[12:01] $ nm -D /usr/lib/libwnck-1.so.16 | grep _wnck_read_icons [12:01] 00021847 T _wnck_read_icons [12:01] $ nm tmp/usr/lib/libwnck-1.so.16 | grep _wnck_read_icons [12:01] 000218e0 t _wnck_read_icons [12:01] [12:01] somebody understand the difference ? [12:01] http://www.xciv.org/~meta/Journal/2005/03/tune.png [12:01] ^-- hoary song [12:02] harsh [12:02] Kamion: this bad ? [12:02] seb128: in one case the symbol is local, in the other it's global [12:02] seb128: else i've nothing to say :) [12:02] actually the context is really tax, but :) === jlj [~agp@host-81-191-64-79.bluecom.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:02] any idea of what could make that change ? [12:03] seb128: link time visibility flags? [12:03] as jbailey says === T-None is really off [12:03] bye all [12:03] jbailey: that's libwnck package build one week ago and now [12:04] jbailey: any idea on what in the buildchain or whatever could do that ? [12:04] same source package [12:04] jbailey: have you changed something in cdbs to do that ? :p [12:04] seb128: Does it update libtool at buildtime? [12:05] nop [12:05] that's a cdbs gnome.mk [12:05] ie: ./configure && make [12:05] seb128: No, the only cdbs change in hoary was to add pitti's cdbs-edit-patch script. [12:05] k [12:05] seb128: Do you have both build logs? [12:06] http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/libw/libwnck/2.9.92.1-0ubuntu1/ [12:06] http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/libw/libwnck/2.10.0-0ubuntu1/ [12:06] [12:06] the only changes are translation between both [12:06] And by "same source package" you mean... [12:06] Ah. =) [12:06] rebuilding the first one today gives the same result as 2.10 [12:06] jbailey: everything that is not build-essential is fresh-installed each build === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:mdz] : Ubuntu Development | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-love for getting involved | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DeveloperResources | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryGoals | Kubuntu on #kubuntu-devel [12:08] Err -Wl,--export-dynamic was dropped from the LIBWNCK_LIBS configure line. === eruin [~eruin@eruin.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:09] $ grep LIBWNCK_LIBS libwnck_2.9.92.1-0ubuntu1_i386.build [12:09] checking LIBWNCK_LIBS... -lgtk-x11-2.0 -lgdk-x11-2.0 -latk-1.0 -lgdk_pixbuf-2.0 -lm -lpangoxft-1.0 -lpangox-1.0 -lpango-1.0 -lgobject-2.0 -lgmodule-2.0 -ldl -lglib-2.0 -lstartup-notification-1 [12:09] [12:09] just built on my box [12:10] something is doing that in the buildchain so [12:10] haggai: kdebase -ubuntu2 ftbfs [12:10] ld: cannot find -lxkbfile_pic [12:10] jbailey: where does it come from ? [12:10] Gimme a sec, I don't have deb-src lines on this box. [12:10] k [12:12] lamont: seen it, some nasty auto* stuff thanks [12:12] enjoy. :-( === psy__ [~psy@a80-126-83-214.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:18] ?! [12:18] :p === hsprang [~henning@c223084.adsl.hansenet.de] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [12:21] seb128: Looks like your problem is from gtk 2.6.3 to 2.6.4 [12:21] LIBWNCK_LIBS is provided by pkg-config for gtk. [12:21] Which seems like screwball naming of it to me. === froud-away [~froud@ndn-165-131-148.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:22] seb128: new langpacks built and uploaded, please inform me about any troubles [12:22] good night everybody === pitti falls asleep [12:22] g'n Martin. === sabdfl [~mark@host217-37-231-28.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:27] ./libtool: line 4696: /usr/bin/expr: Argument list too long [12:27] using piecewise archive linking... [12:27] now that's just precious. [12:27] jbailey??? ^^^ [12:27] ok. libtool would be Keybuk, not jbailey. nm [12:27] jbailey: oh [12:28] doko: fwiw, that's from gcc-4.0 [12:28] jbailey: gtk 2.6.4 has this change "* Move a lot of const data to the .rodata section [Matthias Clasen] " [12:28] jbailey: nothing to do with that ? [12:28] I don't think so [12:29] the changelog is pretty small [12:30] lamont: of all the things to blame on me, please not libtool. =) [12:30] seb128: Can you easily play with the two versions? It would be interesting to see the output from [12:31] pkg-config --libs "gtk+-2.0 >= 2.5.4 $STARTUP_NOTIFICATION_PACKAGE" [12:31] Err. Lesse what's in that variable. =) [12:31] am i the only person for whom firefox is just insanely slow right now? [12:31] lamont: do you still have the build? [12:32] jbailey: -lgtk-x11-2.0 -lgdk-x11-2.0 -latk-1.0 -lgdk_pixbuf-2.0 -lm -lpangoxft-1.0 -lpangox-1.0 -lpango-1.0 -lgobject-2.0 -lgmodule-2.0 -ldl -lglib-2.0 (2.6.4) [12:33] jbailey: -lgtk-x11-2.0 -lgdk-x11-2.0 -latk-1.0 -lgdk_pixbuf-2.0 -lm -lpangoxft-1.0 -lpangox-1.0 -lpango-1.0 -lgobject-2.0 -lgmodule-2.0 -ldl -lglib-2.0 (2.6.3) [12:33] doko: it's still running [12:34] jbailey: sorry still trying to overcome my lumping of *dbs in with autocrap/libstool. [12:34] :-) === moquist_ [~moquist@pool-68-237-140-207.man.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:34] seb128: Was that an accidental uparrow/Enter or was that from each version? [12:34] each version [12:34] pkg-config --libs "gtk+-2.0 >= 2.5.4" === Liblit [~liblit@byrd.cs.wisc.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:35] Lemme see what's in $STARTUP_NOTIFICATION_PACKAGE. [12:36] Oh look, libstartup-notification. =) [12:36] But it's the same version, so that's not where it's from. [12:37] pkg-config is the same. [12:37] hrm [12:37] $ grep export-dynamic /usr/lib/pkgconfig/*.pc [12:37] /usr/lib/pkgconfig/gmodule-2.0.pc:Libs: -L${libdir} -Wl,--export-dynamic -lgmodule-2.0 -ldl [12:38] jbailey: and glib2.0 has diff versions, too.. :-) (in seb128's nearly identical lines above...) [12:38] Does gtk automatically pull in glib? [12:38] Hmm. [12:38] I see that. [12:38] lamont: no, (2.6.3) (2.6.4) is from me [12:38] that's the gtk version :p [12:39] jbailey: oh ? === lamont bows out of the conversation, before he confuses more than himself [12:40] :) [12:40] seb128: How is libwnck breaking, are you getting linktime or runtime errors? [12:40] jbailey: it's not [12:40] jbailey: in fact, here is the issue [12:40] seb128: Are you cruising the ABIs for fun? =) [12:41] no [12:41] And you say I'm sick for enjoying hacking on glibc... ;) [12:41] lol [12:41] Removed: _wnck_pager_get_n_workspaces [12:41] Removed: _wnck_pager_get_workspace [12:41] Removed: _wnck_pager_get_workspace_name [12:41] [12:41] I've such changes in the nm -D output [12:41] there are private symboles right ? (starting by "_") [12:41] should not be an issue [12:41] but [12:42] (there is a but) [12:42] devilspie uses that to do its trick with the windows [12:42] so when I try to build it [12:42] vilspie-action-debug.o(.text+0x11d): In function `___1_devilspie_action_debug_run': [12:42] /tmp/devilspie-0.7/src/devilspie-action-debug.gob:18: undefined reference to `_wnck_atom_get' [12:42] devilspie-action-debug.o(.text+0x133):/tmp/devilspie-0.7/src/devilspie-action-debug.gob:18: undefined reference to `_wnck_get_string_property_latin1' [12:42] [12:42] etc [12:42] ooh [12:42] devilspie is evil [12:42] evil as the devil [12:42] dudes [12:42] I'm going to sleep [12:43] My Harrods story is finished. [12:43] night jordi [12:43] hi, I'd like to help, what can I do? [12:43] bug triage ? :) [12:44] epiphany has a lot of open bugs that are probly not an issue anymore >( [12:44] err [12:44] :) [12:44] jordi: look on your new package, evolution [12:44] shuddup seb [12:44] and then you can scream :p [12:48] seb128: Interesting. devilspie should never have linked. There's a linker regex in there that keeps these symbols from being included. [12:48] Whatever was providing that export and isn't now was exposing stuff the author intentionally marked as not. [12:49] seb128: If you're willing to play with libtool magic, try patching out the regex in libwnck/Makefile.am [12:49] k, thanks === Micksa [~mslade@203-217-18-166.perm.