[12:46] Is there a sane way to tell if NOEXEC is enabled or not on a given system? === zul [~chuck@CPE0006258ec6c2-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [02:10] hey [02:37] hay [02:38] how now brown cow [02:38] nah, hay is for horses === lamont just fed, you see... [02:38] heh i just fed the guinea pig [02:38] so kind of same thing [03:06] heh [03:06] hrm.. I'm on major lagtime today [06:27] morning [06:32] i guess nobody has been tracking the Debian kernel while i was away... right? [06:36] i have! [06:36] ;) [06:39] yeah i know you do :) [06:39] nobody did here [06:39] and i can see a few hunderd tons of SECURITY and other important bug fixes [06:40] i actually am about to release 2.6.10-6 [06:40] i have an i386 image compiling [07:09] is there any abi breakage between debian 2.6.10-4 and -6? [07:16] there shouldn't be [07:16] i dropped the netfilter private frag queue stuff [07:17] there's an amd64 fix that touches a header file, but it's a static inline function, so it shouldn't break stuff [07:17] i'm also reenabling CONFIG_PREEMPT on i386, so as to avoid an ABINAME bump [07:17] no point fixing that stuff in 2.6.10, and having it rot in NEW while we do the same thing in 2.6.11 [07:18] but that's in the kernel-image.... [07:18] right [07:18] which you don't care about. but i figured i'd mention for completeness [07:18] yes.. i am not going to munge too much around with configs at this point in time [07:19] i have a half written ruby script that does abi checking [07:19] wrote it in an airport [07:19] i should finish it tonight [07:20] yeah but we were considering build-time checks [07:20] right [07:21] bounty it, and i'll have it done in a day or two :) [07:21] in 99.9% of the cases we always pre-build on porting boxes [07:21] in something other than ruby [07:21] for bounties = mdz ;) === dilinger pokes mdz [07:21] the point isn't ruby or python or shell script [07:22] well, if you're going to run it at build-time, it's an added build-dep [07:22] sleep now [07:22] yes.. but that isn't an issue [07:22] just read all the irclogs :-) [07:22] i need to go for a few minutes.. mother nature is calling me badly [07:23] heh [07:23] i need to start this i386 build anyways [07:23] eheh [07:25] jbailey: CONFIG_LOGO=n on all arches [07:25] just committed [07:41] HMMM [07:41] there is something really unclear to me.... === fabbione needs to dig into this madness [07:49] fabbione: just checking vmlinux symbols doesn't work [07:49] modules ABI need to be checked as well [07:49] yeah i have been thinking about it... [07:49] modules' [07:50] my way is running nm on modules [07:50] and i had the same idea.. [07:50] ie, nm /lib/modules/2.6.10/kernel/drivers/ide/ide-core.ko [07:51] 3b97ad98 A __crc_ide_undecoded_slave [07:51] 00007fa0 T ide_undecoded_slave [07:51] that's 0x3b97ad98 ide_undecoded_slave drivers/ide/ide-core in Module.symvers [07:52] an abi checker needs to report any modules that are missing, and any changed symbols within modules [08:14] first 2 things to do after hoary: [08:14] - clean up the packing [08:14] - allign the configs [08:14] - abi checker if we cannot get it in hoary [08:14] IT IS PURE MADNESS! [08:16] we could have a kernel-config builder.. similar to kernel-wedge [08:20] how about [08:20] - synch packaging w/ debian [08:20] since i think we both want the same things; the only place we seem to differ is w/ ubuntu's d-i stuff right in the source package [08:21] differ in goals, that is [08:21] and a bunch of extra modules compiled in [08:21] but yes [08:21] we need a common source [08:21] yea, but that's not a packaging issue [08:21] it'd make everyone's life easier, i think [08:21] but we can't achive it until debian will not kill at least the kernel-source -> kernel-image madness [08:22] i fully agree [08:22] right === fabbione is very close to send ia64 to hell [09:57] it's snowing [09:57] damn [11:10] slushing