[12:00] <universal> how can i get the corretct weather-URL for my gdesklets?
[12:01] <error_29> Can anyone tell me if there are any hidden configuration files for metacity where I can get more control than through the gconfig settings?
[12:01] <universal> how can i get the corretct weather-URL for my gdesklets?
[12:01] <LinuxJones> universal, change the country and closest major city if your not living in 1
[12:02] <lok> error_29, search in yours .metacity .gtk and .gtk-2
[12:02] <lok> .gconf too
[12:03] <R0bNyc> how do I mount another partition ?
[12:03] <[FiDO] > does anyone know anything about tv cards
[12:04] <Xappe> [FiDO] , well, i use one for watching tv
[12:04] <dampjam> I have the 82801DB intel audio controller, which ubuntu recognized, but for some reason I cannot get any sounds to play.  If I open up the audio monitor I can see the green bars go up with music, but nothing comes out of the speakers, ideas?
[12:04] <lok> R0bNyc, in your 7etc/apt/sources.list change the url it's not us.archive.ubuntu.com but archive.ubuntu.com
[12:04] <dampjam> People on the web who have the same chipset have had no similar problems (at least that have been posted)
[12:04] <error_29> hmm, lok, .metacity only has one folder in it, called sessions...
[12:04] <waseem> Ok Im using gFTP, how do i move all these files into a different directory?
[12:05] <djp> R0bNyc: to mount a floppy device for example = mount /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy
[12:06] <apokryphos> waseem: select them and press the "right" button; should transfer them.
[12:06] <Quarupt> how can i change what program opens when i click an IP
[12:06] <Quarupt> in Kubuntu
[12:06] <error_29> and I can't fine .gtk or .gtk-2 either, at least not in home/user...
[12:06] <Riddell> Quarupt: click an IP?
[12:06] <universal> LinuxJones, i tried, but nothing were detected
[12:06] <waseem> apokryphos: the files are already on the server, i just want to organize it a bit into different folders/directories
[12:07] <LinuxJones> universal, it worked for me :(
[12:07] <universal> LinuxJones, so, for me i shoulc actually type Copenhagen, Denmark...?
[12:07] <Quarupt> Riddell, what are you talking about, i mean in KDE how do i change like program defaults
[12:08] <Quarupt> oops
[12:08] <Quarupt> i made a type
[12:08] <Quarupt> o
[12:08] <LinuxJones> universal, yeah make sure each is Capitalized
[12:08] <Quarupt> I meant MP3
[12:08] <LinuxJones> universal, 1 sec lemme try
[12:08] <waseem> you there apokryphos?
[12:08] <apokryphos> waseem: hmm, I'm sure it's possible, but not as easy. I don't personally use it myself.
[12:08] <waseem> oh
[12:09] <LinuxJones> universal, Copenhagen is mostly cloudy 1 degree celcius
[12:09] <apokryphos> waseem: seems odd to me that it doesn't do things the basic copy and pasting way.
[12:09] <Inva|id> I am having problems with ubuntu install
[12:09] <LinuxJones> universal, start each name with a capital letter for country and city
[12:10] <apokryphos> Quarupt: program defaults? You mean... what a program opens with automatically?
[12:10] <waseem> does anyone here know how I can move files into a different directory on gFTP??
[12:10] <universal> LinuxJones, yeah, like a big D or a big C
[12:10] <mdke> waseem, drag and drop should work
[12:11] <Inva|id> Installation seems to hang at : | Detecting hardware to find CD-ROM drives | Loading module 'yenta-socket' for 'Cardbus bridge'...
[12:11] <LinuxJones> universal, yeah that's what I put in and it updated ok for me
[12:11] <waseem> mdke: i tried that already, it doesnt work
[12:11] <Quarupt> nevermind apokryphos i got it
[12:11] <mdke> waseem, hang on lemme install it
[12:11] <waseem> ok thanks
[12:11] <eruin> anyone know how to select the default session for gdm?
[12:11] <universal> LinuxJones, hmm wierd, but u dont know any kind of direct url?
[12:12] <eruin> after installing xfce4, it's taken over as default over gnoem
[12:12] <eruin> to my annoyance ;)
[12:12] <Quarupt> Inva|id, use ACPI off
[12:12] <LinuxJones> universal, nope
[12:12] <R0bNyc> why are all the http://us.archive.ubuntu.com not working
[12:12] <Inva|id> Quarupt: How to do that?
[12:12] <Quarupt> acpi=off
[12:12] <Quarupt> i think
[12:12] <Quarupt> its one of the boot modes
[12:12] <mdke> R0bNyc, they are doing some hardcore uploading, maybe its cranky for that reason
[12:12] <universal> LinuxJones, ok, thx anyway
[12:12] <Inva|id> ok, let me try
[12:12] <R0bNyc> am I the only one
[12:13] <tjs> just in the partition bit of the ubuntu install, Im wanting to setup software RAID. When I choose 'Configure software RAID' it says that It has to write the partition info to the disks, and that this is irrevokable and I should be satisfied with the partitioning scheme.. I have 2 120g disks I want to setup with raid 1. I thought that I would be partitioning them -after- I made them mirror?
[12:13] <mdke> waseem, what is it you are trying to move, local -> local, remote->remote or local->remote?
[12:13] <LinuxJones> R0bNyc, remove the us part
[12:13] <bear> R0bNyc, no - I've been having this problem for hours
[12:13] <Xira-> Hi, I installed Ubuntu, and my monitor and card were detected exactly, but when Gnome trys to start, the monitor turns off. Any idea on how to troubleshoot/fix?
[12:13] <R0bNyc> bear, same
[12:13] <R0bNyc> LinuxJones, ill try that
[12:13] <waseem> mdke: im just trying to move files that are alreayd on the server
[12:13] <Inva|id> Could not find kernel image: acpi=off
[12:13] <tjs> this seems to indicate that I should partition the disks -before- setting up raid?
[12:14] <HrdwrBoB> tjs: no, you partition them then mirror the partitions
[12:14] <tjs> that doesnt make any sense
[12:14] <HrdwrBoB> tjs: it's a bit strange
[12:14] <tjs> oh
[12:14] <bear> your question got an answer - mine seemed to be lost in the shuffle the last couple times :)
[12:14] <LinuxJones> R0bNyc, http://archive.ubuntu.com gives me 600 kb/sec
[12:14] <Quarupt> Inva|id, look at F1 and find something similar
[12:14] <tjs> HrdwrBoB, So I should setup the same partitions on both disks?
[12:14] <mdke> waseem, omg you're right it is crazy, doesn't seem to be a way
[12:14] <eruin> LinuxJones: shh!
[12:14] <waseem> mdke: haha what the hell...ok does anyone know any good ftp
[12:14] <waseem> ?
[12:15] <tjs> HrdwrBoB, what about swap?
[12:15] <LinuxJones> eruin, :D
[12:15] <R0bNyc> thanks LinuxJones that worked
[12:15] <StoffBox-Steve> R0bNyc, i say you 5mins ago you sould remove the us. and it will be work :P the de. mirros work too
[12:15] <eruin> LinuxJones: you evil! :P
[12:15] <mdke> waseem, nautilus probably does it
[12:15] <R0bNyc> StoffBox-Steve, yes
[12:15] <waseem> apt-get install nautilus?
[12:15] <HrdwrBoB> tjs: I created two swap partitions and added them both
[12:15] <mdke> waseem, you have it already
[12:15] <eruin> gftp doesnt work for you waseem ?
[12:15] <tjs> okay
[12:15] <tjs> thanks :)
[12:15] <mdke> waseem, it is your filemanager probably
[12:15] <StoffBox-Steve> i think its a us. server problem or a shutdown
[12:16] <waseem> mdke: what does nautilus do?
[12:16] <bear> woo - worked
[12:16] <eruin> waseem: it's a filemanager
[12:16] <mdke> waseem, you know when you open your home directory? nautilus is the program that lets you see it
[12:16] <QMario> How does yahoo messanger work on Ubuntu?
[12:16] <eruin> waseem: if youre running gnome, the "computer" icon on your desktop opens nautilus
[12:16] <goldfish> use gaim
[12:16] <drspin> QMario: Gaim
[12:16] <waseem> oh
[12:16] <R0bNyc> QMario, its wack
[12:16] <waseem> mdke: well i dont have the files on my computer, but theyre on the server
[12:16] <R0bNyc> QMario, WIndows beats Linux on Messenger!
[12:17] <QMario> How would you open the actual program "Yahoo Messanger" and unrar it to Linux?
[12:17] <waseem> so i cant organize the files on my desktop then upload them
[12:17] <mdke> waseem, it does remote too. Open it and then click file->connect to server
[12:17] <R0bNyc> AIm, Msn, Yahoo are better on WIndows so I guess we gotta stick to boring gaim stuff
[12:17] <QMario> OK!
[12:17] <mdke> waseem, then you can transfer things in file manager windows
[12:17] <mdke> waseem, following me?
[12:17] <waseem> ya i am
[12:17] <waseem> thanks
[12:18] <fgx> anyone here upgraded from php4.3.8 to php4.3.10 on warty?
[12:18] <drspin> QMario: you wouldn't
[12:18] <drspin> QMario: maybe under crossover Office
[12:19] <StoffBox-Steve> drspin, yahoo has a LInux version
[12:19] <eruin> fgx: whats your error message?
[12:19] <mdke> waseem, tested and works nicely
[12:19] <drspin> StoffBox-Steve: oh they do ?!?
[12:19] <drspin> StoffBox-Steve: sorry bout that... didn't know
[12:19] <StoffBox-Steve> jap der have one :) but its ******  drspin
[12:20] <waseem> mdke: im still trying to work it
[12:20] <drspin> LOL I can imagine
[12:20] <waseem> for some reason its not asking for any passwords...
[12:20] <mdke> waseem, just enter ftp (login) in the top box, then your username. then on the desktop an icon will appear, and it will ask for a password when you double click on it
[12:20] <fgx> eruin, no error message, i have still to upgrade but i dont know where i can find 4.3.10 for warty
[12:21] <StoffBox-Steve> im using kopete right now .. like it more than Gaim
[12:21] <mdke> waseem, http://mdke.mine.nu/images/nautilus_ftp.png
[12:21] <waseem> mdke: all the files are stuck loading
[12:21] <waseem> its not doing anything
[12:21] <drspin> I like Gaim -- been a user since version 0.67
[12:21] <eruin> fgx: oh... nm then.. just lots of people have trouble with foreach after upgrading ;-)
[12:21] <mdke> waseem, hmm it should work
[12:21] <Inva|id> Quarupt: 'linux noapic nolapic' seems to be working so far, thanks
[12:21] <mdke> waseem, are you on warty?
[12:21] <Xira-> Hi, I installed Ubuntu, and my monitor and card were detected exactly, but when Gnome trys to start, the monitor turns off. Any idea on how to troubleshoot/fix?
[12:22] <waseem> mdke: im unsure, my bro set up my computer
[12:22] <fgx> eruin, 4.3.8 that is the default php on warty is a buggy php version
[12:22] <fgx> eruin, for a safe php server 4.3.10 is required
[12:23] <waseem> ok for Folder: and Name to use for connectionL
[12:23] <waseem> what should i type in?
[12:23] <mdke> waseem, leave folder blank, and name can be what you like
[12:23] <waseem> ok
[12:23] <waseem> all the files get stuck loading
[12:24] <waseem> and i cant double click on the icon on my desktop
[12:24] <BockBilbo> whats the extension of the pgp public signatures files?
[12:25] <waseem> bockbilpo: are you asking me that?
[12:26] <eyequeue> BockBilbo:  extension?
[12:26] <BockBilbo> waseem, i asked to anyone hwho knows it
[12:26] <waseem> oh
[12:26] <eyequeue> BockBilbo:  what do you mean?
[12:26] <BockBilbo> eyequeue, well i know they have no extension
[12:26] <BockBilbo> see
[12:26] <BockBilbo> i want to leave my public key in my web server
[12:26] <eyequeue> BockBilbo:  filename?
[12:26] <BockBilbo> yeah
[12:26] <BockBilbo> so i want to know it it has to be a txt
[12:26] <eyequeue> BockBilbo:  foo.asc for --armor files
[12:27] <BockBilbo> there we go
[12:27] <eyequeue> BockBilbo:  asc being ascii armouring
[12:27] <BockBilbo> so i just create a text file and name it foo.asc
[12:27] <waseem> mdke: any ideas on what i can do
[12:27] <BockBilbo> right?
[12:28] <eyequeue> BockBilbo:  gpg --armor --export BockBilbo > bb.asc
[12:28] <BockBilbo> thanks
[12:28] <eyequeue> np
[12:28] <andreas> When navigating to /usr/share/pixmaps/splash the default is not the one named gnome-splash.png hence there must be somewhere to switch between them but where?
[12:28] <eyequeue> after, run 'gpg bb.asc' to be sure you get the results you want
[12:30] <eyequeue> BockBilbo:  typically for human readability, i'll do gpg --fingerprint BockBilbo > bb.asc && gpg --armor --export BockBilbo >> bb.asc
[12:30] <BockBilbo> oks
[12:30] <BockBilbo> thank you
[12:30] <eyequeue> adds a nice little header, try both to see which you like (--import will ignore the header, if yu're worried)
[12:31] <phester> what do you need to get all the neede plugins for fire fox?
[12:31] <phester> needed
[12:31] <tjs> I just configured raid1 as / and I get "Ubuntu does not currently support using software RAID for the root filesystem or the /boot partition. A system installed in this way will not boot"
[12:31] <andreas> phester: Which ones?
[12:32] <tjs> does that mean if I create a seperate /boot partition which is not using raid, then I can still use raid for / ?
[12:32] <BockBilbo> bye!
[12:32] <phester> like quicktime, flash and shockwave!
[12:33] <andreas> apt-het install mozilla-flash
[12:33] <andreas> That` s if your sources are configured correctly
[12:33] <phester> ok, ith should be
[12:34] <diego> andreas: refer the man to ubuntuguide and he will not return with these questions
[12:34] <phester> but that just covers flash, dosen't it?
[12:34] <Xira-> I have installed Ubuntu 4.10 and everything is configured properly in terms of monitor/video card (9800 pro 256mb and dell 1704fp) but when Gnome starts, the monitor turns off. I looked at the xfree log, but I couldn't see anything wrong, but then again I don't know what I'm looking for
[12:35] <diego> Xira-: have you double-checked the horizontal and vertical sync rates work with your monitor?
[12:35] <andreas> phester: ubuntuguide.org is a fairly easy place to get all the answers
[12:36] <diego> andreas: :)
[12:36] <drspin> Does the ubuntu have ISA sound support by default?
[12:36] <andreas> diego: There`s just one problem doing that... Waht about my own problems..? LOL
[12:36] <diego> andreas: hmm?
[12:36] <phester> andreas: ok thx
[12:37] <Xira-> diego: I don't know, everything looked fine
[12:37] <andreas> diego: ubuntusuide??
[12:37] <andreas> Damn spelling.... It`s the keyboard - I swear!
[12:37] <ukilledkenny> i typed in> nautilus applications:///Internet , but the folder cant be found ... help
[12:37] <diego> andreas: suicide is not the option. time to pipe myself to `food`
[12:37] <Quest-Master> ukilledkenny: Are you on Hoary?
[12:38] <ukilledkenny> yes
[12:38] <Quest-Master> That's why
[12:38] <andreas> Hoary is nice
[12:38] <Quest-Master> ukilledkenny: Search on ubuntuforums.org on how to change menus
[12:38] <Quest-Master> andreas: Agreed.
[12:38] <ukilledkenny> thanx
[12:38] <Quest-Master> No problem
[12:38] <andreas> Quest: I just have one question..
[12:39] <waseem> what is the command to move multiple files at once?
[12:39] <andreas> How the ""#%&% does one change the splashscreen??
[12:39] <eyequeue> waseem:  mv * elsewhere/
[12:40] <waseem> thanks
[12:41] <iMeXdiAC> hi .. i tried to run the xfree86 on a g4 powerbook (titanium) that came with warty .. selected the special resolution the screen has (1280x852) in the config debconf dialog and also used an older xfreeconfig-4 file that used to work with the pb&debian - but still the screen fades to black .. so should/have i to upgrade to hoary to get x11 working in this situation ?.
[12:41] <ukilledkenny> Quest-Master: i typed in sudo gedit /etc/menus/application.menu and the file came up empty
[12:42] <ukilledkenny> Quest-Master: its supposed to have several entries
[12:43] <cowbud> jdub: fix your crazy planet.gnome.org so I can read the news!
[12:44] <jdub> no way dude
[12:44] <jdub> now look at www.gnome.org
[12:44] <tizen> Guys, any of you have gaim disapearing randomly
[12:44] <StoffBox-Steve> ukilledkenny, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=18034
[12:44] <cowbud> ahhh
[12:44] <cowbud> protest style
[12:45] <cowbud> so why isn't gnomedesktop protesting?
[12:45] <ukilledkenny> StoffBox-Steve: i followed the first command but the file application.menus came up blank
[12:45] <StoffBox-Steve> tizen, all messenger be try by yourself ... nobody can say what you love/hate .. i like Gaim but using kopete ..
[12:46] <QMario> How does SAMBA work?
[12:46] <StoffBox-Steve> ukilledkenny, by me too ^^
[12:47] <tizen> StoffBox-Steve: Yeah, gaim is lovely... But often i come out of the screensaver and it's gone from the taskbar
[12:47] <tizen> and there's no log anywhere
[12:47] <ukilledkenny> StoffBox-Steve: should i go ahead and start typing stuff up anyway
[12:47] <QMario> Can anyone answer my question?
[12:47] <grancon> the installation of ubuntu-desktop bugs on hoary, is it normal ?
[12:47] <StoffBox-Steve> QMario, http://www.samba.org/
[12:48] <grancon> xorg-driver-synaptics
[12:49] <StoffBox-Steve> you can try it .. and say me if it works ;) i search a half day... and going crazy .... i can not get in my brain why der not leave the easy why ... :S
[12:50] <geppy> What package provides aoss?
[12:50] <geppy> hahaha
[12:50] <geppy> oh
[12:51] <geppy> =)
[12:51] <StoffBox-Steve> i love it seeing them running around on my dual head system :D
[12:51] <geppy> ah, alsa-oss
[12:51] <geppy> hahaha
[12:51] <StoffBox-Steve> make a bit happy :D
[12:52] <QMario> Can I use SAMBA, so that a Windows computer can recognize me?
[12:52] <geppy> QMario: Yes.
[12:52] <QMario> How does SAMBA actually work?
[12:52] <QMario> Is there a command to make it work or start running?
[12:52] <StoffBox-Steve> sure QMario therefor is samba .. .. read the samba website
[12:52] <StoffBox-Steve> there have a good Dokumentaion
[12:53] <StoffBox-Steve> and in the web there are many many howtos about samba
[12:53] <QMario> The problem is that my Windows computer cannot communicate or recognize my Ubuntu computer.
[12:53] <StoffBox-Steve> use you DHCP ... or when not have you set up Ips rights ?
[12:54] <QMario> What are Ips rights?
[12:54] <ukilledkenny> StoffBox-Steve: i just want to add an entry onto the Applications>Internet menu... can you tell how
[12:55] <fgx> again, i need to upgrade to php4.3.10 on warty. can someone suggest me the better way to do it?
[12:55] <StoffBox-Steve> normaly at privat network the level C is still a good chose means > IP 192.168.*.* Subnetmask 255.255.255.0  be sure both are in the same ip group me Ubuntu PC > 192.168.0.2 WinpC 192.168.0.3
[12:56] <StoffBox-Steve> not really ukilledkenny i read the forum post but dont try it,
[12:56] <diego> StoffBox-Steve: i was talking to him earlier. his network works, but he would like to print from his windows box to his printer being hosted on his linux box. the printer already works on the linux box alone, just needs to add samba to the equation
[12:57] <diego> StoffBox-Steve: 'him' being QMario
[12:57] <StoffBox-Steve> ok QMario wait a moment :)
[12:58] <StoffBox-Steve>  :) i think that
[12:58] <QMario> StoffBox-Steve, are you still there?
[12:59] <StoffBox-Steve> sure just looking for an howto about printing ... :) somewhere in my favs there must be one
[01:00] <diego> StoffBox-Steve: i think the people at gentoo have one but that's probably a bit hands-on
[01:00] <StoffBox-Steve> ok i think there is a easy way but maybe not the best .... / thinking about webmin
[01:01] <tw0nk> heyas, sorry but could someone please help me? im just after installing ubuntu but i cant seem to get the xserver working, i ran xf86config but i still cant get it to work
[01:01] <tw0nk> im using a nvidia geforce 2 mx card
[01:01] <diego> tw0nk: describe the problem please
[01:02] <tw0nk> right.. well i installed ubuntu,no probs,it downloaded all the updates, then it tried to boot and the screen flickered twice and just went back to the unix like interface
[01:02] <QMario> Will installing WINE solve the problem?
[01:02] <diego> tw0nk: ok, did you try looking through the logs
[01:02] <tw0nk> so then i tried startx and it gave me so big error
[01:03] <diego> QMario: you're completely out of your element.
[01:03] <StoffBox-Steve> no QMario printing dont need wine
[01:03] <tw0nk> yeah i looked through the log and it gives me this error about the graphics card, but i selected nvidia in xf86config and thats the only one there
[01:03] <diego> tw0nk: what's the error message?
[01:04] <QMario> It's worth a try.:)
[01:04] <diego> QMario: that's like saying chewing on a stick of gum is worth a try...
[01:04] <StoffBox-Steve> QMario, diego  i think this can be helpfull ... a small howto for printing with samba
[01:04] <StoffBox-Steve> http://www.wlug.org.nz/SambaPrinting
[01:04] <tw0nk> eeeep i was scared you were gonna ask that, sorry for being unprepared, im just after logging into windows to come here,right ill restart and check the error, back in a few mins
[01:04] <diego> tw0nk: you don't have another computer you can use?
[01:05] <QMario> Thank you for all your help everyone.:)
[01:05] <zenwhen> Attention Channel: I love linux.
[01:05] <zenwhen> that is all
[01:05] <tw0nk> nope :( ah well , ok il be back in a sec and il write down the error
[01:06] <StoffBox-Steve> crap is 01:05am *grrr* have to standup in a few hours ^^
[01:07] <diego> zenwhen: gj dude
[01:10] <StoffBox-Steve> so a last smoke and than its bedtime
[01:12] <benh> so what is this story that people claim ubuntu has working trackpad on latest powerbooks ?
[01:12] <benh> if that is true (which I doubt), why isn't the patch posted to linuxppc-dev or lkml ?
[01:12] <daniels> benh: what's broken about it?
[01:12] <daniels> benh: err ... we don't have draglock and shit like that
[01:12] <benh> daniels: it's a USB HID device (not ADB anymore)
[01:12] <daniels> benh: dunno who said that :)
[01:13] <benh> daniels: last I've hard reports, the kernel HID refused to play with it at all
[01:13] <daniels> benh: oh, interesting.  in that case, it's just going to come under /dev/input/mice, isn't it?
[01:13] <[FiDO] > does anyone know anything about tvtime
[01:13] <benh> daniels: so it just didn't work _at all_
[01:13] <daniels> benh: oh, OK.  well, we're pulling from -bk in some aspects
[01:13] <tizen> [FiDO] : I don't know how to make the audio work
[01:13] <daniels> benh: so if it works upstream, it works for us.  we don't have any custom patches that I know of.
[01:13] <benh> ok, but I don't think it works upsteam
[01:13] <benh> oh well...
[01:14] <[FiDO] > me either that's my problem
[01:14] <benh> I'll get one of those beasts for playing soon (a co-working ordered one)
[01:14] <ukilledkenny> can anyone tell me how i can play mpeg/avi files on hoary
[01:14] <benh> so I'll be able to hack & find out how it works
[01:14] <daniels> benh: ah cool
[01:14] <daniels> benh: well, if you need anything to be done for ubuntu, courier it down to me :)
[01:14] <diego> ukilledkenny: see http://ubuntuguide.org
[01:15] <benh> hehe
[01:15] <ukilledkenny> which is the best player though
[01:15] <ukilledkenny> i couldnt get real player to install rite
[01:15] <diego> ukilledkenny: that's obviously preference
[01:15] <diego> ukilledkenny: give gmplayer or xine a try
[01:15] <ukilledkenny> thanx
[01:16] <ukilledkenny> diego: do i have to install any plugins/codecs beforehand
[01:16] <CarlK> mplayer plays like all you ever reyalpm
[01:16] <diego> ukilledkenny: just go to that url and it'll become apparent
[01:17] <diego> CarlK: did you just say reyalpm?
[01:17] <CarlK> yeah, I counlnt' think of a word that began with R
[01:17] <QMario> How do I add a printer?
[01:17] <diego> QMario: how do i subtract a printer?
[01:18] <gilly> Good evening
[01:18] <tizen> diego: define a printer variable
[01:18] <QMario> Diego, Computer-printer
[01:18] <diego> QMario: in that case, the answer to your question is simpley Computer+printer
[01:19] <diego> QMario: my point is, you need to ask a more specific question.
[01:19] <QMario> I meant where do I go to add a printer for my network?
[01:19] <QMario> Sorru
[01:19] <CarlK> got to printerstore.com. select a printer, hit "add to cart"
[01:19] <QMario> Sorry
[01:19] <diego> QMario: this link that someone sent you earlier explains that ( http://www.wlug.org.nz/SambaPrinting )
[01:19] <QMario> What's with the sarcasm?
[01:20] <CarlK> it is fun
[01:21] <QMario> Heh
[01:21] <gilly> Is there a queue for questions or is this an open forum?
[01:21] <QMario> Open
[01:21] <QMario> An open forum.
[01:22] <gilly> coolage
[01:22] <CarlK> wow, that was teh most practicaly ask to ask I have ever seen
[01:22] <gilly> I have a question
[01:22] <diego> gilly: clearly the proper way to form a noun from the word 'cool' is 'coolness'...get it right :P
[01:22] <Win32> how do you get all win32 devices/codecs on Ubuntu, I'm having troubles
[01:22] <gilly> ha
[01:23] <Win32> for I can play some Mpegs and WMvs
[01:23] <diego> Win32: see http://ubuntuguide.org
[01:25] <QMario> Heh
[01:25] <Win32> its just apt-get install w32codecs?
[01:26] <diego> Win32: follow all the steps...
[01:26] <femv> Hi people need some help installing ubuntu
[01:27] <r0ver> femv: what's your problem ?
[01:27] <diego> femv: continue...
[01:27] <bwlang> femv: who are these people who need help?
[01:27] <diego> bwlang: nice.
[01:27] <QMario> Yes, on an HP Pavilion.
[01:27] <ukilledkenny> im having trouble with the command java -jar /opt/LimeWire/LimeWire.jar , but if i cd into /opt/LimeWire/ and type in java -jar LimeWire.jar it executes... anything odd
[01:27] <Win32> diego, it only shows warty, I have hoary
[01:28] <femv> me... how much hd space does ubunto needs ?
[01:28] <diego> Win32: i use it on hoary with no problems
[01:28] <Win32> diego, the steps just say it for warty
[01:28] <diego> Win32: follow them heh
[01:29] <QMario> What is hoary?
[01:29] <diego> femv: a couple gigs for system stuff + user storage
[01:29] <Win32> diego, i did, it can't find the package
[01:29] <diego> QMario: hoary is the current development release to come out in early april
[01:29] <QMario> Sorry guys, I'm sort of new to all this.
[01:29] <QMario> With time I'll yet better.
[01:29] <diego> Win32: did you follow all the steps (specially when it comes to adding the repository you need)
[01:29] <Win32> yesyes
[01:29] <bwlang> ukilledkenny: setup a shell script to do the cd for you... that's not unusual for a java package...
[01:29] <femv> my installation seems to go well , it does restart and start to uncompress some things... 'packages' ... it takes a looot of time until it start giving erros... out of space it seems..
[01:29] <bwlang> femv: depends on what you choose... ubuntu is not really a light weight distro... use debian if you want a small footprint
[01:30] <femv> its a 2 gb partition
[01:30] <diego> Win32: did you run an apt-get update (Refresh button in Synaptic)?
[01:30] <ukilledkenny> bwlang. no idea on how to do so
[01:30] <diego> femv: 2gb partition or 2gb drive?
[01:30] <bwlang> ukilledkenny: you'll have to google for how to write a bash script
[01:30] <Win32> diego, but like i said it only shows Warty for respitory
[01:31] <femv> diego , 2 gb partition
[01:31] <diego> femv: mm...try running an `apt-get clean` and then attempt again
[01:31] <bwlang> ukilledkenny: essentially it's a file with a list of commands that you want to run
[01:32] <xxenon> hoary (universe) has KDE 3.4 RC1 ?
[01:32] <QMario> How do I edit a configuration file?
[01:32] <Igotascrewlose> anyone here have gdesklets working?
[01:32] <diego> QMario: use a text editor, generally as root
[01:32] <Riddell> xxenon: kdelibs only (and it's final not rc)
[01:32] <error_29> When I start my (warty) laptop while connected to my lan, boot and log-in is slow but bearable, but when I'm offline, bootup is incredibly slow -- what do need to reconfigure?
[01:32] <femv> diego : it does finish the intallation but it says that it could not install some packages... it does boot up... can i launch gnome ?
[01:32] <diego> Win32: may i /msg you?
[01:32] <ukilledkenny> bwlang, actually i wrote the command java -jar.yada yada ... as part of the EXEC section, so that i can execute it from a shortcut i made on Applications
[01:32] <xxenon> Riddell - ok.
[01:32] <tizen> I've never seen anything like this ubuntu server... Sometimes I get 600kB/s other times, 2000 B/s
[01:33] <diego> femv: i'm not sure..
[01:33] <Win32> diego, yes
[01:33] <error_29> it's like the system is hanging because it's expecting an internet connection that's not there...
[01:33] <Igotascrewlose> no one has gdeskletsinstlled?
[01:33] <Igotascrewlose> *gdesklets installed
[01:33] <femv> diego.. how it is usually done
[01:33] <diego> femv: automatically
[01:33] <tw0nk> heyas, i just checked the log and x wont start cos of my mouse
[01:34] <diego> tw0nk: nice!
[01:34] <tw0nk> diego ??
[01:34] <error_29> Igotascrewlose, I had them installed, liked them, but they seemed to 1. break easily, and 2.use more resources than they were worth
[01:34] <diego> tw0nk: sarcasm...i'm trying to express that it sucks your mouse would cause you such troubles
[01:34] <tw0nk> hehe sorry!
[01:34] <tw0nk> i think its cos its a usb mouse
[01:35] <femv> diego.. so i guess it did not install it.... i did the apt thing... how can i have those packages installed... or at least .. try
[01:35] <Igotascrewlose> error_29 well can u help me set them up?
[01:35] <diego> tw0nk: did you change any of the mouse settings?
[01:35] <QMario> How do I open a file using pico, such as the configuration file I was speaking about earlier?
[01:35] <tw0nk> i set it to auto and then it asks me where the mouse is connected,, i tried it at dev/tty00 and dev/mouse but neither worked,any ideas? its usb but i dunno what the folder for that is
[01:35] <diego> femv: hmm...try `apt-get install ubuntu-desktop`
[01:35] <error_29> if i remember, Igotascrewlose , let's see, if you installed them already, the only tricky thing is getting them started...
[01:36] <ukilledkenny> bwlang, its already part of a script, it looks like... Encoding=UTF-8 Name=LimeWire 	Comment=p2p client Exec=java -jar /opt/LimeWire/LimeWire.jar Icon=apple-red Terminal=false Type=Application Categories=Applications;Network;
[01:36] <Igotascrewlose> yeah i hve it installed
[01:36] <Igotascrewlose> just cant get them running
[01:36] <error_29> you need to first, start gdesklets (on the command line, for example), then
[01:36] <ukilledkenny> but the EXEC section doesnt work
[01:36] <Igotascrewlose> i have started gdesklets
[01:36] <diego> QMario: `sudo pico /your/file.txt`
[01:37] <Igotascrewlose> but the desklets wont load
[01:37] <error_29> find the folder and right click on any of the whatchamacallits
[01:37] <femv> diego: did it... got no error... now what
[01:37] <diego> femv: did it install anything?
[01:37] <error_29> then right click, and drag it to the desktop
[01:37] <tw0nk> diego any ideas?
[01:37] <error_29> sorry, forgot what they're called, not sensors, but the other py files
[01:37] <Igotascrewlose> okay
[01:37] <femv> diegp: it didnt say anything...still it gave no errors
[01:38] <diego> tw0nk: try another mouse...try setting it to /dev/input/mice
[01:38] <lamn02> hi
[01:38] <error_29> Igotascrewlose, it's actually loaded, but you need to start the thing off with that drag to desktop business, it's weird
[01:38] <lamn02> I need some help with my windows machine
[01:38] <bwlang> ukilledkenny: so just put  a "cd /usr/... " on the previous line
[01:38] <QMario> Thank you.
[01:38] <QMario> Let me try this...
[01:38] <ukilledkenny> thanx
[01:38] <error_29> sorry , I don't have gdesklets installed right now, so I don't remember too well
[01:38] <tw0nk> ok il just go try mess with it and see if i get any results, theres no way to get ubuntu to autodetect it?
[01:38] <QMario> Hmmm....
[01:38] <Igotascrewlose> its not letting me move the files
[01:39] <lamn02> I tried using that LiveCD that is on ubuntulinux.org.. tried to boot with it but it never got to linux..
[01:39] <diego> tw0nk: it generally does. /dev/input/mice is where it's at probably
[01:39] <diego> lamn02: which livecd? there are several
[01:39] <lamn02> tried a safe mode or w/e it was, and it got to the process loading screen, but nothing happened
[01:39] <lamn02> x86
[01:39] <tw0nk> ok thanks diego,il try that now
[01:39] <error_29> Igotascrewlose, are you right clicking, then (I think) choosing "open with gdesklets"?
[01:39] <diego> lamn02: x86....warty?
[01:39] <lamn02> yea
[01:39] <error_29> then you drag the py file
[01:39] <femv> diego.. look what i got now...  dpkg was interrupted you must manually run ' dpkg --configure -a' to correct the pro
[01:39] <diego> lamn02: do you know if your hardware works with linux?
[01:39] <Igotascrewlose> ok
[01:40] <diego> femv: do so...make it happy :)
[01:40] <ukilledkenny> bwlang, will just leaving white space between the two lines be able to distinguish them as separate commands
[01:40] <blizah> im having problems making a launch icon to lanch steam through cedega...when i type command: "cedega /path/to/steam/Steam.exe"  i get ERROR: Steam.exe (main exception):  Unable to change directory to /home/stephen/TransGaming_Drive/ProgramFiles/Valve/Steam/           --everything is captilized the right way
[01:40] <lamn02> ummm, i read something about nforce but i didnt think tha twould be aproblem
[01:40] <Igotascrewlose> okay i got it on desktop
[01:40] <bwlang> ukilledkenny: bash is line oriented... so whitespace is not necessary
[01:40] <Igotascrewlose> the .display file
[01:40] <Igotascrewlose> i have no .py files
[01:40] <diego> blizah: to you keep your Steam.exe file in /path/to/Steam.exe?
[01:41] <lamn02> when i removed the cd because it wasnt working, my windows would begin to load but then the computer would just restart randomly never geting to the OS
[01:41] <StoffBox-Steve> hey guys before i go do bed here some funny stuff for you :) .... >> my Xpenguins >> www.bysteve.de/des.png  ( 1.4mb) ...
[01:41] <blizah> now when i run the steam.exe in a terminal and exit the program and the terminal is still up and then i click the launch icon i made...steam works
[01:41] <ukilledkenny> bwlang, thanx
[01:41] <blizah> but when i exit the terminal i manually did it with it does
[01:41] <blizah> doesnt work..
[01:41] <lamn02> tried safemode, and all that.. gets to a347bus.sys esc to stop loading it and then freezes there after
[01:41] <blizah> nonono diego that was an example :D
[01:41] <lamn02> restarts*
[01:41] <diego> lamn02: your windows as in M$ Windows or a gui?
[01:41] <blizah> (was lazy)
[01:41] <femv> diego : it semms its setting up some things :)
[01:41] <lamn02> M$ windows
[01:41] <QMario> Steve, what timezone are you in?
[01:41] <lamn02> xp pro sp2
[01:42] <diego> blizah: try cd'ing into that directory first, then run cedega inside there (i know it's stupid but my friend had same problem)
[01:42] <Igotascrewlose> error_29 i have the .display file on the desktop
[01:42] <error_29> sorry Igotascrewlose , I may have the file extension wrong, but if you check all the folders for gdesklets, there should be some readmes in there...
[01:42] <Igotascrewlose> okay
[01:42] <blizah> i can cd to the directory
[01:42] <blizah> and i can run steam
[01:42] <diego> blizah: maybe you should go to a cedega channel
[01:42] <femv> diego : what does apt-get clean does ?
[01:42] <femv> *do
[01:42] <blizah> k :D
[01:43] <lamn02> diego: any idea?
[01:43] <diego> femv: removes .deb files from your hard drive
[01:43] <diego> blizah: #cedega would be a good choice :)
[01:43] <blizah> yea i there
[01:43] <bwlang> femv: it removes the files you downloaded from /var/cache/apt...
[01:43] <StoffBox-Steve> QMario, german  / berlin its 1.43 now  and i have to standup at 6 ocloak
[01:43] <femv> diego: is it still going to be able to install what it didnt without them ?
[01:43] <diego> femv: heh no
[01:43] <error_29> Igotascrewlose, once you drag the right kind of file to the desktop, it'll just look like it should, whatever the applet is, then you configure with the right click menu -- so you should be in a "display" folder, then the applets will be in there
[01:43] <AngryClip> what is everyones favourite newsreader for ubuntu?
[01:43] <diego> femv: shiit...they're on the cd though
[01:44] <QMario> Good night then. :)
[01:44] <diego> lamn02: uh..does it ever attempt to boot into the cd?
[01:44] <diego> AngryClip: i personally like liferea
[01:44] <QMario> Before you go, how do I share my printer on the network?
[01:44] <diego> QMario: we've answered that. 3 times now.
[01:44] <lamn02> ohy yea,it would giv ethe menu from the cd, but it would never complete load to linux
[01:44] <diego> QMario: go to that url we keep referring you to.
[01:44] <QMario> I am there.
[01:45] <lamn02> most of the process werent found and what not being as its from a cd
[01:45] <diego> QMario: follow the instructions...
[01:45] <QMario> I've read the only the Linux instructions.
[01:45] <diego> lamn02: uh..did you get any error messages?
[01:45] <lamn02> as far as I saw no
[01:45] <femv> diego: is it normal for the instalation to get this long ?
[01:46] <diego> lamn02: cool...haha...sounds like your hardware may be unsupported
[01:46] <lamn02> regular windows booting would flash the logo as normal and then restart
[01:46] <diego> femv: long?
[01:46] <lamn02> ok, so if that is the case why wouldnt it continue running from windows as normal since it has nothing to do with the hdd?
[01:46] <StoffBox-Steve> fast i have only good german links for you QMario.. and no time to look around in my eng fav list, sry but hav really go to bed or by boss killing me ;)
[01:46] <femv> diego... it took me a long time
[01:47] <diego> lamn02: the cd may boot and your hardware may still be unsupported
[01:47] <diego> femv: to do what?
[01:47] <femv> diego.. install..
[01:47] <lamn02> diego: i meant as far as not booting from the cd at all, and trying to boot as normal from the hdd
[01:47] <lamn02> it doesnt boot windows at all
[01:47] <diego> femv: installs usually take 30 minutes.. you just deprived the poor thing of hard disk space
[01:48] <diego> lamn02: let me put it this way. the cd will boot as long as your motherboard supports booting from the cd. at any point afterwords, it may fail
[01:48] <femv> diego: yeah i didn't think it was going to take more than 2 gbs
[01:48] <thebartman> hey guys, need a little help getting the wireless PCI card workgin
[01:48] <thebartman> I had it working before I had to reinstall
[01:48] <thebartman> but now I can't get it...
[01:49] <diego> femv: well the default package selection isn't exactly identical to that of a livecd :)
[01:49] <lamn02> diego, what i am trying to explain to you is this.. I am no longer trying to boot the LiveCD(cd out of the drive) i am trying to boot normally with the windows i haveon the drive
[01:49] <diego> femv: it's not just the operating system, you're getting the OS, gnome, openoffice, firefox, etc..
[01:49] <StoffBox-Steve> Good night all
[01:49] <StoffBox-Steve> *waves* ;D
[01:49] <diego> lamn02: oh..so take the cd out
[01:49] <femv> diego : cant you just select the packages you want  to have installed ?
[01:49] <lamn02> its not in the drive?
[01:50] <thebartman> can ubuntu use WAP?
[01:50] <diego> femv: at this point, you can manually install whatever you want
[01:50] <diego> femv: on the warty installer, you couldn't choose which individual packages you wanted, just cli or gui...you've gotten past the cli and a bit into the gui sounds like
[01:50] <lamn02> what happens is, windows gives the usual.. didnt start up properly menu, and then when you select normal or safe mode or w/e it begins to do the normal process, and restarts itself
[01:51] <dazed> hey i need some help...how come when xmms or xine is going no other sounds can be played...is there a fix?
[01:51] <diego> lamn02: that doesn't sound good
[01:51] <diego> lamn02: i'm not sure...
[01:51] <lamn02> ..
[01:51] <diego> dazed: configure them to use esd or something, that way they can play nice and use the sound card at once
[01:51] <diego> lamn02: sorry, can't help ya
[01:51] <lamn02> why would it even play with my drive?
[01:51] <lamn02> isnt it not a LiveCD
[01:52] <diego> lamn02: i don't think it does play with the drive
[01:52] <lamn02> so it should have no adverse effects to drive, like it does now
[01:52] <diego> lamn02: are you sure you got the livecd and not the install?
[01:52] <lamn02> its the livecd
[01:52] <lamn02> pretty sure
[01:52] <thebartman> anyone feel like helping me out with wireless.. I know I got it working before and it was easy
[01:52] <dazed> diego: my Gaim is already configured to ESD
[01:52] <dazed> and still no change
[01:53] <diego> dazed: everything needs to use ESD
[01:53] <diego> dazed: that includes xmms
[01:53] <diego> thebartman: what's the problem?
[01:53] <lamn02> let me try and boot it again, with the cd to make sure of the menu
[01:53] <diego> lamn02: k
[01:53] <dazed> ohhh ok
[01:53] <dazed> let me try and figure that out
[01:53] <thebartman> well. i'm a nub to ubuntu.. I installed it before and you guys helped me get it working
[01:53] <thebartman> but now I need to "start at the beginning" got get my wlan card working
[01:54] <thebartman> I launched the network tool and tried to install it but it keeps hanging and only seeing eith0 witch is my lan card
[01:54] <dazed> diego: thanks got that to work
[01:54] <diego> thebartman: ok, will you message me (privately) the output of a `sudo iwconfig` ?
[01:54] <diego> dazed: cool, np
[01:56] <lamn02> morphix?
[01:56] <diego> lamn02: that's the livecd
[01:57] <lamn02> alright, so i shouldnt be having this problem?
[01:57] <lamn02> would it have anything to do with me having installed a newer version of aspi on my window installation a while back
[01:57] <diego> lamn02: heh, you really shouldn't :)
[01:57] <diego> lamn02: i wouldn't think so
[01:57] <lamn02> well its trying to boot from the cd right now, let me see if there are any errors
[01:58] <Igotascrewlose> wow gDesklets suck
[01:58] <Igotascrewlose> i have to keep that terminal open
[01:58] <thenuke> Igotascrewlose: it does not suck if you dont know how play with it
[01:58] <thenuke> Igotascrewlose: gdesklets & puts it in the background
[01:58] <Igotascrewlose> what?
[01:58] <error_29> Igotascrewlose, don't judge them till you get better help than i could give you!
[01:59] <Igotascrewlose> lol
[01:59] <Igotascrewlose> thenuke can u help me?
[01:59] <wm_eddie> How do I change the emacs font?
[01:59] <Quarupt> where do the developers talk?
[01:59] <wm_eddie> and don't say M-x customize because no matter what I do in there things aren't changing!
[01:59] <crimsun> Quarupt: ubuntu-devel
[01:59] <thenuke> Igotascrewlose: nope :) as far as I dont know what's the matter ;) but I think that one problem was that you did not put gdesklets running like a daemon
[01:59] <thenuke> start it by typing gdesklets &
[02:00] <Igotascrewlose> ok
[02:00] <thenuke> then add the desklets without that &
[02:00] <thenuke> if you add them from console?
[02:00] <lamn02> diego: right as it completed the progression screen, it restarted
[02:00] <Igotascrewlose> im adding from console
[02:00] <thenuke> yup
[02:00] <diego> lamn02: are you talking about the livecd or windows now?
[02:00] <kapputu> hi
[02:00] <lamn02> livecd
[02:00] <kapputu> how do I setup a lanbrowser on ubuntu
[02:01] <kapputu> I need to be able to access other Ubuntu machines
[02:01] <wm_eddie> kapputu: that's a good question, I wonder what nautilus can do.
[02:02] <JordanAU> is ubuntu built on sarge or woody?
[02:02] <lamn02> right before the progression screen, it said something was unable to load or something to that effect
[02:02] <yoko-omo> is there a command to search which packages you have installed on your system like an apt-cache?
[02:02] <diego> lamn02: i don't think i can provide any more help. sorry
[02:02] <crimsun> yoko-omo: dpkg -l   does that.
[02:03] <lamn02> noice, alright then
[02:03] <femv> diego.. i read that there is kind of an expert installation mode.. is that right?
[02:04] <diego> femv: yeah, it gives you a few more options throughout the install but it's pretty much the same once you reboot
[02:04] <diego> femv: isn't there a way you can get more storage space?
[02:04] <yoko-omo> crimsun: tanx
[02:04] <femv> diego.. deleting windows je je
[02:05] <diego> femv: why not resize the windows partition?
[02:05] <DoppleGanger> cause he really wants to stop taking drugs
[02:05] <DoppleGanger> he eh best of luck
[02:06] <femv> i did... but its too small already... im on a 4gb disk
[02:06] <femv> im doing a fare 1:1
[02:06] <diego> femv: ouch...ouch...ouch...
[02:06] <kapputu> how do I setup shares on a linux machine?
[02:06] <diego> femv: who needs windows? :)
[02:06] <DoppleGanger> kapputu: read samba or nfs docs
[02:06] <jroc> hullo... I've a question about getting VNC server working on a machine my friend and I are setting up as a local server - we've run apt-get install vncserver, and our process monitor shows Xrealvnc running, but we can't connect... any ideas?
[02:07] <femv> diego : good question! je je
[02:08] <kapputu> can I install KDE using apt-get?
[02:08] <mikep> jroc: Have you tried pinging out?
[02:08] <DoppleGanger> kapputu: i don't know can you
[02:08] <jroc> we can ping each other, yes
[02:09] <Riddell> kapputu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingKDE
[02:09] <femv> is this os worth it ?
[02:09] <diego> femv: linux?
[02:10] <mikep> jroc: How about trace route?
[02:10] <thebartman> hey guys other than disabling ipv6 in firefox.. how can I speed up DNS resolve times.. it's still crazy slow
[02:10] <DoppleGanger> call your isp
[02:11] <thebartman> me
[02:11] <mikep> femv: Depends if you like rpm more than apt-get.
[02:11] <thebartman> my other 4-5 boxes, XP, Suse, OSX, are fine.. only Ubunut is crazy slow
[02:11] <diego> well i'm going to leave this channel now that i can
[02:11] <tux_> thebartman, are you using DHCP?
[02:11] <thebartman> yes
[02:11] <thebartman> and it's getting the DNS servers correctly
[02:11] <tux_> switch to static
[02:12] <thebartman> ?
[02:12] <tux_> i did and it helped
[02:12] <thebartman> never heard of that before
[02:12] <tux_> DHCP internally
[02:12] <zenrox> thebartman,  disable tpv/6 in firefox
[02:12] <zenrox> ipv/6
[02:12] <goldfish> lol
[02:12] <thebartman> I did... didn't you just read my first post
[02:12] <streetbmx> hello
[02:12] <zenrox> thebartman,  looked away
[02:12] <thebartman> thebartman: hey guys other than disabling ipv6 in firefox.. how can I speed up
[02:12] <zenrox> now i see
[02:12] <OrangeSlice> why would you disable ipv6 :p  it's like a window to the future
[02:13] <zenrox> thebartman,  you put your rounters ip in the dns list on the ubuntu
[02:13] <tux_> yea, with no window until like 3 years out
[02:13] <thebartman> ya..to bad nothing uses it besides the fucking scipt kiddies trying to exploit my boxes
[02:13] <arenner> I want to try Ubuntu for the first time and I am looking to install the Hoary release.  What media should I download to do this?
[02:13] <OrangeSlice> eh, I'm on an ipv6 irc network :o
[02:13] <OrangeSlice> lots of things use it, you just aren't configured to on your end
[02:14] <r0sk> Hi ppl!
[02:14] <gepp1> Anyone know of any good music transcribing programs?
[02:14] <streetbmx> does anyone know a way to disable animations in gnome? ie. when i minimize a window.
[02:14] <thebartman> like I said.. the only thing I see trying to use it is people trying to exploit unpatched ipv6 boxes
[02:14] <thebartman> so.. any way. .back to DNS
[02:14] <thebartman> you say hard code the IP and stuff..
[02:14] <thebartman> ok.. but I really don't see how that would help
[02:14] <thebartman> I hope they fix this in some update
[02:15] <thebartman> btw.. when is the next ver of Ubuntu coming out
[02:15] <femv> diego.. was referring to ubuntu
[02:15] <jroc> mikep: I'm not that familiar with traceroute, but I'll try it - thanks
[02:15] <r0sk> I just finish install Ubuntu on PPC (iBook G4 1.2 and 12"screen), but on first start I see how it starts daemons and then it displays a blank screen. If I press Ctrl+Alt+F2,F3... I not leave blank screen, any tips please?
[02:15] <goldfish> thebartman: next month
[02:16] <thebartman> cool.. is there a beta?
[02:16] <thebartman> and will synaptic update an older install to the newer one?
[02:16] <farruinn> yes and yse
[02:16] <farruinn> yes*
[02:16] <goldfish> thebartman: hoary
[02:16] <goldfish> is the name
[02:16] <JordanAU> Hey I believe I am finally closing in on a solution to my ndiswrapper solution
[02:16] <thebartman> oh.. is there a link on the ubuntu site for a bittorrent
[02:16] <r0sk> no one on ppc?
[02:17] <thebartman> I'm on PPC.. osX..
[02:17] <thebartman> only way to go
[02:17] <r0sk> thebartman, any tip to start ubuntu without X from yaboot line?
[02:17] <JordanAU> where can i find the necessary kernel headers without using apt-get or synaptic
[02:17] <thebartman> nope.. never even considered replacing osX..
[02:17] <JordanAU> the neccessary being all kernel headers i guess
[02:17] <r0sk> thebartman, something like: load vmlinuz vga=no
[02:18] <crimsun> JordanAU: for ubuntu, you use linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[02:18] <crimsun> JordanAU: not kernel-headers-foo, which is what debian uses
[02:18] <mikep> jroc: traceroute is a utility that traces a packet from your computer to an Inernet host, showng how many hops the packet requires to reach the host and how long each hop takes.
[02:18] <thebartman> btw R0sk.. why are ya tring to install Ubuntu on your ibook.. just playing around...
[02:18] <thebartman> I found osX is great and can do all the linux stuff I need it to
[02:19] <jroc> thanks mikep - I found the traceroute in the networking applet, and since we're in the same subnet, it's only one hope
[02:19] <jroc> hop
[02:19] <r0sk> thebartman, Im a non_quite mind
[02:19] <r0sk> :D
[02:19] <Igotascrewlose> okay wtf
[02:19] <Igotascrewlose> i did the gdesklets& thing
[02:19] <thebartman> non_quite?
[02:19] <Igotascrewlose> and loaded all my gdesklets
[02:19] <JordanAU> crimsun: i downoaded this file <linux-2.6.8.1.tar.gz> on my windows boot and was going to tar it, is that wrong?
[02:19] <Igotascrewlose> and then
[02:19] <r0sk> thebartman, my english is like a hell, u can see :/
[02:19] <Igotascrewlose> closed the terminal
[02:19] <Igotascrewlose> and they all shut down
[02:20] <crimsun> JordanAU: that's upstream vanilla source
[02:20] <thebartman> oh.. you where doing good till the last one.. and ya lost me.. where ya from
[02:20] <crimsun> JordanAU: you can just apt-get install linux-source-2.6.8.1
[02:20] <JordanAU> i really want to but i need to get on the internet first, i am in a catch 22
[02:20] <crimsun> JordanAU: what's preventing you from getting online?
[02:21] <JordanAU> i am on wireless, the reason i am trying to get the source is for ndiswrapper
[02:21] <mikep> jroc: how about firewalls?
[02:21] <JordanAU> i was able to obtain the deb package and install it but apparently i need my kernel source and must link it something before the installation
[02:21] <thebartman> r0sk.. where are you from?
[02:22] <r0sk> How can I start without X (gdm) from lilo line?
[02:22] <crimsun> JordanAU: well, since you're online now, you'll find the instructions here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper
[02:22] <r0sk> thebartman, spanish
[02:22] <thebartman> cool.. good luck.. I don't know much about the ppc side
[02:22] <crimsun> JordanAU: in particular, scroll down to the bottom of the page and read the post entitled "It's not that hard"
[02:23] <jroc> mikep: yeah, thought of that, but we don't think there should be any firewall problem, as we're both on the inside of my Linksys 4port router
[02:23] <crimsun> JordanAU: you don't have to compile anything
[02:23] <mikep> jroc: how about correctly-configured and operational TCP/IP network?
[02:24] <kapputu> how does Ubuntu perform as a server?
[02:24] <JordanAU> crimsun: thank you, i have done that before and it tells me there is no command called ndis wrapper
[02:24] <kapputu> how does Ubuntu perform as a server
[02:24] <thebartman> so how can I configure Ubuntu to work with WAP
[02:24] <crimsun> JordanAU: did you follow the directions?
[02:25] <thebartman> kapputu.. what.. fine I guess.. if you like using a really new distro that's not really that proven in the server environment.. but since you ask I'll assume your not running a data server or anythihng
[02:26] <usual> oooo gnome 2.10 in hoary
[02:26] <jroc> mikep: well, I believe so - we're both ubuntu machines, and I can ssh or ftp back and forth...
[02:26] <JordanAU> crimsun: okay i think i installed the source package, not the utils package
[02:26] <chillywilly> was 2.10 officially released?
[02:26] <JordanAU> does that make sense?
[02:27] <usual> chillywilly, dunno
[02:27] <mikep> jroc: can you telnet to the server port from the client machine?
[02:27] <chillywilly> I looked on gnome.org and it did not seem so
[02:27] <jroc> mikep: good idea, I'll try that
[02:27] <Xappe> feels close though, a whole bunch of 2.10.0 packages popped in today
[02:28] <chillywilly> yea that's why I was looking
[02:28] <daniels> kapputu: fine -- it has security support, and everything works
[02:28] <usual> lol @ gnome.org
[02:28] <usual> go to gnome.org
[02:28] <daniels> *.ubuntu.com runs on ubuntu
[02:29] <chillywilly> makes*
[02:29] <usual> chillywilly, did you look at the site
[02:29] <chillywilly> um, yea that's what I just frellin' said
[02:29] <usual> they changed it to all black
[02:29] <chillywilly> aaaah
[02:30] <chillywilly> they are protesting against software patents
[02:30] <chillywilly> good for them
[02:31] <JordanAU> you know what, I am going to go to walmart and buy a freaking long cat 5 cable and connect to my router that way, then i will download the necessary package, then i will use my wifi card. That way I can use all of the howtos because my current situation renders them useless.
[02:31] <jroc> mikep: no joy telnetting to the port that I *think* was opened up by the vnc server (it could only be 5901 or 6001)
[02:31] <chillywilly> walmart is evil ;)
[02:31] <neom> I agree.
[02:32] <neom> :)
[02:32] <JordanAU> walmart is also cheap
[02:32] <Zugot> JordanAU, i just resorted to installing windows xp on my laptop and running linux in a vmware session
[02:32] <r0sk> when I start ubuntu, X are up and I get a Blank Screen, with Ctrl+Alt+F1,F2... no console (iBook), any tip???
[02:32] <Zugot> it actually worked out well
[02:32] <chillywilly> JordanAU: because they exploit poorer countries
[02:32] <schweeb> anyone here messed with setting up Xen on Ubuntu yet?
[02:32] <JordanAU> they don't exploit them, those people make more money than they would if walmart wasn't there
[02:32] <thebartman> after using synaptic update, why dosn't firefox update to version 1.0? or 1.0.1
[02:33] <schweeb> thebartman: because 1.0 isn't in Warty
[02:33] <JordanAU> what is the politically correct place to go?
[02:33] <thebartman> hmm.. is there a repository I can add to add it
[02:33] <chillywilly> support local business damnit
[02:33] <chillywilly> :)
[02:33] <knucks> who can help me with my printer problems
[02:34] <schweeb> thebartman: I think someone set up a repo somewhere, check the wiki
[02:34] <back_east> thebartman: for firefox?
[02:34] <OrangeSlice> local business here only does windows :o
[02:34] <JordanAU> i would love to but there isn't much of any small computer stores in auburn, AL
[02:34] <thebartman> ya.. and what's the wiki?
[02:34] <back_east> thebartman: ubuntu-backports
[02:34] <Quarupt> Is running a webserver very difficult? is there any like GUI or sript to help configure one?
[02:34] <Zugot> i think the firefox thing is what prompted my to start using hoary
[02:34] <JordanAU> plus the only one has a guy that dresses up in a superman costume on the commercials. I just can't support a man that makes an ass of himself like that
[02:35] <knucks> Help w/ printer?
[02:35] <knucks> on Hoary?
[02:35] <knucks> please?
[02:35] <knucks> I need to get it working..for some reason it wont show up
[02:35] <r0sk> when I start ubuntu, X are up and I get a Blank Screen, with Ctrl+Alt+F1,F2... no console (iBook), any tip???
[02:35] <r0sk> when I start ubuntu, X are up and I get a Blank Screen, with Ctrl+Alt+F1,F2... no console (iBook), any tip???
[02:35] <Quest-Master> Quarupt: It's quite easy actually.
[02:35] <Quarupt> Quest-Master, would you be willing to walk me through it in a pm maybe?
[02:35] <chillywilly> damn red states ;)
[02:36] <Zugot> i need to figure out how to get the cisco vpn client with no cco login
[02:36] <Zugot> this is bananas
[02:36] <helio7> I have a friend installing Ubuntu for the first time and he has a 2ndary internal HDD that he wants to put it on (not where Windows lives) He wants to preserve the data, so I told him he needs to partition it first.   Would people recommend he use the Ubuntu Install Disk to manage the partition or use another app to do that prior to installation?
[02:36] <Quarupt> chillywilly, are you dissing on the republican party?
[02:36] <Quest-Master> Quarupt: There is a guide on it at ubuntuforums.org.. do you want me to link you?
[02:36] <Quarupt> please do
[02:36] <Zugot> i'm going to wear my red shirt teeshirt tomorrow
[02:36] <Zugot> hahaha
[02:36] <chillywilly> can I get a hell yea?
