pittinight everybody12:04
dholbachgood night pitti 12:05
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sabdflnight all12:12
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jon1012good night everybody :)12:14
dholbachi'm off too12:15
dholbachgood night12:15
dokomithrandir: ping?12:19
KamionHiddenWolf: shrug, I test i386 images on my amd64 at least half the time ;)12:26
Kamionthey're quicker to burn than the amd64 images, and the amd64 is quicker at testing them ...12:27
zenwhenwhats the name of the default theme used for KDE in Hoary?12:27
Riddellzenwhen: plastik style, crystal icons12:28
zenwhenI assume it is the one I see k3b using.12:28
Riddellzenwhen: if it's horrible then that's keramik from kde 3.312:28
zenwhenit doesnt look half bad for a kde theme12:28
Riddellmust be plastik then12:28
HiddenWolfkamion: what i ment was; intel will get those x64 celerons out, and after that, i'll be watching to see how long it takes for 64bit to mature12:30
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zenwhenI am buying Intel's first dual core chip.12:32
HiddenWolfI want to see that amd64 4200 with sse3 et all. :)12:32
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HiddenWolfbtw, media is saying dual core won't be good on the desktop for the forseeable future, how is that under linux? it seems better suited to it.12:33
shayahas anyone ever ever configure a linux fiber san?12:35
HiddenWolfAnyone here?12:42
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mdzKamion: why quicker?  the i386 and amd64 ISOs are very nearly the same size12:42
HiddenWolfmdz, can you check something for me?12:43
seb128mdz: are we rolling the preview iso now ? 12:43
seb128mdz: or these are pre-preview isos ?12:43
mdzseb128: pre-preview12:43
mdzseb128: why, is there something you would like to upload?12:43
HiddenWolfseb128/mdz: if you guys select the applications menu, does the text turn white? does the same happen for places/system?12:44
seb128grab and include some "System" translations for the menu12:44
mdzHiddenWolf: we're preparing for the preview release and quite busy at the moment; please try to restrict conversation to development topics, and take other subjects to #ubuntu12:44
seb128and change the warty about to hoary12:44
HiddenWolfmdz: I want to know if it's a bug or something, sorry12:44
seb128ie: a gnome-panel upload12:44
mdzseb128: ok, but the translations will require new langpacks12:44
seb128these are details, so that's as you want12:45
mdzit would be good to have the translations in the archive so that they will go into the next set of langpacks12:45
Kamionmdz: *shrug* if I can save 20MB, I see no reason not to do so12:46
seb128is that ok tu upload now ? or is there a freeze to get the same content for differents images ?12:46
elmoKamion/mdz: you guys need anything from me for preview of doom before I run away?12:47
mdzelmo: not unless Kamion needs to do another d-i upload12:47
Kamionnot as far as I know12:48
mdzseb128: that's fine12:48
seb128k, I'll upload in ~30min so12:48
Kamionand in the event of an emergency I can probably guess at what needs to be done / bug thom12:48
lamontmdz: fyi - off to fire training in about 40 minutes, gone until probably 2230 local12:49
elmoKamion: not sure thom's anymore awake than me, but mdz has supah-fly katie powahs atm12:49
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mdzget 'em while they last12:50
Kamionelmo: oh of course, thom's in the DC too, oh well12:50
elmoKamion: ha ha.  no he's not, but he muttered about going to bed early when he left12:50
KamionI can probably make a good guess at what d-i byhand processing requires, but I have no intention of trying right now :-)12:50
elmo</bitter ;>12:50
elmoI put my cheet sheeti n ~james/ on jackass I think12:51
Kamionelmo: speaking of, if I hacked up katie to do that automatically for raw-installer, would you take that patch?12:51
ajmitchelmo: sync for universe still? I've just uploaded gnue-common, gnue-forms, gnue-appserver to sid12:51
elmoKamion: if it was sane, sure12:51
ograajmitch: we havent defined a real freeze for universe yet12:51
ajmitchogra: I know, it's on the agenda for next weeks meeting, iirc12:52
Kamionsince that was kind of the point of the raw-installer change ;)12:52
ograajmitch: since there is a lot to do it will probably require newer versions more often....so i would call it a "soft freeze"12:52
Kamiongar, it would be nice if dak CVS were actually sanely usable by non-committers though12:53
ajmitchogra: quite a slushy freeze then?12:53
elmoKamion: how do you mean?12:53
elmothere's a package in the archive now :P12:53
elmowell not our archive, but stil12:53
Kamioncvs server: failed to create lock directory for `/cvs/dak/dak' (/cvs/dak/dak/#cvs.lock): Permission denied12:53
lamonthrm.. we used to call those 'chill's.12:54
elmoKamion: as you or anoncvs?12:54
elmoif you, surely that's a problem for everything you don't have write privs to?12:54
Kamionelmo: hm, as me; is anoncvs liable to work better?12:54
ograajmitch: lets call it a freeze, behave like in a freeze, but keep in mind that we wont be able to really freeze, since i suspect we will fix things until the last day12:54
ajmitchogra: alright12:54
ograajmitch: simply to many packages12:55
elmoKamion: anoncvs definitely works12:55
Kamionelmo: ah, ok, I'm just being special then, thanks12:56
Kamionyeah, that works12:56
lamontogra/ajmitch: speaking of universe... I occassionally give everything back in universe, just to see what else falls out...12:56
dholbachlamont: i dont understand12:56
ajmitchlamont: where do you keep the lists of unbuildables? and is there a list of uninstallables somewhere?12:56
ajmitchdholbach: push unbuilt packages back to the buildds12:57
ograajmitch: Kamion will assemble one if i understood it right12:57
dholbachoh yes, good12:57
ajmitchanother MOTUTodo list :)12:57
ograajmitch: so lets be patient ;)12:57
Kamioner, well that's the plan, it's in the ever-growing pile I affectionately call my to-do list12:57
lamonthttp://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/List/hoary.all.i386 (etc)12:57
lamontif it's marked Building, and someone didn't upload it recently, then it's really 'Failed'....12:58
Kamionuse apt-cache unmet or something like that in the meantime12:58
lamontthose are the ones I give back12:58
ograKamion: thats why i said patient :)12:58
lamontlikewise, http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/List/hoary.building.i38612:58
Kamionalthough apt-cache unmet bitches about all kinds of stuff nobody cares about, like unsatisfied Suggests12:58
ograwe have enough to do to fill the time :)12:58
lamontis shorter. :-)12:58
ajmitchlamont: thanks12:58
lamonter, s/List/Lists/12:59
ogralamont: what means "not ours" in a failed list ?01:00
Kamionmdz: cron.daily done01:01
dholbachnow really *wave*01:04
ogranight dholbach01:04
ajmitchnight dholbach 01:04
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lamontogra: architecture not specified in arch list01:06
lamontbut not in PaS01:06
ograPaS ?01:06
lamontif a package is in PaS, then it won't even be in the list.01:07
lamontoh, and arch-all packags are only in the listings when they haven't been built - they're only built on i38601:07
ograyup, thats oune i figuread already :)01:09
ogralamont, thanks :)01:09
zenwhenk3b realy slowed down a lot01:13
zenwhenmy dvd burner wont burn over 2.4x now01:13
zenwheneven though its an 8x burner01:13
Kamionmdz: what time will preview be?01:15
jdubKamion: some time after 10am UTC, at least :)01:16
Kamionwhat's at 10am UTC?01:17
jdubgnome 2.1001:17
Kamionheh, ok :)01:17
Kamionlast time round was 4pm UTC IIRC, but I might not RC01:18
jdubyeah, it was01:18
jdubwe should aim for earlier though01:18
jdubthat kinda sucked for europe01:18
Kamionfull set of CD builds takes around an hour nowadays01:19
Kamionneed to take that into account01:19
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Kamionjdub: if most stuff is done, we should probably freeze for all but emergency stuff and new GNOME tarballs now so that people can test the pre-preview candidate01:25
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jdubKamion: yeah; i have an ubuntu-artwork to go in01:32
jdubother than that, i can't think of anything important01:32
jdub(that isn't dangerous)01:32
Kamionubuntu-artwork is always last :P01:35
jdubseb128: dude01:40
jdubseb128: thanks :-)01:40
mdzKamion: 10am UTC works for me01:40
jdubseb128: and have a very good sleep :-)01:40
lamontseb128: good long hard work.01:40
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seb128jdub: Thanks :)01:40
Kamionmdz: we will need to check tomorrow morning that we are still up-to-date with GNOME, and if not then wait for jdub/seb128's go-ahead01:40
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lamontmust apply pressure to the phone company.01:41
ograseb128: night, great work :)01:41
jdubKamion: unless there's anything critical, i don't think it's worth updating gnome stuff in general01:41
HrdwrBoBlamont: burn fown your exchange01:41
lamontHrdwrBoB: no. that'd be bad01:41
Kamionin that event it'll be whenever-uploads-are-ready + one hour for builds + time for testing01:41
lamontbesides, it's 10 miles away01:41
HrdwrBoB10 miles and you want DSL?01:41
seb128mdz: panel need to some other hacks for the translations, I'll do that after the preview01:41
jdubKamion: but i can track gnome stuff up to the minute of release, and do uploads if absolutely necessary01:41
Kamionjdub: ok01:41
lamontHrdwrBoB: the RT is only 3 miles away01:41
HrdwrBoBah ok01:42
seb128jdub: we want all the modules uptodate ?01:42
lamontand then fiber back to the CO01:42
Kamionmdz: if there are no new GNOME uploads, are our current live CDs sufficiently final?01:42
jdubseb128: i'm find with what we have; will only upload if there's something super critical (unlikely)01:42
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lamontwell, 4.501:42
mdzKamion: I have a full set here and am starting a test cycle01:42
Kamionmdz: likewise (well, of install anyway, will have to catch up with the live-amd64 rootfs regen)01:43
seb128jdub: k, because there is a gdm to, but with some conflict and changes, I prefer to upload it after preview01:43
mdzI have install CDs, too; I'll do powerpc and amd64 after testing the live CDs01:44
mdzI can't clobber my i386  at the moment01:44
Kamionwe still have that ugly scrollkeeper error at the end of the install; can we fix that?01:48
Kamionit's a wart01:48
jduband we're not warty anymore :)01:49
jdubwhat do you think the duplicate to damage ratio is?01:49
Kamionduplicate to damage?01:50
jdubduplicate bugs of that error vs. potential damage of fix01:50
Kamionit's a bad-first-impression thing; on slow machines that error message will hang around there for some time01:51
Kamionpotential damage seems low to me, but I'm no expert01:51
jdubi'll find out now01:51
Kamionother than that, install-i386 seems fine01:52
jbaileyKamion: Got a fresh instal handy? =)01:54
Kamionaha, yes01:54
Kamionno RESUME=01:54
Kamionany debugging I can do?01:54
jbaileyI need to know what /proc/swaps looks like at install time, and whether that exact same device exists in /dev01:55
jbaileymdz thought that it should be LSB naming in /proc/swaps, and the the lsb device should exist, just as a symlink.01:55
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Kamionok, will check for you01:56
KamionLSB naming?01:56
jbaileySo I weakened the test for the /dev file from wanting a block device to wanting any file.  Thought that should've done it.01:56
jbaileyKamion: /dev/hda, or whatever.01:56
mdzKamion: all 3 live CDs are releasable01:56
Kamionhmm, /dev might not be bind-mounted into /target01:56
mdzthe login sound doesn't play, due to the known polypaudio breakage01:56
mdzand I noticed one odd thing01:57
mdzthat the default sound effect for the terminal bell was different on powerpc than on i38601:57
mdzon i386 it was the "clack" and on powerpc the "bloomp"01:57
jdubload-sample x11-bell /usr/share/sounds/generic.wav01:58
jdub^ default.pa01:59
jdubmdz: you chose not to revert to esound for preview?01:59
mdzjdub: right, it was too last-minute01:59
mdzwe'll talk on friday about what to do for final02:00
zenwhenso preview is tonight?02:00
Kamionzenwhen: what timezone are you in?02:00
mdzzenwhen: preview is on the day it was scheduled 6 months ago02:00
jdubi'd lean towards the last minute reversion instead of the preview bugs, though02:00
Kamionzenwhen: sometime early morning your time, then02:00
zenwhenoh cool02:00
zenwhenIf I could, I would update.02:00
schweebjust in time for an early morning reinstall02:01
mdzjdub: I would lean toward not having rushed into this particular burning building in the first place02:01
zenwhenBut I will do so after preview.02:01
schweebshould fill up the work day nicely02:01
jdubmdz: it had to be tested02:01
Kamionjbailey: /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part5 partition       497972  0       -102:01
zenwhenThe only bug I noticed is that k3b now hates my Lite-On ldw-811s02:02
jdubmdz: if you're that unhappy with it, pull it out now; that's been my recommendation02:02
Kamionjbailey: definitely not LSB naming in /proc/swaps, and that device probably won't exist in /target02:02
mdzjdub: not if upstream had already bugged out on us02:02
Kamionjbailey: a hard one, I'm afraid02:02
Kamionjbailey: I think it'll have to be kludged in base-installer02:02
mdzjdub: there is no way I am doing that hours before preview02:02
jbaileyKamion: Ugh.  Thanks for checking.02:03
Kamionjbailey: note that base-installer already does some mkinitrd.conf munging02:03
Kamionjbailey: I don't know the exact semantics of what it's doing, though02:04
jbaileyKamion: Ah?  I hadn't realised.  So it's not that ugly then.02:04
Kamionbut it looks like it could be slotted in there somehow02:04
jdubmdz: right, i'm not really suggesting that, just expressing surprise.02:04
Kamionjbailey: but probably post-preview now, given that we'll need time to test it :( Sorry I didn't get round to checking this out earlier02:04
Kamionhm, that sucks, lots of people will install preview then upgrade02:05
mdzjdub: it doesn't seem like a disaster functionality-wise; the reason that I'm leaning toward reverting it for final is that we have no upstream support02:05
KamionI could test by hacking base-installer on the fly ...02:05
schweebmdz: I noticed in some recent mailing list posts that you were sort of interested in Xen for ubuntu... anyone else express interest in it?  I've been looking at it recently, and am willing to help, but am not sure I can devote a ton of time on it (plus, I need to gain a little experience too)02:05
jbaileyKamion: Is `mapdevfs` the tool for doing the conversion?02:05
mdzschweeb: yes, others have expressed interest, and with the same disclaimer02:06
Kamionjbailey: yep.02:06
Kamionjbailey: base-installer already depends on it02:06
jbaileyKamion: What's the best way to get the fix in without causing a race condition with you?02:06
jbailey(and with suitable timing and such)02:06
jdubmdz: yes, that's what i've said, in addition to certain regressions for stuff we use.02:06
schweebmdz: heh, alright... regular users can create wiki pages, right?  possibly I'll post some results to a wiki page so at least interested people have a reference02:07
Kamionbase-installer isn't in the d-i initrd, so it's just an upload; but we should both read over the diff02:07
mdzschweeb: yes02:07
mdzI'm surprised there isn't already a page (if indeed there isn't)02:07
schweebthere isn't that I could find02:07
schweebjust a few mentions of how it's a possible target of opportunity02:08
schweebhaven't been able to get it booting on ubuntu yet, but I'm guesing that's a possible udev issue or something... worked essentially oob w/ sarge02:09
jbaileyKamion: Do you know off hand if awk and wc are available at that point?02:09
jbaileyMm, and sort and head.02:09
Kamionjbailey: no awk02:09
jbaileyI know that they're not available in a busybox environment.02:09
Kamionthis is a busybox environment02:10
Kamionyou have wc, sort, head02:10
jbaileyIt's not gnu sort, so my "sort by the third column to find the biggest swap" won't work. =)02:10
Kamionyou could do:02:11
Kamionwhile read file a size b c; do if [ "$size" -ge "$maxsize" ] ; then maxsize="$size"; maxfile="$file"; fi; done02:12
Kamionor words to that effect02:12
jordifabbione: ping02:12
Kamionobviously with initialisation and stuff02:12
mdzthis sucks02:13
mdzI just realized that update-manager won't add/remove packages02:14
mdzso people upgrading from preview will need to use synaptic to get seed changes02:14
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jbaileyKamion: Oh, is read posix?  Nice.02:14
mdzoh, even better02:15
Kamionyou don't have all of bash's read options I don't think, but you rarely need them02:15
jdubmdz: if we assume that most update-manager users will not be on devel branch, should we switch it to dist-ugprade?02:15
mdke_laptopdoes anyone know if the wiki's can have multiple parents? sorry to disturb02:15
Kamionlocale generation fell over02:16
mdzjdub: until Hoary is released, every single update-manager user is on the development branch02:16
mdzmdke_laptop: no, they can't02:16
Kamionfuck, it tried to generate "en_GB.UTF-8en_US.UTF-8"02:16
mdke_laptopmdz, thanks02:16
jdubmdz: that's correct, but not useful :)02:17
Kamionand I seem to have old language packs on this CD02:17
mdzjdub: it is, in the same way as it's useful to change the dpkg force-overwrite flag before release02:17
jdubmdz: we're not going to be making dramatic seed or dependency changes02:17
mdzjdub: well, we're most likely going to polypaudio->esound02:17
schweebmdz: hrm, interesting... there's no mention of xen that the search engine can find either... guess I'll make a wiki page02:17
mdzwhich is a seed and dependency change02:18
mdzand we made such changes the last time around too02:18
jdubmdz: and we know exactly what the effect of that is, it's not unmeasurable or dramatic02:18
mdzjdub: and it isn't handled by update-manager. that was my point.02:18
jdubalso mine02:18
jdubgiven that we know dist-upgrade won't be dangerous for most update-manager users02:18
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jdubshould it use dist-upgrade?02:19
mdke_laptopmdz, is it a conscious choice not to allow wikis to have multiple parents, or just a limitation with the software?02:19
Kamionmdz: ok, I will work around this in base-config rather than requiring a localechooser change (which => d-i initrd rbeuild)02:19
mdzmdke_laptop: I don't know02:19
\shhola ogra02:19
jdubthat does mean it will be slightly scarier if the users hugs the devel branch02:19
ograwhoo \sh02:19
mdzno hugging is required02:19
mdzthis means that upgrades from preview->final can't be done with update-manager02:19
jdubbut in the common case, not too bad02:19
ogranice to see you here \sh 02:20
mdzwhich is a shame02:20
mdke_laptophi ogra02:20
jdubcurrently, yes it does mean that02:20
\shogra: hehe...wanna see how you prepare your releases :)02:20
jdubhowever, i am asking if we should switch update-manager to use dist-upgrade02:20
ogra\sh, you old gentoo spy ;)02:20
mdzI haven't read the code02:20
mdzI don't know how update-manager works yet02:20
Kamionoh, crap, no, I have to change localechooser; /etc/locale.gen is broken02:21
\shogra: hehe...02:21
jdubperhaps i've confused you by mentioning the drawbacks while introducing this idea02:21
mdzI shouldn't be reading this02:21
Burgundaviajdub: are we going to offer the users a choice to upgrade?02:21
jdubBurgundavia: ?02:21
jdubthere is always a choice02:22
jdubyou have to very explicitly choose to upgrade02:22
BurgundaviaI will just shutup now02:22
BurgundaviaI should never jump into the middle of conversation while reading the beginning02:22
\shchoice? i thought this was the gentoo way ;)02:23
ogra\sh, i thought it was compiling in lonely nights02:23
\shogra: i'm not lonely ;)02:24
Burgundaviamy hero, Johnny from Sun said that Linux was about vendor lock-in ;)02:25
mdzjdub: yes, I do think we should switch it over to dist-upgrade, but not for preview02:25
mdke_laptopogra, its nice to have a compile going on those rainy days...02:25
ogramdke_laptop: at least you got rain.....we got snow02:25
\shogra: we got rain as wenn in kerpen ;)02:26
mdke_laptopogra, its always raining in the uk02:26
\shas well02:26
Kamionmdz: well, that allows upgrading preview->final in two steps. :-) first one upgrades update-manager ...02:26
mdzjdub: is there any mechanism to shut down polypaudio at all, or do we need to recommend a reboot/killall after the switch to esound?02:26
ogra\sh, i absoltely dont miss this place ;) (even i have to come around next week)02:27
mdzKamion: right, so, how about some sleep between now and byhanding d-i?02:27
mdzKamion: I don't think I'm really up for that right now02:28
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jdubmdz: polypaudio -k02:28
\shogra: but I'm missing the meetings and the discussions about linux in the cantine with u :)02:28
mdzjdub: I meant automatically02:28
ogra\sh, we can have them here ;)02:28
mdzjdub: but that's one of the bugs, isn't it. it doesn't get killed?02:28
Kamionmdz: it's going to be RSN02:28
mdzKamion: what is?02:28
jdubmdz: oh, at logout? no, it should die02:28
Kamionmdz: d-i build02:29
Kamionmdz: well, depends how much sleep you need :)02:29
mdzKamion: oh, are you going to byhand it onto little or something?02:29
mdzyou have a magic knob in the CD build to pull it from a directory outside of the archive?02:30
Kamionno ...02:30
mdzdon't keep me in suspense02:30
Kamionjust uploading now02:30
mdzlocalechooser is in the initrd, yes?02:30
Kamionok, if you need sleep before the half an hour or whatever it is, go for it02:30
Kamionyes, sadly02:30
mdzso this change requires that somebody byhand d-i02:30
mdzyou said that you didn't want to do it02:31
Kamionok, let's leave it until after you've slept02:31
mdzI'm significantly less confident about it02:31
mdzI'm happy for elmo to do it in the morning, and release in the afternoon02:31
mdzthough I'm not sure what time elmo's morning will be, given that he just flew in02:32
Kamionsorry 'bout the breakage, I'd hoped not to have to do this02:32
mdznot a big deal02:32
mdzwe've been ahead of schedule this time around02:33
\shogra: have to leave now..need to help thomas...cu here in kerpen...btw...branislav has his farewell drink 1) thursday, 5:30pm bowling center and 2) next week tuesday in cologne...02:33
mdzthis is the day BEFORE it's due :-)02:33
Kamionok, time for coffee02:33
mdzif we're going to leave it overnight02:33
ogra\sh, i'll be there on thursday02:33
mdzjdub has nearly convinced me to throw caution to the wind and revert to esound02:33
Clintmdz: the baz completion function expression to grab the baz version is broken; which number from the baz --version output is safe to count on?02:33
ogra\sh, i'll have to do that as well i think02:33
\shogra: after this, i have to leave to bonn for a luusa meeting :) u can join for a beer as well there ;) 02:34
mdzClint: which number?02:34
ogra\sh, yeah lets see ... :)02:34
Clintmdz: 1.1.1 or 1.2 is repeated a few times02:35
\shok cu bro :)02:35
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mdzClint: the current version is 1.202:35
mdzClint: I'm not sure how to answer your question more accurately than that02:35
Clintmdz: lemme rephrase.  unless there's a better way, I'm going to grab the value in between "baz Bazaar version" and "(thelove@canonical.com"02:35
mdzI think "Bazaar version (word)" is probably safest02:36
mdzbut honestly I have no idea if the bazaar developers plan to change that output format02:36
mdzsomebody in #bazaar might now02:36
Clintokay, I'll go there02:36
jdubmdz: overnight to which hour in UTC?02:38
mdzjdub: sometime after 100002:38
jdubmdz: it really is just a matter of changing the seed for this one02:38
KamionI'll be up from ~090002:38
jdubmdz: heh02:38
jdubmdz: aha!02:38
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mdzI have a choice between staying up to 1000, or sleeping and joining up later02:38
mdzjdub: the preview was looking too perfect and I didn't want to curse it by fiddling in the last hours02:39
mdzjdub: but now that a bug has turned up, I feel more relaxed :-)02:39
Kamionso does that mean we can fix these scrollkeeper errors too? :)02:40
mdzKamion: what scrollkeeper errors?02:40
Kamionmdz: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/tmp/scrollkeeper-errors, on every install02:41
jdubKamion: so i know how to fix the first two (easy, not dangerous)02:41
Kamionjdub: the first two are the ugliest02:41
mdzjdub: * committed ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com/seeds--hoary--0--patch-18402:41
jdubKamion: gotta do some searching for the last one02:41
mdzand may god have mercy on my soul02:41
Kamionlocalechooser 0.04.0ubuntu7 fixes the locale generation bug02:41
jdubmdz: :-)02:41
mdzKamion: can you kick the published seeds?02:41
jdubmdz: you kicked out alsa and x11 too?02:42
Kamionmdz: done02:42
Burgundaviajdub: who is working on the front page redesign?02:42
mdzjdub: zsh: exit 1     grep polypaudio desktop02:42
Kamion- * polypaudio-alsa02:42
Kamion- * polypaudio-x1102:42
Kamion+ * esound02:42
jdubBurgundavia: henrik, ryan (forums dude) and the guys who won the comp02:42
Burgundaviajdub: thanks02:43
mdzuploaded ubuntu-meta 0.3802:43
zenwhenjdub, have you heard any complaints about dvd burn speeds dropping after having gone from warty to hoary?02:43
Kamionmdz: not leaving polypaudio in supported?02:43
Kamionof course polypaudio-clients is in supported still02:43
mdzKamion: the reason we're ditching it is that it's unsupportable, so I see no reason to keep it in main02:43
jdubzenwhen: no02:43
mdzI'll fix that02:43
zenwhenjdub, Oh. Maybe it is just me then. :(02:43
Kamionmdz: 'k02:44
mdzdear baz02:44
mdzplease make me type in my passphrase more02:44
mdzlove, mdz02:44
jdubmdz: gnome-gpg :)02:44
mdzI do not trust that thing with my key02:44
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mdzit doesn't even lock memory!02:44
Kamionbut but but it's got "gnome-" on the front02:45
