[12:46] <jbailey> Is there a sane way to tell if NOEXEC is enabled or not on a given system?
[02:10] <zul> hey
[02:37] <lamont> hay
[02:38] <zul> how now brown cow
[02:38] <lamont> nah, hay is for horses
[02:38] <zul> heh i just fed the guinea pig
[02:38] <zul> so kind of same thing
[03:06] <lamont> heh
[03:06] <lamont> hrm.. I'm on  major lagtime today
[06:27] <fabbione> morning
[06:32] <fabbione> i guess nobody has been tracking the Debian kernel while i was away... right?
[06:36] <dilinger> i have!
[06:36] <dilinger> ;)
[06:39] <fabbione> yeah i know you do :)
[06:39] <fabbione> nobody did here
[06:39] <fabbione> and i can see a few hunderd tons of SECURITY and other important bug fixes
[06:40] <dilinger> i actually am about to release 2.6.10-6
[06:40] <dilinger> i have an i386 image compiling
[07:09] <fabbione> is there any abi breakage between debian 2.6.10-4 and -6?
[07:16] <dilinger> there shouldn't be
[07:16] <dilinger> i dropped the netfilter private frag queue stuff
[07:17] <dilinger> there's an amd64 fix that touches a header file, but it's a static inline function, so it shouldn't break stuff
[07:17] <dilinger> i'm also reenabling CONFIG_PREEMPT on i386, so as to avoid an ABINAME bump
[07:17] <dilinger> no point fixing that stuff in 2.6.10, and having it rot in NEW while we do the same thing in 2.6.11
[07:18] <fabbione> but that's in the kernel-image....
[07:18] <dilinger> right
[07:18] <dilinger> which you don't care about.  but i figured i'd mention for completeness
[07:18] <fabbione> yes.. i am not going to munge too much around with configs at this point in time
[07:19] <dilinger> i have a half written ruby script that does abi checking
[07:19] <dilinger> wrote it in an airport
[07:19] <dilinger> i should finish it tonight
[07:20] <fabbione> yeah but we were considering build-time checks
[07:20] <dilinger> right
[07:21] <dilinger> bounty it, and i'll have it done in a day or two :)
[07:21] <fabbione> in 99.9% of the cases we always pre-build on porting boxes
[07:21] <dilinger> in something other than ruby
[07:21] <fabbione> for bounties = mdz ;)
[07:21] <fabbione> the point isn't ruby or python or shell script
[07:22] <dilinger> well, if you're going to run it at build-time, it's an added build-dep
 sleep now
[07:22] <fabbione> yes.. but that isn't an issue
[07:22] <fabbione> just read all the irclogs :-)
[07:22] <fabbione> i need to go for a few minutes.. mother nature is calling me badly
[07:23] <dilinger> heh
[07:23] <dilinger> i need to start this i386 build anyways
[07:23] <fabbione> eheh
[07:25] <fabbione> jbailey: CONFIG_LOGO=n on all arches
[07:25] <fabbione> just committed
[07:41] <fabbione> HMMM
[07:41] <fabbione> there is something really unclear to me....
[07:49] <dilinger> fabbione: just checking vmlinux symbols doesn't work
[07:49] <dilinger> modules ABI need to be checked as well
[07:49] <fabbione> yeah i have been thinking about it...
[07:49] <dilinger> modules'
[07:50] <dilinger> my way is running nm on modules
[07:50] <fabbione> and i had the same idea.. 
[07:50] <dilinger> ie, nm /lib/modules/2.6.10/kernel/drivers/ide/ide-core.ko
[07:51] <dilinger> 3b97ad98 A __crc_ide_undecoded_slave
[07:51] <dilinger> 00007fa0 T ide_undecoded_slave
[07:51] <dilinger> that's 0x3b97ad98      ide_undecoded_slave     drivers/ide/ide-core in Module.symvers
[07:52] <dilinger> an abi checker needs to report any modules that are missing, and any changed symbols within modules
[08:14] <fabbione> first 2 things to do after hoary:
[08:14] <fabbione> - clean up the packing
[08:14] <fabbione> - allign the configs
[08:14] <fabbione> - abi checker if we cannot get it in hoary
[08:14] <fabbione> IT IS PURE MADNESS!
