[12:01] <looksaus> QMario, last time I did this, it involved some messing around in a samba config file
[12:02] <looksaus> but that was before I bought this ethernet Postscript laser printer
[12:02] <looksaus> sorry, can't really help you if you need a more graphical solution
[12:03] <QMario> Oh, Thank you anyway :)
[12:06] <dmoyne> I have a question related to permission setting for character device under "/dev" ; can anybody help me ?
[12:06] <rtuck> Hi guys. I did a kernel upgrade last night with Synaptic and now the machine refuses to boot. I booted the live cd to make menu.lst point to the new kernel but there seems to be a problem with the initrd. it just gives a binfmt-0000 error.
[12:07] <dmoyne> I have a question related to permission setting for character device under "/dev" ; can anybody help me ?
[12:07] <umarmung> Has anyone in here tried to run the glest port (http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uxsm/glest/) on hoary? I always get - undefined reference to `XF86VidModeQueryVersion' - when I compile it.
[12:07] <umarmung> I think i installed any additional xfffoo-dev packages i could find, but maybe i miss 1? :(
[12:08] <drasko> hello...
[12:08] <drasko> where are the iptables config files?
[12:08] <hawke_> drasko: there aren't any normally
[12:09] <bob2> drasko: please pick *one* channel
[12:09] <bob2> drasko: /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian
[12:10] <mkp> Anyone else seeing random hangs (hard lockups) with recent 2.6.10 kernels? Happens on both my desktop (athlon xp) and my laptop (thinkpad x22)? The 2.6.8.1-based kernels are fine in both cases.
[12:10] <DarthFrog> mkp: I installed 2.6.19-k7 this afternoon on my laptop (Duron 1.1 GHz). Seems fine.
[12:11] <mkp> the lockups are a lot more frequent on my laptop than on the desktop, so I suspect ACPI
[12:11] <bob2> what happened when you disabled acpi?
[12:11] <mkp> either that or Radeon
[12:11] <goldfish> what is the command to update the locate database, i keep forgetting :/
[12:11] <bob2> goldfish: updatedb
[12:11] <hawke_> goldfish: updatedb
[12:12] <rtuck> goldfish: updatedb, I believe.
[12:12] <goldfish> thanks
[12:12] <mkp> bob2: didn't try on the desktop, my laptop is generally unhappy without it.
[12:12] <mkp> bob2: in all cases the lockups occur when the box is idle
[12:12] <shekhar> hello. can anyone help me with a ppc installation of ubuntu on a pbg4 17"?
[12:12] <mkp> no screensaver enable
[12:12] <bob2> shekhar: not unless you ask a question
[12:13] <occy> hey bob2, when hoary becomes stable, I should be able to just s/warthy/hoary/g in my sources.list and apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade right?
[12:13] <shekhar> bob2: my question is why does the screen freeze after logging into ubuntu? and other questions about network and display config...
[12:13] <mkp> But anyway. Just wanted to know whether anybody else had seen this. Will debug later...
[12:13] <bob2> occy: yes
[12:13] <occy> k, danke
[12:13] <bob2> shekhar: that would be a bug
[12:14] <shekhar> bob2: so i thought
[12:14] <shekhar> bob2: so is it safe to say ubuntu doesn't work on my mac?
[12:14] <bob2> no
[12:14] <bob2> it's safe to say you found some bug
[12:15] <shekhar> bob2: :)
[12:15] <shekhar> bob2: how can i help address that?
[12:15] <SiRrUs> good evening fellows
[12:16] <bob2> shekhar: ask on the user list, I guess
[12:16] <bob2> assuming no one else has reported that bug in bugzilla
[12:17] <blizah> where do you set the screensaver in ubuntu
[12:17] <cavediver> Can someone recomend a disk-crypt software included in ubuntu
[12:17] <bryan> blizah:  system>preferences>screensaver
[12:17] <bob2> cavediver: dm-crypt.
[12:18] <BockBilbo> bye!
[12:18] <dmoyne> I have a question on permission set to character device in /dev that I want to modify ; can anybody help me ?
[12:18] <Aapzak> blizah, you dont set it in ubuntu
[12:18] <dmoyne> I have a question on permission set to character device in /dev that I want to modify ; can anybody help me ?
[12:19] <bryan> Aapzak:  are you on crack or something, buddy?
[12:19] <bob2> dmoyne: you only need to ask once
[12:19] <bob2> dmoyne: and you need to be less vague
[12:19] <blizah> bryan: if ya dont mind me asking how do i get to system?
[12:19] <Aapzak> bryan, screensaver had nothing to do with the core
[12:19] <Aapzak> in gnome you can set screensaver
[12:20] <blizah> aapzak ya know what i meant :D
[12:20] <Aapzak> or you can use an other screensaver daemon
[12:20] <Aapzak> thought so
[12:20] <blizah> found it
[12:20] <Aapzak> it is in the system settings, have you found those yet?
[12:20] <Aapzak> kewl
[12:20] <dmoyne> simlply I want sg2 to be root:scanner rather than root:disk as set in udev.permissions
[12:21] <blizah> i love the bouncing cow screensaver...makes me laugh everytime
[12:21] <eyequeue> dmoyne:  chgrp
[12:21] <Aapzak> I love screensavers that don't load my cpu :)
[12:21] <PhantomCircuit> would "wget -b -q http://site.com/file.ext > file.ext" ?
[12:21] <Aapzak> black screen it is for me
[12:22] <moondust> hey Aapzak, how'd your upgrade go?
[12:22] <blizah> yea but i cant give up the cow :D
[12:22] <Aapzak> perfect I think
[12:22] <Aapzak> blizah, :)
[12:22] <moondust> good for you
[12:22] <neighborlee> hey guys..anyone playing with hoary preview release 5.04..i'm wondering what the actual boot time is???
[12:22] <bryan> blizah:  last menu on the top panel
[12:22] <bob2> depends entirely on hardware
[12:22] <punkrockguy318> neighborlee, depends on hardware
[12:22] <SiRrUs> neighborlee mine is about the same as aray 6
[12:22] <bryan> (i'm in hoary, you must be in warty)
[12:22] <Aapzak> I quit X before upgrade, everything went nice, rebooted and all I had to do was add 1400x1050 for my tft
[12:22] <neighborlee> punkrockguy318, piV2.26/gig ram
[12:23] <moondust> and on having a net connection
[12:23] <Aapzak> I did not count, but it boots way faster than Windows XP
[12:23] <neighborlee> whattttttt
[12:24] <Aapzak> with working INET
[12:24] <neighborlee> gez XP boots in like 15 seconds or so
[12:24] <neighborlee> and this is faste ? ;-)
[12:24] <Aapzak> not here
[12:24] <neighborlee> er
[12:24] <Aapzak> :)
[12:24] <neighborlee> oh
[12:24] <bob2> hoary does not boot in 15 seconds
[12:24] <rtuck> If you were changing kernels out would you ever have to do anything with binfmt afterwards? Update scripts, alias, anything of that nature?
[12:24] <Aapzak> I guess my XP is crappy, it takes ages to load
[12:24] <bob2> rtuck: if you use ubuntu kernels, no
[12:24] <goldfish> so does mine
[12:25] <neighborlee> well my system is fast so I guess...
[12:25] <eyequeue> "changing kernels out"?
[12:25] <neighborlee> not as fast as the nice NEW ones but its fast enough
[12:25] <umarmung> Has anyone in here tried to run the glest port (http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uxsm/glest/) on hoary? I always get - undefined reference to `XF86VidModeQueryVersion' - when I compile it. Do i miss some optional xfffoo-dev package?
[12:25] <rtuck> eyequeue: Tried to upgrade my kernel to 2.10 k7 last night, system died afterwards. Gives binfmt-000 error on boot.
[12:26] <neighborlee> SiRrUs, meaning how fast are you at the desktop compared to say XP
[12:26] <mellinux> Hey everyone, I had a question about dual-booting Ubuntu and winXP. I'm getting an old 10GB hard drive in a few days, and I decided to try and install Ubuntu on it. I have an 80GB Maxtor hard drive I'm using with winXP right now. What on earth do I have to do so it won't screw up my PC?
[12:26] <eyequeue> rtuck:  no ideas
[12:26] <Aapzak> unplug your 80Gb disk
[12:26] <SiRrUs> neighborlee not sure if i am following you
[12:26] <feAR`> Maybe someone is using ubuntu on ppc?
[12:27] <feAR`> ;)
[12:27] <DarthFrog> mellinux:  Probably nothing.  Ubuntu will detect your WinXP installation and add it to the boot menu.
[12:27] <bryan> how do i burn an audio cd from mp3's instead of burning a mp3 cd?
[12:27] <neighborlee> SiRrUs, well i wazs wondeing just how fast 'ultra-fast' really is ( compared to XP which for me boots in no more than 20 seconds)
[12:27] <neighborlee> SiRrUs, granted XP isn't as se cure etc.etc. but anyway ;-)
[12:27] <bryan> ubuntu boots fast
[12:27] <rtuck> eyequeue: Thanks anyways. Maybe I can throw in another kernel and modules from over the network with a livecd.
[12:27] <neighborlee> yeah hoary seems faster anyway
[12:28] <bryan> about 30 seconds for me (p4 2.8 1024 dual channel RAM
[12:28] <SiRrUs> neighborlee I have never timed the boot process my machine stay on usually
[12:28] <neighborlee> although I dont have the preview release
[12:28] <socomm> XP may not run as many daemons at bootup either.
[12:28] <The-Ghost|afk> okay how do i get new hdd's on ubuntu ore can somone point me to a place on forums wher i can find it???
[12:28] <The-Ghost|afk> have lookt all over
[12:28] <neighborlee> socomm, yeah I doubt it does exactly
[12:28] <neighborlee> SiRrUs, ah ok np..I was just curious
[12:29] <bryan> The-Ghost|afk:  man mount
[12:29] <SiRrUs> neighborlee get the preview, you will like it
[12:29] <Phr0stByte> Why can't I get video when updating to the new kernel? (Hoary)
[12:29] <SiRrUs> be back after dinner
[12:29] <bryan> or http://ubuntuguide.org/#mountunmountntfs
[12:29] <The-Ghost|afk> that's ntfs.
[12:30] <The-Ghost|afk> need to mount ntfs and fat32
[12:30] <bryan> so change ntfs to fat32
[12:30] <The-Ghost|afk> ubuntu i know can't writgh to ntfs.
[12:30] <Tzi> Hi!
[12:30] <The-Ghost|afk> :p
[12:30] <neighborlee> SiRrUs, so as the fixes come in you just do a upgrade meaning in time you'll have the full release right
[12:30] <farruinn> Is there any way to search for documents by date created?
[12:30] <The-Ghost|afk> but it's only ntfs.
[12:30] <The-Ghost|afk> what about fat32?
[12:30] <bryan> look right under the ntfs section
[12:30] <bryan> it says fat32
[12:30] <The-Ghost|afk> aha
[12:30] <neighborlee> also..can liveCD's yet install to HD ?
[12:31] <farruinn> neighborlee, don't believe so
[12:31] <Tzi> I'm having problems with cups, and latest hoary (updated last night).
[12:31] <Tzi> If I hit print (test print, for example), the print job appears, reports 'printing' for a few seconds, then disappears without anything happening - No errors, no activity at all..
[12:31] <Tzi> Does anyone know what could be happening?
[12:31] <poyayan> thanks for the release good stuff
[12:31] <farruinn> I'm pretty sure that would be pretty big news
[12:31] <neighborlee> farruinn, k thx
[12:31] <neighborlee> farruinn, again np ..just curious
[12:31] <neighborlee> preview sounds amazing ;-)
[12:31] <The-Ghost|afk> thx
[12:31] <The-Ghost|afk> of to tray
[12:31] <The-Ghost|afk> try
[12:32] <farruinn> neighborlee, I *think* the plan is to eventually have a liveDVD that allows that
[12:32] <neighborlee> woah
[12:32] <Phr0stByte> Why can't I get video when updating to the new kernel? (Hoary and nVidia card)
[12:32] <neighborlee> sweeeeeet
[12:32] <Tzi> Phr0stByte: Did you install linux-restricted-modules?
[12:32] <socomm> PhantomCircuit: You have to update your drivers *every* time you update your kernel.
[12:33] <Aapzak> is there anyone here who is against Hoary for a clean install at the moment?
[12:33] <neighborlee> farruinn, do you know if upgrading as I go with preview will get me up to final stable release ?
[12:33] <Phr0stByte> Tzi: Duh - no
[12:33] <farruinn> neighborlee, yeah, as long as your sources.list has hoary you'll eventually be in stable once hoary goes stable
[12:33] <Phr0stByte> Thanx
[12:33] <jesuel> new screenshot :) : http://members.dslextreme.com/users/sjgerman/images/screenshot.png
[12:33] <Tzi> Phr0stByte: ;)
[12:34] <farruinn> so apparently ext3 fs don't store data about date created?
[12:34] <mellinux> DarthFrog: Did you say that Ubuntu will automatically take care of the dual-booting for me? If so, does it let me select what I want to boot every time I power up my PC?
[12:35] <neighborlee> farruinn, as I figured..ok thx man
[12:35] <farruinn> mellinux, last I knew it doens't, but you just have to uncomment some stuff in your grub.conf I think
[12:35] <farruinn> mellinux, but once it's configured you can hit esc during boot to choose ubuntu or windows
[12:35] <Aapzak> mellinux, in Hoary there is a GUI for your bootloader in which you can select your default OS
[12:35] <l0wrd> I cant get my sound working.
[12:36] <farruinn> Aapzak, ooh, that's a good additoin
[12:36] <Aapzak> yeah grubmanager is great
[12:36] <mellinux> Uncomment? What is that?
[12:36] <Aapzak> ouch mellinux
[12:36] <Aapzak> :)
[12:36] <farruinn> mellinux, n/m, ignore that part - use grubmanager :D
[12:36] <Aapzak> lol
[12:36] <mellinux> Hahaha, okay.
[12:37] <Aapzak> farruinn, grubmanager has to be started from CLI
[12:37] <mellinux> Hey now, leave me be. I've used Windows something or other for years, and I've decided to walk towards the light lately.
[12:37] <Aapzak> so I'm not sure :)
[12:37] <jesuel> mellinux: congrats. :)
[12:37] <Aapzak> mellinux, give it a try, but be really carefull during install
[12:38] <socomm> mellinux: If you see a light run like hell in the opposite direction.
[12:38] <Tzi> http://rafb.net/paste/results/I6VaGZ90.html
[12:38] <Tzi> That's the cups log..
[12:38] <mellinux> Yeah man. I installed Warty on an old PII laptop with <200MB of RAM and it worked fine, but I want to try it out on a 2Ghz+/1GB RAM machine.
[12:38] <farruinn> so has no one else has ever tried searching for a file by date created?
[12:38] <Aapzak> I mean for your windows install
[12:38] <jesuel> mellinux: warty or hoary with 2ghz / +1gb ram is just beautiful.
[12:39] <jesuel> It gives a new meaning to fast.
[12:39] <mellinux> So I've heard.. that's why I'm rediculously eager
[12:39] <mellinux> and I'm tired of Window's spy/ad/malware
[12:39] <mellinux> ..which sucks. Balls.
[12:39] <jesuel> mellinux: yah. Its really hard to stop that stuff from getting installed.
[12:39] <mellinux> Does Ubuntu support dual-montiors?
[12:39] <mellinux> Monitors... yay for engrish.
[12:39] <jesuel> mellinux: You can configure Dual monitors
[12:39] <Aapzak> windows spyware is the best thing that ever happened to linux :)
[12:40] <jesuel> Ive got a quad monitor setup @ work
[12:40] <farruinn> Aapzak, haha, that's going in my signature ;)
[12:40] <l0wrd> can anyone help me with a sound question?
[12:40] <mellinux> Hahahahaha good call man...
[12:40] <jesuel> Aapzak: damm straight.
[12:40] <toerli> how can i get x.org an ati fglrx running? i xorg-driver-fglrx etc... problem is that i need a xorg.conf in which i can set driver to "fglrx". how can i create such a xorg.conf? Xorg -configure didn't work for me
[12:40] <QMario> Where do I find the samba configuration file?
[12:40] <mellinux> I told someone to get Ad-aware 6 and Spybot for their PC one time, and I told them to go ahead and get Microsoft's anti-spyware program too
[12:41] <jesuel> toerli: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:41] <mellinux> the linux-user said, "Don't worry about all that, just get linux."
[12:41] <mellinux> wahahahaha
[12:41] <bob2> toerli: er, wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:41] <jesuel> mellinux: lol so true.
[12:41] <zenwhen> ANyone in here running an athlon64? if so what motherboard are you using, and is everything supported?
[12:42] <jesuel> bob2: btw. transparency. Answer is xcompmgr. Look it up :)
[12:42] <toerli> jesuel: there is no xorg.conf...there was a xorg.conf but that was only a copy of Xf86Config-4
[12:42] <bob2> jesuel: duh
[12:42] <jesuel> zenrox: a64 here.
[12:42] <bob2> jesuel: on Debian it's not possible
[12:42] <mellinux> Off tangent, I tried out Ubuntu on my Pentium II dinosaur of a laptop and I wound up preferring to boot up the laptop in the mornings instead of winXP 2Ghz+ and a gig of RAM... that says a lot.
[12:42] <bob2> jesuel: remember, you were bothering us in #debian
[12:42] <zenwhen> jesuel, what motherboard?
[12:42] <jesuel> asus uh....forget the model ..
[12:43] <zenwhen> I am shopping around for a good socket 754 a64 motherboard for use with ubuntu
[12:43] <jesuel> bob2: so possible in ubuntu, just not in debian.
[12:44] <mellinux> Is it possible to use an iPod with Ubuntu? I need something that enjoys working with AAC files without encoding them.. and while we're at it what the heck is OGG?
[12:44] <zenwhen> mellinux, I use a 266Mhz P2 laptop with hoary myself.
[12:44] <jesuel> zenwhen: got a friend using a shuttle socket 754 mobo. Works just peachy too.
[12:44] <bob2> jesuel: the distro is irelevant except insomuch ubuntu has x.org and Debian doesn't
[12:44] <socomm> mellinux: I don't know if any Open Source AAC de/encoders.
[12:44] <bob2> mellinux: ogg is a container format like avi
[12:45] <socomm> mellinux: Your best bet would be to go with MP3.
[12:45] <jesuel> bob2: oh, I see.
[12:45] <bob2> mellinux: vorbis is a Free and free lossy audio compression system, like mp3
[12:46] <mellinux> Yikes. All my music is in ACC format... time for research.
[12:46] <bob2> AAC is a terrible format to rip things to
[12:46] <mellinux> Why?
[12:46] <bob2> because it's proprietary
[12:46] <mellinux> I've got ~1.1K songs at 4 gigs.
[12:47] <bob2> you could do the same with any other codec
[12:47] <bob2> what happens if thet get anal about the patent?
[12:47] <bob2> you might not be able to play your music at all
[12:48] <mellinux> How big would a 4 minute song at 128kbps in OGG format run at?
[12:48] <bob2> um
[12:48] <bob2> think about it, dude
[12:48] <bob2> 4 * 60 * 128 * 1024
[12:48] <bob2> same as if it's AAC
[12:48] <bob2> or mp3
[12:48] <bob2> or wav
[12:49] <mellinux> Hm...
[12:49] <mellinux> So OGG doesn't crush it down any smaller?
[12:49] <bob2> dude
[12:49] <bob2> did you read what you wrote?
[12:49] <bob2> you're specifying the bit rate
[12:49] <bob2> the bit rate defines how big a file is for a certain length
[12:50] <Aapzak> true
[12:50] <bob2> "I want a 6 foot long piece of wood that's only 4 inches long"
[12:50] <mellinux> Wow, settle down.
[12:50] <Aapzak> also true
[12:50] <mellinux> Just wondering, I've never heard of OGG formats until today
[12:50] <bob2> I'm just trying to explain why your question makes no sense :)
[12:50] <l0wrd> where can i get some tech support?
[12:51] <Aapzak> listen bob2, I get the feeling mellinux is a new linux friend, so please be nice
[12:51] <farruinn> l0wrd, try asking a specific question
[12:51] <bob2> Aapzak: eh? no doubt.
[12:51] <l0wrd> farruinn, i have.  i dont have any sound, and i need to know how i can setup a sound card with Linux
[12:51] <l0wrd> farruinn, ive asked 5 times.
[12:51] <bob2> but it's not a linux question
[12:51] <bob2> l0wrd: ask on the mailing list
[12:52] <Aapzak> bob2, I know, but it's related to 'our' way of thinking
[12:52] <l0wrd> bob2, thanks for the offer.
[12:52] <mellinux> Hah, this reads like I'm entering a cult.
[12:52] <l0wrd> mellinux, you are.
[12:52] <asubedi> how to generate locales for another language?
[12:53] <Aapzak> well mellinux, some if us are concerned about open standard and free software
[12:53] <rtuck> mellinux: You mean you didn't shave your head when doing the install? ~_^
[12:53] <Aapzak> some of
[12:53] <Aapzak> :)
[12:53] <QMario> Is StoffBox-Steve still here?
[12:53] <QMario> If so, how do I share a printer over the network?
[12:53] <mellinux> Naw, man. I only buzzed it.
[12:54] <QMario> What does the ldd command do?
[12:54] <l0wrd> im missing the alsaconf command, where can i get it?  all of the ALSA packages installed tha im aware of.
[12:54] <Aapzak> I really do care about open standards and totally agree with bob2 on using ogg and not some other propreitary stuff
[12:54] <SiRrUs> rtuck I did were we not supposed to?
[12:54] <bob2> QMario: show which libraries a binary wants at runtime
[12:54] <desrt> ok.  usb woes are gone
[12:54] <l0wrd> desrt: hows you fix it?
[12:54] <desrt> i think one of the ubuntu kernel patches is crackrock
[12:54] <jesuel> heh, my head has been shaved for a few years now :)
[12:54] <desrt> i reverted back to my gentoo kernel and now it doesn't crash anymore
[12:55] <l0wrd> dest: what version?
[12:55] <cwillu> Segmentation faults on several programs, including synaptic, mozilla, nautilus, etc...  How do I begin to troubleshoot?
[12:55] <l0wrd> desrt: what version?
[12:55] <desrt> now using 2.6.11-rc4 ala gentoo
[12:55] <desrt> i also fixed my evo problems
[12:55] <desrt> really, the only thing that's left to fix is why the heck i have no sound
[12:55] <l0wrd> desrt: im gonna go back to 2.6.7 and compile alsa manually.
[12:55] <desrt> l0wrd; try installing ogg123
[12:55] <mellinux> Oh, I get where you're coming from, bob2. You'd prefer using free, open-source codecs because they're not patented/copyrighted, rather than because they sound better.
[12:55] <bob2> l0wrd: try a supported ubuntu kernel
[12:56] <desrt> see if you can play music directly or if it's a gstreamer problem
[12:56] <bob2> mellinux: vorbis certainly spanks mp3
[12:56] <bob2> mellinux: I'm not sure how it compares to AAC
[12:56] <l0wrd> bob2, whats what im usig now.
[12:56] <mellinux> vorbis... ?
[12:56] <bob2> mellinux: the codec you keep refering to as "ogg"
[12:56] <mellinux> Gotcha.
[12:56] <l0wrd> bob2, if you dont wanna help me out, please dont address me.
[12:56] <bob2> mellinux: ogg is a container, like avi.  vorbis is an audio codec.
[12:56] <desrt> bob; a couple of people have done surveyes that say ogg beats aac/mpeg4
[12:56] <bob2> l0wrd: whatever
[12:56] <rtuck> mellinux: The full name of the codec is ogg vorbis.
[12:56] <desrt> bob; but not by as wide of a margin as it beats mp3
[12:56] <bob2> desrt: ah, interesting
[12:56] <jesuel> between aac and ogg. I actually prefer ogg vorbis to aac for sound quality.
[12:57] <desrt> lemme see if i can find one
[12:57] <mellinux> It takes time to learn a completely new language; like in this case, linux.
[12:57] <mellinux> Ogg Vorbis? Is that somebody's name or what?
[12:57] <QMario> Does anyone know how to share a printer over a network?
[12:57] <resiak> mellinux: xiph.org
[12:57] <rtuck> mellinux: Hai, hai. Warkarimasen.
[12:57] <cwillu> Share with what clients?
[12:57] <QMario> Windows clients.
[12:58] <socomm> QMario: samba
[12:58] <cwillu> You'd need to setup/configure samba... this probably isn't the best place for help for that
[12:58] <dazed> hello all
[12:58] <QMario> Where can I get additional help?
[12:58] <jesuel> 'lo dazed
[12:58] <cwillu> The config should be about the same for any distro, so any samba faq's/tutorials you find should be simple to use
[12:58] <mellinux> rtuck, hablo solo un poco espaol, lo siento.
[12:58] <desrt> http://ff123.net/128test/interim.html
[12:58] <cwillu> google for share printer samba
[12:59] <QMario> Thank you cwilu.:)
[12:59] <cwillu> can anybody give me a hand figuring out why applications seem to close on their own/segfault?
[12:59] <jesuel> Which application(s)?
[01:00] <mellinux> Does Ubuntu work well with other computers on the same router/hub/switch?
[01:00] <bob2> mellinux: of course
[01:00] <mellinux> Dang, I meant winXP computers.
[01:00] <jesuel> mellinux: yeah.
[01:00] <cwillu> synaptic, mozilla, nautilus, to name a few
[01:00] <HiddenWolf> will a hardware raid of 2 sata disks on an nforce4 give me any problem as a main disk?
[01:00] <bob2> of course
[01:00] <mellinux> Multitasking here.
[01:00] <jesuel> mellinux: it works just peachy
[01:00] <bob2> HiddenWolf: it's not actually hardware RAID
[01:00] <mellinux> hmm.
[01:00] <desrt> sigh
[01:00] <desrt> i can't find the one i was looking at beforfe
[01:01] <desrt> it had nice graphs and everything
[01:01] <desrt> everyone seems to agree, though, that ogg beats out aac
[01:01] <l0wrd> HiddenWolf, probably cause nforce sucks
[01:01] <cwillu> I'm running hoary right now, but warty had the same problem;  I've already tried reinstalling
[01:01] <HiddenWolf> bob2: can I run a sata-raid on nforce4 for / ?
[01:01] <mellinux> You know what? I almost refuse to believe that people program this killer operating system with all these applications on it for FREE. It's mind-boggling.
[01:01] <jesuel> lol
[01:01] <Aapzak> :)
[01:01] <mellinux> Rock on.
[01:01] <mellinux> It just puts a smile on your face, you know?
[01:02] <Aapzak> business models are mostly based on selling support
[01:02] <jesuel> Its not thats its free, some people may have gotten paid for their development along the way from their employer or another way. And the Source code for that was developed as open source and made free as well
[01:02] <cwillu> and I have another (much different) machine which is running fine
[01:02] <error_29> I prefer ogg vorbis too; where the pain comes in however, is in having to convert all one's mp3s to that format
[01:02] <Aapzak> so the money comes from companies who buy support on an OS
[01:03] <desrt> http://music.tinfoil.net/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=660
[01:03] <desrt> here's another
[01:03] <desrt> the one i'm looking for had neat graphs with error bars on them
[01:03] <mjr> convertin mp3s to vorbis isn't really a good idea
[01:03] <desrt> if anyone finds it, plz let me know
[01:03] <jesuel> error_29: I just ripped my cd's to ogg instead of converting. No loss in quality then.
[01:03] <mjr> you lose quality twise
[01:03] <mjr> twice
[01:03] <Aapzak> ogg vorbis won't play in my carstereo, so I still have to settle for mp3
[01:03] <jesuel> Aapzak: ouch.
[01:04] <Aapzak> yes :(
[01:04] <jesuel> mine plays mp3's just fine, thank god
[01:04] <bryan> gnomebaker is working well :D
[01:04] <Aapzak> mine plays mp3, not ogg
[01:04] <jesuel> what headunit?
[01:04] <error_29> jesuel, yes.  But accumulated .mp3s... years' worth, ouch.
[01:04] <cwillu> :(
[01:04] <Aapzak> cheap clarion
[01:04] <metalsky> hey, i just installed Ubuntu for the first time last night -- could anyone here help me figure out how to get GCC working?
[01:04] <jesuel> error_29: about 600 cd's worth here.
[01:04] <bryan> flack > vorbis
[01:04] <bob2> metalsky: install build-essential
[01:04] <bryan> flac*
[01:04] <bob2> FLAC
[01:04] <zenwhen> sudo apt-get install build-essential
[01:04] <desrt> bryan; not even the same category
[01:05] <metalsky> thx
[01:05] <jesuel> Aapzak: alpine f1 here.
[01:05] <bob2> but FLAC has a different aim to vorbis
[01:05] <desrt> that's like saying wav > jpeg
[01:05] <bob2> well, TIFF > JPEG
[01:05] <Aapzak> FLAC = lossless
[01:05] <bryan> hardly, they're both audio
[01:05] <bob2> is a better analogy
[01:05] <socomm> FLAC = Ownage.
[01:05] <Aapzak> only 50% compression
[01:05] <metalsky> that did it, thanks guys :)
[01:05] <desrt> bob; i was trying to exagerate :)
[01:05] <cwillu> my turn?
[01:05] <HrdwrBoB> bob2: png > jpog
[01:05] <HrdwrBoB> jpg
[01:05] <zenwhen> What does one install in hoary to play dvd's I dont see libdvdcss
[01:05] <error_29> I love FLAC, but disk space isn't infinite...
[01:05] <zenwhen> ?
[01:06] <cwillu> because I could just stick with winxp if I didn't mind random application errors :p
[01:06] <Aapzak> error_29, my point exactly
[01:06] <zenwhen> I have universe and multiverse enabled
[01:06] <bryan> zenwhen:  gstreamer0.8-plugins
[01:06] <zenwhen> Oh
[01:06] <Aapzak> I still prefer xvid over dvd for that reason
[01:06] <jesuel> zenwhen: ubuntuguide.org, read under the alternate nerim.net rep's
[01:06] <zenwhen> its in gsreamer now
[01:06] <zenwhen> ?
[01:06] <bryan> sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins
[01:07] <jesuel> zenrox: libdvdcss2 is not included in any of the ubuntu rep's sadly.
[01:07] <cwillu> sudo apt-get install MakeSynapticEtAlStopCrashing
[01:07] <jesuel> err zenwhen ;p
[01:07] <bryan> cwillu:  what's the problem?
[01:08] <cwillu> On my other machine (a laptop), synaptic, mozilla, etc randomly close (one program complained of a seg fault don't know if it was related)
[01:08] <error_29> Something I can't understand with the licensing issues, is why my .avi files, made with xvid, are excluded from the "legal" release.  .xvid is open!
[01:08] <cwillu> I've had this issue on warty and hoary, even after a reinstall
[01:08] <cwillu> off a pressed cd or downloaded image
[01:08] <mellinux> Man, that old hard drive can't come soon enough.
[01:08] <bryan> i couldn't play dvd's on hoary untill i did the above command
[01:08] <error_29> I meant to say " why my .avi files won't play"...
[01:08] <bob2> zenwhen: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[01:09] <bob2> HiddenWolf: http://linux.yyz.us/sata/faq-sata-raid.html
[01:09] <The-Ghost|afk> "bash: sudu: command not found"  ????????????????????????????????????????????+
[01:09] <bob2> cwillu: possible you have bad ram/disk
[01:09] <bob2> The-Ghost|afk: "sudo"
[01:09] <cwillu> memtest came back clear
[01:09] <The-Ghost|afk> hehe
[01:09] <The-Ghost|afk> ops
[01:09] <The-Ghost|afk> aha
[01:09] <bob2> error_29: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[01:09] <The-Ghost|afk> thx.
[01:09] <bob2> error_29: xvid is Free Software, but uses patented technology
[01:09] <zenwhen> jesuel, does the nerim.net have just a few shady packages? I dont want to mix in a lot of unsupported non ubuntu packages
[01:09] <cwillu> and the scan disk associated with the partitioning when I did it came back clear as well (although I'll double check that)
[01:10] <HrdwrBoB> zenwhen: there is only a few packages there
[01:10] <zenwhen> ok
[01:10] <bob2> cwillu: you ran memtest86?
[01:10] <Aapzak> good question
[01:10] <jesuel> zenwhen: the link that bob2 posted owrks just as well
[01:10] <cwillu> yes
[01:10] <error_29> thanks bob2; i assume the culprit is divx, and they're having "de-opened" (?) er, closed the project...
[01:10] <jesuel> s/owrks/works
[01:10] <cwillu> I swear  by that program :)
[01:11] <error_29> shit, I can't type tonight.
[01:11] <sleeper> hi
[01:11] <jesuel> error_29: you either.
[01:11] <cwillu> and used bootitng for the partitioning (dual with an xp partition that i can't lose quite yet)
[01:11] <sleeper> i need one program similar to autocad
[01:11] <sleeper> who can i use?
[01:11] <Aapzak> cwillu, is your windows still stable?
[01:11] <cwillu> yse
[01:11] <cwillu> yes
[01:11] <bob2> error_29: no, mpeg-4 is heavily patented
[01:11] <bryan> i have a bunch of tv episodes in xvid from HR HDVT source and they play on hoary
[01:12] <socomm> sleeper: I hear that Microsoft has a wicked program called paint.
[01:12] <bob2> like, up the wazoo
[01:12] <bob2> another good reason to use Free codecs like ...
[01:12] <sleeper> windows?
[01:12] <bob2> Ogg Theora!
[01:12] <sleeper> i need for ubuntu
[01:12] <Aapzak> cwillu, maybe not the hardware then
[01:12] <cwillu> I'm doing development on xp, i.e., using all 512 megs of ram and most of the disk before I repartitioned
[01:12] <bob2> sleeper: qcad's the only Free one I know of
[01:12] <tritium> sleeper, perhaps qcad
[01:12] <bob2> sleeper: presumably autocad/etc have linux ports
[01:12] <bob2> since I'm pretty sure they all started on unix
[01:12] <jesuel> I *believe* there is a version of autocad direct from autodesk that is native or has linux binaries.
[01:12] <error_29> I didn't realize that,bob2. thanks for the info.
[01:12] <sleeper> ok
[01:12] <Aapzak> cwillu, too exotic hardware for Ubuntu?
[01:12] <sleeper> thx
[01:12] <sleeper> i will try
[01:13] <socomm> bob2: Now if only we can convince warez dudes to conver to open standards. :^)
[01:13] <cwillu> it's a 3 year old laptop;  I've had mandrake and redhat on it before with no issues other than no support for the modem and an initial xfree86 misconfig
[01:13] <rtuck> socomm: That's easy, just put the standards in a zip file with a password on it.
[01:13] <Aapzak> cwillu, P1?
[01:14] <cwillu> athlonxp2000
[01:14] <cwillu> 512meg, 40gig
[01:14] <Aapzak> pretty std hardware
[01:14] <eb0x> I'm having trouble with my sound .. i read somewhere that the problems with sound on ubuntu is turning a lot of people away.... how do I fix my sound,
[01:14] <eb0x> Ubuntu possibly isnt detecting my sound card or something
[01:14] <cwillu> just starting a surface scan on it to make sure, but I'm pretty sure its clear
[01:15] <Aapzak> cwillu, stability issues are the worst of all :(
[01:15] <cwillu> you're telling me :p
[01:15] <Aapzak> my workstation mobo died yesterday,
[01:16] <Aapzak> or power supply, not sure yet :(
[01:16] <psai_> has anybody experiance with slow nfs transfer speeds (hoary)
[01:16] <bob2> eb0x: no, I don't think it's a serious problem for many people
[01:16] <bob2> eb0x: do you have more than one sound card
[01:16] <bob2> ?
[01:16] <Aapzak> tried proc, mem and hd in other machine, no crashes. after placing everything back the damned thing does not even prduce video anymore
[01:16] <eb0x> no i dont
[01:16] <mellinux> A family friend's Dell just quit working a few months ago, I went over and everything looked in place, so I went and got a new power supply, plugged it in, and it worked. Dell said she had a virus and needed a new PC.
[01:16] <cwillu> is there a failsafe (i.e., 2.4 or something) kernel for ubuntu I could try?
[01:17] <HrdwrBoB> 2.4 is not recommended for ubuntu
[01:17] <cwillu> lol:  "had a virus" = "needs new pc"
[01:17] <mellinux> I hate Dell.
[01:17] <socomm> cwillu: Yes.
[01:17] <QMario> Why?
[01:17] <bob2> eb0x: on board card? tv card?
[01:17] <jesuel> mellinux: thats the wonder new technical support from india dell is using
[01:17] <cwillu> where would I get this?
[01:17] <eb0x> its inside my computer
[01:17] <socomm> cwillu: At boot press escape or something.
[01:17] <eb0x> Creative SoundBlaster LIVE! series
[01:17] <cwillu> failsafe kernel?
[01:17] <mellinux> Hahaha yeah man, yay for outsourcing jobs.
[01:17] <error_29> Oh man, what a pleasure to install RealPlayer in linux!  none of that crap that Real puts one through with Windows!
[01:17] <socomm> cwillu: Yes, it'll who up in a menu at boot.
[01:18] <error_29> (though I still hate Real)
[01:18] <cwillu> okay... the menu already comes up (dual boot with xp)
[01:18] <jesuel> mellinux: yep
[01:18] <cwillu> just gonna let the scan finish first
[01:18] <Aapzak> error_29, thats new since version 10, thatone really rocks!!
[01:18] <eb0x> I tried updating it from the site, but according to them [Creative]  there are no updates available for Linux
[01:18] <bob2> eb0x: ignore creative's site
[01:18] <mellinux> Those Dell commercials showing the nice, attractive, and young mid-20s female are so full of bullshit it makes my blood boil.
[01:19] <bob2> eb0x: what does 'lsmod | grep emu10k1' print?
[01:19] <mellinux> Not being racist here, but it's the truth.
[01:19] <jesuel> mellinux: lol yah
[01:19] <fr500> hello
[01:19] <error_29> Soundblaster Live should work fine ebOx
[01:19] <cwillu> if that works around it, are there any common workarounds for the 2.6 kernels from 2.4?
[01:19] <fr500> how can i ping several ip addresses? i want to load the addresses from a file
[01:19] <The-Ghost|afk> know what errors=remount means?? it's standing on hda1.
[01:19] <jesuel> I just pray everyday that my isp doesnt outsource support to india.
[01:19] <mellinux> I called them and they don't even help you, the only read out of a book that says, "Turn to page 25, part C if the customer answers 'yes.'"
[01:19] <jesuel> my old isp did, and they went to shit.
[01:20] <Aapzak> eb0x, that cards also supports hardware mixing, I'd say it;s one of the cards you'd want in your linux system
[01:20] <error_29> mellinux, I have to admit that the happy happy people in some of the ubuntu pics inexplicably annoy me too
[01:20] <eyequeue> The-Ghost|afk:  afk?
[01:20] <eb0x> eb0x@ubuntu:~ $ lsmod | grep emu10k1
[01:20] <eb0x> eb0x@ubuntu:~ $
[01:20] <desrt> ubuntu needs apt-get install i-dont-care-if-its-non-free-software-just-make-my-computer-work
[01:20] <mellinux> What was your old ISP, jesuel?
[01:20] <eyequeue> The-Ghost|afk:  in the case of errors remount
[01:20] <jesuel> old isp was sbc
[01:20] <The-Ghost|afk> eyequeue can i pm?
[01:20] <error_29> maybe 'cause I'm twice their age, and cranky about it ;(
[01:20] <eyequeue> k
[01:20] <mellinux> Hahahahah error_29, you mean the gay, shirtless Mr. Clean on the frontpage?
[01:20] <mellinux> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/login.jpeg
[01:20] <mellinux> He's on the bottom left
[01:21] <error_29> well, I'm glad you said it... :)
[01:21] <cwillu> he's holding on to two half-naked chicks... are you really sure he's gay?
[01:21] <mellinux> Oooh, good point.
[01:21] <jesuel> I moved into verizon territory, so now i have verizon. its the fios service. So i cant even get a reseller. I have to deal with verizon's support.
[01:21] <bob2> eb0x: sure it's a sb live?
[01:21] <mellinux> Hey, at least now we know that Ubuntu covers all its bases.
[01:21] <eb0x> I'm almost positive
[01:21] <eb0x> I went into Device Manager
[01:21] <mellinux> Gays, lesbians, and porn.
[01:21] <eb0x> And it had SB Live! in there
[01:21] <jesuel> lol mellinux
[01:21] <error_29> I mean, they really should stick some ugly old people in there too.  Or some kids
[01:21] <mellinux> What?
[01:21] <bob2> mellinux: please?
[01:21] <bob2> mellinux: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct
[01:22] <eb0x> But the card came with my computer
[01:22] <QMario> Can SWAT help me share printers easily?
[01:22] <error_29> This 20 something fetishism gets boring.  I don't care about the sexual prefs
[01:22] <bob2> eb0x: try 'sudo modprobe snd_emu10k1'
[01:22] <mellinux> Errr.. I have no idea what to say
[01:22] <mellinux> Sorry.
[01:22] <cwillu> qmario, xp clients mostly?
[01:22] <bob2> amen, error_29
[01:22] <QMario> Yes
[01:22] <Aapzak> won't lspci -v tell us exactly whats in eb0x' machine?
[01:22] <cwillu> cups is probably the easiest way then
[01:22] <QMario> How do I do that?
[01:23] <bob2> Aapzak: even lspci is enough
[01:23] <cwillu> ipp printing;  under xp you connect to the linux printer via local printer | url
[01:23] <eb0x> root@ubuntu:/home/eb0x # sudo modprobe snd_emu10k1
[01:23] <eb0x> root@ubuntu:/home/eb0x #
[01:23] <Aapzak> bob2, will it tell chipset info as well then?
[01:23] <error_29> seriously, I first heard about ubuntu because somebody was writing about how he set it up for his grandma.  I say, put grandma in an ubuntu t-shirt and get a testimonial.
[01:23] <QMario> It can't find the printer on the network.
[01:23] <bob2> Aapzak: it will show the pci id and name, which is usually enough
[01:23] <bryan> i'm a little late, but the guy on that login.jpg (among other ubuntu artwork) is the ugliest motherfucker i think i've ever seen
[01:24] <bob2> Aapzak: thanks for the reminder, I forgot about :)
[01:24] <eb0x> For the lspci
[01:24] <mellinux> Bleh, my grandmother has a Dell.
[01:24] <eb0x> It came back with 2 things
[01:24] <eb0x> well
[01:24] <bob2> bryan: thanks for the input
[01:24] <eb0x> more than 2
[01:24] <Aapzak> bob2, true, true
[01:24] <mellinux> I'm going to stick some more RAM in it.
[01:24] <eb0x> but 2 things pertaining to my sound card
[01:24] <eb0x> lol
[01:24] <mellinux> 128MB doesn't work too well with winXP
[01:24] <socomm> Dell hell.
[01:24] <Methias> hi guyts
[01:24] <jesuel> 128 with xp?
[01:24] <jesuel> omg
[01:24] <mellinux> Tell me about it.
[01:24] <Methias> listen i need help with application removal
[01:24] <jesuel> I couldnt even run 98 with 128
[01:24] <mellinux> The poor thing took forever to boot up AOL.
[01:24] <mellinux> Yes, she has AOL.
[01:24] <eb0x> bob2: http://nopaste.biz/?1222
[01:25] <jesuel> lol
[01:25] <Methias> are any of you familiar with editpad by JGSoft?
[01:25] <mellinux> I know, it's the cream of the crap
[01:25] <jesuel> oh yeah
[01:25] <jesuel> dialup right?
[01:25] <mellinux> but it's her only choice.
[01:25] <mellinux> Yeah..
[01:25] <bob2> Methias: if you installed something from outside ubuntu, it's best to talk to whoever made it for help
[01:25] <eb0x> 0000:02:02.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs [SB Live! Value]  EMU10k1X
[01:25] <eb0x> 0000:02:02.1 Input device controller: Creative Labs [SB Live! Value]  Input device controller
[01:25] <jesuel> 800x600 resolution or worse on a 14 or 15inch monitor too?
[01:25] <Aapzak> eb0x, thats a live! allright
[01:25] <mellinux> So does Hoary come out in early April, or have they not set a release date yet?
[01:25] <eb0x> ^_^
[01:25] <Methias> bob2:  well - canty i just remove the directory?
[01:26] <mellinux> No, it's 1024xwhatever but it's a small monitor
[01:26] <jesuel> mellinux: figures. Yuck
[01:26] <mellinux> and I'm going to perform some surgery on it next week, it's spring break so I have some extra time.
[01:26] <mellinux> Hang on just a second...
[01:26] <zbowling> the 2.6.10-4 kernel is broken for me
[01:27] <zbowling> kernel panic, can't mount vfs blah blah blah
[01:27] <bob2> mellinux: there's been a set release date since september
[01:27] <bob2> er, july, I guess
[01:27] <mellinux> Oh, what is it?
[01:27] <jesuel> I refuse to use anything less than a 17 inch monitor, except my laptop which is a 15.4 widescreen
[01:28] <Aapzak> which is nice
[01:28] <Aapzak> I have SXGA, nice as well
[01:28] <mellinux> Word, jesuel. I have a 17" CRT and a 17" LCD.
[01:28] <bob2> mellinux: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule
[01:28] <mellinux> Viewsonic and Sharp
[01:28] <jesuel> not sure what my laptop resolution is. actually
[01:28] <zbowling> just fyi.. i build my own kernels since they started moving things around in the 2.6.9+ tree for pcmcia and stuff and I need to keep my wifi card working. I have some orinoco/prism patches to allow for scanning/monitoring on 2.6 if you guys want to patch
[01:28] <jesuel> 1440x1050 is...
[01:28] <eb0x> bob2: Do you know what else I can do?
[01:28] <mellinux> they work nice paired, and I know one of both sounds odd, but the way I have my desk worked out makes the CRT + LCD work.
[01:29] <jesuel> really have no idea what that is classified as.
[01:29] <bob2> eb0x: what does 'lsmod | grep emu10' print now?
[01:29] <jesuel> crt+lcd? interesting
[01:29] <Aapzak> boys and girls, it has been a pleasure, but I have to work tomorrow, cu around, happy Ubuntu'ing!
[01:29] <error_29> I've got an old 20" mitsubishi crt; gorgeous for tv and dvds.  pain in the ass to move though.
[01:29] <eb0x> bob2: Resluts are at http://nopaste.biz/?1223
[01:29] <mellinux> Yeah, man.
[01:29] <mellinux> Later man, thanks for the help.
[01:30] <Aapzak> welcome ...
[01:30] <mellinux> Heh, error, mine is hard to move too.
[01:30] <jesuel> error_29: heh, my upstairs computer has a 22inch mitsubishi monitor on it. That thing just about broke my back when I last moved it.
[01:30] <bob2> eb0x: does "alsaplayer" or whatever work now?
[01:30] <mellinux> oof
[01:31] <error_29> like 70 pounds!  Only needed degaussing once.  Got it free as a bribe to keep me from murdering my old roommates cats.
[01:31] <jesuel> And the only person that uses that computer 99% of the time is my daughter
[01:31] <mellinux> I have a picture of my workspace on hardocp.com's forums, hang on a second.
[01:31] <eb0x> alsaplayer?
[01:31] <jesuel> lol error
[01:31] <eb0x> I dont know what that is
[01:31] <eb0x> But when I try to go into Volume Control or anything
[01:31] <eb0x> I get Sorry, no mixer elements and/or devices found
[01:32] <jesuel> Now if i can get my daughter to use linux ill be happy.
[01:32] <mellinux> What does it run on right now, and how old is she?
[01:32] <mellinux> I'll be damned if I can get my sister to use even Firefox
[01:32] <jesuel> her machine is a dual p3 1ghz with 2gb ram
[01:32] <QMario> When you change the configuration file, do you need to reboot the computer?
[01:32] <mellinux> much less any linux distro.
[01:33] <jesuel> its my old workstation.
[01:33] <mellinux> That rapes
[01:33] <error_29> heh, usually it's the kids trying to get mom and dad to run linux, isn't it?
[01:33] <jesuel> oh, she's 11 btw
[01:33] <sh1mmer> If I deselect xorg-common with apt will that remove gnome and all the run level 5 apps?
[01:33] <jesuel> lol error :)
[01:33] <bob2> mellinux: language please
[01:33] <mellinux> Haha, good point.
[01:33] <QMario> Does anyone know the answer to my previous question?
[01:33] <bob2> QMario: depends what config file it is
[01:33] <bob2> sh1mmer: no
[01:33] <QMario> SAMBA
[01:33] <bob2> QMario: then no, just restart samba
[01:33] <bob2> QMario: sudo invoke-rc.d samba restart
[01:34] <sh1mmer> bob2 any suggestions?
[01:34] <error_29> lol, mellinux.  I wish I could get my workplace to use firefox.  And the bastards keep nagging us about viruses and security!
[01:34] <bob2> sh1mmer: "run level 5 apps" is a redhat-ism, too
[01:34] <bob2> sh1mmer: if you mean "all programs which use xlibs", then remove xlibs itself
[01:35] <QMario> sudo invoke-rc.d samba restart
[01:35] <jesuel> hmm, I think im just gonna install linux on the upstairs computer. Its mine anyway. :)
[01:35] <jesuel> She only uses webbrowsing anyhow.
[01:35] <eb0x> meh
[01:35] <QMario> How do I know if my printer attached to my Linux computer is shared?
[01:35] <membreya> hmmm anyone else running the new clearlooks theme?
[01:35] <eb0x> i dont know what to do ;(
[01:35] <QMario> What does "meh" mean?
[01:35] <tritium> QMario, have you read through the docs in /usr/share/doc/cupsys ?
[01:35] <eb0x> i dunno its just a word
[01:36] <gilles> What is the filesystem used by ubuntu ?
[01:36] <jesuel> error_29: HAHAAH
[01:36] <bob2> gilles: ext3, by default
[01:36] <tritium> QMario, particularly, the README.Debian
[01:36] <bob2> you can of course use something else if you prefer
[01:36] <jesuel> error_29: dont forget to autohide the taskbar
[01:36] <bob2> eb0x: it should work now
[01:36] <error_29> yes, jesuel, could catch ! lol
[01:36] <cwillu> hey, um, exactly how was the failsafe mode supposed to help me trouble shoot x applications closing?
[01:37] <bob2> it won't
[01:37] <cwillu> thats what I thought :)
[01:37] <cwillu> so.... is there another kernel I can try then?
[01:37] <eb0x> it doesnt though :x
[01:37] <bob2> eb0x: ignore gnome
[01:37] <jdub> of course
[01:37] <error_29> believe me, nobody where i work knows how to use a right click menu, they'd never figure it out...