KamionI'll get my coat02:45
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mdzwhen ubuntu-desktop comes around on the cron.daily train, I'll build new cloop images02:45
Kamionjdub: teasing :)02:46
mdzthat'll be 43 minutes02:46
Kamionquintuple-agent looked less bad last time I investigated02:46
KamionIIRC it locks memory02:46
jdubthere's some new gpg agent around too02:47
jdubgpg 4?02:47
mdzKamion: I did not seem to encounter this locale problem; what should I be looking for?02:48
mdzjdub: gnupg202:48
mdzKDE 3.4 uses it02:48
mdzlooks a bit like ssh-agent02:49
mdzfrom the outside anyway02:49
Kamionmdz: look in /etc/locale.gen; I noticed it going past while language-pack-* was being installed02:52
Kamionmdz: but it won't happen if you did an en_US install02:53
mdzKamion: my /etc/locale.gen looks pretty normal02:53
mdzI did02:53
Kamionit appends en_US.UTF-8 to supported-locales if the locale was not en_US.UTF-802:53
Kamionbut I forgot a space, so localechooser/prebaseconfig and base-config/lib/menu/pkgsel got confused02:54
mdzI just didn't realize US was magic02:54
Kamionyeah, it seemed silly to set it to "en_US.UTF-8, en_US.UTF-8" by default :)02:54
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schweebdammit, I'm a moron... is there any way to change your name in the wiki?  I managed to mistype my own last name02:58
schweebs/the wiki/plone/02:58
mdke_laptopschweeb, preferences are pretty limited02:59
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schweebbah, can only register an email once03:06
mdke_laptopalso you can't change your email address i don't think03:07
schweebis there any chance I could trouble our Ubuntu overlords to fix my error?03:07
mdke_laptoplol i doubt that03:08
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mdzschweeb: mail webmaster@03:08
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schweebmdz comes through again, thx03:09
mdzno problem, but please try to keep the conversation on-topic in here; we're under release pressure03:09
schweebmdz: alright, sorry.  assumed the person responsible would be more likely to see my call for help here.  I'll go back to lurking and working on Xen03:10
mdzKamion: does there exist a cheat sheet for d-i byhanding?03:28
Kamionmdz: elmo said he'd left one in jackass:~james/03:30
mdzKamion: I see no instructions, but there is a script03:31
KamionICBW, but I'd expect it's mostly "tar xzvf" in the right place03:31
Kamionand maybe cleaning up old directories03:31
mdzthe script has two sections, like the intent is for one of them to be cut and pasted03:32
mdzah, one for daily builds and one for real uploads03:32
Kamionoh, daily builds would probably have installer-i386/ in their tarballs, but expand into daily-installer-i386/, which might be interesting03:33
mdzyeah, it mv's that stuff around03:34
mdzit isn't terribly frightening, but there's a bit more to it than I'd like03:34
mdzmailed you a copy03:34
mdzit would be nice to be able to send out a request for overnight testing03:35
KamionI started writing a katie patch to do it automatically; most of it will probably be sanity-checking the tarball03:35
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Kamionlocalechooser 0.04.0ubuntu7 has not hit archive.u.c yet03:37
Kamionah, there it is03:39
mdzshould be there right now03:39
mdzas well as ubuntu-meta 0.3803:39
Kamionmdz: could you kick the d-i build? the machine with my script on it is currently running an install03:39
mdzoh fuck03:40
mdzpolypaudio Provides: esound03:40
mdzKamion: kicked03:40
mdzKamion: what do you think we should do about esound?03:41
mdzwhat a mess03:41
mdzcould upload polypaudio without the Provides, I suppose03:41
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jdubthat would break polypaudio unnicely03:42
Kamionno idea, I mean it'll work for new installs but not for upgrades03:42
mdzKamion: right03:42
Kamiondo we care?03:42
mdzwell, I'd really appreciate the testing03:42
jdubwe could just add to release notes "those testing with polypaudio before the preview should install esound"03:43
mdzand at some point we need to upgrade people03:43
Kamiona versioned dep from ubuntu-desktop would do it03:43
Kamionbit weird though03:43
mdzand there's no infrastructure in ubuntu-meta for it03:43
mdzubuntu-desktop could conflict with polypaudio03:43
Kamionthat would be foul, and probably cause upgrade issues03:44
mdzthat's the best idea I've got03:44
jdubdo we need to forcibly upgrade those people who have polypaudio?03:44
Kamionsince ubuntu-desktop would have to be deconfigured (at least) during the upgrade03:44
KamionI suspect we would end up with some confused people without ubuntu-desktop03:45
mdzKamion: nah, it should go fine, since ubuntu-desktop is being upgraded at the same time03:45
Kamionit will still have to be deconfigured03:45
mdzit will be unpacked and unconfigured anyway03:45
mdzthe installed version won't be deconfigured03:45
mdzthe new version just gets unpacked over it03:46
Kamionsince polypaudio will have to be totally removed before the new ubuntu-desktop is unpacked03:46
jdubnot a lot depends on esound03:46
Kamiona versioned dependency on esound is much, much cleaner than that03:46
jdubwe could remove the provides03:46
mdzKamion: the d-i builds all exited; I have no idea if they succeeded03:46
jduband add it again later03:46
Kamionand doesn't break the people who are actually trying to test polypaudio03:46
mdzKamion: ross failed due to an ssh host key mismatch; do you know which arch that is?03:46
Kamionmdz: powerpc I think03:46
jdubbut it does break polypaudio in the mean time03:46
Kamionmdz: just run that one again by hand?03:46
mdzKamion: retrying03:47
mdzjdub: how does removing the provides break polypaudio?03:47
jdubmdz: it means you can't install it without removing libesd...03:47
Kamionoh, is it another damn fam/gamin-style thing?03:48
mdzjdub: hmm?03:48
Clintmdz: s/star_merge/merge/g in _baz and your problem should be gone03:48
jdubmdz: which doesn't break polypaudio itself, but is pretty solidly broken03:48
Kamionlibrary depends on daemon03:48
jdubKamion: yes03:48
mdzClint: I was sure I did that in the first place03:48
jdubKamion: libesd talks to esound *and* polypaudio03:48
jdubKamion: fam was a little bit different03:48
Kamionhow about libesd depends esound | polypaudio, then?03:48
jdubwill do that now03:48
mdzI have no qualms at all about breaking polypaudio if that's what it takes03:49
jdubmuch saner :-)03:49
mdzbut I'd prefer not to mess with esound03:49
mdzat least not right now03:49
Kamionwe could break polypaudio for preview, and fix it again right afterwards03:49
Kamionwith the above method03:49
jdubKamion: doesn't fix the upgrade issue though03:49
jdubunless we do the versioned esound03:49
Kamionjdub: if polypaudio stops providing esound, the ubuntu-desktop upgrade will install real esound03:50
jdubKamion: (referring to libesd change only)03:50
jdubit doesn't depend anyway, just sugests03:50
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jdubhave we thrown out versioned esound depend entirely?03:51
Kamionwhoa, billions of scrollkeeper errors on powerpc03:51
Kamiongcalctool apparently03:52
jdubKamion: can you put output up again?03:52
Kamionyeah, just doing03:52
Kamionjdub: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/tmp/scrollkeeper-errors-powerpc03:53
mdzubuntu-desktop conflicts: polypaudio is perfectly reasonable to me03:53
mdzwe actively do not want supported systems to have polypaudio03:53
mdzapt will prefer to upgrade ubuntu-desktop and install esound, rather than remove ubuntu-desktop and keep polypaudio03:54
mdzbut I suppose we can punt on it for preview03:54
mdzkicking live fs builds03:54
Kamionjdub: locale is de_DE.UTF-8, btw03:55
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Kamionbut weirdly a scrollkeeper-rebuilddb after install doesn't show the gcalctool errors03:59
mdzKamion: what do you want to do about the d-i build?03:59
jdubKamion: it doesn't do anything for me after a recent rebuilddb03:59
Kamionjdub: yeah, maybe transient weirdness :(03:59
Kamionmdz: if you can byhand it, I think that would be best03:59
jdubKamion: not getting any xmllint issues with any of those04:00
jdubKamion: can you try on ppc?04:00
mdzKamion: so I want the lower half, right?04:01
Kamionmdz: no, upper04:01
mdzoh, it's a daily04:01
mdzARCHS="i386 amd64 powerpc ia64"04:02
mdzlook correct?04:02
Kamionyes, if that matches the tarball version04:02
mdzKamion: done04:03
mdzer, not yet04:04
mdzit drops me to a shell at one point04:04
mdzand I don't actually know what to do with it04:04
mdzit looks like everything is in order04:04
Kamionjdub: nor I, assuming it goes out on stderr04:04
Kamionmdz: I think it's for you to check it over, and also possibly to clean up old subdirectories of daily-installer-*04:05
jdubKamion: oh well; the others will be fixed in a couple of minues04:05
Kamionjdub: cool04:05
KamionI wonder where jbailey went to; I wanted to discuss the base-installer RESUME= fix with him04:06
mdzKamion: it drops me into lisa, but i'm not sure what I should tell lisa to do with these04:06
mdzso I'm going to leave them in queue/byhand for now04:06
Kamionlisa = ?04:07
Kamionoh, NEW processor04:07
mdzKamion: stuff should be synching now04:09
Kamionmdz: I think you just tell it to accept04:09
Kamionit checks whether byhand components are still present, and does not offer [A] ccept if so04:10
mdzoh, ok04:10
mdzaccepted, then04:10
mdznotified elmo04:11
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opijdub, ping? ;)04:24
jdubopi: pong04:25
opijdub, query :-)04:28
Kamionhttp://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/base-installer.resume.diff <- should make suspend-to-disk work out of the box, still testing04:35
Kamiontested with one swap partition and it's fine, I'll test with >1 and with none as well04:35
bluefoxicyis there some way i can tell if my cds were sent04:37
bluefoxicyI ordered some CDs for warty from shipit back in november04:37
bluefoxicyafter noticing a message that it was "Reopened by popular request" or something04:37
opiKamion, S-T-D is planed for Hoary, right?04:38
bluefoxicyopi:  protection lanned for Hoary :)04:38
Kamionopi: yes04:38
opiKamion, yeah, super -- it's really missing04:38
KamionI'm trying to make this work for preview even though it's very late, because it needs installer support and a lot of people will install with the preview and upgrade to final04:39
Kamionopi: it should work now if you put a suitable RESUME= in /etc/mkinitrd/mkinitrd.conf and regenerate your initrd04:40
wasabihaha so how long until the live cd is able to save data to itself? :)04:40
opiKamion, remind me, resume should point to partiton that is swap type?04:40
wasabiIt'd be a pretty easy interface edition, at log off check HAL to see if hte device the cd is in is a cd-rw, etc, then ask user if he wants to save. ;)04:41
Kamionopi: yes04:41
opiKamion, is snapshoting to file impossible (or, hard to achive?)04:42
Kamionopi: no idea04:42
KamionI'm no swsusp expert04:42
opiKamion, because it would be hard to change my partiton table now04:42
opior can I use my old swap04:42
opibecause it's up before swapon /dev/xxx04:42
opiKamion, ok, I'll google04:42
Kamionyou can use the swap partition you're already using for swap04:43
opiok, then I'm home04:43
Kamionor whatever, really; it just has to be a scratch partition04:43
Kamionas far as I know04:43
opiin that case, a hackinsh solution would be to mount file as a loop device and try to save it thre ;-)04:44
KamionI doubt you'd be able to resume if you tried that04:44
opiwell, what about initrd?04:44
Kamionif you feel like teaching it how to do that ...04:45
opinah, I'm just doing a blind guesses04:45
opiI guess I'll better patch kernel myself and test it04:45
Kamionthe initrd is what implements resuming04:45
opibut there's a part of the script that resumes the kernel state, no?04:46
Kamionhowever, /sys/power/resume only supports block devices04:46
opiah, so that's seattled04:46
KamionI suspect you'd be in for some fairly major hacking04:46
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mdzKamion: is [ "$foo" ]  in general a good idea, in contrast to [ -n "$foo" ]  ?04:58
mdzseems like it could cause a syntax error depending on the value04:58
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Kamionit does seem that way at first glance, but leaving out -n is fine; test(1) has some very strange argument handling rules05:00
Kamion    1 argument:05:00
Kamion        Exit true (0) if $1 is not null; otherwise, exit false.05:00
mdzI just built a new set of live CDs with esound05:01
Kamionone reason why avoiding -a and -o is a good idea is so that you can use the normal && and || argument handling rules rather than the strange test(1) rules05:01
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mdzKamion: localechooser ubuntu7 is the good one?05:02
Kamionmdz: yes05:02
mdzcurrent live build has all the goodies, then05:02
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mdzrsyncs nicely05:04
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Amaranthhey, take a look at http://www.euphorochrome.com.nyud.net:8090/photoblog/images/131.jpg05:07
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dilingerwhoa, nice pic05:11
zulhow is the release coming?05:11
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mdzzul: needs testing05:12
zuli could test it when i get in tomorrow05:12
zulnight though05:18
mdzhmm, I thought seb128 was going to make an upload to fix About Ubuntu05:21
mdzMar 08 15:52:20 <seb128>        k, I'll upload in ~30min so05:22
jdubmdz: which fix?05:23
mdzjdub: About Ubuntu points to the ubuntu-artwork Warty page05:23
jdubmdz: that's hard to fix05:23
jdubunless i fix it very hackily, non-i18n style05:23
jdubwhich i'm happy to do05:24
mdzwell, you're going to upload ubuntu-artwork anyway05:25
mdzso we may as well fix it there, at least for now05:26
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Kamionwhy does resizing a swap partition even take any time at all?05:31
mdzKamion: fwiw, I'm not able to reproduce the boot-di-from-USB-cdrom problem at the moment05:35
mdznot that I was able to consistently reproduce it before05:35
Kamionmdz: you mean #5732?05:37
Kamionmdz: adding udevstart to hw-detect may have made a number of mysterious bugs go away, or at least manifest differently05:38
Kamionbase-installer change works fine with three swap partitions, the middle one being the biggest05:39
Kamionnow to try with no swap partitions05:39
mdzKamion: yes, #573205:41
mdzKamion: current generation of live CDs are good (login/logout sounds and all)05:41
mdzKamion: also that "setenv boot-device cd:" seems to have done the trick; that'll save me gobs of time, thanks05:42
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Kamionhooray, yes, it is05:44
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mdzwould be neater if you could "Connect to server..." to an NFS server05:46
mdzneater still would be if there were a network filesystem which didn't suck ass05:46
Kamionconnect to server> yes, why don't we have that, anyway?05:48
crimsunmdz: RE: #6810, I've chatted with only one person who uses the modem module (snd-intel8x0m). I agree with Chuck RE: blacklisting it.05:48
mdzKamion: would *you* want to implement an NFS client in libgnomevfs?05:49
Kamionmdz: it doesn't just use mount(8)?05:49
mdzKamion: no, it does the protocol itself05:49
mdzKamion: hence being able to access SMB shares without root, anonftp, etc.05:50
mdzcrimsun: ok, can you remind me about it after preview is out?05:50
crimsunmdz: absolutely.05:50
Kamionbeing able to do mount(8) from the GUI would be good05:50
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Kamion(for non-gnomevfs-integrated stuff)05:52
mdzthat reminds me, I need to remember to implement mounting of hard disk partitions in casper sometime05:53
mdzwe should work out a way to share that code between casper and the installer05:53
Kamionrescue mode does that too05:53
mdzoh? hmm, maybe I can squeeze it in for hoary hten05:53
Kamionalthough its use case is different05:53
Kamionwell, rescue mode just mounts the partition you tell it too actually, that's quite different05:54
Kamions/too/to/ # gah05:54
mdzwhat I want is to poke around like os-prober does05:54
mdzmake up some reasonable names for what it finds, and mount using those names05:54
Kamionyeah, sorry, realised that belatedly05:54
mdzmaybe it should be an extension to os-prober05:54
Kamion"like os-prober does"> ITYM "using os-prober" :-)05:54
Kamionos-prober produces quite usable output05:55
mdzis os-prober already generic enough?05:55
mdzoh, good05:55
Kamionshould be05:55
Kamionit's used in several wildly different applications05:55
Kamionduplicating the logic on top of that isn't great but wouldn't be too bad for hoary05:56
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mdzjdub: cliff said he would come by tonight so that we can finalize stuff for preview; have you heard from him in the past 1-1.5 hours?06:03
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mdzKamion: anything on your list besides base-installer?06:07
Kamionmdz: no06:07
Kamionmdz: oh, those scrollkeeper fixes, jdub said he'd upload them in a few minutes two hours ago06:09
mdzKamion: I'm happy with the live CD except for artwork, and am ready for install testing when you are06:10
Kamionjdub: ping :-)06:10
Kamionyeah, nearly done with base-installer testing now06:10
Kamionhow do I un-suspend-from-disk, anyway? pressing the power button just seems to reboot from scratch06:10
mdzthat means it didn't find your RESUME06:10
mdzit works for me when I set RESUME manually06:11
Kamiontraditional device name, right?06:12
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mdzthat's what I use06:12
mdzof course it needs to be on a device which is visible in initrd-land06:12
mdzthough it's pretty unusual for swap to be on a different physical device than root06:12
mdzdifferent controller, that is06:13
Kamionit all looks fine06:15
Kamioncould be that the laptop is just odd; it is a Via after all06:15
mdzunfortunately I don't think it provides any debugging at all06:16
mdzKamion: do you have /sys/power/resume?06:16
Kamionyes, in the real system06:17
Kamionhow come initrd-tools' initrd does not mount /sys?06:17
Kamionoh, never mind, it does06:18
Kamionshrug, dunno, I'm pretty sure the configuration is correct now06:18
mdzKamion: anything in dmesg?06:19
mdzif there's some problem reading the resume data, I assume the kernel would log06:20
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Kamionoh, hey, that time it worked06:22
m_tthewever closer to the 'totally' in 'totally rad'06:23
mdzthe amd64 test box will suspend06:24
mdzbut it doesn't quite resume06:24
Kamionok, base-installer 1.15ubuntu7 uploaded06:24
mdzI think my jaw would have dropped if it had06:24
mdzapparently it supports cpu frequency scaling, too, which I hadn't noticed before06:27
jdubKamion: those aren't up?06:32
jdubi have .upload files here...06:32
fabbioneguys, what is the status for preview cd?06:35
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lamontmorning fabbione 06:37
fabbionehey lamont06:37
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Kamionjdub: nothing on hoary-changes06:42
m_tthewI like the 'determine my layout by pressing some keys'06:51
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bradgWill 2.6.11 be the default in the final release of hoary or does feature freeze dictate that we have to stick with 2.6.10?  I ask because 2.6.11 adds support for my sound card that isn't in
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=== Topic for #ubuntu-devel: Ubuntu Development | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-love for getting involved | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DeveloperResources | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryGoals | Kubuntu on #kubuntu-devel | please test pre-preview candidates: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/20050308.1/, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
=== Topic (#ubuntu-devel): set by mdz at Wed Mar 9 05:09:45 2005
lamontalthough 2.6.11 will be in universe06:56
Kamionjdub: ah, there it is. just gnome-applets?06:56
jdubKamion: also gnome-doc-utils06:57
jdubalthough i'm double checking my fix, because i can't believe it06:57
fabbionespeaking of which....06:58
fabbionewe could actually go
stubIf I suspend my laptop whilst playing music with Rythmbox, after I resume Rythmbox can no longer make a sound (could not pause playback, could not open resource). Should I file a bug against rythmbox, acpi-support or polypaudio ?07:02
Kamionelmo: probably best not to bother processing the next daily d-i build07:02
bradgjdub, Has there been any progress on the move to dbus-0.23.2?  Are there API incompatibilities that are sticking us to 0.23.0 for hoary?07:05
jdubKamion: hrm, so the ugly ones are easy, but the last one i can't be sure of07:06
jdubbradg: there's an api change which we could stub, and may do so before final if it's worth it07:06
Kamionjdub: nod07:07
bradgjdub, The major benefit I see is just that it will allow for wider testing recent versions of beagle.  Anyway, good luck on the release tomorrow!  Ubuntu has been great (the software but especially the community)!  I'm glad to be involved (Web design contest - heh, it's something).07:08
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fabbionedoko: ping07:17
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Kamionjdub: I think we can live without the last one07:23
Kamionmdz: decided not to wait any longer, new install CDs building07:27
Kamionwe have to rebuild later for ubuntu-artwork anyway07:28
fabbioneKamion: can you give me the green light for rsync and start testing?07:28
Kamionmdz: go ahead and test when ready; I'm going to get a little sleep07:28
Kamionfabbione: no, see above :)07:29
Kamionfabbione: now + 1 hour should be safe07:29
fabbioneKamion: roger that and good night houston. Apollo 13 out.07:29
Kamionerk, cancel that, I have to wait for the kubuntu dailies to finish07:29
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Kamionoh, no I don't. whoops.07:30
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Kamionreally building07:31
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mdzKamion: you were waiting?07:35
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fabbionenight lamont07:58
=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:mako] : Ubuntu Development | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-love for getting involved | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DeveloperResources | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryGoals | Kubuntu on #kubuntu-devel | please test pre-preview candidates: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/20050308.1/, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ | read, review, and edit the preview release announcement: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Draf
=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:mako] : Ubuntu Development | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-love for getting involved | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DeveloperResources | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryGoals | Kubuntu on #kubuntu-devel | please test pre-preview candidates: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/20050308.1/, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ | review preview ann.: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DraftHoaryPreviewAnnouncement
makofabbione: can you point sabdfl to that preview announcement when you see him?08:01
fabbionemako: sure08:01
makofabbione: i think i told i'd put it there but i suspect he'll forget :)08:01
makoand i'm gonna crash08:01
makobut i'll be up soon08:01
fabbionemako: ehehe ok.. good night08:01
jdubmdz: do you want the (non-i18n-happy) About Ubuntu change done?08:06
mdzjdub: meaning we replace the existing .html with a new .html?08:06
jdubwe change what it launches08:07
jdubto open the english-only docteam version08:07
makomdz: ok, you saw the announcement url08:07
mdzmako: I didn't, but I have now08:07
makomdz: good enough08:07
mdzmako: maybe swap the first two paragraphs?08:08
makomdz: fine with me.. i'm not going to touch it for a bit.. i need to crash08:08
jdubmako: "automated install support with Kickstart compatibility"?08:08
mdzmako: ok, thanks08:08
Burgundaviamako: I had the same thought regarding the 1st two paras08:11
makoi'm really not partial to the order of the paragraphs :)08:11
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Burgundaviamako: future announcements of this type? could that be changed to something more specific?08:12
makoBurgundavia: could just be future announcements08:13
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Burgundaviamako: ok, why not say future release announcments?08:17
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jdub_mdz: about ubuntu change? i have to do it soon08:17
mdzjdub_: why do you want to change the panel to launch a different program, rather than swapping in a new HTML file?08:18
jdub_because the new about ubuntu doc is docbook, to be viewed in yelp08:18
jdub_i could render it to html and swap it in08:19
mdzit's trivial to convert it into HTML08:19
jdub_but it will look a bit arsey08:19
mdzif the panel change is absolutely simple and safe, go for it08:19
mdzI just don't want to destabilize things there08:19
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dholbachgood morning08:21
pittiHi dholbach 08:23
dholbachmorning pitti08:24
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m_tthewfabbione : looks like the build is up08:31
fabbionem_tthew: thanks.08:31
mdzrsyncing it now08:32
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mdzwe're still going to need a gnome-panel and ubuntu-artwork from jdub before this is over08:32
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mdzjdub_: did you find out what happened to those two lost uploads?08:32
m_tthewthis will be the last build I can test before sleep08:32