[08:16] <fabbione> we could have a kernel-config builder.. similar to kernel-wedge
[08:20] <dilinger> how about
[08:20] <dilinger> - synch packaging w/ debian
[08:20] <dilinger> since i think we both want the same things; the only place we seem to differ is w/ ubuntu's d-i stuff right in the source package
[08:21] <dilinger> differ in goals, that is
[08:21] <fabbione> and a bunch of extra modules compiled in
[08:21] <fabbione> but yes
[08:21] <fabbione> we need a common source
[08:21] <dilinger> yea, but that's not a packaging issue
[08:21] <dilinger> it'd make everyone's life easier, i think
[08:21] <fabbione> but we can't achive it until debian will not kill at least the kernel-source -> kernel-image madness
[08:22] <fabbione> i fully agree
[08:22] <dilinger> right
[09:57] <fabbione> it's snowing
[09:57] <fabbione> damn
[11:10] <Mithrandir> slushing here.
[11:10] <fabbione> the only thing that pisses me off about snow is that i need to go out and clean the road
[11:11] <Mithrandir> it'll clean itself eventually.  Called summer.
[11:11] <fabbione> Mithrandir: here by law we must clean it, because it's a private road
[11:11] <Mithrandir> oh, ok
[11:11] <fabbione> and if the postman falls 
[11:12] <fabbione> it's my responsability
[11:12] <fabbione> now.. it is fucking lame
[11:12] <fabbione> because they could learn to fly
[11:12] <fabbione> or eventually buy better snow shoes
[11:12] <fabbione> but apparently they love to make easy things more complex via the useless
[12:01] <fabbione> T-None: fix to the ia32 memcpy is done
[12:47] <fabbione> -26 is going up
 T-None: fix to the ia32 memcpy is done
[12:59] <jbailey> fabbione: Thanks!
[12:59] <T-Bone> seen that, thx
[01:00] <fabbione> jbailey: no problem
[01:00] <fabbione> it took me fucking 4 hours to unfuck ia64 build
[01:00] <T-Bone> unfuck?
[01:01] <fabbione> well yes.
[01:01] <Mithrandir> T-Bone: does the new ia32-libs in the archive make you happy?
[01:01] <fabbione> the problem is that we were calling kernel-wedge || true
[01:01] <fabbione> that was hiding some problems
[01:01] <fabbione> and ia64 was one in the worst situation
[01:01] <fabbione> with dup mods allover
[01:01] <T-Bone> Mithrandir: haven't checked yet but they certainly will! We need to sync with kamion for the language support deps, as soon as you'll upload ooo :)
[01:01] <T-Bone> fabbione: wasn't aware of that
[01:01] <T-Bone> fabbione: nobody complained
[01:02] <fabbione> T-Bone: yup.. i did paste here when you were around :-)))
[01:02] <fabbione> and you said: "Uhuh?"
[01:02] <fabbione> so i just went forward and fixed it 
 debian/ext3-modules-2.6.10-4-itanium-smp-di lib/modules/2.6.10-4-itanium-smp/kernel/fs/mbcache.ko
 debian/ext2-modules-2.6.10-4-itanium-smp-di lib/modules/2.6.10-4-itanium-smp/kernel/fs/mbcache.ko
 some modules are in more than one package
[01:02] <fabbione> i tought you were busy somehow
[01:02] <T-Bone> yesterday
[01:02] <fabbione> yes that one
[01:02] <Mithrandir> T-Bone: I would be very happy if you checked it out and closed the bugs if appropriate
[01:03] <T-Bone> well given i get back from work at 1900 localtime on every week days except friday, I don't have much time to dig that kind of stuff
[01:03] <T-Bone> Mithrandir: the only bug i know of is the ldd one, You fixed it, you close it? :)
[01:03] <fabbione> that's why i went forward and fixed it
[01:03] <T-Bone> which is cool
[01:03] <Mithrandir> T-Bone: please verify it's fixed.
