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looksausQMario, last time I did this, it involved some messing around in a samba config file12:01
looksausbut that was before I bought this ethernet Postscript laser printer12:02
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looksaussorry, can't really help you if you need a more graphical solution12:02
QMarioOh, Thank you anyway :)12:03
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dmoyneI have a question related to permission setting for character device under "/dev" ; can anybody help me ?12:06
rtuckHi guys. I did a kernel upgrade last night with Synaptic and now the machine refuses to boot. I booted the live cd to make menu.lst point to the new kernel but there seems to be a problem with the initrd. it just gives a binfmt-0000 error.12:06
dmoyneI have a question related to permission setting for character device under "/dev" ; can anybody help me ?12:07
umarmungHas anyone in here tried to run the glest port (http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uxsm/glest/) on hoary? I always get - undefined reference to `XF86VidModeQueryVersion' - when I compile it.12:07
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umarmungI think i installed any additional xfffoo-dev packages i could find, but maybe i miss 1? :(12:07
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draskohello...12:08
draskowhere are the iptables config files?12:08
hawke_drasko: there aren't any normally12:08
bob2drasko: please pick *one* channel12:09
bob2drasko: /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian12:09
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mkpAnyone else seeing random hangs (hard lockups) with recent 2.6.10 kernels? Happens on both my desktop (athlon xp) and my laptop (thinkpad x22)? The 2.6.8.1-based kernels are fine in both cases.12:10
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DarthFrogmkp: I installed 2.6.19-k7 this afternoon on my laptop (Duron 1.1 GHz). Seems fine.12:10
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mkpthe lockups are a lot more frequent on my laptop than on the desktop, so I suspect ACPI12:11
bob2what happened when you disabled acpi?12:11
mkpeither that or Radeon12:11
goldfishwhat is the command to update the locate database, i keep forgetting :/12:11
bob2goldfish: updatedb12:11
hawke_goldfish: updatedb12:11
rtuckgoldfish: updatedb, I believe.12:12
goldfishthanks12:12
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mkpbob2: didn't try on the desktop, my laptop is generally unhappy without it.12:12
mkpbob2: in all cases the lockups occur when the box is idle12:12
shekharhello. can anyone help me with a ppc installation of ubuntu on a pbg4 17"?12:12
mkpno screensaver enable12:12
bob2shekhar: not unless you ask a question12:12
occyhey bob2, when hoary becomes stable, I should be able to just s/warthy/hoary/g in my sources.list and apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade right?12:13
shekharbob2: my question is why does the screen freeze after logging into ubuntu? and other questions about network and display config...12:13
mkpBut anyway. Just wanted to know whether anybody else had seen this. Will debug later...12:13
bob2occy: yes12:13
occyk, danke12:13
bob2shekhar: that would be a bug12:13
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shekharbob2: so i thought12:14
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shekharbob2: so is it safe to say ubuntu doesn't work on my mac?12:14
bob2no12:14
bob2it's safe to say you found some bug12:14
shekharbob2: :)12:15
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shekharbob2: how can i help address that?12:15
SiRrUsgood evening fellows12:15
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bob2shekhar: ask on the user list, I guess12:16
bob2assuming no one else has reported that bug in bugzilla12:16
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blizahwhere do you set the screensaver in ubuntu12:17
cavediverCan someone recomend a disk-crypt software included in ubuntu12:17
bryanblizah:  system>preferences>screensaver12:17
bob2cavediver: dm-crypt.12:17
BockBilbobye!12:18
dmoyneI have a question on permission set to character device in /dev that I want to modify ; can anybody help me ?12:18
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Aapzakblizah, you dont set it in ubuntu12:18
dmoyneI have a question on permission set to character device in /dev that I want to modify ; can anybody help me ?12:18
bryanAapzak:  are you on crack or something, buddy?12:19
bob2dmoyne: you only need to ask once12:19
bob2dmoyne: and you need to be less vague12:19
blizahbryan: if ya dont mind me asking how do i get to system?12:19
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Aapzakbryan, screensaver had nothing to do with the core12:19
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Aapzakin gnome you can set screensaver12:19
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blizahaapzak ya know what i meant :D12:20
Aapzakor you can use an other screensaver daemon12:20
Aapzakthought so12:20
blizahfound it12:20
Aapzakit is in the system settings, have you found those yet?12:20
Aapzakkewl12:20
dmoynesimlply I want sg2 to be root:scanner rather than root:disk as set in udev.permissions12:20
blizahi love the bouncing cow screensaver...makes me laugh everytime12:21
eyequeuedmoyne:  chgrp12:21
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AapzakI love screensavers that don't load my cpu :)12:21
PhantomCircuitwould "wget -b -q http://site.com/file.ext > file.ext" ?12:21
Aapzakblack screen it is for me12:21
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moondusthey Aapzak, how'd your upgrade go?12:22
blizahyea but i cant give up the cow :D12:22
Aapzakperfect I think12:22
Aapzakblizah, :)12:22
moondustgood for you12:22
neighborleehey guys..anyone playing with hoary preview release 5.04..i'm wondering what the actual boot time is???12:22
bryanblizah:  last menu on the top panel12:22
bob2depends entirely on hardware12:22
punkrockguy318neighborlee, depends on hardware12:22
SiRrUsneighborlee mine is about the same as aray 612:22
bryan(i'm in hoary, you must be in warty)12:22
AapzakI quit X before upgrade, everything went nice, rebooted and all I had to do was add 1400x1050 for my tft12:22
neighborleepunkrockguy318, piV2.26/gig ram12:22
moondustand on having a net connection12:23
AapzakI did not count, but it boots way faster than Windows XP12:23
neighborleewhattttttt12:23
Aapzakwith working INET12:24
neighborleegez XP boots in like 15 seconds or so12:24
neighborleeand this is faste ? ;-)12:24
Aapzaknot here12:24
neighborleeer12:24
Aapzak:)12:24
neighborleeoh12:24
bob2hoary does not boot in 15 seconds12:24
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rtuckIf you were changing kernels out would you ever have to do anything with binfmt afterwards? Update scripts, alias, anything of that nature?12:24
AapzakI guess my XP is crappy, it takes ages to load12:24
bob2rtuck: if you use ubuntu kernels, no12:24
goldfishso does mine12:24
neighborleewell my system is fast so I guess...12:25
eyequeue"changing kernels out"?12:25
neighborleenot as fast as the nice NEW ones but its fast enough12:25
umarmungHas anyone in here tried to run the glest port (http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uxsm/glest/) on hoary? I always get - undefined reference to `XF86VidModeQueryVersion' - when I compile it. Do i miss some optional xfffoo-dev package?12:25
rtuckeyequeue: Tried to upgrade my kernel to 2.10 k7 last night, system died afterwards. Gives binfmt-000 error on boot.12:25
neighborleeSiRrUs, meaning how fast are you at the desktop compared to say XP12:26
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mellinuxHey everyone, I had a question about dual-booting Ubuntu and winXP. I'm getting an old 10GB hard drive in a few days, and I decided to try and install Ubuntu on it. I have an 80GB Maxtor hard drive I'm using with winXP right now. What on earth do I have to do so it won't screw up my PC?12:26
eyequeuertuck:  no ideas12:26
Aapzakunplug your 80Gb disk12:26
SiRrUsneighborlee not sure if i am following you12:26
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feAR`Maybe someone is using ubuntu on ppc?12:26
feAR`;)12:27
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DarthFrogmellinux:  Probably nothing.  Ubuntu will detect your WinXP installation and add it to the boot menu.12:27
bryanhow do i burn an audio cd from mp3's instead of burning a mp3 cd?12:27
neighborleeSiRrUs, well i wazs wondeing just how fast 'ultra-fast' really is ( compared to XP which for me boots in no more than 20 seconds)12:27
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neighborleeSiRrUs, granted XP isn't as se cure etc.etc. but anyway ;-)12:27
bryanubuntu boots fast12:27
rtuckeyequeue: Thanks anyways. Maybe I can throw in another kernel and modules from over the network with a livecd.12:27
neighborleeyeah hoary seems faster anyway12:27
bryanabout 30 seconds for me (p4 2.8 1024 dual channel RAM12:28
SiRrUsneighborlee I have never timed the boot process my machine stay on usually12:28
neighborleealthough I dont have the preview release12:28
socommXP may not run as many daemons at bootup either.12:28
The-Ghost|afkokay how do i get new hdd's on ubuntu ore can somone point me to a place on forums wher i can find it???12:28
The-Ghost|afkhave lookt all over12:28
neighborleesocomm, yeah I doubt it does exactly12:28
neighborleeSiRrUs, ah ok np..I was just curious12:28
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bryanThe-Ghost|afk:  man mount12:29
SiRrUsneighborlee get the preview, you will like it12:29
Phr0stByteWhy can't I get video when updating to the new kernel? (Hoary)12:29
SiRrUsbe back after dinner12:29
bryanor http://ubuntuguide.org/#mountunmountntfs12:29
The-Ghost|afkthat's ntfs.12:29
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The-Ghost|afkneed to mount ntfs and fat3212:30
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bryanso change ntfs to fat3212:30
The-Ghost|afkubuntu i know can't writgh to ntfs.12:30
TziHi!12:30
The-Ghost|afk:p12:30
neighborleeSiRrUs, so as the fixes come in you just do a upgrade meaning in time you'll have the full release right12:30
farruinnIs there any way to search for documents by date created?12:30
The-Ghost|afkbut it's only ntfs.12:30
The-Ghost|afkwhat about fat32?12:30
bryanlook right under the ntfs section12:30
bryanit says fat3212:30
The-Ghost|afkaha12:30
neighborleealso..can liveCD's yet install to HD ?12:30
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farruinnneighborlee, don't believe so12:31
TziI'm having problems with cups, and latest hoary (updated last night).12:31
TziIf I hit print (test print, for example), the print job appears, reports 'printing' for a few seconds, then disappears without anything happening - No errors, no activity at all..12:31
TziDoes anyone know what could be happening?12:31
poyayanthanks for the release good stuff12:31
farruinnI'm pretty sure that would be pretty big news12:31
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neighborleefarruinn, k thx12:31
neighborleefarruinn, again np ..just curious12:31
neighborleepreview sounds amazing ;-)12:31
The-Ghost|afkthx12:31
The-Ghost|afkof to tray12:31
The-Ghost|afktry12:31
farruinnneighborlee, I *think* the plan is to eventually have a liveDVD that allows that12:32
neighborleewoah12:32
Phr0stByteWhy can't I get video when updating to the new kernel? (Hoary and nVidia card)12:32
neighborleesweeeeeet12:32
TziPhr0stByte: Did you install linux-restricted-modules?12:32
socommPhantomCircuit: You have to update your drivers *every* time you update your kernel.12:32
Aapzakis there anyone here who is against Hoary for a clean install at the moment?12:33
neighborleefarruinn, do you know if upgrading as I go with preview will get me up to final stable release ?12:33
Phr0stByteTzi: Duh - no12:33
farruinnneighborlee, yeah, as long as your sources.list has hoary you'll eventually be in stable once hoary goes stable12:33
Phr0stByteThanx12:33
jesuelnew screenshot :) : http://members.dslextreme.com/users/sjgerman/images/screenshot.png12:33
TziPhr0stByte: ;)12:33
farruinnso apparently ext3 fs don't store data about date created?12:34
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mellinuxDarthFrog: Did you say that Ubuntu will automatically take care of the dual-booting for me? If so, does it let me select what I want to boot every time I power up my PC?12:34
neighborleefarruinn, as I figured..ok thx man12:35
farruinnmellinux, last I knew it doens't, but you just have to uncomment some stuff in your grub.conf I think12:35
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farruinnmellinux, but once it's configured you can hit esc during boot to choose ubuntu or windows12:35
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Aapzakmellinux, in Hoary there is a GUI for your bootloader in which you can select your default OS12:35
l0wrdI cant get my sound working.12:35
farruinnAapzak, ooh, that's a good additoin12:36
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Aapzakyeah grubmanager is great12:36
mellinuxUncomment? What is that?12:36
Aapzakouch mellinux12:36
Aapzak:)12:36
farruinnmellinux, n/m, ignore that part - use grubmanager :D12:36
Aapzaklol12:36
mellinuxHahaha, okay.12:36
Aapzakfarruinn, grubmanager has to be started from CLI12:37
mellinuxHey now, leave me be. I've used Windows something or other for years, and I've decided to walk towards the light lately.12:37
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Aapzakso I'm not sure :)12:37
jesuelmellinux: congrats. :)12:37
Aapzakmellinux, give it a try, but be really carefull during install12:37
socommmellinux: If you see a light run like hell in the opposite direction.12:38
Tzihttp://rafb.net/paste/results/I6VaGZ90.html12:38
TziThat's the cups log..12:38
mellinuxYeah man. I installed Warty on an old PII laptop with <200MB of RAM and it worked fine, but I want to try it out on a 2Ghz+/1GB RAM machine.12:38
farruinnso has no one else has ever tried searching for a file by date created?12:38
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AapzakI mean for your windows install12:38
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jesuelmellinux: warty or hoary with 2ghz / +1gb ram is just beautiful.12:38
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jesuelIt gives a new meaning to fast.12:39
mellinuxSo I've heard.. that's why I'm rediculously eager12:39
mellinuxand I'm tired of Window's spy/ad/malware12:39
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mellinux..which sucks. Balls.12:39
jesuelmellinux: yah. Its really hard to stop that stuff from getting installed.12:39
mellinuxDoes Ubuntu support dual-montiors?12:39
mellinuxMonitors... yay for engrish.12:39
jesuelmellinux: You can configure Dual monitors12:39
Aapzakwindows spyware is the best thing that ever happened to linux :)12:39
jesuelIve got a quad monitor setup @ work12:40
farruinnAapzak, haha, that's going in my signature ;)12:40
l0wrdcan anyone help me with a sound question?12:40
mellinuxHahahahaha good call man...12:40
jesuelAapzak: damm straight.12:40
toerlihow can i get x.org an ati fglrx running? i xorg-driver-fglrx etc... problem is that i need a xorg.conf in which i can set driver to "fglrx". how can i create such a xorg.conf? Xorg -configure didn't work for me12:40
QMarioWhere do I find the samba configuration file?12:40
mellinuxI told someone to get Ad-aware 6 and Spybot for their PC one time, and I told them to go ahead and get Microsoft's anti-spyware program too12:40
jesueltoerli: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf12:41
mellinuxthe linux-user said, "Don't worry about all that, just get linux."12:41
mellinuxwahahahaha12:41
bob2toerli: er, wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto12:41
jesuelmellinux: lol so true.12:41
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zenwhenANyone in here running an athlon64? if so what motherboard are you using, and is everything supported?12:41
jesuelbob2: btw. transparency. Answer is xcompmgr. Look it up :)12:42
toerlijesuel: there is no xorg.conf...there was a xorg.conf but that was only a copy of Xf86Config-412:42
bob2jesuel: duh12:42
jesuelzenrox: a64 here.12:42
bob2jesuel: on Debian it's not possible12:42
mellinuxOff tangent, I tried out Ubuntu on my Pentium II dinosaur of a laptop and I wound up preferring to boot up the laptop in the mornings instead of winXP 2Ghz+ and a gig of RAM... that says a lot.12:42
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bob2jesuel: remember, you were bothering us in #debian12:42
zenwhenjesuel, what motherboard?12:42
jesuelasus uh....forget the model ..12:42
zenwhenI am shopping around for a good socket 754 a64 motherboard for use with ubuntu12:43
jesuelbob2: so possible in ubuntu, just not in debian.12:43
mellinuxIs it possible to use an iPod with Ubuntu? I need something that enjoys working with AAC files without encoding them.. and while we're at it what the heck is OGG?12:44
zenwhenmellinux, I use a 266Mhz P2 laptop with hoary myself.12:44
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jesuelzenwhen: got a friend using a shuttle socket 754 mobo. Works just peachy too.12:44
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bob2jesuel: the distro is irelevant except insomuch ubuntu has x.org and Debian doesn't12:44
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socommmellinux: I don't know if any Open Source AAC de/encoders.12:44
bob2mellinux: ogg is a container format like avi12:44
socommmellinux: Your best bet would be to go with MP3.12:45
jesuelbob2: oh, I see.12:45
bob2mellinux: vorbis is a Free and free lossy audio compression system, like mp312:45
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mellinuxYikes. All my music is in ACC format... time for research.12:46
bob2AAC is a terrible format to rip things to12:46
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mellinuxWhy?12:46
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bob2because it's proprietary12:46
mellinuxI've got ~1.1K songs at 4 gigs.12:46
bob2you could do the same with any other codec12:47
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bob2what happens if thet get anal about the patent?12:47
bob2you might not be able to play your music at all12:47
mellinuxHow big would a 4 minute song at 128kbps in OGG format run at?12:48
bob2um12:48
bob2think about it, dude12:48
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bob24 * 60 * 128 * 102412:48
bob2same as if it's AAC12:48
bob2or mp312:48
bob2or wav12:48
mellinuxHm...12:49
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mellinuxSo OGG doesn't crush it down any smaller?12:49
bob2dude12:49
bob2did you read what you wrote?12:49
bob2you're specifying the bit rate12:49
bob2the bit rate defines how big a file is for a certain length12:49
Aapzaktrue12:50
bob2"I want a 6 foot long piece of wood that's only 4 inches long"12:50
mellinuxWow, settle down.12:50
Aapzakalso true12:50
mellinuxJust wondering, I've never heard of OGG formats until today12:50
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bob2I'm just trying to explain why your question makes no sense :)12:50
l0wrdwhere can i get some tech support?12:50
Aapzaklisten bob2, I get the feeling mellinux is a new linux friend, so please be nice12:51
farruinnl0wrd, try asking a specific question12:51
bob2Aapzak: eh? no doubt.12:51
l0wrdfarruinn, i have.  i dont have any sound, and i need to know how i can setup a sound card with Linux12:51
l0wrdfarruinn, ive asked 5 times.12:51
bob2but it's not a linux question12:51
bob2l0wrd: ask on the mailing list12:51
Aapzakbob2, I know, but it's related to 'our' way of thinking12:52
l0wrdbob2, thanks for the offer.12:52
mellinuxHah, this reads like I'm entering a cult.12:52
l0wrdmellinux, you are.12:52
asubedihow to generate locales for another language?12:52
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Aapzakwell mellinux, some if us are concerned about open standard and free software12:53
rtuckmellinux: You mean you didn't shave your head when doing the install? ~_^12:53
Aapzaksome of12:53
Aapzak:)12:53
QMarioIs StoffBox-Steve still here?12:53
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QMarioIf so, how do I share a printer over the network?12:53
mellinuxNaw, man. I only buzzed it.12:53
QMarioWhat does the ldd command do?12:54
l0wrdim missing the alsaconf command, where can i get it?  all of the ALSA packages installed tha im aware of.12:54
AapzakI really do care about open standards and totally agree with bob2 on using ogg and not some other propreitary stuff12:54
SiRrUsrtuck I did were we not supposed to?12:54
bob2QMario: show which libraries a binary wants at runtime12:54
desrtok.  usb woes are gone12:54
l0wrddesrt: hows you fix it?12:54
desrti think one of the ubuntu kernel patches is crackrock12:54
jesuelheh, my head has been shaved for a few years now :)12:54
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desrti reverted back to my gentoo kernel and now it doesn't crash anymore12:54
l0wrddest: what version?12:55
cwilluSegmentation faults on several programs, including synaptic, mozilla, nautilus, etc...  How do I begin to troubleshoot?12:55
l0wrddesrt: what version?12:55
desrtnow using 2.6.11-rc4 ala gentoo12:55
desrti also fixed my evo problems12:55
desrtreally, the only thing that's left to fix is why the heck i have no sound12:55
l0wrddesrt: im gonna go back to 2.6.7 and compile alsa manually.12:55
desrtl0wrd; try installing ogg12312:55
mellinuxOh, I get where you're coming from, bob2. You'd prefer using free, open-source codecs because they're not patented/copyrighted, rather than because they sound better.12:55
bob2l0wrd: try a supported ubuntu kernel12:55
desrtsee if you can play music directly or if it's a gstreamer problem12:56
bob2mellinux: vorbis certainly spanks mp312:56
bob2mellinux: I'm not sure how it compares to AAC12:56
l0wrdbob2, whats what im usig now.12:56
mellinuxvorbis... ?12:56
bob2mellinux: the codec you keep refering to as "ogg"12:56
mellinuxGotcha.12:56
l0wrdbob2, if you dont wanna help me out, please dont address me.12:56
bob2mellinux: ogg is a container, like avi.  vorbis is an audio codec.12:56
desrtbob; a couple of people have done surveyes that say ogg beats aac/mpeg412:56
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bob2l0wrd: whatever12:56
rtuckmellinux: The full name of the codec is ogg vorbis.12:56
desrtbob; but not by as wide of a margin as it beats mp312:56
bob2desrt: ah, interesting12:56
jesuelbetween aac and ogg. I actually prefer ogg vorbis to aac for sound quality.12:56
desrtlemme see if i can find one12:57
mellinuxIt takes time to learn a completely new language; like in this case, linux.12:57
mellinuxOgg Vorbis? Is that somebody's name or what?12:57
QMarioDoes anyone know how to share a printer over a network?12:57
resiakmellinux: xiph.org12:57
rtuckmellinux: Hai, hai. Warkarimasen.12:57
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cwilluShare with what clients?12:57
QMarioWindows clients.12:57
socommQMario: samba12:58
cwilluYou'd need to setup/configure samba... this probably isn't the best place for help for that12:58
dazedhello all12:58
QMarioWhere can I get additional help?12:58
jesuel'lo dazed12:58
cwilluThe config should be about the same for any distro, so any samba faq's/tutorials you find should be simple to use12:58
mellinuxrtuck, hablo solo un poco espaol, lo siento.12:58
desrthttp://ff123.net/128test/interim.html12:58
cwillugoogle for share printer samba12:58
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QMarioThank you cwilu.:)12:59
cwillucan anybody give me a hand figuring out why applications seem to close on their own/segfault?12:59
jesuelWhich application(s)?12:59
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mellinuxDoes Ubuntu work well with other computers on the same router/hub/switch?01:00
bob2mellinux: of course01:00
mellinuxDang, I meant winXP computers.01:00
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jesuelmellinux: yeah.01:00
cwillusynaptic, mozilla, nautilus, to name a few01:00
HiddenWolfwill a hardware raid of 2 sata disks on an nforce4 give me any problem as a main disk?01:00
bob2of course01:00
mellinuxMultitasking here.01:00
jesuelmellinux: it works just peachy01:00
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bob2HiddenWolf: it's not actually hardware RAID01:00
mellinuxhmm.01:00
desrtsigh01:00
desrti can't find the one i was looking at beforfe01:00
desrtit had nice graphs and everything01:01
desrteveryone seems to agree, though, that ogg beats out aac01:01
l0wrdHiddenWolf, probably cause nforce sucks01:01
cwilluI'm running hoary right now, but warty had the same problem;  I've already tried reinstalling01:01
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HiddenWolfbob2: can I run a sata-raid on nforce4 for / ?01:01
mellinuxYou know what? I almost refuse to believe that people program this killer operating system with all these applications on it for FREE. It's mind-boggling.01:01
jesuellol01:01
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Aapzak:)01:01
mellinuxRock on.01:01
mellinuxIt just puts a smile on your face, you know?01:01
Aapzakbusiness models are mostly based on selling support01:02
jesuelIts not thats its free, some people may have gotten paid for their development along the way from their employer or another way. And the Source code for that was developed as open source and made free as well01:02
cwilluand I have another (much different) machine which is running fine01:02
error_29I prefer ogg vorbis too; where the pain comes in however, is in having to convert all one's mp3s to that format01:02
Aapzakso the money comes from companies who buy support on an OS01:02
desrthttp://music.tinfoil.net/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=66001:03
desrthere's another01:03
desrtthe one i'm looking for had neat graphs with error bars on them01:03
mjrconvertin mp3s to vorbis isn't really a good idea01:03
desrtif anyone finds it, plz let me know01:03
jesuelerror_29: I just ripped my cd's to ogg instead of converting. No loss in quality then.01:03
mjryou lose quality twise01:03
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mjrtwice01:03
Aapzakogg vorbis won't play in my carstereo, so I still have to settle for mp301:03
jesuelAapzak: ouch.01:03
Aapzakyes :(01:04
jesuelmine plays mp3's just fine, thank god01:04
bryangnomebaker is working well :D01:04
Aapzakmine plays mp3, not ogg01:04
jesuelwhat headunit?01:04
error_29jesuel, yes.  But accumulated .mp3s... years' worth, ouch.01:04
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cwillu:(01:04
Aapzakcheap clarion01:04
metalskyhey, i just installed Ubuntu for the first time last night -- could anyone here help me figure out how to get GCC working?01:04
jesuelerror_29: about 600 cd's worth here.01:04
bryanflack > vorbis01:04
bob2metalsky: install build-essential01:04
bryanflac*01:04
bob2FLAC01:04
zenwhensudo apt-get install build-essential01:04
desrtbryan; not even the same category01:04
metalskythx01:05
jesuelAapzak: alpine f1 here.01:05
bob2but FLAC has a different aim to vorbis01:05
desrtthat's like saying wav > jpeg01:05
bob2well, TIFF > JPEG01:05
AapzakFLAC = lossless01:05
bryanhardly, they're both audio01:05
bob2is a better analogy01:05
socommFLAC = Ownage.01:05
Aapzakonly 50% compression01:05
metalskythat did it, thanks guys :)01:05
desrtbob; i was trying to exagerate :)01:05
cwillumy turn?01:05
HrdwrBoBbob2: png > jpog01:05
HrdwrBoBjpg01:05
zenwhenWhat does one install in hoary to play dvd's I dont see libdvdcss01:05
error_29I love FLAC, but disk space isn't infinite...01:05
zenwhen?01:05
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cwillubecause I could just stick with winxp if I didn't mind random application errors :p01:06
Aapzakerror_29, my point exactly01:06
zenwhenI have universe and multiverse enabled01:06
bryanzenwhen:  gstreamer0.8-plugins01:06
zenwhenOh01:06
AapzakI still prefer xvid over dvd for that reason01:06
jesuelzenwhen: ubuntuguide.org, read under the alternate nerim.net rep's01:06
zenwhenits in gsreamer now01:06
zenwhen?01:06
bryansudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins01:06
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jesuelzenrox: libdvdcss2 is not included in any of the ubuntu rep's sadly.01:07
cwillusudo apt-get install MakeSynapticEtAlStopCrashing01:07
jesuelerr zenwhen ;p01:07
bryancwillu:  what's the problem?01:07
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cwilluOn my other machine (a laptop), synaptic, mozilla, etc randomly close (one program complained of a seg fault don't know if it was related)01:08
error_29Something I can't understand with the licensing issues, is why my .avi files, made with xvid, are excluded from the "legal" release.  .xvid is open!01:08
cwilluI've had this issue on warty and hoary, even after a reinstall01:08
cwilluoff a pressed cd or downloaded image01:08
mellinuxMan, that old hard drive can't come soon enough.01:08
bryani couldn't play dvd's on hoary untill i did the above command01:08
error_29I meant to say " why my .avi files won't play"...01:08
bob2zenwhen: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats01:08
bob2HiddenWolf: http://linux.yyz.us/sata/faq-sata-raid.html01:09
The-Ghost|afk"bash: sudu: command not found"  ????????????????????????????????????????????+01:09
bob2cwillu: possible you have bad ram/disk01:09
bob2The-Ghost|afk: "sudo"01:09
cwillumemtest came back clear01:09
The-Ghost|afkhehe01:09
The-Ghost|afkops01:09
The-Ghost|afkaha01:09
bob2error_29: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats01:09
The-Ghost|afkthx.01:09
bob2error_29: xvid is Free Software, but uses patented technology01:09
zenwhenjesuel, does the nerim.net have just a few shady packages? I dont want to mix in a lot of unsupported non ubuntu packages01:09
cwilluand the scan disk associated with the partitioning when I did it came back clear as well (although I'll double check that)01:09
HrdwrBoBzenwhen: there is only a few packages there01:10
zenwhenok01:10
bob2cwillu: you ran memtest86?01:10
Aapzakgood question01:10
jesuelzenwhen: the link that bob2 posted owrks just as well01:10
cwilluyes01:10
error_29thanks bob2; i assume the culprit is divx, and they're having "de-opened" (?) er, closed the project...01:10
jesuels/owrks/works01:10
cwilluI swear  by that program :)01:10
error_29shit, I can't type tonight.01:11
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sleeperhi01:11
jesuelerror_29: you either.01:11
cwilluand used bootitng for the partitioning (dual with an xp partition that i can't lose quite yet)01:11
sleeperi need one program similar to autocad01:11
sleeperwho can i use?01:11
Aapzakcwillu, is your windows still stable?01:11
cwilluyse01:11
cwilluyes01:11
bob2error_29: no, mpeg-4 is heavily patented01:11
bryani have a bunch of tv episodes in xvid from HR HDVT source and they play on hoary01:11
socommsleeper: I hear that Microsoft has a wicked program called paint.01:12
bob2like, up the wazoo01:12
bob2another good reason to use Free codecs like ...01:12
sleeperwindows?01:12
bob2Ogg Theora!01:12
sleeperi need for ubuntu01:12
Aapzakcwillu, maybe not the hardware then01:12
cwilluI'm doing development on xp, i.e., using all 512 megs of ram and most of the disk before I repartitioned01:12
bob2sleeper: qcad's the only Free one I know of01:12
tritiumsleeper, perhaps qcad01:12
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bob2sleeper: presumably autocad/etc have linux ports01:12
bob2since I'm pretty sure they all started on unix01:12
jesuelI *believe* there is a version of autocad direct from autodesk that is native or has linux binaries.01:12
error_29I didn't realize that,bob2. thanks for the info.01:12
sleeperok01:12
Aapzakcwillu, too exotic hardware for Ubuntu?01:12
sleeperthx01:12
sleeperi will try01:12
socommbob2: Now if only we can convince warez dudes to conver to open standards. :^)01:13
cwilluit's a 3 year old laptop;  I've had mandrake and redhat on it before with no issues other than no support for the modem and an initial xfree86 misconfig01:13
rtucksocomm: That's easy, just put the standards in a zip file with a password on it.01:13
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Aapzakcwillu, P1?01:13
cwilluathlonxp200001:14
cwillu512meg, 40gig01:14
Aapzakpretty std hardware01:14
eb0xI'm having trouble with my sound .. i read somewhere that the problems with sound on ubuntu is turning a lot of people away.... how do I fix my sound,01:14
eb0xUbuntu possibly isnt detecting my sound card or something01:14
cwillujust starting a surface scan on it to make sure, but I'm pretty sure its clear01:14
Aapzakcwillu, stability issues are the worst of all :(01:15
cwilluyou're telling me :p01:15
Aapzakmy workstation mobo died yesterday,01:15
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Aapzakor power supply, not sure yet :(01:16
psai_has anybody experiance with slow nfs transfer speeds (hoary)01:16
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bob2eb0x: no, I don't think it's a serious problem for many people01:16
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bob2eb0x: do you have more than one sound card01:16
bob2?01:16
Aapzaktried proc, mem and hd in other machine, no crashes. after placing everything back the damned thing does not even prduce video anymore01:16
eb0xno i dont01:16
mellinuxA family friend's Dell just quit working a few months ago, I went over and everything looked in place, so I went and got a new power supply, plugged it in, and it worked. Dell said she had a virus and needed a new PC.01:16
cwilluis there a failsafe (i.e., 2.4 or something) kernel for ubuntu I could try?01:16
HrdwrBoB2.4 is not recommended for ubuntu01:17
cwillulol:  "had a virus" = "needs new pc"01:17
mellinuxI hate Dell.01:17
socommcwillu: Yes.01:17
QMarioWhy?01:17
bob2eb0x: on board card? tv card?01:17
jesuelmellinux: thats the wonder new technical support from india dell is using01:17
cwilluwhere would I get this?01:17
eb0xits inside my computer01:17
socommcwillu: At boot press escape or something.01:17
eb0xCreative SoundBlaster LIVE! series01:17
cwillufailsafe kernel?01:17
mellinuxHahaha yeah man, yay for outsourcing jobs.01:17
error_29Oh man, what a pleasure to install RealPlayer in linux!  none of that crap that Real puts one through with Windows!01:17
socommcwillu: Yes, it'll who up in a menu at boot.01:17
