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looksausQMario, last time I did this, it involved some messing around in a samba config file12:01
looksausbut that was before I bought this ethernet Postscript laser printer12:02
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looksaussorry, can't really help you if you need a more graphical solution12:02
QMarioOh, Thank you anyway :)12:03
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dmoyneI have a question related to permission setting for character device under "/dev" ; can anybody help me ?12:06
rtuckHi guys. I did a kernel upgrade last night with Synaptic and now the machine refuses to boot. I booted the live cd to make menu.lst point to the new kernel but there seems to be a problem with the initrd. it just gives a binfmt-0000 error.12:06
dmoyneI have a question related to permission setting for character device under "/dev" ; can anybody help me ?12:07
umarmungHas anyone in here tried to run the glest port (http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uxsm/glest/) on hoary? I always get - undefined reference to `XF86VidModeQueryVersion' - when I compile it.12:07
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umarmungI think i installed any additional xfffoo-dev packages i could find, but maybe i miss 1? :(12:07
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draskohello...12:08
draskowhere are the iptables config files?12:08
hawke_drasko: there aren't any normally12:08
bob2drasko: please pick *one* channel12:09
bob2drasko: /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian12:09
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mkpAnyone else seeing random hangs (hard lockups) with recent 2.6.10 kernels? Happens on both my desktop (athlon xp) and my laptop (thinkpad x22)? The 2.6.8.1-based kernels are fine in both cases.12:10
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DarthFrogmkp: I installed 2.6.19-k7 this afternoon on my laptop (Duron 1.1 GHz). Seems fine.12:10
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mkpthe lockups are a lot more frequent on my laptop than on the desktop, so I suspect ACPI12:11
bob2what happened when you disabled acpi?12:11
mkpeither that or Radeon12:11
goldfishwhat is the command to update the locate database, i keep forgetting :/12:11
bob2goldfish: updatedb12:11
hawke_goldfish: updatedb12:11
rtuckgoldfish: updatedb, I believe.12:12
goldfishthanks12:12
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mkpbob2: didn't try on the desktop, my laptop is generally unhappy without it.12:12
mkpbob2: in all cases the lockups occur when the box is idle12:12
shekharhello. can anyone help me with a ppc installation of ubuntu on a pbg4 17"?12:12
mkpno screensaver enable12:12
bob2shekhar: not unless you ask a question12:12
occyhey bob2, when hoary becomes stable, I should be able to just s/warthy/hoary/g in my sources.list and apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade right?12:13
shekharbob2: my question is why does the screen freeze after logging into ubuntu? and other questions about network and display config...12:13
mkpBut anyway. Just wanted to know whether anybody else had seen this. Will debug later...12:13
bob2occy: yes12:13
occyk, danke12:13
bob2shekhar: that would be a bug12:13
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shekharbob2: so i thought12:14
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shekharbob2: so is it safe to say ubuntu doesn't work on my mac?12:14
bob2no12:14
bob2it's safe to say you found some bug12:14
shekharbob2: :)12:15
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shekharbob2: how can i help address that?12:15
SiRrUsgood evening fellows12:15
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bob2shekhar: ask on the user list, I guess12:16
bob2assuming no one else has reported that bug in bugzilla12:16
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blizahwhere do you set the screensaver in ubuntu12:17
cavediverCan someone recomend a disk-crypt software included in ubuntu12:17
bryanblizah:  system>preferences>screensaver12:17
bob2cavediver: dm-crypt.12:17
BockBilbobye!12:18
dmoyneI have a question on permission set to character device in /dev that I want to modify ; can anybody help me ?12:18
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Aapzakblizah, you dont set it in ubuntu12:18
dmoyneI have a question on permission set to character device in /dev that I want to modify ; can anybody help me ?12:18
bryanAapzak:  are you on crack or something, buddy?12:19
bob2dmoyne: you only need to ask once12:19
bob2dmoyne: and you need to be less vague12:19
blizahbryan: if ya dont mind me asking how do i get to system?12:19
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Aapzakbryan, screensaver had nothing to do with the core12:19
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Aapzakin gnome you can set screensaver12:19
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blizahaapzak ya know what i meant :D12:20
Aapzakor you can use an other screensaver daemon12:20
Aapzakthought so12:20
blizahfound it12:20
Aapzakit is in the system settings, have you found those yet?12:20
Aapzakkewl12:20
dmoynesimlply I want sg2 to be root:scanner rather than root:disk as set in udev.permissions12:20
blizahi love the bouncing cow screensaver...makes me laugh everytime12:21
eyequeuedmoyne:  chgrp12:21
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AapzakI love screensavers that don't load my cpu :)12:21
PhantomCircuitwould "wget -b -q http://site.com/file.ext > file.ext" ?12:21
Aapzakblack screen it is for me12:21
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moondusthey Aapzak, how'd your upgrade go?12:22
blizahyea but i cant give up the cow :D12:22
Aapzakperfect I think12:22
Aapzakblizah, :)12:22
moondustgood for you12:22
neighborleehey guys..anyone playing with hoary preview release 5.04..i'm wondering what the actual boot time is???12:22
bryanblizah:  last menu on the top panel12:22
bob2depends entirely on hardware12:22
punkrockguy318neighborlee, depends on hardware12:22
SiRrUsneighborlee mine is about the same as aray 612:22
bryan(i'm in hoary, you must be in warty)12:22
AapzakI quit X before upgrade, everything went nice, rebooted and all I had to do was add 1400x1050 for my tft12:22
neighborleepunkrockguy318, piV2.26/gig ram12:22
moondustand on having a net connection12:23
AapzakI did not count, but it boots way faster than Windows XP12:23
neighborleewhattttttt12:23
Aapzakwith working INET12:24
neighborleegez XP boots in like 15 seconds or so12:24
neighborleeand this is faste ? ;-)12:24
Aapzaknot here12:24
neighborleeer12:24
Aapzak:)12:24
neighborleeoh12:24
bob2hoary does not boot in 15 seconds12:24
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rtuckIf you were changing kernels out would you ever have to do anything with binfmt afterwards? Update scripts, alias, anything of that nature?12:24
AapzakI guess my XP is crappy, it takes ages to load12:24
bob2rtuck: if you use ubuntu kernels, no12:24
goldfishso does mine12:24
neighborleewell my system is fast so I guess...12:25
eyequeue"changing kernels out"?12:25
neighborleenot as fast as the nice NEW ones but its fast enough12:25
umarmungHas anyone in here tried to run the glest port (http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uxsm/glest/) on hoary? I always get - undefined reference to `XF86VidModeQueryVersion' - when I compile it. Do i miss some optional xfffoo-dev package?12:25
rtuckeyequeue: Tried to upgrade my kernel to 2.10 k7 last night, system died afterwards. Gives binfmt-000 error on boot.12:25
neighborleeSiRrUs, meaning how fast are you at the desktop compared to say XP12:26
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mellinuxHey everyone, I had a question about dual-booting Ubuntu and winXP. I'm getting an old 10GB hard drive in a few days, and I decided to try and install Ubuntu on it. I have an 80GB Maxtor hard drive I'm using with winXP right now. What on earth do I have to do so it won't screw up my PC?12:26
eyequeuertuck:  no ideas12:26
Aapzakunplug your 80Gb disk12:26
SiRrUsneighborlee not sure if i am following you12:26
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feAR`Maybe someone is using ubuntu on ppc?12:26
feAR`;)12:27
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DarthFrogmellinux:  Probably nothing.  Ubuntu will detect your WinXP installation and add it to the boot menu.12:27
bryanhow do i burn an audio cd from mp3's instead of burning a mp3 cd?12:27
neighborleeSiRrUs, well i wazs wondeing just how fast 'ultra-fast' really is ( compared to XP which for me boots in no more than 20 seconds)12:27
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neighborleeSiRrUs, granted XP isn't as se cure etc.etc. but anyway ;-)12:27
bryanubuntu boots fast12:27
rtuckeyequeue: Thanks anyways. Maybe I can throw in another kernel and modules from over the network with a livecd.12:27
neighborleeyeah hoary seems faster anyway12:27
bryanabout 30 seconds for me (p4 2.8 1024 dual channel RAM12:28
SiRrUsneighborlee I have never timed the boot process my machine stay on usually12:28
neighborleealthough I dont have the preview release12:28
socommXP may not run as many daemons at bootup either.12:28
The-Ghost|afkokay how do i get new hdd's on ubuntu ore can somone point me to a place on forums wher i can find it???12:28
The-Ghost|afkhave lookt all over12:28
neighborleesocomm, yeah I doubt it does exactly12:28
neighborleeSiRrUs, ah ok np..I was just curious12:28
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bryanThe-Ghost|afk:  man mount12:29
SiRrUsneighborlee get the preview, you will like it12:29
Phr0stByteWhy can't I get video when updating to the new kernel? (Hoary)12:29
SiRrUsbe back after dinner12:29
bryanor http://ubuntuguide.org/#mountunmountntfs12:29
The-Ghost|afkthat's ntfs.12:29
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The-Ghost|afkneed to mount ntfs and fat3212:30
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bryanso change ntfs to fat3212:30
The-Ghost|afkubuntu i know can't writgh to ntfs.12:30
TziHi!12:30
The-Ghost|afk:p12:30
neighborleeSiRrUs, so as the fixes come in you just do a upgrade meaning in time you'll have the full release right12:30
farruinnIs there any way to search for documents by date created?12:30
The-Ghost|afkbut it's only ntfs.12:30
The-Ghost|afkwhat about fat32?12:30
bryanlook right under the ntfs section12:30
bryanit says fat3212:30
The-Ghost|afkaha12:30
neighborleealso..can liveCD's yet install to HD ?12:30
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farruinnneighborlee, don't believe so12:31
TziI'm having problems with cups, and latest hoary (updated last night).12:31
TziIf I hit print (test print, for example), the print job appears, reports 'printing' for a few seconds, then disappears without anything happening - No errors, no activity at all..12:31
TziDoes anyone know what could be happening?12:31
poyayanthanks for the release good stuff12:31
farruinnI'm pretty sure that would be pretty big news12:31
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neighborleefarruinn, k thx12:31
neighborleefarruinn, again np ..just curious12:31
neighborleepreview sounds amazing ;-)12:31
The-Ghost|afkthx12:31
The-Ghost|afkof to tray12:31
The-Ghost|afktry12:31
farruinnneighborlee, I *think* the plan is to eventually have a liveDVD that allows that12:32
neighborleewoah12:32
Phr0stByteWhy can't I get video when updating to the new kernel? (Hoary and nVidia card)12:32
neighborleesweeeeeet12:32
TziPhr0stByte: Did you install linux-restricted-modules?12:32
socommPhantomCircuit: You have to update your drivers *every* time you update your kernel.12:32
Aapzakis there anyone here who is against Hoary for a clean install at the moment?12:33
neighborleefarruinn, do you know if upgrading as I go with preview will get me up to final stable release ?12:33
Phr0stByteTzi: Duh - no12:33
farruinnneighborlee, yeah, as long as your sources.list has hoary you'll eventually be in stable once hoary goes stable12:33
Phr0stByteThanx12:33
jesuelnew screenshot :) : http://members.dslextreme.com/users/sjgerman/images/screenshot.png12:33
TziPhr0stByte: ;)12:33
farruinnso apparently ext3 fs don't store data about date created?12:34
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mellinuxDarthFrog: Did you say that Ubuntu will automatically take care of the dual-booting for me? If so, does it let me select what I want to boot every time I power up my PC?12:34
neighborleefarruinn, as I figured..ok thx man12:35
farruinnmellinux, last I knew it doens't, but you just have to uncomment some stuff in your grub.conf I think12:35
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farruinnmellinux, but once it's configured you can hit esc during boot to choose ubuntu or windows12:35
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Aapzakmellinux, in Hoary there is a GUI for your bootloader in which you can select your default OS12:35
l0wrdI cant get my sound working.12:35
farruinnAapzak, ooh, that's a good additoin12:36
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Aapzakyeah grubmanager is great12:36
mellinuxUncomment? What is that?12:36
Aapzakouch mellinux12:36
Aapzak:)12:36
farruinnmellinux, n/m, ignore that part - use grubmanager :D12:36
Aapzaklol12:36
mellinuxHahaha, okay.12:36
Aapzakfarruinn, grubmanager has to be started from CLI12:37
mellinuxHey now, leave me be. I've used Windows something or other for years, and I've decided to walk towards the light lately.12:37
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Aapzakso I'm not sure :)12:37
jesuelmellinux: congrats. :)12:37
Aapzakmellinux, give it a try, but be really carefull during install12:37
socommmellinux: If you see a light run like hell in the opposite direction.12:38
Tzihttp://rafb.net/paste/results/I6VaGZ90.html12:38
TziThat's the cups log..12:38
mellinuxYeah man. I installed Warty on an old PII laptop with <200MB of RAM and it worked fine, but I want to try it out on a 2Ghz+/1GB RAM machine.12:38
farruinnso has no one else has ever tried searching for a file by date created?12:38
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AapzakI mean for your windows install12:38
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jesuelmellinux: warty or hoary with 2ghz / +1gb ram is just beautiful.12:38
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jesuelIt gives a new meaning to fast.12:39
mellinuxSo I've heard.. that's why I'm rediculously eager12:39
mellinuxand I'm tired of Window's spy/ad/malware12:39
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mellinux..which sucks. Balls.12:39
jesuelmellinux: yah. Its really hard to stop that stuff from getting installed.12:39
mellinuxDoes Ubuntu support dual-montiors?12:39
mellinuxMonitors... yay for engrish.12:39
jesuelmellinux: You can configure Dual monitors12:39
Aapzakwindows spyware is the best thing that ever happened to linux :)12:39
jesuelIve got a quad monitor setup @ work12:40
farruinnAapzak, haha, that's going in my signature ;)12:40
l0wrdcan anyone help me with a sound question?12:40
mellinuxHahahahaha good call man...12:40
jesuelAapzak: damm straight.12:40
toerlihow can i get x.org an ati fglrx running? i xorg-driver-fglrx etc... problem is that i need a xorg.conf in which i can set driver to "fglrx". how can i create such a xorg.conf? Xorg -configure didn't work for me12:40
QMarioWhere do I find the samba configuration file?12:40
mellinuxI told someone to get Ad-aware 6 and Spybot for their PC one time, and I told them to go ahead and get Microsoft's anti-spyware program too12:40
jesueltoerli: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf12:41
mellinuxthe linux-user said, "Don't worry about all that, just get linux."12:41
mellinuxwahahahaha12:41
bob2toerli: er, wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto12:41
jesuelmellinux: lol so true.12:41
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zenwhenANyone in here running an athlon64? if so what motherboard are you using, and is everything supported?12:41
jesuelbob2: btw. transparency. Answer is xcompmgr. Look it up :)12:42
toerlijesuel: there is no xorg.conf...there was a xorg.conf but that was only a copy of Xf86Config-412:42
bob2jesuel: duh12:42
jesuelzenrox: a64 here.12:42
bob2jesuel: on Debian it's not possible12:42
mellinuxOff tangent, I tried out Ubuntu on my Pentium II dinosaur of a laptop and I wound up preferring to boot up the laptop in the mornings instead of winXP 2Ghz+ and a gig of RAM... that says a lot.12:42
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bob2jesuel: remember, you were bothering us in #debian12:42
zenwhenjesuel, what motherboard?12:42
jesuelasus uh....forget the model ..12:42
zenwhenI am shopping around for a good socket 754 a64 motherboard for use with ubuntu12:43
jesuelbob2: so possible in ubuntu, just not in debian.12:43
mellinuxIs it possible to use an iPod with Ubuntu? I need something that enjoys working with AAC files without encoding them.. and while we're at it what the heck is OGG?12:44
zenwhenmellinux, I use a 266Mhz P2 laptop with hoary myself.12:44
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jesuelzenwhen: got a friend using a shuttle socket 754 mobo. Works just peachy too.12:44
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bob2jesuel: the distro is irelevant except insomuch ubuntu has x.org and Debian doesn't12:44
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socommmellinux: I don't know if any Open Source AAC de/encoders.12:44
bob2mellinux: ogg is a container format like avi12:44
socommmellinux: Your best bet would be to go with MP3.12:45
jesuelbob2: oh, I see.12:45
bob2mellinux: vorbis is a Free and free lossy audio compression system, like mp312:45
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mellinuxYikes. All my music is in ACC format... time for research.12:46
bob2AAC is a terrible format to rip things to12:46
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mellinuxWhy?12:46
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bob2because it's proprietary12:46
mellinuxI've got ~1.1K songs at 4 gigs.12:46
bob2you could do the same with any other codec12:47
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bob2what happens if thet get anal about the patent?12:47
bob2you might not be able to play your music at all12:47
mellinuxHow big would a 4 minute song at 128kbps in OGG format run at?12:48
bob2um12:48
bob2think about it, dude12:48
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bob24 * 60 * 128 * 102412:48
bob2same as if it's AAC12:48
bob2or mp312:48
bob2or wav12:48
mellinuxHm...12:49
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mellinuxSo OGG doesn't crush it down any smaller?12:49
bob2dude12:49
bob2did you read what you wrote?12:49
bob2you're specifying the bit rate12:49
bob2the bit rate defines how big a file is for a certain length12:49
Aapzaktrue12:50
bob2"I want a 6 foot long piece of wood that's only 4 inches long"12:50
mellinuxWow, settle down.12:50
Aapzakalso true12:50
mellinuxJust wondering, I've never heard of OGG formats until today12:50
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bob2I'm just trying to explain why your question makes no sense :)12:50
l0wrdwhere can i get some tech support?12:50
Aapzaklisten bob2, I get the feeling mellinux is a new linux friend, so please be nice12:51
farruinnl0wrd, try asking a specific question12:51
bob2Aapzak: eh? no doubt.12:51
l0wrdfarruinn, i have.  i dont have any sound, and i need to know how i can setup a sound card with Linux12:51
l0wrdfarruinn, ive asked 5 times.12:51
bob2but it's not a linux question12:51
bob2l0wrd: ask on the mailing list12:51
Aapzakbob2, I know, but it's related to 'our' way of thinking12:52
l0wrdbob2, thanks for the offer.12:52
mellinuxHah, this reads like I'm entering a cult.12:52
l0wrdmellinux, you are.12:52
asubedihow to generate locales for another language?12:52
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Aapzakwell mellinux, some if us are concerned about open standard and free software12:53
rtuckmellinux: You mean you didn't shave your head when doing the install? ~_^12:53
Aapzaksome of12:53
Aapzak:)12:53
QMarioIs StoffBox-Steve still here?12:53
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QMarioIf so, how do I share a printer over the network?12:53
mellinuxNaw, man. I only buzzed it.12:53
QMarioWhat does the ldd command do?12:54
l0wrdim missing the alsaconf command, where can i get it?  all of the ALSA packages installed tha im aware of.12:54
AapzakI really do care about open standards and totally agree with bob2 on using ogg and not some other propreitary stuff12:54
SiRrUsrtuck I did were we not supposed to?12:54
bob2QMario: show which libraries a binary wants at runtime12:54
desrtok.  usb woes are gone12:54
l0wrddesrt: hows you fix it?12:54
desrti think one of the ubuntu kernel patches is crackrock12:54
jesuelheh, my head has been shaved for a few years now :)12:54
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desrti reverted back to my gentoo kernel and now it doesn't crash anymore12:54
l0wrddest: what version?12:55
cwilluSegmentation faults on several programs, including synaptic, mozilla, nautilus, etc...  How do I begin to troubleshoot?12:55
l0wrddesrt: what version?12:55
desrtnow using 2.6.11-rc4 ala gentoo12:55
desrti also fixed my evo problems12:55
desrtreally, the only thing that's left to fix is why the heck i have no sound12:55
l0wrddesrt: im gonna go back to 2.6.7 and compile alsa manually.12:55
desrtl0wrd; try installing ogg12312:55
mellinuxOh, I get where you're coming from, bob2. You'd prefer using free, open-source codecs because they're not patented/copyrighted, rather than because they sound better.12:55
bob2l0wrd: try a supported ubuntu kernel12:55
desrtsee if you can play music directly or if it's a gstreamer problem12:56
bob2mellinux: vorbis certainly spanks mp312:56
bob2mellinux: I'm not sure how it compares to AAC12:56
l0wrdbob2, whats what im usig now.12:56
mellinuxvorbis... ?12:56
bob2mellinux: the codec you keep refering to as "ogg"12:56
mellinuxGotcha.12:56
l0wrdbob2, if you dont wanna help me out, please dont address me.12:56
bob2mellinux: ogg is a container, like avi.  vorbis is an audio codec.12:56
desrtbob; a couple of people have done surveyes that say ogg beats aac/mpeg412:56
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bob2l0wrd: whatever12:56
rtuckmellinux: The full name of the codec is ogg vorbis.12:56
desrtbob; but not by as wide of a margin as it beats mp312:56
bob2desrt: ah, interesting12:56
jesuelbetween aac and ogg. I actually prefer ogg vorbis to aac for sound quality.12:56
desrtlemme see if i can find one12:57
mellinuxIt takes time to learn a completely new language; like in this case, linux.12:57
mellinuxOgg Vorbis? Is that somebody's name or what?12:57
QMarioDoes anyone know how to share a printer over a network?12:57
resiakmellinux: xiph.org12:57
rtuckmellinux: Hai, hai. Warkarimasen.12:57
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cwilluShare with what clients?12:57
QMarioWindows clients.12:57
socommQMario: samba12:58
cwilluYou'd need to setup/configure samba... this probably isn't the best place for help for that12:58
dazedhello all12:58
QMarioWhere can I get additional help?12:58
jesuel'lo dazed12:58
cwilluThe config should be about the same for any distro, so any samba faq's/tutorials you find should be simple to use12:58
mellinuxrtuck, hablo solo un poco espaol, lo siento.12:58
desrthttp://ff123.net/128test/interim.html12:58
cwillugoogle for share printer samba12:58
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QMarioThank you cwilu.:)12:59
cwillucan anybody give me a hand figuring out why applications seem to close on their own/segfault?12:59
jesuelWhich application(s)?12:59
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mellinuxDoes Ubuntu work well with other computers on the same router/hub/switch?01:00
bob2mellinux: of course01:00
mellinuxDang, I meant winXP computers.01:00
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jesuelmellinux: yeah.01:00
cwillusynaptic, mozilla, nautilus, to name a few01:00
HiddenWolfwill a hardware raid of 2 sata disks on an nforce4 give me any problem as a main disk?01:00
bob2of course01:00
mellinuxMultitasking here.01:00
jesuelmellinux: it works just peachy01:00
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bob2HiddenWolf: it's not actually hardware RAID01:00
mellinuxhmm.01:00
desrtsigh01:00
desrti can't find the one i was looking at beforfe01:00
desrtit had nice graphs and everything01:01
desrteveryone seems to agree, though, that ogg beats out aac01:01
l0wrdHiddenWolf, probably cause nforce sucks01:01
cwilluI'm running hoary right now, but warty had the same problem;  I've already tried reinstalling01:01
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HiddenWolfbob2: can I run a sata-raid on nforce4 for / ?01:01
mellinuxYou know what? I almost refuse to believe that people program this killer operating system with all these applications on it for FREE. It's mind-boggling.01:01
jesuellol01:01
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Aapzak:)01:01
mellinuxRock on.01:01
mellinuxIt just puts a smile on your face, you know?01:01
Aapzakbusiness models are mostly based on selling support01:02
jesuelIts not thats its free, some people may have gotten paid for their development along the way from their employer or another way. And the Source code for that was developed as open source and made free as well01:02
cwilluand I have another (much different) machine which is running fine01:02
error_29I prefer ogg vorbis too; where the pain comes in however, is in having to convert all one's mp3s to that format01:02
Aapzakso the money comes from companies who buy support on an OS01:02
desrthttp://music.tinfoil.net/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=66001:03
desrthere's another01:03
desrtthe one i'm looking for had neat graphs with error bars on them01:03
mjrconvertin mp3s to vorbis isn't really a good idea01:03
desrtif anyone finds it, plz let me know01:03
jesuelerror_29: I just ripped my cd's to ogg instead of converting. No loss in quality then.01:03
mjryou lose quality twise01:03
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mjrtwice01:03
Aapzakogg vorbis won't play in my carstereo, so I still have to settle for mp301:03
jesuelAapzak: ouch.01:03
Aapzakyes :(01:04
jesuelmine plays mp3's just fine, thank god01:04
bryangnomebaker is working well :D01:04
Aapzakmine plays mp3, not ogg01:04
jesuelwhat headunit?01:04
error_29jesuel, yes.  But accumulated .mp3s... years' worth, ouch.01:04
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cwillu:(01:04
Aapzakcheap clarion01:04
metalskyhey, i just installed Ubuntu for the first time last night -- could anyone here help me figure out how to get GCC working?01:04
jesuelerror_29: about 600 cd's worth here.01:04
bryanflack > vorbis01:04
bob2metalsky: install build-essential01:04
bryanflac*01:04
bob2FLAC01:04
zenwhensudo apt-get install build-essential01:04
desrtbryan; not even the same category01:04
metalskythx01:05
jesuelAapzak: alpine f1 here.01:05
bob2but FLAC has a different aim to vorbis01:05
desrtthat's like saying wav > jpeg01:05
bob2well, TIFF > JPEG01:05
AapzakFLAC = lossless01:05
bryanhardly, they're both audio01:05
bob2is a better analogy01:05
socommFLAC = Ownage.01:05
Aapzakonly 50% compression01:05
metalskythat did it, thanks guys :)01:05
desrtbob; i was trying to exagerate :)01:05
cwillumy turn?01:05
HrdwrBoBbob2: png > jpog01:05
HrdwrBoBjpg01:05
zenwhenWhat does one install in hoary to play dvd's I dont see libdvdcss01:05
error_29I love FLAC, but disk space isn't infinite...01:05
zenwhen?01:05
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cwillubecause I could just stick with winxp if I didn't mind random application errors :p01:06
Aapzakerror_29, my point exactly01:06
zenwhenI have universe and multiverse enabled01:06
bryanzenwhen:  gstreamer0.8-plugins01:06
zenwhenOh01:06
AapzakI still prefer xvid over dvd for that reason01:06
jesuelzenwhen: ubuntuguide.org, read under the alternate nerim.net rep's01:06
zenwhenits in gsreamer now01:06
zenwhen?01:06
bryansudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins01:06
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jesuelzenrox: libdvdcss2 is not included in any of the ubuntu rep's sadly.01:07
cwillusudo apt-get install MakeSynapticEtAlStopCrashing01:07
jesuelerr zenwhen ;p01:07
bryancwillu:  what's the problem?01:07
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cwilluOn my other machine (a laptop), synaptic, mozilla, etc randomly close (one program complained of a seg fault don't know if it was related)01:08
error_29Something I can't understand with the licensing issues, is why my .avi files, made with xvid, are excluded from the "legal" release.  .xvid is open!01:08
cwilluI've had this issue on warty and hoary, even after a reinstall01:08
cwilluoff a pressed cd or downloaded image01:08
mellinuxMan, that old hard drive can't come soon enough.01:08
bryani couldn't play dvd's on hoary untill i did the above command01:08
error_29I meant to say " why my .avi files won't play"...01:08
bob2zenwhen: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats01:08
bob2HiddenWolf: http://linux.yyz.us/sata/faq-sata-raid.html01:09
The-Ghost|afk"bash: sudu: command not found"  ????????????????????????????????????????????+01:09
bob2cwillu: possible you have bad ram/disk01:09
bob2The-Ghost|afk: "sudo"01:09
cwillumemtest came back clear01:09
The-Ghost|afkhehe01:09
The-Ghost|afkops01:09
The-Ghost|afkaha01:09
bob2error_29: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats01:09
The-Ghost|afkthx.01:09
bob2error_29: xvid is Free Software, but uses patented technology01:09
zenwhenjesuel, does the nerim.net have just a few shady packages? I dont want to mix in a lot of unsupported non ubuntu packages01:09
cwilluand the scan disk associated with the partitioning when I did it came back clear as well (although I'll double check that)01:09
HrdwrBoBzenwhen: there is only a few packages there01:10
zenwhenok01:10
bob2cwillu: you ran memtest86?01:10
Aapzakgood question01:10
jesuelzenwhen: the link that bob2 posted owrks just as well01:10
cwilluyes01:10
error_29thanks bob2; i assume the culprit is divx, and they're having "de-opened" (?) er, closed the project...01:10
jesuels/owrks/works01:10
cwilluI swear  by that program :)01:10
error_29shit, I can't type tonight.01:11
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sleeperhi01:11
jesuelerror_29: you either.01:11
cwilluand used bootitng for the partitioning (dual with an xp partition that i can't lose quite yet)01:11
sleeperi need one program similar to autocad01:11
sleeperwho can i use?01:11
Aapzakcwillu, is your windows still stable?01:11
cwilluyse01:11
cwilluyes01:11
bob2error_29: no, mpeg-4 is heavily patented01:11
bryani have a bunch of tv episodes in xvid from HR HDVT source and they play on hoary01:11
socommsleeper: I hear that Microsoft has a wicked program called paint.01:12
bob2like, up the wazoo01:12
bob2another good reason to use Free codecs like ...01:12
sleeperwindows?01:12
bob2Ogg Theora!01:12
sleeperi need for ubuntu01:12
Aapzakcwillu, maybe not the hardware then01:12
cwilluI'm doing development on xp, i.e., using all 512 megs of ram and most of the disk before I repartitioned01:12
bob2sleeper: qcad's the only Free one I know of01:12
tritiumsleeper, perhaps qcad01:12
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bob2sleeper: presumably autocad/etc have linux ports01:12
bob2since I'm pretty sure they all started on unix01:12
jesuelI *believe* there is a version of autocad direct from autodesk that is native or has linux binaries.01:12
error_29I didn't realize that,bob2. thanks for the info.01:12
sleeperok01:12
Aapzakcwillu, too exotic hardware for Ubuntu?01:12
sleeperthx01:12
sleeperi will try01:12
socommbob2: Now if only we can convince warez dudes to conver to open standards. :^)01:13
cwilluit's a 3 year old laptop;  I've had mandrake and redhat on it before with no issues other than no support for the modem and an initial xfree86 misconfig01:13
rtucksocomm: That's easy, just put the standards in a zip file with a password on it.01:13
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Aapzakcwillu, P1?01:13
cwilluathlonxp200001:14
cwillu512meg, 40gig01:14
Aapzakpretty std hardware01:14
eb0xI'm having trouble with my sound .. i read somewhere that the problems with sound on ubuntu is turning a lot of people away.... how do I fix my sound,01:14
eb0xUbuntu possibly isnt detecting my sound card or something01:14
cwillujust starting a surface scan on it to make sure, but I'm pretty sure its clear01:14
Aapzakcwillu, stability issues are the worst of all :(01:15
cwilluyou're telling me :p01:15
Aapzakmy workstation mobo died yesterday,01:15
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Aapzakor power supply, not sure yet :(01:16
psai_has anybody experiance with slow nfs transfer speeds (hoary)01:16
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bob2eb0x: no, I don't think it's a serious problem for many people01:16
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bob2eb0x: do you have more than one sound card01:16
bob2?01:16
Aapzaktried proc, mem and hd in other machine, no crashes. after placing everything back the damned thing does not even prduce video anymore01:16
eb0xno i dont01:16
mellinuxA family friend's Dell just quit working a few months ago, I went over and everything looked in place, so I went and got a new power supply, plugged it in, and it worked. Dell said she had a virus and needed a new PC.01:16
cwilluis there a failsafe (i.e., 2.4 or something) kernel for ubuntu I could try?01:16
HrdwrBoB2.4 is not recommended for ubuntu01:17
cwillulol:  "had a virus" = "needs new pc"01:17
mellinuxI hate Dell.01:17
socommcwillu: Yes.01:17
QMarioWhy?01:17
bob2eb0x: on board card? tv card?01:17
jesuelmellinux: thats the wonder new technical support from india dell is using01:17
cwilluwhere would I get this?01:17
eb0xits inside my computer01:17
socommcwillu: At boot press escape or something.01:17
eb0xCreative SoundBlaster LIVE! series01:17
cwillufailsafe kernel?01:17
mellinuxHahaha yeah man, yay for outsourcing jobs.01:17
error_29Oh man, what a pleasure to install RealPlayer in linux!  none of that crap that Real puts one through with Windows!01:17
socommcwillu: Yes, it'll who up in a menu at boot.01:17
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error_29(though I still hate Real)01:18
cwilluokay... the menu already comes up (dual boot with xp)01:18
jesuelmellinux: yep01:18
cwillujust gonna let the scan finish first01:18
Aapzakerror_29, thats new since version 10, thatone really rocks!!01:18
eb0xI tried updating it from the site, but according to them [Creative]  there are no updates available for Linux01:18
bob2eb0x: ignore creative's site01:18
mellinuxThose Dell commercials showing the nice, attractive, and young mid-20s female are so full of bullshit it makes my blood boil.01:18
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bob2eb0x: what does 'lsmod | grep emu10k1' print?01:19
mellinuxNot being racist here, but it's the truth.01:19
jesuelmellinux: lol yah01:19
fr500hello01:19
error_29Soundblaster Live should work fine ebOx01:19
cwilluif that works around it, are there any common workarounds for the 2.6 kernels from 2.4?01:19
fr500how can i ping several ip addresses? i want to load the addresses from a file01:19
The-Ghost|afkknow what errors=remount means?? it's standing on hda1.01:19
jesuelI just pray everyday that my isp doesnt outsource support to india.01:19
mellinuxI called them and they don't even help you, the only read out of a book that says, "Turn to page 25, part C if the customer answers 'yes.'"01:19
jesuelmy old isp did, and they went to shit.01:19
Aapzakeb0x, that cards also supports hardware mixing, I'd say it;s one of the cards you'd want in your linux system01:20
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error_29mellinux, I have to admit that the happy happy people in some of the ubuntu pics inexplicably annoy me too01:20
eyequeueThe-Ghost|afk:  afk?01:20
eb0xeb0x@ubuntu:~ $ lsmod | grep emu10k101:20
eb0xeb0x@ubuntu:~ $01:20
desrtubuntu needs apt-get install i-dont-care-if-its-non-free-software-just-make-my-computer-work01:20
mellinuxWhat was your old ISP, jesuel?01:20
eyequeueThe-Ghost|afk:  in the case of errors remount01:20
jesuelold isp was sbc01:20
The-Ghost|afkeyequeue can i pm?01:20
error_29maybe 'cause I'm twice their age, and cranky about it ;(01:20
eyequeuek01:20
mellinuxHahahahah error_29, you mean the gay, shirtless Mr. Clean on the frontpage?01:20
mellinuxhttp://www.ubuntulinux.org/login.jpeg01:20
mellinuxHe's on the bottom left01:20
error_29well, I'm glad you said it... :)01:21
cwilluhe's holding on to two half-naked chicks... are you really sure he's gay?01:21
mellinuxOooh, good point.01:21
jesuelI moved into verizon territory, so now i have verizon. its the fios service. So i cant even get a reseller. I have to deal with verizon's support.01:21
bob2eb0x: sure it's a sb live?01:21
mellinuxHey, at least now we know that Ubuntu covers all its bases.01:21
eb0xI'm almost positive01:21
eb0xI went into Device Manager01:21
mellinuxGays, lesbians, and porn.01:21
eb0xAnd it had SB Live! in there01:21
jesuellol mellinux01:21
error_29I mean, they really should stick some ugly old people in there too.  Or some kids01:21
mellinuxWhat?01:21
bob2mellinux: please?01:21
bob2mellinux: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct01:21
eb0xBut the card came with my computer01:22
QMarioCan SWAT help me share printers easily?01:22
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error_29This 20 something fetishism gets boring.  I don't care about the sexual prefs01:22
bob2eb0x: try 'sudo modprobe snd_emu10k1'01:22
mellinuxErrr.. I have no idea what to say01:22
mellinuxSorry.01:22
cwilluqmario, xp clients mostly?01:22
bob2amen, error_2901:22
QMarioYes01:22
Aapzakwon't lspci -v tell us exactly whats in eb0x' machine?01:22
cwillucups is probably the easiest way then01:22
QMarioHow do I do that?01:22
bob2Aapzak: even lspci is enough01:23
cwilluipp printing;  under xp you connect to the linux printer via local printer | url01:23
eb0xroot@ubuntu:/home/eb0x # sudo modprobe snd_emu10k101:23
eb0xroot@ubuntu:/home/eb0x #01:23
Aapzakbob2, will it tell chipset info as well then?01:23
error_29seriously, I first heard about ubuntu because somebody was writing about how he set it up for his grandma.  I say, put grandma in an ubuntu t-shirt and get a testimonial.01:23
QMarioIt can't find the printer on the network.01:23
bob2Aapzak: it will show the pci id and name, which is usually enough01:23
bryani'm a little late, but the guy on that login.jpg (among other ubuntu artwork) is the ugliest motherfucker i think i've ever seen01:23
bob2Aapzak: thanks for the reminder, I forgot about :)01:24
eb0xFor the lspci01:24
mellinuxBleh, my grandmother has a Dell.01:24
eb0xIt came back with 2 things01:24
eb0xwell01:24
bob2bryan: thanks for the input01:24
eb0xmore than 201:24
Aapzakbob2, true, true01:24
mellinuxI'm going to stick some more RAM in it.01:24
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eb0xbut 2 things pertaining to my sound card01:24
eb0xlol01:24
mellinux128MB doesn't work too well with winXP01:24
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socommDell hell.01:24
Methiashi guyts01:24
jesuel128 with xp?01:24
jesuelomg01:24
mellinuxTell me about it.01:24
Methiaslisten i need help with application removal01:24
jesuelI couldnt even run 98 with 12801:24
mellinuxThe poor thing took forever to boot up AOL.01:24
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mellinuxYes, she has AOL.01:24
eb0xbob2: http://nopaste.biz/?122201:24
jesuellol01:25
Methiasare any of you familiar with editpad by JGSoft?01:25
mellinuxI know, it's the cream of the crap01:25
jesueloh yeah01:25
jesueldialup right?01:25
mellinuxbut it's her only choice.01:25
mellinuxYeah..01:25
bob2Methias: if you installed something from outside ubuntu, it's best to talk to whoever made it for help01:25
eb0x0000:02:02.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs [SB Live! Value]  EMU10k1X01:25
eb0x0000:02:02.1 Input device controller: Creative Labs [SB Live! Value]  Input device controller01:25
jesuel800x600 resolution or worse on a 14 or 15inch monitor too?01:25
Aapzakeb0x, thats a live! allright01:25
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mellinuxSo does Hoary come out in early April, or have they not set a release date yet?01:25
eb0x^_^01:25
Methiasbob2:  well - canty i just remove the directory?01:25
mellinuxNo, it's 1024xwhatever but it's a small monitor01:26
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jesuelmellinux: figures. Yuck01:26
mellinuxand I'm going to perform some surgery on it next week, it's spring break so I have some extra time.01:26
mellinuxHang on just a second...01:26
zbowlingthe 2.6.10-4 kernel is broken for me01:26
zbowlingkernel panic, can't mount vfs blah blah blah01:27
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bob2mellinux: there's been a set release date since september01:27
bob2er, july, I guess01:27
mellinuxOh, what is it?01:27
jesuelI refuse to use anything less than a 17 inch monitor, except my laptop which is a 15.4 widescreen01:27
Aapzakwhich is nice01:28
AapzakI have SXGA, nice as well01:28
mellinuxWord, jesuel. I have a 17" CRT and a 17" LCD.01:28
bob2mellinux: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule01:28
mellinuxViewsonic and Sharp01:28
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jesuelnot sure what my laptop resolution is. actually01:28
zbowlingjust fyi.. i build my own kernels since they started moving things around in the 2.6.9+ tree for pcmcia and stuff and I need to keep my wifi card working. I have some orinoco/prism patches to allow for scanning/monitoring on 2.6 if you guys want to patch01:28
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jesuel1440x1050 is...01:28
eb0xbob2: Do you know what else I can do?01:28
mellinuxthey work nice paired, and I know one of both sounds odd, but the way I have my desk worked out makes the CRT + LCD work.01:28
jesuelreally have no idea what that is classified as.01:29
bob2eb0x: what does 'lsmod | grep emu10' print now?01:29
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jesuelcrt+lcd? interesting01:29
Aapzakboys and girls, it has been a pleasure, but I have to work tomorrow, cu around, happy Ubuntu'ing!01:29
error_29I've got an old 20" mitsubishi crt; gorgeous for tv and dvds.  pain in the ass to move though.01:29
eb0xbob2: Resluts are at http://nopaste.biz/?122301:29
mellinuxYeah, man.01:29
mellinuxLater man, thanks for the help.01:29
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Aapzakwelcome ...01:30
mellinuxHeh, error, mine is hard to move too.01:30
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jesuelerror_29: heh, my upstairs computer has a 22inch mitsubishi monitor on it. That thing just about broke my back when I last moved it.01:30
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bob2eb0x: does "alsaplayer" or whatever work now?01:30
mellinuxoof01:30
error_29like 70 pounds!  Only needed degaussing once.  Got it free as a bribe to keep me from murdering my old roommates cats.01:31
jesuelAnd the only person that uses that computer 99% of the time is my daughter01:31
mellinuxI have a picture of my workspace on hardocp.com's forums, hang on a second.01:31
eb0xalsaplayer?01:31
jesuellol error01:31
eb0xI dont know what that is01:31
eb0xBut when I try to go into Volume Control or anything01:31
eb0xI get Sorry, no mixer elements and/or devices found01:31
jesuelNow if i can get my daughter to use linux ill be happy.01:32
mellinuxWhat does it run on right now, and how old is she?01:32
mellinuxI'll be damned if I can get my sister to use even Firefox01:32
jesuelher machine is a dual p3 1ghz with 2gb ram01:32
QMarioWhen you change the configuration file, do you need to reboot the computer?01:32
mellinuxmuch less any linux distro.01:32
jesuelits my old workstation.01:33
mellinuxThat rapes01:33
error_29heh, usually it's the kids trying to get mom and dad to run linux, isn't it?01:33
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jesueloh, she's 11 btw01:33
sh1mmerIf I deselect xorg-common with apt will that remove gnome and all the run level 5 apps?01:33
jesuellol error :)01:33
bob2mellinux: language please01:33
mellinuxHaha, good point.01:33
QMarioDoes anyone know the answer to my previous question?01:33
bob2QMario: depends what config file it is01:33
bob2sh1mmer: no01:33
QMarioSAMBA01:33
bob2QMario: then no, just restart samba01:33
bob2QMario: sudo invoke-rc.d samba restart01:33
sh1mmerbob2 any suggestions?01:34
error_29lol, mellinux.  I wish I could get my workplace to use firefox.  And the bastards keep nagging us about viruses and security!01:34
bob2sh1mmer: "run level 5 apps" is a redhat-ism, too01:34
bob2sh1mmer: if you mean "all programs which use xlibs", then remove xlibs itself01:34
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QMariosudo invoke-rc.d samba restart01:35
jesuelhmm, I think im just gonna install linux on the upstairs computer. Its mine anyway. :)01:35
jesuelShe only uses webbrowsing anyhow.01:35
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eb0xmeh01:35
QMarioHow do I know if my printer attached to my Linux computer is shared?01:35
membreyahmmm anyone else running the new clearlooks theme?01:35
eb0xi dont know what to do ;(01:35
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QMarioWhat does "meh" mean?01:35
tritiumQMario, have you read through the docs in /usr/share/doc/cupsys ?01:35
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eb0xi dunno its just a word01:35
gillesWhat is the filesystem used by ubuntu ?01:36
jesuelerror_29: HAHAAH01:36
bob2gilles: ext3, by default01:36
tritiumQMario, particularly, the README.Debian01:36
bob2you can of course use something else if you prefer01:36
jesuelerror_29: dont forget to autohide the taskbar01:36
bob2eb0x: it should work now01:36
error_29yes, jesuel, could catch ! lol01:36
cwilluhey, um, exactly how was the failsafe mode supposed to help me trouble shoot x applications closing?01:36
bob2it won't01:37
cwilluthats what I thought :)01:37
cwilluso.... is there another kernel I can try then?01:37
eb0xit doesnt though :x01:37
bob2eb0x: ignore gnome01:37
jdubof course01:37
error_29believe me, nobody where i work knows how to use a right click menu, they'd never figure it out...01:37
bob2eb0x: try alsaplayer or such01:37
jdubif you use anything other than ext301:37
djstjust installed the preview release, seems to be working great01:37
jdubyou are crazy :)01:37
djsttempted to switch from vidalinux01:37
eb0xI tried the sound thing01:37
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=== Funraiser just got a 10 Mega ADSL connection :-)
jesuel10mbit adsl?01:39
Funraiseryep01:39
mjrthat'd be rate-limited adsl2 then?01:39
jesueluhm... doesnt the protocol max out @ 8mbit download and 1mbit?01:39
mjrthat's why01:39
mjranyway, nice01:39
bob2jesuel: adsl201:39
jesueloh hum.01:39
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jesuelive got 15mbit download/2mbit upload fios from verizon01:40
cafuegobob2: What do you mean, pick one channel?01:40
Funraisernice01:40
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bob2cafuego: you're evil01:40
Funraiseronly 256 up though01:40
jesuelthat with a /29 ip block for 99 a month.01:40
jesuelim happy01:40
mellinuxjeeze.01:41
Funraiser29 a month here01:41
jesuel29...01:41
jesuelthats cheap.01:41
bob2a /29 in .au costs you one of cafuego's arms01:41
mellinuxI'm at 3.2mbit up/ .32mbit down01:41
Funraiseri know01:41
jesuellol bob201:41
cwillucan nobody give me any troubleshooting advice?01:41
jesuela /29 is enough for me though01:41
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tritiumcwillu, for what?01:42
cafuegobob2: I got a free /29 with my permanent link from Connect.com.au - and they also gave me a /27 when I asked for one (free).01:42
bob2cwillu: I'd strongly suspect bad ram unless you ran memtest86 for a day01:42
cwilluapplications close / segfault01:42
jesuelisp does offer 30mbit download/5mbit upload. but its 200 a month. too much.01:42
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cwilluwhich I have01:42
HrdwrBoBhaha we have a 20mb link01:42
bob2cafuego: for $5000/month01:42
cwilluand suffer no instability under xp under heavy laod01:42
urikhey01:42
HrdwrBoBwe pay 30k/month01:42
HrdwrBoBor something like that01:42
urikanyone up for a quick q?01:42
bob2cwillu: is the kernel oopsing?01:42
cwillu?01:43
sh1mmerdon't make me hop on the uni's backbone01:43
urikis there any reason ubuntu wouldent boot streight into x on boot?01:43
jesuel20mbit link 30k a month?01:43
HrdwrBoBurik: yes, lots01:43
bob2urik: if it couldn't configure X automatically01:43
jesuelomg thats alot.01:43
bob2jesuel: this is .au01:43
jesueloh01:43
HrdwrBoBjesuel: welcome to australia01:43
bob2jesuel: bandwidth is expensive01:43
cafuegobob2: Nah, not $5000. $300.01:43
Funraiserplus bittorent only give you what...100 kB/s...01:43
cwilluoopsing?01:43
bob2well, commercial bandwidth01:43
sh1mmerI wish shdsl prices would drop in the uk01:43
jesuelbob2: oh i know bandwith is expensive ;p01:43
bob2residential stuff is pretty damn cheap01:43
urikx works perfectly when I type startx01:43
urikjust not on booy01:43
urikboot*01:43
bob2urik: is it a default install01:43
bob2?01:43
HrdwrBoBin the US, $3k/month will get you 100mbit and 3-4 racks01:43
urikyes01:44
bob2cwillu: paste the output of dmesg to #flood01:44
jesuelHrdwrBoB: yup.01:44
urikjust installed it onto my laptop01:44
Slavengraphical frontends for mysql?01:44
Slavenpreferably qt01:44
HrdwrBoBSlaven: mysqlcc01:44
HrdwrBoBis in qt01:44
Slavenbut gtk2 is nice too01:44
cwilluhmm01:44
cwilluthat neccesitates copying it over from the machine... one sec01:44
Funraiser100 mega for 30$/month in US?01:44
SlavenHrdqrBoB: Nice. Thanks.01:44
HrdwrBoBFunraiser: $300001:44
Funraiseroh01:45
jesuel100mbit for 30 a month? uhm. doubtful.01:45
HrdwrBoBk = 100001:45
HrdwrBoBor 1024 if you're talking about data01:45
Funraiseryeah but i sounded too expensive01:45
HrdwrBoB.. too expensive01:45
HrdwrBoBfor colocation, 100mbit unlimited and four racks?01:45
Funraiserin france u get 20mega down , 1 mega up for 29/month01:46
jesuel100mbit unlimited + 4 racks? around 3k?... if you can get it. thats a good deal01:46
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QMarioWhy is it so hard just to share a printer over a network?01:46
HrdwrBoBFunraiser: that's not commercial bandwidth.01:46
jesuelFunraiser: and if you use your connection real heavily. Your isp will kill your account i bet.01:46
bob2QMario: it's not01:47
HrdwrBoBFunraiser: that's also 1% of the upload speed01:47
QMarioDo you know how?01:47
scorpix_how can i make a new partition to install another OS next to ubuntu ?01:47
HrdwrBoBbut anyway, I'm shutup now, it's offtopic01:47
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bob2QMario: yes01:47
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cwilluflooded01:48
Funraiserand free calls too01:48
bob2scorpix_: do you have free space on the disk?01:48
bob2cwillu: you pasted five lines01:48
cwillubob2:... it's been flooded to #flood01:48
bob2then your client went away01:48
scorpix_bob2: yea, its 80GB01:49
cwilluhmm01:49
bob2put it on a website or get a better client01:49
cwillu:p01:49
cwilluone sec01:49
jesuelhrm, Max  In:  16262.0 kB/s  /  Max  Out:  2326.8 kB/s01:49
Funraisernot bad01:49
wartyis this ubuntu chatroom?01:49
Funraiserlol01:49
bob2channel, yes01:50
wartychannel..01:50
wartyjust trying my ubuntu live cd01:50
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wartyjust received it yesterday..01:50
cwilluhttp://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?action=edit&id=WilliamUnderwood01:50
wartywarty01:50
cwilluat the bottom01:50
mellinuxDoes Ubuntu Live works off of the RAM only?01:51
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error_29can anybody advise me about these specs for an hp laptop I'm thinking of getting tomorrow:01:52
error_29Athlon 64 Processor 3000+ , nVIDIA GeForce 4 44001:52
cwillubob2:  you got that?01:52
error_29I keep reading about issues with nVIDIA and amd64... so I'm a little wary01:53
LinuxJoneserror_29, I advise you to send it directly to me01:53
jesuelerror_29: should be speedy. :)01:53
jesuelerror_29: my laptop is amd64 3000+ and ati radeon 960001:53
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error_29alright, I'm sold!01:53
jesuelhow much ya payin?01:54
QMarioIs bob2 still here?01:54
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cwilluI hope so :)01:54
mellinuxerror, what issues did you hear about nVidia and AMD64s?01:54
jgeorgesonanyone know how much is required on a fresh install (of the latest hoary) to support a cisco aironet 340 pcmcia card?01:54
jesuelerror_29: just stop smokin.01:54
error_29about 1100 bucks, 60 gig drive, 512 ram01:54
jesuelerror_29: ouch.01:55
error_29wide screen.  I'll bet the battery sucks.  They all do.01:55
jesueland here ive been having problems trying to sell my laptop for 900 lol.01:55
jesueland ive got more ram than that too.01:55
jesuelIts new right?01:55
mellinuxBatteries are the lowest common denominator in terms of technological progress.01:55
error_29yep01:55
bob2cwillu: yeah01:56
bob2cwillu: that's fro mthe segfaulty machine?01:56
bob2QMario: yes01:56
cwilluyse01:56
cwilluyse01:56
bob2cwillu: very odd then01:56
cwillubah01:56
cwillu_yes_01:56
bob2cwillu: try filing a bug, I guess01:56
cwillu:p01:56
cwilluubuntu or elsewhere?01:56
mellinuxIt's a shame too, because they've been around the longest.01:56
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error_29I'm hoping for fuel-cell laptop energy sources.  Then maybe I can inhale fumes from the machine, instead of a cigarette01:56
Teal`canybody know the root password on the livecd distro ? (gnome 2.10 cd)01:57
LinuxJonesTeal`c, try sudo -s in console01:57
ikamahi01:57
error_29seriously, I'm not letting myself in for hell with amd 64, and nvidia graphics?01:57
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Funraiserwhat kind of nvidia Gforce 4 Mx 440?01:58
mellinuxI just found a 5-inch floppy disc.01:58
mellinuxWoooooow.01:58
jesuelwow01:58
ikamaanybody does know how i connect belkin bluetooth dongle with udev and hal01:58
mellinuxHoly smokers, it bends.01:58
jesuelHeh, i dont have a 3.5's let alone 5 1/4's01:58
error_29GeForce 4 440 Go with 64MB of RAM01:58
ikamawith hotplug i know it01:58
Funraisergeneric one?01:58
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jesuelIve not even had a floppy drive in a computer in the last 3 years.01:58
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Methiaslinux cant use ttf fonts can it?01:59
Funraiserasus/leadtek?01:59
Methiashow do i get ttf fonts towork in ubuntu?01:59
ikamathere have to be an firmware upload to the dongle01:59
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mellinuxI used to keep them for Word documents for school papers, but then this little thing called Gmail came along..01:59
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tritiumerror_29, I've got GeForce 4 440 Go, 64 MB.  Absolutely no problems in i386.  Don't know about amd6401:59
cwillumetias, there's a batch of ms fonts available if that's what you want01:59
bob2cwillu: ubuntu01:59
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error_29heh, mellinux, that's funny.  I just set up a friend with gmail, so he'd stop saving all his work on floppies.02:00
jesuellol02:00
cwilluthx02:00
tritiumMethias, they already work02:00
jesuelI save all my stuff on a usb key.02:00
ionsI just upgraded to hoary and I can't find Synaptic in the menu02:00
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mellinuxWell, you can't lose Gmail, so I decided against the USB jumpdrives.02:00
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jesuelWell my usb key is also a mp3 player so I dont really forget about retreiving it :)02:01
mellinuxHah, that's a little different.02:02
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mellinuxI have all my videos backed up on my iPod.02:02
jesuel512mb :)02:02
Niomi_hello :D02:02
error_29ions, systems_administration02:02
ionsnm, I just had to install it again for some reason02:02
mellinuxhowdy02:02
ionsit wasn't there error_2902:02
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Methiaswait02:02
Methiasso02:02
gumpishWhat does Ubuntu have that's equivalent to sar? http://bama.ua.edu/cgi-bin/man-cgi?sar+102:02
ionsI'm not the only one it's happened to02:02
Methiasi can use ttf font files in linux?02:02
ionshttp://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=11899&highlight=synaptic+disappeared02:02
Methiasare you shitting me?02:02
mjrMethias, yes02:02
Methiasokay how02:02
Methiashow how how02:02
mjrin fact, nowadays your default fonts are probably ttf02:02
mjrper-user, just put them in your ~/.fonts directory02:03
Methiaswhat is ~?02:03
mjrthat'll take care of apps using fontconfig02:03
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mjrsadly, eg. openoffice.org isn't one of them and needs extra tweaking02:03
mjrhome02:03
mjror, just open fonts:/// in nautilus and drag the fonts there if you didn't get the first instructions02:04
Methiasi dont have a ./fonts directory in my home02:04
mjr(actually, one / extra, but it doesn't matter)02:04
ikamaerror_29???02:04
bob2gumpish: isn't it "sar" in the acct package?02:05
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ikamahow can I configure BELKIN Bluetooth USB dongle with hal and udev02:05
K-RichWhy is wxpython not in synaptic?02:06
error_29ikama, ? hunh?02:06
ikamapardon me?????02:06
Gfaulthi, gone back02:06
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error_29oh, tritium, thanks for responding.  i missed your remark above.  (weird colors in xchat are making me blind...)02:07
tritiumerror_29, no problem :)02:07
gumpishbob2: I just installed the "acct" package and apparently sar was not included.02:07
tritiumK-Rich, it's in universe02:07
reverHi I get this error when trying to install locales .....  ISO-8859-1...cannot open locale definition file 'en': No such file or directory02:07
ikamaok anybody can tell me the procedure to connect usb dongle with the hal system02:08
K-Richtritium: for Warty ?02:08
tritiumK-Rich, no, Hoary02:08
bob2gumpish: guess it's not in ubuntu02:08
bob2ikama: hal has nothing to do with it02:08
mjrikama, I don't think hal has much to do it02:08
mjrecho02:08
bob2ikama: does linux support the dongle at all?02:09
ikamayes !!!02:09
K-Richtritium: ugh, i need it on warty :/02:09
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bob2ikama: then plugging it in should be enough02:09
mjrinstall bluez-utils and make sure they're started (from /etc/init.d/bluez-utils)02:09
ikamaI already have put BCM203X to /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware/02:09
gumpish=(02:09
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ikamain mepis it works02:10
bluefoxicywadap wadap02:10
ikamain mandrake also02:10
bluefoxicywhere is open office 202:10
bluefoxicyOO1 sucks.02:10
ikamabut with the udev and hal system I think there is an other procedure02:10
bob2bluefoxicy: apt-cache search openoffice | grep 202:10
bob2ikama: no02:11
bob2ikama: look at the /var/log/messages after you plug it in02:11
reverCan someone tell me what I am missing or what I need to install or is there an article or howto I can look at.02:12
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jesueloh well, time to go home. See yall later on02:13
tritiumbluefoxicy, openoffice.org2 isn't working as well as 1.1.4 (e.g. .doc files with tables open with empty tables)02:13
nixnewbletevening guys02:13
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bluefoxicytritium:  ah, is the rtf filter as broken as in OO1?02:13
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tritiumbluefoxicy, I don't know about that.  I just tried opening a .doc with tables in both, and it only displays in 102:13
bluefoxicytremor:  when I used 1.1.2 and earlier, RTF headers from AbiWord and MS Word were dropped; RTF would be exported from OO with styles applied (rather than saved as styles, like MSWord and AbiWord do it); and margins on RTF were completely ignored (MSand ABI Word see 0.75 inch, OOo shows 1.25 inch)02:14
tritiumI only use openoffice to view things.  I use LaTeX for authoring.02:14
bluefoxicyand I hate OOo's UI02:14
bluefoxicytritium:  Unfortunately Agnubis is like, prealpha02:15
bluefoxicyand Koffice is ass.02:15
bluefoxicyso OOImpress is the only presentation software that's any good here02:15
QMarioHow do I run web pages using Terminal?02:15
tritiumbluefoxicy, I used latex-beamer for presentations02:15
QMarioIn Linux. :)02:15
bob2QMario: "run"? you mean "view"?02:15
bob2bluefoxicy: prosper or magicpoint.02:15
bluefoxicytritium:  will it save in powerpoint or sxi format?02:16
QMarioYes02:16
tritiumbluefoxicy, no, .pdf02:16
bluefoxicybob2:  magicpoint's nonexistant ui is ass :)02:16
bob2boo hoo02:16
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QMarioIs that comment for me, bob2?02:16
tritiumbob2, I liked prosper until I came across latex-beamer02:17
bob2nope02:17
bob2tritium: hm, I'll have to give it a go02:17
bob2bluefoxicy: er02:17
tritiumbob2, yeah, you may like it too :)02:17
bluefoxicyeh.02:17
bob2bluefoxicy: maybe you should have read the documentation to know how it works?02:17
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QMarioThen how do I view a web page using Terminal?02:17
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bluefoxicybob2:  I want to do stuff, not read docs.  Laziness you know02:17
bob2QMario: links, lynx or w3m.02:18
tritiumbluefoxicy, will pdf output work for you?02:18
bluefoxicytritium:  I was looking for actual presentation delivery, transitions and all, fullscreen02:18
bluefoxicythings that won't detract people from the content02:18
QMarioLinks, such as localhost:631/printers02:18
tritiumbluefoxicy, it's got transitions, and fullscreen is no problem02:19
bluefoxicypeople are pretty much used to the pageflipping and all yb now, but a PDF presentation brings thoughts of "Wow this is really shoddy"  "why isn't he using powerpoint" "did he say something on the last slide?"02:19
bluefoxicytritium:  Transitions happen in xpdf?02:19
bob2QMario: no02:19
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bob2bluefoxicy: yes02:19
bluefoxicywow02:19
bluefoxicyhtf does that work o.o02:19
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bob2bluefoxicy: er, the people you're presenting to suck then02:20
tritiumbluefoxicy, view some of his example presentations:  http://latex-beamer.sourceforge.net/02:20
bluefoxicy*shrug* I'll look into those later, latex beamer and prosper?02:20
QMarioThen how do I view to http://localhost:631/printer in Terminal?02:20
desrtUpstream Author: Jeff Waugh <jeff.waugh@canonical.com>02:20
bob2when I see OO or powerpoint presentation, I think "wow, what a waste of time"02:20
QMarioI am just asking for the commands. :(02:21
bob2QMario: links http://localhost:631/printer02:21
bob2as I said02:21
bob2and don't be so whiney when people are helping you02:21
QMarioI was just joking about the ":)"02:21
QMarioI meant the ":("02:22
QMarioI didn't mean to put the ":("02:22
QMarioHeh02:22
bluefoxicytritium:  I'm not seeing transitions using xpdf for http://latex-beamer.sourceforge.net/beamerexample1.pdf02:22
Funraisernice pdf here http://latex-beamer.sourceforge.net/beamerexample1.pdf02:23
tritiumbluefoxicy, pdf defines slide transitions.  Read the latex-beamer manual for more info02:24
bluefoxicyif I can find it02:24
QMarioLinks does not work, bob2.02:25
Trickerhmm02:25
bluefoxicytritium:  the home page makes it look like it's language based instead of WYSIWYG based02:25
Trickerhow to mount a vfat partition so all users can read all files in it????02:25
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SlavenHm. I can't get the mod_python package to work properly.02:25
tritiumbluefoxicy, of course.  It's LaTeX02:25
Funraiserbob2 you are saying pdf does the same job as powerpoint but faster?02:25
tritiumyou can try it in LyX, if you want to02:25
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jason_hello, world02:25
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SlavenIt works fine, until I add "index.psp" to the list of index page names. Then all pages give "internal server error".02:25
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Tricker?02:26
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bluefoxicytritium:  instantly not interested. . . I know html, xhtml, xml, xslt, C, C++, Objective-C, 6502 assembly, some 286 assembly, TCL/TK, perl, Java Script . . I don't feel like learning another language just to spend hours defining a document o.o02:26
jason_i am trying to edit my boot configuration, so i can boot both linux AND windows.  Can someone tel me why I cannot find my grub.conf file?  Is it something I must download?02:26
tritiumbluefoxicy, too bad...02:26
tritiumLaTeX produces unrivaled output, particularly mathematics02:27
dazedwhats everyone up to tonight02:27
Tricker:(02:27
eyequeuejason_:  /boot/grub/menu.lst02:27
BROKEN_LADDERwhen i plug in a device, it gets a dmesg entry.  so why is there not some automount system that is called by the same processes responsible, and does not have to poll?02:27
BROKEN_LADDERanyone know the answer to this?02:27
Trickertraying to get my hdd's working02:27
bluefoxicytritium:  more of an issue to me is that this is a common application though, and most people who want to define presentations don't want to do it with a language.  I don't need to flex my muscles showing how l33t I am by doing it the hard way :p02:27
bob2QMario: then lynx02:27
bluefoxicyright tool for the right job and all02:27
DazeD||laptopi dunno dazed what are u up to02:27
dazedlol \)02:28
danielsBROKEN_LADDER: there is a system that does that, and it generally works.02:28
jason_eyequeu: can i edit it with NANO, or is there something better?02:28
bob2Funraiser: I'm saying pdf for presentations is preferable in my opinion02:28
tritiumbluefoxicy, exactly, and with the mathematics I need, wysiwyg presentation tools like powerpoint don't cut it at all02:28
danielsBROKEN_LADDER: if it's broken, i'm sorry to hear that, but there are better ways to get help than by coming in here and complaining that it doesn't exist02:28
bluefoxicytritium:  that's you though :)02:28
eyequeuejason_:  nano will work fine for that :)02:28
bluefoxicytritium: http://usrbac.sourceforge.net/misc/sec_presentation.sxi02:28
BROKEN_LADDERi'm not claiming anything.02:28
Funraiserjust asking02:28
kapputuhi guys02:28
BROKEN_LADDERbut i was told that autofs is a hack.02:28
bluefoxicytritium:  I'm gonna present that at BaltoLug on thursday02:28
jason_eyequeu: thx bro02:29
eyequeuejason_:  "better" will get you countless opinions on the best text editor :)02:29
kapputuquick question - how stable is hoary02:29
BROKEN_LADDERdaniels:  what other system is there?02:29
BROKEN_LADDERkapputu:  i use it with no real problems.02:29
BROKEN_LADDERoh, but gstreamer doesn't work now.02:29
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kapputualso has anyone installed gnome 2.1?02:29
BROKEN_LADDER2.1?02:29
kapputuI mean 2.1002:29
BROKEN_LADDERoh..lol.02:29
BROKEN_LADDERi think i have one sec.02:29
danielsBROKEN_LADDER: 'so why is there not some automount system that is called by the same processes responsible'02:29
bluefoxicytritium:  I think my bf might like latex though, I know he's into bondage and candle wax and stuff02:29
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BROKEN_LADDERdaniels:  that's my question ys.02:30
hazmatall of a sudden i'm having 2 major issues with hoary.. first starting up gnome has started taking absurd amounts of time before getting to a desktop on the order of 10minutes, and localhost doesn't seem to be operational.. offhand do these sound familiar to anyone?02:30
BROKEN_LADDERyes02:30
BROKEN_LADDERdaniels:  do you know of one?02:30
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QMarioWho is running Hoary Hedgehog?02:30
BROKEN_LADDERme02:30
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cwillubob2:  I'm not sure, but I think the livecd works fine02:30
BROKEN_LADDERdaniels:  you are probably talking about hal02:30
bluefoxicy* daniels' kernel panics02:30
danielsBROKEN_LADDER: yes, the one that's been in both Warty and Hoary02:30
tritiumbluefoxicy, that would be easy to put into latex-beamer.  What is it you want me to see?02:30
kapputu\\\02:30
bluefoxicytritium:  *shrug* It'd be easy for you, but I'd have to lear the language to do it, and it'd be lots of typing instead of drag-and-drop for no real gain02:30
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BROKEN_LADDERhal, last i checked, can't work for multiple users logged in simultaneously.02:30
BROKEN_LADDERthat's a seriously flaw imo.02:31
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BROKEN_LADDERit should have nothing to do with users being logged in.02:31
knucksanyone here have an ipod + linux?02:31
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bluefoxicydaniels:  how can you just pull the thumb drive02:31
poyayananyone know if there are any advantages of having the libgnome2-perl package for installing packages?02:31
BROKEN_LADDERi wouldn't buy an ipod if you paid me.02:31
bluefoxicydoesn't it have to be unmounted first02:31
BROKEN_LADDERit doesn't play vorbis.02:31
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danielsbluefoxicy: er, it gets unmounted as it's suddenly a dead device02:31
hazmatdoh the localhost issue was my fault02:31
bluefoxicywon't you corrupt it due to the deferred writes, or something02:31
jdubpoyayan: you get graphical config windows during install if required02:31
hazmatknucks, yes, i use it with ubuntu sa well02:31
knuckshazmat, how did u set it up?02:31
Funraiserknucks your printer works?02:31
hazmatknucks, firewire, sbp2 module, and gtkpod02:31
knucksFunraiser: yeah somehow it worked02:32
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knuckshazmat...links to this stuff? info?02:32
hazmatknucks, basically i plugged it in and it mostly works, i had to manually mount it02:32
poyayanhow often do that occur jdub?  would you suggest I install it?02:32
tritiumbluefoxicy, just giving you suggestions, like you asked for02:32
bluefoxicydaniels:  in 2.6.10, pulling a compact flash reader/card while it's mounted panics the kernel, according to some lkml post I read a few months back.02:32
bluefoxicytritium:  *nod*02:32
knuckshazmat, can you run nme through that?02:32
danielsbluefoxicy: *shrug*, works ok for me02:32
jdubpoyayan: your call02:32
hazmatknucks, sure02:32
knucksok02:32
BROKEN_LADDERoh yeah..i _am_ using gnome 2.10.  seems cool.02:32
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bluefoxicytritium:  I was more focused on end user friendly suggestions though ;)  I'm not a nukular physicist after all.02:32
QMarioHow do I share the printer with samba?02:32
poyayanhmm02:32
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cwillu2.6.8-2.6.10 warty/hoary applications in general crash... live cd seems to work fine though, and the harddrive surface scan is clear02:32
hazmatknucks, are you connecting via firewire?02:33
bluefoxicytritium:  I'll keep looking though, thanks02:33
knucksyeah02:33
tritiumbluefoxicy, LaTeX is not rocket science ;)02:33
BROKEN_LADDERcrash? no crash problems here.02:33
bluefoxicytritium:  no, latex is coding, lots of typing, and made to write rocket science with02:33
hazmatknucks, is it a recent ipod make? ie what generation?02:33
knucksits a 15gb one..02:33
hazmatknucks, the old windows ones were formatted differently02:33
sh1mmeris there any way I can use apt-get to uninstall everything that depends on say x-windows-system-core to remove all the xlibs stuff?02:33
knucksso..3rd generatioin i gues02:33
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hazmatknucks, have you used it with a mac ?02:33
shadeofgreyokay guys i still need help with fonts02:33
bluefoxicytritium:  in other news, my computer can deepthroat now, or at least it can swallow OOImpress in 3 seconds start-up time.02:34
knucksi dont think so02:34
kapputuok if I find hoary unstable can I revert back to warty?02:34
knucksi bought it from a guy on ebay..but i think he used windows02:34
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tritiumbluefoxicy, interesting description02:34
kapputuwhat's the equivalent of modconf in ubuntu02:34
kapputumodprobe?02:34
shadeofgreyi copied all my windows fonts to the main fonts folder in ubuntu02:34
hazmatknucks, hmm... your probably best off looking at the gtkpod.sf.net docs or googling linux ipod... mine and most new ones are formatted hfs+ but if you have an fat formatted ipod there are differences02:35
poyayanthanks for the info jdub02:35
shadeofgreybut none of the one s i added are coming up in the font selections which seem to be limited to a very small numbver of fonts02:35
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quaruptanyone know a way to play real audio with AMD64 i386 bin doesnt work?02:35
knucksok thx hazmat02:35
hazmatknucks, on hoary, all i did was plug it in.. no manual work required.. it just pops up on the desktop02:35
Funraiserno it doesn't quarupt02:36
shadeofgreyso where would the basic sys fonts for ubuntu be stored?02:36
hazmatpretty cool actually02:36
knuckshm really?02:36
tritiumwatching the O.C. just to see the Star Wars trailer is simply not worth it02:36
knuckscuz im on hoary and so far nothing02:36
quaruptFunraiser, so is there an alterniatave?02:36
shadeofgreyyou can go download the trailer02:36
tritiumexactly02:36
shadeofgreywww.starwars.com02:36
Funraiseri've heard it doesn't work, haven't investigate02:36
shadeofgreyduh02:36
