/hdparm.conf
[06:46] <thetaphi> AngryClip i think as of these latest releases of gnome the menu is non-editable/dynamic... don't take my word for it though
[06:46] <membreya> AngryClip: : http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=77243
[06:46] <StoffBox-Steve> roben, sure there is a swedish tranlation when you use hoary
[06:47] <thetaphi> roben, it means all software is compiled on the fly for your particular machine rather than pre-compiled and pre-packaged for a broad range of machines
[06:47] <mdke> theine_, membreya, can you tell me what should be in there?
[06:47] <GarySaved> When I go to ubuntu and try to login, it does not like the certificate.  Is this being fixed?
[06:47] <membreya> read the conf :)
[06:47] <Guinea> I've got a problem with installing programs. If I type ./configure into the terminal, it says no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[06:47] <thetaphi> mdke ok cool thanks
[06:47] <itamar> are there any hoary netinst CDs?
[06:47] <thetaphi> just wondering
[06:47] <mdke> membreya, ok i've read it. Is devfs enabled on ubuntu?
[06:47] <membreya> Guinea: got gcc installed is?
[06:47] <Guinea> Well...
[06:47] <farruinn> thetaphi: if you wished, you could install a base system then use apt-get source -b all the time instead of apt-get install...
[06:48] <farruinn> thetaphi: but I don't think it's really worth it
[06:48] <theine_> mdke: yeah, everything's explained in config file
[06:48] <mdke> theine_, not whether ubuntu uses devfs or not tho
[06:48] <xinel> bah
[06:48] <Guinea> I tried to install gcc, but it says ./configure: line 2332: cc: command not found
[06:48] <Guinea> *** The command 'cc -o conftest -g   conftest.c' failed.
[06:48] <Guinea> *** You must set the environment variable CC to a working compiler.
[06:48] <xinel> double bah
[06:48] <StoffBox-Steve> itamar, i know there is a netinstall image on the cd :)
[06:48] <xinel> well samba works i will just copy over whatever i want to print and then do it locally
[06:48] <xinel> :E
[06:48] <theine_> mdke: it doesn't
[06:48] <mdke> hmm
[06:49] <theine_> mdke: anyway, that's quite independent of hdparm/dma
[06:49] <mdke> theine_, it is relevant to what syntax to use in the conf. are you sure it doesn't?
[06:49] <GarySaved> Does anyone else have a problem with their certificate?
[06:49] <theine_> mdke: is it? i didn't know that
[06:50] <thetaphi> how long ago did ubuntu come out?
[06:50] <thetaphi> is 4.10 still the latest release?
[06:50] <mdke> theine_, you're the one who told me to read the conf ;)
[06:50] <mdke> thetaphi, yes
[06:50] <sophief> hi
[06:50] <netpuppy> thetaphi, warty was the first release
[06:50] <thetaphi> mdke k when did that come out?
[06:50] <mdke> thetaphi, october last year
[06:50] <thetaphi> netpuppy when did it come out?
[06:50] <sophief> hi
[06:50] <thetaphi> aight cool thx
[06:50] <StoffBox-Steve> the last "stable" thetaphi the last is Hoary Arry6
[06:50] <Echylo> configure: error: Library requirements (gaim) not met; consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your libraries are in a nonstandard prefix so pkg-config can find them.
[06:50] <sophief> how to config printer
[06:50] <theine_> mdke: alright, use the one for no devfs systems then
[06:50] <Echylo> what should I do now ?
[06:50] <mdke> StoffBox-Steve, that is really misleading
[06:50] <Guinea> So, how do I install gcc?:-/
[06:51] <netpuppy> thetaphi, as the name suggests, in month 10 of 2004
[06:51] <goldfish> Guinea: from a terminal, sudo apt-get install gcc
[06:51] <dev_alex_> hey, I have a question, how safe is it remove ubuntu-base?
[06:51] <mdke> theine_, yep ok have done
[06:51] <will> Guinea: try sudo apt-get build-essential
[06:52] <mdke> theine_, ok it has worked thanks for your help
[06:52] <StoffBox-Steve> why mdke the last stable is Warty , and the last release is Hoary Array 6 ;)
[06:52] <mdke> StoffBox-Steve, ah yes that's true. you said the last stable one was hoary
[06:52] <mdke> misunderstanding
[06:54] <Guinea> Hey, seems to work, thanks!
[06:54] <theine_> mdke: does /etc/init.d/hdparm exist?
[06:54] <mdke> theine_, sure
[06:56] <art_> Hi. I've installed Ubuntu 5.04 and I can't run "nautilus applications:///" to configure gnome menu. Any help?
[06:56] <mdke> art_, it is disabled
[06:57] <art_> why?
[06:57] <mdke> art_, dunno
[06:57] <art_> How can I configure gnome menu ?
[06:57] <mdke> art_, if you're desperate you can edit /usr/share/applications/*.desktop
[06:58] <mdke> system-wide only tho
[06:58] <mdke> i think that is the only way
[06:58] <art_> Some applications are missing so I need to do this
[06:59] <theine_> where is /etc/alternatives/x-cursor-theme supposed to point to?
[06:59] <mdke> art_, ok you have to add .desktop files for the programs you want in the menu. Copy the syntax from existing ones
[06:59] <mdke> theine_, mine goes to /etc/X11/cursors/core.theme
[06:59] <theine_> mdke: thanks
[07:00] <mdke> np
[07:00] <benjanet> can someone help me configuring sound engine on Amarok ?
[07:01] <theine_> mdke: what about /etc/alternatives/mozilla-javaplugin.so?
[07:01] <mdke> theine_, no idea i'm afraid
[07:01] <theine_> mdke: don't have java installed?
[07:01] <mdke> no
[07:01] <theine_> mdke: ok, thanks anyway
[07:01] <mdke> sorry
[07:03] <Guinea> Hmmm...
[07:03] <no0tic> is there a way to leave the session open when burning cd/dvds with nautilus-burner?
[07:03] <Guinea> checking for glib-2.0 >= 2.0.0... Package glib-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path.
[07:04] <Guinea> And now?
[07:05] <Echylo> ooooooow
[07:05] <Echylo> how mean
 I'm confused as to why someone would want to run ubuntu?
[07:05] <mdke> heh
 I thought the benefit was supposed to be frequent releases that are more up to date than debian stable?
[07:05] <mdke> hmm
[07:05] <mdke> that is true isn't it?
[07:06] <mdke> they haven't been late on any releases ;)
[07:06] <Echylo> yea
[07:06] <StoffBox-Steve> its true mdke :)
[07:06] <mdke> actually they are very good on timetables
[07:11] <alessio> gli animali
[07:11] <sankito> can someone tell me how to configure firefox so that when i click on a shoutcast station, it automatically opens xmms and plays it?
[07:13] <Vjaz> StoffBox-Steve: xpenguins is fun... but I'm just wondering what your screen looks like. I mean my screen mostly is completely filled with whatever application (or two) I'm using at the moment. Leaving no space for penguins. :-p
[07:14] <StoffBox-Steve> Vjaz, Dual-head :) one to work and one for staff like chats and list :) so there is allway space for my xpenguins :D btw a revo 1280x1024 on both
[07:15] <mdke> nice
[07:15] <dev_alex_> humm why does ubuntu-base depend on alsa-* ?
[07:16] <mdke> dev_alex_, you can remove ubuntu-base if you like
[07:16] <mdke> its a metapackage
[07:16] <mdke> just a list of the packages which form part of ubuntu's base system
[07:16] <dev_alex_> mdke: but then you miss out on stuff that gets added to ubuntu-base, right ?
[07:16] <mdke> ye[
[07:16] <StoffBox-Steve> dev_alex_, the same with ubuntu-desktop only dummypacks to easy install
[07:16] <mdke> yep
[07:16] <mdke> dev_alex_, that's correct
[07:16] <dev_alex_> I ain't going near -desktop
[07:17] <dmoyne> I am presently testing Ubuntu Wart and I have a few questions :
[07:17] <StoffBox-Steve> :)
[07:17] <mdke> dev_alex_, it's your call. personally i would remove it if you are just going to run a couple of services
[07:17] <Vjaz> StoffBox-Steve: I envy your screen.
[07:18] <Vjaz> 1024x768 on a 12" laptop screen.
[07:18] <mdke> me too
[07:18] <LordC> What software do you guys use for burning CDs? Specifically ISOs? Im an ex-KDE user, so I usually used K3b
[07:18] <mdke> LordC, cdrecord is very easy to use. otherwise nautilus-cd-burner
[07:18] <Vjaz> LordC: Nautilus burner. Right click on an ISO file and select "write to cd" (iirc)
[07:18] <dev_alex_> humm. mdke yer, but then I might be missing out on some ubuntu goodness.  but then I don't think I can live with my servers with all sorts of junk on 'em
[07:19] <kent> LordC, for iso:s nautilus burner,  and for audio I use graveman.
[07:19] <mdke> dev_alex_, are you a good linux user?
[07:19] <mdke> dev_alex_, gentoo is great for servers
[07:19] <StoffBox-Steve> Vjaz, :D the 2nd is a old 15" but runs fine with 1280x1024 and the first its just an normal 17" ... :) why money is in backhand there come a new 22"+ monitor :D
[07:19] <Echylo> checking for GLIB - version >= 2.0.0... no
[07:19] <Echylo> I use warty?
[07:19] <JordanAU> does ubuntu read debian packages???
[07:19] <Echylo> any solution?
[07:19] <dev_alex_> mdke: I'd say decent. I'm a debian fan, and I'm moving away from FBSD
[07:19] <dev_alex_> JordanAU: yap
[07:20] <mdke> dev_alex_, hmm well maybe run debian on your server then
[07:20] <navreet> hi
[07:20] <dmoyne> to use a joystick applications expect js0 in "/dev" ; with Ubuntu the proper js0 is located in "/dev/input" ; the idea is to set a link from "/dev/js0" onto /dev/input/js0" that could be set permanently ! ; how to achieve this ?
[07:20] <Vjaz> Echylo: have you installed libglib2.0-dev?
[07:20] <StoffBox-Steve> sure JordanAU ubuntu is debian base
[07:20] <Echylo> maybe
[07:20] <Echylo> :p
[07:20] <JordanAU> yay!
[07:20] <Echylo> nope
[07:20] <Echylo> :P
[07:20] <mdke> dev_alex_, but if the pc is a decent one and you have plenty of hard disk maybe you would like to keep ubuntu
[07:20] <JordanAU> i can get ndiswrapper to work then!
[07:20] <LordC> Cool, thanks mdke Vjaz  and kent
[07:20] <dev_alex_> mdke: well I'm looking at ubuntu for the quick security fixes  which Debian Sarge doesn't get
[07:21] <navreet> can anyone help me boot ubuntu? i know what partition it is on... (but I didn't want to install grub.. [already have it] ), but I can't seem to boot it, it says "root=" param is not recognized, I know exactly which drive it is on, but I suspect the kernel may think the drive is labeled differently
[07:21] <mdke> dev_alex_, i've never used debian. i presume that debian gets security fixes tho
[07:21] <mdke> dev_alex_, even woody no?
[07:21] <vijub> navreet: is urs a sata drive?
[07:21] <dev_alex_> mdke: woody is 3 years old :)
[07:21] <navreet> vijub, yes :)
[07:21] <mdke> dev_alex_, yes
[07:21] <mdke> dev_alex_, is that bad?
[07:22] <navreet> it should be /dev/sda2
[07:22] <DnaDog> hi
[07:22] <dev_alex_> so the new stuff isn't in there. and the move from FBSD would be too far back
[07:22] <navreet> oh, btw, I installed the amd64 versino
[07:22] <StoffBox-Steve> bad not but for a desktop system its very old mdke :D
[07:22] <mdke> yeah but he is running a server
[07:22] <navreet> vijub, any suggestions
[07:22] <navreet> ?
[07:22] <DnaDog> i am new to apt-get can anyone tell me how i can install kernel sources with apt-get
[07:23] <dmoyne> to use a joystick applications expect js0 in "/dev" ; with Ubuntu the proper js0 is located in "/dev/input" ; the idea is to set a link from "/dev/js0" onto /dev/input/js0" that could be set permanently ! ; how to achieve this ?
[07:23] <mdke> dev_alex_, well if you liked the ports system of freebsd then have a look at gentoo. it is very customisable in terms of what packages you want to use, how heavy you want your dependencies etc
[07:23] <dev_alex_> that doesn't mean I want to run an achent copy of stuff :)
[07:23] <navreet> DnaDog, apt-cache search kernel sources
[07:23] <dev_alex_> ah, I HATE the ports system with a passion :) but I've been told gentoo is nice.
[07:23] <navreet> vijub, ?
[07:24] <mdke> dev_alex_, how come?
[07:24] <navreet> dev_alex_, gentoo is OK
[07:24] <DnaDog> cheers navreet i will give it a go
[07:24] <mdke> dev_alex_, how come you hate the ports system i mean?
[07:24] <R0bNyc> does ubuntu has mplayer, mplayer-plugins, and stuff so I can see videos on browser?
[07:24] <mdke> yes
[07:24] <R0bNyc> what plugins can I get then
[07:24] <mdke> not by default tho
[07:24] <dev_alex_> mdke: I've been bitten in the ass one too many times, creating a repository that deals with dependecies is a royal pain.
[07:24] <wezzer> see ubuntuforums.org
[07:25] <wezzer> there is howto forum
[07:25] <wezzer> and there is multimedia / mplayer thread
[07:25] <mdke> dev_alex_, well maybe steer clear of gentoo tho. it's awesome tho ;)
[07:25] <navreet> can anyone help me boot ubuntu?
[07:25] <dev_alex_> mdke: I know a couple of people that uses it, and I've been assured that ebuilds don't blow as hard :-p
[07:26] <Guinea> Well - I get the message "Package glib-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path. Perhaps you should add the directory containing `glib-2.0.pc'" - But how can I do that?
[07:26] <mdke> dev_alex_, hmm you need to take quite a lot of care with setting your use flags for dependencies tho
[07:27] <streetbmx> hello
[07:27] <dev_alex_> mdke: I currently run a pile of FBSD machines, and I build in-house packaeges so I'll be ok :)
[07:27] <mdke> wow
[07:27] <mdke> dev_alex_, do you have distcc running?
[07:28] <dev_alex_> mdke: what I'd like is to be able to point lots of machines at a reposiroty and keep then in sync with each other, and I's hoping ubuntu might do the job for me
[07:29] <dev_alex_> mdke: nothing fancy like that. its a hassle enough to keep all the boxes upto date
[07:29] <mdke> dev_alex_, run a local repository?
[07:29] <dev_alex_> mdke: yer, that's that some gentoo users have suggested. have a build machnine and binary package repository.
[07:30] <dev_alex_> the same could be done with debian or ubuntu.
[07:30] <mdke> dev_alex_, well i was thinking you could use one machine to build packages on, and get the other machines to help out with the builds
[07:30] <mdke> yeah
[07:30] <mdke> dev_alex_, although you don't need to build the packages ;)
[07:30] <vijub_> navreet: sorry my connection hanged... did u get me
[07:31] <dev_alex_> mdke: I'd have to build all the in-house packages anyway, ans some of the heavy duty ones I'd want to tune them anyway so that's not the hassle.
[07:31] <Echylo> anybody has a link to a tutorial how to get photoshop 7 launched?
[07:32] <dev_alex_> I just like the core OS to be a slim as possible, and ubuntu-base is a tad large for my likeing.
[07:32] <mdke> dev_alex_, ubuntu is not great for that sort of thing
[07:32] <mdke> dev_alex_, imo the dependencies are a bit heavy
[07:33] <dev_alex_> mdke: yes, on the other hand it has a nice 6 month release which would be very nice to track.
[07:33] <Slaven> anyone else experiencing poor graphic performance and sound delays in zsnes?