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error_29(though I still hate Real)01:18
cwilluokay... the menu already comes up (dual boot with xp)01:18
jesuelmellinux: yep01:18
cwillujust gonna let the scan finish first01:18
Aapzakerror_29, thats new since version 10, thatone really rocks!!01:18
eb0xI tried updating it from the site, but according to them [Creative]  there are no updates available for Linux01:18
bob2eb0x: ignore creative's site01:18
mellinuxThose Dell commercials showing the nice, attractive, and young mid-20s female are so full of bullshit it makes my blood boil.01:18
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bob2eb0x: what does 'lsmod | grep emu10k1' print?01:19
mellinuxNot being racist here, but it's the truth.01:19
jesuelmellinux: lol yah01:19
fr500hello01:19
error_29Soundblaster Live should work fine ebOx01:19
cwilluif that works around it, are there any common workarounds for the 2.6 kernels from 2.4?01:19
fr500how can i ping several ip addresses? i want to load the addresses from a file01:19
The-Ghost|afkknow what errors=remount means?? it's standing on hda1.01:19
jesuelI just pray everyday that my isp doesnt outsource support to india.01:19
mellinuxI called them and they don't even help you, the only read out of a book that says, "Turn to page 25, part C if the customer answers 'yes.'"01:19
jesuelmy old isp did, and they went to shit.01:19
Aapzakeb0x, that cards also supports hardware mixing, I'd say it;s one of the cards you'd want in your linux system01:20
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error_29mellinux, I have to admit that the happy happy people in some of the ubuntu pics inexplicably annoy me too01:20
eyequeueThe-Ghost|afk:  afk?01:20
eb0xeb0x@ubuntu:~ $ lsmod | grep emu10k101:20
eb0xeb0x@ubuntu:~ $01:20
desrtubuntu needs apt-get install i-dont-care-if-its-non-free-software-just-make-my-computer-work01:20
mellinuxWhat was your old ISP, jesuel?01:20
eyequeueThe-Ghost|afk:  in the case of errors remount01:20
jesuelold isp was sbc01:20
The-Ghost|afkeyequeue can i pm?01:20
error_29maybe 'cause I'm twice their age, and cranky about it ;(01:20
eyequeuek01:20
mellinuxHahahahah error_29, you mean the gay, shirtless Mr. Clean on the frontpage?01:20
mellinuxhttp://www.ubuntulinux.org/login.jpeg01:20
mellinuxHe's on the bottom left01:20
error_29well, I'm glad you said it... :)01:21
cwilluhe's holding on to two half-naked chicks... are you really sure he's gay?01:21
mellinuxOooh, good point.01:21
jesuelI moved into verizon territory, so now i have verizon. its the fios service. So i cant even get a reseller. I have to deal with verizon's support.01:21
bob2eb0x: sure it's a sb live?01:21
mellinuxHey, at least now we know that Ubuntu covers all its bases.01:21
eb0xI'm almost positive01:21
eb0xI went into Device Manager01:21
mellinuxGays, lesbians, and porn.01:21
eb0xAnd it had SB Live! in there01:21
jesuellol mellinux01:21
error_29I mean, they really should stick some ugly old people in there too.  Or some kids01:21
mellinuxWhat?01:21
bob2mellinux: please?01:21
bob2mellinux: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct01:21
eb0xBut the card came with my computer01:22
QMarioCan SWAT help me share printers easily?01:22
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error_29This 20 something fetishism gets boring.  I don't care about the sexual prefs01:22
bob2eb0x: try 'sudo modprobe snd_emu10k1'01:22
mellinuxErrr.. I have no idea what to say01:22
mellinuxSorry.01:22
cwilluqmario, xp clients mostly?01:22
bob2amen, error_2901:22
QMarioYes01:22
Aapzakwon't lspci -v tell us exactly whats in eb0x' machine?01:22
cwillucups is probably the easiest way then01:22
QMarioHow do I do that?01:22
bob2Aapzak: even lspci is enough01:23
cwilluipp printing;  under xp you connect to the linux printer via local printer | url01:23
eb0xroot@ubuntu:/home/eb0x # sudo modprobe snd_emu10k101:23
eb0xroot@ubuntu:/home/eb0x #01:23
Aapzakbob2, will it tell chipset info as well then?01:23
error_29seriously, I first heard about ubuntu because somebody was writing about how he set it up for his grandma.  I say, put grandma in an ubuntu t-shirt and get a testimonial.01:23
QMarioIt can't find the printer on the network.01:23
bob2Aapzak: it will show the pci id and name, which is usually enough01:23
bryani'm a little late, but the guy on that login.jpg (among other ubuntu artwork) is the ugliest motherfucker i think i've ever seen01:23
bob2Aapzak: thanks for the reminder, I forgot about :)01:24
eb0xFor the lspci01:24
mellinuxBleh, my grandmother has a Dell.01:24
eb0xIt came back with 2 things01:24
eb0xwell01:24
bob2bryan: thanks for the input01:24
eb0xmore than 201:24
Aapzakbob2, true, true01:24
mellinuxI'm going to stick some more RAM in it.01:24
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eb0xbut 2 things pertaining to my sound card01:24
eb0xlol01:24
mellinux128MB doesn't work too well with winXP01:24
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socommDell hell.01:24
Methiashi guyts01:24
jesuel128 with xp?01:24
jesuelomg01:24
mellinuxTell me about it.01:24
Methiaslisten i need help with application removal01:24
jesuelI couldnt even run 98 with 12801:24
mellinuxThe poor thing took forever to boot up AOL.01:24
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mellinuxYes, she has AOL.01:24
eb0xbob2: http://nopaste.biz/?122201:24
jesuellol01:25
Methiasare any of you familiar with editpad by JGSoft?01:25
mellinuxI know, it's the cream of the crap01:25
jesueloh yeah01:25
jesueldialup right?01:25
mellinuxbut it's her only choice.01:25
mellinuxYeah..01:25
bob2Methias: if you installed something from outside ubuntu, it's best to talk to whoever made it for help01:25
eb0x0000:02:02.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs [SB Live! Value]  EMU10k1X01:25
eb0x0000:02:02.1 Input device controller: Creative Labs [SB Live! Value]  Input device controller01:25
jesuel800x600 resolution or worse on a 14 or 15inch monitor too?01:25
Aapzakeb0x, thats a live! allright01:25
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mellinuxSo does Hoary come out in early April, or have they not set a release date yet?01:25
eb0x^_^01:25
Methiasbob2:  well - canty i just remove the directory?01:25
mellinuxNo, it's 1024xwhatever but it's a small monitor01:26
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jesuelmellinux: figures. Yuck01:26
mellinuxand I'm going to perform some surgery on it next week, it's spring break so I have some extra time.01:26
mellinuxHang on just a second...01:26
zbowlingthe 2.6.10-4 kernel is broken for me01:26
zbowlingkernel panic, can't mount vfs blah blah blah01:27
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bob2mellinux: there's been a set release date since september01:27
bob2er, july, I guess01:27
mellinuxOh, what is it?01:27
jesuelI refuse to use anything less than a 17 inch monitor, except my laptop which is a 15.4 widescreen01:27
Aapzakwhich is nice01:28
AapzakI have SXGA, nice as well01:28
mellinuxWord, jesuel. I have a 17" CRT and a 17" LCD.01:28
bob2mellinux: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule01:28
mellinuxViewsonic and Sharp01:28
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jesuelnot sure what my laptop resolution is. actually01:28
zbowlingjust fyi.. i build my own kernels since they started moving things around in the 2.6.9+ tree for pcmcia and stuff and I need to keep my wifi card working. I have some orinoco/prism patches to allow for scanning/monitoring on 2.6 if you guys want to patch01:28
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jesuel1440x1050 is...01:28
eb0xbob2: Do you know what else I can do?01:28
mellinuxthey work nice paired, and I know one of both sounds odd, but the way I have my desk worked out makes the CRT + LCD work.01:28
jesuelreally have no idea what that is classified as.01:29
bob2eb0x: what does 'lsmod | grep emu10' print now?01:29
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jesuelcrt+lcd? interesting01:29
Aapzakboys and girls, it has been a pleasure, but I have to work tomorrow, cu around, happy Ubuntu'ing!01:29
error_29I've got an old 20" mitsubishi crt; gorgeous for tv and dvds.  pain in the ass to move though.01:29
eb0xbob2: Resluts are at http://nopaste.biz/?122301:29
mellinuxYeah, man.01:29
mellinuxLater man, thanks for the help.01:29
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Aapzakwelcome ...01:30
mellinuxHeh, error, mine is hard to move too.01:30
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jesuelerror_29: heh, my upstairs computer has a 22inch mitsubishi monitor on it. That thing just about broke my back when I last moved it.01:30
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bob2eb0x: does "alsaplayer" or whatever work now?01:30
mellinuxoof01:30
error_29like 70 pounds!  Only needed degaussing once.  Got it free as a bribe to keep me from murdering my old roommates cats.01:31
jesuelAnd the only person that uses that computer 99% of the time is my daughter01:31
mellinuxI have a picture of my workspace on hardocp.com's forums, hang on a second.01:31
eb0xalsaplayer?01:31
jesuellol error01:31
eb0xI dont know what that is01:31
eb0xBut when I try to go into Volume Control or anything01:31
eb0xI get Sorry, no mixer elements and/or devices found01:31
jesuelNow if i can get my daughter to use linux ill be happy.01:32
mellinuxWhat does it run on right now, and how old is she?01:32
mellinuxI'll be damned if I can get my sister to use even Firefox01:32
jesuelher machine is a dual p3 1ghz with 2gb ram01:32
QMarioWhen you change the configuration file, do you need to reboot the computer?01:32
mellinuxmuch less any linux distro.01:32
jesuelits my old workstation.01:33
mellinuxThat rapes01:33
error_29heh, usually it's the kids trying to get mom and dad to run linux, isn't it?01:33
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jesueloh, she's 11 btw01:33
sh1mmerIf I deselect xorg-common with apt will that remove gnome and all the run level 5 apps?01:33
jesuellol error :)01:33
bob2mellinux: language please01:33
mellinuxHaha, good point.01:33
QMarioDoes anyone know the answer to my previous question?01:33
bob2QMario: depends what config file it is01:33
bob2sh1mmer: no01:33
QMarioSAMBA01:33
bob2QMario: then no, just restart samba01:33
bob2QMario: sudo invoke-rc.d samba restart01:33
sh1mmerbob2 any suggestions?01:34
error_29lol, mellinux.  I wish I could get my workplace to use firefox.  And the bastards keep nagging us about viruses and security!01:34
bob2sh1mmer: "run level 5 apps" is a redhat-ism, too01:34
bob2sh1mmer: if you mean "all programs which use xlibs", then remove xlibs itself01:34
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QMariosudo invoke-rc.d samba restart01:35
jesuelhmm, I think im just gonna install linux on the upstairs computer. Its mine anyway. :)01:35
jesuelShe only uses webbrowsing anyhow.01:35
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eb0xmeh01:35
QMarioHow do I know if my printer attached to my Linux computer is shared?01:35
membreyahmmm anyone else running the new clearlooks theme?01:35
eb0xi dont know what to do ;(01:35
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QMarioWhat does "meh" mean?01:35
tritiumQMario, have you read through the docs in /usr/share/doc/cupsys ?01:35
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eb0xi dunno its just a word01:35
gillesWhat is the filesystem used by ubuntu ?01:36
jesuelerror_29: HAHAAH01:36
bob2gilles: ext3, by default01:36
tritiumQMario, particularly, the README.Debian01:36
bob2you can of course use something else if you prefer01:36
jesuelerror_29: dont forget to autohide the taskbar01:36
bob2eb0x: it should work now01:36
error_29yes, jesuel, could catch ! lol01:36
cwilluhey, um, exactly how was the failsafe mode supposed to help me trouble shoot x applications closing?01:36
bob2it won't01:37
cwilluthats what I thought :)01:37
cwilluso.... is there another kernel I can try then?01:37
eb0xit doesnt though :x01:37
bob2eb0x: ignore gnome01:37
jdubof course01:37
error_29believe me, nobody where i work knows how to use a right click menu, they'd never figure it out...01:37
bob2eb0x: try alsaplayer or such01:37
jdubif you use anything other than ext301:37
djstjust installed the preview release, seems to be working great01:37
jdubyou are crazy :)01:37
djsttempted to switch from vidalinux01:37
eb0xI tried the sound thing01:37
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=== Funraiser just got a 10 Mega ADSL connection :-)
jesuel10mbit adsl?01:39
Funraiseryep01:39
mjrthat'd be rate-limited adsl2 then?01:39
jesueluhm... doesnt the protocol max out @ 8mbit download and 1mbit?01:39
mjrthat's why01:39
mjranyway, nice01:39
bob2jesuel: adsl201:39
jesueloh hum.01:39
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jesuelive got 15mbit download/2mbit upload fios from verizon01:40
cafuegobob2: What do you mean, pick one channel?01:40
Funraisernice01:40
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bob2cafuego: you're evil01:40
Funraiseronly 256 up though01:40
jesuelthat with a /29 ip block for 99 a month.01:40
jesuelim happy01:40
mellinuxjeeze.01:41
Funraiser29 a month here01:41
jesuel29...01:41
jesuelthats cheap.01:41
bob2a /29 in .au costs you one of cafuego's arms01:41
mellinuxI'm at 3.2mbit up/ .32mbit down01:41
Funraiseri know01:41
jesuellol bob201:41
cwillucan nobody give me any troubleshooting advice?01:41
jesuela /29 is enough for me though01:41
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tritiumcwillu, for what?01:42
cafuegobob2: I got a free /29 with my permanent link from Connect.com.au - and they also gave me a /27 when I asked for one (free).01:42
bob2cwillu: I'd strongly suspect bad ram unless you ran memtest86 for a day01:42
cwilluapplications close / segfault01:42
jesuelisp does offer 30mbit download/5mbit upload. but its 200 a month. too much.01:42
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cwilluwhich I have01:42
HrdwrBoBhaha we have a 20mb link01:42
bob2cafuego: for $5000/month01:42
cwilluand suffer no instability under xp under heavy laod01:42
urikhey01:42
HrdwrBoBwe pay 30k/month01:42
HrdwrBoBor something like that01:42
urikanyone up for a quick q?01:42
bob2cwillu: is the kernel oopsing?01:42
cwillu?01:43
sh1mmerdon't make me hop on the uni's backbone01:43
urikis there any reason ubuntu wouldent boot streight into x on boot?01:43
jesuel20mbit link 30k a month?01:43
HrdwrBoBurik: yes, lots01:43
bob2urik: if it couldn't configure X automatically01:43
jesuelomg thats alot.01:43
bob2jesuel: this is .au01:43
jesueloh01:43
HrdwrBoBjesuel: welcome to australia01:43
bob2jesuel: bandwidth is expensive01:43
cafuegobob2: Nah, not $5000. $300.01:43
Funraiserplus bittorent only give you what...100 kB/s...01:43
cwilluoopsing?01:43
bob2well, commercial bandwidth01:43
sh1mmerI wish shdsl prices would drop in the uk01:43
jesuelbob2: oh i know bandwith is expensive ;p01:43
bob2residential stuff is pretty damn cheap01:43
urikx works perfectly when I type startx01:43
urikjust not on booy01:43
urikboot*01:43
bob2urik: is it a default install01:43
bob2?01:43
HrdwrBoBin the US, $3k/month will get you 100mbit and 3-4 racks01:43
urikyes01:44
bob2cwillu: paste the output of dmesg to #flood01:44
jesuelHrdwrBoB: yup.01:44
urikjust installed it onto my laptop01:44
Slavengraphical frontends for mysql?01:44
Slavenpreferably qt01:44
HrdwrBoBSlaven: mysqlcc01:44
HrdwrBoBis in qt01:44
Slavenbut gtk2 is nice too01:44
cwilluhmm01:44
cwilluthat neccesitates copying it over from the machine... one sec01:44
Funraiser100 mega for 30$/month in US?01:44
SlavenHrdqrBoB: Nice. Thanks.01:44
HrdwrBoBFunraiser: $300001:44
Funraiseroh01:45
jesuel100mbit for 30 a month? uhm. doubtful.01:45
HrdwrBoBk = 100001:45
HrdwrBoBor 1024 if you're talking about data01:45
Funraiseryeah but i sounded too expensive01:45
HrdwrBoB.. too expensive01:45
HrdwrBoBfor colocation, 100mbit unlimited and four racks?01:45
Funraiserin france u get 20mega down , 1 mega up for 29/month01:46
jesuel100mbit unlimited + 4 racks? around 3k?... if you can get it. thats a good deal01:46
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QMarioWhy is it so hard just to share a printer over a network?01:46
HrdwrBoBFunraiser: that's not commercial bandwidth.01:46
jesuelFunraiser: and if you use your connection real heavily. Your isp will kill your account i bet.01:46
bob2QMario: it's not01:47
HrdwrBoBFunraiser: that's also 1% of the upload speed01:47
QMarioDo you know how?01:47
scorpix_how can i make a new partition to install another OS next to ubuntu ?01:47
HrdwrBoBbut anyway, I'm shutup now, it's offtopic01:47
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bob2QMario: yes01:47
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cwilluflooded01:48
Funraiserand free calls too01:48
bob2scorpix_: do you have free space on the disk?01:48
bob2cwillu: you pasted five lines01:48
cwillubob2:... it's been flooded to #flood01:48
bob2then your client went away01:48
scorpix_bob2: yea, its 80GB01:49
cwilluhmm01:49
bob2put it on a website or get a better client01:49
cwillu:p01:49
cwilluone sec01:49
jesuelhrm, Max  In:  16262.0 kB/s  /  Max  Out:  2326.8 kB/s01:49
Funraisernot bad01:49
wartyis this ubuntu chatroom?01:49
Funraiserlol01:49
bob2channel, yes01:50
wartychannel..01:50
wartyjust trying my ubuntu live cd01:50
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wartyjust received it yesterday..01:50
cwilluhttp://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?action=edit&id=WilliamUnderwood01:50
wartywarty01:50
cwilluat the bottom01:50
mellinuxDoes Ubuntu Live works off of the RAM only?01:51
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error_29can anybody advise me about these specs for an hp laptop I'm thinking of getting tomorrow:01:52
error_29Athlon 64 Processor 3000+ , nVIDIA GeForce 4 44001:52
cwillubob2:  you got that?01:52
error_29I keep reading about issues with nVIDIA and amd64... so I'm a little wary01:53
LinuxJoneserror_29, I advise you to send it directly to me01:53
jesuelerror_29: should be speedy. :)01:53
jesuelerror_29: my laptop is amd64 3000+ and ati radeon 960001:53
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error_29alright, I'm sold!01:53
jesuelhow much ya payin?01:54
QMarioIs bob2 still here?01:54
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cwilluI hope so :)01:54
mellinuxerror, what issues did you hear about nVidia and AMD64s?01:54
jgeorgesonanyone know how much is required on a fresh install (of the latest hoary) to support a cisco aironet 340 pcmcia card?01:54
jesuelerror_29: just stop smokin.01:54
error_29about 1100 bucks, 60 gig drive, 512 ram01:54
jesuelerror_29: ouch.01:55
error_29wide screen.  I'll bet the battery sucks.  They all do.01:55
jesueland here ive been having problems trying to sell my laptop for 900 lol.01:55
jesueland ive got more ram than that too.01:55
jesuelIts new right?01:55
mellinuxBatteries are the lowest common denominator in terms of technological progress.01:55
error_29yep01:55
bob2cwillu: yeah01:56
bob2cwillu: that's fro mthe segfaulty machine?01:56
bob2QMario: yes01:56
cwilluyse01:56
cwilluyse01:56
bob2cwillu: very odd then01:56
cwillubah01:56
cwillu_yes_01:56
bob2cwillu: try filing a bug, I guess01:56
cwillu:p01:56
cwilluubuntu or elsewhere?01:56
mellinuxIt's a shame too, because they've been around the longest.01:56
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error_29I'm hoping for fuel-cell laptop energy sources.  Then maybe I can inhale fumes from the machine, instead of a cigarette01:56
Teal`canybody know the root password on the livecd distro ? (gnome 2.10 cd)01:57
LinuxJonesTeal`c, try sudo -s in console01:57
ikamahi01:57
error_29seriously, I'm not letting myself in for hell with amd 64, and nvidia graphics?01:57
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Funraiserwhat kind of nvidia Gforce 4 Mx 440?01:58
mellinuxI just found a 5-inch floppy disc.01:58
mellinuxWoooooow.01:58
jesuelwow01:58
ikamaanybody does know how i connect belkin bluetooth dongle with udev and hal01:58
mellinuxHoly smokers, it bends.01:58
jesuelHeh, i dont have a 3.5's let alone 5 1/4's01:58
error_29GeForce 4 440 Go with 64MB of RAM01:58
ikamawith hotplug i know it01:58
Funraisergeneric one?01:58
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jesuelIve not even had a floppy drive in a computer in the last 3 years.01:58
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Methiaslinux cant use ttf fonts can it?01:59
Funraiserasus/leadtek?01:59
Methiashow do i get ttf fonts towork in ubuntu?01:59
ikamathere have to be an firmware upload to the dongle01:59
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mellinuxI used to keep them for Word documents for school papers, but then this little thing called Gmail came along..01:59
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tritiumerror_29, I've got GeForce 4 440 Go, 64 MB.  Absolutely no problems in i386.  Don't know about amd6401:59
cwillumetias, there's a batch of ms fonts available if that's what you want01:59
bob2cwillu: ubuntu01:59
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error_29heh, mellinux, that's funny.  I just set up a friend with gmail, so he'd stop saving all his work on floppies.02:00
jesuellol02:00
cwilluthx02:00
tritiumMethias, they already work02:00
jesuelI save all my stuff on a usb key.02:00
ionsI just upgraded to hoary and I can't find Synaptic in the menu02:00
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mellinuxWell, you can't lose Gmail, so I decided against the USB jumpdrives.02:00
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jesuelWell my usb key is also a mp3 player so I dont really forget about retreiving it :)02:01
mellinuxHah, that's a little different.02:02
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mellinuxI have all my videos backed up on my iPod.02:02
jesuel512mb :)02:02
Niomi_hello :D02:02
error_29ions, systems_administration02:02
ionsnm, I just had to install it again for some reason02:02
mellinuxhowdy02:02
ionsit wasn't there error_2902:02
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Methiaswait02:02
Methiasso02:02
gumpishWhat does Ubuntu have that's equivalent to sar? http://bama.ua.edu/cgi-bin/man-cgi?sar+102:02
ionsI'm not the only one it's happened to02:02
Methiasi can use ttf font files in linux?02:02
ionshttp://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=11899&highlight=synaptic+disappeared02:02
Methiasare you shitting me?02:02
mjrMethias, yes02:02
Methiasokay how02:02
Methiashow how how02:02
mjrin fact, nowadays your default fonts are probably ttf02:02
mjrper-user, just put them in your ~/.fonts directory02:03
Methiaswhat is ~?02:03
mjrthat'll take care of apps using fontconfig02:03
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mjrsadly, eg. openoffice.org isn't one of them and needs extra tweaking02:03
mjrhome02:03
mjror, just open fonts:/// in nautilus and drag the fonts there if you didn't get the first instructions02:04
Methiasi dont have a ./fonts directory in my home02:04
mjr(actually, one / extra, but it doesn't matter)02:04
ikamaerror_29???02:04
bob2gumpish: isn't it "sar" in the acct package?02:05
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ikamahow can I configure BELKIN Bluetooth USB dongle with hal and udev02:05
K-RichWhy is wxpython not in synaptic?02:06
error_29ikama, ? hunh?02:06
ikamapardon me?????02:06
Gfaulthi, gone back02:06
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error_29oh, tritium, thanks for responding.  i missed your remark above.  (weird colors in xchat are making me blind...)02:07
tritiumerror_29, no problem :)02:07
gumpishbob2: I just installed the "acct" package and apparently sar was not included.02:07
tritiumK-Rich, it's in universe02:07
reverHi I get this error when trying to install locales .....  ISO-8859-1...cannot open locale definition file 'en': No such file or directory02:07
ikamaok anybody can tell me the procedure to connect usb dongle with the hal system02:08
K-Richtritium: for Warty ?02:08
tritiumK-Rich, no, Hoary02:08
bob2gumpish: guess it's not in ubuntu02:08
bob2ikama: hal has nothing to do with it02:08
mjrikama, I don't think hal has much to do it02:08
mjrecho02:08
bob2ikama: does linux support the dongle at all?02:09
ikamayes !!!02:09
K-Richtritium: ugh, i need it on warty :/02:09
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bob2ikama: then plugging it in should be enough02:09
mjrinstall bluez-utils and make sure they're started (from /etc/init.d/bluez-utils)02:09
ikamaI already have put BCM203X to /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware/02:09
gumpish=(02:09
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ikamain mepis it works02:10
bluefoxicywadap wadap02:10
ikamain mandrake also02:10
bluefoxicywhere is open office 202:10
bluefoxicyOO1 sucks.02:10
ikamabut with the udev and hal system I think there is an other procedure02:10
bob2bluefoxicy: apt-cache search openoffice | grep 202:10
bob2ikama: no02:11
bob2ikama: look at the /var/log/messages after you plug it in02:11
reverCan someone tell me what I am missing or what I need to install or is there an article or howto I can look at.02:12
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jesueloh well, time to go home. See yall later on02:13
tritiumbluefoxicy, openoffice.org2 isn't working as well as 1.1.4 (e.g. .doc files with tables open with empty tables)02:13
nixnewbletevening guys02:13
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bluefoxicytritium:  ah, is the rtf filter as broken as in OO1?02:13
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tritiumbluefoxicy, I don't know about that.  I just tried opening a .doc with tables in both, and it only displays in 102:13
bluefoxicytremor:  when I used 1.1.2 and earlier, RTF headers from AbiWord and MS Word were dropped; RTF would be exported from OO with styles applied (rather than saved as styles, like MSWord and AbiWord do it); and margins on RTF were completely ignored (MSand ABI Word see 0.75 inch, OOo shows 1.25 inch)02:14
tritiumI only use openoffice to view things.  I use LaTeX for authoring.02:14
bluefoxicyand I hate OOo's UI02:14
bluefoxicytritium:  Unfortunately Agnubis is like, prealpha02:15
bluefoxicyand Koffice is ass.02:15
bluefoxicyso OOImpress is the only presentation software that's any good here02:15
QMarioHow do I run web pages using Terminal?02:15
tritiumbluefoxicy, I used latex-beamer for presentations02:15
QMarioIn Linux. :)02:15
bob2QMario: "run"? you mean "view"?02:15
bob2bluefoxicy: prosper or magicpoint.02:15
bluefoxicytritium:  will it save in powerpoint or sxi format?02:16
QMarioYes02:16
tritiumbluefoxicy, no, .pdf02:16
bluefoxicybob2:  magicpoint's nonexistant ui is ass :)02:16
bob2boo hoo02:16
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QMarioIs that comment for me, bob2?02:16
tritiumbob2, I liked prosper until I came across latex-beamer02:17
bob2nope02:17
bob2tritium: hm, I'll have to give it a go02:17
bob2bluefoxicy: er02:17
tritiumbob2, yeah, you may like it too :)02:17
bluefoxicyeh.02:17
bob2bluefoxicy: maybe you should have read the documentation to know how it works?02:17
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QMarioThen how do I view a web page using Terminal?02:17
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bluefoxicybob2:  I want to do stuff, not read docs.  Laziness you know02:17
bob2QMario: links, lynx or w3m.02:18
tritiumbluefoxicy, will pdf output work for you?02:18
bluefoxicytritium:  I was looking for actual presentation delivery, transitions and all, fullscreen02:18
bluefoxicythings that won't detract people from the content02:18
QMarioLinks, such as localhost:631/printers02:18
tritiumbluefoxicy, it's got transitions, and fullscreen is no problem02:19
bluefoxicypeople are pretty much used to the pageflipping and all yb now, but a PDF presentation brings thoughts of "Wow this is really shoddy"  "why isn't he using powerpoint" "did he say something on the last slide?"02:19
bluefoxicytritium:  Transitions happen in xpdf?02:19
bob2QMario: no02:19
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bob2bluefoxicy: yes02:19
bluefoxicywow02:19
bluefoxicyhtf does that work o.o02:19
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bob2bluefoxicy: er, the people you're presenting to suck then02:20
tritiumbluefoxicy, view some of his example presentations:  http://latex-beamer.sourceforge.net/02:20
bluefoxicy*shrug* I'll look into those later, latex beamer and prosper?02:20
QMarioThen how do I view to http://localhost:631/printer in Terminal?02:20
desrtUpstream Author: Jeff Waugh <jeff.waugh@canonical.com>02:20
bob2when I see OO or powerpoint presentation, I think "wow, what a waste of time"02:20
QMarioI am just asking for the commands. :(02:21
bob2QMario: links http://localhost:631/printer02:21
bob2as I said02:21
bob2and don't be so whiney when people are helping you02:21
QMarioI was just joking about the ":)"02:21
QMarioI meant the ":("02:22
QMarioI didn't mean to put the ":("02:22
QMarioHeh02:22
bluefoxicytritium:  I'm not seeing transitions using xpdf for http://latex-beamer.sourceforge.net/beamerexample1.pdf02:22
Funraisernice pdf here http://latex-beamer.sourceforge.net/beamerexample1.pdf02:23
tritiumbluefoxicy, pdf defines slide transitions.  Read the latex-beamer manual for more info02:24
bluefoxicyif I can find it02:24
QMarioLinks does not work, bob2.02:25
Trickerhmm02:25
bluefoxicytritium:  the home page makes it look like it's language based instead of WYSIWYG based02:25
Trickerhow to mount a vfat partition so all users can read all files in it????02:25
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SlavenHm. I can't get the mod_python package to work properly.02:25
tritiumbluefoxicy, of course.  It's LaTeX02:25
Funraiserbob2 you are saying pdf does the same job as powerpoint but faster?02:25
tritiumyou can try it in LyX, if you want to02:25
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jason_hello, world02:25
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SlavenIt works fine, until I add "index.psp" to the list of index page names. Then all pages give "internal server error".02:25
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Tricker?02:26
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bluefoxicytritium:  instantly not interested. . . I know html, xhtml, xml, xslt, C, C++, Objective-C, 6502 assembly, some 286 assembly, TCL/TK, perl, Java Script . . I don't feel like learning another language just to spend hours defining a document o.o02:26
jason_i am trying to edit my boot configuration, so i can boot both linux AND windows.  Can someone tel me why I cannot find my grub.conf file?  Is it something I must download?02:26
tritiumbluefoxicy, too bad...02:26
tritiumLaTeX produces unrivaled output, particularly mathematics02:27
dazedwhats everyone up to tonight02:27
Tricker:(02:27
eyequeuejason_:  /boot/grub/menu.lst02:27
BROKEN_LADDERwhen i plug in a device, it gets a dmesg entry.  so why is there not some automount system that is called by the same processes responsible, and does not have to poll?02:27
BROKEN_LADDERanyone know the answer to this?02:27
Trickertraying to get my hdd's working02:27
bluefoxicytritium:  more of an issue to me is that this is a common application though, and most people who want to define presentations don't want to do it with a language.  I don't need to flex my muscles showing how l33t I am by doing it the hard way :p02:27
bob2QMario: then lynx02:27
bluefoxicyright tool for the right job and all02:27
DazeD||laptopi dunno dazed what are u up to02:27
dazedlol \)02:28
danielsBROKEN_LADDER: there is a system that does that, and it generally works.02:28
jason_eyequeu: can i edit it with NANO, or is there something better?02:28
bob2Funraiser: I'm saying pdf for presentations is preferable in my opinion02:28
tritiumbluefoxicy, exactly, and with the mathematics I need, wysiwyg presentation tools like powerpoint don't cut it at all02:28
danielsBROKEN_LADDER: if it's broken, i'm sorry to hear that, but there are better ways to get help than by coming in here and complaining that it doesn't exist02:28
bluefoxicytritium:  that's you though :)02:28
eyequeuejason_:  nano will work fine for that :)02:28
bluefoxicytritium: http://usrbac.sourceforge.net/misc/sec_presentation.sxi02:28
BROKEN_LADDERi'm not claiming anything.02:28
Funraiserjust asking02:28
kapputuhi guys02:28
BROKEN_LADDERbut i was told that autofs is a hack.02:28
bluefoxicytritium:  I'm gonna present that at BaltoLug on thursday02:28
jason_eyequeu: thx bro02:29
eyequeuejason_:  "better" will get you countless opinions on the best text editor :)02:29
kapputuquick question - how stable is hoary02:29
BROKEN_LADDERdaniels:  what other system is there?02:29
BROKEN_LADDERkapputu:  i use it with no real problems.02:29
BROKEN_LADDERoh, but gstreamer doesn't work now.02:29
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kapputualso has anyone installed gnome 2.1?02:29
BROKEN_LADDER2.1?02:29
kapputuI mean 2.1002:29
BROKEN_LADDERoh..lol.02:29
BROKEN_LADDERi think i have one sec.02:29
danielsBROKEN_LADDER: 'so why is there not some automount system that is called by the same processes responsible'02:29
bluefoxicytritium:  I think my bf might like latex though, I know he's into bondage and candle wax and stuff02:29
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BROKEN_LADDERdaniels:  that's my question ys.02:30
hazmatall of a sudden i'm having 2 major issues with hoary.. first starting up gnome has started taking absurd amounts of time before getting to a desktop on the order of 10minutes, and localhost doesn't seem to be operational.. offhand do these sound familiar to anyone?02:30
BROKEN_LADDERyes02:30
BROKEN_LADDERdaniels:  do you know of one?02:30
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QMarioWho is running Hoary Hedgehog?02:30
BROKEN_LADDERme02:30
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cwillubob2:  I'm not sure, but I think the livecd works fine02:30
BROKEN_LADDERdaniels:  you are probably talking about hal02:30
bluefoxicy* daniels' kernel panics02:30
danielsBROKEN_LADDER: yes, the one that's been in both Warty and Hoary02:30
tritiumbluefoxicy, that would be easy to put into latex-beamer.  What is it you want me to see?02:30
kapputu\\\02:30
bluefoxicytritium:  *shrug* It'd be easy for you, but I'd have to lear the language to do it, and it'd be lots of typing instead of drag-and-drop for no real gain02:30
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BROKEN_LADDERhal, last i checked, can't work for multiple users logged in simultaneously.02:30