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:51] seb128: The right answer in the end is to get libwnck to export whatever functionlity devilspie needs. I suspect we won't make too many friends by overexposing the internals. [12:51] yeah [12:51] I think I've found the change [12:52] 2005-01-07 Matthias Clasen [12:52] * configure.in: [12:52] * Makefile.am: Generate and distribute gmodule-export-2.0.pc, [12:52] which is currently just a copy of gmodule-2.0.pc, but makes [12:52] it explicit that it adds --export-dynamic. [12:52] Oy yeah. [12:52] in glib [12:52] In a feeder project like glib, globally changing symbol handling is bad karma. =) [12:52] :) [12:56] bah, why is the volume control icon appearing permanently muted on this upgraded-from-warty install, but not in the fresh-hoary install on the same machine [12:56] is the volume level to 0 on the boot on the upgrade ? [12:56] Or maybe rights to the audio device. [12:56] I can't unmute it even if I try, I doubt it's that [12:57] nah, I'm in the audio group [12:57] is the sound working with aplay ? [12:57] and amixer [12:57] Ooo! you said fresh install! [12:57] Kamion: can you check something for me after? =) [12:58] not that fresh :) [12:58] but I'll be doing loads of fresh installs tomorrow [12:58] Kamion: 'kay. I uploaded an initrd-tools that I think should get the swappartition detection right for resume, but I don't know if it worked. === mroth [~mroth@mroth.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:59] I uploaded it.. Friday, I think. [01:00] amixer says [off] for everything, aplay doesn't complain but doesn't do anything useful either [01:00] Kamion: try to change the device in the gnome-volume control [01:00] app [01:01] aha! [01:01] thanks, that works :) [01:01] lamont and i had the same prob...we should have a bug to remember it for upgrade notes i guess [01:02] (or to solve it indeed) === doko [~doko___@dsl-082-082-189-223.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fgx [~fgx@host97-142.pool8248.interbusiness.it] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [01:13] Mithrandir: The `--enable' options recognized by software in the gas distribution are: [01:13] `--enable-targets=...' [01:13] This causes one or more specified configurations to be added to those for [01:13] which BFD support is compiled. Currently gas cannot use any format other [01:13] than its compiled-in default, so this option is not very useful. [01:14] so, cannot build lib32gcc1, until elmo builds an i486 assembler for ia64 ... === Clint- [~asdfasf@user-12hdtf4.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:14] ... is not very useful ... === Arrogance [~aks@CPE0050ba556e4b-CM001225423850.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:21] Hmm. I wonder if it's expected that failing to recover a suspend-to-disk leaves me without a usable swap signature. === srbaker [~srbaker@blk-222-52-156.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:26] Mithrandir: you were seeing lots of questions asked on xorg upgrade, right? [01:29] doko: thanks for your gsfonts upload [01:31] thom: Did we ever get round to uploading an acpi-support set which used the locking? [01:32] yeah, 0.19 [01:33] Rock [01:34] lots of upgrades today\ [01:34] nothing that looks like it will make firefox less of a CPU hog though :/ === Clint- is now known as Clint [01:36] zenwhen: ... [01:37] thom, upgrading from array 4 to current a couple days ago made firefox render and perform like a total pig. [01:37] zenwhen: stop powernowd and see if it still happens [01:38] ok [01:38] wow [01:38] that seems a lot faster [01:39] what the hell is powernowd? [01:39] if it isn't important, I might kiss you. [01:39] right, looks like kernel changes has made frequency scaling a lot more aggressive for some people [01:39] zenwhen: reduces clock speed when you're not using it [01:39] thom: did you see the bug about the ondemand governor in the kernel? [01:39] yep === jdub has been trying it -> pretty good [01:40] thom, wow... and it is enabled by default in hoary? [01:40] it's enabled by default in warty [01:40] and has been since day 0 pretty much [01:40] it must behave a bit differently in hoaryt [01:40] I never had this issue before now [01:40] like i said, i think it's a kernel change, but icbwe [01:41] thom: a *lot* more aggressive, it seems [01:41] uh, s/e$// [01:41] daniels: nod [01:42] Thanks a lot though [01:42] I suppose my bug I filed on firefox is fixed [01:45] :D [01:46] daniels: yes, it likes to speedstep my 3.2GHz cpu down to 400MHz if you let it ;-) [01:46] awesome [01:47] I get around it by editing /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq [01:47] /scaling_min_freq [01:49] thom: these reports of powernowd issues only started recently, much more recently than the most recent kernel update [01:50] I don't understand what changed [01:50] mdz: certainly powernow didn't, althought it maybe that it's able to control more cpus due to the way the fallback happens from detected to smi to the acpi controller === rjo [~jordens@rjo.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:51] thom: that stuff has been in for weeks/months too, though [01:51] these bug reports seem to have started rolling in about a week ago [01:52] mmm, ubuntu9 shouldn't have made many noticeable changes [01:52] thom: did acpi-support change? [01:52] i thought we disabled powernowd on desktops [01:53] if so, it got re-enabled at some point [01:53] no, we never disabled on desktops [01:53] mdz: I just filed comments on 5207 - dunno if we want to sync or not - I'll dig into it more tomorrow [01:54] (if you're not terribly averse to syncing it after reading the comments, that'd make my life much easier...) [01:54] daniels: powernowd is enabled on any system which supports scaling [01:54] which means it isn't enabled on very many desktops [01:55] mdz: er, most modern desktops [01:55] my athlonxp supported it, my a64 does [01:55] i believe p3s and p4s generally support it [01:55] lamont: what are the reverse build-deps? [01:55] I didn't know my P4 supported it until this week, but it did [01:55] my amd64 doesn't, but lots and lots of desktop chips do === rjo [~jordens@rjo.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:55] daniels: my athlon XP doesn't === r0ver [~rover@22-246-114-200.fibertel.com.ar] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [01:55] netpipe-mpich,libmpich1.0 [01:55] libpetsc2.2.0,libmpich1.0 [01:55] libluminate6,libmpich1.0 [01:55] illuminator-demo,libmpich1.0 [01:55] blacs-mpich-test,libmpich1.0 [01:55] mpich,libmpich1.0 1.2.5.3-1.1 [01:55] my laptop is the only machine here which does [01:56] which is to say, not much.... [01:56] out of 3 desktops and 2 laptops [01:57] mpich | mpich | python-scientific (Build-Depend) | Adam C. Powell, IV | 1109900 | 5540 [01:57] mdz: my desktop does scaling.. [01:57] my desktop has been scaling [01:58] without my permission [01:58] :( [01:58] zenwhen: it just assumes that you want to save power. === lamont goes to run errands with his daughter for a bit [01:58] which you do, don't you? [01:58] well it was destroying the performance of my system. [01:58] worth disabling it for desktops, via laptop-detect in postinst? [01:58] or are you one of those dolphin-killing types? [01:59] thom: I have no issue with it being enabled on my desktoip [01:59] I dont care how may trees have to burn to make my firefox faster. >:O [01:59] the current scaling is too aggressive, it scales too low and then takes too long to ramp back up [01:59] why run at 2.4GHz when 299MHz is enough... [01:59] mroth: What speed does it scale to? === lamont hadn't noticed [01:59] It made my system very crappy [01:59] lamont: yes, but you're used to ia64s === zul [~chuck@CPE0006258ec6c2-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:59] hey === wasabi_ [~wasabi@207.55.180.100] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:59] Now I am happy again [01:59] thom: heh [01:59] they're that slow anyway [01:59] actually, I'm used to ENORAM [01:59] You might want to make it a little less agressive before hoary goes final [01:59] mjg59: my P4 3.2GHZ scales down to 400MHz [01:59] If it's working on desktop CPUs, then the latency to speed up again may be increased [02:00] people are going to say ubuntu is slow [02:00] mroth: Eww. Sounds like throttling rather than frequency modulation. [02:00] its possible. [02:00] thom: We're still missing pointy-clicky ACPI enabling, right? [02:00] mjg59: nod [02:00] its especially noticeable when you first go to drag a window or whatnot, and get a lot of ghosting [02:01] mroth, I am right there with you [02:01] what chip and chipset? [02:01] thom: Is that something that's reasonable for final, or should we just document it in the release notes for now and think about enabling it by default in hoary+1? === Quarupt [~Quarupt@c-67-170-1-214.