[01:37] <bob2> eb0x: try alsaplayer or such
[01:37] <jdub> if you use anything other than ext3
[01:37] <djst> just installed the preview release, seems to be working great
[01:37] <jdub> you are crazy :)
[01:37] <djst> tempted to switch from vidalinux
[01:37] <eb0x> I tried the sound thing
[01:39] <jesuel> 10mbit adsl?
[01:39] <Funraiser> yep
[01:39] <mjr> that'd be rate-limited adsl2 then?
[01:39] <jesuel> uhm... doesnt the protocol max out @ 8mbit download and 1mbit?
[01:39] <mjr> that's why
[01:39] <mjr> anyway, nice
[01:39] <bob2> jesuel: adsl2
[01:39] <jesuel> oh hum.
[01:40] <jesuel> ive got 15mbit download/2mbit upload fios from verizon
[01:40] <cafuego> bob2: What do you mean, pick one channel?
[01:40] <Funraiser> nice
[01:40] <bob2> cafuego: you're evil
[01:40] <Funraiser> only 256 up though
[01:40] <jesuel> that with a /29 ip block for 99 a month.
[01:40] <jesuel> im happy
[01:41] <mellinux> jeeze.
[01:41] <Funraiser> 29 a month here
[01:41] <jesuel> 29...
[01:41] <jesuel> thats cheap.
[01:41] <bob2> a /29 in .au costs you one of cafuego's arms
[01:41] <mellinux> I'm at 3.2mbit up/ .32mbit down
[01:41] <Funraiser> i know
[01:41] <jesuel> lol bob2
[01:41] <cwillu> can nobody give me any troubleshooting advice?
[01:41] <jesuel> a /29 is enough for me though
[01:42] <tritium> cwillu, for what?
[01:42] <cafuego> bob2: I got a free /29 with my permanent link from Connect.com.au - and they also gave me a /27 when I asked for one (free).
[01:42] <bob2> cwillu: I'd strongly suspect bad ram unless you ran memtest86 for a day
[01:42] <cwillu> applications close / segfault
[01:42] <jesuel> isp does offer 30mbit download/5mbit upload. but its 200 a month. too much.
[01:42] <cwillu> which I have
[01:42] <HrdwrBoB> haha we have a 20mb link
[01:42] <bob2> cafuego: for $5000/month
[01:42] <cwillu> and suffer no instability under xp under heavy laod
[01:42] <urik> hey
[01:42] <HrdwrBoB> we pay 30k/month
[01:42] <HrdwrBoB> or something like that
[01:42] <urik> anyone up for a quick q?
[01:42] <bob2> cwillu: is the kernel oopsing?
[01:43] <cwillu> ?
[01:43] <sh1mmer> don't make me hop on the uni's backbone
[01:43] <urik> is there any reason ubuntu wouldent boot streight into x on boot?
[01:43] <jesuel> 20mbit link 30k a month?
[01:43] <HrdwrBoB> urik: yes, lots
[01:43] <bob2> urik: if it couldn't configure X automatically
[01:43] <jesuel> omg thats alot.
[01:43] <bob2> jesuel: this is .au
[01:43] <jesuel> oh
[01:43] <HrdwrBoB> jesuel: welcome to australia
[01:43] <bob2> jesuel: bandwidth is expensive
[01:43] <cafuego> bob2: Nah, not $5000. $300.
[01:43] <Funraiser> plus bittorent only give you what...100 kB/s...
[01:43] <cwillu> oopsing?
[01:43] <bob2> well, commercial bandwidth
[01:43] <sh1mmer> I wish shdsl prices would drop in the uk
[01:43] <jesuel> bob2: oh i know bandwith is expensive ;p
[01:43] <bob2> residential stuff is pretty damn cheap
[01:43] <urik> x works perfectly when I type startx
[01:43] <urik> just not on booy
[01:43] <urik> boot*
[01:43] <bob2> urik: is it a default install
[01:43] <bob2> ?
[01:43] <HrdwrBoB> in the US, $3k/month will get you 100mbit and 3-4 racks
[01:44] <urik> yes
[01:44] <bob2> cwillu: paste the output of dmesg to #flood
[01:44] <jesuel> HrdwrBoB: yup.
[01:44] <urik> just installed it onto my laptop
[01:44] <Slaven> graphical frontends for mysql?
[01:44] <Slaven> preferably qt
[01:44] <HrdwrBoB> Slaven: mysqlcc
[01:44] <HrdwrBoB> is in qt
[01:44] <Slaven> but gtk2 is nice too
[01:44] <cwillu> hmm
[01:44] <cwillu> that neccesitates copying it over from the machine... one sec
[01:44] <Funraiser> 100 mega for 30$/month in US?
[01:44] <Slaven> HrdqrBoB: Nice. Thanks.
[01:44] <HrdwrBoB> Funraiser: $3000
[01:45] <Funraiser> oh
[01:45] <jesuel> 100mbit for 30 a month? uhm. doubtful.
[01:45] <HrdwrBoB> k = 1000
[01:45] <HrdwrBoB> or 1024 if you're talking about data
[01:45] <Funraiser> yeah but i sounded too expensive
[01:45] <HrdwrBoB> .. too expensive
[01:45] <HrdwrBoB> for colocation, 100mbit unlimited and four racks?
[01:46] <Funraiser> in france u get 20mega down , 1 mega up for 29/month
[01:46] <jesuel> 100mbit unlimited + 4 racks? around 3k?... if you can get it. thats a good deal
[01:46] <QMario> Why is it so hard just to share a printer over a network?
[01:46] <HrdwrBoB> Funraiser: that's not commercial bandwidth.
[01:46] <jesuel> Funraiser: and if you use your connection real heavily. Your isp will kill your account i bet.
[01:47] <bob2> QMario: it's not
[01:47] <HrdwrBoB> Funraiser: that's also 1% of the upload speed
[01:47] <QMario> Do you know how?
[01:47] <scorpix_> how can i make a new partition to install another OS next to ubuntu ?
[01:47] <HrdwrBoB> but anyway, I'm shutup now, it's offtopic
[01:47] <bob2> QMario: yes
[01:48] <cwillu> flooded
[01:48] <Funraiser> and free calls too
[01:48] <bob2> scorpix_: do you have free space on the disk?
[01:48] <bob2> cwillu: you pasted five lines
[01:48] <cwillu> bob2:... it's been flooded to #flood
[01:48] <bob2> then your client went away
[01:49] <scorpix_> bob2: yea, its 80GB
[01:49] <cwillu> hmm
[01:49] <bob2> put it on a website or get a better client
[01:49] <cwillu> :p
[01:49] <cwillu> one sec
[01:49] <jesuel> hrm, Max  In:  	16262.0 kB/s  /  Max  Out:  	2326.8 kB/s
[01:49] <Funraiser> not bad
[01:49] <warty> is this ubuntu chatroom?
[01:49] <Funraiser> lol
[01:50] <bob2> channel, yes
[01:50] <warty> channel..
[01:50] <warty> just trying my ubuntu live cd
[01:50] <warty> just received it yesterday..
[01:50] <cwillu> http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?action=edit&id=WilliamUnderwood
[01:50] <warty> warty
[01:50] <cwillu> at the bottom
[01:51] <mellinux> Does Ubuntu Live works off of the RAM only?
[01:52] <error_29> can anybody advise me about these specs for an hp laptop I'm thinking of getting tomorrow:
[01:52] <error_29> Athlon 64 Processor 3000+ , nVIDIA GeForce 4 440
[01:52] <cwillu> bob2:  you got that?
[01:53] <error_29> I keep reading about issues with nVIDIA and amd64... so I'm a little wary
[01:53] <LinuxJones> error_29, I advise you to send it directly to me
[01:53] <jesuel> error_29: should be speedy. :)
[01:53] <jesuel> error_29: my laptop is amd64 3000+ and ati radeon 9600
[01:53] <error_29> alright, I'm sold!
[01:54] <jesuel> how much ya payin?
[01:54] <QMario> Is bob2 still here?
[01:54] <cwillu> I hope so :)
[01:54] <mellinux> error, what issues did you hear about nVidia and AMD64s?
[01:54] <jgeorgeson> anyone know how much is required on a fresh install (of the latest hoary) to support a cisco aironet 340 pcmcia card?
[01:54] <jesuel> error_29: just stop smokin.
[01:54] <error_29> about 1100 bucks, 60 gig drive, 512 ram
[01:55] <jesuel> error_29: ouch.
[01:55] <error_29> wide screen.  I'll bet the battery sucks.  They all do.
[01:55] <jesuel> and here ive been having problems trying to sell my laptop for 900 lol.
[01:55] <jesuel> and ive got more ram than that too.
[01:55] <jesuel> Its new right?
[01:55] <mellinux> Batteries are the lowest common denominator in terms of technological progress.
[01:55] <error_29> yep
[01:56] <bob2> cwillu: yeah
[01:56] <bob2> cwillu: that's fro mthe segfaulty machine?
[01:56] <bob2> QMario: yes
[01:56] <cwillu> yse
[01:56] <cwillu> yse
[01:56] <bob2> cwillu: very odd then
[01:56] <cwillu> bah
[01:56] <cwillu> _yes_
[01:56] <bob2> cwillu: try filing a bug, I guess
[01:56] <cwillu> :p
[01:56] <cwillu> ubuntu or elsewhere?
[01:56] <mellinux> It's a shame too, because they've been around the longest.
[01:56] <error_29> I'm hoping for fuel-cell laptop energy sources.  Then maybe I can inhale fumes from the machine, instead of a cigarette
[01:57] <Teal`c> anybody know the root password on the livecd distro ? (gnome 2.10 cd)
[01:57] <LinuxJones> Teal`c, try sudo -s in console
[01:57] <ikama> hi
[01:57] <error_29> seriously, I'm not letting myself in for hell with amd 64, and nvidia graphics?
[01:58] <Funraiser> what kind of nvidia Gforce 4 Mx 440?
[01:58] <mellinux> I just found a 5-inch floppy disc.
[01:58] <mellinux> Woooooow.
[01:58] <jesuel> wow
[01:58] <ikama> anybody does know how i connect belkin bluetooth dongle with udev and hal
[01:58] <mellinux> Holy smokers, it bends.
[01:58] <jesuel> Heh, i dont have a 3.5's let alone 5 1/4's
[01:58] <error_29> GeForce 4 440 Go with 64MB of RAM
[01:58] <ikama> with hotplug i know it
[01:58] <Funraiser> generic one?
[01:58] <jesuel> Ive not even had a floppy drive in a computer in the last 3 years.
[01:59] <Methias> linux cant use ttf fonts can it?
[01:59] <Funraiser> asus/leadtek?
[01:59] <Methias> how do i get ttf fonts towork in ubuntu?
[01:59] <ikama> there have to be an firmware upload to the dongle
[01:59] <mellinux> I used to keep them for Word documents for school papers, but then this little thing called Gmail came along..
[01:59] <tritium> error_29, I've got GeForce 4 440 Go, 64 MB.  Absolutely no problems in i386.  Don't know about amd64
[01:59] <cwillu> metias, there's a batch of ms fonts available if that's what you want
[01:59] <bob2> cwillu: ubuntu
[02:00] <error_29> heh, mellinux, that's funny.  I just set up a friend with gmail, so he'd stop saving all his work on floppies.
[02:00] <jesuel> lol
[02:00] <cwillu> thx
[02:00] <tritium> Methias, they already work
[02:00] <jesuel> I save all my stuff on a usb key.
[02:00] <ions> I just upgraded to hoary and I can't find Synaptic in the menu
[02:00] <mellinux> Well, you can't lose Gmail, so I decided against the USB jumpdrives.
[02:01] <jesuel> Well my usb key is also a mp3 player so I dont really forget about retreiving it :)
[02:02] <mellinux> Hah, that's a little different.
[02:02] <mellinux> I have all my videos backed up on my iPod.
[02:02] <jesuel> 512mb :)
[02:02] <Niomi_> hello :D
[02:02] <error_29> ions, systems_administration
[02:02] <ions> nm, I just had to install it again for some reason
[02:02] <mellinux> howdy
[02:02] <ions> it wasn't there error_29
[02:02] <Methias> wait
[02:02] <Methias> so
[02:02] <gumpish> What does Ubuntu have that's equivalent to sar? http://bama.ua.edu/cgi-bin/man-cgi?sar+1
[02:02] <ions> I'm not the only one it's happened to
[02:02] <Methias> i can use ttf font files in linux?
[02:02] <ions> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=11899&highlight=synaptic+disappeared
[02:02] <Methias> are you shitting me?
[02:02] <mjr> Methias, yes
[02:02] <Methias> okay how
[02:02] <Methias> how how how
[02:02] <mjr> in fact, nowadays your default fonts are probably ttf
[02:03] <mjr> per-user, just put them in your ~/.fonts directory
[02:03] <Methias> what is ~?
[02:03] <mjr> that'll take care of apps using fontconfig
[02:03] <mjr> sadly, eg. openoffice.org isn't one of them and needs extra tweaking
[02:03] <mjr> home
[02:04] <mjr> or, just open fonts:/// in nautilus and drag the fonts there if you didn't get the first instructions
[02:04] <Methias> i dont have a ./fonts directory in my home
[02:04] <mjr> (actually, one / extra, but it doesn't matter)
[02:04] <ikama> error_29???
[02:05] <bob2> gumpish: isn't it "sar" in the acct package?
[02:05] <ikama> how can I configure BELKIN Bluetooth USB dongle with hal and udev
[02:06] <K-Rich> Why is wxpython not in synaptic?
[02:06] <error_29> ikama, ? hunh?
[02:06] <ikama> pardon me?????
[02:06] <Gfault> hi, gone back
[02:07] <error_29> oh, tritium, thanks for responding.  i missed your remark above.  (weird colors in xchat are making me blind...)
[02:07] <tritium> error_29, no problem :)
[02:07] <gumpish> bob2: I just installed the "acct" package and apparently sar was not included.
[02:07] <tritium> K-Rich, it's in universe
[02:07] <rever> Hi I get this error when trying to install locales .....  ISO-8859-1...cannot open locale definition file 'en': No such file or directory
[02:08] <ikama> ok anybody can tell me the procedure to connect usb dongle with the hal system
[02:08] <K-Rich> tritium: for Warty ?
[02:08] <tritium> K-Rich, no, Hoary
[02:08] <bob2> gumpish: guess it's not in ubuntu
[02:08] <bob2> ikama: hal has nothing to do with it
[02:08] <mjr> ikama, I don't think hal has much to do it
[02:08] <mjr> echo
[02:09] <bob2> ikama: does linux support the dongle at all?
[02:09] <ikama> yes !!!
[02:09] <K-Rich> tritium: ugh, i need it on warty :/
[02:09] <bob2> ikama: then plugging it in should be enough
[02:09] <mjr> install bluez-utils and make sure they're started (from /etc/init.d/bluez-utils)
[02:09] <ikama> I already have put BCM203X to /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware/
[02:09] <gumpish> =(
[02:10] <ikama> in mepis it works
[02:10] <bluefoxicy> wadap wadap
[02:10] <ikama> in mandrake also
[02:10] <bluefoxicy> where is open office 2
[02:10] <bluefoxicy> OO1 sucks.
[02:10] <ikama> but with the udev and hal system I think there is an other procedure
[02:10] <bob2> bluefoxicy: apt-cache search openoffice | grep 2
[02:11] <bob2> ikama: no
[02:11] <bob2> ikama: look at the /var/log/messages after you plug it in
[02:12] <rever> Can someone tell me what I am missing or what I need to install or is there an article or howto I can look at.
[02:13] <jesuel> oh well, time to go home. See yall later on
[02:13] <tritium> bluefoxicy, openoffice.org2 isn't working as well as 1.1.4 (e.g. .doc files with tables open with empty tables)
[02:13] <nixnewblet> evening guys
[02:13] <bluefoxicy> tritium:  ah, is the rtf filter as broken as in OO1?
[02:13] <tritium> bluefoxicy, I don't know about that.  I just tried opening a .doc with tables in both, and it only displays in 1
[02:14] <bluefoxicy> tremor:  when I used 1.1.2 and earlier, RTF headers from AbiWord and MS Word were dropped; RTF would be exported from OO with styles applied (rather than saved as styles, like MSWord and AbiWord do it); and margins on RTF were completely ignored (MSand ABI Word see 0.75 inch, OOo shows 1.25 inch)
[02:14] <tritium> I only use openoffice to view things.  I use LaTeX for authoring.
[02:14] <bluefoxicy> and I hate OOo's UI
[02:15] <bluefoxicy> tritium:  Unfortunately Agnubis is like, prealpha
[02:15] <bluefoxicy> and Koffice is ass.
[02:15] <bluefoxicy> so OOImpress is the only presentation software that's any good here
[02:15] <QMario> How do I run web pages using Terminal?
[02:15] <tritium> bluefoxicy, I used latex-beamer for presentations
[02:15] <QMario> In Linux. :)
[02:15] <bob2> QMario: "run"? you mean "view"?
[02:15] <bob2> bluefoxicy: prosper or magicpoint.
[02:16] <bluefoxicy> tritium:  will it save in powerpoint or sxi format?
[02:16] <QMario> Yes
[02:16] <tritium> bluefoxicy, no, .pdf
[02:16] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  magicpoint's nonexistant ui is ass :)
[02:16] <bob2> boo hoo
[02:16] <QMario> Is that comment for me, bob2?
[02:17] <tritium> bob2, I liked prosper until I came across latex-beamer
[02:17] <bob2> nope
[02:17] <bob2> tritium: hm, I'll have to give it a go
[02:17] <bob2> bluefoxicy: er
[02:17] <tritium> bob2, yeah, you may like it too :)
[02:17] <bluefoxicy> eh.
[02:17] <bob2> bluefoxicy: maybe you should have read the documentation to know how it works?
[02:17] <QMario> Then how do I view a web page using Terminal?
[02:17] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  I want to do stuff, not read docs.  Laziness you know
[02:18] <bob2> QMario: links, lynx or w3m.
[02:18] <tritium> bluefoxicy, will pdf output work for you?
[02:18] <bluefoxicy> tritium:  I was looking for actual presentation delivery, transitions and all, fullscreen
[02:18] <bluefoxicy> things that won't detract people from the content
[02:18] <QMario> Links, such as localhost:631/printers
[02:19] <tritium> bluefoxicy, it's got transitions, and fullscreen is no problem
[02:19] <bluefoxicy> people are pretty much used to the pageflipping and all yb now, but a PDF presentation brings thoughts of "Wow this is really shoddy"  "why isn't he using powerpoint" "did he say something on the last slide?"
[02:19] <bluefoxicy> tritium:  Transitions happen in xpdf?
[02:19] <bob2> QMario: no
[02:19] <bob2> bluefoxicy: yes
[02:19] <bluefoxicy> wow
[02:19] <bluefoxicy> htf does that work o.o
[02:20] <bob2> bluefoxicy: er, the people you're presenting to suck then
[02:20] <tritium> bluefoxicy, view some of his example presentations:  http://latex-beamer.sourceforge.net/
[02:20] <bluefoxicy> *shrug* I'll look into those later, latex beamer and prosper?
[02:20] <QMario> Then how do I view to http://localhost:631/printer in Terminal?
[02:20] <desrt> Upstream Author: Jeff Waugh <jeff.waugh@canonical.com>
[02:20] <bob2> when I see OO or powerpoint presentation, I think "wow, what a waste of time"
[02:21] <QMario> I am just asking for the commands. :(
[02:21] <bob2> QMario: links http://localhost:631/printer
[02:21] <bob2> as I said
[02:21] <bob2> and don't be so whiney when people are helping you
[02:21] <QMario> I was just joking about the ":)"
[02:22] <QMario> I meant the ":("
[02:22] <QMario> I didn't mean to put the ":("
[02:22] <QMario> Heh
[02:22] <bluefoxicy> tritium:  I'm not seeing transitions using xpdf for http://latex-beamer.sourceforge.net/beamerexample1.pdf
[02:23] <Funraiser> nice pdf here http://latex-beamer.sourceforge.net/beamerexample1.pdf
[02:24] <tritium> bluefoxicy, pdf defines slide transitions.  Read the latex-beamer manual for more info
[02:24] <bluefoxicy> if I can find it
[02:25] <QMario> Links does not work, bob2.
[02:25] <Tricker> hmm
[02:25] <bluefoxicy> tritium:  the home page makes it look like it's language based instead of WYSIWYG based
[02:25] <Tricker> how to mount a vfat partition so all users can read all files in it????
[02:25] <Slaven> Hm. I can't get the mod_python package to work properly.
[02:25] <tritium> bluefoxicy, of course.  It's LaTeX
[02:25] <Funraiser> bob2 you are saying pdf does the same job as powerpoint but faster?
[02:25] <tritium> you can try it in LyX, if you want to
[02:25] <jason_> hello, world
[02:25] <Slaven> It works fine, until I add "index.psp" to the list of index page names. Then all pages give "internal server error".
[02:26] <Tricker> ?
[02:26] <bluefoxicy> tritium:  instantly not interested. . . I know html, xhtml, xml, xslt, C, C++, Objective-C, 6502 assembly, some 286 assembly, TCL/TK, perl, Java Script . . I don't feel like learning another language just to spend hours defining a document o.o
[02:26] <jason_> i am trying to edit my boot configuration, so i can boot both linux AND windows.  Can someone tel me why I cannot find my grub.conf file?  Is it something I must download?
[02:26] <tritium> bluefoxicy, too bad...
[02:27] <tritium> LaTeX produces unrivaled output, particularly mathematics
[02:27] <dazed> whats everyone up to tonight
[02:27] <Tricker> :(
[02:27] <eyequeue> jason_:  /boot/grub/menu.lst
[02:27] <BROKEN_LADDER> when i plug in a device, it gets a dmesg entry.  so why is there not some automount system that is called by the same processes responsible, and does not have to poll?
[02:27] <BROKEN_LADDER> anyone know the answer to this?
[02:27] <Tricker> traying to get my hdd's working
[02:27] <bluefoxicy> tritium:  more of an issue to me is that this is a common application though, and most people who want to define presentations don't want to do it with a language.  I don't need to flex my muscles showing how l33t I am by doing it the hard way :p
[02:27] <bob2> QMario: then lynx
[02:27] <bluefoxicy> right tool for the right job and all
[02:27] <DazeD||laptop> i dunno dazed what are u up to
[02:28] <dazed> lol \)
[02:28] <daniels> BROKEN_LADDER: there is a system that does that, and it generally works.
[02:28] <jason_> eyequeu: can i edit it with NANO, or is there something better?
[02:28] <bob2> Funraiser: I'm saying pdf for presentations is preferable in my opinion
[02:28] <tritium> bluefoxicy, exactly, and with the mathematics I need, wysiwyg presentation tools like powerpoint don't cut it at all
[02:28] <daniels> BROKEN_LADDER: if it's broken, i'm sorry to hear that, but there are better ways to get help than by coming in here and complaining that it doesn't exist
[02:28] <bluefoxicy> tritium:  that's you though :)
[02:28] <eyequeue> jason_:  nano will work fine for that :)
[02:28] <bluefoxicy> tritium: http://usrbac.sourceforge.net/misc/sec_presentation.sxi
[02:28] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm not claiming anything.
[02:28] <Funraiser> just asking
[02:28] <kapputu> hi guys
[02:28] <BROKEN_LADDER> but i was told that autofs is a hack.
[02:28] <bluefoxicy> tritium:  I'm gonna present that at BaltoLug on thursday
[02:29] <jason_> eyequeu: thx bro
[02:29] <eyequeue> jason_:  "better" will get you countless opinions on the best text editor :)
[02:29] <kapputu> quick question - how stable is hoary
[02:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> daniels:  what other system is there?
[02:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> kapputu:  i use it with no real problems.
[02:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> oh, but gstreamer doesn't work now.
[02:29] <kapputu> also has anyone installed gnome 2.1?
[02:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> 2.1?
[02:29] <kapputu> I mean 2.10
[02:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> oh..lol.
[02:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> i think i have one sec.
[02:29] <daniels> BROKEN_LADDER: 'so why is there not some automount system that is called by the same processes responsible'
[02:29] <bluefoxicy> tritium:  I think my bf might like latex though, I know he's into bondage and candle wax and stuff
[02:30] <BROKEN_LADDER> daniels:  that's my question ys.
[02:30] <hazmat> all of a sudden i'm having 2 major issues with hoary.. first starting up gnome has started taking absurd amounts of time before getting to a desktop on the order of 10minutes, and localhost doesn't seem to be operational.. offhand do these sound familiar to anyone?
[02:30] <BROKEN_LADDER> yes
[02:30] <BROKEN_LADDER> daniels:  do you know of one?
[02:30] <QMario> Who is running Hoary Hedgehog?
[02:30] <BROKEN_LADDER> me
[02:30] <cwillu> bob2:  I'm not sure, but I think the livecd works fine
[02:30] <BROKEN_LADDER> daniels:  you are probably talking about hal
[02:30] <bluefoxicy> * daniels' kernel panics
[02:30] <daniels> BROKEN_LADDER: yes, the one that's been in both Warty and Hoary
[02:30] <tritium> bluefoxicy, that would be easy to put into latex-beamer.  What is it you want me to see?
[02:30] <kapputu> \\\
[02:30] <bluefoxicy> tritium:  *shrug* It'd be easy for you, but I'd have to lear the language to do it, and it'd be lots of typing instead of drag-and-drop for no real gain
[02:30] <BROKEN_LADDER> hal, last i checked, can't work for multiple users logged in simultaneously.
[02:31] <BROKEN_LADDER> that's a seriously flaw imo.
[02:31] <BROKEN_LADDER> it should have nothing to do with users being logged in.
[02:31] <knucks> anyone here have an ipod + linux?
[02:31] <bluefoxicy> daniels:  how can you just pull the thumb drive
[02:31] <poyayan> anyone know if there are any advantages of having the libgnome2-perl package for installing packages?
[02:31] <BROKEN_LADDER> i wouldn't buy an ipod if you paid me.
[02:31] <bluefoxicy> doesn't it have to be unmounted first
[02:31] <BROKEN_LADDER> it doesn't play vorbis.
[02:31] <daniels> bluefoxicy: er, it gets unmounted as it's suddenly a dead device
[02:31] <hazmat> doh the localhost issue was my fault
[02:31] <bluefoxicy> won't you corrupt it due to the deferred writes, or something
[02:31] <jdub> poyayan: you get graphical config windows during install if required
[02:31] <hazmat> knucks, yes, i use it with ubuntu sa well
[02:31] <knucks> hazmat, how did u set it up?
[02:31] <Funraiser> knucks your printer works?
[02:31] <hazmat> knucks, firewire, sbp2 module, and gtkpod
[02:32] <knucks> Funraiser: yeah somehow it worked
[02:32] <knucks> hazmat...links to this stuff? info?
[02:32] <hazmat> knucks, basically i plugged it in and it mostly works, i had to manually mount it
[02:32] <poyayan> how often do that occur jdub?  would you suggest I install it?
[02:32] <tritium> bluefoxicy, just giving you suggestions, like you asked for
[02:32] <bluefoxicy> daniels:  in 2.6.10, pulling a compact flash reader/card while it's mounted panics the kernel, according to some lkml post I read a few months back.
[02:32] <bluefoxicy> tritium:  *nod*
[02:32] <knucks> hazmat, can you run nme through that?
[02:32] <daniels> bluefoxicy: *shrug*, works ok for me
[02:32] <jdub> poyayan: your call
[02:32] <hazmat> knucks, sure
[02:32] <knucks> ok
[02:32] <BROKEN_LADDER> oh yeah..i _am_ using gnome 2.10.  seems cool.
[02:32] <bluefoxicy> tritium:  I was more focused on end user friendly suggestions though ;)  I'm not a nukular physicist after all.
[02:32] <QMario> How do I share the printer with samba?
[02:32] <poyayan> hmm
[02:32] <cwillu> 2.6.8-2.6.10 warty/hoary applications in general crash... live cd seems to work fine though, and the harddrive surface scan is clear
[02:33] <hazmat> knucks, are you connecting via firewire?
[02:33] <bluefoxicy> tritium:  I'll keep looking though, thanks
[02:33] <knucks> yeah
[02:33] <tritium> bluefoxicy, LaTeX is not rocket science ;)
[02:33] <BROKEN_LADDER> crash? no crash problems here.
[02:33] <bluefoxicy> tritium:  no, latex is coding, lots of typing, and made to write rocket science with
[02:33] <hazmat> knucks, is it a recent ipod make? ie what generation?
[02:33] <knucks> its a 15gb one..
[02:33] <hazmat> knucks, the old windows ones were formatted differently
[02:33] <sh1mmer> is there any way I can use apt-get to uninstall everything that depends on say x-windows-system-core to remove all the xlibs stuff?
[02:33] <knucks> so..3rd generatioin i gues
[02:33] <hazmat> knucks, have you used it with a mac ?
[02:33] <shadeofgrey> okay guys i still need help with fonts
[02:34] <bluefoxicy> tritium:  in other news, my computer can deepthroat now, or at least it can swallow OOImpress in 3 seconds start-up time.
[02:34] <knucks> i dont think so
[02:34] <kapputu> ok if I find hoary unstable can I revert back to warty?
[02:34] <knucks> i bought it from a guy on ebay..but i think he used windows
[02:34] <tritium> bluefoxicy, interesting description
[02:34] <kapputu> what's the equivalent of modconf in ubuntu
[02:34] <kapputu> modprobe?
[02:34] <shadeofgrey> i copied all my windows fonts to the main fonts folder in ubuntu
[02:35] <hazmat> knucks, hmm... your probably best off looking at the gtkpod.sf.net docs or googling linux ipod... mine and most new ones are formatted hfs+ but if you have an fat formatted ipod there are differences
[02:35] <poyayan> thanks for the info jdub
[02:35] <shadeofgrey> but none of the one s i added are coming up in the font selections which seem to be limited to a very small numbver of fonts
[02:35] <quarupt> anyone know a way to play real audio with AMD64 i386 bin doesnt work?
[02:35] <knucks> ok thx hazmat
[02:35] <hazmat> knucks, on hoary, all i did was plug it in.. no manual work required.. it just pops up on the desktop
[02:36] <Funraiser> no it doesn't quarupt
[02:36] <shadeofgrey> so where would the basic sys fonts for ubuntu be stored?
[02:36] <hazmat> pretty cool actually
[02:36] <knucks> hm really?
[02:36] <tritium> watching the O.C. just to see the Star Wars trailer is simply not worth it
[02:36] <knucks> cuz im on hoary and so far nothing
[02:36] <quarupt> Funraiser, so is there an alterniatave?
[02:36] <shadeofgrey> you can go download the trailer
[02:36] <tritium> exactly
[02:36] <shadeofgrey> www.starwars.com
[02:36] <Funraiser> i've heard it doesn't work, haven't investigate
[02:36] <shadeofgrey> duh
[02:36] <cwillu> <-- hopes that maybe a newer kernel will work, because he can't find an older one to try via synaptic
[02:36] <kapputu> is there a way to revert back to hoary?
[02:36] <hazmat> knucks, try a dmesg and see what kinda of output you get.. i used to manually mount and have this entry in /etc/fstab /dev/sda       /media/firewire0 hfsplus defaults,noauto,user       0      0
[02:36] <bluefoxicy> +ok
[02:36] <cwillu> <-- hopes that synaptic doesn't crash while _downloading_ said kernel
[02:36] <bluefoxicy> OOImpress 2 has a much better UI
[02:37] <knucks> k
[02:37] <bluefoxicy> but it handles sxi OpenOffice 1.1 presentations horridly
[02:37] <shadeofgrey> what is OOImpress 2?
[02:37] <bluefoxicy> shadeofgrey:  openoffice 2
[02:37] <knucks> hazmat, what should i look for?
[02:37] <shadeofgrey> is it out???
[02:37] <mikep_> what is the version# for hoary?
[02:37] <bluefoxicy>  /var/cache/apt/archives/language-pack-en-base_20050308_all.deb
[02:37] <bluefoxicy> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[02:37] <Amaranth> whoops
[02:37] <bluefoxicy> that package refuses to go in
[02:38] <cwillu> work! work! work!
[02:38] <cwillu> down with crashing! down with crashing!
[02:38] <kapputu> hullo anyone around?
[02:38] <kapputu> I have a few questions
[02:38] <tritium> mikep_, 5.04
[02:38] <kapputu> please don't turn away an eager Ubuntu user
[02:38] <cwillu> what did you nee?
[02:38] <cwillu> d
[02:38] <cwillu> ?
[02:39] <Funraiser> go ahead kapputu everybody's listenning
[02:39] <tritium> kapputu, nobody is turning you away
[02:39] <shadeofgrey> can somebody please help me with my fonts issues
[02:39] <mikep_> does "dist-upgrade" upgrade from warty to hoary?
[02:39] <cwillu> shadeofgrey, what are trying to do?
[02:39] <shadeofgrey> i have a 300 page manuscript to get in by next thursday and if i have to look at that godforsaken courier system font the whole way ill kill myself for sure
[02:39] <cwillu> only if you have the hoary repo turned on
[02:39] <cwillu> what prog?
[02:40] <shadeofgrey> cwillu: i downloaded a full copy of editpadpro
[02:40] <shadeofgrey> 5
[02:40] <shadeofgrey> by JGSoft
[02:40] <shadeofgrey> i a=lso copied over all my .ttf fonts to the fonts:/// area in nautilus
[02:40] <cwillu> does it display fine (i.e., only wrong while printing?)
[02:40] <kapputu> can someone provide me with the link to upgrade to hoary?
[02:40] <tritium> shadeofgrey, do they show up in your ~/.fonts directory?
[02:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm trying to figure out what options to put in fstab for an ntfs drive a just put back into my system.
[02:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> can anyone help?
[02:41] <cwillu> kapputu:  you need to change the repositories in synaptic from warty to hoary
[02:41] <Funraiser> kapputu ubuntuguide.org
[02:41] <hazmat> knucks, any connection of new device event
[02:41] <mlambie> what app will show me I/O throughput on my drives in real time, like bwm shows network throughput?
[02:41] <shadeofgrey> i dont HAVE a /.fonts directory
[02:41] <shadeofgrey> i dont think
[02:41] <cwillu> .files are hidden by defaults
[02:41] <mikep_> tritium: how do u upgrade from warty to hoary?
[02:41] <knucks> ieee1394: Node suspended: ID:BUS[0-00:1023]   GUID[000a2700026af4e0] 
[02:41] <knucks> ieee1394: Node resumed: ID:BUS[0-00:1023]   GUID[000a2700026af4e0] 
[02:41] <knucks> ieee1394: Node changed: 0-00:1023 -> 0-01:1023
[02:41] <kapputu> I saw a post in ubuntulinuxforums.org by a jdong who gives a script to do the upgrade
[02:41] <shadeofgrey> how do i view them so i can cut and paste the .ttfs?
[02:42] <hazmat> knucks, and or a loading of the firewire sbp2 and scsi modules or the usb mass storage device module (if using usb)
[02:42] <shadeofgrey> theres over 800 of them... would take forever with commandline
[02:42] <hazmat> knucks, modprobe sbp2
[02:42] <shadeofgrey> to be honest i only really want ONE
[02:42] <shadeofgrey> my day roman file
[02:42] <kapputu> also I have a problem with not being to access secure sites
[02:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> mikep_:   you go into your apt-get files and change all instances of warty to hoary
[02:42] <error_29> kapputu, easy as pie, just open synaptic, look at the repos, and change all "warty" to "hoary", then smartupgrade
[02:42] <kapputu> I'm having a problem accessing webmail
[02:42] <knucks> FATAL: Error inserting sbp2 (/lib/modules/2.6.10-4-386/kernel/drivers/ieee1394/sbp2.ko): Operation not permitted
[02:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> i have no idea what "syntapic" is.
[02:42] <tritium> mikep_, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes/
[02:42] <kapputu> error_29: can't I use apt-get?
[02:43] <dazed> error_29: i did that and it said that it couldnt find a few repositories
[02:43] <error_29> I suppose you can...
[02:43] <Funraiser> Kapputu http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#upgradewartytohoary
[02:43] <kapputu> I mean edit sources.list
[02:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> what the hell is synaptic?
[02:43] <mikep_> tritium: tu
[02:43] <tritium> sure
[02:43] <error_29> Synaptic package manager
[02:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> is it some gui thing?
[02:43] <DarthFrog> BROKEN_LADDER:  It's a GUI frontend to apt-get.
[02:44] <kapputu> hoary is going to be released in April?
[02:44] <tritium> yes
[02:44] <smo> Has anyone had problems with LVM on hoary? I don't see anything relevant on bugzilla nor the lists
[02:44] <nandi> from the synaptic convers
[02:44] <marcin_ant> hi
[02:44] <QMario> How do I restart Samba again?
[02:44] <kapputu> ok anyone else having problems with webmail
[02:45] <kapputu> tried both mozilla and firefox
[02:45] <kapputu> should I try a different engine?
[02:45] <marcin_ant> could someone tell me why I got two instances of gdm running always on my desktop?
[02:45] <nandi> When I click on synaptic from gnome the cursor remains busy but no window comes up
[02:45] <kapputu> I couldn't install galeon
[02:45] <error_29> Is there any way for a user to customize this so-called custom menu?  It's taking up a lot of space on the panel, and I'd like to get rid of the gnome-foot thing
[02:45] <DazeD||laptop> how many upgraded packages are with the hoary upgrade
[02:45] <nandi> in short synaptic does not start
[02:46] <nandi> can any one explain why
[02:46] <Funraiser> nandi you upgraded to hoary?
[02:46] <ells> is anyone having issues in hoary with playing mp3
[02:46] <nandi> no
[02:46] <kapputu> am I asking in the wrong forum?
[02:46] <nandi> I am on warty
[02:46] <QMario> Can anyone tell me the command to restart Samba?
[02:46] <Funraiser> it never started?
[02:47] <tritium> QMario, there's a script in /etc/init.d/ you need to run with sudo, and pass it "restart"
[02:47] <error_29> ells, weirdly, hoary played mp3 as soon as I upgraded, even though under warty I hadn't installed any mp3 support.  Very strange.
[02:47] <DarthFrog> QMario:  /etc/init.d/samba restart
[02:47] <tritium> QMario, I don't have samba installed, or I'd tell you the exact filename.  it's probably samba
[02:47] <Slaven> I'm a total noob with PHP
[02:47] <ells> error_29, can you tell me the tools I need
[02:48] <kapputu> ok upgrading to hoary
[02:48] <Slaven> but since I can't get mod_python to work, I'm trying it out
[02:48] <error_29> oh, one issue, and i should file a bug report on it:  totem skips at the beginning of playback
[02:48] <Slaven> but I can't get the mysql module working.
[02:48] <error_29> um-- http://ubuntuguide.org/
[02:48] <Funraiser> nandi synaptic never started?
[02:48] <kapputu> a lot of things in Ubuntu has been built with python?
[02:48] <nandi> yes never started
[02:48] <DazeD||laptop> is there a big difference between hoary and warty?
[02:48] <error_29> ells, that guide tells you all about getting the proprietary stuff working
[02:48] <Slaven> I've installed it with APT... does it require any further configuration to work?
[02:48] <Funraiser> open a terminal and type sudo synaptic
[02:49] <ells> tritium: my audio will not work in hoary for mp3 support, also when I click the mp3 in xmms it locks up
[02:49] <tritium> ells, since when?
[02:49] <nandi> Funraiser ok i will try that
[02:49] <ells> tritium: like today or yesterday I think
[02:49] <DarthFrog> DazeD||laptop: Yes.  Warty is the first release.  Hoary will be the second release.
[02:49] <ells> tritium: it worked in warty
[02:49] <tritium> ells, what has been installed/removed since that time?
[02:49] <ells> honestly, cant totally remember, wine for starters
[02:49] <nandi> also I have a Dlink modem. Is there a way to find whther it has been detected
[02:50] <kapputu> anyone upgraded to gnome-2.10?
[02:50] <cwillu> hmm
[02:50] <error_29> kapputu, I thought that's what hoary was using.. it's not?
[02:50] <cwillu> how stable is the sound driver?
[02:50] <kapputu> I have no idea
[02:50] <kapputu> I'm just upgrading
[02:50] <kapputu> I din't notice would be a good answer
[02:50] <ells> tritium: when I double click the mp3 and it goes to totem, it immediately closes
[02:51] <cwillu> plausible that it could be causing my closing applications issues?
[02:51] <DazeD||laptop> warty is the first release of ubuntu DarthFrog?
[02:51] <wdh> ells, i have exactly the same issue here
[02:51] <kapputu> I have been having issues with firefox and evolution
[02:51] <error_29> help file says gnome 2.8 desktop
[02:51] <ells> wdh really
[02:51] <tritium> ells, i'm not having any trouble
[02:51] <kapputu> barring that I love ubuntu
[02:51] <ells> tritium: what tools play the mp3
[02:51] <tritium> ells, I typically use rhythmbox
[02:51] <ells> wdh, have you figured out on your end what it is
[02:52] <error_29> no, wait, the gnome help says 2.6 in another section, wtf???
[02:52] <jdub> DazeD||laptop: the difference is six months of: a) progress in the world of open source software, and b) vigorous development and bug fixing on the part of the ubuntu maintainers
[02:52] <ells> tritium: I can try it, but do you know about the tools
[02:52] <wdh> i see totem showing up for about half a second.. and then it shuts down.. for movies as well.. mplayer was able to play mpegs fine..
[02:52] <Funraiser> nandi dunno
[02:52] <wdh> ells, not yet
[02:52] <error_29> I don't understand gnome at all; the documentation always seems a mishmash
[02:52] <tritium> kapputu, gnome 2.10 is in hoary
[02:52] <ells> wdh: pkay
[02:52] <ells> okay
[02:52] <tritium> ells, what tools?
[02:52] <ells> tritium: codecs and such
[02:52] <mellinux> Hey again, fellas.
[02:53] <mellinux> Just booted up Warty Live
[02:53] <tritium> ells, yeah, what about them?
[02:53] <Funraiser> realplayer works fine wdh
[02:53] <ells> tritium: my music acts crazy with all players
[02:53] <wdh> Funraiser, never liked realplayer much..
[02:53] <ells> tritium: my real player wont open either
[02:53] <Funraiser> i have perfect tv shows with realplayer
[02:53] <ells> tritium: sounds maybe like a gnome issue
[02:53] <tritium> ells, strange
[02:53] <mellinux> How do you configue Ubuntu to use 2 monitors side by side?
[02:53] <tritium> ells, I'm uptodate with hoary, don't have that problem
[02:54] <tritium> ells, I just tried your click method in nautilus, and totem works too
[02:54] <goldfish> mellinux: program called synergy
[02:54] <wdh> ells, try installing gstreamer0.8-mad
[02:54] <goldfish> mellinux: u cud try that
[02:54] <ells> tritium: I wont lie, I used hoary last week, worked fine and reinstalled and now crap
[02:54] <kapputu> any good themes for Ubuntu
[02:54] <ells> wdh okay
[02:54] <kapputu> looking for some eyecandy
[02:55] <tritium> ells, you already had gstreamer0.8-mad, I remember
[02:55] <ells> tritium: now cant play movies either
[02:55] <QMario> Bye
[02:55] <ells> tritium: kind of messed up that movies wont play either
[02:55] <tritium> ells, if you reinstalled, perhaps you didn't reinstall gstreamer0.8-mad and w32codecs
[02:55] <mellinux> goldfish, with warty live how do i get synergy
[02:55] <tritium> ells, why did you reinstall?
[02:55] <ells> tritium: w32 is, but the other, I will check
[02:56] <netsniper> anyone know how to get Eclipse SDK going on Ubuntu?
[02:56] <netsniper> after much googling, no help...
[02:56] <ells> tritium: I had crossweaver installed in hoary and all kind of errors came up
[02:56] <kapputu> what is python mainly used for in Ubuntu?
[02:56] <_manuel> I updated to hoary and  (x.org and KDE 3.4 looks very cool)
[02:56] <cwillu> you have java installed?
[02:56] <kapputu> hoary uses x.org?
[02:56] <Funraiser> Kapputu u should check gdesklet for some eyecandy
[02:56] <netsniper> ya
[02:56] <_manuel> but the fonts looks ugly
[02:56] <cwillu> sun's or otherwise?
[02:57] <netsniper> sun jdk
[02:57] <_manuel> kapputu: apt-get install xserver-xorg
[02:57] <Funraiser> gDesklets
[02:57] <netsniper> 1.5.0_02
[02:57] <goldfish> mellinux: http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/
[02:57] <cwillu> I think there's a command line via javaw
[02:57] <kapputu> link for gdesklets?
[02:57] <_manuel> but the fonts looks ugly
[02:57] <cwillu> been there done that?
[02:57] <kapputu> what's that actually?
[02:57] <tritium> kapputu, apt-cache search gdesklets
[02:57] <hou5ton> i have tried a couple different things to get my Outlook contacts to cleanly import into Evolution .. with limited success ... Any suggestions?
[02:57] <netsniper> i want Eclipse going
[02:57] <dazed> goldfish: y0 ... have u done the hoary upgrade or u stickin on warty?
[02:57] <Funraiser> kapputu there is a website
[02:57] <cwillu> netsniper
[02:58] <netsniper> i have installed the gtk2 bin from Eclipse website -- but it crashes
[02:58] <tritium> hou5ton, there's outport
[02:58] <eb0x> I am trying to update my GAIM (There is a newer version than what is on the synaptic update) and it says I need GTK+ 2.0 ... Is there a way to easily update to GTK+ 2.0 ?
[02:58] <goldfish> dazed: getting another pc on sunday, gonna try hoary on that. you?
[02:58] <ells> tritium: gstreamer was not installed, I will now see if my songs work
[02:58] <tritium> hou5ton, http://outport.sourceforge.net/
[02:58] <Funraiser> http://gdesklets.gnomedesktop.org/
[02:58] <dazed> goldfish: im upgrading now...going to be an all nighter im bettin on my slow ass 56k shared 3 ways lol
[02:58] <tritium> eb0x, you have it
[02:58] <wdh> eb0x, what release of ubuntu are you using?
[02:58] <goldfish> dazed: lol
[02:58] <kapputu> apt-get install xserver-xorg din't work
[02:58] <eb0x> warty
[02:59] <ells> tritium: naw, it still locks up
[02:59] <wdh> switch to hoary then :)
[02:59] <ells> wdh: I am on hoary
[02:59] <hou5ton> tritium:   thanks ... appreciate it
[02:59] <netsniper> cwillu, ya?
[02:59] <eb0x> How do I change to hoary without reinstalling
[02:59] <kapputu> couldn't install gdesklets too
[02:59] <skreet> When I load Ubuntu on my laptop (with noapic and nolapic or without) it goes past the inital screens full of text then to wehre it should be *blue* it turns black and stop responding. Any ideas?
[02:59] <kapputu> broken packages
[02:59] <cwillu> how does it crash
[02:59] <wdh> change all repositories in synaptic from warty to hoary
[02:59] <goldfish> skreet: sounds like x is failing
[03:00] <tritium> eb0x, gtk2.0 is in Warty as well
[03:00] <goldfish> skreet: nvidia card?
[03:00] <netsniper> there is a log in /opt/eclipse/configuration/*.log
[03:00] <wdh> then update and 'mark all upgrades' and 'apply'
[03:00] <skreet> goldfish, There's no X during the install process..
[03:00] <goldfish> k
[03:00] <skreet> goldfish, Right?
[03:00] <Funraiser> tha's eyecandy: http://www.lynucs.org/index.php?screen_id=692813795402a3035d54db&p=screen
[03:00] <skreet> goldfish: And, it's an ATI card. It installs fine on my desktop (nvidia card)
[03:00] <goldfish> skreet: eh, sorry bit of a n00b, but i had that problem
[03:00] <goldfish> hrmm...
[03:00] <skreet> goldfish: on a laptop?
[03:00] <tritium> hou5ton, sure :)
[03:00] <goldfish> yeah
[03:00] <cwillu> can you post that log file somewhere?
[03:01] <leveldoc> hi ppl
[03:01] <goldfish> nvidia
[03:01] <skreet> goldfish: Did you fix it?
[03:01] <dazed> downloading file 1 of 859....OH GOD!
[03:01] <eb0x> how do i update to hoary?
[03:01] <netsniper> cwillu, private?
[03:01] <eb0x> isnt there an apt-get command i can use
[03:01] <cwillu> anywhere
[03:01] <goldfish> skreet: yeah i was on an nvidia, i just had to update my drivers
[03:01] <kapputu> that's cool
[03:01] <tritium> eb0x, you don't need Hoary for gtk2.0
[03:01] <kapputu> how do I get that?
[03:01] <cwillu> I don't think theres anything security wise inthere
[03:01] <kapputu> http://pastebin.com/252915 - error installing gdesklets
[03:01] <eyequeue> Funraiser:  gentoo?
[03:01] <cwillu> probably _not_ in irc
[03:01] <leveldoc> just upgraded to hoary, having problems using skype - anyone else?
[03:01] <wdh> tritium, nope.. but if he wants a new version of gaim, he might as well switch :)
[03:01] <error_29> folks, anyone getting this message with apt-get update:
[03:01] <difekta> FIREFOX keeps telling me that it can't startup because someone is "using" the default profile.  what is that supposed to mean?
[03:01] <cwillu> i.e., if you can blog or server or ftp
[03:01] <difekta> "using"?
[03:02] <skreet> goldfish: Well, I'm having this problem while *installing*
[03:02] <difekta> like, some other program is reading it, therefore ff can't read it?!
[03:02] <goldfish> oh right :/
[03:02] <ells> tritium: I now can play video but no sound
[03:02] <eb0x> tritium: I know that, How can I update to Hoary?
[03:02] <skreet> Anyone have any issues installing ubuntu on a laptop getting a black screen?
[03:02] <Funraiser> eyequeue, any distro + gdesklets
[03:02] <ells> tritium: any ideas
[03:02] <eyequeue> difekta:  most likely it didn't shut down properly
[03:02] <leveldoc> difekta: do a "ps auxwww | grep mozilla-firefox"
[03:02] <error_29> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[03:02] <error_29> E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[03:02] <difekta> of course it didn't.
[03:02] <difekta> so what?
[03:02] <goldfish> skreet: search ubuntuforums.org mayb
[03:02] <error_29> When I run apt-get update again, no problem
[03:02] <wdh> error_29, its quite self-explanatory
[03:02] <error_29> This happens every time
[03:02] <tritium> wdh, not if he's not ready to deal with a preview release
[03:02] <error_29> What is wdh?
