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| sabdfl | witing for mdz | 01:08 |
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| mdz | sabdfl: yes? | 01:11 |
| sabdfl | let's talk about releasing right away | 01:11 |
| sabdfl | elmo's asleep, and deserves it, i am happy to go without him unless he said anything about having more to do before release | 01:12 |
| sabdfl | we can wake him up if there's a /.'ing | 01:12 |
| mdz | he said nothing to me | 01:12 |
| sabdfl | or, unless anything thinks he'd be upset to miss it | 01:12 |
| Kamion | I haven't done my usual battery of testing yet, it took unexpectedly long to rsync everything | 01:12 |
| Kamion | but there's been plenty of other testing this time round | 01:12 |
| sabdfl | he's key to the mirroring thing, but i expect he will be up before the major news sites are carrying the story | 01:12 |
| sabdfl | one advantage to releasing now is catching the full day's news on US tz's | 01:13 |
| mdz | even on EST it's only 0715 | 01:13 |
| mdz | but if you want me to send out the announcement, it's either soon (stay up a bit) or much later (sleep) | 01:14 |
| sabdfl | i'm happy to announce now, have kamion watching it for the next 8 hours while you sleep, then you covering it | 01:15 |
| Kamion | ok, shall I copy to release dirs? | 01:15 |
| sabdfl | any objections to a release now? | 01:16 |
| Kamion | my install-i386 test is still running, but hey :-) | 01:16 |
| sabdfl | eta till that's done? | 01:16 |
| mdz | sabdfl: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DraftHoaryPreviewAnnouncement has seen some tweaks; you want a final review before I paste it into email? | 01:17 |
| Kamion | coupla minutes | 01:17 |
| sabdfl | mdz: has everyone had a chance to add their tech pieces | 01:17 |
| sabdfl | ? | 01:18 |
| Kamion | I'm still unconvinced about claiming "multimedia ready" | 01:18 |
| sabdfl | i think the preview should be aimed at developers | 01:18 |
| Kamion | that was something sivang added IIRC | 01:18 |
| mdz | it's seen a bunch of revisions | 01:18 |
| mdz | I haven't really tracked them | 01:18 |
| mdz | Kamion: I agree, that's a bit shady | 01:18 |
| sabdfl | can i add python 2.4? | 01:18 |
| sabdfl | editing now | 01:18 |
| mdz | about the only multimedia feature we have out of the box is Vorbis playback | 01:18 |
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| sabdfl | let me say vorbis playback then | 01:19 |
| Kamion | what are we going to do with http://www.ubuntu.com/download/? | 01:19 |
| Kamion | it has a load of direct links to warty images at the moment | 01:19 |
| mdz | sabdfl: we had that in warty, too, of course | 01:20 |
| mdz | let's not link to /download/ at all in this announcement | 01:20 |
| Kamion | although only some of the links are warty-specific, some would cover both | 01:21 |
| Kamion | it's a bit of a mess | 01:21 |
| Kamion | mdz: we do kind of have to link somewhere ... | 01:21 |
| Mithrandir | could we drop the multiple exclamation marks, pretty please? | 01:21 |
| mdz | Kamion: link directly to cdimage | 01:21 |
| Kamion | Mithrandir: meh, yeah | 01:21 |
| Kamion | mdz: well, releases.u.c | 01:21 |
| mdz | yes, please | 01:21 |
| mdz | Kamion: right | 01:21 |
| sabdfl | what's the link? i've got the Big Plone Lock | 01:21 |
| Kamion | http://releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/ (does not yet exist) | 01:22 |
| Kamion | it'll be hoary-preview-* | 01:22 |
| sabdfl | just that link should be enough then | 01:22 |
| mdz | /hoary/ ? | 01:22 |
| mdz | or /hoary/preview/ ? | 01:22 |
| Kamion | with the same "select a CD" page that's on /warty/ | 01:22 |