BROKEN_LADDERthat's a seriously flaw imo.02:31
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BROKEN_LADDERit should have nothing to do with users being logged in.02:31
knucksanyone here have an ipod + linux?02:31
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bluefoxicydaniels:  how can you just pull the thumb drive02:31
poyayananyone know if there are any advantages of having the libgnome2-perl package for installing packages?02:31
BROKEN_LADDERi wouldn't buy an ipod if you paid me.02:31
bluefoxicydoesn't it have to be unmounted first02:31
BROKEN_LADDERit doesn't play vorbis.02:31
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danielsbluefoxicy: er, it gets unmounted as it's suddenly a dead device02:31
hazmatdoh the localhost issue was my fault02:31
bluefoxicywon't you corrupt it due to the deferred writes, or something02:31
jdubpoyayan: you get graphical config windows during install if required02:31
hazmatknucks, yes, i use it with ubuntu sa well02:31
knuckshazmat, how did u set it up?02:31
Funraiserknucks your printer works?02:31
hazmatknucks, firewire, sbp2 module, and gtkpod02:31
knucksFunraiser: yeah somehow it worked02:32
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knuckshazmat...links to this stuff? info?02:32
hazmatknucks, basically i plugged it in and it mostly works, i had to manually mount it02:32
poyayanhow often do that occur jdub?  would you suggest I install it?02:32
tritiumbluefoxicy, just giving you suggestions, like you asked for02:32
bluefoxicydaniels:  in 2.6.10, pulling a compact flash reader/card while it's mounted panics the kernel, according to some lkml post I read a few months back.02:32
bluefoxicytritium:  *nod*02:32
knuckshazmat, can you run nme through that?02:32
danielsbluefoxicy: *shrug*, works ok for me02:32
jdubpoyayan: your call02:32
hazmatknucks, sure02:32
knucksok02:32
BROKEN_LADDERoh yeah..i _am_ using gnome 2.10.  seems cool.02:32
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bluefoxicytritium:  I was more focused on end user friendly suggestions though ;)  I'm not a nukular physicist after all.02:32
QMarioHow do I share the printer with samba?02:32
poyayanhmm02:32
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cwillu2.6.8-2.6.10 warty/hoary applications in general crash... live cd seems to work fine though, and the harddrive surface scan is clear02:32
hazmatknucks, are you connecting via firewire?02:33
bluefoxicytritium:  I'll keep looking though, thanks02:33
knucksyeah02:33
tritiumbluefoxicy, LaTeX is not rocket science ;)02:33
BROKEN_LADDERcrash? no crash problems here.02:33
bluefoxicytritium:  no, latex is coding, lots of typing, and made to write rocket science with02:33
hazmatknucks, is it a recent ipod make? ie what generation?02:33
knucksits a 15gb one..02:33
hazmatknucks, the old windows ones were formatted differently02:33
sh1mmeris there any way I can use apt-get to uninstall everything that depends on say x-windows-system-core to remove all the xlibs stuff?02:33
knucksso..3rd generatioin i gues02:33
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hazmatknucks, have you used it with a mac ?02:33
shadeofgreyokay guys i still need help with fonts02:33
bluefoxicytritium:  in other news, my computer can deepthroat now, or at least it can swallow OOImpress in 3 seconds start-up time.02:34
knucksi dont think so02:34
kapputuok if I find hoary unstable can I revert back to warty?02:34
knucksi bought it from a guy on ebay..but i think he used windows02:34
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tritiumbluefoxicy, interesting description02:34
kapputuwhat's the equivalent of modconf in ubuntu02:34
kapputumodprobe?02:34
shadeofgreyi copied all my windows fonts to the main fonts folder in ubuntu02:34
hazmatknucks, hmm... your probably best off looking at the gtkpod.sf.net docs or googling linux ipod... mine and most new ones are formatted hfs+ but if you have an fat formatted ipod there are differences02:35
poyayanthanks for the info jdub02:35
shadeofgreybut none of the one s i added are coming up in the font selections which seem to be limited to a very small numbver of fonts02:35
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quaruptanyone know a way to play real audio with AMD64 i386 bin doesnt work?02:35
knucksok thx hazmat02:35
hazmatknucks, on hoary, all i did was plug it in.. no manual work required.. it just pops up on the desktop02:35
Funraiserno it doesn't quarupt02:36
shadeofgreyso where would the basic sys fonts for ubuntu be stored?02:36
hazmatpretty cool actually02:36
knuckshm really?02:36
tritiumwatching the O.C. just to see the Star Wars trailer is simply not worth it02:36
knuckscuz im on hoary and so far nothing02:36
quaruptFunraiser, so is there an alterniatave?02:36
shadeofgreyyou can go download the trailer02:36
tritiumexactly02:36
shadeofgreywww.starwars.com02:36
Funraiseri've heard it doesn't work, haven't investigate02:36
shadeofgreyduh02:36
cwillu<-- hopes that maybe a newer kernel will work, because he can't find an older one to try via synaptic02:36
kapputuis there a way to revert back to hoary?02:36
hazmatknucks, try a dmesg and see what kinda of output you get.. i used to manually mount and have this entry in /etc/fstab /dev/sda       /media/firewire0 hfsplus defaults,noauto,user       0      002:36
bluefoxicy+ok02:36
cwillu<-- hopes that synaptic doesn't crash while _downloading_ said kernel02:36
bluefoxicyOOImpress 2 has a much better UI02:36
knucksk02:37
bluefoxicybut it handles sxi OpenOffice 1.1 presentations horridly02:37
shadeofgreywhat is OOImpress 2?02:37
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bluefoxicyshadeofgrey:  openoffice 202:37
knuckshazmat, what should i look for?02:37
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shadeofgreyis it out???02:37
mikep_what is the version# for hoary?02:37
bluefoxicy /var/cache/apt/archives/language-pack-en-base_20050308_all.deb02:37
bluefoxicyE: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)02:37
Amaranthwhoops02:37
bluefoxicythat package refuses to go in02:37
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cwilluwork! work! work!02:38
cwilludown with crashing! down with crashing!02:38
kapputuhullo anyone around?02:38
kapputuI have a few questions02:38
tritiummikep_, 5.0402:38
kapputuplease don't turn away an eager Ubuntu user02:38
cwilluwhat did you nee?02:38
cwillud02:38
cwillu?02:38
Funraisergo ahead kapputu everybody's listenning02:39
tritiumkapputu, nobody is turning you away02:39
shadeofgreycan somebody please help me with my fonts issues02:39
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mikep_does "dist-upgrade" upgrade from warty to hoary?02:39
cwillushadeofgrey, what are trying to do?02:39
shadeofgreyi have a 300 page manuscript to get in by next thursday and if i have to look at that godforsaken courier system font the whole way ill kill myself for sure02:39
cwilluonly if you have the hoary repo turned on02:39
cwilluwhat prog?02:39
shadeofgreycwillu: i downloaded a full copy of editpadpro02:40
shadeofgrey502:40
shadeofgreyby JGSoft02:40
shadeofgreyi a=lso copied over all my .ttf fonts to the fonts:/// area in nautilus02:40
cwilludoes it display fine (i.e., only wrong while printing?)02:40
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kapputucan someone provide me with the link to upgrade to hoary?02:40
tritiumshadeofgrey, do they show up in your ~/.fonts directory?02:40
BROKEN_LADDERi'm trying to figure out what options to put in fstab for an ntfs drive a just put back into my system.02:40
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BROKEN_LADDERcan anyone help?02:41
cwillukapputu:  you need to change the repositories in synaptic from warty to hoary02:41
Funraiserkapputu ubuntuguide.org02:41
hazmatknucks, any connection of new device event02:41
mlambiewhat app will show me I/O throughput on my drives in real time, like bwm shows network throughput?02:41
shadeofgreyi dont HAVE a /.fonts directory02:41
shadeofgreyi dont think02:41
cwillu.files are hidden by defaults02:41
mikep_tritium: how do u upgrade from warty to hoary?02:41
knucksieee1394: Node suspended: ID:BUS[0-00:1023]   GUID[000a2700026af4e0] 02:41
knucksieee1394: Node resumed: ID:BUS[0-00:1023]   GUID[000a2700026af4e0] 02:41
knucksieee1394: Node changed: 0-00:1023 -> 0-01:102302:41
kapputuI saw a post in ubuntulinuxforums.org by a jdong who gives a script to do the upgrade02:41
shadeofgreyhow do i view them so i can cut and paste the .ttfs?02:41
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hazmatknucks, and or a loading of the firewire sbp2 and scsi modules or the usb mass storage device module (if using usb)02:42
shadeofgreytheres over 800 of them... would take forever with commandline02:42
hazmatknucks, modprobe sbp202:42
shadeofgreyto be honest i only really want ONE02:42
shadeofgreymy day roman file02:42
kapputualso I have a problem with not being to access secure sites02:42
BROKEN_LADDERmikep_:   you go into your apt-get files and change all instances of warty to hoary02:42
error_29kapputu, easy as pie, just open synaptic, look at the repos, and change all "warty" to "hoary", then smartupgrade02:42
kapputuI'm having a problem accessing webmail02:42
knucksFATAL: Error inserting sbp2 (/lib/modules/2.6.10-4-386/kernel/drivers/ieee1394/sbp2.ko): Operation not permitted02:42
BROKEN_LADDERi have no idea what "syntapic" is.02:42
tritiummikep_, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes/02:42
kapputuerror_29: can't I use apt-get?02:42
dazederror_29: i did that and it said that it couldnt find a few repositories02:43
error_29I suppose you can...02:43
FunraiserKapputu http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#upgradewartytohoary02:43
kapputuI mean edit sources.list02:43
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BROKEN_LADDERwhat the hell is synaptic?02:43
mikep_tritium: tu02:43
tritiumsure02:43
error_29Synaptic package manager02:43
BROKEN_LADDERis it some gui thing?02:43
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DarthFrogBROKEN_LADDER:  It's a GUI frontend to apt-get.02:43
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kapputuhoary is going to be released in April?02:44
tritiumyes02:44
smoHas anyone had problems with LVM on hoary? I don't see anything relevant on bugzilla nor the lists02:44
nandifrom the synaptic convers02:44
marcin_anthi02:44
QMarioHow do I restart Samba again?02:44
kapputuok anyone else having problems with webmail02:44
kappututried both mozilla and firefox02:45
kapputushould I try a different engine?02:45
marcin_antcould someone tell me why I got two instances of gdm running always on my desktop?02:45
nandiWhen I click on synaptic from gnome the cursor remains busy but no window comes up02:45
kapputuI couldn't install galeon02:45
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error_29Is there any way for a user to customize this so-called custom menu?  It's taking up a lot of space on the panel, and I'd like to get rid of the gnome-foot thing02:45
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DazeD||laptophow many upgraded packages are with the hoary upgrade02:45
nandiin short synaptic does not start02:45
nandican any one explain why02:46
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Funraisernandi you upgraded to hoary?02:46
ellsis anyone having issues in hoary with playing mp302:46
nandino02:46
kapputuam I asking in the wrong forum?02:46
nandiI am on warty02:46
QMarioCan anyone tell me the command to restart Samba?02:46
Funraiserit never started?02:46
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tritiumQMario, there's a script in /etc/init.d/ you need to run with sudo, and pass it "restart"02:47
error_29ells, weirdly, hoary played mp3 as soon as I upgraded, even though under warty I hadn't installed any mp3 support.  Very strange.02:47
DarthFrogQMario:  /etc/init.d/samba restart02:47
tritiumQMario, I don't have samba installed, or I'd tell you the exact filename.  it's probably samba02:47
SlavenI'm a total noob with PHP02:47
ellserror_29, can you tell me the tools I need02:47
kapputuok upgrading to hoary02:48
Slavenbut since I can't get mod_python to work, I'm trying it out02:48
error_29oh, one issue, and i should file a bug report on it:  totem skips at the beginning of playback02:48
Slavenbut I can't get the mysql module working.02:48
error_29um-- http://ubuntuguide.org/02:48
Funraisernandi synaptic never started?02:48
kapputua lot of things in Ubuntu has been built with python?02:48
nandiyes never started02:48
DazeD||laptopis there a big difference between hoary and warty?02:48
error_29ells, that guide tells you all about getting the proprietary stuff working02:48
SlavenI've installed it with APT... does it require any further configuration to work?02:48
Funraiseropen a terminal and type sudo synaptic02:48
ellstritium: my audio will not work in hoary for mp3 support, also when I click the mp3 in xmms it locks up02:49
tritiumells, since when?02:49
nandiFunraiser ok i will try that02:49
ellstritium: like today or yesterday I think02:49
DarthFrogDazeD||laptop: Yes.  Warty is the first release.  Hoary will be the second release.02:49
ellstritium: it worked in warty02:49
tritiumells, what has been installed/removed since that time?02:49
ellshonestly, cant totally remember, wine for starters02:49
nandialso I have a Dlink modem. Is there a way to find whther it has been detected02:49
kapputuanyone upgraded to gnome-2.10?02:50
cwilluhmm02:50
error_29kapputu, I thought that's what hoary was using.. it's not?02:50
cwilluhow stable is the sound driver?02:50
kapputuI have no idea02:50
kapputuI'm just upgrading02:50
kapputuI din't notice would be a good answer02:50
ellstritium: when I double click the mp3 and it goes to totem, it immediately closes02:50
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cwilluplausible that it could be causing my closing applications issues?02:51
DazeD||laptopwarty is the first release of ubuntu DarthFrog?02:51
wdhells, i have exactly the same issue here02:51
kapputuI have been having issues with firefox and evolution02:51
error_29help file says gnome 2.8 desktop02:51
ellswdh really02:51
tritiumells, i'm not having any trouble02:51
kapputubarring that I love ubuntu02:51
ellstritium: what tools play the mp302:51
tritiumells, I typically use rhythmbox02:51
ellswdh, have you figured out on your end what it is02:51
error_29no, wait, the gnome help says 2.6 in another section, wtf???02:52
jdubDazeD||laptop: the difference is six months of: a) progress in the world of open source software, and b) vigorous development and bug fixing on the part of the ubuntu maintainers02:52
ellstritium: I can try it, but do you know about the tools02:52
wdhi see totem showing up for about half a second.. and then it shuts down.. for movies as well.. mplayer was able to play mpegs fine..02:52
Funraisernandi dunno02:52
wdhells, not yet02:52
error_29I don't understand gnome at all; the documentation always seems a mishmash02:52
tritiumkapputu, gnome 2.10 is in hoary02:52
ellswdh: pkay02:52
ellsokay02:52
tritiumells, what tools?02:52
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ellstritium: codecs and such02:52
mellinuxHey again, fellas.02:52
mellinuxJust booted up Warty Live02:53
tritiumells, yeah, what about them?02:53
Funraiserrealplayer works fine wdh02:53
ellstritium: my music acts crazy with all players02:53
wdhFunraiser, never liked realplayer much..02:53
ellstritium: my real player wont open either02:53
Funraiseri have perfect tv shows with realplayer02:53
ellstritium: sounds maybe like a gnome issue02:53
tritiumells, strange02:53
mellinuxHow do you configue Ubuntu to use 2 monitors side by side?02:53
tritiumells, I'm uptodate with hoary, don't have that problem02:53
tritiumells, I just tried your click method in nautilus, and totem works too02:54
goldfishmellinux: program called synergy02:54
wdhells, try installing gstreamer0.8-mad02:54
goldfishmellinux: u cud try that02:54
ellstritium: I wont lie, I used hoary last week, worked fine and reinstalled and now crap02:54
kapputuany good themes for Ubuntu02:54
ellswdh okay02:54
kapputulooking for some eyecandy02:54
tritiumells, you already had gstreamer0.8-mad, I remember02:55
ellstritium: now cant play movies either02:55
QMarioBye02:55
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ellstritium: kind of messed up that movies wont play either02:55
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tritiumells, if you reinstalled, perhaps you didn't reinstall gstreamer0.8-mad and w32codecs02:55
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mellinuxgoldfish, with warty live how do i get synergy02:55
tritiumells, why did you reinstall?02:55
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ellstritium: w32 is, but the other, I will check02:55
netsniperanyone know how to get Eclipse SDK going on Ubuntu?02:56
netsniperafter much googling, no help...02:56
ellstritium: I had crossweaver installed in hoary and all kind of errors came up02:56
kapputuwhat is python mainly used for in Ubuntu?02:56
_manuelI updated to hoary and  (x.org and KDE 3.4 looks very cool)02:56
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cwilluyou have java installed?02:56
kapputuhoary uses x.org?02:56
FunraiserKapputu u should check gdesklet for some eyecandy02:56
netsniperya02:56
_manuelbut the fonts looks ugly02:56
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cwillusun's or otherwise?02:56
netsnipersun jdk02:57
_manuelkapputu: apt-get install xserver-xorg02:57
FunraisergDesklets02:57
netsniper1.5.0_0202:57
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goldfishmellinux: http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/02:57
cwilluI think there's a command line via javaw02:57
kapputulink for gdesklets?02:57
_manuelbut the fonts looks ugly02:57
cwillubeen there done that?02:57
kapputuwhat's that actually?02:57
tritiumkapputu, apt-cache search gdesklets02:57
hou5toni have tried a couple different things to get my Outlook contacts to cleanly import into Evolution .. with limited success ... Any suggestions?02:57
netsniperi want Eclipse going02:57
dazedgoldfish: y0 ... have u done the hoary upgrade or u stickin on warty?02:57
Funraiserkapputu there is a website02:57
cwillunetsniper02:57
netsniperi have installed the gtk2 bin from Eclipse website -- but it crashes02:58
tritiumhou5ton, there's outport02:58
eb0xI am trying to update my GAIM (There is a newer version than what is on the synaptic update) and it says I need GTK+ 2.0 ... Is there a way to easily update to GTK+ 2.0 ?02:58
goldfishdazed: getting another pc on sunday, gonna try hoary on that. you?02:58
ellstritium: gstreamer was not installed, I will now see if my songs work02:58
tritiumhou5ton, http://outport.sourceforge.net/02:58
Funraiserhttp://gdesklets.gnomedesktop.org/02:58
dazedgoldfish: im upgrading now...going to be an all nighter im bettin on my slow ass 56k shared 3 ways lol02:58
tritiumeb0x, you have it02:58
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wdheb0x, what release of ubuntu are you using?02:58
goldfishdazed: lol02:58
kapputuapt-get install xserver-xorg din't work02:58
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eb0xwarty02:58
ellstritium: naw, it still locks up02:59
wdhswitch to hoary then :)02:59
ellswdh: I am on hoary02:59
hou5tontritium:   thanks ... appreciate it02:59
netsnipercwillu, ya?02:59
eb0xHow do I change to hoary without reinstalling02:59
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kapputucouldn't install gdesklets too02:59
skreetWhen I load Ubuntu on my laptop (with noapic and nolapic or without) it goes past the inital screens full of text then to wehre it should be *blue* it turns black and stop responding. Any ideas?02:59
kapputubroken packages02:59
cwilluhow does it crash02:59
wdhchange all repositories in synaptic from warty to hoary02:59
goldfishskreet: sounds like x is failing02:59
tritiumeb0x, gtk2.0 is in Warty as well03:00
goldfishskreet: nvidia card?03:00
netsniperthere is a log in /opt/eclipse/configuration/*.log03:00
wdhthen update and 'mark all upgrades' and 'apply'03:00
skreetgoldfish, There's no X during the install process..03:00
goldfishk03:00
skreetgoldfish, Right?03:00
Funraisertha's eyecandy: http://www.lynucs.org/index.php?screen_id=692813795402a3035d54db&p=screen03:00
skreetgoldfish: And, it's an ATI card. It installs fine on my desktop (nvidia card)03:00
goldfishskreet: eh, sorry bit of a n00b, but i had that problem03:00
goldfishhrmm...03:00
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skreetgoldfish: on a laptop?03:00
tritiumhou5ton, sure :)03:00
goldfishyeah03:00
cwillucan you post that log file somewhere?03:00
leveldochi ppl03:01
goldfishnvidia03:01
skreetgoldfish: Did you fix it?03:01
dazeddownloading file 1 of 859....OH GOD!03:01
eb0xhow do i update to hoary?03:01
netsnipercwillu, private?03:01
eb0xisnt there an apt-get command i can use03:01
cwilluanywhere03:01
goldfishskreet: yeah i was on an nvidia, i just had to update my drivers03:01
kappututhat's cool03:01
tritiumeb0x, you don't need Hoary for gtk2.003:01
kapputuhow do I get that?03:01
cwilluI don't think theres anything security wise inthere03:01
kapputuhttp://pastebin.com/252915 - error installing gdesklets03:01
eyequeueFunraiser:  gentoo?03:01
cwilluprobably _not_ in irc03:01
leveldocjust upgraded to hoary, having problems using skype - anyone else?03:01
wdhtritium, nope.. but if he wants a new version of gaim, he might as well switch :)03:01
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error_29folks, anyone getting this message with apt-get update:03:01
difektaFIREFOX keeps telling me that it can't startup because someone is "using" the default profile.  what is that supposed to mean?03:01
cwillui.e., if you can blog or server or ftp03:01
difekta"using"?03:01
skreetgoldfish: Well, I'm having this problem while *installing*03:02
difektalike, some other program is reading it, therefore ff can't read it?!03:02
goldfishoh right :/03:02
ellstritium: I now can play video but no sound03:02
eb0xtritium: I know that, How can I update to Hoary?03:02
skreetAnyone have any issues installing ubuntu on a laptop getting a black screen?03:02
Funraisereyequeue, any distro + gdesklets03:02
ellstritium: any ideas03:02
eyequeuedifekta:  most likely it didn't shut down properly03:02
leveldocdifekta: do a "ps auxwww | grep mozilla-firefox"03:02
error_29W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems03:02
error_29E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.03:02
difektaof course it didn't.03:02
difektaso what?03:02
goldfishskreet: search ubuntuforums.org mayb03:02
error_29When I run apt-get update again, no problem03:02
wdherror_29, its quite self-explanatory03:02
error_29This happens every time03:02
tritiumwdh, not if he's not ready to deal with a preview release03:02
error_29What is wdh?03:02
skreetgoldfish, I did, no avail, thats why I'm here :D :P03:02
goldfishlol03:02
goldfish:/03:02
netsnipereclipse.buildId=I20050219-150003:02
netsniperjava.fullversion=GNU libgcj 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-8ubuntu2)03:02
netsniperBootLoader constants: OS=linux, ARCH=x86, WS=gtk, NL=en_US03:02
netsniperCommand-line arguments:  -os linux -ws gtk -arch x8603:02
netsniper!ENTRY org.eclipse.osgi 2005-03-10 20:01:22.69203:02
netsniper!MESSAGE Startup error03:02
wdherror_29, the error03:02
netsniper!STACK 103:03
netsniperjava.lang.NoSuchMethodError: method java.io.FileOutputStream.<init> was not found.03:03
netsniper   at _Jv_ResolvePoolEntry(java.lang.Class, int) (/usr/lib/libgcj.so.4.0.0)03:03
netsniper   at org.eclipse.core.runtime.adaptor.Locker_JavaNio.lock() (Unknown Source)03:03
netsniper   at org.eclipse.osgi.service.datalocation.FileManager.lock() (Unknown Source)03:03
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netsniper   at org.eclipse.osgi.service.datalocation.FileManager.open(boolean) (Unknown Source)03:03
cwillu_not_ in irc :p03:03
netsniper   at org.eclipse.core.runtime.adaptor.EclipseAdaptor.initFileManager(java.io.File, java.lang.String) (Unknown Source)03:03
netsniper   at org.eclipse.core.runtime.adaptor.EclipseAdaptor.initialize(org.eclipse.osgi.framework.adaptor.EventPublisher) (Unknown Source)03:03
eb0x.....03:03
netsniper   at org.eclipse.osgi.framework.internal.core.Framework.initialize(org.eclipse.osgi.framework.adaptor.FrameworkAdaptor) (Unknown Source)03:03
error_29the error is clear, what's not clear is why the error is happening!03:03
wdhrun apt-get update and see which lines seem to be wrong..03:03
skreetMan Nautalis is cool.03:03
netsniper   at org.eclipse.osgi.framework.internal.core.Framework.Framework(org.eclipse.osgi.framework.adaptor.FrameworkAdaptor) (Unknown Source)03:03
wdhnetsniper, stfu03:03
netsniper   at org.eclipse.osgi.framework.internal.core.OSGi.createFramework(org.eclipse.osgi.framework.adaptor.FrameworkAdaptor) (Unknown Source)03:03
goldfishlol03:03
netsniper   at org.eclipse.osgi.framework.internal.core.OSGi.OSGi(org.eclipse.osgi.framework.adaptor.FrameworkAdaptor) (Unknown Source)03:03
NobleArcis it safe to install packages from nerim.net (debian-marliat or something, I need transcode)?  It complains about GPG signatures. o_O03:03
netsniper   at org.eclipse.core.runtime.adaptor.EclipseStarter.startup(java.lang.String[] , java.lang.Runnable) (Unknown Source)03:03
tritiumignore netsniper03:03
netsniper   at org.eclipse.core.runtime.adaptor.EclipseStarter.run(java.lang.String[] , java.lang.Runnable) (Unknown Source)03:03
dazedswitching over to hoary ...itd take me a full 24 horus to dl on 56k lol and too many packages will crash03:03
cwillulooks like either java isn't installed correctly, or there's something wrong with the class path03:03
tritiumarg03:03
netsniper   at _Jv_CallAnyMethodA(java.lang.Object, java.lang.Class, _Jv_Method, boolean, java.lang.Class[] , jvalue, jvalue) (/usr/lib/libgcj.so.4.0.0)03:03
eyequeueFunraiser:  just noting the hostmale in grellm :)03:03
netsniper   at _Jv_CallAnyMethodA(java.lang.Object, java.lang.Class, _Jv_Method, boolean, java.lang.Class[] 03:03
netsniperdoh, sorry03:03
eyequeueFunraiser:  hostname03:04
error_29Why does it barf on apt-get update, then do the apt-get update with no problem?  What, it just wants me to type everything twice?03:04
eyequeuenetsniper:  STOP03:04
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leveldocguys: has anyone else problems with KDE applications on a default hoary?03:04
cwillunetsniper, your classpath might be screwy03:04
difektathis makes no sense.  why would firefox complain that something else is "using" a settings file?  how can that stop it from reading the file?03:04
drspinyo all03:04
netsnipercwillu, how would i fix it?03:04
NobleArc"WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!" <--- o_o Is that really important?03:04
cwilluyou're a java developer... you should know :)03:04
BobaFetthey guys...Im having problems starting my ubuntu and Im really starting to freak out...03:04
drspindifekta: sudo killall -9 mozilla-bin03:04
drspindifekta: then try to run it again03:05
difektai did03:05
cwilluhow did you install java?03:05
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leveldocdifekta: what does ps say?03:05
eyequeuedifekta:  that kill he mentioned will *cause* the problem!03:05
tritiumells, did you check out the logfiles in /var/log ?03:05
Funraisereyequeue...errr Ubuntu here, if u are referring to the link i just gave, it's a screenshot, but not from mine03:05
SiRrUsBobaFett whats wrong with it03:05
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DazeD||laptopcwillu: www.ubuntustarterguide.org03:05
Hell-Razorhey guys...kind of a stupid question but my brain went to go fuck somebody...but anyways...how would i install a .deb package?03:05
cwilluI know how03:05
eyequeuedifekta:  you have a lock file left over,remove it03:05
cwilluI am asking how _he_ did03:05
ellstritium: naw I can, what will I be looking for03:05
leveldocHell-Razor: dpkg -i "package"03:05
cwillunetsniper:  how did you install java?03:05
skreetOkay where do I go with my laptop-related issues :\03:05
kapputuany help with gdesklets?03:05
tritiumells, any errors related to sound ;)03:05
BobaFettSiRrUs: When I log on to GNOME; it says 'your session lasted less than 10 seconds, check your diskspace'03:06
Hell-Razorleveldoc, ty03:06
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eyequeueHell-Razor: sudo dpkg -i foo.deb03:06
goldfishHell-Razor: dpkg -i package03:06
difektaa "lock" file?03:06
cwilluskreet... what?03:06
leveldocHell-Razor: np03:06
BobaFettSiRrUs: But I have over 20 free gigs on the ubuntu partition!03:06
difektajesus firefox must be retarded.03:06
ellstritium: how will I get in to check03:06
DazeD||laptoplol my apologese03:06
Funraiserbut working on LFS though03:06
netsnipercwillu, i installed the sun jdk 1.5.0_02 using the bin file and included instructions03:06
eyequeuedifekta:  why?03:06
skreetcwillu, My laptop will not install ubuntu :\03:06
drspinMar 10 19:03:15 localhost kernel: NVRM: not using NVAGP, AGPGART is loaded!!03:06
drspinit this a bad thing?03:06
Hell-Razoreyequeue, what does sudo do03:06
tritiumells, ?03:06
cwilluskreet: where does it fail?03:06
error_29bzip2: Compressed file ends unexpectedly  perhaps it is corrupted?  *Possible* reason follows.03:06
eyequeuesudo (8)             - execute a command as another user03:06
leveldocdoes anyone know of any problems with sound? There was a sound issue I understand?03:06
error_29bzip2: Resource temporarily unavailable        Input file = (stdin), output file = (stdout)03:06
BobaFettHell-Razor: sudo runs commands as root03:06
tritiumHell-Razor, man sudo03:06
SiRrUsBobaFett check in the forums I had that problem a while ago cant remember what the problem was03:06
cwilluthat would cause it03:06
eyequeueHell-Razor:  in this case, a root03:06
eyequeueas03:06
ellswell, which file is it in the log files03:06
skreetcwillu, Right when the screen should turn blue and start asking me stuffs, it turns black and does..nothing. :D03:06
Hell-RazorBobaFett, aah thank you03:07
Hell-Razoreyequeue, aah03:07
cwillugive me 2 seconds skreet03:07
Funraisersu = change user, if no user after that, then root by default03:07
BobaFettSiRrUs: The forums? Ok, Ill give it a try, but I couldnt find anuthing in the wiki...thanks!03:07
skreetcwillu, Appreciate it :D03:07
cwillunetsniper:  you didn't use the deb file / apt-get?03:07
SiRrUsyw03:07
eyequeueHell-Razor:  you need root access to modify the overall system, and package installation does just that03:07
netsnipercwillu, where is the deb?03:07
difektait must be retarded because of this "lock" file business.03:07
drspinanyone got Nvu working on warty?03:07
cwilluone sec03:07
netsniperdrspin, i have it working in warty and hoary03:07
eyequeuedifekta:  if you don't shut an app down properly, it can't clean up after itself03:08
drspinnetsniper: do you have to use root03:08
drspin?03:08
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ellstritium: the sounds work when just clicking on icons and such, but not audion in mp3 or movies03:08
difektaclean up after itself?  what is that even suppposed to mean?03:08
tritiumells, yeah, I understand03:08
eyequeuedifekta:  one example, remove its lock files03:08
tritiumdifekta, close files it has open, etc.03:08
difektaa system should behave no differently if the power is shut off.03:08
ellstritium; any ideas03:08
drspindifekta: try logging out and logging back in03:08
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difektawhy would it _have_ lock files?03:08
difektai just deleted the lock file.03:08
eyequeuedifekta:  are you insane?03:08
difektanow it works.03:08
kapputuwhoa need to get 260MB to upgrade to hoary03:08
kapputucool03:08
difektano.03:09
DazeD||laptopso anyone know the deal with wireless-g cards on linux if they work or not?03:09
tritiumells, no03:09
DJ_Jesuscan anyone with some good googlefu point me to a guide on how to install on a system with no cd drive?03:09
eyequeuedifekta:  how can cached writes happen if you pull the power?03:09
difektathere was never a problem like this with any other app i've used besides mozilla.  and it NEVER happened in beos.03:09
difektacached?03:09
DJ_Jesusalthough I DO have a 1gb USB key03:09
ellstritium: what are the codecs for audio for mp3 in linux03:09
netsniperdrspin, http://ubuntuguide.org/#nvu03:09
cwilluftp://neacm.fe.up.pt/pub/ubuntu-java/03:09
ellstritium: I will reinstall them03:09
cwilluwait03:09
difektaeyequeue:  oh, i misread your sentence.03:09
difektawell, they can't.  so what?03:09
drspinnetsniper: I followed that and it works but only from root...03:09
tritiumells, you already did:  gstreamer0.8-mad03:09
difektathat shouldn't make it any harder to start up a program.03:10
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netsniperwhat version?03:10
ellstritium: do you think I need to restart the computer03:10
netsniperty latest 0.8103:10
tritiumells, no03:10
eyequeuedifekta:  i recommend you get out of the habit of improper shutdowns03:10
ellswell shoot03:10
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FunraiserDJ_jesus i think u can install everything via FTP03:10
ellstritium: I dont want to, but I may end up reinstalling the distro.......again03:10
cwilluadd ftp://neacm.fe.up.pt/pub/ubuntu-java/ binary/03:10
cwilluand source/03:10
kapputuok guys I need the names of the guys who said the upgrade to hoary wouldn't be a problem. I would need to shout at u guys if something goes wrong :-)03:11
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cwilluto your repos, then look up sun, and install03:11
DJ_JesusFunraiser, i would hope you could, but I don't know how to :)03:11
eyequeuedifekta:  unless you plan on restricting yourself to only running very simple apps on another os03:11
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tritiumkapputu, be nice03:11
dazedanyone know if wireless g cards work on linux??? id like to know before i install on my laptop?03:11
ellstritium: what controls audio in mp3 and movies.....gstreamer?03:11
tritiumells, it depends on the application03:11
eyequeuedazed:  i'm on one now, heh03:11
kappututritium: oh yeah I was real serious about that03:11
ellstritium: it seems kind of associated03:11
cwillunetsniper:  that should properly install java, then you should have more luck with eclipse03:11
netsnipercwillu, testing now03:11
kapputudazed: I got mine working03:12
ellstritium:with the movies and music03:12