[02:36] <thebartman> should I change this setting in firefox "network.dns.ipv4onlydomains"
[02:36] <Zugot> er red state tee shirt
[02:36] <libpng> r0sk, i think ur gdm, gdmgreeter etc, are not working currectly
[02:36] <thebartman> would that make firefox use ipv4 on everything
[02:36] <Quarupt> Screw kerry id rather follow a war monger then an ambulance chaser
[02:37] <back_east> thebartman: They have newer packages for warty
[02:37] <r0sk> libpng, is there any tip to stop before it runs?
[02:37] <Quarupt> hell yea
[02:37] <Zugot> fuck that..
[02:37] <crimsun> folks, let's keep it on-topic, please.
[02:37] <Zugot> i work in dc... i wouldn't vote bush or republican
[02:37] <Quarupt> sorry
[02:37] <OrangeSlice> actually, the only day I had time to get one of those shirts they were all out :p
[02:37] <Zugot> i'm gonna vote ubuntu in 2008
[02:37] <schweeb> please no Political talk
[02:38] <eyequeue> schweeb:  agreed
[02:38] <schweeb> politics on IRC can only lead to bad things
[02:38] <femv> people... which kernel should i install ?
[02:38] <OrangeSlice> hehe
[02:38] <crimsun> femv: warty? hoary? the current one doesn't suit you?
[02:38] <helio7> Anyone please recommend a Opensource/free partition manager that's easier to use than the Warty Install disk built-in partioner??
[02:38] <Zugot> the latest hoary linux-686 crashes my vmware session
[02:38] <back_east> helio7: qtparted
[02:38] <eyequeue> femv:  2.6.*   which ubuntu are you running?
[02:38] <chillywilly> qtparted
[02:38] <Quarupt> Quest-Master, did ya find that url for me?
[02:39] <helio7> back_east: qtparted is bootable CD or WIN or NIx?
[02:39] <tux_> qtparted on the knoppix disk
[02:39] <Quarupt> will i need an ftp server as well?
[02:39] <femv> im installing warty, linux-image-386  linux-image-2.6 or linux-386
[02:39] <Quarupt> tux_, you mean the morphix disk?
[02:39] <crimsun> femv: what cpu do you have?
[02:39] <Zugot> linux-386 is a metapackage... it installs other things
[02:39] <tux_> Quarupt, that too
[02:39] <Quarupt> lol
[02:39] <femv> its an amd
[02:39] <back_east> Quarupt: you mean the sytem rescue cd
[02:39] <crimsun> femv: linux-image-2.6.8.1-5-k7
[02:39] <back_east> http://www.sysresccd.org/
[02:39] <QMario> Did anyone miss me?
[02:40] <eyequeue> femv:  2.6.8.1, but what crimsun said
[02:40] <tux_> heck also he ultimatebootcd too
[02:40] <Quarupt> lol, no u is the Ultimate CD for rescue
[02:40] <Zugot> i've been using linux for 10 years...
[02:40] <Zugot> and i would have no idea where to start debugging a kernel
[02:40] <Zugot> i find that funny
[02:40] <femv> i have linux-image-2.6.8.1-3-386 or just linux-image-2.6-386
[02:40] <Quarupt> why bother
[02:40] <Quarupt> just install a new one
[02:40] <Zugot> Quarupt, i want to see why its hanging
[02:41] <crimsun> femv: either will work
[02:41] <back_east> Nothing in the logs?
[02:41] <Zugot> its a bad hang... when it happens, vmware goes south as well, and then i have to reboot
[02:41] <Xappe> anyone here uses hoary with an g3 ibook? i want to know if the install/setup is easy and if suspend and such is working...
[02:41] <Zugot> i have an amd64 laptop
[02:41] <MagicFab> hello to all
[02:41] <crimsun> femv: you can always install linux-image-2.6.8.1-5-k7 and linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-5-k7 after you install
[02:41] <Quarupt> Zugot, whats hanging?
[02:41] <femv> linux-386 sounds good?
[02:41] <MagicFab> I need some help with a printer setup
[02:41] <crimsun> femv: sure
[02:41] <Zugot> quarupt.. boots right at the beginng of the boot
[02:41] <QMario> I read the Linux portion and I still don't understand how to share the printer over the network.
[02:41] <Zugot> before it starts the init process
[02:41] <femv> ty
[02:41] <Quarupt> hrm
[02:42] <libpng> r0sk, same happened to me. i opened with kernel rescue mod,  changed initlevel. then reinstall gdm . it was fixed
[02:42] <Zugot> er crashes right as the beginning of the boot
[02:42] <Quest-Master> Quarupt: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3657&highlight=set+development+server
[02:42] <Quarupt> ya check your atrtup logs?>
[02:42] <Quarupt> thx Quest-Master
[02:42] <MagicFab> I want to print to a network printer, can't seem to find what info I need to input in U.
[02:42] <femv> Im doing a custom-expert install to save hd space :)
[02:42] <r0sk> libpng, how can I open with kernel rescue mod?
[02:42] <Zugot> i'm about to install a fresh hoary on another vm... and if i can crash it again
[02:42] <helio7> so tux_ and back_east, this qtparted is much easier to use than the Partitioning tool that is built into the Warty Install CD?
[02:42] <Xappe> QMario, printer sharing is very easy...you just have to make a couple of changes in your cupsd.conf iirc
[02:42] <libpng> you can select on boot screen
[02:42] <QMario> What about Partition Magic 8.0?
[02:42] <libpng> r0sk, you can select on boot screen
[02:42] <Zugot> i like pm 8.0
[02:42] <tux_> helio7, imho
[02:43] <andrewski> helio7: what about gparted?
[02:43] <r0sk> libpng, I'd only Linux and old, but old doesn't run
[02:43] <r0sk> :(
[02:43] <helio7> andrewski: I'm asking if qtparted is easier to use than the Warty install partioner for a friend who's trying Linux for the first time today
[02:44] <Xappe> the warty install partitioner is very easy imho
[02:44] <Zugot> Xappe, I agree
[02:44] <Quarupt> Quest-Master, thats for setting up a "development web server"? I just want a plain old webserver to practive my html and post pics and stuff?
[02:44] <revildab> Xappe: the only fault i have is the default options. ie: full reformat of hd, that can be very dangerous in the hands of novice users
[02:44] <libpng> r0sk, on grub menu, type e (edit) and edit the line like that "kernel		/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-2-386 root=/dev/hda9 ro single" than type "b" (boot)
[02:45] <r0sk> libpng, Im on iBook, yaboot
[02:45] <libpng> r0sk, hda9 is mine not urs:) dont forget
[02:45] <QMario> How do I unrpm files using Ubuntu, so I can upgrade my OpenOffice Software?
[02:45] <Xappe> revildab, well, that's even the case of a windows install
[02:45] <mikep> jroc: have you specified the address correctly to the viewer?
[02:45] <Quarupt> QMario, you mean like convert an RPM to a DEB?
[02:46] <Zugot> "unrpm?"
[02:46] <JordanAU> Wow I come back and I had started a minor political off topic flame war and didn't even know it. Unintentional troll, is that an oxymoron
[02:46] <JordanAU> ?
[02:46] <QMario> Something similar to that.
[02:46] <Zugot> that reminds me... i need to test openoffice2 out
[02:46] <revildab> QMario: just use apt-get install package
[02:46] <Quarupt> QMario, use alien with the --to-deb  flag
[02:46] <knucks> someone help me with my printer?
[02:46] <QMario> "Unrpm" similar to unzip:-D
[02:46] <revildab> unless its something only available in an rpm
[02:46] <Quarupt> QMario, no he wants to use RPM
[02:46] <QMario> Somewhat of a joke.
[02:46] <andrewski> helio7: ah. :)
[02:46] <femv> People.. i did install the base system... now will apt-get install ubuntu-desktop install gnome and the graphical stuff ???
[02:47] <Quarupt> QMario, use alien if ya want to convert RPM to DEB
[02:47] <QMario> The OpenOffice upgrade to 2.0, but I'll try your advice.
[02:47] <libpng> r0sk, i dont ve any idea about ibook. i ve never seen :(
[02:47] <revildab> Xappe: yeah i know, but windows was never intended to be dual booted, for a large percentage of linux users, thats the case
[02:47] <r0sk> libpng, ok, thanks!
[02:47] <Quarupt> Quest-Master, Ya there?
[02:47] <usual> yay gnome is 2.10 in hoary, i just loaded it up
[02:48] <Quarupt> hey usual up for another adventure?
[02:48] <Quarupt> heh
[02:48] <usual> haha
[02:48] <usual> whats up
[02:48] <thebartman> is there a repository I can add to install fireofx 1.0
[02:48] <eyequeue> The_Nalf:  see the wiki for the backports project
[02:48] <usual> http://www.transamrit.net/~usual/Screenshot.png
[02:48] <Quarupt> trying to get a webserver up and running, but i have no clue what im doing, im following a guide
[02:48] <usual> yay
[02:48] <dougcan> Hi Funny you should mention that, cuz I just added firefox 1.02
[02:48] <usual> Quarupt, it's cake
[02:48] <andrewski> thebartman: backports, what eyequeue said. ;)
[02:48] <usual> want LAMP?
[02:48] <eyequeue> thebartman:  rather
[02:48] <femv> People.. i did install the base system... now will apt-get install ubuntu-desktop install gnome and the graphical stuff ???
[02:49] <Quarupt> can ya come on and help me?
[02:49] <usual> ok
[02:49] <Quarupt> i will learn by watching again
[02:49] <usual> ok
[02:49] <Quarupt> if ya have time
[02:49] <usual> off router?
[02:49] <usual> i have about 20 min should be enough
[02:49] <Quarupt> but this time i need to figure out port forwarding
[02:49] <usual> ok
[02:49] <Quarupt> heh
[02:49] <usual> just for quick
[02:49] <ukilledkenny> question: how do i get the windows on the panel to stop compressing themselves?
[02:49] <Quarupt> maybe 20 mins wont be enough time
[02:49] <Quarupt> what time ya gunna be back
[02:49] <usual> forward everything from 5000 to 6000
[02:49] <usual> to your address
[02:50] <eyequeue> femv:  right
[02:50] <revildab> Quarupt: http://www.portforward.com/ will give you a step by step guide for your router, if thats what you're looking for
[02:51] <dougcan> I have a problem, when I start firefox, i get a gecko window wiht the message "title=&mainwindow.title"
[02:51] <dougcan> and no browser
[02:52] <dougcan> any fix for this?  I completly uninstalled firefox and reinstalled it
[02:52] <eyequeue> dougcan:  mv ~/.mozilla ~/.saved  and restart it
[02:53] <Quarupt> Anyone know what ports need to be forwarded fo using the remote desktop service in Ubuntu?
[02:53] <eyequeue> dougcan:  i'm guessing you have munged files under that tree
[02:53] <manco> is there any way I would be able to tell what array I'm using post install?
[02:54] <dougcan> thanks, i'll try that
[02:54] <eyequeue> dougcan:  you will of course temporarily lose any settings
[02:54] <QMario> What is the command to remove a file locked under root?
[02:55] <eyequeue> QMario:  rm
[02:55] <libpng> QMario, sudo rm
[02:55] <QMario> Thank you.
[02:55] <QMario> :)
[02:56] <QMario> How do I install all packages under a folder that end in a .rpm file?
[02:57] <borgista> QMario, use alien to convert them
[02:57] <ghostfreeman_> what's the terminal command to find out what kernel you're running?
[02:57] <borgista> it doesn't always work well though
[02:57] <manco> could someone please tell me the address of the hoary updates?
[02:57] <QMario> Can you convert all at once?
[02:57] <eyequeue> QMario:  not advisible to use rpms with ubuntu
[02:57] <borgista> yes
[02:57] <farruinn> ghostfreeman_: uname -r
[02:57] <borgista> eyequeue is right
[02:57] <helio7> Does anyone know of a way to get Gthumb to auto-rotate photos based on EXIF info?  Alternately how about a script that uses Jtran to rotate AND strip exif rotate info?
[02:57] <ghostfreeman_> thanks
[02:57] <QMario> Why not?
[02:57] <eyequeue> QMario:  why not use the native debs?
[02:57] <QMario> Such as what?
[02:58] <borgista> .rpms are meant for other distrobutions.
[02:58] <borgista> use .deb
[02:58] <eyequeue> QMario:  because they make erroneous assumptions about your system, such as paths
[02:58] <borgista> distributions*
[02:58] <QMario> Oh....
[02:58] <ghostfreeman_> How would I install a new kernel on top of the one I have now?
[02:58] <borgista> to install deb: $ sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[02:58] <eyequeue> ghostfreeman_:  more like "next to"
[02:58] <QMario> Then how do I install the newest version of OpenOffice if it is a .rpm file?
[02:58] <borgista> ghostfreeman...what kernel are you trying install?
[02:59] <ghostfreeman_> 686-smp since I have Hyper threading
[02:59] <ukilledkenny> question: print screen button not working ... error message: There was an error running "gnome-panel-screenshot":
[02:59] <ukilledkenny> Failed to execute child process "gnome-panel-screenshot" (No such file or directory).
[02:59] <eyequeue> ghostfreeman_:  apt-get install it, typically
[02:59] <borgista> ghostfreeman, get the kernel via apt-get or synpatics
[02:59] <ghostfreeman_> do I need to reboot system, Gnome?
[02:59] <borgista> i use the same kernel.
[02:59] <rriche> anyone know of a better IM client then GaIM?   GAIMs notifications are lacking.
[02:59] <borgista> ghostfreeman, reboot into the kernel.
[02:59] <eyequeue> ghostfreeman_:  after installing a new kernel, that's about the one time you'd reboot linux, yes :)
[02:59] <ghostfreeman_> as in the whole system, not just Gnome
[03:00] <borgista> yes, ghostfreeman
[03:00] <eyequeue> right
[03:00] <crimsun> Quarupt: please keep support questions here, thanks.
[03:00] <ghostfreeman_> ok, thanks
[03:00] <crimsun> Quarupt: are you using vino?
[03:00] <Quarupt> I asked here numerous times
[03:00] <Quarupt> I dunno, im just using the app in the menu called remote desktop
[03:01] <rriche> hrrm, rephrase.. is there a multi-protocol instant messenger client that supports flashing bars when you receive new messages?  if that window is minimized..
[03:01] <thebartman> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-6841.html
[03:01] <ukilledkenny> someone help... print screen button not working
[03:01] <eruin> rriche: gnome-panel doesn't support it
[03:01] <thebartman> oh wow.. this fixed my slow DNS problem
[03:01] <thebartman> !!!
[03:01] <eruin> rriche: gaim does.
[03:02] <borgista> ukilledkenny, you need to set that up via GNOME
[03:02] <borgista> it's not automatic.
[03:02] <eyequeue> rriche:  you could probably run a cli client under screen, and tell it to flash rather than beep?
[03:02] <Quarupt> crimsun, so...?
[03:02] <crimsun> Quarupt: that's vino. It begins with a base port # of 5900/tcp
[03:02] <ukilledkenny> borgista, how do i set it up
[03:02] <crimsun> Quarupt: thus, you must forward at least 5900
[03:02] <borgista> go to keyboard shortcuts in the menu
[03:02] <eyequeue> eruin:  gaim does not here
[03:02] <borgista> you'll see the option there.
[03:02] <Quarupt> so whcih ports?
[03:02] <Quarupt> exactly?
[03:03] <ukilledkenny> borgista, thanx
[03:03] <rriche> eyequeue: sorry.. speaking a lil over my head.
[03:03] <QMario> Who upgraded their OpenOffice software recently?
[03:03] <rriche> eruin: i dont think gaim has that support.. or is it that i use gnome.. which doesnt support that feature?
[03:03] <borgista> I haven't QMario. I'll just wait for the .debs
[03:03] <Quarupt> just that one?
[03:03] <eyequeue> rriche:  okay, this is probably not a solution you'd like, but i'll present it, okay?
[03:03] <borgista> It's often better to wait.
[03:03] <crimsun> Quarupt: yes
[03:03] <borgista> Better stability
[03:03] <QMario> When do they come along?
[03:03] <GammaRay> QMario: you did?
[03:03] <rriche> eyequeue: sure.
[03:03] <QMario> No.
[03:03] <GammaRay> doh
[03:03] <QMario> I tried but they were all in .rpm format.
[03:04] <borgista> Yeah, I saw that too QMario.
[03:04] <eyequeue> rriche:  a commandline, non-graphical client, running in a terminal under an app called "screen", you could tell screen to flash the screen rather than provide an audible beep
[03:04] <borgista> damn redhat.
[03:04] <ukilledkenny> borgista, it shows print beside "Take a screenshot" but the error message is still displayed
[03:04] <QMario> What's wrong with RedHat?
[03:04] <eyequeue> rriche:  it's about the only way i can think of to really force a flash
[03:04] <rriche> eyequeue: oh.. gotcha.. i have used screen before.
[03:04] <borgista> I mean, I hate how their packaging takes precedence.
[03:04] <GammaRay> borgista: perhaps you should list all the other distros that use rpm also :-P
[03:04] <borgista> i should then
[03:05] <borgista> :-|
[03:05] <rriche> eyequeue: yah.. that will be a last resort.. just dont like missing messages due to poor notification :)
[03:05] <rriche> thx
[03:05] <QMario> Yahoo Messanger does
[03:05] <dougcan> eyequeue, is the folder I need to rename at /usr/lib/mozilla?  I cannot find any ".mozilla"
[03:05] <eyequeue> rriche:  i think "everybuddy" might be such a client, though i never used it
[03:05] <QMario> Messenger
[03:05] <Quarupt> crimsun, its only one port?
[03:05] <crimsun> Quarupt: vino-server is, yes
[03:05] <borgista> I'm on a mandrake machine using KDE, and it's so annoying. So I'm just generally annoyed. Didn't mean to flame-bait
[03:05] <eyequeue> dougcan:  ls -lad ~/.m*
[03:06] <QMario> Why don't you switch to GNOME?
[03:06] <libpng> i ve never seen a slow system than redhat or fedora:)
[03:06] <borgista> This is not my machine.
[03:06] <Quarupt> i doubt anyone would know the default address for the http interface on a linksys router?
[03:06] <QMario> Oh
[03:06] <eyequeue> dougcan:  it should be a dot(hidden) directory in your users home directory
[03:06] <QMario> Not me.
[03:06] <ukilledkenny> borgista, stil not working
[03:06] <ukilledkenny> still*
[03:06] <crimsun> let's keep desktop environment wars out, please :-)
[03:06] <QMario> Who had their printer shared on their network?
[03:07] <QMario> I still need help with that problem.
[03:07] <QMario> Sorry Steve.:(
[03:07] <libpng> Quarupt, may be 192.168.1.1 or 10.0.0.2
[03:08] <andrewski> Quarupt: i think it's 192.168.1.1
[03:08] <eyequeue> dougcan:  ls -lad ~/.m* (says to LiSt all files, including dotted hidden ones, in the long format, and directory names-only, in your $HOME, beginning with dot-m)
[03:08] <ukilledkenny> someone, help me take a screenshot with the print screen button
[03:08] <GammaRay> borgista: I find ubuntu and mandrake equally annoying sofar
[03:08] <eruin> eyequeue, rriche: gaim does support the urgent hint. there has been a gnome-bug discussion going on since 2003 about getting support for it in gnome-panel
[03:08] <QMario> It doesn't work.
[03:08] <libpng> Quarupt, or 10.0.0.1 or 10.1.1.1 :)
[03:08] <rriche> eruin: ahh.
[03:08] <QMario> PrintScrn is useless.
[03:08] <borgista> ukilledkenny, did you try what i told you?
[03:08] <ukilledkenny> yeh
[03:08] <dougcan> Duh, i feel stupid, of course I forgot about the hidden files
[03:08] <eyequeue> eruin:  ah.  i just went based on personal experience with it :)
[03:08] <ukilledkenny> gave me an error message
[03:09] <schweeb> I've not seen a single consumer router that uses the 10.x private network
[03:09] <Quarupt> thx
[03:09] <ukilledkenny> There was an error running "gnome-panel-screenshot":
[03:09] <ukilledkenny> Failed to execute child process "gnome-panel-screenshot" (No such file or directory).
[03:09] <dougcan> Thanks eyequeue, that fixed it firefox is up and running!
[03:09] <eyequeue> eruin:  i agree with the bug apparently, it would be valuable here
[03:09] <borgista> maybe you don't have that program.
[03:09] <eyequeue> dougcan:  glad to help
[03:09] <eruin> eyequeue: you're definately not the only one :P
[03:09] <borgista> which is odd.
[03:09] <eruin> what's up with polypaudio?
[03:09] <eruin> it uses 10% of my cpu constantly when in use
[03:09] <QMario> Can anyone anwser my inquery?
[03:10] <dougcan> gotta go back to work, much thanks for your help eyequeue
[03:10] <eyequeue> QMario:  the printer one?  if so, i can't sorry, no printer here
[03:10] <eyequeue> dougcan:  take care
[03:10] <ukilledkenny> any alternate ways to take screenshots
[03:10] <crimsun> eruin: would you describe the "problem" in more detail, please?
[03:11] <eruin> anyone else seeing excessive polypaudio cpu use?
[03:11] <eruin> crimsun: well, I don't know.. I just see that top reports it using ~10% more or less constantly
[03:11] <Xappe> QMario, what do you want to do? share a printer?
[03:12] <crimsun> eruin: barely budges 2% here
[03:12] <carl> how do I redirect md5sum -vc md5sum.txt output to a file?
[03:12] <libpng> eruin, it using 0.7 here
[03:12] <libpng> and 1 k ram
[03:12] <crimsun> although gnome-cd is chewing a less than negligible amt
[03:12] <eyequeue> carl command > output.txt
[03:12] <eruin> crimsun: 7976 eruin     15   0  7252 1812 1224 S 12.3  0.4  16:15.51 polypaudio   <-- like that since I got into x and started using rbox
[03:12] <carl> eyequeue, no good
[03:12] <sprongie> ugh.  anyone using kde?
[03:13] <carl> eyequeue,  that works on my FC2 box, but apparently ubuntu installs a md5sum that doesn't send the output to stdout
[03:13] <eyequeue> carl:  how not?  is the output you're trying for perhpas on STDERR rather than STDOUT?
[03:13] <eruin> crimsun: any useful way I could debug?
[03:13] <sprongie> all my kcontrol applets except ggz and digikam went byebye
[03:13] <eyequeue> carl:  eww, hang on a sec
[03:13] <ukilledkenny> anyone know a way a take a screenshot without PrtSC
[03:13] <LinuxJones> sprongie, there is a #kubuntu channel
[03:13] <andrewski> ukilledkenny: man import
[03:14] <ukilledkenny> ?
[03:14] <crimsun> eruin: pull stats output from the polypaudio cli
[03:14] <eruin> andrewski: way to help :p
[03:14] <sprongie> there's a dead kubuntu channel.  guess i'm hosed there
[03:14] <andrewski> eruin: he'll get more info than just giving him the command....
[03:14] <eyequeue> carl:  i'm at a loss, sorry.  you're sure the file contains what -c expects it to?
[03:15] <eruin> andrewski: he'll find out how to bind printscreen to import -w root by reading man import?
[03:15] <eruin> hardly.
[03:15] <carl> eyequeue,  yup - it is the one on the hoary install cd
[03:15] <andrewski> eruin: he said "without prtsc"... ??
[03:15] <eyequeue> carl:  okay, that was the only thing that came to mind here, sorry
[03:15] <eruin> andrewski: excuse my yapping :p
[03:15] <carl> woa... the -v did it
[03:16] <carl> hmm, maybe not
[03:16] <ukilledkenny> yep without prtsc
[03:16] <Hell-Razor> can somebody help me out with cedega? it crashes whenever i try to laod it
[03:16] <ukilledkenny> no manual entry for import anyway
[03:16] <eruin> crimsun: how would I do that?
[03:16] <Quarupt> im doing port forwarding, for vino, and i was wondering what address do i forward it to? 192.168.???   ?
[03:16] <andrewski> ukilledkenny: you have imagemagick installed?
[03:16] <chillywilly> man they have so many sweet new shuttle xpc models and even a cool LCD display
[03:16] <Quarupt> crimsun, ?
[03:16] <carl> how do I redirect stderr to stdout, or a file?
[03:16] <helio7> oh praises to whoever wrote jpegtran -autorot; my life has just been simplified a hundredfold!!!
[03:16] <ukilledkenny> andrewski, no... is it a package on synaptic?
[03:16] <andrewski> ukilledkenny: yes, but you don't need it.  h/o a sec.
[03:17] <Hell-Razor> hello7 wtf is jpegt
[03:17] <eyequeue> carl:  md5sum -vc md5sum.txt 2>&1 output.txt  perhaps?
[03:17] <Quarupt> ya there crimsun ?
[03:18] <libpng> Quarupt, try 5900 tcp
[03:18] <andrewski> ukilledkenny: well, you could install it, you could use gimp, or you could use that gnome app whose name i just can't remember... :)
[03:18] <Quarupt> no i have the port
[03:18] <carl> eyequeue, there we go.  now tee gets something to chew on
[03:18] <Quarupt> i dunno what to put in the ip
[03:18] <ukilledkenny> andrewski, gnome-panel-screenshot
[03:18] <helio7> Hell-Razor: misspoke its jhead actually and it's a utility to manipulate the EXIF data embedded in digital photographs
[03:18] <Quarupt> Oh wait
[03:18] <helio7> Hell-Razor: http://www.sentex.net/~mwandel/jhead/
[03:18] <Quarupt> duh my IP
[03:18] <Quarupt> my internal ip right?
[03:18] <libpng> ur ip Quarupt
[03:18] <libpng> :)
[03:18] <libpng> Quarupt, ya
[03:18] <andrewski> ukilledkenny: ah, there it is; is that what you want?
[03:18] <Quarupt> how do i find out my internal ip? not my routers ip?
[03:19] <eyequeue> carl:  that's buried under "REDIRECTION" in the very huge "man bash" btw, if you ever need to find it again
[03:19] <libpng> Quarupt, ifconfig
[03:19] <helio7> Quarupt: ifconfig
[03:19] <Quarupt> thx
[03:19] <ukilledkenny> thats wat the error message says, it failed to execute
[03:19] <andrewski> ukilledkenny: huh?  you don't have it?
[03:20] <ukilledkenny> andrewski, so im guessin if i install it, the prtsc button would be fixed
[03:20] <crimsun> eruin: start polypaudio (it'll be undaemonized), read help or just use stats
[03:20] <andrewski> ukilledkenny: i don't think so; you'd have to bind it to a command.  i don't *think* that's done by default.
[03:20] <ukilledkenny> andrewski, im on hoary btw...
[03:20] <andrewski> ukilledkenny: hey, me too. :)  good on ya.
[03:21] <carl> eyequeue, thanks - I have been told about 2>&1 but couldn't remember where the & went
[03:21] <eyequeue> carl:  np
[03:21] <carl> eyequeue, does the description of ls > dirlist 2>&1 look right?
[03:21] <andrewski> carl: you can also do "stderrandstdout &> file"
[03:21] <ukilledkenny> andrewski, so ill have to install gnome-panel-screenshot
[03:22] <andrewski> ukilledkenny: or imagemagick.  those are the only two i know. :)
[03:22] <eruin> crimsun: stat didn't give me much info - info gave me a bit more, but you sure that's useful?
[03:22] <eyequeue> carl:  yeah, they're showing a bit of hocus pocus with redircting things in different orders.  the gotcha to keep in mind with bash commandlines is they are parsed from right to left
[03:22] <andrewski> ukilledkenny: and imagemagick is a bigger and more robust program, maybe you don't need it.
[03:22] <ukilledkenny> andrewski, u said i could use the gimp as well
[03:22] <Quarupt> can someone do me a favor and goto http://67.170.1.214 amd tell me if i set up my port forwarding correctly? should see apache page
[03:22] <libpng> ukilledkenny, whereis gnome-screenshot
[03:22] <andrewski> ukilledkenny: yes, there's a menu entry to take a screenshot.
[03:22] <carl> ah, the R to L is what messed me up
[03:22] <helio7> Quarupt: I see a Placeholder page
[03:22] <Quarupt> cool
[03:23] <ukilledkenny> andrewski, thanx a bunch
[03:23] <Quarupt> i guess it worked
[03:23] <andrewski> ukilledkenny: sure.
[03:23] <eyequeue> carl:  yeah, it's counterintuitive to english speakers
[03:23] <Quarupt> thanx
[03:23] <Hell-Razor> can somebody help me out with cedega? it crashes whenever i try to laod it
[03:23] <libpng> Quarupt, i see an Iss6.0 page. P
[03:25] <Amaranth> http://people.ubuntu.com/~jdub/2005/webcomp/brad-griffith.png is much better then the 1st place winner :/
[03:25] <Amaranth> that blue is ugly
[03:25] <eruin> who won?
[03:25] <ukilledkenny> andrewski, sorry just cant find menu entry
[03:25] <Quarupt> anyone know why CJB.net would call this address invalid? 67.170.1.214 ?
[03:25] <andrewski> ukilledkenny: h/o, i'll look.
[03:26] <eruin> Amaranth: the one you pasted looks like a blantant mozilla.org ripoff
[03:26] <andrewski> ukilledkenny: 2.2?
[03:26] <Amaranth> hey, go with what works :P
[03:26] <Amaranth> http://people.ubuntu.com/~jdub/2005/webcomp/ubuntu-concept-expanded.png <--first place
[03:26] <Amaranth> i like the colors on the ubuntu one better then the mozilla site
[03:26] <ukilledkenny> andrewski, yep
[03:26] <crimsun> Quarupt: no idea, but it's certainly valid.
[03:27] <eruin> Amaranth: you've gotta be kidding me ;)
[03:27] <Quarupt> lol, nevermind there was a space at the end
[03:27] <Quarupt> duh
[03:27] <andrewski> ukilledkenny: it used to be in the file menu; i couldn't find it either, but it's in file | acquire | screen shot. :)
[03:27] <eyequeue> it even has a reverse dns
[03:27] <ukilledkenny> andrewski, awsome
[03:27] <Quarupt> is there any good web editors like dreamweaver for linux?
[03:27] <ukilledkenny> andrewski, im retarded
[03:27] <eyequeue> vim?
[03:27] <andrewski> does what that lady on the top of the picture is wearing freak anyone else out, or is it me?
[03:27] <Amaranth> eruin: the mozilla site is too cluttered, too
[03:28] <andrewski> ukilledkenny: nonsense.
[03:28] <Quarupt> doesnt openoffice.org have one?
[03:28] <andrewski> Amaranth: is there some sort of site redesign happening?
[03:28] <Hell-Razor> can somebody help me out with cedega? it crashes whenever i try to load it
[03:28] <Amaranth> andrewski: I guess so.
[03:28] <crimsun> it's not quite dreamweaver, but it suffices for very basic editing
[03:28] <eyequeue> andrewski:  the red top?
[03:28] <Hell-Razor> crimsun: gimp?
[03:28] <andrewski> eyequeue: yeah. :/
[03:28] <jdub> Amaranth: the final result will be a combination of the three
[03:28] <ukilledkenny> andrewski, although... it doesnt take an actual screen of the desktop and such
[03:28] <Amaranth> As long as they get rid of that blue in the header on the winner it'll be decent.
[03:28] <crimsun> Hell-Razor: OOo
[03:28] <andrewski> ukilledkenny: what's it do?
[03:29] <Amaranth> Anything is better then what you have now. :P
[03:29] <eyequeue> andrewski:  i guess i don't see whatever you do about it
[03:29] <ukilledkenny> just of the gimp window
[03:29] <Hell-Razor> crimsun: OOOo?
[03:29] <crimsun> Hell-Razor: openoffice
[03:29] <Amaranth> I wish I had had steady net access over the last month, I would have entered.
[03:29] <Quarupt> jdub, howcome when i type my ip address in an html browser i can see the placeholder page but when i try quarupt.cjb.net i dont?
[03:29] <libpng> Quarupt, im using nvu but not good as dreamweaver
[03:29] <ukilledkenny> andrewski, no i got it
[03:29] <ukilledkenny> andrewski, thanx
[03:29] <Quarupt> nvu, ill try it
[03:29] <andrewski> eyequeue: well, the top (and the angle) are a bit revealing and let's just say if you look closely, you can see a bit much... especially compouned by the angle again.
[03:29] <andrewski> ukilledkenny: ;P
[03:30] <eyequeue> andrewski:  /me fires up zoom, heh
[03:30] <crimsun> Quarupt: because  quarupt.cjb.net has address 216.194.70.4
[03:30] <Quarupt> weird
[03:30] <andrewski> eyequeue: just seems a bit unpolished for the main logo picture.  it's worse (larger) on the gdm login screen.
[03:30] <Quarupt> thats not the addres i gave it
[03:30] <eyequeue> andrewski:  in the various ubuntu-calendar desktop images, she wears less
[03:30] <Quarupt> i musta did something wrong
[03:30] <jordanau> crimsun, My wireless is now working thank you for your help
[03:30] <crimsun> jordanau: np, good to hear
[03:31] <andrewski> eyequeue: hmm. :/
[03:31] <rriche> any of you play world of warcraft? runs pretty decent through cedega :)
[03:32] <eyequeue> andrewski:  btw, you do know you can change that gdm login screen, right?  there's a human and another variant on human, one without the trio
[03:32] <Quarupt> libpng, where can i dind this nvu, cant seem to locate with apt-cache
[03:32] <jordanau> crimsun, sorry i drove you nuts earlier, BTW if you are wondering how i did it, i moved my computer into a different room and then connected directly to the router and then followed the instructions you pointed me to
[03:32] <ernstp> getting a lot of these in my terminal:
[03:32] <ernstp> failed to read() from server connection
[03:32] <ernstp> end from FAM server connection
[03:32] <phester> any one know a good FTP client with ssl auth?
[03:32] <andrewski> eyequeue: no, i know.  i just tried out my options before.  IIRC it doesn't even default to the person one...
[03:32] <ernstp> phester, gftp's got most of it
[03:32] <crimsun> phester: lftp, too
[03:32] <phester> ok
[03:32] <libpng> Quarupt, http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[03:33] <eyequeue> andrewski:  i found a nice space one i use here now, but i use the standard ones on installs i do for others
[03:33] <Quarupt> libpng, are you telling me its not packaged?
[03:33] <Amaranth> andrewski: iirc the betas defaulted to it
[03:33] <Amaranth> and the gdm login screen had it
[03:33] <andrewski> eyequeue: yeah, i just use the default.  ah, Amaranth.
[03:33] <ernstp> and no /dev/inotify!
[03:33] <eyequeue> andrewski:  and i agree, i didn't use the people one in the install i did for a greatgrandmother :)
[03:33] <rriche> hrrm.. might try out enlightment .. anyone use?
[03:33] <libpng> yes. i ve downloaded it from extra repositeries
[03:33] <rriche> enlightenment rather
[03:33] <andrewski> eyequeue: i'm reading about this calendar thing, and i can see perhaps why they would leave something like that in.
[03:34] <andrewski> rriche: lots of eyecandy, but not too useful.  have you tried out xfce?
[03:34] <eyequeue> andrewski:  she loves the definition of ubuntu and philosophy behind it, but i figured that was too risque for her tastes
[03:34] <andrewski> eyequeue: good call. :)
[03:34] <andrewski> rriche: IMO, of course. :)
[03:35] <eyequeue> andrewski:  she's not the proverbial HNG heh
[03:35] <rriche> andrewski, hrrm.. xfce sounds familiar.. might have tried back in when i mucked with gentoo
[03:35] <andrewski> rriche: www.xfce.org, if you're interested, i'll help you get the deb repository set up.
[03:35] <ukilledkenny> whats the command for hardware stats
[03:35] <ernstp> you guys have an /dev/inotify entry on hoary?
[03:36] <rriche> sure.. let me check it out the site.. get back to you in a bit
[03:36] <libpng> rriche, there is a good how to at ubuntuforums for xfce
[03:36] <eyequeue> ukilledkenny:  you may want to cat something under the /proc tree
[03:36] <andrewski> ukilledkenny: which ones?  cat /proc/* will give you a lot...
[03:36] <rriche> rtfm is king :)
[03:36] <Schuyler> hey. having a bit of pain with the PPC port on a G4 powerbook here.
[03:36] <rriche> thx libpng
[03:36] <andrewski> ukilledkenny: gnome-system-monitor for something reminiscent of windows.
[03:36] <ukilledkenny> andrewski, thanx
[03:37] <andrewski> libpng: yes, that's true, i forgot about that.
[03:37] <Schuyler> howto links would be welcome. the install crashed, and we got a shell, but I haven't see how to get the networking up.
[03:37] <Schuyler> DHCP doesn't appear to work.
[03:37] <andrewski> i wish ubuntu's repositories would just merge the 4.2 versions...!
[03:37] <darkpentium> can anyone see this
[03:37] <andrewski> darkpentium: i don't see it.
[03:37] <Hell-Razor> darkpentium: nope
[03:37] <eyequeue> darkpentium:  no
[03:37] <MMond> Sorry - nub question, what pre-installed bit torrent client does ubuntu come with?
[03:37] <darkpentium> thanks
[03:38] <Hell-Razor> darkpentium, no problem
[03:38] <andrewski> lol
[03:38] <libpng> why cant i see:)
[03:38] <darkpentium> trying to see if this works
[03:38] <ernstp> MMond, "GNOME Bittorrent"
[03:38] <MMond> thank you
[03:38] <ernstp> I'd guess it's this thing: http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=154
[03:38] <eyequeue> MMond:  sudo apt-get install bittorrent
[03:39] <helio7> any ideas why the Qtparted app on the "systemrescueCd" would only allow someone to partition their primary HDD and not a 2ndary one?
[03:40] <eyequeue> helio7:  do you perhaps have to start it with an hdb argument, like with 'fdisk hdb' ?
[03:40] <Quarupt> Why didnt i have an /opt dir?
[03:40] <rriche> libpng, yah, as per that... when it comes to configuration/installation.. google with +ubuntu usually hits some of the great ubuntu documentation for me :)
[03:40] <helio7> eyequeue: good idea, i'm a fairly new-to-linux user trying to help out a friend who's trying it for the first time
[03:41] <eyequeue> helio7:  i don't know definititely, just a suggestion
[03:41] <libpng> Quarupt, i had an by usin mkdir:)
[03:41] <neighborlee> i'm having trouble running some game devel. library examples and wondering what might be problem...ie: i'm running a example which draws meshs and textures them with GLSL and its yielding this:: GLSL not supported by OpenGL driver..any idea ???
[03:41] <andrewski> helio7: blind leading the blind, eh? :)
[03:41] <eyequeue> definitively
[03:41] <helio7> andrewski: yah isn't that often how it goes?
[03:41] <andrewski> helio7: no offense, just being funny.  keep asking us questions and we'll help if we can.
[03:42] <andrewski> helio7: yes, that's true.  i remember that's how it was when i first started with linux.  i wanted to get all my friends to use it. :)
[03:42] <helio7> andrewski: none taken at all (= i'm in a good mood trying to help him out; he tryed the shareware partition magic but apparently it doesn't do Jack
[03:42] <ukilledkenny> can i create a shortcut to my mounted usb hard drive instead of mounting every time i boot
[03:42] <rriche> andrewski: xfce looks slick.. somewhat gnome-like.. but it seems like there is more control over your toolbar sizing and placement which intrigues me.. i am liking the toolbar monitoring apps as well.
[03:42] <rriche> the next question would xfce support gaims flashing window feature? :)
[03:43] <farruinn> rriche: have you seen gaim-guifications?
[03:43] <back_east> ukilledkenny: just add it to your fstab
[03:43] <rriche> farruinn, no sirr
[03:43] <andrewski> rriche: i dunno; i don't use gaim.
[03:43] <rriche> sir
[03:43] <back_east> ukilledkenny: and it will stay in your "computer" folder
[03:44] <phantomdata> Um... how do you modify your X settings?  My modifications to "/etc/X11/XF86Config-4" don't seem to take effect; and running the suggested routine starts configuring the whole thing from square one.
[03:44] <ukilledkenny> back_east, nice, how do i add it to fstab
[03:44] <andrewski> ukilledkenny: you could follow the syntax of other entries or read the manpage...
[03:44] <andrewski> ukilledkenny: i dunno about the path info etc.
[03:45] <back_east> ukilledkenny: add a line like this to /etc/fstab
[03:45] <back_east> /dev/sda1        /media/usb_disk    auto rw,user,noauto  0       0
[03:45] <f00f_bug> my sound went out, and someone here suggested telling xmms to use esound, and that worked, but now its messing up again.. if i put it on alsa, it looks like its gonna play, but stays at 0:00, esound gives a blocked soundcard error, and oss goes really fast (without sound -- sortof like using the diskwriter plug) any suggestions? :(
[03:45] <andrewski> ukilledkenny: but back_east does. ^^^ :)
[03:45] <ukilledkenny> sda6
[03:45] <ukilledkenny> that should work
[03:45] <back_east> ukilledkenny: Yeah
[03:46] <crimsun> f00f_bug: pgrep esd; pgrep polypaudio; lsof /dev/dsp*; lsof /dev/snd/*
[03:46] <back_east> ukilledkenny: Just hack it around to fit you're situation
[03:46] <back_east> *your
[03:46] <f00f_bug> crimsun: no results
[03:47] <crimsun> f00f_bug: for _any_ of those 4 commands?
[03:47] <rriche> hey.. if you plan on doing alot of root tasks.. is it unwise to "sudo su"?
[03:47] <f00f_bug> crimsun: not one
[03:47] <OsMasterFlex> <---Problem Here
[03:47] <crimsun> rriche: it's preferable to use sudo <command>
[03:47] <OsMasterFlex> anybody know how to get the Home and End keys to actually go to the end and beginning in Terminal?
[03:47] <andrewski> how do i type that french 'c' thing?
[03:47] <ukilledkenny> back_east what would i put under <type> vfat?
[03:47] <ernstp> anyone else has problems with fam/gamin/inotify?
[03:48] <crimsun> f00f_bug: are you running hoary?
[03:48] <back_east> ukilledkenny: what is it formatted as?
[03:48] <f00f_bug> crimsun: yeah
[03:48] <crimsun> f00f_bug: is it updated?
[03:48] <rriche> crimsun: well, as long as you dont go running anything stupid.. i am talking a session of about 5 commands.. then exit :)  sudo gets anyone to prepend to everything all the time :)
[03:48] <ukilledkenny> back_east, i formatted it on windows
[03:48] <bob2> OsMasterFlex: on mac os ox?
[03:48] <f00f_bug> crimsun: yes
[03:48] <back_east> ukilledkenny: as ntfs or fat32?
[03:48] <OsMasterFlex> os
[03:48] <rriche> i can understand if sudo su in a terminal and leave it there.
[03:49] <ukilledkenny> back_east, not too sure
[03:49] <back_east> ukilledkenny: I don't know if Ubuntu can write to ntfs disks
[03:49] <crimsun> rriche: it makes more sense to use sudo -s
[03:49] <ukilledkenny> back_east , ahh that sucks
[03:49] <kapputu> I installed apache using apt
[03:50] <back_east> ukilledkenny: but if it's FAT32 then you're all set
[03:50] <kapputu> I can't find apachectl script
[03:50] <kapputu> how do I start apache
[03:50] <rriche> crimsun: oh sweet. thx.
[03:50] <crimsun> f00f_bug: System>Preferences>Sound
[03:50] <kapputu> is there a FAQ on setting up apache in ubuntu?
[03:50] <crimsun> kapputu: sudo /etc/init.d/apache start
[03:50] <crimsun> kapputu: etc.
[03:50] <OsMasterFlex> Bob2: Any Ideas??
[03:50] <ukilledkenny> back_east , how do i check what kind of file system it is, i have it mounted ...
[03:50] <crimsun> kapputu: see /usr/share/doc/apache*/
[03:51] <bob2> OsMasterFlex: this isn't an OS X help channel
[03:51] <ells> anyone familiar with qparted
[03:51] <back_east> ukilledkenny: is it mounted?
[03:51] <ukilledkenny> back_east, yeh
[03:51] <back_east> ukilledkenny: the mount command
[03:51] <plex0r_> dazed is a idiot
[03:51] <ells> anyone familiar with qparted
[03:52] <crimsun> f00f_bug: make sure the "Enable sound server startup" option in the General tab is checked
[03:52] <f00f_bug> crimsun: it is
[03:52] <OsMasterFlex> bob2: I have an Ubuntu Machine
[03:52] <kapputu> so why don't I see the default index page that you get in other distros
[03:52] <back_east> ells: fairly.  What's the question.
[03:52] <f00f_bug> crimsun: is this for esd?
[03:52] <crimsun> f00f_bug: System>Preferences>Multimedia Systems Selector>Audio>Default Sink>ESD>Test
[03:52] <Quarupt> how to mount a drd-r?
[03:52] <ells> back_east, I can open it but it wont let me resize
[03:53] <OsMasterFlex> ?
[03:53] <back_east> ells: what's the format of the partition you are trying to resize?
[03:54] <OsMasterFlex> In Terminal, does anybody know how to make the Home and End Keys, go to the beginning and end?
[03:54] <crimsun> f00f_bug: what are the results?
[03:54] <OsMasterFlex> currently they are just typing H and F
[03:54] <bob2> OsMasterFlex: why do you keep saying "terminal" then?
[03:54] <rriche> farruinn, thx man.. guifications is just what i needed
[03:54] <bob2> OsMasterFlex: do you mean "gnome-terminal"?
[03:54] <ells> back_east, the windows side
[03:54] <OsMasterFlex> as in "root terminal"
[03:54] <f00f_bug> crimsun: its not making any noises
[03:54] <ells> back_east, also, it wont let me do any linux partitions either
[03:55] <OsMasterFlex> Applications>System Tools>Terminal
[03:55] <crimsun> f00f_bug: does it give you an error?
[03:55] <f00f_bug> crimsun: no
[03:55] <libpng> ells starting it with sudo?
[03:55] <crimsun> f00f_bug: execute polypaudio in a gnome-terminal
[03:55] <OsMasterFlex> bob2:  Applications>System Tools>Terminal
[03:55] <back_east> ells: and does it give you an error message?
[03:55] <ells> naw, from the interface
[03:56] <ells> nope, the resize part is just not highlighted
[03:56] <f00f_bug> crimsun: alrigh
[03:56] <crimsun> f00f_bug: then Test again
[03:57] <back_east> ells: is that hoary or warty?
[03:57] <ells> back_east: hoary
[03:57] <back_east> ells: oh
[03:57] <ukilledkenny> back_east, ntfs it says rw beside it though
[03:57] <back_east> ukilledkenny: and you can read and write to it?
[03:57] <f00f_bug> crimsun: no sound, no error. this things had me frustrated all day
[03:57] <ukilledkenny> back_east read yes, ive been trying to write
[03:58] <crimsun> f00f_bug: cat /proc/asound/modules
[03:58] <back_east> ukilledkenny: and it complains about permissions?
[03:58] <ukilledkenny> back_east, but ill need a shortcut first
[03:58] <f00f_bug> crimsun: 0 snd_intel8x0
[03:58] <Quarupt> whats the easiest way to set-up an ftp server?
[03:58] <ells> back_east, do you think I need to set the permissions in fstab
[03:58] <back_east> ells: I don't know if I'll be able to help you with that.
[03:58] <ggeecko_> is there a way i can test the security of my box
[03:58] <Quarupt> something with a gui would be nice
[03:59] <ukilledkenny> back_east, no, ill need to create a shortcut folder for the hard-drive then try to transfer some files
[03:59] <back_east> ells: on warty when you try to start it as a normal user it says it can't find any disks.
[03:59] <Hell-Razor> can anybody here help me please? im looking to install steam under cedega 4.2.1 but it keeps on crashing ==> http://rafb.net/paste/results/Xz0Yit28.html
[03:59] <crimsun> Hell-Razor: best to ask in #cedega
[03:59] <Quarupt> try #transgaming
[03:59] <Hell-Razor> crimsun: did
[03:59] <crimsun> f00f_bug: lsmod|grep ^i810
[03:59] <ells> back_east, I cant believe it wont let me resize the partitions
[03:59] <Hell-Razor> Quarupt, tried
[03:59] <back_east> ukilledkenny: Yeah, just make a folder in /media
[04:00] <back_east> ukilledkenny: That matches the fstab entry
[04:00] <libpng> f00f_bug, do u have another module snd_intel8x0m ?
[04:00] <ukilledkenny> back_east, and mount there?
[04:00] <f00f_bug> crimsun: no output
[04:00] <back_east> ukilledkenny: yes
[04:00] <Quarupt> crimsun, can ya help me setup an ftp server?
[04:00] <f00f_bug> libpng: yes
[04:00] <ukilledkenny> back_east ill try it
[04:00] <back_east> ells: Have you checked the ubuntu forums?
[04:01] <libpng> f00f_bug, block it. if u dont use ur modem
[04:01] <crimsun> f00f_bug: dpkg -l alsa-base|grep ^ii|awk '{ print $3 }'
[04:01] <ells> naw
[04:01] <f00f_bug> crimsun: 1.0.8-4ubuntu1
[04:01] <f00f_bug> libpng: block it? im not familiar with that term
[04:02] <projectmayhem> hey everyone
[04:02] <crimsun> f00f_bug: lsmod|grep ^snd_intel8x0m
[04:02] <ggeecko_> is there a way i can i upgrade to hoary with apt-get
[04:02] <projectmayhem> I want to switch over from Fedora, i'm currently using GRUB to dual boot Fedora 3/windows
[04:02] <f00f_bug> crimsun: snd_intel8x0m          17220  0
[04:02] <libpng> f00f_bug, put "snd_intel8x0m" in /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[04:02] <plex0r> projectmayhem
[04:03] <plex0r> LOL@you.
[04:03] <f00f_bug> libpng: sure thing
[04:03] <crimsun> f00f_bug: echo "snd-intel8x0m" | sudo tee -a /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[04:03] <projectmayhem> see now that is just not very nice
[04:03] <projectmayhem> anyways
[04:03] <plex0r> i know you eric.
[04:03] <f00f_bug> crimsun: done
[04:03] <projectmayhem> will i have to reinstall grub?
[04:03] <Quarupt> anyone knoa a good ftpd with a gui or config script?
[04:03] <back_east> ells: If you select a partition the resize option stays disabled?
[04:03] <projectmayhem> plex0r?
[04:04] <crimsun> f00f_bug: pkill polypaudio
[04:04] <plex0r> yes eric?
[04:04] <ells> back_east, yes
[04:04] <projectmayhem> how you know my name?
[04:04] <plex0r> isn't that ironic?
[04:04] <plex0r> :)
[04:04] <QMario> Can anyone help me with my printing problem?
[04:04] <back_east> ells: is the partition in question mounted?
[04:04] <projectmayhem> no... its just creepy
[04:04] <f00f_bug> crimsun: ok
[04:04] <plex0r> k
[04:04] <crimsun> f00f_bug: then: sudo modprobe -r snd_intel8x0m snd_intel8x0
[04:04] <Quarupt> crimsun, can ya help me setup ftpd please?
[04:04] <ells> they should be
[04:05] <Quarupt> or maybe gimme a link to a howto
[04:05] <back_east> ells: no, they shouldn't be
[04:05] <f00f_bug> FATAL: Module snd_intel8x0 is in use.
[04:05] <crimsun> Quarupt: I'm not familiar w/ gui configs. I've used $EDITOR /etc/vsftpd.conf, etc.
[04:05] <f00f_bug> crimson: FATAL: Module snd_intel8x0 is in use.
[04:05] <projectmayhem> ok, my question is: will I be able to use my existing grub bootloader or will ubuntu install a new one?
[04:05] <delltony> is there a reason why ubuntu desktop is keyed for removale when trying to remove gnome bittorrent? isn't it apt-get remove bittorrent?
[04:05] <crimsun> f00f_bug: ok, perhaps the easiest method is simply to reboot.
[04:05] <plex0r> just write over it?
[04:06] <f00f_bug> crimsun: ok brb
[04:06] <Quarupt> crimsun, is there even a GUI config for ftpd?
[04:06] <back_east> ells: Try unmounting the partitions and running qtparted again.
[04:06] <ells> back_east, the windows one, just checked is mounted so I can view in linux
[04:06] <plex0r> you can prob use existing.
[04:06] <ells> back_east, okay
[04:06] <back_east> ells: that's the problem
[04:06] <ells> will check
[04:07] <ells> I tried the unmount command and it says command not found, what gives
[04:07] <back_east> ells: umount
[04:07] <crimsun> it's 'umount' not 'unmount'
[04:07] <ells> forgive me, I am tupid
[04:07] <back_east> ells: no, just not as experienced.
[04:08] <kapputu> is there a tutorial on setting up dyndns
[04:08] <ells> back_east, true
[04:08] <libpng> me too ells , i did an "alias unmount umount" :)
[04:08] <ells> back_east, check this outroot@steveslaptop:/media/windows # umount /media/windows
[04:08] <ells> umount: /media/windows: device is busy
[04:08] <ells> umount: /media/windows: device is busy
[04:08] <f00f_bug> crimsun: thanks it works again :] 
[04:09] <crimsun> ells: you're currently inside the mountpoint you're trying to unmount
[04:09] <back_east> ells: do you have a file from that disk open?
[04:09] <_quinton> try a lazy umount
[04:09] <_quinton> umount -l (Mountpoint)
[04:09] <back_east> ells: crimsun got it
[04:09] <ells> again, good to go
[04:09] <crimsun> f00f_bug: good.
[04:10] <back_east> _quinton: Thanks for the tip.  That always bugs me.
[04:10] <_quinton> sure
[04:10] <_quinton> it stops nautilus from reaing it, just still ties up the loos ends
[04:10] <ells> back_east, I went back into to resize the partition and still the same
[04:10] <ells> back_east, still not able to click on the icon to resize it
[04:11] <back_east> ells: did you start qtparted up fresh?
[04:11] <Xappe> anyone familiar with osx?
[04:11] <back_east> Xappe: what's up?
[04:11] <Crazy_Diamond> dali iko prica na mom jeziku
[04:11] <ells> back_east, yeap, the only icons able to click are delete, format, and set active
[04:13] <back_east> ells: well I don't know what to tell you.
[04:13] <Quarupt> Crazy_Diamond, Polska?
[04:13] <Xappe> back_east, i'm a total osx newb and i want to get rid of osx and installing ubuntu instead, BUT I need to copy some files to cd first. I tried but it resulted in a hfs cd that I can't mount in linux or windows...how do I burn files as a normal iso9660 that every os should be able to read?
[04:14] <deeznutz> hey all - need some help with ndiswrapper if anyone can assist
[04:14] <macewan> gnome2.10 is available in hoary
[04:14] <libpng> update time
[04:15] <macewan> :)
[04:16] <deeznutz> when i do dpkg -i <pkg name>.deb, where does the source get installed?
[04:16] <back_east> ells: http://gparted.sourceforge.net/screenshots.php
[04:16] <back_east> ells: is that in the hoary repos?
[04:17] <back_east> ells: it might be worth a shot.
[04:17] <ells> back_east, qtparted, yes
[04:17] <mario> back_east, yes
[04:17] <mario> gparted - partition editor for GNOME
[04:17] <back_east> mario: thanks
[04:18] <ells> back_east: I am getting gparted now
[04:18] <QMario> Why doesn't my Windows XP Professional SP2 see my printer attached to my Linux computer?
[04:18] <back_east> ells: It's worth a shot
[04:18] <ells> back_east: true
[04:18] <_quinton> enable it with Samba
[04:18] <_quinton> I really don't know how...
[04:18] <QMario> How?
[04:18] <_quinton> but look up some docs on Ubuntu
[04:18] <_quinton> sorry
[04:18] <_quinton> on Samba
[04:18] <borgista> QMario, go to www.ubuntuguide.org
[04:19] <_quinton> Actually, I would hook up the printer to your windows machine, and print in linux using samba
[04:19] <_quinton> then, neither one has a problem
[04:19] <libpng> deeznutz, u can use dpkg-query -L <paackagename>
[04:19] <Xappe> QMario, i've tried to tell you that you should look into cups printer sharing...it quite easy and I think there's a guide on the ubuntu wiki somewhere
[04:19] <back_east> Xappe: is it all just files?
[04:20] <back_east> Xappe: because you can run into trouble with Mac files if you put it on just an iso9660 fs
[04:21] <Xappe> back_east, yes...some pictures from my dads digital camera and such (the computer belongs to him, but I think i'll try ubuntu out since noone knows the admin of the osx installed
[04:21] <ells> back_east: still wont let me resize it. I must be missing some tool
[04:21] <back_east> ells: ntfsresize?
[04:21] <ells> back_east: will check
[04:21] <helio7> So with the Warty installer, there is a way to re-Partition a HDD even if it currently has an NTFS partition that's using the WHole space?  I'm trying to help a friend install linux, but I've never done a partition myself
[04:22] <back_east> Xappe: The Mac OS X installation disk has a utility that will let you reset the password.
[04:22] <deeznutz> OK, now when I am using "make" I get "Can't find kernel sources in lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/build; give the path to kernel sources with LSRC=<path> argument to make" .... help??
[04:22] <R0bNyc> my ubuntu has crashed so many times
[04:22] <borgista> you serious?
[04:22] <_quinton> that's odd
[04:22] <borgista> Mine has never crashed.
[04:22] <Quarupt> MAN!! I have tried everything to get limewire to startup from a damn icon or launcher, and it just wont happen
[04:22] <ells> back_east: I did aptget and it did not have ntfsresize
[04:22] <tritium> deeznutz, you need linux-headers that match your kernel version
[04:22] <back_east> Xappe: And you should be able to mount hfs formatted cds
[04:22] <_quinton> no offense, but you must be doing something wrong
[04:22] <Xappe> back_east, well, the disk is 300 km away
[04:22] <borgista> Quarupt...how did you install it?
[04:23] <Quarupt> with a deb
[04:23] <borgista> how'd you do that?
[04:23] <back_east> ells: try an apt-cache search ntfs
[04:23] <Xappe> back_east, i've tried every way now I think
[04:23] <Quarupt> it launches fine from a terminal
[04:23] <R0bNyc> i go outside come back
[04:23] <R0bNyc> n i see my stuff in a black screen
[04:23] <ells> back_east: okay
[04:23] <borgista> why didn't you just install with the .bin from the site?
[04:23] <Quarupt> i typed in dpkg -i Limewirepro.deb ???
[04:23] <borgista> oh, you bought it?
[04:23] <Quarupt> no
[04:23] <Quarupt> lol
[04:24] <borgista> Do you have Java configured?
[04:24] <Quarupt> there is no bin for the pro version
[04:24] <borgista> It depends on java.
[04:24] <Quarupt> java is configured fine, like i said it works fine, i just have to start it from a terminal
[04:24] <Quarupt> its in my $PATH
[04:24] <_quinton> your global path is set wrong
[04:24] <ukilledkenny> back_east, you were right, ntfs is a read-only system
[04:24] <Quarupt> no its set fine
[04:24] <_quinton> Gnome searches a different path when it execs commands
[04:25] <_quinton> oh ok
[04:25] <SeanQ> Hey, how are you all?
[04:25] <Quarupt> you can read my /etc/profile yourself
[04:25] <Xappe> back_east, and osx 10.1.x seems to be a slow beast that does not run so many apps nowadays
[04:25] <_quinton> no need
[04:25] <borgista> so you time "limewire" in your terminal, and it launches?
[04:25] <Quarupt> borgista, yes
[04:25] <back_east> Xappe: amen to that
[04:25] <borgista> hmmm.....fishy.
[04:25] <Quarupt> but if i try to use the menu or a laucher it wont start
[04:25] <borgista> i have the same problemwith Azureus
[04:26] <Quarupt> like x is reading a diff profile or something
[04:26] <back_east> Xappe: Well I could've sworn I've mounted hfs cds
[04:26] <SeanQ> Is there any way I can pry an inbed windows media [could be mms]  server stream out of a browser inwod?
