[01:08] <sabdfl> witing for mdz
[01:11] <mdz> sabdfl: yes?
[01:11] <sabdfl> let's talk about releasing right away
[01:12] <sabdfl> elmo's asleep, and deserves it, i am happy to go without him unless he said anything about having more to do before release
[01:12] <sabdfl> we can wake him up if there's a /.'ing
[01:12] <mdz> he said nothing to me
[01:12] <sabdfl> or, unless anything thinks he'd be upset to miss it
[01:12] <Kamion> I haven't done my usual battery of testing yet, it took unexpectedly long to rsync everything
[01:12] <Kamion> but there's been plenty of other testing this time round
[01:12] <sabdfl> he's key to the mirroring thing, but i expect he will be up before the major news sites are carrying the story
[01:13] <sabdfl> one advantage to releasing now is catching the full day's news on US tz's
[01:13] <mdz> even on EST it's only 0715
[01:14] <mdz> but if you want me to send out the announcement, it's either soon (stay up a bit) or much later (sleep)
[01:15] <sabdfl> i'm happy to announce now, have kamion watching it for the next 8 hours while you sleep, then you covering it
[01:15] <Kamion> ok, shall I copy to release dirs?
[01:16] <sabdfl> any objections to a release now?
[01:16] <Kamion> my install-i386 test is still running, but hey :-)
[01:16] <sabdfl> eta till that's done?
[01:17] <mdz> sabdfl: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DraftHoaryPreviewAnnouncement has seen some tweaks; you want a final review before I paste it into email?
[01:17] <Kamion> coupla minutes
[01:17] <sabdfl> mdz: has everyone had a chance to add their tech pieces
[01:18] <sabdfl> ?
[01:18] <Kamion> I'm still unconvinced about claiming "multimedia ready"
[01:18] <sabdfl> i think the preview should be aimed at developers
[01:18] <Kamion> that was something sivang added IIRC
[01:18] <mdz> it's seen a bunch of revisions
[01:18] <mdz> I haven't really tracked them
[01:18] <mdz> Kamion: I agree, that's a bit shady
[01:18] <sabdfl> can i add python 2.4?
[01:18] <sabdfl> editing now
[01:18] <mdz> about the only multimedia feature we have out of the box is Vorbis playback
[01:19] <sabdfl> let me say vorbis playback then
[01:19] <Kamion> what are we going to do with http://www.ubuntu.com/download/?
[01:19] <Kamion> it has a load of direct links to warty images at the moment
[01:20] <mdz> sabdfl: we had that in warty, too, of course
[01:20] <mdz> let's not link to /download/ at all in this announcement
[01:21] <Kamion> although only some of the links are warty-specific, some would cover both
[01:21] <Kamion> it's a bit of a mess
[01:21] <Kamion> mdz: we do kind of have to link somewhere ...
[01:21] <Mithrandir> could we drop the multiple exclamation marks, pretty please?
[01:21] <mdz> Kamion: link directly to cdimage
[01:21] <Kamion> Mithrandir: meh, yeah
[01:21] <Kamion> mdz: well, releases.u.c
[01:21] <mdz> yes, please
[01:21] <mdz> Kamion: right
[01:21] <sabdfl> what's the link? i've got the Big Plone Lock
[01:22] <Kamion> http://releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/ (does not yet exist)
[01:22] <Kamion> it'll be hoary-preview-*
[01:22] <sabdfl> just that link should be enough then
[01:22] <mdz>  /hoary/ ?
[01:22] <mdz> or /hoary/preview/ ?
[01:22] <Kamion> with the same "select a CD" page that's on /warty/
[01:22] <Kamion> mdz: this is what we did for warty preview
[01:22] <mdz> hmm, ok
[01:23] <Kamion> please don't make me reorganise releases.u.c *again* :-)
[01:23] <sabdfl> works for me
[01:23] <sabdfl> Kamion: sydney :-)
[01:23] <Kamion> cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/preview/ is organised thus
[01:23] <Kamion> releases.ubuntu.com exists with the express purpose of being simpler
[01:23] <Kamion> because sabdfl wanted it that way :)
[01:23] <sabdfl> any other changes?