cwillu<-- hopes that maybe a newer kernel will work, because he can't find an older one to try via synaptic02:36
kapputuis there a way to revert back to hoary?02:36
hazmatknucks, try a dmesg and see what kinda of output you get.. i used to manually mount and have this entry in /etc/fstab /dev/sda       /media/firewire0 hfsplus defaults,noauto,user       0      002:36
bluefoxicy+ok02:36
cwillu<-- hopes that synaptic doesn't crash while _downloading_ said kernel02:36
bluefoxicyOOImpress 2 has a much better UI02:36
knucksk02:37
bluefoxicybut it handles sxi OpenOffice 1.1 presentations horridly02:37
shadeofgreywhat is OOImpress 2?02:37
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bluefoxicyshadeofgrey:  openoffice 202:37
knuckshazmat, what should i look for?02:37
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shadeofgreyis it out???02:37
mikep_what is the version# for hoary?02:37
bluefoxicy /var/cache/apt/archives/language-pack-en-base_20050308_all.deb02:37
bluefoxicyE: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)02:37
Amaranthwhoops02:37
bluefoxicythat package refuses to go in02:37
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cwilluwork! work! work!02:38
cwilludown with crashing! down with crashing!02:38
kapputuhullo anyone around?02:38
kapputuI have a few questions02:38
tritiummikep_, 5.0402:38
kapputuplease don't turn away an eager Ubuntu user02:38
cwilluwhat did you nee?02:38
cwillud02:38
cwillu?02:38
Funraisergo ahead kapputu everybody's listenning02:39
tritiumkapputu, nobody is turning you away02:39
shadeofgreycan somebody please help me with my fonts issues02:39
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mikep_does "dist-upgrade" upgrade from warty to hoary?02:39
cwillushadeofgrey, what are trying to do?02:39
shadeofgreyi have a 300 page manuscript to get in by next thursday and if i have to look at that godforsaken courier system font the whole way ill kill myself for sure02:39
cwilluonly if you have the hoary repo turned on02:39
cwilluwhat prog?02:39
shadeofgreycwillu: i downloaded a full copy of editpadpro02:40
shadeofgrey502:40
shadeofgreyby JGSoft02:40
shadeofgreyi a=lso copied over all my .ttf fonts to the fonts:/// area in nautilus02:40
cwilludoes it display fine (i.e., only wrong while printing?)02:40
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kapputucan someone provide me with the link to upgrade to hoary?02:40
tritiumshadeofgrey, do they show up in your ~/.fonts directory?02:40
BROKEN_LADDERi'm trying to figure out what options to put in fstab for an ntfs drive a just put back into my system.02:40
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BROKEN_LADDERcan anyone help?02:41
cwillukapputu:  you need to change the repositories in synaptic from warty to hoary02:41
Funraiserkapputu ubuntuguide.org02:41
hazmatknucks, any connection of new device event02:41
mlambiewhat app will show me I/O throughput on my drives in real time, like bwm shows network throughput?02:41
shadeofgreyi dont HAVE a /.fonts directory02:41
shadeofgreyi dont think02:41
cwillu.files are hidden by defaults02:41
mikep_tritium: how do u upgrade from warty to hoary?02:41
knucksieee1394: Node suspended: ID:BUS[0-00:1023]   GUID[000a2700026af4e0] 02:41
knucksieee1394: Node resumed: ID:BUS[0-00:1023]   GUID[000a2700026af4e0] 02:41
knucksieee1394: Node changed: 0-00:1023 -> 0-01:102302:41
kapputuI saw a post in ubuntulinuxforums.org by a jdong who gives a script to do the upgrade02:41
shadeofgreyhow do i view them so i can cut and paste the .ttfs?02:41
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hazmatknucks, and or a loading of the firewire sbp2 and scsi modules or the usb mass storage device module (if using usb)02:42
shadeofgreytheres over 800 of them... would take forever with commandline02:42
hazmatknucks, modprobe sbp202:42
shadeofgreyto be honest i only really want ONE02:42
shadeofgreymy day roman file02:42
kapputualso I have a problem with not being to access secure sites02:42
BROKEN_LADDERmikep_:   you go into your apt-get files and change all instances of warty to hoary02:42
error_29kapputu, easy as pie, just open synaptic, look at the repos, and change all "warty" to "hoary", then smartupgrade02:42
kapputuI'm having a problem accessing webmail02:42
knucksFATAL: Error inserting sbp2 (/lib/modules/2.6.10-4-386/kernel/drivers/ieee1394/sbp2.ko): Operation not permitted02:42
BROKEN_LADDERi have no idea what "syntapic" is.02:42
tritiummikep_, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes/02:42
kapputuerror_29: can't I use apt-get?02:42
dazederror_29: i did that and it said that it couldnt find a few repositories02:43
error_29I suppose you can...02:43
FunraiserKapputu http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#upgradewartytohoary02:43
kapputuI mean edit sources.list02:43
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BROKEN_LADDERwhat the hell is synaptic?02:43
mikep_tritium: tu02:43
tritiumsure02:43
error_29Synaptic package manager02:43
BROKEN_LADDERis it some gui thing?02:43
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DarthFrogBROKEN_LADDER:  It's a GUI frontend to apt-get.02:43
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kapputuhoary is going to be released in April?02:44
tritiumyes02:44
smoHas anyone had problems with LVM on hoary? I don't see anything relevant on bugzilla nor the lists02:44
nandifrom the synaptic convers02:44
marcin_anthi02:44
QMarioHow do I restart Samba again?02:44
kapputuok anyone else having problems with webmail02:44
kappututried both mozilla and firefox02:45
kapputushould I try a different engine?02:45
marcin_antcould someone tell me why I got two instances of gdm running always on my desktop?02:45
nandiWhen I click on synaptic from gnome the cursor remains busy but no window comes up02:45
kapputuI couldn't install galeon02:45
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error_29Is there any way for a user to customize this so-called custom menu?  It's taking up a lot of space on the panel, and I'd like to get rid of the gnome-foot thing02:45
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DazeD||laptophow many upgraded packages are with the hoary upgrade02:45
nandiin short synaptic does not start02:45
nandican any one explain why02:46
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Funraisernandi you upgraded to hoary?02:46
ellsis anyone having issues in hoary with playing mp302:46
nandino02:46
kapputuam I asking in the wrong forum?02:46
nandiI am on warty02:46
QMarioCan anyone tell me the command to restart Samba?02:46
Funraiserit never started?02:46
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tritiumQMario, there's a script in /etc/init.d/ you need to run with sudo, and pass it "restart"02:47
error_29ells, weirdly, hoary played mp3 as soon as I upgraded, even though under warty I hadn't installed any mp3 support.  Very strange.02:47
DarthFrogQMario:  /etc/init.d/samba restart02:47
tritiumQMario, I don't have samba installed, or I'd tell you the exact filename.  it's probably samba02:47
SlavenI'm a total noob with PHP02:47
ellserror_29, can you tell me the tools I need02:47
kapputuok upgrading to hoary02:48
Slavenbut since I can't get mod_python to work, I'm trying it out02:48
error_29oh, one issue, and i should file a bug report on it:  totem skips at the beginning of playback02:48
Slavenbut I can't get the mysql module working.02:48
error_29um-- http://ubuntuguide.org/02:48
Funraisernandi synaptic never started?02:48
kapputua lot of things in Ubuntu has been built with python?02:48
nandiyes never started02:48
DazeD||laptopis there a big difference between hoary and warty?02:48
error_29ells, that guide tells you all about getting the proprietary stuff working02:48
SlavenI've installed it with APT... does it require any further configuration to work?02:48
Funraiseropen a terminal and type sudo synaptic02:48
ellstritium: my audio will not work in hoary for mp3 support, also when I click the mp3 in xmms it locks up02:49
tritiumells, since when?02:49
nandiFunraiser ok i will try that02:49
ellstritium: like today or yesterday I think02:49
DarthFrogDazeD||laptop: Yes.  Warty is the first release.  Hoary will be the second release.02:49
ellstritium: it worked in warty02:49
tritiumells, what has been installed/removed since that time?02:49
ellshonestly, cant totally remember, wine for starters02:49
nandialso I have a Dlink modem. Is there a way to find whther it has been detected02:49
kapputuanyone upgraded to gnome-2.10?02:50
cwilluhmm02:50
error_29kapputu, I thought that's what hoary was using.. it's not?02:50
cwilluhow stable is the sound driver?02:50
kapputuI have no idea02:50
kapputuI'm just upgrading02:50
kapputuI din't notice would be a good answer02:50
ellstritium: when I double click the mp3 and it goes to totem, it immediately closes02:50
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cwilluplausible that it could be causing my closing applications issues?02:51
DazeD||laptopwarty is the first release of ubuntu DarthFrog?02:51
wdhells, i have exactly the same issue here02:51
kapputuI have been having issues with firefox and evolution02:51
error_29help file says gnome 2.8 desktop02:51
ellswdh really02:51
tritiumells, i'm not having any trouble02:51
kapputubarring that I love ubuntu02:51
ellstritium: what tools play the mp302:51
tritiumells, I typically use rhythmbox02:51
ellswdh, have you figured out on your end what it is02:51
error_29no, wait, the gnome help says 2.6 in another section, wtf???02:52
jdubDazeD||laptop: the difference is six months of: a) progress in the world of open source software, and b) vigorous development and bug fixing on the part of the ubuntu maintainers02:52
ellstritium: I can try it, but do you know about the tools02:52
wdhi see totem showing up for about half a second.. and then it shuts down.. for movies as well.. mplayer was able to play mpegs fine..02:52
Funraisernandi dunno02:52
wdhells, not yet02:52
error_29I don't understand gnome at all; the documentation always seems a mishmash02:52
tritiumkapputu, gnome 2.10 is in hoary02:52
ellswdh: pkay02:52
ellsokay02:52
tritiumells, what tools?02:52
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ellstritium: codecs and such02:52
mellinuxHey again, fellas.02:52
mellinuxJust booted up Warty Live02:53
tritiumells, yeah, what about them?02:53
Funraiserrealplayer works fine wdh02:53
ellstritium: my music acts crazy with all players02:53
wdhFunraiser, never liked realplayer much..02:53
ellstritium: my real player wont open either02:53
Funraiseri have perfect tv shows with realplayer02:53
ellstritium: sounds maybe like a gnome issue02:53
tritiumells, strange02:53
mellinuxHow do you configue Ubuntu to use 2 monitors side by side?02:53
tritiumells, I'm uptodate with hoary, don't have that problem02:53
tritiumells, I just tried your click method in nautilus, and totem works too02:54
goldfishmellinux: program called synergy02:54
wdhells, try installing gstreamer0.8-mad02:54
goldfishmellinux: u cud try that02:54
ellstritium: I wont lie, I used hoary last week, worked fine and reinstalled and now crap02:54
kapputuany good themes for Ubuntu02:54
ellswdh okay02:54
kapputulooking for some eyecandy02:54
tritiumells, you already had gstreamer0.8-mad, I remember02:55
ellstritium: now cant play movies either02:55
QMarioBye02:55
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ellstritium: kind of messed up that movies wont play either02:55
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tritiumells, if you reinstalled, perhaps you didn't reinstall gstreamer0.8-mad and w32codecs02:55
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mellinuxgoldfish, with warty live how do i get synergy02:55
tritiumells, why did you reinstall?02:55
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ellstritium: w32 is, but the other, I will check02:55
netsniperanyone know how to get Eclipse SDK going on Ubuntu?02:56
netsniperafter much googling, no help...02:56
ellstritium: I had crossweaver installed in hoary and all kind of errors came up02:56
kapputuwhat is python mainly used for in Ubuntu?02:56
_manuelI updated to hoary and  (x.org and KDE 3.4 looks very cool)02:56
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cwilluyou have java installed?02:56
kapputuhoary uses x.org?02:56
FunraiserKapputu u should check gdesklet for some eyecandy02:56
netsniperya02:56
_manuelbut the fonts looks ugly02:56
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cwillusun's or otherwise?02:56
netsnipersun jdk02:57
_manuelkapputu: apt-get install xserver-xorg02:57
FunraisergDesklets02:57
netsniper1.5.0_0202:57
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goldfishmellinux: http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/02:57
cwilluI think there's a command line via javaw02:57
kapputulink for gdesklets?02:57
_manuelbut the fonts looks ugly02:57
cwillubeen there done that?02:57
kapputuwhat's that actually?02:57
tritiumkapputu, apt-cache search gdesklets02:57
hou5toni have tried a couple different things to get my Outlook contacts to cleanly import into Evolution .. with limited success ... Any suggestions?02:57
netsniperi want Eclipse going02:57
dazedgoldfish: y0 ... have u done the hoary upgrade or u stickin on warty?02:57
Funraiserkapputu there is a website02:57
cwillunetsniper02:57
netsniperi have installed the gtk2 bin from Eclipse website -- but it crashes02:58
tritiumhou5ton, there's outport02:58
eb0xI am trying to update my GAIM (There is a newer version than what is on the synaptic update) and it says I need GTK+ 2.0 ... Is there a way to easily update to GTK+ 2.0 ?02:58
goldfishdazed: getting another pc on sunday, gonna try hoary on that. you?02:58
ellstritium: gstreamer was not installed, I will now see if my songs work02:58
tritiumhou5ton, http://outport.sourceforge.net/02:58
Funraiserhttp://gdesklets.gnomedesktop.org/02:58
dazedgoldfish: im upgrading now...going to be an all nighter im bettin on my slow ass 56k shared 3 ways lol02:58
tritiumeb0x, you have it02:58
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wdheb0x, what release of ubuntu are you using?02:58
goldfishdazed: lol02:58
kapputuapt-get install xserver-xorg din't work02:58
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eb0xwarty02:58
ellstritium: naw, it still locks up02:59
wdhswitch to hoary then :)02:59
ellswdh: I am on hoary02:59
hou5tontritium:   thanks ... appreciate it02:59
netsnipercwillu, ya?02:59
eb0xHow do I change to hoary without reinstalling02:59
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kapputucouldn't install gdesklets too02:59
skreetWhen I load Ubuntu on my laptop (with noapic and nolapic or without) it goes past the inital screens full of text then to wehre it should be *blue* it turns black and stop responding. Any ideas?02:59
kapputubroken packages02:59
cwilluhow does it crash02:59
wdhchange all repositories in synaptic from warty to hoary02:59
goldfishskreet: sounds like x is failing02:59
tritiumeb0x, gtk2.0 is in Warty as well03:00
goldfishskreet: nvidia card?03:00
netsniperthere is a log in /opt/eclipse/configuration/*.log03:00
wdhthen update and 'mark all upgrades' and 'apply'03:00
skreetgoldfish, There's no X during the install process..03:00
goldfishk03:00
skreetgoldfish, Right?03:00
Funraisertha's eyecandy: http://www.lynucs.org/index.php?screen_id=692813795402a3035d54db&p=screen03:00
skreetgoldfish: And, it's an ATI card. It installs fine on my desktop (nvidia card)03:00
goldfishskreet: eh, sorry bit of a n00b, but i had that problem03:00
goldfishhrmm...03:00
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skreetgoldfish: on a laptop?03:00
tritiumhou5ton, sure :)03:00
goldfishyeah03:00
cwillucan you post that log file somewhere?03:00
leveldochi ppl03:01
goldfishnvidia03:01
skreetgoldfish: Did you fix it?03:01
dazeddownloading file 1 of 859....OH GOD!03:01
eb0xhow do i update to hoary?03:01
netsnipercwillu, private?03:01
eb0xisnt there an apt-get command i can use03:01
cwilluanywhere03:01
goldfishskreet: yeah i was on an nvidia, i just had to update my drivers03:01
kappututhat's cool03:01
tritiumeb0x, you don't need Hoary for gtk2.003:01
kapputuhow do I get that?03:01
cwilluI don't think theres anything security wise inthere03:01
kapputuhttp://pastebin.com/252915 - error installing gdesklets03:01
eyequeueFunraiser:  gentoo?03:01
cwilluprobably _not_ in irc03:01
leveldocjust upgraded to hoary, having problems using skype - anyone else?03:01
wdhtritium, nope.. but if he wants a new version of gaim, he might as well switch :)03:01
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error_29folks, anyone getting this message with apt-get update:03:01
difektaFIREFOX keeps telling me that it can't startup because someone is "using" the default profile.  what is that supposed to mean?03:01
cwillui.e., if you can blog or server or ftp03:01
difekta"using"?03:01
skreetgoldfish: Well, I'm having this problem while *installing*03:02
difektalike, some other program is reading it, therefore ff can't read it?!03:02
goldfishoh right :/03:02
ellstritium: I now can play video but no sound03:02
eb0xtritium: I know that, How can I update to Hoary?03:02
skreetAnyone have any issues installing ubuntu on a laptop getting a black screen?03:02
Funraisereyequeue, any distro + gdesklets03:02
ellstritium: any ideas03:02
eyequeuedifekta:  most likely it didn't shut down properly03:02
leveldocdifekta: do a "ps auxwww | grep mozilla-firefox"03:02
error_29W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems03:02
error_29E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.03:02
difektaof course it didn't.03:02
difektaso what?03:02
goldfishskreet: search ubuntuforums.org mayb03:02
error_29When I run apt-get update again, no problem03:02
wdherror_29, its quite self-explanatory03:02
error_29This happens every time03:02
tritiumwdh, not if he's not ready to deal with a preview release03:02
error_29What is wdh?03:02
skreetgoldfish, I did, no avail, thats why I'm here :D :P03:02
goldfishlol03:02
goldfish:/03:02
netsnipereclipse.buildId=I20050219-150003:02
netsniperjava.fullversion=GNU libgcj 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-8ubuntu2)03:02
netsniperBootLoader constants: OS=linux, ARCH=x86, WS=gtk, NL=en_US03:02
netsniperCommand-line arguments:  -os linux -ws gtk -arch x8603:02
netsniper!ENTRY org.eclipse.osgi 2005-03-10 20:01:22.69203:02
netsniper!MESSAGE Startup error03:02
wdherror_29, the error03:02
netsniper!STACK 103:03
netsniperjava.lang.NoSuchMethodError: method java.io.FileOutputStream.<init> was not found.03:03
netsniper   at _Jv_ResolvePoolEntry(java.lang.Class, int) (/usr/lib/libgcj.so.4.0.0)03:03
netsniper   at org.eclipse.core.runtime.adaptor.Locker_JavaNio.lock() (Unknown Source)03:03
netsniper   at org.eclipse.osgi.service.datalocation.FileManager.lock() (Unknown Source)03:03
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netsniper   at org.eclipse.osgi.service.datalocation.FileManager.open(boolean) (Unknown Source)03:03
cwillu_not_ in irc :p03:03
netsniper   at org.eclipse.core.runtime.adaptor.EclipseAdaptor.initFileManager(java.io.File, java.lang.String) (Unknown Source)03:03
netsniper   at org.eclipse.core.runtime.adaptor.EclipseAdaptor.initialize(org.eclipse.osgi.framework.adaptor.EventPublisher) (Unknown Source)03:03
eb0x.....03:03
netsniper   at org.eclipse.osgi.framework.internal.core.Framework.initialize(org.eclipse.osgi.framework.adaptor.FrameworkAdaptor) (Unknown Source)03:03
error_29the error is clear, what's not clear is why the error is happening!03:03
wdhrun apt-get update and see which lines seem to be wrong..03:03
skreetMan Nautalis is cool.03:03
netsniper   at org.eclipse.osgi.framework.internal.core.Framework.Framework(org.eclipse.osgi.framework.adaptor.FrameworkAdaptor) (Unknown Source)03:03
wdhnetsniper, stfu03:03
netsniper   at org.eclipse.osgi.framework.internal.core.OSGi.createFramework(org.eclipse.osgi.framework.adaptor.FrameworkAdaptor) (Unknown Source)03:03
goldfishlol03:03
netsniper   at org.eclipse.osgi.framework.internal.core.OSGi.OSGi(org.eclipse.osgi.framework.adaptor.FrameworkAdaptor) (Unknown Source)03:03
NobleArcis it safe to install packages from nerim.net (debian-marliat or something, I need transcode)?  It complains about GPG signatures. o_O03:03
netsniper   at org.eclipse.core.runtime.adaptor.EclipseStarter.startup(java.lang.String[] , java.lang.Runnable) (Unknown Source)03:03
tritiumignore netsniper03:03
netsniper   at org.eclipse.core.runtime.adaptor.EclipseStarter.run(java.lang.String[] , java.lang.Runnable) (Unknown Source)03:03
dazedswitching over to hoary ...itd take me a full 24 horus to dl on 56k lol and too many packages will crash03:03
cwillulooks like either java isn't installed correctly, or there's something wrong with the class path03:03
tritiumarg03:03
netsniper   at _Jv_CallAnyMethodA(java.lang.Object, java.lang.Class, _Jv_Method, boolean, java.lang.Class[] , jvalue, jvalue) (/usr/lib/libgcj.so.4.0.0)03:03
eyequeueFunraiser:  just noting the hostmale in grellm :)03:03
netsniper   at _Jv_CallAnyMethodA(java.lang.Object, java.lang.Class, _Jv_Method, boolean, java.lang.Class[] 03:03
netsniperdoh, sorry03:03
eyequeueFunraiser:  hostname03:04
error_29Why does it barf on apt-get update, then do the apt-get update with no problem?  What, it just wants me to type everything twice?03:04
eyequeuenetsniper:  STOP03:04
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leveldocguys: has anyone else problems with KDE applications on a default hoary?03:04
cwillunetsniper, your classpath might be screwy03:04
difektathis makes no sense.  why would firefox complain that something else is "using" a settings file?  how can that stop it from reading the file?03:04
drspinyo all03:04
netsnipercwillu, how would i fix it?03:04
NobleArc"WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!" <--- o_o Is that really important?03:04
cwilluyou're a java developer... you should know :)03:04
BobaFetthey guys...Im having problems starting my ubuntu and Im really starting to freak out...03:04
drspindifekta: sudo killall -9 mozilla-bin03:04
drspindifekta: then try to run it again03:05
difektai did03:05
cwilluhow did you install java?03:05
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leveldocdifekta: what does ps say?03:05
eyequeuedifekta:  that kill he mentioned will *cause* the problem!03:05
tritiumells, did you check out the logfiles in /var/log ?03:05
Funraisereyequeue...errr Ubuntu here, if u are referring to the link i just gave, it's a screenshot, but not from mine03:05
SiRrUsBobaFett whats wrong with it03:05
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DazeD||laptopcwillu: www.ubuntustarterguide.org03:05
Hell-Razorhey guys...kind of a stupid question but my brain went to go fuck somebody...but anyways...how would i install a .deb package?03:05
cwilluI know how03:05
eyequeuedifekta:  you have a lock file left over,remove it03:05
cwilluI am asking how _he_ did03:05
ellstritium: naw I can, what will I be looking for03:05
leveldocHell-Razor: dpkg -i "package"03:05
cwillunetsniper:  how did you install java?03:05
skreetOkay where do I go with my laptop-related issues :\03:05
kapputuany help with gdesklets?03:05
tritiumells, any errors related to sound ;)03:05
BobaFettSiRrUs: When I log on to GNOME; it says 'your session lasted less than 10 seconds, check your diskspace'03:06
Hell-Razorleveldoc, ty03:06
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eyequeueHell-Razor: sudo dpkg -i foo.deb03:06
goldfishHell-Razor: dpkg -i package03:06
difektaa "lock" file?03:06
cwilluskreet... what?03:06
leveldocHell-Razor: np03:06
BobaFettSiRrUs: But I have over 20 free gigs on the ubuntu partition!03:06
difektajesus firefox must be retarded.03:06
ellstritium: how will I get in to check03:06
DazeD||laptoplol my apologese03:06
Funraiserbut working on LFS though03:06
netsnipercwillu, i installed the sun jdk 1.5.0_02 using the bin file and included instructions03:06
eyequeuedifekta:  why?03:06
skreetcwillu, My laptop will not install ubuntu :\03:06
drspinMar 10 19:03:15 localhost kernel: NVRM: not using NVAGP, AGPGART is loaded!!03:06
drspinit this a bad thing?03:06
Hell-Razoreyequeue, what does sudo do03:06
tritiumells, ?03:06
cwilluskreet: where does it fail?03:06
error_29bzip2: Compressed file ends unexpectedly  perhaps it is corrupted?  *Possible* reason follows.03:06
eyequeuesudo (8)             - execute a command as another user03:06
leveldocdoes anyone know of any problems with sound? There was a sound issue I understand?03:06
error_29bzip2: Resource temporarily unavailable        Input file = (stdin), output file = (stdout)03:06
BobaFettHell-Razor: sudo runs commands as root03:06
tritiumHell-Razor, man sudo03:06
SiRrUsBobaFett check in the forums I had that problem a while ago cant remember what the problem was03:06
cwilluthat would cause it03:06
eyequeueHell-Razor:  in this case, a root03:06
eyequeueas03:06
ellswell, which file is it in the log files03:06
skreetcwillu, Right when the screen should turn blue and start asking me stuffs, it turns black and does..nothing. :D03:06
Hell-RazorBobaFett, aah thank you03:07
Hell-Razoreyequeue, aah03:07
cwillugive me 2 seconds skreet03:07
Funraisersu = change user, if no user after that, then root by default03:07
BobaFettSiRrUs: The forums? Ok, Ill give it a try, but I couldnt find anuthing in the wiki...thanks!03:07
skreetcwillu, Appreciate it :D03:07
cwillunetsniper:  you didn't use the deb file / apt-get?03:07
SiRrUsyw03:07
eyequeueHell-Razor:  you need root access to modify the overall system, and package installation does just that03:07
netsnipercwillu, where is the deb?03:07
difektait must be retarded because of this "lock" file business.03:07
drspinanyone got Nvu working on warty?03:07
cwilluone sec03:07
netsniperdrspin, i have it working in warty and hoary03:07
eyequeuedifekta:  if you don't shut an app down properly, it can't clean up after itself03:08
drspinnetsniper: do you have to use root03:08
drspin?03:08
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ellstritium: the sounds work when just clicking on icons and such, but not audion in mp3 or movies03:08
difektaclean up after itself?  what is that even suppposed to mean?03:08
tritiumells, yeah, I understand03:08
eyequeuedifekta:  one example, remove its lock files03:08
tritiumdifekta, close files it has open, etc.03:08
difektaa system should behave no differently if the power is shut off.03:08
ellstritium; any ideas03:08
drspindifekta: try logging out and logging back in03:08
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difektawhy would it _have_ lock files?03:08
difektai just deleted the lock file.03:08
eyequeuedifekta:  are you insane?03:08
difektanow it works.03:08
kapputuwhoa need to get 260MB to upgrade to hoary03:08
kapputucool03:08
difektano.03:09
DazeD||laptopso anyone know the deal with wireless-g cards on linux if they work or not?03:09
tritiumells, no03:09
DJ_Jesuscan anyone with some good googlefu point me to a guide on how to install on a system with no cd drive?03:09
eyequeuedifekta:  how can cached writes happen if you pull the power?03:09
difektathere was never a problem like this with any other app i've used besides mozilla.  and it NEVER happened in beos.03:09
difektacached?03:09
DJ_Jesusalthough I DO have a 1gb USB key03:09
ellstritium: what are the codecs for audio for mp3 in linux03:09
netsniperdrspin, http://ubuntuguide.org/#nvu03:09
cwilluftp://neacm.fe.up.pt/pub/ubuntu-java/03:09
ellstritium: I will reinstall them03:09
cwilluwait03:09
difektaeyequeue:  oh, i misread your sentence.03:09
difektawell, they can't.  so what?03:09
drspinnetsniper: I followed that and it works but only from root...03:09
tritiumells, you already did:  gstreamer0.8-mad03:09
difektathat shouldn't make it any harder to start up a program.03:10
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netsniperwhat version?03:10
ellstritium: do you think I need to restart the computer03:10
netsniperty latest 0.8103:10
tritiumells, no03:10
eyequeuedifekta:  i recommend you get out of the habit of improper shutdowns03:10
ellswell shoot03:10
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FunraiserDJ_jesus i think u can install everything via FTP03:10
ellstritium: I dont want to, but I may end up reinstalling the distro.......again03:10
cwilluadd ftp://neacm.fe.up.pt/pub/ubuntu-java/ binary/03:10
cwilluand source/03:10
kapputuok guys I need the names of the guys who said the upgrade to hoary wouldn't be a problem. I would need to shout at u guys if something goes wrong :-)03:11
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cwilluto your repos, then look up sun, and install03:11
DJ_JesusFunraiser, i would hope you could, but I don't know how to :)03:11
eyequeuedifekta:  unless you plan on restricting yourself to only running very simple apps on another os03:11
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tritiumkapputu, be nice03:11
dazedanyone know if wireless g cards work on linux??? id like to know before i install on my laptop?03:11
ellstritium: what controls audio in mp3 and movies.....gstreamer?03:11
tritiumells, it depends on the application03:11
eyequeuedazed:  i'm on one now, heh03:11
kappututritium: oh yeah I was real serious about that03:11
ellstritium: it seems kind of associated03:11
cwillunetsniper:  that should properly install java, then you should have more luck with eclipse03:11
netsnipercwillu, testing now03:11
kapputudazed: I got mine working03:12
ellstritium:with the movies and music03:12
kapputuit's a TI based card03:12
ododazed: it really depends on what chip the card is using03:12
eyequeuedazed:  ipw2200 driver here, centrino03:12
difektathere shouldn't be any need for a "proper" shut down.03:12
nixmanthe only problem i have so far is there is no usb ! my mouse (cheap one) is just not being recognized. this was whithout a flaw in warty03:12
kapputuI use a acx100 driver03:12
tritiumells, gstreamer and xine, for example03:12
cwilluskreet:  it hangs during the character mode install?03:12
ellsokay03:12
tritiumells, e.g., there's a totem-gstreamer, and a totem-xine03:12
Teal`cWTF .. i was playing with the ubuntu live cd for five minutes, i rebooted and the drive windows xp is on is now corrupted.. totally gone.03:12
kapputuwhat does ubuntu use python for?03:12
dazedkapputu and odo and eyequeue: i have a linksys wireless G card and i tried it on an old version of knoppix with an older kernal and no working03:12
ellsI will try totem03:12
tritiumkapputu, lots of things03:12
dazedim wondering if it will work on ubuntu03:12
cwilluTeal`c:  what error?03:12
zenwhenAny Athlon64 users in here?03:12
kapputupython seems to be cool03:13
cwilluskreet?03:13
netsniperyea, i used to be amn64 -- but went back to i38603:13
kapputuI'm just waiting for the Learning Python book to arrive03:13
tritiumkapputu, it's a good scripting, glue, and rapid app. dev. lang.03:13
difektacaching writes is also a bad idea unless you're doing something like compiling03:13
kapputuyeah03:13
zenwhennetsniper, what motherboard?03:13
netsniperamd64 is not tested well enough to use yet...03:13
kapputuI read a lot about it03:13
netsniperHP zv5270us laptop03:13
zenwhenfuck03:13
zenwhenoops03:13
kapputuBruce Eckel, Guido interviews03:13
eyequeuekapputu:  you may want to sudo apt-get install diveintopython03:13
FunraiserDJ_Jesus I know it's possible for sure i've done it for mandrake, but it wasn't easy03:13
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skreetcwillu, That was awesome.03:13
netsnipereckel's book is good03:13
cwillu?03:14
cwillu:p03:14
skreetcwillu, Yes, right before the actual install process03:14
nixmandarn i think my keyboard was installed as french !03:14
kapputuhis book?03:14
zenwhenI need a recommendation for an athlon64 motherboard for linux and cant find ANYTHING.03:14
cwilluhow many menu's in?03:14
tritiumeven the tutorial and reference manual in python-docs are good03:14
kapputuis it complete?03:14
skreetcwillu, I tried to close music player because it had stopped loading song from my smb share and it didnt like that every much..03:14
DJ_JesusFunraiser, :/03:14
skreetcwillu, But thats another less important issue03:14
DJ_Jesushow about a way to put it on my 1gb flash key and install from that to my computer03:14
cwillui.e., during choice of language/country/timezone?03:14
dazedeyequeue: i have a mobile AMD Athalon XP 1400+ with a wireless G by linksys you think itll work on ubuntu and if so what would i have to do?03:14
DarthFrogzenwhen: the Asus amd64 motherboard is good.03:15
eyequeuedazed:  i'm not sure which chipset that uses, and which driver would be needed03:15
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zenwhenDarthFrog, I have read about problems with not only the hardware clock but the networking.03:15
nixmanany one can help me whith my usb woes ?03:15
zenwhenIn Linux.03:15
kapputudamn I forgot that I downloaded that book03:15
Hell-Razorhey guys how do i fix this stupid system beep my computer does everytime i hit tab to view what my options are?03:15
kapputuI like his TIJ03:15
eyequeuedazed:  on the wireless side i mean.  the cpu is supported just fine03:15
FunraiserDJ_Jesus it should be possible too03:15
error_29heh heh, watching the screen during install is like seeing an ad for python, man, that's a lot of files03:15
DarthFrogzenwhen: I have one running a mail server.  Works fine.03:15
cwilluskreet?03:15
skreetcwillu, Yes?03:16
nixmani have a laptop with a touchpad that seems to be working. but i pprefer the usb mouse03:16
kapputucomputer -> desktop preferences -> sound ?03:16
tritiumHell-Razor, in gnome-terminal?03:16
zenwhenDarthFrog, K8N?03:16
cwilluskreet: in the language selection?03:16
dazedeyequeue: well all i would need to do is find what driver i need and install it with ndiswrapper correct? and it should start working?03:16
kapputuuncheck sound for events03:16
Hell-Razortritium: i think its any term03:16
cwilluor around then?03:16
skreetcwillu, I'm not sure, it's before the blue screen, after the kernel loading etc, etc.03:16
netsniper"checking for corrupt government ... OK"03:16
tritiumHell-Razor, in gnome-terminal, you can edit the profile, and uncheck the "Terminal bell"03:16
skreetcwillu, I dont actually get to *see* the install process, my laptop blacks out.03:16
drspinIs this bad:03:16
drspinMar 10 19:03:16 localhost kernel: NVRM: not using NVAGP, AGPGART is loaded!!03:16
skreetcwillu, Couldent tell you if it is confinuing or crashing..03:16
eyequeuedazed:  presuming there's a driver supporting it, that's one route, better would be one that is in the linux kernel itself, if you can find that03:16
cwilluhave you tried the noapic nolapic pci=nodma type modes?03:16
cwilluhmm03:17
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skreetcwillu, The first two, yes, I will try pci-nodma n ow.03:17
cwilluthere's also a video mode switch you might want to try03:17
Hell-Razortritium, and how would i do that03:17
FunraiserDJ_Jesus u have no cd-rom or it won't boot?03:17
skreetcwillu,  Do you know what it is?03:17
eyequeuenetsniper:  lol, who wrote that Makefile? :)03:17
tritiumHell-Razor, Edit->Profiles03:17
skreetcwillu, It's asking for kernel params now.03:17
cwilluhit f5 when you boot I think, it'll list the options03:17
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dazedeyequeue: what do u mean by one that is in the linux kernel itself .. a driver thats already in the linux kernel that can support it? how would i find it?03:17
FunraiserDJ_Jesus i mean no cd player or it won't boot?03:17
phantomdataHmmm.  Is there a way to view movies with Ubuntu?03:17
skreetcwillu, The first thing I noticed was that the install image on the isolinux CD shows up corrupted.03:17
kapputua quick question on partitions03:17
Teal`cthe ubuntu livecd is pretty neat but the lack of media support in the totem media player is, well,. very lacking.03:17
Hell-Razortritium: cough....wtf are you talking about03:17
Teal`conly seems to play ogg files03:17
netsnipereyequeue, i forget which package it is from -- but when i ran gentoo i always loved seeing it go by...03:17
kapputuI managed to screw up the partition on my desktop03:17
cwilluhmm... are you sure the cd is good/03:18
cwillu?03:18
skreetcwillu, Hm it says "Laptops with screen display problems..03:18
cwilluskreet:  might want to try burning another03:18
cwilluas well03:18
skreetcwillu, Just usted it to load my desktop.03:18
tritiumHell-Razor, gnome-terminal, as I said03:18
kapputuhow do I partition my hard disk while installing ubuntu03:18
skreetcwillu, After my other disc got scratched up too much :D03:18
eyequeuedazed:  well, the ipw2200 and acx100 drivers mentioned above are actually kernel modules03:18
cwillu:p03:18
kapputuit just lists my hard disk03:18
cwillunetsniper:  any luck?03:18
Hell-Razortritium, wheres edit03:18
eyequeuedazed:  if there's such for your card, i recommend that over ndiswrapper03:18
skreetcwillu, Booting with both noapic's and vga= line..03:18
netsniperjust finished downloadng that deb03:18
tritiumHell-Razor, in the menu bar03:18
skreetcwillu, AWESOME, Thanks a bunch buddy :D03:18
cwilluworkin?03:18
cwillusweet03:19
dazedok thanks03:19
skreetcwillu,  Yep :D03:19
nixmanhow does one change the keyboard setting it looks like it is mapped to a french keyb when i have a normal english one ?03:19
skreetcwillu, Good stuff. Thanks03:19
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cwilludon't select "canada" :)03:19
cwilluor, under the prefs03:19
nixmancwillu: darn !03:19
drspinanyone know a good file organizer/id3 editor03:19
cwilluchange it to us layout03:19
dazednow my processor speed is unusually underclocked...why is this on my laptop its runnin 491mhz when its a 1.5 ghz thats very awkward03:19
DarthFrogdrspin: Easytag03:19
skreetdazed, What kind of laptop?03:19
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nixmancwillu: i have to reinstall .. no way i can change it ?03:19
cwillujust kidding :)03:19
kapputuany help on partitioning?03:19
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cwillunixman:  Preferences | keyboard03:20
dazedHP pavillion ze 1`21003:20
Funraiserkapputu u can just follow the default installation03:20
kapputudefault??03:20
tritiumdazed, power management03:20
cwillunixman:  layouts | change Selected layouts to U.S. English, and hit the default tab, delete the other one03:20
skreetdazed, What type of processor, it's probably jsut speedstepping.03:20
kapputuIt asks me to partition the entire hard disk03:20
Funraiser(unless u want to separate /home and /03:20
Funraiser)03:20
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kapputuI mean it just shows up my hard disk03:20
dazedAMD athalon XP 1400+ mobile skreet03:20
cwillunixman:  and change the keyboard model to generic03:20
dazedtritium: what do u mean power management03:21
kapputuI don't get any option to choose my partition where it'll be mounted03:21
nixmancwillu: thanks03:21
skreetdazed, Yea it's just clocking down to save power.03:21
dazedi cant control processor from power management03:21
cwillunixman: no problem03:21
tritiumdazed, what skreet said03:21
dazedoh really?03:21
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dazedbut does it go back up when i need it?03:21
ellstritium: again you saved the day03:21
tritiumyes03:21
tritiumells, what did I do?03:21
skreetdazed, It should.03:21
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ellsI installed the gstreamer deal03:22
ellsrestarted and poof03:22
tritiumells, :)  good deal03:22
tritiumexcellent03:22
ellsthanks again03:22
tritiumsure03:22
dazedthats prolly why when i changed it from max power to always on that it stopped random shut downs03:22
ellsI need to send you an xmas card03:22
tritiumgood job, ells03:22
dazedit shut down from overheating03:22
ellstanks, tanks alot03:22
dazedand i guess that fixed it03:22
cwillucan anybody troubleshoot my hands?03:22
tritiumheh, no need, ells ;)03:22
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ellsyou know the deal03:22
cwilluI've got burning on top, numb at the tips and ache on the bottom03:22
ellstritium: I had a samba question03:22
cwillumost of the way up to my elbow03:22
geppyI'm trying to create a link, but I keep getting "Operation not permitted", regardless of whether I'm user or root03:23
tritiumells, okay, but I'm not running samba...03:23
ellstritium: I am going to be connecting from schoo03:23
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ellsis there anything special I need to do with the ip03:23
geppyCan anyone help me with making a link under Ubuntu?03:23
tritiumells, not sure I know what you mean03:24
geppyI've no idea why this "Operation not permitted" error keeps popping up.03:24
ellstritium: well, do I need the actual ip from the school03:24
ellsI am on a wireless network03:24
tritiumells, at school, or home?03:24
ellswell, both actually03:24
tritiumells, you might need to enable port forwarding on your wireless router03:25
ellstritium: will I need the school ip to connect here at home03:25
drspinthanks - easytag is going to work03:25
ellstritium: the tech guys at dlink were clueless03:25
ellsI was able to open a port though03:25
ellstritium: here at home, in the network, it is easy03:26
leveldocdoes anyone else have problems starting thunderbird under hoary?03:26
tritiumells, I don't know enough about connecting to samba servers from remote locations03:26
geppyWhy does link not work under Ubuntu?03:26
ellswell, are you connecting remotely03:26
geppyDoes _anyone_ in here know how to get link to work?03:26
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tritiumells, I don't have a samba server ;)03:26
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leveldocgeppy: what do you mean?03:26
Bog_hello03:26
ellstritium: are you running any kind of server03:26
leveldocwhich link where to03:26
leveldocwhat are you trying to link?03:27
tritiumells, just apache2 and gnump3d03:27
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ellscan either one connect to windows from linux03:27
geppyleveldoc:  Just any kind of symbolic link isn't working for me, but specifically, I'm trying to make a link from /usr/src/linux to /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.11-103:27
cwillumy arms feel like burning03:27
tritiumells, apache is just a webserver, gnump3d is my music server03:27
Bog_anyone from the security team here?03:27
ellsnice03:27
leveldocgeppy: please do a "ls -d /usr/src/linux"03:28
tritiumells, I can reach those servers from any O.S.03:28
ellstritium: I want to connect to my computer from school03:28
leveldocsorry ls -ld03:28
tritiumells, I understand03:28
ellstritium, cool03:28
ellswill apached work for what i need03:28
cwilluells:  look at vnc03:28
tritiumells, but like I said, I'm not familiar with samba03:28
netsnipercwillu, it seems to have worked okay, but why doesn't Hoary have it in Universe?03:28
tritiumells, connect in what way?03:28
netsniperit seems that the sun JDK is often used03:28
cwilluit's technically not a legal download03:29
tritiumells, what do you need to be able to do?03:29
ellstritium: naw, access to files03:29
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geppyleveldoc: No such file or directory03:29
ellstritium: pull them across ya know03:29
tritiumells, if you just need files, why not openssh-server?03:29
cwillui.e., nobody is liscenced to provide anything other than the exact binary  sun provides03:29
haydencan i ask a question about C here03:29
netsniperright, but multivers includes "illegal" dl rights?03:29
ellstritium: I am even less familiar with that03:29
cwilluno, it includes patent encumbered03:29
cafuegoillegal?03:29
ellstritium: can you walk me thru it03:29
leveldocgeppy: basically, /usr/src/linux should as the symbolic link point to /usr/src/linux-2.6.whatever, right?03:29
tritiumells, it provides a ssh server, so you can ssh and sftp into your machine03:30
geppyleveldoc: But even if I'm in my home directory, and I try to create a link from 'asdf' to 'Desktop', I still get "Operation not permitted"03:30
geppyleveldoc: Right.03:30
leveldocok03:30
tritiumells, sudo apt-get install openssh-server03:30
Funraiserdownloading a file @ 90KB/sec...now we're talkin'!03:30
Funraiser(torrent)03:30
leveldocgeppy: please tell me the exact command you're using03:30
cafuegotritium: 'apt-get install ssh' includes an ssh and sftp server.03:30
geppyleveldoc: sudo link /usr/src/linux /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.11-103:30
tritiumcafuego, yes, and a client as well03:31
cwilluokay 2.6.11 doesn't work for me :)03:31
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geppycwillu:  If you use the 'noinotify03:31
tritiumit just depends on openssh-server and -client03:31
geppy cwillu 'noinotify' option on boot, it might =)03:31
leveldocgeppy: try this: "sudo ln -s /usr/src/linux /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.11-1"03:31
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cwilluit crashes immediately when the desktop comes up03:31
ikamahello03:31
SiRrUscwillu didnt for me either03:31
cwillubut then again, 2.6.10 and 2.6.8 haven't been working for me either :p03:32
haydenhow can i check string equivalency in C?03:32
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ikamai ve fount the problem with usb bluetooth dongle03:32
cafuegohayden: strstr03:32
kapputustrcmp03:32
cwillu_wrong_ forum though :p03:32
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cafuegosorry, yes strcmp (see also stricmp)03:32
haydenok thanks03:32
ikamaudev doesnt makes the device nodes03:32
tritiumthanks for pointing it out, though, cafuego.  You're right, the client would be handy too03:32
cafuegodamn php syntax. strcasecmp03:32
leveldocgeppy: did it work?03:33
geppyleveldoc:  Oddly, that created the 'linux' link in /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.11-1 =/03:33
guest_anyone know anything about yahoo messenger for ubuntu i don't like the idea of non-free software on my boxes, but i run an internet cafe and people are so damn dependent on yahoo... help03:33
geppyguest_:  Try GAIM03:33
guest_we already use and love gaim03:33
kapputuyes ymessenger for linux works good but without support for webcam n stuff03:33
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kapputugaim is cool03:33
cafuegoIf gaim won't work, I think jabber supports everything under the sun03:33
geppyguest_:  I don't think that the official Yahoo client has any features that GAIM has03:33
kapputuwhat do ppl use to have webcam support?03:34
cwilluguest_:  gaim works with icq, yahoo, msn, aol, irc, etc...03:34
geppyerm, hasn't03:34
kapputuI currently have a webcam server to replace03:34
leveldocgeppy: ok, other way around. :-) Syntax is: ln -s [target]  directory03:34
tritiumcafuego, I haven't seen you around in some time.  How have you been?03:34
guest_will gaim do webcams03:34
tritiumguest_, no03:34
Funraisernope03:34
geppyleveldoc: I was using that syntax =/03:34
kapputugnomemeeting interfaces with yahoo?03:35
kapputuyahoo uses a closed protocol right?03:35
Funraiserdon't think so03:35
geppyleveldoc:  'sudo ln -s /usr/src/linux /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.11-1'03:35
cafuegotritium: Busily avoiding work, mainly.03:35
kapputuI wish I could spend more time with ubuntu03:35
Funraiseri mean gnomemeeting with yahoo don't work03:35
tritiumcafuego, :)03:35
leveldocgeppy: so if you're in /usr/src and you have that linux-headers-2.6.11-1 directory there, enter ln -s linux-headers-2.6.11-1 linux03:35
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geppyleveldoc:  Or, in /usr/src, 'sudo ln -s linux linux-headers-2.6.11-103:36
leveldocgeppy: yes03:36
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cwilluhmm03:36
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geppyleveldoc:  Oh, my mistake!03:36
geppyleveldoc:  Much thanks! =D03:36
Funraiserguest_ for video u are kind of screwed03:36
leveldocgeppy: np03:36
ikamaanybody has solved problem with udev doesn't creates rfcomm03:36
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kapputuset up a webcam server03:36
kapputuit's damn easy03:37
dazedgeppy: what will that do for you?03:37
guest_we have a webcam server that runs unix03:37
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guest_im talking about people being able to see other personal webcams03:37
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geppydazed:  Compiling my nvidia module?03:38
geppydazed:  I have the module installed for 2.6.10-4, and I'd rather build it for 2.6.11 before I get into X than after03:38
Funraiserguest_ i mean for webcams on ubuntu exept gnomemeeting i think nothing works, (to the limited extend of my knowledge on this)03:38
guest_thanks all03:38
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netsniperwhy nvidia sucks for one reason: driver 6629 fails to work with WXGA laptop widescreens, and 6111 doesn't work in kernels >=2.6.9!!!  Wtf should people that have widescreen lappys and 2.6.10 hoary kernel do?03:39
Funraiseramsn doesn't have webcam options for instance03:39
dazedgeppy: lol i have no idea what u are talking about i was just wondering what u were doing all this for sounds like some tough stuff03:39
geppydazed:  Oh, haha. =)03:40
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Funraiserthey have to include webcams for amsn really quick03:40
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projectmayhemhey guys anyone here use limewire? i'm having a little bit of trouble...03:40
_ominaeis there a dvd iso for ubuntu?03:40
geppyprojectmayhem: Does your Java JVM work?03:40
netsniperi have it going hee03:40
geppy_ominae: I think you'll need to build one using Jigdo03:40
netsniperlimewire kinda sucks though03:40
geppynetsniper: That's preference.03:41
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_ominaegerppy: like debian huh?03:41
netsniperhehe, i recommned newsgroups03:41
projectmayhemgeppy yeah, it starts up fine but it hangs up when i try to set my downloads folder...03:41
geppy_ominae: Yes, like Debian =)03:41
geppyprojectmayhem: Hmm, are you doing anything odd with your downloads folder?03:41
geppyprojectmayhem: Try leaving it as default? =P03:42
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projectmayhemhmm...03:42
projectmayhemi guess03:42
eb0xafter i have done the apt-get distupdate or w/e the command was03:43
Funraiserguest_ all u can do is use Gaim and explain that it's yahoo messenger compatible...03:43
eb0xdo i just restart?03:43
projectmayhemi left it on default and it did the same thing... :-/03:43
geppyprojectmayhem:  =/03:43
Funraiserguest_ webcams will work soon on gaim i bet03:43
geppyFunraiser:  I highly doubt it.03:44
Funraiserwhy not?03:44
dazedlol03:44
projectmayhemgeppy exactly my sentiments... the LimeWire loading screen takes forever too... its on "Loading Messages" for a while now03:44
Funraisereverything is possible03:44
eb0xafter i have done the apt-get distupdate or w/e the command was03:44
eb0xdo i just restart?03:44
dazedapt-get dist-upgrade *?03:45
geppyprojectmayhem:  Try contacting the people who built it?  I wouldn't know of anything else to try, other than google03:45
eb0xYes03:45
tritiumwhat ever happened to the gaim_vv project?03:45
dazedand it did its thing?03:45
eb0xyes03:45
dazedur good to go03:45
projectmayhemok thanks geppy03:45
eb0xso restart?03:45
dazedno need03:46
geppyprojectmayhem:  No problem, sorry that I couldn't help.03:46
Funraiserobviously, gaim's objective is to reach as many people as possible, well they gonna have to find a way to make webcams works then03:46
projectmayhemgeppy does apt-get have gtk-gnutella? that would help if you knew that03:46
geppyFunraiser:  Well, they probably aren't going, regardless.03:46
geppyprojectmayhem: I believe so. =)03:46
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Funraiserwe will see03:46
eb0x*** Could not run GTK+ test program, checking why...03:46
eb0x*** The test program failed to compile or link. See the file config.log for the03:46
eb0x*** exact error that occurred. This usually means GTK+ is incorrectly installed.03:46
eb0xconfigure: error:03:46
eb0x*** GTK+ 2.0 is required to build Gaim; please make sure you have the GTK+03:46
projectmayhemthx a bunch03:46
eb0x*** development headers installed. The latest version of GTK+ is03:46
geppyprojectmayhem: If not, there is amule =)03:47
eb0x*** always available at http://www.gtk.org/.03:47
eb0xSomeone said that hoary would have GTK+ 2.003:47
projectmayhemyeah amule won't connect to a server though03:47
eb0xAnd yet I still cannot install this program ;/03:47
projectmayhemhoary doesn't have gtk 2.0?03:47
projectmayhemi mean warty*03:47
tritiumeb0x, i told you that Warty has gtk 2.003:47
Funraiseramule works fine here03:47
tritiumseveral times03:47
eb0xwell it didnt03:47
eb0xbecause it said that on warty.03:47
eb0xand it still says that now that i have upgraded03:47
tritiumeb0x, you need to istall the -dev library if you want to compile03:47
Funraiser(but bittorent ROCKS)03:47
Funraiserbram rulezz03:48
projectmayhemfunraiser my ports won't open with bittorrent don't ask me why...03:48
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projectmayhemfunraiser i open my ports to use azureus and i never get a good signal..i always get like 1 kb max03:48
thunter77how about getting latest version of firefox on warty.... can use use synaptic to do it and if so what about the no root password problem?03:48
Funraiserprojectmayhem are u familiar with portforwarding?03:48
tritiumeb0x, you need libgtk2.0-dev03:49
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tritiumeb0x, and that was also available in Warty, as I told you03:49
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projectmayhemfunraiser a little... i've looked it up how to do it on google and followed all the directions03:49
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Funraiserprojectmayhem are u behind a NAT?03:49
projectmayhemfunraiser NAT?03:49
ikamaanybody has also probs with udev and usb bluetooth dongle (rfcomm is not created)03:49
eb0xtritium: Which -dev thing do I need?03:50
projectmayhemFunraiser i'll be right back but hold that thought... g2 reboot gnome03:50
eb0xThere are a bunch of gtk things03:50
curatorAnyone know what might cause a "Failed to create filesystem" when doing an install?  Happens after partitioning regardless of which fs I choose.03:50
Funraiserok03:50
tritiumeb0x, see my last message to you03:50
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tritiumeb0x,  libgtk2.0-dev03:50
dazedcurator are u trying to install on NTFS?03:50
tritiumeb0x, that's in both Warty and Hoary.  You didn't have to upgrade just for that03:50
thunter77hi people... anybody have a clue on how about getting latest version of firefox on warty.... can you use synaptic to do it and if so what about the no root password problem?03:51
curatorI have NTFS on hda1, created new partition hda2 and tried to format as ext3.03:51
curatorWith swap on hda3.03:51
goldfishthunter77: the pass is your login password03:51
candrewshey all, quick question: I have a dothan laptop, and whenever I boot from the live cd, i get Grub stage 1.5, then "Error 21" any alternative cd images i can try? will this affect me if i install it on my HDD?03:51
dazedand it said failed to create file system??03:51
dazedon a fresh partition?03:51
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curatorYeah.  And if I use the livecd to format the file system and try to just mount it instead, it tells me errors were detected.03:51
dazedawkward...03:52
Funraiserprojectmayhem is your PC part of a LAN ?03:52
dazedvery...03:52
thunter77I am used to free debian way of thinking... apt-get anything03:52
projectmayhemFunraiser yeah03:52
curatorI must be doing something stupid.  :)03:52
Funraisersee that's the problem03:52
dazedi cant think of what it is03:52
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Funraiserso u have a router somewhere?03:52
projectmayhemfunraiser i have a static IP though, is my router still blocking it?03:52
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Funraiseru router doesn't know where to send all that03:53
Funraiserwhen u use bittorrent03:53
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projectmayhemfunraiser can i tell my router where to send it?03:53
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Funraiseryes03:53
ShadowRagewhat country is ubuntu based out of?03:53
Funraiserthat's called portforwarding03:53
ShadowRageif the US, what state03:53
error_29South Africa, i think.03:53
desrtestonia03:53
candrewsgrub error 21? help? :-)03:53
Funraiserjust forward one port03:53
curatorIf I switch to another console away from the install and ls in /dev, I don't see the hda* entries there.  Is that normal?03:53
Funraiserto your IP on the LAN (it starts by 192.168 etc03:54
hou5tonok ... used Outport to get calendar and contacts into Evolution ... seemed to work pretty well ... but for some reason the contacts are not visible when addresing an email03:54
hou5tonand help?03:54
ShadowRagedesrt: really?03:54
hou5ton*any*03:54
desrtShadowRage; no :)03:54
projectmayhemfunraiser how do i double check my IP address?03:54
ShadowRagereally, what country?03:54
Funraiserand it azureus tell it which port it is03:54
projectmayhemi know the first part is 192.168.1.something03:54
ikamaerror_29,  could you helpme pleeeease?03:55
eyequeueprojectmayhem:  ifconfig03:55
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projectmayhemwhat port should i open?03:55
Funraiserprojectmayhem we are talking about your IP adress on the LAN, not the one seen from the outside03:55
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Funraiseru can pick anyone u want to in the 50000 range03:55
goldfishprojectmayhem: port 6881 for azureus03:56
projectmayhemfunraiser so which one is that on ifconfig list?03:56
tritiuminet addr:03:56
Funraiserit starts by 192.168.something03:56
dazedits the local ip03:56
projectmayhemfunraiser ok its inet addr not bcast03:56
Funraiserhow many PC are there in your LAN03:56
Funraiser?03:56
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projectmayhem2 in actuality, but my one computer is a dual boot so the router sees three03:57
ponds_Installed Hoary preview from cd -> Gnome won't start, gdm works fine, other WMs work fine, anyone seen this?03:57
thunter77per www.distrowatch.com isle of man03:57
hou5tontritium:   hey ... got Outport and got the calendar and contacts in Evolution.... and can veiw each of them ... except when I am addressing an email .. then the contacts don't show up???03:57
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hou5tonany ideas?03:57
geppy|foodingAnyone in here know about nvidia/2.6.11?03:57
Funraisernetwork settings (here in ubuntu) hosts , u see your ip number03:57
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tritiumhou5ton, what do you mean they don't show up?03:58
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hou5tontritium:   when you are addressing an email, and click on the TO button, they aren't there.03:58
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tritiumhou5ton, you have the right address book selected?03:58
hou5tontritium: there's only one there03:58
tritiumhou5ton, but your contact list shows them?03:59
Funraiserprojectmayhem: computer/system configuration/networking/hosts03:59
ikamaudev doesn' creates nodes for rfcomm (bluetooth)03:59
hou5tontritium:   hep03:59
ikamawhy03:59
hou5tonyep03:59
tritiumhou5ton, don't know...03:59
ikamait seems all is configured ok03:59
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sproingiehm why cant i find a kernel-source package for 2.6.11?04:00
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Funraiserand then 192.168.bla bla...u go to your router settings and say for 50134 tcp "your ip here" 50134 tcp (or something like that depending on router config)04:00
sal002Hello!04:00
dazedi live in the blazeabego04:00
sproingielatest i can see is for 2.6.904:00
Funraiserand then 192.168.bla bla...u go to your router settings and say for 50134 tcp "your ip here" 50134 tcp (or something like that depending on router config)04:00
ikamasal002, hello04:00
sal002Anyone have Ubunut get through stage 1, reboot and then just come up with root prompt?04:00
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Funraisermy bad04:01
projectmayhemfunraiser is it just tcp or both? i thought azureus just said to open both ports...04:01
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Funraiserjust tcp04:01
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sal002ikama, hello04:01
Funraiserboth tcp and udp u mean?04:01
Gfaulthow custom ubuntu ?04:01
projectmayhemfunraiser yeah04:01
Funraiseri did just tcp and it works well...pretty fast04:01
projectmayhemfunraiser ok04:02
Gfaulthow custom ubuntu-live ?04:02
nixmandarn my usb mouse has light until the hotplug starts up. i see USB HC TakeOver failed04:02
sal002I am now using dselect to get the rest of the packages, but isn't warty supposed to install X and all that?04:02
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Funraiser67KB/sec as we speak, on one file only04:02
ikamasal002, do you know something about udev04:02
sal002udev?04:02
DazeD||laptopfunraiser did u do all that to get bittorrents to dl fast?04:02
DazeD||laptoplol04:02
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ikamayes, the automatik device node creating system04:03
sproingiei got 400KB/sec from the torrent04:03
Funraiserall that?04:03
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DazeD||laptopwhy was it going slow cuz it had to process through your router longer ?04:03
DazeD||laptopcuz my torrents go slow aswell04:04
sal002No - sorryikama: sorry - I am new to ubuntu04:04
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Funraiserwhat is "slow"?04:04
goldfishyou gotta open ports for it04:04
DazeD||laptop5kb04:04
DazeD||laptop604:04
txzDagaZ, do you have the ports forwarded to you machine04:04
ikamaok04:04
DazeD||laptop20 max04:04
DazeD||laptopon a cable conn04:04
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sproingieif you're not accepting requests, you'll only dl from seeders04:05
Funraisersproingie it depends on your upspeed, + depends kind of files downloading04:05
sproingiewhich makes it slow04:05
ponds_has anyone successfully installed off the hoary preview iso?04:05
ponds_for x8604:05
projectmayhemponds i ran live cd04:05
DazeD||laptopwell i just started with bittorrents so im new to all of it and it just goes really slow04:05
SiRrUsponds_ yes sir works great04:05
sproingiei did, but for amd6404:05
DazeD||laptopso i was wondering how to make it go fast04:05
ponds_hrm, everything seemed to work for me except gnome will not start04:06
goldfishFunraiser: where u get torrents from ?04:06
sproingiei got comparable speeds just downloading it from a .edu mirror04:06
Funraisererrr...is it ok to give torrent sites here?04:06
sproingieedu mirrors usually have big bandwidth04:06
DazeD||laptopsprongie: so if  i accept requests then ill dl faster...how do i accept requests?04:06
goldfishFunraiser: pm04:06
bryanDazeD||laptop:  what kinda torrent are you downloading04:06
projectmayhemponds sounds like you should try to reinstall... have you rebooted gnome once or twice?04:06
sal002ikama: I don't even know how to complete the install ;P04:06
bryanhow many seeds are there04:06
DazeD||laptopmusic ... moies04:06
bryanare you connectable?04:06
DazeD||laptopmovies*04:06
bryanor are you in passive04:07
ponds_projectmayhem: i havent rebooted any, ive tried to start gnome multiple times though04:07
DazeD||laptopnot many seeds usually sometimse theres a lot04:07
DazeD||laptopi duno how to be either bryan04:07
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SiRrUsponds_ try rebooting04:07
ponds_k, brb04:07
bryanwell, if you have a router, you'll need to forward the ports to your local ip address04:07
projectmayhemponds just try to reinstall... did you check the installation log for any errors? that's the best i can give you...04:07
projectmayhemto the local ip address or the machines ip address?04:07
bryanand if you've got a software firewall you need to allow connections on the specific ports04:07
error_29I'm downloading the hoary torrent now, to install on another partition; what should I use (in hoary) to burn the disk?04:07
bryanyour machines local ip04:07
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SiRrUserror_29 graveman works good04:08
sproingiegaaah emacs defaults are hideous04:08
projectmayhembryan ok, i have a router and my machines ip is 192.168.1.30 so i opened port 50134 on that... should that work?04:08
DazeD||laptopbryan how i go about that...the machine doing the torrents is a windows machine mind you04:08
DazeD||laptoptheres no firewall...its an open wireless hub04:08
sproingiexemacs has sensible defaults ... but is so slow these days04:08
DazeD||laptopbryan what should i do?04:09
Funraiserprojectmayhem u have to set that port on azureus now04:09
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error_29Thanks SiRuUs, I'll try it.04:09
projectmayhemok but otherwise i should be good04:09
projectmayhemthanks guys04:09
NeoChaosXcrud04:09
Funraiseryes04:09
NeoChaosXI hate how the gxine plugin has to keep buffering a file04:10
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Funraiserwhen u run the wizard on azureus u can test your port04:10
pondsk, im embarassed now, thanks SiRrUs and projectmayhem04:10
Funraiserif it says it's ok then...it's ok04:10
SiRrUsponds lol np works ok now?04:10
pondsyeah :)04:10
SiRrUsgood stuff04:10
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NeoChaosXshouldn't gxine have the capability to keep buffering while it's playing?04:11
Funraisergoldfish u got the second link?04:11
shadeofgreyokay guys -- how do i copy all the .ttf files in font:/// (nautilus) to my ~/.fonts folder using nautilus04:11
goldfishyeah thanks Funraiser04:11
error_29NeoChaosXWhat is gxine, as opposed to simply xine?04:11
NeoChaosXi believe gxine is a gnome front end for xine04:11
NeoChaosXnot completely sure04:12
error_29I had xine running before, fine on its own04:12
jdubtotem-xine is the most elite gnome frontend for xine, though :)04:12
NeoChaosXI see04:12
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SiRrUsjdub it was worth the wait04:12
error_29I'm not clear about what "front-ends" are for, actually--04:12
error_29xine looks great on its own, what does a front-end do?04:13
DazeD||laptopFunraiser: pm04:13
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eyequeueuser interface?04:13
goldfishuser end04:13
MartokHey, how do I make oggs play by hovering my mouse over them?04:13
shadeofgreywhat is xine?04:13
NeoChaosXvideo player04:13
shadeofgreyahhh04:14
error_29I'd rather have totem acting/looking like xine, than the reverse, personally.04:14
NeoChaosXwhat's the best mozila plugin to use with totem-xine?04:14
shadeofgreyanybody have an answer to my font problem?04:14
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farruinnshadeofgrey: why do you need to do that?04:14
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jduberror_29: totem-xine integrates very nicely into gnome04:14
jduberror_29: not just look'n'feel04:14
MartokHey, how do I make oggs play by hovering my mouse over them?04:14
farruinnshadeofgrey: I'm pretty sure that if you add fonts to fonts:/// they are put in .fonts04:15
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farruinnshadeofgrey: I don't see the need to duplicate your fonts...04:15
repeteshadeofgrey: what is your problem with fonts?  Sorry, I missed it...04:15
sal002is there a way to run level 2 of the install from the command line?04:16
shadeofgreyfarruinn:  because i just paid $60 to register my fav. text editor (editpad) and apparently it doesnt link with the regular fontsfolder04:16
MartokHey, how do I make oggs play by hovering my mouse over them?04:16
shadeofgreyand its VERY hasrd to write 300 pages of manuscript using the base ubuntu fonts04:16
shadeofgreyreally all i want is for editpad to be able to use "Day Roman" ...  idont care about any of the others really04:16
eyequeuehow does a font effect writing?04:17
farruinnshadeofgrey: hm, I still don't think copying the fonts to ~/.fonts is the right solutoin, but have you tried opening two nautilus windows?04:17
shadeofgreyand i would assume that i have to put it in the ~/.fonts area for my user04:17
eyequeueisn't a font eye candy?04:17
MartokHey, how do I make oggs play by hovering my mouse over them?04:17
farruinnMartok: that is _not_ the way to get help here04:17
farruinnwe heard you the last five times04:18
MartokWhat's the way to get help?04:18
shadeofgreyokay well...  ive already moved all the ttfs into font:///  -- editpad isnt showing any of the ones i copied in its list of availables.  butevery other word processor on disk can see them... theres over 900 in all04:18
MartokI just figured nobody saw what I was typing.04:18
shadeofgreybelieve us.  we see you04:19
error_29Hmm, well, the thing is jdub, i kind of like less "integrated" stuff some times; hard to explain, but after a while apps looking so uniform gets tiring04:19
farruinnMartok: ask your question, if someone knows the answer they'll give you an answer, but please wait at least 10 or 15 minutes before repeating the question04:19
eyequeueshadeofgrey:  sounds lke yur commercial app isn't confured to look in standard places?04:19
bryan_i see, and i have no idea04:19
MartokI guess nobody knows how to help me then.04:19
shadeofgreyits editpad pro04:19
eyequeueshadeofgrey:  what docs come with it for that price?04:19
MartokThanks04:19
shadeofgreymartok:  www.ubuntuguide.org is a good place to start04:19
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MartokUbuntu guide does have my problem.04:20
eyequeueshadeofgrey:  does the man page say where it looks?04:20
shadeofgreynope04:20
MartokDoesn't*04:20
shadeofgreylemme try google one more time04:20
Funraiserin spain torrents are legal ----> ain't spanish cool people ?04:20
eyequeueshadeofgrey:  strace perhaps04:20
farruinnMartok: honestly I've never heard of anything like that before04:21
goldfishshadeofgrey: u want to move them all?04:21
goldfishshadeofgrey: that's all u want to do?04:21
shadeofgreygoldfish:  no.  just one04:21
eyequeueFunraiser:  legal here too04:21
goldfishk04:21
Funraiserwhere ?04:21
eyequeueFunraiser:  us04:21
dazedillegal torrents are out there04:21
Martokfarruinn: In Ubuntu I can play Mp3s and Wavs by hovering my mouse over the icons. Just not oggs.04:21
jduberror_29: it's not just the look'n'feel :)04:21
MartokIt's weird.04:21
dazedbut torrents are legal04:21
eyequeueFunraiser:  you can d/l a nuber of linux distros that way04:21
goldfishthey are04:21
shadeofgreygoldfish:  are you an editpad pro user?04:22
farruinnMartok: do you hear the entire song or is it some sort of "preview"?04:22
goldfishshadeofgrey: nope04:22
MartokThe entire song.04:22
Funraiseryeah well let's say 99% of torrents are illegal04:22
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farruinnshadeofgrey: what do you have in ~/.fonts now?04:22
dazedjust the ones u think that would be illegal like ones where ud usually have to pay for it those are illegal04:22
dazedlol yeah funraiser04:22
goldfishshadeofgrey: I just saw your all files from one folder to another question04:22
shadeofgreyfarruinn:  i dont know how to look in the  /.fonts folder04:22
shadeofgreywith terminal04:23
shadeofgrey?04:23
eyequeueFunraiser:  quess i've never been exposed to those04:23
repeteMartok: not sure I know in which context you are speaking...04:23
farruinnshadeofgrey: cd ~ ; ls .fonts04:23
Funraiserreally04:23
dazedalright all well time to head down to the buddies house and abuse his wireless connection hahah04:23
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eyequeueshadeofgrey:  ls -la ~/.fonts/04:23
repeteMartok: in Nautilus?  Like getting a preview?04:23
Funraisereyequeue...well i haven't either!04:23
Martokrepete: Yeah, but it plays the whole song.04:23
eyequeueFunraiser:  heh04:23
sal002Okay..anyone getting an error installing new iptables?04:23
goldfishMartok: how to you get them to play by hovering over them?04:24
repeteMartok: where have you seen this feature before?04:24
farruinnMartok: that preview thing is set to preview files of only a certain size by default - are the oggs too big?04:24
Martokfarriunn: Let me check.04:24
Martokgoldfish: They just play.04:24
Martokrepete: In nautilius04:24
eyequeuesal002:  if it helps any, someone seemed to be asking about iptables earlier04:24
sal002okay...04:25
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eyequeuesal002:  check bugzilla if no one replies04:25
Martokfarruninn: No, the ogg is smaller then the wav.04:25
shadeofgreythey're all in there04:25
sal002But no one knows how to finish an install?  What is the apt-get name for xfree?04:25
shadeofgreyamazing04:25
dazed||ootpeace yall04:25
farruinnMartok: heh, weird04:25
shadeofgrey...why dont they show up then?04:25
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MartokYeah!04:25
farruinnMartok: is there a gstreamer plugin for ogg? maybe you need that?04:25
eyequeuesal002:  xserver-xfree8604:25
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farruinnshadeofgrey: the program isn't looking there04:25
eyequeuesal002:  warty?04:25
sal002No..my install after first reboot just brought up a prompt04:26
error_29ok ok jdub, i believe you!  I'll check 'em all out! ;-)04:26
sal002yes04:26
farruinnshadeofgrey: does the program have its own fonts directory?04:26
Martokfarriunn: I don't know. I'm still an ogg/gnu/linux newbie.04:26
bur[n] eranyoen know if the latest ubuntu release includes a bootsplash?04:26
sal002argh!  can't find package!04:26
jdubbur[n] er: it doesn't.04:26
mikepjust upgraded to hoary. the install was a little long but went smooth. so far so good.04:26
eyequeuesal002:  apt-get install gdm perhaps04:26
jdubbur[n] er: we're not going to use bootsplash itself, ever.04:26
bur[n] era bootpslash alternative?  or just nothing?04:27