kapputuit's a TI based card03:12
ododazed: it really depends on what chip the card is using03:12
eyequeuedazed:  ipw2200 driver here, centrino03:12
difektathere shouldn't be any need for a "proper" shut down.03:12
nixmanthe only problem i have so far is there is no usb ! my mouse (cheap one) is just not being recognized. this was whithout a flaw in warty03:12
kapputuI use a acx100 driver03:12
tritiumells, gstreamer and xine, for example03:12
cwilluskreet:  it hangs during the character mode install?03:12
ellsokay03:12
tritiumells, e.g., there's a totem-gstreamer, and a totem-xine03:12
Teal`cWTF .. i was playing with the ubuntu live cd for five minutes, i rebooted and the drive windows xp is on is now corrupted.. totally gone.03:12
kapputuwhat does ubuntu use python for?03:12
dazedkapputu and odo and eyequeue: i have a linksys wireless G card and i tried it on an old version of knoppix with an older kernal and no working03:12
ellsI will try totem03:12
tritiumkapputu, lots of things03:12
dazedim wondering if it will work on ubuntu03:12
cwilluTeal`c:  what error?03:12
zenwhenAny Athlon64 users in here?03:12
kapputupython seems to be cool03:13
cwilluskreet?03:13
netsniperyea, i used to be amn64 -- but went back to i38603:13
kapputuI'm just waiting for the Learning Python book to arrive03:13
tritiumkapputu, it's a good scripting, glue, and rapid app. dev. lang.03:13
difektacaching writes is also a bad idea unless you're doing something like compiling03:13
kapputuyeah03:13
zenwhennetsniper, what motherboard?03:13
netsniperamd64 is not tested well enough to use yet...03:13
kapputuI read a lot about it03:13
netsniperHP zv5270us laptop03:13
zenwhenfuck03:13
zenwhenoops03:13
kapputuBruce Eckel, Guido interviews03:13
eyequeuekapputu:  you may want to sudo apt-get install diveintopython03:13
FunraiserDJ_Jesus I know it's possible for sure i've done it for mandrake, but it wasn't easy03:13
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skreetcwillu, That was awesome.03:13
netsnipereckel's book is good03:13
cwillu?03:14
cwillu:p03:14
skreetcwillu, Yes, right before the actual install process03:14
nixmandarn i think my keyboard was installed as french !03:14
kapputuhis book?03:14
zenwhenI need a recommendation for an athlon64 motherboard for linux and cant find ANYTHING.03:14
cwilluhow many menu's in?03:14
tritiumeven the tutorial and reference manual in python-docs are good03:14
kapputuis it complete?03:14
skreetcwillu, I tried to close music player because it had stopped loading song from my smb share and it didnt like that every much..03:14
DJ_JesusFunraiser, :/03:14
skreetcwillu, But thats another less important issue03:14
DJ_Jesushow about a way to put it on my 1gb flash key and install from that to my computer03:14
cwillui.e., during choice of language/country/timezone?03:14
dazedeyequeue: i have a mobile AMD Athalon XP 1400+ with a wireless G by linksys you think itll work on ubuntu and if so what would i have to do?03:14
DarthFrogzenwhen: the Asus amd64 motherboard is good.03:15
eyequeuedazed:  i'm not sure which chipset that uses, and which driver would be needed03:15
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zenwhenDarthFrog, I have read about problems with not only the hardware clock but the networking.03:15
nixmanany one can help me whith my usb woes ?03:15
zenwhenIn Linux.03:15
kapputudamn I forgot that I downloaded that book03:15
Hell-Razorhey guys how do i fix this stupid system beep my computer does everytime i hit tab to view what my options are?03:15
kapputuI like his TIJ03:15
eyequeuedazed:  on the wireless side i mean.  the cpu is supported just fine03:15
FunraiserDJ_Jesus it should be possible too03:15
error_29heh heh, watching the screen during install is like seeing an ad for python, man, that's a lot of files03:15
DarthFrogzenwhen: I have one running a mail server.  Works fine.03:15
cwilluskreet?03:15
skreetcwillu, Yes?03:16
nixmani have a laptop with a touchpad that seems to be working. but i pprefer the usb mouse03:16
kapputucomputer -> desktop preferences -> sound ?03:16
tritiumHell-Razor, in gnome-terminal?03:16
zenwhenDarthFrog, K8N?03:16
cwilluskreet: in the language selection?03:16
dazedeyequeue: well all i would need to do is find what driver i need and install it with ndiswrapper correct? and it should start working?03:16
kapputuuncheck sound for events03:16
Hell-Razortritium: i think its any term03:16
cwilluor around then?03:16
skreetcwillu, I'm not sure, it's before the blue screen, after the kernel loading etc, etc.03:16
netsniper"checking for corrupt government ... OK"03:16
tritiumHell-Razor, in gnome-terminal, you can edit the profile, and uncheck the "Terminal bell"03:16
skreetcwillu, I dont actually get to *see* the install process, my laptop blacks out.03:16
drspinIs this bad:03:16
drspinMar 10 19:03:16 localhost kernel: NVRM: not using NVAGP, AGPGART is loaded!!03:16
skreetcwillu, Couldent tell you if it is confinuing or crashing..03:16
eyequeuedazed:  presuming there's a driver supporting it, that's one route, better would be one that is in the linux kernel itself, if you can find that03:16
cwilluhave you tried the noapic nolapic pci=nodma type modes?03:16
cwilluhmm03:17
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skreetcwillu, The first two, yes, I will try pci-nodma n ow.03:17
cwilluthere's also a video mode switch you might want to try03:17
Hell-Razortritium, and how would i do that03:17
FunraiserDJ_Jesus u have no cd-rom or it won't boot?03:17
skreetcwillu,  Do you know what it is?03:17
eyequeuenetsniper:  lol, who wrote that Makefile? :)03:17
tritiumHell-Razor, Edit->Profiles03:17
skreetcwillu, It's asking for kernel params now.03:17
cwilluhit f5 when you boot I think, it'll list the options03:17
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dazedeyequeue: what do u mean by one that is in the linux kernel itself .. a driver thats already in the linux kernel that can support it? how would i find it?03:17
FunraiserDJ_Jesus i mean no cd player or it won't boot?03:17
phantomdataHmmm.  Is there a way to view movies with Ubuntu?03:17
skreetcwillu, The first thing I noticed was that the install image on the isolinux CD shows up corrupted.03:17
kapputua quick question on partitions03:17
Teal`cthe ubuntu livecd is pretty neat but the lack of media support in the totem media player is, well,. very lacking.03:17
Hell-Razortritium: cough....wtf are you talking about03:17
Teal`conly seems to play ogg files03:17
netsnipereyequeue, i forget which package it is from -- but when i ran gentoo i always loved seeing it go by...03:17
kapputuI managed to screw up the partition on my desktop03:17
cwilluhmm... are you sure the cd is good/03:18
cwillu?03:18
skreetcwillu, Hm it says "Laptops with screen display problems..03:18
cwilluskreet:  might want to try burning another03:18
cwilluas well03:18
skreetcwillu, Just usted it to load my desktop.03:18
tritiumHell-Razor, gnome-terminal, as I said03:18
kapputuhow do I partition my hard disk while installing ubuntu03:18
skreetcwillu, After my other disc got scratched up too much :D03:18
eyequeuedazed:  well, the ipw2200 and acx100 drivers mentioned above are actually kernel modules03:18
cwillu:p03:18
kapputuit just lists my hard disk03:18
cwillunetsniper:  any luck?03:18
Hell-Razortritium, wheres edit03:18
eyequeuedazed:  if there's such for your card, i recommend that over ndiswrapper03:18
skreetcwillu, Booting with both noapic's and vga= line..03:18
netsniperjust finished downloadng that deb03:18
tritiumHell-Razor, in the menu bar03:18
skreetcwillu, AWESOME, Thanks a bunch buddy :D03:18
cwilluworkin?03:18
cwillusweet03:19
dazedok thanks03:19
skreetcwillu,  Yep :D03:19
nixmanhow does one change the keyboard setting it looks like it is mapped to a french keyb when i have a normal english one ?03:19
skreetcwillu, Good stuff. Thanks03:19
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cwilludon't select "canada" :)03:19
cwilluor, under the prefs03:19
nixmancwillu: darn !03:19
drspinanyone know a good file organizer/id3 editor03:19
cwilluchange it to us layout03:19
dazednow my processor speed is unusually underclocked...why is this on my laptop its runnin 491mhz when its a 1.5 ghz thats very awkward03:19
DarthFrogdrspin: Easytag03:19
skreetdazed, What kind of laptop?03:19
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nixmancwillu: i have to reinstall .. no way i can change it ?03:19
cwillujust kidding :)03:19
kapputuany help on partitioning?03:19
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cwillunixman:  Preferences | keyboard03:20
dazedHP pavillion ze 1`21003:20
Funraiserkapputu u can just follow the default installation03:20
kapputudefault??03:20
tritiumdazed, power management03:20
cwillunixman:  layouts | change Selected layouts to U.S. English, and hit the default tab, delete the other one03:20
skreetdazed, What type of processor, it's probably jsut speedstepping.03:20
kapputuIt asks me to partition the entire hard disk03:20
Funraiser(unless u want to separate /home and /03:20
Funraiser)03:20
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kapputuI mean it just shows up my hard disk03:20
dazedAMD athalon XP 1400+ mobile skreet03:20
cwillunixman:  and change the keyboard model to generic03:20
dazedtritium: what do u mean power management03:21
kapputuI don't get any option to choose my partition where it'll be mounted03:21
nixmancwillu: thanks03:21
skreetdazed, Yea it's just clocking down to save power.03:21
dazedi cant control processor from power management03:21
cwillunixman: no problem03:21
tritiumdazed, what skreet said03:21
dazedoh really?03:21
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dazedbut does it go back up when i need it?03:21
ellstritium: again you saved the day03:21
tritiumyes03:21
tritiumells, what did I do?03:21
skreetdazed, It should.03:21
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ellsI installed the gstreamer deal03:22
ellsrestarted and poof03:22
tritiumells, :)  good deal03:22
tritiumexcellent03:22
ellsthanks again03:22
tritiumsure03:22
dazedthats prolly why when i changed it from max power to always on that it stopped random shut downs03:22
ellsI need to send you an xmas card03:22
tritiumgood job, ells03:22
dazedit shut down from overheating03:22
ellstanks, tanks alot03:22
dazedand i guess that fixed it03:22
cwillucan anybody troubleshoot my hands?03:22
tritiumheh, no need, ells ;)03:22
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ellsyou know the deal03:22
cwilluI've got burning on top, numb at the tips and ache on the bottom03:22
ellstritium: I had a samba question03:22
cwillumost of the way up to my elbow03:22
geppyI'm trying to create a link, but I keep getting "Operation not permitted", regardless of whether I'm user or root03:23
tritiumells, okay, but I'm not running samba...03:23
ellstritium: I am going to be connecting from schoo03:23
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ellsis there anything special I need to do with the ip03:23
geppyCan anyone help me with making a link under Ubuntu?03:23
tritiumells, not sure I know what you mean03:24
geppyI've no idea why this "Operation not permitted" error keeps popping up.03:24
ellstritium: well, do I need the actual ip from the school03:24
ellsI am on a wireless network03:24
tritiumells, at school, or home?03:24
ellswell, both actually03:24
tritiumells, you might need to enable port forwarding on your wireless router03:25
ellstritium: will I need the school ip to connect here at home03:25
drspinthanks - easytag is going to work03:25
ellstritium: the tech guys at dlink were clueless03:25
ellsI was able to open a port though03:25
ellstritium: here at home, in the network, it is easy03:26
leveldocdoes anyone else have problems starting thunderbird under hoary?03:26
tritiumells, I don't know enough about connecting to samba servers from remote locations03:26
geppyWhy does link not work under Ubuntu?03:26
ellswell, are you connecting remotely03:26
geppyDoes _anyone_ in here know how to get link to work?03:26
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tritiumells, I don't have a samba server ;)03:26
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leveldocgeppy: what do you mean?03:26
Bog_hello03:26
ellstritium: are you running any kind of server03:26
leveldocwhich link where to03:26
leveldocwhat are you trying to link?03:27
tritiumells, just apache2 and gnump3d03:27
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ellscan either one connect to windows from linux03:27
geppyleveldoc:  Just any kind of symbolic link isn't working for me, but specifically, I'm trying to make a link from /usr/src/linux to /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.11-103:27
cwillumy arms feel like burning03:27
tritiumells, apache is just a webserver, gnump3d is my music server03:27
Bog_anyone from the security team here?03:27
ellsnice03:27
leveldocgeppy: please do a "ls -d /usr/src/linux"03:28
tritiumells, I can reach those servers from any O.S.03:28
ellstritium: I want to connect to my computer from school03:28
leveldocsorry ls -ld03:28
tritiumells, I understand03:28
ellstritium, cool03:28
ellswill apached work for what i need03:28
cwilluells:  look at vnc03:28
tritiumells, but like I said, I'm not familiar with samba03:28
netsnipercwillu, it seems to have worked okay, but why doesn't Hoary have it in Universe?03:28
tritiumells, connect in what way?03:28
netsniperit seems that the sun JDK is often used03:28
cwilluit's technically not a legal download03:29
tritiumells, what do you need to be able to do?03:29
ellstritium: naw, access to files03:29
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geppyleveldoc: No such file or directory03:29
ellstritium: pull them across ya know03:29
tritiumells, if you just need files, why not openssh-server?03:29
cwillui.e., nobody is liscenced to provide anything other than the exact binary  sun provides03:29
haydencan i ask a question about C here03:29
netsniperright, but multivers includes "illegal" dl rights?03:29
ellstritium: I am even less familiar with that03:29
cwilluno, it includes patent encumbered03:29
cafuegoillegal?03:29
ellstritium: can you walk me thru it03:29
leveldocgeppy: basically, /usr/src/linux should as the symbolic link point to /usr/src/linux-2.6.whatever, right?03:29
tritiumells, it provides a ssh server, so you can ssh and sftp into your machine03:30
geppyleveldoc: But even if I'm in my home directory, and I try to create a link from 'asdf' to 'Desktop', I still get "Operation not permitted"03:30
geppyleveldoc: Right.03:30
leveldocok03:30
tritiumells, sudo apt-get install openssh-server03:30
Funraiserdownloading a file @ 90KB/sec...now we're talkin'!03:30
Funraiser(torrent)03:30
leveldocgeppy: please tell me the exact command you're using03:30
cafuegotritium: 'apt-get install ssh' includes an ssh and sftp server.03:30
geppyleveldoc: sudo link /usr/src/linux /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.11-103:30
tritiumcafuego, yes, and a client as well03:31
cwilluokay 2.6.11 doesn't work for me :)03:31
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geppycwillu:  If you use the 'noinotify03:31
tritiumit just depends on openssh-server and -client03:31
geppy cwillu 'noinotify' option on boot, it might =)03:31
leveldocgeppy: try this: "sudo ln -s /usr/src/linux /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.11-1"03:31
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cwilluit crashes immediately when the desktop comes up03:31
ikamahello03:31
SiRrUscwillu didnt for me either03:31
cwillubut then again, 2.6.10 and 2.6.8 haven't been working for me either :p03:32
haydenhow can i check string equivalency in C?03:32
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ikamai ve fount the problem with usb bluetooth dongle03:32
cafuegohayden: strstr03:32
kapputustrcmp03:32
cwillu_wrong_ forum though :p03:32
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cafuegosorry, yes strcmp (see also stricmp)03:32
haydenok thanks03:32
ikamaudev doesnt makes the device nodes03:32
tritiumthanks for pointing it out, though, cafuego.  You're right, the client would be handy too03:32
cafuegodamn php syntax. strcasecmp03:32
leveldocgeppy: did it work?03:33
geppyleveldoc:  Oddly, that created the 'linux' link in /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.11-1 =/03:33
guest_anyone know anything about yahoo messenger for ubuntu i don't like the idea of non-free software on my boxes, but i run an internet cafe and people are so damn dependent on yahoo... help03:33
geppyguest_:  Try GAIM03:33
guest_we already use and love gaim03:33
kapputuyes ymessenger for linux works good but without support for webcam n stuff03:33
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kapputugaim is cool03:33
cafuegoIf gaim won't work, I think jabber supports everything under the sun03:33
geppyguest_:  I don't think that the official Yahoo client has any features that GAIM has03:33
kapputuwhat do ppl use to have webcam support?03:34
cwilluguest_:  gaim works with icq, yahoo, msn, aol, irc, etc...03:34
geppyerm, hasn't03:34
kapputuI currently have a webcam server to replace03:34
leveldocgeppy: ok, other way around. :-) Syntax is: ln -s [target]  directory03:34
tritiumcafuego, I haven't seen you around in some time.  How have you been?03:34
guest_will gaim do webcams03:34
tritiumguest_, no03:34
Funraisernope03:34
geppyleveldoc: I was using that syntax =/03:34
kapputugnomemeeting interfaces with yahoo?03:35
kapputuyahoo uses a closed protocol right?03:35
Funraiserdon't think so03:35
geppyleveldoc:  'sudo ln -s /usr/src/linux /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.11-1'03:35
cafuegotritium: Busily avoiding work, mainly.03:35
kapputuI wish I could spend more time with ubuntu03:35
Funraiseri mean gnomemeeting with yahoo don't work03:35
tritiumcafuego, :)03:35
leveldocgeppy: so if you're in /usr/src and you have that linux-headers-2.6.11-1 directory there, enter ln -s linux-headers-2.6.11-1 linux03:35
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geppyleveldoc:  Or, in /usr/src, 'sudo ln -s linux linux-headers-2.6.11-103:36
leveldocgeppy: yes03:36
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cwilluhmm03:36
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geppyleveldoc:  Oh, my mistake!03:36
geppyleveldoc:  Much thanks! =D03:36
Funraiserguest_ for video u are kind of screwed03:36
leveldocgeppy: np03:36
ikamaanybody has solved problem with udev doesn't creates rfcomm03:36
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kapputuset up a webcam server03:36
kapputuit's damn easy03:37
dazedgeppy: what will that do for you?03:37
guest_we have a webcam server that runs unix03:37
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guest_im talking about people being able to see other personal webcams03:37
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geppydazed:  Compiling my nvidia module?03:38
geppydazed:  I have the module installed for 2.6.10-4, and I'd rather build it for 2.6.11 before I get into X than after03:38
Funraiserguest_ i mean for webcams on ubuntu exept gnomemeeting i think nothing works, (to the limited extend of my knowledge on this)03:38
guest_thanks all03:38
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netsniperwhy nvidia sucks for one reason: driver 6629 fails to work with WXGA laptop widescreens, and 6111 doesn't work in kernels >=2.6.9!!!  Wtf should people that have widescreen lappys and 2.6.10 hoary kernel do?03:39
Funraiseramsn doesn't have webcam options for instance03:39
dazedgeppy: lol i have no idea what u are talking about i was just wondering what u were doing all this for sounds like some tough stuff03:39
geppydazed:  Oh, haha. =)03:40
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Funraiserthey have to include webcams for amsn really quick03:40
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projectmayhemhey guys anyone here use limewire? i'm having a little bit of trouble...03:40
_ominaeis there a dvd iso for ubuntu?03:40
geppyprojectmayhem: Does your Java JVM work?03:40
netsniperi have it going hee03:40
geppy_ominae: I think you'll need to build one using Jigdo03:40
netsniperlimewire kinda sucks though03:40
geppynetsniper: That's preference.03:41
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_ominaegerppy: like debian huh?03:41
netsniperhehe, i recommned newsgroups03:41
projectmayhemgeppy yeah, it starts up fine but it hangs up when i try to set my downloads folder...03:41
geppy_ominae: Yes, like Debian =)03:41
geppyprojectmayhem: Hmm, are you doing anything odd with your downloads folder?03:41
geppyprojectmayhem: Try leaving it as default? =P03:42
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projectmayhemhmm...03:42
projectmayhemi guess03:42
eb0xafter i have done the apt-get distupdate or w/e the command was03:43
Funraiserguest_ all u can do is use Gaim and explain that it's yahoo messenger compatible...03:43
eb0xdo i just restart?03:43
projectmayhemi left it on default and it did the same thing... :-/03:43
geppyprojectmayhem:  =/03:43
Funraiserguest_ webcams will work soon on gaim i bet03:43
geppyFunraiser:  I highly doubt it.03:44
Funraiserwhy not?03:44
dazedlol03:44
projectmayhemgeppy exactly my sentiments... the LimeWire loading screen takes forever too... its on "Loading Messages" for a while now03:44
Funraisereverything is possible03:44
eb0xafter i have done the apt-get distupdate or w/e the command was03:44
eb0xdo i just restart?03:44
dazedapt-get dist-upgrade *?03:45
geppyprojectmayhem:  Try contacting the people who built it?  I wouldn't know of anything else to try, other than google03:45
eb0xYes03:45
tritiumwhat ever happened to the gaim_vv project?03:45
dazedand it did its thing?03:45
eb0xyes03:45
dazedur good to go03:45
projectmayhemok thanks geppy03:45
eb0xso restart?03:45
dazedno need03:46
geppyprojectmayhem:  No problem, sorry that I couldn't help.03:46
Funraiserobviously, gaim's objective is to reach as many people as possible, well they gonna have to find a way to make webcams works then03:46
projectmayhemgeppy does apt-get have gtk-gnutella? that would help if you knew that03:46
geppyFunraiser:  Well, they probably aren't going, regardless.03:46
geppyprojectmayhem: I believe so. =)03:46
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Funraiserwe will see03:46
eb0x*** Could not run GTK+ test program, checking why...03:46
eb0x*** The test program failed to compile or link. See the file config.log for the03:46
eb0x*** exact error that occurred. This usually means GTK+ is incorrectly installed.03:46
eb0xconfigure: error:03:46
eb0x*** GTK+ 2.0 is required to build Gaim; please make sure you have the GTK+03:46
projectmayhemthx a bunch03:46
eb0x*** development headers installed. The latest version of GTK+ is03:46
geppyprojectmayhem: If not, there is amule =)03:47
eb0x*** always available at http://www.gtk.org/.03:47
eb0xSomeone said that hoary would have GTK+ 2.003:47
projectmayhemyeah amule won't connect to a server though03:47
eb0xAnd yet I still cannot install this program ;/03:47
projectmayhemhoary doesn't have gtk 2.0?03:47
projectmayhemi mean warty*03:47
tritiumeb0x, i told you that Warty has gtk 2.003:47
Funraiseramule works fine here03:47
tritiumseveral times03:47
eb0xwell it didnt03:47
eb0xbecause it said that on warty.03:47
eb0xand it still says that now that i have upgraded03:47
tritiumeb0x, you need to istall the -dev library if you want to compile03:47
Funraiser(but bittorent ROCKS)03:47
Funraiserbram rulezz03:48
projectmayhemfunraiser my ports won't open with bittorrent don't ask me why...03:48
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projectmayhemfunraiser i open my ports to use azureus and i never get a good signal..i always get like 1 kb max03:48
thunter77how about getting latest version of firefox on warty.... can use use synaptic to do it and if so what about the no root password problem?03:48
Funraiserprojectmayhem are u familiar with portforwarding?03:48
tritiumeb0x, you need libgtk2.0-dev03:49
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tritiumeb0x, and that was also available in Warty, as I told you03:49
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projectmayhemfunraiser a little... i've looked it up how to do it on google and followed all the directions03:49
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Funraiserprojectmayhem are u behind a NAT?03:49
projectmayhemfunraiser NAT?03:49
ikamaanybody has also probs with udev and usb bluetooth dongle (rfcomm is not created)03:49
eb0xtritium: Which -dev thing do I need?03:50
projectmayhemFunraiser i'll be right back but hold that thought... g2 reboot gnome03:50
eb0xThere are a bunch of gtk things03:50
curatorAnyone know what might cause a "Failed to create filesystem" when doing an install?  Happens after partitioning regardless of which fs I choose.03:50
Funraiserok03:50
tritiumeb0x, see my last message to you03:50
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tritiumeb0x,  libgtk2.0-dev03:50
dazedcurator are u trying to install on NTFS?03:50
tritiumeb0x, that's in both Warty and Hoary.  You didn't have to upgrade just for that03:50
thunter77hi people... anybody have a clue on how about getting latest version of firefox on warty.... can you use synaptic to do it and if so what about the no root password problem?03:51
curatorI have NTFS on hda1, created new partition hda2 and tried to format as ext3.03:51
curatorWith swap on hda3.03:51
goldfishthunter77: the pass is your login password03:51
candrewshey all, quick question: I have a dothan laptop, and whenever I boot from the live cd, i get Grub stage 1.5, then "Error 21" any alternative cd images i can try? will this affect me if i install it on my HDD?03:51
dazedand it said failed to create file system??03:51
dazedon a fresh partition?03:51
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curatorYeah.  And if I use the livecd to format the file system and try to just mount it instead, it tells me errors were detected.03:51
dazedawkward...03:52
Funraiserprojectmayhem is your PC part of a LAN ?03:52
dazedvery...03:52
thunter77I am used to free debian way of thinking... apt-get anything03:52
projectmayhemFunraiser yeah03:52
curatorI must be doing something stupid.  :)03:52
Funraisersee that's the problem03:52
dazedi cant think of what it is03:52
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Funraiserso u have a router somewhere?03:52
projectmayhemfunraiser i have a static IP though, is my router still blocking it?03:52
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Funraiseru router doesn't know where to send all that03:53
Funraiserwhen u use bittorrent03:53
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projectmayhemfunraiser can i tell my router where to send it?03:53
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Funraiseryes03:53
ShadowRagewhat country is ubuntu based out of?03:53
Funraiserthat's called portforwarding03:53
ShadowRageif the US, what state03:53
error_29South Africa, i think.03:53
desrtestonia03:53
candrewsgrub error 21? help? :-)03:53
Funraiserjust forward one port03:53
curatorIf I switch to another console away from the install and ls in /dev, I don't see the hda* entries there.  Is that normal?03:53
Funraiserto your IP on the LAN (it starts by 192.168 etc03:54
hou5tonok ... used Outport to get calendar and contacts into Evolution ... seemed to work pretty well ... but for some reason the contacts are not visible when addresing an email03:54
hou5tonand help?03:54
ShadowRagedesrt: really?03:54
hou5ton*any*03:54
desrtShadowRage; no :)03:54
projectmayhemfunraiser how do i double check my IP address?03:54
ShadowRagereally, what country?03:54
Funraiserand it azureus tell it which port it is03:54
projectmayhemi know the first part is 192.168.1.something03:54
ikamaerror_29,  could you helpme pleeeease?03:55
eyequeueprojectmayhem:  ifconfig03:55
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projectmayhemwhat port should i open?03:55
Funraiserprojectmayhem we are talking about your IP adress on the LAN, not the one seen from the outside03:55
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Funraiseru can pick anyone u want to in the 50000 range03:55
goldfishprojectmayhem: port 6881 for azureus03:56
projectmayhemfunraiser so which one is that on ifconfig list?03:56
tritiuminet addr:03:56
Funraiserit starts by 192.168.something03:56
dazedits the local ip03:56
projectmayhemfunraiser ok its inet addr not bcast03:56
Funraiserhow many PC are there in your LAN03:56
Funraiser?03:56
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projectmayhem2 in actuality, but my one computer is a dual boot so the router sees three03:57
ponds_Installed Hoary preview from cd -> Gnome won't start, gdm works fine, other WMs work fine, anyone seen this?03:57
thunter77per www.distrowatch.com isle of man03:57
hou5tontritium:   hey ... got Outport and got the calendar and contacts in Evolution.... and can veiw each of them ... except when I am addressing an email .. then the contacts don't show up???03:57
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hou5tonany ideas?03:57
geppy|foodingAnyone in here know about nvidia/2.6.11?03:57
Funraisernetwork settings (here in ubuntu) hosts , u see your ip number03:57
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tritiumhou5ton, what do you mean they don't show up?03:58
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hou5tontritium:   when you are addressing an email, and click on the TO button, they aren't there.03:58
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tritiumhou5ton, you have the right address book selected?03:58
hou5tontritium: there's only one there03:58
tritiumhou5ton, but your contact list shows them?03:59
Funraiserprojectmayhem: computer/system configuration/networking/hosts03:59
ikamaudev doesn' creates nodes for rfcomm (bluetooth)03:59
hou5tontritium:   hep03:59
ikamawhy03:59
hou5tonyep03:59
tritiumhou5ton, don't know...03:59
ikamait seems all is configured ok03:59
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sproingiehm why cant i find a kernel-source package for 2.6.11?04:00
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Funraiserand then 192.168.bla bla...u go to your router settings and say for 50134 tcp "your ip here" 50134 tcp (or something like that depending on router config)04:00
sal002Hello!04:00
dazedi live in the blazeabego04:00
sproingielatest i can see is for 2.6.904:00
Funraiserand then 192.168.bla bla...u go to your router settings and say for 50134 tcp "your ip here" 50134 tcp (or something like that depending on router config)04:00
ikamasal002, hello04:00
sal002Anyone have Ubunut get through stage 1, reboot and then just come up with root prompt?04:00
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Funraisermy bad04:01
projectmayhemfunraiser is it just tcp or both? i thought azureus just said to open both ports...04:01
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Funraiserjust tcp04:01
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sal002ikama, hello04:01
Funraiserboth tcp and udp u mean?04:01
Gfaulthow custom ubuntu ?04:01
projectmayhemfunraiser yeah04:01
Funraiseri did just tcp and it works well...pretty fast04:01
projectmayhemfunraiser ok04:02
Gfaulthow custom ubuntu-live ?04:02
nixmandarn my usb mouse has light until the hotplug starts up. i see USB HC TakeOver failed04:02
sal002I am now using dselect to get the rest of the packages, but isn't warty supposed to install X and all that?04:02
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Funraiser67KB/sec as we speak, on one file only04:02
ikamasal002, do you know something about udev04:02
sal002udev?04:02
DazeD||laptopfunraiser did u do all that to get bittorrents to dl fast?04:02
DazeD||laptoplol04:02
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ikamayes, the automatik device node creating system04:03
sproingiei got 400KB/sec from the torrent04:03
Funraiserall that?04:03
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DazeD||laptopwhy was it going slow cuz it had to process through your router longer ?04:03
DazeD||laptopcuz my torrents go slow aswell04:04
sal002No - sorryikama: sorry - I am new to ubuntu04:04
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Funraiserwhat is "slow"?04:04
goldfishyou gotta open ports for it04:04
DazeD||laptop5kb04:04
DazeD||laptop604:04
txzDagaZ, do you have the ports forwarded to you machine04:04
ikamaok04:04
DazeD||laptop20 max04:04
DazeD||laptopon a cable conn04:04
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sproingieif you're not accepting requests, you'll only dl from seeders04:05
Funraisersproingie it depends on your upspeed, + depends kind of files downloading04:05
sproingiewhich makes it slow04:05
ponds_has anyone successfully installed off the hoary preview iso?04:05
ponds_for x8604:05
projectmayhemponds i ran live cd04:05
DazeD||laptopwell i just started with bittorrents so im new to all of it and it just goes really slow04:05
SiRrUsponds_ yes sir works great04:05
sproingiei did, but for amd6404:05
DazeD||laptopso i was wondering how to make it go fast04:05
ponds_hrm, everything seemed to work for me except gnome will not start04:06
goldfishFunraiser: where u get torrents from ?04:06
sproingiei got comparable speeds just downloading it from a .edu mirror04:06
Funraisererrr...is it ok to give torrent sites here?04:06
sproingieedu mirrors usually have big bandwidth04:06
DazeD||laptopsprongie: so if  i accept requests then ill dl faster...how do i accept requests?04:06
goldfishFunraiser: pm04:06
bryanDazeD||laptop:  what kinda torrent are you downloading04:06
projectmayhemponds sounds like you should try to reinstall... have you rebooted gnome once or twice?04:06
sal002ikama: I don't even know how to complete the install ;P04:06
bryanhow many seeds are there04:06
DazeD||laptopmusic ... moies04:06
bryanare you connectable?04:06
DazeD||laptopmovies*04:06
bryanor are you in passive04:07
ponds_projectmayhem: i havent rebooted any, ive tried to start gnome multiple times though04:07
DazeD||laptopnot many seeds usually sometimse theres a lot04:07
DazeD||laptopi duno how to be either bryan04:07
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SiRrUsponds_ try rebooting04:07
ponds_k, brb04:07
bryanwell, if you have a router, you'll need to forward the ports to your local ip address04:07
projectmayhemponds just try to reinstall... did you check the installation log for any errors? that's the best i can give you...04:07