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:01] zenwhen: intel p4 3.2 on an asus mobo [02:01] On non-laptops, it might well make sense to keep the minimum speed higher [02:01] mroth, Intel 3.0Ghz P4, abit motherboard [02:02] Hrm. [02:02] Actually, we should probably never be loading cpufreq-clockmod [02:02] yeah, on my desktop, I'd want it to be MUCH less aggresive.. only scale down after 5 minutes or inactivity, rather than a few seconds [02:02] I just disabled it [02:02] Uh, p4-clockmod [02:02] :/ [02:03] p4-clockmod drops speed, but not frequency, so it does nothing of any great use to reduce power consumption [02:03] oh, right [02:03] thom: which signatures did you add in ubuntu9? [02:03] Mobile P4s ought to be using speedstep [02:03] ewh, thats no good then, not even reducing my power bill [02:03] that'd do it [02:03] aha [02:03] Intel\(R\)\ Pentium\(R\)\ 4\ CPU*) [02:03] MODULE=p4-clockmod$EXT;; [02:03] I mean speed but not power [02:03] The frequency drops [02:03] Wow, you are the guys who helped make Ubuntu? [02:03] And they're not designed to ramp up quickly [02:04] mdz: permission to revert for prerelease? [02:04] Quarupt: most of the developers hang out here, yeah [02:04] thom: Yeah, that one probably wants dropping [02:04] thom: yep [02:04] woohoo :-) [02:04] thom: Check that it does something different for mobile P4s [02:04] Well I just want o say thanks, cause Ubuntu is by far the best distro i have ever used :) [02:04] you're welcome :-) [02:05] Is there anything i can do to help? [02:05] I love how accessable and friendly you devs are. [02:05] I have allready handed out over 1000 copies of Warty at my Univ [02:05] Quarupt: right now we are preparing for the Hoary preview release on wednesday [02:05] What's the procedure for getting something added to the release notes? [02:05] getting my system to stop running like crap has made my night. [02:05] mjg59: yes, it does [02:05] :D [02:05] Quarupt: and we need as much installation and live CD testing as we can get [02:05] thom: Rock [02:05] Quarupt: watch out for ubuntu love days -> www.ubuntu.com/wiki/UbuntuLove [02:05] you guys need any log/config files on #7259, or is it 'nailed'? =) [02:05] bug triaging and squashing if you can too; stuff >= major is generally bad [02:06] will do [02:06] mroth: testing and uploading now [02:06] Oh, argh. Lack of suspend to disk scripts on PPC. [02:06] hey who is the Kubuntu guy(s) [02:06] mjg59: yeah; I thought I mentioned that to you the other day [02:06] #kubuntu-devel is the channel for the kubuntu guys [02:07] mjg59: pbbuttonsd doesn't have a "suspend to disk" command in its control interface, either [02:07] cause i think there should be a sys icon for updates in Kubuntu like in gtk, if possible [02:07] Kamion: Yeah - sorry, I've had no time whatsoever to do anything Ubuntu related (Gnome release stuff) [02:07] mjg59: nod [02:07] oh ok [02:07] Kamion: Feck. Hmm. [02:07] night all [02:07] Kamion: Is there a suspend to disk button on your machine? [02:07] mjg59: no separate button, but you can configure pbbuttonsd to suspend to disk on whatever actions you wnt [02:07] want [02:08] mjg59: well, unless you count the power button [02:08] Kamion: Ah - you can do it but there's no nice UI to let you select it? [02:08] mjg59: since my lid doesn't close properly, I prefer to keep the power button as s-t-r personally [02:08] mjg59: well, you still need to provide /etc/power/ scripts [02:08] Kamion: And s-t-r works nicely now? [02:08] s-t-r works fine, yeah [02:08] Kamion: Yeah. We actually basically want the x86 scripts, but with some cruft removed [02:08] mjg59: elmo said the current kernel killed his display hardware by permanently turning off the fans, though [02:09] so I'm a bit leery of running it permanently at the moment [02:09] Wurgh. Nothing to do with me, as far as I know. [02:09] dunno if it really is the kernel or just elmo's bad luck [02:09] Killed killed? On his powerbook? [02:09] yes, his powerbook still switches on but the display hardware is dead [02:09] wow, thats a frightening bug [02:10] They /are/ under software control, but I'm pretty sure there's hardware sanity override [02:10] he was using a second laptop as a terminal to it in Vancouver [02:10] could've been unrelated, I don't really know yet [02:10] where are ya guys based, do you have any physical offices or anything? [02:10] Quarupt: all over the place; most of us work from home [02:10] Quarupt: This is about as close as you get [02:10] mjg59: I'd think so too, but now I *am* remembering reading something about something similar happening on Apple hardware under another situation where something was software controlled without a hardware sanity [02:10] wha...what happened to elmo's laptop? [02:11] zul: AFAICT, display hardware is dead in the water [02:11] Quarupt: (those of us employed by Canonical, that is; there are lots of community hackers too) [02:11] I love the open source community, it just has a good feel [02:11] internal LCD doesn't work, neither does the TMDS transmitter [02:11] oh that really really sucks [02:11] was he under warranty? [02:11] so you're looking at GPU having burnt out or similar [02:11] mroth: think so, it was newish [02:11] mroth: Given that it was a replacement for one that got stolen last year, yeah [02:11] thats forunate [02:11] yeah, it was only bought in Septemberish [02:12] daniels: well at least he is vancouver [02:12] fortunate even [02:12] Ok, none of my patches seem to touch the code path [02:12] ubuntu10 uploaded, clockmod not loaded === jamesh [~james@203-59-84-124.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:12] elmo is vancouver? he looked smaller than that last time I saw him [02:12] Will the final Hoary installer hav an option of default window manager? If Kubuntu is stable by then? [02:12] y'all will want to unload p4-clockmod and restart powernowd; or just reboot [02:13] Quarupt: if you install Kubuntu, you will get KDE, Ubuntu, Gnome [02:13] or will it continue to use Gnome? [02:13] thom: when package hits archive i'll reboot and make sure it fixes itself by default [02:13] Erp. [02:13] Oh so they are like seperate Distro's? [02:13] mroth: cool, thanks [02:13] and you can of course switch using synaptic any time [02:13] That means I used to live inside elmo. [02:13] like === sabdfl [~mark@host217-37-231-28.