fabbionejdub_: wrong target for the upload?08:33
mdzthe key for this build is working hibernate08:33
fabbionesparc is catching up pretty fast08:34
fabbionebut gcc-4 has a wrong build-dep08:35
fabbionethat means rebuilding it again after all the libs are done08:35
mdzjdub_: ah, I see them now. gnome-applets and gnome-doc-utils08:35
mdzhmm, no, I'm seeing seb128's gnome-doc-utils upload08:36
mdzjdub_: do you have a gnome-doc-utils upload to make, or no?08:36
jdub_decided not to08:36
mdzso only ubuntu-artwork and gnome-panel?08:36
mdzonce you've uploaded those, I'll need to do livefs builds, and then a full set of install+live CDs08:38
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mdzso I'm going to try to take a nap until then08:39
mdzplease SMS me if there are any issues08:39
jdubgoing to be > 1hr08:39
dokofabbione: pong08:45
fabbionedoko: gcc-4 FTBFS on sparc... interested in the log?08:45
fabbioneit looks to me it needs a newer version of libcairo... 08:45
fabbioneif so it needs a versioned build-dep08:45
fabbionebut i might be 100% wrong here08:45
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dokoit builds ok with the version in hoary on the other archs ... 0.3.0-108:47
fabbionefuck irc!08:47
fabbionei hate this protocol08:48
fabbioneyeah i had an older version of cairo08:48
fabbionei will kick it back as soon as libcairo will build08:48
fabbionebut it should still have a better version build-dep imho08:48
fabbioneif that's the problem08:48
dokook, added for the next version08:49
fabbionei will let you know to be 100% sure08:49
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Treenaksanyone with basic knowledge of US legalese here? :)08:49
fabbioneit will take sometime before i can actually kick back gcc08:49
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BurgundaviaTreenaks: I might be able to help08:52
TreenaksBurgundavia: can I /msg you? :)08:55
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pittiMoin mvo09:15
mvohey pitti! good morning09:16
dholbachhai mvo09:19
mvohey dholbach 09:20
amumoins 09:25
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pittierm, why does cdrecord ignore my speed attribute (speed=4) ???09:29
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carlospitti: when is the base language pack released? with the Ubuntu preview or with final release?10:04
pitticarlos: I uploaded up-to-date packs yesterday night10:04
carlosthe *final* base language pack10:04
carlospitti: I know, that's why I'm asking10:05
pitticarlos: right before the final Hoary version, I will update them again, of course10:05
carlosok, that was the question10:05
pitticarlos: btw, the tarballs of yesterday's rebuilds are in ~lamont/translations/2005030610:05
pitticarlos: that's a "fake" directory :-)10:05
pitticarlos: I also generated an index file, so you should be able to import it normally10:05
carlosperfect, thanks10:06
pitticarlos: btw, yesterday I defined a lot of domain overrides, so that I now have a complete set for hoary/main10:06
pitticarlos: do you have any use for it?10:06
carlospitti: please, send me them, it will help while cleaning up the first main import10:07
pitticarlos: you can always grab the latest ones from rookery10:07
pitticarlos: /home/pitti/strip2lparc/domain-overrides10:07
pitticarlos: there are some 0 byte files, that means that this source package is completely ignored10:08
pitticarlos: this is necessary sometimes10:08
pitticarlos: like, e. g. flex-old and flex have the same domain (flex), so I cannot install translations for both of them10:09
carlospitti: does it means we have two packages with the same domain but with different .pot and .po files?10:10
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pitticarlos: yes, flex-old is an -- erm -- older version10:11
pitticarlos: I only use the translations from the newer flex10:11
carlosand how is that we are supporting flex-old if it's not being developed anymore?10:12
pitticarlos: it's a build-dep of some pacakges10:12
carlospitti: what about patching it so it uses flex-old domain name?10:13
pitticarlos: that would be possible; but I didn't do this last night, too much other stuff10:14
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pitticarlos: besides, nobody will care about translations for flex-old anyway10:14
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carlospitti: I know, but that makes us handle an special case so doing the rename could be better than just ignore it10:15
pitticarlos: you need ignore-overrides anyway for some odd KDE packages :-)10:16
carlospitti: well, in this case I prefer if you don't create the tarballs for those packages than ignore them from my side :-)10:17
pitticarlos: hmm, that's more difficult10:17
pitticarlos: I can't know which domains collide before I actually build the tarballs10:17
carlosdon't worry, I need to talk with Mark about it today10:17
carlosI suppose we will find an easy solution 10:18
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pittiKamion, mdz: ^ can we fix this for preview?10:18
Mithrandirdoko: pong10:22
dokoMithrandir: built a binutils-i486 for ia64, needs now something like kernel-headers-i486 and glibc-headers-i486, not sure if that is less ugly than including the gcc source in the ia32-libs tarball.10:25
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Mithrandirdoko: that's horrible, it's way better to just include the gcc source in the ia32-libs tarball.10:26
Mithrandirimho, at least10:27
Keybukhmm, oops; anyone using aptitude will now have broken sound10:28
dokoso where was the problem building lib32gcc1 from ia32-libs?10:28
Keybuk(because polypaudio provides esound, so that satisifies the dependency of ubuntu-desktop ... so you don't get esound, just a polypaudio without the alsa or x11 drivers)10:29
Mithrandirdoko: it's not really a problem, I think I just asked whether gcc could generate lib32gcc1 on ia64 :)10:30
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trukulojdub, hei, you awake?10:33
trukulomorning to everybody10:33
Treenakshi trukulo 10:33
jdubvery busy atm10:33
jdubleave it a couple of hours :)10:34
trukulok jdub, just to say bittorrent 4 has multiple downloads and gtk interface10:34
dokoMithrandir: no10:35
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pittijdub: why does the live cd (ppc at least) use esd, while the install cd uses polypaudio?10:36
jdubpitti: install cds probably haven't finished building yet10:36
jdubor there's a desync10:36
pittijdub: oh, did we switch back to esd finally?10:36
carlosjdub: do you know that with polypaudio the welcome and session end sounds are not played anymore?10:37
mpt_londoncarlos: That's not a bug, it's a feature10:37
Keybukjdub: read my comment above10:37
Keybukpolypaudio provides esound10:37
carlosmpt_london: ;-)10:37
Keybukso ubuntu-desktop still depends on polypaudio10:37
jdubcarlos: yes10:38
jdubKeybuk: mdz put in a fix for that10:38
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jdubmdz will be back again soon10:38
Keybukjdub: where?  it wasn't in his 01:45 upload10:38
trukuloanyone but jdub who knows anything about torrent support in hoary? i mean, wouldn't be good to include bt 4.0.0 ?10:39
Treenakstrukulo: I think this'll be the same as the firefox 0.93/1.0 thing in warty :(10:39
fabbionehmmm no10:39
fabbionethere is also a licence change with bt that needs to be investigated afaik10:39
Treenaksfabbione: no?10:39
fabbione+ UVF = NO NO NO10:40
fabbioneit will stay as it is10:40
Treenaksfabbione: that's what I said..10:40
fabbionei was answering to trukulo :)10:40
mdzKeybuk: ubuntu-desktop doesn't depend on polypaudio; polypaudio provides: esound10:41
trukulofabbione, ok, i understand, only say that new bt have multiple downloads, and gtk interface10:41
fabbioneso does the actual one :-)10:41
trukuloexactly what you was looking for in u-d-l10:41
trukulono, the actual one use wxwidgets10:41
trukuloas i know10:41
trukuloand no multiple downloads in the same window10:42
fabbionejust goodies.. 10:42
fabbioneit's nothing critical for release10:42
Keybukmdz: yes, that's what I was just saying10:43
trukulofabbione, i agree, i was only questioning ;)10:43
Keybukmdz: so you end up with polypaudio instead of esound sometimes10:43
pittimdz: right now install uses polypaudio, live uses esd10:43
Keybukapt (at least aptitude) doesn't appear to favour real packages instead of providers10:43
pittimdz: at least on the ppc CDs from this morning10:44
pittimdz: but polypaudio is broken again for ppc/install on the current CDs :-(10:44
mdzKeybuk: apt and aptitude shouldn't enter into it; only esound should be on the CD10:45
mdzlooking at it now10:45
Mithrandirmdz: make ubuntu-desktop have a versioned depends (>= 0) on esound?10:45
mdzpitti: there is no polypaudio on the daily/current CDs10:45
mdzMithrandir: scroll back a few hours; we talked about this10:46
pittimdz: I just installed this morning's ppc/install without network (no chance of downloading), and this uses polypaudio10:46
mdzpitti: md5sum?10:46
Keybukmdz: yeah, but at the point the cd stuff gets installed, it's already added the network to sources.list hasn't it10:46
mdzmdz@little /srv/cdimage.no-name-yet.com/www/full/daily/current $ grep polypaudio *.list10:46
mdzmdz@little /srv/cdimage.no-name-yet.com/www/full/daily/current $10:46
mdzKeybuk: nope10:47
mdzit explicitly does the desktop install with only the CD in sources.list10:47
Keybukthere's also the fact that ubuntu-desktop breaks polypaudio without forcing esound10:47
pittimdz: 642877440 2005-03-09 08:43 hoary-install-powerpc.iso10:47
pittimdz: 54baddb324353badb9be9bf7ce9434b3  hoary-install-powerpc.iso10:47
Keybukso anyone tracking needs to make sure they replace polypaudio with esound manually10:47
mdz2e33c1f0cccb268a4605399d3b2ac5b9  hoary-install-powerpc.iso10:48
mdzpitti: ^^ that's current10:48
mdzKeybuk: we discussed all of this hours ago; it's not important for the preview release10:48
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mdzwe'll deal with the upgrade issue later10:48
mdzpitti: how long ago?10:48
pittimdz: downloaded 2 hours ago (7:43 UTC)10:48
mdzmdz@little /srv/cdimage.no-name-yet.com/www/full/daily $ grep 54baddb324353badb9be9bf7ce9434b3 */MD5SUMS10:49
mdz20050308.1/MD5SUMS:54baddb324353badb9be9bf7ce9434b3  hoary-install-powerpc.iso10:49
mdzmdz@little /srv/cdimage.no-name-yet.com/www/full/daily $ ls -l current10:49
mdzlrwxrwxr-x    1 cjwatson cdimage         8 Mar  9 07:24 current -> 2005030910:49
mdzyou have 20050308.110:49
mdz20050309 is current10:49
pittimaybe the current symlink was wrong then?10:49
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Keybukmdz: I wasn't awake hours ago :p10:50
mdzKeybuk: we're going to remove the provides from polypaudio10:50
Keybukyeah, that's pretty much what I'd do10:50
mdzKeybuk: I wasn't particularly awake myself :-P10:50
Keybuk"Hoary Hedgehog Preview Release ... brought to you by CAFFIENE!"10:51
mdzjdub: ETA for ubuntu-artwork?10:52
jdubmdz: conferring with mark/jane atm10:53
jduber, in a moment10:53
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dholbachhi seb128 10:54
TreenaksGood morning France! :)10:54
jdubseb128: see gnome-panel upload10:54
pittiHi seb128 10:54
seb128hey hey10:54
seb128jdub: thanks for the applets & panel love :)10:54
jdubseb128: we'll fix that before preview :)10:54
seb128fix what ?10:54
jdubthe panel hack10:55
jdub(it is not i18n aware, due to doc package)10:55
seb128that's not a hack10:55
jdubbut ok for preview ;)10:55
seb128oh, right10:55
jdubit so is dude ;)10:55
seb128but there is no translation of that atm10:55
jdubwe should do yelp ghelp:about-ubuntu or whatever10:55
seb128bah, a .desktop file doesn't seems to be a hack10:55
jdubhopefully taht'll be fxied for final too ;)10:55
seb128do we already have the preview images ?10:56
mdzseb128: we are waiting for ubuntu-artwork from jdub10:56
mdzand then we should be able to test the next (and possibly last) candidate10:57
seb128bah, that's only a preview10:57
seb128(this panel menu not localized bother me)10:57
pittimdz: is it possible to s/Warty Warthog/Hoary Hedgehog/ on the "About Ubuntu" html page?10:57
pittimdz: which package provides this?10:57
jdubpitti: we don't need to10:57
mdzpitti: jdub's gnome-panel upload points it to a new file10:57
jdubpitti: it's going to be removed anyway10:57
pittiah, ok10:57
seb128pitti: you have not planned any language-pack update before preview ?10:58
pittiseb128: I uploaded all the crack about midnight10:59
pittiseb128: please don't tell me you uploaded packages with heaps of new strings afterwards ....10:59
mdzpitti: are you still having problems with your keyboard layout on the live CD?10:59
pittiseb128: I can always publish new ones, but they need to be built and put into the CDs10:59
seb128I'm just bothered to have a "System" menu not localized in the middle of my french GNOME10:59
pittimdz: yes, same thing11:00
pittimdz: I replied to the bug11:00
seb128and that's probably the same for all the different languages :p11:00
mdzpitti: but it works on install?  that is very strange if so11:00
Treenaksseb128: same here in Dutch11:00
seb128that's a really bad effect11:00
pittimdz: maybe the reason is that xorg.conf is readonly on the live CD?11:00
pittimdz: yes, it works (almost) fine on install; for install it only configures pc104 instead of pc105, but this is a minor thing11:00
mdzpitti: if that were so, X would not work at all11:00
pittihmm, right11:01
Treenaksseb128: someone added a comment about this here: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7285                                11:01
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mdzpitti: can you send me /var/cache/debconf/config.dat from the live CD?11:01
pittimdz: yes, let me boot it11:01
seb128Treenaks: I know, I don't understand anything of this "Ad ..:" and I've read the comment several times11:01
Treenaksseb128: it's just backreferences.. "Ad 1" refers to [1] 11:02
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pittimdz: btw, keyboard on text consoles is fine11:02
seb128Treenaks: that's no sense11:02
mdzpitti: yes, that's handled by a less hairy mechanism :-)11:03
seb128Treenaks: "- Add/Remove Programs[2] " == "Ubuntu-package: not translated at all (isolate i18n-strings and use pygettext to create po-template)"11:03
seb128Treenaks: what does pygettext does in that ?11:03
Treenaksseb128: he's a gnome person.. not a lot of ubuntu experience11:03
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mdzjdub: how is the GNOME release?11:08
pittimdz: http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/config.dat-ppc-live-german11:10
mdzName: debian-installer/keymap11:11
mdzTemplate: debian-installer/keymap11:11
mdzValue: mac-usb-de-latin1-nodeadkeys11:11
mdzOwners: base-config, d-i11:11
mdzthat looks reasonable11:11
pittimdz: btw, daniels' detection script works fine, too11:11
mdzpitti: that's so strange11:12
pitti$ sudo ./detect-keyboard.sh11:12
pittilayout is de11:12
pittirules are xorg11:12
pittimodel is pc10411:12
pittioptions are nodeadkeys11:12
mdzpitti: look at /var/lib/dpkg/info/xserver-xorg.config, line 171511:12
mdzthis should be the same code as detect-keyboard.sh11:12
mdzI don't see an entry in the case statement which corresponds to mac-usb-de-latin1-nodeadkeys11:13
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mdzoh, I see, this fallback:11:13
mdz    *--de*) XMAP="de"; OPTIONS="nodeadkeys";;11:13
mdzthat is based purely on LANG11:13
mdzso perhaps $LANG is not set properly at that point11:14
mdzmvo: do you have this problem as well?11:14
mdzit seems like it may be specific to the mac-* layouts11:14
pittimdz: maybe, locale in the running system is correct; maybe it is read too late11:14
mvomdz: I had it, but I can't test right now, my test-systems cdrom seems to be b0rked today11:14
pittimdz: however, the real fix seems to be to add the mac-usb keymaps then11:14
pittimdz: since we already saw that locale-based choice is wrong11:15
mdzpitti: the question is whether $LANG is set in d-i11:15
mdzI would expect so, but perhaps not11:15
pittimdz: ah, that's the reason why the detection script works in the running system11:15
pittibecause LANG is correct then11:15
mdzpitti: could you paste our conversation into the bug so that we do not forget?11:15
mdzpitti: yes, it seems very likely that this is the source of the problem11:15
mdzmvo: are you on powerpc as well?11:17
mdzpitti: what is the bug#?11:18
pittimdz: 713811:18
pittimdz: just posted the followup11:18
mvomdz: no, i386. I could get access to a  ppc if it is required/urgent11:18
mdzmvo: I'm very interested to know if it happens for you on i38611:19
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mvomdz: live-cd image is downloaded in ~2 minutes, then I'll burn it on a CD-R (my testsystem has either problems with it's cdrom or my cdrws are all faulty now). I'll keep you updated11:22
mdzmvo: thanks11:22
=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:mdz] : Ubuntu Development | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-love for getting involved | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DeveloperResources | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryGoals | Kubuntu on #kubuntu-devel | please test pre-preview candidates: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ | review preview ann.: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DraftHoaryPreviewAnnouncement
fabbionemdz: do we have also the last gnome stuff?11:23
mdzfabbione: we have everything except ubuntu-artwork from jdub11:23
=== fabbione rsyncs
Mithrandirelmo: http://sources.redhat.com/ml/binutils/2004-09/msg00299.html ; do you have any thoughts on the patch or should I ask doko?11:23
fabbionehmm no11:23
fabbionethey are not propagate to the CD yet, are they?11:24
mdzdid Kamion mention at what time he intended to return?11:24
mdzfabbione: there are a few small things which are not on the CD yet, because I am waiting for ubuntu-artwork to do a full set of builds (live fs, install CDs, live CDs)11:24
elmoMithrandir: h j lu patches are to be avoided unless they're a) approved, b) have had a two week cooling off period to ensure they haven't broken random shit11:24
dokoelmo: approved by amodra11:25
elmothen it works for me11:25
elmohowever, I hope you're not thinking we need this for hoary?11:25
Mithrandirit would be nice to have so ld would barf instead of falling over with an assertion error.11:27
Mithrandircollect2: ld terminated with signal 11 [Segmentation fault] 11:27
Mithrandir/usr/bin/ld: BFD 2.15 assertion fail ../../bfd/elflink.c:608111:27
elmoMithrandir: we're at preview - is it really worth changing the way ld dies now?11:27
Mithrandirelmo: ok, hoary+1, then.11:27
fabbionemdz: ok..11:27
Mithrandiryou know binutils better than I do. :)11:27
dokofirst class funeral are important ;)11:28
elmoprobably not, but I do bear H.J.Lu-scars11:28
seb128mdz, jdub: I've a gnome-panel with "System" localized in all the locale (the string comes from yelp 2.6) ... any change to get that in the preview ?11:30
mdzseb128: it would require that pitti do new langpacks11:31
jordiseb128: are the translations in hoary the official ones in the GNOME tarballs?11:31
mdzjordi: yes11:31
pittimdz: I can do update packages, they are relatively cheap11:31
jordiso everything but "System" will be translated?11:31
mdzpitti: they worry me, though11:31
jordithat's a very visible string11:31
seb128mdz: I know, but that's the most visible string on screen11:31
pittimdz: let's get it perfect for final11:31
mdzpitti: because we have not fixed bug #16459511:31
seb128s/that's/that's like/11:31
seb128I'm a bit annoyed to ship a preview with a panel not localized correctly11:32
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pittimdz: we worked around this by a Pre-Dependency11:32
seb128you see 3 labels on the desktop and one of them is "System" in english11:32
mdzpitti: oh, ok11:32
mdzseb128: go ahead, pitti can update the langpacks11:32
jordiI curse jdub, I gotta sort a few things with sabdfl and he's  totally centered on him11:32
pittimdz: so the -base package will be installed first in any case11:32
seb128mdz: thanks11:33
pittiseb128: ping me if the package is built11:33
pittiseb128: because I need the translation tarball11:33
jordiseb128: can you confirm ca does have that translation?11:33
seb128pitti: I know, don't worry11:33
jordishould be. It's "Sistema" in any case11:33
mdzseb128: so you were able to get translations for System in many languages from yelp?11:33
seb128jordi: 11:33
seb128msgid "System"11:33
seb128msgstr "Sistema"11:33
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jordiI hope about ubuntu and stuff is preserved since warty11:34
jordibut anyway11:34
seb128mdz: 76 languages11:34
mdzjordi: you could help us by testing the live CD :-)11:35
jordimdz: which doesn't have ca translations :(11:36
pittimdz: am I right with my assumption that now is not a good time to upload a perl security update to Hoary?11:36
seb128jordi: nop, About Ubuntu is a temporary .desktop hack atm11:36
jordiI've tried, I tell you11:36
mdzpitti: that is correct11:36
mdzjordi: it doesn't?  which one did you try?11:36
mdzoh, right11:36
jordimdz: but sure, point me to an image I can use and I will rush to test it11:36
jordimdz: hmm array611:36
mdzca is not in the list for the live CD11:37
mdzwe may have some space left to add more languages, but not much11:37
jordimdz: oh dude YOU WOULD MAKE ME HAPPY11:38
seb128mdz: panel uploaded11:38
seb128pitti: I'll let you know when the build is ok11:38
mdzpitti: after preview, can you check to see how many more langpacks we could fit on the live CD?11:38
pittiseb128: luckily I just improved langpack-o-matic to spit out minimal update packages without much effort11:38
seb128thanks guys for that, better to have the menu in user's locale :)11:38
jordimdz: and I would start promoting those live CD's against "Catix" (knoppix based crappy Catalan distro) egemony in Catalonia11:38
pittimdz: yes, of course; after preview I also wanted to do some -0ubuntu0 uploads for stripping the handful of big packages you selected11:39
jordimdz: I mistakenly suggested people to download array6 and then we discoevered ca wasn't n11:39
mdzjordi: unfortunately I don't think we can change this for preview, but we will try to support more languages after11:39
jordimdz: hrm. The other day I thought about having some extra cd images with some other langs11:39
jordibut if ca can go in final, hey that rocks :)11:40
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mdzjordi: it would be very easy to build a customized live CD with ca support11:42
mdzjordi: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LiveCDCustomizationHowTo11:42
mdzjust a little bit of time and disk space11:42
mdzbut hopefully we can support it by default for final11:43
jordimdz: can I do something so you remember to have a look?11:44
mdzjordi: you can remind pitti in a few days :-)11:44
pittimdz: so the battle for langpack CD space officially begins :-)11:44
jordipitti: I am going to be like your shadow11:45
mdzjdub: I need an answer on ubuntu-artwork11:46
mdzjdub: it will take 2+ hours to get a candidate built once we say go11:46
seb128jdub: I've a patch ready for the submenus switches in System11:47
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pittiHi sivang11:47
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pittiMorning sivang 11:47
sivangpitti: Morning :)11:49
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Amaranthanyone know why gnome.org is down?11:51
mdz2.10 release overload?11:51
TreenaksAmaranth: because they're releasing?11:51
Amaranthwow, i don't even think mozilla.org when down when firefox came out11:52
Amaranthwell, not for this long11:52
Amarantherr, went11:52
Amaranthit's 5am11:52
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pittimvo: successful?11:53
mdzperhaps they were h4x0red11:53
mvopitti, mdz: yes, booting with german as language gives me a pc105 german keyboard in X11:53
mdzat any rate, that'd be a question for #gnome or such11:53
pittimvo: okay, it's the lack of detection support for mac-usb keyboards for sure11:53
Amaranthyeah, they're pretty idle, figures someone here would know11:54
mdzmvo: ok, so I think we are confident abotu the nature of pitti's problem11:54
pittimvo: good to hear that i386 works fine :-)11:54
mdzand it affects relatively few systems11:54
pittiyes, that's relieving11:54
pittiit would be a shame if the live CD was broken for i38611:54
pittibecause it is so much better than warty's :-)11:54
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mvoyeah, the new live cd really rocks!11:55
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pittisivang: connection problems today?11:56
mdzmvo: it has this great new feature where it actually boots most of the time ;-)11:56
pittimdz: indeed, the live CD failed for 75% of the people I gave it to11:57
pittimdz: (warty's)11:57
mdzit failed for many people I know, too :-//11:57
pittipretty embarassing...11:57
mvomdz: yes, that's one of it's strong points :) I like the design too11:57
sivangpitti: since yesterday :-/ had a nice time of no problems at all, then suddenly 3 days ago things b0rk3d, cable infrastructure seems fine, so maybe this is only a problem with the ISP's routing etc..11:57
sivangpitti: so since about 3 days I having accesss that comes and goes with no apparent reason11:58
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mdzI am unable to reach jdub or sabdfl12:11
mdzdoes anyone know what is going on?12:11
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jdubmdz: we're on the phone12:13
jdubmdz: you're not going to like the results12:13
jdubmdz: brb12:13
mdzjdub: I'm OK with whatever as long as we don't delay preview further12:14
jdubis elmo around?12:15
pittiseb128: gnome-panel_2.10.0-0ubuntu3_translations.tar.gz is present12:15
pittiseb128: that should be the right one?12:15
mdzjdub: whenever you guys would like to bring me into the loop regarding the release, I'm standing by.  running on little sleep over here12:16
=== pitti watches ugly errors when "Registering Documentation"...