projectmayhemto the local ip address or the machines ip address?04:07
bryanand if you've got a software firewall you need to allow connections on the specific ports04:07
error_29I'm downloading the hoary torrent now, to install on another partition; what should I use (in hoary) to burn the disk?04:07
bryanyour machines local ip04:07
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SiRrUserror_29 graveman works good04:08
sproingiegaaah emacs defaults are hideous04:08
projectmayhembryan ok, i have a router and my machines ip is 192.168.1.30 so i opened port 50134 on that... should that work?04:08
DazeD||laptopbryan how i go about that...the machine doing the torrents is a windows machine mind you04:08
DazeD||laptoptheres no firewall...its an open wireless hub04:08
sproingiexemacs has sensible defaults ... but is so slow these days04:08
DazeD||laptopbryan what should i do?04:09
Funraiserprojectmayhem u have to set that port on azureus now04:09
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error_29Thanks SiRuUs, I'll try it.04:09
projectmayhemok but otherwise i should be good04:09
projectmayhemthanks guys04:09
NeoChaosXcrud04:09
Funraiseryes04:09
NeoChaosXI hate how the gxine plugin has to keep buffering a file04:10
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Funraiserwhen u run the wizard on azureus u can test your port04:10
pondsk, im embarassed now, thanks SiRrUs and projectmayhem04:10
Funraiserif it says it's ok then...it's ok04:10
SiRrUsponds lol np works ok now?04:10
pondsyeah :)04:10
SiRrUsgood stuff04:10
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NeoChaosXshouldn't gxine have the capability to keep buffering while it's playing?04:11
Funraisergoldfish u got the second link?04:11
shadeofgreyokay guys -- how do i copy all the .ttf files in font:/// (nautilus) to my ~/.fonts folder using nautilus04:11
goldfishyeah thanks Funraiser04:11
error_29NeoChaosXWhat is gxine, as opposed to simply xine?04:11
NeoChaosXi believe gxine is a gnome front end for xine04:11
NeoChaosXnot completely sure04:12
error_29I had xine running before, fine on its own04:12
jdubtotem-xine is the most elite gnome frontend for xine, though :)04:12
NeoChaosXI see04:12
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SiRrUsjdub it was worth the wait04:12
error_29I'm not clear about what "front-ends" are for, actually--04:12
error_29xine looks great on its own, what does a front-end do?04:13
DazeD||laptopFunraiser: pm04:13
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eyequeueuser interface?04:13
goldfishuser end04:13
MartokHey, how do I make oggs play by hovering my mouse over them?04:13
shadeofgreywhat is xine?04:13
NeoChaosXvideo player04:13
shadeofgreyahhh04:14
error_29I'd rather have totem acting/looking like xine, than the reverse, personally.04:14
NeoChaosXwhat's the best mozila plugin to use with totem-xine?04:14
shadeofgreyanybody have an answer to my font problem?04:14
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farruinnshadeofgrey: why do you need to do that?04:14
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jduberror_29: totem-xine integrates very nicely into gnome04:14
jduberror_29: not just look'n'feel04:14
MartokHey, how do I make oggs play by hovering my mouse over them?04:14
farruinnshadeofgrey: I'm pretty sure that if you add fonts to fonts:/// they are put in .fonts04:15
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farruinnshadeofgrey: I don't see the need to duplicate your fonts...04:15
repeteshadeofgrey: what is your problem with fonts?  Sorry, I missed it...04:15
sal002is there a way to run level 2 of the install from the command line?04:16
shadeofgreyfarruinn:  because i just paid $60 to register my fav. text editor (editpad) and apparently it doesnt link with the regular fontsfolder04:16
MartokHey, how do I make oggs play by hovering my mouse over them?04:16
shadeofgreyand its VERY hasrd to write 300 pages of manuscript using the base ubuntu fonts04:16
shadeofgreyreally all i want is for editpad to be able to use "Day Roman" ...  idont care about any of the others really04:16
eyequeuehow does a font effect writing?04:17
farruinnshadeofgrey: hm, I still don't think copying the fonts to ~/.fonts is the right solutoin, but have you tried opening two nautilus windows?04:17
shadeofgreyand i would assume that i have to put it in the ~/.fonts area for my user04:17
eyequeueisn't a font eye candy?04:17
MartokHey, how do I make oggs play by hovering my mouse over them?04:17
farruinnMartok: that is _not_ the way to get help here04:17
farruinnwe heard you the last five times04:18
MartokWhat's the way to get help?04:18
shadeofgreyokay well...  ive already moved all the ttfs into font:///  -- editpad isnt showing any of the ones i copied in its list of availables.  butevery other word processor on disk can see them... theres over 900 in all04:18
MartokI just figured nobody saw what I was typing.04:18
shadeofgreybelieve us.  we see you04:19
error_29Hmm, well, the thing is jdub, i kind of like less "integrated" stuff some times; hard to explain, but after a while apps looking so uniform gets tiring04:19
farruinnMartok: ask your question, if someone knows the answer they'll give you an answer, but please wait at least 10 or 15 minutes before repeating the question04:19
eyequeueshadeofgrey:  sounds lke yur commercial app isn't confured to look in standard places?04:19
bryan_i see, and i have no idea04:19
MartokI guess nobody knows how to help me then.04:19
shadeofgreyits editpad pro04:19
eyequeueshadeofgrey:  what docs come with it for that price?04:19
MartokThanks04:19
shadeofgreymartok:  www.ubuntuguide.org is a good place to start04:19
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MartokUbuntu guide does have my problem.04:20
eyequeueshadeofgrey:  does the man page say where it looks?04:20
shadeofgreynope04:20
MartokDoesn't*04:20
shadeofgreylemme try google one more time04:20
Funraiserin spain torrents are legal ----> ain't spanish cool people ?04:20
eyequeueshadeofgrey:  strace perhaps04:20
farruinnMartok: honestly I've never heard of anything like that before04:21
goldfishshadeofgrey: u want to move them all?04:21
goldfishshadeofgrey: that's all u want to do?04:21
shadeofgreygoldfish:  no.  just one04:21
eyequeueFunraiser:  legal here too04:21
goldfishk04:21
Funraiserwhere ?04:21
eyequeueFunraiser:  us04:21
dazedillegal torrents are out there04:21
Martokfarruinn: In Ubuntu I can play Mp3s and Wavs by hovering my mouse over the icons. Just not oggs.04:21
jduberror_29: it's not just the look'n'feel :)04:21
MartokIt's weird.04:21
dazedbut torrents are legal04:21
eyequeueFunraiser:  you can d/l a nuber of linux distros that way04:21
goldfishthey are04:21
shadeofgreygoldfish:  are you an editpad pro user?04:22
farruinnMartok: do you hear the entire song or is it some sort of "preview"?04:22
goldfishshadeofgrey: nope04:22
MartokThe entire song.04:22
Funraiseryeah well let's say 99% of torrents are illegal04:22
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farruinnshadeofgrey: what do you have in ~/.fonts now?04:22
dazedjust the ones u think that would be illegal like ones where ud usually have to pay for it those are illegal04:22
dazedlol yeah funraiser04:22
goldfishshadeofgrey: I just saw your all files from one folder to another question04:22
shadeofgreyfarruinn:  i dont know how to look in the  /.fonts folder04:22
shadeofgreywith terminal04:23
shadeofgrey?04:23
eyequeueFunraiser:  quess i've never been exposed to those04:23
repeteMartok: not sure I know in which context you are speaking...04:23
farruinnshadeofgrey: cd ~ ; ls .fonts04:23
Funraiserreally04:23
dazedalright all well time to head down to the buddies house and abuse his wireless connection hahah04:23
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eyequeueshadeofgrey:  ls -la ~/.fonts/04:23
repeteMartok: in Nautilus?  Like getting a preview?04:23
Funraisereyequeue...well i haven't either!04:23
Martokrepete: Yeah, but it plays the whole song.04:23
eyequeueFunraiser:  heh04:23
sal002Okay..anyone getting an error installing new iptables?04:23
goldfishMartok: how to you get them to play by hovering over them?04:24
repeteMartok: where have you seen this feature before?04:24
farruinnMartok: that preview thing is set to preview files of only a certain size by default - are the oggs too big?04:24
Martokfarriunn: Let me check.04:24
Martokgoldfish: They just play.04:24
Martokrepete: In nautilius04:24
eyequeuesal002:  if it helps any, someone seemed to be asking about iptables earlier04:24
sal002okay...04:25
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eyequeuesal002:  check bugzilla if no one replies04:25
Martokfarruninn: No, the ogg is smaller then the wav.04:25
shadeofgreythey're all in there04:25
sal002But no one knows how to finish an install?  What is the apt-get name for xfree?04:25
shadeofgreyamazing04:25
dazed||ootpeace yall04:25
farruinnMartok: heh, weird04:25
shadeofgrey...why dont they show up then?04:25
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MartokYeah!04:25
farruinnMartok: is there a gstreamer plugin for ogg? maybe you need that?04:25
eyequeuesal002:  xserver-xfree8604:25
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farruinnshadeofgrey: the program isn't looking there04:25
eyequeuesal002:  warty?04:25
sal002No..my install after first reboot just brought up a prompt04:26
error_29ok ok jdub, i believe you!  I'll check 'em all out! ;-)04:26
sal002yes04:26
farruinnshadeofgrey: does the program have its own fonts directory?04:26
Martokfarriunn: I don't know. I'm still an ogg/gnu/linux newbie.04:26
bur[n] eranyoen know if the latest ubuntu release includes a bootsplash?04:26
sal002argh!  can't find package!04:26
jdubbur[n] er: it doesn't.04:26
mikepjust upgraded to hoary. the install was a little long but went smooth. so far so good.04:26
eyequeuesal002:  apt-get install gdm perhaps04:26
jdubbur[n] er: we're not going to use bootsplash itself, ever.04:26
bur[n] era bootpslash alternative?  or just nothing?04:27
jdubbur[n] er: we were hoping to ship a userspace graphical boot thingy, but were unable to.04:27
jdubhopefully next release04:27
bur[n] eraww, righto, just curious :)04:27
difektagraphical boot?04:27
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difektait already has a splash screen.04:27
difektaoh!  you mean like instead of grub's text?04:27
jdubdifekta: no, the entire boot process04:27
farruinnMartok: make sure gstreamer-vorbis is installed04:27
shadeofgreyi havent the slightest idea04:27
difektadude, ubuntu is seriously starting to look like something grandma could use.04:27
bur[n] erbootsplash needs a special kernel thing... is that built into the ubuntu kernel so I can add one post-install?  or do I need to make my own if i want a pretty boot up?04:27
difektajdub:  uh..like i said, grub?04:27
shadeofgreyfarruinn:  but it would seem to be the case hmmmm?04:28
difektaoh no, i see what you mean.04:28
bur[n] erdifekta: after grub... before gnome04:28
eyequeuedifekta:  i've already installed it for a greatgrandmother04:28
difektaright.04:28
Funraiserdifekta maybe not grandma but mum yes04:28
sal002hmm..where are my apt-get sources configured?04:28
jdubdifekta: grub is the bootloader, only appears for a couple of seconds. the boot process includes everything after that until gdm appears.04:28
eyequeueFunraiser:    i've already installed it for a greatgrandmother04:28
difektayup.04:28
Funraiserand is she "using" it?04:28
error_29just as long as prettier doesn't mean slower...04:28
eyequeueyes04:29
farruinnshadeofgrey: if you paid 60 bucks for the thing I'd imagine you could get some support for it04:29
farruinnshadeofgrey: or at least check its documentation04:29
pondsanyone tried gnome-keyring yet? i cant seem to find what im supposed to run to get the ui...04:29
difektai still really think that non-critical services should boot as a last priority to getting the login up.04:29
Funraiserthat greatgrandmother is 60?04:29
shadeofgreyyeah i concur04:29
shadeofgreythanks for the help tho guys04:29
sproingielinux has always been good for ultra-novice users04:30
eyequeueFunraiser:  firefox and mahjong seem her primary apps04:30
Funraiserlol04:30
sproingieit's the ones that want to be power users that run into real confusion04:30
eyequeueFunraiser:  older actually04:30
Funraisernice04:30
difektayeah, those power users who wanted to burn cd's.04:30
Funraiserwell that's good news for linux04:30
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sproingiewhen something doesn't work for a novice, it's just something that computer won't do04:31
difektaor have their drives automatically be mounted.04:31
sproingiefor medium users, when their printer isnt supported, say, then well dagnabit, what's going on, how am i gonna fix this, what is all this, etc04:31
Funraiserbut when something works flawlessly, it useless04:31
farruinnsproingie: but that is how they learn04:31
difektawhat's wrong with this line that stops users from being able to access this drive? /dev/hdb1       /mnt/hd2        ntfs     rw,user        0       004:31
farruinnFunraiser: what?!04:31
sproingiesome people don't care about learning.  i dont want to learn how my AC works04:32
sproingiei just want it to work04:32
eyequeuerw and ntfs together?04:32
difektaoh duh04:32
haydencan someone tell me what is wrong with this c statement-> strcmp(argv[1] , "EXIT") = 0)04:32
haydenif04:32
sproingiei know basically how my transmission works.  but god knows i don't want to learn exactly how04:32
difektano no..that's not the problem.04:32
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sproingiehayden: sure there's an argv[1] ?04:32
PacoBCNhi there04:32
SiRrUshello04:32
PacoBCNstill problems recording DVDs04:32
sproingiehayden: and it looks like assignment and not equality.  could be my font04:33
PacoBCNlooks like images can't be stored in fat32 partitions04:33
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eyequeuesproingie:  here too04:33
haydenyea04:33
mrproperCould someone help me test a problem with gnome-launch-box04:33
PacoBCNas well as Azureus can't store in fat3204:33
sproingiehayden: compiling with -Wall should have screamed bloody murder ... assuming it would compile at all04:33
haydensproingie, i want to compare if they both equal the same then do something04:33
sproingiei imagine it wouldn't compile.  add another equals sign.  check argc to make sure you HAVE an arg while you're at it04:34
eyequeue==04:34
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sproingieuse strncmp unless you really want to force 'em to use uppercase04:34
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haydensproingie, does that ignore case?04:35
sproingiehayden: that's precisely what it does04:35
difektadoes anyone know what's wrong with my fstab entry?04:35
haydenok ill use that instead04:35
Funraiserfarruinn when something works very well very often that is because it is old and has been tested extensively, when it's flawless that means it's old and people are using something else, newer, but with...flaws...hence when it's flawless, it's useless04:35
PacoBCNok, Azureus issue solved04:35
asubediso the new kernel does not have sonypi compiled?04:35
curatorAnyone have any idea while formatting a new partition during ubuntu install might fail?  Tried ext3, ext2, reiserfs, and even fat16.04:35
sproingiehayden: but check argc to make sure you have that many args.  otherwise crashie crashie04:36
sproingiei dont recommend fat16 :)04:36
sproingiecurator: fail how?04:36
curatorYeah, I know, but just making sure nothing worked.  :)04:36
haydenyep04:36
curatorThe background turns red and it says "failed creating filesystem".  It then pops back to the partition screen.04:37
sproingieah nice.  is there an error log on another vc?04:37
haydensproingie, if i type this to run the program is EXIT argv[0]  or [1]       ./a.out EXIT04:37
sproingiemaybe alt-f2 will show you?  i dont know ubuntu installer that well04:37
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eyequeuetry both alt-f2 and alt-f3, i'm not sure which either04:38
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curatorFound it.  Bunch of errors.  Looks like the problem occurs when running /sbin/tune2fs04:38
sproingiehayden: argv[0]  is the name of the program you run.  your args start at argv[1] 04:38
haydenok04:38
curatorno such file with /dev/ide/host0/target0/lun0/part2 ?04:38
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haydensproingie, i am used to java where the args start at arg[0]  i believe04:39
sproingiehayden: it's easier to think of argv as representing the whole command line04:39
sproingiehayden: there's lots of programs that actually change behavior on argv[0] .  busybox for one04:39
Funraiserpersonnaly i'm not using ubuntu because windows sucks (xp never crashed on me..)but only because it's free04:39
haydenok04:40
eyequeuehayden:  0 is used to see "what was i invoked as?" sometimes04:40
haydenyep04:40
sproingiechanging argv[0]  is one of those things that used to be deep magic04:40
sproingienowadays it's almost portable04:40
cbgbwhat can i do with my resolution with ubuntu 1024X768 85 Hz does not work04:41
sproingieFunraiser:  i use and like both linux and windows.  for very different reasons04:41
error_29comparing linux with windows is kind of silly nowadays; for me, windows means all the terrific open source stuff written for windows or ported to it.04:41
haydenhmm, i changed the strcmp statement to this -> if (strncmp(argv[1] , "exit", 81) == 0)                but if i type EXIT as argv[1]  it doesnt do as it should?04:41
haydenbut works with "exit"04:41
sproingieerror_29: right on04:42
curatorOkay, trying to format hda2, both mke2fs and tune2fs complain no such file /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part2.  There is in fact no such file there.  Any clue what I've messed up?04:42
sproingiei see MS sorta like the catholic church.  it moves steadily to enlightened modernity ... but at its own damn pace04:43
Funraisernight all!04:43
Funraisererrr...04:43
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PacoBCNquestion for you all. Is it possible to allow nautilus/graveman to store the temp ISO images in a fat32 partition?04:43
Funraisercatholics to enlight modernity?04:43
error_29"blue nuns of death"04:44
sproingieFunraiser: hey, darwinian evolution is in the official vatican dogma04:44
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PacoBCNsproingie, false04:44
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PacoBCNsproingie, actually in some states of US they want teachers not to teach darwinian theory04:45
Funraiserit is only because they can fight evidences too long04:45
Funraiserthey HAD to accept darwin04:45
sproingiemight take 'em a couple hundred years to get on the social issues ... anyway, parallel of it with MS is that they're almost supporting OSS development04:45
sproingiethey won't opensource anything of theirs, but they're giving ALL the API's away04:45
error_29actually, the religion analogy makes some sense:  Windows, Catholic (comparatively monolithic, though subvertible)04:45
nixmanis there a utility to increase freq scaling on laptops ?04:45
error_29linux, Protestant with an insane number of "distros"04:45
haydensproingie, i changed to strncmp() but it doesnt handle different cases (lower or upper)04:46
sproingiePacoBCN: i think you'll find it's not the vatican pushing that.  anyway, that's klinda not the point04:46
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Funraiserlike they had to accept earth revolving around the sun, but if REASON was not there, catholics where still believing sun rotates around the earth and species are always the same04:46
HrdwrBoBerror_29: well no, not really04:46
sproingiewell, there's institutions and there's followers04:47
sproingiewhich sorta dovetails with the whole OSS thing sometimes04:47
error_29I can't give you a count of either protestant denominations, or linux flavors; new ones all the time04:47
HrdwrBoBlast time I checked04:47
sproingieprobably worth recalling that unix sucked until it was "freed"04:47
error_29but all with the same damn work ethic!04:48
HrdwrBoBno-one had actually killed anyone because they used a different OS04:48
sproingieat&t was basically sitting on it doing nothing, then BSD came out04:48
Funraiserbut the vatican did accept Darwinian theories, how amazing..04:48
error_29The Church just had a hard time giving up Aristotle and Ptolemy, and other pet pagans.04:49
sproingieFunraiser: not so much accepted as stopped challenging them as incompatible, anyway04:49
sproingiewhich is pretty much the same thing04:49
Funraiseri remember the exact phrasing but that's amazing enough04:50
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Funraiser*don't*04:50
error_29Wasn't MSDOS ripped off from something free...?04:51
tizenno they bought it04:51
OppossumI am willing to try an installation of warty on an old thinkpad wich cannot boot from cdrom. Any idea? Is there any floppy boot images?04:51
Funraiseri don't know how they make that compatible with Maria being pregnant by an angel though...04:51
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tizenGuys, is there any public ubuntu apt servers? I'm getting annoyed with these huge speed fluctuations... from 6kB/s to 600 kB/s04:52
sproingieerror_29: sure, CP/M04:52
OppossumI am willing to try an installation of warty on an old thinkpad wich cannot boot from cdrom. Any idea? Is there any floppy boot images? please msg-me04:52
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sproingieerror_29: QDOS (Quick and Dirty Operating System) was legitimately bought by MS.  turns out that QDOS was largely machine-translated from CP/M binaries04:53
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sproingieerror_29: right down to the easter eggs04:53
Teal`cthis will be neat.. trying to preserve my uptime, so i'm gonna have to disable my main drive to pull out the one i want04:53
calamarihi04:53
Teal`chope it doesnt crash the system04:53
sproingienot that CP/M didn't really suck though.  at least QDOS was 16-bit, CP/M wasn't04:54
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nixmanwhere am i supposed to add options for modules ? /etc/modules ?04:55
Funraiserso windows comes from something that was called "dirty operating system" ?04:55
kapputuevolution not working after upgrade to hoary04:55
kapputuin fact it crashes04:55
nixmanFunraiser: windows was invented by a free mason04:55
sproingieFunraiser: yep, every time you type a backslash, remember that it's just a Quick and Dirty OS04:56
Funraiseroh my04:56
sproingieseriously tho, NT's a fine OS.  it's the compatibility crap that sucks04:56
Oppossumcome on i'm sure this place is full of linux gurus... I wish to install ubuntu on a laptop with a non-bootable cdrom drive. Any idea?04:57
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kapputufloppy disks ?04:57
Funraiserno04:57
sproingieFunraiser:  NT (including XP) gets its roots from a more respectable OS: VMS04:57
Oppossumyes but wich image?04:57
kapputuI was just shooting in the dark, I'm sorry04:58
Funraisernt and xp don't have the same roots as w98/2000?04:58
nixmanOppossum: what do you mean ?04:58
kapputuwait04:58
kapputuyou used to be able to do that from the dos prompt04:58
sal002 is there a manual install procedure?04:58
BurgundaviaOppossum: I haven't the foggiest idea how to implement it, but you can something like damn small and go from there04:58
sproingieFunraiser: w2k is also based on NT.  98 is not, it's DOS underneath04:58
Funraiserk04:59
nixmanOppossum: there are floppy disks for debian, i am sure ubuntu has them as well !04:59
kapputuwith RH you used to be able to do loadlin from the dos prompt04:59
sal002I just want to know what I need to do to complete my install04:59
sal002I am now doing an apt-get install gdm.04:59
sproingieFunraiser: the difference between w2k and xp is about as much between debian and ubuntu04:59
kappututhe firefox dns resolution problem has gone away with hoary04:59
kapputuyeah it's just eyecandy on top of w2k05:00
kapputuw2k was very stable when I started using it even tho it was just a beta05:00
sproingiekapputu: and a few extra services05:00
sproingiekapputu: and crippled pipe throughput, for some strange reason05:00
kapputuhmm no idea on that05:00
kapputuupgrading the packages in hoary05:01
kapputuanything I should notice?05:01
Funraiserall right good night all05:01
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SiRrUskapputu yeah a blinding white light05:02
kapputulol05:03
kapputubetter than a BSOD05:03
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SiRrUsi feel left out no updates since i installed the preview :(05:04
kapputuwhy not?05:04
SiRrUsthink it has all the updates05:04
sproingieunless it's today's preview, i doubt it05:05
SiRrUssproingie there was only one preview was there not?05:06
sproingiei thought the previews were snapshots05:06
kapputuI tried out the kubuntu live cd, it was good05:06
SiRrUsthe preview release came out today05:06
sproingiei run kubuntu, more or less.  installed it from plain ubuntu hoary05:06
sproingiebtw, does ubuntu have a branch like "sid", i.e. always unstable?05:07
sal002How do I get ubuntu to boot into gdm?05:07
SiRrUssproingie hoary is still considered unstable05:07
kapputuI'm not able to access webmail from firefox05:07
regeya_so tempted by kubuntu05:07
sproingieSiRrUs: yah but when it goes stable, it won't be like sid05:08
kapputunot sure if I'm missing something05:08
sproingiei guess asking people to update their sources.list every 6 months is fair05:08
kapputuregeya_: kubuntu is super05:08
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SiRrUswhen its stable the next release is scheduled for october05:08
sproingiebeing on the bleeding edge requires a little vigilance ;)05:08
regeya_on the one hand gnome is getting so good with usability...otoh, it seems that for every release of gnome, a few features disappear forever05:08
SiRrUs:)05:08
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sal002okay..what runlevel is gdm?05:08
Quest-MasterHoary is quite stable now.. I upgraded to it a few days ago, and haven't noticed any difference in stability from it and Warty05:08
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Quest-MasterOnly the goodness of being able to run all of the latest applications. :)05:09
SiRrUsyeah i nstalled the preview today works great05:09
regeya_now's when people start bombarding me with "well what disappeared no shut up you don't know what you're talking about just fire up a terminal and add this gconf key genuflect turn around three times and fart out your nose can't believe you didn't think that was easy"05:09
werfuhelp, I just tryed to install ubuntu and it messed up my partition table...05:09
werfu:(05:09
sproingieQuest-Master: for gnome.  kubuntu hoary is definitely bleeding edge at times05:09
Quest-MasterAh, perhaps.05:09
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sal002heh..in my experience even warty is unstable ;)05:10
werfudo someone know a recovery tool for linux^05:10
werfu:S05:10
sproingiei liked gnome til they just up and switched the buttons around.  that sorta soured me05:10
error_29I was happily using kde's kicker in warty gnome, but now it looks like kubuntu or whatever has kind of messed it up, at least in hoary, the kicker now is awful05:11
sproingiekonq definitely has bells and whistles, ioslaves for everything.  nautilus has some nice architecture underneath.05:12
sproingiethey should definitely pay attention to each other05:12
regeya_indeed.05:12
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regeya_so, does kmenuedit still work? ;-)05:12
dizzieFOTM tvcard software? (I got a pinaccle card)05:13
regeya_kde is definitely paying attention to gnome; they've pledged to clean up usability issues05:13
regeya_and gnome is...um...gnome is...uh...cleaning up gnome.05:13
sproingiei dunno.  kde's bleeding edge is definitely more featureful but more broken than gnome's05:13
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sproingiei live for danger tho.  my DE goes away, i run twm til it's fixed :)05:14
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regeya_in gnome's defense, they're doing things right that even apple gets way wrong.05:14
kapputuchecking my conn05:14
lunitiksproingie: TWM? gah... so many better choices... 'apt-cache search x-window-manager'05:15
sproingiecould gnome hire someone who likes color tho?  the default theme, my god05:15
regeya_heh...I think that's also a usability thing05:15
sal002argh!!  What are the available xservers?05:15
lunitiksproingie: you can edit the theme colors... but there are so many themes, you don't have to use the default....05:15
kapputusproingie: do u know of any good theme?05:15
error_29I wish kde would tone down its theming.  evert damn little popup utility has to be themed to death...05:16
lunitikkapputu: gtk2-engines-clearlooks05:16
sproingielunitik: yahbut i just run irc, some terms, a browser window... i make my expiations for the sins of breakage with a retrograde wm until penance is made and it works again ;)05:16
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kapputuis that a package lunitik05:16
regeya_has kde switched to plastik for default, or is it still *shudder* keramik?05:16
lunitikkapputu: yup... apt-get install it.05:16
kaplanfxis it possible to upgrade from a Debian SID install to ubuntu?05:16
sproingiekapputu: yah, i pick the qt theme engine and use plastik05:16
sproingieregeya_: it's plastik by default now05:16
error_29iceWM has some really nice themes05:16
kapputuwhat's plastik?05:17
sproingiekaramik was abominable05:17
lunitikkapputu: apt-cache search gtk2-engine to see all the ones that are compiled in the archive.05:17
sproingiekapputu: kde's default theme.  very subtle and pretty05:17
kaplanfxalso is x.org for ubuntu built with evdev patches?05:17
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kapputuactually I'm upgrading to hoary right now05:17
sal002How do you upgrade to hoary?05:17
lunitiksproingie: thank god they went with Plastik as default for 3.4 I say.05:17
regeya_with the right colorscheme keramik wasn't quite so ass-like05:17
kapputuchange sources.list to hoary instead of warty05:17
SiRrUssal002 why not just d/l burn and install the preview relaese05:17
neomLook how bored I got tonight.05:17
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neomhttp://home.neom.ca/kubuntu2.jpg05:18
sproingieSPEAKING OF BLEEDING EDGE05:18
sproingieCAPS LOCK05:18
sal002I'll do that...I'm just so frustrated with getting warty to work...05:18
sproingiesorry05:18
lunitikSiRrUs: saves time.05:18
factotumheh, 4 years and I finaly found something to stick with05:18
SiRrUslunitik hmmm not really05:18
sproingieplastik is like XP's silver theme, but not nearly as garish05:18
error_29sal002, easy to upgrade through Synaptic; just change all "warty" references to "hoary" and do a smart update05:18
sproingieyou'd think that with MS's billions, that they would make buttons that don't use GRADIENTS05:19
factotumubuntu running xfce, never would have thought05:19
sal002heh...Synaptic GUI based?05:19
lunitikSiRrUs: uhh... change one file... and type 1 command isn't faster than burning a CD, installing... then upgrading again?05:19
sproingielet alone inverting the gradients.  "flexing, like so much cheap plastic"05:19
error_29though if you've messed around a lot with warty already, upgrading might break stuff.05:19
sal002factotum: I want it to run xpde ;)05:19
lunitikSiRrUs: seems illogical, why not cut the crap out and just upgrade?05:19
error_29forget about it if you've been adding backports etc05:19
regeya_indeed sproingie...no excuse for apple beating ms to the punch05:19
regeya_and by so many years05:19
kapputuwhat are backports?05:19
regeya_YEARS05:20
SiRrUslunitik do you get the new desktop with the upgrade?05:20
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lunitikSiRrUs: uhh... yes05:20
sproingieregeya_: actually, the "lickable" widgets are horrid.  i can stand them for about 10 minutes05:20
kapputunew desktop??05:20
SiRrUslunitik guess your correct then05:20
error_29sal002, yes Synaptic packaage manaager is gui for apt-get05:20
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kapputuwhat new desktop05:20
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lunitikkapputu: 2.8 to 2.10...05:20
kapputuoh ok05:20
SiRrUskapputu after your upgrade let me know about your new desktop05:20
sal002error_29: I am about 30 steps from that...since my install stopped midway05:21
kapputuwhat are the major  differences05:21
regeya_I deal with 'em all the time, sproingie.  with the graphite colorscheme you can ignore it easily (which is what you want an interface to be, ignorable)05:21
SiRrUslunitik i didnt say gnome05:21
kapputuI'm upgrading the packages now05:21
kapputuI can't notice the diff05:21
lunitikSiRrUs: uhh... then you must mean Kubuntu? Or Xorg?05:21
sproingieregeya_: yep that's the scheme i like too05:21
kapputuhow's xorg?05:21
error_29ah, well, if you can't install warty, i don't know what to tell you.  maybe a hoary disk will give you better luck, but...05:21
lunitikkapputu: faster...05:21
kapputuis it stable with hoary?05:21
SiRrUslunitik i mean the desktop05:21
regeya_kapputu: from what I've heard...um, try to modify your GNOME menu.  Just try.  I dare ya.  There's your difference. ;-)05:22
kapputulol05:22
lunitikSiRrUs: desktop meaning what exactly?05:22
error_29I hate the gnome menus.05:22
sproingiei thought you could drag n drop to the gnome menu05:22
SiRrUskapputu does you desktop look the same as it did before your upgrade?05:22
regeya_kapputu: and now, brand new, um, totem is *officially* part of gnome.05:22
regeya_I can hardly...*yawn*...contain...my exci...*snore*05:22
kapputuSiRrUs: yeah I guess so05:22
sproingieknow what i wish you could do?  know how when you use alt-f2 (or meta-r) in kde to pop up the run menu?05:23
kapputuneed to see if things work as before05:23
sproingieknow how it shows the icon of whatever program you type in?05:23
sproingiei wish you could drag that icon to the desktop05:23
kapputucan't access school or work webmail from firefox05:23
regeya_and the abominable sound juicer, it's officially part of gnome now05:23
kapputuworks with firefox in windows05:23
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SiRrUskapputu mine doesnt thats what I was saying before lunitik told me i didnt know what i was takling about ;)05:23