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [02:13] jbailey: now there's a scary thought for you [02:14] but why make a different distro just wor a different WM? [02:14] Quarupt: KDE and GNOME are not window managers [02:14] s/wor/for [02:14] sorry desktop enviroments [02:14] Quarupt: the distro itself is not hugely different, but the packages chosen for the default install and livecd are [02:14] whatever [02:14] there are many reasons why it makes sense to keep them separate [02:15] but the live cd is just a modified Morphix isnt it? [02:15] there is a lot of work which goes into integrating the system nicely with the desktop environment [02:15] and there isn't enough space on a single CD to fit both [02:15] Kamion: the evils of fast food, eh? :\ that and Krispy Kreme, I assume [02:15] Quarupt: doing this means we can have really incredibly cool GNOME version and really incredibly cool KDE version, both optimised for their users [02:15] Quarupt: the Ubuntu 4.10 live CD was based on Morphix; the Hoary live CD is a new creation [02:15] Oh [02:15] Kamion: Well, I guess we'll find out whether it kills hardware in a couple of days :) [02:15] hrm, I think i will dl the new live cd, i just have the warty one [02:15] Quarupt: but sharing the same underlying OS, so they both benefit from enhancements underneath [02:15] mako: Around? [02:16] mjg59: you getting a powerbook? [02:16] Kamion: No, people will be installing preview [02:16] mjg59: do not be tempted! [02:16] Asking all these dumb questions is just holding you guys back from your work im sorry [02:16] mjg59: oh right :) [02:16] i dunno how to do this on our website, [02:17] lamont: is amarok finished churning so that you can add that dep-wait? [02:17] is OOo 2.0 on schedule to be out in time for someone in MOTU to sync it for hoary? [02:17] www.gnome.org + planet.gnome.org [02:17] This is so cool, this is why open source rules, not like i could go into #windows and talk to the actual developers [02:17] but i think it's pretty important [02:17] lamont: ping [02:18] seb128: How can I make a patch for ubuntu? I only know the cvs diff -up > 123456.patch command for the gnome sources... [02:18] I can't wait untill all software patents are gone [02:18] but anyways im switching back to gnome [02:18] Quarupt: you are going to be waiting for a while [02:18] hey, is there some ETA on the ability to edit the gnome menu being added again? [02:18] thierry: basically the same [02:19] seb128: so I go in the directory and do cvs diff -up > 123456.patch ? [02:19] no [02:19] will Hoary release with the gnome menu still being static and unchangable by the user? [02:19] the package doesn't use cvs [02:19] zenwhen: yes === E|J [~Elijah@132.161.142.182] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:19] zenwhen: (unless you edit files in ~/.local, as per the menu spec) [02:19] thierry: diff between the source package and your copy modifier [02:19] modified [02:19] jdub, why was such a step backwards taken? [02:20] that discussion again ? [02:20] please read the list archives [02:20] zenwhen: menu editing was never a supported feature anyway [02:20] please not again [02:20] seb128: ok... could you show me a command example of this? [02:20] thierry: man diff === Quarupt [~Quarupt@c-67-170-1-214.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:20] jdub: oh well. It seems like a huge loss to me. [02:20] thierry: diff -ur dir1 dir2 [02:21] Is there anyway i could get on some kinda list so i can get one of the first Hoary cd's when it goes final? [02:21] zenwhen: I think it's recognised that it's a desirable feature. However, no workable mechanism was presented for 2.10, so it's not there. With luck, we'll have a solution for 2.12. [02:21] zenwhen: desktop apps provide a menu entry so that should not be needed [02:22] zenwhen: would be nice to have but there is no such editor for GNOME atm [02:23] I sometimes add applkications that arent installed by apt to the menu. I suppose I am not big on change that limits my ability to do things they way i am used to. I am sure I will adjust. [02:23] applications* [02:23] Quarupt: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/shipit has some stuff about Hoary CDs [02:23] cool [02:23] also [02:23] apt doesn't install anything to menus [02:24] can i sell Ubuntu for the exact price of a blank CD so i can keep distributing them? [02:24] kind of deprecated if you got the CDs from us for free :-) [02:24] There are getting pretty popular at my Univ, one of the labs might even deploy em on some machines for testing [02:25] well yea but you guys only send me like 50 at a time [02:25] but if you burn them yourself, there shouldn't be anything wrong with that; obviously check the various licensing conditions for things like the requirements on providing source [02:25] I am distrubuting almost 100 a week at my school [02:25] seb128: with diff -ur dir1 dir2, where is supposed to be the patch after that? [02:25] I once gave an ubuntu disk set to a girl and she fell in love with me and we had babies. [02:26] Well, I did give her a disk set. [02:26] thierry: on standard output; if you want it in a file, do 'diff -ur dir1 dir2 > file' [02:26] You guys will never sell out like RH or Suse will ya? [02:26] :/ [02:26] Quarupt: you can have as many as you can give away :-) === E|J [~Elijah@132.161.142.182] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [02:26] Quarupt: it is permissible to burn CDs and sell them at any price, of course [02:26] Cause i really feel like i finally found a distro with a good community that i can back 100% [02:26] Quarupt: but it's preferable to distribute the pressed CDs, because they have a much lower failure rate [02:27] haggai: amarok build kicked [02:27] true [02:27] Quarupt: where do you live? [02:27] haggai: tell me that kdebase is really already in the archive? [02:27] lamont: thanks [02:27] but i doubt you guys would send me over 1000 cd's a month [02:27] Washington [02:27] US [02:27] Quarupt: going to local LUGs is good [02:27] lamont: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/k/kdebase/4:3.4.0-0pre1ubuntu4/ [02:27] I am a CS major at Western Washington Univ [02:27] lamont: it built nearly an hour ago, so I should hope so [02:27] haggai: saw the build failure on -ubuntu2, didn't see the amarok build finish (was just looking at main), got distracted. my bad [02:27] Quarupt: plus, you could start a LoCo team [02:27] mdz: coolness [02:27] jdub: I am afraid I am going to have to ask you to slow development so I dont get left behind on my dialup connection. [02:28] Quarupt: In Bellingham? [02:28] it is only fair [02:28] Quarupt: heh, I think I know someone on your network staff there [02:28] :P [02:28] Quarupt: How do you find people to give 1000 CD's a month to there? =) [02:28] Yea, but i am only just now learning C and Java [02:28] seb128: is it normal that the .patch file I'm getting isn't looking like the .patch files I got with cvs diff -up > 123456.patch ? [02:28] I set up an open source kiosk [02:28] in the main hall [02:28] there aren't much more than 1000 people in Bellingham ;-) [02:28] thierry: what do you mean ? [02:28] with info on the open source movement [02:28] anything more before I run to the feed store? [02:29] Many students take 5 or 10 cd's for family and friends [02:29] we have gone to WASu Eastern even some local community colleges [02:30] We used to distribute Sarge and SID but after we found Ubuntu we switched after 2 days of testing [02:30] I wanna go down to seattle some time and set up my lil open source Kiosk [02:30] Kamion: I'll look into making pbuttonsd do useful stuff for suspend to disk [02:30] Maybe even redmond, just to be ironic ;) [02:30] seb128, forget it, my fault... === lamont bbiah [02:31] mjg59: coooooooool, thanks [02:32] Anyays guys keep up the good work, im sure you guys are on your way to making one of the most world recognized Distro's since RH [02:33] Kamion: Of course, I'm hampered by not having any hardware with a pmu... [02:33] Anyone will to work with me for a lil bit to work on this prob i have been having? [02:33] jdub, maybe? [02:33] mjg59: i have a jpeg of that oops if you are interested [02:33] calc: Oh, yeah [02:33] calc: URL? === calc uploads it to his server === thully [~thully@209.sub-166-155-169.myvzw.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:35] Kamion: http://pbbuttons.sourceforge.net/projects/powerprefs/gfx/pp-sleeplocks-o.png is the UI in question? [02:35] lamont: thanks [02:38] mjg59: I haven't used powerprefs much ... [02:38] Kamion: Is that the GUI you were talking about, or is there another one for config? [02:40] jdubtv! -> http://node.waugh.id.au/ === sladen [paul@starsky.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:40] rock! [02:41] connection refused [02:41] oh [02:41] jdubtv! -> http://node.waugh.id.au:8800/ === Riddell [jr@muse.