here. [11:10] the only thing that pisses me off about snow is that i need to go out and clean the road [11:11] it'll clean itself eventually. Called summer. [11:11] Mithrandir: here by law we must clean it, because it's a private road [11:11] oh, ok [11:11] and if the postman falls [11:12] it's my responsability [11:12] now.. it is fucking lame [11:12] because they could learn to fly [11:12] or eventually buy better snow shoes [11:12] but apparently they love to make easy things more complex via the useless [12:01] T-None: fix to the ia32 memcpy is done [12:47] -26 is going up === fabbione starts the baz magic [12:59] T-None: fix to the ia32 memcpy is done [12:59] fabbione: Thanks! [12:59] seen that, thx [01:00] jbailey: no problem [01:00] it took me fucking 4 hours to unfuck ia64 build [01:00] unfuck? [01:01] well yes. [01:01] T-Bone: does the new ia32-libs in the archive make you happy? [01:01] the problem is that we were calling kernel-wedge || true [01:01] that was hiding some problems [01:01] and ia64 was one in the worst situation [01:01] with dup mods allover [01:01] Mithrandir: haven't checked yet but they certainly will! We need to sync with kamion for the language support deps, as soon as you'll upload ooo :) [01:01] fabbione: wasn't aware of that [01:01] fabbione: nobody complained [01:02] T-Bone: yup.. i did paste here when you were around :-))) [01:02] and you said: "Uhuh?" [01:02] so i just went forward and fixed it [01:02] debian/ext3-modules-2.6.10-4-itanium-smp-di lib/modules/2.6.10-4-itanium-smp/kernel/fs/mbcache.ko [01:02] debian/ext2-modules-2.6.10-4-itanium-smp-di lib/modules/2.6.10-4-itanium-smp/kernel/fs/mbcache.ko [01:02] some modules are in more than one package [01:02] i tought you were busy somehow [01:02] yesterday [01:02] yes that one [01:02] T-Bone: I would be very happy if you checked it out and closed the bugs if appropriate [01:03] well given i get back from work at 1900 localtime on every week days except friday, I don't have much time to dig that kind of stuff [01:03] Mithrandir: the only bug i know of is the ldd one, You fixed it, you close it? :) [01:03] that's why i went forward and fixed it [01:03] which is cool [01:03] T-Bone: please verify it's fixed. [01:03] besides, I don't have much insight on kernel build process [01:04] Mithrandir: sure, hold on [01:04] Mithrandir: give me 5mn to get something on fire for me to eat, i'm starving [01:04] sure [01:04] T-Bone: I hate to close bugs if I can't verify that they are fixed. [01:07] well you can... :) [01:07] what am i supposed to check? apt-get removing and install ia32-libs is enough? [01:08] also lib32gcc1 [01:08] and that ooo works afterwards [01:08] (btw, i dunno what you did with ssh yesterday but nc didn't like it. I have 12 process running and the same number of open connex between nekkid and my box :) [01:08] pl [01:08] err, 'ok' [01:08] just kill the nc prosesses [01:09] done === T-Bone curses french out-of-sync-mirror, edits sources.list [01:13] ls /usr/bin/ld [01:13] ld ldd ldd.amd64 lddlibc4 [01:13] root@Nekkid:/home/varenet/ooo # ls /usr/bin/ld [01:13] root@Nekkid:/home/varenet/ooo # dpkg -S ldd.amd64 [01:13] diversion by ia32-libs from: /usr/bin/ldd [01:13] diversion by ia32-libs to: /usr/bin/ldd.amd64 [01:13] *PLONK* [01:14] the RTLDLIST is correct though [01:14] only the naming looks wrong [01:14] dunno if that's such a big problem === ..