elmojdub: yes12:16
jdubmdz: will get off in a sec12:17
seb128pitti: correct12:18
pittiseb128: okay, I can build new update packs if everything is in12:19
pittiI mean _really_ :-)12:19
seb128as far as I'm concerned go for it12:19
jdubmdz: we need to get clearlooks in main12:20
mdzbeg your pardon?12:20
jdubyeah, serious12:20
mdzI am not sure that I am prepared to stay up an extra hour for this12:21
jdubcan Kamion take over?12:21
mdzKamion is dead asleep12:21
seb128jdub: you want to switch the default theme for preview ?12:21
mdzhe was up until 6am or osmething12:21
jdubseb128: sabdfl has asked us to, yes12:21
fabbionethat means seeding -> archive propagation -> cd rebuild12:21
fabbione+ testing12:22
fabbione= 2 hours if we are all here12:22
fabbione(at least!)12:22
seb128jdub: we have the fix for the label colors ?12:22
Amaranthoh sure, now you work on clearlooks, after i install from source :P12:22
mdzfabbione: it is much more than that12:22
jdubwell, gnome 2.10 is not out yet anyway12:22
mdzthe live fs build alone is 20-30 minutes12:22
jdubAmaranth: it's in universe12:22
=== Amaranth hugs clearlooks-indubstrial
seb128Amaranth: it's in universe for a week or so12:22
jdubseb128: we have a different gtk theme anyway12:22
Amaranthi installed from source 4 days ago12:22
seb128jdub: different of what ?12:22
mdzjdub: clearlooks is new code12:22
jdubmdz: it's well tested12:23
seb128jdub: you want to use clearlooks for what ? not gtk ?12:23
mdzjdub: not in Ubuntu it isn't12:23
jdubseb128: yes12:23
Amaranthisn't there already a clearlooks-human theme?12:23
mdzthis is madness12:23
jdubmdz: you need to call sabdfl 12:23
mdzI SMSed him12:23
jdubi'm just the messenger12:23
jduband i told him no one would like the message12:23
pittijdub: does clearlooks involve any translations?12:25
mdzjdub: I would have liked it fine a week ago12:25
jdubpitti: no, it's a widget theme12:25
jdubmdz: i understand12:25
jdubmdz: i boringly and rigidly said no.12:25
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fabbionejdub: is that why you are telling us to do it? ;)12:26
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Amaranthsabdfl == Mark?12:26
jdubi also told mark that my testicles would be blue at UDU because of this12:26
jdubi'm fundamentally aware of the problem12:26
mpt_londonAmaranth: yes12:26
Amaranthah, that explains a lot12:26
theineHi, are there any plans for including gnome-bluetooth into main?12:27
pittitheine: not for hoary12:27
pittitheine: can you please ask this again in some days?12:28
pittitheine: the folks are currently very busy with the preview release12:28
theinesure, no problem12:28
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=== mpt_london installs this clearlooks thing to see what everyone's talking about
pittiHi ogra12:36
mdzjdub: spoke with Mark, I'm crashing, please do what needs to be done, see you in 7 hours12:36
ograclearlooks hasnt a human colorset yet, i'm using it since about a week and it seems stable....12:37
pittimdz: sleep well, mdz12:37
ograg'night mdz12:37
jdubmdz: thanks; sleep very well12:37
jdubogra: that's coming in ubuntu-artwork12:37
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dholbachgood night mdz12:38
ograjdub, i just read up.....(just wated to take mdz's fear abour stability a bit) :)12:38
seb128'night mdz 12:38
dholbachhi ogra12:39
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jdubok, making seed change now12:39
elmojdub: please tell me what to promote too - waiting for seeds to propogate will take time12:41
elmook, promoted12:42
sivanghi ogra , dholbach 12:43
dholbachhi sivan!12:43
ogramorning sivang 12:43
jdubso what we're doing12:44
jdubso everyone groks what's going on12:44
jdubis adding the clearlooks theme to the desktop (and thus the CD)12:44
jduband using it as the default theme12:44
jdubto make maximum impact12:44
jdubthough it does mean we delay12:45
jdubmeanwhile, if anyone hadn't noticed, GNOME 2.10 hasn't been released yet because the servers are down12:45
seb128jdub: anybody knows what's going on with the servers ?12:45
sivangjdub: yeah, I thought it was becasue of the load on the servers?12:45
jdubso everyone's having fun tonight it seems :)12:45
jdubseb128: haven't got a reasonable answer yet12:46
jdubseb128: going to ring owen soon12:46
fabbionejdub: and what are the 2.10 pkgs we are shipping now?12:46
jdubfabbione: the latest seb did hours ago12:46
jdubfabbione: the ones that will be in the release12:46
ografabbione: sneak preview ;)12:46
jdub(the tarballs are gathered a couple of days before the release)12:46
pittiseb128: I need your help12:46
seb128fabbione: he's speaking about official announce for 2.1012:46
jdubah, fuck it, going to call owen now12:47
fabbioneseb128: ahhhhhh12:47
seb128fabbione: the tarballs/packages are the 2.10 ones12:47
pittiseb128: tarball for gnome-panel is broken (no mo files)12:47
maswanjdub: not the ftp server though, right?12:47
fabbioneseb128: you rock!12:47
pittiseb128: and there is only one pot file "yelp.pot"12:47
fabbioneseb128: even if you are a gtk bug!12:47
seb128pitti: are you kidding me ?12:47
jdubmaswan: no12:47
pittiseb128: is the domain really "yelp"?12:47
maswanGood, had it been the ftp server, I should have heard of it (and been working hard on fixing it) by now.12:48
pittiseb128: is the domain "gnome-panel"?12:48
seb128pitti: correct12:48
seb128pitti: the yelp.pot has been copied with the System strings from yelp12:49
seb128pitti: but I don't get the "there is no .mo"12:49
seb128I've not changed anything out of adding a string to the .po files12:49
pittiseb128: erm, I just found an older tarball, there it is "gnome-panel-2.0"12:50
seb128pitti: arg12:50
seb128lemme check12:50
pittiseb128: no, really, in the latest upload there is a "yelp.pot"12:50
=== pitti kicks pkgstriptranslations
seb128pitti: <seb128> pitti: the yelp.pot has been copied with the System strings from yelp12:50
Kamionfuck, sorry, overslept; anything I need to do now?12:50
fabbioneKamion: no.. we released already12:50
seb128pitti: I can fix it since we are delayed for the gtk2-engines stuff12:50
ograKamion: waiting12:51
pittiseb128: find -name "*.mo" -exec basename '{}' \; | sort -u12:51
ograKamion: for inclusion of clearlooks in main12:51
Kamionfabbione: I've read enough scrollback not to be fooled by that :)12:51
pittiseb128: no need to fix it, I just need the correct domain12:51
Kamion11:42 < elmo> ok, promoted12:51
fabbioneKamion: :P12:51
pittiseb128: I think it is gnome-panel-2.012:51
seb128pitti: gnome-panel-2.012:51
seb128pitti: let me fix it12:51
seb128pitti: there is no hurry due to clearlooks12:51
pittiseb128: no worries, I add an override12:51
elmoKamion: if we're going to need another d-i for this (can't see why), lemme know, as we still have this morning's cron.daily in q/byhand12:51
Kamionelmo: nope, best not12:52
pittilamont: ping?12:52
Kamionjdub: have you done ubuntu-meta, or do you want me to?12:52
jdubKamion: please do12:53
Kamionwill have to wait until cron.daily12:56
jdubwhen's that?12:59
jdubmaking related u-a changes01:01
Kamionjdub: what needs to change to make clearlooks the default theme, rather than just present? just u-a?01:01
jdubit will be called Human01:01
jdubso no default changes or anything01:01
sivangwhat's with gamin_server , everytime I do an upgrade it eats CPU cycles and apparently scans all my drives, bringing the system to a painful slowdown..01:01
pittiseb128: "there is no .mo" -> not your fault01:02
seb128pitti: oh ?01:02
pittiseb128: either one buildd is outdated, or there is another bug in pkgstriptranslations01:02
seb128pitti: BTW I'm doing an upload now to fix that01:02
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pittiseb128: what was wrong? how did the yelp.pot file came into the g-panel source package?01:03
Kamionman, I had dreams last night that I had to fix installer bugs for preview01:03
seb128pitti: the 76 "System" translations come from yelp01:03
fabbioneKamion: and did you write down the patches before waking up?01:04
seb128pitti: I've made a quick python script to grab "System" in all the po files and copy it with the translation in the panel po files01:04
seb128pitti: and it has grabbed the .pot with them01:04
pittiah, ok01:04
seb128look on the .pot :p01:04
pittiseb128: because older tarballs do not ship a pot file at all (which is another bug, because the Rosetta guys need it)01:04
Kamionfabbione: nope :)01:05
pittiseb128: but I don't need the pot for langpack-o-matic, so this has time01:05
Kamionare there more langpack changes needed for preview?01:05
pittiKamion: yes, I was just asked to upload new update packages for the gnome-panel changes01:07
seb128Kamion: I've added the "System" translations in 76 languages to the panel, better to have the menu title translated01:07
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Kamionok, tell me when those are done since I won't see them on hoary-changes01:07
Kamionjdub: intentional that indubstrial's still in desktop?01:08
jdubindustrial? yes01:09
Kamioner, yeah, that01:09
pittiKamion: ok01:09
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=== pitti uploaded new language packs
Kamionubuntu-meta done, too01:18
Kamionjdub: will ubuntu-artwork make this cron.daily?01:18
jdubcould do01:19
jdubKamion: uploading now01:25
fabbioneKamion: what about desktop-sparc?01:25
kokeseb128: the System panel menu keeps appearing to me as "Desktop" (and untranslated)01:26
kokeseb128: using 2.10.0-0ubuntu301:26
Kamionfabbione: it didn't want to auto-update; I have no intention of waiting for it01:26
fabbioneah ok01:26
seb128koke: should be "System", you have probably and old translation somewhere01:26
jdubKamion: you've got gnome-panel 2.10.0-0ubuntu2 ?01:26
fabbioneworks for me01:26
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seb128jdub: upload what ?01:27
fabbionejdub: there is gnome-panel ubuntu4 from seb....01:27
Kamionjdub: gnome-panel | 2.10.0-0ubuntu3 |         hoary | amd64, i386, ia64, powerpc, source01:28
jduboh man01:28
KamionI guess ubuntu4 will make it next cron.daily01:28
seb128.daily ?01:28
Kamionoh, actually, next but one cron.daily since it has to build01:29
elmojdub: try again - you'd managhed to upload just the .dsc01:30
Kamionpitti: what version of language-pack-*-update am I watching out for?01:31
jdubseb128: ubuntu-artwork01:31
jdubmy net's fucked01:31
jdubam i back?01:31
pittiKamion: no -update; language-pack-foo 2005030901:31
Kamionall at once01:31
Kamionpitti: oh, duh, yeah01:31
pittiKamion: the -base packages remain at 2005030801:31
Kamionjdub: PING01:32
Kamionjdub: PONG01:32
Kamion12:31 < jdub> yo?01:32
thomKamion: grub install on i386 just bombed with "The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly", current daily built from jigdo01:35
thomcould be jfs related (testing it for kicks), trying ext3 now01:35
KamionI doubt jfs /boot will work, it's just a missing check01:36
Kamionyou should be able to use ext3 /boot and jfs / though01:38
thomnod; i don'tmuch care, was just curious and figured i should report it01:38
Kamionyep, thanks01:40
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=== thom blinks; is there no way that the language pack stuff could be samrter about generating locales? i don't even know what en_PH is
ograthom: philosophical english ?01:46
Treenaksthom: PH is Philippines01:46
thomTreenaks: i was kinda assuming that was the case, ut even so01:47
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Kamionthe installer already puts en_* locales into locale.gen; perhaps it could check to see whether relevant locales are already present, and not be too stressed about regenerating if they are01:48
elmothom: see u-d and my previous whinings01:48
thomah, you already whined? cool cool01:48
elmo(or more to the point, mdz's reply)01:48
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kokeseb128: it's ok, my System menu appears now as system after cleaning /usr/local :)01:51
jdubback on air?01:52
jdubi am01:52
tsengyou're live, jdub 01:53
seb128koke: nice01:53
seb128jdub: is there somebody working on the translations updates for the desktop/hoary ?01:54
jdubseb128: rosetta people?01:54
seb128jdub: ie: is that worth than I make a list of the hoary specific strings all over the desktop and mail the lists ?01:54
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Kamionjdub: oh, if you're changing Human, what happens to the old Human theme?01:55
seb128jdub: dunno but nobody has sent any string atm, the current system obviously doesn't work. I guess that rosetta people are busy on the tool and doesn't bother about what should be put in and pointed to people :)01:55
jdubKamion: gone.01:56
jdubseb128: yeah01:56
jdubKamion: it's not a hugely major change, and you can always click back to industrial01:57
carlosseb128: dude, we are busy because we are finishing the Ubuntu's l10n infrastructure01:57
seb128jdub: same about the hoary xml files pointed by the about ubuntu  ... is there anything running for that ? If not I'll tackle that this afternoon01:57
carlosseb128: working full time on it01:57
seb128carlos: I don't blame anybody, I just note than we don't have any localization for the ubuntu changes atm01:58
Kamionhm, the blue-on-brown thing with clearlooks is a bit weird01:58
jdubseb128: i don't think the doc i18n stuff is sorted with rosetta yet01:58
jdubKamion: blue on brown?01:58
carlosseb128: I know, and you can blame us, we are out of schedule01:58
Kamionblue window title bars, brown background01:58
Kamiondesktop background01:58
jdubKamion: choose Human01:58
carlosjdub: right, no documentation translations with Rosetta for Hoary01:58
Kamionoh, it'll munge the colours? ok.01:58
seb128carlos: don't worry, I'll push on that, I just don't want to dup work with you guys01:58
jdubKamion: yeah, gtk+ theme defines the colours01:59
seb128jdub: we can use the same system as GNOME 2.10 /xml-po stuff ?01:59
jdubKamion: phheeew, you had me worried for a sec01:59
jdubseb128: yes01:59
jdubseb128: well, probably01:59
carlosseb128: if you put the translations inside the source package, it will be added automatically to Rosetta, so you will not duplicate any work01:59
Kamionjdub: well it hasn't been uploaded yet, so I just have to guess :P01:59
jdubit has01:59
Kamionjdub: 12:30 < elmo> jdub: try again - you'd managhed to upload just the .dsc01:59
jdubit's already up01:59
seb128jdub: k, I'll do that today if you don't mind (ie: no other stuff for me to do first)01:59
jdubi did again01:59
Kamionno it isn't01:59
Kamionhoary-changes does not have mail01:59
jdub-rw-r--r--  1 jdub jdub  457 2005-03-09 23:36 ubuntu-artwork_0.2.19-1_source.upload02:00
seb128jdub: I'm sure than some locale teams can translate that for hoary if we provide the po files02:00
carlosseb128: too late to move into xml-po for Hoary02:00
jdubi'll do again02:00
seb128carlos: ?02:00
carlosseb128: you asked: " we can use the same system as GNOME 2.10 /xml-po stuff ?"02:00
seb128carlos: not speaking about you, I'm working that around 02:00
seb128carlos: yeah, GNOME 2.10 notes are translated using that, I want to copy the system 02:01
sabdflhi all02:01
carlosseb128: if you handle it by hand to create the .pot file, we are able to use Rosetta, yes02:01
Kamionafternoon Mark02:01
seb128hey sabdfl 02:01
sabdflKamion: thanks for the marathon session last night02:01
jordiHmm, it's nearly time to pack up. I don't think I'll be back at the appartment.02:01
seb128carlos: that's the idea02:01
sabdflseb128, Kamion, jdub: can you guys give me a quick status please02:01
Kamionsabdfl: just a shame I didn't quite make it up again before mdz went to sleep :)02:01
pittiHi sabdfl 02:02
sabdflKamion: i had to force mdz to rest02:02
ograhi sabdfl 02:02
sabdflhey ogra02:02
Kamionsabdfl: as far as I know we're now just waiting for ubuntu-artwork, then I'll kick install CDs, live cloops, and live CDs in turn02:02
Kamionsince we'll likely be ready before mdz gets up again, who's doing the announcement?02:02
sabdflwe'll wait for mdz02:02
sabdfljdub: hard deadline of 3pm UTC for the artwork uploads02:03
sabdflKamion: please start the rebuild no later than 3pm02:03
sabdfldo we have any mirrors we can trigger?02:03
Kamionsabdfl: jdub is trying to get it uploaded right now, he just ran into upload glitches02:03
sabdflKamion: in case there are ongoing issues, i want to have a hard cutoff02:03
sabdflagreed with mdz02:03
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sabdflKamion: how long does the build process take, usually?02:04
jdubgnome isn't even out yet ;)02:04
sabdflis it going to change from what we have?02:05
Kamionsabdfl: about an hour to build02:05
jordijdub: are all the tarballs released though?02:05
Kamionthen time for people to download and test02:05
jdubsabdfl: it's already done02:05
jdubbut i'm having network issues, evidently02:05
jdubjordi: of course02:06
jdubjordi: due date is monday02:06
Kamioncan you scp to somewhere more reliable and upload from there?02:06
jdubattempting to upload 4MB with this packet loss is ridiculous02:07
Kamionsabdfl: two hours from beginning of build to being able to say go is a comfortable timeframe; we can pull it lower than that but I'd rather not02:07
sabdflaiming for 19h00 UTC02:07
sabdflmdz will be up 18h00 UTC02:07
sabdflwould like to have it rolled, mirrored as widely as possible, and tested by then02:07
jdubyeah, trying that02:07
sabdfldo we have any mirrors we can trigger02:07
Kamionelmo: can we give mirrors some notice?02:07
sabdfljdub: will the gnome code change at all before release? or are we good to go02:08
jdubsabdfl: we're fine02:08
sabdfleta on the gnome release?02:09
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sabdfljdub: ^02:10
sabdfli have to step out for half an hour02:10
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sabdfljdub, kamion, i think it would be poor form to release before gnome02:10
ograhmm, gnome.org is still down....02:10
sabdflcan you guys discuss and come up with a plan if gnome.org is still down at 18h00 UTC02:11
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mvohi froud 02:11
HiddenWolfgnome.org down? whoops02:11
jdubwhy does everyone keep asking that? :)02:12
jdubgnome tarballs were due two days ago02:12
jdubwe don't need any updates at all02:12
Kamionelmo: can we kill boot-floppies from universe? :-) There seems little point in trying to build it02:14
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jdub|piracticaluploading via alternate route :-)02:15
Kamion"piratical" :-)02:15
jdub|piracticalit's up!02:15
thomjdub|piractical: next doors dsl?02:15
jdub|piracticalfie on my stinkin' upstream bandwidth, me hearties!02:15
jdub|piracticali be shippin' with me neighbour!02:16
jdub|piracticalthom: ahaye02:16
Kamionelmo: could you hurry this one through?02:16
jduband sshing back home, where the connection seems fine :|02:16
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thomok, crrent dailies are fine on amd64/i386/powerpc for me; only minor issue is the scrollkeeper spew which i know colin has already mentioned02:17
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Kamionyeah, current daily still has old gnome-applets02:18
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fabbioneKamion: do you have the new gnome-applets?02:19
fabbioneperhaps i can test the DVD, if you feel like updating it02:19
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KamionI'm not going to update the DVD just yet, 'cos it'll take ages and block the CD build02:20
fabbioneah ok02:20
fabbionei didn't know it was a blocker02:20
KamionI'll do it after the CD builds are all done, though02:20
Kamionwell, it's just insufficient locking/separation on cdimage02:20
KamionI think I can do Ubuntu and Kubuntu builds in parallel02:20
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Kamionbut I cannot do multiple Ubuntu builds at once, or multiple Kubuntu builds at once02:21
Kamiongnome-applets | 2.10.0-0ubuntu2 |         hoary | amd64, i386, ia64, powerpc, source02:21
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lamontKamion: which version of postfix is on the install CD these days, I wonder02:30
Kamionlamont: 2.1.5-9ubuntu102:30
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Kamionsabdfl: we have ubuntu-artwork source now, waiting for buildds02:33
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dholbach{ftp,mail}.gnome.org are online02:38
ogradholbach: havent been of afauk02:38
ograoff even02:38
dholbachah ok02:38
dholbachi see02:38
HiddenWolfwhy is gnome.org off?02:39
jdubno answer yet.02:40
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ograprobably the webmaster slipped on a banana peel.....02:42
ogra...there were a lot around these days02:42
sabdflKamion: thanks02:42
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sabdflwhile  we're waiting, Kamion, could you take a turn backing on:02:42
KamionI'm keeping little warmed up building kubuntu CDs02:43
sabdfllet's add in as much technical stuff as possible to the list02:43
Hannes_Gnome.org is changing looks for 2.10 release :P02:43
Hannes_or not02:43
dholbachubuntu-artwork built on i38602:44
jdubHannes_: that's mourning for europe.02:44
Treenakshas the final name for hoary+1 been chosen yet?02:44
sabdflTreenaks: yes02:44
thomTreenaks: cold turkey02:44
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jordiwoa, if it's a secret, I was veery close to talk too much :)02:45
lamontdholbach: and since it's arch: all, that's the only one that matters.02:46
Treenaksthom: :P02:46
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dholbachlamont: i imagined that, but didnt have a closer look :-)02:46
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sabdfljdub: when's the best time to announce the name for hoary+1?02:47
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jdubsabdfl: preview release announcement would be awesome02:47
jdubsabdfl: certainly better there than in the final release announcement02:48
sivangjdub: shouldn't we mention a word or two about gnome-app-install on the technical list?  (A pointy clicky way to install/remove new applications)02:48
jdubsabdfl: or do you want to do a separate one?02:48
jdubsivang: hrm, last i read we had a general install/update tools thing02:48
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sabdfljdub: yes, i'm happy with preview release, would also go in final release02:48
seb128_jdub: do we gave updated desktop files ?02:49
sabdflKamion: done with the announcement?02:49
jdubsabdfl: seems a bit "don't look now but..." for final02:49
jdubseb128_: not for preview02:49
jdubsivang: yeah, what's in there is fine02:49
seb128_k, so no need to point g-i-a02:49
sivangjdub: ok cool02:50
Kamionsabdfl: just made a couple more tweaks02:50
Kamionsabdfl: done for now02:50
sabdflseb128: could you take a turn on it?02:50
sabdfli'm playing "plone locking system" today02:51
sabdflcall me the BPL02:51
Kamionoh :-)02:51
jdubsabdfl: hrm, would be good to switch from 'their' to 'our'02:51
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ograbusy plone locker ?02:52
jdubsabdfl: seems more personal02:52
pittiogra: s/busy/big/ ?02:52
Kamionogra: analogy with BKL02:52
ograK ?02:52
sabdflthat's a trouble entendre if i ever saw one02:52
thombig kernel lock02:53
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sivangwhen are we expecting to release? I want to know when to spread over the local portals etc.02:54
Kamionsivang: currently aiming for 1900 UTC02:54
Treenakssivang: not to mention release parties :P02:54
sivangTreenaks: right :)02:54
sivangbtw, how would you explain "shrinkwrapped" cds?02:55
kokewhere is the source for release-notes??02:55
kokeare they going to be translated?02:55
sivang"..includes all of Debian as well as most of the packages of apt-get.org.." => is this referring to universe?02:57
Treenakssivang: yes02:58
sivangTreenaks: did the motus take many packages from there? :)02:58
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Treenakssivang: unknown. :)02:58
sivangTreenaks: this mention of apt-get.org was a surprising bit in the announcment draft02:59
abelliwhat package is ssh.h in?02:59
ograsivang: nope02:59
sivangabelli: apt-file search ssh.h02:59
BurgundaviaTo be more specific with this line - "To sign up for future announcements of this type" what about changing of this type to "about Ubuntu releases" or something similar02:59
sivangabelli: but you have to install apt-file first.02:59
Hannes_abelli: openssl-dev?02:59
Kamionssh != ssl03:00
Hannes_abelli: openssh-dev?03:00
Kamionno such package03:00
abellidont have it03:00
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abelliKamion, hello my friend.. -:)03:00
Kamionopenssh does not ship an ssh.h; there's an ssh.h buried in kdelibs4-dev03:00
Kamionusr/include/kde/kdesu/ssh.h                                 libdevel/kdelibs4-dev03:00
sivangabelli: kdelibs4-dev: usr/include/kde/kdesu/ssh.h03:00
=== ogra wonders how apt-get.org got in there
sivangKamion: ;-)03:00
Kamionbut that's all03:01
abelliok so no Pure package avaible..03:01
abellithank you all03:01
Kamion"Pure package"?03:01
TreenaksKamion: "libssh-dev"03:01
abellinot regarding KDE...03:01
KamionTreenaks: huh?03:01
TreenaksKamion: that'd be a clean package with ssh.h in it.. libssh-dev03:01
KamionTreenaks: but there is no openssh -dev package at all03:02
TreenaksKamion: but I think that's what he's looking for?03:02
KamionAFAIK no SSH implementation exposes its internals like that03:02
Kamionall ssh.h would give you, hypothetically, would be SSH protocol constants03:03
Kamionif you're competent enough to do anything with those, you're also competent enough to write the header file yourself :)03:03
abellithat's why i am asking it here: i'm not competent at all.03:03
Treenaksabelli: may we quote you on that one?03:03
abelli:) but i think that i'll just change the configure03:03
Kamionabelli: perhaps it would help if you said what you're trying to do03:03
abelliKamion, yeah right, i'm sorry, i'm trying to compile paranoy, which is03:04
abellian email client with crypto mailboxes and config files..03:04
abellireally nothing important, but before trying to package it i need to build it.03:05
abelliKamion, thank you03:05
=== sivang just added another bit to the preview release announce draft, but it probably needs rework a bit.
kokemako: is there a release-notes source .xml anywhere on the net?03:07
dholbachwww.gnome.org is back03:07
Kamionsivang: needs rather more technical detail03:07
KamionI feel03:07
ogradholbach: yay03:07
dholbachthey only have some "banana republic" warning on their front page03:07
Kamionmany people would say we are not multimedia-ready, because we don't support MP3 or whatever out of the box03:07
Kamionso maybe more backup for the buzzwords :-)03:08
sivangKamion: I thought of being breif and summing .03:08
Kamionsivang: see the top of the page03:08
KamionMarkShuttleworth -- I think this preview announcement should be aimed at the technical audience and include a much longer list of technical enhancements since Hoary. Go into the bling and the plumbing.03:08
Kamionabelli: ssh.h is a typo in configure, it's really looking for openssl/ssl.h03:09
sivangKamion: ok, I'll break those up to a list. :)03:09
Kamionabelli: so install libssl-dev03:09
Kamionsivang: and really I'd be inclined to leave out the multimedia bit03:09
abelliKamion, thank you03:09
sivangKamion: sure, whatever you say , Sir :)03:09
Kamionit's not an order, just a suggestion :-)03:09
fabbione"Dear Kamion the allmighty, i have some issues with ...."03:09
fabbionethis how we should address Kamion ;)03:10
sivangfabbione: hehe03:10
jdubor "duderino" for short :-)03:10
sivangfabbione: I tell him this in /msg , all the time :)03:10
fabbioneKamion: kernel-wedge || true doesn't exist anymore..03:11
fabbioneKamion: tested and verified03:11
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Kamionfabbione: hooray03:12
ograadded even03:12
Hannes_1601.10 < abelli> ok so no Pure package avaible..03:13
abelliHannes_, huh?03:13
ograKamion, thanks :)03:14
pittisabdfl: would you mind if I add a small note about derooting to DraftHoaryPreviewAnnouncement?03:15
Kamiondamnit, after all that waiting I got distracted03:15
Kamionprobably-preview CD images building now03:15
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Kamionand live cloops03:16
jdubgnome servers are up03:16
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jdubshould be out soon03:16
=== jdub hammers with plastic play tools.
sabdflpitti: i would *love* you to add a note about derooting03:16
pittisabdfl: I would *love* to do it :-)03:17
abellipitti, did you build the new -hardened?03:17
pittiabelli: sorry, not yet03:17
pittiabelli: I have to convert to 2.6.11 and review all Ubuntu patches for this03:17
abellipitti, YOU don't HAVE to be sorry03:17
pittiabelli: so this is non-trivial03:17
abellipitti, right.03:18
tsengabelli: when 2.6.11 is in, grsecurity should go on clean besides 2 patches03:18
tsengspender merged the bits fron, ppc64 and input fixes03:18
tsengim imagining ubuntu will merge them as well03:18
abelliyeah what about the rootly hole they found?03:18
tsengits fixed.03:18
abellino suicides? beautiful.03:19
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tsengif pitti doesnt find the time I'll try it once 2.6.11 is in universe03:19
tsengit should be much easier than .10, no fighting with the elf security fixes03:20
jordijdub: it's been great to hear you over the phone :P03:20
jordiI'm leaving London now, ttyl03:20
sabdflpitti: tell me when i can edit the preview announcement again please03:20
jdubjordi: ;-)03:20
pittisabdfl: just finished03:20
Kamionheh, language pack installation is amusingly O(n^2) on the live CD cloop builds03:21
pittitseng: once our kernel team finishes 2.6.11 final, it's a piece of cake to build the -hardened kernels03:21
tsengyeah it should be very easy03:21
Kamionmaybe locale-gen should grow an --only-new option or something03:22
pittitseng: the hard thing is to build a 2.6.11 kernel in the first place03:22
lamontKamion: heh03:22
lamontlivecd would love you03:22
tsengpitti: thats why we have fabbione :)03:22
Treenakstseng: and his Crack Team of Kernel Commandos03:22
zultseng: and the rest of us is chopped liver? :)03:22
fabbione2.6.11 is very very low priority for hoary guys03:23
tsengzul: yes.03:23
zultseng: oh ok03:23
sabdflelmo: "as well as most of the packages of apt-get.org"... are my pants on fire?03:23
jdubjdubtv! -> http://node.waugh.id.au/03:23
sivangsabdfl: yeah, we wondered about it03:23
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sivangsabdfl: :)03:23
jdubtseng: ugh, thanks03:24
jdubjdubtv! -> http://node.waugh.id.au:8800/03:24
sabdflwell, i did ask for it to be made so03:24
sabdflelmo: ?03:24
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pittitseng: what do you use for displaying the stream?03:24
tsengpitti: totem03:24
tsengjust append the address to the command line03:25
tsengor Open Location03:25
Kamionfirefox wants to use rhythmbox by default03:25
fabbionejdub: omg.. i couldn't remember you were so.. hairy03:25
sivangjdub: hey jdub :)03:25
jdubnot like a penguin03:25
fabbionei am gonna buy a webcam tomorrow03:26
carlosjdub: do you have screenshots of the new Ubuntu look?03:26
fabbioneany good suggestion?03:26
theineAre there any plans for updating the ipw2100 driver in the Ubuntu Kernel to the newest version (1.0.5)?03:26
tsengnot very good here jdub 03:26
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fabbionetheine: not for hoary03:26
zulyeah not quickcam03:26
jdubcarlos: one sec03:26
tsengon the sync03:26
sivangjdub: bah, I got the voice after you talk :)03:27
sivangjdub: what's the other display for ? :) (I see you looking over it all the time)03:27
sabdfltheine: what version do we currently have?03:27
theinesavdfl: 1.0.203:27
jdubsivang: big screen, close webcam03:27
=== sivang pats totem for being so fine :)
pittisivang: isn't "pat" corrent?03:29
Treenakspitti: both are :)03:29
Kamioneither would work with somewhat different meanings, "pat" would be more usual I think03:29
sivangpitti: hm, not sure :)03:29
jdubpat is correct in uk/au03:30
jdubpet is correct in USA03:30
pittiisn't "correct" correct...03:30
sabdflfabbione: could you look into theine's version issue for ipw2100 please?03:30
=== sivang always wondered the why the differences between all those "dialects" of english.