[04:26] <SeanQ> window*
[04:26] <Quarupt> i wanna try a different java dependent program and see if it does the same thing
[04:26] <_quinton> maybe it's your CLASSPATH
[04:26] <_quinton> check that
[04:26] <Quarupt> i dunno what a classpath is
[04:26] <borgista> i think you need to configure your .bashrc
[04:27] <_quinton> it's the path that Java searches to find classes
[04:27] <Xappe> heck, I thought I was lucky when I realized it had a cdrw, but I guess I just have to learn setting up a ftp server on this ubuntu machine instead
[04:27] <_quinton> java might be startting fine, but can't find limewire
[04:28] <Quarupt> if it was my bash.bashrc i think that it wouldnt work in the terminal
[04:28] <back_east> Use sftp
[04:28] <borgista> Quarupt, I suggest you follow these directions: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[04:28] <Quarupt> borgista, i have followed them, how do ya think i installed java
[04:28] <borgista> ok, ok.
[04:28] <back_east> Xappe: just install the openssh-server on the ubuntu machine and use sftp
[04:29] <back_east> Xappe: same syntax and a lot easier to set up
[04:29] <borgista> maybe the filename is "LimeWire" not "limewire"?
[04:29] <Quarupt> lol
[04:29] <Quarupt> tried that
[04:29] <borgista> ok
[04:29] <back_east> Does OS X have mkisofs?
[04:30] <back_east> Xappe: and cdrecord?
[04:30] <borgista> back_east...wrong room?
[04:30] <back_east> borgista: nope, forgot my prefix
[04:30] <back_east> Xappe: Does OS X have mkisofs?
[04:30] <Xappe> back_east, well, when I mount the cd in osx I get two icons on the desktop, why is that?
[04:31] <Xappe> back_east, i don't know
[04:31] <borgista> i meant, you're asking in the wrong room, maybe?
[04:31] <back_east> Xappe: There's two tracks
[04:31] <Xappe> hmm, shouldn't be
[04:31] <Xappe> borgista, no, not really. my issue is quite ubuntu related :)
[04:32] <borgista> but you're asking whether osx has mkisofs.
[04:32] <Quarupt> I want to be able to connect to my Ubuntu box from work, but i cannot install any 3rd party apps like vnc viewer? and suggestions?
[04:32] <back_east> borgista: No, I asked that
[04:32] <borgista> nevermind.
[04:32] <borgista> blimey
[04:32] <borgista> :-|
[04:32] <back_east> borgista: :-)
[04:33] <johnnybezak> Quarupt: ssh
[04:33] <borgista> this is what i get for multi-tasking.
[04:33] <borgista> getting all mixed up
[04:33] <borgista> Note to self: Don't talk in IRC room while watching Family Guy.
[04:33] <macewan> Quarupt: are you using the latest LimeWire?
[04:33] <johnnybezak> Quarupt: or you could burn knoppix, boot it up, install vnc then reboot and use it
[04:33] <back_east> ells: any luck?
[04:34] <ells> back_east: good to go my man
[04:34] <QMario> Does Photoshop 2.0 work on Ubuntu?
[04:34] <ells> I installed some tools and reboot
[04:34] <Quarupt> macewan, si
[04:34] <back_east> ells: Ha
[04:34] <ells> thumbs up
[04:34] <back_east> ells: you win.
[04:34] <borgista> No QMario...not without emulation.
[04:34] <ells> back_east,you were all over it
[04:34] <_quinton> no, the "photoshop" of linux is GIMP
[04:34] <borgista> Use the GIMP.
[04:34] <borgista> Great for Image-editing
[04:34] <macewan> Quarupt: thats yes?
[04:34] <Quarupt> johnnybezak, knoppix is 3rd party, the whole point si to be able to bring my work up quickly when my boss comes by
[04:34] <_quinton> I'm not into photo editing, but it's a descent app
[04:34] <Quarupt> macewan, yes
[04:35] <Xappe> back_east, when I mount the cd as hfsplus I can see two folders that it when I try to access them is no folders
[04:35] <back_east> ells: Glad to help.
[04:35] <macewan> Quarupt: 4.6.0
[04:35] <ells> back_east: thanks
[04:35] <ells> back_east: any knowledge of internal sd card readers
[04:35] <Quarupt> macewan, i will check for you
[04:36] <Xappe> back_east, Desktop DB and Desktop DF
[04:36] <back_east> Xappe: Those are normal
[04:36] <Xappe> back_east, bu no files
[04:36] <Quarupt> macewan, 4.8.0 Pro
[04:36] <macewan> You paid?
[04:36] <back_east> Xappe: but unhelpful
[04:36] <Quarupt> no
[04:36] <back_east> ells: Sorry
[04:37] <macewan> Quarupt: Where is it available?
[04:37] <Quarupt> macewan, on my hdd
[04:37] <back_east> ells: still trying to get mine to work on my laptop.;
[04:37] <Quarupt> ;)
[04:37] <macewan> Quarupt: Where is it available online?
[04:37] <Quarupt> you want the deb?
[04:37] <ells> back_east: that adn I installed netapplet to find networks and it did not work: what kind of laptop
[04:37] <Quarupt> heh, im not sure it is
[04:37] <macewan> Quarupt: Is it supposed to be a licensed copy?
[04:37] <back_east> ells: Asus M6N
[04:37] <Quarupt> but i can drop it on my webserver if ya want it
[04:37] <ells> I have a toshiba
[04:38] <Quarupt> macewan, no, just dont register it
[04:38] <macewan> Quarupt: I don't understand. Is it available from their site?
[04:38] <Xappe> back_east, i'm starting to think that the problem is due to a two track cd (iso and hfs maybe?)
[04:38] <ells> back_east: any info on netapplet
[04:38] <Quarupt> macewan, yes for 19.99
[04:38] <back_east> ells: You know about http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://www.tuxmobil.org/
[04:38] <Quarupt> usd
[04:39] <Quarupt> not the deb
[04:39] <Quarupt> i created the deb
[04:39] <Quarupt> from an rpm source
[04:39] <ells> back_east: will check it out, also netapplet is installed, but wont work
[04:39] <Quarupt> it works smoothly
[04:39] <Xappe> back_east, I can't "mount" it with hmount either
[04:39] <blizah> possible to get my ubuntu install seeing my SATA RAID 1 windows drives?
[04:40] <borgista>  yes, blizah. get ntfs support for your kernel.
[04:40] <blizah> that an apt-get thing?
[04:40] <borgista> use synaptic
[04:40] <borgista> and search
[04:40] <borgista> it'd be easier
[04:40] <blizah> k
[04:40] <ells> anyone know about netapplet
[04:40] <borgista> i dont know the exact package
[04:40] <borgista> and then mount the drive.
[04:40] <blizah> tnx
[04:40] <geppy> I'm getting lots of dropped frames playing DVDs (in Ogle, Totem, or GXine).  I'm wondering what I should do;  my computer is more than fast enough for DVD playback.
[04:41] <borgista> configure the video geppy.
[04:41] <borgista> make it play more fps.
[04:41] <blizah> borgista, what should i search for in synaptic?
[04:41] <borgista> ntfs support
[04:41] <ells> anyone know about netapplet
[04:42] <back_east> Xappe: I'm trying with the OS 9 install disk
[04:43] <ells> back_east, what are you putting OS 9 on
[04:43] <back_east> ells: Nothing, it's just an hfs CD I'm using to test hfs mounting
[04:44] <ells> back_east: cool, do you have any info on netapplet
[04:44] <nanaem> Is the game Enemy Territory working good under Ubuntu?
[04:44] <back_east> ells: What do you want to know?
[04:44] <ells> back_east: I installed it and I cannot get it to come up and work
[04:45] <back_east> Xappe: I think that sftp might be your quickest solution.
[04:45] <bluefoxicy> http://rafb.net/paste/results/caaUvh34.html  Does anyone think this fantasy tool w ould be worthwhile?
[04:45] <Quest-Master> nanaem: Yes, check under Software Support -> Gaming on Ubuntu at http://www.ubuntuforums.org
[04:45] <ells> back_east: are you using it
[04:46] <Xappe> back_east, probably. is that just included in ssh? not so familiar with admininistrating over networks
[04:46] <nanaem> ok,thx
[04:46] <abaddon80> I just recently installed Warty, and I enabled the root user.  I'm noticing my auth.log is getting filled with lines like this:  Mar  7 22:42:54 localhost su[4357] : + ??? root:abaddon  Mar  7 22:42:54 localhost su[4357] : (pam_unix) session opened for user abaddon by (uid=0)
[04:46] <back_east> ells: no, I use the network monitor applet
[04:46] <abaddon80> is that normal?
[04:46] <back_east> Xappe: yeah, it's a part of ssh
[04:46] <ells> I tried that before: twice, and it locks up everytime and wont let me find networs
[04:47] <ells> forces me to reinstall everytime
[04:47] <Xappe> then I just need to learn how to do it :)
[04:47] <back_east> Xappe: installing the openssh-server package will install it and start it up
[04:47] <back_east> Xappe: it's just like ftp after that
[04:47] <back_east> Xappe: sftp [username] @[hostname] 
[04:48] <geppy> borgista: Where do I do that?  I've looked in the options for totem, Ogle, and gxine, not finding any FPS options.
[04:48] <back_east> ells: is that the gnome-netstatus-applet?
[04:48] <_quinton> check your DVD libraries
[04:48] <back_east> ells: or what package is that?
[04:49] <_quinton> maybe you should update cthem
[04:49] <_quinton> them
[04:49] <_quinton> just check anything in Synaptic having to do with DVDs
[04:49] <geppy> _quinton: I'm up to date with everything for Ubuntu Hoary/latest marillat
[04:49] <ells> yeap
[04:49] <_quinton> k
[04:49] <ells> it is actuall called netapplet
[04:50] <ells> back_east: that is installed too, still no dice chicago
[04:51] <ells> back_east: I would have thought there would be a gui for using the netapplet
[04:52] <back_east> ells: oh that's the new one
[04:52] <JDahl> I just installed Hoary on a machine... the new automatic updater is neat!
[04:52] <back_east> ells: that shows the wireless networks
[04:52] <back_east> ells: right?
[04:53] <ells> I went and ./netapplet and nothing
[04:53] <ells> it hangs there
[04:53] <Dull404> doesnt 'universal' support dependencies?
[04:53] <nomasteryoda> hey people... if you need an Excellent wireless card for Linux.. and ubuntu.. compUSA has ATT6700g for $10
[04:53] <nomasteryoda> atheros chipset
[04:53] <nomasteryoda> lights work too
[04:54] <ells> nomasteryoda, where can I get one, online or store
[04:54] <nomasteryoda> yes
[04:54] <nomasteryoda> online
[04:54] <ells> okay
[04:54] <nomasteryoda> but at store too i think
[04:54] <nomasteryoda> i got 2
[04:55] <tritium> Dull404, what do you mean?
[04:55] <ells> back_east: check this out root@steveslaptop:/usr/lib/netapplet # ls
[04:55] <ells> netapplet
[04:55] <ells> root@steveslaptop:/usr/lib/netapplet # ./netapplet
[04:55] <ells> root@steveslaptop:/usr/lib/netapplet #
[04:55] <back_east> It's a panel applet
[04:56] <ells> back_east: I dont see it nowhere
[04:56] <Dull404> tritium, i installed VLC. and it had 10 libs. Then i removed VLC, but the libs weren't deleted....
[04:56] <Dull404> tritium, using synaptic
[04:56] <phester> any body in to c++?
[04:56] <back_east> ells: You should be able to add it to the panel using the "Add to panel" menu
[04:56] <ells> back_east: will try
[04:56] <back_east> ells: it isn't in there?
[04:56] <Dull404> tritium, maybe this is just a "universal" problem.. i dont know
[04:56] <ells> back_east: nope
[04:56] <tritium> Dull404, oh, you mean "universe"?
[04:57] <back_east> ells: weird
[04:57] <Dull404> um..
[04:57] <Dull404> tritium, yeah.. "universe" ;)
[04:57] <ells> back_east: how can I add to panel
[04:57] <tritium> Dull404, no, it's not a problem.  You don't always want a package's dependencies to be removed, especially when other packages also depend on that dependency.
[04:57] <ells> back_east: found it
[04:57] <back_east> ells: ok
[04:57] <tritium> tritium, I don't use synaptic, but it can remove orphans
[04:58] <tritium> heh
[04:58] <tritium> Dull404, that was for you ;)
[04:58] <Zugot> Zugot, how are you?
[04:58] <tritium> Dull404, so does aptitude, apparently
[04:58] <Dull404> tritium, i know, but since i installed VLC, and then 10 seconds later wanted to remove it, the deps were still there
[04:58] <tritium> Dull404, and finally, deborphan
[04:58] <tritium> Dull404, that's correct
[04:58] <tritium> that's proper behavior
[04:59] <tritium> as I said, it doesn't remove dependencies
[04:59] <Dull404> tritium, :S weird.. i dont want deps/libs that i dont need.... that reminds me of windows :S
[04:59] <tritium> Dull404, then use deborphan, or remove the orphans with aptitude or synaptic
[05:00] <ells> back_east: added it and nothing
[05:00] <Dull404> tritium, oh, so its a synaptic bug?
[05:00] <tritium> Dull404, it's to avoid removing packages that __other__ packages depend on also
[05:00] <tritium> Dull404, not a bug.  It's proper behavior
[05:00] <back_east> ells: is your wireless card in?
[05:00] <Xappe> back_east, when I try: 'sftp>put Pictures/ Pictures/' I get the error: "Can't get handle: Failure"
[05:00] <Dull404> tritium, apt-get remove vlc ... will it remove deps also?
[05:00] <tritium> Dull404, no.  It's not supposed to, as i've said.
[05:01] <ells> yeap, that is what i am using,but I have to put in the location when I change networks
[05:01] <SiRrUs> wow several updates tonight
[05:01] <tritium> Dull404, that will remove vlc, as asked
[05:01] <ells> back_east: yeap, that is what i am using,but I have to put in the location when I change networks
[05:01] <tritium> Dull404, I pointed out what to do to remove orphans already
[05:01] <back_east> Xappe: you'll need to either zip up the folders or move the files with a wildcard (put *.jpg)
[05:02] <Dull404> tritium, sorry im confused... so deborphan?
[05:02] <yoko-omo> I like how hoary has like 60 revision a night
[05:02] <yoko-omo> it makes me feel like my computer is doing something
[05:02] <yoko-omo> constantly evolving
[05:02] <Xappe> back_east, no way I can upload the whole direcory tree?
[05:02] <tritium> Dull404, yes, you can look at deborphan, but I know that synaptic can search for and remove orphans
[05:02] <tritium> so does aptitude
[05:02] <back_east> Well, you can just zip up the tree and then move the archive
[05:03] <tritium> so _can_ aptitude, that is
[05:03] <Xappe> back_east, ok
[05:03] <back_east> ells: I really need to get hoary
[05:03] <lunitik> yoko-omo: I don't even notice... god bless cron.
[05:03] <yoko-omo> lunitik: cron?
[05:03] <ells> back_east: that is what I am running
[05:03] <Dull404> tritium, ok so in a way, synaptic sucks.. and aptitude will do the job?
[05:04] <yoko-omo> I use the ubuntu update manager
[05:04] <lunitik> Although, logs come in handy when using cron to upgrade in hoary.
[05:04] <tritium> Dull404, no, not at all
[05:04] <lunitik> yoko-omo: man cron
[05:04] <tritium> Dull404, you're misunderstanding.  There's nothing wrong with that behavior.
[05:05] <tritium> Dull404, if A and B depend on C, and you remove A, you don't want C removed also, because B depends on it.
[05:05] <yoko-omo> hrm
[05:05] <tritium> Dull404, so apt-get remove does _not_ remove dependencies
[05:05] <yoko-omo> each minute
[05:05] <back_east> ells: What wireless card do you have?
[05:05] <yoko-omo> I dunno if I need it to work that much
[05:06] <ells> it is an internal atheros
[05:06] <back_east> ells: Does that support scanning?
[05:06] <Dull404> tritium, i understand dependencies, but all libs that came with VLC should not be needed by anything else
[05:06] <ells> I am sure it does
[05:06] <tritium> Dull404, doesn't matter, that's the behavior
[05:07] <tritium> Dull404, if you want to, remove the orphans
[05:07] <Quarupt> 8==D  ( o )   anyone know what that means?
[05:07] <Quarupt> someone keeps sending it to me?
[05:07] <Quarupt> 8 is equal to d multiplied by o ?
[05:07] <Dull404> tritium, whats an orphan? im used to pacman, it will remove deps if they are not in use by anything else
[05:07] <Hell-Razor> does anybody here have hte new cedega?
[05:07] <windows-farhan> question. does #ubuntu
[05:07] <tritium> Dull404, what's pacman?
[05:08] <windows-farhan> have support for the blind yet/
[05:08] <windows-farhan> with speakup screenreader or no...
[05:08] <Anubis> 91 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded.
[05:08] <Dull404> tritium, a package manager for ArchLinux ..
[05:08] <windows-farhan> i'm currently using debian with speakup support enabled...
[05:08] <tritium> Dull404, those libs that vlc depended on, that nothing else depends on, but remain on your system are examplkes of orphans.
[05:08] <Anubis> for Hoary
[05:08] <Hell-Razor> linux for the blind? never heard of it
[05:08] <Anubis> wow
[05:08] <windows-farhan> ye
[05:08] <windows-farhan> if you search on the ulinux website you'll find things..
[05:08] <windows-farhan> lol
[05:08] <tritium> Dull404, sorry, never heard of it
[05:09] <back_east> ells: Well I'm all out of ideas
[05:09] <Dull404> tritium, ah now i see. but how do i remove orphans then? automaticly...
[05:09] <windows-farhan> my deb box is a 233 mhz with 32 mb of ram lol
[05:09] <windows-farhan> it sucks
[05:09] <Hell-Razor> damn
[05:09] <Hell-Razor> that thing is pathedic
[05:09] <tritium> Dull404, look into deborphan
[05:09] <windows-farhan> i only need the text bash anyway
[05:09] <Quarupt> anyone know a good howto on howto set up an ftpd?
[05:09] <back_east> ells: My card won't scan, so it can't use netapplet anyway
[05:09] <windows-farhan> so it files
[05:09] <windows-farhan> flies
[05:09] <Dull404> tritium, deborphan is an app?
[05:09] <ells> back_east, appreciate it, will try to fix
[05:09] <windows-farhan> i just want to install u
[05:09] <infornography> Can I use the ubuntu live CD to reinstall grub?
[05:09] <windows-farhan> ubuntu
[05:09] <windows-farhan> i wana
[05:09] <tritium> Dull404, yes
[05:10] <windows-farhan> but i'm not sure if speakup is in it yet
[05:10] <windows-farhan> hm
[05:10] <windows-farhan> for debian i had to download a special iso
[05:10] <windows-farhan> and it was floofy and bad3me and was as big as a kitchen sing
[05:10] <windows-farhan> sink
[05:10] <Dull404> tritium, can it be set up to be run automaticly when i use synaptic/apt-get/aptitude ?
[05:11] <windows-farhan> whats apt-titude?
[05:11] <windows-farhan> ?
[05:11] <nomasteryoda> wow, check this out ... http://unit.aist.go.jp/itri/knoppix/index-en.html - click the TouchGraph Google link at the top... cool way to  see what people are looking for
[05:11] <tritium> Dull404, I don't know.  You'll have to read the docs.  I imagine so.
[05:11] <windows-farhan> yah if you go to linux-speakup.org you'll find info
[05:11] <windows-farhan> well if you guys don't no anything. i'm out piece..
[05:11] <back_east> ells: good luck
[05:11] <Dull404> tritium, ok thanks
[05:12] <tritium> Dull404, sure.  Sorry I can't tell you more.
[05:12] <back_east> Night everyone (queue discussion of time in various zones).
[05:12] <tritium> And I agree that automatic orphan removal would be cool.
[05:13] <SiRrUs> there fixed :)
[05:14] <FX|Laptop> Hello
[05:14] <FX|Laptop> what would be the command in a terminal be to see what version of gnome you have?
 <poke> anyone alive?
[05:15] <geppy> no
[05:15] <geppy> dpkg -l | grep gnome
[05:15] <geppy> can you not just use the about box?
[05:16] <nanaem> just installed the game Enemy Territory. can't get any sounds. /dev/dsp: Input/output error, Could not mmap /dev/dsp. i'm kinda new to linux, so if anyone have an idea of getting this to work, please tell me in a very newbish way how to solve it, hehe.
[05:16] <geppy> nanaem: killall esd
[05:16] <blizah> does ubuntu come w/ support for SATA RAID, and if not can i apt-get anything to support it?
[05:16] <geppy> nanaem: The problem is that the esd sound server is taking up your sound device.
[05:16] <FX|Laptop> geppy I could I just want to see for sure if its gnome 2.10 thats in the hoary repos.
[05:17] <nanaem> k, i'll try it. thx
[05:17] <bluefoxicy> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.devel/5210  There, badgered the list about it.
[05:17] <tritium> Dull404, in synaptic, see the "Status" section for "Installed (local or obsolete)" and "Not installed (residual config)"
[05:18] <Quarupt> wine spawned a window and i killed the parent, but it left a window open? how to kill it?
[05:19] <tritium> Quarupt, if you can't kill it using the kill command and its variants, try xkill
[05:19] <lunitik> Quarupt: ps -e  <-- see if you see what is being annoying... then 'pkill -9 that'
[05:19] <FX|Laptop> geppy, thanks for the command.
[05:19] <geppy> FX|Laptop: No problem.
[05:19] <ells> tritium: I think that the gnome applet is built into the network connection manage in the applet
[05:19] <geppy> Quarupt: killall -9 wine
[05:19] <geppy> Quarupt: killall -9 wineserver
[05:19] <lunitik> Quarupt: -9 is basically 'DIE DEAD YOU PEACE OF SHIT' *nods* ... its like you're a god, I love it  :)
[05:20] <geppy> erm, sorry for being redundant, wasn't looking at the latest ones
[05:20] <Xappe> ohoh, my first sftp upload istaking place right now
[05:20] <tritium> ells, say again?
[05:20] <geppy> On the other hand, nothing can kill grip when it dies.
[05:21] <Quarupt> cool
[05:21] <Quarupt> thx
[05:22] <ells> tritium: I think that the gnome applet is built into the network connection manage in the applet
[05:22] <ells> tritium: for seeing wireless networks
[05:22] <ells> tritium: there is a drop menu when you go in
[05:23] <tritium> ells, I don't know.  I don't use it.  I tried netapplet instead
[05:23] <yoko-omo> in hoary, I installed the nvidia-glx drivers
[05:23] <yoko-omo> how do I change resolution?
[05:23] <ells> tritium: thanks
[05:23] <lunitik> yoko-omo: depends how good your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 is...
[05:23] <tritium> ells, was there a question?
[05:24] <yoko-omo> lunitik: pardon?
[05:24] <lunitik> yoko-omo: if its decent... you can go to Computer > Preferences > Screen Resolution
[05:24] <lunitik> else you have to edit that file
[05:25] <blizah> does ubuntu come w/ support for SATA RAID, and if not can i apt-get anything to support it?
[05:25] <yoko-omo> lunitik: in hoary?
[05:25] <yoko-omo> there is no XF86 in hoary
[05:25] <tritium> yoko-omo, it's /etc/X11/xorg.conf in Hoary
[05:25] <lunitik> yoko-omo: gah... kinda, cept /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:25] <lunitik> yoko-omo: else, yes... exactly the same.
[05:25] <yoko-omo> ok
[05:26] <yoko-omo> do I modify the modes then ?
[05:26] <lunitik> yoko-omo: yes... follow the format already there...
[05:26] <tritium> yoko-omo, you should first attempd "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[05:26] <tritium> attempt
[05:27] <lunitik> yoko-omo: ie... just add the new resolution to the beggining of the list of modes
[05:27] <QMario> What is an equivalent program to Adobe Photoshop in Ubuntu?
[05:27] <tritium> Before trying to hand-edit the file
[05:27] <rriche> oh man.. this is sick.. comeon windows.. let's see you let me run World of Warcraft in one workspace and swap to the other with no interruption and use firefox or chat or anything else :)
[05:27] <lunitik> tritium: wouldn't help enless you have him 'dpkg-reconfigure debconf' and set to 'low'...
[05:27] <lunitik> tritium: simply wouldn't ask.
[05:27] <tritium> lunitik, it's always the safe first attempt
[05:27] <QMario> Does anyone know?
[05:28] <tritium> lunitik, he can use -plow if necessary
[05:28] <Quarupt> grrr, anyone know what to do when wine needs the Install shield to install sometjing?
[05:28] <lunitik> Quarupt: kick it and cry lots
[05:28] <tritium> Quarupt, winetools
[05:28] <Quarupt> cool
[05:28] <Quarupt> thx
[05:28] <yoko-omo> if I knew what any of this meant
[05:29] <yoko-omo> I tried to switch to hoary before and everything crashed :(
[05:29] <bskahan> anyone know if daniels x40 acpi packages are relevant in hoary?
[05:29] <Quarupt> tritium, you know package name?
[05:29] <lunitik> yoko-omo: no need to understand right now... just add the new resolution to your xorg.conf
[05:29] <lunitik> yoko-omo: if your HSync and VSync don't like it though, then you can worry about what tritium is saying...
[05:30] <lunitik> else its just overkill
[05:30] <stuNNed> SiRrUs: ping
[05:30] <tritium> Quarupt, it's not yet in universe, so get it from: http://www.winehq.com/site/download-deb
[05:30] <SiRrUs> lol
[05:30] <yoko-omo> to all of them?
[05:30] <stuNNed> SiRrUs: still slowiness in hoary with xorg?
[05:30] <Quarupt> thx
[05:30] <tritium> stuNNed, since when?
[05:30] <lunitik> yoko-omo: no point... see where it says "Default Depth"  "24"?
[05:30] <SiRrUs> nope the updates tonight seem to have fixed the issue
[05:30] <stuNNed> SiRrUs: aha!
[05:30] <lunitik> yoko-omo: it will use that first... so just add it to that one
[05:31] <SiRrUs> tritium since about Tuesday
[05:31] <tritium> SiRrUs, hmm, didn't experience that here
[05:32] <thr1ce> what version of xorg is it up to?
[05:32] <lunitik> yoko-omo: in fact, you can remove that... and also, remove any resolutions listed you don't want... this way it forces it to do what you told it to do   :)
[05:32] <SiRrUs> yeah must be nice :) i just took i think 90 uodates and all seems fine prior to them cpu usage was around 35% steady
[05:32] <lunitik> yoko-omo: that = all depths but 24
[05:32] <SiRrUs> now back down to 1-3%
[05:32] <tritium> interesting
[05:32] <QMario> Does Adobe work with WINE?
[05:32] <Amaranth> yeah
[05:32] <Amaranth> wait, adobe what?
[05:32] <SiRrUs> yeah but all is good now
[05:32] <Quarupt> can anyone go here and tell me from that info what apt line would look like http://www.winehq.com/site/download-deb
[05:33] <yoko-omo> ok, but how do I switch it now?
[05:33] <yoko-omo> I added it to the 24
[05:33] <yoko-omo> but I don't see where I can switch it
[05:33] <tritium> Quarupt, it's right there on the page
[05:33] <lunitik> yoko-omo: restart X
[05:33] <thr1ce> restart x
[05:33] <tritium> Quarupt, it even has a screenshot from synaptic
[05:33] <Quarupt> no it gives the two fields
[05:33] <thr1ce> what version of x.org does hoary use ?
[05:34] <Quarupt> my synaptic doesnt look like that when ya click add you have to click custom, then it asks for an APT line
[05:34] <tritium> Quarupt, look again
[05:34] <crimsun> thr1ce: 6.8.2
[05:34] <yoko-omo> ok, so I have to log off?
[05:34] <Quarupt> why is my APT different
[05:34] <thr1ce> crimsun, and that JUST got updated to 6.8.2?
[05:34] <lunitik> Quarupt: try ''deb http://wine.souceforge.net/apt binary ./'
[05:34] <Quarupt> i mean my Synaptic
[05:34] <Quarupt> thx
[05:34] <tritium> Quarupt, also, look near the bottom
[05:34] <crimsun> thr1ce: ~5 days ago
[05:35] <lunitik> Quarupt: gah... it says 'deb http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/ binary/'
[05:35] <lunitik> Quarupt: what I said should work also though.
[05:35] <Quarupt> it did thx
[05:35] <SiRrUs> thr1ce Ubuntu all the way ;)
[05:35] <thr1ce> SiRrUs, any convincing reasons?  slackware is so fast and stable...
[05:36] <lunitik> thr1ce: slack sucks... but Ubuntu uses GNOME... I thought Slack users hated GNOME?
[05:36] <thr1ce> lunitik, if you can in any way tell me why "slack sucks"
[05:36] <Quarupt> but howcome my synaptic doesnt look the same, it did in warty, when adding a custom repository it had 3 fields, but in Hoary it just says enter APT line?
[05:36] <tritium> Quarupt, you didn't read the to the bottom of the page?
[05:36] <regeya> switched to using xfce4...switched back to using mozilla and mozilla mail...I'm much happier. :-D
[05:36] <lunitik> thr1ce: Its like LFS, only without the control.
[05:36] <SiRrUs> lunitik I didnt think it sucked actually I liked it alot. But Ubuntu is hmmmm "Ubuntu"
[05:36] <thr1ce> lunitik, then you have NEVER used slack if you think it lacks control
[05:36] <crimsun> thr1ce: the first packaging revision of 6.8.2 actually took place on/prior to Feb 12th
[05:36] <regeya> slack does not suck.  I firmly believe that the complexity of debian-style systems makes something like apt not only nice but a necessity
[05:37] <thr1ce> slack uses excellent package management- ls /var/log/packages; lol
[05:37] <lunitik> thr1ce: compared to LFS? hah...
[05:37] <Quarupt> tritium, i fully understand that is has an APT line at the bottom, im asking why my synaptic is different from the screenshot
[05:37] <thr1ce> lunitik, I have more control over my system than you do on ubuntu, actually
[05:37] <regeya> this "fine-grained" business gets a little silly at times.  how many people, for instance, would install konqueror without wanting any more of kde than was the bare necessity to run konq...*shrug*
[05:38] <thr1ce> lunitik, you let apt do everything for you; I know EXACTLY what's going on with my system
[05:38] <tritium> Quarupt, I ask because you asked for the line to put in your sources.list
[05:38] <lunitik> thr1ce: Slack is for people with too much time on there hands... just like Gentoo is for people with too many clock cycles to waste
[05:38] <regeya> wow, that comment speaks of complete ignorance of how slack works.
[05:38] <regeya> and another.
[05:38] <thr1ce> lunitik, slackware installs in less than 20 minutes
[05:38] <yoko-omo> thanks lunitik
[05:38] <Quarupt> tritium, yea because my Synaptic asks for an APT line instead of having the 3 fields like it used to
[05:38] <lunitik> thr1ce: and its useful in less than a year *g*
[05:38] <thr1ce> ?
[05:38] <regeya> otoh, systems like ubuntu set up a happy set of defaults so that when something goes wrong, the user has no f-in clue how to fix it.
[05:39] <thr1ce> lunitik, please stop unless you speak from experience
[05:39] <thr1ce> lunitik, it is obvious you have never touched a slackware system
[05:39] <tritium> Quarupt, the second-to-last section describes it textually
[05:39] <regeya> if we're b.s.ing, I thought I'd throw something out that someone would identify with ;-)
[05:39] <thr1ce> lol
[05:39] <lunitik> thr1ce: nothing works in Slack after first install. There is no hardware detection... there is no 'value added' features... it is basically LFS
[05:39] <crimsun> let's try and keep the distro-snuffing out of the channel, thanks.
[05:39] <SiRrUs> ok guys stop the bashing  both Distros are very good
[05:39] <tritium> Quarupt, maybe that's an older version of synaptic, or the version in debian, or something.  Forget the screenshots
[05:40] <Quarupt> well i used to have the 3 fields
[05:40] <thr1ce> lunitik, tell me specifically waht didn't work
[05:40] <thr1ce> lunitik, you mean that you had to do things specifically for your system ?
[05:40] <regeya> lunitik, you're a sad person.
[05:40] <Quarupt> and was wondering why it changed cause the 3 fields are easier for us newbs
[05:40] <regeya> sorry
[05:40] <tritium> Quarupt, I never use synaptic, so I wouldn't remember.
[05:40] <thr1ce> I mean...I am looking for info; not a simple "slackware sucks" from someone that was either to incomprehensive, or lacks total experience
[05:41] <tritium> Quarupt, but opening it up now, I see you can set the visible columns in the preferences
[05:41] <lunitik> thr1ce: pretty much anything... sound, mouse wheel, cam, mic... any peripherals really... floppy... cdrom... everything needed to be hand configured
[05:41] <crimsun> thr1ce: let's keep it on-topic, please.
[05:41] <thr1ce> to say that the OLDEST linux distro "doesnt' work" is truely pushing it
[05:41] <crimsun> lunitik: you, too, thanks.
[05:41] <regeya> lunitik, iirc, recent versions of slack do indeed have hardware detection...at least, the last time I installed slack I found that those things worked.
[05:41] <Quarupt> GRR it still says it needs windows install shield!!!!
[05:41] <tritium> slack worked just fine, even back in 1993
[05:41] <thr1ce> crimsun, sorry...probably getting into it :)
[05:41] <regeya> indeed.
[05:42] <tritium> Quarupt, did you actually run winetools yet?
[05:42] <Quarupt> maybe i need to reconfigure wine or something?
[05:42] <Quarupt> i used synaptic to install it?
[05:42] <Quarupt> oh i need to run it?
[05:42] <lunitik> crimsun: gah... you're no fun  :(
[05:42] <woodwizzle> Hello
[05:42] <tritium> Quarupt, yes, of course ;)
[05:42] <woodwizzle> Is Hoary still going to be ext3?
[05:42] <lunitik> woodwizzle: yes
[05:42] <regeya> lunitik, your comments seem to indicate an ignorance of slack-related matters or an attempt to gather flames.  since I didn't use slack for long the last time I did an install, I can't comment of the former theory.
[05:42] <lunitik> woodwizzle: by default.
[05:42] <thr1ce> lunitik, for your info, all hardware is detected fine; sound you set up through alsa, mouse wheel through a simple conf. file (to specifiy mouse to work perfect for your systym)
[05:43] <lunitik> regeya: thr1ce: I believe we were asked to drop it?
[05:43] <woodwizzle> lunitik: Ah, so if I set up the partitions and filesystems myslef I could use reiserfs?
[05:43] <SiRrUs> hello guys
[05:43] <thr1ce> i'm not trying to start a flame war at all; I think ubuntu is developming very smoothly; thus my curiosity
[05:43] <lunitik> woodwizzle: yes...
[05:43] <SiRrUs> let it go
[05:43] <Quarupt> do i need to run the base setup?
[05:43] <tritium> Quarupt, they apparently didn't check off the same columns to be visible that you're used to seeing.
[05:43] <tritium> Quarupt, yes, it tells you what to do
[05:43] <Quarupt> ok, in winetools i dont see install shield?
[05:44] <regeya> if we want to talk about ease of upgrade, then heh, slack fails it.  but it's great for things like server installations and other systems that you probably won't touch often.  and that's all I'll say about that.
[05:44] <thr1ce> regeya, a simple rsync and upgradepkg *.tgz :)
[05:44] <woodwizzle> I'm installing the latest beta hoary CD right now. I've never tried Ubuntu before.
[05:44] <thr1ce> and yes, we hate gnome -_-
[05:44] <thr1ce> i would use flux on ubuntu, but it hasn't been updated for a few releases :(
[05:45] <_quinton> how do you configure GNOME to use other window managers?
[05:45] <regeya> thr1ce, a hate of gnome is a healthy hate, really...but I shouldn't admit that here :-}  the ubuntu devs must be patient indeed
[05:45] <_quinton>  I tried changing it in GConf, but it didn't work
[05:45] <lunitik> thr1ce: I'm thinking maybe Ubuntu isn't the distro for you... grap a debian-installer netinst image, and install from that.
[05:45] <thr1ce> well, I like gnome alot; it's just extremely bloated; when I run fluxbox, i have 50 processes running
[05:45] <tritium> regeya, patient about what?
[05:46] <thr1ce> and gnome is what, near 70?
[05:46] <woodwizzle> _quinton, every WM is a little different with the way you get it to work with gnome. What wm are you trying to use?
[05:46] <_quinton> how do you configure gnome for other window managers? like fluxbox?
[05:46] <lunitik> thr1ce: same thing, you may want to add an Ubuntu archive though to use Xorg.
[05:46] <regeya> _quinton, essentially if you have a compliant windomanager, open the session manager and a terminal; remove metacity from the list of items in the session, fire up another windowmanager from a terminal, make sure your wm of choice is set to auto-respawn, and you're golden.
[05:46] <Quarupt> tritium, everything i try fails?
[05:46] <thr1ce> lunitik, yes, but the fluxbox package is out of date
[05:46] <lunitik> _quinton: just killall oldwm ; newwm
[05:46] <crimsun> excellent, blackbox 0.70 is finally out.
[05:46] <woodwizzle> you can also try switchdesk. That works with opebox i'm pretty sure
[05:46] <thr1ce> lunitik, but yes, I would use x.org in a heart beat
[05:47] <_quinton> ok
[05:47] <tritium> Quarupt, such as?
[05:47] <regeya> lunitik, but if your oldwm is set to respawn...
[05:47] <woodwizzle> What does blackbox have over openbox?
[05:47] <Quarupt> DCOM98, Install shield
[05:47] <thr1ce> woodwizzle, based on the same code, they just work a little different
[05:47] <Quarupt> isnt there a way to see a like fake desktop?
[05:47] <lunitik> thr1ce: same in Ubuntu as Debian... 0.9.9 is in Sid and Hoary  :/
[05:47] <thr1ce> lunitik, yes; and HUGE improvements were made in 0.9.12
[05:48] <lunitik> regeya: it won't if newwm is ran...
[05:48] <maximaus> crimsum, just compiled the new bb. It's certainly speedy. Cant find a pager to go with it though (graphical)
[05:48] <crimsun> clamoring for 0.9.12, eh?
[05:48] <lunitik> thr1ce: cool, then compile it yourself?
[05:48] <thr1ce> xwmconfig will change WM's
[05:48] <regeya> lunitik, I suppose I was incredibly unlucky when I tried that method, then.
[05:48] <woodwizzle> I wish the bb devs would switch to openbox then and keep it alive =)
[05:48] <thr1ce> lunitik, but this apt-get system is supposed to help me get away from that... -_-
[05:49] <crimsun> I can look into updating fluxbox in universe if there's significant interest.
[05:49] <lunitik> thr1ce: not really... use debhelper and friends  :/
[05:49] <thr1ce> hehe
[05:49] <lunitik> thr1ce: so long as dpkg knows about it... you're safe to do whatever you want.
[05:49] <maximaus> thr1ce, some things are so easy to compile that .. well.. why not? LOL
[05:49] <tritium> use cdbs!
[05:49] <Quarupt> tritium, keeps saying wine has terminated with a failure of 1 or something?
[05:50] <thr1ce> i guess learning on a non-user friendly distro has plagued my visiosn
[05:50] <thr1ce> visions
[05:50] <tritium> Quarupt, I don't know what would be causing that, except perhaps http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/02/17/1318212&tid=125&tid=109&tid=106
[05:50] <lunitik> thr1ce: hell... even if dpkg doesn't know... /usr/local is ignored.. dump stuff you compile there...
[05:51] <lunitik> thr1ce: Debian is supposedly non-user friendly... Ubuntu is just Debian with a starting point.
[05:51] <Quarupt> okay i got it
[05:51] <Quarupt> but now it says its not supported in win98
[05:51] <Quarupt> grr
[05:51] <thr1ce> lunitik, no...ubuntu is very user-friendly
[05:51] <thr1ce> imo
[05:51] <Quarupt> is there a way to make it think its 2k?
[05:51] <regeya> going back to tritium: when I was a happy gentoo user, it seemed like it was 1000x easier to break gnome than it was to break kde...seemed like you needed to keep up on gnome development just to make sure you had all the right deps...I dunno, maybe it's a heckuva lot easier than I think it is to put together a stable gnome desktop. :-/
[05:51] <lunitik> thr1ce: like I said... its Debian with a starting point!
[05:52] <thr1ce> lunitik, yeah...i've never used a debian system :(
[05:52] <lunitik> thr1ce: if you have Ubuntu installed... then you have.
[05:52] <crimsun> does anyone use fluxbox 0.9.12 w/ imlib2 support enabled?
[05:52] <thr1ce> lunitik, just a liveCD
[05:52] <regeya> thr1ce, aw, go ahead, give it a shot. :->
[05:52] <lunitik> thr1ce: oh... then yeah... you haven't played with dpkg and apt... so it doesn't count.
[05:52] <Quarupt> tritium, is wine only works for 98 progams? cause this program needs 2k or higher
[05:52] <thr1ce> lunitik, a little bit; not dpkg
[05:53] <ukilledkenny> can anyone condense the lines : cd /opt/LimeWire/ and java -jar LimeWire.jar ...into one line
[05:53] <crimsun> java -jar /opt/LimeWire/LimeWire.jar
[05:53] <ukilledkenny> doesnt work for some reason
[05:53] <lunitik> thr1ce: dpkg has some nice little tricks  :)   as does apt... like 'apt-get moo', a personal favorate  :)
[05:53] <tritium> Quarupt, no
 it says ./dists/hoary/main/binary-i386/Packages failed the MD5 checksum
[05:53] <bluefoxicy> suggestions
[05:53] <tritium> Quarupt, change your settings
[05:53] <bluefoxicy> ?
[05:53] <crimsun> maybe the current dir needs writable privileges?
[05:54] <Quarupt> tritium, how? in the config the highest ot goes is 98 i thought
[05:54] <thr1ce> lunitik, apt seems very nice and simple; is it efficient?  like, leaving behind useless files, etc.?
[05:54] <ukilledkenny> crimsun, its actually part of a shell script the executable section when i click on the LimeWire icon
[05:54] <lunitik> thr1ce: depends how kind the maintainer was  :)   apt just does what its told  :0
[05:55] <crimsun> thr1ce: there's always deborphan
[05:55] <Quarupt> oh that just look and feel
[05:55] <tritium> Quarupt, edit .wine/config
[05:55] <lunitik> thr1ce: for the most part, the pre and post install scripts in the .deb will clean up everything nicely  :)
[05:55] <helloyo> is there a way to get ubuntu to tell my powersupply to shut down? some distros seem to do this
[05:55] <thr1ce> lunitik, I figured as much
[05:55] <Quarupt> tritium, what line?
[05:55] <crimsun> helloyo: you need working apm/acpi support in-kernel
[05:56] <helloyo> crimsun, is this something that 4.10 doesn't have?
[05:56] <tritium> Quarupt, the "Windows" = line
[05:56] <lunitik> thr1ce: a .deb is basically a .tar.gz with a few fancy scripts for easy transition between versions (the part that slack doesn't have really)
[05:56] <Quarupt> whats the string for 2k?
[05:56] <crimsun> helloyo: the kernel version in warty (4.10) didn't support acpi for my particular motherboard
[05:56] <tritium> Quarupt, it's in the file.
[05:56] <Quarupt> and i cant find that file is it somewhere in my home?
[05:57] <thr1ce> lunitik, actually, slack has a very efficient upgrade command that works wonders
[05:57] <helloyo> crimsun, well i'll give 2.6.7 ago (meaning to get a 686 one anyway)
[05:57] <pe7er> hi... i have a stange problem - when i do a ping to somewhere as a user i get this error: "ping: icmp open socket: Operation not permitted". (sudo ping... works) i did of course google but those answers seemed very specific, i didn't mess with those settings! ubuntu is warty plus backports plus some more, but nothing 'system-critical'. i did apt-get dhcp, wondershaper and stuff because i wanted to route all network traffic through it once, but ha
[05:57] <pe7er> ve removed it since. any ideas?
[05:57] <lunitik> thr1ce: I have talked to people that haven't reinstalled for over 5 years, but have kept the newest versions of everything... the true reason Debian is so popular imo... Slack, Fedora... you must reinstall for new versions to not break things usually...
[05:58] <thr1ce> lunitik, wrong; slack is one of the most upgradable available, actually
[05:58] <lunitik> thr1ce: as easy as 'apt-get dist-upgrade'?
[05:58] <thr1ce> lunitik, people having desktop uptimes of up to 100 days (the most i've seen is 460) while runnign the latest isn't unreasonable
[05:58] <deeznut1> anyone here successfully using a Netgear MA111 USB wireless NIC?  please /msg me!!
[05:59] <lunitik> thr1ce: I am disappointed when my uptime is below 100 days.
[05:59] <Quarupt> tritium, i found /.wine/conf  but that looks like the registry??
[05:59] <thr1ce> lunitik, rsync to a mirror (like your update from apt-get); then upgradepkg *.tgz (your dist-upgrade)
[05:59] <lunitik> thr1ce: I've seen over 1000, but I'm not sure how useful that machine was... something tells me it wasn't doing much.
[05:59] <tritium> Quarupt, good, glad you found it
[05:59] <helloyo> i can never get uptimes that high, i'm not good enough to fix some problems that rebooting fixes
[06:00] <deeznut1> does Warty natively support reading FAT 32 drive volumes?
[06:00] <pe7er> deeznut1: yes
[06:00] <crimsun> deeznut1: yes
[06:00] <lunitik> thr1ce: and that will translate changes to config mechanisms (like the change from exim 3 to 4) etc?
[06:00] <regeya> okeydoke...wonder if I have some evil extension installed for firefox...mozilla starts faster than firefox. :-/
[06:00] <pe7er> crimsun: :)
[06:00] <deeznut1> pe7er:  why does /dev/hda show up with a red X on the icon?
[06:00] <helloyo> i use firefox heaps, but to me it doesn't seem that great compared to some others
[06:01] <thr1ce> lunitik, yep; it searches for the installed package, removes it, removes useless files, and installs a fresh copy, all in one command
[06:01] <tritium> helloyo, heaps?  is that an extension?
[06:01] <regeya> yeah, helloyo; it looks better, it's a browser and only a browser...have I missed something?
[06:01] <lunitik> thr1ce: no... I said *translates* config files... ie, adapts old config files to new layout etc... so you don't have to start over with configuration
[06:02] <pe7er> deeznut1: i don't know, but you might find out if you enter 'mount' in the shell -- maybe its mounted read only?
[06:02] <helloyo> regeya, well it crashes quite a lot (not as much in ubuntu, but it did just segfault), and it can get slow
[06:02] <Quarupt> tritium, thats the filr? the fake registry?
[06:02] <thr1ce> lunitik, oh, yes!  definitely; that will upgrade your package; config files are kept in the ~/.xxx folder, which is left untouched
[06:02] <regeya> it's just a bit disturbing that mozilla seems to have made great strides in the last year or so, but it's definitely not the media darling that firefox is
[06:02] <tritium> Quarupt, it's the ~/.wine/config file
[06:03] <regeya> which is weird since firefox was supposed to be the dev branch to improve mozilla :-}
[06:03] <QMario> Bye everyone, thank you for the help!!!:-D
[06:06] <tritium> good night
[06:06] <tritium> Quarupt, good luck, and good night.
[06:08] <pe7er> hm, no ideas about "ping: icmp open socket: Operation not permitted" error? i'd ignore it if somebody would tell me it isnt interferring with my p2p connectivity...
[06:09] <pe7er> (it's past 6am over here and i crave for some sleep)
[06:11] <ukilledkenny> question: how do add an entry of a newly installed package onto Applications>Internet
[06:11] <ukilledkenny> on hoary
[06:11] <thr1ce> right click
[06:11] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[06:11] <thr1ce> hi
[06:12] <ukilledkenny> anyone?
[06:12] <thr1ce> right
[06:12] <thr1ce> click
[06:12] <da_bon_bon> ukilledkenny: whats the prob. ?
[06:13] <ukilledkenny> thr1ce, no adding options
[06:13] <ukilledkenny> question: how do add an entry of a newly installed package onto Applications>Internet
[06:13] <OC_ZzZZZzZ> or fn+f12 if you are on an ibook ;)
[06:13] <thr1ce> ukilledkenny, right click, i'm tellin ya
[06:13] <da_bon_bon> ukilledkenny: hoary or warty ?
[06:13] <crimsun> ukilledkenny: is it not in the Debian menu either?
[06:13] <ukilledkenny> hoary
[06:13] <ukilledkenny> im not sure abt the debian menu
[06:13] <da_bon_bon> ukilledkenny: thr1ce is wrong. have a look at "/usr/share/applications"
[06:14] <thr1ce> ..
[06:14] <crimsun> you can't edit the menu in hoary.
[06:14] <crimsun> you can in warty.
[06:14] <thr1ce> um...it should be a gnome related thing; why would the version change matter?
[06:14] <crimsun> (yes, you can use .desktop files in hoary)
[06:14] <crimsun> thr1ce: because that logic was ripped out of the source.
[06:14] <ukilledkenny> i created a LimeWire.desktop file
[06:14] <ukilledkenny> similar to the others
[06:14] <ukilledkenny> but it isnt executing
[06:15] <da_bon_bon> hey, when are we gettin acroread 7 ?
[06:15] <SiRrUs> good night guys
[06:15] <thr1ce> oh my
[06:15] <thr1ce> sorry...I had assumed nothing had changed since 2.6.1
[06:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> 
[06:16] <da_bon_bon> BROKEN_LADDER: how the fuck did u get hindi ? i want it too!!!
[06:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> 
[06:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's not hindi per se
[06:16] <da_bon_bon> BROKEN_LADDER: ok, its not funny. stop.
[06:17] <da_bon_bon> BROKEN_LADDER: first one /was/ hindi
[06:17] <da_bon_bon> i must know, i am an india :)
[06:17] <da_bon_bon> *indian
[06:17] <ukilledkenny> da_bon_bon, im having trouble with the script can you help me out
[06:18] <GhostFreeman> Linux kicks ass
[06:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> no it wasn't hindi
[06:18] <da_bon_bon> ukilledkenny: i can try, but i am no expert.. paste the script on pastebin
[06:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> it was another indian language with some similar characters.
[06:18] <da_bon_bon> BROKEN_LADDER: marathi
[06:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> Devanagari
[06:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> shrug
[06:19] <da_bon_bon> BROKEN_LADDER: devanagari is a script, not a language. that script is used in hindi as well as marathi! :P
[06:20] <ukilledkenny> da_bon_bon this is what it looks like...Encoding=UTF-8 Name=LimeWire Comment=P2P Client Exec=cd ~/opt/LimeWire/java -jar LimeWire.jar Icon=gaim.png Terminal=false Type=Application Categories=Application;Network; StartupNotify=true
[06:20] <ukilledkenny> the problem is with Exec
[06:20] <ukilledkenny> i used two lines
[06:20] <ukilledkenny> but it doesnt work if i condense it to one
[06:21] <ukilledkenny> ill write that out clearly
[06:21] <da_bon_bon> ukilledkenny: NO!
[06:21] <zenrox> ukilledkenny,  did jay read www.ubuntuguide.org/#limewire
[06:21] <da_bon_bon> ukilledkenny: join #flood
[06:21] <thr1ce> who is op in here?
[06:21] <da_bon_bon> thr1ce: no one.
[06:22] <da_bon_bon> thr1ce: as in, no one has taken the op status. i am assuming bob2 is the op in here
[06:22] <thr1ce> well, mdz is for sure
[06:22] <da_bon_bon> thr1ce: right
[06:22] <zenrox> and a coupple others
[06:22] <da_bon_bon> thr1ce: the person who can set the topic is almost always an op
[06:23] <zenrox> we bow to the all mighty ubuntu gods
[06:23] <thr1ce> da_bon_bon, they can't without it
[06:23] <da_bon_bon> thr1ce: right
[06:23] <thr1ce> hm...anyone have an ATI card ?
[06:23] <da_bon_bon> zenrox: no need to
[06:23] <zenrox> lol
[06:23] <thr1ce> (3d accel)
[06:24] <zenrox> thr1ce,  look in the www.ubuntuforums.org for ati driver install
[06:24] <zenrox> thares a good howto
[06:24] <thr1ce> zenrox, just curious about the 2.6.11 kernel specifically
[06:24] <coroner> its under the wiki i think actually
[06:24] <thr1ce> i knwo how...just wondering if it works
[06:24] <zenrox> thr1ce,  try it and find out
[06:24] <da_bon_bon> ukilledkenny: in exec, put in "java -jar /home/XXX/opet/LimeWire/LimeWire.jar"
[06:25] <factotum> err... whats the command to see what version of xorg im running?
[06:25] <thr1ce> zenrox, i'm using 2.4.29, actually...
[06:25] <Jerub> I got bored and wrote a usage meter script for telstra bigpond users ;)
[06:25] <zenrox> thr1ce,  i know it works in 2.6.10
[06:25] <thr1ce> zenrox, without a patch?
[06:25] <zenrox> thr1ce,  tho i run a nvidia card
[06:25] <da_bon_bon> thr1ce: 2.6.11 rocks! but u need to add "noinotify" in GRUB and u will not be able to use the ati nvidia drivers as htere are no restriced-modules
[06:26] <da_bon_bon> *there
[06:26] <zenrox> thares precompiled drivers
[06:26] <thr1ce> i would be using lilo
[06:26] <zenrox> but with 2.6.10 thay should work
[06:27] <da_bon_bon> thr1ce: lilo, and 2.4 both so old! why use them >?
[06:27] <thr1ce> lilo is not old...
[06:27] <thr1ce> and 2.4.29 is solid as a rock
[06:27] <factotum> i have lilo and 2.4 on my slack server
[06:27] <thr1ce> and actually updated
[06:27] <da_bon_bon> thr1ce: lilo is no flexible. grub is way better
[06:27] <thr1ce> sigh
[06:27] <da_bon_bon> thr1ce: 2.6 is the norm
[06:27] <thr1ce> 2.6 is still unstable in many people's eyes
[06:28] <da_bon_bon> thr1ce: says who ?
[06:28] <zenrox> not any more
[06:28] <thr1ce> pre 2.6.10 was
[06:28] <thr1ce> 2.6.10 seems to be good
[06:28] <zenrox> 3 days here in 2.6.10
[06:28] <zenrox> and my warty server 8 days with 2.6.8
[06:29] <Gillisadick> hi
[06:29] <zenrox> hello
[06:29] <thr1ce> and 2.4.29 is not old
[06:29] <HardKase> hi
[06:29] <HardKase> im installing ubuntu
[06:29] <zenrox> thr1ce,  point is 2.6.X is stable now
[06:29] <thr1ce> zenrox, that's waht I was wondering :)
[06:29] <HardKase> im putting it on my laptop. but after the inital "press enter to boot" screen, the menu options dont appear.
[06:30] <HardKase> what could be causing this ?
[06:30] <Dampjam> I LOVE UBUNTU!  Hoary is so sweet and cuddly!
[06:30] <zenrox> Dampjam,  kewl
[06:31] <HardKase> nope. still nothing :/
[06:31] <da_bon_bon> Dampjam: so do mst of the people here :)
[06:31] <thr1ce> anyone try out an ipod shuffle in linux yet?
[06:32] <HardKase> ok
[06:32] <HardKase> maybe ill have more luck with fendora core
[06:32] <thr1ce> LOL
[06:32] <Dampjam> hardkast: no!  do not go to the evil side
[06:32] <HardKase> its not installing
[06:33] <HardKase> theres little else i can do
[06:33] <schweeb> what's your problem, HardKase ?
[06:33] <Dampjam> hardkase: give hoary a shot if you want, it worked beautifully on my laptop
[06:33] <HardKase> i put the cd in the drive. i boot my laptop.
[06:33] <schweeb> Hoary is not for the faint of heart
[06:33] <HardKase> the ubuntu screen appears.
[06:33] <HardKase> i press enter
[06:33] <jdub> schweeb: (we're a day away from Preview release.)
[06:34] <HardKase> after that, a black screen, with a blue line going down in towards the right hand side
[06:34] <Dampjam> I have not had any major problems with hoary, are there large known bugs?  The only major issue I"ve had is sound
[06:34] <schweeb> jdub: yea, but still ;)
[06:34] <Dampjam> the Alsa guys have no ideas, Volume Monitor even shows the bars, no music comes out of the speakers though
[06:34] <HardKase> why would that happen ?
[06:35] <schweeb> HardKase: try linux vga=771 <enter> rather than just <enter>
[06:35] <schweeb> or what was the other option... framebuffer=off or something
[06:35] <HardKase> oh. i can type ?
[06:35] <HardKase> lol
[06:36] <HardKase> that worked
[06:36] <HardKase> thats schweeb
[06:36] <pe7er> aw. one last question before i fall asleep: how can i change the screen resolution in a text console? i mean like from 80x25 to 80x40 and all those nifty vesa goodies i used back in 1995?
[06:36] <schweeb> no  prob
[06:36] <thr1ce> edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:36] <schweeb> thr1ce: he's talking about on the console
[06:36] <HardKase> im very much a linux newbie. so i hope you can tolerate my questions.
[06:37] <pe7er> ^ ^ hoary. .... x11 for text consoles?
[06:37] <thr1ce> ooooh
[06:37] <thr1ce> sorry
[06:37] <schweeb> pe7er: append vga=771 onto the end of your kernel as well (I don't know any other modes by heart)
[06:37] <schweeb> but vga=xxx specifies the video mode... in hex I believe
[06:38] <pe7er> np. i just want to know the linux substite for 'mode' :)
[06:38] <HardKase> is there like a newbie guide to linux online somewhere ? a faq i can walk through ?
[06:38] <pe7er> i have some old oak vga manual... i guess i can look my favourite mode right there and pray it doesn't break my nvidia :)
[06:38] <factotum> HardKase: google for RUTE
[06:38] <Pluk> i use :  video=vesafb:1400x1050-16@60 for the framebuffer thingy
[06:38] <HardKase> rute ?
[06:38] <HardKase> ok!
[06:39] <factotum> its the first find, online book, a good read
[06:39] <dampjam> damn wireless
[06:39] <HardKase> damn. thats 44 chapters
[06:39] <HardKase> lol
[06:39] <R0bNyc> 2.6.11 kernel doesnt work right for me
[06:39] <HardKase> excellent
[06:39] <pe7er> aw. framebuffer. i might not get my ping fixed but i'll get framebuffer console graphics. future looks promising now, finally something i can look forward to. good night
[06:39] <factotum> ;)
[06:40] <Myrtti> morning all
[06:40] <thr1ce> R0bNyc, compiled yourself?
[06:40] <R0bNyc> thr1ce, nope
[06:40] <HardKase> so, http://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/book/index.html.gz <-- this is relvant to Ubuntu ?
[06:41] <factotum> yup
[06:41] <thr1ce> R0bNyc, what doesn't work?
[06:41] <factotum> your running linux arent you?
[06:41] <factotum> heh
[06:41] <factotum> but yes, it is
[06:41] <HardKase> heh
[06:41] <R0bNyc> thr1ce, I got 2.6.10-i686 image and it works fine, but 2.6.11-i686 or k7 dont work after ubuntu logs in it just seems to freeze
[06:42] <HardKase> <-- dumbass newbie, trying something new
[06:42] <factotum> we are all at some point
[06:42] <thr1ce> R0bNyc, do you have ati drivers installed...?