[07:33] <streetbmx> the ubuntu custom/server install isnt too large
[07:33] <mdke> dev_alex_, well that's the advantage of a port system
[07:34] <mdke> dev_alex_, constantly updating
[07:34] <dev_alex_> streetbmx: umm..  alsa, evms, RAID,  nice but not nessasery.
[07:34] <mdke> dev_alex_, the latter two are easily removed
[07:34] <streetbmx> aw
[07:35] <dev_alex_> mdke: well I think its the oppsite, its too constant, there's no time for sitting back and enjoying the peace.
[07:35] <mdke> dev_alex_, heh
[07:35] <mdke> dev_alex_, well imo if you're running a server you only need security updates, you don't need new releases. As long as the hardware is supported
[07:36] <phester> Im trying to install nVidias audio driver for linux and i get this message: Unable to find the kernel source tree for the currently running kernel.
[07:36] <dev_alex_> mdke: there's some truth in that. but then developers want decently new libs and apps to write code againts so Debian Woody is pushing it, although it would be ideal.
[07:37] <phester> what to do?
[07:37] <mdke> phester, have a look at the wiki on the ubuntu website, or www.ubuntuguide.org
[07:37] <Slaven> hm
[07:38] <Slaven> aren't the nvidia audio drivers included?
[07:38] <mdke> dev_alex_, when is the next deibian release?
[07:38] <Slaven> *curious*
[07:38] <dev_alex_> phester: you need to get hold of your kernel source,  $ dpkg -l linux-image\*  will tell you what kernel you have installed
[07:38] <mdke> sladen, i believe not
[07:39] <mdke> sorry Slaven
[07:39] <dev_alex_> mdke: when they feeling making one. I'm not expecting one anytime soon.
[07:39] <Slaven> don't be sorry
[07:39] <mdke> Slaven, because i got your name wrong
[07:39] <Slaven> :)
[07:40] <dev_alex_> Slaven: there're not 'cos there not totally free I believe
[07:40] <mdke> that's right
[07:40] <Slaven> but nvidia graphic drivers aren't either, are they?
[07:40] <Slaven> but they are included, aren't they?
[07:40] <mdke> not to my knowledge
[07:40] <Slaven> I just had to install glx drivers anyway
[07:41] <dev_alex_> I believe there's a script that downloads the non-free part and compiles it for you, as distribution is not permitted
[07:41] <toto> hi people! I got DSL troubles so I'm trying to install winmodem on my laptop. Actually its all done, and it manages to connect but when I simply try to reach google thru Firefox or try to get mails, it doesn't work... Any ideas?
[07:41] <dev_alex_> (at least that's the case on Debian)
[07:41] <dev_alex_> toto: DNS ?
[07:42] <toto> dev_alex_ ?
[07:42] <mdke> toto, can you ping google.com?
[07:42] <dev_alex_> what happes if you pull up a terminal and go $ping www.google.com
[07:42] <toto> mdke I didnt try
[07:43] <mdke> toto, try, but without the www
[07:43] <toto> but I ping remote IP
[07:43] <Slaven> try pinging 66.102.9.99
[07:44] <toto> ok I'll try but I gotta reboot and all... I'm on win*$$ there
[07:44] <dev_alex_> *sigh* and my search for the perfect disto will have to continue... mayebe I should just use OpenSolaris.
[07:44] <streetbmx> do i need to configure samba in anyway  on the client side to access a samba server share?
[07:44] <toto> what if ping works?
[07:44] <toto> what do I do if ping works?
[07:44] <mdke> toto, then something is seriously wrong
[07:44] <Slaven> dev_alex_: what's your criteria?
[07:45] <toto> :)
[07:45] <mdke> toto, if it doesn't work, then there is something wrong with your dns settings
[07:45] <phester> dev_alex_, is this the kernel source?:linux-image-am 2.6.8.1-13     Linux kernel image on x86_64.
[07:45] <toto> I used pppconfig to create connection
[07:45] <dev_alex_> phester: well thats the image.
[07:45] <phester> ok
[07:45] <mdke> gtg
[07:45] <mdke> laters all
[07:45] <Echylo> why is everybody outside #ubuntu so pissed and unfriendly
[07:46] <dev_alex_> phester: so now you need to install kernel-sorce-2.6.8-1
[07:46] <apokryphos> Echylo: they're not ;-)
[07:46] <Echylo> and then they dare to say that ubuntu is not good
[07:46] <Slaven> Echylo: Good question.
[07:46] <dev_alex_> or something like it
[07:46] <toto> I dont remember having filled any DNS stuff.... :/
[07:46] <apokryphos> Echylo: it depends on where you go; have you been in #debian?
[07:46] <Echylo> no
[07:46] <Echylo> #gaim
[07:46] <vidar_> Hi! i have a problem with my sound, the volume control doesn't work. anyone know how to fix this?
[07:46] <phester> Echylo, ubuntu people is friendly, the rest is unhappy with what they have :)
[07:46] <Echylo> there I ask how long compiling of gaim would take on a p2 with 192 ram
[07:46] <Echylo> "go find out"
[07:46] <toto> vidar_ unmute?
[07:46] <toto> :)
[07:47] <vidar_> hehe
[07:47] <vidar_> nope
[07:47] <apokryphos> Echylo: sounds odd-ish to me. I'd imagine fellow Gnome-ers would be more agreeagle. But, you can't take one visit in a channel obscure your thoughts on what it's like, at other times.
[07:47] <phester> dev_alex_, :ok thx
[07:47] <vidar_> I have sound, but i cant control the volume.
[07:47] <Echylo> I ain't gonna visit every channel ;)
[07:47] <dev_alex_> Slaven: runs on x86, and I want to build a cluster farm out of my box so I'd like to be able to pin the software on the boxes in time and keep then in sync
[07:47] <Slaven> vidar: plug in the speakers? :P
[07:47] <goldfish> lol
[07:48] <vidar_> Slaven , toto : I have sound, but i cant control the volume.
[07:48] <toto> vidar_ install gnome_alsa_mixer or something like that
[07:48] <toto> it's very useful
[07:48] <dev_alex_> Slaven: so an binary packae repository is what I'm thinking. but then I'd like to get seciry fixes in at a decent speed.
[07:48] <vidar_> toto: i believe i have done that.
[07:49] <Slaven> ok.
[07:49] <toto> see what dmesg snd gives
[07:49] <Slaven> how does Solaris work with repositories?
[07:49] <toto> Slaven, I reboot on linux and try to ping and then reboot on win$** if necessary... stay here?
[07:50] <spiral> hi
[07:50] <Slaven> yeah, I'll be around.
[07:50] <dev_alex_> Solaris has binary package you can add/remove and has some repositories but no dependencies, its just a joke 'cos it would piss off my co-worker :-p
[07:50] <toto> thanks! ;)
[07:50] <Slaven> but anyone could help you, really.
[07:51] <dev_alex_> ... maybe you should of told him to take note of his DNS settings and check resolve.conf ?
[07:51] <goldfish> lol
[07:51] <Slaven> oh
[07:52] <streetbmx> im trying  to access a samba share with nautilus, but it doesnt even ask for username or password. and just says folder  contents cannot be displayed, can anyone help?
[07:52] <Slaven> am I the only one helping him now? :P
[07:53] <dev_alex_> streetbmx: what is your samba share setup as?
[07:53] <streetbmx> homes
[07:54] <streetbmx> i set it up like the ubuntuguide shows
[07:54] <dev_alex_> $net rpc share -S <hostname> give you?  (do that from the client machine)
[07:54] <vidar_> toto
[07:55] <vidar_> toto: nothing
[07:55] <dev_alex_> streetbmx: *shurg* I haven't a clue about the ubuntuguide, but I know my way around samba
[07:55] <vidar_> toto: nothing useful that is
[07:55] <streetbmx> homes
[07:55] <streetbmx> print$
[07:55] <streetbmx> IPC$
[07:55] <streetbmx> ADMIN$
[07:55] <streetbmx> brandon
[07:56] <streetbmx> gave me that
[07:56] <dev_alex_> well that means it working to a point .
[07:56] <dev_alex_> my bet is that you don't have a public share so it can't show it to you
[07:56] <streetbmx> i was able to access it from windows
[07:57] <vidar_> Anyone else know how to get my volume control working? i get sound, but can't control the volume.
[07:57] <dev_alex_> oh? oddness.  so you can browse to the same machine from windows, and what does it show you ?
[07:57] <streetbmx> and in nautilus, under the server it shows the homes smb share
[07:57] <streetbmx> in windows it shows me my files
[07:58] <streetbmx> under /home/brandon
[07:58] <dev_alex_> k. but in nautilus it doesn't?
[07:59] <Spug> My PC crashed, and when I booted again a program complains about not being able to write to one of my partitions because it is read-only... I have tried remounting several times
[07:59] <LinuxJones> vidar_, right click the volume control and click properties. If you have more than 1 soundcard on your system select the correct card.
[07:59] <Slaven> I had the same problem with nautilus. It doesn't offer any login-box.
[07:59] <Spug> mount also says that the file system is mounted as rw
[07:59] <Slaven> I use konqueror.
[07:59] <toto> Thanks dudes, I had Static IP configured in pppconfig... :/
[07:59] <streetbmx> nope doesnt work in nautilus
[08:00] <toto> winmodem now works!!! YEAH!
[08:00] <dev_alex_> ok. I'm out of here. its way too late to be in an office.
[08:00] <toto> bye
[08:00] <vidar_> LinuxJones: i have 2 there, and neither of them works with the volum control. It snaps to full, or off.
[08:00] <Echylo> woow
[08:00] <Echylo> lucky day today
[08:00] <Echylo> I managed to compile the latest gaim
[08:01] <goldfish> lol
[08:01] <goldfish> well done
[08:01] <streetbmx> adios alex
[08:01] <Echylo> and to compile the guitifications plugin
[08:01] <Echylo> that's still busy
[08:01] <LinuxJones> vidar_, have a look @ gstreamer-properties, do you know if alsa is setup correctly ?
[08:01] <dev_alex_> Echylo: wow. you one lucky man
[08:01] <Echylo> ...
[08:01] <dev_alex_> or girl.
[08:01] <Echylo> don't laugh or be ironic please :p
[08:02] <Guinea> Hey, what does "fails sanity check" mean?
[08:03] <Echylo> omg
[08:03] <vidar_> LinuxJones: if i press test at alsa, it fails, but ESD works
[08:03] <Echylo> and the plugin compiled fine too
[08:03] <LinuxJones> Guinea, your trying to compile something ?
[08:03] <Echylo> :D
[08:03] <LinuxJones> vidar_, ok make it default and select the non alsa card in gnome volume control properties
[08:04] <Guinea> yes, linuxjones
[08:04] <GarySaved> Hey ... FYI:  I just did an update, and now I can print from the browser.
[08:04] <LinuxJones> Guinea, install build-essential
[08:05] <Echylo> does msn works with someone?
[08:06] <vidar_> LinuxJones: still doesn't work. i can move the volume slider, but it don't react to it. The PCM bar snaps to full, or off.
[08:06] <GarySaved> So ... I did the apt-get to get acroreader and the plugin for mozilla.  It does not work.  Where should I look first to fix it?
[08:06] <TexJoachim> Echylo: with gaim, fine!
[08:06] <Guinea> Linuxjones: How? If found a deb-file?
[08:06] <Echylo> hmm
[08:06] <Echylo> still sending cookie
[08:06] <goldfish> GarySaved: Whats wrong with it?
[08:06] <Echylo> :P
[08:07] <LinuxJones> vidar_, if one of your soundcards in on your motherboard (and your not using it), try disabling it in system bios so Ubuntu doesn't see it
[08:07] <netpuppy> err... why haven't anyone made a clearlooks theme with "Human" color scheme?
[08:07] <Slaven> hm
[08:07] <Slaven> my msn with gaim is sorta unreliable
[08:07] <GarySaved> When I click on a .pdf link, the screen clears, and it says done.  Nothing happens.
[08:07] <Slaven> often, it won't connect
[08:07] <vidar_> LinuxJones: if i press test at alsa, it fails, but ESD works
[08:07] <Spug> My PC crashed, and when I booted again a program complains about not being able to write to one of my partitions because it is read-only... I have tried remounting several times, and mount says that the filesystem is rw
[08:07] <Slaven> like now, for example.
[08:07] <netpuppy> Slaven, that's MSN for you
[08:07] <netpuppy> :)
[08:07] <vidar_> LinuxJones: sorry.. that was wrong
[08:07] <LinuxJones> Guinea, goto a gnome console and type sudo apt-get update && apt-get install build-essential
[08:08] <Slaven> yeah, mebbe.
[08:08] <LinuxJones> vidar_, how's that ?
[08:08] <vidar_> LinuxJones: i use my onboard sound card, i think it's Realtek AC97. i don't have anything else.
[08:08] <TexJoachim> Slaven: not with 1.1.4
[08:09] <LinuxJones> vidar_, mmm it should work :(
[08:09] <vidar_> i know :(
[08:09] <GarySaved> I am so happy to be rid of all the M$ garbage.  I am not even dual booting anymore!
[08:09] <Slaven> I'm asking again -- are there anyone else here that are experiencing vlc crashing when trying to maximize the display?
[08:10] <Slaven> I'm using vlc 0.8.1
[08:10] <GarySaved> Is there somwhere I have to enable the plugin? (To get .pdf files)
[08:11] <goldfish> GarySaved: nope
[08:11] <goldfish> it shud work automatically
[08:11] <Slaven> maybe restart the browser?
[08:11] <goldfish> yeah
[08:11] <GarySaved> Just a sec ...
[08:13] <GarySaved> I just re-started the browser.  I tried a couple files.  The screen blanks, and it says done in the bottom right status bar.
[08:14] <Guinea> Hm... configure: error: *** Didn't find any of FreeType, X11, or Win32.
[08:14] <Guinea> *** Must have at least one backend to build Pango.
[08:14] <Guinea>  ?
[08:14] <Guinea> I just installed Freetype...
[08:14] <Guinea> Or I believe that I did...
[08:15] <LinuxJones> Guinea, what are you compiling ?
[08:15] <Guinea> I try to install this glib/gtk-stuff
[08:15] <Guinea> and there is this pango-thing
[08:15] <Guinea> whatever it is
[08:16] <LinuxJones> Guinea, all of the glib and gtk libraries are available via apt already pre-compiled
[08:16] <Guinea> oh
[08:16] <Guinea> where do i get information about this apt-stuff?
[08:17] <GarySaved> Could it help if I tried it once with mozilla?
[08:17] <zenrox> Guinea,  you need the dev packages to do that
[08:18] <Guinea> How do I get glib/gtk via apt?
[08:18] <zenrox> Guinea, sudo apt-get install package-name
[08:18] <GarySaved> I guess not.  FireFox comes up if you enter mozilla.
[08:19] <Guinea> and what's the name of the gtk-package?!
[08:20] <crimsun_> the binaries? libgtk2.0-0, libgtk2.0-bin, libgtk2.0-common
[08:21] <crimsun_> to compile a GTK+-2 application, you need libgtk2.0-dev
[08:21] <ElVirolo> hi all
[08:24] <ElVirolo> i've got a prob with my hoary installation here : KDM loads up, but I can't log on to ANY WM... Instead, one of these ugly Xdialog windows shows up  saying "xsession: warning: unable to write to /tmp ; X session may end with an error" and then X restarts ... i tried doing a chmod 777 on /tmp, but it still doesn't work, and no error seems to show up in the X.org log...
[08:25] <neighborlee> is anyone else using openscenegraph &/or delta3d ?..if so I need to verify something ;-))
[08:29] <GarySaved> Should there be a symbolic link for pdf files?  It acts like when I had missed one for Java.
[08:30] <Slaven> anyone heard of anyone getting Rpgmaker 2003 working under wine/cedega/whatever?