fabbionesabdfl: sure03:30
maswanjdub: Done at Wed Mar  9 15:30:15 MET 200503:31
sabdflalso ipw220003:31
jdubmaswan: rocking :-)03:31
sabdflthom: are you near elmo?03:31
fabbionetheine: what problems do you have with 1.0.2?03:31
jdubmaswan: has luis pinged you about the livecd?03:31
maswanjdub: I haven't heard anything. Currently, ftp.gnome.org will be happy to handle the load tohugh. :)03:31
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jdubmaswan: http://torrent.linux.duke.edu/gnome-livecd-2.10.torrent03:32
theinefabbione: not too severe ones actually, it's just that network-admin frequently hangs and the signal strength is not displayed correctly03:32
sivangjdub: we want to see some quality programming! I'd vote for a lugradio show over your place :)03:32
maswanjdub: ah, want an http source for that too on ftp.gnome.org?03:32
theinefabbione: Of course I'm not quite sure if that's an driver issue or not03:32
jdubmaswan: if you think it can handle it03:32
sivangjdub: *with* live video :)03:33
jdubsivang: live gnome release not good enough for you? :)03:33
sivangjdub: heheh, sure it does, the best :-)03:33
fabbionetheine: you can try building the 1.0.5 externally and see if it helps.. changing upstream version so close to release is quite dangerous because it might introduce more bugs than it fixes03:33
maswanjdub: Will take a while to get it from the torrent though03:33
Treenaksjdub: we want to have your terminal output scrolling as an overlay over jdub-tv!03:33
Treenaksjdub: WHILE you release gnome03:33
theinefabbione: I had some problems building 1.0.5 against the ubuntu kernel headers but I'll try again03:34
sivangTreenaks: wow that would be COOOOOL03:34
maswanjdub: current estimate is 2 hours.03:34
fabbionetheine: thanks03:34
Treenakssivang: exactly03:34
jdubmaswan: ok03:34
jdubmaswan: ping me when you have it, i'll add it to the mirror list03:34
maswanjdub: thanks, I will03:34
maswanjdub: Hm. got a bit more speed now, so it might get here sooner. we'll see. :)03:36
kokejdub: do you need more mirrors??03:37
kokedownloading at http://pulsar.unizar.es/~koke/mirror/gnome-livecd-2.10/03:37
maswanjdub: hmm.. will this be a one-off thing or will it be something more permanent that we could mirror?03:37
kokejdub: forget that, not enough free space :(03:38
sivangjdub: what was that? beer? :)03:39
jdubcarlos: http://people.ubuntu.com/~jdub/screenshots/ubuntu-hoary-preview.jpg03:40
thomsabdfl: nowhere close03:40
jdubmaswan: possibly more permanent03:40
carlosjdub: thanks03:40
jdubmaswan: but it will most likely be part of the ubuntu derivatives set later on03:41
sivangjdub: nice tune, and cool artwork!03:41
kentjdub, still defaults to the gnome icons for folders etc?03:41
Kamionjdub: the inner one seems to be the old theme03:41
maswanjdub: Ok, I'll just throw this into the temp/ folder then instead of creating a proper gnome-livecd folder etc.03:41
jdubKamion: hrm, nup03:41
jdubkent: yes03:41
maswanjdub: "temp" meaning that they do not have a proper updating mechanism etc03:42
fabbioneb/wind goto 103:44
jdubah bum03:47
jdubmissed one file in ubuntu-artwork03:47
Kamionok, I have to go help out ill fiancee03:47
Kamionjdub: no not say stuff like that03:47
fabbionejdub: you kidding?03:47
jdubKamion: not critical :-)03:48
Kamionwhat did you forget?03:48
jdubcursor theme definition03:48
jdubcan do update straight after preview though03:48
jdubno biggie03:48
Kamioninstall CD's building03:48
Kamionplease download and test when it's done03:49
KamionETA 20 minutes or so03:49
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fabbioneKamion: roger03:49
HiddenWolfjdub: is the old artwork still available? this looks rough03:50
jdubswitch to the industrial theme03:51
kokeHiddenWolf: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/u/ubuntu-artwork/03:51
kokeHiddenWolf: three versions there03:51
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sivangjdub: yeah, what was it?03:53
jdubnever mind03:53
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jdubyou can tell i'm concentrating or something03:53
HiddenWolfjdub: I can't find the industrial theme in the selector03:53
mpt_londo1HiddenWolf: That's not a bug, it's a feature!03:53
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HiddenWolfIs this the final theme for ubuntu hoary?03:56
kokewell, have to eat smth. bye, and happy hacking :)03:57
sivangjdub: eh, what a classic03:58
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jbaileyI discovered last night when trying to fix my wife's machine to boot without Internet access that single user mode is pretty useless when root doesn't have a password. =)04:02
pittijbailey: init=/bin/bash helps a lot :-)04:02
jbaileypitti: Yeah, I'm thinking from the perspective of possibly having to support people on these systems.  I was wondering if the script should be hacked to just drop to a rootshell without prompting for a password.04:03
jbaileyIf you've got that kind of physical access to the machine all bets are off for security anyway.04:03
jdubthat's what it did for warty04:04
maswanjdub: http://ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/temp/gnome-livecd-2.10/04:04
thomjbailey: it did for warty; has that been dropped?04:04
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jbaileyHer machine is running pretty-current Hoary, but it was an upgrade from Debian.  I'll check to make sure the changed init script isn't sitting as a .dpkg-new file.04:04
jdubmaswan: ta!04:05
thomjbailey: it's not a changed init script; it's a fix to sulogin04:05
schweeb_jbailey: I'm pretty sure that single user still asks for password in hoary04:05
pittijbailey: probably a good idea, yes04:06
schweeb_I could check, if you like04:06
jbaileythom: Ah?  Hmm, I see that in my script here.  I had always assumed it just fired up bash =)04:06
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thomjbailey: nup; does passwd checking then starts the shell04:07
lamontjbailey: that's what init=/bin/sh is for04:09
jbaileylamont: I'll make sure I refer the first support call where we don't have a password to the system and some 80 year old doing a first time linux install to you then. ;)04:09
thomjbailey: works for me04:09
theinefabbione: I have the same issues with ipw2100 1.0.504:09
lamontjbailey: heh/04:09
lamontyeah, phone support with that kinda sucks04:10
fabbionetheine: such as?04:10
thomjbailey: what is root's password in shadow set to?04:10
theinefabbione: such as network-admin hanging and wrongly displayed signal strength04:10
thomjbailey: ( i just rebooted to single user on a clean install and wasn't prompted for a password)04:10
fabbionetheine: so it doesn't solve the problem....04:11
jbaileythom: I'm not near the machine atm, I have no net connection at home.  I think I may have set it to * though, judging by what I have on this laptop.04:11
theinefabbione: no04:11
jbailey(which is also an upgrade for me)04:11
fabbionetheine: ok. thanks for testing tho04:11
theinefabbione: np04:11
thomjbailey: * and ! both work fine, *LOCK* will cause problems04:11
jbaileythom: Thanks.  now that I know that it's suppoed to work, I'll do some troubleshooting. =)04:11
fabbionetheine: i think we will stay with .2 for hoary. at least it is known to work as is04:12
Kamionlamont: can you check if all the cloops are done?04:12
theinefabbione: sure, that's probably a good idea04:12
lamontKamion: checking04:12
jbaileyMithrandir: Did doko talk to you about an ia64->i486 cross compiler?  He tried to get the three of us together last night, but it didn't work out.04:12
lamontKamion: no04:13
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Mithrandirjbailey: yes, and I'll just do it another way which is way less pain.04:13
Mithrandirjbailey: I'm telling myself that ia32-libs is temporary and multiarch is the right solution, so.. :)04:13
lamontKamion: you didn't happen to try to fire them off in parallel (on the same machine) did you?04:14
Kamionlamont: I did all four in parallel, yeah04:14
jbaileyMithrandir: 'kay.  Is the goal to eventually build cross compilers for the various target arch's?  With multilibs it should be dead easy, and gcc already likes having the TRIPLE-program setup.04:14
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Mithrandirjbailey: no, you need more than just a compiler.  I think multiarch runtime is a good start -- most apps won't need multiarch build-time as well04:15
lamontFailed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kdepim/ktnef_3.3.2-1ubuntu3_amd64.deb  Bad header line04:15
lamontall 4 architectures in parallel is fine04:15
lamontbut BuildLiveCD kubuntu & BuildLiveCD ubuntu & will verifiy the locking code...  they build in the same chroot04:16
lamontso one will wait/fail04:16
lamontKamion: I'll get both builds done on all 3 (that'll succeed) and let you know04:16
jbaileyMithrandir: True.  Years of Hurd hacking have left me with a strong desire to make getting a packaged cross-compiler alot easier.04:18
jbaileyMithrandir: The idea where you just install the libs and pass a parameter to debuild for gcc is kinda fun. =)04:19
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ronaldesaving a translation in rosetta fails with "A system error occurred." any clues?04:21
maswanjdub: oh, oops. http://ftp.gnome.org/mirror/temp/gnome-livecd-2.10/04:21
lamontKamion: i386 is in pass 2/2 in partimage, then will need to compress04:21
maswanjdub: same hosts, but still, that's more on-topic. :)04:21
jdubmaswan: ;)04:22
sabdflmaswan: what's that?04:22
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HiddenWolfjdub: is this artwork the final version for hoary?04:23
maswansabdfl: oh, it's the gnome livecd for the coming gnome release, perhaps we should be off in a more gnome-related channel for this. :)04:23
maswansabdfl: ftp.acc.umu.se, which I admin, is also known as ftp.gnome.org04:24
jdubluis's ubuntu-based gnome branded livecd04:24
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jdubHiddenWolf: not entirely04:25
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HiddenWolfjdub: i've got some usability issues with it, can I file bugs?04:26
Mithrandirjbailey: sure, and it should work.  You need support in the whole toolchain for it to work, though04:26
sivangbtw, does anybody know if anything advanced in the direction of having d-i translatable through rosetta?04:26
pittiyay, new daily CDs04:26
ronaldesaving a translation in rosetta fails with "A system error occurred." any clues?04:26
jdubof course04:27
lamontKamion: _ubuntu_ cloops are done everywhere04:27
Simiracarlos: a lot of people are complaining on that error ronalde is talking about04:27
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pittiKamion: are the 20050309.1 CDs the final candidates?04:27
jbaileyMithrandir: Yes, but a cross binutils is generally trivial to produce.04:28
lamontKamion: kubuntu: i386 compressing, amd64 installing kubuntu-desktop et al, ppc in debootstrap04:28
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Mithrandirjbailey: you need dpkg-cross too and if you want to do funky stuff, pkg-config with cross support and so on.04:30
carlosSimira: I know, and I have a patch already, mailing list and Rosetta's bts knows that already04:30
Simiracarlos: ok, I saw your answer on the thread, just seemed to still be a problem04:30
ronaldecarlos: is there an intermediate procedure to get translated stuff uploaded?04:30
sivangcarlos: any knowledge about when the installer will be translatable through rosetta?04:31
jbaileyMithrandir: Yeah.  I've worked with dpkg-cross a bunch, and in practice most of things I want a cross compiler for are bootstrapping toolchains and the bare essentials on another arch.    I can see it being a godsend for embedded targets, though.04:31
Mithrandirjbailey: absolutely.. would be nice for my WRT54GS, for instance.04:31
carlosSimira: it's just that there is a delay since I prepare a patch and it's applied to the server, that's all04:31
jbaileyMithrandir: Someone the other day was asking me for advice on porting Ubuntu to sh3 - He was running into problems building glibc in scratchbox.  Little things like that could be made so much easier.04:31
Mithrandirjbailey: I'm also quite excited about the stuff we can do with linux support in the BSD kernels, for Debian.04:32
carlosronalde: not sure, it depends on pitti accepting translations directly to the language packs or sending it to the maintainer of the package you are translating, none of them easy to maintain later04:32
makosabdfl: changes to the announcement look great04:33
fabbioneMar  9 15:27 hoary-install-i386.iso04:33
Mithrandir(port everything which really wants BSD, multiarch the rest)04:33
fabbioneis this the last one?04:33
pitticarlos, ronalde: if I get po files with translation domains, I can put them directly into the language packs04:33
carlossivang: no idea, when we finish the Rosetta changes we have been designed  recently, it should be soon, but I have said it too much times already...04:33
ronaldepitti: i'll send you the Dutch translation of gksu04:34
carlospitti: but they are going to be lost when we start using Rosetta, unless you upload them later04:34
carlospitti: please, remember that04:34
pitticarlos: is gksu already in Rosetta?04:34
ronaldepitti, carlos: yes04:35
pitticarlos: is there an easier way than the web interface to upload a po?04:35
ronaldepitti, carlos: https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/rosetta/products/gksu/gksu-1.2.2/04:35
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pittironalde: please upload them there04:35
pittironalde: I can download them from Rosetta04:35
carlospitti: current modules are not going to be reused for hoary, those are for upstream releases not Hoary ones04:35
ronaldepitti: i can' t thats the problem ...04:35
carlospitti: we have a bug atm that prevents the use of Rosetta, it's pending to get the patch applied04:36
pittironalde: please upload them later then04:37
pittironalde: I cannot upload new packs today anyway04:37
pittironalde: preview freeze04:37
ronaldepitti: i see, i wished to get it included in hoary04:37
pittironalde: no problem for the final04:38
carlosronalde: in theory, Rosetta will be on time to translate hoary04:38
ronaldecarlos: great!04:38
metallikopCould someone please explain why pbuilder wants to use older versions of the -dev packages?04:39
tsengmetallikop: is your pbuilder up to date?04:39
tsengit has its own apt cache04:39
metallikopoh oh , that'd be my problem then, haven't had any issues with it thus far04:39
tsengsudo pbuilder update04:40
tsengand have another go :)04:40
metallikophehehe, that'll fix it, i'm sure.04:40
tsengif you really need the newer depend.. you'll want to be sure to mark it as such in debian/control04:40
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metallikopthanks, all fixed now04:41
Kamionlamont: oh, sorry if I confused you, I only actually care about Ubuntu right now04:41
fabbionelamont: what's the status with LiveCD?04:41
Kamionlamont: I just said BuildLiveCD, no 'ubuntu'04:41
lamontKamion: ubuntu is all done04:41
Kamionyes, to those who asked, 20050309.1 is candidate04:41
lamontKamion: no args == 'ubuntu kubuntu'04:41
Kamionok, live CDs building04:42
Kamionlamont: oh, oops, will adapt04:42
lamontand kubuntu/ppc is generating locales04:42
lamontand if you try enough, then you run the ppc and amd64 machine out of disk space, and I have to slap you04:42
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fabbionehell! this cdrom doesn't read CD-RW04:44
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lamontfabbione: I hate it when I run into that...04:45
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Kamionmy bug reporters have many :P04:47
Mithrandiryou all live in the stone age. :P04:47
fabbioneok.. i can't find the other CD-RW.. i will test netinstall from cd :(04:48
mpt_londonfabbione: Is the error message nice and helpful?04:48
fabbionethat's all i can do atm04:48
fabbionempt_london: there is no error message.. when you boot from cd the bios says.. no bootable cd found04:48
fabbionebecause i can hear that is not reading it properly04:49
mpt_londonOh, and you can't file bugs against the bios04:50
mpt_londondang :-)04:50
Kamionlive CD candidates up, 20050309.104:51
zulyou can they will be ignored though :)04:51
tsengmako: ping?04:54
makotseng: yes04:56
tsengmay I msg for just a moment?04:56
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fabbionethere 2309209302932 CD and only 2 RW in there that i can use05:02
fabbioneof course i can't find them!05:02
zulheh the irony05:03
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fabbioneand the funny thing is that i have 590 DVD that i could use....05:03
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jbaileydaniels: ping?05:07
thomjbailey: asleep, i think05:07
jbaileyYeah, probably, but you can never tell with him ;)05:07
thom14:03 < daniels> night dudes ;-)05:08
thom2 hours ago05:08
fabbioneahh i might have found some other media.. 05:09
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thomjigdo is a work of art05:09
fabbionethom: my problem is not to rsyunc the cd05:10
Mithrandirfor some value of art including "huge amounts of crack"?05:10
fabbioneis to find proper media05:10
thomMithrandir: possibly05:10
thombut since i have a local mirror rsync seems like a huge waste of time05:11
jbaileyMithrandir: Modern art.  The kind you find in government funded museums. =)05:11
fabbionethom: i have both mirror of the pool and the cd images05:11
fabbionethom: a daily sync takes no more than few minutes05:11
thomfabbione: i used to, but it seems pointless05:11
Mithrandirjbailey: guess so. :)05:11
fabbionei am pretty sure less than jidgo05:11
Mithrandirjigdo can use the old .iso05:12
fabbionecan it?05:12
Mithrandiriirc, yes05:12
fabbionethere must have been a lot of water flowing under the bridges since last time i tested it05:12
Mithrandirfabbione: been there for ages, iirc05:13
thomuh, wrong keyboar05:13
fabbionethom: time to install Xmdx ?05:13
fabbionemeh Xdmx05:13
thomno, just time to stop reinstalling my desktop05:13
thomoh well, it just took jigdo 8 minutes to build 3 cds, so i'm not sure nightly rsyncs would win much if anything over that05:15
fabbione /mirrors/ubuntu-cd/hoary-live-i386.iso05:15
fabbionesent 162829 bytes  received 22426870 bytes  79401.40 bytes/sec05:15
fabbionetotal size is 540127232  speedup is 23.9105:15
fabbioneof course it depends a lot of bw you have05:17
fabbionei am ok with rsync05:17
fabbioneand offload my machine05:17
fabbionei am not one of these lucky bastards05:17
fabbionewith amd64 and 64GB of ram05:17
Kamionthom: hey, jigdo actually works still? cool. somebody complained it didn't.05:17
KamionI'd been meaning to test05:17
seb128jdub: is there a public archive for the devel version of g-a-i ?05:17
jdubin ross's arch repo05:18
fabbioneKamion: grub-install fail05:19
seb128jdub: k05:19
fabbioneKamion: grub-install /dev/hda05:19
fabbionebum 05:19
jdubseb128: burtonini.com/arch05:19
maswanMithrandir: Well, it _can_ use the old iso, but that involves non-obvious but somehwat documented trickery05:20
fabbionenope.. it doesn't recover05:20
thomit worked just peachily for last two dailies05:21
fabbioneoh this is WEIRD!05:21
fabbioneit's an IDE only machine.. partitioner saw the disk properly05:22
fabbionenow cat /proc/partitions05:22
fabbioneand it's all SCSI?05:22
fabbionesince when we can update IDE to SCSI via software?05:22
fabbionethat's a really cool feature05:22
fabbionezul: not that i am aware of...05:22
fabbioneit still makes people think that they have IDE and at end it is seen as SCSI05:23
zulthats weird05:23
thomthe new background is pretty sexy05:23
tsengthom: the new gdm is pretty not05:23
lamontKamion: installing on a multi-disk machine the other day, it wanted me to type in where to put the boot record...  the cute part was it suggesting hda, when the machine is SCSI...05:23
thomhrm, not sure i noticed or saw05:24
tsengit just makes the ubuntu logo 2x bigger05:24
Kamionlamont: grub-installer makes my head hurt, in general05:24
jdubtseng: gdm is not? it's the same apart from the logo05:24
thomyeah, the multidisk grub message is pretty darn awful :(05:24
tsengjdub: "not sexy"05:24
Kamionfabbione: we turned on LIBATA_ENABLE_ATAPI, or whatever it's called05:24
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jdubtseng: you don't like it?05:24
tsengno =/05:25
jdubyou're like05:25
fabbioneKamion: ah05:25
jdubthe only person in the entire world05:25
tsengi liked the nice subtle size05:25
Mithrandirmaswan: I thought it asked?05:25
fabbioneKamion: that can mostlikely break....05:25
Kamionfabbione: for #144005:25
Kamionfabbione: sabdfl override for #1440, we were running out of options05:25
tsengjdub: ill get over it :P05:25
maswanMithrandir: Oh, it did? Well, I've never looked that hard, since I've always had a package mirror close enough.05:25
thomyeah, it asks for an oldiso05:26
Mithrandirmaswan: how strange. ;)05:26
ogratseng: didnt you know ? it woll grow with each 1mio new users ;-P05:26
ograwill even05:26
tseng10000000 served05:27
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fabbioneKamion: ok....05:28
fabbioneanyway netistall wasn't too happy05:28
thomthat is one big ubuntu logo05:28
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fabbioneKamion: i got aptitude at base-config05:28
fabbioneand running manually the aptitude install ubuntu-desktop was ok05:28
fabbionei will have to check again05:28
thomjdub: two people in the entire world, now05:29
jdubthom: hrm05:31
jdubthom: too big?05:31
seb128jdub: are we going to have a new g-i-a in the archive soon ? Just wondering for the translations mail I'm writting. 05:31
jdubthom: can you sshot?05:31
seb128jdub: the translations should be sent to ross ?05:31
jdubseb128: unlikely05:31
jdubseb128: no, we should do them05:31
thomwhen this install run finishes05:31
jdubseb128: ross is away for two weeks05:31
seb128and we are not updating to a translated g-i-a soon ?05:32
jdubseb128: just focusing on gnome release atm05:32
mvojdub, seb128 : I already branched a archive, I can deal with it 05:32
seb128jdub: right, sorry05:33
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seb128mvo: I put your mail for update-manager/update-notifier/gnome-app-install translations ?05:33
mvoseb128: yes05:34
Kamionfabbione: base-config does 'aptitude install ~tubuntu-desktop', not just ubuntu-desktop05:35
mvojdub: I removed the "services" menu from my gnome-app-install branch (#7311). IIRC you said you don't want to use it for -final?05:35
Kamionfabbione: the Task headers in the archive are probably out of date; bug elmo to update them05:35
jdubmvo: later please :)05:35
mvojdub: we can talk later about it, I guess you are busy, sorry05:35
mvosure :)05:35
Kamionfabbione: so what should it have been, instead of /dev/hda?05:35
fabbioneKamion: i had to put /dev/sda but now i have a doubt that i will need to check again later05:36
fabbionei am not 100% sure it was hda in partitioner 05:37
fabbioneor sda05:37
fabbionei just read the partition numbers without too much care05:37
fabbioneif the 2 matches is ok05:37
fabbionebut if they don't than it's an issue for the user05:37
fabbioneYES this media can boot05:39
fabbioneKamion: testing cd install now05:39
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thomlooks good from here so far05:40
Kamionthat ide/scsi thing is kinda bad, not sure it should delay preview since we have no clue what it is, but we need to look at it for final05:41
KamionI have no scsi systems though05:41
fabbioneKamion: this is IDE05:41
Kamionor any that think they're scsi :) only an SATA system that works fine05:41
fabbionethe cdrom fails here05:41
fabbioneit fails loading the installer components05:42
Kamionhas it successfully mounted /cdrom?05:42
fabbioneKamion: can you give me the md5sum for the install iso?05:42
fabbioneKamion: checking05:42
fabbioneKamion: yes it is mounted05:42
Kamionfabbione: there's an MD5SUMS file next to the ISOs ...05:42
Kamion90fae3a5bc65db83d8fa8fe4aa8c0d8a  hoary-install-i386.iso05:43
thomthis is a mixed pata/sata system and it's great05:43
fabbione90fae3a5bc65db83d8fa8fe4aa8c0d8a  hoary-install-i386.iso05:43
fabbionelooks ok05:43
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fabbioneweird.. this is all weird05:44
fabbioneat the second read is ok05:44
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pittimdz, Kamion: 20050309.1 ppc/install on iBook G4 works fine05:46
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thomamd64 is locale-gen-of-justice'ing05:48
thomKamion: amd64 looks good for me05:49
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fabbioneKamion: forget about the IDE/SCSI thingy05:51
fabbioneit is ok05:51
Kamionfabbione: what went wrong the first time?05:52
fabbioneme reading partitioner05:52
fabbionethe hda/sda is on top05:52
fabbioneand i didn't even check it since there is only one disk05:52
fabbioneand i looked only at the partition numbers05:52
fabbionebut i knew that it was hda from the last installs i did05:53
Kamionbut did grub-installer not do the right thing by default?05:53
fabbione(it's the multiarse setup i am testing on)05:53
fabbioneKamion: grub did prompt to know to which partition or disk i wanted him to install the MBR05:53
Kamionoh, and you typed in the wrong thing by hand?05:54
fabbioneyes.. since i knew it was hda05:54
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Kamionheh, ok05:55
Kamionright, that's a relief05:55
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jdubgnome's shipped05:55
sivangjdub: yay!05:55
fabbionei am installing again via net05:55
fabbioneto see the second stage problem with ubuntu-desktop05:55
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Kamionelmo: you around? could you regenerate hoary's Task headers?05:57
fabbionethat would be helpful05:57
fabbionei can put the install in sleep for a little while :-)05:57
fabbionewhile i test the live CD05:57
fabbionethe first install cd doesn't go 05:57
fabbioneit must be a media problem05:57
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ograyeah, Celebrating the release of GNOME 2.10!05:58
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sivangogra: wheeee06:02
fabbioneKamion: i am sorry but i get the same error from the installer on the LiveCD06:03
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fabbionei doubt it is only a cd burning issue06:03
fabbione"Unable to load installer components"06:03
fabbioneand i am not doing anything weird.. just booting06:03
pittimdz, Kamion: 20050309.1 ppc/live on iBook G4 works great, too06:04
fabbioneand also on this machine (NON-SATA) my disk is now scsi06:04
pittinow I really have to run06:04
pitticu tomorrow06:04
fabbioneweird enough.. they are all intel chipsets06:04
pittijdub: congrats for 2.10 :-)06:04
jdubpitti: :)06:04
thomauto key guesser doesn't get a UK powerpc usb keyboard at all correct06:05
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thomit ended up asking me for a set of keys none of which i had06:06
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Kamionfabbione: please look through syslog and try to figure out why it's doing that06:08
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fabbioneKamion: i am working on it. don't worry :-)06:08
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fabbioneah i found one machine where it works06:09
fabbionethe other 2 have the same problem06:09
Kamionboth install-i386 and install-amd64 are going well for me so far06:10
fabbioneKamion: ok.. 2 things.. machine 1 & 2: boot from net -> ok. boot from cd -> nok. machine 3 is ok.06:10
fabbioneit's not really a GO for me06:10
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fabbionealso because this is pretty common hardware06:10
Kamioni386 on Averatec test laptop, amd64 on SATA disk / IDE CD06:10
Kamionfabbione: dude I can't do anything until you give me log details :)06:10
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fabbioneKamion: yes.. i am working on it :-)06:11
Kamionwe're also well past sabdfl's deadline for starting the final build for preview06:11
fabbionewell.. it's a preview06:11
Kamionso we may just have to diagnose issues as best we can and do Array 7 ASAP06:11
thomppc is installing core packages06:12
thomamd64 and x86 (same box) are go from here06:12
fabbionethom: do you have i386 to test?06:12
fabbionea plain i386?06:12
thomfabbione: amd64 in x86 mode06:12
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thomno difference06:12
Kamioni386 unpacking desktop, amd64 downloading language-support-de deps06:12
thomi can do a netboot on my laptop now i guess06:13
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fablivelive seems ok06:13
fablivelet's go back in debugging06:13
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fabbioneKamion: i found 3 possible reasons of failure06:21
fabbioneKamion: just a sec that i need to copy and paste manually06:21
fabbioneDEBUG: unable to find (libc6) ignored06:22
fabbionemain-menu: sed: Unsupported command T06:22
fabbionemain-menu: cat /proc/ide/*/media : No such file or dir06:23
fabbione(possibly due to the change to scsi)06:23
Kamionjdub: hm, no rounded window corners in Human?06:23
fabbioneanna[<pid>] ; WARNING **: parser_rfc822: lek! Don't find end of field, it seems to be after the end of line!06:24
Kamionfabbione: the sed T thing should be harmless; need to implement that in busybox, will probably do it pre-final06:24
jdubKamion: mark wanted the old wm theme, not the clearlooks one06:24
fabbioneanna[<pid>] ; ERROR: can't find packages file06:24
Kamionfabbione: hm, ok, does /cdrom/dists/hoary/main/debian-installer/binary-i386/Packages* look sane?06:24
jdubKamion: i expect that a bug will be opened about that, lots of people *love* the clearlooks wm theme06:25
fabbionemain-menu: Configuring 'load-cdrom' failed without error code 106:25
Kamionjdub: the wm thing seemed to be the biggest change in clearlooks; don't really get the point of switching otherwise :-)06:25
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jdubKamion: all the lovely widgets!06:25
fabbioneKamion: no. it's corrupted06:26
fabbioneapprox at 53%06:27
fabbionePackages: input-modules-blabla06:27
fabbionein the description06:27
