=== doko [~doko___@dsl-082-082-194-251.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === joaocruz [~joao@ip68-0-220-224.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === joaocruz [~joao@ip68-0-220-224.ri.ri.cox.net] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === pitti [~martin@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === pitti [~martin@box79162.elkhouse.de] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === Alessio [~Alessio@host113-4.pool8251.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Alessio [~Alessio@host113-4.pool8251.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ajmitch [~ajmitch@port164-182.ubs.maxnet.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Alessio [~Alessio@host113-4.pool8251.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === sabdfl [~mark@host217-37-231-22.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:08] witing for mdz === mvo [~egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ogra_live [~ubuntu@p508EAA85.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mdz [~mdz@ca-studio-bsr1o-251.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:11] sabdfl: yes? [01:11] let's talk about releasing right away [01:12] elmo's asleep, and deserves it, i am happy to go without him unless he said anything about having more to do before release [01:12] we can wake him up if there's a /.'ing [01:12] he said nothing to me [01:12] or, unless anything thinks he'd be upset to miss it [01:12] I haven't done my usual battery of testing yet, it took unexpectedly long to rsync everything [01:12] but there's been plenty of other testing this time round [01:12] he's key to the mirroring thing, but i expect he will be up before the major news sites are carrying the story [01:13] one advantage to releasing now is catching the full day's news on US tz's [01:13] even on EST it's only 0715 [01:14] but if you want me to send out the announcement, it's either soon (stay up a bit) or much later (sleep) [01:15] i'm happy to announce now, have kamion watching it for the next 8 hours while you sleep, then you covering it [01:15] ok, shall I copy to release dirs? [01:16] any objections to a release now? [01:16] my install-i386 test is still running, but hey :-) [01:16] eta till that's done? [01:17] sabdfl: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DraftHoaryPreviewAnnouncement has seen some tweaks; you want a final review before I paste it into email? [01:17] coupla minutes [01:17] mdz: has everyone had a chance to add their tech pieces [01:18] ? [01:18] I'm still unconvinced about claiming "multimedia ready" [01:18] i think the preview should be aimed at developers [01:18] that was something sivang added IIRC [01:18] it's seen a bunch of revisions [01:18] I haven't really tracked them [01:18] Kamion: I agree, that's a bit shady [01:18] can i add python 2.4? [01:18] editing now [01:18] about the only multimedia feature we have out of the box is Vorbis playback === thom [~thom@retribution.clearairturbulence.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:19] let me say vorbis playback then [01:19] what are we going to do with http://www.ubuntu.com/download/? [01:19] it has a load of direct links to warty images at the moment [01:20] sabdfl: we had that in warty, too, of course [01:20] let's not link to /download/ at all in this announcement [01:21] although only some of the links are warty-specific, some would cover both [01:21] it's a bit of a mess [01:21] mdz: we do kind of have to link somewhere ... [01:21] could we drop the multiple exclamation marks, pretty please? [01:21] Kamion: link directly to cdimage [01:21] Mithrandir: meh, yeah [01:21] mdz: well, releases.u.c [01:21] yes, please [01:21] Kamion: right [01:21] what's the link? i've got the Big Plone Lock [01:22] http://releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/ (does not yet exist) [01:22] it'll be hoary-preview-* [01:22] just that link should be enough then [01:22] /hoary/ ? [01:22] or /hoary/preview/ ? [01:22] with the same "select a CD" page that's on /warty/ [01:22] mdz: this is what we did for warty preview [01:22] hmm, ok [01:23] please don't make me reorganise releases.u.c *again* :-) [01:23] works for me [01:23] Kamion: sydney :-) [01:23] cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/preview/ is organised thus [01:23] releases.ubuntu.com exists with the express purpose of being simpler [01:23] because sabdfl wanted it that way :) [01:23] any other changes? [01:23] sabdfl: s/apt-get.org/& and more/ ? we've imported stuff from other sites as well [01:23] install-i386 is good [01:24] er [01:24] sabdfl: drop the "and DVD" please, near the top [01:24] sabdfl: there will be a lot of stuff in universe not yet on apt-get org for release (hula, php5 etc) [01:24] we decided not to do DVDs for preview [01:24] my sed-fu isn't so good.. does that mean s/apt-get.org/apt-get.org and more/ [01:25] sabdfl: yes [01:25] & is "replace with what the replacement matched" [01:25] ok, about to publish: going ... [01:25] going ... [01:26] gne [01:26] +o [01:27] drama is marginally less effective when misspelled [01:27] sabdfl: you want the announcement to go anyplace besides ubuntu-announce? [01:27] /hoary/ not found [01:27] Kamion: yes, adds that essential Dr Evil component, though [01:27] mdz: /.? [01:28] sabdfl: do they have an email submission address? [01:28] I thought someone had to submit through the webiste [01:28] website [01:28] no, got to do it manually, maybe let's NOT submit it [01:28] sabdfl: /hoary/ will be there in a bit, it takes it a while to copy and then to md5sum THE WORLD [01:28] lwn, distrowatch et yes [01:28] Kamion: and the UNIVERSE? [01:29] wow, we're >100 points ahead on the 3-month distrowatch [01:29] sabdfl: lwn is subscribed to -announce, that seems to be how they prefer to do it [01:29] I can copy them as well, but there isn't much point [01:30] after tomorrow we will be way more than that :-) [01:30] ok, -announce is fine for now then [01:30] sabdfl: fortunately little does not mirror universe ;-) [01:30] is there a distrowatch equivalent to lwn@lwn.net? === sabdfl searches memory for a long-lost set of bits [01:31] ah, distro@distrowatch.com [01:32] they don't seem to be on -announce, so I'll CC them [01:32] mdz: just to confirm, daily/20050310.2 and daily-live/20050310, right? [01:32] though they pick up stuff from our discussion lists very quickly [01:33] i.e. targets of */current [01:33] yes, unless you did another build when I wasn't looking [01:33] nope :-) [01:33] whatever matches the md5sums in preview/ [01:33] preview/ is what I'm creating at the moment [01:34] whatever you mirrored to preview and then rm -rf'd earlier, then :-) [01:34] oh god it's re-md5summing .pool/warty-*, sigh, I must fix that to be more intelligent [01:34] f1e7bf00ced6e10db4cad8fb9c33d2f6 hoary-install-amd64.iso [01:34] 0f04de0a00e922cda2e6c49c37eceb7f hoary-install-i386.iso [01:34] 1281b9ae6bd527e7d236eb8e44e8c84e hoary-install-powerpc.iso [01:34] ouch [01:34] or else it gets slower for every release we do :-) [01:35] still, faster to do this than to rewrite the publish script on the fly [01:35] 1bef5179a459a07c9e4320127193ae69 hoary-live-amd64.iso [01:35] 022b6e193cf8c95e943c97bb94c03d00 hoary-live-i386.iso [01:35] etc. [01:36] is what I tested [01:36] ok, good [01:36] sabdfl: waiting for you to save the announcement [01:37] Kamion: /hoary/ still not found [01:37] md5summing THE WORLD [01:38] sabdfl: we're not there yet :-) [01:38] going as fast as I can [01:38] mdz: i'm saved [01:38] time to upgrade little :-) [01:38] nah, time to fix scripts ;) [01:38] i was thinking [01:38] releases will grow linearly [01:38] moores law is exponential [01:39] "the preview of their second release - Ubuntu 5.04 Preview"? [01:39] in theory, time should decrease after some future release [01:39] 5.04-preview [01:39] you have the lock [01:39] the linear growth is only an artifact of me md5summing everything rather than just the new stuff [01:39] hmm, shouldnt the hoary description also read "matured" ? [01:39] i was just taking issue with a very technical point in the long term :-) [01:40] (12:34:48) Kamion: or else it gets slower for every release we do :-) [01:40] that was referring to me currently md5summing warty+hoary [01:40] I guess it can't hurt to metnion preview twice [01:40] to avoid "Ubuntu 5.04 is released!!11"-itis [01:41] sabdfl: "I must fix that to be more intelligent...or else..." [01:41] Kamion: yes, but if the cd size to be md5summed grows linearly, and system speed grows exponentially, then at some point time will start to decline [01:41] fortunately