[08:30] <[Zenith] > Is it possible to get a program to open in the same workspace everytime i open it, like gaim starts in workspace 2 and firefox in workspace 3?
[08:31] <raenk> hi all, I just installed ubuntu, skip the booloader part as i have one already, it's booting right, but I was wondering if it boots with splash image or not, as I added the common line to grub, but nothing about splash, so if there's any splash I would like to know what would be the default line in grub to get this
[08:32] <zenrox> [Zenith] ,  yes put the progam on the desktops you want then logout saving session
[08:32] <zenrox> raenk,  no spasl in warty
[08:32] <zenrox> splas
[08:32] <goldfish> h
[08:33] <zenrox> ya
[08:33] <raenk> zenrox, oh ok, then it's ok
[08:33] <raenk> thanks
[08:33] <zenrox> yep
[08:33] <[Zenith] > zenrox, is that the best solution? Will it affect the performance in Ubuntu?
[08:33] <verbalshadow> hi
[08:33] <zenrox> [Zenith] ,  that will work little slower at login but other wise fine
[08:34] <[Zenith] > zenrox, ok. I will try that, thanx for the help =)
[08:34] <zenrox> [Zenith] ,  n/p
[08:35] <vince_> xvile doesn't start (segmentation fault)..hmm
[08:36] <zenrox> vince_,  you running warty or hoary
[08:36] <kzm> Anybody using upgraded orinoco drivers for WLAN?
[08:36] <vince_> hoary
[08:36] <vince_> newest updates
[08:36] <zenrox> vince log out and log back in if you did updates
[08:36] <vince_> ok, i'll try
[08:36] <zenrox> you got to restart gonome
[08:37] <pestilence> does anybody know why they changed the name of the package python to python-minimal?  it seems to have broken kdelibs4
[08:37] <pestilence> in warty
[08:38] <pestilence> furthermore, where do i point this out so that it gets fixed?
[08:38] <vince_> still the same..
[08:38] <verbalshadow> i googled for a way to login/use a windows domain and didn't find one, can someone point me in the right direction
[08:38] <mikep> Anyone know where to find or write Linux drivers for Airport Extreme for their Powerbooks?
[08:38] <ompaul> pestilence, I'll get you the url if you hang on a min
[08:39] <zenrox> vince_, wate till the nxupdates
[08:39] <zenrox> nx=next
[08:39] <pestilence> ompaul: ok
[08:39] <Slack_Rox> There a way of installing all the dev packages at once?
[08:39] <vince_> yeah, i guess it's broken. vile works though. and vim of course.
[08:40] <back_east> mikep: It's a broadcom, so don't hold your breath.
[08:40] <ompaul> pestilence, I must have been asleep :) bugzilla.ubuntu.com :)
[08:40] <mikep> Yes, something to do with military specs?
[08:40] <ompaul> pestilence, you got that?
[08:41] <pestilence> ompaul: yea, i looked there, wasn't sure if i should submit there.
[08:41] <ompaul> pestilence it is the home of the bugs
[08:42] <pestilence> am i the only one who noticed that an apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade wanted to remove kde?
[08:42] <sucho> hi, i'm new to ubuntu, is there way to upgrade firefox on ubuntu 4.10 to 1.0?
[08:42] <gfxstyler> could someone tell me why the hell this ****!! ubuntu does not start up and hangs on boot randomly? i installed it for 8 times now and i cant get it to boot! im really upset with this **** i installed it 1 time yesterday and it worked without any problems!
[08:42] <pestilence> i'm pretty sure it's because python changed from python to python-minimal
[08:42] <Echylo> how good does photoshop 7 works with wine?
[08:42] <back_east> mikep: That's what they say
[08:42] <Echylo> it's installing
[08:42] <ompaul> pestilence, ehh I did not have kde installed before I upgraded such a box
[08:42] <Riddell> pestilence: kde is only a meta package, it can be removed safely
[08:42] <vixus> Xine has suddenly decided to stop playing my DVDs... >:|
[08:42] <back_east> sucho: Use ubuntu-backports
[08:42] <vixus> It was doing it fine before.
[08:42] <pestilence> Riddell: the only package i cared about was konsole, and it is no longer installable
[08:43] <sucho> back_east: i'll google for them, thx
[08:43] <pestilence> Riddell: what i meant was, it removed every package related to kde
[08:43] <back_east> sucho: glad to help
[08:43] <vixus> Can you please tell me why?
[08:43] <pestilence> Riddell: and i think it's because kdelibs4 depends on python which changed names
[08:43] <gfxstyler> you know what? gfy
[08:43] <Riddell> pestilence: in hoary?
[08:44] <pestilence> Riddell: yes
[08:44] <pestilence> i'm curious if i did something wrong....i have hoary pinned to 50, so i assume that nothing from hoary is causing this problem
[08:44] <pestilence> the only thing from hoary i have installed is krb5-*
[08:45] <vixus> Xine is saying there are no plugins to handle dvd:/ when I blatantly installed them.
[08:45] <vixus> do I need to mount my dvd drive or something to /dev/dvd?
[08:45] <Slaven> no mounting should be needed
[08:45] <pestilence> actually, it's kdelibs-bin that depends on python, my bad
[08:46] <Zotnix> Mmm... GNOME 2.10
[08:46] <pestilence> but kdelibs4 depends on kdelibs-bin
[08:46] <Slaven> but you have linked your cdrom-drive to /dev/dvd, I guess?
[08:46] <pestilence> Riddell: i meant No -- in warty
[08:46] <Slaven> ls -l /dev | grep dvd
[08:46] <vixus> ubuntu is mounting the cd to /media/cdrom0
[08:46] <pestilence> Riddell: trying to type too fast, have something at 2:00 so have to leave soon
[08:46] <vixus> i think
[08:46] <Riddell> pestilence: hmm, packages don't change names in warty
[08:46] <yqyq> dear all, I would like map a windows share(xp) fron ubuntu to xp, I need samba?
[08:46] <Slaven> it has to be linked to /dev/dvd
[08:47] <Slaven> if you haven't done that already, ln -s /media/cdrom0 /dev/dvd
[08:47] <vixus> I followed the linking guide...
[08:47] <yqyq> from ubuntu to xp
[08:47] <Slaven> ok
[08:47] <pestilence> Riddell: ok, so it looks like python is still a package, but when i upgraded, it was removed in favor of python-minimal
[08:47] <joh> Anyone else experience problems with getting mandatory settings in gconf to work?
[08:48] <pestilence> and python-minimal conflicts with python....python-minimal is "required"
[08:48] <vixus> Slaven.
[08:48] <Slaven> yep?
[08:49] <crimsun_> pestilence, in hoary?
[08:49] <crimsun_> pestilence, something's broken, then, because both python and python-minimal are installed here. [2.4-0ubuntu6] 
[08:49] <Echylo> yaayaaaaaaaaaaaa
[08:50] <Echylo> they should make a cheer channel
[08:50] <pestilence> crimsun_: hmmmm....
[08:50] <Echylo> #cheer !
[08:50] <Echylo> I got PS7 running!
[08:50] <Echylo> :P
[08:50] <pestilence> crimsun_: so, i have both hoary and warty repositories, but hoary is pinned to 50 so it should be from warty
[08:51] <pestilence> why doesn't apt-cache show tell you which of {hoary|warty} the information comes from
[08:52] <pestilence> yea.  something must be broken.  i'll have to fix it later.
[08:52] <Echylo> omg
[08:52] <Echylo> Cannot join #photoshop (Channel is invite only).
[08:52] <ompaul> Echylo, guess it has to be gimp then :) how exclusive is that
[08:52] <__> lol
[08:53] <Echylo> well
[08:53] <Echylo> I got ps7 running
[08:53] <__> why is there a photoshop channel on freenode anyways?
[08:53] <Echylo> but only problem is I can't use fonts
[08:53] <__> isn't freenode for OSS stuff?
[08:53] <__> or did i misread the MOTD
[08:54] <Echylo> Freenode is a service of Peer-Directed Projects Center, an
[08:54] <Echylo> --- - IRS 501(c)(3) not-for-profit organization
[08:54] <crimsun_> pestilence, if you use pinning, it's very important that you specify a target repo
[08:54] <__> eh, that's not the whole thing
[08:54] <crimsun_> pestilence, -twarty
[08:54] <crimsun_> pestilence, etc.
[08:54] <Rocco> what can i do when he is "unable to dinf i2c bus information"???
[08:54] <PotajiTo> wenas
[08:54] <__> ah it was the policy page i read it on
[08:54] <__> not the motd
[08:56] <Hell-Razor> hey guys i justinstalled ubuntu, i was just wondering now how do i install stuff? make sure my system is up-to date?
[08:56] <Guinea> Hey, I've got another question :)
[08:56] <Rocco> hell-razor: apt-get update
[08:56] <yoko-omo> Hell-Razor: apt-get upgrade
[08:56] <yoko-omo> :)
[08:57] <ompaul> __ what you are referring to is: The network exists to provide interactive services to peer-directed project communities. Am I right to think that?
[08:57] <Hell-Razor> how do i become root
[08:57] <Rocco> yoko-omo: update or apgrade?
[08:57] <Hell-Razor> if i never set a root pw
[08:57] <Rocco> hell-razor: su
[08:57] <Guinea> I get the message "Package pygtk-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path. Perhaps you should add the directory containing `pygtk-2.0.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable" - How do I do that in Ubuntu?
[08:57] <Hell-Razor> i never set a root pw though
[08:57] <ompaul> Hell-Razor, you type sudo su - and give your own password
[08:57] <drspin> Hell-Razor: sudo -s will give you a rtoot shell
[08:57] <socomm> Hell-Razor: You can set the root pasword "su passwd"
[08:57] <kent> wow.. gnome 2.10 about to be installed in Hoary.  Great :)
[08:57] <__> ompaul: probably
[08:57] <__> i dunno
[08:58] <socomm> Hell-Razor: The default user is ~root.
[08:58] <Rocco> what can i do when he is "unable to dinf i2c bus information"???
[08:58] <socomm> Sorta.
[08:58] <Echylo> wie noemt er stijn olemans
[08:58] <EkSoN> when send CD's Hoary?
[08:58] <socomm> Whoops not "su passwd" but "sudo passwd"
[08:58] <EkSoN> next month?
[09:00] <__> 2020
[09:01] <soulhack> it works! now, umm, i have a 130gb NFTS fileformat partition which isnt showing in Ubuntu
[09:01] <[Zenith] > Is there a newer version then  0.26.2 availebal of gDesklets for Warty?
[09:01] <soulhack> is there a way to change filesystem without formatting the drive
[09:01] <StoffBox-Steve> hmm someone know if ubuntu supports Finger Print Reader's ?
[09:01] <hawke_> soulhack: no
[09:01] <soulhack> and i cannot use NTFS in ubuntu
[09:01] <soulhack> ?
[09:01] <goldfish> soulhack: you should be able to read from it
[09:01] <goldfish> you can read
[09:01] <goldfish> not write
[09:02] <Rocco> soulhack: you can mount ntfs, but it is not recomanded. furthermore you can only read
[09:02] <Hell-Razor> is there a way to install stuff off of the internet instead of the cd? because i think some files on ym cd are curropted
[09:02] <garethR> hi
[09:02] <___> Hell-Razor: are you past the initial install?
[09:02] <Rocco> hell-razor: apt-get install program
[09:02] <soulhack> okay, well, because i have stuff on that drive i need to save before I remount it into another file system.
[09:02] <___> if so, apt-get will download things
[09:02] <garethR> anyone got any ideas why after install SSH refuses remote login's
[09:02] <___> your /etc/hosts file maybe?
[09:02] <Blissex> garethR: yes.
[09:03] <EkSoN> one question.., how repair this error.. bootsplash
[09:03] <goldfish> garethR: port forwarded on router?
[09:03] <EkSoN> bootsplash
[09:03] <ssam> hell-razor, try synaptic package manager
[09:03] <EkSoN> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[09:03] <goldfish> if you are on one
[09:03] <___> i haven't setup sshd on ubuntu cause i just have it on my lappy
[09:03] <garethR> no I have two other debian boxss which work fine and I have compared their host.* files
[09:03] <Hell-Razor> ssam: i ahve 3 broken packages on ym system...but i dont see the broken package manager
[09:03] <___> errr... hosts.allow
[09:03] <___> should have said that...
[09:04] <garethR> same as my debain box which works
[09:04] <soulhack> so, umm, how do I mount the NTFSdisc into Ubuntu? I have just installed ubuntu, linux overall
[09:04] <goldfish> soulhack: ubuntuguide.org
[09:04] <goldfish> :)
[09:04] <hawke_> soulhack: you should be able to mount it read-only
[09:04] <ssam> hell-razor, synaptic should be able to fix it
[09:04] <hawke_> soulhack: which would be enough to backup the data
[09:05] <Hell-Razor> ssam: i dont know what broken packages are, or what they looik liike, or how to fix it
[09:05] <ssam> it has a fix broken packages item, in the edit menu
[09:05] <soulhack> is that a somehwat easy thing to do?
[09:05] <Hell-Razor> aaah
[09:05] <Hell-Razor> ssam: thanks i didnt see that
[09:05] <goldfish> soulhack: yep
[09:06] <hawke_> soulhack: yeah... mount -t ntfs /dev/hdxx /mnt
[09:06] <neighborlee> Warning: ARB_vertex_program not supported by OpenGL drivers, unable to run application. < Im getting that trying to run my game development example files ( openscenegraph) and wondering if anyone knows what might be causing this ????
[09:06] <ssam> hell-razor, hope it helps
[09:06] <goldfish> soulhack: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#mountunmountntfs
[09:06] <soulhack> thanks all
[09:07] <soulhack> one minor thing and i am done for now, where do i type that code you gave me hawke?
[09:07] <goldfish> soulhack: in a terminal
[09:07] <goldfish> soulhack: you know how to get one of those?
[09:07] <soulhack> no clue, but i went to run application and clicked Run in Terminal, will that work?
[09:08] <goldfish> nope
[09:08] <soulhack> where do I get a terminal_
[09:08] <goldfish> click Applications
[09:08] <goldfish> then system tools
[09:08] <goldfish> or something
[09:08] <soulhack> aye, thanks
[09:08] <goldfish> you should see terminal
[09:08] <goldfish> cool
[09:08] <ricky_clarkson> I can't boot the CD.
[09:09] <Slack_Rox> Okiez me ask again :P Is there a way of installing all the dev packages without doing it one by one?
[09:09] <__> neighborlee: either a shitty gfx card, or the wrong drivers
[09:09] <ricky_clarkson> What
[09:09] <ricky_clarkson> What do I do?
[09:09] <neighborlee> __, dont I wish thats all it was
[09:10] <__> neighborlee: that is all it is
[09:10] <neighborlee> __, I have geforce4TI4200 and latest nvidia driver 6111
[09:10] <Rocco> what can i do if ubuntu is "unable to find i2c bus information"?
[09:10] <garethR> ok I have two problems. Default install of warty install the SSH package and I cant login remotly (what changes should I make to enable this) and two remote x login via GDM work once the XDMP stuff is uncommented by one I login it goes SOOO SLOW
[09:10] <neighborlee> __, oops sorry make that 6629 ( which really is latest)
[09:10] <ricky_clarkson> I looked at www.ubuntulinux.org and it doesn't say how to boot the Knoppix.
[09:10] <__> well, ARB_vertex_program may not be supportd in that, but I would think it is...
[09:10] <Echylo> hey if I try to ship cd's know will it be hoary???
[09:10] <__> GLSL is pretty new though
[09:10] <__> so maybe not
[09:11] <Slaven> anyone got that xmms plugin for mplayer video output working good?
[09:11] <__> [that extension loads a GLSL shader FYI] 
[09:11] <Rocco> what can i do if ubuntu is "unable to find i2c bus information"?