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fabbioneand later too06:27
fabbionearound 60%06:28
lamont_rhow goes the RC?06:28
Kamionfabbione: that would be it then ...06:28
fabbioneKamion: does it look corrupted on your machine too?06:28
fabbionebecause the md5sum matches with the iso's06:29
fabbioneand both Live and install?06:29
Kamionthe /proc/ide/*/media thing is from a udev script, either ide-devfs.sh or scsi-devfs.sh06:29
Kamionfabbione: it's fine on mine or it wouldn't have installed successfully06:29
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fabbionezcat Packages.gz | more06:30
fabbionezcat: inflate error06:30
Kamionlooks fine here06:31
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Kamionmd5sum 24323b5da4533d415d1821cb7a3ded2406:31
fabbionechecking with a 3rd reader06:32
Kamion(of the Packages.gz file)06:32
fabbioneyes the md5sums of the iso's are ok06:32
mvo|livelive-cd looks fine here (boots, comes up with correct keyboard, X, sound, network). anything particular you want me to test?06:32
trukulofabbione, out (if you don't know)06:32
Kamionfabbione: check md5sum /cdrom/dists/hoary/main/debian-installer/binary-i386/Packages.gz06:32
fabbioneKamion: yes. doing that now06:32
fabbione24323b5da4533d415d1821cb7a3ded24  Packages.gz06:33
fabbionelooks ok!06:33
jdubOK: Checksums match, image is good!06:33
Kamionwhat was the gdm change people were complaining about?06:34
fabbionethis is so weird....06:34
Kamionit looks about the same to me06:34
thomKamion: the UBUNTU logo is ginormous06:34
lamont_rKamion: does the preview get a weekly-dvd?06:34
Kamionlamont_r: no06:34
fabbionei suspect some memory corruption due to the last changes06:34
fabbionesince on the machine where the file is ok06:34
fabbionethe cdrom is recognized as IDE06:34
fabbioneand not as SCSI06:35
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fabbioneelmo: sorry dude, did you update the task list?06:35
Kamionfabbione: live-i386 boots fine here, sorry I can't help more06:35
fabbioneKamion: don't worry...06:35
fabbionethat's the only thing i can think of06:35
fabbioneand it would definetely matches the only changes that have been done to the kernel06:36
fabbioneand that scares the hell out of me06:36
Kamionfabbione: yeah, could be libata screwage06:36
Kamionfabbione: IIRC zul mentioned libata had had some more work done to it in 2.6.1106:36
ogralamont_r, is that the semi official name for the preview ? (perky partypooper ?)06:36
Kamionlamont_r: mdz's decision :)06:36
lamont_rKamion: OK, then.  mdz is a party pooper.  I'll quote you on that. :-))06:37
lamont_rjust lack of testing time?06:37
fabbionedoes busybox implements md5sum?06:38
lamont_rfabbione: trying to decide which answer would confuse me more...06:38
Kamionfabbione: yes06:38
Kamionthom: seems ok here06:38
fabbionelamont_r ?06:39
lamont_rfabbione: on busybox/md5sum06:39
fabbionelibata is screwed06:40
fabbionemd5sum of Packages.gz via busybox is totally different06:40
Kamionyay :-/06:40
Kamionso I guess that's an errata item06:41
fabbioneunless somebody wants a fix on the fly06:41
fabbioneno correction06:41
fabbioneunless somebody wants to find and produce a fix on the fly06:41
zulbut it works on some and not on others?06:42
sivanghave we released yet? 06:42
Kamionsivang: no06:42
lamont_rfabbione: the "only change" was defining two config vars06:42
fabbionei am afraid that the others didn't even see the problem06:42
Kamionsivang: I told you we were aiming for 1900 UTC, it is now 174206:42
Kamionspeaking of kernel stuff, can we please please please revert that powerpc LEDs thing post-preview?06:43
sivangKamion: right sorry.06:43
jdubKamion: ugh, yeah06:43
jdubKamion: already getting complaints about it06:43
Kamionor make it switchable default off, but preferably just nuke it for hoary06:43
sivangwhen can we agree on the preview release announcment being final? I want to start transalte it :)06:43
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thomppc up to ttf-malayalam-fonts06:44
lamont_rwrt LED06:44
sivang(althought it can probably be left to about 30 minutes before release)06:44
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fabbionelamont_r: i am checking what these 2 vars do06:45
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fabbioneit can be a driver <-> scsi remapping thing06:45
fabbionenot necessarely a bug in libata06:46
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Nafallofabbione: got time for a question about 2.6?06:46
fabbioneNafallo: sorry but i am very busy atm06:47
lamont_rabout 5 min, and I must go fetch kid.06:47
Nafallofabbione: that's okey :-).06:47
lamont_rKamion: the fact that she's sick seemed (to her) insufficient reason to miss the nationa latin exam...06:48
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Keihey google www.otomotivshow.com 06:48
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jdubhrm, my cd burners are all unhappy today06:49
thomPPC is a GO!06:51
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Kamionlamont_r: heh06:52
thomlamont_r: new install:06:54
thomMar  9 17:53:37 localhost postfix/local[9097] : fatal: open database /etc/aliases.db: No such file or directory06:54
thomMar  9 17:53:38 localhost postfix/master[7122] : warning: process /usr/lib/postfix/local pid 9097 exit status 106:54
thomMar  9 17:53:38 localhost postfix/master[7122] : warning: /usr/lib/postfix/local: bad command startup -- throttling06:54
lamont_rthom: see 6232, iirc06:54
lamont_rfixed in -9ubuntu2, scheduled to upload tonight, after the preview ships06:55
fabbionewho has a piix chipset handy? meaning that you can try stuff on it?06:55
lamont_rthom: very interesting interactions between base-installer (et.al.) and postfix's postinst06:55
lamont_r  * On initial install, make sure that /etc/aliases.db gets created.06:56
lamont_r    Closes: Ubuntu#2683, Ubuntu#6232 (debian #293889)06:56
mdzgood morning07:01
thomhey matt07:01
mdzwhat's on the menu?07:02
fabbioneKamion: we might have a fix...07:02
Kamionlooking pretty good so far, apart from a libata regression reported by fabbione07:02
fabbioneit's only on piix chipset07:02
fabbionewe are isolating and taking a decision on what to do07:02
mdzoh good, new kernel, we hadn't changed that one yet :-P07:02
KamionI doubt we'll try to fix it for preview07:03
Kamionmdz: everything else is in, built, tested though07:03
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lamont_rback in about 45 minutes07:03
fabbioneKamion: we actually can07:03
fabbioneit's a 2 line revert a patch for sabdfl 1440 override07:03
fabbioneor we can sabdfl what he prefer :-)07:03
Kamionthat breaks other systems07:04
fabbionesilent data corruption..07:04
mpt_londonhere comes the sab07:04
Kamionfabbione: we could, but any rebuild now takes us way past the deadline07:04
sabdflhi all07:04
fabbioneKamion, mdz: your call07:04
sabdflwhere are we?07:04
mdzfabbione: you can reproduce the bug?07:04
fabbionemdz: yes, on 2 boxes07:05
fabbionei found it07:05
T-Bonehey sabdfl07:05
mdzthat patch fixed unable-to-install problems for a lot of users07:05
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sabdflmdz, Kamion, fabbione: what's the status please07:05
mdzsabdfl: I just got here, catching up myself07:05
fabbionemdz: the other introduces silent data corruption and mostlike another bunch of "i am unable to install" users07:05
mdzsabdfl: fabbione has found a kernel problem07:05
sabdflok. AIUI the kernel we are about to ship still has 1440?07:06
mdzsabdfl: no, it has 1440 fixed07:06
Kamiona kernel rebuild now pushes us way into tomorrow UTC, and simply exchanges bugs for bugs07:06
T-Bonemdz: as i said on #u-kernel: i think it's not a good thing to introduce yet another untested "fix". Reverting to the previous situation were some users couldn't install but others were safe seems preferable, for 'preview' timeframe07:06
mdzsabdfl: and fabbione says that the fix introduced a bug07:06
fabbionesabdfl: no. it has the fix for 1440 that introduces another bug07:06
fabbionesabdfl: like I/O corruption. for what i can see only on CDROM07:06
T-Bonemdz: after preview we'll have more time to find a better solution07:06
fabbionesabdfl: but it means another set of people won't be able to install07:06
fabbionenot even to see the LiveCD07:07
Kamionmy feeling is that it is too late to revert for preview07:07
mdzhow are you guys certain that this is caused by that patch?07:07
fabbionemdz: 99,9%07:07
mdzhow, not how much07:07
fabbionebecause both these machines have piix controllers07:07
fabbioneand the change to ATA_ENABLE_PATA07:07
sabdflfabbione: do you have a fix for the new problem? has this been discussed and solved upstream or elsewhere?07:08
fabbioneadds 4 pci ids to the list of ata_piix.c07:08
fabbionethat matches the 2 machines i have07:08
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fabbioneas a result my ide disks are recognized as scsi07:08
Kamionwould using some other module instead work around the problem?07:08
fabbionebooting from the normal kernel (as IDE)07:08
fabbioneeverything works fine07:08
mdzthis patch has been in our kernel for over a month07:08
Kamionas in, could we monkey-patch modules.pcimap or something? :-)07:09
fabbionesabdfl: i discovered it 1 hour ago Mark.. working with the others..07:09
Kamionright now anything is preferable to a kernel rebuild07:09
T-Bonemdz: the libpata enable? No. 2 weeks at max07:09
mdz  * Enable ATAPI support in libata [Chuck Short <zulcss@gmail.com>] 07:09
mdz    Patch: enable_atapi_ata.dpatch07:09
mdz    Closes: #144007:09
mdz -- Thibaut VARENE <varenet@debian.org>  Tue, 01 Feb 2005 19:56:33 +010007:09
fabbionemdz: no it's very recent..07:09
mdzT-Bone: is that not when you uploaded that kernel?07:09
fabbioneit was introduced while i was away07:09
fabbionethat means between the 17th of Feb and no07:10
jbaileyT-Bone: The changelog entry says 1 Feb, which has got to be way wrong.07:10
fabbionesabdfl: a possible fix would be to revert the change for preview and reopen 144007:10
mdzhmm, yes, the changelog is not right07:10
T-Bonemdz: if it's -25, it's one or two weeks old07:10
mdzit was built on 2005-03-0207:10
mdzT-Bone: why is the date wrong in the changelog?07:10
fabbioneso a week ago07:10
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T-Bonemdz: no clue07:10
mdzsabdfl: reverting the patch means missing our date07:11
Kamionmdz: bad clock on build machine probably07:11
T-Bonemdz: in any case, if taking action on the kernel means missing our date. we're in hell07:11
sabdflthis is a bug that has bitten us again and again07:11
fabbionemdz: that's for sure.. it will need another round of testing everywhere07:12
sabdfli've personally encountered it when demonstrating warty to potential hardware oem partners07:12
Kamionfabbione: forget that, even just the build time practically takes us into tomorrow07:12
mdzI think we should go out with the kernel we have07:12
sabdflany high end new machine has all-SATA drives, and pata cdroms, right?07:12
fabbioneKamion: exactly...07:12
T-Bonemdz: the shortest path solution to that problem is reverting the patch. It needs 2 lines, and a set of builds07:12
mdzand tackle this bug after preview07:12
T-Bonemdz: that way we're back to known state07:12
KamionT-Bone: that's not a shortest path07:12
T-Boneand not tempting anything dangerous07:12
KamionT-Bone: it is minimum 6 hours07:12
fabbionemdz: i am afraid of one thing only...07:13
mdzT-Bone: I'm not convinced that the old state is better, and as I said, that's going to make us miss our release date07:13
T-BoneKamion: i don't see anything shorter07:13
fabbionemdz: right now i saw cdrom I/O corruption07:13
KamionT-Bone: listing it as an errata item07:13
sabdflmdz: so the current kernel does not have 1440, but has a new bug that affects an unknown number of machines?07:13
fabbionemdz: allow me to run some tests on the disks07:13
mdzsabdfl: correct07:13
fabbionemdz: just be sure we are not going to trash anything else07:13
T-BoneKamion: hell of an errata :(07:14
mdzfabbione: by all means07:14
sabdfldo we know which has the fewer number of affected machines? does it only affect a subset of the machines that 1440 affects, for example?07:14
fabbionei had say approx 40 minutes of bonnie or md5 to stuff07:14
mdzsabdfl: we have no reasonable data for that; there isn't time07:14
fabbionesabdfl: everybody that has a piix controller with the following pc ids:07:14
Kamionsabdfl: so far piix is the only chipset from which we've had a reported problem07:14
Kamionto my knowledge, anyway07:14
mdzsabdfl: it affects an entirely different set of machines07:14
sabdflit's very common07:14
fabbione#ifdef ATA_ENABLE_PATA07:14
fabbione        { 0x8086, 0x7111, PCI_ANY_ID, PCI_ANY_ID, 0, 0, piix4_pata },07:14
fabbione        { 0x8086, 0x24db, PCI_ANY_ID, PCI_ANY_ID, 0, 0, ich5_pata },07:14
fabbione        { 0x8086, 0x25a2, PCI_ANY_ID, PCI_ANY_ID, 0, 0, ich5_pata },07:14
Kamionmight be worth trawling the mailing lists for reports since array 607:14
fabbioneso anybody using cdrom from that chipset = BUUM07:14
mdzI really don't feel that we have a choice07:15
Kamionif it's only cdrom, it will not lose people's data07:15
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jbaileyfabbione: But only if they happen to get the ata_piix driver loaded instead of piix, right?07:15
mdznobody spotted this in the past week, that we know of, and we are _out of time_07:15
fabbioneKamion: i really want to be sure07:15
T-Bonefabbione: it's worse than that. It's not 'buum', it's silent corruption. Very hard to figure out for the average user07:15
fabbioneT-Bone: right.. 07:15
mdzKamion: is the current set of CDs our best candidate, apart from this bug?07:15
mdzKamion: it has all the grumble last-minute artwork changes?07:16
Kamionmdz: right07:16
sabdflmdz: and we don't have a known-good fix, so delaying doesn't really help, we either get 1440 back or this new thing back07:16
T-Bonesabdfl: correct07:16
sabdflmdz: let's release07:16
mdzI'd sort of like to test the release first07:16
fabbionesabdfl: please allow me to run some disk I/O tests first07:16
fabbionesabdfl: we must be 100% that the bug affects only cdrom07:16
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mdzfabbione: please do07:17
fabbionewe don't want to destroy people data for a mistake07:17
sabdflok. how about defer decision for a specific time, say 3 hours, to do tests07:17
KamionI suppose Message-Id: <20050304045649.64C6887@orb.sasl.smtp.pobox.com> is similar07:17
mdzI'm going to do around of install+live testing07:17
mdzI need <1 hour07:17
fabbionesabdfl: i am already running the tests.. i had say one hour?07:17
sabdflin the meanwhile, mirrors are running, and we can ask people to help us test07:17
sabdflcan we get -devel to help out?07:17
sabdfl"here is the candidate, we have a potential erratum on cdrom corruption, please test and send feedback to this email address before 21h00 UTC"07:18
tseng-devel responses pan out over days07:18
T-Bonethe best channel is here07:18
T-Boneit has the lowest latency of all07:18
thommight be worth asking in #ubuntu if anyone has piix mobos07:18
thomor controllers07:18
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sabdflKamion: is there an iso we can point people at immediately?07:18
mdzfabbione: is DMA  enabled on your CD-ROM in d-i by any chance?07:19
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mdzsabdfl: yeah, the stuff in the topic07:19
T-Bonewe should warn in big letters of the potential dangers07:19
Kamionwe've actually had several reports of new problems on array 6, but none of them mentioned the chipset07:19
Nafalloonly s-ata computers, right?07:19
sivangoops, wasn't here for sometime, what is the bug needs testing?07:19
KamionI'm trying to find each of them and follow up now07:19
sivang(and could it possibly corrput)07:19
mvothom: I have a test-system with PIIX4 ...07:19
Kamionthere's a report of a problem on an old 233mhz laptop; would something of that vintage have piix?07:20
T-BoneKamion: yes07:20
mdzseb128: I just had my panel crash again, when gaim failed to connect to jabber07:20
mdzI was a moron though and didn't get a backtrace07:20
jbaileyKamion: My p3 900mhz laptop has piix, so it might.07:20
sabdflpiix has been around forever07:20
mdzI clicked through it because I was in the middle of something07:20
mdzjbailey: can you test?07:20
KamionI found three reports07:21
Kamionbut I can't say for sure that they're the same bug07:21
jbaileymdz: Yes, but I'm trying to get an answer to my driver question.  I've asked twice with no answer. =)07:21
thommvo: can you test current preview on that machine and see if you have problems/07:21
mvoI think I see this problem here. my cdrom/disks are detected as scsi and installation fails with "can't get stuff from cd"07:21
Kamionsabdfl: do we have mirrors running?07:21
fabbionemdz: i didn't check. i can do it now07:21
mvo(this is a p2/400, pretty old machine)07:21
sabdflKamion: i believe so... is the image on releases.ubuntu.com?07:21
Kamionsabdfl: no, because it is not released07:22
KamionI need a go-ahead for that07:22
seb128mdz: weird. I'm trying to play with gaim/jabber07:22
KamionI also want to test on powerpc first; about to do so07:22
sabdflok, i thought we might be putting it somewhere as a .file which we could then just symlink to07:22
sabdflmaking the final mirror trivially fast07:22
sabdflcan we do that for the final release?07:23
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Kamionyes, I can do that now too, er probably07:23
Kamiontest cycles tend to leave me in a slightly awkward situation machine-wise :-)07:23
mdzseb128: jabber is flaky today, so hopefully it will happen again07:23
Kamionand I don't actually have any script support for that yet so I'll do it by hand07:24
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mvook, I have a system that is affected. how can I help now ?07:24
trukulogaim works well here07:24
sivanghere also07:24
trukulowith last hoary package07:24
Nafallowhat do I need to test, an up2date hoary kernel?07:25
mdzthe amd64 live CD still has the old artwork?07:25
martinkseb128, poppler 0.1.2 announce mail: "... plus the cairo version we check for now actually works with poppler" ;-)07:25
seb128martink: nice07:27
mdzmvo: :-(07:27
mdzmvo: I thought you tested the live CD earlier today07:27
mvomdz: yes :( anything I can do now? any workarounds I could try? 07:27
mdzmvo: we haven't changed anything since then07:27
mdzin the kernel07:27
mdzmvo: or are you talking about the jabber problem?07:28
mvomdz: yes :( I thought my cdrom in my old test-machine07:28
mvomdz: on my "real" system live-cd works fine07:28
mdzmvo: so you are testing in a different machine than earlier?07:28
mvomdz: I now tested on a older machine (p2/400) 07:28
mvomdz: on my desktop (k7) everything is fine07:28
mdzmvo: what does hdparm on the cdrom say?07:29
mdzmvo: on the machine which experiences the bug?07:29
mdzlangpack upgrades are broken07:29
mdzand pitti is gone07:29
mvomdz: IO_support = 0, readonly=0, readahead=256, HDIO_GETGEO failed07:30
trukulomdz, i've got problems with langpack, removing it and installing again solved the problem07:30
mdztrukulo: yes, it's buggy07:30
seb128mdz: what is broken with langpack ?07:30
mvomdz: I'm really angry about myself because I did test the cd earlier today in this old machine but I suspected a broken cdrom :(07:30
trukulomdz, i know, it's a file included in langpack and langpack-base collisioning07:31
Kamionmdz: amd64 live CD is up-to-date here; I'm running it now07:31
trukulobut if i remove them, and install again, it works07:31
fabbionemdz: no DMA enabled07:31
mdzgah, I missed an rsync step07:31
fabbionemdz: and i can't turn it on with libata07:32
fabbioneit complains that it is an invalid IOCTL07:32
Kamionsabdfl: I'm putting them in .pool now07:32
KamionI'll have to do some grotty removing to stop them showing up in cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/ though07:33
Kamionbut that's ok07:33
sabdflKamion: if they had .filenames, would they show up in HTTP and FTP LS?07:33
Kamionsabdfl: no07:34
Kamionsabdfl: really I'd rather just remove them from cdimage, it's too complicated otherwise07:35
Kamionthey can still go on releases.ubuntu.com/.pool/ which is what you wanted07:35
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sabdflreleases.ubuntu.com should get lots more mirroring long term07:37
sabdflso my thought was to stick them in .pool there as we get close to release07:38
sabdflthen on the last day it's just a question of creating the symlink to that07:38
Kamionyes, that's what I'm going to do now07:38
sabdflthen, when we release final, we remve preview07:38
fabbioneKamion: is there anyway to ban a module from being loaded ?07:38
fabbionelike an anna option or something?07:38
Treenaksbug on releases.ubuntu.com: clicking the "warty" link links to a page with the title: Ubuntu 5.04 (Hoary Hedgehog)"07:38
sabdfland we can still point people at the url with the .pool filename for testing just before the release07:38
Kamionfabbione: er I can't check right now, could you check the anna source please?07:38
mdzfabbione: you think we can use ide-generic instead or something?07:38
fabbionemdz: i am checking if removing the modules from /lib/<kernel>/ helps07:39
fabbioneKamion: not atm...07:39
Kamionsabdfl: that doesn't work so well, hoary/hoary-preview-*.iso is a *symlink* to .pool/whatever07:39
Kamionsabdfl: so we have to rely on mirrors mirroring hard links properly, and I have no idea if they do so at the moment07:40
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Kamionfabbione: generally I rm the thing07:40
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Kamionfabbione: the wonderful world of hotplug hardware detection means that the installer has very little opportunity to intervene otherwise :-P07:40
Kamionsabdfl: let's talk about this outside a release panic07:41
KamionTreenaks: will fix in a sec07:41
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sabdflKamion: i did mean symlink07:41
sabdfland said symlink too07:41
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Kamionsabdfl: yeah, but if you have hoary/hoary-preview-*.iso symlink -> .pool/hoary-*.iso then you can't update .pool/hoary-*.iso or the preview ISO that people see will change07:41
fabbioneKamion: checking that too :(07:42
sabdflKamion: i figured to have a spare, unlinked iso in .pool07:42
Kamionsabdfl: like I say let's talk about this outside a release panic, when I have a chance to think about it :-)07:42
sabdflKamion: ok07:42
mdzcan we hold off on changing the mirror layout and focus on the showstopper bugs in the preview release?07:42
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Kamionfabbione: there might be /etc/hotplug/blacklist too, but that's not per-pci-id07:43
fabbionebrb.. dinner is ready07:43
mdzlamont: ping07:44
mdzmvo: can you try fabbione's test?07:45
mdzmvo: see if suppressing the loading of the module works around the problem?07:45
mdzmvo: and do you have Martin Pitt's telephone number?07:46
mdz(or anyone else)07:46
mvomdz: I will try to supress the module loading07:46
Kamionisn't it on the canonical wiki?07:46
mdzKamion: no07:46
mdzah, it is on the business card list though07:47
mvomdz: should I call him?07:47
mdzmvo: yes, please get him online ASAP07:47
lamontmdz: ack07:47
mvomdz: calling07:47
mdzlamont: do you have a PC with a PIIX chipset?07:48
Kamionsabdfl: syncing .pool out to syncproxy,auckland,mirnyy now07:49
lamontmdz: what's the best way to tell?07:49
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mdzlamont: lspci07:50
ogralamont: or look if the module is loaded07:50
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lamont00:04.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 IDE (rev 01)07:50
lamontlike that?07:50
jbaileylamont: The module on my laptop appears as piix, on my sata box as ata-piix07:50
lamontogra: that particular machine happens to be the mail server07:51
mvomdz: not reached on mobile and normal phone, will try again in 10 minutes07:51
ogralamont, ouch07:51
=== lamont watches the other likely-candidate finish booting
schweebmdz: something wrong with piix?  I have one too if you need something tested07:52
mdzlamont: yes, please get a copy of the latest live CD for testing07:52
mdzschweeb: yes, CD-ROM drives attached to those controllers seem not to work07:52
=== ogra just got an old i386 piix laptop back today ... but no iso yet.... :(
mdzschweeb: if you can get a copy of the latest live or install image, it would help us with testing07:52
lamont   214515339  39%    1.08kB/s   83:42:2607:52
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schweebmdz: http://archive.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily-live/20050309.1/ that the newest?07:53
jbaileyLooks like we're all having the same speed issues to cdimage07:53
mdzschweeb: /daily-live/current/07:53
lamontjbailey: seb128 uploaded everything, so it's a huge beast07:54
mdzjbailey: Kamion is updating the mirrors right now I think07:54
Kamionright, they just finished07:54
schweebalright... tell ya in about an hour07:54
jbaileyCAn anyone other than fabionne currently reproduce the problem at all right now?07:54
Kamionsabdfl: synced; know of any mirrors that can be kicked?07:54
mdzmvo: were you able to leave messages for him?07:55
KamionTreenaks: fixed your index issue now, thanks07:55
mvomdz: no, no answer phone, I'll send him a SMS now07:55
tsengwho is in charge of the new "about ubuntu"?07:56
mdztseng: doc team07:56
lamont0000:00:0f.1 IDE interface: ServerWorks OSB4 IDE Controller07:56
tsengthe title doesnt show on the sidebar in yelo07:56
tsengoff to search bugs07:56
mvoKamion: is there a way to supress the loading of certain modules on the cd boot-prompt? (sorry if that was discussed before)07:56
Kamionmvo: no07:57
sabdflKamion: thats elmo's department07:57
Kamionhotplug makes that practically impossible for the installer to control in any sane way, AFAICT07:57
sabdflhow do i look to see if my computer is a candidate for the problem?07:57
Kamionsabdfl: lspci | grep -i piix should be a start07:57
Kamionmvo: you have to rm the module before it gets a chance to load it07:58
mvoKamion: it's loaded before I have the chance even when running as expert :(07:58
sabdflneither box will help07:58
mdzmvo: a good way to do it is to use the install CD, and switch consoles at the hostname dialog07:58
Kamionmvo: boot init=/bin/sh07:58
Kamionmdz: that won't help if the module is in the initrd07:58
Kamionmvo: then rm the module and exec /sbin/init07:59
tsengmdz: huh, can I close 7310?07:59
jdubmorning whiprush 07:59
mdzKamion: I thought you arranged for it not to be loaded until "detecting disks and all other hardware"07:59
mdztseng: is it a preview-critical issue?07:59
Kamionmdz: nope, don't see a sensible way to do that without killing e.g. CD-ROM detection07:59
tsengmdz: no, its fixed07:59
mdzah, right07:59
Kamionand it is kind of nice to have the modules loaded early if possible - *usually*08:00
mdztseng: can we talk about it tomorrow?  we're in crisis mode here08:00
tsengok sorry.08:00
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mdzschweeb: can you try what Kamion described above?08:00
ogramany people seem to have issues with the theme upgrade ?08:00
jdubogra: two08:00
schweebmdz: which thing?08:01
tsengogra:you will always find someone to resist a change08:01
mvoKamion: ok, deleted, what now?08:01
Kamionmvo: exec /sbin/init and continue08:01
ograjdub: HiddenWolf showed me a screenshot before....it were plain gtk widgets, somehow clearlooks didnt get insalled for him08:01
sivangogra: yes I also had it, like disturbed picture of the windows etc.08:01
Kamionogra: update-manager doesn't do dist-upgrade08:01
ograah, ok08:01
mdzschweeb: boot with init=/bin/sh08:01
mdzschweeb: rm the piix module08:02
ograthanks again, Kamion 08:02
mvoogra: and the version pending has a warning if it detects that a dist-upgrade is needed08:02
mdzschweeb: then exec /sbin/init08:02
mdz(on the install or live CD)08:02
Kamionand new ubuntu-artwork does not depend on gtk2-engines-clearlooks08:02
mdzKamion: is that a bug?08:02
jdubKamion: uuuuggghhh08:02
Kamionmdz: judging from jdub's reaction I'd say "maybe" ;)08:02
jdubKamion: but u-d does, so, not to scary08:02
schweebmdz: will do, give the results in about an hour08:02
jdubnot too08:02
Kamionjdub: quite bad if it actually needs it; 'apt-get upgrade' will break otherwise, since ubuntu-artwork will be upgraded but not ubuntu-desktop08:03
Kamionor, for that matter, update-manager08:03
HiddenWolfogra: i didn't dist-upgrade, artwork doesn't depend on clearlooks, but desktop does, I think.08:03
lamontgah.  even unthrottled at my end, it's 2 hours to finish the downlaod.08:03
lamonttime to visit the neighbor08:03
schweebmdz: shall I try it without that first to see if my cdrom works?08:03
jdubKamion: yeah, for people who don't have u-d, it sucks08:03
jdubis it worth the upload?08:04
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Kamionjdub: even for people who do have u-d it sucks.08:04
ograHiddenWolf: yep08:04
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Kamionjdub: because if they have an old u-d it will simply be held back08:04
lamontback online in about 10-15 minutes08:04
Kamionmdz: what PCI ids are involved here?08:04
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mdzKamion: fabbione pasted them a ways back08:04
jdubKamion: upgrade won't work, but dist-upgrade will, right?08:04
sivangKamion: then we should add this the the depends of -artwork no?08:04
jdubsivang: yes, there is no question about that08:04
mdzMar 09 10:18:34 <fabbione>      #ifdef ATA_ENABLE_PATA08:05
mdzMar 09 10:18:35 <fabbione>              { 0x8086, 0x7111, PCI_ANY_ID, PCI_ANY_ID, 0, 0, piix4_pata },08:05
mdzMar 09 10:18:35 <fabbione>              { 0x8086, 0x24db, PCI_ANY_ID, PCI_ANY_ID, 0, 0, ich5_pata },08:05
mdzMar 09 10:18:35 <fabbione>              { 0x8086, 0x25a2, PCI_ANY_ID, PCI_ANY_ID, 0, 0, ich5_pata },08:05
mdzMar 09 10:18:35 <fabbione>      #endif08:05
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Kamionah yes, and modules.pcimap lists *both* ata_piix and piix for those08:05
Kamionso there is hope08:05
Kamionjdub: right08:05