[01:23] <mdz> sabdfl: s/apt-get.org/& and more/ ?  we've imported stuff from other sites as well
[01:23] <Kamion> install-i386 is good
[01:24] <Kamion> er
[01:24] <Kamion> sabdfl: drop the "and DVD" please, near the top
[01:24] <ogra_live> sabdfl: there will be a lot of stuff in universe not yet on apt-get org for release (hula, php5 etc)
[01:24] <Kamion> we decided not to do DVDs for preview
[01:24] <sabdfl> my sed-fu isn't so good.. does that mean s/apt-get.org/apt-get.org and more/
[01:25] <Mithrandir> sabdfl: yes
[01:25] <Mithrandir> & is "replace with what the replacement matched"
[01:25] <Kamion> ok, about to publish: going ...
[01:25] <Kamion> going ...
[01:26] <Kamion> gne
[01:26] <Kamion> +o
[01:27] <Kamion> drama is marginally less effective when misspelled
[01:27] <mdz> sabdfl: you want the announcement to go anyplace besides ubuntu-announce?
[01:27] <sabdfl>  /hoary/ not found
[01:27] <sabdfl> Kamion: yes, adds that essential Dr Evil component, though
[01:27] <sabdfl> mdz:  /.?
[01:28] <mdz> sabdfl: do they have an email submission address?
[01:28] <mdz> I thought someone had to submit through the webiste
[01:28] <mdz> website
[01:28] <sabdfl> no, got to do it manually, maybe let's NOT submit it
[01:28] <Kamion> sabdfl: /hoary/ will be there in a bit, it takes it a while to copy and then to md5sum THE WORLD
[01:28] <sabdfl> lwn, distrowatch et yes
[01:28] <sabdfl> Kamion: and the UNIVERSE?
[01:29] <mdz> wow, we're >100 points ahead on the 3-month distrowatch
[01:29] <mdz> sabdfl: lwn is subscribed to -announce, that seems to be how they prefer to do it
[01:29] <mdz> I can copy them as well, but there isn't much point
[01:30] <fabbione> after tomorrow we will be way more than that :-)
[01:30] <sabdfl> ok, -announce is fine for now then
[01:30] <Kamion> sabdfl: fortunately little does not mirror universe ;-)
[01:30] <mdz> is there a distrowatch equivalent to lwn@lwn.net?
[01:31] <mdz> ah, distro@distrowatch.com
[01:32] <mdz> they don't seem to be on -announce, so I'll CC them
[01:32] <Kamion> mdz: just to confirm, daily/20050310.2 and daily-live/20050310, right?
[01:32] <mdz> though they pick up stuff from our discussion lists very quickly
[01:33] <Kamion> i.e. targets of */current
[01:33] <mdz> yes, unless you did another build when I wasn't looking
[01:33] <Kamion> nope :-)
[01:33] <mdz> whatever matches the md5sums in preview/
[01:33] <Kamion> preview/ is what I'm creating at the moment
[01:34] <mdz> whatever you mirrored to preview and then rm -rf'd earlier, then :-)
[01:34] <Kamion> oh god it's re-md5summing .pool/warty-*, sigh, I must fix that to be more intelligent
[01:34] <mdz> f1e7bf00ced6e10db4cad8fb9c33d2f6  hoary-install-amd64.iso
[01:34] <mdz> 0f04de0a00e922cda2e6c49c37eceb7f  hoary-install-i386.iso
[01:34] <mdz> 1281b9ae6bd527e7d236eb8e44e8c84e  hoary-install-powerpc.iso
[01:34] <thom> ouch
[01:34] <Kamion> or else it gets slower for every release we do :-)
[01:35] <Kamion> still, faster to do this than to rewrite the publish script on the fly
[01:35] <mdz> 1bef5179a459a07c9e4320127193ae69  hoary-live-amd64.iso
[01:35] <mdz> 022b6e193cf8c95e943c97bb94c03d00  hoary-live-i386.iso
[01:35] <mdz> etc.