[09:11] <neighborlee> __, oddly enough those same examples work flawlessly in windowsXP...guess I need to check what version nvidia windows is using then ;(
[09:11] <Guinea> How do I change the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable?
[09:11] <__> neighborlee: no
[09:11] <__> if it works in doze
[09:11] <Slaven> for me it's all slow and delaying
[09:11] <__> then there is a config problem
[09:11] <thenuke> hmm, what's good, easy and lightweight mp3-player?
[09:11] <neighborlee> __, like I say I gotta verify which version windows is using...
[09:11] <__> and you are sure you have the latest nvidia drivers?
[09:12] <__> how did you install them?
[09:12] <neighborlee> __, positive...version 6629 ( glxinfo)
[09:12] <neighborlee> __, manual
[09:12] <__> lsmod and make sure nvidia shows up
[09:12] <neighborlee> __, I had to because apt doesn't have latest..
[09:12] <neighborlee> __, repository whatever ;0)
[09:12] <Crazy_Diamond> hello
[09:12] <t325> thenuke xmms
[09:12] <streetbmx> are the repositories down?
[09:12] <chuen> hello, i am trrying to get 3com wifi pcmia working on wharty
[09:13] <Crazy_Diamond> i have problem with ubuntu
[09:13] <__> neighborlee: yea on my desktop [debian]  i always install the nvidia drivers myself
[09:13] <neighborlee> __, i was having this problem with out of box nvidia ( apt-get install nvidia-glx) so I thought i'd try the newest version
[09:13] <thenuke> t325: ookey. thanks.
[09:13] <thenuke> t325: And I need those gstreamer codecs then?
[09:13] <__> wait, all you intalled was nvidia-glx?
[09:13] <Crazy_Diamond> can any body help me here
[09:13] <neighborlee> __, yeah you get latest that way although nvidia-glx was okay till I discovered my examples weren't working ;(
[09:13] <goldfish> Crazy_Diamond: What is up?
[09:13] <__> neighborlee: these examples, are they for a class?
[09:13] <soulhack> i made it!
[09:14] <neighborlee> __, well initially yes right after ubuntu install..all was working fine including say ut2004/nwn/blah
[09:14] <__> neighborlee: did you 'lsmod' ?
[09:14] <t325> thenuke, go in synaptic and install xmms should install all needed codecs
[09:14] <chuen> but i am a little confused with the new kernel 2.6
[09:14] <__> and see if nvidia is in the list?
[09:14] <neighborlee> __, no...they are my game development libraries/examples: ie: openscenegraph.org & delta3d.org
[09:14] <Crazy_Diamond> i have problem with graphic properties
[09:14] <soulhack> is there a dvdburningrom included in ubuntu? if not, can you recommend me one?
[09:14] <chuen> i don't find how to see the modules
[09:14] <thenuke> t325: installed it with apt-get, it fetched only 1 package
[09:15] <__> neighborlee: what irc client are you in?
[09:15] <t325> try it, if doesn't work then get the gstreamer things
[09:15] <goldfish> __: xchat
[09:15] <tizzen> Anyone here have an audigy 2 and they've been able to get it to work with Ubuntu? I don't have the /dev/dsp device... But lsmod shows that emu10k1 is loaded a couple times
[09:15] <neighborlee> __, the driver is fine because my games work just fine
[09:15] <neighborlee> __, xchat
[09:15] <__> neighborlee: /exec -o lsmod | grep nvidia
[09:15] <neighborlee> nvidia               3470716  12
[09:16] <chuen> this is the first time i try to use a wireless on my box
[09:16] <__> neighborlee: if your not willing to check things, then i can't help you... ok, thank you
[09:16] <neighborlee> heh np
[09:16] <Crazy_Diamond> can i ask for help in private?
[09:16] <chuen> so i would apreciate a little help
[09:16] <__> neighborlee: it really sounds to me like you have a bad install of the drivers somehow
[09:16] <t325> Crazy_Diamond, what is ur graph. prob
[09:17] <jesuel> ...
[09:17] <hawke_> Crazy_Diamond: Shine on.
[09:17] <jesuel> rep's down?
[09:17] <t325> Crazy_Diamond, tell, tell..
[09:17] <Crazy_Diamond> :)
[09:17] <Crazy_Diamond> ok
[09:17] <__> neighborlee: did you remove the Load "dri" and Load "glx" from your XF86Config file?
[09:17] <Crazy_Diamond> guys i have problem my grapshics a realy bad
[09:18] <Crazy_Diamond> resolution is
[09:18] <Crazy_Diamond> poor
[09:18] <Lemonzest> anyone know where i can find a guide for skype on ubuuntu?
[09:18] <Crazy_Diamond> my spelling is bad:(
[09:18] <neighborlee> __, I think so ill check
[09:19] <t325> sudo gedit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 (try with and without 4, I'm currently on mdk, don't remember in ubuntu) then change the resolution
[09:19] <Crazy_Diamond> i installed ubuntu on my virtual pc
[09:19] <Crazy_Diamond> what
[09:19] <neighborlee> __, oh dear ;-)..it would seem..I neglected to make that 'edit'
[09:19] <__> neighborlee: sorry, i mean remove the "dri" line, and add the "glx" line
[09:19] <__> typo
[09:20] <Crazy_Diamond> t325 are you taliking to me?
[09:20] <neighborlee> __, so even though all games are working..not having done this its interfering with some apps then ....
[09:20] <__> there was something else too
[09:20] <__> check the readme file
[09:20] <neighborlee> __, yeah my opengl and dri line are still there but  my games work fine
[09:20] <neighborlee> __, hmmmmm
[09:20] <t325> Crazy_Diamond, yes, the command I gave u ( sudo gedit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ) is for editing the graphic server config file
[09:21] <__> neighborlee: also, remove the Load "GLcore" line
[09:21] <revildab> Lemonzest: ubuntuguide.org has an installation guide for skype
[09:21] <__> neighborlee: also, remove the Load "GLcore" line
[09:21] <__> wwops
[09:21] <__> double post
[09:21] <Hell-Razor> um guys when it trys to install stuff from the cd i get a buffer i/o error from /cdrom/ section (XXXXX)
[09:21] <Crazy_Diamond> i'm new to linux dont know wat are you tlaking about
[09:22] <Crazy_Diamond> :(
[09:22] <__> neighborlee: most commercial games don't use uber-recent "extensions", or allow for them not to be used if not available
[09:22] <Dotrig> hi
[09:22] <t325> Crazy_Diamond, try this command in a terminal, you'll get a text editor with you resolution, etc. options editable
[09:22] <__> extensions like.... ARB_vertex_program for instance ;)
[09:22] <chuen> Dotrig: hello
[09:23] <neighborlee> __, np..ill try that..you know what though..I NEVER thought about it since instalilng nvidia-glx and issuing: sudo nvidia-glx-config enable < would have taken care of it all ;-))
[09:23] <Dotrig> where can ifound ubuntu Cd & labels scan?
[09:23] <Hell-Razor> um guys when it trys to install stuff from the cd i get a buffer i/o error from /cdrom/ section (XXXXX)
[09:23] <Echylo> gtg
[09:23] <__> neighborlee: heh
[09:23] <Echylo> hf & cya later :)
[09:24] <Dotrig> Where can I?
[09:24] <Dotrig> Any knows
[09:24] <blizah> how would i make a quick button for steam but ran through cedega?..ive been looking forever
[09:25] <t31> i got this site in ff http://www.whatuseek.com/ everytime i start it
[09:25] <t31> and cant change it :(
[09:25] <hawke_> blizah: how do you run steam now?
[09:26] <t31> in firefox seems to be the original one but later loads this
[09:26] <blizah> well i have to go to terminal and use cedega
[09:26] <Dotrig> Where can i get cd labels to ubuntu ??..
[09:26] <t31> any spyware?
[09:26] <mirak> debconf always try to configure two times xserver-xorg during a dist-upgrade, on hoary PPC
[09:27] <Hell-Razor> Read error - read (5 Input/output error) <[09:27] <chuen> Dotrig: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuArtwork/view?searchterm=art
[09:27] <hawke_> blizah: it should be something like 'winex steam.exe'
[09:28] <siretart> hy
[09:28] <hawke_> blizah: but, just make a link to whatever command you use to run steam now...
[09:28] <hawke_> blizah: or by "cedega" do you mean "point2play"?
[09:28] <siretart> im looking for an up-to-date hoary minimal netinst cd image, I want to reinstall hoary via net. can you give me a pointer?
[09:29] <blizah> right now i get to the steam dir. and type cedega steam.exe
[09:29] <siretart> I don't want to download 700mb full cdimage, just a small iso image
[09:29] <hawke_> blizah: then that's what you need the link to point to
[09:29] <Hell-Razor> blizah: cd /path/to/steam/dir && cedega Steam.exe
[09:30] <Slack_Rox> lol at this mess
[09:30] <blizah> put that in the command of a launcher icon?
[09:30] <Fator_Dee> or cedega /path/to/Steam.exe
[09:30] <Hell-Razor> just run that from a terminal
[09:30] <blizah> yea i know to run steam...just want to make a button taht will run it
[09:30] <Hell-Razor> well
[09:30] <blizah> (so i dont have to type stuff every time i want to laucnh it
[09:30] <Hell-Razor> do the same witht he button as you would type it in a terminal
[09:30] <hawke_> blizah: panel, add to panel, custom application launcher
[09:31] <goldfish> blizah: u buy cedega?
[09:31] <Fator_Dee> make a button that has a command cedega Steam.exe
[09:31] <blizah> how do you specify a enter?
[09:31] <blizah> yea
[09:31] <hawke_> blizah: You don't have to specify an enter
[09:31] <jesuel> siretart, ive not seen one of those yet for hoary. Or warty for that matter.
[09:31] <Hell-Razor> blizah: what do you mean specify an enter? you dont have to
[09:31] <blizah> ive triend cedega Steam.exe
[09:32] <blizah> nothing happesn
[09:32] <Hell-Razor> blizah: ug what path is steam in
[09:32] <hawke_> blizah: you need cedega /path/to/steam.exe
[09:32] <Dotrig> worked npt http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuArtwork/view?searchterm=art :( no labels with jpg
[09:32] <blizah> ah k
[09:32] <siretart> jesuel: that would be sad, I think I've seen somewhere one..
[09:32] <edgarin> Hello what is the sources.list samba 3.0-11
[09:32] <Fator_Dee> blizah: and remember that steam.exe is not the same as Steam.exe
[09:33] <Hell-Razor> can somebody help me...whenever i do apt-get -f install i get errors processing /cdrom/* ect and it returns error exit status two....does this mean i should get a new cd?
[09:33] <jesuel> siretart, I think it would be a wonderful thing to have. Ive just not seen one.
[09:33] <tizzen> anyone here using an Audigy 2 for sound? Please message me if you can help me get it working
[09:33] <blizah> heh k tnx
[09:33] <blizah> thought i had tried taht
[09:33] <blizah> maybe i did put steam instead of Steam
[09:34] <Dotrig> booting Cyaa..
[09:34] <blizah> can you turn off case sensitivity for files/folders?
[09:34] <Fator_Dee> nope?
[09:35] <Fator_Dee> at least I don't know of a way
[09:35] <goldfish> dont think so
[09:35] <hawke_> Fator_Dee: I like that it stores the case...but not that it requires it.
[09:35] <Fator_Dee> but you will get used to it
[09:35] <blizah> hehe
[09:35] <Fator_Dee> and it makes sense, that TextFile is not the same as textfile
[09:36] <TheBarron> Cases are SoooOOooo sensitive..
[09:36] <blizah> hehe
[09:37] <goldfish> Well, I will live with case sensitivity, instead of using windows :)
[09:37] <hawke_> Fator_Dee: It makes sense, but I don't see any benefit of having textfile not the same as TextFile ... if you have two files, which one's the one you want?  There's no clear identifier.
[09:38] <neighborlee> __, okay I changed XF86Config-4 and took out dri and opengl lines..but still i have ARB problems ;(...wth am I missing...
[09:39] <StoffBox-Steve> hmm just a question, i have a Dual-head system, can i tell gnome/ the wohle system to place popup windwos / dialogs on one screen not in center of both ?
[09:40] <arsre> hi all is there any body who can help me with graphics in private
[09:40] <arsre> ?
[09:40] <Hell-Razor> can somebody help me...whenever i do apt-get -f install i get errors processing /cdrom/* ect and it returns error exit status two....does this mean i should get a new cd?
[09:41] <hawke_> Hell-Razor: You're repeating yourself...
[09:41] <StoffBox-Steve> what graphics you mean arsre ?
[09:41] <sabdfl> hello ubuntites!
[09:41] <sabdfl> where do i change the default app for PDF's? i'd like to try evince instead of xpdf
[09:41] <hawke_> Hell-Razor: is the CD in the drive?
[09:42] <ssam> put a # before the cd line in /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:42] <Fator_Dee> sabdfl: right click on .pdf -> properties -> open with -> +add
[09:43] <sabdfl> Fator_Dee: thank muchly!
[09:43] <sabdfl> s
[09:43] <Fator_Dee> no prob
[09:43] <Echylo> question! I made a terminal look transparant(eterm) on my desktop, but how do you make a program launch auto if you login?
[09:43] <goldfish> Echylo: gnome terminal supports transparency
[09:44] <Echylo> that is not the question :P
[09:44] <goldfish> Echylo: Computer Tab > Session
[09:44] <goldfish> i think
[09:44] <Echylo> ah!
[09:44] <Rocco> what i have to do if ubuntu is "unable to find i2c bus information"?
[09:44] <goldfish> it has a start up panel
[09:44] <goldfish> i think
[09:44] <hawke_> Echylo: system -> preferences -> sessions
[09:44] <goldfish> hehe
[09:44] <Echylo> yep
[09:44] <Echylo> thanks mate
[09:44] <goldfish> I was close :)
[09:44] <hawke_> goldfish: Think that changed warty vs. hoary
[09:45] <goldfish> ah right
[09:45] <StoffBox-Steve> ok than so, can i tell gnome, new windows sould be open on the right side of the screen instead of center ?
[09:45] <goldfish> sorry :) im still on warty
[09:45] <Hell-Razor> hawke_: yes its in el driv-o
[09:45] <hawke_> Hell-Razor: do apt-cdrom ident and compare to your sources.list
[09:46] <universal> does someone know about Adour
[09:46] <universal> ?
[09:46] <Hell-Razor> hawke_: i figured it out i had to do something with the repo
[09:47] <ssam> hell-razor /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:47] <judith_> is ubuntu "pure" debian?
[09:47] <ssam> see if there is a line in there that refers to the cd
[09:48] <ssam> and stick a # in front of it
[09:48] <hawke_> judith_: No
[09:48] <mdz> judith_: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/relationship/ explains pretty well
[09:48] <judith_> thanx!
[09:50] <qbeek> hi, how to burn a music CD without K3B under Ubuntu Warty?
[09:51] <kent> qbeek, you could try to download graveman from internet (i dont think its in Warty). I think gravemans homepage has a .deb file you can download and install (if you know how to do that?)
[09:52] <ntoll> PHP5, I heard it was in Hoary, where is it (can't seem to see it in universe)
[09:52] <ntoll> ?
[09:53] <qbeek> kent, yes I will look at graveman.
[09:54] <Seveas> ntoll, libapache2-mod-php5?
[09:54] <Seveas> or: apt-cache search php5
[09:55] <qbeek> kent, graveman is in hoary universe :)
[09:55] <DnaDog> what is it to setup the mouse?  i dont have a /dev/mouse at the moment
[09:55] <Hell-Razor> ug can somebody help me out
[09:55] <Hell-Razor> ive been trying to get my soudn working with no luck so far
[09:55] <DnaDog> it was working until i buggered something up how do i re-create /dev/mouse
[09:56] <ntoll> Seveas, I did a search with Synaptic for PHP5 but returned nothing
[09:57] <koos_the_rea> Can you help me i downloaded the wartey-install-i386 rar arcive file unziped it and burned it to cd but the cd woulnt boot it isnt my bios i have booted from cd's before
[09:58] <zenrox> koos_the_rea,  you need the warty-install-i386.iso
[09:58] <zenrox> and burn the iso to disk
[09:58] <Tux-Rox> Has anyone been able to get the mplayer controls to work on mplayerplug-in? I'm using Hoary....