jdubbur[n] er: we were hoping to ship a userspace graphical boot thingy, but were unable to.04:27
jdubhopefully next release04:27
bur[n] eraww, righto, just curious :)04:27
difektagraphical boot?04:27
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difektait already has a splash screen.04:27
difektaoh!  you mean like instead of grub's text?04:27
jdubdifekta: no, the entire boot process04:27
farruinnMartok: make sure gstreamer-vorbis is installed04:27
shadeofgreyi havent the slightest idea04:27
difektadude, ubuntu is seriously starting to look like something grandma could use.04:27
bur[n] erbootsplash needs a special kernel thing... is that built into the ubuntu kernel so I can add one post-install?  or do I need to make my own if i want a pretty boot up?04:27
difektajdub:  uh..like i said, grub?04:27
shadeofgreyfarruinn:  but it would seem to be the case hmmmm?04:28
difektaoh no, i see what you mean.04:28
bur[n] erdifekta: after grub... before gnome04:28
eyequeuedifekta:  i've already installed it for a greatgrandmother04:28
difektaright.04:28
Funraiserdifekta maybe not grandma but mum yes04:28
sal002hmm..where are my apt-get sources configured?04:28
jdubdifekta: grub is the bootloader, only appears for a couple of seconds. the boot process includes everything after that until gdm appears.04:28
eyequeueFunraiser:    i've already installed it for a greatgrandmother04:28
difektayup.04:28
Funraiserand is she "using" it?04:28
error_29just as long as prettier doesn't mean slower...04:28
eyequeueyes04:29
farruinnshadeofgrey: if you paid 60 bucks for the thing I'd imagine you could get some support for it04:29
farruinnshadeofgrey: or at least check its documentation04:29
pondsanyone tried gnome-keyring yet? i cant seem to find what im supposed to run to get the ui...04:29
difektai still really think that non-critical services should boot as a last priority to getting the login up.04:29
Funraiserthat greatgrandmother is 60?04:29
shadeofgreyyeah i concur04:29
shadeofgreythanks for the help tho guys04:29
sproingielinux has always been good for ultra-novice users04:30
eyequeueFunraiser:  firefox and mahjong seem her primary apps04:30
Funraiserlol04:30
sproingieit's the ones that want to be power users that run into real confusion04:30
eyequeueFunraiser:  older actually04:30
Funraisernice04:30
difektayeah, those power users who wanted to burn cd's.04:30
Funraiserwell that's good news for linux04:30
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sproingiewhen something doesn't work for a novice, it's just something that computer won't do04:31
difektaor have their drives automatically be mounted.04:31
sproingiefor medium users, when their printer isnt supported, say, then well dagnabit, what's going on, how am i gonna fix this, what is all this, etc04:31
Funraiserbut when something works flawlessly, it useless04:31
farruinnsproingie: but that is how they learn04:31
difektawhat's wrong with this line that stops users from being able to access this drive? /dev/hdb1       /mnt/hd2        ntfs     rw,user        0       004:31
farruinnFunraiser: what?!04:31
sproingiesome people don't care about learning.  i dont want to learn how my AC works04:32
sproingiei just want it to work04:32
eyequeuerw and ntfs together?04:32
difektaoh duh04:32
haydencan someone tell me what is wrong with this c statement-> strcmp(argv[1] , "EXIT") = 0)04:32
haydenif04:32
sproingiei know basically how my transmission works.  but god knows i don't want to learn exactly how04:32
difektano no..that's not the problem.04:32
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sproingiehayden: sure there's an argv[1] ?04:32
PacoBCNhi there04:32
SiRrUshello04:32
PacoBCNstill problems recording DVDs04:32
sproingiehayden: and it looks like assignment and not equality.  could be my font04:33
PacoBCNlooks like images can't be stored in fat32 partitions04:33
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eyequeuesproingie:  here too04:33
haydenyea04:33
mrproperCould someone help me test a problem with gnome-launch-box04:33
PacoBCNas well as Azureus can't store in fat3204:33
sproingiehayden: compiling with -Wall should have screamed bloody murder ... assuming it would compile at all04:33
haydensproingie, i want to compare if they both equal the same then do something04:33
sproingiei imagine it wouldn't compile.  add another equals sign.  check argc to make sure you HAVE an arg while you're at it04:34
eyequeue==04:34
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sproingieuse strncmp unless you really want to force 'em to use uppercase04:34
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haydensproingie, does that ignore case?04:35
sproingiehayden: that's precisely what it does04:35
difektadoes anyone know what's wrong with my fstab entry?04:35
haydenok ill use that instead04:35
Funraiserfarruinn when something works very well very often that is because it is old and has been tested extensively, when it's flawless that means it's old and people are using something else, newer, but with...flaws...hence when it's flawless, it's useless04:35
PacoBCNok, Azureus issue solved04:35
asubediso the new kernel does not have sonypi compiled?04:35
curatorAnyone have any idea while formatting a new partition during ubuntu install might fail?  Tried ext3, ext2, reiserfs, and even fat16.04:35
sproingiehayden: but check argc to make sure you have that many args.  otherwise crashie crashie04:36
sproingiei dont recommend fat16 :)04:36
sproingiecurator: fail how?04:36
curatorYeah, I know, but just making sure nothing worked.  :)04:36
haydenyep04:36
curatorThe background turns red and it says "failed creating filesystem".  It then pops back to the partition screen.04:37
sproingieah nice.  is there an error log on another vc?04:37
haydensproingie, if i type this to run the program is EXIT argv[0]  or [1]       ./a.out EXIT04:37
sproingiemaybe alt-f2 will show you?  i dont know ubuntu installer that well04:37
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eyequeuetry both alt-f2 and alt-f3, i'm not sure which either04:38
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curatorFound it.  Bunch of errors.  Looks like the problem occurs when running /sbin/tune2fs04:38
sproingiehayden: argv[0]  is the name of the program you run.  your args start at argv[1] 04:38
haydenok04:38
curatorno such file with /dev/ide/host0/target0/lun0/part2 ?04:38
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haydensproingie, i am used to java where the args start at arg[0]  i believe04:39
sproingiehayden: it's easier to think of argv as representing the whole command line04:39
sproingiehayden: there's lots of programs that actually change behavior on argv[0] .  busybox for one04:39
Funraiserpersonnaly i'm not using ubuntu because windows sucks (xp never crashed on me..)but only because it's free04:39
haydenok04:40
eyequeuehayden:  0 is used to see "what was i invoked as?" sometimes04:40
haydenyep04:40
sproingiechanging argv[0]  is one of those things that used to be deep magic04:40
sproingienowadays it's almost portable04:40
cbgbwhat can i do with my resolution with ubuntu 1024X768 85 Hz does not work04:41
sproingieFunraiser:  i use and like both linux and windows.  for very different reasons04:41
error_29comparing linux with windows is kind of silly nowadays; for me, windows means all the terrific open source stuff written for windows or ported to it.04:41
haydenhmm, i changed the strcmp statement to this -> if (strncmp(argv[1] , "exit", 81) == 0)                but if i type EXIT as argv[1]  it doesnt do as it should?04:41
haydenbut works with "exit"04:41
sproingieerror_29: right on04:42
curatorOkay, trying to format hda2, both mke2fs and tune2fs complain no such file /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part2.  There is in fact no such file there.  Any clue what I've messed up?04:42
sproingiei see MS sorta like the catholic church.  it moves steadily to enlightened modernity ... but at its own damn pace04:43
Funraisernight all!04:43
Funraisererrr...04:43
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PacoBCNquestion for you all. Is it possible to allow nautilus/graveman to store the temp ISO images in a fat32 partition?04:43
Funraisercatholics to enlight modernity?04:43
error_29"blue nuns of death"04:44
sproingieFunraiser: hey, darwinian evolution is in the official vatican dogma04:44
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PacoBCNsproingie, false04:44
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PacoBCNsproingie, actually in some states of US they want teachers not to teach darwinian theory04:45
Funraiserit is only because they can fight evidences too long04:45
Funraiserthey HAD to accept darwin04:45
sproingiemight take 'em a couple hundred years to get on the social issues ... anyway, parallel of it with MS is that they're almost supporting OSS development04:45
sproingiethey won't opensource anything of theirs, but they're giving ALL the API's away04:45
error_29actually, the religion analogy makes some sense:  Windows, Catholic (comparatively monolithic, though subvertible)04:45
nixmanis there a utility to increase freq scaling on laptops ?04:45
error_29linux, Protestant with an insane number of "distros"04:45
haydensproingie, i changed to strncmp() but it doesnt handle different cases (lower or upper)04:46
sproingiePacoBCN: i think you'll find it's not the vatican pushing that.  anyway, that's klinda not the point04:46
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Funraiserlike they had to accept earth revolving around the sun, but if REASON was not there, catholics where still believing sun rotates around the earth and species are always the same04:46
HrdwrBoBerror_29: well no, not really04:46
sproingiewell, there's institutions and there's followers04:47
sproingiewhich sorta dovetails with the whole OSS thing sometimes04:47
error_29I can't give you a count of either protestant denominations, or linux flavors; new ones all the time04:47
HrdwrBoBlast time I checked04:47
sproingieprobably worth recalling that unix sucked until it was "freed"04:47
error_29but all with the same damn work ethic!04:48
HrdwrBoBno-one had actually killed anyone because they used a different OS04:48
sproingieat&t was basically sitting on it doing nothing, then BSD came out04:48
Funraiserbut the vatican did accept Darwinian theories, how amazing..04:48
error_29The Church just had a hard time giving up Aristotle and Ptolemy, and other pet pagans.04:49
sproingieFunraiser: not so much accepted as stopped challenging them as incompatible, anyway04:49
sproingiewhich is pretty much the same thing04:49
Funraiseri remember the exact phrasing but that's amazing enough04:50
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Funraiser*don't*04:50
error_29Wasn't MSDOS ripped off from something free...?04:51
tizenno they bought it04:51
OppossumI am willing to try an installation of warty on an old thinkpad wich cannot boot from cdrom. Any idea? Is there any floppy boot images?04:51
Funraiseri don't know how they make that compatible with Maria being pregnant by an angel though...04:51
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tizenGuys, is there any public ubuntu apt servers? I'm getting annoyed with these huge speed fluctuations... from 6kB/s to 600 kB/s04:52
sproingieerror_29: sure, CP/M04:52
OppossumI am willing to try an installation of warty on an old thinkpad wich cannot boot from cdrom. Any idea? Is there any floppy boot images? please msg-me04:52
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sproingieerror_29: QDOS (Quick and Dirty Operating System) was legitimately bought by MS.  turns out that QDOS was largely machine-translated from CP/M binaries04:53
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sproingieerror_29: right down to the easter eggs04:53
Teal`cthis will be neat.. trying to preserve my uptime, so i'm gonna have to disable my main drive to pull out the one i want04:53
calamarihi04:53
Teal`chope it doesnt crash the system04:53
sproingienot that CP/M didn't really suck though.  at least QDOS was 16-bit, CP/M wasn't04:54
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nixmanwhere am i supposed to add options for modules ? /etc/modules ?04:55
Funraiserso windows comes from something that was called "dirty operating system" ?04:55
kapputuevolution not working after upgrade to hoary04:55
kapputuin fact it crashes04:55
nixmanFunraiser: windows was invented by a free mason04:55
sproingieFunraiser: yep, every time you type a backslash, remember that it's just a Quick and Dirty OS04:56
Funraiseroh my04:56
sproingieseriously tho, NT's a fine OS.  it's the compatibility crap that sucks04:56
Oppossumcome on i'm sure this place is full of linux gurus... I wish to install ubuntu on a laptop with a non-bootable cdrom drive. Any idea?04:57
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kapputufloppy disks ?04:57
Funraiserno04:57
sproingieFunraiser:  NT (including XP) gets its roots from a more respectable OS: VMS04:57
Oppossumyes but wich image?04:57
kapputuI was just shooting in the dark, I'm sorry04:58
Funraisernt and xp don't have the same roots as w98/2000?04:58
nixmanOppossum: what do you mean ?04:58
kapputuwait04:58
kapputuyou used to be able to do that from the dos prompt04:58
sal002 is there a manual install procedure?04:58
BurgundaviaOppossum: I haven't the foggiest idea how to implement it, but you can something like damn small and go from there04:58
sproingieFunraiser: w2k is also based on NT.  98 is not, it's DOS underneath04:58
Funraiserk04:59
nixmanOppossum: there are floppy disks for debian, i am sure ubuntu has them as well !04:59
kapputuwith RH you used to be able to do loadlin from the dos prompt04:59
sal002I just want to know what I need to do to complete my install04:59
sal002I am now doing an apt-get install gdm.04:59
sproingieFunraiser: the difference between w2k and xp is about as much between debian and ubuntu04:59
kappututhe firefox dns resolution problem has gone away with hoary04:59
kapputuyeah it's just eyecandy on top of w2k05:00
kapputuw2k was very stable when I started using it even tho it was just a beta05:00
sproingiekapputu: and a few extra services05:00
sproingiekapputu: and crippled pipe throughput, for some strange reason05:00
kapputuhmm no idea on that05:00
kapputuupgrading the packages in hoary05:01
kapputuanything I should notice?05:01
Funraiserall right good night all05:01
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SiRrUskapputu yeah a blinding white light05:02
kapputulol05:03
kapputubetter than a BSOD05:03
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SiRrUsi feel left out no updates since i installed the preview :(05:04
kapputuwhy not?05:04
SiRrUsthink it has all the updates05:04
sproingieunless it's today's preview, i doubt it05:05
SiRrUssproingie there was only one preview was there not?05:06
sproingiei thought the previews were snapshots05:06
kapputuI tried out the kubuntu live cd, it was good05:06
SiRrUsthe preview release came out today05:06
sproingiei run kubuntu, more or less.  installed it from plain ubuntu hoary05:06
sproingiebtw, does ubuntu have a branch like "sid", i.e. always unstable?05:07
sal002How do I get ubuntu to boot into gdm?05:07
SiRrUssproingie hoary is still considered unstable05:07
kapputuI'm not able to access webmail from firefox05:07
regeya_so tempted by kubuntu05:07
sproingieSiRrUs: yah but when it goes stable, it won't be like sid05:08
kapputunot sure if I'm missing something05:08
sproingiei guess asking people to update their sources.list every 6 months is fair05:08
kapputuregeya_: kubuntu is super05:08
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SiRrUswhen its stable the next release is scheduled for october05:08
sproingiebeing on the bleeding edge requires a little vigilance ;)05:08
regeya_on the one hand gnome is getting so good with usability...otoh, it seems that for every release of gnome, a few features disappear forever05:08
SiRrUs:)05:08
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sal002okay..what runlevel is gdm?05:08
Quest-MasterHoary is quite stable now.. I upgraded to it a few days ago, and haven't noticed any difference in stability from it and Warty05:08
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Quest-MasterOnly the goodness of being able to run all of the latest applications. :)05:09
SiRrUsyeah i nstalled the preview today works great05:09
regeya_now's when people start bombarding me with "well what disappeared no shut up you don't know what you're talking about just fire up a terminal and add this gconf key genuflect turn around three times and fart out your nose can't believe you didn't think that was easy"05:09
werfuhelp, I just tryed to install ubuntu and it messed up my partition table...05:09
werfu:(05:09
sproingieQuest-Master: for gnome.  kubuntu hoary is definitely bleeding edge at times05:09
Quest-MasterAh, perhaps.05:09
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sal002heh..in my experience even warty is unstable ;)05:10
werfudo someone know a recovery tool for linux^05:10
werfu:S05:10
sproingiei liked gnome til they just up and switched the buttons around.  that sorta soured me05:10
error_29I was happily using kde's kicker in warty gnome, but now it looks like kubuntu or whatever has kind of messed it up, at least in hoary, the kicker now is awful05:11
sproingiekonq definitely has bells and whistles, ioslaves for everything.  nautilus has some nice architecture underneath.05:12
sproingiethey should definitely pay attention to each other05:12
regeya_indeed.05:12
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regeya_so, does kmenuedit still work? ;-)05:12
dizzieFOTM tvcard software? (I got a pinaccle card)05:13
regeya_kde is definitely paying attention to gnome; they've pledged to clean up usability issues05:13
regeya_and gnome is...um...gnome is...uh...cleaning up gnome.05:13
sproingiei dunno.  kde's bleeding edge is definitely more featureful but more broken than gnome's05:13
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sproingiei live for danger tho.  my DE goes away, i run twm til it's fixed :)05:14
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regeya_in gnome's defense, they're doing things right that even apple gets way wrong.05:14
kapputuchecking my conn05:14
lunitiksproingie: TWM? gah... so many better choices... 'apt-cache search x-window-manager'05:15
sproingiecould gnome hire someone who likes color tho?  the default theme, my god05:15
regeya_heh...I think that's also a usability thing05:15
sal002argh!!  What are the available xservers?05:15
lunitiksproingie: you can edit the theme colors... but there are so many themes, you don't have to use the default....05:15
kapputusproingie: do u know of any good theme?05:15
error_29I wish kde would tone down its theming.  evert damn little popup utility has to be themed to death...05:16
lunitikkapputu: gtk2-engines-clearlooks05:16
sproingielunitik: yahbut i just run irc, some terms, a browser window... i make my expiations for the sins of breakage with a retrograde wm until penance is made and it works again ;)05:16
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kapputuis that a package lunitik05:16
regeya_has kde switched to plastik for default, or is it still *shudder* keramik?05:16
lunitikkapputu: yup... apt-get install it.05:16
kaplanfxis it possible to upgrade from a Debian SID install to ubuntu?05:16
sproingiekapputu: yah, i pick the qt theme engine and use plastik05:16
sproingieregeya_: it's plastik by default now05:16
error_29iceWM has some really nice themes05:16
kapputuwhat's plastik?05:17
sproingiekaramik was abominable05:17
lunitikkapputu: apt-cache search gtk2-engine to see all the ones that are compiled in the archive.05:17
sproingiekapputu: kde's default theme.  very subtle and pretty05:17
kaplanfxalso is x.org for ubuntu built with evdev patches?05:17
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kapputuactually I'm upgrading to hoary right now05:17
sal002How do you upgrade to hoary?05:17
lunitiksproingie: thank god they went with Plastik as default for 3.4 I say.05:17
regeya_with the right colorscheme keramik wasn't quite so ass-like05:17
kapputuchange sources.list to hoary instead of warty05:17
SiRrUssal002 why not just d/l burn and install the preview relaese05:17
neomLook how bored I got tonight.05:17
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neomhttp://home.neom.ca/kubuntu2.jpg05:18
sproingieSPEAKING OF BLEEDING EDGE05:18
sproingieCAPS LOCK05:18
sal002I'll do that...I'm just so frustrated with getting warty to work...05:18
sproingiesorry05:18
lunitikSiRrUs: saves time.05:18
factotumheh, 4 years and I finaly found something to stick with05:18
SiRrUslunitik hmmm not really05:18
sproingieplastik is like XP's silver theme, but not nearly as garish05:18
error_29sal002, easy to upgrade through Synaptic; just change all "warty" references to "hoary" and do a smart update05:18
sproingieyou'd think that with MS's billions, that they would make buttons that don't use GRADIENTS05:19
factotumubuntu running xfce, never would have thought05:19
sal002heh...Synaptic GUI based?05:19
lunitikSiRrUs: uhh... change one file... and type 1 command isn't faster than burning a CD, installing... then upgrading again?05:19
sproingielet alone inverting the gradients.  "flexing, like so much cheap plastic"05:19
error_29though if you've messed around a lot with warty already, upgrading might break stuff.05:19
sal002factotum: I want it to run xpde ;)05:19
lunitikSiRrUs: seems illogical, why not cut the crap out and just upgrade?05:19
error_29forget about it if you've been adding backports etc05:19
regeya_indeed sproingie...no excuse for apple beating ms to the punch05:19
regeya_and by so many years05:19
kapputuwhat are backports?05:19
regeya_YEARS05:20
SiRrUslunitik do you get the new desktop with the upgrade?05:20
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lunitikSiRrUs: uhh... yes05:20
sproingieregeya_: actually, the "lickable" widgets are horrid.  i can stand them for about 10 minutes05:20
kapputunew desktop??05:20
SiRrUslunitik guess your correct then05:20
error_29sal002, yes Synaptic packaage manaager is gui for apt-get05:20
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kapputuwhat new desktop05:20
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lunitikkapputu: 2.8 to 2.10...05:20
kapputuoh ok05:20
SiRrUskapputu after your upgrade let me know about your new desktop05:20
sal002error_29: I am about 30 steps from that...since my install stopped midway05:21
kapputuwhat are the major  differences05:21
regeya_I deal with 'em all the time, sproingie.  with the graphite colorscheme you can ignore it easily (which is what you want an interface to be, ignorable)05:21
SiRrUslunitik i didnt say gnome05:21
kapputuI'm upgrading the packages now05:21
kapputuI can't notice the diff05:21
lunitikSiRrUs: uhh... then you must mean Kubuntu? Or Xorg?05:21
sproingieregeya_: yep that's the scheme i like too05:21
kapputuhow's xorg?05:21
error_29ah, well, if you can't install warty, i don't know what to tell you.  maybe a hoary disk will give you better luck, but...05:21
lunitikkapputu: faster...05:21
kapputuis it stable with hoary?05:21
SiRrUslunitik i mean the desktop05:21
regeya_kapputu: from what I've heard...um, try to modify your GNOME menu.  Just try.  I dare ya.  There's your difference. ;-)05:22
kapputulol05:22
lunitikSiRrUs: desktop meaning what exactly?05:22
error_29I hate the gnome menus.05:22
sproingiei thought you could drag n drop to the gnome menu05:22
SiRrUskapputu does you desktop look the same as it did before your upgrade?05:22
regeya_kapputu: and now, brand new, um, totem is *officially* part of gnome.05:22
regeya_I can hardly...*yawn*...contain...my exci...*snore*05:22
kapputuSiRrUs: yeah I guess so05:22
sproingieknow what i wish you could do?  know how when you use alt-f2 (or meta-r) in kde to pop up the run menu?05:23
kapputuneed to see if things work as before05:23
sproingieknow how it shows the icon of whatever program you type in?05:23
sproingiei wish you could drag that icon to the desktop05:23
kapputucan't access school or work webmail from firefox05:23
regeya_and the abominable sound juicer, it's officially part of gnome now05:23
kapputuworks with firefox in windows05:23
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SiRrUskapputu mine doesnt thats what I was saying before lunitik told me i didnt know what i was takling about ;)05:23
error_29And the panels need some work.  I'd like to make 'em transparent, but half the icons gnome uses don't work with transparency, and the menu sections stick out like sore thumbs.05:23
sproingiein fact i wish you could drag that icon to any "open with" menu05:23
sproingieor any dialog asking for the name of a program05:23
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kapputuSiRrUs: in what way is it different?05:24
error_29any why does gnome have to animate the panels on hiding? hate that05:24
sproingiewhat good are icons and drag and drop if you don't make it *totally* pervasive?05:24
regeya_I don't suppose that there's an amarok package for kubuntu, is there?05:24
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sproingieopenwindows had a terrific metaphor that all DE's since then have lost05:24
regeya_do tell05:24
SiRrUskapputu the preview release was a bit different then the usual upgrades05:25
hazmatthere are some standard modules missing from the ubuntu python.. namely the profile module... any ideas where it can be found?05:25
sproingiemost every openwin app had a "this document" icon that you could drag into any other app or text input line05:25
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sproingieor the file manager, etc05:25
desrtsproingie; macos has that05:25
SiRrUsor it seems to be i suppose thats why it just wasnt called array 705:25
regeya_ooooh....I never tried that!05:25
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regeya_whathafuh?  macos has that?05:25
sproingiedesrt: not surprised, i guess macos never forgot its roots.  it started with xerox globalview05:25
kapputuI'm not really sure, I'll wait for the dist-upgrade to finish05:25
sproingieopenwin made it really useful tho05:25
desrtmost good macos applications have a tiny little document icon in the titlebar beside the name of the document that you're editing05:26
desrtyou can drag that icon05:26
regeya_never tried that.  damn.05:26
sproingiedesrt: that is the neatest freakin feature.  if gnome copied that, i'd switch back to it in an instant05:26
kapputuI would like to try out a Mac sometime05:26
desrtmacs are nice.  i run linux on my powerbook and my 2 G5s :)05:26
kappututhey are expensive05:27
desrti didn't pay for any of them :)05:27
kapputudesrt: send me one of them05:27
desrti use them all05:27
desrtand they belong to work05:27
sproingieeh.  mac mini is $599 but it's got some nice hardware inside05:27
desrtlaptop + workstation + server05:27
kapputuI thot 49905:27
sproingiewhups.  $599 for the one with the dvd burner05:27
desrt$62905:27
kapputuoh ok05:28
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sproingiei burn dvds for backups all the time05:28
desrt$749 for dvd burner05:28
kapputuyeah would want a dvd burner05:28
evilyodaanybody have trouble recording from microphone on emu10k1 (Audigy) in ubuntu for amd64?05:28
kapputuwhy have linux on a Mac when u can use Mac OS X05:29
desrti like gnome a lot more than macosx05:29
hazmatugh.. i absolutely the way debian/ubuntu break up packages for no logical reason05:29
sproingiehazmat: like what?05:29
desrt-dev05:29
hazmatlike ruby or python being standard libraries being broken into several parts05:29
desrti feel the same way :)05:29
hazmatit makes tracking and installing stuff a pain in the arse05:29
hazmatlike python-profile which is a std module but is broken out in ubuntu05:30
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curatorOkay... I might be getting closer, bu tnow I'm stuck.  Anyone have any clue why a partition will show up in cfdisk but not in /proc/partitions or in /dev/ide.../lun0 in the installer?05:30
hazmatexcept the pkg is available atm in hoary05:30
sproingienasty.  i usually compile interpreters from source05:30
hazmater isn't05:30
karstenPointer for dual-head setup using _two_ video cards?05:30
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hazmatsproingie, sorta of defeats the purpose of package management..05:30
hazmatbut i guess i might have todo the same05:30
karstenI've got two-output instructions from Wiki, not quite appropriate:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/XineramaMultipleMonitors05:30
tjshow can I setup a 'print to file' printer?05:30
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sproingiehazmat: yep, i'm in agreement.  i'm a bsd ports fan myself05:31
hazmatotoh i did upgrade a kernel via binary today ;-)05:31
desrtgentoo is great05:31
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desrti love it05:31
regeya_hazmat: I've been tempted to start emerging a system via chroot for a couple of weeks now05:31
sproingiei usually prefer bsd, but my hardware's too new05:31
error_29bsd ports, hmm hah! desrt!  I knew gentoo was going to come up05:31
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desrterror_29; do i know you? :)05:32
error_29i'm going to try gentoo--05:32
sproingiefreebsd has netgraph which i always thought was the neatest thing05:32
sproingieshame i never saw it used in the real world05:32
error_29no you don't desrt05:32
error_29just thought you were reading my mind05:32
desrterror_29; excellent.  gentoo rules05:32
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error_29it's either gentoo, or trying debian from scratch05:33
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desrtwhatever you do, don't try ubuntu05:33
desrti've heard that it contains pornography!05:33
curatorWhat could I have screwed up that makes partitions show in cfdisk but not in /proc/partitions or under devfs?  This is driving me crazy.05:33
regeya_gentoo GENTOO gentoo GENTOO gentoo GENTOO05:33
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calamari<-- gentoo = 0, ubuntu = 105:33
desrt<-- gentoo = 4, ubuntu = 105:34
kapputume votes for ubuntu05:34
error_29Ugentu!05:34
regeya_heh05:34
desrt(if i'm voting with hardware, that is)05:34
calamarieew!05:34
BiteMeBillOh it's getting stupid in here tonight.05:34
calamariBiteMeBill: sorry ;)05:34
sproingiegentoo = 4, ubuntu = 28 HOJILLION SO THERE05:34
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sproingiepthpthpth05:34
desrtheh05:34
regeya_hojillion, eh?05:34
dizzieFOTM tvcard software? (I got a pinaccle card)05:34
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lunitikcurator: for one.... Ubuntu doesn't use devfs (udeb/sysfs) ...05:35
froustanyone know how i can change my splash screen on startup (after login, before desktop)?05:35
kapputuhow much does  a tv card cost?05:35
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moetiahow do i update the repositories list?05:35
nixmansomeone plz tell me where (which file) i am supposed to add the options for the nvidia kernel options /etc/modules or /etc/modules.conf ?05:36
lunitikcurator: as for your /proc/partitions... no idea..05:36
curatorlunitik: Okay, I'm totally new and have no clue what I'm doing.  :)  Why might partitions that show up in cfdisk and the installer not show up in proc/partitions or for doing mke2fs?  Thanks for the help.05:36
lunitikmoetia: /etc/apt/sources.list ... change 'warty' to 'hoary'...05:36
dizziekapputu, 25 :)05:36
moetiathanks05:36
froustanyone know?05:37
kapputususe good for a windows replacement?05:37
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poyayanum you have to change the symbolic link froust05:37
dizzieNo one got a clue what software i can use, synapse is silent as the grave when searching on "tvcard"05:37
lunitikcurator: you're having issues related to harddrive? or just confused why its not showing in /proc/partitions?05:37
sproingiekapputu: not if you want to play half life, no05:37
sproingiekapputu: if you want a file server, sure05:37
kapputuI hardly play any games05:37
lunitikdizzie: apt-get install tvtime05:38
froustpoyayan: how does that change it?05:38
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regeya_HI DARTHFROG05:38
DarthFrogkapputu: Suse is a fine distribution.  But why are you asking that question here? :-)05:38
kapputusproingie: I would probably use debian05:38
curatorlunitik: trying to install, when I get to the partitioning/format stage, formatting fails because it can't find /dev/.../part2, which in fact doesn't exist.05:38
dizzielunitik, Thanks :)05:38
DarthFrogHEYA regeya_!05:38
sproingiekapputu: i'd probably use ubuntu, myself05:38
kapputuDarthFrog: I use Ubuntu on my laptop and on my other desktop05:38
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regeya_I keep meaning to give suse a try05:38
kapputujust wanted to try out something new on my main desktop05:38
goldfishits nice05:38
desrtfor all this stuff that i have to fetch from strange places because ubuntu doesn't have portage....05:39
regeya_last time I gave suse a try, well, it was years ago05:39
DarthFrogkapputu: I'm using Ubuntu (KDE) on my laptop and Mandrake on my desktop.05:39
goldfishwe use it in college05:39
desrtis it better to download the .deb as a one-shot deal05:39
goldfishits nice05:39
desrtor is it betetr to add the source to my apt.sources?05:39
sproingieregeya_: it's very redhatlike -- no updates for you unless you pay05:39
kapputuno updates??05:39
kapputudamn05:39
kapputuI guess I'd install Kubuntu05:39
lunitikdesrt: definatly not! else you get in a dep hell not unlike what RPM's are renowned for!05:40
sproingieregeya_: it's a damn solid distro, i recommend it over RHEL.  but only in places where you'd demand something like RHEL05:40
desrtlunitik; so what one am i supposed to do?05:40
regeya_'k05:40
lunitikdesrt: use apt-get ... www.apt-get.org is a good place for software not in the archive...05:40
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DarthFrogSuse & Red Hat are primarily oriented towards the business market.05:41
pointzeroanybody know of a good PGP keyring manager to use with Ubuntu?05:41
desrtlunitik; but then i have a whole whack of weird 3rd party sources05:41
DarthFrogAs is Sun's Java Desktop.05:41
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sproingieyast2 is awesome about reconfiguring everything that needs it and rolling back if it dies05:41
lunitikDarthFrog: no... SuSE is being redirected at home user... while NLD is directed at enterprise.05:41
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kapputuhoary upgrade is taking a long time05:41
regeya_see, I even see people asking questions that make me think "damn, I need to go back to KDE."  like that pgp keyring manager question, man.05:41
moetialunitik, I have opened the /etc/apt/sources.list file but i cannot edit it05:42
kapputuI need to see what it looks like before I go to sleep05:42
goldfishmoetia: u nee to be root i think05:42
DarthFroglunitik: Hmm, that's not my impression.  Tho' I've been known to be wrong before. :-)05:42
goldfishmoetia: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list for example05:42
Banditkapputu i am finnishing mine in about a min or two will let you know05:42
kapputuhmm firefox menu doesn't work05:42
johnnybezakmoetia: you need to type sudo first05:42
lunitikdesrt: look for devels you trust... pretty much the only thing I ever need thats not in the archive is movie codecs... and Christian Marrilat packages such things in his archive, he is the maintainer of the Ubuntu mplayer packages...05:42
pointzeroi know i loved the keyring manager in kde... i want to use one for gnome though.05:42
kapputuhow the heck am I supposed to change my pref05:42
dizzieYay can watch tv again, thanks to lunitik :)05:43
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lunitikdizzie: \o/05:43
desrtlunitik; i'm trying to get java05:43
sproingiegnome has gnome-keyring iirc05:43
Banditok brb05:44
pointzeroright on05:44
kapputu): CRITICAL **: egg_desktop_entries_add_group: assertion `egg_desktop_entries_lookup_group (entries, group_name) == NULL failed05:44
DarthFrogOff Topic: http://www.bellyup4blues.com/listen.pls is seriously good.05:44
johnnybezakdammit the version of firefox in hoary atm is piece of shit05:44
kapputuany good?05:44
lunitikdesrt: eh... go to java.sun.com ... download it... decompress it... make a symlink for the plugin in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins... and a symlink to the bin in /usr/bin...05:44
lunitikdone05:44
desrti don't understand why this stuff can't just be in multiverse05:45
lunitikdesrt: or you can get java-package... and make a .deb that does that for you... but I seem to be less successful that way.05:45
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mrproperjohnnybezak, Why is firefox a POS?05:46
johnnybezakmrproper: it isn't its sweet, just the version in hoary atm is05:46
mrproperjohnnybezak, Yeah, what's wrong with it?05:46
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johnnybezakmrproper: all of a sudden doesn't work with my netbank, and crashes05:46
lunitikdesrt: blame Sun! They don't allow you to host the files without a license etc... you can get blackdown .deb's though... because they have a license.05:46
mrproperoh05:46
pointzeroanybody have any experience with either GPA or SEAHORSE?  any recommendations?05:46
johnnybezakmrproper: yeah :P05:47
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lunitikdesrt: I suppose blackdown should be in multiverse though... would make sense, but I'm not sure exactly what the rules are pertaining to that.05:47
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desrtlunitik; how do i add GPG keys?05:47
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lunitikdesrt: as far as I know... they are fetched automatically when syncing with a source provided they offer it.05:48
desrtnope :D05:48
lunitikdesrt: 0.6 branch isn't default in regular Debian though... so many repo's don't have it yet.05:48
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lunitikdesrt: hopefully it will get into sarge so more repo's will provide that.05:49
desrt:/05:49
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desrtubuntu is badly in need of something vaguely like USE flags05:49
moetiawhat is the unofficial ubuntu help site?05:49
Burgundaviamoetia: ubuntuguide.org05:49
moetiathanks05:49
fitzI am trying out the hoary preview release, and am trying to get the binary ati drivers to work, but keep getting this error "(EE) fglrx(0): [agp]  unable to acquire AGP, error "xf86_EBUSY"05:50
sproingiewow... how unstable is sun's java on amd64?05:51
lunitikdesrt: umm... debian/rules allows you to customize packages...05:51
sproingiei seem to be getting ... random errors05:51
desrtmm05:51
lunitikdesrt: I'm not sure if you can do anything globally with them though...05:51
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fitzanyone have a radeon running with the ati binary drivers in hoary?05:52
sproingiefitz: me05:52
JDahldesrt, what is "USE flags"?05:52
fitzwhat did you do to get it running?05:52
desrtJDahl; it tells the package manager about things that you like and don't like05:52
desrtfor example, if i want to install mplayer, it requires xmms which requires a whole bunch of other stuff (like all of gtk1, glib1, etc)05:53
sproingiefitz: apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx05:53
azriel0184how do you remove a wireless interface?05:53
desrtin gentoo i'd just add "-xmms" to my USE flags and be done with it05:53
Amaranthanyone got a lexmark p707 working with ubuntu?05:53
sproingiefitz: then edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and replace the line that says Driver "ati" with Driver "fglrx"05:53
desrtthen mplayer wouldn't depend on xmms05:53
fitzyea05:53
fitzI did that05:53
azriel0184or change it to default to a wired interface?05:53
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HrdwrBoBdesrt: except on the whole, it would take you more time and space to download and compile everything05:54
sproingiefitz: and enjoy the crisper 2d, and forget about ever having working 3d.   buy nvidia next time05:54
JDahldesrt, that's kind of hard to achieve with binary packages, isn't it?05:54
fitzwell I just want 2d05:54
fitzI dont care about 3d05:54
desrtJDahl; ya.  that's exactly the problem05:54
fitzactually I just want to run in 1280x102405:54
fitzto tell ya the truth05:54
hazmatugh.. really wierd, why is python-profile in multiverse05:54
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lunitikdesrt: and after about 40 mins, you'd actually be able to view a movie on said movie player...05:55
sproingiefitz: make sure you have 24 bit depth.  the driver can't do anything else05:55
desrtcompile time is nothing05:55
sproingiein fact just delete all the other depths05:55
desrtit happens once, and it's usually at night05:55
fitzyea I do05:55
lunitikdesrt: per version, sure.05:55
azriel0184hey guys, how do i change ubuntu to default to a different interface for networking? (i have 2 NIC's)05:56
sproingiealso forget about subpixel antialiasing and composite.  both nonfunctional with ati's driver05:56
lunitikdesrt: and its usually at night enless you need it for something you're doing now... in which case, waiting is frustrating!05:56
sproingiei should have gotten the nvidia card05:56
sproingiei kinda thought the subpixel font AA was all software, but apparently not05:57
fitzI know ati drivers suck05:57
JDahldesrt, so you're basically just unhappy with binary packages, then? no "USE" flag would resolve that... if you're going to build a lot of debian packages yourself, check out "apt-get build-dep xxx" to automatically install all necessary libraries et cetara for the package you're compiling05:57
sproingiedoes nothing with the fglrx driver on05:57
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fitzyea, my next card is gonna be a nvidia05:57
desrtJDahl; ya.  i found out about build-dep earlier today.  it's a life-saver05:57
fitzbut for now I have to put up with the ati05:57
desrti just wish the process for building your own versions of things was a little bit more automated05:57
sproingiefitz: does X not start?05:57
fitzits starts05:58
fitzbut gives this error message05:58
DarthFrognixman: In /etc/modules.conf05:58
fitzand 3d accell is not working05:58
sproingiefitz: never will work05:58
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fitzI have it working in warty05:58
sproingienot the 3d.  some manage to, but it's pretty elusive05:58
fitznah05:58
fitzI can always get it to work05:58
fitzits really not that tricky05:58
JDahldesrt, I never tried Gentoo, so I cant really compare, but IMO building debian packages from source is quite easy and automated05:58
fitzbut now its giving a weird error05:58
lunitikdesrt: apt-cache show apt-src.05:58
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sproingiei have a amd64, so ati beats me like the redheaded stepchild05:59
lunitikdesrt: get involved?05:59
fitzhaha05:59
fitzyea05:59
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fitzthey just started supporting amd6405:59
sproingieto use the term loosely05:59
desrtlunitik; i'll check it out05:59
fitzlol05:59
fitzI can buy a nice nvidia 6600 for so cheap05:59
nixmanDarthFrog:  there is none in hoary tho .. just going to create it. i taught it was reverted to modprobe.conf or something !06:00
fitzbut I am waiting to buy computer stuff for my new pc that I will build eventually06:00
azriel0184hey guys, how do i change ubuntu to default to a different interface for networking? (i have 2 NIC's)06:00
azriel0184or remove one of them06:00
fitzalright man06:00
fitzthanks for the help06:00
fitzlater06:00
sproingiethe 6600 was what i was waiting for but everyone was out of stock06:00
sproingiei found a radeon 9800 ez for cheap06:00
fitzget the xfx brand06:00
nixmanazriel0184: ifconfig eth1 down06:00
fitzits got dual dvi06:01
sproingieruns like buttah on the windows side06:01
fitzand its like $16006:01
DarthFrognixman: I've not had to do it yet, so I'm not sure either.  I think Debian distros want you to make such changes in the files under /etc/modutils/ and then run update-modules to regenerate the modules.conf file.06:01
azriel0184nixman: what about a wireless interface?06:01
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nixmanazriel0184: ifconfig wlan0 down06:02
lunitikor just 'ifdown wlan0'06:02
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nixmanazriel0184: i just did for my latptop recently ... i fidled with whereami .. once you figure how it works its a really cool tool06:02
azriel0184ohhh cool :) just that ath0 (the wireless link) did show in ifconfig... :)06:03
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romlunitik, what does ifdown wlan0 do06:03
azriel0184thanks guys :)06:03
DarthFrog/etc/networks/interfaces is the file where your network interfaces are defined, eth0 being the standard wired interface. To make the wirless network come up when you start your computer put # in from to 'auto eth0' (to stop it automaticaly starting) and add something like the following lines.06:04
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lunitikrom: exactly the same thing as 'ifconfig wlan0 down' ... but with less typing  :)06:04
DarthFrogauto wlan006:04
DarthFrogiface wlan0 inet dhcp06:04
DarthFrogname Wireless LAN card06:04
DarthFrogwireless_essid   MYNETWOTK06:04
DarthFrogwireless_key     FEFEFEFEFE06:04
DarthFrogwireless_channel 1106:04
DarthFrogwireless_mode    managed06:04
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azriel0184will ifdown affect the next time i boot up?06:04
nixmanDarthFrog: i tried running update-moduls to no avail ! no modules.conf is generated !06:05
lunitikazriel0184: no... you'd have to change /etc/network/interfaces for that...06:05
|QuaD-anyone know if anyone is working on beagle or dashboard packages?06:05
azriel0184how would i change it so that ubuntu will use eth0 instead of ath0?06:05
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azriel0184i put in a wireless card today, but i still havnt got the wireless network up yet, so im still running on wired here06:06
poyayanrun the network settings program azriel06:07
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poyayanyou can set up your interfaces there and select the default device06:08
azriel0184somehow it got removed and i cant find where to get it again...06:08
DarthFrognixman: There is an /etc/modprobe.d directory.  It looks to be where some things are set.06:08
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poyayanyou mean you don't have system->administration->networking ????06:08
azriel0184poyayan, no i dont :(06:09
lunitikazriel0184: warty: Computer > System Settings (?) > Networking ... hoary: (what poyayan just said)06:09
poyayanwow06:09
difektawhat's wrong with this fstab line that users can't access this drive? /dev/hdb1       /mnt/hd2        ntfs     rw,user        0       106:09
azriel0184lunitik, that app seems to have dissappeared...06:09
difektacan someone please just give me an idea?06:09
difektaer..06:09
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Tuxadermistdid you make the hd2 dir in mnt ?06:09
poyayanso azriel can you open a terminal and run network-admin?06:09
lunitikazriel0184: s/disappeared/not there yet/ more than likely...06:09
azriel0184root@matthew-linux:/home/matthew # network-admin06:10
azriel0184bash: network-admin: command not found06:10
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ace2001acdoes ubuntu not assign a root password?06:10
DarthFrogdifekta: What're the permissions on the directory?06:10
goldfishyour login one06:10
lunitikace2001ac: nope... use sudo06:10
azriel0184lunitik, it was when i was using warty06:10
goldfishwell06:10
poyayansudo -s ace06:10
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ace2001accool, i was just wondering06:11
poyayanazriel if you do 'locate network-admin' do you see anything?06:11
NobleArcwhenever I try to install packages with apt from nerim.net/debian-marlliat, it complains about GPG keys. o_O?06:11
difektai thought directory permissions didn't matter.06:11
difektaover-written by the mount.06:11
ace2001acdoes only the first account created get sudo privs or all the user accounts?06:11
azriel0184difekta, only after the mount06:11
raghuace2001ac: by default no...but you can enable the root06:11
lunitikazriel0184: upgrade. or go grab hoary's gnome-system-tools .... (remembering that the package has been split...)06:12
poyayanonly the first06:12
raghuace2001ac: only first account is rooot06:12
poyayanbut you can change that in the Users and Groups setting tool06:12
lunitik(so you need system-tools-backends also)06:12
crimsunNobleArc: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary06:12
difektano that didn't fix anything.06:12
ace2001acraghu, thanks06:12
NobleArcThanks.06:12
raghuace2001ac: cool06:12
NobleArcThis is the third time I've asked, and the only time I've gotten an answer, lol.06:12
difektai still can only access the directory as root.06:12
NobleArc..now firefox is complaining about ubuntulinux.org's certificate.. -_-06:13
poyayanace you can set other users to have sudo -s permissions as well06:13
ace2001acraghu, wasn't sure because debian doesn't do it that way06:13
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AmaranthNobleArc: It's self-signed, accept it.06:13
raghuace2001ac: ya i know...it is ok06:13
poyayaninfact you can take away sudo -s permissions from accounts too .... never tried to do that to my main account but I don't really want to find out if it can be done06:13
lunitikcrimsun: afaik marillat doesn't yet offer GPG keys for his repo's?06:13
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NobleArclol, I did.06:13
poyayanseriously Noble?06:14
poyayanwhat happened?06:14
lunitikNobleArc: why can't you just hit "Yes"?06:14
wgandhidoes anyone know howto create /dev/dri/crd*06:14
kapputuwhat was that gtk module clearlook or something06:14
wgandhii mean card06:14
NobleArc... I was just complaining. :P06:14
ace2001achas anyone gotten sound to work on amd64 on a MSI K8T Neo?06:14
sproingiepoyayan: all you have to do is leave the user out of the sudoers file06:14
NobleArcbrb.06:14
sproingiepoyayan: by default no one can sudo06:14
lunitikkapputu: gtk2-engine-clearlooks06:14
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sproingiei usually create a wheel group and let the whole group sudo06:14
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poyayanwell the first created user can06:15
poyayanbut no other users06:15
sproingiepoyayan: wasn't my experience with hoary06:15
kapputuhmm can't find it06:15
Amaranthsproingie: That's how OS X does it.06:15
lunitikkapputu: uhh... gtk2-engines-clearlooks even.06:15
kapputualready newest version06:15
sproingieAmaranth: yah well that makes sense.  seems debian just expects you to edit sudoers as root06:15
Amaranthgtk2-engines-clearlooks in in hoary06:15
poyayanthen how did you sudo -s sproingie?06:15
lunitikBut no ClearlooksHuman  >:|06:15
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Amaranthheh06:15
kapputuI find the same themes06:16
Amaranthgive me a couple seconds06:16
sproingiepoyayan: i just logged in as root06:16
poyayanso you activated the root account then?06:16
kapputuxorg has synaptics driver?06:16
orospakrkapputu, yes.06:16
kapputuI'm changing to xorg06:16
lunitikpoyayan: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo tells you how...06:16
kapputuanything I should do before that06:16
moetiaok I am trying to install the macromedia flashplayer for ubuntu.... I have the program downloaded it is in the form of .gz06:17
crimsunlunitik: Christian has for debian-marilliat for some time.06:17
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poyayanyeah I know how I just don't do it06:17
moetiawhat is the command to tar ????06:17
crimsunlunitik: http://debian.video.free.fr/  has more info.06:17
orospakrwhy would a Yukon Gigabit ethernet adapter on amd64 with kernel 2.6.10 give piss-poor performance (roughtly 800 ko/s on a 100mbit link)?06:17
poyayanI like using sudo -s06:17
Amaranthlunitik: You'll have to just download and install it.06:17
kapputuanything I need to do before changing to xorg?06:17
lunitikmoetia: tar.gz or .bz2?06:17
wgandhii cannot enable render with Xorg.. My error file says /dev/dri/card* does not exist..06:17
moetiagz06:17
moetiatar.gz06:17
lunitikcrimsun: ahh... thanks06:17
kapputuhullo06:17
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sss_lrsuc06:18
moetialunitik, the file is flashplayer.tar.gz06:19
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lunitikmoetia: tar -xzf fla[tab] 06:19
wgandhiirc://irc.debian.org/XFree8606:19
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helloyois the preview a big stepup from the arrays?06:20
Amaranthwtf was that?06:20
kapputugreat evolution crashes now06:20
lunitikAmaranth: was what?06:20
raghumoetia: tar -zxvf  flashplayer.tar.gz06:20
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Amaranthwghandi linked to #XFree86 then left06:21
lunitikraghu: eh... he needn't use verbos... just farts out a bunch of crap he won't understand anyways  :/06:21
moetiaraghu... that did not work...06:21
helloyowhats with the major releases being 4.10 and 5.04 instead of 4.0 and 5.0?06:22
crimsunhelloyo: year.month06:22
raghumoetia: it should work otherwise you are tar file is damaged..06:22
helloyocrimsun, oh thanks!06:22
helloyohelloyo, thought they were just being difficult06:23
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crimsunthere is a method to the madness.06:23
Mad-boyHello06:23
Mad-boyeverybody06:23
crimsunhello.06:23
Mad-boyCan anybody tell me how to change my display refresh rate?06:24
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crimsunMad-boy: warty or hoary?06:24
lunitikMad-boy: you might be able to do it simply by fireing up System > Preferences > Screen Resolution...06:25
moetiaok .. i got the file to extract, but now i cannot install the flash-installer... ERROR: Your architecture, \'x86_64\', is not supported by the06:25
moetia       Macromedia Flash Player installer.06:25
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Mad-boyi go there but it only gives me one option of 75hz06:25
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Mad-boybut i need moer06:25
Mad-boybut i need more06:25
lunitikMad-boy: else... you might need to edit VSync and HSync in /etc/X11/[xorg.conf,XF86Config-4] 06:26
moetiai cannot install this on a 64 bit proccessor?06:26
lunitikgrrr06:26
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lunitikMad-boy: else... you might need to edit VSync and HSync in /etc/X11/[xorg.conf,XF86Config-4] 06:26
Mad-boygmmm......06:26
kapbuntumoetia: it looked to me like there was an amd-64 ver06:26
sproingiemoetia: you're out of luck06:26
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kapbuntubut I'm new to kubuntu06:26
sproingiethere's a free flash player for amd64, but it's not that good06:27
kapbuntuI know the Debian port isn't fully release quality yet06:27
lunitikmoetia: bitch at Macromedia  ;)06:27
kapbuntukde 3.4 is pretty sweet06:27
sproingieit's a library, so 32 bit compat doesnt do any good06:27
Mad-boyand another question why ubuntu cant play mp3`s?06:27
NobleArcah, everything is working beautifully.  Thanks guys.06:27
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lunitikkapbuntu: uhh... the Kubuntu packages = Debian Qt/KDE Maintainers efforts with very little else.06:27
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sproingieyou'd have to install a whole 32 bit chroot for the browser and all its libs to run the flash plugin06:28
sproingieprobably not worth it06:28
crimsunMad-boy: /wiki/RestrictedFormats06:28
kapputuxorg is definitely faster06:28
crimsunMad-boy: essentially, enable Universe and add 'gstreamer0.8-mad'06:28
Mad-boyi dont know how to do that06:29
Mad-boy=] 06:29
Mad-boyi am new on linux06:29
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helloyoMad-boy, www.ubuntuguide.org06:29
desrtso i install the java packages... yet the browser does not see them06:29
crimsunMad-boy: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats06:30
lunitikMad-boy: what crimsun said... wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats06:30
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lunitikcrimsun: >:|   heh... you shoulda wrote that first time  ;)06:30
stuNNedcrimsun: how's it going mate?06:30
wgandhiUbuntu Help06:31
crimsunstuNNed: n'bad, yourself?06:31
lunitikdesrt: you symlink the libsomeshitwithtoomanyletters to /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins?06:31
wgandhihas anyone created /dev/dri/card* on their system?06:31
desrtlunitik; no.  i expect it to happen automatically06:32
crimsunwgandhi: what video card do you have?06:32
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stuNNedcrimsun: not bad, just watched a smoothwall install die on a 1000mb nic card and might be getting some work installing a linux server later on06:32
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wgandhii have a i916GM board06:32
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pestilencecould somebody tell me how to forward a port on 127.0.0.1 to some other address?06:32
stuNNedcrimsun: and *really* impressed with how ubuntu is coming along, minus the crap of a power management my laptop has06:32
wgandhii mean i915GM board.. (intel internal graphics)06:32
lunitikdesrt: ln -s /usr/java/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins06:32
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lunitikheh... appears they changed the name of that lib for 1.5.x though...06:33
wgandhii have everything working.. got latest Xorg snapshot for the drivers..06:33
FR500hello06:33
crimsunwgandhi: lsmod|grep ^i81006:33
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ace2001acdo you have to use a chroot for statically compiled 32-bit binaries on a 64-bit kernel?06:33
lunitikace2001ac: yes06:33
kapputugdesklets don't work06:34
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ace2001aclunitik, is there a faq for doing that on ubuntu?06:34
kapbuntuis ubuntu's xorg built with composite extensions?06:34
wgandhicrimsun: actually I have loaded the i915 DRM module..06:34
crimsunkapbuntu: yep. You just need to manually add the extensions section to /etc/X11/xorg.conf, restart gdm, and load xcompmgr06:34
wgandhilsmod | grep 915 yields :i915                   21504  006:35
wgandhidrm                    69396  1 i91506:35
kapbuntucrimsun: can I do that with the live cd?06:35
kapbuntucrimsun: when I kill x it reboots06:35
crimsunkapbuntu: I don't think /etc is read-write on the livecd, but I haven't used the hoary preview livecd yet06:35
lunitikcalc: you around?06:35
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kapbuntucrimsun: yeah, im using kubuntu also, so things are prob even more screwy06:36
calclunitik: yes06:36
calclunitik: whats up?06:36
lunitikcalc: care to help ace2001ac with 32bit chroot on 64bit sys?06:36
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crimsunwgandhi: ok, and any warnings/errors in /var/log/Xorg.0.log?06:37
ace2001aclunitik, np06:37
calclunitik: hmm i didn't setup a chroot myself i just unpacked the few libraries i needed into /usr/local/lib3206:37
ace2001aclunitik, just got the box setup yesterday and decided to put ubuntu on it :)06:37
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calcace2001ac: you can create a chroot using debootstrap06:38
lunitikcalc: hmm... know any docs that might be useful... he just wants flash I think...06:38
kapbuntucrimsun: render won't work with the nv driver anyhow, right?06:38
calclunitik: not that i know of06:39
crimsunkapbuntu: sure it will06:39
kapbuntucrimsun: I mean composite06:39
ace2001aclunitik, i wouldn't mind flash but I'm trying to run mprime (Mersenne.org)06:39
wgandhicrimsun: not really anything serious.. some font paths not found..06:39
calcthe lack of flash is good enough reason to get rid of 32bit compatibility ;)06:39
crimsunkapbuntu: it will, but it's very, very, very sluggish06:39
kapputui'm having problems with wine06:39
kapputuunable to grep msdos.sys06:39
kapbuntucrimsun: I just want to check it out, my test machine here is slow anyhow06:39
kapbuntudamn kapputu, I thought I said that for a second :)06:40
crimsunace2001ac: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebootstrapChroot06:40
ace2001acand btw to all the ubuntu developers out there, it rocks :)06:40
lunitikcalc: haha  :)06:40
ace2001accrimsun, thanks06:41
calcace2001ac: the static linked mprime should run without a chroot06:41
lunitikcrimsun: *cough* wiki.ubuntu.com/Page is less typing *cough*  ;P06:41
crimsunwgandhi: but no messages regarding drm/dri?06:41
crimsunlunitik: I highlight and secondary-click ;-)06:41
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lunitikcrimsun: haha... saves even more time  8)06:42
wgandhiwell no error messages till we get to (EE) I810(0): [dri]  DRIScreenInit failed. Disabling DRI.06:42
wgandhibefore that all I had was /dev/dri/card* does not exist..06:42
crimsunwgandhi: that's a start to debugging. Is it a version mismatch?06:42
da_bon_bonhi all06:42
calchmm odd the static linked mprime still segfaults06:42
ace2001accalc, hmm... it segfaults06:43
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ace2001accalc, yeah06:43
wgandhihow do i check for a version mismatch?06:43
calcace2001ac: i doubt that it would work in a chroot either then06:43
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calcnot sure wtf it would segfault for the static version06:43
wgandhimy kernel is 2.6.11.2 and I am using 0225 snapshot for the dri/drm drives..06:43
crimsunwgandhi: e.g., the version of the drm used needs to be built specifically for your kernel _and_ it needs to match what the X server requires.06:44
kapputuunable to grep msdos.sys error with winesetup06:44
da_bon_bonhey all, how do increase the space on my / partition ? resizing the partition ?06:44
wgandhii compiled my kernel last nite.. used the drm module from the kernel..06:44
ace2001accalc, guess i can use the regular one in a chroot then :)06:45
lunitikkapputu: what are you trying to run?06:45
mhandlI just instaled new HOARY and sound card doesnt work. Is here anybody with the same problem ?06:45
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kapputunothing06:45
kapputuI was just trying to configure wine06:45
calcace2001ac: maybe however the regular one had all its needed libraries installed as well and it segfaulted too06:45
crimsunwgandhi: and is the i915 module also from your 2.6.11.2 tree?06:45
calcace2001ac: i think the program is just buggy06:45
crimsunmhandl: what sound card do you have?06:45
ace2001accalc, ah, thanks for the quick check06:46
kapputuhow do I run something?06:46
ace2001accalc, i guess i can try compiling it :)06:46
lunitikkapputu: wine some.exe06:46
wgandhiyup.. from the 2.6.11.2 tree.. however how do I make the Xserver match?06:46
romhow do i delete a repository with cvs?06:46
kappututried IE06:47
kapputudin't work06:47
mhandlcrimsun: on board via82XX, however I have additional Audigy in other PCI slot, and can not  get any response from via06:47
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calcace2001ac: a 64bit version may end up running a lot faster anyway06:47
crimsunmhandl: which do you prefer being your primary card?06:47
ratl3hi06:47
ace2001accalc, well, not sure if the code runs well for 64-bit or if it compiles, but i'll have to give it a try06:48
wgandhicrimsun: thanx for ur input I will try and compile the drm module from the Xorg snapshot I have been using...06:48
lunitikmhandl: I am using snd-via82xx ... seems to work here... only after restart though... probably could just restart alsa though...06:48
ratl3i'd like to congrat you guys on a great distribution06:48
moetiai need help getting java plugin to work with firefox06:48
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moetiai have followed the instructions but the plugin is not working06:48
ratl3ya, java needs some work06:49
mhandlcrimsun: via is preferable06:49
Bicchiwhat makes ubuntu different from mandrake, fedora or perhaps other distros.06:49
calcerm the source isn't source06:49
ratl3you need to create a symlink moetia06:49
ace2001acBicchi, it's Debian based and Debian rocks :)06:49
calcits not open source, it just acts like it is06:49
calcits just a bunch of compiled object files that you link together06:50
moetiai have made a sym link in the root06:50
moetiawhere do i need to put it?06:50
lunitikmoetia: download the .bin... chmod +x it ... ./the.bin ... ln -s path/to/libjava/plugin /usr/lib/mozlla-firefox/plugins/06:50
kapputuhow do I set the resolution in wine06:50
moetiaok06:50
lunitikmoetia: here its: ln -s /usr/java/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins06:50
Bicchiwhy is ubuntu only one cd while other linux distro contain 3 and more cds of stuff.06:50
lunitikBicchi: CD's only contain main and restricted... whereas most distro's include EVERYTHING you will NEVER use...06:51
kapputucool I got firefox working06:51
moetialunitik... is that path going to work on an amd 64?06:51
poyayanhey has anyone tried using the java-gcj-compat package?06:51
poyayanseems like it uses gcc406:51
lunitikmoetia: gah... I don't think there is a 64bit java.06:51
kapputubut still I can't connect to the school webmail06:51
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moetiamy os is 64 bit06:51
Bicchilunitik: so what is included in the cd then.06:51
kapbuntucrimsun: hey to let you know, the composite stuff works on the livecd (at least kubuntu)06:52
lunitikBicchi: main and restricted?06:52
kapbuntushadows too06:52
kapbuntuI just added Composite and RENDER06:52
Bicchilunitik: but does the cd come with packages like word processing and other good stuff?06:52
lunitikBicchi: heh... basically ubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-base ... although thats not very enlightening either...06:52
kapbuntuit is ass slow though06:52
lunitikBicchi: OpenOffice.org06:53
da_bon_bonhow do i add space to my / partition ? resize it ?06:53
lunitikda_bon_bon: man parted06:53
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da_bon_bonlunitik: is qtparted ok ?06:53
lunitikda_bon_bon: its a crapy frontend for parted...06:53
Bicchilunitik: so openoffice comes with it or must be downloaded separate from the installation cd06:53
lunitikBicchi: come with...06:53
ratl3did you get it from their site or a apt source?06:54
ratl3an06:54
ratl3well, mandrake aren't open source either in your definition06:54
ratl3or fedora06:54
ratl3calc06:54
ratl3i mean, i use gentoo06:54
ratl3but my grandma sure couldn't06:54
Bicchilunitik: so where do i find if i need additional packages.06:54
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lunitikratl3: umm... yes they are... you can download src.rpm's for both.06:54
crimsunkapbuntu: excellent06:54
calchuh?06:54
lunitikBicchi: you look via apt...06:54
Bicchilunitik: so apt is like a browser for software?06:55
lunitikBicchi: apt is god06:55
calcapt doesn't browse06:55
lunitikBicchi: it like... gets stuff06:55
bryansudo apt-get update06:55
da_bon_bonBicchi: aptitude is what u want. or better still, synaptic06:55
bryansudo apt-cache search whatever06:55
ratl3can't you download the deb sources for ubuntu too06:55
lunitikratl3: sure06:55
ratl3i was talking about how calc said ubuntu wasn't open source because it doesn't come with the source06:56
lunitikratl3: the 'deb-src' packages provide them...06:56
ratl3ya, exactly06:56
calcratl3: you weren't following the conversation i was having06:56
ratl3oh06:56
calci said that mprime isn't open source06:56
calci was talking to ace2001ac06:56
ratl3well, i was wrong then06:56
ratl3sorry about that06:56
calcin their "source" tarball they only include the object files06:56
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Bicchilunitik, da_bon_bon: so lets just say i want to download apache. can i use apt for that and does it downloads the latest source?06:57
calcnp06:57
kappututrying to configure evolution, what would be the OWA url?06:57
lunitikBicchi: umm... yes06:57
lunitikBicchi: on all accounts.06:57
da_bon_bonBicchi: man apt, sudo synaptic06:57
ratl3is mprime a distributed prime client?06:57
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calcratl3: its the GIMPS one06:57
lunitikda_bon_bon: I don't think he has Ubuntu installed... else he wouldn't be asking such questions imo06:57
ratl3hmm06:57
da_bon_bonlunitik: i agree06:58
calcit claims to be in asm but then it should still include the asm source, not .o files ;)06:58
lunitikda_bon_bon: so man apt synaptic won't do much good  ;)06:58
da_bon_bon:)06:58
Bicchilinitik, da_bon_bon: i do not have ubuntu installed yet06:58
lunitikBicchi: we figured that.06:58
=== calc bbl
da_bon_bonBicchi: then what do i want ? are u installing it ?06:59
ratl3are you using linux Bicchi?06:59
lunitikBicchi: you should install it... you're asking rather silly questions.06:59
ratl3currently?06:59
lunitikratl3: he just said no.06:59
ratl3he said no to ubuntu06:59
Bicchimy questions are related se what ubuntu is about and mayor diff. from other distros.06:59
Bicchiyes, mandrake07:00
ratl3ahh07:00
ratl3isn't mandrake kde based?07:00
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Bicchikde is the default07:00
ratl3been a while07:00
lunitikBicchi: compared to Mandrake... for one, better mirrors... you can use Synaptic for any package needs... Ubuntu is GNOME...07:00
ratl3latest gnome packages too07:01
calcand there is also kubuntu for kde desktop07:01
Bicchii kind of like kde better but i am sure it can be installed instead of gnome07:01
lunitikBicchi: Mandrakes Control Panel won't be around either of course... but GNOME offers some simular tools... probably all that you'll need.07:01
lunitikBicchi: you probably want Kubuntu though instead07:01
ratl3what version of gnome does mandrake have?07:02
lunitikratl3: 2.8.1 afaik07:02
lunitikratl3: distrowatch.com ...07:02
ratl3oh, that's not that bad07:02
ratl3cool, thanks07:02
calchoary out in ~ 3 weeks will have gnome 2.1007:02
lunitikratl3: eh... 2.10.0 was released  :/07:02
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ratl3ya, running it07:03
zenroxgnome 2.10 rocks07:03
da_bon_bonsome guy once told me a boot cd called harish or hashim boot cd that has PM8 on it. anyone know ?07:03
lunitikcalc: chicken... install hoary!  :D07:03
ratl3ya, hoary is nice07:03
calclunitik: i've been running hoary since it was branched07:03
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lunitikcalc: no issues right now... everything is stable upstream :)07:03
zenroxratl3,  ya hoary if actualy really stabel07:03
lunitikcalc: same here  :)07:03
ratl3i had to manually configure xorg with my mobile ati card07:03
romcan anyone here help me with gcvs?07:03
ratl3shrug07:03
ratl3the only problem i had07:04
kapputuhoary is great07:04
lunitikrom: I think most people here use bazaar ... a svn frontend/clone/doohikey07:04
kapputubut the 2.6.10 is giving me trouble07:04
kapputucan't use the acx100 driver for my wireless card07:05
lunitikkapputu: I don't advise 2.6.11 then...07:05
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ratl3oh, it was much better than that 2.8 crap07:05
kapputuI wnet back to 2.6.807:05
da_bon_bonsome guy once told me a boot cd called harish or hashim boot cd that has PM8 on it. anyone know ?07:05
ratl3i would unplug the power from my laptop and it would lock up the computer07:05
ratl3well, i could still ssh into it07:05
lunitikratl3: then it wasn't locked up... maybe X was?  :/07:06
da_bon_bongot it! hirens boot cd! YAY!07:06
ratl3no, it was the mouse and the keyboard07:06
difektacan anyone give me a sample fstab line to mount /dev/hdb1 and allow users to access it?07:06
difektamy current one is only accessible by root.07:06
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lunitikdifekta: /dev/hdb1 /some/where/here fs_type defaults 0 0 should work..07:07
kapputuok guess I'll go to sleep07:07
ratl3ya07:07
kapputuhad great fun with ubuntu today07:07
lunitikdifekta: won't be ro etc  :/07:07
difektahmm..07:07
difektai have essentially that now.07:07
kapputuc ya all07:07
difektait's ntfs if that means anything.07:07
ratl3oh!07:07
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ratl3um...07:07
BiteMeBilldifekta: http://ubuntuguide.org/#windows07:08
lunitikdifekta: gah... then it needs to be read only  :/07:08
ratl3have you heard of mount everything?07:08
ratl3you can use a ext3 partition in windows07:08
ratl3reiser too i think07:08
difektawindows?07:08
lunitikratl3: but thats not what he is trying to do...07:08
difektai don't use windows.07:08
lunitikratl3: he is attempting the other way around.07:08
ratl3why do you have an ntfs partition then?07:09
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lunitikdifekta: see what BiteMeBill said.07:09
mhandllunitik: thx for help with SND, I just modified modules, restarted ALSA, works like magic now.07:09
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lunitikmhandl: cool... it wasn't loading snd-via82xx?07:09
lunitikmhandl: not sure why you'd need to modify modules? glad its working for you now though  :)07:10
DarthFrogAnyone know how to force Synaptic to install a package?  I want to install QTParted.  Synaptic complains that it needs libqtparted1.6-0 (>=1.6.0) but is not installable.  However, libparted1.6-12 is already installed!07:10
mhandllunitik: no, not by default , dunno why, previews version did it without that.07:10
BROKEN_LADDERoh, the umask. duh07:11
zenroxlol07:11
ratl3what it not readable to users?07:11
ratl3oh07:11
crimsunDarthFrog: libqtparted1.6-0 vs. libparted1.6-12?07:12
ratl3man, the dvorak mistyping whole words has leaked into my qwerty use07:12
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=== lunitik wonders why people put '-o umask=0222' when you can do '-o ro' and have same result?