[01:36] <mdz> is what I tested
[01:36] <Kamion> ok, good
[01:36] <mdz> sabdfl: waiting for you to save the announcement
[01:37] <sabdfl> Kamion: /hoary/ still not found
[01:37] <mdz> md5summing THE WORLD
[01:38] <Kamion> sabdfl: we're not there yet :-)
[01:38] <Kamion> going as fast as I can
[01:38] <sabdfl> mdz: i'm saved
[01:38] <sabdfl> time to upgrade little :-)
[01:38] <Kamion> nah, time to fix scripts ;)
[01:38] <sabdfl> i was thinking
[01:38] <sabdfl> releases will grow linearly
[01:38] <sabdfl> moores law is exponential
[01:39] <mdz> "the preview of their second release - Ubuntu 5.04 Preview"?
[01:39] <sabdfl> in theory, time should decrease after some future release
[01:39] <sabdfl> 5.04-preview
[01:39] <sabdfl> you have the lock
[01:39] <Kamion> the linear growth is only an artifact of me md5summing everything rather than just the new stuff
[01:39] <ogra_live> hmm, shouldnt the hoary description also read "matured" ?
[01:39] <sabdfl> i was just taking issue with a very technical point in the long term :-)
[01:40] <sabdfl> (12:34:48) Kamion: or else it gets slower for every release we do :-)
[01:40] <Kamion> that was referring to me currently md5summing warty+hoary
[01:40] <mdz> I guess it can't hurt to metnion preview twice
[01:40] <mdz> to avoid "Ubuntu 5.04 is released!!11"-itis
[01:41] <mdz> sabdfl: "I must fix that to be more intelligent...or else..."
[01:41] <sabdfl> Kamion: yes, but if the cd size to be md5summed grows linearly, and system speed grows exponentially, then at some point time will start to decline
[01:41] <Kamion> fortunately CD size cannot grow linearly :-) but DVD size might; md5summing all that all over the place will be a laugh
[01:41] <Kamion> but yes, you're right :)
[01:42] <mdz> I've copied the draft announcement
[01:42] <sabdfl> i suppose we might switch to dvd-only releases at some point
[01:42] <mdz> and fixed the double !!
[01:42] <Mithrandir> mdz: thanks
[01:42] <mdz> standing by
[01:42] <Kamion> lr-x------    1 cjwatson warthogs       64 Mar 10 12:41 3 -> /srv/cdimage.no-name-yet.com/www/simple/.pool/warty-install-amd64.iso
[01:42] <Kamion> sigh
[01:43] <Kamion> and one of those days we need to un-nny little
[01:43] <Kamion> s/those/these/
[01:44] <mdz> nny.com will be with us 4-ever
[01:45] <sabdfl> not least, when we spin off new business ideas, we can use nny
[01:45] <sabdfl> for old times sake
[01:45] <fabbione> sabdfl: eheh cool idea :)
[01:47] <Kamion> hm, we'll want live torrents
[01:47] <mdz> we have them already
[01:47] <Kamion> not in simple/hoary/ we don't
[01:47] <Kamion> for some reason it only torrents the install CDs automatically, that's a bug
[01:47] <sabdfl> mdz: need to ping cliff for a new splashscreen
[01:47] <mdz> it doesn't copy the ones you already generated?
[01:48] <sabdfl> i think we could make it really nice with the new look
[01:48] <Kamion> no, I wasn't sure if they were URL-dependent or what
[01:48] <Kamion> and I can't rely on having torrents for dailies anyway
[01:48] <Kamion> oh, besides, the ones in releases.u.c have "Ubuntu CD releases.ubuntu.com" as the comment
[01:48] <mdz> sabdfl: he has made some, but they were sort of left behind by the last-minute desktop changes
[01:48] <sabdfl> mdz: should we put the .torrent url's directly in the announcement?