[06:42] <Myrtti> I had that same problem
[06:42] <Myrtti> R0bNyc: have you already tried apt-get upgrade?
[06:42] <R0bNyc> thr1ce, errr i dunno i think so
[06:45] <mike_douglas> I just may have experienced the weirdest opengl bug :P
[06:45] <mike_douglas> all my games (UT2k4, KOTOR2) run at a super-speed
[06:45] <zenrox> lol
[06:46] <mike_douglas> like 10x faster than they should normally run
[06:46] <da_bon_bon> isnt that great, mike_douglas
[06:46] <da_bon_bon> !
[06:46] <mike_douglas> not faster as in graphics, faster as in the actual game
[06:46] <mike_douglas> like it was fast-forwarded
[06:46] <thr1ce> does KOTR2 run native?
[06:46] <mike_douglas> through Cedega
[06:46] <dampjam> All the music players, xmms, mplayer, show the music playing, volume monitor, sees the bars go up and down, but nothing comes out of the speakers, I've followed the alsa troublehooting page, any ideas?
[06:47] <thr1ce> run alsamixer
[06:47] <thr1ce> see if you're muted
[06:47] <dampjam> done and done, as root and user (in alsa troubleshooting guide)
[06:47] <factotum> dampjam: are your media players running from alsa and not oss?
[06:48] <apollo> l
[06:48] <zenrox> dampjam,  or esd
[06:48] <dampjam> I am using alsa
[06:48] <dampjam> I checked all the configs, and did the ubuntu test sounds in gnome
[06:50] <dampjam> It's a sony laptop that has volume buttons on the side, is that just suppossed to call the OS, or could that be some sort of hardware control thing that ubuntu doesn't know how to handle?
[06:51] <mike_douglas> bah, I'm going to give the game one more try, hopefully it'll of slown down by now
[07:00] <jordanau> is there a shortcut key to open a terminal window?
[07:02] <da_bon_bon> jordanau: set for yuorself in "system-prefs.-keyboradrd shortcuts"
[07:06] <Quarupt> anyone ever got dreamweaver installed through wine lemme know plz
[07:07] <BiteMeBill> Anyone else getting pop ups with firefox?
[07:08] <dash> anyone running a dual head setup that's willing to help me figure out some bits of mine? :)
[07:08] <punkass> i am on a nvidia 5900xt
[07:09] <Jerub> dash: I run two identical 19" lcds dual head with no worries.
[07:09] <punkass> dash: what do ya need to know?
[07:09] <dash> Mostly i am wondering how to set different wallpaper for the different heads ;D
[07:09] <punkass> i am running a 17" lcd and a 17" crt without problems too
[07:09] <punkass> oh
[07:09] <punkass> something i havent done
[07:09] <Jerub> dash: the gimp.
[07:10] <dash> Jerub: That is a sad answer and it hurts me inside
[07:10] <punkass> i would think the easyest thing would be to take to wallpapers you like and stick them together using gimo
[07:10] <punkass> gimp*
[07:10] <dash> yeah well
[07:10] <regeya> I think you could do it with linux
[07:10] <Jerub> dash: or! use this: http://www.pixelfreak.com/v3/img/poster.png
[07:10] <dash> if i wanted easy, i would have stuck with console
[07:10] <dash> regeya: supar lunix!
[07:11] <jordanau> is there a open new terminal shortcut key
[07:11] <jsgotangco> hello
[07:11] <Jerub> (that is actually my background, its the coolest background ever)
[07:13] <regeya> I decided to google this interesting problem, dash, but my browser seems more interested in miss march
[07:13] <punkass> is there a simple way to get 32bit firefox running on 64bit without all the chroot stuff...just using the lib32 libraries?
[07:14] <Gillisadick> regeya - i like the sound of your browser
[07:14] <Gillisadick> lol
[07:14] <HardKase> dammit
[07:14] <Quarupt> punkass, what does that question have to do with Ubuntu?
[07:14] <HardKase> im too lazy to fix that
[07:14] <punkass> Quarupt: i am running ubuntu 64bit
[07:15] <punkass> would not have asked here if i wasn't
[07:15] <Quarupt> oh i thought you said windows 64 edition my bad
[07:15] <punkass> heh eww..nope
[07:16] <Quarupt> thats why im using the 32 bit version cause i didnt wanna deal with all that, runs fine on my AMD Athlon 64
[07:17] <punkass> yeah but i noticed a big diff in performance running the 64bit version
[07:17] <da_bon_bon> hey, all hoary users, how is gnome 2.10 ?
[07:17] <punkass> the only thing i am really missing is flash
[07:18] <Quarupt> da_bon_bon, Flawless as far as i can tell so far
[07:18] <_4strO> yop
[07:18] <punkass> da_bon_bon: yes..its working fine for me
[07:18] <jsgotangco> ill go hoary when it comes
[07:18] <jsgotangco> hehe
[07:19] <Quarupt> just go now
[07:19] <Quarupt> its fine
[07:19] <dotrig> how  installl my frimware
[07:19] <Quarupt> hasnt broke on me yet
[07:19] <blizah> does ubuntu come w/ support for SATA RAID, and if not can i apt-get anything to support it?
[07:19] <NateDogg> has anyone here had sucess in running ubuntu linux in a Microsoft Virtual PC window?
[07:19] <delltony> anyone have an idea why my router would have port 20 to 21 enabled on tcp and udp and then i have proftpd running and netstat says port 21 is listening and then i do nmap on the router and it says the port is open BUT I CAN'T CONNECT to my ftp server
[07:19] <blizah> cause im having trouble seeing my windows filesystem (which is on a raid)
[07:19] <Jerub> blizah: software RAID can be configured during the installation process, don't know about SATA.
[07:20] <Quarupt> punkass, Yea, but doesnt it suck trying to find all the 64bit apps? and libs?
[07:20] <dotrig> any know how i install my frimware
[07:20] <punkass> blizah: i installed hoary on a sata device (not raid tho) only have one drive right now and it worked fine
[07:20] <punkass> Quarupt: only thing i have missed so far is Flash
[07:20] <da_bon_bon> Quarupt, punkass: updating to it now :)
[07:21] <Quarupt> I am trying to wine/dreamweaver right now
[07:21] <NateDogg> has anyone here had sucess in running ubuntu linux in a Microsoft Virtual PC window?
[07:21] <blizah> any ideas how i would go about getting ubuntu to see my windows?
[07:21] <blizah> wihch is on a SATA RAID
[07:21] <eyequeue> NateDogg:  not supported, yadda yadda, but i think somoene said it doesn't work because it doesn't get enough direct access to the hardware
[07:21] <Quarupt> man, it doesnt wanna work
[07:21] <HardKase> Starting Ubuntu...
[07:21] <HardKase> yay!
[07:21] <Quarupt> I need my Dreamweaver
[07:21] <eyequeue> NateDogg:  just hearsay, no personal experience
[07:21] <Quarupt> punkass, maybe i will get vmware and give the 64bit a try
[07:22] <thr1ce> when did 2.10 come out?
[07:22] <punkass> NateDogg: VMware runs ubuntu fine on XP
[07:22] <Quarupt> gtk?
[07:22] <Myrtti> so, is there a way of getting certain software to startup at gnome login?
[07:22] <NateDogg> ok.. i got it to boot.. however the display was all messed up.. and i dont know enough about ubuntu to work it out.... I would suspect it's a driver issue.
[07:22] <jsgotangco> ubuntu with OOo 2 should be great
[07:22] <thr1ce> OOo2 should be awhile, no?
[07:23] <Quarupt> NateDogg, its not an issue of knowing Ubuntu, its an issue of knowing X
[07:23] <jsgotangco> yeah :(
[07:23] <NateDogg> punkass>> i have a VMware GSX server key.. just no GSX server... i need to get it off my mate
[07:23] <jsgotangco> but it'll be worth the wait i hope
[07:23] <dotrig> why will not my hotplug install frimware harddrive
[07:23] <punkass> NateDogg: I think you can just get VMware workstation beta of there site
[07:24] <punkass> dogrig: what are you trying to do?
[07:25] <Quarupt> anyone know an easy way to setup an IRCD?
[07:25] <punkass> Myrtti: you can set it in the menu
[07:25] <HardKase> :)
[07:25] <dotrig> start my frimware harddrive'
[07:25] <Myrtti> punkass: really? and I thought I had looked thru everything
[07:25] <dotrig> in fc3 was he aldrey there
[07:25] <punkass> one sec let me look...you running hoary or warty?
[07:25] <Echylo> how does gnome transparancy works?
[07:25] <NateDogg> punkass>> i would probably consider it if i wasnt on dialup again... Ill reinstall in a virutal PC... and perhaps ask for some help in the X server config... is the an equilivant to "safe mode" or a command setup tool that i can run during boot??
[07:26] <punkass> NateDogg: well normally when X fails it drops you to a prompt
[07:26] <punkass> Myrtti: under preferences there shouuld be Sessions
[07:26] <NateDogg> it's not "failing" it's just to crap to look at you cant really see what the hell is going on...
[07:27] <punkass> Myrtti: and a tab that says Startup Programs
[07:27] <waseem> how do i check my permission nodes?
[07:28] <waseem> I was having a problem with software and the faq says to
[07:28] <waseem> A: Check nodes permissions (/dev/ttySx)., can anyone here help em with the process?
[07:28] <punkass> NateDogg: ok they try a Ctrl-Alt-F4 , that should take you to a prompt where you can log in and edit X files etc
[07:28] <eyequeue> waseem:  ls -l
[07:28] <Myrtti> well, what do you know
[07:28] <eyequeue> waseem:  ls -l /dev/ttySx
[07:28] <punkass> Myrtti: :)
[07:28] <waseem> ls: /dev/ttySx: No such file or directory
[07:28] <punkass> waseem: x is supposted to be a number
[07:28] <eyequeue> waseem:  ls -l /dev/ttyS*, x is probably not literal
[07:28] <thr1ce> lol
[07:29] <NateDogg> punkass>> ill give that i try
[07:29] <thr1ce> ls -l /dev | grep tty
[07:29] <thr1ce> er...
[07:29] <waseem> eyequeue: so should i just put an asterisk?
[07:29] <NateDogg> punkass> im reinstalling Ubuntu again now
[07:29] <thr1ce> ls -l /dev/* | grep -i tty
[07:29] <eyequeue> wacko_-:  sure, if you know know if it's 0 1 2 etc
[07:29] <waseem> thrice: is that for me?
[07:29] <thr1ce> sure
[07:29] <eyequeue> waseem:  ^^
[07:29] <punkass> NateDogg: is it doing it on install or on boot up after install?
[07:30] <thr1ce> find your tty
[07:30] <waseem> there a tons of them, which one should be my tty?
[07:30] <NateDogg> punkass>> after install... i would say it's an X server issue...
[07:30] <punkass> ah ok
[07:32] <waseem> eyequeue: what do i do?
[07:32] <NateDogg> punkass:: coping files now.. shoudlnt take too long...
[07:35] <waseem> thrice: do you have any ideas on what i can do?
[07:36] <dotrig> how i install scons.deb etc?
[07:36] <delltony> anyone here use proftpd and don't mind helping me get it working?
[07:36] <dotrig> when i aldrrey have a deb file
[07:36] <punkass> dotrig: if you just want to install that deb, do: sudo dpkg -i scons.deb
[07:37] <HardKase> still installing
[07:37] <HardKase> :)
[07:37] <HardKase> hasn't blown up yet
[07:37] <eyequeue> waseem:  what is the device?
[07:38] <waseem> TI 89 Titanium, im connecting it through a USB port
[07:38] <eyequeue> waseem:  ls -l /dev/modem, if it is your modem, for example, and see which tty it points to
[07:39] <waseem> should my calculator be connected at all times?
[07:39] <waseem> ls: /dev/modem: No such file or directory
[07:39] <eyequeue> no idea, but i would guess no
[07:39] <hayden> hi people
[07:40] <waseem> eyequeue: nothing was detected
[07:40] <punkass> waseem: is there linux drivers for your calculator?
[07:40] <waseem> punkass: i did not set up any
[07:41] <eyequeue> waseem:  you don't want a modem there, you want something usb, but i don't know what.  modem was just an example
[07:41] <punkass> well when you run it on windows did you have to install drivers?
[07:41] <hayden> does anyone know how to make an icon appear on the desktop when i mount an smb share?
[07:41] <dazed> wassup all
[07:41] <waseem> punkass: i use the TI connect software and it automatically detects the hardware
[07:42] <punkass> hayden: its a setting in Gconf
[07:42] <Quarupt> Can anyone help me setup a fileserver?
[07:42] <waseem> other than that, i dont do anything to detect the calculator
[07:42] <punkass> yes but there is no TI connect for linux?
[07:42] <waseem> im using tilp
[07:43] <punkass> ah ok
[07:43] <waseem> and its giving me an error message, and on the faq it told me to check the node permission
[07:43] <waseem> A: Check nodes permissions (/dev/ttySx).
[07:43] <HardKase> ding! installation complete!
[07:43] <hayden> punkass, what and where is gconf? (mind my noobness)
[07:43] <HardKase> wow
[07:43] <eyequeue> waseem:  fwiw, /dev/ttyS0 is a serial port
[07:43] <HardKase> pretty login screen
[07:43] <dash> dazed: whoa hey! i am not the only ubuntu user in birmingham
[07:44] <dash> dazed: hi
[07:44] <HardKase> ok
[07:44] <HardKase> im in
[07:44] <HardKase> now what do i do ...
[07:44] <Myrtti> hmmmm
[07:44] <waseem> eyequeue: so what do i do?
[07:44] <eyequeue> waseem:  i don't know, just wanted to give you that background, in case it later proves helpful
[07:44] <HardKase> ok
[07:45] <HardKase> quick question
[07:45] <HardKase> how do i use the gui ?
[07:45] <punkass> hayden: System Tools > Config Editor > apps > nautilus > desktop > check volumes_visible
[07:45] <HardKase> its a foot in the corner
[07:45] <HardKase> but nothing i click on seems to work
[07:45] <HardKase> oh wait
[07:45] <HardKase> it doesn't seem to detect my laptop tap
[07:45] <HardKase> my bad
[07:45] <waseem> eyequeue: oh ok, well do you know how i can check the nodes permissions, or set up the driver or anything to have the software detect my calc?
[07:45] <punkass> ls -al /dev/ttyS0
[07:45] <punkass> will show you the permissions
[07:46] <waseem> crw-rw----  1 root dialout 4, 64 2005-03-07 06:20 /dev/ttyS0
[07:46] <woodwizzle> wow I must say, my first impression with hoary is amazing!
[07:46] <dazed> dash: hey...im actually in jacksonville
[07:46] <eyequeue> waseem:  i don't have the info to help you preceisely, but if you wanted the perms for ttyS0, ls -l /dev/ttyS0
[07:46] <punkass> waseem: are you running tilp as root?
[07:47] <dash> dazed: hah. the last guy i talked to with a bhm.bellsouth.net address was in gadsden :)
[07:47] <waseem> punkass: no
[07:47] <punkass> try that...might be worth a shot
[07:47] <punkass> sudo tilp
[07:47] <woodwizzle> so far everything works outta the box, or with just a few upgrades in the beautiful synaptic package manager
[07:47] <dazed> hahah what u doing out in bham u in school>
[07:47] <punkass> or whatever the command is
[07:47] <dash> dazed: no
[07:47] <dash> dazed: i am just living here ;)
[07:47] <punkass> woodwizzle: yeah its pretty slick eh
[07:48] <dazed> dash: ahhh ... thats cool i got some friends at birmingham southern is why i ask
[07:48] <delltony> anyone here use proftpd and don't mind helping me get it working? for some reason its listening on port 21 and the ports are forwarded but i can't connect :(
[07:48] <HardKase> ok. this is on a laptop. is there a application i can use to check current battery charge ?
[07:48] <woodwizzle> punkass: pretty much convinced me to drop just about every other distro I've tried
[07:48] <dash> proftpd is a great tool for letting complete strangers fill up your hard drive
[07:48] <punkass> woodwizzle: yeah i felt the same way
[07:48] <punkass> HardKase: there should be an applet you can add for it
[07:49] <hayden> punkass, volumes_visible was checked and they still don't show up :?
[07:49] <delltony> apt-get install battery-stats
[07:49] <punkass> hayden: hmmm are you sure they are mounted?
[07:49] <hayden> yea
[07:49] <punkass> hoary or warty?
[07:50] <hayden> warty
[07:50] <punkass> not sure then
[07:50] <hayden> hmm ok
[07:50] <hayden> is there a special way u need to mount them or should they just work
[07:50] <waseem> punkass: it wont show me the same files that i want to transfer
[07:50] <Quarupt> PLZ, there must be an easy way to set up a file server
[07:50] <hayden> Quarupt, what do u mean file server?
[07:51] <Quarupt> ftpd
[07:51] <punkass> waseem: but running as root got you farther?
[07:51] <punkass> Quarupt: cant you just apt-get proftpd or wsftp or something
[07:51] <Quarupt> yea i have one
[07:51] <Quarupt> but no clue howto set it up
[07:52] <HardKase> oh cool. it already has open office installed
[07:52] <Hell-Razor> anybody here have the new cedega?
[07:52] <HardKase> thats good. cause i know sweet fuck ALL about installing proggies on linux
[07:52] <waseem> punkass: no
[07:52] <Quarupt> which ftp is the easiest to configure for a newb?
[07:52] <punkass> Quarupt: well i think apt usually sets most of it up for you and starts it running
[07:52] <hayden> Quarupt, http://www.siliconvalleyccie.com/linux-hn/ftp-server.htm#_Toc92808792
[07:52] <punkass> not sure..ftp is evil and weak :)
[07:52] <woodwizzle> does hoary have inotify?
[07:53] <Echylo> if I would type sudo apt-get distupgrade && shutdown now would it shutdown after upgrading?
[07:53] <Jerub> nope
[07:53] <thr1ce> shutdown?
[07:53] <Jerub> shutdown would be run as the current user.
[07:54] <Echylo> ok
[07:54] <Echylo> sudo -s
[07:54] <Jerub> I would type:
[07:54] <Jerub> sudo su
[07:54] <Jerub> apt-get dist-upgrade && shutdown
[07:54] <punkass> woodwizzle: from the forums: "- Let's remove the bit about inotify, since it is quite likely that we will
[07:54] <punkass> be disabling it per default in Hoary due to stability issues"
[07:54] <thr1ce> change it to sudo shutdown -h now
[07:54] <dazed> yeah i always wondered whats the easiest way to upgrade distro
[07:54] <Hell-Razor> anybody here have the new cedega?
[07:54] <Echylo> ok
[07:54] <Echylo> so
[07:54] <Echylo> sudo -s
[07:54] <Echylo> apt-get dist-upgrade && shutdown -h now
[07:54] <Echylo> ?
[07:54] <woodwizzle> punkass: Ah, bummer. I still havn't gotten to try the new beagle yet
[07:55] <Jerub> oh, 'halt'
[07:55] <HardKase> ummm
[07:55] <HardKase> man
[07:55] <punkass> woodwizzle: but at least it says: "by default" so hopefully we can add it later
[07:55] <HardKase> yay! i changed the time.
[07:55] <woodwizzle> hmm, yelp keeps crashing on me. I wonder if this is a hoary problem or a gnome 2.9 problem
[07:56] <Echy|School> hopes it shutdown
[07:56] <Echy|School> or my mom will be mad
[07:56] <Echy|School> :P
[07:56] <punkass> woodwizzle: i thought the lastest beagle didnt rely on inotify anymore?
[07:57] <dazed> so apt-get dist-upgrade is how to upgrade ubuntu?
[07:57] <woodwizzle> punkass: no, but its not really all that impressive without it.
[07:57] <Echy|School> no
[07:57] <thr1ce> apt-get update first
[07:57] <punkass> ah i see
[07:57] <thr1ce> update will update the list and compare with what you've got
[07:57] <Echy|School> dazed, first you have to change every entry in /etc/apt/sources.list warty => hoary
[07:57] <Echy|School> then apt-get update
[07:58] <Echy|School> then dist-upgrade
[07:58] <dazed> is hoary better than warty?
[07:58] <Hell-Razor> anybody here have the new cedega?
[07:58] <waseem> ticables:     node /dev/tiser0: does not exists
[07:58] <waseem> how do i create that/
[07:58] <waseem> ?
[07:58] <thr1ce> how well does hoary get rid of xfree86 and replace with xorg?
[07:58] <bwlang> dazed: better if you want to be on the bleeding edge... otherwise not better
[07:58] <blizah> how do you change your resolution in ubuntu?
[07:59] <punkass> Hell-Razor: i am guessing that since no one answered, probably not ;)
[07:59] <thr1ce> blizah, edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:59] <blizah> k
[07:59] <blizah> tnx
[07:59] <Hell-Razor> punkass: figures
[07:59] <bwlang> thr1ce: i didn't try an upgrade... but xorg works better for me that xfree86 (dynamic clocks support)
[07:59] <thr1ce> and restart X
[07:59] <HardKase> yeah! i made MAry_Jones.letter
[07:59] <HardKase> i am a 1337 h4x0r now
[07:59] <thr1ce> bwlang, yes, i love x.org
[07:59] <dazed> so will it pay to get hoary or keep warty?
[07:59] <thr1ce> just curious how well the upgrade works
[07:59] <waseem> here is the error: node /dev/tiser0: does not exists, how can i create that node?
[07:59] <bwlang> blizah: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf or XF86Config.conf
[07:59] <punkass> thr1ce: the upgrade is pretty smooth, I had no problems
[08:00] <bwlang> dazed: keep warty until hoary is released
[08:00] <dazed> ok
[08:00] <thr1ce> well...how efficient, i suppose is a better word
[08:00] <thr1ce> automated updating scares me (i'm a slackware user remember....)
[08:00] <Jerub> thr1ce: oh.
[08:01] <blizah> bwland, i have no xorg.cfg file in x11
[08:01] <Jerub> thr1ce: okay, put it this way, I've been doing automated upgrades with debian for 4 years. I very seldom had any problems at all.
[08:01] <thr1ce> xorg.conf
[08:01] <punkass> hehe..well i dunno..i changed my sources file, apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade, said yes to a pile of new files...waited..rebooted and i had a new hoary system
[08:01] <thr1ce> or xfree86.conf for warty
[08:01] <punkass> xorg.conf
[08:01] <blizah> ah k
[08:01] <Jerub> thr1ce: and I've not had any with doing dist-upgrade on ubuntu.
[08:01] <punkass> xorg.conf is what you get in hoary
[08:02] <thr1ce> blizah, ls -l /etc/X11/* | grep x*.conf
[08:02] <thr1ce> should find it
[08:02] <thr1ce> unless i'm newb
[08:04] <punkass> waseem, if i had to guess its looking on a serial port but should be looking on a usb port
[08:04] <blizah> stephen@linux:/etc/X11 $ ls -l /etc/X11/* | grep x*.conf
[08:04] <blizah> -rw-------    1 root     root          771 2005-03-03 15:22 /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config
[08:04] <blizah> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root         1711 2004-11-17 08:27 config
[08:04] <blizah> /etc/X11/sysconfig:
[08:04] <blizah> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root         7621 2004-11-17 08:27 README.config
[08:04] <blizah> stephen@linux:/etc/X11 $
[08:04] <waseem> when the uhci_hcd module detects a connect on USB, how do i bind that to a readable device node
[08:05] <blizah> im not seeing either xorg nor xfree86
[08:05] <thr1ce> um....
[08:05] <punkass> blizah: try  X*.conf at the end
[08:05] <thr1ce> run updatedb
[08:05] <thr1ce> as root
[08:05] <punkass> it should be XF86config-4 if you are on warty
[08:05] <blizah> ah ok
[08:05] <thr1ce> yeah
[08:05] <blizah> got that one :D
[08:06] <crimsun> waseem: you need to do that manually?
[08:06] <waseem> crimsun, i guess, its not doing it automatically
[08:06] <punkass> ah crimsun is a smart guy...he knows the answers to all ;)
[08:06] <Hell-Razor> hey guys how would i install a .deb package?
[08:06] <thr1ce> man...if I had confirmation that ATI 3d drivers worked with 2.6.11, i'd switch instantly
[08:06] <punkass> Hell-Razor: sudo dpkg -i packagename.deb
[08:06] <lool> Hell-Razor: dpkg -i
[08:07] <Hell-Razor> lool, punkass, ty
[08:07] <lool> Hell-Razor: most Debian packages are distributed via APT repositories, that you can configure in your /etc/apt/sources.list though
[08:08] <Hell-Razor> lool, is point2play?
[08:08] <lool> no idea
[08:08] <StoffBox-Steve> no
[08:08] <thr1ce> no
[08:08] <Hell-Razor> didnt think so
[08:08] <thr1ce> that's a commercial product
[08:08] <thr1ce> you have to pay for that
[08:08] <thr1ce> with cedega
[08:08] <Hell-Razor> yea, pay...alright
[08:08] <StoffBox-Steve> p2p is non-free, there is no package in any respo
[08:08] <thr1ce> ...
[08:09] <thr1ce> Hell-Razor, wanna bet?
[08:09] <Burgundavia> thr1ce: they do
[08:09] <thr1ce> i know
[08:09] <thr1ce> i thought he didnt' believe me
[08:10] <punkass> i thought you could get cedega from cvs and build it yourself?
[08:10] <calamari> hi
[08:11] <StoffBox-Steve> cedega yes but for p2p you need an account :)
[08:11] <punkass> ah
[08:11] <blizah> is the first resolution setting in that stream of resolution types the one im on?
[08:12] <punkass> yes
[08:12] <bob2> punkass: yes, but if you make it easy for other people to do that, transgaming will beat you up
[08:12] <StoffBox-Steve> so bye all, have to work now.
[08:12] <punkass> bob2: hehe i bet
[08:12] <blizah> k
[08:12] <blizah> any of you guys play counterstrike under cedega?
[08:13] <punkass> blizah: you should see Depth set (usually) to 16 or 24 then the list of resolutions below that number is where your at
[08:13] <NateDogg> punkass:: the Crtl-Alt-F4 worked to take me to the prompt....
[08:14] <punkass> NateDogg: i am waiting for a ..but
[08:14] <NateDogg> punkass:: LMAO... what is the Xserver config command?
[08:15] <punkass> you on hoary or warty?
[08:15] <NateDogg> i have noidea
[08:15] <punkass> lol
[08:15] <punkass> did you download the cd?
[08:15] <NateDogg> this is my first exposure to Ubundu
[08:15] <NateDogg> no... it came on PC authority
[08:16] <punkass> ok its probably warty then
[08:16] <NateDogg> see i cant even spell it correct
[08:16] <punkass> /etc/X11/XF86config-4 is the file you want
[08:16] <punkass> lol
[08:17] <NateDogg> found the file... do i try to run it? or edit it?
[08:17] <punkass> its just a text file so edit it
[08:17] <NateDogg> opened with vim
[08:18] <_4strO> gedit would be easyer
[08:18] <punkass> he has no desktop :)
[08:18] <_4strO> except if u are familary with vim
[08:18] <_4strO> ha :p
[08:18] <_4strO> sorry :p
[08:18] <NateDogg> LOL..
[08:18] <NateDogg> not overly familiar.. unless there is a better console editor that come with
[08:19] <punkass> i think there is nano...but i have never used it
[08:19] <_4strO> yep
[08:19] <_4strO> or editor
[08:20] <punkass> hehe editor is nano
[08:20] <_4strO> ^^
[08:20] <NateDogg> everything in the file looks correct to me... any ideas on what to be looking for... it's detected the video card S3 trio 32/64
[08:20] <_4strO> NateDogg> apt-get install xserver-xorg
[08:20] <_4strO> if its possible
[08:21] <NateDogg> how big is xorg?
[08:21] <punkass> what is it doing again?
[08:21] <punkass> big if you are on dialup, you will cry
[08:21] <_4strO> sure
[08:21] <NateDogg> id better start crying then...
[08:21] <crimsun> 65 MB at least
[08:21] <paulproteus> nano
[08:21] <punkass> what was your comp doing wrong again?
[08:22] <waseem> agh why does linux always have to have problems??
[08:22] <waseem> i just want to connect a stupid calculator to my computer
[08:22] <jeff_> hey guys. how can i compile a microsoft visual c++ program under linux
[08:22] <punkass> because no companies make good or any drivers for linux
[08:22] <NateDogg> the screen in the virutal PC when X starts goes screwed... all out of shape looks like crap interlacing basicaly unreadable
[08:22] <_4strO> so try dpkg-reconfigure xf86 ...
[08:22] <_4strO> never remember the exact name :/
[08:22] <calamari> is there a good program to delete duplicate files from a directory?  I'm coverting windoiws icons and there are tons of duplicates
[08:22] <crimsun> jeff_: use g++ to compile the source code
[08:22] <helloyo> has anyone here installed the OOo beta?
[08:23] <punkass> what is the driver set to?
[08:23] <punkass> helloyo, yes...its very nice
[08:23] <helloyo> punkass, just wondering, since its rpm will alien work?
[08:23] <crimsun> helloyo: are you running hoary?
[08:23] <punkass> oh hoary reps have it already
[08:23] <helloyo> crimsun, nope, warty
[08:23] <_4strO> NateDogg> i don't know
[08:24] <_4strO> look on the virtual machine doc
[08:24] <punkass> NateDogg: what is the driver set to?
[08:24] <NateDogg> _4strO:: HA.. there is nothing about that... int eh doc
[08:24] <HardKase> whoever told me to google rute. i love you. i love the information in that.
[08:24] <HardKase> hmmm
[08:24] <NateDogg> in the config file it showed the S3 tri 32/64... and that is what virtual PC emulates
[08:25] <HardKase> takes almost as long as xp to boot :/
[08:25] <jeff_> crimsun: there are a few .c files
[08:25] <jeff_> and some headers
[08:25] <jeff_> how can i get them all to compile
[08:25] <NateDogg> punkass:: if you run MSN messenger i could application share the virutal PC window with you.
[08:26] <crimsun> jeff_: is there a Makefile?
[08:26] <punkass> NateDogg..there is a full howto on ubuntus site for virtualPC
[08:26] <jeff_> no
[08:26] <crimsun> jeff_: then you'll have to use gcc
[08:26] <punkass> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-07.0656256783
[08:26] <Myrtti> I just tried bitlbee
[08:26] <HardKase> ok] 
[08:26] <helloyo> is anyone here running OOo beta under warty?
[08:26] <Myrtti> wow
[08:26] <HardKase> how do i get ubuntu to play divx's, xvids, mp3s, and dvds ?
[08:27] <crimsun> /wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:27] <jeff_> right, but how do i compile them all into one executibal. like i said the instrustions say load the project file for microsoft visual stuido
[08:27] <helloyo> HardKase, www.ubuntuguide.org, and install totem-xine
[08:27] <HardKase> is that a directory ?
[08:27] <NateDogg> punkass:: really i couldnt find that before.. ill have a look at it now
[08:27] <crimsun> jeff_: if the source code wasn't designed to be portable, then you're going to have to modify it as necessary
[08:27] <punkass> heh no prob..i actually found it through google :)
[08:27] <HardKase> ill charge my lappy and look at it later
[08:27] <_4strO> ubuntu-calendar-march <-- how can i use it ?
[08:27] <HardKase> i can mkdir and ls like a pro now
[08:28] <HardKase> i can cp and mv too
[08:28] <punkass> you are 133t
[08:28] <punkass> ;)
[08:28] <HardKase> haha
[08:28] <crimsun> jeff_: one rudimentary method is to compile each .c separately, then link them all together into one executable along with any referenced libraries
[08:28] <HardKase> its not as forigen as it originally looks
[08:28] <HardKase> i can pick up one or two similarities with dos, and that makes me comfortable
[08:28] <jeff_> this is going to be quite the task
[08:29] <punkass> NateDogg: looks like step #6 should fix you up.
[08:29] <_4strO> ubuntu-calendar-march plz
[08:29] <_4strO> ubuntu-calendar-march <-- how can i use it plz ?
[08:29] <Myrtti> just put the wallpaper on your desktop
[08:29] <crimsun> _4strO: secondary-click on the desktop, choose Change Desktop Background, and select the March background
[08:30] <Myrtti> that's it :->
[08:30] <_4strO> haaaaaaaaaaaa
[08:30] <_4strO> kk
[08:30] <_4strO> thx
[08:30] <_4strO> :p
[08:30] <_4strO> too easy :p
[08:30] <_4strO> i was try calendar in terminal :p
[08:30] <Hell-Razor> so far ubuntu is the shit
[08:30] <punkass> ding-ding
[08:31] <Hell-Razor> lol
[08:31] <punkass> hehe
[08:31] <Hell-Razor> i kind of miss gentoo though
[08:31] <Myrtti> what's stopping you then
[08:31] <Myrtti> if Ubuntu is teh shit, why whine. Switch to gentoo.
[08:32] <Hell-Razor> wanted to try a diff distro
[08:32] <punkass> hehe..i went though the install a couple o times and that was enough for me..back to my happy apt-get
[08:32] <delltony> what is a really simple ftpserver for ubuntu?
[08:32] <Hell-Razor> punkass, the gentoo install? i got it on my first try, although it took me about 4 days
[08:32] <punkass> haha
[08:32] <helloyo> can i apt-get into warty?
[08:32] <Hell-Razor> whats the difference between the warty and harty install?
[08:33] <punkass> hoary is what is coming out in april
[08:33] <Myrtti> warty and hoary, you mean?
[08:33] <punkass> its development right now so its not as stable (tho it is most of the time)
[08:33] <Hell-Razor> ooh yes
[08:33] <Hell-Razor> hoary
[08:33] <Hell-Razor> whatever
[08:33] <Hell-Razor> what is the difference?
[08:33] <crimsun> it's fairly stable - preview release is Wednesday (tomorrow)
[08:34] <punkass> whoa really? cool
[08:34] <delltony> xfree and xorg
[08:34] <delltony> thats the big difference
[08:34] <punkass> just install array6 on amd64..worked like a charm
[08:34] <Hell-Razor> ...
[08:34] <Hell-Razor> punkass, i use amd64 also
[08:34] <punkass> and the new gnome
[08:34] <Myrtti> warty is stable. It's freezed, like Debians stable
[08:35] <Myrtti> hoary is the current development version, which will be replaced by ... when it's freezen
[08:35] <crimsun> (replaced by Hoary+1)
[08:35] <shock> lol
[08:35] <Hell-Razor> lol
[08:35] <Myrtti> I think it already has a name, I just can't remember it
[08:35] <Hell-Razor> horay ++ you mean
[08:36] <punkass> grumpy or something?
[08:36] <Agrajag> grumpy groundhog
[08:36] <Myrtti> prolly yes
[08:36] <punkass> Hell-Razor: here is a list of hoary goals: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryGoals
[08:36] <Agrajag> they're gonna run out of hogs pretty soon
[08:36] <azriel0184> where do you guys come up with these names?
[08:37] <calamari> thanks "fdupes" for deleting all those duplicate files :)
[08:37] <bradg> Agrajag, After grumpy is perky penguin.
[08:38] <NateDogg> punkass:: worked... thanks for that.. dont know why i couldnt find it my self... tried google and the ubuntu website
[08:38] <punkass> NateDogg: good stuff...no worries
[08:38] <delltony> can someone tell me what a good ftp server to use with ubuntu is please?
[08:39] <crimsun> delltony: vsftpd
[08:39] <Myrtti> what about Debian potato, or Debian woody, or Debian sarge
[08:39] <Myrtti> those names suck too
[08:39] <delltony> aww thats the name of it i was trying to think of it couldn't remember thanks
[08:39] <crimsun> toy story characters' names "suck"?
[08:39] <crimsun> ;-P
[08:39] <Myrtti> crimsun: the same as Ubuntus names
[08:39] <punkass> delltony: there is wu-ftpd or proftpd too
[08:39] <Myrtti> does it really matter?
[08:40] <crimsun> Myrtti: nope
[08:40] <Myrtti> what's the difference
[08:40] <Myrtti> indeed
[08:40] <delltony> well proftdp didn't like me
[08:40] <Myrtti> next issue
[08:40] <delltony> i couldn't get it to let me in
[08:40] <punkass> well vsftpd sounds pretty good as far as ftp goes
[08:40] <delltony> well is there a config file for it somewhere
[08:41] <delltony> so i can setup the dir?
[08:41] <crimsun> delltony: proftpd won't by default. It forces you to read the documntation.
[08:41] <crimsun> documentation^
[08:41] <delltony> crimsun, thanks for that ;)
[08:41] <delltony> i did read the manual
[08:41] <delltony> and i set up the config
[08:41] <crimsun> delltony: I meant the READMEs in /usr/share/doc/proftpd/
[08:41] <punkass> crimsun: do you know the stats on openoffice beta/2.0 for 64bit in ubuntu?
[08:41] <crimsun> punkass: I'm afraid I don't, sorry
[08:41] <punkass> i noticed there are a few files there
[08:42] <punkass> ok thanks
[08:42] <delltony> well i used the sample anonymous config on its wiki page
[08:42] <delltony> it listens but i can't seem to login
[08:43] <Hell-Razor> delltony, lol it listens but i cant login
[08:43] <Hell-Razor> ha
[08:43] <Hell-Razor> thats kinf od funny
[08:43] <Hell-Razor> kind of
[08:43] <delltony> well the port is listening
[08:43] <delltony> but i can't login to it
[08:44] <Hell-Razor> sux
[08:44] <delltony> don't see where that is funny but ok
[08:44] <Hell-Razor> well im just really tired
[08:46] <Hell-Razor> wtf
[08:46] <Hell-Razor> how do i get xmms to paly an mp3
[08:47] <crimsun> Hell-Razor: choose an mp3 for xmms to play. Make sure the output plugin is set to esound.
[08:47] <Hell-Razor> it wont even add it to the list
[08:48] <jjpmr52> sa
[08:49] <jjpmr52> can someone help me
[08:49] <Myrtti> not if you don't tell what the problem is
[08:49] <jjpmr52> when i write i can't seee what i'm writing in X chat
[08:50] <jjpmr52> but i can read after that i've done enter
[08:50] <johnnybezak> jjmpr52: its probably a colours issue
[08:50] <johnnybezak> jjmpr52:
[08:51] <andreas> G` morning
[08:52] <Hell-Razor> howcome apt-get doesnt have xmms-mp3
[08:52] <Hell-Razor> cause thats what im missing
[08:53] <Myrtti> Hell-Razor: because mp3 is a closed format
[08:53] <Myrtti> add a debian repository, then search
[08:53] <Myrtti> you'll prolly find it then
[08:53] <Hell-Razor> how do i add a debian repo
[08:53] <Myrtti> nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:53] <crimsun> xmms-mp3?
[08:53] <andreas> open a term
[08:54] <crimsun> why would you need that?
[08:54] <andreas> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:54] <Myrtti> I'm off to shower
[08:54] <Myrtti> -->
[08:54] <Myrtti> \o/ andreas!
[08:54] <andreas> In the bottem insert this: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main
[08:55] <andreas> save and go to term
[08:55] <andreas> sudo apt-get update
[08:55] <punkass> apt-get install xmms-mad
[08:55] <punkass> should already be in ubuntu
[08:55] <andreas> sudo apt-get install xmms
[08:55] <punkass> but you have to enable 'universe' in the repository list
[08:55] <andreas> xmms isn`t in hoary
[08:56] <punkass> i dont think he is in hoary
[08:56] <crimsun> um, xmms is in main
[08:56] <Hell-Razor> no i dont have hoary
[08:56] <crimsun> both warty and hoary
[08:56] <Hell-Razor> and i already have xmms
[08:56] <Hell-Razor> just not the mp3 plugin
[08:57] <punkass> Hell-Razor: you just need xmms-mad
[08:57] <crimsun> Hell-Razor: sure you do: dpkg -L xmms|grep mpg
[08:58] <Hell-Razor> /usr/lib/xmms/Input/libmpg123.so
[08:58] <Hell-Razor> that mad did it
[08:58] <Hell-Razor> ty guys
[08:58] <punkass> np
[08:59] <soleblaze> how do you edit the applications menu under gnome 2.9?
[08:59] <crimsun> 2.9? You don't.
[08:59] <crimsun> You can add .desktop files, however.
[08:59] <punkass> to here /usr/share/applications
[08:59] <GhostFreeman> How do you change the default display font in Firefox?
[09:00] <soleblaze> err, who thought of that idea
[09:00] <soleblaze> are you going to be able to in 2.10?
[09:00] <punkass> crimsun: is there something being added to hoary before the release for that?
[09:00] <crimsun> punkass: no
[09:01] <andreas> bugfixes
[09:01] <punkass> hmm might have to warm up my python skills and create something :)
[09:01] <crimsun> go for it
[09:01] <punkass> skills...who am i kidding lol
[09:01] <andreas> Well... huys and dolls
[09:01] <andreas> guys that was
[09:01] <soleblaze> crimsun: you know why they changed it so you can't edit it?
[09:02] <andreas> Can anyone help me change the splash screen?
[09:02] <punkass> tho i have already created a glade interface for it...but thats the easy part
[09:04] <Quarupt> what are some of the ftp packages ?
[09:04] <punkass> vsftpd
[09:04] <punkass> thast what you need
[09:04] <crimsun> soleblaze: it's probably more fruitful to search the history of the gnome-menus module
[09:05] <Quarupt> punkass, Will is set itself up? how to create accounts, and tell it what directories?
[09:08] <punkass> Quarupt: sorry never set it up before
[09:08] <Quarupt> lol great
[09:09] <andreas> what are you talking about?
[09:09] <punkass> i do everything through sftp
[09:09] <Quarupt> sftp?
[09:09] <Quarupt> how do i use it?
[09:09] <punkass> its part of ssh
[09:09] <Quarupt> oh
[09:10] <Quarupt> i just wanna set up an account i can use from work
[09:10] <punkass> so you just log in with your regular user name etc
[09:10] <Quarupt> so i have personal file storage there
[09:10] <punkass> then you have access to all your files in your home directory etc
[09:10] <Quarupt> ok
[09:10] <punkass> and its waaay more secure than ftp
[09:13] <Quarupt> yea but ya have to do all that wget and uploading can be difficult
[09:13] <Quarupt> oh i know the problem, i cant use telnet or a ssh client at work
[09:13] <Quarupt> just http
[09:13] <Quarupt> this is why i wanted to use ftp
[09:14] <punkass> how come? do they block ports?
[09:14] <Quarupt> No, just againts the rules
[09:14] <punkass> ah
[09:14] <Quarupt> and my boss is constatly over my shoulder
[09:14] <Quarupt> its a shared workstation
[09:14] <punkass> well then vsftp would be good...
[09:14] <punkass> ah
[09:15] <Quarupt> How can i setup an account?
[09:15] <punkass> i understand the no telnet rule but ssh is pretty secure
[09:15] <punkass> i dunno...apt-get it then read the docs
[09:16] <onkarshinde> When is next release scheduled?
[09:16] <crimsun> april
[09:17] <Quarupt> maybe theres a way to set up a vnc server so i can use the java applet online to connect to my comp at work
[09:17] <gma> I can't find tomboy packages for warty, but I used to have 'em. Has the getsweeea repo dropped 'em?
[09:18] <onkarshinde> crimsun: thanks.
[09:18] <punkass> yeah but how do you transfer your files across?
[09:18] <Quarupt> good question
[09:18] <Quarupt> maybe there is a web client for shh somewhere
[09:19] <TTilus> Quarupt: can't install nothing on your "remote" computer (at work)?
[09:20] <punkass> Quarupt: i just install vsftp, and with out doing anything i can goto ftp://localhost and its there
[09:21] <Quarupt> punkass, mine hangs on beginning ftp transaction
[09:23] <TTilus> Quarupt: if you can get vnc connection, do you _need_ to transfer files
[09:24] <lool> what's the simplest way of getting the gnome-desktop-environment in Ubuntu?  tasksel?
[09:25] <viper12> lool........???ubuntu uses the gnome desktop by default.
[09:26] <lool> viper12: I've just dchroot'ed a new environment, so only the base pacakges are installed
[09:26] <viper12> use apt then.
[09:26] <lool> I'd like to go to the point where I have a "standard hoary", but I've no clue where the default list of packages is
[09:26] <virtuald> get ubuntu-desktop
[09:26] <lool> viper12: sure, on gnome-desktop-environment?
[09:26] <punkass> apt-get install ubut....what he said :)
[09:26] <lool> ah ubuntu-desktop
[09:26] <viper12> nods
[09:27] <viper12> i was referring to the method of "getting" not the actual package. lol
[09:27] <Hell-Razor> howcome i cannot install transcode guys?
[09:27] <Hell-Razor> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[09:27] <Hell-Razor>   transcode: Depends: libdvdread2 but it is not installable
[09:27] <Hell-Razor>              Depends: libvorbis0 (>= 1.0rc3-1) but it is not installable
[09:27] <Hell-Razor> does make any sense
[09:27] <viper12> just dinking around with xfce right now.........pretty sweet lil' gui for older boxes imho
[09:27] <lool> Hell-Razor: where did you get transcode?
[09:27] <Hell-Razor> lool: apt-get install transcode
[09:28] <lool> Hell-Razor: W: Unable to locate package transcode
[09:28] <viper12> i think he was askin' which repos you needed to add to sources.
[09:28] <lool> Hell-Razor: get the videolan repo
[09:28] <Hell-Razor> hrm
[09:28] <Hell-Razor> which one is that
[09:28] <Hell-Razor> i just isntalled ubuntu last night
[09:28] <lool> http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-debian.html
[09:29] <punkass> Quarupt: ok so i made a couple changes to the conf file now i have no anon login and use my username and password to login
[09:29] <Quarupt> whcih one?
[09:30] <punkass> vsftpd
[09:30] <Quarupt> can ya login via browser?
[09:30] <punkass> i just logged in via gftp..let me try browser
[09:30] <Hell-Razor>   transcode: Depends: libdvdread2 but it is not installable
[09:31] <Hell-Razor>              Depends: libvorbis0 (>= 1.0rc3-1) but it is not installable
[09:31] <Hell-Razor> E: Broken packages
[09:31] <Hell-Razor> sigh
[09:31] <lool> Hell-Razor: again, where did you get trasncode? from Marillat's repo?
[09:31] <punkass> Quarupt: yup firefox asks for username and password
[09:31] <Hell-Razor> imn trying to
[09:31] <Hell-Razor> i dont have it
[09:31] <Quarupt> ok
[09:31] <Hell-Razor> lool, im trying to apt-get it...i do not have it yet
[09:32] <lool> Hell-Razor: yeah, but you're trying to get it from Marillat's repository?
[09:32] <Myrtti> did you do that sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[09:32] <Hell-Razor> lool, i believe
[09:32] <lool> Hell-Razor: 'cause I strongly recommend you avoid using it
[09:32] <Hell-Razor> lool, whys that
[09:32] <lool> it's completely messed up, and unofficial
[09:33] <Hell-Razor> well
[09:33] <Hell-Razor> i need to get growisofs
[09:33] <Hell-Razor> bad
[09:34] <punkass> crimsun:ping
[09:34] <Quarupt> punkass, ok im gunna install it from synaptic, and edit the conf, or try anyways
[09:34] <punkass> ok..well it worked for me
[09:35] <crimsun> punkass: pong
[09:35] <Quarupt> wheres the conf?
[09:35] <punkass> crimsun: i just noticed that sudo touch afile makes the owner root and the group staff...is the staff part something new to hoary?
[09:36] <crimsun> not that I know of. What's pwd?
[09:36] <punkass> hmm
[09:36] <Quarupt> punkass, wheres the conf?
[09:37] <punkass> well i did a sudo touch in the home dir and it made it group staff
[09:37] <HardKase> ok
[09:37] <punkass> but if i do a sudo touch in my own home dir then it makes it root:root
[09:37] <HardKase> my default ubuntu install has the totem movie player
[09:37] <punkass> Quarupt: /etc/vsftpd.conf
[09:38] <Quarupt> thx
[09:38] <Quarupt> how do i rehash it?
[09:38] <punkass> ?
[09:38] <Hell-Razor> does anybody here know what growisofs comes from? what package?
[09:38] <punkass> crimsun: well i did a sudo touch in the home dir and it made it root:staff
[09:39] <punkass> crimsun: but if i do a sudo touch in my own home dir then it makes it root:root
[09:39] <crimsun> Hell-Razor: dvd+rw-tools
[09:40] <joh_> is there any way in a debian system to see which package a file comes from?
[09:40] <Hell-Razor> crimsun: i have that installed but yet i do now have a groisofs
[09:40] <crimsun> joh_: dpkg -S, dlocate, apt-file, ...
[09:40] <joh_> crimsun, hehe, OK :*)
[09:41] <crimsun> punkass: that makes sense:
[09:41] <crimsun> punkass: ls -l /
[09:41] <crimsun> drwxrwsr-x   13 root staff  4096 Mar  7 05:31 home
[09:41] <punkass> haha sorry...you are right..must be gettin sleepy
[09:41] <punkass> thanks
[09:41] <crimsun> np
[09:43] <Quarupt> punkass, is it setup be default as a dameon?
[09:43] <punkass> yes i believe so
[09:43] <Quarupt> so its allready running? is it port 20 or 21?
[09:43] <punkass> 21
[09:44] <punkass> in your browser just goto ftp://localhost
[09:44] <punkass> or ftp://127.0.0.1
[09:45] <Quarupt> I know but i need to setup port forwarding on my router
[09:45] <Quarupt> so what port?
[09:45] <punkass> it says right in the config file
[09:45] <Hell-Razor> does anybody here use dvd backup
[09:46] <Quarupt> so its 20 okay
[09:46] <Quarupt> and it didnt ask for a log on when i used my browser to connect?
[09:46] <punkass> Quarupt: its port 21
[09:46] <Quarupt> oh ok
[09:47] <Quarupt> why didnt it want a logon when i connected?
[09:47] <punkass> i guess that port in the config is not the listening port
[09:47] <Quarupt> and i cant go anywhere lol
[09:47] <Quarupt> grr
[09:48] <punkass> because by default it is set for no local and only anonymous access
[09:48] <Quarupt> oh
[09:48] <punkass> set this: anonymous_enable=NO
[09:48] <Quarupt> the conf says comment this out to allow anon access?
[09:48] <punkass> and this: local_enable=YES
[09:49] <punkass> then you will have no anon access and it will ask you for username and password
[09:49] <Quarupt> okay
[09:49] <punkass> and dont forget to do: /etc/init.d/vsftpd restart
[09:49] <Quarupt> i made the changes
[09:49] <punkass> after the changes
[09:49] <Quarupt> thats what i meant when i asked howto rehash
[09:49] <Quarupt> cool
[09:49] <punkass> ah
[09:50] <Quarupt> grr, it still doesnt come up with a login prompt?
[09:50] <Quarupt> wanna take a look at my conf
[09:50] <Quarupt> ill paste it in #flood
[09:51] <punkass> well those are the only two lines i edited ...i left all the rest default
[09:51] <Quarupt> are ya there
[09:51] <Quarupt> im gunna paste
[09:52] <punkass> well i just said that those two lines are the only lines i changed
[09:52] <punkass> join #flood
[09:52] <punkass> oops
[09:54] <Quarupt> please just look for me
[09:54] <punkass> Quarupt: haha yours asked me for a login
[09:54] <punkass> so its working
[09:54] <punkass> i just went there with firefox
[09:55] <punkass> 530 Login incorrect...:)
[09:56] <Gillisadick> heya
[09:56] <HardKase> still gotta fix that
[09:56] <HardKase> well
[09:56] <Quarupt> then why dont i get a login when i try?
[09:56] <HardKase> i have the basic commands under control
[09:56] <Quarupt> ya same with me
[09:56] <Quarupt> I think firefox is trying to login anon
[09:56] <Quarupt> must be somewhere to change it in prefs
[09:56] <HardKase> is there some way of copying files from a windows machine to a linux machine ?
[09:57] <fab31> hi ! :)
[09:57] <punkass> Quarupt: yeah maybe..but it seems to be working
[09:57] <HardKase> i suppose i could set up an ftp accross the network or something
[09:57] <GNAM> hi, i'm newbie of gcc
[09:57] <GNAM> how can I configure search path?
[09:57] <GNAM> for libraries
[09:57] <fab31> -L
[09:57] <punkass> HardKase: you could just make a share on the windows machine
[09:57] <GNAM> is there a configuration file?
[09:57] <punkass> and Ubuntu should be able to see it
[09:58] <fab31> GNAM: -L <path> for libs, -I <path> for includes
[09:58] <fab31> GNAM: no config file, it's a compiler =)
[09:58] <GNAM> ok thanks
[09:58] <GNAM> i need a .bat file ;)
[09:58] <fab31> erg
[09:58] <fab31> you can use
[09:58] <fab31> CFLAGS and LDFLAGS
[09:58] <fab31> export CFLAGS=-I/some/path
[09:59] <HardKase> punkass - i have a share on the windows machine
[09:59] <fab31> or LDFLAS=-L...
[09:59] <HardKase> ie .. the one im talking to you on now
[09:59] <Quarupt> punkass, ok i used different browser got a prompt, and then it sais could not open dir?
[09:59] <Quarupt> could not enter folder?
[09:59] <fab31> how can I get it working ? I want to install the debian package "gaphor"
[09:59] <fab31> Depends: python (< 2.4) but 2.4-0ubuntu6 is to be installed
[10:00] <fab31> how can I force it ?
[10:00] <Quarupt> -f
[10:00] <punkass> Quarupt: i dunno..ya got me..if you make a temp user i can try from my end..but other than that i am not sure
[10:00] <punkass> HardKase: then ubuntu should be able to see it
[10:01] <punkass> HardKasd: under Network Servers i believe
[10:01] <fab31> Quarupt: apt-get -f install gapho
[10:01] <fab31> do the same
[10:02] <Quarupt> what is gapho?
[10:02] <Quarupt> i dun want a client
[10:02] <fab31> gaphor
[10:02] <Quarupt> i need to do a web browser
[10:02] <Quarupt> cause im setting it up to use it from work
[10:03] <punkass> fab31: i got the same error..running the latest hoary release
[10:03] <HardKase> how do i install SMB support ?
[10:03] <esher> whats the ubuntu mp3 plugin to play mp3 ?
[10:04] <fab31> punkass: no workaround ?
[10:04] <punkass> esher: gstreamer0.8-mad
[10:04] <esher> tnx
[10:04] <punkass> np
[10:05] <Quarupt> man, can it be this hard to setup ftp
[10:06] <HardKase> ok
[10:06] <punkass> Quarupt, if you make a temp user i will try to login
[10:06] <Quarupt> oh ya i did
[10:06] <punkass> fab31: sorry not that i know of
[10:06] <HardKase> i need SMB support installed in order to run this on a windows network, is that correct ?
[10:07] <punkass> HardKase: only if you want to share files on the linux machine i believe
[10:07] <punkass> i have a fresh install of hoary here and i can see my windows machine
[10:07] <HardKase> punkass - ok. so i should be able to see the windows machine fine ?
[10:08] <HardKase> ok. where do i get SMB ?
[10:08] <HardKase> i take it it doesn't Stand for Super Mario Brothers.
[10:09] <HardKase> k
[10:09] <HardKase> ill bbiab
[10:09] <HardKase> whats a good linux irc client ?
[10:09] <fab31> HardKase: irssi
[10:09] <fab31> HardKase: or xchat maybe
[10:10] <punkass> xchat
[10:11] <punkass> HardKase: the main files are samba, smbfs, samba-client
[10:17] <esher> are there any mplayer package ready for ubuntu ?
[10:18] <punkass> esher: i believe there is but use synaptic search for anything you are curious about
[10:19] <hyphen-> howdy folks
[10:19] <xxenon> is root login disabled by default ?
[10:19] <hyphen-> yes
[10:19] <hyphen-> ive got a question for you guys
[10:19] <xxenon> how to get rid of thaz ?
[10:19] <xxenon> that*
[10:19] <hyphen-> not sure if you can
[10:19] <hyphen-> just use sudo
[10:19] <hyphen-> itll act as root
[10:20] <xxenon> I need to login in console
[10:20] <punkass> and if you want root for a full terminal just do sudo -s
[10:20] <xxenon> ok
[10:20] <punkass> then you will be root till you close the terminal
[10:20] <hyphen-> can anyone show me how to mount an undetected usb hd?
[10:21] <mgedmin> what's holding up https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1753 (ugly X cursors)?
[10:21] <HardKase> punkass - your right. i cant get my laptop onto the internet via my router. but i can see the other windows machines. i couldn't do that when i had xp on that machine. lol
[10:22] <punkass> hehe
[10:22] <mgedmin> oops, I meant https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6172
[10:24] <HardKase> punkass - any suggestions for getting my linux machine to connect via the router ?
[10:25] <punkass> wireless or wired?
[10:25] <HardKase> the network is working, and the gateway is set
[10:25] <HardKase> wired
[10:25] <HardKase> same network as the other machines
[10:25] <HardKase> i can see them
[10:25] <HardKase> its just not going online
[10:25] <punkass> ifconfig
[10:25] <hyphen-> have you edited your resolv.conf?
[10:25] <HardKase> resolv.conf ?
[10:26] <hyphen-> yeah
[10:26] <HardKase> whats ifconfig ?
[10:26] <HardKase> wqhats resolv.conf ?
[10:26] <hyphen-> run sudo gedit /etc/resolv.conf
[10:26] <punkass> its a command that will tell you your ip
[10:26] <HardKase> or
[10:26] <HardKase> i specified my ip
[10:26] <punkass> ah ok
[10:26] <HardKase> to one on the networks range
[10:26] <raghu> HardKase: try pinging to some near by machine
[10:26] <punkass> did you set your gateway as the ip of the router
[10:27] <HardKase> raghu - its on the network. i can acess the other machines, and copy files accross
[10:27] <HardKase> i just cant get onto the net via the router.
[10:27] <raghu> HardKase: ok
[10:27] <HardKase> punkass - indeed i did
[10:27] <raghu> HardKase: try pinging to gaterway can you ping?
[10:27] <punkass> do: cat /etc/resolv.conf
[10:28] <HardKase> k
[10:28] <HardKase> ill try that and brb
[10:28] <HardKase> ill tryin pinging it too
[10:28] <HardKase> bbiab
[10:30] <hyphen-> anyone wanna help me mount a usb device?
[10:30] <raghu> hyphen-: try dmesg|less to check weather it is beendetected
[10:30] <punkass> sudo mount /dev/sda1 /the/mount/path
[10:31] <punkass> and what raghu said
[10:31] <hyphen-> k
[10:31] <hyphen-> let me try that
[10:31] <hyphen-> yeah, it's being detected
[10:32] <hyphen->  /dev/scsi/host2/bus0/target0/lun0:
[10:32] <hyphen-> Attached scsi disk sda at scsi2, channel 0, id 0, lun 0
[10:32] <hyphen-> USB Mass Storage device found at 5
[10:32] <hyphen-> and what should the mount path be?
[10:32] <punkass> whatever you want
[10:32] <hyphen-> ah
[10:32] <punkass> you can make a directory in your home dir if you like
[10:33] <punkass> or use /mnt/newdir
[10:33] <punkass> or whatever
[10:33] <prego> I cannot make firefox or epiphany show antialiased fonts everywhere unless I select "use these fonts always". For instance, slahsdot news header is not antialiades (while the news body is OK).
[10:33] <prego> (I'm using hoary)
[10:34] <hyphen-> it says the file system isn't supported by the kernel
[10:34] <hyphen-> :(
[10:34] <prego> Hoewever that setting is not fine since sans sites show serif-like :-((
[10:34] <hyphen-> but it was working fine last night
[10:34] <hyphen-> i tried all file systems, but it's a fat32
[10:35] <prego> hyphen-, check it has not partitions
[10:35] <punkass> you tried mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mount/pint
[10:35] <hyphen-> oh, lemme try that.