[03:02] <skreet> goldfish, I did, no avail, thats why I'm here :D :P
[03:02] <goldfish> lol
[03:02] <goldfish> :/
[03:02] <netsniper> eclipse.buildId=I20050219-1500
[03:02] <netsniper> java.fullversion=GNU libgcj 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-8ubuntu2)
[03:02] <netsniper> BootLoader constants: OS=linux, ARCH=x86, WS=gtk, NL=en_US
[03:02] <netsniper> Command-line arguments:  -os linux -ws gtk -arch x86
[03:02] <netsniper> !ENTRY org.eclipse.osgi 2005-03-10 20:01:22.692
[03:02] <netsniper> !MESSAGE Startup error
[03:02] <wdh> error_29, the error
[03:03] <netsniper> !STACK 1
[03:03] <netsniper> java.lang.NoSuchMethodError: method java.io.FileOutputStream.<init> was not found.
[03:03] <netsniper>    at _Jv_ResolvePoolEntry(java.lang.Class, int) (/usr/lib/libgcj.so.4.0.0)
[03:03] <netsniper>    at org.eclipse.core.runtime.adaptor.Locker_JavaNio.lock() (Unknown Source)
[03:03] <netsniper>    at org.eclipse.osgi.service.datalocation.FileManager.lock() (Unknown Source)
[03:03] <netsniper>    at org.eclipse.osgi.service.datalocation.FileManager.open(boolean) (Unknown Source)
[03:03] <cwillu> _not_ in irc :p
[03:03] <netsniper>    at org.eclipse.core.runtime.adaptor.EclipseAdaptor.initFileManager(java.io.File, java.lang.String) (Unknown Source)
[03:03] <netsniper>    at org.eclipse.core.runtime.adaptor.EclipseAdaptor.initialize(org.eclipse.osgi.framework.adaptor.EventPublisher) (Unknown Source)
[03:03] <eb0x> .....
[03:03] <netsniper>    at org.eclipse.osgi.framework.internal.core.Framework.initialize(org.eclipse.osgi.framework.adaptor.FrameworkAdaptor) (Unknown Source)
[03:03] <error_29> the error is clear, what's not clear is why the error is happening!
[03:03] <wdh> run apt-get update and see which lines seem to be wrong..
[03:03] <skreet> Man Nautalis is cool.
[03:03] <netsniper>    at org.eclipse.osgi.framework.internal.core.Framework.Framework(org.eclipse.osgi.framework.adaptor.FrameworkAdaptor) (Unknown Source)
[03:03] <wdh> netsniper, stfu
[03:03] <netsniper>    at org.eclipse.osgi.framework.internal.core.OSGi.createFramework(org.eclipse.osgi.framework.adaptor.FrameworkAdaptor) (Unknown Source)
[03:03] <goldfish> lol
[03:03] <netsniper>    at org.eclipse.osgi.framework.internal.core.OSGi.OSGi(org.eclipse.osgi.framework.adaptor.FrameworkAdaptor) (Unknown Source)
[03:03] <NobleArc> is it safe to install packages from nerim.net (debian-marliat or something, I need transcode)?  It complains about GPG signatures. o_O
[03:03] <netsniper>    at org.eclipse.core.runtime.adaptor.EclipseStarter.startup(java.lang.String[] , java.lang.Runnable) (Unknown Source)
[03:03] <tritium> ignore netsniper
[03:03] <netsniper>    at org.eclipse.core.runtime.adaptor.EclipseStarter.run(java.lang.String[] , java.lang.Runnable) (Unknown Source)
[03:03] <dazed> switching over to hoary ...itd take me a full 24 horus to dl on 56k lol and too many packages will crash
[03:03] <cwillu> looks like either java isn't installed correctly, or there's something wrong with the class path
[03:03] <tritium> arg
[03:03] <netsniper>    at _Jv_CallAnyMethodA(java.lang.Object, java.lang.Class, _Jv_Method, boolean, java.lang.Class[] , jvalue, jvalue) (/usr/lib/libgcj.so.4.0.0)
[03:03] <eyequeue> Funraiser:  just noting the hostmale in grellm :)
[03:03] <netsniper>    at _Jv_CallAnyMethodA(java.lang.Object, java.lang.Class, _Jv_Method, boolean, java.lang.Class[] 
[03:03] <netsniper> doh, sorry
[03:04] <eyequeue> Funraiser:  hostname
[03:04] <error_29> Why does it barf on apt-get update, then do the apt-get update with no problem?  What, it just wants me to type everything twice?
[03:04] <eyequeue> netsniper:  STOP
[03:04] <leveldoc> guys: has anyone else problems with KDE applications on a default hoary?
[03:04] <cwillu> netsniper, your classpath might be screwy
[03:04] <difekta> this makes no sense.  why would firefox complain that something else is "using" a settings file?  how can that stop it from reading the file?
[03:04] <drspin> yo all
[03:04] <netsniper> cwillu, how would i fix it?
[03:04] <NobleArc> "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!" <--- o_o Is that really important?
[03:04] <cwillu> you're a java developer... you should know :)
[03:04] <BobaFett> hey guys...Im having problems starting my ubuntu and Im really starting to freak out...
[03:04] <drspin> difekta: sudo killall -9 mozilla-bin
[03:05] <drspin> difekta: then try to run it again
[03:05] <difekta> i did
[03:05] <cwillu> how did you install java?
[03:05] <leveldoc> difekta: what does ps say?
[03:05] <eyequeue> difekta:  that kill he mentioned will *cause* the problem!
[03:05] <tritium> ells, did you check out the logfiles in /var/log ?
[03:05] <Funraiser> eyequeue...errr Ubuntu here, if u are referring to the link i just gave, it's a screenshot, but not from mine
[03:05] <SiRrUs> BobaFett whats wrong with it
[03:05] <DazeD||laptop> cwillu: www.ubuntustarterguide.org
[03:05] <Hell-Razor> hey guys...kind of a stupid question but my brain went to go fuck somebody...but anyways...how would i install a .deb package?
[03:05] <cwillu> I know how
[03:05] <eyequeue> difekta:  you have a lock file left over,remove it
[03:05] <cwillu> I am asking how _he_ did
[03:05] <ells> tritium: naw I can, what will I be looking for
[03:05] <leveldoc> Hell-Razor: dpkg -i "package"
[03:05] <cwillu> netsniper:  how did you install java?
[03:05] <skreet> Okay where do I go with my laptop-related issues :\
[03:05] <kapputu> any help with gdesklets?
[03:05] <tritium> ells, any errors related to sound ;)
[03:06] <BobaFett> SiRrUs: When I log on to GNOME; it says 'your session lasted less than 10 seconds, check your diskspace'
[03:06] <Hell-Razor> leveldoc, ty
[03:06] <eyequeue> Hell-Razor: sudo dpkg -i foo.deb
[03:06] <goldfish> Hell-Razor: dpkg -i package
[03:06] <difekta> a "lock" file?
[03:06] <cwillu> skreet... what?
[03:06] <leveldoc> Hell-Razor: np
[03:06] <BobaFett> SiRrUs: But I have over 20 free gigs on the ubuntu partition!
[03:06] <difekta> jesus firefox must be retarded.
[03:06] <ells> tritium: how will I get in to check
[03:06] <DazeD||laptop> lol my apologese
[03:06] <Funraiser> but working on LFS though
[03:06] <netsniper> cwillu, i installed the sun jdk 1.5.0_02 using the bin file and included instructions
[03:06] <eyequeue> difekta:  why?
[03:06] <skreet> cwillu, My laptop will not install ubuntu :\
[03:06] <drspin> Mar 10 19:03:15 localhost kernel: NVRM: not using NVAGP, AGPGART is loaded!!
[03:06] <drspin> it this a bad thing?
[03:06] <Hell-Razor> eyequeue, what does sudo do
[03:06] <tritium> ells, ?
[03:06] <cwillu> skreet: where does it fail?
[03:06] <error_29> bzip2: Compressed file ends unexpectedly  perhaps it is corrupted?  *Possible* reason follows.
[03:06] <eyequeue> sudo (8)             - execute a command as another user
[03:06] <leveldoc> does anyone know of any problems with sound? There was a sound issue I understand?
[03:06] <error_29> bzip2: Resource temporarily unavailable        Input file = (stdin), output file = (stdout)
[03:06] <BobaFett> Hell-Razor: sudo runs commands as root
[03:06] <tritium> Hell-Razor, man sudo
[03:06] <SiRrUs> BobaFett check in the forums I had that problem a while ago cant remember what the problem was
[03:06] <cwillu> that would cause it
[03:06] <eyequeue> Hell-Razor:  in this case, a root
[03:06] <eyequeue> as
[03:06] <ells> well, which file is it in the log files
[03:06] <skreet> cwillu, Right when the screen should turn blue and start asking me stuffs, it turns black and does..nothing. :D
[03:07] <Hell-Razor> BobaFett, aah thank you
[03:07] <Hell-Razor> eyequeue, aah
[03:07] <cwillu> give me 2 seconds skreet
[03:07] <Funraiser> su = change user, if no user after that, then root by default
[03:07] <BobaFett> SiRrUs: The forums? Ok, Ill give it a try, but I couldnt find anuthing in the wiki...thanks!
[03:07] <skreet> cwillu, Appreciate it :D
[03:07] <cwillu> netsniper:  you didn't use the deb file / apt-get?
[03:07] <SiRrUs> yw
[03:07] <eyequeue> Hell-Razor:  you need root access to modify the overall system, and package installation does just that
[03:07] <netsniper> cwillu, where is the deb?
[03:07] <difekta> it must be retarded because of this "lock" file business.
[03:07] <drspin> anyone got Nvu working on warty?
[03:07] <cwillu> one sec
[03:07] <netsniper> drspin, i have it working in warty and hoary
[03:08] <eyequeue> difekta:  if you don't shut an app down properly, it can't clean up after itself
[03:08] <drspin> netsniper: do you have to use root
[03:08] <drspin> ?
[03:08] <ells> tritium: the sounds work when just clicking on icons and such, but not audion in mp3 or movies
[03:08] <difekta> clean up after itself?  what is that even suppposed to mean?
[03:08] <tritium> ells, yeah, I understand
[03:08] <eyequeue> difekta:  one example, remove its lock files
[03:08] <tritium> difekta, close files it has open, etc.
[03:08] <difekta> a system should behave no differently if the power is shut off.
[03:08] <ells> tritium; any ideas
[03:08] <drspin> difekta: try logging out and logging back in
[03:08] <difekta> why would it _have_ lock files?
[03:08] <difekta> i just deleted the lock file.
[03:08] <eyequeue> difekta:  are you insane?
[03:08] <difekta> now it works.
[03:08] <kapputu> whoa need to get 260MB to upgrade to hoary
[03:08] <kapputu> cool
[03:09] <difekta> no.
[03:09] <DazeD||laptop> so anyone know the deal with wireless-g cards on linux if they work or not?
[03:09] <tritium> ells, no
[03:09] <DJ_Jesus> can anyone with some good googlefu point me to a guide on how to install on a system with no cd drive?
[03:09] <eyequeue> difekta:  how can cached writes happen if you pull the power?
[03:09] <difekta> there was never a problem like this with any other app i've used besides mozilla.  and it NEVER happened in beos.
[03:09] <difekta> cached?
[03:09] <DJ_Jesus> although I DO have a 1gb USB key
[03:09] <ells> tritium: what are the codecs for audio for mp3 in linux
[03:09] <netsniper> drspin, http://ubuntuguide.org/#nvu
[03:09] <cwillu> ftp://neacm.fe.up.pt/pub/ubuntu-java/
[03:09] <ells> tritium: I will reinstall them
[03:09] <cwillu> wait
[03:09] <difekta> eyequeue:  oh, i misread your sentence.
[03:09] <difekta> well, they can't.  so what?
[03:09] <drspin> netsniper: I followed that and it works but only from root...
[03:09] <tritium> ells, you already did:  gstreamer0.8-mad
[03:10] <difekta> that shouldn't make it any harder to start up a program.
[03:10] <netsniper> what version?
[03:10] <ells> tritium: do you think I need to restart the computer
[03:10] <netsniper> ty latest 0.81
[03:10] <tritium> ells, no
[03:10] <eyequeue> difekta:  i recommend you get out of the habit of improper shutdowns
[03:10] <ells> well shoot
[03:10] <Funraiser> DJ_jesus i think u can install everything via FTP
[03:10] <ells> tritium: I dont want to, but I may end up reinstalling the distro.......again
[03:10] <cwillu> add ftp://neacm.fe.up.pt/pub/ubuntu-java/ binary/
[03:10] <cwillu> and source/
[03:11] <kapputu> ok guys I need the names of the guys who said the upgrade to hoary wouldn't be a problem. I would need to shout at u guys if something goes wrong :-)
[03:11] <cwillu> to your repos, then look up sun, and install
[03:11] <DJ_Jesus> Funraiser, i would hope you could, but I don't know how to :)
[03:11] <eyequeue> difekta:  unless you plan on restricting yourself to only running very simple apps on another os
[03:11] <tritium> kapputu, be nice
[03:11] <dazed> anyone know if wireless g cards work on linux??? id like to know before i install on my laptop?
[03:11] <ells> tritium: what controls audio in mp3 and movies.....gstreamer?
[03:11] <tritium> ells, it depends on the application
[03:11] <eyequeue> dazed:  i'm on one now, heh
[03:11] <kapputu> tritium: oh yeah I was real serious about that
[03:11] <ells> tritium: it seems kind of associated
[03:11] <cwillu> netsniper:  that should properly install java, then you should have more luck with eclipse
[03:11] <netsniper> cwillu, testing now
[03:12] <kapputu> dazed: I got mine working
[03:12] <ells> tritium:with the movies and music
[03:12] <kapputu> it's a TI based card
[03:12] <odo> dazed: it really depends on what chip the card is using
[03:12] <eyequeue> dazed:  ipw2200 driver here, centrino
[03:12] <difekta> there shouldn't be any need for a "proper" shut down.
[03:12] <nixman> the only problem i have so far is there is no usb ! my mouse (cheap one) is just not being recognized. this was whithout a flaw in warty
[03:12] <kapputu> I use a acx100 driver
[03:12] <tritium> ells, gstreamer and xine, for example
[03:12] <cwillu> skreet:  it hangs during the character mode install?
[03:12] <ells> okay
[03:12] <tritium> ells, e.g., there's a totem-gstreamer, and a totem-xine
[03:12] <Teal`c> WTF .. i was playing with the ubuntu live cd for five minutes, i rebooted and the drive windows xp is on is now corrupted.. totally gone.
[03:12] <kapputu> what does ubuntu use python for?
[03:12] <dazed> kapputu and odo and eyequeue: i have a linksys wireless G card and i tried it on an old version of knoppix with an older kernal and no working
[03:12] <ells> I will try totem
[03:12] <tritium> kapputu, lots of things
[03:12] <dazed> im wondering if it will work on ubuntu
[03:12] <cwillu> Teal`c:  what error?
[03:12] <zenwhen> Any Athlon64 users in here?
[03:13] <kapputu> python seems to be cool
[03:13] <cwillu> skreet?
[03:13] <netsniper> yea, i used to be amn64 -- but went back to i386
[03:13] <kapputu> I'm just waiting for the Learning Python book to arrive
[03:13] <tritium> kapputu, it's a good scripting, glue, and rapid app. dev. lang.
[03:13] <difekta> caching writes is also a bad idea unless you're doing something like compiling
[03:13] <kapputu> yeah
[03:13] <zenwhen> netsniper, what motherboard?
[03:13] <netsniper> amd64 is not tested well enough to use yet...
[03:13] <kapputu> I read a lot about it
[03:13] <netsniper> HP zv5270us laptop
[03:13] <zenwhen> fuck
[03:13] <zenwhen> oops
[03:13] <kapputu> Bruce Eckel, Guido interviews
[03:13] <eyequeue> kapputu:  you may want to sudo apt-get install diveintopython
[03:13] <Funraiser> DJ_Jesus I know it's possible for sure i've done it for mandrake, but it wasn't easy
[03:13] <skreet> cwillu, That was awesome.
[03:13] <netsniper> eckel's book is good
[03:14] <cwillu> ?
[03:14] <cwillu> :p
[03:14] <skreet> cwillu, Yes, right before the actual install process
[03:14] <nixman> darn i think my keyboard was installed as french !
[03:14] <kapputu> his book?
[03:14] <zenwhen> I need a recommendation for an athlon64 motherboard for linux and cant find ANYTHING.
[03:14] <cwillu> how many menu's in?
[03:14] <tritium> even the tutorial and reference manual in python-docs are good
[03:14] <kapputu> is it complete?
[03:14] <skreet> cwillu, I tried to close music player because it had stopped loading song from my smb share and it didnt like that every much..
[03:14] <DJ_Jesus> Funraiser, :/
[03:14] <skreet> cwillu, But thats another less important issue
[03:14] <DJ_Jesus> how about a way to put it on my 1gb flash key and install from that to my computer
[03:14] <cwillu> i.e., during choice of language/country/timezone?
[03:14] <dazed> eyequeue: i have a mobile AMD Athalon XP 1400+ with a wireless G by linksys you think itll work on ubuntu and if so what would i have to do?
[03:15] <DarthFrog> zenwhen: the Asus amd64 motherboard is good.
[03:15] <eyequeue> dazed:  i'm not sure which chipset that uses, and which driver would be needed
[03:15] <zenwhen> DarthFrog, I have read about problems with not only the hardware clock but the networking.
[03:15] <nixman> any one can help me whith my usb woes ?
[03:15] <zenwhen> In Linux.
[03:15] <kapputu> damn I forgot that I downloaded that book
[03:15] <Hell-Razor> hey guys how do i fix this stupid system beep my computer does everytime i hit tab to view what my options are?
[03:15] <kapputu> I like his TIJ
[03:15] <eyequeue> dazed:  on the wireless side i mean.  the cpu is supported just fine
[03:15] <Funraiser> DJ_Jesus it should be possible too
[03:15] <error_29> heh heh, watching the screen during install is like seeing an ad for python, man, that's a lot of files
[03:15] <DarthFrog> zenwhen: I have one running a mail server.  Works fine.
[03:15] <cwillu> skreet?
[03:16] <skreet> cwillu, Yes?
[03:16] <nixman> i have a laptop with a touchpad that seems to be working. but i pprefer the usb mouse
[03:16] <kapputu> computer -> desktop preferences -> sound ?
[03:16] <tritium> Hell-Razor, in gnome-terminal?
[03:16] <zenwhen> DarthFrog, K8N?
[03:16] <cwillu> skreet: in the language selection?
[03:16] <dazed> eyequeue: well all i would need to do is find what driver i need and install it with ndiswrapper correct? and it should start working?
[03:16] <kapputu> uncheck sound for events
[03:16] <Hell-Razor> tritium: i think its any term
[03:16] <cwillu> or around then?
[03:16] <skreet> cwillu, I'm not sure, it's before the blue screen, after the kernel loading etc, etc.
[03:16] <netsniper> "checking for corrupt government ... OK"
[03:16] <tritium> Hell-Razor, in gnome-terminal, you can edit the profile, and uncheck the "Terminal bell"
[03:16] <skreet> cwillu, I dont actually get to *see* the install process, my laptop blacks out.
[03:16] <drspin> Is this bad:
[03:16] <drspin> Mar 10 19:03:16 localhost kernel: NVRM: not using NVAGP, AGPGART is loaded!!
[03:16] <skreet> cwillu, Couldent tell you if it is confinuing or crashing..
[03:16] <eyequeue> dazed:  presuming there's a driver supporting it, that's one route, better would be one that is in the linux kernel itself, if you can find that
[03:16] <cwillu> have you tried the noapic nolapic pci=nodma type modes?
[03:17] <cwillu> hmm
[03:17] <skreet> cwillu, The first two, yes, I will try pci-nodma n ow.
[03:17] <cwillu> there's also a video mode switch you might want to try
[03:17] <Hell-Razor> tritium, and how would i do that
[03:17] <Funraiser> DJ_Jesus u have no cd-rom or it won't boot?
[03:17] <skreet> cwillu,  Do you know what it is?
[03:17] <eyequeue> netsniper:  lol, who wrote that Makefile? :)
[03:17] <tritium> Hell-Razor, Edit->Profiles
[03:17] <skreet> cwillu, It's asking for kernel params now.
[03:17] <cwillu> hit f5 when you boot I think, it'll list the options
[03:17] <dazed> eyequeue: what do u mean by one that is in the linux kernel itself .. a driver thats already in the linux kernel that can support it? how would i find it?
[03:17] <Funraiser> DJ_Jesus i mean no cd player or it won't boot?
[03:17] <phantomdata> Hmmm.  Is there a way to view movies with Ubuntu?
[03:17] <skreet> cwillu, The first thing I noticed was that the install image on the isolinux CD shows up corrupted.
[03:17] <kapputu> a quick question on partitions
[03:17] <Teal`c> the ubuntu livecd is pretty neat but the lack of media support in the totem media player is, well,. very lacking.
[03:17] <Hell-Razor> tritium: cough....wtf are you talking about
[03:17] <Teal`c> only seems to play ogg files
[03:17] <netsniper> eyequeue, i forget which package it is from -- but when i ran gentoo i always loved seeing it go by...
[03:17] <kapputu> I managed to screw up the partition on my desktop
[03:18] <cwillu> hmm... are you sure the cd is good/
[03:18] <cwillu> ?
[03:18] <skreet> cwillu, Hm it says "Laptops with screen display problems..
[03:18] <cwillu> skreet:  might want to try burning another
[03:18] <cwillu> as well
[03:18] <skreet> cwillu, Just usted it to load my desktop.
[03:18] <tritium> Hell-Razor, gnome-terminal, as I said
[03:18] <kapputu> how do I partition my hard disk while installing ubuntu
[03:18] <skreet> cwillu, After my other disc got scratched up too much :D
[03:18] <eyequeue> dazed:  well, the ipw2200 and acx100 drivers mentioned above are actually kernel modules
[03:18] <cwillu> :p
[03:18] <kapputu> it just lists my hard disk
[03:18] <cwillu> netsniper:  any luck?
[03:18] <Hell-Razor> tritium, wheres edit
[03:18] <eyequeue> dazed:  if there's such for your card, i recommend that over ndiswrapper
[03:18] <skreet> cwillu, Booting with both noapic's and vga= line..
[03:18] <netsniper> just finished downloadng that deb
[03:18] <tritium> Hell-Razor, in the menu bar
[03:18] <skreet> cwillu, AWESOME, Thanks a bunch buddy :D
[03:18] <cwillu> workin?
[03:19] <cwillu> sweet
[03:19] <dazed> ok thanks
[03:19] <skreet> cwillu,  Yep :D
[03:19] <nixman> how does one change the keyboard setting it looks like it is mapped to a french keyb when i have a normal english one ?
[03:19] <skreet> cwillu, Good stuff. Thanks
[03:19] <cwillu> don't select "canada" :)
[03:19] <cwillu> or, under the prefs
[03:19] <nixman> cwillu: darn !
[03:19] <drspin> anyone know a good file organizer/id3 editor
[03:19] <cwillu> change it to us layout
[03:19] <dazed> now my processor speed is unusually underclocked...why is this on my laptop its runnin 491mhz when its a 1.5 ghz thats very awkward
[03:19] <DarthFrog> drspin: Easytag
[03:19] <skreet> dazed, What kind of laptop?
[03:19] <nixman> cwillu: i have to reinstall .. no way i can change it ?
[03:19] <cwillu> just kidding :)
[03:19] <kapputu> any help on partitioning?
[03:20] <cwillu> nixman:  Preferences | keyboard
[03:20] <dazed> HP pavillion ze 1`210
[03:20] <Funraiser> kapputu u can just follow the default installation
[03:20] <kapputu> default??
[03:20] <tritium> dazed, power management
[03:20] <cwillu> nixman:  layouts | change Selected layouts to U.S. English, and hit the default tab, delete the other one
[03:20] <skreet> dazed, What type of processor, it's probably jsut speedstepping.
[03:20] <kapputu> It asks me to partition the entire hard disk
[03:20] <Funraiser> (unless u want to separate /home and /
[03:20] <Funraiser> )
[03:20] <kapputu> I mean it just shows up my hard disk
[03:20] <dazed> AMD athalon XP 1400+ mobile skreet
[03:20] <cwillu> nixman:  and change the keyboard model to generic
[03:21] <dazed> tritium: what do u mean power management
[03:21] <kapputu> I don't get any option to choose my partition where it'll be mounted
[03:21] <nixman> cwillu: thanks
[03:21] <skreet> dazed, Yea it's just clocking down to save power.
[03:21] <dazed> i cant control processor from power management
[03:21] <cwillu> nixman: no problem
[03:21] <tritium> dazed, what skreet said
[03:21] <dazed> oh really?
[03:21] <dazed> but does it go back up when i need it?
[03:21] <ells> tritium: again you saved the day
[03:21] <tritium> yes
[03:21] <tritium> ells, what did I do?
[03:21] <skreet> dazed, It should.
[03:22] <ells> I installed the gstreamer deal
[03:22] <ells> restarted and poof
[03:22] <tritium> ells, :)  good deal
[03:22] <tritium> excellent
[03:22] <ells> thanks again
[03:22] <tritium> sure
[03:22] <dazed> thats prolly why when i changed it from max power to always on that it stopped random shut downs
[03:22] <ells> I need to send you an xmas card
[03:22] <tritium> good job, ells
[03:22] <dazed> it shut down from overheating
[03:22] <ells> tanks, tanks alot
[03:22] <dazed> and i guess that fixed it
[03:22] <cwillu> can anybody troubleshoot my hands?
[03:22] <tritium> heh, no need, ells ;)
[03:22] <ells> you know the deal
[03:22] <cwillu> I've got burning on top, numb at the tips and ache on the bottom
[03:22] <ells> tritium: I had a samba question
[03:22] <cwillu> most of the way up to my elbow
[03:23] <geppy> I'm trying to create a link, but I keep getting "Operation not permitted", regardless of whether I'm user or root
[03:23] <tritium> ells, okay, but I'm not running samba...
[03:23] <ells> tritium: I am going to be connecting from schoo
[03:23] <ells> is there anything special I need to do with the ip
[03:23] <geppy> Can anyone help me with making a link under Ubuntu?
[03:24] <tritium> ells, not sure I know what you mean
[03:24] <geppy> I've no idea why this "Operation not permitted" error keeps popping up.
[03:24] <ells> tritium: well, do I need the actual ip from the school
[03:24] <ells> I am on a wireless network
[03:24] <tritium> ells, at school, or home?
[03:24] <ells> well, both actually
[03:25] <tritium> ells, you might need to enable port forwarding on your wireless router
[03:25] <ells> tritium: will I need the school ip to connect here at home
[03:25] <drspin> thanks - easytag is going to work
[03:25] <ells> tritium: the tech guys at dlink were clueless
[03:25] <ells> I was able to open a port though
[03:26] <ells> tritium: here at home, in the network, it is easy
[03:26] <leveldoc> does anyone else have problems starting thunderbird under hoary?
[03:26] <tritium> ells, I don't know enough about connecting to samba servers from remote locations
[03:26] <geppy> Why does link not work under Ubuntu?
[03:26] <ells> well, are you connecting remotely
[03:26] <geppy> Does _anyone_ in here know how to get link to work?
[03:26] <tritium> ells, I don't have a samba server ;)
[03:26] <leveldoc> geppy: what do you mean?
[03:26] <Bog_> hello
[03:26] <ells> tritium: are you running any kind of server
[03:26] <leveldoc> which link where to
[03:27] <leveldoc> what are you trying to link?
[03:27] <tritium> ells, just apache2 and gnump3d
[03:27] <ells> can either one connect to windows from linux
[03:27] <geppy> leveldoc:  Just any kind of symbolic link isn't working for me, but specifically, I'm trying to make a link from /usr/src/linux to /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.11-1
[03:27] <cwillu> my arms feel like burning
[03:27] <tritium> ells, apache is just a webserver, gnump3d is my music server
[03:27] <Bog_> anyone from the security team here?
[03:27] <ells> nice
[03:28] <leveldoc> geppy: please do a "ls -d /usr/src/linux"
[03:28] <tritium> ells, I can reach those servers from any O.S.
[03:28] <ells> tritium: I want to connect to my computer from school
[03:28] <leveldoc> sorry ls -ld
[03:28] <tritium> ells, I understand
[03:28] <ells> tritium, cool
[03:28] <ells> will apached work for what i need
[03:28] <cwillu> ells:  look at vnc
[03:28] <tritium> ells, but like I said, I'm not familiar with samba
[03:28] <netsniper> cwillu, it seems to have worked okay, but why doesn't Hoary have it in Universe?
[03:28] <tritium> ells, connect in what way?
[03:28] <netsniper> it seems that the sun JDK is often used
[03:29] <cwillu> it's technically not a legal download
[03:29] <tritium> ells, what do you need to be able to do?
[03:29] <ells> tritium: naw, access to files
[03:29] <geppy> leveldoc: No such file or directory
[03:29] <ells> tritium: pull them across ya know
[03:29] <tritium> ells, if you just need files, why not openssh-server?
[03:29] <cwillu> i.e., nobody is liscenced to provide anything other than the exact binary  sun provides
[03:29] <hayden> can i ask a question about C here
[03:29] <netsniper> right, but multivers includes "illegal" dl rights?
[03:29] <ells> tritium: I am even less familiar with that
[03:29] <cwillu> no, it includes patent encumbered
[03:29] <cafuego> illegal?
[03:29] <ells> tritium: can you walk me thru it
[03:29] <leveldoc> geppy: basically, /usr/src/linux should as the symbolic link point to /usr/src/linux-2.6.whatever, right?
[03:30] <tritium> ells, it provides a ssh server, so you can ssh and sftp into your machine
[03:30] <geppy> leveldoc: But even if I'm in my home directory, and I try to create a link from 'asdf' to 'Desktop', I still get "Operation not permitted"
[03:30] <geppy> leveldoc: Right.
[03:30] <leveldoc> ok
[03:30] <tritium> ells, sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[03:30] <Funraiser> downloading a file @ 90KB/sec...now we're talkin'!
[03:30] <Funraiser> (torrent)
[03:30] <leveldoc> geppy: please tell me the exact command you're using
[03:30] <cafuego> tritium: 'apt-get install ssh' includes an ssh and sftp server.
[03:30] <geppy> leveldoc: sudo link /usr/src/linux /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.11-1
[03:31] <tritium> cafuego, yes, and a client as well
[03:31] <cwillu> okay 2.6.11 doesn't work for me :)
[03:31] <geppy> cwillu:  If you use the 'noinotify
[03:31] <tritium> it just depends on openssh-server and -client
[03:31] <geppy>  cwillu 'noinotify' option on boot, it might =)
[03:31] <leveldoc> geppy: try this: "sudo ln -s /usr/src/linux /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.11-1"
[03:31] <cwillu> it crashes immediately when the desktop comes up
[03:31] <ikama> hello
[03:31] <SiRrUs> cwillu didnt for me either
[03:32] <cwillu> but then again, 2.6.10 and 2.6.8 haven't been working for me either :p
[03:32] <hayden> how can i check string equivalency in C?
[03:32] <ikama> i ve fount the problem with usb bluetooth dongle
[03:32] <cafuego> hayden: strstr
[03:32] <kapputu> strcmp
[03:32] <cwillu> _wrong_ forum though :p
[03:32] <cafuego> sorry, yes strcmp (see also stricmp)
[03:32] <hayden> ok thanks
[03:32] <ikama> udev doesnt makes the device nodes
[03:32] <tritium> thanks for pointing it out, though, cafuego.  You're right, the client would be handy too
[03:32] <cafuego> damn php syntax. strcasecmp
[03:33] <leveldoc> geppy: did it work?
[03:33] <geppy> leveldoc:  Oddly, that created the 'linux' link in /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.11-1 =/
[03:33] <guest_> anyone know anything about yahoo messenger for ubuntu i don't like the idea of non-free software on my boxes, but i run an internet cafe and people are so damn dependent on yahoo... help
[03:33] <geppy> guest_:  Try GAIM
[03:33] <guest_> we already use and love gaim
[03:33] <kapputu> yes ymessenger for linux works good but without support for webcam n stuff
[03:33] <kapputu> gaim is cool
[03:33] <cafuego> If gaim won't work, I think jabber supports everything under the sun
[03:33] <geppy> guest_:  I don't think that the official Yahoo client has any features that GAIM has
[03:34] <kapputu> what do ppl use to have webcam support?
[03:34] <cwillu> guest_:  gaim works with icq, yahoo, msn, aol, irc, etc...
[03:34] <geppy> erm, hasn't
[03:34] <kapputu> I currently have a webcam server to replace
[03:34] <leveldoc> geppy: ok, other way around. :-) Syntax is: ln -s [target]  directory
[03:34] <tritium> cafuego, I haven't seen you around in some time.  How have you been?
[03:34] <guest_> will gaim do webcams
[03:34] <tritium> guest_, no
[03:34] <Funraiser> nope
[03:34] <geppy> leveldoc: I was using that syntax =/
[03:35] <kapputu> gnomemeeting interfaces with yahoo?
[03:35] <kapputu> yahoo uses a closed protocol right?
[03:35] <Funraiser> don't think so
[03:35] <geppy> leveldoc:  'sudo ln -s /usr/src/linux /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.11-1'
[03:35] <cafuego> tritium: Busily avoiding work, mainly.
[03:35] <kapputu> I wish I could spend more time with ubuntu
[03:35] <Funraiser> i mean gnomemeeting with yahoo don't work
[03:35] <tritium> cafuego, :)
[03:35] <leveldoc> geppy: so if you're in /usr/src and you have that linux-headers-2.6.11-1 directory there, enter ln -s linux-headers-2.6.11-1 linux
[03:36] <geppy> leveldoc:  Or, in /usr/src, 'sudo ln -s linux linux-headers-2.6.11-1
[03:36] <leveldoc> geppy: yes
[03:36] <cwillu> hmm
[03:36] <geppy> leveldoc:  Oh, my mistake!
[03:36] <geppy> leveldoc:  Much thanks! =D
[03:36] <Funraiser> guest_ for video u are kind of screwed
[03:36] <leveldoc> geppy: np
[03:36] <ikama> anybody has solved problem with udev doesn't creates rfcomm
[03:36] <kapputu> set up a webcam server
[03:37] <kapputu> it's damn easy
[03:37] <dazed> geppy: what will that do for you?
[03:37] <guest_> we have a webcam server that runs unix
[03:37] <guest_> im talking about people being able to see other personal webcams
[03:38] <geppy> dazed:  Compiling my nvidia module?
[03:38] <geppy> dazed:  I have the module installed for 2.6.10-4, and I'd rather build it for 2.6.11 before I get into X than after
[03:38] <Funraiser> guest_ i mean for webcams on ubuntu exept gnomemeeting i think nothing works, (to the limited extend of my knowledge on this)
[03:38] <guest_> thanks all
[03:39] <netsniper> why nvidia sucks for one reason: driver 6629 fails to work with WXGA laptop widescreens, and 6111 doesn't work in kernels >=2.6.9!!!  Wtf should people that have widescreen lappys and 2.6.10 hoary kernel do?
[03:39] <Funraiser> amsn doesn't have webcam options for instance
[03:39] <dazed> geppy: lol i have no idea what u are talking about i was just wondering what u were doing all this for sounds like some tough stuff
[03:40] <geppy> dazed:  Oh, haha. =)
[03:40] <Funraiser> they have to include webcams for amsn really quick
[03:40] <projectmayhem> hey guys anyone here use limewire? i'm having a little bit of trouble...
[03:40] <_ominae> is there a dvd iso for ubuntu?
[03:40] <geppy> projectmayhem: Does your Java JVM work?
[03:40] <netsniper> i have it going hee
[03:40] <geppy> _ominae: I think you'll need to build one using Jigdo
[03:40] <netsniper> limewire kinda sucks though
[03:41] <geppy> netsniper: That's preference.
[03:41] <_ominae> gerppy: like debian huh?
[03:41] <netsniper> hehe, i recommned newsgroups
[03:41] <projectmayhem> geppy yeah, it starts up fine but it hangs up when i try to set my downloads folder...
[03:41] <geppy> _ominae: Yes, like Debian =)
[03:41] <geppy> projectmayhem: Hmm, are you doing anything odd with your downloads folder?
[03:42] <geppy> projectmayhem: Try leaving it as default? =P
[03:42] <projectmayhem> hmm...
[03:42] <projectmayhem> i guess
[03:43] <eb0x> after i have done the apt-get distupdate or w/e the command was
[03:43] <Funraiser> guest_ all u can do is use Gaim and explain that it's yahoo messenger compatible...
[03:43] <eb0x> do i just restart?
[03:43] <projectmayhem> i left it on default and it did the same thing... :-/
[03:43] <geppy> projectmayhem:  =/
[03:43] <Funraiser> guest_ webcams will work soon on gaim i bet
[03:44] <geppy> Funraiser:  I highly doubt it.
[03:44] <Funraiser> why not?
[03:44] <dazed> lol
[03:44] <projectmayhem> geppy exactly my sentiments... the LimeWire loading screen takes forever too... its on "Loading Messages" for a while now
[03:44] <Funraiser> everything is possible
[03:44] <eb0x> after i have done the apt-get distupdate or w/e the command was
[03:44] <eb0x> do i just restart?
[03:45] <dazed> apt-get dist-upgrade *?
[03:45] <geppy> projectmayhem:  Try contacting the people who built it?  I wouldn't know of anything else to try, other than google
[03:45] <eb0x> Yes
[03:45] <tritium> what ever happened to the gaim_vv project?
[03:45] <dazed> and it did its thing?
[03:45] <eb0x> yes
[03:45] <dazed> ur good to go
[03:45] <projectmayhem> ok thanks geppy
[03:45] <eb0x> so restart?
[03:46] <dazed> no need
[03:46] <geppy> projectmayhem:  No problem, sorry that I couldn't help.
[03:46] <Funraiser> obviously, gaim's objective is to reach as many people as possible, well they gonna have to find a way to make webcams works then
[03:46] <projectmayhem> geppy does apt-get have gtk-gnutella? that would help if you knew that
[03:46] <geppy> Funraiser:  Well, they probably aren't going, regardless.
[03:46] <geppy> projectmayhem: I believe so. =)
[03:46] <Funraiser> we will see
[03:46] <eb0x> *** Could not run GTK+ test program, checking why...
[03:46] <eb0x> *** The test program failed to compile or link. See the file config.log for the
[03:46] <eb0x> *** exact error that occurred. This usually means GTK+ is incorrectly installed.
[03:46] <eb0x> configure: error:
[03:46] <eb0x> *** GTK+ 2.0 is required to build Gaim; please make sure you have the GTK+
[03:46] <projectmayhem> thx a bunch
[03:46] <eb0x> *** development headers installed. The latest version of GTK+ is
[03:47] <geppy> projectmayhem: If not, there is amule =)
[03:47] <eb0x> *** always available at http://www.gtk.org/.
[03:47] <eb0x> Someone said that hoary would have GTK+ 2.0
[03:47] <projectmayhem> yeah amule won't connect to a server though
[03:47] <eb0x> And yet I still cannot install this program ;/
[03:47] <projectmayhem> hoary doesn't have gtk 2.0?
[03:47] <projectmayhem> i mean warty*
[03:47] <tritium> eb0x, i told you that Warty has gtk 2.0
[03:47] <Funraiser> amule works fine here
[03:47] <tritium> several times
[03:47] <eb0x> well it didnt
[03:47] <eb0x> because it said that on warty.
[03:47] <eb0x> and it still says that now that i have upgraded
[03:47] <tritium> eb0x, you need to istall the -dev library if you want to compile
[03:47] <Funraiser> (but bittorent ROCKS)
[03:48] <Funraiser> bram rulezz
[03:48] <projectmayhem> funraiser my ports won't open with bittorrent don't ask me why...
[03:48] <projectmayhem> funraiser i open my ports to use azureus and i never get a good signal..i always get like 1 kb max
[03:48] <thunter77> how about getting latest version of firefox on warty.... can use use synaptic to do it and if so what about the no root password problem?
[03:48] <Funraiser> projectmayhem are u familiar with portforwarding?
[03:49] <tritium> eb0x, you need libgtk2.0-dev
[03:49] <tritium> eb0x, and that was also available in Warty, as I told you
[03:49] <projectmayhem> funraiser a little... i've looked it up how to do it on google and followed all the directions
[03:49] <Funraiser> projectmayhem are u behind a NAT?
[03:49] <projectmayhem> funraiser NAT?
[03:49] <ikama> anybody has also probs with udev and usb bluetooth dongle (rfcomm is not created)
[03:50] <eb0x> tritium: Which -dev thing do I need?
[03:50] <projectmayhem> Funraiser i'll be right back but hold that thought... g2 reboot gnome
[03:50] <eb0x> There are a bunch of gtk things
[03:50] <curator> Anyone know what might cause a "Failed to create filesystem" when doing an install?  Happens after partitioning regardless of which fs I choose.
[03:50] <Funraiser> ok
[03:50] <tritium> eb0x, see my last message to you
[03:50] <tritium> eb0x,  libgtk2.0-dev
[03:50] <dazed> curator are u trying to install on NTFS?
[03:50] <tritium> eb0x, that's in both Warty and Hoary.  You didn't have to upgrade just for that
[03:51] <thunter77> hi people... anybody have a clue on how about getting latest version of firefox on warty.... can you use synaptic to do it and if so what about the no root password problem?
[03:51] <curator> I have NTFS on hda1, created new partition hda2 and tried to format as ext3.
[03:51] <curator> With swap on hda3.
[03:51] <goldfish> thunter77: the pass is your login password
[03:51] <candrews> hey all, quick question: I have a dothan laptop, and whenever I boot from the live cd, i get Grub stage 1.5, then "Error 21" any alternative cd images i can try? will this affect me if i install it on my HDD?
[03:51] <dazed> and it said failed to create file system??
[03:51] <dazed> on a fresh partition?
[03:51] <curator> Yeah.  And if I use the livecd to format the file system and try to just mount it instead, it tells me errors were detected.
[03:52] <dazed> awkward...
[03:52] <Funraiser> projectmayhem is your PC part of a LAN ?
[03:52] <dazed> very...
[03:52] <thunter77> I am used to free debian way of thinking... apt-get anything
[03:52] <projectmayhem> Funraiser yeah
[03:52] <curator> I must be doing something stupid.  :)
[03:52] <Funraiser> see that's the problem
[03:52] <dazed> i cant think of what it is
[03:52] <Funraiser> so u have a router somewhere?
[03:52] <projectmayhem> funraiser i have a static IP though, is my router still blocking it?
[03:53] <Funraiser> u router doesn't know where to send all that
[03:53] <Funraiser> when u use bittorrent
[03:53] <projectmayhem> funraiser can i tell my router where to send it?
[03:53] <Funraiser> yes
[03:53] <ShadowRage> what country is ubuntu based out of?
[03:53] <Funraiser> that's called portforwarding
[03:53] <ShadowRage> if the US, what state
[03:53] <error_29> South Africa, i think.
[03:53] <desrt> estonia
[03:53] <candrews> grub error 21? help? :-)
[03:53] <Funraiser> just forward one port
[03:53] <curator> If I switch to another console away from the install and ls in /dev, I don't see the hda* entries there.  Is that normal?
[03:54] <Funraiser> to your IP on the LAN (it starts by 192.168 etc
[03:54] <hou5ton> ok ... used Outport to get calendar and contacts into Evolution ... seemed to work pretty well ... but for some reason the contacts are not visible when addresing an email
[03:54] <hou5ton> and help?
[03:54] <ShadowRage> desrt: really?
[03:54] <hou5ton> *any*
[03:54] <desrt> ShadowRage; no :)
[03:54] <projectmayhem> funraiser how do i double check my IP address?
[03:54] <ShadowRage> really, what country?
[03:54] <Funraiser> and it azureus tell it which port it is
[03:54] <projectmayhem> i know the first part is 192.168.1.something
[03:55] <ikama> error_29,  could you helpme pleeeease?
[03:55] <eyequeue> projectmayhem:  ifconfig
[03:55] <projectmayhem> what port should i open?
[03:55] <Funraiser> projectmayhem we are talking about your IP adress on the LAN, not the one seen from the outside
[03:55] <Funraiser> u can pick anyone u want to in the 50000 range
[03:56] <goldfish> projectmayhem: port 6881 for azureus
[03:56] <projectmayhem> funraiser so which one is that on ifconfig list?
[03:56] <tritium> inet addr:
[03:56] <Funraiser> it starts by 192.168.something
[03:56] <dazed> its the local ip
[03:56] <projectmayhem> funraiser ok its inet addr not bcast
[03:56] <Funraiser> how many PC are there in your LAN
[03:56] <Funraiser> ?
[03:57] <projectmayhem> 2 in actuality, but my one computer is a dual boot so the router sees three
[03:57] <ponds_> Installed Hoary preview from cd -> Gnome won't start, gdm works fine, other WMs work fine, anyone seen this?
[03:57] <thunter77> per www.distrowatch.com isle of man
[03:57] <hou5ton> tritium:   hey ... got Outport and got the calendar and contacts in Evolution.... and can veiw each of them ... except when I am addressing an email .. then the contacts don't show up???
[03:57] <hou5ton> any ideas?
[03:57] <geppy|fooding> Anyone in here know about nvidia/2.6.11?
[03:57] <Funraiser> network settings (here in ubuntu) hosts , u see your ip number
[03:58] <tritium> hou5ton, what do you mean they don't show up?
[03:58] <hou5ton> tritium:   when you are addressing an email, and click on the TO button, they aren't there.
[03:58] <tritium> hou5ton, you have the right address book selected?
[03:58] <hou5ton> tritium: there's only one there
[03:59] <tritium> hou5ton, but your contact list shows them?
[03:59] <Funraiser> projectmayhem: computer/system configuration/networking/hosts
[03:59] <ikama> udev doesn' creates nodes for rfcomm (bluetooth)
[03:59] <hou5ton> tritium:   hep
[03:59] <ikama> why
[03:59] <hou5ton> yep
[03:59] <tritium> hou5ton, don't know...
[03:59] <ikama> it seems all is configured ok
[04:00] <sproingie> hm why cant i find a kernel-source package for 2.6.11?
[04:00] <Funraiser> and then 192.168.bla bla...u go to your router settings and say for 50134 tcp "your ip here" 50134 tcp (or something like that depending on router config)
[04:00] <sal002> Hello!
[04:00] <dazed> i live in the blazeabego
[04:00] <sproingie> latest i can see is for 2.6.9
[04:00] <Funraiser> and then 192.168.bla bla...u go to your router settings and say for 50134 tcp "your ip here" 50134 tcp (or something like that depending on router config)
[04:00] <ikama> sal002, hello
[04:00] <sal002> Anyone have Ubunut get through stage 1, reboot and then just come up with root prompt?
[04:01] <Funraiser> my bad
[04:01] <projectmayhem> funraiser is it just tcp or both? i thought azureus just said to open both ports...
[04:01] <Funraiser> just tcp
[04:01] <sal002> ikama, hello
[04:01] <Funraiser> both tcp and udp u mean?
[04:01] <Gfault> how custom ubuntu ?
[04:01] <projectmayhem> funraiser yeah
[04:01] <Funraiser> i did just tcp and it works well...pretty fast
[04:02] <projectmayhem> funraiser ok
[04:02] <Gfault> how custom ubuntu-live ?
[04:02] <nixman> darn my usb mouse has light until the hotplug starts up. i see USB HC TakeOver failed
[04:02] <sal002> I am now using dselect to get the rest of the packages, but isn't warty supposed to install X and all that?
[04:02] <Funraiser> 67KB/sec as we speak, on one file only
[04:02] <ikama> sal002, do you know something about udev
[04:02] <sal002> udev?
[04:02] <DazeD||laptop> funraiser did u do all that to get bittorrents to dl fast?
[04:02] <DazeD||laptop> lol
[04:03] <ikama> yes, the automatik device node creating system
[04:03] <sproingie> i got 400KB/sec from the torrent
[04:03] <Funraiser> all that?
[04:03] <DazeD||laptop> why was it going slow cuz it had to process through your router longer ?
[04:04] <DazeD||laptop> cuz my torrents go slow aswell
[04:04] <sal002> No - sorryikama: sorry - I am new to ubuntu
[04:04] <Funraiser> what is "slow"?
[04:04] <goldfish> you gotta open ports for it
[04:04] <DazeD||laptop> 5kb
[04:04] <DazeD||laptop> 6
[04:04] <txz> DagaZ, do you have the ports forwarded to you machine
[04:04] <ikama> ok
[04:04] <DazeD||laptop> 20 max
[04:04] <DazeD||laptop> on a cable conn
[04:05] <sproingie> if you're not accepting requests, you'll only dl from seeders
[04:05] <Funraiser> sproingie it depends on your upspeed, + depends kind of files downloading
[04:05] <sproingie> which makes it slow
[04:05] <ponds_> has anyone successfully installed off the hoary preview iso?
[04:05] <ponds_> for x86
[04:05] <projectmayhem> ponds i ran live cd
[04:05] <DazeD||laptop> well i just started with bittorrents so im new to all of it and it just goes really slow
[04:05] <SiRrUs> ponds_ yes sir works great
[04:05] <sproingie> i did, but for amd64
[04:05] <DazeD||laptop> so i was wondering how to make it go fast
[04:06] <ponds_> hrm, everything seemed to work for me except gnome will not start
[04:06] <goldfish> Funraiser: where u get torrents from ?
[04:06] <sproingie> i got comparable speeds just downloading it from a .edu mirror
[04:06] <Funraiser> errr...is it ok to give torrent sites here?
[04:06] <sproingie> edu mirrors usually have big bandwidth
[04:06] <DazeD||laptop> sprongie: so if  i accept requests then ill dl faster...how do i accept requests?
[04:06] <goldfish> Funraiser: pm
[04:06] <bryan> DazeD||laptop:  what kinda torrent are you downloading
[04:06] <projectmayhem> ponds sounds like you should try to reinstall... have you rebooted gnome once or twice?
[04:06] <sal002> ikama: I don't even know how to complete the install ;P
[04:06] <bryan> how many seeds are there
[04:06] <DazeD||laptop> music ... moies
[04:06] <bryan> are you connectable?
[04:06] <DazeD||laptop> movies*
[04:07] <bryan> or are you in passive
[04:07] <ponds_> projectmayhem: i havent rebooted any, ive tried to start gnome multiple times though
[04:07] <DazeD||laptop> not many seeds usually sometimse theres a lot
[04:07] <DazeD||laptop> i duno how to be either bryan
[04:07] <SiRrUs> ponds_ try rebooting
[04:07] <ponds_> k, brb
[04:07] <bryan> well, if you have a router, you'll need to forward the ports to your local ip address
[04:07] <projectmayhem> ponds just try to reinstall... did you check the installation log for any errors? that's the best i can give you...
[04:07] <projectmayhem> to the local ip address or the machines ip address?