[topic/#ubuntu-kernel:fabbione] : Ubuntu kernel development discussion | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelTeam | kernel-team@ubuntu.com--2005/kernel-debian--pre27--2.6.10 [01:15] no log on people... [01:15] that's good.. [01:15] it means that buildds didn't fail... YET [01:17] Mithrandir: ooo works as a charm [01:18] fabbione: wrt the m-l, i wasn't the one who set it up, i hope you're subscribed to it, it's used for bugreports actually. [01:18] T-Bone: great, thanks. [01:18] Mithrandir: what do you think about the ldd.amd64 thingy? [01:19] in my taste it should be corrected, but as long as it works... [01:19] T-Bone: i didn't want a ml from the beginning and i know you have no power to sub people [01:19] ? [01:20] and now it is a very high traffic ml that nobody is going to read [01:20] i didn't want bugreports to be sent to that m-l [01:20] since i get the same bug messages in 3 inbox now [01:20] i didn't push forward for that m-l [01:20] T-Bone: read above please.. i didn't say you did something anywhere [01:20] i know you did not create it [01:20] but you were one pushing for it [01:21] i thought that if we were to have a decently sized team, it would be useful [01:21] T-Bone: I'm somewhat inclined to ignore it, or rather, I'm probably going to fix it for ia32-libs in Debian and we'll sync what they have. [01:21] but I clearly stated (and the logs on that channel will show it) that having bugreports sent to it was a *bad idea*, since it would turn up the same shit as debian-kernel which I unsubscribed for that very reason [01:22] i agree to that :-) [01:22] we shoud remove the bugs from the list [01:22] i think lamont has to do it [01:22] Mithrandir: ok. Maybe you want to add some README entry somewhere about that, so that confused users can see it before posting irrelevant bugreports [01:22] i am not sure even who did it in the beginning [01:22] fabbione: i would more than thank you for doing that [01:23] i don't know it has been done in the beginning [01:23] so i am not sure HOW to revert it === T-Bone doesn't know: went to bed one day, woke up the next and the m-l was there [01:23] OTOH you can blame *me* for creating this channel :P [01:23] T-Bone: sure, but it's a 200-odd MB upload, so I try not to upload it too often. [01:24] i am off until the meeting [01:24] i need some relax [01:24] pleaase keep an eye on the build logs [01:24] and try to grep for -j to see if it has been set properly [01:24] Mithrandir: heh roger that [01:24] we should have a huge build speed up with this upload === mjg59 [mjg59@cavan.codon.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [01:29] Mithrandir: care to close the bug btw? [01:30] Ok, new HP laptops need the reboot=b paramater on boot to reboot [01:30] We can work round that with a DMI entry in reboot.c === Mithrandir [~tfheen@vawad.err.no] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [02:22] T-Bone: done [02:28] thx [02:34] actually, removing bugs from the mailing list is a change in the default assignment in bz... [02:59] hey lamont! [02:59] issaishiburidane?! ;) === T-Bone obfuscates the output a bit more not separating logical entities ;) === zul [~chuck@198.62.158.205] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [03:00] heylo [03:00] heya [03:00] when is that meetinga again? [03:01] in 3 hours [03:01] ok [03:02] dang thats when i have lunch [03:02] heh === T-Bone wanders off re-stringing his guitar === smurfix [~smurf@run.smurf.noris.de] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [03:49] heh in theory i could test out ppc stuff with pearpc [03:53] lol [03:53] you *really* are a masochist, indeed :) === T-Bone is done with the stringing [03:54] thats why i said in theory [03:54] What's a pearpc? [03:54] its a powerpc emulator [03:54] Cool. [03:55] Hmm, now that I'm on PPC I should track down an old MacOS emulator and some abandonware games. [03:55] jbailey: tssks tssks, You should read /. There's been stories about PearPC and CherryOS ;) [03:55] There was one I really like to play. CAn't for the life of me remember what it was called. [03:55] Monkey Island? [03:55] T-Bone: I've managed to get my /. reading down to once every couple of days. [03:55] jbailey: hehe ;) [03:56] jbailey: syndicate. Much easier to read :) [03:56] No, it was a game where you wake up in a spaceship and you're the only one alive and the computer has lost most of its memory. [03:56] huh [03:56] You have