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:41] oh i tried 8080 [02:43] jdub: er.. what app should that be opened in? [02:43] totem [02:43] seb128, I want to make .patch for the ubuntu firefox package... any idea? The problem is that I have the source changed for ubuntu, the .diff of the changes and the orginal source... I did the changes to the ubuntu source. Now what are my two directory to make my .patch with diff? [02:44] do i want to watch battlestar, or jdub dancing? [02:44] good jdub [02:44] quite synced, id say [02:44] pants, of course [02:44] i think the answer is simple...jdub of course [02:44] PANTS OFF [02:45] thierry: I don't get what you say but basically: apt-get source package && cp package package1 && make your changes in package 1 && diff -ur package package1 [02:45] the framerate is pretty nice [02:46] mjg59: did I mention a GUI? [02:47] 01:07 < Kamion> mjg59: no separate button, but you can configure pbbuttonsd to suspend to disk on whatever actions you wnt [02:47] jdub: what app are you using for the actual streaming? [02:47] mjg59: oh, I meant in pbbuttonsd.conf. there might be a GUI, I'm not sure ... [02:47] seb128: ok [02:49] Kamion: Ah, I see what you mean [02:49] mjg59: pbbuttonsd doesn't have a suspend to disk command in its control interface, either [02:49] Which control interface? [02:49] mdz: so do you care which locale I pick to be artifically always supported in order to pull in language-{pack,support}-en [02:49] mjg59: oh, I meant pbbcmd [02:50] TAG_GOTOSLEEP command config [02:50] Trigger sleep mode. [02:50] Kamion: Ah, right [02:50] that's s-t-r [02:50] and it's what powermanagement-interface uses [02:50] but there's no s-t-d equivalent, as far as I can see [02:50] Kamion: nope [02:50] en_US.UTF-8 it is then [02:50] Kamion: Ok, that may be fixable [02:51] mroth: flumotion [02:52] has there been much talk of Xen in Ubuntu? updated packages possibly? I've been messing around with it a bit lately [02:54] mjg59: hey dude [02:54] mjg59: was eating dinner [02:54] mako: What's the procedure for getting stuff in the release notes? [02:54] mjg59: the release notes are being done by the docteam [02:54] It would be good to note that suspend to RAM is disabled by default, how to enable it and note that it won't work everywhere [02:55] mjg59: write up what you want in there and email it to ubuntu-doc@l.d.o i guess is the best way [02:56] mako: l.d.o? Really? [02:56] mjg59/ Kamion: what elmo said to be was basically that either s-t-r or s-t-d would work, but almost never both on the same ppc system; if you set sleep as s-t-d, tag_gotosleep will give you s-t-d [02:56] thom: Oh, bongtastic. I'll look at that. [02:57] which is why pmi capabilities is as crack as it is [02:57] I'll see if I can fix that up in pbbuttons [02:58] Hey, can anyone tell me what ports the remote desktop app use? [02:58] thom: Hrm. I can't actually see any code to do that. [02:58] and why we cant choose a port [02:58] GOTOSLEEP always seems to do TORAM [02:59] huh, the docs suggest otherwise [02:59] or, my memory of them does [02:59] case TAG_GOTOSLEEP: [02:59] if (cfgure) power_suspend (ACTION_TORAM); === wasabi [~wasabi@c-24-1-61-51.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:59] No one seems yo know what ports i need to forward for remote desktop to work [02:59] Quarupt: You're better off asking on #ubuntu [03:00] i did [03:00] I thought maybe you guys would know if they didnt [03:00] Quarupt: or you could check google [03:00] This is more a development discussion channel [03:00] not so much tech support [03:00] thom: There is code to do disk suspend in there, but no obvious way of calling it from pbcmd (or whatever) [03:00] sorry [03:01] Though many times you cna get an answer :P [03:01] can* [03:01] huh [03:01] Hmm. ANy consideration been given to EVMS support in the ubuntu installer? [03:01] mjg59: irritating [03:01] thom: That's easy enough to fix, though [03:01] mjg59: ergh [03:01] mjg59: you know what i mean :) [03:02] mjg59: truth === thom hugs libnss-mdns once more [03:02] yes, it means i use evil and non-free software to do local resolving [03:02] but boy does it kick ass [03:02] hehe [03:04] wasabi: we've talked about it, and I think it'd rock, but nobody's dedicated any time to it [03:04] I'd love to have the default partitioning be LVM of some flavour [03:04] there's a partman-auto-lvm package that Anton wrote in Oldenburg, but I don't know its current status === Sparhawk_ [~sparhawk@c-24-14-121-93.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:08] seb128: when I do a diff to create a patch, I get a french output at the end : Seulement dans mozilla-firefox-1.0+dfsg.1/profile/defaults: bookmarks.html~ do I keep it? [03:08] Yeah. I saw the LVM support in the installer. [03:08] I *love* it. [03:08] it's so intelligent, how it lays out the LVM partitions, in teh same view, etc [03:08] thierry: as you want, it's not useful [03:08] It's just got the "this was done right" feeling to it. [03:09] Could someone on PPC see if http://www.codon.org.uk/~mjg59/tmp/pb.diff builds? [03:09] k [03:11] mjg59: building now === wasabi_ [~wasabi@c-24-1-61-51.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:14] wasabi_: yeah, it's nice; there are definitely internal improvements that could be made to it, and the way the "configure LVM" bit is disconnected from everything else is suboptimal, but it's a good start [03:14] mjg59: Starting pbbuttonsd: pbbuttonsd 0.6.6: iBook/G3 PB Pismo/G4 PB Titanium (PMU version: 12) [03:14] it even runs [03:14] although it thinks my dual g4 desktop is a powerbook [03:14] thom: Does doing pbcmd TAG_GOTODISK do anything? [03:14] pbbcmd [03:14] mjg59: can't test, not supported [03:15] (desktop system) [03:16] mjg59: however: [03:16] Mar 8 02:11:01 localhost pbbuttonsd: INFO: Script '/etc/power/pmcs-pbbuttonsd suspend ac disk' launched and exited normally [03:16] kick ass [03:17] mjg59: also, fwiw the cmdline is "pbbcmd config TAG_GOTODISK 1" [03:19] thom: Rock. So we just need that patch and a script there that supports that. [03:19] yah [03:19] thom: The script probably just wants to be the x86 suspend to disk one, except without the fiddling of /sys/power/disk and without any of the video stuff === lamont returns [03:20] mako: My post is being held for moderation - any chance of clearing it through? [03:20] thom: testing clean boot after update to powernowd10... looks like powernowd was not enabled at boot now [03:21] yep looks good [03:21] mroth: rock, thanks for testing [03:21] mroth@shadowfax:~ $ sudo /etc/init.d/powernowd start [03:21] This processor "Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.20GHz" is known _not_ to support power-saving. [03:21] * Starting powernowd... [03:21] * CPU frequency scaling not supported [ ok ] [03:21] mjg59: i'm not a moderator.. let me see if i know the password [03:22] thom: thanks for fixing ;-) [03:22] mjg59: grr.. hmm. [03:22] jdub [03:22] thom: what if I _want_ scaling on my desktop? [03:23] sent a patch to ubuntu bug 3176 (branding)... If anyone want to check [03:23] good night [03:23] mako: hmm? [03:23] mjg59: which list? [03:23] lamont: set FREQDRIVER to p4-clockmod in /etc/default/powernowd [03:24] ok [03:24] jdub: ubuntu-doc [03:24] based on what was said in here earlier though, p4-clockmod doesnt actually provide power savings, correct? [03:25] p4-clockmod actually degrades performance in some cases in my experience [03:26] tseng: I was partially just playing devils advocate... [03:26] heh [03:27] (i was just pointing out that it's still doable) [03:27] tseng: see - thom knows me... [03:28] :-) [03:28] release a special "nostalgia" version of ubuntu with p4-clockmod set to a static max of 233MHz [03:28] for those who pine for the good ole days [03:28] mroth: that fast?? [03:28] nah, 4.77MHz [03:28] Ubuntu XT [03:28] mroth: It provides some power savings, but not a lot [03:28] heh, anything less i dont think people would get past the login screen [03:29] jdub: ubuntu doc [03:29] jdub: so about ubuntu-doc [03:29] jdub: the moderator basically resigned [03:29] jdub: from the project. not from