[04:07] <bryan> and if you've got a software firewall you need to allow connections on the specific ports
[04:07] <error_29> I'm downloading the hoary torrent now, to install on another partition; what should I use (in hoary) to burn the disk?
[04:07] <bryan> your machines local ip
[04:08] <SiRrUs> error_29 graveman works good
[04:08] <sproingie> gaaah emacs defaults are hideous
[04:08] <projectmayhem> bryan ok, i have a router and my machines ip is 192.168.1.30 so i opened port 50134 on that... should that work?
[04:08] <DazeD||laptop> bryan how i go about that...the machine doing the torrents is a windows machine mind you
[04:08] <DazeD||laptop> theres no firewall...its an open wireless hub
[04:08] <sproingie> xemacs has sensible defaults ... but is so slow these days
[04:09] <DazeD||laptop> bryan what should i do?
[04:09] <Funraiser> projectmayhem u have to set that port on azureus now
[04:09] <error_29> Thanks SiRuUs, I'll try it.
[04:09] <projectmayhem> ok but otherwise i should be good
[04:09] <projectmayhem> thanks guys
[04:09] <NeoChaosX> crud
[04:09] <Funraiser> yes
[04:10] <NeoChaosX> I hate how the gxine plugin has to keep buffering a file
[04:10] <Funraiser> when u run the wizard on azureus u can test your port
[04:10] <ponds> k, im embarassed now, thanks SiRrUs and projectmayhem
[04:10] <Funraiser> if it says it's ok then...it's ok
[04:10] <SiRrUs> ponds lol np works ok now?
[04:10] <ponds> yeah :)
[04:10] <SiRrUs> good stuff
[04:11] <NeoChaosX> shouldn't gxine have the capability to keep buffering while it's playing?
[04:11] <Funraiser> goldfish u got the second link?
[04:11] <shadeofgrey> okay guys -- how do i copy all the .ttf files in font:/// (nautilus) to my ~/.fonts folder using nautilus
[04:11] <goldfish> yeah thanks Funraiser
[04:11] <error_29> NeoChaosXWhat is gxine, as opposed to simply xine?
[04:11] <NeoChaosX> i believe gxine is a gnome front end for xine
[04:12] <NeoChaosX> not completely sure
[04:12] <error_29> I had xine running before, fine on its own
[04:12] <jdub> totem-xine is the most elite gnome frontend for xine, though :)
[04:12] <NeoChaosX> I see
[04:12] <SiRrUs> jdub it was worth the wait
[04:12] <error_29> I'm not clear about what "front-ends" are for, actually--
[04:13] <error_29> xine looks great on its own, what does a front-end do?
[04:13] <DazeD||laptop> Funraiser: pm
[04:13] <eyequeue> user interface?
[04:13] <goldfish> user end
[04:13] <Martok> Hey, how do I make oggs play by hovering my mouse over them?
[04:13] <shadeofgrey> what is xine?
[04:13] <NeoChaosX> video player
[04:14] <shadeofgrey> ahhh
[04:14] <error_29> I'd rather have totem acting/looking like xine, than the reverse, personally.
[04:14] <NeoChaosX> what's the best mozila plugin to use with totem-xine?
[04:14] <shadeofgrey> anybody have an answer to my font problem?
[04:14] <farruinn> shadeofgrey: why do you need to do that?
[04:14] <jdub> error_29: totem-xine integrates very nicely into gnome
[04:14] <jdub> error_29: not just look'n'feel
[04:14] <Martok> Hey, how do I make oggs play by hovering my mouse over them?
[04:15] <farruinn> shadeofgrey: I'm pretty sure that if you add fonts to fonts:/// they are put in .fonts
[04:15] <farruinn> shadeofgrey: I don't see the need to duplicate your fonts...
[04:15] <repete> shadeofgrey: what is your problem with fonts?  Sorry, I missed it...
[04:16] <sal002> is there a way to run level 2 of the install from the command line?
[04:16] <shadeofgrey> farruinn:  because i just paid $60 to register my fav. text editor (editpad) and apparently it doesnt link with the regular fontsfolder
[04:16] <Martok> Hey, how do I make oggs play by hovering my mouse over them?
[04:16] <shadeofgrey> and its VERY hasrd to write 300 pages of manuscript using the base ubuntu fonts
[04:16] <shadeofgrey> really all i want is for editpad to be able to use "Day Roman" ...  idont care about any of the others really
[04:17] <eyequeue> how does a font effect writing?
[04:17] <farruinn> shadeofgrey: hm, I still don't think copying the fonts to ~/.fonts is the right solutoin, but have you tried opening two nautilus windows?
[04:17] <shadeofgrey> and i would assume that i have to put it in the ~/.fonts area for my user
[04:17] <eyequeue> isn't a font eye candy?
[04:17] <Martok> Hey, how do I make oggs play by hovering my mouse over them?
[04:17] <farruinn> Martok: that is _not_ the way to get help here
[04:18] <farruinn> we heard you the last five times
[04:18] <Martok> What's the way to get help?
[04:18] <shadeofgrey> okay well...  ive already moved all the ttfs into font:///  -- editpad isnt showing any of the ones i copied in its list of availables.  butevery other word processor on disk can see them... theres over 900 in all
[04:18] <Martok> I just figured nobody saw what I was typing.
[04:19] <shadeofgrey> believe us.  we see you
[04:19] <error_29> Hmm, well, the thing is jdub, i kind of like less "integrated" stuff some times; hard to explain, but after a while apps looking so uniform gets tiring
[04:19] <farruinn> Martok: ask your question, if someone knows the answer they'll give you an answer, but please wait at least 10 or 15 minutes before repeating the question
[04:19] <eyequeue> shadeofgrey:  sounds lke yur commercial app isn't confured to look in standard places?
[04:19] <bryan_> i see, and i have no idea
[04:19] <Martok> I guess nobody knows how to help me then.
[04:19] <shadeofgrey> its editpad pro
[04:19] <eyequeue> shadeofgrey:  what docs come with it for that price?
[04:19] <Martok> Thanks
[04:19] <shadeofgrey> martok:  www.ubuntuguide.org is a good place to start
[04:20] <Martok> Ubuntu guide does have my problem.
[04:20] <eyequeue> shadeofgrey:  does the man page say where it looks?
[04:20] <shadeofgrey> nope
[04:20] <Martok> Doesn't*
[04:20] <shadeofgrey> lemme try google one more time
[04:20] <Funraiser> in spain torrents are legal ----> ain't spanish cool people ?
[04:20] <eyequeue> shadeofgrey:  strace perhaps
[04:21] <farruinn> Martok: honestly I've never heard of anything like that before
[04:21] <goldfish> shadeofgrey: u want to move them all?
[04:21] <goldfish> shadeofgrey: that's all u want to do?
[04:21] <shadeofgrey> goldfish:  no.  just one
[04:21] <eyequeue> Funraiser:  legal here too
[04:21] <goldfish> k
[04:21] <Funraiser> where ?
[04:21] <eyequeue> Funraiser:  us
[04:21] <dazed> illegal torrents are out there
[04:21] <Martok> farruinn: In Ubuntu I can play Mp3s and Wavs by hovering my mouse over the icons. Just not oggs.
[04:21] <jdub> error_29: it's not just the look'n'feel :)
[04:21] <Martok> It's weird.
[04:21] <dazed> but torrents are legal
[04:21] <eyequeue> Funraiser:  you can d/l a nuber of linux distros that way
[04:21] <goldfish> they are
[04:22] <shadeofgrey> goldfish:  are you an editpad pro user?
[04:22] <farruinn> Martok: do you hear the entire song or is it some sort of "preview"?
[04:22] <goldfish> shadeofgrey: nope
[04:22] <Martok> The entire song.
[04:22] <Funraiser> yeah well let's say 99% of torrents are illegal
[04:22] <farruinn> shadeofgrey: what do you have in ~/.fonts now?
[04:22] <dazed> just the ones u think that would be illegal like ones where ud usually have to pay for it those are illegal
[04:22] <dazed> lol yeah funraiser
[04:22] <goldfish> shadeofgrey: I just saw your all files from one folder to another question
[04:22] <shadeofgrey> farruinn:  i dont know how to look in the  /.fonts folder
[04:23] <shadeofgrey> with terminal
[04:23] <shadeofgrey> ?
[04:23] <eyequeue> Funraiser:  quess i've never been exposed to those
[04:23] <repete> Martok: not sure I know in which context you are speaking...
[04:23] <farruinn> shadeofgrey: cd ~ ; ls .fonts
[04:23] <Funraiser> really
[04:23] <dazed> alright all well time to head down to the buddies house and abuse his wireless connection hahah
[04:23] <eyequeue> shadeofgrey:  ls -la ~/.fonts/
[04:23] <repete> Martok: in Nautilus?  Like getting a preview?
[04:23] <Funraiser> eyequeue...well i haven't either!
[04:23] <Martok> repete: Yeah, but it plays the whole song.
[04:23] <eyequeue> Funraiser:  heh
[04:23] <sal002> Okay..anyone getting an error installing new iptables?
[04:24] <goldfish> Martok: how to you get them to play by hovering over them?
[04:24] <repete> Martok: where have you seen this feature before?
[04:24] <farruinn> Martok: that preview thing is set to preview files of only a certain size by default - are the oggs too big?
[04:24] <Martok> farriunn: Let me check.
[04:24] <Martok> goldfish: They just play.
[04:24] <Martok> repete: In nautilius
[04:24] <eyequeue> sal002:  if it helps any, someone seemed to be asking about iptables earlier
[04:25] <sal002> okay...
[04:25] <eyequeue> sal002:  check bugzilla if no one replies
[04:25] <Martok> farruninn: No, the ogg is smaller then the wav.
[04:25] <shadeofgrey> they're all in there
[04:25] <sal002> But no one knows how to finish an install?  What is the apt-get name for xfree?
[04:25] <shadeofgrey> amazing
[04:25] <dazed||oot> peace yall
[04:25] <farruinn> Martok: heh, weird
[04:25] <shadeofgrey> ...why dont they show up then?
[04:25] <Martok> Yeah!
[04:25] <farruinn> Martok: is there a gstreamer plugin for ogg? maybe you need that?
[04:25] <eyequeue> sal002:  xserver-xfree86
[04:25] <farruinn> shadeofgrey: the program isn't looking there
[04:25] <eyequeue> sal002:  warty?
[04:26] <sal002> No..my install after first reboot just brought up a prompt
[04:26] <error_29> ok ok jdub, i believe you!  I'll check 'em all out! ;-)
[04:26] <sal002> yes
[04:26] <farruinn> shadeofgrey: does the program have its own fonts directory?
[04:26] <Martok> farriunn: I don't know. I'm still an ogg/gnu/linux newbie.
[04:26] <bur[n] er> anyoen know if the latest ubuntu release includes a bootsplash?
[04:26] <sal002> argh!  can't find package!
[04:26] <jdub> bur[n] er: it doesn't.
[04:26] <mikep> just upgraded to hoary. the install was a little long but went smooth. so far so good.
[04:26] <eyequeue> sal002:  apt-get install gdm perhaps
[04:26] <jdub> bur[n] er: we're not going to use bootsplash itself, ever.
[04:27] <bur[n] er> a bootpslash alternative?  or just nothing?
[04:27] <jdub> bur[n] er: we were hoping to ship a userspace graphical boot thingy, but were unable to.
[04:27] <jdub> hopefully next release
[04:27] <bur[n] er> aww, righto, just curious :)
[04:27] <difekta> graphical boot?
[04:27] <difekta> it already has a splash screen.
[04:27] <difekta> oh!  you mean like instead of grub's text?
[04:27] <jdub> difekta: no, the entire boot process
[04:27] <farruinn> Martok: make sure gstreamer-vorbis is installed
[04:27] <shadeofgrey> i havent the slightest idea
[04:27] <difekta> dude, ubuntu is seriously starting to look like something grandma could use.
[04:27] <bur[n] er> bootsplash needs a special kernel thing... is that built into the ubuntu kernel so I can add one post-install?  or do I need to make my own if i want a pretty boot up?
[04:27] <difekta> jdub:  uh..like i said, grub?
[04:28] <shadeofgrey> farruinn:  but it would seem to be the case hmmmm?
[04:28] <difekta> oh no, i see what you mean.
[04:28] <bur[n] er> difekta: after grub... before gnome
[04:28] <eyequeue> difekta:  i've already installed it for a greatgrandmother
[04:28] <difekta> right.
[04:28] <Funraiser> difekta maybe not grandma but mum yes
[04:28] <sal002> hmm..where are my apt-get sources configured?
[04:28] <jdub> difekta: grub is the bootloader, only appears for a couple of seconds. the boot process includes everything after that until gdm appears.
[04:28] <eyequeue> Funraiser:    i've already installed it for a greatgrandmother
[04:28] <difekta> yup.
[04:28] <Funraiser> and is she "using" it?
[04:28] <error_29> just as long as prettier doesn't mean slower...
[04:29] <eyequeue> yes
[04:29] <farruinn> shadeofgrey: if you paid 60 bucks for the thing I'd imagine you could get some support for it
[04:29] <farruinn> shadeofgrey: or at least check its documentation
[04:29] <ponds> anyone tried gnome-keyring yet? i cant seem to find what im supposed to run to get the ui...
[04:29] <difekta> i still really think that non-critical services should boot as a last priority to getting the login up.
[04:29] <Funraiser> that greatgrandmother is 60?
[04:29] <shadeofgrey> yeah i concur
[04:29] <shadeofgrey> thanks for the help tho guys
[04:30] <sproingie> linux has always been good for ultra-novice users
[04:30] <eyequeue> Funraiser:  firefox and mahjong seem her primary apps
[04:30] <Funraiser> lol
[04:30] <sproingie> it's the ones that want to be power users that run into real confusion
[04:30] <eyequeue> Funraiser:  older actually
[04:30] <Funraiser> nice
[04:30] <difekta> yeah, those power users who wanted to burn cd's.
[04:30] <Funraiser> well that's good news for linux
[04:31] <sproingie> when something doesn't work for a novice, it's just something that computer won't do
[04:31] <difekta> or have their drives automatically be mounted.
[04:31] <sproingie> for medium users, when their printer isnt supported, say, then well dagnabit, what's going on, how am i gonna fix this, what is all this, etc
[04:31] <Funraiser> but when something works flawlessly, it useless
[04:31] <farruinn> sproingie: but that is how they learn
[04:31] <difekta> what's wrong with this line that stops users from being able to access this drive? /dev/hdb1       /mnt/hd2        ntfs     rw,user        0       0
[04:31] <farruinn> Funraiser: what?!
[04:32] <sproingie> some people don't care about learning.  i dont want to learn how my AC works
[04:32] <sproingie> i just want it to work
[04:32] <eyequeue> rw and ntfs together?
[04:32] <difekta> oh duh
[04:32] <hayden> can someone tell me what is wrong with this c statement-> strcmp(argv[1] , "EXIT") = 0)
[04:32] <hayden> if
[04:32] <sproingie> i know basically how my transmission works.  but god knows i don't want to learn exactly how
[04:32] <difekta> no no..that's not the problem.
[04:32] <sproingie> hayden: sure there's an argv[1] ?
[04:32] <PacoBCN> hi there
[04:32] <SiRrUs> hello
[04:32] <PacoBCN> still problems recording DVDs
[04:33] <sproingie> hayden: and it looks like assignment and not equality.  could be my font
[04:33] <PacoBCN> looks like images can't be stored in fat32 partitions
[04:33] <eyequeue> sproingie:  here too
[04:33] <hayden> yea
[04:33] <mrproper> Could someone help me test a problem with gnome-launch-box
[04:33] <PacoBCN> as well as Azureus can't store in fat32
[04:33] <sproingie> hayden: compiling with -Wall should have screamed bloody murder ... assuming it would compile at all
[04:33] <hayden> sproingie, i want to compare if they both equal the same then do something
[04:34] <sproingie> i imagine it wouldn't compile.  add another equals sign.  check argc to make sure you HAVE an arg while you're at it
[04:34] <eyequeue> ==
[04:34] <sproingie> use strncmp unless you really want to force 'em to use uppercase
[04:35] <hayden> sproingie, does that ignore case?
[04:35] <sproingie> hayden: that's precisely what it does
[04:35] <difekta> does anyone know what's wrong with my fstab entry?
[04:35] <hayden> ok ill use that instead
[04:35] <Funraiser> farruinn when something works very well very often that is because it is old and has been tested extensively, when it's flawless that means it's old and people are using something else, newer, but with...flaws...hence when it's flawless, it's useless
[04:35] <PacoBCN> ok, Azureus issue solved
[04:35] <asubedi> so the new kernel does not have sonypi compiled?
[04:35] <curator> Anyone have any idea while formatting a new partition during ubuntu install might fail?  Tried ext3, ext2, reiserfs, and even fat16.
[04:36] <sproingie> hayden: but check argc to make sure you have that many args.  otherwise crashie crashie
[04:36] <sproingie> i dont recommend fat16 :)
[04:36] <sproingie> curator: fail how?
[04:36] <curator> Yeah, I know, but just making sure nothing worked.  :)
[04:36] <hayden> yep
[04:37] <curator> The background turns red and it says "failed creating filesystem".  It then pops back to the partition screen.
[04:37] <sproingie> ah nice.  is there an error log on another vc?
[04:37] <hayden> sproingie, if i type this to run the program is EXIT argv[0]  or [1]       ./a.out EXIT
[04:37] <sproingie> maybe alt-f2 will show you?  i dont know ubuntu installer that well
[04:38] <eyequeue> try both alt-f2 and alt-f3, i'm not sure which either
[04:38] <curator> Found it.  Bunch of errors.  Looks like the problem occurs when running /sbin/tune2fs
[04:38] <sproingie> hayden: argv[0]  is the name of the program you run.  your args start at argv[1] 
[04:38] <hayden> ok
[04:38] <curator> no such file with /dev/ide/host0/target0/lun0/part2 ?
[04:39] <hayden> sproingie, i am used to java where the args start at arg[0]  i believe
[04:39] <sproingie> hayden: it's easier to think of argv as representing the whole command line
[04:39] <sproingie> hayden: there's lots of programs that actually change behavior on argv[0] .  busybox for one
[04:39] <Funraiser> personnaly i'm not using ubuntu because windows sucks (xp never crashed on me..)but only because it's free
[04:40] <hayden> ok
[04:40] <eyequeue> hayden:  0 is used to see "what was i invoked as?" sometimes
[04:40] <hayden> yep
[04:40] <sproingie> changing argv[0]  is one of those things that used to be deep magic
[04:40] <sproingie> nowadays it's almost portable
[04:41] <cbgb> what can i do with my resolution with ubuntu 1024X768 85 Hz does not work
[04:41] <sproingie> Funraiser:  i use and like both linux and windows.  for very different reasons
[04:41] <error_29> comparing linux with windows is kind of silly nowadays; for me, windows means all the terrific open source stuff written for windows or ported to it.
[04:41] <hayden> hmm, i changed the strcmp statement to this -> if (strncmp(argv[1] , "exit", 81) == 0)                but if i type EXIT as argv[1]  it doesnt do as it should?
[04:41] <hayden> but works with "exit"
[04:42] <sproingie> error_29: right on
[04:42] <curator> Okay, trying to format hda2, both mke2fs and tune2fs complain no such file /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part2.  There is in fact no such file there.  Any clue what I've messed up?
[04:43] <sproingie> i see MS sorta like the catholic church.  it moves steadily to enlightened modernity ... but at its own damn pace
[04:43] <Funraiser> night all!
[04:43] <Funraiser> errr...
[04:43] <PacoBCN> question for you all. Is it possible to allow nautilus/graveman to store the temp ISO images in a fat32 partition?
[04:43] <Funraiser> catholics to enlight modernity?
[04:44] <error_29> "blue nuns of death"
[04:44] <sproingie> Funraiser: hey, darwinian evolution is in the official vatican dogma
[04:44] <PacoBCN> sproingie, false
[04:45] <PacoBCN> sproingie, actually in some states of US they want teachers not to teach darwinian theory
[04:45] <Funraiser> it is only because they can fight evidences too long
[04:45] <Funraiser> they HAD to accept darwin
[04:45] <sproingie> might take 'em a couple hundred years to get on the social issues ... anyway, parallel of it with MS is that they're almost supporting OSS development
[04:45] <sproingie> they won't opensource anything of theirs, but they're giving ALL the API's away
[04:45] <error_29> actually, the religion analogy makes some sense:  Windows, Catholic (comparatively monolithic, though subvertible)
[04:45] <nixman> is there a utility to increase freq scaling on laptops ?
[04:45] <error_29> linux, Protestant with an insane number of "distros"
[04:46] <hayden> sproingie, i changed to strncmp() but it doesnt handle different cases (lower or upper)
[04:46] <sproingie> PacoBCN: i think you'll find it's not the vatican pushing that.  anyway, that's klinda not the point
[04:46] <Funraiser> like they had to accept earth revolving around the sun, but if REASON was not there, catholics where still believing sun rotates around the earth and species are always the same
[04:46] <HrdwrBoB> error_29: well no, not really
[04:47] <sproingie> well, there's institutions and there's followers
[04:47] <sproingie> which sorta dovetails with the whole OSS thing sometimes
[04:47] <error_29> I can't give you a count of either protestant denominations, or linux flavors; new ones all the time
[04:47] <HrdwrBoB> last time I checked
[04:47] <sproingie> probably worth recalling that unix sucked until it was "freed"
[04:48] <error_29> but all with the same damn work ethic!
[04:48] <HrdwrBoB> no-one had actually killed anyone because they used a different OS
[04:48] <sproingie> at&t was basically sitting on it doing nothing, then BSD came out
[04:48] <Funraiser> but the vatican did accept Darwinian theories, how amazing..
[04:49] <error_29> The Church just had a hard time giving up Aristotle and Ptolemy, and other pet pagans.
[04:49] <sproingie> Funraiser: not so much accepted as stopped challenging them as incompatible, anyway
[04:49] <sproingie> which is pretty much the same thing
[04:50] <Funraiser> i remember the exact phrasing but that's amazing enough
[04:50] <Funraiser> *don't*
[04:51] <error_29> Wasn't MSDOS ripped off from something free...?
[04:51] <tizen> no they bought it
[04:51] <Oppossum> I am willing to try an installation of warty on an old thinkpad wich cannot boot from cdrom. Any idea? Is there any floppy boot images?
[04:51] <Funraiser> i don't know how they make that compatible with Maria being pregnant by an angel though...
[04:52] <tizen> Guys, is there any public ubuntu apt servers? I'm getting annoyed with these huge speed fluctuations... from 6kB/s to 600 kB/s
[04:52] <sproingie> error_29: sure, CP/M
[04:52] <Oppossum> I am willing to try an installation of warty on an old thinkpad wich cannot boot from cdrom. Any idea? Is there any floppy boot images? please msg-me
[04:53] <sproingie> error_29: QDOS (Quick and Dirty Operating System) was legitimately bought by MS.  turns out that QDOS was largely machine-translated from CP/M binaries
[04:53] <sproingie> error_29: right down to the easter eggs
[04:53] <Teal`c> this will be neat.. trying to preserve my uptime, so i'm gonna have to disable my main drive to pull out the one i want
[04:53] <calamari> hi
[04:53] <Teal`c> hope it doesnt crash the system
[04:54] <sproingie> not that CP/M didn't really suck though.  at least QDOS was 16-bit, CP/M wasn't
[04:55] <nixman> where am i supposed to add options for modules ? /etc/modules ?
[04:55] <Funraiser> so windows comes from something that was called "dirty operating system" ?
[04:55] <kapputu> evolution not working after upgrade to hoary
[04:55] <kapputu> in fact it crashes
[04:55] <nixman> Funraiser: windows was invented by a free mason
[04:56] <sproingie> Funraiser: yep, every time you type a backslash, remember that it's just a Quick and Dirty OS
[04:56] <Funraiser> oh my
[04:56] <sproingie> seriously tho, NT's a fine OS.  it's the compatibility crap that sucks
[04:57] <Oppossum> come on i'm sure this place is full of linux gurus... I wish to install ubuntu on a laptop with a non-bootable cdrom drive. Any idea?
[04:57] <kapputu> floppy disks ?
[04:57] <Funraiser> no
[04:57] <sproingie> Funraiser:  NT (including XP) gets its roots from a more respectable OS: VMS
[04:57] <Oppossum> yes but wich image?
[04:58] <kapputu> I was just shooting in the dark, I'm sorry
[04:58] <Funraiser> nt and xp don't have the same roots as w98/2000?
[04:58] <nixman> Oppossum: what do you mean ?
[04:58] <kapputu> wait
[04:58] <kapputu> you used to be able to do that from the dos prompt
[04:58] <sal002>  is there a manual install procedure?
[04:58] <Burgundavia> Oppossum: I haven't the foggiest idea how to implement it, but you can something like damn small and go from there
[04:58] <sproingie> Funraiser: w2k is also based on NT.  98 is not, it's DOS underneath
[04:59] <Funraiser> k
[04:59] <nixman> Oppossum: there are floppy disks for debian, i am sure ubuntu has them as well !
[04:59] <kapputu> with RH you used to be able to do loadlin from the dos prompt
[04:59] <sal002> I just want to know what I need to do to complete my install
[04:59] <sal002> I am now doing an apt-get install gdm.
[04:59] <sproingie> Funraiser: the difference between w2k and xp is about as much between debian and ubuntu
[04:59] <kapputu> the firefox dns resolution problem has gone away with hoary
[05:00] <kapputu> yeah it's just eyecandy on top of w2k
[05:00] <kapputu> w2k was very stable when I started using it even tho it was just a beta
[05:00] <sproingie> kapputu: and a few extra services
[05:00] <sproingie> kapputu: and crippled pipe throughput, for some strange reason
[05:00] <kapputu> hmm no idea on that
[05:01] <kapputu> upgrading the packages in hoary
[05:01] <kapputu> anything I should notice?
[05:01] <Funraiser> all right good night all
[05:02] <SiRrUs> kapputu yeah a blinding white light
[05:03] <kapputu> lol
[05:03] <kapputu> better than a BSOD
[05:04] <SiRrUs> i feel left out no updates since i installed the preview :(
[05:04] <kapputu> why not?
[05:04] <SiRrUs> think it has all the updates
[05:05] <sproingie> unless it's today's preview, i doubt it
[05:06] <SiRrUs> sproingie there was only one preview was there not?
[05:06] <sproingie> i thought the previews were snapshots
[05:06] <kapputu> I tried out the kubuntu live cd, it was good
[05:06] <SiRrUs> the preview release came out today
[05:06] <sproingie> i run kubuntu, more or less.  installed it from plain ubuntu hoary
[05:07] <sproingie> btw, does ubuntu have a branch like "sid", i.e. always unstable?
[05:07] <sal002> How do I get ubuntu to boot into gdm?
[05:07] <SiRrUs> sproingie hoary is still considered unstable
[05:07] <kapputu> I'm not able to access webmail from firefox
[05:07] <regeya_> so tempted by kubuntu
[05:08] <sproingie> SiRrUs: yah but when it goes stable, it won't be like sid
[05:08] <kapputu> not sure if I'm missing something
[05:08] <sproingie> i guess asking people to update their sources.list every 6 months is fair
[05:08] <kapputu> regeya_: kubuntu is super
[05:08] <SiRrUs> when its stable the next release is scheduled for october
[05:08] <sproingie> being on the bleeding edge requires a little vigilance ;)
[05:08] <regeya_> on the one hand gnome is getting so good with usability...otoh, it seems that for every release of gnome, a few features disappear forever
[05:08] <SiRrUs> :)
[05:08] <sal002> okay..what runlevel is gdm?
[05:08] <Quest-Master> Hoary is quite stable now.. I upgraded to it a few days ago, and haven't noticed any difference in stability from it and Warty
[05:09] <Quest-Master> Only the goodness of being able to run all of the latest applications. :)
[05:09] <SiRrUs> yeah i nstalled the preview today works great
[05:09] <regeya_> now's when people start bombarding me with "well what disappeared no shut up you don't know what you're talking about just fire up a terminal and add this gconf key genuflect turn around three times and fart out your nose can't believe you didn't think that was easy"
[05:09] <werfu> help, I just tryed to install ubuntu and it messed up my partition table...
[05:09] <werfu> :(
[05:09] <sproingie> Quest-Master: for gnome.  kubuntu hoary is definitely bleeding edge at times
[05:09] <Quest-Master> Ah, perhaps.
[05:10] <sal002> heh..in my experience even warty is unstable ;)
[05:10] <werfu> do someone know a recovery tool for linux^
[05:10] <werfu> :S
[05:10] <sproingie> i liked gnome til they just up and switched the buttons around.  that sorta soured me
[05:11] <error_29> I was happily using kde's kicker in warty gnome, but now it looks like kubuntu or whatever has kind of messed it up, at least in hoary, the kicker now is awful
[05:12] <sproingie> konq definitely has bells and whistles, ioslaves for everything.  nautilus has some nice architecture underneath.
[05:12] <sproingie> they should definitely pay attention to each other
[05:12] <regeya_> indeed.
[05:12] <regeya_> so, does kmenuedit still work? ;-)
[05:13] <dizzie> FOTM tvcard software? (I got a pinaccle card)
[05:13] <regeya_> kde is definitely paying attention to gnome; they've pledged to clean up usability issues
[05:13] <regeya_> and gnome is...um...gnome is...uh...cleaning up gnome.
[05:13] <sproingie> i dunno.  kde's bleeding edge is definitely more featureful but more broken than gnome's
[05:14] <sproingie> i live for danger tho.  my DE goes away, i run twm til it's fixed :)
[05:14] <regeya_> in gnome's defense, they're doing things right that even apple gets way wrong.
[05:14] <kapputu> checking my conn
[05:15] <lunitik> sproingie: TWM? gah... so many better choices... 'apt-cache search x-window-manager'
[05:15] <sproingie> could gnome hire someone who likes color tho?  the default theme, my god
[05:15] <regeya_> heh...I think that's also a usability thing
[05:15] <sal002> argh!!  What are the available xservers?
[05:15] <lunitik> sproingie: you can edit the theme colors... but there are so many themes, you don't have to use the default....
[05:15] <kapputu> sproingie: do u know of any good theme?
[05:16] <error_29> I wish kde would tone down its theming.  evert damn little popup utility has to be themed to death...
[05:16] <lunitik> kapputu: gtk2-engines-clearlooks
[05:16] <sproingie> lunitik: yahbut i just run irc, some terms, a browser window... i make my expiations for the sins of breakage with a retrograde wm until penance is made and it works again ;)
[05:16] <kapputu> is that a package lunitik
[05:16] <regeya_> has kde switched to plastik for default, or is it still *shudder* keramik?
[05:16] <lunitik> kapputu: yup... apt-get install it.
[05:16] <kaplanfx> is it possible to upgrade from a Debian SID install to ubuntu?
[05:16] <sproingie> kapputu: yah, i pick the qt theme engine and use plastik
[05:16] <sproingie> regeya_: it's plastik by default now
[05:16] <error_29> iceWM has some really nice themes
[05:17] <kapputu> what's plastik?
[05:17] <sproingie> karamik was abominable
[05:17] <lunitik> kapputu: apt-cache search gtk2-engine to see all the ones that are compiled in the archive.
[05:17] <sproingie> kapputu: kde's default theme.  very subtle and pretty
[05:17] <kaplanfx> also is x.org for ubuntu built with evdev patches?
[05:17] <kapputu> actually I'm upgrading to hoary right now
[05:17] <sal002> How do you upgrade to hoary?
[05:17] <lunitik> sproingie: thank god they went with Plastik as default for 3.4 I say.
[05:17] <regeya_> with the right colorscheme keramik wasn't quite so ass-like
[05:17] <kapputu> change sources.list to hoary instead of warty
[05:17] <SiRrUs> sal002 why not just d/l burn and install the preview relaese
[05:17] <neom> Look how bored I got tonight.
[05:18] <neom> http://home.neom.ca/kubuntu2.jpg
[05:18] <sproingie> SPEAKING OF BLEEDING EDGE
[05:18] <sproingie> CAPS LOCK
[05:18] <sal002> I'll do that...I'm just so frustrated with getting warty to work...
[05:18] <sproingie> sorry
[05:18] <lunitik> SiRrUs: saves time.
[05:18] <factotum> heh, 4 years and I finaly found something to stick with
[05:18] <SiRrUs> lunitik hmmm not really
[05:18] <sproingie> plastik is like XP's silver theme, but not nearly as garish
[05:18] <error_29> sal002, easy to upgrade through Synaptic; just change all "warty" references to "hoary" and do a smart update
[05:19] <sproingie> you'd think that with MS's billions, that they would make buttons that don't use GRADIENTS
[05:19] <factotum> ubuntu running xfce, never would have thought
[05:19] <sal002> heh...Synaptic GUI based?
[05:19] <lunitik> SiRrUs: uhh... change one file... and type 1 command isn't faster than burning a CD, installing... then upgrading again?
[05:19] <sproingie> let alone inverting the gradients.  "flexing, like so much cheap plastic"
[05:19] <error_29> though if you've messed around a lot with warty already, upgrading might break stuff.
[05:19] <sal002> factotum: I want it to run xpde ;)
[05:19] <lunitik> SiRrUs: seems illogical, why not cut the crap out and just upgrade?
[05:19] <error_29> forget about it if you've been adding backports etc
[05:19] <regeya_> indeed sproingie...no excuse for apple beating ms to the punch
[05:19] <regeya_> and by so many years
[05:19] <kapputu> what are backports?
[05:20] <regeya_> YEARS
[05:20] <SiRrUs> lunitik do you get the new desktop with the upgrade?
[05:20] <lunitik> SiRrUs: uhh... yes
[05:20] <sproingie> regeya_: actually, the "lickable" widgets are horrid.  i can stand them for about 10 minutes
[05:20] <kapputu> new desktop??
[05:20] <SiRrUs> lunitik guess your correct then
[05:20] <error_29> sal002, yes Synaptic packaage manaager is gui for apt-get
[05:20] <kapputu> what new desktop
[05:20] <lunitik> kapputu: 2.8 to 2.10...
[05:20] <kapputu> oh ok
[05:20] <SiRrUs> kapputu after your upgrade let me know about your new desktop
[05:21] <sal002> error_29: I am about 30 steps from that...since my install stopped midway
[05:21] <kapputu> what are the major  differences
[05:21] <regeya_> I deal with 'em all the time, sproingie.  with the graphite colorscheme you can ignore it easily (which is what you want an interface to be, ignorable)
[05:21] <SiRrUs> lunitik i didnt say gnome
[05:21] <kapputu> I'm upgrading the packages now
[05:21] <kapputu> I can't notice the diff
[05:21] <lunitik> SiRrUs: uhh... then you must mean Kubuntu? Or Xorg?
[05:21] <sproingie> regeya_: yep that's the scheme i like too
[05:21] <kapputu> how's xorg?
[05:21] <error_29> ah, well, if you can't install warty, i don't know what to tell you.  maybe a hoary disk will give you better luck, but...
[05:21] <lunitik> kapputu: faster...
[05:21] <kapputu> is it stable with hoary?
[05:21] <SiRrUs> lunitik i mean the desktop
[05:22] <regeya_> kapputu: from what I've heard...um, try to modify your GNOME menu.  Just try.  I dare ya.  There's your difference. ;-)
[05:22] <kapputu> lol
[05:22] <lunitik> SiRrUs: desktop meaning what exactly?
[05:22] <error_29> I hate the gnome menus.
[05:22] <sproingie> i thought you could drag n drop to the gnome menu
[05:22] <SiRrUs> kapputu does you desktop look the same as it did before your upgrade?
[05:22] <regeya_> kapputu: and now, brand new, um, totem is *officially* part of gnome.
[05:22] <regeya_> I can hardly...*yawn*...contain...my exci...*snore*
[05:22] <kapputu> SiRrUs: yeah I guess so
[05:23] <sproingie> know what i wish you could do?  know how when you use alt-f2 (or meta-r) in kde to pop up the run menu?
[05:23] <kapputu> need to see if things work as before
[05:23] <sproingie> know how it shows the icon of whatever program you type in?
[05:23] <sproingie> i wish you could drag that icon to the desktop
[05:23] <kapputu> can't access school or work webmail from firefox
[05:23] <regeya_> and the abominable sound juicer, it's officially part of gnome now
[05:23] <kapputu> works with firefox in windows
[05:23] <SiRrUs> kapputu mine doesnt thats what I was saying before lunitik told me i didnt know what i was takling about ;)
[05:23] <error_29> And the panels need some work.  I'd like to make 'em transparent, but half the icons gnome uses don't work with transparency, and the menu sections stick out like sore thumbs.
[05:23] <sproingie> in fact i wish you could drag that icon to any "open with" menu
[05:23] <sproingie> or any dialog asking for the name of a program
[05:24] <kapputu> SiRrUs: in what way is it different?
[05:24] <error_29> any why does gnome have to animate the panels on hiding? hate that
[05:24] <sproingie> what good are icons and drag and drop if you don't make it *totally* pervasive?
[05:24] <regeya_> I don't suppose that there's an amarok package for kubuntu, is there?
[05:24] <sproingie> openwindows had a terrific metaphor that all DE's since then have lost
[05:24] <regeya_> do tell
[05:25] <SiRrUs> kapputu the preview release was a bit different then the usual upgrades
[05:25] <hazmat> there are some standard modules missing from the ubuntu python.. namely the profile module... any ideas where it can be found?
[05:25] <sproingie> most every openwin app had a "this document" icon that you could drag into any other app or text input line
[05:25] <sproingie> or the file manager, etc
[05:25] <desrt> sproingie; macos has that
[05:25] <SiRrUs> or it seems to be i suppose thats why it just wasnt called array 7
[05:25] <regeya_> ooooh....I never tried that!
[05:25] <regeya_> whathafuh?  macos has that?
[05:25] <sproingie> desrt: not surprised, i guess macos never forgot its roots.  it started with xerox globalview
[05:25] <kapputu> I'm not really sure, I'll wait for the dist-upgrade to finish
[05:25] <sproingie> openwin made it really useful tho
[05:26] <desrt> most good macos applications have a tiny little document icon in the titlebar beside the name of the document that you're editing
[05:26] <desrt> you can drag that icon
[05:26] <regeya_> never tried that.  damn.
[05:26] <sproingie> desrt: that is the neatest freakin feature.  if gnome copied that, i'd switch back to it in an instant
[05:26] <kapputu> I would like to try out a Mac sometime
[05:26] <desrt> macs are nice.  i run linux on my powerbook and my 2 G5s :)
[05:27] <kapputu> they are expensive
[05:27] <desrt> i didn't pay for any of them :)
[05:27] <kapputu> desrt: send me one of them
[05:27] <desrt> i use them all
[05:27] <desrt> and they belong to work
[05:27] <sproingie> eh.  mac mini is $599 but it's got some nice hardware inside
[05:27] <desrt> laptop + workstation + server
[05:27] <kapputu> I thot 499
[05:27] <sproingie> whups.  $599 for the one with the dvd burner
[05:27] <desrt> $629
[05:28] <kapputu> oh ok
[05:28] <sproingie> i burn dvds for backups all the time
[05:28] <desrt> $749 for dvd burner
[05:28] <kapputu> yeah would want a dvd burner
[05:28] <evilyoda> anybody have trouble recording from microphone on emu10k1 (Audigy) in ubuntu for amd64?
[05:29] <kapputu> why have linux on a Mac when u can use Mac OS X
[05:29] <desrt> i like gnome a lot more than macosx
[05:29] <hazmat> ugh.. i absolutely the way debian/ubuntu break up packages for no logical reason
[05:29] <sproingie> hazmat: like what?
[05:29] <desrt> -dev
[05:29] <hazmat> like ruby or python being standard libraries being broken into several parts
[05:29] <desrt> i feel the same way :)
[05:29] <hazmat> it makes tracking and installing stuff a pain in the arse
[05:30] <hazmat> like python-profile which is a std module but is broken out in ubuntu
[05:30] <curator> Okay... I might be getting closer, bu tnow I'm stuck.  Anyone have any clue why a partition will show up in cfdisk but not in /proc/partitions or in /dev/ide.../lun0 in the installer?
[05:30] <hazmat> except the pkg is available atm in hoary
[05:30] <sproingie> nasty.  i usually compile interpreters from source
[05:30] <hazmat> er isn't
[05:30] <karsten> Pointer for dual-head setup using _two_ video cards?
[05:30] <hazmat> sproingie, sorta of defeats the purpose of package management..
[05:30] <hazmat> but i guess i might have todo the same
[05:30] <karsten> I've got two-output instructions from Wiki, not quite appropriate:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/XineramaMultipleMonitors
[05:30] <tjs> how can I setup a 'print to file' printer?
[05:31] <sproingie> hazmat: yep, i'm in agreement.  i'm a bsd ports fan myself
[05:31] <hazmat> otoh i did upgrade a kernel via binary today ;-)
[05:31] <desrt> gentoo is great
[05:31] <desrt> i love it
[05:31] <regeya_> hazmat: I've been tempted to start emerging a system via chroot for a couple of weeks now
[05:31] <sproingie> i usually prefer bsd, but my hardware's too new
[05:31] <error_29> bsd ports, hmm hah! desrt!  I knew gentoo was going to come up
[05:32] <desrt> error_29; do i know you? :)
[05:32] <error_29> i'm going to try gentoo--
[05:32] <sproingie> freebsd has netgraph which i always thought was the neatest thing
[05:32] <sproingie> shame i never saw it used in the real world
[05:32] <error_29> no you don't desrt
[05:32] <error_29> just thought you were reading my mind
[05:32] <desrt> error_29; excellent.  gentoo rules
[05:33] <error_29> it's either gentoo, or trying debian from scratch
[05:33] <desrt> whatever you do, don't try ubuntu
[05:33] <desrt> i've heard that it contains pornography!
[05:33] <curator> What could I have screwed up that makes partitions show in cfdisk but not in /proc/partitions or under devfs?  This is driving me crazy.
[05:33] <regeya_> gentoo GENTOO gentoo GENTOO gentoo GENTOO
[05:33] <calamari> <-- gentoo = 0, ubuntu = 1
[05:34] <desrt> <-- gentoo = 4, ubuntu = 1
[05:34] <kapputu> me votes for ubuntu
[05:34] <error_29> Ugentu!
[05:34] <regeya_> heh
[05:34] <desrt> (if i'm voting with hardware, that is)
[05:34] <calamari> eew!
[05:34] <BiteMeBill> Oh it's getting stupid in here tonight.
[05:34] <calamari> BiteMeBill: sorry ;)
[05:34] <sproingie> gentoo = 4, ubuntu = 28 HOJILLION SO THERE
[05:34] <sproingie> pthpthpth
[05:34] <desrt> heh
[05:34] <regeya_> hojillion, eh?
[05:34] <dizzie> FOTM tvcard software? (I got a pinaccle card)
[05:35] <lunitik> curator: for one.... Ubuntu doesn't use devfs (udeb/sysfs) ...
[05:35] <froust> anyone know how i can change my splash screen on startup (after login, before desktop)?
[05:35] <kapputu> how much does  a tv card cost?
[05:35] <moetia> how do i update the repositories list?
[05:36] <nixman> someone plz tell me where (which file) i am supposed to add the options for the nvidia kernel options /etc/modules or /etc/modules.conf ?
[05:36] <lunitik> curator: as for your /proc/partitions... no idea..
[05:36] <curator> lunitik: Okay, I'm totally new and have no clue what I'm doing.  :)  Why might partitions that show up in cfdisk and the installer not show up in proc/partitions or for doing mke2fs?  Thanks for the help.
[05:36] <lunitik> moetia: /etc/apt/sources.list ... change 'warty' to 'hoary'...
[05:36] <dizzie> kapputu, 25 :)
[05:36] <moetia> thanks
[05:37] <froust> anyone know?
[05:37] <kapputu> suse good for a windows replacement?
[05:37] <poyayan> um you have to change the symbolic link froust
[05:37] <dizzie> No one got a clue what software i can use, synapse is silent as the grave when searching on "tvcard"
[05:37] <lunitik> curator: you're having issues related to harddrive? or just confused why its not showing in /proc/partitions?
[05:37] <sproingie> kapputu: not if you want to play half life, no
[05:37] <sproingie> kapputu: if you want a file server, sure
[05:37] <kapputu> I hardly play any games
[05:38] <lunitik> dizzie: apt-get install tvtime
[05:38] <froust> poyayan: how does that change it?
[05:38] <regeya_> HI DARTHFROG
[05:38] <DarthFrog> kapputu: Suse is a fine distribution.  But why are you asking that question here? :-)
[05:38] <kapputu> sproingie: I would probably use debian
[05:38] <curator> lunitik: trying to install, when I get to the partitioning/format stage, formatting fails because it can't find /dev/.../part2, which in fact doesn't exist.
[05:38] <dizzie> lunitik, Thanks :)
[05:38] <DarthFrog> HEYA regeya_!
[05:38] <sproingie> kapputu: i'd probably use ubuntu, myself
[05:38] <kapputu> DarthFrog: I use Ubuntu on my laptop and on my other desktop
[05:38] <regeya_> I keep meaning to give suse a try
[05:38] <kapputu> just wanted to try out something new on my main desktop
[05:38] <goldfish> its nice
[05:39] <desrt> for all this stuff that i have to fetch from strange places because ubuntu doesn't have portage....
[05:39] <regeya_> last time I gave suse a try, well, it was years ago
[05:39] <DarthFrog> kapputu: I'm using Ubuntu (KDE) on my laptop and Mandrake on my desktop.
[05:39] <goldfish> we use it in college
[05:39] <desrt> is it better to download the .deb as a one-shot deal
[05:39] <goldfish> its nice
[05:39] <desrt> or is it betetr to add the source to my apt.sources?
[05:39] <sproingie> regeya_: it's very redhatlike -- no updates for you unless you pay
[05:39] <kapputu> no updates??
[05:39] <kapputu> damn
[05:39] <kapputu> I guess I'd install Kubuntu
[05:40] <lunitik> desrt: definatly not! else you get in a dep hell not unlike what RPM's are renowned for!
[05:40] <sproingie> regeya_: it's a damn solid distro, i recommend it over RHEL.  but only in places where you'd demand something like RHEL
[05:40] <desrt> lunitik; so what one am i supposed to do?
[05:40] <regeya_> 'k
[05:40] <lunitik> desrt: use apt-get ... www.apt-get.org is a good place for software not in the archive...
[05:41] <DarthFrog> Suse & Red Hat are primarily oriented towards the business market.
[05:41] <pointzero> anybody know of a good PGP keyring manager to use with Ubuntu?
[05:41] <desrt> lunitik; but then i have a whole whack of weird 3rd party sources
[05:41] <DarthFrog> As is Sun's Java Desktop.
[05:41] <sproingie> yast2 is awesome about reconfiguring everything that needs it and rolling back if it dies
[05:41] <lunitik> DarthFrog: no... SuSE is being redirected at home user... while NLD is directed at enterprise.
[05:41] <kapputu> hoary upgrade is taking a long time
[05:41] <regeya_> see, I even see people asking questions that make me think "damn, I need to go back to KDE."  like that pgp keyring manager question, man.
[05:42] <moetia> lunitik, I have opened the /etc/apt/sources.list file but i cannot edit it
[05:42] <kapputu> I need to see what it looks like before I go to sleep
[05:42] <goldfish> moetia: u nee to be root i think
[05:42] <DarthFrog> lunitik: Hmm, that's not my impression.  Tho' I've been known to be wrong before. :-)
[05:42] <goldfish> moetia: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list for example
[05:42] <Bandit> kapputu i am finnishing mine in about a min or two will let you know
[05:42] <kapputu> hmm firefox menu doesn't work
[05:42] <johnnybezak> moetia: you need to type sudo first
[05:42] <lunitik> desrt: look for devels you trust... pretty much the only thing I ever need thats not in the archive is movie codecs... and Christian Marrilat packages such things in his archive, he is the maintainer of the Ubuntu mplayer packages...
[05:42] <pointzero> i know i loved the keyring manager in kde... i want to use one for gnome though.
[05:42] <kapputu> how the heck am I supposed to change my pref
[05:43] <dizzie> Yay can watch tv again, thanks to lunitik :)
[05:43] <lunitik> dizzie: \o/
[05:43] <desrt> lunitik; i'm trying to get java
[05:43] <sproingie> gnome has gnome-keyring iirc
[05:44] <Bandit> ok brb
[05:44] <pointzero> right on
[05:44] <kapputu> ): CRITICAL **: egg_desktop_entries_add_group: assertion `egg_desktop_entries_lookup_group (entries, group_name) == NULL failed
[05:44] <DarthFrog> Off Topic: http://www.bellyup4blues.com/listen.pls is seriously good.
[05:44] <johnnybezak> dammit the version of firefox in hoary atm is piece of shit
[05:44] <kapputu> any good?
[05:44] <lunitik> desrt: eh... go to java.sun.com ... download it... decompress it... make a symlink for the plugin in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins... and a symlink to the bin in /usr/bin...
[05:44] <lunitik> done
[05:45] <desrt> i don't understand why this stuff can't just be in multiverse
[05:45] <lunitik> desrt: or you can get java-package... and make a .deb that does that for you... but I seem to be less successful that way.
[05:46] <mrproper> johnnybezak, Why is firefox a POS?
[05:46] <johnnybezak> mrproper: it isn't its sweet, just the version in hoary atm is
[05:46] <mrproper> johnnybezak, Yeah, what's wrong with it?
[05:46] <johnnybezak> mrproper: all of a sudden doesn't work with my netbank, and crashes
[05:46] <lunitik> desrt: blame Sun! They don't allow you to host the files without a license etc... you can get blackdown .deb's though... because they have a license.
[05:46] <mrproper> oh
[05:46] <pointzero> anybody have any experience with either GPA or SEAHORSE?  any recommendations?
[05:47] <johnnybezak> mrproper: yeah :P
[05:47] <lunitik> desrt: I suppose blackdown should be in multiverse though... would make sense, but I'm not sure exactly what the rules are pertaining to that.
[05:47] <desrt> lunitik; how do i add GPG keys?
[05:48] <lunitik> desrt: as far as I know... they are fetched automatically when syncing with a source provided they offer it.
[05:48] <desrt> nope :D
[05:48] <lunitik> desrt: 0.6 branch isn't default in regular Debian though... so many repo's don't have it yet.
[05:49] <lunitik> desrt: hopefully it will get into sarge so more repo's will provide that.
[05:49] <desrt> :/
[05:49] <desrt> ubuntu is badly in need of something vaguely like USE flags
[05:49] <moetia> what is the unofficial ubuntu help site?
