[12:00] <error_29> excellent, mlambie- thank you!
[12:00] <nu2ubuntu> should I report the problem with my non-ejecting drive to bugzilla?
[12:00] <thoreauputic> nu2ubuntu: sounds like it :(
[12:01] <nu2ubuntu> ok, thanks!
[12:01] <subliminaki> thoreauputic: i'm using hoary
[12:01] <ShadowRage> ermo: will ubuntu work on a 166 mhz compaq with 84 mb of ram?
[12:01] <thoreauputic> subliminaki: ah, then I can't help: sorry
[12:01] <subliminaki> :(
[12:01] <subliminaki> but is not the same on gnome?
[12:02] <thoreauputic> subliminaki: I believe they are working on it, if it's any consolation
[12:02] <mlambie> ummm... since when did ubuntu support sparc?
[12:02] <subliminaki> ok :)
[12:02] <thoreauputic> mlambie: ?
[12:02] <mlambie> http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/Release
[12:02] <mlambie> listed as an architecture
[12:03] <thoreauputic> mlambie: indeed -  interesting
[12:03] <mlambie> very
[12:04] <thoreauputic> mlambie: you might ask on the developers mailing list
[12:06] <potsed> hi 8] 
[12:08] <potsed> i am trying to install php4 but get the following errors php4: Depends: libmm13 but it is not installable        Depends: apache-common (>= 1.3.31) but it is not installable, i have apache-common2 installed.
[12:08] <potsed> i a a noob at this so plz help..thx
[12:08] <ewhitten> evenin :)
[12:10] <snoop_> ewhitten: evenin
[12:10] <Eno_> i have onboard sound (snd-cmipci) but i want to use my audigy (snd-emu10k1). i have this in my /etc/modutils/aliases "alias snd-card-0 snd_emu10k1", "options snd_emu10k1 index=0", "alias snd-card-1 snd_cmipci", and "options snd_cmipci index=1", but alsamixer still reports cmipci and  i have no sound...
[12:11] <ub99> hi
[12:11] <ub99> how can i install an ubuntu base with XFCE ?
[12:11] <iGN> Hey, ubuntu-people.
[12:12] <iGN> How do I get rid of that problem with kacpid running wild? Can I turn it off when I boot? I already reniced the process to 19.
[12:12] <iGN> (Everything else rocks, tho, thanks a bunch.)
[12:12] <bob2> isn't that a kernel thread?
[12:12] <thoreauputic> ShadowRage: from the Ubuntu PPC CD sleeve: PPC ubuntu runs on G3, G4, G5 minimum RAM 32MB, absolute minimum hard disk space for minimal install 350MB
[12:12] <iGN> Hm, I think it might be.
[12:12] <snoop_> ub99: i suppose you can install ubuntu, then use apt-get to get xfce and use it..
[12:12] <bob2> the only way to get rid of it then is to not load the acpi modules
[12:13] <iGN> It constantly hogs 98.9% CPU.
[12:13] <iGN> Is there a simple way of not loading ACPI-modules at boot-time?
[12:13] <iGN> I'm used to LILO, see. :)
[12:13] <ub99> snoop_, but i dont want gnome and other standard applications.. as i dont have much harddisk space..
[12:13] <dazed> thoreauputic: how can i update to Hoary from warty?
[12:14] <snoop_> ub99: hmm..if you have enough space, initially install then get rid of it....otherwise...
[12:15] <thoreauputic> dazed: change all instances of "warty" to "hoary" in /etc/apt/sources.list , sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:15] <dazed> okie doke
[12:15] <snoop_> ub99: yea..cant really think of anything else....anyone else have any ideas?
[12:15] <det> Is it possible to have a IA32 chroot under AMD64 ubuntu?
[12:15] <mjr> det, yes
[12:16] <ShadowRage> thoreauputic: I have 176 mb of ram
[12:16] <mjr> I have one
[12:16] <mjr> (the chroot is actually debian sid, for various reasons)
[12:16] <Eno_> how can i get it to not load snd-cmipci, and using my emu10k1 instead?
[12:16] <thoreauputic> ShadowRage: OK, well, I just thought that info from the CD cover might be useful
[12:16] <ShadowRage> thoreauputic: how well would t play with anything older than a g3?
[12:16] <error_29> man, firefox loads so slowly now I'm thinking of installing mozilla
[12:16] <ShadowRage> would it*
[12:17] <ShadowRage> 604 PPC cpu
[12:17] <thoreauputic> ShadowRage: sorry. I have no idea (I have an iBook G4 )
[12:17] <viper12> slowly error_29 ?
[12:18] <ShadowRage> thoreauputic: how much space does ubuntu take up on the HDD?
[12:18] <ShadowRage> and does it come with xfce 4.2?
[12:18] <jesuel> mmm i love my university internet connection lol :)
[12:18] <error_29> hmm, weird.  from the panel icon, firefox takes forever.  From terminal, it's instant.
[12:18] <thoreauputic> ShadowRage: default install about 1.7 Gig , and no, not by default
[12:18] <wasabi_> zenrox, put the HD in, boot with the live cd, fix it up, then boot it.
[12:18] <jesuel> ShadowRage: heh  :)
[12:19] <dazed> thoreauputic: some repositories return errors such as cant be found is there a direct copy and past i could snag?
[12:19] <wasabi_> zenwhen, , put the HD in, boot with the live cd, fix it up, then boot it.
[12:19] <viper12> ShadowRage,  I installed xfce 4.2 though and it works just fine.
[12:19] <error_29> funny how ubuntu seems to have assigned the command "mozilla" to firefox, also
[12:19] <thoreauputic> dazed: I'm on warty
[12:19] <zenwhen> Oh
[12:19] <dazed> oh lol
[12:19] <ShadowRage> k
[12:19] <zenwhen> wasabi_, you mean chroot into the install form the livecd?
[12:19] <zenwhen> I hadnt thought of that.
[12:19] <zenwhen> Thanks.
[12:20] <error_29> xfce 4.2 is pretty cool.
[12:20] <ShadowRage> ppc*
[12:20] <zenwhen> I use it on my lpatop
[12:20] <zenwhen> laptop
[12:20] <Eno_> how can i change my primary sound card?
[12:20] <viper12> I still prefer gnome, but xfce is light fast and easy on the eyes.
[12:20] <zenwhen> When I get around to using my laptop
[12:21] <saif> hello every1
[12:21] <snoop_> saif: hello
[12:21] <error_29> I'm having trouble distinguishing my gnome problems from my nautilus problems and my metacity problems.  So, I think I'll just hope for improvements in general
[12:22] <saif> i am having some problem connecting to ubuntu, i enter my user name and password then i get this error message saying that gdm could not write to my authorization file!
[12:23] <det> mjr, I can't have a Hoary chroot?
[12:23] <thoreauputic> saif: just a guess - you ran a graphical app as root and your ~/.ICEauthority file is now root:root instead of saif:saif
[12:23] <saif> it says either the disk is full or my  home directory could not be opened! what i do?! any ideas?
[12:24] <mjr> det, of course you can
[12:24] <saif> thoreauputic: well, the last i remember is i was installing apache2, but anyways, let's consider ur are right, what is the solution to this/??
[12:25] <heero> anyone know how, run a service in the boot of ubuntu?
[12:25] <mjr> I just wanted a sid install to play with for other reasons
[12:25] <thoreauputic> saif: from a terminal, run ls -l ~/.ICEauthority   If the file, as I suspect, is owned by root, delete it and try logging in again
[12:25] <heero> anyone know how, run a service in the boot of ubuntu??
[12:26] <thoreauputic> heero: look at the manual for update-rc.d
[12:27] <saif> thoreauputic: -rw-r--r-x saif saif :(
[12:27] <saif> thoreauputic: delete it anyways?
[12:27] <det> mjr, ahh, ok
[12:28] <thoreauputic> saif: it should be just rw for the owner (you in this case)
[12:28] <thoreauputic> try deleting it, yeah
[12:29] <thoreauputic> saif: mine is     -rw-------    1 peter    peter
[12:29] <thoreauputic> saif: but I don't know if that will help (odd permissions, though)
[12:29] <ermo> *grr* what's the point in having a bugzilla if it doesn't work?!?
[12:30] <viper12> well it does live up to its name that way huh?  heh heh. :D
[12:30] <ShadowRage> ONOES IT'S BUGZILLA *cue giant insect*
[12:31] <thoreauputic> viper12: catch 22, trying to report a bugzilla bug on a non-working bugzilla ;)
[12:31] <saif> thoreauputic: yippi yey!! it worked! thanx alot man!
[12:31] <viper12> thoreauputic:  lmao.
[12:31] <thoreauputic> saif: you're welcome :)
[12:31] <viper12> there's gotta be a movie script in there somewhere.  ;)
[12:31] <ermo> vincent, it's just, well, I just wasted 30 minutes trying to do the 'noble' thing. And then I'm not allowed to enter a bug because the 'package' field is broken *but required*
[12:32] <ermo> viper12, sorry
[12:32] <ermo> I'm emailing it instead.
[12:32] <viper12> lmao........why do people call me vincent sometimes?  yer not the first.........looks around confusticated.  ;)
[12:32] <thoreauputic> ermo: post it on the user's list :)
[12:32] <quarupt> howcome when i type vncviewer into the prompt and a box pops up i type in the ip and press enter, and nothing happens?
[12:32] <thoreauputic> viper12: automatic tab completion ?
[12:32] <ermo> viper12, because tab-completion calls up vincent #1, viper12 #2
[12:32] <viper12> prolly
[12:32] <viper12> lmao.
[12:33] <ermo> thoreauputic, is there any way I can post it there without subscribing? (I absolutely loathe mailing-lists - hail gmane)
[12:33] <quarupt> is there a vnc viewer in the menus somewhere?
[12:35] <viper12> applications>intenet> terminal server client
[12:35] <viper12> pick your poison from there.
[12:36] <thoreauputic> ermo: I think it's possible - check the lists page at lists.ubuntu.com (that url is from memory)
[12:37] <quarupt> hrm, i put the ip and nothing happened, it wants login and p[ass, but there is no login just a password
[12:37] <ermo> thoreauputic, Sorry. Just needed to vent some steam. I'll look into it.
[12:37] <Xappe> hmm, i'm on an ibook and have to modify the keymap so that I can use the apple keys as <alt gr>. they seems to be unmapped with my swedish configuration. how do I change this?
[12:38] <ub99> pls help
[12:39] <thoreauputic> ub99: with what?
[12:40] <ub99> thoreauputic, my netboot install doesnt work..
[12:40] <dazed> hey does anyone know how to make the keys on my keyboard control the volume?
[12:40] <crypticreign> what the heck happened to the mark as read in evolution
[12:40] <ub99> thoreauputic, it cant connect to the deb mirrors..
[12:41] <thoreauputic> ub99: umm..  deb mirrors?
[12:41] <ub99> thoreauputic, yeah those in sources.list
[12:41] <nerk> Hi, anyone know if there is a grapical theme builder app for gnome themes?
[12:42] <quarupt> is there some way to get someone's ip while your talking to em in msn?
[12:42] <ub99> thoreauputic, i m trying to install as described in http://www.wrigley.me.uk/wp/?p=71
[12:43] <nerk> http://packages.debian.org/stable/x11/sawfish-themer <-- Yah, something like that but for gnome
[12:44] <thoreauputic> ub99: I don't know about netboot installs, and I've never seen that howto before, sorry
[12:44] <frankenstein> heelo all
[12:44] <frankenstein> hello *
[12:44] <frankenstein> :)
[12:44] <snoop_> ;)
[12:45] <thoreauputic> ub99: maybe you could mail the author with good error messages and an explanation of how you tried to do it
[12:45] <ub99> i ve done as described ...
[12:45] <frankenstein> I am looking for a quick simple distro for a file server I have a sw based raid5 with lvm2 on top of this the machine I am moving it into is a 233mhz with 512mb ram can ubunto fit this bill I have been googling and it keeps coming up
[12:46] <ub99> thoreauputic, do only end-user meet here? i mean no developper at all here?
[12:46] <mlambie> ub99: you'll see canonical people here occasionally.
[12:46] <frankenstein> I had this raid in my desktop running gentoo but now am wanting too move it to this other machine and do not want to spend a week getting gentoo up if you know what I mean
[12:46] <thoreauputic> ub99: I notice the blog has a comments field - use that And yes, some developers are here at various times
[12:46] <orospakr> hi!  I can't enable DMA on my k8t800 motherbord's PATA ports with ubuntu-amd64.  (hdparm -d1 returns operation not permitted)
[12:47] <snoop_> frankenstein: hmm..well i believe it was made more for desktops, but if you cut the fat...yeah maybe
[12:47] <snoop_> frankenstein: gentoo's good  for that kinda stuff.......how's about slack?
[12:48] <ub99> There should be a real netinstall pkg / howto out there!
[12:48] <ub99> i mean an official one
[12:48] <frankenstein> snoop_, I was looking at slack but kept seeing ubunto come up in my google journeys and thought I would explore abit :)
[12:48] <thoreauputic> ub99: write to the users list or file a bug
[12:49] <snoop_> frankenstein: yeah..ubuntu is a really good distro
[12:49] <jpaine> how can I get a kernel like in the live cd? can I use fb to get good resolution console text???
[12:49] <ub99> ok thx thoreauputic i just try out QEMU netinstall maybe it works with it..
[12:49] <ub99> cu all
[12:49] <ub99> gn8
[12:49] <snoop_> frankenstein: but for servers i would say gentoo, slack or some gui light distro...
[12:50] <frankenstein> it is more geared at the desktop though I gues a straight slack or debian would be aok I was kinda looking for something designed to do this outta the box with a 15 minute or less install samba nfs capabilities and still all the lovely features of sw raid and LVM :)
[12:50] <snoop_> of course...
[12:50] <frankenstein> lormalinux seems close
[12:51] <snoop_> how could i not mention the mother of all distros...
[12:51] <ermo> snoop_, =] 
[12:51] <frankenstein> I am d/l ubuntu though I'll give it a shot it looks good
[12:52] <snoop_> frankenstein: googling around...netbsd is rcommended too, though i am more of a linux person...
[12:52] <frankenstein> yeah me too :)
[12:52] <nerk> ahh.. glade is what ppl use to make gnome themes?
[12:53] <frankenstein> thanks snoop_ I am off on my hunt for quick and dirty fileserver setup lol probably wind up using slack or deb just gonna have too flip a coin I guess
[12:53] <snoop_> frankenstein: no prob at all
[12:53] <robtaylor> nerk: glade is a user unterface builder
[12:53] <snoop_> frankenstein: yeah..the hardest part: choosing ..
[12:53] <snoop_> :)
[12:54] <frankenstein> always is ;)
[12:54] <robtaylor> theres a choice? ;P)
[12:54] <frankenstein> ttfn
[12:55] <Infinitus> I'm just installing ubuntu right now on my laptop
[12:57] <travail101> do any of you ubuntuers use Gnomemeeting?
[12:57] <Infinitus> I don't know yet. I'm just installing ubuntu for the first time.
[12:58] <travail101> I really should try Ubuntu sometime... maybe I'll order those free CDs this week
[12:59] <thenuke> travail101: you will get it a bit more faster if you download it by yourself
[12:59] <thenuke> travail101: but if you do order it, do ask for like 5-10cd's or whatever
[12:59] <thenuke> and then give them to your friends
[12:59] <travail101> :-P
[01:00] <thenuke> there is the install AND live cd's
[01:00] <thenuke> so anyone can try it
[01:00] <thenuke> without installing it over windows and so on
[01:00] <travail101> yeah
[01:00] <travail101> I know a lot about Ubuntu already
[01:00] <thenuke> yup
[01:00] <thenuke> then you might know also that you really should help your friends to get over windows also ;D
[01:00] <travail101> and I have the current liveCD... I don't use it though because it doesn't have my wireless drivers... otherwise I would, it's nicer looking/feeling than Knoppix
[01:01] <thenuke> well it is most certain that you are better of having both. windows and linux
[01:01] <thenuke> linux for games and such, and linux for else
[01:01] <travail101> oh yes, I know that, I always try to get my friend on Linux
[01:01] <thenuke> oh, windows for games and linux for anything else :)
[01:01] <tjs> is there any way to get evolution 2.2 in ubuntu?
[01:01] <tjs> Im running latest hoary and only have 2.1.5
[01:01] <travail101> or some UNIX variant
[01:01] <gasull> hello all
[01:02] <travail101> tjs.... i know of one way ;)
[01:02] <tjs> travail101, compile it from source?
[01:02] <error_29> windows for all the open source stuff or other excellent non-microsoft freeware that you haven't had time to find substitutes for in linux...
[01:03] <mjr> ubuntu hoary x86 for games and stuff, ubuntu warty amd64 for serious business ;)
[01:03] <mjr> oh, and the latter also for multimedia :)
[01:03] <travail101> thenuke, well I don't play games anymore, except silly trivial games like... samegame and majhongg, so the only thing I used windows for was webcam, but now there's Qnext so here goes "rm -rf C:\WINDOWS" ;)
[01:03] <gasull> when I use ubuntu, i loose my internet connection in a few minutes.  it doesn't happen with windows.  any ideas?
[01:03] <travail101> tjs yep
[01:03] <saif> hello every1, i just installed the apache2-doc but how do i access installed documentations?!?
[01:03] <snoop_> mjr: i havent had a 64 yet, any advantages?
[01:03] <HrdwrBoB> travail101: I play games, and I haven't used windows in years ;)
[01:03] <thenuke> travail101: good for you :)
[01:03] <travail101> tjs, or try to install portage (from Gentoo)
[01:04] <gasull> saif try "locate apache" at the linux prompt
[01:04] <marcin_ant> tjs: apt-get update - I got evo 2.2 since yesterday
[01:04] <tjs> Oh btw I just rolled out ubuntu warty exclusivly on 30k worth of servers in our datacenter, the whole thing was smooth and idealic
[01:04] <travail101> it's nice to be able to simply kill the x server if something gets out of control and then restart it rather than press any key to reboot after getting the blue screen
[01:05] <tjs> marcin_ant .. what archive are you using?
[01:05] <snoop_> yea...if only i could convince people to let me keep ubuntu or any linux on a computer for more than two days....
[01:05] <gasull> does anybody know, where to check why i loose my internet connection whe i use ubuntu?
[01:05] <mjr> snoop_, in practice not much, except more horsepower (mainly due to the other architectural improvements, not the bitness per se)
[01:06] <travail101> tjs, do you have an Athlon XP?
[01:06] <mike_douglas> gasull: dmesg might have something
[01:06] <tjs> travail101, no
[01:06] <error_29> Can anybody explain this phenomenon to me:  I close the lid of my laptop, and get a black, frozen screen with a blinking cursor.  Totally locked.
[01:06] <tjs> I have a pentium M class, why?
[01:06] <mike_douglas> error_29: CTRL-ALT-F7
[01:06] <snoop_> mjr: better for games, but not much for regular apps? :)
[01:06] <mike_douglas> the window switched away from the current xsession
[01:06] <mike_douglas> happens all the time for me
[01:07] <error_29> mike_douglas, that does what?  unlocks the screen?
[01:07] <error_29> or logs me in again?
[01:07] <travail101> tjs, I have binary packages for all the programs I've emerged on my system, but they are -march athlon-xp... so they wouldn't do you any good...
[01:07] <tjs> ah, dist_upgrade got it :)
[01:07] <mike_douglas> it returns the monitor to the current X11 (graphical) session
[01:08] <error_29> I mean, is this a bug or a feature?  I'd like to have the thing hibernate or at least go to sleep when closing the lid
[01:08] <mjr> snoop_, well, I would use the 64-bit side for gaming too, but nwn requires 3d acceleration, and the DRI drivers don't support 32-bit clients on 64-bit kernels yet ;/
[01:08] <mike_douglas> error_29: bug :)
[01:09] <travail101> error_29, AFAIK hibernation, and sleeping are still fairly uneasy to set up... I would also like those features though
[01:09] <schweeb> isn't evolution release tied with GNOME release?
[01:10] <snoop_> mjr: yea..that sucks....oh well...
[01:10] <error_29> worst problem with ubuntu on my laptop so far; doesn't pay to carry it around, because of loooong bootup, especially when not connected to my lan (almost three minutes) and completely insane battery readings and power drain
[01:10] <mike_douglas> error_29: Ctrl-C on the network connecting part of the boot will skip that part and save lots of time
[01:11] <travail101> Novell's website is very bulky...
[01:11] <HiddenWolf> how do I select a new icon theme?
[01:11] <error_29> cool, thanks mike_douglas-- but I've got to say, so far WinXp wins hands down on the boot-up part of the deal
[01:11] <jdub> HiddenWolf: theme dialogue, click details
[01:11] <schweeb> if anyone sees tjs again
[01:11] <mike_douglas> error_29: give the Ubuntu Hoary Preview release a try when it comes out (today?). That fixed support for one of my laptops.
[01:11] <schweeb> tell him that evo 2.2 is essentially already in Hoary
[01:12] <thoreauputic> error_29: if you don't need maximum brightness, dimming the display makes a big difference in power consumption
[01:13] <marcin_ant> tjs: just hoary
[01:13] <travail101> error_29, turn off the lan scripts for bootup or figure out how to make it broadcast for DHCP in the background... this will solve that little problem
[01:13] <error_29> yes, of course thoreauputic ! that I know.  goes for windows too.  But i can't even tell how much juice i've got left.  completely inconsistent readings.
[01:13] <darkon_> hi i need some help with bt878 based TV tuner card and horray
[01:13] <Hank> Good day ubuntites
[01:13] <error_29> Thanks travail, thor, mike_douglas  et al... I know I have a lot of homework to do on configuring things so startup isn't so annoying.
[01:14] <darkon_> as i can see from the dmesg outpoot the card is recognised, but in tvtime it just wont find any channel
[01:14] <travail101> error_29, and secondly... may be uncomfortable at first, but you can always try configureing and building your own kernel and leave out all unecessary junk =D
[01:14] <Hank> Anyone had anyluck setting up a wireless network with windows serving?
[01:14] <darkon_> and lsmod list all the required modules loaded
[01:14] <mike_douglas> travail101: thats a good way to scare him away ;)
[01:15] <|Arioch|> Could someone please tell me where the config file is for dhttpd?
[01:15] <travail101> speaking of having it broadcast for DHCP in the background... does anyone here know I how to do that, I'd still like to know myself
[01:15] <maggi> can anyone tell me how I add a DEBIAN repository in ubuntu?
[01:15] <Hank> maggi, use the dpkg command.
[01:15] <thoreauputic> maggi: preferably, you don't
[01:15] <error_29> heh heh travail101 , that's what i was thinking.  as soon as i get over my basic incompetence, I'll be customizing the hell out of debian or whatever!
[01:16] <travail101> mike_douglas, well... as long as he doesn't delete the good kernel, it's just "playing" right, it should be fun!
[01:16] <Hank> say; sudo dpkg -i name_of_package.deb
[01:16] <det> that is not adding a repository
[01:16] <jpaine> how the heck are you supposed to set a root password for ubuntu?
[01:16] <det> to add a repository you must edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:16] <thoreauputic> Hank: I don't think that's what he wants to do :)
[01:16] <maggi> I know how to use the sudo dpkg etc.
[01:16] <travail101> error_29, check out Gentoo ;)
[01:16] <Hank> oh, my bad
[01:16] <snoop_> easiest would be to add it in synaptic...
[01:16] <det> jpaine, apparently, you dont; You use sudo exclusively
[01:16] <error_29> i was afraid you'd say that, travail101 ...;)
[01:16] <Hank> did you check the ubuntuguide.org
[01:17] <mike_douglas> travail101: heh, I still remember my first kernel, good times :)
[01:17] <maggi> det: If I remember correctly I had to do something extra and not just add a repository
[01:17] <thoreauputic> jpaine: you don't need to, but if you must: sudo passwd root
[01:17] <travail101> mike_douglas, lol, I don't remember the first, it's all blended together with the following 20 ;)
[01:17] <mike_douglas> you remember it when you put your filesystem as a module
[01:17] <mike_douglas> :P
[01:17] <error_29> truth is, so far ubuntu's the only thing i can even install on this presario laptop.  nothing else (nothing debian based anyway) gets all the way through install.  so bravo ubuntu!
[01:18] <jpaine> yes I do I cant do anything without a root password, and what if I dont want to use sudo? ubuntu doesnt provide a normal option of root superuser?
[01:18] <travail101> mike_douglas, lol
[01:18] <thoreauputic> jpaine: you can get a root shell with sudo -s
[01:19] <mike_douglas> error_29: try checking www.linux-laptop.net, great for configuring laptops (especially ACPI)
[01:19] <snoop_> or in the applications thing you can get a root shell
[01:19] <thoreauputic> jpaine: and I told you above how you can create a root password/user
[01:19] <jpaine> thats crazy, getting root access with a password for a normal login
[01:20] <thoreauputic> jpaine: this has been discussed at length and arguments can be made on both sides
[01:20] <zerovertex> anyone use vino? I've seen screenshot with a check box for encryption, but the version that comes with ubuntu doesn't have that. what's the deal? (link to screenshot:http://www.gnome.org/~markmc/vino-preferences-screenshot.png)
[01:20] <error_29> Thanks for the link, merv griffin, er sorry, mike_douglas !  looks like a great page
[01:21] <mike_douglas> error_29: ouch
[01:21] <travail101> if you can get a root shell with sudo
[01:21] <det> jpaine, Do you think that a root password is neccesarily more secure?
[01:21] <travail101> then you should be able to set a root password with sudo... right?
[01:21] <thoreauputic> jpaine: sudo can be disabled if you so wish, using visudo
[01:21] <error_29> sorry mike_douglas , your nick just made me nostalgic
[01:21] <jpaine> yes I think having 2 levels is more secure
[01:21] <jpaine> having a normal user
[01:21] <jpaine> and having root
[01:22] <mike_douglas> error_29: atleast it's better than michael_douglas :P
[01:22] <critter> Any Help with Wine??
[01:22] <Infinitus> folks.
[01:22] <thoreauputic> jpaine: only the first user is in /etc/sudoers by default - other users would have to be added as normal
[01:22] <Infinitus> I'm installing ubuntu on my brothers laptop.
[01:22] <Infinitus> How do I set up ethernet access through the usb port?
[01:23] <jpaine> yes
[01:23] <Infinitus> my brother has a usb to ethernet connector
[01:23] <error_29> hey, don't knock a guy who goes home to Catherine Zeta Jones, dude
[01:23] <jpaine> but it is more likley someone if any getting your user password first sence that is used most often
[01:23] <det> jpaine, Why would you want to have an additional password?
[01:23] <mike_douglas> hah
[01:23] <jpaine> then they would have to get the root which is different
[01:23] <critter> I installed IE6 and other programs . BUt how the Hell do I find the program to start them ??
[01:23] <dizzie> Evening all :)
[01:23] <det> jpaine, The password verifies identity.
[01:23] <travail101> jpaine, just make a normaol account and call you sudo account admin or something =P
[01:23] <travail101> s/normaol/normal
[01:24] <mjr> jpaine, remove yourself from sudoers and add a root pw if you really want
[01:24] <mjr> but it's not that much more insecure, it's more a matter of taste
[01:24] <mjr> basically, if your user account is compromised, the attacker can likely snoop you typing your root passwd when you use su root the next time anyway
[01:24] <travail101> jpaine, yeah do what mjr says... it's not like Ubuntu forbids having a root pw
[01:24] <mike_douglas> personally, I'd rather have one potentially hackable accounts than two
[01:24] <jpaine> is there any way to enable framebuffers in the default kernel used on warty
[01:25] <mike_douglas> jpaine: you need to set the vga parameters in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:25] <jpaine> so its enabled by default?
[01:25] <critter> Anyone Know How I start the programs installed with WIne?
[01:25] <jpaine> vesafb
[01:26] <error_29> critter, I gave up trying to figure wine out.  good luck.  I don't think the wine folks really want mortals using it.
[01:26] <mike_douglas> jpaine: it was for me, all I had to do was tell the kernel to use it
[01:26] <travail101> critter, 'wine foo'
[01:26] <jpaine> cool
[01:26] <critter> Cant find the path to the exe files
[01:26] <mjr> error_29, well, they do, but it _is_ still a developers-only release :)
[01:26] <thenuke> error_29: they want ppl to read manuals? :D
[01:26] <critter> Error Know what you mean
[01:27] <mjr> I'm sure they'll release a 1.0 one of these years
[01:27] <jpaine> and btw how do I fix when x starts my mouse works fine....but I still have a sepret X in the middle
[01:27] <error_29> I can read a manual thenuke, thank you very much.
[01:27] <travail101> critter, you need to setup you wine config, or at least read some wine documentation, I don't remember the default directory tree for wine, but I'd imagine it's something like ~/.wine/Program Files/foo
[01:28] <critter> travai what is Wine foo
[01:28] <travail101> wine is wine
[01:28] <travail101> foo is whateverprogramyouwanttoload
[01:28] <travail101> .exe
[01:28] <thenuke> error_29: that's good then :)
[01:28] <error_29> the question is whether one can realistically expect it to be worth the effort, when they seem to put little effort on helping folks with at least the basic steps after downloading the program
[01:28] <thoreauputic> critter: foo is a universal place marker ;)
[01:28] <travail101> if you want to run notepad.exe foo=notepad.exe
[01:29] <travail101> foo is whatever you want it to be
[01:29] <critter> Ahh makes sence now
[01:29] <critter> thanks
[01:29] <snoop_> foo is good but food is better...
[01:29] <snoop_> ;)
[01:29] <eb0x> Do I have to do anything to make Ubuntu launch .deb files?
[01:29] <mike_douglas> well I'm off to play KOTOR2, cya
[01:29] <thoreauputic> snoop_: unless the food is fubar ;-)
[01:29] <eb0x> everytime i try to double click one it said the application cant be launched ;/
[01:29] <error_29> foobar2000 is, also, the name of a whatever windows mp3 player.  There's a good reason to try wine right there
[01:30] <snoop_> of course :)
[01:30] <jpaine> so anyone know how to fix the X in the middle when gnome starts up and it stays there while the normal mouse works fine?
[01:30] <error_29> ah, critter, I could be wrong, but I think you may have to change permissions on the program files to launch them
[01:31] <eb0x> Anyone know?
[01:31] <thoreauputic> eb0x: I think you need to read widely on the ubuntulinux.org site, and read the links in the channel topic :)
[01:31] <error_29> I meant wonderful, not whatever, mp3 player... doh!
[01:31] <thoreauputic> eb0x: you don't "launch" a .deb
[01:31] <critter> Ill be Dammed It worked .. Thanks Guys
[01:32] <eb0x> Then what do I do?
[01:32] <travail101> critter, as in wine worked?
[01:32] <critter> Yes wine
[01:32] <thoreauputic> eb0x: do you understand what a .deb is?
[01:32] <usual> was the default theme for human changed to clearlooks?
[01:32] <usual> or am i buggin
[01:32] <travail101> critter, what did you run ?
[01:32] <jdub> usual: yes.
[01:32] <travail101> :-P
[01:32] <critter> IE6
[01:32] <usual> jdub, ahh, then it all makes so much sense now haha
[01:32] <usual> jdub, great engine
[01:32] <eb0x> No I do not.. I'm new to Linux, and everytime I try to get help, people make it *very* difficult for me to get what I need done.
[01:32] <critter> But trying to get Kazaa to work
[01:32] <thoreauputic> eb0x: it's a package that needs to be installed
[01:33] <usual> quarupt, sup man
[01:33] <jpaine> does ubuntu have a forums system on the site?
[01:33] <jdub> jpaine: ubuntuforums.org
[01:33] <critter> I ran wine config already just needed to fing the correct dir
[01:33] <jpaine> thanks
[01:33] <thoreauputic> eb0x: we try to help, but it can be difficult unless you are willing to read a bit
[01:33] <travail101> critter, there's better things than Kazaa
[01:33] <error_29> see, I spent a long time on the wine site, and somehow I missed all this foo stuff. This channel is wonderful
[01:34] <critter> Travai Like what . Lime wire sucks I know
[01:34] <travail101> critter, native linux apps
[01:34] <travail101> critter, the giFT project, and giftui with the fasttrack plugin
[01:34] <critter> Hmm will sure give it a whirl
[01:34] <travail101> critter, and while you're at it, you might as well install the Gnutella, OpenFT, and Ares plugins as well
[01:35] <critter> What are they
[01:35] <djp> does anyone here know if there is a .deb file for the gens or generator emulators?
[01:35] <thoreauputic> eb0x: so as I suggested, the links in the channel topic are a good starting point
[01:35] <marc> hi
[01:35] <eb0x> Well gee, Thanks for the help there bud. Next time someone needs help, I'll be sure to refer them here!
[01:36] <eb0x> That way they can waste their time, just as I have done.
[01:36] <bascule> error_29: http://frankscorner.org has a lot of good specific app instructions for wine
[01:36] <travail101> critter, I don't use Ubuntu so I don't know what they do and don't have in the package database, but they should have giFT and at least a few of the network plugins, if they don't have FastTrack it's really easy to compile I'll help you do that... by the way, FastTrack is the same network kazaa uses, so esentially you get kazaa plus 3 other networks
[01:36] <thoreauputic> eb0x: the problem is your question makes assumptions -
[01:36] <critter> Yea Thats where I found kazaa
[01:37] <thoreauputic> eb0x: for instance, you should use the package manager to install
[01:37] <critter> Cool
[01:38] <error_29> thanks bascule! Yo eb0x, in case you haven't noticed, I'm as much of a noob as you, and I take advantage of folks' kindness and patience, but you know what, I'm not enough of a dickhead to sabotage myself by assuming that I won't get help from busy people just because I need to do some homework
[01:38] <thoreauputic> eb0x: of course, if you prefer to be obnoxious, *nobody* will even try to help
[01:38] <travail101> critter, and if giFT doesn't suit your fancy there is also mldonkey, but it's under heavy development, and IMHO is not as stable as giFT yet... but it supports the same networks minus OpenFT and plus 3 or 4 more, like Gnutella2, and eDonkey's stuff
[01:39] <snoop_> eb0x: aye, vinegar gets you no flies, but honey does....
[01:39] <error_29> 90 percent of the stuff on here is over my head, the other ten percent doesn't sink in because I'm dense, but I just log every conversation, and know that there's stuff to be learned.  And I'm grateful
[01:39] <critter> DID a Search Cant find fast track yet dtill looking
[01:40] <travail101> critter, well... search for gift or giftd and we'll compile the FastTrack plugin from the source code ;)
[01:40] <critter> OK
[01:40] <eb0x> Fine, How do i install a .deb package?
[01:41] <DAC1138> has anyone apt-get gnome 2.10 yet?
[01:41] <snoop_> error_29: same here, but i still learn something new everyday....
[01:41] <thoreauputic> eb0x: first, can you tell us what you are trying to install? there are easier ways...
[01:41] <bascule> openFT I think it's called
[01:42] <thoreauputic> eb0x: usually one does not install directly from .deb, but rather using the synaptic package manager
[01:42] <critter> Installing giftd now
[01:42] <eb0x> I'm trying to install Kaffeine, but I found out that I have to have KDE for that.. which I don't have
[01:43] <eb0x> I also tried installing Xine and MPlayer
[01:43] <thoreauputic> eb0x: once this manager is set up, it becomes very easy to install most things
[01:43] <eb0x> Oh..
[01:43] <eb0x> How do i get that manager?
[01:43] <thoreauputic> eb0x: have you looked at http://ubuntuguide.org?
[01:43] <travail101> critter, what version, just out of curiosity?
[01:43] <critter> Ok got giftd package installed
[01:43] <critter> 1 sec
[01:44] <eb0x> no i didnt even know the site existed
[01:44] <jdub> eb0x: the reason why you're not getting the answer you want is because you're asking the wrong question, in a way :-) run synaptic in your administration menu, and browse the available software you can install
[01:44] <thoreauputic> eb0x: it's in there: computer >> system config ..package manager
[01:44] <EfaistOs> do u know how to stop an upload with  proftpd?
[01:44] <critter> ver 0.11.6-2
[01:44] <jdub> eb0x: if there are things you can't find, you might need to enable the (unsupported) universe repository
[01:44] <SiRrUs> hello jdub any news on the pre-release
[01:44] <usual> gnome 2.10 is sweet
[01:44] <jdub> SiRrUs: coming.
[01:45] <jdub> SiRrUs: it's been delayed until tomorrow.
[01:45] <travail101> usual, what's new?
[01:45] <eb0x> ah i just found it
[01:45] <eb0x> thanks
[01:45] <eb0x> lemme look through there
[01:45] <error_29> eb0x, that site is very good, well-organized reading.  It'll save you a lot of aggravation
[01:45] <SiRrUs> ah ok thanks
[01:45] <snoop_> usual: how's the memory usage?
[01:45] <usual> travail101, see the release notes
[01:45] <travail101> usual, cuz 2.8 hasn't been wooing me like i'd like it too
[01:45] <thoreauputic> eb0x: jdub is one of the developers, BTW - who is taking the time to answer you
[01:45] <travail101> oh...
[01:45] <travail101> nevermind
[01:45] <usual> too much trouble?
[01:45] <usual> heh
[01:45] <travail101> i wanted a users perspective
[01:45] <usual> snoop_, everything seems snappy
[01:45] <thoreauputic> eb0x: in case you were concerned about helpfulness...
[01:45] <travail101> release notes are machine like
[01:46] <usual> travail101, no, they have a whats new with pictures and shit
[01:46] <snoop_> usual: sweet, cant wait to get my hands on it
[01:46] <critter> Going to find setup now brb
[01:46] <usual> snoop_, upgrade to hoary
[01:46] <travail101> of course, if they say anything about patching memory holes, IO'm all for it
[01:46] <poxymox> Hi!
[01:46] <mlambie> jdub: i saw in an interview back in sept. with osnews you said that there wasn't planned support for sparc, but it looks like that's changed. was it always planned, but just never urgent?
[01:46] <error_29> whew, thoreauputic , glad you told us.  Um, have I said thank you to the ubuntu developers yet? er, no I haven't.  Well, thanks jdub!
[01:47] <snoop_> usual: i would, but my parents (i'm young) wanted their windows machine, i would be at college anyway..so i have to wait for the summer....
[01:47] <usual> snoop_, :)
[01:47] <thoreauputic> eb0x: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto   << tells you about the package manager
[01:47] <jdub> mlambie: it's not supported, but there's a community build on sparc.ubuntu.com
[01:47] <mlambie> ahh, thanks for the URL
[01:47] <jdub> it's a bit out of date, because fabio was on his honeymoon :)
[01:48] <snoop_> usual: yea...waiting for the summer really sucks.....me and a friend are going to make a pirate movie too!
[01:48] <mlambie> yeah i saw on the forums he was away when a buildd machine went down...
[01:48] <snoop_> pirates are cool!
[01:48] <snoop_> :)
[01:48] <mlambie> ninjas are better
[01:48] <snoop_> true...wizards too!!
[01:48] <mlambie> ninjas with axes beat pirates with lasers
[01:48] <error_29> highwaymen are the best
[01:49] <error_29> Stand and deliver!
[01:49] <snoop_> wizards with ninja powers...
[01:49] <snoop_> i shall slay all with my fists of doom! :)
[01:49] <mlambie> ninjas, pirates... http://www.realultimatepower.net/ very funny
[01:50] <travail101> automake, and gcc, and all that good stuff is all easily accessable on Ubuntu right?
[01:50] <snoop_> yea
[01:50] <Hank> Cans someone please send me an unaltered copy of their /etc/network/interfaces ??\
[01:50] <Hank> blahreport@gmail.com
[01:50] <snoop_> or this....http://people.howstuffworks.com/ninja.htm
[01:51] <critter> Travil gift package installed what next?
[01:51] <quarupt> wow an actual op
[01:51] <sime_> The ubuntu array disks, they are basically snapshots of the next release ?
[01:51] <quarupt> theres never ops in here
[01:51] <jdub> sime_: yes
[01:52] <jdub> quarupt: we only switch on ops if we need them
[01:52] <quarupt> man AMD64 is broke
[01:52] <quarupt> oh i see
[01:52] <sime_> jdub, live cd's or install disks ?
[01:52] <jdub> sime_: both
[01:52] <quarupt> hey jdub can ya help me get fglrx work'n?
[01:52] <jdub> better to ask your question to the channel
[01:53] <jdub> because there might be ati users around
[01:53] <jdub> who will more usefully be able to help
[01:53] <travail101> critter, you have to set up the gift daemon... just a sec
[01:53] <quarupt> Oh i have
[01:53] <critter> OK
[01:53] <quarupt> i million times
[01:53] <jdub> or point you to the wiki, etc.
[01:53] <travail101> are there any giFT users in here?
[01:53] <quarupt> i followed what wiki said to the t
[01:53] <alejandro> hola
[01:53] <jpaine> well nothing beats gentoo linux....but Im glad I at least tryed Ubuntu and will still recommend it to others
[01:53] <travail101> critter, I imagine this part is at least the same all all distrobutions
[01:53] <travail101> critter, open a console, and type gift-setup
[01:53] <error_29> is gentoo based on debian, or something else/
[01:54] <travail101> error_29, it's based on the linux kernel ;)
[01:54] <quarupt> jpaine, in my opinion, id rather use windows than use gentoo, its for people who are lazy
[01:54] <jpaine> gentoo lazy?
[01:54] <quarupt> yea
[01:54] <jpaine> ubuntu you cant define a damn thing in the base install
[01:54] <error_29> ah, yes, travail101.  I think i see why you choose that nick -- ;-)
[01:54] <quarupt> you have to build everything yourself, but
[01:54] <mlambie> off to work
[01:54] <mlambie> byebyez
[01:54] <error_29> er " chose"
[01:55] <critter> Ok haVE THIS NOW "/main/setup [0] "
[01:55] <snoop_> ninjas dont go to work...
[01:55] <quarupt> all gentoo users just scripts to build everything
[01:55] <travail101> gentoo does do everything for you
[01:55] <alejandro> dios
[01:55] <travail101> so yeah it is for lazy people
[01:55] <travail101> that have time to wait for a program to install
[01:55] <jpaine> any ubuntu isnt?
[01:55] <travail101> but then again
[01:55] <jpaine> no editing configs to begin with?
[01:55] <travail101> I've learned a lot about linux by using Gentoo
[01:55] <jpaine> ubuntu is more auto the a fedora install
[01:55] <jpaine> then
[01:56] <eb0x> can i use KDE on ubuntu?
[01:56] <error_29> j'ai pas besoin de plus de travail, moi.
[01:56] <Riddell> eb0x: please do  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingKDE
[01:56] <travail101> jpaine, in that sense, yes ubuntu really does everything for you... gentoo still let's/make's you edit configs
[01:56] <error_29> I'm lazy as hell!
[01:56] <thoreauputic> jpaine: the aim of ubuntu is to make everything "just work" as far as possible
[01:56] <jdub> eb0x: the kubuntu project is maintaining kde in ubuntu for their releases
[01:56] <quarupt> is there a GATOS packaged for Ubuntu AMD64
[01:56] <jdub> eb0x: www.ubuntu.com/wiki/Kubuntu
[01:56] <travail101> and if you want a program that isn't in portage you either have to install another package management system, like apt-get, or RPM and set that up, or compile by hand
[01:56] <critter> travai I have this now "/main/setup [0] "
[01:57] <jpaine> travail101: like any other distro
[01:57] <thoreauputic> eb0x: to use KDE apps, enable the universe repository in synaptic .. settings .. repositories
[01:57] <travail101> jpaine, exactly haha
[01:57] <Riddell> what's the easiest way to set up raid 5 on some spare disks under ubuntu?
[01:57] <Riddell> thoreauputic: kde is in main
[01:57] <thoreauputic> Riddell: in warty?
[01:57] <travail101> Gentoo just makes the grunt work easy, but the system is still uber configurable
[01:58] <travail101> and you still have to configure a good deal of stuff
[01:58] <error_29> eb0x, i found some kde apps work great within gnome.  The kicker, and a great snapshot tool, cool toy things...
[01:58] <critter> "/main/hosts_allow [LOCAL] "
[01:58] <jdub> Riddell: mdadm
[01:58] <eb0x> synaptic package manager > settings > repositories?
[01:58] <error_29> and Konqueror beats nautilus in my book
[01:58] <travail101> critter, ok the first question is just to see if you READ, type any number but 0 and press enter
[01:58] <jdub> Riddell: i guess you don't mean from install?
[01:59] <Riddell> jdub: nope, install did raid 1 for me, now I need to read up on how to do the other disks
[01:59] <travail101> critter, most things the default will be fine for...
[01:59] <travail101> critter, that is one of them
[01:59] <ama> good news is that my wireless connection works, the bad news is that this gnome 2.10 live cd will not detect that i am using nvidia and configure my x server accordingly
[01:59] <jdub> Riddell: ok, mdadm is the right answer then :)
[01:59] <thoreauputic> Riddell: eb0x is using warty - k3b etc , according to apt-cache policy, is in universe
[01:59] <jdub> Riddell: it's pretty easy, and there are good docs on the web
[01:59] <critter> Ok
[01:59] <Riddell> thoreauputic: good point
[01:59] <ama> and another bad news and show stopper is that i dont have any editors that i can find on my ubuntu based live cd :/
 Riddell: eb0x is using warty - k3b etc , according to apt-cache policy, is in universe
[01:59] <eb0x> How'd you know? ;o
[01:59] <error_29> travail101, you may have convinced me to put this laptop through more torture, and try gentoo...
[01:59] <ben0ne> omg
[02:00] <ben0ne> dist-upgrade hoary screw my ubuntu
[02:00] <ben0ne> :)
[02:00] <thoreauputic> eb0x: I did a ctcp version on you, and saw which kernel you are running
[02:00] <eb0x> Oh lol
[02:00] <Hank> Anyone got any wireless networking tips. My cards hav e an "excellent" connection with oneanother yet I can'
[02:00] <Hank> yet I cant browse
[02:00] <thoreauputic> eb0x: we have ways! *grin*
[02:00] <travail101> error_29, =D only if you have time, but it is a lot of fun, and the Gentoo chanel on this very same FreeNode, is always full, and the Gentoo documentation is excellent... but yeah... time... only if you have time
[02:00] <eb0x> :P
[02:00] <ben0ne> Hank, DNS
[02:01] <ben0ne> Hank, set your dns on /etc/resolv.conf
[02:01] <Burgundavia> Hank: do you have an ip?
[02:01] <eb0x> lol im installing 80 packages =x
[02:01] <Hank> My windows server has automatically assigned an Ip to the windows wirelss card but Im not sure about my linux wireless card
[02:02] <Hank> ben0ne, I'll try that
[02:02] <quarupt> Hank us DHCP, thats what both Windows and Linux use
[02:02] <thoreauputic> eb0x: you see how easy it can be? just hit reload, choose the package, install...
[02:02] <error_29> well, to tell you the truth, I think it's the time i'm spending that's actually the draw... weird, but i have a friend who's the same way, we're in over our heads, keep breaking stuff, and keep looking for more stuff to mess with. there are worse pastimes!
[02:02] <eb0x> ^_^
[02:02] <snoop_> what are some good wireless cards that work well with linux?
[02:02] <eb0x> woops i forgot about the .deb files i downloaded
[02:02] <Burgundavia> snoop_: I would recommend that you google the name and linux
[02:03] <eb0x> do i have to put them somewhere in order to install them? or will this automagically detect them
[02:03] <ama> indeed Burgundavia
[02:03] <Burgundavia> snoop_: Some chipsets work and some don't
[02:03] <ama> so can anyone help me?
[02:03] <Burgundavia> ama: What do you need help with?
[02:03] <ama> im a long time kde user and wanted to try gnome 2.10, so i fetched the ubuntu based live cd
[02:03] <travail101> error_29, that's how I am... when I get my linux all setup and working i get bored, and have to find new programs, or new versions to install and tinker with
[02:03] <jdub> ama: what's the problem?
[02:03] <snoop_> Burgundavia: aye..shouda though of that :0
[02:03] <ama> your hardware auto detector script logic fails when it loads intel drivers instead of my preferred and in use nvidia drivers
[02:04] <Burgundavia> jdub: nice work on the new theme
[02:04] <ama> and i do not see a text editor anywhere on this live cd
[02:04] <ama> atleast its not in my path
[02:04] <jdub> ama: gedit is there
[02:04] <travail101> critter, how's it coming?
[02:04] <jdub> ama: accessories > text editor
[02:04] <jdub> ama: also vim
[02:04] <jdub> ama: and nano
[02:04] <jdub> unless luis has removed them all from the gnome version
[02:04] <jdub> but he wouldn't have removed gedit
[02:04] <ama> i dont see it :/
[02:05] <ama> not even vim
[02:05] <Broncho> I try to run xterm to my box through ssh and it gives me this xterm Xt error: Can't open display... How do i fix this?
[02:05] <critter> Ok Got 1 question
[02:05] <error_29>  the only problem for me travail101 , is i find myself wanting to accumulate more hardware to try out with this stuff too, and that's gonna bust my bank...
[02:05] <ama> thats the bad thing, i cant re-edit my xorg.conf to use nvidia drivers
[02:05] <ama> because there is no console editor :/
[02:06] <jdub> ama: nano?
[02:06] <ama> no nano either :/
[02:06] <critter> WHat do you thoink a good badwith downstream should be they have 0 for default
[02:06] <Hank> Mm, should I be able to ping my windows netowrk card if they have a signal between them?
[02:06] <error_29> I think xterm is in there ama
[02:06] <travail101> error_29, I don't have that problem fortunately ;)
[02:06] <jdub> error_29: that's a terminal, not an editor
[02:06] <error_29> oops, xterm is what ama's looking for, right-- doh!
[02:06] <ama> i dont see nano pico or vim or even emacs
[02:06] <travail101> critter, I'd leave it at the default... why limit your download speed?
[02:06] <dizzie> Anyone running Gnome 2.10 ?
[02:06] <error_29> not!
[02:07] <ben0ne> Hank, sure
[02:07] <quarupt> Anyone in here have any luck getting FGLRX working?
[02:07] <jdub> ama: this, um, surprises me somewhat.
[02:07] <critter> Ok
[02:07] <jdub> ama: perhaps try the ubuntu livecd
[02:07] <Burgundavia> quarupt: res
[02:07] <Burgundavia> quarupt: make that yes
[02:07] <error_29> thanks jdub, I knew it as i typed it, but alas
[02:07] <ama> well this is the ubuntu livecd
[02:07] <ama> atleast it says ubuntu
[02:07] <quarupt> Burgundavia,  ya im having res problems
[02:07] <ama> all over it, but i did get it off gnome.orgs site
[02:07] <quarupt> Burgundavia, i install the driver restart my x session and i get stuck in 800x600
[02:07] <jdub> ama: yes, that's the gnome-modified version
[02:08] <Burgundavia> quarupt: ouch
[02:08] <jdub> ama: cdimage.ubuntu.com for a hoary test cd
[02:08] <travail101> hey, how can I ssh into someone else computer... easily?
[02:08] <travail101> does ubuntu have all those tools?
[02:08] <Hank> mmm, it says "Network is unreachable" when I ping its IP address
[02:08] <jdub> ama: luis is not around to ask if he did change this
[02:08] <travail101> by default? or do they need to be installed
[02:08] <critter> Travail done "Wrote /root/.giFT/ui/ui.conf.
[02:08] <critter> 2 module(s) successfully processed."
[02:08] <jdub> travail101: openssh-client is installed by default
[02:08] <ben0ne> Hank, what ifconfig says ?
[02:08] <quarupt> Burgundavia, i have no clue where to start, all the displays are marked in my Xorg.conf
[02:09] <Burgundavia> quarupt: I have no idea where to start. flgrx is buggy
[02:09] <travail101> jdub, will a client allow incoming connections?
[02:09] <jdub> travail101: no
[02:09] <travail101> jdub, I need to connect to an ubuntu user...
[02:09] <travail101> what do they need to install?
[02:09] <jdub> travail101: if you want to run an ssh server, install openssh-server
[02:09] <travail101> sshd
[02:09] <Hank> it lists the details of 'lo' and 'wlan0'
[02:10] <dizzie> Any last words before i "toast" my Gentoo install and install Ubuntu on my server? :)
[02:10] <ama> but my wireless network is working, i am quite impressed
[02:10] <Burgundavia> is there addy listed for wlan?
[02:10] <Hank> bye gentooo
[02:10] <ama> definately did not expect that :)
[02:10] <ben0ne> Hank, yeah, i know that
[02:10] <dizzie> lol Hank :)
[02:10] <Burgundavia> Hank: if there is no addy, type sudo dhclient wlan0
[02:10] <ben0ne> Hank, any ip ?
[02:10] <Hank> yes, thers an HWaddr and an inet6 addr
[02:11] <travail101> critter, now you need to... oh boy... umm... gcc automake... so on... maybe i can compile the plugins for you
[02:11] <Hank> no, no IP
[02:11] <Burgundavia> Hank should look like this -- inet addr:24.109.143.66  Bcast:255.255.255.255  Mask:255.255.252.0
[02:11] <Burgundavia> Hank: do the dhclient thing I just mentioned
[02:11] <usual> peace gentoo
[02:11] <usual> gentoobies
[02:11] <critter> Sounds Like an oh boy to me alright
[02:12] <Burgundavia> Hank: it has found your card, but something is borked in the hotplugging. I had this too
[02:12] <travail101> critter, let me try and make some binaries for you and then I'll DCC them to you over IRQ
[02:12] <Twigman> Hi everyone...
[02:12] <Hank> Ahh yes, there are error displays when the hotplug services load
[02:12] <dizzie> I like Ubuntu, it even managed to get my dodgy tvcard working :)
[02:12] <quarupt> ANYONE, know why when i switch to the flgrx driver, i get stuck in 800x600?
[02:12] <critter> ok brb
[02:13] <Hank> DHCLIENT is fruitlessly trying DHCPDISCOVER
[02:13] <Hank> No DHCP offers recieved
[02:13] <travail101> critter, but if you want to learn how to compile stuff on you own system you can ask the ubuntu folk how to set up gcc and automake and all that fun stuff
[02:13] <Twigman> Does anyone know how to use network play in gnibbles? (2.10)
[02:13] <Burgundavia> Hank: then you have an issue with your access point
[02:14] <Burgundavia> Hank: can you test this card in another machine, another distro, another os?
[02:14] <Hank> Its not set up as an access point but rather an ad-hoc dealeo
[02:14] <Hank> It works in windows :)
[02:14] <Hank> blaspheme
[02:15] <ben0ne> hoarty
[02:15] <Burgundavia> Hank: it is possible what windows is doing in adhoc mode is setting an ip based on what the other card is telling the world it is
[02:15] <ben0ne> Oohhhh
[02:15] <Burgundavia> Hank: Try setting an IP and then seeing if you can connect
[02:16] <Hank> oKAY, is there a way I can stop it doing that? How did you solve your hotplugging prob?
[02:16] <Burgundavia> hank system-->admin-->networking for the gui mode
[02:16] <Hank> OKay, I'll try set one.
[02:16] <ben0ne> hotplug blacklist
[02:16] <ben0ne> whitelist
[02:16] <ben0ne> whatever
[02:16] <Burgundavia> I reconfigured hotplug to do all network stuff
[02:16] <Burgundavia> however that was warty
[02:17] <Burgundavia> I haven't been able to test it in hoary
[02:17] <critter> Trava Id at least like to get this giftd done first :-)
[02:17] <yoko-omo> anyone here using hoary having a problem with firefox crashing?
[02:18] <Twigman> yoko-omo, nope ...
[02:18] <travail101> critter, lol, well look for giftui in synaptics
[02:18] <Twigman> yoko-omo, though I mainly use epiphany..
[02:18] <yoko-omo> not familiar with epiphany
[02:18] <travail101> critter, giftd is just a daemon, but no GUI
[02:18] <snoop_> night everyone...
[02:18] <Twigman> yoko-omo, are you using the latest update of firefox?
[02:19] <travail101> critter, it does all the work, but it's not easy to use without a GUI
[02:19] <Hank> Im still on warty
[02:19] <Twigman> Hank, Hoary rocks :)
[02:19] <travail101> critter, what kind of computer do you have? processor?
[02:19] <Twigman> (just fyi..)
[02:19] <critter> Hmm not sure what synaptics
[02:19] <Hank> what does the hotplug command do?
[02:19] <Hank> burg, IP address approach didn'
[02:19] <travail101> critter, well whatever program you use to install packages, use that to find a gift front-end
[02:19] <Hank> t work
[02:20] <Burgundavia> Hank: was just a shot
[02:20] <critter> 256 mb mem 1ghz pro
[02:20] <Broncho> Im trying to connect to my ssh server and when I run xterm it says this "X connection to localhost:10.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown) what am I doing wrong?
[02:20] <critter> OK
[02:21] <travail101> critter, actually just the brand and type of CPU is all i need... as in AMD Athlon/ Athlon XP, Intel Pentium 3/4
[02:22] <Bog_> anyone here from the security team?
[02:22] <travail101> any ubuntu devs, or gurus know what CFLAGS and CHOST settings are used in Ubuntu?
[02:22] <thoreauputic> Broncho: you are using ssh -X ? ( X forwarding) ? are you trying to run xterm on theserver?
[02:22] <Hank> gssadfg
[02:22] <Broncho> Im trying to run xterm from a windows box at school through putty
[02:22] <critter> Found GiftUi will that do???
[02:22] <Hank> hey Iburg, I did the hotplug command and no the dhclient command found an address, yay!
[02:23] <critter> gifTui is a graphical user interface to the giFT filesharing system.
[02:23] <critter> Its features are: multiple "browse user" and search tabs, network
[02:23] <critter> status, control uploads/downloads
[02:23] <thoreauputic> Broncho: so you have X forwarding enabled on the server, right?
[02:23] <quarupt> ok, so if i wanna reconfigure xorg whats the command again?
[02:23] <thoreauputic> quarupt: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:23] <quarupt> dpkg--reconfigure ?????
[02:23] <Broncho> thoreauputic:I believe so it says its on in the sshd config
[02:24] <travail101> critter, that's the one, get it while it's hot!
[02:24] <thoreauputic> Broncho: but you don't have an X server on your windows box?
[02:24] <travail101> critter, and processor type? do you know?
[02:24] <critter> amd
[02:24] <Broncho> I beleive I do
[02:24] <travail101> critter, athlon?
[02:24] <Twigman> So anyone here have any idea why gnibbles had the 'host local game' greyed out when I try and run a network game? (Hoary, gnibbles 2.10)
[02:25] <thoreauputic> Broncho: you have cygwin or something?
[02:25] <critter> Also gonna get Gnuttela plugin installed
[02:25] <critter> Yes athlon
[02:25] <thoreauputic> Broncho: you might need vnc
[02:25] <travail101> critter, install any gift plugin available
[02:25] <ama> not bad
[02:25] <Broncho> thoreauputic:well im trying to connect to my ubuntu box through putty and I do have vnc
[02:25] <ama> using onboard video
[02:25] <rever> Hi I am trying to do an make menuconfig but I need ncurses-devel installed what package will install this?
[02:25] <thoreauputic> Broncho: to run graphical apps from the linux box
[02:25] <Hank> nBurg, no luck yet but certainly progress, thanks for all your help
[02:26] <Broncho> thoreauputic:well tahts what im trying to do
[02:26] <thoreauputic> Broncho: so you are tunneling vnc with ssh?
[02:26] <zenrox> rever,  use snyaptic and search for ncurses
[02:26] <zenrox> it will be listed
[02:26] <travail101> Athlons are i686 right?
[02:26] <travail101> guys?
[02:26] <zenrox> travail101,  no
[02:26] <travail101> i585?
[02:26] <ama> nah they are i686
[02:27] <travail101> thanx
[02:27] <zenrox> nope
[02:27] <Broncho> thoreauputic: not sure if Im configured to tunnel vnc
[02:27] <ama> atleast the newer ones are
[02:27] <zenrox> k7 or sonde thing
[02:27] <travail101> no the pre XP
[02:27] <travail101> k7 is a trademark
[02:27] <travail101> it's either i586 or i686
[02:27] <travail101> k6's are i585
[02:27] <thoreauputic> Broncho: I'm no expert but it sounds like the win box isn't configured to run x apps properly from the linux machine
[02:27] <travail101> ok nevermind I found it
[02:27] <travail101> it is indeed 686
[02:28] <Broncho> hmmmm ok
[02:28] <ama> pfft i like gnome a lot
[02:28] <thoreauputic> Broncho: xterm being a basic example
[02:28] <critter> I d/l i386 ubunta
[02:28] <ama> not bad, not bad at all
[02:28] <Twigman> Broncho, from your ssh session try echo $DISPLAY to make sure forwarding is setup..
[02:28] <Broncho> Ive seen this done by others on these boxes with nothing installed and only putty running so IM sure I avhe everything I need so it has to be the box at home
[02:29] <critter> Ok got all the plugins and the gui installed
[02:29] <thoreauputic> Broncho: possible
[02:29] <Broncho> said nothing
[02:29] <Broncho> I must not have it forwarded
[02:29] <Twigman> Yeah.. sounds like it's not forwarded..
[02:30] <Broncho> how do I forward ssh
[02:30] <Twigman> There should be an option in your putty config.. hang on.. I've got it on another machine..
[02:30] <quarupt> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:30] <quarupt> can anyone elses goto this page
[02:31] <Twigman> Broncho: in the connection dialog, under connection | ssh | tunnels, make sure enable X11 forwarding is ticked..
[02:31] <usual> anyone seen packages for vnc2swf ?
[02:32] <ama> what does gnomes webbrowser use for rendering?
[02:32] <veristead> ok... so i am attempting to compile Kismet, what package can i find libncurses
[02:32] <veristead> or libcurses?
[02:32] <Twigman> ama, firefoxes gecko
[02:32] <Broncho> Twigman: it was ticked :(
[02:32] <Twigman> Broncho, hmmm..
[02:32] <travail101> critter, how many plugins did they have available, and what versions?
[02:32] <quarupt> the wiki page says fglrx drivers are only availible for hoary, well im in hoary, and i dont see em?
[02:32] <travail101> critter, I just compiled the FastTrack plugins, but I still need to figure out which files to give you, and where you need to put them on your system
[02:33] <Twigman> Make sure you have an X server running on your machine and that the location in the 'X display location' field is set correctly..
[02:33] <travail101> any ubuntu giFT users in here?