| Kamion | mdz: this is what we did for warty preview | 01:22 |
| mdz | hmm, ok | 01:22 |
| Kamion | please don't make me reorganise releases.u.c *again* :-) | 01:23 |
| sabdfl | works for me | 01:23 |
| sabdfl | Kamion: sydney :-) | 01:23 |
| Kamion | cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/preview/ is organised thus | 01:23 |
| Kamion | releases.ubuntu.com exists with the express purpose of being simpler | 01:23 |
| Kamion | because sabdfl wanted it that way :) | 01:23 |
| sabdfl | any other changes? | 01:23 |
| mdz | sabdfl: s/apt-get.org/& and more/ ? we've imported stuff from other sites as well | 01:23 |
| Kamion | install-i386 is good | 01:23 |
| Kamion | er | 01:24 |
| Kamion | sabdfl: drop the "and DVD" please, near the top | 01:24 |
| ogra_live | sabdfl: there will be a lot of stuff in universe not yet on apt-get org for release (hula, php5 etc) | 01:24 |
| Kamion | we decided not to do DVDs for preview | 01:24 |
| sabdfl | my sed-fu isn't so good.. does that mean s/apt-get.org/apt-get.org and more/ | 01:24 |
| Mithrandir | sabdfl: yes | 01:25 |
| Mithrandir | & is "replace with what the replacement matched" | 01:25 |
| Kamion | ok, about to publish: going ... | 01:25 |
| Kamion | going ... | 01:25 |
| Kamion | gne | 01:26 |
| Kamion | +o | 01:26 |
| Kamion | drama is marginally less effective when misspelled | 01:27 |
| mdz | sabdfl: you want the announcement to go anyplace besides ubuntu-announce? | 01:27 |
| sabdfl | /hoary/ not found | 01:27 |
| sabdfl | Kamion: yes, adds that essential Dr Evil component, though | 01:27 |
| sabdfl | mdz: /.? | 01:27 |
| mdz | sabdfl: do they have an email submission address? | 01:28 |
| mdz | I thought someone had to submit through the webiste | 01:28 |
| mdz | website | 01:28 |
| sabdfl | no, got to do it manually, maybe let's NOT submit it | 01:28 |
| Kamion | sabdfl: /hoary/ will be there in a bit, it takes it a while to copy and then to md5sum THE WORLD | 01:28 |
| sabdfl | lwn, distrowatch et yes | 01:28 |
| sabdfl | Kamion: and the UNIVERSE? | 01:28 |
| mdz | wow, we're >100 points ahead on the 3-month distrowatch | 01:29 |
| mdz | sabdfl: lwn is subscribed to -announce, that seems to be how they prefer to do it | 01:29 |
| mdz | I can copy them as well, but there isn't much point | 01:29 |
| fabbione | after tomorrow we will be way more than that :-) | 01:30 |
| sabdfl | ok, -announce is fine for now then | 01:30 |
| Kamion | sabdfl: fortunately little does not mirror universe ;-) | 01:30 |
| mdz | is there a distrowatch equivalent to lwn@lwn.net? | 01:30 |
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| mdz | ah, distro@distrowatch.com | 01:31 |
| mdz | they don't seem to be on -announce, so I'll CC them | 01:32 |
| Kamion | mdz: just to confirm, daily/20050310.2 and daily-live/20050310, right? | 01:32 |
| mdz | though they pick up stuff from our discussion lists very quickly | 01:32 |
| Kamion | i.e. targets of */current | 01:33 |
| mdz | yes, unless you did another build when I wasn't looking | 01:33 |
| Kamion | nope :-) | 01:33 |
| mdz | whatever matches the md5sums in preview/ | 01:33 |
| Kamion | preview/ is what I'm creating at the moment | 01:33 |
| mdz | whatever you mirrored to preview and then rm -rf'd earlier, then :-) | 01:34 |
| Kamion | oh god it's re-md5summing .pool/warty-*, sigh, I must fix that to be more intelligent | 01:34 |
| mdz | f1e7bf00ced6e10db4cad8fb9c33d2f6 hoary-install-amd64.iso | 01:34 |
| mdz | 0f04de0a00e922cda2e6c49c37eceb7f hoary-install-i386.iso | 01:34 |
| mdz | 1281b9ae6bd527e7d236eb8e44e8c84e hoary-install-powerpc.iso | 01:34 |
| thom | ouch | 01:34 |