[09:59] <DnaDog> ok found it
[09:59] <dud-> hello sirs
[09:59] <Tux-Rox> hey dud
[09:59] <koos_the_rea> ok
[09:59] <apokryphos> koos_the_rea: since you're downloading, you might want to go for hoary instead; see /topic
[10:00] <Seveas> ntoll, did you apt-get update already?
[10:00] <koos_the_rea> thanx
[10:02] <dud-> my friend installed ubuntu on his nforce1 machine, and it didn't see the NIC so he turned it off in the bios, and put a realtek card in it. how would get that to work
[10:03] <jnk> it's not autodetected?
[10:03] <dud-> he said it wasnt
[10:03] <dud-> how can he check?
[10:03] <jnk> type ifconfig
[10:03] <jnk> see if eth0 or something is there
[10:03] <dud-> ok
[10:04] <dotrig> :) kay ga* :P.
[10:04] <kay> what dotrig ?
[10:04] <dotrig> swedish funn Joke :)
[10:04] <entheon> hias
[10:04] <entheon> i just installed my ubuntu
[10:05] <entheon> where do i go from here? where is the repository?
[10:05] <dud-> me too
[10:05] <dud-> heh
[10:05] <dud-> and my friend
[10:05] <BockBilbo> hello
[10:05] <dud-> I ran debian for like 8 years
[10:05] <entheon> or did apt set itself up already when i said "yes" to "install software from the internet"
[10:05] <dotrig> where can i get cd images in jpg also cover on cd..
[10:05] <entheon> dud-, wow, i feel sorry for you ;)
[10:05] <dud-> haha
[10:05] <dud-> I love debian
[10:05] <jnk> entheon, certainly, just try
[10:05] <dud-> but I wanted a decent desktop distro
[10:05] <entheon> dud-, fedora is good for desktop too
[10:06] <dud-> eh
[10:06] <entheon> dud-, i just came from FC3
[10:06] <entheon> it's nice
[10:06] <dud-> I hate RPM based distros
[10:06] <entheon> i'm trying out all the types of linuxes i can find though
[10:06] <dud-> I've dabbled in them in the past
[10:06] <Fator_Dee> entheon: fire up synaptic and start installing stuff
[10:06] <entheon> dud-, that's a dumb hatred, don't hate anything
[10:06] <entheon> oooh, ok it's got synaptic
[10:06] <dud-> rpm is a cruel cruel joke
[10:06] <dotrig> how i apt ?
[10:06] <entheon> dud-, back taht up with some real proof and then maybe i'll care... rpm worked fine for me all the times i used it
[10:07] <yokomo> dotrig: sudo apt-get update?
[10:07] <yokomo> or sudo apt-get upgrade?
[10:07] <yokomo> or sudo apt-get install xxxxx
[10:07] <dud-> just use an apt based distro entheon, you'll see
[10:07] <entheon> WTF
[10:07] <entheon> what is my root password
[10:07] <entheon> that's not even funny
[10:07] <dud-> no root
[10:07] <jnk> entheon, use your own
[10:07] <dud-> there is no root acount
[10:07] <Slack_Rox> lol
[10:07] <dud-> it's sorta like macos
[10:07] <entheon> it didn't ask me for a root password
[10:07] <dotrig> beed time
[10:07] <entheon> what!!!
[10:07] <entheon> so what do i use instead of root?
[10:07] <dud-> you use sudo for everything
[10:07] <entheon> hrm
[10:07] <entheon> ok
[10:08] <entheon> so i take it i'm already in the sudoers file
[10:08] <Slack_Rox> cool huh
[10:08] <dud-> that way kitties can't Hax0r your root account
[10:08] <entheon> ehh, i guess, i'll have to get used to it
[10:08] <dud-> yes
[10:08] <jnk> entheon, of course you can activate a root acount with "sudo passwd" then choose a password for root...
[10:08] <entheon> yeah, they just hack my user accounts
[10:08] <bryan_> anyone here ever used 'captive'?
[10:08] <Slack_Rox> I'm going back to slack this shit sucks and slack freaking works...
[10:08] <entheon> jnk, ahh good idea
[10:08] <spades> entheon: sudo passwd root and set one, then su up and enjot
[10:08] <spades> enjoy
[10:09] <Hell-Razor> guys using apt-get how would i search for a file
[10:09] <dud-> I had my root account generate a random password every 20 minutes on my last box
[10:09] <lool> is there a file similar to /etc/debian_version which gives the Ubuntu version (except sources.list)?
[10:09] <dud-> apt-cache search stuff
[10:09] <jnk> entheon, in synaptic or by editing /etc/apt/sources.list you can select what repositories you want to be able to download from
[10:09] <Hell-Razor> dud-: E: Invalid operation search
[10:09] <dud-> did you type it correctly?
[10:09] <jnk> Hell-Razor, apt-cache not apt-get
[10:09] <dud-> apt-cache search
[10:10] <Hell-Razor> k
[10:10] <siretart> Jergosh_S:     ~[6~[6~[6~   /sb end
[10:10] <siretart>    
[10:10] <siretart> [6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~/sbe end
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[10:10] <entheon> so what
[10:10] <entheon> is ubuntu based on debian?
[10:10] <yokomo> siretart: sperm hitting a condom?
[10:10] <dud-> jnk: ok my friend got his system up and there is a eth0, but it has no IP
[10:10] <jnk> entheon, totally
[10:10] <entheon> jnk, interesting
[10:10] <entheon> oh well, so much for an original distro
[10:10] <entheon> freakin a
[10:10] <siretart> yokomo: nope, connection problems
[10:10] <jnk> dud, ok so... do you have a router or somethhing providing DHCP?
[10:11] <dud-> I think he does
[10:11] <siretart> sorry about the noise..
[10:11] <entheon> lets see, there's debian, redhat, slackware, and bsd... nothing original has happened in all these years? damn!
[10:11] <jnk> dud, try "dhclient eth0"
[10:11] <entheon> oh yeah "gentoo" phfhpt
[10:11] <eyequeue> bsd != linux
[10:11] <entheon> eyequeue, duh
[10:11] <Karlosis> I had my CPU scale frequency with Debian's cpufreqd, how is this done in Ubuntu?
[10:11] <entheon> eyequeue, i didn't say it = linux :)
[10:11] <Hell-Razor> eyequeue: heh
[10:11] <dud-> yeah, and there is some good stuff going on with ubuntu
[10:11] <yokomo> entheon: so go program something enw
[10:11] <jnk> dud, (well of course it is "sudo dhclient eth0")
[10:11] <dud-> project utopia
[10:11] <yokomo> new*
[10:11] <Hell-Razor> bsd || linux
[10:11] <eyequeue> entheon:  what exactly are you  looking for in #ubuntu btw?
[10:12] <siretart> btw, I found the netinst images I was looking for: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/
[10:12] <dud-> 5.04 of ubuntu will be awesome
[10:12] <entheon> yokomo, nah, i was just lamenting, i thought maybe there were some actually new distros i hadn't tried
[10:12] <dud-> x.org
[10:12] <dud-> will it have beagle?
[10:12] <entheon> eyequeue, i'm just looking for startup pointers, i just installed #ubuntu
[10:12] <entheon> eyequeue, i'm on it right now... just testing out various distros to see how they compare
[10:12] <zenrox> entheon, read www.ubuntuguide.org
[10:12] <entheon> eyequeue, so far nothing has beat FC3 imho, not that FC3 is the greatest...
[10:12] <bryan_> i find ubuntu a little bit laggy
[10:13] <entheon> zenrox, ok thanx
[10:13] <eyequeue> entheon:  if you're looking for something that isn't based upon a history of development, there are many "new" distros, you may enjoy the list at distrowatch
[10:13] <jnk> dud, I think 5.10 wil be the really good one... when they get gstreamer working really well, maybe beagle...
[10:13] <entheon> damn you guys have all these freakin dual nicks
[10:13] <dud-> jnk, it says something about unknown hardware
[10:13] <entheon> zenrox, zenwhen
[10:13] <entheon> dud and dud-
[10:13] <entheon> wtf?
[10:13] <dud-> wow
[10:13] <dud-> another dud?
[10:13] <zenrox> lol
[10:13] <dud-> 1 sec
[10:13] <randin> ok
[10:13] <randin> there
[10:13] <eyequeue> entheon:  that is, if you're not just looking for an excuse to bitch
[10:13] <zenrox> zenwhen,  is a differnt person
[10:13] <Karlosis> I had my CPU scale frequency with Debian's cpufreqd, how is this done in Ubuntu?
[10:13] <randin> less confusing
[10:13] <goldfish> u can get gkrellm Karlosis
[10:13] <randin> I've always been dud-
[10:14] <goldfish> i think that does it
[10:14] <entheon> eyequeue, i'm always looking for an excuse to bitch :)
[10:14] <t325> Crazy_Diamond, bolje da instaliras za pravo, nisam ja nikad koristio pc emulator; valjda ne radi perfektno
[10:14] <entheon> actually i've gotten so good in my years of practice
[10:14] <eyequeue> entheon:  kindly take it elsewhere, ubuntu is not about that
[10:14] <entheon> i no longer need an excuse :)
[10:14] <entheon> eyequeue, whatever
[10:14] <randin> ok, jnk his machine says something about unknown hardware, and it couldn't get any dhoffers, but the rest of the machines in his house workfine
[10:14] <jnk> dud, dhclient says unknown hardware? I've never seen that... you may search for the error message on google... or if you know what ip address the computer is supposed to have, you can assign it to it with "sudo ifconfig eth0 up 192.168.1.2" (for example)
[10:14] <Crazy_Diamond> dali iko prica ex-yu da mi pomogne
[10:15] <bryan_> is there any way to make a ntfs drive read/write for everyone??
[10:15] <randin> ok
[10:15] <Karlosis> goldfish, this looks like a monitor of CPU, i want something that changes the clockspeed
[10:15] <zenrox> jnk,  or go tharu the gnome config
[10:15] <goldfish> Karlosis: ooooooooooooh
[10:15] <goldfish> apologies
[10:15] <goldfish> :/
[10:15] <jnk> zenrox, ah I've no idea what one can do there :)
[10:16] <randin> ok, now if ubuntu had framebuffer on by default, because I'm too lazy to edit the grub file
[10:16] <zenrox> cange ip put dns etc....
[10:16] <bryan_> on ubuntuguide.org it says you can make ntfs read only
[10:16] <Karlosis> I think I found it, powernowd
[10:16] <bryan_> but not read/write
[10:16] <zenrox> bryan_,  that right
[10:16] <zenrox> ntfs you cant write to it
[10:16] <eyequeue> bryan_:  rw has traditionally been unsafe
[10:17] <jnk> except with a driver that use wine and MS's driver
[10:17] <bryan_> so, is there any other workaround other then formatting it?
[10:17] <bryan_> jnk: http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/ ?
[10:17] <jnk> yeah
[10:17] <eyequeue> bryan_:  ask the developers of the format to open their specs, and that can be changed, heh
[10:17] <bryan_> it's a 160gb drive, and i've got like 120gb of music on it
[10:17] <bryan_> so formatting it is almost out of the question
[10:18] <jnk> bye
[10:18] <eyequeue> bryan_:  there are other fs's that are compatible with ms os's and linux, if you prefer
[10:18] <Crazy_Diamond> dali iko prica ex-yu da mi pomogne
[10:19] <bryan_> well, i switched from windows
[10:19] <bryan_> i just want to be able to write to it in linux
[10:19] <goldfish> has to be fat32 i think
[10:19] <goldfish> to write
[10:19] <t325> if NTFS partition then hard
[10:19] <eyequeue> bryan_:  you're effectively saying "i just want to destroy everything on it" with linux
[10:20] <bryan_> ok
[10:20] <bryan_> poop
[10:20] <eyequeue> bryan_:  writing is possible, but not advisible
[10:20] <bryan_> alright
[10:20] <randin> ok, my friend's system always hangs on "configuring network interfaces"
[10:20] <drspin> anyone been able to get Nvu working?
[10:20] <Xira-> Hi, will ubuntu support my Radeon 9800 Pro 256mb in at least 2d by default?
[10:20] <eyequeue> bryan_:  is the music the primary issue for you?
[10:21] <bryan_> well, that and there's another unused 40gb on it that i'll need eventually
[10:21] <eyequeue> bryan_:  if so, there may be an option, though not painless
[10:21] <t325> I think resizing is the best option
[10:22] <eyequeue> bryan_:  borrow a cd burner from a friend, or take your hd to that friend's ms-based machine, and burn the music to cds.  then you're free to put a more compatible fs on there and use the full drive
[10:22] <jesuel> I must be missing something here. Amd64 system, new hoary install, trying to install the fglrx drivers. The system shows that fglrx loads in dmesg, But when I specify for x.org to use the fglrx driver. The system hardlocks up and i have to power it off and reboot it.
[10:23] <goldfish> lol
[10:23] <bryan_> well, i have a dual layer dvd burner
[10:23] <eyequeue> bryan_:  you can of course write the music back to the drive afterward, if you want the convenience factor of it being all there at once
[10:23] <goldfish> still alot of stuff to burn
[10:23] <bryan_> yeah
[10:23] <goldfish> bryan_: no-one got a big hd u cud use for a while
[10:23] <bryan_> and dual layer discs are like $10/each
[10:23] <Karlosis> jesuel, do they already do amd64 at ATI?
[10:23] <eyequeue> bryan_:  as i said, not painless, but it does solve the issue
[10:23] <Xira-> Hi, will ubuntu support my Radeon 9800 Pro 256mb by default.....?
[10:23] <bryan_> guess I'll just buy a new drive then
[10:24] <EX-YU> daliiiii iko ima da mi pomogneeeeeeeeeeeeee
[10:24] <bryan_> 200gb 16/mb caches are getting cheap
[10:24] <eyequeue> bryan_:  personally, i'd go with cheap media, since it's a short term burning really
[10:24] <jesuel> Karlosis, doesnt say they do, but there is suppsosed to be support in amd64 hoary for ati's fglrx driver
[10:24] <Amaranth> Xira-: Yeah, and with a quick call to apt-get it should support it for 3D too using ATI's binary driver.
[10:24] <drspin> bryan_: you can donate your old one to me ;)
[10:24] <Xira-> Amaranth: thx :D
[10:25] <t325> bryan_, to resize partition run chkdsk c: or d: or whathever: in windoze, then install qtparted or the partition editor of ur choice in linux, then resize the partition
[10:25] <Xira-> Also, which build of Ubuntu do you guys reccomend?
[10:25] <Karlosis> ah... didn't know that, jesuel , i too have ATI and amd64
[10:25] <eyequeue> bryan_:  of course, if money isn'at a factor, get another hd, trasfer the data to it, and make an ext2 partition where the ntfs one now is, and transfer the data back
[10:25] <Xira-> I'm just going to be using it as a desktop linux
[10:25] <eyequeue> t325:  he speaks as though his ms is gone
[10:25] <bryan_> yeah, i kicked windows to the curb
[10:26] <goldfish> i still have it for games
[10:26] <jesuel> Amaranth, You mention that that ati binary driver should work
[10:26] <jesuel> Amaranth, im getting a hardlock on my system when i try to use it. :(
[10:26] <Xira-> What's the diffrence of warty/jigit/4.10??