DarthFrogcrimsun: No. libparted, not libqtparted.07:12
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crimsunDarthFrog: What does libparted1.6-12 already being installed have to do with libqtparted1.6-0?07:13
DarthFrogcrimsun: Ah.  The actual installed version is libparted1.6.20-0.exp.2ubuntu207:13
ratl3heh, you can write to it07:13
crimsunDarthFrog: there ya go07:13
ratl3just don't change the file size of the file you are writing to07:13
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DarthFrogcrimsun: there is no libqtparted.  It has nothing to do with this.07:14
lunitikratl3: ntfs driver doesn't support it without external kernel patches07:14
crimsunDarthFrog: that's precisely what I'm saying07:14
DarthFrogcrimsun: Ah, I see.  My mistake earlier.07:14
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DarthFrogcrimsun: s/libparted/libqtparted/g :-)07:14
crimsun:-)07:14
ratl3really, i thought experimental write support was in the vanilla kernel07:14
ratl3i havn't patched my kernel that much07:15
ace2001acis the chroot package in main/restricted or one of the others?07:15
lunitikratl3: look at /boot/config-`uname -r` ... I don't think its enabled..07:15
DarthFrogcrimsun: Anyway, do you know how to force Synaptic to install a package with unmet dependencies?07:15
crimsunDarthFrog: I don't know how to force Synaptic to, no; I use aptitude for those things.07:16
lunitikratl3: # CONFIG_NTFS_RW is not set <-- what mine says...07:16
crimsunDarthFrog: are you absolutely certain you wish to force installation of a version? Often that leads to weeping and gnashing of teeth.07:16
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ratl3writing support is in my kernel07:17
DarthFrogcrimsun: Actually, I'm thinking again about it.  Normally, I'd be willing to live with the consequence.  But if a partition editor screws up, the consequences are a tad more serious. :-)07:17
eclipsewhich one is better to use: XFS or ReiserFS?07:17
ratl32.10 vanilla07:17
DarthFrogeclipse: Man, that's a loaded question.  What are you going to use the partition for?07:17
crimsuneclipse: your call. My vote would be for the former, but I tend to stack my filesystem with multimedia files.07:18
eclipsewell, everyday use i would say07:18
lunitikratl3: /exec -o cat /boot/config-`uname -r` | grep NTFS  <-- type into channel07:18
ratl3i'm on ubuntu07:18
ratl3i don't know about the ubunto kernel07:18
DarthFrogeclipse: Then reisrefs.  XFS is great for monster file systems, and for streaming multimedia.07:18
ratl3ubuntu07:18
Myrttierhm. I installed KDE yesterday and I noticed I couldn't get my music in a windows machine via samba to play07:18
lunitikratl3: I just pasted what the default kernel says.07:18
MyrttiIt does play on the same software on Gnome, though07:19
ratl3i just did a make menuconfig in my kernel dir07:19
eclipsei like to listen to mp3's and what videos07:19
ratl3heh07:19
eclipseso which one is better?07:19
DarthFrogeclipse: For your use, reiser.07:19
eclipseDarthFrog: thnx07:19
lunitikDarthFrog: I thought reiser was better with small files?07:20
DarthFrogeclipse: if you were editing movies (i.e. at a movie studio, not home flicks) XFS.07:20
ratl3what would be better for a myth tv machine07:20
DarthFroglunitik: it is.07:20
ratl3i've been leaning xfs07:20
lunitikDarthFrog: I guess my definition of 'small file' is warped then  ;)07:20
eclipsewell, can i still use XFS?07:20
DarthFrogratl3: I have a myth machine, running reiser.  I wish I had put XFS on it.  XFS is faster at deleting large files.07:20
lunitikeclipse: its not supported by grub, so /boot can't use XFS.07:20
MyrttiI think I'll uninstall KDE07:20
ratl3hmm07:21
ratl3ok07:21
ratl3ya, that's what i was going to put on it07:21
ratl3just seeing what everyone else though07:21
ratl3t07:21
desrtso... is 'universe' debian-packaged stuff?07:21
eclipselunitik: but i don't use /boot partition07:21
lunitikeclipse: if I was you... I would use XFS on /home, and ext3 of /07:22
DarthFroglunitik: no, your definition is fine.   reiser can pack "tails" of files into a single extent.  This is an efficient use of file space.07:22
crimsundesrt: generally, but modified for Ubuntu where necessary.07:22
romi am creating a shell script that mounts all the smb shares on my network, how can i make it so i dont need 'sudo' in front of all the lines?07:22
eclipsewell i've been using reiser for a while now so i'm gonna test xfs and see what happens07:22
ratl3is reiser4 ok yet?07:23
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DarthFrogcrimsun: Heh, I found gparted in Synaptic.  Don't need qtparted afterall. :-)07:23
lunitikcrimsun: can 'smbfs' things go into fstab?07:23
crimsunlunitik: sure. Whether you'd want to is another story.07:24
ratl3hmm, is there a live cd with gparted on it?07:24
lunitikcrimsun: haha... ok  :P07:24
lunitikratl3: as far as I know, its not currently used by Ubuntu.07:24
lunitikratl3: still 3 afaik07:25
ratl3nah, reiser 4 would be crazy in ubuntu right now07:25
ratl3i guess i just wanna play with it on my gentoo machine07:25
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Myrttilunitik: easy, try it07:26
lunitikWhy do so many people come in here stating Gentoo  :'(07:26
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ratl3i'm sorry07:27
lunitikMyrtti: *hugs XChat* ... she'd hate me  :(07:27
lunitik:P07:27
cafuegorom: make users run 'sudo script' or really, just mount the shares at bootup.07:27
Myrttilunitik: http://irssi.org/themes/roses.png07:27
Myrtti<307:28
Seqlunitik: if it makes you feel any better, im a gentoo convert07:28
stuNNedcrimsun: what should i use as cd burning app if i want to get rid of k3b?07:28
zenroxstuNNed, graveman07:28
crimsunstuNNed: graveman?07:28
ratl3graveman?07:28
ratl3i haven't heard of that07:29
Seqgraveman07:29
lunitikSeq: I switched my instructor to Ubuntu (at least briefly...)07:29
stuNNedman of the grave then it is !07:29
romcafuego, i dont think sudo script works plus this is a comp and only want to mount the shares if they are actually connected to this comp and can be mounted07:29
zenroxlol07:29
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lunitikSeq: ... from Gentoo... and another from Fedora... still to convert one from RH7.3 though (GRR  >:| )07:29
Seqlunitik: all of my *nix using classmates are really impressed with hoary, but they arn't using it yet themselves07:29
ratl3i'm on ubuntu07:30
stuNNedlunitik: hehehe07:30
romlol gw ratl307:30
ratl3i like it better on my laptop07:30
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MyrttiI love my irssi, even more now that I added a bitlbee server connection on it07:30
romanother q, why isnt setenv working?07:31
lunitikratl3: *g* but Gentoo contains the same source code... you can't get it working right on your laptop? I guess compiling yourself isn't always the answer?07:31
ratl3does graveman support flac?07:31
zenroxratl3,  find out07:31
lunitikratl3: it supports audio files... it doesn't care what type they are  :/07:31
lunitikratl3: cdrecord --audio  :/07:31
ratl3a 700mhz computer07:31
ratl3i was wondering if it transcoded to wavs or raw files07:32
lunitikratl3: eh... means nothing... how much RAM is the question...07:32
ratl3for compiling it does07:32
ratl3just a pain in the ass07:32
lunitikratl3: eh... still talking about Gentoo in #ubuntu?07:32
ratl3hah07:33
ratl3sorry07:33
ratl3i'll stop talking about gentoo07:33
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zenroxratl3,  if you like why not convert07:33
zenroxerr like this channel07:33
ratl3on my desktop?07:33
zenroxyes07:33
Seqratl3: REPENT!07:33
ratl3nah, i'd rather not07:33
=== lunitik thinks people become so adament about Gentoo during compile time... trying to convince themselves its a good idea takes dedication...
zenroxlunitik,  thats why i dint like it 7 days to get it whrare i wanted it07:34
Seqi should admit though, i do actually have gentoo on my desktop07:34
bryanonce i was at my friends house who uses gentoo, he'd never heard about firefox before, so he went to compile it, took like 3 hours07:34
zenroxand i had a fast cpu07:34
bryani left laughing07:34
DarthFroglunitik: I have Gentoo on a testbed machine.  I don't seem to do anything with it other than compiling updates. :-)07:34
factotumeh, if i where to consider gentoo, id just go bsd for the fun of it07:34
lunitikDarthFrog: so its one of your more productive boxes?  :)07:35
_4strOyop yop07:35
stuNNedgentoo makes good for small package set imho07:35
zenroxi have a copy of solaris 10 x8607:35
DarthFroglunitik: Considering that it's just for testing, it's productive enough. :-)07:35
lunitikfactotum: pkg_add can use binary files.07:35
zenroxant bine willing to install it yet07:35
factotumi know07:36
lunitikzenrox: I had a copy... didn't much like it.07:36
zenroxfirst off the install was slow07:36
ratl3ya, the build pkg thing is nice07:36
zenroxthen wanted to use its partion manger insted of linuxs07:36
ratl3gentoo is like linux from scratch but with a package manager07:36
lunitikzenrox: installation took like 3 hours (you HAVE to install all 4 discs) ... then I had to fiddle with 3rd party NIC drivers... pain in the butt... it supports like 10 NICs on x86  :/07:37
bryananyone tried OO Defrag for linux yet?07:37
factotumim just saying if i where to go distro-hopping again, i might as well go back to fbsd07:37
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lunitikfactotum: I seem to use the Linux compatibility stuff a lot on fbsd... heh07:38
DarthFrogGentoo is a lovely distro for folks who like that sort of thing. :-)07:38
ratl3or.. OSX?07:38
ratl3hah07:38
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zenroxi ant really ready to try unix07:38
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huwrWhen Hoary comes out I can just apt-get it, right?07:38
bryancool, if you put your mouse over the virtual desktop thing on the bottom panel and scroll your mouse wheel it changes desktops :D07:38
zenroxhuwr, yes07:38
ratl3you can do that now huwr07:38
factotumwell yea, an os needs apps07:38
DarthFroghuwr: apt-get dist-upgrade07:38
lunitikhuwr: umm... yes07:38
ratl3it's working great for me07:38
zenroxya the preview is out07:39
huwrexcellent.07:39
huwrCheers.07:39
Seqratl3: yeah, but it's not quite stabalized07:39
huwrWell, I used to do that with Debian, I was wondering if it worked with this as well. I thought it would.07:39
huwrAnyway.07:39
huwrThanks, guys.07:39
DarthFroghuwr: Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list file first.  Change warty to hoary.07:39
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ratl3it's ok07:39
stuNNedcrimsun: can graveman do iso's or just rely on nautilus for that?07:39
icemanThey there, can anyone help plz07:39
factotumgnu is a seperate entitiy, linux, bsd, herd, whatever are just different OS's to run its software07:39
zenroxstuNNed,  ya it should07:39
lunitikzenrox: with Debian based distro's, new versions are irrelivant... its why so many don't care about Sarge...07:39
DarthFrogfactotum: Wrongo, reindeer lover.07:39
huwrDarthFrog, shouldn't I just wait for Hoary to come out and just run apt-get dist-upgrade?07:40
lunitikzenrox: the DD's are very good about not b0rking things during upgrades mostly07:40
DarthFroghuwr: Your call.  Hoary is in the release candidate stage.07:40
factotumDarthFrog, alright LOL, i must be interpriting what I read incorrectly heh07:40
lunitikhuwr: why not do it now? stable enough  :/07:40
ratl3hmm, it doesn't say anything about flacs on the graveman site07:40
DarthFrogfactotum: Hurd is a kernel, not an OS.07:40
Seqlunitik: its still got tonnes of update every time i check (every two or so days)07:41
factotumnot suprised, havent read much on hurd07:41
lunitikratl3: graveman is just a pretty gui for cdrecord... doesn't care so long as libflac is installed.07:41
huwrlunitik, because i'm a freak and these are pretty mission machines that I don't want to root. ;)07:41
huwranyway, bye.07:41
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zenroxlunitik,  ya but i was impressed with its abilty to run a 1 location updated kernel for a net work boot and i was going to put ubuntu it like that and see if i can get it to net boot07:41
ratl3really it has support for libflac?07:41
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zenroxlunitik,  off of a solaris 10 sys07:42
zenroxi want a sun machine07:42
lunitikratl3: its clueless about format, it could care less.07:42
zenroxreally bad07:42
ratl3some of the other gnome burning apps crashed on flacs07:42
MyNameIsChrisAnyone here using the audio on an ich5 southbridge?07:42
ratl3coaster07:42
DarthFrogfactotum: The Free Software Foundation considers GNU to be the OS itself.  They are developing the Hurd kernel for GNU.  They consider Linux to just be a kernel for the GNU system.07:42
factotumreindeer lover?07:42
DarthFrogfactotum: You had to be there. :-)07:42
factotumah07:42
lunitikzenrox: nothing really impressed me about Solaris 10... I mean, its not slow like people have said, but hardware support is a joke...07:43
zenroxlunitik,  ya i agree07:43
icemanTi had debian installed on my system including windoze, and lilo installed in the mbr.....i wiped out debian and installed ubuntu, the problem is that ubuntu installs grub by default, so when the installation finished and i rebooted, Lilo was still there, so i flushed the mbr , after i rebooted grub appeared and gave me an "error 22".....any ideas?07:43
zenroxsolaris is worse than gnu/linux07:43
lunitikzenrox: I also don't see much advantage in a SPARC over an x86 machine... other than the obvious... but they are very expensive machines...07:43
zenroxya07:43
factotumDarthFrog, huh, wierd. It's crazy to see how different groups opinionate what's the os, what's the kernel, even some cases of is there a difference07:44
DarthFrogfactotum:  The Free Software Foundation would refer to Ubuntu as Ubuntu GNU/Linux.07:44
zenroxbut ill never get one of thoes07:44
ratl3you need a live cd or a boot floppy icemanT07:44
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ratl3and you need to rebuild your mbr for grub07:44
Seqratl3: i believe graveman uses sox to convert audio07:44
ratl3oh, ok07:44
DarthFrogfactotum: It's not wierd, exactly. It's RMS' opinions and politics. :-)07:44
helio7does anyone have a good gpg keyserver they could recommend?  I'm thinking google isn't the best place to find one07:44
icemanTratl3: the thing is i reinstalled ubuntu again, still the same problem07:44
Seqratl3: is that on your gentoo machine? if I recall, there was a libflac bug in their bugzilla that caused things like gstreamer to crash when trying to use flac files07:45
ratl3ya, it was07:45
icemanTi also tried the expert mode, and tried installing lilo instead of grub,the installation froze during lilo07:45
DarthFrogfactotum: RMS is Richard Matthew Stallman.  GNU and the FSF are  his babies.07:45
ratl3hmm, i was attributing it to the mono shit07:45
icemanTim installing hoari07:45
factotumDarthFrog, yea, im still getting used to that. The opinions vs. headlines lol.07:45
lunitikSeq: hmm... well, its a dep... but likely only to depend libflac and others...07:45
Amaranthhow can mono affect libflac?07:46
ratl3the program07:46
Amaranthwhich?07:46
ratl3coaster07:46
Amaranthoh07:46
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Amaranthcoast is C :)07:46
DarthFrogfactotum: RMS and the FSF made the GNU system.  It was pretty much complete in the early ninties other than needing a kernel.  Linus Torvalds took GNU and added his kernel to it.07:46
Amaranthuses libburn isntead of cdrecord07:46
factotumi dumped redmond about a year ago. Just happen to like this more. Now I'm at the point of trying to understand who's involved, where and what everything is.07:46
ratl3oh, well, the mono one07:47
ratl3can't remember it's name07:47
DarthFrogfactotum: the combo at first was called Freax, then was renamed Linux.07:47
Amaranththere is a C# cd burner?07:47
ratl3i think07:47
SeqAmaranth: i don't understand your mono libflac question07:47
AmaranthSeq: Was asking ratl3, I misunderstood him.07:47
factotumDarthFrog, ah yea. I remember reading about that, gnu and the kernel07:47
Seqahhh07:48
factotumbaking-soda and vinigar heh07:48
ratl3gnomebaker07:48
ratl3that's the mono one07:48
zenroxfactotum,  haave you watched the 2 movies about linux and gnu opensourse07:48
lunitikDarthFrog: no... Linus first named his kernel 'Freax', but it was never released under that name... it was never assosiated with GNU however...07:48
factotumuh...movies?  cant say I have07:48
factotumsounds interesting though07:48
DarthFrogfactotum: about 5 or so years later, RMS realised that GNU and the FSF were being over-shadowed by Linux.  He's been trying to get everyone to acknowledge and honour him since then.  He absolutely insists that the system be called GNU/Linux.  At first, he tried to foist LiGNUx.  That went nowhere.07:49
zenroxfactotum,  the code, revoulition os07:49
DarthFroglunitik: Yes, I know.  The sysadmin at Helsinki renamed it Linux.07:49
ratl3Amaranth: did you get that? gnomebaker07:49
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Seqratl3: i never understood why people make cd burning apps that look like that07:50
DarthFrogfactotum: I agree that RMS and the FSF deserve a great deal of credit.  But I simply hate the name GNU/Linux.  It's ugly.  I also dislike the name Kubuntu.07:50
factotumDarthFrog, so is RMS just stomping his feet or is there merit to that feeling of being overshadowed?07:50
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lunitikDarthFrog: haha @ LiGNUx ... didn't know that... RMS should just leave the Acid alone!07:50
DarthFrogfactotum: Lots of merit.07:50
factotumi thought so07:50
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ratl3ya, i was trying to replace this k3b shit07:51
dazed||ootwhen setting up ubuntu....how do i not erase my windows partition and still install ubuntu? also i cant boot windows at this moment?07:51
DarthFroglunitik: Google it. :-)   I don't think anyone except RMS himself used the name LiGNUx.07:51
ratl3i was trying everything07:51
factotumi read a bit about his story with some printer drivers and how it kind of started out07:51
lunitikfactotum: there is merit to some extent... but I mean, its rediculous... what he wants to call "GNU/Linux", we actually call "Ubuntu" or "Fedora"...07:51
zenroxdazed||oot,  did ya slect auto partion07:51
DarthFroglunitik: And there was a great deal of resentment against him trying to change the name.  That's when he went to GNU/Linux.07:51
jnowi want install xorg07:51
Amaranthratl3: gnomebaker is _not_ C#07:51
dazed||oothow07:51
dazed||ootpartitioner comes up07:52
ratl3really?07:52
zenroxdazed||oot,  during the install07:52
lunitikDarthFrog: I think its better that we just say "Ubuntu"... that way, no one is happy, but everyone shuts up  :)07:52
factotumIt is kind of a hazy area, there hasn't really been a situation like this, that I know of, involving an OS or whatever anyone wants to call it07:52
DarthFroglunitik: Not quite right.  he has no problems with the names Fedora or Ubuntu.  Just not Fedora Linux or ubuntu Linux.  :-)07:52
dazed||ooti get a menu that says Configure software RAID ....Configure Logical Volume Manager.....Guided Partitioning...Help on Partitioning....then it says my HD with 19.9 NTFS07:52
Myrttimaking easy and simple things complicated07:52
Myrttiit's an os ffs07:53
lunitikDarthFrog: considering linux is actually such a small file in most cases... it should also be dropped imo07:53
factotumno one person is going to day "this is what it is, cut and dry" and have everyone not their head in agreement07:53
Seqgoogle search for "mono cd burner" is exactly not what i was looking for...07:53
ratl3Amaranth: my memory just made that up... i'm sorry07:53
factotumday/say07:53
DarthFroglunitik: Well, the trouble with that is, is that we need a unifying name.  And Linux is it.07:53
DarthFrogThe Ravening Beast of Redmond already has enough targets. :-)07:54
factotumzenrox, thanks for the movie titles07:54
lunitikSeq: ignore anyone that ever says "Mono has something for that"... just use graveman... its the best in the archive.07:54
zenroxdazed||oot,  welll dont do auto partions07:54
DarthFrogWe don't want the Unix wars all over again.07:54
jnowwhen install xorg ,it must uninstall more package ,why?07:54
dazed||ootzenrox: i get a menu that says Configure software RAID ....Configure Logical Volume Manager.....Guided Partitioning...Help on Partitioning....then it says my HD with 19.9 NTFS07:54
ratl3hey!07:54
Seqlunitik: i use nautilus cd burner, actually.07:54
zenroxdazed||oot,  your going to need to resize the partion07:54
dazed||oothow i have a knoppix live cd07:54
lunitikDarthFrog: "Ubuntu, LSB 2.0 Certified"07:54
zenroxdazed||oot,  and i dont know how to do that07:54
ratl3lunitik!07:54
lunitikratl3!07:55
factotumrabbits!07:55
dazed||ootanyone know how to resize a partition07:55
ratl3hah07:55
DarthFroglunitik: Too late for that.  The name Linux has the marketplace mindshare.07:55
factotumheh07:55
AmaranthAmaranth!07:55
lunitikdazed||oot: man parted07:55
lunitikDarthFrog: *kicks IBM in the nuts*07:55
DarthFrogdazed||oot: use gparted.07:55
Amaranthlunitik: IBM just jumped on the bandwagon, Linux was a known word before that07:56
ratl3what live cd has gparted on it?07:56
DarthFrogIBM did a lot more than simply jump on the bandwagon.07:56
ratl3is there a partition live cd?07:56
goldfishinstall cd07:56
goldfish:)07:56
lunitikAmaranth: not really... it was about as known as FreeBSD... tomorrow... ask 10 random people what FreeBSD is... hell, most still don't know what Linux is.07:56
DarthFrogIBM's support of Linux is of incalculable value.07:56
ratl3hah07:56
dazed||ooti cant boot up comp i only have a knoppix live disc07:56
jnoware there someone speak chinese?07:57
ratl3is qtparted on that?07:57
lunitikratl3: the LiveCD has parted07:57
dazed||ootratl307:57
dazed||ootyes07:57
DarthFrogGo to a Fortune 500 company and say, "It's officially supported by IBM".  That's credibility!07:57
lunitikdazed||oot: knoppix has qtparted07:57
dazed||ooti dunno how to use it07:57
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dazed||ooti get errors everytime i think im doing something07:58
factotumim just waiting for win to implode into nothing more than an over-hyped net tv knockoff07:58
DarthFrogfactotum: Not going to happen.  Ever.07:58
lunitikfactotum: never gonna happen07:58
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factotumah well, to dream then I guess ;)07:58
ratl3i think you mean implode into an unusable ad machine07:58
factotumyea more or less07:58
zenroxfactotum,  linux has also premated in software based dvd players ,sat recvers etc....07:59
zenroxwindows cant do that well07:59
factotumoh yes, so Ive seen07:59
DarthFrogMind you, if all the games that one could buy were to run on Linux, Windows would be really, really threatened.07:59
lunitikfactotum: perhaps, Microsoft will become irrelivant in the Server market... but too many people know Windows, and teach it.07:59
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dazed_once in qtparted what do i need to do?07:59
factotumlike their i-pod competitor that plays only .wmv07:59
ratl3god07:59
goldfishDarthFrog: Windows would be unused if that was the case :)07:59
ratl3i hate wmv07:59
DarthFrogdazed_: Back up your data!!!!!!07:59
factotumnot that i have an i-pod, I prefer the rio's myself, but cmon08:00
dazed_how lol!!!!08:00
DarthFroggoldfish: That's my point. :-)08:00
omniscienthey the past couple of days i've been trying to update hoary and keep getting errors with postfix, postfix-tls, and ubuntu-base, anyone else getting this?08:00
dazed_im so new to this partitioning stuff08:00
crimsunomniscient: are you using dist-upgrade?08:00
omniscientcrimsun, sure am08:00
dazed_i screwed it up once on my pc i cant screw it up on my laptop08:00
DarthFrogHoary uses  postfix, not exim?   Darn it.08:00
lunitikomniscient: 'apt-get dist-upgrade'08:00
Seqthe only thing I think we need is a good slideshow viewer to fit in with abiword, gnumeric, and the other "gnome office" apps08:00
ratl3do you have an extra hard drive dazed?08:00
omniscienti'm doing that08:00
goldfishDarthFrog: :)08:00
lunitikDarthFrog: warty uses postfix too  :/08:00
Amaranthlunitik: Lots of people already knew about Linux. All IBM did was give us commercials and another backer.08:01
DarthFroglunitik:  But I know and love Exim! :-)08:01
Seqonce "managers" can do their slide show presentations, everybody is "happy"08:01
ratl3openoffice 2 is sweet!08:01
factotumheh, got bored and alaised my apt-get dist-upgrade to pray08:01
abcd1234lol08:01
lunitikAmaranth: geeks knew about Linux before IBM got involved... well, maybe somewhat Oracle too...08:01
Seqratl3: yeah, but it's still huge and has some quirky issues08:01
ratl3ya, the gnome-vfs shit08:01
lunitikSeq: OOo is modular now it appears...08:02
dazed_Hey i got an error says 'Filesystem check failed! Windows wasn't shutdown properly or inconsistent'08:02
Amaranthlunitik: Any business running some form of UNIX knew about Linux, I can almost guarantee that.08:02
zenroxlunitik,  it was apache web server , then orical08:02
crimsunomniscient: I have postfix & postfix-tls installed but not ubuntu-base.08:02
Seqlunitik: to a point. it still takes a noticeable amount of time to launch08:02
dazed_can anyone help!?08:02
lunitikSeq: its beta... likely contains a lot of debugging stuff right now.08:03
factotumdazed_, you trying to dual-boot?08:03
dazed_yes factotum08:03
omniscientcrimsun, do you think these things missing will cause problems? well not missing, but not up to date08:03
factotumhmmph08:03
crimsunomniscient: will be fixed for release08:03
dazed_all i have is a knoppix live cd thats working right now08:03
dazed_my windows wont boot08:03
Seqlunitik: i doubt it will be amazingly better for load times on release08:03
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lunitikomniscient: you do what I said (apt-get dist-upgrade)08:04
omniscientcrimsun: cool. i was just wanting to update my laptop's install, i think i might just keep that on warty08:04
DarthFrogdazed_: Prepare to re-install Windows.08:04
lunitikSeq: it was pretty much the primary goal... so it better be!08:04
omniscientlunitik, i was doign that in the first place08:04
dazed_i dont have the disk DarthFrog08:04
dazed_:(08:04
ratl3can you boot into windows at all daazed_?08:04
dazed_no i get blue screen of death during boot sequence08:04
Seqlunitik: it doesn't look too modular to me.08:04
ratl3ouch08:04
factotumdazed_, a quick n dirty way is fdiskmbr with win boot cd, then i think reinstall grub?  Id have to sit and look at what you have for partition layout08:04
dazed_in safe mode and all forms of booting08:04
DarthFrogdazed_:  Yep, that's a re-install.08:05
dazed_damn08:05
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dazed_ill have to get my hands on a disc somehoe08:05
ratl3do you have any other computers around?08:05
dazed_somehow*08:05
Seqlunitik: openoffice.or2-core is 144MB ; openoffice.org2-writer is 3158kB08:05
bored2kI need help someone08:05
dazed_thoguht i had atleast 3 lieing around08:05
dazed_yes ratl3 im on my pc08:05
dazed_completely linux08:05
lunitikSeq: apt-cache search openoffice.org2 ... notice openoffice.org2-math, openoffice.org2-impress, openoffice.org2-writer ... modular  :/08:05
ratl3could you back up your files to it?08:05
bored2kHow can i erase/clear the history of my Run Applications panel [alt f2] ???08:06
dazed_yeah prolly08:06
dazed_i got enough room08:06
factotumthats how i switched, one fine day, on a crash-and-reinstall, slackware happened to be sitting closer to me. and i thought "what the hell, why not"08:06
dazed_i can prolly just get a windows disk tomorrow though08:06
lunitikSeq: look up definition of modular... also, like I said, its likely containing a lot of debugging right now...08:06
Seqlunitik: i will after you do08:06
ratl3ok, you're fine then08:06
factotumwent slack, fbsd, deb, ubu08:06
dazed_so ill do a windows repair tomorrow then setup a partition in a windows program and dual boot that way08:07
Seqlunitik: just because the binary for the 'writer' component is in a separate package does not make it moduler08:07
bored2kAnyone please -- How can i erase/clear the history of my Run Applications panel [alt f2] ???08:07
Seqbleh, modular08:07
bryanbored2k:  applications>system tools>configuration editor>gnome-settings>gnome-panel08:07
dazed_how old is ubu?08:07
lunitikadj : constructed with standardized units or dimensions allowing flexibility and variety in use; "modular furniture"; "modular homes"08:07
lunitikSeq: don't need math if its unneeded  :/08:07
factotumdont know, ive only used it for about a week so far08:07
factotumlike it so far ;P08:08
bored2kbryan how do i clear it ??08:08
dazed_yeah i think im on a week myself08:08
bryanuse your brain08:08
Seqlunitik: -math is only 1204KB. do you expect me to believe the _entire_ functionality of the math component is 1MB, or that large amounts of effort were spent to ensure this could be shipped separately?08:09
ratl3man, windows08:09
bored2kbryan c`mon! the values in history-gnome-run are a bunch of apps, no yes/no/flase ??08:09
bryanduh08:09
bored2kbryan lol my bad08:10
bored2kthanx08:10
bryanapps that you've run from the 'run applications'08:10
Seqlunitik: -draw is 360KB. the only thing that looks like it can be separated is -calc, which is 13.9MB08:10
factotumstill have my fbsd file server though, that thing has been going since summer. Just an old p166 w/64megs.08:10
lunitikSeq: irrelivant to 'modular'... don't want it? don't install it... hence modular...08:10
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Seqlunitik: that is not actually modular, it just doesn't install a launcher for it. the functionality is still installed and present, you just cant access it08:11
Seqits all combined together in one "hugeass" package still.08:11
ratl3you on dialup or something?08:11
lunitikratl3: we preseed comments with a username for a reason...08:12
lunitikratl3: who exactly are you talking to?08:12
ratl3hah08:12
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ratl3Seq08:12
Seqratl3: no08:13
ratl3ok08:13
ratl3lunitik: sorry about being lazy, just not too comfortable in qwerty08:14
lunitikratl3: lun[tab] 08:14
lunitikratl3: we're all lazy... thats why we use Linux!08:14
lunitikIt takes less to do more!08:14
ratl3lunitik: oh, xchat has tab completion08:14
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ratl3lunitik, nice!08:14
lunitikratl3: I can't name an IRC client that doesn't!08:14
crimsunircII ;-)08:15
ratl3lunitik, i don't chat on irc that much08:15
lunitikactually... scratch that... I don't think ircii did (I think thats its name)08:15
lunitikOr Epic actually...08:15
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ratl3hah08:15
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lunitikcrimsun: gah... yeah... I remembered before you said that  :)08:16
lunitikcrimsun: does epic?08:17
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crimsunlunitik: by default, I don't think so, but scripts...08:17
ratl3ok, i'm happy now08:17
ratl3hah08:18
lunitikcrimsun: I only recall running it for an hour or so... didn't look into much... trying to find something that sucked less than bitchx   :)08:18
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ratl3hmm, i need to try out pptp vpn at school in a couple days08:19
ratl3i've installed the pptp config package08:20
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ratl3i hope it works08:20
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ratl3oh, that reminds me... how many of you are active evangelists?08:23
ratl3heh08:23
ratl3ok, i guess i should go now too08:24
ratl3all alone08:24
exknoppixUbuntu evangelists or Christian evangelists?08:24
ratl3ubuntu or just linux in general08:24
ratl3i don't really want to talk to the Christian ones08:25
exknoppixI'm too lazy and mellow to be an evangelist08:25
d3vic3wtf?08:25
ratl3it's a problem with me08:25
exknoppixsometimes I mention Linux to regular non-techie people ... but they're too hooked to MS Windows08:25
ratl3I MUST CONVERT!08:26
ratl3hah08:26
exknoppixwhat, people are too evangelical or not evangelical enough?08:26
DarthFrogI try not to be a zealot in my evangelism.  Rather I try to give an honest and balanced approach, one where I acknowledge my biases.08:26
ratl3it's real hard though08:26
DarthFrogratl3: That's exactly the wrong approach.  Telling them they "must" do something will only get their backs up.08:27
DarthFrogInstead, find out their dissatisfactions and deal with them.08:27
ratl3i said 'I MUST'08:27
ratl3but, ya, i agree08:27
ratl3it's a psychological game08:27
exknoppixif you're a tech enthusiast and really want to dig into some awesome tools, then I say Linux (or some non-proprietary system) ... but if you just vant to get some work done and you're already comfortable in Windows, then just stay there, for now08:28
ratl3work done in windows?08:28
DarthFrogMy preferred approach is to be approachable.  Give them some teaser info and let them come to me. Let them sell themselves.08:28
ratl3when it's not crashing?08:28
bryanumm08:28
bryanwindows honestly doesn't crash that much08:29
bryanespecially if you know how to take care of it08:29
ratl3exactly08:29
DarthFrogNot anymore, it doesn't,08:29
exknoppixwith stuff like browser tabbing and awesome wget installlation and multiple desktops, a crucial threshold will be crossed some day (I hope)08:29
DarthFrogIt's finally a decent system, for stability.08:29
DarthFrogFor security, well, that's another matter.08:29
ratl3i was including the spyware adware shit08:29
ratl3i only use windows on other peoples computers08:30
exknoppixI've been thinking about offering to install Linux on people's machines ... would be interesting to do "market research" and post the results08:30
ratl3and they don't know how to take care of it08:30
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exknoppixreally, the big hassle is that people don't want to bother with the install08:30
DarthFrogexknoppix: You'll find yourself being called upon to do *ALL* their support.08:30
ratl3but still, it requires you to reinstall it every year or so08:30
ratl3heh, make them pay you exknoppix08:31
viper12I just moved my dad over to linux..........because it kept slowin' down. ---if you know what i mean?  he was sick to DEATH of all the crap he had to do to keep spyware/malware/viruses from infesting his box.  He knows zippo about Linux....but he's a happy as a clam now.08:31
exknoppixI think that if you did a couple weeks of hand-holding, then most people would come to love Linux. There is a lot of great stuff out there.08:31
viper12(windows kept slowing down.) - insert.08:31
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ratl3all computer novices *should* run as root08:32
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viper12hand holding exknoppix? for what?  if you know linux.....and get the install right at the beginning...the end user doesn't need hand holding...nor can the end user screw it up. ;)08:32
viper12lmao ratl308:32
DarthFrogratl3: Umm...08:32
exknoppixDarthFrog: agreed, and, at present, I'm not motivated enough to do all that support ... I suggest the idea only as a way to do "market research" ... gather data on how real non-techies respond to current Linux08:32
ratl3actually ubuntu wouldn't require any support08:33
ratl3or maybe a little08:33
ratl3but less than windows08:33
exknoppixviper12: if you've spent 5-10 years on Windows, then you have all these habits and expectations ... many little things are different on Linux and your average non-techie person will get turned off unless they get a lot of gentle encouragement08:33
DarthFrogratl3: You're kidding yourself.08:34
ratl3i don't know08:34
ratl3hmm08:34
DarthFrogLess than Windows, yes.08:34
ratl3ya, iu corrected myseld08:34
ratl3but all you'd have to do is set it up08:35
DarthFrogIn the overall, that's true.  But until the novice users get as accomplished in Ubuntu as they already are in Windows, their support needs will be greater.08:35
exknoppixif you have a 100% tech-newbie, then today, Linux may actually be easier to learn than Windows ... however, 95% of potential Linux converts out there are non-techies with experience with Windows ... it's like moving to a different country after growing up somewhere else08:35
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viper12don't completely agree with that one exknoppix.  My current example (dad) doesn't live with me.  He's had windows for several years.  He surfs, online banks via web, plays solitaire, listens to tunes.  I set up an ubuntu install and got the mp3/ web plugs set, configured a clean desktop and after 20 minutes I left him to it.  He hasn't called me about it all week, cept yesterday to thank me for a cool machine.08:35
bryani've been thinking about changing over my gf's 'rents, but her mom needs to access a Exchange server for work, via IE08:35
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exknoppixwhat's interesting is how people in developing nations pick up Linux because many have zero Windows habits ... there, we may gain an unassailable install base08:36
ratl3you can run IE in linux08:36
ratl3heh08:36
bryancan/could/would/should/wouldn't08:36
ratl3try crossover08:36
ratl3haha08:36
ratl3it's good for testing your site08:36
ratl3there is an initial learning curve for linux08:37
viper12Most users don't have the first clue about IE/FF/Opera.  They all have similar controls, show the web, back/forth stop/home buttons.  They wanna do what they do and not be bothered by the crap that infests windows soo damn easily anymore.08:37
ratl3but over the long run i think it is currently easier for the novice to ue08:38
exknoppixviper12: number #1, _you_ set things up ... number #2, your dad didn't run into any nasty quirks. with my online banking, firefox does now work because my stupid bank are idiots so I have to fake things ... number #3, lots of people doing real work, use minor apps that aren't 100% there in Linux yet. and there will gripe.08:38
viper12And as far as the learning curve goes, for the experienced pc'er, that all depends upon how deeply down the rabbit hole we wish to go.08:38
dashif we had a decent replacement for quicken/quickbooks, i have a lot of windows users i could convert today08:38
ratl3again they run nicely in wine08:39
ratl3:/08:39
dasheh08:39
ratl3heh08:39
dashi've tried08:39
ratl3what my dad uses08:39
exknoppixrat13: actually, I think that Linux _has_ crossed that threshold of ease of use ... Linux is pretty amazing these days ... I remember using Linux back in 1995 -- ouch, especially on set up08:39
dashthere's still some quirks, last i checked08:39
viper12exknoppix,  if it wasn't for MY PERSONAL BIAS against KDE, I'd have run the installer for Xandros, and WALKED AWAY and let him at it.08:39
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exknoppixsee ... it's all these different apps that people are used to ... for some people it's quicken/quickbooks ... for others, it's something else08:40
DarthFrogAnother thing, if a home user needs Windows support, well, the Kid Next Door <tm> can provide it.  There aren't so many readily available linux supporters on hand in the neighbourhood.08:40
dashexknoppix: yep08:40
ratl3dash, he's running the crossover version, but i'm sure they work nicely in regular wine08:40
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ratl3that's why we need the kids next door runnin linux08:40
dashratl3: yeah, i tried it with cxoffice.08:40
exknoppixreally, Linux is under an unfair situation ... few non-techies would ever be willing to do a Windows installation08:41
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ratl3dash, what version?08:41
dashratl3: 3.008:41
DarthFrogratl3: you'll get no argument from me on that.08:41
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ratl3all the people that make me support them i put linux on their computer08:41
ratl3freaking family08:41
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ratl3saves me alot of time08:42
viper12exactly exknoppix ...........people are used to windows, but when they run into problems.....(the novice users) its off to the land of microsoft support at a zillion an hour on hold.  FUD is holding linux back...as well as the fact that beause its free, there are no full page ads for it in the local paper.08:42
exknoppixthat's just it ... you have to jump through extra hoops like crossover ... most people get impatient with the smallest nuisance in, say, retail ... we have a very short attention span and demanding attitude in many areas of our life08:42
DarthFrogratl3: Yeah, but they've supported you all these years. :-)08:42
ratl3ya, i agree08:42
ratl3ha08:42
Amaranthratl3: I'd do that for my grandparents if my grandpa didn't like to play those damn Madden games.08:42
romcan i copy a file from my computer to a ssh server using ssh in terminal?08:42
DarthFrogrom: Use rsync or scp.08:42
ratl3i still don't want to have to mess with the headache of windows anymore08:43
exknoppix"kids next door runnin linux" ... totally, grassroots is like crab grass ... hard to eradicate once it gets going08:43
dashrom: sure. 'scp foo example.com:foo'08:43
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ratl3have you tried the nautilus ssh support?08:43
dongjinDoes anyone know how to use swsusp (Suspend to Desk)? Thanks.08:43
romwhat is foo example.com:foo08:43
dashrom: do you know how to use cp?08:43
viper12short and sweet t'night........woot.......movie finished dl/in........time for some adventure with nic cage and company.! laterz. :D08:43
exknoppixand that's the other thing ... computer games ... and WineX/etc just isn't there yet08:43
romsorta08:43
robzulahI doenloaded the Kmud binary, but when I go to run it with ./kmud it says "./kmud: line 21: /home/zeppelin/kmud-1.0-linux-i386/bin/kmud: cannot execute binary file" any idea why?08:43
dashrom: scp is similar.08:43
Amaranthit calls it ssh but it's really sftp (i hope it has an scp fallback)08:43
bryanhaha08:44
ratl3ya, i think that's the path08:44
bryanexknoppix:  did you download the dvdr or xvid?08:44
ratl3we need to get winex there so that the kids next door run linux08:44
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viper12one solution for games:  dual boot wintendo with games only.  heh heh.  asta.08:44
Amaranthkind of hard08:44
bryani hear they have 'do not duplicate' and 'property of walt disney' on the tp and bottom08:44
DarthFrogrobzulah: What're the permissions on kmud?  Is it marked executable.08:44
da_bon_bonhi all08:44
DarthFroghi da_bon_bon, what's it like in India now? :-)08:45
bryanfuck winex, developers need to start making native linux games08:45
ratl3ya, i agreee08:45
ratl3but we need to work on both08:45
da_bon_bonwhats the best downlaod manager ? prozilla ? d4x ?08:45
bryanand graphics card makers need to start getting good drivers out08:45
DarthFrogbryan: Except for a few (i.e. ID) it isn't happening.08:46
dashda_bon_bon: bittorrent, obviously08:46
exknoppixI wish people would _pay_ for Free Software development of games ... but that dream won't come true for years08:46
bryani would pay for hl2 on PC, just like i payed for it on windows08:46
bryaneerr08:46
robzulahwhich permission DarthFrog? (I'm a Linux newbie, bare with me please. =)08:46
bryans/pc/linux08:46
DarthFrogexknoppix: Besides who needs another game after they've played Frozen Bubble. :-)08:46
exknoppixif Free Software could get just 10% of the money spent on games, then with code-sharing, Linux would be _the_ platform within 5 years08:46
dashDarthFrog: infidel! clearly the correct game is nethack08:47
DarthFrogdash: LOL!08:47
dashexknoppix: yeah well08:47
dashexknoppix: until we get quality video drivers, it's not going to happen08:47
ratl3ya, we need to create more places for money in free software08:47
exknoppixpersonally, my favorite downloader is wget ... but I like to do the micromanagement myself08:47
DarthFrogrobzulah: Open a terminal and issue the command "ls -l kmud*" in the directory that the kmud binary is installed in.08:47
dashexknoppix: and i am willing to bet that we will not get quality video drivers until software 3D rendering comes back08:48
robzulahit says "-rwxr-xr-x    1 zeppelin zeppelin      399 2001-06-29 07:54 kmud"08:48
DarthFrogrobzulah: What do the first 10 characters say?  It should be something like rwxr_xr_x08:49
ratl3dash, software 3d rendering?08:49
exknoppixactually, with stuff like Frozen Bubble, Linux will gradually become a very fun platform for most non-game-heads ... isn't cutting edge but is very much fun08:49
dashratl3: yeah08:49
ratl3dash, like maya and shit?08:49
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dashratl3: no, like mesa and shit08:49
ratl3oh08:49
dashexcept non-sucky :)08:49
exknoppixpersonally, my favorite "game" is Wikipedia ... is the most kick-ass online multi-player universe ever invented08:49
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ratl3haha exknoppix08:49
romhow do i copy a folder thru ssh?08:49
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exknoppix... and the video drivers are a big problem in the Wikipedia game08:50
ratl3try mounting a remote drive in nautilus rom08:50
ratl3easiest way08:50
da_bon_bonexknoppix: which wikipedia game ?08:50
shockermmm... one question: in evolution 2.2 (hoary) - why does personal in calendar and tasks noz have a cistomizable color anymore?08:50
dashexknoppix: Hmm. I like your idea.08:51
ratl3wikipedia itself da_bon_bon08:51
DarthFrogda_bon_bon: He's not serious.08:51
dashexknoppix: If any of the game ideas i've got on the back burner ever become practical, I think they will require wikipedia integration. :)08:51
exknoppixda_bon_bon: I'm kind of joking here08:51
ratl3hah!08:51
ratl3we should develop games08:52
ratl3and stop bitching about it08:52
exknoppixdash: I can believe it ... yes, combine real world data with a total VR game08:52
dashexknoppix: "total VR" is a myth08:52
ratl3what ideas do you have dash ?08:52
bryani can't even get out of 60hz08:53
bryancan't even run a screensaver08:53
exknoppixwe should make a computer game which makes computer games ... then feed the output back into the input08:53
dashratl3: mostly adventure-game type stuff08:53
bryanthe 3d screensavers run at like 10fps08:53
ratl3how much game dev experience do you have?08:53
dashnot a whole lot.08:53
dashratl3: anyway, i'm mostly waiting for the technology to advance enough08:54
exknoppixdash: well, let me tell you about a little thing called ... The Matrix!08:54
ratl3hah!08:54
DarthFrogexknoppix: Then you'll have a computer that plays with itself.  The Moral Majority will then have computers outlawed. :-008:54
exknoppixdash: the wool has been pulled over your eyes08:54
ratl3DarthFrog, haha08:54
dashratl3: fortunately, the stuff i do at my day job is moving in that direction08:54
dashexknoppix: prepare for face mashing08:54
ratl3dash, games?08:55
exknoppixDarthFrog: if voting really mattered, they'd make it illegal08:55
dashratl3: infrastructure that will be useful for games08:55
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exknoppixdash: "face mashing"??? sorry, I'm a bit behind the times08:55
ratl3exknoppix, voting does matter... to them08:55
ratl3exknoppix, a way to waste all of our time08:56
DarthFrogJust seen on Slashdot:08:56
DarthFrogOur primary concern in the short term is with being able to ship a SeaMonkey front end on08:56
DarthFrogtop of a Gecko08:56
DarthFrogThat doesn't sound like a developer's list, that sounds like a post on alt.sex.zoophilia.08:56
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ratl3exknoppix, thinking we are changing anything08:56
exknoppixdash: are you planning on "mashing" my face?08:56
Voidzero1Hi, could anyone please help me with my installation of Ubuntu?08:56
dashexknoppix: yes, if you keep talking about dumb movies :p08:56
dashVoidzero1: hi! what's up08:56
exknoppixsure, is all about the illusion of legitimacy08:56
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dashexknoppix: anyway i think that phrase came from a strongbad email :)08:57
Voidzero1Hi Dash!  How're doing?  Having trouble with my X server GUI08:57
dashratl3: anyway here's an idea08:57
exknoppixdash: hey, I haven't even started on The Fight Club yet08:57
ratl3exknoppix, i still vote though.. heh08:57
dashratl3: one of the problem with MMORPGs is making sure that the production of game content by the developers stays ahead of the consumption of it by players08:58
ratl3dash, ya08:58
dashratl3: this, among other problems, has made it very hard for a community-run MMORPG to arise08:58
exknoppixI consider voting a mental exercise ... is a way to focus your attention on issues08:58
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exknoppixfortunately, I live in Canada where we have more than Pepsi/Coke to choose from08:59
ratl3exknoppix, what kind of system would you prefer?08:59
dashratl3: one of the reasons this is difficult is because there's no good way to run untrusted code in a real programming language securely and efficiently on a server08:59
Voidzero1I get the shell instead of the GUI.  I'm a newbie at Linux.  Helping out with tuxLabs installations in ZA.  Want to enter Linux enviroment full time.08:59
DarthFrogexknoppix: Yeah, we have Moosehead and Blue, too. :-)08:59
dashVoidzero1: ok, what gfx card?09:00
ratl3dash, hmm, ya09:00
exknoppixdash: need to make fractal, reusable MMORPG content ... create the illusion of vast spaces09:00
ratl3exknoppix, that gets boring in like a minute09:00
Voidzero1Old ISA card09:01
exknoppixrat13: "system would you prefer" ... you mean electoral system?09:01
ratl3exknoppix, yah09:01
dashratl3: so right now, if you want people to contribute to your gameworld, you either give them a crippled tool, or you trust them to touch all code in your system09:01
dashratl3: if we can change that, some interesting possibilities arise, i think09:01
dashVoidzero1: zoinks09:01
exknoppixabout the "fractal" comment ... I'm just goofing09:01
ratl3dash, i thought you had an idea to change that09:01
ratl3hah09:01
dashratl3: yeah, i do09:02
ratl3dash, how?09:02
dashratl3: hopefully i will be giving a demo at pycon09:02
ratl3dash, cool09:02
zbowlingwho said gecko?09:02
zbowlinghehe09:02
dashratl3: i am hitting some snags in the code though, it's going to be tight :)09:02
exknoppixrat13: I'd say that "direct action" is more important than once-every-4-years of voting ... realize that your day-to-day life is more politically important than once-a-year vote ... as for elections, I'd like at least half the seats go to proportional representation09:02
dashisn't "direct action" a euphemism for "political assassination"?09:03
ratl3exknoppix, so you'd go more for a reform of the current system?09:03
pepsiexknoppix, hi09:03
pepsi;)09:03
zbowlingDarthFrog: you say something about gecko?09:03
pepsiyou lit me up09:03
DarthFrogzbowling: Not really.09:03
ratl3pepsi, hah09:03
quaruptSo i guess media stuff for AMD64 is just non existant, no realplayer nor mplayer09:03
zbowlingzbowling: aah gecko pings me because of my gtkembedmoz port to win32 :-)09:04
exknoppixdash: what's pycon09:04
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dashexknoppix: http://pycon.org/09:04
dashexknoppix: community python conference09:04
dashin 2 weeks in DC09:04
zbowlingDarthFrog: aah gecko pings me because of my gtkembedmoz port to win32 and the gecko# wrapper for mono :-)09:04
exknoppixdash: "direct action" == "political assassination"? hmm, I'd never heard of that ... I thought that direct action was just about activism as a meaningful part of your life09:04
ratl3is python good enought to run a large mmorpg?09:05
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dashratl3: heh, what else would you use?09:05
fusion88hi09:05
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zbowlinguse mono instead of python..09:05
ratl3well, i meant fast engouh09:05
DarthFrogzbowling: I had just read a funny comment on Slashdot and cross-posted it here.09:05
exknoppixdash: I'm 100% non-violent ... mostly because I find fighting boring and scary09:05
dashexknoppix: exactly how i feel about politics :)09:05
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dashexknoppix: not surprising, given that politics is just organized violence...09:05
fusion88aussies09:06
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exknoppixdash: sigh, you lucky geek, you09:06
fusion88geezz09:06
jdubguys09:06
jdubthis is way off-topic09:06
pastyhermitman09:06
jdubelsewhere please :)09:06
pastyhermitDisk utility sucks09:06
pastyhermitit cant burn hoary-ppc09:06
pastyhermitwhats the deal?09:06
dashjdub: good point :)09:06
fusion88ok i need help please09:06
ratl3hah09:06
dashalso, it is way past my bedtime09:06
pastyhermitit couldnt do warty either09:06
jdubpastyhermit: in OS X? yes, there are known bugs with it unfortunately :|09:06
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fusion88whats the best way to install a belkin usb wireless card on ubuntu its a F5D605009:06
pastyhermitjdub: any suggestions09:06
jdubpastyhermit: there is a command line tool you can use, i'm pretty sure this is mentioned on the wiki09:06
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pastyhermitjdub:09:07
pastyhermitk09:07
fusion88hi09:07
Voidzero1Dash, is the ISA GFx card too old?  Should I use a more updated PC?09:07
exknoppixdash: I don't agree that politics is "organized violence" ... for many people that is true ... however, in my country of Canada, medicare is very political and there is nothing violent about that09:07
fusion88wtf this is a linux channel not pilitics bullshit09:07
bryanyay  for canada :D09:07
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exknoppixsorry folks, don't want to bore ... I just had to give Dash some hopes about politics09:09
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pastyhermitcant find in wiki09:09
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bryani heard there lots of problems burning ubuntu for mac09:10
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da_bon_bonbryan: like ?09:10
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bryanhttp://www.macgeekery.com/node/7509:12
DarthFrogHoly sheepshit, Batman.  I just thought I'd install xemacs for a looksee.  It wants 103 MB of disk space!! For an editor!!   Now that's bloat.09:12
schasigdmorning09:13
ratl3ya, isn't that more than openoffice?09:13
ratl3DarthFrog,09:13
schasiemacs is not an editor, its an os09:13
ratl3hah09:13
DarthFrogratl3: and emacs itself isn't available.09:14
schasiThat was more or less a joke09:14
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ratl3ya, vi is much better09:14
DarthFrogWell, vim actually.09:14
exknoppixemacs isn't an os, it's a lifestyle09:14
exknoppixemacs is the One Editor09:15
thoreauputicDarthFrog: strange - emacs was installed by default in my warty install09:15
schasiexknoppix: Right, right after vim09:15
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goldfishi had emacs too09:15
schasiyahoo editor wars09:15
goldfishin warty default09:15
ratl3hah09:15
schasiI use nano, it totally rocks09:16
DarthFrogthoreauputic: I'm running Hoary.  "apt-get install emacs" says it's not available.09:16
thoreauputicnot that I use it anyway ;)09:16
schasiDarthFrog: Univers and all that enabled?09:16
DarthFrogUniverse & mulitverse.09:16
thoreauputicDarthFrog: must be - your sources are incomplete ?09:16
jdubDarthFrog: emacs2109:17
jdubDarthFrog: use apt-cache search to find things09:17
thoreauputicDarthFrog: never heard of a linux distro without an available emacs09:17
exknoppix    One Editor to rule them all, One Editor to find them,09:17
exknoppix         One Editor to bring them all and in the darkness bind them.09:17
DarthFrogjdub: Thanks!  Yeah, emacs21 is the ticket.09:17
schasi21 for 21st century?09:17
DarthFrogIt only wants 43.6 MB of disk real estate.09:17
thoreauputiced! ed is the editor! man ed! ed man!  ;-)09:18
exknoppixthe ed is dead, long live ed!09:18
ratl3screw ed, cat is all i need!09:18
schasicat owns09:18
ratl3i have files with one character each in them09:18
exknoppixyou lazy bastards ... give me a magnet any day of the week09:18
schasieditors is for wimps ;-)09:18
ratl3and do a cat a > file09:18
DarthFrogjdub: Wow, "apt-cache search" seems just the ticket.  thanks.09:19
schasiKnow where getting ars-userfriendlyy09:19
thoreauputichttp://users.fishinternet.com.au/~peterg/edistheeditor.txt09:19
jdubDarthFrog: ubuntu has all kinds of tickets ;-) ;-)09:19
exknoppixI just use my psionic powers to change the magnetic polarity on the harddrive09:19
ratl3haha!09:19
schasithoreauputic: rofl09:20
thoreauputic*sigh* whatever happened to quill pens and parchment ?09:21
DarthFrogjdub: So I'm finding out.  :-)  I'm growing to like Ubuntu very much.  Especially now that KDE is available for it.09:21
DarthFrogthoreauputic: They were obsoleted by buggy whips. <grinning, running and ducking>09:21
thoreauputicDarthFrog: *grin*09:21
Tomcat_thoreauputic: lol :D09:21
Tomcat_Well I'm an Emacs- and vi-Hater as well. :P09:22
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exknoppixfolks, I'm using ERC at the moment ... that's IRC on Emacs!09:23
Tomcat_omfg09:23
Tomcat_:D09:23
exknoppixI can save my chat scripts ...09:23
Tomcat_Go play Emacs-Tetris, please. :D09:23
exknoppixI can search my chat scripts ...09:23
exknoppixI can _edit_ my chat scripts ...09:23
Tomcat_Can you edit what you have said? :D09:23
thor|starvingheh... nice IRC client, shame about the editor ;-)09:23
ratl3haha09:23
exknoppixI can make emacs macros to do automated thingies on my chat scripts09:23
DarthFrogGood night all.09:24
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Tomcat_"The longer a piece of open source software is in development, it always evolves so it can send mail"09:24
exknoppixI am the omnipotent one!09:24
Tomcat_I guess that's more than correct for Emacs.09:24
exknoppixcan _your_ editor load naughty pictures ... mine can!09:24
exknoppixmy xmms playlists are triggered inside emacs09:25
exknoppixI read my mail inside emacs09:25
bryanmmm, mouse just died, time for sleep09:25
bryannini09:25
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Tomcat_Damn... all the Americans are going... :)09:25
ratl3im an american09:25
ratl3(sadly)09:25
exknoppixwhat nationality is left now?09:25
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schasiTomcat_: What editor are you using?09:26
exknoppixare these all auzzies?09:26
Tomcat_schasi: The mighty pico/nano :D09:26
Tomcat_I'm German.09:26
Tomcat_schasi: And something on X (Gedit, Eclipse) when it comes to developing, where the editor needs more stuff than pico/nano have.09:26
bryan[a] (I'm canadian)09:26
bryan[a] if i was american i'd probably move to canada09:26
exknoppixah, is like 8 AM in Germany?09:26
Tomcat_09:30 am :o09:27
bryan[a] 3:30am here :p09:27
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Tomcat_:>09:27
exknoppixI'm a Canadian at 3:30 ... and am hosed out of my mind at the moment09:27
goldfish8:30 am here09:27
ratl3yep 330am09:27
bryan[a] where you at exknoppix ?09:27
bryan[a] (ontario somewhere i assume)09:28
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ratl3do you have canada border patrol yet?09:28
ratl3hah09:28
exknoppixcheck out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesusland09:28
azriel0184hmmm... i installed a second NIC on my linux machine and now localhost doesnt work...09:28
exknoppixbryan[a] : Waterloo ... you?09:28
azriel0184matthew@matthew-linux:~ $ ping localhost09:29
azriel0184PING localhost.localdomain (127.0.0.1) 56(84) bytes of data.09:29
azriel0184--- localhost.localdomain ping statistics ---09:29
azriel01844 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 2998ms09:29
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bryan[a] Hamilton09:29
jesuelazriel0184: thats strange.09:29
azriel0184s/linux/ubuntu/09:29
ratl3ya, i've seen that idiotic map09:29
ratl3exknoppix,09:29
schasiThere is a size limit to split? How awful09:30
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exknoppixbryan[a] : ah, I grew up just outside Hamilton. went to high school in Dundas.09:30
schasiCan i split a 4.6bg file into 4.4+rest?09:30
azriel0184my /etc/hosts file is fine as well09:30
schasiseems not like it09:30
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exknoppixrat13,09:30
ratl3yes exknoppix ?09:31
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GammaRaycan anyone think of good reason to not strip .bash_profile of most everything and put it all in .bashrc?09:32
membreyanew kernel coming down? 2.6.10-6? :)09:32
jesuelazriel0184: maybe its the default route for the second nic perhaps?09:32
orospakrogra, nice work on the hardware info submission tool. :) it hung for me at the "information gathering" stage, though. :(09:32
jesuelazriel0184: grasping at straws?09:32
azriel0184well the first one is set to the default, so it shouldnt09:32
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azriel0184but it should honour /etc/hosts no matter which one it is using?09:33
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ratl3ok, i'm outta here09:33
jesuelazriel0184: /j #flood and do /exec o netstat -r, maybe that will explain it :)09:34
dud_how can i get php4 to work with apache109:34
dud_(in hoary)09:34
ratl3night09:34
dud_oh09:35
dud_think i found it09:35
shockok . anyone else here swizched to utf-8 and having problems with other irc people not being able ti read you 09:35
shock?09:35
exknoppixrat13: I can't get my side-chat windows working ... we could go to a temp chatroom, say #ubpolitics09:35
Tomcat_shock: That's normal.09:36
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schasiIs there a counterpart to split?09:36
dud-ok, nm09:36
Tomcat_shock: Other people have to switch to UTF8 to read special characters from you...09:36
MyNameIsChrisAnyone here use the sound on an ich5 southbridge?09:37
dud-as I understand it libapache-mod-php4 is supposed to be php4 for apache109:37
Tomcat_shock: The characters after "read you" look quite odd to me, for example, because I use mIRC without UTF8 patch.09:37
dud-but that package is gone or something09:37
quaruptAnyone know if theres a kaffine plugin for firefox?09:38
jesuelTomcat_: mIRC has a linux release?09:38
Tomcat_jesuel: Not really. :D09:38
jesuelTomcat_: oh.09:38
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Tomcat_The last release of Ubuntu trashed my partition table twice, so I had no way to switch away from Windows.09:38
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jesuelouch.09:39
Tomcat_I'll try again with hoary.09:39
shockTomcat_ - im using irssi....09:39
jesuelhoary has been beautiful for me. Warty runs on my server just fine. But wouldnt on my laptop.09:39
shockit works fine for me reading utf8 signs sent by others09:40
goldfishi am using irssi09:40
shockand I can read my own utf8 signs09:40
Tomcat_I only use Warty on my laptop.. r uns perfectly.09:40
goldfishand its still weird09:40
shockhm09:40
shockdo you have utf-8 generated?09:40
Tomcat_shock: Yes but people who use ISO8859 can't read your UTF8 stuff.09:40
membreyaanyone know why I keep getting the following in dmesg smb_add_request: request [00000100063280c0, mid=12824]  timed out!09:40
membreyait's only after I have my pc on for a day or two09:41
Tomcat_membreya: Do you have a Windows machine on the network?09:41
membreyaTomcat_: yup, and I've got a directory on the PC mounted via samba09:41
shockTomcat_ - correct09:41
membreyabut I can still ping the PC09:41
Tomcat_membreya: Probably has something to do with that PC... no idea what though.09:41
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rem.09:43
waseemhey if you clear your cache, history, and cookies from your browser, is there any possible way you can locate a link that you have been to?09:43
waseemlike are there any hidden folders that contain any of that information?09:43
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MyNameIsChrisWell, my sound is really poor (more so in Dvd playback) and it has sounded fine in other distros. Abit AS8 with ICH5R SB and Logitech z640 5.1ch speakers09:45
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MyNameIsChrisAnywhere where I can check for proper modules?09:46
quaruptanyone know what this is all about?09:46
quaruptmplayer-amd64:09:46
quarupt Depends: libavcodec2  but it is not installable09:46
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azriel0184well enabling ath0 totaly screwed over my routing table09:46
azriel0184had to disable/enable eth0 to get it back...09:46
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azriel0184and still localhost does not work...09:47
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quaruptso mplayer-amd64 depends on libavcodec2  which doesnt exist?09:48
kzmanybody get mplayer to install on warty on regular x86?09:49
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kzm(tried the marillat archives, but the only version that woudl install gives me a illegal instruction)09:50
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quaruptANYONE plz, is there a way to get helix/real working on AMD64?09:53
quaruptI have googled and wiki'd but no luck?09:54
membreyano quarupt09:55
thor|starvingquarupt: maybe you could run the standard version in a chroot (someone mentioned this - forget who)09:55
thor|starvingquarupt: don't ask me how thta's done, though09:55
quaruptI have no clue how to go abot this chroot, thing maybe there is a howto i can read or something?09:56
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thor|starvingquarupt: maybe google chroot + linux + amd64 + howto? Dunno09:57
jsgotangcoheh09:58
ace2001achttp://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebootstrapChroot09:58
ace2001acthat may help09:58
quaruptthx bud09:58
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saciitshello10:02
saciitsi am interested to bring ubuntu into latvian, is anyone interested?10:02
quaruptmight wanna talk about that in #ubuntu-dev10:03
quarupterr10:03
quaruptwait thast not it10:03
quaruptmaybe #Ubuntu-devel10:03
quaruptyea that one10:03
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saciits#ubuntu-dev10:04
azriel0184does anyone have any ideas about my networking prob?10:04
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jsgotangcojoin the Translation team as well10:05
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quaruptis there any wone for AMD62?10:05
zenroxquarupt, amb62??? hahahahah10:06
quaruptAMD64 even10:06
jsgotangcoheh10:06
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membreyai run an amd64 ;)10:06
quaruptchroot?10:07
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membreyabless you10:07
quaruptlol10:07
jsgotangcognome 2.10 is really nice10:08
jsgotangcoeven the wireless monitor is working on my side now10:09
quaruptYea gnome broke after i installed AMD6410:09
quaruptim foreded to use Kubuntu10:09
quaruptbut its not that bad10:09
jsgotangcogyaahhh10:09
spaceyyou installed amd64?10:10
quaruptim thinking VM x86 would be easier than doing chroot10:10
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quaruptYea array 6AMD64 Ubuntu Hoary10:10
spaceyah10:10
kinskyhi everyone!10:10
spaceyworks fine for me10:10
quaruptwell, it also happened after i got fglrx running, just would show any open windows down in the bar10:11
kinskyfolks, installing ubuntu was a success, but it made my windows turn blue! ;(10:11
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kinskyi guess i messed up the partition tables, any idea how to solve the problem??10:11
jsgotangcoyour windows is borked?10:11
kinskyborked..  unstartable!10:12
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quaruptprolly just need to fix grub10:12
kinskyok, is there a tool for it?10:12
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membreyalol10:13
haydenhow can i copy files to an ssh server?10:13
quaruptyea its called vi10:13
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membreyause nano :P10:13
thor|starvinghayden: scp10:13
kinskyhm, for quite a linux-newby these are hard topics10:13
quaruptuse gedit10:13
medzi accidently remove libpng in sypnatic then all my Gnome apps are gone how can i reinstall it back using my cd.10:13
jdubmedz: install the ubuntu-desktop package10:13
membreyahayden: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#sshserver10:13
kinskywell is there any detailed information or howto for fixing the grub?10:14
medzjdub: how do i do that in console?10:14
jdubmedz: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop10:14
Myrttisudo apt-get update | apt-get install ubuntu-desktop10:14
medzokey will try it now.10:14
kinskywith my first installation of ubuntu on an other machine, everything went allright, so i didn't care enough at the second time10:15
kinskycould anyone of you introduce me to that grub-thing?10:15
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membreyakinsky: sudo nano -w /boot/grub/menu.lst10:16
membreyafrom a terminal10:16
kinskyok, so how can i get closer, i mean to fix windows-startup?10:18
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jsgotangcobye bye10:22
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kinskyhm, i had a closer look at that file, also read through the grup-faq on the ubuntu-site. still don't know how to find out why windows won't start (it just shows a bluescreen and reboots after a few seconds). thanks for any ideas10:24
membreyasure it's not a memory dump kinsky ?10:24
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kinskymembreya, how can i get to know that?10:24
MyNameIsChriskinsky: What is the situation? I had a potentially similiar problem once10:24
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membreyait will say that it's performing a memory dump....windows thang10:25
kinskywell after installing ubuntu windows won't start, just shows a bluescreen for few secs, then reboots10:25
thoreauputickinsky: did you resize the win partition before installing? If so, with what? Is it XP / ntfs?10:25
kinskyand in that case, membreya, what to do?10:25
kinskywell no, i guess i messed it up..10:26
kinskydiddnt care much about that since an other installation without resizing was allright10:26
membreyaBSODs are only caused by disk (partition) failures or hardware10:26
kinskyim sure its about my partitioning10:26
kzm*sigh* USB is nothing but trouble, it seems.10:26
membreyaif you didn't resize...WHAT did you install to ?10:26
MyNameIsChriskinsky, what sp do you have?10:26
kzmAnybody get an external disk to work properly?10:26
thoreauputickinsky: if you didn't resize, where did you fit ubuntu?10:27
kinskyi chose the main hdd10:27
membreyalol10:27
membreyaummm kinsky10:27
membreyaI would say bye bye to windows :)10:27
kinskyi took 2 gigs10:27
kinsky;(10:27
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kinskywell it worked formerly10:27
jmstry a repair install of xp maybe?10:28
MyNameIsChriskinsky, what service pack and hdd capacity do you have?10:28
thoreauputickinsky: you have more than one hard drive?10:28
kinskys40 gigs, sp210:28
kinskyno10:28
MyNameIsChrisNever mind, not the problem I had10:28
kinskyi mean 1 hdd10:28
membreyaagree with me thoreauputic ?:P10:28
thoreauputicmembreya: looking that way10:28
kinskyso is it really that optimistic?10:29
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thoreauputickinsky: did you let ubuntu use the drive without specifying a partition?10:29
kinskythe thing is that i'm not so sure about that10:29
kinsky;)10:29
greg_hello ! Is that work irc ? (it's the first time I try it on my ubuntu)10:30
MyNameIsChrismembreya: I decided to that after I realised I hadn't booted Windows for months.10:30
thoreauputickinsky: well, you would know if you did10:30
membreyahmmm does anyone know if it's possible to use the side buttons on a mouse in ubuntu (ie mouse4 and mouse5) ??10:30
toerligreg: yeah10:30
kinskyim not so sure about that10:30
greg_good10:30
thoreauputickinsky: I think you probably wiped windows out10:30
membreyaMyNameIsChris: I go into windows once a week if that to transcode xvid to mpeg2 :) other than that ubuntu serves my needs10:30
greg_everebody here is Ubuntu user ?10:30
toerlimembreya: yes you have to edit x config10:30
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Fator_Deemembreya: you can do that with ubuntu :-p10:31
membreyatoerli: and add what?10:31
thoreauputicgreg_: no, i run an IBM s390 in my bathroom10:31
kinskywith the installation routine of ubuntu, it sure is possible to resize the hdd?10:31
MyNameIsChrismembreya, I would imagine that there would be an open source implementation for that10:31
greg_thoreauputic, lol10:31
membreyaFator_Dee: I know you can, but I can't be bothered to sit down and read the docs for avidemux210:31