[02:33] <jdub> quarupt: start with... apt-cache search fglrx
[02:33] <ama> what backend does totem use?
[02:33] <jdub> ama: gstreamer or xine
[02:33] <travail101> critter, can you maybe send me one of the plugins packages?
[02:33] <Twigman> ama: you can install either totem-gstreamer or totem-xine
[02:34] <ama> which one do you prefer, or which one is better?
[02:34] <veristead> depends on the hardware
[02:34] <critter> 2 versions gnutella 0.0.9.2-1  openft 0.2.1.3-1
[02:34] <quarupt> jdub, i did just the regular ones are there
[02:34] <Twigman> ama: I haven't tried totem in a while.. I know xine works well
[02:34] <veristead> i prefer xine for a ppc platform
[02:34] <dizzie> gxine is nice
[02:34] <veristead> gstreamer works as will
[02:34] <veristead> well*
[02:34] <ama> how about xine with gtk+
[02:34] <ama> that any good?
[02:34] <dizzie> ama, gxine
[02:35] <critter> I have no idea where the packages are stored
[02:35] <dizzie> I use it, i like it, it does the job :)
[02:35] <Twigman> Broncho: make sure that 'X11Forwarding' is enabled in your /etc/ssh/sshd_config file on your server
[02:35] <critter> gimmie asec
[02:35] <Twigman> Broncho: Restart sshd if it was not enabled..
[02:35] <travail101> critter, do you know where it installed them to?
[02:35] <ama> is it possible to preview music by putting your mouse over an icon in nautalis
[02:35] <travail101> critter, do you have a console open?
[02:35] <critter> yes
[02:35] <travail101> terminal
[02:36] <travail101> ok..
[02:36] <thoreauputic> ama, yes
[02:36] <thoreauputic> ama, install sox
[02:36] <quarupt> jdub, i did apt-cache search, on he normal fglrx comes up
[02:36] <travail101> type 'ls /usr/lib/giFT/lib'
[02:36] <thoreauputic> ama, then hovering the mouse over mp3 and wav files should produce sound
[02:37] <critter> ok sec
[02:37] <Twigman> ama: also, make sure you install gstreamer-mad
[02:37] <veristead> wtf??
[02:37] <Twigman> (if it is not illegal for you to do so...)
[02:37] <veristead> i am having trouble compiling kismet
[02:37] <scorpix_> how can i change the default font in mozilla browser?
[02:37] <thoreauputic> Twigman: good point - gstreamer0.8-mad in fact I believe
[02:38] <Twigman> thoreauputic: aah.. yes..
[02:38] <travail101> critter, or just verify if /usr/lib/giFT and /usr/share/giFT exist, if not... try /usr/local/lib/giFT and /usr/local/share/giFT
[02:38] <veristead> in preferences scorpix_
[02:38] <critter>  No such file or directory
[02:39] <veristead> edit-->preferences
[02:39] <veristead> probably
[02:39] <travail101> critter, none of them?
[02:39] <thoreauputic> for some unfathomable reason, I get sound "preview" with mp3 but not with ogg....
[02:39] <travail101> ostia..
[02:39] <critter> sec
[02:41] <Twigman> thoreauputic: just stating the obvious.. but make sure you have gstreamer0.8-vorbis installed..
[02:41] <thoreauputic> Twigman: hmm -- checking :)
[02:41] <travail101> anyone know where gift and gift network plugins are installed on Ubuntu?
[02:42] <quarupt> jdub?
[02:42] <critter> no usr/local/lib .... there is usr/lib/GiFt Nothing in the folder
[02:42] <jdub> quarupt: there are a bunch of packages there, including both the x driver and the kernel drivers (restricted-modules)
[02:42] <jdub> quarupt: the wiki is pretty clear on how this works
[02:42] <thoreauputic> Twigman: I do, indeed, have it installed... and the gstreamer plugins as well
[02:42] <travail101> critter, is there also a /usr/share/giFT?
[02:42] <quarupt> then im confused, the wiki doesnt say anything about those packages
[02:42] <critter> /usr/local/share/giFT but nothing in the folder
[02:43] <quarupt> just the fglrx ones
[02:43] <quarupt> so i need the restricted ones as well?
[02:43] <travail101> critter... you have a /usr/local/share/giFT and  /usr/lib/giFT then?
[02:43] <quarupt> not just the xorg-driver-fglrx
[02:43] <jdub> you've almost certainly got those already
[02:43] <Twigman> thoreauputic: well that's me out of ideas hehe
[02:44] <critter> /usr/share/giFT  and a /usr/share/giFTui
[02:45] <thoreauputic> Twigman: it's no big deal - I was just surprised that the most "politically correct" format is the one that is silent (plays fine with xmms, beep or rhythmbox, of course)
[02:45] <critter> /usr/share/giFT/gnutella .. Nothing in the folderr
[02:45] <travail101> critter, ok, so I think it's standard, just a second I'm sompiling all four network plugins for you, the gnutella and openft ones in Ubuntu are a little old =P
[02:45] <Twigman> thoreauputic: yeah .. slightly strange..
[02:45] <Twigman> ok everyone, I'm outta here... should be working..
[02:46] <robertj> ooh new theme
[02:46] <travail101> s/sompiling/compiling
[02:46] <critter> I have /usr/share/giFT/OpenFT  and /usr/share/giFT/ui
[02:47] <jdub> http://people.ubuntu.com/~jdub/screenshots/ubuntu-hoary-preview.jpg
[02:47] <jdub> ^ new theme
[02:48] <critter> Man theres allot to learn
[02:48] <travail101> critter, , ok /usr/share/giFT/OpenFT and Gnutella are both for the OpenFT and Gnutella plugins respectively, that's where you're going to put the stuff I send you later
[02:48] <critter> Ok gotchya
[02:48] <schweeb> jdub: is there a cursor theme included too, or are you reverting to the default X black cursors
[02:49] <travail101> critter, well... this is just a short coming of package maintanence priorities on different distros, and it's easier when you have a build environment, automake does the installing for you
[02:49] <jdub> schweeb: cursor theme included in Human, but not on by default yet
[02:49] <schweeb> ah, cool
[02:50] <critter> I found Gnutella.conf  do you want that file
[02:51] <travail101> critter, no no, don't worry about any of that, just a sec, I'm gonna pack these up and send them to you
[02:51] <critter> OK
[02:51] <travail101> critter, those .conf files are automatically made by gift-setup btw you never need to touch them
[02:52] <critter> Got it
[02:52] <sime_> how is hibernate meant to work on a livecd, or shouldn't that really be there
[02:54] <schweeb> it's possible it could work in a livecd, I suppose
[02:54] <travail101> critter, I'm behind a firewall so I'm not sure if I can DCC these to you... did you get a request for a file from me?
[02:54] <schweeb> if you have somewhere to store the s2d data
[02:54] <critter> no
[02:54] <critter> yes
[02:54] <travail101> critter, I don't think it's gonna work... do you have an email address I can send them to? or maybe the program Qnext?
[02:55] <Xirdneh> hi there, is there anyway that Gaim can give me an advice when someone sends me a msg???, let it be not sound either pop up the window?...
[02:55] <travail101> yes or no?
[02:55] <critter> yes
[02:55] <travail101> it's not working either way though is it...
[02:55] <critter> I accepted twice
[02:55] <travail101> ok... email then
[02:55] <travail101> or IM
[02:55] <critter> nothing happening
[02:55] <travail101> whichever
[02:56] <travail101> I'm behind a router... I need to route some ports for xchat or something to be able to send files
[02:56] <critter> Yahoo
[02:56] <critter> critter_d1
[02:57] <travail101> IM, or email?
[02:57] <critter> IM
[02:59] <veristead> so why isn't libpcap-0.8.3 available for Ubuntu yet?
[02:59] <veristead> seemingly kismet won't compile with out it
[02:59] <veristead> it says "configure error: /bin/sh './configure' failed for libpcap-0.8.3	"
[03:00] <Hank> Hey all, anyone familiar with setting up wireless. My cards are talking but I can't get on the net
[03:00] <veristead> and i cnt find that package file
[03:00] <veristead> mmmm
[03:00] <veristead> wireless
[03:00] <veristead> is your router set up?
[03:00] <veristead> is there signal?
[03:01] <Infinitus> I just installed ubuntu on my brothers laptop.
[03:01] <Infinitus> but i have a few questions.
[03:02] <travail101> does sudo not log you into a root account?
[03:02] <veristead> is it plugged in yet infinitus?
[03:02] <Hank> yeah there is signal
[03:02] <travail101> is it just to send a single command?
[03:02] <veristead> that might be why it is not working
[03:02] <Infinitus> I can't get the screen resolution higher than 640x480 and I can't figure out how to set up ethernet networking via the usb port and a usb to ethernet jack.
[03:02] <travail101> crazyness, i can see how that would get annoying
[03:02] <veristead> Hank: are you sure your router is not blocking any ports
[03:02] <veristead> such as 80
[03:02] <veristead> try another protocol like ssh
[03:02] <veristead> or telnet
[03:02] <veristead> or IRC
[03:02] <Hank> Can anyone tell me in which file a wireless devices ip address is set.
[03:02] <veristead> well IRC is where you are now
[03:03] <veristead> which device?
[03:03] <veristead> card or router?
[03:03] <thoreauputic> travail101: normally sudo is for one command - you can get a root shell with sudo -s
[03:03] <Hank> its an adhoc card usb wirelss (windows) to pci (linux)
[03:03] <travail101> thoreauputic, thanx
[03:03] <thoreauputic> no worries :)
[03:04] <maximaus> Hey all, I figured out how to get those Turboprint Drivers for free if anybody has an "unsupported" printer. :D
[03:04] <Hank> Mm, okay, I'll try irc
[03:06] <veristead> Hank also try an IM program
[03:06] <quarupt> so jdub, your saying cause im on an AMD64 i need the restricted packages along with the gflrx drivers?
[03:07] <Hank> no luck with irc. Its wierd, when I do ifconfig, it lists the ip address as 00:40:f4:ac:f1:76
[03:07] <jdub> quarupt: as on every platform.
[03:07] <Hank> sorry whats an IM program?
[03:07] <thoreauputic> Hank: gaim ?
[03:07] <quarupt> jdub, why doesnt wiki mention this?
[03:08] <jdub> it's the same for every arch dude
[03:08] <Hank> ahh right
[03:08] <Hank> No, GHAIM cant connect to host either
[03:09] <quarupt> jdub, i belive ya but the thing im reading on ubuntuguide.org doesnt mention this
[03:09] <quarupt> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:09] <Hank> could some one in a private chat send me the output of their ifconfig just to see what I sould expect
[03:11] <quarupt> jdub?
[03:12] <ubuntu> in gnome how would i access my windows drive, graphically?
[03:12] <jdub> quarupt: there are plenty of people in the channel who can help you, not just me
[03:12] <thoreauputic> Hank: not sure, but that could be your ipv6 address you're seeing
[03:12] <quarupt> your the only one who told me to get that package, if ya dont know just tell me ill look elsewhere
[03:13] <jdub> quarupt: please listen to me
[03:13] <ogra> quarupt, did you miss this on the wiki ? Note: requires linux-reNote: requires linux-restricted modules >= 2.6.8.1.1-1
[03:13] <jdub> quarupt: you need the l-r-m package for your kernel (probably already installed) and the xorg fglrx package
[03:13] <jdub> quarupt: if in doubt, install linux-686 or linux-k7 as appropriate for your machine
[03:13] <Hank> aye aye aye, I give up for the day
[03:14] <jdub> quarupt: there are lots of people who can help you here, just ask the channel, not a single person
[03:14] <quarupt> there is no linux-AMD64
[03:14] <jdub> quarupt: and explain what you've done, etc.
[03:14] <ubuntu> ?
[03:14] <quarupt> jdub i have asked the entire channel, its okay you dont understand, ill just ask others
[03:14] <jdub> quarupt: dude, apt-cache search linux amd64
[03:14] <ogra> quarupt, linux-amd64-generic, linux-amd64-k8
[03:15] <ubuntu> how do i access or create a hard drive meta icon file for my windows partiton in gnome?
[03:15] <jdub> quarupt: i do know, you're just not helping yourself
[03:15] <quarupt> nevermind you dont understand my question
[03:15] <jdub> i know exactly what your question is
[03:15] <jdub> i showing you how to solve it yourself
[03:15] <jdub> instead of spoon feeding you
[03:16] <quarupt> no your not lol
[03:16] <quarupt> your making it difficult, just stop plz i am getting help from someone else
[03:16] <ubuntu> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ fdisk /dev/hda
[03:16] <ubuntu> Unable to open /dev/hda
[03:16] <jdub> if you don't listen, then sure, it won't help
[03:16] <ubuntu> on the live cd?
[03:16] <crimsun> jdub: happy thoughts. pants.
[03:16] <ubuntu> is this normal?
[03:16] <quarupt> i have listened
[03:16] <thoreauputic> quarupt: hah - I think jdub has a pretty  thorough grasp of the facts, friend
[03:16] <jdub> quarupt: apt-cache search linux amd64
[03:16] <ogra> hehe
[03:16] <quarupt> im sure he does
[03:16] <jdub> quarupt: explain what you're doing
[03:16] <jdub> quarupt: so people can help
[03:17] <quarupt> I TOLD you i allready have that
[03:17] <jdub> so what happened?
[03:17] <quarupt> nevermind i got it just stop please for the 5th time
[03:17] <jdub> what did you see?
[03:17] <quarupt> dont worry
[03:17] <quarupt> i got it
[03:18] <Quest-Master> What the heck?
[03:18] <Quest-Master> Something weird just happened
[03:18] <thoreauputic> ubuntu, try sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda for example
[03:18] <Quest-Master> My CD drive just screeched
[03:18] <Quest-Master> And now it's going "thump thump thump thump.. thump thump.."
[03:20] <thoreauputic> Quest-Master: imminent failure, sounds like...
[03:20] <ubuntu> got it
[03:20] <rever> Hi can someone tell me what  I might be missing. I rebuilt my kernel and now on boot I get this Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
[03:20] <ubuntu> how do i get gnome to recognize i have a windows partiton so i can browse it
[03:20] <ubuntu> ?
[03:21] <ubuntu> rever did you compile your filesystem in your kernel and not as a module?
[03:21] <ubuntu> and did you specific your root filesystem correctly in your configuration file
[03:21] <rever> ubuntu, Yep I am using reiserfs and it is compiled in along with ext3
[03:21] <Win32> i justupdated gnome, now I cannot chnage my screen res from 640 x 480, it doesnt change under the screen res under system
[03:24] <Win32> i justupdated gnome, now I cannot chnage my screen res from 640 x 480, it doesnt change under the screen res under system
[03:25] <thoreauputic> Win32:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  (if this is hoary)
[03:25] <Quest-Master> Finally, Gnome 2.10
[03:25] <Win32> yes it is
[03:25] <Quest-Master> :D
[03:26] <mroth> bring on the 2.11 unstable branch! ;-)
[03:27] <Tux-Rox> Hoary is coming along quite nicely, but I'm curious to know if Beagle is gonna make it into Hoary. Anyone know?
[03:27] <ubuntu> can anyone tell me how to create a windows device icon to represent my windows partiton so i can browse it
[03:28] <ubuntu> by clicking on it, from the desktop
[03:28] <crimsun> Tux-Rox: more than likely, no.
[03:29] <jordanau> okay i just screwed something up, i just accidentally removed my rhythmbox icon from my top gnome panel, how do i get it back?
[03:29] <Fluff^> when was the new array released?
[03:30] <crimsun> Fluff^: March 3
[03:30] <Fluff^> aha, ok
[03:30] <thoreauputic> ubuntu, if there's an icon for it in "places" just drag it to the desktop
[03:31] <jordanau> ubuntu, is the icon already there and you want to change it or do you want the icon to appear
[03:31] <PacoBCN> what the hell! The Ubuntu art doesn't include naked girls anymore!
[03:31] <thoreauputic> ubuntu, from nautilus
[03:31] <ubuntu> i want the icon to appear
[03:31] <rever> ubuntu, Well not sure what is going on but I took the config file from my working kernel and used it with only removing a video drive and still get this error
[03:31] <ubuntu> like in kde, i would create a new device icon, which would represent the device
[03:31] <dmoyne> Who can tell me how to get numlock on at boot ? ; thanks
[03:31] <quarupt> how can i check what driver X is using w/o checking Xorg.conf?
[03:32] <HrdwrBoB> dmoyne:bios setting
[03:32] <thoreauputic> ubuntu, when it's mounted, it should just appear
[03:32] <sophief> how you torrent on ubuntu ?
[03:32] <ubuntu> theres gnome torrent
[03:32] <Riddell> PacoBCN: apt-get install ubuntu-calendar
[03:32] <ubuntu> and theres the default bittorrent client sophief
[03:32] <sophief> where ?
[03:32] <ubuntu> btdownloadcurses.py is what i use
[03:33] <sophief> can not see nowhere
[03:33] <ubuntu> its not graphical, its command line
[03:33] <ubuntu> but im on my ubuntu livecd and there is a graphical torrent program
[03:33] <Tux-Rox> crimson, that's too bad. Of course Novell threw it into SuSe 9.3.....
[03:33] <sophief> the links are nowhere to be found
[03:33] <ubuntu> called gnome bittorrent
[03:33] <jordanau> okay i just screwed something up, i just accidentally removed my rhythmbox icon from my top gnome panel, how do i get it back?
[03:34] <Tux-Rox> crimsun, hopefully installing it won't be too much trouble.
[03:34] <sophief> jordanau ?
[03:34] <jordanau> sophief, yes?
[03:34] <sophief> right clik on da control panel
[03:34] <thoreauputic> jordanau: do you mean the icon that appears when rhythmbox runs, or a launcher?
[03:34] <jordanau> the icon that appears
[03:35] <jordanau> i have looked all through the add to panel menu
[03:35] <thoreauputic> jordanau: right click, add notification area
[03:35] <Fluff^> how is KDE and Gnome different?
[03:35] <quarupt> usual?
[03:35] <Nekohayo> Hey all, I got apt.cerkinfo.be in my hoary repositories, is it normal that it gives me GPG errors (that there is no public key on this one) ?
[03:35] <ubuntu> different languages primarily KDE is based off of qt and kdelibs, primarily which is based off of c++
[03:35] <jordanau> oh thanls
[03:35] <ubuntu> gnome primarily uses gtk+ which is c
[03:35] <jordanau> thanls/thanks
[03:36] <Fluff^> aha, ok
[03:36] <Fluff^> coot
[03:36] <Fluff^> coolt :P
[03:36] <crimsun> Tux-Rox: note the relationship between Novell, Mono, and SUSE.
[03:36] <Fluff^> :S
[03:36] <PacoBCN> hi guys, I posted this in the forums but let's see if any of you can help me. Whenever I try to burn a data DVD I can never fill it with 4.7 GB but around 3.5. However it is possible with WIndows.
[03:36] <thoreauputic> jordanau: not exactly intuitive, eh? I had tha same problem :)
[03:36] <ubuntu> is anyone with the gnome livecd able to mount files as a user?
[03:37] <ubuntu> nvm
[03:37] <sophief> PacoBCN try with k3b
[03:38] <sophief> and do not talk about windows in here you punk
[03:38] <Nekohayo> is it okay to upgrade linux-headers or will it mess up xorg & nvidia-glx?
[03:38] <PacoBCN> sophief, I prefer not to install any kde lib, and I don't think it's a matter of switching to k3b
[03:38] <sophief> really
[03:38] <sophief> ?
[03:38] <PacoBCN> both nautilus burn and graveman can't handle 4.7 Gb
[03:38] <PacoBCN> weird
[03:39] <mroth> has anyone gotten sunbird going?  I'm curious to try it out
[03:39] <sophief> well , i just burn my first cd with nautilus
[03:39] <PacoBCN> cds are ok
[03:39] <PacoBCN> I'm taking about DVDs
[03:40] <det> Is there some way to get the Debian menus back on the gnome menu?
[03:40] <Nekohayo> PacoBCN, maybe that got something to do with the kernel?
[03:40] <sophief> PacoBCN just dont burn dvds
[03:40] <jdub> det: install menu-xdg
[03:40] <Nekohayo> sophief, easy to say...
[03:40] <sophief> nan
[03:40] <quarupt> jdub, im using fglrx!! YAY
[03:40] <thoreauputic> sophief: that's really helpful :/
[03:40] <det> jdub, Already installed
[03:41] <sophief> linux is kinda limited
[03:41] <Nekohayo> sophief, all is possible
[03:41] <PacoBCN> Nekohayo, I have no clue, it's pretty weird.
[03:41] <jdub_> det: killall gnome-panel
[03:41] <sophief> ubuntu as well
[03:41] <quarupt> but my opengl screensaver still run like crap
[03:41] <thoreauputic> sophief: this from the person calling people punks for mentioning windows?
[03:41] <Nekohayo> PacoBCN, you say you asked in the forums?
[03:41] <sophief> i did not mention it ha
[03:41] <PacoBCN> sophief, you're here for helping or just being stupid?
[03:42] <Hell-Razor> hey guys i cannot figure out how to change the resolution of my screen. Any ideas? i edited my xorg.conf file but that didnt do it
[03:42] <det> jdub, I mean, it has been installed since installation
[03:42] <rever> I did a search on synaptic for the kernel-headers-2.6.8-1-386 but there are none how can I get these
[03:42] <sophief> there are other working systems
[03:42] <Nekohayo> Hell-Razor, there's a gnome utility
[03:42] <Hell-Razor> Nekohayo: i use fluxbox
[03:42] <det> jdub_, Maybe the fact that I upgraded to Gnome 2.10 is significant?
[03:42] <jdub_> det: not sure then, it should appear if you're running hoary
[03:42] <sophief> PacoBCN both
[03:42] <Nekohayo> Hell-Razor, oh well I dont know ^_^
[03:42] <rever> They only have 2.6.7-1-386
[03:42] <jdub_> det: shoudn't be
[03:42] <PacoBCN> Nekohayo, I asked 10 mins ago so it's normal noone replied yet :D
[03:42] <jdub_> it may have broken during our massive gnome upgrades; not sure why though
[03:43] <PacoBCN> sophief, well, you're better being stupid than helping if you ask me
[03:43] <Nekohayo> PacoBCN, please point me to the thread so I can watch it, I have a dvd burner, it should be of my concern too :)
[03:43] <Hell-Razor> Nekohayo: wtf i dont use xorg...i use xf86
[03:43] <sophief> ok
[03:43] <Nekohayo> Hell-Razor, xD that explains it no?
[03:43] <quarupt> is 160FPS under glx gears good or not?
[03:43] <Hell-Razor> Nekohayo: heh yea that explains a lot
[03:43] <Hell-Razor> quarupt: hell no...i get like 8000
[03:43] <PacoBCN> Neko, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=18994
[03:43] <mroth> quarupt: depends on your video card
[03:43] <Nekohayo> thankies
[03:44] <sophief> PacoBCN I know that k3b looks like the enemy but it's the tool i used to burn dvds
[03:44] <quarupt> radeon 9600 all in wonder
[03:44] <Nekohayo> is anyone using apt.cerkinfo.be as a repository?
[03:44] <PacoBCN> Neko, I'm running hoary, btw
[03:44] <mroth> that sounds perhaps a little low for a radeon 9600 to me
[03:44] <quarupt> ya it is
[03:44] <quarupt> but im using fglrx???
[03:44] <Nekohayo> PacoBCN, I'm on hoary too.
[03:44] <quarupt> at least my conf says i am
[03:45] <quarupt> but i dunno how to be sure
[03:45] <jdub> quarupt: read the output of glxinfo | grep renderer
[03:45] <quarupt> how can i be sure what driver my x is using?
[03:45] <thoreauputic> sophief: don't be childish - just because someone prefers gtk apps doesn't mean he's prejudiced against KDE
[03:45] <PacoBCN> sophief, k3b doesn't look like the enemy but if there's something I like of Ubuntu is its effor in supporting gnome so I won't try kde apps. In addition, I don't think it depends on the app you're using.
[03:46] <quarupt> jdub, OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[03:46] <ogra> PacoBCN: you can burn up to 3.5G ?
[03:46] <quarupt> ?
[03:46] <PacoBCN> ogra, around 3.5
[03:46] <PacoBCN> the fact is that I can never fill the dvds
[03:46] <PacoBCN> while I can do it in windows
[03:46] <jdub> quarupt: that means you don't have fglrx enabled acceleration
[03:46] <PacoBCN> the same amount, same files
[03:46] <ogra> PacoBCN: do you have enough diskspace for the image available ?
[03:46] <jdub> quarupt: so you've probably not updated your xorg.conf
[03:46] <quarupt> jdub, how can i enable it?
[03:46] <sophief> PacoBCN please no windows
[03:46] <sophief> I did suffer from that
[03:46] <jdub> quarupt: i bet you there's a readme file in the package, or more documentation on the wiki
[03:47] <PacoBCN> Ogra, in theory I do
[03:47] <jdub> quarupt: and i'm pretty sure there's a script to do it all for you, in that package
[03:47] <pschulz> I have lost sound on a machine with a VIA base motherboard.
[03:47] <jdub> (there is in the nvidia driver package)
[03:47] <thoreauputic> sophief: for god's sake - he's merely pointing out that it is possible
[03:47] <quarupt> jdub,  when i cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf it says its using fglrx driver?
[03:47] <PacoBCN> Is there a way to specify where the image will be created?
[03:47] <ogra> PacoBCN: could you explain this theory ? :)
[03:47] <jdub> quarupt: so you need to look at log output and so on to determine if it is or not
[03:47] <pschulz> Any suggestions? Application seen to work OK (including mixer)
[03:47] <PacoBCN> Ogra, means I didn't check if I have exactly that amount :D
[03:47] <quarupt> i did everything wiki and the docs said, reconfigure the x server and restart x
[03:48] <ogra> PacoBCN: graveman offers to select the tmp dir
[03:48] <pschulz> but no sound come out. (It used to.. )
[03:48] <PacoBCN> Ogra, probably the main partition didn't, true
[03:48] <quarupt> which logs? and why would my xorg.conf say im usin it?
[03:48] <pschulz> xmms plays.
[03:48] <travail101> anyone else want my gift network plugins package for i686 machines while it's hot off the press? (all the latest versions already compiled for your convenience)
[03:48] <PacoBCN> Ogra, I'll try with that, thx
[03:48] <socomm> Is gnome 2.10 in hoary's repo yet.
[03:48] <ogra> PacoBCN: graveman uses /tmp by default
[03:48] <PacoBCN> I assume it's mandatory to create the image before, right?
[03:48] <socomm> By GNOME 2.10 I mean the whole things. I've downloaded applets and stuff this morning.
[03:48] <ogra> PacoBCN: its done on the fly
[03:49] <ogra> PacoBCN: but you need the space indeed ;)
[03:49] <pschulz> 0000:00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50)
[03:49] <pschulz> 0000:00:11.5 Class 0401: 1106:3059 (rev 50)
[03:49] <PacoBCN> not very handy
[03:49] <sophief> PacoBCN did you try gnome 2.10 ?
[03:49] <PacoBCN> sophief, yes, this is what I'm running
[03:49] <quarupt> jdub, i have read everything, im clueless what to try now, im pretty sure xorg loaded the correct driver, cause thast what the conf says, is there something i need to enable or something?
[03:50] <ogra> PacoBCN: i didnt write graveman, i only package it, but you can report a enhacement bug at the author ;)
[03:50] <PacoBCN> Ogra, hehe, I'm pretty happy with it, actually
[03:50] <Nekohayo> PacoBCN, what does it do with nautilus-burn, does it say the media doesn't have enough space?
[03:51] <PacoBCN> Neko, yes, but I'll try specifying another tmp dir
[03:51] <PacoBCN> probably it was a stupid problem
[03:51] <jdub> quarupt: you can't be sure that xorg loaded the correct driver by looking at the configuration file
[03:51] <Nekohayo> PacoBCN, let me know then. Because I have the same issue now :)
[03:51] <jdub> quarupt: you need to look at the xorg output in /var/log/X11/
[03:51] <quarupt> ok i will
[03:51] <pschulz> lsmod output looks OK as well. (lots of snd modules present)
[03:51] <jdub> quarupt: remember, i'm not the only person here who can help you
[03:51] <PacoBCN> problem is that I have blank dvds in my room and don't want to wake up my gfriend now :D
[03:51] <quarupt> jdub, but your the only one who is
[03:52] <PacoBCN> Neko, you can't burn DVDs up to 4.7?
[03:52] <bryan> 4.7gb dvd's only hold like 4.5
[03:52] <PacoBCN> you know, I'm running Ubuntu in a laptop with WIndows and Ubuntu OSs and drive space is an issue
[03:53] <sophief> PacoBCN really how can I upgrade ?
[03:53] <PacoBCN> upgrade to what?
[03:53] <Nekohayo> PacoBCN, I just tried with a 4.0gb file
[03:53] <Nekohayo> as I replied in the post
[03:54] <nerk> anyone know how to disable twinview on the fly?
[03:54] <PacoBCN> Nekohayo, thanks, what was the error you got?
[03:54] <sophief> PacoBCN to 2.10
[03:54] <PacoBCN> nerk, I wish I knew how to enable it! :D
[03:54] <nerk> PacoBCN: nvidia?
[03:54] <PacoBCN> sophief, I just upgraded the whole system
[03:54] <PacoBCN> nerk, yes
[03:55] <sophief> PacoBCN hoary ?
[03:55] <nerk> PacoBCN: you need to install the nvidia driver instead of the nv one
[03:55] <PacoBCN> sophief, yes
[03:55] <nerk> then modprobe nvidia
[03:55] <PacoBCN> Nerk, I already have nvidia acceleration
[03:55] <nerk> then in XF86Config file.. use nvidia
[03:55] <nerk> hrrm
[03:55] <thoreauputic> sophief: if you are running hoary,  just do a dist-upgrade
[03:55] <nerk> could be the restricted-modules then
[03:55] <PacoBCN> Nerk, I have to say I didn't try yet with xorg
[03:55] <Nekohayo> PacoBCN, don't remember exactly, do you need the exact sentence? It just said that the media didn't have enough space
[03:55] <nerk> i had an issue with that
[03:56] <blah09> hello
[03:56] <sophief> thoreauputic ,
[03:56] <sophief> ?
[03:56] <blah09> does anyone know of a wysiwig html editor?
[03:56] <PacoBCN> Nekohayo, I was too lazy to write it down too :D
[03:56] <nerk> i know there is a gui nvidia app that apparently has a checkbox for twinview
[03:56] <Nekohayo> PacoBCN, want me to make a screenshot? XD
[03:56] <PacoBCN> nerk, really?
[03:56] <PacoBCN> hehe, please, Neko!
[03:56] <Xappe> blah09, NVU
[03:57] <thoreauputic> blah09: either mozilla composer, or nvu
[03:57] <PacoBCN> you nice boy
[03:57] <nerk> PacoBCN: apt-get install nvidia-settings
[03:57] <blah09> thanks
[03:57] <Nekohayo> hmm, is it safe to update my linux-headers (they're available for update in apt-get) or will it break xorg and the nvidia drivers? *goes off to take the screenshot*
[03:57] <NetwrkMonkey> is anyone able to get the comcast.net homepage to load correctly when logged into it in firefox with the flash player installed?
[03:57] <nerk> PacoBCN: also apt-get install nvidia-glx-config
[03:57] <PacoBCN> nerk, I have them all installed
[03:57] <nerk> PacoBCN: so you also downloaded the nvidia driver from the nvidia site and followed the instructions?
[03:58] <PacoBCN> nerk, sorry, probably I didn't make myself clear, I didn't try yet :D
[03:58] <cafuego> nerk: Why not used the prebaked one in Ubuntu?
[03:58] <nerk> yah... if all that then.. i recommend making sure you have the proper restricted-modules package for you kernel installed.. maybe even a re-install of that.. i think i had to when i dist-upgrade to hoary
[03:58] <mroth> Nekohayo: the headers just sit in /usr/src so i woudlnt worry about it
[03:58] <PacoBCN> but, indeed, it would be cool to have a gui app to change it on the fly!
[03:58] <nerk> cufuego: cuz it sucks ass
[03:59] <cafuego> nerk: How so? it works fine.
[03:59] <nerk> it doesnt support the many things the nvidia cards have to offer
[03:59] <nerk> cafuego: you dont twinview obviously
[03:59] <cafuego> nerk: The source is avialble as package too, you can bake a driver by hand with your own kernel, without having crap installed that's not in the package system.
[03:59] <cafuego> nerk: No, I use  amatrox for xinerama.
[04:00] <`helix> how to prevent the upgrading of the kernel image while doing dist-upgrade
[04:01] <cafuego> `helix: Put the package on hold before you upgrade.
[04:01] <geppy> Where can I find definitive answers about the legality of the available .wmv/.avi/.mov/.mp3/.aac etc decoders and encoders?
[04:01] <ogra> `helix: lock the version ?
[04:01] <HrdwrBoB> `helix: http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html
[04:01] <PacoBCN> there are only 3 issues I have to solve to be totally happy about Ubuntu
[04:01] <nerk> PacoBCN: http://www.sorgonet.com/linux/nvoption/
[04:02] <PacoBCN> twinview, flumotion and dvd recording :D
[04:02] <PacoBCN> nerk, thanks, I'm opening now
[04:02] <nerk> tha's just something else
[04:02] <nerk> not related to the other issues you are having
[04:02] <nerk> this is the app i saw with a checkbox for twinview :)
[04:02] <thoreauputic> HrdwrBoB: kind of using a sledge-hammer to kill a gnat in this case I think ;)
[04:02] <HrdwrBoB> twinview is fairly easy
[04:02] <nerk> it is
[04:02] <PacoBCN> Nerk, NVOPTION looks great!
[04:02] <HrdwrBoB> thoreauputic: heh yeah
[04:02] <thoreauputic> :)
[04:03] <bretzel> Hi there, Question: Why my Gnome-session/xwindow just quit and restarted by itself ? ( I was AFK )
[04:03] <veristead> so can someone help me here with the compilation of Kismet
[04:03] <veristead> ?
[04:03] <HrdwrBoB> veristead: you can just apt-get install kismet
[04:03] <PacoBCN> Nerk, I'm just wondering if it would work well with xorg as well, since I see only xf86 references
[04:03] <bretzel> I see no traces of what happened in (~/.xsession-errors, xorg.0.log... etc)
[04:03] <geppy> Any lawyers in here? =)
[04:03] <veristead> oh... well i have the source
[04:04] <Nekohayo> mroth, thanks
[04:04] <Nekohayo> PacoBCN, I uploaded the shot, take a look and tell me if that's the same thing
[04:04] <thoreauputic> geppy: yeah, the place is packed with lawyers - bush lawyers ;)
[04:05] <geppy> thoreauputic: haha =)
[04:05] <PacoBCN> Neko, I see it's wide 152px only
[04:05] <thoreauputic> geppy: expect a profound and long silence
[04:05] <PacoBCN> can't read :S
[04:06] <veristead> well that was so much easier
[04:06] <geppy> hahaha
[04:06] <veristead> than compiling + installing from source
[04:06] <veristead> lol
[04:06] <regeya_> and not just Free codecs--not everyone sees the wisdom in using Free codecs (sadly)
[04:06] <Nekohayo> PacoBCN, it's a thumbnail, you have to click it no?
[04:06] <HrdwrBoB> regeya_: mos tof the legal problems are distributing them, not using them
[04:06] <qwm> NEAT.
[04:06] <veristead> i've been looking for the right tool for like an hour now, and it was there in the repositories
[04:06] <qwm> i'm finally installing ubuntu.
[04:06] <HrdwrBoB> veristead: :)
[04:07] <stuNNed> HrdwrBoB: what do we have like 1 month before Hoary stable is out?
[04:07] <PacoBCN> Neko, it drives me to the thumb again
[04:07] <Nekohayo> uh, weird
[04:07] <thoreauputic> veristead: apt-cche search is our friend :)
[04:07] <sophief> thoreauputic is it possible to get gnome2.10 with the warty ?
[04:07] <thoreauputic> *apt-cache
[04:07] <HrdwrBoB> stuNNed: bit more but yeah
[04:07] <thoreauputic> sophief: anything is possible
[04:08] <PacoBCN> Neko, what's the url of the full image?
[04:08] <thoreauputic> sophief: some things are nore difficult however
[04:08] <regeya_> HrdwrBoB, that doesn't change my stance at all--I still want a good source of legal codecs
[04:08] <sophief> thoreauputic ?
[04:08] <Nekohayo> PacoBCN, just put it into the post
[04:08] <geppy> regeya_: Use WINE, download the Windows versions =(
[04:08] <geppy> regeya_:  Or go buy Linspire.
[04:08] <veristead> now is it jst "kismet" or is it .kismet
[04:08] <veristead> to launch the app
[04:08] <cyklus> Where do I get the Hoary preview CD's??
[04:08] <veristead> ?
[04:08] <sophief> thoreauputic u so sofisticated
[04:08] <geppy> If Linspire was GNOME, I'd run it.
[04:08] <regeya_> heh
[04:08] <HrdwrBoB> geppy: the way wmv is used is with win libraries anyway
[04:09] <thoreauputic> sophief: you can get the source code and compile it, for example
[04:09] <cyklus> according to the WIKI they should be under download but arnt
[04:09] <error_29> in regard to legal distribution of codecs, I'm really puzzled as to why my hoary upgrade apparently installed mp3 codecs, when I didn't choose them.  from universe, i presume.
[04:09] <HrdwrBoB> regeya_: your question is not clear
[04:09] <error_29> Not that I'm complaining...
[04:09] <HrdwrBoB> error_29: if you have universe enabled, it can install mp3 codecs
[04:09] <geppy> HrdwrBoB: I'm aware of that, but if you use WINE, then you're actually downloading the legal files, and reading the EULA's... if you use the native implementation, there's no possible way to be legal about it
[04:09] <HrdwrBoB> error_29: mp3 codecs are not *shipped* with it
[04:09] <veristead> :-\
[04:09] <veristead> well it's kismet
[04:09] <thoreauputic> sophief: thanks for the compliment, by the way
[04:10] <regeya_> the legality of wine is questionable; I've had some things that really like to have genuine MS DLLs, and since I don't dual-boot, am I violating the EULA?  I dunno.
[04:10] <cyklus> anyone know where I can get the preview cd's??
[04:10] <regeya_> HrdwrBoB, wasn't aware that I was asking a question.
[04:10] <marshall> hi guys... i've been trying to get my wireless network set up now for a few days.  i finally got ndiswrapper installed with my driver.  i'm at the point where on the top toolbar my wireless says 100% signal BUT I have no throughput.  when i do a iwlist wlan0 scan  i get no scan results. a any ideas?
[04:10] <`helix> but there is no preference file under /et/apt
[04:10] <HrdwrBoB> regeya_: you have not agreed to a EULA
[04:10] <error_29> I know it can install them hrdwrBob, i just don't understand why it _did_ install them, why i didn't choose them.  i just smartupgraded over the basic warty.
[04:10] <HrdwrBoB> however you are infringing copyright
[04:11] <PacoBCN> Neko, now I see it
[04:11] <veristead> but it says "FATAL: Unable to set up pidfile /var/run/kismet_server.pid, couldn't open for writing: Permission Denied.
[04:11] <thoreauputic> `helix: you can mark a package to be "held" in synaptic
[04:11] <veristead> and then i tried sudo kismet
[04:11] <PacoBCN> the first one drove to the thumb
[04:11] <HrdwrBoB> veristead: sudo kismet
[04:11] <regeya_> okay, HrdwrBoB, you can let it drop now; I am.  never asked a question, just lamented the lack of legal, legally-distributable codecs for some of the formats that the slavering hordes use.
[04:11] <PacoBCN> and yes, Neko, same error
[04:11] <`helix> so there is no way to do it from command line
[04:11] <regeya_> that's the fault of content providers, I know
[04:11] <sophief> thoreauputic that's another mad doctor ride to compil
[04:11] <PacoBCN> how much space do you have in your main partition?
[04:12] <Nekohayo> PacoBCN, good then :P let's see if they got an idea as to why
[04:12] <cafuego> `helix: echo "hold kernel-image-2.6.xx-foo" | dpkg --set-selections
[04:12] <veristead> and got FATAL: Unable to open cisco control file '/proc/driver/aironet/eth0/Config' 2:No such file or directory"
[04:12] <PacoBCN> how much FREE space, I mean
[04:12] <thoreauputic> sophief: did I say it was easy?
[04:12] <veristead> HrdwrBoB i did that
[04:12] <veristead> and got the above message
[04:12] <sophief> thoreauputic no you didn't
[04:12] <veristead> i am on a PPC system
[04:12] <ogra> `helix: sudo synaptic ;-P
[04:12] <geppy> If gstreamer wasn't anal about licensing, someone could license proprietary gstreamer plugins for these codecs, and all would be good
[04:12] <cyklus> Is ubuntu hoary preview available yet?
[04:12] <regeya_> truth be told, HrdwrBoB, I can play just about anything that I can on a Windows machien from my Ubuntu box...not that I"m supposed to be able to, and definitely the case on DVDs
[04:13] <Burgundavia> cyklus: tomorrow
[04:13] <thoreauputic> sophief: indeed
[04:13] <veristead> and i believe the Card is using Orinocco
[04:13] <veristead> or something like that
[04:13] <cafuego> cyklus: You can dist-upgrade now and just run it. it's not hard.
[04:13] <veristead> anyone able to help me
[04:13] <veristead> ?
[04:13] <Burgundavia> but the offical release is tomorrow
[04:13] <Burgundavia> veristead: what is the issue?
[04:13] <sophief> thoreauputic please would you mind...
[04:13] <cyklus> cafuego: im reinstalling my computer... so i wanted to get the install cd
[04:13] <veristead> Burgundavia: i installed Kismet and then used sudo kismet
[04:13] <veristead> but i got the following message
[04:14] <cyklus> cafuego: the cd's should have been out 2 days ago according to the release schedule
[04:14] <veristead> FATAL: Unable to open cisco control file '/proc/driver/aironet/eth0/Config' 2:No such file or directory"
[04:14] <sophief> thoreauputic hey you from australia ? haha
[04:14] <Pluk> hi all
[04:14] <veristead> and i dnt know whay
[04:14] <Martok> What's up with my Belkin WIFI card not working under ndiswrapper under Ubuntu?
[04:14] <veristead> I JST DON'T KNOW
[04:14] <error_29> I think something unlicensed slipped under the wire somehow with hoary-- honestly, I didn't seek the mp3 support; gstreamer just seemed to upgrade itself to mp3
[04:14] <marshall> anyone have any words of wisdom for me regarding wireless?
[04:14] <Burgundavia> veristead: have you googled for an answer?
[04:14] <Riddell> jdub: any idea what the opposite of mkraid is (to destroy a raid)?
[04:14] <Martok> Hey Taadow.
[04:14] <thoreauputic> sophief: this is cause for mirth?
[04:14] <veristead> yea i did
[04:14] <ogra> `helix: actually i think you can use aptitude in a similar way and lock your version there
[04:15] <`helix> ogra: how would i lock it
[04:15] <sophief> thoreauputic didn't mean it
[04:15] <brian__> Hi all :)
[04:15] <sophief> ha
[04:15] <brian__> this new version of xchat sure is puuuurdy
[04:15] <ogra> `helix: dunno, i dont unse aptitude, but i know there is an option
[04:15] <jdub> Riddell: just reformat the disks and turn change the volume type if you made it autodetect
[04:15] <jdub> Riddell: also, don't use mkraid, use mdadm
[04:15] <sophief> thoreauputic do you think u can help me with azureus
[04:16] <thoreauputic> sophief: no, sorry, I know nothing about azureus
[04:16] <cafuego> cyklus: Yeah, well, "based on debian" means that you can have a delay of up to 2 years on releases <heh>
[04:16] <error_29> Is all this wireless setup pain that so many people go through specific to ubuntu, or debian, or linux in general?
[04:17] <marshall> error_29: i dont know but it's the bane of my existence right now and no one seems to have "the answer"
[04:17] <ogra> `helix: why do you want to hold back the kernel btw ?
[04:17] <cafuego> error_29: Apart from the shit windoze-only wific ard I had a while back, wifi has always worked fine on Linux for me.
[04:17] <thoreauputic> error_29: linux in general, I'd say
[04:17] <`helix> ogra: it always messes up my sound
[04:17] <Nekohayo> brian__, what, what, a new xchat ?
[04:17] <`helix> and the default works great
[04:17] <error_29> marshall, from what i can gather, it's just hit or miss with the hardware
[04:17] <Nekohayo> brian__, that is NOT ugly?
[04:17] <ogra> `helix: gah, thats bad
[04:17] <veristead> i got lots of matches
[04:17] <Martok> I'm only going to buy hardware that's tested compatible with Linux from now on. Can anybody point me to a nice hardware compatibility list?
[04:17] <Levander> Does anybody know if the new MySQL query browser is in the ubuntu repositories?
[04:17] <veristead> none seemed to  prove helpful
[04:18] <bryan> what's it called?
[04:18] <error_29> I've decided not to get a wireless router, seeing the ordeal other people go through.
[04:18] <marshall> error: no it's more than that.  you just have to really know what you're doing to get shit working in linux :)
[04:18] <cafuego> Martok: The kernel source. if it's in there, it's supported.
[04:18] <cyklus> cafuego: lol.. well I guess the best for now is the array 6 iso? and then just apt upgrade...
[04:18] <Pluk> with native drivers wireless is easy
[04:18] <thoreauputic> error_29: not really "hit or miss" - it depends mostly on manufacturers releasing specs so that drivers can be written
[04:18] <Pluk> dunno bout ndiswrapper though
[04:18] <Martok> Do I actually have to read the C source code?
[04:18] <Levander> bryan: it's called, MySQL query browser http://www.mysql.com/products/
[04:18] <cafuego> ndiswrapper is satan.
[04:18] <Levander> http://www.mysql.com/products/query-browser/
[04:18] <cafuego> it's slow, eats CPU like mad and won't work on amd64 ;-)
[04:19] <error_29> yeah, thoreauputic -- i gather from googling that linksys, for example, is fairly well documented.  Friend of mine had his working right out of the box with ubuntu.
[04:19] <Riddell> jdub: cool, sorted
[04:19] <ogra> cafuego: it does... for broadcom chipets
[04:19] <ogra> sets ven
[04:19] <HillTop> How do I set fstab so I can mount USB memory as rw and user?  I tried   /dev/sda1 /mnt/removable auto rw,auto,user,sync 0 0   and only root can mount/read/write it. :/
[04:20] <ogra> even even
[04:20] <cafuego> ogra: 32bit kernel or 64?
[04:20] <Nekohayo> Martok, linuxcompatible.org ? (could anyone confirm this, I'm not sure if this isn't a bit outdated)
[04:20] <ogra> cafuego: 64bit kernel and 64bit win driver
[04:20] <cafuego> error_29: Any _real_ prism2 or prism54 should work fine.
[04:20] <ogra> cafuego: latest ndiswrapper does that
[04:20] <cafuego> ogra: Ah see, the trick is the 64bit win driver :-)
[04:20] <PacoBCN> HillTop, I think this is correct: users,owner,rw,umask=000 0 0
[04:20] <Pluk> any atheros chipset should work too
[04:21] <ogra> Pluk: on amd64 ?
[04:21] <Martok> nekoayo: Looks pretty good so far.
[04:21] <cafuego> error_29: I have a stack of 11Mbit orinocos and they're all fine, linked into a DLink DSL/WiFI router/modem.
[04:21] <geppy> Are there any good LGPL gstreamer video players out there?
[04:21] <veristead> so the kismet config file is normally in /usr/local/etc
[04:21] <veristead> but that directory does not exist
[04:21] <Pluk> hmm dunno bout that ogra
[04:21] <veristead> so i dnt know where the kismet.conf file went
[04:21] <cafuego> I would however not hold my breath on stuff like kismet working via ndsiwrapper'ed drivers.
[04:22] <ogra> cafuego: its a matter of luck :)
[04:22] <error_29> all righty then, I stand corrected:  wireless isn't hell (and anyway, i haven't tried it yet).  It's just purgatory...
[04:22] <cafuego> ogra: Either that or just buying decent hardware ;-)
[04:22] <thoreauputic> error_29: heh
[04:22] <sophief> thoreauputic sure you don't ?
[04:22] <tizen> hmm
[04:22] <tizen> model name      : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.66GHz
[04:22] <tizen> stepping        : 7
[04:22] <tizen> cpu MHz         : 997.387
[04:22] <thoreauputic> sophief: don't what?
[04:23] <cafuego> error_29: wireless is heaven, as you'll find out when you don't need to leave bed anymore for internet, and won't trip over cat5 anymore...
[04:23] <tizen> why is that wrong?
[04:23] <cafuego> tizen: "Intel"
[04:23] <ogra> cafuego: sometimes you dont have the choice....i wouldnt give up my amd64 laptop just because i cant get a nice onboard wlan card for it
[04:23] <ubuntu2u> when i try to watch a movie on the internet ut says i need the application or extension wmplayer2 is this windows media player? and is there an alternative i can use?
[04:23] <thoreauputic> tizen: laptop?
[04:23] <tizen> cafuego: Nah, but the cpu MHz is changing oddly
[04:23] <tizen> nope
[04:23] <tizen> desktop
[04:23] <Nekohayo> cafuego, that's before the neighbors start eating your bandwidth ;)
[04:23] <cafuego> tizen: Yes, that's normal.
[04:24] <error_29> cafuego, you're right, i'm sure, especially considering I've got a lemon of a laptop with a loose ethernet jack that makes life hell
[04:24] <tizen> cafuego: how so?
[04:24] <cafuego> tizen: cpufreq is doing that, making it run slow when it's idle.
[04:24] <tizen> it's hardly idle though
[04:24] <tizen> cpu usage is 68%
[04:24] <cafuego> tizen: 68% is not busy
[04:24] <Nekohayo> cafuego, speaking of which, you do use wireless with a pcmcia card on ubuntu? which brand and model is it?
[04:25] <error_29> so, i guess i'll go for a wireless router-- or would it make more sense to add some wireless thingy to my current netgear router?
[04:25] <cafuego> tizen: it'll jump back to full speed when it gos to 100%
[04:25] <tizen> cafuego: I just recat'd /proc/cpuinfo and it's at 2000
[04:25] <tizen> ok
[04:25] <tizen> thanks
[04:25] <tizen> is this a new 2.6.x thing?
[04:25] <tizen> i'd never used it before ubuntu
[04:25] <cafuego> tizen: it can flip a couple of times a second if it has to...
[04:25] <HillTop> PacoBCN, Oh that is so much better, thank you!!
[04:25] <cafuego> My laptop and amd64 desktop do it too.
[04:25] <marshall> hehe oh man, i think it really just hit me, gotta go back to windows.  i officially give up
[04:26] <marshall> good luck guys
[04:26] <regeya_> qgii~
[04:26] <cafuego> Well, the desktop always sits on 1GHz and only jumps to 1.8 when I start firefox.
[04:26] <regeya_> whoo!
[04:26] <regeya_> quitter.
[04:26] <veristead> ok... so i installed Kismet, but i cnt find the kismet.conf file, which normally by default is in /usr/local/etc/ but the directory doesn't exist
[04:26] <veristead> so obviously it ain't in there
[04:26] <PacoBCN> HillTop, great!
[04:26] <veristead> so where did it go
[04:26] <veristead> find ain't finding it
[04:26] <cafuego> veristead: apt-get install kismet, $EDITOR /etc/kismet/kismet.conf
[04:26] <ubuntu2u> so can anyone help me?
[04:27] <ubuntu2u> i try to watch a video on the internet and it says i need wmplayer/2
[04:27] <ubuntu2u> what do i install to fix this?
[04:27] <PacoBCN> ubuntu2u, probably it depends on the format you're trying to see
[04:27] <PacoBCN> what file is it?
[04:27] <cafuego> ubuntu2u: mplayer and w32codecs or somesuch should do the trick.
[04:27] <PacoBCN> however, I still can't see them all
[04:28] <sophief> thoreauputic how about java
[04:28] <thoreauputic> marshall: persevere - "You have nothing to lose but your chains!" (well, your mind as well... but hey.. ;-)
[04:28] <PacoBCN> for instance, I can just hear this with VLC: mms://vmedia.tin.it/LA7-180K
[04:28] <PacoBCN> but can't see it
[04:28] <PacoBCN> mplayer doesn't even play the sound
[04:28] <thoreauputic> sophief: nah - know nothing about java either
[04:28] <ggeecko> is there a big difference between warty and hoary
[04:28] <ubuntu2u> cafuego: what do i type in the gnome terminal to get this?
[04:28] <veristead> cafuego, couldn't find package
[04:28] <sophief> thoreauputic are you australian 4 sure ?
[04:29] <Nekohayo> ggeecko, yeah, xorg XD
[04:29] <PacoBCN> Ubuntu2u, you can read the instructions on the forum
[04:29] <thoreauputic> sophief: in fact the field of subjects on which I'm pitifully ignorant stretches as far as the eye can see...
[04:29] <thoreauputic> sophief: no, I'm a citizen of Lower Slobovia
[04:29] <error_29> in which case, Thereauputic, I hope you're not in the Outback
[04:30] <HillTop> PacoBCN, I'm having trouble now with the second USB which I set up with   /dev/sdb1 /mnt/removable2 auto users,owner,rw,umask=000 0 0    I have been consulting http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and http://ubuntuguide.org/
[04:30] <error_29> or kansas
[04:30] <thoreauputic> error_29: pinned between mountans and sea
[04:30] <thoreauputic> *mountains
[04:30] <thoreauputic> sophief: as you see, I can't even type....
[04:31] <PacoBCN> hilltop, they should be the same
[04:31] <sophief> thoreauputic oh
[04:31] <PacoBCN> Hilltop, what's the error?
[04:31] <ubuntu2u> pacocbn: can you please just tell me what the program is called?
[04:31] <sophief> thoreauputic i got it
[04:31] <PacoBCN> ubuntu2u, mplayer
[04:31] <ubuntu2u> thanks
[04:31] <PacoBCN> but you won't find it in default repos
[04:31] <sophief> thoreauputic this channel really sucks
[04:31] <ggeecko> Nekohayo: I am upgrading as we speak
[04:31] <HillTop> The second one doesn't show up on the desktop, sudo mount command shows it mounted and busy.
[04:32] <thoreauputic> sophief: if you believe that, you'll believe anything
[04:32] <PacoBCN> Hilltop, but can you access it from the terminal?
[04:32] <PacoBCN> HillTop, because one thing is mounting it and another issue is that gnome will display it :D
[04:32] <ggeecko> Nekohayo: which one are you using
[04:32] <Nekohayo> ggeecko, good luck. The tricky part really is xorg I think
[04:33] <PacoBCN> Hilltop, brows /mnt/ and /media/ to see if you can find them
[04:33] <HillTop> PacoBCN, hold on -- it opened a window into the second one behind another application.  It is there!! Sorry.  It is OK!!
[04:33] <Nekohayo> ggeecko, I'm running hoary since march, but I had someone help me with my nvidia driver when I upgraded.. maybe you won't have any problems
[04:33] <PacoBCN> Hilltop, good
[04:33] <PacoBCN> ;)
[04:33] <veristead> fucking a
[04:34] <veristead> Ubuntu needs to look at libpcap-0.8.3 which is the most recent
[04:34] <veristead> released last week
[04:34] <error_29> ok, hoary is running stable for me, suspiciously so given my cluelessness; I wonder what i should try to break first...
[04:34] <HillTop> PacoBCN, Is there a general way to set this up so my six USB ports will all work nicely, even for plugin camera etc.??
[04:35] <jdub> veristead: hoary's frozen, dude. unless it fixes significant bugs, doesn't introduce any (unlikely) and isn't incompatible with something, we won't update to it.
[04:35] <PacoBCN> HillTop, well, if yuo set them up correctly in fstab they should all work
[04:36] <veristead> hoary
[04:36] <veristead> ?
[04:36] <veristead> i am using Warty
[04:36] <PacoBCN> HillTop, are they memory sticks?
[04:36] <PacoBCN> HillTop, in theory just by hotpluging them they should all work
[04:36] <thoreauputic> veristead: which was frozen in October, I believe
[04:36] <PacoBCN> HillTop, at least in hoary
[04:36] <sophief> thoreauputic i got it i got azuuuuuuuuu
[04:37] <sophief> thoreauputic i got it i got azuuuuuuuuu
[04:37] <thoreauputic> sophief: congratulations
[04:37] <HillTop> PacoBCN, I assume it means a /mnt file for each and a fstab line for each?   I have two sticks now - 256MB and 512MB (Warty) but I might plug them into any port. Right?  So you think I need only one fstab line?
[04:37] <SiRrUs> good evening fellows
[04:37] <PacoBCN> HillTop, you're right
[04:37] <Nekohayo> hiya
[04:38] <PacoBCN> Sirrus, hi there
[04:38] <HillTop> PacoBCN, OK, I'll try it with just one line. :)
[04:39] <PacoBCN> HillTop :)
[04:39] <PacoBCN> HillTop one line for drive, I mean!
[04:39] <error_29> jeez, open office takes way too long to load!  i guess i'll get abiword or sumpin'
[04:39] <Nekohayo> error_29, how much time
[04:40] <stuNNed> jdub: dudeolios, so Hoary is froze?
[04:40] <Nekohayo> error_29, I just loaded it in 15 seconds
[04:40] <rattboi> ok
[04:40] <jdub> stuNNed: has been for a while
[04:40] <rattboi> my grub is screwed up now, and only XP will boot
[04:40] <jdub> stuNNed: various degrees of freeze, of course
[04:40] <rattboi> can I use the live cd to mount my root partition, and run grub from there?
[04:40] <stuNNed> jdub: ah, ok thanks
[04:40] <SiRrUs> just like me :)
[04:40] <stuNNed> jdub: considering updating my laptop to Hoary over the weekened
[04:41] <PacoBCN> stuNNed, good idea
[04:41] <jdub> do it man
[04:41] <jdub> preview is out tomorrow
[04:41] <jdub> that means EVERYONE will be doing it
[04:41] <jdub> so upgrade now
[04:41] <jdub> beat the rush
[04:41] <stuNNed> .....
[04:41] <Nekohayo> hahaha
[04:41] <rattboi> anyone?
[04:41] <PacoBCN> preview of what?
[04:41] <HillTop> PacoBCN, Nope. I shut down the windows and then mount -a.  Only one opened up that I can see.  Oh, one line per drive, so if I expect 4 I need 4 lines??
[04:41] <rattboi> I don't remember how to install GRUB again
[04:41] <Nekohayo> PacoBCN, hoary I think
[04:41] <dash> rattboi: you should be able to, yes
[04:41] <bob2> PacoBCN: er, ubuntu?
[04:42] <dash> rattboi: edit /boot/menu.lst, run grub-install
[04:42] <SiRrUs> jdub what will be different in the preview vs array 5 or 6
[04:42] <jdub> PacoBCN: hoary
[04:42] <Pluk> rattboi, yes you can, just mount your root and chroot it then run grub
[04:42] <rattboi> grub-install, huh?
[04:42] <jdub> SiRrUs: not a huge amount. bugfixes. new theme.
[04:42] <PacoBCN> Hilltop, yes
[04:42] <SiRrUs> nice thanks
[04:42] <PacoBCN> well, it aren't the different arrays previews of hoary?
[04:42] <rattboi> what does the chroot  do?
[04:42] <rattboi> I don't understand that part
[04:42] <PacoBCN> or at least the last array?
[04:43] <Pluk> chroot : change root
[04:43] <Nekohayo> hmm, that's why they have been updating kde so much lately! ^^
[04:43] <jdub> PacoBCN: the array releases are test releases, yes
[04:43] <jdub> PacoBCN: but we have a special release called the preview
[04:43] <Pluk> it makes you change your working environment
[04:43] <jdub> PacoBCN: at the same time gnome final comes out
[04:43] <error_29> Hekohayo, about 13 seconds for me, after running it a few times.
[04:43] <jdub> PacoBCN: it's a special "dudes, let's get testing!" release
[04:43] <veristead> wtf??? i am trying to compile + install libpcap-0.8.3 and i got it compiled, but now i need to type (according to the docs on the webpage) "make &&" and then type "make install"
[04:43] <PacoBCN> jdub, so the upgrade tomorrow will take a bit longer, then
[04:43] <PacoBCN> :D
[04:44] <veristead> and then make && gives me this >
[04:44] <veristead> and looks like it is waiting for me to type something
[04:44] <Nekohayo> veristead, that's ONE command
[04:44] <veristead> ok
[04:44] <Nekohayo> veristead, && = AND do
[04:44] <dash> veristead: hmm. are you sure you wouldn't rather do "apt-get install libpcap0.8-dev" instead?
[04:44] <Nekohayo> veristead, so you could do: make, then sudo make install
[04:44] <PacoBCN> Is there a list of the main issues achieved with tomorrow's preview?
[04:44] <Nekohayo> yeah I'd like to see this
[04:45] <bwlang> something seems a little funny about my wireless config... i'm pretty new to ubuntu - are there some features that would periodically interfere with wpa supplicant?
[04:45] <veristead> well i do 'make' and it says "make: yacc: Command not found, <newline> make: *** [grammar.c]  Error 127
[04:46] <Nekohayo> bwlang, phones?
[04:46] <det> Does anyone here use Hoary and AMD64 with Nvidia X drivers and has all the latest packages?
[04:46] <PacoBCN> BTW, I just wish someone makes installing gaim-vv easier
[04:46] <veristead> dash it wasn't found
[04:46] <dash> det: No. It is just you.
[04:46] <dash> veristead: you are using warty?
[04:46] <bwlang> Nekohayo: well i don't think those would cause wpasupplicant to stop enforcing the list of accepted access points...
[04:46] <khc> After I do a dist-upgrade, rhythmbox would freeze upon start. Its version is 0.8.8-4ubuntu2
[04:47] <det> dash, nvidia-settings segfaults on me and I am left with ugly UT2k4 :(
[04:47] <Nekohayo> bwlang, heh :P did you benchmark this with a windows machine too?
[04:47] <khc> Last output from rhythmbox -d
[04:47] <khc> [0x80e9e60]  [rb_statusbar_sync_state]  rb-statusbar.c:515 (19:46:52): syncing state
[04:47] <bwlang> Nekohayo: i seem to fall off of my network sometimes - this never happened pre-ubuntu.  (i don't have windows - but this did not happen under debian)
[04:47] <veristead> yea dash
[04:47] <dash> veristead: Hm
[04:47] <Pluk> i use amd64 with hoary and nvidia, but i use a homebrewed kernel
[04:47] <det> dash, so, you jumped on the bandwagon as well?