error_29And the panels need some work.  I'd like to make 'em transparent, but half the icons gnome uses don't work with transparency, and the menu sections stick out like sore thumbs.05:23
sproingiein fact i wish you could drag that icon to any "open with" menu05:23
sproingieor any dialog asking for the name of a program05:23
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kapputuSiRrUs: in what way is it different?05:24
error_29any why does gnome have to animate the panels on hiding? hate that05:24
sproingiewhat good are icons and drag and drop if you don't make it *totally* pervasive?05:24
regeya_I don't suppose that there's an amarok package for kubuntu, is there?05:24
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sproingieopenwindows had a terrific metaphor that all DE's since then have lost05:24
regeya_do tell05:24
SiRrUskapputu the preview release was a bit different then the usual upgrades05:25
hazmatthere are some standard modules missing from the ubuntu python.. namely the profile module... any ideas where it can be found?05:25
sproingiemost every openwin app had a "this document" icon that you could drag into any other app or text input line05:25
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sproingieor the file manager, etc05:25
desrtsproingie; macos has that05:25
SiRrUsor it seems to be i suppose thats why it just wasnt called array 705:25
regeya_ooooh....I never tried that!05:25
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regeya_whathafuh?  macos has that?05:25
sproingiedesrt: not surprised, i guess macos never forgot its roots.  it started with xerox globalview05:25
kapputuI'm not really sure, I'll wait for the dist-upgrade to finish05:25
sproingieopenwin made it really useful tho05:25
desrtmost good macos applications have a tiny little document icon in the titlebar beside the name of the document that you're editing05:26
desrtyou can drag that icon05:26
regeya_never tried that.  damn.05:26
sproingiedesrt: that is the neatest freakin feature.  if gnome copied that, i'd switch back to it in an instant05:26
kapputuI would like to try out a Mac sometime05:26
desrtmacs are nice.  i run linux on my powerbook and my 2 G5s :)05:26
kappututhey are expensive05:27
desrti didn't pay for any of them :)05:27
kapputudesrt: send me one of them05:27
desrti use them all05:27
desrtand they belong to work05:27
sproingieeh.  mac mini is $599 but it's got some nice hardware inside05:27
desrtlaptop + workstation + server05:27
kapputuI thot 49905:27
sproingiewhups.  $599 for the one with the dvd burner05:27
desrt$62905:27
kapputuoh ok05:28
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sproingiei burn dvds for backups all the time05:28
desrt$749 for dvd burner05:28
kapputuyeah would want a dvd burner05:28
evilyodaanybody have trouble recording from microphone on emu10k1 (Audigy) in ubuntu for amd64?05:28
kapputuwhy have linux on a Mac when u can use Mac OS X05:29
desrti like gnome a lot more than macosx05:29
hazmatugh.. i absolutely the way debian/ubuntu break up packages for no logical reason05:29
sproingiehazmat: like what?05:29
desrt-dev05:29
hazmatlike ruby or python being standard libraries being broken into several parts05:29
desrti feel the same way :)05:29
hazmatit makes tracking and installing stuff a pain in the arse05:29
hazmatlike python-profile which is a std module but is broken out in ubuntu05:30
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curatorOkay... I might be getting closer, bu tnow I'm stuck.  Anyone have any clue why a partition will show up in cfdisk but not in /proc/partitions or in /dev/ide.../lun0 in the installer?05:30
hazmatexcept the pkg is available atm in hoary05:30
sproingienasty.  i usually compile interpreters from source05:30
hazmater isn't05:30
karstenPointer for dual-head setup using _two_ video cards?05:30
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hazmatsproingie, sorta of defeats the purpose of package management..05:30
hazmatbut i guess i might have todo the same05:30
karstenI've got two-output instructions from Wiki, not quite appropriate:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/XineramaMultipleMonitors05:30
tjshow can I setup a 'print to file' printer?05:30
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sproingiehazmat: yep, i'm in agreement.  i'm a bsd ports fan myself05:31
hazmatotoh i did upgrade a kernel via binary today ;-)05:31
desrtgentoo is great05:31
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desrti love it05:31
regeya_hazmat: I've been tempted to start emerging a system via chroot for a couple of weeks now05:31
sproingiei usually prefer bsd, but my hardware's too new05:31
error_29bsd ports, hmm hah! desrt!  I knew gentoo was going to come up05:31
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desrterror_29; do i know you? :)05:32
error_29i'm going to try gentoo--05:32
sproingiefreebsd has netgraph which i always thought was the neatest thing05:32
sproingieshame i never saw it used in the real world05:32
error_29no you don't desrt05:32
error_29just thought you were reading my mind05:32
desrterror_29; excellent.  gentoo rules05:32
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error_29it's either gentoo, or trying debian from scratch05:33
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desrtwhatever you do, don't try ubuntu05:33
desrti've heard that it contains pornography!05:33
curatorWhat could I have screwed up that makes partitions show in cfdisk but not in /proc/partitions or under devfs?  This is driving me crazy.05:33
regeya_gentoo GENTOO gentoo GENTOO gentoo GENTOO05:33
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calamari<-- gentoo = 0, ubuntu = 105:33
desrt<-- gentoo = 4, ubuntu = 105:34
kapputume votes for ubuntu05:34
error_29Ugentu!05:34
regeya_heh05:34
desrt(if i'm voting with hardware, that is)05:34
calamarieew!05:34
BiteMeBillOh it's getting stupid in here tonight.05:34
calamariBiteMeBill: sorry ;)05:34
sproingiegentoo = 4, ubuntu = 28 HOJILLION SO THERE05:34
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sproingiepthpthpth05:34
desrtheh05:34
regeya_hojillion, eh?05:34
dizzieFOTM tvcard software? (I got a pinaccle card)05:34
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lunitikcurator: for one.... Ubuntu doesn't use devfs (udeb/sysfs) ...05:35
froustanyone know how i can change my splash screen on startup (after login, before desktop)?05:35
kapputuhow much does  a tv card cost?05:35
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moetiahow do i update the repositories list?05:35
nixmansomeone plz tell me where (which file) i am supposed to add the options for the nvidia kernel options /etc/modules or /etc/modules.conf ?05:36
lunitikcurator: as for your /proc/partitions... no idea..05:36
curatorlunitik: Okay, I'm totally new and have no clue what I'm doing.  :)  Why might partitions that show up in cfdisk and the installer not show up in proc/partitions or for doing mke2fs?  Thanks for the help.05:36
lunitikmoetia: /etc/apt/sources.list ... change 'warty' to 'hoary'...05:36
dizziekapputu, 25 :)05:36
moetiathanks05:36
froustanyone know?05:37
kapputususe good for a windows replacement?05:37
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poyayanum you have to change the symbolic link froust05:37
dizzieNo one got a clue what software i can use, synapse is silent as the grave when searching on "tvcard"05:37
lunitikcurator: you're having issues related to harddrive? or just confused why its not showing in /proc/partitions?05:37
sproingiekapputu: not if you want to play half life, no05:37
sproingiekapputu: if you want a file server, sure05:37
kapputuI hardly play any games05:37
lunitikdizzie: apt-get install tvtime05:38
froustpoyayan: how does that change it?05:38
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regeya_HI DARTHFROG05:38
DarthFrogkapputu: Suse is a fine distribution.  But why are you asking that question here? :-)05:38
kapputusproingie: I would probably use debian05:38
curatorlunitik: trying to install, when I get to the partitioning/format stage, formatting fails because it can't find /dev/.../part2, which in fact doesn't exist.05:38
dizzielunitik, Thanks :)05:38
DarthFrogHEYA regeya_!05:38
sproingiekapputu: i'd probably use ubuntu, myself05:38
kapputuDarthFrog: I use Ubuntu on my laptop and on my other desktop05:38
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regeya_I keep meaning to give suse a try05:38
kapputujust wanted to try out something new on my main desktop05:38
goldfishits nice05:38
desrtfor all this stuff that i have to fetch from strange places because ubuntu doesn't have portage....05:39
regeya_last time I gave suse a try, well, it was years ago05:39
DarthFrogkapputu: I'm using Ubuntu (KDE) on my laptop and Mandrake on my desktop.05:39
goldfishwe use it in college05:39
desrtis it better to download the .deb as a one-shot deal05:39
goldfishits nice05:39
desrtor is it betetr to add the source to my apt.sources?05:39
sproingieregeya_: it's very redhatlike -- no updates for you unless you pay05:39
kapputuno updates??05:39
kapputudamn05:39
kapputuI guess I'd install Kubuntu05:39
lunitikdesrt: definatly not! else you get in a dep hell not unlike what RPM's are renowned for!05:40
sproingieregeya_: it's a damn solid distro, i recommend it over RHEL.  but only in places where you'd demand something like RHEL05:40
desrtlunitik; so what one am i supposed to do?05:40
regeya_'k05:40
lunitikdesrt: use apt-get ... www.apt-get.org is a good place for software not in the archive...05:40
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DarthFrogSuse & Red Hat are primarily oriented towards the business market.05:41
pointzeroanybody know of a good PGP keyring manager to use with Ubuntu?05:41
desrtlunitik; but then i have a whole whack of weird 3rd party sources05:41
DarthFrogAs is Sun's Java Desktop.05:41
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sproingieyast2 is awesome about reconfiguring everything that needs it and rolling back if it dies05:41
lunitikDarthFrog: no... SuSE is being redirected at home user... while NLD is directed at enterprise.05:41
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kapputuhoary upgrade is taking a long time05:41
regeya_see, I even see people asking questions that make me think "damn, I need to go back to KDE."  like that pgp keyring manager question, man.05:41
moetialunitik, I have opened the /etc/apt/sources.list file but i cannot edit it05:42
kapputuI need to see what it looks like before I go to sleep05:42
goldfishmoetia: u nee to be root i think05:42
DarthFroglunitik: Hmm, that's not my impression.  Tho' I've been known to be wrong before. :-)05:42
goldfishmoetia: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list for example05:42
Banditkapputu i am finnishing mine in about a min or two will let you know05:42
kapputuhmm firefox menu doesn't work05:42
johnnybezakmoetia: you need to type sudo first05:42
lunitikdesrt: look for devels you trust... pretty much the only thing I ever need thats not in the archive is movie codecs... and Christian Marrilat packages such things in his archive, he is the maintainer of the Ubuntu mplayer packages...05:42
pointzeroi know i loved the keyring manager in kde... i want to use one for gnome though.05:42
kapputuhow the heck am I supposed to change my pref05:42
dizzieYay can watch tv again, thanks to lunitik :)05:43
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lunitikdizzie: \o/05:43
desrtlunitik; i'm trying to get java05:43
sproingiegnome has gnome-keyring iirc05:43
Banditok brb05:44
pointzeroright on05:44
kapputu): CRITICAL **: egg_desktop_entries_add_group: assertion `egg_desktop_entries_lookup_group (entries, group_name) == NULL failed05:44
DarthFrogOff Topic: http://www.bellyup4blues.com/listen.pls is seriously good.05:44
johnnybezakdammit the version of firefox in hoary atm is piece of shit05:44
kapputuany good?05:44
lunitikdesrt: eh... go to java.sun.com ... download it... decompress it... make a symlink for the plugin in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins... and a symlink to the bin in /usr/bin...05:44
lunitikdone05:44
desrti don't understand why this stuff can't just be in multiverse05:45
lunitikdesrt: or you can get java-package... and make a .deb that does that for you... but I seem to be less successful that way.05:45
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mrproperjohnnybezak, Why is firefox a POS?05:46
johnnybezakmrproper: it isn't its sweet, just the version in hoary atm is05:46
mrproperjohnnybezak, Yeah, what's wrong with it?05:46
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johnnybezakmrproper: all of a sudden doesn't work with my netbank, and crashes05:46
lunitikdesrt: blame Sun! They don't allow you to host the files without a license etc... you can get blackdown .deb's though... because they have a license.05:46
mrproperoh05:46
pointzeroanybody have any experience with either GPA or SEAHORSE?  any recommendations?05:46
johnnybezakmrproper: yeah :P05:47
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lunitikdesrt: I suppose blackdown should be in multiverse though... would make sense, but I'm not sure exactly what the rules are pertaining to that.05:47
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desrtlunitik; how do i add GPG keys?05:47
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lunitikdesrt: as far as I know... they are fetched automatically when syncing with a source provided they offer it.05:48
desrtnope :D05:48
lunitikdesrt: 0.6 branch isn't default in regular Debian though... so many repo's don't have it yet.05:48
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lunitikdesrt: hopefully it will get into sarge so more repo's will provide that.05:49
desrt:/05:49
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desrtubuntu is badly in need of something vaguely like USE flags05:49
moetiawhat is the unofficial ubuntu help site?05:49
Burgundaviamoetia: ubuntuguide.org05:49
moetiathanks05:49
fitzI am trying out the hoary preview release, and am trying to get the binary ati drivers to work, but keep getting this error "(EE) fglrx(0): [agp]  unable to acquire AGP, error "xf86_EBUSY"05:50
sproingiewow... how unstable is sun's java on amd64?05:51
lunitikdesrt: umm... debian/rules allows you to customize packages...05:51
sproingiei seem to be getting ... random errors05:51
desrtmm05:51
lunitikdesrt: I'm not sure if you can do anything globally with them though...05:51
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fitzanyone have a radeon running with the ati binary drivers in hoary?05:52
sproingiefitz: me05:52
JDahldesrt, what is "USE flags"?05:52
fitzwhat did you do to get it running?05:52
desrtJDahl; it tells the package manager about things that you like and don't like05:52
desrtfor example, if i want to install mplayer, it requires xmms which requires a whole bunch of other stuff (like all of gtk1, glib1, etc)05:53
sproingiefitz: apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx05:53
azriel0184how do you remove a wireless interface?05:53
desrtin gentoo i'd just add "-xmms" to my USE flags and be done with it05:53
Amaranthanyone got a lexmark p707 working with ubuntu?05:53
sproingiefitz: then edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and replace the line that says Driver "ati" with Driver "fglrx"05:53
desrtthen mplayer wouldn't depend on xmms05:53
fitzyea05:53
fitzI did that05:53
azriel0184or change it to default to a wired interface?05:53
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HrdwrBoBdesrt: except on the whole, it would take you more time and space to download and compile everything05:54
sproingiefitz: and enjoy the crisper 2d, and forget about ever having working 3d.   buy nvidia next time05:54
JDahldesrt, that's kind of hard to achieve with binary packages, isn't it?05:54
fitzwell I just want 2d05:54
fitzI dont care about 3d05:54
desrtJDahl; ya.  that's exactly the problem05:54
fitzactually I just want to run in 1280x102405:54
fitzto tell ya the truth05:54
hazmatugh.. really wierd, why is python-profile in multiverse05:54
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lunitikdesrt: and after about 40 mins, you'd actually be able to view a movie on said movie player...05:55
sproingiefitz: make sure you have 24 bit depth.  the driver can't do anything else05:55
desrtcompile time is nothing05:55
sproingiein fact just delete all the other depths05:55
desrtit happens once, and it's usually at night05:55
fitzyea I do05:55
lunitikdesrt: per version, sure.05:55
azriel0184hey guys, how do i change ubuntu to default to a different interface for networking? (i have 2 NIC's)05:56
sproingiealso forget about subpixel antialiasing and composite.  both nonfunctional with ati's driver05:56
lunitikdesrt: and its usually at night enless you need it for something you're doing now... in which case, waiting is frustrating!05:56
sproingiei should have gotten the nvidia card05:56
sproingiei kinda thought the subpixel font AA was all software, but apparently not05:57
fitzI know ati drivers suck05:57
JDahldesrt, so you're basically just unhappy with binary packages, then? no "USE" flag would resolve that... if you're going to build a lot of debian packages yourself, check out "apt-get build-dep xxx" to automatically install all necessary libraries et cetara for the package you're compiling05:57
sproingiedoes nothing with the fglrx driver on05:57
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fitzyea, my next card is gonna be a nvidia05:57
desrtJDahl; ya.  i found out about build-dep earlier today.  it's a life-saver05:57
fitzbut for now I have to put up with the ati05:57
desrti just wish the process for building your own versions of things was a little bit more automated05:57
sproingiefitz: does X not start?05:57
fitzits starts05:58
fitzbut gives this error message05:58
DarthFrognixman: In /etc/modules.conf05:58
fitzand 3d accell is not working05:58
sproingiefitz: never will work05:58
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fitzI have it working in warty05:58
sproingienot the 3d.  some manage to, but it's pretty elusive05:58
fitznah05:58
fitzI can always get it to work05:58
fitzits really not that tricky05:58
JDahldesrt, I never tried Gentoo, so I cant really compare, but IMO building debian packages from source is quite easy and automated05:58
fitzbut now its giving a weird error05:58
lunitikdesrt: apt-cache show apt-src.05:58
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sproingiei have a amd64, so ati beats me like the redheaded stepchild05:59
lunitikdesrt: get involved?05:59
fitzhaha05:59
fitzyea05:59
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fitzthey just started supporting amd6405:59
sproingieto use the term loosely05:59
desrtlunitik; i'll check it out05:59
fitzlol05:59
fitzI can buy a nice nvidia 6600 for so cheap05:59
nixmanDarthFrog:  there is none in hoary tho .. just going to create it. i taught it was reverted to modprobe.conf or something !06:00
fitzbut I am waiting to buy computer stuff for my new pc that I will build eventually06:00
azriel0184hey guys, how do i change ubuntu to default to a different interface for networking? (i have 2 NIC's)06:00
azriel0184or remove one of them06:00
fitzalright man06:00
fitzthanks for the help06:00
fitzlater06:00
sproingiethe 6600 was what i was waiting for but everyone was out of stock06:00
sproingiei found a radeon 9800 ez for cheap06:00
fitzget the xfx brand06:00
nixmanazriel0184: ifconfig eth1 down06:00
fitzits got dual dvi06:01
sproingieruns like buttah on the windows side06:01
fitzand its like $16006:01
DarthFrognixman: I've not had to do it yet, so I'm not sure either.  I think Debian distros want you to make such changes in the files under /etc/modutils/ and then run update-modules to regenerate the modules.conf file.06:01
azriel0184nixman: what about a wireless interface?06:01
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nixmanazriel0184: ifconfig wlan0 down06:02
lunitikor just 'ifdown wlan0'06:02
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nixmanazriel0184: i just did for my latptop recently ... i fidled with whereami .. once you figure how it works its a really cool tool06:02
azriel0184ohhh cool :) just that ath0 (the wireless link) did show in ifconfig... :)06:03
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romlunitik, what does ifdown wlan0 do06:03
azriel0184thanks guys :)06:03
DarthFrog/etc/networks/interfaces is the file where your network interfaces are defined, eth0 being the standard wired interface. To make the wirless network come up when you start your computer put # in from to 'auto eth0' (to stop it automaticaly starting) and add something like the following lines.06:04
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lunitikrom: exactly the same thing as 'ifconfig wlan0 down' ... but with less typing  :)06:04
DarthFrogauto wlan006:04
DarthFrogiface wlan0 inet dhcp06:04
DarthFrogname Wireless LAN card06:04
DarthFrogwireless_essid   MYNETWOTK06:04
DarthFrogwireless_key     FEFEFEFEFE06:04
DarthFrogwireless_channel 1106:04
DarthFrogwireless_mode    managed06:04
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azriel0184will ifdown affect the next time i boot up?06:04
nixmanDarthFrog: i tried running update-moduls to no avail ! no modules.conf is generated !06:05
lunitikazriel0184: no... you'd have to change /etc/network/interfaces for that...06:05
|QuaD-anyone know if anyone is working on beagle or dashboard packages?06:05
azriel0184how would i change it so that ubuntu will use eth0 instead of ath0?06:05
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azriel0184i put in a wireless card today, but i still havnt got the wireless network up yet, so im still running on wired here06:06
poyayanrun the network settings program azriel06:07
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poyayanyou can set up your interfaces there and select the default device06:08
azriel0184somehow it got removed and i cant find where to get it again...06:08
DarthFrognixman: There is an /etc/modprobe.d directory.  It looks to be where some things are set.06:08
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poyayanyou mean you don't have system->administration->networking ????06:08
azriel0184poyayan, no i dont :(06:09
lunitikazriel0184: warty: Computer > System Settings (?) > Networking ... hoary: (what poyayan just said)06:09
poyayanwow06:09
difektawhat's wrong with this fstab line that users can't access this drive? /dev/hdb1       /mnt/hd2        ntfs     rw,user        0       106:09
azriel0184lunitik, that app seems to have dissappeared...06:09
difektacan someone please just give me an idea?06:09
difektaer..06:09
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Tuxadermistdid you make the hd2 dir in mnt ?06:09
poyayanso azriel can you open a terminal and run network-admin?06:09
lunitikazriel0184: s/disappeared/not there yet/ more than likely...06:09
azriel0184root@matthew-linux:/home/matthew # network-admin06:10
azriel0184bash: network-admin: command not found06:10
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ace2001acdoes ubuntu not assign a root password?06:10
DarthFrogdifekta: What're the permissions on the directory?06:10
goldfishyour login one06:10
lunitikace2001ac: nope... use sudo06:10
azriel0184lunitik, it was when i was using warty06:10
goldfishwell06:10
poyayansudo -s ace06:10
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ace2001accool, i was just wondering06:11
poyayanazriel if you do 'locate network-admin' do you see anything?06:11
NobleArcwhenever I try to install packages with apt from nerim.net/debian-marlliat, it complains about GPG keys. o_O?06:11
difektai thought directory permissions didn't matter.06:11
difektaover-written by the mount.06:11
ace2001acdoes only the first account created get sudo privs or all the user accounts?06:11
azriel0184difekta, only after the mount06:11
raghuace2001ac: by default no...but you can enable the root06:11
lunitikazriel0184: upgrade. or go grab hoary's gnome-system-tools .... (remembering that the package has been split...)06:12
poyayanonly the first06:12
raghuace2001ac: only first account is rooot06:12
poyayanbut you can change that in the Users and Groups setting tool06:12
lunitik(so you need system-tools-backends also)06:12
crimsunNobleArc: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary06:12
difektano that didn't fix anything.06:12
ace2001acraghu, thanks06:12
NobleArcThanks.06:12
raghuace2001ac: cool06:12
NobleArcThis is the third time I've asked, and the only time I've gotten an answer, lol.06:12
difektai still can only access the directory as root.06:12
NobleArc..now firefox is complaining about ubuntulinux.org's certificate.. -_-06:13
poyayanace you can set other users to have sudo -s permissions as well06:13
ace2001acraghu, wasn't sure because debian doesn't do it that way06:13
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AmaranthNobleArc: It's self-signed, accept it.06:13
raghuace2001ac: ya i know...it is ok06:13
poyayaninfact you can take away sudo -s permissions from accounts too .... never tried to do that to my main account but I don't really want to find out if it can be done06:13
lunitikcrimsun: afaik marillat doesn't yet offer GPG keys for his repo's?06:13
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NobleArclol, I did.06:13
poyayanseriously Noble?06:14
poyayanwhat happened?06:14
lunitikNobleArc: why can't you just hit "Yes"?06:14
wgandhidoes anyone know howto create /dev/dri/crd*06:14
kapputuwhat was that gtk module clearlook or something06:14
wgandhii mean card06:14
NobleArc... I was just complaining. :P06:14
ace2001achas anyone gotten sound to work on amd64 on a MSI K8T Neo?06:14
sproingiepoyayan: all you have to do is leave the user out of the sudoers file06:14
NobleArcbrb.06:14
sproingiepoyayan: by default no one can sudo06:14
lunitikkapputu: gtk2-engine-clearlooks06:14
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sproingiei usually create a wheel group and let the whole group sudo06:14
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poyayanwell the first created user can06:15
poyayanbut no other users06:15
sproingiepoyayan: wasn't my experience with hoary06:15
kapputuhmm can't find it06:15
Amaranthsproingie: That's how OS X does it.06:15
lunitikkapputu: uhh... gtk2-engines-clearlooks even.06:15
kapputualready newest version06:15
sproingieAmaranth: yah well that makes sense.  seems debian just expects you to edit sudoers as root06:15
Amaranthgtk2-engines-clearlooks in in hoary06:15
poyayanthen how did you sudo -s sproingie?06:15
lunitikBut no ClearlooksHuman  >:|06:15
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Amaranthheh06:15
kapputuI find the same themes06:16
Amaranthgive me a couple seconds06:16
sproingiepoyayan: i just logged in as root06:16
poyayanso you activated the root account then?06:16
kapputuxorg has synaptics driver?06:16
orospakrkapputu, yes.06:16
kapputuI'm changing to xorg06:16
lunitikpoyayan: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo tells you how...06:16
kapputuanything I should do before that06:16
moetiaok I am trying to install the macromedia flashplayer for ubuntu.... I have the program downloaded it is in the form of .gz06:17
crimsunlunitik: Christian has for debian-marilliat for some time.06:17
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poyayanyeah I know how I just don't do it06:17
moetiawhat is the command to tar ????06:17
crimsunlunitik: http://debian.video.free.fr/  has more info.06:17
orospakrwhy would a Yukon Gigabit ethernet adapter on amd64 with kernel 2.6.10 give piss-poor performance (roughtly 800 ko/s on a 100mbit link)?06:17
poyayanI like using sudo -s06:17
Amaranthlunitik: You'll have to just download and install it.06:17
kapputuanything I need to do before changing to xorg?06:17
lunitikmoetia: tar.gz or .bz2?06:17
wgandhii cannot enable render with Xorg.. My error file says /dev/dri/card* does not exist..06:17
moetiagz06:17
moetiatar.gz06:17
lunitikcrimsun: ahh... thanks06:17
kapputuhullo06:17
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sss_lrsuc06:18
moetialunitik, the file is flashplayer.tar.gz06:19
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lunitikmoetia: tar -xzf fla[tab] 06:19
wgandhiirc://irc.debian.org/XFree8606:19
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helloyois the preview a big stepup from the arrays?06:20
Amaranthwtf was that?06:20
kapputugreat evolution crashes now06:20
lunitikAmaranth: was what?06:20
raghumoetia: tar -zxvf  flashplayer.tar.gz06:20
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Amaranthwghandi linked to #XFree86 then left06:21
lunitikraghu: eh... he needn't use verbos... just farts out a bunch of crap he won't understand anyways  :/06:21
moetiaraghu... that did not work...06:21
helloyowhats with the major releases being 4.10 and 5.04 instead of 4.0 and 5.0?06:22
crimsunhelloyo: year.month06:22
raghumoetia: it should work otherwise you are tar file is damaged..06:22
helloyocrimsun, oh thanks!06:22
helloyohelloyo, thought they were just being difficult06:23
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crimsunthere is a method to the madness.06:23
Mad-boyHello06:23
Mad-boyeverybody06:23
crimsunhello.06:23
Mad-boyCan anybody tell me how to change my display refresh rate?06:24
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crimsunMad-boy: warty or hoary?06:24
lunitikMad-boy: you might be able to do it simply by fireing up System > Preferences > Screen Resolution...06:25
moetiaok .. i got the file to extract, but now i cannot install the flash-installer... ERROR: Your architecture, \'x86_64\', is not supported by the06:25
moetia       Macromedia Flash Player installer.06:25
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Mad-boyi go there but it only gives me one option of 75hz06:25
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Mad-boybut i need moer06:25
Mad-boybut i need more06:25
lunitikMad-boy: else... you might need to edit VSync and HSync in /etc/X11/[xorg.conf,XF86Config-4] 06:26
moetiai cannot install this on a 64 bit proccessor?06:26
lunitikgrrr06:26
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lunitikMad-boy: else... you might need to edit VSync and HSync in /etc/X11/[xorg.conf,XF86Config-4] 06:26
Mad-boygmmm......06:26
kapbuntumoetia: it looked to me like there was an amd-64 ver06:26
sproingiemoetia: you're out of luck06:26
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kapbuntubut I'm new to kubuntu06:26
sproingiethere's a free flash player for amd64, but it's not that good06:27
kapbuntuI know the Debian port isn't fully release quality yet06:27
lunitikmoetia: bitch at Macromedia  ;)06:27
kapbuntukde 3.4 is pretty sweet06:27
sproingieit's a library, so 32 bit compat doesnt do any good06:27
Mad-boyand another question why ubuntu cant play mp3`s?06:27
NobleArcah, everything is working beautifully.  Thanks guys.06:27
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lunitikkapbuntu: uhh... the Kubuntu packages = Debian Qt/KDE Maintainers efforts with very little else.06:27
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sproingieyou'd have to install a whole 32 bit chroot for the browser and all its libs to run the flash plugin06:28
sproingieprobably not worth it06:28
crimsunMad-boy: /wiki/RestrictedFormats06:28
kapputuxorg is definitely faster06:28
crimsunMad-boy: essentially, enable Universe and add 'gstreamer0.8-mad'06:28
Mad-boyi dont know how to do that06:29
Mad-boy=] 06:29
Mad-boyi am new on linux06:29
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helloyoMad-boy, www.ubuntuguide.org06:29
desrtso i install the java packages... yet the browser does not see them06:29
crimsunMad-boy: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats06:30
lunitikMad-boy: what crimsun said... wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats06:30
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lunitikcrimsun: >:|   heh... you shoulda wrote that first time  ;)06:30
stuNNedcrimsun: how's it going mate?06:30
wgandhiUbuntu Help06:31
crimsunstuNNed: n'bad, yourself?06:31
lunitikdesrt: you symlink the libsomeshitwithtoomanyletters to /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins?06:31
wgandhihas anyone created /dev/dri/card* on their system?06:31
desrtlunitik; no.  i expect it to happen automatically06:32
crimsunwgandhi: what video card do you have?06:32
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stuNNedcrimsun: not bad, just watched a smoothwall install die on a 1000mb nic card and might be getting some work installing a linux server later on06:32
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wgandhii have a i916GM board06:32
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pestilencecould somebody tell me how to forward a port on 127.0.0.1 to some other address?06:32
stuNNedcrimsun: and *really* impressed with how ubuntu is coming along, minus the crap of a power management my laptop has06:32
wgandhii mean i915GM board.. (intel internal graphics)06:32
lunitikdesrt: ln -s /usr/java/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins06:32
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lunitikheh... appears they changed the name of that lib for 1.5.x though...06:33
wgandhii have everything working.. got latest Xorg snapshot for the drivers..06:33
FR500hello06:33
crimsunwgandhi: lsmod|grep ^i81006:33
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ace2001acdo you have to use a chroot for statically compiled 32-bit binaries on a 64-bit kernel?06:33
lunitikace2001ac: yes06:33
kapputugdesklets don't work06:34
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ace2001aclunitik, is there a faq for doing that on ubuntu?06:34
kapbuntuis ubuntu's xorg built with composite extensions?06:34
wgandhicrimsun: actually I have loaded the i915 DRM module..06:34
crimsunkapbuntu: yep. You just need to manually add the extensions section to /etc/X11/xorg.conf, restart gdm, and load xcompmgr06:34
wgandhilsmod | grep 915 yields :i915                   21504  006:35
wgandhidrm                    69396  1 i91506:35
kapbuntucrimsun: can I do that with the live cd?06:35
kapbuntucrimsun: when I kill x it reboots06:35
crimsunkapbuntu: I don't think /etc is read-write on the livecd, but I haven't used the hoary preview livecd yet06:35
lunitikcalc: you around?06:35
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kapbuntucrimsun: yeah, im using kubuntu also, so things are prob even more screwy06:36
calclunitik: yes06:36