[05:49] <Burgundavia> moetia: ubuntuguide.org
[05:49] <moetia> thanks
[05:50] <fitz> I am trying out the hoary preview release, and am trying to get the binary ati drivers to work, but keep getting this error "(EE) fglrx(0): [agp]  unable to acquire AGP, error "xf86_EBUSY"
[05:51] <sproingie> wow... how unstable is sun's java on amd64?
[05:51] <lunitik> desrt: umm... debian/rules allows you to customize packages...
[05:51] <sproingie> i seem to be getting ... random errors
[05:51] <desrt> mm
[05:51] <lunitik> desrt: I'm not sure if you can do anything globally with them though...
[05:52] <fitz> anyone have a radeon running with the ati binary drivers in hoary?
[05:52] <sproingie> fitz: me
[05:52] <JDahl> desrt, what is "USE flags"?
[05:52] <fitz> what did you do to get it running?
[05:52] <desrt> JDahl; it tells the package manager about things that you like and don't like
[05:53] <desrt> for example, if i want to install mplayer, it requires xmms which requires a whole bunch of other stuff (like all of gtk1, glib1, etc)
[05:53] <sproingie> fitz: apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx
[05:53] <azriel0184> how do you remove a wireless interface?
[05:53] <desrt> in gentoo i'd just add "-xmms" to my USE flags and be done with it
[05:53] <Amaranth> anyone got a lexmark p707 working with ubuntu?
[05:53] <sproingie> fitz: then edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and replace the line that says Driver "ati" with Driver "fglrx"
[05:53] <desrt> then mplayer wouldn't depend on xmms
[05:53] <fitz> yea
[05:53] <fitz> I did that
[05:53] <azriel0184> or change it to default to a wired interface?
[05:54] <HrdwrBoB> desrt: except on the whole, it would take you more time and space to download and compile everything
[05:54] <sproingie> fitz: and enjoy the crisper 2d, and forget about ever having working 3d.   buy nvidia next time
[05:54] <JDahl> desrt, that's kind of hard to achieve with binary packages, isn't it?
[05:54] <fitz> well I just want 2d
[05:54] <fitz> I dont care about 3d
[05:54] <desrt> JDahl; ya.  that's exactly the problem
[05:54] <fitz> actually I just want to run in 1280x1024
[05:54] <fitz> to tell ya the truth
[05:54] <hazmat> ugh.. really wierd, why is python-profile in multiverse
[05:55] <lunitik> desrt: and after about 40 mins, you'd actually be able to view a movie on said movie player...
[05:55] <sproingie> fitz: make sure you have 24 bit depth.  the driver can't do anything else
[05:55] <desrt> compile time is nothing
[05:55] <sproingie> in fact just delete all the other depths
[05:55] <desrt> it happens once, and it's usually at night
[05:55] <fitz> yea I do
[05:55] <lunitik> desrt: per version, sure.
[05:56] <azriel0184> hey guys, how do i change ubuntu to default to a different interface for networking? (i have 2 NIC's)
[05:56] <sproingie> also forget about subpixel antialiasing and composite.  both nonfunctional with ati's driver
[05:56] <lunitik> desrt: and its usually at night enless you need it for something you're doing now... in which case, waiting is frustrating!
[05:56] <sproingie> i should have gotten the nvidia card
[05:57] <sproingie> i kinda thought the subpixel font AA was all software, but apparently not
[05:57] <fitz> I know ati drivers suck
[05:57] <JDahl> desrt, so you're basically just unhappy with binary packages, then? no "USE" flag would resolve that... if you're going to build a lot of debian packages yourself, check out "apt-get build-dep xxx" to automatically install all necessary libraries et cetara for the package you're compiling
[05:57] <sproingie> does nothing with the fglrx driver on
[05:57] <fitz> yea, my next card is gonna be a nvidia
[05:57] <desrt> JDahl; ya.  i found out about build-dep earlier today.  it's a life-saver
[05:57] <fitz> but for now I have to put up with the ati
[05:57] <desrt> i just wish the process for building your own versions of things was a little bit more automated
[05:57] <sproingie> fitz: does X not start?
[05:58] <fitz> its starts
[05:58] <fitz> but gives this error message
[05:58] <DarthFrog> nixman: In /etc/modules.conf
[05:58] <fitz> and 3d accell is not working
[05:58] <sproingie> fitz: never will work
[05:58] <fitz> I have it working in warty
[05:58] <sproingie> not the 3d.  some manage to, but it's pretty elusive
[05:58] <fitz> nah
[05:58] <fitz> I can always get it to work
[05:58] <fitz> its really not that tricky
[05:58] <JDahl> desrt, I never tried Gentoo, so I cant really compare, but IMO building debian packages from source is quite easy and automated
[05:58] <fitz> but now its giving a weird error
[05:58] <lunitik> desrt: apt-cache show apt-src.
[05:59] <sproingie> i have a amd64, so ati beats me like the redheaded stepchild
[05:59] <lunitik> desrt: get involved?
[05:59] <fitz> haha
[05:59] <fitz> yea
[05:59] <fitz> they just started supporting amd64
[05:59] <sproingie> to use the term loosely
[05:59] <desrt> lunitik; i'll check it out
[05:59] <fitz> lol
[05:59] <fitz> I can buy a nice nvidia 6600 for so cheap
[06:00] <nixman> DarthFrog:  there is none in hoary tho .. just going to create it. i taught it was reverted to modprobe.conf or something !
[06:00] <fitz> but I am waiting to buy computer stuff for my new pc that I will build eventually
[06:00] <azriel0184> hey guys, how do i change ubuntu to default to a different interface for networking? (i have 2 NIC's)
[06:00] <azriel0184> or remove one of them
[06:00] <fitz> alright man
[06:00] <fitz> thanks for the help
[06:00] <fitz> later
[06:00] <sproingie> the 6600 was what i was waiting for but everyone was out of stock
[06:00] <sproingie> i found a radeon 9800 ez for cheap
[06:00] <fitz> get the xfx brand
[06:00] <nixman> azriel0184: ifconfig eth1 down
[06:01] <fitz> its got dual dvi
[06:01] <sproingie> runs like buttah on the windows side
[06:01] <fitz> and its like $160
[06:01] <DarthFrog> nixman: I've not had to do it yet, so I'm not sure either.  I think Debian distros want you to make such changes in the files under /etc/modutils/ and then run update-modules to regenerate the modules.conf file.
[06:01] <azriel0184> nixman: what about a wireless interface?
[06:02] <nixman> azriel0184: ifconfig wlan0 down
[06:02] <lunitik> or just 'ifdown wlan0'
[06:02] <nixman> azriel0184: i just did for my latptop recently ... i fidled with whereami .. once you figure how it works its a really cool tool
[06:03] <azriel0184> ohhh cool :) just that ath0 (the wireless link) did show in ifconfig... :)
[06:03] <rom> lunitik, what does ifdown wlan0 do
[06:03] <azriel0184> thanks guys :)
[06:04] <DarthFrog> /etc/networks/interfaces is the file where your network interfaces are defined, eth0 being the standard wired interface. To make the wirless network come up when you start your computer put # in from to 'auto eth0' (to stop it automaticaly starting) and add something like the following lines.
[06:04] <lunitik> rom: exactly the same thing as 'ifconfig wlan0 down' ... but with less typing  :)
[06:04] <DarthFrog> auto wlan0
[06:04] <DarthFrog> iface wlan0 inet dhcp
[06:04] <DarthFrog> name Wireless LAN card
[06:04] <DarthFrog> wireless_essid   MYNETWOTK
[06:04] <DarthFrog> wireless_key     FEFEFEFEFE
[06:04] <DarthFrog> wireless_channel 11
[06:04] <DarthFrog> wireless_mode    managed
[06:04] <azriel0184> will ifdown affect the next time i boot up?
[06:05] <nixman> DarthFrog: i tried running update-moduls to no avail ! no modules.conf is generated !
[06:05] <lunitik> azriel0184: no... you'd have to change /etc/network/interfaces for that...
[06:05] <|QuaD-> anyone know if anyone is working on beagle or dashboard packages?
[06:05] <azriel0184> how would i change it so that ubuntu will use eth0 instead of ath0?
[06:06] <azriel0184> i put in a wireless card today, but i still havnt got the wireless network up yet, so im still running on wired here
[06:07] <poyayan> run the network settings program azriel
[06:08] <poyayan> you can set up your interfaces there and select the default device
[06:08] <azriel0184> somehow it got removed and i cant find where to get it again...
[06:08] <DarthFrog> nixman: There is an /etc/modprobe.d directory.  It looks to be where some things are set.
[06:08] <poyayan> you mean you don't have system->administration->networking ????
[06:09] <azriel0184> poyayan, no i dont :(
[06:09] <lunitik> azriel0184: warty: Computer > System Settings (?) > Networking ... hoary: (what poyayan just said)
[06:09] <poyayan> wow
[06:09] <difekta> what's wrong with this fstab line that users can't access this drive? /dev/hdb1       /mnt/hd2        ntfs     rw,user        0       1
[06:09] <azriel0184> lunitik, that app seems to have dissappeared...
[06:09] <difekta> can someone please just give me an idea?
[06:09] <difekta> er..
[06:09] <Tuxadermist> did you make the hd2 dir in mnt ?
[06:09] <poyayan> so azriel can you open a terminal and run network-admin?
[06:09] <lunitik> azriel0184: s/disappeared/not there yet/ more than likely...
[06:10] <azriel0184> root@matthew-linux:/home/matthew # network-admin
[06:10] <azriel0184> bash: network-admin: command not found
[06:10] <ace2001ac> does ubuntu not assign a root password?
[06:10] <DarthFrog> difekta: What're the permissions on the directory?
[06:10] <goldfish> your login one
[06:10] <lunitik> ace2001ac: nope... use sudo
[06:10] <azriel0184> lunitik, it was when i was using warty
[06:10] <goldfish> well
[06:10] <poyayan> sudo -s ace
[06:11] <ace2001ac> cool, i was just wondering
[06:11] <poyayan> azriel if you do 'locate network-admin' do you see anything?
[06:11] <NobleArc> whenever I try to install packages with apt from nerim.net/debian-marlliat, it complains about GPG keys. o_O?
[06:11] <difekta> i thought directory permissions didn't matter.
[06:11] <difekta> over-written by the mount.
[06:11] <ace2001ac> does only the first account created get sudo privs or all the user accounts?
[06:11] <azriel0184> difekta, only after the mount
[06:11] <raghu> ace2001ac: by default no...but you can enable the root
[06:12] <lunitik> azriel0184: upgrade. or go grab hoary's gnome-system-tools .... (remembering that the package has been split...)
[06:12] <poyayan> only the first
[06:12] <raghu> ace2001ac: only first account is rooot
[06:12] <poyayan> but you can change that in the Users and Groups setting tool
[06:12] <lunitik> (so you need system-tools-backends also)
[06:12] <crimsun> NobleArc: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary
[06:12] <difekta> no that didn't fix anything.
[06:12] <ace2001ac> raghu, thanks
[06:12] <NobleArc> Thanks.
[06:12] <raghu> ace2001ac: cool
[06:12] <NobleArc> This is the third time I've asked, and the only time I've gotten an answer, lol.
[06:12] <difekta> i still can only access the directory as root.
[06:13] <NobleArc> ..now firefox is complaining about ubuntulinux.org's certificate.. -_-
[06:13] <poyayan> ace you can set other users to have sudo -s permissions as well
[06:13] <ace2001ac> raghu, wasn't sure because debian doesn't do it that way
[06:13] <Amaranth> NobleArc: It's self-signed, accept it.
[06:13] <raghu> ace2001ac: ya i know...it is ok
[06:13] <poyayan> infact you can take away sudo -s permissions from accounts too .... never tried to do that to my main account but I don't really want to find out if it can be done
[06:13] <lunitik> crimsun: afaik marillat doesn't yet offer GPG keys for his repo's?
[06:13] <NobleArc> lol, I did.
[06:14] <poyayan> seriously Noble?
[06:14] <poyayan> what happened?
[06:14] <lunitik> NobleArc: why can't you just hit "Yes"?
[06:14] <wgandhi> does anyone know howto create /dev/dri/crd*
[06:14] <kapputu> what was that gtk module clearlook or something
[06:14] <wgandhi> i mean card
[06:14] <NobleArc> ... I was just complaining. :P
[06:14] <ace2001ac> has anyone gotten sound to work on amd64 on a MSI K8T Neo?
[06:14] <sproingie> poyayan: all you have to do is leave the user out of the sudoers file
[06:14] <NobleArc> brb.
[06:14] <sproingie> poyayan: by default no one can sudo
[06:14] <lunitik> kapputu: gtk2-engine-clearlooks
[06:14] <sproingie> i usually create a wheel group and let the whole group sudo
[06:15] <poyayan> well the first created user can
[06:15] <poyayan> but no other users
[06:15] <sproingie> poyayan: wasn't my experience with hoary
[06:15] <kapputu> hmm can't find it
[06:15] <Amaranth> sproingie: That's how OS X does it.
[06:15] <lunitik> kapputu: uhh... gtk2-engines-clearlooks even.
[06:15] <kapputu> already newest version
[06:15] <sproingie> Amaranth: yah well that makes sense.  seems debian just expects you to edit sudoers as root
[06:15] <Amaranth> gtk2-engines-clearlooks in in hoary
[06:15] <poyayan> then how did you sudo -s sproingie?
[06:15] <lunitik> But no ClearlooksHuman  >:|
[06:15] <Amaranth> heh
[06:16] <kapputu> I find the same themes
[06:16] <Amaranth> give me a couple seconds
[06:16] <sproingie> poyayan: i just logged in as root
[06:16] <poyayan> so you activated the root account then?
[06:16] <kapputu> xorg has synaptics driver?
[06:16] <orospakr> kapputu, yes.
[06:16] <kapputu> I'm changing to xorg
[06:16] <lunitik> poyayan: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo tells you how...
[06:16] <kapputu> anything I should do before that
[06:17] <moetia> ok I am trying to install the macromedia flashplayer for ubuntu.... I have the program downloaded it is in the form of .gz
[06:17] <crimsun> lunitik: Christian has for debian-marilliat for some time.
[06:17] <poyayan> yeah I know how I just don't do it
[06:17] <moetia> what is the command to tar ????
[06:17] <crimsun> lunitik: http://debian.video.free.fr/  has more info.
[06:17] <orospakr> why would a Yukon Gigabit ethernet adapter on amd64 with kernel 2.6.10 give piss-poor performance (roughtly 800 ko/s on a 100mbit link)?
[06:17] <poyayan> I like using sudo -s
[06:17] <Amaranth> lunitik: You'll have to just download and install it.
[06:17] <kapputu> anything I need to do before changing to xorg?
[06:17] <lunitik> moetia: tar.gz or .bz2?
[06:17] <wgandhi> i cannot enable render with Xorg.. My error file says /dev/dri/card* does not exist..
[06:17] <moetia> gz
[06:17] <moetia> tar.gz
[06:17] <lunitik> crimsun: ahh... thanks
[06:17] <kapputu> hullo
[06:18] <sss_lr> suc
[06:19] <moetia> lunitik, the file is flashplayer.tar.gz
[06:19] <lunitik> moetia: tar -xzf fla[tab] 
[06:19] <wgandhi> irc://irc.debian.org/XFree86
[06:20] <helloyo> is the preview a big stepup from the arrays?
[06:20] <Amaranth> wtf was that?
[06:20] <kapputu> great evolution crashes now
[06:20] <lunitik> Amaranth: was what?
[06:20] <raghu> moetia: tar -zxvf  flashplayer.tar.gz
[06:21] <Amaranth> wghandi linked to #XFree86 then left
[06:21] <lunitik> raghu: eh... he needn't use verbos... just farts out a bunch of crap he won't understand anyways  :/
[06:21] <moetia> raghu... that did not work...
[06:22] <helloyo> whats with the major releases being 4.10 and 5.04 instead of 4.0 and 5.0?
[06:22] <crimsun> helloyo: year.month
[06:22] <raghu> moetia: it should work otherwise you are tar file is damaged..
[06:22] <helloyo> crimsun, oh thanks!
[06:23] <helloyo> helloyo, thought they were just being difficult
[06:23] <crimsun> there is a method to the madness.
[06:23] <Mad-boy> Hello
[06:23] <Mad-boy> everybody
[06:23] <crimsun> hello.
[06:24] <Mad-boy> Can anybody tell me how to change my display refresh rate?
[06:24] <crimsun> Mad-boy: warty or hoary?
[06:25] <lunitik> Mad-boy: you might be able to do it simply by fireing up System > Preferences > Screen Resolution...
[06:25] <moetia> ok .. i got the file to extract, but now i cannot install the flash-installer... ERROR: Your architecture, \'x86_64\', is not supported by the
[06:25] <moetia>        Macromedia Flash Player installer.
[06:25] <Mad-boy> i go there but it only gives me one option of 75hz
[06:25] <Mad-boy> but i need moer
[06:25] <Mad-boy> but i need more
[06:26] <lunitik> Mad-boy: else... you might need to edit VSync and HSync in /etc/X11/[xorg.conf,XF86Config-4] 
[06:26] <moetia> i cannot install this on a 64 bit proccessor?
[06:26] <lunitik> grrr
[06:26] <lunitik> Mad-boy: else... you might need to edit VSync and HSync in /etc/X11/[xorg.conf,XF86Config-4] 
[06:26] <Mad-boy> gmmm......
[06:26] <kapbuntu> moetia: it looked to me like there was an amd-64 ver
[06:26] <sproingie> moetia: you're out of luck
[06:26] <kapbuntu> but I'm new to kubuntu
[06:27] <sproingie> there's a free flash player for amd64, but it's not that good
[06:27] <kapbuntu> I know the Debian port isn't fully release quality yet
[06:27] <lunitik> moetia: bitch at Macromedia  ;)
[06:27] <kapbuntu> kde 3.4 is pretty sweet
[06:27] <sproingie> it's a library, so 32 bit compat doesnt do any good
[06:27] <Mad-boy> and another question why ubuntu cant play mp3`s?
[06:27] <NobleArc> ah, everything is working beautifully.  Thanks guys.
[06:27] <lunitik> kapbuntu: uhh... the Kubuntu packages = Debian Qt/KDE Maintainers efforts with very little else.
[06:28] <sproingie> you'd have to install a whole 32 bit chroot for the browser and all its libs to run the flash plugin
[06:28] <sproingie> probably not worth it
[06:28] <crimsun> Mad-boy: /wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:28] <kapputu> xorg is definitely faster
[06:28] <crimsun> Mad-boy: essentially, enable Universe and add 'gstreamer0.8-mad'
[06:29] <Mad-boy> i dont know how to do that
[06:29] <Mad-boy> =] 
[06:29] <Mad-boy> i am new on linux
[06:29] <helloyo> Mad-boy, www.ubuntuguide.org
[06:29] <desrt> so i install the java packages... yet the browser does not see them
[06:30] <crimsun> Mad-boy: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:30] <lunitik> Mad-boy: what crimsun said... wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:30] <lunitik> crimsun: >:|   heh... you shoulda wrote that first time  ;)
[06:30] <stuNNed> crimsun: how's it going mate?
[06:31] <wgandhi> Ubuntu Help
[06:31] <crimsun> stuNNed: n'bad, yourself?
[06:31] <lunitik> desrt: you symlink the libsomeshitwithtoomanyletters to /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins?
[06:31] <wgandhi> has anyone created /dev/dri/card* on their system?
[06:32] <desrt> lunitik; no.  i expect it to happen automatically
[06:32] <crimsun> wgandhi: what video card do you have?
[06:32] <stuNNed> crimsun: not bad, just watched a smoothwall install die on a 1000mb nic card and might be getting some work installing a linux server later on
[06:32] <wgandhi> i have a i916GM board
[06:32] <pestilence> could somebody tell me how to forward a port on 127.0.0.1 to some other address?
[06:32] <stuNNed> crimsun: and *really* impressed with how ubuntu is coming along, minus the crap of a power management my laptop has
[06:32] <wgandhi> i mean i915GM board.. (intel internal graphics)
[06:32] <lunitik> desrt: ln -s /usr/java/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins
[06:33] <lunitik> heh... appears they changed the name of that lib for 1.5.x though...
[06:33] <wgandhi> i have everything working.. got latest Xorg snapshot for the drivers..
[06:33] <FR500> hello
[06:33] <crimsun> wgandhi: lsmod|grep ^i810
[06:33] <ace2001ac> do you have to use a chroot for statically compiled 32-bit binaries on a 64-bit kernel?
[06:33] <lunitik> ace2001ac: yes
[06:34] <kapputu> gdesklets don't work
[06:34] <ace2001ac> lunitik, is there a faq for doing that on ubuntu?
[06:34] <kapbuntu> is ubuntu's xorg built with composite extensions?
[06:34] <wgandhi> crimsun: actually I have loaded the i915 DRM module..
[06:34] <crimsun> kapbuntu: yep. You just need to manually add the extensions section to /etc/X11/xorg.conf, restart gdm, and load xcompmgr
[06:35] <wgandhi> lsmod | grep 915 yields :i915                   21504  0
[06:35] <wgandhi> drm                    69396  1 i915
[06:35] <kapbuntu> crimsun: can I do that with the live cd?
[06:35] <kapbuntu> crimsun: when I kill x it reboots
[06:35] <crimsun> kapbuntu: I don't think /etc is read-write on the livecd, but I haven't used the hoary preview livecd yet
[06:35] <lunitik> calc: you around?
[06:36] <kapbuntu> crimsun: yeah, im using kubuntu also, so things are prob even more screwy
[06:36] <calc> lunitik: yes
[06:36] <calc> lunitik: whats up?
[06:36] <lunitik> calc: care to help ace2001ac with 32bit chroot on 64bit sys?
[06:37] <crimsun> wgandhi: ok, and any warnings/errors in /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
[06:37] <ace2001ac> lunitik, np
[06:37] <calc> lunitik: hmm i didn't setup a chroot myself i just unpacked the few libraries i needed into /usr/local/lib32
[06:37] <ace2001ac> lunitik, just got the box setup yesterday and decided to put ubuntu on it :)
[06:38] <calc> ace2001ac: you can create a chroot using debootstrap
[06:38] <lunitik> calc: hmm... know any docs that might be useful... he just wants flash I think...
[06:38] <kapbuntu> crimsun: render won't work with the nv driver anyhow, right?
[06:39] <calc> lunitik: not that i know of
[06:39] <crimsun> kapbuntu: sure it will
[06:39] <kapbuntu> crimsun: I mean composite
[06:39] <ace2001ac> lunitik, i wouldn't mind flash but I'm trying to run mprime (Mersenne.org)
[06:39] <wgandhi> crimsun: not really anything serious.. some font paths not found..
[06:39] <calc> the lack of flash is good enough reason to get rid of 32bit compatibility ;)
[06:39] <crimsun> kapbuntu: it will, but it's very, very, very sluggish
[06:39] <kapputu> i'm having problems with wine
[06:39] <kapputu> unable to grep msdos.sys
[06:39] <kapbuntu> crimsun: I just want to check it out, my test machine here is slow anyhow
[06:40] <kapbuntu> damn kapputu, I thought I said that for a second :)
[06:40] <crimsun> ace2001ac: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebootstrapChroot
[06:40] <ace2001ac> and btw to all the ubuntu developers out there, it rocks :)
[06:40] <lunitik> calc: haha  :)
[06:41] <ace2001ac> crimsun, thanks
[06:41] <calc> ace2001ac: the static linked mprime should run without a chroot
[06:41] <lunitik> crimsun: *cough* wiki.ubuntu.com/Page is less typing *cough*  ;P
[06:41] <crimsun> wgandhi: but no messages regarding drm/dri?
[06:41] <crimsun> lunitik: I highlight and secondary-click ;-)
[06:42] <lunitik> crimsun: haha... saves even more time  8)
[06:42] <wgandhi> well no error messages till we get to (EE) I810(0): [dri]  DRIScreenInit failed. Disabling DRI.
[06:42] <wgandhi> before that all I had was /dev/dri/card* does not exist..
[06:42] <crimsun> wgandhi: that's a start to debugging. Is it a version mismatch?
[06:42] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[06:42] <calc> hmm odd the static linked mprime still segfaults
[06:43] <ace2001ac> calc, hmm... it segfaults
[06:43] <ace2001ac> calc, yeah
[06:43] <wgandhi> how do i check for a version mismatch?
[06:43] <calc> ace2001ac: i doubt that it would work in a chroot either then
[06:43] <calc> not sure wtf it would segfault for the static version
[06:43] <wgandhi> my kernel is 2.6.11.2 and I am using 0225 snapshot for the dri/drm drives..
[06:44] <crimsun> wgandhi: e.g., the version of the drm used needs to be built specifically for your kernel _and_ it needs to match what the X server requires.
[06:44] <kapputu> unable to grep msdos.sys error with winesetup
[06:44] <da_bon_bon> hey all, how do increase the space on my / partition ? resizing the partition ?
[06:44] <wgandhi> i compiled my kernel last nite.. used the drm module from the kernel..
[06:45] <ace2001ac> calc, guess i can use the regular one in a chroot then :)
[06:45] <lunitik> kapputu: what are you trying to run?
[06:45] <mhandl> I just instaled new HOARY and sound card doesnt work. Is here anybody with the same problem ?
[06:45] <kapputu> nothing
[06:45] <kapputu> I was just trying to configure wine
[06:45] <calc> ace2001ac: maybe however the regular one had all its needed libraries installed as well and it segfaulted too
[06:45] <crimsun> wgandhi: and is the i915 module also from your 2.6.11.2 tree?
[06:45] <calc> ace2001ac: i think the program is just buggy
[06:45] <crimsun> mhandl: what sound card do you have?
[06:46] <ace2001ac> calc, ah, thanks for the quick check
[06:46] <kapputu> how do I run something?
[06:46] <ace2001ac> calc, i guess i can try compiling it :)
[06:46] <lunitik> kapputu: wine some.exe
[06:46] <wgandhi> yup.. from the 2.6.11.2 tree.. however how do I make the Xserver match?
[06:46] <rom> how do i delete a repository with cvs?
[06:47] <kapputu> tried IE
[06:47] <kapputu> din't work
[06:47] <mhandl> crimsun: on board via82XX, however I have additional Audigy in other PCI slot, and can not  get any response from via
[06:47] <calc> ace2001ac: a 64bit version may end up running a lot faster anyway
[06:47] <crimsun> mhandl: which do you prefer being your primary card?
[06:47] <ratl3> hi
[06:48] <ace2001ac> calc, well, not sure if the code runs well for 64-bit or if it compiles, but i'll have to give it a try
[06:48] <wgandhi> crimsun: thanx for ur input I will try and compile the drm module from the Xorg snapshot I have been using...
[06:48] <lunitik> mhandl: I am using snd-via82xx ... seems to work here... only after restart though... probably could just restart alsa though...
[06:48] <ratl3> i'd like to congrat you guys on a great distribution
[06:48] <moetia> i need help getting java plugin to work with firefox
[06:48] <moetia> i have followed the instructions but the plugin is not working
[06:49] <ratl3> ya, java needs some work
[06:49] <mhandl> crimsun: via is preferable
[06:49] <Bicchi> what makes ubuntu different from mandrake, fedora or perhaps other distros.
[06:49] <calc> erm the source isn't source
[06:49] <ratl3> you need to create a symlink moetia
[06:49] <ace2001ac> Bicchi, it's Debian based and Debian rocks :)
[06:49] <calc> its not open source, it just acts like it is
[06:50] <calc> its just a bunch of compiled object files that you link together
[06:50] <moetia> i have made a sym link in the root
[06:50] <moetia> where do i need to put it?
[06:50] <lunitik> moetia: download the .bin... chmod +x it ... ./the.bin ... ln -s path/to/libjava/plugin /usr/lib/mozlla-firefox/plugins/
[06:50] <kapputu> how do I set the resolution in wine
[06:50] <moetia> ok
[06:50] <lunitik> moetia: here its: ln -s /usr/java/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins
[06:50] <Bicchi> why is ubuntu only one cd while other linux distro contain 3 and more cds of stuff.
[06:51] <lunitik> Bicchi: CD's only contain main and restricted... whereas most distro's include EVERYTHING you will NEVER use...
[06:51] <kapputu> cool I got firefox working
[06:51] <moetia> lunitik... is that path going to work on an amd 64?
[06:51] <poyayan> hey has anyone tried using the java-gcj-compat package?
[06:51] <poyayan> seems like it uses gcc4
[06:51] <lunitik> moetia: gah... I don't think there is a 64bit java.
[06:51] <kapputu> but still I can't connect to the school webmail
[06:51] <moetia> my os is 64 bit
[06:51] <Bicchi> lunitik: so what is included in the cd then.
[06:52] <kapbuntu> crimsun: hey to let you know, the composite stuff works on the livecd (at least kubuntu)
[06:52] <lunitik> Bicchi: main and restricted?
[06:52] <kapbuntu> shadows too
[06:52] <kapbuntu> I just added Composite and RENDER
[06:52] <Bicchi> lunitik: but does the cd come with packages like word processing and other good stuff?
[06:52] <lunitik> Bicchi: heh... basically ubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-base ... although thats not very enlightening either...
[06:52] <kapbuntu> it is ass slow though
[06:53] <lunitik> Bicchi: OpenOffice.org
[06:53] <da_bon_bon> how do i add space to my / partition ? resize it ?
[06:53] <lunitik> da_bon_bon: man parted
[06:53] <da_bon_bon> lunitik: is qtparted ok ?
[06:53] <lunitik> da_bon_bon: its a crapy frontend for parted...
[06:53] <Bicchi> lunitik: so openoffice comes with it or must be downloaded separate from the installation cd
[06:53] <lunitik> Bicchi: come with...
[06:54] <ratl3> did you get it from their site or a apt source?
[06:54] <ratl3> an
[06:54] <ratl3> well, mandrake aren't open source either in your definition
[06:54] <ratl3> or fedora
[06:54] <ratl3> calc
[06:54] <ratl3> i mean, i use gentoo
[06:54] <ratl3> but my grandma sure couldn't
[06:54] <Bicchi> lunitik: so where do i find if i need additional packages.
[06:54] <lunitik> ratl3: umm... yes they are... you can download src.rpm's for both.
[06:54] <crimsun> kapbuntu: excellent
[06:54] <calc> huh?
[06:54] <lunitik> Bicchi: you look via apt...
[06:55] <Bicchi> lunitik: so apt is like a browser for software?
[06:55] <lunitik> Bicchi: apt is god
[06:55] <calc> apt doesn't browse
[06:55] <lunitik> Bicchi: it like... gets stuff
[06:55] <bryan> sudo apt-get update
[06:55] <da_bon_bon> Bicchi: aptitude is what u want. or better still, synaptic
[06:55] <bryan> sudo apt-cache search whatever
[06:55] <ratl3> can't you download the deb sources for ubuntu too
[06:55] <lunitik> ratl3: sure
[06:56] <ratl3> i was talking about how calc said ubuntu wasn't open source because it doesn't come with the source
[06:56] <lunitik> ratl3: the 'deb-src' packages provide them...
[06:56] <ratl3> ya, exactly
[06:56] <calc> ratl3: you weren't following the conversation i was having
[06:56] <ratl3> oh
[06:56] <calc> i said that mprime isn't open source
[06:56] <calc> i was talking to ace2001ac
[06:56] <ratl3> well, i was wrong then
[06:56] <ratl3> sorry about that
[06:56] <calc> in their "source" tarball they only include the object files
[06:57] <Bicchi> lunitik, da_bon_bon: so lets just say i want to download apache. can i use apt for that and does it downloads the latest source?
[06:57] <calc> np
[06:57] <kapputu> trying to configure evolution, what would be the OWA url?
[06:57] <lunitik> Bicchi: umm... yes
[06:57] <lunitik> Bicchi: on all accounts.
[06:57] <da_bon_bon> Bicchi: man apt, sudo synaptic
[06:57] <ratl3> is mprime a distributed prime client?
[06:57] <calc> ratl3: its the GIMPS one
[06:57] <lunitik> da_bon_bon: I don't think he has Ubuntu installed... else he wouldn't be asking such questions imo
[06:57] <ratl3> hmm
[06:58] <da_bon_bon> lunitik: i agree
[06:58] <calc> it claims to be in asm but then it should still include the asm source, not .o files ;)
[06:58] <lunitik> da_bon_bon: so man apt synaptic won't do much good  ;)
[06:58] <da_bon_bon> :)
[06:58] <Bicchi> linitik, da_bon_bon: i do not have ubuntu installed yet
[06:58] <lunitik> Bicchi: we figured that.
[06:59] <da_bon_bon> Bicchi: then what do i want ? are u installing it ?
[06:59] <ratl3> are you using linux Bicchi?
[06:59] <lunitik> Bicchi: you should install it... you're asking rather silly questions.
[06:59] <ratl3> currently?
[06:59] <lunitik> ratl3: he just said no.
[06:59] <ratl3> he said no to ubuntu
[06:59] <Bicchi> my questions are related se what ubuntu is about and mayor diff. from other distros.
[07:00] <Bicchi> yes, mandrake
[07:00] <ratl3> ahh
[07:00] <ratl3> isn't mandrake kde based?
[07:00] <Bicchi> kde is the default
[07:00] <ratl3> been a while
[07:00] <lunitik> Bicchi: compared to Mandrake... for one, better mirrors... you can use Synaptic for any package needs... Ubuntu is GNOME...
[07:01] <ratl3> latest gnome packages too
[07:01] <calc> and there is also kubuntu for kde desktop
[07:01] <Bicchi> i kind of like kde better but i am sure it can be installed instead of gnome
[07:01] <lunitik> Bicchi: Mandrakes Control Panel won't be around either of course... but GNOME offers some simular tools... probably all that you'll need.
[07:01] <lunitik> Bicchi: you probably want Kubuntu though instead
[07:02] <ratl3> what version of gnome does mandrake have?
[07:02] <lunitik> ratl3: 2.8.1 afaik
[07:02] <lunitik> ratl3: distrowatch.com ...
[07:02] <ratl3> oh, that's not that bad
[07:02] <ratl3> cool, thanks
[07:02] <calc> hoary out in ~ 3 weeks will have gnome 2.10
[07:02] <lunitik> ratl3: eh... 2.10.0 was released  :/
[07:03] <ratl3> ya, running it
[07:03] <zenrox> gnome 2.10 rocks
[07:03] <da_bon_bon> some guy once told me a boot cd called harish or hashim boot cd that has PM8 on it. anyone know ?
[07:03] <lunitik> calc: chicken... install hoary!  :D
[07:03] <ratl3> ya, hoary is nice
[07:03] <calc> lunitik: i've been running hoary since it was branched
[07:03] <lunitik> calc: no issues right now... everything is stable upstream :)
[07:03] <zenrox> ratl3,  ya hoary if actualy really stabel
[07:03] <lunitik> calc: same here  :)
[07:03] <ratl3> i had to manually configure xorg with my mobile ati card
[07:03] <rom> can anyone here help me with gcvs?
[07:03] <ratl3> shrug
[07:04] <ratl3> the only problem i had
[07:04] <kapputu> hoary is great
[07:04] <lunitik> rom: I think most people here use bazaar ... a svn frontend/clone/doohikey
[07:04] <kapputu> but the 2.6.10 is giving me trouble
[07:05] <kapputu> can't use the acx100 driver for my wireless card
[07:05] <lunitik> kapputu: I don't advise 2.6.11 then...
[07:05] <ratl3> oh, it was much better than that 2.8 crap
[07:05] <kapputu> I wnet back to 2.6.8
[07:05] <da_bon_bon> some guy once told me a boot cd called harish or hashim boot cd that has PM8 on it. anyone know ?
[07:05] <ratl3> i would unplug the power from my laptop and it would lock up the computer
[07:05] <ratl3> well, i could still ssh into it
[07:06] <lunitik> ratl3: then it wasn't locked up... maybe X was?  :/
[07:06] <da_bon_bon> got it! hirens boot cd! YAY!
[07:06] <ratl3> no, it was the mouse and the keyboard
[07:06] <difekta> can anyone give me a sample fstab line to mount /dev/hdb1 and allow users to access it?
[07:06] <difekta> my current one is only accessible by root.
[07:07] <lunitik> difekta: /dev/hdb1 /some/where/here fs_type defaults 0 0 should work..
[07:07] <kapputu> ok guess I'll go to sleep
[07:07] <ratl3> ya
[07:07] <kapputu> had great fun with ubuntu today
[07:07] <lunitik> difekta: won't be ro etc  :/
[07:07] <difekta> hmm..
[07:07] <difekta> i have essentially that now.
[07:07] <kapputu> c ya all
[07:07] <difekta> it's ntfs if that means anything.
[07:07] <ratl3> oh!
[07:07] <ratl3> um...
[07:08] <BiteMeBill> difekta: http://ubuntuguide.org/#windows
[07:08] <lunitik> difekta: gah... then it needs to be read only  :/
[07:08] <ratl3> have you heard of mount everything?
[07:08] <ratl3> you can use a ext3 partition in windows
[07:08] <ratl3> reiser too i think
[07:08] <difekta> windows?
[07:08] <lunitik> ratl3: but thats not what he is trying to do...
[07:08] <difekta> i don't use windows.
[07:08] <lunitik> ratl3: he is attempting the other way around.
[07:09] <ratl3> why do you have an ntfs partition then?
[07:09] <lunitik> difekta: see what BiteMeBill said.
[07:09] <mhandl> lunitik: thx for help with SND, I just modified modules, restarted ALSA, works like magic now.
[07:09] <lunitik> mhandl: cool... it wasn't loading snd-via82xx?
[07:10] <lunitik> mhandl: not sure why you'd need to modify modules? glad its working for you now though  :)
[07:10] <DarthFrog> Anyone know how to force Synaptic to install a package?  I want to install QTParted.  Synaptic complains that it needs libqtparted1.6-0 (>=1.6.0) but is not installable.  However, libparted1.6-12 is already installed!
[07:10] <mhandl> lunitik: no, not by default , dunno why, previews version did it without that.
[07:11] <BROKEN_LADDER> oh, the umask. duh
[07:11] <zenrox> lol
[07:11] <ratl3> what it not readable to users?
[07:11] <ratl3> oh
[07:12] <crimsun> DarthFrog: libqtparted1.6-0 vs. libparted1.6-12?
[07:12] <ratl3> man, the dvorak mistyping whole words has leaked into my qwerty use
[07:12] <DarthFrog> crimsun: No. libparted, not libqtparted.
[07:13] <crimsun> DarthFrog: What does libparted1.6-12 already being installed have to do with libqtparted1.6-0?
[07:13] <DarthFrog> crimsun: Ah.  The actual installed version is libparted1.6.20-0.exp.2ubuntu2
[07:13] <ratl3> heh, you can write to it
[07:13] <crimsun> DarthFrog: there ya go
[07:13] <ratl3> just don't change the file size of the file you are writing to
[07:14] <DarthFrog> crimsun: there is no libqtparted.  It has nothing to do with this.
[07:14] <lunitik> ratl3: ntfs driver doesn't support it without external kernel patches
[07:14] <crimsun> DarthFrog: that's precisely what I'm saying
[07:14] <DarthFrog> crimsun: Ah, I see.  My mistake earlier.
[07:14] <DarthFrog> crimsun: s/libparted/libqtparted/g :-)
[07:14] <crimsun> :-)
[07:14] <ratl3> really, i thought experimental write support was in the vanilla kernel
[07:15] <ratl3> i havn't patched my kernel that much
[07:15] <ace2001ac> is the chroot package in main/restricted or one of the others?
[07:15] <lunitik> ratl3: look at /boot/config-`uname -r` ... I don't think its enabled..
[07:15] <DarthFrog> crimsun: Anyway, do you know how to force Synaptic to install a package with unmet dependencies?
[07:16] <crimsun> DarthFrog: I don't know how to force Synaptic to, no; I use aptitude for those things.
[07:16] <lunitik> ratl3: # CONFIG_NTFS_RW is not set <-- what mine says...
[07:16] <crimsun> DarthFrog: are you absolutely certain you wish to force installation of a version? Often that leads to weeping and gnashing of teeth.
[07:17] <ratl3> writing support is in my kernel
[07:17] <DarthFrog> crimsun: Actually, I'm thinking again about it.  Normally, I'd be willing to live with the consequence.  But if a partition editor screws up, the consequences are a tad more serious. :-)
[07:17] <eclipse> which one is better to use: XFS or ReiserFS?
[07:17] <ratl3> 2.10 vanilla
[07:17] <DarthFrog> eclipse: Man, that's a loaded question.  What are you going to use the partition for?
[07:18] <crimsun> eclipse: your call. My vote would be for the former, but I tend to stack my filesystem with multimedia files.
[07:18] <eclipse> well, everyday use i would say
[07:18] <lunitik> ratl3: /exec -o cat /boot/config-`uname -r` | grep NTFS  <-- type into channel
[07:18] <ratl3> i'm on ubuntu
[07:18] <ratl3> i don't know about the ubunto kernel
[07:18] <DarthFrog> eclipse: Then reisrefs.  XFS is great for monster file systems, and for streaming multimedia.
[07:18] <ratl3> ubuntu
[07:18] <Myrtti> erhm. I installed KDE yesterday and I noticed I couldn't get my music in a windows machine via samba to play
[07:18] <lunitik> ratl3: I just pasted what the default kernel says.
[07:19] <Myrtti> It does play on the same software on Gnome, though
[07:19] <ratl3> i just did a make menuconfig in my kernel dir
[07:19] <eclipse> i like to listen to mp3's and what videos
[07:19] <ratl3> heh
[07:19] <eclipse> so which one is better?
[07:19] <DarthFrog> eclipse: For your use, reiser.
[07:19] <eclipse> DarthFrog: thnx
[07:20] <lunitik> DarthFrog: I thought reiser was better with small files?
[07:20] <DarthFrog> eclipse: if you were editing movies (i.e. at a movie studio, not home flicks) XFS.
[07:20] <ratl3> what would be better for a myth tv machine
[07:20] <DarthFrog> lunitik: it is.
[07:20] <ratl3> i've been leaning xfs
[07:20] <lunitik> DarthFrog: I guess my definition of 'small file' is warped then  ;)
[07:20] <eclipse> well, can i still use XFS?
[07:20] <DarthFrog> ratl3: I have a myth machine, running reiser.  I wish I had put XFS on it.  XFS is faster at deleting large files.
[07:20] <lunitik> eclipse: its not supported by grub, so /boot can't use XFS.
[07:20] <Myrtti> I think I'll uninstall KDE
[07:21] <ratl3> hmm
[07:21] <ratl3> ok
[07:21] <ratl3> ya, that's what i was going to put on it
[07:21] <ratl3> just seeing what everyone else though
[07:21] <ratl3> t
[07:21] <desrt> so... is 'universe' debian-packaged stuff?
[07:21] <eclipse> lunitik: but i don't use /boot partition
[07:22] <lunitik> eclipse: if I was you... I would use XFS on /home, and ext3 of /
[07:22] <DarthFrog> lunitik: no, your definition is fine.   reiser can pack "tails" of files into a single extent.  This is an efficient use of file space.
[07:22] <crimsun> desrt: generally, but modified for Ubuntu where necessary.
[07:22] <rom> i am creating a shell script that mounts all the smb shares on my network, how can i make it so i dont need 'sudo' in front of all the lines?
[07:22] <eclipse> well i've been using reiser for a while now so i'm gonna test xfs and see what happens
[07:23] <ratl3> is reiser4 ok yet?
[07:23] <DarthFrog> crimsun: Heh, I found gparted in Synaptic.  Don't need qtparted afterall. :-)
[07:23] <lunitik> crimsun: can 'smbfs' things go into fstab?
[07:24] <crimsun> lunitik: sure. Whether you'd want to is another story.
[07:24] <ratl3> hmm, is there a live cd with gparted on it?
[07:24] <lunitik> crimsun: haha... ok  :P
[07:24] <lunitik> ratl3: as far as I know, its not currently used by Ubuntu.
[07:25] <lunitik> ratl3: still 3 afaik
[07:25] <ratl3> nah, reiser 4 would be crazy in ubuntu right now
[07:25] <ratl3> i guess i just wanna play with it on my gentoo machine
[07:26] <Myrtti> lunitik: easy, try it
[07:26] <lunitik> Why do so many people come in here stating Gentoo  :'(
[07:27] <ratl3> i'm sorry
[07:27] <lunitik> Myrtti: *hugs XChat* ... she'd hate me  :(
[07:27] <lunitik> :P
[07:27] <cafuego> rom: make users run 'sudo script' or really, just mount the shares at bootup.
[07:27] <Myrtti> lunitik: http://irssi.org/themes/roses.png
[07:28] <Myrtti> <3
[07:28] <Seq> lunitik: if it makes you feel any better, im a gentoo convert
[07:28] <stuNNed> crimsun: what should i use as cd burning app if i want to get rid of k3b?
[07:28] <zenrox> stuNNed, graveman
[07:28] <crimsun> stuNNed: graveman?
[07:28] <ratl3> graveman?
[07:29] <ratl3> i haven't heard of that
[07:29] <Seq> graveman
[07:29] <lunitik> Seq: I switched my instructor to Ubuntu (at least briefly...)
[07:29] <stuNNed> man of the grave then it is !
[07:29] <rom> cafuego, i dont think sudo script works plus this is a comp and only want to mount the shares if they are actually connected to this comp and can be mounted
[07:29] <zenrox> lol
[07:29] <lunitik> Seq: ... from Gentoo... and another from Fedora... still to convert one from RH7.3 though (GRR  >:| )
[07:29] <Seq> lunitik: all of my *nix using classmates are really impressed with hoary, but they arn't using it yet themselves
[07:30] <ratl3> i'm on ubuntu
[07:30] <stuNNed> lunitik: hehehe
[07:30] <rom> lol gw ratl3
[07:30] <ratl3> i like it better on my laptop
[07:30] <Myrtti> I love my irssi, even more now that I added a bitlbee server connection on it
[07:31] <rom> another q, why isnt setenv working?
[07:31] <lunitik> ratl3: *g* but Gentoo contains the same source code... you can't get it working right on your laptop? I guess compiling yourself isn't always the answer?
[07:31] <ratl3> does graveman support flac?
[07:31] <zenrox> ratl3,  find out
[07:31] <lunitik> ratl3: it supports audio files... it doesn't care what type they are  :/
[07:31] <lunitik> ratl3: cdrecord --audio  :/
[07:31] <ratl3> a 700mhz computer
[07:32] <ratl3> i was wondering if it transcoded to wavs or raw files
[07:32] <lunitik> ratl3: eh... means nothing... how much RAM is the question...
[07:32] <ratl3> for compiling it does
[07:32] <ratl3> just a pain in the ass
[07:32] <lunitik> ratl3: eh... still talking about Gentoo in #ubuntu?
[07:33] <ratl3> hah
[07:33] <ratl3> sorry
[07:33] <ratl3> i'll stop talking about gentoo
[07:33] <zenrox> ratl3,  if you like why not convert
[07:33] <zenrox> err like this channel
[07:33] <ratl3> on my desktop?
[07:33] <zenrox> yes
[07:33] <Seq> ratl3: REPENT!
[07:33] <ratl3> nah, i'd rather not
[07:34] <zenrox> lunitik,  thats why i dint like it 7 days to get it whrare i wanted it
[07:34] <Seq> i should admit though, i do actually have gentoo on my desktop
[07:34] <bryan> once i was at my friends house who uses gentoo, he'd never heard about firefox before, so he went to compile it, took like 3 hours
[07:34] <zenrox> and i had a fast cpu
[07:34] <bryan> i left laughing
[07:34] <DarthFrog> lunitik: I have Gentoo on a testbed machine.  I don't seem to do anything with it other than compiling updates. :-)
[07:34] <factotum> eh, if i where to consider gentoo, id just go bsd for the fun of it
[07:35] <lunitik> DarthFrog: so its one of your more productive boxes?  :)
[07:35] <_4strO> yop yop
[07:35] <stuNNed> gentoo makes good for small package set imho
[07:35] <zenrox> i have a copy of solaris 10 x86
[07:35] <DarthFrog> lunitik: Considering that it's just for testing, it's productive enough. :-)
[07:35] <lunitik> factotum: pkg_add can use binary files.
[07:35] <zenrox> ant bine willing to install it yet
[07:36] <factotum> i know
[07:36] <lunitik> zenrox: I had a copy... didn't much like it.
[07:36] <zenrox> first off the install was slow
[07:36] <ratl3> ya, the build pkg thing is nice
[07:36] <zenrox> then wanted to use its partion manger insted of linuxs
[07:36] <ratl3> gentoo is like linux from scratch but with a package manager
[07:37] <lunitik> zenrox: installation took like 3 hours (you HAVE to install all 4 discs) ... then I had to fiddle with 3rd party NIC drivers... pain in the butt... it supports like 10 NICs on x86  :/
[07:37] <bryan> anyone tried OO Defrag for linux yet?
[07:37] <factotum> im just saying if i where to go distro-hopping again, i might as well go back to fbsd
[07:38] <lunitik> factotum: I seem to use the Linux compatibility stuff a lot on fbsd... heh
[07:38] <DarthFrog> Gentoo is a lovely distro for folks who like that sort of thing. :-)
[07:38] <ratl3> or.. OSX?
[07:38] <ratl3> hah
[07:38] <zenrox> i ant really ready to try unix
[07:38] <huwr> When Hoary comes out I can just apt-get it, right?
[07:38] <bryan> cool, if you put your mouse over the virtual desktop thing on the bottom panel and scroll your mouse wheel it changes desktops :D
[07:38] <zenrox> huwr, yes
[07:38] <ratl3> you can do that now huwr
[07:38] <factotum> well yea, an os needs apps
[07:38] <DarthFrog> huwr: apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:38] <lunitik> huwr: umm... yes
[07:38] <ratl3> it's working great for me
[07:39] <zenrox> ya the preview is out
[07:39] <huwr> excellent.
[07:39] <huwr> Cheers.
[07:39] <Seq> ratl3: yeah, but it's not quite stabalized
[07:39] <huwr> Well, I used to do that with Debian, I was wondering if it worked with this as well. I thought it would.
[07:39] <huwr> Anyway.
[07:39] <huwr> Thanks, guys.
[07:39] <DarthFrog> huwr: Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list file first.  Change warty to hoary.
[07:39] <ratl3> it's ok
[07:39] <stuNNed> crimsun: can graveman do iso's or just rely on nautilus for that?
[07:39] <icemanT> hey there, can anyone help plz
[07:39] <factotum> gnu is a seperate entitiy, linux, bsd, herd, whatever are just different OS's to run its software
[07:39] <zenrox> stuNNed,  ya it should
[07:39] <lunitik> zenrox: with Debian based distro's, new versions are irrelivant... its why so many don't care about Sarge...