toerlimembreya: search for 5 button mouse and XFree Config on google...10:32
Fator_Deemembreya: hold on, I'll give you an url10:32
membreyaplus people are always complaining that transcoding in ubuntu is lossy10:32
greg_of course... I do this every night between 3 and 5 too :p10:32
pregohe, latest upgade of hoary's gnome packages is quite nice; however my Nautilus scripts are missing (execpt for two of them made in python). Am I the only one with this behaviour?10:32
membreyathanks toerli :)10:32
membreyaI love my side buttons for browsing10:32
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Fator_Deemembreya: http://fredrik.hubbe.net/hacks/mkdvd.html this works flawlessly for me10:32
jmsi've been stuck at "starting hotplug subsystem..." for about 11 minutes now... how might i fix this little probelm? ^^:10:32
toerlimembreya: http://www.groundhog1.com/mouse/MSExplorer.html10:33
pregojms, this happens to me sometimes when I have the usb mouse connected10:33
membreyahmmm thanks for that Fator_Dee :) been trying to use avidemux2 :)10:33
MyNameIsChrisGive me a scroll wheel and I can browse10:33
membreyaooo URL's galore for me :D10:33
greg_is there a french server for ubuntu on irc ?10:33
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Fator_Deemembreya: np10:33
membreyaMyNameIsChris: I use the side buttons for back and forward with the pages10:33
pregoMyNameIsChris, even without a browser ? ;-P10:33
membreyalol10:34
MyNameIsChrisprego: A browser is good to have10:34
thoreauputicgreg_: /j #ubuntu-fr10:34
MyNameIsChrisMakes it much quicker10:34
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membreyaMyNameIsChris: lynx? :P10:34
greg_thanks thoreauputic10:34
jmsi dont have anyhting plugged into any usb slot on this computer10:34
haydenwhat is the username and password for shared folders (system->admin->shared folders)10:34
pregomembreya, elinks :-) you can browse your gmail account now ;-))10:34
MyNameIsChrismembreya: I am not sure what that is unless you really screwed up the spelling of Linux10:34
kinskyand another thing - how to look for available wlan-networks with ubuntu 4.1 standard-installation?10:34
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membreyaMyNameIsChris: lynx = console web browser10:35
membreyado an apt-get on it :P10:35
desplesdaMyNameIsChris, lynx is a text based web dammit membreya beat me to it10:35
pregomembreya elinks = better lynx, IMHO10:35
desplesda:P10:35
MyNameIsChrisI'll stick to Firefox for now10:35
thoreauputicor use w3m10:35
membreyafirefox? naw.. I use galeon :)10:35
MyNameIsChrisConsole based web browsers. What are we? Animals?10:36
jmsstill hanging at starting hotplug ;\10:36
desplesdai use one all the time at work MyNameIsChris10:36
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kzmjms, that's probably a wise strategy.10:36
thoreauputicmembreya: does the recent galeon do session-save like the older ones did?10:36
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membreyahey, you were the one that said all you needed to browse the net with was a mouse10:36
missmarplehi10:36
membreyathoreauputic: yes indeed :)10:36
desplesdaits an excellent way of tracking down files i need to download10:36
MyNameIsChrisscroll wheel10:36
membreyaonly thing that irks me is it doesnt save form information like google searches10:36
membreyabut it does remember passwords so it's cool :)10:37
thoreauputicmembreya: ah - thanks - I like that feature, although thefirefox extension does it well too10:37
thoreauputicMyNameIsChris: text-based browsers can save your life if X takes a holiday ;-)10:38
membreyaexactly thoreauputic :P10:38
membreyaI love galeons portal at startup :) so pretty....10:38
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MyNameIsChristhoreauputic, I prefer the irssi and frantic questions approach10:39
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thoreauputicMyNameIsChris: haha.... I see ;-)10:39
membreyaoh, thoreauputic how I was saying that facetious has all vowels running consecutively? the only other word that does that is absemious10:39
thoreauputicum - abstemious ?10:40
yonatananyway, hanging out in text mode is cool...10:40
thoreauputic:P10:40
MyNameIsChrismembreya: Thanks alot. Now I am going to spend all day thinking of another one10:40
membreyatypo...trying to smoke at the same time :|10:40
membreyaMyNameIsChris: there IS no other one10:41
thoreauputicmembreya: at least you have an excuse - I'm lucky to get through a sentence without a typo :)10:41
membreyaonly facetious and abstemious10:41
MyNameIsChrisThat won't stop me looking10:41
membreya:P10:41
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jmsis there any way yo fix the system hangin g at "starting hotplug sybsystem" on startup?10:42
toerlihow do i disable this ugly "roll to and from the desk"-animation when i switch between windows... i use hoary10:42
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toerlijms: does it hang @ hotplug or at the service under hotplug? is hotpluged marked as [ok] ?10:43
jmsno its not marked as ok10:43
membreyaunplug your usb devices? :P10:44
jmsjust says starting hotplug subsystem... nadcursor is blinking underneath10:44
toerliwarty?10:44
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jmsi dont have anything at all plugged into usb10:44
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membreyadisable hotplug then :P10:44
jmsthats what im asking how to do10:44
yonatananyone know how to get gnome to only move the window frame when moving windows (but not the contents)?10:44
toerlijms: pusg strg-c :-)10:45
MyNameIsChrisWould hitting ctrl+c work?10:45
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toerliyeah10:45
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jms...10:45
toerliit stops enabling hotplug then.... then do warty update... i think its fixed in the security repository...10:45
kzmMmmm....I was having some problems with my USB hd.  After a while, I got a 'USB reset full-speed device 1-1' in dmesg, and then it worked.  Any idea what has happened?10:45
MyNameIsChrisjms: ctrl+c when it is starting hotplug10:45
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jmsdoesnt do anything10:46
jmsi just installed not long ago, downloaded latest updates during install10:46
membreyajms: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#permanentlydisableenableboot-upservice10:46
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membreyayou10:47
membreyaare so mean thoreauputic :P10:47
membreyakilling yourself like that10:47
thoreauputicmembreya: Ghost Who Talks10:47
jmsyea.. where am i supposed to type these commands if i cant even boot up10:48
thoreauputicmembreya: be more abstemious in your facetiousness ;)10:48
pregoHow do I clean the downloaded packages by apt/synaptic? (I have 2Gb at /var/cache/apt)10:49
MyNameIsChrisjms: Have you tried booting rescue mode?10:49
membreyalol!10:49
thoreauputicprego: apt-get clean10:49
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jmsjust did10:49
pregothoreauputic, thanks10:49
MyNameIsChrisjms: I don't know then, hotplug has always worked flawlessly for me10:49
jmsstill hangs10:50
jmsis there anyway i could edit the blacklist from say knoppix or live ubuntu cd?10:50
jmsi tried with knoppix but couldnt edit the file10:50
medzi accidently remove libpng in sypnatic then all my Gnome apps are gone how can i reinstall it back using my cd.10:52
medzapt-get install ubuntu does not work.10:52
medzapt-get install ubuntu-desktop   <- does not work.10:52
schasiapt-get install gnome?10:52
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medznope.10:53
medzanyone knows how to recover X in cd.10:53
hypatiawhat does "does not work" mean in this case?10:53
thoreauputicmedz: if you're sure it was libpng, reinstall that?10:54
medzjust accidently remove the package libpng.10:54
medzwhen libpng was remove all the gnome-* was remove also and some X apps in sypnatic.10:54
medznow all i got is the console.10:55
schasiWhy doesnt apt-get install gnome libpng work?10:55
medzwhen startx is gone.10:55
schasiof course do an apt-cache search libpng first10:55
medzstartx is gone. on X10:55
schasiand insert the right libpng10:55
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schasiand search for xorg and install that as well10:55
mxrhi everyone10:56
mxrgot a problem10:56
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thoreauputichypatia: "desn't work" + linux gives 908 000 hits on google ;)10:56
medzis ther e a way to resintall all X apps.10:56
thoreauputic*doesn't10:56
mxrsetup ubuntu yesterday... but do not remember setting up the root pass...10:56
mxrany ideas?10:56
MyNameIsChrisYour user pass10:56
pregothoreauputic, I will miss those packages  ;-P it is so long being there ...10:56
lizardhi... ibm 300gl is supported by ubuntu ?10:56
hypatiamxr: run things as "sudo PROGRAM" when logged in as you.10:56
hypatiamxr: when it asks you for a password, just put in your user password.10:57
schasihypatia: I think thats the one he forgot ;-)10:57
mxrhmm, but I can't do su with my user pass10:57
thoreauputicprego: yeah, seems cruel to wipe them out like that ;-)10:57
schasiOk now _I_ didnt read... sry10:57
hypatiamxr: type "sudo -s" and use your user pass.10:57
schasimedz: There would if you knew which one you had installed10:57
mxrok, i am in root now10:58
mxrso thats the way ubuntu does it instead of su?10:58
lizardhi... ibm 300gl is supported by ubuntu ?10:58
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bob__Hi folks, i need some help getting divx movies running? What packages do I need to get?10:58
thoreauputicmxr: you got it :)10:58
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mxrok, nice... next question - i see alsa runing in my ps list... does this mean ubuntu uses alsa as default?10:59
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mxrI need to install drivers for my nforce2 chipset to get sound10:59
thoreauputicmxr: alsa is used with 2.6.* kernels10:59
mxraah, ok11:00
thoreauputicbut there is an oss compatibility layer11:00
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schasibob__: There should be something on the ubuntulinux.org homepage11:00
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schasiDid you search there and did you try the wiki?11:00
bob__schasi:Cool, thanks dude11:01
mxrfor example, to install xmms I have to uncomment some lines in sources.list and then do apt-get update? are the lines there? i remember for debian i had to add them on my own11:01
schasibob__: Did you find something?11:02
thoreauputicmxr: lines for universe repo are there11:02
schasimxr: They are there11:02
Ad-Rockmy god, this distro rules! gnome 2.10 yeah!11:03
schasiJust uncommment them. You could have looked for yourself before asking though11:03
thoreauputicmxr: if you want "multiverse" ( similar to debian non-free) you add "multiverse" after "universe"11:03
bob__schasi:Not yet, browsing through now11:03
membreyaanyone else getting slow speeds from security.ubuntu.com?11:03
schasiIs gnome 2.10 on the hoary install cd or do i have to grab the preview for it?11:03
thoreauputicmembreya: no, my 56k connection is like lightning....11:04
membreyaewwww11:04
thoreauputic:P11:04
membreyaim only getting like 40kB/s :(11:04
Ad-Rockschasi, i just upgraded to hoary11:04
thoreauputicmembreya: my heart bleeds for you, poor chap11:04
schasiAd-Rock: I have no internet connection here, thats the reason for the question11:04
membreyafrom the local mirror I get 500 - 700 kB/s :)11:05
Ad-Rockschasi: well, i dunno if its on the preview cd, but it should be11:05
schasiMy question was more in the direction of "is it on the normal install cd?"11:06
thoreauputicmembreya: wish I knew how to blow a raspberry on IRC....11:06
Ad-Rockschasi: nope, its not, on the install cd is 2.811:06
schasiNah on the install cd is 2.9.2something afaik11:06
schasihoary11:07
Ad-Rockoh, well in warty is 2.811:07
schasiYup11:07
Ad-Rockhey, anyone can tell me, how to mount an ntfs partition in fstab?11:08
Ad-Rockjust the umask line.. to gain access to it as a normal user11:08
Agrajag/dev/hda1       /mnt/windows    ntfs    users,ro,umask=0222,nls=utf8,exec      0 011:08
Agrajaglike that11:08
schasiutf8???11:09
Ad-RockAgrajag, thx11:09
Agrajagschasi: well, if you don't want lots of (invalid unicode) crap in filenames in nautilus11:09
schasiAnd with fat? What codepages to use there?11:09
Fator_Deemembreya: did you get that mkdvd script working?11:09
Agrajagat least, that's what fixed it for me11:09
AgrajagI don't know, I don't use fat11:09
membreyaFator_Dee: not going to try tonight, gotta go to work soon11:09
schasiAgrajag: Yep same with me but i thought that would require more codepages and som casnting and so on. Last time i mounted fat i had to do that11:10
Fator_Deeblah, work :-p11:10
thoreauputicmembreya: youwork the graveyard shift?11:10
membreyatell me about it Fator_Dee but it's night shift so it's cruisy11:10
schasiHow to mount a fat partition the way that the characters dont look all corrputed and wrong?11:10
membreyai work a 24x7 roster thoreauputic ...but I'm quitting in a few month11:10
membreyas11:10
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membreyaI figure happiness is worth more than the job I have ..it's 50k ...but depressed..so gotta leave work :)11:10
thoreauputicmembreya: yes, good move - work should not be depressing11:11
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Ad-RockAgrajag, i get this mount: /media/windows not mounted already, or bad option11:12
Agrajagwhat11:12
Agrajagwhat does your fstab line say, and what did you try to do?11:12
Ad-Rock/dev/hda1       /media/windows  ntfs    umask=0222,nls=utf8,exec  0 011:13
Ad-Rockthats my fstab line11:13
Ad-Rockand what i tried to do was mount -a -o remount11:13
thoreauputicusers,ro11:13
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Agrajagwhat if you just try mount /media/windows?11:14
fusion88http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=90789#post9078911:14
Ad-RockAgrajag, well as a root it mounts, but i cant access to it as a user11:15
Agrajagoh, add the users option11:15
Agrajag/dev/hda1       /mnt/windows    ntfs    users,ro,umask=0222,nls=utf8,exec      0 011:15
Agrajaglike that11:15
fusion88http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=90789#post9078911:15
Agrajagyou should be able to mount/unmount it at will11:16
Agrajagnot even as root11:16
Ad-Rockwell.. same thing11:16
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Ad-Rockeleazar@wombat:~ $ cd /media/windows/11:17
Ad-Rockbash: cd: /media/windows/: Permission denied11:17
Agrajagreally, you can mount it as a normal user but not see its files?11:17
Agrajagwhat are the permissions on that directory?11:17
Agrajagls -ld /media/windows11:17
Ad-Rocknope, i cant mount it as a user, i can mount it as a root11:17
AgrajagEven with the users option in fstab?11:17
Ad-Rockeleazar@wombat:~ $ ls -ld /media/windows/11:18
Ad-Rockdr-x------  1 root root 8192 2005-03-09 22:31 /media/windows/11:18
Ad-Rockyes11:18
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Agrajagoh11:18
Agrajagsudo chmod 555 /media/windows11:18
Agrajagthat should fix it11:18
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Ad-Rockeleazar@wombat:~ $ sudo chmod 555 /media/windows11:19
Ad-RockPassword:11:19
Ad-Rockchmod: changing permissions of `/media/windows': Read-only file system11:19
Ad-Rockeleazar@wombat:~ $ cd /media/windows/11:19
Ad-Rockbash: cd: /media/windows/: Permission denied11:19
Blackice1963hello tester11:19
Agrajagwait what11:19
Agrajagis that mounted right now?11:20
thoreauputicAgrajag: even root has only r-x on that dir11:20
Agrajagthat's as it should be11:20
Agrajagis it mounted right now?11:20
Ad-Rockyes11:20
Agrajagunmount it11:20
Ad-Rockok11:20
Agrajagthen change perms11:20
Agrajagthough I don't see why it would say that's read-only...11:21
Agrajagwait11:21
Agrajagare you on a livecd?11:21
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Ad-Rocknope11:21
Agrajagoh ok11:21
linux_galor1hai folks11:21
Agrajagwell unmount it, then change perms, then mount it11:21
Ad-Rockwell, i guess that maybe coz ntfs is read only on linux11:21
Ad-Rockok11:21
Agrajagand tell me if it claims to be a read-only filesystem again11:21
linux_galor1Ad-Rock: ntfs is read and write and erase and move in Linux of you use captive11:21
thoreauputicAgrajag: my /mnt/winXP has 755 perms11:21
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Agrajagthoreauputic: that's nice11:22
linux_galor1if11:22
thoreauputicnot 55511:22
Agrajagwriting is a bad idea11:22
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Agrajagso it should be 55511:22
linux_galor1http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/11:22
Agrajagunless you're using captive11:22
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Ad-Rocknothing, damn11:22
Agrajagbut I trust that about as far as I could spit a rat11:22
AgrajagAd-Rock: try changing it to something else, like /mnt/windows11:22
Ad-Rockok11:22
thoreauputicAgrajag: erm, the rwr part refers to *access* , not writing  per se , and that was the default on creation : do you see the point?11:23
Agrajagthoreauputic: no, because that has nothign to do with his problem11:23
thoreauputicAgrajag: OK11:23
Agrajagthe owner having write perms doesn't matter11:23
Agrajagmine is dr-xr-xr-x11:24
Agrajagas it should be, for a read-only FS11:24
Ad-Rocknothing11:24
Agrajagok... this is weird11:24
ace2001acis gnome help broken in hoary currently?11:25
Ad-Rocksomeone on this same channel told me like 2 weeks ago the line.. but i forgot it11:25
Agrajagline for what?11:25
Agrajagthe fstab one?11:25
AgrajagI know for a fact the one I gave you works, because I use it myself11:25
Ad-Rockyeah, and i worked back then11:25
Agrajagon 3 filesystems11:25
Agrajagso something is screwed up11:25
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Ad-Rockyeah11:26
mxrone thing i don't get. ubuntu has apt-get but when trying to install mplayer-custom i get The following packages have unmet dependencies:11:26
Ad-RockAgrajag, are u on hoary?11:26
Agrajagyes11:26
Agrajagbut it also worked in warty11:26
Agrajagand in gentoo before that11:27
Agrajagand mandrake 9 before that11:27
Ad-Rockim on hoary too11:27
thoreauputicmxr: which means you don't have the right repos for mplayer-custom11:27
Ad-Rockshit, this what i call bad luck...11:27
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mxrthoreauputic, so what should i do now?11:28
Agrajagwell,11:28
AgrajagI wish I could help you11:28
scizzowhat is the problem?11:28
linux_galor1mxr: should be using synaptic11:28
Agrajagbut it's 2:30 AM, I should be alseep11:28
Ad-RockAgrajag, dont worry thx anyway11:28
thoreauputicmxr: have you read the restricted formats page, or ubuntuguide.org?11:28
scizzoAd-Rock: what is the problem?11:28
Agrajagwell good luck anyway11:28
Ad-Rockthx11:28
Ad-Rockscizzo, i cant access my ntfs partition as a user11:29
mxrlinux_galor1, ok, will try that. have not used it before. just wanted to try out something new, debian based11:29
mxrthoreauputic, nope, not yet11:29
mxrthoreauputic, i should do that11:29
linux_galor1mxr: the idea of synaptic or apt-get is you dont every download anything you just add a few servers to the sources.list file and then just get apt-get or synaptic to get the package and fix the dependencies11:29
scizzoAd-Rock: what is the fstab mount line?11:29
thoreauputichttp://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats11:29
thoreauputicmxr: ^^11:30
Ad-Rockscizzo, /dev/hda1       /media/windows  ntfs    users,ro,umask=0222,nls=utf8,exec  0 011:30
thoreauputicmxr: http://ubuntuguide.org is also a mine of information11:30
scizzoAd-Rock: ummm...ok?11:30
Ad-Rockscizzo, well that's my fstab line11:31
scizzoAd-Rock: tried to use: defaults,umask=0222,nls=utf8,exec11:31
Ad-Rockscizzo, ok11:31
scizzoand are you sure about the umask?11:31
linux_galor1I usually poke around google for debian servers with the "unofficial" versions of mplayer and the codecs11:31
thoreauputicscizzo: should be right for ntfs11:31
scizzoI use 3 numbers for the umask here11:31
thoreauputicscizzo: read-only11:31
scizzothoreauputic: hmmm....yeah11:32
Agrajagscizzo: you can use 3 or 411:32
Agrajag0 just means you're not using a mask on setgid or setuid or sticky11:32
Agrajag0 at the beginning there I mean11:32
Agrajagit's assumed to be zero if you use 222 instead of 022211:33
scizzoyes yes11:33
scizzo:P11:33
Ad-Rocknothing11:33
scizzohehe11:34
scizzonothing?11:34
Ad-Rocknope, permission denied11:34
scizzols -ld /media/windows11:34
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AgrajagI never had any problems with it11:35
Ad-Rockeleazar@wombat:~ $ ls -ld /mnt/windows/11:35
Ad-Rockdr-x------  1 root root 8192 2005-03-09 22:31 /mnt/windows/11:35
AgrajagAd-Rock: wait, you still can't change perms on it?11:36
thoreauputicAgrajag: congratulations11:36
linux_galor1thoreauputic: its a conspiracy heh heh11:36
thoreauputicAgrajag: I mean this comes up in this channel regularly11:36
Agrajagsomething is very messed up if you can't change that to 55511:36
linux_galor1thoreauputic: I just use captive end of problem ......captive is even good for newbies because it edits the fstab file for them11:37
thoreauputiclinux_galor1: yeah, my tinfoil hat must be wearing out11:37
linux_galor1thoreauputic:  kde has a nice fstab editor in kcontrol something I think gnome needs11:38
Ad-RockAgrajag, when the partition is not mounted its 55511:38
Agrajaghm11:38
Ad-Rockroot@wombat:/home/eleazar # umount /mnt/windows/11:38
Ad-Rockroot@wombat:/home/eleazar # chmod 555 /mnt/windows/11:38
Ad-Rockroot@wombat:/home/eleazar # ls -ld /mnt/windows/11:38
Ad-Rockdr-xr-xr-x  2 root root 4096 2005-03-11 06:23 /mnt/windows/11:38
Ad-Rockroot@wombat:/home/eleazar # mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows11:38
Ad-Rockroot@wombat:/home/eleazar # ls -ld /mnt/windows/11:38
Ad-Rockdr-x------  1 root root 8192 2005-03-09 22:31 /mnt/windows/11:38
Ad-Rocksee?11:38
thoreauputiclinux_galor1: yes, but really this should be done automagically by the installer11:38
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scizzoyou never ever change the permissions with chmod on a win disk....11:38
azriel0184linux_galor1, i call it gedit /etc/fstab :)11:38
linux_galor1just click on the options you want for that partition/device and of it goes11:38
Agrajagscizzo: he's not changing permson the disk11:39
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Agrajaghe's changing perms on the mountpoint11:39
linux_galor1azriel0184: yeah but there its very easy for new users they just click on the options box's11:39
scizzostill...be very careful with chmod on another filesystem11:39
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Agrajagscizzo: he;s mounting it read-only11:39
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NighteyesHy,11:39
Ad-Rockthis is so f*cked up11:40
scizzoif I where you..I would start from the beginning...11:40
dud-why is mysql turned off by defalt in the "etc/php4/apache2/php.ini " file?11:40
NighteyesI'd like to ask your opinion in upgrading to ubuntu hoary..11:40
scizzo1. Umount the disk that has win mounted on it11:40
azriel0184i just copy/pasted the existing entry for the / dir and modified the mountpoint and the device and i was done for my mounts11:40
Ad-RockNighteyes, do it :p11:40
linux_galor1<-- is a long time Linux users loves CLI but also admins Linux on the desktop with real people and now is a big pusher of clicky tools for newbies11:40
NighteyesAd-Rock It's stable enough (i'm not bother with a little unstabillity)11:40
scizzo2. go to fstab....remove everything from the user,blaha thingy but not... defaults, umask=022211:40
Nighteyes* ?11:41
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scizzo3. look at the persmissions on the mountpoint ls -ld /mnt/windows11:41
Ad-RockNighteyes, yeh11:41
scizzo4. change it to the persmissions you want with chmod and chown...11:41
linux_galor1scizzo:  think about what your just posting........then think.........can an idiot do this11:41
dud-heh, this is the first linux distro I've actually used for the desktop, I'm really not sure how to get things done in linux without a cli11:41
Ad-Rockscizzo ok11:41
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scizzo5. try to mount it again and then try to see the differences between unmounted point and mounted point11:42
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linux_galor1no insult intended11:42
thoreauputiclinux_galor1: heh - I wouldn't want an idiot setting up mount points on *my* system ;-)11:42
Ad-Rockomfg! my hdd just ticked! 2 times11:42
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NighteyesAd-Rock And there's no any compatibillity problems because the one thing I like in ubuntu is the organization and how everything function together well.11:42
azriel0184dud, use a cli then?11:42
Nighteyes(and again, i forgot '?')11:42
linux_galor1thoreauputic: yes but what often amazes me is the howto for new users for "any" distro....they are just bazaar as far as Im concerned11:43
RarLukTI have a quick question... I just installed the program, and I wanna setup a network. But it asks for a Root-password. I never made one.. And the password for my account doesn't work..11:43
Haasmadoes anybody know  if ubuntu will start on a 333mhz celeron with 64 mb of ram?11:43
Ad-RockNighteyes, nope dont worry just do it11:43
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leveldochi ppl - does anyone have the same problem with hoary: mozilla-thunderbird doesn't start anymore?11:43
scizzolinux_galor1: well at least I am trying to help11:43
thoreauputiclinux_galor1: the problem is geeks think differently and can't see why they are misunderstood :)11:43
linux_galor1thoreauputic: also makes you wonder about the "just works" motto11:43
schasileveldoc: Do you know why?11:44
azriel0184Haasma, possibly, but it definently wont be prity11:44
oz_hi all - what's the best place for info on installing a TV tuner card (winfast tv 2000 xp)11:44
schasileveldoc: And if you dont, why do you use hoary in the first place ;-) lets see11:44
thoreauputiclinux_galor1: yes, *this* should "just work"11:44
NighteyesAd-Rock Thx :-) And all's left is just to change the apt source and quit the console and apt-get dist-upgrade ?11:44
leveldocschasi: nope. :-) This is what the output is:11:44
scizzolinux_galor1: I am working as a systemtengineer and in my work the impossible things also needs to be looked at even though you get nothing about how things work in the beginning...11:44
schasileveldoc: Try to start it via terminal and look for the errormessages11:44
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leveldoc ***** Registering: Clean Compreg! ****11:44
leveldocobserve:11:44
leveldocnothing here: null11:44
leveldocobserve called11:44
leveldocFILE: [xpconnect wrapped nsIFile] *** loading the extensions datasource11:44
leveldocthis keeps repeating and repeating and ....11:44
linux_galor1scizzo: yes I know but Im trying to make people think about what there saying......to me and you this is everyday stuff for normal people its all some weird new language they dont have time to stuff around with11:44
Haasmai dried core 4.01 or something like that and it didnt start? why?11:44
RarLukTIs there a standard root-password?11:45
scizzolinux_galor1: what do you want me todo? create a script?11:45
thoreauputiccould people *PLEASE* not paste more than four lines in here?11:45
scizzolinux_galor1: login and do it myself to see what happens?11:45
linux_galor1scizzo: no poke the ubuntu people ....11:45
scizzolinux_galor1: what? what do you expect of me?11:45
scizzoI will shut up now then11:45
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leveldocthoreauputic: sorry about that. Won't happen again.11:45
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schasileveldoc: Since when do you have that problem? and what did you do before it broke?11:46
Haasmabye bye11:46
thoreauputicleveldoc: OK - wasn't just for you ;)11:46
linux_galor1scizzo: Im not putting down what you are doing but what my question is ..why doesnt it work11:46
haydenwhat is the default username and pass for folders shared using    System->Administration->Shared Folders11:46
leveldocschasi: that happend after dist-upgrade to hoary. I had no problems before. I tried renaming my profile directory (so that it would create a new one, which it did), but to no avail.11:46
thoreauputicscizzo: i don't think anyone is belittling your efforts to help :)11:47
leveldocschasi: I tried re-installing it as well.11:47
schasileveldoc: Im puzzled and confused11:47
pepperpotI'm trying to run quake2 and am getting: LoadLibrary("ref_softx.so") failed: No such file or directory11:48
leveldocschasi: welcome in my world! :-)11:48
Ad-RockNighteyes, yes, just change where it says warty for hoary, and then sudo apt-get update and then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade11:48
schasileveldoc: Sry cant help here, waaaay to noob for it11:48
cafuegostop accusing me11:48
scizzolinux_galor1: that is what I was trying to find out by doing the steps for him....11:48
leveldoccan anyone else help me?11:48
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scizzolinux_galor1: I wrote 1. do this... 2. do that.. etc...11:48
schasileveldoc: But you upgraded to hoary which is not stable. Can happen ;-)11:48
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linux_galor1I used to run around throwing all the cryptic Linux/Unix stuff around until I realised most people are too embarrassed to say they havent got a clue what your saying so go along with it then just reboot delete Linux and go back to windows11:49
scizzolinux_galor1: if he gets stuck at some point he can always ask again about the step....11:49
schasileveldoc: Did you search for it? I dont think anyone in here can help you11:49
netdurhey people, what do you use to listen to music (mp3)?11:49
Ad-Rockscizzo, i did the four steps, the permissions change when i mount the partition, and still i cant access as a user11:49
jscnice job on hoary guys..... installed on an amd64 laptop without a hitch11:49
Ad-Rocknetdur, xmms11:49
thoreauputicscizzo: the pont we were discussing was "why is this not handled by the installer?"11:49
leveldocschasi: sure it can. Just didn't think something like mozilla-thunderbird would fail... as it is fairly stable.11:49
scizzoAd-Rock: what are the permissions?11:49
thoreauputic*point11:49
scizzothoreauputic: good questions11:49
leveldocyes, I did last night. Maybe I should try again today?11:49
scizzothoreauputic: -s11:49
linux_galor1thoreauputic: correct.....this isnt a just works thing anymore so by definition its broken11:50
netdurthanks11:50
scizzobut then again...you need to find the source of the problem don't you?11:50
schasileveldoc: Wait until it is fiexed ;-)11:50
thoreauputiclinux_galor1: and appears not to have been fixed in hoary11:50
Ad-Rockscizzo, with the partition umounted: dr-xr-xr-x  2 root root 4096 2005-03-11 06:23 /mnt/windows/11:50
linux_galor1thoreauputic: not good11:50
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scizzoAd-Rock: ok...and mounted?11:50
leveldocok, another thing: how do KDE applications interface with the sound solution that has been found in hoary?11:50
Ad-Rockscizzo, with the partition mounted: dr-x------  1 root root 8192 2005-03-09 22:31 /mnt/windows/11:50
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linux_galor1thoreauputic: need to tell the ubuntu team11:51
leveldocI guess it's esd again, isn't it?11:51
thoreauputicAd-Rock: have you tried mounting as a user?11:51
linux_galor1leveldoc: artsd11:51
scizzoAd-Rock: hmm..nothing changed then11:51
leveldoclinux_galor1: just install that?11:51
Ad-Rockthoreauputic, nope just as root11:51
RarLukTQuick question; Is there a standard root-password?11:51
schasiartsd is for kde and esd for gnome, right?11:51
scizzoAd-Rock: for some reason it seems like the umask is not being used when mounting it...or something simular11:51
linux_galor1leveldoc: artsd should be installed when kde is installed11:51
thoreauputicAd-Rock: try it as a user11:51
schasiRarLukT: There is no root ;-)11:51
zeedoRarLukT: the password for root isnt set11:51
zeedoRarLukT: use sudo11:52
linux_galor1leveldoc: artsd can be managed under kcontrol or use kmix11:52
leveldoclinux_galor1: well, I don't want KDE installed, I just need two applications to run (under GNOME): kile and skype.11:52
Ad-Rockthoreauputic, eleazar@wombat:~ $ mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows/11:52
Ad-Rockmount: only root can do that11:52
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linux_galor1leveldoc: yeah bit of a bummer that11:52
leveldocand especially skype needs access to microphone and speakers. Worked with Warty without any problems.11:52
thoreauputicAd-Rock: try just mount /mnt/windows11:52
RarLukTsudo?11:52
zeedoRarLukT: man sudo11:53
schasisudo!11:53
linux_galor1leveldoc: kde has been integrating most of its stuff11:53
thoreauputicthat error always happens if you do it with /dev11:53
schasiHow comes i need some sound servers and the like to have more than one thing making noise at once for linux?11:53
linux_galor1thoreauputic: try instaling the artsd sound server11:53
Ad-Rockthoreauputic, eleazar@wombat:~ $ mount /mnt/windows/11:53
Ad-Rockmount: can't find /mnt/windows in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab11:53
leveldoclinux_galor1: so what do I need to do in order to get it working? Disable esd for GNOME and have everything use OSS?11:53
RarLukTZeedo: What do you mean by sudo?11:53
Ad-Rockand its on fstab11:53
thoreauputiclinux_galor1: ?11:54
linux_galor1leveldoc: well kde uses oss or alsa11:54
thoreauputicAd-Rock: weirder and weirder11:54
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Ad-Rockoh wait11:54
leveldocok, so OSS is the way to go then. I disable ESD in the Sound Settings of GNOME, right?11:54
Ad-Rockthoreauputic, i removed, users,ro from fstab11:54
linux_galor1leveldoc: no i run both works fine11:54
leveldocthen I switch everything over to use OSS directly and I am done, correct?11:54
thoreauputicAd-Rock: ls -ld /etc/fstab    ?11:54
leveldoclinux_galor1: so where do I need to look up the reason why skape fails to access my speaker and microphone?11:55
johsoHey peeps ;)11:55
thoreauputicAd-Rock: ah, yes I think you'll need "users" :)11:55
leveldocor better yet, what's changed since warty regarding this?11:55
linux_galor1leveldoc: dont know11:55
leveldocok11:55
leveldocthanks anyway11:55
Ad-Rockthoreauputic, and ro?11:56
scizzoAd-Rock: mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows -t ntfs -r -o umask=022211:56
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zeedoRarLukT: sudo is a command for allowing you to run programs as root11:56
scizzoAd-Rock: try that once instead of using fstab thingy11:56
thoreauputicAd-Rock: won't do any harm (I have it here)11:56
Ad-Rockscizzo, as root?11:56
scizzoAd-Rock: yes11:56
scizzoAd-Rock: I am just trying to find answers on the NTFS page for Linux now...11:57
johsoI've got my wireless working here, but I need to do a 'sudo modprobe acerhk usedritek=1 autowlan=1 force_series=290' and then 'echo 1 > /proc/drivers/acerhk/wirelessd' everytime I start up. Could I somehow get this done automatic on startup?11:57
Ad-Rockscizzo: it worked!11:57
scizzoAd-Rock: hmmm11:57
pepperpotDoes the current hoary quake2 package work for anyone here?11:58
Ad-Rockscizzo, how do i put that exact line in fstab?11:58
scizzoAd-Rock: the fstab line should be: /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows ntfs ro,umask=0222 0 011:58
scizzoor something like that11:58
thoreauputicjohso: write it as a script, put it in /etc/init.d, then use update-rc.d to make the links11:59
scizzoAd-Rock: http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/info/ntfs.html#4.111:59
scizzoAd-Rock: there is the info I found11:59
johsothoreauputic: - what about the password it asks for when I do a sudo first time?12:00
scizzoAd-Rock: you can start with ro,umask=0222 then try to see if you can add other things to that line....12:00
scizzoAd-Rock: to restrict it or change thingys... :)12:00
thoreauputicjohso: although the modprobe part can be short-cicuited by putting the module in /etc/modules12:00
Ad-Rockscizzo, thx so much man, really12:00
scizzoAd-Rock: no problem12:01
thoreauputicjohso: startup scripts run as root - sudo isn't required12:01
johsothoreauputic: ahh, I see :)12:01
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johsothoreauputic: however, I've not really got an idea of how to make a startup script?12:02
thoreauputicjohso: essentially, you just put your commands in a file, one per line, with #!/bin/sh as the top line, save the file, make it executable12:03
thoreauputicjohso: lots of begining howtos on scripting on the web12:04
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jesuelhah, the punisher is a good movie12:04
thoreauputicjohso: yours will be quite easy to write, since you already know the commands12:05
thoreauputicjohso: use gedit or whatever editor you feel comfortable with12:06
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Elephantmanhi12:07
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Elephantmandoes anyone know if hoary final will include kernel 2.6.11 ?12:07
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johsothoreauputic: got it - but making it executable?12:08
thoreauputicjohso: chmod +x yourscript12:08
Myrttichmod12:08
johsooh, ofc! thanks :D12:09
haydenwhats the command to see the shared folders on computers on the network12:09
Ad-Rockwell guys, im gonna get some sleep, thx for all cya all12:09
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thoreauputicjohso: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO.html  << not a bad intro12:10
johsothx!12:11
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johsoIs it necessary to reboot after this, or is ctrl-alt-backspace enough?12:11
thoreauputicjohso: although that will tell you *much* more than you need to know to make your startup script :D12:11
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thoreauputicjohso: to test the script, you would need to reboot, (easier) or after update-rc.d is finished, do /etc/init.d/myscript start12:12
johsothoreauputic: Well, as long as it's not totally unimportant information, I think I'll survive..12:13
thoreauputicjohso: man update-rc.d will tell you the steps12:13
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GuineaHi!12:13
thoreauputicjohso: oh, no - that tut is quite good, and useful if you want to write other scripts12:14
GuineaWhen I try to start a program, it says: "ImportError: No module named gtk" - What can I do?12:14
NermalElephantman, I expect so12:16
Elephantmanyou expect ?12:16
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johsoalso, another, gnome related, problem I have, is that when I browse through folders, each folder opens in a new windows. that's just extremely annoying, so how do I disable this?12:17
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wezzer-johso: press shift while you double click folder12:18
Myrttioh btw, is there a way of setting OpenOffice to use a certain location/locales-file, keeping the whole other system in English?12:18
dmouritsendkjohso, you can change the default in gconf12:18
wezzer-or then click the folder on right button and secelt "browse"12:18
thoreauputicjohso: I feel your pain :/  In warty at least, you can choose "open as browser"12:18
wezzer-or then like dmouritsendk said12:18
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zbowlinghttp://polystimulus.com/Screenshot-WeatherSharp.png12:19
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dmouritsendkjohso,  (using gconf-editor, select /apps/nautilus/preferences/ and set always_use_browser to true)12:20
johsopressing shift is better, but it's still annoying that the height/width changes all the time ..12:20
thoreauputicjohso: in the nautilus file manager, under edit >> preferences >> behaviour, there is "always open as browser'  (in warty)12:20
njanAnyone any clue why alsa in warty would just have broken such that it's totally unlistenable to because of obscene distortion? This happened to me in hoary with the same card a few weeks back :(12:20
johsoThanks guys, this is much, much, much better! :D12:21
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johsoBut I still wonder why the default is like that, I don't think that anybody likes it.12:22
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johsosomeone got a good link to icons? my mplayer icon has white background, which makes it stand out from the rest, looks kind of stupid..12:23
thoreauputicjohso: indeed, I don't understand it either: in fact I now use a different file manager whenever possible12:23
thoreauputicrox filer12:23
thoreauputicjohso: well, make one in the gimp with a transparent b'ground, and save it as .png ;-)12:23
johsois it good? maybe a bit prettier?12:24
thoreauputicrox? It's very configurable and quick12:24
johsomkai, maybe I should try it... Where to get?12:24
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thoreauputicbut it takes a bit of setting up12:24
thoreauputichmm - warty or hoary?12:25
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johsoWarty...12:25
niklsI have an ASUS Z8GP30 laptop and I installed Ubuntu on it hoping it would automatically install the wifi but it didn't. I don't know how to install wifi, can someone help me.12:25
zbowlinghttp://polystimulus.com/Screenshot-WeatherSharp.png mono rules.. crap app I wrote in 3 minutes to get the current weather forcast.. needs some UI love but I can do that in a few more minutes12:25
dmouritsendkjohso, u could also check http://art.gnome.org/art-icons/ or http://www.gnomelook.org/index.php?xcontentmode=120&PHPSESSID=da1a610f419c92b476459fa174ec5afe to find other icons if u dont wanna mess with it urself12:25
thoreauputicjohso: I have a deb here, if you like I can dcc it to you12:26
johsoI would appreciate that, thank you.12:26
johsodmouritsendk: thx mate :)12:27
thoreauputicoffered, johso12:27
thoreauputicjohso: can you accept the dcc?12:28
johsoI did..?12:28
thoreauputicdid you highlight it first?12:28
thoreauputicnot moving here12:28
johsoehm - not sure, but I think I got it?12:29
thoreauputicno, it hasn't moved12:29
johsoI'm using Opera here, maybe there is some kind of interuption between?12:29
thoreauputicah12:29
thoreauputicdo you have xchat?12:29
johsonope, haven't got the file..12:29
thoreauputicyou must, since you have ubuntu :)12:29
thoreauputicOK Opera doesn't like it, I guess12:30
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zbowlingOpera?12:31
johsowell, give it one try more, maybe I did something wrong - then I'll try xchat..12:31
zbowlingno comment12:31
johsoIt can't be true that my beloved Opera could do such a thing ;)12:31
envelWhere is the grub menu.lst located?12:31
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envelhelp please12:32
Myrttienvel: locate menu.lst?12:32
envelaahhh...!12:32
envelnot working:(12:32
thoreauputicjohso: offering it again12:32
johsonah, nothing new there - I'll try xchat..12:32
Myrttienvel: without the questionmark?12:32
johso_thoreauputic, here...12:32
Myrtti:-)12:33
thoreauputicjohso, BTW I'm on dialup - so it will take a few minutes to upload ;)12:33
envelMyrty: it says: could not open database12:33
envelsorry, Myrtti12:33
johsothoreauputic: dialup? hmm, may I ask why?12:33
thoreauputicjohso, poverty ?12:34
thoreauputic;-)12:34
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envelWhere is the grub config file menu.lst located?12:34
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thoreauputic /boot12:34
envelah-ha! thanks12:34
johsothoreauputic: allrighty then ;) but dial-up would be more expensive than cabel here...12:34
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thoreauputicjohso, heh, not in australia12:35
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johsothoreauputic: one word: scary :P12:35
johsothoreauputic: If it will take a few minutes, I think I'll just reboot to see if my script works, and then you can send it :)12:36
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RickXcan someone point me to docs on how to use a ram stick or removable drive for configs, settings and /home?12:41
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ubuseerI've been searching through the forums about enabling scrollwheel on a synaptic touchpad on a gateway 200x laptop, does anyone have any success with that?12:42
johsoAnd it works without a single prob. Beautiful :)12:42
thoreauputicRickX: any forum for knoppix, or damnsmall linux12:42
RickX... that would be using the LiveCD12:42
thoreauputicjohso: so, you are a bash guru now ! *grin*12:43
RickXthoreauputic: the same scan command works for Ubuntu as for Knoppix?12:43
johsothoreauputic: Yir! lol12:43
thoreauputicRickX: I don't know, sorry - have you tried?12:43
johsothoreauputic: This reboot reminded my of one thing - everytime I boot up, it's almost "stopping" at 'Configuring network interfaces' - is this a common problem or what?12:44
RickXthoreauputic: no. I just DLed the LiveCD iso.12:44
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thoreauputicjohso: were you online?12:44
RickXI don't supose it will hurt anyting to try it.12:44
thoreauputicRickX: yeah, you can yell at me if it doesn't ;-)12:45
thoreauputicjohso: are you on xchat now?12:45
RickXthoreauputic: I will be at work then :-) ... I'll probably be playing with some LiveCDs this weekend, though.12:46
RickXthanks.12:46
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johso_thoreauputic, I'm on both, this is xchat12:47
ubuseerhas anyone have any success with enabling the scrollwheel on a touchpad in ubuntu?12:47
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thoreauputicOK - here it comes, at a bou 3k/sec if you're lucky ;)12:47
johso_lol!12:48
thoreauputicOk it's going..12:48
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johso_I'm lucky!12:48
thoreauputichehe12:48
thoreauputicyou'll find it in ~/.xchat2/12:49
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thoreauputicjohso, ~/.xchat2/Downloads I believe...12:50
thoreauputicunless you changed the default12:50
thoreauputicwow, 390 kb already!12:50
johsothoreauputic: haven't been using xchat, so i haven't... (at least I don't think so) :P12:50
thoreauputicI used to use Opera, but i stopped using it last year12:51
johsoWhy?12:51
johsoWhy would anyone want to do that? :S12:51
thoreauputicfirefox does all I want, with extensions12:51
goldfishlol12:51
thoreauputichaha12:51
goldfishopera is faster12:51
johsoindeed gold, indeed!12:52
thoreauputicjohso, also, it's "unfree" ;)12:52
goldfishfirefox is quite slow on ubuntu12:52
goldfisheven with the ipv6 tweek12:52
goldfishi may try some other browser12:52
goldfishs12:52
schasiipv6 tweak?12:52
goldfishyeah12:52
schasilinks?12:52
schasilink12:52
thoreauputicgoldfish: if you want *fast*, try dillo12:52
goldfishubuntuguide.org schasi12:52
goldfishin tips and tricks section12:52
thoreauputicbut dillo is kind of limiting...12:52
goldfishah right12:53
johsothoreauputic: true, but you know, but something is worth paying for :)12:53
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thoreauputicjohso I wasn't referring to price ;)  free as in "free speech"12:53
thoreauputicOK the send is complete, it seems12:54
johsothoreauputic: uhm - I'm so not following you :P12:54
johsolike when ppl talk 'bout it?12:54
thoreauputichttp://www.gnu.org/philosophy/philosophy.html12:55
thoreauputicjohso, that explains "free"12:55
johsothoreauputic: well, then it's still somehow related to the price ;)12:56
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thoreauputicI think the only "non free" prog I have is Real Player ( for listening to the BBC)12:56
johsoCouldn't you find a alternative for that?12:57
thoreauputicjohso. so you found your rox deb?12:57
johsothoreauputic: aye - I'm just about to install12:57
thoreauputicjohso, real use proprietary codecs, as far as I know12:57
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ritalinhola12:58
goldfishhi12:58
alejandrohola ritalin12:58
ritalinIm getting ready to try ubuntu12:58
ritalinlooks neat12:58
johsothoreauputic: any notes before I install it? ;)12:59
thoreauputicjust do sudo dpkg -i12:59
thoreauputicyou probably know that12:59
ritalinWill I be able to upgrade from a preview release of hoary to the official when it comes out?12:59
ritalinor will i need a reinstall?12:59
johsoyea, I do ;)12:59
sal002s there a lightweight wm in ubuntu? that I can insyall via apt-get?01:00
alejandroalguno que hable espaol x la sala?01:00
sal002or how do I search debs?01:00
ritalinim guessing apt-get search "foo"01:01
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johsothoreauputic: installed - now what?01:01
ritalinalthough ive only used fink on os x01:01
thoreauputicapt-cache search "foo"01:01
minimalhi, I have a problem with my Ubuntu linux01:01
sal002rit: nope :P01:01
thoreauputicjohso: http://rox.sourceforge.net/phpwiki/index.php/01:01
dmouritsendksal002, might wanna take a peek @ http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html01:02
thoreauputicjohso: just type rox in a terminal01:02
minimali tried to add to the grub config another system to boot but it still doesn't want to boot anything else than ubuntu01:02
johsothoreauputic: found out - but can I make it default opener?01:02
A-L-P-H-Ahow do I setup multiple monitors?  I have 3 monitors, one card is an ATI9200se (AGP), and the other card is an ATI9200 (PCI).  Currently the same desktop is being displayed on both monitors on my PCI card.01:02
thoreauputicjohso: not really - all of the gnome desktop is tied to nautilus01:03
ritalinSo did anyone know?01:03
ritalinif you will be able to upgrade preview releases?01:03
ritalinwhen official comes out01:03
johsothoreauputic: okay..01:03
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thoreauputicjohso: in rox, right-click >> help01:03
minimalanyone here willing to help?01:04
thoreauputicthe help is quite good01:04
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sal002dmouritsendk: Thanks!01:04
thoreauputicritalin: sure, just keep doing apt-get dist-upgrade01:04
ritalinthoreauputic: ty01:04
johsothoreauputic: But it does open in Firefox, eventhough Opera is default :P01:04
dmouritsendksal002, no problem :)01:05
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ritalinnjan: you sad?01:05
thoreauputicjohso: that's a gnome issue01:05
ritalinIm bouncing off the walls here01:05
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ritalinbig ole pot of coffee01:05
njanritalin, I'm unhappy because alsa is screwed and I have no clue why. I think the problem which crippled my hoary has made it into warty.01:05
minimalhow to add another system to boot to the grub??01:05
thoreauputicritalin: we noticed ;-)01:05
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njanritalin, and unfortunately, alsa is one of the few things I use practically 12 hours a day01:06
ritalinnjan: that sucks01:06
saciitsdoes anyone has dcgui-qt working on hoary?01:06
ritalinId offer help but im a OS X user01:06
njanritalin, heh01:06
ritalinmy sound just works01:06
thoreauputicminimal: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst01:06
njanritalin, I'm seriously considering distro. Unfortunately, things seem to break for me in ubuntu more than I should, but I switched to ubuntu because it's stabler as a desktop than any other distro I've used :(01:07
thoreauputicritalin: just out of interest, how did you do the "registered" symbol?01:07
njans/considering distro/considering switching distro/01:07
minimalthoreauputic, i did that already but it still doesn't work :/01:07
ritalinthoreauputic: alt-r01:07
Kvarki downloaded new fonts and now i got TTF files but have no idea what to do with them, please help01:07
thoreauputicminimal: well, sounds like you got it wrong...01:07
thoreauputicritalin: thanks01:07
ritalin01:07
jesuelnjan: ubuntu has been basically perfect for me. Ive not broken it beyond fixing yet.01:07
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sal002Anyone here use x2x?01:08
njanjesuel, it's been really good for me too. Alsa is the first thing to seriously break.01:08
dmouritsendknjan, what kind of work are you using you computer for (and what apps give u problems?)01:08
jesuelwhat did you do to it?01:08
minimalthoreauputic, would you be so kind and tell me how to do it right? :)01:08
thoreauputicritalin: doesn't do it here :(01:08
ritalinWell im getting ready to delete my os x and install ubuntu so hopefully i wont have the same issues01:08
njandmouritsendk, nothing terribly exciting, and no apps in particular - alsa is just totally screwed; there's massive distortion irrespective of whether I'm using alsa or oss emulation and irrespective of what I use to play audio.01:08
thoreauputicminimal: maybe someone with grub experience - I used lilo until last month :)01:09
njanjesuel, nothing, it just broke. I didn't even apt-get update01:09
minimalthoreauputic, i used lilo too, and that's why i now have problems with grub :/01:09
dmouritsendknjan, aah. the many joys of alsa :D01:09
jesuelI took my laptop to work today, my coworkers already want me to help them install ubuntu on their home systems and setup their systems.01:09
thoreauputicritalin: ppc ubuntu works well01:09
dmouritsendknjan, what sc u got?01:09
ritalinIm doing the preview01:09
ritalinhope it isnt to buggy01:09
njandmouritsendk, OEM AC97 laptop card; Sigmatel chipset01:09
thoreauputicjohso: how are you getting on with rox?01:10
thoreauputicritalin: ah, I just have warty on my iBook01:10
ritalinSweet ,thats what im installing on01:10
ritalinibook G4, 800mhz01:11
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thoreauputicG4 1.2 Ghz, 768MB RAM01:11
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ritalinStill no Airport Extreme support is there?01:11
thoreauputicno01:11
ritalin:(01:11
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jesuelblah airport's01:11
jesuelyuck01:12
ritalindamn broadcom!01:12
ritalinthey are evil01:12
jesuelyes, yes they are.01:12
jimarkohey all :D01:12
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Kvarkanyone know what to do with .TTF files?01:12
dmouritsendknjan, what alsa driver are you using for it?01:12
ritalinKvark: delete them?01:12
Kvarkno, i want the fonts01:13
thoreauputicKvark: ttf ? true type fonts?01:13
jimarkoin Nautilus type 'fonts:///' in the address bar, and then drag and drop em01:13
Kvarkyeah01:13
thoreauputicput them in .fonts01:13
Kvarkand then they work?01:13
thoreauputic~/.fonts01:13
jimarkowhen you login/logout they should show up01:13
ritalinYou have to config your x11 dont you?01:13
thoreauputicyes01:13
ritalinI had to on gentoo anyways01:13
ritalinit was a bitch01:13
Kvarksweet thats easy :)01:13
jimarkoyeh, ttfs on RH7.3 and an old debian was evil01:14
jesueljimarko: oh god dont remind me01:14
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jesuelrh7.3 was my nemesis for the longest while when i was setting it up.01:15
jimarkohey, just a general question about the Ubuntu crew... are they primarily located in America, Europe, Australia, Asia, etc?01:15
jesuelI seriously wanted to pull my hair out.01:15
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jesueljimarko: on the moon!01:15
thoreauputicjimarko: all over01:15
Vjazjimarko: They code it in the Congo.01:15
jimarkojesuel: Yeh, and then RH8 was no better... I remember my first impression was, 'wtf no MP3 support'01:16
thoreauputicjimarko: several in Australia for example01:16
Vjazjimarko: (joke, which probably no one got...)01:16
jimarkolol01:16
jesueljimarko: that was easily fixed, but anyhow.01:16
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jimarkoyeh, i know it was, but after using Mandrake 8.3 before that, i was expecting it out of the box01:17
jesuelI actually used rh up to release 9, then migrated to debian, now its ubuntu.01:17
jesuelI started rh with 5.201:17
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jimarkoYeh, i was loving RH9, the i went to debian for my games servers, then back to Fedora c2 and c3, now i've 'come home' to Ubuntu01:17
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thoreauputicjesuel: I tried rh8 - it stayed on my machine for 1 day before I installed Debian :)01:18
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jesuelthoreauputic: lol. I didnt know any better.01:18
thoreauputicneither did I at the time :)01:18
jimarkoI asked my question before about where the Ubuntu Team was from because i noticed a bit of a New Zealand influence :)01:18
ritalinubuntu come with java?01:18
thoreauputicRPMs drove me nuts01:18
jesuelI came from a irix and solaris background01:18
jesuelI still have 3 sun boxes at home, and 2 sgi's01:19
jesueldid i mention, i hate solaris.... :)01:19
ritalinMy only nix experince is fbsd and gentoo01:19
thoreauputicjimarko: I assume there's a bit of South African influence at the top ;)01:19
ritalinOS X if you wanna count that as a nix01:19
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jimarkoits cool tho, it gave me the first impression of 'hippy'01:19
jesuelosx is kinda interesting.01:19
thoreauputicritalin: it sort of is - buried rather deep though01:20
jesuelI dont think ill ever have a computer with it though.01:20
jimarkolol, osx + LDAP + active directory + high server load = high blood pressure01:20
ritalinI just really like gnome is why im switching01:20
jesuelI really like gnome too :)01:20
ritalingnome keeps getting better and better01:20
thoreauputicjesuel: I run it in mac-on-linux for windows media ( irony!)01:20
jesuelAs long as your computer is fast enough to handle all the eyecandy.01:21
jesuelthoreauputic: ....01:21
jimarkoHey are there any Ubuntu Doom3'ers here? PM me if ya are, i wanna chat about a couple of issues (plz)01:21
thoreauputiclinux is much snappier on ppc than mac OS-X01:21
CosaNostraSomebody here willing to help me with installing soundcard drivers..?01:21
jimarkothoreauputic: I whacked Yellow Dog on a mac, and it runs sweet01:21
ritalinCosaNostra: im not expert but you should just ask, not ask to ask01:22
jesuelI gotta see ubuntu-ppc one of these days01:22
jesuelubuntu on a athlon 64 is very fast.01:22
ritalinanything on athlon 64 is01:22
ritalinuber arch01:22
thoreauputicjimarko: yes, ubuntu ppc is impressive too (haven't used yellow dog)01:22
jesuelHeck my machine feels faster than my dual sparc desktop at work.01:22
jimarkoI want a fast NVidia card, cos ATI UT2004 linux is giving me hell01:22
ritalin680001:23
jesueli play ati ut2004 linux01:23
jesuelshrug, works fine01:23
jimarkoYeh? really01:23
jimarkowhat drivers do you use?01:23
jesuelstandard fglrx01:23
jesuelim in hoary.01:23
jimarkooh01:23
ritalinyou hoar01:23
ritalin:P01:23
jesuelIm getting nice framerates with everything turned up max tooo01:24
jesuelmind you this is a laptop :)01:24
jimarkohrm.. i use the standard fglrx drivers, and yeh, frame-rate is good, just choppy. All my other games (NWN, q3, ET, stepmania, doom3, etc) all run sweet, but its only UT2004 that has the choppiness problem01:24
ritalinthoreauputic: did ubuntu  congif x11 for a lcd and power manage etc etc01:24
ritalindid it handle all the laptop specific issues is what im asking01:25
jesuelq3 i get no sound. Ive never played et. Dont know what stepmania is. Doom3, never played it yet.01:25
thoreauputicritalin: not suspend/sleep01:25
jimarkoit used to run sweet on win32, but on linux (FC3, Ubuntu) it ran bad01:25
ritalinahh01:25
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ritalinDo your sound buttons work in linux?01:25
thoreauputicritalin: the modem is unsupported as well01:25
jimarkoq3 is probably a /dev/dsp permissions problem. just add yourself to the 'audio' group using usermod01:26
thoreauputicsound buttons are fine01:26
A-L-P-H-Acan someone tell me how to update firefox to version 1.01?  As it's not listed in the software updates.01:26
jesueljimarko: have you patched ut2004?01:26
jimarko3355?01:26
jimarko(at least i think thats the patchlevel im on)01:26
jesueljimarko: IT freez's when i connect to a server if i have sound enabled01:26
jesuelheck if i know, its the latest patch they put out.01:27
jimarkojesuel: yeh, i updated a couple of days back01:27
jesuelnot that i need sound for q3. :)01:27
jimarkolol, 133701:27
jimarkoheeh01:27
jesuelI just play instagib on q3dm1701:27
jesuelall i need to do is barely see you and youre dead01:27
jimarkomy fave map ATM is Deck17 on ut2004. Ah, nostalgia01:28
jesuelAh, i just started playing ut200401:28
jesuelnever played ut2003 or the original ut much.01:28
jimarkoso with UT2004, did you install and custom updates or libraries to get it cranking well? (such as any custom openAL drivers)01:29
jesuelnope01:29
jimarkoI hardly played ut, except for CTF-face.01:29
jimarkook, could ya give us a rundown of your sys specs01:29
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jimarkoMSI K7N2G MB, Athlon XP 1800+, 512 DDR400 SDRAM, ATI 9800 PRO 128MB, SB LIVE! emk10k1, 120 GB Western Digital01:30
jimarkotheres mine01:30
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jesueljimarko: amd64 3200+, laptop mobo, 1gb ddr 400 ram, ati radeon 9700 mobility 128mb, onboard sound via82xxx, 60gb 7200 rpn hitachi laptop drive :)01:32
jimarkoah, amd6401:32
jimarkothat could have something to do with it01:32
jesuelbasically, a smoking laptop01:32
jimarkoyeh, its a fair beast ;)01:32
jesuelall under 6 pounds with over 3 hours battery life.01:32
jimarkohot on the legs?01:33
jesuelnot at all.01:33
jesuelive done some mod's to it though.01:33
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jesuelIts where I want it for a laptop01:33
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jesuelvery damm fast.01:33
tapiahi01:34
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jimarkoyeh, laptop are known for they're suckiness, but this sounds nuts01:34
jimarkopositively nuts01:34
tapiais there any chance to use nptl with ubuntu or debian?01:34
jesuelShrug, some laptops are decent.01:34
jesuelI got more to do it though01:35
jimarkothats cool tho01:35
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jesuelIm taking out the touchscreen, Adding a second hd to it. and adding one of those eraser type clickers from a ibm laptop01:36
jesuelJust barely enough room to do it. :)01:36
jimarkocool! so what kinda work do you do on it? you a dev, or a multimedia dude, or ...?01:36
jesuelnetwork admin @ work01:37
jesuelthis is just my toy :)01:37
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jimarkonice :D01:37
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da_bon_bonhi all01:37
jesuel'lo da_bon_bon01:38
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jimarkoyeh, i'm shooting for a multimedia/games/GFX editing box, so its been a mission to get any distro to play how i want01:38
jesuelOh I do some audio stuff, some gfx and games01:38
jesuelbut its not my primary focus.01:38
jimarkobut Ubuntu has got the closest01:38
da_bon_bonjesuel: hiya01:38
jesueljust keep working at it.01:38
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jesuelmmm good song.01:39
jesuelthis song pisses the neighbors off when I play it loud in the truck in the mornings. :)01:39
da_bon_bonwhats better ? gparted or qtparted ?01:39
jimarkoyeh, i've got my primary apps going, but things like GIMP aren't at the cutting edge of the release levels, cos i'm still trying to get my mind around .debs and updating them without removing other vital components01:39
jesueljimarko: takes time. :)01:40
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jimarkoyeh it does. I found it strange that if i was to update gimp, synaptic was keen to remove 'ubuntu-desktop'.. *scratches head*01:40
jesuellike i busted my head against my laptop for a day or so, trying to get the vpn client included with ubuntu to work with my work system.01:40
jesuelIT should have worked. but no..01:41
jesueljimarko: thats mean of synaptic01:41
jimarkolol01:41
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jimarkoi tried a 'dpkg --force-all gimp.x.deb' but nup, no good01:41
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jimarkoits all good, im ok with working on an older version of gimp01:42
iSupermanis there anyway to get dvdbackup to show progress??01:42
jimarkofor now ;)01:42
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thoreauputicubuntu-desktop is a meta-package - removing hurts nothing01:42
da_bon_bonthoreauputic: whats a meta package ?01:43
jimarkoah ok. I just don't wanna bork my install, as its a finely crafted beast01:43
jimarkoda_bon_bon: dummy package to resolve obsolete dependancies01:43
thoreauputicit just depends on a bunch of other stuff - pulls in dependencies01:43
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da_bon_bonthoreauputic: something like kubuntu-desktop ?01:43
jimarkoi think libxine is a meta01:44
thoreauputicda_bon_bon: I guess - apt-cache show kubuntu-desktop would tell you01:44
blackstari am sure that you guys are familiar with how some people are able to have their terminal integrated as part of their desktop - meaning that terminal is fixed to the desktop as though it were a background...how do i do this01:45
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da_bon_bonthoreauputic: no, i am telling u. acc. to ur desc. kubuntu-desktop is a meat-package01:45
da_bon_bonmeta01:45
jimarkohey, what kinda burning apps do you guys use on ubuntu?01:45
jesuelmmm meat package01:45
jimarkoblackstar: I dunno, but its cool :D01:45
thoreauputicda_bon_bon: OK ... LOL ....01:45
jesuelim hungry.01:45
da_bon_bonjimarko: graveman, gnome-baker, k3b01:45
jesuelgnome-baker here01:46
thoreauputicda_bon_bon: I have no actual interest in kubuntu, but a meat package sounds good right now ;)01:46
blackstarthnks jimarko...its really cool - i would love to get it running - i have read and found nothing - but the answer is out there somewhere01:46
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jimarko*googles gnome-baker*01:46
jesuelthoreauputic: definitely a meat package sounds tasty01:46
jimarkoi should be able to 'apt-get install gnome-baker' right?01:47
SiRrUsjimarko you can graveman01:47
da_bon_bonjimarko: gnome-baker is not in repos01:48
thoreauputicjimarko: probably not - are you on hoary?01:48
jimarkonah, warty01:48
da_bon_bonjimarko: get the deb from the home page01:48
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jimarkoaight01:48
jimarkothx guys :D01:48
thoreauputicjimarko: I'll give you a link for warty - hold on01:48
error_29What about the built-in cd burner in nautilus?  that seemed to work for me when graveman wouldn't01:49
jimarkogot it!01:49
thoreauputicjimarko: http://people.debian.org/~goedson/packages/ubuntu/warty/01:49
jimarko:-D01:49
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thoreauputicah - too slow :)01:49
jimarkolol, thx tho01:49
thoreauputicerror_29: it's fine for data01:49
InitMasswhich is the best burning program? many say k3b but is it the best even if you are a gnome user?01:49
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thoreauputicInitMass: yes, k3b is very good01:50
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error_29thoreauputic, if I want to add just one package from an outside repository, how do I do that without adding the whole repo to my list...?01:50
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jimarkoi used k3b in Fed c3, but as there is no KDE enviro in warty, i thought i'd try a native gnome app01:51
Neil3i'm also looking for a decent gtk cd burning app01:51
thoreauputicerror_29: you can download it and use sudo dpkg -i , but be aware of the possible problems01:51
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Neil3at the moment nautilus is ok but i want to do audio too01:51
da_bon_bonjimarko: just do apt-get install k3b.01:51
InitMassjimarko, Neil3, which program do you use now?01:51
SiRrUsNeil3 gnomebaker or graveman01:52
error_29thanks thoreauputic01:52
jimarkoInitMass: I've only just moved over to Ubuntu, so the need for burning hasn't come up yet, but i used to use k3b01:52
thoreauputicerror_29: using an outside repo can break things, or be a dependency hell01:52
Neil3i have tried gnome baker it crashes when i try and browse dirs within it01:52
Neil3graveman doesnt see my cdrw drive01:53
Neil3might have to bite the bullet and go for k3b01:53
jimarkoda_bon_bon: do i need to set up any extra repos for k3b?01:53
da_bon_bonNeil3: graveman is foolish as in checks for device everry startup - jsut add devices manually and u r done01:53
jesuelblackstar: That feature youre talking about. I know what you speak of. Im just trying to remember what i did to make that happen01:53
da_bon_bonjimarko: enabled universe / multiverse ?01:53
error_29well, thoreauputic , that's what I mean -- I was just wondering if I could snag just one app without exposing the rest of my apps to nasty "upgrades" from the wrong repos...01:53
thoreauputicNeil3: xcdroast works here, but it's a bit "old" (gtk 1.2) and rather unintuitive01:54
InitMassis gnomebaker the default app that comes with gnome?01:54
blackstarjesuel: that would be nice if you could help01:54
Neil3yeah i couldnt get xcdroast to recognise my drive either :/01:54
Neil3gonna try k3b01:54
Neil3nautilus burns stuff no problems, isos etc01:54
error_29graveman refused to burn anything in hoary for me01:54
jimarkoda_bon_bon: er.. how.. :(01:54
thoreauputicerror_29: it depends on whether that package is depending on stuff you can't get or don't have01:54
error_29right, thoreauputic ...thnx01:55
da_bon_bonjimarko: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list01:55
thoreauputicerror_29: dpkg will just refuse to configure it if it has unmet dependencies01:55
gdhHm, just tried hoary for the first time - all very pleasant :) I have a small prob with trying to add a Launcher to the Applications menu (which I can do with GNOME2.8 in normal Debian)..01:55
SiRrUsand graveman seems to work great for me01:55
jesuelblackstar: it was some sort of -no-root option for rxvt i believe. You had to set the exact position on screen with x - y coordinates and size. and it would look embedded01:55
gdhUsually, I can right click on the menu group, Entire Menu -> Add a Launcher to this menu01:55
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gdhbut that option isn't present... is there something I can do to make it return?01:55
InitMassgnomebaker doesn't seem to be in warty01:56
da_bon_bonInitMass: it is not01:56
jesuelits in hoary01:56
InitMassand not graveman either01:56
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da_bon_bonInitMass: graveman is in hoary01:57
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jimarkoda_bon_bon: OMG! U just showed me how to get at alllll this software :D w00t!! thanks dude01:57
aracatacahi to everybody!01:57
jimarkolol01:57
blackstarjesule: oh i see...ow do i go about setting this feature up...a headstart in the right direction iwould be good01:57
InitMassda_bon_bon, do you know when they release hoary as stable?01:57
jimarkoaracataca: hey hey :D01:57
da_bon_bonjimarko: w00t ! and then add some more - marillat for instance01:57
error_29gdh, if you find out anything about how users can get more control over those menus, a lot of people I think will be grateful!01:57
aracatacahey hey, haha01:57
da_bon_bonInitMass: april. but preview is out and is more stable than my warty01:58
blackstarjesuel: in the meantime i will be reading about it01:58
jesuelmarilat :)01:58
thoreauputicInitMass: if you want gnomebaker for warty, go here >> http://people.debian.org/~goedson/packages/ubuntu/warty/01:58
aracatacai'm always here with high hopes....01:58
gdherror_29: Ah, I'll take that as a 'no' then :( It's weird since I can do it fine with 2.8 on sarge :(01:58
da_bon_bonjimarko: apt-get update && apt-get install k3b01:58
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jimarkoyeh, ive got wine and marilat, but only cos of fluke01:58
da_bon_bonjimarko: oh ok.01:58
gdhMight pop a Q on the mailing list...01:58
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aracatacathis time: the ubuntu 4.1 installation, does it enable me to search for available wlan-networks, or do i have to get any apps?01:59
aracataca*and thanks for the answers, its quite important...01:59
jimarkoand my ability to follow guides :D the .deb system is very new to me, as im previously well versed in RPM-based or source-based distros01:59
error_29gdh, they call it a custom menu, but I have no idea how anyone's supposed to customize it01:59
InitMassthoreauputic, da_bon_bon, i can wait for hoary and then install it. i don't want an unstable system01:59
gdherror_29: Yeh I saw that, and I've thought of using  a drawer, but they seem like nasty hacks... I should be able to add Non-Ubuntu-Installed apps on the Applications menu :)02:00