Kamionjdub: really nothing else can ever rely on ubuntu-desktop's dependencies for anything much, even if u-d is installed08:05
jdubKamion: so i can fix that straight after preview08:05
Kamionjdub: yep08:05
schweeb0000:00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801CAM IDE U100 (rev 02)08:06
schweebthat's the PCI ID of mine if that helps08:06
Kamionschweeb: that's not a PCI id, you need to use 'lspci -n' and find the corresponding line08:07
Kamionwith 0000:00:1f.1 at the beginning08:07
schweebwhoops, meant to do that, sorry08:07
schweeb0000:00:1f.1 0101: 8086:248a (rev 02)08:07
Kamionschweeb: is that broken?08:07
Kamionpcimap only lists piix for that08:08
schweebthought piix was the offending module?08:08
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Kamionschweeb: only certain ones we think; however, if you could try it out anyway, we'd be very grateful indeed08:09
zulhold on i have ata_piix loaded on my pc08:09
Kamionschweeb: if our current hypothesis holds, your machine should be OK08:09
Simirais anyone from Ubuntu going to "The gathering", in Norway in the Easter?08:09
schweebKamion: alright... downloading the livecd for testing now... the drive worked fine from array 5, if that's any indication08:10
mdzexecutive decision08:10
mdzpreview is going out tomorrow08:10
Kamionschweeb: array 6 would be an indication08:11
Kamionarray 5 predates this change08:11
ogramdz :(08:11
Kamionalthough it is a useful control08:11
mdzzul: are you here?08:11
zulmdz: yes08:11
Kamionso are we changing this in the kernel, or in hotplug?08:11
Kamions/in hotplug/hacking hotplug/08:11
mdzzul: can you do an upload to revert the patch from #1440?08:11
Kamionmdz: can I suggest an alternative?08:12
mdzKamion: to which?08:12
Kamionmdz: a total revert08:12
zulI dont have access to main08:12
Kamionmdz: we could instead just stop those PCI ids showing up in ata_piix08:12
Kamionwhich is a two-line kernel patch08:12
mvoKamion, mdz: removing the module works so far. it gives a ugly error message at startup, but otherwise it is ok so far (install-cd)08:12
mdzKamion: hmm08:13
Kamionsince so far it sounds like only piix is affected, and this way we don't have to revert the whole thing08:13
mdzKamion: so the change is actually causing a different module to be loaded for these controllers?08:13
mdz(one which doesn't work)?08:13
Kamionmdz: yes, ata_piix gains three PCI ids #ifdef ATA_ENABLE_PATA08:13
mdzor just changing behaviour for those IDs?08:13
Kamionthose PCI ids are also registered with piix08:13
Kamionin fact I wonder if the problem could be that *both* modules are being loaded08:13
mdzdoes ata_piix have any IDs that piix doesn't?08:13
mdzor can we just blacklist it?08:14
Kamionmdz: yes08:14
Kamionit has other IDs08:14
KamionI have an idea08:14
mdzI'm not very confident about pushing forward on this, rather than rolling back08:14
Kamionmvo: could you please try booting without removing the module, go through until it fails, and then run 'lsmod | grep piix' for me?08:14
mdznot least because I can't get my hands on this bug due to lack of hardware08:14
mvoKamion: yes08:15
Kamionmdz: bear with me here just for a little bit08:16
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mvoKamion: piix and ata_piix are both loaded08:16
mdzKamion: certainly08:16
mvoyour guess was correct08:16
Kamionmvo: ok, which module did you remove the first time round?08:17
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mjg59Having two devices think they're running the DMA engine on there is going to make things very unhappy08:17
Kamionyes, that's my thought08:17
mvoKamion: libata and ata_piix08:17
Kamionmvo: this time, try removing piix08:17
mjg59I'm surprised the kernel's letting that happen. At least one driver isn't doing the right thing for PCI.08:17
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mdzmjg59: e100 and eepro100 used to do this as well08:18
mjg59mdz: 2.6 makes it a lot harder to do this08:18
zulsata_nv does it as well if i recall08:18
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mjg59But IDE drivers are weird and wonderful and ALL BROKEN08:18
lamont_rmjg59: but clearly these drivers have worked hard to get around 2.6's limitation... :-)08:18
mdzfabbione: so we seem to have a clearer idea what is going on; two modules are being loaded for the same device08:19
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Kamionthe patch now ought to be trivial08:19
abellismurfix: ping 08:19
smurfixabelli: ?08:19
fabbionemdz: yes i know that, but we can't avoid ata_piix to be loaded08:19
fabbionethat means breaking08:19
fabbionei did try removing it and restarting hotplug/udev stufd08:20
Kamionfabbione: mvo is testing08:20
fabbionethe cdrom detection will hang since some scsi stuff is still loaded08:20
thomsmurfix: how do i debug the keyboard chooser magic? it got my UK apple usb keyboard very wrong (wound up giving me a bunch of symbols, none of which i have on the keyboard)08:21
fabbioneKamion: if test is trying to remove one of the driver, i did already once removing the ata_piix and it doesn't work08:21
mdzjdub: please upload ubuntu-artwork with the dependency fix08:21
jdubmdz: ok, preparing as we speak08:21
Kamionfabbione: instead, we're trying removing piix08:21
fabbioneKamion: i can test that too08:22
smurfixthom: I need to know which keys you pressed, and their keycodes08:22
Kamionfabbione: like I say, bear with me08:22
Kamionfabbione: please do08:22
smurfixthom: (should add some logging for that)08:22
mvoKamion: removed piix this time. but it does not work08:22
fabbioneKamion: already doing08:22
Kamionmvo: hm, ok08:22
Kamionlet me do a quick audit of pcimap entries08:22
lamont_rsmurfix: I magine a report of "I couldn't identify your keyboard.  The magic answers are: ..., ..., ..., ... - please file a bug", eh?08:23
Kamionmvo: you definitely booted with init=/bin/sh and removed it before doing anything else? could you check with lsmod to make sure it hasn't reappeared?08:23
mdzseb128: there are no more translation updates, right?08:24
mdzseb128: I am rolling new langpacks by hand08:24
lamont_r200kbytes/sec seems so slow some days08:24
mvoKamion: just did that (lsmod). I only have ata_piix loaded, no other piix driver08:24
fabbioneKamion: no it doesn't work08:24
fabbioneKamion: the cdrom still has I/O corruption08:24
smurfixlamont_r: Yeah, something like that.08:25
fabbioneanyway the disk I/O looks ok08:25
thomsmurfix: pressing ` got "keycode 86 was not expected"08:25
fabbionebadblocks has been running for over an hour now08:25
fabbioneso what is the decision?08:26
smurfixthom: That's the last step -- I need to log the keycodes before that.08:26
lamont_rif we revert the PATA change, what do we break again?08:26
jbaileyand the timeline.08:26
T-Boneat least it's a "safe" break08:26
smurfixlamont_r: On second thought that's not so easy because I also need to know which of the possible keys the user meant to press. :-/08:26
mdzthe timeline is shot08:26
mdzwe are releasing preview tomorrow08:26
T-Boneyeah, that one is more troublesome (re timeline)08:26
fabbionemdz: ok08:26
mdzsabdfl has decided it for us08:26
Kamionawk -F' ' '{ print $2 "-" $3 " " $1 }' /lib/modules/2.6.10-4-amd64-generic/modules.pcimap | sort -u | uniq -t' ' -W1 -D | less08:26
smurfixlamont_r: and the mind reading driver isn't ready for the kernel yet08:27
Kamionthere are a fair few duplicate ids in there; some harmless/intentional (e.g. mptbase/mptscsih)08:27
thomsmurfix: that was only the second question i answered08:27
jbaileypiix and ata_piix on their own seem to be fine - I've had system running each of these for a couple of weeks.08:27
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T-Boneso we're going to release with a *big warning*?08:27
smurfixthom: That should make things easier.08:27
mdzT-Bone: no, we're going to delay the release08:27
thomsmurfix: anyway, how should i go about getting any more info08:27
fabbionemdz: should we roll out another kernel on the fly?08:27
smurfixthom: Can you tell me the symbol and keycode of the first key you pressed?08:27
mdzfabbione: as soon as we decide which fix to use08:27
Kamionnow that the timeline's shot, I think I agree that we should revert the #1440 fix08:27
fabbioneis there anybody other than me able to reproduce the problem?08:27
T-Bonemdz: err?? I must have missed something then08:28
Kamionfabbione: several08:28
mdzfabbione: we can either revert the patch from 1440, or back out only the PIIX changes08:28
mdzT-Bone: you missed me announcing that at least twice so far08:28
KamionT-Bone: scroll up08:28
mvofabbione: me08:28
Kamion19:26 < mdz> the timeline is shot08:28
Kamion19:26 < mdz> we are releasing preview tomorrow08:28
Kamion19:26 < mdz> sabdfl has decided it for us08:28
Kamionlike two minutes ago08:28
fabbionemdz: the patch changes 2 things. ATA_ENABLE_ATAPI and ATA_ENABLE_PATA08:28
smurfixthom: switch to text console, run "showkey", press the key in question08:28
thomah, cool08:28
fabbionemdz: we can roll out one kernel that reverts the PATA, NOW08:28
Kamionfabbione: are they independent?08:28
T-Boneerr... I didn't understand. To me tomorrow is 4h away...08:28
fabbionemdz: and see if that is enough08:28
fabbioneKamion: apparently they are08:29
fabbionemdz: and if it is not we revert the other one08:29
mdzKamion: does tomorrow 1800UTC work for you?08:29
Kamionmdz: as good as any08:29
fabbioneso in the worst is 2 kernel uploads08:29
fabbionebut we a precise and test "fix"08:29
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thomsmurfix: don't have showkeys08:30
Kamionfabbione: would it be possible to come up with a list of the extra module/PCI-id pairs created by each of those?08:30
lamont_rfabbione: so you're thinking upload -26 with just PATA turned back off, and see what that breaks/fixes?08:30
mdzis there a length limit on the topic or something?08:30
Kamionfabbione: I could then compare that against my list of duplicated PCI ids08:30
Kamionmdz: there generally is08:30
lamont_rmdz: usually, and freenode bumps it up to something larger,but finite08:30
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fabbioneKamion: for the piix there are only the 4 i listed before08:30
Kamionfabbione: kernel-wide08:30
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mdzapologies for the noise08:30
fabbionelamont_r: let see what mdz suggest08:31
svenlhi all.08:31
mdzfabbione: let me look at the code a moment08:31
fabbioneKamion: i am not sure how08:31
fabbionemdz: sure08:31
Kamionfabbione: I may be able to try08:31
smurfixthom: console-tools: /usr/bin/showkey08:31
T-Bonemdz:  TOPICLEN=45008:31
fabbioneKamion: if you know a way, go for it08:31
T-Bone(from login messages)08:31
Kamionfabbione: *shrug* doesn't have to be a clean way :-)08:31
svenlKamion: i got yaboot from netboot working on pegasos, and i guess that from cd will be ok too, need to try.08:31
Kamionsvenl: ok, sorry but we're in the middle of a release panic and I haven't had any time at all to look08:32
seb128mdz: nop, translations are fine08:32
fabbioneKamion: yes.. i understand that :-) but right now is like 15 hours that i am around.. and not really a 100% clear mind to think even to extra hacks08:32
Kamionsvenl: but that's very cool :-)08:32
Kamionfabbione: you and me both dude08:32
svenlKamion: no problem.08:32
fabbioneKamion: ok.. let's try to think...08:32
svenlKamion: release panic -> that would be hoary release ? 08:32
Kamionsvenl: if that's something we can introduce cleanly post-preview, I'd like to try08:33
fabbioneKamion: what we need exactly is the pci ids listed in the kernel?08:33
Kamionsvenl: hoary preview release08:33
svenlKamion: well, it is an OF upgrade, will need no change to yaboot itself.08:33
Kamionfabbione: right. I'm grepping now08:33
Kamionsvenl: rock08:33
fabbioneKamion: we need to grep for: static struct pci_device_id piix_pci_tbl[]  = {08:33
svenlKamion: xresprobe (#7144) and yaboot-installer will need fixing then.08:33
fabbionepci_device_id is the struct that keep all the pci ids info08:34
Kamionfabbione: no, I mean grepping for ATA_ENABLE_PATA, try it it's much quicker :)08:34
mdzfabbione: ATA_ENABLE_PATA was not mentioned in the bug report; I did not even realize we had enabled that08:34
Kamionfabbione: there are like five mentions of that, in two drivers08:34
svenlmmm, netboot tries to detect keys :/08:34
thomsmurfix: 'q' was the first character, 0x10 0x9008:34
fabbioneKamion: i think a simple process of that thing can give us all the pci ids08:34
Kamionpiix and pata_pdc2027x08:34
fabbioneKamion: yes.. i know08:34
Kamionsorry, ata_piix and ...08:34
fabbionemdz: it has been enabled in the same patch and i am sorry because i have no idea why08:35
Kamionall those pata_pdc2027x ids show up as duplicates08:35
Kamionso I say definitely revert ATA_ENABLE_PATA08:35
mdzzul should know, I think he rolled the patch08:35
fabbionemdz: and i think reverting the PATA is enough08:35
zulfabbione: i have a kernel with pata disabled if you want to test08:35
fabbionebut i need someway to test it08:35
fabbionezul: i need that kernel into a cdrom installer to test08:35
fabbioneor something like that08:35
=== mvo just checked again, removing piix is not enough, ata_piix does not work on my test-system
fabbionesimply installing the kernel is not enough08:36
fabbionemvo: it's a combination...08:36
jbaileyRight, because initrd-tools isn't that bright.08:36
mvofabbione: ah, ok08:36
mdzfabbione: it seems to only affect the ata_piix module from what I see in grep, so it should be sufficient to test with a replacement ata_piix module08:36
fabbionejbailey: bingo08:36
Kamionfabbione: stick the udebs in debian-installer/build/localudebs/, build08:36
thomsmurfix: then ` which is 0x56 0xd6 ; and that was the unrecognised one08:36
Kamionalthough that won't be quite right08:36
Kamion... what mdz said08:36
smurfixthom: what other symbols are on that key on your keyboard?08:36
zulfabbione: couldnt we just copy the .ko?08:37
Kamionyou probably need to depmod too08:37
fabbioneKamion: i don't think it works.. the kernel modules are still downloaded at whatever time08:37
smurfixthom: ... and what's the correct console keymap for it?08:37
Kamionfabbione: run in expert mode and then you have time to replace them08:37
thomsmurfix: ` ~08:37
fabbionemdz: it should be enough to rever that module.. yes08:37
Kamionfabbione: and anyway ata_piix is very likely in the initrd and not downloaded at all08:37
fabbioneok.. gimme a few secs08:37
Kamionalthough it'll depend on your image08:37
fabbioneKamion: hmmmm08:37
fabbioneKamion: i have the same images as you do08:38
mdzzul: can you make your ata_piix.ko available for download?08:38
fabbionei can craft the one from netinstall08:38
mdzKamion: yes, and depmod08:38
zulzul: that is what im doing right now08:38
Kamionsvenl: yaboot-installer is easy enough, but I have no clue about #714408:38
fabbioneand see if i can read cdrom with an older ata_piix08:38
Kamionfabbione: I mean, cdrom or netboot?08:38
Alessiosorry, what do you think about ipodder in ubuntu?08:38
Alessiofor podcasting08:38
fabbioneKamion: i can use both08:38
fabbioneKamion: which one do you suggest to craft?08:39
fabbioneKamion: netboot is the fastest one to reload imho08:39
fabbionewithout having to burn a cd08:39
smurfixthom: Ah, that's the additional key on the pc105 keyboard. *Sigh*. I'll have a look.08:39
Kamionfabbione: hm, ok, plan:08:39
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Kamionfabbione: use netboot in expert mode; run through until after "retrieving installer components"; pause at the menu; wget new ata_piix.ko, drop into place; continue08:39
Kamionthe installer will depmod for you08:40
thomsmurfix: (it's a british english apple usb keyboard)08:40
zulfabbione: ata_pixx.ko without pata http://zulinux.homelinux.net/ubuntu/kernel08:40
fabbioneKamion: ok08:40
smurfixthom: Yeah, and there's no good console keymap for it, is there?08:41
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zulfabbione: #define ATA_ENABLE_ATAPI  #undef ATA_ENABLE_PATA08:41
Kamionzul: that still has the dup PCI ids08:41
Kamionzul: checked with modinfo, it has 24db 25a2 711108:41
zulKamion: ok08:41
fabbioneKamion: while i boot can you kindly get ata_piix.ko from the morgue?08:42
fabbionejust to be 100000% sure is the old one?08:42
Kamionfabbione: which version?08:42
thomsmurfix: mac-usb-uk is fine, afaik08:42
lamont_rKamion: I think -24 was pre-ata patch08:42
fabbioneKamion: linux-source-2.6.10 (2.6.10-24) hoary; urgency=low08:42
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zulit was08:42
fabbioneyes -2408:42
lamont_rfabbione: beate me08:43
Kamionmdz: ATA_ENABLE_ATAPI does not introduce any PCI id changes, as far as I can see08:43
fabbioneKamion: no it doesn't08:43
fabbioneit's only the PATA that adds pci ids08:43
mdzzul: you are confident that ATA_ENABLE_ATAPI alone addresses #1440?08:43
Kamionfabbione: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/ata_piix.ko08:44
mdzKamion: that's from linux-image-2.6.10-4-386 2.6.10-24?08:45
Kamionyes, and confirmed that it does not have the offending PCI ids08:45
fabbionethere is no ata_piix on the system right now08:45
fabbioneso it means it will be downloaded via sata-modules08:45
Kamionthere won't be until after "retrieving installer components"08:45
fabbionemdz: sorry that's for Kamion08:45
Kamionsata-modules is not in the netboot initrd08:46
Kamionright, it will be downloaded08:46
Kamionbut if you're in expert mode, you will have an opportunity to replace it08:46
fabbionebut i can just tell d-i not to install it08:46
Kamionno don't08:46
Kamiondo what I said earlier08:46
zulmdz: yes i looked through the mandrake patches and that was the only one there08:46
Kamion19:39 < Kamion> fabbione: use netboot in expert mode; run through until after "retrieving installer components"; pause at the menu; wget new ata_piix.ko,08:46
Kamion                drop into place; continue08:46
mdzzul: so they are enabling ATA_ENABLE_PATA?08:46
zulmdz: yes08:46
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jbaileyI woner if they do hotplug based autodetection then?08:47
lamont_reta 10 min or so08:47
Kamionentirely possible they don't08:47
KamionMandrake are a kudzu shop aren't they?08:47
zulfrom mandrake: 08:48
zul-#undef ATA_ENABLE_ATAPI                /* define to enable ATAPI support */08:48
zul-#undef ATA_ENABLE_PATA         /* define to enable PATA support in some08:48
zul+#define ATA_ENABLE_ATAPI               /* define to enable ATAPI support */08:48
zul+#define ATA_ENABLE_PATA                /* define to enable PATA support in some                                 * low-level drivers */08:48
Kamionzul: if they don't use hotplug, they probably won't hit the bug08:49
mvozul: trying to load your ata_piix with the install-cd gave me a "ata_pixx: disagrees about the version of struct_module"08:49
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zulits based on -2508:50
fabbionecan anybody paste me again the md5sum for Packages.gz on livecd dists/hoary/main/debian-installer/binary-i386 ?08:50
Kamionmvo: try http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/ata_piix.ko08:50
fabbioneas well as Packages08:50
Kamionfabbione: one sec08:50
Kamionba22054987588dc3847b52bdd794a54e  dists/hoary/main/debian-installer/binary-i386/Packages08:51
mvoKamion: ok. it takes a bit, I need to put it on a usb-stick and copy it over08:51
Kamion24323b5da4533d415d1821cb7a3ded24  dists/hoary/main/debian-installer/binary-i386/Packages.gz08:51
Kamionfabbione: ^--08:51
fabbionewell 08:51
mdzfabbione: 24323b5da4533d415d1821cb7a3ded24  /mnt/dists/hoary/main/debian-installer/binary-i386/Packages.gz08:51
maswanjdub: :), a bit of increased traffic the last couple of hours: http://www.acc.umu.se/technical/statistics/ftp/monitordata/index.html.en08:51
fabbionelet's turn off PATA bunch of wankers!08:51
fabbioneand let's make this damn preview RELEASE!08:52
zulKamion: they use hotplug08:52
smurfixthom: I *hate* these keymaps, they're incomplete as *hell*.08:52
thomsmurfix: :(08:52
mdzfabbione: do we need to have the #1440 people re-test?08:52
thomsmurfix: totally unsurprised08:52
fabbionemdz: yes08:52
smurfixthom: If you look at the keymap you'll find that that key is not assigned *anywhere*08:52
fabbionemdz: that fixes the I/O corruption on piix cdrom08:52
zulKamion: probably not in the install though08:52
thomsmurfix: joy :(08:53
fabbionemdz: in full hounestly i didn't have the time to read all of #144008:53
smurfixthom: which means it gets its setting from the kernel ... or the keymap that's been installed before it. :-/08:53
Kamionlet's roll a new kernel without ATA_ENABLE_PATA then, and we can roll new d-i based on it08:53
fabbioneKamion: ok08:53
fabbionelamont: ping?08:53
Kamionif mdz's ok with that plan08:53
fabbionemdz: ?08:54
mdzgo for it08:54
fabbioneit will 25.108:54
Kamionwe still have lots of time for a complete revert if need be08:54
mdzfabbione: why not 26?08:54
fabbioneKamion: exactly08:54
mdzoh, you have a 26 prepared already08:54
smurfixthom: I'll go and fix the immediate problem but a review of the whole mess will have to wait after the prerelease. :-/08:54
fabbionemdz: because i have it already in RCS with tons of other changes that we do NOT want now08:54
smurfixthom: can you email me your "dumpkeys" output please?08:54
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mvoKamion: is it still worthwhile that I test your ata_piix module with the new plan?08:55
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Kamionmvo: yes08:56
Kamionmvo: the new plan will be a better test, but it's worth a shot08:56
mvoKamion: ok, doing it now08:57
ograsmurfix: how about dumpkeys collection in hwdb-client in hoary+1 ? sounds ike you could need the data08:57
thomsmurfix: sure08:57
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thomsmurfix: smurf@debian.org08:57
smurfixogra: All I need to do is to preload the table with the standard kernel layout08:57
smurfixthom: sure08:58
smurfixogra: and then check what's missing08:58
ograsmurfix, ah, so youre doing that on the fly anyway....08:58
smurfixogra: should be a straightforward if annoying piece of programming08:58
smurfixogra: yes and no -- I precompile the decision table08:59
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smurfixogra: The job takes too long to do it at install time.08:59
mvoKamion: with your ata_piix module it works here. both modules (piix, ata_piix are loaded, but ata_piix is not in use and piix seems to be in control 09:01
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thomsmurfix: http://people.ubuntu.com/~thom/dumpkeys-mac-usb-uk (sorry, easier than email right now)09:01
mdzmvo: great09:02
mvomdz: I'm standing by here, if there is more I can do, just tell me09:02
fabbionestuff can wrong09:03
smurfixthom: Thanks.09:04
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smurfixthom: keycode  86 = less             greater          bar09:05
lamontfabbione: pack09:06
lamonter, ackj09:06
fabbionelamont: ok.. i have almost done09:06
fabbionei am updating the patch now09:06
smurfixthom: ... which doesn't look like  ` ~ to me ...09:06
smurfixthom: please verify.09:06
fabbionelamont: 25.1 won't be under rcs.. not from me at least09:06
fabbionelamont: my wife is already yelling and screaming that i am still here09:07
lamontfabbione: you upload, I'll commit09:08
fabbionelamont: ok09:08
schweebmdz, Kamion: booted into the livecd now, worked fine... cdrom's working and everything09:09
fabbionelamont, mdz: almost done...09:12
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mdzschweeb: interesting; which piix module(s) were loaded for you?09:13
fabbionelamont: i also committed the last changes i had to pre2609:13
mdzschweeb: it may be that your particular PCI device is not affected09:13
fabbioneso it only needs 25.1 merging09:13
fabbionejust check the lspci -n and compare the IDs09:14
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schweebmdz: just piix09:16
schweebthen the rest of the regular ide_* drivers09:16
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lamontfabbione: ok.  we'll see how well baz does with the merge-of-duplicates. :-)09:20
fabbionewe MUST get rid of that patch madness09:21
zul2.6.11 would be a good canidate to start09:22
T-Boneindeed :)09:22
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fabbionezul: we will come out with 2.6.11 when we will have the time09:23
zulfabbione: true09:23
fabbioneand we redo the packaging immediatly after hoary09:23
fabbionenow .10 has max priority09:24
T-Bonelamont: burn some wood, it'll produce more heat :}09:24
lamontfabbione: speaking of which, eta to upload?09:24
fabbionelamont: uploading now09:24
fabbioneUploading via ftp linux-source-2.6.10_2.6.10-25.1.diff.gz: 09:24
fabbioneSuccessfully uploaded packages.09:25
fabbionehave fun09:25
fabbionei lost katie for a few secs...09:25
fabbionetoo bad09:25
fabbionei will just wait the ACCEPT mails09:25
fabbioneand i am think i will be off for today09:25
zullater fabbione 09:25
fabbione6am -> 10pm is a long run09:25
fabbionezul: not yet...09:26
fabbionethere it is09:26
fabbionelinux-source-2.6.10_2.6.10-25.1_source.changes ACCEPTED09:26
lamontfabbione: and you beat cron.daily... woot09:26
fabbioneok.. mail to changes too09:27
lamontfabbione: that means I only have to wait about 10 minutes for source, instead of 4009:27
fabbione6 minutes actually09:27
fabbionedaily is at 33 ;)09:28
fabbione5 now....09:28
fabbionelucky eh? :)09:28
lamontyeah, plus a couple for the stuff to propogate09:28
fabbionelast hit on the new album and i am off09:28
fabbionei have too much adrenaline to sleep right away09:28
fabbioneschweeb: what?09:29
schweebin OO.o 1.1.3 CUPS printing appears not to be working09:29
schweebworks everywhere else09:29
fabbioneKamion: i think we should all get some good night sleep and meet tomorrow morning early to test together again09:29
fabbioneKamion: what about 6 UTC?09:30
schweeband in the OO.o 2 preview09:30
fabbionei definetely cannot wait 2 hours for CD images this night09:30
schweebthe odd thing is the job gets queued and sent to the printer, but the receive light blinks a couple times and does nothing09:30
fabbioneor my wife will ask for divorce :)09:30
T-Bonefabbione: this would be quite soon for that heh :)09:31
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lamontfabbione: at this stage, many jurisdictions would permit an annulment... but you don't want to go there either09:32
T-Bonelamont: is it because you're living in the us that you see the legal matter before everything else? :^)09:32
zulfabbione: already some celebrities last a month09:32
fabbionelamont: see.. after the first 2 weeks we knew eachother she told me: "I hate italians and i don't like nerds..."09:33
fabbionelamont: that's why we got married ;)09:33
T-Bonefabbione: rotfl09:33
fabbionelamont: so now i would like to show that even a nerd can have a life ;)09:33
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fabbioneT-Bone: at this speed your fortune will have 99% of my entries09:33
T-Bonefabbione: heh. jbailey is quite a candidate you know :)09:34
T-Bonei'll make sure to make it available somewhere anyway :)09:34
fabbioneok i am off09:34
T-Bonesee ya09:34
fabbionelamont: can you make sure with Kamion that the new kernel is in any of the CD (live or install) by 5 UTC?09:35
fabbionelamont: i usually wake up at that time and i can start testing immediatly after09:35
mdzfabbione: good night and thanks09:35
fabbionemdz: no problem09:35
mdzfabbione: welcome back ;-)09:35
fabbionemdz: ehehhe09:36
lamontnight fabbione - np on the kernel being there.09:36
fabbionelamont: perfect09:36
fabbionecya in a few hours09:36
fabbioneand get some rest while the kernel propagate09:36
fabbioneit's pointless to watch the logs ;)09:36
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mvomdz: I have pitti at the phone, he asks what's wrong with the lang-packs09:41
mdzmvo: bug #16459509:42
mdzmvo: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/language-pack-en-base_20050308_all.deb (--unpack):09:42
mdz trying to overwrite `/usr/share/locale-langpack/en_CA/LC_MESSAGES/gnome-panel-2.0.mo', which is also in package language-pack-en09:42
mvomdz: pitti says he solved it with a pre-depends? does it not work?09:43
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mvomdz: he is at a place with not network, he'll see to it tomorrow morning. is there a deadline for him?09:44
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mdzmvo: it does not work09:48
mdzmvo: the pre-depends needs to be versioned09:48
mdzmvo: it can be dealt with first thing in the morning09:50
mvomdz: ok, he'll deal with it then09:50
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svenlKamion: 7144 is under control, i just need to find time, but there is this OF work, and the debian 2.6.11 kernels, and the 2.4.27 mess and so on.09:58
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mdzjdub: what is the delay on the new ubuntu-artwork?09:59
HiddenWolfmdz: it's uploaded, isn't it?09:59
svenl7144 is tzo-sided. one is simply to detect that a pegasos needs BusType "PCI", and add it to the config file, the second is to fix xresprobe, and io will provide a patch for it.09:59
ograHiddenWolf: nope10:00
mdzHiddenWolf: no, it's missing a dependency10:00
HiddenWolfmdz: ah, that.10:00
Kamionschweeb: good, according to our guessed diagnosis your machine should not have been affected, so I'm glad that's how it really is10:06
Kamionfabbione: I can't be there by 6 UTC; Kirsten is ill and I need to do a certain amount of looking after her10:06
mdzI'll be here at 6 UTC10:06
KamionI think others may have to take care of the d-i build and a new CD build10:07
KamionI have disabled the CD cron jobs (apart from Kubuntu), so any builds will have to be manual10:07
Kamionanyway, I'll be around for a couple more hours10:07
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Kamionmdz: should we mail ubuntu-devel@ to explain the delay, and to say that preview freeze is still in effect?10:09
MithrandirKamion: I think that would be good.10:09
KamionI can do that if you want10:09
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mdzKamion: yes, that's a good idea. I'll do it10:09
Kamionok, thanks10:09
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=== lamont finds another piix machine in the house.