calclunitik: whats up?06:36
lunitikcalc: care to help ace2001ac with 32bit chroot on 64bit sys?06:36
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crimsunwgandhi: ok, and any warnings/errors in /var/log/Xorg.0.log?06:37
ace2001aclunitik, np06:37
calclunitik: hmm i didn't setup a chroot myself i just unpacked the few libraries i needed into /usr/local/lib3206:37
ace2001aclunitik, just got the box setup yesterday and decided to put ubuntu on it :)06:37
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calcace2001ac: you can create a chroot using debootstrap06:38
lunitikcalc: hmm... know any docs that might be useful... he just wants flash I think...06:38
kapbuntucrimsun: render won't work with the nv driver anyhow, right?06:38
calclunitik: not that i know of06:39
crimsunkapbuntu: sure it will06:39
kapbuntucrimsun: I mean composite06:39
ace2001aclunitik, i wouldn't mind flash but I'm trying to run mprime (Mersenne.org)06:39
wgandhicrimsun: not really anything serious.. some font paths not found..06:39
calcthe lack of flash is good enough reason to get rid of 32bit compatibility ;)06:39
crimsunkapbuntu: it will, but it's very, very, very sluggish06:39
kapputui'm having problems with wine06:39
kapputuunable to grep msdos.sys06:39
kapbuntucrimsun: I just want to check it out, my test machine here is slow anyhow06:39
kapbuntudamn kapputu, I thought I said that for a second :)06:40
crimsunace2001ac: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebootstrapChroot06:40
ace2001acand btw to all the ubuntu developers out there, it rocks :)06:40
lunitikcalc: haha  :)06:40
ace2001accrimsun, thanks06:41
calcace2001ac: the static linked mprime should run without a chroot06:41
lunitikcrimsun: *cough* wiki.ubuntu.com/Page is less typing *cough*  ;P06:41
crimsunwgandhi: but no messages regarding drm/dri?06:41
crimsunlunitik: I highlight and secondary-click ;-)06:41
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lunitikcrimsun: haha... saves even more time  8)06:42
wgandhiwell no error messages till we get to (EE) I810(0): [dri]  DRIScreenInit failed. Disabling DRI.06:42
wgandhibefore that all I had was /dev/dri/card* does not exist..06:42
crimsunwgandhi: that's a start to debugging. Is it a version mismatch?06:42
da_bon_bonhi all06:42
calchmm odd the static linked mprime still segfaults06:42
ace2001accalc, hmm... it segfaults06:43
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ace2001accalc, yeah06:43
wgandhihow do i check for a version mismatch?06:43
calcace2001ac: i doubt that it would work in a chroot either then06:43
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calcnot sure wtf it would segfault for the static version06:43
wgandhimy kernel is 2.6.11.2 and I am using 0225 snapshot for the dri/drm drives..06:43
crimsunwgandhi: e.g., the version of the drm used needs to be built specifically for your kernel _and_ it needs to match what the X server requires.06:44
kapputuunable to grep msdos.sys error with winesetup06:44
da_bon_bonhey all, how do increase the space on my / partition ? resizing the partition ?06:44
wgandhii compiled my kernel last nite.. used the drm module from the kernel..06:44
ace2001accalc, guess i can use the regular one in a chroot then :)06:45
lunitikkapputu: what are you trying to run?06:45
mhandlI just instaled new HOARY and sound card doesnt work. Is here anybody with the same problem ?06:45
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kapputunothing06:45
kapputuI was just trying to configure wine06:45
calcace2001ac: maybe however the regular one had all its needed libraries installed as well and it segfaulted too06:45
crimsunwgandhi: and is the i915 module also from your 2.6.11.2 tree?06:45
calcace2001ac: i think the program is just buggy06:45
crimsunmhandl: what sound card do you have?06:45
ace2001accalc, ah, thanks for the quick check06:46
kapputuhow do I run something?06:46
ace2001accalc, i guess i can try compiling it :)06:46
lunitikkapputu: wine some.exe06:46
wgandhiyup.. from the 2.6.11.2 tree.. however how do I make the Xserver match?06:46
romhow do i delete a repository with cvs?06:46
kappututried IE06:47
kapputudin't work06:47
mhandlcrimsun: on board via82XX, however I have additional Audigy in other PCI slot, and can not  get any response from via06:47
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calcace2001ac: a 64bit version may end up running a lot faster anyway06:47
crimsunmhandl: which do you prefer being your primary card?06:47
ratl3hi06:47
ace2001accalc, well, not sure if the code runs well for 64-bit or if it compiles, but i'll have to give it a try06:48
wgandhicrimsun: thanx for ur input I will try and compile the drm module from the Xorg snapshot I have been using...06:48
lunitikmhandl: I am using snd-via82xx ... seems to work here... only after restart though... probably could just restart alsa though...06:48
ratl3i'd like to congrat you guys on a great distribution06:48
moetiai need help getting java plugin to work with firefox06:48
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moetiai have followed the instructions but the plugin is not working06:48
ratl3ya, java needs some work06:49
mhandlcrimsun: via is preferable06:49
Bicchiwhat makes ubuntu different from mandrake, fedora or perhaps other distros.06:49
calcerm the source isn't source06:49
ratl3you need to create a symlink moetia06:49
ace2001acBicchi, it's Debian based and Debian rocks :)06:49
calcits not open source, it just acts like it is06:49
calcits just a bunch of compiled object files that you link together06:50
moetiai have made a sym link in the root06:50
moetiawhere do i need to put it?06:50
lunitikmoetia: download the .bin... chmod +x it ... ./the.bin ... ln -s path/to/libjava/plugin /usr/lib/mozlla-firefox/plugins/06:50
kapputuhow do I set the resolution in wine06:50
moetiaok06:50
lunitikmoetia: here its: ln -s /usr/java/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins06:50
Bicchiwhy is ubuntu only one cd while other linux distro contain 3 and more cds of stuff.06:50
lunitikBicchi: CD's only contain main and restricted... whereas most distro's include EVERYTHING you will NEVER use...06:51
kapputucool I got firefox working06:51
moetialunitik... is that path going to work on an amd 64?06:51
poyayanhey has anyone tried using the java-gcj-compat package?06:51
poyayanseems like it uses gcc406:51
lunitikmoetia: gah... I don't think there is a 64bit java.06:51
kapputubut still I can't connect to the school webmail06:51
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moetiamy os is 64 bit06:51
Bicchilunitik: so what is included in the cd then.06:51
kapbuntucrimsun: hey to let you know, the composite stuff works on the livecd (at least kubuntu)06:52
lunitikBicchi: main and restricted?06:52
kapbuntushadows too06:52
kapbuntuI just added Composite and RENDER06:52
Bicchilunitik: but does the cd come with packages like word processing and other good stuff?06:52
lunitikBicchi: heh... basically ubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-base ... although thats not very enlightening either...06:52
kapbuntuit is ass slow though06:52
lunitikBicchi: OpenOffice.org06:53
da_bon_bonhow do i add space to my / partition ? resize it ?06:53
lunitikda_bon_bon: man parted06:53
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da_bon_bonlunitik: is qtparted ok ?06:53
lunitikda_bon_bon: its a crapy frontend for parted...06:53
Bicchilunitik: so openoffice comes with it or must be downloaded separate from the installation cd06:53
lunitikBicchi: come with...06:53
ratl3did you get it from their site or a apt source?06:54
ratl3an06:54
ratl3well, mandrake aren't open source either in your definition06:54
ratl3or fedora06:54
ratl3calc06:54
ratl3i mean, i use gentoo06:54
ratl3but my grandma sure couldn't06:54
Bicchilunitik: so where do i find if i need additional packages.06:54
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lunitikratl3: umm... yes they are... you can download src.rpm's for both.06:54
crimsunkapbuntu: excellent06:54
calchuh?06:54
lunitikBicchi: you look via apt...06:54
Bicchilunitik: so apt is like a browser for software?06:55
lunitikBicchi: apt is god06:55
calcapt doesn't browse06:55
lunitikBicchi: it like... gets stuff06:55
bryansudo apt-get update06:55
da_bon_bonBicchi: aptitude is what u want. or better still, synaptic06:55
bryansudo apt-cache search whatever06:55
ratl3can't you download the deb sources for ubuntu too06:55
lunitikratl3: sure06:55
ratl3i was talking about how calc said ubuntu wasn't open source because it doesn't come with the source06:56
lunitikratl3: the 'deb-src' packages provide them...06:56
ratl3ya, exactly06:56
calcratl3: you weren't following the conversation i was having06:56
ratl3oh06:56
calci said that mprime isn't open source06:56
calci was talking to ace2001ac06:56
ratl3well, i was wrong then06:56
ratl3sorry about that06:56
calcin their "source" tarball they only include the object files06:56
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Bicchilunitik, da_bon_bon: so lets just say i want to download apache. can i use apt for that and does it downloads the latest source?06:57
calcnp06:57
kappututrying to configure evolution, what would be the OWA url?06:57
lunitikBicchi: umm... yes06:57
lunitikBicchi: on all accounts.06:57
da_bon_bonBicchi: man apt, sudo synaptic06:57
ratl3is mprime a distributed prime client?06:57
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calcratl3: its the GIMPS one06:57
lunitikda_bon_bon: I don't think he has Ubuntu installed... else he wouldn't be asking such questions imo06:57
ratl3hmm06:57
da_bon_bonlunitik: i agree06:58
calcit claims to be in asm but then it should still include the asm source, not .o files ;)06:58
lunitikda_bon_bon: so man apt synaptic won't do much good  ;)06:58
da_bon_bon:)06:58
Bicchilinitik, da_bon_bon: i do not have ubuntu installed yet06:58
lunitikBicchi: we figured that.06:58
=== calc bbl
da_bon_bonBicchi: then what do i want ? are u installing it ?06:59
ratl3are you using linux Bicchi?06:59
lunitikBicchi: you should install it... you're asking rather silly questions.06:59
ratl3currently?06:59
lunitikratl3: he just said no.06:59
ratl3he said no to ubuntu06:59
Bicchimy questions are related se what ubuntu is about and mayor diff. from other distros.06:59
Bicchiyes, mandrake07:00
ratl3ahh07:00
ratl3isn't mandrake kde based?07:00
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Bicchikde is the default07:00
ratl3been a while07:00
lunitikBicchi: compared to Mandrake... for one, better mirrors... you can use Synaptic for any package needs... Ubuntu is GNOME...07:00
ratl3latest gnome packages too07:01
calcand there is also kubuntu for kde desktop07:01
Bicchii kind of like kde better but i am sure it can be installed instead of gnome07:01
lunitikBicchi: Mandrakes Control Panel won't be around either of course... but GNOME offers some simular tools... probably all that you'll need.07:01
lunitikBicchi: you probably want Kubuntu though instead07:01
ratl3what version of gnome does mandrake have?07:02
lunitikratl3: 2.8.1 afaik07:02
lunitikratl3: distrowatch.com ...07:02
ratl3oh, that's not that bad07:02
ratl3cool, thanks07:02
calchoary out in ~ 3 weeks will have gnome 2.1007:02
lunitikratl3: eh... 2.10.0 was released  :/07:02
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ratl3ya, running it07:03
zenroxgnome 2.10 rocks07:03
da_bon_bonsome guy once told me a boot cd called harish or hashim boot cd that has PM8 on it. anyone know ?07:03
lunitikcalc: chicken... install hoary!  :D07:03
ratl3ya, hoary is nice07:03
calclunitik: i've been running hoary since it was branched07:03
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lunitikcalc: no issues right now... everything is stable upstream :)07:03
zenroxratl3,  ya hoary if actualy really stabel07:03
lunitikcalc: same here  :)07:03
ratl3i had to manually configure xorg with my mobile ati card07:03
romcan anyone here help me with gcvs?07:03
ratl3shrug07:03
ratl3the only problem i had07:04
kapputuhoary is great07:04
lunitikrom: I think most people here use bazaar ... a svn frontend/clone/doohikey07:04
kapputubut the 2.6.10 is giving me trouble07:04
kapputucan't use the acx100 driver for my wireless card07:05
lunitikkapputu: I don't advise 2.6.11 then...07:05
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ratl3oh, it was much better than that 2.8 crap07:05
kapputuI wnet back to 2.6.807:05
da_bon_bonsome guy once told me a boot cd called harish or hashim boot cd that has PM8 on it. anyone know ?07:05
ratl3i would unplug the power from my laptop and it would lock up the computer07:05
ratl3well, i could still ssh into it07:05
lunitikratl3: then it wasn't locked up... maybe X was?  :/07:06
da_bon_bongot it! hirens boot cd! YAY!07:06
ratl3no, it was the mouse and the keyboard07:06
difektacan anyone give me a sample fstab line to mount /dev/hdb1 and allow users to access it?07:06
difektamy current one is only accessible by root.07:06
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lunitikdifekta: /dev/hdb1 /some/where/here fs_type defaults 0 0 should work..07:07
kapputuok guess I'll go to sleep07:07
ratl3ya07:07
kapputuhad great fun with ubuntu today07:07
lunitikdifekta: won't be ro etc  :/07:07
difektahmm..07:07
difektai have essentially that now.07:07
kapputuc ya all07:07
difektait's ntfs if that means anything.07:07
ratl3oh!07:07
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ratl3um...07:07
BiteMeBilldifekta: http://ubuntuguide.org/#windows07:08
lunitikdifekta: gah... then it needs to be read only  :/07:08
ratl3have you heard of mount everything?07:08
ratl3you can use a ext3 partition in windows07:08
ratl3reiser too i think07:08
difektawindows?07:08
lunitikratl3: but thats not what he is trying to do...07:08
difektai don't use windows.07:08
lunitikratl3: he is attempting the other way around.07:08
ratl3why do you have an ntfs partition then?07:09
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lunitikdifekta: see what BiteMeBill said.07:09
mhandllunitik: thx for help with SND, I just modified modules, restarted ALSA, works like magic now.07:09
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lunitikmhandl: cool... it wasn't loading snd-via82xx?07:09
lunitikmhandl: not sure why you'd need to modify modules? glad its working for you now though  :)07:10
DarthFrogAnyone know how to force Synaptic to install a package?  I want to install QTParted.  Synaptic complains that it needs libqtparted1.6-0 (>=1.6.0) but is not installable.  However, libparted1.6-12 is already installed!07:10
mhandllunitik: no, not by default , dunno why, previews version did it without that.07:10
BROKEN_LADDERoh, the umask. duh07:11
zenroxlol07:11
ratl3what it not readable to users?07:11
ratl3oh07:11
crimsunDarthFrog: libqtparted1.6-0 vs. libparted1.6-12?07:12
ratl3man, the dvorak mistyping whole words has leaked into my qwerty use07:12
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=== lunitik wonders why people put '-o umask=0222' when you can do '-o ro' and have same result?
DarthFrogcrimsun: No. libparted, not libqtparted.07:12
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crimsunDarthFrog: What does libparted1.6-12 already being installed have to do with libqtparted1.6-0?07:13
DarthFrogcrimsun: Ah.  The actual installed version is libparted1.6.20-0.exp.2ubuntu207:13
ratl3heh, you can write to it07:13
crimsunDarthFrog: there ya go07:13
ratl3just don't change the file size of the file you are writing to07:13
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DarthFrogcrimsun: there is no libqtparted.  It has nothing to do with this.07:14
lunitikratl3: ntfs driver doesn't support it without external kernel patches07:14
crimsunDarthFrog: that's precisely what I'm saying07:14
DarthFrogcrimsun: Ah, I see.  My mistake earlier.07:14
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DarthFrogcrimsun: s/libparted/libqtparted/g :-)07:14
crimsun:-)07:14
ratl3really, i thought experimental write support was in the vanilla kernel07:14
ratl3i havn't patched my kernel that much07:15
ace2001acis the chroot package in main/restricted or one of the others?07:15
lunitikratl3: look at /boot/config-`uname -r` ... I don't think its enabled..07:15
DarthFrogcrimsun: Anyway, do you know how to force Synaptic to install a package with unmet dependencies?07:15
crimsunDarthFrog: I don't know how to force Synaptic to, no; I use aptitude for those things.07:16
lunitikratl3: # CONFIG_NTFS_RW is not set <-- what mine says...07:16
crimsunDarthFrog: are you absolutely certain you wish to force installation of a version? Often that leads to weeping and gnashing of teeth.07:16
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ratl3writing support is in my kernel07:17
DarthFrogcrimsun: Actually, I'm thinking again about it.  Normally, I'd be willing to live with the consequence.  But if a partition editor screws up, the consequences are a tad more serious. :-)07:17
eclipsewhich one is better to use: XFS or ReiserFS?07:17
ratl32.10 vanilla07:17
DarthFrogeclipse: Man, that's a loaded question.  What are you going to use the partition for?07:17
crimsuneclipse: your call. My vote would be for the former, but I tend to stack my filesystem with multimedia files.07:18
eclipsewell, everyday use i would say07:18
lunitikratl3: /exec -o cat /boot/config-`uname -r` | grep NTFS  <-- type into channel07:18
ratl3i'm on ubuntu07:18
ratl3i don't know about the ubunto kernel07:18
DarthFrogeclipse: Then reisrefs.  XFS is great for monster file systems, and for streaming multimedia.07:18
ratl3ubuntu07:18
Myrttierhm. I installed KDE yesterday and I noticed I couldn't get my music in a windows machine via samba to play07:18
lunitikratl3: I just pasted what the default kernel says.07:18
MyrttiIt does play on the same software on Gnome, though07:19
ratl3i just did a make menuconfig in my kernel dir07:19
eclipsei like to listen to mp3's and what videos07:19
ratl3heh07:19
eclipseso which one is better?07:19
DarthFrogeclipse: For your use, reiser.07:19
eclipseDarthFrog: thnx07:19
lunitikDarthFrog: I thought reiser was better with small files?07:20
DarthFrogeclipse: if you were editing movies (i.e. at a movie studio, not home flicks) XFS.07:20
ratl3what would be better for a myth tv machine07:20
DarthFroglunitik: it is.07:20
ratl3i've been leaning xfs07:20
lunitikDarthFrog: I guess my definition of 'small file' is warped then  ;)07:20
eclipsewell, can i still use XFS?07:20
DarthFrogratl3: I have a myth machine, running reiser.  I wish I had put XFS on it.  XFS is faster at deleting large files.07:20
lunitikeclipse: its not supported by grub, so /boot can't use XFS.07:20
MyrttiI think I'll uninstall KDE07:20
ratl3hmm07:21
ratl3ok07:21
ratl3ya, that's what i was going to put on it07:21
ratl3just seeing what everyone else though07:21
ratl3t07:21
desrtso... is 'universe' debian-packaged stuff?07:21
eclipselunitik: but i don't use /boot partition07:21
lunitikeclipse: if I was you... I would use XFS on /home, and ext3 of /07:22
DarthFroglunitik: no, your definition is fine.   reiser can pack "tails" of files into a single extent.  This is an efficient use of file space.07:22
crimsundesrt: generally, but modified for Ubuntu where necessary.07:22
romi am creating a shell script that mounts all the smb shares on my network, how can i make it so i dont need 'sudo' in front of all the lines?07:22
eclipsewell i've been using reiser for a while now so i'm gonna test xfs and see what happens07:22
ratl3is reiser4 ok yet?07:23
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DarthFrogcrimsun: Heh, I found gparted in Synaptic.  Don't need qtparted afterall. :-)07:23
lunitikcrimsun: can 'smbfs' things go into fstab?07:23
crimsunlunitik: sure. Whether you'd want to is another story.07:24
ratl3hmm, is there a live cd with gparted on it?07:24
lunitikcrimsun: haha... ok  :P07:24
lunitikratl3: as far as I know, its not currently used by Ubuntu.07:24
lunitikratl3: still 3 afaik07:25
ratl3nah, reiser 4 would be crazy in ubuntu right now07:25
ratl3i guess i just wanna play with it on my gentoo machine07:25
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Myrttilunitik: easy, try it07:26
lunitikWhy do so many people come in here stating Gentoo  :'(07:26
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ratl3i'm sorry07:27
lunitikMyrtti: *hugs XChat* ... she'd hate me  :(07:27
lunitik:P07:27
cafuegorom: make users run 'sudo script' or really, just mount the shares at bootup.07:27
Myrttilunitik: http://irssi.org/themes/roses.png07:27
Myrtti<307:28
Seqlunitik: if it makes you feel any better, im a gentoo convert07:28
stuNNedcrimsun: what should i use as cd burning app if i want to get rid of k3b?07:28
zenroxstuNNed, graveman07:28
crimsunstuNNed: graveman?07:28
ratl3graveman?07:28
ratl3i haven't heard of that07:29
Seqgraveman07:29
lunitikSeq: I switched my instructor to Ubuntu (at least briefly...)07:29
stuNNedman of the grave then it is !07:29
romcafuego, i dont think sudo script works plus this is a comp and only want to mount the shares if they are actually connected to this comp and can be mounted07:29
zenroxlol07:29
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lunitikSeq: ... from Gentoo... and another from Fedora... still to convert one from RH7.3 though (GRR  >:| )07:29
Seqlunitik: all of my *nix using classmates are really impressed with hoary, but they arn't using it yet themselves07:29
ratl3i'm on ubuntu07:30
stuNNedlunitik: hehehe07:30
romlol gw ratl307:30
ratl3i like it better on my laptop07:30
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MyrttiI love my irssi, even more now that I added a bitlbee server connection on it07:30
romanother q, why isnt setenv working?07:31
lunitikratl3: *g* but Gentoo contains the same source code... you can't get it working right on your laptop? I guess compiling yourself isn't always the answer?07:31
ratl3does graveman support flac?07:31
zenroxratl3,  find out07:31
lunitikratl3: it supports audio files... it doesn't care what type they are  :/07:31
lunitikratl3: cdrecord --audio  :/07:31
ratl3a 700mhz computer07:31
ratl3i was wondering if it transcoded to wavs or raw files07:32
lunitikratl3: eh... means nothing... how much RAM is the question...07:32
ratl3for compiling it does07:32
ratl3just a pain in the ass07:32
lunitikratl3: eh... still talking about Gentoo in #ubuntu?07:32
ratl3hah07:33
ratl3sorry07:33
ratl3i'll stop talking about gentoo07:33
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zenroxratl3,  if you like why not convert07:33
zenroxerr like this channel07:33
ratl3on my desktop?07:33
zenroxyes07:33
Seqratl3: REPENT!07:33
ratl3nah, i'd rather not07:33
=== lunitik thinks people become so adament about Gentoo during compile time... trying to convince themselves its a good idea takes dedication...
zenroxlunitik,  thats why i dint like it 7 days to get it whrare i wanted it07:34
Seqi should admit though, i do actually have gentoo on my desktop07:34
bryanonce i was at my friends house who uses gentoo, he'd never heard about firefox before, so he went to compile it, took like 3 hours07:34
zenroxand i had a fast cpu07:34
bryani left laughing07:34
DarthFroglunitik: I have Gentoo on a testbed machine.  I don't seem to do anything with it other than compiling updates. :-)07:34
factotumeh, if i where to consider gentoo, id just go bsd for the fun of it07:34
lunitikDarthFrog: so its one of your more productive boxes?  :)07:35
_4strOyop yop07:35
stuNNedgentoo makes good for small package set imho07:35
zenroxi have a copy of solaris 10 x8607:35
DarthFroglunitik: Considering that it's just for testing, it's productive enough. :-)07:35
lunitikfactotum: pkg_add can use binary files.07:35
zenroxant bine willing to install it yet07:35
factotumi know07:36
lunitikzenrox: I had a copy... didn't much like it.07:36
zenroxfirst off the install was slow07:36
ratl3ya, the build pkg thing is nice07:36
zenroxthen wanted to use its partion manger insted of linuxs07:36
ratl3gentoo is like linux from scratch but with a package manager07:36
lunitikzenrox: installation took like 3 hours (you HAVE to install all 4 discs) ... then I had to fiddle with 3rd party NIC drivers... pain in the butt... it supports like 10 NICs on x86  :/07:37
bryananyone tried OO Defrag for linux yet?07:37
factotumim just saying if i where to go distro-hopping again, i might as well go back to fbsd07:37
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lunitikfactotum: I seem to use the Linux compatibility stuff a lot on fbsd... heh07:38
DarthFrogGentoo is a lovely distro for folks who like that sort of thing. :-)07:38
ratl3or.. OSX?07:38
ratl3hah07:38
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zenroxi ant really ready to try unix07:38
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huwrWhen Hoary comes out I can just apt-get it, right?07:38
bryancool, if you put your mouse over the virtual desktop thing on the bottom panel and scroll your mouse wheel it changes desktops :D07:38
zenroxhuwr, yes07:38
ratl3you can do that now huwr07:38
factotumwell yea, an os needs apps07:38
DarthFroghuwr: apt-get dist-upgrade07:38
lunitikhuwr: umm... yes07:38
ratl3it's working great for me07:38
zenroxya the preview is out07:39
huwrexcellent.07:39
huwrCheers.07:39
Seqratl3: yeah, but it's not quite stabalized07:39
huwrWell, I used to do that with Debian, I was wondering if it worked with this as well. I thought it would.07:39
huwrAnyway.07:39
huwrThanks, guys.07:39
DarthFroghuwr: Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list file first.  Change warty to hoary.07:39
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ratl3it's ok07:39
stuNNedcrimsun: can graveman do iso's or just rely on nautilus for that?07:39
icemanThey there, can anyone help plz07:39
factotumgnu is a seperate entitiy, linux, bsd, herd, whatever are just different OS's to run its software07:39
zenroxstuNNed,  ya it should07:39
lunitikzenrox: with Debian based distro's, new versions are irrelivant... its why so many don't care about Sarge...07:39
DarthFrogfactotum: Wrongo, reindeer lover.07:39
huwrDarthFrog, shouldn't I just wait for Hoary to come out and just run apt-get dist-upgrade?07:40
lunitikzenrox: the DD's are very good about not b0rking things during upgrades mostly07:40
DarthFroghuwr: Your call.  Hoary is in the release candidate stage.07:40
factotumDarthFrog, alright LOL, i must be interpriting what I read incorrectly heh07:40
lunitikhuwr: why not do it now? stable enough  :/07:40
ratl3hmm, it doesn't say anything about flacs on the graveman site07:40
DarthFrogfactotum: Hurd is a kernel, not an OS.07:40
Seqlunitik: its still got tonnes of update every time i check (every two or so days)07:41
factotumnot suprised, havent read much on hurd07:41
lunitikratl3: graveman is just a pretty gui for cdrecord... doesn't care so long as libflac is installed.07:41
huwrlunitik, because i'm a freak and these are pretty mission machines that I don't want to root. ;)07:41
huwranyway, bye.07:41
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zenroxlunitik,  ya but i was impressed with its abilty to run a 1 location updated kernel for a net work boot and i was going to put ubuntu it like that and see if i can get it to net boot07:41
ratl3really it has support for libflac?07:41
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zenroxlunitik,  off of a solaris 10 sys07:42
zenroxi want a sun machine07:42
lunitikratl3: its clueless about format, it could care less.07:42
zenroxreally bad07:42
ratl3some of the other gnome burning apps crashed on flacs07:42
MyNameIsChrisAnyone here using the audio on an ich5 southbridge?07:42
ratl3coaster07:42
DarthFrogfactotum: The Free Software Foundation considers GNU to be the OS itself.  They are developing the Hurd kernel for GNU.  They consider Linux to just be a kernel for the GNU system.07:42
factotumreindeer lover?07:42
DarthFrogfactotum: You had to be there. :-)07:42
factotumah07:42
lunitikzenrox: nothing really impressed me about Solaris 10... I mean, its not slow like people have said, but hardware support is a joke...07:43
zenroxlunitik,  ya i agree07:43
icemanTi had debian installed on my system including windoze, and lilo installed in the mbr.....i wiped out debian and installed ubuntu, the problem is that ubuntu installs grub by default, so when the installation finished and i rebooted, Lilo was still there, so i flushed the mbr , after i rebooted grub appeared and gave me an "error 22".....any ideas?07:43
zenroxsolaris is worse than gnu/linux07:43
lunitikzenrox: I also don't see much advantage in a SPARC over an x86 machine... other than the obvious... but they are very expensive machines...07:43
zenroxya07:43
factotumDarthFrog, huh, wierd. It's crazy to see how different groups opinionate what's the os, what's the kernel, even some cases of is there a difference07:44
DarthFrogfactotum:  The Free Software Foundation would refer to Ubuntu as Ubuntu GNU/Linux.07:44
zenroxbut ill never get one of thoes07:44
ratl3you need a live cd or a boot floppy icemanT07:44
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ratl3and you need to rebuild your mbr for grub07:44
Seqratl3: i believe graveman uses sox to convert audio07:44
ratl3oh, ok07:44
DarthFrogfactotum: It's not wierd, exactly. It's RMS' opinions and politics. :-)07:44
helio7does anyone have a good gpg keyserver they could recommend?  I'm thinking google isn't the best place to find one07:44
icemanTratl3: the thing is i reinstalled ubuntu again, still the same problem07:44
Seqratl3: is that on your gentoo machine? if I recall, there was a libflac bug in their bugzilla that caused things like gstreamer to crash when trying to use flac files07:45
ratl3ya, it was07:45
icemanTi also tried the expert mode, and tried installing lilo instead of grub,the installation froze during lilo07:45
DarthFrogfactotum: RMS is Richard Matthew Stallman.  GNU and the FSF are  his babies.07:45
ratl3hmm, i was attributing it to the mono shit07:45
icemanTim installing hoari07:45
factotumDarthFrog, yea, im still getting used to that. The opinions vs. headlines lol.07:45
lunitikSeq: hmm... well, its a dep... but likely only to depend libflac and others...07:45
Amaranthhow can mono affect libflac?07:46
ratl3the program07:46
Amaranthwhich?07:46
ratl3coaster07:46
Amaranthoh07:46
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Amaranthcoast is C :)07:46
DarthFrogfactotum: RMS and the FSF made the GNU system.  It was pretty much complete in the early ninties other than needing a kernel.  Linus Torvalds took GNU and added his kernel to it.07:46
Amaranthuses libburn isntead of cdrecord07:46
factotumi dumped redmond about a year ago. Just happen to like this more. Now I'm at the point of trying to understand who's involved, where and what everything is.07:46
ratl3oh, well, the mono one07:47
ratl3can't remember it's name07:47
DarthFrogfactotum: the combo at first was called Freax, then was renamed Linux.07:47
Amaranththere is a C# cd burner?07:47
ratl3i think07:47
SeqAmaranth: i don't understand your mono libflac question07:47
AmaranthSeq: Was asking ratl3, I misunderstood him.07:47
factotumDarthFrog, ah yea. I remember reading about that, gnu and the kernel07:47
Seqahhh07:48
factotumbaking-soda and vinigar heh07:48
ratl3gnomebaker07:48
ratl3that's the mono one07:48
zenroxfactotum,  haave you watched the 2 movies about linux and gnu opensourse07:48
lunitikDarthFrog: no... Linus first named his kernel 'Freax', but it was never released under that name... it was never assosiated with GNU however...07:48
factotumuh...movies?  cant say I have07:48
factotumsounds interesting though07:48
DarthFrogfactotum: about 5 or so years later, RMS realised that GNU and the FSF were being over-shadowed by Linux.  He's been trying to get everyone to acknowledge and honour him since then.  He absolutely insists that the system be called GNU/Linux.  At first, he tried to foist LiGNUx.  That went nowhere.07:49
zenroxfactotum,  the code, revoulition os07:49
DarthFroglunitik: Yes, I know.  The sysadmin at Helsinki renamed it Linux.07:49
ratl3Amaranth: did you get that? gnomebaker07:49
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Seqratl3: i never understood why people make cd burning apps that look like that07:50
DarthFrogfactotum: I agree that RMS and the FSF deserve a great deal of credit.  But I simply hate the name GNU/Linux.  It's ugly.  I also dislike the name Kubuntu.07:50
factotumDarthFrog, so is RMS just stomping his feet or is there merit to that feeling of being overshadowed?07:50
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lunitikDarthFrog: haha @ LiGNUx ... didn't know that... RMS should just leave the Acid alone!07:50
DarthFrogfactotum: Lots of merit.07:50
factotumi thought so07:50
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ratl3ya, i was trying to replace this k3b shit07:51
dazed||ootwhen setting up ubuntu....how do i not erase my windows partition and still install ubuntu? also i cant boot windows at this moment?07:51
DarthFroglunitik: Google it. :-)   I don't think anyone except RMS himself used the name LiGNUx.07:51
ratl3i was trying everything07:51
factotumi read a bit about his story with some printer drivers and how it kind of started out07:51
lunitikfactotum: there is merit to some extent... but I mean, its rediculous... what he wants to call "GNU/Linux", we actually call "Ubuntu" or "Fedora"...07:51
zenroxdazed||oot,  did ya slect auto partion07:51
DarthFroglunitik: And there was a great deal of resentment against him trying to change the name.  That's when he went to GNU/Linux.07:51
jnowi want install xorg07:51
Amaranthratl3: gnomebaker is _not_ C#07:51
dazed||oothow07:51
dazed||ootpartitioner comes up07:52
ratl3really?07:52
zenroxdazed||oot,  during the install07:52
lunitikDarthFrog: I think its better that we just say "Ubuntu"... that way, no one is happy, but everyone shuts up  :)07:52
factotumIt is kind of a hazy area, there hasn't really been a situation like this, that I know of, involving an OS or whatever anyone wants to call it07:52
DarthFroglunitik: Not quite right.  he has no problems with the names Fedora or Ubuntu.  Just not Fedora Linux or ubuntu Linux.  :-)07:52
dazed||ooti get a menu that says Configure software RAID ....Configure Logical Volume Manager.....Guided Partitioning...Help on Partitioning....then it says my HD with 19.9 NTFS07:52
Myrttimaking easy and simple things complicated07:52
Myrttiit's an os ffs07:53
lunitikDarthFrog: considering linux is actually such a small file in most cases... it should also be dropped imo07:53