[01:49] <mdz> sabdfl: tough call
[01:49] <sabdfl> let's do it
[01:49] <mdz> 6 URLs is too many to pack in there, I'd say
[01:49] <sabdfl> can i edit again?
[01:49] <mdz> edit away, I'm branched already :-P
[01:49] <sabdfl> ok, have it your way :-)
[01:49] <sabdfl> i suppose the directory listing will include the torrents?
[01:49] <Kamion> yes
[01:49] <sabdfl> so people will use them when our bandwidth is maxed
[01:49] <mdz> - it's a lot of URLs
[01:50] <mdz> - not everyone can use the .torrent, and those who can't will be confused
[01:50] <sabdfl> fuck, i forgot to bump up our ceiling
[01:50] <sabdfl> will do it for final
[01:50] <mdz> - if we don't list them all, we'll have to choose which architectures
[01:50] <mdz> sabdfl: how much advance notice do they need?
[01:50] <sabdfl> mdz: not much
[01:50] <sabdfl> i don't think there's actually a cap on there
[01:50] <Kamion> 'k, syncing
[01:50] <sabdfl> but it might result in a bill
[01:50] <Kamion> (to mirrors)
[01:51] <mdz> sabdfl: if there is, it's >=200mbit
[01:51] <sabdfl> we've hit 300mbit before easily
[01:51] <sabdfl> and for final i'd not be surprised if we crack 500
[01:51] <sabdfl> that's like a CD every 10 seconds
[01:51] <sabdfl> like a virtual mako
[01:51] <mdz> elmo said we would receive no bill for bursting
[01:52] <mdz> so I assume we'll just get out-competed at some point
[01:52] <sabdfl> in general i've held them to that
[01:53] <sabdfl> ok, just left a voicemail for the guy, so he doesn't get the WTF experience
[01:53] <Kamion> come on, mirnyy, you can do it
[01:53] <sabdfl> mdz: take a nap, we'll call when little is done :-)
[01:53] <sabdfl> ah, mirnyy
[01:53] <Kamion> little's done, it's all the rsyncs now
[01:54] <mdz> aren't those syncing from little?
[01:54] <thom> torrents should be up
[01:54] <Kamion> although will need another sync-mirrors run 'cos I forgot to update the releases.ubuntu.com index, but that should be quick
[01:54] <Kamion> mdz: yeah
[01:54] <mdz> surely little is the bottleneck
[01:54] <sabdfl> !!! w00t
[01:54] <Kamion> but I stop regarding it as little's responsibility :)
[01:54] <sabdfl> sorry, premature exclamation
[01:55] <fabbione> that "w00t" looks so much to the one that was in the apache build process....
[01:55] <fabbione> was that coming from you sabdfl ?
[01:56] <Kamion> I thought that was netgod's fault
[01:56] <sabdfl> cosmic ray, synapse
[01:56] <mdz> is that the one that echoed a bell to the terminal too?
[01:56] <Kamion> oh, it's still doing http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/preview/, hmm
[01:56] <mdz> man I hated that
[01:56] <Mithrandir> mdz: you have beeps on?
[01:57] <Kamion> bind 'set bell-style none'
[01:57] <fabbione> mdz: ????
[01:57] <Treenaks> xset b off :)
[01:57] <fabbione> 
[01:57] <mdz> you people are crazy
[01:57] <fabbione> ^^this ring a bell
[01:57] <mdz> no
[01:57] <fabbione> it should...