[01:03] <T-Bone> besides, I don't have much insight on kernel build process
[01:04] <T-Bone> Mithrandir: sure, hold on
[01:04] <T-Bone> Mithrandir: give me 5mn to get something on fire for me to eat, i'm starving
[01:04] <Mithrandir> sure
[01:04] <Mithrandir> T-Bone: I hate to close bugs if I can't verify that they are fixed.
[01:07] <T-Bone> well you can... :)
[01:07] <T-Bone> what am i supposed to check? apt-get removing and install ia32-libs is enough?
[01:08] <Mithrandir> also lib32gcc1
[01:08] <Mithrandir> and that ooo works afterwards
[01:08] <T-Bone> (btw, i dunno what you did with ssh yesterday but nc didn't like it. I have 12 process running and the same number of open connex between nekkid and my box :)
[01:08] <T-Bone> pl
[01:08] <T-Bone> err, 'ok'
[01:08] <Mithrandir> just kill the nc prosesses
[01:09] <T-Bone> done
[01:13] <T-Bone> ls /usr/bin/ld
[01:13] <T-Bone> ld         ldd        ldd.amd64  lddlibc4
[01:13] <T-Bone> root@Nekkid:/home/varenet/ooo # ls /usr/bin/ld
[01:13] <T-Bone> root@Nekkid:/home/varenet/ooo # dpkg -S ldd.amd64
[01:13] <T-Bone> diversion by ia32-libs from: /usr/bin/ldd
[01:13] <T-Bone> diversion by ia32-libs to: /usr/bin/ldd.amd64
[01:13] <T-Bone> *PLONK*
[01:14] <T-Bone> the RTLDLIST is correct though
[01:14] <T-Bone> only the naming looks wrong
[01:14] <T-Bone> dunno if that's such a big problem
[01:15] <fabbione> no log on people...
[01:15] <fabbione> that's good.. 
[01:15] <fabbione> it means that buildds didn't fail... YET
[01:17] <T-Bone> Mithrandir: ooo works as a charm
[01:18] <T-Bone> fabbione: wrt the m-l, i wasn't the one who set it up, i hope you're subscribed to it, it's used for bugreports actually.
[01:18] <Mithrandir> T-Bone: great, thanks.
[01:18] <T-Bone> Mithrandir: what do you think about the ldd.amd64 thingy?
[01:19] <T-Bone> in my taste it should be corrected, but as long as it works...
[01:19] <fabbione> T-Bone: i didn't want a ml from the beginning and i know you have no power to sub people
[01:19] <T-Bone> ?
[01:20] <fabbione> and now it is a very high traffic ml that nobody is going to read
[01:20] <T-Bone> i didn't want bugreports to be sent to that m-l
[01:20] <fabbione> since i get the same bug  messages in 3 inbox now
[01:20] <T-Bone> i didn't push forward for that m-l
[01:20] <fabbione> T-Bone: read above please.. i didn't say you did something anywhere
[01:20] <fabbione> i know you did not create it
[01:20] <fabbione> but you were one pushing for it
[01:21] <T-Bone> i thought that if we were to have a decently sized team, it would be useful
[01:21] <Mithrandir> T-Bone: I'm somewhat inclined to ignore it, or rather, I'm probably going to fix it for ia32-libs in Debian and we'll sync what they have.
[01:21] <T-Bone> but I clearly stated (and the logs on that channel will show it) that having bugreports sent to it was a *bad idea*, since it would turn up the same shit as debian-kernel which I unsubscribed for that very reason
[01:22] <fabbione> i agree to that :-)
[01:22] <fabbione> we shoud remove the bugs from the list
[01:22] <fabbione> i think lamont has to do it
[01:22] <T-Bone> Mithrandir: ok. Maybe you want to add some README entry somewhere about that, so that confused users can see it before posting irrelevant bugreports
[01:22] <fabbione> i am not sure even who did it in the beginning
[01:22] <T-Bone> fabbione: i would more than thank you for doing that
[01:23] <fabbione> i don't know it has been done in the beginning
[01:23] <fabbione> so i am not sure HOW to revert it
[01:23] <T-Bone> OTOH you can blame *me* for creating this channel :P
[01:23] <Mithrandir> T-Bone: sure, but it's a 200-odd MB upload, so I try not to upload it too often.