[04:47] <dash> det: it's the coolest party in town
[04:47] <Nekohayo> bwlang, sorry I don't know :)
[04:48] <veristead> wait
[04:48] <veristead> found it dash
[04:48] <veristead> odd
[04:48] <veristead> hehe
[04:48] <bwlang> Nekohayo: thanks anyway... i guess you don't see anything like that? i guessing that there is some other automatic network configurator thats messing me up
[04:48] <dash> veristead: ;-)
[04:49] <det> Pluk, Do you have the latest packages?
[04:49] <Nekohayo> bwlang, maybe :P and I'm not seeing anything like that since I didn't put linux on my laptop yet. I'm still waiting for "it" to become better
[04:49] <veristead> i also seem to have some issues with a backend script when i try to open Network and Users and Groups
[04:49] <veristead> in the Gnome interface
[04:49] <bwlang> Nekohayo: uh - it? - seems to work pretty well for me in general.
[04:50] <veristead> it says Backend Script error
[04:50] <Pluk> det i can update just fine if thats what you mean
[04:51] <veristead> if anyone can help me, when i launch network settings utility in Warty, it asks for admin passwrd twice so i give it the passwrd and then it says "The Configuration could not be loaded: There was an error running the backend script"
[04:51] <HillTop> PacoBCN, Thank you for your help. Only still a problem. The second one doesn't show up anywhere - I get    mount: special device /dev/sdb1 does not exist   /dev/sdb1 disappeared from directory  /dev
[04:51] <veristead> the only option is close
[04:52] <veristead> this also happens under Time and Date
[04:52] <det> Pluk, does nvidia-settings segfault for you?
[04:52] <veristead> and Users and Groups
[04:52] <Kirsch> hey guys, can we upgrade to Gnome 2.10?
[04:52] <Nekohayo> bwlang, well that's about the "laptop integration"... it's really near, but maybe not ready (or I'm not very aware of it..).. I mean, I wish I could swap networks just by plugging different pcmcia cards like I am used to with win XP.. besides, I have experienced something weird once with fedora core 2, the cpu would start pumping up at 100% without a reason.. I guess this may have been fixed since, and gnome's network tool seems much better to s
[04:52] <Nekohayo> wap networks.. I'm concerned by having multiple pcmcia cards (and my linksys wireless 11mbits one wasn't supported last time).. yeah that's about it :)
[04:52] <veristead> any ideas anyone?
[04:52] <bob2> Kirsch: er?  you already have it, or something very much like it.
[04:52] <Kirsch> bob2: i know i have 2.8.3...
[04:52] <bob2> Kirsch: you're using warty?
[04:53] <Kirsch> err, 2.8.1
[04:53] <Kirsch> yes.
[04:53] <bob2> if you really want it, upgrade to hoary
[04:53] <Kirsch> wait...
[04:53] <Kirsch> uhm... i'm using 4.1
[04:53] <bob2> yes
[04:53] <Kirsch> is that warty?
[04:53] <bob2> that's warty
[04:53] <Kirsch> ok
[04:54] <veristead> how buggy is Hoary?
[04:54] <veristead> is it buggy?
[04:54] <Kirsch> that was gonna be my next question
[04:54] <veristead> and is it easier to use than Warty
[04:54] <bwlang> Nekohayo; i think you could certainly get your network to switch automaticallly if you want to physically swap cards... but it's not like windows - you'll have to setup some scripts to do it for you (i prefer it that way... what if you don't like the way windows does it?)  wpasupplicant is a great little program for figuring out which network to associate to.
[04:54] <schweeb> it's not really buggy
[04:54] <dash> hoary has given me less trouble than any linux distribution i have ever used
[04:54] <dash> period
[04:54] <schweeb> hoary is frozen right now
[04:54] <schweeb> tomorrow is preview release
[04:54] <Kirsch> ?
[04:54] <Nekohayo> bwlang, thanks I'll google it :)
[04:54] <veristead> and also will i need to clean install, meaning lose everything from Warty
[04:54] <det> dash, How long have you been using Hoary? :-)
[04:54] <PacoBCN> HillTop, did you check first fdisk -l ?
[04:54] <error_29> hoary seems a hell of a lot less buggy than warty did on this laptop
[04:55] <schweeb> after preview release, pretty much only bugfixes are going into hoary
[04:55] <veristead> and what type of wm is it, and what type of CDE
[04:55] <dash> no, upgrading is ridiculously easy
[04:55] <bwlang> Nekohayo: it's mostly use for wpa stuff - but i just use it to figure out which networks to associate with.
[04:55] <veristead> so... where can i get hoary?
[04:55] <dash> det: a month? :)
[04:55] <veristead> and for how much?
[04:55] <Kirsch> dash: i'm using warty, if i download hoary, it upgrades seemlessly?
[04:55] <dash> Kirsch: yep
[04:55] <Kirsch> i love ubuntu :-)
[04:55] <jesuel> schweeb: im running hoary right now. I can upgrade to the preview release tomorrow then right?
[04:55] <dash> just change your apt settings to get packages from hoary instead of warty
[04:55] <SiRrUs> veristead $175.00/mnt
[04:55] <SiRrUs> just kidding
[04:55] <veristead> no shit
[04:56] <SiRrUs> :)
[04:56] <veristead> m$ isn't even that money hungry
[04:56] <schweeb> jesuel: you're already essentially running the preview release
[04:56] <HillTop> PacoBCN, It is not in that list.  It has been deleted (?)   How to get it back?
[04:56] <bob2> veristead: www.ubuntu.com
[04:56] <jesuel> schweeb: I figured that much :)
[04:56] <SiRrUs> veristead if you cant wait till tomorrow take a look at the channel topic
[04:56] <dash> det: anyway, installing it on this thinkpad laptop was really easy
[04:56] <bob2> note that hoary isn't actually out yet
[04:56] <error_29> kirsch, it's easy through synaptic, if you haven't altered warty too much already
[04:56] <dash> det: even when i decided to do insane stuff
[04:56] <dash> det: like put my root filesystem on LVM
[04:56] <jesuel> schweeb: I hope restricted modules are in for 2.6.11 *crosses fingers*
[04:56] <schweeb> there should only be a few more pkg changes between now and tomorrow
[04:56] <bob2> jesuel: remember that 2.6.11 isn't supported at all
[04:57] <dash> bob2: "out" is such a subjective thing
[04:57] <dash> ;)
[04:57] <Kirsch> error_29: ?
[04:57] <schweeb> jesuel: I think the supported kernel will be 2.6.10... not 100% sure though
[04:57] <jesuel> *sigh*
[04:57] <Kirsch> dash: where's the CD image? how do I get hoary?
[04:57] <error_29> i totally crushed one warty install by upgrading to hoary; i think it was the backported crap that screwed me up
[04:57] <Zotnix> I enabled compositing and now my computer runs as slow as Mac OS X
[04:57] <dash> Kirsch: if you have warty installed, you don't need a cd image
[04:57] <Zotnix> :(
[04:57] <veristead> bob2: when is it officially released
[04:57] <dash> Zotnix: awesome!
[04:57] <bob2> yes, using backports is a terrible idea
[04:57] <Zotnix> It looks pretty though.
[04:57] <bob2> and will break hoary upgrades
[04:58] <dash> veristead: april
[04:58] <error_29> on another partition, clean virginal warty, the hoary upgrade was beautiful
[04:58] <Zotnix> Though gnome-panel doesn't quite like it.
[04:58] <bob2> veristead: april
[04:58] <Nekohayo> bwlang, yeay it looks like the card is now supported with linux-wlan.org :)!
[04:58] <veristead> Zotnix: what do you mean as slow as OS X??
[04:58] <veristead> OS X on what
[04:58] <bwlang> i just did a debian testing -> hoary update - some minor kinks - but worked fine.. i suspect warty-> hoary will be similaly easy
[04:58] <veristead> a 233?
[04:58] <dash> Kirsch: just change your apt settings, either in synaptic or by editing sources.list manually
[04:58] <Kirsch> dash: to?
[04:58] <veristead> cuz i have it running pretty fast on my 500
[04:58] <HillTop> dash, I want to thank you for helping me the other day. I'm getting Warty install up here. When it is finished, I can upgrade to Hoary - no reinstall??
[04:58] <veristead> and one my 1.25
[04:58] <dash> Kirsch: to hoary instead of warty :)
[04:58] <veristead> and my 1.42
[04:58] <PacoBCN> HillTop, try pluging it again
[04:58] <det> dash, Ahh, I have never had to deal with exotic/difficult hardware
[04:58] <PacoBCN> :D
[04:58] <schweeb> jesuel: yea, the linux-image-686 pkg is pointing to 2.6.10 currently... so 2.6.10 is probably the "official" kernel
[04:58] <dash> HillTop: Yep, that is what I did
[04:58] <veristead> and my 1.33
[04:58] <veristead> and my 433
[04:58] <det> dash, Would Debian have issue with root filesystem on LVM?
[04:58] <Zotnix> veristead, OS X on a Mac Mini
[04:58] <HillTop> dash, wow.
[04:59] <Zotnix> without the upgrade :)
[04:59] <Pluk> det it segfaults here too
[04:59] <Kirsch> ahh..
[04:59] <Kirsch> wow thats cool!
[04:59] <det> Pluk, argh
[04:59] <dash> HillTop: I ran the warty install and just changed the apt settings to hoary and have been running that ever since
[04:59] <veristead> Zotnix: it isn't much different than running it on an emac
[04:59] <veristead> same thing
[04:59] <dash> det: debian's installer didn't do LVM, last i checked
[04:59] <veristead> if not faster
[04:59] <veristead> CPU
[04:59] <veristead> maybe the RAM was at bare minimum
[04:59] <det> dash, have you tried the sarge netinst cds?
[05:00] <Zotnix> I had an old G3 that ran Mac OS X
[05:00] <veristead> i would suggest 256, 384, 512 or higher
[05:00] <det> dash, they are radically different from Potato installers
[05:00] <Zotnix> Was reeeally bad.. 333 MHz :shudders:
[05:00] <veristead> how did the G3 do?
[05:00] <dash> det: yes, a while ago
[05:00] <veristead> well my 433 runs it pretty damn nicely
[05:00] <Zotnix> It was usable as long as I didn't multitask.
[05:00] <veristead> i upgraded RAM though
[05:00] <dash> det: Building a Xen kernel that would boot from lvm root was like pulling teeth though
[05:00] <Zotnix> IE Run Safari / iChat and console caused a problem.
[05:00] <veristead> Zotnix well make sure you have lot's of RAM that should help
[05:01] <det> dash, what is a Xen kernel?
[05:01] <veristead> dnt use 128 or lower
[05:01] <veristead> i used 64 once
[05:01] <schweeb> dash: you run xen with ubuntu in dom0?
[05:01] <dash> det: linux kernel that runs under the xen hypervisor
[05:01] <veristead> and wow that was slow
[05:01] <veristead> 128 was barely enough
[05:01] <stuNNed> what is recommend for firewall in ubuntu?
[05:01] <dash> schweeb: Occasionally
[05:01] <veristead> and 256 is nice for basic stuff,
[05:01] <Zotnix> Yeah. Well, I'm done with Macs now
[05:01] <det> dash, Oh, that's right, I googled it the other day
[05:01] <veristead> but i have 1GB in my emac
[05:01] <Zotnix> I don't think I'll use OS X again if I can help it.
[05:01] <veristead> and towers
[05:01] <bob2> stuNNed: none
[05:01] <schweeb> dash: hoary?
[05:01] <dash> yes
[05:01] <det> dash, What advantages do you personally gain by using it?
[05:01] <Pluk> stuNNed,  i believe firestarter is nice if you think you need a firewall
[05:01] <veristead> my laptops have one 128 and one 512
[05:02] <dash> det: unlimited power
[05:02] <Kirsch_> dash: do a smartupgrade in synaptic?
[05:02] <veristead> Zotnix never say never
[05:02] <veristead> they are pretty cool
[05:02] <Pluk> although you could try writing your own firewall :)
[05:02] <HillTop> PacoBCN, I unpluged it and ... it calls it sdc1 now. And is working now. I don't know is fstab doesn't care what I called out in the second line or if the second line is unnessessary. Thanks.
[05:02] <dash> det: i am working on a demo for pycon
[05:02] <Zotnix> veristead, eh, I don't like OS X
[05:02] <Zotnix> Or Macs, really.
[05:03] <veristead> why not?
[05:03] <veristead> jst out of curiosity
[05:03] <schweeb> dash: quick question... what special things did you have to do to get it running?  I'm a) making a page on the ubuntu wiki about Xen, and b) possibly packaging Xen
[05:03] <PacoBCN> HillTop, glad to had helped you
[05:03] <error_29> mac mini is tempting though, if it were a little cheaper, had more ram...
[05:03] <dash> schweeb: <3 <3 <3 <3
[05:03] <veristead> CHEAPER???
[05:03] <veristead> WTF
[05:03] <veristead> CHEAPER THAN $500?
[05:03] <dash> yes
[05:03] <veristead> DAMN
[05:03] <HillTop> PacoBCN, :)
[05:03] <veristead> that is pretty damn cheap
[05:03] <dash> computers should come free in cereal boxes
[05:03] <schweeb> dash: so, either share your experiences now, or post them to the wiki
[05:03] <Zotnix> dash, that's asking too much too much from Apple
[05:03] <schweeb> dash: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/XenVirtualMachine
[05:03] <error_29> yes. for the specs.
[05:03] <veristead> and you can add RAM your self
[05:04] <plagerism> what do I have to change to be able to print to my cups print server from firefox??
[05:04] <dash> schweeb: I made it harder than I had to
[05:04] <Zotnix> veristead, Mac OS X doesn't feel right to me. I can't really explain it. It had a few nuisances that I didn't enjpy either.
[05:04] <veristead> you can add mostly anything yourself
[05:04] <dash> schweeb: I had to hand-craft an initrd
[05:04] <travail101> openssh server right?
[05:04] <travail101> or openssh-server?
[05:04] <error_29> pardon me, for that money you can get a hell of a pc.  Just not as quiet a machine
[05:04] <regeya> imagine if apple made a logic board that worked in atx cases
[05:04] <schweeb> dash: yea, that's what I figured...
[05:04] <regeya> without modification
[05:04] <regeya> I'd have more respect for apple then
[05:04] <veristead> Zotnix: i dnt have many at all... i did on the base install, but after installing X11
[05:04] <veristead> it worked great for everything
[05:05] <veristead> i could run KDE in the background
[05:05] <dash> schweeb: Part of this was because I needed LVM in the initrd
[05:05] <error_29> you can add ram yourself if you're good with a putty knife and brutality
[05:05] <veristead> and compile mostly any linux app
[05:05] <veristead> or UNIX app
[05:05] <dash> schweeb: Part of it was because I was trying to incorporate some ubuntu patches I think
[05:05] <regeya> stick the mac hardware in a mid-grade case, slap an apple sticker on it, sell it for $500 or less.  I'd be happy.
[05:05] <veristead> it was pretty sexy
[05:05] <Zotnix> I think if I got a Mac I'd run Linux on it solely.
[05:05] <schweeb> dash: I'd be the happiest person ever if you documented at least some of your steps on there... or emailed them to me... or put them on a webpage...
[05:05] <dash> schweeb: I can't even remember them now
[05:05] <regeya> damn steve jobs
[05:06] <schweeb> I haven't yet invested a ton of time, but I'd prefer not to duplicate too much of other people's work
[05:06] <dash> schweeb: I'll probably do it again soon though, and will take more detailed notes :)
[05:06] <schweeb> dash: boo
[05:06] <schweeb> dash: yay
[05:06] <veristead> wtf... kismet error.... "make: ***[libpcap-0.8.3/libcap.a]  error 2
[05:06] <veristead> i wish it were more specific
[05:06] <dash> schweeb: I think it's just going to suck until Xen goes into the mainline kernel
[05:06] <veristead> wtf is an error 2 suppose to mean
[05:06] <schweeb> dash: in that case, mind emailing your initrd and kernel (0 and U) config to chris@schweeb.org
[05:06] <dash> veristead: it means "compiling things is hard, especially if you do not use dpkg-buildpackage"
[05:07] <dash> schweeb: i can probably do that :)
[05:07] <schweeb> dash: I heard something about 2.6.11 + Xen
[05:07] <veristead> dash: i got lost what you mean?
[05:07] <veristead> all i did was exactly wat they asked for
[05:07] <veristead> and i got it compiled
[05:07] <veristead> and i typed "make
[05:07] <veristead> and now i get that error
[05:08] <veristead> i am only one step away from having it installed
[05:08] <det> Pluk, I can run nvidia-settings from my ia32 chroot just fine, however
[05:09] <schweeb> dash: and if you're interested, you could become involved in the packaging effort... looking for a few good people
[05:10] <dash> schweeb: i am writing some control/automation software for xen
[05:10] <schweeb> really
[05:10] <dash> schweeb: once i have it working, i will be very interested in debian packages
[05:10] <schweeb> Open Source?
[05:10] <schweeb> ah good
[05:10] <dash> you bet
[05:10] <schweeb> language?
[05:10] <dash> python, naturally ;)
[05:10] <geppy|away> gstreamer sucks
[05:10] <geppy|away> eat it
[05:10] <schweeb> well, lost my help with development :p
[05:11] <schweeb> python's in my list of languages not to clutter my brain with
[05:11] <veristead> FUCK
[05:11] <veristead> i am about to give up
[05:11] <veristead> DAMN IT
[05:11] <schweeb> it's cluttered with C/C#/Perl/PHP right now
[05:11] <thoreauputic> veristead: if it's erroring out of "make", it isn't compiled
[05:11] <det> schweeb, what is not among your list? :)
[05:11] <veristead> I HATE THIS PEICE OF SHIT
[05:11] <dash> schweeb: there's nothing better for this kind of work
[05:11] <veristead> it told me it was
[05:11] <schweeb> dash: see last statement
[05:11] <schweeb> er det
[05:12] <schweeb> dash: yea, I suppose so, since you can hook directly into their python control stuff
[05:12] <veristead> i'll try compiling again
[05:12] <veristead> and then run make again
[05:13] <veristead> i hate the fact it tells me i dnt have something
[05:13] <veristead> jst download it, and install it
[05:13] <veristead> dnt tell me
[05:13] <SiRrUs> veristead have you installed the essentials for compiling?
[05:13] <veristead> that way i can leave it work
[05:13] <veristead> SiRrus yes
[05:13] <dash> schweeb: i wish
[05:13] <thoreauputic> veristead: you need apt-get build-dep and dpkg-buildpackage
[05:13] <dash> schweeb: their python control stuff is a tangled mess, i tried very hard to hook into it but it's not worth the effort
[05:14] <jesuel> uhg python
[05:14] <eruin> anyone know archive.ubuntu.com mirrors?
[05:14] <veristead> ok... "configuration complete. Run 'make dep' to generate dependencies, and 'make' followed by 'make install' to compile and install"
[05:14] <veristead> is what i get now
[05:14] <dash> jesuel: you know you love it!
[05:14] <JDahl> veristead, what package are you compiling?
[05:14] <jesuel> *throws a rock @ his work's python dev machines*
[05:14] <jesuel> dash: die plz
[05:14] <schweeb> dash: may I ask why it's so suited to Xen, then?
[05:14] <chillywilly> python rocks
[05:15] <veristead> kismet
[05:15] <jesuel> I just spend like 11 hours deep into code
[05:15] <veristead> and it keeps giving me the same error mesage upon make
[05:15] <jesuel> im TIRED :)
[05:15] <chillywilly> go python!
[05:15] <veristead> thoreauputic: why do i need that?
[05:15] <thoreauputic> veristead: so why would you expect repeating the procedure to fix it?
[05:15] <dash> schweeb: http://twistedmatrix.com/
[05:16] <SiRrUs> veristead why didnt you just get it with synaptic
[05:16] <veristead> cuz i am insane
[05:16] <jesuel> dash: @#$%@#$^
[05:16] <veristead> i tried
[05:16] <veristead> but the file is missing the whole conf file
[05:16] <veristead> i cnt configure anything
[05:16] <thoreauputic> veristead: because it installs your deps automatially and makes a deb package for you?
[05:16] <jesuel> twistd~!!!@#
[05:16] <veristead> or i cnt find that file
[05:16] <JDahl> veristead, there's a kismet package in hoary... why dont you use that one? Otherwise maybe try apt-get build-dep kismet
[05:17] <dash> chillywilly: mod_python makes me sad. on the inside.
[05:17] <veristead> well look at it this way i installed kismet via synaptic
[05:17] <veristead> and then a i ran it
[05:17] <veristead> and got a fuckingerror message
[05:17] <chillywilly> mod_python is groovy
[05:17] <JDahl> ... so you thought by compiling it yourself the error would disappear?
[05:17] <thoreauputic> veristead: were there docs? Did you read them?
[05:17] <veristead> and i cnt enter the conf file cuz it says that the directory (which should be the one it is in by default doesn't exist)
[05:18] <veristead> yea i read the docs
[05:18] <veristead> and it tells me to cd /usr/local/etc/.
[05:18] <veristead> and pico kismet.conf
[05:18] <veristead> but the directory nor file exist
[05:18] <veristead> even though i jst installed it successfully downloaded it from synaptic
[05:18] <thoreauputic> veristead: few packages would use /usr/local  - that would be used for things you build yourself
[05:19] <veristead> so where is the conf file
[05:19] <veristead> if it isn't there
[05:19] <JDahl> veristead, somehow it seems like a waste of everybodys time that you're messing with the source (not even the ubuntu source) when there's a prebuild package
[05:19] <veristead> cuz i cnt find it elsewhere
[05:19] <veristead> JDah1: i tried the prebuild package
[05:20] <veristead> and i cnt find a neccessary file
[05:20] <veristead> i need
[05:20] <veristead> so i was gonna try to get it from the source
[05:20] <DAC1138> im looking for the kernel headers again for the 2.6.8.1-3 kernel, i cant find it anywhere on synaptic or tmhe apt syste
[05:21] <DAC1138> did they remove it or something? update it for ubuntu hoary?
[05:21] <thoreauputic> DAC1138: linux-headers
[05:21] <veristead> FATAL: Unable to open cisco control file '/proc/driver/aironet/eth0/Config' 2:No such file or directory"
[05:21] <veristead> is the message i got when trying to run Kismet
[05:21] <veristead> from the prebuilt package on synaptic
[05:21] <dash> veristead: what kind of wifi card do you have
[05:22] <veristead> an Apple Airport 802.11b
[05:22] <dash> well, there's the problem
[05:22] <dash> kismet is looking for config for an aironet, not an airport
[05:22] <veristead> dash my point
[05:22] <veristead> i know
[05:22] <veristead> but i cnt configure that
[05:22] <veristead> without the conf file
[05:22] <veristead> and i cnt seemingly find that
[05:23] <eruin> DAC1138: yeah, long ago
[05:23] <DAC1138> eruin, thats why im not finding it. dang, i need them
[05:23] <dash> veristead: did you try looking in /etc/kismet? :)
[05:23] <veristead> yes
[05:23] <QMario> How do I upgrade Ubuntu to the 4.10 version?
[05:24] <JDahl> virestead, try to install the ubuntu package and type dpkg -L kismet to list all files in package
[05:24] <dash> veristead: did you try reading the kismet docs? :)
[05:24] <veristead> yes
[05:24] <veristead> hld on one sec
[05:24] <veristead> i jst realized something
[05:24] <thoreauputic> QMario: 4.10 is warty - you don't upgrade to it
[05:24] <veristead> ok
[05:24] <veristead> DAMN IT
[05:24] <veristead> found the conf
[05:24] <veristead> now what am i suppose to edit to make it run off my airport card
[05:24] <thoreauputic> QMario: perhaps you mean 5.04 (Hoary)
[05:24] <veristead> what should i change it to
[05:24] <veristead> ?
[05:25] <dash> veristead: try "man kismet.conf"
[05:25] <QMario> How do I get that?
[05:25] <DAC1138> so how do i get the kernel headers now that they removed them?
[05:25] <thoreauputic> QMario: I take it you are running Warty now?
[05:25] <JDahl> DAC1138, they're not removed... they're called linux-headers as thoreauputic pointed out
[05:25] <QMario> Yes
[05:26] <qwm> qwm
[05:26] <DAC1138> JDahl, synaptic isnt showing anything for linux-headers
[05:27] <QMario> How do I obtain Hoary?
[05:27] <thoreauputic> QMario: well, you can edit /etc/apt/sources.list , change all instances of "warty" to "hoary", then run sudo apt-get update , then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:27] <JDahl> DAC1138, apt-cache search linux-headers
[05:27] <qwm> is /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 the configuration file for X that Ubuntu uses?
[05:27] <thoreauputic> QMario: or you can download the CD and do an install from that
[05:27] <BiteMeBill> qwm: Yes
[05:28] <DAC1138> JDahl, i get nothing
[05:28] <veristead> i'm gonna go to bed for now
[05:28] <veristead> i am tired
[05:28] <qwm> BiteMeBill: thanks.
[05:28] <veristead> so good night
[05:28] <veristead> i will figure this out later
[05:28] <QMario> Do you also mean Hoary Hedgehog too?
[05:28] <dash> qwm: hoary uses xorg
[05:28] <thoreauputic> QMario: same thing - hoary for short
[05:29] <JDahl> DAC1138, then you probably need universe
[05:29] <DAC1138> whats that?
[05:29] <qwm> :)
[05:29] <schweeb> headers aren't in universe
[05:29] <DAC1138> i had them before a few months ago without universe, they were simply named "linux-headers-2.6.8.1"
[05:30] <hardkase> hey
[05:30] <hardkase> how do i grab\nt myself root ?
[05:30] <JDahl> DAC1138, then either you're misspelling it, or you have a very unique installation
[05:30] <schweeb> yes, they are names linux-headers`uname -r`
[05:30] <schweeb> *named
[05:30] <thoreauputic> DAC1138: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[05:31] <hardkase> uhh
[05:31] <hardkase> grant myself root, was what i meant to say
[05:32] <QMario> Hold on ....:-/
[05:32] <DAC1138> i got it. my apt-sources is screwed up
[05:33] <thoreauputic> DAC1138: unless your sources are totally stuffed, `apt-cache search linux-headers` should return a *lot* of results
[05:33] <DAC1138> how woul di go about obtaining the default apt-sources list again?
[05:33] <thoreauputic> ah, beat me to it :)
[05:33] <hardkase> ahh
[05:33] <hardkase> sudo command
[05:33] <hardkase> nevermind
[05:33] <DAC1138> mine kinda got deleted. the file is there, but i guess im not as good at vi as i thought i was
[05:33] <QMario> Thank You, thoreauputic :)
[05:33] <thoreauputic> QMario: you're welcome :)
[05:34] <QMario> thoreauputic, Do you program?
[05:34] <ions> how stable is Hoary at this point?
[05:34] <thoreauputic> QMario: no, unless you count trivial bash scripts ;-)
[05:34] <qwm> top
[05:34] <JDahl> DAC1138, maybe sudo dpkg-reconfigure apt?
[05:34] <thoreauputic> apt-setup ?
[05:35] <qwm> hmm, gnome is running really slow, despite the system having 0.01 load.
[05:36] <thoreauputic> I assme apt-setup works to get sources in ubuntu the same as in debian? Haven't needed to run it so can someone confirm that?
[05:37] <thoreauputic> bah  s/assme/assume
[05:37] <IRCMonkey> everytime i try to install, it gets to 8% and looks like it cannot find BSDUTIL, redownloading is impossible can someone please help?
[05:38] <JDahl> DAC1138, thoreauputic, it could also be that running base-config gives you a fresh sources.list... on Debian I think you can configure apt sources with it
[05:38] <dash> schweeb: sent
[05:39] <DAC1138> got it
[05:39] <DAC1138> thanks
[05:40] <thoreauputic> DAC1138: what did you do?
[05:40] <DAC1138> thoreauputic, i had to get a sources list i found on google
[05:40] <thoreauputic> OK
[05:40] <schweeb> dash: thx man
[05:41] <thoreauputic> whatever works... :)
[05:41] <IRCMonkey> everytime i try to install, it gets to 8% and looks like it cannot find BSDUTIL, redownloading is impossible can someone please help?
[05:41] <DAC1138> brb
[05:41] <thoreauputic> IRCMonkey: first step: is your disc OK? md5sum correct?
[05:42] <bob2> IRCMonkey: check your iso, first
[05:42] <IRCMonkey> i dont have my iso its on another computer, but i have my cd
[05:43] <bob2> then you need to check that
[05:43] <bob2> that should be an obvious first step
[05:43] <Xappe> ugh, Mplayer takes forever to compile on my g3 ibook
[05:43] <IRCMonkey> i checked it when i burnt it but couldnt md5sum
[05:44] <bob2> then there you go
[05:47] <Broncho> Im new to linux, how do I make user/pass to login to webmin?
[05:47] <IRCMonkey> md5sum checks out so what now
[05:48] <Broncho> anyone?
[05:48] <SiRrUs> ok later guys time for bed
[05:49] <aethyr> anyone know how to disable the console beep?
[05:52] <lersine> Uh, there's got to be a volume knob on your speakers somewhere.
[05:52] <aethyr> lersine, the console beep
[05:52] <aethyr> (system speaker)
[05:52] <lersine> It was a joke.
[05:53] <|QuaD-> any news on a beagle and/or dashboard package?
[05:53] <Broncho> Im new to linux, how do I make user/pass to login to webmin?
[05:53] <dash> Broncho: hmm, what are you using webmin for?
[05:54] <freewoody> Hi all
[05:54] <Broncho> trying out the little addons for it
[05:54] <freewoody> Can somebody help me why my Ubuntu can't access my LAN
[05:54] <|QuaD-> freewoody: whats the problem
[05:54] <Broncho> it came pre installed and I can get to login jsut cant login
[05:55] <thoreauputic> aethyr: in gnome-terminal, you can disable it by editing your profile, and unticking the "bell" in the general options
[05:55] <freewoody> Well I can't browse my local area network these days using Gnome-vfs
[05:56] <freewoody> Do I have to setup Samba in order to browse my Windows LAN ?
[05:56] <|QuaD-> freemoody: yup
[05:57] <freewoody> Well I have installed Samba too
[05:57] <aethyr> thoreauputic, I found this: http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_NoBeep
[05:57] <Broncho> so no help on webmin?
[05:57] <|QuaD-> freemoody:www.ubuntuguide.com should have some info
[05:58] <freewoody> Well I did go through that site but I really don't seem to get it all
[05:58] <|QuaD-> freewoody: what dont you get
[05:59] <freewoody> Well It was working all right a week ago
[05:59] <thoreauputic> aethyr: aha - even better! Turns it off globally :)
[05:59] <freewoody> I just did some upgrades and it's not working anymore
[05:59] <|QuaD-> freewoody:  ?
[06:01] <freewoody> Well how do I get samba support
[06:01] <freewoody> I get the Error smb://192.168.55.11 is not a valid location
[06:01] <det> How can I tell what version of gcc the AMD64 branch is compile with?
[06:01] <yusufg> hi, does ubuntu offer updates related to features for its packages within a release or are only security updates releases
[06:02] <thoreauputic> freewoody: tried #samba ?
[06:02] <thoreauputic> yusufg: the latter
[06:02] <Broncho> anyone know how I can be able to login to webmin?
[06:02] <freewoody> So what's wrong with Gnome-Vfs
[06:02] <freewoody> Use your root's password
[06:03] <thoreauputic> yusufg: for constant updates, use the development branch (currently hoary)
[06:05] <freewoody> But there's a problem using Gnome-Vfs with Hoary
[06:05] <freewoody> I have not been able to browse my Windows LAN since I upgrade to Hoary from Warty
[06:06] <MyNameIsChris> Hello everybody!
[06:06] <lersine> yo, chris.
[06:06] <MyNameIsChris> My gcc command is gcc-3.4 but make files look for gcc, how could I set it up so gcc just runs gcc-3.4
[06:06] <MyNameIsChris> Hi lersine
[06:06] <MyNameIsChris> I have done it before
[06:06] <freewoody> So does somebody have a clue to what this means:  smb://192.168.55.11 is not a valid location in Nautilus ?
[06:06] <stuNNed> jdub: when did the new theme make it in, it's awesome, not showing up here on pc but showing up on laptop just upgraded :D
[06:07] <lersine> This is, like, a help channel, huh?
[06:07] <MyNameIsChris> I thought it was
[06:07] <thoreauputic> lersine: tries to be, yeah :)
[06:07] <lersine> Well, all I really came here to do is lurk, and comment on what a great distro this is.
[06:07] <Broncho> I thoguht it was too but I been asking the same question all day with no help
[06:08] <zorba64> it can be a help channel...
[06:08] <foszae> freewoody, where are you getting that address from?
[06:08] <yusufg> thoreauputic: so are upgrades between versions supported
[06:08] <freewoody> From my Windows LAN
[06:08] <thoreauputic> Broncho: maybe no-one knew the answer (it happens)
[06:08] <thoreauputic> yusufg: yes
[06:08] <foszae> it's just very unusual for a local network
[06:08] <yusufg> let's assume I start using Ubuntu at hoary, at some point can I upgrade the distro to the next revision
[06:08] <MyNameIsChris> Oh, nice, my 5.1 channel sound works now. I am afraid to reboot because it hasn't before
[06:08] <yusufg> and get the feature enhancements
[06:08] <thoreauputic> yusufg: yes
[06:08] <foszae> normally you'd expect 192.168.0.* or 192.168.1.*
[06:08] <freewoody> Well it was fine in Warty but not in Hoary
[06:09] <Agrajag> Broncho: You need a root password
[06:09] <foszae> do you have some sort of server ruinning there?
[06:09] <Agrajag> set it with "sudo passwd root"
[06:09] <freewoody> Well I have been using 192.168.55.x for the past 3 years
[06:09] <Agrajag> I'm amazed if nobody else knew that
[06:09] <Broncho> Agrajag I was tald not to do that
[06:09] <Agrajag> I mean I don't even use webmin
[06:10] <Broncho> told*
[06:10] <MyNameIsChris> Let's say Chris wanted to "make xconfig" but wanted to replace all "gcc" with "gcc-3.4"
[06:10] <gabaug> since updating hoary a couple days ago, my system freezes for a tiny amount of time pretty often (like every 20 seconds or so) -- noticable when I move the mouse (stops moving), am typing(characters are lost) or am playing music (it skips)
[06:10] <Agrajag> Broncho: it's not a good idea, but it's the only way to use webmin.
[06:10] <Agrajag> so whoeevr told you that is wrong, in this case.
[06:10] <foszae> and your samba is set up to the right domain or workgroup?  that'd be the next likely problem
[06:10] <Broncho> ok so wahts the point of having it if its not a good idea
[06:10] <Agrajag> Broncho: because you need to use it to log into webmin
[06:11] <Agrajag> webmin needs a root password
[06:11] <Broncho> hmmmmm
[06:11] <Agrajag> however, for most people, doing most things, sudo is better
[06:11] <thoreauputic> Broncho: you could probably achieve the same effect by running `sudo webmin`
[06:11] <Broncho> so tahts the only way? because I was told the same thing with something else and I found a way around that
[06:12] <Agrajag> thoreauputic: uh
[06:12] <Agrajag> no
[06:12] <Agrajag> webmin is a service that lets you log in to a remote machine and administer it through an http interface
[06:12] <Agrajag> personally I'd rather do it myself, with ssh, but some people prefer point-and-click
[06:13] <crimsun> MyNameIsChris: then "Chris" would change "gcc" to read "gcc-3.4" on lines 204 and 321 of Makefile
[06:13] <Agrajag> running it with sudo would make no difference, it would still ask for a root password.
[06:13] <MyNameIsChris> crimsun: Thanks, but there is no easier way?
[06:13] <Agrajag> Broncho: what "something else" was this?
[06:13] <crimsun> MyNameIsChris: the smart way, though, is to use MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-3.4" make-kpkg ...
[06:13] <thoreauputic> Agrajag: ah, I see
[06:13] <thoreauputic> Agrajag: thanks
[06:14] <bluefoxicy> so I have a logitech wingman gamepad
[06:14] <bluefoxicy> should it work?
[06:14] <Agrajag> bluefoxicy: yes
[06:14] <bluefoxicy> and is tere a damn thing that would use it?
[06:14] <Agrajag> games
[06:14] <Broncho> Agrajag: at this point I cant rememebr, Im dead tired thanks for the help
[06:14] <crimsun> MyNameIsChris: see make-kpkg(1)
[06:14] <MyNameIsChris> crimsun: Thanks friend
[06:15] <stuNNed> rock on new theme
[06:16] <crimsun> yeah, the new theme is excellent, jdub++
[06:16] <jdub> heh
[06:16] <jdub> thanks
[06:16] <jdub> but
[06:17] <jdub> credit goes to Richard Stellingwerff and Daniel Borgmann for clearlooks
[06:17] <jdub> and Cliff Chen for the background
[06:17] <jdub> Cliff's doing some rad stuff for us
[06:17] <jdub> more coming :-)
[06:17] <crimsun> great! :-)
[06:17] <jdub> and the Human icon theme is Andy Fitzsimon's creation
[06:17] <jdub> but not finished yet
[06:17] <jdub> so not on by default :)
[06:18] <jdub> (colours, coverage, etc)
[06:18] <dash> oh man, i gotta login again, then
[06:18] <dash> but i have so many windows open! oh well
[06:18] <dash> btw
[06:18] <dash> has anyone else seen gnome-terminal crash when it's loaded by gnome-session?
[06:18] <dash> like, every time?
[06:18] <MyNameIsChris> crimsun: Sorry to be a pain, what advice did you give earlier earlier?
[06:19] <thoreauputic> jdub: he of the Etiquette theme? From Brisbane?
[06:19] <crimsun> MyNameIsChris: the smart way, though, is to use MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-3.4" make-kpkg ...
[06:19] <jdub> thoreauputic: yes
[06:19] <crimsun> MyNameIsChris: see make-kpkg(1)
[06:19] <thoreauputic> jdub: ah - so svg icons etc?
[06:19] <jdub> yes
[06:19] <thoreauputic> great!
[06:19] <jdub> switch to the Human icon theme now for a preview
[06:19] <MyNameIsChris> crimsun: Yes, I am unfamiliar with make-kpkg
[06:19] <MyNameIsChris> And such a man page does not exist
[06:20] <crimsun> MyNameIsChris: sudo aptitude install kernel-package
[06:20] <dash> MyNameIsChris: it's in 'kernel-package'
[06:20] <schweeb> MyNameIsChris: you have to install kernel-package
[06:20] <MyNameIsChris> Ohhhhh
[06:20] <MyNameIsChris> What is wrong with standard make?
[06:20] <schweeb> make-kpkg makes a .deb for you
[06:20] <crimsun> nothing's "wrong" with it per se.
[06:20] <schweeb> and an initrd
[06:21] <GammaRay> hahaha
[06:21] <GammaRay> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/050306/483/fljc11203062336&e=1
[06:21] <crimsun> it's just more efficient in many cases to use the packaging infrastructure
[06:21] <MyNameIsChris> Sets up Grub and everything?
[06:21] <schweeb> yep
[06:21] <thoreauputic> jdub: I have the gdm etiquette themw here - I think it's excellent
[06:21] <thoreauputic> *theme
[06:21] <MyNameIsChris> Nice
[06:22] <qwm> ls
[06:23] <MyNameIsChris> Will it work with standard sources? Or only Ubuntu-patched ones
[06:23] <bob2> normal ones work fine
[06:24] <MyNameIsChris> Goody
[06:26] <MyNameIsChris> I still get "gcc: command not found"
[06:26] <crimsun> install build-essential
[06:27] <MyNameIsChris> But I have all the tools, they just can't be seen
[06:29] <foszae> okay so i've got a machine that i can install to perfectly, but when i boot up, it stalls as it checks the hotplug subsystem.  dead stalls
[06:31] <freewoody> How do I disable hotplug at startup and not get all those error messages
[06:32] <freewoody> If I disable the service, errors get shown at startup
[06:32] <bob2> MyNameIsChris: "can't be seen"?  are you sure you have build-essential installed?
[06:32] <bob2> freewoody: er, why?
[06:33] <MyNameIsChris> bob2: I have everything in the prerequisites. I have not installed build-essential
[06:33] <aethyr> ok, I'm on a brand new array 6 install, and I'm apt-get upgrading for the first time, and I get this error:
[06:34] <aethyr> Unpacking replacement language-pack-en-base .. . dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/language-pack-en-base_20050308_all.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/share/locale-langpack/en_CA/LC_MESSAGES/gnome-panel-2.0.mo', which is also in package language-pack-en
[06:34] <aethyr> any ideas?
[06:34] <MyNameIsChris> bob2: Now I do
[06:34] <bob2> MyNameIsChris: then 'which gcc' prints what?
[06:35] <MyNameIsChris> bob2: gcc works now, it was unknown before. I thought build-essentials was a download
[06:36] <bob2> ?
[06:36] <MyNameIsChris> gcc: unknown command, gcc-3.4 would work. Now gcc works
[06:36] <foszae> so freewoody are you getting past the kernel and into the gui?
[06:36] <R0bNyc> ANyone here using gaIM, i dont get to receive or send files, it never works
[06:37] <bob2> MyNameIsChris: yes, so you didn't have build-essential's prerequisites installed, you had some other packages which it doesn't care about
[06:37] <bob2> like gcc-3.4
[06:37] <Kurin> Really? I haven't had any problems sending files with gAIM
[06:37] <MyNameIsChris> That's correct
[06:37] <R0bNyc> Kurin, couldn't be my router cuz it works fine in windows
[06:37] <MyNameIsChris> Is there an X-based make-kpkg?
[06:37] <bob2> MyNameIsChris: er
[06:37] <bob2> MyNameIsChris: you know all that package does is produce a .deb of your kernel, right?
[06:37] <MyNameIsChris> Oh
[06:38] <MyNameIsChris> So I still xconfig?
[06:38] <MyNameIsChris> Well good
[06:38] <Kurin> R0bNyc, I'm not using a router, so... :)
[06:38] <R0bNyc> Kurin, lol :)
[06:38] <Kurin> have you made any changes, or is it from a fresh install?
[06:38] <Kurin> or rather 'untouched'
[06:40] <MyNameIsChris> Hmm, it seems I don't have ncurses, gtk or qt installed
[06:40] <bob2> MyNameIsChris: libncurses5-dev
[06:40] <MyNameIsChris> Thanks
[06:41] <MyNameIsChris> I imagined ubuntu would come with gtk+ for some reason
[06:42] <bob2> it does
[06:42] <thoreauputic> MyNameIsChris: yes, but not the -dev packages for compiling
[06:42] <bob2> but not the developer packages
[06:42] <MyNameIsChris> Oh
[06:42] <MyNameIsChris> Thankyou everyone for the help and patience
[06:42] <thoreauputic> MyNameIsChris: as a general rule, if you are missing something in a build, it's likely a -dev package
[06:43] <quarupt> The latest updates changed the console program launched by root terminal button wtf?
[06:43] <sion> which distro is ubuntu based on?
[06:44] <bob2> sion: Debian, of course.
[06:44] <sion> nice =)
[06:44] <thoreauputic> MyNameIsChris: other tools worth a look are using "apt-get build-dep" and 'dpkg-buildpackage"
[06:44] <Burgundavia> sion: to be more specific, debian sid. It is synced to said after every stable release
[06:44] <MyNameIsChris> thoreauputic: What do they do?
[06:45] <thoreauputic> MyNameIsChris: most of this is covered in detail in the Debian apt-howto
[06:45] <thoreauputic> you can install that too
[06:45] <Kurin> I'm quite new to Ubuntu and linux all together.. but I've got an easy question. When you upgrade a package (let's use the new Firefox release for example) do you install the newest version, or remove the old first?
[06:45] <MyNameIsChris> Where does ubuntu stick it stock kernel config file so I can use that as a starting point
[06:46] <thoreauputic> MyNameIsChris: sudo apt-get install apt-howto
[06:46] <Kurin> quite a few packages I'd like to update, but I don't want old versions hanging around :)
[06:46] <GregoryD> alien is my friend
[06:46] <bob2> MyNameIsChris: /boot/
[06:47] <bob2> MyNameIsChris: why are you buliding a new kernel to begin with?
[06:47] <bob2> Kurin: when the new version enters ubuntu, it replaces the old one
[06:48] <Kurin> bob2: ah, thanks :)
[06:48] <thoreauputic> Kurin: you don't need to remove the old one - if you want to remove old packages in the package cache, you can do apt-get autoclean
[06:49] <thoreauputic> Kurin: or apt-get clean to remove the lot
[06:50] <ubuntu> hey when is Hoary out?
[06:50] <ubuntu> I am running the livecd
[06:50] <Pluk> somewhere in april
[06:50] <MyNameIsChris> bob2: I was going to examine the bloatedness of my current one and determine if I am going to build my own
[06:50] <bob2> MyNameIsChris: no, there's no point at all
[06:50] <MyNameIsChris> Sorry if you were expecting a real reason
[06:50] <jdub> www.ubuntu.com/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule
[06:50] <jdub> ^ not "somewhere" :)
[06:51] <ubuntu> thsnkd
[06:51] <Pluk> well acutally it is somewhere in april :P
[06:51] <ubuntu> thanks
[06:51] <Kurin> thoreauputic: I knew about apt get to clean things out, but I was curious about adding packages that weren't in the repository
[06:51] <ubuntu> really, this livecd is AWESOME!
[06:51] <Kurin> especially GNOME and Firefox's latest releases
[06:51] <jdub> Kurin: hoary has them
[06:51] <MyNameIsChris> So, the stock 2.6.8.1-5-686-smp is fine. Downloaded images are usually very bloated
[06:52] <Kurin> jdub: I'm trying to stick with warty until hoary is final, just a goal of mine ;)
[06:52] <jdub> MyNameIsChris: "bloated" doesn't mean anything
[06:52] <Pluk> btw is there any difference between an upgraded warty system and a fresh hoary install when hoary is final?
[06:52] <jdub> Kurin: then there's no point upgrading stuff on it
[06:52] <jdub> Kurin: if you want to stick with warty
[06:52] <Overdrive_5000> Hi people can someone help me I just installed ubuntu but when it goes to start up I get a message saying "I cannot start xserver xfree86 may need to configured' or something along those lines and then it says it will disable until the problem is corrected. So any ideas ?
[06:52] <Kurin> jdub: why's that?
[06:52] <dash> particularly since kernels are modularized five ways from sunday now
[06:53] <jdub> Kurin: warty is warty, as it is, and is supported.
[06:53] <jdub> Kurin: if you muck with it, you're not running warty anymore
[06:53] <Pluk> well i mean warty converted to hoary
[06:53] <Kurin> jdub: hah, I see
[06:53] <dash> Overdrive_5000: what kind of video card do you have?
[06:53] <MyNameIsChris> jdub: Really, because when I was using Fedora people never shut up about the bloated state of my kernel
[06:53] <jdub> you'll have problems upgrading, etc., etc.
[06:53] <Overdrive_5000> geforce 6800LE
[06:53] <jdub> MyNameIsChris: "bloated" means nothing
[06:53] <Anubis> how can I get rid of this Debian menu?
[06:53] <jdub> Pluk: minor things
[06:53] <dash> Anubis: remove the 'menu' package
[06:53] <MyNameIsChris> jdub: So I shall not rebuild
[06:53] <jdub> Anubis: on hoary? remove menu-xdg
[06:53] <MyNameIsChris> Thankyou
[06:53] <HrdwrBoB> MyNameIsChris: because they didn't know what they were talking about
[06:54] <dash> oh, ok
[06:54] <dash> anubis: what jdub said :)
[06:54] <jdub> Pluk: an upgrade won't migrate you to utf8 - see the wiki for an upgrade guide
[06:54] <Pluk> ah ok those things i can do myself
[06:54] <MyNameIsChris> Well, I am going to go now. Thanks everyone
[06:55] <marklewis> I just booted up the new Gnome 2.10 live cd.  This is my first experience with Ubuntu, and it has auto-detected both soundcards in my system, but has decided to play all sounds with the wrong one.  How do I change the default sound card?
[06:55] <Pluk> although ISO-8859-15 is working ok for me
[06:55] <ubuntu> I guess I will use this lice disc till april 6th
[06:56] <NobleArc> Ubuntu does the same thing for me, marklewis, but for some reason, it chose the right one, heh.
[06:56] <marklewis> Drat,
[06:56] <yusufg> marklewis: where did you get the Gnome 2.10 liveCD
[06:56] <Kurin> jdub: I'll give hoary a second thought. I'm a little uneasy about removing warty since my data is on warty's partition and I don't have reliable backup yet
[06:57] <marklewis> yusufg: Off the torrent
[06:57] <thoreauputic> jdub, bob2 or whoever knows - am i right in thinking that those who signed up for warty CDs will also by default receive hoary CDs on release? (or within 10 weeks thereof) ?
[06:57] <Myrtti> morning all
[06:57] <NobleArc> If I plug in my webcam, it becomes the default OSS device, and it tries to play sound through it. :0
[06:57] <Pluk> mornin Myrtti
[06:58] <quarupt> man, i know i can get better than 2000FPS with this card GGGGRRRRR
[06:58] <jdub> thoreauputic: only a few, and only for this release (by default).
[06:58] <quarupt> jdub why did the last update change the default console program
[06:58] <quarupt> it sucks
[06:58] <thoreauputic> jdub: only a few meaning a few people, or a few CDs ?
[06:58] <Myrtti> so, how was the night at the salt mines
[06:58] <jdub> quarupt: you might want to explain what you mean
[06:58] <marklewis> I thought that this "multimedia systems selector" would help, but it only lets me choose between OSS, ESD and ALSA.
[06:58] <jdub> thoreauputic: few cds
[06:58] <jdub> thoreauputic: you can always add more
[06:59] <jdub> marklewis: that's one of the things we don't handle very well yet
[06:59] <NobleArc> my onboard sound card is disabled in the BIOS, but Ubuntu /still/ finds it, marklewis. o_O
[06:59] <quarupt> jdub, after i installed the last updates, my console is now yellow and doesnt have a menu bar??
[06:59] <marklewis> NobleArc: Same here.  Turned off in the BIOS.
[06:59] <thoreauputic> jdub: OK - fair enough: :) I only need a few (my 15 have all gone to good homes ;)
[06:59] <jdub> quarupt: console? do you mean gnome terminal?
[07:00] <Kurin> I had a problem with ubuntu finding my SB Live card at first, but all is well now
[07:00] <NobleArc> OSS claims to control my 'Sigmatel blah blah blah', but if I change the volume on the mixer, it controls my Sound Blaster Live. :0
[07:00] <jdub> NobleArc: excellent hardware detection, take no prisoners! ;)
[07:00] <NobleArc> so, it all works for me. ^^
[07:00] <yusufg> jdub: I am new to Debian/Ubuntu, is there going to be a documented way to upgrade from warty/hoary and from hoary/next version
[07:00] <QMario> Bye guys, and thank you for your help!:)
[07:00] <jdub> marklewis: the way to do it is edit /etc/modules and load the two sound card modules in the order you want them
[07:00] <Kurin> then again I just switched to my shuttle with onboard only ;)
[07:00] <NobleArc> There's not one thing Ubuntu can't detect properly, other than my webcam, but I never use it, so, I just unplugged it.
[07:00] <marklewis> Ah
[07:00] <jdub> yusufg: already documented on the wiki
[07:01] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[07:01] <jdub> marklewis: we're hoping to improve this for our next release
[07:01] <thoreauputic> quarupt: that's *completely* configurable with a few clicks
[07:01] <k3LsO> hi everyone
[07:01] <da_bon_bon> how do i do a plane jane text only install of ubuntufrom the warty Cds ?
[07:01] <Kurin> yusufg: I was just going to ask that
[07:01] <k3LsO> need help on installing vmware4.5
[07:01] <jdub> da_bon_bon: boot the warty install cd with 'custom'
[07:01] <Overdrive_5000> Hi people can someone help me I just installed ubuntu but when it goes to start up I get a message saying "I cannot start xserver xfree86 may need to configured' or something along those lines and then it says it will disable until the problem is corrected. So any ideas ? video card is a Geforce 6800LE
[07:03] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[07:03] <da_bon_bon> how do i do a plane jane text only install of ubuntu usingwarty Cds ?
[07:03] <da_bon_bon> how do i do a plane jane text only install of ubuntu using warty Cds ?
[07:04] <yusufg> Kurin: I am trying to search the upgrade info on the wiki
[07:05] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: I believe you can opt for "expert" install to have control over the process
[07:05] <Myrtti> nothing new, I see :->
[07:05] <Kurin> yusufg: I'm looking around as well. I'd like to smoothly upgrade rather than mess with a reinstall
[07:05] <da_bon_bon> yusufg, Kurin: change the repos and do a dist-upgrade
[07:05] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: thanks, will check it out
[07:06] <Kurin> da_bon_bon: oooh, I remember hearing that. Thanks for refreshing my memory. ^_^
[07:06] <Kurin> just change the warty to hoary, yes?
[07:06] <bob2> da_bon_bon: it's easier to just remove stuff
[07:06] <k3LsO> anyone tried installing vmware4.5 ??
[07:06] <da_bon_bon> k3LsO: yes. its running gr8
[07:06] <bob2> k3LsO: vmware presumably gives you support when you give them money
[07:07] <da_bon_bon> bob2: ok, then after complete install, how do i remove complete gnome and X ?
[07:07] <k3LsO> ok....to be frank i aint paying for it
[07:07] <da_bon_bon> k3LsO: whats the problem ?
[07:07] <Pluk> i had problems with vmware4.5 and kernel 2.6.10
[07:07] <k3LsO> /usr/bin/vmware: line 84: /etc/vmware/locations: No such file or directory
[07:07] <k3LsO> ldd: /bin/vmware: No such file or directory
[07:07] <k3LsO> /usr/bin/vmware: line 189: /bin/vmware: No such file or directory
[07:07] <k3LsO> /usr/bin/vmware: line 189: exec: /bin/vmware: cannot execute: No such file or directory
[07:07] <bob2> god
[07:07] <Pluk> vmware 5 beta works ok though
[07:07] <da_bon_bon> Pluk: 4.5 works ok too
[07:08] <thoreauputic> k3LsO: you are *slightly* off-topic, I'd suggest
[07:08] <k3LsO> thoreauputic, i dont get it ?
[07:08] <thoreauputic> k3LsO: /topic  ?
[07:08] <bob2> a) you're using warez
[07:09] <bob2> b) you ignored the obviousness of the error
[07:09] <bob2> c) you flooded the channel in an annoying manner
[07:09] <Pluk> ah ok must be a thingy here then da_bon_bon but 5 works great here so im not going back :)
[07:09] <k3LsO> sorry
[07:09] <da_bon_bon> Pluk: u have a fully paid version of beta 5 ?
[07:09] <Pluk> beta 5 is free
[07:09] <da_bon_bon> k3LsO: u r using warez ?
[07:09] <Myrtti> my god I hate gnome panels
[07:10] <k3LsO> yes
[07:10] <da_bon_bon> Myrtti: why ?
[07:10] <Pluk> but i 5 is out ill let my boss buy it.. last time he bought vmware the windows version for me :D
[07:11] <da_bon_bon> Pluk: where do i get 5-beta ?
[07:11] <Pluk> lemme look brb
[07:11] <Myrtti> I want compact panels, now I need two of them to get everything I want
[07:12] <root___> hi all
[07:12] <Myrtti> if only the goddamn launchers wouldn't scale when panel size is having adjusted to bigger
[07:12] <da_bon_bon> Myrtti: use kde ?
[07:12] <Myrtti> I feel a sudden urge to install kde
[07:13] <NobleArc> ew.
[07:13] <Myrtti> da_bon_bon: indeed, but I'm wondering what I might be missing then from Gnome
[07:13] <Tech^salvager> Hello
[07:14] <Tech^salvager> Why should I try Ubuntu over SuSE 9.3?
[07:14] <Pluk> da_bon_bon, http://www.vmware.com/products/desktop/ws5_beta.html
[07:14] <Pluk> down is a link for downloading the beta
[07:14] <da_bon_bon> Pluk: thanks
[07:14] <dash> Tech^salvager: Better logo.
[07:14] <Tech^salvager> uh huh
[07:15] <Kurin> he's got you there
[07:15] <NobleArc> lol.
[07:15] <Tech^salvager> no
[07:15] <NobleArc> Ubuntu is Debian.. but SHINY.
[07:15] <Tech^salvager> cause I think the logo looks like crap
[07:15] <NobleArc> and Debian rocks.
[07:15] <Kurin> is SUSE RPM based?
[07:15] <NobleArc> Yeah, it is.
[07:16] <da_bon_bon> Kurin: yes
[07:16] <Kurin> well there's your answer then
[07:16] <Burgundavia> lol
[07:16] <Kurin> I had nothing but problems chasing dependancies on Fendora X_x
[07:16] <thoreauputic> Tech^salvager: because it will give you endless opportunities to tell us why SUSE is superior?
[07:17] <Tech^salvager> lol
[07:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> is there any way to set grub to run in a higher resolution?
[07:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> so it looks look like lilo.
[07:18] <NobleArc> there should be. :0
[07:18] <quarupt> okay, so all of the sudden nothing appears in my bar in gnome?
[07:18] <NobleArc> and if there is, someone let me know.
[07:18] <membreya> yes BROKEN_LADDER
[07:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> oh boy.
[07:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> how sir?
[07:18] <quarupt> man, i was really starting to like this distro, but this is a huge bug
[07:18] <membreya> what res? :)
[07:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> quarupt:  i've never had anything like that man.
[07:18] <Kurin> I haven't either
[07:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> ubuntu rocks.  you're just having some weird experience.
[07:18] <NobleArc> Nor I.
[07:18] <quarupt> Unless theres an easy fic im going back to KDE
[07:19] <NobleArc> ew.. KDE.
[07:19] <andrewski> how can i make sure xscreensaver is running when X starts for every user?
[07:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> there has got to be an easy fix.
[07:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> don't go back to kde man!
[07:19] <Kurin> though I am a little annoyed by not being able to power down :(
[07:19] <bob2> quarupt: did you just update?
[07:19] <bob2> Kurin: how old is the machine?
[07:19] <quarupt> Yes
[07:19] <neom> quarupt - Have you tried kubuntu?
[07:19] <quarupt> and one package wouldnt install
[07:19] <membreya> BROKEN_LADDER: http://www.mepis.org/node/2992?PHPSESSID=c2338345ba67cf5e8b4f24687b683a9a
[07:19] <andrewski> quarupt: did you try restarting?
[07:19] <Kurin> just bought it uh.. a month ago
[07:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> andrewski:  change their settings.
[07:19] <NobleArc> bob2 is a question-answering master. :0
[07:19] <quarupt> I also just switched X drivers
[07:19] <hayden> why does ubuntu take so long to boot up?
[07:19] <andrewski> BROKEN_LADDER: there's no way to set that globally?
[07:19] <quarupt> yes i have restarted X
[07:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> andrewski:  not that i know of. perhaps.  i'm no expert.
[07:19] <membreya> hayden: define "long"
[07:19] <NobleArc> ..it does, hayden?
[07:19] <bob2> quarupt: then you may need to restart gnome
[07:19] <Kurin> bob2: I followed someone's instructions online to "correctly upgrade nvidia drivers the debian way" or something
[07:19] <bob2> ok then
[07:20] <andrewski> membreya: yeah, really. :)
[07:20] <Kurin> ended up compiling a custom kernel and all that
[07:20] <quarupt> you mean restart gdm?
[07:20] <bob2> Kurin: god
[07:20] <hayden> membreya, it sits at 'starting hotplug subsystem' and 'starting network interfaces
[07:20] <hayden>  for ages
[07:20] <Kurin> after I did everything ran great, except no powerdown
[07:20] <bob2> Kurin: shoot whoever told you to do something so silly
[07:20] <andrewski> hayden: it takes a while to load a default kernel and its modules.
[07:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> andrewski:  you could just create the settings file and cp it to /home/*/settings_directory_blah/
[07:20] <quarupt> i have restarted my X session twice allready
[07:20] <hayden> winxp loads alot faster
[07:20] <membreya> my system is fully booted in 50 seconds
[07:20] <bob2> quarupt: ok.  you're using hoary?
[07:20] <Kurin> yeah, it was a pain, but it was my second week using linux, and I wanted to know
[07:20] <quarupt> Yea
[07:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> hayden:  disable unneeded services.
[07:20] <andrewski> hayden: if you don't need it, you could disable hotplug.
[07:20] <Tech^salvager> so
[07:20] <Kurin> would I ever do it again? NO. ;)
[07:20] <quarupt> i just changed to fglrx
[07:20] <firdel> mine crashes at hotplug 3outa 4 times :(
[07:20] <hayden> andrewski, what does hotplug do?
[07:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> imo, ubuntu should start services, like sshd, _after_ x boots up.
[07:20] <membreya> my winxp (once all the software is installed) takes about 70 - 80 secs
[07:21] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: why?
[07:21] <Tech^salvager> how do I have to install nVvidia drivers in ubuntu?
[07:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> so that it boots faster!!
[07:21] <bob2> so it looks like it boots faster?
[07:21] <quarupt> bob2 this sucks
[07:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> for the love of god.
[07:21] <bob2> Tech^salvager: please read the FAQ
[07:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> so it actually DOES boot faster!
[07:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> so you can start using it.
[07:21] <GregoryD> switched my dad to ubuntu tonight after showing him the warty livecd... makes his p-3 1 Ghz sing... he was using windows millenium and considering a switch to XP
[07:21] <bob2> Tech^salvager: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:21] <andrewski> hayden: it starts drivers for any devices loaded after you boot up.
[07:21] <quarupt> so im going back to KDE now
[07:21] <hayden> hmm ok
[07:21] <andrewski> hayden: (e.g. USB sticks, external drives)
[07:21] <neom> quarupt - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Kubuntu
[07:21] <hayden> ok
[07:21] <membreya> BROKEN_LADDER: but the definition of boot is from the POST screen until everything is loaded, including x
[07:21] <jordanau> wow that font hinting makes a big difference
[07:21] <quarupt> unless i can fix it in like 5 minutes
[07:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> that's stupid.