to help it reconstruct its memories in order to find out what happened. [03:56] that rings something, but i can't tell what [03:56] ;) [03:56] jbailey: roger wilco? [03:56] by sierra wasnt it? === T-Bone spent endless nights on Monkey Island, the best adventure game ever ;) [03:57] zul: You're thinking space quest, I think. [03:57] yeah [03:57] zul: And I play that under dosemu occasionally. =) [03:57] ah sweet i found to play that game again i never completed it [03:57] On the other machine I have a nice abandonware site bookmarked. [03:58] the-underdogs.org [03:58] jbailey: please hand over the URL :) [03:58] Huh, annoying. my susv3 package in Debian isn't in multiverse. [03:58] T-Bone: The machines not on right now, I'll grab it when I stop for lunch. [03:58] cool thx :) [03:59] T-Bone: It's a French Abandonware site, too. =) [03:59] A bunch of the games are in French only. Good practice for me. [03:59] anyone played nobunaga's ambition? [03:59] jbailey: i think i've hit that one once, but i don't recall the name [04:00] most of my bookmarks went away with my dead HD :P [04:00] zul: doesn't ring a bell === jbailey waits for susv3 to install. [04:00] its an awesome game you are shogun and you are trying to become emperor of japan [04:01] lol [04:09] T-Bone: hisashiburi da. [04:09] lamont: hey [04:11] daijobu deska? :) [04:12] t-bone: shindoi da [04:12] morning zul [04:12] heh ;) [04:13] yes you have entered the twiligh zone [04:14] zul: we'll be operating in japanese today, ok? :-) [04:14] lol [04:15] tonycrackers, I should read my email about the dev meeting, eh? [04:15] 'tonycrackers' ! LOL [04:16] that one is a quote I'm probably the only one to understand, but it's rather *fun* 8) [04:16] lamont: dooso [04:17] i might miss the first bit of the meeting [04:17] same here [04:17] but you guys dont need me do you? [04:17] same here [04:17] ;) [04:17] T-Bone: there's also narufrigginghodo [04:20] LOL [04:20] i so much hate this program === T-Bone wonders what trick elmo used to get a package in the archive under his name :) [04:25] T-Bone: which one? [04:25] efibootmgr [04:27] ] ?? [04:27] T-Bone: the person requesting the sync is the one that katie claims the mail is from [04:27] [!! [04:27] ah ok [04:27] as for who _really_ did the upload: gpg: Good signature from "Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key (Syncs) " [04:27] hehe ;) [04:27] at least i know that now mails get to me :) [04:28] next try will be an actual upload [04:36] Mithrandir: btw, let me know when you upload new ooo-amd64, so that I can edit the Wiki ;) [04:36] will do [04:37] ta [04:47] (i'll pester kamion for desktop-seed update at the same time :) [05:02] re [05:02] i guess the idiotify patch did invalidate the cache [05:03] otherwise the compiling time is totally bong [05:04] i just bought a webcam [05:05] if we don't have the driver for it.. well ... there -27... [05:05] ;) [05:05] fabbione: do we include random drivers found on around in the stock image? [05:06] if so, I'd like to have the spca5xxx driver in [05:07] oh hey fabbione [05:07] Mithrandir: well not properly random.. but we include external drivers [05:07] and any pending issue will be hoary+1 === fabbione replaces his DVD burner [05:14] do we know if elmo blessed NEW? [05:15] he seems to have done NEW stuff this morning at least [05:15] yeah he did [05:15] # linux-patch-ubuntu-2.6.10_2.6.10-26_powerpc.deb [05:15] gah...box at home is down === T-Gone runs out, bbl [05:26] of course my camera isn't supported by our drivers :) [05:26] what kind of camera is it? [05:26] logitech [05:26] quickcam pro? [05:26] Bus 003 Device 004: ID 046d:08f5 Logitech, Inc. [05:26] it's not claimed by any driver [05:27] i had a camera like that a while ago there were some drivers on sourceforge iirc [05:27] yeah [05:27] i am googling [05:27] Logitech Quickcam QC-USB driver for Linux [05:42] there was somebody rambling