CD size cannot grow linearly :-) but DVD size might; md5summing all that all over the place will be a laugh [01:41] but yes, you're right :) [01:42] I've copied the draft announcement [01:42] i suppose we might switch to dvd-only releases at some point [01:42] and fixed the double !! [01:42] mdz: thanks [01:42] standing by [01:42] lr-x------ 1 cjwatson warthogs 64 Mar 10 12:41 3 -> /srv/cdimage.no-name-yet.com/www/simple/.pool/warty-install-amd64.iso [01:42] sigh [01:43] and one of those days we need to un-nny little [01:43] s/those/these/ [01:44] nny.com will be with us 4-ever [01:45] not least, when we spin off new business ideas, we can use nny [01:45] for old times sake [01:45] sabdfl: eheh cool idea :) === mdz yawns [01:47] hm, we'll want live torrents [01:47] we have them already [01:47] not in simple/hoary/ we don't === Kamion generates [01:47] for some reason it only torrents the install CDs automatically, that's a bug [01:47] mdz: need to ping cliff for a new splashscreen [01:47] it doesn't copy the ones you already generated? [01:48] i think we could make it really nice with the new look [01:48] no, I wasn't sure if they were URL-dependent or what [01:48] and I can't rely on having torrents for dailies anyway [01:48] oh, besides, the ones in releases.u.c have "Ubuntu CD releases.ubuntu.com" as the comment [01:48] sabdfl: he has made some, but they were sort of left behind by the last-minute desktop changes [01:48] mdz: should we put the .torrent url's directly in the announcement? [01:49] sabdfl: tough call [01:49] let's do it [01:49] 6 URLs is too many to pack in there, I'd say [01:49] can i edit again? [01:49] edit away, I'm branched already :-P [01:49] ok, have it your way :-) [01:49] i suppose the directory listing will include the torrents? [01:49] yes [01:49] so people will use them when our bandwidth is maxed [01:49] - it's a lot of URLs [01:50] - not everyone can use the .torrent, and those who can't will be confused [01:50] fuck, i forgot to bump up our ceiling [01:50] will do it for final [01:50] - if we don't list them all, we'll have to choose which architectures [01:50] sabdfl: how much advance notice do they need? [01:50] mdz: not much [01:50] i don't think there's actually a cap on there [01:50] 'k, syncing [01:50] but it might result in a bill [01:50] (to mirrors) [01:51] sabdfl: if there is, it's >=200mbit [01:51] we've hit 300mbit before easily [01:51] and for final i'd not be surprised if we crack 500 [01:51] that's like a CD every 10 seconds [01:51] like a virtual mako [01:51] elmo said we would receive no bill for bursting [01:52] so I assume we'll just get out-competed at some point [01:52] in general i've held them to that [01:53] ok, just left a voicemail for the guy, so he doesn't get the WTF experience [01:53] come on, mirnyy, you can do it [01:53] mdz: take a nap, we'll call when little is done :-) [01:53] ah, mirnyy [01:53] little's done, it's all the rsyncs now [01:54] aren't those syncing from little? [01:54] torrents should be up [01:54] although will need another sync-mirrors run 'cos I forgot to update the releases.ubuntu.com index, but that should be quick [01:54] mdz: yeah [01:54] surely little is the bottleneck [01:54] !!! w00t [01:54] but I stop regarding it as little's responsibility :) [01:54] sorry, premature exclamation [01:55] that "w00t" looks so much to the one that was in the apache build process.... [01:55] was that coming from you sabdfl ? [01:56] I thought that was netgod's fault [01:56] cosmic ray, synapse [01:56] is that the one that echoed a bell to the terminal too? [01:56] oh, it's still doing http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/preview/, hmm [01:56] man I hated that [01:56] mdz: you have beeps on? [01:57] bind 'set bell-style none' [01:57] mdz: ???? [01:57] xset b off :) [01:57] [01:57] you people are crazy [01:57] ^^this ring a bell [01:57] no [01:57] it should... [01:57] I'm talking about debian/rules which would do echo ^G [01:57] I thought it was apache [01:57] no no [01:58] last i did was to use figlet to tell users to die .. or something like that [01:58] can't remember [01:58] maybe openssl [01:58] hoary i on releases.u.c [01:58] something which got a lot of security updates :-P [01:58] ok, it's up [01:59] /hoary/ needs to say "preview" somewhere in big bold letters [01:59] in the title as well [01:59] right now it just says 5.04 and looks final [01:59] yes, need a and <h1> that include PREVIEW [01:59] <Kamion> mdz: title changed, better suggestions welcome [01:59] <mdz> maybe we should call the preview 5.03 :-) [02:00] <sabdfl> mdz: did think of that [02:00] <sabdfl> i think 5.04-preview is better [02:00] <Kamion> hm, that <h1> looks crap [02:01] <sabdfl> t's good enough for me [02:01] <sabdfl> anything else to be done? [02:01] <mdz> sabdfl: should I change the announcement text to say 5.04-preview instead of "5.04 Preview"? [02:01] <sabdfl> Kamion: could you update the ReleaseChecklist with notes from today's glitches? [02:01] <sabdfl> mdz: yes please [02:01] <Kamion> downgraded the other headings a notch [02:01] <mdz> I made sure that the line doesn't wrap between 5.04 and preview :-) [02:01] <mdz> ok, done [02:01] <sabdfl> Kamion: better. take back what i said about text-boy [02:01] <Kamion> :-) [02:02] <sabdfl> are we ready? [02:02] <mdz> ready [02:02] <sabdfl> Kamion: ? [02:02] <Kamion> sabdfl: I've updated my to-do list to fix the md5summing, I think everything else was OK [02:02] <Kamion> ready [02:02] <sabdfl> mdz: nazhmitye pazhalusta balshoi krasnuyu knopku. [02:03] <mdz> is that zulu for "send the damn email already"? [02:03] <sabdfl> russian [02:03] <Kamion> looks Russian to me [02:03] <Kamion> use Cyrillic script :-) [02:03] <sabdfl> please press the big red button [02:03] <Kamion> LOL [02:03] <mdz> sent [02:03] <sabdfl> 'cept i think my cases are all shot to hell [02:03] <sabdfl> well done everybody [02:04] <sabdfl> !! w00t (sorry fabbione) [02:04] <fabbione> ahhaha [02:04] <fabbione> why sorry with me? [02:04] <sabdfl> mdz: would you like to announce to the irc channels too? [02:04] <Kamion> hm, actually, yeah, there are a couple of releasechecklist items [02:04] <sabdfl> ok [02:04] <mdz> will do [02:04] <sabdfl> Kamion: while you're there, could you put the artwork one week before in UPPER CASE and BOLD? === Seveas [dennis@ksl403-uva-190.wireless.uva.nl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:05] <mdz> waiting for the announcement to show up in the list archive so I can link to it [02:05] <Kamion> sabdfl: absolutely :-) [02:06] <Kamion> sabdfl: done === joolz [~joolz@kiar.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:08] <sabdfl> ok [02:08] <sabdfl> now, where are those bandwidth charts :-) [02:11] <fabbione> ehhehe [02:12] <ogra_live> elmo prmised them to me in mataro....havent seen them yet though :) [02:16] <mdz> sabdfl: I can get to them === thom [~thom@retribution.clearairturbulence.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:18] <sabdfl> mdz: privmsg acess details? [02:18] <thom> is there anything sysadminy required for the release? [02:21] <Kamion> thom: not sysadminy, but would you mind verifying the preview jigdos? [02:24] <thom> sure, it'll take about 5 mins === joolz [~joolz@kiar.xs4all.nl] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] [02:32] <thom> Kamion, amd64 jigdo iso worked fine [02:33] <Kamion> cool, thanks [02:33] <thom> powerpc iso is building as i speak === thom [~thom@amnesiac.heapspace.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === lamont [~lamont@mix.mmjgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:47] <thom> Kamion: x86, powerpc jigdos look good [03:32] <Kamion> thom: thanks === pitti [~martin@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === pitti [~martin@box79162.elkhouse.de] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === jbailey [~jbailey@CPE000ded9d787c-CM014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === smurfix [~smurf@run.smurf.noris.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === apokryphos [~apokrypho@host-84-9-33-153.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Alessio [~Alessio@host113-4.pool8251.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Seveas [dennis@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Alessio [~Alessio@host113-4.pool8251.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mjg59 [mjg59@cavan.codon.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === sabdfl [~mark@host217-37-231-22.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === Alessio [~Alessio@host113-4.pool8251.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-meeting