thoreauputicInitMass: not long to wait :)02:00
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bretzelWow! Hoary preview is released ... but I don't think I am gonna install the official release because my arry-5 install is quite stable and I did so much work to make it of my tastes02:00
gdhThat's nearly as bad as this 'Trusted Computing' MS nonsense :)02:00
GfaultHow custom ubuntu-live for rename ubuntu name ?02:00
jimarkohrm, it wants to install arts for K3B... that won't bork my carefully balanced ALSA/OSS system will it?02:01
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InitMassthoreauputic, yes, i know :) what's the biggest changes and upgrades in hoary compared to warty?02:01
error_29yeah, gdh, I agree with you.  And adding stuff to the panels can be a tedious process.02:01
ritalinmy experince with arts is evil02:01
_d4vidhi all02:01
jimarkoritalin: indeed.02:01
jimarkohey _d4vid02:01
ritalin_d4vid: hi02:01
thoreauputicInitMass: I don't really know - i'm on warty too02:01
gdherror_29: I'm mainly a KDE whore who's just looking to see if the grass is greener...02:01
gdherror_29: And I miss KMenuEdit already :)02:02
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error_29kde's menus and kicker are much much better than gnome panels, in my opinion.02:02
thoreauputicgdh: you sound like a candidate for kubuntu :)02:02
ggeeckohow do I change my computer's name??02:02
jimarkogdh, error_29, no automounts :D lol02:02
gdhthoreauputic: Oooh that exists as a project?02:02
gdhor just a funny pun? :)02:02
goldfishggeecko: base-config i thnk02:03
thoreauputicgdh: sure, read the /topic :)02:03
iSupermanhow do I get color syntax highlighting in gnome-terminal......all i get at the moment is green......I think it's an environment variable from memory...?02:03
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error_29gdh, in warty, I had great success using the kicker as an extra menu bar, and the "windows logo" key actually worked!02:03
gdhheh02:03
thoreauputicoops, it isn't in the topic anymore!02:03
da_bon_bonerror_29: it works in gnome too02:03
error_29but I think that kicker got altered so that doesn't work with hoary now...02:03
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thoreauputicgdh: sorry02:03
InitMasscan nautilus burn DVD too?02:03
da_bon_bonInitMass: nautilus burner SUCKS!02:04
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InitMassda_bon_bon, in what way?02:04
error_29da_bon_bon, , that's what I meant, in gnome02:04
bretzelgdh: I was a KDE only user, but for a reason I can't completly say, I feel better in GNOME even if I am a C++ programer and knows KDE is strongly developed from C++'sQT engine, and GNOME is GTK evil function naming prototypes convention - I hate to type a complete paragraph  just to call a function...02:04
gdhany built-in disc burner is going to suck :)02:04
error_29but kicker is really flaky now; I'm thinking this kubuntu business has messed it up for me...02:04
gdhdoes the nautilus one still make a temporary ISO first?02:05
jimarkohey pplz, i'm outta here, sleep calls :D but thx for your help, and i'll be back soon :D02:05
da_bon_bonInitMass: no customizability, very limited02:05
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thoreauputicgdh: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Kubuntu02:05
error_29Damn, I'm late for work!  bye folks!02:06
gdhbretzel: I dunno, KDE seems to have far too many options.. GNOME has perhaps too few...02:06
gdhbretzel: As if someone who knows better than you has already picked the perfect settings. Why would you possibly want to change?02:06
gdhthoreauputic: Thanks for that :)02:06
CosaNostraSomeone knows what's the problem if i get sounds, when i send a message and click something...but don't get any music from cd..when i try to play a cd..02:07
thoreauputicgdh: heh - thought I'd better find it after my mistake over /topic ;-)02:07
ggeeckogoldfish: thx that was it02:07
ritalinwell instrall time02:07
ritalinhopefully next time we chat im running ubuntu02:07
thoreauputicgdh: it was in the topic a day or two ago02:07
gdhah, this is my first time here :)02:08
jesuelgluck ritalin02:08
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CosaNostraCan somebody help me out with this?02:08
gdhonly downloaded the installer an hour ago. My fiancee is nearly completely sick of Windows.. so I thought I would do some preparatory work :)02:08
jesuel:)02:09
jesueldont blame them.02:09
gdhyou shouldn't *need* to run Anti-virus, anti-spyware crap all the time :(02:10
jesuelif you run windows you better. :)02:10
gdhdon't I know it :/02:10
CosaNostraNobody here knows anything about playing music problems?02:10
thoreauputicgdh: you want Symantec to go out of business ?  *grin*02:11
gdhthoreauputic: Oh, as if! :)02:11
BurgundaviaCosaNostra: try running multimedia-properties02:11
BurgundaviaCosaNostra: and see if it is set to esound02:11
jesuelthoreauputic: i do. I hate symantec02:11
gdhthoreauputic: <conspiracy theory about the major AV and Anti-spam vendors running their own botnets to perpetuate their businesses>02:12
bretzelgdh, speaking GUI user , I feel better in GNOME... yet KDE has lots of options, that is why KDE-3.4 is also installed :-) :-) 8-);)02:12
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jesuelyuck kde02:12
thoreauputicI think it's hilarious that there's a whole industry devoted to curing the design faults of Windows....02:12
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gdhbretzel: I decided to give Ubuntu a try because I felt everything would be might tighter than just sarge and apt-get install gnome...02:12
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BurgundaviaCosaNostra: make that gstreamer-properties02:13
gdhIs it really that much different?02:13
jesuelgdh: imho it is02:13
CosaNostraI'm a bit of a noob in linux..02:13
jesuelgdh: ubuntu is very nicely intergrated imho02:13
johsohmm, I can't run a perl program I have - it appears that a Tk.pm is missing?02:13
gdhis it possible / advised to use sid/sarge packages in hoary?02:13
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gdhjohso: is there a 'libtk-perl' ?02:14
thoreauputicgdh: not hugely different, but Ubuntu made my sound "just work" on this machine, after much fiddling with Alsa on Debian02:14
thoreauputicgdh: don't use debian packages02:14
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missmarpledoes anyone of u know what happened to ubuntuusers.de ? it seems as if their database crashed02:14
gdhthoreauputic: OKie :)02:15
thoreauputicgdh: essentially everything is available from the universe repository i Ubuntu02:15
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gdhuniverse is 'sarge/sid compiled against Ubuntu libraries' yes?02:15
thoreauputicgdh: just edit your /etc/apt/sources.list02:15
Fator_Deecool, ubuntu is automagically able to mount a compactflash card from my computers frontpanel slot \o/02:15
CosaNostraIn Volume control everything is up..02:16
johsogdh: hmm, does not look like it...02:16
olafuragdh: plus ubuntu-patches02:16
SiRrUsCosaNostra what are you using to play the cd02:17
Radu_hello02:17
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thoreauputicgdh: "multiverse" is kind of like "debian non-free"02:17
CosaNostraStandard CD Player02:17
bretzeljesuel: :)02:17
SiRrUswhat software02:17
gdhjohso: perl-tk is in Debian... I expect you can get it from Universe02:17
Radu_anyone have any idea why #ubuntu-ro doesnt work?02:18
CosaNostraDon't have any software installed..02:18
thoreauputicCosaNostra: you almost certainly need digital output02:18
gdhthoreauputic: Interesting :) lots of new terminology to deal with...02:18
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SiRrUsyou will need software I think to play the cd player02:18
thoreauputicCosaNostra: beep-medi-player or xmms can do digital02:18
jesuelhows it going bretzel.02:18
GNAMHOARY preview R U L E Z02:18
jesuelGNAM: that it does02:18
thoreauputic*beep-media-player02:18
johsogdh: I'm not able to apt-get it, it 'has no installation candidate'02:18
CosaNostraSo...if i understand right, the cd player can't read my cd or something?02:19
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thoreauputicCosaNostra: no, more likely your machine has no connection from the CD-ROM to sound card02:19
thoreauputicCosaNostra: increasingly common02:19
gdhjohso: I'm really new to this, I don't know what to suggest for you :)02:19
CosaNostraOh..02:20
johsogdh: well, fair enough ;)02:20
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bretzelGNAM: are  you actually running PREVIEW ?02:20
CosaNostraSo..if i install xmms...it "should" work?02:20
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jesuelCosaNostra: you just need a cd audio cable from your cdrom to your sound card.02:20
thoreauputicCosaNostra: if you configure the cd audio plugin for digital, yes02:20
jesuelor that02:20
damripphow do i  go about setting up a external modem in ubuntu?02:21
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CosaNostraOh...i think..we have a misunderstanding....i play it in the cdrom player..02:21
thoreauputicjesuel: your way is neater, but not so easy for people who don't know how :)02:21
darmouif you accidently stuff up your fstab is there a way to remount the drive to overide the fstab settings?02:21
a-l-p-h-a_2where are the binaries for Firefox installed?  I wish to replace them with the newest version.02:21
missmarpleany hotpluggin experts here?02:21
thoreauputicdarmou: sudo mount /dev/foo /mnt/yourdirectory02:22
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darmouahh but says /dev/hda4 is already mounted on /02:22
jesuela-l-p-h-a_2, you can just type: which firefox in your terminal to find where the binaries are located.02:23
thoreauputica-l-p-h-a_2: wrong approach02:23
darmouI do umount /devhda402:23
gdhdarmou: you might want to try -o remount02:23
jesuelbut i wouldnt just replace them :)02:23
spenserI have burned hoary twice and warty twice and with all 4 cd's i get the error "debootstrap - failed to retrieve debconf" and says that it's a possible bad cd or network connection. my burner never makes coasters much less 4 in a row, so i'm thinking it must be something else with the machine. anyone else seen this?02:23
a-l-p-h-a_2jesuel, thoreauputic, how do I go about it?02:23
darmoubut same problem if I try to mount it ok what is the remount command that will overide the fstab?02:23
GNAMcan i use hoary-installer only to reinstall GRUB on the MBR?02:24
jesuelspenser: did you check the md5sums after you downloaded?02:24
spenserjesper_:  yes02:24
spenserjesper_:  i might try to install it in vmware on another machine tonight to test the cd's, but i think they are fine.02:24
a-l-p-h-a_2I've gone and downloaded the binary installer for Firefox 1.01, but I don't know where to install it to overwrite the old one.  Or should I just uninstall, and install the new one where I want?02:24
thoreauputica-l-p-h-a_2: you can get the binary from mozilla.org and install it in, for instance, your home directory - then link it from say /usr/local if you wish02:25
jesper_Hi.02:25
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CosaNostraSeeya02:25
spensergotta run to work.02:25
spenserbbl02:25
thoreauputica-l-p-h-a_2: you don't need to uninstall the old one02:25
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a-l-p-h-a_2thoreauputic, won't the clutter my system then?02:25
thoreauputicwell, a few megabytes extra, yes02:26
thoreauputica-l-p-h-a_202:26
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thoreauputica-l-p-h-a_2: if you're concerned about conflicts, move the .mozilla directory02:26
thoreauputic~/.mozilla02:27
thoreauputiceg mv .mozilla .mozilla.old02:27
a-l-p-h-a_2well, I just installed it under ~/firefox-installer... [not where I want, but fine...]  now when I start it, it still says version 0.9.3...02:27
bretzelciao all, gotta run to work too02:27
a-l-p-h-a_2thoreauputic, I'll try that02:28
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thoreauputica-l-p-h-a_2: because it's still calling /usr/bin/firefox02:28
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lifelessaway02:28
thoreauputica-l-p-h-a_2: either make a link in your PATH, or give the full path to the new one02:29
a-l-p-h-a_2thoreauputic, sorry, this is my first 1hr of using linux, in a very very long time.  I'm pretty much a newb with this.02:29
thoreauputica-l-p-h-a_2: that's Ok02:29
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thoreauputica-l-p-h-a_2: BTW your nick is *very* annoying for tab completion02:29
GNAMauauau02:30
a-l-p-h-a_2I'll kill my other account...02:30
olafuraa-l-p-h-a_2:Why do you want the latest one hasn't hoary a resent enough?02:30
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a-l-p-h-a_2autocomplete should be easier now.02:30
damripphow do i  gp about installing  a VNC viewer?02:30
thoreauputicolafura: sounds like he's on warty02:30
thoreauputica-l-p-h-a_2: thanks :)02:31
a-l-p-h-a_2thoreauputic, so I've sudo unlink firefox from /usr/bin now, I should probably move the firefox binaries somewhere other than ~/firefox-installer02:31
thoreauputicdamripp: it's installed by default02:31
gdhdamripp: You don't have Applications -> Internet -> Terminal Server Client ?02:31
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gdhdamripp: (see the 'Protocol' drop-down in that...)02:32
damrippoh cheers!!!02:32
gdhI'd assumed it was rdesktop only as well until I looked :)02:32
thoreauputica-l-p-h-a_2: not necessary if you make a symlink from /usr/local/bin/firefox02:32
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GfaultHow custom ubuntu-live for rename ubuntu name ?02:33
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a-l-p-h-a_2thoreauputic, sudo link firefox /home/alpha/firefox-installer/firefox ? from /usr/local/bin?02:35
gdhDoes anyone else find GNOME's "fonts:///" location really shit? :) It lets you drag anything in, but a) puts them in ~/.fonts even if you're root  b) gives no indication anything happened c) no facility to install them system-wide...02:35
thoreauputica-l-p-h-a_2:  ln -s /home/user/firefox-installer/firefox  /usr/local/bin/firefox02:35
thoreauputicyes, sudo will be needed02:35
jasonanyone know how to get the hostap kernel modules installed?02:36
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jdubgdh: apart from (b), that is its intended functionality02:36
a-l-p-h-a_2thoreauputic, link: cannot create link `/home/alpha/firefox-installer/firefox' to `firefox': No such file or directory02:36
thoreauputica-l-p-h-a_2: you should find ` echo $PATH` will show /usr/local/bin first in your PATH02:36
jdubgdh: there is an update problem that stops you seeing changes as they're made02:36
jdubgdh: it is not intended to manage system fonts at all02:37
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thoreauputica-l-p-h-a_2: you need the full path02:37
gdhjdub: OK.. but it's intentional that for sys-wide you must copy .ttf to /usr/share/fonts02:37
R0bNycAnyone here runs windows apps in LInux02:37
jdubyes02:37
thoreauputicto firefox in /usr/local/bin02:37
a-l-p-h-a_2oh02:37
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gdhjdub: Ah, OK.. seems less than desirable :/02:37
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a-l-p-h-a_2link: cannot create link `/home/alpha/firefox-installer/firefox' to `/usr/local/bin/firefox': No such file or directory02:38
a-l-p-h-a_2 still that issue02:38
thoreauputica-l-p-h-a_2: ah, you wer in /usr/local/bin already??02:38
olafurathen sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.old sudo sed "s/warty/hoary/g" /etc/apt/sources.list > sources.list; sudo mv sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox; sudo mv /etc/apt/sources.old /etc/apt/sources.list; sudo apt-get update02:38
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a-l-p-h-a_2thoreauputic, yes02:38
jdubgdh: it handles the common case really nicely; it could provide a "install as system font" feature, but it hasn't been written yet. changesets accepted. :)02:38
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a-l-p-h-a_2I've unlinked it already I believe.02:38
gdhjdub: Hehe as per normal =)02:38
jdubgdh: yes, of course, that's how software development works02:39
olafuraa-l-p-h-a_2: This should work to install firefox from hoary02:39
gdhjdub: I wasn't clear on whether it was a policy decision to simply not deal with system-wide fonts or merely that that part hadn't been implemented...02:39
jdubgdh: most sensible features are acceptable if designed well02:40
thoreauputica-l-p-h-a_2: hmm... well I don't see the problem with the syntax, unless maybe your installation is in a subdirectory?02:40
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thoreauputica-l-p-h-a_2: does /usr/local/bin exist on your system?02:41
a-l-p-h-a_2thoreauputic, yes02:41
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gdhjdub: That's very Zen of you :)02:42
thoreauputica-l-p-h-a_2: hmm - well as a stopgap you could make a launcher with the full path, but linking should work02:42
a-l-p-h-a_2when I type ~/firefox-installer/firefox it loads up firefox.02:42
thoreauputica-l-p-h-a_2: as you'd expect :)02:42
jdubgdh: heh. designing usable user interfaces is pretty zen-o-rific at the best of times. :)02:42
a-l-p-h-a_2thoreauputic, I'd hope so at least. :)02:43
thoreauputica-l-p-h-a_2: indeed02:43
thoreauputic:)02:43
a-l-p-h-a_2this is what I typed:02:43
a-l-p-h-a_2sudo link /usr/local/bin/firefox /home/alpha/firefox-installer/firefox02:43
thoreauputicno02:43
thoreauputicsudo ln -s /home/alpha/firefox-installer/firefox  /usr/local/bin/firefox02:44
a-l-p-h-a_2oh.02:44
thoreauputica-l-p-h-a_2: target first02:44
SlavenI've recompiled PHP with mysql support and it still doesn't recognize the function mysql_connect! >:(02:44
thoreauputicand ln -s for a symlink02:44
a-l-p-h-a_2'ight... I'll try that.02:44
a-l-p-h-a_2thoreauputic, THANK YOU!02:45
thoreauputicno worries :)02:45
a-l-p-h-a_2works perfectly now. :)02:45
thoreauputicas I expected ;)02:45
a-l-p-h-a_2k, I'll give linux a few days to allow it to settle into my system, and then I'll wipe my windows drive. :)02:46
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thoreauputica-l-p-h-a_2: have a look at http://ubuntuguide.org02:46
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ACID|nethey, i was just wondering what an MIS system is.....anyone know??02:55
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EvilSvenhi02:56
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_alewhy i can't make my terminal use iso-8859-1 encoding?02:56
_alei changes it back to utf-8 everytime i open a new terminal02:56
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thoreauputicACID|net: management information services?02:57
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EvilSvenHow do I turn off controlling the mouse with my num pad, I accidently turned it on with xf86cfg?02:57
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ACID|netthoreauputic: Possibly02:57
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thoreauputicACID|net: so saith google for acronym+MIS, anyway02:58
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ACID|netacronym+ <-- nice :)02:58
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erlendhey02:58
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thoreauputicACID|net: or managed internet services02:59
ACID|nethmmm02:59
erlendi have problem with hoary.. why is it that i cant enable "windows networking" in hoary when it is a perfectly available option in wartt02:59
erlendwarty02:59
erlendi mean through the gnome network options02:59
ACID|netTo support existing MIS and operational systems (MS Access, SQL Server)03:00
thoreauputichaha - JAVA "just another vague acronym" :)03:00
smoafter upgrading to hoary LVM sees no physical volumes .. they're still there if I reboot to warty.  any clues where I start looking?03:00
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thoreauputicerlend: maybe you should install samba ?03:01
thoreauputicmissmarple: what's the trouble?03:01
missmarple thoreauputic: still the same as yesterday :-/ wifi firmware still doesnt load if notebook runs on battery03:02
thoreauputicah...03:02
erlendthoreauputic, of course, i have installed it. but the option to enable windows networking in gnome, doesn't exist in hoary obviously03:02
missmarplethis is really drivin me crazy03:02
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thoreauputicmissmarple: power management issue, maybe? I don't know much about it... apm?03:04
missmarple thoreauputic: i think it has something to do with ACPI03:04
thoreauputicOK03:04
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missmarple thoreauputic: but i have no clue where to look for what to fix it03:04
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thoreauputicmissmarple: have you tried in grub's menu.lst,   noacpi ? (something like that on the kernel line, from memory)03:05
missmarplei tried it with acpi=off but that didnt help03:06
thoreauputicmissmarple: I think that's where you disable it, anyway03:06
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missmarplemhh let me check that noacpi thingy03:06
missmarplealtough a notebook without powermanagement is not that nice ;-/03:07
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EndGamehippies!03:07
thoreauputicpci=noacpi  maybe ? (just googled grub+noacpi+linux)03:07
thoreauputicmissmarple: if I remember correctly, apm can substitute for some functions03:08
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crypticreigndesktop background properties dialog freezes03:08
crypticreignon warty03:08
missmarplemy kernel doesnt have apm support - so i would have to build one my own03:08
thoreauputicmissmarple: have you searched the forums? I just found something similar03:09
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thoreauputichttp://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-2620.html03:09
missmarplemhh let me check03:10
thoreauputickernel /vmlinuz-2.6.8.1-3-386 root=/dev/hda4 ro quiet splash acpi=off noacpi is one line that looks promising03:11
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ritalinim on ubuntu!03:11
raydoggritalin++03:12
thoreauputicmissmarple: are you sure your kernel doesn't have apm? does  sudo modprobe apm fail?03:12
ritalinits very slick03:12
Myrtti\o/03:12
gruntyo ppl. is it possible to have kde 3.2 on this distro?03:12
EndGameritalin, yeah, untill it breaks03:12
thoreauputicgrunt: it's possible to have kde 3.4 :)03:12
ritalinheh03:13
EndGameyou think im kidding03:13
SiRrUsritalin are you using hoary or warty03:13
EndGameonce your pretty hippie gui goes away, you're screwed03:13
ritalinhoary03:13
thoreauputicEndGame: excuse me, that is rubbish03:13
raydogglol03:13
EndGameoh?03:14
crypticreignfresh install of warty - desktop background properties dialog is gray and frozen03:14
SiRrUsritalin you will like it03:14
missmarplethoreauputic: wait i'm bootinh03:14
ritalini do so far03:14
thoreauputicEndGame: the cli works fine, thank you03:14
gdhTrue - when GNOME breaks, it can break just as dramatically as KDE :)03:14
ritalingnome runs alot faster then apple's aqua03:14
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EndGameyeah, just su to a .... oh wait03:14
SiRrUsIts very solid now and will get even better03:14
thoreauputicEndGame: sudo -s03:14
missmarplethoreauputic: modprobe apm fails03:14
ritalinmy ibook buttons dont work though03:14
EndGamei could always run aptitude and play minesweeper, neh?03:15
ritalinguess ill have to manual config03:15
thoreauputicis what youare looking for03:15
EndGame:-)03:15
dmouritsendkEndGame, your kidding right?03:15
missmarplethoreauputic: it says no such device03:15
thoreauputicmissmarple: hmm03:15
Gfault How custom ubuntu-live for rename ubuntu name ?03:16
thoreauputicmissmarple: have you tried rebooting with acpi=off noacpi  ?03:16
missmarplethoreauputic: yep - no change to the problem03:16
thoreauputicGfault: I'm not sure what you mean03:16
EndGameno03:16
scaroohi ppl  i ve just upgraded netapplet and strangely it doesn t install the netapplet binary anymore but only the netdaemon service, is it the normal behaviour ?03:16
EndGameaptitude has a minesweeper in it03:17
EndGameim not shitting you03:17
ritalinwow samba works out of the box!03:17
thoreauputicmissmarple: how ghastly ! :(03:17
EndGameif you got out of your pretty gui you would know this03:17
missmarplethoreauputic: yeah absolutely03:17
gdhthoreauputic: LOL - no tea and crumpets until the case is solved, now! :)03:17
missmarplei shouldnt have made an update from warty to hoary03:17
SiRrUsEndGame are you talking about mines?03:18
EndGameyeah03:18
EndGamewhatever you call it03:18
EndGamehippies03:18
thoreauputicEndGame: I just love the look of that black tty and prompt! It's so soothing... ;-)03:18
EndGameeh, gimme a cli anyday03:18
thoreauputicEndGame: I would take hippy as a compliment :)03:18
EndGameyou would, wouldnt you03:19
thoreauputicEndGame: puch cards have a nice feel and look too ...03:19
SiRrUsEndGame all you need to type is gnomine03:19
EndGamewith your drums, and your oooos and aaaaa when you log into gnome03:19
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EndGamehow often do you people use bash03:19
SiRrUstype for an ignore i guess ;)03:19
thoreauputicEndGame: not only that, but I even hug trees!03:19
EndGamedamn03:19
EndGameim speechless03:20
Gfaultthoreauputic: it would like to custom ubuntu, but ubuntu would need to change the name.03:20
thoreauputicEndGame: for troll in * ; do rm $troll ; done03:20
SiRrUs:)03:21
dmouritsendkEndGame,  well a terminal is fine. I use terminals to ssh into the clusters @ the uni i study, and for most of the work i do (vim+gcc+java+latex). But i do find a windows manager nice, it actually seems kinda idiotic to me not to use one.03:21
EndGamepsudo-hippie-code03:21
scarooEndGame, i use my shell all along the day but i dont claim it proudly as you do, please let everybody do wqnt they want03:21
EndGameprops for the vim user03:21
thoreauputichaha03:21
EndGameah, of course, linux is all about choices03:21
thoreauputiced! ed is the editor! man ed! ed man!03:21
EndGameim just sayin that one cannot forget one's roots03:22
SiRrUsyep like running water and out houses03:22
thoreauputicscaroo: I think I detect a hint of humour...03:22
ritalinwow i really like linux03:22
ritalinscrew OS X03:22
ACID|net:O03:23
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thoreauputicritalin: I second the motion :)03:23
ACID|neti still prefer osx i have to say...03:23
EndGamei was on a terminal on an OSX box today03:23
thoreauputicEndGame: thanks, we *never* knew that, being eye-candy hippies :)03:23
scarooritalin,03:23
EndGameritalin wow i really like linux03:24
EndGameritalin screw OS X03:24
EndGamesounded like he knew03:24
thoreauputicEndGame: so of course you know all about Fink and Darwin03:24
EndGameand that mach kernel03:24
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EndGameand embraceing open source, whilest keeping all the cool gui shit closed03:25
EndGamew00t for apple03:25
thoreauputicEndGame: yup, uninstall acqua and use the cli in OS-X ! Way to go !03:26
EndGamewhy not03:26
EndGameactually03:26
EndGameall osx is good for is its eyecandy whorishness03:27
ritalinWhat do you have against eye candy?03:27
EndGameif i wanted a cli, i would run...03:27
EndGamei have no fucking idea03:27
EndGameit serves no purpose03:27
thoreauputicEndGame: well, might as well install freeBSD then, eh?03:27
EndGameDAMN RIGHT03:27
EndGame:-)03:27
thoreauputichehe03:27
ritalinthoreauputic, hey dont knock beastie03:27
thoreauputicI didn't03:27
thoreauputic*g*03:28
ACID|netxchat <-- isnt that an eye candy IRC client???03:28
thoreauputicyeah03:28
goldfishirssi03:28
goldfishtbh03:28
ACID|net:)03:28
ritalinEye Candy is good03:28
EndGameOhmer, im such a hypocrite03:28
goldfishCHATZILLA!03:28
EndGamefor the record, im running fluxbox on gentoo, and even flux seems heavy at times03:29
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gdhtelnet irc.freenode.net 6667 you lamers! :)03:29
goldfishhaha03:29
goldfishnc03:29
gdhOoh yes03:29
gdhub3r!03:29
goldfishtelnet on steroids!03:29
EndGamegoldfish, damn right03:29
thoreauputicEndGame: yeah, using a 486 will do that to you ;)03:29
goldfishi just switched to fluxbox, i think its cool03:29
EndGame1ghz, 512 megs of ram03:29
EndGamei love my box03:29
goldfishhaha03:30
scizzogoldfish: irssi03:30
scizzo:)03:30
EndGameshit, just cause you have the power, doesnt meen it should be used doing useless shit that looks pretty03:30
goldfishah yes03:30
goldfishirssi is great03:30
dmouritsendkEndGame, haven't u heard? Gnome 2.10 is in portage already (i'm a gentoo user too, on my third year) :p03:30
goldfishI hate those gui irc chat clients.03:30
EndGamenot down with gnome03:30
EndGametried it03:30
EndGameway heavy03:30
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scizzoTWM!03:31
scizzo:)03:31
EndGamewmi03:31
EndGamebitches03:31
thoreauputicaaargh03:31
EndGameoh man03:31
EndGameim lovin the wmi03:31
dmouritsendkEndGame, naah. u just need a few inexpensive hardware updgrades and u cant tell the difference :p03:31
EndGamehardware upgraded are propagated by the software industry03:31
thoreauputicEndGame: surprised you aren't running Ratpoison03:31
EndGamei mean03:31
EndGamethink about it03:31
EndGameall this processing power03:32
EndGameand are you really more productive that 10 years ago03:32
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EndGamenoire, all the power is whored out to guis03:32
thoreauputicEndGame: no03:32
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EndGameSolatis, why upgrade03:32
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Dreamer3ok, I open a file with gedit, save it... and a few minutes later it's back to it's original... WHAT THE HECK?03:32
EndGamelinux will run on a freakin toaster, all it need is a power outlet and a keyboard03:32
thoreauputicDreamer3: which file?03:32
Dreamer3this was ticking me off at the office the other day, doesn't matter samba, nfs, local...03:33
ritalinI guess no java support on default install?03:33
Dreamer3thoreauputic: rails application i'm working on, or website files... doesn't seem to matter03:33
ritalinprobally license issues03:33
thoreauputicDreamer3: you probably opened read-only files03:33
Dreamer3thoreauputic: um no, they save fine... i'm looking at them in my browser03:33
dmouritsendkEndGame, it depends on what you use your box for. I agree that processing power is primarily used for visualisation purposes today. But as a science or math student you deffently can apply some processing power when doing matlab simulations and suchs03:34
dmouritsendk-s03:34
thoreauputicDreamer3: and if you edit them with vi or nano or whatever, same thing happens?03:34
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Dreamer3thoreauputic: i don't know, i don't use vi or nano03:34
Dreamer3thoreauputic: you're saying gedit would remember the old file and randomly saver it later over the new one?03:34
thoreauputicDreamer3: then it might not be gedit03:35
EndGameoh man, my roomies 2.8ghz 64-bit any my friends 3ghz p4 fly through some shit, defintately a great use of power03:35
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EndGamei just dont see the poit (especially with windows) of all these upgrades03:35
thoreauputicDreamer3: choice of editor shouldn't matter, no03:35
EndGameon another tangent, i got a microsoft intellimouse explorer 2.0 in a really cool shade of red for 15 bucks yesterday03:36
EndGamei feel dirty03:36
EndGamebut its a really nice mouse03:36
EndGame:-)03:36
ritalinwhats the unix command to see system info03:36
EndGameuname -a03:36
ritalinI forgot ive been double clicking for so long03:36
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ritalinty03:36
EndGamesure03:36
thoreauputicritalin: what kind of info?03:36
thoreauputicEndGame: that only tells you the kernel version...03:37
thoreauputicand a couple of other bits03:37
ritalinjust general system info03:37
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mercurusah ... kernel recompilation goodness03:37
EndGameuname --help03:37
dmouritsendkEndGame, well if u got a 2ghz+ processor, there aren't really any reason for upgrading that. But i figured u where on like a 800-1300mhz , since u found gnome slow :p03:37
EndGamewhatever the thing is to display everything03:37
thoreauputicritalin: browse in /proc03:38
EndGameany why was gnome slow?03:38
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EndGamebecause its pretty03:38
mercurusdmouritsendk: I have a Duron 700 and GNOME isn't really slow ...03:38
thoreauputicritalin: eg  cat /proc/cpuinfo03:38
blackfeethi, i've a problem about the volume controller, .. when i try to open it i get the error "registry is not present or is corrupted, please update it by running gst-register", does anybody know what to do to fix that?03:38
EndGamealright, hippies, im off to sleep, or compusa, whichever comes first03:38
dmouritsendkEndGame, is gnome slow on ur box? what gfx card u got? my gnome screams03:38
EndGameill be aorund03:38
EndGameshit03:38
EndGameive got some POS 32 meg card03:39
EndGamegnome runs fine03:39
mercurusaye, I've got a GeForce 2 MX w\ 32 and it is fine03:39
dmouritsendkEndGame, ever since i enabled 2d hardware accelleration in xorg everything is extremely snappy.03:39
dmouritsendkminus java apps. but thats true of any wm03:39
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thoreauputicblackfeet: did you try running sudo gst-register ?03:39
lupusBEhow do I compile a project with DEBUG information is there a /configure option for it?03:39
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blackfeetthoreauputic: yes, i did03:40
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mercuruslupusBE: usually it is an option you should pass to configure, yes ...03:40
blackfeetthoreauputic: gst-register-0.8 i think03:40
thoreauputiclupusBE: try ./configure --help03:40
mercurus./configure --help |grep debug03:40
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lupusBEnoting :(03:41
lupusBEnothing03:41
EndGamedmouritsendk, 2d accelleration? howd you go about that?03:41
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eclipsewhich one is faster for playing games: KDE or Gnome?03:42
dmouritsendkEndGame, its a option in the nvidia driver. Option "RenderAccel" "true"03:42
EndGameah03:42
EndGameeclipse, neither03:42
EndGameyou'll get bad results from both03:42
EndGamefor games, run x without a windows manager03:42
dmouritsendkeclipse, for games? i would say windows :p03:43
EndGameand lauch the games from a command line03:43
eclipseEndGame, for real?03:43
EndGameshit03:43
EndGamecedega is all up in the biatch03:43
EndGamefor real03:43
EndGamejust nab cedega off of mldonkey03:43
gdhSorry?03:43
EndGameand go about your day03:43
eclipseok...well which one is faster for everyday use?03:43
gdhwine's latest just came out yesterday... the ubuntu repositories haven't been rebuilt yet :)03:44
EndGamefluxbox03:44
EndGame:-)03:44
EndGamesucks03:44
EndGameespecially since cedega is in theory a commercial product03:44
dmouritsendkor even better, on install everything x. login through a serialterminal and stick the serial cable in your mouth and interpret the output through the shocks u get03:44
dmouritsendks/on install/uninstall/ :p03:44
EndGamethat only works with 3 or 4 hits of acid in you03:44
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thoreauputicdmouritsendk: you need to do that? Just use an abacus!03:45
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dmouritsendkthoreauputic,  a bewolf cluster of abacus'es maybe :)03:46
dmouritsendkthoreauputic,  otherwise it wouldnt be quite l33t enough03:46
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thoreauputicping?03:50
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EndGamethoreauputic, wtf03:51
EndGamepong03:51
crypticreignis there a command to change the background?03:51
EndGame| .   |03:51
Get hmm, I can't start firestarter, got an error msg like:03:51
crypticreigncuz background-properties is broken03:51
GetA proper configuration for Firestarter was not found. If you are running Firestarter from the directory you built it in, run 'make install-data-local' to install a configuration, or simply 'make install' to install the whole program.03:51
GetFirestarter will now close.03:51
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dmouritsendkcrypticreign, check /desktop/gnome/panel in gconf-editor03:52
crypticreigndmouritsendk: ok03:53
thoreauputicEndGame: thanks - I wasn't certain I was back03:53
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EndGamewow03:54
EndGameyou're specia03:54
thoreauputicGet: did you compile it, or apt-get it?03:54
EndGameyou use kde, dont you?03:54
Getapt-get it...03:54
dmouritsendkcrypticreign, sorry i pasted the wrong regkey! thats supposed to be /desktop/gnome/background!03:54
crypticreigndmouritsendk: yeah i figured it out03:55
thoreauputicGet: try  ` sudo dpkg-reconfigure firestarter `03:55
dmouritsendkcrypticreign, cool :p03:55
crypticreignhmph03:55
crypticreignnautulis doesnt run03:55
crypticreignon warty03:55
Dreamer3<%= link_to 'Reorder' , "?toggle_reorder=0", "onclick" => "toggleReorder(); return false;"  %>03:55
FrossiI just upgraded Warty to Hoary...everything else seems to work ok, but my mouse's scroll wheel doesn't work anymore....and yes I have ZAxisMapping in my XF86Config03:55
Frossiany ideas?03:56
Dreamer3ok, what am missing?  i know something is in the wrong place03:56
Getthoreauputic: now I see that I got errors about eth0 not found...03:56
EndGameis it set to "4 5" ? :-)03:56
Frossiyes03:56
scizzoFrossi: you are not using xfree86 anymore03:56
EndGamebecause it you set it to "5 4" it will be backwards03:56
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Getthoreauputic: i use wlan03:56
scizzoFrossi: apt-get install xserver-xorg03:56
Dreamer3onclick never shows up in my html03:56
scizzoFrossi: and check the /etc/X11/xorg.conf03:56
dmouritsendkcrypticreign, sounds wierd? does "ps aux | grep nautilus" show any threads?03:57
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crypticreigndmouritsendk: yes nautilus /home/crypticreign03:57
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ritalinthoreauputic, is Mac-on-Linux in Ubuntu's repository?03:58
crypticreigndmouritsendk: also nautilus --no-default-window --sm-client-id default303:58
dmouritsendkcrypticreign, but its not displaying any browsing windows or ?03:58
crypticreigndmouritsendk: no its not03:58
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thoreauputicritalin: yes, mol ( it isn't trivial getting it set up though)03:58
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Frossiscizzo, I have ZAxisMapping set on xorg.conf also, and xserver-xorg is installed03:58
thoreauputicritalin: there's a howto on the wiki03:59
ritalincool03:59
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scizzoFrossi: hmmm...03:59
thoreauputicritalin: you'll need linux-headers and stuff03:59
scizzoFrossi: sounds weird03:59
AngryCliphow does one edit the menu in gnome?04:00
ritalinI C04:00
dmouritsendkcrypticreign, if u type "nautilus --sm-disable /home/" in a terminal does a window get summoned?04:00
crypticreigndmouritsendk: no04:01
thoreauputicritalin: this is old, but has some good mol hints as well: http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~ctwardy/mol-debian-benh.html04:01
dmouritsendkcrypticreign, try "nautilus -c"04:02
crypticreigndmouritsendk: that doesnt do anything either04:02
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dmouritsendkdoesn't it perform a self check?04:02
thoreauputicritalin: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MacOnLinuxHowto  (the wiki page)04:03
ritalinthoreauputic, it says i need a os x partion somewhere? I partioned my entire hd ext304:03
crypticreigndmouritsendk: nothing04:03
dmouritsendkcrypticreign, "nautilus --version"?04:03
crypticreignno output in terminal either04:03
crypticreigndmouritsendk: heh04:03
crypticreigndmouritsendk: Gnome nautilus 2.8.104:03
thoreauputicritalin: well, you can't run mac-on-linux without a mac partition or drive :)04:04
ritalindoh04:04
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dmouritsendkcrypticreign, that kinda wierd. "nautilus -c" should output the results of a selfcheck to the terminal04:04
thoreauputicritalin: I made two partitions left one empty, reinstalled OS-X, then installed ubuntu04:04
crypticreigndmouritsendk: this is a fresh install of warty04:05
thoreauputicon the empty space04:05
Gfault          How install ubintu-live-cd on HD ?04:05
Gfault          How install ubuntu-live-cd on HD ?04:05
thoreauputicGfault: you don't04:05
thoreauputicGfault: you use the install CD04:05
selinium_Hi thoreauputic!04:05
ritalinBah I guess I dont need OS X really04:06
thoreauputichi selinium_ :)04:06
ritalinoffice 2004 was all i really used04:06
GNAMcan i use hoary-installer only to reinstall GRUB on the MBR?04:06
ritalinopen office do .doc files ok?04:06
njanGNAM, just boot off the livecd and run grub04:06
thoreauputicritalin: sure04:06
njans/the/a/04:06
selinium_thoreauputic: I take it as my desktop has updated, Hoary is now upon us?04:06
ritalinCant be any worse then appleworks04:06
thoreauputicselinium_: well, nearly04:06
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thoreauputicritalin: it's much better than apple works :)04:07
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Frossiscizzo, it works ok now, booted with older kernel :D04:07
selinium_I still cant get my palm to talk to Ubuntu... If anyone knows a way I would be grateful04:07
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AlienDucehey somebody can answer a question?04:08
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dmouritsendkcrypticreign, (im not on ubuntu, so that doesn't help me much :p). try running gconf-editor and set windows_always_new to true in /apps/nautilus/prefernces. though, i dont think it will help(something seems borked, "nautilus -c" should work), but its worth trying anyway.04:08
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kaouetehi04:09
scizzoFrossi: ok04:10
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AlienDucehey04:10
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AlienDucei ordered a free ubuntu cds... will be arrived????04:10
HaffeHello. Does anyone here use Ubuntu with an asus a7n8x-deluxe and a maxtor sata drive?04:10
Montaghmine were about 6-8 weeks04:11
dmouritsendkcrypticreign, u said ealier that ur gnome-background-proberties, i think this is related to ur nautilus problem04:11
thoreauputicAlienDuce: takes a few weeks04:11
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AlienDuceok thanks04:11
AlienDuceanybody from argentina in here??????04:11
crypticreigndmouritsendk: probably, any ideas on what i should do?04:12
thoreauputicAlienDuce: you might try #ubuntu-es04:12
AlienDuceok thaks again04:12
dmouritsendkcrypticreign, have it worked before or has it always been borked?04:13
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dmouritsendkcrypticreign, i would try and delete all settings in /home/yourusername/ (remove .gnome2) and restart x and login again04:15
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dmouritsendkcrypticreign, also .gconf and .gconfd if they are there(they will all be rebuild with defaults when u logon again).04:16
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dmouritsendkcrypticreign, (and ofcourse .nautilus)04:16
selinium_Unbunt Software updtes has just thrown up 35 updates.... But most of them can't be authenticated? Any ideas?04:17
thoreauputicselinium_: wait a few hours :)04:17
gdhyou've added external repositories?04:17
selinium_k04:17
gdhah :)04:17
dmouritsendkcrypticreign, maybe it would be easier to delete  .* in your home dir. (notice that ull loose any configuration u have done, and everything will be reset)04:17
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selinium_I haven't added external repositories, in fact Synaptic doesnt even see them, just Software Update04:18
raydoggwhat would be required to make a customized ubuntu live cd04:19
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thoreauputicdmouritsendk: wouldn't it be wiser to just mv (rename) ? that way he has backups04:19
thoreauputicraydogg: you might want to google for morphix remastering04:20
ritalinACID|net, !04:20
raydoggthx thoreauputic04:20
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dmouritsendkthoreauputic, but if some of them doesn't get rebuilded (the hidden dirs in his home), then he will know there is a problem with that app(since theyre supposed to) which sould be looked at. but then again backups are allways nice, so you might got a point :p04:22
thoreauputicdmouritsendk: I've done what you are suggesting before - but having for instance .gnome2.old can save time ( you can look for some files in there and restore them)04:24
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dmouritsendkthoreauputic, it would deffently make sence to do so if you have made of bunch of changes to the config. But he said he was on a fresh install, and i also noteted that he would loose any configs done after the install (which could be taken as a hint that he should save anything he's fond of inthere :p)04:27
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thoreauputicdmouritsendk: yeah, no big deal then :) I take your point04:28
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njeeshow can i access my s-ata disk in ubuntu?cccc04:31
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kaouetea little question, someone told me that hoary was using the new d-i installer, and i downloaded the 5.04 hoary just released: it looks like it's using the old debian installer, is there another iso with the new d-i installer ?04:33
dmouritsendknjees, its probertly name /dev/sd* or something like that04:33
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dmouritsendknjees, try grepping for it in dmesg. "dmesg | grep MAXTOR" for example04:34
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njeesthe name is sda, but i cant mountit04:34
thoreauputickaouete: it *is* the new d-i installer, with a few simplifications04:34
gdhwhat does 'cfdisk /dev/sda' show?04:34
desrtsda is the drive itself04:34
kaoueteho ? really ?04:34
kaoueteok :)04:34
gdhlist of partitions?04:34
desrtyou need to mount the partitions04:34
thoreauputickaouete: really04:34
thoreauputickaouete: warty uses it too04:35
desrtnjees; there will probably be /dev/sda1 and such.   cat /proc/partitions04:35
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kaouetethoreauputic: so the old one is too far away in my mind, i confused them :>04:35
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kaouetethanks :] 04:36
thoreauputickaouete: the old one was the woody installer, which was indeed more difficult04:36
kaoueteyes :] 04:36
kaouetei misremember it ^^04:36
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ggeeckois there a program like bearshare for ubuntu??04:37
goldfishlimewire04:37
goldfish?04:37
thoreauputickaouete: mind you , the woody installer worked well - it was just a *bit* intimidating for new users ;)04:37
kaouetehehe yes04:37
gdhnicotine is good if you just want music.04:37
dmouritsendknjees, (sidenote: if its a brand new drive you need to partition it it first. You can use "fdisk /dev/sda" for this)04:37
gdh(uses the SoulSeek network)04:37
gdhdmouritsendk: 'cfdisk' will also write a blank table and is less scary for new users :)04:38
kaouetethoreauputic: it was ok for me to use the old one, i liked it :] 04:38
gdh(I still use it...)04:38
njeesits not a brand new drive, it has been formatted with fat3204:38
dmouritsendkgdh, then he should use cfdisk  :p04:38
ggeeckogoldfish: is limewire what you use04:38
goldfishi only use azureus lately04:38
goldfishbut i heard limewire was good04:39
thoreauputickaouete: yes, the old one was fine, as long as you knew *not* to use dselect, and to acept the defaults for nearly everything :)04:39
kaouetehehe04:39
gdhLast I knew, limewire = bearshare = morpheus = gnutella04:39
kaouetei dont like dselect, to complicated for me04:39
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crypticreigndmouritsendk: file-roller wont start either, this is after system reboot too04:39
thoreauputickaouete: if you've ever watched a new user's face when first shown dselect, you'll know what I mean ;-)04:40
kaouetekrkrkr04:40
elysian_fieldslol04:40
dmouritsendknjees, ok. did you find the partition and try and mounted it then?04:41
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njeesfind the partition when i type cfdisk /dev/sda, but i dont know how to mount it04:42
dmouritsendknjees, "mount -t vfat /dev/sdaN /mnt/mountpoint" (where N is the partition number relevant, and /mnt/mountpoint is the place u wanna mount it)04:42
kaouetemount /dev/sda1 /folder ?04:42
sproingiedselect is a horror.  aptitude is dselect on a diet04:42
kaouetehehe, i only use apt-get04:43
sproingiei like browsing the new packages04:43
dmouritsendkcrypticreign, that doesn't sound too goo. I take it that nautilus and gnome-background-properties are still borked allso?04:43
crypticreigndmouritsendk: yes also openoffice doesnt start either04:44
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titus`hello04:44
thoreauputicsproingie: for browsing, why not synaptic? I hear people singing the praises of aptitude, but to me it's pretty unintuitive: I use apt-get all the time04:44
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thoreauputicand apt-cache search etc04:44
sproingiethoreauputic: i was going to fire up synaptic to check it side by side04:45
kaouetei'm like you thoreauputic04:45
sproingiethoreauputic: it blows a raspberry at me saying "you must run this as root"04:45
dmouritsendkcrypticreign, I would try and get the packagemanager to reinstall everything. im pretty sure apt lets u do that sort of thing. Something sounds very broken, i think it will be quicker to re-install than to fix it.04:45
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Tux-RoxSo does anyone know if a list of what will be included in Hoary has been posted somewhere?04:45
sproingiethoreauputic: strike one.  aptitude will ask you to su when you need it04:45
njeestnx04:45
sproingieaptitude just needs a clicky gui instead of a curses one, and it'd be nice04:45
thoreauputicsproingie: synaptic? it didn't pop up gksudo for you?04:46
dmouritsendkcrypticreign, but its a bit worrying that its a fresh install your on. I thought warty was supposed to be "stable"04:46
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sproingiethoreauputic: nope, seems to be only with gnome.04:46
thoreauputicsproingie: ah, I see - you are using another wm?04:46
sproingiethoreauputic: i dont think synaptic has the equivalent of "b" to cycle through broken packages either04:47
thoreauputicsproingie: I use fluxbox, and edit themenus04:47
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sproingieor any auto-fixing of broken dependencies04:47
sproingiethoreauputic: kde04:47
thoreauputicsproingie: well, apt is fine for --fix-missing or apt-get -f or any number of other things04:48
sproingiethoreauputic: aptitude's a fairly thin wrapper for the apt-get libraries.  i just find the interface more intuitive04:48
thoreauputicsproingie: you're not alone, I know - at least we have the choice04:49
sproingiehm, ia32-libs is broken..04:49
sproingiedpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/ia32-libs_0.5ubuntu3_amd64.deb (--unpack):04:49
sproingie error creating symbolic link `./usr/lib32/libGL.so.1': No such file or directory04:49
Gfault          How install ubuntu-live-cd on HD ?04:51
sproingieinterestingly /usr/lib32/libGL.so.1 does exist though, so it must be the leading . that's the problem04:51
thoreauputicGfault: I already told you: it isn't implemented yet - use the install CD04:51
Gfaultlive established in ubuntu would like to make one04:52
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thoreauputicGfault: what is your first language?04:52
Gfaultthoreauputic: pt_BR04:53
Gfaultfor where start?04:53
ritalinim using hoary, should i enter hoary in synaptic for distribution when adding the repostpories?04:53
ritalinor should i go with warty?04:53
thoreauputicGfault: #ubuntu-pt perhaps?04:54
sproingieritalin: unless you care to downgrade your distro, i'd stick with hoary04:54
ritalincool04:54
sproingiedebian does dist upgrades very well.  not so well downgrades04:54
sproingiebah why isn't there a package for postgresql 804:55
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kaoueteoh, i just lost display when installing ^^ it was installing package, and when i looked at my laptop i have seen a black screen, is installer trying to prob my screen or something like that or have i a problem ? :)04:57
thoreauputicsproingie: apt-cache show postgresql on warty says there is04:57
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kaouetegrumpf.04:59
thoreauputicsproingie: and apt-cache policy says it's in main04:59
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thoreauputickaouete: what are you installing?04:59
kaouetehoary04:59
kaouete5.04-preview04:59
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kaouetei have just a black screen now, it doesnt seem to be doing anything.05:00
thoreauputickaouete: try ctrl-alt-F3 to see what's happening05:00
kaoueteit doesnt do anything05:00
kaouetemaybe it's just frozen :>05:00
kaoueteshould i hardly restart it ?05:00
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Montaghi had a blank screen for a long time during install05:01
RarLukTOk... I need help. I've installled Ubuntu, and choosed not to have any username. Now I cannot log in05:01
kaoueteMontagh: ok05:01
jesus-is there a gnome applet to monitor network where you can see the current speed in kb/s and maybe a graph?05:01
Montaghyeah give it a few mins05:01
kaouetelooks like something is happenning on the disque now :] 05:01
kaoueteMontagh: thanks :] 05:01
Montaghyep05:01
Montaghcool05:01
kaoueteah, it just shutdown !05:01
Montaghhmm might have finished05:02
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kaouetei shouldnt have pushed the power button :>05:02
kaouetei will see05:02
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thoreauputicRarLukT: well, you needed a username because ubuntu uses sudo, and has no default root user05:02
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kaouetethoreauputic: and how can we set root password ?05:02
sproingiethoreauputic: I see postgresql 7.4.  where do you see 8?05:03
RarLukTThen what is sudo?05:03
scizzokaouete: you don't _need_ a root password05:03
thoreauputicsproingie: ah, sorry - I misread05:03
kaouetescizzo: i am sure that i need one :] 05:03
RarLukTIt sounds like some kind of weird japaneese sexual tecnique....05:03
thoreauputicsproingie: I didn't read the number, sorry05:03
scizzokaouete: really? well the first user you add has root priviliges through sudo05:03
kaouetehhhm05:03
kaoueteso maybe it will be ok like that :>05:04
scizzokaouete: yes05:04
kaouetehmpf, only if i can get something on my screen05:04
thoreauputicRarLukT: sudo is a command to give a user root privileges temporarily05:04
RarLukTI get this loginscreen, but i cannot log in... Is there a way I can add users after i05:04
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scizzokaouete: just type the users password when it prompts for a password using sudo05:04
scizzokaouete: sudo -s -H05:04
kaoueteyes, i know sudo :] 05:04
RarLukTAfter I have installed it...05:04
kaouetescizzo: i cant type anithing for now, i'm just waiting for the install to finish . . . or not !05:05
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thoreauputicRarLukT: after install, you can add as many users as you like05:05
kaouetelooks like it's just that X doesnt want to show anything05:05
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mercurusaudigy 2 Value working under Ubuntu (following kernel re-compile with 2.6.11)05:05
ikamahi all05:05
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RarLukTWhere?05:05
scizzoRarLukT: you didn't create a normal user?05:05
ikamaanybody know whats going on kde 3.4 kontact (kdepim 3.4) packages05:06
RarLukTNope... That was stupid of me, right?05:06
thoreauputicRarLukT: because you didn't make a user, you *can't* log on05:06
scizzoumm...yes05:06
Hannes_RarLukT: yes05:06
ritalinWhats the difference between multi-verse and universe?05:06
RarLukTDo I have to install it all over again?05:06
scizzoRarLukT: no05:06
Hannes_RarLukT: yes05:06
Hannes_no05:06
kaouetekrkr05:06
selinium_LOL05:06
kaoueteyes or no ? :)05:06
thoreauputicritalin: multiverse is like debian "non-free"05:06
scizzosingle-user mode05:06
RarLukTyes? no? yes? no?05:06
ritalinahh05:06
ritalinso its ok to have them both enabled in your sources?05:07
scizzoyou still have physical access to it...05:07
ritalinI didnt know if you could only choice one05:07
scizzoyou can root it using single-user mode05:07
thoreauputicritalin: yes05:07
RarLukTIs there some button I can press when I reboot so that I can access the setup-menu?05:07
thoreauputicritalin: in fact if you want the biggest choice, it's good to have both (unless you object to non-free)05:08
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scizzothoreauputic: or am I wrong about him being able to add a user through the single-user mode?05:08
RarLukTIf I stand on one foot, while pressing a button with my eyes closed... Will that help?05:08
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kaoueteRarLukT: yes05:08
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scizzoRarLukT: I hope you didn't think to use Root for X?05:09
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thoreauputicscizzo: I think it's possible, but might need a root user first05:09
scizzothoreauputic: true05:09
thoreauputicRarLukT: all in all, I think it would be easiest to start again...05:10
RarLukTI actually did... Havent touched Linux since 1999, u see...05:10
RarLukTIt only took me 2 hours...05:10
scizzoRarLukT: never use root for X05:10
RarLukTOk... I didn05:10
RarLukTDidnt know05:10
thoreauputicRarLukT: root is reserved for special occasions ;)05:11
scizzoRarLukT: root is a "use this only if necessary" thingy...05:11
RarLukTAhhh05:11
RarLukTOki. I see. I installed this yesterday... But then I couldnt set up a network account because the stupid program was asking for the root-password... And I never had one...05:12
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scizzoRarLukT: also...the applications often asks for the root password if they need it...and then you just type the user password in there instead05:12
crypticreigndmouritsendk: well i will just upgrade to hoary, since i cant solve this problem05:12
RarLukTSo I got pissed off, and tried to install it again. It took 2 hours...05:12
RarLukTscizzo: I tried that. Like a billion times. Didn't work... (The caps-lock was not on... I swear to god)05:13
scizzoRarLukT: well did you add a new user? and used that user?05:13
RarLukTMabe this Linux-version is not ment for me...05:14
thoreauputicRarLukT: on the contrary, sounds like it was made for you ;)05:14
scizzoRarLukT: the thing is that the user that you create during install....that one is added automatically to sudoers....but if you create a new later...that one is not added auto to the file...you need to add it yourself05:15
thoreauputicRarLukT: but you are "overthinking"05:15
RarLukTHehe05:15
dmouritsendkcrypticreign, i think that might be the easiest solution (just reinstalling metacity and gnome might do the trick to, it seems to me it something metacity problem (i would have said gnome, but since openoffice doesnt start eighter, i think chances are its something metacity or x related))05:15
thoreauputicRarLukT: I suggest the first stop is the FAQ05:16
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reon_Hi05:16
RarLukTOk. So the thing is... When the installation program (that took ages) wants me to add a user that haves to have a password, this is the sado-user? (sudo, sado... Whatever)... That's as far as I got..05:16
RarLukTGot a Linux for jerks like me`?05:17
kaouetehhhhhhhhh05:17
kaouetem05:17
thoreauputicRarLukT: yes, the user you make on install has sudo rights (administrative)05:17
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RarLukTSo when I choosed not to make a sudo-user, i acutally answered that "oh no... This machine cannot be used by anyone"05:18
RarLukT"Not even God himcelf can use this machine, because I choose not to have a sudo-user. Thats what I want. A useless machine."05:18
thoreauputichttp://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq05:19
thoreauputicRarLukT: more or less, yeah ;)05:19
RarLukTWhy would they give me this stupid choice?05:19
kaouetegood question, i didnt had the choice here05:19
kaouetethey just told me to choose a username and a password05:19
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_alemy root pass was the normal user password05:20
_aleor something05:20
|daver|i just loaded the preview release and it didnt prompt me for a root pw is there a defualt root pw?05:20
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kaouetei thought that there was no root pass !?05:20
thoreauputicRarLukT: you were trying to outsmart the installer - you succeeded, but it revenged itself on you ;)05:20
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sproingieit sure prompted me for one05:20
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|daver|i got prompted for a user pw05:21
|daver|not a root pow05:21
sproingieit didnt give the first user sudo either, i had to log in as root and edit /etc/sudoers05:21
kaouetedepend on the version you use :)05:21
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thoreauputicsproingie: that's bizarre05:21
sproingiehm, my install experience was vastly different for some reason05:21
|daver|what is up with this05:21
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StoffBox-Stevesmall question, whats the editor you use ? @ all05:22
kaouetevim.05:22
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kaldenvim05:22
|daver|ok sudo passwd root05:22
thoreauputiccat05:22
|daver|works05:22
|daver|now i need to install the smp kernel05:22
|daver|i havent used apt in a few years05:22
|daver|is there a way to search for what i need to install?05:22
RarLukTI got prompted, yes... But I said no05:22
kaoueteapt-cache search it05:22
kaoueteapt-cache search kernel image smp05:22
kaouetemaybe05:22
StoffBox-Steve*gg* ok -- whats html/php editor you use :D05:23
sproingiemake sure you do apt-get update first05:23
thoreauputic|daver|: apt-cache search linux-image | grep smp05:23
kaoueteRarLukT: here it just asked me the username, not ig i want it or not05:23
RarLukTHmm... The text said it was clever of me to choose one. It was in norwegian. I must kill that translator05:23
|daver|ok that works05:23
|daver|i am doing the complete05:23
|daver|i have a dual xeon with x86-64 extensions05:24
|daver|it should work with hyperthreading too right?05:24
kaoueteyes05:24
|daver|cool05:24
kaouete(so you will have 4 cpu :)05:24
|daver|w00p05:24
|daver|nice box my work gave me05:24
|daver|heh05:24
kaouetekrkr05:24
|daver|quiet as hell too05:24
thoreauputic|daver|: hell is quiet? How do you know? Or shouldn't I ask? :P05:25
|daver|haha05:25
thoreauputic:)05:25
kaoueteis it normal that it didnt used framebuffer ?05:25
kaouete(i mean installer)05:25
thoreauputickaouete: it's an ncurses interface, if that's what you mean05:26
kaoueteno no05:26
kaoueteit's just that actually the screen isnt used at all05:26
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kaoueteto use it at all, i need to be in 1024x768 with fb05:26
kaouetei have already reboot05:26
kaoueteit is installing packages now05:27
kaouetefor the moment it is ok, but i restarted install from the beginning, because it looked like i have done a bad thing before, i just lost my screen, and nothing was hapenning, if it is the same05:28
kaouetei will boot on a knoppix and check conf by hand.05:28
|daver|hmm how ocme i dont get a grub menu?>05:28
Blackice1963identify blackice196305:28
|daver|it says loading grub, and then it just boots05:28
kaouete|daver|: maybe you dont say to installer to install it on mbr05:28
kaoueteaaah05:28
kaoueteit's maybe because there is no choice to make05:28
kaoueteooor05:28
thoreauputic|daver|: hit <esc> I think05:28
kaouetejust modify grub.conf05:28
kaouete(or menu.lst)05:28
kaouetein /boot/grub/05:29
kaoueteto make it wait05:29
virtualdBlackice1963: that's the worst password i've seen in a long time05:29
kaouetehere it is waiting 10 seconds05:29
RarLukTThe FAQ told me nothing at all, but now I know how to pronounce Ubunu.05:29
kaouetevirtuald: :))05:29
Blackice1963ok05:29
virtualdB905:29
virtualdB] 05:29
Blackice1963it looks good to me lol05:29
kaoueteyou can change it now :)05:29
|daver|ok smp booted and i see 2 cpu's not 405:30
Blackice1963nop05:30
|daver|and cat /proc/cpuinfo shows ht05:30
Nielsshas anyone (in here) ever actually gotten an ati card to work in ubuntu, that also has a nforce2 chipset on the motherboard?05:30
thoreauputicBlackice1963: you use your username as a pass? What's your IP ? *g*05:30
Blackice1963ok05:31
kaouete|daver|: so ht is not activated in kernel maybe05:31
kaouetekrkr05:31
|daver|nope it not05:31
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|daver|so i would have to recompile it myself?05:31
kaouetemaybe05:31
kaouetecheck the config before05:31
mjrNielss, hmh, I've an ati 9250 working nicely here (with the free drivers), but I think I have nforce305:31
kaouetethere should be one shipped with the kernel05:32
|daver|where can i find it? /usr/src/linux ?05:32
kaouetemore /boot05:32
kaoueteor in /proc/config.gz05:32
kaoueteor something like that05:32
dmouritsendkBlackice1963, don't tell what ur username and passwords are on a irc channel :p05:32
reon_Anyone care to help a idiot with his sound dilemma ?05:32
Nielssmjr with the ati drivers in 3d or some other ones?05:32
thoreauputicreon_: just ask, don't ask to ask :)05:33
jesus-is there a network monitor tool for linux?05:34
reon_I cannot get my Plantornics headset to work with Hoary AMD64-k805:34
thoreauputicjesus-: quite a few actually05:34
kaouetejesus-: depend on what you want to do05:35
thoreauputicexactly05:35
reon_more info here: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=18926&highlight=change+audio+device05:35
no0ticjesus-: define network monitor05:35
jesus-i want to monitor my network activity, preferably see what process generates traffic and how much05:35
_aletcpdump05:35
jesus-in kb/sec etc05:35
|daver|hmm what is that called in the kernel config to look up hyperthreading?05:35
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thoreauputicethereal05:35
|daver|i am not used to looking in the config05:35
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kaouete|daver|: *HT* ? :)05:35
|daver|i looked05:36
reon_my head is bleeding05:36
kaoueteCONFIG_X86_HT05:36
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reon_by the way, can someone recommend a very good linux/deb book05:36
reon_thanks, but the bloodloss is going to kill me05:37
wartylinux for dummys lol05:37
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|daver|ahh it dosent exist05:37
|daver|u know why05:37
|daver|cause this is a AMD64 kernel05:37
kaouetehehe :)05:37
|daver|even tho it runs on intel05:37
|daver|so would this be a bug?05:37
reon_warty, thanks but something that actually gets down to the nuts and bolts05:37
kaouetedavix_: krkrkr05:37
kaoueteoups05:37
kaouetenot davix_ ;(((05:37
|daver|since now the Xeon supports x64 and has hyperthreading?05:38
kaouete|daver|: why did you use such a kernel ?05:38
|daver|because this chip is x86-64 compatible05:38
|daver|so why not?05:38
kaouetehhhm05:38
reon_anybody had a look at that link ?05:38
|daver|thats the whole point of it05:38
kaoueteare you sure it's the best one to use with ?05:38
|daver|http://www.intel.com/technology/64bitextensions/05:39
|daver|i wonder if there is a ubuntu kernel that will work with it05:39
|daver|enable 64bit and have HT05:39
reon_i'm on my knees here people, this is probably something simple05:40
thoreauputicreon_: I had a look, but I have no idea, sorry05:40
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reon_thanks anyway.05:40
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reon_would you know how I can swop the device IDs around, swop 0&1 ???05:40
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mjrNielss, 3d works (with DRI)05:40
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Nielssdamn05:41
thoreauputicreon_: do you have normal headphones? or only usb? does sound work for normal headphones, I mean?05:41
reon_only USB & no speakers05:41
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tolstoylatest kernel, no nvidia drivers, apparently.  Can I expect them to just show up one day?05:42
Nielssi managed to install them fine (as far as i know) using the guide on the ubuntu site, but it still wants to use the MESA ones and i cant figure out why :/05:42
thoreauputicreon_: you don't even have  pair of earbuds for a walkman or something? To test?05:42
dmouritsendk|daver|, doesn't you have the option Processor type and features -> SMT (Hyperthreading) scheduler support  in menuconfig?05:42
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reon_nope, stupid hey ? maybe I should buy some05:42
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thoreauputicreon_: sounds like a plan, yeah05:43
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Xerhi05:43
Xeranyone know how to uninstall gnome?05:43
thoreauputicreon_: less than $5 I would guess...05:43
dmouritsendk|daver|, or try "cat /usr/src/linux/.config | grep CONFIG_SCHED_SMT"05:44
reon_wait, i just found a old banged up pair in my brothers drawer05:44
thoreauputicXer: apt-get remove gnome-session should do it, more or less05:44
mjrNielss, you're talking about the binary drivers. Don't know about them.05:44
Xerok05:44
Xernow if i have the kde05:44
Xerhow i can install it05:44
Xer?05:44
reon_they require some soldering though....05:44
|daver|ok let me try that05:44
stuNNedskippy dippy muine goes! :D05:44
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thoreauputicXer: you don't need to uninstall gnome to install KDE :/05:45
Xer:\05:45
Nielssdamn, alright then05:45
Xeri need to uninstall gnome05:45
Xerand install kde05:45
Xerand id like from kde to autostart after i remove gnome05:45
|daver|dmouritsendk: it says its not set05:45
|daver|so i would have to recompile the kernel then i assume05:45
thoreauputicXer: why do you *need * to uninstall gnome?05:45
Xeri'd like to get more free space :P05:46
|daver|buy a bigger drive05:46
dmouritsendk|dave|, yup. afraid so05:46
|daver|dmouritsendk: is there a howto on how to do in under ubuntu ?05:46
thoreauputicXer: or install Kubuntu05:46
Xeri have05:46
Xer80 gb05:46
Xerand anther one 40 gb05:46
Xer:D05:46
|daver|i have done it before just never with ubuntu05:46
thoreauputicXer: install Kubuntu05:47
Xerwhat is kubuntu?05:47
thoreauputicXer: ubuntu with KDE instead of gnome05:47
Xer:\05:47
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Xerhow mb is it?05:47
jjpmr52hi folks !05:48
thoreauputicXer: if you didn't want gnome, why on earth did you install Ubuntu?05:48
Xerhi jj05:48
Xerits easy05:48
Xeri dont have linux cd ;)05:48
stuNNedXer: there is kubuntu why not use that?05:48
Xeronly ubuntu05:48
Xer:D05:48
Xerim now in ubu05:48
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dmouritsendk|daver|, i'm not sure, but you should be able to do it manually (grabbing vanilla sources from kernel.org and then just install it as usual)05:49
Xerim now in ubuntu web site reading about it :D05:49
jjpmr52here is the final question :-)05:49
dmouritsendk|daver|, but try and check ubuntus homepage first05:49
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thoreauputicXer: just install KDE from universe repository - remove what you don't want later05:49
Xereh05:49
jjpmr52if would have to choose between Gift Ml Donkey and Nicotine which on would choose05:49
dmouritsendk|daver|, im pretty sure they have packages that will make the process "easier" (generating initrds and such)05:50
stuNNedXer: good luck with it mate05:50
Xerafter i install kde05:50
Xerhow to make kde auto start? ;)05:50
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dmouritsendk|daver|, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelHowto/view?searchterm=kernel05:50
jordanauHey, I just lost my sound, I had it before and was trying to add multiple sound ability. I have an onboard soundcard from mobo asus a7n8x deluxe. How can I get my sound files back to the way they were when ubuntu was first installed?05:50