| Kamion | or else it gets slower for every release we do :-) | 01:34 |
| Kamion | still, faster to do this than to rewrite the publish script on the fly | 01:35 |
| mdz | 1bef5179a459a07c9e4320127193ae69 hoary-live-amd64.iso | 01:35 |
| mdz | 022b6e193cf8c95e943c97bb94c03d00 hoary-live-i386.iso | 01:35 |
| mdz | etc. | 01:35 |
| mdz | is what I tested | 01:36 |
| Kamion | ok, good | 01:36 |
| mdz | sabdfl: waiting for you to save the announcement | 01:36 |
| sabdfl | Kamion: /hoary/ still not found | 01:37 |
| mdz | md5summing THE WORLD | 01:37 |
| Kamion | sabdfl: we're not there yet :-) | 01:38 |
| Kamion | going as fast as I can | 01:38 |
| sabdfl | mdz: i'm saved | 01:38 |
| sabdfl | time to upgrade little :-) | 01:38 |
| Kamion | nah, time to fix scripts ;) | 01:38 |
| sabdfl | i was thinking | 01:38 |
| sabdfl | releases will grow linearly | 01:38 |
| sabdfl | moores law is exponential | 01:38 |
| mdz | "the preview of their second release - Ubuntu 5.04 Preview"? | 01:39 |
| sabdfl | in theory, time should decrease after some future release | 01:39 |
| sabdfl | 5.04-preview | 01:39 |
| sabdfl | you have the lock | 01:39 |
| Kamion | the linear growth is only an artifact of me md5summing everything rather than just the new stuff | 01:39 |
| ogra_live | hmm, shouldnt the hoary description also read "matured" ? | 01:39 |
| sabdfl | i was just taking issue with a very technical point in the long term :-) | 01:39 |
| sabdfl | (12:34:48) Kamion: or else it gets slower for every release we do :-) | 01:40 |
| Kamion | that was referring to me currently md5summing warty+hoary | 01:40 |
| mdz | I guess it can't hurt to metnion preview twice | 01:40 |
| mdz | to avoid "Ubuntu 5.04 is released!!11"-itis | 01:40 |
| mdz | sabdfl: "I must fix that to be more intelligent...or else..." | 01:41 |
| sabdfl | Kamion: yes, but if the cd size to be md5summed grows linearly, and system speed grows exponentially, then at some point time will start to decline | 01:41 |
| Kamion | fortunately CD size cannot grow linearly :-) but DVD size might; md5summing all that all over the place will be a laugh | 01:41 |
| Kamion | but yes, you're right :) | 01:41 |
| mdz | I've copied the draft announcement | 01:42 |
| sabdfl | i suppose we might switch to dvd-only releases at some point | 01:42 |
| mdz | and fixed the double !! | 01:42 |
| Mithrandir | mdz: thanks | 01:42 |
| mdz | standing by | 01:42 |
| Kamion | lr-x------ 1 cjwatson warthogs 64 Mar 10 12:41 3 -> /srv/cdimage.no-name-yet.com/www/simple/.pool/warty-install-amd64.iso | 01:42 |
| Kamion | sigh | 01:42 |
| Kamion | and one of those days we need to un-nny little | 01:43 |
| Kamion | s/those/these/ | 01:43 |
| mdz | nny.com will be with us 4-ever | 01:44 |
| sabdfl | not least, when we spin off new business ideas, we can use nny | 01:45 |
| sabdfl | for old times sake | 01:45 |
| fabbione | sabdfl: eheh cool idea :) | 01:45 |
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| Kamion | hm, we'll want live torrents | 01:47 |
| mdz | we have them already | 01:47 |
| Kamion | not in simple/hoary/ we don't | 01:47 |
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| Kamion | for some reason it only torrents the install CDs automatically, that's a bug | 01:47 |
| sabdfl | mdz: need to ping cliff for a new splashscreen | 01:47 |
| mdz | it doesn't copy the ones you already generated? | 01:47 |
| sabdfl | i think we could make it really nice with the new look | 01:48 |
| Kamion | no, I wasn't sure if they were URL-dependent or what | 01:48 |
| Kamion | and I can't rely on having torrents for dailies anyway | 01:48 |
| Kamion | oh, besides, the ones in releases.u.c have "Ubuntu CD releases.ubuntu.com" as the comment | 01:48 |