[07:21] <rriche> Hi, can someone tell me what packages i need for rhythmbox to support mp3 and mpeg?
[07:21] <Tech^salvager> no way
[07:21] <membreya> so if you load those services in x it will still take time
[07:21] <hayden> andrewski, so what if you want to use a usb stick after u reboot?
[07:22] <BROKEN_LADDER> if i can boot up my machine and start working on it, i have no problem waiting a few minutes while services start.
[07:22] <andrewski> rriche: gstreamer-mad, or something like that.
[07:22] <quarupt> neow i know
[07:22] <BROKEN_LADDER> membreya:  but who cares?!
[07:22] <andrewski> hayden: um, hotplug takes care of that.  otherwise IIRC you have to load the driver manually.
[07:22] <hayden> ok
[07:22] <membreya> BROKEN_LADDER: but if you're saying "it will boot faster" ..that's incorrect
[07:22] <BROKEN_LADDER> membreya:  no one on a desktop need worry if it takes a few minutes to start sshd.
[07:22] <membreya> it will just get to X quicker
[07:22] <BROKEN_LADDER> exactly!
[07:22] <BROKEN_LADDER> so you can start using your system.
[07:22] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: membreya this seems kinda off-topic
[07:22] <bob2> and heated
[07:22] <bob2> so, thanks
[07:22] <membreya> sorry bob2 :(
[07:22] <rriche> hrrm
[07:22] <BROKEN_LADDER> membreya:  no it's not incorrect.  don't be so anal.
[07:23] <rriche> yah.. i have gstreamer-mad
[07:23] <bob2> rriche: no, you want gstreamer0.8-mad
[07:23] <GregoryD> how much of a performance increase can I realistically expect to gain by switching from the 386 kernel to the k7 kernel (I'm running an athon 3000+)?
[07:23] <bob2> as the wiki page says
[07:23] <bob2> GregoryD: not noticable
[07:23] <andrewski> rriche: there's another mpeg gstreamer-* package
[07:23] <rriche> bob2: thx
[07:23] <hayden> there is a k7 kernel?
[07:23] <root___> cool summer
[07:23] <andrewski> does anyone know if the xscreensaver daemon starts up automatically in gnome/
[07:23] <andrewski> ?
[07:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> why would anyone want to sit there, unable to log in and start surfing, checking email, etc. so he can watch his sshd and sendmail daemons start up?
[07:23] <quarupt> once i minimize something ITS GONE FOREVER
[07:23] <rriche> bob2: which goes to show i need to read the wiki more often :)
[07:24] <andrewski> quarupt: have you reset your configuration?
[07:24] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: please?
[07:24] <quarupt> whats another way to restore a window without the bar?
[07:24] <bob2> quarupt: alt-tab
[07:24] <quarupt> andrewski, i dun think so, and my terminal has a yellow BG now
[07:24] <Kurin> quarupt: add the window selector
[07:24] <andrewski> quarupt: making oblique comments about your problem only sounds like whining over IRC.  i'm jus' sayin'. :)
[07:24] <firdel> quarupt, slap ypur monitor
[07:25] <andrewski> quarupt: you can ask your question multiple times though.  i am. :P
[07:25] <firdel> spank it
[07:25] <membreya> ooo gtk2-engines-clearlooks is coming down in synaptic,...
[07:25] <BROKEN_LADDER> alright.
[07:25] <rriche> hrrm, rhythmbox reports -> There is no element present to handle the stream's mime type audio/mpeg
[07:25] <quarupt> all i did was change to fglrx as an x driver
[07:25] <andrewski> firdel: hmm, now my monitor is flickering, buzzing, and sparking.... :/
[07:25] <BROKEN_LADDER> i got my site done tonight.  http://brokenladder.com/  wacha think fellers?
[07:25] <quarupt> lemme try different res
[07:25] <GregoryD> those geniuses who maintain the fedora core 3 Mame binary did a bangup job with forgetting to enable half the freaking joypad types when they compiled it... alien did me no good after all ;)
[07:25] <firdel> mine2 :/
[07:25] <andrewski> quarupt: i don't really think that's gonna help.
[07:25] <firdel> get xine!
[07:26] <BROKEN_LADDER> where are the grub settings files?
[07:26] <andrewski> quarupt: if your other apps are working, i'd say it's a configuration problem.
[07:26] <membreya> BROKEN_LADDER: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:26] <quarupt> but i didnt change anything sept my x driver
[07:26] <Myrtti> no voi paskan paska sentn
[07:26] <Myrtti> ffs
[07:26] <andrewski> quarupt: well, you could try changing it back; it's always good to eliminate a variable. :)
[07:26] <BROKEN_LADDER> thanks
[07:27] <rriche> ahh.. oops .. need the gstreamer0.8 mpeg stuff too.
[07:27] <Myrtti> anyone else tried to install kde?
[07:27] <NobleArc> ew.
[07:27] <deFrysk> I did
[07:27] <deFrysk> 3.4
[07:27] <andrewski> rriche: i said it. :)
[07:27] <deFrysk> good stuff
[07:27] <Myrtti> I've got unmet dependencies that I can't figure out
[07:28] <quarupt> did ya try apt-get -f install
[07:28] <deFrysk> Myrtti, try kde3.4
[07:28] <BROKEN_LADDER> membreya:  i don't see where in that file i can configure framebuffer res.
[07:28] <deFrysk> that one works
[07:28] <Myrtti> quarupt
[07:28] <Myrtti> not yet
[07:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> quarupt:  have you considered using fluxbox?  it's sweet.
[07:29] <membreya> BROKEN_LADDER: kernel		/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-3-amd64-generic root=/dev/sda3 ro console=tty0 quiet splash vga=792 <-- you need to put it after your kernel
[07:29] <deFrysk> Myrtti, kde3.3x is broken
[07:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> ahhh!
[07:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> thanks dude.
[07:29] <Chipzz> ok stupid question
[07:29] <Chipzz> I got a v4l2 driver which I'm not sure supports udev
[07:29] <andrewski> Chipzz: no such thing :)
[07:29] <NobleArc> if you replace your debian sources.list with an ubuntu one, and apt-get dist-upgrade, would it break everything?
[07:29] <Chipzz> how do I make /dev/video
[07:29] <Chipzz> ?
[07:29] <Myrtti> deFrysk: I don't mind trying as long as I've still got the *****
[07:29] <andrewski> Chipzz: you can just make a symlink to the device.
[07:30] <Myrtti> this might take a loooong loong time...
[07:30] <andrewski> Chipzz: cd /dev; ln -s blah video
[07:30] <Chipzz> hmmm ok so I gotta figure out the device name
[07:30] <Chipzz> makes sense
[07:30] <deFrysk> Myrtti, I have both on my desktop now
[07:30] <Chipzz> only thing; I don't know the device name :P
[07:30] <deFrysk> Myrtti, it does not interfere with superior gnome ;p
[07:30] <quarupt> BROKEN_LADDER,  flux is to light weight for me, i need nice menus and bars
[07:30] <andrewski> Chipzz: yeah, you do. :)  and then you can figure out for the both of us how to get it to stay after boot. :)
[07:30] <andrewski> quarupt: xfce?
[07:30] <deFrysk> desktop = box
[07:31] <Echylo> gmorning
[07:31] <Pluk> xfce 4.3 is nice
[07:31] <Myrtti> deFrysk: that's why I'm willing to try
[07:31] <Pluk> 4.2*
[07:31] <NobleArc> ...
[07:31] <andrewski> Pluk: i was going to say. :)
[07:31] <deFrysk> Myrtti, good luck
[07:31] <Pluk> :)
[07:31] <Myrtti> I rilly rilly start to hate gnome
[07:31] <andrewski> Myrtti: xfce? ;)
[07:31] <deFrysk> Myrtti, I expect the next ubunt will have 2 versions , kde and gnome
[07:31] <NobleArc> If you replace a Debian Sid sources.list with a Hoary one, and apt-get dist-upgrade, will it transform into Ubuntu, or just break everything?
[07:31] <Pluk> maybe we should start xubuntu :D
[07:32] <Echylo> noble I think it will break everything
[07:32] <NobleArc> ah, that's what I figured.
[07:32] <Myrtti> andrewski: mind if I just pour this mug of coffee on my keyboard, it's easier thatn laughing it there
[07:32] <Echylo> don't know for sure
[07:32] <jdub> Pluk: i'm looking for people, if you're serious
[07:32] <Echylo> but I think it will not work ;)
[07:32] <Chipzz> andrewski: the README from tehy driver doesn't mention the device name :/
[07:32] <andrewski> Chipzz: i dunno.
[07:32] <Pluk> jdub, i would love to help but i lach the brains :)
[07:32] <Pluk> lack*
[07:33] <Echylo> je lacht met de hersenen
[07:33] <NobleArc> I run Ubuntu, but a friend who has Debian wants xorg and GNOME 2.10, lol.
[07:33] <andrewski> NobleArc: you can get xorg in hoary.
[07:33] <NobleArc> I have it. :D
[07:33] <membreya> wow..didn't realise..the ubuntu chocolate wallpaper has changed :D
[07:33] <andrewski> membreya: really?
[07:33] <_4strO> :p
[07:34] <NobleArc> it's ugly, membreya.
[07:34] <_4strO> yop yop
[07:34] <membreya> yup..it's pretty now :)
[07:34] <membreya> but I still prefer my ubuntu calender :P
[07:34] <NobleArc> I like the old one. =\
[07:34] <deFrysk> ubuntu colours are ugly to start with (sorry)
[07:34] <Pluk> jdub, what tasks need to be done for such a thing?
[07:34] <andrewski> that is nice, though they should really release an SVG also. :)
[07:35] <qwm> where can i obtain these wallpapers of nude people that the english wikipedia article about ubuntu mentions?
[07:35] <qwm> :p
[07:35] <andrewski> deFrysk: true.  i was trying to recolor a theme for it and i had my choice of red, yellow, or brown.  blech.
[07:35] <membreya> qvm : ubuntu calender
[07:35] <NobleArc> Nude?  hardly.
[07:35] <NobleArc> The guy is wearing pants.
[07:35] <jdub> Pluk: first we need people keen to maintain xfce in univerdse
[07:35] <Echylo> all say cheese!
[07:36] <andrewski> jdub Pluk: or you could just add packages from os-works.com :)
[07:36] <deFrysk> os-works rules
[07:36] <Pluk> andrewski, true but it would be nice to have it in universe
[07:36] <BROKEN_LADDER> the high-res grub worked.  yay.
[07:36] <andrewski> Pluk: that's what i mean. :)
[07:36] <rattboi> ok, I'm using a live cd now, and I'd like to fix my grub installation
[07:37] <rattboi> someone said I need to mount my drive, and use chroot to do grub-install
[07:37] <andrewski> deFrysk: i just found out that they're a company that produces that stuff.  sheesh, how cool.
[07:37] <membreya> of course it worked BROKEN_LADDER :P
[07:37] <andrewski> ok, must get to bed!!!
[07:37] <andrewski> g'night
[07:38] <rattboi> I mounted the drive, and I ran "sudo chroot grub-install"
[07:38] <rattboi> and it says I need a device to install to
[07:38] <rattboi> do I use /dev/hda ?
[07:39] <mroth> hmm.. how do you clear the 'recently opened' list in totem?
[07:40] <Burgundavia> mroth: gconf
[07:42] <qwm> NobleArc: what guy? i can only find nude females..
[07:42] <NobleArc> hm.
[07:42] <NobleArc> it's one of 'em.
[07:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> whenever i try to play music in rhythmbox, it says "cannot open source for writing".  xmms works fine.
[07:42] <NobleArc> I'm not in Ubuntu right now.  Busy encoding some stuff in Windows. >.<
[07:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> encoding in windows?? wtf
[07:42] <NobleArc> I installed all the ubuntu-calendar things from warty.
[07:43] <NobleArc> I was too lazy to learn a program for encoding video in *nix. :P
[07:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> NobleArc:  thoggen is super easy.
[07:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> and encodes to beautiful ogg theora.
[07:43] <NobleArc> Auto Gordian Knot is good enough for now, it's late, I'm tired, and I need to encode an episode of Buffy to watch at school tomorrow. >.<'
[07:43] <NobleArc> ooh, theora.
[07:43] <mroth> Burgundavia: hmm.. in gconf-editor in /apps/totem I dont see a value for it
[07:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> okay, everything i have that relies upon gstreamer can't play audio.
[07:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> what could i have accidentally removed?
[07:43] <NobleArc> Everything I have that relies on gstreamer can't play /anything./
[07:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> how can i reinstall everything necessary for gstreamer?
[07:43] <Burgundavia> mroth: nor did I, but I think it is there
[07:44] <NobleArc> no video, no audio, no nothin'.
[07:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> NobleArc:  it used to work.  i messed something up.
[07:44] <NobleArc> Totem just complains. :0
[07:44] <NobleArc> Well lucky you, at least it worked ONCE. :P
[07:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> NobleArc:  did you apt-get install gstreamer stuff?
[07:44] <NobleArc> everything.
[07:44] <NobleArc> all the plugins, et al.
[07:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> NobleArc:  have you talked to others about this and tried to solve it?
[07:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> it drives me mad.
[07:46] <NobleArc> naw.
[07:46] <NobleArc> I just use gmplayer. :P
[07:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> do you get that error about not being able to open device for writing?
[07:46] <NobleArc> eh.. no.
[07:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> hmm..what error?
[07:46] <NobleArc> I get 'I don't know what's wrong, but I'm not going to work.'
[07:47] <NobleArc> it says 'Unable to play file.  Reason unknown.' in Totem.
[07:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> jesus
[07:47] <NobleArc> everything else doesn't give me an error, it just.. doesn't work.
[07:47] <Burgundavia> NobleArc: what is the file ext?
[07:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> is there an apt-get command that will make sure, when it installs a package, that EVERY dependency is met?
[07:47] <NobleArc> multiple ones.
[07:47] <NobleArc> mp3, avi, mpg, ogg.
[07:47] <NobleArc> it can't play anything. :P
[07:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> yeah mine won't play anything either.
[07:47] <Burgundavia> NobleArc: are you using totem-xine or totem-gstreamer?
[07:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> no gstreamer worky for me.
[07:47] <NobleArc> oh, I think I tried an .ogm too.
[07:47] <NobleArc> totem-gstreamer.
[07:48] <Echylo> yes
[07:48] <Echylo> totem is fixed in hoary :p
[07:48] <Burgundavia> change to totme-xine
[07:48] <NobleArc> ah, I haven't tried since I upgraded to horay
[07:48] <NobleArc> *hoary
[07:48] <NobleArc> I don't even use totem though, so I don't care. :P
[07:48] <NobleArc> I'll add it to my list of things to do, though.
[07:48] <Echylo> uhu me neither
[07:49] <quarupt> wow kubuntu with KDE3.4 is looking NICE'
[07:49] <NobleArc> ew.
[07:49] <Pluk> how can kde look nice? ;P
[07:50] <NobleArc> it can't.
[07:50] <Pluk> just trolling  here :)
[07:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> lol
[07:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> kde is ugly
[07:51] <qwm> it's kugly.
[07:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> bwah hah hah
[07:51] <Pluk> LOL
[07:51] <NobleArc> lmao
[07:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> i like gnome and flux
[07:51] <NobleArc> Yessss.
[07:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> flux is beautiful but not feature-rich.  i like my sessioning and such.
[07:52] <Burgundavia> woohoo bug 7400 is all mine!!
[07:53] <qwm> anyone who knows the names of the models on ubuntulinux.org and the wallpapers?
[07:53] <Burgundavia> qwm: wrong country
[07:53] <NobleArc> uh..
[07:53] <cleverAlf> just a quickie...  i took advantage of the ubuntu offer of free shipping and they sent me almost 2 doz copies..  BUT..  the live CD has NO wvdial, kppp, or any dialer to get on the internet.. WHATS UP?
[07:54] <NobleArc> Ubuntu Lady #1, Ubuntu Lady #2, and Ubuntu Guy in Pants.
[07:54] <Burgundavia> cleverAlf: file a bug
[07:54] <Burgundavia> cleverAlf: space is very tight on the livecds
[07:54] <quarupt> great a new bug
[07:54] <quarupt> gaim just turns off
[07:54] <qwm> :)
[07:55] <cleverAlf> knoppix has a LOT more so I can't buy into the space thingie.. :-(
[07:55] <caliber> fluxbox is what i use
[07:55] <caliber> i highly reccomend it
[07:55] <Burgundavia> cleverAlf: Does knoppix ship with several languages?
[07:56] <cleverAlf> sure..
[07:56] <cleverAlf> boot with lang=<your language>
[07:56] <topyli> is hoary preview released?
[07:56] <det> cleverAlf, perhaps there is a pppsetup?
[07:56] <NobleArc> Hoary Array-6 (RC6?) is released.
[07:57] <caliber> I wonder which array im using
[07:57] <NobleArc> As soon as you apt-get dist-upgrade, you're using array 6. :p
[07:57] <topyli> NobleArc: is that the same thing? i mean warty preview released the same day as gnome 2.8
[07:57] <caliber> NobleArc: i haven't :] 
[07:57] <NobleArc> hm, not sure.  I've not been using Ubuntu for all that long. =\
[07:57] <NobleArc> I wasn't using it when Warty was released.
[07:57] <mike_douglas> topyli: there was a hardware detection bug and It's been pushed back one day
[07:57] <NobleArc> not for months after, actually.
[07:58] <topyli> NobleArc: goddamn newbies ;)
[07:58] <NobleArc> -_-
[07:58] <topyli> mike_douglas: ok, thanks
[07:58] <NobleArc> I've installed it, cleverAlf.  I've got Hoary right now. :0
[07:58] <NobleArc> I have a bunch of Warty LiveCDs though. *points to stack*
[07:58] <gabaug> is Ant not available as a packge for Ubuntu?
[07:59] <mike_douglas> gabaug: thats java-based, isn't it?
[07:59] <gabaug> yes
[07:59] <NobleArc> ew.. java.
[07:59] <topyli> NobleArc: i'm interested in the new gnome only. i don't really care what version my grep is :)
[07:59] <quarupt> anyone know why none of my mp3 players will play music? but i can hear system sounds?
[07:59] <NobleArc> lol.
[07:59] <mike_douglas> you'll probably have to wait for GCJ to build it
[07:59] <NobleArc> I've got GNOME 2.10, it rocks.
[07:59] <cleverAlf> thanks noblearc..
[07:59] <bryan> apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins
[07:59] <topyli> NobleArc: ok, perhaps i'll upgrade this weekend
[08:00] <Burgundavia> quarupt: multimedia-preferences  - run that that and make certain that you are using esound not alsa or oss
[08:00] <crimsun> quarupt: dpkg -l gstreamer0.8-mad|grep ^ii
[08:01] <quarupt> i got it
[08:01] <quarupt> thx
[08:01] <quarupt> next mission Limewire
[08:01] <cleverAlf> I don't understand why so many people are ranting and raving about ubuntu..  I've tried almost all the debian based distro and really think mephis is one of the best..  not that ubuntu is bad but it just seems a little 'thin'..  < imho >
[08:01] <steve_> anyone familiar with setting up wine
[08:01] <NobleArc> eh.  I've not used MEPIS.
[08:02] <Pluk> cleverAlf, what do you mean with thin?
[08:02] <cleverAlf> mepis is what really got me interested in debian...
[08:02] <steve_> hello, anyone able to help
[08:02] <crimsun> cleverAlf: maybe Ubuntu isn't for you - after all, all these distros exist precisely due to differing (not necessarily mutually-exclusive) target audiences.
[08:02] <cleverAlf> thin in the apps department...
[08:02] <BROKEN_LADDER> yeah..i remember how much i miss gnome in fluxbox.
[08:02] <Burgundavia> cleverAlf: talking about why mepis great has another channel, called #ubuntu
[08:02] <BROKEN_LADDER> i like my panel and such.
[08:02] <topyli> cleverAlf: ubuntu (to me) is just an easier way of running debian unstable ;)
[08:03] <Burgundavia> cleverAlf: specific things you don't like, then mention that
[08:03] <Burgundavia> cleverAlf: make that #mepis
[08:03] <Pluk> ur right cleverAlf i like it that way though :)
[08:03] <crimsun> cleverAlf: keep in mind that Hoary Universe has ~15,000 binary packages. I don't know your definition of "thin," but that's quite a bit...
[08:03] <steve_> anyone familiar with setting up wine
[08:04] <Burgundavia> if thin means one app that works great instead of 9 installed by default, I'll take thin
[08:04] <Burgundavia> that is why I left fedora/rh
[08:04] <Pluk> i really prefer to "unthin" it then "unbloat" it :)
[08:04] <crimsun> steve_: hoary/universe has winesetuptk
[08:04] <cleverAlf> ok...  ok...  i just logged in to see why my cd doesn't have ANY dialer at all so I can use ubuntu to access the net..  sorry bout the other comments..
[08:04] <topyli> cleverAlf: yes, listen to crimsun. ubuntu has just about all the debian unstable packages
[08:04] <steve_> crimsum: is there a difference in that and wine
[08:05] <Pluk> cleverAlf, it doesnt have ppp end pon poff etc. ?
[08:05] <Pluk> and*
[08:05] <crimsun> steve_: winesetuptk is a Wine setup tool.
[08:05] <Burgundavia> cleverAlf: ok, I can understand that complaint. I don't build the cds so I assume they left it of to get something that they felt was more important on
[08:05] <cleverAlf> nope..  nothin... (remember, im talkin bout the livecd..)
[08:05] <steve_> okay, when I go to install winesetuptk, it uninstalls wine
[08:05] <topyli> windows runs windows apps better than wine does IMO :)
[08:06] <Echylo> wow
[08:06] <Echylo> what a statement
[08:06] <topyli> hehe
[08:06] <Echylo> windows would be really bad
[08:06] <crimsun> steve_: are you running warty?
[08:06] <steve_> hoary
[08:06] <Echylo> if it wouldn't run their apps better
[08:06] <NobleArc> lol.
[08:06] <Echylo> topyli aren't you some1 from #musb ?
[08:07] <Echylo> or from www.mandrakeusers.org
[08:07] <topyli> Echylo: i don't even know what #musb is :)
[08:07] <Echylo> ow :)
[08:07] <Echylo> hmm the nickname was familiar
[08:07] <Pluk> ah the guy with the friendly intoduction
[08:07] <topyli> Echylo: i do hang out on alt.os.linux.mandrake, but there i don't use a nick but my realname
[08:08] <steve_> crimsum: should I use the windows partition or setup a new fake one
[08:08] <Echylo> ok
[08:08] <topyli> Echylo: i'm an old mandrake fan :)
[08:08] <Echylo> ok :)
[08:08] <Echylo> how do I know that then :s
[08:09] <topyli> Echylo: #gnome-hackers? finnish channels?
[08:09] <steve_> anyone know when setting up wine if should use an existing windows parition or make a fake one
[08:09] <Echylo> nope
[08:09] <Echylo> anyway
[08:09] <Echylo> gtg
[08:09] <Echylo> cya I'll think about it
[08:09] <dazed> hey whats it mean when it says it could not resolve mount point '/mnt'
[08:09] <factotum> steve_, i usually create a fake one
[08:10] <steve_> factotum: cool
[08:11] <NobleArc> as do I.
[08:12] <topyli> steve_: if you do have a windows partition, you should use the .DLL's that are there. they're bound to be better than what wine provides
[08:12] <steve_> topyli: thanks
[08:12] <topyli> only MS knows how they work ;)
[08:13] <airox> inetd isn't needed in ubuntu is it ?
[08:13] <quarupt> has made a gnome windows api
[08:13] <steve_> topyli, now that wine is setup, I just wine  and then the file right
[08:13] <quarupt> how to get vmware free?>
[08:13] <airox> quarupt: not.
[08:14] <crimsun> quarupt: the 30-day trial is "free."
[08:14] <topyli> airox: inetd is a way for not running each service independently. "necessary" is very relative ;)
[08:14] <topyli> steve_: yes
[08:14] <quarupt> airox, not what?
[08:14] <airox> Well inetd.conf does not contain any services.
[08:14] <steve_> I did that and it did not do anything
[08:14] <airox> I have great experiences without it :)
[08:14] <topyli> airox: huh? it's broken then
[08:14] <steve_> when I installed winesetuptk it uninstalled wine
[08:15] <topyli> steve_: well, wine doesn't always work. what are you trying to run?
[08:15] <steve_> dvdshrink
[08:15] <airox> I guess I can remove the /etc/rc2.d/S20inetd then
[08:15] <steve_> topyli, does winesetuptk have wine in it
[08:15] <topyli> steve_: no idea what that is :)
[08:16] <topyli> steve_: oh no, you don't have wine installed =)
[08:16] <steve_> winesetup lets you setup wine graphically
[08:16] <steve_> okay, when I did have acutal wine installed, it would run the programs but not save them anywhere
[08:16] <topyli> steve_: wine is in a package of its own. winesetup is just an addon
[08:16] <DuplexEmotions> hi
[08:16] <steve_> okay, when you install wine, it unistalls winesetuptk
[08:17] <DuplexEmotions> when you two are done, do you think you can help me with an NTFS mounting problem?
[08:17] <topyli> steve_: and these are from the same apt repository? buggy
[08:17] <steve_> topyli, do you think you can send me your sources
[08:17] <steve_> topyli, so I can compare
[08:18] <topyli> steve_: anyway, if you really want to fiddle with wine, you should build it for your machine, and tell it where your windows .DLL's are. but i haven't used it for a long time. i bought an old PC and installed win98 on it. much better
[08:19] <airox> DuplexEmotions: Ask :)
[08:19] <topyli> steve_: of course, if you want my sources.list, i'll paste it into #floos
[08:19] <bryan> DuplexEmotions:  add something like: /dev/hdb1       /media/windowz ntfs user,umask=0222 0 0
[08:19] <topyli> heh. #flood
[08:19] <bryan> to /etc/fstab
[08:19] <steve_> topyli, thanks
[08:19] <bryan> then mount -a
[08:20] <DuplexEmotions> Well, I'm a complete linux n00b (it pains me to admit it), and I've been trying to mount my two NTFS partitions (one is my media drive and one is my windows partition), and whenever I mount it I only have access permission from root
[08:20] <topyli> steve_: you're not on #flood :)
[08:20] <bryan> yeah
[08:20] <DuplexEmotions> I've done that, bryan. I've also fiddled with a bunch of other settings
[08:20] <bryan> you need the umask
[08:20] <DuplexEmotions> been running through google trying to get the right settings
[08:20] <steve_> what
[08:20] <DuplexEmotions> I've tried with that umask
[08:20] <DuplexEmotions> no dice
[08:20] <bryan> it's read only
[08:20] <bryan> you can't write/delete
[08:21] <bryan> only read
[08:21] <topyli> steve_: join #flood and you'll see what i'm pasting there
[08:21] <steve_> topyli sorry, but where is #flood
[08:21] <DuplexEmotions> that's all I want to do
[08:21] <DuplexEmotions> but I have no access permission outside of root
[08:21] <topyli> steve_: just type /join #flood
[08:22] <steve_> cool
[08:22] <thoreauputic> steve_:  type  /join #flood
[08:22] <thoreauputic> oops sorry
[08:22] <bryan> user,umask=0222 0 0 should solve it
[08:22] <thoreauputic> slow as always...
[08:22] <DuplexEmotions> after editing /etc/fstab and using mount -a, is there anything else I have to do to refresh it?
[08:22] <DuplexEmotions> it's not working, bryan. I've tried it probably five times now
[08:23] <DuplexEmotions> /dev/hdd1       /mnt/MediaDrive ntfs    user,umask=0222 0       0
[08:23] <quarupt> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/language-pack-en-base_20050308_all.deb:  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/locale-langpack/en_CA/LC_MESSAGES/gnome-panel-2.0.mo', which is also in package language-pack-en
[08:23] <quarupt> wtf
[08:24] <steve_> topyli, you are back
[08:24] <bryan> what does it say for /dev/hdd1 when you just do a 'mount'
[08:24] <iverson444433> can someone help me please
[08:24] <topyli> sorry steve_, i was disconnected abruptly
[08:24] <iverson444433> i have a problem addind a fax printer
[08:24] <steve_> oka
[08:25] <steve_> topyli, can you paste the rest
[08:25] <dazed> how do i get a tracker for my xine player?? so i can control the position of my movies?
[08:25] <topyli> steve_: i'll try again
[08:25] <DuplexEmotions> /dev/hdd1 on /mnt/MediaDrive type ntfs (rw)
[08:25] <steve_> cool
[08:25] <rattboi> hey guys
[08:25] <iverson444433> i am using pyla as fax client
[08:25] <rattboi> I got my dual boot config going
[08:25] <rattboi> and I installed XP second
[08:26] <rattboi> had to use a live cd to reinstall grub though
[08:26] <DuplexEmotions> what's odd is I have the same code in /etc/fstab, but "/dev/hdc1 on /mnt/WindowsPart type ntfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)" in mount for my other NTFS
[08:26] <thoreauputic> DuplexEmotions: that shouldn't say  rw (ntfs is only supported "read only")
[08:27] <bryan> yeah, should be like: (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,umask=0222)
[08:27] <topyli> steve_: i don't know what's wrong, but gaim is not working well. i need a real irc client. :) anyway, i'll put the file on the web and tell you a link
[08:27] <DuplexEmotions> I don't understand how to fix it, though
[08:27] <steve_> cool
[08:27] <dazed> thoreauputic: u think u can help me figure out how to get onto a folder on my linux system from my windows system?
[08:27] <DuplexEmotions> it's really starting to piss me off. I needs my music, though with my luck it'll turn out I have to fix the audio drivers after this
[08:28] <DuplexEmotions> it's a fresh install of Ubuntu
[08:28] <thoreauputic> DuplexEmotions: my ntfs partition "works" - I can show you the line, for what it's worth
[08:28] <DuplexEmotions> thoreauputic, I don't doubt you. I just don't know why mine isn't.
[08:28] <iverson444433> who knows python
[08:28] <iverson444433> please
[08:28] <topyli> steve_: http://siltala.net/sources.list
[08:28] <thoreauputic> DuplexEmotions: OK this is the line
[08:28] <thoreauputic> /dev/hda1       /mnt/winXP      ntfs    noauto,users,exec,ro,uid=peter,gid=peter
[08:28] <thoreauputic>  0 0
[08:29] <topyli> steve_: be careful. not all in that is very stable ;)
[08:29] <thoreauputic> DuplexEmotions: my user name is peter, obviously ;)
[08:29] <steve_> okay
[08:29] <DuplexEmotions> let me try that, only using my user name
[08:30] <thoreauputic> DuplexEmotions: numbers work too ( here it would be uid=1000 gid=1000
[08:31] <DuplexEmotions> I'm still getting "permission denied"
[08:32] <DuplexEmotions> unless I"m root
[08:32] <DuplexEmotions> in which case it works fine
[08:32] <topyli> steve_: ok, now my web server is down. :) should i mail the file to you?
[08:32] <steve_> that is fine
[08:32] <thoreauputic> DuplexEmotions: hmm - what are the permissions on your mount points? ls -l /media/mountpoint for instance
[08:33] <iverson444433> can someone help me setting a fax printer please ???
[08:33] <crimsun> DuplexEmotions: are you passing umask=002 ?
[08:33] <Coily> is there a quick way to disable/enable the screensaver (and its power management) for when i want to watch videos, etc?
[08:34] <crimsun> Coily: mplayer does that automatically
[08:34] <DuplexEmotions> crimsun: not right now, tried it earlier
[08:34] <Coily> crimsun, problem is i use xine
[08:34] <topyli> steve_: answer my /query so you can give me an address
[08:34] <DuplexEmotions> thoreauputic, give me a second and I'll try to figure it out
[08:34] <steve_> sorry
[08:35] <thoreauputic> DuplexEmotions: might be easier to look at properties in nautilus
[08:35] <DuplexEmotions> -r--------
[08:35] <crimsun> Coily: xset dpms off
[08:35] <DuplexEmotions> if that's what you were looking for
[08:35] <crimsun> Coily: and its "on" counterpart afterward
[08:35] <DuplexEmotions> I don't know if nautiulus is on here
[08:35] <thoreauputic> DuplexEmotions: whoa!
[08:35] <Coily> crimsun, excellent, thank you
[08:36] <DuplexEmotions> it's a baby's butt fresh install, and I'm still ironing it out
[08:36] <DuplexEmotions> I take it that's a bad "whoa!"
[08:36] <thoreauputic> DuplexEmotions: it should be like  rwxr-xr-x
[08:36] <thoreauputic> or 755 in numbers
[08:36] <DuplexEmotions> if the numbers are the number next to it, mine says 2
[08:37] <_4`aw> go taff ...
[08:37] <DuplexEmotions> so, any ideas on how to fix this?
[08:38] <thoreauputic> DuplexEmotions: no, the numbers are 4=read 2=write 1=execute  hence 7 is read, write, execute permissions
[08:38] <thoreauputic> 777 means full rights for everyone
[08:38] <DuplexEmotions> I see
[08:39] <thoreauputic> 755 = full for root, read and execute for others 9or read and access for directories)
[08:39] <DuplexEmotions> I just need read for everyone
[08:39] <thoreauputic> the 9 is a typo for (  sorry
[08:40] <thoreauputic> DuplexEmotions: no, you also need access, which is like "execute"
[08:40] <thoreauputic> DuplexEmotions: hence 755
[08:40] <DuplexEmotions> ah
[08:40] <DuplexEmotions> okay
[08:40] <DuplexEmotions> any ideas what I can do then?
[08:41] <thoreauputic> sudo chmod 755 directoryname
[08:41] <thoreauputic> in theory
[08:42] <DuplexEmotions> it did absolutely nothing
[08:42] <DuplexEmotions> chmod: changing permissions of `/mnt/WindowsPart': Read-only file system
[08:42] <thoreauputic> DuplexEmotions: meaning it went to the next line without complaining?
[08:43] <DuplexEmotions> that's what it spat back
[08:43] <thoreauputic> ah I see
[08:44] <thoreauputic> I don't understand why so many people are having this issue with Ubuntu - most distros seem to handle it :/
[08:44] <DuplexEmotions> on the plus side, I realize my sound must be working because I keep hearing IMs
[08:44] <thoreauputic> hehe
[08:44] <thoreauputic> well, that's a plus I guess
[08:45] <DuplexEmotions> yeah, I just wish I could access my music on my MediaDrive
[08:45] <thoreauputic> try my fstab line but adding umask=002
[08:45] <DuplexEmotions> okay
[08:45] <missmarple> good morning
[08:46] <DuplexEmotions> still not working
[08:46] <thoreauputic> missmarple: good morning - hope you are as sharp as your namesake today ;-)
[08:46] <thoreauputic> DuplexEmotions: well, I'm running out of ideas, I'm afraid
[08:46] <DuplexEmotions> me too
[08:47] <quarupt> shouldnt all users have perms to write to /opt/  ?
[08:47] <DuplexEmotions> I'm tempted to recompile the kernel, but I'm really not sure how to go about that :-P
[08:47] <dazed> does anyone know how to log into a linux computer via network on a windows computer
[08:47] <missmarple> thoreauputic: sure :-D
[08:47] <DuplexEmotions> dazed there's a program to do that, I think it's called putty
[08:48] <missmarple> i have a problem here with hotplugging and acpi - can anyone help me ?
[08:48] <thoreauputic> quarupt: /opt is 755 here (read only for users)
[08:48] <dazed> duplexemotions: putty for windows?
[08:48] <DuplexEmotions> dazed: yep
[08:49] <thoreauputic> quarupt: only root can put programs in opt or /usr/local
[08:49] <thoreauputic> quarupt: sorry, read /execute for users, of course
[08:49] <DuplexEmotions> a friend of mine who is now too tired to help me said "sound slike its not reading your fstab when u are a normal user"
[08:50] <thoreauputic> hmm
[08:50] <thoreauputic> DuplexEmotions: what does  ls -l /etc/fstab say?
[08:50] <DuplexEmotions> to double check that I'm testing this write, Ihave a root terminal open and a regular terminal. I then edit in root and try to open in the non-root
[08:51] <thoreauputic> oops
[08:51] <missmarple> anyone?
[08:51] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[08:51] <DuplexEmotions> -rw-r--r--
[08:51] <da_bon_bon> just installed xcompmgr
[08:51] <thoreauputic> DuplexEmotions: what's the output of  ls -l /etc/fstab  ?
[08:51] <thoreauputic> sorry
[08:51] <da_bon_bon> the problem is, now the  windows cover the panel! what do i do ?
[08:51] <thoreauputic> just saw it - looks normal
[08:51] <DuplexEmotions> thoreauputic, -rw-r--r--    1 root     root          633 2005-03-10 01:45 /etc/fstab
[08:52] <thoreauputic> yup
[08:52] <DuplexEmotions> that's good,  I guess
[08:52] <thoreauputic> yes, at least it's normal :)
[08:53] <DuplexEmotions> grr, I've been working on this thing since I put on Wishmaster, and I just noticed that it ended like a half hour ago
[08:53] <thoreauputic> missmarple: I suggest you give a more detailed description of the problem :)
[08:54] <da_bon_bon> anyone here uses xcompmgr ?
[08:54] <membreya> does anyone know if there's a windows version of crack-attack?
[08:54] <missmarple> thoreauputic: well it's gonna be a longer text maybe - but ok ;-)
[08:54] <DuplexEmotions> also, it's a little annoying that my back-forward buttons on my MX700 aren't working like I want
[08:54] <DuplexEmotions> but I can fix that laster
[08:54] <membreya> my girlfriend wants me to install linux JUST so she can play that game
[08:54] <thoreauputic> missmarple: a bit at a time
[08:54] <Myrtti> membreya: give her a live cd
[08:55] <membreya> Myrtti: will the live CD have crack attack ? :P
[08:55] <missmarple> my problem: i have hoary on my notbook - when it runs on batteries everything wents fine, but when it runs with power plug, hotplug cannot load the firmware for my wifi card - and i don't know why
[08:56] <da_bon_bon> DuplexEmotions: which game ?
[08:56] <Myrtti> membreya: have no idea
[08:56] <DuplexEmotions> game?
[08:56] <membreya> and you can't apt-get install from a live cd can you ? :P
[08:56] <DuplexEmotions> This is no game, kind sir!
[08:56] <DuplexEmotions> also, I want to figure out how to switch from gnome to KDE. Linux makes my brain hurt, I know Windows too well
[08:57] <da_bon_bon> DuplexEmotions: oh sorry, that q. was for membreya
[08:57] <thoreauputic> DuplexEmotions: heh - one thing at a time, I suggest :)
[08:57] <NobleArc> Linux makes my heart sing! :D
[08:57] <da_bon_bon> membreya: which game ? frozen-buble ?
[08:57] <membreya> da_bon_bon: crack-attack
[08:58] <membreya> she has frozen-bubble on her windows
[08:58] <DuplexEmotions> thoreauputic: That lacks the horrific pain of jumping right in
[08:58] <membreya> found it :D
[08:58] <da_bon_bon> membreya: ok. lemme have a lookey
[08:58] <thoreauputic> DuplexEmotions: heheh
[08:58] <DuplexEmotions> "I have a few hours to spare, I'll resize my WinXP partition and dual boot linux! It'll be fun!"
[08:58] <DuplexEmotions> 13 hours later....
[08:58] <da_bon_bon> hey, anyone updated hoary today, notice the artwork updated? what does that do ?
[08:59] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: new theme ( clearlooks) and background, I hear
[08:59] <membreya> da_bon_bon: http://aluminumangel.org/attack/dl_ii_windows.html :)
[08:59] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: ROCKING! but i already use clearlooks :)
[08:59] <DuplexEmotions> I'm going to reboot and hope this thing fixes itself when it tries to mount on boot
[09:00] <da_bon_bon> membreya: thats a linux game, huh ?
[09:00] <DuplexEmotions> because I honestly don't know what else to try.
[09:00] <membreya> da_bon_bon: you can install it in linux :)
[09:00] <membreya> sudo apt-get install crack-attack
[09:00] <da_bon_bon> membreya: is it in the repos ?
[09:00] <da_bon_bon> oh ok
[09:00] <thoreauputic> DuplexEmotions: well, good luck - linux doesn't usually do that
[09:00] <DuplexEmotions> I can hope
[09:00] <thoreauputic> but you never know...
[09:00] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: but u need to use the default human theme for that, huh ?
[09:00] <DuplexEmotions> and also sacrifice my roommate to Ares
[09:00] <DuplexEmotions> brb, barring horrific pain.
[09:01] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: don't know
[09:01] <missmarple> mhh i guess i gonna ask the mailing list
[09:01] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: ok.
[09:02] <thoreauputic> missmarple: probably a good idea, since no-one seems to know the answer to your mystery
[09:02] <missmarple> yeah
[09:02] <da_bon_bon> membreya: u played frozen-bubble ? thats one rocking game too!
[09:02] <membreya> yup...get's a bit tedious though :)
[09:02] <neom> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/image.php?u=1194&dateline=1110440190 Anyone know if this logo is anything spesific, or just.. an ubuntu logo?
[09:04] <thoreauputic> neom: people joining hands/arms ?
[09:04] <thoreauputic> neom: that's the idea, I think
[09:04] <neom> No no no.
[09:04] <neom> I mean..
[09:04] <neom> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/image.php?u=10089&dateline=1110418133
[09:04] <neom> That's the kubuntu logo.
[09:05] <DuplexEmotions> guess what suddenly decided to start working?
[09:05] <neom> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/image.php?u=1194&dateline=1110440190 Is this gubuntu, or just a random ubuntu logo?
[09:06] <thoreauputic> DuplexEmotions: you're kidding?
[09:06] <NobleArc> ...
[09:06] <NobleArc> gubuntu?
[09:06] <NobleArc> o_O!?
[09:07] <thoreauputic> neom: are you as confused as I am?
[09:07] <DuplexEmotions> nope
[09:07] <DuplexEmotions> I made it work with my mad rebooting skills
[09:07] <thoreauputic> DuplexEmotions: so fstab is OK and mount works?
[09:07] <DuplexEmotions> I blame the fact that my power button is a 5 1/4" floppy drive
[09:07] <NobleArc> r38007|n', y0'!
[09:07] <neom> Well, I'm wondering if ubuntu is going to split into two very distinct groups.
[09:08] <DuplexEmotions> thoreauputic: I can access my files without root access
[09:08] <neom> the gnome people (gubuntu?) and the kde people kubuntu.
[09:08] <thoreauputic> yay!
[09:08] <FAST> i cant install the gftp packages :(
[09:08] <thoreauputic> neom: err... I think this is all being done with full cooperation
[09:08] <DuplexEmotions> now I just need some sort of FTP program
[09:09] <neom> lukemftp
[09:09] <DuplexEmotions> damn it, my brain is dead
[09:09] <DuplexEmotions> MP3
[09:09] <neom> oh
[09:09] <neom> heh
[09:09] <thoreauputic> DuplexEmotions: you know that nautilus can do basic ftp?
[09:09] <neom> xmms
[09:09] <da_bon_bon> NobleArc: whats gubuntu ?
[09:09] <DuplexEmotions> damn you, Acronious, god of acronyms!
[09:09] <thoreauputic> DuplexEmotions: hahaha
[09:09] <NobleArc> *points to neom*
[09:09] <DuplexEmotions> the problem isn't finding it so much as figuring out how to make it work
[09:09] <da_bon_bon> neom: whats gubuntu ?
[09:09] <thoreauputic> DuplexEmotions: install gstreamer0.8-mad
[09:10] <neom> That's a good question, and I intend to find out!
[09:10] <DuplexEmotions> huh?
[09:10] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: a figment of neom's imagination, I fear
[09:10] <neom> prolly
[09:10] <neom> Hope so.
[09:10] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: ah, ok :)
[09:11] <DuplexEmotions> I try to wrap my head around the words you say, thoreauputic, but it as if I am trying to stretch my head with a taffy puller only my head is made of something harder than taffy
[09:11] <DuplexEmotions> like bone or PEZ or some such
[09:11] <thoreauputic> DuplexEmotions: you have the universe repository?
[09:11] <thoreauputic> DuplexEmotions: heh - I understand, sorry
[09:11] <DuplexEmotions> You mean the Hitchhiker's Guide?
[09:11] <DuplexEmotions> I'm utterly lost and confused
[09:11] <DuplexEmotions> so I'm guessing maybe
[09:11] <thoreauputic> DuplexEmotions: that package should help with mp3
[09:12] <NobleArc> o_O
[09:12] <DuplexEmotions> how do I install it now?
[09:12] <thoreauputic> DuplexEmotions: go to the package manager (synaptic) ( computer >> system config >> synaptic )
[09:13] <DuplexEmotions> It's the newness of Linux (which I only use on rare occasions and usually on a live CD) coupled with the whole using gnome instead of KDE thing
[09:13] <thoreauputic> DuplexEmotions: yeah, i get it
[09:13] <DuplexEmotions> oooh!
[09:13] <freewoody> This Gnome-vfs is driving me nuts
[09:13] <thoreauputic> DuplexEmotions: found it?
[09:13] <DuplexEmotions> this package manager looks like neatness in a can
[09:13] <freewoody> Can't somebody help me fix it up
[09:13] <DuplexEmotions> and by can I mean program
[09:14] <DuplexEmotions> i found xmms
[09:14] <DuplexEmotions> but not the other thing.
[09:14] <thoreauputic> DuplexEmotions: now go to settings >> repositories and check all options
[09:14] <DuplexEmotions> ah
[09:14] <thoreauputic> you should see "universe"
[09:14] <GammaRay> golf may be boring but atleast it has gay sex
[09:14] <GammaRay> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/050306/483/fljc11203062336&e=1
[09:14] <thoreauputic> check/tick the box
[09:15] <thoreauputic> and all the others, I suggest
[09:15] <DuplexEmotions> no "universe"
[09:15] <thoreauputic> grrr
[09:15] <DuplexEmotions> i found that gstreamer thing, btw. just not the -mad edition
[09:16] <da_bon_bon> hey whats better - 2.6.10 or 2.6.11 ?
[09:16] <thoreauputic> DuplexEmotions: no, highlight the entries in the place I pointed you to to see the text
[09:16] <freewoody> Can somebody give me some clues about Samba
[09:16] <thoreauputic> in the fields beneath
[09:16] <DuplexEmotions> I can see the text on each item
[09:17] <thoreauputic> OK you should see the "universe" entries
[09:17] <thoreauputic> tick all of the boxes
[09:17] <danny_> hi
[09:17] <DuplexEmotions> I still can't find "universe"
[09:18] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: right. human theme now uses clearlooks
[09:18] <Fator_Dee> just tick 'em dammit :-)
[09:18] <danny_> there is a problem updating language pack-de over the update manager
[09:18] <thoreauputic> DuplexEmotions: *sigh* TICK the boxes
[09:18] <thoreauputic> ALL of them
[09:18] <DuplexEmotions> you mean all 7 or 8 dozen boxes?
[09:18] <thoreauputic> :)
[09:18] <thoreauputic> ?
[09:19] <DuplexEmotions> sorry if I sound like a dumbass here
[09:19] <DuplexEmotions> I'm in the package manager
[09:19] <thoreauputic> DuplexEmotions: lets do this another way - can I pm you?
[09:19] <DuplexEmotions> under Sections I have it set to ALL
[09:19] <missmarple> danny: what kind of problem
[09:19] <DuplexEmotions> yep
[09:19] <DuplexEmotions> go ahead
[09:19] <DuplexEmotions> i shall await your PM with baited breath.
[09:21] <Zotnix> aalib is so awesome
[09:22] <membreya> hmmm that clear theme is not too "clear" :\
[09:24] <saxa> hi ppl :) good morning !!
[09:24] <missmarple> hi saxa
[09:24] <saxa> congrats for the gnome-livecd !!!
[09:24] <saxa> it works amazingly well
[09:24] <da_bon_bon> saxa: so do many other live cds.
[09:24] <da_bon_bon> :)
[09:25] <da_bon_bon> saxa: try install cd
[09:25] <missmarple> :-D
[09:27] <saxa> hehe ppl I'm slackware from ever :))
[09:27] <saxa> sorry
[09:27] <danny666> hi i am having problems with the language pack de update i can't install it
[09:27] <da_bon_bon> saxa: that explains it!
[09:27] <saxa> but I really liked your hardware detection
[09:27] <saxa> da_bon_bon: heheheheh I know
[09:27] <T_Trainer> I think it's 'forever', not 'from ever' :)
[09:27] <da_bon_bon> saxa: but slackware rocks! i love it too
[09:28] <saxa> T_Trainer: can it be :))
[09:28] <saxa> anyway
[09:28] <saxa> I have a question about my scanner
[09:28] <saxa> I was really pleasantly surprised when I saw it works with ubuntu
[09:29] <saxa> I have a HP ScanJet 3300 C
[09:29] <saxa> which driver do you use ??
[09:29] <saxa> or it is supported by default in xsane ?
[09:30] <da_bon_bon> ok, bye all.
[09:30] <da_bon_bon> need to go study :'(
[09:32] <bryan> key command to switch between desktop 1-4?
[09:33] <shock> look in preferences ;)
[09:33] <Fator_Dee> ctrl+alt+arrowsleft&right ?
[09:33] <shock> yeah
[09:33] <shock> think the default is something like that
[09:33] <bryan> was thinking it had a <tab> in there somewhere
[09:33] <shock> (not using default though)
[09:33] <Fator_Dee> though I use ctrl+alt+z&x
[09:33] <shock> erm... no - that was window-switching (alt-tab) ?
[09:34] <bryan> yeah
[09:34] <shock> configurable to everyones liking
[09:34] <shock> =)
[09:34] <bryan> and ctrl+alt+tab switches between desktop/top panel/bottom panel
[09:35] <bryan> i love the 4 desktop setup, i can keep gaim/xchat on one, limewire/bittorrent on another
[09:35] <shock> YES! they allready included the new gnome-menu !
[09:35] <shock> (main menu!)
[09:36] <bryan> 4 consoles on one, and firefox in the other
[09:36] <shock> no need for the applications.... bla stuff
[09:36] <shock> i have 6 desktops right now
[09:36] <Fator_Dee> bryan: yep, it rocks, although sometimes 4 desktops just ain't enuf :-D
[09:36] <NobleArc> Sounds perfect, bryan.
[09:37] <shock> chat on one (irssi/gaim), browser, consoles, mail, stuff(devel),amule
[09:37] <shock> ;)
[09:37] <bryan> shock, is the gnome menu like windows start menu?
[09:37] <shock> ermmm *cough*
[09:38] <shock> roughly, yes
[09:38] <shock> its ... okok... allright! its like that start menu
[09:38] <shock> :P
[09:38] <bryan> hard to be original these days
[09:39] <shock> hrhr... indeed... even though i think the "start menu" was not invented by ms ;)
[09:39] <Fator_Dee> what was invented by ms :-|
[09:39] <NobleArc> lol.
[09:39] <Fator_Dee> but let's not start a flame war
[09:39] <shock> but anyways... there are two versions of this gnome-menu now: menu-bar and main-menu....
[09:40] <shock> and finally they fixed the main-menu
[09:40] <shock> :D
[09:40] <shock> *luvesubuntuguys*
[09:40] <bryan> i want the warty cursors in hoary
[09:41] <bryan> hoary defaults suck
[09:41] <quarupt> i installed realplayer, but still wont play real player stuff in firefox, is there something else i need to install?
[09:41] <Alessio> help meeee
[09:41] <shock> < bryan> i want the warty cursors in hoary --- look in the ubuntu forum - i think there are several howtos
[09:41] <shock> ;)
[09:41] <NobleArc> RealPlayer wont even work for me, quarupt.
[09:41] <quarupt> i had it working before i switched to AMD64
[09:41] <shock> its basically just getting the cursor theme and putting it into the right place
[09:41] <NobleArc> ooh, AMD64.
[09:42] <shock> (icon theme)
[09:42] <quarupt> i remebr there was another package i needed to install
[09:42] <quarupt> man i wish i could remember
[09:42] <Fator_Dee> quarupt: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=18443 I followed this howto, don't know though if it'll help you :-\
[09:45] <Alessio> this morning my thesis in sxw
[09:45] <Alessio> is empty!!!
[09:45] <Alessio> can you help me??
[09:45] <Alessio> yesterday night i have make a dist-upgrade
[09:45] <Alessio> what's changing??
[09:45] <quarupt> thats for warty, theres some kinda multimedia package i need to install
[09:46] <Alessio> problem to file system?
[09:46] <Alessio> what do you think?
[09:46] <maikrohvt> Hi, i am having problems booting ubuntu..: Loading /install/vmlinuz ...isolinux: Disk error 32, AX=4280, drive 9F
[09:47] <scizzo> good morning people
[09:47] <maikrohvt> any ideas ?..
[09:47] <Meq> mornin
[09:47] <NobleArc> o_o
[09:47] <scizzo> Alessio: I don't understand your problem really
[09:47] <Meq> if id like to get an uptodate ubuntu desktop, array 6 is the way to go??
[09:47] <Alessio> my thesis.sxw
[09:48] <Alessio> this morning is empty!!
[09:48] <scizzo> yea? and???
[09:48] <maikrohvt> ...
[09:48] <Alessio> i don't know why
[09:48] <Sionide> just like this empty cup of coffee.. :(
[09:48] <saxa> see ya
[09:48] <scizzo> Sionide: good idea...coffee sounds nice
[09:48] <Alessio> 100 page of of thesis
[09:48] <Sionide> yeah brb..
[09:48] <Sionide> ;)
[09:48] <Alessio> i ahev saved it yesterday night
[09:49] <scizzo> Alessio: using what application?
[09:49] <maikrohvt> Hi, i am having problems booting ubuntu..: Loading /install/vmlinuz ...isolinux: Disk error 32, AX=4280, drive 9F
[09:49] <membreya> Alessio: what's the file size?
[09:49] <scizzo> Alessio: openoffice2 or something?
[09:49] <Alessio> 1.1.3
[09:49] <Alessio> befor 4-5 MB
[09:49] <Alessio> today 740459
[09:50] <Alessio> :((
[09:50] <Alessio> 1 page empty
[09:50] <Alessio> how can i find last modified? in log there isnt' anything
[09:50] <Alessio> utility about resierfs?? for recover??
[09:51] <Alessio> do you know anything??
[09:51] <mdz> Meq: the latest daily build is best
[09:51] <Alessio> yesterday ia have make a dist-upgrade
[09:51] <Jerry> Greetings
[09:51] <mdz> maikrohvt: if you're using a CD-R, try burning at a lower speed
[09:53] <scizzo> Alessio: I have never had this problem before with openoffice
[09:53] <Meq> mdz, ok thanks
[09:53] <scizzo> Alessio: could it be that you saved it with a different name?
[09:53] <NobleArc> Warty is an older version of Ubuntu, so it doesn't have the most recent packages, Jerry.
[09:53] <mdz> NobleArc: Warty has firefox 0.9.3, though
[09:53] <Jerry> okay, that i understand, but why can i update the software then?
[09:53] <scizzo> ummm...
[09:53] <Jerry> @ noblearch
[09:53] <Alessio> no..
[09:53] <scizzo> Jerry: look at the backports
[09:54] <mdz> Jerry: perhaps you need to enable the network repositories; it sounds like you installed from an older snapshot
[09:54] <Jerry> what backport?
[09:54] <NobleArc> ...
[09:54] <NobleArc> that was odd.
[09:54] <Alessio> scizzo how can find any file save or modified in the last 12 hour?
[09:54] <Jerry> i installed using the orriginal Ubuntu disk, ordered on Ubuntu.com
[09:54] <scizzo> Jerry: http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[09:55] <scizzo> Alessio: hmmm...using find that would be easy enough
[09:55] <Jerry> I am now using Gentoo, because i could not get hold of new software releases in Ubuntu :(
[09:55] <mdz> Jerry: if so, you do not have firefox 0.8
[09:55] <Alessio> uhm
[09:55] <Jerry> tnx scizzo
[09:55] <Alessio> what options of find?
[09:55] <Jerry> i did have firefox 0.8 in Ubuntu
[09:55] <NobleArc> 0.8.3 :P
[09:55] <mdz> Jerry: the official Ubuntu 4.10 discs do not contain firefox 0.8
[09:56] <Jerry> lol wiseguy
[09:56] <scizzo> NobleArc: and no....warty is not that old...it is updated...but if you want to see more updates use the backports
[09:56] <NobleArc> I use hoary, now, heh.
[09:56] <Alessio> scizzo what can find? for last hours..
[09:56] <mdz> there was never a firefox 0.8.3
[09:56] <mdz> Ubuntu 4.10 released with firefox 0.9.3
[09:56] <Jerry> does Hoary contain the latest software?
[09:57] <scizzo> mdz: firefox 1.0 is in the backports
[09:57] <GNAM> where is my firefox bookmarks file ?
[09:57] <Jerry> and why can i ubdat ubuntu NOT using this backport :(
[09:57] <mdz> scizzo: I know, but I do not recommend using the backports
[09:57] <scizzo> GNAM: in your .mozilla/ somewhere
[09:57] <Jerry> scizzo, can you axplain me the backport thing?
[09:57] <scizzo> mdz: well if you want to test then the backports are fine...I use them a lot
[09:57] <mdz> Jerry: if you want to run the development release, where new software is dropped regularly, it's called "hoary" and you can find documentation in the wiki on how to use it
[09:58] <Jerry> tnx mdz
[09:58] <mdz> though it's in stabilization mode right now as we're preparing to release
[09:58] <GNAM> ok found bookmarks.html
[09:58] <scizzo> Jerry: you can also get some software from hoary and still use warty normally
[09:58] <scizzo> Jerry: you can do this with preferences against apt-get
[09:58] <scizzo> how well synaptics work with that I am not sure...
[09:58] <shock_> oh :( ... /me is sad about bitlbee now.
[09:59] <Jerry> it was a major set back, for me finding out i could not just get the software updates i wanted, so i installed Gentoo now. With Gnome ofcourse, Tnx to Ubuntu i really started to like Gnome
[09:59] <topyli> i'm dying to upgrade one of my boxen to hoary. will it break?
[09:59] <shock_> i had hoped it would replace my gaim... now i see i'd need to transfer my contactlist manually (214 accounts)
[09:59] <NobleArc> I just upgraded to hoary, and everything is fine.
[09:59] <Jerry> i was really =enthausiastic about synnaptic :D pitty Gentoo does not use something like this
[10:00] <Alessio> help me i'm in  shit sea
[10:00] <Alessio> :(
[10:01] <scizzo> Alessio: find /home/username -ctime 1 "*.sxw"
[10:01] <scizzo> Alessio: or something like that
[10:01] <Jerry> Scizzo, i ordered the new Ubuntu cd in the shop ;) so maybe later on i will try ubuntu again. It worked great, only i didn understand shit of apt-get. In gentoo o know my way arround :( sorry ;). But Ubuntu is indeed great :D
[10:01] <rosco> hi
[10:01] <rosco> I'm about to download ubuntu. Is the normal iso already "french" friendly ?
[10:02] <Sionide> yeah
[10:02] <scizzo> Jerry: you can tell apt-get to say...."Get upgrades and so on from this release first....but install software from this release if it does not exists in the other one..."
[10:02] <scizzo> Jerry: well..sort of
[10:02] <Sionide> you just select French when it asks
[10:02] <scizzo> Jerry: you set priorities
[10:02] <quarupt> Man, i need a way to play real video but im on AMD64\
[10:02] <Sionide> i think, im not exactly the expert.. :P
[10:02] <Jerry> I do set priorities ofcourse :)
[10:03] <Alessio> scizzo, the bask says: the paths must be before expression
[10:03] <Mithsir> Hello! My "End"-Key doesn't work, what can I do? (German Keyboard)
[10:03] <Alessio> *bash
[10:03] <gjoemmie> Hi there, I'm completely new to Ubuntu/Linux and I installed it to my laptop, but now I can't access my windows and I need those files, I read something about a dual boot, but I don't understand how to do it (I speak dutch btw, if that's easier for you) Please help me
[10:04] <Alessio> what??
[10:05] <gjoemmie> Hi there, I'm completely new to Ubuntu/Linux and I installed it to my laptop, but now I can't access my windows and I need those files, I read something about a dual boot, but I don't understand how to do it (I speak dutch btw, if that's easier for you) Please help me
[10:05] <scizzo> Alessio: find /home/username -ctime 1 -name "*.sxw"
[10:06] <scizzo> Alessio: try that instead
[10:07] <Sionide> mmm coffee
[10:08] <gjoemmie> I installed UbuntuLinux, but when I reboot my computer, I don't get the option to choose for Windows or Linux (it automatically goes into Linux), how can I fix that?
[10:09] <Sionide> you need a boot manager such as Lilo
[10:09] <gjoemmie> and how do I get Lilo?
[10:09] <Sionide> http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LILO.html  <-- lilo.
[10:09] <neom> Is lilo in the package manager?
[10:10] <gjoemmie> I dunno, I don't even know what a package manager is...
[10:11] <quarupt> Anyone know how to get Real/Helix working on an AMD64 ?
[10:11] <Alessio> any tool
[10:11] <Alessio> for recover
[10:11] <Alessio> filesystem???
[10:12] <topyli> Alessio: please elaborate. how is the filesystem in trouble?
[10:12] <neom> gjoemmie - It's called synaptic, it's around the menus somewhere.
[10:12] <Sionide> neom, i reckon it should be
[10:12] <Alessio> reiserfs
[10:13] <Sionide> gjoemmie, it manages all the programs on your ubuntu install - keeps them all up to date
[10:13] <gjoemmie> can anyone explain in steps what I should do
[10:13] <gjoemmie> because I don't understand anything of Linux right now
[10:13] <topyli> Alessio: and what is the problem exactly?
[10:13] <Alessio> toffy, ia file .sxw with my thesis saved yestarday, today is empty!
[10:13] <quarupt> guess not
[10:13] <neom> I'd help you but I'm having a few issues right now and my synaptic is doing things so I can't open it.
[10:14] <Alessio> a few bytes ..
[10:14] <Mithsir> Hello! Openoffice says "no suitable windowing system found, exiting." What can I do?
[10:14] <Sionide> gjoemmie, i suggest you read this: http://ubuntuguide.org/
[10:14] <topyli> Alessio: i can't really help with reiserfs problems, just helping you to state the problem
[10:14] <Alessio> toffy, can you suggest any recovery tool? for find any error?