[10:26] <eyequeue> bryan_:  but as i implied, if you're the social type, borrowing a drive from a friend for a bit can be your solution (hd, if not cd)
[10:26] <Amaranth> nothing
[10:26] <Amaranth> jigit is a way of getting it
[10:26] <Xira-> Nothing? O_o
[10:27] <Xira-> Oh
[10:27] <Xira-> lol :P
[10:27] <Amaranth> warty is the name and 4.10 is the version
[10:27] <Xira-> Wow, it's only 1cd? :)
[10:28] <drspin> YAY vmware :)
[10:28] <Karlosis> jesuel, which package is it?
[10:28] <drspin> public beta = FREE :)
[10:28] <eyequeue> Xira-:  there is a livecd, and there is an install cd.  be careful to get the one you want
[10:28] <bryan_> thanks for the help guys
[10:28] <Xira-> http://source.rfc822.org/pub/mirror/releases.ubuntu.com/warty/warty-release-install-i386.iso is the install cd right?
[10:28] <Hell-Razor> hrm does anybody here have cedega running steam?
[10:28] <NetGeek> would people suggest getting an ATI (9600 XT) card over an nvidia card?
[10:29] <Xira-> NetGeek: for *nix?
[10:29] <bryan_> Xira-, yes
[10:29] <Xira-> no
[10:29] <goldfish> Hell-Razor: blizah mentioned it earlier
[10:29] <Xira-> not if you're going to use *nix
[10:29] <Xira-> If you're going to use *nix get nVidia
[10:29] <JordanAU> okay after many hours of work i have managed to get ndiswrapper deb file on my new ubuntu install. How do i run it? should i use synaptic and make my folder where the file is a repository???
[10:29] <Xira-> better driver support
[10:29] <NetGeek> Xira-: the driver for ATI still suck?
[10:29] <Xira-> well
[10:29] <Xira-> pretty much
[10:29] <Hell-Razor> Xira-: ati runs good on linux, just a pain in the fucking ass to install
[10:29] <eyequeue> JordanAU:  "run"?  you mean install?
[10:29] <bryan_> yeah
[10:29] <JordanAU> yes
[10:29] <jesuel> Hell-Razor,  aye
[10:29] <Xira-> they're not the greatest thing in the world
[10:29] <Guinea> checking for GLIB - version >= 1.2.2... no
[10:29] <Guinea> *** The glib-config script installed by GLIB could not be found
[10:29] <Guinea> *** If GLIB was installed in PREFIX, make sure PREFIX/bin is in
[10:29] <Guinea> *** your path, or set the GLIB_CONFIG environment variable to the
[10:29] <Guinea> *** full path to glib-config.
[10:29] <Guinea> configure: error: *** GLIB >= 1.2.2 not installed - please install first ***
[10:30] <bryan_> i need to install something for my ati video
[10:30] <bryan_> i need to get out of 1024x768
[10:30] <eyequeue> Guinea:  don't flood please
[10:30] <NetGeek> I can get the ATI $70 cheaper than a comparable nvidia card
[10:30] <Guinea> Sorry.
[10:30] <Xira-> THe reason I got this Ati Radeon 9800 Pro 256mb is because I got it for $80 USD from an nVidia fanboy back when this card was like 300$+
[10:30] <bryan_> i need my 1280x1024 back
[10:30] <Guinea> I didn't intend to.
[10:30] <koos_the_rea> hoary-install-i386.iso hope this is the right one
[10:30] <JordanAU> eyequeue: yes
[10:30] <eyequeue> JordanAU:  you run dpkg to do that :)  "sudo dpkg --install foo.deb"
[10:30] <JordanAU> dpkg
[10:30] <JordanAU> great
[10:31] <eyequeue> JordanAU:  foo.deb being ndis*
[10:31] <Guinea> So, I get the message above... What do I have to do?
[10:31] <JordanAU> perfect
[10:31] <Xira-> So 4.10 is only 1cd to confirm, right?
[10:31] <drspin> Xira-: yes
[10:31] <eyequeue> JordanAU:  welcome to ubuntu btw :)
[10:31] <Xira-> And you can setup a dual boot with XP from the install easily?
[10:31] <ompaul> koos_the_rea, it is the right one for downloading if you have choosen it from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/array-6/ if it is array 6 you want
[10:31] <JordanAU> i will rebooy into linux and hopefully will be back with good news
[10:31] <hawke_> Guinea: install libglib-dev
[10:31] <JordanAU> thanks for the welcome
[10:31] <eyequeue> Xira-:  correct, 1 live cd OR 1 install cd (which do differ)
[10:32] <Xira-> I'm on XP with 20gb or so of unpartitoned space, will it be easy for me to setup a dual boot in Ubuntu in the setup?
[10:32] <bear> is anyone having "connection refused" errors trying to apt-get update (from us.archive.ubuntu.com) ?
[10:32] <eyequeue> Xira-:  easy is opinion, but i think you'll find it easy if you're not a complete novice, and it sounds like you're not
[10:32] <Xira-> I've installed Fedora and Mandrake before
[10:33] <Xira-> heh
[10:33] <Guinea> Hawke: It is installed...
[10:33] <randin> where is mplayer?
[10:33] <randin> universe?
[10:33] <randin> or someplace else?
[10:33] <eyequeue> Xira-:  you'll find it different,but well-within your ability, imo
[10:33] <Xira-> k
[10:33] <Xira-> thx :)
[10:33] <koos_the_rea> ok thanx
[10:33] <Xira-> I finally grew some balls and resized my partition to make 20gb free for *nix
[10:34] <Xira-> :P
[10:34] <eyequeue> heh
[10:34] <Xira-> and luckily it worked
[10:34] <drspin> Xira -- I need a place to put 50G of data so I can bag my NTFS
[10:34] <NetGeek> is there a mplayer deb with the graphical interface enabled in warty?
[10:34] <Xira-> drspin: external hd!
[10:34] <eyequeue> NetGeek:  not precisely
[10:35] <Xira-> 15mins left till Ubuntu is done
[10:35] <Xira-> <3 comcast
[10:35] <bryan_> how come ati only released their new linux drivers in rpm format?
[10:35] <bryan_> how do i use a rpm on deb/ubuntu
[10:35] <goldfish> bryan_: use alien
[10:35] <drspin> Xira-: no $$ to fund such a project ;)
[10:35] <eyequeue> NetGeek:  being "non-free" it's not in the official repositories, but it is easy to add the repository you need following the instructions on the wiki
[10:35] <drspin> 46.6G of data to be exact
[10:35] <Amaranth> bryan_: alien file.rpm
[10:36] <Amaranth> bryan_: It'll generate a .deb file
[10:36] <Xira-> Amaranth: So I can install the ATI Binary drivers through apt-get?
[10:36] <bryan_> then i do dpkg --install file.deb?
[10:36] <Amaranth> Xira-: Yeah. I think you have to enable multiverse first though.
[10:36] <eyequeue> bryan_:  bingo :)  btw, dpkg -i is less typing for the same thing, if you see it mentioned
[10:36] <Xira-> I'll be asking those questions after I get it installed :P
[10:37] <NetGeek> eyequeue: get the hoary one for warty?
[10:37] <Xira-> I'm typing in windows right now
[10:37] <Xira-> and the red sheild icon in my tray is scaring me and telling me I don't have an antivirus
[10:37] <eyequeue> NetGeek:  no, warty has it as well, i believe
[10:37] <Xira-> It also told me I suck
[10:37] <Xira-> :(
[10:37] <goldfish> lol
[10:37] <eyequeue> NetGeek:  there is even an mplayer plugin for mozilla/firefox, iirc
[10:38] <bryan_> bleh, it crashed
[10:38] <avirox> hi all
[10:38] <bryan_> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[10:38] <goldfish> hai
[10:38] <andrewski> hey
[10:38] <avirox> I'm having problems in ubuntu with my web connection
[10:38] <NetGeek> eyequeue: the wiki page I found was for hoary mplayer in warty
[10:38] <avirox> for soem reason it seems to hang a lot
[10:38] <eyequeue> NetGeek:  generally, it's best not to mix warty and hoary
[10:38] <andrewski> avirox: what kind of connection?
[10:38] <horay_tester> Hi, I am both new to ubuntu (and debian) and testing hoary on a laptop. So far WOW! great.. but there are some issues.
[10:38] <avirox> like, gAIM and synaptic wont load right away usually
[10:38] <avirox> andrewski, PPP
[10:38] <Xira-> Once I get Ubuntu installed, will it be easy to read from my NTFS partition?
[10:38] <avirox> DSL
[10:39] <eyequeue> NetGeek:  hmmm, you can try i supose, but i'd first see if you can find a waty one
[10:39] <AndyR> lo all
[10:39] <andrewski> avirox: are they dialing in?  or is it already connected
[10:39] <andrewski> hey AndyR
[10:39] <andrewski> AndyR: nice name :)
[10:39] <horay_tester> I made somechjnges to the acpi directories, and somehow the upgrade from synaptic does not override my chnges! is there a way to reset the changes???
[10:39] <avirox> right now im downloading an update at 600 bytes a second, a minute ago it wa 40kb/s ~
[10:39] <avirox> andrewski, already conencted
[10:39] <AndyR> andrewski, :)
[10:39] <eyequeue> Xira-:  read yes, write no.  you first mount it with -t ntfs
[10:39] <avirox> i made it do so at bootup
[10:39] <andrewski> avirox: can you ping your gateway?
[10:40] <Xira-> I don't need to write
[10:40] <avirox> er.. how?
[10:40] <Xira-> I just need access to my music
[10:40] <Xira-> and .docs
[10:40] <goldfish> Xira-: yep
[10:40] <blizah> can i update firefox w/ out going to hoary?
[10:40] <andrewski> avirox: do you know the IP of your gateway?
[10:40] <avirox> nope
[10:40] <blizah> k, tnx
[10:40] <andrewski> avirox: ok, open up networking
[10:40] <eyequeue> blizah:  you may be interested in the backports project, see the wiki
[10:40] <andrewski> blizah: that wasn't at you.  you can. :)
[10:40] <andrewski> blizah: ^^^ see what eyequeue said.
[10:41] <avirox> ok
[10:41] <avirox> now?
[10:41] <bear> is us.archive.ubuntu.com down? I'm getting connection refused from apt-get update
[10:41] <goldfish> Xira-: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#mountunmountntfs
[10:41] <andrewski> avirox: whenever you want help :)
[10:41] <drspin> is there a good tutorial for managing my files on linux...
[10:41] <andrewski> drspin: what do you mean "managing"?
[10:41] <andrewski> drspin: where to put stuff?
[10:41] <eyequeue> drspin:  "managing"?
[10:41] <avirox> hmm it sez i have 2 dns servers
[10:41] <andrewski> avirox: yes, but what's your gateway?
[10:42] <andrewski> avirox: can you find that?
[10:42] <avirox> says "default gateway device: eth0"
[10:42] <andrewski> avirox: ok, then open the properties for eth0 :)
[10:42] <eyequeue> andrewski:  we're overlapping a bit :)  i'm off to find food, leaving the world in your good hands :)
[10:42] <andrewski> avirox: at the bottom is "gateway"
[10:43] <andrewski> eyequeue: heh :) i want you to know i was faster. :)
[10:43] <avirox> "Gateway" is greyed
[10:43] <avirox> since it's on DHCP
[10:43] <eyequeue> heh
[10:43] <andrewski> avirox: oh, right.
[10:43] <andrewski> eyequeue: ;)
[10:43] <avirox> ?
[10:43] <andrewski> avirox: open up a terminal then
[10:44] <avirox> k
[10:44] <blizah> ah cool
[10:44] <blizah> is it stable?
[10:44] <andrewski> avirox: ifconfig eth0
[10:44] <blizah> (the backports project)
[10:44] <avirox> root@ubuntu:/home/avirox # ipconfig eth0
[10:44] <avirox> bash: ipconfig: command not found
[10:44] <andrewski> blizah: there are many people using it, if that's what you mean.  it's the same package as hoary.
[10:44] <andrewski> avirox: yes, iFconfig
[10:44] <Vjaz> avirox: it's ifconfig
[10:44] <avirox> oooh
[10:44] <Vjaz> avirox: interface-config, I think
[10:44] <avirox> sorry
[10:44] <avirox> ghehe
[10:45] <andrewski> avirox: you're not in windows anymore, toto... i mean avirox. :P
[10:45] <avirox> ;)
[10:45] <avirox> root@ubuntu:/home/avirox # ifconfig eth0
[10:45] <avirox> eth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:0F:EA:48:9F:1F
[10:45] <avirox>           inet addr:192.168.1.46  Bcast:255.255.255.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
[10:45] <avirox>           inet6 addr: fe80::20f:eaff:fe48:9f1f/64 Scope:Link
[10:45] <avirox>           UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
[10:45] <avirox>           RX packets:8069 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
[10:45] <avirox>           TX packets:5363 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
[10:45] <avirox>           collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
[10:45] <avirox>           RX bytes:10424391 (9.9 MiB)  TX bytes:445131 (434.6 KiB)
[10:45] <avirox>           Interrupt:22 Base address:0xa000
[10:45] <andrewski> ooh... you didn't need to post it all. :D
[10:45] <avirox> sry@spam
[10:45] <avirox> guess I should have MSGd that hehe
[10:45] <randin> or a pastebin
[10:45] <Xira-> <3 pastebin
[10:46] <Blissex> avirox: excessive paste, and most  of the lines are useless.
[10:46] <andrewski> Blissex: yes, he realised that.
[10:46] <avirox> andrewski, so does it look ok?
[10:46] <Xira-> Blissex: a little behind are we? :)
[10:47] <Blissex> Xira-: stating the obvious in a summary can reinforce the message... :-)
[10:47] <andrewski> avirox: ok, so try to ping the DNS servers.  'ping -c 10 ###.##.###.##'
[10:47] <Xira-> Blissex: True. :P
[10:47] <andrewski> Blissex: but it had already been restated. :P
[10:47] <andrewski> avirox: you still have networking open?  the dns servers are in there.  ping both.
[10:48] <drspin> eyequeue: andrewski: I mean I want to free up some space on my comp... aside from $home where else can I look for stuff to delete?
[10:48] <avirox> k
[10:48] <andrewski> avirox: when you're done, paste the last two lines.
[10:48] <andrewski> avirox: for each. :)
[10:48] <avirox> rgr
[10:48] <andrewski> drspin: sudo apt-get clean
[10:49] <andrewski> drspin: that will delete the package files for anything installed.
[10:49] <avirox> 10 packets transmitted, 10 received, 0% packet loss, time 9008ms
[10:49] <avirox> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 8.566/9.363/10.262/0.549 ms
[10:49] <andrewski> drspin: other than that, /tmp has some stuff...
[10:49] <avirox> and for the second one..
[10:49] <avirox> 10 packets transmitted, 10 received, 0% packet loss, time 9009ms
[10:49] <avirox> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 18.204/19.169/19.742/0.518 ms
[10:49] <andrewski> avirox: try the second one again.
[10:50] <avirox> k
[10:50] <andrewski> @all: how does one find the gateway IP on DHCP?
[10:50] <avirox> 10 packets transmitted, 10 received, 0% packet loss, time 9000ms
[10:50] <avirox> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 18.443/19.042/19.680/0.441 ms
[10:50] <bryan_> gateway is usually 192.168.0.1
[10:50] <andrewski> avirox: nothing there looks bad, those are all pretty low values.
[10:50] <andrewski> avirox: are you on a router?
[10:50] <avirox> should i even have 2 dns servers?
[10:50] <EX-YU> dali iko prica moj jezil
[10:51] <andrewski> avirox: dunno; i have 2. :P
[10:51] <EX-YU> DALI IKO PRICA MOJ JEZIK
[10:51] <R0bNyc> anyonehere got gnomebaker?
[10:51] <Xira-> Another question, how is setting up dual boot in Ubuntu work?
[10:51] <Levander> andrewski: /sbin/ip route
[10:51] <andrewski> Xira-: there's a howto on the website.
[10:51] <andrewski> Levander: thanks.