[10:36] <hyphen-> prego: i had trouble checking it in windows as well
[10:36] <prego> hyphen-, does it mount as punkass says?
[10:36] <hyphen-> no :/
[10:36] <hyphen-> just tried
[10:37] <hyphen-> just gives me a help list of the mount command
[10:39] <prego> hyphen-, that is not correct. check the syntax... try either of these two lines:
[10:39] <prego> mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/pint
[10:39] <prego> mount /dev/sda /mnt/pint
[10:39] <prego> (assumming, /mnt/pint is the already created mount directory)
[10:39] <punkass> hmm that -t vfat should have worked
[10:40] <hyphen-> yeah, it says that i need to specify filetype
[10:40] <hyphen-> but when i add the -t vfat it gives me the list
[10:40] <prego> punkass, filesystem should have been detected
[10:40] <hyphen-> and when i use another fs type it says the kernel doesnt support it
[10:40] <xxenon> I added universe to get KDE, but KDE does not appear in GDM, any clue ?
[10:40] <punkass> yes is should , but sometimes it doesnt
[10:40] <hyphen-> yeah, i used this exact same usb drive last night
[10:41] <hyphen-> i dont know what happened
[10:41] <punkass> could have been like my wife and put it though the washing machine ;)
[10:41] <hyphen-> lol
[10:41] <hyphen-> i have some serious projects on there that i CANT lose
[10:41] <punkass> lucky for me it still worked
[10:42] <MyNameIsChris> I have given up and need help, I just replaced my 2ch speakers with 5.1ch on my ICH5R machine running Warty. How do I set them up?
[10:42] <GNAM> how can i made a tilde character on linux? altgr+ ?
[10:43] <prego> hyphen-, what about trying on another machine?
[10:43] <punkass> shift + `
[10:43] <hardkase_> hi
[10:43] <hyphen-> prego: i've tried booting from winxp, didnt mount, and other winxp boxes as well
[10:43] <hyphen-> it detects it, but doesn't assign it a letter
[10:43] <hardkase_> i got my linux box on irc!
[10:43] <hardkase_> it was dns settings
[10:43] <prego> GNAM, (in my keyboard, altgr+4)
[10:44] <hyphen-> i checked the disk properties in winxp and it said "unallocated" under it
[10:44] <GNAM> uhm, i must config keyboard better
[10:44] <hyphen-> but when i was using a shareware disc recovery tool it found all my files and folders
[10:44] <punkass> hyphen: that is bad i believe :0
[10:44] <hyphen-> nooooo!
[10:44] <hyphen-> how can i fix it? :(
[10:45] <punkass> well what happened with the recovery tool?
[10:45] <hyphen-> it's shareware, they tried to charge me like $100 dollars
[10:45] <GNAM> @[[] ] }}``~~~~~
[10:45] <GNAM> wow found.
[10:45] <prego> GNAM, lol
[10:45] <hyphen-> but i'm trying to go all alternate routes, i don't want to blow money out of my ass for something i can fix myself...if possible
[10:46] <punkass> ah i see
[10:46] <hyphen-> what's it mean when the disk contents is unallocated?
[10:46] <prego> hyphen-, I agree, but I can't help you any further :-(((
[10:46] <hyphen-> poo, well thanks for trying man
[10:46] <punkass> yeah its sounds like the partition table or something is hosed on the drive
[10:46] <hyphen-> fuuuck
[10:46] <pepsi> do you remember exactly how the partitions were setup?
[10:46] <prego> hyphen-, it means probably that it cannot find a filesystem as much as linux can't also
[10:46] <hyphen-> it was just one large partition
[10:47] <hyphen-> fat32 partition
[10:47] <punkass> and i dont know any freeware data recovery tools
[10:47] <pepsi> so put it back
[10:47] <pepsi> just dont format
[10:47] <hyphen-> put what back?
[10:47] <punkass> getdataback is a good one but its shareware too
[10:47] <pepsi> the partition table
[10:47] <hyphen-> how would i put the partition table back without having to repartition the drive?
[10:47] <punkass> tho i know there is 'fixed' versions of it floating around the web
[10:47] <hyphen-> ahh
[10:47] <hyphen-> maybe i oughtta check some xdcc bots
[10:48] <pepsi> you can repartition to your hearts content and nothing will happen
[10:48] <pepsi> till you intialize one of the partitions
[10:48] <hyphen-> so wait, i use a partition app to partition the drive, but don't partition the drive?
[10:48] <hyphen-> i'm lost =/
[10:48] <MyNameIsChris> '/. is fsked again
[10:48] <MyNameIsChris> :'(
[10:48] <pepsi> partition != initialize
[10:48] <hyphen-> ooh
[10:49] <MyNameIsChris> Fixed
[10:49] <MyNameIsChris> Phew
[10:49] <hyphen-> can someone recommend good partition software that i can get through apt?
[10:49] <pepsi> whats wrong with fdisk
[10:49] <hyphen-> dont like the interface too much :P
[10:50] <punkass> gparted is gtk gui
[10:50] <hyphen-> ah, ak
[10:51] <hyphen-> brb folks
[10:52] <hardkase_> punkass - thank you. i think i may finally have enough of a grasp of this linux thing to actually make it work :)
[10:53] <punkass> hardkase_: no problem..glad yer havin fun
[10:53] <ntoll> hi, PHP5 is going to be in hoary?
[10:53] <hardkase_> im installing acrobat reader! im practicall 1337 now
[10:54] <punkass> ntoll: so far i only see php4 in hoary..
[10:55] <punkass> hardkase_: there is a new acrobat reader beta 7 out..its pretty nice..a lot nicer than 5.5
[10:55] <punkass> hopefully adobe will release the full version soon
[10:58] <Jerub> acrobat 6 works fine in wine
[10:58] <Jerub> iirc
[10:58] <Jerub> I used to use it instead of the dodgy native version
[10:58] <punkass> yeah but the navtive 7 is pretty nice
[10:58] <punkass> *native
[10:58] <Jerub> punkass: but it doesn't run on linux does it?
[10:59] <punkass> well adobe release a beta of 7 which was native to linux
[10:59] <punkass> but the full release hasnt come out yet
[10:59] <punkass> i got to try it and it was pretty slick
[10:59] <cezar[] > hi guys, does ubuntu live cd have X and gaim on it ?
[11:00] <punkass> pretty much the same as the windows 7 version
[11:00] <punkass> yes
[11:00] <cezar[] > or is there a contents list ?
[11:00] <punkass> cezar[] : yes it does have both
[11:00] <Amaranth> err
[11:00] <Amaranth> how do i change my gdm theme?
[11:00] <Amaranth> i have the one i want in /usr/share/gdm/themes already
[11:01] <Amaranth> i just can't find the tool that lets me change that anymore in hoary
[11:01] <punkass> System > Prefs > Theme
[11:02] <Amaranth> yeah, i don't see anything about gdm in there
[11:02] <prego> punkass, is that beta of acrobat 7 avaiable anywhere?
[11:02] <Amaranth> i thought that's where it'd be too
[11:02] <hyphen> okay, so how do i go about putting the partition info back into my hd?
[11:03] <Amaranth> oh
[11:03] <punkass> i tried looking for it and could not find it anywhere...i mean its the internet so it must be out there somewhere ;)
[11:03] <Amaranth> System > Administration > Login Screen Setup
[11:03] <Amaranth> bleh
[11:03] <prego> punkass, is it still motif based?
[11:03] <punkass> its not near as ugly as 5 from what i remember
[11:03] <djp> can anybody here tell me how you read the email messages that are reported at the command line, for example after you apt-get? i sometimes get a message saying i have new mail in /var/mail/username or something along those lines.
[11:04] <prego> djp, you can us the "mail" command or configure evolution to read local mail
[11:04] <prego> use
[11:04] <djp> prego: thanks
[11:05] <prego> djp, mail command has a hard interface (at least at the beginning) so I would recommend you to configure evolution
[11:05] <punkass> yes mail is a little raw
[11:06] <prego> it is OK for advanced user (quick and so on), but for normal user ....
[11:06] <punkass> hehe
[11:07] <djp> prego: how would you configure evolution to read local mail?
[11:07] <Quarupt> anyone know why all the sudden my inetd is listening on my ftp port?
[11:08] <prego> djp, do you have evo already configured for extern mail?
[11:10] <djp> prego: yes
[11:11] <prego> djp, OK, then just edit mail preferences and add another account, (edit->preferences-> mail accounts->Add)
[11:12] <prego> djp, and for that account, choose at "recieving email" Server Type->Local delivery
[11:13] <prego> djp, you'll see that "configuration path" becomes /var/mail/user_name
[11:13] <prego> djp, use sendmail for sending mail or even none for this account
[11:13] <prego> djp, that should be enough.
[11:14] <prego> djp, you may also create filter so the incomming email for this account is stored at a given floder
[11:14] <prego> folder
[11:14] <djp> prego: thanks. i will give that a go now...
[11:14] <punkass> prego: is there a way to have evolution do seperate inboxs for each account sorta like thunderbird?
[11:15] <prego> punkass, yes, using filters
[11:15] <punkass> ah i see
[11:15] <prego> punkass, however the default is not to do that
[11:16] <punkass> yeah...i want to try evo but i am so used to TB that i found it awkward
[11:16] <djp> prego: what should i enter for my email address?
[11:16] <prego> djp, nothing unless you want to send email ;-) by now just user_name@localhost
[11:17] <djp> prego: the reason i ask is that i cannot progress any further until that section is filled in. i will use the username@localhost for now then, right?
[11:17] <prego> djp, that is fine
[11:17] <prego> djp, you are right
[11:17] <Treskewl> hello, anyone got some time to help me?
[11:18] <djp> prego: thanks
[11:18] <prego> Treskewl, no one, Just ask and pray
[11:18] <prego> djp, np
[11:18] <Treskewl> prego, lol
[11:19] <prego> Treskewl, I have asked once and answared another one. However my question was lost in the hyperspace :-P/;-)
[11:20] <Treskewl> ok, here goes. Anyone know what this means: Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(3,1)
[11:20] <prego> Treskewl, wow
[11:21] <Treskewl> prego, lol, I came home from work and rebooted my server and got that.. :/
[11:21] <prego> Treskewl, which filesystem were you using?
[11:23] <prego> Treskewl, also, try a live CD and see if you can mount the partition manually
[11:24] <Treskewl> prego, i tried a live cd, and i tried to get into it but i dont know entirely what to do
[11:24] <Amaranth> oh man, the animated progress bar in clearlooks 0.4 looks fantastic
[11:25] <punkass> ding-ding!
[11:25] <prego> Amaranth, not everyone likes it, but I agree
[11:25] <punkass> i think it is subtle enough not to offend to many people
[11:26] <VladDrac> 'llo
[11:26] <VladDrac> does anyone if it's possible to disable tapping on a laptops touchpad? (Without any specific native drivers)
[11:26] <VladDrac> and are there any good wireless tools for ubuntu for network selection?
[11:27] <punkass> there is netapplet and someone else has just release one into the forums...i have yet to try it but it sounds pretty good
[11:27] <zeedo> VladDrac: the tappign can be controlled in the X config file
[11:27] <prego> Treskewl, just, for instance, with the CDlive, mkdir /mnt/hda1; mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1
[11:28] <VladDrac> zeedo do you happen to know which option?
[11:28] <prego> Treskewl, sorry, you can browse the hard disk??
[11:29] <punkass> ValdDrac: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=18466&highlight=wireless
[11:29] <VladDrac> cheers
[11:29] <VladDrac> (kwifimanager isn't an option I just found out)
[11:30] <Treskewl> prego, i just worked out how to do it and mounted the drive. I have full access now. Any ideas where to start?
[11:30] <VladDrac> ah, gtk+python, what more could I want :)
[11:30] <punkass> hehe..well that link has only been posted a couple o days so it may be buggy..but probably worth a shot
[11:30] <prego> Treskewl, probably I'm wrong but it looks like the grub configuration is wrong so the machine wont start
[11:31] <prego> Treskewl, I suggest you check the [---] /boot/grub/menu.lst from the mounted drive
[11:31] <gsuveg> re
[11:32] <punkass|zzzz> nite all
[11:32] <gsuveg> anyone use vncserver ? i cant start it under hoary
[11:32] <djp> prego: thanks for the help. working like a charm!
[11:33] <prego> Treskewl, however you may probably need to do more advanced things like chrooting (and here I cannot help you since I don't know really how it works)
[11:33] <prego> djp, ;-))
[11:33] <hardkase_> hey
[11:33] <hardkase_> im having some trouble with totem
[11:33] <punkass|zzzz> gsuveg: something like vncserver -geometry 800x600 -depth 24
[11:33] <hardkase_> it failed to create a gstreamer play object
[11:33] <hardkase_>  updated all that
[11:34] <hardkase_> :/
[11:35] <punkass|zzzz> hardkase_: try gst-register-0.8
[11:36] <hardkase_> gst register 0.8 ?
[11:36] <hardkase_> how do i run that >
[11:36] <punkass|zzzz> gst-register-0.8
[11:37] <hardkase_> im basically copying commands outta the newbie guide :)
[11:37] <punkass|zzzz> sudo gst-register-0.8
[11:37] <punkass|zzzz> or sorry no sudo
[11:37] <punkass|zzzz> just: gst-register-0.8
[11:37] <hardkase_> ahah
[11:37] <hardkase_> thanks man
[11:38] <hardkase_> is it possible to mount virtual drives >
[11:38] <hardkase_> ??
[11:38] <punkass|zzzz> well when you create a virtual drive it is usually mounted i believe
[11:38] <hardkase_> uhh. i mean virtual cd drives
[11:39] <hardkase_> and that didn't work
[11:39] <punkass|zzzz> oh
[11:39] <punkass|zzzz> well i am not sure on both of those questions
[11:39] <punkass|zzzz> it is 2:30am here..and i am very sleeepy
[11:39] <VladDrac> 'tpconfig' sounds like something interesting to disable tapping..
[11:39] <punkass|zzzz> i think you might be able to mount an iso image...(maybe)
[11:40] <hardkase_> ahh well
[11:40] <Quarupt> its 230 am here and i have had 2 oxycotins and im still stayn up
[11:40] <punkass|zzzz> hehe
[11:40] <prego> hardhase_, to mount an iso image: sudo mount -o loop file.iso /mnt/destiny
[11:40] <hardkase_> haha
[11:41] <hardkase_> well. its notquite working yet
[11:41] <hardkase_> ill work on it some more tommorrow
[11:41] <prego> hardkase_, provided the /mnt/desitny exists
[11:41] <hardkase_> prego, ill look into it
[11:41] <hardkase_> thanks for that
[11:41] <Quarupt> is vmware free?
[11:41] <jesuel> Nope
[11:42] <Quarupt> grr
[11:42] <jesuel> Vmware is a commercial product
[11:42] <jesuel> and a not cheap one at that.
[11:42] <Quarupt> do they have a trial or something?
[11:42] <jesuel> I believe there is.
[11:42] <jesuel> Or at least there was.
[11:42] <coroner> my applications menu seems to crash alot, i havent installed any new programs since last reboot either. when i say crash i mean, the applications menu will expand but accessories, games etc wont open to show the files within? any idea why this happens?
[11:42] <prego> Quarupt, Vmware is an excellent quality commercial product, thought
[11:43] <jesuel> prego, aye it is good
[11:43] <prego> coroner, perhaps something failed at config when last update
[11:44] <coroner> it was working fine up until about 2 mins ago
[11:44] <Quarupt> which vmware product do i need to run ubuntu64 from Ubuntu?
[11:44] <prego> coroner, there is an dpkg option to config all unconfigured packages
[11:44] <soulhack> How (if) do I enable ubuntu to play MP3's?
[11:44] <jesuel> Quarupt, What are you trying to do anyhow?
[11:44] <coroner> okay prego ill have a look for that cheers
[11:45] <prego> Quarupt, you have a 64bit CPU, don't you?
[11:45] <Quarupt> ya
[11:45] <prego> coroner, also you may try if that happens with any other user
[11:45] <jesuel> I have a 64bit cpu as well. I run hoary x86_64 for most stuff, but I have a few applications chroot'ed into a 32bit environment
[11:46] <Quarupt> jesper, sounds like its complicated to do
[11:46] <Quarupt> where can i get this Hoary x86_64 iso?
[11:46] <prego> Quarupt, listen to jesuel. Eventhough vmware is good, the resulting performance is about 50% of the machine possibilities....
[11:46] <jesuel> Quarupt, uh, array-6 has a 64bit iso
[11:47] <Quarupt> what is array 6?
[11:47] <jesuel> prego, vmware is actually very fast
[11:47] <jesuel> prego, but im cheap :)
[11:47] <chantry> how can I enable automatically dma on my cdrom at boot ? I have to launch /etc/init.d/hdparm after each reboot
[11:47] <jesuel> array-6 is the hoary testing canidate that was released a few days ago
[11:47] <prego> jesuel, I was sure that the performance was about a 50%
[11:47] <Quarupt> ok so where can i dl the ISO?
[11:48] <jesuel> Quarupt, Array 6 is released! http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/array-6/
[11:48] <jesuel> what cpu do you have?
[11:48] <Quarupt> AMD athlon 64 3200
[11:48] <Quarupt> i think
[11:48] <hardkase_> :)
[11:48] <Quarupt> the one thats backwards compatible for 32
[11:48] <jesuel> prego, shrug. I can tell. My cpu never goes above the 800mhz step in powernowd, even when im running gnome ;p
[11:48] <hardkase_> yeah
[11:49] <hardkase_> The Athlon 64 is backwards compatible
[11:49] <chantry> hey can anyone help ?
[11:49] <hardkase_> i think my fingers broken. hurts like fuck whenever i move it
[11:49] <Burgundavia> All hoary users, can you click on the evolution icon on the taskbar and see if it spits up an error
[11:49] <Quarupt> jesuel, iso should i grab?
[11:49] <chantry> nobody have dma troubles ? I've problem on my 2 laptops, so there is something wrong I guess
[11:50] <jesuel> Quarupt, It *IS* backwards  compatible. IE, you can run 64bit applications. Although you might want to download the i386 version. It runs a little better in my opinion and then if you require a 64 bit application you can chroot that.
[11:50] <chantry> Burgundavia, it works here
[11:50] <prego> Burgundavia, also works for me
[11:50] <Quarupt> jesuel, i am running the i386 right now
[11:50] <jesuel> ok
[11:51] <Quarupt> the whole point is that i wanna try the 64bit one
[11:51] <jesuel> oh
[11:51] <jesuel> then download it :)
[11:51] <Quarupt> lol
[11:51] <jesuel> everything *should* work.
[11:51] <Quarupt> is it a bitch not having 32bit stuff
[11:51] <chantry> where can I find some help please?
[11:51] <soulhack> how do i enable linux to play my MP3? :)
[11:51] <jesuel> You can have 32bit stuff, its just a pain to run it
[11:51] <prego> Quarupt, there is also the liveCD for 64bit....
[11:51] <HardKase> grr
[11:51] <StoffBox-Steve> gi guys i have a question, how can i see application/x-ms-dos-executable in plaintext, what editor i need ?
[11:51] <prego> soulhack, install gstreamer-mda
[11:51] <jesuel> prego, aye
[11:52] <HardKase> the damn laptop just died
[11:52] <soulhack> where can i find all those things?
[11:52] <jesuel> soulhack,  sudo apt-get install gstreamer-mad
[11:52] <prego> oh, sorry it is gstreamer-mad, yes
[11:52] <soulhack> that was silly easy
[11:52] <Quarupt> Man, i love the internet today, when i first started using it, downloading a 560MB iso in under 15 mins was UNHEARD of
[11:52] <jesuel> soulhack, thats how it is.
[11:52] <soulhack> haha
[11:53] <jesuel> Quarupt, heh, yeah i downloaded the iso for ubuntu quick too
[11:53] <jesuel> course I have about ~30 mbit/sec download speed
[11:53] <soulhack> hey, someone gave me a link to a site yesterday- there were a lot of umm.. code-snippets, how-to get that working
[11:53] <HardKase> Quarupt - i remember when the internet was unheard of
[11:53] <Quarupt> damn wish i had a blank so i could actually burn it
[11:53] <soulhack> ofc i lost the link
[11:53] <HardKase> hopping from bbs to bbs
[11:53] <HardKase> on my 2600
[11:53] <prego> Quarupt, jesuel you are very bad guys, my connection is much slower ;-P
[11:53] <Quarupt> no way i can mount the ISo and install like that is there?
[11:53] <jesuel> HardKase, dude I started with bbs's on  a 300baud modem
[11:53] <monsun> hi everyone, server related question: any chance of php4-mysql and similar being supported in hoary? it's in universe at the moment, but i'd like to put hoary on a web server that i'm setting up soon, and i'd really like to stay clear of universe if at all possible...
[11:54] <jesuel> Quarupt, you could, but its suggested to just burn it :)
[11:54] <Quarupt> aww i dropped down to 400K
[11:54] <HardKase> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/ <-- soulback
[11:54] <soulhack> thanks
[11:54] <Burgundavia> prego, chantry: thanks
[11:54] <Quarupt> lol complaining about 400k, never thought id see the day
[11:54] <jesuel> prego, what kinda connect on?
[11:54] <HardKase> heh
[11:55] <HardKase> any advice when i comes to running media on a linux machine ?
[11:55] <Quarupt> thast like 1 Mbit
[11:55] <prego> jesuel, 54Kbyte/sec at max
[11:55] <jesuel> prego, mine = 30mbit down / 5mbit up w/ a /29 ip netblock
[11:55] <jesuel> prego, ew
[11:56] <Quarupt> i guess i could use this CDRW, but its my ultimate boot disk with INSERT!
[11:56] <prego> jesuel, I don't understand how you can donwload an iso in 15 minutes, then
[11:56] <monsun> another thing, is tomorrow's preview release likely to be much different, if at all, from the latest daily images? anyone know? please?
[11:56] <tuppa> hrm
[11:56] <tuppa> how come this usb keydrive won't be detected at all
[11:56] <tuppa> must be amd64 :\
[11:56] <Burgundavia> monsun: not really
[11:57] <tuppa> works perfectly fine under hoary in x86
[11:57] <Burgundavia> monsun: the point is that people can update and stay the same
[11:57] <jesuel> prego, try  downloading the iso in 3 minutes :)
[11:57] <jesuel> prego, thats how long it took me
[11:57] <monsun> burgundavia: thanks -- would i be better off with latest daily or array 6 if i want to install now and upgrade to final when it's released?
[11:58] <tuppa> ooooh
[11:58] <tuppa> apparently the usb ports headers on this mobo is different to the ones at the back...
[11:59] <djp> prego: what would you consider a minimum system spec to run ubuntu?
[11:59] <Quarupt> so what are pros/cons of running Ubuntu AMD64 version over i386 version?
[11:59] <Quarupt> will every app i install have to be made for 64bit os?
[12:00] <Quarupt> I dont think there is a limeiwre 64bit
[12:00] <jesuel> ill bbiab, configuring j2se + azureus
[12:00] <jesuel> Quarupt, yes. To run natively you will have to have 64bit applications throughout
[12:01] <jesuel> It /Would/ be nice for that to happen. But it will be a while for that.
[12:01] <virtuald> what about the 64bit kernel+32bit apps compatibility in the cpu? isn't it implemented in linux?
[12:01] <Burgundavia> monsun: my box is a warty preview box that is currently running the latest hoary, so I would install when you want to and let dpkg intelligently do its thing
[12:02] <soulhack> Do i need a specific player to play mp3?
[12:02] <bob2> soulhack: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[12:02] <lok> virtuald, amd64 hardware is compatible with 32bits apps
[12:02] <lok> but
[12:02] <tuppa> libraries are an issue
[12:02] <virtuald> B] 
[12:03] <lok> some programme like flash player, wine ...etc can't handle 64
[12:03] <jesuel> lok, exactly
[12:03] <monsun> quarupt: you will get somewhat better performance with the amd64 build, since it's compiled to take advantage of all that your cpu has to offer... and i haven't found any packages missing for my amd64 installation so far...
[12:03] <prego> I've lost fam functionality with my hoary upgrade... do I have to install fam? because seems not to be a hoary package
[12:03] <Burgundavia> prego: fam is replaced by gamin
[12:03] <monsun> Burgundavia: many thanks
[12:03] <virtuald> well, 64bit libs should always be in {,/usr,/usr/local}/lib64
[12:03] <Burgundavia> prego: reinstall ubuntu-desktop
[12:03] <lok> and refuse to run in 32 bits mode because of a detection architecture etc ...
[12:03] <prego> Burgundavia, thanks
[12:03] <virtuald> ok
[12:04] <Quarupt> monsun, but i will have to find a 64bit version of everything i want to install, so if i want to use limewire, im screwed since they dont have a 64bit build yet?
[12:04] <lok> and you have to make somethings like chroot an 32bits system for make it runs
[12:04] <virtuald> heh
[12:04] <Quarupt> lok, i dont know what that means?
[12:04] <bob2> virtuald: no
[12:05] <bob2> virtuald: it depends on the system
[12:05] <virtuald> ok
[12:05] <lok> in fact one technique is to put on a partition a 32 bits system minimal wich can runs 32bits apps
[12:05] <bob2> Quarupt: almost everything you could want is in the and64 port already
[12:05] <prego> Burgundavia, what about ubuntu-kdesktop?
[12:05] <lok> the amd64 proc can runs on a 32bits so it's not a big deal
[12:05] <Quarupt> bob2 what about 3rd party stuff, like i said limewire, a must have for me
[12:06] <bob2> Quarupt: limewire is written in java
[12:06] <bob2> it doesn't care
[12:06] <Quarupt> oh okay
[12:06] <monsun> Quarupt: limewire isn't in universe?
[12:06] <Quarupt> monsun, no
[12:06] <bob2> you just need a JRE, which presumably exists
[12:06] <monsun> hmm
[12:06] <Burgundavia> prego: do you use kde?
[12:06] <Quarupt> but i have the only existing deb for the pro version
[12:06] <Rocco> how can i grab files on a windows-pc where a username and password is needed? does the windows-pc have to add me as user?
[12:06] <Quarupt> cause i made it
[12:07] <Burgundavia> Rocco: try entering garbage first
[12:07] <bob2> monsun: it can't go in universe, it Depends on a non-free JRE
[12:07] <bob2> last I chewcked
[12:07] <Quarupt> it does
[12:07] <Rocco> Burgundavia: where?
[12:07] <lok> Rocco, you want to grab files by network or the windows is in the same pc that your linux?
[12:07] <Burgundavia> Rocco: for the username and password, try entering anything
[12:08] <Quarupt> so you think the 64bit version will be noticably faster?
[12:08] <Burgundavia> Rocco: if that doesn't work, try admin and the password
[12:08] <Rocco> burgundavia i wont be asekd.... it only says that he cant access the windows-pc, which is in the sam netwrk
[12:08] <bozzz> hi im a new ubuntu user
[12:08] <bob2> Quarupt: you mean the amd64 version.  probably not.
[12:08] <xiaoyu> hi
[12:08] <Quarupt> welcome bozzz
[12:08] <Burgundavia> bozzz: welcome
[12:08] <bob2> Quarupt: tho in benchmarks lots of things are usefully quicker, like gcc.
[12:08] <Quarupt> bob2, why not?
[12:09] <Rocco> bozzz: hey!
[12:09] <azriel0184> whats a good app in ubuntu to record sound from a microphone?
[12:09] <xiaoyu> I have this error msg when updating the lists with synaptics : W: GPG error: http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[12:09] <xiaoyu> what does it mean, what should i do ?
[12:09] <Quarupt> so its not worth switching unless im a programmer?
[12:09] <monsun> Quarupt: probably somewhat faster, at least. what you could try to do is set up a 32-bit environment inside your 64-bit installation.
[12:09] <Burgundavia> Rocco: try the command line client - smbclient //WINDOWSPC/SHARE
[12:10] <monsun> Quarupt: https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html#id274246 explains how, but it's a bit technical...
[12:10] <Quarupt> monsun, how, why?
[12:10] <soulhack> I have a digital camera, when i plug it in to the computer via USB- nothing happens. Is there something i need to enable?
[12:10] <bob2> Quarupt: meh
[12:10] <helloyo> why do i get segmentation faults? and how do i fix them other then rebooting?
[12:10] <Burgundavia> soulhack: can you dump your dmesg output to #flood?
[12:10] <bob2> Quarupt: depends what you want to do.  if you actually care about non-free stuff, then you're probably better off staying.
[12:10] <Rocco> Burgundavia: at the moment the windows-pc is not on line
[12:10] <Burgundavia> helloyo: what are you getting seg faults in
[12:10] <bob2> helloyo: how would a reboot fix that?
[12:10] <soulhack> i hav eno clue what that means. I installed linux yesterday and i know nothing of it atm :)
[12:11] <monsun> Quarupt: that one was for debian,  http://digital-conquest.ath.cx/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu#Building_a_clean_32bit_chroot_with_debbootstrap seems to be about ubuntu
[12:11] <helloyo> bob2, it always seems to...
[12:11] <Burgundavia> Rocco: In order to access the share you will need to have it on
[12:11] <bob2> xiaoyu: run update again
[12:11] <monsun> Quarupt: also see http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2740&highlight=chroot
[12:11] <helloyo> Burgundavia, this time its apt-get
[12:11] <bob2> helloyo: sounds like you have bad ram
[12:11] <Rocco> burgundavia sure ;)
[12:11] <helloyo> bob2, might be right on that... a few of my downloads have had bad checksums
[12:11] <Burgundavia> Rocco: are you trying to mount something for a dual boot machine?
[12:11] <VladDrac> gtkwifi rocks! thanks for the tip
[12:11] <Burgundavia> soulhack: are you running warty or hoary?
[12:11] <soulhack> Warty
[12:11] <Quarupt> so if i figure out this chroot stuff i will be able to run i386 stuff in the AMD64 version?
[12:11] <azriel0184> whats a good app in ubuntu to record sound from a microphone?
[12:12] <monsun> Quarupt: exactly
[12:12] <Burgundavia> soulhack: applications-->run application type in gnome-terminal
[12:12] <Rocco> Burgundavia: no, the windows-machine has "given free" some files, which i want to see and load onto my pc
[12:12] <xiaoyu> bob2: okay, it works now
[12:12] <Quarupt> azriel0184, sound recorder?
[12:12] <soulhack> Burgundavia, alright, and then?
[12:12] <Burgundavia> Rocco: ok, give the commandline client a shot, and see if that works. smb browsing under nautilus is sometimes borked
[12:12] <Quarupt> for now i will do a dual boot i386/amd64 and test it out
[12:12] <Burgundavia> soulhack: type dmesg
[12:13] <azriel0184> Quarupt, hmmm... why not? :P
[12:13] <Rocco> burgundavia a shot?
[12:13] <soulhack> Burgundavia, what did that do?
[12:13] <azriel0184> is there any way i can record to mp3?
[12:13] <Burgundavia> Rocco: try to use the cli version to test to see if you can get to the machine
[12:13] <Quarupt> cause i did spend a large amount of money on this proc, i would like to see what its capable of, if i can get fast build speeds out of it, that would be nice
[12:13] <VladDrac> abcde = cli, if you want a gui, use grip
[12:13] <Burgundavia> soulhack: actually do this dmegs > camera.txt
[12:14] <Rocco> Burgundavia: so "smbclient //windowspcname/dir/" will show me the files, right?
[12:14] <Burgundavia> soulhack: then go applications-->accesories-->text editor and open that file
[12:14] <xiaoyu> Also I have problems when installing ubuntu-desktop, problem with xorg something, the package is broken, why ?
[12:14] <Burgundavia> Rocco: it should, if it doesn't try -u and add a username and it should prompt for the password
[12:14] <soulhack> Burgundavia, it looks like my computer is crap. "APIC error on CPU0: 60(60)"
[12:14] <soulhack> it's all ove rthe place.
[12:15] <Quarupt> xiaoyu, the package isnt broken, you prolly didnt config it correctly
[12:15] <Rocco> Burgundavia: how does a network works? why do i need samba for windows-networks? is it a protokoll? can i also build up a pure linux-network with samba? what is the advantage?
[12:16] <Burgundavia> soulhack: is your machine a laptop
[12:16] <soulhack> Burgundavia, no it is not.
[12:16] <monsun> but does anyone know if any work is on the way to move php4-mysql and the like to main? it's a pretty vital package for many web servers
[12:16] <Quarupt> Do you think the install will happen faster with the AMD64 version, faster than the i386 version?
[12:16] <jesuel> hmm
[12:16] <monsun> and http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/teams/server isn't very informative :)
[12:16] <djp> can anybody advise me on a minimum spec pc that ubuntu would run on?
[12:16] <Burgundavia> Rocco: samba is for accessing ServerMessageBlock systems, a windows protocol for passing files between systems
[12:16] <Burgundavia> Rocco: that is what windows shares talk to each other
[12:17] <prego> Wow, I've managed to download acrobat 7 beta, and it needs 100Mb of disk space :-((. Good news is that it uses GTK for widgets ;-)
[12:17] <Quarupt> djp it would run on a comodore 64 if it had the right kernel
[12:17] <bob2> Quarupt: not noticably
[12:17] <Burgundavia> djp: ~600Mhz will run it
[12:17] <Burgundavia> djp: that is well
[12:17] <bob2> djp: depends if you mean "Ubuntu" or "GNOME Desktop"
[12:17] <Rocco> Burgundavia: and what does linux use?
[12:17] <Quarupt> less than that
[12:17] <Quarupt> i have seen it on a 386
[12:17] <bob2> djp: for the ubuntu base system, 300MB, 48MB of ram, 486
[12:17] <djp> bob2: sure. gnome desktop
[12:17] <Burgundavia> Rocco: A variety of systems. The most common is NFS or Network File System
[12:18] <bob2> djp: gnome needs something like a 400Mhz machine with 64mb of ram to not be too iritating
[12:18] <bob2> it will be annoying, tho
[12:18] <Rocco> burgundavia ok thanks very much!
[12:18] <Quarupt> im working on getting Ubuntu on my TI-89
[12:18] <bob2> xiaoyu: you're using hoary?
[12:18] <Burgundavia> soulhack: Can you plug in the camera/turn it on and then do the dmesg thing
[12:18] <Burgundavia> soulhack: the last lines of the file should be what I need to see
[12:19] <Burgundavia> Quarupt: you are so l33t
[12:19] <djp> bob2: hmmm, so a 233mhz with 64mb ram would chug along well slow right?
[12:19] <bob2> djp: with gnome? yeah.
[12:19] <Quarupt> Burgundavia, why ya say that? being sarcastic?
[12:19] <bob2> djp: you can use a light window manager instead, if you prefer.
[12:19] <djp> bob2: cheers, thought as much...
[12:19] <Burgundavia> djp: if you have an older machine, check out xfce
[12:19] <Quarupt> or flux
[12:20] <monsun> gotta run, thanks for the help!
[12:20] <prego> Quarupt, looser, I am an hp48 man ;-P
[12:20] <azriel0184> sound recorder froze when i pressed the stop button...
[12:20] <Quarupt> prego, whats that mean?
[12:21] <Burgundavia> Quarupt: so, I was joking about your comment about the calc
[12:22] <Rocco> Burgundavia: one more question please ;) .... how can i serve files and printers (with ubuntu)
[12:22] <bob2> djp: or give gnome a try, maybe it's not so bad
[12:22] <prego> Quarupt, there is always a flamewar between TI-89 and HP-48/HP-49 calcs ;-)
[12:22] <Quarupt> lmao
[12:22] <Quarupt> theres no contest
[12:23] <daniels> the latter wins hands down
[12:23] <Burgundavia> Rocco: that is going beyond what I can tell you easily. Google samba file and printer sharing. There are some good docs out there
[12:23] <Rocco> Burgundavia: thanks very much! cu
[12:24] <azriel0184> Quarupt, sound recorder froze when i pressed the stop button...
[12:24] <Quarupt> that sux
[12:25] <azriel0184> it keeps freezing too... anyone can help?
[12:27] <Quarupt> there needs to be a color screen TI-89
[12:34] <jesuel> grr i cannot figure out how to add a new menu entry to gnome
[12:35] <Burgundavia> jesuel: there is no easy way
[12:35] <Burgundavia> jesuel: no anything about .desktop files?
[12:36] <Burgundavia> jesper: s/no/know
[12:36] <jesuel> nope not really
[12:37] <Burgundavia> jesuel: there is no menu editor for gnome now. All the data is stored in .desktop files in /usr/share/applications
[12:37] <Burgundavia> one file per app
[12:37] <jesuel> oh fun
[12:37] <jesuel> guesss i get to learn ;p
[12:38] <Burgundavia> I would suggest you open your favourite text editor as root, then just open an existing file and edit and resave it as YOURAPP.desktop
[12:38] <bob2> er
[12:38] <bob2> in warty there is
[12:38] <gustav_> you can go to applications:/// in nautilus
[12:38] <Burgundavia> gustav_: no you can't
[12:39] <jesuel> Burgundavia, Got it, and I see how to do it now. EASY
[12:39] <jesuel> gustav_, in hoary thats broken
[12:39] <Burgundavia> gustav_: that has been disabled
[12:39] <Burgundavia> no broken, removed
[12:39] <Burgundavia> s/no/not
[12:39] <gustav_> ok I'm using warty
[12:39] <Quarupt> almost ready to install the AMD64 Ubuntu
[12:39] <Quarupt> is there a way i can install it from here, and stay on this Ubuntu
[12:40] <jesuel> hmm, azureus not working ..
[12:43] <Treskewl> cd
[12:43] <nastaran> hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
[12:44] <Quarupt> well wish me luck, ill be back in AMD64 hoefully
[12:45] <prego> Quarupt, good luck
[12:46] <prego> I'm going to restart my ubnutu, since I did not have ubuntu-destkop installed because a weird ugprade process from warty....
[12:47] <hayden> how can i find if my wireless pcmcia card is supported in linux
[12:48] <Burgundavia> hayden: google the name of the card and linux
[12:48] <Burgundavia> hayden: and then dig
[12:48] <Burgundavia> hayden: you can also try the live-cd which will not touch your harddrive
[12:48] <Xirdneh> hi there, anyone know how to correct this... everytime i close the screen of my laptop the system freeze! :S, dont know what to do, Ubuntu warty, Nvidia all drivers installed correctly :p
[12:48] <hayden> i've already install ubuntu (warty)
[12:48] <psai_> is there a changelog available for gnome 2.10.0
[12:49] <Burgundavia> hayden: then just stick it in and try
[12:50] <asc__> since ubuntu is based upon debian, can i use debian repositories - or do i need to use ubuntu specific repositories?
[12:50] <hayden> Burgundavia, why
[12:51] <Burgundavia> asc__: better to use ubuntu ones, but I have tried debian ones and they *might* work
[12:51] <jesuel> Burgundavia, Thank you for that
[12:51] <Burgundavia> hayden: well the easiest way to see if something works is to try it
[12:51] <jesuel> Burgundavia, now i got all my new applications installed and menu entries created :)
[12:51] <asc__> burg: cheers :) thanks for that advice
[12:52] <jesuel> Now if i can figure out whats going on with azureus and it not working ill be happy with that application
[12:55] <error_29> Xirdneh, I hope somebody has an answer -- because I was having the same problem with my laptop...
[12:56] <Burgundavia> Xirdneh, error_29: I would try updating to hoary, and the issue may go away. Hoary becomes stable early april
[12:58] <BockBilbo> can anyone tell me how to dissable the x server?
[01:00] <fuoco> anyone knows what cflags/ldflags are used to compile ubuntu and ubuntu packages?
[01:01] <m1lton> hey
[01:03] <m1lton> in the synaptic thing there are some kde stuff. isit posible to make kde work on ubuntu
[01:03] <Riddell> m1lton: of course http://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingKDE
[01:04] <m1lton> ohh
[01:04] <m1lton> thanks :)
[01:06] <djg> Hi, I ran the Ubuntu install and it detected my ethernet NIC, and also my centrino wireless processor, which is great.  However, I don't seem to be able to access eth0 (wireless) to bring it up and down.  How can I 'register' eth0?
[01:07] <lupusBE> where is the gnome-system-monitor cvs
[01:07] <lupusBE> it is not gnome.org it seems
[01:08] <djg> sudo ifconfig eth0 gives "eth0: error fetching interface information: Device not found"
[01:09] <djg> sudo gnome-nettool
[01:09] <djg> Oops
[01:09] <djg> Wrong window.  Sorry.
[01:10] <error_29> Does anybody know if and how I can change the main "Applications _ Computer" menu that's installed by default with warty to the (older or newer??) "Applications _ Actions" menu that other distros use?
[01:11] <error_29> the way ubuntu divides stuff between Apps/computer makes little sense to me, and I'm tired of futzing with that damn menu applet
[01:11] <no0tic> wouldn't it be nice if nautilus-burner had more features?
[01:13] <no0tic> something like, burning audio-cds, leave the session open etc...
[01:13] <mjr> _yes_ please, it would
[01:14] <mjr> I've already pleaded for multi-session support
[01:14] <mjr> audio-cds they can leave for rhythmbox for all I care, but really, a cd burner with no multi-session?
[01:14] <mjr> that's just weak
[01:14] <no0tic> mjr: I agree
[01:15] <mjr> see bug http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120384 for pleading on the subject
[01:17] <quarupt> Ya know ya wanna touch me
[01:19] <quarupt> seems pretty snappy
[01:19] <quarupt> I might just have to convert
[01:20] <quarupt> Its all BAm
[01:20] <djg> Anyone know how to add a network interface?
[01:20] <quarupt> it only took like 23 minutes to install
[01:23] <quarupt> How can i mount my other Ubuntu Partition>
[01:26] <quarupt> do i need to add different repositories for AMD64?
[01:34] <quarupt> lol
[01:34] <quarupt> man this is o fast
[01:34] <quarupt> it must compile at twice the speed
[01:34] <quarupt> But now i have to transfer all my old files and reconfigure everything
[01:34] <quarupt> SUCKY
[01:36] <quarupt> lol
[01:36] <no0tic> re
[01:36] <quarupt> isnt there an easy way to mount up my other ubuntu pasrtions without using the terminal?
[01:37] <Fator_Dee> fstab?
[01:37] <quarupt> i remember using something in the GUI to do it
[01:37] <quarupt> i didnt have to define any fs types or anything
[01:38] <hayden> does anyone know how to make icons appear on the desktop when u mount an smb share?
[01:40] <quarupt> howto mount /dev/hda4?
[01:40] <no0tic> hayden: try drag-n-drop
[01:41] <hayden> ?
[01:44] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[01:45] <quarupt> man
[01:45] <quarupt> I love this AMD64
[01:45] <quarupt> its so bloody fast
[01:45] <schasi> Which one do you havE?
[01:46] <quarupt> 3200
[01:46] <Nermal> quarupt, mount /dev/hda4 /<mountpoint> ?
[01:46] <quarupt> its the one with the dual 512 L2 cache
[01:46] <quarupt> Nermal, i got it thx
[01:46] <quarupt> i just used fstab after all
[01:46] <schasi> dual 512L2 cache? why dual?
[01:47] <schasi> And which ones have that feature?
[01:47] <quarupt> didnt mean to type dual
[01:47] <quarupt> none of them
[01:47] <quarupt> sorry
[01:47] <quarupt> lol
[01:47] <schasi> Thought for a moment...
[01:47] <quarupt> lol
[01:47] <schasi> "woa wtf did i miss?"
[01:47] <quarupt> but it does have double the registers
[01:48] <kriberg> anyone getting " Error of failed request:  GLXBadLargeRequest" before?
[01:50] <quarupt> im trying to umount a partition and its saying its busy?
[01:51] <quarupt> im not viewing its contents or anything?
[01:51] <da_bon_bon> hey, why is hoary slowing down? nowadays we dont get much updates! :(
[01:52] <quarupt> how can i see whats tying up this partition so i can umunt it?
[01:53] <Funraiser> k3b doesn't converts the mp3 format directly on an audio cd?
[01:53] <da_bon_bon> quarupt: umount -l PARTITI
[01:54] <Funraiser>  when I try and burn mp3 format it seems to burn ok but it wont play on anything but a computer
[01:54] <Funraiser> with k3b
[01:55] <da_bon_bon> Funraiser: quite right. it doesnt convert mp3 to acd format
[01:56] <quarupt> holy crap Oxycontin is close to herion in its chemical composistion
[01:56] <quarupt> no wonder i am wanting more
[01:56] <Funraiser> what?
[01:56] <Funraiser> what app does on linux?
[01:57] <quarupt> doctors will give ya anything nowadays
[01:57] <hayden> how can i find if this (http://www.umart.com.au/pro/products_listnew.phtml?id=10&id2=2&&bid=2&sid=8008) wifi card will work on linux?
[01:57] <Funraiser> do can i use to convert mp3 first?
[01:57] <Funraiser> what*
[01:57] <da_bon_bon> quarupt: DONOT blame doctors!
[01:57] <sucho> hi, is there a way to install xfce 4.2 on warty?  the oscillation repository don't work for me, it says the dependencies are unsatisfied, maybe because xfce package has different minor version from others there...
[01:57] <da_bon_bon> sucho: it might be in uni/multi verse
[01:58] <quarupt> how can i clean up my lilo? it has old stuff in it
[01:58] <Funraiser> what app can i use to convert the mp3 first, before burning it with k3b
[01:58] <Funraiser> ?
[01:58] <da_bon_bon> quarupt: use GRUB
[01:58] <da_bon_bon> Funraiser: !google
[01:58] <sucho> da_bon_bon: 4.2 isn't, only 4.1.99
[01:58] <quarupt> whatever one hoary uses
[01:58] <andreas_> grub
[01:58] <da_bon_bon> quarupt: hoary uses GRUB
[01:58] <quarupt> well how can i clean it up so it doesnt show old OS's i have deleted
[01:59] <Funraiser> somebody knows an app to convert mp3?
[01:59] <quarupt> Funraiser, we just told you to google it
[01:59] <larsrohdin> any news about the official release of hoary?
[01:59] <andreas_> Funraiser: convert to or from?
[01:59] <da_bon_bon> quarupt: sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:59] <quarupt> thx
[01:59] <Funraiser> from
[01:59] <andreas_> google
[01:59] <Funraiser> ?
[02:00] <SiRrUs> larsrohdin April
[02:00] <da_bon_bon> Funraiser: cant u search on google!
[02:00] <Funraiser> no want to search here, u don't like that??
[02:01] <SiRrUs> Funraiser appears no one has the answer for you so google will be quicker
[02:01] <da_bon_bon> Funraiser: right. dont expecty spoon feeding always :P
[02:02] <remi> hello
[02:02] <SiRrUs> hello
[02:02] <Funraiser> ba_bon...fuck you..
[02:02] <remi> oohhhhhhhhhh
[02:02] <larsrohdin> SiRrUs, ok nice...thanks dude!
[02:02] <Fator_Dee> but if no one knows how to help you, google is the best way
[02:02] <SiRrUs> Funraiser that really isnt needed here
[02:03] <da_bon_bon> Funraiser: fuck you! what will that help! ? most ppl agree that people need to search, not always expect answers to simple questions.
[02:03] <da_bon_bon> those in my favour, raise your right hanbd ;)
[02:03] <Fator_Dee> \o/
[02:03] <SiRrUs> larsrohdin yw
[02:04] <da_bon_bon> Fator_Dee: :)
[02:04] <remi> hello everybody i am a french ubuntuman
[02:05] <larsrohdin> SiRrUs, yw?
[02:06] <SiRrUs> larsrohdin yw = your welcome
[02:06] <larsrohdin> SiRrUs, oh...=) never heard that before=)
[02:06] <rightclicker> need some assistance, using an Acer Travelmate 230 Laptop - Ubuntu - Im getting X Server error, tried looking for answers in the internet, but im a Newbie.
[02:07] <SiRrUs> larsrohdin yeah well this is a very polite channel :)
[02:08] <quarupt> oops forgot to copy /root before i delted old partition damn it
[02:09] <quarupt> there goes all mah music
[02:10] <queuetue> Is there anything odd about apache2 under ubuntu that would prevent FollowSymLinks from working?
[02:11] <SiRrUs> well time for a coffee
[02:12] <quarupt> anyone know why an ftp would give an error of "bad IP connecting'?
[02:12] <Fator_Dee> coffee == good
[02:12] <larsrohdin> SiRrUs, yeah coffee does sound good=)
[02:14] <rightclicker> need some assistance, using an Acer Travelmate 230 Laptop - Using Ubuntu - Im getting X Server error and i can view the output details or somthing, im a Newbie.
[02:16] <quarupt> why wont my FTP work, im entering valid user names and passwords?
[02:16] <SiRrUs> rightclicker what is your error
[02:17] <rightclicker> i just did an install
[02:17] <SiRrUs> and
[02:18] <rightclicker> i just did an install - upon boot i recieve an error relation to XFree86 - I cannont view much else just all text based.
[02:18] <da_bon_bon> rightclicker: warty / hoary ?
[02:18] <rightclicker> warty release
[02:18] <quarupt> SiRrUs, can ya help me with some ftpd stuff?
[02:20] <SiRrUs> quarupt what are you using
[02:20] <membreya> oh...only 30mb of updates today
[02:20] <SiRrUs> membreya why are we so much out of sync ? did you get your updates last night
[02:21] <membreya> erm yup ...but it was only about 10 mb
[02:21] <membreya> remembering that we're half a world apart SiRrUs :)
[02:22] <SiRrUs> membreya yeah last nights updates fixed the lag I was experiencing
[02:22] <membreya> what lag? :|
[02:22] <rightclicker> "I cannont start X Server (your Grpahical interface). It is likely that is it not set up correctly. Would you like to view the X server output to diagnose the problem
[02:22] <quarupt>  SiRrUs vsftpd
[02:23] <jesuel> Well here goes nothing, trying to install world of warcraft on this box :)
[02:24] <membreya> gl jesuel :P
[02:24] <quarupt> the probleam is SiRrUs i have created a new user for my ftp, i try to login, and it says login incorrect?
[02:24] <membreya> damn people and WoW
[02:24] <jesuel> *fingers crossed*
[02:24] <SiRrUs> quarupt not sure
[02:24] <jesuel> Well I only play q3 / cs:source / wow
[02:24] <Amaranth> how do you edit menus in hoary?
[02:24] <quarupt> i cant even login as the user I am logged into ubuntu right now
[02:25] <Fator_Dee> I have a friend who got wow a while ago, haven't seen him in a while :-)
[02:25] <quarupt> SiRrUs, wanna see my conf?
[02:25] <da_bon_bon> Amaranth: have a look at "/usr/share/applications"
[02:25] <jesuel> Fator_Dee,  lol yah
[02:25] <Amaranth> oh yeah
[02:25] <Amaranth> err, :P
[02:25] <membreya> lol Fator_Dee, that's my point :P
[02:26] <membreya> hmmm if squid updates...do I need to restart the daemon? :P
[02:26] <jesuel> So far, this linux (ubuntu) installation on this laptop has been completely painless. Im quite surprised. Everything has worked with a minimum of fussing.
[02:26] <SiRrUs> quarupt getting ready for work so I cant but I am sure its something to do with the info you set up for the new user
[02:26] <quarupt> SiRrUs, no user can connect?
[02:26] <membreya> quarupt: just use anon login :P
[02:26] <quarupt> membreya, yea right, anon login is disabled
[02:27] <membreya> quarupt: there's your problem :P
[02:27] <ondrej> hello there...  recently switched to hoary and I have strange problem with GNOME.  New windows don't pop-up, but are created in background and appear only in task bar.  (dunno if this behaviour is same on newly created account)
[02:28] <quarupt> membreya, no its disbaled for a reason, cause im not stupid
[02:28] <aleitner> anybody else has problems with smbfs in ubuntu?
[02:28] <quarupt> membreya, its a personal FTP for my use only why on earth would i enable anon login?
[02:28] <hayden> aleitner, i had a bit when i was on hoary
[02:28] <membreya> not me aleitner ...what's up?
[02:28] <aleitner> hayden: yeah, i am on hoary.
[02:28] <membreya> quarupt: so you don't have any problems? :P
[02:29] <quarupt> membreya, I do i cant login as a user
[02:29] <aleitner> membreya: after a while whenever i try to save a file using emacs (on a smbfs mounted filesystem) emacs crashes. i have to kill it and unmount/mount the fs to get it all working again
[02:29] <membreya> hrm :|
[02:29] <membreya> nfi on that one
[02:29] <quarupt> keeps saying the login is incorrect???
[02:29] <aleitner> nfi?
[02:30] <quarupt> i knwo its not
[02:30] <membreya> polite version aleitner is "no further information" or "no flippin idea"
[02:30] <aleitner> membreya: ahh, thanks (;
[02:31] <aleitner> hayden: did you have the same prob?
[02:31] <membreya> hmmm anyone here running squid?
[02:31] <hayden> yea
[02:31] <hayden> a couple days after i upgraded to hoary
[02:31] <hayden> no smb shares would mount
[02:31] <aleitner> hayden: ok thats even worse...
[02:31] <hayden> yea
[02:31] <hayden> whats happening to you
[02:32] <aleitner> hayden: after a while emacs freezes when trying to save a file. the first few saves work, but then i have to remount the fs and kill emacs to get back to normal
[02:32] <quarupt> WTF, it keeps saying login incorrect, but i know its not, i just created the user
[02:32] <hayden> hmm
[02:32] <aleitner> hayden: have you filed a bugreport at the time?
[02:33] <bestadvocate> do you think mono will work when hoary is release?
[02:33] <hayden> i no nothing of linux, but it seems like the smb share could be timing out?
[02:33] <Nermal> quarupt, capslock :)
[02:33] <hayden> aleitner, no i didn't
[02:33] <quarupt> i wish
[02:33] <Nermal> why use ftp ?
[02:33] <quarupt> must be something wrong in the config
[02:33] <Nermal> sftp / scp ?
[02:34] <quarupt> Nermal, we went through this remeber? its the only way i can access box from work and transfer files
[02:34] <aleitner> hayden: hmm, good idea. will check. it does work on a regular debian box however
[02:34] <hayden> hmm
[02:36] <quarupt> how hard can it be to setup ftp
[02:36] <membreya> should squid be run as user "nobody" ?
[02:36] <tritium> quarupt, did you get winetools setup last night?
[02:36] <hayden> do ppl think hoary is stable enough to change to yet?
[02:36] <quarupt> tritium, i gave up
[02:37] <tritium> quarupt, why?
[02:37] <tritium> quarupt, you didn't reply, so I figured you were off working on it
[02:37] <quarupt> tritium, i got it installed but couldnt get the install shield to install, i have reinstalled my system anyways, now im native AMD64
[02:38] <quarupt> tritium, wanna help me with my current prob setting up my ftpd?
[02:38] <tritium> quarupt, I can try for a little while, but I don't have it setup
[02:38] <quarupt> tritium, but your famillar with ftp servers?
[02:39] <tritium> quarupt, no, not in particular.  What's the problem
[02:39] <tritium> ?
[02:39] <Caesar_091> hello :)
[02:39] <quarupt> im not thinking right, i have been taking oxycodone like candy all night
[02:40] <tritium> quarupt, why?
[02:40] <quarupt> tritium, well i installed the ftpd and configured the conf, but when i try to connect with any user, it says login incorrect?
[02:40] <quarupt> i have tried creating new users
[02:40] <quarupt> why what?
[02:40] <tritium> quarupt, why are you taking that stuff?
[02:41] <quarupt> My doctor gave it to me
[02:41] <quarupt> for my back
[02:41] <quarupt> anyways thats off topic
[02:42] <tritium> quarupt, did you read the docs in /usr/share/doc/<packagename> ?
[02:42] <quarupt> tritium, what ya think about the ftp prob?
[02:42] <quarupt> ya
[02:42] <missmarple> hi
[02:42] <quarupt> a guy was helping me earlier and he set it up the same way and it was working fine its a simple server
[02:42] <tritium> quarupt, how is it configured?  dpkg-reconfigure?  hand-edit of a config file?
[02:42] <quarupt> tritium,  can i pm?
[02:43] <tritium> quarupt, ok
[02:43] <hayden> how do i add anonymous access to my ftpd server?
[02:45] <quarupt> hayden, what ftpd are ya running?
[02:46] <StoffBox-Steve> hi someone here using Ps7 under CrossOver office ?
[02:46] <hayden> dunno
[02:49] <gilles> i can't read audio cds with ubuntu, but the sound works, what should i do ?
[02:49] <gilles> i use hoary
[02:49] <Seveas> define "can't read"
[02:50] <Seveas> your media player doesn't recognize them?
[02:50] <Seveas> or does the CD do nothing at all?
[02:50] <danny666> i just installed the new kopete
[02:50] <Seveas> or something else...
[02:50] <gilles> totem doesn't recognize them
[02:51] <danny666> and cant go into status invisible
[02:51] <danny666> solved
[02:52] <Seveas> what does totem say if you go to the menu and sleect movie -> play disc
[02:55] <hayden> quarupt, do u know how to setup anonymous login for ftpd?
[02:55] <hayden> or any websites about it
[02:55] <Seveas> hayden, that depends on the ftp server
[02:55] <hayden> ftpd?
[02:56] <gilles> how to read dvds on ubuntu ?
[02:57] <Seveas> hayden, you installed the "ftpd" package?
[02:57] <hayden> yep
[02:57] <Burgundavia> gilles: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:57] <Seveas> gilles, go to computer -> disks or play them
[02:58] <Burgundavia> gilles: if you have the necessary codecs, they will autoplay
[02:58] <gilles> i have w32 codecs, but it still doesn't work
[02:58] <Burgundavia> gilles: need libdvdcss2
[02:59] <rightclicker> Does anyone have any solutions to solving "I cannont start X Server (your Grpahical interface). It is likely that is it not set up correctly. Would you like to view the X server output to diagnose the problem" Running Ubuntu - Acer Travel Mate 230. Please Help. im stuck
[02:59] <Burgundavia> rightclicker: fresh install?
[02:59] <rightclicker> just did it
[02:59] <Burgundavia> hmm
[03:00] <rightclicker> its veryy annoyying
[03:00] <Burgundavia> rightclicker: http://utenti.quipo.it/claudioscordino/debian.html
[03:00] <Burgundavia> that is debian, but should work for ubuntu
[03:01] <Burgundavia> just remember that hoary uses xorg
[03:01] <rightclicker> wow. thanks
[03:01] <magnon> does anyone know how to use the gstreamer-jack plugin with the jack server?
[03:02] <magnon> I can't seem to get it working
[03:02] <Burgundavia> google is your friend
[03:02] <magnon> you can't just use jackbin anymore apparently
[03:02] <magnon> and google is embarrasingly silent on the subject
[03:02] <magnon> *jacksink
[03:02] <Burgundavia> magnon: try over at #gstreamer, they might be help you
[03:02] <magnon> they're pretty silent too :)
[03:03] <bretzel> Hi there, Question: Why does it takes 5 minutes to connect/mount a NFS point on my ubuntu server ?
[03:03] <StoffBox-Steve> hmm, gimp can to slices or ? i cant found the funktions *grrr*
[03:03] <Philuk86> can anyone tell me where the best place is to report broken php package dependancies
[03:04] <Burgundavia> Philuk86: bugzilla
[03:04] <Burgundavia> phantomdata: provided it is not universe stuff
[03:04] <Burgundavia> Philuk86: see above comment
[03:04] <dopez> Nvxhnpo is a spambot?