[10:14] <gjoemmie> Owkay tnx, probably I will not understand it either, but I'll try
[10:15] <Sionide> well
[10:15] <Sionide> it's the guide
[10:15] <topyli> Alessio: i always use ext3, don't know much about reiserfs
[10:15] <Sionide> it gives you step by step instructions on how to do *loads* of stuff
[10:15] <Sionide> there's other boot managers like grub
[10:16] <Sionide> look
[10:16] <Sionide> http://ubuntuguide.org/#addwindowsentrygrubmenu
[10:16] <Sionide> add windows entry to grub, thats what you want - do that!
[10:16] <quarupt> that sucks no realplay support for AMD64
[10:16] <gjoemmie> k tnx Sionide
[10:17] <topyli> Sionide: while ubuntuguile.org is very useful, it also discourages people from actually learning things. it just says "do this" and people won't learn what the hell they are doing
[10:18] <Sionide> true, in a way
[10:18] <Sionide> but they'll still learn from what they're doing... right?
[10:18] <gjoemmie> hmm Sionide, the first thing I should do is add a partition?
[10:18] <Sionide> yeah
[10:18] <woodwizzle> How do I import my gaim buddy list into evolution?
[10:20] <linuxboy> i see gnome 2.10 has been launched. What does this mean for ubuntu? When will we see it in ubuntu? what versions does warty and hoary have?
[10:20] <topyli> woodwizzle: IIRC, there's a plugin for that for gaim
[10:20] <thoreauputic> linuxboy: already in hoary
[10:21] <gjoemmie> Sionide, I don't get it how I should make partitions
[10:21] <quarupt> THERE has to be something for realplayer in AMD64
[10:21] <gjoemmie> I opened a Root Terminal
[10:21] <topyli> linuxboy: ubuntu always has the latest gnome. warty has 2.8, hoary will have (or has already) 2.10
[10:21] <linuxboy> thoreauputic: cool! whats in warty?
[10:21] <gjoemmie> Is that correct?
[10:21] <gjoemmie> but what should I type there then?
[10:21] <thoreauputic> linuxboy: same old 2.8 I guess :)
[10:22] <quarupt> Kde is also latest in Kubuntu
[10:22] <xamdm> gjoemmie: try installing qtparted, then jou have a gui
[10:22] <woodwizzle> topyli: I have that, but I think that just imports my evolution buddies into gaim, not the otherway around.
[10:22] <gjoemmie> XAMDM, I don't know how to install something and what a GUI? sorry bout all these stupid questions, but I dont know anything about this
[10:22] <topyli> woodwizzle: could be. i don't actually use it :(
[10:22] <Sionide> gjoemmie, im not entirely sure myself - i haven't got dual-boot on my ubuntu install, my comps pure-blood ;)
[10:23] <xamdm> ghoemmie: just type apt-get install qtparted
[10:24] <xamdm> gjoemmie: it looks a bit like partitionmagic
[10:24] <gjoemmie> it says: can't find package qtparted
[10:24] <xamdm> gjoemmie: warty ore hoary ?
[10:24] <gjoemmie> XAMDM, What?
[10:25] <xamdm> gjoemmie; which version of ubuntu (warty 4.10) ore hoary 5.??
[10:25] <gjoemmie> ah, uuhm I'll get the CD
[10:25] <quarupt> man AMD64 sux
[10:25] <thoreauputic> xamdm: he needs universe
[10:25] <quarupt> i want realplayer
[10:25] <xamdm> thoreauputic: jour right
[10:26] <gjoemmie> Version 4.10 (Intel x86 Edition)
[10:26] <xamdm> just wanted to know which ubuntu, so i can tell him the complete thing
[10:26] <thoreauputic> quarupt: will the 32 bit version not run?
[10:26] <xamdm> ok
[10:26] <shock_> i was wrong! BITLBEE ROX! :D - (sorry about the screaming)
[10:26] <quarupt> thoreauputic, no, i think having lib problems
[10:26] <xamdm> gjemmie:just a secand
[10:26] <cafuego> thoreauputic: That would run fine in a chroot.
[10:26] <topyli> "clearly it is the will of Allah that i throw this unix box out of the window. i submit to the will of Allah."
[10:26] <gjoemmie> xamdm: do as you like:-) I really appreciate your help
[10:27] <xamdm> gjoemmine: type gedit /etc/apt/sources.list in jour root-terminal
[10:27] <quarupt> thoreauputic, any deas?
[10:28] <xamdm> gjommie: search for # deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe in the window
[10:28] <thoreauputic> quarupt: not really, sorry
[10:28] <xamdm> gjoemmie: then remove the # at the beginning off that line and the next one
[10:29] <tga>   gnome: Depends: gnome-desktop-environment (= 62ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed
[10:29] <tga>   kde: Depends: kdeaddons but it is not going to be installed
[10:29] <tga> E: Broken packages
[10:29] <gjoemmie> xamdm: Remove the Space 2?
[10:29] <tga> howdy, any idea why hoary is so b0rked today?
[10:29] <xamdm> no, the "#"
[10:29] <xamdm> in both lines
[10:29] <gjoemmie> xamdm: K, I did that
[10:29] <quarupt> no sound for mp3's?
[10:29] <Gorth> tga: I have the same problem..
[10:30] <xamdm> gjoemmie: then save, then close the window run apt-get update, and then apt-get install qtparted
[10:30] <topyli> tga: thanks for the answer to my question "should i upgrade today?" =)
[10:31] <gjoemmie> xamdm, slower plz... sorry again
[10:31] <tga> topyli: the magic 8 ball says.. definitely not
[10:32] <xamdm> gjommie: so, jou saved the changes ??
[10:32] <topyli> tga: actually i was planning on upgrading this weekend. it might be ok then, or maybe not. we'll see
[10:32] <gjoemmie> xamdm: yes and I typed run apt-get update, It did something with percentages, picked up some packages and now it is done
[10:32] <topyli> tga: i just want gnome 2.10 that's all
[10:32] <tga> topyli: I wanted to give it a try too
[10:32] <xamdm> gjommine: ok than run apt-get install qtparted
[10:34] <quarupt> GRR AMD64 need more APPZ feels like im on a ppc arch or sumtin
[10:34] <gjoemmie> xamdm: Im trying to accept your invitation, but It doesnt connect...
[10:34] <xamdm> gjoemmie: now jou should be able to run qtparted
[10:34] <xamdm> gjoemmie: strange, maybe the firewall
[10:35] <quarupt> gjoemmie, you have a router?
[10:35] <xamdm> gjoemmie: sorry for my bad english, im german
[10:35] <xamdm> gjoemmie: jes a nother computer with debian and a ipcop as UML
[10:36] <gjoemmie> xamdm: I dont understand your last line
[10:36] <topyli> xamdm: don't apologise, your english is fine. the official language of the internet is bad engllish
[10:36] <gjoemmie> and how do I run qtparted?
[10:36] <xamdm> gjoemmie: just type qtparted in the root-terminal
[10:36] <gjoemmie> COMMAND NOT FOUND
[10:36] <tga> quarupt: isn't amd64 binary compatible with i386?
[10:37] <xamdm> gjoemmie: jou ran apt-get install qtparted ??
[10:37] <c_> hi there, does anyone know how i can i htmlize a man page?
[10:37] <gjoemmie> yeah, but there it says that some packages may not be completely installable
[10:37] <xamdm> gjoemmie: look in the startmenu under systemtools (dont't know the correct name in english)
[10:38] <xamdm> gjoemmie: which ones ??
[10:38] <Fator_Dee> applications -> system tools -> qtparted
[10:38] <xamdm> thx
[10:38] <gjoemmie> yeah, but there it says that some packages may not be completely installable
[10:38] <gjoemmie> oops sorry, Ill look it up again
[10:38] <xamdm> gjoemmine: ok
[10:39] <gjoemmie> libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.2.3-3)
[10:39] <gjoemmie> thats the one
[10:39] <Burgundavia> My google is now set to google.de anybody else got this?
[10:40] <xamdm> gjoemmie: maybe jou should ad the following lines to sources.list "deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports warty-backports main universe multiverse restricted" "deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports warty-extras main universe multiverse restricted"
[10:40] <gjoemmie> what??, where do I do that?
[10:40] <xamdm> gjoemmie: strange error
[10:40] <gjoemmie> sources.list, where is that?
[10:40] <xamdm> anyone else problems with the qt3-mt ??
[10:40] <xamdm> gjoemmie: just gedit /etc/apt/sources list :-)
[10:41] <topyli> Burgundavia: how is google "set" to anything? if you type http://google.com does it go to google.de?
[10:41] <gjoemmie> a new window pops up, but its completely blank
[10:41] <Burgundavia> topyli: sorry, in firefox
[10:41] <gjoemmie> one with sources and one with list in te tabtitle
[10:41] <xamdm> gjommie: sorry sources.list ;-)
[10:42] <topyli> Burgundavia: so does it go to google.de when you type google.com to the address space?
[10:42] <Burgundavia> topyli: no
[10:42] <gjoemmie> yup Im in
[10:42] <Burgundavia> topyli: it just looks on .de when I type something into the search bar in ff. Very odd
[10:42] <xamdm> ok, paste the two lines i posted above
[10:42] <gjoemmie> with "deb?
[10:43] <xamdm> yes
[10:43] <gjoemmie> and where should I place my cursor?
[10:43] <gjoemmie> top, bottom, anywhere, ...?
[10:43] <topyli> Burgundavia: i've never thought about it, but it does the same here, goes to google.fi :)
[10:43] <xamdm> gjoemmie; just a new line, like any other texteditor
[10:43] <xamdm> somewhere at the end of the file
[10:44] <gjoemmie> k I did it at the end
[10:44] <gjoemmie> save?
[10:44] <xamdm> ok
[10:44] <xamdm> save
[10:44] <xamdm> and apt-get update
[10:44] <Burgundavia> topyli: but I am not in germany
[10:44] <topyli> Burgundavia: well now it's getting strange
[10:44] <Burgundavia> topyli: I am in Canada, and yesterday it went to .co.uk and previously it went to .ca
[10:44] <xamdm> Burgundavia: are jou german ??
[10:45] <topyli> Burgundavia: well, now it's getting from strange to outright weird :)
[10:45] <xamdm> gjoemmie: does it work ??
[10:45] <gjoemmie> xamdm: CRAP, it says the 2 lines I added and then "is not know on line 20 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:46] <xamdm> do jou have email ??, then i can mail you my sources list
[10:47] <usernix> elo :D
[10:47] <gjoemmie> mistarpie@hotmail.com
[10:47] <zenrox> gjoemmie,  ermove the""
[10:47] <xamdm> gjoemmie: just trying with irc
[10:47] <Burgundavia> topyli: no, I am not localized to german either
[10:48] <Burgundavia> topyli: it is very odd
[10:48] <Burgundavia> there must be a something I accidentaly hit
[10:48] <topyli> Burgundavia: that's a bug in firefox, in my opinion. hard to fix, it probably checks some locale setting and makes a decision. personally, i don't want any localization unless everything is localized. it's too confusing to have some apps in finnish and some in englinsh, so i prefer to use US english everywhere
[10:48] <gjoemmie> should I accept sources.list?
[10:48] <gjoemmie> zenrox, what ""?
[10:48] <Burgundavia> too much "itelligent guesswork" on the part of the program
[10:48] <xamdm> gjoemmie: just send it via email
[10:48] <neom> Anyone know how to clear the apt cache?
[10:48] <topyli> Burgundavia: yeah
[10:49] <thoreauputic> neom: apt-get clean
[10:49] <zenrox> the qutotion marcks gjoemmie
[10:49] <thoreauputic> neom: wipes all the resident dbs
[10:49] <thoreauputic> *debs
[10:50] <gjoemmie> xamdm: I got your mail
[10:50] <gjoemmie> what to do with it?
[10:50] <gjoemmie> download it?
[10:51] <xamdm> gjommie, 1st: mv /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.org 2nd
[10:51] <xamdm> gjommie: then download it and tell me where jou saved it
[10:52] <xamdm> gjommie: ignore 2nd
[10:52] <gjoemmie> mv /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.org
[10:52] <gjoemmie> thats what I typed
[10:52] <xamdm> yes
[10:52] <xamdm> ok
[10:52] <gjoemmie> then it just goes to the next line in the root
[10:53] <xamdm> now download the newone and tell me where jou saved it
[10:53] <gjoemmie> doesnt do anything it seems
[10:53] <xamdm> gjommie: we anly renamed jour old sources.list
[10:53] <gjoemmie> it opens automatically, I dont get the box with "Save As"
[10:53] <gjoemmie> I get a new tab in Mozilla Firefox
[10:54] <gjoemmie> and there is the text (bout 20 lines) from sources.list
[10:54] <xamdm> gfommie: rightclick, save file as ??
[10:54] <gjoemmie> do u use hotmail?
[10:55] <gjoemmie> so I click on your attachement
[10:55] <xamdm> no, i don't use hotmail
[10:55] <gjoemmie> then it asks me: Download File or Donrt download
[10:55] <gjoemmie> should I right click on Download File?
[10:55] <xamdm> yes
[10:55] <gjoemmie> and save where to?
[10:56] <xamdm> /home/jourName
[10:56] <gjoemmie> k did that
[10:56] <xamdm> ok, now cp /home/yourName/sources.list /etc/apt
[10:57] <gjoemmie> cp? or are those just letters?
[10:57] <xamdm> cp = copy
[10:57] <sewagemaster> does anyone use kdvi here?
[10:57] <xamdm> its a command
[10:57] <InitMass> do i get worse sound quality when i use esound instead of alsa as output plugin in xmms?
[10:57] <xamdm> gjoemmie: mv fore example is move
[10:57] <gjoemmie> "unknown map"
[10:58] <thoreauputic> InitMass: your ears are the test
[10:58] <xamdm> ??
[10:58] <gjoemmie> say, is there the possibility of throwing Linux back from my computer?
[10:58] <gjoemmie> bcuz I gotta go soon, but need my computer
[10:58] <InitMass> thoreauputic, i mean theoretically
[10:58] <xamdm> gjoemmie: jes, but why ??
[10:59] <gjoemmie> bcuz I really need to access those files today
[10:59] <xamdm> gjommie, windows should be bootable
[10:59] <gjoemmie> Ill get back to Linux when I can
[10:59] <gjoemmie> yeah, BUT HOW
[10:59] <xamdm> gjoemmie: there should be a selection menu at startup
[10:59] <gjoemmie> say, Ill just throw Linux off now, use Windows for one day again
[10:59] <thoreauputic> InitMass: I don't think theory is relevant when judging sound, but whatever *grin*
[11:00] <gjoemmie> and then put it on again when I can
[11:00] <gjoemmie> so how do I remove Linux?
[11:00] <xamdm> gjoemmie, is windows still available on jour harddisk ??
[11:00] <InitMass> thoreauputic, what is esound by the way? is it some kind of emulation
[11:00] <gjoemmie> I dont know,where do I see that?
[11:01] <thoreauputic> InitMass: I know nothing of the theory, but it stands for "enlightened sound daemon" I believe
[11:01] <xamdm> gjoemmie: did jou format the whole disk at setup, ore did jou leave windows untuched ??
[11:01] <gjoemmie> I dont know... AH CRAP
[11:01] <xamdm> gjoemmie: gedit /etc/fstab so im able to see
[11:02] <gjoemmie> I just entered the disk
[11:02] <thoreauputic> InitMass: esd for short
[11:02] <Zanz> ok, are there any tricks to compiling ncurses?
[11:02] <gjoemmie> k, I typed it
[11:02] <gjoemmie> new window popped up
[11:03] <xamdm> gjommie, i know:-), what do we have ther something like hda1 ...
[11:03] <gjoemmie> /dev/hda1       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[11:04] <InitMass> thoreauputic, do you know how to avoid (don't know the english word) when i get this loud beeeeep when a mic is connected and the sound just goes round. strange description but i hope you understand what i mean
[11:04] <gjoemmie> and some other lines like that
[11:04] <xamdm> gjommie, just tell me the rest ..
[11:04] <xamdm> ore mail me the file
[11:04] <Zanz> feedback
[11:04] <gjoemmie> # /etc/fstab: static file system information.
[11:04] <gjoemmie> #
[11:04] <thoreauputic> InitMass: feedback maybe?
[11:04] <Zanz> move the mic away from teh speakers
[11:04] <xamdm> no, im eant hda2 ore hdb ...
[11:04] <gjoemmie> # <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
[11:05] <Zanz> or mute the mic input in the sound mixer
[11:05] <gjoemmie> /dev/hda1       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[11:05] <gjoemmie> /dev/hda5       none            swap    sw              0       0
[11:05] <gjoemmie> /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[11:05] <thoreauputic> InitMass: I think keeping the mike away from other electronics helps
[11:05] <xamdm> gjommie, nothing else ??
[11:05] <thoreauputic> InitMass: if I understood correctly
[11:06] <gjoemmie> nope thats it
[11:06] <gjoemmie> # /etc/fstab: static file system information.
[11:06] <gjoemmie> #
[11:06] <gjoemmie> # <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
[11:06] <gjoemmie> proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
[11:06] <gjoemmie> /dev/hda1       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[11:06] <gjoemmie> /dev/hda5       none            swap    sw              0       0
[11:06] <gjoemmie> /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[11:06] <gjoemmie> this is what is in the complete window
[11:06] <xamdm> gjommie, so jou formated the complete harddisk at setup
[11:06] <thoreauputic> bye bye windows
[11:06] <gjoemmie> nooooooooooooooooooooo
[11:06] <dizzie> :p
[11:07] <thoreauputic> 'fraid so
[11:07] <gjoemmie> say, I got a friend of mine with the same prob, he suggested something, Ill try that, Ill be back in 5 mins
[11:07] <gjoemmie> tnx for the help already
[11:07] <xamdm> gjommie: :-(, maybe its just not mounted, but it doesn't look like..
[11:07] <xamdm> looks bad ....
[11:07] <InitMass> Zanz, thoreauputic, ok now i've got my earplugs and can make a test with them more far away
[11:08] <thoreauputic> xamdm: judging by his general level of cluefulness, i think he just lost his windows totally
[11:08] <xamdm> just updating to hoary, should i expect any problems ??
[11:08] <Fator_Dee> well, sometimes shit just hits the fan
[11:08] <xamdm> thoreauputic: i think so two
[11:09] <gjoemmie> Nopes didnt work
[11:09] <InitMass> thoreauputic, no it didn't work to move them away. when i increase the volume a bit when i have the mic as far away as the cable goes i still get that beeeeeep
[11:09] <gjoemmie> so guys, I lost all my windows or what?
[11:09] <gjoemmie> how did I do that?
[11:09] <xamdm> gjoemmie: sorry, but seems like jou have to reinstrall winblows
[11:09] <gjoemmie> and I guess there is no solution then?
[11:10] <xamdm> gjommie: no
[11:10] <Fator_Dee> well, professionals might be able to save your data
[11:10] <gjoemmie> I dont even have a disk for windows
[11:10] <Fator_Dee> but that'll cost a LOT
[11:10] <gjoemmie> I never installed it
[11:10] <xamdm> gjommie: next time try the ubuntu live cd
[11:10] <gjoemmie> it just came with the laptop
[11:10] <xamdm> gommie: there should be a recovvery CD
[11:10] <gjoemmie> try the live cd now?
[11:10] <YokoZar> Ok, I just upgraded to Hoary and now X won't start - giving me a no screens error!
[11:10] <gjoemmie> ah k, so I put the cd in and then I can get back here?
[11:11] <xamdm> gjommie:  wont help jou anymore, just want kill jour whole harddisk ;-)
[11:11] <gjoemmie> dont understand that last line, sorry
[11:11] <gjoemmie> so I put the live CD in and then what?
[11:11] <xamdm> gjommie: there is no other solution you have to reinstall, ore fix ubuntu and forgett winblows
[11:12] <xamdm> gjommie: liveCD, is just something for testing, then nothing had been destroyed, its a ubuntu that runs from CD
[11:12] <YokoZar> GDM won't start on me because xorg is giving a "no screns found" fatal error, and I'm not sure where to go.  This is after a hoary upgrade.  hmm maybe I should go to devel channel
[11:12] <thoreauputic> gjoemmie: do you have backups of any of your data?
[11:12] <shock> YokoZar - you probably need to run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:12] <xamdm> gjoemmie: this info is just to late
[11:12] <gjoemmie> yeah I know, I did that, it worked, so I thought I just install it
[11:12] <gjoemmie> and I dont have backups
[11:13] <gjoemmie> so Im bigtime screwes
[11:13] <YokoZar> shock: I'll try that, but I think it gave me that same thing when synaptic was upgrading
[11:13] <xamdm> gjommie: that sounds bad
[11:13] <gjoemmie> k, so I lost everything
[11:13] <xamdm> gjommie: everything is gone !!
[11:13] <gjoemmie> so how do I switch completely to Ubuntu?
[11:13] <gjoemmie> and use that forgood?
[11:13] <Fator_Dee> don't use windows
[11:13] <xamdm> jou did ;-)
[11:13] <thoreauputic> gjoemmie: too late now, but from now on burn discs of your important data
[11:13] <YokoZar> The hell...I didn't have it installed?
[11:13] <shock> YokoZar - have you modified you xf86config previously?
[11:14] <shock> ???
[11:14] <shock> oh
[11:14] <shock> well then...
[11:14] <YokoZar> shock: No, I found the problem - somehow I managed to not have it installed
[11:14] <gjoemmie> yeah, but actually I only had a lot of Movies on my laptop, nothing more important really
[11:14] <shock> :)
[11:14] <xamdm> gjommie: cd /home/yourName
[11:14] <shock> ok then
[11:14] <xamdm> gjommie: ls
[11:14] <YokoZar> There must be a missing dependency somewhere, since it let me choose xorg as my default
[11:14] <gjoemmie> ls?
[11:14] <YokoZar> I'll go to #devel
[11:14] <xamdm> gjommie: like dir in dos
[11:15] <xamdm> gjommie: is there a sources.list ??
[11:15] <gjoemmie> wowow what?
[11:15] <gjoemmie> root terminal?
[11:15] <xamdm> gjommie: replace yourName with jour loginname
[11:15] <xamdm> root-terminal
[11:16] <xamdm> gjommie: if i had enough money i would visit you, chat is so difficult sometimes ..
[11:16] <gjoemmie> it doesnt do anything when I type cd /home/myname
[11:16] <xamdm> gjoemmie, just type ls
[11:16] <thoreauputic> gjoemmie: type pwd
[11:17] <gjoemmie> root@10-4-122-185:/home/gjoemmie # ls
[11:17] <gjoemmie> amsn_0.94-1_i386.deb             getmsg_files
[11:17] <gjoemmie> amsn-0.94-3-linux-installer.bin  getmsg.htm
[11:17] <gjoemmie> areslite181.exe                  HydraIRC.exe
[11:17] <gjoemmie> BitTorrent-4.0.0-1.noarch.rpm    setupdavid2291.exe
[11:17] <gjoemmie> Desktop
[11:17] <gjoemmie> thats when I type ls
[11:17] <gjoemmie> root@10-4-122-185:/home/gjoemmie # pwd
[11:17] <gjoemmie> /home/gjoemmie
[11:17] <gjoemmie> thats when I type pwd
[11:18] <xamdm> gjommie: jou didnt save the mailed sourcesl.list to /home/gjoemmie ??
[11:18] <thoreauputic> gjoemmie: well, that just tells you you are in your home dir
[11:18] <gjoemmie> I did!!!
[11:18] <sss_lr> hi
[11:18] <xamdm> its not there
[11:18] <xamdm> just do the following
[11:18] <xamdm> gedit /etc/apt/sources.list (its blank)
[11:19] <xamdm> then open the mail and copy paste
[11:20] <gjoemmie> k I pasted
[11:20] <gjoemmie> now save?
[11:20] <xamdm> gjommie: yes
[11:21] <gjoemmie> root@10-4-122-185:/home/gjoemmie # gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:21] <gjoemmie> (gedit:4487): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:
[11:21] <gjoemmie> Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[11:21] <xamdm> gjommie: now try apt-get update
[11:21] <gjoemmie> that came when I did the previous step
[11:22] <gjoemmie> k, a lot of percentages lines come now
[11:22] <xamdm> did the window open ??
[11:22] <xamdm> ok thats good
[11:22] <xamdm> then try apt-get install qtparted ones more
[11:22] <gjoemmie> it askes if I want to proceed
[11:22] <gjoemmie> do that?
[11:22] <xamdm> yes
[11:23] <thoreauputic> xamdm: the reason for qtparted has kind of disappeared, has it not?
[11:23] <xamdm> thoreauputic, i don't think so, just installed it jesterday on a notebook
[11:24] <xamdm> in hory a had tryed gparted ..
[11:24] <thoreauputic> hmm - just wondering what he's going to partition or resize, now :)
[11:24] <gjoemmie> doesnt work
[11:24] <thoreauputic> but never mind....
[11:24] <gjoemmie> stoppes in the middle
[11:24] <xamdm> maybe ther is a hda6 ore so, ther is a unused extended partition
[11:24] <gjoemmie> well, u know, cant I just throw everything off and start completely over?
[11:25] <gjoemmie> bcuz I lost everything allready now, so..
[11:25] <thoreauputic> gjoemmie: what for?
[11:25] <xamdm> gjommie: what happens, complete autput please
[11:26] <gjoemmie> I allready did it away, sorry Ill do it again
[11:26] <xamdm> gjommie: where are jou from ??
[11:27] <gjoemmie> root@10-4-122-185:/home/gjoemmie # apt-get install
[11:27] <gjoemmie> Pakketlijsten worden ingelezen... Klaar
[11:27] <gjoemmie> Boom van vereisten wordt opgebouwd... Klaar
[11:27] <gjoemmie> 0 pakketten opgewaardeerd, 0 nieuwe paketten genstalleerd, 0 verwijderen en 3 niet opgewaardeerd.
[11:27] <gjoemmie> W: Kon de status van de bronpakketlijst http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/restricted Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_warty_restricted_binary-i386_Packages) niet opvragen - stat (2 Onbekend bestand of map)
[11:27] <gjoemmie> W: Kon de status van de bronpakketlijst http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/multiverse Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_warty_multiverse_binary-i386_Packages) niet opvragen - stat (2 Onbekend bestand of map)
[11:27] <gjoemmie> W: Kon de status van de bronpakketlijst http://security.ubuntu.com warty-security/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/security.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_warty-security_main_binary-i386_Packages) niet opvragen - stat (2 Onbekend bestand of map)
[11:27] <gjoemmie> W: Kon de status van de bronpakketlijst http://backports.ubuntuforums.org warty-backports/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/backports.ubuntuforums.org_backports_dists_warty-backports_main_binary-i386_Packages) niet opvragen - stat (2 Onbekend bestand of map)
[11:27] <gjoemmie> W: Kon de status van de bronpakketlijst http://backports.ubuntuforums.org warty-backports/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/backports.ubuntuforums.org_backports_dists_warty-backports_universe_binary-i386_Packages) niet opvragen - stat (2 Onbekend bestand of map)
[11:27] <gjoemmie> W: Kon de status van de bronpakketlijst http://backports.ubuntuforums.org warty-backports/multiverse Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/backports.ubuntuforums.org_backports_dists_warty-backports_multiverse_binary-i386_Packages) niet opvragen - stat (2 Onbekend bestand of map)
[11:27] <gjoemmie> W: Kon de status van de bronpakketlijst http://backports.ubuntuforums.org warty-backports/restricted Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/backports.ubuntuforums.org_backports_dists_warty-backports_restricted_binary-i386_Packages) niet opvragen - stat (2 Onbekend bestand of map)
[11:27] <Seveas> gjoemmie, niet soveel pasten!!
[11:27] <gjoemmie> W: Kon de status van de bronpakketlijst ht
[11:27] <gjoemmie> Im from Belgium, Antwerp
[11:27] <gjoemmie> thats why its in dutch too
[11:27] <gjoemmie> ja, sorry, hij vroeget
[11:27] <gjoemmie> Seveas, kan jij me anders niet helpen?
[11:28] <gjoemmie> want ik versta hem niet zo goed
[11:28] <xamdm> gjommie: hm i don't understand that, for me that file works fine
[11:28] <Seveas> gjoemmie, dutch support is in #ubuntu-nl
[11:28] <gjoemmie> #ubuntu-nl
[11:28] <gjoemmie> how do I get there?
[11:28] <Smeven_lt> hi
[11:28] <Seveas> type /join #ubuntunl
[11:28] <Seveas> type /join #ubuntu-nl
[11:28] <thoreauputic> possibly copy paste from hotmail introduces extra characters
[11:29] <xamdm> maybe
[11:29] <xamdm> i don't understand why he can't save the attachment
[11:29] <gjoemmie> say, xamdm tnx for the help,seveas is gonna try it now in dutch, maybe i just dont understand it correctly
[11:29] <gjoemmie> tnx!
[11:30] <xamdm> hm, just my second day here and i always get the horro ones
[11:30] <scizzo> back
[11:30] <ubernostrum> Anybody here have experience with Ubuntu on Thinkpads (specifically Thinkpad G40)? I'd very much like to switch but I want to make sure everything will work first...
[11:30] <thoreauputic> xamdm: no-one could have helped that guy - don't feel bad
[11:31] <xamdm> thoreauputic: yesterday i had the same ...
[11:31] <Smeven_lt> Can any of you tell me where i can get mplayer?
[11:31] <Smeven_lt> (deb)
[11:31] <xamdm> gjommie: back again ??
[11:31] <scizzo> ubernostrum: IBM machine right?
[11:31] <thoreauputic> xamdm: sometimes when you see the first sympoms, it's better to run away ;-)
[11:31] <thoreauputic> *symptoms
[11:32] <ubernostrum> scizzo: yeah. Got FC3 on it with no issues, but I'd rather have Ubuntu ;)
[11:32] <xamdm> thoreauputic: jour right, but i always hope that i'm able to help
[11:32] <MyNameIsChris> Why do most of the gtk development libraries come from security.ubuntu.com?
[11:32] <scizzo> ubernostrum: sure...have you installed ubuntu now?
[11:32] <thoreauputic> xamdm: of course :-)
[11:32] <scizzo> ubernostrum: if not...why not try the live CD and see what happens in dmesg and so on?
[11:32] <scizzo> ;)
[11:32] <scizzo> a good way to test things
[11:33] <xamdm> thoreauputic: why do thes guys never read before they choose complete harddisk ??
[11:33] <ubernostrum> scizzo: I'll probably do that at some point, but I did have one fairly specific question.
[11:34] <Smeven_lt> does anyone know where i could get some mplayer debs or at least make totem work?
[11:34] <thoreauputic> xamdm: I guess they don't understand what an operating system is, so they don't know what a big step they are taking
[11:34] <scizzo> ubernostrum: that is?
[11:34] <ubernostrum> scizzo: everything I've read indicates that lm_sensors will hose a Thinkpad, and that's kept me from being able to install some things that RH builds with dependencies on lm_sensors. Is that a problem I'd be able to avoid on Ubuntu?
[11:34] <xamdm> thoreauputic: jeah, your right
[11:34] <thoreauputic> Smeven_lt: read http://ubuntuguide.org
[11:35] <thoreauputic> Smeven_lt: all th ethings you need are explained there
[11:35] <kutucape> anyone know how to record on ubuntu?
[11:35] <xamdm> kutucape: audacity ??
[11:35] <scizzo> ubernostrum: well depending on what ubuntu finds it will install the base system and then try to fix the rest I guess
[11:35] <Smeven_lt> thoreauputic: thankyou
[11:36] <kutucape> xdamdm: i run ices to record voice from microphone and then stream it through icecast server
[11:36] <xamdm> oh
[11:36] <scizzo> ubernostrum: lm_sensors was not in the base system when I installed this laptop at least
[11:36] <ubernostrum> scizzo: that's what I was wondering about... so many other distros install it by default.
[11:36] <ubernostrum> Thanks.
[11:37] <kutucape> i run ices: ices -c ices-live.xml and check the icecast server, and find the mount point there
[11:37] <scizzo> ubernostrum: well its not standard from what I know
[11:37] <ubernostrum> Cool.
[11:37] <kutucape> it seems that audio streams works but I didn't hear any sound
[11:38] <kutucape> anyone here ever play with icecast streaming server?
[11:38] <scizzo> kutucape: yes
[11:38] <scizzo> a long time ago
[11:39] <kutucape> how can I record voice from microphone and stream it directly (live) to icecast server?
[11:39] <scizzo> that I don't know
[11:39] <scizzo> maybe people in #icecast can help you with that?
[11:40] <kutucape> oh, well i will join #icecast for  while, thank you very much
[11:40] <eazel7> hi ppl
[11:40] <scizzo> y0 eazel7
[11:41] <eazel7> when will be released the next ubuntu stable branch?
[11:41] <xamdm> next month ??
[11:41] <Smeven_lt> ah....
[11:42] <OrangeSlice> Gnome 2.10 :)
[11:42] <Smeven_lt> i am assuming w32codes is not compatible with amd64?
[11:54] <Smeven_lt> sigh
[11:54] <pvh> My xscreensaver used to do a separate saver for each monitor. Now it smears it across both... That sucks. How can I fix it?
[11:55] <scizzo> eazel7: april from what I know
[11:55] <eazel7> ok
[11:56] <eazel7> thanks scizzo
[11:56] <scizzo> eazel7: you can find that out by looking at the wiki
[11:56] <scizzo> Array 6 has been released...
[11:56] <eazel7> ok scizzo, thanks
[12:01] <Smeven_lt> i just keep getting mplayer not installable because libavcodec2 is not installable
[12:07] <Smeven_lt> how does one go about acquiring libavcodec2 for amd64
[12:11] <djp> Smeven_lt: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=9850
[12:11] <InitMass> which is the best way to get sound out of all 6 of my speakers? i'm using alsa with esd
[12:11] <djp> Smeven_lt: Best way I found to get MPlayer up and running under Ubuntu...
[12:12] <djp> InitMass: Have you increased the wave suuround volume on your desktop?
[12:13] <Smeven_lt> djp: thansk
[12:13] <Smeven_lt> Hopefully someday gstreamer will be mature enough to where it wont be required
[12:13] <InitMass> djp, which control is that? i can't find it. but the volume is up in the gnome volume manager anyway
[12:14] <djp> InitMass: right click on your volume control...
[12:14] <djp> InitMass: click on open volume control...
[12:14] <djp> InitMass: scroll through the alsa mixer and increase the wave surrond volume control
[12:15] <djp> InitMass: that works for me in getting sound out of my 4.1 system
[12:17] <InitMass> djp, i still can't find that wave setting. i'm using an external soundcard. but i've got an internal too
[12:18] <Smeven_lt> too bad there arent debs for lxdvdrip
[12:18] <airox> ;)
[12:18] <InitMass> djp, if we begin with the tabs. there are two tabs called USB audio class driver (oss mixer) and then two called Intel 82801DB-ICH (alsa mixer)
[12:19] <airox> Is it possible to use 2 soundcards with ubuntu btw ?
[12:20] <InitMass> airox, i do
[12:20] <airox> So use the line-in from one card to stream to the other's output ?
[12:20] <InitMass> airox, but i still don't have any 6.1 sound but i guess it's coming...
[12:20] <djp> InitMass: check the alsa mixer...
[12:20] <djp> InitMass: what is your sound card by the way?
[12:22] <InitMass> djp, the external is a hercules muse pocket
[12:22] <airox> 9489,53453413
[12:22] <airox> 166,4
[12:22] <airox> (sorry)
[12:22] <InitMass> airox, to stream like that doesn't sound like a good idea
[12:23] <airox> Well it is for me :)
[12:23] <airox> I need to have several input's.
[12:23] <nico|m> mdz: hi! i'm the one with the ide bug (no ide drives detected). is there anything i can do for you to help you trace this bug?
[12:24] <mdz> nico|m: you can try the most recent daily build (the preview candidate)
[12:25] <mdz> nico|m: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ for the live CD
[12:25] <mdz> s/daily-live/daily/ for the install CD
[12:25] <nico|m> mdz: is this different from the latest kernel image package?
[12:26] <mdz> nico|m: 2.6.10-25.2
[12:26] <nico|m> mdz: i just installed 2.6.10-25.2. does not help.
[12:27] <mdz> nico|m: which kernel does work for you?
[12:27] <mdz> nico|m: please open a separate bug about this; it's clearly not the same as #1440
[12:28] <InitMass> djp, if i type alsamixer -c 1 then i get No mixer elems found
[12:29] <nico|m> mdz: 2.6.10-25 at least recognized my ide drives. don't know about that worse bug you were talking about (read corruption) as i did not read a cd-rom then.
[12:31] <Smiler_> I have a little problem with evolution (2.2) and exchange on hoary
[12:31] <Smiler_> I've read that's there's a few problems with the exchange conenctor but this one's a bit weird
[12:31] <Smiler_> when adding a new exchange account, i put in the owa url and username and hit authenticate
[12:32] <Smiler_> everything is fine but the 'forward' button never enables
[12:32] <djp> InitMass: sorry, working here, so only ckecking in on the chat room when i can... does alsamixer open from the command line?
[12:32] <mdz> nico|m: can you try this module?  http://zulinux.homelinux.net/ubuntu/kernel/ata_piix.ko
[12:32] <InitMass> djp, yes. i choosed to do so
[12:35] <djp> InitMass: this is now tricky due to the difference between soundcards. i have an sb live! so thing will be slightly different to you. try looking for wave, surround and pcm options and increase any volume levels that are not increased.
[12:36] <nico|m> mdz:  "unknown module format". "modprobe -f" makes it segfault
[12:38] <mdz> nico|m: which kernel are you currently running (uname -r)?
[12:38] <InitMass> djp, but first off i have to make alsamixer use the external card and not the internal. when i start alsamixer it uses the internal and if i use alsamixer -c 1 which i think should be the external card i get the message No mixer elems found
[12:38] <nico|m> mdz: 2.6.10-4-686-smp
[12:38] <mdz> nico|m: that module is for -386
[12:38] <nico|m> oh
[12:39] <nico|m> mdz: should i try -386 (non-smp)?
[12:39] <mdz> nico|m: that's the only way you'll be able to test that module, so yes, please
[12:39] <djp> InitMass: ahh, sorry. missed your earlier post. hmm... this is something i have not come across as i only use the one sound card.
[12:39] <GNAM> yesterday I made an apt-get update with hoary 6, apt-get stopped with an error installing update of gnome-language, and this broke my gnome: when I log, no gnome bars but blanck screen. I've reinstalled ubuntu. This with Hoary array 6
[12:39] <mdz> back in >10 minutes
[12:40] <Nermal> any idea when PHP5 will be in hoary ?
[12:40] <InitMass> djp, that step is very important. but hopefully i can take that step soon. unfortunately the people at #alsa are a sleep
[12:42] <djp> InitMass: wake 'em up! best of luck. if i get come across an answer or somebody in a similar situation then i will try and help. good luck.
[12:43] <InitMass> djp, thank you
[12:43] <InitMass> djp, have a nice day
[12:43] <nico|m> mdz:  brb
[12:44] <Smiler_> anyone got any ideas why i can't add an exchange account in evolution2.2 on hoary?
[12:44] <bur[n] er> nope, works for me
[12:45] <Smiler_> when i authenticate with OWA the 'forward' button doesn't enable
[12:49] <bur[n] er> Smiler_: don't save your exchange password
[12:49] <bur[n] er> type it manually everytime and it should work
[12:50] <bur[n] er> works for me on 2.2 and 2.04
[12:50] <Smiler_> bur[n] er: I'm not currently saving the password
[12:50] <bur[n] er> well crap ;)
[12:50] <bur[n] er> then i dunno
[12:50] <Smiler_> :)
[12:50] <Smiler_> np thanx
[12:55] <deFrysk> when I put path for java in .bash_profile it does not work suggestions anyone?
[12:56] <bur[n] er> deFrysk: use ~/.bashrc or ~/.profile
[12:56] <Can0Beans> Is the preview going to be released today?
[12:57] <deFrysk> bur[n] er, k
[12:59] <InitMass> is Ubuntu using ALSA by default?
[12:59] <nico|m> mdz: just tried -386. also "unknown module format", but "modprobe -f" makes it recognize my ide harddisk (i also have two cdroms that stay invisible).
[01:00] <GNAM> what's alsa? :P
[01:00] <jdub> InitMass: at the driver level, yes
[01:00] <BiteMeBill> Anyone familiar with the security notice that was issued about Ubuntu?
[01:01] <InitMass> jdub, so i can be sure that my soundcard use alsa and not oss when i'm using warty?
[01:01] <Alex1> hi
[01:01] <Alex1> someone can help me with charset's settings?
[01:01] <deFrysk> .bashrc did the trick, thanks !
[01:02] <Seveas> BiteMeBill, which notice?
[01:02] <Seveas> there are serveral USN (Ubuntu Security Notices)...
[01:02] <jdub> InitMass: pretty much, yeah
[01:02] <mdz> nico|m: ok, in that case, it should be fixed soon after the preview release; we have a fix pending
[01:03] <BiteMeBill> Seveas: about the perl-modules
[01:03] <Seveas> yes I have read that one
[01:03] <Seveas> and upgraded my system :)
[01:03] <nico|m> mdz: that's nice to hear. about when will that be? and what about the ide cdroms?
[01:04] <BiteMeBill> Yea I just seen that it was already up and ready to be installed.
[01:04] <InitMass> jdub, ok good. but if i get this message No mixer elems found when i type alsamixer -c 1. what should i do about that?
[01:04] <mdz> nico|m: in the next few days, probably, but it isn't scheduled
[01:05] <BiteMeBill> Seveas: Are you familiar with what they are saying can happen cause of it?
[01:07] <Seveas> I have never experienced the problem if that is what you mean...
[01:07] <nico|m> mdz:  ok, thanks again!
[01:08] <BiteMeBill> Seveas: doh!  Never mind I was miss reading one word..  LOL  miss read setuid  Guess what that is what I get for trying to think and read when I first get up.  LOL
[01:10] <httpdss> is there a way to know, a part from trying, to know if an ISP supports eql ??
[01:10] <Seveas> eql?
[01:10] <Seveas> and what do you mean by 'support'?
[01:11] <httpdss> load balancing module ..
[01:11] <BiteMeBill> httpdss: just contact them and ask.
[01:11] <Seveas> yeah, just ask..
[01:11] <httpdss> ok .. thx
[01:22] <hyphenoid> howdy howdy
[01:23] <goldfish> hi
[01:23] <hyphenoid> hey i got a question, pretty simple one
[01:24] <httpdss> rhythmbox isnt playing with EsounD, any idea ??
[01:24] <hyphenoid> everytime i reboot my comp i have to re-edit my resolv.conf because it doesn't store my nameservers
[01:24] <hyphenoid> any reason why?
[01:24] <httpdss> configure the interfaces
[01:25] <e-spy> becouse of resolvd deamon
[01:25] <hyphenoid> ah, how can i fix it?
[01:25] <hyphenoid> sorry, im new to linux
[01:28] <Haasma> hello
[01:28] <BeTa> I have a i386 desktop on which I can't burn anything (mainly using k3b)...
[01:28] <e-spy> Resolvconf is a framework for keeping track of the system's information about currently available nameservers. It sets itself up as the intermediary between programs   ?
[01:29] <e-spy> that supply nameserver information and programs that use nameserver information. Examples of programs that supply nameserver information are: ifupdown, DHCP clients,   ?
[01:29] <e-spy> the PPP daemon and local nameservers. Examples of programs that use this information are: DNS caches, resolver libraries and the programs that use them.                ?
[01:29] <e-spy>                                                                                                                                                                         ?
[01:29] <e-spy> This package may require some manual configuration.  Please read the README file for detailed instructions
[01:29] <BeTa> that's strange because on my ppc laptop (ubuntu too) it's running very well, is there any thing to check to be able to burn something as a normal user (root account can burn)
[01:29] <Haasma> i have a problem
[01:29] <essox> hi
[01:29] <Haasma> ki
[01:30] <hyphenoid> er, i know what resolv.conf is and what nameservers are.  just don't know how to keep it from resetting everytime i reboot
[01:30] <Ribs> BeTa: permissions. Check /etc/group for a list of them, you may need to add your user to a group for burning to work
[01:30] <e-spy> BeTa, check if you are in cdrom group
[01:30] <BeTa> I am
[01:30] <Ribs> you'll need to log back in again for them to take affect tho (right out of gdm and in again)
[01:30] <Haasma> i want to istall  ubuntu but my computer does not boot from the install cd
[01:30] <BeTa> ubuntu adm dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev lpadmin scanner
[01:31] <BeTa> I ahave the same things on my laptop than on my desktop
[01:31] <BeTa> cdrom is writtable for cdrom group
[01:31] <BeTa> that's strange
[01:32] <Haasma> i have win xp maybe thats the problem
[01:32] <goldfish> maybe its the bios settings
[01:32] <BeTa> check your bios settings... yep
[01:32] <Haasma> no i but it to boot from the cd first then floppy and last hdd
[01:32] <BeTa> someone has an idea about my burning problem ?
[01:33] <BeTa> Haasma: are you sure you've get a good ISO and you've burnt it well ?
[01:34] <Haasma> yes i installed ubuntu from it to three other computers
[01:34] <Haasma> and all of them work
[01:34] <essox> does the giftd package have some weird dependencies? i can't get it to install..
[01:34] <Haasma> could xp be doing something
[01:35] <e-spy> does ubuntu support instal on windows disk and ntfs resize
[01:36] <Haasma> yes it does
[01:37] <Haasma> just creat a partition and format it  with ubuntu
[01:41] <essox> someone managed to install giftd?
[01:42] <deFrysk> does anyone know how to get mplayer working thru mplayer-plugin ?
[01:42] <essox> in firefox?
[01:42] <MaartenFabre> lo
[01:42] <deFrysk> essox, yes
[01:43] <essox> installing the plugin should do it..
[01:43] <essox> tried it already?
[01:43] <Fator_Dee> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=18443 this worked for me
[01:43] <deFrysk> essox I tried mozplugger
[01:43] <deFrysk> does not take
[01:44] <scizzo> deFrysk: mplayer-mozilla is working fine for me
[01:44] <scizzo> I think the one provided by mozilla is a big test thingy
[01:44] <deFrysk> scizzo, is that the plugin ?
[01:44] <scizzo> deFrysk: did you follow the instructions to install it?
[01:45] <scizzo> deFrysk: there are howtos and they are available in the wiki I think
[01:45] <rweait> I have a basic Gnome configuration question.  Which file do I edit to change the Gnome "Menu Bar" so that "Applications" and "Computer" consume less space on my panel?
[01:45] <deFrysk> scizzo, I will have a look than befor asking further
[01:45] <djp> does anybody know if azureus will run if jython is used instead of sun java?
[01:45] <scizzo> deFrysk: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:45] <scizzo> deFrysk: all you need to know is there
[01:45] <deFrysk> scizzo, thanks
[01:46] <scizzo> deFrysk: that works on my laptop and workstation at least
[01:47] <hayden> hi ppls
[01:47] <scizzo> hi
[01:47] <SiRrUs> hello
[01:47] <hayden> whats the topic tonight?
[01:47] <scizzo> hayden: ?
[01:48] <hayden> scizzo, ?
[01:48] <djp> does anyone here have jython installed?
[01:49] <error_29> I second rweait's question-- that menu is called a "custom menu" -- but there seems to be no way to customize it!
[01:49] <cg__> problem here with "ADD TO PANEL" icons that have desapeared
[01:49] <szaz> Hi, anyone in?
[01:49] <essox> giftd says it depends on libltdl3 (>= 1.5.2-2), but "dpkg -l | grep libltdl" gives me this here: ii  libguile-ltdl- 1.6.4-4ubuntu1 Guile's patched version of libtool's libltdl
[01:49] <shock> im out!
[01:50] <hayden> i just upgraded to hoary, and the screen res changed to 1024x768 from 1280x800->but in the screen res menu there is no 1280x800 anyone know how to fix that?
[01:50] <shock> im soooon out
[01:50] <essox> so what's the problem? does anyone know?
[01:50] <szaz> a quick question, is there a way to get an 'Allied Telesyn AT-2000U' network card working in Ubunty?
[01:50] <szaz> ubuntu I meant
[01:51] <szaz> don't appear to be any linux drives for it - wondered if any other drivers might work?
[01:51] <scizzo> hayden: that sounds like a weird resolution
[01:52] <scizzo> szaz: sounds like a unsupported card in linux in that case
[01:52] <ermo> scizzo, widescreen wise it is fine
[01:52] <scizzo> ok...
[01:52] <szaz> ok
[01:52] <szaz> I suspected as much
[01:52] <hayden> scizzo, not if it is a widescreen notebook as ermo suggested
[01:52] <scizzo> szaz: you need to look at google I guess....if the module is not in the kernel it is hard to know what to do... :(
[01:53] <SiRrUs> essox try this sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:53] <scizzo> hayden: never used widescreen that much
[01:53] <ermo> szaz, do you have access to the writing on the largest ICs on your NIC?
[01:53] <szaz> spent all morning searching - no joy
[01:53] <rweait> ermo: what is listed in /etc/X11/XF86Config.conf (or /etc/X11/xorg.conf)?
[01:53] <szaz> might have......
[01:53] <xamdm> SZAZ: DOESN' ALLIED tELSYN CARS USE REALTEC CHIPSETS ??, damn capslok ;-)
[01:54] <szaz>  no realtec, but RTL8019AS
[01:54] <ermo> rweait, hayden is the on askin
[01:54] <szaz> or YCL
[01:54] <ermo> szaz, it's ne2000pci compatible then
[01:55] <Sion_Barzhad> how do you change the gnome foot logo on the applications menu bar
[01:55] <Lemonzest> whats a good gift client for bunty
[01:55] <Lemonzest> or p2p?
[01:55] <ermo> szaz, so, try ne2000pci and ne2000
[01:55] <xamdm> szaz: rtl8019as is realtec
[01:55] <scizzo> Lemonzest: bunty?
[01:55] <scizzo> Lemonzest: hehe
[01:56] <Sion_Barzhad> Lemonzest: for ubuntu, its gtk-gnutell
[01:56] <Sion_Barzhad> gtk-gnutella
[01:56] <ermo> rweait, hayden is asking - not me  :)
[01:56] <hayden> whats up rweait ?
[01:56] <szaz> cheers - I'll give it a go
[01:56] <Sion_Barzhad> Lemonzest: its not gfx tho
[01:56] <szaz> when I get the damn lid back on this heap of junk......
[01:56] <ermo> hayden, what does you /etc/X11/ X configuration file say?
[01:56] <essox> SiRrUs: what does xserver-xorg have to do with giftd/libltdl3?
[01:56] <Sion_Barzhad> how do you change the gnome foot logo on the applications menu bar
[01:57] <rweait> hayden:  What resolution setting s do you have in /etc/X11/XF86Config.conf (or /etc/X11/xorg.conf)?
[01:57] <jdub__> Sion_Barzhad: you have to replace the image on disk; it's in /usr/share/pixmaps
[01:57] <essox> SiRrUs: oh, you meant the other guy :)
[01:57] <SiRrUs> essox  oops sorry that was for hayden
[01:57] <xamdm> anyone herer testet openoffice.oeg2 ??
[01:58] <missmarple> re
[01:58] <hayden> rweait,  Modes           "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[01:58] <ermo> hayden, try adding you widescreen resolution
[01:58] <hayden> ok
[01:59] <rweait> hayden: try google-ing your laptop model# with "xf86config.conf" as well.  See if there are any refresh-rate gotchas.
[02:00] <hayden> it also says depths 1,8,15,16,24
[02:00] <ermo> hayden, if it's fairly standard (it sounds like it) the X server should be able to calculate proper timings for your display. If not, try searching for 'modeline' and  '<yourmakeoflaptop>'
[02:00] <hayden> ok
[02:00] <hayden> ok
[02:00] <ermo> rweait, we're echoing here :D
[02:00] <rweait> Ermo and rweait have walked in the same shoes. :-)
[02:01] <ermo> most likely, yes
[02:04] <ermo> anyone here use xchat?
[02:05] <hayden> yea
[02:05] <thoreauputic> ermo: lots of people I would imagine :)
[02:05] <Nermal> yeah
[02:05] <ermo> thoreauputic, well, I'm experiencing something quite odd.
[02:05] <thoreauputic> ?
[02:05] <Lemonzest> is there a native giFT client, been using KCeasy on win32 so want something like it
[02:06] <Fator_Dee> how can I get my irssi to autoload a script?
[02:06] <ermo> thoreauputic, the main window displays text as white on black. But my topic and my <writehere> fields are grey on white
[02:06] <Ryann> hey google www.otomotivshow.com  :)
[02:06] <ermo> thoreauputic, how to fix? (tried in the settings aready)
[02:07] <SiRrUs> ermo have you changed your color settings?
[02:07] <thoreauputic> ermo: you can configure that in settings :)
[02:07] <BiteMeBill> ermo: that is all set in Settings -> preferences
[02:07] <andreas> Morning
[02:07] <andreas> Does anyone know it GNOME 2.10 has hit Ubuntu apt-gets yet?
[02:08] <thoreauputic> input box >> use text box font and colours
[02:08] <andreas> if
[02:08] <ermo> BiteMeBill, SiRrUs, thoreauputic: trouble is that foreground is grey and background is black. (and the main window looks fine)
[02:08] <ermo> in the settings
[02:08] <Nermal> andreas, in hoary it has
[02:08] <thoreauputic> ermo: play with the colour settings
[02:09] <thoreauputic> foreground, background and so on
[02:09] <ermo> thoreauputic, I am and I have. Nothing is working :( (I'm getting the feeling that my GMilk theme is to blame)
[02:09] <andreas> nermal: Please tell me how to update. I am using Hoary but with 2.8 and cannot see in the apt-cache show gnome what version it is
[02:10] <thoreauputic> ermo: well, change the theme temporarily and see if that changes things
[02:10] <SiRrUs> andreas it should be also part of the preview release
[02:10] <scizzo> andreas: apt-cache show gnome-session
[02:11] <thoreauputic> andreas: try apt-cache policy gnome
[02:11] <andreas> sirrus: It didn`t  come with mt smart-update
[02:11] <hyphenoid> maybe someone can answer my question :P  i asked earlier but no one gave me an answer
[02:11] <hyphenoid> everytime i reboot my resolv.conf sets back to default and deletes all the nameservers i added
[02:11] <hyphenoid> how do i get it to stop doing that?
[02:11] <Seveas> hyphenoid, that is normal :)
[02:11] <hyphenoid> damnit!
[02:11] <hyphenoid> lol
[02:11] <ermo> thoreauputic, It changes. But it shouldn't should it? In all the other themes everything shows up fine. But where lies the bug?
[02:12] <Seveas> read the manpage for resolvconf and dhclient3
[02:12] <SiRrUs> andreas 2.10 build date march 7th   came with mine
[02:12] <hyphenoid> okie
[02:12] <mdz> andreas: GNOME 2.10 has been in hoary for a few days now
[02:12] <Fator_Dee> could someone help me in an easy task? how do I make a link to a file?
[02:12] <thoreauputic> ermo: something to work out on a rainy afternoon... *g*
[02:12] <scizzo> mdz: 2 days if I am not wrong
[02:13] <thoreauputic> Fator_Dee: a soft link?  ln -s target/file  link/file
[02:13] <SiRrUs> scizzo like i said March 7th ;)
[02:13] <Fator_Dee> thoreauputic: yes, and thank you
[02:13] <scizzo> SiRrUs: jupp
[02:13] <mdz> scizzo: since Monday, with maybe a couple of packages on Tuesday
[02:13] <andreas> Hmm.... I wasn`t aware that mine had changed but that could explain my recent problems with nautilus
[02:13] <ermo> thoreauputic, *grr* how infuriating ;)
[02:13] <andreas> How do i see what version i have?
[02:13] <mdz> andreas: System->About GNOME
[02:13] <thoreauputic> Fator_Dee: the thing to remember is the target comes first (not so intuitive)
[02:13] <SiRrUs> andreas   sysytem  about gnome
[02:14] <andreas> Haven`t got that.... Could it be About Ubuntu?
[02:14] <SiRrUs> andreas are you using hoary?
[02:14] <andreas> yes
[02:14] <Fator_Dee> thoreauputic: like this : ln -s /usr/share/irssi/scripts/dns.pl dns.pl ?
[02:15] <airox> Can I install OpenGL if my video driver doesn't include it ?
[02:15] <ermo> Fator_Dee, actually you can use just ln -s /usr/share/irssi/scripts/dns.pl .
[02:15] <thoreauputic> Fator_Dee: if you want dns.pl as the link, yes
[02:15] <Fator_Dee> oukeydoukey, tnahks
[02:15] <blackfee1> hi
[02:16] <Burgundavia> andreas: then you have 1. Warty 2. An unupdated Hoary
[02:17] <andreas> burg: Fully updated hoary
[02:17] <ermo> andreas, from a not-fully-updated mirror, perhaps?
[02:17] <blackfee1> every boot i get the error about inserting the floppy module, i can understand cause i dont have a floppy, does anybody know how to correct that?
[02:17] <Burgundavia> then you should have a about gnome
[02:17] <Burgundavia> s/a/an
[02:18] <andreas> hmm... Please give link to a sources.list that is fully up to date
[02:18] <ermo> andreas, pm
[02:18] <andreas> ermo: ??
[02:19] <thoreauputic> blackfee1: put the floppy module in /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[02:20] <ermo> andreas, you are a danish speaker, right?
[02:20] <andreas> ermo: yes
[02:20] <blackfee1> thoreauputic: thanks a lot, but why he wants to load the module?
[02:20] <thoreauputic> blackfee1: I don't know, I'm not an operating system ;-)
[02:20] <ermo> andreas, I've sent you a personal message - do you see it? (in xchat it should open a
[02:20] <ermo> andreas, new tab
[02:21] <blackfee1> thoreauputic: do you know what hw_random is?
[02:21] <andreas> Ohhh... I`m using irssi
[02:21] <thoreauputic> blackfee1: no
[02:21] <goldfish> new window
[02:21] <goldfish> u shud see a pink number
[02:21] <goldfish> on the bar at the bottom
[02:21] <thoreauputic> blackfee1: something to do with /dev/random ? I'm guessing
[02:21] <ermo> andreas, I don't remember exactly how, but you can call up a list of windows in irrsii too and switch to the appropriate one
[02:22] <blackfee1> thoreauputic: maybe, i'll also put it on the blacklist ;)
[02:22] <andreas> ermo: Found it
[02:22] <thoreauputic> blackfee1: don't get carried away - it might do something useful!
[02:23] <blackfee1> thoreauputic: no, because it could not be loadet
[02:23] <thoreauputic> in that case, why blacklist it?
[02:23] <eruin> language-support-nb: Depends: openoffice.org-l10n-nb but it is not going to be installed Depends: mozilla-thunderbird-locale-nb but it is not going to be installed <--- mozilla-thunderbird-locale depends on thunderbird 0.8 ... I'm guessing this is why I don't have native language support in gnome?
[02:23] <blackfee1> thoreauputic: simular error like the floppy on boot
[02:25] <thoreauputic> blackfee1: these errors might just mean the system tries to load them, sees you have no floppy, and therefore doesn't load the module
[02:25] <thoreauputic> harmless, in other words
[02:26] <blackfee1> thoreauputic: i think so, and so i see no problem when i blacklist it
[02:26] <thoreauputic> blackfee1: does "floppy" show in lsmod?
[02:26] <blackfee1> thoreauputic: no, hw_random also
[02:27] <thoreauputic> true, should be no problem, in theory...
[02:28] <blackfee1> thoreauputic: so, i found out, hw_random is for hardware random feature of the processor and mine dont has this feature
[02:37] <ermo> blackfee1, actually, I believe the chipset can also be responsible for collecting 'true' random data and make it available via the hw_random module and the corresponding /dev/ entry
[02:40] <hayden> how do i mount a smb share as to make an icon of the share appear on the desktop?
[02:42] <scizzo> hayden: try
[02:42] <Cspnico> re
[02:43] <scizzo> Places -> Connect to Server
[02:43] <scizzo> or do you mean in win_
[02:43] <Cspnico> coXauth: error in locking file /home/cspnico/.Xauthority
[02:43] <scizzo> ?
[02:43] <hayden> in hoary
[02:43] <scizzo> hayden: then try what I said
[02:43] <scizzo> Cspnico: trying to login with another user?
[02:43] <scizzo> Cspnico: like root?
[02:43] <Cspnico> yes
[02:44] <scizzo> don't do that
[02:44] <scizzo> Cspnico: use the normal user
[02:44] <Cspnico> and it s when i do startx
[02:44] <hayden> thanks for that scizzo worked
[02:44] <scizzo> root is not going to use X
[02:44] <Cspnico> when i suse normal user too
[02:44] <Cspnico> when i use normal user too
[02:45] <scizzo> exit the root user and try to login again with the normal user
[02:45] <Xappe> is it possible to copy whole folder trees with sftp?
[02:45] <scizzo> or...look if there is something using X already..like GDM
[02:45] <Cspnico> oki
[02:45] <scizzo> Ctrl+Alt+F7 might have a login screen
[02:45] <Cspnico> but X doses'nt work in boot
[02:45] <jari> argh, hoary preview hangs here ...
[02:46] <scizzo> Xappe: use lftp for that
[02:46] <Bandit> jari at what point
[02:46] <scizzo> Xappe: lftp -u user sftp://host
[02:46] <nikls>  /join #ubuntu-fr
[02:46] <scizzo> Xappe: lftp can handle more connection
[02:46] <scizzo> Cspnico: ummm...what is the error during boot then?
[02:46] <Bandit> Yo   jari
[02:46] <jari> Bandit, boots ok until it starts X/gdm
[02:47] <scizzo> Cspnico: might be that you have done something weird in xorg.conf or XF86Config-4?
[02:47] <jari> Bandit, mouse works, but keyboard doesn't answer.
[02:47] <Cspnico> scizzo>>yes
[02:47] <Bandit> jari i am installing it now
[02:47] <jari> Bandit, not even Caps Lock
[02:47] <Bandit> jari hope I have better luck
[02:47] <scizzo> Cspnico: what did you change?
[02:47] <Cspnico> but how i can do for that he back to the default config?
[02:48] <Cspnico> scizzo>XF86Config-4
[02:48] <hayden> how can i get support for divx/xvid/dvd/real media in xine (hoary)?