thoreauputicXer: one thing at a time, eh?05:50
Xer[i will back to kernel 2.4 and gnome wont work on it] 05:50
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thoreauputicXer: what are you smoking?05:50
Xerco2 ;)05:51
stuNNedlol05:51
Xeri mean o205:51
Xer;] 05:51
sproingieXer: install kdm05:51
stuNNedheh05:51
sproingieXer: pick kde from the session menu05:51
Xerkdm?05:51
Xeri dont know the session menu05:51
Xer:D05:51
stuNNedXer: kdm=kde session manager :D05:51
sproingieXer: it's a package.  apt-get install kdm05:51
Xerexplan ;)05:51
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Xerhaaaaaaaa!05:51
thoreauputicXer: I'm guessing you got KDE from another source -and the kernel has *nothing* to do with your desktop environment05:52
sproingiewhen you see the login screen, you'll see a button that says "menu".  that has a submenu for "session".  pick KDE05:52
Xernoo05:52
Xeru dont know anythinges05:52
stuNNed?05:52
Xerim trying to make my own live cd [ all thinges  i need it in that cd] 05:52
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sproingieXer: goooood luck05:52
thoreauputicXer: funny, that's what I was thinking about you :)05:52
Xermy live cd scripte didnt work with 2.605:52
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Xersoo i get 2.405:52
Xerammmm05:53
sproingieXer: you have to know how to use a system before you can distribute one05:53
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Xeryou think im clown?05:53
Xerand smokeing maybe ;)05:53
sproingieXer: live cd's are complicated05:53
Xernah its easy05:53
Xeri changed live cd scripte by my self05:53
thoreauputicXer: you want to make a live CD and you don't know how to start KDE? Have fun...05:53
Xerand after i finshed05:53
Xerits worked05:53
Xeri get .iso05:53
Xeri changed thinges latter05:53
Xerand the new iso05:53
Xerwont  work with em ;] 05:53
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Xerme*05:54
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sproingieehhh he just wants to burn a livecd i think05:54
sproingieXer: google for kubuntu livecd05:54
Xernooooooooooooooooooooooooooo05:54
Xerha!05:54
reonthoreauputic, Sound works with normal headphones05:54
raydoggAfter running the livecd for a while, nothing opens, i can't right click and select "open terminal" or run any programs from the menu05:54
dazed_Xer: u making me giggle05:54
Xeri know05:54
thoreauputicsproingie: no, he's remastering05:54
raydogghappens on regular installs too05:54
Xerim clown :D05:54
Xerbtw05:54
Xeri finshed kde ;] 05:54
dmouritsendk|daver|, tip: when recompiling the kernel, remember to check if HighMemorySupport(If u got >=1GBRAM) is enabled, it doesn't seem to be in most kernels as default and i cant count the times ive had to compile a kernel over again because i forgot to enable it :p05:54
Xerthans for not helping me :D05:55
thoreauputicreon: well, that's something :)05:55
reonI just wish I knew how to select the USB as default device05:55
thoreauputicXer: thanks for telling us we know nothing ! :)05:55
dazed_helping start KDE?05:55
Xernp :)05:55
jesuellol thor05:55
jjpmr52is there someone who could help me ?05:55
Xermee mee mee05:55
dazed_its pretty easy u change one file and restart Xer05:55
Xer<--- me05:55
sproingienot i...05:55
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dazed_i change 3 letter of one string in one file Xer....05:56
jjpmr52i have a choice to make Xer05:56
dazed_its not that complicated05:56
thoreauputicXer: what is your new distro called, so I know not to try it? *grin*05:56
Xerok05:56
Xermy new distroy is05:56
Xeris05:56
Xerlive cd05:56
Xerwith05:56
Xercygwin on it [ kde on it ]  ;)05:56
Xerhave fun :P05:56
jesuellol05:57
dazed_so knoppix Xer?05:57
dazed_cuz thats what knoppix is05:57
jjpmr52what would choose between Gift Ml Donkey and Nicotine ?05:57
thoreauputicLOL Xer> my new distroy is  (how appropriate! )05:57
dazed_the 2.4 kernel with KDE05:57
dazed_good oen05:57
Xerkonppix need alots of missing files05:57
Xerlol05:57
Xerdistro05:57
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Xerwell05:57
dazed_lol05:57
virtualdi need something point-and-clicky for dvd-burning, what should i use?05:57
dazed_Xer: ur not doing anything new...ur not helping anythign why not just work on ur own computer05:57
Xeruh05:58
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Xergood idea05:58
thoreauputicXer: so it's really *up to date* with a 2.4 kernel and all? WOW05:58
dazed_instead of making live cds that exist05:58
Xerbut this isnt my computer05:58
Xersoo im not scard to run virus on it05:58
Xer:D05:58
dazed_Kubuntu is Ubu with KDE and they have a live cd Knoppix is 2.4 kernel with KDE they have a live cd05:58
dazed_try it out05:58
Xerdazed05:58
Xeri know what it is05:58
Xeri read the site05:58
Xer:P05:58
Xer[hole the site] 05:58
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Xeri ignored you jesysel :)05:59
thoreauputicXer: could you use punctuation instead of your enter key?05:59
Xernah05:59
Xeri have problem05:59
dazed_lol05:59
thoreauputicwe know05:59
Xeri have 4 finger in my right hands05:59
dazed_with english? or computers?05:59
Xerand five inleft ;)05:59
BobTheBreakerHey guys, got a quick question. I did a fresh Ubuntu install last night, and transferred over a copy of a custom web app that uses PEAR::Mail to send through an SMTP server. I've got PEAR installed, I can send just fine through Evolution on the same mail server, but whenever I try and send a mail through the php app...Just hangs forever. What am I, in all my boneheaded glory, missing here?05:59
Xerboth06:00
kaouetegruumpf, the problem is appearing when it tries to run gdm : screen goes black and that's all, i can switch to console.06:00
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thoreauputicdazed_: lobotomy, perhaps06:00
jesuellol thor06:00
dazed_rawfles thor06:00
dazed_well shit i just realized i had class in 15 minutes06:00
dazed_im out06:01
jesuelahh, god...copying huge files via nfs = the suck06:01
dazed_gl making something that exists for no reason Xer...peace guys06:01
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metalkaodcan someone tell me if the NXClient is on the livecd?  i can't find a listing of the packages for it06:02
kaouetegraouh.06:02
Xerclass :\06:03
Xeri have exam tomorooooooo :\06:03
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Xerammmmmmmm06:03
Xeri think you mistaked06:04
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Xeryou dont have to write my nick in that sentence06:04
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blizahive installed mplayer and would rather have it play movies instead of totem...how would i tell it which types of files to play..ive looked around on each and cant find the option06:05
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kaoueteafter gdm is launched, install is finished ?06:05
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TuxadermistATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.10-4-k7/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko): Invalid module format06:06
Tuxadermist  Good job on the updated kernel .........06:06
reonI cannot find any /etc/modules.conf, or /etc/modprobe.conf files ???06:06
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FlopsyPetehi. I need to reset a root password for someone whose forgotten it. it worked fine with my Debian system editing /etc/shadow. it looks as tho Ubuntu does something different - where does it keep its passwords?06:07
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Xerall lessten06:07
Xerwich one is better06:07
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Xerkernel 2.6.10 or kernel 2.4.106:07
Xer?06:07
kaouete2.6.1006:07
kaouete2.4.1 is too old06:07
AmaranthFlopsyPete: Ubuntu doesn't have a root account by default.06:08
tolstoyTuxadermist, i'm not sure why the developers don't wait for nvidia drivers, since so many people use them.06:08
xamdmFlopsyPete: just run a linux from a liveCD and chroot to the ubuntu system, then jou can use passwd06:08
Xerthat what im going to use it06:08
AmaranthFlopsyPete: You can boot into recovery mode from grub and edit the file06:08
reondoes ubuntu have /etc/modules.conf, or /etc/modprobe.conf files ???06:08
Xerthanks for help06:08
Xer:D06:08
thoreauputicXer: 2.4.1 was recently dug up in an archaological expedition06:08
reonlol06:08
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Xerthanks for information06:08
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TuxadermistI cant even backtrack ot the last kernel ?06:08
Amaranth2.4.1 is from ~2000, isn't it?06:09
kaoueteyes :)06:09
jesuelAmaranth: yea, thereabouts06:09
tolstoyTuxadermist, I had to go with 2.6.10-3 to get a working X.06:09
FlopsyPeteAmaranth: so perhaps the account thats been setup for the person using it has root priviliges? and I should enter their password even when logged inas them, for synaptic?06:09
Xer2000!06:09
AmaranthFlopsyPete: Yeah.06:09
Xerim thinking to use 2.6.10 now06:09
Xer:D06:09
Xerbut why its not working with me?06:09
AmaranthFlopsyPete: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo06:09
blizahanyone know how to tell mplayer to open all types of video viles?06:09
FlopsyPeteAmaranth: thanks06:09
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Xeri get block not work06:10
thoreauputicXer: possibly because you lost your mind with your finger?06:10
jesuellol06:10
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MaulkinLo all06:10
XermIRC SPy: jesuel is trying to version you06:10
Xermaybe06:10
Xer;D06:10
Xerbut i dont lost my mind06:11
dmouritsendktolstoy, what version of the nvidia drivers are in the reps? i'm running 2.6.10 with the 1.0.6629 drivers on the this box (gentoo)06:11
Xeri lost my control on my fingers06:11
Xer:D06:11
Xerhahahaha06:11
thoreauputicXer: thanks, I was trying too - now we all know06:11
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MaulkinGot a question about the way that Debian packages are ported to Ubuntu06:11
Xeri dont know06:11
Xerwhats you all know?06:11
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Maulkin(I'm a Debian Developer, and have a received a bug, which I can't reproduce under Debian)06:11
thoreauputicXer: your version, and that you are using windows06:11
tolstoydmouritsendk, a new kernel today, but I don't think the nvidia drivers were properly compiled to work with it.  They're always the 6629 drivers.06:12
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Xerreally?06:12
Xer:D06:12
Xerthere is samethinges06:12
Xeri write it06:12
thoreauputic<Xer> mIRC SPy: jesuel is trying to version you06:12
CassandraHello.  Can anyone tell me why my warty system (upgraded from Debian stable) doesn't have a CDROM drive device (/dev/hdc doesn't exist)?06:12
XerXer :D06:12
XerXer hahahaha06:12
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Xerdmouritsendk tolstoy, what version of the nvidia drivers are in the reps? i'm running 2.6.10 with the 1.0.6629 drivers on the this box (gentoo)06:12
Xerthoreauputic Xer: thanks, I was trying too - now we all know06:12
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XerMaulkin Got a question about the way that Debian packages are ported to Ubuntu06:12
XerXer i dont know06:12
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Xerah anyone know how to tell mplayer to open all types of video viles?06:13
XerFlopsyPete Amaranth: thanks06:13
Xer* Received a CTCP VERSION from jesuel06:13
XerXer i get block not work06:13
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Xerthoreauputic Xer: possibly be06:13
XerXer * Received a CTCP VERSION from jesuel06:13
XerXer * Received a CTCP VERSION from jesuel06:13
XerXer * Received a CTCP VERSION from jesuel06:13
tolstoylinux-restricted-modules-k7 2.6.10-606:13
Xerthat ia06:13
thoreauputicXer: stop NOW06:13
Xerthat is06:13
Xeri know he was trying to know whats im useing now06:13
Xersoo i write it06:13
Xer:D06:13
Xerhahaha06:13
thoreauputicXer: you should be kicked!06:13
reoncan some check and see if they have /etc/modules.conf, or /etc/modprobe.conf files at all please ?06:13
Xernah06:13
thoreauputic*sigh* time for /ignore06:14
kaoueteis there special things to do when using ubuntu with i830 video card ??06:14
thoreauputicplonk06:14
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MaulkinBasically, I'm wondering if teh standard .debs are used, or if some modification takes place, particularly with regards to the preinst and postrm scripts06:14
Xerlol06:14
Xer:D06:14
Xerignoreing me06:14
Xer:D06:14
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Xer* Ping reply from thoreauputic: 3.00 second(s)06:15
Xerblah06:15
Xeryou didnt ignored me06:15
Xer:D06:15
jesuel-whoa weird. xchat bombed :(06:15
Xerhahahahaha06:15
TuxadermistLike who releases a kernel without updateing the video drivers anyhow ?06:15
thoreauputicfabbione, mdz where are the ops?06:15
XerBoooooooooooomB06:15
scizzojdub: can you kick him?06:15
Myrttithoreauputic: indeed06:15
Xerlol06:15
Xermee06:16
Xer:D06:16
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Myrttiffs06:16
fabbioneNotEvenXer: stop06:16
NotEvenXerwhat?06:16
fabbioneit's not funny or nice06:16
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NotEvenXeri just join now06:16
scizzoNotEvenXer: if you behave like that then you are not welcome06:16
NotEvenXerscizzo and you too06:16
tolstoyTuxadermist, ubuntu!06:16
NotEvenXer:D06:16
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MaulkinOr if there isn't anyone around, would the ubuntu-devel be the best place to post to?06:17
scizzoNotEvenXer: yeah you just joined....now type /quit oppss06:17
thoreauputicscizzo: I suggest we stop feeding the troll, and add to our /ignore lists06:17
scizzothoreauputic: true.. :)06:18
MrBehave:D06:18
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MrBehave<<-- he mean me06:18
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goldfish /kb06:18
goldfishtbh06:18
Myrttigood idea, but how about the newbies and the rest that join on the channel and don't know his act06:18
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Xerand how i know06:18
Xeryou are oped in this chan06:18
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=== Xer is soo nice when sameone op is here :D
Xercan  i get voice? [ i will shut up i swer :D] 06:19
Quest-Masterahahaha.06:19
Myrttifabbione: please.06:19
netmonkI'm using hoary, but upgraded from warty. sometimes when I log in i see the mounted devices, sometimes I don't even though they are mounted. is there a way i can fix that?06:19
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confreyhi to everybody. I have just installed the hoary RC on my laptop!06:20
XerMyrtti <- shut up are u trying to get my in problem [ banned ;)] 06:20
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confreywhat are the link for apt sources of packages?06:20
jesuel-ty fabbione06:21
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thoreauputicfabbione: thanks06:21
fabbionei hate to ban in here06:21
leonelI've got this line  on my sources,list   deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty-security main restricted  universe06:21
confreyfabbione : are you Italian?06:21
thoreauputicfabbione: he was beyond the pale06:21
fabbioneconfrey: yes06:21
leoneland one package came from  security/universe   is it sage ?06:21
neighborleetrying to run my linux native games isn't bringing up any UI ( loki installer)..is this obtainable via apt ?06:22
leoneland one package came from  security/universe   is it safe ?06:22
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fabbioneFrndhi06:22
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CassandraCan anyone tell me why my warty system (upgraded from Debian stable) doesn't have a CDROM drive device (/dev/hdc doesn't exist) please?06:22
fabbioneFrndCould i Talk in this buttiful chan?06:22
fabbioneFrnd:)06:22
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fabbioneok.. apparently being nice isn't enough06:22
reonoh no, he's back...06:23
fabbioneFrndyes i wasnt nice06:23
fabbioneFrndnow im   very very very nice06:23
fabbioneFrnd:D06:23
fabbioneFrndim start my question with "could i "06:23
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jesuelgod, youre a jackass.06:23
jesuelgo away.06:23
dmouritsendkhehehe :D06:23
fabbioneFrndyou can ask me to leave06:23
fabbioneFrnd:D06:23
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fabbioneFrndwait i get idea06:23
fabbioneFrndbrb06:24
neighborleefabbioneFrnd, you could just ask and wait for assistance06:24
jesuelwhat do you think a kick is, and ban?06:24
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neighborleebizarre06:24
jesuelnow youre just evading a ban06:24
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fabbioneNOT AGAIN06:24
fabbioneDAMN BITCHX06:24
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fabbionei need to change client06:24
jesuelfabbione: scrollz06:24
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goldfishfabbione: use irssi06:25
fabbioneyeah06:25
fabbioneor that06:25
simmerzHi, I'm currently a debian user, but I want to install a new system with EVMS right from the start. the debian evms-udeb doesn't work in the installer, so I am wondering if it does within ubuntu?06:25
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jesuelooops, i closed my controlling terminal06:25
jesuelfabbione, scrollz :)06:25
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BobTheBreakerSlightly different question: What steps do I need to take to make PHP work with Postfix at all? Aside from setting the sendmail path in php.ini?06:28
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dmouritsendkfabbione, you really dont want the responsibility huh ;p06:29
fabbionenah.. that's not it06:29
blackstari need help...i installed free-java-sdk...i cant find out where the program is...how do i open it06:29
simmerzBobTheBreaker: not really a question for this channel. try #php06:29
fabbionei just keep forgetting to disable the "fortune cookies" on /kick06:30
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fabbioneand i get even more upset06:30
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GhostFreemanHey guys, I can't load my USB Drive06:30
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BobTheBreakersimmerz: Thanks, I'll give it a go.06:30
TuxadermistWell at least the Nvidia driver package from Nvidia compiled a driver ....06:30
thoreauputicfabbione: the last one was kind of appropriate, though ;)06:30
jesuelfortune cookies?06:31
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jesueloh, random kick messages06:31
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kaouetewell, looks like ubuntu installer isnt perfect, it failed to make X works with my video card, i dont know why, on debian all was perfect06:36
kaouetelooks like i have to finish by hand06:36
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kaouetei just hope that install was finished when gdm was started because my laptop crashed at this time06:37
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simmerzso noone knows if i can set up evms while installing ubuntu?06:38
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confreyI uninstalled evolution from hoary RC, how cna I install v.2.0 of evolution?06:39
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dmouritsendksimmerz, Im 90% certain that u can, i used lvm2 for the ubuntu my test install and im almost certain that the diskpreperation part had also had a EVMS setup tool06:40
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simmerzthe debian install has an EVMS setup tool, but it doesn't work06:41
dmouritsendksimmerz, boot the install cd and see if it does to be certain :p06:41
dmouritsendksimmerz, ok06:41
simmerztrue06:41
simmerzalso, if installing on AMD64, are there prepackaged 32bit libs? or do i still need to chroot?06:41
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jonohi, does anyone know how I can add a delete command for right mouse button in gnome?06:42
kaouetethere is, no ?06:42
kaoueteif there is only a button to put in trash06:42
kaoueteyou can add a direct deletect i think in gnome conf, or nautilus conf06:43
kaouetedoesnt rememeber06:43
jonok06:43
kaoueteoulala, i have problem to write ^^06:43
jonowhere is gnome.conf?06:43
Chipzzkaouete: you is speaking with big haar derauf :P06:43
kaouete:)06:43
dmouritsendkjono, maybe you add "rm" to the open with menu :D (joke!)06:44
raydogghttp://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/03/11/atlanta.shooting/index.html06:44
kaouetejono: it's not gnome.conf but the gnome configuration06:44
kaouetein the menus06:44
thoreauputicjono: file management prefs >> Include a delete command06:44
thoreauputicjono: under desktop prefernces06:45
thoreauputic*preferences06:45
HillTopfabbione: the last one was a keeper LOL06:45
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jonothoreauputic thanks so much! :)06:46
thoreauputicjono: you're welcome :)06:46
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firdelgod damn americans.... allways shooting somebody06:46
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thoreauputicfirdel: what prompted that comment?06:47
firdelthe cnn article06:47
thoreauputicfirdel: link?06:47
firdelhttp://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/03/11/atlanta.shooting/index.html06:47
firdelim form a little country, Denmark, in europe. Alle news we get from the states is violence thius and violence that06:48
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jonofirdel, that is all the news we americans have got for the last 50 years, thus why america is the most violent country of all06:49
firdel:l06:49
netmonkfirdel, that's what makes the news06:49
firdeli lived there once06:49
firdelin 86', for a year06:49
netmonk"there is no news like the bad news!"06:49
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firdelmichael mores point exactly06:50
firdelscare em, scare em good, they will do as we like06:50
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jonoMichael Moore made excellent points in both "Bowling for Columbine" and "Fareignheit 9/11"06:51
Quest-MasterHoly crap06:51
firdeloh well.. i gotta go bake some none violent bread in the oven06:51
Quest-MasterI live really close to that courthouse06:51
dmouritsendkfirdel,  in all fairness , i bet there's more to the american political situration than michael more covers in his films. I think he have made some good films, especially columbine. but damn he's biased.06:52
dmouritsendkfirdel,  btw. jeg er ogs? fra et lille land i europa :p06:52
MyrttiEnglish, please.06:52
bryananyone know of a good direct connect client?06:53
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thoreauputicdmouritsendk: biased, yes - but there aren't a lot of voices for opposition being heard these days06:53
mkphmm, looks like this channel is being 0wn3d by Danes06:53
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Lemon:D06:53
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bryanyou guys keep getting those gay "free sms now!!!" messages too?06:54
bryani just went to the head and came back to 4 of them06:55
dmouritsendkthoreauputic, I'm not at all qualified to comment on the socialstructure/political situration of america, but i think its incredibly obvious that more hates bush (who indeed are very hateable). making it hard for me to take his(moore) crituque of bush for anything less than political probaganda06:56
thoreauputicbryan: not seeing them here06:56
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dmouritsendkmore hates == moore hates :p06:56
thoreauputicdmouritsendk: he doesn't only comment on bush etc - he has a general agenda to raise consciousness of idiocy :)06:57
bryanbowling for columbine was good06:57
abcd1234Is anyone good with X configuration in Ubuntu?06:57
dmouritsendkbryan, agree06:57
thoreauputicabcd1234: nah, nobody at all - we all believe in using CLI for *everything* ;-)06:58
abcd1234lol06:58
scizzoabcd1234: ask your question....06:58
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bryanhey, lets gather up all our IRA friennds and storm into a town that's just been devistated, and hold a PRO gun rally06:58
bryanwhat a bunch of idiots06:58
scizzoabcd1234: just ask instead of asking about a specific person06:58
scizzobryan: could this subject go outside of the channel? IMHO its a bit offtopic..?06:59
bryanno06:59
dazed_yt006:59
bryanit's over06:59
jesuelit could, perhaps take it to #ubuntuforums or a private message.06:59
thoreauputicabcd1234: lynx, irssi and vi - why would you need X ? </joke>06:59
jesuelor over, either way.06:59
abcd1234I had installed Ubuntu's "Warty" version on an older comp that has an S3 Savage4 AGP card in and it detected it and worked fine in X without issues.  I later wiped that install then tried out the Hoary release and when X loads I get vertical streaks spaced out about a quarter to half an inch apart all over the screen when X loads.07:00
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bryan:007:00
bryanthat's no good07:00
GhostFreemanGuys, my USB Flash drive is not being detected by Ubuntu07:00
GhostFreemanso I can't even boot it. What do I do now?07:00
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abcd1234Any ideas on what might be up with the new Hoary preview release's X that didn't happen in the older one?07:01
bryanxfree>xorg07:01
thoreauputicabcd1234: well, it's xorg and not xfree8607:01
abcd1234But the hardware support should be the same right?  Like X.org supporting XFree86's hardware?07:01
dmouritsendkthoreauputic, agree with ur x considerations. today, even mplayer can render to a terminal with glorious acsii output07:01
thoreauputicbryan: oops sorry didn't look :)07:01
dmouritsendkthoreauputic, :p07:02
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thoreauputicdmouritsendk: indeed, and you can do fractals in ascii as well ;-)07:02
bryandmouritsendk:  mplayer will play a video in a terminal in ascii?07:02
bryanthat's ffffffing cool07:02
jesuelyup07:03
thoreauputicbryan: cool but pointless07:03
bryanbut, still cool.07:03
jesueland aatv will play tv card input in a terminal07:03
thoreauputic:)07:03
jesuelbut once again, pointless07:03
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thoreauputiclike apt-get moo  ;)07:03
bryansometimes, something being pointless is the only basis for it being cool07:03
dmouritsendkPOINTLESS? with out that feature stuff like http://onyx.chattanoogastate.edu/~jack/matrix/ wouldnt be possible.. just think what the world would be missing07:04
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bryanomfg, there's a dvdr of it07:04
bryansomeone has WAY too much time07:04
bryan*downloads*07:05
LupiusHow can i add a (custom?) splash image to GRUB?07:05
thoreauputic         (__)07:05
thoreauputic         (oo)07:05
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thoreauputic...."Have you mooed today?"...07:05
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thoreauputicoops sorry for the flood :)07:05
jesuellol07:05
jesuel[S+Z]  PUBLIC flooding detected from thoreauputic07:06
jesuel      (~debianarc@wolax7-156.dialup.optusnet.com.au)07:06
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bryanhe's an aussie, he can't control himself07:06
thoreauputicjesuel: aaaargh! ( dons tinfoil hat)07:06
LinuxJonesLupius, in gdmsetup07:06
thoreauputicbryan: blood oath, mate07:06
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LinuxJonesLupius, scratch that07:07
jesuelheh tis funny, someone starts public flooding, i get this menu asking if i want to ignore them07:07
bryanjesuel:  client?07:07
LupiusLinuxJones in gdmsetp.... so what to tweak there07:07
jesuelIf youre oped, will ask you if you want to kick them, if +O, /kill them07:08
thoreauputicjesuel: at your peril! *grin*07:08
jesuelbryan, scrollz :)07:08
jesuelthoreauputic, I wouldnt ignore ya, Youre not a jackass like xer07:08
jesuellol :)07:08
bryanhas he been back?07:08
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jesuelnope07:08
thoreauputicjesuel: no, I'm a different kind of jackass ;-)07:08
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thoreauputiche was pretty thoroughly banned...07:09
jesuelthoreauputic, well you dont bug me so. yah :)07:09
thoreauputic:)07:09
bryanyou can do /whowas xer07:09
bryancool07:09
jesuelya07:09
bryanwoah, today is friday07:10
jesuelyah.07:10
thoreauputicbryan: I'm way ahead of you07:10
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thoreauputicSat Mar 12 05:10:34 EST 200507:10
bryanthoreauputic:  probably about 12 hours07:10
jesuelhmm wtf07:10
jesuelwhy does my laptop think its 11:10am and my cable box think its 10:1007:10
jesuelwtf07:10
thoreauputicjesuel: sudo /etc/init.d/ntpdate restart07:11
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jesueldaylight savings time isnt till first sunday of april07:11
jesuelwhoa07:12
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jesueltzconfig thinks im in denver now07:12
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jesuelwhy...07:12
jesuelfixed that07:13
jesuelsilly computer07:13
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Lemonis there a repository where i can install videolan from?07:14
Ti_Uhlhello07:15
DecayerLemon, debian unstable07:15
Ti_Uhlhow do i update my warty release to an hoary07:15
Ti_Uhl:)07:15
bryanvlc works way better then totem07:15
bryanin totem, if i try to move a video ahead like a minute07:15
bryanthe video freezes07:15
jesuelpersonally I like xine07:16
Lemonwell.. i don't think any of the others will play HDTV07:16
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jazzkahi!07:16
jazzkaI have corrupted my /boot partition, is there any way to restore/ reinstall it?07:16
jesuelAlthough vlc is usefull for grabbing my tvcard input off my server box and displaying it on my laptop07:16
thoreauputicDecayer, Lemon, vlc is in universe07:16
Ti_Uhlif i want to upgrade to hoary i just have to edit the apt sources ?07:17
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Lemonoh.. it is :)07:17
Lemoni was searching for 'videolan'07:17
bryanTi_Uhl:  then sudo apt-get update07:17
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Mel_Hiya people07:17
bryanthen sudo apt-get dist-upgrade07:17
jesuelTi_Uhl, edit apt sources. sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade07:17
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bryanor you could do it jesuel's way07:18
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Albackerhow do I set, so that my linux doesnt start gdm anymore. I'll have only the terminal-user-pass-prompt.07:19
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Albackerthere was a file so I changed the defaul runlevel from 5 to 3.07:19
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jesuelor, just do: sudo sed -e 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -y dist-upgrade07:19
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crimsunAlbacker: sudo rm /etc/init.d/rc2.d07:19
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crimsunAlbacker: Ubuntu, like Debian, doesn't play runlevel games. 2-5 are identical.07:19
bryanshowoff07:20
crimsunAlbacker: err, sorry, forget that rm command07:20
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airox_Does anybody know what could be the problem when i loaded the irda modules but lspci doesn't show anything that resembles the irda ?07:20
jesuelbryan, :)07:20
jazzkaplease, how can I reinstall the entire /boot partition? help ;)07:20
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crimsunAlbacker: what I meant was: sudo rm /etc/rc2.d/*gdm07:20
Albackercrimsun, so what should I do. I cant set it to boot in 3.07:20
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airox_can i delete the symlinks for the lvm and raid if i am not using those services ???07:21
crimsunAlbacker: change /etc/inittab back to default to runlevel 207:21
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Albackerok thanks crimsun07:21
jesuelbryan, sed is such a uber command :)07:21
jnkairox_,  lspci output doesn't depend on loaded modules07:21
airox_jnk, Well then it isn't there :(07:22
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crimsunjesuel: passing -y to apt-get is generally a bad idea07:22
jnkairox_, let me see... I don't see mine either07:22
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jesuelcrimsun: true. But its a easy way to go from warty to hoary07:23
jesuel:)07:23
airox_jnk, What could be the problem then?07:23
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thoreauputicjazzka: what dastardly deed have you done to your /boot partition ?07:25
reon_Do you get a sound config utility for Ubuntu ?07:25
AlverHowdy. Could someone tell me how "complete" the package set on the ubuntu install cd is?07:25
jnkairox_, maybe I've disabled it in the bios07:25
AlverAs in, I'm planning to install it on a machine that has no network worth mentioning07:26
thoreauputicAlver: probably depends what you want to use it for07:26
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chlundeHmf, I have a SATA disk and PATA CD-ROM, and modprobe -r ata-piix; modprobe -r libata; modprobe ide-generic; modprobe ata-piix; kindof works, but the last command makes the kernel Oops.. :(  (On the preview CD)07:26
SeveasAlver, depends on what you need...07:26
reon_Alver, pretty complete, but I think you will still need acces to the need07:26
jnkairox_, I'll reboot to check it07:26
reon_net07:26
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jazzkathoreauputic, I have installed Hoary's /boot on warty's /boot partition. So now, the system wont boot07:26
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Alverthoreauputic: very basic stuff. I'd need OpenOffice, some lightweight desktop (xfce or so)  - that's pretty much it07:27
AlverWell, cups, of course07:27
SeveasAlver, those are on the CD07:27
firdelhey what a good image editor, something like photoshop, only free.. i need to crop some pictures :d07:27
AlverBut nothing too special. I just didn't want to get me plain debian since that's a complete pain to run without apt-get mirrors.07:27
thoreauputicAlver: gnome is the default, but you can install others from the net07:27
Myrttigimp07:27
AlverCrap... only from the net?07:27
firdelok07:27
djsti have a problem with alsa sound... anyone good at this?07:27
firdelfanx07:27
thoreauputicAlver: well, maybe it has twm...07:28
SeveasAlver, you can try Kubuntu07:28
djstubuntu seems to think i have lots of sound cards (my web cam is identified as one, for example)07:28
Seveasit has KDE07:28
Alverhrm...07:28
djstthe problem is that my REAL sound card is not the default07:28
djstso sound events in gnome doesn't work07:28
AlverSeveas, thoreauputic: it's for a rather low-end machine. It can't handle gnome nor KDE.07:28
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djstbut i can configure xmnms so the sound works in that program07:28
tolstoyare the nvidia drivers still wonky?07:28
thoreauputicAlver: debian would be a better choice, probably07:28
reon_djst, join the club :(07:29
Alverthoreauputic: woody is obsolete and sarge doesn't come on cds :)07:29
SeveasAlver, then you really need the net to install a smaller WM07:29
thoreauputicAlver: although the wm would be an issue07:29
AlverDarn. Off to find another solution then. :/07:29
crimsundjst: there's a very easy solution to that.07:29
crimsundjst: describe which sound cards you have07:29
thoreauputicAlver: damn small linux (fluxbox) :)07:29
jesueldsl is nice07:30
Alvertolstoy: the drivers never were 'wonky', they just don't work on mx/tnt chipsets07:30
djstcrimsun:  it's an ac97 onboard sound card07:30
djstcrimsun:  i think i can figure out what module is using it07:30
Alverheh, that's an idea.07:30
crimsundjst: could you be more descriptive, possibly the line from lspci -v ?07:30
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reon_djst, http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=TroubleShooting07:30
djstcrimsun:  snd_intel8x007:30
djstcrimsun:  that's the name of the module07:30
crimsundjst: right, and your other?07:30
AlverWell, thanks for the info, people.07:30
thoreauputicAlver: or Vector Linux ( but that's Slack based)07:30
tolstoyAlver, I meant, with the today's hoary kernel, the associated restricted drivers are broken.07:31
firdelwhats with the "error reading from notification server" i get when signin on msn with GAIM07:31
thoreauputicAlver: Vector is a nice distro for low-end machines07:31
Seveasfirdel, msn is flaky at this moment...07:31
djstcrimsun:  i only have one sound card... it's an integrated sound card in the mother board, ac97 compatigble07:31
firdelshould i update gaim, or is it MS fidling with users not using their software....07:32
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crimsundjst: is your web cam a usb one?07:32
djstcrisum lspci doesn't give me any info about the sound card..07:32
huamihi!07:32
Alverthoreauputic: I'll keep that in mind, thanks for the hint07:32
djstcrimsun:  yes!07:32
chlundeIs there a way to prevent the hotplut stuff on the preview installer CD?07:32
crimsundjst: then no, you have 2 sound cards.07:32
Seveashi huami07:32
djstcrimsun:  ok, but windows is smart enough to choose the right one right away ;)07:33
djstcrimsun:  so how to i specify which card should be the default sound card?07:33
reon_djst,  enter  aplay -l07:33
huamiwhen I try to remove openoffice in synaptic it wants to remove also ubuntu-desktop. how to remove openoffice wihtout removing ubuntu-desktop ?07:33
reon_yes please how do you do that ?07:33
Seveashuami, you cannot07:33
thoreauputichuami: ubuntu-desktop is a dummy package07:34
Seveasbut removing ubuntu-desktop isn't bad07:34
Seveasit is merely a meta-package07:34
djst**** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices ****07:34
djstcard 1: ICH5 [Intel ICH5] , device 0: Intel ICH [Intel ICH5] 07:34
djst  Subdevices: 1/107:34
djst  Subdevice #0: subdevice #007:34
djstcard 1: ICH5 [Intel ICH5] , device 4: Intel ICH - IEC958 [Intel ICH5 - IEC958] 07:34
djst  Subdevices: 1/107:34
thoreauputichuami: losing it won't hurt07:34
crimsundjst: echo "options snd-usb-audio index=-2" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base07:34
djst  Subdevice #0: subdevice #007:34
Seveasnot a dummy package thoreauputic07:34
huamiSeveas: ok, thanks07:34
thoreauputicSeveas: *sigh* OK be pedantic if you wish07:34
crimsundjst: I presume this is on Hoary.07:34
djstyes07:35
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MaxeyPadHow do I enable 4 channel sound in linux?  I'm using ubuntu and only my 2 front speakers actually get output07:35
djstcrimsun:  what does that line do exactly?07:35
MaxeyPad/topic07:35
crimsunMaxeyPad: you need to tell your audio apps to use plug:surround4007:35
crimsundjst: it tells ALSA to prefer other cards over your usb web cam07:36
MaxeyPadwell, lets say i'm using beep, where would I change that07:36
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thoreauputicSeveas: I use the word "dummy" because most people understand it, whereas "meta" is not easily understood by non-geeks07:36
reon_crimsun, when I execute the command nothing happens, just hangs07:36
Seveasthoreauputic, but dummy is plain wrong!07:36
Seveasit is a package with very nice functionality07:36
Seveasdepending on all standard ubuntu stuff :)07:36
crimsunreon_: what command?07:36
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djstcrimsun:  thanks.. i added the line manually to the file.. how do i restart alsa without rebooting?07:37
thoreauputicSeveas: I think this is an argument about English usage, not operating systems07:37
reon_sudo tee...07:37
crimsunreon_: you need the entire command07:37
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Seveasthoreauputic, I don't but let's not fight over it, there are more important things :o)07:37
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djsttrying /etc/init.d/alsa restart...07:38
reon_crimsun, yes i did use the entire command07:38
crimsundjst: no07:38
crimsundjst: use force-reload07:38
reon_crimsun, may i dcc you ?07:38
crimsunreon_: it doesn't hang when you use the entire command07:38
thoreauputicSeveas: I merely insist that the use of "dummy" in this context is not "plain wrong" but idiomatic07:39
MaxeyPadso I gather regular OSS doesn't support 4.1?07:39
djstcrimsun:  that didn't solve the problem... USB is still at the top of thel list, the correct card being number 507:39
crimsunMaxeyPad: 4.1? use plug:surround4107:39
reon_crimsun, sorry i'm a idiot07:39
crimsundjst: you have to unload them all, then reload them07:39
Seveasthoreauputic, "dummy" packages are packages without functionality, like the java-common package. Meta packages have the functionality of keeping the list of recommended stuff up-to-date07:40
djstcrimsun:  i'll try rebooting then, don't know how to unload modules on the fly07:40
djstcrimsun:  thanks, brb07:40
Seveasso they really are different07:40
Seveasdjst07:40
jnkairox_, it was disabled. It doesn't show up in lspci but it does work07:40
Seveasdamn, too late07:40
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MaxeyPadcrimsun: I understand that, but where do I set it though07:41
thoreauputicSeveas: I understand the difference: we are often speaking to people who don't, and "dummy" in the sense of "not needed" is quite clear to them07:41
crimsunMaxeyPad: in b-m-p's preferences, configure the alsa output plugin to use the plug:surround41 device07:41
LinuxJonesMaxeyPad, I had 4.1 with a SB Live Value like 4 years ago07:41
MaxeyPadOkay, so I guess I need to use alsa...I'm using OSS right now07:41
crimsunMaxeyPad: in other words, type it in07:41
thoreauputicSeveas: but as you say, not worth an extended discussion :)07:41
Seveas:)07:42
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jcoventryhello07:42
Seveashai07:42
jcoventryhow do i log in as root in ubuntu07:42
LinuxJonesMaxeyPad, I was using the digital audio connection into my Cambridge speaker system07:42
Seveasyou dont07:42
airox_jcoventry, You can't.07:42
SeveasUbuntu uses sudo07:42
jcoventryok well,07:42
jcoventryhow can i change the usr folder ?07:42
jcoventrybecause it is owned by root07:42
Myrttisudo chmod07:43
Seveasyou CAN create a root account, but usally you don't need to07:43
airox_sudo passwd root ;)07:43
crimsunwait, why would you want to chown /usr ?07:43
Seveasjcoventry, use sudo in front of the actual command07:43
jcoventryk07:43
Seveasbut why change usr??07:43
Seveasand in what way??07:43
jcoventryto add some stuff for a theme07:43
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crimsunno, add them to your $HOME07:43
thoreauputicjcoventry: wrong approach...07:43
jcoventrythe Read me tells me to add them to usr07:44
Seveasthen use sudo07:44
jcoventryk07:44
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Seveasto get a root shell: type sudo -s07:44
chlundeCan I diable hwdetect and/or hotplug on the Hoary preview CD?07:44
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justaguywhy not just use root shell to begin with?07:44
Seveaschlunde, why would you want that?07:45
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hezehello07:45
Seveashello heze & Arnald07:45
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chlundeSeveas: Because the SATA-driver captures the resources used by my PATA CD-ROM, so I need to load ide-generic before I load ata-piix (the SATA driver)07:45
tolstoy-FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.10-4-686-smp/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko): Invalid module format07:46
hezetolstoy-, my problem exactly :D07:46
chlundeSeveas: When I remove ata-piix and load it again I get an oops, so I would like to try to *never* load it.07:46
tolstoy-heze, how can that happen?07:46
jcoventryok i'm at /usr in the root terminal now07:46
jcoventrynow what07:46
hezetolstoy-, i've no idea.07:46
tolstoy-heze, bad packaging, maybe07:46
hezetolstoy-, probably, i'm booting to 2.6.8 to check if it works there07:47
Seveaschlunde, is it a livecd or an installation?07:47
fortran01what is the dialup tool for gnome? equivalent of kppp?07:47
chlundeSeveas: Install07:47
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tolstoy-heze, the next down on my boot list is 2.6.10-3, and I know that works.07:47
Seveasthen blacklist the SATA driver07:47
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Seveasand let it be modprobed later07:47
chlundeSeveas: How?  It's under installation..07:47
hezetolstoy-, my 2.6.8 doesn't work either.07:48
chlundeSeveas: It's already loaded before I get a shell on alt-f207:48
jasonanyone one know where i can tell ubuntu to not load certain modules?07:48
Seveaschlunde, add it to /etc/hotplug/blacklist07:48
Seveasand reboot :)07:48
chlundeMake a new CD?07:48
Seveasno07:48
chlundeBah, I should've gotten a CD-RW.07:48
Seveasoww07:48
Seveaswait07:48
Seveasyou still need to install it...07:48
tolstoy-heze, I think that NONE of the kernel developers actually have an nvidia card.07:48
Seveasnow i get it :)07:48
chlunde;)07:48
airox_I love the ubuntu update manager (and applet) !!07:48
crimsunjason: see what Seveas said regarding /etc/hotplug/blacklist07:48
hezetolstoy-, any ideas? self compiled kernel with nvidia-installer? :)07:49
jasoncool thanks07:49
tritiumwow, mount doesn't recognize iso9660 anymore07:49
chlundeSeveas: I think I'll try a Woody CD, (Warty didn't work either)07:49
Seveaschlunde, file a bug report too07:49
tritiummount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom /media/cdrom0/07:49
tritiummount: unknown filesystem type 'iso9660'07:49
chlundeSeveas: Yes, I'll do that07:49
crimsuntritium: probably easier to use pmount07:49
Seveasthan they know about the bug and they can solve it07:49
tolstoy-heze, check out the ubuntuforums.com (or .org).  They've given up and suggest installing the drivers "by hand" from the nvidia download.07:49
kaouetewhen will 2.6.11 included in hoary ?07:49
crimsuntritium: pmount /dev/cdrom something07:49
Seveaskaouete, no07:49
tritiumcrimsun, I'll try...07:50
tolstoy-heze, the other thing to do is file a bug report for ubuntu.07:50
tritiumthanks07:50
kaoueteSeveas: no like never ?07:50
crimsunkaouete: it's in universe, but hoary will ship with 2.6.10 by default.07:50
Seveasindeed07:50
kaoueteok07:50
Seveas2.6.11 is not a stable version07:50
hezetolstoy-, mm yeah, i'm too lazy for bug reports =( my 2nd day with ubuntu anyways.07:50
tritiumcrimsun, same result07:50
hezeshould've not gone hoary :P07:50
Seveasheze, if you have never used linux: go warty07:51
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crimsuntritium: which kernel are you running?07:51
tolstoy-heze, but it mostly works most of the time.  pretty much only has a prob with a kernel update, it seems.07:51
Seveashoary is for daring souls :)07:51
hezeseveas, i've used it quite a lot w/o graphical environment07:51
crimsuntritium: (according to the date from uname -a)07:51
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abraham_ja07:51
abraham_Hola07:51
abraham_como estan07:51
abraham_=)07:51
tritiumcrimsun, Linux tritium 2.6.10-4-686 #1 Thu Mar 10 03:16:32 GMT 2005 i686 GNU/Linux07:51
justaguyupgraded yesterday, everything seems ok07:51
crimsuntritium: 25.2, then?07:52
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tritiumcrimsun, let me check07:52
hezetolstoy-, i've a riva128 on pci slot too, could it confuse something?07:52
Seveaskaouete, kernels with odd numbers like 2.6.11 or 2.6.13 are unstable07:52
Seveasthe even numbered ones are stable07:52
hezeseveas, since when?07:52
hezedid they change numbering :o07:52
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tolstoy-heze, don't know. if it worked before today's update, I'd say no, and I don't have that setup and get the same prob.07:52
crimsunheze: the binary-only nvidia kernel does not work with the riva128 chipsets07:52
kaoueteho, is it like that even for the third number ? i have never though about it ^^07:52
crimsunSeveas: you mean the kernel major version.07:53
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Seveas(or my memory is flaky, haven't done a lot of kernel stuff lately..)07:53
hezecrimsun, i'm trying to get X running on TI-420007:53
tolstoy-crimsun, that's not what he meant, I don't think.07:53
kaouete^^07:53
crimsunSeveas: 2.3, 2.5, ... are devel07:53
Seveasah ok07:53
Seveassorry :)07:53
kaouetei dont think it's the case for the third one ^^07:53
tritiumcrimsun, 2.6.10-25 something.  I can't tell for sure since there was an update installed today that I haven't rebooted with07:53
tritiumthe update is 2.6.10-2607:54
tritiumbut I'm not running that yet07:54
firdelis it possible to make xine chew on .wmv files ?07:54
kaoueteand why there is no gpm nor apt-file, auto-apt package in ubuntu ? do i have to use universe for that ?07:54
tritiumfirdel, yes.07:54
firdeloh thank god07:54
firdeltritium, enligthen me :)07:54
crimsunkaouete: yes07:54
justaguyuname -a gives current running kernel version, right?07:54
crimsunjustaguy: yes07:55
kaoueteok07:55
Seveaskaouete, at least apt-file is in universe07:55
Seveasdunno about the rest07:55
kaoueteok07:55
tritiumfirdel, you need to install w32codecs07:55
tritiumcrimsun, brb -- phone call07:55
kaoueteand universe is well integrated with ubuntu packages ?07:55
justaguy'cause I just updated recently, installed / upgraded after updating to hoary from warty yesterday07:55
reon_crimsun, how do i determine what audio module i'm using ?07:55
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crimsunkaouete: degree varies07:55
firdeltritium, ill look into it right away07:55
justaguykernel update today07:55
kaoueteok07:55
Seveaskaouete, usually yes07:55
kaouetethanks for your help :)07:55
crimsunreon_: cat /proc/asound/modules07:55
Seveasand auto-apt and gpm also are in universe according to my cache :)07:56
jasonthanks guys for the blacklist thing, my box is running slick now :)07:56
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justaguyuname -a has me at ubuntu 2.6.10-4-686, is that right?07:56
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reon_crimsun, thnks ! Why would the mod be snd_intel8x0 if I have a nvidia chipset mb ?07:56
crimsunjustaguy: yes, but the packaging revision is more of concern07:56
crimsunreon_: because the sound driver uses the ac97 portion, which the snd-intel8x0 driver provides along with snd-ac97-codec07:57
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justaguyoh yea, thanks crimsun07:57
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sanitarioHas anyone been having troubles with k3b when trying to write audio cds, or is it just me?07:57
bryani use gnomebaker07:58
Coilycan someone give me an idea as to why firefox has started opening under the process name "sh" and taking up 200mb of memory07:58
djstcrimsun:  thanks, the problem's solved!07:58
bryanworks like a charm07:58
reon_crimsun, thnks ! Whis I ran in to you earlier :)07:58
crimsundjst: np07:58
SeveasCoily, not really07:58
thoreauputicsanitario: it's just you (joking)07:58
tolstoy-justaguy, new kernel has "invalid" nvidia modules (well, the restricted package).07:58
Seveasbut does firefox still do something, or does it just hang07:58
djstcrimsun:  one question though: the system seems to prefer OSS mixers instead of ASLA07:58
sanitarioit tells me: "Error while decoding audio tracks"07:58
crimsunCoily: "has started?" It always has. firefox is a shell script.07:58
firdeltritium, perhaps you know a way to make beep-media-player suck on .m4a audio files. i have several albums in that encoding :l07:58
djstcrimsun:  is that something to be concerned with or is it irrelevant?07:59
Coilycrimsun, yes but ive seen it under the name firefox-bin07:59
Coilyuntil recently07:59
crimsundjst: it's fairly irrelevant. Are you speaking of GNOME's Volume Control?07:59
crimsunCoily: that's the actual executable07:59
tritiumcrimsun, I'm back07:59
tritiumfirdel, no, I don't use beep, actually, sorry08:00
Coilycrimsun, why would the name change when ive been using the same shortcut08:00
hezetolstoy-, actually with 2.6.8.1 the module is loaded but i get (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module!08:00
crimsunCoily: the name hasn't changed...08:00
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Coilywell the name system monitor gives it08:00
djstcrimsun:  yes08:00
jesuelwhoa. my favorite isp is going to be reselling verizon fios!08:01
crimsundjst: change the selection to ALSA then, and it will remember08:01
tolstoy-heze, did you try modprobe nvidia08:01
jesuelwhoot!08:01
djstcrimsun:  oh, and now that the usb webcam is no longer the default sound card, it seems xmms has problems using it anyway.. but i can always fix that program.... i'm more worried about the (potentially) other programs08:01
crimsunCoily: and ps auxww|grep firefox|grep -v grep  only returns that?08:01
crimsundjst: audio programs should use "default"08:02
hezetolstoy-, yeah it wasn't loaded, now it was loaded with modprobe and it says API mismatch: nvidia ver 1.0.6111 but x module ver 1.0.662908:02
sanitarioI'll give this gnomebaker a try then08:02
tritiumcrimsun, are you aware of any kernel issues that might be causing this?  I should try the new kernel when I can reboot...08:02
Coilycrimsun, checking08:02
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crimsuntritium: I don't know offhand, but I'm still using 25.108:02
tritiumcrimsun, okay, thanks.08:02
djstcrimsun:  yes.. that's what i thought too, but xmms doesn't want to use default.. it complains about stuff08:02
crimsundjst: "stuff?"08:03
djstcrimsun:  wait, i'll need to read the error msg again :)08:03
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Coilycrimsun, no the process name is firefox-bin as it should be08:04
djstcrimsun:  Please check that: Your sound card is configured properly......etc08:04
hezetolstoy-, i'll go for manual install of 1.0.7167 from nvidia.com and wish i don't do anthin irreversable :)08:04
crimsunCoily: ...so what seems to be the problem?08:04
djstcrimsun:  in xmms08:04
jasonI wish ubuntu would replace orinoco with hostap modules08:04
crimsundjst: tell xmms to use esd output08:04
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djstcrimsun:  that worked better... why?08:05
crimsundjst: because your onboard doesn't support in-hardware pcm multiplexing08:05
Coilyits not a big deal, i just wanted to make sure it had nothing to do with the fx crashes ive experienced in linux08:05
djstcrimsun:  so now it's using an external mixer?08:05
Coilycrimsun, thanks for the help08:05
crimsundjst: a software-based multiplexer, yes08:06
crimsunCoily: np08:06
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djstcrimsun:  thanks for your indepth help and information. you should be hired as support staff08:06
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djstcrimsun:  but isn't it possible to use mixing with alsa too? i remember editing a file called (something like) /etc/amixer in gentoo, which all of a sudden enabled software multiplexing for all apps08:07
reoncrimsun, thanks my USB headset is now my default device !!08:07
djstcrimsun:  /etc/asound.conf was the name of the file08:08
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djstpcm.!default {08:09
djsttype plug08:09
djstslave.pcm "swmixer"08:09
djst}08:09
djstpcm.swmixer {08:09
djsttype dmix08:09
djstipc_key 123408:09
djstslave {08:09
djstpcm "hw:0,0"08:09
djstperiod_time 008:09
djstperiod_size 102408:09
crimsundjst: dmix, yes. /etc/asound.conf or ~/.asoundrc08:09
djstbuffer_size 409608:09
djstrate 4410008:09
bryanno need for the spam dude08:09
djst}08:09
crimsundjst: please don't paste in here, thanks.08:09
djst}08:09
djstsorry08:09
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djstcrimsun:  but that's basically the same thing as choosing the esd output?08:10
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crimsundjst: it's lower-level than esd08:10
crimsundjst: thus, lower-latency08:10
djstcrimsun:  ok.. which is why it works for all apps without config?08:10
djstcrimsun:  what exactly does lower-latency mean? is it good or bad?08:11
crimsundjst: for all alsa-routed apps, yes08:11
crimsundjst: lower latency is good08:11
djstcrimsun:  great, i'll use that method instead then.. thanks again!08:11
bryandid you guys know you can just change a *.img file to a iso and it'll burn?08:11
djstand sorry for spamming :(08:11
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thoreauputicbryan: yes :)08:12
thoreauputicbryan: still useful info for those who didn't :)08:13
bryanin windows i can burn a dvd in 8 minutes flat08:13
firdelis it possible to install (application/x-mplayer2) plugin, so i can watch movs with firefox ?08:14
bryanin linux it takes about 20 minutes08:14
bryanwhy!08:14
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crimsunbryan: DMA is not enabled by default08:15
crimsunfirdel: yes, search the wiki for "mplayer plugin"08:15
bryanhow do i enable it?08:15
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zenroxcrimsun,  big update today??08:17
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zenroxheheheheh08:17
thoreauputicbryan: hdparm can be used to enable dma08:17
bryanwell that goes right over my head08:17
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poScahey... i've seem to have messed up apt-get.. -f install / similar dosent fix anything.. any good ideas ?? ;)08:18
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bryansee, these are the little things that will keep people from linux08:18
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crimsunbryan: what is your dvd drive? (i.e. what device)08:18
thoreauputicbryan:  sudo hdparm -d 1 /dev/hdc  (or whatever the drive is)08:18
tritiumbryan, it'll be enabled by default in the future08:18
bryanit's primary device on second ide chain08:19
bryanso should be hdc, right?08:19
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zenroxbryan,  yep08:19
thoreauputicright08:19
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tritiumin fact, if you make hdparm start later in the boot sequence, you can configure it to enable dma on your cdrom by default now08:19
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mdkehands up if you know how to insert an icon into a wiki with MoinMoin08:20
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mdkegoddammit08:20
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mdkeeveryone is sitting on their hands08:20
mdkeIT CAN'T BE DONE!!! /me wails08:20
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bryanwhat's moinmoin?08:20
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mdkezenrox, make my day08:21
zenroxmdke,  i dont know how08:21
mdkebryan, the wiki markup language08:21
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zenroxlol08:21
mdkebah08:21
jesuel*cackle*08:21
zenroxlol08:21
tOpi^hmm , what is default root password?08:22
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bryandefault is scrambled/random i think08:22
mdketOpi^, you can use sudo and your own password08:22
bryansudo passwd root08:22
thoreauputictOpi^: there isn't one08:22
ubuseerI have a laptop with a synaptics touchpad with a scroll wheel, does anyone know how to enable the scroll wheel so I don't have to use the right portion of the pad to scroll up and down?08:22
jesueluhg, i hate the synaptics touchpad yuck yuck08:23
jesuelYUCK08:23
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bryanthere's actually entries in the xorg config for it08:23
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xy77Hi folks.08:24
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bryanhi xy7708:25
xy77Yesterday, I installed Ubuntu-Linux on my Dell Inspiron 4000. It went mostly fine, but when I logged in, the mouse was spinning around once in a while. This is quite nasty, what can I do about it?08:25
FASTanyone notice firefox closing out after clicking on a link?   this happens seldomly, but it still happens! wtf!08:26
DarthFrogxy77: Get a cat? :-)08:26
zenroxxy77, is it a wireless mouse08:26
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bryani've got a wireless/bluetooth mouse and it worked without a hitch08:26
zenroxFAST,  blaim firefox08:26
bryani was happy about that08:26
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thoreauputicDarthFrog: cat is installed by default ;-)08:26
jintxobryan, me too :-)08:26
DarthFrogthoreauputic: Oh right. :-)08:27
chimaerahi08:27
xy77zenrox: no, it's a wired logitec wheelmouse08:27
bryanjintxo:  mx900?08:27
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julohi08:27
jesuelmx510 here ;p08:27
zenroxxy77,  just checken casue low batts in a wireless mouse will do tht08:27
thoreauputicDarthFrog:  cat mouse > /dev/null :)08:27
jintxobryan, no, it's some sort of weird supratech something-or-other....08:27
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xy77zenrox: I see. Might it have something to do with the xorg.conf?08:28
juloWith an up-to-date hoary, do you still need to append resume=/dev/hda2 to the kernel options for suspend to work correctly ?08:28
xy77Currently I run Gentoo (I am about to switch to ubuntu), and on Gentoo, the mouse works all right.08:28
zenroxxy77,  paste yuor xorg.conf to www.pastebin.com08:28
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zenroxxy77, for ubuntu08:28
xy77zenrox: I will, as soon as dd has finished. Inbetween, I installed Xandros, which seems to be quite nice for people comeing from Windows and I backupped ubuntu in a file...08:29
chimaerai'm trying to install hoary preview on a sata-system and my pata cdrom is not detected. seems like the i/o ports are in use for the sata-driver has been loaded before ide. any workarounds?08:29
spiralhi08:29
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tOpi^why my apt-get not work :/08:30
chimaeraiirc this is a common problem..08:30
xy77meanwhile, another question: Is someone using xfce4 with ubuntu?08:31
zenroxxy77, you can get the installed from there page and install it away08:32
zenroxinstalled=installer08:32
Fator_Deehow can I make an iso image from cd?08:32
thoreauputictOpi^: what do you mean by "not work" ?08:32
ubuseerbryan: I see the entry for synaptics and for a ps2 mouse,08:32
xy77Fator_Dee: use your burn program and tell it to write a copied CD to harddisk. Or you might use dd08:33
selinium_You still here thoreauputic! The Ubuntu world must be a safer place :P08:33
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thoreauputicselinium_: only because IRC doesn't make homicide possible ;-)08:33
selinium_thoreauputic: ROFL08:34
Fator_Deexy77: maybe I should have specified that I'd like to know how to use the dd command :-|08:34
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farruinnFator_Dee: the first places to look are man dd and a search engine08:35
farruinnoften simply [command]  --help give you enough to be dangerous08:35
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Fator_Deefarruinn: I know where to look help, but I thought I'd hae a fast answer from here, vause I'm in a bit of a hurry08:36
thoreauputicdd can be dangerous for such an innocuous looking command...08:36
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LevanderI can't eject my CD-ROM drive, even if I push the button to open the drive!  Anybody gotta quick work around??08:37
darksatanicUnmount the disk first.08:37
thoreauputicLevander: a chisel and hammer?08:37
xy77Fator_Dee see "man dd"; generally it should be: dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/home/user/my_cdrom_image.iso    but don't blame me if it doesn't work, but that's how I thought iso images worked :-)08:38
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Levanderit's not mounted08:38
DarthFrogLevander:  Are you in the CD directory?   Is any o f your running programs using the CD?08:39
DarthFrogLevander:  As root, you could use the "eject" command.08:39
Levanderdon't think so, this problem has been for awhile, across reboots, really don't think i'm in that directory08:39
Levandereject says unable to open /dev/hdd08:40
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DarthFrogLevander: Then something is using the drive.08:40
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Levanderis there any command, like lsof I can run to find out which process?08:40
Levanderlsof | grep something?08:40
Levanderyou know, i'm running a batch process, but I don't even think the eject button on the CD drive itself works while the system is booting08:41
Levanderi'll have to check after i finish the batch process I'm running08:41
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thoreauputicLevander: maybe lsof | grep /media/cdrom0 ? (or whatever the default mount point is)08:42
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chlundeLevander: fuser /dev/cdrom or something like that, perhaps08:42
xy77Levander: try to use the manual eject, pick the little hole at the front of your drive.08:42
chlundexy77: Not while there's something using the drive...08:43
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Levanderi've tried the eject button on the drive if that's what u mean08:43
xy77chlunde: Right, only if it doesn't open on boot, it might help.08:43
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Levanderu know, i've never manually done anything to set the drive up under ubuntu.  Do you have to do something like that for a default Ubuntu install of warty?08:44
LevanderHaven't used the drive since I installed Warty08:44
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Levanderto install Warty though I burned a CD with it, and ran the install from a CD08:44
chlundeAh, you have a SATA harddisk?08:44
thoreauputicLevander: it should "just work"08:44
MrKeunerhi, I edit the resolv.conf and add some more DNS servers. However, whenever I reboot DNS servers got lost. Is there another config file for this?08:44
chlundeThere's a problem with SATA disks + PATA CD-ROMs.08:44
zenroxi just did the update and ooO fails08:44
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LevanderIt's not a parallel port Cd drive08:45
xy77Levander: you said it wouldn't open on boot. So if you have shut down your system, use a needle and stick it into the little hole you see, when you take a close look at your drive's blind.08:45
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zenroxdpkg: error processing openoffice.org-gtk-gnome (--configure):08:45
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zenroxi did that and still dont work08:45
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chlundeNot parallel port, but those normal IDE cables (40/80 pins) are PATA, those thin, new ones are SATA.08:45
LevanderMrKeuner, the Computer->System Configuration->Networking dialog contains settings that overwrite /etc/hosts and /etc/resolv.conf on booting08:46
zenroxcan some one help me fix the latest ooO update08:46
Levanderchlunde: that's probably the problem, it's a dual Pentium III 550 computer, an older motherboard08:46
hezeguys, how do i find out the refresh rates of a monitor?08:46
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Levanderxy77: looking for that hole u mention08:47
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thoreauputicLevander: interesting. I hate apps that overwrite config files... :(08:47
MrKeunerLevander/ I used that, and it also edited the resolv.conf which is deleted on reboot.08:47
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LevanderMrKeuner: that's where I had to change the settings so that my custom settings didn't get overwritten on reboot08:48
MrKeunerdo you use dhcp?08:48
Levanderxy77: I've got three little holes on the front of my drive, any idea which one?08:48
MrKeuneror static?08:48
chlundeLevander: No, those computers didn't have SATA.08:49
LevanderMrKeuner: dhcp08:49
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Levanderchlunde: yeah, now I know what you mean by SATA, yeah, my Pentium 4 has 1st generation SATA, so that's not my problem08:49
bryanyou've got 3 of those holes?08:49
bryanthe one on my dvdrw is in the middle directly under the loading tray08:50
Levanderbryan: yeah, three little indentations that look like holes that i can get my fingernail in a little08:50
xy77Levander: sorry, I don't know.08:50
bryanthey should only be the size of a pinhead08:50
Levanderthere are two that straddle the middle, one over to the right by the eject button08:50
Levanderbryan: all three are the size of a pinhead08:51
chlundeAnyway, do you have a CD you need to get out of the drive?  (Sorry for jumping into the middle of the discussion)08:51
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chlundeIf not I don't see the point of manually ejecting it.08:51
xy77Levander: I'd try the one next to the eject button, but I guarantee for nothing.08:51
Levanderchlunde: yeah, i think so, i need to return it today to!08:51
bryanthe one on my cdrw is next to the eject button08:51
Levanderbryan, that's the one i'll try first08:52
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Levanderbatch process is done, I'm gonna shutdown to try it now08:52
chlundeAh, then I understand why you're doing it, sorry :)08:52
Levanderdo I try it while it's shut down?08:52
bryanhrmm i thought it had to be powered on08:52
Levanderbryan, oh, so I can just try it now, while the computer is running?08:52
chlundebryan: Nope, I've always done it with the power off.08:52
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Levanderi'll go find a pin, and try it first while it's running, if doesn't work, i'll try it powered down08:53
Levandergotta go find a pin, i'll be back08:53
Levandergot one!08:53
bryanthat was quick08:53
chlundeIt's all mechanical, so it will probably work no matter what.08:53
bryanit'd take me days to find one08:53
Levanderthe two in the middle are status lights08:54
Levanderit's the one by the eject button08:54
Levanderbut, it didn't work with power up08:54
xy77Levander: thought something like that. good that you know now.08:54
Levandergotta power down08:54
chlundeYou need something like 3 cm (I usually use a paperclip).08:54
Levandermuch thanks for the help guys!08:55
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elcucohi, i am not getting audio on ubuntu. any ideas what to do?08:55
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elTigrehi08:55
xy77I didn't have to power down, it worked at once.08:55
elcucothe modules for my sound card are loaded08:55
elcucoand /dev/dsp exist08:55
elTigreI try to get my webcam working08:55
bryanhope he's not trying to use a pushpin :D08:55
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elTigrebut when modprobing the kernel module, I get an error like WARNING: Error inserting videodev (/lib/modules/2.6.10-4-386/kernel/drivers/media/video/videodev.ko): Operation not permitted08:56
bryandid you sudo it?08:56
xy77getting a partition into a file was much faster than putting it back on disk.08:56
elTigreoh yes... sure08:56
elTigresorry08:56
elTigre^ ^08:56
elTigrenow it's the wrong module format -.-08:57
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ideafixHoah08:57
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elTigreI wonder why...08:57
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xy77anyone knows of a really good filemanager? (not one that is cool or freaky)08:58
kaoueteSomeone has problem to get X work with i830 video card on an ubuntu hoary ? just when gdm starts, screen goes blank and i lost it. i can see in xorg.0.log something like a segfault . . .. . (i can reboot using power button and acpid)08:58
bryanwhat classifies as 'cool or freaky'?08:58
IRCMonkeygot my amd64 back today08:58
IRCMonkeyi must say the daily live cd is realy good08:58
bryani got pizza today08:59
bryan:D08:59
xy77bryan: a 3d file manager or one where you can shoot the files :)08:59
bryan...08:59
GammaRayxy77: I like rox and mc08:59
ideafix##ubuntu09:00
xy77GammaRay: I have to scan through thousands of files of different types, checking the content and deleting them or sorting them.09:00
Aapzakxy77, I like rox too09:01
GammaRaywell mc is really good for kb navigation09:01
kotatsuis there any way to keep X from tearing?09:01
kotatsuI thought the double buffer extension was supposed to do that09:01
lunitikkotatsu: tearing?09:01
kotatsulike when you move a window09:01
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selinium_HI all, has anyone managed to connect to a palm device herE?09:01
zenroxi just install the kernel 2.6.10-26 and the nvidia driver is broke agine09:02
lunitikkotatsu: ime Qt apps don't tend to do that... only GTK ones.09:02
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xy77Aapzak, GammaRay: you think Rox is suited for my need?09:02
zenroxtried to modprobe it and it give me the module is in invalaid format09:02