[10:52] <Levander> andrewski: "default via" lists gateway
[10:52] <andrewski> avirox: try that ^^^
[10:52] <Levander> Xira-: to complicated for here, check what andrewski said
[10:52] <andrewski> Xira-: post back if you have trouble finding it.
[10:53] <jesuel> sweet, got ati's fglrx drivers working now :)
[10:53] <Levander> my /etc/hosts file gets overwritten every time i reboot, anybody know what tool I can use to configure this overwriting?
[10:53] <andrewski> avirox: brb.
[10:53] <jesuel> my laptop is happy :)
[10:53] <ender_> hi
[10:53] <bryan_> jesuel, how!
[10:53] <ender_> nas
[10:53] <clparker> how do i get GNOME terminal?
[10:53] <jesuel> bryan_,  what do you mean how?
[10:53] <tck> anyone play a divx file on ubunut
[10:53] <tck> *ubuntu
[10:53] <bryan_> horay or warty?
[10:53] <HrdwrBoB> clparker: you already have it
[10:54] <Levander> nevermind, i found it, Computer -> System Configuration -> Networking
[10:54] <tck> have an .avi encoded with divx, having problems playing it
[10:54] <clparker> how do i run GNOME terminal?
[10:54] <goldfish> clparker: Applications > Sys tools > terminal
[10:54] <jesuel> bryan_, hoary
[10:54] <ender_> i ve just installed ubuntu but it didn't ask me for a root password, there is any one default?
[10:54] <HrdwrBoB> clparker: right click on desktop, open terminal
[10:54] <bryan_> ohh
[10:54] <bryan_> ok
[10:54] <clparker> oh ok.
[10:54] <andrewski> avirox: you still there? :)
[10:55] <goldfish> ender_: no root account as default
[10:55] <Fator_Dee> ender_: you use sudo
[10:55] <clparker> i saw screen shots of a program that said GNOME terminal at the top
[10:55] <gilles> Next month, when Hoary will be released, how should I do to upgrade my Warty ?
[10:55] <goldfish> the root pass is your accunt pass
[10:55] <HrdwrBoB> well not quite
[10:55] <HrdwrBoB> there is no root password
[10:55] <ender_> oh, ok
[10:55] <goldfish> well
[10:55] <goldfish> sorry
[10:55] <HrdwrBoB> but sudo will get you root access with your password
[10:55] <Xira-> andrewski: Looks confusing :x
[10:56] <ender_> the user is directly the root?
[10:56] <goldfish> Xira-: It's easy enough.
[10:56] <goldfish> ender_: nope
[10:56] <goldfish> ender_: sudo to root
[10:56] <goldfish> well
[10:56] <pere> anyone here involved with popcon in ubuntu?
[10:56] <ender_> whats sudo?
[10:56] <goldfish> oh right
[10:56] <ender_> im not english ;)
[10:56] <Fator_Dee> man sudo
[10:56] <randin> sudo is superuser do!
[10:56] <ender_> ok
[10:56] <randin> you do stuff as root
[10:57] <goldfish> I:m not eNgliSH!
[10:57] <randin> the way things should be done
[10:57] <ender_> ok
[10:57] <Xira-> goldfish: I have 1 huge NTFS partition and 20gb of Unpartitioned space, I plan to install Ubuntu on that space, so what else do I need to change in terms of partitions?
[10:57] <ender_> thanks
[10:57] <HrdwrBoB> Xira-: nothing, just tell ubuntu to use that spae
[10:57] <goldfish> Xira-: leave it as empty space
[10:57] <HrdwrBoB> space
[10:57] <goldfish> ubuntu install disk will do everythng for you
[10:57] <Xira-> What else will I have to do on those instructions then?
[10:57] <Xira-> for dual boot to work
[10:58] <goldfish> what instructions?
[10:58] <Xira-> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WindowsDualBootHowTo/view?searchterm=dual%20boot
[10:58] <goldfish> Xira-: u have 20 gigs of unpartitioned space, yes?
[10:59] <Xira-> yes
[10:59] <andrewski> avirox: alright, you'll have to have someone else help you.
[10:59] <goldfish> Xira-: just stick in the ubuntu disk
[11:00] <goldfish> Xira-: let it partition the empty space for you
[11:00] <Xira-> Well will the Ubuntu installer ask me if I want to dual boot using grub or w/e?
[11:01] <art-777> Hi. I can't configure gnome menu -  Ubuntu 5.04. "nautilus applications:///" do not work. Can anybody hel me ?
[11:01] <goldfish> Xira-: it will install grub auto
[11:01] <cao30> hello ppl
[11:01] <Xira-> and grub will do the dual boot thing auto?
[11:01] <mdke> who has good knowledge about the difference between the mplayer-ubuntu build and the mplayer-woody build in mplayer?
[11:01] <goldfish> Xira-: yep
[11:01] <Xira-> k
[11:01] <goldfish> Xira-: u dual booting with xp ?
[11:01] <Xira-> goldfish: I plan to
[11:01] <Xira-> I'm on XP right now
[11:01] <goldfish> well grub shud detect windows auto for you
[11:01] <Xira-> k
[11:01] <goldfish> k cool
[11:01] <Xira-> Anything ele I need to know?
[11:01] <goldfish> i do the same
[11:01] <Xira-> Before I boot from the cd
[11:01] <thierry> how do I set up my printer?
[11:01] <goldfish> not really
[11:01] <Xira-> k
[11:02] <Xira-> bbs then, gonna install
[11:02] <LinuxJones> art-777, nobody has an answer
[11:02] <cao30> i'm connecting to the net through an external router, how can I know which dynamic IP address my ISP assigned to me?
[11:02] <goldfish> Xira-: the installation cd is fairly straight forward
[11:02] <Xira-> k
[11:02] <Xira-> wish me luck :)
[11:02] <goldfish> Xira-: good luck :)
[11:02] <cao30> good luck :)
[11:02] <goldfish> cao30: www.whatismyip.org
[11:02] <cao30> hum.. I need to guess it via command line
[11:02] <goldfish> :)
[11:03] <goldfish> em
[11:03] <cao30> just to launch ez-ipupdate
[11:03] <goldfish> ifconfig doesnt doesnt show it, it seems
[11:03] <cao30> no, it just gives my local net address (10.0.0.3)
[11:03] <goldfish> one sec, ill ask my linux friends :)
[11:03] <goldfish> im a n00b
[11:07] <andreas> Good evening
[11:07] <cao30> good evening
[11:08] <horay_tester>  Good evening
[11:08] <schasi> Good evening
[11:08] <andreas> I was wondering if any of yu guys knew of a decent RSS program that integrates with the desktop?
[11:08] <JordanAU> good evening
[11:08] <horay_tester> with KDE there is akregator,
[11:08] <andreas> So polite...;-)
[11:08] <horay_tester> with gnome??!??!!? dont know
[11:08] <apokryphos> andreas: depends on whether you're using Gnome/kde. Not sure about gnome, but kde has akregator.
[11:08] <[FiDO] > ok I'm havig a problem with my tv audio
[11:08] <andreas> Hmm... I am actually using Gnome
[11:09] <horay_tester> where to report ubunto hoary problems????
[11:09] <[FiDO] > for some reason its trying to use the wrong device does anyone have any idea how I would force it to cange
[11:09] <horay_tester> TV is beyond me sorry..
[11:09] <apokryphos> horay_tester: depends on what they are. Perhaps filing a bug-report. What's the problem?
[11:10] <horay_tester> window focus steeling for example, and some other little things, like when I add some applets to the panel the gnome panels would freeze
[11:11] <thierry> how can I set up my printer?
[11:12] <mdke> what does Sounder CD9 mean? <-- sorry my net connection went down for a moment. Did anyone answer this?
[11:12] <horay_tester> And another problem, which might be my ignorance is related to synaptic, I playes with the /etc/acpi dir, and further updates of the acpi even reinstall would not restore the original files, its as if it remembers it? how to reset it?
[11:13] <horay_tester> Where to get info on the changes in the updated software in Ubuntu?
[11:14] <kent> thierry, in the menu, you should find a program called printer or something like that.
[11:14] <ssam> you should get change logs in hoary now, in synaptic
[11:14] <apokryphos> horay_tester: also, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryHedgehog has a lot of the basic stuff.
[11:15] <mdke> what does Sounder CD9 mean? <-- sorry my net connection went down for a moment. Did anyone answer this?
[11:15] <andreas> Also comes when you hit the "terminal" button while updating. (soing as we speak)
[11:16] <JordanAU> is the kernel source available on the warty cd?
[11:16] <error_29> folks, gnome is trying to wear me out or induce epilepsy with animations, and I can't turn them off-- help
[11:16] <goldfish> use fluxbox
[11:16] <goldfish> :)
[11:16] <goldfish> well
[11:17] <error_29> in Gconfig, I unchecked this thing: "enable animations"-- but, panels still animate when I hide/unhide them
[11:17] <andreas> Does anyone know how to install a new login theme from art.gnome?
[11:17] <error_29> and,- this makes me crazy- I can't find a way to get windows to just minimize, without a very distracting animation effect-- what gives?
[11:17] <LinuxJones> andreas, in gdmsetup
[11:18] <dampjam> What ubuntu packages contains the javac binary to create jar files?
[11:18] <andreas> linuxjones: You`ll have to guide me to that.
[11:18] <andreas> Can`t see it
[11:18] <LinuxJones> andreas, sudo gdmsetup in console
[11:19] <drspin> Anyone been able to get Nvu to work on Warty?
[11:19] <scorpix_> what the differents between universe and multiverse?
[11:19] <andreas> There we go... Thanks!
[11:19] <LinuxJones> ;)
[11:20] <mdke> drspin, i tried and failed on hoary
[11:20] <vincent_> scorpix_: in multiverse there is non-free software, i think
[11:21] <jesus\> what do i install to get a java virtual machine?
[11:21] <drspin> mdke: doesn't work on Warty either :(
[11:21] <zenrox> jesus\,  read www.ubuntuguide.org for installing java
[11:21] <jesus\> thanks
[11:21] <goldfish> jesus\: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[11:22] <kent> *ggrr* Some cd-rw drives should not be allowed to say they can burn in high speeds. Last night I f*cked my third CD, and it seems that if I just burn in a lower speed everything will work just fine.
[11:23] <JordanAU> what is the kernel version of warty
[11:23] <andreas> .
[11:23] <andreas> 2.6
[11:23] <kez> Hi chaps, having a little issue with my user permissions on some vfat mounts. The mount string in fstab is fine, but the two folders in /mnt are not - i've chgrpd them to users and chownd them my user repeatedly, but they keep getting reverted to root
[11:23] <phosphorgreen> JordanAU: uname -a
[11:23] <thierry> kent, Idont find anything like that, for printer
[11:23] <JordanAU> crap gotta reboot to linux
[11:24] <JordanAU> but uname -1 will give the kernel version
[11:24] <andreas> I once saw a really cool login featurin a cup of coffee on a white background but i cannot find it now. Anyone?
[11:24] <JordanAU> i mean uname -a
[11:24] <jblack> Hi. I'm having trouble with hotplug the drivers for my ipw2200 every time I upgrade the kernel. Instead, I end up having to update symlinks. I understand that hotplug is supposed to handle that automatically.
[11:24] <tjs> gday, just trying to install warty on a machine with an adaptec SATA hardware raid controller. Ive configured raid 1 in the bios utility, mirroring both disks, and when I run custom-expert installer I notice that its loading ata_piix raid controller modules, however when I get to partitioning the disk it represents it as sda and sdb
[11:24] <kent> thierry, Im not on ubuntu warty so I cant help you with where it is, but im sure its there some where..  In Computer somewhere? I have it in System->Administration, but Im using the unstable branch of Ubuntu, so Its a bit diffrent from yours..
[11:25] <JordanAU> and then to install the source all i have to do is download the correct version off of kernel.org and tar correct?
[11:25] <thierry> kent, got it thanks
[11:25] <phosphorgreen> JordanAU: I think you need to read a few things
[11:25] <phosphorgreen> download the kernel source package with synaptic
[11:25] <JordanAU> i have been readin all day
[11:25] <phosphorgreen> that will save you some time
[11:26] <JordanAU> i cant i dont have ndiswrapper yet
[11:26] <phosphorgreen> well it'll be much easier to use the ubuntu kernel-source rather than the one from kernel.org, trust me
[11:26] <waseem> Hi I'm trying to connect my calculator using tilp, and I'm getting the error message: Msg: Timeout occured while writing to the device.
[11:26] <waseem> Cause: Check that your link cable is plugged and/or the calculator is ready. I checked the faq for the program and the answer to this problem was to Check nodes permissions (/dev/ttySx). Can anyone here walk me through the process? Thanks.
[11:26] <JordanAU> i have finally gotten the deb package installed ndiswrapper-source_1.1-1_i386.deb
[11:27] <JordanAU> now i have to comile it and i need the kernel source
[11:27] <phosphorgreen> is it a wifi card you are installing?
[11:27] <JordanAU> comile/compile
[11:27] <JordanAU> yes
[11:27] <phosphorgreen> why don't you get a decent wifi card
[11:27] <phosphorgreen> save yourself the bother
[11:27] <phosphorgreen> kernel compilation follow these main steps:
[11:27] <JordanAU> i already have toe wifi card
[11:27] <JordanAU> toe/the
[11:27] <waseem> can anyone here help emw tih the problem?
[11:27] <phosphorgreen> 1) tar zxf kernel-blah.tar.gz
[11:27] <JordanAU> i have had it for a year
[11:27] <phosphorgreen> get a better one
[11:27] <JordanAU> this is a new install
[11:28] <phosphorgreen> 2) make menuconfig
[11:28] <phosphorgreen> 3) make
[11:28] <JordanAU> is linksys not good?
[11:28] <phosphorgreen> 4) make modules
[11:28] <phosphorgreen> 5) make bzImage
[11:28] <phosphorgreen> 6) make install
[11:28] <chlunde> Is there a problem with launchpad/registration?  I'm not getting an email.
[11:28] <phosphorgreen> make sure you do the right stuff in menuconfig or you will be right back at the beginning.
[11:28] <zenrox> JordanAU,  read the www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki and look for kernel how to
[11:29] <wasabi_> Does warty x86 support installing over a serial cable?
[11:29] <phosphorgreen> There is nothing seriously wrong with your card, your chipset is not natively supported, thats why you have to use ndiswrapper
[11:29] <phosphorgreen> it would be a lot nicer if you got something like a Cisco Aironet 350 or even a Prism 2 based card.
[11:30] <phosphorgreen> if you get one of those, you can pop it in and hey presto, it just works.
[11:30] <phosphorgreen> no compiling
[11:30] <Hell-Razor> can somebody help me out installing the ati-drivers. I wen to there website and used alien to install the rpm but i am getting an error nwo
[11:31] <plex0r_> i have..
[11:31] <plex0r_> a system that is on windows XP
[11:31] <plex0r_> and i ahve lots of files on
[11:31] <plex0r_> is there a way to dual boot ubuntu
[11:31] <plex0r_> without deleting
[11:31] <wasabi_> Does warty x86 support installing over a serial cable? I want to try it. ;)
[11:31] <wasabi_> plex0r_, resize the winxp partition or get a second hd
[11:31] <horay_tester> thanks
[11:32] <horay_tester> apokryphos: thanks
[11:32] <plex0r_> ok ty
[11:32] <plex0r_> how much will i need for ubuntu
[11:32] <farruinn> Hell-Razor: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto ought to help
[11:32] <wasabi_> few gigs.
[11:32] <plex0r_> GB
[11:32] <JordanAU> phosphorgreen: thank you i will be trying that shorty
[11:32] <wasabi_> you'll want more though
[11:32] <plex0r_> say 10?
[11:32] <wasabi_> 10 is enough.