[02:48] <scizzo> Cspnico: you should go in and change things back or configure it from the beginning...
[02:49] <scizzo> Cspnico: look if there is more XF86Config-4 in /etc/X11&
[02:49] <scizzo> GAH
[02:49] <scizzo>  /etc/X11/
[02:49] <scizzo> hayden: looked at the restrictedformats in the wiki?
[02:49] <Cspnico> scizzo>i do dpkg reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and i do change but they does nt work
[02:49] <Cspnico> scizzo>how i can remove config?
[02:50] <scizzo> Cspnico: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[02:50] <hayden> ok thanks
[02:50] <Cspnico> Cspnico>>it s done
[02:50] <Cspnico> scizzo>it s done
[02:50] <scizzo> umm...you should get options to go through
[02:51] <djp> hi all
[02:51] <thoreauputic> Cspnico: if you hand-edited it, it won't change when you dpkg-reconfigure (it respects the changes)
[02:51] <djp> is there anybody here who creates their own vcd/svcd's under ubuntu and if so how?
[02:52] <scizzo> thoreauputic: it does?
[02:52] <scizzo> thoreauputic: cool
[02:52] <scizzo> thoreauputic: didn't know that
[02:52] <scizzo> :P
[02:52] <thoreauputic> Cspnico: read the message at the top of the file
[02:52] <Cspnico> thoreauputic >i konow and i have replace the file by another
[02:53] <Xappe> scizzo, ok i'll try that
[02:53] <thoreauputic> Cspnico: it *tells* you in the file how to do it, what commands to run - read it carefully
[02:53] <Bandit> jari ok i am in the second stage collecting files and installing
[02:53] <thoreauputic> Cspnico: else no amount of substituting will work
[02:54] <Cspnico> thoreauputic>oki
[02:54] <djp> ubuntu and (s)vcd creation?
[02:54] <thoreauputic> quote:  If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated
[02:54] <thoreauputic> # again, run the following commands as root:
[02:54] <jari> Bandit, great. It worked on my other computer just fine. But on AMD64 it hangs :-|
[02:56] <scizzo> Xappe: lftp is lovely... :)
[02:56] <Bandit> will let you know if the install is done before i need to go to work
[02:58] <Xappe> scizzo, just have to learn how to download folders
[03:00] <danny__> Hello everyone
[03:00] <danny__> Linux Newbie here
[03:01] <thoreauputic> welcome to linux then :)
[03:01] <scizzo> Xappe: mirror <foldername>
[03:02] <danny__> Is is very difficult with ubuntu to make some shares?
[03:03] <danny__> I got some help yesterday but am still confused
[03:03] <Xappe> scizzo ah, so it's that easy :)
[03:03] <kent> Is there some free x86 emulator for linux that I can use to try a new install of Hoary? (I just want to see how it looks..)
[03:04] <joaquinz> kent : qemu is fine
[03:04] <djp> does anybody know if mjpegtools is working under warty?
[03:04] <scizzo> Xappe: ;)
[03:04] <scizzo> Xappe: queue mirror <foldername1>
[03:04] <scizzo> Xappe: that will put it in a queue
[03:04] <scizzo> Xappe: then use fg to tell things to move to the foreground.. :)
[03:04] <rweait> danny__: what do you want to share, and to whom (other Linux boxes?)
[03:05] <kent> joaquinz, thanks. I will try it. :)
[03:05] <joaquinz> kent : ok :P
[03:06] <danny__> rweait : I would like to make 15 individual folders with an access .mdb file  it will be no bigger than 500 megs  I will be sharing to win 2k boxes
[03:07] <danny__> eweait: 500 megs each
[03:07] <thoreauputic> danny__: you realise .mdb is not supported by linux apps? (at least, none I know of)
[03:07] <rweait> danny__: you want to put access files in these fifteen folders?
[03:08] <rweait> Then share them to win2k boxes.
[03:08] <danny__> well they will just host it not use it
[03:08] <thoreauputic> ah, OK
[03:08] <danny__> the .mdb file will be used by windows 2000 machines
[03:08] <rweait> danny__: looks like a job for SAMBA.
[03:08] <thoreauputic> danny__: yup, gotcha
[03:09] <danny__> rweait:Yes that is what I was told yesterday
[03:09] <rweait> danny__: you asked, "Is it hard?"  I wouldn't say "Hard," but probably not a good first project.  There are some tricky spots.
[03:10] <Lemonzest> are there any amd64 guides for bunty? i want to know about all this chroot32 business and running 32bit programs on an amd 64
[03:11] <rweait> Danny__: start by building the directories that you want to share, perhaps as /var/pub/share1, /var/pub/share2 ...
[03:11] <danny__> rweait: well I have been told this (linux) is the way to go and I need to get "weaned" off of windows I think I am up to this
[03:11] <danny__> OK
[03:11] <rweait> danny__: once you have the directories built, set the UNIX permissions the way you need them.
[03:12] <danny__> rweait: I have to read on UNIX permissions I do not know what that is
[03:12] <rweait> danny__: you'll need to get the UNIX sers and the SAMBA users set correctly (they are maintained separately.
[03:12] <danny__> rweait: sorry I am brand new to all this second day yesterday I installed the os
[03:13] <rweait> danny__: You have an exciting and fun learning process in front of you.
[03:13] <danny__> rweait:  Well I am stubborn and willing to invest late nights and weekends to get this going
[03:14] <rweait> danny__: Mostly, be assured that it _can_ be done.
[03:14] <danny__> rweait:  You know I work for a school district and our tech support made some shares for me but they have not worked for a week I follow the procedures to get them fixd but they work for a day
[03:14] <maswan> out of curiousity, would you like to start getting warty-hoary upgrade reports soon?
[03:15] <thoreauputic> danny__: on the most basic simple level, permissions are 4=readable 2=writable 1=accessible(folders)/or executable. then the three elements, owner, group, others
[03:16] <rweait> danny__: when it breaks, can you still see the shares from the samba server?  "smbclient -L localhost" IIRC?
[03:16] <malte`> WOW kickstart compatibility!!!
[03:16] <danny__> rweait: the shares they made me are on windows machines
[03:17] <Lemonzest> are there any amd64 guides for bunty? i want to know about all this chroot32 business and running 32bit programs on an amd 64
[03:17] <danny__> rweait: they do not believe in Linux here becasue it does not suit their infrasstructure i was told
[03:17] <rweait> danny__: how are they breaking?  other win boxes can't see them?
[03:18] <danny__> rweait:  well sometimes I can see them and ty to use them anf get errors such as "path to deep" or "connection has been lost"  but I can see it fine.
[03:19] <ermo^brok> danny__, you could be experiencing a 'master browser' issue
[03:22] <shad0w1e> what is the command to install ubuntu kernel header files???
[03:22] <eruin> anyone know why I can't turn dma on in ubuntu hoary while I can in gentoo?
[03:22] <danny__> ermo^brok, What is that?
[03:22] <eruin> ie what's needed to do such a thing really?
[03:22] <ermo^brok> eruin, apart from 'hdparm'?
[03:22] <shad0w1e> anyone know how to install kernel headers?
[03:23] <shad0w1e> its something to do with dpkg-install build-essential
[03:23] <shad0w1e> but I'm not exactly sure..
[03:23] <djp> ok, can someone tell me if this is a good idea... apt-get -b source mjpegtools
[03:23] <thoreauputic> shad0w1e: look for "linux-headers'  (debian calls them kernel-headers)
[03:23] <eruin> ermo^brok: that's the only way to _do_ it afaik - but in hoary I get HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
[03:25] <thoreauputic> shad0w1e: you can simply apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[03:25] <joaquinz> hi
[03:26] <thoreauputic> or do apt-cache search linux-headers and find the perfect match for your kernel
[03:26] <joaquinz> have anybody ever got to get work ivman in ubuntu?
[03:26] <ermo^brok> danny__, on a SMB/CIFS network, the 'master browser' keeps a list of all available shares. Clients query  the master browser for said list of shares. For more in depth coverage, take a look at the samba documentation (http://us4.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/NetworkBrowsing.html#id2549105)
[03:26] <aracataca> hi everyone,
[03:26] <benjanet> is firefox hanging randomly in hoary ?
[03:26] <joaquinz> have anybody ever got to get work ivman in ubuntu?
[03:26] <ermo^brok> benjanet, well, I have issues with resolving names
[03:27] <aracataca> short question of a simple mind: how to look for available wlan-networks with the standard ubuntu - installation?
[03:27] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[03:27] <da_bon_bon> xcompmgr rocks, clearlooks rocks, and so does the new ubuntu wallaper! :)
[03:27] <benjanet> ermo^brok, mine hangs after a while :(
[03:27] <shad0w1e> thoreauputic: thanks
[03:28] <SiRrUs> Well the prerelease installed, looks, and runs great Great work to all the developers  :)
[03:28] <djp> can somebody help me with apt-get commands?
[03:30] <da_bon_bon> djp: whats the problem ?
[03:30] <NetwrkMonkey> is it possible to set up an AP in shared mode and use it in ubuntu?
[03:31] <danny__> ermo^brok:  But the shares are on a windows share not Samba they have a win2k sevrer and shared some folders the other windows boxes just map a drive to their particualr folder
[03:31] <benjanet> da_bon_bon, where can i get that wallpaper ?
[03:31] <djp> da_bon_bon: trying to install mjpegtools but keep getting dependency problems. would the command apt-get -b source mjpegtools solve this?
[03:32] <scizzo> djp: what dependencies problem and how are you trying to install it?
[03:32] <da_bon_bon> benjanet: apt-get install ubuntu-artwork ubuntu-desktop
[03:32] <da_bon_bon> benjanet: if u r on hoary that is
[03:32] <da_bon_bon> djp: wait a sex
[03:32] <da_bon_bon> *sec
[03:32] <aracataca> so again, how to make ubuntu look for wlan-networks?
[03:33] <djp> scizzo: using the command apt-get install mjpegtools
[03:33] <da_bon_bon> djp: apt-get --build-dep source XXX
[03:33] <djp> scizzo: being told that the package is broken
[03:33] <da_bon_bon> aracataca: asking a question again and again doesnt mean that you will get an instant answer
[03:33] <eruin> anyone managed getting dma set on sata drives on abit kv7 boards?
[03:33] <yac> hey all :)
[03:34] <djp> da_bon_bon: will that get mjpegtools working?
[03:34] <danny__> well thanks for all you help I do have an exciting task ahead of me
[03:34] <_ale> djp, tias
[03:35] <da_bon_bon> djp: apt-get install mpegtools -- if u dont want to build from source but want binary
[03:35] <aracataca> yeah, sorry for that, didnt mean to be rude, i just wonder how to get the answer, maybe you could help me out?  ;)
[03:35] <da_bon_bon> djp: apt-get install mpegtools , unless u wanna compile from source
[03:36] <djp> da_bon_bon: using the apt-get install mjpegtools just tells me the package is broken
[03:37] <yac> is blender somewhere in a repository ? :) <testing UnBuNtU>
[03:37] <ermo^brok> eruin, maybe SATA is seen as SCSI devices by the kernel. And you are not allowed to set DMA and such on SCSI devices?
[03:37] <scizzo> yac: in universe
[03:37] <yac> thanks
[03:38] <ermo^brok> eruin, that would also explain the "Inappropriate ioctl for device" message
[03:38] <da_bon_bon> aracataca: sorry, i have no idea about wireless networks :( google or search on ubuntuforums.org
[03:38] <aracataca> yeah i will, thanks anyway!
[03:39] <eruin> ermo^brok: thanks for the hint ;)
[03:39] <avallark> hi all
[03:40] <ermo^brok> eruin, I mean I'm not sure or anything. But it would explain it, wouldn't it?
[03:40] <avallark> i get the CD not mounted error when i try installing from the cdrom
[03:40] <thoreauputic> djp: if you want to use apt's build tools the best source of info is probably the Debian apt-howto (which is apt-gettable by the way)
[03:40] <eruin> ermo^brok: dmesg: "SCSI device sda" :P
[03:40] <da_bon_bon> hey, all, plz check whether www.mapmyindia.com is working in ur guys' firefox
[03:40] <avallark> plz help!
[03:40] <ermo^brok> eruin, *g* ok. That _did_ explain it.
[03:40] <eruin> ermo^brok: now to prevent that from happening since I really need dma on both that and my cdrw :P
[03:41] <djp> thoreauputic: thanks for the advice
[03:41] <thoreauputic> djp: apt-cache show apt-howto
[03:42] <thoreauputic> djp: mine of information - and yes, building with apt-get build-dep etc is one way to get around dependency issues, as long as the source packages are in the repos
[03:42] <djp> thoreauputic: would some of my problems be that i am using warty? the reason i don't like to upgrade to hoary at present is because i find wart a lot more stable apart from the avi to vcd issues that i have.
[03:43] <avallark> i get the CD not mounted error when i try installing from the cdrom
[03:43] <avallark> what do i do?
[03:43] <ermo^brok> eruin, sounds like gentoo uses a kernel patch that allows you to tune SATA drives
[03:43] <thoreauputic> djp: I don't know - but sometimes a bit of leg work using the source packages can skirt problem issues
[03:44] <Albacker> guys, I'm doing apt-get install k3b, because of the slow internet connection I cant get everything today. can I resume the download later ?
[03:44] <djp> thoreauputic: thank you
[03:44] <thoreauputic> djp: I don't know about your particular area of interest though
[03:44] <avallark> what do i do abt this : i get the CD not mounted error when i try installing from the cdrom
[03:47] <Albacker> can anyone help me ?
[03:47] <avallark> what do i do abt this : i get the CD not mounted error when i try installing from the cdrom
[03:47] <thoreauputic> Albacker: yes, apt will pick up where it left off
[03:48] <hayden> i set open with of a video file to gxine, then i try and run the video but it opens up Totem instead any1 know why
[03:48] <thoreauputic> Albacker: you won't have to re-download everything
[03:48] <da_bon_bon> Albacker: when u wanna pause, just press CTRL-C
[03:48] <avallark> helloooooooooooooo
[03:49] <avallark> i am stuck here :-D
[03:49] <Albacker> ok thanks
[03:49] <Albacker> so I do.
[03:49] <Albacker> apt-get install k3b again.
[03:49] <Albacker> right ?
[03:49] <da_bon_bon> Albacker: right
[03:50] <Albacker> what if I type it in another directory ?
[03:50] <Albacker> like wget for ex
[03:50] <thoreauputic> Albacker: yes, whatever is in the cache will not be downloaded again
[03:50] <zeedo> Albacker: dosnt matter where you type it
[03:50] <avallark> Albacker: silly idiot! apt-get -f install&&apt-get install k3b
[03:51] <avallark> now somebody help me out!
[03:51] <avallark> PLZ
[03:51] <Albacker> ok thanks
[03:51] <thoreauputic> avallark: now that you've insulted someone?
[03:51] <Albacker> avallark, silly idiot, help yourself :P
[03:51] <avallark> HEY! that was a joke!
[03:52] <Albacker> mine too :D
[03:52] <da_bon_bon> avallark: what u said is wrong
[03:53] <thoreauputic> avallark: if you mean to joke, mark your text so there's no misunderstanding: IRC is a bad medium for this
[03:53] <thoreauputic> avallark: too easily misinterpreted
[03:53] <invictus> just tried the preview release...god that is nice!
[03:53] <SiRrUs> We  have a winner !!!!
[03:54] <KkoiraOlento> can somebody kindly help me?!!! i've installed ubuntu and everything went well untill the system asked me for login + psswrd... the screen flashes twice and after that the system complaints something about xfree86 versions...
[03:54] <da_bon_bon> invictus: whats different ? can u send me a screenshot ?
[03:54] <da_bon_bon> KkoiraOlento: warty or hoary ?
[03:54] <hayden> i set open with of a video file to gxine, then i try and run the video but it opens up Totem instead any1 know why
[03:55] <KkoiraOlento> d_b_b: i think it's warty
[03:55] <invictus> da_bon_bon: its the overall feeling. for me its much more stable than the array 4, and I get not boot errors on default install anymore :)
[03:55] <thoreauputic> KkoiraOlento:  cat /etc/issue
[03:55] <da_bon_bon> KkoiraOlento: type 3-4 letters of a nick and press TAB for nick auto-completion
[03:57] <da_bon_bon> hey, how do i do a text only (no X, gnome) install of ubuntu using the warty cd-roms ?
[03:58] <hayden> how do i exit from a man (manual) and get back to the console?
[03:58] <da_bon_bon> hayden: press "q"
[03:58] <da_bon_bon> without quotes
[03:58] <da_bon_bon> :)
[03:59] <hayden> thanks
[03:59] <KkoiraOlento> d_b_b: it complaints me about the xfree84... that there has occured an error and i should update it somehow... i'm new with linux so it's not clear as water to me.
[03:59] <da_bon_bon> KkoiraOlento: is updating to hoary an option ?
[04:00] <KkoiraOlento> d_b_b: no... i don't have a connection to the internet on my computer
[04:01] <thoreauputic> avallark: are you using the warty install CD?
[04:01] <da_bon_bon> KkoiraOlento: then try re installing
[04:01] <SiRrUs> invictus your right its very nice
[04:01] <KkoiraOlento> d_b_b: done that for several times
[04:02] <avallark> yes
[04:02] <avallark> warty
[04:03] <avallark> thoreauputic: i tried searching at the forums..there is a query ergarding this, but no solutions to it..
[04:03] <thoreauputic> avallark: and the installer doesn't recognise your cd-rom ? Or doesn't boot?
[04:04] <thoreauputic> avallark: do you have a fast internet connection?
[04:04] <KkoiraOlento> d_b_b: thanks for help.... found the problem
[04:05] <da_bon_bon> KkoiraOlento: where ? can u gimme d link ?
[04:06] <gilles_> Is it possible to have the grub menu, with the OS selection, in 1280x800 ?
[04:06] <da_bon_bon> gilles_: no it is tect mode
[04:06] <da_bon_bon> text
[04:07] <da_bon_bon> gilles_: actually yes. google for vga in grub
[04:08] <Myrtti> ahhh... KDE
[04:08] <KkoiraOlento> myrtti ootko suomesta??
[04:09] <Myrtti> KkoiraOlento: yes, I am from Finland. Why are you asking?
[04:09] <KkoiraOlento> ihan vaan supportin kannalta
[04:10] <Myrtti> and have you realized yet that this is supposed to be general support channel, so preferred language is English? Chat in Finnish at #ubuntu-fi
[04:10] <Myrtti> I can't really remember if I'm there anymore, seemed like a dead channel ;-)
[04:10] <KkoiraOlento> myrtti: in case that my english is not good enough... got it
[04:10] <da_bon_bon> KkoiraOlento: type 3-4 letters of a nick and press TAB for nick auto-completion
[04:11] <gilles_> da_bon_bon: I mean when the os selection menu appear, not once the system runs (for that, it works with vga=791 video=1280x800 add in menu.list)
[04:11] <da_bon_bon> how do i add space to my ubuntu install ? resize partition or somethin else?
[04:12] <da_bon_bon> gilles_: ok, so for about 3-4 second u want 1280x800 beauty in grub! :P
[04:12] <Fator_Dee> da_bon_bon: "\ " I think
[04:12] <invictus> I just tried to share something from nautilus, and it seem to work (using samba), but when I try to connect to it I need to insert user/pass, but I dont know what the user/pass is. any ideas?
[04:12] <da_bon_bon> Fator_Dee: what ?
[04:12] <Fator_Dee> if I understood you correctly
[04:12] <Fator_Dee> and I think I did not :-p
[04:12] <gilles_> da_bon_bon: right. I'm perfectionist.
[04:12] <da_bon_bon> Fator_Dee: what are u replying to ?
[04:13] <da_bon_bon> gilles_: :) well, grub developers are not.
[04:13] <gilles_> da_bon_bon: ;)
[04:13] <Fator_Dee> umm... not sure anymore myself :-p
[04:13] <Fator_Dee> you asked how to add a space?
[04:13] <Fator_Dee> or do you mean as megs :-)
[04:13] <hayden> when i right click->properties on a file in nautilus the window closes and opens my home directory, anyone know why
[04:13] <Fator_Dee> ok, forget it
[04:14] <da_bon_bon> Fator_Dee: megs...
[04:14] <Fator_Dee> silly me
[04:17] <Quazion> Hi people, i was wondering if there is a way so i can open files from smb shares. Now i keep errors unless i copy the file localy
[04:18] <hayden> Quazion, r u using hoary?
[04:18] <Quazion> no warty
[04:18] <hayden> hmm ok
[04:18] <Quazion> is it fixxed in hoary ?
[04:18] <hayden> dw
[04:18] <hayden> there is an easier way to do it
[04:18] <Quazion> then i will wait a month :)
[04:24] <hayden> when i right click->properties on a file in nautilus the window closes and opens my home directory, anyone know why
[04:24] <Echylo> my ubuntu : http://www.tweaking-gamers.com/forum/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=414
[04:24] <Echylo> isn't he beautiful
[04:24] <Echylo> :p
[04:24] <hayden> whats under the debian menu>
[04:24] <apokryphos> he? The distro is female, surely. :D
[04:24] <Echylo> what?
[04:25] <apokryphos> it's very nice however, yes. :)
[04:25] <Echylo> I'm male
[04:25] <Echylo> :p
[04:25] <Echylo> and under the debian menu
[04:25] <Echylo> is alot of crap
[04:25] <Echylo> I need to delete
[04:25] <hayden> like
[04:25] <apokryphos> Echylo: you are, but your distro [ubuntu]  is surely not :D
[04:26] <Echylo> well
[04:26] <Echylo> your opinion :
[04:26] <Echylo> :)
[04:27] <hayden> how come when i use 'Connect to Server' to connect to a windows smb share, i can't use xmms to play mp3 files from it?
[04:27] <Echylo> btw what do I all need to connect with a windows computer?
[04:27] <Get> Echylo: what music player is it on the shoot?
[04:27] <Echylo> xmms
[04:27] <apokryphos> winamp :P
[04:27] <Echylo> ssst you
[04:27] <Echylo> it's xmms
[04:28] <Echylo> with a theme
[04:28] <Echylo> skin*
[04:28] <apokryphos> xmms is nice, but just not enough power. ;-)
[04:28] <Echylo> called "green with envy"
[04:28] <Echylo> it plays music
[04:28] <Echylo> enough pour moi
[04:28] <apokryphos> which isn't enough, once you have more.
[04:28] <Echylo> what do I need?
[04:29] <Echylo> a monkey who dances on the music?
[04:29] <apokryphos> amaroK :P
[04:29] <apokryphos> That would be nice, but probably a little too much to ask for. Could be a feature suggestion.
[04:29] <Echylo> I need to male'ize my distro then
[04:30] <Echylo> cause mr. apokryphos thinks it's for female
[04:30] <Echylo> women*
[04:30] <apokryphos> not at all
[04:30] <Get> Echylo: k
[04:30] <apokryphos> I said that Ubuntu, the Distribution, is female. She's my baby. ;-)
[04:30] <avallark> thoreauputic: a very fast internet conncetion
[04:31] <Echylo> omg
[04:31] <Echylo> you are strange :p)
[04:31] <apokryphos> heh
[04:32] <Echylo> :)
[04:33] <pseudo> Just curious, how often does ubuntu update packages?
[04:33] <pseudo> I haven't had an actual update using apt in almost a month.
[04:34] <CountDown> Are there any USB<->Serial adapters that work out of the box with Ubuntu (Hoary)?  I found this wiki page http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KeyspanDriverHowto but I'm not willing to recompile my kernel just yet.
[04:34] <apokryphos> pseudo: very often
[04:34] <pseudo> I just want to know if perhaps something might be broken, or if I'm imagining things.
[04:34] <apokryphos> pseudo: have you done sudo apt-get update?
[04:34] <pseudo> Hmm.
[04:34] <pseudo> yes
[04:34] <thoreauputic> pseudo: you are using warty, that's all
[04:34] <HiddenWolf> pseudo: ubuntu warty updates things if there is a security risk only
[04:34] <tranceConscious> what do I have to do with grub to make it boot a windows installation???
[04:35] <CountDown> pseudo: Are there any packages being held back?
[04:35] <tranceConscious> what do I have to do with grub to make it boot a windows installation???
[04:35] <pseudo> CountDown:
[04:35] <pseudo> no
[04:35] <thoreauputic> tranceConscious: please, don't repeat
[04:35] <pseudo> I thought I was running hoary.
[04:35] <pseudo> Lemme check
[04:35] <Hannes_> uhm
[04:35] <apokryphos> My screeny, just for fun: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?s=b45e5ea601396b38fbecde52c8fffe91&p=85429#post85429
[04:35] <pseudo> I jmkight be high
[04:35] <apokryphos> pseudo: cat /etc/issue
[04:35] <BiteMeBill> There was a security update for perl-modules so there should be an update there if they haven't done one in the last couple of days.
[04:35] <Hannes_> my gnome-panel is broke
[04:35] <thoreauputic> pseudo: cat /etc/issue
[04:35] <spades> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#addwindowsentrygrubmenu
[04:35] <Hannes_> or wnck-applet
[04:35] <pseudo> Ubuntu 5.04 "Hoary Hedgehog" Development Branch
[04:36] <apokryphos> pseudo: what version of ubuntu-base do you have running?
[04:36] <apokryphos> you can check in synaptic
[04:36] <thoreauputic> pseudo: if you haven't had updates, either something is broken or you haven't done a reload/ apt-get update
[04:37] <apokryphos> I update around once a week, and you can update more than that and have a few changes.
[04:38] <pseudo> apokryphos: what sub catagory is ubuntu-base in?
[04:38] <apokryphos> Just search for it...
[04:38] <leveldoc> hi ppl - in what way does this preview differ from the finalized version? Should I upgrade now?
[04:38] <pseudo> apokryphos: 0.25
[04:38] <apokryphos> pseudo: that is quite dated, yes.
[04:39] <apokryphos> pseudo: close synaptic, and do a sudo apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:39] <apokryphos> *&& sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:39] <apokryphos> (0.39 is the latest)
[04:40] <CountDown> Has anyone found a better way to use the Keyspan USB-Serial converter than by recompiling the kernel?
[04:40] <apokryphos> leveldoc: you mean how does warty differ from hoary? Many ways. It's the latest version (technically "in developement").
[04:40] <apokryphos> leveldoc: it has all the new stuff, basically.
[04:40] <HiddenWolf> leveldoc: you can upgrade ow, it's pretty stable, but there are still a lot of bugs to fix, so you'll have to put up with a month of heavy updating if you upgrade now
[04:40] <leveldoc> apokryphos, no I meant whether the preview version of hoary differs a lot from the finalized version of 5.04
[04:41] <leveldoc> HiddenWolf, thanks
[04:41] <apokryphos> HiddenWolf: I don't see why; bugs are *very* rare, and it's not compulsory to update.
[04:41] <apokryphos> leveldoc: well, of course; work is constantly being done on it.
[04:41] <ermo^afk> tranceConscious, have you taken a look at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Multiboot-with-GRUB.html
[04:41] <HiddenWolf> apokryphos: there are about 142 release critical bugs that 'have' to be fixed before final hoary.
[04:41] <leveldoc> apokryphos, so would you recommend it if I updated now?
[04:42] <apokryphos> leveldoc: if you've got a decent connection, then sure, why not. When was the last time you updated?
[04:42] <yaaar> word
[04:42] <leveldoc> today. :-)
[04:42] <apokryphos> HiddenWolf: Heh. Nice to know they've shyed away from me.
[04:42] <pseudo> apokryphos: yeah, nothing  ... I mean, I'm not a newb or anything like that, just never seen anything like this before, at first I thought, nah, maybe they just release things at a slower rate ...
[04:43] <queuetue> Is there a respitory I could install rerelease versions of beagle and dashboard from?
[04:43] <blackfeet> hi again
[04:43] <pseudo> apokryphos: Unless Ubuntu has some sort of auto cron job?
[04:43] <apokryphos> pseudo: nothing, as in, things aren't updating?
[04:43] <queuetue> (prerelease, not rerelease)
[04:43] <blackfeet> does anybody know why rhythembox lacks mp3?
[04:43] <leveldoc> blackfeet: I guess patent issues?
[04:43] <pseudo> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[04:43] <pseudo> is 2.10 in ubuntu hoary yet?
[04:43] <apokryphos> does apt-get update do anything/
[04:43] <pseudo> gnome
[04:44] <benjanet> pseudo, yes
[04:44] <pseudo> you know, lemme check the cache ...
[04:44] <leveldoc> so if I want to upgrade, how would I proceed without downloading any ISO images? Can I upgrade via synaptics?
[04:45] <pseudo> yeah, something is broked, I'm going to change repositories, maybe that has something to do with it...
[04:45] <apokryphos> leveldoc: if you have hoary installed, then yes.
[04:45] <apokryphos> pseudo: Yeah. Could you pastebin your sources.list file for me?
[04:45] <leveldoc> apokryphos: thanks. No, I don't (warty). So I need to download the image I guess.
[04:45] <nix000> how on earth can one upgrade to the 2.6.110 kernel on warty whithout going to hoary ? i just tried installing the deb from the hoary repository and it claims initrd tools on warty has to be >= 0.1.75ubuntu2
[04:46] <apokryphos> leveldoc: nope, you don't. :) One sec, I'll get you a link.
[04:46] <blackfeet> leveldoc: i cant beleave that
[04:46] <fgx> leveldoc, you can change your sources.list
[04:46] <leveldoc> ok?
[04:46] <leveldoc> lemme start synaptics...
[04:47] <oly> hi, there i am going to try and install beagle but i would like to know about adding the user_xattr attribute to fstab
[04:47] <yaaar> so, i upgraded to hoary last night. now something about php and/or mysql seems broken. specifically, i had cacti working just fine, but now it gives an error "call to undefined function mysql_connect() in blah...."
[04:47] <leveldoc> ok, I have the sources listed here
[04:47] <oly> doe the file system matter ?
[04:47] <yaaar> wtf? i mean, obviously mysql_connect() should be there...
[04:47] <Hannes_> whow
[04:47] <oly> the example uses ext3
[04:47] <Hannes_> the new ubuntu-theme is nice :P
[04:48] <oly> but all my partitions use resierfs or fat32, so can i still add that attribute safely to those filesystem types ?
[04:49] <apokryphos> leveldoc: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[04:49] <leveldoc> apokryphos: thanks!
[04:50] <apokryphos> np
[04:50] <rapha> Hi all!
[04:51] <rapha> Does Ubuntu apply any patches to the CS4232 sound driver, respectively: DID it apply any for the Warty but not the Hoary kernel?
[04:52] <leveldoc> ok, now a refresh, dist-upgrade, and that's it?
[04:53] <pseudo> thanks guys, apt issue was my own fault, forgot to type "hoary" instead of "warty" in my apt-sources list. *sigh*
[04:53] <yaaar> so, anybody know why i'd suddenly get errors about mysql_connect() being undefined after upgrading warty->hoary?
[04:56] <ermo> blackfeet, I've seen somewhere that you need the gstreamer-mad plugin.
[04:56] <ermo> blackfeet, it may be encumberede by a non-free license.
[04:57] <jdub> no license problems with libmad
[04:57] <jdub> just mp3 patent issues
[04:57] <ermo> jdub, aight
[04:58] <blackfeet> ermo: mh, i've already installed it, cause i read it somwhere
[04:58] <blackfeet> ermo: but it doesn't work
[04:58] <lunitik> Keeps locking up my system :(
[04:59] <rapha> jdub: Do you by any chance know if there's a list online somewhere with all kernel patches that Ubuntu applied in Warty?
[04:59] <GNAM> How can I find "what's new" between Hoary preview and Hoary 6?
[05:00] <lunitik> GNAM: it will just be the updates you have recieved since then..
[05:00] <vidar_> Hi. Is there a way to control the volume of the ESD in "Volume control app" ? i cant control the volume in ubuntu
[05:01] <Telep> back
[05:01] <lunitik> vidar_: its supposed to let you there... PCM...
[05:01] <Ribs> check master volume is high
[05:01] <Telep> just installed from the Kubuntu disc after having a brief adventure with Mepis
[05:01] <Ribs> and nothing is muted
[05:01] <vidar_> lunitik: that only snap's to full or off.
[05:01] <Burgundavia> GNAM: at this point mostly bug fixes
[05:01] <jdub> rapha: in the linux source package? :)
[05:02] <Tux-Rox> Anyone here using Hoary with Evolution / MS Exchange connector?
[05:02] <lunitik> vidar_: thats strange.
[05:02] <rapha> jdub: Well, I'd been hoping for just a list, not the actual patches themselves :-D
[05:02] <vidar_> Nothing is responding in Alsa mixer or the OSS mixer, nothing is muted
[05:02] <lunitik> jdub: congrats on getting 2.10 out the door  :)
[05:03] <Burgundavia> vidar_: if you are running hoary, you should be using esound
[05:03] <jdub> lunitik: thanks, but shed most of your love on the hackers :-)
[05:03] <vidar_> Burgundavia: i have hoary
[05:03] <vidar_> hmm
[05:04] <Burgundavia> vidar_: you might want to try installing esound. It will remove polypaudio. It is going to be removed anyway
[05:04] <vidar_> ok.. tnx. i'll try that
[05:06] <rabbit78_> hi there
[05:07] <rabbit78_> possibly stupid question: why does applications:/// not work anymore in Gnome2.10/Hoary? Did I miss anything?
[05:07] <Xer> hi
[05:08] <jdub> rabbit78_: no, it doesn't work; menu editing was never a supported feature.
[05:08] <Xer> how to link file from bash?
[05:08] <Tux-Rox> Xer, ln -s /usr/local/RealPlay/realplay /usr/bin/realplay
[05:08] <Tux-Rox> Like that
[05:08] <leveldoc> ok, I'm upgrading, cu later
[05:08] <Xer> goood i only need the -s :D
[05:09] <rabbit78_> jdub: no way to edit menus except fiddling in /usr/share/applications?
[05:10] <Burgundavia> rabbit78_: yes
[05:10] <jdub> rabbit78_: and ~/.local/share/applications/ as per the menu spec
[05:10] <rabbit78_> jdub: ah ok, that should be ok
[05:10] <dstevens> hi all: have sony laptop, bash$ spicctrl it returns  /dev/sonypi: No such file or directory, how should i make this device node?.
[05:11] <fgx> Xer, you mean a symbolic link?
[05:11] <nix000> anyone tried running stock kernel 2.6.10 on warty ? do i need initrd tools >= 0.1.75ubuntu2
[05:11] <djp> anybody use mjpegtools?
[05:11] <nix000> or i should say why do i need that ?
[05:12] <xamdm> nix00: why do jou need that ??
[05:12] <hayden> nite ppls
[05:12] <dstevens> sorry command spicctrl -B with any switch returns error.
[05:12] <nix000> xamdm, i tried installing the one on warty and it claimed i needed that
[05:13] <nix000> xamdm, i mean hoary !
[05:13] <Nice> sheesh this live preview of 5.04 is damn impressive
[05:13] <xamdm> nix000: hm, why do jou want to use warty ??
[05:15] <Xer> cannot find /boot/vmlinuz
[05:15] <Xer> why i get this?
[05:15] <Xer> i make link for the file!
[05:16] <nix000> xamdm, oohh noo .. i am on a new laptop. i will have to redo evrything like xorg,ndiswarapper etc ..
[05:17] <fgx> in order to have a correct uprade from warty to hoary, do i have to install all metapack like ubuntu-desktop before upgrading?
[05:17] <xamdm> nix000:  i don't understand jour problem, wih hoary and kernel 2.6.10
[05:18] <fgx> currently i don't have ubuntu-desktop installed
[05:18] <dstevens> right spicctrl say its missing /dev/sonypi so how would create it bash$ mknod /dev/sonypi  major? minor? number help
[05:18] <Xer> Ahem
[05:18] <Xer> can anyone answer me plx?
[05:18] <xamdm> nix000: i have to go....
[05:18] <Xer> can anyone answer me plz?
[05:18] <nix000> xamdm, the only thing i am missing now on warty is acpi it seems very broken !
[05:18] <djp> mjpegtools anybody?
[05:19] <mroth> dstevens: http://usefulinc.com/edd/notes/UbuntuOnSonyVaioTRSeries
[05:20] <mroth> dstevens: short version is you need to modprobe sonypi
[05:20] <Tux-Rox> fgx, change the repo info from warty to hoary, update, upgrade and see if it chooses those as requirements.
[05:21] <vidar_> Don't remember who i talked to 5 min ago, but i have installed esound, but i still vant control the pcm, it snaps to full or off
[05:21] <vidar_> *cant
[05:24] <dstevens> mroth, cheers i now set the brightness, phew can see again, cheers for the link.
[05:24] <fgx> Tux-Rox, thx, ill chack
[05:24] <fgx> check
[05:25] <Xer> why i get this?
[05:25] <Xer> cannot find /boot/vmlinuz
[05:25] <Xer> i make link for the file!
[05:26] <Xer> and i get that error
[05:26] <deFrysk> my mplayerplug-in does not stream because it stops buffering
[05:26] <deFrysk> ideas anyone ?
[05:29] <vidar_> Anyone had problems with the PCM in the volume control app? i can only set it to full or off.
[05:29] <yaaar> hey guys, i'm reading an install howto for a webapp and it says I need 'mysql-devel' installed (in addition to mysql and mysql-server) but i don't see that i've got any packages fitting that description.....anybody know what they're talking about?
[05:29] <fgx> Tux-Rox, it seems it will not install ubuntu-desktop
[05:30] <Tux-Rox> fgx, if I recall, I did that after doing the upgrading. I think it wouldn't hurt to do it either way actually.
[05:31] <raz0> What's the root password for the Hoary daily snapshots?
[05:31] <Tux-Rox> fgx, regardless, upgrading to hoary is well worth it if you are savvy enough to get out of a tough spot now and again.
[05:33] <raz0> If I try to sudo, it asks me for a password. :/
[05:33] <Tux-Rox> raz0, there are no root passwords in Ubuntu since it uses sudo. You can create one if you like.
[05:33] <crypticreign> acpid is using 100% cpu.. when i stop that acpid process and restart it (even after waiting 12 hours) it still uses 100%
[05:33] <yaaar> hey guys, i find that i need my kernel sources installed on this hoary box. it looks like my choices are 2.6.9, 2.6.8, or some 2.4 kernels....but uname -a shows me currently running a 2.6.10 kernel. what should i do? rebuild one of the earlier kernels from source, or just mismatch my sources with my running kernel?
[05:34] <Tux-Rox> raz0, use your user account password.
[05:34] <Xer> how to make link for foldeR?
[05:34] <raz0> Tux-Rox, Ah.. Thanks. :)
[05:34] <Tux-Rox> raz0, no problem, enjoy!
[05:34] <yaaar> Xer; are you asking how to make a symbolic link to another directory, so that cd'ing to that symlink takes you someplace else?
[05:35] <Xer> yes
[05:35] <yaaar> Xer: if so, it's     ln -s <existing directory> <new symlink>
[05:35] <_ale> let me ask a stupid question: how do i change system language after installation?
[05:35] <_ale> can't find any system configuration things
[05:36] <yaaar> does anyone know if it's ok to have my kernel sources mismatched to the actual running kernel version?
[05:36] <Xer> i have folder called linux [linux is the link im trying to make it]  and the folder to link it is /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3-386 , can u tell me how to link them [give me example ] 
[05:36] <Xer> yaaar , its ok
[05:36] <Xer> i have 4 linux sources ;)
[05:36] <Xer> now can u answer me
[05:37] <yaaar> Xer: yeah, it's like this:      ln -s /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3-386 /usr/src/linux
[05:37] <Xer> !!!
[05:37] <Xer> now i found my mistake
[05:37] <Xer> i was doing it like this ln -s /usr/src/linux /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3-386
[05:38] <firdel> is it possible to play iTunes .m4a files with beep-media-player, or some other player ?
[05:38] <Tux-Rox> Xer, I use to do that as well. Once you get use to it, it becomes much easier to remember!
[05:39] <Xer> ok , i added this to my TODO LIST "remmbering ln -s" ;)
[05:39] <Xer> warning: unable to find kernel symbol file at /proc/ksyms
[05:39] <Xer> damn
[05:39] <yaaar> Tux-Rox: yeah, the old sysadmin's saying: "Unix is easy to use, once you memorize a few thousand commands and their attendant options and flags..."
[05:39] <Xer> anyone tryed to make livecd for ubuntu?
[05:39] <Tux-Rox> exactly
[05:40] <Tux-Rox> Xer, you can download it from www.ubuntulinux.com
[05:40] <odeez> Xer: it already exists
[05:40] <Xer> i know
[05:40] <yaaar> Xer: you mean, like the ones they ship?
[05:40] <Xer> im trying to make my own livecd
[05:40] <odeez> Xer: then its pretty much the same process as making a knoppix Cd which is well documented
[05:40] <Xer> [MyOwnLive cD]  haveing office xp and mIRC and others thinges im useing it
[05:41] <Xer> soo now only thinges i need it is to make it ;)
[05:41] <Xer> ...
[05:41] <Xer> knoppix?
[05:41] <crypticreign> Xer: using Crossover Office?
[05:41] <Xer> yes
[05:41] <Xer> geting the config file
[05:41] <Xer> and put it for wine
[05:41] <Xer> and its free without 30 days
[05:41] <Xer> :D
[05:41] <crypticreign> smooth
[05:41] <Xer> good idea isnt it?
[05:41] <Xer> ;D
[05:41] <odeez> Xer: google for docs on creatig a knoppix livecd, but just modify it for ubuntu
[05:42] <Xer> why i cant use slax script?
[05:42] <odeez> Xer: you could
[05:42] <Xer> knoppix need alots of missing files i cant find it for ubuntu :\
[05:42] <odeez> Xer: it was a suggestion
[05:42] <Xer> i need good one
[05:42] <Xer> for useing it
[05:42] <odeez> Xer: and the livecd ubuntu distribute is a knoppix derived Cd
[05:43] <yaaar> if i'm told i need 'perl-CPAN' is there a package that satisfies that? my apt-cache searching doesn't show much that seems to fit.
[05:43] <Xer> i know
[05:43] <Xer> the problem is where i can found all the files for knoppix
[05:43] <Xer> my last problem was
[05:43] <Xer> with python for knoppix
[05:43] <Xer> or wait thats maybe for ibuild
[05:43] <Xer> ;D
[05:44] <yaaar> never mind....i guess if 'perl -MCPAN foo' does what it should, then perl-CPAN is probably installed?
[05:44] <Xer> yaaar , do u  talk to me?
[05:44] <sproingie> CPAN comes with perl
[05:44] <yaaar> oh, it was to anybody really
[05:45] <yaaar> ok....the doc i'm reading (about installing asterisk management portal) tells you to install both perl and perl-CPAN ...but its expected distro isn't ubuntu
[05:45] <sproingie> i dont even see a perl-cpan package
[05:46] <yaaar> me neither
[05:46] <Echylo> what is a good gui burner?
[05:46] <Echylo> besides k3b
[05:46] <crypticreign> Echylo: graveman is excellent
[05:46] <sproingie> cpan comes with perl.  it shouldnt need a package
[05:46] <Echylo> ok
[05:46] <crypticreign> Echylo: its in universe i think
[05:46] <crypticreign> Echylo: simple but pretty gtk2 interface
[05:47] <Echylo> :)
[05:47] <yaaar> sproingie: yeah, got that.....i'm using cpan to install a bunch of stuff already
[05:47] <crypticreign> how do i get a kernel with apm support?
[05:47] <Echylo> simple honors
[05:54] <crypticreign> acpid is using 100% cpu.. when i stop that acpid process and restart it (even after waiting 12 hours) it still uses 100%
[05:54] <nix000> crypticreign, you are on what ?
[05:55] <crypticreign> crimsun: hoary, kernel 10-4
[05:55] <crypticreign> wooh
[05:55] <crypticreign> nix000: hoary, kernel 10-4
[05:55] <nix000> i am about to compile stock 2.6.10 for warty. i am mulling over just moving to hoary.
[05:56] <kent> jdub, I must say that the human theme in Hoary now looks *great* (the human icons are also better than the default icons, except for the wastebascet..).
[05:56] <schasi> nix000: why 2.6.10?
[05:56] <nix000> crypticreign, you have a laptop ? i am just trying to see if we have the same situation here.
[05:56] <jdub> kent: heh
[05:56] <jdub> kent: cool
[05:57] <jdub> kent: yes, trashcan is getting a makeover ;)
[05:57] <nix000> schasi, i am on a laptop and i have to put acpi=off to even boot 2.6.8 which sucks !
[05:57] <crypticreign> nix000: yes i do
[05:57] <schasi> nix000: you are informed that 2.6.11.2 is out?
[05:58] <nix000> schasi, i use the config from hoary ... and i heard a lot of praise for 2.6.10
[05:58] <schasi> k
[05:59] <schasi> What to do if you want to have gnomevfs-mount but have no internet access with linux?
[05:59] <nix000> schasi, i just need something stable to live my life "hapily after"
[06:00] <poxymox> Hi @ll
[06:00] <Seveas> hi
[06:01] <nix000> when i heard i could boot warty by putting acpi=off in the options i did not realize it could be damaging to my laptop due to the fan not being monitored !
[06:01] <djst> is it possible to upgrade to hedgehog from a warty release??
[06:01] <djst> i.e. without a complete reinstall, but using synaptic
[06:01] <schasi> yep
[06:02] <djst> schasi, how?
[06:02] <schasi> Isnt there a faq for this? We have this question quite often here
[06:02] <Alessio> djst, sudo apt-get update && sudp apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:02] <djst> sorry
[06:02] <CountDown> Is there a plan to replace the world icon used for launching Firefox with the actual Firefox icon?  Why use the world icon in the first place?
[06:02] <Alessio> with hoary repository
[06:02] <schasi> Alessio: He wants synaptic
[06:02] <djst> apt-get is allright though
[06:03] <djst> Alessio, that didn't work though
[06:03] <Cius> hello
[06:03] <djst> hmm something with the locale
[06:04] <djst> the warty installation asked me about the keyboard layout and i chose swedish
[06:04] <schasi> CountDown: Yes, very simple. Find a png picture for firefox
[06:04] <Cius> I'm having a problem with something I installed via synaptic, could someone answer a question about permissions for me?
[06:04] <djst> but later on, it asked me again and it said something like "for French, type fr, Spanish, type es etc."
[06:04] <djst> so i guessed "sv" for swedish but the installer doesn't like it
[06:05] <schasi> Then leftclick on the logo, choose properties
[06:05] <schasi> Klick on the logo and choose the new one
[06:05] <Cius> When I try to execute the program I installed, it tells me that permission is denied.  The program I'm trying to execute was in the Multiverse, would this have something to do with it?
[06:05] <CountDown> schasi: I know it's possible, but I'm curious as to why it hasn't been done yet.
[06:06] <Seveas> CountDown, because the developers are fixing the real bugs first
[06:06] <CountDown> Cius: shoot.
[06:06] <hawke_> Is there any gui for gnome-pilot?
[06:06] <schasi> CountDown: I guess you can use another browser then firefox, eg mozilla or the native gnome one
[06:06] <Seveas> Cius, no probably not
[06:06] <schasi> And you will have the same logo for the alternative browser
[06:06] <Seveas> but maybe you neet root privileges
[06:06] <Seveas> Cius, which program is it
[06:06] <schasi> The just wanted to establish a logo for browsing, not for a certain browser
[06:07] <djst> does anyone know where the locale is specified in linux? the keyboard layout, not in gnome but in linux (console)
[06:07] <Cius> Countdown: I used synaptic to install snes9x, but when I created a launcher and double click it, it tells me that permission is denied. I used synaptic under the root terminal to install it too.
[06:07] <schasi> Cius: Has nothing to do with it being in universe normally
[06:08] <CountDown> Cius: Assuming you trust the program not to hork your system, you can try running it from a terminal using sudo.
[06:08] <Cius> I trust it, but how could I get it to run from my launcher?
[06:08] <javiolo> The program 'wget' can not be found or executed
[06:08] <javiolo> Please configure this script by changing the option
[06:08] <javiolo> $fetch_cmd or by installing wget
[06:08] <javiolo> anyone ?
[06:08] <schasi> djst: you can specify your locale in the bashrc iirc. And in Debian it is possible to reconfigure it via reconfiguring console-common... maybe im wrong
[06:09] <Seveas> javiolo, hoary/warty, fresh install, upgrade?
[06:09] <schasi> javiolo: Tried to install wget?
[06:09] <Cius> I tried putting the sudo command in front of the filepath in my launcher's command line but then it didn't do anything, it didn't even give me the error
[06:09] <djst> schasi, when trying to run apt-get, i get the following errors: perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
[06:09] <djst> perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
[06:09] <djst>         LANGUAGE = "sv_SV:sv:en_GB:en",
[06:09] <djst>         LC_ALL = (unset),
[06:09] <djst>         LANG = "en"
[06:09] <djst>     are supported and installed on your system.
[06:09] <javiolo> schasi and seveas its already installed
[06:09] <djst> perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").
[06:09] <djst> locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
[06:09] <djst> locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory
[06:09] <djst> locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory
[06:09] <tizen> Is there a way to enable multiple channels of sound or something? I can't open real player till i close xmms even if it's not playing
[06:09] <Seveas> javiolo, what does `which wget` say??
[06:10] <javiolo> seveas
[06:10] <schasi> djst: What does your nickname stand for btw?
[06:10] <javiolo> javiolo@ubuntu:~ $ sudo nessus-update-plugins
[06:10] <javiolo> The program 'wget' can not be found or executed
[06:10] <javiolo> Please configure this script by changing the option
[06:10] <javiolo> $fetch_cmd or by installing wget
[06:11] <djst> schasi, david johan sebastian tenser, my initials
[06:11] <schasi> Its hard to write. I do not know if ubuntu uses localeconf, try if it does
[06:11] <Seveas> javiolo, what does 'which wget' say??
[06:11] <Seveas> please answer that
[06:12] <javiolo> /usr/bin/wget
[06:12] <Seveas> ok, than edit the nessus-update-plugins script
[06:13] <Seveas> replace 'wget' by '/usr/bin/wget'
[06:13] <djst> root@3k:/etc # locale
[06:13] <djst> locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
[06:13] <djst> locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory
[06:13] <djst> locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory
[06:13] <djst> don
[06:13] <djst> don't know why, but that stops apt-get
[06:13] <Seveas> djst, dpkg --reconfigure locale
[06:13] <Seveas> oslt
[06:14] <Seveas> dpkg-reconfigure locale
[06:14] <schasi> Seveas: dpkg --reconfigure works as well?
[06:14] <Seveas> schnasi, no :)
[06:14] <Seveas> dpkg-reconfigure locales
[06:14] <djst> root@3k:/etc # dpkg-reconfigure locale
[06:14] <djst> perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
[06:14] <djst> perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
[06:14] <djst>         LANGUAGE = "sv_SV:sv:en_GB:en",
[06:14] <djst>         LC_ALL = (unset),
[06:14] <djst>         LANG = "en"
[06:14] <Seveas> the s is important
[06:14] <djst>     are supported and installed on your system.
[06:15] <djst> perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").
[06:15] <schasi> Seveas: tried that on a machine here. Didnt really work or produce anything good
[06:15] <djst> same there, perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
[06:15] <Seveas> djst, does dpkg-reconfigure continue or not?
[06:15] <javiolo> seveas what script do i have to edit?
[06:15] <Seveas> the script called nessus-update-plugins
[06:16] <Seveas> just as the error message says
[06:16] <djst> seveas, here's the full output from the command:
[06:16] <djst> dpkg-reconfigure locales
[06:16] <djst> perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
[06:16] <djst> perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
[06:16] <djst>         LANGUAGE = "sv_SV:sv:en_GB:en",
[06:16] <djst>         LC_ALL = (unset),
[06:16] <djst>         LANG = "en"
[06:16] <djst>     are supported and installed on your system.
[06:16] <djst> perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").
[06:16] <djst> locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
[06:16] <djst> locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory
[06:16] <djst> locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory
[06:16] <djst> /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: locales is broken or not fully installed
[06:16] <schasi> Seveas: Does ubuntu have localeconf?
[06:16] <schasi> or fonty?
[06:16] <djst> no
[06:16] <djst> not fonty either
[06:16] <djst> damn
[06:17] <djst> another problem: i can install warty, but not hoary
[06:17] <schasi> Even not in universe?
[06:17] <schasi> how comes?
[06:17] <djst> in hoary, it seems to think i have scsi drivers
[06:17] <djst> disks i mean
[06:17] <javiolo> agh how do i edit it
[06:17] <schasi> Do you have a scsi controller perhaps?
[06:17] <djst> and when formatting the hard drives, it complains about bad sectors and errors
[06:18] <schasi> You could try to pass the installer some no scsi commands
[06:18] <djst> i certainly don't have anything related to scsi in my hard drive
[06:18] <Seveas> djst, schasi, ubuntu HAS localeconf
[06:18] <schasi> Could be the wrong driver loaded
[06:18] <djst> Seveas, ok sorry.
[06:18] <schasi> Just guessing wildly here btw
[06:18] <javiolo> seveas agh how do i edit it
[06:18] <schasi> thx Seveas i dont use ubu here
[06:18] <djst> schasi, it thinks i have scsi disks, but it successfully discovers the partitions and i'm able to choose which partitions to format, but it hangs during formatting
[06:19] <schasi> Is there something like packages.debian.org for ubuntu?
[06:19] <Seveas> javiolo, sudo gedit `which nessus-update-plugins`
[06:19] <djst> when formatting the exact same partition in warty ubuntu, it works...
[06:19] <Seveas> don't forget the backticks!
[06:19] <travail101> any chance of getting linux-wlan-ng added to the live and install CDs?
[06:19] <tseng> schasi: http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
[06:19] <schasi> Strange thing
[06:19] <travail101> maybe even with sutomatice setup scripts
[06:19] <djst> in warty, my disk is called /dev/hda, but in hedgehog it's called /dev/sc0 or something
[06:19] <schasi> I would just do a update to hoary then djst
[06:19] <schasi> thx tseng
[06:19] <schasi> l8er
[06:19] <Seveas> travail101, ask on #ubuntu-devel
[06:20] <djst> schasi, yes, that's what i watned to try
[06:20] <dazed> who can help me log into a linux system via a windows system?
[06:20] <djst> schasi, but as i said, it complains about my locale :(
[06:20] <Seveas> djst, try the latest version of hoary (from this afternoon), that solves the problem
[06:20] <dazed> over a lan
[06:20] <travail101> dazed, ssh?
[06:20] <djst> Seveas, this scsi problem is a known problem in the early test builds?
[06:20] <Seveas> yes
[06:21] <Seveas> (if it is the problem i think it is)
[06:21] <djst> Seveas, great! thanks, that's what i wanted to know!
[06:21] <travail101> dazed, do you have the openssh-client?
[06:21] <djst> Seveas, i'll burn the dcd and try
[06:21] <Seveas> dazed, download putty and ssh to your linux machine
[06:21] <djst> Seveas, what problem do you think it is then? any link i can read about it?
[06:21] <Myrtti> eeeeehhh..
[06:21] <Seveas> if it is an ubuntu machine: first install openssh-server on the ubuntu machine
[06:22] <Seveas> djst, I don't know the details, but there are some builds where scsi disks have odd names
[06:22] <crypticreign> uh oh.. just upgraded to kernel 2.6.10-25, the kernel starts to boot and says "/sbin/init: 428: cannot open dev/console:No such FIle   Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init"
[06:22] <djst> Seveas, but the problem is that i'm not having scsi disks at all but the hoary test release i tried thinks i have
[06:22] <mz2> eaargh... is there any solution to the nasty bug in nautilus which causes the connect to server thing to not work properly (it complains about there being nothing associated for opening the created vfs volume, and then once you open it up manually it works nicely)
[06:23] <javiolo> seveas thanks
[06:23] <djst> Seveas, and in the warty release, it correctly identified my disk as /dev/hda, not/dev/sc-something
[06:23] <Seveas> djst, same problem
[06:23] <Seveas> :)
[06:23] <djst> Seveas, great! thanks again then!
[06:24] <crypticreign> and i cannot boot into rescue mod :'(
[06:24] <crypticreign> same error
[06:24] <Seveas> crypticreign, what error?
[06:24] <Burn`> I want to use software soundmixing, what is the device to send sound to?
[06:25] <crypticreign> Seveas: uh oh.. just upgraded to kernel 2.6.10-25, the kernel starts to boot and says "/sbin/init: 428: cannot open dev/console:No such FIle   Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init"
[06:25] <Seveas> oh sorry, see it already..
[06:25] <javiolo> djst how its vidalinux?
[06:25] <djst> javiolo, it's the best distro i've installed so far
[06:25] <Burn`> I have an nforce2 chipset, want to use teamspeak and other prog simultanious
[06:25] <Seveas> crypticreign, the revert to your old kernerl :)
[06:25] <javiolo> djst better than ubuntu ? :P  Never heard taht
[06:25] <crypticreign> Seveas: how?
[06:26] <djst> javiolo, here's a review i wrote: http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/djst/archives/007427.html
[06:26] <Seveas> just boot your old kernel
[06:26] <crypticreign> Seveas: thats the only one i have listed
[06:26] <djst> javiolo, i also reviewed ubuntu, but i didn't like the warty release.... but i want to try hoary too, which is why i'm going to burn the preview release now
[06:26] <Seveas> have you deleted the other one already crypticreign?
[06:26] <crypticreign> no i havent deleted anything
[06:27] <Seveas> that's really strange
[06:27] <crypticreign> hmm its actually listed as 2.6.10-4 under grub
[06:27] <Seveas> oh
[06:27] <Seveas> even stranger
[06:27] <Seveas> sounds like some debconf script didn't do its job right
[06:28] <Seveas> do you know how to use the grub commandline?
[06:29] <javiolo> agh, im happy with warty but ill try vidalinux
[06:29] <drspin> anyone need a website built?
[06:29] <deFrysk> javiolo, you'll like vidalinux
[06:29] <zenrox> drspin, please??
[06:30] <crypticreign> Seveas: somewhat
[06:30] <javiolo> is there something similiar on vidalinux like synaptic ?
[06:30] <deFrysk> porthole
[06:30] <deFrysk> a gui for portage
[06:30] <Seveas> crypticreign, try booting your old kernel via the grub commandline
[06:30] <njs12345> hmm
[06:30] <javiolo> and works well ?
[06:30] <deFrysk> yup
[06:30] <crypticreign> Seveas: ok, with that command?
[06:30] <njs12345> when I launch rhythmbox now and try to play my music I just get a popping sound
[06:30] <deFrysk> a full fledged gentoo for the lazy
[06:31] <tseng> guys, note the channel is #ubuntu
[06:31] <drspin> zenrox: LOL -- is that a yes?
[06:31] <drspin> ;)
[06:31] <zenrox> drspin,  msgmen
[06:31] <travail101> gentoo =D
[06:31] <zenrox> drspin,  msg me
[06:31] <Seveas> try: root(hd0,0)
[06:31] <crypticreign> Seveas: its the only kernel listed
[06:31] <deFrysk> javiolo, just dont get confused when the install seems to stall its compiling the kernel in that time
[06:31] <travail101> just hearing that word makes me smile =P
[06:31] <Seveas> (or whatever your root is)
[06:32] <njs12345> which is strange, because playing via gst-launch (gst-launch-0.8 filesrc location=27.flac ! flacdev ! esdsink) works fine
[06:32] <Seveas> kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.10-24
[06:32] <tizen> hey guys, burning an audio cd with hoary... What do you guys use?
[06:32] <Seveas> etc...
[06:32] <javiolo> deFrysk my ubuntu has one week or more ill wait some days :) or install it on another drive
[06:32] <Seveas> food*
[06:33] <crypticreign> Seveas: nope
[06:33] <Burn`> how can I use esound and teamspeak?
[06:33] <travail101> gnome-baker =D
[06:33] <crypticreign> Seveas: still panics
[06:33] <missmarple> anybody here who has knowledge about hotplugging?
[06:34] <dead|shell> you trying to get usb to work missmarple
[06:34] <missmarple> dead|shell: no i have problem with firmware loading to my wifi card
[06:34] <missmarple> its very strange
[06:35] <dead|shell> ah sorry no wifi here i got wired
[06:35] <missmarple> hotplugging cannot load the firmware to the card when my notebook runs on battery, when it runs on powerplug, everythings fine, firmware loads and wifi works
[06:35] <Burn`> how can I use esound and teamspeak?
[06:36] <avdyk> hi
[06:36] <avdyk> is gdm available in ubuntu 'hoary' on ppc?
[06:36] <lunitik> avdyk: uhh... yeah
[06:37] <Myrtti> ppc?
[06:37] <avdyk> lunitik: unable to find it :'(
[06:37] <javiolo> deFrysk any live cd for vidalinux ?
[06:37] <deFrysk> javiolo, nope
[06:37] <avdyk> lunitik: I also got bizare conflicts with nautilus-media :'(
[06:38] <avdyk> also, I have to say I'm trying to upgrade hoary in a debian chroot
[06:38] <deFrysk> javiolo, its an anaconda installer setting it up , asif you were installing fedora
[06:38] <avdyk> I mean from debian, I created a chroot to install ubuntu
[06:38] <dazed> are putty and ssh clients available through apt-get
[06:38] <javiolo> deFrysk never installed Fedora...
[06:38] <goldfish> putty is a windows program dazed
[06:39] <deFrysk> javiolo, also some knowlege of gentoo wil come in handy
[06:39] <goldfish> dazed: type ssh from command line
[06:39] <avdyk> dazed: you don't need putty, but ssh client and server are available throw apt-get
[06:39] <deFrysk> for updating and stuff
[06:39] <lunitik> avdyk: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gdm/  <-- powerpc.deb
[06:39] <dazed> seveas told me to get it for my linux machine
[06:39] <goldfish> dazed: lol
[06:39] <Mad-boy> Hello everybody
[06:39] <deFrysk> javiolo, anaconda is an easy to use graphical installer
[06:39] <dazed> i have putty on my windows machine
[06:39] <goldfish> dazed: ssh should work from terminal
[06:39] <dazed> but i dunno how to use it
[06:39] <spiral> hi
[06:39] <javiolo> defrysk dont know anything about gentoo
[06:39] <javiolo> :P
[06:39] <goldfish> it is not a linux program dazed
[06:39] <rapha> Hey, does somebody know a good command line music player that can play mp3 AND ogg?