lamontthe 7th grader will be a bit inconvenienced.10:12
lamonthrm... I really have to do something about the 23 minute startup time in my mirror-archive script10:14
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danielssvenl: the BusType PCI thing shouldn't be needed, though -- it's indicative of broken hardware10:17
svenldaniels: it is indicative of broken radeon drivers in the ubuntu packages. Xfree86 4.3 as used in debian had no such problem.10:18
svenldaniels: the pegasos hardware uses a NB which had no agp bus, so fakes a pci-x bus into being an agp one.10:18
svenldaniels: this is a feature, not broken hardware.10:19
svenldaniels: and the agp-express guys have a similar solution on x86 even.10:19
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svenldaniels: so the sane thing would be to do like the debian X packages, if for whatever reason loading agpgart fails, fall back to pcigart transparently.10:20
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danielssvenl: how is it a feature?  do you even use that agp bus?10:24
danielssvenl: i agree it should fall back to pcigart transparently, and my understanding was that that was happening10:24
danielsbut setting up an agp gart was either hanging or reporting success10:24
tritiumHi.  What's the policy on new packages in universe regarding .menu and .desktop files?  Do they need both?  Only .desktop?10:24
svenldaniels: it is a feature because with a NB without agp bus, you can use agp cards, which are more easy to find.10:25
svenldaniels: there is thus no agpgart.10:25
=== lamont does a testinstall with the new postfix bits.
lamont(which won't upload until after the preview...)10:25
svenldaniels: and the agp express do the same, they add pci-faked-as-agp slot on intel pci-express motherboard for compatibility reason, so you will see this case outside of the pegasos too.10:26
svenldaniels: it doesn't happen. neither michel's dri-trunk, not ubuntu's X.org have the transparent fallback magic in it.10:26
danielssvenl: i think it's a pathologically dumb case, but there you go -- bear in mind that i've never heard of this needing to be done anywhere else, so either no-one owns the intel pcie motherboards, or they did it properly10:27
danielssvenl: well, patches welcome.10:27
svenldaniels: it is a new thing for compatibility with older hardware.10:27
danielsyes, I know, I have a PCIE motherboards10:27
svenldaniels: xresprobe and yaboot support in OF have priority :)10:28
svenldaniels: but not on with this new AGP-express thingy. I believe it is from ECS or something.10:28
danielsyes, well that would be the reason why I don't have it10:28
danielsanyway, gotta go now; follow up in the bug report if you like10:28
svenldaniels: for hoary it will be more easy to simply detect a pegasos machine and but the bustype accordyingly though.10:28
svenldaniels: does this mean that you will do nothing about it unless i provide a patch ? Is your pegasos machine running ?10:29
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lamontwhat was the magic incantation to turn off the archive copier?10:38
T-Bonekill -9 -1 ;)10:38
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mdzKamion: at what point do you want to tackle the WinFOSS-on-livecd stuff?  I think we should start shipping it quite soon after preview10:39
mdzT-Bone: fuser -k ;-)10:39
T-Bonemdz: hehe ;)10:39
lamontit's just a tarball to unpack right before the mkisofs10:39
lamontfuser -k mdz :-)10:40
mdzlamont: did the last round of kubuntu cloops build OK?10:40
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Kamionmdz: damn, I forgot about that10:43
Kamionmdz: soon after preview is good10:43
=== lamont looks
tsengmako: i started a draft on the wiki as UnsignedGpgKey, id appreciate your review at some point10:43
zenwhenin a half hour I will have all the preview packages10:43
=== Kamion adds it to ~/ubuntu/status
tsengmako: unless you are part of the release crunch.10:43
lamontmdz: the last [k] ubuntu builds of cloops worked on !ia6410:43
lamontthat is our (full) report :-)10:43
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Kamiontritium: nowadays probably just .desktop is fine10:44
Kamiontritium: although others might disagree here10:44
Kamionmdz: I'd actually meant to do that for preview10:45
Kamionthink I can squeeze it in?10:45
tritiumKamion, thanks.  Okay, I did run it by ogra.  It is a new package, so I believe I'll still with .desktop.10:45
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svenlKamion: yaboot on pmacs/cds, it has just a plain iso9660 on the cds, or some extra magic ?10:49
Kamionsvenl: hybrid iso9660/hfs (same as Debian)10:49
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Kamionsvenl: I think pegasos OF is fine with it, although you might want to check10:50
svenlKamion: because yaboot sees that there are no partitions on my cd, and then tries each filesystem it knows, but not iso9660.10:50
Kamionyaboot doesn't implement ISO9660 itself10:51
svenlext2, reiserfs, xfs, and then OF fallback, but it adds a extra :00 to the of call, which confuses my OF :/10:51
KamionI believe it defers to OF to do that10:51
svenlyep, but adds bogus arguments to the OF prom_open call :/10:51
Kamion     strncpy(buffer, dev_name, 768);10:52
Kamion     strcat(buffer, ":");10:52
Kamion     if (part) {10:52
Kamion          char pn[3] ;10:52
Kamion          sprintf(pn, "%02d", part->part_number);10:52
Kamion          strcat(buffer, pn);10:52
Kamion     }10:52
svenlKamion: also, do you know how the cds can boot on ibm chrps, if they don't have a yaboot.conf in a separate /etc ?10:52
Kamionsvenl: I suspect they don't10:52
svenlKamion: where is that ?10:52
svenlKamion: :)))10:52
KamionI should probably stick a symlink in or something10:52
Kamionsvenl: yaboot/second/fs_of.c:of_open()10:53
Kamionsvenl: probably the question to ask is how come part is non-NULL10:53
svenlKamion: that i know :)10:54
svenlbecause partition.c partitions_lookup sets it to a iso9660 partition.10:54
zenwhendo any of you devs use reiserfs?10:54
=== svenl guesses yaboot is over buggy, and we can't even fix it without a 6+ month flamewar with Ethan :/
mdzKamion: if you want to squeeze in the winfoss stuff, sure10:55
mdzit doesn't get much safer10:55
svenlzenwhen: reiserfs is a data eater.10:55
=== svenl wonders how comes this works on pmacs :/
KamionI'm happy to fix yaboot in Ubuntu if it's clear the code change doesn't affect pmac10:55
=== T-Bone uses reiser and xfs
Kamioncan Pegasos OF be fixed not to mind the :00?10:56
svenlKamion: can you build a yaboot with full debug and try it on a pmac from a CD ?10:56
Kamionwell, "fixed", whatever10:56
Kamionsvenl: sure, but not today; I've made a note10:56
svenlKamion: well, it could, but who knows what else may be broken.10:56
svenlKamion: i can hack OF until tomorrow 16h00 only.10:57
Kamionyes, and I have a release to sort out now10:57
KamionI will try to do it tomorrow morning10:57
svenlOk, cool.10:57
Kamionsvenl: oh, do you still want that yaboot.conf?10:57
svenlI plan to see if i can fix it.10:57
thomsmurfix: i suspect that the console keymap i have doesn't actually look much like the keyboard :/10:57
svenlKamion: i think not.10:57
svenlKamion: err, yes, i want it.10:58
KamionI can get you one now if need be, I have a recent installation10:58
svenlbut less urgently.10:58
svenlKamion: ok, get it and mail it to me.10:58
svenlso i can play with it.10:58
smurfixthom: *sigh*. Can you write one that does? I'd do it but I don't have your keyboard. :-/10:59
Kamionthere's a whole bunch of entries at the end that are worked out from os-prober, you can ignore those10:59
svenlI guess this code you pasted above is just plain broken, the right fix would be to set the partition number to -1 in partitions.c, and then do a check for that there.10:59
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svenlor maybe check for a partition of size 0, i don't think there are any valid partitions entries where the first partition has a size of 0.11:00
svenloh well.11:00
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mvoKamion, mdz: when do you think there will be something to test for me (and my piix system)? is it worth to stay up? or should I do it as first thing in the morning?11:03
Kamionmvo: some of the kernel builds are done, so maybe a couple of hours if mdz is happy to do another d-i byhand (or if elmo is up)11:04
thomsmurfix: i'll add it to my todo *sigh*11:05
lamontKamion: is the install CD actually checking gpg sigs and such on Releases?11:05
thomi can byhand if necessary, but if elmo is around i'd prefer to defer11:05
thomto him11:05
Kamionlamont: CD doesn't bother, netboot does11:05
Kamionlamont: it does check that the Packages md5sums match what's in Release though11:06
smurfixthom: Sorry that I can't be somewhat more helpful. Of course you could package up the keyboard and UPS it to me ;-)11:06
lamontKamion: Menu item 'apt-setup-udeb' failed...11:06
mvoif apt-cdrom add is used, it will also check the signature and only copy the gpg file if they match11:06
lamontwhat did I b0rk?11:06
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lamont(rewritten Packages...)11:06
Kamionlamont: that's not d-i11:07
thomsmurfix: heh11:07
lamontConfiguriing same exited 111:07
Kamionlamont: yeah, that whole thing kinda sucks11:07
lamontoh wait.11:07
thomsmurfix: well, i do have two of them, but that seems a little excessive :-)11:07
lamontlack of net connectivity wouldn't do that, would it?11:07
Kamionlamont: I want to turn off *all* authentication on the CD somehow, if possible; it's too damn hard to customise it at the moment11:07
mdzelmo: are you around?11:07
lamontKamion: built a new Release file with the right md5sums and such, I think11:08
Kamionmvo: will apt-cdrom add be happy with a missing Release.gpg?11:08
Kamionlamont: it'll be more the invalid Release.gpg sig, I'd expect11:08
Kamionwell, that too, at least11:08
mvoKamion: yes11:08
thommdz: if he's not in the datacenter he has no laptop11:08
KamionI killed some of the authentication on the CD for #572311:08
mdzthom: is he one of those weirdos who doesn't have a real computer?11:08
thommdz: unless he's arranged to steal one11:08
Kamionand the fact that I remembered that bug number without even looking is scary11:09
mdzonly a laptop?11:09
thommdz: naw, but he's in london rahter than leeds11:09
mvoKamion: indeed :)11:10
lamontKamion: well, I built a new Release.gpg, but of course the key is mine, not the CD image key...11:10
lamontwhere do I replace/add the key?11:10
Kamionyou might be able to glue it into ubuntu-keyring then11:12
=== lamont just whacked /target/etc/apt/trusted.gpg and continued...
lamontbut I'd like to have it nicer...11:12
lamontthat is, what package actually delivers /etc/apt/trusted.gpg?11:13
mvolamont: you could just add it to the ubuntu-keyring package11:13
mvolamont: /usr/share/keyrings/ubuntu-archive-keyring.gpg11:14
lamontmvo: to ubuntu-archive-keyring.gpg?11:14
lamontcool, even11:14
svenlKamion: if i mail you a small yaboot patch, can you try it tomorrow on your pmac ? 11:15
lamontgood to know for the next time.11:15
lamontbut I'm manually past the annoyance for this pass11:15
Kamionsvenl: yeah11:15
lamont"Configuring base system" isn't lsb-ized11:15
lamonts/base/the base/11:16
svenlKamion: basically i test in the above function if the partition is 0 sized and the only one, which is the iso9660 configuration.11:16
Kamionthat's not an init script, it's something that base-config says11:16
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sabdflhi guys11:21
sabdfljust read the scrollback11:21
sabdflmdz: what times did you set for the release tomorrow?11:22
zenwhenpreview is slick guys11:22
Kamionzenwhen: no preview yet ...11:23
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zenwheni thought I saw an announcement11:23
zenwhenwas it premature?11:23
zenwhena link11:23
zenwhenin this channel11:23
zenwhenthat spoke as if the preview was done11:23
Kamionthat was a draft, and had "Draft" in the URL11:23
zenwhenand linked to images11:23
zenwhenwell whatever this is, is really slick11:24
Kamionreal preview should be tomorrow, very small change from what you have though11:24
Kamionsabdfl: he put it in the topic: "preview release: 2005-03-10 1800UTC"11:25
zenwhenits nice to see gnome 2.10 on my desktop on release date instead of three weeks later when I was running slackware.11:25
zenwhenI switched to ubuntu because quick gnome 2.8 inclusion, and am impressed as hell to be running 2.10 on release day11:26
Kamionsabdfl: bonus of the delay, though: releases.u.c mirrors should all have today's image, and the rsync to tomorrow's will be pretty small11:26
Kamionfew tens of MB per CD maybe11:26
sabdflKamion: perfect!11:27
Kamionnot that I'm suggesting we go through this hell every time ;)11:27
Kamionhmmm. should change the cdebconf password widget to display *s.11:27
sabdflKamion: everything on our release checklist sorted?11:27
sabdfldo we need to add anything to that list for final?11:28
sabdflother than:11:28
Kamionwhere's the checklist again?11:28
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sabdfl - get final artwork in A WEEK BEFORE11:28
jon1012hello :)11:28
sabdfl - get kernel sorted TWO WEEKS BEFORE :-)11:28
Kamioner, hmm. should we remove "Development Branch" from lsb-release and stuff?11:28
Kamionand we should change Release11:28
makotseng: i hacked on https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UnsignedGpgKey after dholbach pointed it out to me11:29
KamionI guess "Development Branch" can stay until just before final11:29
makotseng: i added a bunch11:29
sabdflKamion: ^11:30
mdzsabdfl: 1800 UTC is the target11:30
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sabdflso final build in by 12:00 UTC?11:30
Kamionperhaps we should s/Development Branch/Preview/g11:31
Kamionsabdfl: I think that's doable; need to get elmo to change dists/hoary/Release, ideally11:32
Kamionalthough "Ubuntu Hoary Unreleased" is not too bad11:32
mdzsabdfl: we can do the final build tonight in fact11:32
mdznew kernel build is up, at least on i38611:34
Kamionstill waiting for powerpc and (to a lesser extent) ia6411:34
mdzmvo: still here?11:35
mvomdz: yes11:35
mvomdz: but a bit sleepy :)11:35
mdzmvo: are you able to do a test run with the new kernel?11:35
mvomdz: yes, what needs to be done?11:35
sabdfllet's let kamion, elmo get a good nights rest11:35
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sabdflthere will be lots to do tomorrow11:35
sabdflmake the most of the delay11:35
mdzKamion: which udebs will mvo need to swap in in order to test?11:36
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Kamionmdz: sata-modules11:36
mdzoh, never mind, it'll be in the initrd, won' t it11:36
mvomdz: I think so, it is with the current cd11:36
mdzwe could do a daily d-i build for i38611:37
Kamionmdz: ok, I'll start kicking them off11:37
Kamioni386 and amd64 d-i builds kicked11:39
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LiblitHey, jdub.11:40
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=== T-Bone wonders who was saying mac sucked...
T-Boneseems that Linus doesn't agree :)11:42
T-Bonewhich is way cool: maybe we'll have a rock solid linux kernel on ppc now :)11:42
thomT-Bone: he has a big power5 box now doesn't he?11:42
dredgT-Bone: feh, what does linux know? :)11:43
dredger, linus11:43
T-Bonedredg: nothing much, He just "switched"11:43
T-Bonehis main platform is no longer x86 :)11:43
Kamionlinus has had a powerpc box for ages11:44
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Kamionit's why powerpc went mainline11:44
mdzand still we have random SIGILLs11:44
T-BoneKamion: yeah, but making it his main machine is brand new11:44
T-Bonemdz: i hope that this will be fixed soon, if that's effectively a kernel bug. I bet he'll notice and get annoyed enough to fix it :)11:44
whiprushanyone know the right mirror contact email offhand? mirrors@canonical.com is bouncing and I'd like to fix the wiki entry.11:45
KamionI've never seen those SIGILLs outside the context of a buildd11:45
T-BoneKamion: yeah. That's a hint imho11:45
Mithrandirwhiprush: uhm, just edit the wiki? :)11:45
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whiprushI don't know what the right address to fix it to is though.11:45
whiprushOr should we just add mirrors and forget the email contact?11:46
KamionT-Bone: probably just that it only occurs under fairly heavy load ...11:46
mxpxpodfabbione: good work on the linux-source-2.6.10 package :)11:46
Kamionmdz: i386 and amd64 d-i builds done11:46
lamontthom: on rookery, please: find ~lamont/public_html/Archives ! -user lamont -perm -0200 ! -perm -020 | xargs chmod g+w11:46
lamontand lart fabbione for me.11:46
T-BoneKamion: buildd workload is quite specific. There are other things generating much more load11:47
mdzKamion: shall I byhand them, or pull out an initrd for mvo?11:47
KamionT-Bone: true11:47
Kamionmdz: byhanding would be good11:47
T-BoneKamion: that sigill stuff could be toolchain related, i think11:47
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Kamionlamont: how far along are the powerpc and ia64 kernel builds?11:51
ogra_livehmm, piix works fine on my old lappie .... funny11:51
lamontlinux-source-2.6.10_2.6.10-25.1_20050309-2037 04:04:41 (2 entries, sigma 00:03:10)11:52
lamontthat's ppc.11:53
mdzKamion: done, syncing11:53
lamontia64, if it goes true-to-form, will just miss the kubuntu CD build, since it will upload right around 0415 or so11:53
lamontand ppc will be in the archive at about 0103 your time11:53
lamontia64: linux-source-2.6.10_2.6.10-25.1_20050309-2037 07:29:45 (6 entries, sigma 00:09:07)11:54
lamonti386: linux-source-2.6.10_2.6.10-25.1_20050309-2040 02:25:58 (13 entries, sigma 01:01:29) (and builds the most kernels, plus arch: all)11:54
lamontamd64: linux-source-2.6.10_2.6.10-25.1_20050309-2037 01:23:13 (12 entries, sigma 00:40:43)11:55
thomia64 takes 7 hours?!?11:55
lamontthom: it's a P-O-S box11:55
lamontthom: 1GHz CPU, 2GB RAM11:56
lamontand _SLOW_ disks11:56
lamontbut it is itanium211:56
lamontoh, and minimal cache11:56
T-Bonelamont: IDE?11:57
ogra_livejdub, is it intentional that gstreamer-properties is in the desktop settings ?11:57
lamontT-Bone: dev/hda is the CDROM, and there is /dev/sda*, so, no.11:58
T-Bonethen why "slow"?11:58
jdubogra_live: it will be out before final11:58
ogra_liveah, good11:58
lamontbecause it's special?11:58
lamontzx1600, iirc11:58
T-Bonelamont: i2 comes at least with 10k disks, neh?11:58
lamontT-Bone: 10k is _SLOW_11:59
T-Bone1600? Does such a thing exist? :)11:59
T-Bonelamont: hell. I wonder how you describe the Xserve G5 SATA disks then :)11:59
Kamionlamont: could you please kick a d-i build on ross once the powerpc kernel reaches the archive, and ask mdz to byhand it?11:59
lamontT-Bone: take itanium 2 products from HP.  find the lowest price point.  that's the one in the data center11:59
lamontthe others are done already?11:59
T-Bonelamont: can't be. IDE disks on i2 *are* slow11:59
Kamioni386 and amd64 are11:59
Kamionia64, obviously, will have to wait11:59
lamontT-Bone: those disks are scsi12:00
T-Bonelamont: in the xserve?12:00
Kamionlamont: hmm. elmo didn't byhand this morning's d-i builds, at my request. Will that have confused things?12:00

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