[11:32] <plex0r_> ok...and ill format that in linux
[11:32] <mdke> who knows something about mp3 encoding? is it necessary to install gstreamer-lame, or is the package "lame" sufficient for this purpose?
[11:33] <plex0r_> then i gotta make a linux swap?
[11:33] <Hell-Razor> farruinn: ty
[11:33] <error_29> In gnome, is there a quick way to shutdown metacity, and start up another window manager, without logging out?  and how do I get another window manager to run as default under gnome in warty?
[11:33] <HrdwrBoB> error_29: killall metacity; other_wm &
[11:34] <mjr> "lame" is sufficient, but you may need gstreamer-lame for programs that use gstreamer for encoding
[11:34] <djp> mdke: http://ubuntuguide.org/
[11:34] <tjs> How can I get the installer to prompt for drivers from another cd?
[11:34] <Xira-> Okay guys
[11:34] <horay_tester> bye
[11:34] <Xira-> I installed it, everything went fine, including grub
[11:34] <HrdwrBoB> tjs: for what?
[11:34] <mdke> mjr, thank you. Do you know which programs use gstreamer for encoding?
[11:34] <mjr> error_29, you need to set metacity as a non-respawning process from session properties before doing what HrdwrBoB suggested, to have it working reliably
[11:35] <Xira-> But when it says it's starting Gnome or X or whatever
[11:35] <error_29> thanks, HrdwrBoB,... is that "&" part of a command?
[11:35] <Xira-> My screen just turns off
[11:35] <mjr> mdke, no
[11:35] <Xira-> Can someone help me?
[11:35] <HrdwrBoB> error_29: yep, that will send the other_wm into the background
[11:35] <mdke> mjr, ok thanks for your help anyway
[11:35] <mjr> mdke, just install the gstreamer package anyway :)
[11:35] <djp> Xira: what is the problem?
[11:35] <farruinn> error_29: to make it permanent use gconf
[11:35] <error_29> Thanks, folks
[11:35] <farruinn> error_29: gnome>apps>window manager>default iirc
[11:35] <Beirdo> has anyone seen snmpd zombie all the time?  I'm trying warty on an AMD64
[11:35] <Xira-> Hi, I installed Ubuntu dualbooting with XP, everything went ok, but when it trys to start Gnome my screen turns off. What can I do?
[11:36] <goldfish> Xira-: got an nvidia card?
[11:36] <mdke> mjr, i am trying to restructure the restricted formats wiki, it is a bit inconsistent so i'm trying to figure out inconsistencies. the gstreamer-lame package requires an extra repo, so maybe better to use lame if poss
[11:36] <tjs> HrdwrBoB, I have an adaptec hw SATA raid controller, on a stock intel 1u server, I configure raid 1, and the installer loads ata_piix sata raid controller drivers, but when it comes to the partitioning bit of the installer, I see sda and sdb
[11:36] <Xira-> goldfish: ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 256mb
[11:36] <goldfish> ah right
[11:36] <goldfish> u might need to get ati drivers
[11:36] <Xira-> I was told that it would at least support 2d
[11:36] <HrdwrBoB> tjs: it's not really raid
[11:36] <djp> Xira-: sorry, i know nothing about dual boots, i use a ubuntu only system. maybe somebody else here will give you hand...
[11:37] <HrdwrBoB> tjs: you'd be better off using software raid TBH
[11:37] <Xira-> Well the dual boot part doesn't really matter
[11:37] <tjs> oh
[11:37] <plex0r_> for ubuntu do i just need linux partition and a linux-swap partition?
[11:37] <tjs> why is it not really raid?
[11:37] <HrdwrBoB> it's merely a bios front end to a software raid driver
[11:37] <saif> hello every1, just installed kubuntu, everything seems to be running fine, excpect that i can't get the network stuff, i have a dhcpo configured, and i just want to run or change the settings any1 knows where from?
[11:37] <HrdwrBoB> the raid is not done in hardware
[11:37] <djp> Xira_: then why are you dual booting?
[11:37] <goldfish> plex0r_: the install cd does all the partitioning for you
[11:37] <HrdwrBoB> you have to pay several hundred dollars for a real raid card
[11:38] <plex0r_> oh so its not like slack
[11:38] <plex0r_> ok..
[11:38] <Xira-> goldfish: What can I do?
[11:38] <goldfish> Xira-: one sec
[11:38] <Xira-> k
[11:38] <goldfish> i had the same problem
[11:38] <goldfish> looking for the command
[11:39] <plex0r_> now when i install this ubuntu will it over write windows?
[11:39] <saif> guys?! any1 knows how to configure the network?!?! just need to tell kubuntu to get the address automatically from the dhcp server!
[11:39] <goldfish> not if u dont want it to
[11:39] <plex0r_> my friend, goldfish, you knwo him, dazed, didnt want to and it did anyways.
[11:39] <goldfish> plex0r_: ah right
[11:39] <plex0r_> did he do something wrong?
[11:40] <goldfish> he never partitioned properly
[11:40] <goldfish> probably
[11:40] <plex0r_> ok
[11:40] <cavediver> Hmm. My Gnome was updated to 2.10 today. Is it released? I can't find any info on gnome.org
[11:40] <plex0r_> i thought linux would see nfts as a locked drive
[11:40] <goldfish> well the ubuntu disk needs empty space
[11:40] <goldfish> it creates the partition itself
[11:40] <saif> emm, yes but you might run into problems installed both of them,
[11:40] <plex0r_> so if i just read carefully and know what im doing it wont delete
[11:41] <saif> after i installed ubuntu the first time, windows wouldn't start
[11:41] <goldfish> plex0r_: is your hd partitioned?
[11:41] <goldfish> plex0r_: u want to dual boot?
[11:41] <plex0r_> no i need to set 10 gigs for ubuntu
[11:41] <plex0r_> yes i do
[11:41] <goldfish> k
[11:41] <Xira-> heh
[11:41] <goldfish> well u gotta partition it
[11:41] <plex0r_> once i set that partititon space
[11:41] <goldfish> partition the bit for windows
[11:41] <plex0r_> will i need to format it as well?
[11:41] <goldfish> leave 10g as empty space
[11:41] <plex0r_> i already got windows
[11:41] <goldfish> no
[11:42] <goldfish> well, k
[11:42] <goldfish> leave it as empty space
[11:42] <plex0r_> so i just need to set 10 gig for ubuntu
[11:42] <plex0r_> boot from disk
[11:42] <plex0r_> and done
[11:42] <goldfish> should do
[11:42] <plex0r_> ill try on laptop before i try on pc -_-
[11:42] <goldfish> select the empty space
[11:42] <plex0r_> yeah.
[11:42] <plex0r_> thank you.
[11:42] <goldfish> kk
[11:42] <Xira-> goldfish: ?
[11:43] <plex0r_> slackware so much harder :p
[11:43] <goldfish> Xira-: sorry :)
[11:43] <R0bNyc> what do you all gnome users use for iso burning ? i dont seem to find gnomebaker
[11:43] <plex0r_> gentoo even harder
[11:43] <mcphail> R0bNyc: nautilus
[11:43] <LinuxJones> R0bNyc, graveman is quite good as well as gnomebaker
[11:43] <Xira-> goldfish: sorry as in i can't help you or sorry I'm being so slow? :P
[11:43] <djp> R0bNyc: cdrecord
[11:43] <saif> R0bNyc, just right click the iso, and u should have write to disc
[11:43] <goldfish> Xira-: slow
[11:44] <R0bNyc> errr
[11:44] <Xira-> k
[11:44] <wasabi_> I am getting Connection failed to archive.ubuntu.com
[11:44] <wasabi_> is that just me?
[11:44] <R0bNyc> ISO Image Burning like gnomebaker and k3b, I havent used the others so I Dontknow if you can burn iso images
[11:44] <wasabi_> hmm. browser works fine. just apt has a problem
[11:44] <phosphorgreen> ive been having connection issues to arcive.ubuntu.com all day today
[11:44] <phosphorgreen> on and off
[11:45] <phosphorgreen> it seems fine atm as i'm apt-getting from the universe atm
[11:45] <R0bNyc> phosphorgreen, me2
[11:45] <R0bNyc> connectionissues
[11:45] <mcphail> R0bNyc: as above, just right click the .iso in the nautilus file browser
[11:45] <saif> R0bNyc, i just tried it today, right click on the iso from nautilus and u should have a "write to disc" ( on hoary donno about warty)
[11:46] <R0bNyc> saif, i dont use warty either
[11:46] <R0bNyc> my sources are having connection issues right now so I Dont know
[11:47] <saif> R0bNyc, did u try right clicking the iso image?!
[11:47] <goldfish> Xira-: you can press ctrl + alt + f1
[11:47] <R0bNyc> saif err not yet
[11:47] <goldfish> Xira-: to get a shell
[11:47] <goldfish> and login
[11:47] <wasabi_> okay us.archive.ubuntu.com does not work for me
[11:47] <saif> TRY IT!
[11:47] <Xira-> Then what do I do..?
[11:47] <goldfish> Xira-: dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86
[11:47] <goldfish> run that
[11:47] <goldfish> think u gotta be root
[11:47] <Xira-> k
[11:47] <goldfish> and go through it
[11:47] <goldfish> it *Should* work
[11:47] <R0bNyc> saif, yea now I see write to disc but iso image burning is different
[11:48] <yokomo> what is this?
[11:48] <yokomo> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/Release.gpg  Could not connect to us.archive.ubuntu.com:80 (216.165.129.138). - connect (111 Connection refused)
[11:48] <Xira-> goldfish: And I do ctrl alt f1 while its booting
[11:48] <Xira-> ?
[11:48] <goldfish> nah
[11:48] <goldfish> after it boots
[11:48] <goldfish> the screen isnt dying
[11:48] <Xira-> well it trys to start gnome while its booting
[11:48] <goldfish> the gui is just failing
[11:48] <goldfish> does the screen go black?
[11:48] <Xira-> yes, the power button on my monitor turns yellow
[11:48] <Xira-> and it turns off
[11:48] <goldfish> oh dear
[11:49] <goldfish> well, thats a different problem altogether
[11:49] <Xira-> sigh
[11:49] <Xira-> :|
[11:49] <goldfish> sorry :/
[11:49] <Xira-> Well where can I get help?
[11:49] <goldfish> Xira-: try searching ubuntuforums.com
[11:49] <goldfish> maybe
[11:50] <saif> has any1 here tried kubuntu?
[11:50] <Xira-> not a valid url
[11:50] <Xira-> :|
[11:50] <goldfish> lol
[11:50] <goldfish> .org
[11:50] <goldfish> sorry hahaha
[11:50] <goldfish> saif: #kubuntu
[11:50] <mcphail> R0bNyc: "Write to disk" should be fine. It burns the .iso on my machine without any problems
[11:50] <saif> :) goldfish thanx!
[11:50] <R0bNyc> mcphail, ah thanks
[11:50] <R0bNyc> I wish I could find gnomebaker though
[11:51] <saif> exit
[11:51] <R0bNyc> k3b I prefer to use on kde desktops not gnome desktop
[11:51] <saif> :p sorry! bye!
[11:51] <goldfish> :)
[11:51] <jenz> hi
[11:52] <djp> R0bNyc: cdrecord dev=0,?,? -v /path/to/image.iso
[11:52] <andreas> How can i cange the splash screen in Gnome?
[11:53] <R0bNyc> djp, sorry that burning via term is too geeky for me
[11:53] <jenz> i just installed ubuntu and i wonder if its a good distribution to start with. im a total newbie at linux but im pretty good at windows. is ther any good reading that you recommend?
[11:53] <R0bNyc> andreas, you from yoper?
[11:53] <andreas> ubuntu
[11:53] <goldfish> jblack: ubuntuguide.org
[11:53] <theine> R0bNyc: have you looked at graveman?
[11:53] <goldfish> jblack: sorry
[11:54] <djp> R0bNyc: X-CDRoast is a good alternative
[11:55] <R0bNyc> theine, the ubuntu servers are not working correctly so theres no way I can do anything right now
[11:55] <R0bNyc> djp, I'll try graveman and X-CDRoast then
[11:55] <LinuxJones> R0bNyc, they are working fine for me
[11:55] <Hell-Razor> hey in ubuntu how do you get the copute rto automaticly log into fluxbox?
[11:55] <fgx> hi guys
[11:55] <R0bNyc> LinuxJones, you prob not using hoary?
[11:55] <LinuxJones> R0bNyc, xcdroast interface is terrible
[11:55] <LinuxJones> R0bNyc, yeah I am using Hoary
[11:55] <goldfish> Hell-Razor: when u enter your usernam and pass go into Session
[11:56] <goldfish> before u log onto ubuntu
[11:56] <Hell-Razor> goldfish: thats temperary though
[11:56] <andreas> Please guys....
[11:56] <Hell-Razor> goldfish: i dont want to do taht every time
[11:56] <R0bNyc> LinuxJones, weird I am too and it wasnt working for me all of a sudden let me retry again
[11:56] <goldfish> u can make it permanent Hell-Razor
[11:56] <goldfish> it will ask you
[11:56] <Hell-Razor> really?
[11:56] <goldfish> do u want to make this default
[11:56] <Hell-Razor> didnt know that
[11:56] <andreas> Can anyone help me out? I would like a new splash screen
[11:56] <goldfish> ye
[11:57] <carthik> I have a keyboard problem - each time after I reboot/re-login, some keys dont work!
[11:57] <carthik> hod do I solve this?
[11:57] <R0bNyc> Hit ftp://ftp.nerim.net stable Release
[11:57] <R0bNyc> Ign ftp://ftp.nerim.net stable Release
[11:57] <R0bNyc> Hit ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable Release
[11:57] <R0bNyc> Ign ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable Release
[11:57] <R0bNyc> Hit ftp://ftp.nerim.net testing Release
[11:57] <R0bNyc> Ign ftp://ftp.nerim.net testing Release
[11:57] <carthik> I I were a girl, i would flash for an answer
[11:57] <R0bNyc> Err http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Packages
[11:57] <R0bNyc>   Could not connect to us.archive.ubuntu.com:80 (216.165.129.138). - connect (111 Connection refused)
[11:57] <R0bNyc> Err http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/restricted Packages
[11:57] <R0bNyc>   Could not connect to us.archive.ubuntu.com:80 (216.165.129.138). - connect (111 Connection refused)
[11:57] <R0bNyc> Err http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Sources
[11:57] <R0bNyc>   Could not connect to us.archive.ubuntu.com:80 (216.165.129.138). - connect (111 Connection refused)
[11:57] <R0bNyc> Err http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/restricted Sources
[11:57] <R0bNyc>   Could not connect to us.archive.ubuntu.com:80 (216.165.129.138). - connect (111 Connection refused)
[11:57] <R0bNyc> Err http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe Packages
[11:57] <LinuxJones> ummm
[11:57] <R0bNyc>   Could not connect to us.archive.ubuntu.com:80 (216.165.129.138). - connect (111 Connection refused)
[11:57] <R0bNyc> Err http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe Sources
[11:57] <R0bNyc>   Could not connect to us.archive.ubuntu.com:80 (216.165.129.138). - connect (111 Connection refused)
[11:57] <R0bNyc> you see LinuxJones
[11:58] <error_29> jenz, this probably isn't what you meant by good reading -- I suppose you mean technical info on linux -- but this book helped me begin to tune into the spirit of *nix, open source and all that:  "Rebel Code" by Glyn Moody.  Great read.
[11:58] <goldfish> *SIGH*
[11:58] <LinuxJones> R0bNyc, don't flood here dude :)
[11:58] <goldfish> error_29: he left :)
[11:58] <R0bNyc> sorry
[11:58] <error_29> ah well, it's still a great read!
[11:58] <StoffBox-Steve> R0bNyc, try without us.  still work test it a few sec ago ... de.  runs too
[11:58] <error_29> for noobs like me anyway
[11:59] <fgx> i'd like to upgrade php on warty. did someone do it?