[03:04] <bretzel> Philuk86:Me using XAMPP for linux ...with PHP5, MYSQL 4.1 etc ....
[03:05] <eruin> msn dead?
[03:05] <bretzel> any knows about NFS ?
[03:05] <eruin> anyone got access to a windows msn client ?
[03:05] <Seveas> bretzel, because you network is crappy?
[03:05] <Philuk86> well phpdomxl wont install, neither will the php db library
[03:05] <Seveas> please give some more info :)
[03:05] <bretzel> Seveas: ???
[03:05] <Philuk86> eruin: msn is fine
[03:06] <StoffBox-Steve> eruin, my Folks is online on MSN .. so MSn cant be dead :)
[03:06] <Seveas> bretzel, do the nfs client and server both run ubuntu? does it work with other distros? is accessing the filesystem after mounting also slow
[03:06] <eruin> StoffBox-Steve: could you try reconnecting? :P
[03:06] <StoffBox-Steve> sure
[03:06] <eruin> I just lost ability to connect via gaim :/
[03:07] <bretzel> Seveas: Yop both are ubuntu, one server ( minimal ) and this one the client.
[03:07] <StoffBox-Steve> recon done :P
[03:07] <Seveas> and is it just the mounting?
[03:07] <Seveas> do you have other services running?
[03:07] <eruin> curses
[03:07] <Seveas> what do your logs say?
[03:08] <bretzel> Seveas:  Yes it is just the nfs mounting... HTTP;sshd and co works fine tho
[03:08] <Seveas> do you get any clue by looking at client/server logs?
[03:08] <Seveas> is accessing the data slow too?
[03:09] <eruin> I can't connect to msn.com either... ohwell.. my host sucks today I guess
[03:09] <StoffBox-Steve> someone use gimp here ?
[03:09] <Seveas> StoffBox-Steve, sometimes...
[03:09] <Philuk86> bretzel: have you got GD and XML support on your LAMP setup?
[03:10] <bretzel> Seveas: i will take a look. (good idea - I thought this problem was common and generaly known ... I am AFK for the next 5 min. will be back with infos that I can't understand ...
[03:10] <Seveas> good luck bretzel
[03:10] <StoffBox-Steve> gimp support slices  Seveas, or ? i cant find the function .. and i need this... on Photoshop this ***** popup Saving for web dosent come up
[03:11] <Seveas> StoffBox-Steve, I have no idea, sorry
[03:11] <eruin> lovely. an x restart
[03:11] <StoffBox-Steve> ok, no prob, thx anyway :D
[03:11] <scizzo> StoffBox-Steve: what do you want to do?
[03:13] <StoffBox-Steve> i have a webdesign .. and need to cut them, do use the grafics for the web, normaly i work with Photoshop but the "saving for web" dialogs dosent come up .. so i have to slices the image in gimp
[03:13] <onno> does anybody know how you write a CD .iso in Ubuntu warty?
[03:13] <olivier_> novice aimerait installer amule
[03:14] <eruin> StoffBox-Steve: I've found the gimp to be horribly lacking in areas such as that
[03:14] <eruin> onno: cdrecord file.iso ?
[03:15] <StoffBox-Steve> Photoshop is better on many think .. ok  i work the last 3 years with PS .. maybe thats the reason why gimp is *argfoobar* for me :D
[03:15] <olivier_> novice comment installer firevall
[03:15] <onno> is that all eruin?
[03:15] <bretzel> Philuk86:go see http://www.apachefriends.org  (clikck little english because the site is dutch def lang.)
[03:16] <eruin> baaayh. xcompmgr makes my xchat go all weird.. lines ontop of eachother, etc
[03:17] <bretzel> Philuk86:  Apache, MySQL, PHP, Perl, ProFTPD, phpMyAdmin, OpenSSL, Freetype, libjpeg, libpng, gdbm, zlib, expat, ming, Sablotron, libxml2, Webalizer, pdf class, ncurses, mod_perl, FreeTDS, gettext, IMAP C-Client, OpenLDAP (client lib), eAccelerator, mcrypt, mhash, SQLite, cURL, ZZIPlib, libxslt, phpSQLiteAdmin
[03:17] <bretzel> sorry for the flood
[03:24] <bretzel> Seveas: first suspcious line: nfs warning: mount version older than kernel ...
[03:25] <hayden> whats a cd burning program i can use
[03:25] <membreya> hayden: gnomebaker
[03:25] <membreya> or k3b
[03:25] <bretzel> Seveas: other lines I think related: portmap: server localhost not responding, timed out
[03:25] <bretzel> Mar  8 09:01:28 felix kernel: RPC: failed to contact portmap (errno -5).
[03:26] <hayden> ill try gnomebaker
[03:26] <bretzel> but localhost... I doubt...
[03:26] <hayden> membreya, how do i install it
[03:27] <bretzel> The two mount point are ... mouted... after 5 minutes tho ... ?? Now I look on the server side logs ...
[03:31] <membreya> hayden: http://gnomebaker.sourceforge.net/
[03:33] <ChaosZ3RO> How do I open the battery monitor in xfce? It opens automatically in gnome.
[03:35] <hayden> ok thanks
[03:42] <membreya> omg
[03:42] <membreya> guess what guys???
[03:42] <hayden> lol what
[03:43] <membreya> gnome volume control no longer seg faults :D
[03:43] <membreya> gotta love updates :)
[03:43] <hayden> lol
[03:43] <hayden> i got my wifi card working with ndiswrapper, yay
[03:43] <membreya> hmm mine didnt need ndis :)
[03:44] <membreya> but i hate wireless :P
[03:44] <hayden> i can now use linux at uni instead of friggin winxp
[03:44] <membreya> lol :)
[03:44] <hayden> restart brb
[03:44] <membreya> aaah another aussie i see hayden
[03:44] <membreya> :P
[03:44] <hayden> yep
[03:50] <hayden> where in aus are you membreya
[03:50] <membreya> melbourne :)
[03:50] <membreya> you ?
[03:50] <membreya> qld :P
[03:51] <membreya> obviously :P
[03:55] <GFXstyLER> hi
[03:57] <gfxstyler> since upgrading to hoary my system is terribly slow, can someone here help me with this problem?
[03:57] <hayden> yea
[03:57] <hayden> near brisbane
[03:58] <hayden> membreya, i'm quite happy that my wifi is working now
[03:58] <hayden> i am on a tpg laptop (www.tpg.com.au/online) and i have heard on forums like whirlpool that the wifi card doesn't work under linux
[04:00] <viperman> hello
[04:01] <paulproteus> hayden: Your wifi does work, right?
[04:01] <hayden> yea
[04:02] <cg_> oi
[04:02] <viperman> how can i change in firefox..the color of menu items? like FILE, EDIT, VIEW, GO.....becuase i set dark theme with black background ant white fonts...and i see nothing in firefox....
[04:02] <viperman> should i have modify firefox theme?
[04:02] <hayden> its a draytek vigor560 pcmcia card paulproteus
[04:03] <sproingie> hm i just installed a boatload of packages with aptitude and some didnt install right.  how do i go back and try to install them again?
[04:03] <sproingie> aptitude doesnt respond if i just hit + next to the package marked "u"
[04:04] <gfxstyler> after upgrading to hoary my system is terribly slow, can someone here help me with this problem?
[04:06] <sproingie> gfxstyler: what app in particular is slow?
[04:07] <gfxstyler> sproingie: all apps
[04:07] <cg_> just upgrade to hoary, but now dont have sound
[04:07] <gfxstyler> but firefox and nautilus the most
[04:08] <Burgundavia> cg_: run system --> prefs --> multimedia and make sure that esd is selected
well nautilus is working as designed</snarky>  ... as for firefox, is it browsing speed, loading time?
[04:08] <sproingie> seriously i dont know nautilus enough.  ff some
[04:09] <gfxstyler> sproingie: no its just the gui interface of all programs
[04:09] <pybe> sproingie: i thought that was down to some ipv6 settings in ubuntu not firefox....
[04:09] <sproingie> x prob maybe?  what's your DISPLAY set to?
[04:09] <gfxstyler> sproingie: you mean resolution? i set it to 1280x800
[04:10] <sproingie> no, open a term, echo $DISPLAY
[04:10] <erik_> Hi all, Am I missing a package if 'nautilus applications:///' is not working ? Using up2date hoary
[04:10] <Amaranth> no, that just doesn't work anymore
[04:10] <libpng> erik_, no
[04:10] <hayden> can anyone suggest a good looking icon theme for gnome?
[04:10] <gfxstyler> sproingie: the result is :0,0
[04:11] <sproingie> hayden: i think someone ported crystal SVG
[04:11] <gfxstyler> hayden: i really like gartoon
[04:11] <libpng> hayden, d3a icons:)
[04:11] <Guinea> Hi there!
[04:11] <hayden> i just installed d3a
[04:11] <hayden> i'll check gartoon out and crystal svg
[04:11] <sproingie> gfxstyler: well that's right.  not sure.  run top, is anything sucking up CPU?
[04:11] <Guinea> I've got two hard disks and wonder, how I can mount the second one... Can you help me?
[04:12] <cg_> Burgundavia : alsa was select just changed to ESD but no sound anyway
[04:12] <Amaranth> hayden: http://art.gnome.org/themes/icon/327/
[04:12] <gfxstyler> sproingie: no only sometimes i have 20% load without reason
[04:12] <hayden> thanks for the link Amaranth
[04:12] <Burgundavia> cg_: esd is the default
[04:12] <Amaranth> erik_: see /usr/share/applications and http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/latest/ for how those work, if you care
[04:13] <cg_> yes
[04:13] <sproingie> gfxstyler: there's always a reason.  top should show a process eating cpu.  could be a kernel thing, but even that should show up
[04:14] <gfxstyler> sproingie: do i have to install my graphic cards drivers? because i have an ati, i cannot get it to run right
[04:14] <erik_> libpng: So it's still disabled or not finished or whatever , I was wondering if it was my false ... Than I (we) have to wait
[04:14] <sproingie> gfxstyler: i've used both ati drivers, they work fine.  havent tried 3d of course
[04:15] <sproingie> gfxstyler: what kind of ati?
[04:15] <gfxstyler> sproingie: top says its xorg thats taking 20% cpu load sometimes
[04:15] <[m0rph] > what program is run when you click "share this folder"?
[04:15] <gfxstyler> radeon 9600 mobility
[04:15] <sproingie> gfxstyler: ooh those could be trouble.  which driver you using right now?
[04:15] <cg_> Default Sink and Defaul Source are both with ESD
[04:16] <gfxstyler> sproingie: i use the standart ubuntu driver right now
[04:16] <sproingie> gfxstyler: grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg/conf
[04:16] <sproingie> gfxstyler: should see a line that says Driver "ati", right?
[04:17] <gfxstyler> yes
[04:17] <gfxstyler> keyboard, mouse, synaptics and ati
[04:17] <erik_> Amaranth: I already know that but it is so circumstantial .. Then I'll press ALT+F2 furthermore and wait for gnome Version ?.?? ;-)
[04:17] <Amaranth> erik_: err...
[04:18] <sproingie> gfxstyler: apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx
[04:18] <gfxstyler> i will try to install the new ati driver, hope that will solve the problems
[04:18] <sproingie> gfxstyler: then edit xorg.conf and change "ati" to "fglrx"
[04:18] <Amaranth> erik_: How is opening /usr/share/applications any different from applications:///?
[04:18] <GarySaved> I went to the ubuntu home page, and went to log in.  FireFox complained that it was unable to verify their identity.  Should I worry about this?
[04:18] <gfxstyler> sproingie: thanks :)
[04:18] <Amaranth> GarySaved: No, they use a self-signed cert.
[04:18] <sproingie> gfxstyler: i dont claim that won't make the problem *worse*, but it's pretty snappy for me (radeon 9800)
[04:18] <Amaranth> Firefox is complaining about that.
[04:18] <[m0rph] > why don't they let thawte sign it? ;)
[04:19] <gfxstyler> sprongie: i dont think it can get more worse than it is right now *g*
[04:19] <prego> Which are the benefits of an AMD64?
[04:20] <sproingie> prego: zoom zoom
[04:20] <GarySaved> Amaranth, How do I know that when FireFox is saying it is not sure if I am giving my password to a hijacker?
[04:20] <maswan> prego: as compared to?
[04:20] <sproingie> prego: they run a lot cooler too
[04:20] <Amaranth> GarySaved: When something like that shows up.
[04:20] <sproingie> heats up my room less, fan noise is lower
[04:20] <maswan> prego: i386 as an architecture, or amd athlon64s, or?
[04:20] <Amaranth> GarySaved: But in this case you are ok.
[04:20] <vidar_> Has anybody here had problems with the volume control not working? i have sound, but cant control the volume. I have a Realtek AC97 onboard 5.1 card.
[04:21] <gfxstyler> vidar: i have this onboard card in my other pc too, no problems with it
[04:21] <prego> maswan, In my company we want a new machine, for numerical computation and postprocessing... so has the AMD64 any benefits over i386 for such tasks?
[04:21] <sproingie> prego: you want to do numerics, you probably want a powerpc actually
[04:22] <vidar_> gfxstyler: are you using ESD or alsa on that one?
[04:22] <erik_> Amaranth: In /usr/share/applications I can't edit the Categories ... or am I missing something
[04:22] <Amaranth> erik_: That's why I gave you the link to the spec.
[04:22] <gfxstyler> vidar_: ubuntu uses ESD and all other apps use alsa i guess
[04:22] <prego> sproingie, that would be a hard change...
[04:22] <GarySaved> Amaranth, O.K.  Makes me nervous.  I assume someone knows about it and is going to fix it before the release?
[04:22] <maswan> prego: Yes. First, the amd64 isa allows to use more than 2-4 gigs of ram, if that is needed. Secondly, the AMD Opteron series is rather good at number crunching
[04:23] <sproingie> prego: otherwise an opteron is for you.  xeon with EMT64 will also do, but boy i could grill a steak on my dual xeon box
[04:23] <Amaranth> GNOME reads data from inside the XML files in there to figure out what category to place it in. There are more categories then GNOME has so it lumps several of them together.
[04:23] <Amaranth> Like Network and WebBrowser both going into Internet in GNOME
[04:23] <prego> maswan, i386 cannot handle more than 2Gb  of ram?
[04:23] <maswan> prego: of course, an intel xeon would probably work too, they run a bit hotter though, but what will get you best performance/currency depends on the specifics of your applications and what deals you can get with price
[04:24] <sproingie> prego: no, it can.  however, 64 bit means you can fit a long long in a register.  zoomzoom
[04:24] <vidar_> gfxstyler: i get the "Failed to construct test pipeline" when i test the alsa
[04:24] <prego> sproingie, but in my case precission is not an issue...
[04:24] <nikolai> wow, i just installed kde 3.4
[04:24] <sproingie> i suppose SSE2 has those 64 bit registers too, but not general purpose
[04:24] <maswan> prego: no, that's where the 32-bit adressing hits the limit. there are tricks to use more, but those come at a performance penalty.
[04:24] <nikolai> with plastik its pretty goodlooking}}}
[04:24] <gfxstyler> vidar_: what ubuntu version are you using?
[04:24] <nikolai> !!!
[04:25] <prego> maswan, that is a good point that enlightens me ;-)
[04:25] <sproingie> prego: do you have source for your numerical app?
[04:25] <gfxstyler> vidar_: i used warty
[04:25] <vidar_> gfxstyler: hoary
[04:25] <nikolai> im using hoarz
[04:25] <nikolai> y
[04:25] <erik_> Amaranth: I have read it, but when you  quickly want to reorgnize your menu items it's not a very friendly way :-)
[04:25] <prego> sproingie, it is company built-in code...
[04:25] <prego> sproingie, so I have total access
[04:25] <sproingie> prego: if you can recompile it yourself, i recommend a xeon and intel's compiler.  otherwise you'll find an opteron is generally *slightly* faster
[04:25] <sproingie> prego: and you'll find a PPC pretty much screams on numerics
[04:25] <theine> hi, has anybody set up the Java Media Framework on his/her Ubuntu box?
[04:26] <Amaranth> erik_: I'm sure there is a tool for it, I just can't remember where to find it.
[04:26] <erik_> Amaranth: Do you know when menu editing will be again part of standard gnome
[04:26] <Guinea> ich muss mal eben neustarten
[04:26] <erik_> Amaranth: A tool ... I have to google right now
[04:26] <Amaranth> erik_: From applications:/// like it used to be? Never, I hope.
[04:26] <cg_> hi, any body here to help
[04:26] <cg_> ??
[04:27] <nikolai> hey, can someone tell me how to configure dropshadows from within kde???
[04:27] <prego> sproingie, when compiling in AMD64, float still means 8*4 bits and so on?
[04:27] <nikolai> if one can at all...
[04:27] <gfxstyler> brb
[04:27] <Amaranth> The structure isn't hierarchial (sp?) anymore. One shortcut can go into more then one category.
[04:27] <sproingie> prego: i never recall what a single precision float is.  a double is 54 bits IIRC, so it gets stuffed into a 64 bit FP register
[04:28] <Amaranth> nikolai: Sounds like xcompmgr magic.
[04:28] <nikolai> thanx
[04:28] <prego> sproingie, I see... btw a single precision float in i386 is half a double, so fits into 32 bit AFAIK
[04:28] <prego> sproingie, and powerpc, are them 64bit?
[04:28] <nikolai> but i thought kcontrol could somehow do it too....on a gui level...thats the real reason I installed kde actually
[04:28] <nikolai> hahaha
[04:29] <sproingie> prego: most FP optimizations use double anyway, so you really lose nothing from using double
[04:29] <sproingie> prego: unless you're really constrained for space, i guess
[04:29] <cg_> cant figure out how to have sound from a audigy2 ZS!!!
[04:29] <nikolai> oh well, if thats the case, im switching back to gnome
[04:29] <nikolai> for now
[04:29] <nikolai> have a nice day, everyone!!!
[04:29] <nikolai> ciao
[04:30] <prego> sproingie, not really, just wondering "to do the jump" or not...
[04:30] <nikolai> long live ubuntu
[04:30] <sproingie> nikolai: i'm happy w/ kde, but it's in a state of big brokenness on hoary with the switch to 3.4.  should settle in a few days
[04:30] <erik_> Amaranth: I have now preference for that. But it should be the best if you can directly drag&drop and add/remove categories and  entries
[04:30] <sproingie> but hey i speak to shadows
[04:30] <Amaranth> sproingie: hehe
[04:31] <prego> sproingie, and, if I setup a AMD64 with 64bit OS (ubuntu, SuSE or whatever), will it run 32bit compiled apps or should I recompile everything?
[04:31] <sproingie> prego: i think you'll find there's almost no jump.  i'm happily running on amd64 and it feels identical
[04:31] <Amaranth> erik_: Well, DnD might not be the best idea but being able to add and remove categories and entries would be nice.
[04:31] <sproingie> prego: i'm told a few apps here and there won't port, but otherwise it's the same
[04:31] <prego> sproingie, but binnaries?
[04:32] <Amaranth> You could create a new category and tell GNOME what fd.o menu categories should go in it.
[04:32] <sproingie> prego: 32 bit compat is turned on, so it'll run any 32 bit linux binary
[04:32] <prego> sproingie, so you may have a mixture of 32bit and 64bit apps?
[04:33] <prego> sproingie, sorry for so much questions... just trying to make my mind into...
[04:33] <sproingie> prego: no, i imagine it's all 64 bit for me.  but if i got a 32 bit app, it would run fine
[04:33] <erik_> Amaranth: Yes that'S the most horrible thing right now, if I would be a C Guru I'll would have done this already ... ;-)
[04:33] <Amaranth> hehe
[04:33] <sproingie> prego: only 32 bit stuff that doesnt run in compatibility is device drivers, since those arent separate processes
[04:34] <Amaranth> If I wasn't sure something already existed I'd think about working on a nice PyGTK GUI for editting /usr/share/applications, at least.
[04:34] <m0rphx> what do you guys get when you select multiple folders in nautilus and view the properties?
[04:34] <prego> sproingie, maswan thanks for your help ;-))
[04:34] <Amaranth> m0rphx: Basic, Emblems, and Permissions tabs
[04:35] <sproingie> Amaranth: what's /usr/share/applications do?  I see a smattering of apps in it, but it seems to have little relation to anything on my desktop
[04:35] <m0rphx> Amaranth: oh sorry, I forgot: do you get the right size for all the folders together?
[04:35] <Amaranth> afaik it's correct
[04:36] <jordanau> When I do a smart upgrade in synaptic, it marks a version of the linux kernel I am no longer using, how do i make it look for a different kernel?
[04:36] <m0rphx> it changes for me, the one time it shows the size of all folders, the other time just one folder
[04:36] <Amaranth> sproingie: They are XML documents that gnome-menus uses to determine what the put in the Applications menu and under what category.
[04:36] <hayden> i found a nice icon theme i like called Glossed, but on the bottom panel in the bottom left there is a red x where the show desktop icon should be
[04:36] <jordanau> it wants to upgrade 386 and i am running 686
[04:37] <cg_> hoary not working with audigy2 ? nobody nows?
[04:37] <sproingie> Amaranth: hm they dont look like xml to me.  i just did a cat /usr/share/applications/emacs21.desktop and it looked like ini file format
[04:37] <sproingie> i.e. looked just like a kde desktop shortcut
[04:37] <sproingie> 'course i'm running kde ... guess they both drop them in the same place
[04:37] <Amaranth> oh, my bad
[04:37] <Amaranth> there are INI
[04:38] <Amaranth> Yeah, the whole point is that KDE and GNOME share them.
[04:38] <prego> sproingie, one more question, are there Nvidia drivers for AMD64??
[04:38] <sproingie> prego: yep, i believe so
[04:38] <prego> sproingie, (posprocessing uses OpenGL intensively)
[04:38] <sproingie> prego: ooh you probably dont want an ati in there then
[04:39] <sproingie> ive heard nothing but venom about ati's 3d drivers on linux
[04:41] <prego> sproingie, long time ago we switched to nvidia and never looked back again
[04:41] <sproingie> oh yeah i just remembered one thing that doesnt work on amd64
[04:41] <sproingie> flash
[04:43] <sproingie> http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_amd64_1.0-6629.html
[04:43] <quarupt> can you upload to an ftp using a web browser?
[04:43] <sproingie> quarupt: usually, yes.  drag and drop
[04:43] <quarupt> awesome
[04:46] <Smeven> hi
[04:46] <quarupt> has anyone in here ever used the real vnc java applet from a web browser to connect to there box via vino?
[04:46] <prego> sproingie, I don't care Flash at all. However, acroread would be interesting it run. Does it?
[04:46] <Smeven> i am using ubuntu on am64 and i am trying to get cool and quiet running
[04:47] <Smeven> i tried to load the powernow module and is gives a psb bios error on dmesg
[04:48] <prego> quarupt, shouldn't be a problem
[04:49] <sproingie> prego: should, long as you have binary compatibility in the kernel (all vendor kernels do)
[04:49] <quarupt> prego, well i didnt know if it was feature of just realvnc or vino as well
[04:50] <lok> Smeven, try to use cpufreq-selector
[04:50] <sproingie> prego: flash doesnt work because it's a library.  can't link 32 bit libraries into 64 bit apps
[04:50] <lok> but it's strange that powernowd is not running
[04:50] <quarupt> prego, cause i cant seem to get it working, then again, i dont have the firefox java plugin installed yet eitther, cant remeber how
[04:51] <Smeven> lok: i tried
[04:52] <lok> you use the amd64 ubuntu not the i386 one ?
[04:52] <sproingie> bah, latest download version of acroread from adobe is still 5.x
[04:52] <sproingie> static bloatif linking and all
[04:52] <sproingie> anyone know where to get the 7.0 linux beta?
[04:52] <lok> because the x86_64 generic kernel enable the powernow
[04:52] <Smeven> lok: right
[04:52] <quarupt> prego, all i get when i try to connect is RFB 003.007
[04:52] <quarupt> ?
[04:53] <Smeven> lok: i have the gnome cpufreq applet in the panel
[04:53] <Smeven> i have the amd64 live cd (sent straight from ubuntu)
[04:53] <Smeven> and my machine is running at only 800Mhz
[04:53] <lok> aaaaah
[04:54] <mdke_laptop> anyone home who understands how the MoinMoin code of the wiki works?
[04:54] <quarupt> prego, so can ya help?
[04:54] <lok> it's semms to me that's a probleme with cpufreq then because when I use it I can't uperclock to 1800
[04:54] <lok> I launch powernowd
[04:54] <Smeven> powernow-k8: Found 1 AMD Athlon 64 / Opteron processors (version 1.00.09b)
[04:54] <Smeven> powernow-k8: BIOS error - no PSB
[04:55] <lok> your bios does not support the powernow
[04:55] <lok> maybe
[04:55] <prego> quarupt, all I can say is that I've used vino with other machine vncvieiwer... and I didn't have a problem eventhough vncviewer I used is quite old (at a RH7.3 machine)
[04:55] <Smeven> lok: it says it does in the bios.
[04:56] <quarupt> prego, no im trying to use the java applet via a browser to connect, it uses something different i think
[04:56] <prego> quarupt, I tried java applet long time ago and didn't require anything special as far as I recall...
[04:57] <prego> quarupt, except of java, obviously
[04:57] <prego> quarupt, however it was slower compared to standalone vncviewer
[04:57] <quarupt> well it says ya have to connect to a different port based on your display, i dunno im having trouble understanding it
[04:58] <quarupt> http://www.realvnc.com/javavncviewer.html
[04:58] <quarupt> take a look
[05:01] <prego> quarupt, you are right, it doesn't work
[05:01] <prego> quarupt, probably vino does not offer the java applet
[05:01] <quarupt> thast what i asked in the beginning, and you said it should be fine lol
[05:02] <quarupt> guess ill have to install the actual vnc server
[05:02] <prego> quarupt, You are right again, I'm sorry
[05:02] <quarupt> damn, and of course they dont have one for AMD64 linux
[05:02] <quarupt> grr
[05:02] <prego> quarupt, "normal" vncserver should be enough
[05:03] <prego> quarupt, vncserver is not at ubuntu packages?
[05:03] <quarupt> i cant run its for x86
[05:03] <quarupt> id have to chroot it
[05:04] <tritium> does evolution-exchange-storage not crash repeatedly for anybody?
[05:04] <Pluk> vncserver is in universe
[05:04] <prego> quarupt, btw, I'm getting same message for vncserver
[05:05] <HeinrchWulfli> hi
[05:05] <quarupt> prego, ok thx
[05:05] <quarupt> i even setup port forwardinf
[05:05] <prego> quarupt, perhaps there is some configuration option for that
[05:05] <VladDrac> does anyone know a nice (iPhoto-like, but less sucky) photo view app for gnome?
[05:05] <prego> VladDrac, gthumb for me
[05:06] <VladDrac> prego: does that allow you to make albums, rotate, etc?
[05:06] <prego> VladDrac, yes
[05:06] <VladDrac> ok I'll look at it - tx
[05:06] <prego> VladDrac, and also does nice interpolation at large zoomings
[05:06] <HeinrchWulfli> i just downloaded mini.iso of Array 6 and started to install/boot from HD.. it goes well... till software choosing cames.. i get an error about archive mirror! i tried already daily array6 5 and so on.. what am i doing wrong?
[05:08] <quarupt> prego, but where, i could never find a conf for vino
[05:09] <GNAM> what's qmake?
[05:09] <fuoco> anyone knows what CFLAGS and LDFLAGS ubuntu is using for gnome and other packages?
[05:09] <GNAM> azz qt stuff
[05:10] <huami> hi! how to add a script that will be executed during system start-up ?
[05:10] <VladDrac> cool, gphoto looks nice
[05:11] <prego> quarupt, I don't know if vino depends on vncserver; if such, probably it is matter of vncserver configuration...
[05:11] <quarupt> ya prolly
[05:11] <GNAM> how can i find a file on linux? a think like "dir \nomefile /s"
[05:11] <Echylo> damn
[05:11] <GNAM> thing
[05:11] <Echylo> I think I fucked up my installation
[05:12] <schweeb> GNAM: find / -name "file"
[05:12] <schweeb> GNAM: or for case insensitive search, use -iname rather than -name
[05:12] <prego> quarupt, nope, vino seems to be independent from vncserver
[05:13] <GNAM> thanks
[05:14] <eugi83> ciao a tutti
[05:14] <eugi83> chi mi aiuta
[05:14] <eugi83> ?
[05:14] <mdke_laptop> eugi83, #ubuntu-it
[05:14] <mdke_laptop> io cmq
[05:15] <eugi83> :)
[05:15] <GNAM> auauu figo ubuntu-it
[05:15] <Smeven> i heard that gnome 2.10 is in ubuntu
[05:15] <mdke_laptop> yep
[05:15] <Smeven> do i need to run hoary?
[05:16] <mdke_laptop> yes
[05:16] <Hannes_> Smeven: yes
[05:16] <Hannes_> updating 109 pkgs :P
[05:17] <Fator_Dee> btw, when I upgrade my system to hoary, can I expect it to be a painless project, or should I prepare for the worst?
[05:17] <ICU> hmm i tried to use libpam-ssh with gdm and changed the /etc/pam.d/gdm file as suggested in README.Debian but it doesn't work. any hints what i could have done wrong?
[05:17] <Fator_Dee> I mean, can it fuck up my system?
[05:17] <mdke_laptop> Fator_Dee, it will probably not be pain-free
[05:17] <schasi> Fator_Dee: There is always a chance, but it shouldnt.
[05:17] <mdke_laptop> Fator_Dee, best to wait until it is stable
[05:18] <membreya> Smeven: gnome 2.10 was just released in ubuntu in the last few days :)
[05:18] <schasi> But there are things that are not working yet in hoary, which is why it is not stable ;-) you should prepare for _that_
[05:18] <Smeven> thats awesome :)
[05:18] <Fator_Dee> I'll wait for it to be stable, and shouldn't that be until next month?
[05:18] <schasi> Yes and best wait until it is stable
[05:18] <membreya> yup next month Fator_Dee
[05:18] <quarupt> Yes I am running gnome 2.10 and didnt even realize it
[05:18] <schasi> Fator_Dee: Why would you update?
[05:18] <Smeven> i have been hacking on gnome-terminal the last day or so
[05:19] <Fator_Dee> schasi: new versions of programs mostly
[05:19] <membreya> bout time we got a stable release of gnome :)
[05:20] <quarupt> touch me where it smells funny
[05:20] <Echylo> Fator_Dee, i'm fucking up my system right now
[05:21] <Echylo> updating to hoary
[05:21] <Echylo> :p
[05:21] <Echylo> sorry :)
[05:21] <Fator_Dee> Echylo: (^_^)_b
[05:21] <membreya> you're only just installing it now Echylo ?
[05:21] <Echylo> yup
[05:21] <Echylo> rebuilding the dabatse
[05:21] <Echylo> rebuilding the database
[05:22] <schasi> Fator_Dee: You could do backups and try it out ;-)
[05:22] <quarupt> is there a limewire> for AMD64?
[05:22] <schasi> And is your installation _that_ important?
[05:22] <membreya> well then welcome to the future Echylo :)
[05:22] <Echylo> :D
[05:22] <quarupt> i didnt think it would matter since its based on java
[05:22] <Echylo> well I think I'm stuck in the past with one leg
[05:22] <Fator_Dee> schasi: maybe not :-p, i'd go crazy if I'd have to reinstall or something
[05:22] <andrewski> so my computer's sporadically making this scratchy noise that coincides with the cursor blinking, the mouse moving, me typing, etc.  has anyone else experienced this?
[05:23] <snowblink> andrewski: HDD?
[05:23] <djp> as soon as hoary is ready for an official release, I'm there!
[05:23] <Fator_Dee> I mean, I want to actually use my computer to do something, not just try and tweak/conf/etc it
[05:23] <quarupt> WTF this deb wont install cause of arch mismatch, anyone know how to force dpkg to install something?
[05:24] <schasi> Fator_Dee: Tell me you _do_ backups
[05:24] <andrewski> snowblink: no, i can run hdparm tests and it's fine.
[05:24] <schasi> Well Fator_Dee it could even break _then_ somehow. Nothing is impossible
[05:24] <Fator_Dee> well, I bought a 100 dvd+r's a while ago, so yes :-)
[05:25] <membreya> quarupt: let me see if I can install limewire :)
[05:25] <Echylo> not that hard ^
[05:25] <Echylo> even I can handle that
[05:25] <quarupt> not on AMD64 ya cant
[05:26] <Echylo> all hope this update comes to a good end
[05:26] <Echylo> (please)
[05:26] <quarupt> its just cause its a deb i generated witb alien while i was still on i386 all i have to do is generate a new deb from the bin on the AMD64 machine
[05:26] <snowblink> *sigh* if only window focus could follow my eyes...
[05:26] <Echylo> :D
[05:27] <djp> Echylo: my upgrade from wart to hoary was as smooth as jamelia's bottom...
[05:27] <gert> hi im on an amd64 and i would like to compile wine
[05:27] <Echylo> well then my system uses another bottom
[05:27] <quarupt> then you need to get back on x86
[05:27] <gert> but it gives an error on ./configure
[05:28] <Echylo> which one gert
[05:28] <Echylo> and btw
[05:28] <gert> gcc unable to compile executables
[05:28] <Echylo> als je toch nederlands spreekt, en blijkbaar op de VUB zit :P kan je naar #ubuntu-nl
[05:28] <gert> checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[05:28] <NecroNeo> any1 knows how to get my laptop into suspended mode when I close the lid?
[05:28] <gert> Echylo bedankt :-)
[05:28] <Echylo> ;)
[05:28] <Echylo> medebelgen helpen elkaar eh
[05:29] <Echylo> ok
[05:29] <Echylo> it's updated
[05:29] <Echylo> let's reboot
[05:29] <Echylo> hope I see y'all back :P
[05:29] <membreya> gl Echylo :)
[05:29] <Woodwizzle> Hello
[05:30] <gert> can anyone help me?
[05:30] <invitro> Has anyone managed to get gamin working properly (like fam did)?
[05:30] <invitro> I want my desktop to get updated when I download files to it.
[05:32] <gert> anyone compiled wine on amd 64?
[05:33] <quarupt> get, there is no wine for AMD64 yet
[05:33] <quarupt> you will have to read about CHROOT
[05:33] <gert> compile from source must be pssible
[05:33] <quarupt> and do it natice x86
[05:33] <gert> or isnt that possible either?
[05:33] <quarupt> native
[05:33] <gert> i know there are no binary packages for it
[05:35] <schasi> gert: wine has x86specific parts in it
[05:35] <quarupt> Im pissed that someone told me if i switched to AMD64 that i would be able to run limeire just fine cause its java based, WELL BS cause whe ya try to install it it says error: acrh mismatch no AMD64 support
[05:35] <schasi> Thats why it cant be simply recompile
[05:35] <schasi> d
[05:35] <schasi> gert: Same with ppc, there is no wine for mac
[05:36] <quarupt> read about AMD64 chroot x86 project
[05:36] <gert> ok, ill see
[05:36] <gert> thx
[05:36] <schasi> can amd64 do "on-the-fly-32bit-emulation2?
[05:36] <schasi> So that you can mix 32 and 32*2 bit programmes?
[05:37] <VladDrac> I wonder if I can hack some logic into wlan/wireless selection...
[05:37] <VladDrac> i.e. use wlan if available, else default to wireless
[05:38] <quarupt> great so with AMD64 ya get DOUBLE the registers and HALF the apps
[05:39] <soulhack> i've got a problem, when I start my computer and most of the modules (?) have loaded i get this message: Modprobe: FATAL ERROR Inserting Hw_Random, pciehp, shpchp.
[05:40] <soulhack> It's just below "loading Hotplug module" or something.
[05:40] <quarupt> type dmesg
[05:40] <membreya> quarupt: I'm running limewire on AMD64
[05:40] <quarupt> not pro
[05:40] <membreya> not pro
[05:40] <quarupt> i know
[05:40] <membreya> unless you can give me a d/l link :)
[05:40] <soulhack> quarupt, me? and then?
[05:41] <quarupt> i have the deb, yont do ya no good if yur on AMD64 ubuntu
[05:41] <quarupt> wont
[05:41] <R0bNyc> limewire s**ks
[05:42] <quarupt> yea right
[05:42] <R0bNyc> gkt-gnutella , mldonkey and apollon are good
[05:42] <membreya> R0bNyc: I prefer azureus :)
[05:42] <membreya> especially for my tv eps :)
[05:42] <soulhack> can anyone help me?
[05:42] <Montagh> phex seemed better if you had to use java
[05:42] <quarupt> you have no cue what your talking about
[05:42] <membreya> just finished getting Dead Like Me series 1
[05:42] <R0bNyc> membreya, and what bittorrent sites you use
[05:42] <quarupt> whatever ones arent shut sown by the MPAA this week
[05:43] <quarupt> crap i gotta goto work
[05:43] <quarupt> i havent even slept
[05:43] <R0bNyc> membreya, where do you d/l from
[05:43] <quarupt> damn the man
[05:43] <hedu> laptop, warty, graphic card, second monitor howto ?????????????????
[05:44] <membreya> R0bNyc: http://btefnet.net/, http://www.novatina.com/
[05:45] <quarupt> hedu type exactlu what ya just did into wii
[05:45] <quarupt> wiki
[05:45] <R0bNyc> membreya, thanks let me take a lok
[05:46] <hedu> quarupt sorry????
[05:48] <hedu> need help to get an external monitor working on my laptop running warty XFree
[05:52] <Fator_Dee> I have these on my dmesg: "acpi: Unknown symbol acpi_processor_unregister_performance" and "acpi: Unknown symbol acpi_processor_register_performance", what do they mean and should I try to do something?
[05:52] <gert> has anyone gotten quake2 working?
[05:53] <gert> LoadLibrary("ref_softx.so") failed: No such file or directory
[05:53] <gert> this is what i get
[05:53] <gert> google return little
[05:53] <R0bNyc> membreya, whats your favorite player
[05:53] <GNAM> what's the meaning of "segmentation fault" by a program? meaning is tha's a shit program?
[05:53] <Montagh> its busted
[05:54] <membreya> for the vids R0bNyc ? I just use mplayer :)
[05:54] <membreya> GNAM: seg fault means the program is crashing
[05:54] <R0bNyc> oh
[05:54] <R0bNyc> membreya, I cant find mplayer =
[05:55] <soulhack> where can i find a tutorial on hotplugging? ubuntu dont seem to find my digital camera when i plug it in.
[05:55] <soulhack> and where do i upgrade to Hoary?
[05:55] <membreya> R0bNyc: have you updated your repos? and are you running hoary or warty?
[05:56] <larsrohdin> is there any messenger in linux that is fully compatible with msn messenger? i mean with webcams and stuff?
[05:56] <R0bNyc> membreya, hoary array 6
[05:56] <membreya> then edit your repos :)
[05:56] <R0bNyc> larsrohdin, no linux lacks messengaging stuff unlike windows
[05:56] <R0bNyc> membreya, edit to what
[05:57] <membreya> larsrohdin: you could try gaim-vv..but good luck :\
[05:57] <dmallery> hi on a supermicro 370de6 mobo (2x p3 1k) at the reboot in install it gets to "starting hotplug subsystem" hits the disk a few times and hangs.  have tried acpi=off and apm=off.. no joy.
[05:57] <R0bNyc> oh you mean add multiverse
[05:57] <membreya> ya
[05:57] <membreya> R0bNyc: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[05:57] <larsrohdin> membreya, ok... thats too bad, i want to see the people i talk to.
[05:57] <membreya> larsrohdin: the other option is to use gnomemeeting
[05:58] <membreya> but that uses netmeeting protocol
[05:58] <Smeven> hi
[05:59] <jrm4> hey, speaking of iming, does gaim support multiple instances? like i want my yahoos in one window and aimer's in another?
[05:59] <R0bNyc> membreya, whats that warty-backports main universe thing, i copied the debian-marillat since all the rest are warty
[05:59] <michelp> anyone know if they are going to mail out free hoarys like they did wartys?
[05:59] <membreya> R0bNyc: you just need to change the warty to hoary
[06:00] <R0bNyc> whats the backports for
[06:01] <dmallery> hi  could someone help me with a warty install hang?
[06:04] <soulhack> how do i enable sounds in ubuntu?
[06:04] <soulhack> such great question.
[06:05] <aram> ola
[06:05] <soulhack> hi
[06:05] <soulhack> do you know how i can enable sounds? :)
[06:05] <soulhack> or how to download codecs for that matter.
[06:06] <dmallery> hi  could someone help me with a warty install hang?
[06:08] <Smeven> is 2.10 that good?
[06:08] <Smeven> does it seem faster and nicer to my ram?
[06:08] <Smeven> or the opposite :)
[06:09] <membreya> Smeven: im just happy to be running a stable gnome now :P
[06:09] <Smeven> i develop though, it makes it easier not having to use a build script or compile a lot from source
[06:11] <dmallery> hi...  could someone please help me with a warty install hang?
[06:11] <Smeven> more info perhaps
[06:11] <Philuk86> dmallery: just ask your question, il help if i can
[06:11] <dmallery> hi on a supermicro 370de6 mobo (2x p3 1k) at the reboot in install it gets to "starting hotplug subsystem" hits the disk a few times and hangs.  have tried acpi=off and apm=off.. no joy.
[06:12] <Smeven> is there an option to turn off hotplug?
[06:12] <dmallery> also have repeated the install to that point.
[06:12] <Smeven> hm
[06:12] <prego> GNAM, segmentation fault means that the program has tried to access a wrong segment of memory. Probably because of an error in the program.
[06:13] <dmallery> are those boot options in a man page somewhere??
[06:13] <Seveas> dmallery, acpi=noapic and acpi=force don't work either?
[06:13] <Fator_Dee> have you waited long enough? I mean the starting hotplug thingy takes a while on my system?
[06:13] <eruin> maaaan why does polypaudio have to constantly use 10-13% of my cpu ?
[06:13] <dmallery> i will go try them now... thanks!
[06:13] <dmallery> have waited half hour...
[06:13] <Fator_Dee> oh :-|
[06:14] <Fator_Dee> maybe that counts as "long enough"
[06:14] <Echylo> yaaaay
[06:14] <Echylo> hoary is running fine now!
[06:14] <poxymox> Aloha
[06:14] <membreya> well done Echylo :)
[06:15] <Echylo> :)
[06:15] <Echylo> only my xmms hangs
[06:15] <Echylo> when I try to play
[06:16] <wasabi__> hmm, does warty's mkinitrd support lvm and evms?
[06:16] <paulproteus> Echylo: First of all, use Beep Media Player instead of XMMS.
[06:16] <paulproteus> It's Just Better.
[06:16] <paulproteus> Second, you need to configure XMMS to use the esound output plugin.
[06:16] <paulproteus> You can do that by going into the preferences screen in XMMS and selecting esound rather than OSS; OSS is the default, and will not work on an Ubuntu system.
[06:17] <wasabi__> why does it feel wrong to use hotplug and udev on a server
[06:17] <wasabi__> yet, i know every other OS does it this way
[06:17] <Echylo> thanks
[06:17] <Echylo> done
[06:17] <Echylo> and it works!
[06:17] <blizah> echylo. http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=94
[06:17] <sigglet> wasabi__: what do you mean feels wrong?
[06:17] <sigglet> udev is a wonderful thing
[06:17] <wasabi__> sigglet, it just feels wrong to use any sort of automatic hardware detection on a server.
[06:17] <wasabi__> It's always been a Linux admin thing to manage that manually.
[06:17] <sigglet> wasabi__: why? when it saves you from manually doing it
[06:17] <sigglet> time management
[06:17] <membreya> paulproteus: OSS works fine for me in XMMS
[06:17] <wasabi__> because it Might Break
[06:18] <sigglet> there is no difference other than having to waste your time to modprobe
[06:18] <wasabi__> /etc/modules
[06:18] <sigglet> wasabi__: why would it break?
[06:18] <soulhack> how do i turn on the sound support soundcore module?
[06:18] <wasabi__> sigglet, good question
[06:18] <sigglet> dork
[06:18] <blizah> oh is hoary out? :D
[06:18] <blizah> stable version?
[06:18] <membreya> blizah: next month
[06:18] <blizah> oh :(
[06:18] <blizah> hehe
[06:19] <paulproteus> membreya: It will work on a few sound cards, like Sound Blaster Live.
[06:19] <paulproteus> But for most it won't.
[06:19] <membreya> paulproteus: just using nforce3 onboard (ac97)
[06:20] <paulproteus> membreya: Interesting.
[06:20] <paulproteus> It's a driver quality issue, usually.
[06:20] <Echylo> :P
[06:20] <Echylo> free beer
[06:20] <membreya> you even old enough to drink Echylo ? :P
[06:20] <Echylo> I don't drink alco
[06:20] <Echylo> never :)
[06:20] <membreya> :| freak
[06:20] <Echylo> no
[06:21] <Echylo> personal experiences
[06:21] <Echylo> no
[06:21] <Echylo> not that
[06:21] <Echylo> just experiences
[06:22] <membreya> im banned from drinking :(
[06:22] <membreya> lol poxy
[06:23] <membreya> oo my sata drive is udma6 in ubuntu :P
[06:24] <Fator_Dee> Echylo: I can handle your share of beer :-p
[06:25] <Fator_Dee> \o/
[06:25] <membreya> give me...I've been almost 2 months without a drink!
[06:25] <membreya> :D
[06:26] <Echy|Shower> hmm
[06:26] <Echy|Shower> last time I updated to hoary
[06:26] <Echy|Shower> there was an automatic update symbol
[06:26] <Echy|Shower> in system...
[06:26] <membreya> still there Echy|Shower :)
[06:26] <Echy|Shower> not here
[06:26] <Echy|Shower> nope
[06:26] <Echy|Shower> checked every meny
[06:27] <Echy|Shower> menu*
[06:27] <membreya> System > Administration > Ubuntu Update Manager
[06:27] <Echy|Shower> not here
[06:27] <Echy|Shower> told you
[06:27] <membreya> got synaptic installed? :P
[06:27] <Echy|Shower> yes
[06:28] <membreya> do you have usr/bin/update-manager
[06:28] <hawke_> Echy|Shower: run update-notifier
[06:28] <Echy|Shower> it didn't even installed xorg
[06:29] <Echy|Shower> how does he dare
[06:29] <soulhack> where can i find my kernel?
[06:30] <linuxboy> soulhack: /boot
[06:31] <hawke_> soulhack: In your RAM chips
[06:31] <soulhack> i want to do this:
[06:31] <soulhack> You must turn on the sound support soundcore module. This is in the kernel. Look in the sound drivers directory and it should be the first option.
[06:31] <hawke_> soulhack: 'modprobe soundcore'
[06:32] <soulhack> i am still lost, i dont know how to 'edit my kernel'
[06:35] <Wiseguy> hi
[06:35] <Wiseguy> totally offtopic question (just need native english speakers"
[06:35] <Wiseguy> )
[06:35] <Wiseguy> on http://creativecommons.org/
[06:35] <soulhack> why?
[06:35] <Wiseguy> shouldnt the headline read "Creative Commons is a nonprofit ORGANIZATION that offers a flexible copyright for creative work."
[06:35] <soulhack> i use a creativecommons licence (also off topic)
[06:36] <Fator_Dee> Wiseguy: weel of course
[06:36] <Fator_Dee> *well
[06:36] <Wiseguy> ...
[06:36] <soulhack> yes
[06:36] <Wiseguy> ok, maybe I should send them a mail
[06:36] <andrewski> Wiseguy: yes, but there is much license for verbing words.  (e.g.)
[06:36] <andrewski> :P
[06:36] <timing> is it normal the powerpc version for ubuntu doesn't have a graphical installer?
[06:37] <GarySaved> A friend of mine installed Warty, and has a dialup ISP.  Where does he go to connect?
[06:37] <andrewski> timing: graphical?
[06:37] <timing> yeah with graphics
[06:37] <soulhack> really, how do i edit my kernel to enable the soundcore?
[06:37] <timing> i don't mind though
[06:37] <soulhack> i cant find this anywhere
[06:37] <andrewski> GarySaved: there are programs with ppp in the name; i think that's it, but i'm not sure.
[06:38] <andrewski> timing: when i installed warty (i386), it didn't have graphics
[06:38] <neighborlee> any opengl pros in here atm as I could use help with errors i'm getting running some opengl examples ;(
[06:38] <airox> after upgrading to ubuntu, should i restart ?
[06:38] <GarySaved> andrewski, Thanks
[06:38] <mgedmin> uh oh, random gnome file dialogs freeze until I kill gam_server
[06:38] <andrewski> airox: upgrading to hoary?
[06:38] <timing> andrewski: you had to setup x.org yourself?
[06:38] <airox> andrewski: sorry, that's what i ment :O)
[06:38] <andrewski> timing: well, no.
[06:38] <airox> -O
[06:38] <andrewski> airox: you don't need to restart, but you won't be using the updated kernel until then.
[06:38] <timing> andrewski: oke, cool. BTW why is it called warty?
[06:39] <andrewski> timing: [shrugs] 
[06:39] <timing> ah too bad
[06:39] <airox> oke, rebooting then :)
[06:39] <andrewski> airox: i would at least restart X so you're using X.org/updated GDM/updated Gnome, GTK, etc. :)
[06:39] <airox> :)
[06:39] <andrewski> timing: are you making out ok?
[06:40] <timing> andrewski: yeah! just trying ubuntu on my macmini, got it on my laptop and server for two years
[06:40] <timing> debian that is
[06:40] <Wiseguy> ok, thanks
[06:40] <Wiseguy> bye
[06:40] <andrewski> timing: so you're not stuck or anything?
[06:40] <neighborlee> is hoary stable enough ( I know thats subjective but <G>) to consider upgrading ?
[06:41] <timing> andrewski: why do i receive an away message in a /query from you? very anoying
[06:41] <timing> andrewski: yeah it's gonna be allright :D
[06:41] <malte`> i got to work Hibernate on an Acer TravelMate 212TX :)
[06:41] <neighborlee> reason asking is last time I tried it from CD install I had trouble with cd automounting
[06:41] <andrewski> timing: i just went away to get some food, but i came back.
[06:41] <gilles> I have the following error msg when try to listen to a radio: There were no decoders found to handle the stream in file "file:///tmp/mandarin_0930-1030-20k.asx", you might need to install the corresponding plugins. How and what plugins to install ?
[06:41] <timing> yeah, /query away messages do suck, sinds we are not in a query
[06:42] <andrewski> timing: but if you were trying to reach me while i was away, it would let you know i wasn't here.
[06:42] <timing> andrewski: well there we have /away for
[06:42] <timing> andrewski: and i recieve it on every message i send to you
[06:42] <andrewski> timing: still?
[06:42] <timing> andrewski: i understand you are away
[06:43] <timing> yeah, i recieve it every message
[06:44] <timing> andrewski: test
[06:45] <timing> andrewski: test
[06:45] <soulhack> can anyone help me?
[06:45] <larsrohdin> hi, i have a really old macintosh... its a powerbook 230, it has only floppy, no cd... what linux can i use on it? or can i even use linux on it?
[06:47] <timing> does ubuntu for powerpc come with xfree86 or x.org?
[06:47] <larsrohdin> warty comes with xfree86...
[06:47] <andrewski> timing: i think that's a warty v. hoary question.
[06:47] <timing> larsrohdin: you can run linux on everything !
[06:47] <larsrohdin> but if its different for ppc i dont know
[06:47] <timing> warty is stable? and hoary is unstable?
[06:47] <timing> like woody and sarge in debian
[06:47] <larsrohdin> timing, thats what i thought=) but which linux-dist?
[06:48] <andrewski> timing: technically, but many (including i) are using hoary with no/few problems.
[06:48] <timing> hmm okay
[06:48] <timing> x.org is much cooler
[06:48] <larsrohdin> timing, i had problems with hoary...
[06:48] <timing> i want alpha channels!
[06:48] <timing> larsrohdin: how many memory does the 230 have?
[06:48] <andrewski> larsrohdin: i've found that only few distros support booting from floppy, but smartbootmanager (if you can get it to work) helps.  i could never get it working.
[06:48] <Echylo> I have x.org installed now what is so special about it?
[06:48] <larsrohdin> like 8mb i guess
[06:49] <andrewski> timing: then you'll need x.org :)
[06:49] <timing> debian woody got bootflops!
[06:49] <andrewski> Echylo: well, it's free; xfree changed their license which is what caused the fork.
[06:49] <Echylo> ok
[06:49] <Echylo> now the cool part?
[06:49] <timing> larsrohdin: you could try an old version of debian, those are small
[06:49] <andrewski> Echylo: but recent versions (6.8 and up) have true transparency.
[06:49] <andrewski> Echylo: "compositing manager" it's called.
[06:50] <timing> Echylo: it does alpha blending, so you can have really transparant windows
[06:50] <larsrohdin> timing, ok... but if i download it on this comp. is the disc readable on the mac?
[06:50] <Echylo> ok tell me about the transparant? how you manage that?
[06:50] <timing> larsrohdin: dunno, never tried linux on a mac with floppys
[06:50] <andrewski> Echylo: look at x.org's website.
[06:50] <Echylo> ok
[06:50] <andrewski> Echylo: i don't use it, but there are good howtos out there.
[06:50] <timing> I need to do the dishes!
[06:50] <timing> andrewski: script test
[06:50] <andrewski> Echylo: probably one on ubuntuforums.org
[06:50] <larsrohdin> timing, but in general, can a mac read a linuxdisc?
[06:51] <timing> larsrohdin: yeah
[06:51] <larsrohdin> ok...
[06:53] <timing> drat, x-windows is not working on my macmini
[06:53] <soulhack> ....
[06:54] <timing> andrewski: test
[06:55] <airox> the upgrade worked :)
[06:55] <andrewski> airox: yay.
[06:56] <airox> But the gnome menu doesn't show my own added shortcuts
[06:56] <airox> Is the previous config available ?
[06:57] <Echylo> ok no howto for alpha channel on forums :P
[06:57] <mrproper> I'm on Horay right now and pluged my thumb drive into the USB slot.  However, it wasn't mounted anywhere.  I thought this was supposed to happen automaticaly.
[06:58] <andrewski> mrproper: is hotplug running?
[06:58] <andrewski> Echylo: you want how to on compositing, x.org transparency...
[06:58] <timing> thanx, bye
[06:58] <andrewski> Echylo: something like that.  alpha channels wouldn't give you quite what you wanted.
[06:59] <mrproper> andrewski, When I run hotplug status, the process locks
[06:59] <Echylo> hmm ok
[06:59] <andrewski> mrproper: hmm, not good.
[06:59] <andrewski> mrproper: you're up-to-date?
[06:59] <mrproper> andrewski, Let me se3e.
[07:00] <mrproper> andrewski, It's always possible I need to reboot.
[07:00] <andrewski> mrproper: doubtful, but possible.
[07:01] <mrproper> andrewski, There's a new version of HAL for me.  Should I reboot once I get it?
[07:01] <Echylo> seems like it's not worth it got it gets slow anyway
[07:02] <andrewski> mrproper: yes, probably.  meaning: i don't know how to reload it.
[07:02] <andrewski> :)
[07:02] <mrproper> andrewski, It maybe an init script.
[07:02] <mrproper> andrewski, and no, hotplug doesn't seem to be running
[07:02] <andrewski> mrproper: your guess is as good as mine. :)
[07:02] <andrewski> mrproper: ah!
[07:02] <andrewski> mrproper: regardless of updating, you need to be running hotplug.
[07:02] <mrproper> andrewski, I'm surprised it wasn't started.
[07:03] <andrewski> mrproper: try dpkg-reconfigure hotplug
[07:03] <mrproper> andrewski, I can't do anything with the hotplug scripts.
[07:03] <andrewski> mrproper: it's installed?
[07:03] <mrproper> Yes it is.
[07:05] <andrewski> mrproper: hmm, maybe upgrade hal and reboot.  then we'll try again.  (i'll be here.)
[07:05] <andrewski> mrproper: and make sure you're using a current kernel?
[07:05] <mrproper> andrewski, Yeah.  Nothing was selected for the pkg-configure on hotplug
[07:05] <mrproper> andrewski, 2.6.8-1-5386
[07:06] <andrewski> mrproper: maybe upgrade that too; perhaps it has better hotplug support (since hotplug is a bit new)
[07:06] <mrproper> andrewski, Upgrade what?
[07:06] <airox> I was used to do this: nautilus applications:///Internet to edit and add the shortcuts in that menu. In hoary it doesn't seem to work anymore. Anybody know how to add / edit shortcuts ?
[07:06] <mrproper> andrewski, Okay, I'll be back in a few.
[07:07] <andrewski> mrproper: upgrade kernel, hal, hotplug if you can, then reboot into the newer kernel.
[07:11] <Echylo> netsplit?
[07:12] <goldfish> yes
[07:12] <Echylo> funky
[07:15] <vince_> gnome 2.6 had a "run script"-context menu in nautilus. can i reenable that?
[07:21] <mrproper> hot plug isn't running.
[07:21] <airox> /etc/init.d/hotplug start ? :)
[07:21] <mrproper> kbreit@kblinux:~ $ sudo /etc/init.d/hotplug start
[07:21] <mrproper> Password:
[07:21] <mrproper>  * Starting hotplug subsystem...
[07:22] <mrproper> Oh, now it started
[07:22] <mrproper> Took a reboot.
[07:22] <sic|work> greetings.  I did this to get to runlevel 3- telinit 3 > /etc/init.d/gdm stop    now when I boot up it boots up to a command prompt instead of gdm...how do I get it set to boot to the login screen?
[07:22] <mrproper> VERY cool.
[07:22] <andrewski> mrproper: so now it's working?
[07:23] <mrproper> andrewski, Yes it is.  I need to get hotplug to start by default though :/
[07:23] <andrewski> mrproper: now, you have to add hotplug to boot. :)
[07:23] <andrewski> mrproper: man update-rc.d IIRC
[07:23] <mrproper> andrewski, I hate debian's init scripts :/
[07:24] <andrewski> mrproper: me too.
[07:24] <schweeb> update-rc.d isn't that tough to learn...
[07:25] <andrewski> schweeb: but it's not very intuitive.
[07:25] <mrproper> I like making a symlink by myself and that's it.
[07:25] <Smeven> how do i disable sudo?
[07:25] <schweeb> check the wiki
[07:26] <schweeb> if you really want to do so
[07:26] <mrproper>  System startup links for /etc/init.d/hotplug already exist.
[07:26] <Smeven> yes
[07:26] <schweeb> do you know how the runlevel system works, mrproper?
[07:26] <mrproper> schweeb, Yes I do.
[07:27] <mrproper> I see it in init.d, but nowhere else. The man page says the script must exist in init.d before uptdate-rc.d is run though.
[07:27] <andrewski> mrproper: you can just add hotplug to your runlevel then...
[07:27] <mrproper> andrewski, With a simple sym link then?
[07:27] <schweeb> is this on ubuntu, mrproper ?
[07:27] <mrproper> schweeb, Yeah
[07:27] <schweeb> update-rc.d hotplug defaults
[07:27] <schweeb> try that
[07:28] <mrproper> already did
[07:28] <mrproper> Thats the error I get
[07:28] <andrewski> mrproper: man update-rc.d
[07:28] <mrproper> *Kevin glares at debian*
[07:28] <mrproper> andrewski, Yeah, what about it?
[07:28] <schweeb> paste the error plz
[07:28] <andrewski> mrproper: that will tell you how; i don't really know myself.
[07:28] <mrproper>  System startup links for /etc/init.d/hotplug already exist.