about it on -devel today or so [05:43] i am testing the driver right now [05:43] quickcam: QuickCam USB camera found (driver version QuickCam Messenger/Communicate USB $Date: 2004/12/30 10:00:00 $) [05:44] yay! we get to see fabbione ugly mug [05:44] well let see if it works :-) [05:44] quickcam [52.189162] : Quickcam snapshot button registered on usb-0000:00:1d.2-2/input0 [05:44] wow [05:46] well it kinda works [05:46] dilinger: ? [05:47] fabbioneTV? [05:49] shaya said on -devel "kernel abi seems to have been broken again" [05:54] it didn't like the removal and insert in another usb port [05:54] but it works [05:54] zul: ? [05:54] zul: i did test the abi.... [05:55] fabbione: shaya said it was broken but he might be on crack he has linux-restricted 2.6.10-3 and linux-source 2.6.10-4 installed [05:55] ah no no no [05:55] i can test again [05:55] gimme 2 minutes [05:55] k [05:56] Extracting templates from packages: 56%debconf: apt-extracttemplates failed: Bad [05:56] this is known.. right? [05:56] first time i seen it [05:57] hmmmmmm [05:57] i guess it will have to wait after the meeting [05:58] or during [05:58] heh...shit happens [05:59] https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7468 as well [06:00] that is NOT our fault [06:00] ok.. [06:02] i need some lunch [06:03] the aBI seems ok [06:03] ok...bbiab [06:26] that was a good lunch === svenl_ [~luther@AStrasbourg-251-1-59-16.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [07:12] so that was it for kernel stuff? [07:12] bah [07:12] apparently [07:13] heh...that wasnt too bad [07:13] the QC driver doesn't init properly [07:14] it needs unload and load again [07:14] and it is OOPSorama in dmesg [07:14] so dont include it in -27 [07:15] i was never going to do it! [07:15] sure sure :) [07:16] now.. time to get flumotion or any stream thing going [07:16] otherwise it's pointless [07:17] i might go see a movie tonight === T-Bone asked mdz for an IA64 topic to the meeting schedule, to no end alas :P [07:17] *sigh* === mdz [~mdz@ca-studio-bsr1o-251.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [08:05] fabbione: kernel stuff back on #u-meeting [08:08] thanks [08:16] T-Bone: can you keep an eye on the meeting? [08:16] i really must cook/eat something [08:16] fabbione: heh. who's gonna cook me somethign? :) [08:16] fabbione: ok i'll do [08:16] well if you are around [08:16] otherwise i think lamont is [08:17] im around kind of [08:22] eeep eeeppp hppa eeep eep [08:22] eeep eeeppp hppa eeep eep lamont [08:23] (need to highlight else it's pointless :) === lamont considers ignoring t-bone until after the meeting [08:24] wohoo! [08:24] *G* [08:39] fabbione: i'm off the meeting [09:03] Oh, this is crack [09:03] hal does an ioctl to check for carrier detect on this b44 device and the machine hangs [09:08] [video4linux @ 0x8271eb4] Fatal: grab device does not support suitable format [09:08] BAH [09:08] xawtv can see and use the device [09:09] both flumotion and ffmpeg go banana [09:16] mind if lower the serverity of 6303, user has a workaround which is working for him now [09:17] its the audigy sound card one === T-Gone [varenet@T-Bone.developer.debian] has left #ubuntu-kernel ["Leaving"] [10:01] ooh another flakey keyboard bios bug [10:02] later [10:02] https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6553 === zul [~chuck@CPE0006258ec6c2-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [11:46] http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-March/005482.html [11:46] unintentional ABI change? [11:47] not that i know of...what version of l-r-m are they using? [11:48] unknown, but the module path is /lib/modules/2.6.10-4-686-smp/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko [11:48] so it's one that claims the correct abi version [11:48] we got a problem like that today on -devel but fabbione diagnosed it as l-r-m mismatch [11:53] ill do a dist-upgrade and see