lunitikkotatsu: I guess you learn to live with it though... most people don't even notice it or something  :/09:02
kotatsuit's pretty apparent, and I don't see how KDE apps could avoid it09:02
GammaRayxy77: both rox and mc have file type dependent scripts that show up in a menu09:02
zenroxso some one know how to fix that09:03
kotatsuI can't play games without vsync on >_<09:03
Aapzakxy77, dunno09:03
felis_did anyone experience nvidia-settings segfaults under hoary?09:03
lunitikzenrox: what did you write?09:03
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Aapzakrox is just a lovely filemanager, dunno about scripting in it09:03
xy77hey, finally dd finished :-) I'll paste the xorg.conf, zenrox09:03
lunitikzenrox: 'modprobe what'?09:03
GammaRayboth have filters to alter what is selected.. so you could do *\.jpg to select jpegs09:03
zenroxlunitik: sudo modprobe nvidia09:03
zenroxlunitik:  and it gave me invalad module format09:04
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zenroxlunitik:  with the 2.6.10-26 kernel09:04
GammaRayxy77: however mc has a too called external panelize which parses the output of any cmd and creates a virtual list of files that works just w/ all the normal file manager functions.. that could be useful for sorting09:05
GammaRayxy77: bottom line.. try 'em09:05
GammaRays/too/tool09:05
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lunitikzenrox: umm... you reinstall the nvidia drivers for that kernel?09:06
punkrockguy318I just upgraded my machine from warty -> hoary via a dist-upgrade, and now I have the default ugly black X11 cursor theme.  How can I reinstall the ubuntu X Cursor theme?09:06
zenroxlunitik:  i did a update09:06
lunitikzenrox: I thought that one came down yesturday?09:06
zenroxi dint get it till today09:06
lunitikzenrox: ok... then you need to reinstall nvidia drivers for new kernel!09:06
zenroxok09:06
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zenroxlunitik:  ull ready upto date09:07
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zenroxull=all09:07
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zenroxlunitik:  any thang different09:07
zenroxlunitik: i can try09:07
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douglashi all09:08
preglowam i the only one with a nonfunctioning libboost-dev? when i try to install it, it claims libbost-DOC replaces it, however, this is clearly false09:08
hezeheya09:08
topyliupgraded to hoary at work today. the new artwork is pretty cool!09:08
douglasi did a hoary upgrade today and when im starting xorg is is giving me a error09:09
douglasany ideias ?09:09
kotatsuprobably your keyboard settings09:09
hezedouglas, nvidia card?09:09
kotatsuchange the driver09:09
douglasnope sis09:09
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LevanderHey thanks, guys, the pin in that hole didn't open the drive itself, but now when I press the eject button on the CDROM, the drive does open!09:10
LevanderMust have been some kinda hardware thing and notta Ubuntu software thing??09:10
douglasit appear that xorg is not finding the drivers09:10
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douglasi installed only x-window-system-core09:10
douglasdoes it matter ?09:11
Levanderha! eject /dev/hdd works to!09:11
zenroxlunitik:  nvidia-glx is all ready upto date09:11
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Levanderyou guys think that by default Ubuntu Warty install, cd burning will work with that drive also?09:11
preglowwell, ok, i need libboost-dev, will warty vomit very much if i install the debian package?09:11
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topylipreglow: if it installs, it may work :)09:12
Aapzakany great developers here? GUI apps?09:12
Mitariohi guys09:12
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xy77zenrox: did you have a look at the xorg.conf I posted?09:13
Mitariocan anyone come up with a cause why the theme thumbnails in the theme switcher aren't generated?09:13
zenroxxy77:  i cant09:13
zenroxxy77:  i am in the cli trying to get my vid card worken09:13
Levanderpreglow: U sure libboost isn't in universe?  http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/hoary/libdevel/libboost-dev says it is09:13
preglowLevander: i use warty09:14
Levanderpreglow: ah, u right, that page does say hoary09:14
Fuzzhello, in the install with minimal settings can i use XFCE instead of ICEwm09:14
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tOpi^what key is in aptitude "install"09:14
Fuzz?09:14
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preglowLevander: but hell, if it's got libboost-doc, it should have the libboost-dev...09:14
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exelsiushola09:15
preglowbut i can't find it, even though libboost-doc depends on it09:15
Aapzak+gtk?ok , just some advice asked, you don't have to be a brilliant programmer :)       I want to create some GUI apps. What do you like most: java, c, gtk, perl+gtk, ruby09:15
Fuzzhola09:15
exelsiusdo you speak spanish09:15
exelsiusFuzz09:15
exelsiushello09:15
exelsiusFuzz09:15
Fuzzsi senor, un menor09:15
Fuzzun poco09:15
exelsiuswhere are you from09:15
FuzzUSA09:15
exelsiusok09:15
exelsiusjeje09:15
exelsiusyo soy de chile09:15
FuzzSi, es bien en Chile ahora?09:15
GammaRayAapzak: missing mono+gtk09:15
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Aapzakis that allright?09:16
exelsiussi09:16
exelsiusen santiago de chile09:16
Aapzakmono+gtk2?09:16
exelsiusen que parte de USA=?09:16
GammaRayAapzak: not that I'm recommending it or anything09:16
Aapzak:)09:16
FuzzOh, es muy frio en Nuevo England ahora09:16
exelsiusahhh09:16
exelsiusok aqui llueve09:16
FuzzMe espanol es nota bien09:16
Aapzakexelsius, tu ablas espanol muy bien, pero nos otros no ablan espanol :)09:17
elTigrees muy frio en todas las partes de la terra09:17
exelsiusok Aapzak09:17
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bryananyone else have a samgsung syncmaster 753DF monitor???09:17
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NixerXFriggin Hoary rules!09:17
Aapzakhoary es la bomba!09:17
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exelsius;jaja09:17
exelsiusAapzak09:18
NixerXbryan, CRT lcd?09:18
Aapzakexelsius,09:18
bryanCRT09:18
NixerXsize?09:18
exelsius#debian-dpl-discuss09:18
bryan1709:18
NixerXNo x? or crummy refresh?09:18
exelsiusin english or spanish ? discuss09:18
bruno__Can anyone help me install my Conexant Hsf Pci modem?09:18
bryancrummy refresh09:18
bryanin windows i can get  1280x1024@75hz09:19
NixerXbryan, have you tweaked your x?09:19
bryanyeah09:19
bryani ran fglrxconfig09:19
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bryanbut i can't get out of 60hz09:19
exelsiusalgun canal en espaol09:19
jazzkaI execute: sudo aptitude reinstall .... " and it answers: Couldn't lock list directory ... are you root?09:19
jazzkaplease help!09:19
NixerX        HorizSync       35-9009:20
NixerX        VertRefresh     43-16009:20
NixerXthats for my 1024x768@8509:20
bryan1024 is too small09:20
bryani'm in 1280x1024 right now, but @ 60hz09:20
NixerXwhat are your Horiz and VertRefs?09:20
exelsius#debian-es09:21
exelsiusits cool09:21
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exelsius;)09:21
Aapzakexelsius, I really can't speak spanish09:21
exelsiusok09:21
exelsiussorry09:21
exelsiusbye09:21
Aapzakno prob09:21
Aapzakbye09:21
bryan    HorizSync   30 - 7009:21
bryan    VertRefresh 50 - 16009:21
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NixerXbryan, ok lemmie google for the proper specs.09:23
NixerX2 sec's09:23
nathans_hello, i'm a new ubuntu user with some questions about wxPython... I'm also an IRC newbie :-)09:23
GNAMtell me four/five good text editor for programmers...09:24
bryanGNAM:  text/gui based?09:24
GNAMgui based09:24
preglowok, what do i need to do to upgrade to hoary? just change all repos in sources.list and update upgrade?09:24
NixerXbryan your specs are perfect.09:24
hezegnam, eclipse is nice for java09:24
bryani know, i took them straight from the manual09:25
GNAMi'm interested in c/fortran09:25
GNAMsurely i'll try eclipse09:25
NixerXI dont understand how you can exceed that in windows.09:25
CiRuSGNAM jedit is prettz good09:25
NixerXIm not sure how "flexible" these settings are.09:25
hezenixerx, one can always use unspeced rates09:25
CiRuSits for java but has goot c plugins09:25
hezeeclipse prolly has c plug too09:26
NixerXheze, Yea. But I dont wanna burn his monitor. :)09:26
hezenixerx, burn mine. can't google rates =(09:26
hezemitsubishi 1569i :/09:26
NixerXlol.09:27
bryangod, i didn't even know mitsu made monitors09:27
hezereally :(09:27
bryani think the japs have to try their hand at everything09:27
hezetry google://1569i09:27
bryanheze:  no manual came with it?09:27
hezenope09:27
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wolkihi!09:28
hezeheya09:28
NixerXhello.09:28
bryanthat's one reason i always buy retail09:28
hezei virtually paid nothing for that09:28
hezeand it works on windows like a dream09:28
wolkii'm having trouble with hoary. am i in the right channel?09:28
hezecan i get the rates on windows somehow?09:28
bryanwolki:  sure are09:28
hezea bit off topic Q but :P09:29
scizzoanyone that has managed to compile Wired in hoary?09:29
NixerXscizzo, the audio recording software?09:29
wolkik, my warty was working fine... i tried to dist-upgrade and now my nvidia card doesn't work anymore.09:29
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poScahelp ;)09:30
NixerXwolki, different kernels.09:30
scizzoNixerX: yes09:30
Hymiehttp://img163.exs.cx/img163/4326/gut3wj.jpg09:30
NixerXscizzo, Damn I wish someone would...looks really nice!09:30
scizzoNixerX: trying it now09:30
wolkiNixerX: that's what i thought... is there a way to get the right module?09:30
NixerXI could ditch SF and Sonar!09:30
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NixerXwolki, do you get any X all?09:31
wolkiNixerX: no09:31
AapzakGammaRay, well, I installed mono + monodevelop, does not work :)09:32
bryanalright, i'm gonna go try to not fry my monitor, but probably will anyways09:32
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NixerXwolki, also warty uses XFree and horay uses Xorg09:32
nathans_i'm trying to install wxpython... the wxpython wiki says to install wxpython2.5.3 from universe but there's no such pkg...09:32
thenukeI cant find limewire for ubuntu09:32
NixerXare you pretty good with editing files by hand?09:32
nathans_anybody know if it's listed under a diff name?09:32
thenukemorphx: who? me?09:33
wolkiNixerX: i know... i'm trying to run xorg. at first it tried to load xfree, but i managed to enable xorg09:33
NixerXyou can run X --configure from te command line and tweak it a little then move it into /etc/X11 dir.09:34
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NixerXThats how I do it when i screw up my X config09:34
NixerX:)09:34
wolkiNixerX: well, the config should be ok i think, but i'll try that09:35
NixerXwolki, good luck09:36
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NixerXscizzo, have you tried to build wired?09:36
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hezewolki, the driver is broken09:36
preglowok, what do i need to do to upgrade to hoary? just change all repos in sources.list and update upgrade? <-09:36
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hezewolki, for me atleast :)09:37
scizzoNixerX: trying now09:37
scizzoNixerX: trying to find some answers also09:37
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NixerXyou build packages before?09:37
edgeI can't play a movie with totem, it says, failed to open:reason unkown09:38
scizzoNixerX: not .deb packages09:38
GammaRayAapzak: oh dear.. maybe someone should tell novell about that09:38
wolkiheze: hm :-/ maybe vesa mode will work09:38
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hezewolki, try "nv" driver instead09:38
NixerXwolki, It must be throwing an error.09:38
GammaRayman will there face be red!09:38
GammaRays/there/their09:39
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dabihi, how do i mount my ntfs drives on ubuntu?09:39
edgedabi, first download the NTFS patch with synaptic09:39
akrabatello all. I have a wireless networking issue. All is fine until the screen saver kicks in. When it returns from screen saver, I have no signal and can't work out how to get a connection back without rebooting. any ideas on what's going on?09:39
edgeafter that you should change your fstab, i wil look up for you what axactly09:40
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dabii have the preview ver. do i need it here too?09:41
bryanwhew09:41
bryangood thing my monitor does 'range out of sync'09:41
GammaRayit's always fun when they don't09:42
edgethan look up http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions/view?searchterm=ntfs,  read that and it wil be fixt09:42
AapzakGammaRay, I'm allright :)09:42
edgeI geus de the preview version wil work the same,09:43
edgeyust look up, with find -> ntfs09:43
NixerXscizzo, There are some nice tools for whipping up debian packages. I ve only done it a few times.09:43
dabik09:43
wolkiheze: thanks, i got xorg to start with nv drivers... not an optimal solution, but i guess it'll work next month :)09:43
edgeor search, i have dutch language so I don't know acatly what it wil be,09:43
dabiafter installing it does it mount it autom.?09:43
edgeNop,09:44
bryangotta add a line to /etc/fstab09:44
dabimount (dev) (path)?09:44
dabiok09:44
edgeYou should ad /dev/hda1                    /mnt/win2k              ntfs            ro,auto,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0 in your fstab09:45
bryan/dev/hdb1       /media/decepticon ntfs  user,umask=0222 0 009:45
bryanthat's what mine looks like09:45
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NixerXumask=0222 is a good thing to have.09:45
hezewolki, just don't try anything opengl ;)09:45
edgeYou can axces fstab by typing "sudo gedit /etc/fstab" in your terminal,09:45
dabiok ty..09:45
_manuelcan I install Warty on Apple G5?09:45
hezewolki, the problem will probably be solved quite fast since there are quite a lot of ppl with nvidia cards.09:45
_manuelor  Hoary is better09:45
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NixerX_manuel, Inst the G5 64bit?09:46
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edgedont forget that hda1 is yust an example, change this to your ntfs partition, and /mnt/win2k should also be an existing map,09:46
tritiumwolki, what's your problem with nvidia?09:46
dabiyah i know..09:47
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bryannvidia is poop :D09:47
edgeyou can make this map bij sudo mkdir /mnt/win2k09:47
_manuelNixerX: yes, dual processor09:47
wolkitritium: the module doesn't load on hoary09:47
scizzoNixerX: http://www.podulator.com/debs/wired/09:47
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scizzoNixerX: there you have unstable packages but I still want to get this thingy compiled09:47
tritiumwolki, it does here.09:47
BockBilbohello09:47
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tritiumwolki, did you update your kernel today?09:48
dabidoes the ntfs driver for linux still have write?09:48
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NixerXscizzo, Sweet! have you installed?09:48
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gxx_HELP!!!  I just rebooted after doing the last hoary dist-upgrade and x isn;t working09:48
NixerX_manuel, I dont the the power5 is supported.09:48
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wolkitritium: i just upgaded to hoary for the first time09:49
NixerXgxx_, do you have an nvidia card?09:49
edgeno you can't write with NTFS in linux, only read,09:49
dabioh dam..09:49
gxx_NixerX, yes09:49
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tritiumwolki, it works just fine.  You should check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log to find out the error09:49
bretzelHi there, I've asked this morning how is Hoary "preview" - is anyone trying it ?09:49
NixerXlol....may be wolki can give you a hand...he just had the same problem09:49
scizzoNixerX: going to test them no09:50
wolkitritium: the module doesn't load when i modprobe it...09:50
scizzoNixerX: going to test them now09:50
edgeMaybe you can write with very limitted rights, I'am not shure about that last thing. The problem is that NTFS is a close source thing, so its difficult to make a NTFS compatible drive09:50
wolkigxx_: i got it to work using the nv driver09:50
tritiumwolki, which kernel?09:50
wolkigxx_: just edit your xorg.conf09:50
gxx_wolki:  k trying now09:50
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wolkitritium:2.6.10 k709:51
bretzeledge: maybe "captive" driver for NTFS, but me too I am a bit scary to use it. ( seems working well in knoppix tho09:51
dabiany command to list partitions?09:51
bretzeldabi: sudo fdisk -l09:51
NixerXdf -lah09:51
tritiumwolki, what does uname -r say?09:51
gxx_wolki: what is the file path again?09:51
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edge?09:51
tritiumgxx_, you may want to not do that.  nvidia works...09:51
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robertj_hey all. Can someone with the hoary preview please try to access an sftp site?09:51
robertj_(using nautilus hat is)09:52
wolkigxx_: /etc/X11/xorg.conf09:52
robertj_I asked earlier and everyone but me was okay, no problems ;)09:52
gxx_tritium: well it isn't workking now, what do i do to make nvidia work again?09:52
gxx_wolki: ty09:52
robertj_My machines been dist-upgraded through some funkyness so I figured a resintall would fix, but no09:52
tritiumgxx_, did you have it working before?  what has changed?09:52
wolkitritium: 2.6.10-4-k709:52
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bretzelrobertj: ah! you are ising "preiew" ? -- ssh-dftp etcc... Did you install openssh pkg ?09:53
tritiumwolki, do you have linux-restricted-modules with same version?09:53
dabilol my hdb3 starts on 1337 :) hehehe09:53
bretzel"using preview - release: sorry typoe..09:53
robertj_bretzel: no, err, should I?09:53
edgebretzel, mm i am not using it, since the wrting limits are to limited tho make it usefull. And you can switch this of, but than you wil have a big change to screw up you'r NTFS partition09:53
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gxx_wolki: cools i got into x, ty09:53
bretzelrobertj: i dunno, I was asking how is preview ...09:53
robertj_oh, it's err the same as hoary was09:54
gxx_tritium:  yes it was working all day, yesterday..09:54
robertj_I'm not doing much of anything until I get this figured out09:54
tritiumgxx_, yes, so what did you update/remove/change?09:54
gxx_tritium: then after doing todays upgrade... and rebooting09:54
robertj_I don't want to be dist-upgrading into packages that can't be easily duplicated tomorrow09:54
tritiumgxx_, which packages were updated today?09:54
bretzeledgge: yeah, even in knoppix I feel not safe to "activate" writting in NTFS ...09:54
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wolkitritium: i have several linux-restricted installed, 2.6.10-4-k7 is one of them09:55
gxx_tritium: i don't remember... jsut clicked it said yes and went to make dinner.  but i remember updates to the kernel image were installed09:55
robertj_anyone else around here with a clean install of preview?09:56
edgeSomeone know which package I have to install to play mpeg, mp3 etc in totem.09:56
scizzoNixerX: I have it working here now09:56
bretzelrobertj: As I said "yesterday ? " - I am not sure I will even redo installation of hoary when the official release is out - because my array-5 installation is pretty stable and I did so much work to have it my taste... ( kde-3.4, kdevelop 3.1.92; xine etc....)09:56
edgeIt doesnt work at the time, and al the package that I can find whit symaptic are not instable09:57
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tritiumedge, gstreamer0.8-mad09:57
BockBilboany of you have installed YaBB forum or phpBB in ubuntu?09:57
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tritiumwolki, gxx_ give me some time here, and I'll get back to you...09:59
BockBilbotritium, hi09:59
hezeadd me to the list of waiting ppl :)09:59
_manuelcan I install Ubuntu on Apple G5 with dual processor?09:59
BockBilbohave you tried the phpBB package from pt?09:59
wolkitritium: thanks!09:59
BockBilbo*apt09:59
edgesynaptic autmaticly shutdown when I choose yes or cancel by the dependency question,09:59
hezei'm switching from -386 to -k7 in the meanwhile09:59
tritiumBockBilbo, hey there09:59
gxx_tritium, is there a way to see what was installed ... i used terminal when i did it10:00
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djsthow do i enable mp3 support in music players? i searched for mp3 in synaptic (with World enabled) but couldn't find anything10:00
bryani just switched to i68610:00
tritiumdjp, gstreamer0.8-mad10:00
bretzelOh my god: speaking partitions: I 've realized that I run hoary array-5 with NO swap partitions!!!! ( yes please LAUGH loud at me!!!)10:00
maximausdjst: go to the site and do a search, you'll find all the answers about codecs, etc. ;)10:00
hezebretzel, i run w/o swap too.10:00
bryanLinux ubuntu 2.6.10-4-686 #1 Fri Mar 11 12:28:51 GMT 2005 i686 GNU/Linux10:00
tritiumgxx_, no, not at this point10:00
djstmaximaus:  the site = ubuntulinux.org ?10:01
BockBilbo:)10:01
maximausyep10:01
bretzelheze: How much RAM you have ??? ( I have 1gb) I think I need swap...10:01
maximauslotsa nice how-tos for ya10:01
tritiumbretzel, if you have lots of memory, not that terrible10:01
hezebretzel, 1,5G10:01
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bryani have 1GB dual channel ddr40010:01
scizzoNixerX: but wired....is using more then 90 % of the CPU10:01
scizzo:P10:01
hezeand more importantly, what software yer gonna run on it :)10:01
bryankeeps things speedy10:02
bretzeltritium: heheheh not like WinXP -- I know...10:02
djsttritium:  thanks!10:02
tritiumdjst, sure10:02
bryandoes linux recognize the hypher threading in my processor?10:02
bryanhyper*10:02
hezeyes10:02
bretzelI think you are all right -- I haven't noticed any troubles w/o swap--- funny....10:03
NixerXscizzo, can we say memory leak :)10:03
tritiumheze, are you having nvidia problems also?10:03
hezetritium, yes.10:03
NixerXscizzo, that sucks...what cpu do you have?10:03
tritiumhrmm...there is some talk about possible ABI problems.  I need to look into it10:03
hezetritium, installed warty today, did a upgrade to hoary -> modprobe nvidia fails10:03
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NixerXEveryone's nvidia is croaking!10:04
NixerXIts a kernel thing.10:04
hezewell it's broken in the package. it'll be fixed shortly :)10:04
hezei hope10:04
hezethe kernel binary module is broken i guess10:04
dabii cant find in synaptic any with name NTFS10:05
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dabiand..10:05
dabisudo mount /dev/hda110:05
dabimount: unknown filesystem type 'ntfs'10:05
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Pineapples10dear god10:05
NixerXdabi, try libntfs10:05
dabinope10:05
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edgethit you at the universe package list to?10:05
Pineapples10does anyone know of a step by step guide to installing packages and whatnot10:06
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dabihow? i just opent synaptic, refresh and search.. :S where?10:06
bryanPineapples10:  been to www.ubuntuguide.org yet?10:07
NixerXPineapples10, man apt-get?10:07
bretzelQuestion: Gnome panel is sometime hidding below all stuff : I suspect xcompmgr/composite screwup but not sure - panels are running but not visible. ( killing it respawns and then its ok ) I was wondering about xcompmgr .... or nvidia+xorg or whatelse ....10:07
edgemm I have dutch language, ther should be somthing like prefrences (the one before HELP)10:07
tritiumPineapples10, there's an apt-howto you can install10:07
dabii have finnish.. :P10:07
edgeTha chose the second options something like packed source10:07
edgeow ok,10:07
dabioh10:07
dabity10:07
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edgesow now the should be  something like NTFS10:08
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NixerXbrb10:08
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viper12wow.......anyone else experiencing HUGE problems after todays' updates? (like xorg and ati and nvidia and such?)10:09
Pineapples10i installed linux ad it solved none of my problems10:09
viper12(on hoary).10:09
dabioh thanx a lot :)10:09
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tritiumPineapples10, what kind of problems did you hope it would solve?10:09
hezeviper12, atleast nvidia kernel driver is broken10:10
edge:D, not a problem10:10
viper12I can VOUCH for that one.  any idea on what caused it to GET broken?10:10
djsthow do i make the Win Logo key a key combination instead of a normal key? (e.g., how can i make use of Win+L, Win+D instead of just Win?)10:10
tritiumviper12, there may be kernel ABI problems with the latest images10:10
membreyadjst: bug :)10:10
hezeviper12, developers being human10:10
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djstin gentoo, for example, the win key acts more like Ctrl, Alt and Shift10:10
NixerXI stronly suggest against upgrading a stable system with a preview release.10:10
djstmembreya:  really? any bug number?10:10
viper12I can also say that without a settings the ATI side has lost GL speed as well.10:10
tritiumdjp, keyboard settings applet10:10
djsttritium:  is this a ubuntu specific bug then? because it works perfectly in vidalinux10:11
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Pineapples10tritium, I was kidding, a joke on many forums when someone cites a problem they are having with their computer is "install linux, problem solved"10:11
tritiumdjst, not a bug.  Just change your settings.10:11
djsttritium:  that's what i'm trying to figure out.. how do i change that setting? :)10:12
membreyahmmm no it's not ...just read that :)10:12
membreyareading through the archive on the mailing list :)10:12
omniscientis it possible to backup my packages so that when i reinstall apt doesnt have to redownload them all?10:13
BockBilbobye!10:13
djsttritium:  i can't hold the Win key pressed and press another letter at the same time, because the applet will just recognize the Win key alone10:13
membreyaomniscient: yes it is10:13
NixerXomniscient, tar http://www.podulator.com/debs/wired/10:14
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NixerXoops10:14
NixerXi mean tar /var/cache/apt/archives/10:14
tritiumPineapples10, okay ;)10:14
omniscientok, and what about the package database, if i just copy them all over to new install, it will work?10:14
membreyaomniscient: go to your /var/cache/apt/archives directory10:14
omniscientor do i just run update and it will check that directory?10:15
tritiumdjst, did you look under "Layout Options->Alt/Win key behavior"?10:15
membreyathen on your new install, just do a dpkg -i *.deb10:15
Pineapples10im trying to install DVDRIP, when i type apt-get install dvdrip it cannot find the package10:15
omniscientmembreya, will that install depends?10:15
omniscientisnt it just drip Pineapples10 ?10:16
membreyaall your depends will be in that directory10:16
omniscientmembreya, gotya, thanks man.10:16
blizahwhat media player and audio player would you guys recommend?10:16
bwlangblizah: i like rhythmbox10:16
Fator_Deeblizah: xmms and mplayer10:16
viper12does anyone have any ETA on fixes on the latest kernel updates for hoary? This hath really fubared my main box with the nvidia piece broken.10:16
NixerXblizah, xmms  for  audio, xine  for video, or videl lan for both10:16
NixerX*video lan*10:17
NixerXHas anyone tried to download the nvidia drivers from nvidia and compile the module?10:17
djsttritium:  which one should it be?10:18
tritiumviper12, you can always revert to the old version10:18
edgeHa, everytime synaptic has dependency's it shutwdown,10:18
tritiumdjst, I don't know.  I don't use that10:18
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blizahk ill look in to them10:18
blizahaudio: rhythmbox or xmms  video: xine or mplayer10:18
Pineapples10i hate this10:19
NixerXxmms and xine10:19
viper12Yeah, trit....that wasn't the question.  the question was regarding eta on solutions to problems, not reversion.10:19
tritiumviper12, either boot into a previous kernel, or go downgrade to the previous kernel by installing it from /var/cache/apt/archives10:19
blizahright now i have mplayer and xmms10:19
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viper12nods and ty to trit.10:19
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chantryargh madwifi is broken with the last update10:20
edgeSome one know wht could be wrong?10:20
edgeI mena with synaptic,10:20
chantryI can't have wifi anymore10:20
djsttritium:  i figured it out, thanks10:20
edgeSince it shutdown on every dependency10:20
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tritiumheze, gxx_ wolki I'll reboot into the latest kernel in 1 minute here.  This job is finishing up...10:20
Pineapples10this is ridiculous, every guide is written in a moon language that I cant understand10:20
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Gast12232hi10:20
djsttritium:  another question, why is X-Chat completing tri with Tricker when there are two ppl in here starting with "tri" ?10:20
devazionam i the only one that cant get nvidia-glx working since newest update?10:21
chantryis anyone else using madwifi with last ubuntu kernel?10:21
viper12oh, just an fyi if any devs are lurking....it also broke the wifi a bit as well....i'm guessing the kernel update was just 'fubar' from word one?10:21
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Gast12232i search a german helpchannel for ubuntu10:21
NixerXedge have you tried running synaptic from the command line to see where the dep issue is?10:21
hezetritium, g'luck10:21
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tritiumdjst, hit tab a second time.  It goes with the first, alphabetically10:21
tritiumheze, thanks ;)10:21
chantryI think its only the restriced-modules which is borken10:21
chantrythe dev are fixing it?10:21
Gast12232i search a german helpchannel for ubuntu10:21
hezeyou'll need it ;)10:21
aqtisanyone here able to use a PalmOS device with the current LiveCD?10:21
djsttritium:  not here for some reason.. it just types "Tricker: "10:22
membreyahehe I'm SO happy..got my MS explorer mouse working properly so that it's side buttons work :D10:22
aqtisand if so whats the magic?10:22
tritiumbrb10:22
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Gast12232i search a german helpchannel for ubuntu10:22
Gast12232i search a german helpchannel for ubuntu10:22
djstas if it doesn't realize there are more than one10:22
hezechantry, nah the devs will never fix it ;)10:22
Pineapples10how come no matter what package I try to install i get "couldnt find package" why is linux so hard10:22
edge Failed to set label from markup due to error parsing markup: Unknown tag 'p' on line 1 char 9710:22
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edge:S,10:22
raydoggcan u do a md5 over a whole directory recursively to make sure all files copied correctly ?10:23
djpPineapples10: have you setup your repos?10:23
Pineapples10no, so i need to setup my repositries?10:23
NixerXedge. dose it mention a file?10:24
djpPineapples10: yes10:24
Pineapples10ok...now about doing that10:24
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edgeno, it happens on every dependency, it doesn't mather from wich package. apt-get works still fine.10:25
djpPineapples10: visit http://ubuntuguide.org and follow the really concise setup guide to get a very nice ubuntu install!10:25
Pineapples10ok, I will give that a go, tahnks10:25
NixerXedge maybe reinstall synaptic using apt-get?10:27
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geppyAre the new nVidia drivers packaged, yet?10:27
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edgeThat's a good idea,10:27
NixerXI have them sometimes.10:28
tritiumyep, definitely some abi breakage ;)10:28
heze:)10:28
tritiumfrom dmesg: disagrees about version of symbol struct_module10:29
tritiumso there could be issues with many kernel modules10:29
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geppymeh, I'll just install the binary10:29
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aqtisanyone here able to use a PalmOS device with the current ubuntu LiveCD?10:30
membreyaanyone here using an nvidia card?10:30
aqtisnote: It works for me under Slackware1010:30
devazionmembreya sure all dop10:30
hezemembreya, yes10:30
aqtisI am using nvidia10:30
edgeI have used a nvidea card10:30
NixerXany one here from the northeast US?10:30
aqtisalmost 50 milse further north10:31
membreyacan you guys do me a favour, do a cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status10:31
membreyaand let me know what it says10:31
tritiummembreya, kernel module problems10:31
membreyamine says Status:          Disabled10:31
membreyaI'm thinking that's why my 3d performance is blowing10:31
NixerXaqtis, canada?10:31
hezegot no "nvidida" on driver-folder10:31
edge**** after reinstalling synaptic, still the same proble10:31
tritiummembreya, that means you're using intel_agp instead of NvAGP10:31
aqtisSi senoir10:32
devazionThis might sound stupid, on the livecd with gnome 2.10 from gnome.org (the ubuntu one) i can like plug in my usb storage and it pops up on the desktop, on newest upgrade with installed hoary it dont pop up, its not even found. What module/feature has to be turned on the get that behavior?10:32
membreyatritium: how do I fix that one ?10:32
NixerXedge try doing an apr-get  purge maybe it's a configu file that foo10:32
aqtismembreya: I have an nvidia but it ain sdetected as such10:32
tritiummembreya, there's nothing _wrong_ with that10:32
membreyathen why does my 3d blow :(10:32
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tritiummembreya, if you want to, you can blacklist intel_agp, and then use NvAGP10:32
NixerXaqtis, you gonna get some snow from this storm were getting her in maine?10:33
edgehow do i use that command10:33
aqtishope not10:33
edgewaith I wil look up in the man10:33
aqtisbloddy fed up with inter, I am10:33
NixerXwere supposed to get 12-20in10:33
aqtisargh10:33
LinuxJonesNixerX, that storm is hitting here tomorrow AM10:33
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membreyaerm ...and how do I load the nvagp tritium ? :P modprobe it ?10:33
holyhackerhello10:33
NixerXLinuxJones, Where you at?10:33
aqtistry that10:33
LinuxJonesNixerX, Nova Scotia10:33
tritiummembreya,         Option          "NvAGP"                 "1"10:34
NixerXMaybe it'll loose some power by then.10:34
gxx_tritium: cools, let me know when this is solved.. i watching a show atm, and checking irc10:34
LinuxJonesNixerX, we are only supposed to get 6 inches tho but 35 mph winds10:34
tritium(in /etc/X11/xorg.conf)10:34
holyhackerhow do i install a plug-in for firefox to let me see java applets10:34
holyhackerand where do i get one10:34
membreyahhmmm just looked tritium and it's already in there :|10:34
tritiumgxx_, I'm about to leave for a while.  I'll be on in a few hours10:34
blizahare there any audio/video players that have just a basic play, stop, pause, open, and fast forward, rewind buttons that could fit at the top bar is?10:34
Pineapples10in your opinion, is the ultimate goal of linux wider adoption on the desktop market, or is that not what most distros are shooting for10:34
tritiummembreya, yes, because intel_agp is loaded10:35
aqtisits a soft link to /usr/lib/java/plugin/...10:35
blizahfit in the top bar...10:35
tritiummembreya, lsmod | grep agp10:35
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NixerXedge,  dpkg -r | --remove | -P | --purge package ...10:35
gxx_tritium: k10:35
holyhackeri dont understand what you meen10:35
membreyalsmod | grep agp show's nothing :|10:35
NixerXits dpkg not apt-get sorry.10:35
aqtisholyhacker: its a soft link to /usr/lib/java/plugin/... to whereever firefox/plugins lives10:35
holyhackerim kinda new to linux10:35
holyhackeroh ok then10:35
tritiumgxx_, so if you're on later this evening, I'll get back to you10:35
aqtismee too10:35
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membreyathere's _no_ agp modules loaded tritium :\10:36
aqtislook for the apropriate lib*.so file10:36
aqtisin the /usr/lib/java/plugins10:36
aqtisthere are choices to make10:36
NixerXwell im gonna go sharpen the 'ol shovel10:36
aqtisbut the  plugin  opnly works properly as a soft link10:37
NixerXhave a good one folks.10:37
tritiummembreya, check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see what's loading10:37
kotatsusomething that has puzzled me for a while... when I run a GUI app using sudo/gksudo it of course uses root's desktop (gtk, icon, etc.) settings... is there any way to make it use the user's desktop settings instead?10:37
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membreyatritium: am I just looking for AGP in that log?10:39
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membreyathe only real reference I can find is (**) NVIDIA(0): Use of NVIDIA internal AGP requested10:39
vixusHey, is there an IDE for coding in C++ and with a good wxWindows form designer? There's my question, straight up! :-)10:40
devazionvixus, kdevelop has always done the job for me10:40
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vixus1. Kdevelop develops Qt applications for use on KDE.10:41
tritiummembreya, yes.10:41
tritiumSorry, I'm going to have to get going.10:41
vixus2. wxWindows can be ported to Windows10:41
tritiumI'll be back in a few hours.10:41
tritiumbye!10:41
vixus3. KDevelop can't be altered to use wxWindows can it?10:41
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vixusdevazion.10:41
devazionvixus sure not... please tell me about it... kdevelop has many libraries, ofc its mainly for developing for Kde lib... but wxwidgets work very well in kdevelop10:42
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devazionvixus cant qt be ported to windows lol?10:42
Riddellvixus: kdevelop works for many languages and libraries10:42
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Pineapples10ok, i got my respoitories set up and apt is working now, but what if I want to install a package that instal available through apt?10:42
vixusdevazion: Oh, yeah, but yesterday I asked this question and everyone goes: "USE WXWINDOWS!!"10:43
djpPineapples10: what are you trying to install?10:43
devazionvixus well, qt aint "totally" free...10:43
Pineapples10dvdrip10:43
vixusI am mainly a GNOME user too. ;-)10:43
vixusKDE isn't installed anyhoo10:43
Riddelldevazion: qt is entirely Free Software10:43
djpPineapples10: are you using warty or hoary?10:43
Pineapples10hoary10:43
devazionRiddell sure i know, but its not free of charge for commercial use10:44
Riddelldevazion: it is as long as you keep to the GPL10:44
devazionRiddell "not true either" im making it simple for mr im new to program here! :)10:44
blizahonce i install fluxbox how will i switch between fluxbox and gnome?10:44
djpPineapples10: that should be installable through apt... try using synaptic and search there for dvdrip10:44
Pineapples10alright, will do...10:44
blizahat login?10:44
vixusHow do I alter KDevelop to use wxWindows (will the form designer work?)10:44
devazionblizah many ways... .Xsession .xinitrc gdm, kdm...10:44
devazionvixus why you need designer?10:45
devazionvixus try learning it instead10:45
Riddellvixus: the form designer won't work, chances are it has templates for wxwindows etc10:45
blizahdevazion can you switch w/ out loging out or rebooting?10:45
vixusblizah: CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE10:45
devazionblizah sure...10:45
devazionNO VIXUS!10:45
vixus:o10:45
vixusWithout logging out.. right10:45
blizahhehe10:45
devazionblizah find process id for fluxbox and kill it, then start gnome10:45
vixus:x10:46
blizahk ill give it a go :D10:46
devaziongood luck!10:46
Pineapples10ok, apt isn't working properly actually, im getting some 404s10:46
devazionvixus what software are you going to develop? consider learning right toolkit for the right project10:46
devazionPineapples10 since when did apt start using HTTP?10:47
Pineapples10uhm dont ask me ive never used linux before10:47
devazionPineapples10 then rtfs10:47
devazionrtfm*10:47
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Pineapples10I did everything its told  me to, but thanks10:47
devazionPineapples10 what is the problem?10:47
membreyawhat speeds do people get from glxgears in a terminal ?10:48
devazionYou cant you come say: Im sick gimme medicine10:48
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devazionAt what date in april will hoary be released?10:51
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pineapples10Ubthis is pineapples10 on my ubuntu machine10:51
devazionpineapples10Ub sure, you got ten apples? eat em?10:52
vixusdevazion: I just want to make general purpose programs, nothing in particular, in fact, I want to teach myself some coding with GUIs.10:52
pineapples10Ubyes I ate ten of them and they are delicious10:52
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slenteranyone please help me on this: do you have any idea where i can get cedega for nothing?10:52
hawke_slenter: No.10:53
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hawke_slenter: not legally anyway10:53
pineapples10Ubif i run apt-get update I get this error followed by a few similar ones10:53
pineapples10UbErr http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary-updates/main Packages10:53
pineapples10Ub  404 Not Found10:53
devazionvixus then start with something easy, like tk. why not python/ruby/tcl/perl and tk?10:53
vixusI wanted to learn some C++ first, but I may just go for python. Got any useful links?10:53
devazionvixus www.python.org10:54
slenterthanks, hawke_; (illegal works for me at the moment... i just want to test it and to "lure" some friends of mine to linux"10:54
devazionvixus c++ is more reading before you can use it. go with python/ruby10:54
slenterthanks, hawke_; (illegal works for me at the moment... i just want to test it and to "lure" some friends of mine to linux)10:54
raydoggcan u do a md5 over a whole directory recursively to make sure all files copied correctly ?10:55
vixusok... :/10:56
vixuspython it is10:56
hawke_slenter: it's pretty cheap though...10:56
devazionvixus why python? did you even consider the others?10:56
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devazionvixus read some, drink a beer. dont start directly10:57
Seveasvixus, google for "dive into python"10:57
slenterhawke_: u don't know my friends... ;)10:58
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critteranyone know the default path for wine In Ubutu??10:58
critterUbuntu10:58
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lachosshi!11:00
Seveashi!11:00
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blizahk im in gnome and installed fluxbox so how did you say i changed to fluxbox?11:01
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lachossi'm trying to add some folders to the Places menu, but i can't find out how! i googled around, searched the .gnome, .gnome2 and .nautilus dirs, but found nothing:S any ideas? thanks!11:01
roybattiusis hoary firefox on crack or me? I download a file to my home directory, but when i want to open it with file roller in the download manager I have to "back up" into the filesystem to extract an archive or it'll put in some random-first directory in my home directory11:02
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bwlangroybattius: sounds like a fileroller problem to me...11:03
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roybattiusbwlang: yeah, could be right.  freaking fileroller doesn't allow me to extract the directory structure into the home directory, it automagically forces me to put into an existing directory11:04
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wolkiHmmm... somehow my top panel disappears unless i have the mouse over the bottom panel... and i'm not using composite11:05
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roybattiusbwlang: so it seems i have to tell firefox to download everything into /home and then my home account will be highligted by fileroller11:05
critterTrying to install AVG Linux but cant find wine Dir11:06
Pineapples10this is going to sounds really stupid because it is, how do I find out my local ip through the command line11:06
membreyajust updated to kernel 2.6.10-4 and now my nvidia driver won't load :| doing a modprobe nvidia says module not found, yet if I do an apt-get install nvidia-glx it says the latest version is installed11:06
membreyaany help ? :(11:06
akrabatPineapples10: ifconfig11:07
thenukehttp://mirror.isp.net.au/ftp/pub/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/l/limewire/  can I apt-get that somehow?11:07
Seveasmembreya, it's a known problem, it'll be fixed soon11:07
xavSeveas: madwifi too?11:07
bwlangroybattius: i don't use fileroller .. dunno11:07
membreyaso when the fix comes down, I just have to do a sudo apt-get upgrade and it will let me load the nvidia module? or will I need to reinstall it ?11:08
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xavI guess update and loading module11:08
Seveasxav: yes11:08
xavnice11:08
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membreyaso I just need to modprobe it ? It won't complain about symbols?11:09
xavif its fixed...11:09
xavlol11:09
Seveasmembreya, as soon as it's fixed11:09
membreyacool :)11:09
membreyawill just run the nv module :)11:09
Seveasthenuke, you should add that server to your sources.list11:09
EntityHello, I just installed the preview version but it seems I was not asked for root's password... is there a default one?11:09
Seveasor just download the .deb files and run dpkg -i on them11:09
SeveasEntity, no11:09
Pineapples10akrabat, thanks ;-)11:09
critterAnyone know how eo add exe file to wine tools??11:10
Seveasthere is no root password Entity11:10
critterto11:10
Seveasall is sudo11:10
xavis anyone using muine and/or rhythmbox?11:10
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EntitySeveas, so I need sudo passwd root?11:10
Seveasif you want a root password per se11:10
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EntitySeveas, because I lauched some admin tools in gnome and it asked for its password11:11
critterAny Help with Wine?11:11
Seveasthen you need *your own* password, Entity11:11
Seveasthose things use gksudo11:11
viper12the latest hoary kernel.......what should its uname look like? (heavy probs with the updates.)11:11
EntitySeveas, ok let's try it, thanks :)11:11
xavviper12: dont upgrade11:12
membreyanope, need my GLX, rebooting to old kernel :)11:12
MrKeunerhi, I did a baad thing. I installed a deb package which was probably poorly designed. dpkg -i installed it with some warnings. And i cannot remove it now. -->subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 127.11:12
MrKeunerwhat can I do?11:12
critterAre there any virus scanners in universe???11:12
xavu are afraid of virus ?11:13
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critterNo just a cold from time to time11:13
viper12a lil late for that.  xav. the primary box is borked because of it.  no nvidia, and no wireless........and it looks like no matter what I try to do in grub, i'm stuck with 2.6.10-4 or 2.6.10-3.11:13
MrKeunercritter/ clamav11:13
SeveasMrKeuner, you can inspect the deb contents and remove it by hand11:13
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Pineapples10how can I install a package that isnt available through apt?11:13
critterMrKeuner TY11:13
SeveasPineapples10, dpkg -i filename.deb11:14
viper12its funny, same update on the laptop worked...but no gl acceleration on the ati driver either.  wtf did they do?11:14
MrKeunerSeveas/ what about reporting to dpkg? Won't dpkg think that it is still installed?11:14
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SeveasPineapples10, if you don't have a deb file either: read the INSTALL file11:14
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SeveasMrKeuner, yes11:14
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xavviper12: restricted-modules doesnt work11:15
xavmaybe it just wasnt updated11:15
Seveasyou can also try fixung the pre-removal script....11:15
xavdrivers need to be built against the new kernel11:15
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xavwith same gcc11:15
MrKeunerI don't care about the files. I just need dpkg to stop telling me about that preremoval script error11:15
MrKeunerI cannot fix a script I guess :(11:15
xavthere is a start for everything11:16
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viper12okay, having not had to do this before, what is the command to 'revert' to "yesterday"?  I know its the var/cache/apt/archives, but the particular apt-get command to do so....guess i'm brain farting due to irritation here.11:17
MrKeunerwhere is that script?11:17
Pineapples10i have a deb file, when i run dpkg it says I need a package archive file argument11:17
SeveasPineapples10: dpkg -i filename.deb11:17
Pineapples10thats exactly what I did11:17
Seveasof course: replace filename.deb by the actual filename :)11:17
punkrockguy318What metapackage can I install to install all the default ubuntu packages?  ubuntu-desktop?11:18
Pineapples10hehe, I did that too11:18
Seveasyes punkrockguy31811:18
Seveasand it should be installed by default11:18
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punkrockguy318Seveas, yeah, but some stuff got messed up on my upgrade11:18
SeveasPineapples10, can you copy the exact error11:18
punkrockguy318thank you!11:18
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punkrockguy318is there any way to install the nvidia 6111 driver on hoary?11:19
Pineapples10ok, I got it to work but there are a ton of dependancy problems :(11:19
juHi all ! (Hoary is great !!!)11:19
SeveasPineapples10, try apt-get'ing the dependencies11:20
MrKeuner:) I fixed a script11:20
MrKeunerit was trying to run update-menus which I do not have for some reason11:20
xavubuntu is nice but way too much bugged imo11:21
viper12if updated to the latest hoary, which kernel should be listed using 'uname -a' ??  (If this answer doesn't match mine, then things have gone south on this box to 'rebuild' from scratchville.11:21
unpersonI wanted to show someone Ubuntu with one of the live CDs.  I have the old Warty live CD image, but is there a newer *stable* version?  I don't want anything bleeding edge, because a system that has major bugs makes a bad impression.  It looks like there's a hoary milestone Live CD out, but I really can't tell which, if any, is supposed to be stable and most recent.11:22
xavmaybe wait for hoary to be released11:22
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phosphorgreenyeah less than a month now unperson11:22
viper12xav, you get that query?11:22
Seveasxav, hoary isn't final so you cannot expect it to be bug free11:22
viper12or anyone?11:23
Seveasxav, use warty if you want stable things11:23
viper12lol11:23
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unpersonXav: You talking to me?11:23
HiddenWolfunperson: the latest hoary livecd will work just fine in 99% of the cases, it'll just be more polished in the coming weeks before release11:23
Pineapples10Seveas, those seem to have dependencies of their own and wont install either, i never though gentoo would be easier than ubuntu!11:23
xavunperson: yes I thought the same as HiddenWolf11:23
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xavSeveas: well yes I don't know wtf I downloaded a hoary cd. certainly because I saw it in the topic there :p11:24
SeveasPineapples10, can't you add the source where you got that .deb to your sources.lis11:24
unpersonOk.  I just wasn't sure if the live CD release cycle was out of phase with the install distro release cycle.11:24
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unpersonI guess the answer is no.11:24
Pineapples10Seveas, from what others have told me it should be available through apt (DVDRIP) but it does not work for me11:25
xavbut hoary's features are a lot nicer than warty's. if only it wasnt that bugged11:25
unpersonIn which case, I'll get give him a copy of the Warty Live for now.  It'll still be a lot newer than whatever old Red Hat he's using.11:25
Seveasthey are (almost) completely sync unperson11:25
Pineapples10I can try adding it to source.lis I guess11:25
awb4422i have the gstreaner0.8-mad package, but i can't use rhythmbox to playback mp3s.. anyone have any idea why?11:25
SeveasPineapples10, dvdrip cannot be supported, that's why it is more difficult to install11:25
xavawb4422: all mp3 ? and only mp3 ?11:26
Seveasyou can find install instructions on the Ubuntu wiki11:26
awb4422xav: yes, all and only mp311:26
xavfuck11:26
Pineapples10alright ill give that a try11:26
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xavawb4422: well check that there are no non mp3 files in your directory11:26
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xavlike jpg,...11:26
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awb4422the error message i get: "could not open resource for writing" and "could not pause playback"11:27
Pineapples10Seveas, so basically I cannot install it then11:27
awb4422nothing else is in those dir's, only 3 cd's that i ripped to mp311:27
unpersonOk, well, I've got to go.  Thanks for the lowdown on the live CD issue.11:27
rattboianyone have issues with ALSA in Hoary recently?11:27
xavawb4422: I see this error a lot11:27
rattboiI think a recent update hosed my soundcard somehow11:27
xavawb4422: u are using hoary?11:27
awb4422warty11:27
xavit may be fixed in hoary11:27
pofoto what runlevel i must set inittab so i get rid of gdm ??11:28
SeveasPineapples10, of courxe you can11:28
unpersonawb4422:  Did you try any mp3s not made yourself?11:28
xavanyway just search for it in google or in bugzilla, you'll find stuff about it11:28
unpersonawb4422:  I mean, are we sure the problem is with playback and not with the files?11:28
xavunperson: its a known bug11:28
awb4422actually, i think its with my sound11:28
awb4422it was working before, but not i can't raise the volume. when i try to do that, it just goes back to the bottom11:29
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unpersonOk, I'm out.  Good luck.11:29
awb4422"sorry, no mixer elements and/or devices found"11:29
awb4422this is interesting..11:29
rattboiawb4422,  I'm getting a similar deal11:29
rattboiare you running Hoary?11:29
Laneycan i do a http install?11:29
xavwhy not11:29
xavrattboi: no11:29
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SeveasLaney, what do you mean by 'http install'11:30
Pineapples10Seveas, if I try to install 'transcode' i get package transcode has no installation candidate11:30
viper12since apparently know one saw my question...i'll be askin' it again:11:30
rattboiI had sound, and I haven't changed my settings, so I guess a recent update has messed up my alsa11:30
viper12if updated to the latest hoary, which kernel should be listed using 'uname -a' ??  (If this answer doesn't match mine, then things have gone south on this box to 'rebuild' from scratchville.11:30
SeveasPineapples10, you have to find sources for it11:30
rattboialsa stuff is in the kernel in 2.6, right?11:30
xavviper12: search on ubuntu site11:30
Pineapples10gotcha11:30
xavviper12: you can browse all package there11:30
LaneyWell, I remember doing it with redhat once. Doesn't have to be http; what I did was download a floppy image or two and then give it a web address and it downloded things on the fly11:31
viper12xav...if someone in here updated TODAY, then all they havta' do is do a uname -a and let me know what they are showing.11:31
SeveasPineapples10, add the marillat sources to your sources.list11:31
pofohow do i get rid of GDM on hoary ??11:31
Seveasyou can find details of how to do that on the wiki11:31
Seveasthen you can install transcode and dvdrip and stuff11:31
pofothanks11:31
awb4422I have an inspiron 8200, i found a hit on google about alsa problems...11:31
xavviper12: it seems its too complicated for them :)11:31
phosphorgreenany1 know how to get procmail working in warty?11:31
Seveaspofo, that was not for you but for Pineapples10 :)11:32
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viper12feh.  this update right after a pre-release version seems a mess. I'll check back in later.11:33
xavlol11:34
dabiim trying to use apache2 with my ubuntu (prev. ver.) but i got this error: apache211:34
dabi(13)Permission denied: make_sock: could not bind t o address [::] :8011:34
dabino listening sockets available, shutting down11:34
dabiUnable to open logs11:34
dabiDoes ubuntu have firewall what disallows it? how can i turn it off from port 80?11:34
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misohello11:34
Seveasdabi, do you run it as root?11:34
phosphorgreendabi, check your firewall11:34
dabino11:34
xavlol I'm glad I have not ubuntu on my pc11:34
misois there a ubuntu/ppc chanell?11:34
Seveasdabi, you should11:34
Seveasonly root can bind to port 8011:35
dabiok11:35
dabihmm11:35
dabiok :) lol..11:35
Seveasand you should start it with its initscript....11:35
phosphorgreenyeah like:11:35
phosphorgreensudo bash11:35
dabihow?11:35
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Seveasmiso, there is no separate ppc channel11:35
phosphorgreen#/etc/init.d/apache2 start11:35
desrt_gabrieldon't sudo bash11:35
rattboihmm11:35
desrt_gabrielsudo su -11:35
phosphorgreenwhy not sudo bash11:35
Seveasdabi, sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 start11:35
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rattboisynaptic update found new kernel package, and now sound is ok11:35
rattboigood deal11:35
MrKeunerwhy doesn't applications:/// work in nautilus?11:35
awb4422http://ubuntu-inspiron.blogspot.com/11:36
awb4422i found this site11:36
desrt_gabrielMrKeuner; it's not in 2.1011:36
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SeveasMrKeuner, in gnome 2.10 the menu approach is different11:36
desrt_gabrielMrKeuner; 2.10 uses the new freedesktop.org menu system.  it works differently.11:36
phosphorgreenhow do you upgrade to hoary from warty?11:36
phosphorgreeni cant find the faq11:36
MrKeunerhow does it go now?11:36
rattboiphosphorgreen, it's there11:36
Seveasphosphorgreen, edit your sources.list, change every occurence of warty to hoary and update :)11:36
rattboiall you have to do is change your sources.list11:36
rattboiah, Seveas beat me11:37
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SeveasMrKeuner, it doesn't go....11:37
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pofo:/11:37
Seveasthere is no way yet to manually edit the menu11:37
pofoso thats why i cant find it11:37
pofohehe11:37
Hell-Razorwhen will the horay thing be released?11:37
desrt_gabrielman11:37
jesuelWell new kernel with latest update and now ati drivers are broken...11:37
Seveaslol pofo11:37
desrt_gabrieli can't wait until i can get home and run apt-get update11:37
MrKeunerSeveas/ I see ok11:37
SeveasHell-Razor, in april11:37
desrt_gabrielit's so exciting11:37
Seveaspofo: you could chmod -x the gdm initscript :)11:38
pofowhat run level should i change it to ??11:38
rattboijesuel, same here :(11:38
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pofowhere is it ?11:38
rattboididn't notice till you said something11:38
pofo /etc ?11:38
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Rafael_KafkaGood night, i installed Ubuntu today and is my first ditro with grub, how i can update grub configuration after change his conf?11:38
Hell-RazorSeveas, alright,,,will it be a upgrade? or a reformat + install11:38
Seveasjesuel, rattboi, all restricted_modules are broken11:38
rattboiRafael_Kafka, look at /boot/grub/menu.lst11:38
critterDoes Anyone Know What the default path is to wine program ? In ubuntu11:38
SeveasHell-Razor, you can do what you want11:38
Seveasupgrading is even very simply11:39
phosphorgreencritter type which wine11:39
jesuelgoddamit :(11:39
MrKeunerRafael_Kafka/ you don't need to if you have already finished with menu.lst11:39
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Pineapples10couldnt stat source package list AHHHHH11:39
rattboiSeveas, there was an updated restricted modules package11:39
Hell-RazorSeveas, i would like to upgrade...is it possible i can upgrade now?11:39
Rafael_Kafkai did look, change, but in lilo we nedd type lilo in shell, in grub this is necessary?11:39
Seveaspofo, /etc/init.d/11:39
critterok11:39
TuxadermistSo, the plan is to leave us on the weekend with no working nvidia drivers ?11:39
jesuelrattboi: yup11:39
rattboiRafael_Kafka, nope11:39
piDoes anybody know the proper way to set Xorg to be the default environment after doing a dist-upgrade?11:39
MrKeunerRafael_Kafka/ grub doen't need that last step11:39
pofothank you11:40
jesuel*sigh*11:40
SeveasTuxadermist, i don't know11:40
TuxadermistGood plan11:40
Seveasrattboi, since when?11:40
rattboiSeveas, so what should we do?11:40
jesuelNot happy atm11:40
Pineapples10you guys, linux is crazy and you are all geniuses11:40
Rafael_KafkaMrKeuner, thank you very much11:40
rattboiSeveas, since I updated a few seconds ago11:40
Seveasah ok11:40
phosphorgreendoes hoary rock ? i am apt-get upgrading now :)11:40
Seveasthank you!11:40
rattboiI saw the restricted-modules package upgrade11:40
jesueli saw it as well11:40
Seveasso Hell-Razor, that must be now :)11:40
LinuxJonesphosphorgreen, I am sure you will like it :)11:40
Rafael_Kafkait' amazing have gnome in the same day that the sources was liberated!11:41
rattboiI don't know what I should do...11:41
Rafael_Kafkai never see this, this is magic!11:41
rattboicompiling the ATI driver is kinda sucky11:41
SeveasRafael_Kafka, hoary even had it before that :)11:41
rattboiI tried it without success last time11:42
Hell-RazorSeveas, huh11:42
Rafael_KafkaSeveas, my friends are very entusiastics here in brazil,11:42
SeveasHell-Razor, you can update the restricted-modules now11:42
Hell-RazorSeveas, alright11:42
piI upgraded to hoary, and XFree is still installed and running by default...does anybody know what i can do to run Xorg instead?11:42
rattboipi, are you sure you're running xfree?11:43
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rattboicause xorg can use the old xfree config sometimes11:43
Rafael_KafkaSeveas, we will build a brazilian-portuguese community for ubuntu11:43
SeveasPi, that is odd behaviour, I think you should contact a developer (#ubuntu-devel or ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com)11:43
rattboiit's just symlinked to the new one11:43
pirattboi: yes11:43
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pipi@AXP:~ $ ps aux |grep X ->root      7109  5.3  4.8  56884 50404 ?        RL   17:31   0:41 /usr/X11R6/bin/X11:44
awb4422ok still no dice on the sound11:44
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_adw_hey, on my warthog release i had this app in my top-left showing wirelss network strength in %, anyone know where this went in hoary?11:44
critterphosphorgreen Is this what you mean ?? Wine version 0.0.20040615-lubutul (warty)11:44
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Seveas_adw_ right-click on the panel, select add to panel and select the link reporter11:45
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Madeyeanyone can dns easyhttp.com and paste the result to me?11:46
_adw_Seveas: i dont have link reporter there, should i try apt?11:46
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Seveaseasyhttp.com.           14400   IN      A       64.191.106.20511:47
IRCslothAnyone here having a problem with USB optical Mice and Warty?11:47
omniscientnope11:47
omniscientworks straight away11:47
omniscient:D11:47
IRCslothA couple times a day I have a unplug/replug the mouse because it goes dead11:47
SeveasIRCsloth, i have that problem only with red hat11:48
IRCslothI don't think it's USB subsystem related since my USB keyboard works fine11:48
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Seveassometimes happens when you hold the shift or control key and click a button11:48
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Seveasand it's all red hat machines at my work that have this problem :)11:48
IRCslothmaybe I'll try one of those usb -> PS/2 connectors I have laying around11:49
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spacenutsI got a problem adding custom repositories11:49
IRCslothit's quite annoying11:49
Seveasspacenuts, what's the problem?11:49
spacenutsI am willing to add DDV support11:49
spacenutsusing this tutor http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats11:49
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SkaaaPlease message me if you have any info on why it has been frozen on 38% installed for 20 minutes.11:49
spacenutstherfor I have to add the marillat server11:49
jesuelgrr11:50
Rafael_KafkaSeveas, the fstab configuration can use lines from other distros, i can copy or i need do diffenret?11:50
spacenutsand I did the following11:50
jesuelyeah ati non functional still *sob*11:50
SeveasRafael_Kafka if the drives are the same and the mount points exist, you can copy them11:50
Skaaaplease message me if you can give me some info on my probelms installing.11:50
spacenutsecho deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list11:50
Seveasjesuel, there seems to be an update now11:50
spacenutsas said in http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto11:50
Seveasthat's wrong11:50
spacenutsapt-get update gives the following11:51
Rafael_KafkaSeveas, Thank you11:51
spacenutsW: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net testing Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B90711:51
spacenutsW: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems11:51
Skaaacan anyone help me with installation problems?11:51
Entityin order to add restricted formats support on my hoary box, what repo you suggest?11:51
Skaaai boot up fine with live CD11:51
Seveasspacenuts, try apt-get update again11:51
jesuelSeveas: Calculating Upgrade... Done0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.11:51
Skaaabut i tired to install and it is stuck on 38% installed11:51
desrt_gabrielEntity; multiverse, marillat11:51
Rafael_KafkaSeveas, i did the mount points doing mkdir /dev/hdx /media/hdx11:51
spacenutsSeveas: already done that11:51
desrt_gabrielSeveas; this doesn't help11:51
spacenutsEntity: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats11:52
desrt_gabrielspacenuts; it's not a big deal.  every time you go to install a pacakge from restricted formats it will just say to you "are you sure you want to install this unverified package?"11:52
Entityspacenuts, I come from that link, that why I was asking11:52
desrt_gabrieland you have to say 'y'11:52
Rafael_Kafkaspacenuts, i did not have problems with packages without signatures11:52
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MaxeyPadthis is somewhat off topic, but are there any good NES emulators for linux11:52
Seveasspacenuts, than you, i never had the problem myself (still warty) but some people said that running apt-get update twice helped11:52
spacenutsgabriel: that's not the problem11:52
empty4620so what are the improvements in Hoary?? Will I be able to play music and video without installing mplayer now?11:52
desrt_gabrielMaxeyPad; original NES?11:53
omniscientempty i just use vlc11:53
spacenutsSeveas: sorry for not mentioning, I am using hoary preview release11:53
djstempty4620:  not woutout installing the plugins11:53
omniscientdoes most of what mplayer does without plugins11:53
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empty4620vlc, hmm, yes, but did hoary get rid of the non-functioning totem and stuff?11:53
mattgirvHi11:53
Seveashi mattgirv11:53
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mattgirv:( Another sleepless night of non-3d acceleration in the world of ati11:54
mattgirv:P11:54
spacenutsis my line in sources.list correct11:54
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spacenutsfor hoary?11:54
SkaaaCAN ANYONE HELP A LINUX NEWBIE WITH INSTALLATION ERRORS?11:54
empty4620okay I'll check vlc out11:54
SkaaaI AM USING WARTY11:54
SeveasSkaaa, not if you have more details about the error....11:54
Hell-RazorSkaaa: installation errors...how so11:54
spacenutsdeb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main11:54
Skaaawell11:54
desrt_gabrielSkaaa; only sheep use warty :)11:54
SeveasSkaaa, my first guess: bad cd, burn a new one11:54
Skaaait has no message11:54
mattgirvcould anyone assist me with the ati drivers?11:54
Skaaano11:54
MaxeyPadyeh original NES11:54
Skaaathis isnt a burned11:54
Seveasdesrt_gabriel, only testers run hoary11:54
desrt_gabrielMaxeyPad; emerge ati-drivers :)11:54
Hell-RazorSkaaa, comon what is the error11:54
Skaaathis is an original cd11:55
Seveaspeople who want stability run warty11:55
Skaaano error, its just stuck at 38%11:55
desrt_gabrielmattgirv; emerge ati-drivers, rather :)11:55
Hell-Razordesrt_gabriel, i miss gentoo11:55
Skaaafor installation11:55
Hell-Razorrestart11:55
Hell-Razorand try again11:55
mattgirvdesrt_gabriel, hmm i am on hoary11:55
desrt_gabrielHell-Razor; ya.  that'll happen :)11:55
SeveasSkaaa, restart installation11:55
desrt_gabrielmattgirv; there's a wikipage on binary drivers11:55
Skaaaok11:55
mattgirvand this is ubuntu.. there isnt emerge11:55
mattgirv:/11:55
Skaaaby the way11:55
InitMasshow do i make xmms use /dev/dsp1 and skype use /dev/dsp with the help of esd?11:55
mattgirvyou gentoo whore you! :p11:55
Skaaathis is a mismatched computer11:55
Skaaai just built from three old ones11:55
MaxeyPadrocknes, is a semi-working emulator for linux11:55
Hell-Razordesrt_gabriel, yea i miss the gentoo-ness of linux...so far nothing even comes close to how good it is11:55
desrt_gabrielhttp://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto11:56
Skaaathe hard drive is unpartitioned11:56
Hell-Razordesrt_gabriel, gentoo that is11:56
desrt_gabrielmattgirv; ^^ go here11:56
Skaaaill try restart11:56
Hell-RazorSkaaa, then partition it11:56
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MaxeyPadI was curious how do I enable 4 channel sound in beep?  I was told to use alsa earlier, but when I switch to alsa it just crashes11:56
desrt_gabrielHell-Razor; ubuntu seems like it might be acceptable to throw on a machine that you never use11:56
spacenutsanyone got those unofficial reps going in hoary?11:56
Skaaawell it partitions on its own11:56
mattgirvdesrt_gabriel, this will work fine with hoary yes?11:56
Skaaawhen u put the cd in11:56
desrt_gabrielHell-Razor; like, i mean, a machine that other people use and expect to work, but generally don't try and do anything fancy with11:56
Seveasdesrt_gabriel, if you dont like ubuntu, why are you here?11:56
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Skaaathe thing is when i try to partition on this computer, it has an error partitioning11:57
Hell-Razordesrt_gabriel, lol i use my machine all the time..the thing i hate about this thuogh is linux has such shitti 64bit stuff that i ended up having to just stay with the 32bit install and im not about to install gentoo all over again...its such a pain in the ass for gentoo11:57
desrt_gabrielSeveas; because i haven't decided yet11:57
spacenutsSeveas: have you got any clues left for me?11:57
Skaaathe default ubantu partitioner seems to do fine11:57
critterAnyone know of any GUI virus scanner . That actully works ?11:57
Hell-Razordesrt_gabriel: all i really want to do is game, download music, burn/rip dvd's (i mean backup my dvds =), and listen to music11:58
SeveasHell-Razor, stick to windows :p11:58
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Hell-RazorSeveas, so far i have everthing working great...except the gaming part11:58
desrt_gabrielHell-Razor; i doubt ubuntu is right for you, then11:58
Skaaayeah im putting linux on this computer so i can use it as a call of duty server and ventrilo server for my CoD clan11:59
Hell-RazorSeveas, and you couldny pay me to use windows11:59
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Hell-Razordesrt_gabriel, heh well its working great so far11:59
desrt_gabrielgentoo is better at gaming, ripping dvds and listening to music11:59
spacenutsHell-Razor, unlees your satisfied with Mayjong, get a WinPC or a game consoel11:59
SeveasI play lots of games under linux11:59
Seveasit's called programming :)11:59
desrt_gabriel:)11:59
Seveasand debugging :)11:59
Hell-Razorspacenuts, mayjong?11:59
desrt_gabrielgcc - the greatest console of them all11:59
Seveasno!11:59
Seveasgdb :)12:00
topylispacenuts: hey, xgalaga works well. and nethack! :)12:00

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