[07:28] <schweeb> ah
[07:29] <schweeb> alright, is hotplug in /etc/rcS.d ?
[07:30] <schweeb> I have it as /etc/rcS.d/S40hotplug
[07:30] <mrproper> schweeb, yes it is
[07:30] <reperire> I install Ubuntu on one partition on my hard drive and it was working fine and I was able to boot into and everything. I then install Windows XP on another partition on my hard-drive and it appears that it has overwritten the master boot record since when I start my computer it launches straight into Windows without giving me the option of booting into Ubuntu. What should I do?
[07:30] <airox> Is there a way to add a submenu to gnome ?
[07:30] <airox> (the menu of gnome that is)
[07:30] <schweeb> reperire: you can use knoppix or something to reinstall grub to the MBR
[07:30] <reperire> cool, ta
[07:31] <reperire> Knoppix works on Windows, yes?
[07:31] <jnk> (even ubuntu's live cd I think)
[07:31] <schweeb> well, you can use just about any install CD even
[07:31] <jesus-> what cdburn app comes with ubuntu?
[07:31] <schweeb> but knoppix is a bit easier
[07:31] <jnk> knoppix is a linux distribution you can boot from cd, windows is not involved
[07:31] <airox> or floppy ? :)
[07:31] <reperire> oh ok
[07:31] <jnk> Jerub, cdrecord (command-line), nautilus
[07:31] <Echylo> windows isn't involved with linux at all jnk :P
[07:31] <schweeb> airox: heh, people still use those?
[07:31] <jnk> jesus-  I meant
[07:31] <Echylo> except wine
[07:31] <reperire> so there is no app i can run in windows that will reinstall grub to the MBR?
[07:31] <airox> schweeb: yep.
[07:32] <jnk> Echylo, :)
[07:32] <the_1> hello everyone!
[07:32] <airox> hi the_1
[07:32] <the_1> how are you today?
[07:32] <schweeb> reperire: you can do it with your regular ubuntu CD, but I don't have the directions necessary to tell you how (nor the time)
[07:32] <reperire> ok
[07:32] <airox> Well fine the_1, how about you ?
[07:32] <the_1> well...everything's fine, just one minor problem...
[07:32] <schweeb> reperire: basically, boot the CD, go to VT2, mount your hard drive, chroot to it, run grub-install, reboot
[07:33] <lizdeika> omg i think he's the_1
[07:33] <xadas> Does ubuntu hw manager work? I want to send some data but I'm waiting while the hardware data gets prepared about 5 minutes and nothing :-(.
[07:33] <shock> is there any app under windoze that can do anything to anything?
[07:33] <shock> O_o
[07:33] <airox> shock: I guess you should rephrase that ...
[07:33] <the_1> can't figure how to add gdesklets to autostart with ubuntu at logon..
[07:33] <sic|work> greetings.  I did this to get to runlevel 3- telinit 3 > /etc/init.d/gdm stop    now when I boot up it boots up to a command prompt instead of gdm...how do I get it set to boot to the login screen?
[07:33] <lizdeika> try preferences->sessions
[07:34] <lizdeika> the_1:
[07:34] <jnk> sic|work, resinstall gdm
[07:34] <the_1> ok...will have a look at that, tnx m8
[07:34] <jnk> sic|work, you have overwritten the gdm starting script
[07:35] <the_1> btw, what is the command to start it minimized to the tray?
[07:35] <mrproper> schweeb, So what do I do with the S40hotplug file?
[07:35] <sic|work> jnk: that won't screw up any of my settings?
[07:36] <jnk> sic|work, well I don't think so
[07:36] <jnk> you "reinstall" when you upgrade anyway, and settings should be kept
[07:36] <schweeb> mrproper: nothing, reboot...
[07:36] <schweeb> mrproper: it'll start on next reboot
[07:36] <mrproper> schweeb, Oh okay.  Thanks
[07:36] <the_1> lizdeika: thanks, I think that will do the trick!
[07:37] <sic|work> jnk: ok, I will give it a try, thanks
[07:37] <jnk> np
[07:41] <nanaem> hi... does ubuntu have any partition mangare prog? what's the name of it?
[07:41] <jnk> nanaem, fdisk, parted, and qtparted for a GUI
[07:42] <nanaem> thx alot
[07:42] <hawke_> nanaem: gparted, in addition to jnk's list
[07:42] <jnk> yeah gparted is available!
[07:45] <neighborlee> nvidia drivers working ok with xorg/hoary ??
[07:48] <jesus-> I selected a 699mb .iso in nautilus but when I want to burn it it keeps telling me to insert a blank cd while there IS a blank cd in the tray
[07:49] <Solatis> hello
[07:50] <Solatis> i would like to know... i really /really/ want to upgrade my boost libraries on my ubuntu system due to added functionality... however, i'm still using warty - is it either possible to only upgrade libboost to hoary's revision, or is it advicable to upgrade my entire system to hoary ?
[07:50] <jnk> jesus-, when you insert the CD, does nautilus cd-burner come up automatically
[07:50] <jnk> ?
[07:51] <PotajiTo> i've done that Solatis, i mena upgrading only what i need
[07:51] <PotajiTo> i upgraded xorg and gnome and i have no problems
[07:51] <Solatis> PotajiTo: ok - did you compile it from source yourself /
[07:51] <Solatis> ?
[07:51] <PotajiTo> nope
[07:51] <Solatis> because i wouldn't want to interfere (sp?) with apt for package management
[07:52] <PotajiTo> i did it from apt
[07:52] <jnk> Solatis, the right way to do that is through apt pinning ... but you know hoary is due soon
[07:52] <airox> So gnome can't handle cascaded menu's ?
[07:52] <jesus-> jnk:  yes it does
[07:52] <PotajiTo> it update what it needed
[07:52] <Solatis> jnk: i know - but it's about string processing (type classification) added to boost libraries, and I really can't wait 3 - 4 weeks for that :)
[07:52] <dampjam_> I have seen a ton of hoary updates in the past 72 hours, is this in preparation for the preview release coming up?
[07:53] <Solatis> ah you know what
[07:53] <Solatis> i'll upgrade my system to hoary
[07:53] <Solatis> it's a desktop anyway
[07:53] <jnk> airox, weird I'm sure there used to be a possibility of editing gnome menus by right-clicking in them but now I try and there is no option for that... certainly they can be edited manually in gconf or something but that's not handy
[07:53] <Solatis> any pointers to where i can find more info on how to properly upgrade ?
[07:53] <jnk> Solatis, 2 secs
[07:54] <PotajiTo> apt-dist upgrade
[07:54] <PotajiTo> or update
[07:54] <PotajiTo> cant remember
[07:54] <airox> jnk: In warty there was some editing with those menu's, it's gone in hoary :(
[07:54] <mrs> is there a channel for unix newbies please ?
[07:54] <airox> It was a gnome 'fault'
[07:54] <Solatis> PotajiTo: yeah yeah, but i asumme i also have to edit /etc/apt/source.list
[07:54] <Solatis> PotajiTo: is there anything else i need to edit ?
[07:54] <goldfish> mrs: What's up?
[07:54] <PotajiTo> yeah, change where it says warty to hoary
[07:54] <goldfish> oh right
[07:55] <PotajiTo> and do that command
[07:55] <schweeb> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/upgrade-sarge/talkback/1100762912/view?searchterm=hoary%20upgrade
[07:55] <Solatis> PotajiTo: and that's all ?
[07:55] <Solatis> schweeb: ta
[07:55] <jnk> Solatis, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html   http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html   http://www.argon.org/~roderick/apt-pinning.html
[07:55] <PotajiTo> tha'ts what i've done in other box
[07:55] <RuffianSoldier> hey bob2 are you ar0und?
[07:56] <schweeb> jnk: that's for pinning, not for a simple dist-upgrade...
[07:56] <PotajiTo> worked nice, just that, no changing X's configs and that things
[07:56] <Solatis> jnk: thanks, i'll follow schweeb's link
[07:56] <jnk> airox, file a bug in bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org
[07:56] <drspin> where can I find a list of all the sound modules that ship with ubuntu"
[07:56] <drspin> ?
[07:56] <schweeb> you use pinning when you're going to mix apt sources and revisions
[07:56] <jesus-> jnk:  the window comes up, but dragging an .iso inthere isn't the way to go, right? So i just right click the iso and select "burn to disc", but it keeps telling me to insert a blank cd of 700mb (and there's on in it)
[07:57] <schweeb> Solatis: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[07:57] <schweeb> that too
[07:57] <virtuald> when/where is polypaudio started?
[07:57] <jnk> jesus-, are you using warty or hoary?
[07:57] <jesus-> jnk:  hoary
[07:58] <RuffianSoldier> Ubuntu is 1337!
[07:58] <jnk> jesus-, and have you already successfully burned a disc in this confiugration?
[07:58] <jesus-> no jnk
[07:58] <jesus-> first try
[07:58] <jnk> jesus-, then we'll try with cdrecord
[07:58] <jnk> jesus-, your cdrom drive is /dev/hdc ?
[07:58] <jesus-> okelidokeli, i'll read the man
[07:58] <virtuald> jesus uses ubuntu B] ] 
[07:59] <jnk> jesus-, ok so good luck and don't forget to use sudo when you invoke cdrecord
[07:59] <jnk> lol
[08:00] <dampjam_> I'm using hoary and I cannot get sound to work at all.  Hoary correctly identified the chipset but no sound comes out, any ideas?
[08:00] <andrewski> dampjam_: muted?
[08:01] <dampjam_> andrewski: I went through the entire alsa troubleshooting tutorial, volume is up and the Volume Monitor shows sound is coming out, I just don't hear anything
[08:01] <sigglet> turn the volume up?
[08:01] <andrewski> dampjam_: have you tried multiple file types?
[08:02] <dampjam_> Awesome!  I got it
[08:02] <dampjam_> It's taken 3 ays
[08:02] <dampjam_> I had to turn the external amplifier off in alsamixer
[08:02] <dampjam_> aparrently my laptop does not support it when it's on
[08:03] <Madeye> hey, how to watch all incoming connections to my box? tail -f /var/log/messages/
[08:03] <Madeye> ?
[08:04] <jesus-> cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/pg0'. Cannot open SCSI driver.
[08:04] <jesus-> hmm
[08:06] <tck> having problems playing a .avi file
[08:06] <tck> its encdoed with div-x
[08:06] <tck> :/
[08:06] <Smeven> hello
[08:06] <Ribs> you can play divx on Linux
[08:06] <larry> hello
[08:06] <Ribs> on x86 machines, anyway
[08:06] <tck> tried totem, vlc, xine, xmms
[08:06] <Smeven> what memory debugger is available on ubuntu that works on amd64?
[08:06] <[FiDO] > I have a question
[08:06] <larry> any idea where to get ip for aol?
[08:06] <Smeven> something similar to valgrind?
[08:06] <Ribs> tck: you probabily need codecs
[08:07] <Fator_Dee> w32codecs
[08:07] <[FiDO] > how do you change gnome so it doesn't open multiple windows
[08:07] <goldfish> larry: You on dsl?
[08:07] <larry> no 56k
[08:07] <tck> Ribs, i downloaded http://www.divx.com/divx/linux/ theres
[08:07] <goldfish> k
[08:07] <[FiDO] > I just want each window to open within itself
[08:07] <tck> installed codes to /usr/local/lib/ etc..
[08:07] <goldfish> [FiDO] : ubuntuguide.org
[08:07] <Fator_Dee> [FiDO] : nautilus -> edit -> preferences -> behaviour -> always open in browser window
[08:07] <goldfish> [FiDO] : It's near the end
[08:07] <goldfish> or that :)
[08:08] <[FiDO] > ok thanks
[08:08] <goldfish> larry: you just want to get your own ip?
[08:08] <neighborlee> does anyone know is hoary stable enough by now for day to day and is the cd automounting working as expected ?
[08:08] <dampjam_> I've been using hoary for about a week now, no complaints
[08:08] <Fator_Dee> neighborlee: better to wait for stable
[08:08] <larry> my 56k best data runs slow it has a serial connection, is that the reason
[08:08] <[FiDO] > wow that was simple I feel like an idiot for asking
[08:08] <[FiDO] > thanks
[08:09] <Fator_Dee> np
[08:09] <neighborlee> Fator_Dee, yeah I wondered...prob. true
[08:09] <dampjam_> My laptop has volume buttons on the side, is there anything that would make those work?
[08:09] <tck> [FiDO] , you can be an idiot for 5 mins or an idiot for life if you dont ask :)
[08:09] <Smeven> what memory debugger is available on ubuntu that works on amd64 that is similar to valgrind?
[08:09] <neighborlee> Fator_Dee, i'm having some truly odd opengl errors and I thought going to xorg might resolve them but...
[08:10] <crypticreign> anyone have a compaw a1500 printer installed with ubuntu?
[08:10] <tck> Smeven, Electric Fence
[08:10] <tck> and gcov
[08:10] <crypticreign> compaw a1500
[08:11] <crypticreign> oops
[08:11] <andrewski> neighborlee: i think upgrading is a good idea; it's mostly stable IME
[08:11] <jnk> dampjam_, launch "xev" and watch if something occurs when you press them
[08:12] <neighborlee> andrewski, worth a shot
[08:12] <dampjam_> nothing
[08:12] <tck> crypticreign, try apt-get install cupsys-driver-gimpprint
[08:12] <tck> it has lots of 3rd drivers etc..
[08:13] <crypticreign> tck: sweet, thanks
[08:13] <jnk> dampjam_, what's your laptop?
[08:15] <dampjam_> it's a vaio tr5ap
[08:16] <drspin> ehere can I find the drivers for my ess sound card?
[08:16] <drspin> where?
[08:17] <JDigital> help me guys my sound recorder won't record sound
[08:17] <drspin> JDigital: unmute the microphone and turn on the boost
[08:17] <JDigital> it will, however, willingly eat 100% CPU then crash
[08:18] <JDigital> now I can hear sound
[08:18] <jnk> dampjam_, it's not the "jog dial" that you're talking about?
[08:18] <dampjam_> no, there are + and - buttons right next to the lcd screen
[08:19] <jnk> drspin, what's your sound card, and why don't you want alsa?
[08:19] <JDigital> drspin: Okay, now I can hear it, but it won't replay the sound in Sound Recorder.
[08:19] <drspin> jnk: ESS 1868 is my sound card... and after the upgrade to Hoary -- sound won't work
[08:19] <JDigital> when I try it does nothing, then I try again, and it crashes
[08:20] <drspin> JDigital: hoary or warty?
[08:20] <JDigital> warty
[08:20] <drspin> JDigital: what soundcard?
[08:20] <KingArthur> Hey everyone, I've got a Dell Inspiron 8600 with WiFi.  I have tried dabbling in Linux before about 5 yrs ago, and didn't like the results.  I hear this is a fairly striaght foreward install, but I want to know, does it support WiFi chipsets, ATI graphics, and how well does it work with NTFS?
[08:21] <JDigital> "Ensonic AudioPCI" it seems
[08:21] <drspin> KingArthur: NTFS is READ ONLY!
[08:21] <dampjam_> drspin: it isn't if you run ntfsfix after each use ;)
[08:21] <JDigital> KingArthur: It's far better than it was. NTFS is read only. Modern graphics cards/chipsets are well supported. I think it supports wifi but I've never used it
[08:21] <KingArthur> that's what I thoguht.  I was planning on converting one of my partitions to Fat32
[08:21] <drspin> KingArthur: There is a driver that supports writing if you don't change the filesize...
[08:21] <jnk> dampjam_, you can try the rsjog package anyway maybe it handles that too
[08:22] <drspin> dampjam_: after each file you edit you have to run that ?
[08:22] <vijub> you can use captive ntfs for wire support
[08:22] <andrewski> KingArthur: it does support wifi, as much as any linux distro.  is your card supported in linux?
[08:22] <dampjam_> drspin: after you umount ntfs, you can run ntfsfix
[08:22] <drspin> hmmm --
[08:22] <drspin> interesting!!
[08:22] <dampjam_> drspin: but you have to run it before booting windows or as the documentation puts in "you'll be sorry"
[08:22] <jnk> KingArthur, I've a latitude D600 and wifi works out of the box
[08:22] <drspin> what is the driver for my ESS1868 soundcard?
[08:22] <KingArthur> not sure if my card is supported.  I'll find out which one it is.  It's one of the Centrino chipsets.
[08:22] <jnk> chip ipw2200 (intel). Friends of mine have ipw2100 and it works too
[08:23] <andrewski> KingArthur: there's a good website whose link i forget that shows all supported cards....
[08:23] <jnk> KingArthur, if it's centrino it's probably one of those
[08:23] <drspin> Centrino works with NDISwrapper I believe
[08:23] <KingArthur> Intel(R) PRO/Wireless LAN 2100 3A Mini PCI Adapter is what I have
[08:23] <jnk> good so ipw2100 for you
[08:24] <jnk> should work out of the box
[08:24] <JDigital> Hey guys, what can I use with Linux to record myself with such as a microphone
[08:24] <jnk> JDigital, gnome-sound-recorder
[08:25] <JDigital> that program is horribly unstable and stuffs
[08:25] <Fator_Dee> and audacity, but it does a lot more
[08:25] <KingArthur> good.  I'll be dual booting from a XP partition, so I'll be able to go back if it doesn't work, but I wanted to know befoer hand.  if it didn't support it, I'd still not use Linux.  I've seen screen shots for others with variations, and love the way they look.  I only use my computer for webbased applications and chatting.  Just a little gaming, so I can go back to the other boot for that.
[08:26] <JDigital> oh now it works
[08:26] <KingArthur> so, why is this variation of Linux so small in filesize compared to Mandrake?
[08:27] <KingArthur> several other linux flavors are three iso's, so I was curious what this one ommitted
[08:27] <Cube-ness> hmm.. whas the deal with this.. did an update of hoary and now my nvidia card gets overridden by vesafb.. the nvidia module still loads, and the xorg.conf is still set to nvidia too..
[08:28] <Fator_Dee> KingArthur: mandrake offers a lot more applications on the cd's
[08:29] <andrewski> KingArthur: you have to add online repositories to get that amount of apps on ubuntu.
[08:29] <Fator_Dee> like ubuntu only has gnome, mandrake cd's have kde and gnome
[08:29] <andrewski> KingArthur: e.g. kde is not on the cds, while mandrake has both ^^
[08:29] <andrewski> like Fator_Dee said first. :P
[08:29] <Fator_Dee> multiply that with x number of applications, and it will take up space
[08:30] <KingArthur> now, what exactly is gnome and Kde?
[08:30] <Fator_Dee> window managers
[08:30] <KingArthur> user interfaces?
[08:30] <KingArthur> ok
[08:30] <andrewski> KingArthur: desktop environments, technically.
[08:30] <Graeme_Lemming> hi people, can anyone inform me of a good ide for kava development
[08:30] <Graeme_Lemming> java*
[08:30] <andrewski> Graeme_Lemming: i've heard azureus is good for development, but i don't know about kava in specific.
[08:30] <andrewski> *java :)
[08:31] <Graeme_Lemming> :)
[08:31] <Cube-ness> Graeme_Lemming, um.. eclipse?
[08:31] <goldfish> nano
[08:31] <Graeme_Lemming> you got a url
[08:31] <goldfish> :)
[08:31] <andrewski> Graeme_Lemming: www.google.com :)
[08:32] <Graeme_Lemming> good old google
[08:32] <andrewski> Graeme_Lemming: indeed.
[08:32] <KingArthur> well, everyone.  I guess I'll be on later after getting this thing downloaded, and hope it workes correctly....I hope I will be able to boot from my external USB CD/RW drive since my internal one crapped out on me
[08:32] <kayali> eclipse.org -- hard huh?
[08:33] <Graeme_Lemming> lol.. i already googled it
[08:33] <GFXstyLER> hi
[08:33] <goldfish> hai
[08:33] <GFXstyLER> i solved the problem that hoary is so slow on my pc :)
[08:34] <KingArthur> oh, speaking of which, what kind of support does linux have for external USB drives...both flash and cd/rw
[08:34] <andrewski> KingArthur: i'm pretty sure, but maybe someone else knows for sure.
[08:35] <goldfish> well my usb hard-drive worked fine
[08:35] <Cube-ness> KingArthur, very good
[08:35] <goldfish> plug and play for that
[08:35] <GFXstyLER> anyone here got the logitech eyetoy usb cam to work with ubuntu?
[08:35] <andrewski> KingArthur: as for booting from it, i think that's up to your BIOS
[08:35] <KingArthur> yeah
[08:35] <KingArthur> I figured as much with that.
[08:35] <andrewski> KingArthur: but let's hope. ;)
[08:35] <KingArthur> well, I'm out.  be on later when it's time to try to install things.  lol.
[08:35] <andrewski> good luck!
[08:35] <KingArthur> thanks everyone
[08:36] <Albacker> anyone here uses beatrix ?
[08:36] <GFXstyLER> whats beatrix?
[08:37] <Albacker> its, a distro.
[08:38] <StoneX> hi, interessiere mich gerade dafr ubuntu und wollte deshalb noch einige fragen, htte jemand von euch bissl zeit dafr brich?
[08:38] <StoneX> *fragen fragen
[08:38] <Fator_Dee> ubuntu-de?
[08:38] <GFXstyLER> stoneX was frn zeichensatz hast du o.O
[08:39] <StoneX> um ehrlich zu sein hab ich keine ahnung, wo knnte ich nachschauen?
[08:39] <GFXstyLER> das weiss ich auch nich *lol*
[08:39] <airox> ;D
[08:40] <StoneX> haettet ihr bissl zeit fuer mich brig?
[08:40] <GFXstyLER> StoneX: hab wohl zeit aber weiss nich ob ich dir helfen kann ... bin selber noch nich so lang linuxuser
[08:40] <andrewski> StoneX: hast du zeit fuer mein schlechte deutsch? :)
[08:41] <StoneX> du benutz aber schon ubuntu?
[08:41] <GFXstyLER> ich? jo
[08:41] <StoneX> sicher, darf ich aber fragen was deine muttersprache ist
[08:41] <andrewski> StoneX: ich benutze ubuntu und wahrscheinlich dir helfen kann, aber meine muttersprache ist englisch.
[08:42] <StoneX> die erste frage war eigentlich auf GFXstyLER bezogen
[08:43] <jeff_> can anyone recommend a good console based usenet reader
[08:43] <andrewski> StoneX: frag mich wenn du mein hilfe willst. :)
[08:43] <lupe> jeff_ slrn
[08:43] <andrewski> jeff_: maybe one of the CLI mailreaders?  mutt, pine, etc?
[08:43] <GFXstyLER> StoneX: meine muttersprache? niederlndisch aber seit 10 jahren auch deutsch
[08:44] <vince^> the "scripts" menu in nautilus only shows python-scripts from ~/.gnome2/nautilus-scripts, but no bash scripts.. anyone seen this problem before?
[08:44] <jeff_> thanks guys
[08:45] <gfxstyler> jeff_: sorry but i dont know
[08:45] <Cube-ness> i dont get it.. for a while, my laptop (ATI gfx) was having vesafb override the ati settings, now it doesnt do it anymore and my desktop (nvidia) does..wtf?
[08:46] <StoneX> wie kann man ubuntu eigentlich administrieren, gibt es ein kontrollzentrumartiges hilfsmittel oder muss man alles von hand konfigurieren
[08:47] <GarySaved> I was looking thru the packages in base, and I see there is a seperate entry for linux-image-k7 and linux-image-2.6.10-4-k7.  Is the first one generic, and installs the second, as the most up-to-date?  I.E. both have to be checked?
[08:47] <gfxstyler> StoneX: du findest unter Computer/Systemsteuerung konfigurationstools, du musst eigendlich nichts bis fast nichts bzw. sehr wenig von hand machen
[08:47] <andrewski> StoneX: fuer etwa programmen gibt es hilfsmittel aber nicht fuer alle.
[08:48] <StoneX> hast du erfahrung mit den konfigurationstools? ich benutze zurzeit suse und damit yast und bin zutiefst verrgert ber yast
[08:48] <Fator_Dee> GarySaved: check the package description
[08:49] <gfxstyler> StoneX: ich hasse yast :)
[08:49] <andrewski> StoneX: synaptic ist (wie?) yast aber mit weniger probleme. :)
[08:49] <peza> hi
[08:49] <andrewski> StoneX: debs sind besser als RPMs.
[08:49] <peza> i'have a problem ---
[08:49] <gfxstyler> StoneX: es gibt eine live-cd von ubuntu, damit kannst du ubuntu von cd starten und dir das angucken ohne das du deine festplatte auch nur berhrt, d.h. wenn du neustartest und die cd rausnimmst is wieder alles beim alten
[08:49] <andrewski> StoneX: ich denke...
[08:50] <peza> the kernel source in ubuntu ...
[08:50] <peza> /usr/local/src ???
[08:50] <peza> qualcuno che parla italiano ????
[08:50] <andrewski> gfxstyler: ich bin froh, dass ich nicht die nure, dass deutsch spricht bin.  (ich hoffe, dass ich das richtig sagte.)
[08:50] <StoneX> hast du erfahrung mit sympatic?
[08:50] <GarySaved> There is a linux-image-2.6.11-1-k7 in universe.  After I install it, would I remove both of the former?
[08:51] <gfxstyler> peza: you have to install the kernel sources, which then can be found at /usr/src
[08:51] <peza> ok but where is the path of kernel sources ...
[08:51] <gfxstyler> andrewski: your german isnt so bad at all :)
[08:51] <marten_> hello, if i try to start an application that uses /dev/dsp it says" /dev/dsp: No such device  Could not toggle. ".
[08:51] <andrewski> StoneX: ja, seit ich ubuntu benutzt habe.
[08:52] <marten_> does anyone how to fix this?
[08:52] <peza> tanks ....
[08:52] <andrewski> gfxstyler: "rusty", wie man das auf deutsch sagt.
[08:52] <jordanau> do i need  virus scan program with ubuntu? If so what do you recommend?
[08:52] <StoneX> ist es gut? hat es schon viele probleme gemacht?
[08:52] <andrewski> StoneX: keine grosse probleme, keine "dependency" probleme :)
[08:52] <marten_> in xmms i use the alsa plugin, and thats going well
[08:52] <gfxstyler> jordanau: no, viruses and linux are not common and you dont need a virus scanner
[08:52] <andrewski> StoneX: ich habe mandrake vor benutzt und darin viele probleme hatte.
[08:53] <jordanau> gfxstyler, thanks
[08:53] <StoneX> war es schwer von mandrake auf ubuntu umzusteigen?
[08:53] <bryan> sprechen sie English!
[08:53] <gfxstyler> StoneX: synaptic lst abhngigkeiten von selbst und ist sehr einfach zu bedienen
[08:54] <gfxstyler> StoneX: mandrake benutzt standartmig KDE, deswegen ist es "anders" als ubuntu, habe es vorher auch benutzt, aber schwer war es nicht, eher leichter
[08:54] <andrewski> StoneX: es gab uengefaehr 6 monaten waehrend ich gentoo benutzte
[08:54] <StoneX> das ist gut zu hren, allerdings bezog sich meine frage eher auf die konfiguration als auf die packetverwaltung
[08:54] <StoneX> andrewski: war also schwer von mandrake auf ubuntu umzusteigen?
[08:54] <andrewski> StoneX: konfiguration ist meistigs leicht in ubuntu.
[08:55] <StoneX> kann man die normalen debian packete, also deb, benutzen?
[08:55] <snowblink> GarySaved: You can, but I'd leave them unless you really need the space
[08:55] <gfxstyler> StoneX: ja kann man
[08:55] <andrewski> StoneX: nein, ich denke nicht.  ein paar dinge sind nicht automatisch, die in mandrake sind, aber du kannst viel hilfe bekommen.
[08:55] <gfxstyler> StoneX: aber es wird offiziell nicht empfohlen
[08:56] <gfxstyler> StoneX: ich benutze sie aber auch ohne probleme
[08:56] <andrewski> StoneX: ich benutze etwa debian packete mit keinen problemen.
[08:56] <StoneX> was wird offiziel empfohlen?
[08:56] <gfxstyler> StoneX: das man die ubuntu pakete benutzt (Synaptic, apt)
[08:56] <andrewski> StoneX: nur packete von ubuntu gegeben
[08:57] <StoneX> haben die packete besondere namen?
[08:57] <andrewski> gfxstyler: aber man kann unoffiziell packete addieren
[08:57] <gfxstyler> andrewski: yes, you can add universe and multiverse
[08:58] <feclare> can someone help me with a tv card?
[08:58] <StoneX> kennt jemand linux+?
[08:58] <feclare> or at least, to know if its tuner is sopported?
[08:58] <andrewski> StoneX: in synaptic gibt es ein icon.  und sie kommen nur wenn du ein website addieren, also du wirst wissen, wenn du nonoffiziell packete addieren.
[08:58] <bryan> feclare, is it ATI?
[08:58] <feclare> no
[08:58] <andrewski> StoneX: linux+?  nicht ich
[08:59] <feclare> it's an avermedia cardbus
[08:59] <StoneX> linux+dvd? eine linuxzeitung
[08:59] <feclare> pcmcia
[08:59] <bryan> laptop?
[08:59] <feclare> it works fine for AV input
[08:59] <gfxstyler> StoneX: hab auf ubuntuusers.de gelesen das darin jetzt eine ubuntu cd sein soll oder so
[09:00] <feclare> but I cant use the tuner for tv
[09:00] <mikep> is this the english forum?
[09:00] <StoneX> das habe ich auch gelesen nur frage ich mich ob es bei diesem preis sinnvoll ist das zu kaufen
[09:00] <snowblink> mikep: yes
[09:01] <andrewski> es ist schoen, mein deutsch zu ueben, aber wie schreibt das auf der maschine?
[09:01] <gfxstyler> StoneX: die cds kann man sich umsonst zuschicken lassen oder man ld sich kostenlos das .iso file runter und brennt es auf cd, dann hat man es auch
[09:01] <mikep> snowblink: oh, i thought i was in the german forum.
[09:01] <snowblink> andrewski, Stonex, gfxstyler: #ubuntu-de
[09:01] <gfxstyler> snowblink: i just wanted to help him, sorry
[09:02] <StoneX> sorry my fault, i will go over there
[09:02] <queuetue> Is there a warty install torrent out there?
[09:02] <andrewski> snowblink: sorry, didn't even know about #ubuntu-de ;)
[09:02] <StoneX> i didn t as well, sorry
[09:02] <Fator_Dee> gah, I said that after the first line of german gibberish :-p
[09:03] <hile> no problem with german, just ... well, then I should switch to finnish as well
[09:03] <stephen_> hi everybody
[09:04] <Fator_Dee> hile: jeps, vastapainoksi suomea :-)
[09:04] <hile> and if everyone speaks their native language the channel is just a mess
[09:04] <hile> joo otetaas vhn vaihteeksi ;)
[09:04] <hile> so, not ;)
[09:04] <Fator_Dee> yep, maybe not :-)
[09:05] <selinium_> HI all, Any one runnnig apache here? I have used synaptic to get curl but it is not available. I have just changed from a windows environment. Any help here or do i need to be in apache?
[09:05] <bryan> isn't curl a PHP/pear extension
[09:06] <virtuald> http://curl.haxx.se/
[09:06] <selinium_> bryan: yep but you need to it on the server.. Sorry libcurl, same same different.
[09:06] <hile> bryan: no dependency to php really, apt-cache search curl
[09:07] <hile> there are perl and python bindings as well, and the library itself is C
[09:07] <scotth> I'm having a problem with my ubuntu hoary ppc install where it panics when it tries to mount /dev/hda4 on / it complains that /dev/hda4 doesn't exist, yet it does and I can mount it from the ubuntu live cd... anyone have any thoughts on why that would be
[09:07] <selinium_> What i mean is just because i used synaptic to get curl, i dont konw what it has done with it. Hasit installed it? or has it unpacked it somewhere? Like I said I am v new at Ubuntu and linux in general
[09:08] <Fator_Dee> selinium_: synaptic installs automagically
[09:08] <bryan> go back into synaptic
[09:08] <hile> it's just the C-library, i think.. what did you really get
[09:08] <bryan> select the package
[09:08] <bryan> look in the package properties
[09:08] <tck> right
[09:08] <bryan> it'll tell you where it installed everything
[09:08] <tck> divx .avi on ubuntu
[09:08] <hile> oops, curl is the cli client
[09:09] <tck> just cant get it playing
[09:09] <hile> if you want the php-stuff, it's probably php4-curl and then configure apache normally
[09:09] <snowblink> scotth: what is the exact error?
[09:10] <scotth> snowblink, I'm in the live cd right now, let me reboot right fast and Ill give you the exact error
[09:10] <selinium_> Yes i have got both. but then i need to configure apache? That is all i really needed to know. I didn't want to mess up anything if it had already configured itself.
[09:11] <GarySaved> There is a 2.6.11 version kernel in universe.  Are they usually safe to use?
[09:11] <hile> it most likely already is configured, never use php4-curl so can't know
[09:11] <selinium_> cheer hile the the pointers
[09:12] <virtuald> you should look through the apache config files in /etc/apache
[09:12] <virtuald> apache2*
[09:12] <quar|work> why is ssh sooo slow?
[09:13] <quar|work> how can i tell ehich end all my lag is on?
[09:13] <Solatis> because your connection i sooo slow
[09:13] <Fator_Dee> quar|work: someone is hogging up your line?
[09:13] <quar|work> which*
[09:13] <hile> selinium_: see docs in /usr/share/doc/php4-curl/ and /usr/share/doc/libapache2-mod-php4 (if you use apache2)
[09:13] <selinium_> hile: you star!
[09:13] <quar|work> how can i tell if its my works con or my homes con?
[09:14] <virtuald> try sshing to another box
[09:14] <Solatis> quar|work: try to upload something big to a connection you know is fast
[09:14] <hile> selinium_: just tested installing php4-curl, seems it configures itself to /etc/php4/apache2/php.ini automatically
[09:14] <morphhhh> hello! i.m having a problem, i cant install grub, im having problems with it ...
[09:14] <hile> and now I'll remove it, I have no use for php4-curl ;)
[09:14] <selinium_> Aargh: that was what i was worried about!
[09:14] <morphhhh> grub-install doenst work ...
[09:15] <hile> selinium_: it just includes the php4-curl automatically to config, which makes sense: if you install it, you most likely want to use it as well...
[09:16] <orospakr> is there a meta-package that defines which packages are installed during a default ubuntu install?
[09:16] <hile> only line I saw ther was extension=curl.so
[09:16] <whiprush> jdub / Mako: Can you guys point me in the general direction of some download stats or something similar? I'm working on a lug presentation and would like a best guess on the amount of downloads.
[09:16] <selinium_> That was what i figured. I dont understand why it hasn't configured. I assume you just did a phpinfo on it?
[09:16] <Solatis> hmmm
[09:16] <queuetue> Is there any way to remotely ssh-upgrade a FC3 box to ubuntu?
[09:16] <Solatis> when upgrading to hoary
[09:17] <hile> nope I didn't, but did you run apache2ctl restart
[09:17] <Solatis> i should pay attention to updating the config files neh ?
[09:17] <Solatis> or will it do a lot of stuff automatically ?
[09:17] <selinium_> hile; That was what i figured. I dont understand why it hasn't configured. I assume you just did a phpinfo on it?
[09:17] <hile> no, and as I said, did you refresh apache?
[09:18] <tritium> it's funny how many packages evolution upgrades orphan
[09:18] <vince_> anyone hab problems with amule on hoary?
[09:18] <cavediver> Is Gnome 2.10 released ?
[09:18] <bryan> tomorrow, no?
[09:18] <Solatis> cavediver: well, i know the release parties are tomorrow
[09:19] <cavediver> Alright. My gnome seems to be 2.10 now :)
[09:19] <morphhhh> this is the error i get while running grub-install
[09:19] <morphhhh> /sbin/grub-install: line 479: /dev/null: Permission denied
[09:19] <morphhhh> The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly.
[09:19] <Solatis> cavediver: well perhaps you're using a release candidate ?
[09:19] <marten_> hello, if i try to start an application that uses /dev/dsp it says" /dev/dsp: No such device  Could not toggle. ".
[09:19] <marten_> does anyone how to fix this?
[09:19] <marten_> in xmms i use the alsa plugin, and thats going well
[09:19] <airox> Anybody knows how to get the hibernate function off a toshiba laptop working with the help of the toshiba utilities ???
[09:20] <cavediver> Solatis: I don't know. It doesn't tell.
[09:20] <Solatis> cavediver: try #gnome to see where you can verify that
[09:20] <Solatis> i'm sure they know
[09:20] <vince_> wow, "upgrade-system" removes tons of orphans..
[09:20] <cavediver> I'm there right now. They seem to be asleep :)
[09:20] <andrewski> vince_: where'd you get that program?
[09:21] <andrewski> is it installed by default?
[09:21] <airox> Is there a command to get the toshiba laptop to hibernate ??
[09:22] <morphhhh> anyone can help me with grub_
[09:22] <selinium_> hile: sorry, yes I refreshed apache
[09:22] <vince_> not sure if it's default.. i know it from other debian installations. handy tool
[09:22] <airox> Is there a way to enable APM on a laptop ?
[09:22] <airox> (So nu acpi)
[09:23] <hile> selinium_: well, my phpinfo has 'CURL Information 	libcurl/7.12.3 OpenSSL/0.9.7e zlib/1.2.2 libidn/0.5.2
[09:23] <hile> CURL Information 	libcurl/7.12.3 OpenSSL/0.9.7e zlib/1.2.2 libidn/0.5.2
[09:23] <hile> oops
[09:23] <tritium> airox, yes, there is
[09:23] <tritium> morphhhh, are you using sudo when you try that?
[09:24] <morphhhh> yes
[09:25] <morphhhh> im using a live a cd
[09:25] <morphhhh> and as root
[09:25] <airox> Or can I suspend my laptop with acpi ??
[09:25] <spiral> hi
[09:25] <tritium> airox, you can in Hoary
[09:25] <tritium> morphhhh, I've not tried it from a LiveCD
[09:25] <airox> how ?
[09:25] <tritium> acpi-support has to be installed, for one thing
[09:26] <airox> there is acpi support in the kernel
[09:26] <tritium> yes
[09:26] <tritium> acpi-support is a package
[09:26] <airox> ah
[09:26] <airox> I have it :)
[09:26] <scotth> snowblink, sorry for taking so long to get back to you, but it was a problem with me removing a custom kernel and it not updating the symlinks... so all is good now
[09:27] <Solatis> question
[09:27] <tritium> airox, great!
[09:27] <airox> :)
[09:27] <Solatis> on some 'upgrade to hoary' howto, it tells me to deinstall all xfree86 packages... this is 'xfree86-common' and 'xfree86-driver-synaptics', right ?
[09:27] <airox> I guess I found some wiki about acpi and suspend-to-ram :)
[09:28] <snowblink> scotth: ah so you can mount okay now?
[09:29] <farruinn> Solatis: really that shouldn't be necessary, but I think some people have had to do that
[09:29] <tck> has anyone gotten mplayer working on warty (x86)
[09:29] <andrewski> airox: where's the link to that?
[09:29] <Solatis> farruinn: hmmm okay, I *do* know that under Gentoo, xorg was unstable with me... so i don't /have/ to upgrade to xorg ?
[09:29] <jon1012> hi :)
[09:30] <jon1012> (someone knows how to fix compilation errors like "[...]  undefined reference to `__vprintf_chk@GLIBC_2.3.4' ?")
[09:30] <scotth> snowblink, yeah, it couldn't find the initrd and so it didn't have the proper fs drivers
[09:30] <farruinn> Solatis: that might be possible, but I haven't upgraded, so I don't know exactly what you'd have to do.
[09:31] <snowblink> scotth: yup. Cool.
[09:31] <farruinn> Solatis: I would try using Ubuntu's xorg first though unless you know for sure that there is something about xorg in general that is keeping you from using it
[09:33] <farruinn> jon1012: sounds like you need libglib2.3-dev or something, but in warty there is only 2.0
[09:33] <Solatis> farruinn: well, crashing every 20 minutes kinda keeps me from using it
[09:33] <farruinn> Solatis: what I'm saying though is that Gentoo's xorg and Ubuntu's xorg may be different
[09:33] <Solatis> and yes, i've sent numerous bug report sand stacktraces to xorg, they're aware of the problem and verified it
[09:33] <Solatis> no it's not the distribution
[09:33] <farruinn> ok, that's all I was wondering about =)
[09:33] <Solatis> :)
[09:34] <Solatis> lol wow
[09:34] <Solatis> just rebooted my workstation
[09:34] <[eDu] > hello
[09:34] <farruinn> in that case, I would start by removing ubuntu-desktop as that will depend on xorg stuff I believe
[09:34] <Solatis> hmm
[09:34] <Solatis> you know
[09:34] <Solatis> maybe it even has upgraded to xorg
[09:34] <Solatis> since it has lost my xfree config file, it seems
[09:35] <Solatis> at least it isn't using it
[09:35] <farruinn> you'll find out in 20 minutes, won't you ;)
[09:35] <sic|work> anyone know of a gui-beautiful MP3/OGG player?
[09:35] <sic|work> perhaps gui-tastic
[09:35] <farruinn> beep-media-player
[09:35] <sic|work> hehe
[09:36] <bryan> what's wrong with xmms?
[09:36] <gfxstyler> sicwork: xmms
[09:36] <sic|work> perhaps I am missing something...running xmms yields nothing
[09:37] <OrangeSlice> xmms doesn't do multibyte charsets, that's what :p
[09:37] <selinium_> hile: Got it! for some reason. The first restart didn't get it. Thanks for your help!
[09:37] <gfxstyler> if you take the right skins its looking fantastic too
[09:37] <Solatis> farruinn: :D
[09:37] <sic|work> I installed xmms through synaptic
[09:37] <Broncho> hi Im trying to login to cups but cant because there is no root. Is there a quick way around this?
[09:37] <[eDu] > sic|work: rhythymbox?
[09:37] <hile> selinium_: good ;)
[09:37] <[eDu] > sic|work: rhythmbox, i mean
[09:37] <sic|work> along with mp3 plugin
[09:37] <sic|work> and it doesn't work
[09:38] <paracelso> connect ubuntu to wxp printer
[09:38] <sic|work> try to open an MP3 with it and it just sits there...nothing happens...nothing opens...nothing at all
[09:38] <gfxstyler> sicwork: do you mean rythmbox?
[09:38] <noire> Playing: The Cure - One Hundred Years [Rock/1982]  Pornography | http://mp3.rin.ru  [0:42/6:39 (11%)]  [128Kbps] 
[09:38] <sic|work> gfx: No, XMMS
[09:38] <hile> sic|work: wrong output plugin in xmms?
[09:39] <[eDu] > sic|work: are you using the correct output?
[09:39] <noire> hee hee... sorry all
[09:39] <gfxstyler> sicwork: maybe change output plugin in the xmms settings?
[09:39] <hile> it's waiting for the audio device to be free from your desktop esound or something
[09:39] <sic|work> hile: I can't even get to the point...xmms never loads
[09:39] <bryan> try the esound output
[09:39] <sic|work> hile: I grepped for xmms and found nothing
[09:39] <farruinn> sic|work: run xmms from the terminal
[09:39] <bryan> umm
[09:39] <airox> andrewski: well.. it's not working over here :(
[09:39] <bryan> apt-get install xmms
[09:40] <andrewski> airox: hmm, well, shoot. :)
[09:40] <airox> andrewski: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SuspendHowto
[09:40] <sic|work> ahhh...libmik
[09:40] <airox> shot!
[09:40] <andrewski> airox: you're on hoary now, right?
[09:41] <airox> andrewski: yep
[09:41] <bryan> is there a sample sources file to get the newest, latest stuff for hoary?
[09:41] <AndyR> lo all
[09:42] <airox> I guess I need to use apm instead of acpi ?
[09:42] <airox> Cause if that's true I can add some information to the wiki about it.
[09:42] <sic|work> it works now...thanks guys
[09:42] <mako> whiprush: i don't have the doanlod stats.. i can tell you about pressed cds
[09:43] <gfxstyler> bryan: open the /etc/apt/sources.list and change "warty" into "hoary"
[09:43] <gfxstyler> then you get the latest hoary stuff
[09:44] <bryan> i installed from a horay cd
[09:44] <andrewski> airox: did you see the first line at the top about hoary?
[09:44] <gfxstyler> bryan: then your sources.list should be fine and you should get the latest hoary stuff
[09:44] <bryan> hrmm
[09:44] <farruinn> bryan: make sure that the online repositories are uncommented...
[09:44] <bryan> no direct client :/
[09:44] <bryan> ahh
[09:44] <bryan> ty gfxstyler , farruinn
[09:44] <Solatis> ok
[09:44] <Solatis> question
[09:44] <gfxstyler> bryan: if you are looking for more packages, try adding the universe and multiverse repository
[09:45] <airox> well ... no :(
[09:45] <airox> :/
[09:45] <Solatis> if /etc/X11/X points to /usr/bin/X11/Xorg, I'm running xorg, neh ?
[09:45] <joh> hmm, how do I force a logged-in user to log out? the user is not running any applications, but is still listed in `who'.
[09:45] <airox> andrewski: Should I restart acpi or reboot ?
[09:45] <gfxstyler> bryan: if you give me your email adress i'll send you my sources.list
[09:45] <airox> acpi-support that is ..
[09:46] <andrewski> airox: follow that link and read the hoary howto, that's what you should do. :)
[09:46] <airox> ;)
[09:46] <andrewski> airox: "NOTE: Suspend support is included in the Hoary release. Hoary users should see HoaryPM"
[09:46] <whiprush> mako: that'd be a good guess
[09:46] <andrewski> airox: good luck, i have to go now.
[09:46] <andrewski> airox: but thanks for the link.
[09:47] <Solatis> wtf... i've installed hoary, and now i'm able to fsck'ing *hybernate* my computer ? what is this evil world, Windows XP ? :)
[09:47] <andrewski> Solatis: you don't have to, it's disabled by default?
[09:47] <andrewski> Solatis: but, frankly, i think it's better to have choices than not, eh?
[09:47] <Solatis> haha
[09:47] <Solatis> yes i'm kidding
[09:47] <Solatis> i'm just amazed
[09:47] <andrewski> i know. :P
[09:48] <airox> andrewski: Yeah i overread that part. No problem for the link, thanks for your info!
[09:48] <andrewski> airox: sure!  l8r
[09:48] <airox> ciao!
[09:48] <morphhhh> i cant install grub on my machine, i had it running but it messed up now i get an error < /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly >..
[09:48] <cg> Hi,  help is needed with hoary and audigy not giving sound
[09:48] <kerskine> I've got a coffee-house/wifi/dhcp issue - can anyone help?
[09:48] <mako> whiprush: we've printed up somewhere in teh order of a million. a bit less i think
[09:49] <kerskine> running warty and latest dhcp-client
[09:50] <[FiDO] > cg: I had the same problem yesterday
[09:50] <[FiDO] > just open your gnome-alsamixer
[09:51] <cg> FIDO:  is it fixed now?
[09:51] <[FiDO] > and uncheck the box Audigy analog/digital input jack
[09:51] <[FiDO] > output jack rather
[09:51] <yaaar> word
[09:51] <[FiDO] > for some reason mine was trying to use digital output
[09:52] <[FiDO] > do you have a audigy 2
[09:52] <cg> FIDO: yes
[09:52] <[FiDO] > same as me that's probably the problem
[09:52] <cg> can you explain better please?
[09:52] <yaaar> anybody know why my synaptic won't open? I run it, it asks for the root password, and when I put it in it waits a bit and comes back with this error:    "Failed to run /usr/sbin/synaptic as user root: Child terminated with 1 status"
[09:53] <Nakah> hi, I have a problem with wpa_supplicant and open wep keys
[09:53] <[FiDO] > do you have the gnome-alsamixer installed
[09:53] <[FiDO] > you should have it I think
[09:53] <cg> FIDO: going to check , dont know
[09:53] <[FiDO] > just go to run application and type gnome-alsamixer
[09:54] <[FiDO] > if it works ya have it
[09:54] <PotajiTo> how do i unistall something installed from source?
[09:54] <snowblink> PotajiTo: travel back in time, and use checkinstall
[09:54] <snowblink> yaaar: have you tried your password?
[09:55] <HiddenWolf> are there any hdd recovery tools for xfs drives?
[09:55] <cg> FIDO: i think it is not installed because it gives an error
[09:55] <yaaar> snowblink: oh.....right. i forget about all this sudo crap ubuntu does. btw....that's really jank.
[09:55] <yaaar> but thanks...i'll bet that does it
[09:55] <[FiDO] > what error
[09:56] <Nakah> can someone help me please ?
[09:56] <cg> this :Cannot display location 'file://gnome-alsamixer
[09:56] <[FiDO] > yep that's what it means just install it from synaptic
[09:56] <cg> ok
[09:56] <[FiDO] > assuming you've set up all the repositories
[09:57] <projectmayhem> hey everyone, i have a question... is ubuntu xorg or xfree86?
[09:57] <[FiDO] > xorg
[09:57] <snowblink> projectmayhem: xorg in hoary, xfree in warty
[09:57] <projectmayhem> snowblink what version of xfree?
[09:57] <gfxstyler> 4.3 i guess
[09:58] <shock> projectmayhem - seen tyler somewhere? ;)
[09:58] <[FiDO] > I'm losing my mind I can't get the damn sound working for my tv capture card
[09:58] <projectmayhem> shock yep :-D great movie
[09:58] <shock> indeed
[09:59] <snowblink> projectmayhem: According to apt 4.3.0.dfsg.1-6ubuntu25
[09:59] <projectmayhem> is there anything to autoinstall rpms in ubuntu like in fedora?
[09:59] <projectmayhem> thx snowblink
[09:59] <cg> FIDO:  ok, now it is installed, what should i do now?
[09:59] <[FiDO] > try running it
[09:59] <bryan> you can alien file.rpm
[09:59] <bryan> then dpkg -i file.deb
[09:59] <[FiDO] > then uncheck the analog/digital output box if its checked
[09:59] <[FiDO] > it took me forever to figure out that that was all that was wrong
[10:00] <snowblink> projectmayhem: apt-get upgrade
[10:00] <cg> just "External Amplifier" is checked
[10:00] <[FiDO] > jas
[10:01] <projectmayhem> ok... this is gonna sound sad... i just swtiched from fedora... whats the syntax to enable superuser??
[10:01] <Fator_Dee> use sudo
[10:01] <[FiDO] > sorry other way around make sure it is checked
[10:01] <farruinn> projectmayhem: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[10:01] <[FiDO] > lol
[10:01] <bryan> sudo -s -H if you don't feel like doing it every 5 seconds
[10:02] <projectmayhem> thx
[10:02] <projectmayhem> that's actually a really nice feature...
[10:02] <R0bNyc> anyone here using xfce4.2 ?
[10:02] <R0bNyc> it has so much prbos
[10:02] <gfxstyler> R0bNyc: i am using it
[10:02] <[FiDO] > cg: did that fix it
[10:03] <R0bNyc> gfxstyler, I'm getting these probs
[10:03] <cg> FIDO: thanks man know i have sound
[10:03] <R0bNyc> and these updates that come up in gnome and they never go away so I had to take off xfce and remove the sources so it would stop
[10:03] <[FiDO] > np
[10:03] <cg> GREAT
[10:03] <tck> anyone get an div-x .avi playing with warty (x86) ?
[10:04] <gfxstyler> R0bNyc: what updates are that? i have a systemload-plugin update that will never go away if i dont disable the xfce sources, but i dont think its a big prob :)
[10:04] <geppy> When will the Hoary task bar be fixed?
[10:04] <Solatis> for xorg... should i use module 'nv' instead of 'nvidia' ? if i use 'nvidia', it seems to crash upon loading (dark screen, nothing appearing, no crash, no logs, no nvidia logo)
[10:04] <R0bNyc> gfxstyler, yea that
[10:04] <poxymox> tck: With mplayer no Prob
[10:04] <tck> poxymox, it never installs
[10:04] <R0bNyc> XFce4.2 use to be much better at first
[10:04] <tck> mplayer-586 gives deps problems :/
[10:04] <gfxstyler> R0bNyc: yes i had that too, i simply disabled the xfce sources
[10:05] <poxymox> You found it in the Universe and multiverse repository
[10:05] <tck> poxymox, aye
[10:05] <tck> should i compile from source ?
[10:05] <R0bNyc> gfxstyler, ah
[10:05] <R0bNyc> alrighty
[10:05] <Fator_Dee> it's hard to uninstall if you compile it from source
[10:05] <poxymox> I try it but give up (to many dependensies i must install)
[10:05] <Fator_Dee> btw, is there a howto for that?
[10:06] <gfxstyler> R0bNyc: what i dont get is why it stays there forever, i already have the systemload plugin installed
[10:06] <[FiDO] > has anyone managed to get sound working for their tv card
[10:06] <poxymox> But than i get an nicesource.list with multi- and universe an it rocks already
[10:06] <Fator_Dee> or can I just delete everything that I find with "locate mplayer" :-p
[10:06] <[FiDO] > I've tried everything with no luck
[10:07] <Fator_Dee> [FiDO] : I have, didn't have to do nothing though :-p
[10:07] <projectmayhem> the debian package wouldn't install.. broken pipe or something...
[10:07] <Fator_Dee> just install and fire up tvtime
[10:07] <[FiDO] > that's what I'm using
[10:07] <InitMass> how do i unrar a .rar file?
[10:07] <[FiDO] > I'm using a wintv card
[10:07] <R0bNyc> gfxstyler, same
[10:07] <geppy> InitMass:  unrar foo.rar
[10:07] <poxymox> make uninstall?
[10:07] <geppy> InitMass: get 'unrar' from multiverse, or something like that
[10:08] <sihen> hello all
[10:08] <Fator_Dee> jesus has left the building
[10:08] <sihen> can someone possible help me out, just installed ubuntu but it didnt ask me for a root passwd?
[10:08] <InitMass> geppy, never heard about multiverse
[10:08] <[FiDO] > hmm my best guess as to why its not working is its trying to use the sound capture from my webcam
[10:08] <Fator_Dee> sihen: 21:34:17 < A-Master> Mutta jos on hl m=65kg ja lautta m=165kg ja pituus 4,4m. Kaveri liikkuu tasaisella nopeudella laidasta laitaan lautalla. Paljonko
[10:08] <gfxstyler> sihen: you dont need it, you have sudo
[10:08] <Fator_Dee> sorry
[10:08] <Fator_Dee> messed p with paste :-p
[10:08] <geppy> InitMass:  Nevermind, it's just universe.
[10:08] <sihen> let me try
[10:08] <Goshawk> sihen, right
[10:08] <gfxstyler> sihen: if you still want root accsess, type in "sudo passwd root"
[10:09] <sihen> gfxstyler, doesnt seem to work as i didnt set a root passwd?
[10:09] <InitMass> geppy, now i remember that multiverse thing. could you give me a link to a multiverse repository plrease?
[10:10] <cg> I also have problems with TVtime and my ATI AIW
[10:10] <projectmayhem> cg did you get the driver installed? that's what i'm trying to do...
[10:10] <gfxstyler> sihen: no passwd is not the password, its a command
[10:10] <geppy> InitMass: '
[10:10] <sihen> ok its sorted
[10:10] <bryan> i finally just got the new ati drivers to work, now i'm cruising in 1280x1024
[10:10] <sihen> thanks gfxstyler
[10:10] <bryan> *happy*
[10:10] <gfxstyler> sihen: np
[10:10] <projectmayhem> bryan can you help me out?
[10:10] <geppy> InitMass: 'unrar' is in universe, but here's how to install multiverse: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-20.3414506543/
[10:10] <sihen> first time using this distro :)
[10:10] <cg> what driver?
[10:10] <[FiDO] > wow cg we seem to be having the same problems dont we
[10:10] <Solatis> ooohhhh
[10:10] <Solatis> the new synaptic looks slick!
[10:11] <poxymox> http://www.ubuntuusers.de/sturmkind/sources.list
[10:11] <InitMass> geppy, thanx
[10:11] <geppy> InitMass: No problem.
[10:11] <cg> FIDO: you also
[10:11] <bryan> https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894&task=knowledge&folderID=27
[10:11] <[FiDO] > must be related to the audigy 2 cause that's what we have in common
[10:11] <cg> FIDO: do have ATI AIW?
[10:11] <[FiDO] > no
[10:11] <Solatis> ehhhr
[10:11] <sihen> gfxstyler, also never used apt-get before, how would i install or search for amsn for example
[10:11] <Solatis> i'm wondering
[10:12] <Solatis> if some crucial part of a library is missing
[10:12] <Solatis> in hoary
[10:12] <[FiDO] > I have a seperate card
[10:12] <gfxstyler> sihen: apt-get install amsn
[10:12] <Solatis> where should i report it ? :)
[10:12] <R0bNyc> i'm trying to get the mplayer-plugins for the browser anyone knows
[10:12] <gfxstyler> sihen: but you can look at Synaptic, there is a search function and a package list, thats much more comfortable
[10:12] <cg> my problem is I can not change the video source
[10:12] <[FiDO] > oh nevermind then
[10:13] <sihen> gfxstyler,
[10:13] <farruinn> Solatis: if it's a bug, bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[10:13] <sihen> E: Couldn't find package amsn
[10:13] <Solatis> farruinn: mwoah... it's more that the package 'boost' is split up in sublibraries (threads, sockets, etc) ... one (recently added) part, which /should/ be in the latest version (strings), isn't there
[10:14] <sihen> i need to find the config option in x to change keyboard setup
[10:14] <gfxstyler> sihen: have you edited your sources.list to support the universe and multiverse repository?
[10:14] <sihen> nm
[10:14] <sihen> found it
[10:14] <sihen> gfxstyler,  how?
[10:15] <bryan> sihen, have you looked @ www.ubuntuguide.org yet?
[10:15] <farruinn> Solatis: hrm, don't know what boost is, have you tried 'apt-cache search boost'?
[10:15] <Solatis> :)
[10:15] <Solatis> yes ofcourse
[10:15] <Solatis> it isn't there :)
[10:15] <Solatis> ah well i'll just submit a bugzilla report
[10:15] <Solatis> and see what trails that leads
[10:15] <farruinn> Solatis: either that or report it to the developer mailing list
[10:15] <Solatis> ok thanks
[10:16] <sihen> farruinn, just installed 2 mins ago
[10:17] <gfxstyler> sihen: "sudo vim /etc/apt/sources.list" and then uncomment the universe repositories
[10:17] <tizen> hey guys, you know where i can define preferred applications for all filetypes? Like mp3's played by xmms?
[10:18] <geppy> tizen:  In Nautilus, right-click and go to 'Properties'.
[10:18] <oly> whats the force eject cd command ?
[10:18] <geppy> oly: eject
[10:18] <geppy> oly:  eject /media/cdrom
[10:18] <oly> does not work
[10:18] <geppy> tizen: Go to "Open With" on the Permissions menu.
[10:18] <dsoft> hiya
[10:18] <tizen> geppy:  Thank you very much
[10:18] <geppy> tizen:  No problem.
[10:19] <dsoft> there is any chance of getting "normal" debian througth ubuntu cd install?
[10:19] <geppy> oly:  Works fine for me.  You're probably using the drive, if that doesn't work.
[10:19] <Echylo> does it sounds logic to anyone that you talk more with your girlfriend after you broke yp
[10:19] <geppy> Echylo: Yes.
[10:19] <Jerub> dsoft: you could just install ubuntu, then put in the debian sources.list
[10:19] <oly> yeah, thats what it says
[10:19] <oly> but i am not
[10:19] <dsoft> install, chaging the source.list to debian, and apt-get upgrade world?