[06:39] <deFrysk> then go to the vidalinuxwebsite and start reading ;)
[06:40] <avdyk> lunitik: thanks, I'll try to install from this
[06:40] <jdub> rapha: mplayer can...
[06:40] <goldfish> dazed: you should have ssh already on ubuntu
[06:40] <dazed> oh ok...well what ssh  client should i get?
[06:40] <crypticreign> anyone else?  just upgraded to kernel 2.6.10-25, the kernel starts to boot and says "/sbin/init: 428: cannot open dev/console:No such FIle   Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init"
[06:40] <Mad-boy> does ubuntu supports ati radeon 7000 video card?
[06:40] <goldfish> dazed: try typing ssh in a terminal
[06:40] <dazed> let me check
[06:40] <njs12345> rapha: If you're leet you can use gst-launch ;)
[06:40] <Mad-boy> because i have 60hz display refresh rate
[06:40] <dazed> ok it returned some stuff goldfish
[06:40] <Mad-boy> so my eyes hurt
[06:40] <goldfish> you have it then dazed
[06:40] <dazed> usage
[06:40] <lunitik> rapha: mpg123
[06:41] <deFrysk> ogg123
[06:41] <goldfish> dazed: usage?
[06:41] <dazed> ok...what do i do with it..this is REALLY new to me...i just got done learning windows networking now im on to linux lol
[06:41] <goldfish> oh right
[06:41] <dazed> it returned some usage commands
[06:41] <goldfish> dazed: What are you ssh'ing to?
[06:41] <gustav_> dazed: ssh login@server
[06:41] <dazed> i want to link up to my windows computer
[06:41] <TFP> I LOVE  UBUNTU !!!
[06:42] <zenrox> dazed,  do a ssh user@ip
[06:42] <dazed> so i can trade files back and forth
[06:42] <goldfish> i see
[06:42] <Mad-boy> does ubuntu supports ati radeon 7000 video card?
[06:42] <missmarple> rapha: mp3blaster
[06:42] <lunitik> rapha: music123  8)
[06:42] <det> Mad-boy, You may have to set your monitor refresh rates manually, I had to
[06:42] <Tux-Rox> TFP, that's the usual reaction people have...
[06:42] <goldfish> dazed: from the linux to windows?
[06:42] <mjr> Mad-boy, it should
[06:42] <goldfish> dazed: or other way around?
[06:42] <det> Mad-boy, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:42] <Mad-boy> ok thx
[06:42] <Mad-boy> il try
[06:42] <styx2005> i have no startup sound anymore in hoary neither in tuxracer for example. mp3 and movies work with sound.
[06:42] <dazed> well i can get windows files using my linux machine by mounting the folder
[06:42] <njs12345> gst-launch-0.8 filesrc location=<myfile> ! {flacdec|vorbisfile} ! {osssink|alsasink|esdsink}
[06:43] <Tux-Rox> TFP, goto www.cafepress.com and buy an Ubuntu bumper sticker to tell the whole workld!
[06:43] <dazed> but i want to get linux stuff onto my windows machine
[06:43] <TFP> Tux-Rox: I will
[06:43] <goldfish> dazed: u need to get sshd from apt-get
[06:43] <rapha> missmarple: thx!
[06:43] <zenrox> dazed,  read www.ubuntuguide.com for samba set up
[06:43] <Burn`> how can I use esound and teamspeak?
[06:43] <Tux-Rox> TFP, I've got mine!
[06:43] <dazed> ok 1 sec
[06:43] <Burn`> common
[06:43] <Burn`> answer someone
[06:43] <Burn`> :p
[06:43] <Mad-boy> how many partitions i need to install ubuntu to hdd?
[06:43] <Burn`> Mad-boy: 3
[06:43] <zenrox> dazed,  for a network set up
[06:43] <deFrysk> Mad-boy, 1
[06:43] <kevin_> hi, i get this XFREE error when i start Ubuntu with GNOME
[06:44] <Mad-boy> so 1 or 3?
[06:44] <Burn`> Mad-boy: best is 3, can be 1
[06:44] <Mad-boy> oh
[06:44] <lunitik> dazed: apt-get install openssh-server and get putty for the windows machine.
[06:44] <gustav_> Mad-boy: I use 2
[06:44] <Burn`> with swap and boot separated
[06:44] <Mad-boy> what file system shoul it be?
[06:44] <Tux-Rox> Mad-boy, I do a /, a /boot and a /home. Don't forget a swap part as well.
[06:44] <deFrysk> Mad-boy, one / one swap (2xram)
[06:44] <njs12345> Burn`: actually, you only strictly need 1
[06:44] <Burn`> yep
[06:44] <Burn`> :)
[06:44] <Xappe> zenrox, he could use sftp with putty on his win machine perhaps? easier...
[06:44] <Burn`> njs12345: without swap?
[06:44] <dazed> goldfish: apt-cache search returned no exact 'sshd' , and zenrox i read the samba guide i can already get windows files onto my linux machine
[06:44] <njs12345> yup
[06:44] <njs12345> swap file
[06:44] <CiRuS> for linux stuff on windows check out http://sourceforge.net/projects/ext2fsd
[06:44] <styx2005> i have no startup sound anymore in hoary neither in tuxracer for example. mp3 and movies work with sound.
[06:44] <Burn`> hmm
[06:45] <deFrysk> if you have plenty ram no swap is needen
[06:45] <kevin_> i get: Error activating XKB configuration at starting GNOME, can anyone help me plz?
[06:45] <deFrysk> needed
[06:45] <goldfish> dazed: ssh-d
[06:45] <Tux-Rox> Mad-boy, having a seperate /home means if you install a different distro, you keep your data files.
[06:45] <dazed> lunitik: i have putty on my windows dont know how to use it one bit
[06:45] <njs12345> deFrysk: If you have a lot of ram a swapfile is a very good idea
[06:45] <Burn`> how can I use esound and teamspeak, it doesn't work
[06:45] <goldfish> dazed: or something, search for ssh in synaptic :)
[06:45] <njs12345> rather than a swap partition
[06:45] <dazed> i hate synaptic
[06:45] <lunitik> dazed: uh... its not hard  :/
[06:45] <Tux-Rox> Mad-boy, Not that after Ubuntu you'd want something else.....
[06:45] <ggeecko> where can i find docs on doing a bootsplash
[06:45] <dazed> its poo
[06:45] <dazed> i like the terminal commands apt-get
[06:45] <StoneX> hello guys
[06:45] <dazed> lol
[06:45] <deFrysk> njan, I once accidentily installed linux without swap , worked fine for normal usage
[06:45] <goldfish> dazed: oh right, i think it is ssh-d
[06:46] <njs12345> a swapfile is slower than a swap partition, but it doesn't take up any space when you're not using it :)
[06:46] <kevin_> i get: Error activating XKB configuration at starting GNOME, can anyone help me plz?
[06:46] <styx2005> how can i enable polypsound?
[06:46] <njs12345> which is ideal if only swap very occasionally
[06:46] <chantry> I thought ubuntu would be nice for my sister, but I guess I was wrong. Everything is borken, and she doesnt stop complaining. Totem doesnt work, muine doesnt work, rhythmbox doesnt work. Really impressive
[06:46] <StoneX> are there some things ubuntu can do which doesn t work on debian?
[06:46] <chantry> StoneX, yes it can be borken
[06:46] <deFrysk> StoneX, xorg
[06:47] <apokryphos> kde 3.4
[06:47] <deFrysk> yes
[06:47] <deFrysk> a sweet kde i must say
[06:47] <lunitik> deFrysk: with most computers having 512 - 1024 megs of RAM... 2 x RAM is not a good rule anymore anyway.
[06:47] <kevin_> Can anyone help me please !?
[06:47] <deFrysk> lunitik, true
[06:47] <StoneX> donesn t it work on debian?
[06:47] <lunitik> deFrysk: I noticed very little difference... other than some pretty graphics  :;/
[06:47] <zenrox> xappe but it be easer to share the /home/user and move thangs back and forth
[06:47] <travail101> how do you make the system broadcast for DHCP in the background like most modern liveCD do these days?
[06:47] <kotatsu> I run swapless on both machines I own (512 and 1024)... I have yet to run into a problem on either one
[06:47] <StoneX> even if i install it myself?
[06:48] <kevin_> i get: Error activating XKB configuration at starting GNOME, can anyone help me plz?
[06:48] <tritium> kotatsu, so you can't suspend to disk on those swapless machines...
[06:48] <chantry> any suggestion besides uninstalling this thing ?
[06:48] <kotatsu> the 512 (laptop) rarely gets above 200 mb "real" usage (-buffers/cache) and the desktop generally doesn't top 300
[06:48] <lunitik> deFrysk: there is a difference between 'not packaged for' and 'not working on'... Xorg works fine on Debian.
[06:48] <kotatsu> tritium: nope
[06:48] <dazed> god i love the shared 56k through 3  computers lol
[06:48] <goldfish> haha
[06:48] <zenrox> lol
[06:49] <tritium> chantry, did you install Hoary preview or Warty?
[06:49] <styx2005> polypsound does not work in my new hoary system.
[06:49] <kotatsu> lunitik: if you're a masochist
[06:49] <lunitik> deFrysk: Ubuntu *IS* Debian Sid, with a few extra things... like update-manager etc
[06:49] <chantry> tritium, hoary, the one just before preview I think
[06:49] <kevin_> i get: Error activating XKB configuration at starting GNOME, can anyone help me plz?
[06:50] <tritium> chantry, you know that's a development release?  If you want things to "just work" maybe stick to stable, such as Warty.
[06:50] <deFrysk> lunitik, I think ubuntu is better maintained then debian and also much more progressive
[06:50] <chantry> lunitik, sid is 1000x more stable than ubuntu as far as I can see
[06:50] <lunitik> kotatsu: eh... no... I just used the Ubuntu X debs on Debian  :/
[06:50] <dazed> once i get openssh-server what do i do now lunitik?
[06:50] <tritium> chantry, nonsense
[06:50] <TFP> how can i look if my ssh-d is running?
[06:50] <lunitik> deFrysk: negative... hoary is behind sid in most every case.
[06:50] <dazed> and goldfish still couldnt find anythign close to ssh-d tried in synaptic too closest thing was ssh-d webmin
[06:51] <lunitik> dazed: start it?
[06:51] <goldfish> dazed: type in ssh in synaptic
[06:51] <lunitik> dazed: read the docs in /usr/share/docs/openssh-server
[06:51] <kotatsu> lunitik: haven't tried that. I did run Xorg on Debian for a while (before switching to Ubuntu) and it _really_ sucked... apt is there for a reason hehe
[06:51] <dazed> command line openssh-server doesnt start it
[06:51] <dazed> ok lunitik
[06:51] <kotatsu> lunitik: compiling xorg is generally un-fun
[06:52] <lunitik> kotatsu: eh... I didn't compile it...  :/
[06:52] <tritium> behind sid?  no...
[06:52] <lunitik> tritium: yes... by about a week in most cases.
[06:52] <lunitik> eh... no... like a few days though...
[06:52] <dazed> lol goldfish: i must be doing something wrong hahah cuz im seeing nothing of ssh-d
[06:52] <tritium> Not that I've seen
[06:52] <lunitik> we get most packages from sid.
[06:53] <dazed> i found ssh
[06:53] <dazed> and im installin that
[06:53] <goldfish> dazed: sorry, i am not in linux now, nah u have ssh its openssh -server
[06:53] <chantry> I'm alone to have troubles with ubuntu ? I really don't see what I could have done to break everything like that. Its a fresh install
[06:53] <goldfish> or something
[06:53] <lunitik> dazed: read the docs.
[06:53] <goldfish> wait a second
[06:53] <crypticreign> can the install cd be used as a rescue cd?
[06:53] <kotatsu> I've found hoary to be at least as up-to-date as sid, usually moreso... GNOME gets in there faster since ubuntu doesn't have to deal with the "Sarge is coming Real Soon(tm)!" crap
[06:53] <dazed> ok
[06:53] <panich> sorry for interrupting you... I have just one question: do you know if ubuntu support SATA HD?
[06:53] <dazed> well i got openssh -server
[06:53] <dazed> i got that
[06:53] <goldfish> k
[06:53] <dazed> im reading up on it now
[06:53] <dazed> thanks
[06:54] <lunitik> dazed: pay peticular notice to the three services you have to start.
[06:54] <Traxtopel> anyone here have knowledge of the bootstrap on ppc
[06:55] <travail101> lamont, k
[06:55] <kotatsu> lunitik: why?
[06:55] <lunitik> Lucky bastard got a Dual G5  :(
[06:55] <lamont> travail101: kinda ot in the other...
[06:55] <kotatsu> I'd switch to mac too =P
[06:55] <lunitik> kotatsu: cuz, he started writing Linux for an old 486 PC... I don't know, just funny.
[06:55] <dazed> lunitik no such file or directory as /usr/share/docs/openssh-server
[06:55] <lamont> what I pasted was the complete entry I have for eth0 on my laptop
[06:56] <lunitik> kotatsu: I would too, if they donated one to me like they did him
[06:56] <kotatsu> I wonder where he got the Mac from
[06:56] <lunitik> dazed: umm... there has to be... 'dpkg -L openssh-server | grep doc'
[06:56] <kotatsu> <conspiracy theory>maybe IBM is trying to extend their reach even further!</conspiracy theory>
[06:56] <travail101> lamont, is /etc/network/interfaces anything like /etc/conf.d/net?
[06:57] <lamont> travail101: that basically tells ifup to run mii-tool eth0 before bringing up the interface.  if grep doesn't find 'link ok', then it'll exit non-zero, and the ifup will fail
[06:57] <lamont> uh, prolly
[06:57] <dazed> ok they were somewhere else...do i want the readme?
[06:57] <chantry> nobody is running hoary here?
[06:57] <lunitik> travail101: other than it's used for basically the same thing? no
[06:57] <dazed> or overview
[06:57] <kotatsu> chantry: I am, why?
[06:57] <goldfish> try both :)
[06:57] <lunitik> dazed: you want everything until you learn how to use it.
[06:57] <chantry> it isnt broken?
[06:57] <lamont> travail101: I've used debian, ubuntu, and (under duress and constant cursing at things being in the wrong place) redhat occasionally
[06:58] <travail101> lamont, ever used gentoo?
[06:58] <lamont> chantry: I'm runing it...
[06:58] <lamont> travail101: hell no.
[06:58] <lunitik> travail101: no one uses Gentoo
[06:58] <lamont> life is too short to build everything all the time
[06:58] <kotatsu> chantry: broken? no, in what way?
[06:58] <travail101> i do
[06:58] <lamont> lunitik: they build gentoo, not use it.. :)
[06:58] <dazed> lol
[06:58] <chantry> kotatsu, all
[06:58] <pseudo> Anyone know where I can find documentation on disabling gpg-signing with apt, so I can install "non-ubuntu" packages using apt?
[06:58] <lunitik> lamont: exactly.
[06:58] <travail101> lamont, --usepkg
[06:58] <dazed> im lazy and i got class to goto im just trying to get it to work
[06:58] <dazed> then ill learn it
[06:58] <pseudo> or know of a quick way how?
[06:58] <travail101> set a package repository in /etc/make.conf
[06:59] <zenrox> pseudo,  add the key
[06:59] <kotatsu> chantry: going to have to be more specific, heh... if you can boot the kernel, or even get to the grub screen then *something* works =P
[06:59] <travail101> anyway
[06:59] <lunitik> travail101: go to #gentoo if you want to talk about that waste of time.
[06:59] <crypticreign> does apt-get work correctly when bootin from cd and using chroot ?
[06:59] <travail101> I need to figure out how to do this on Gentoo
[06:59] <goldfish> dazed: when u install the openssh-server it just runs
[06:59] <zenrox> pseudo,  but i dont know how look on the forums
[06:59] <lunitik> travail101: else shut up
[06:59] <chantry> kotatsu, ho yes, its great
[06:59] <lamont> travail101: never really saw the point..  building things from scratch helps in about 3 applications that I care about, and they already tune for the processors in question.
[06:59] <goldfish> dazed: then from windows, use putty to connec to it
[06:59] <lamont> lunitik: don't be mean...
[06:59] <goldfish> *connect
[06:59] <travail101> lunitik, they never know how to set it up, i asked the Ubuntu devs cause the liveCD has the feature i want, and they sent me to #ubuntu
[06:59] <lunitik> lamont: bah... I don't want to hear about Gentoo.
[06:59] <chantry> lamont, at least gentoo works
[07:00] <travail101> lunitik, i asked in #knoppix and they're all AFK
[07:00] <pseudo> zenrox: are the keys different for apt than regular pgp?
[07:00] <lamont> travail101: armed with the info that you want to basically surround the entire interface config effort with 'if mii-tool eth0 | grep -q 'link ok'; then ....; fi', you should be able to get an answer on #gentoo
[07:00] <scaroo> hi ppl, does any of you succeed to use his ipod with Rhythmbox ? the ipod librarie stays empty whether the ipod is plugged or not ...
[07:00] <kotatsu> chantry: ubuntu warty works wonderfully... hoary is a use-at-your-own-risk thing
[07:00] <zenrox> pseudo,  ask them to provied you with a proper key then
[07:00] <lamont> chantry: what doesn't work about hoary for you>?
[07:00] <desrt> hello linux dudes
[07:00] <desrt> 2 questions:
[07:00] <kotatsu> lamont: "everything" heh
[07:00] <cyklus> yeah! preview is out :)
[07:00] <desrt> 1) is there any benifit in waiting until april to install hoary?
[07:01] <travail101> lamont, thanx, i'll see if I get any bites on that
[07:01] <chantry> lamont, and you don't have to install a lot of useless dep with the USE system. but it's still a waste of time, I agree
[07:01] <desrt> 2) can i install it without a cdrom drive?
[07:01] <chantry> lamont, totem, muine and rhythmbox
[07:01] <crypticreign> does apt-get work correctly when bootin from cd and using chroot ?
[07:01] <kotatsu> desrt: 1) Yes, you get a stable system until April
[07:01] <lunitik> desrt: no, probably not
[07:01] <kotatsu> desrt: 2) yes, if you're running warty already
[07:01] <schasi> re
[07:01] <tseng> 2) you can netboot also
[07:01] <desrt> i'm using gentoo right now
[07:02] <desrt> i have a firewire cdrom drive that linux is OK with but my BIOS doesn't support booting from
[07:02] <lamont> chantry: rhythmbox works here...
[07:02] <djp> any mjpegtools users here?
[07:02] <lamont> make sure you're pointing at the right sound device
[07:02] <desrt> lunitik; please stop being a jerk
[07:02] <kotatsu> desrt: you can probably do some sort of PXE thing to get it running then, dunno... won't be fun though =D
[07:02] <zenrox> desrt,  then you can make a boot disk floppy and boot from that
[07:02] <goldfish> lunitik: use irssi
[07:02] <goldfish> and u can do it
[07:02] <lunitik> desrt: its a legit question damnit
[07:03] <desrt> is there any way i can download the .iso and loopback mount it (chroot, maybe) and trick it into thinking that i just cd booted?
[07:03] <lunitik> goldfish: eh, I don't really want to use a cli irc client....
[07:03] <goldfish> :)
[07:03] <desrt> zenrox; no floppy drive either :P
[07:03] <kotatsu> chantry: all of those apps work for me... what doesn't work about them? they don't load? they don't play?
[07:03] <travail101> i have a friend who can't get giftui to work in ubuntu
[07:03] <zenrox> desrt,  got another pc
[07:03] <desrt> zenrox; ya.  i do.
[07:03] <zenrox> desrt,  on the network
[07:03] <desrt> several
[07:03] <schasi> quite full in here, and quite busy
[07:03] <goldfish> it is schasi
[07:03] <djp> has anybody here been able to create a vcd or svcd under ubuntu?
[07:03] <apokryphos> schasi: always room for more :P
[07:04] <travail101> but thanx to gentoo I could send him the new network plugins compiled for his system, and he can use the not as cool giFToxic for the time being
[07:04] <kotatsu> desrt: maybe... anyone know if you can debootstrap from another OS if you install debootstrap? haven't tried it, but I don't know why it wouldn't if you set it up correctly
[07:04] <zenrox> desrt, might be able to boot the box with network boot and boot off the remote drive
[07:04] <dazed> hey goldfish: im on putty whats my host name??? and what do i login as...my linux username?
[07:04] <schasi> apokryphos: I dont think so, im getting confused with so many ppl
[07:04] <desrt> i have a gentoo box and a freebsd box
[07:04] <zenrox> desrt, network boot in the bios
[07:04] <goldfish> dazed: host name is the ip address
[07:04] <desrt> hmm.
[07:05] <goldfish> dazed: yeah, linux user and pass
[07:05] <zenrox> desrt,  google could be your friend too
[07:05] <apokryphos> schasi: might take time ;-)
[07:05] <desrt> ! good call!
[07:05] <desrt> i'll check that shit out :)
[07:05] <dazed> ip addr show ...shows me to ips i think that inet is the one i want?
[07:05] <zenrox> lol
[07:05] <schasi> apokryphos: Thats not it, im used to, as i am chatting for some time now. But its too crowded for my liking
[07:05] <goldfish> dazed: emmm
[07:05] <goldfish> dazed: u have 2 pc's yeah?
[07:05] <apokryphos> schasi: whatever blows your hair back :P
[07:05] <schasi> apokryphos: I mean i can cope it but i would like it even more if it werent so crowded
[07:06] <dazed> its either inet or brd
[07:06] <dazed> i dunno what either of those mean
[07:06] <Coily> every morning at 6:25 my computer goes active (i believe someone told me it was the slocate command?) anyways after its done i get an email in my spool giving me a warning about a dangling symlink from "Cron Daemon"
[07:06] <dazed> i have a laptop and my linux pc
[07:06] <zenrox> schasi,  thare are other channels
[07:06] <goldfish> dazed: how many pc's u got?
[07:06] <javiolo> any vidalinux user
[07:06] <schasi> zenrox: like?
[07:06] <Coily> anyone got an idea what i should do?
[07:06] <zenrox> schasi, #ubuntuforums
[07:06] <dazed> 1
[07:06] <zenrox> pretty quiet in thare tho
[07:06] <goldfish> dazed: well, that wont work
[07:07] <goldfish> dazed: u cant connect to the ssh server if linux isnt running
[07:07] <dazed> well i have a laptop
[07:07] <dazed> connected to the pc
[07:07] <dazed> and then my roomates pc
[07:07] <goldfish> ok
[07:07] <goldfish> cool
[07:07] <dazed> my laptop is windows my pc is linux
[07:07] <dazed> im connecting laptop to pc
[07:07] <zenrox> schasi,  might not get a response but you can allways bring a friend ;)
[07:07] <goldfish> ok
[07:07] <sri_> desrt: what you probably want is to create another partition and install on that.
[07:07] <goldfish> dazed: on the linux one, go to www.whatismyip.org
[07:07] <apokryphos> schasi: and #kubuntu and #ubuntu-devel and others, depending on what you're looking for, but yes, this is the general channel.
[07:08] <desrt> that's exactly what i was thinking!
[07:08] <dazed> ok im ine
[07:08] <sri_> desrt: heh
[07:08] <javiolo> any vidalinux user
[07:08] <dazed> in
[07:08] <dazed> lol
[07:08] <dazed> i figured it out
[07:08] <dazed> it shows me my command line
[07:08] <desrt> gentoo is definitely going to be sticking around for a while
[07:08] <dazed> on my windows pc
[07:08] <dazed> lol thats COOL!
[07:08] <sri_> desrt: you can do an inline install like that, but I don't remember offhand how to do that.
[07:08] <desrt> i need to make sure all you ubuntu crazies aren't just hopped up on crack
[07:08] <goldfish> dazed: yeah :)
[07:08] <schasi> apokryphos: I do not even have ubuntu installed for usage atm
[07:08] <desrt> sri; i'm gonna force jdub to help me :)
[07:09] <sri_> desrt: heh.  try.  and feel the hoary love.
[07:09] <travail101> lamont, here's what they said in #knoppix... (after a 10-20 minutes of silence) "dhclient eth0 &"
[07:09] <travail101> lamont, can you do that for the bootup script?
[07:09] <apokryphos> schasi: just checking the irc out? Thinking of installing?
[07:09] <yaaar> guys, I'm suddenly highly confused. I've got a hoary box with apache2 on it, and have just noticed that there is no 'DocumentRoot' line in my config. It goes straight to /var/www ...but adding a DocumentRoot line does not fix it.
[07:09] <cyklus> every cron job mails me when its run... how do you only make it mail you if some fails?
[07:09] <dazed> ok now when i want a file to copy or what not ...do i use linux commands to put it on my laptop? whats my laptops directory?
[07:09] <schasi> apokryphos: Look in ubuntuforums ;-)
[07:10] <schasi> apokryphos: I have it installed on 2 machines, buuuuut that is a long story
[07:10] <apokryphos> haven't ventured in there for some time, but sure.
[07:10] <lamont> travail101: having no clue about gentoo, I'd have to point you to #gentoo.
[07:10] <lamont> for ubuntu, what I pasted you from /etc/network/interfaces will do the trick on most cards... Sadly, mii-tool sometimes lies, depending on the card
[07:10] <Coily> could someone help me with this cron daily problem im having?
[07:11] <travail101> lamont, i meant in general... but nevermind, anyway, it sounds like a good lead, I'll ask in gentoo again, i ask this question in different ways like once or twice a week in there... and never an answer
[07:11] <goldfish> dazed: ubuntuguide.org
[07:11] <goldfish> dazed: ssh section :)
[07:12] <mz2> cooool! clearlooks looks soo nice
[07:12] <dazed> ok
[07:12] <phosphorgreen> hey every1, is it the ubuntu/debian default to lock out mysql from everything apart from the localhost?
[07:12] <dazed> thanks
[07:13] <phosphorgreen> it's not listening on my ethernet if
[07:13] <desrt> i might be totally dense here, but where are the hoary preview ISOs?
[07:13] <apokryphos> desrt: /topic
[07:13] <desrt> ah.  excellent.
[07:14] <michel_v> hello
[07:14] <maswan> for those that want a bit of speed, http://caesar.acc.umu.se/mirror/ubuntu-releases/hoary/  ;)
[07:14] <michel_v> I wondered, is there a patch for firefox to make it support gnome's icons in the navigation toolbar?
[07:14] <Xappe> would you be worried if the hdd temperature of an ibook hdd rised to 52C after copying 14 GB of mp3:s in about 2 h (over a 10MBit network)
[07:14] <michel_v> (I hear there's one applied in hoary?)
[07:15] <tritium> lamont, where did you post your /etc/network/interfaces?  I'd like to see what you're doing with mii-tool
[07:15] <jon1012> wow what happened to gdk loaders in hoary ?
[07:16] <lamont> tritium: sorry.  sec
[07:16] <sri_> desrt: http://koti.mbnet.fi/~tlehtone/Asennus-howto/apcs03.html as a hint
[07:16] <lamont> auto eth0
[07:16] <lamont> iface eth0 inet dhcp
[07:16] <lamont>         pre-up mii-tool eth0 | grep -q 'link ok'
[07:16] <jon1012> (none works correctly since last update, 5 minutes ago)
[07:16] <lamont> cheap and dirty, but quick.
[07:16] <tritium> lamont, thanks
[07:16] <lamont> note that depending on the NIC, that may or may not work.
[07:17] <tritium> cool
[07:17] <lamont> if it was reliable, it would be in hoary's installer
[07:17] <tritium> I appreciate it, lamont :)
[07:17] <djp> is mjpegtools not working under warty?
[07:18] <desrt> ya.  i keep hearing about this debootstrap business
[07:18] <desrt> i somehow doubt that there is an ebuild for it :)
[07:18] <desrt> holy crap.  there is
[07:18] <schasi> of course
[07:18] <sri_> hehe
[07:19] <desrt> arf.  dpkg is broken
[07:19] <Lupius> How can i play my MP3's ?
[07:19] <desrt> ../include/parsedump.h:33: error: array type has incomplete element type
[07:19] <Lupius> which is the audio player?
[07:19] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell Lupius uburestricted
[07:19] <Pyre> Lupius: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:19] <schweeb> desrt: debootstrap isn't meant to be a debian only tool... it's also used to build a debian chroot on other distros
[07:19] <lamont> desrt: builds fine here...
[07:19] <desrt> lamont; gcc 4 is much more strict about violations of the C standard
[07:19] <desrt> stuff that gcc3 warns about are errors in gcc4
[07:20] <dazed> goldfish: if u still around could u tell me what my 'local' mail box is and why it keeps telling me i have mail in my terminal but my pop3 account has no mail
[07:21] <lamont> desrt: so you should amend your statement to 'dpkg is broken under gcc-4'
[07:21] <hawke_> dazed: local mail is in /var/spool/mail/username, run 'mutt' at the command-line to read it
[07:21] <desrt> i will ammend my statement to 'dpkg is broken under C'
[07:22] <dazed> says /home/dazed/Mail does not exist do i want to create it hawke_?
[07:22] <lamont> desrt: I'll accept 'dpkg violates the C spec', but it generates fine code under gcc-3.3
[07:22] <desrt> lamont; you're right.
[07:23] <lamont> and 'violates the C spec' is considerably different than the 'sky is falling'-type 'broken'
[07:23] <Coily> whats the command to move somethin got the trash?
[07:23] <Coily> ack something to
[07:24] <desrt> lamont; can we please stop splitting hairs already?
[07:24] <lamont> heh
[07:24] <spades> mv whatever ~.Trash
[07:24] <lamont> just didn't want you starting a panic
[07:24] <goldfish> dazed: Sorry I was afk, u get that sorted?
[07:24] <Coily> thnks
[07:24] <dazed> yes
[07:24] <lamont> since I read your original post as 'dpkg is broken in hoary'
[07:24] <dazed> but what is the purpose of that mail?
[07:24] <desrt> lamont; you're the only one who is panicking :)
[07:24] <lamont> which it isn't...
[07:24] <dazed> to tell u stuff about installed packages?
[07:26] <goldfish> dazed: yeah
[07:26] <dazed> lol not too bad
[07:27] <wasabi__> So lets pretend I have this friend. Whose name is Joe. And he screwed up and stuck a syntax error in /etc/sudoers and wants to fix it without booting off a live cd.
[07:27] <wasabi__> What would he do?
[07:27] <goldfish> lol
[07:27] <goldfish> wasabi__: Hi Joe.
[07:27] <desrt> use visudo instead of vi next time :)
[07:28] <wasabi__> damnit i was afraid of that
[07:28] <dazed> lol
[07:28] <wasabi__> my mind is sitting here searching for a way to get root.
[07:28] <Tarkus> how do i change the thing in the terminal where it says warty@ubuntu: ???
[07:28] <wasabi__> without having a root password
[07:28] <hawke_> wasabi__: reboot in recovery mode
[07:28] <wasabi__> that asks for the root password doesn't it?
[07:28] <desrt> sri; for the sarge /mnt/path http://http.us.debian.org/debian
[07:28] <hawke_> wasabi__: nope.
[07:28] <desrt> sri; what would i put in for hoary?
[07:28] <wasabi__> hmmm did at one point
[07:28] <hawke_> wasabi__: since there is no root password, it can't
[07:29] <desrt> i assume s/sarge/hoary/ but what do i put for the url?
[07:29] <wasabi__> hawke, yeah, that was my problem that last time. ;0
[07:29] <hawke_> wasabi__: AFAIK, not in ubuntu
[07:29] <hawke_> wasabi__: at any rate, it's worth a shot, eh/
[07:29] <hawke_> ?
[07:29] <wasabi__> yeah
[07:29] <wasabi__> so what's hte kernel recovery mode switch
[07:29] <png> sudo su - ; passwd , then u ve got a root password
[07:29] <wasabi__> im using yaboot
[07:30] <wasabi__> no menu selection
[07:30] <Tarkus> does anyone know why i have something like "warty@ubuntu:~ $" in the terminal??
[07:30] <hawke_> wasabi__: add 'single' to the command-line
[07:30] <goldfish> Tarkus: it's ur system name
[07:30] <hawke_> wasabi__: if that doesn't work, try adding 'init=/bin/bash' to the command-line.
[07:30] <goldfish> Tarkus: user@system
[07:30] <Tarkus> goldfish, how do i change it?
[07:30] <goldfish> Tarkus: eh...
[07:30] <goldfish> I'll ask :)
[07:30] <hawke_> Tarkus: 'sudo base-config'
[07:31] <goldfish> hehe
[07:33] <desrt> one can only debootstrap potato, sarge, slink, woody, sid
[07:33] <schasi> how unfortunate
[07:34] <schweeb> desrt: you can make scripts to debootstrap warty or hoary
[07:34] <schweeb> tis not that difficult
[07:34] <desrt> i'm looking around in /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/
[07:35] <desrt> i'm just about ready to install a cdrom drive
[07:35] <_d4vid> hi all
[07:35] <jgl> How many partitions serious ideal to do with a disc of 60 GB?
[07:36] <apokryphos> jgl: if you intend on only having linux, then three.
[07:36] <desrt> ok.  slightly more sane question
[07:36] <desrt> does the ubuntu install cd have gnu parted on it?
[07:37] <png> jgl, i ve 60gb disk and 11 partitons. this is ideal for me. u can choose ur ideal
[07:38] <jgl> png Can you describe their sizes?
[07:38] <Razotter> Hi. I was wondering if anyone could help me. I received my ubuntu disks today, but when I boot off the live disk, all I get after the logo screen is a black screen.
[07:38] <jgl> the sizes of 11 partitions?
[07:40] <jgl> Is it a problem to have many partitions?
[07:40] <jgl> Or is it an advantage?
[07:40] <png> 3 gb 10 gb 10gb 4gb 4 gb 512mb 5gb 5gb 3gb 100mb 75mb
[07:40] <Se7h> what do i do with a 486 laptop with no hdd?
[07:40] <Se7h> lol
[07:41] <freewoody> Hi all
[07:41] <socomm> Se7h: LiveCD
[07:41] <Myrtti> I'd freak out if I had such partitions
[07:41] <freewoody> How do I setup a POP3 Server in Ubuntu ?
[07:41] <Se7h> socomm no boot from cd
[07:41] <Myrtti> that's pure madness
[07:41] <Se7h> :/
[07:41] <dazed> se7h: send it to me :)
[07:41] <Myrtti> as always, YMMV
[07:41] <socomm> Se7h: BootTP
[07:41] <Se7h> TP ?
[07:41] <dazed> freewoody: u set up evoloution yet?
[07:42] <png> jgl it is not a problem. ive thre os installed. so its looked liked this:)
[07:42] <freewoody> Yes I have
[07:42] <png> *three
[07:42] <socomm> s/BootTP/BOOTP
[07:43] <socomm> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BOOTP
[07:43] <jgl> and with only ubuntu?
[07:43] <freewoody> I want to setup my own POP3 Server in my PC which is behind a firewall but has a static class C IP
[07:44] <dazed> ahhh
[07:44] <dazed> well
[07:44] <dazed> lil more complicated
[07:44] <png> jgl 2 partitons is enough for ubuntu one for swap and one for /
[07:44] <dazed> lol
[07:44] <dazed> i could tell you how to do it if u were windows based but im new to this linux stuff too :(
[07:44] <jgl> boot, / and swap?
[07:44] <Se7h> socomm oh that
[07:44] <Razotter> has anyone else had the same problem I have?
[07:45] <Se7h> no luck, no network on it
[07:45] <Se7h> :P
[07:45] <png> jgl, u dont need seperate boot part. if u want u cand do 4 partition, home boot swap and / . u only need 2 for minimum
[07:47] <yaaar> does anybody know why ubuntu's apache2 config has no DocumentRoot, and adding one doesn't seem to change anything?
[07:47] <jgl> and if it's a server with ubuntu?
[07:47] <erik> hello call
[07:47] <goldfish> hi
[07:47] <erik> I have a question regarding hotswapping my cdrom drive in my portable
[07:47] <drspin> Gots me a job :) :)
[07:48] <erik> I'm using a Dell Portable with a D-Bay CDrom drive
[07:48] <socomm> Se7h: FedEx it my way. I'll give you five bucks for it. :^)
[07:48] <erik> can i swap the battery and cdrom drive without booting hoary
[07:48] <png> jgl, it ll ur decide, u can divide whatever u want:) /usr /etc /tmp /boot etc..
[07:48] <erik> ?
[07:48] <socomm> Se7h: You could always get a PCI ethernet adapter.
[07:48] <Se7h> pci?
[07:48] <Se7h> its a laptop
[07:49] <jgl> ok thanks
[07:50] <erik> any idea's about the cdrom drive? Linux won't load my drive...
[07:50] <socomm> Not pci, a laptop card.
[07:50] <socomm> I forget the technical term.
[07:51] <Se7h> oh
[07:51] <Se7h> pcmcia
[07:51] <Lupius> errr.... how to remove a non-empty dir trough the console?
[07:51] <Se7h> i have 2
[07:51] <socomm> Yes, that.
[07:51] <Se7h> but non fits
[07:51] <Se7h> lol
[07:51] <socomm> :^/
[07:51] <jgl> Anyone know a driver for winmodem with kernel 2.6.5?
[07:51] <Fator_Dee> Lupius: rm -r dirname
[07:51] <Se7h> the pcmcia slots r too old
[07:51] <Se7h> :P
[07:51] <socomm> Aren't they fairly cheap?
[07:51] <socomm> :^/
[07:52] <vijub> jgl: What chipset
[07:52] <Se7h> realy sukx
[07:52] <jgl> intel
[07:52] <Se7h> i have this cute laptop
[07:52] <Se7h> and i cant use it
[07:52] <Fator_Dee> Se7h: send it to me :-p
[07:52] <vincentMX> ik heb een eigen chnnel gemaakt in EuropNet (Libranet)
[07:52] <Se7h> unless i get a new 2.5 hdd
[07:52] <vincentMX> #Dutch
[07:53] <Se7h> Fator_Dee naaa :P
[07:53] <socomm> Se7h: What sort of processor is in there?
[07:53] <Se7h> 486
[07:53] <vijub> jgl: linmodems.technion.ac.il
[07:53] <Se7h> dunno if its sx or dc
[07:53] <Se7h> *dx
[07:54] <jgl> ok thanks
[07:54] <socomm> Hmmm I'd just use it as a Bootp machine.
[07:54] <Se7h> yea
[07:54] <Se7h> i would if it had an ethernet port
[07:54] <Se7h> lol
[07:55] <Se7h> i could boot a small linux distro from fdd
[07:55] <Se7h> and play a bit on the network
[07:55] <socomm> Yes, you need some sort of fdd setup. Then have it go over the network and get it's boot image.
[07:55] <socomm> Just get a card on eBay.
[07:56] <toerli> hi
[07:56] <vijub> jgl: http://pctelcompdb.sourceforge.net/display.php
[07:58] <Se7h> http://www.batterysavings.com/s_3_7_245_42868/Toshiba-Satellite-Pro-T2155CDS-Laptops.aspx
[07:58] <Se7h> but i guess this is not the "pro" version
[08:02] <Vjaz> Hi. Anyone know if it's possible to make GNOME Terminal use a non-TTF font?
[08:02] <biatche> ubuntu 	The first preview release of Ubuntu Linux 5.04 is now available for download and testing <-- off distrowatch ... does this mean that there will be more than 1 preview?
[08:02] <Vjaz> Regular X fonts... I can see the font I want with xfontsel.
[08:03] <Razotter> uh, I wonder if anyone can help me. I got my ubuntu cds in the mail today, and when I boot off the live cd, all I get after the logo is a blank screen. I've never used linux before, so I'm a tad confused.
[08:03] <JStrike> Does ubuntu use xorg.conf?
[08:04] <Fator_Dee> hoary yes
[08:04] <Vjaz> JStrike: In Warty the stable version, no, but in the development version called Hoary, yes.
[08:04] <Razotter> anyone?
[08:04] <JStrike> hmm...This is strange then. I am unable to change my resolution from 640x480, even though the xorg.conf file has quite a few specified
[08:05] <Vjaz> JStrike: where in xorg.conf are they specified?
[08:06] <LinuxJones> Razotter, is the ubuntu cd in another computer right now ?
[08:06] <Razotter> unfortunately not.
[08:06] <JStrike> Vjaz : Under the Screen section
[08:07] <Razotter> I tried booting in a number of modes... failsafe and whatnot, but still the same. I tried a different set of disks and still the same. I can only guess its something about my hardware it doesn't like.
[08:07] <LinuxJones> Razotter, if you hit cdrl+alt+ F2 (I think) it should give some indication on where it's hanging. When you boot into the cd look to the help menu and see for sure where to look for message output
[08:07] <LinuxJones> Razotter, make that ctrl+alt+F2
[08:07] <Razotter> AMD 2000+xp, onboard Nvidia graphics card... *shrugs* I've tried just about everything to get it to work, and no luck. Just comes up after the progress bar with a black, blank screen.
[08:08] <Myrtti> Razotter: what kind of screen do you have?
[08:08] <Razotter> LG Studioworks 700S
[08:08] <LinuxJones> Razotter, I can't remember off the top of my head where to see the system messages
[08:08] <shuerlimann> i today downloaded hoary-preview-live-i386.iso, quite cool
[08:08] <Myrtti> TFT. LCD, CRT?
[08:08] <Vjaz> JStrike: JStrike There are several "Display" subsections there... do you have several resolutions in all of them, or at least the one that has the same depth as your default (probably 24)?
[08:08] <shuerlimann> but the screensaver is password protected
[08:08] <Razotter> Uh, I think CRT
[08:08] <shuerlimann> but I don't know the password:-(
[08:08] <Myrtti> Razotter: big, heavy thing?
[08:08] <Myrtti> not flat?
[08:08] <Razotter> yup
[08:09] <Myrtti> strange
[08:09] <shuerlimann> not sure if this makes sense for a live CD...
[08:09] <Myrtti> or perhaps not
[08:09] <JStrike> Vjaz: They have "Modes           "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"" for all the depths
[08:09] <Razotter> The progress bar and logo display just fine... it just doesn't do anything further.
[08:09] <Myrtti> refresh rates might have something to do with the issue
[08:09] <Razotter> fully loads, then blanks out.
[08:09] <Vjaz> JStrike: Ok... that's funny. What are your HorizSync and VertRefresh in the "Monitor" section?
[08:09] <JStrike>  HorizSync       28-33
[08:09] <JStrike>         VertRefresh     43-72
[08:10] <Razotter> Myrtti: is there a way I can alter the refresh rate on booting? I know 50 and 60Hz should work.
[08:10] <Myrtti> ^
[08:11] <netmonk> does anyone know why sometimes on my desktop appear the icons of the mounuted partitions, and sometimes they don't appear, even though they are monuted?
[08:11] <Myrtti> check the xorg.conf, and search for HorizSync and VertRefresh
[08:11] <Razotter> okay. thanks. I'll go give it a try.
[08:13] <kuene> re
[08:13] <png_> i do not have HorizSync and VertRefresh:)
[08:14] <dazed> how do i get a PIM list
[08:16] <kuene> $
[08:16] <JStrike> Ok. Trying something. Got to restart X
[08:17] <png_> netmonk, same happens to me. i wonder if :)
[08:18] <caliber> 09:14 <Yvebojm> Are you want free unlimited SMS ( Multimedia Message ) ? Then
[08:18] <caliber>                 click here => www.kontorler.tk
[08:18] <caliber> Yvebojm IS SPAMMING
[08:19] <Fator_Dee> :-\
[08:19] <dazed> caliber: lol oh really?
[08:21] <horay_tester> good evening all
[08:21] <caliber> Can someone tell me why uname -a says Linux i686, yet I compiled my kernel as ATHLON64 ?
[08:21] <Gfault> hi all
[08:21] <png_> caliber, did u rebooted
[08:21] <caliber> png_ lol yeah
[08:21] <Gfault> help me
[08:21] <horay_tester> by the way, I have Athlon M (32bit) which kernel should I install??
[08:22] <Gfault> how remove name ubuntu for other name ?
[08:22] <caliber> Gfault: what the hell are you talking about
[08:22] <png_> Gfault, which name
[08:22] <Gfault> png_: project V
[08:22] <Gfault> png_: university
[08:22] <Myrtti> still no coherency
[08:23] <Gfault> cafuego: i from brazil
[08:24] <hawke_> Gfault: 'sudo base-config' if you mean the system hostname...
[08:24] <Gfault> caliber: im  from brazil
[08:24] <png`idLe> Gfault, no idea
[08:25] <Gfault> png`idLe: exist kubuntu based KDE ?
[08:27] <Gfault> png`idLe: hawke: it is possible to custom ubuntu live ?
[08:29] <alex_macgillivra> Anyone: (I am using warty) I have noticed that the dbus daemon is not terminating with my gnome session.  Thus, I tend to accumulate "stale" dbus processes which must be killed manually.  Does anyone know of a fix for this problem?
[08:29] <oneday> hey hey all.
[08:29] <oneday> im using the gnome live cd , looks nic
[08:29] <oneday> nice
[08:30] <neom> I tried to install lipstik last night and it totally scrwed up everything kicker related, haha, actually.. it screwed up lots of things, kcontrol included. Anyway, amu helped me jumped up to 3.4 and it seems to all be working again.
[08:30] <neom> However, I am missing a lot of the menus that I had on kicker before, such as Systems Tools, Applications, Games, etc etc. Is it possable to get those menus back without manually adding everything as that would be a PITA.
[08:31] <Gfault> The ubuntu is based in Knoppix ?
[08:31] <hawke_> Gfault: no
[08:31] <NobleArc> A lot of the time when I try to install stuff through apt in hoary, it complains that the packages cannot be authenticated. (even ubuntu-artwork can't be authenticated.)  In warty, this wasn't a problem.  Should I be concerned, or just install the stuff anyway?
[08:31] <hawke_> Gfault: on Debian
[08:31] <hawke_> Gfault: Knoppix is also based on debian
[08:32] <Gfault> sorry, The ubuntu-LIVE is based in Knoppix ?
[08:32] <Gfault> exist ubuntu + KDE ?
[08:32] <Tuxadermist> Gfault, yes, its called Kubuntu
[08:32] <nu2ubuntu> hello
[08:33] <NobleArc> ...
[08:33] <shuerlimann> gfault: ubuntu-LIVE isn't based on Knoppix
[08:33] <dazed> no gfault...knoppix is based on debian as well as ubuntu is based on debian ..the differences is the desktop managers knoppix uses KDM (konqueror or something desktop manager) Ubuntu uses GDM (gnome desktop manager)
[08:33] <dazed> i misunderstood
[08:33] <Gfault> Tuxadermist: where ?
[08:33] <dazed> lol
[08:34] <NobleArc> =\
[08:34] <shuerlimann> gfault: see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Kubuntu
[08:34] <Gfault> Tuxadermist: where kubuntu-Live ?
[08:34] <hawke_> dazed: It's "K desktop manager" ... but the dm doesn't matter, that's just the login screen.  you're thinking of the desktop environment (KDE vs. GNOME)
[08:34] <oly> hum, is there anyway to import a .adr contact list into evolution ?
[08:34] <shuerlimann> gfault: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[08:34] <nu2ubuntu> I've recently installed ubuntu, and used synaptic to get gsnes9x up and running.  Now I'd like to use an xbox controller with usb adapter to play games and I'm wondering: Does Warty have xbox controller support compiled into its kernel?
[08:34] <Tuxadermist> there :)
[08:34] <Gfault> Kubunto + KDE cool
[08:35] <VladDrac> kool
[08:35] <NobleArc> ...
[08:35] <dazed> hawke: ur right
[08:35] <dazed> my miswording
[08:35] <dazed> lol
[08:36] <hawke_> dazed: And the K doesn't stand for anything. :-D
[08:36] <dazed> werd
[08:36] <dazed> thought it did
[08:36] <VladDrac> the K stands for Kool, but after a while they realized how lame that was, so now it's just 'K'
[08:37] <VladDrac> (there already was CDE, common desktop environment, back then)
[08:37] <neom> Well now we've established I'm using kubuntu, any suggestions as to my problem?
[08:37] <Gfault> How custom Kubuntu-Live ?
[08:38] <NobleArc> A lot of the time when I try to install stuff through apt in hoary, it complains that the packages cannot be authenticated. (even ubuntu-artwork can't be authenticated.)  In warty, this wasn't a problem.  Should I be concerned, or just install the stuff anyway?
[08:38] <nu2ubuntu> anyone know anything about ubuntu and xbox controller support?
[08:39] <nu2ubuntu> I can't find anything online, not even google helped
[08:40] <paulicat> nu2ubuntu - does it load a module when you plug it in?
[08:40] <paulicat> The module may be called xpad
[08:40] <nu2ubuntu> paulicat: it didn't do anything when I plugged it in
[08:40] <paulicat> can you try sudo modprobe xpad?
[08:41] <nu2ubuntu> I can do that
[08:41] <nu2ubuntu> 1 sec
[08:41] <Coily> if i wanted to have logs sent from my router, could i use a local smtp server (is there already one set up)?
[08:42] <nu2ubuntu> modprobe xpad didn't do anything in the root console.  It just gave me another prompt
[08:42] <Coily> anyone?
[08:43] <jazzka> hi, I have ubuntu stable installed on my hard drive, but I want to install Ubuntu Hoary into an external usb-hard drive
[08:43] <DazeD||laptop> hey i have 2 quick questions...i run fluxbox...and i was wondering what the best way to use the nautalis file explorer on fluxbox...?
[08:43] <jazzka> is it possible? would grub underestand usb?
[08:43] <DazeD||laptop> and the other question is how do u make it so when u click a folder in nautalis it opens in the same window
[08:43] <NobleArc> DazeD||laptop: nautilus --no-desktop
[08:43] <paulicat> do dmesg | grep xpad
[08:44] <NobleArc> and I'd like to know the answer to that myself, DazeD||laptop. :P
[08:44] <dazed> lol noblearc its a pain isnt it
[08:44] <schweeb> I think there's a config option for it
[08:44] <schweeb> don't know where it's located
[08:44] <nu2ubuntu> gave me this
[08:44] <schweeb> but
[08:44] <NobleArc> you can do it in gconf, that's all I know.
[08:44] <nu2ubuntu> nm
[08:44] <Fator_Dee> edit -> preferences ->
[08:44] <schweeb> gconf is how I know how to do it
[08:44] <moondust> Coily: you probably want to set up a syslog server for that
[08:44] <LinuxJones> DazeD||laptop, you have to fire up gconf-editor
[08:44] <Fator_Dee> behaviour ->
[08:45] <nu2ubuntu> said it registered new driver
[08:45] <paulicat> Cool...so what app you wanna use it in again?
[08:45] <dazed> linuxjones: im new to linux kinda so like once i fire it up then what lol
[08:45] <nu2ubuntu> gsnes9x
[08:45] <_d4vid> W: GPG error: http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[08:45] <_d4vid> W: GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[08:45] <_d4vid> why ?
[08:45] <Coily> moondust, is there a package for that? or is it simpler
[08:45] <NobleArc> I'm having the same problem, _d4vid.  It keeps complaining.
[08:45] <LinuxJones> DazeD||laptop, it's under apps>>nautilus >> Preferences check "always use browser"
[08:45] <moondust> Coily, syslog is standard on any linux installation
[08:46] <moondust> just set it up to accept logs from the network
[08:46] <DazeD||laptop> ok thanks
[08:46] <_d4vid> NobleArc, ok
[08:46] <moondust> you might want to look into setting up syslog-ng if you're going to do a lot of logging
[08:46] <LinuxJones> DazeD||laptop, I don't run fluxbox so I can't help with the other question ;)
[08:46] <Coily> moondust, thanks
[08:46] <_d4vid> ubuntu servers hacked ? (packet missing.. changed ?)
[08:47] <DazeD||laptop> lol sall good
[08:47] <DazeD||laptop> for anyone who does run fluxbox do u have problems with loading ur gnome theme when starting flux?
[08:47] <schweeb> dazed: you have to start gnome-settings-daemon
[08:48] <DazeD||laptop> schweeb: thats giberrissh to me lol
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[08:49] <bdale> shipit.ubuntu.com doesn't have a way to request ia64 cd's yet?
[08:49] <jbailey> bdale: ia64 isn't targetted at hoary, it didn't make the cut.
[08:49] <bdale> jbailey: it's in the preview release
[08:49] <Aapzak> hey, I'm being spammed by dcjfna
[08:50] <Tomcat_> The Hoary Preview rocks btw. :o
[08:51] <Tomcat_> Congrats for this.
[08:51] <Aapzak> does it have gnome 2.10
[08:51] <BugSlayer> hi all
[08:51] <_d4vid> NobleArc, use us.archive.ubuntu.com
[08:51] <DazeD||laptop> schweeb: how do i start gnome-settings-deabeon
[08:51] <Tomcat_> Aapzak: Yes.
[08:51] <Aapzak> kewl
[08:51] <guerby> hi, I'm new to ubuntu/debian, is there an easy way to see the list of packages of the upcoming ubuntu release (with their source version) on the web?
[08:51] <Tomcat_> Since today. :D
[08:51] <guerby> I've only played with the live CD yet
[08:52] <LinuxJones> DazeD||laptop, hit alt + F2 and start typing it should auto-complete for you
[08:52] <jbailey> bdale: I'm going off of Matt's email to ubuntu-devel, http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=78594&postcount=4
[08:52] <BugSlayer> hi, installed ubuntu today. Last time i've used Linux (debian testing) i had the same Problem with gnome: when i reboot the icons in the taskbar change their places sometimes even the taskbars
[08:53] <NobleArc> o_O
[08:53] <Tomcat_> BugSlayer: Tried locking them?
[08:53] <bryan> anyone else getting spammed about SMS messages?
[08:53] <DazeD||laptop> alt+f2 adn start typing what? in what?
[08:53] <DazeD||laptop> my terminal?
[08:53] <Aapzak> bryan, yeah, I put him on my ignore list
[08:54] <NobleArc> you're in flux, right DazeD||laptop?  If so, alt f2 does nothing. :P  In GNOME it opens the run menu.
[08:54] <DazeD||laptop> ohlol
[08:54] <LinuxJones> DazeD||laptop, you know the run dialog in windows ?
[08:54] <NobleArc> if you need a run menu, you can install grun through apt.
[08:54] <DazeD||laptop> thats what u meant
[08:54] <DazeD||laptop> onemin
[08:54] <bdale> jbailey: that sucks, but oh well.  I suggest someone update the text at http://releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/ to reflect this, then.  ia64 appears to be a fully supported arch for hoary, and sparc isn't visible at all.
[08:55] <LinuxJones> DazeD||laptop, Linux has one too hit alt + F2 and type gnome-settings-daemon
[08:55] <BugSlayer> :( mh i love gnome but this problem sucks
[08:55] <jbailey> bdale: Thanks, I'll figure out who updates that and get it done.
[08:55] <DazeD||laptop> i was on flux whe i hit alt f2
[08:55] <DazeD||laptop> lol
[08:55] <bdale> jbailey: feel free to have the change be that ia64 *is* supported for hoary, of course.  ;-)
[08:55] <jbailey> bdale: *lol*
[08:56] <LinuxJones> DazeD||laptop, or you can start it in a terminal it doesn't really matter
[08:56] <HiddenWolf> bdale: ia64 was put together, but isn't an official build yet; i believe so far no-one has downloaded it. Sparc isn't nearly done yet
[08:56] <bdale> HiddenWolf: I'm about to download ia64 and take it for a test drive, fwiw
[08:57] <DazeD||laptop> my run application freezes whenever i loadit?
[08:57] <DazeD||laptop> thats never happened before
[08:57] <NobleArc> o_O
[08:57] <DazeD||laptop> there it goes
[08:57] <DazeD||laptop> nm
[08:57] <NobleArc> lol.
[08:57] <LinuxJones> DazeD||laptop, did you do a system upgrade since installing Ubuntu ?
[08:57] <HiddenWolf> bdale: you might well be the first lucky soul, perhaps the only, perhaps the last. ;)
[08:57] <DazeD||laptop> linuxJones: just finished like 2 days ago
[08:58] <bdale> HiddenWolf: given the interest I heard from the Gelato community, I doubt I'll be the last.
[08:58] <DazeD||laptop> once i type that in the run application should it bring anything up or just save my settings?
[08:58] <LinuxJones> DazeD||laptop, ok, you might want to have a look @ www.ubuntuguide.org
[08:58] <NobleArc> as far as I know, gnome-settings-daemon loads your settings..?
[08:59] <HiddenWolf> bdale: what are you running ia64 for?
[08:59] <DazeD||laptop> linuxJones: im there all the time
[08:59] <LinuxJones> DazeD||laptop, no nothing should come up
[08:59] <BugSlayer> i'll try
[08:59] <DazeD||laptop> ok well than let me check if it loads my settings when flux starts
[08:59] <LinuxJones> DazeD||laptop, ok good there is alot of great stuff there for users new to Ubuntu
[08:59] <djp> anybody here use mjpegtools, dvd:rip, avidemux etc...?
[08:59] <bdale> HiddenWolf: do you know what my day job is?
[09:00] <Fator_Dee> djp: what are you trying to do?
[09:00] <DazeD||laptop> still didnt laod my theme when i started flux but when i goto the control center and click themes it loads my theme immediately without even have to select a theme
[09:01] <HiddenWolf> bdale: I don't know you, no. :)
[09:02] <bdale> HiddenWolf: ok, just checking to make sure you weren't trolling.  Part of my job is making Linux work well on ia64.
[09:03] <HiddenWolf> bdale: I'm a lot of things, including clueless, but never a troll
[09:03] <djp> Fator_Dee: well, i want to be able to create vcd or svcds from avi files etc... i used tovid to do this with fedora core 3 but since moving to ubuntu i have had no end of problems getting the required packages to work! mjpegtools will not install on my warty box here :(
[09:03] <NobleArc> How exactly would I go about installing transcode in Hoary?  It doesn't seem to be in universe.
[09:03] <jesuel> bdale: as a volunteer? or get paid to do this.? lol :)
[09:04] <bdale> HiddenWolf: I was one of the folks who initiated the Debian port to ia64.
[09:04] <bdale> jesuel: both at different times
[09:04] <Gfault> How custom Kubuntu-Live ?
[09:05] <HiddenWolf> bdale: is there actually a market for ia64-distro's?
[09:05] <NobleArc> I can find a tonne of frontends for transcode (dvdrip, gtranscode, etc) but not transcode itself. o_O
[09:05] <jesuel> HiddenWolf: yes
[09:05] <Aapzak> HiddenWolf, bdale, is ia64 the same as amd64?
[09:05] <HiddenWolf> aapzak: no
[09:05] <jesuel> Aapzak: nope
[09:05] <bdale> Aapzak: no
[09:06] <jesuel> lol
[09:06] <Aapzak> what is ia64 then?
[09:06] <Aapzak> :)
[09:06] <krebis> i`m using Ubuntu Live now, its very good ... :)
[09:06] <Tomcat_> krebis: Yeah! :D
[09:06] <HiddenWolf> aapzak: itanium
[09:06] <Aapzak> krebis, off course it is
[09:06] <Aapzak> Intel
[09:06] <Aapzak> real intel
[09:06] <jesuel> blah :)
[09:06] <krebis> my hd its problem ...
[09:06] <Aapzak> server stuff probably?
[09:06] <jesuel> yea
[09:07] <paulicat> Anyone in here notice when you burn a cd with nautilus that auto mount doesn't work anymore??
[09:07] <HiddenWolf> jesuel: are there ia64 desktops in existance?
[09:07] <jesuel> HiddenWolf: sgi made a few that i remember
[09:07] <Aapzak> paulicat, no, but it could be good practice, so automount does not screw up your burning session
[09:08] <paulicat> Yea, but thats not proper behaviour, this didn't occur in warty...
[09:08] <Aapzak> and no probs while burning either?
[09:08] <paulicat> Nope
[09:08] <jesuel> HiddenWolf: I personally was still using a indy at the time, in fact I still do use the indy
[09:09] <paulicat> I burnt my hoary cd in warty
[09:09] <paulicat> I guess you'
[09:09] <paulicat> Opps
[09:09] <androxxl> hello can anyone tell me what means this hdb: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
[09:09] <androxxl> hdb: dma_intr: error=0x84 { DriveStatusError BadCRC }
[09:09] <Aapzak> ehhh, did we have an update?
[09:09] <paulicat> 've never used nautilus to burn an iso??
[09:09] <Aapzak> nope
[09:09] <paulicat> LOL
[09:09] <Aapzak> :)
[09:09] <paulicat> Am I the only one who finds this convenient??
[09:10] <paulicat> Right click and write to cd...
[09:10] <HrdwrBoB> no, it's great
[09:10] <paulicat> It cant get any better than that
[09:10] <mz2> how do i reset the library of albums i have in muine?
[09:10] <Aapzak> windows made me affraid of 'handy' things like burning from explorer, I rather use k3b
[09:10] <paulicat> HrdwrBoB, does your automount stop after writing a cd in hoary?
[09:11] <HrdwrBoB> paulicat: to be honest I'm not sure, but I don't think so
[09:11] <paulicat> Dude, Gnome aint windows, that burning thing they put it XP is the biggest piece o crap...
[09:12] <paulicat> But gnomes worked quite well up until the utopia stuff..well, the cd's still burn but it screws up something in Utopia...
[09:13] <queuetue> Hello - I'm using mpd (music player daemon) under hoary, andI can't figure out what ao_driver am I supposed to use... When mpd with ao_driver="alsa09" is playing, it works fine,  but all other sounds get "lost"...
[09:15] <krebis> i`ve want help contribuit with ubuntu in portuguese ... How collaborates developers ???
[09:16] <internenet> salut , il y a des francais ici ?
[09:16] <thully> join #kanotix
[09:17] <goldfish> internenet: #ubuntu-fr
[09:17] <internenet> thanks goldfish :)
[09:17] <grimborg_> hi
[09:20] <grimborg_> i've just installed ubuntu hoary but the kernel it comes with won't let me mount the root partition. it looks like a problem with /dev, because VFS complains about not being able to mount /dev/hda5, which, it says, is block (0,0) (and those are not the real major/minor for /dev/hda5.) is this a known bug? any known solution? thanks!
[09:20] <schweeb> grimborg_: are you using the ubuntu kernel and did you use their initrd?
[09:21] <paulicat> Grimborg - Maybe a step during your partitioning??
[09:21] <paulicat> Did you set the right / partition?