[01:24] <fabbione> i am off until the meeting
[01:24] <fabbione> i need some relax
[01:24] <fabbione> pleaase keep an eye on the build logs
[01:24] <fabbione> and try to grep for -j to see if it has been set properly
[01:24] <T-Bone> Mithrandir: heh roger that
[01:24] <fabbione> we should have a huge build speed up with this upload
[01:29] <T-Bone> Mithrandir: care to close the bug btw?
[01:30] <mjg59> Ok, new HP laptops need the reboot=b paramater on boot to reboot
[01:30] <mjg59> We can work round that with a DMI entry in reboot.c
[02:22] <Mithrandir> T-Bone: done
[02:28] <T-Bone> thx
[02:34] <lamont> actually, removing bugs from the mailing list is a change in the default assignment in bz...
[02:59] <T-Bone> hey lamont!
[02:59] <T-Bone> issaishiburidane?! ;)
[03:00] <zul> heylo
[03:00] <T-Bone> heya
[03:00] <zul> when is that meetinga again?
[03:01] <T-Bone> in 3 hours
[03:01] <zul> ok
[03:02] <zul> dang thats when i have lunch
[03:02] <T-Bone> heh
[03:49] <zul> heh in theory i could test out ppc stuff with pearpc
[03:53] <T-Bone> lol
[03:53] <T-Bone> you *really* are a masochist, indeed :)
[03:54] <zul> thats why i said in theory
[03:54] <jbailey> What's a pearpc?
[03:54] <zul> its a powerpc emulator
[03:54] <jbailey> Cool.
[03:55] <jbailey> Hmm, now that I'm on PPC I should track down an old MacOS emulator and some abandonware games.
[03:55] <T-Bone> jbailey: tssks tssks, You should read /. There's been stories about PearPC and CherryOS ;)
[03:55] <jbailey> There was one I really like to play.  CAn't for the life of me remember what it was called.
[03:55] <T-Bone> Monkey Island?
[03:55] <jbailey> T-Bone: I've managed to get my /. reading down to once every couple of days.
[03:55] <T-Bone> jbailey: hehe ;)
[03:56] <T-Bone> jbailey: syndicate. Much easier to read :)
[03:56] <jbailey> No, it was a game where you wake up in a spaceship and you're the only one alive and the computer has lost most of its memory.
[03:56] <T-Bone> huh
[03:56] <jbailey> You have to help it reconstruct its memories in order to find out what happened.
[03:56] <T-Bone> that rings something, but i can't tell what
[03:56] <T-Bone> ;)
[03:56] <zul> jbailey: roger wilco?
[03:56] <zul> by sierra wasnt it?
[03:57] <jbailey> zul: You're thinking space quest, I think.
[03:57] <zul> yeah
[03:57] <jbailey> zul: And I play that under dosemu occasionally. =)
[03:57] <zul> ah sweet i found to play that game again i never completed it
[03:57] <jbailey> On the other machine I have a nice abandonware site bookmarked.
[03:58] <zul> the-underdogs.org
[03:58] <T-Bone> jbailey: please hand over the URL :)
[03:58] <jbailey> Huh, annoying.  my susv3 package in Debian isn't in multiverse.
[03:58] <jbailey> T-Bone: The machines not on right now, I'll grab it when I stop for lunch.
[03:58] <T-Bone> cool thx :)
[03:59] <jbailey> T-Bone: It's a French Abandonware site, too. =)  
[03:59] <jbailey> A bunch of the games are in French only.  Good practice for me.
[03:59] <zul> anyone played nobunaga's ambition?
[03:59] <T-Bone> jbailey: i think i've hit that one once, but i don't recall the name
[04:00] <T-Bone> most of my bookmarks went away with my dead HD :P
[04:00] <T-Bone> zul: doesn't ring a bell
[04:00] <zul> its an awesome game you are shogun and you are trying to become emperor of japan
[04:01] <T-Bone> lol
[04:09] <lamont> T-Bone: hisashiburi da.