[10:19] <Jerub> dsoft: then dist-upgrade and hope nothing breaks too bad.
[10:19] <sihen> gfxstyler,  ta. last question why when i try run synaptic or the updater and i put in the root passwd it tells me its incorrect?
[10:19] <geppy> oly:  If it says that you are, then you are. =)
[10:19] <Echylo> damn
[10:19] <oly> i need away to force it
[10:19] <Echylo> not really a ubuntu question
[10:20] <tizen> second question... Sometimes when I'm using gaim, I click around the outside of the window and it changes to the size modifying cursor, but then i'm stuck and it won't take any commands... I can move the cursor around but i can't alt+tab or anything... Suggestions? Usually I just ctrl+alt+bksp but something must be more elegant
[10:20] <Echylo> but I'm in the middle of that problem now
[10:20] <spiral> re
[10:20] <geppy> oly:  Perhaps you ran something from a terminal where you were in /media/cdrom0, or something?
[10:20] <oly> well i dont knwo whats using it, and i just want to change cd
[10:20] <geppy> oly:  There is a 'force' option.
[10:20] <back_east> Echylo: I bet I could top you.  What's her number?
[10:20] <farruinn> oly: you neeed to unmount the device first...
[10:20] <Jerub> oly: you can find out what's using it using lsof
[10:20] <geppy> oly:  Change CDs... are you installing a multi-CD program through WINE?
[10:20] <gfxstyler> sihen: try to type in the user password, maybe that helps
[10:20] <oly> yeah i am using wine
[10:20] <geppy> oly:  Jerub is right;  use 'lsof /dev/cdrom/*
[10:20] <geppy> oly:  You'll either need a second CD-ROM drive, or Cedega.
[10:20] <Jerub> no.
[10:21] <geppy> oly: Sorry.
[10:21] <Jerub> lsof /media/cdrom
[10:21] <Jerub> whereever you've mounted it.
[10:21] <plex0r> how can i get linkysys wireless b to work with ubuntu
[10:21] <sihen> ta
[10:21] <geppy> Jerub: oops, my bad
[10:21] <gfxstyler> sihen: but normally you have to type in the root/sudo password
[10:21] <Echylo> back_east Iwont/tell.you.so.
[10:21] <Jerub> another option with wine is to mount the cd images loopback.
[10:21] <Jerub> i.e.
[10:21] <oly> okay ta
[10:21] <back_east> Echylo: It was worth a shot.
[10:21] <oly> it cuz i was in the path on terminal
[10:21] <oly> how annoying :p
[10:21] <Jerub> dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/home/myuser/cdimage-1.iso
[10:21] <Echylo> I ain't gonna talk about my personal life, just a question
[10:21] <geppy> oly:  =)
[10:22] <Jerub> mount -t iso9660 -o loop /home/myuser/cdimage-1.iso /media/cdrom-1
[10:22] <geppy> Jerub:  If he's installing something with WINE, odds are that it's a copy-protected CD, and dd will choke and die on that.
[10:22] <sihen> gfxstyler,  thanks for all the help
[10:22] <oly> i wish it would just eject regardless when i press the cd button
[10:22] <gfxstyler> sihen: no problem :)
[10:22] <poSca> evening.. some1 know what to do with this little problem http://euroloser.dk/apt-error ?
[10:22] <geppy> oly:  That's a good way to get a BSOD in Windows.
[10:22] <geppy> oly:  There's a reason that you can't do that.
[10:23] <oly> yeah, but its anoying :p
[10:23] <sihen> gfxstyler,  does ubuntu mount my other hd's auto?
[10:23] <geppy> oly:  Less annoying than a complete system crash, I should think. =)
[10:23] <oly> well it coudl just kill the app thats using the cd drive
[10:23] <oly> :p
[10:23] <gfxstyler> sihen: i dont know, if you open nautilus you should see if they are mounted or not
[10:23] <geppy> sihen:  It depends on whether or not you installed them with the installer.  You can check /etc/fstab to see if they are auto-mounted on boot.
[10:23] <Fator_Dee> oly: that could crash the system too :-p
[10:23] <gfxstyler> sihen: but i guess yes
[10:23] <geppy> oly:  heh =)
[10:23] <Jerub> oly: its really really really complicated.
[10:24] <sihen> root@Enigma:~ # apt-get install amsn
[10:24] <sihen> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[10:24] <sihen> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[10:24] <Jerub> sihen: sudo apt-get install imsn
[10:24] <Jerub> er whateever. use sudo
[10:24] <farruinn> sihen: close synaptic
[10:24] <gfxstyler> sihen: do you have synaptics open?
[10:24] <Jerub> oh,you're logged in as root. nevermind.
[10:24] <sihen> ok its working
[10:24] <sihen> ta ta
[10:25] <sihen> brb
[10:25] <queuetue> WhenI run a "cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc -msinfo", I get a bout a bushel and a half of nastiness about lack of DVD support, suggesting I buy a professional package, and complaining about kernel 2.5.  What gives?
[10:25] <airox> Nice, I got suspend to ram working. But hibernation doesn't want to work yet. But I did set the /etc/default/acpi-support to yes :(
[10:26] <bryan> does anyone know why they took that beautiful blue ximen window skin out of horay?
[10:26] <gfxstyler> bryan: why dont you add it if you like it so much ? :)
[10:27] <bryan> can't find it
[10:28] <gfxstyler> bryan: did you look at http://www.gnome-look.org ?
[10:28] <back_east> airox: Did you try swsusp or the kernel suspend to disk?
[10:28] <bryan> nope, thanks for the link though!
[10:28] <airox> back_east: I have a toshiba that supports hibernation.
[10:28] <gfxstyler> bryan: np
[10:29] <back_east> airox: in the BIOS?
[10:29] <airox> back_east: But I guess I forget to set the hibernation lba :/
[10:29] <back_east> airox: Oh
[10:29] <airox> back_east: There was some line that I had to add a 'kopt' section to grub
[10:29] <airox> Should it have a # at the beginning of the line ?
[10:30] <back_east> airox: Yes
[10:30] <airox> Sounds weird, mostly it's used as commmenting out :/
[10:30] <back_east> airox: kopts are added to each kernel listing when you run "grub-install"
[10:31] <back_east> airox: Yeah, it breaks all kinds of conventions
[10:31] <seacyd> Hi! The latest hoary update had brought the weather report gnome applet to release 2.10. There is a night feature installed which though does not take into account if this city still has daylight. Can this be changed?
[10:32] <airox> update-grub would install grub to the lba would it ?
[10:33] <airox> damnit, never mind
[10:33] <mcphail> queuetue: Linus and the cdrecord author have indulged in a little mutual flaming over time. Not helpful.
[10:33] <airox> i ran update-grub the previous time :/
[10:34] <back_east> airox: That's the one I meant
[10:34] <airox> back_east: Yeah, it did add a line with kopt, but I forget to add suspend=/dev/hda4 :/
[10:34] <back_east> airox: yeah, update grub installs a new MBR
[10:35] <geppy> Where can I learn QT?  I'm looking to port a KDE app to GTK.
[10:36] <Chipzz> geppy: wrong channel
[10:36] <geppy> Chipzz:  Righto, thanks.
[10:36] <Chipzz> geppy: EXTREMELY wrong channel
[10:36] <airox> :P
[10:36] <geppy> Chipzz:  haha, yeah. =)
[10:36] <Chipzz> ubuntu almost only has gtk+/gnome apps
[10:36] <geppy> Yeah.
[10:37] <HiddenWolf> Chipzz: there is kubuntu :)
[10:38] <mcphail> geppy: http://www.trolltech.com/
[10:38] <geppy> mcphail: Danke!
[10:38] <mcphail> np
[10:39] <geppy> Agh, there's a reason I don't use that stuff.
[10:39] <tt> hi
[10:39] <bryan> link?
[10:39] <geppy> bryan:  http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=271&slide=01
[10:39] <tck> sorry 'bout this paste
[10:40] <tck> but mplayer is driving me mad
[10:40] <geppy> tck:  Use PasteBin
[10:40] <bryan> ugly
[10:40] <geppy> bryan:  Agreed.
[10:40] <JStrike> configure seems to think that I don't have gcc 3.2 or above. Is this an issue with Ubuntu's configure or with the apps configure script?
[10:41] <tck> http://www.pastebin.com/251110
[10:41] <bryan> do you know you have gcc installed?
[10:41] <geppy> JStrike: Have you installed 'build-essential'?
[10:41] <back_east> bryan: if "which gcc" gives you a path
[10:42] <snoop_> eh...does anyone use wireless intenet? got problems with that here.....
[10:42] <plex0r> gah i dont think i cang et online on my ubuntu systtem
[10:42] <JStrike> geppy : No. Will install it. Thanks
[10:42] <geppy> JStrike: No problem.
[10:42] <JStrike> I had just install gcc 4.0
[10:43] <error_29> hello all.  I've decided to take the plunge and upgrade warty to hoary -- just don't want to wait till April! -- and I'm not clear about some things
[10:44] <error_29> Should I remove backports, multiverse, etc from synaptic before upgrading to the hoary versions of my packages?
[10:44] <error_29> I'm worried about conflicts
[10:44] <error_29> and clueless...
[10:44] <snoop_> anyone have any trouble installing ndiswrapper? giving me errors ..
[10:45] <gfxstyler> snoop_; i have it installed, works without probs
[10:45] <farruinn> error_29: backports yes, multiverse I don't know about
[10:46] <farruinn> error_29: some people have had problems upgrading with backports installed
[10:46] <snoop_> gives me this error :
[10:46] <snoop_> make -C driver install
[10:46] <snoop_> make[1] : Entering directory `/home/anoop/ndiswrapper-1.1/driver'
[10:46] <snoop_> Can't find kernel sources in /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/build;
[10:46] <snoop_>   give the path to kernel sources with KSRC=<path> argument to make
[10:46] <snoop_> make[1] : *** [prereq_check]  Error 1
[10:46] <snoop_> make[1] : Leaving directory `/home/anoop/ndiswrapper-1.1/driver'
[10:46] <snoop_> make: *** [install]  Error 2
[10:46] <plex0r> how am i supposed to set up wireless network card, when i cant get on the internet on the nix system?
[10:47] <aeolist> hello ubuntuers
[10:47] <error_29> thanks farruinn --
[10:47] <aeolist> is there a jigdo file for the weekly dvd?
[10:47] <gfxstyler> snoop_; did you install the kernel sources?
[10:47] <gfxstyler> snoop_: search for linux-source in synaptic
[10:47] <snoop_> i am new at this..how would i go about doing that?
[10:47] <snoop_> ok
[10:47] <plex0r> no one knows..
[10:48] <snoop_> is there a specific repository? cause it says nothing when i search for it
[10:49] <Symbiot> johnni bruger ikke gummistvler
[10:49] <yaaar> does ubuntu not make use of the full debian apt library? in particular, I'm looking for a package for asterisk....my asterisk howto suggests debian as a distro with excellent support, and i've got this ubuntu box that was just sort of lying around......but apt-cache search asterisk doesn't turn anything up?
[10:49] <andreas> Rdgrd med flde
[10:49] <Xappe> hmm, i'm planning to install Hoary on my ibook, what do you recommend; upgrade from clean warty install or a Hoary snapshot (array 6 or so)?
[10:50] <Symbiot> haha
[10:50] <andreas> Hejsa! du har et lille problem emd dit charset s pas p de ikke bliver sure p dig...
[10:50] <error_29> snoop, it's in there
[10:50] <aeolist> xappe: hoary snapshot
[10:50] <Xappe> i've always experienced easy upgrades on x86 pc:s
[10:50] <farruinn> yaaar: universe is enabled?
[10:50] <Symbiot> woopsie
[10:50] <error_29> search  "linux-source" -- search "description and name"
[10:50] <error_29> er,sorry
[10:50] <andreas> Hvad er det for nogle alger du lider under?
[10:50] <yaaar> farruinn: my sources file looks the same as that suggested at ubuntuguide.org
[10:50] <snoop_> okay i think i am downloading the source now..
[10:51] <farruinn> yaaar: you could add a deb-src line for sid and do it that I suppose
[10:51] <error_29> I'm an idiot snoop, 'cause i don't know which repositories you've got --anyway, mine has it marked as "supported" by ubuntu
[10:51] <Xappe> aeolist, why?
[10:51] <Symbiot> det er vist mest penselalger...
[10:51] <Symbiot> tror jeg
[10:52] <aeolist> xappe: easier, safer, quicker
[10:52] <snoop_> alright...i just put in the main and unuverse and i got the sources..
[10:52] <andreas> Hi guys... I`m having trouble persuading Symbiot that Ubuntu really is better than XP. Would anyone like to help me in this task?
[10:52] <Symbiot> hehe
[10:52] <yaaar> farruinn: will that interfere with my existing sources? Like, if they have different versions of the same packages? And does it cause any problems to mix in normal debian packages in ubuntu?
[10:52] <aeolist> xappe: ppl have had probs changing xfree86 for xorg etc... why go into all that trouble?
[10:52] <djp> does anyone know if there is a working app to create vcd/svcds with ubuntu yet?
[10:52] <andreas> Hmm... Tager dvrg sugemaller ikke dem?
[10:52] <Symbiot> hmm
[10:52] <Symbiot> ved jeg ikke
[10:53] <Xappe> aeolist, because i have my pile of warty cd:s right here on my desk
[10:53] <Symbiot> jeg ved at SAE gr..
[10:53] <andreas> Det er jeg alts ret sikker p
[10:53] <Symbiot> s dem skal jeg have fingre i
[10:53] <brenton> I'm a linux newbie, how do I change my monitor type
[10:53] <snoop_> error_29: i believe the source has successfully installed
[10:53] <andreas> *s* Jeg skal ogs have sparket kresten til staden for  at kbe en hndfuld til mig
[10:53] <gfxstyler> andreas & symbiot: i had to stop talking german, so you now stop talking ..whatever language you use :)
[10:53] <Symbiot> hahaha
[10:53] <aeolist> xappe: that's not a good excuse :)
[10:53] <Symbiot> n, jeg vil i seng..... snork godt...
[10:53] <error_29> not to be difficult, andreas, but better at what?  It's apples and oranges, as far as I'm concerned.  So far xp is a hell of a lot better at booting up fast, not draining my battery, and not running my cpu at full throttle for no reason
[10:53] <andreas> gfx: please?
[10:53] <andreas> Pretty please?
[10:54] <error_29> but in general, I do think ubuntu is better
[10:54] <orospakr> What is the ID of the key that signed the packages in hoary? I don't want to see the "cannot very packages" message from apt.
[10:54] <gfxstyler> andreas: what? i dont understand what you mean,sorry
[10:54] <orospakr> s/very/verify/
[10:54] <aeolist> xappe: whatever you do remember to install a cpu - specific kernel
[10:54] <Xappe> aeolist, of course
[10:54] <snoop_> error_29: after the install, i tried to install it again...still gave me the same error
[10:55] <andreas> gfx: Can` t we just have a conversation? A quick one? We`ll dump the silly letter () if they`re bothering you
[10:55] <djp> anyone know of an app to create vcd/svcd's under ubuntu?
[10:55] <gfxstyler> snoop_: you have to install the sources of the kernel you use at the moment
[10:55] <geppy|away> djp: k3B
[10:56] <gfxstyler> andreas: not that you are bothering me, but maybe others have problems, because they told me to stop speaking german too. so feel free to continue :)
[10:57] <error_29> All I want to know is what the hell "snork godt" means, or if you made it up!  Snork godt!
[10:57] <andreas> gfx: I`m actually a bit hurt that you cannot recognize the language. We are neighbours you know..*lol*
[10:57] <djp> geppy|away: what i am looking for is a program that will allow me to convert .mov, .avi files into mpeg2 files. k3b would allow me to burn the final .cue/.bin files, but i can do that with cdrecord anyway.
[10:57] <snoop_> gfxstyler: silly querstion but how do i know? i installed the 386 install disk last night..
[10:57] <geppy|away> gjp: transcode
[10:58] <andreas> error: LOL "Snork godt" means sweat dreams.
[10:58] <Xappe> we should hold the danish people short, or they will take over the whole channel :) (hehe, yes, i'm a swede)
[10:58] <gfxstyler> andreas: sorry for hurting you, i simply dont know
[10:58] <djp> geppy|away: yeah, i know, had that working wonderfully using the tovid script under fc3 but transcode is bust in ubuntu at present
[10:59] <gfxstyler> snoop_: i guess you use the 2.6.8 kernel
[10:59] <andreas> Hehe! Xappe: At least we can hold our booze ;-)
[10:59] <Xappe> andreas, ahahaha...no you can't. i've seen you at the roskilde festival ;)
[10:59] <geppy|away> djp:  Compile from source? I don't know what to say.
[10:59] <snoop_> gfxstyler: i downloaded the 2.6.8.1 source
[10:59] <andreas> Xappe: Weren`t you passed out?? LOL
[10:59] <Xappe> andreas, :)
[11:00] <gfxstyler> snoop_: why dont you install ndiswrapper out of synaptic? its available as package there
[11:00] <error_29> thanks for the translation, Andreas.  "Snork" is sweet?
[11:00] <andreas> comhem.se - another Swede?
[11:00] <Xappe> yes
[11:00] <andreas> error: "Snork" is "dream". To be frank it means "snorring"
[11:00] <error_29> that's about the least onomatopoeic word I've ever heard... ;)
[11:01] <farruinn> is there a way to convince apt that package A doesn't need to depend on package B? (because the developers are silly and A actually needs C)?
[11:01] <Xappe> andreas, comhem = telia cable
[11:01] <snoop_> wow...cant believe i didnt try synaptic and using the mainrepositories...it is installed now..
[11:01] <djp> geppy|away: no probs. i think it is apparant that i will have to wait for a later ubuntu release and then give my vcd/svcd creation urges a feed! love ubuntu too much to change just because of that one issue
[11:01] <error_29> I wonder if English "snore" could be derived from something like "snork" !
[11:01] <andreas> Both of you guys: I see
[11:01] <geppy|away> farruinn:  Get the source and change the dependencies? =P
[11:01] <geppy|away> djp:  Yeah, same here. =)
[11:01] <gfxstyler> farruinn: maybe you can use --force or something like that?
[11:02] <error_29> oops, sorry andreas, I'm not reading well here
[11:02] <snoop_> gfxstyler: what do i have to do now to get my linksys card going?
[11:02] <andreas> error: I think it works the other way around
[11:02] <error_29> you did say snoring..
[11:02] <andreas> yes
[11:02] <windows-farhan> i saw in the package lists that ubuntu has speakup support..for the blind is this true?
[11:02] <andreas> Well.... Let`s get down to business
[11:02] <gfxstyler> snoop_: if you have installed ndiswrapper, you have to get the windows drivers for your card
[11:02] <snoop_> gfxstyler: got them on a cd..
[11:03] <andreas> What`s all this about a "Kubuntu" distro? It kinda destroys Ubuntus role on the market
[11:03] <windows-farhan> wait. ndswaper. i've hurd of that
[11:03] <windows-farhan> or something\] 
[11:03] <windows-farhan> yah i hurd about the new kde thingy
[11:03] <gfxstyler> snoop_: if you have them, open a console, go to the directory and then use "ndiswrapper -i yourinifile.ini". the yourinifile.ini is the ini file of your card drivers
[11:03] <farruinn> geppy|away: yeah... too bad I don't know how
[11:03] <Riddell> andreas: it's top secret, if you've heard about it we will have to kill you (or bribe you, one or the other)
[11:03] <snoop_> gfxstyler: alright will try now...
[11:04] <windows-farhan> wait. can anyone tell me if speakup support is in the ubuntu iso?
[11:04] <andreas> riddell: I prefer taking the bribe
[11:04] <error_29> andreas, I like the idea of ubuntuizing kde, but i don't think they should call it "kubuntu"
[11:04] <windows-farhan> i have debian currently on this box
[11:04] <snoop_> gfxstyler: got one called wlan.ini...
[11:04] <andreas> error: What is tyhere to gain by doing it?
[11:04] <andreas> there
[11:05] <error_29> what I really wish is for some genius to somehow merge gnome and kde, just the best parts, and get rid of the crap
[11:05] <error_29> I like the kde kicker a lot better than the gnome panels, and I prefer konqueror to nautilus
[11:05] <andreas> Hmm... I would hate to see Hoary ship with KDE as default
[11:05] <boxemall> hi folks!
[11:06] <error_29> but kde as it stands is overkill
[11:06] <geppy|away> farruinn: 'sudo apt-get source foo'
[11:06] <[DRWN] Atheist> knoq is very nice
[11:06] <[DRWN] Atheist> konq
[11:06] <geppy|away> farruinn: Then just edit the debian/control file
[11:06] <boxemall> got one problem! just installed warty array 6 and got no sound with terratex dmx 6 fire (was no problem under suse so far)
[11:06] <windows-farhan> hoary and wordy whats the differents?
[11:06] <windows-farhan> ?
[11:06] <mcphail> k3b would be lovely in GTK clothing
[11:06] <gfxstyler> snoop_: then you have to open a terminal/console, go to the drivers directory and use "ndiswrapper -i wlan.ini", then watch if its installed with "ndiswrapper -l" and if its present, use "ndiswrapper -m" to make an wlan0 alias to your card. if you have made the alias, you can config your card with "iwconfig" (e.g. iwconfig wlan0 - to get a list of the commands use iwconfig --help)
[11:06] <andreas> farhan: auto update and other nifty features
[11:06] <dazed> hey can =anyone help me with burning a cd?
[11:07] <error_29> I agree andreas, shouldn't be a default, but a nicely configured ubuntu styled, stripped down version of kde as an option would be cool
[11:07] <windows-farhan> does horry have support for the blind yet?
[11:07] <geppy|away> mcphail:  That's what I'm looking at. =/
[11:07] <Xappe> dazed, what's your problem?
[11:07] <Tomcat_> [23:05:53]  [error_29]  what I really wish is for some genius to somehow merge gnome and kde, just the best parts, and get rid of the crap <--- xfce? /me ducks :D
[11:07] <boxemall> does anyone here know how to fix my sound problem?
[11:07] <windows-farhan> hmm
[11:07] <andreas> error: I disagree. Gnome ber alles!
[11:07] <error_29> Tomcat?
[11:07] <gfxstyler> Tomcat_: xfce rocks
[11:07] <farruinn> geppy|away: ok, do I need to run debian/rules build again or can I just run debian/rules binary?
[11:07] <mcphail> geppy|away: You planning on using the C++ wrappers for GTK? Or rewriting in C?
[11:08] <Fator_Dee> hey, what was the thingy in kde called from where you could browse directories like "start menu -> apps ->" ? and is there a similar thingy for gnome?
[11:08] <Tomcat_> gfxstyler: Yeah, it's good. :)
[11:08] <Fator_Dee> sorry, but I can't explain it properly :-\
[11:08] <geppy|away> farruinn: You should just need to run 'dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot' from the main dir
[11:08] <Fator_Dee> and directories as in from the hard drive
[11:08] <geppy|away> mcphail:  Not sure, I've never used QT before, so this would be a learning experience if I got off of the ground
[11:09] <geppy|away> Fator_Dee: Konqueror?
[11:09] <farruinn> geppy|away: I've already built the source once, I'm wondering if I can skip the build step... (I don't see why not)
[11:09] <error_29> Fator_Dee, I think you mean the kde "quick browser"
[11:09] <Fator_Dee> error_29: yes
[11:09] <Fator_Dee> thats it
[11:09] <geppy|away> farruinn: I don't know, try it. =)
[11:09] <error_29> I hate the current gnome menus.
[11:09] <farruinn> geppy|away: ok, that's all I needed :)
[11:09] <Fator_Dee> is there similar one for gnome?
[11:09] <geppy|away> =)
[11:09] <boxemall> anyone knows how to fix sound problem on warty?
[11:09] <Pakal> Is possible to use Expos on Ubuntu hoarty?
[11:10] <omirix> http://awib.ablenet.org:6928 - DJ Omirix broadcasting or Ablenet - THANKYOU
[11:10] <snoop_>  i did "ndiswrapper -l it said :    Installed ndis drivers:
[11:10] <gfxstyler> boxemall: what for sound problems?
[11:10] <snoop_> wlan.ini        hardware NOT present
[11:10] <Fator_Dee> I mean, thats the only thing I miss from kde
[11:10] <WillCooke> any mplayer / mencoder experts in?
[11:10] <dazed> i dunno how to even start to burn a cd
[11:10] <gfxstyler> snoop_: then its the wrong .ini file or your hardware is not supported
[11:10] <andreas> fator: Do you mean something like "Run"?
[11:10] <boxemall> gfxstyler: just installed (finished a few secs ago, so it's a fresh system) warty array 6
[11:11] <Fator_Dee> andreas: quick browser, like error_29 said
[11:11] <snoop_> gfxstyler: how about the autorun.inf ?
[11:11] <Xappe> dazed, install a decent cd burning app first. I use graveman on Hoary...
[11:11] <boxemall> gfxstyler: my soundcard (terratec dmx 6fire) does not work
[11:11] <mcphail> omirix: stop spamming the channels
[11:11] <andreas> Fator: Epipahny?
[11:11] <gfxstyler> snoop_: no thats a totally wrong file :)
[11:11] <dazed> im on warty...
[11:11] <dazed> do they have graveman?
[11:11] <error_29> Well, Fator_Dee, I installed kde just so i could use the kicker, which includes that quick browser, in gnome.  I never log into kde itself.  Wasting a lot os space like this, but it works
[11:11] <snoop_> gfxstyler: ok...dound it ...
[11:11] <snoop_> * found..
[11:12] <Xappe> dazed, hmm, search for it with synaptic
[11:12] <gfxstyler> snoop_: if "ndiswrapper -l" returns a "hardware present" , dont forget to do "ndiswrapper -m"
[11:12] <farruinn> geppy: it worked, thanks!
[11:12] <Fator_Dee> error_29: well, I don't want to waste my space so :-/
[11:12] <andreas> We really should have a hoary and a warty channel
[11:12] <dazed> graveman?
[11:13] <R0bNyc> anyone has gnomad2
[11:13] <R0bNyc> it doesnt work for me
[11:13] <error_29> there are some very cool little applets in kde though
[11:13] <geppy> farruinn: Glad to hear it! =)
[11:13] <dazed> Xappe: is it called graveman?
[11:13] <Xappe> yes
[11:13] <dazed> NO FIND
[11:13] <dazed> whoops
[11:13] <dazed> soprry
[11:13] <geppy> graveman is practically useless
[11:13] <geppy> pretty, though
[11:13] <Xappe> geppy, why useless?
[11:14] <dazed> geppy whats a good burning app
[11:14] <Xappe> I like it
[11:14] <andreas> dazed: k3b
[11:14] <geppy> Xappe:  It lacks the features of KDE that I need, like audio/video/dvd
[11:14] <geppy> dazed: K3B, like andreas said =)
[11:14] <Xappe> geppy, mine has mp3 and ogg --> audio cd support
[11:15] <Xappe> and I don't need to burn dvd:s
[11:15] <geppy> Xappe:  Well, I mostly only burn DVDs =)
[11:15] <gfxstyler> see you guys :)
[11:15] <andreas> Bye
[11:15] <socomm> I wonder what gfxstyler is doing.
[11:15] <dazed> well im just trying to burn some cds
[11:15] <dazed> no dvd burner yet
[11:15] <Xappe> geppy, hard to do that if don't have a dvd burner
[11:15] <socomm> dazed: cdrecord.
[11:15] <djp> i use cdrecord to do my burning
[11:16] <erik_> hello
[11:16] <andreas> Cut!
[11:16] <geppy> Xappe:  understood. =)
[11:16] <andreas> Now it`s my turn to ask
[11:16] <socomm> If I'm not mistaken cdrecord is also compatible with DVD burners.
[11:16] <andreas> Where do Is et the default splash screen in Hoary?
[11:16] <andreas> I set
[11:16] <Xappe> andreas, gnome splash?
[11:16] <andreas> yes
[11:17] <socomm> andreas: gconf
[11:17] <socomm> andreas: gconf-editor
[11:17] <Xbe> I'm trying to read files from a windows share
[11:17] <andreas> socom: So i save the damn thing somewhere and edit gconf?
[11:17] <JStrike> What provides xerces-c? It doesn't seem to be libxerces23. Is it libxerces23-dev?
[11:17] <Xbe> but it wont't work
[11:17] <Xbe> Gnome doesn't ask for a password
[11:17] <socomm> JStrike: libxerces-dev
[11:17] <Xbe> wat can i do?
[11:18] <socomm> Xbe: Pray.
[11:18] <Xbe> Come on! I'm new here :-)
[11:18] <socomm> andreas: Point gconf-editor to your splash screen.
[11:18] <Xbe> Surely somebody can help me
[11:18] <andreas> Xbe: Did you set one while installing?
[11:18] <andreas> socom: Will try.. Thanks!
[11:19] <socomm> andreas: Good luck.
[11:19] <Xbe> andreas: how do you mean?
[11:19] <snoop_> anyone, hardware problem too...i have a linksys wireless card in the computer and the devide manager picks it up, BUT it is not given a name line eth0 or anything....any ideas?
[11:19] <Xbe> I just need to connect to a win2000 server
[11:19] <Xappe> i've never installed linux on a ppc before. anything that I need to bare in mind?
[11:20] <farruinn> Xappe: what model?
[11:20] <Anubis> I was wonder why all the updates
[11:20] <Albacker> guys, I've just installed beatrix. a debian-like distro. but I cant get my modem working. I've configured the /etc/ppp/peers files and the /etc/ configs like wvdial.conf. but when i do wvdial ppp0. it sais that no dial phone, even thought I can connect to the internet using WinXP. any idea about this ?
[11:20] <Anubis> thne i thought
[11:20] <Xappe> farruinn, ibook g3
[11:20] <Anubis> has Gnome gone final?
[11:20] <Anubis> 2.10 right?
[11:20] <farruinn> Xappe: as long as it doesn't have airport extreme (which I don't think those came with) you should be golden
[11:21] <tizen> dammit... i just crashed OpenOffice by asking for help
[11:21] <tizen> lol
[11:21] <socomm> Albacker: You're in the wrong channel.
[11:21] <kent> Albacker, there is no irc channel for Beatrix? most of the time its better to ask the ones who has responsibel for it,
[11:21] <Xappe> farruinn, no airport at all I think. i've never used it, I can't stand osx 10.1.4 that's now installed and will be erased
[11:22] <Anubis> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/
[11:22] <Albacker> socomm, kent, I asked here because beatrix, and ubuntu are very similar with each other. anyway thank you.
[11:22] <Thanateremesis> hi
[11:22] <Thanateremesis> what are more new? hoary or warty ?
[11:22] <Xappe> farruinn, is it easy to revert to osx if I need to (the ibook is leased by my fathers company)
[11:22] <socomm> Albacker: Try #debian.
[11:22] <kent> Thanateremesis, Hoary  - but is the unstable branch. Soon to be stable..
[11:23] <geppy> I think that I should probably reboot.  After a week's worth of Hoary upgrades, my computer is starting to do funny things
[11:23] <Thanateremesis> ok...
[11:23] <Thanateremesis> and warty are "minimalment stable" ?
[11:23] <geppy> Like with the new volume manager, I'm getting two different kinds of icons for mounted CDs/DVDs
[11:23] <Thanateremesis> SID from debian are "very stable", runs all good,
[11:23] <Thanateremesis> the warty runs good ?
[11:23] <Thanateremesis> in equivalence..
[11:23] <tizen> Thanateremesis: I've been running hoary for the last week or so, only a couple minor bugs so far
[11:24] <kent> Thanateremesis, Is not SID the unstable branch of Debian?
[11:24] <tizen> similar to when i used Debian Unstable
[11:24] <dampjam> what bugs are in hoary?
[11:24] <dazed> hey all im trying to mount a windows folder to transfer some files and i get an error i never seen before
[11:24] <Xbe> dazed: same problem here
[11:24] <socomm> dampjam: bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org
[11:24] <dampjam> thanks
[11:24] <Thanateremesis> yes kent, SID are the unestable branch... and are good works...
[11:24] <Xbe> I keep getting a login failure
[11:25] <Thanateremesis> ok, hoary are a unstable "runs good" Im use..
[11:25] <farruinn> Xappe: as long as you have the install discs, yes, quite easy
[11:25] <Thanateremesis> is for use the XORG packages from the ubuntu
[11:25] <dampjam> thanateremesis: runs well
[11:25] <socomm> Thanateremesis: Not on warty.
[11:25] <Thanateremesis> oh
[11:25] <Thanateremesis> good
[11:25] <Thanateremesis> thx
[11:25] <Xappe> farruinn, just erase partitions and install?
[11:25] <dazed> 19214: tree connect failed: ERRDOS - ERRnosuchshare (You specified an invalid share name)
[11:26] <farruinn> Xappe: yup, if the 10.1 installer is anything like 10.2 it should be easy
[11:26] <socomm> Thanateremesis: Xorg was brought into after hoary.
[11:26] <snoop_> everybody: got a wireless card that is in the computer but is not being given a name(like eth0) but it is detected in the device manager... Any ideas ??
[11:26] <pestilence> has anyone installed vim-gtk in warty successfully?  i get broken dependencies.
[11:26] <dampjam> damn here is a bug, I go to buzilla.ubuntulinux.org, and when I press accept permanently firefox crashes
[11:26] <pestilence> vim-gtk: Depends: vim (= 1:6.3-025+1ubuntu2) but 1:6.3-025+1ubuntu2.2 is to be installed
[11:26] <Xbe> snoop_: type of portable?
[11:27] <error_29> folks, I'm doing a "smart upgrade" in synaptic, from warty to hoary, and I noticed that synaptic itself is marked for removal-- is there a different app in hoary that functions the same way?
[11:27] <snoop_> i got a linksys wireless card (wmp54g) Broadcom..
[11:27] <socomm> snoop_: What's the problem?
[11:28] <mcphail> pestilence: no such problems here
[11:28] <Xappe> farruinn, fair enough :) I'm sure my father will find ubuntu more easy to use than osx when i've managed to get it all set up (and that should not be a big problem, have used Hoary for over four months now)
[11:28] <socomm> I don't think wirless cards will be picked up as eth0 :^/
[11:28] <mdz> socomm: they are when there is a driver for them
[11:28] <mdz> unfortunately the broadcom doesn't fall into that category
[11:28] <pestilence> mcphail: i think i have screwed up my system by having hoary and warty repositories in my sources.list
[11:28] <mcphail> pestilence: sounds like it
[11:28] <mdz> snoop_: I think ndiswrapper is the only option for that device
[11:28] <Xbe> I need Nautilus to ask for windows share password. How can I force Nautilus to do this?
[11:28] <WillCooke> I thought wireless cards presented themselves as wnic0 instead of eth0
[11:28] <socomm> Interesting. I'll keep that in mind, if ever I buy a wireless card.
[11:29] <pestilence> but i have hoary pinned to 50, and i really don't think i have much of anything installed from it
[11:29] <snoop_> Xbe: it is in the computer and IS detected by the device manager, but it is not given a name and when i use ndiswrapper, it says hardware not detected...
[11:29] <windows-farhan> should i try to install it and install haury?
[11:29] <windows-farhan> hmm
[11:29] <snoop_> mdz: i was trying to use it when it says hardware not found..
[11:29] <windows-farhan> mdz the new haury has the speakup support right?
[11:29] <Xbe> snoop_: I had the same problem and it turned out to be a irq conflict
[11:30] <mdz> windows-farhan: no, not as such
[11:30] <snoop_> Xbe: irq??
[11:30] <WillCooke> snoop, how many ".inf" files are there included with the driver.  I had three with a linksys card, and only one of the worked, and it wasn't the one I thought it would be
[11:30] <socomm> Can't one use festival. :^/
[11:30] <windows-farhan> then why do i see the curnel in the package list? ...
[11:30] <windows-farhan> i see the speakup 2.4 currnel
[11:30] <gino4466> haury...curnel...
[11:30] <gino4466> :(
[11:30] <windows-farhan> so
[11:30] <Scognito> hi all
[11:30] <socomm> gino4466: It's hoary not "huary".
[11:31] <Scognito> where i can get mono repository for ubuntu?
[11:31] <gino4466> .....i know
[11:31] <windows-farhan> if i probly wanted to install it ith speakup its either linux speakupsynth=txprt or something
[11:31] <jk> hurray? :)
[11:31] <windows-farhan> or is it speakup speakup_synth=txprt
[11:31] <windows-farhan> i don'tno
[11:31] <gino4466> *points at windows-farhan* he started it
[11:31] <snoop_> WillCooke: I have tried to use the setup.ini , wlan.ini, and bcmwlf.inf.......none of them work...cause it says hardware not detected..
[11:31] <JStrike> Scognito : There are old versions in universe or multiverse
[11:32] <windows-farhan> it was in the universe
[11:32] <Scognito> why don't getsweaaa works anymore?
[11:32] <WillCooke> snoop, Hmm - looking at that list I would have expected it to be bcmwlf.inf
[11:32] <windows-farhan> i just wanted to install speakup
[11:32] <WillCooke> snoop, sorry, what card is it?
[11:32] <windows-farhan> with ubuntu
[11:32] <snoop_> wmp54g linksys card (broadcom)
[11:32] <JStrike> I would really love a daily build of mono and relevant apps for Ubuntu
[11:32] <JStrike> Would make life so much easier
[11:33] <windows-farhan> so i guss i'm wasty bandwith
[11:33] <windows-farhan> i guess i'm wastying bandwithlol
[11:33] <socomm> JStrike: Why don't you start said project?
[11:33] <Scognito> JStrike, cannot install muine anymore
[11:33] <WillCooke> snoop, can you do a "lspci" and tell me the number at the end that corresponds to your card (hex number in the format xxxx:xxxx)
[11:34] <JStrike> socomm : Dont know anything about debian or .debs
[11:34] <snoop_> here it is :0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp. 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX Host bridge (rev 03)
[11:34] <snoop_> 0000:00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX AGP bridge (rev 03)
[11:34] <snoop_> 0000:00:07.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ISA (rev 02)
[11:34] <snoop_> 0000:00:07.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 IDE (rev 01)
[11:34] <snoop_> 0000:00:07.2 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 USB (rev 01)
[11:34] <snoop_> 0000:00:07.3 Bridge: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ACPI (rev 02)
[11:34] <snoop_> 0000:00:0c.0 Multimedia audio controller: Yamaha Corporation YMF-724F [DS-1 Audio Controller]  (rev 03)
[11:34] <snoop_> 0000:00:0e.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 4000 AGP 8x]  (rev c1)
[11:34] <Scognito> ah ok removing getsweaaa it works
[11:34] <snoop_> 0000:00:0e.1 FireWire (IEEE 1394): nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 00b0 (rev c1)
[11:34] <snoop_> 0000:00:0f.0 Ethernet controller: Linksys NC100 Network Everywhere Fast Ethernet 10/100 (rev 11)
[11:34] <snoop_> 0000:00:10.0 Communication controller: Conexant HCF 56k Data/Fax/Voice/Spkp Modem (rev 08)
[11:34] <snoop_> 0000:00:11.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM94306 802.11g (rev 03)
[11:34] <snoop_> whoops : its that last one there..
[11:34] <socomm> JStrike: No better time then the present to learn.
[11:34] <gino4466> dear god help us all
[11:34] <windows-farhan> so yeh i tryed to downloaded that new thing with gnome thing that that guy put up
[11:35] <socomm> snoop_: Don't paste more than 4 lines.
[11:35] <WillCooke> sorry, 'lspci -n' - just show the one for your wireless card
[11:35] <JStrike> socomm : And building all the stuff takes quite a few hours on my pc, which wont really do
[11:35] <snoop_> socomm: sorry...wont happen again..
[11:35] <socomm> JStrike: You could have it build over night. :^/
[11:35] <WillCooke> snoop, sorry, 'lspci -n' - just show the one for your wireless card
[11:36] <JStrike> socomm : And uploading via 56k modem is also a problem :-)
[11:36] <gino4466> JStrike: i feel for you
[11:36] <socomm> JStrike: Excuses, excuses.
[11:36] <snoop_> willlcooke, 0000:00:11.0 Class 0280: 14e4:4320 (rev 03)
[11:37] <snoop_> i think thats it anyways...came up with a bunch of stuff..
[11:37] <gino4466> brb, you ossholes
[11:38] <tizen> You guys think gino's having sound problems?
[11:38] <tizen> lol
[11:38] <danny666> is there anybody who has nvu running on ubuntu
[11:38] <WillCooke> snoop, OK, well the good news is that it does work with ndiswrapper.  Are you using this driver > ftp://ftp.linksys.com/pub/network/WMP54GS_20040423.exe
[11:38] <knucks> anyone else have problems ripping a CD in k3b?
[11:38] <WillCooke> danny666, Yup
[11:39] <danny666> was there any problems installing it?
[11:39] <Xappe> danny666, yes
[11:39] <snoop_> willcooke, i was using the cd that came with it...
[11:39] <Xappe> danny666, but i've yet to use it :)
[11:39] <knucks> anyone?
[11:40] <danny666> i want to install it on my system to try if i can throw away dreamweaver
[11:40] <WillCooke> danny666, No, it works fine.
[11:40] <Xappe> danny666, there's an installation guide on the wiki I think
[11:40] <knucks> help me
[11:41] <WillCooke> snoop, OK, I think you *have* to use the one from that link.  I'm guessing that .exe is actually a zip.  Download and try and unzip it
[11:41] <mdke_laptop> quick question. I edited /etc/hdparm.conf yesterday and I used the template for a non-devfs system, as instructed by some people in the chan. This works fine if I restart hdparm after booting, but not at the boot stage, as it can't find the device (/dev/hdc). What should I do? I could 1) change the hdparm settings (I'm not sure how to do this) or 2) get the hdparm service to start later in the boot process. Any suggestions welcome!! thanks
[11:42] <danny666> is there a way somebody can do a prot for apt
[11:42] <danny666> sorry port
[11:42] <WillCooke> danny666, I think I downloaded the "linspire" one
[11:42] <kent> what program should i use to play .swf files in Ubuntu  (Hoary)?
[11:42] <mdke_laptop> kent, firefox should do it
[11:42] <WillCooke> kent, mplayer or the flash plugin for firefox
[11:43] <danny666> linspire?
[11:43] <snoop_> willcooke, it says exe file, want me to rename to zip and try and unzip?
[11:43] <geppy> run KDE =/
[11:43] <danny666> never heard of that
[11:43] <kent> WillCooke, are you sure mplayer should do it? I have mplayer and the w32codecs, but it wont play it :(
[11:43] <geppy> *runs
[11:43] <WillCooke> kent, Hmm, works for me.
[11:43] <geppy> danny666:  Linspire runs KDE
[11:43] <WillCooke> snoop, no need to rename, just try unzip <filename.exe>
[11:43] <geppy> WillCooke: I think it might need access to them at compile time
[11:43] <dstevens> hi all, im running a laptop sony pcg-z1rmp  uname-a "Linux ghost 2.6.10-4-386 #1 Wed Mar 2 06:11:58 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linu" Should i really be running a 686 kernel ? is there one with ubuntu.
[11:44] <WillCooke> geppy, Ahh, could be, I compiled from source.  (major P I T A)
[11:44] <geppy> WillCooke:  Yeah.
[11:44] <geppy> Does 2.6.11 work for anybody here?  I tried booting to it, but it hung when I got to my desktop.
[11:44] <WillCooke> danny666, http://cvs.nvu.com/download/nvu-0.81-pc-linux2.6.10-gnu.tar.bz2
[11:44] <snoop_> willcooke, alright, got it..
[11:44] <WillCooke> snoop, sweet, how many .inf files there?
[11:45] <kent> WillCooke, when i run mplayer from gnome terminal, it writes about xmms before it exits.  That seems very strange to me..  I started mplayer, not xmms, and why should mplayer use xmms, i have never heard of that before.. :(
[11:45] <knucks> come on guys. PLEASE. I havent been able to get it working
[11:45] <knucks> Im ripping a cd right now and its takin FOREVER
[11:45] <knucks> going at likr .04x
[11:45] <mako> hey folks.. anyone want to help me test the new shipit before the preview announcement tomorrow?
[11:45] <mcphail> dstevens: The 686 kernel is very good. Much better performance on my laptop.
[11:45] <geppy> knucks: Ripping a CD is pretty intensive.
[11:45] <Xappe> dstevens, you can use apt-get to get a -686 kernel
[11:45] <WillCooke> kent, Odd!
[11:45] <snoop_> willcooke, two inf files.
[11:45] <knucks> geppy: seriously?
[11:45] <WillCooke> snoop, ok, one called autorun.inf?
[11:46] <mako> if you create a new test account, tell me when you're done so i can delete it
[11:46] <geppy> knucks: Yes, seriously.
[11:46] <knucks> its never taken this long on winxp
[11:46] <knucks> not even CLOSE to this
[11:46] <geppy> knucks: What're you using?
[11:46] <Fator_Dee> knucks: and depends what kind of quality you are going to get
[11:46] <geppy> knucks:  Then use WinXP.
[11:46] <snoop_> willcooke, yup
[11:46] <knucks> i tried the one that came w/ ubuntu..
[11:46] <WillCooke> snoop, ok ignore that one
[11:46] <knucks> but that was slow
[11:46] <knucks> so itried k3b
[11:46] <knucks> and its still really slow..
[11:46] <geppy> knucks:  Give grip a shot.
[11:46] <snoop_> willcooke, ok
[11:46] <danny666> willCooke: thx
[11:46] <knucks> and its not in mp3 format
[11:46] <holy_cow> hey guys
[11:46] <knucks> grip?
[11:46] <Fator_Dee> grip is good
[11:46] <geppy> knucks:  Yes.
[11:46] <HcE> knucks: dma error or something? bad CD? copy-protected "CD"
[11:46] <kent> WillCooke, but it works in the epiphany browser. :)
[11:46] <geppy> knucks:  Perhaps you need to enable DMA on your drives.
[11:46] <holy_cow> i installed gnome cups manager ... would anyone know how to give a user access to it so they can add printers or delete print jobs?
[11:46] <Alinux> gip is the best.
[11:47] <dstevens> *, cheers will check apt out
[11:47] <holy_cow> root can manage print jobs fine, but when users are prompted for a root pass it doesn't accept it.  ideally no pass would be require
[11:47] <Alinux> grip I mean :D
[11:47] <holy_cow> d
[11:47] <knucks> How do i enable DMA?
[11:47] <geppy> Is it 'hdaparm -ld /dev/hdx' to enable DMA?
[11:47] <holy_cow> any ideas?
[11:47] <knucks> or check if it is or now
[11:47] <geppy> knucks:  run 'hdparm' on your cd-rom
[11:47] <WillCooke> snoop, Right, hold on........
[11:47] <HcE> knucks: hdparm -d <device>
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[11:47] <gilles> Why kernels in Ubuntu don't take into account high resolution and large screen ?
[11:48] <windows-farhan> question.
[11:48] <holy_cow> gilles, what does a kernel haveto do with monitor resolution?
[11:48] <windows-farhan> whats up with the ubuntu package list?
[11:48] <WillCooke> snoop, Right, the machine I was using with the wireless card is in bits at the moment, so all the following is from memory, correct commands as needed.....
[11:48] <windows-farhan> i see a screenreader in the haurry package list
[11:48] <snoop_> willcooke, ok thats cool..
[11:48] <geppy> windows-farhan: First:  Don't say "question"; thats _why_ people are here. Second:  Be specific.
[11:48] <knucks> what do i put for <device> ?
[11:49] <WillCooke> snoop, sudo ndis-wrapper -i <the other inf file.inf>
[11:49] <geppy> knucks:  /dev/hdx, where x is the device identifier.
[11:49] <WillCooke> snoop, brb
[11:49] <windows-farhan> i saw a speakup package in the universe package list its a kurrnel. ...
[11:49] <TomAraya> If I go from Warty to Hoary with that effect my NDISwrapper?
[11:49] <windows-farhan> a linux kurnel
[11:49] <knucks> how do i check?
[11:49] <knucks> I know that hdc is my hd..
[11:49] <geppy> knucks:  read /etc/fstab, and see what hdx is mapped to /media/cdrom
[11:49] <windows-farhan> and i was wondering if i could boot in to it
[11:49] <geppy> windows-farhan:  Install it, and boot into it.
[11:50] <WillCooke> tomaraya, shouldn't do
[11:50] <windows-farhan> no i ment at boot
[11:50] <WillCooke> snoop, ok back.  Did that work?
[11:50] <geppy> windows-farhan:  What?
[11:50] <knucks> dpoesnt wanna work..
[11:50] <windows-farhan> if i typed linux speakup_synth=keyword or speakup speakup_synth=keyword
[11:50] <geppy> windows-farhan:  When else would you boot into something?
[11:50] <TomAraya> WillCooke, when I upgraded my Kernel I had to reinstall NDISwrapper, I was wondering if Warty <-> Hoary would have same impact.
[11:50] <windows-farhan> in boot
[11:50] <windows-farhan> at the cd boot prompt
[11:50] <windows-farhan> i want to install with speech
[11:50] <TomAraya> Will I still be able to boot into Warty via grub?
[11:50] <geppy> windows-farhan:  Why not just download kernel-image-2.4.27-speakup and boot that?
[11:50] <windows-farhan> and i see the kurnel ..
[11:50] <knucks> geppy what do i type in terminal to find it out?
[11:50] <geppy> windows-farhan:  First off, it's
[11:51] <windows-farhan> but is it in the cd by defalt?
[11:51] <dstevens> aptgetting linux-image-2.6.10-4-686 reboot back soon X
[11:51] <windows-farhan> or no
[11:51] <snoop_> it said its already installed (from the other set that i used i guess)..
[11:51] <WillCooke> tomaraya, If you use *stock* kernel's all the goodies should already be there.
[11:51] <geppy> windows-farhan:  "kernel";  please don't deliberately mispell things;  it's confusing, and annoying as hell
[11:51] <windows-farhan> is it in the cd?
[11:51] <windows-farhan> sorry
[11:51] <WillCooke> tomaraya, But I don't know for certain
[11:51] <geppy> knucks:  gedit /etc/fstab
[11:51] <geppy> knucks: you can read which line has /media/cdrom on it
[11:51] <windows-farhan> but is the speaup 2.4 in the cd by default
[11:51] <windows-farhan> speakup
[11:51] <WillCooke> snoop, still with us?
[11:51] <windows-farhan> i need that to install ubuntu
[11:51] <knucks> ok
[11:51] <snoop_> yup
[11:51] <windows-farhan> thats why i was wondering
[11:52] <TomAraya> WillCooke, well, I'll check it out.
[11:52] <knucks> ok its hdd
[11:52] <WillCooke> snoop, sorry missed your comment.
[11:52] <knucks> now what
[11:52] <snoop_> willcooke, said its already installed (from the other batch i used i guess)
[11:52] <geppy> knucks:  alright, run this: 'sudo hdparm -d /dev/hdd'
[11:52] <windows-farhan> cause i don't want to waste  cd
[11:52] <TomAraya> WillCooke, I'm mainly upgrading just because my Gaim isn't changing my name and I can't get Mplayer to work.
[11:52] <snoop_> willcooke, no prob
[11:52] <knucks> its off
[11:52] <WillCooke> snoop, is the ndis-wrapper module loaded?
[11:52] <geppy> TomAraya:  Try running '/name newname'?
[11:52] <knucks> =0 (0ff)
[11:52] <knucks> = 0
[11:52] <snoop_> willcooke, yea i installed it...
[11:53] <WillCooke> snoop, if so, sudo rmmod ndis-wrapper (is it with a '-'?)
[11:53] <snoop_> willcooke, no i dont think there is a '-'
[11:53] <geppy> knucks: sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdd
[11:53] <WillCooke> snoop, ok sorry
[11:53] <TomAraya> geppy, it reflects on my end but others don't see it.
[11:53] <WillCooke> snoop, sudo ndiswrapper -l
[11:53] <windows-farhan> geppy is the speakup 2.4 included on the wordy or haury cds? so i can boot in to it in the install?
[11:53] <geppy> TomAraya: Are you talking about IRC, or something else?
[11:53] <WillCooke> snoop, what's it say?
[11:53] <TomAraya> geppy, Gaim.
[11:53] <gilles> holy_cow: the kernel runs the system, isn't it ? But during the running process it displays a lot of informations in a resolution that is not adapted to large screen that can also accept a better resolution
[11:53] <knucks> geppy: thansk
[11:53] <knucks> so should i try grip?
[11:53] <geppy> TomAraya:  If you're aliasing yourself, only you will see it;  if you're typing '/name whatever', it should be universal
[11:53] <knucks> can i get it on synaptic?
[11:54] <TomAraya2> geppy, I've always used /nick in IRC.
[11:54] <geppy> TomAraya2: Alright, cool
[11:54] <holy_cow> gilles, close but no banana, xserver runs the display
[11:54] <windows-farhan> should i burn this or not
[11:54] <windows-farhan> ..hmm
[11:54] <geppy> windows-farhan:  No.
[11:54] <holy_cow> gilles, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 or reconfigure your x11 config file in /etc/X11
[11:54] <windows-farhan> so your saying not one of the ubuntu isos has speakup built in to it...
[11:54] <drspin> why do I only get sound from one channel??
[11:54] <geppy> windows-farhan: Yes, that's what I said.
[11:54] <drspin> only the left side works
[11:54] <kent> Has any one reported a bug against Hoary about files downloaded to Desktop is not shown directly? They only show up if i open Desktop as a folder from the Places menu and hit refresh from the menu :(
[11:55] <windows-farhan> hmmm
[11:55] <snoop_> tried to remove and it gave me some messg, i tried ndiswrapper -l ,and it gave this: bcmwl5  hardware NOT present
[11:55] <snoop_> setup.ini       hardware NOT present
[11:55] <WillCooke> soh - I've been trying to work out why this other machine won't boot from CD for about 5 mins now, it turns out I'd forgotten to bu the cd in.  Ooops
[11:55] <windows-farhan> i wonder why its in the package list then...
[11:55] <snoop_>  lan.ini  hardware NOT present
[11:55] <snoop_> woops..
[11:55] <geppy> windows-farhan:  Why not just install Hoary, and then install the speakup package?
[11:55] <drspin> kent: I believe this is fixed in Hoary
[11:55] <knucks> geppy: its going at .2 now
[11:55] <geppy> windows-farhan:  'tisn't exactly difficult
[11:55] <windows-farhan> i can't install haory with out speakup
[11:55] <windows-farhan> haury
[11:55] <windows-farhan> i'm blind here...
[11:55] <geppy> knucks: make sure that you aren't running all kinds of other stuff
[11:55] <windows-farhan> thats why i asked in the first place. lol
[11:55] <Alinux> Hi people, ATI Mobility Radeon X600 - is it works with new Ubuntu Hoary? Thank you for answer.
[11:55] <knucks> k..
[11:55] <|M0rph|> hello! i'm having troube installing the grub boot loader using the woary live cd, i need help ..
[11:55] <WillCooke> snoop, OK.  (do me a favour, if you're talking to me put "WillCooke, " at the start, then I can see your comments easily
[11:55] <windows-farhan> i got a debian enabled iso  speakup thing...
[11:55] <windows-farhan> and it talks...
[11:56] <Xappe> kent, oh it's a bug? i thought it was a way to piss off osx users once and for all :)
[11:56] <geppy> windows-farhan:  Understood;   I hadn't thought of not being able to install.
[11:56] <snoop_> willcooke, alright
[11:56] <windows-farhan> and i was wondering about that whole package list universe thing...
[11:56] <windows-farhan> so  yeh
[11:56] <WillCooke> snoop, sudo ndiswrapper -e lan.ini
[11:56] <Alinux> Hi people, ATI Mobility Radeon X600 - is it works with new Ubuntu Hoary? Thank you for answer.
[11:56] <Alinux> sorry fo repeating.
[11:56] <windows-farhan> it wouldn't be hard to include it in speakup though its just patches...
[11:56] <geppy> windows-farhan:  it's possible to build your own CD, but it's kind of a pain in the ass
[11:56] <gilles> holy_cow: I use xorg with hoary... the resolution has no problem once the desktop in ran, but from the start to the desktop, the system loading process has a bad resolution
[11:56] <geppy> windows-farhan: As far as I know, speakup is for 2.4;  Ubuntu uses 2.6
[11:56] <windows-farhan> its in  the package list though...
[11:57] <TomAraya> How do I go about installing Hoary from Warty, just go to the website and download an ISO?
[11:57] <snoop_> willcooke, says lan.ini is not installed...
[11:57] <windows-farhan> i don't get it i mean you could have a choice. right?
[11:57] <holy_cow> gilles, that has nothing to do with the kernel
[11:57] <geppy> windows-farhan: Right, but it's for 2.4
[11:57] <windows-farhan> hmm
[11:57] <snoop_> willcooke, the other one?
[11:57] <geppy> windows-farhan:  I'm confused.
[11:57] <windows-farhan> debian gave me a choice
[11:57] <windows-farhan> wait
[11:57] <geppy> windows-farhan: Perhaps you could have someone help you to install it?
[11:57] <schasi> TomAraya: You only have to change the sources.list
[11:57] <holy_cow> gilles, i forget where the settings for that are, but its got to do with framebuffer ... you can adjust that
[11:57] <windows-farhan> man i booted in to debian  install with speakup 2.4.  i had 3 ones...
[11:57] <holy_cow> i hope that gives you enough to google
[11:57] <geppy> windows-farhan:  After finishing the install, it'd be simple enough to install speakup
[11:57] <WillCooke> snoop, yeah, basically "sudo -e <whatever> until there's none loaded ( you can check by sudo ndiswrapper -l)
[11:57] <LTk> my ubuntu wobn't start up
[11:57] <windows-farhan> 3 of them. .6 2.4 speakup and 2.4 regular
[11:57] <LTk> when I log in
[11:57] <snoop_> willcooke, will do
[11:58] <LTk> the screen stays the caramel colour
[11:58] <dazed> k3b says unable to decode audio tracks
[11:58] <windows-farhan> maybe i should just stick to debian but i would really like that nice xautoconfig
[11:58] <windows-farhan> x autoconfig
[11:58] <knucks> still really slow
[11:58] <andreas> Can anyone please help me with gconf-editor?
[11:58] <|M0rph|> my grub boot loader stopped working after i created a new partition in windows. i've removed it and i'm trying to install it from ubuntu live cd ...
[11:58] <knucks> .3x
[11:58] <schasi> TomAraya: Did you search the web for ist?
[11:58] <snoop_> willcooke, aalright done..
[11:59] <TomAraya> schasi, 'ist'?
[11:59] <schasi> TomAraya: it
[11:59] <windows-farhan> i tryed to download that gnome enabled speaking live cd but the torrent or trakcer is broken...
[11:59] <schasi> ;-)
[11:59] <LTk> my ubuntu wont work. I have used it for a week, but all of the sudden it doesnt log in. I type in user and password then it stays on the sign on screen (caramel colour default) and doesn't load, what an I do?
[11:59] <windows-farhan> tracker
[11:59] <schasi> LTk: Try to log in via konsole
[11:59] <schasi> And look for errormessages
[11:59] <TomAraya> Schasi: I was doing a search at ubuntuforums.org for 'hoary upgrade' and couldn't find anything. I'll keep looking to find out.
[11:59] <LTk> schasi, how do i do that
[11:59] <andreas> LTK: LiveCD
[11:59] <schasi> press alt, ctrl and F1 at the same time
[12:00] <LTk> schasi, there are no error messagses
[12:00] <LTk> aight