[07:39] <DarthFrog> factotum: Wrongo, reindeer lover.
[07:40] <huwr> DarthFrog, shouldn't I just wait for Hoary to come out and just run apt-get dist-upgrade?
[07:40] <lunitik> zenrox: the DD's are very good about not b0rking things during upgrades mostly
[07:40] <DarthFrog> huwr: Your call.  Hoary is in the release candidate stage.
[07:40] <factotum> DarthFrog, alright LOL, i must be interpriting what I read incorrectly heh
[07:40] <lunitik> huwr: why not do it now? stable enough  :/
[07:40] <ratl3> hmm, it doesn't say anything about flacs on the graveman site
[07:40] <DarthFrog> factotum: Hurd is a kernel, not an OS.
[07:41] <Seq> lunitik: its still got tonnes of update every time i check (every two or so days)
[07:41] <factotum> not suprised, havent read much on hurd
[07:41] <lunitik> ratl3: graveman is just a pretty gui for cdrecord... doesn't care so long as libflac is installed.
[07:41] <huwr> lunitik, because i'm a freak and these are pretty mission machines that I don't want to root. ;)
[07:41] <huwr> anyway, bye.
[07:41] <zenrox> lunitik,  ya but i was impressed with its abilty to run a 1 location updated kernel for a net work boot and i was going to put ubuntu it like that and see if i can get it to net boot
[07:41] <ratl3> really it has support for libflac?
[07:42] <zenrox> lunitik,  off of a solaris 10 sys
[07:42] <zenrox> i want a sun machine
[07:42] <lunitik> ratl3: its clueless about format, it could care less.
[07:42] <zenrox> really bad
[07:42] <ratl3> some of the other gnome burning apps crashed on flacs
[07:42] <MyNameIsChris> Anyone here using the audio on an ich5 southbridge?
[07:42] <ratl3> coaster
[07:42] <DarthFrog> factotum: The Free Software Foundation considers GNU to be the OS itself.  They are developing the Hurd kernel for GNU.  They consider Linux to just be a kernel for the GNU system.
[07:42] <factotum> reindeer lover?
[07:42] <DarthFrog> factotum: You had to be there. :-)
[07:42] <factotum> ah
[07:43] <lunitik> zenrox: nothing really impressed me about Solaris 10... I mean, its not slow like people have said, but hardware support is a joke...
[07:43] <zenrox> lunitik,  ya i agree
[07:43] <icemanT> i had debian installed on my system including windoze, and lilo installed in the mbr.....i wiped out debian and installed ubuntu, the problem is that ubuntu installs grub by default, so when the installation finished and i rebooted, Lilo was still there, so i flushed the mbr , after i rebooted grub appeared and gave me an "error 22".....any ideas?
[07:43] <zenrox> solaris is worse than gnu/linux
[07:43] <lunitik> zenrox: I also don't see much advantage in a SPARC over an x86 machine... other than the obvious... but they are very expensive machines...
[07:43] <zenrox> ya
[07:44] <factotum> DarthFrog, huh, wierd. It's crazy to see how different groups opinionate what's the os, what's the kernel, even some cases of is there a difference
[07:44] <DarthFrog> factotum:  The Free Software Foundation would refer to Ubuntu as Ubuntu GNU/Linux.
[07:44] <zenrox> but ill never get one of thoes
[07:44] <ratl3> you need a live cd or a boot floppy icemanT
[07:44] <ratl3> and you need to rebuild your mbr for grub
[07:44] <Seq> ratl3: i believe graveman uses sox to convert audio
[07:44] <ratl3> oh, ok
[07:44] <DarthFrog> factotum: It's not wierd, exactly. It's RMS' opinions and politics. :-)
[07:44] <helio7> does anyone have a good gpg keyserver they could recommend?  I'm thinking google isn't the best place to find one
[07:44] <icemanT> ratl3: the thing is i reinstalled ubuntu again, still the same problem
[07:45] <Seq> ratl3: is that on your gentoo machine? if I recall, there was a libflac bug in their bugzilla that caused things like gstreamer to crash when trying to use flac files
[07:45] <ratl3> ya, it was
[07:45] <icemanT> i also tried the expert mode, and tried installing lilo instead of grub,the installation froze during lilo
[07:45] <DarthFrog> factotum: RMS is Richard Matthew Stallman.  GNU and the FSF are  his babies.
[07:45] <ratl3> hmm, i was attributing it to the mono shit
[07:45] <icemanT> im installing hoari
[07:45] <factotum> DarthFrog, yea, im still getting used to that. The opinions vs. headlines lol.
[07:45] <lunitik> Seq: hmm... well, its a dep... but likely only to depend libflac and others...
[07:46] <Amaranth> how can mono affect libflac?
[07:46] <ratl3> the program
[07:46] <Amaranth> which?
[07:46] <ratl3> coaster
[07:46] <Amaranth> oh
[07:46] <Amaranth> coast is C :)
[07:46] <DarthFrog> factotum: RMS and the FSF made the GNU system.  It was pretty much complete in the early ninties other than needing a kernel.  Linus Torvalds took GNU and added his kernel to it.
[07:46] <Amaranth> uses libburn isntead of cdrecord
[07:46] <factotum> i dumped redmond about a year ago. Just happen to like this more. Now I'm at the point of trying to understand who's involved, where and what everything is.
[07:47] <ratl3> oh, well, the mono one
[07:47] <ratl3> can't remember it's name
[07:47] <DarthFrog> factotum: the combo at first was called Freax, then was renamed Linux.
[07:47] <Amaranth> there is a C# cd burner?
[07:47] <ratl3> i think
[07:47] <Seq> Amaranth: i don't understand your mono libflac question
[07:47] <Amaranth> Seq: Was asking ratl3, I misunderstood him.
[07:47] <factotum> DarthFrog, ah yea. I remember reading about that, gnu and the kernel
[07:48] <Seq> ahhh
[07:48] <factotum> baking-soda and vinigar heh
[07:48] <ratl3> gnomebaker
[07:48] <ratl3> that's the mono one
[07:48] <zenrox> factotum,  haave you watched the 2 movies about linux and gnu opensourse
[07:48] <lunitik> DarthFrog: no... Linus first named his kernel 'Freax', but it was never released under that name... it was never assosiated with GNU however...
[07:48] <factotum> uh...movies?  cant say I have
[07:48] <factotum> sounds interesting though
[07:49] <DarthFrog> factotum: about 5 or so years later, RMS realised that GNU and the FSF were being over-shadowed by Linux.  He's been trying to get everyone to acknowledge and honour him since then.  He absolutely insists that the system be called GNU/Linux.  At first, he tried to foist LiGNUx.  That went nowhere.
[07:49] <zenrox> factotum,  the code, revoulition os
[07:49] <DarthFrog> lunitik: Yes, I know.  The sysadmin at Helsinki renamed it Linux.
[07:49] <ratl3> Amaranth: did you get that? gnomebaker
[07:50] <Seq> ratl3: i never understood why people make cd burning apps that look like that
[07:50] <DarthFrog> factotum: I agree that RMS and the FSF deserve a great deal of credit.  But I simply hate the name GNU/Linux.  It's ugly.  I also dislike the name Kubuntu.
[07:50] <factotum> DarthFrog, so is RMS just stomping his feet or is there merit to that feeling of being overshadowed?
[07:50] <lunitik> DarthFrog: haha @ LiGNUx ... didn't know that... RMS should just leave the Acid alone!
[07:50] <DarthFrog> factotum: Lots of merit.
[07:50] <factotum> i thought so
[07:51] <ratl3> ya, i was trying to replace this k3b shit
[07:51] <dazed||oot> when setting up ubuntu....how do i not erase my windows partition and still install ubuntu? also i cant boot windows at this moment?
[07:51] <DarthFrog> lunitik: Google it. :-)   I don't think anyone except RMS himself used the name LiGNUx.
[07:51] <ratl3> i was trying everything
[07:51] <factotum> i read a bit about his story with some printer drivers and how it kind of started out
[07:51] <lunitik> factotum: there is merit to some extent... but I mean, its rediculous... what he wants to call "GNU/Linux", we actually call "Ubuntu" or "Fedora"...
[07:51] <zenrox> dazed||oot,  did ya slect auto partion
[07:51] <DarthFrog> lunitik: And there was a great deal of resentment against him trying to change the name.  That's when he went to GNU/Linux.
[07:51] <jnow> i want install xorg
[07:51] <Amaranth> ratl3: gnomebaker is _not_ C#
[07:51] <dazed||oot> how
[07:52] <dazed||oot> partitioner comes up
[07:52] <ratl3> really?
[07:52] <zenrox> dazed||oot,  during the install
[07:52] <lunitik> DarthFrog: I think its better that we just say "Ubuntu"... that way, no one is happy, but everyone shuts up  :)
[07:52] <factotum> It is kind of a hazy area, there hasn't really been a situation like this, that I know of, involving an OS or whatever anyone wants to call it
[07:52] <DarthFrog> lunitik: Not quite right.  he has no problems with the names Fedora or Ubuntu.  Just not Fedora Linux or ubuntu Linux.  :-)
[07:52] <dazed||oot> i get a menu that says Configure software RAID ....Configure Logical Volume Manager.....Guided Partitioning...Help on Partitioning....then it says my HD with 19.9 NTFS
[07:52] <Myrtti> making easy and simple things complicated
[07:53] <Myrtti> it's an os ffs
[07:53] <lunitik> DarthFrog: considering linux is actually such a small file in most cases... it should also be dropped imo
[07:53] <factotum> no one person is going to day "this is what it is, cut and dry" and have everyone not their head in agreement
[07:53] <Seq> google search for "mono cd burner" is exactly not what i was looking for...
[07:53] <ratl3> Amaranth: my memory just made that up... i'm sorry
[07:53] <factotum> day/say
[07:53] <DarthFrog> lunitik: Well, the trouble with that is, is that we need a unifying name.  And Linux is it.
[07:54] <DarthFrog> The Ravening Beast of Redmond already has enough targets. :-)
[07:54] <factotum> zenrox, thanks for the movie titles
[07:54] <lunitik> Seq: ignore anyone that ever says "Mono has something for that"... just use graveman... its the best in the archive.
[07:54] <zenrox> dazed||oot,  welll dont do auto partions
[07:54] <DarthFrog> We don't want the Unix wars all over again.
[07:54] <jnow> when install xorg ,it must uninstall more package ,why?
[07:54] <dazed||oot> zenrox: i get a menu that says Configure software RAID ....Configure Logical Volume Manager.....Guided Partitioning...Help on Partitioning....then it says my HD with 19.9 NTFS
[07:54] <ratl3> hey!
[07:54] <Seq> lunitik: i use nautilus cd burner, actually.
[07:54] <zenrox> dazed||oot,  your going to need to resize the partion
[07:54] <dazed||oot> how i have a knoppix live cd
[07:54] <lunitik> DarthFrog: "Ubuntu, LSB 2.0 Certified"
[07:54] <zenrox> dazed||oot,  and i dont know how to do that
[07:54] <ratl3> lunitik!
[07:55] <lunitik> ratl3!
[07:55] <factotum> rabbits!
[07:55] <dazed||oot> anyone know how to resize a partition
[07:55] <ratl3> hah
[07:55] <DarthFrog> lunitik: Too late for that.  The name Linux has the marketplace mindshare.
[07:55] <factotum> heh
[07:55] <Amaranth> Amaranth!
[07:55] <lunitik> dazed||oot: man parted
[07:55] <lunitik> DarthFrog: *kicks IBM in the nuts*
[07:55] <DarthFrog> dazed||oot: use gparted.
[07:56] <Amaranth> lunitik: IBM just jumped on the bandwagon, Linux was a known word before that
[07:56] <ratl3> what live cd has gparted on it?
[07:56] <DarthFrog> IBM did a lot more than simply jump on the bandwagon.
[07:56] <ratl3> is there a partition live cd?
[07:56] <goldfish> install cd
[07:56] <goldfish> :)
[07:56] <lunitik> Amaranth: not really... it was about as known as FreeBSD... tomorrow... ask 10 random people what FreeBSD is... hell, most still don't know what Linux is.
[07:56] <DarthFrog> IBM's support of Linux is of incalculable value.
[07:56] <ratl3> hah
[07:56] <dazed||oot> i cant boot up comp i only have a knoppix live disc
[07:57] <jnow> are there someone speak chinese?
[07:57] <ratl3> is qtparted on that?
[07:57] <lunitik> ratl3: the LiveCD has parted
[07:57] <dazed||oot> ratl3
[07:57] <dazed||oot> yes
[07:57] <DarthFrog> Go to a Fortune 500 company and say, "It's officially supported by IBM".  That's credibility!
[07:57] <lunitik> dazed||oot: knoppix has qtparted
[07:57] <dazed||oot> i dunno how to use it
[07:58] <dazed||oot> i get errors everytime i think im doing something
[07:58] <factotum> im just waiting for win to implode into nothing more than an over-hyped net tv knockoff
[07:58] <DarthFrog> factotum: Not going to happen.  Ever.
[07:58] <lunitik> factotum: never gonna happen
[07:58] <factotum> ah well, to dream then I guess ;)
[07:58] <ratl3> i think you mean implode into an unusable ad machine
[07:58] <factotum> yea more or less
[07:59] <zenrox> factotum,  linux has also premated in software based dvd players ,sat recvers etc....
[07:59] <zenrox> windows cant do that well
[07:59] <factotum> oh yes, so Ive seen
[07:59] <DarthFrog> Mind you, if all the games that one could buy were to run on Linux, Windows would be really, really threatened.
[07:59] <lunitik> factotum: perhaps, Microsoft will become irrelivant in the Server market... but too many people know Windows, and teach it.
[07:59] <dazed_> once in qtparted what do i need to do?
[07:59] <factotum> like their i-pod competitor that plays only .wmv
[07:59] <ratl3> god
[07:59] <goldfish> DarthFrog: Windows would be unused if that was the case :)
[07:59] <ratl3> i hate wmv
[07:59] <DarthFrog> dazed_: Back up your data!!!!!!
[08:00] <factotum> not that i have an i-pod, I prefer the rio's myself, but cmon
[08:00] <dazed_> how lol!!!!
[08:00] <DarthFrog> goldfish: That's my point. :-)
[08:00] <omniscient> hey the past couple of days i've been trying to update hoary and keep getting errors with postfix, postfix-tls, and ubuntu-base, anyone else getting this?
[08:00] <dazed_> im so new to this partitioning stuff
[08:00] <crimsun> omniscient: are you using dist-upgrade?
[08:00] <omniscient> crimsun, sure am
[08:00] <dazed_> i screwed it up once on my pc i cant screw it up on my laptop
[08:00] <DarthFrog> Hoary uses  postfix, not exim?   Darn it.
[08:00] <lunitik> omniscient: 'apt-get dist-upgrade'
[08:00] <Seq> the only thing I think we need is a good slideshow viewer to fit in with abiword, gnumeric, and the other "gnome office" apps
[08:00] <ratl3> do you have an extra hard drive dazed?
[08:00] <omniscient> i'm doing that
[08:00] <goldfish> DarthFrog: :)
[08:00] <lunitik> DarthFrog: warty uses postfix too  :/
[08:01] <Amaranth> lunitik: Lots of people already knew about Linux. All IBM did was give us commercials and another backer.
[08:01] <DarthFrog> lunitik:  But I know and love Exim! :-)
[08:01] <Seq> once "managers" can do their slide show presentations, everybody is "happy"
[08:01] <ratl3> openoffice 2 is sweet!
[08:01] <factotum> heh, got bored and alaised my apt-get dist-upgrade to pray
[08:01] <abcd1234> lol
[08:01] <lunitik> Amaranth: geeks knew about Linux before IBM got involved... well, maybe somewhat Oracle too...
[08:01] <Seq> ratl3: yeah, but it's still huge and has some quirky issues
[08:01] <ratl3> ya, the gnome-vfs shit
[08:02] <lunitik> Seq: OOo is modular now it appears...
[08:02] <dazed_> Hey i got an error says 'Filesystem check failed! Windows wasn't shutdown properly or inconsistent'
[08:02] <Amaranth> lunitik: Any business running some form of UNIX knew about Linux, I can almost guarantee that.
[08:02] <zenrox> lunitik,  it was apache web server , then orical
[08:02] <crimsun> omniscient: I have postfix & postfix-tls installed but not ubuntu-base.
[08:02] <Seq> lunitik: to a point. it still takes a noticeable amount of time to launch
[08:02] <dazed_> can anyone help!?
[08:03] <lunitik> Seq: its beta... likely contains a lot of debugging stuff right now.
[08:03] <factotum> dazed_, you trying to dual-boot?
[08:03] <dazed_> yes factotum
[08:03] <omniscient> crimsun, do you think these things missing will cause problems? well not missing, but not up to date
[08:03] <factotum> hmmph
[08:03] <crimsun> omniscient: will be fixed for release
[08:03] <dazed_> all i have is a knoppix live cd thats working right now
[08:03] <dazed_> my windows wont boot
[08:03] <Seq> lunitik: i doubt it will be amazingly better for load times on release
[08:04] <lunitik> omniscient: you do what I said (apt-get dist-upgrade)
[08:04] <omniscient> crimsun: cool. i was just wanting to update my laptop's install, i think i might just keep that on warty
[08:04] <DarthFrog> dazed_: Prepare to re-install Windows.
[08:04] <lunitik> Seq: it was pretty much the primary goal... so it better be!
[08:04] <omniscient> lunitik, i was doign that in the first place
[08:04] <dazed_> i dont have the disk DarthFrog
[08:04] <dazed_> :(
[08:04] <ratl3> can you boot into windows at all daazed_?
[08:04] <dazed_> no i get blue screen of death during boot sequence
[08:04] <Seq> lunitik: it doesn't look too modular to me.
[08:04] <ratl3> ouch
[08:04] <factotum> dazed_, a quick n dirty way is fdiskmbr with win boot cd, then i think reinstall grub?  Id have to sit and look at what you have for partition layout
[08:04] <dazed_> in safe mode and all forms of booting
[08:05] <DarthFrog> dazed_:  Yep, that's a re-install.
[08:05] <dazed_> damn
[08:05] <dazed_> ill have to get my hands on a disc somehoe
[08:05] <ratl3> do you have any other computers around?
[08:05] <dazed_> somehow*
[08:05] <Seq> lunitik: openoffice.or2-core is 144MB ; openoffice.org2-writer is 3158kB
[08:05] <bored2k> I need help someone
[08:05] <dazed_> thoguht i had atleast 3 lieing around
[08:05] <dazed_> yes ratl3 im on my pc
[08:05] <dazed_> completely linux
[08:05] <lunitik> Seq: apt-cache search openoffice.org2 ... notice openoffice.org2-math, openoffice.org2-impress, openoffice.org2-writer ... modular  :/
[08:05] <ratl3> could you back up your files to it?
[08:06] <bored2k> How can i erase/clear the history of my Run Applications panel [alt f2] ???
[08:06] <dazed_> yeah prolly
[08:06] <dazed_> i got enough room
[08:06] <factotum> thats how i switched, one fine day, on a crash-and-reinstall, slackware happened to be sitting closer to me. and i thought "what the hell, why not"
[08:06] <dazed_> i can prolly just get a windows disk tomorrow though
[08:06] <lunitik> Seq: look up definition of modular... also, like I said, its likely containing a lot of debugging right now...
[08:06] <Seq> lunitik: i will after you do
[08:06] <ratl3> ok, you're fine then
[08:06] <factotum> went slack, fbsd, deb, ubu
[08:07] <dazed_> so ill do a windows repair tomorrow then setup a partition in a windows program and dual boot that way
[08:07] <Seq> lunitik: just because the binary for the 'writer' component is in a separate package does not make it moduler
[08:07] <bored2k> Anyone please -- How can i erase/clear the history of my Run Applications panel [alt f2] ???
[08:07] <Seq> bleh, modular
[08:07] <bryan> bored2k:  applications>system tools>configuration editor>gnome-settings>gnome-panel
[08:07] <dazed_> how old is ubu?
[08:07] <lunitik> adj : constructed with standardized units or dimensions allowing flexibility and variety in use; "modular furniture"; "modular homes"
[08:07] <lunitik> Seq: don't need math if its unneeded  :/
[08:07] <factotum> dont know, ive only used it for about a week so far
[08:08] <factotum> like it so far ;P
[08:08] <bored2k> bryan how do i clear it ??
[08:08] <dazed_> yeah i think im on a week myself
[08:08] <bryan> use your brain
[08:09] <Seq> lunitik: -math is only 1204KB. do you expect me to believe the _entire_ functionality of the math component is 1MB, or that large amounts of effort were spent to ensure this could be shipped separately?
[08:09] <ratl3> man, windows
[08:09] <bored2k> bryan c`mon! the values in history-gnome-run are a bunch of apps, no yes/no/flase ??
[08:09] <bryan> duh
[08:10] <bored2k> bryan lol my bad
[08:10] <bored2k> thanx
[08:10] <bryan> apps that you've run from the 'run applications'
[08:10] <Seq> lunitik: -draw is 360KB. the only thing that looks like it can be separated is -calc, which is 13.9MB
[08:10] <factotum> still have my fbsd file server though, that thing has been going since summer. Just an old p166 w/64megs.
[08:10] <lunitik> Seq: irrelivant to 'modular'... don't want it? don't install it... hence modular...
[08:11] <Seq> lunitik: that is not actually modular, it just doesn't install a launcher for it. the functionality is still installed and present, you just cant access it
[08:11] <Seq> its all combined together in one "hugeass" package still.
[08:11] <ratl3> you on dialup or something?
[08:12] <lunitik> ratl3: we preseed comments with a username for a reason...
[08:12] <lunitik> ratl3: who exactly are you talking to?
[08:12] <ratl3> hah
[08:12] <ratl3> Seq
[08:13] <Seq> ratl3: no
[08:13] <ratl3> ok
[08:14] <ratl3> lunitik: sorry about being lazy, just not too comfortable in qwerty
[08:14] <lunitik> ratl3: lun[tab] 
[08:14] <lunitik> ratl3: we're all lazy... thats why we use Linux!
[08:14] <lunitik> It takes less to do more!
[08:14] <ratl3> lunitik: oh, xchat has tab completion
[08:14] <ratl3> lunitik, nice!
[08:14] <lunitik> ratl3: I can't name an IRC client that doesn't!
[08:15] <crimsun> ircII ;-)
[08:15] <ratl3> lunitik, i don't chat on irc that much
[08:15] <lunitik> actually... scratch that... I don't think ircii did (I think thats its name)
[08:15] <lunitik> Or Epic actually...
[08:15] <ratl3> hah
[08:16] <lunitik> crimsun: gah... yeah... I remembered before you said that  :)
[08:17] <lunitik> crimsun: does epic?
[08:17] <crimsun> lunitik: by default, I don't think so, but scripts...
[08:17] <ratl3> ok, i'm happy now
[08:18] <ratl3> hah
[08:18] <lunitik> crimsun: I only recall running it for an hour or so... didn't look into much... trying to find something that sucked less than bitchx   :)
[08:19] <ratl3> hmm, i need to try out pptp vpn at school in a couple days
[08:20] <ratl3> i've installed the pptp config package
[08:20] <ratl3> i hope it works
[08:23] <ratl3> oh, that reminds me... how many of you are active evangelists?
[08:23] <ratl3> heh
[08:24] <ratl3> ok, i guess i should go now too
[08:24] <ratl3> all alone
[08:24] <exknoppix> Ubuntu evangelists or Christian evangelists?
[08:24] <ratl3> ubuntu or just linux in general
[08:25] <ratl3> i don't really want to talk to the Christian ones
[08:25] <exknoppix> I'm too lazy and mellow to be an evangelist
[08:25] <d3vic3> wtf?
[08:25] <ratl3> it's a problem with me
[08:25] <exknoppix> sometimes I mention Linux to regular non-techie people ... but they're too hooked to MS Windows
[08:26] <ratl3> I MUST CONVERT!
[08:26] <ratl3> hah
[08:26] <exknoppix> what, people are too evangelical or not evangelical enough?
[08:26] <DarthFrog> I try not to be a zealot in my evangelism.  Rather I try to give an honest and balanced approach, one where I acknowledge my biases.
[08:26] <ratl3> it's real hard though
[08:27] <DarthFrog> ratl3: That's exactly the wrong approach.  Telling them they "must" do something will only get their backs up.
[08:27] <DarthFrog> Instead, find out their dissatisfactions and deal with them.
[08:27] <ratl3> i said 'I MUST'
[08:27] <ratl3> but, ya, i agree
[08:27] <ratl3> it's a psychological game
[08:28] <exknoppix> if you're a tech enthusiast and really want to dig into some awesome tools, then I say Linux (or some non-proprietary system) ... but if you just vant to get some work done and you're already comfortable in Windows, then just stay there, for now
[08:28] <ratl3> work done in windows?
[08:28] <DarthFrog> My preferred approach is to be approachable.  Give them some teaser info and let them come to me. Let them sell themselves.
[08:28] <ratl3> when it's not crashing?
[08:28] <bryan> umm
[08:29] <bryan> windows honestly doesn't crash that much
[08:29] <bryan> especially if you know how to take care of it
[08:29] <ratl3> exactly
[08:29] <DarthFrog> Not anymore, it doesn't,
[08:29] <exknoppix> with stuff like browser tabbing and awesome wget installlation and multiple desktops, a crucial threshold will be crossed some day (I hope)
[08:29] <DarthFrog> It's finally a decent system, for stability.
[08:29] <DarthFrog> For security, well, that's another matter.
[08:29] <ratl3> i was including the spyware adware shit
[08:30] <ratl3> i only use windows on other peoples computers
[08:30] <exknoppix> I've been thinking about offering to install Linux on people's machines ... would be interesting to do "market research" and post the results
[08:30] <ratl3> and they don't know how to take care of it
[08:30] <exknoppix> really, the big hassle is that people don't want to bother with the install
[08:30] <DarthFrog> exknoppix: You'll find yourself being called upon to do *ALL* their support.
[08:30] <ratl3> but still, it requires you to reinstall it every year or so
[08:31] <ratl3> heh, make them pay you exknoppix
[08:31] <viper12> I just moved my dad over to linux..........because it kept slowin' down. ---if you know what i mean?  he was sick to DEATH of all the crap he had to do to keep spyware/malware/viruses from infesting his box.  He knows zippo about Linux....but he's a happy as a clam now.
[08:31] <exknoppix> I think that if you did a couple weeks of hand-holding, then most people would come to love Linux. There is a lot of great stuff out there.
[08:31] <viper12> (windows kept slowing down.) - insert.
[08:32] <ratl3> all computer novices *should* run as root
[08:32] <viper12> hand holding exknoppix? for what?  if you know linux.....and get the install right at the beginning...the end user doesn't need hand holding...nor can the end user screw it up. ;)
[08:32] <viper12> lmao ratl3
[08:32] <DarthFrog> ratl3: Umm...
[08:32] <exknoppix> DarthFrog: agreed, and, at present, I'm not motivated enough to do all that support ... I suggest the idea only as a way to do "market research" ... gather data on how real non-techies respond to current Linux
[08:33] <ratl3> actually ubuntu wouldn't require any support
[08:33] <ratl3> or maybe a little
[08:33] <ratl3> but less than windows
[08:33] <exknoppix> viper12: if you've spent 5-10 years on Windows, then you have all these habits and expectations ... many little things are different on Linux and your average non-techie person will get turned off unless they get a lot of gentle encouragement
[08:34] <DarthFrog> ratl3: You're kidding yourself.
[08:34] <ratl3> i don't know
[08:34] <ratl3> hmm
[08:34] <DarthFrog> Less than Windows, yes.
[08:34] <ratl3> ya, iu corrected myseld
[08:35] <ratl3> but all you'd have to do is set it up
[08:35] <DarthFrog> In the overall, that's true.  But until the novice users get as accomplished in Ubuntu as they already are in Windows, their support needs will be greater.
[08:35] <exknoppix> if you have a 100% tech-newbie, then today, Linux may actually be easier to learn than Windows ... however, 95% of potential Linux converts out there are non-techies with experience with Windows ... it's like moving to a different country after growing up somewhere else
[08:35] <viper12> don't completely agree with that one exknoppix.  My current example (dad) doesn't live with me.  He's had windows for several years.  He surfs, online banks via web, plays solitaire, listens to tunes.  I set up an ubuntu install and got the mp3/ web plugs set, configured a clean desktop and after 20 minutes I left him to it.  He hasn't called me about it all week, cept yesterday to thank me for a cool machine.
[08:35] <bryan> i've been thinking about changing over my gf's 'rents, but her mom needs to access a Exchange server for work, via IE
[08:36] <exknoppix> what's interesting is how people in developing nations pick up Linux because many have zero Windows habits ... there, we may gain an unassailable install base
[08:36] <ratl3> you can run IE in linux
[08:36] <ratl3> heh
[08:36] <bryan> can/could/would/should/wouldn't
[08:36] <ratl3> try crossover
[08:36] <ratl3> haha
[08:36] <ratl3> it's good for testing your site
[08:37] <ratl3> there is an initial learning curve for linux
[08:37] <viper12> Most users don't have the first clue about IE/FF/Opera.  They all have similar controls, show the web, back/forth stop/home buttons.  They wanna do what they do and not be bothered by the crap that infests windows soo damn easily anymore.
[08:38] <ratl3> but over the long run i think it is currently easier for the novice to ue
[08:38] <exknoppix> viper12: number #1, _you_ set things up ... number #2, your dad didn't run into any nasty quirks. with my online banking, firefox does now work because my stupid bank are idiots so I have to fake things ... number #3, lots of people doing real work, use minor apps that aren't 100% there in Linux yet. and there will gripe.
[08:38] <viper12> And as far as the learning curve goes, for the experienced pc'er, that all depends upon how deeply down the rabbit hole we wish to go.
[08:38] <dash> if we had a decent replacement for quicken/quickbooks, i have a lot of windows users i could convert today
[08:39] <ratl3> again they run nicely in wine
[08:39] <ratl3> :/
[08:39] <dash> eh
[08:39] <ratl3> heh
[08:39] <dash> i've tried
[08:39] <ratl3> what my dad uses
[08:39] <exknoppix> rat13: actually, I think that Linux _has_ crossed that threshold of ease of use ... Linux is pretty amazing these days ... I remember using Linux back in 1995 -- ouch, especially on set up
[08:39] <dash> there's still some quirks, last i checked
[08:39] <viper12> exknoppix,  if it wasn't for MY PERSONAL BIAS against KDE, I'd have run the installer for Xandros, and WALKED AWAY and let him at it.
[08:40] <exknoppix> see ... it's all these different apps that people are used to ... for some people it's quicken/quickbooks ... for others, it's something else
[08:40] <DarthFrog> Another thing, if a home user needs Windows support, well, the Kid Next Door <tm> can provide it.  There aren't so many readily available linux supporters on hand in the neighbourhood.
[08:40] <dash> exknoppix: yep
[08:40] <ratl3> dash, he's running the crossover version, but i'm sure they work nicely in regular wine
[08:40] <ratl3> that's why we need the kids next door runnin linux
[08:40] <dash> ratl3: yeah, i tried it with cxoffice.
[08:41] <exknoppix> really, Linux is under an unfair situation ... few non-techies would ever be willing to do a Windows installation
[08:41] <ratl3> dash, what version?
[08:41] <dash> ratl3: 3.0
[08:41] <DarthFrog> ratl3: you'll get no argument from me on that.
[08:41] <ratl3> all the people that make me support them i put linux on their computer
[08:41] <ratl3> freaking family
[08:42] <ratl3> saves me alot of time
[08:42] <viper12> exactly exknoppix ...........people are used to windows, but when they run into problems.....(the novice users) its off to the land of microsoft support at a zillion an hour on hold.  FUD is holding linux back...as well as the fact that beause its free, there are no full page ads for it in the local paper.
[08:42] <exknoppix> that's just it ... you have to jump through extra hoops like crossover ... most people get impatient with the smallest nuisance in, say, retail ... we have a very short attention span and demanding attitude in many areas of our life
[08:42] <DarthFrog> ratl3: Yeah, but they've supported you all these years. :-)
[08:42] <ratl3> ya, i agree
[08:42] <ratl3> ha
[08:42] <Amaranth> ratl3: I'd do that for my grandparents if my grandpa didn't like to play those damn Madden games.
[08:42] <rom> can i copy a file from my computer to a ssh server using ssh in terminal?
[08:42] <DarthFrog> rom: Use rsync or scp.
[08:43] <ratl3> i still don't want to have to mess with the headache of windows anymore
[08:43] <exknoppix> "kids next door runnin linux" ... totally, grassroots is like crab grass ... hard to eradicate once it gets going
[08:43] <dash> rom: sure. 'scp foo example.com:foo'
[08:43] <ratl3> have you tried the nautilus ssh support?
[08:43] <dongjin> Does anyone know how to use swsusp (Suspend to Desk)? Thanks.
[08:43] <rom> what is foo example.com:foo
[08:43] <dash> rom: do you know how to use cp?
[08:43] <viper12> short and sweet t'night........woot.......movie finished dl/in........time for some adventure with nic cage and company.! laterz. :D
[08:43] <exknoppix> and that's the other thing ... computer games ... and WineX/etc just isn't there yet
[08:43] <rom> sorta
[08:43] <robzulah> I doenloaded the Kmud binary, but when I go to run it with ./kmud it says "./kmud: line 21: /home/zeppelin/kmud-1.0-linux-i386/bin/kmud: cannot execute binary file" any idea why?
[08:43] <dash> rom: scp is similar.
[08:43] <Amaranth> it calls it ssh but it's really sftp (i hope it has an scp fallback)
[08:44] <bryan> haha
[08:44] <ratl3> ya, i think that's the path
[08:44] <bryan> exknoppix:  did you download the dvdr or xvid?
[08:44] <ratl3> we need to get winex there so that the kids next door run linux
[08:44] <viper12> one solution for games:  dual boot wintendo with games only.  heh heh.  asta.
[08:44] <Amaranth> kind of hard
[08:44] <bryan> i hear they have 'do not duplicate' and 'property of walt disney' on the tp and bottom
[08:44] <DarthFrog> robzulah: What're the permissions on kmud?  Is it marked executable.
[08:44] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[08:45] <DarthFrog> hi da_bon_bon, what's it like in India now? :-)
[08:45] <bryan> fuck winex, developers need to start making native linux games
[08:45] <ratl3> ya, i agreee
[08:45] <ratl3> but we need to work on both
[08:45] <da_bon_bon> whats the best downlaod manager ? prozilla ? d4x ?
[08:45] <bryan> and graphics card makers need to start getting good drivers out
[08:46] <DarthFrog> bryan: Except for a few (i.e. ID) it isn't happening.
[08:46] <dash> da_bon_bon: bittorrent, obviously
[08:46] <exknoppix> I wish people would _pay_ for Free Software development of games ... but that dream won't come true for years
[08:46] <bryan> i would pay for hl2 on PC, just like i payed for it on windows
[08:46] <bryan> eerr
[08:46] <robzulah> which permission DarthFrog? (I'm a Linux newbie, bare with me please. =)
[08:46] <bryan> s/pc/linux
[08:46] <DarthFrog> exknoppix: Besides who needs another game after they've played Frozen Bubble. :-)
[08:46] <exknoppix> if Free Software could get just 10% of the money spent on games, then with code-sharing, Linux would be _the_ platform within 5 years
[08:47] <dash> DarthFrog: infidel! clearly the correct game is nethack
[08:47] <DarthFrog> dash: LOL!
[08:47] <dash> exknoppix: yeah well
[08:47] <dash> exknoppix: until we get quality video drivers, it's not going to happen
[08:47] <ratl3> ya, we need to create more places for money in free software
[08:47] <exknoppix> personally, my favorite downloader is wget ... but I like to do the micromanagement myself
[08:47] <DarthFrog> robzulah: Open a terminal and issue the command "ls -l kmud*" in the directory that the kmud binary is installed in.
[08:48] <dash> exknoppix: and i am willing to bet that we will not get quality video drivers until software 3D rendering comes back
[08:48] <robzulah> it says "-rwxr-xr-x    1 zeppelin zeppelin      399 2001-06-29 07:54 kmud"
[08:49] <DarthFrog> robzulah: What do the first 10 characters say?  It should be something like rwxr_xr_x
[08:49] <ratl3> dash, software 3d rendering?
[08:49] <exknoppix> actually, with stuff like Frozen Bubble, Linux will gradually become a very fun platform for most non-game-heads ... isn't cutting edge but is very much fun
[08:49] <dash> ratl3: yeah
[08:49] <ratl3> dash, like maya and shit?
[08:49] <dash> ratl3: no, like mesa and shit
[08:49] <ratl3> oh
[08:49] <dash> except non-sucky :)
[08:49] <exknoppix> personally, my favorite "game" is Wikipedia ... is the most kick-ass online multi-player universe ever invented
[08:49] <ratl3> haha exknoppix
[08:49] <rom> how do i copy a folder thru ssh?
[08:50] <exknoppix> ... and the video drivers are a big problem in the Wikipedia game
[08:50] <ratl3> try mounting a remote drive in nautilus rom
[08:50] <ratl3> easiest way
[08:50] <da_bon_bon> exknoppix: which wikipedia game ?
[08:50] <shock> ermmm... one question: in evolution 2.2 (hoary) - why does personal in calendar and tasks noz have a cistomizable color anymore?
[08:51] <dash> exknoppix: Hmm. I like your idea.
[08:51] <ratl3> wikipedia itself da_bon_bon
[08:51] <DarthFrog> da_bon_bon: He's not serious.
[08:51] <dash> exknoppix: If any of the game ideas i've got on the back burner ever become practical, I think they will require wikipedia integration. :)
[08:51] <exknoppix> da_bon_bon: I'm kind of joking here
[08:51] <ratl3> hah!
[08:52] <ratl3> we should develop games
[08:52] <ratl3> and stop bitching about it
[08:52] <exknoppix> dash: I can believe it ... yes, combine real world data with a total VR game
[08:52] <dash> exknoppix: "total VR" is a myth
[08:52] <ratl3> what ideas do you have dash ?
[08:53] <bryan> i can't even get out of 60hz
[08:53] <bryan> can't even run a screensaver
[08:53] <exknoppix> we should make a computer game which makes computer games ... then feed the output back into the input
[08:53] <dash> ratl3: mostly adventure-game type stuff
[08:53] <bryan> the 3d screensavers run at like 10fps
[08:53] <ratl3> how much game dev experience do you have?
[08:53] <dash> not a whole lot.
[08:54] <dash> ratl3: anyway, i'm mostly waiting for the technology to advance enough
[08:54] <exknoppix> dash: well, let me tell you about a little thing called ... The Matrix!
[08:54] <ratl3> hah!
[08:54] <DarthFrog> exknoppix: Then you'll have a computer that plays with itself.  The Moral Majority will then have computers outlawed. :-0
[08:54] <exknoppix> dash: the wool has been pulled over your eyes
[08:54] <ratl3> DarthFrog, haha
[08:54] <dash> ratl3: fortunately, the stuff i do at my day job is moving in that direction
[08:54] <dash> exknoppix: prepare for face mashing
[08:55] <ratl3> dash, games?
[08:55] <exknoppix> DarthFrog: if voting really mattered, they'd make it illegal
[08:55] <dash> ratl3: infrastructure that will be useful for games
[08:55] <exknoppix> dash: "face mashing"??? sorry, I'm a bit behind the times
[08:55] <ratl3> exknoppix, voting does matter... to them
[08:56] <ratl3> exknoppix, a way to waste all of our time
[08:56] <DarthFrog> Just seen on Slashdot:
[08:56] <DarthFrog> Our primary concern in the short term is with being able to ship a SeaMonkey front end on
[08:56] <DarthFrog> top of a Gecko
[08:56] <DarthFrog> That doesn't sound like a developer's list, that sounds like a post on alt.sex.zoophilia.
[08:56] <ratl3> exknoppix, thinking we are changing anything
[08:56] <exknoppix> dash: are you planning on "mashing" my face?
[08:56] <Voidzero1> Hi, could anyone please help me with my installation of Ubuntu?
[08:56] <dash> exknoppix: yes, if you keep talking about dumb movies :p
[08:56] <dash> Voidzero1: hi! what's up
[08:56] <exknoppix> sure, is all about the illusion of legitimacy
[08:57] <dash> exknoppix: anyway i think that phrase came from a strongbad email :)
[08:57] <Voidzero1> Hi Dash!  How're doing?  Having trouble with my X server GUI
[08:57] <dash> ratl3: anyway here's an idea
[08:57] <exknoppix> dash: hey, I haven't even started on The Fight Club yet
[08:57] <ratl3> exknoppix, i still vote though.. heh
[08:58] <dash> ratl3: one of the problem with MMORPGs is making sure that the production of game content by the developers stays ahead of the consumption of it by players
[08:58] <ratl3> dash, ya
[08:58] <dash> ratl3: this, among other problems, has made it very hard for a community-run MMORPG to arise
[08:58] <exknoppix> I consider voting a mental exercise ... is a way to focus your attention on issues
[08:59] <exknoppix> fortunately, I live in Canada where we have more than Pepsi/Coke to choose from
[08:59] <ratl3> exknoppix, what kind of system would you prefer?
[08:59] <dash> ratl3: one of the reasons this is difficult is because there's no good way to run untrusted code in a real programming language securely and efficiently on a server
[08:59] <Voidzero1> I get the shell instead of the GUI.  I'm a newbie at Linux.  Helping out with tuxLabs installations in ZA.  Want to enter Linux enviroment full time.
[08:59] <DarthFrog> exknoppix: Yeah, we have Moosehead and Blue, too. :-)
[09:00] <dash> Voidzero1: ok, what gfx card?
[09:00] <ratl3> dash, hmm, ya
[09:00] <exknoppix> dash: need to make fractal, reusable MMORPG content ... create the illusion of vast spaces
[09:00] <ratl3> exknoppix, that gets boring in like a minute
[09:01] <Voidzero1> Old ISA card
[09:01] <exknoppix> rat13: "system would you prefer" ... you mean electoral system?
[09:01] <ratl3> exknoppix, yah
[09:01] <dash> ratl3: so right now, if you want people to contribute to your gameworld, you either give them a crippled tool, or you trust them to touch all code in your system
[09:01] <dash> ratl3: if we can change that, some interesting possibilities arise, i think
[09:01] <dash> Voidzero1: zoinks
[09:01] <exknoppix> about the "fractal" comment ... I'm just goofing
[09:01] <ratl3> dash, i thought you had an idea to change that
[09:01] <ratl3> hah
[09:02] <dash> ratl3: yeah, i do
[09:02] <ratl3> dash, how?
[09:02] <dash> ratl3: hopefully i will be giving a demo at pycon
[09:02] <ratl3> dash, cool
[09:02] <zbowling> who said gecko?
[09:02] <zbowling> hehe
[09:02] <dash> ratl3: i am hitting some snags in the code though, it's going to be tight :)
[09:02] <exknoppix> rat13: I'd say that "direct action" is more important than once-every-4-years of voting ... realize that your day-to-day life is more politically important than once-a-year vote ... as for elections, I'd like at least half the seats go to proportional representation
[09:03] <dash> isn't "direct action" a euphemism for "political assassination"?
[09:03] <ratl3> exknoppix, so you'd go more for a reform of the current system?
[09:03] <pepsi> exknoppix, hi
[09:03] <pepsi> ;)
[09:03] <zbowling> DarthFrog: you say something about gecko?
[09:03] <pepsi> you lit me up
[09:03] <DarthFrog> zbowling: Not really.
[09:03] <ratl3> pepsi, hah
[09:03] <quarupt> So i guess media stuff for AMD64 is just non existant, no realplayer nor mplayer
[09:04] <zbowling> zbowling: aah gecko pings me because of my gtkembedmoz port to win32 :-)
[09:04] <exknoppix> dash: what's pycon
[09:04] <dash> exknoppix: http://pycon.org/
[09:04] <dash> exknoppix: community python conference
[09:04] <dash> in 2 weeks in DC
[09:04] <zbowling> DarthFrog: aah gecko pings me because of my gtkembedmoz port to win32 and the gecko# wrapper for mono :-)
[09:04] <exknoppix> dash: "direct action" == "political assassination"? hmm, I'd never heard of that ... I thought that direct action was just about activism as a meaningful part of your life
[09:05] <ratl3> is python good enought to run a large mmorpg?
[09:05] <dash> ratl3: heh, what else would you use?
[09:05] <fusion88> hi
[09:05] <zbowling> use mono instead of python..
[09:05] <ratl3> well, i meant fast engouh
[09:05] <DarthFrog> zbowling: I had just read a funny comment on Slashdot and cross-posted it here.
[09:05] <exknoppix> dash: I'm 100% non-violent ... mostly because I find fighting boring and scary
[09:05] <dash> exknoppix: exactly how i feel about politics :)
[09:05] <dash> exknoppix: not surprising, given that politics is just organized violence...
[09:06] <fusion88> aussies
[09:06] <exknoppix> dash: sigh, you lucky geek, you
[09:06] <fusion88> geezz
[09:06] <jdub> guys
[09:06] <jdub> this is way off-topic
[09:06] <pastyhermit> man
[09:06] <jdub> elsewhere please :)
[09:06] <pastyhermit> Disk utility sucks
[09:06] <pastyhermit> it cant burn hoary-ppc
[09:06] <pastyhermit> whats the deal?
[09:06] <dash> jdub: good point :)
[09:06] <fusion88> ok i need help please
[09:06] <ratl3> hah
[09:06] <dash> also, it is way past my bedtime
[09:06] <pastyhermit> it couldnt do warty either
[09:06] <jdub> pastyhermit: in OS X? yes, there are known bugs with it unfortunately :|
[09:06] <fusion88> whats the best way to install a belkin usb wireless card on ubuntu its a F5D6050
[09:06] <pastyhermit> jdub: any suggestions
[09:06] <jdub> pastyhermit: there is a command line tool you can use, i'm pretty sure this is mentioned on the wiki
[09:07] <pastyhermit> jdub:
[09:07] <pastyhermit> k
[09:07] <fusion88> hi
[09:07] <Voidzero1> Dash, is the ISA GFx card too old?  Should I use a more updated PC?
[09:07] <exknoppix> dash: I don't agree that politics is "organized violence" ... for many people that is true ... however, in my country of Canada, medicare is very political and there is nothing violent about that
[09:07] <fusion88> wtf this is a linux channel not pilitics bullshit
[09:07] <bryan> yay  for canada :D
[09:09] <exknoppix> sorry folks, don't want to bore ... I just had to give Dash some hopes about politics
[09:09] <pastyhermit> cant find in wiki
[09:10] <bryan> i heard there lots of problems burning ubuntu for mac
[09:10] <da_bon_bon> bryan: like ?
[09:12] <bryan> http://www.macgeekery.com/node/75
[09:12] <DarthFrog> Holy sheepshit, Batman.  I just thought I'd install xemacs for a looksee.  It wants 103 MB of disk space!! For an editor!!   Now that's bloat.
[09:13] <schasi> gdmorning
[09:13] <ratl3> ya, isn't that more than openoffice?
[09:13] <ratl3> DarthFrog,
[09:13] <schasi> emacs is not an editor, its an os
[09:13] <ratl3> hah
[09:14] <DarthFrog> ratl3: and emacs itself isn't available.
[09:14] <schasi> That was more or less a joke
[09:14] <ratl3> ya, vi is much better
[09:14] <DarthFrog> Well, vim actually.
[09:14] <exknoppix> emacs isn't an os, it's a lifestyle
[09:15] <exknoppix> emacs is the One Editor
[09:15] <thoreauputic> DarthFrog: strange - emacs was installed by default in my warty install
[09:15] <schasi> exknoppix: Right, right after vim
[09:15] <goldfish> i had emacs too
[09:15] <schasi> yahoo editor wars
[09:15] <goldfish> in warty default
[09:15] <ratl3> hah
[09:16] <schasi> I use nano, it totally rocks
[09:16] <DarthFrog> thoreauputic: I'm running Hoary.  "apt-get install emacs" says it's not available.
[09:16] <thoreauputic> not that I use it anyway ;)
[09:16] <schasi> DarthFrog: Univers and all that enabled?
[09:16] <DarthFrog> Universe & mulitverse.
[09:16] <thoreauputic> DarthFrog: must be - your sources are incomplete ?
[09:17] <jdub> DarthFrog: emacs21
[09:17] <jdub> DarthFrog: use apt-cache search to find things
[09:17] <thoreauputic> DarthFrog: never heard of a linux distro without an available emacs
[09:17] <exknoppix>     One Editor to rule them all, One Editor to find them,
[09:17] <exknoppix>          One Editor to bring them all and in the darkness bind them.
[09:17] <DarthFrog> jdub: Thanks!  Yeah, emacs21 is the ticket.
[09:17] <schasi> 21 for 21st century?
[09:17] <DarthFrog> It only wants 43.6 MB of disk real estate.
[09:18] <thoreauputic> ed! ed is the editor! man ed! ed man!  ;-)
[09:18] <exknoppix> the ed is dead, long live ed!
[09:18] <ratl3> screw ed, cat is all i need!
[09:18] <schasi> cat owns
[09:18] <ratl3> i have files with one character each in them
[09:18] <exknoppix> you lazy bastards ... give me a magnet any day of the week
[09:18] <schasi> editors is for wimps ;-)
[09:18] <ratl3> and do a cat a > file
[09:19] <DarthFrog> jdub: Wow, "apt-cache search" seems just the ticket.  thanks.
[09:19] <schasi> Know where getting ars-userfriendlyy
[09:19] <thoreauputic> http://users.fishinternet.com.au/~peterg/edistheeditor.txt
[09:19] <jdub> DarthFrog: ubuntu has all kinds of tickets ;-) ;-)
[09:19] <exknoppix> I just use my psionic powers to change the magnetic polarity on the harddrive
[09:19] <ratl3> haha!
[09:20] <schasi> thoreauputic: rofl
[09:21] <thoreauputic> *sigh* whatever happened to quill pens and parchment ?
[09:21] <DarthFrog> jdub: So I'm finding out.  :-)  I'm growing to like Ubuntu very much.  Especially now that KDE is available for it.
[09:21] <DarthFrog> thoreauputic: They were obsoleted by buggy whips. <grinning, running and ducking>
[09:21] <thoreauputic> DarthFrog: *grin*
[09:21] <Tomcat_> thoreauputic: lol :D
[09:22] <Tomcat_> Well I'm an Emacs- and vi-Hater as well. :P
[09:23] <exknoppix> folks, I'm using ERC at the moment ... that's IRC on Emacs!
[09:23] <Tomcat_> omfg
[09:23] <Tomcat_> :D
[09:23] <exknoppix> I can save my chat scripts ...