| mdz | sabdfl: he has made some, but they were sort of left behind by the last-minute desktop changes | 01:48 |
| sabdfl | mdz: should we put the .torrent url's directly in the announcement? | 01:48 |
| mdz | sabdfl: tough call | 01:49 |
| sabdfl | let's do it | 01:49 |
| mdz | 6 URLs is too many to pack in there, I'd say | 01:49 |
| sabdfl | can i edit again? | 01:49 |
| mdz | edit away, I'm branched already :-P | 01:49 |
| sabdfl | ok, have it your way :-) | 01:49 |
| sabdfl | i suppose the directory listing will include the torrents? | 01:49 |
| Kamion | yes | 01:49 |
| sabdfl | so people will use them when our bandwidth is maxed | 01:49 |
| mdz | - it's a lot of URLs | 01:49 |
| mdz | - not everyone can use the .torrent, and those who can't will be confused | 01:50 |
| sabdfl | fuck, i forgot to bump up our ceiling | 01:50 |
| sabdfl | will do it for final | 01:50 |
| mdz | - if we don't list them all, we'll have to choose which architectures | 01:50 |
| mdz | sabdfl: how much advance notice do they need? | 01:50 |
| sabdfl | mdz: not much | 01:50 |
| sabdfl | i don't think there's actually a cap on there | 01:50 |
| Kamion | 'k, syncing | 01:50 |
| sabdfl | but it might result in a bill | 01:50 |
| Kamion | (to mirrors) | 01:50 |
| mdz | sabdfl: if there is, it's >=200mbit | 01:51 |
| sabdfl | we've hit 300mbit before easily | 01:51 |
| sabdfl | and for final i'd not be surprised if we crack 500 | 01:51 |
| sabdfl | that's like a CD every 10 seconds | 01:51 |
| sabdfl | like a virtual mako | 01:51 |
| mdz | elmo said we would receive no bill for bursting | 01:51 |
| mdz | so I assume we'll just get out-competed at some point | 01:52 |
| sabdfl | in general i've held them to that | 01:52 |
| sabdfl | ok, just left a voicemail for the guy, so he doesn't get the WTF experience | 01:53 |
| Kamion | come on, mirnyy, you can do it | 01:53 |
| sabdfl | mdz: take a nap, we'll call when little is done :-) | 01:53 |
| sabdfl | ah, mirnyy | 01:53 |
| Kamion | little's done, it's all the rsyncs now | 01:53 |
| mdz | aren't those syncing from little? | 01:54 |
| thom | torrents should be up | 01:54 |
| Kamion | although will need another sync-mirrors run 'cos I forgot to update the releases.ubuntu.com index, but that should be quick | 01:54 |
| Kamion | mdz: yeah | 01:54 |
| mdz | surely little is the bottleneck | 01:54 |
| sabdfl | !!! w00t | 01:54 |
| Kamion | but I stop regarding it as little's responsibility :) | 01:54 |
| sabdfl | sorry, premature exclamation | 01:54 |
| fabbione | that "w00t" looks so much to the one that was in the apache build process.... | 01:55 |
| fabbione | was that coming from you sabdfl ? | 01:55 |
| Kamion | I thought that was netgod's fault | 01:56 |
| sabdfl | cosmic ray, synapse | 01:56 |
| mdz | is that the one that echoed a bell to the terminal too? | 01:56 |
| Kamion | oh, it's still doing http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/preview/, hmm | 01:56 |
| mdz | man I hated that | 01:56 |
| Mithrandir | mdz: you have beeps on? | 01:56 |
| Kamion | bind 'set bell-style none' | 01:57 |
| fabbione | mdz: ???? | 01:57 |
| Treenaks | xset b off :) | 01:57 |
| fabbione | 01:57 | |
| mdz | you people are crazy | 01:57 |
| fabbione | ^^this ring a bell | 01:57 |
| mdz | no | 01:57 |
| fabbione | it should... | 01:57 |
| mdz | I'm talking about debian/rules which would do echo ^G | 01:57 |
| mdz | I thought it was apache | 01:57 |
| fabbione | no no | 01:57 |
| fabbione | last i did was to use figlet to tell users to die .. or something like that | 01:58 |
| fabbione | can't remember | 01:58 |
| mdz | maybe openssl | 01:58 |