factotumno one person is going to day "this is what it is, cut and dry" and have everyone not their head in agreement07:53
Seqgoogle search for "mono cd burner" is exactly not what i was looking for...07:53
ratl3Amaranth: my memory just made that up... i'm sorry07:53
factotumday/say07:53
DarthFroglunitik: Well, the trouble with that is, is that we need a unifying name.  And Linux is it.07:53
DarthFrogThe Ravening Beast of Redmond already has enough targets. :-)07:54
factotumzenrox, thanks for the movie titles07:54
lunitikSeq: ignore anyone that ever says "Mono has something for that"... just use graveman... its the best in the archive.07:54
zenroxdazed||oot,  welll dont do auto partions07:54
DarthFrogWe don't want the Unix wars all over again.07:54
jnowwhen install xorg ,it must uninstall more package ,why?07:54
dazed||ootzenrox: i get a menu that says Configure software RAID ....Configure Logical Volume Manager.....Guided Partitioning...Help on Partitioning....then it says my HD with 19.9 NTFS07:54
ratl3hey!07:54
Seqlunitik: i use nautilus cd burner, actually.07:54
zenroxdazed||oot,  your going to need to resize the partion07:54
dazed||oothow i have a knoppix live cd07:54
lunitikDarthFrog: "Ubuntu, LSB 2.0 Certified"07:54
zenroxdazed||oot,  and i dont know how to do that07:54
ratl3lunitik!07:54
lunitikratl3!07:55
factotumrabbits!07:55
dazed||ootanyone know how to resize a partition07:55
ratl3hah07:55
DarthFroglunitik: Too late for that.  The name Linux has the marketplace mindshare.07:55
factotumheh07:55
AmaranthAmaranth!07:55
lunitikdazed||oot: man parted07:55
lunitikDarthFrog: *kicks IBM in the nuts*07:55
DarthFrogdazed||oot: use gparted.07:55
Amaranthlunitik: IBM just jumped on the bandwagon, Linux was a known word before that07:56
ratl3what live cd has gparted on it?07:56
DarthFrogIBM did a lot more than simply jump on the bandwagon.07:56
ratl3is there a partition live cd?07:56
goldfishinstall cd07:56
goldfish:)07:56
lunitikAmaranth: not really... it was about as known as FreeBSD... tomorrow... ask 10 random people what FreeBSD is... hell, most still don't know what Linux is.07:56
DarthFrogIBM's support of Linux is of incalculable value.07:56
ratl3hah07:56
dazed||ooti cant boot up comp i only have a knoppix live disc07:56
jnoware there someone speak chinese?07:57
ratl3is qtparted on that?07:57
lunitikratl3: the LiveCD has parted07:57
dazed||ootratl307:57
dazed||ootyes07:57
DarthFrogGo to a Fortune 500 company and say, "It's officially supported by IBM".  That's credibility!07:57
lunitikdazed||oot: knoppix has qtparted07:57
dazed||ooti dunno how to use it07:57
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dazed||ooti get errors everytime i think im doing something07:58
factotumim just waiting for win to implode into nothing more than an over-hyped net tv knockoff07:58
DarthFrogfactotum: Not going to happen.  Ever.07:58
lunitikfactotum: never gonna happen07:58
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factotumah well, to dream then I guess ;)07:58
ratl3i think you mean implode into an unusable ad machine07:58
factotumyea more or less07:58
zenroxfactotum,  linux has also premated in software based dvd players ,sat recvers etc....07:59
zenroxwindows cant do that well07:59
factotumoh yes, so Ive seen07:59
DarthFrogMind you, if all the games that one could buy were to run on Linux, Windows would be really, really threatened.07:59
lunitikfactotum: perhaps, Microsoft will become irrelivant in the Server market... but too many people know Windows, and teach it.07:59
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dazed_once in qtparted what do i need to do?07:59
factotumlike their i-pod competitor that plays only .wmv07:59
ratl3god07:59
goldfishDarthFrog: Windows would be unused if that was the case :)07:59
ratl3i hate wmv07:59
DarthFrogdazed_: Back up your data!!!!!!07:59
factotumnot that i have an i-pod, I prefer the rio's myself, but cmon08:00
dazed_how lol!!!!08:00
DarthFroggoldfish: That's my point. :-)08:00
omniscienthey the past couple of days i've been trying to update hoary and keep getting errors with postfix, postfix-tls, and ubuntu-base, anyone else getting this?08:00
dazed_im so new to this partitioning stuff08:00
crimsunomniscient: are you using dist-upgrade?08:00
omniscientcrimsun, sure am08:00
dazed_i screwed it up once on my pc i cant screw it up on my laptop08:00
DarthFrogHoary uses  postfix, not exim?   Darn it.08:00
lunitikomniscient: 'apt-get dist-upgrade'08:00
Seqthe only thing I think we need is a good slideshow viewer to fit in with abiword, gnumeric, and the other "gnome office" apps08:00
ratl3do you have an extra hard drive dazed?08:00
omniscienti'm doing that08:00
goldfishDarthFrog: :)08:00
lunitikDarthFrog: warty uses postfix too  :/08:00
Amaranthlunitik: Lots of people already knew about Linux. All IBM did was give us commercials and another backer.08:01
DarthFroglunitik:  But I know and love Exim! :-)08:01
Seqonce "managers" can do their slide show presentations, everybody is "happy"08:01
ratl3openoffice 2 is sweet!08:01
factotumheh, got bored and alaised my apt-get dist-upgrade to pray08:01
abcd1234lol08:01
lunitikAmaranth: geeks knew about Linux before IBM got involved... well, maybe somewhat Oracle too...08:01
Seqratl3: yeah, but it's still huge and has some quirky issues08:01
ratl3ya, the gnome-vfs shit08:01
lunitikSeq: OOo is modular now it appears...08:02
dazed_Hey i got an error says 'Filesystem check failed! Windows wasn't shutdown properly or inconsistent'08:02
Amaranthlunitik: Any business running some form of UNIX knew about Linux, I can almost guarantee that.08:02
zenroxlunitik,  it was apache web server , then orical08:02
crimsunomniscient: I have postfix & postfix-tls installed but not ubuntu-base.08:02
Seqlunitik: to a point. it still takes a noticeable amount of time to launch08:02
dazed_can anyone help!?08:02
lunitikSeq: its beta... likely contains a lot of debugging stuff right now.08:03
factotumdazed_, you trying to dual-boot?08:03
dazed_yes factotum08:03
omniscientcrimsun, do you think these things missing will cause problems? well not missing, but not up to date08:03
factotumhmmph08:03
crimsunomniscient: will be fixed for release08:03
dazed_all i have is a knoppix live cd thats working right now08:03
dazed_my windows wont boot08:03
Seqlunitik: i doubt it will be amazingly better for load times on release08:03
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lunitikomniscient: you do what I said (apt-get dist-upgrade)08:04
omniscientcrimsun: cool. i was just wanting to update my laptop's install, i think i might just keep that on warty08:04
DarthFrogdazed_: Prepare to re-install Windows.08:04
lunitikSeq: it was pretty much the primary goal... so it better be!08:04
omniscientlunitik, i was doign that in the first place08:04
dazed_i dont have the disk DarthFrog08:04
dazed_:(08:04
ratl3can you boot into windows at all daazed_?08:04
dazed_no i get blue screen of death during boot sequence08:04
Seqlunitik: it doesn't look too modular to me.08:04
ratl3ouch08:04
factotumdazed_, a quick n dirty way is fdiskmbr with win boot cd, then i think reinstall grub?  Id have to sit and look at what you have for partition layout08:04
dazed_in safe mode and all forms of booting08:04
DarthFrogdazed_:  Yep, that's a re-install.08:05
dazed_damn08:05
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dazed_ill have to get my hands on a disc somehoe08:05
ratl3do you have any other computers around?08:05
dazed_somehow*08:05
Seqlunitik: openoffice.or2-core is 144MB ; openoffice.org2-writer is 3158kB08:05
bored2kI need help someone08:05
dazed_thoguht i had atleast 3 lieing around08:05
dazed_yes ratl3 im on my pc08:05
dazed_completely linux08:05
lunitikSeq: apt-cache search openoffice.org2 ... notice openoffice.org2-math, openoffice.org2-impress, openoffice.org2-writer ... modular  :/08:05
ratl3could you back up your files to it?08:05
bored2kHow can i erase/clear the history of my Run Applications panel [alt f2] ???08:06
dazed_yeah prolly08:06
dazed_i got enough room08:06
factotumthats how i switched, one fine day, on a crash-and-reinstall, slackware happened to be sitting closer to me. and i thought "what the hell, why not"08:06
dazed_i can prolly just get a windows disk tomorrow though08:06
lunitikSeq: look up definition of modular... also, like I said, its likely containing a lot of debugging right now...08:06
Seqlunitik: i will after you do08:06
ratl3ok, you're fine then08:06
factotumwent slack, fbsd, deb, ubu08:06
dazed_so ill do a windows repair tomorrow then setup a partition in a windows program and dual boot that way08:07
Seqlunitik: just because the binary for the 'writer' component is in a separate package does not make it moduler08:07
bored2kAnyone please -- How can i erase/clear the history of my Run Applications panel [alt f2] ???08:07
Seqbleh, modular08:07
bryanbored2k:  applications>system tools>configuration editor>gnome-settings>gnome-panel08:07
dazed_how old is ubu?08:07
lunitikadj : constructed with standardized units or dimensions allowing flexibility and variety in use; "modular furniture"; "modular homes"08:07
lunitikSeq: don't need math if its unneeded  :/08:07
factotumdont know, ive only used it for about a week so far08:07
factotumlike it so far ;P08:08
bored2kbryan how do i clear it ??08:08
dazed_yeah i think im on a week myself08:08
bryanuse your brain08:08
Seqlunitik: -math is only 1204KB. do you expect me to believe the _entire_ functionality of the math component is 1MB, or that large amounts of effort were spent to ensure this could be shipped separately?08:09
ratl3man, windows08:09
bored2kbryan c`mon! the values in history-gnome-run are a bunch of apps, no yes/no/flase ??08:09
bryanduh08:09
bored2kbryan lol my bad08:10
bored2kthanx08:10
bryanapps that you've run from the 'run applications'08:10
Seqlunitik: -draw is 360KB. the only thing that looks like it can be separated is -calc, which is 13.9MB08:10
factotumstill have my fbsd file server though, that thing has been going since summer. Just an old p166 w/64megs.08:10
lunitikSeq: irrelivant to 'modular'... don't want it? don't install it... hence modular...08:10
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Seqlunitik: that is not actually modular, it just doesn't install a launcher for it. the functionality is still installed and present, you just cant access it08:11
Seqits all combined together in one "hugeass" package still.08:11
ratl3you on dialup or something?08:11
lunitikratl3: we preseed comments with a username for a reason...08:12
lunitikratl3: who exactly are you talking to?08:12
ratl3hah08:12
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ratl3Seq08:12
Seqratl3: no08:13
ratl3ok08:13
ratl3lunitik: sorry about being lazy, just not too comfortable in qwerty08:14
lunitikratl3: lun[tab] 08:14
lunitikratl3: we're all lazy... thats why we use Linux!08:14
lunitikIt takes less to do more!08:14
ratl3lunitik: oh, xchat has tab completion08:14
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ratl3lunitik, nice!08:14
lunitikratl3: I can't name an IRC client that doesn't!08:14
crimsunircII ;-)08:15
ratl3lunitik, i don't chat on irc that much08:15
lunitikactually... scratch that... I don't think ircii did (I think thats its name)08:15
lunitikOr Epic actually...08:15
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ratl3hah08:15
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lunitikcrimsun: gah... yeah... I remembered before you said that  :)08:16
lunitikcrimsun: does epic?08:17
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crimsunlunitik: by default, I don't think so, but scripts...08:17
ratl3ok, i'm happy now08:17
ratl3hah08:18
lunitikcrimsun: I only recall running it for an hour or so... didn't look into much... trying to find something that sucked less than bitchx   :)08:18
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ratl3hmm, i need to try out pptp vpn at school in a couple days08:19
ratl3i've installed the pptp config package08:20
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ratl3i hope it works08:20
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ratl3oh, that reminds me... how many of you are active evangelists?08:23
ratl3heh08:23
ratl3ok, i guess i should go now too08:24
ratl3all alone08:24
exknoppixUbuntu evangelists or Christian evangelists?08:24
ratl3ubuntu or just linux in general08:24
ratl3i don't really want to talk to the Christian ones08:25
exknoppixI'm too lazy and mellow to be an evangelist08:25
d3vic3wtf?08:25
ratl3it's a problem with me08:25
exknoppixsometimes I mention Linux to regular non-techie people ... but they're too hooked to MS Windows08:25
ratl3I MUST CONVERT!08:26
ratl3hah08:26
exknoppixwhat, people are too evangelical or not evangelical enough?08:26
DarthFrogI try not to be a zealot in my evangelism.  Rather I try to give an honest and balanced approach, one where I acknowledge my biases.08:26
ratl3it's real hard though08:26
DarthFrogratl3: That's exactly the wrong approach.  Telling them they "must" do something will only get their backs up.08:27
DarthFrogInstead, find out their dissatisfactions and deal with them.08:27
ratl3i said 'I MUST'08:27
ratl3but, ya, i agree08:27
ratl3it's a psychological game08:27
exknoppixif you're a tech enthusiast and really want to dig into some awesome tools, then I say Linux (or some non-proprietary system) ... but if you just vant to get some work done and you're already comfortable in Windows, then just stay there, for now08:28
ratl3work done in windows?08:28
DarthFrogMy preferred approach is to be approachable.  Give them some teaser info and let them come to me. Let them sell themselves.08:28
ratl3when it's not crashing?08:28
bryanumm08:28
bryanwindows honestly doesn't crash that much08:29
bryanespecially if you know how to take care of it08:29
ratl3exactly08:29
DarthFrogNot anymore, it doesn't,08:29
exknoppixwith stuff like browser tabbing and awesome wget installlation and multiple desktops, a crucial threshold will be crossed some day (I hope)08:29
DarthFrogIt's finally a decent system, for stability.08:29
DarthFrogFor security, well, that's another matter.08:29
ratl3i was including the spyware adware shit08:29
ratl3i only use windows on other peoples computers08:30
exknoppixI've been thinking about offering to install Linux on people's machines ... would be interesting to do "market research" and post the results08:30
ratl3and they don't know how to take care of it08:30
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exknoppixreally, the big hassle is that people don't want to bother with the install08:30
DarthFrogexknoppix: You'll find yourself being called upon to do *ALL* their support.08:30
ratl3but still, it requires you to reinstall it every year or so08:30
ratl3heh, make them pay you exknoppix08:31
viper12I just moved my dad over to linux..........because it kept slowin' down. ---if you know what i mean?  he was sick to DEATH of all the crap he had to do to keep spyware/malware/viruses from infesting his box.  He knows zippo about Linux....but he's a happy as a clam now.08:31
exknoppixI think that if you did a couple weeks of hand-holding, then most people would come to love Linux. There is a lot of great stuff out there.08:31
viper12(windows kept slowing down.) - insert.08:31
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ratl3all computer novices *should* run as root08:32
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viper12hand holding exknoppix? for what?  if you know linux.....and get the install right at the beginning...the end user doesn't need hand holding...nor can the end user screw it up. ;)08:32
viper12lmao ratl308:32
DarthFrogratl3: Umm...08:32
exknoppixDarthFrog: agreed, and, at present, I'm not motivated enough to do all that support ... I suggest the idea only as a way to do "market research" ... gather data on how real non-techies respond to current Linux08:32
ratl3actually ubuntu wouldn't require any support08:33
ratl3or maybe a little08:33
ratl3but less than windows08:33
exknoppixviper12: if you've spent 5-10 years on Windows, then you have all these habits and expectations ... many little things are different on Linux and your average non-techie person will get turned off unless they get a lot of gentle encouragement08:33
DarthFrogratl3: You're kidding yourself.08:34
ratl3i don't know08:34
ratl3hmm08:34
DarthFrogLess than Windows, yes.08:34
ratl3ya, iu corrected myseld08:34
ratl3but all you'd have to do is set it up08:35
DarthFrogIn the overall, that's true.  But until the novice users get as accomplished in Ubuntu as they already are in Windows, their support needs will be greater.08:35
exknoppixif you have a 100% tech-newbie, then today, Linux may actually be easier to learn than Windows ... however, 95% of potential Linux converts out there are non-techies with experience with Windows ... it's like moving to a different country after growing up somewhere else08:35
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viper12don't completely agree with that one exknoppix.  My current example (dad) doesn't live with me.  He's had windows for several years.  He surfs, online banks via web, plays solitaire, listens to tunes.  I set up an ubuntu install and got the mp3/ web plugs set, configured a clean desktop and after 20 minutes I left him to it.  He hasn't called me about it all week, cept yesterday to thank me for a cool machine.08:35
bryani've been thinking about changing over my gf's 'rents, but her mom needs to access a Exchange server for work, via IE08:35
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exknoppixwhat's interesting is how people in developing nations pick up Linux because many have zero Windows habits ... there, we may gain an unassailable install base08:36
ratl3you can run IE in linux08:36
ratl3heh08:36
bryancan/could/would/should/wouldn't08:36
ratl3try crossover08:36
ratl3haha08:36
ratl3it's good for testing your site08:36
ratl3there is an initial learning curve for linux08:37
viper12Most users don't have the first clue about IE/FF/Opera.  They all have similar controls, show the web, back/forth stop/home buttons.  They wanna do what they do and not be bothered by the crap that infests windows soo damn easily anymore.08:37
ratl3but over the long run i think it is currently easier for the novice to ue08:38
exknoppixviper12: number #1, _you_ set things up ... number #2, your dad didn't run into any nasty quirks. with my online banking, firefox does now work because my stupid bank are idiots so I have to fake things ... number #3, lots of people doing real work, use minor apps that aren't 100% there in Linux yet. and there will gripe.08:38
viper12And as far as the learning curve goes, for the experienced pc'er, that all depends upon how deeply down the rabbit hole we wish to go.08:38
dashif we had a decent replacement for quicken/quickbooks, i have a lot of windows users i could convert today08:38
ratl3again they run nicely in wine08:39
ratl3:/08:39
dasheh08:39
ratl3heh08:39
dashi've tried08:39
ratl3what my dad uses08:39
exknoppixrat13: actually, I think that Linux _has_ crossed that threshold of ease of use ... Linux is pretty amazing these days ... I remember using Linux back in 1995 -- ouch, especially on set up08:39
dashthere's still some quirks, last i checked08:39
viper12exknoppix,  if it wasn't for MY PERSONAL BIAS against KDE, I'd have run the installer for Xandros, and WALKED AWAY and let him at it.08:39
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exknoppixsee ... it's all these different apps that people are used to ... for some people it's quicken/quickbooks ... for others, it's something else08:40
DarthFrogAnother thing, if a home user needs Windows support, well, the Kid Next Door <tm> can provide it.  There aren't so many readily available linux supporters on hand in the neighbourhood.08:40
dashexknoppix: yep08:40
ratl3dash, he's running the crossover version, but i'm sure they work nicely in regular wine08:40
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ratl3that's why we need the kids next door runnin linux08:40
dashratl3: yeah, i tried it with cxoffice.08:40
exknoppixreally, Linux is under an unfair situation ... few non-techies would ever be willing to do a Windows installation08:41
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ratl3dash, what version?08:41
dashratl3: 3.008:41
DarthFrogratl3: you'll get no argument from me on that.08:41
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ratl3all the people that make me support them i put linux on their computer08:41
ratl3freaking family08:41
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ratl3saves me alot of time08:42
viper12exactly exknoppix ...........people are used to windows, but when they run into problems.....(the novice users) its off to the land of microsoft support at a zillion an hour on hold.  FUD is holding linux back...as well as the fact that beause its free, there are no full page ads for it in the local paper.08:42
exknoppixthat's just it ... you have to jump through extra hoops like crossover ... most people get impatient with the smallest nuisance in, say, retail ... we have a very short attention span and demanding attitude in many areas of our life08:42
DarthFrogratl3: Yeah, but they've supported you all these years. :-)08:42
ratl3ya, i agree08:42
ratl3ha08:42
Amaranthratl3: I'd do that for my grandparents if my grandpa didn't like to play those damn Madden games.08:42
romcan i copy a file from my computer to a ssh server using ssh in terminal?08:42
DarthFrogrom: Use rsync or scp.08:42
ratl3i still don't want to have to mess with the headache of windows anymore08:43
exknoppix"kids next door runnin linux" ... totally, grassroots is like crab grass ... hard to eradicate once it gets going08:43
dashrom: sure. 'scp foo example.com:foo'08:43
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ratl3have you tried the nautilus ssh support?08:43
dongjinDoes anyone know how to use swsusp (Suspend to Desk)? Thanks.08:43
romwhat is foo example.com:foo08:43
dashrom: do you know how to use cp?08:43
viper12short and sweet t'night........woot.......movie finished dl/in........time for some adventure with nic cage and company.! laterz. :D08:43
exknoppixand that's the other thing ... computer games ... and WineX/etc just isn't there yet08:43
romsorta08:43
robzulahI doenloaded the Kmud binary, but when I go to run it with ./kmud it says "./kmud: line 21: /home/zeppelin/kmud-1.0-linux-i386/bin/kmud: cannot execute binary file" any idea why?08:43
dashrom: scp is similar.08:43
Amaranthit calls it ssh but it's really sftp (i hope it has an scp fallback)08:43
bryanhaha08:44
ratl3ya, i think that's the path08:44
bryanexknoppix:  did you download the dvdr or xvid?08:44
ratl3we need to get winex there so that the kids next door run linux08:44
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viper12one solution for games:  dual boot wintendo with games only.  heh heh.  asta.08:44
Amaranthkind of hard08:44
bryani hear they have 'do not duplicate' and 'property of walt disney' on the tp and bottom08:44
DarthFrogrobzulah: What're the permissions on kmud?  Is it marked executable.08:44
da_bon_bonhi all08:44
DarthFroghi da_bon_bon, what's it like in India now? :-)08:45
bryanfuck winex, developers need to start making native linux games08:45
ratl3ya, i agreee08:45
ratl3but we need to work on both08:45
da_bon_bonwhats the best downlaod manager ? prozilla ? d4x ?08:45
bryanand graphics card makers need to start getting good drivers out08:45
DarthFrogbryan: Except for a few (i.e. ID) it isn't happening.08:46
dashda_bon_bon: bittorrent, obviously08:46
exknoppixI wish people would _pay_ for Free Software development of games ... but that dream won't come true for years08:46
bryani would pay for hl2 on PC, just like i payed for it on windows08:46
bryaneerr08:46
robzulahwhich permission DarthFrog? (I'm a Linux newbie, bare with me please. =)08:46
bryans/pc/linux08:46
DarthFrogexknoppix: Besides who needs another game after they've played Frozen Bubble. :-)08:46
exknoppixif Free Software could get just 10% of the money spent on games, then with code-sharing, Linux would be _the_ platform within 5 years08:46
dashDarthFrog: infidel! clearly the correct game is nethack08:47
DarthFrogdash: LOL!08:47
dashexknoppix: yeah well08:47
dashexknoppix: until we get quality video drivers, it's not going to happen08:47
ratl3ya, we need to create more places for money in free software08:47
exknoppixpersonally, my favorite downloader is wget ... but I like to do the micromanagement myself08:47
DarthFrogrobzulah: Open a terminal and issue the command "ls -l kmud*" in the directory that the kmud binary is installed in.08:47
dashexknoppix: and i am willing to bet that we will not get quality video drivers until software 3D rendering comes back08:48
robzulahit says "-rwxr-xr-x    1 zeppelin zeppelin      399 2001-06-29 07:54 kmud"08:48
DarthFrogrobzulah: What do the first 10 characters say?  It should be something like rwxr_xr_x08:49
ratl3dash, software 3d rendering?08:49
exknoppixactually, with stuff like Frozen Bubble, Linux will gradually become a very fun platform for most non-game-heads ... isn't cutting edge but is very much fun08:49
dashratl3: yeah08:49
ratl3dash, like maya and shit?08:49
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dashratl3: no, like mesa and shit08:49
ratl3oh08:49
dashexcept non-sucky :)08:49
exknoppixpersonally, my favorite "game" is Wikipedia ... is the most kick-ass online multi-player universe ever invented08:49
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ratl3haha exknoppix08:49
romhow do i copy a folder thru ssh?08:49
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exknoppix... and the video drivers are a big problem in the Wikipedia game08:50
ratl3try mounting a remote drive in nautilus rom08:50
ratl3easiest way08:50
da_bon_bonexknoppix: which wikipedia game ?08:50
shockermmm... one question: in evolution 2.2 (hoary) - why does personal in calendar and tasks noz have a cistomizable color anymore?08:50
dashexknoppix: Hmm. I like your idea.08:51
ratl3wikipedia itself da_bon_bon08:51
DarthFrogda_bon_bon: He's not serious.08:51
dashexknoppix: If any of the game ideas i've got on the back burner ever become practical, I think they will require wikipedia integration. :)08:51
exknoppixda_bon_bon: I'm kind of joking here08:51
ratl3hah!08:51
ratl3we should develop games08:52
ratl3and stop bitching about it08:52
exknoppixdash: I can believe it ... yes, combine real world data with a total VR game08:52
dashexknoppix: "total VR" is a myth08:52
ratl3what ideas do you have dash ?08:52
bryani can't even get out of 60hz08:53
bryancan't even run a screensaver08:53
exknoppixwe should make a computer game which makes computer games ... then feed the output back into the input08:53
dashratl3: mostly adventure-game type stuff08:53
bryanthe 3d screensavers run at like 10fps08:53
ratl3how much game dev experience do you have?08:53
dashnot a whole lot.08:53
dashratl3: anyway, i'm mostly waiting for the technology to advance enough08:54
exknoppixdash: well, let me tell you about a little thing called ... The Matrix!08:54
ratl3hah!08:54
DarthFrogexknoppix: Then you'll have a computer that plays with itself.  The Moral Majority will then have computers outlawed. :-008:54
exknoppixdash: the wool has been pulled over your eyes08:54
ratl3DarthFrog, haha08:54
dashratl3: fortunately, the stuff i do at my day job is moving in that direction08:54
dashexknoppix: prepare for face mashing08:54
ratl3dash, games?08:55
exknoppixDarthFrog: if voting really mattered, they'd make it illegal08:55
dashratl3: infrastructure that will be useful for games08:55
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exknoppixdash: "face mashing"??? sorry, I'm a bit behind the times08:55
ratl3exknoppix, voting does matter... to them08:55
ratl3exknoppix, a way to waste all of our time08:56
DarthFrogJust seen on Slashdot:08:56
DarthFrogOur primary concern in the short term is with being able to ship a SeaMonkey front end on08:56
DarthFrogtop of a Gecko08:56
DarthFrogThat doesn't sound like a developer's list, that sounds like a post on alt.sex.zoophilia.08:56
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ratl3exknoppix, thinking we are changing anything08:56
exknoppixdash: are you planning on "mashing" my face?08:56
Voidzero1Hi, could anyone please help me with my installation of Ubuntu?08:56
dashexknoppix: yes, if you keep talking about dumb movies :p08:56
dashVoidzero1: hi! what's up08:56
exknoppixsure, is all about the illusion of legitimacy08:56
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dashexknoppix: anyway i think that phrase came from a strongbad email :)08:57
Voidzero1Hi Dash!  How're doing?  Having trouble with my X server GUI08:57
dashratl3: anyway here's an idea08:57
exknoppixdash: hey, I haven't even started on The Fight Club yet08:57
ratl3exknoppix, i still vote though.. heh08:57
dashratl3: one of the problem with MMORPGs is making sure that the production of game content by the developers stays ahead of the consumption of it by players08:58
ratl3dash, ya08:58
dashratl3: this, among other problems, has made it very hard for a community-run MMORPG to arise08:58
exknoppixI consider voting a mental exercise ... is a way to focus your attention on issues08:58
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exknoppixfortunately, I live in Canada where we have more than Pepsi/Coke to choose from08:59
ratl3exknoppix, what kind of system would you prefer?08:59
dashratl3: one of the reasons this is difficult is because there's no good way to run untrusted code in a real programming language securely and efficiently on a server08:59
Voidzero1I get the shell instead of the GUI.  I'm a newbie at Linux.  Helping out with tuxLabs installations in ZA.  Want to enter Linux enviroment full time.08:59
DarthFrogexknoppix: Yeah, we have Moosehead and Blue, too. :-)08:59
dashVoidzero1: ok, what gfx card?09:00
ratl3dash, hmm, ya09:00
exknoppixdash: need to make fractal, reusable MMORPG content ... create the illusion of vast spaces09:00
ratl3exknoppix, that gets boring in like a minute09:00
Voidzero1Old ISA card09:01
exknoppixrat13: "system would you prefer" ... you mean electoral system?09:01
ratl3exknoppix, yah09:01
dashratl3: so right now, if you want people to contribute to your gameworld, you either give them a crippled tool, or you trust them to touch all code in your system09:01
dashratl3: if we can change that, some interesting possibilities arise, i think09:01
dashVoidzero1: zoinks09:01
exknoppixabout the "fractal" comment ... I'm just goofing09:01
ratl3dash, i thought you had an idea to change that09:01
ratl3hah09:01
dashratl3: yeah, i do09:02
ratl3dash, how?09:02
dashratl3: hopefully i will be giving a demo at pycon09:02
ratl3dash, cool09:02
zbowlingwho said gecko?09:02
zbowlinghehe09:02
dashratl3: i am hitting some snags in the code though, it's going to be tight :)09:02
exknoppixrat13: I'd say that "direct action" is more important than once-every-4-years of voting ... realize that your day-to-day life is more politically important than once-a-year vote ... as for elections, I'd like at least half the seats go to proportional representation09:02
dashisn't "direct action" a euphemism for "political assassination"?09:03
ratl3exknoppix, so you'd go more for a reform of the current system?09:03
pepsiexknoppix, hi09:03
pepsi;)09:03
zbowlingDarthFrog: you say something about gecko?09:03
pepsiyou lit me up09:03
DarthFrogzbowling: Not really.09:03
ratl3pepsi, hah09:03
quaruptSo i guess media stuff for AMD64 is just non existant, no realplayer nor mplayer09:03
zbowlingzbowling: aah gecko pings me because of my gtkembedmoz port to win32 :-)09:04
exknoppixdash: what's pycon09:04
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dashexknoppix: http://pycon.org/09:04
dashexknoppix: community python conference09:04
dashin 2 weeks in DC09:04
zbowlingDarthFrog: aah gecko pings me because of my gtkembedmoz port to win32 and the gecko# wrapper for mono :-)09:04
exknoppixdash: "direct action" == "political assassination"? hmm, I'd never heard of that ... I thought that direct action was just about activism as a meaningful part of your life09:04
ratl3is python good enought to run a large mmorpg?09:05
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dashratl3: heh, what else would you use?09:05
fusion88hi09:05
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zbowlinguse mono instead of python..09:05
ratl3well, i meant fast engouh09:05
DarthFrogzbowling: I had just read a funny comment on Slashdot and cross-posted it here.09:05
exknoppixdash: I'm 100% non-violent ... mostly because I find fighting boring and scary09:05
dashexknoppix: exactly how i feel about politics :)09:05
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dashexknoppix: not surprising, given that politics is just organized violence...09:05
fusion88aussies09:06
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exknoppixdash: sigh, you lucky geek, you09:06
fusion88geezz09:06
jdubguys09:06
jdubthis is way off-topic09:06
pastyhermitman09:06
jdubelsewhere please :)09:06
pastyhermitDisk utility sucks09:06
pastyhermitit cant burn hoary-ppc09:06
pastyhermitwhats the deal?09:06
dashjdub: good point :)09:06
fusion88ok i need help please09:06
ratl3hah09:06
dashalso, it is way past my bedtime09:06
pastyhermitit couldnt do warty either09:06
jdubpastyhermit: in OS X? yes, there are known bugs with it unfortunately :|09:06
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fusion88whats the best way to install a belkin usb wireless card on ubuntu its a F5D605009:06
pastyhermitjdub: any suggestions09:06
jdubpastyhermit: there is a command line tool you can use, i'm pretty sure this is mentioned on the wiki09:06
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pastyhermitjdub:09:07
pastyhermitk09:07
fusion88hi09:07
Voidzero1Dash, is the ISA GFx card too old?  Should I use a more updated PC?09:07
exknoppixdash: I don't agree that politics is "organized violence" ... for many people that is true ... however, in my country of Canada, medicare is very political and there is nothing violent about that09:07
fusion88wtf this is a linux channel not pilitics bullshit09:07
bryanyay  for canada :D09:07
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exknoppixsorry folks, don't want to bore ... I just had to give Dash some hopes about politics09:09
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