[09:23] <Tomcat_> Go play Emacs-Tetris, please. :D
[09:23] <exknoppix> I can search my chat scripts ...
[09:23] <exknoppix> I can _edit_ my chat scripts ...
[09:23] <Tomcat_> Can you edit what you have said? :D
[09:23] <thor|starving> heh... nice IRC client, shame about the editor ;-)
[09:23] <ratl3> haha
[09:23] <exknoppix> I can make emacs macros to do automated thingies on my chat scripts
[09:24] <DarthFrog> Good night all.
[09:24] <Tomcat_> "The longer a piece of open source software is in development, it always evolves so it can send mail"
[09:24] <exknoppix> I am the omnipotent one!
[09:24] <Tomcat_> I guess that's more than correct for Emacs.
[09:24] <exknoppix> can _your_ editor load naughty pictures ... mine can!
[09:25] <exknoppix> my xmms playlists are triggered inside emacs
[09:25] <exknoppix> I read my mail inside emacs
[09:25] <bryan> mmm, mouse just died, time for sleep
[09:25] <bryan> nini
[09:25] <Tomcat_> Damn... all the Americans are going... :)
[09:25] <ratl3> im an american
[09:25] <ratl3> (sadly)
[09:25] <exknoppix> what nationality is left now?
[09:26] <schasi> Tomcat_: What editor are you using?
[09:26] <exknoppix> are these all auzzies?
[09:26] <Tomcat_> schasi: The mighty pico/nano :D
[09:26] <Tomcat_> I'm German.
[09:26] <Tomcat_> schasi: And something on X (Gedit, Eclipse) when it comes to developing, where the editor needs more stuff than pico/nano have.
[09:26] <bryan[a] > (I'm canadian)
[09:26] <bryan[a] > if i was american i'd probably move to canada
[09:26] <exknoppix> ah, is like 8 AM in Germany?
[09:27] <Tomcat_> 09:30 am :o
[09:27] <bryan[a] > 3:30am here :p
[09:27] <Tomcat_> :>
[09:27] <exknoppix> I'm a Canadian at 3:30 ... and am hosed out of my mind at the moment
[09:27] <goldfish> 8:30 am here
[09:27] <ratl3> yep 330am
[09:27] <bryan[a] > where you at exknoppix ?
[09:28] <bryan[a] > (ontario somewhere i assume)
[09:28] <ratl3> do you have canada border patrol yet?
[09:28] <ratl3> hah
[09:28] <exknoppix> check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesusland
[09:28] <azriel0184> hmmm... i installed a second NIC on my linux machine and now localhost doesnt work...
[09:28] <exknoppix> bryan[a] : Waterloo ... you?
[09:29] <azriel0184> matthew@matthew-linux:~ $ ping localhost
[09:29] <azriel0184> PING localhost.localdomain (127.0.0.1) 56(84) bytes of data.
[09:29] <azriel0184> --- localhost.localdomain ping statistics ---
[09:29] <azriel0184> 4 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 2998ms
[09:29] <bryan[a] > Hamilton
[09:29] <jesuel> azriel0184: thats strange.
[09:29] <azriel0184> s/linux/ubuntu/
[09:29] <ratl3> ya, i've seen that idiotic map
[09:29] <ratl3> exknoppix,
[09:30] <schasi> There is a size limit to split? How awful
[09:30] <exknoppix> bryan[a] : ah, I grew up just outside Hamilton. went to high school in Dundas.
[09:30] <schasi> Can i split a 4.6bg file into 4.4+rest?
[09:30] <azriel0184> my /etc/hosts file is fine as well
[09:30] <schasi> seems not like it
[09:30] <exknoppix> rat13,
[09:31] <ratl3> yes exknoppix ?
[09:32] <GammaRay> can anyone think of good reason to not strip .bash_profile of most everything and put it all in .bashrc?
[09:32] <membreya> new kernel coming down? 2.6.10-6? :)
[09:32] <jesuel> azriel0184: maybe its the default route for the second nic perhaps?
[09:32] <orospakr> ogra, nice work on the hardware info submission tool. :) it hung for me at the "information gathering" stage, though. :(
[09:32] <jesuel> azriel0184: grasping at straws?
[09:32] <azriel0184> well the first one is set to the default, so it shouldnt
[09:33] <azriel0184> but it should honour /etc/hosts no matter which one it is using?
[09:33] <ratl3> ok, i'm outta here
[09:34] <jesuel> azriel0184: /j #flood and do /exec o netstat -r, maybe that will explain it :)
[09:34] <dud_> how can i get php4 to work with apache1
[09:34] <dud_> (in hoary)
[09:34] <ratl3> night
[09:35] <dud_> oh
[09:35] <dud_> think i found it
[09:35] <shock> ok . anyone else here swizched to utf-8 and having problems with other irc people not being able ti read you 
[09:35] <shock> ?
[09:35] <exknoppix> rat13: I can't get my side-chat windows working ... we could go to a temp chatroom, say #ubpolitics
[09:36] <Tomcat_> shock: That's normal.
[09:36] <schasi> Is there a counterpart to split?
[09:36] <dud-> ok, nm
[09:36] <Tomcat_> shock: Other people have to switch to UTF8 to read special characters from you...
[09:37] <MyNameIsChris> Anyone here use the sound on an ich5 southbridge?
[09:37] <dud-> as I understand it libapache-mod-php4 is supposed to be php4 for apache1
[09:37] <Tomcat_> shock: The characters after "read you" look quite odd to me, for example, because I use mIRC without UTF8 patch.
[09:37] <dud-> but that package is gone or something
[09:38] <quarupt> Anyone know if theres a kaffine plugin for firefox?
[09:38] <jesuel> Tomcat_: mIRC has a linux release?
[09:38] <Tomcat_> jesuel: Not really. :D
[09:38] <jesuel> Tomcat_: oh.
[09:38] <Tomcat_> The last release of Ubuntu trashed my partition table twice, so I had no way to switch away from Windows.
[09:39] <jesuel> ouch.
[09:39] <Tomcat_> I'll try again with hoary.
[09:39] <shock> Tomcat_ - im using irssi....
[09:39] <jesuel> hoary has been beautiful for me. Warty runs on my server just fine. But wouldnt on my laptop.
[09:40] <shock> it works fine for me reading utf8 signs sent by others
[09:40] <goldfish> i am using irssi
[09:40] <shock> and I can read my own utf8 signs
[09:40] <Tomcat_> I only use Warty on my laptop.. r uns perfectly.
[09:40] <goldfish> and its still weird
[09:40] <shock> hm
[09:40] <shock> do you have utf-8 generated?
[09:40] <Tomcat_> shock: Yes but people who use ISO8859 can't read your UTF8 stuff.
[09:40] <membreya> anyone know why I keep getting the following in dmesg smb_add_request: request [00000100063280c0, mid=12824]  timed out!
[09:41] <membreya> it's only after I have my pc on for a day or two
[09:41] <Tomcat_> membreya: Do you have a Windows machine on the network?
[09:41] <membreya> Tomcat_: yup, and I've got a directory on the PC mounted via samba
[09:41] <shock> Tomcat_ - correct
[09:41] <membreya> but I can still ping the PC
[09:41] <Tomcat_> membreya: Probably has something to do with that PC... no idea what though.
[09:43] <rem> .
[09:43] <waseem> hey if you clear your cache, history, and cookies from your browser, is there any possible way you can locate a link that you have been to?
[09:43] <waseem> like are there any hidden folders that contain any of that information?
[09:45] <MyNameIsChris> Well, my sound is really poor (more so in Dvd playback) and it has sounded fine in other distros. Abit AS8 with ICH5R SB and Logitech z640 5.1ch speakers
[09:46] <MyNameIsChris> Anywhere where I can check for proper modules?
[09:46] <quarupt> anyone know what this is all about?
[09:46] <quarupt> mplayer-amd64:
[09:46] <quarupt>  Depends: libavcodec2  but it is not installable
[09:46] <azriel0184> well enabling ath0 totaly screwed over my routing table
[09:46] <azriel0184> had to disable/enable eth0 to get it back...
[09:47] <azriel0184> and still localhost does not work...
[09:48] <quarupt> so mplayer-amd64 depends on libavcodec2  which doesnt exist?
[09:49] <kzm> anybody get mplayer to install on warty on regular x86?
[09:50] <kzm> (tried the marillat archives, but the only version that woudl install gives me a illegal instruction)
[09:53] <quarupt> ANYONE plz, is there a way to get helix/real working on AMD64?
[09:54] <quarupt> I have googled and wiki'd but no luck?
[09:55] <membreya> no quarupt
[09:55] <thor|starving> quarupt: maybe you could run the standard version in a chroot (someone mentioned this - forget who)
[09:55] <thor|starving> quarupt: don't ask me how thta's done, though
[09:56] <quarupt> I have no clue how to go abot this chroot, thing maybe there is a howto i can read or something?
[09:57] <thor|starving> quarupt: maybe google chroot + linux + amd64 + howto? Dunno
[09:58] <jsgotangco> heh
[09:58] <ace2001ac> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebootstrapChroot
[09:58] <ace2001ac> that may help
[09:58] <quarupt> thx bud
[10:02] <saciits> hello
[10:02] <saciits> i am interested to bring ubuntu into latvian, is anyone interested?
[10:03] <quarupt> might wanna talk about that in #ubuntu-dev
[10:03] <quarupt> err
[10:03] <quarupt> wait thast not it
[10:03] <quarupt> maybe #Ubuntu-devel
[10:03] <quarupt> yea that one
[10:04] <saciits> #ubuntu-dev
[10:04] <azriel0184> does anyone have any ideas about my networking prob?
[10:05] <jsgotangco> join the Translation team as well
[10:05] <quarupt> is there any wone for AMD62?
[10:06] <zenrox> quarupt, amb62??? hahahahah
[10:06] <quarupt> AMD64 even
[10:06] <jsgotangco> heh
[10:06] <membreya> i run an amd64 ;)
[10:07] <quarupt> chroot?
[10:07] <membreya> bless you
[10:07] <quarupt> lol
[10:08] <jsgotangco> gnome 2.10 is really nice
[10:09] <jsgotangco> even the wireless monitor is working on my side now
[10:09] <quarupt> Yea gnome broke after i installed AMD64
[10:09] <quarupt> im foreded to use Kubuntu
[10:09] <quarupt> but its not that bad
[10:09] <jsgotangco> gyaahhh
[10:10] <spacey> you installed amd64?
[10:10] <quarupt> im thinking VM x86 would be easier than doing chroot
[10:10] <quarupt> Yea array 6AMD64 Ubuntu Hoary
[10:10] <spacey> ah
[10:10] <kinsky> hi everyone!
[10:10] <spacey> works fine for me
[10:11] <quarupt> well, it also happened after i got fglrx running, just would show any open windows down in the bar
[10:11] <kinsky> folks, installing ubuntu was a success, but it made my windows turn blue! ;(
[10:11] <kinsky> i guess i messed up the partition tables, any idea how to solve the problem??
[10:11] <jsgotangco> your windows is borked?
[10:12] <kinsky> borked..  unstartable!
[10:12] <quarupt> prolly just need to fix grub
[10:12] <kinsky> ok, is there a tool for it?
[10:13] <membreya> lol
[10:13] <hayden> how can i copy files to an ssh server?
[10:13] <quarupt> yea its called vi
[10:13] <membreya> use nano :P
[10:13] <thor|starving> hayden: scp
[10:13] <kinsky> hm, for quite a linux-newby these are hard topics
[10:13] <quarupt> use gedit
[10:13] <medz> i accidently remove libpng in sypnatic then all my Gnome apps are gone how can i reinstall it back using my cd.
[10:13] <jdub> medz: install the ubuntu-desktop package
[10:13] <membreya> hayden: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#sshserver
[10:14] <kinsky> well is there any detailed information or howto for fixing the grub?
[10:14] <medz> jdub: how do i do that in console?
[10:14] <jdub> medz: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[10:14] <Myrtti> sudo apt-get update | apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[10:14] <medz> okey will try it now.
[10:15] <kinsky> with my first installation of ubuntu on an other machine, everything went allright, so i didn't care enough at the second time
[10:15] <kinsky> could anyone of you introduce me to that grub-thing?
[10:16] <membreya> kinsky: sudo nano -w /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:16] <membreya> from a terminal
[10:18] <kinsky> ok, so how can i get closer, i mean to fix windows-startup?
[10:22] <jsgotangco> bye bye
[10:24] <kinsky> hm, i had a closer look at that file, also read through the grup-faq on the ubuntu-site. still don't know how to find out why windows won't start (it just shows a bluescreen and reboots after a few seconds). thanks for any ideas
[10:24] <membreya> sure it's not a memory dump kinsky ?
[10:24] <kinsky> membreya, how can i get to know that?
[10:24] <MyNameIsChris> kinsky: What is the situation? I had a potentially similiar problem once
[10:25] <membreya> it will say that it's performing a memory dump....windows thang
[10:25] <kinsky> well after installing ubuntu windows won't start, just shows a bluescreen for few secs, then reboots
[10:25] <thoreauputic> kinsky: did you resize the win partition before installing? If so, with what? Is it XP / ntfs?
[10:25] <kinsky> and in that case, membreya, what to do?
[10:26] <kinsky> well no, i guess i messed it up..
[10:26] <kinsky> diddnt care much about that since an other installation without resizing was allright
[10:26] <membreya> BSODs are only caused by disk (partition) failures or hardware
[10:26] <kinsky> im sure its about my partitioning
[10:26] <kzm> *sigh* USB is nothing but trouble, it seems.
[10:26] <membreya> if you didn't resize...WHAT did you install to ?
[10:26] <MyNameIsChris> kinsky, what sp do you have?
[10:26] <kzm> Anybody get an external disk to work properly?
[10:27] <thoreauputic> kinsky: if you didn't resize, where did you fit ubuntu?
[10:27] <kinsky> i chose the main hdd
[10:27] <membreya> lol
[10:27] <membreya> ummm kinsky
[10:27] <membreya> I would say bye bye to windows :)
[10:27] <kinsky> i took 2 gigs
[10:27] <kinsky> ;(
[10:27] <kinsky> well it worked formerly
[10:28] <jms> try a repair install of xp maybe?
[10:28] <MyNameIsChris> kinsky, what service pack and hdd capacity do you have?
[10:28] <thoreauputic> kinsky: you have more than one hard drive?
[10:28] <kinsky> s40 gigs, sp2
[10:28] <kinsky> no
[10:28] <MyNameIsChris> Never mind, not the problem I had
[10:28] <kinsky> i mean 1 hdd
[10:28] <membreya> agree with me thoreauputic ?:P
[10:28] <thoreauputic> membreya: looking that way
[10:29] <kinsky> so is it really that optimistic?
[10:29] <thoreauputic> kinsky: did you let ubuntu use the drive without specifying a partition?
[10:29] <kinsky> the thing is that i'm not so sure about that
[10:29] <kinsky> ;)
[10:30] <greg_> hello ! Is that work irc ? (it's the first time I try it on my ubuntu)
[10:30] <MyNameIsChris> membreya: I decided to that after I realised I hadn't booted Windows for months.
[10:30] <thoreauputic> kinsky: well, you would know if you did
[10:30] <membreya> hmmm does anyone know if it's possible to use the side buttons on a mouse in ubuntu (ie mouse4 and mouse5) ??
[10:30] <toerli> greg: yeah
[10:30] <kinsky> im not so sure about that
[10:30] <greg_> good
[10:30] <thoreauputic> kinsky: I think you probably wiped windows out
[10:30] <membreya> MyNameIsChris: I go into windows once a week if that to transcode xvid to mpeg2 :) other than that ubuntu serves my needs
[10:30] <greg_> everebody here is Ubuntu user ?
[10:30] <toerli> membreya: yes you have to edit x config
[10:31] <Fator_Dee> membreya: you can do that with ubuntu :-p
[10:31] <membreya> toerli: and add what?
[10:31] <thoreauputic> greg_: no, i run an IBM s390 in my bathroom
[10:31] <kinsky> with the installation routine of ubuntu, it sure is possible to resize the hdd?
[10:31] <MyNameIsChris> membreya, I would imagine that there would be an open source implementation for that
[10:31] <greg_> thoreauputic, lol
[10:31] <membreya> Fator_Dee: I know you can, but I can't be bothered to sit down and read the docs for avidemux2
[10:32] <toerli> membreya: search for 5 button mouse and XFree Config on google...
[10:32] <Fator_Dee> membreya: hold on, I'll give you an url
[10:32] <membreya> plus people are always complaining that transcoding in ubuntu is lossy
[10:32] <greg_> of course... I do this every night between 3 and 5 too :p
[10:32] <prego> he, latest upgade of hoary's gnome packages is quite nice; however my Nautilus scripts are missing (execpt for two of them made in python). Am I the only one with this behaviour?
[10:32] <membreya> thanks toerli :)
[10:32] <membreya> I love my side buttons for browsing
[10:32] <Fator_Dee> membreya: http://fredrik.hubbe.net/hacks/mkdvd.html this works flawlessly for me
[10:32] <jms> i've been stuck at "starting hotplug subsystem..." for about 11 minutes now... how might i fix this little probelm? ^^:
[10:33] <toerli> membreya: http://www.groundhog1.com/mouse/MSExplorer.html
[10:33] <prego> jms, this happens to me sometimes when I have the usb mouse connected
[10:33] <membreya> hmmm thanks for that Fator_Dee :) been trying to use avidemux2 :)
[10:33] <MyNameIsChris> Give me a scroll wheel and I can browse
[10:33] <membreya> ooo URL's galore for me :D
[10:33] <greg_> is there a french server for ubuntu on irc ?
[10:33] <Fator_Dee> membreya: np
[10:33] <membreya> MyNameIsChris: I use the side buttons for back and forward with the pages
[10:33] <prego> MyNameIsChris, even without a browser ? ;-P
[10:34] <membreya> lol
[10:34] <MyNameIsChris> prego: A browser is good to have
[10:34] <thoreauputic> greg_: /j #ubuntu-fr
[10:34] <MyNameIsChris> Makes it much quicker
[10:34] <membreya> MyNameIsChris: lynx? :P
[10:34] <greg_> thanks thoreauputic
[10:34] <jms> i dont have anyhting plugged into any usb slot on this computer
[10:34] <hayden> what is the username and password for shared folders (system->admin->shared folders)
[10:34] <prego> membreya, elinks :-) you can browse your gmail account now ;-))
[10:34] <MyNameIsChris> membreya: I am not sure what that is unless you really screwed up the spelling of Linux
[10:34] <kinsky> and another thing - how to look for available wlan-networks with ubuntu 4.1 standard-installation?
[10:35] <membreya> MyNameIsChris: lynx = console web browser
[10:35] <membreya> do an apt-get on it :P
[10:35] <desplesda> MyNameIsChris, lynx is a text based web dammit membreya beat me to it
[10:35] <prego> membreya elinks = better lynx, IMHO
[10:35] <desplesda> :P
[10:35] <MyNameIsChris> I'll stick to Firefox for now
[10:35] <thoreauputic> or use w3m
[10:35] <membreya> firefox? naw.. I use galeon :)
[10:36] <MyNameIsChris> Console based web browsers. What are we? Animals?
[10:36] <jms> still hanging at starting hotplug ;\
[10:36] <desplesda> i use one all the time at work MyNameIsChris
[10:36] <kzm> jms, that's probably a wise strategy.
[10:36] <thoreauputic> membreya: does the recent galeon do session-save like the older ones did?
[10:36] <membreya> hey, you were the one that said all you needed to browse the net with was a mouse
[10:36] <missmarple> hi
[10:36] <membreya> thoreauputic: yes indeed :)
[10:36] <desplesda> its an excellent way of tracking down files i need to download
[10:36] <MyNameIsChris> scroll wheel
[10:36] <membreya> only thing that irks me is it doesnt save form information like google searches
[10:37] <membreya> but it does remember passwords so it's cool :)
[10:37] <thoreauputic> membreya: ah - thanks - I like that feature, although thefirefox extension does it well too
[10:38] <thoreauputic> MyNameIsChris: text-based browsers can save your life if X takes a holiday ;-)
[10:38] <membreya> exactly thoreauputic :P
[10:38] <membreya> I love galeons portal at startup :) so pretty....
[10:39] <MyNameIsChris> thoreauputic, I prefer the irssi and frantic questions approach
[10:39] <thoreauputic> MyNameIsChris: haha.... I see ;-)
[10:39] <membreya> oh, thoreauputic how I was saying that facetious has all vowels running consecutively? the only other word that does that is absemious
[10:40] <thoreauputic> um - abstemious ?
[10:40] <yonatan> anyway, hanging out in text mode is cool...
[10:40] <thoreauputic> :P
[10:40] <MyNameIsChris> membreya: Thanks alot. Now I am going to spend all day thinking of another one
[10:40] <membreya> typo...trying to smoke at the same time :|
[10:41] <membreya> MyNameIsChris: there IS no other one
[10:41] <thoreauputic> membreya: at least you have an excuse - I'm lucky to get through a sentence without a typo :)
[10:41] <membreya> only facetious and abstemious
[10:41] <MyNameIsChris> That won't stop me looking
[10:41] <membreya> :P
[10:42] <jms> is there any way yo fix the system hangin g at "starting hotplug sybsystem" on startup?
[10:42] <toerli> how do i disable this ugly "roll to and from the desk"-animation when i switch between windows... i use hoary
[10:43] <toerli> jms: does it hang @ hotplug or at the service under hotplug? is hotpluged marked as [ok] ?
[10:43] <jms> no its not marked as ok
[10:44] <membreya> unplug your usb devices? :P
[10:44] <jms> just says starting hotplug subsystem... nadcursor is blinking underneath
[10:44] <toerli> warty?
[10:44] <jms> i dont have anything at all plugged into usb
[10:44] <membreya> disable hotplug then :P
[10:44] <jms> thats what im asking how to do
[10:44] <yonatan> anyone know how to get gnome to only move the window frame when moving windows (but not the contents)?
[10:45] <toerli> jms: pusg strg-c :-)
[10:45] <MyNameIsChris> Would hitting ctrl+c work?
[10:45] <toerli> yeah
[10:45] <jms> ...
[10:45] <toerli> it stops enabling hotplug then.... then do warty update... i think its fixed in the security repository...
[10:45] <kzm> Mmmm....I was having some problems with my USB hd.  After a while, I got a 'USB reset full-speed device 1-1' in dmesg, and then it worked.  Any idea what has happened?
[10:45] <MyNameIsChris> jms: ctrl+c when it is starting hotplug
[10:46] <jms> doesnt do anything
[10:46] <jms> i just installed not long ago, downloaded latest updates during install
[10:46] <membreya> jms: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#permanentlydisableenableboot-upservice
[10:47] <membreya> you
[10:47] <membreya> are so mean thoreauputic :P
[10:47] <membreya> killing yourself like that
[10:47] <thoreauputic> membreya: Ghost Who Talks
[10:48] <jms> yea.. where am i supposed to type these commands if i cant even boot up
[10:48] <thoreauputic> membreya: be more abstemious in your facetiousness ;)
[10:49] <prego> How do I clean the downloaded packages by apt/synaptic? (I have 2Gb at /var/cache/apt)
[10:49] <MyNameIsChris> jms: Have you tried booting rescue mode?
[10:49] <membreya> lol!
[10:49] <thoreauputic> prego: apt-get clean
[10:49] <jms> just did
[10:49] <prego> thoreauputic, thanks
[10:49] <MyNameIsChris> jms: I don't know then, hotplug has always worked flawlessly for me
[10:50] <jms> still hangs
[10:50] <jms> is there anyway i could edit the blacklist from say knoppix or live ubuntu cd?
[10:50] <jms> i tried with knoppix but couldnt edit the file
[10:52] <medz> i accidently remove libpng in sypnatic then all my Gnome apps are gone how can i reinstall it back using my cd.
[10:52] <medz> apt-get install ubuntu does not work.
[10:52] <medz> apt-get install ubuntu-desktop   <- does not work.
[10:52] <schasi> apt-get install gnome?
[10:53] <medz> nope.
[10:53] <medz> anyone knows how to recover X in cd.
[10:53] <hypatia> what does "does not work" mean in this case?
[10:54] <thoreauputic> medz: if you're sure it was libpng, reinstall that?
[10:54] <medz> just accidently remove the package libpng.
[10:54] <medz> when libpng was remove all the gnome-* was remove also and some X apps in sypnatic.
[10:55] <medz> now all i got is the console.
[10:55] <schasi> Why doesnt apt-get install gnome libpng work?
[10:55] <medz> when startx is gone.
[10:55] <schasi> of course do an apt-cache search libpng first
[10:55] <medz> startx is gone. on X
[10:55] <schasi> and insert the right libpng
[10:55] <schasi> and search for xorg and install that as well
[10:56] <mxr> hi everyone
[10:56] <mxr> got a problem
[10:56] <thoreauputic> hypatia: "desn't work" + linux gives 908 000 hits on google ;)
[10:56] <medz> is ther e a way to resintall all X apps.
[10:56] <thoreauputic> *doesn't
[10:56] <mxr> setup ubuntu yesterday... but do not remember setting up the root pass...
[10:56] <mxr> any ideas?
[10:56] <MyNameIsChris> Your user pass
[10:56] <prego> thoreauputic, I will miss those packages  ;-P it is so long being there ...
[10:56] <lizard> hi... ibm 300gl is supported by ubuntu ?
[10:56] <hypatia> mxr: run things as "sudo PROGRAM" when logged in as you.
[10:57] <hypatia> mxr: when it asks you for a password, just put in your user password.
[10:57] <schasi> hypatia: I think thats the one he forgot ;-)
[10:57] <mxr> hmm, but I can't do su with my user pass
[10:57] <thoreauputic> prego: yeah, seems cruel to wipe them out like that ;-)
[10:57] <schasi> Ok now _I_ didnt read... sry
[10:57] <hypatia> mxr: type "sudo -s" and use your user pass.
[10:57] <schasi> medz: There would if you knew which one you had installed
[10:58] <mxr> ok, i am in root now
[10:58] <mxr> so thats the way ubuntu does it instead of su?
[10:58] <lizard> hi... ibm 300gl is supported by ubuntu ?
[10:58] <bob__> Hi folks, i need some help getting divx movies running? What packages do I need to get?
[10:58] <thoreauputic> mxr: you got it :)
[10:59] <mxr> ok, nice... next question - i see alsa runing in my ps list... does this mean ubuntu uses alsa as default?
[10:59] <mxr> I need to install drivers for my nforce2 chipset to get sound
[10:59] <thoreauputic> mxr: alsa is used with 2.6.* kernels
[11:00] <mxr> aah, ok
[11:00] <thoreauputic> but there is an oss compatibility layer
[11:00] <schasi> bob__: There should be something on the ubuntulinux.org homepage
[11:00] <schasi> Did you search there and did you try the wiki?
[11:01] <bob__> schasi:Cool, thanks dude
[11:01] <mxr> for example, to install xmms I have to uncomment some lines in sources.list and then do apt-get update? are the lines there? i remember for debian i had to add them on my own
[11:02] <schasi> bob__: Did you find something?
[11:02] <thoreauputic> mxr: lines for universe repo are there
[11:02] <schasi> mxr: They are there
[11:03] <Ad-Rock> my god, this distro rules! gnome 2.10 yeah!
[11:03] <schasi> Just uncommment them. You could have looked for yourself before asking though
[11:03] <thoreauputic> mxr: if you want "multiverse" ( similar to debian non-free) you add "multiverse" after "universe"
[11:03] <bob__> schasi:Not yet, browsing through now
[11:03] <membreya> anyone else getting slow speeds from security.ubuntu.com?
[11:03] <schasi> Is gnome 2.10 on the hoary install cd or do i have to grab the preview for it?
[11:04] <thoreauputic> membreya: no, my 56k connection is like lightning....
[11:04] <membreya> ewwww
[11:04] <thoreauputic> :P
[11:04] <membreya> im only getting like 40kB/s :(
[11:04] <Ad-Rock> schasi, i just upgraded to hoary
[11:04] <thoreauputic> membreya: my heart bleeds for you, poor chap
[11:04] <schasi> Ad-Rock: I have no internet connection here, thats the reason for the question
[11:05] <membreya> from the local mirror I get 500 - 700 kB/s :)
[11:05] <Ad-Rock> schasi: well, i dunno if its on the preview cd, but it should be
[11:06] <schasi> My question was more in the direction of "is it on the normal install cd?"
[11:06] <thoreauputic> membreya: wish I knew how to blow a raspberry on IRC....
[11:06] <Ad-Rock> schasi: nope, its not, on the install cd is 2.8
[11:06] <schasi> Nah on the install cd is 2.9.2something afaik
[11:07] <schasi> hoary
[11:07] <Ad-Rock> oh, well in warty is 2.8
[11:07] <schasi> Yup
[11:08] <Ad-Rock> hey, anyone can tell me, how to mount an ntfs partition in fstab?
[11:08] <Ad-Rock> just the umask line.. to gain access to it as a normal user
[11:08] <Agrajag> /dev/hda1       /mnt/windows    ntfs    users,ro,umask=0222,nls=utf8,exec      0 0
[11:08] <Agrajag> like that
[11:09] <schasi> utf8???
[11:09] <Ad-Rock> Agrajag, thx
[11:09] <Agrajag> schasi: well, if you don't want lots of (invalid unicode) crap in filenames in nautilus
[11:09] <schasi> And with fat? What codepages to use there?
[11:09] <Fator_Dee> membreya: did you get that mkdvd script working?
[11:09] <Agrajag> at least, that's what fixed it for me
[11:09] <Agrajag> I don't know, I don't use fat
[11:09] <membreya> Fator_Dee: not going to try tonight, gotta go to work soon
[11:10] <schasi> Agrajag: Yep same with me but i thought that would require more codepages and som casnting and so on. Last time i mounted fat i had to do that
[11:10] <Fator_Dee> blah, work :-p
[11:10] <thoreauputic> membreya: youwork the graveyard shift?
[11:10] <membreya> tell me about it Fator_Dee but it's night shift so it's cruisy
[11:10] <schasi> How to mount a fat partition the way that the characters dont look all corrputed and wrong?
[11:10] <membreya> i work a 24x7 roster thoreauputic ...but I'm quitting in a few month
[11:10] <membreya> s
[11:10] <membreya> I figure happiness is worth more than the job I have ..it's 50k ...but depressed..so gotta leave work :)
[11:11] <thoreauputic> membreya: yes, good move - work should not be depressing
[11:12] <Ad-Rock> Agrajag, i get this mount: /media/windows not mounted already, or bad option
[11:12] <Agrajag> what
[11:12] <Agrajag> what does your fstab line say, and what did you try to do?
[11:13] <Ad-Rock> /dev/hda1       /media/windows  ntfs    umask=0222,nls=utf8,exec  0 0
[11:13] <Ad-Rock> thats my fstab line
[11:13] <Ad-Rock> and what i tried to do was mount -a -o remount
[11:13] <thoreauputic> users,ro
[11:14] <Agrajag> what if you just try mount /media/windows?
[11:14] <fusion88> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=90789#post90789
[11:15] <Ad-Rock> Agrajag, well as a root it mounts, but i cant access to it as a user
[11:15] <Agrajag> oh, add the users option
[11:15] <Agrajag> /dev/hda1       /mnt/windows    ntfs    users,ro,umask=0222,nls=utf8,exec      0 0
[11:15] <Agrajag> like that
[11:15] <fusion88> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=90789#post90789
[11:16] <Agrajag> you should be able to mount/unmount it at will
[11:16] <Agrajag> not even as root
[11:16] <Ad-Rock> well.. same thing
[11:17] <Ad-Rock> eleazar@wombat:~ $ cd /media/windows/
[11:17] <Ad-Rock> bash: cd: /media/windows/: Permission denied
[11:17] <Agrajag> really, you can mount it as a normal user but not see its files?
[11:17] <Agrajag> what are the permissions on that directory?
[11:17] <Agrajag> ls -ld /media/windows
[11:17] <Ad-Rock> nope, i cant mount it as a user, i can mount it as a root
[11:17] <Agrajag> Even with the users option in fstab?
[11:18] <Ad-Rock> eleazar@wombat:~ $ ls -ld /media/windows/
[11:18] <Ad-Rock> dr-x------  1 root root 8192 2005-03-09 22:31 /media/windows/
[11:18] <Ad-Rock> yes
[11:18] <Agrajag> oh
[11:18] <Agrajag> sudo chmod 555 /media/windows
[11:18] <Agrajag> that should fix it
[11:19] <Ad-Rock> eleazar@wombat:~ $ sudo chmod 555 /media/windows
[11:19] <Ad-Rock> Password:
[11:19] <Ad-Rock> chmod: changing permissions of `/media/windows': Read-only file system
[11:19] <Ad-Rock> eleazar@wombat:~ $ cd /media/windows/
[11:19] <Ad-Rock> bash: cd: /media/windows/: Permission denied
[11:19] <Blackice1963> hello tester
[11:19] <Agrajag> wait what
[11:20] <Agrajag> is that mounted right now?
[11:20] <thoreauputic> Agrajag: even root has only r-x on that dir
[11:20] <Agrajag> that's as it should be
[11:20] <Agrajag> is it mounted right now?
[11:20] <Ad-Rock> yes
[11:20] <Agrajag> unmount it
[11:20] <Ad-Rock> ok
[11:20] <Agrajag> then change perms
[11:21] <Agrajag> though I don't see why it would say that's read-only...
[11:21] <Agrajag> wait
[11:21] <Agrajag> are you on a livecd?
[11:21] <Ad-Rock> nope
[11:21] <Agrajag> oh ok
[11:21] <linux_galor1> hai folks
[11:21] <Agrajag> well unmount it, then change perms, then mount it
[11:21] <Ad-Rock> well, i guess that maybe coz ntfs is read only on linux
[11:21] <Ad-Rock> ok
[11:21] <Agrajag> and tell me if it claims to be a read-only filesystem again
[11:21] <linux_galor1> Ad-Rock: ntfs is read and write and erase and move in Linux of you use captive
[11:21] <thoreauputic> Agrajag: my /mnt/winXP has 755 perms
[11:22] <Agrajag> thoreauputic: that's nice
[11:22] <linux_galor1> if
[11:22] <thoreauputic> not 555
[11:22] <Agrajag> writing is a bad idea
[11:22] <Agrajag> so it should be 555
[11:22] <linux_galor1> http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/
[11:22] <Agrajag> unless you're using captive
[11:22] <Ad-Rock> nothing, damn
[11:22] <Agrajag> but I trust that about as far as I could spit a rat
[11:22] <Agrajag> Ad-Rock: try changing it to something else, like /mnt/windows
[11:22] <Ad-Rock> ok
[11:23] <thoreauputic> Agrajag: erm, the rwr part refers to *access* , not writing  per se , and that was the default on creation : do you see the point?
[11:23] <Agrajag> thoreauputic: no, because that has nothign to do with his problem
[11:23] <thoreauputic> Agrajag: OK
[11:23] <Agrajag> the owner having write perms doesn't matter
[11:24] <Agrajag> mine is dr-xr-xr-x
[11:24] <Agrajag> as it should be, for a read-only FS
[11:24] <Ad-Rock> nothing
[11:24] <Agrajag> ok... this is weird
[11:25] <ace2001ac> is gnome help broken in hoary currently?
[11:25] <Ad-Rock> someone on this same channel told me like 2 weeks ago the line.. but i forgot it
[11:25] <Agrajag> line for what?
[11:25] <Agrajag> the fstab one?
[11:25] <Agrajag> I know for a fact the one I gave you works, because I use it myself
[11:25] <Ad-Rock> yeah, and i worked back then
[11:25] <Agrajag> on 3 filesystems
[11:25] <Agrajag> so something is screwed up
[11:26] <Ad-Rock> yeah
[11:26] <mxr> one thing i don't get. ubuntu has apt-get but when trying to install mplayer-custom i get The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[11:26] <Ad-Rock> Agrajag, are u on hoary?
[11:26] <Agrajag> yes
[11:26] <Agrajag> but it also worked in warty
[11:27] <Agrajag> and in gentoo before that
[11:27] <Agrajag> and mandrake 9 before that
[11:27] <Ad-Rock> im on hoary too
[11:27] <thoreauputic> mxr: which means you don't have the right repos for mplayer-custom
[11:27] <Ad-Rock> shit, this what i call bad luck...
[11:28] <mxr> thoreauputic, so what should i do now?
[11:28] <Agrajag> well,
[11:28] <Agrajag> I wish I could help you
[11:28] <scizzo> what is the problem?
[11:28] <linux_galor1> mxr: should be using synaptic
[11:28] <Agrajag> but it's 2:30 AM, I should be alseep
[11:28] <Ad-Rock> Agrajag, dont worry thx anyway
[11:28] <thoreauputic> mxr: have you read the restricted formats page, or ubuntuguide.org?
[11:28] <scizzo> Ad-Rock: what is the problem?
[11:28] <Agrajag> well good luck anyway
[11:28] <Ad-Rock> thx
[11:29] <Ad-Rock> scizzo, i cant access my ntfs partition as a user
[11:29] <mxr> linux_galor1, ok, will try that. have not used it before. just wanted to try out something new, debian based
[11:29] <mxr> thoreauputic, nope, not yet
[11:29] <mxr> thoreauputic, i should do that
[11:29] <linux_galor1> mxr: the idea of synaptic or apt-get is you dont every download anything you just add a few servers to the sources.list file and then just get apt-get or synaptic to get the package and fix the dependencies
[11:29] <scizzo> Ad-Rock: what is the fstab mount line?
[11:29] <thoreauputic> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:30] <thoreauputic> mxr: ^^
[11:30] <Ad-Rock> scizzo, /dev/hda1       /media/windows  ntfs    users,ro,umask=0222,nls=utf8,exec  0 0
[11:30] <thoreauputic> mxr: http://ubuntuguide.org is also a mine of information
[11:30] <scizzo> Ad-Rock: ummm...ok?
[11:31] <Ad-Rock> scizzo, well that's my fstab line
[11:31] <scizzo> Ad-Rock: tried to use: defaults,umask=0222,nls=utf8,exec
[11:31] <Ad-Rock> scizzo, ok
[11:31] <scizzo> and are you sure about the umask?
[11:31] <linux_galor1> I usually poke around google for debian servers with the "unofficial" versions of mplayer and the codecs
[11:31] <thoreauputic> scizzo: should be right for ntfs
[11:31] <scizzo> I use 3 numbers for the umask here
[11:31] <thoreauputic> scizzo: read-only
[11:32] <scizzo> thoreauputic: hmmm....yeah
[11:32] <Agrajag> scizzo: you can use 3 or 4
[11:32] <Agrajag> 0 just means you're not using a mask on setgid or setuid or sticky
[11:32] <Agrajag> 0 at the beginning there I mean
[11:33] <Agrajag> it's assumed to be zero if you use 222 instead of 0222
[11:33] <scizzo> yes yes
[11:33] <scizzo> :P
[11:33] <Ad-Rock> nothing
[11:34] <scizzo> hehe
[11:34] <scizzo> nothing?
[11:34] <Ad-Rock> nope, permission denied
[11:34] <scizzo> ls -ld /media/windows
[11:35] <Agrajag> I never had any problems with it
[11:35] <Ad-Rock> eleazar@wombat:~ $ ls -ld /mnt/windows/
[11:35] <Ad-Rock> dr-x------  1 root root 8192 2005-03-09 22:31 /mnt/windows/
[11:36] <Agrajag> Ad-Rock: wait, you still can't change perms on it?
[11:36] <thoreauputic> Agrajag: congratulations
[11:36] <linux_galor1> thoreauputic: its a conspiracy heh heh
[11:36] <thoreauputic> Agrajag: I mean this comes up in this channel regularly
[11:36] <Agrajag> something is very messed up if you can't change that to 555
[11:37] <linux_galor1> thoreauputic: I just use captive end of problem ......captive is even good for newbies because it edits the fstab file for them
[11:37] <thoreauputic> linux_galor1: yeah, my tinfoil hat must be wearing out
[11:38] <linux_galor1> thoreauputic:  kde has a nice fstab editor in kcontrol something I think gnome needs
[11:38] <Ad-Rock> Agrajag, when the partition is not mounted its 555
[11:38] <Agrajag> hm
[11:38] <Ad-Rock> root@wombat:/home/eleazar # umount /mnt/windows/
[11:38] <Ad-Rock> root@wombat:/home/eleazar # chmod 555 /mnt/windows/
[11:38] <Ad-Rock> root@wombat:/home/eleazar # ls -ld /mnt/windows/
[11:38] <Ad-Rock> dr-xr-xr-x  2 root root 4096 2005-03-11 06:23 /mnt/windows/
[11:38] <Ad-Rock> root@wombat:/home/eleazar # mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows
[11:38] <Ad-Rock> root@wombat:/home/eleazar # ls -ld /mnt/windows/
[11:38] <Ad-Rock> dr-x------  1 root root 8192 2005-03-09 22:31 /mnt/windows/
[11:38] <Ad-Rock> see?
[11:38] <thoreauputic> linux_galor1: yes, but really this should be done automagically by the installer
[11:38] <scizzo> you never ever change the permissions with chmod on a win disk....
[11:38] <azriel0184> linux_galor1, i call it gedit /etc/fstab :)
[11:38] <linux_galor1> just click on the options you want for that partition/device and of it goes
[11:39] <Agrajag> scizzo: he's not changing permson the disk
[11:39] <Agrajag> he's changing perms on the mountpoint
[11:39] <linux_galor1> azriel0184: yeah but there its very easy for new users they just click on the options box's
[11:39] <scizzo> still...be very careful with chmod on another filesystem
[11:39] <Agrajag> scizzo: he;s mounting it read-only
[11:39] <Nighteyes> Hy,
[11:40] <Ad-Rock> this is so f*cked up
[11:40] <scizzo> if I where you..I would start from the beginning...
[11:40] <dud-> why is mysql turned off by defalt in the "etc/php4/apache2/php.ini " file?
[11:40] <Nighteyes> I'd like to ask your opinion in upgrading to ubuntu hoary..
[11:40] <scizzo> 1. Umount the disk that has win mounted on it
[11:40] <azriel0184> i just copy/pasted the existing entry for the / dir and modified the mountpoint and the device and i was done for my mounts
[11:40] <Ad-Rock> Nighteyes, do it :p
[11:40] <linux_galor1> <-- is a long time Linux users loves CLI but also admins Linux on the desktop with real people and now is a big pusher of clicky tools for newbies
[11:40] <Nighteyes> Ad-Rock It's stable enough (i'm not bother with a little unstabillity)
[11:40] <scizzo> 2. go to fstab....remove everything from the user,blaha thingy but not... defaults, umask=0222
[11:41] <Nighteyes> * ?
[11:41] <scizzo> 3. look at the persmissions on the mountpoint ls -ld /mnt/windows
[11:41] <Ad-Rock> Nighteyes, yeh
[11:41] <scizzo> 4. change it to the persmissions you want with chmod and chown...
[11:41] <linux_galor1> scizzo:  think about what your just posting........then think.........can an idiot do this
[11:41] <dud-> heh, this is the first linux distro I've actually used for the desktop, I'm really not sure how to get things done in linux without a cli
[11:41] <Ad-Rock> scizzo ok
[11:42] <scizzo> 5. try to mount it again and then try to see the differences between unmounted point and mounted point
[11:42] <linux_galor1> no insult intended
[11:42] <thoreauputic> linux_galor1: heh - I wouldn't want an idiot setting up mount points on *my* system ;-)
[11:42] <Ad-Rock> omfg! my hdd just ticked! 2 times
[11:42] <Nighteyes> Ad-Rock And there's no any compatibillity problems because the one thing I like in ubuntu is the organization and how everything function together well.
[11:42] <azriel0184> dud, use a cli then?
[11:42] <Nighteyes> (and again, i forgot '?')
[11:43] <linux_galor1> thoreauputic: yes but what often amazes me is the howto for new users for "any" distro....they are just bazaar as far as Im concerned
[11:43] <RarLukT> I have a quick question... I just installed the program, and I wanna setup a network. But it asks for a Root-password. I never made one.. And the password for my account doesn't work..
[11:43] <Haasma> does anybody know  if ubuntu will start on a 333mhz celeron with 64 mb of ram?
[11:43] <Ad-Rock> Nighteyes, nope dont worry just do it
[11:43] <leveldoc> hi ppl - does anyone have the same problem with hoary: mozilla-thunderbird doesn't start anymore?
[11:43] <scizzo> linux_galor1: well at least I am trying to help
[11:43] <thoreauputic> linux_galor1: the problem is geeks think differently and can't see why they are misunderstood :)
[11:43] <linux_galor1> thoreauputic: also makes you wonder about the "just works" motto
[11:44] <schasi> leveldoc: Do you know why?
[11:44] <azriel0184> Haasma, possibly, but it definently wont be prity
[11:44] <oz_> hi all - what's the best place for info on installing a TV tuner card (winfast tv 2000 xp)
[11:44] <schasi> leveldoc: And if you dont, why do you use hoary in the first place ;-) lets see
[11:44] <thoreauputic> linux_galor1: yes, *this* should "just work"
[11:44] <Nighteyes> Ad-Rock Thx :-) And all's left is just to change the apt source and quit the console and apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[11:44] <leveldoc> schasi: nope. :-) This is what the output is:
[11:44] <scizzo> linux_galor1: I am working as a systemtengineer and in my work the impossible things also needs to be looked at even though you get nothing about how things work in the beginning...
[11:44] <schasi> leveldoc: Try to start it via terminal and look for the errormessages
[11:44] <leveldoc>  ***** Registering: Clean Compreg! ****
[11:44] <leveldoc> observe:
[11:44] <leveldoc> nothing here: null
[11:44] <leveldoc> observe called
[11:44] <leveldoc> FILE: [xpconnect wrapped nsIFile] *** loading the extensions datasource
[11:44] <leveldoc> this keeps repeating and repeating and ....
[11:44] <linux_galor1> scizzo: yes I know but Im trying to make people think about what there saying......to me and you this is everyday stuff for normal people its all some weird new language they dont have time to stuff around with
[11:44] <Haasma> i dried core 4.01 or something like that and it didnt start? why?
[11:45] <RarLukT> Is there a standard root-password?
[11:45] <scizzo> linux_galor1: what do you want me todo? create a script?
[11:45] <thoreauputic> could people *PLEASE* not paste more than four lines in here?
[11:45] <scizzo> linux_galor1: login and do it myself to see what happens?
[11:45] <linux_galor1> scizzo: no poke the ubuntu people ....
[11:45] <scizzo> linux_galor1: what? what do you expect of me?
[11:45] <scizzo> I will shut up now then
[11:45] <leveldoc> thoreauputic: sorry about that. Won't happen again.
[11:46] <schasi> leveldoc: Since when do you have that problem? and what did you do before it broke?
[11:46] <Haasma> bye bye
[11:46] <thoreauputic> leveldoc: OK - wasn't just for you ;)
[11:46] <linux_galor1> scizzo: Im not putting down what you are doing but what my question is ..why doesnt it work
[11:46] <hayden> what is the default username and pass for folders shared using    System->Administration->Shared Folders
[11:46] <leveldoc> schasi: that happend after dist-upgrade to hoary. I had no problems before. I tried renaming my profile directory (so that it would create a new one, which it did), but to no avail.
[11:47] <thoreauputic> scizzo: i don't think anyone is belittling your efforts to help :)
[11:47] <leveldoc> schasi: I tried re-installing it as well.
[11:47] <schasi> leveldoc: Im puzzled and confused
[11:48] <pepperpot> I'm trying to run quake2 and am getting: LoadLibrary("ref_softx.so") failed: No such file or directory
[11:48] <leveldoc> schasi: welcome in my world! :-)
[11:48] <Ad-Rock> Nighteyes, yes, just change where it says warty for hoary, and then sudo apt-get update and then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:48] <schasi> leveldoc: Sry cant help here, waaaay to noob for it
[11:48] <cafuego> stop accusing me
[11:48] <scizzo> linux_galor1: that is what I was trying to find out by doing the steps for him....
[11:48] <leveldoc> can anyone else help me?
[11:48] <scizzo> linux_galor1: I wrote 1. do this... 2. do that.. etc...
[11:48] <schasi> leveldoc: But you upgraded to hoary which is not stable. Can happen ;-)
[11:49] <linux_galor1> I used to run around throwing all the cryptic Linux/Unix stuff around until I realised most people are too embarrassed to say they havent got a clue what your saying so go along with it then just reboot delete Linux and go back to windows
[11:49] <scizzo> linux_galor1: if he gets stuck at some point he can always ask again about the step....
[11:49] <schasi> leveldoc: Did you search for it? I dont think anyone in here can help you
[11:49] <netdur> hey people, what do you use to listen to music (mp3)?
[11:49] <Ad-Rock> scizzo, i did the four steps, the permissions change when i mount the partition, and still i cant access as a user
[11:49] <jsc> nice job on hoary guys..... installed on an amd64 laptop without a hitch
[11:49] <Ad-Rock> netdur, xmms
[11:49] <thoreauputic> scizzo: the pont we were discussing was "why is this not handled by the installer?"
[11:49] <leveldoc> schasi: sure it can. Just didn't think something like mozilla-thunderbird would fail... as it is fairly stable.
[11:49] <scizzo> Ad-Rock: what are the permissions?
[11:49] <thoreauputic> *point
[11:49] <scizzo> thoreauputic: good questions
[11:49] <leveldoc> yes, I did last night. Maybe I should try again today?
[11:49] <scizzo> thoreauputic: -s
[11:50] <linux_galor1> thoreauputic: correct.....this isnt a just works thing anymore so by definition its broken
[11:50] <netdur> thanks
[11:50] <scizzo> but then again...you need to find the source of the problem don't you?
[11:50] <schasi> leveldoc: Wait until it is fiexed ;-)
[11:50] <thoreauputic> linux_galor1: and appears not to have been fixed in hoary
[11:50] <Ad-Rock> scizzo, with the partition umounted: dr-xr-xr-x  2 root root 4096 2005-03-11 06:23 /mnt/windows/
[11:50] <linux_galor1> thoreauputic: not good
[11:50] <scizzo> Ad-Rock: ok...and mounted?
[11:50] <leveldoc> ok, another thing: how do KDE applications interface with the sound solution that has been found in hoary?
[11:50] <Ad-Rock> scizzo, with the partition mounted: dr-x------  1 root root 8192 2005-03-09 22:31 /mnt/windows/
[11:51] <linux_galor1> thoreauputic: need to tell the ubuntu team
[11:51] <leveldoc> I guess it's esd again, isn't it?
[11:51] <thoreauputic> Ad-Rock: have you tried mounting as a user?
[11:51] <linux_galor1> leveldoc: artsd
[11:51] <scizzo> Ad-Rock: hmm..nothing changed then
[11:51] <leveldoc> linux_galor1: just install that?