the list (apprently) [03:29] thom: Ph33r my power management skills in providing functionality on hardware I don't own [03:29] heh [03:30] If that could be included, it would be great. The GUI stuff probably needs updating as well, but that's not a great pain. [03:30] And then it just needs the script. [03:30] Kamion: xt > xp [03:30] mjg59: i'll sneak it in after preview [03:30] thom: Rocking [03:31] thom: Then we just need a GUI for x86... [03:33] thom: Oh, suspend to disk should be supported on desktops. Dunno about SMP, though. [03:34] mako: uh huh [03:34] mjg59: i think benh said that pmu support on desktop ppc was minimal to non-existant [03:34] thom: suspend-to-disk doesn't use pmu [03:34] mjg59: not at all? [03:34] It's just swsusp [03:34] huh, ok [03:35] There's only a tiny amount of ppc code, the rest is platform-generic [03:35] my desktop has a s-t-d option on logout screen, I havent been brave enough to test it yet... should I? [03:35] mroth: Give it a go [03:35] FOR SCIENCE! [03:35] No idea what it'll do :) [03:35] (my uptime is really taking a beating today) [03:35] Make sure that RESUME is set in /etc/mkinitrd/mkinitrd.conf [03:35] If it isn't, set it and generate a new initrd (then reboot) [03:36] daniels: haha [03:36] mako: so... who should be admin? [03:36] mjg59: its not currently set in mkinitrd. which means that the logout menu probably should be hacked to not show me the s-t-d option, no? === Kamion sets off lots of CD image rsyncs for use tomorrow, and goes to bed === thom really -> sleep as i've been threatening for the last hour [03:37] thom: night [03:37] Kamion: night [03:37] jdub: enrico if he wants it.. else maybe froud or trickie [03:37] mroth: Probably, yeah [03:38] mroth: We'll worry about that after preview :) [03:40] Setting up libgnome2-common (2.10.0-0ubuntu1) ... <-- now I know four hours is too long for this. [03:41] (everybody knows already, just comic relief, moving on. . .) [03:42] bluefoxicy: Most of the Gnome 2.10 tarballs have been uploaded [03:43] mjg59: yeah it's just hanging on about 5 or 6 packages now when configuring them [03:43] it literally does nothing [03:43] but I ahve an unkillable process ATM so it may be fucked kernel state. [03:43] bluefoxicy: Oh, I see what you mean === bluefoxicy doesn't want to reboot. [03:43] eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:E0:7D:78:CF:05 [03:43] RX bytes:3175903291 (2.9 GiB) TX bytes:1705823287 (1.5 GiB) [03:43] As you can see, I don't reboot much :) [03:43] mjg59: having resume= on the kernel command line isn't enough? === wasabi [~wasabi@c-24-1-61-51.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:44] WTH is nano a preferred alternative over vim?? [03:44] bob2: That's also adequate [03:45] lamont: For non-unix people, nano is massively preferable to vim [03:45] mjg59: yeah, but it meant I finally had to figure out how to run update-alternatives.. :-) [03:47] bluefoxicy: that counter is crap anyway, it wraps too readily [03:48] I wrap 4gb every couple of days [03:48] that's not an impressive uptimometer [03:48] RX bytes:9469925605 (8.8 GiB) TX bytes:6379688640 (5.9 GiB) [03:48] bob2: you need bigger hardware [03:48] lamont: no matter what hardware you have, the TX meter won't represent ~7TB [03:49] upgrading to 2.10 right now for testing - [03:49] lamont: haha [03:49] daniels: really? [03:49] lamont: not AFAIK [03:49] Oh, man, don't say that sort of thing to lamont [03:49] i resorted to looking at how many bytes had passed the OUTPUT table [03:49] He'll pull some hppa thing out from somewhere [03:50] mjg59: heh [03:50] as long as he gives it to me, it's all good [03:50] it's not a 64-bit counter on 64-bit arches? [03:50] that seems stupid [03:50] 7TB is only 7*2^40 - there's still 8 orders of magnitude left === bluefoxicy [~bluefox@pcp484848pcs.whtmrs01.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:58] reboot fixed it. === deeznutz [~KFritzs@cpe-069-133-045-124.cinci.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:59] hey all... anyone got time to help me with a modprobe question? === deeznutz [~KFritzs@cpe-069-133-045-124.cinci.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [04:00] Kamion: awake? [04:02] somehow I didn't think so [04:02] mdz: where does passwd.config live? [04:02] lamont: in the passwd package [04:03] doh [04:05] lamont: can you dep-wait amarok on kdemultimedia 4:3.4.0-0pre1ubuntu1? === macewan [~macewan@ip68-101-19-222.nc.hr.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:06] mdz: done [04:06] thanks [04:06] _bc-py.c:8:20: Python.h: No such file or directory [04:06] beecrypt needs love [04:07] Nice work on 2.10 [04:15] Hi. Can someone think up a better name than "System Health Information Terminal" for me? I'll have a pastebin in a second. [04:16] S.H.I.T.? [04:16] hah! [04:16] lmao [04:16] its true [04:16] what does Needs-Build mean in buildLogs/Lists? [04:16] call it SHIT man [04:17] gimme about 15-20 minutes [04:17] nono even better [04:17] "the SHIT" [04:17] I was looking at the smartmontools integration post and had a "better" idea on the same lines === tritium [~tritium@12-202-89-11.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:20] which one of you wites all the howto's and stuff thats on the wiki page? [04:20] or is it allot of people who do it? [04:28] mdz: I'm planning on a postfix upload after preview, to close #2683, #6232. [04:28] Riddell: pretty much what it says; there is a new source version available and it needs to be built [04:28] afaik [04:28] btw, what's the process for post-preview, anyway? [04:28] lamont: ok [04:28] post-preview is going to be pretty much like FeatureFreeze, at least to start [04:28] we'll likely be rushing to fix new stuff that's uncovered by preview [04:29] ok. then eventually it becomes "as for a blessing from mdz/jdub for every upload" I expect? [04:29] when we get close to the release candidate, yes, we'll be more strict [04:29] woot [04:30] Quarupt: there are a lot of people who have written howtos in the wiki [04:30] ok [04:33] Uh. It turns out that it's policy for the release notes not to refer to other documentation, because it might move. === mjg59 boggles slightly [04:36] mdz: some of the sound problems we are seeing might be if they have a slmodem isntalled as well, i need to verify it, just a theory though [04:37] sound cards that use snd_intel8x0 [04:41] ok [04:41] http://rafb.net/paste/results/caaUvh34.html <-- System Health Information Terminal [04:42] zul: bug #2011? [04:42] taht's just a rough outline idea, and of course some things are obviously just "to give an idea," i.e. Ubuntu doesn't use PaX/GrSec (possibly in the future?) or supply "Firewall modules" [04:42] mdz: 6810 [04:43] think I should fire it at ubuntu-devel@ and see what the ML thinks? [04:43] zul: it shouldn't be a problem with jdthood's changes to use a higher index for that driver [04:43] there was talk about coding a Gnome applet or task tray thingy to give feedback based on smartmontools, so maybe a more complete attack on system health monitoring would also be good to consider [04:44] mdz: ok just a theory though [04:45] because i have snd_intel8x10 and i dont have a problem but i dont have a modem === bluefoxicy decides to bug ubuntu-devel@ with it. [04:49] anyways im off to bed [04:55] lamont: what's the expected lag time for the retry of amarok to happen, now that kdemultimedia has built? [04:56] lamont: does kdemultimedia need to be Installed first? [04:56] it will free up in the cron.daily run that installs kdemultimedia [04:56] (no autobuilding of accepted here...) [04:59] anyone ever tried to use wine with dreamweaver? [05:00] lamont: so kdemultimedia installed at :03, amarok installed at :33? [05:00] assuming that it builds in < 20 minutes, yes [05:00] (assuming it succeeds) [05:00] it built in less than 20m on my desktop, so I should hope so [05:01] installed at :03, amarok build begins < 5 min later. must be done and signed by :29 to meet the :00 cron.hourly === OddAbe19 [~OddAbe19@pcp02542642pcs.lncstr01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:06] night === thully [~thully@115.sub-166-155-182.myvzw.