[01:57] <mdz> I'm talking about debian/rules which would do echo ^G
[01:57] <mdz> I thought it was apache
[01:57] <fabbione> no no
[01:58] <fabbione> last i did was to use figlet to tell users to die .. or something like that
[01:58] <fabbione> can't remember
[01:58] <mdz> maybe openssl
[01:58] <Mithrandir> hoary i on releases.u.c
[01:58] <mdz> something which got a lot of security updates :-P
[01:58] <Kamion> ok, it's up
[01:59] <mdz>  /hoary/ needs to say "preview" somewhere in big bold letters
[01:59] <mdz> in the title as well
[01:59] <mdz> right now it just says 5.04 and looks final
[01:59] <sabdfl> yes, need a <title> and <h1> that include PREVIEW
[01:59] <Kamion> mdz: title changed, better suggestions welcome
[01:59] <mdz> maybe we should call the preview 5.03 :-)
[02:00] <sabdfl> mdz: did think of that
[02:00] <sabdfl> i think 5.04-preview is better
[02:00] <Kamion> hm, that <h1> looks crap
[02:01] <sabdfl> t's good enough for me
[02:01] <sabdfl> anything else to be done?
[02:01] <mdz> sabdfl: should I change the announcement text to say 5.04-preview instead of "5.04 Preview"?
[02:01] <sabdfl> Kamion: could you update the ReleaseChecklist with notes from today's glitches?
[02:01] <sabdfl> mdz: yes please
[02:01] <Kamion> downgraded the other headings a notch
[02:01] <mdz> I made sure that the line doesn't wrap between 5.04 and preview :-)
[02:01] <mdz> ok, done
[02:01] <sabdfl> Kamion: better. take back what i said about text-boy
[02:01] <Kamion> :-)
[02:02] <sabdfl> are we ready?
[02:02] <mdz> ready
[02:02] <sabdfl> Kamion: ?
[02:02] <Kamion> sabdfl: I've updated my to-do list to fix the md5summing, I think everything else was OK
[02:02] <Kamion> ready
[02:02] <sabdfl> mdz: nazhmitye pazhalusta balshoi krasnuyu knopku.
[02:03] <mdz> is that zulu for "send the damn email already"?
[02:03] <sabdfl> russian
[02:03] <Kamion> looks Russian to me
[02:03] <Kamion> use Cyrillic script :-)
[02:03] <sabdfl> please press the big red button
[02:03] <Kamion> LOL
[02:03] <mdz> sent
[02:03] <sabdfl> 'cept i think my cases are all shot to hell
[02:03] <sabdfl> well done everybody
[02:04] <sabdfl> !! w00t (sorry fabbione)
[02:04] <fabbione> ahhaha
[02:04] <fabbione> why sorry with me?
[02:04] <sabdfl> mdz: would you like to announce to the irc channels too?
[02:04] <Kamion> hm, actually, yeah, there are a couple of releasechecklist items
[02:04] <sabdfl> ok
[02:04] <mdz> will do
[02:04] <sabdfl> Kamion: while you're there, could you put the artwork one week before in UPPER CASE and BOLD?
[02:05] <mdz> waiting for the announcement to show up in the list archive so I can link to it
[02:05] <Kamion> sabdfl: absolutely :-)
[02:06] <Kamion> sabdfl: done
[02:08] <sabdfl> ok
[02:08] <sabdfl> now, where are those bandwidth charts :-)
[02:11] <fabbione> ehhehe
[02:12] <ogra_live> elmo prmised them to me in mataro....havent seen them yet though :)
[02:16] <mdz> sabdfl: I can get to them
[02:18] <sabdfl> mdz: privmsg acess details?
[02:18] <thom> is there anything sysadminy required for the release?
[02:21] <Kamion> thom: not sysadminy, but would you mind verifying the preview jigdos?
[02:24] <thom> sure, it'll take about 5 mins
[02:32] <thom> Kamion, amd64 jigdo iso worked fine
[02:33] <Kamion> cool, thanks
[02:33] <thom> powerpc iso is building as i speak
[02:47] <thom> Kamion: x86, powerpc jigdos look good
[03:32] <Kamion> thom: thanks