[04:09] <zul> lamont: hey
[04:11] <T-Bone> daijobu deska? :)
[04:12] <lamont> t-bone: shindoi da
[04:12] <lamont> morning zul
[04:12] <T-Bone> heh ;)
[04:13] <zul> yes you have entered the twiligh zone
[04:14] <lamont> zul: we'll be operating in japanese today, ok? :-)
[04:14] <T-Bone> lol
[04:15] <lamont> tonycrackers, I should read my email about the dev meeting, eh?
[04:15] <T-Bone> 'tonycrackers' ! LOL
[04:16] <T-Bone> that one is a quote I'm probably the only one to understand, but it's rather *fun* 8)
[04:16] <T-Bone> lamont: dooso
[04:17] <zul> i might miss the first bit of the meeting
[04:17] <T-Bone> same here
[04:17] <zul> but you guys dont need me do you?
[04:17] <T-Bone> same here
[04:17] <T-Bone> ;)
[04:17] <lamont> T-Bone: there's also narufrigginghodo
[04:20] <T-Bone> LOL
[04:20] <zul> i so much hate this program
[04:25] <Mithrandir> T-Bone: which one?
[04:25] <T-Bone> efibootmgr
[04:27] <lamont> ] ??
[04:27] <lamont> T-Bone: the person requesting the sync is the one that katie claims the mail is from
[04:27] <T-Bone> [!!
[04:27] <T-Bone> ah ok
[04:27] <lamont> as for who _really_ did the upload: gpg: Good signature from "Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key (Syncs) <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>"
[04:27] <T-Bone> hehe ;)
[04:27] <T-Bone> at least i know that now mails get to me :)
[04:28] <T-Bone> next try will be an actual upload
[04:36] <T-Bone> Mithrandir: btw, let me know when you upload new ooo-amd64, so that I can edit the Wiki ;)
[04:36] <Mithrandir> will do
[04:37] <T-Bone> ta
[04:47] <T-Bone> (i'll pester kamion for desktop-seed update at the same time :)
[05:02] <fabbione> re
[05:02] <fabbione> i guess the idiotify patch did invalidate the cache
[05:03] <fabbione> otherwise the compiling time is totally bong
[05:04] <fabbione> i just bought a webcam
[05:05] <fabbione> if we don't have the driver for it.. well ... there -27...
[05:05] <fabbione> ;)
[05:05] <Mithrandir> fabbione: do we include random drivers found on around in the stock image?
[05:06] <Mithrandir> if so, I'd like to have the spca5xxx driver in
[05:07] <zul> oh hey fabbione 
[05:07] <fabbione> Mithrandir: well not properly random.. but we include external drivers
[05:07] <fabbione> and any pending issue will be hoary+1
[05:14] <fabbione> do we know if elmo blessed NEW?
[05:15] <Mithrandir> he seems to have done NEW stuff this morning at least
[05:15] <fabbione> yeah he did
[05:15] <fabbione> #  linux-patch-ubuntu-2.6.10_2.6.10-26_powerpc.deb
[05:15] <zul> gah...box at home is down
[05:26] <fabbione> of course my camera isn't supported by our drivers :)
[05:26] <zul> what kind of camera is it?
[05:26] <fabbione> logitech
[05:26] <zul> quickcam pro?
[05:26] <fabbione> Bus 003 Device 004: ID 046d:08f5 Logitech, Inc. 
[05:26] <fabbione> it's not claimed by any driver
[05:27] <zul> i had a camera like that a while ago there were some drivers on sourceforge iirc
[05:27] <fabbione> yeah
[05:27] <fabbione> i am googling
[05:27] <fabbione> Logitech Quickcam QC-USB driver for Linux
[05:42] <Mithrandir> there was somebody rambling about it on -devel today or so
[05:43] <fabbione> i am testing the driver right now
[05:43] <fabbione> quickcam: QuickCam USB camera found (driver version QuickCam Messenger/Communicate USB $Date: 2004/12/30 10:00:00 $)
[05:44] <zul> yay! we get to see fabbione ugly mug
[05:44] <fabbione> well let see if it works :-)
[05:44] <fabbione> quickcam [52.189162] : Quickcam snapshot button registered on usb-0000:00:1d.2-2/input0
[05:44] <fabbione> wow
[05:46] <fabbione> well it kinda works
[05:46] <mdz> dilinger: ?