[09:21] <Aapzak> boys and girls ... I use warty in my repositories, is there a newer release?
[09:21] <paulicat> Hoary
[09:21] <Ribs> Hoary isn't finished yet tho
[09:21] <schweeb> Aapzak: it's a preview release
[09:21] <Ribs> so beware
[09:21] <paulicat> Yea...
[09:21] <grimborg_> schweeb, the installer said nothing about an initrd.. let me check the /boot dir (i'm doing dual boot with another gnu/linux so i didn't allow the ubuntu installer to config its own grub)
[09:22] <Aapzak> but I can dist-upgrade?
[09:22] <paulicat> But for the most part, its pretty stable
[09:22] <moondust> if you're familiar with linux (and debian :) then hoary works fine
[09:22] <paulicat> You could...
[09:22] <schweeb> grimborg_: which is probably your problem
[09:22] <Aapzak> just like debian, change the repository and upgrade?
[09:22] <schweeb> Aapzak: yea
[09:22] <paulicat> Yea
[09:22] <Aapzak> wow
[09:22] <moondust> yeah, exactly like debian, in fact. funny that, eh?
[09:22] <Aapzak> :)
[09:22] <paulicat> lol
[09:22] <Aapzak> I love the Debian way
[09:22] <grimborg_> schweeb, yes, it seems you're right. i'm going to try it right now. Thanks a lot and sorry for the silly question :)
[09:22] <|QuaD-> is apache's authentication secure?
[09:23] <Burn`> how can I install nvidia drivers for my ubuntu hoary system amd64 bit?
[09:23] <schweeb> grimborg_: for future reference
[09:23] <Aapzak> does it install xorg instead of xfree?
[09:23] <paulicat> yea, 6.8.2
[09:23] <schweeb> grimborg_: whenever you have a root mount problem, the first thing you check is generally the initrd
[09:23] <Aapzak> no probs with the change?
[09:23] <Burn`> how can I install nvidia drivers for my ubuntu hoary system amd64 bit?
[09:23] <paulicat> none so far...
[09:23] <meuserj|work> Burn`, make sure that you have the linux-restricted-modules package for the kernel that you are using
[09:23] <Aapzak> thats great!
[09:23] <Aapzak> let's do it!
[09:23] <paulicat> but I didnt do a dist upgrade, i installed from array 5 cd
[09:24] <meuserj|work> Burn`, and install nvidia-glx
[09:24] <grimborg_> well there it goes :)
[09:24] <Aapzak> ow, I will dist-upgrade
[09:24] <Burn`> meuserj|work: euhm
[09:24] <Burn`> whick linux-restricted?
[09:24] <paulicat> It should be fine as hoary is quite stable right now.l..
[09:24] <schweeb> dist-upgrading might cause a few problems you'll have to take care of
[09:24] <Aapzak> I always ran Debian Unstable, I will be fine with hoary I think?
[09:25] <moondust> ah, yeah, you'll be just fine
[09:25] <schweeb> yea, should be fine
[09:25] <Aapzak> lemme check the forums
[09:25] <schweeb> just saying, there's a few issues you may need to deal with
[09:25] <schweeb> like xfree might still be installed and such
[09:25] <Aapzak> ah, I've never been a fan of issues :)
[09:26] <HiddenWolf> the day xfree dies. :P
[09:26] <Aapzak> nice :D
[09:26] <paulicat> is there a hoary channel??
[09:26] <schweeb> no
[09:26] <paulicat> cool...thanks...
[09:28] <paulicat> Ok, so Ill ask my question one more time, a little bit more general this time...has anyone burnt a cd using nautilus?
[09:28] <paulicat> Anyone willing to test burn a cdrw??
[09:28] <desrt> how do i search for pacakges?
[09:28] <Vjaz> Oooh. Muine is a nice music player.
[09:28] <Vjaz> paulicat: I've successfully burned an ISO image to a CDRW.
[09:29] <desrt> for example, i want to install quicklounge, so i say 'apt-get install quick-lounge-applet'
[09:29] <desrt> and apt gives some confusing message about Package quick-lounge-applet is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[09:29] <paulicat> VJaz, did auto mount work after you burnt the cd?
[09:29] <Vjaz> paulicat: Hm... I don't remember. I guess.
[09:29] <paulicat> Also, are you using hoary?
[09:29] <Vjaz> paulicat: If you mean automounting the CD I burned. I had it open the CD tray and I took it out.
[09:30] <Vjaz> paulicat: Hm... I'm on Hoary now... I'm not sure I was when I burned the CD though.
[09:30] <Vjaz> desrt: apt-cache search quicklounge
[09:30] <moondust> paulicat: i've burned about 30 or so cds from nautilus under hoary
[09:30] <Aapzak> cu guys in a sec, I will dist-upgrade from console ...
[09:30] <paulicat> I mean, after the burn is finished, it ejects the cd, you close the cd drawer to load the cd, and in my case, hal/dbus/g-v-m does not mount the cd auto...
[09:30] <biatche> ubuntu 	The first preview release of Ubuntu Linux 5.04 is now available for download and testing <-- off distrowatch ... does this mean that there will be more than 1 preview?
[09:31] <Vjaz> desrt: apt-cache is the program for displaying info about packages... there's also "apt-cache show" which is handy for getting details
[09:31] <desrt> cool.  thanks.
[09:31] <wob> Hello all! Can Anyone explain me why there's Ubuntu (for Gnome) + Kubuntu ( KDE) instead of one Ubuntu (e.g 2 CDs or 1 DVD) which asks on installation which Destop should be default? Is this planned for future releases?
[09:31] <paulicat> This worked under warty fine...but its stopped in hoary
[09:31] <Vjaz> paulicat: I think it worked, but I'm not 100% sure.
[09:31] <djp> any advise on why i cannot install mjpegtools under warty?
[09:31] <Vjaz> paulicat: But yeah, I might've been in Warty, so it's not of much help. Sorry.
[09:32] <paulicat> Lol, no probes
[09:32] <paulicat> no probs...
[09:32] <Vjaz> wob: Kubuntu is not official I think.
[09:32] <rapha> Hmm
[09:32] <paulicat> Anyone willing to burn a small cdrw in hoary?
[09:32] <Riddell> wob: what would be the advantage in that?
[09:32] <Riddell> Vjaz: kubuntu is official
[09:32] <Vjaz> Riddell: ah ok
[09:33] <Vjaz> wob: Well I guess if Kubuntu is official, the thing is that it would be confusing to beginners if you had to choose stuff like that in the installation.
[09:33] <wob> Riddell: A lot of people like to chose their Desktop environment.
[09:33] <Vjaz> wob: And a lot of people don't.
[09:33] <bzbb> how do I mount a USB flash device?
[09:33] <Vjaz> wob: And if you give them an option, it's confusing.
[09:33] <Riddell> wob: then you now have that choice to make
[09:33] <paulicat> bzbb its supposed to automount it
[09:34] <Riddell> Vjaz: you don't choose it in the installation
[09:34] <Vjaz> Riddell: I know, that's what wob was asking about.
[09:34] <bzbb> I'm using KDE in hoary, BTW
[09:34] <wob> so you say users are to stupid to decide what they want? e.g. an expert installation or a standart installation.
[09:34] <Vjaz> Riddell: I think it shouldn't be an option in the installation, which is the current situation. I understand wob was suggesting you should have an option during installation.
[09:35] <Vjaz> wob: Well I think it's a stupid idea to make Ubuntu two CD's big just so that the experts who like KDE can get it.
[09:35] <Riddell> Vjaz: tis' not an option in the installation, it's an option long before you start installation
[09:35] <Vjaz> Riddell: Yes, I know. Are you listening to me at all?
[09:35] <Vjaz> Riddell: wob was suggesting that it should be an option during the installation, and I said it would be confusing if it was so
[09:36] <Riddell> Vjaz: ah, well in that case you're right :)
[09:36] <thully> maybe it'd be a good idea to have a DVD w/both?
[09:36] <Vjaz> thully: A lot of people don't have DVD drives.
[09:36] <thully> so, the CDs would also be available
[09:36] <Vjaz> thully: And besides, nobody really wants both.
[09:37] <Vjaz> thully: Well I guess some might, but most want just one or the other.
[09:37] <thully> people do use KDE stuff on GNOME - k3b, for instance - it's useful to have all of main on 1 CD
[09:37] <thully> DVD
[09:37] <Vjaz> thully: Is K3B in main?
[09:37] <bzbb> its not appearing
[09:38] <Vjaz> Ah, so it seems.
[09:38] <Amaranth> i thought it was going to be in hoary
[09:38] <thully> yes - alone w/rest of KDE
[09:38] <Vjaz> ah, ok
[09:38] <thully> you have to enable the apt internet sources - it isn't on the CD
[09:40] <Slaven> back on Gentoo my cam used to be /dev/sda
[09:41] <Vjaz> thully: I guess that's a point.
[09:41] <Slaven> in Ubuntu, I can't find that particular device.
[09:42] <wob> Ubutu at present semms to me like a Debian personal edition. I like to chose which Programs to install (in addition to a standart desktop). So there are a lot of small tools i easily can install from a Debian 3.1 DVD. But which of cause don't fit on one CD. But with DVD getting cheaper and cheaper disk space can't be an argument.
[09:42] <Slaven> nvm
[09:42] <bryan> oh got, i havn't even tried to get my cam working
[09:42] <Vjaz> thully: although it's still overkill, because most people who do want extra packages from KDE want only one or two of them...
[09:42] <bryan> my brain would explode
[09:42] <Slaven> I just got it working :D
[09:42] <Slaven> always worked well.
[09:42] <tims> I for one, like Debian Personal Edition (Ubuntu)
[09:42] <Slaven> with Linux.
[09:43] <schweeb> wob: do you have dialup internet or something?
[09:43] <Slaven> but in Gentoo it needed a reboot before being able to connect to the computer again.
[09:43] <VladDrac> anyone here used nautilus' cd/dvd creator?
[09:43] <schweeb> there are just as many packages in ubuntu's apt archives as debian's
[09:43] <wob> schweeb: mostly yes
[09:43] <Vjaz> thully: And given that those people are usually experts who know what they want anyways and know how to get it.
[09:43] <schweeb> other applications are just a mouse click/command line away
[09:43] <schasi> schweeb: depends on how you count
[09:43] <schasi> if you take all the archs of debian in account... ;-)
[09:44] <schweeb> that would be asinine
[09:44] <schweeb> esp seeing as most of the packages are generated for all arches... so they wouldn't be diff pkgs... just the same pkg for diff arches
[09:44] <wob> I know that all exists in Ubuntus apt-repositories but there is no DVD Image
[09:44] <blizah> i edited a photo in gimp and now gimp starts up and opens the picture i edited every time i login
[09:44] <blizah> ow do i stop this
[09:44] <desrt> why isn't bluecurve in universe?
[09:44] <Vjaz> thully: If you give three options to "regular" people: 1. Ubuntu (recommended) 2. Kubuntu (use this if you want KDE) 3. Ubuntu+Kubuntu on DVD (gives you choice of either) , I think most regular people who don't know the difference would still get the DVD because it's "better".
[09:45] <schasi> I'd like to get kubuntu
[09:45] <Vjaz> thully: Which either costs Canonical a lot of money to press CDs, or makes the people waste their bandwidth.
[09:45] <schasi> Because i dont know that yet
[09:45] <VladDrac> blizah: find the session management part somewhere in your computer menu
[09:46] <akrabat> I thought there was a ubuntu dvd containing all of main?  Had a feeling that it's built once per week
[09:46] <thully> there is, but it doesn't have KDE
[09:46] <thully> just GNOME+all non-KDE stuff
[09:46] <akrabat> ah... yeah that's in universe
[09:47] <thully> no - it's in main
[09:47] <akrabat> is it?
[09:47] <blizah> vladdrac k found it but still dont see anything dealing w/ gimp
[09:47] <akrabat> oh!
[09:47] <thully> check it - you have to enable the online apt source to see it
[09:47] <wob> Canonical could focus on one Standart version (Gnome Destop). But just Because Canonical would not be able to distribute it cant be an argument against a DVD version.
[09:47] <thully> if you're not running kubuntu
[09:47] <akrabat> I believe you  :)
[09:48] <schweeb> wob: there is in fact a DVD image
[09:48] <schweeb> although, I'm not sure as to its contents
[09:48] <bryan> there are dvds
[09:48] <thully> yes - there are, agreed.  But they don't have all of main
[09:48] <paulicat> VladDrac Im using nautilus for cd's
[09:48] <akrabat> gnome question: how do you add your own folders to the new "places" menu ?
[09:48] <thully> Even GNOME users have a use for KDE packages - k3b for instance
[09:49] <wob> Ok, I'm sorry I searched but havent found any DVD-Images yet.
[09:49] <schweeb> all of main is larger than a single DVD, I'm pretty sure
[09:49] <akrabat> I'm really failing at using google today :(
[09:49] <bryan> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/weekly-dvd/current/
[09:49] <wob> bryan: thank you
[09:49] <thully> I don't think Nautilus burns audio CD
[09:49] <bryan> np, wob
[09:49] <paulicat> no, just data
[09:50] <Vjaz> K3B is clunky.
[09:50] <Vjaz> But that's just my opinion, I know a lot of people like it and use it even in Gnome.
[09:50] <paulicat> akrabat, in the file chooser box, use the add button, it will add the folder in the chooser and in the places menu
[09:51] <jeramy> It sticks out like a sore thumb, but K3B is the easiest to use
[09:51] <Simplondio> Hello
[09:51] <VladDrac> paulicat: burning as well?
[09:51] <Simplondio> im argentine
[09:51] <wob> bryan: nice DVDs but there's no KDE on them.
[09:51] <Vjaz> thully: it's only a matter of time before audio suppport is coded in
[09:51] <paulicat> yea...
[09:51] <VladDrac> paulicat: it doesn't seem to recognize writable cd's in mine (cdrecord just burns fine)
[09:51] <akrabat> paulicat: thanks, but where's the filechooser box when I have the parent folder of the folder I want to add open as a spatial window?
[09:52] <VladDrac> could be a permission problem perhaps?
[09:52] <schweeb> wob: kde is kubuntu's bag
[09:52] <Simplondio> who are you?
[09:52] <paulicat> Graveman does a nice job for audio cd's
[09:52] <thully> It doesn't do multisession also
[09:52] <schweeb> wob: I think kubuntu generates their own images
[09:52] <paulicat> akrabat, you have to open an app, say gedit, I dont know of any other way to get to the chooser
[09:52] <akrabat> ah!
[09:53] <envel> Hello!
[09:53] <Simplondio> what is software with ubuntu include?
[09:53] <paulicat> The problem Im having is after I write a cd with nautilus, automount does not work anymore until reboot
[09:53] <envel> Please tell me how to make grub to boot windows
[09:53] <akrabat> it never crossed my mind to open gedit  :)
[09:53] <envel> sorry for my english
[09:53] <paulicat> akrabat, lol...it happens ;-)
[09:54] <envel> hey,guys
[09:54] <schweeb> welp, looks like there are no DVDs generated of kubuntu
[09:54] <akrabat> envel: edit /boot/grub/menu.list
[09:54] <envel> ok, i'll take a look
[09:54] <envel> thanks
[09:54] <schweeb> if you want KDE, and a ton of apps... have both the ubuntu DVD and the kubuntu CD
[09:54] <akrabat> envel: look for the line "default  0" and change to "default  saved"
[09:54] <schweeb> you can use the CDs as apt archives
[09:54] <envel> what does it mean?
[09:55] <akrabat> envel: then grub will remember which menu option you choose last time
[09:55] <wob> schweeb: I think this whole Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu thing is more confusing than distributing KDE in Ubuntu
[09:56] <paulicat> I like it separated so that they can distinguish between the two d/e's
[09:56] <schweeb> wob: Canonical supports and releases Ubuntu with GNOME, for standardization
[09:57] <schweeb> wob: kubuntu is a set of volunteers who maintain KDE for Ubuntu
[09:57] <paulicat> hey blahrus!
[09:57] <blahrus> anyone having issues connecting to the update?
[09:57] <thully> has anybody noticed that GNOME in the last few versions has started to look a lot like the Classic Mac OS?
[09:57] <blahrus> paulicat: hey whats up
[09:57] <paulicat> dude, do readcd dev=/dev/cdrom or whatever your rom drive is
[09:57] <blahrus> do I need to sudo?
[09:57] <paulicat> default readcd goes to /dev/sg*
[09:58] <paulicat> nope
[09:58] <akrabat> thully: in what sense?  single tasking with a common menu at the top ?!
[09:58] <wob> schweeb: so KDE wont be in Ubuntu because it would make Support a lot more complicated?
[09:58] <paulicat> just do readcd dev=/dev/cdrom
[09:58] <queuetue> akrabat, No, I think he means monochrome.
[09:58] <Marble2> is hoary official, no longer in beta now?
[09:58] <queuetue> Sorry, quadrachrome.
[09:58] <thully> and widgets and CD icons appearing on the desktop, as wellas spatial navigation
[09:58] <schweeb> wob: well a) having the option for both on one CD is one more question for users to get confused on
[09:58] <daniels> bdale: it's probably just lamont inflating the stats
[09:59] <kayali> hello
[09:59] <bdale> daniels: heh
[09:59] <thully> I thought I heard somewhere that some former Mac OS engineers worked on part of GNOME
[09:59] <nictuku> Hi. Is "ifconfig eth0:1 <ip> netmask <mask> up" really enough to create an alias? It's not pinging from a remote address..
[09:59] <queuetue> thully, Ximian were mac UI guys.
[09:59] <queuetue> No, not ximian...
[09:59] <nictuku> I mean, aliased ethernet address
[09:59] <queuetue> Which comapny built nautilus?
[09:59] <kayali> anyone can point me to some info about Ubuntu's init scripts and how to mannage them? like deciding what to start at boot time, etc... ?
[09:59] <akrabat> I still haven't decided if I like spatial or not
[09:59] <queuetue> They were mac guys.
[10:00] <schweeb> nictuku: you could use the iproute2 package to make virtual addresses on the same real interface
[10:00] <akrabat> now that they have fixed the "file browser" title bar so that the folder is first, that's become usable too
[10:00] <jeramy> Anyone else feel the need for a program that manages startup services?
[10:00] <Simplondio> this distro include serves? who apache or samba
[10:00] <bdale> jeramy: you mean vi?
[10:00] <djp> http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=02442#0
[10:00] <raz0> So.. Which packages do I have to apt-get to make mp3 and movie playback work in rhythmbox/totem player in Hoary?
[10:01] <schweeb> nictuku: ip addr add x.x.x.x dev eth0
[10:01] <nictuku> hmmm
[10:01] <jeramy> bdale, heh.  No, I mean some GUI app that lets you, say, have sshd not start up.  :)
[10:01] <akrabat> bdale: you've misspelt vim !
[10:01] <schweeb> then to list, ip adr list eth0
[10:01] <schweeb> er addr
[10:01] <envel> thanks!
[10:01] <envel> to akrabaty
[10:01] <kayali> raz0: last time I tried hoary, it was still the only distro I know that can't play mp3 or xvid... left a kinda strange impression to my ibook ;)
[10:01] <nictuku> schweeb: I'll try that one. Thank you very much.
[10:01] <Simplondio> this distro include serves? who apache or samba
[10:01] <akrabat> np envel :)
[10:01] <schweeb> Simplondio: ya
[10:01] <bdale> akrabat: vim is a 4-letter word
[10:02] <Simplondio> what?
[10:02] <thully> oh yeah,and they also have "Force Quit" which is also what the Mac calls killing an application
[10:02] <schweeb> Simplondio: it includes apache, samba, and most other regular server services
[10:02] <akrabat> thully  :)  is it bad that it's taken some macos design cues ?
[10:02] <raz0> kayali, Yeah but I assume you just need to get the right packages. Don't you think?
[10:02] <Simplondio> sorry im not english good
[10:02] <delltony> whats the correct way to use mkisofs please isn't it mkisofs -dvd-video -udf  directoryofvobs>nameof.iso
[10:03] <airox> Anybody got a nice linux replacement for Dreamweaver MX 2004 ?
[10:03] <Simplondio> tank yoy very much
[10:03] <airox> I need ftp and php support.
[10:03] <hawke_> thully: well, "force quit" is not a bad term...better than "kill", which is the traditional *nix term.
[10:03] <kayali> raz0: gstreamer-mad for mp3 playback (it's in universe) and maybe totem-xine for any video needs. I still find it bizzare that ubuntu can't play anything by default... that must have turn thousands of people off of it already ;)
[10:03] <akrabat> incidentally, anyone know how to get gnome to highlight the taskbar "button" for a window that wants to have focus? e.g. make gaim's "urgent" hint do something useful ?
[10:04] <Myrtti> kayali: it's because divx and mp3 aren't open file formats
[10:04] <Myrtti> kayali: software patents etc
[10:04] <desrt> how do i tell dpkg to *actually* ignore deps?
[10:04] <kayali> Myrtti: I'm talking about xvid. for mp3 I do understand.
[10:04] <queuetue> How do I check what version of  a package is installed?
[10:05] <akrabat> queuetue: look it up in synaptic ?
[10:05] <goldfish> dpkg -I ?
[10:05] <akrabat> hmm.. is uninstalling "ubuntu-desktop" bad?
[10:05] <queuetue> akrabat, with apt-get, not synaptic.
[10:05] <Vjaz> akrabat: No, it's not bad.
[10:05] <apokryphos> akrabat: not really
[10:05] <raz0> kayali, Yeah, that I would guess. Thanks by the way. :)
[10:05] <DrScott> queuetue: apt-cache policy <package>
[10:06] <Vjaz> akrabat: The only problem is that if the software selection changes, you won't see it.
[10:06] <Vjaz> akrabat: If they replaced Rhythmbox with Muine in 5.10 for example.
[10:06] <schweeb> akrabat: it's a virtual package, that brings in all the packages that ubuntu deems to be a base desktop
[10:06] <akrabat> vjaz: is that a problem? maybe I'll just keep evolution around
[10:06] <Vjaz> akrabat: Well not a big problem really.
[10:07] <Vjaz> akrabat: And you could check from time to time what it would install.
[10:07] <akrabat> vjaz: good idea !
[10:07] <akrabat> wonder if I can store saved searches in synaptic...
[10:07] <Vjaz> akrabat: That way you'll see what's new, and hand pick that.
[10:07] <djp> airox: closest thing at present is probably http://www.nvu.com/
[10:07] <Vjaz> :-)
[10:08] <lamont> bdale: still here?
[10:08] <Vjaz> I actually thought I wanted to use Thunderbird, but then I installed it and decided I don't want it after all. :-/
[10:08] <akrabat> lol
[10:08] <bdale> lamont: sort of
[10:08] <Vjaz> Evolution seems more polished or something.
[10:08] <apokryphos> Thunderbird is nice, so is Evolution. I quite like kmail though with the kontact intergration.
[10:08] <akrabat> I use it on windows - it's easier to sync my rule filters
[10:08] <Vjaz> There isn't even a notable difference in memory requirements unlike I was expecting.
[10:09] <akrabat> though I haven't actually tried evolution
[10:09] <Vjaz> I checked... Thunderbird actually uses a bit more than Evolution unless I made a mistake.
[10:09] <akrabat> maybe I should have a look
[10:09] <vixus> Are there any small programs (gui) that the linux world needs? I want to give something back, and learn some more coding.
[10:09] <akrabat> does evo have a resonable spam filter ?
[10:09] <Vjaz> I would probably use Sylpheed, but the problem is that it isn't multithreaded, which drives me crazy.
[10:10] <akrabat> vixus: a text editor :)
[10:10] <vixus> XD
[10:10] <goldfish> How do you check what version of perl you have installed?
[10:10] <vixus> akrabat aren't there enough of those?
[10:10] <apokryphos> Err... there are plenty of text editors around.
[10:10] <akrabat> goldfish: perl --version
[10:10] <Vjaz> It means that if my IMAP server is responding slowly, it will look like Sylpheed hangs.
[10:10] <apokryphos> and good ones
[10:10] <akrabat> vixus yes!
[10:10] <goldfish> akrabat: heh
[10:10] <goldfish> ty
[10:10] <akrabat> vixus, it's the typical first project that everyone does
[10:10] <schweeb> lots of people use Mutt
[10:11] <schweeb> mutt's a cmd line email viewer
[10:11] <vixus> Yeah, but... it's kinda boring =|
[10:11] <apokryphos> vixus: you could always learn and try to contribute to one of the projects around
[10:11] <Aapzak> mutt = kewl
[10:11] <akrabat> I've never got on with Mutt
[10:11] <vixus> I want to code something from scratch (only something small)
[10:11] <vixus> any utilities the linux world wants (or at least you guys)?
[10:11] <confrey> hi everybody
[10:11] <Aapzak> yeah , nzb leecher
[10:12] <Aapzak> vixus: nzbleecher, you know it?
[10:12] <apokryphos> vixus: a kde program for torrents and a kde client for the gnutella network :P
[10:12] <vixus> :P|
[10:12] <Aapzak> please, no KDE :)
[10:12] <vixus> bit hard for a starter, no? Also, no kde.
[10:12] <paulicat> kde client for gnutella, use apollon and gift
[10:12] <apokryphos> as much as poss ;-)
[10:12] <vixus> gnome!
[10:12] <apokryphos> noo!
[10:12] <vixus> Anything else?
[10:12] <confrey> I have a laptop, Amilo A1640; can anybody help me to configure acpi? (sleep, lid and so on)
[10:12] <Aapzak> lol, Ubuntu and KDE don't seem a logical combi to me
[10:12] <jesuel> vixus: A gnome interface for cisco's vpn client.
[10:12] <vixus> o_O
[10:13] <tuxella> 'lo all
[10:13] <djp> apokryphos: for torrents, azureus
[10:13] <vixus> ok.
[10:13] <vixus> erm.
[10:13] <Aapzak> azureus rocks!
[10:13] <apokryphos> Yes, I use that now. Still, would be nice to use only kde for everything. :P
[10:13] <Aapzak> really, very little to improve there
[10:13] <Aapzak> apokryphos: whats up with the KDE obsession?
[10:14] <jesuel> vixus: http://www.csuchico.edu/stcp/vpn4.6/
[10:14] <apokryphos> Aapzak: it's the kde affect; brainwashed.
[10:14] <Aapzak> :)
[10:14] <djp> aapzak: only pain with azureus is the need for java. that is the only reason java is on my machine... azureus
[10:14] <airox> djp: Isn't there something nicer that supports php highlighting and autocompletion ? nvu seem stupididly easy :/
[10:14] <apokryphos> djp: no limewire?
[10:14] <Aapzak> apokryphos: KDE is nice, but reminds me too much of windows
[10:14] <apokryphos> airox: Quanta?
[10:14] <Aapzak> djp: I know, big drawback
[10:15] <tuxella> as somebody already installer he Hoary preview on a sata HD ?
[10:15] <apokryphos> Aapzak: I find it funny that Gnome-ers say that about KDE, and the same happens visa versa. :D
[10:15] <djp> airox: that is as close as it gets as far as i know in terms of wysiwyg
[10:15] <apokryphos> Both guilty of the same vices, I guess.
[10:15] <javiolo> any vidalinux user?
[10:15] <Aapzak> apokryphos: lol
[10:15] <djp> airox: bluefish or quanta plus are excellent editors
[10:15] <airox> I don't need wysiwyg ;) I used dreamweaver in 'code' mode.
[10:15] <airox> I used Dreamweaver mostly because it supported asp highlighting as well.
[10:16] <akrabat> airox: I won't recommend Zend Studio then :)
[10:16] <djp> apokryphos: like azureus enough to have java installed just to use it!
[10:16] <airox> Zend Studio seems perfect, but people tell me it's slow :/
[10:16] <akrabat> it's snappy for me
[10:17] <apokryphos> djp: it's a very nice program, to be sure.
[10:17] <akrabat> except when coming back from being minimized for ages
[10:17] <djp> airox: in that case check out vluefish or quanta plus
[10:18] <airox> ;)
[10:18] <tuxella> please ?
[10:18] <airox> djp: You mean bluefish i guess ?
[10:18] <akrabat> ok.. back to my places menu!
[10:18] <apokryphos> akrabat: I think you'll have to compile
[10:18] <akrabat> how do I remove something from it ?!
[10:19] <akrabat> I'm nearly sure I found them somewhere for my last laptop
[10:19] <djp> airox: sure! apologies for the slight of hand. reaching for my hot mug of tea that does that...
[10:19] <airox> Thanks djp!
[10:20] <Lemonzest> is there a way for qt apps to take the current gtk2 theme? like on fedura/mandrake? its so i can make skype less ugly
[10:20] <djp> does anybody know if it is at all possible to install mjpegtools under warty???
[10:21] <paulicat> fedora/mandrake have custom themes for both kde and gtk2
[10:21] <apokryphos> paulicat: did you require anything extra other than apollon and gift from the repos?
[10:21] <Fator_Dee> djp: I have it installed
[10:22] <djp> Fator_dee: how? please, please, please tell me!!! it is driving me nuts!!!
[10:22] <akrabat> anyone know if the skype debian package works ?
[10:22] <Fator_Dee> djp: well, umm, just synaptic'ed it :-p
[10:23] <paulicat> apokryphos, nope, everything you need is there
[10:23] <djp> Fator_Dee: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=19102
[10:23] <apokryphos> paulicat: seem to be having the same problem I've had with most other gnutella clients... not connecting. Will try changing the listening ports, might help.
[10:23] <djp> Fator_Dee: are you running warty or hoary?
[10:24] <Lemonzest> paulicat: do you know if there is the human theme for qt apps?
[10:24] <paulicat> Apok - yea, make sure your ports are all correct...it does work, I use gnome, so I use giftui, but apollon is really nice for kde
[10:24] <Lemonzest> maybe the bunty devs need to make one?
[10:24] <Fator_Dee> djp: warty
[10:24] <paulicat> Apparantly someone has made a colour scheme..I saw it on ubuntuforums
[10:25] <monitor> been having a problem with xhost, are there any ubuntu securety odities?
[10:25] <djp> Fator_Dee: did you read my forum post? that is the problem i get when i try and apt-get/synaptic etc...
[10:25] <airox> Won't quanta plus install a lot dependencies because it's interface is KDE related ?
[10:25] <akrabat> airox: yes
[10:25] <apokryphos> yup
[10:26] <airox> Then bluefish it will be :)
[10:26] <Fator_Dee> djp: reading it, I'm looking at my synaptic right now to get a hang of this situation
[10:26] <djp> Fator_Dee: thanks for this...
[10:26] <Fator_Dee> djp: don't thank my yet, don't know if I'm able to solve anything
[10:27] <kayali> airox: well... quanta is still so much more than bluefish anyway....
[10:27] <looksaus> hm, I just registered on launchpad to translate via rosetta
[10:27] <looksaus> at least, I attempted to
[10:27] <djp> Fator_Dee: not to worry, taking the time to give it a go deserves some appreciation ;)
[10:27] <airox> kayali: Yes, it seems quanta looks a lot nicer indeed.
[10:28] <looksaus> I got an email with an URL for registration in it, but that one didn't work
[10:28] <Fator_Dee> djp: what version are you trying to install? 1:1.6.2-0.6 would be my guess?
[10:28] <looksaus> "sorry, this is not available yet"
[10:28] <djp> Fator_Dee: does your sources.list look any different? maybe you have some extra repos that i don't?
[10:28] <djp> Fator_Dee: let me check...
[10:29] <crypticreign> anyone else getting this??  fresh install of hoary, the kernel starts to boot and says "/sbin/init: 428: cannot open dev/console:No such FIle   Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init"
[10:30] <djp> Fator_Dee: yep, the one you mention is the one that synaptic defaults to
[10:30] <Fator_Dee> djp: cause I have 1:1.6.2-sarge0.4 :-\
[10:31] <djp> Fator_Dee: which version have you installed?
[10:31] <djp> Fator_Dee: oops, beat me 2 it!
[10:31] <djp> Fator_Dee: is that working fine for you?
[10:32] <Fator_Dee> djp: yes it has
[10:32] <akrabat> so.. to install kde, I just apt-get kdebase ?
[10:32] <Fator_Dee> djp: you using synaptic?
[10:32] <apokryphos> akrabat: if you want all kde stuff, then apt-get install kde-core
[10:33] <apokryphos> akrabat: if you just want quanta, then just install quanta and it'll resolve the dependencies for you.
[10:33] <akrabat> no - I want to look at the DE
[10:33] <djp> Fator_Dee: can do...
[10:33] <apokryphos> akrabat: DE?
[10:33] <akrabat> see what it's like nowadays
[10:33] <akrabat> Desktop Environment
[10:33] <Fator_Dee> djp: try selecting the mjpegtools package, then go to versions and try installing the warty or sarge version instead of the unstable one
[10:33] <Fator_Dee> djp: package -> force package
[10:34] <djp> Fator_Dee: just need to force the version right? do you know how to do that with apt-get? just interested iz all...
[10:34] <apokryphos> akrabat: you want to "look" at it? So you want to install it?
[10:34] <akrabat> yes
[10:34] <apokryphos> akrabat: then go for kde-core
[10:34] <akrabat> so kde-core is the one
[10:34] <Fator_Dee> djp: don't know how to do it in the commando line
[10:34] <akrabat> you type quicker than me!
[10:34] <apokryphos> that's right
[10:34] <apokryphos> heh
[10:35] <djp> Fator_Dee: thanks. i will let you know how i get on. going to give it a shot now...
[10:39] <djp> Fator_Dee: sudo apt-get -s -t warty install mjpegtools is the command to do the same with apt-get. just remove the -s to actually install. it appears that it will work by the way! thank you Fator_Dee! if i could i'd buy you a pint!
[10:39] <airox> djp: You could buy me one instead you know!
[10:39] <Fator_Dee> djp: I'll keep THAT in mind :-p~~, (mmmm.. free beer..)
[10:40] <airox> :)
[10:40] <airox> Fator_Dee: Share! bitch!
[10:40] <Fator_Dee> :-|
[10:40] <Fator_Dee> beer mine!
[10:40] <airox> No way!
[10:42] <neom> How many people have updated to hoary?
[10:42] <apokryphos> 1,762
[10:43] <emacse1> Hi. I have Warty installed, but don't seem to have X acceleration. Not sure what I should do
[10:44] <apokryphos> neom: no, there's no real way to know. Vast majority of persons in here seem to have it installed.
[10:45] <schweeb> emacse1: what do you mean by X acceleration?
[10:45] <emacse1> schweeb: well, none of the GL apps work in hardware, and mplayer can't use any video out except x11
[10:45] <HrdwrBoB> emacse1: what video card
[10:46] <emacse1> shoot. hold on (getting lspci)
[10:46] <emacse1> 0000:00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G] /GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 01)
[10:47] <HrdwrBoB> you should get xv on an 845
[10:47] <HrdwrBoB> glx no, xv, yes
[10:47] <emacse1> k, hold on
[10:47] <emacse1> all I get is a blue window
[10:48] <emacse1> it *could* be an mplayer problem but I've never had a problem with it before
[10:48] <tims> it's a feature
[10:48] <schweeb> are you sure you have the codec for that type of video installed?
[10:49] <emacse1> schweeb: well it works with x11
[10:49] <schweeb> hrm?
[10:49] <orp> i ppl!
[10:49] <emacse1> schweeb: it works with -vo x11 in mplayer
[10:49] <schweeb> x11? that's about the most generic thing you could say about X windows
[10:49] <schweeb> ah
[10:50] <ubuntu> hey ho hey ho
[10:50] <schweeb> emacse1: type 'xdpyinfo|grep XVideo' and check if XVideo is available
[10:50] <orp> some one use a  2.4.26-1-k6 kernel ?
[10:50] <guerby> hi, I'm new to ubuntu/debian, is there an easy way to see the list of packages of the upcoming ubuntu release (with their source version) on the web?
[10:50] <orp> i am win alsa problem
[10:51] <schweeb> orp: I don't think 2.4 kernels are supported in ubuntu at all
[10:51] <emacse1> schweeb: the result of that command is:     XVideo
[10:51] <schweeb> considering all the advanced features of 2.6 that ubuntu uses
[10:51] <orp> yes they are it came with the reelese
[10:51] <schweeb> emacse1: hrm, pretty sure that's the extension that XV uses
[10:51] <sh1mmer> can someone point me at a howto/wiki for upgrading warty to hoary?
[10:52] <emacse1> schweeb: is there another app I can use to test it?
[10:52] <schweeb> orp: what disk did you install from?
[10:52] <bryan> emacse1:  www.ubuntuguide.org
[10:52] <schweeb> emacse1: umm totem?
[10:52] <HrdwrBoB> guerby: there would be somewhere, but I can't think of where offhand
[10:52] <bryan> ooops
[10:52] <schweeb> there's a guide to XV somewhere... don't remember where though
[10:52] <bryan> that was for sh1mmer
[10:52] <orp> the same i have with 2.6 kernel
[10:52] <bryan> sh1mmer:  www.ubuntuguide.org
[10:52] <sh1mmer> ta
[10:53] <akrabat> who removed the ctrl+H shortcut from nautilus ?!?!?!?
[10:53] <guerby> HrdwrBoB, I browsed the repository and found various Packages.gz, there's a list of package names, but no software version
[10:53] <airox> I did akrabat !
[10:53] <akrabat> maybe I was the only one who used it :)
[10:54] <sh1mmer> thx guys.
[10:54] <bryan> coming from windows i need a ctrl+w shortcut
[10:54] <HrdwrBoB> guerby: you could put a hoary line in your apt sources.list
[10:54] <bryan> glad it atleast works in firefox
[10:54] <HrdwrBoB> and then run apt-cache show on packages you're interested it
[10:54] <akrabat> close window?
[10:54] <bryan> yea
[10:54] <HrdwrBoB> then remove the entrty or change it back afterwards
[10:54] <akrabat> that work in explorer?
[10:54] <bryan> yup
[10:54] <akrabat> I never knew that ?!
[10:54] <airox> bryan: Try System -> Preferences -> Short keys (or something similar)
[10:54] <guerby> HrdwrBoB, I've only tested the Live CD yet, I'm trying to find out the versions included in ubuntu of the software I currently use on SuSE 9.2
[10:55] <orp> use synaptic to list packages
[10:55] <HrdwrBoB> guerby: tell me what packages you're interested in and I'll tell you what versions they are atm
[10:55] <orp> some one elp me with alsa on 2.4.26-1-k6
[10:55] <orp> please?
[10:55] <bryan> OMFG
[10:55] <bryan> thanks airox
[10:55] <HrdwrBoB> orp: you should be using 2.6
[10:56] <bryan> and it works with all the cool media keys on my keyboard too!
[10:56] <orp> i cant it crash my pc k6
[10:56] <bryan> i can set stop/play/vol +/-
[10:56] <guerby> HrdwrBoB, there's a lot, out of memory: gnomemeeting, emacs, evolution, firefox, xchat, gaim, mplayer, videolan, xpdf
[10:56] <HrdwrBoB> iminj: what do you mean
[10:56] <orp> i have 2.6 on my best pc
[10:56] <Xappe> damn, I can't get suspend to work
[10:56] <HrdwrBoB> guerby: msg me a space seperated list
[10:57] <airox> Xappe: suspend to ram or disk ?
[10:57] <schweeb> orp: did you dist upgrade from debian or something
[10:57] <orp> yes i have
[10:57] <schweeb> orp: I'm nearly 100% sure that 2.4 didn't come with warty... and is unsupported
[10:57] <orp> look it cames
[10:57] <orp> see on apt
[10:58] <schweeb> dist-upgrade from debian is an unsupported route
[10:58] <guerby> HrdwrBoB, I'm surprised it's that hard to get this list, on RPM based distro repo it's usually dead simple to find out :)
[10:58] <orp> see on apt-cache search k6
[10:58] <guerby> without installing first
[10:58] <HrdwrBoB> guerby: the main problem with this is there's no paackages.ubuntu.org
[10:58] <orp> all app works very well but no sound
[10:59] <schweeb> orp: note that the package is in universe
[10:59] <orp> yap
[10:59] <schweeb> meaning it was brought in from debian automatically
[10:59] <schweeb> and is unsupported
[10:59] <guerby> HrdwrBoB, well everything is hosted on ubuntu in the end, so it should be just a matter of knowing where and point a browser there
[11:00] <orp> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe
[11:00] <orp> yes
[11:00] <guerby> orp, I browsed around from the URL but could not find where are the source packages (I spent 10 minutes on it)
[11:01] <orp> i have it
[11:01] <schweeb> guerby: it's a universe package
[11:01] <orp> from apt
[11:01] <orp> i show you
[11:01] <guerby> schweeb, as I said I don't have ubuntu installed, so no apt
[11:02] <akrabat> The new tab icon in Firefox is terrible on my monitor...
[11:03] <orp>  guerby: do it "sudo apt-cache search k6"
[11:03] <desrt> this whole kernel installation thing
[11:03] <desrt> i should probably just ignore it, right?
[11:03] <schweeb> orp: let me ask you this: have you tried a fresh install from an actual Ubuntu installer disk?  possibly even the new Hoary preview disk?  because if 2.6 crashes for you, you need to report a bug
[11:03] <schweeb> desrt: yes
[11:04] <desrt> awesome
[11:04] <desrt> is it safe to edit the grub config by hand?
[11:04] <guerby> I want to find out first if everything I use has an appropriate version before I switch
[11:04] <orp> yep it realy crash but only this hardware the otheres are fantastic
[11:06] <bryan> o_O 22 new updates available
[11:06] <schweeb> preview freeze is over ;)
[11:06] <akrabat> lol
[11:06] <akrabat> I do like the way that nautilus opens up a window when I plug in my usbdisk :)
[11:06] <schweeb> mad rush to fix all the bugs that weren't important enough for preview, but are necessary to fix before release
[11:08] <desrt> hm
[11:08] <desrt> akrabat; this doesn't happen for me
[11:08] <xiglet> is there a xmms output plugin for gnome sound server?
[11:08] <akrabat> on hoardy, desrt?
[11:08] <akrabat> hoary, even!
[11:09] <^jaco> hi all
[11:09] <desrt> akrabat; installed preview this morning
[11:09] <Agrajag> gnome sound server?
[11:09] <Agrajag> you mean ESD?
[11:09] <^jaco> gnome 2.10 is out!
[11:09] <desrt> yes.  esd.... as in "killall esd"
[11:09] <xiglet> I guess, I thought ESD was Enlightenment
[11:09] <^jaco> will be it included with hoary?
[11:09] <Vjaz> Agrajag: actually, in Hoary, they use Polypaudio
[11:09] <schweeb> ^jaco: of course
[11:09] <xiglet> i'm using hoary preview
[11:09] <^jaco> :) yeppa :)
[11:09] <desrt> jaco; the release of hoary is timed to include gnome 2.10
[11:09] <Agrajag> Vjaz: do they
[11:09] <schweeb> Hoary is developed around the GNOME release cycle
[11:09] <Agrajag> I'm using hoary now
[11:09] <Vjaz> Agrajag: Yep.
[11:09] <desrt> ubuntu's release schedule mirrors gnome's
[11:09] <Agrajag> and it's esd
[11:10] <Vjaz> Agrajag: just see if you have "esd" running
[11:10] <Vjaz> Agrajag: then check if you have "polypaudio" running
[11:10] <akrabat> desrt: maybe I'm lucky...
[11:10] <schweeb> Vjaz: polyp was canned
[11:10] <Agrajag> $ ps aux|grep esd
[11:10] <Agrajag> zaphod    8803  0.2  0.8   5888  4484 ?        S    01:14   1:46 /usr/bin/esd -nobeeps
[11:10] <Vjaz> schweeb: oh
[11:10] <Vjaz> hm...
[11:10] <schweeb> Vjaz: it wasn't good enough
[11:10] <Vjaz> damnn
[11:10] <desrt> akrabat; maybe.  trying a new kernel now to find out for sure :)
[11:10] <Aapzak> boys and girls, upgrade to hoary went very well
[11:10] <Agrajag> anyway, yes there is an xmms output plugin for ESD
[11:10] <Agrajag> should be installed with xmms
[11:10] <bryan> as it should
[11:11] <goldfish> Sorry guys, just wondering where I put new perl modules in ubuntu after i d/l them....
[11:11] <Vjaz> hm... ah... this is the reason you shouldn't uninstall evolution or openoffice ;-)
[11:11] <Vjaz> or ubuntu-desktop to be exact
[11:11] <^jaco> hoary has already openoffice 2.0 preview
[11:11] <hawke_> why was polypaudio canned?
[11:11] <Vjaz> hm...
[11:11] <^jaco> and with gnome 2.10
[11:11] <ions> anywhere I can get a list of the hoary repos for my sources.list as I upgrade from Warty to Haory?
[11:11] <schweeb> hawke_: too problematic
[11:11] <bryan> yeah, when i try to remove evolution, it tries to remove evolution
[11:11] <^jaco> it will be the best distro
[11:11] <bryan> i mean
[11:11] <schweeb> it's now slated for next release, prolly
[11:11] <bryan> tries to remove ubuntu-desktop too
[11:11] <Vjaz> no, it doesn't seem to change it if I install ubuntu-desktop
[11:12] <xiglet> Agrajag: strange, cant see it .. and apt-cache search doesn't find anyting eighter
[11:12] <schweeb> bryan: of course
[11:12] <Vjaz> schweeb: when did they change it?
[11:12] <schweeb> ummm, 2-3 days ago
[11:12] <bryan> why of course?
[11:12] <Agrajag> xiglet: you don't see "eSound Output Plugin" in the list?
[11:12] <orp> i like what i have why install a new
[11:12] <orp> ?
[11:12] <schweeb> bryan: ubuntu-desktop is a metapackage for the ubuntu-desktop base
[11:12] <Vjaz> schweeb: ah ok, maybe apt-get update helps for me then... I thought I had done that a while ago though
[11:12] <Agrajag> libesdout.so?
[11:12] <xiglet> Agrajag: that's the same? oh ... :-|
[11:12] <orp> yes apt-get upgrade
[11:13] <pepsi> hey.. human is less grey
[11:13] <pepsi> and a little bulgier
[11:13] <schweeb> bryan: brings in all the packages ubuntu deems to be a basic desktop system
[11:13] <hawke_> pepsi: and more purple.  I do not like it.
[11:13] <pepsi> purple?
[11:13] <orp> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[11:13] <xiglet> Agrajag: tnx ... I thought eSound was Enlightenment-stuff ... :)
[11:13] <pepsi> its a brown tint
[11:13] <Vjaz> schweeb: at the moment, it seems like removing polypaudio removes ubuntu-desktop for me
[11:13] <hawke_> pepsi: yes...that's how it looks here.
[11:13] <pepsi> hrm
[11:13] <HrdwrBoB> xiglet: it started off sort of like that
[11:13] <schweeb> bryan: when you remove one of the packages ubuntu-desktop requires, ubuntu-desktop's dependencies aren't completely satisfied... so it has to be removed as well
[11:13] <hawke_> pepsi: looks like the skin of NCC-1701D
[11:14] <pepsi> wuzzat?
[11:14] <Vjaz> schweeb: but yes, it seems like after apt-get update ubuntu-desktop is updated again, so maybe it'll work
[11:14] <schweeb> Vjaz: rather than removing polyp, install esd
[11:14] <HrdwrBoB> Vjaz: yes but esdound provides esound
[11:14] <HrdwrBoB> so if you install esd
[11:14] <HrdwrBoB> it will update correctly
[11:14] <schweeb> ^^^^^
[11:14] <xiglet> hoary rocks!
[11:14] <schweeb> polyp was designed to be a drop in replacement
[11:14] <Vjaz> polyp provides esound?
[11:14] <schweeb> so it provides esound
[11:14] <Vjaz> of course
[11:14] <bryan> thanks schweeb
[11:14] <hawke_> pepsi: star trek the next generation spaceship...grey with a hint of very very very light purple.
[11:15] <Vjaz> well this is annoying
[11:15] <Vjaz> this is what I've been wondering about
[11:15] <pepsi> hawke, im not sure how you see it as purple.. its kind of a rosy brown tint... you'll get used to it :P
[11:15] <Vjaz> I mean if I use the development version... I miss that kind of changes
[11:16] <hawke_> pepsi: it could well be my monitor.
[11:16] <Vjaz> Just upgrading doesn't fix that. If it hadn't been brought up, I'd be using polypaudio for quite a while before someone told me.
[11:16] <hawke_> pepsi: But I see no hint of brown.
[11:16] <pepsi> it for sure adds more color though, which could be distracting i guess
[11:16] <pepsi> seems subtle enough that i can get used to it though
[11:17] <HrdwrBoB> Vjaz: currently they are updating the packages such that an upgrade would bring in esound
[11:17] <Vjaz> Ah, ok.
[11:17] <Vjaz> That's good.
[11:17] <Vjaz> Maybe it's not that bad after all then.
[11:17] <HrdwrBoB> yeah, it's a temporary bad situation
[11:17] <HrdwrBoB> which is what happens with development :)
[11:17] <Vjaz> Hm... regarding that kind of... Is the cursor in Hoary fixed yet?
[11:17] <pepsi> Vjaz, the ugly watch you mean
[11:18] <pepsi> ?
[11:18] <Vjaz> On my system I still get the standard black cursor from X.
[11:18] <hawke_> schweeb: What were the problems with polyp?  I had a problem where I had no sound until I killed it and ran it manually...but after an upgrade of that, it was fine...
[11:18] <Vjaz> pepsi: Yes, I mean the ugly standard cursors, including the watch.
[11:18] <pepsi> i like the cursors like that :)
[11:18] <pepsi> except the watch
[11:18] <bryan> Vjaz:  get gcursor
[11:18] <cocol> apt-get install gcursors
[11:18] <schweeb> hawke_: it had numerous issues... you'd have to ask mdz or jdub or someone
[11:18] <bryan> and then search the ubuntu forums
[11:18] <bryan> and download the warty cursors
[11:18] <l0wrd> help!  my sound doenst work.
[11:19] <bryan> they're in a post somewhere
[11:19] <hawke_> Vjaz: I like the standard cursors. :-)  Is there any (non-horribly-complicated) way to manually change the cursors?
[11:19] <Aapzak> was there anyone inhere asking for a KDE client for torrents?
[11:19] <Vjaz> bryan: well I was just wondering if they had already fixed it and I somehow missed the update for same kind of reasons that I missed the polypaudio->esd change
[11:20] <hawke_> Aapzak: qtorrent?
[11:20] <Aapzak> there is qtorrent, a qt 3.0 client
[11:20] <Vjaz> bryan: I don't mind using the standard cursors
[11:20] <Aapzak> thats a yes :)
[11:20] <pepsi> R: 239 G: 235 B: 231 is the color of window backgrounds
[11:20] <Vjaz> hawke_: gcursor is fine I guess
[11:20] <Aapzak> kfile-plugins provide a torrent plugin for kfile
[11:20] <hawke_> Vjaz: thx, neat...
[11:21] <bascule> where is updatedb called from after ubuntu hasn't been booted for a while?
[11:21] <Aapzak> apokryphos, was it you, the KDE user?
[11:21] <bascule> obviously not cron .. or is it?
[11:21] <hawke_> bascule: it is
[11:21] <hawke_> bascule: or anacron maybe.
[11:21] <Aapzak> part of daily prob
[11:21] <Aapzak> anacron = cron
[11:22] <bascule> k, I was doing a >4GB dvdburn, a little worrying on the buffer levels
[11:22] <Pointwood> what do you guys use to rip CD's? I want to rip a CD to FLAC
[11:22] <hawke_> Aapzak: anacron != cron
[11:22] <Aapzak> anacron = a cron daemon,
[11:22] <Aapzak> ?
[11:22] <bascule> so in the cron job, if it isn't called there and then it will continue trying every x mins til success?
[11:23] <hawke_> Aapzak: nope...anacron is similar, but it runs jobs even if their time was missed.  Fills a different function than cron.
[11:23] <bascule> :)
[11:23] <Aapzak> ah
[11:23] <l0wrd> help:  I dont have any sound, and alsa doesnt have any config tools that i find to specify a sound card.  any help here?
[11:23] <apokryphos> Aapzak: yup
[11:23] <Aapzak> apokryphos, did you ask for a torrent client?
[11:23] <hawke_> bascule: Nope.  It runs only at whatever time.  If it's missed, too bad.
[11:23] <Xappe> airox, ram I guess...when closing lid
[11:23] <apokryphos> Aapzak: sure
[11:24] <airox> Xappe: Which laptop ?
[11:24] <bascule> hawke_: well it is running now at 22:23 my time
[11:24] <Aapzak> qtorrent is a qt client
[11:24] <Xappe> airox, ibook g3
[11:24] <apokryphos> Aapzak: Yup, I know of that one. It's alright.
[11:24] <bascule> actually it is running amndb
[11:24] <bascule> mandb
[11:24] <Aapzak> ok, there is also a plugin for kfile
[11:24] <airox> ah, no experiences with it. Tried /etc/acpi/suspend.sh ?
[11:24] <Xappe> airox, what's the difference between suspend to ram and to disk?
[11:24] <HrdwrBoB> Xappe: one suspends to ram
[11:25] <HrdwrBoB> the other to disk
[11:25] <HrdwrBoB> :)
[11:25] <Xappe> haha
[11:25] <HrdwrBoB> one is a low power mode that can be resumed quickly
[11:25] <airox> Well suspending to ram will have the laptop consume more power than to disk.
[11:25] <HrdwrBoB> the other you can turn off
[11:25] <airox> But make it faster to resume :)
[11:25] <airox> You can suspend to disk and even run another operating system if you want.
[11:25] <hawke_> bascule: updatedb happens from cron.daily/slocate
[11:26] <bascule> I think I'll remove it
[11:26] <IRCMonkey> sick sad question but how do i use md5checksum
[11:26] <airox> Why ?
[11:26] <Xappe> well, since suspend to ram does not work, I guess it's the same for disk
[11:26] <Aapzak> hawke, does that mean it's being run as root?
[11:26] <hawke_> bascule: c'mon...don't you use "locate" all the time?
[11:26] <l0wrd> how do i configure ALSA?
[11:26] <airox> Xappe: You checked the dir /etc/acpi ?
[11:26] <bascule> yes, I also remeber to do it when *I* want .. :)
[11:27] <eyequeue> hawke:  slocate is secure instead
[11:27] <hawke_> Aapzak: updatedb?  yes..it has to.
[11:27] <bascule> hawke_: and during a 4GB DVD burn is *not* when *I* want ;)
[11:27] <hawke_> eyequeue: I know what slocate is, thanks.
[11:27] <Xappe> airox,  for what?
[11:27] <desrt> why is ubuntu sucking so hardly for me?
[11:27] <desrt> i mean, other people seem to rave about its goodness
[11:27] <Aapzak> hawke, when I AM root and run it, I get messages saying it's a security issue since users now can find files they normally can't
[11:27] <Xappe> airox, it suspends, but does not wake up again
[11:27] <eyequeue> hawke:  Aapzak used your nick, it was meant for him instead
[11:28] <airox> Xappe: Hmm..
[11:28] <l0wrd> desrt: what dont you like about it?  I just started using it today.
[11:28] <airox> Xappe: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-2368.html
[11:28] <Xappe> i've tried all the suggestions  on the forum and bugzilla, but none seems to work for me
[11:28] <Aapzak> eyequeue, I was addressing hawke :)
[11:28] <desrt> l0wrd; i've had a hell of a time setting up my printer and my usb storage devices don't work
[11:28] <airox> Xappe: ah, damn.
[11:29] <WillCooke> Holy Cr*p.  Sorry if this has already been mentioned, but has anyone seen the Mplayer homepage?
[11:29] <Xappe> airox, yup
[11:29] <WillCooke> http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/index.html
[11:29] <Xappe> airox, do you have any experience with pbbuttonsd?
[11:29] <l0wrd> desrt: any USB issues are probably because of hotplugging.
[11:29] <apokryphos> woaah
[11:29] <l0wrd> desrt: are you sure your hot plugging is working?
[11:29] <airox> Xappe: nope, i just got suspend working over here with a toshiba laptop.
[11:29] <desrt> l0wrd; no.  i'm not :)
[11:30] <Aapzak> WillCooke, was new to me ...
[11:30] <airox> It's shit all those suspend things ;)
[11:30] <desrt> i'd sort of assume that ubuntu takes care of that for me
[11:30] <l0wrd> desrt: :) check that out first.  try mounting the pen drive manually.
[11:30] <desrt> l0wrd; that works just fine
[11:30] <Xappe> airox, mhm, seems like I have to live without it
[11:31] <IRCMonkey> is there a way to download certain files that are on the disc?
[11:31] <eyequeue> WillCooke:  i had not seen it, thanks
[11:31] <desrt> oh.  one thing that does not work at all is sound
[11:31] <apokryphos> WillCooke: holy crap indeed :P
[11:31] <jesuel> Anyone know of a way to make the window list portion of the gnome panel transparent, the gnome panel is already transparent but that part isnt.
[11:31] <desrt> alsa loads fine.. i even hear my speakers make a popping noise when the driver is installed
[11:31] <desrt> and things think that they are playing
[11:31] <desrt> but no sound comes out of the speakers
[11:32] <desrt> so i go into alsamix and turn up every channel that there is.... still nothing
[11:32] <l0wrd> are they muted?
[11:32] <desrt> no.
[11:32] <LordC> Im having some weird dependacy issue, it is saying I dont have a file - but i do have it, only a later version
[11:32] <LordC> Depends: libopenh323-1.13.2 (>=1.13.5) but it is not installable
[11:32] <LordC> and I have Depends: libopenh323-1.15.2
[11:33] <l0wrd> desrt: i cant get my sound to work either.  cause i cant setup ALSA.
[11:33] <LordC> :S
[11:33] <l0wrd> desrt: it says i have no sound card selected.
[11:33] <desrt> so much for 'just works' :/
[11:33] <l0wrd> desrt: haha
[11:33] <l0wrd> desrt: brb
[11:33] <jeramy> I seem to be having problems with CUPS.  Anyone else?  I just tried installing ubuntu-desktop, and cupsys-driver-gimpprint isn't installing for me (Setting up cupsys-driver-gimpprint (4.2.7-4ubuntu1) ...
[11:33] <jeramy> No Gimp-Print PPD files to update.
[11:33] <jeramy>  * Restarting Common Unix Printing System: cupsd
[11:33] <jeramy> cupsd: Child exited with status 99!
[11:33] <jeramy> dpkg: error processing cupsys-driver-gimpprint (--configure):
[11:33] <jeramy>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2)
[11:36] <desrt> i wonder if the fact that i imported my home directory from gentoo is causing trouble
[11:40] <punkrockguy318> How can I upgrade from warty to the hoary preview?
[11:40] <HrdwrBoB> punkrockguy318: change 'warty' to 'hoary' in synaptic
[11:41] <punkrockguy318> that's all?
[11:41] <punkrockguy318> how safe is the upgrade?  should I run into any problems?
[11:41] <looksaus> punkrockguy318, probably not
[11:41] <airox> "There are 26 updates available" omg! :o
[11:41] <looksaus> backup your home directory
[11:41] <airox> 68,8M :(
[11:41] <punkrockguy318> alright
[11:41] <punkrockguy318> oh wait, i forgot
[11:41] <looksaus> then upgrade the thing
[11:42] <punkrockguy318> last time I upgraded to hoary, my nvidia card didn't work.. the new nvidia drivers don't support my card...
[11:42] <punkrockguy318> and i couldn't get the 6111 ones to work
[11:42] <bob2> looksaus: er
[11:42] <bob2> looksaus: nothing is ever going to touch /home
[11:42] <bob2> except maybe gnome\s migration scripts
[11:43] <looksaus> bob2, it's _always_ nice to have a backup of your /home
[11:43] <akrabat> how do I install a source package using apt-get ?
[11:43] <looksaus> especially if you want to be able to get back to your old situation very quickly
[11:44] <looksaus> akrabat, apt-get src
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[11:44] <akrabat> doesn't work
[11:44] <akrabat> aha
[11:44] <akrabat> it's apt-get source php5 :)
[11:45] <Einzelganger> How do you kill gam_server from preventing me from unmount partitions. A "killall gam_server" immediately starts a new proces gam_server blocking me from umounting any partition
[11:45] <looksaus> akrabat, sorry, I cut down on vowels :)
[11:45] <akrabat> *grin*
[11:46] <looksaus> akrabat, are you going to try and compile the php source package with different options?
[11:46] <akrabat> no
[11:46] <akrabat> different from what ?
[11:47] <looksaus> from the standard ones :)
[11:47] <akrabat> I couldn't find a deb package for php5
[11:47] <bob2> dude
[11:47] <akrabat> going to try the default set first and see what happens
[11:47] <bob2> if there's no binary deb, there's no source package, either
[11:47] <akrabat> will have to be tomorrow now thogh
[11:47] <akrabat> though
[11:47] <akrabat> there is a source package at dotdeb.org
[11:50] <js_> is there a graphical tool for handling what i want to start on boot? or do i need to use update-rc.d for everything?
[11:50] <eyequeue> lol
[11:52] <lewiz> Hi.  I'm wondering if anybody can answer a question about i18n.  I've seen the Wiki entry about different inputs but I wonder if the new preview release allows easy switching between English and Japanese (or Chinese) inputs?
[11:52] <looksaus> js_, I'm afraid so, but do listen to the others
[11:53] <looksaus> lewiz, you mean keyboards? there's the keyboard switcher applet
[11:53] <looksaus> and about everything in hoary is UTF-8, so that's also a huge leap forward
[11:53] <looksaus> (character encoding)
[11:54] <lewiz> looksaus: Hmm, I was meaning more along the lines of being able to type in hiragana/katakana or pinyin->character conversion.
[11:55] <looksaus> I'm sorry, it's quite difficult for me to imagine what you mean there exactly
[11:55] <looksaus> I'm from a country with 26 letters and (almost) no accents :)
[11:56] <lewiz> looksaus: Okay, I want to be able to write in Chinese characters.  So if I type ``nihao'' it converts that to the two characters.
[11:56] <lewiz> looksaus: Heh, I'm from England but I figure it would be real neat to be able to input Japanese :)  I'm struggling to learn a bit.
[11:58] <QMario> Hello everyone!
[11:58] <QMario> Who's using Hoary?
[11:59] <looksaus> QMario, me...
[11:59] <hawke_> QMario: me
[11:59] <QMario> How do I share printers over the network?
[11:59] <looksaus> (since about 6 weeks...)