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:08] ogra: night [05:17] doko: ok, so ia32-libs should make a lib32gcc1 package on ia64. [05:18] daniels: correct [05:19] Mithrandir: cool. think I've got a fixed package for you. [05:19] daniels: rock. Can it wait for a few hours so I don't wake Karianne? [05:19] it's 05:19 here atm, but I couldn't sleep. [05:20] Mithrandir: sure :) === lamont considers just turning off the livecd build attempts on ia64 for a while === cybrjackle [~justin@CPE-65-28-47-173.kc.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:28] morning [05:28] How come gnome-2.10 packages are in hoary if gnome-2.10 isn't release yet? [05:28] daniels: ping [05:29] pong [05:29] daniels: i think there is a bug in xorg 6.8.2 that is a regression on 6.8.1 [05:30] lamont: hmm, amarok doesn't seem to be Building yet [05:30] the lib that pass the video info (size) to players is broken somehow [05:30] cybrjackle: because hoary is taking risks... [05:30] mdz: grumble [05:30] but i need to investigate it more [05:30] fabbione: libXv? [05:31] seems to work ok here ... [05:31] thx lamont [05:31] daniels: can you try it on a dual head + xinerama? === stuNNed [~stuNNed@stunned.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:31] thnx for your diligent work fixing teh xorg issues :D [05:31] daniels: i get the problem when i go full screen with xv [05:32] mplayer gets a really distorted image [05:32] it is like half of the movie goes out of screen === Benoni [~liblit@ppp-68-249-85-169.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:32] it seems like it tries to scale the movie to both heads, but plays only on one screen [05:32] hence half movie [05:33] fabbione: oh, a Xinerama issue? [05:33] fabbione: not right at the moment [05:33] What's a good way for a configure script to identify that it is running on Ubuntu, and to further identify the specific Ubuntu release (e.g. Hoary)? [05:33] but I'll check it out for you [05:34] mdz: Mar 8 04:05:04 buildd-mail: kdemultimedia must be manually dinstall-ed -- delayed [05:34] ENOEMLO [05:34] daniels: just let me know if you can reproduce it [05:34] Benoni: /etc/lsb-release [05:34] fabbione: sure [05:34] daniels: i think it is a combinantion actually. not only xinerama [05:34] er, ENOELMO, ENEW [05:34] incidentally, it also looks like kde 3.4 is going in at the same time [05:35] mdz: Sweet. Looks like exactly what I needed. Thanks! [05:35] cybrjackle: those 2.10 packages are the current release candidates, iirc. but I really don't know. [05:35] no elmo? [05:35] thats what i was thinking since ftp.gnome.org is still at 2.9.91 [05:36] well, one side benefit of KDE packages going in main the issues with not having a more advanced cd burning app are partially solved by having k3b there [05:36] lamont: I am a virtual elmo [05:36] mdz: that helsp [05:36] thully: kde libs have been there since warty [05:36] oh, you mean in main [05:36] yes - in main [05:37] What about graveman? [05:37] isn't that universe? [05:37] lamont: ACCEPTed [05:37] I looked at the newly-built set of DVD images, and it looks like they don't include KDE except for libs. Why? [05:37] mdz: through the wonders of cron.daily love, you can speed things up by 25 minutes or so... [05:38] thully: because we don't build Kubuntu DVDs yet [05:38] yes, but I thought those DVDs were supposed to contain all of main [05:38] mdz: I thought the plan was to have the DVD's include all of main, no? [05:39] It would be nice to have an "everything DVD" for the release, with all of main (with KDE) and a KDE/GNOME live image [05:39] they use the Ubuntu germinate output [05:39] and they are to include all of Ubuntu supported, which is not the same as main at this point [05:40] we'll have to figure out what this means for the DVD [05:40] ah, ok [05:40] lamont: (we get the gnome tarballs as they're released - there just hasn't been an official aggregate release yet.) [05:40] so, so the KDE packages aren't supported? Does that just refer to commercial support, or bug reports as well [05:40] jdub: ah, even better than I'd kinda thought [05:40] lamont: I am not going to tempt fate by messing with cron.daily [05:41] thully: there is Ubuntu-supported, and Kubuntu-supported [05:41] mdz: kubuntu livecd rootfs is b0rked, but I expect you knew that [05:41] lamont: no, I didn't. why? [05:42] lamont: can we have those logs published somewhere automagically? [05:42] oh - well, I thought Ubuntu and Kubuntu were the same distro, just with a different selection of packages (as they share the same repos, and website) [05:42] thully: they are different distributions [05:43] hmm... find your keyboard layout by pressing some keys sounds interesting [05:43] mine isn't in the list. I have a canadian bilingual [05:44] you people actually deployed that thing in the array 6 installer? o.O === bluefoxicy guesses it's an untested concept and it might, MIGHT actually prove to be not so annoying yet very helpful for nontechnical users who for some odd reason have a non-standard keyboard === tritium [~tritium@12-202-89-11.client.insightBB.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [05:45] bluefoxicy: that's not a particularly diplomatic or positive way to ask your question [05:45] jdub: it wasn't meant to be. [05:45] Like the Device Manager Hardware Database thingy. Nice. [05:45] it was a highly opinionated comment [05:45] bluefoxicy: then you should probably leave, and come back when you're ready to play nice. [05:49] dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/ksvg_4%3a3.3.2-1ubuntu4_i386.deb (--unpack): [05:49] trying to overwrite `/usr/share/mimelnk/image/svg-xml.desktop', which is also in package kdelibs-data [05:50] lamont: Riddell has gone to sleep, and amu isn't awake yet [05:51] mdz: they're available in-LAN, but that's all right now... [05:51] lamont: what are? [05:51] oh, the los [05:51] I can work on making them published tomorrow [05:51] logs [05:51] build logs [05:51] lamont: did that run just recently? [05:52] http:///~buildd/livecd/*ubuntu/latest/*.out :-( [05:52] 04:15 is the kubuntu runtime [05:52] is now 04:52 [05:52] I guess it has most of the latest stuff, then [05:52] yeah -probably just a missing replaces or 4 [05:52] (4 pkgs had errors) [05:52] KDE likes to move things around between releases [05:53] more fun that way, eh? [05:53] Riddell did upload a new kdegraphics [05:54] so that will probably avoid this issue and let us get a rootfs built [05:54] but please file a bug so they can fix it tomorrow [05:54] mdz: I'll file a bug with all the errors [05:54] been thinking... [05:55] once the new kdegraphics builds, we can retry it [05:55] http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/k/kdegraphics/4:3.4.0-0pre1ubuntu1/ [05:55] or not [05:55] with all seb128's uploads today, the livecd tomorrow is going to be nearly a full download anyway... do we want to toss amd64 to the wolves now? (well, OK maybe not that big a change, overall...) [05:56] lamont: thanks for the xpdf hint [05:56] really depends on how much the binaries changed between the two releases [05:56] Mithrandir: looking at that more, I don't know if it'll help... just need to s/int/long/ in those two variables... [05:56] but it looked like it was passing an int in a pointer, not the otherway around [05:57] could be something in a called lib with the same error, though [05:57] yeah, I did the trivial fix and we'll see if that helps. [05:57] lamont: sure, tonight's probably as good a night as any [05:57] ok. tanking away then. === rjo [~jordens@rjo.