[05:47] <Mithrandir> fabbioneTV? 
[05:49] <zul> shaya said on -devel "kernel abi seems to have been broken again"
[05:54] <fabbione> it didn't like the removal and insert in another usb port
[05:54] <fabbione> but it works
[05:54] <fabbione> zul: ?
[05:54] <fabbione> zul: i did test the abi....
[05:55] <zul> fabbione: shaya said it was broken but he might be on crack he has linux-restricted 2.6.10-3 and linux-source 2.6.10-4 installed
[05:55] <fabbione> ah no no no
[05:55] <fabbione> i can test again
[05:55] <fabbione> gimme 2 minutes
[05:55] <zul> k
[05:56] <fabbione> Extracting templates from packages: 56%debconf: apt-extracttemplates failed: Bad
[05:56] <fabbione> this is known.. right?
[05:56] <zul> first time i seen it
[05:57] <fabbione> hmmmmmm 
[05:57] <fabbione> i guess it will have to wait after the meeting
[05:58] <fabbione> or during
[05:58] <zul> heh...shit happens
[05:59] <zul> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7468 as well
[06:00] <fabbione> that is NOT our fault
[06:00] <zul> ok..
[06:02] <zul> i need some lunch
[06:03] <fabbione> the aBI seems ok
[06:03] <zul> ok...bbiab
[06:26] <zul> that was a good lunch
[07:12] <zul> so that was it for kernel stuff?
[07:12] <fabbione> bah
[07:12] <fabbione> apparently
[07:13] <zul> heh...that wasnt too bad
[07:13] <fabbione> the QC driver doesn't init properly
[07:14] <fabbione> it needs unload and load again
[07:14] <fabbione> and it is OOPSorama in dmesg
[07:14] <zul> so dont include it in -27
[07:15] <fabbione> i was never going to do it!
[07:15] <zul> sure sure :)
[07:16] <fabbione> now.. time to get flumotion or any stream thing going
[07:16] <fabbione> otherwise it's pointless
[07:17] <zul> i might go see a movie tonight
[07:17] <T-Bone> *sigh*
[08:05] <T-Bone> fabbione: kernel stuff back on #u-meeting
[08:08] <fabbione> thanks
[08:16] <fabbione> T-Bone: can you keep an eye on the meeting?
[08:16] <fabbione> i really must cook/eat something
[08:16] <T-Bone> fabbione: heh. who's gonna cook me somethign? :)
[08:16] <T-Bone> fabbione: ok i'll do
[08:16] <fabbione> well if you are around
[08:16] <fabbione> otherwise i think lamont is
[08:17] <zul> im around kind of
[08:22] <T-Bone> eeep eeeppp hppa eeep eep
[08:22] <T-Bone> eeep eeeppp hppa eeep eep lamont
[08:23] <T-Bone> (need to highlight else it's pointless :)
[08:24] <zul> wohoo!
[08:24] <T-Bone> *G*
[08:39] <T-Bone> fabbione: i'm off the meeting
[09:03] <mjg59> Oh, this is crack
[09:03] <mjg59> hal does an ioctl to check for carrier detect on this b44 device and the machine hangs
[09:08] <fabbione> [video4linux @ 0x8271eb4] Fatal: grab device does not support suitable format
[09:08] <fabbione> BAH
[09:08] <fabbione> xawtv can see and use the device
[09:09] <fabbione> both flumotion and ffmpeg go banana
[09:16] <zul> mind if lower the serverity of 6303, user has a workaround which is working for him now
[09:17] <zul> its the audigy sound card one
[10:01] <zul> ooh another flakey keyboard bios bug
[10:02] <zul> later
[10:02] <zul> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6553
[11:46] <mdz> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-March/005482.html
[11:46] <mdz> unintentional ABI change?
[11:47] <zul> not that i know of...what version of l-r-m are they using?
[11:48] <mdz> unknown, but the module path is /lib/modules/2.6.10-4-686-smp/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko
[11:48] <mdz> so it's one that claims the correct abi version
[11:48] <zul> we got a problem like that today on -devel but fabbione diagnosed it as l-r-m mismatch
[11:53] <zul> ill do a dist-upgrade and see