| Mithrandir | hoary i on releases.u.c | 01:58 |
| mdz | something which got a lot of security updates :-P | 01:58 |
| Kamion | ok, it's up | 01:58 |
| mdz | /hoary/ needs to say "preview" somewhere in big bold letters | 01:59 |
| mdz | in the title as well | 01:59 |
| mdz | right now it just says 5.04 and looks final | 01:59 |
| sabdfl | yes, need a <title> and <h1> that include PREVIEW | 01:59 |
| Kamion | mdz: title changed, better suggestions welcome | 01:59 |
| mdz | maybe we should call the preview 5.03 :-) | 01:59 |
| sabdfl | mdz: did think of that | 02:00 |
| sabdfl | i think 5.04-preview is better | 02:00 |
| Kamion | hm, that <h1> looks crap | 02:00 |
| sabdfl | t's good enough for me | 02:01 |
| sabdfl | anything else to be done? | 02:01 |
| mdz | sabdfl: should I change the announcement text to say 5.04-preview instead of "5.04 Preview"? | 02:01 |
| sabdfl | Kamion: could you update the ReleaseChecklist with notes from today's glitches? | 02:01 |
| sabdfl | mdz: yes please | 02:01 |
| Kamion | downgraded the other headings a notch | 02:01 |
| mdz | I made sure that the line doesn't wrap between 5.04 and preview :-) | 02:01 |
| mdz | ok, done | 02:01 |
| sabdfl | Kamion: better. take back what i said about text-boy | 02:01 |
| Kamion | :-) | 02:01 |
| sabdfl | are we ready? | 02:02 |
| mdz | ready | 02:02 |
| sabdfl | Kamion: ? | 02:02 |
| Kamion | sabdfl: I've updated my to-do list to fix the md5summing, I think everything else was OK | 02:02 |
| Kamion | ready | 02:02 |
| sabdfl | mdz: nazhmitye pazhalusta balshoi krasnuyu knopku. | 02:02 |
| mdz | is that zulu for "send the damn email already"? | 02:03 |
| sabdfl | russian | 02:03 |
| Kamion | looks Russian to me | 02:03 |
| Kamion | use Cyrillic script :-) | 02:03 |
| sabdfl | please press the big red button | 02:03 |
| Kamion | LOL | 02:03 |
| mdz | sent | 02:03 |
| sabdfl | 'cept i think my cases are all shot to hell | 02:03 |
| sabdfl | well done everybody | 02:03 |
| sabdfl | !! w00t (sorry fabbione) | 02:04 |
| fabbione | ahhaha | 02:04 |
| fabbione | why sorry with me? | 02:04 |
| sabdfl | mdz: would you like to announce to the irc channels too? | 02:04 |
| Kamion | hm, actually, yeah, there are a couple of releasechecklist items | 02:04 |
| sabdfl | ok | 02:04 |
| mdz | will do | 02:04 |
| sabdfl | Kamion: while you're there, could you put the artwork one week before in UPPER CASE and BOLD? | 02:04 |
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| mdz | waiting for the announcement to show up in the list archive so I can link to it | 02:05 |
| Kamion | sabdfl: absolutely :-) | 02:05 |
| Kamion | sabdfl: done | 02:06 |
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| sabdfl | ok | 02:08 |
| sabdfl | now, where are those bandwidth charts :-) | 02:08 |
| fabbione | ehhehe | 02:11 |
| ogra_live | elmo prmised them to me in mataro....havent seen them yet though :) | 02:12 |
| mdz | sabdfl: I can get to them | 02:16 |
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| sabdfl | mdz: privmsg acess details? | 02:18 |
| thom | is there anything sysadminy required for the release? | 02:18 |
| Kamion | thom: not sysadminy, but would you mind verifying the preview jigdos? | 02:21 |
| thom | sure, it'll take about 5 mins | 02:24 |
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| thom | Kamion, amd64 jigdo iso worked fine | 02:32 |
| Kamion | cool, thanks | 02:33 |
| thom | powerpc iso is building as i speak | 02:33 |
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| thom | Kamion: x86, powerpc jigdos look good | 02:47 |
| Kamion | thom: thanks | 03:32 |
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