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:58] last chance to say 'no' [05:58] well, ok. it isn't really, but I don't want to have to copy it back in... [05:59] gone [05:59] (which is to say, amd64 will get a brand new, virgin rootfs image, and therefore not rsync very well at all tomorrow.) [06:00] lamont: let them burn, poor amd64 users. Or something. A clean rootfs would be nice for preview anyhow. [06:00] yeah [06:00] Mithrandir: if you want both worlds, get me a working partimage :-) [06:01] I guess that goes in the "nontrivial to fix" category? [06:01] uh, yeah [06:01] partimage believes in sizeof(long)==sizeof(ptr)==4, quite strongly [06:02] it says ./dists/hoary/main/binary-i386/Packages failed the MD5 checksum [06:02] whoever invented CD-Rs needs to be shot with the intar [06:02] mdz: you want that filed against livecd? I assume? [06:03] lamont: no, against the package at fault [06:03] lamont: you can use the 32 bit version for making the fs, though that's horribly ugly. [06:03] mdz: right [06:03] it'll break for upgraders too, I assume [06:03] wyh are cd-rs so fragile, and is there a way to deal with this error [06:03] Mithrandir: I'm not going to create a while i386 chroot on the beast just to do that [06:03] bluefoxicy: slower speed? [06:03] lamont: understandably. [06:04] GAH, amarok failed again [06:04] lamont: it was already burned at 1x [06:04] ah, it got the old kdemultimedia again === rjo [~jordens@rjo.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:04] mdz: pay no attention to amarok for a minute [06:04] lamont: also the only system iwth a CD R there is now blank and needs to be installed [06:04] no CDs can be burned until then. [06:04] amarok is what I am waiting for so that I can bring it into main and update kubuntu-meta [06:05] yeah - I made an assumption about kdemultimedia and gave it back manually right before I figured out ==NEW [06:05] is now building on all 3 [06:05] err, 4 [06:06] lamont: does the problem show while building or when running? [06:07] so there's no way to install and ignore all MD5 sum failures? [06:08] fabbione: how is sparc doing with the backlog? :-) [06:08] mdz: it is catching up. already done libc6. it is munging gcc3.4 and gcc4.0 is next [06:08] mdz: already manually unrolled the libhowl problem [06:08] Mithrandir: was a user complaint that sometimes it failed while he was running it [06:09] mdz: it will take a few days to really catch up on everything :( [06:09] mdz: it didn't help that about 3 other packages were dep-wait kdemultimedia, it seems [06:09] fabbione: if you could arrange for ubuntu-meta to be built soon, that would help [06:09] mdz: sure i can [06:09] lamont: do you have a command line invocation for the beast? [06:10] thanks [06:10] Mithrandir: xpdf {filename} [06:10] mdz: if there is more just tell me because gcc takes ages to build here [06:11] does debhelper have any option to show only udebs from a control file? [06:11] lamont: no, the partimage stuff. [06:11] ala dh_listpackages ? [06:11] fabbione: no, because there is no flag in debian/control saying "this is a udeb" [06:11] oh. partimage. [06:12] hard coded check in the build is the first failure. [06:12] defeating that only leads to pain and suffering [06:12] lamont: builds fine on my amd64 here. [06:12] ah, run it. [06:12] with any args, iirc. [06:12] ah [06:13] Mithrandir: what about the XC-Package-Type: udeb [06:13] it's a start [06:13] ? [06:13] fabbione: new-fangled stuff. :) [06:13] partimage -b -z0 --nodesc -f3 -c -o -y save $DEV partimg-${IMGNAME} [06:13] where dev is /dev/hda5 or whatever, and parimg-${IMGNAME} is some file name [06:13] yup, thanks [06:14] mdz: one little question concerning Kubuntu/Ubuntu relation - if you run both GNOME and KDE, is that a valid bug reporting platform? I wonder what distribution that would be, *[Uu] buntu, maybe? :) [06:16] mdz: ubuntu-meta uploaded. anything else i need to do manually? === mvo [~egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lamont grumbles about how bz is the quickest way he knows to overrun his bandwidth quota for any given 5-minute sample === Mithrandir wonders if he found the ultimate, evil fix for the evilness that is partimage. [06:21] mdz: actually, these fails-to-install bugs are in a virgin install... so it's not really a replaces' thing after all... :-( [06:21] Mithrandir: what's taht? === lamont thinks he already tried that... [06:21] lamont: redefining DWORD to be int [06:21] yeah [06:21] tried that [06:21] blows up in interesting ways? [06:21] uh, yeah. iirc [06:22] people using DWORD and shit in their code should be kicked in the nuts. [06:22] (IMVHO) [06:22] it likes to cast DWORD -> pointer, iirc. [06:22] argh [06:22] this is C++, why does it do all that kind of stuff? [06:22] yeah - it's an amusing build log if you do the redefine... [06:22] I can see that.. [06:22] compiling now. [06:23] C++ does not force good coding. it merely makes it easier to deal with if you _do_ write good code. [06:23] it might just be work to fix that, though. [06:23] sadly, many places believe the reverse of that [06:23] I don't like C++, but it does actually give you some decent tools to write applications instead of fiddling bits, which is what you very easily end up with C. [06:23] s/end up/& doing/ [06:24] yeah, guess so., [06:24] C is just the wrong language for a lot of the stuff people are using it for. [06:24] +../../../../amarok/src/plugin/libplugin.la -lkdecore -lakode [06:24] grep: /usr/lib/libltdl.la: No such file or directory [06:24] /bin/sed: can't read /usr/lib/libltdl.la: No such file or directory [06:24] sorry mdz [06:25] mdz: that's with the new kdemultimedia === crimsun [~crimsun@crimsun.silver.supporter.pdpc] has joined #ubuntu-devel === `anthony [~anthony@ekorp-203-63-137-225.eoff.ekorp.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:32] ew, partimage has BEGIN; and RETURN; as part of different methods and stuff. === froud-away is now known as froud [06:44] lamont: kdegraphics is busticated, too [06:44] ah, I see.. [06:44] looks like amu will have work to do when he wakes up [06:45] sound-juicer eventually hardlocks my machine, and it appears to be sg-related [06:47] eh, wtf. I meant gnome-cd, not sound-juicer. [06:48] anybody up for reviewing a couple of patches? (kernel and kernel-wedge related) [06:48] http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/k-w.diff <- kernel wedge [06:48] lamont: needs libltdl-dev [06:49] the patch is harmless and it does not break backward compatibility [06:49] it allows the kernel to export the pkgfilterlist env var to limit the list of packages to process [06:50] like the ones that ends in -di ;) [06:50] casually.. they match the udebs we need to process, skipping the others [06:51] the other patch is a change to the kernel debian/rules to export such env var === fgx [~fgx@host97-142.pool8248.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:52] can anyone give me the 60-second tutorial on how to add a patch to a package which uses cdbs simple-patchsys? [06:52] mdz: cdbs-edit-patch should do with recent cdbs [06:52] cdbs-edit-patch? [06:52] hmm.. mvo is faster.. [06:52] *needcoffee* [06:53] there are some patches in debian/patches, and some in debian/patches/common [06:53] which one will cdbs-edit-patch act on? [06:53] mdz: probably debian/patches [06:54] I don't understand the difference between that and /common/ [06:54] mdz: what packages is that? I haven't seen such a layout yet [06:54] DEB_PATCHDIRS := debian/patches/common debian/patches [06:55] kdegraphics [07:01] mvo: good morning. [07:01] mvo guten morgen [07:01] hey froud! any luck with svn? [07:02] froud: guten morgen, man spricht deutsch ;) [07:03] mvo: nien!!! Mithario still has not sorted out his svn problem and frankly I want to complete the update-manager manual. I am not waiting for him any longer. please email me your changes and I will email the file back to you when I am finished [07:07] froud: :( it's a very unfortunate situation. I'll send you the update-manager.xml file from trunk and will merge it back to svn. let's hope we find a solution quickly :/ [07:07] mvo: it's not the best way to work, but at least if we can shuttle the document between us and you can do the commits it will be better than full-gas in neutral [07:08] mvo: thank [07:08] mvo: danke schurn [07:08] froud: I need to look over the comments again, give me ~30minutes [07:09] froud: my comments are in "