[11:51] <Ad-Rock> thoreauputic, nope just as root
[11:51] <RarLukT> Quick question; Is there a standard root-password?
[11:51] <schasi> artsd is for kde and esd for gnome, right?
[11:51] <scizzo> Ad-Rock: for some reason it seems like the umask is not being used when mounting it...or something simular
[11:51] <linux_galor1> leveldoc: artsd should be installed when kde is installed
[11:51] <thoreauputic> Ad-Rock: try it as a user
[11:51] <schasi> RarLukT: There is no root ;-)
[11:51] <zeedo> RarLukT: the password for root isnt set
[11:52] <zeedo> RarLukT: use sudo
[11:52] <linux_galor1> leveldoc: artsd can be managed under kcontrol or use kmix
[11:52] <leveldoc> linux_galor1: well, I don't want KDE installed, I just need two applications to run (under GNOME): kile and skype.
[11:52] <Ad-Rock> thoreauputic, eleazar@wombat:~ $ mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows/
[11:52] <Ad-Rock> mount: only root can do that
[11:52] <linux_galor1> leveldoc: yeah bit of a bummer that
[11:52] <leveldoc> and especially skype needs access to microphone and speakers. Worked with Warty without any problems.
[11:52] <thoreauputic> Ad-Rock: try just mount /mnt/windows
[11:52] <RarLukT> sudo?
[11:53] <zeedo> RarLukT: man sudo
[11:53] <schasi> sudo!
[11:53] <linux_galor1> leveldoc: kde has been integrating most of its stuff
[11:53] <thoreauputic> that error always happens if you do it with /dev
[11:53] <schasi> How comes i need some sound servers and the like to have more than one thing making noise at once for linux?
[11:53] <linux_galor1> thoreauputic: try instaling the artsd sound server
[11:53] <Ad-Rock> thoreauputic, eleazar@wombat:~ $ mount /mnt/windows/
[11:53] <Ad-Rock> mount: can't find /mnt/windows in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[11:53] <leveldoc> linux_galor1: so what do I need to do in order to get it working? Disable esd for GNOME and have everything use OSS?
[11:53] <RarLukT> Zeedo: What do you mean by sudo?
[11:53] <Ad-Rock> and its on fstab
[11:54] <thoreauputic> linux_galor1: ?
[11:54] <linux_galor1> leveldoc: well kde uses oss or alsa
[11:54] <thoreauputic> Ad-Rock: weirder and weirder
[11:54] <Ad-Rock> oh wait
[11:54] <leveldoc> ok, so OSS is the way to go then. I disable ESD in the Sound Settings of GNOME, right?
[11:54] <Ad-Rock> thoreauputic, i removed, users,ro from fstab
[11:54] <linux_galor1> leveldoc: no i run both works fine
[11:54] <leveldoc> then I switch everything over to use OSS directly and I am done, correct?
[11:54] <thoreauputic> Ad-Rock: ls -ld /etc/fstab    ?
[11:55] <leveldoc> linux_galor1: so where do I need to look up the reason why skape fails to access my speaker and microphone?
[11:55] <johso> Hey peeps ;)
[11:55] <thoreauputic> Ad-Rock: ah, yes I think you'll need "users" :)
[11:55] <leveldoc> or better yet, what's changed since warty regarding this?
[11:55] <linux_galor1> leveldoc: dont know
[11:55] <leveldoc> ok
[11:55] <leveldoc> thanks anyway
[11:56] <Ad-Rock> thoreauputic, and ro?
[11:56] <scizzo> Ad-Rock: mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows -t ntfs -r -o umask=0222
[11:56] <zeedo> RarLukT: sudo is a command for allowing you to run programs as root
[11:56] <scizzo> Ad-Rock: try that once instead of using fstab thingy
[11:56] <thoreauputic> Ad-Rock: won't do any harm (I have it here)
[11:56] <Ad-Rock> scizzo, as root?
[11:56] <scizzo> Ad-Rock: yes
[11:57] <scizzo> Ad-Rock: I am just trying to find answers on the NTFS page for Linux now...
[11:57] <johso> I've got my wireless working here, but I need to do a 'sudo modprobe acerhk usedritek=1 autowlan=1 force_series=290' and then 'echo 1 > /proc/drivers/acerhk/wirelessd' everytime I start up. Could I somehow get this done automatic on startup?
[11:57] <Ad-Rock> scizzo: it worked!
[11:57] <scizzo> Ad-Rock: hmmm
[11:58] <pepperpot> Does the current hoary quake2 package work for anyone here?
[11:58] <Ad-Rock> scizzo, how do i put that exact line in fstab?
[11:58] <scizzo> Ad-Rock: the fstab line should be: /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows ntfs ro,umask=0222 0 0
[11:58] <scizzo> or something like that
[11:59] <thoreauputic> johso: write it as a script, put it in /etc/init.d, then use update-rc.d to make the links
[11:59] <scizzo> Ad-Rock: http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/info/ntfs.html#4.1
[11:59] <scizzo> Ad-Rock: there is the info I found
[12:00] <johso> thoreauputic: - what about the password it asks for when I do a sudo first time?
[12:00] <scizzo> Ad-Rock: you can start with ro,umask=0222 then try to see if you can add other things to that line....
[12:00] <scizzo> Ad-Rock: to restrict it or change thingys... :)
[12:00] <thoreauputic> johso: although the modprobe part can be short-cicuited by putting the module in /etc/modules
[12:00] <Ad-Rock> scizzo, thx so much man, really
[12:01] <scizzo> Ad-Rock: no problem
[12:01] <thoreauputic> johso: startup scripts run as root - sudo isn't required
[12:01] <johso> thoreauputic: ahh, I see :)
[12:02] <johso> thoreauputic: however, I've not really got an idea of how to make a startup script?
[12:03] <thoreauputic> johso: essentially, you just put your commands in a file, one per line, with #!/bin/sh as the top line, save the file, make it executable
[12:04] <thoreauputic> johso: lots of begining howtos on scripting on the web
[12:04] <jesuel> hah, the punisher is a good movie
[12:05] <thoreauputic> johso: yours will be quite easy to write, since you already know the commands
[12:06] <thoreauputic> johso: use gedit or whatever editor you feel comfortable with
[12:07] <Elephantman> hi
[12:07] <Elephantman> does anyone know if hoary final will include kernel 2.6.11 ?
[12:08] <johso> thoreauputic: got it - but making it executable?
[12:08] <thoreauputic> johso: chmod +x yourscript
[12:08] <Myrtti> chmod
[12:09] <johso> oh, ofc! thanks :D
[12:09] <hayden> whats the command to see the shared folders on computers on the network
[12:09] <Ad-Rock> well guys, im gonna get some sleep, thx for all cya all
[12:10] <thoreauputic> johso: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO.html  << not a bad intro
[12:11] <johso> thx!
[12:11] <johso> Is it necessary to reboot after this, or is ctrl-alt-backspace enough?
[12:11] <thoreauputic> johso: although that will tell you *much* more than you need to know to make your startup script :D
[12:12] <thoreauputic> johso: to test the script, you would need to reboot, (easier) or after update-rc.d is finished, do /etc/init.d/myscript start
[12:13] <johso> thoreauputic: Well, as long as it's not totally unimportant information, I think I'll survive..
[12:13] <thoreauputic> johso: man update-rc.d will tell you the steps
[12:13] <Guinea> Hi!
[12:14] <thoreauputic> johso: oh, no - that tut is quite good, and useful if you want to write other scripts
[12:14] <Guinea> When I try to start a program, it says: "ImportError: No module named gtk" - What can I do?
[12:16] <Nermal> Elephantman, I expect so
[12:16] <Elephantman> you expect ?
[12:17] <johso> also, another, gnome related, problem I have, is that when I browse through folders, each folder opens in a new windows. that's just extremely annoying, so how do I disable this?
[12:18] <wezzer-> johso: press shift while you double click folder
[12:18] <Myrtti> oh btw, is there a way of setting OpenOffice to use a certain location/locales-file, keeping the whole other system in English?
[12:18] <dmouritsendk> johso, you can change the default in gconf
[12:18] <wezzer-> or then click the folder on right button and secelt "browse"
[12:18] <thoreauputic> johso: I feel your pain :/  In warty at least, you can choose "open as browser"
[12:18] <wezzer-> or then like dmouritsendk said
[12:19] <zbowling> http://polystimulus.com/Screenshot-WeatherSharp.png
[12:20] <dmouritsendk> johso,  (using gconf-editor, select /apps/nautilus/preferences/ and set always_use_browser to true)
[12:20] <johso> pressing shift is better, but it's still annoying that the height/width changes all the time ..
[12:20] <thoreauputic> johso: in the nautilus file manager, under edit >> preferences >> behaviour, there is "always open as browser'  (in warty)
[12:20] <njan> Anyone any clue why alsa in warty would just have broken such that it's totally unlistenable to because of obscene distortion? This happened to me in hoary with the same card a few weeks back :(
[12:21] <johso> Thanks guys, this is much, much, much better! :D
[12:22] <johso> But I still wonder why the default is like that, I don't think that anybody likes it.
[12:23] <johso> someone got a good link to icons? my mplayer icon has white background, which makes it stand out from the rest, looks kind of stupid..
[12:23] <thoreauputic> johso: indeed, I don't understand it either: in fact I now use a different file manager whenever possible
[12:23] <thoreauputic> rox filer
[12:23] <thoreauputic> johso: well, make one in the gimp with a transparent b'ground, and save it as .png ;-)
[12:24] <johso> is it good? maybe a bit prettier?
[12:24] <thoreauputic> rox? It's very configurable and quick
[12:24] <johso> mkai, maybe I should try it... Where to get?
[12:24] <thoreauputic> but it takes a bit of setting up
[12:25] <thoreauputic> hmm - warty or hoary?
[12:25] <johso> Warty...
[12:25] <nikls> I have an ASUS Z8GP30 laptop and I installed Ubuntu on it hoping it would automatically install the wifi but it didn't. I don't know how to install wifi, can someone help me.
[12:25] <zbowling> http://polystimulus.com/Screenshot-WeatherSharp.png mono rules.. crap app I wrote in 3 minutes to get the current weather forcast.. needs some UI love but I can do that in a few more minutes
[12:25] <dmouritsendk> johso, u could also check http://art.gnome.org/art-icons/ or http://www.gnomelook.org/index.php?xcontentmode=120&PHPSESSID=da1a610f419c92b476459fa174ec5afe to find other icons if u dont wanna mess with it urself
[12:26] <thoreauputic> johso: I have a deb here, if you like I can dcc it to you
[12:26] <johso> I would appreciate that, thank you.
[12:27] <johso> dmouritsendk: thx mate :)
[12:27] <thoreauputic> offered, johso
[12:28] <thoreauputic> johso: can you accept the dcc?
[12:28] <johso> I did..?
[12:28] <thoreauputic> did you highlight it first?
[12:28] <thoreauputic> not moving here
[12:29] <johso> ehm - not sure, but I think I got it?
[12:29] <thoreauputic> no, it hasn't moved
[12:29] <johso> I'm using Opera here, maybe there is some kind of interuption between?
[12:29] <thoreauputic> ah
[12:29] <thoreauputic> do you have xchat?
[12:29] <johso> nope, haven't got the file..
[12:29] <thoreauputic> you must, since you have ubuntu :)
[12:30] <thoreauputic> OK Opera doesn't like it, I guess
[12:31] <zbowling> Opera?
[12:31] <johso> well, give it one try more, maybe I did something wrong - then I'll try xchat..
[12:31] <zbowling> no comment
[12:31] <johso> It can't be true that my beloved Opera could do such a thing ;)
[12:31] <envel> Where is the grub menu.lst located?
[12:32] <envel> help please
[12:32] <Myrtti> envel: locate menu.lst?
[12:32] <envel> aahhh...!
[12:32] <envel> not working:(
[12:32] <thoreauputic> johso: offering it again
[12:32] <johso> nah, nothing new there - I'll try xchat..
[12:32] <Myrtti> envel: without the questionmark?
[12:32] <johso_> thoreauputic, here...
[12:33] <Myrtti> :-)
[12:33] <thoreauputic> johso, BTW I'm on dialup - so it will take a few minutes to upload ;)
[12:33] <envel> Myrty: it says: could not open database
[12:33] <envel> sorry, Myrtti
[12:33] <johso> thoreauputic: dialup? hmm, may I ask why?
[12:34] <thoreauputic> johso, poverty ?
[12:34] <thoreauputic> ;-)
[12:34] <envel> Where is the grub config file menu.lst located?
[12:34] <thoreauputic>  /boot
[12:34] <envel> ah-ha! thanks
[12:34] <johso> thoreauputic: allrighty then ;) but dial-up would be more expensive than cabel here...
[12:35] <thoreauputic> johso, heh, not in australia
[12:35] <johso> thoreauputic: one word: scary :P
[12:36] <johso> thoreauputic: If it will take a few minutes, I think I'll just reboot to see if my script works, and then you can send it :)
[12:41] <RickX> can someone point me to docs on how to use a ram stick or removable drive for configs, settings and /home?
[12:42] <ubuseer> I've been searching through the forums about enabling scrollwheel on a synaptic touchpad on a gateway 200x laptop, does anyone have any success with that?
[12:42] <johso> And it works without a single prob. Beautiful :)
[12:42] <thoreauputic> RickX: any forum for knoppix, or damnsmall linux
[12:42] <RickX> ... that would be using the LiveCD
[12:43] <thoreauputic> johso: so, you are a bash guru now ! *grin*
[12:43] <RickX> thoreauputic: the same scan command works for Ubuntu as for Knoppix?
[12:43] <johso> thoreauputic: Yir! lol
[12:43] <thoreauputic> RickX: I don't know, sorry - have you tried?
[12:44] <johso> thoreauputic: This reboot reminded my of one thing - everytime I boot up, it's almost "stopping" at 'Configuring network interfaces' - is this a common problem or what?
[12:44] <RickX> thoreauputic: no. I just DLed the LiveCD iso.
[12:44] <thoreauputic> johso: were you online?
[12:44] <RickX> I don't supose it will hurt anyting to try it.
[12:45] <thoreauputic> RickX: yeah, you can yell at me if it doesn't ;-)
[12:45] <thoreauputic> johso: are you on xchat now?
[12:46] <RickX> thoreauputic: I will be at work then :-) ... I'll probably be playing with some LiveCDs this weekend, though.
[12:46] <RickX> thanks.
[12:47] <johso_> thoreauputic, I'm on both, this is xchat
[12:47] <ubuseer> has anyone have any success with enabling the scrollwheel on a touchpad in ubuntu?
[12:47] <thoreauputic> OK - here it comes, at a bou 3k/sec if you're lucky ;)
[12:48] <johso_> lol!
[12:48] <thoreauputic> Ok it's going..
[12:48] <johso_> I'm lucky!
[12:48] <thoreauputic> hehe
[12:49] <thoreauputic> you'll find it in ~/.xchat2/
[12:50] <thoreauputic> johso, ~/.xchat2/Downloads I believe...
[12:50] <thoreauputic> unless you changed the default
[12:50] <thoreauputic> wow, 390 kb already!
[12:50] <johso> thoreauputic: haven't been using xchat, so i haven't... (at least I don't think so) :P
[12:51] <thoreauputic> I used to use Opera, but i stopped using it last year
[12:51] <johso> Why?
[12:51] <johso> Why would anyone want to do that? :S
[12:51] <thoreauputic> firefox does all I want, with extensions
[12:51] <goldfish> lol
[12:51] <thoreauputic> haha
[12:51] <goldfish> opera is faster
[12:52] <johso> indeed gold, indeed!
[12:52] <thoreauputic> johso, also, it's "unfree" ;)
[12:52] <goldfish> firefox is quite slow on ubuntu
[12:52] <goldfish> even with the ipv6 tweek
[12:52] <goldfish> i may try some other browser
[12:52] <goldfish> s
[12:52] <schasi> ipv6 tweak?
[12:52] <goldfish> yeah
[12:52] <schasi> links?
[12:52] <schasi> link
[12:52] <thoreauputic> goldfish: if you want *fast*, try dillo
[12:52] <goldfish> ubuntuguide.org schasi
[12:52] <goldfish> in tips and tricks section
[12:52] <thoreauputic> but dillo is kind of limiting...
[12:53] <goldfish> ah right
[12:53] <johso> thoreauputic: true, but you know, but something is worth paying for :)
[12:53] <thoreauputic> johso I wasn't referring to price ;)  free as in "free speech"
[12:54] <thoreauputic> OK the send is complete, it seems
[12:54] <johso> thoreauputic: uhm - I'm so not following you :P
[12:54] <johso> like when ppl talk 'bout it?
[12:55] <thoreauputic> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/philosophy.html
[12:55] <thoreauputic> johso, that explains "free"
[12:56] <johso> thoreauputic: well, then it's still somehow related to the price ;)
[12:56] <thoreauputic> I think the only "non free" prog I have is Real Player ( for listening to the BBC)
[12:57] <johso> Couldn't you find a alternative for that?
[12:57] <thoreauputic> johso. so you found your rox deb?
[12:57] <johso> thoreauputic: aye - I'm just about to install
[12:57] <thoreauputic> johso, real use proprietary codecs, as far as I know
[12:58] <ritalin> hola
[12:58] <goldfish> hi
[12:58] <alejandro> hola ritalin
[12:58] <ritalin> Im getting ready to try ubuntu
[12:58] <ritalin> looks neat
[12:59] <johso> thoreauputic: any notes before I install it? ;)
[12:59] <thoreauputic> just do sudo dpkg -i
[12:59] <thoreauputic> you probably know that
[12:59] <ritalin> Will I be able to upgrade from a preview release of hoary to the official when it comes out?
[12:59] <ritalin> or will i need a reinstall?
[12:59] <johso> yea, I do ;)
[01:00] <sal002> s there a lightweight wm in ubuntu? that I can insyall via apt-get?
[01:00] <alejandro> alguno que hable espaol x la sala?
[01:00] <sal002> or how do I search debs?
[01:01] <ritalin> im guessing apt-get search "foo"
[01:01] <johso> thoreauputic: installed - now what?
[01:01] <ritalin> although ive only used fink on os x
[01:01] <thoreauputic> apt-cache search "foo"
[01:01] <minimal> hi, I have a problem with my Ubuntu linux
[01:01] <sal002> rit: nope :P
[01:01] <thoreauputic> johso: http://rox.sourceforge.net/phpwiki/index.php/
[01:02] <dmouritsendk> sal002, might wanna take a peek @ http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html
[01:02] <thoreauputic> johso: just type rox in a terminal
[01:02] <minimal> i tried to add to the grub config another system to boot but it still doesn't want to boot anything else than ubuntu
[01:02] <johso> thoreauputic: found out - but can I make it default opener?
[01:02] <A-L-P-H-A> how do I setup multiple monitors?  I have 3 monitors, one card is an ATI9200se (AGP), and the other card is an ATI9200 (PCI).  Currently the same desktop is being displayed on both monitors on my PCI card.
[01:03] <thoreauputic> johso: not really - all of the gnome desktop is tied to nautilus
[01:03] <ritalin> So did anyone know?
[01:03] <ritalin> if you will be able to upgrade preview releases?
[01:03] <ritalin> when official comes out
[01:03] <johso> thoreauputic: okay..
[01:03] <thoreauputic> johso: in rox, right-click >> help
[01:04] <minimal> anyone here willing to help?
[01:04] <thoreauputic> the help is quite good
[01:04] <saciits> does anyone has dcgui-qt working on hoary
[01:04] <sal002> dmouritsendk: Thanks!
[01:04] <thoreauputic> ritalin: sure, just keep doing apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:04] <ritalin> thoreauputic: ty
[01:04] <johso> thoreauputic: But it does open in Firefox, eventhough Opera is default :P
[01:05] <dmouritsendk> sal002, no problem :)
[01:05] <ritalin> njan: you sad?
[01:05] <thoreauputic> johso: that's a gnome issue
[01:05] <ritalin> Im bouncing off the walls here
[01:05] <ritalin> big ole pot of coffee
[01:05] <njan> ritalin, I'm unhappy because alsa is screwed and I have no clue why. I think the problem which crippled my hoary has made it into warty.
[01:05] <minimal> how to add another system to boot to the grub??
[01:05] <thoreauputic> ritalin: we noticed ;-)
[01:06] <njan> ritalin, and unfortunately, alsa is one of the few things I use practically 12 hours a day
[01:06] <ritalin> njan: that sucks
[01:06] <saciits> does anyone has dcgui-qt working on hoary?
[01:06] <ritalin> Id offer help but im a OS X user
[01:06] <njan> ritalin, heh
[01:06] <ritalin> my sound just works
[01:06] <thoreauputic> minimal: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:07] <njan> ritalin, I'm seriously considering distro. Unfortunately, things seem to break for me in ubuntu more than I should, but I switched to ubuntu because it's stabler as a desktop than any other distro I've used :(
[01:07] <thoreauputic> ritalin: just out of interest, how did you do the "registered" symbol?
[01:07] <njan> s/considering distro/considering switching distro/
[01:07] <minimal> thoreauputic, i did that already but it still doesn't work :/
[01:07] <ritalin> thoreauputic: alt-r
[01:07] <Kvark> i downloaded new fonts and now i got TTF files but have no idea what to do with them, please help
[01:07] <thoreauputic> minimal: well, sounds like you got it wrong...
[01:07] <thoreauputic> ritalin: thanks
[01:07] <ritalin> 
[01:07] <jesuel> njan: ubuntu has been basically perfect for me. Ive not broken it beyond fixing yet.
[01:08] <sal002> Anyone here use x2x?
[01:08] <njan> jesuel, it's been really good for me too. Alsa is the first thing to seriously break.
[01:08] <dmouritsendk> njan, what kind of work are you using you computer for (and what apps give u problems?)
[01:08] <jesuel> what did you do to it?
[01:08] <minimal> thoreauputic, would you be so kind and tell me how to do it right? :)
[01:08] <thoreauputic> ritalin: doesn't do it here :(
[01:08] <ritalin> Well im getting ready to delete my os x and install ubuntu so hopefully i wont have the same issues
[01:08] <njan> dmouritsendk, nothing terribly exciting, and no apps in particular - alsa is just totally screwed; there's massive distortion irrespective of whether I'm using alsa or oss emulation and irrespective of what I use to play audio.
[01:09] <thoreauputic> minimal: maybe someone with grub experience - I used lilo until last month :)
[01:09] <njan> jesuel, nothing, it just broke. I didn't even apt-get update
[01:09] <minimal> thoreauputic, i used lilo too, and that's why i now have problems with grub :/
[01:09] <dmouritsendk> njan, aah. the many joys of alsa :D
[01:09] <jesuel> I took my laptop to work today, my coworkers already want me to help them install ubuntu on their home systems and setup their systems.
[01:09] <thoreauputic> ritalin: ppc ubuntu works well
[01:09] <dmouritsendk> njan, what sc u got?
[01:09] <ritalin> Im doing the preview
[01:09] <ritalin> hope it isnt to buggy
[01:09] <njan> dmouritsendk, OEM AC97 laptop card; Sigmatel chipset
[01:10] <thoreauputic> johso: how are you getting on with rox?
[01:10] <thoreauputic> ritalin: ah, I just have warty on my iBook
[01:10] <ritalin> Sweet ,thats what im installing on
[01:11] <ritalin> ibook G4, 800mhz
[01:11] <thoreauputic> G4 1.2 Ghz, 768MB RAM
[01:11] <ritalin> Still no Airport Extreme support is there?
[01:11] <thoreauputic> no
[01:11] <ritalin> :(
[01:11] <jesuel> blah airport's
[01:12] <jesuel> yuck
[01:12] <ritalin> damn broadcom!
[01:12] <ritalin> they are evil
[01:12] <jesuel> yes, yes they are.
[01:12] <jimarko> hey all :D
[01:12] <Kvark> anyone know what to do with .TTF files?
[01:12] <dmouritsendk> njan, what alsa driver are you using for it?
[01:12] <ritalin> Kvark: delete them?
[01:13] <Kvark> no, i want the fonts
[01:13] <thoreauputic> Kvark: ttf ? true type fonts?
[01:13] <jimarko> in Nautilus type 'fonts:///' in the address bar, and then drag and drop em
[01:13] <Kvark> yeah
[01:13] <thoreauputic> put them in .fonts
[01:13] <Kvark> and then they work?
[01:13] <thoreauputic> ~/.fonts
[01:13] <jimarko> when you login/logout they should show up
[01:13] <ritalin> You have to config your x11 dont you?
[01:13] <thoreauputic> yes
[01:13] <ritalin> I had to on gentoo anyways
[01:13] <ritalin> it was a bitch
[01:13] <Kvark> sweet thats easy :)
[01:14] <jimarko> yeh, ttfs on RH7.3 and an old debian was evil
[01:14] <jesuel> jimarko: oh god dont remind me
[01:15] <jesuel> rh7.3 was my nemesis for the longest while when i was setting it up.
[01:15] <jimarko> hey, just a general question about the Ubuntu crew... are they primarily located in America, Europe, Australia, Asia, etc?
[01:15] <jesuel> I seriously wanted to pull my hair out.
[01:15] <jesuel> jimarko: on the moon!
[01:15] <thoreauputic> jimarko: all over
[01:15] <Vjaz> jimarko: They code it in the Congo.
[01:16] <jimarko> jesuel: Yeh, and then RH8 was no better... I remember my first impression was, 'wtf no MP3 support'
[01:16] <thoreauputic> jimarko: several in Australia for example
[01:16] <Vjaz> jimarko: (joke, which probably no one got...)
[01:16] <jimarko> lol
[01:16] <jesuel> jimarko: that was easily fixed, but anyhow.
[01:17] <jimarko> yeh, i know it was, but after using Mandrake 8.3 before that, i was expecting it out of the box
[01:17] <jesuel> I actually used rh up to release 9, then migrated to debian, now its ubuntu.
[01:17] <jesuel> I started rh with 5.2
[01:17] <jimarko> Yeh, i was loving RH9, the i went to debian for my games servers, then back to Fedora c2 and c3, now i've 'come home' to Ubuntu
[01:18] <thoreauputic> jesuel: I tried rh8 - it stayed on my machine for 1 day before I installed Debian :)
[01:18] <jesuel> thoreauputic: lol. I didnt know any better.
[01:18] <thoreauputic> neither did I at the time :)
[01:18] <jimarko> I asked my question before about where the Ubuntu Team was from because i noticed a bit of a New Zealand influence :)
[01:18] <ritalin> ubuntu come with java?
[01:18] <thoreauputic> RPMs drove me nuts
[01:18] <jesuel> I came from a irix and solaris background
[01:19] <jesuel> I still have 3 sun boxes at home, and 2 sgi's
[01:19] <jesuel> did i mention, i hate solaris.... :)
[01:19] <ritalin> My only nix experince is fbsd and gentoo
[01:19] <thoreauputic> jimarko: I assume there's a bit of South African influence at the top ;)
[01:19] <ritalin> OS X if you wanna count that as a nix
[01:19] <jimarko> its cool tho, it gave me the first impression of 'hippy'
[01:19] <jesuel> osx is kinda interesting.
[01:20] <thoreauputic> ritalin: it sort of is - buried rather deep though
[01:20] <jesuel> I dont think ill ever have a computer with it though.
[01:20] <jimarko> lol, osx + LDAP + active directory + high server load = high blood pressure
[01:20] <ritalin> I just really like gnome is why im switching
[01:20] <jesuel> I really like gnome too :)
[01:20] <ritalin> gnome keeps getting better and better
[01:20] <thoreauputic> jesuel: I run it in mac-on-linux for windows media ( irony!)
[01:21] <jesuel> As long as your computer is fast enough to handle all the eyecandy.
[01:21] <jesuel> thoreauputic: ....
[01:21] <jimarko> Hey are there any Ubuntu Doom3'ers here? PM me if ya are, i wanna chat about a couple of issues (plz)
[01:21] <thoreauputic> linux is much snappier on ppc than mac OS-X
[01:21] <CosaNostra> Somebody here willing to help me with installing soundcard drivers..?
[01:21] <jimarko> thoreauputic: I whacked Yellow Dog on a mac, and it runs sweet
[01:22] <ritalin> CosaNostra: im not expert but you should just ask, not ask to ask
[01:22] <jesuel> I gotta see ubuntu-ppc one of these days
[01:22] <jesuel> ubuntu on a athlon 64 is very fast.
[01:22] <ritalin> anything on athlon 64 is
[01:22] <ritalin> uber arch
[01:22] <thoreauputic> jimarko: yes, ubuntu ppc is impressive too (haven't used yellow dog)
[01:22] <jesuel> Heck my machine feels faster than my dual sparc desktop at work.
[01:22] <jimarko> I want a fast NVidia card, cos ATI UT2004 linux is giving me hell
[01:23] <ritalin> 6800
[01:23] <jesuel> i play ati ut2004 linux
[01:23] <jesuel> shrug, works fine
[01:23] <jimarko> Yeh? really
[01:23] <jimarko> what drivers do you use?
[01:23] <jesuel> standard fglrx
[01:23] <jesuel> im in hoary.
[01:23] <jimarko> oh
[01:23] <ritalin> you hoar
[01:23] <ritalin> :P
[01:24] <jesuel> Im getting nice framerates with everything turned up max tooo
[01:24] <jesuel> mind you this is a laptop :)
[01:24] <jimarko> hrm.. i use the standard fglrx drivers, and yeh, frame-rate is good, just choppy. All my other games (NWN, q3, ET, stepmania, doom3, etc) all run sweet, but its only UT2004 that has the choppiness problem
[01:24] <ritalin> thoreauputic: did ubuntu  congif x11 for a lcd and power manage etc etc
[01:25] <ritalin> did it handle all the laptop specific issues is what im asking
[01:25] <jesuel> q3 i get no sound. Ive never played et. Dont know what stepmania is. Doom3, never played it yet.
[01:25] <thoreauputic> ritalin: not suspend/sleep
[01:25] <jimarko> it used to run sweet on win32, but on linux (FC3, Ubuntu) it ran bad
[01:25] <ritalin> ahh
[01:25] <ritalin> Do your sound buttons work in linux?
[01:25] <thoreauputic> ritalin: the modem is unsupported as well
[01:26] <jimarko> q3 is probably a /dev/dsp permissions problem. just add yourself to the 'audio' group using usermod
[01:26] <thoreauputic> sound buttons are fine
[01:26] <A-L-P-H-A> can someone tell me how to update firefox to version 1.01?  As it's not listed in the software updates.
[01:26] <jesuel> jimarko: have you patched ut2004?
[01:26] <jimarko> 3355?
[01:26] <jimarko> (at least i think thats the patchlevel im on)
[01:26] <jesuel> jimarko: IT freez's when i connect to a server if i have sound enabled
[01:27] <jesuel> heck if i know, its the latest patch they put out.
[01:27] <jimarko> jesuel: yeh, i updated a couple of days back
[01:27] <jesuel> not that i need sound for q3. :)
[01:27] <jimarko> lol, 1337
[01:27] <jimarko> heeh
[01:27] <jesuel> I just play instagib on q3dm17
[01:27] <jesuel> all i need to do is barely see you and youre dead
[01:28] <jimarko> my fave map ATM is Deck17 on ut2004. Ah, nostalgia
[01:28] <jesuel> Ah, i just started playing ut2004
[01:28] <jesuel> never played ut2003 or the original ut much.
[01:29] <jimarko> so with UT2004, did you install and custom updates or libraries to get it cranking well? (such as any custom openAL drivers)
[01:29] <jesuel> nope
[01:29] <jimarko> I hardly played ut, except for CTF-face.
[01:29] <jimarko> ok, could ya give us a rundown of your sys specs
[01:30] <jimarko> MSI K7N2G MB, Athlon XP 1800+, 512 DDR400 SDRAM, ATI 9800 PRO 128MB, SB LIVE! emk10k1, 120 GB Western Digital
[01:30] <jimarko> theres mine
[01:32] <jesuel> jimarko: amd64 3200+, laptop mobo, 1gb ddr 400 ram, ati radeon 9700 mobility 128mb, onboard sound via82xxx, 60gb 7200 rpn hitachi laptop drive :)
[01:32] <jimarko> ah, amd64
[01:32] <jimarko> that could have something to do with it
[01:32] <jesuel> basically, a smoking laptop
[01:32] <jimarko> yeh, its a fair beast ;)
[01:32] <jesuel> all under 6 pounds with over 3 hours battery life.
[01:33] <jimarko> hot on the legs?
[01:33] <jesuel> not at all.
[01:33] <jesuel> ive done some mod's to it though.
[01:33] <jesuel> Its where I want it for a laptop
[01:33] <jesuel> very damm fast.
[01:34] <tapia> hi
[01:34] <jimarko> yeh, laptop are known for they're suckiness, but this sounds nuts
[01:34] <jimarko> positively nuts
[01:34] <tapia> is there any chance to use nptl with ubuntu or debian?
[01:34] <jesuel> Shrug, some laptops are decent.
[01:35] <jesuel> I got more to do it though
[01:35] <jimarko> thats cool tho
[01:36] <jesuel> Im taking out the touchscreen, Adding a second hd to it. and adding one of those eraser type clickers from a ibm laptop
[01:36] <jesuel> Just barely enough room to do it. :)
[01:36] <jimarko> cool! so what kinda work do you do on it? you a dev, or a multimedia dude, or ...?
[01:37] <jesuel> network admin @ work
[01:37] <jesuel> this is just my toy :)
[01:37] <jimarko> nice :D
[01:37] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[01:38] <jesuel> 'lo da_bon_bon
[01:38] <jimarko> yeh, i'm shooting for a multimedia/games/GFX editing box, so its been a mission to get any distro to play how i want
[01:38] <jesuel> Oh I do some audio stuff, some gfx and games
[01:38] <jesuel> but its not my primary focus.
[01:38] <jimarko> but Ubuntu has got the closest
[01:38] <da_bon_bon> jesuel: hiya
[01:38] <jesuel> just keep working at it.
[01:39] <jesuel> mmm good song.
[01:39] <jesuel> this song pisses the neighbors off when I play it loud in the truck in the mornings. :)
[01:39] <da_bon_bon> whats better ? gparted or qtparted ?
[01:39] <jimarko> yeh, i've got my primary apps going, but things like GIMP aren't at the cutting edge of the release levels, cos i'm still trying to get my mind around .debs and updating them without removing other vital components
[01:40] <jesuel> jimarko: takes time. :)
[01:40] <jimarko> yeh it does. I found it strange that if i was to update gimp, synaptic was keen to remove 'ubuntu-desktop'.. *scratches head*
[01:40] <jesuel> like i busted my head against my laptop for a day or so, trying to get the vpn client included with ubuntu to work with my work system.
[01:41] <jesuel> IT should have worked. but no..
[01:41] <jesuel> jimarko: thats mean of synaptic
[01:41] <jimarko> lol
[01:41] <jimarko> i tried a 'dpkg --force-all gimp.x.deb' but nup, no good
[01:42] <jimarko> its all good, im ok with working on an older version of gimp
[01:42] <iSuperman> is there anyway to get dvdbackup to show progress??
[01:42] <jimarko> for now ;)
[01:42] <thoreauputic> ubuntu-desktop is a meta-package - removing hurts nothing
[01:43] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: whats a meta package ?
[01:43] <jimarko> ah ok. I just don't wanna bork my install, as its a finely crafted beast
[01:43] <jimarko> da_bon_bon: dummy package to resolve obsolete dependancies
[01:43] <thoreauputic> it just depends on a bunch of other stuff - pulls in dependencies
[01:43] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: something like kubuntu-desktop ?
[01:44] <jimarko> i think libxine is a meta
[01:44] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: I guess - apt-cache show kubuntu-desktop would tell you
[01:45] <blackstar> i am sure that you guys are familiar with how some people are able to have their terminal integrated as part of their desktop - meaning that terminal is fixed to the desktop as though it were a background...how do i do this
[01:45] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: no, i am telling u. acc. to ur desc. kubuntu-desktop is a meat-package
[01:45] <da_bon_bon> meta
[01:45] <jimarko> hey, what kinda burning apps do you guys use on ubuntu?
[01:45] <jesuel> mmm meat package
[01:45] <jimarko> blackstar: I dunno, but its cool :D
[01:45] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: OK ... LOL ....
[01:45] <jesuel> im hungry.
[01:45] <da_bon_bon> jimarko: graveman, gnome-baker, k3b
[01:46] <jesuel> gnome-baker here
[01:46] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: I have no actual interest in kubuntu, but a meat package sounds good right now ;)
[01:46] <blackstar> thnks jimarko...its really cool - i would love to get it running - i have read and found nothing - but the answer is out there somewhere
[01:46] <jimarko> *googles gnome-baker*
[01:46] <jesuel> thoreauputic: definitely a meat package sounds tasty
[01:47] <jimarko> i should be able to 'apt-get install gnome-baker' right?
[01:47] <SiRrUs> jimarko you can graveman
[01:48] <da_bon_bon> jimarko: gnome-baker is not in repos
[01:48] <thoreauputic> jimarko: probably not - are you on hoary?
[01:48] <jimarko> nah, warty
[01:48] <da_bon_bon> jimarko: get the deb from the home page
[01:48] <jimarko> aight
[01:48] <jimarko> thx guys :D
[01:48] <thoreauputic> jimarko: I'll give you a link for warty - hold on
[01:49] <error_29> What about the built-in cd burner in nautilus?  that seemed to work for me when graveman wouldn't
[01:49] <jimarko> got it!
[01:49] <thoreauputic> jimarko: http://people.debian.org/~goedson/packages/ubuntu/warty/
[01:49] <jimarko> :-D
[01:49] <thoreauputic> ah - too slow :)
[01:49] <jimarko> lol, thx tho
[01:49] <thoreauputic> error_29: it's fine for data
[01:49] <InitMass> which is the best burning program? many say k3b but is it the best even if you are a gnome user?
[01:50] <thoreauputic> InitMass: yes, k3b is very good
[01:50] <error_29> thoreauputic, if I want to add just one package from an outside repository, how do I do that without adding the whole repo to my list...?
[01:51] <jimarko> i used k3b in Fed c3, but as there is no KDE enviro in warty, i thought i'd try a native gnome app
[01:51] <Neil3> i'm also looking for a decent gtk cd burning app
[01:51] <thoreauputic> error_29: you can download it and use sudo dpkg -i , but be aware of the possible problems
[01:51] <Neil3> at the moment nautilus is ok but i want to do audio too
[01:51] <da_bon_bon> jimarko: just do apt-get install k3b.
[01:51] <InitMass> jimarko, Neil3, which program do you use now?
[01:52] <SiRrUs> Neil3 gnomebaker or graveman
[01:52] <error_29> thanks thoreauputic
[01:52] <jimarko> InitMass: I've only just moved over to Ubuntu, so the need for burning hasn't come up yet, but i used to use k3b
[01:52] <thoreauputic> error_29: using an outside repo can break things, or be a dependency hell
[01:52] <Neil3> i have tried gnome baker it crashes when i try and browse dirs within it
[01:53] <Neil3> graveman doesnt see my cdrw drive
[01:53] <Neil3> might have to bite the bullet and go for k3b
[01:53] <jimarko> da_bon_bon: do i need to set up any extra repos for k3b?
[01:53] <da_bon_bon> Neil3: graveman is foolish as in checks for device everry startup - jsut add devices manually and u r done
[01:53] <jesuel> blackstar: That feature youre talking about. I know what you speak of. Im just trying to remember what i did to make that happen
[01:53] <da_bon_bon> jimarko: enabled universe / multiverse ?
[01:53] <error_29> well, thoreauputic , that's what I mean -- I was just wondering if I could snag just one app without exposing the rest of my apps to nasty "upgrades" from the wrong repos...
[01:54] <thoreauputic> Neil3: xcdroast works here, but it's a bit "old" (gtk 1.2) and rather unintuitive
[01:54] <InitMass> is gnomebaker the default app that comes with gnome?
[01:54] <blackstar> jesuel: that would be nice if you could help
[01:54] <Neil3> yeah i couldnt get xcdroast to recognise my drive either :/
[01:54] <Neil3> gonna try k3b
[01:54] <Neil3> nautilus burns stuff no problems, isos etc
[01:54] <error_29> graveman refused to burn anything in hoary for me
[01:54] <jimarko> da_bon_bon: er.. how.. :(
[01:54] <thoreauputic> error_29: it depends on whether that package is depending on stuff you can't get or don't have
[01:55] <error_29> right, thoreauputic ...thnx
[01:55] <da_bon_bon> jimarko: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:55] <thoreauputic> error_29: dpkg will just refuse to configure it if it has unmet dependencies
[01:55] <gdh> Hm, just tried hoary for the first time - all very pleasant :) I have a small prob with trying to add a Launcher to the Applications menu (which I can do with GNOME2.8 in normal Debian)..
[01:55] <SiRrUs> and graveman seems to work great for me
[01:55] <jesuel> blackstar: it was some sort of -no-root option for rxvt i believe. You had to set the exact position on screen with x - y coordinates and size. and it would look embedded
[01:55] <gdh> Usually, I can right click on the menu group, Entire Menu -> Add a Launcher to this menu
[01:55] <gdh> but that option isn't present... is there something I can do to make it return?
[01:56] <InitMass> gnomebaker doesn't seem to be in warty
[01:56] <da_bon_bon> InitMass: it is not
[01:56] <jesuel> its in hoary
[01:56] <InitMass> and not graveman either
[01:57] <da_bon_bon> InitMass: graveman is in hoary
[01:57] <jimarko> da_bon_bon: OMG! U just showed me how to get at alllll this software :D w00t!! thanks dude
[01:57] <aracataca> hi to everybody!
[01:57] <jimarko> lol
[01:57] <blackstar> jesule: oh i see...ow do i go about setting this feature up...a headstart in the right direction iwould be good
[01:57] <InitMass> da_bon_bon, do you know when they release hoary as stable?
[01:57] <jimarko> aracataca: hey hey :D
[01:57] <da_bon_bon> jimarko: w00t ! and then add some more - marillat for instance
[01:57] <error_29> gdh, if you find out anything about how users can get more control over those menus, a lot of people I think will be grateful!
[01:57] <aracataca> hey hey, haha
[01:58] <da_bon_bon> InitMass: april. but preview is out and is more stable than my warty
[01:58] <blackstar> jesuel: in the meantime i will be reading about it
[01:58] <jesuel> marilat :)
[01:58] <thoreauputic> InitMass: if you want gnomebaker for warty, go here >> http://people.debian.org/~goedson/packages/ubuntu/warty/
[01:58] <aracataca> i'm always here with high hopes....
[01:58] <gdh> error_29: Ah, I'll take that as a 'no' then :( It's weird since I can do it fine with 2.8 on sarge :(
[01:58] <da_bon_bon> jimarko: apt-get update && apt-get install k3b
[01:58] <jimarko> yeh, ive got wine and marilat, but only cos of fluke
[01:58] <da_bon_bon> jimarko: oh ok.
[01:58] <gdh> Might pop a Q on the mailing list...
[01:59] <aracataca> this time: the ubuntu 4.1 installation, does it enable me to search for available wlan-networks, or do i have to get any apps?
[01:59] <aracataca> *and thanks for the answers, its quite important...
[01:59] <jimarko> and my ability to follow guides :D the .deb system is very new to me, as im previously well versed in RPM-based or source-based distros
[01:59] <error_29> gdh, they call it a custom menu, but I have no idea how anyone's supposed to customize it
[01:59] <InitMass> thoreauputic, da_bon_bon, i can wait for hoary and then install it. i don't want an unstable system
[02:00] <gdh> error_29: Yeh I saw that, and I've thought of using  a drawer, but they seem like nasty hacks... I should be able to add Non-Ubuntu-Installed apps on the Applications menu :)
[02:00] <thoreauputic> InitMass: not long to wait :)
[02:00] <bretzel> Wow! Hoary preview is released ... but I don't think I am gonna install the official release because my arry-5 install is quite stable and I did so much work to make it of my tastes
[02:00] <gdh> That's nearly as bad as this 'Trusted Computing' MS nonsense :)
[02:00] <Gfault> How custom ubuntu-live for rename ubuntu name ?
[02:01] <jimarko> hrm, it wants to install arts for K3B... that won't bork my carefully balanced ALSA/OSS system will it?
[02:01] <InitMass> thoreauputic, yes, i know :) what's the biggest changes and upgrades in hoary compared to warty?
[02:01] <error_29> yeah, gdh, I agree with you.  And adding stuff to the panels can be a tedious process.
[02:01] <ritalin> my experince with arts is evil
[02:01] <_d4vid> hi all
[02:01] <jimarko> ritalin: indeed.
[02:01] <jimarko> hey _d4vid
[02:01] <ritalin> _d4vid: hi
[02:01] <thoreauputic> InitMass: I don't really know - i'm on warty too
[02:01] <gdh> error_29: I'm mainly a KDE whore who's just looking to see if the grass is greener...
[02:02] <gdh> error_29: And I miss KMenuEdit already :)
[02:02] <error_29> kde's menus and kicker are much much better than gnome panels, in my opinion.
[02:02] <thoreauputic> gdh: you sound like a candidate for kubuntu :)
[02:02] <ggeecko> how do I change my computer's name??
[02:02] <jimarko> gdh, error_29, no automounts :D lol
[02:02] <gdh> thoreauputic: Oooh that exists as a project?
[02:02] <gdh> or just a funny pun? :)
[02:03] <goldfish> ggeecko: base-config i thnk
[02:03] <thoreauputic> gdh: sure, read the /topic :)
[02:03] <iSuperman> how do I get color syntax highlighting in gnome-terminal......all i get at the moment is green......I think it's an environment variable from memory...?
[02:03] <error_29> gdh, in warty, I had great success using the kicker as an extra menu bar, and the "windows logo" key actually worked!
[02:03] <gdh> heh
[02:03] <thoreauputic> oops, it isn't in the topic anymore!
[02:03] <da_bon_bon> error_29: it works in gnome too
[02:03] <error_29> but I think that kicker got altered so that doesn't work with hoary now...
[02:03] <thoreauputic> gdh: sorry
[02:03] <InitMass> can nautilus burn DVD too?
[02:04] <da_bon_bon> InitMass: nautilus burner SUCKS!
[02:04] <InitMass> da_bon_bon, in what way?
[02:04] <error_29> da_bon_bon, , that's what I meant, in gnome
[02:04] <bretzel> gdh: I was a KDE only user, but for a reason I can't completly say, I feel better in GNOME even if I am a C++ programer and knows KDE is strongly developed from C++'sQT engine, and GNOME is GTK evil function naming prototypes convention - I hate to type a complete paragraph  just to call a function...
[02:04] <gdh> any built-in disc burner is going to suck :)
[02:04] <error_29> but kicker is really flaky now; I'm thinking this kubuntu business has messed it up for me...
[02:05] <gdh> does the nautilus one still make a temporary ISO first?
[02:05] <jimarko> hey pplz, i'm outta here, sleep calls :D but thx for your help, and i'll be back soon :D
[02:05] <da_bon_bon> InitMass: no customizability, very limited
[02:05] <thoreauputic> gdh: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Kubuntu
[02:06] <error_29> Damn, I'm late for work!  bye folks!
[02:06] <gdh> bretzel: I dunno, KDE seems to have far too many options.. GNOME has perhaps too few...
[02:06] <gdh> bretzel: As if someone who knows better than you has already picked the perfect settings. Why would you possibly want to change?
[02:06] <gdh> thoreauputic: Thanks for that :)
[02:07] <CosaNostra> Someone knows what's the problem if i get sounds, when i send a message and click something...but don't get any music from cd..when i try to play a cd..
[02:07] <thoreauputic> gdh: heh - thought I'd better find it after my mistake over /topic ;-)
[02:07] <ggeecko> goldfish: thx that was it
[02:07] <ritalin> well instrall time
[02:07] <ritalin> hopefully next time we chat im running ubuntu
[02:07] <thoreauputic> gdh: it was in the topic a day or two ago
[02:08] <gdh> ah, this is my first time here :)
[02:08] <jesuel> gluck ritalin
[02:08] <CosaNostra> Can somebody help me out with this?
[02:08] <gdh> only downloaded the installer an hour ago. My fiancee is nearly completely sick of Windows.. so I thought I would do some preparatory work :)
[02:09] <jesuel> :)
[02:09] <jesuel> dont blame them.
[02:10] <gdh> you shouldn't *need* to run Anti-virus, anti-spyware crap all the time :(
[02:10] <jesuel> if you run windows you better. :)
[02:10] <gdh> don't I know it :/
[02:10] <CosaNostra> Nobody here knows anything about playing music problems?
[02:11] <thoreauputic> gdh: you want Symantec to go out of business ?  *grin*
[02:11] <gdh> thoreauputic: Oh, as if! :)
[02:11] <Burgundavia> CosaNostra: try running multimedia-properties
[02:11] <Burgundavia> CosaNostra: and see if it is set to esound
[02:11] <jesuel> thoreauputic: i do. I hate symantec
[02:12] <gdh> thoreauputic: <conspiracy theory about the major AV and Anti-spam vendors running their own botnets to perpetuate their businesses>
[02:12] <bretzel> gdh, speaking GUI user , I feel better in GNOME... yet KDE has lots of options, that is why KDE-3.4 is also installed :-) :-) 8-);)
[02:12] <jesuel> yuck kde
[02:12] <thoreauputic> I think it's hilarious that there's a whole industry devoted to curing the design faults of Windows....
[02:12] <gdh> bretzel: I decided to give Ubuntu a try because I felt everything would be might tighter than just sarge and apt-get install gnome...
[02:13] <Burgundavia> CosaNostra: make that gstreamer-properties
[02:13] <gdh> Is it really that much different?
[02:13] <jesuel> gdh: imho it is
[02:13] <CosaNostra> I'm a bit of a noob in linux..
[02:13] <jesuel> gdh: ubuntu is very nicely intergrated imho
[02:13] <johso> hmm, I can't run a perl program I have - it appears that a Tk.pm is missing?
[02:13] <gdh> is it possible / advised to use sid/sarge packages in hoary?
[02:14] <gdh> johso: is there a 'libtk-perl' ?
[02:14] <thoreauputic> gdh: not hugely different, but Ubuntu made my sound "just work" on this machine, after much fiddling with Alsa on Debian
[02:14] <thoreauputic> gdh: don't use debian packages
[02:14] <missmarple> does anyone of u know what happened to ubuntuusers.de ? it seems as if their database crashed
[02:15] <gdh> thoreauputic: OKie :)
[02:15] <thoreauputic> gdh: essentially everything is available from the universe repository i Ubuntu
[02:15] <gdh> universe is 'sarge/sid compiled against Ubuntu libraries' yes?
[02:15] <thoreauputic> gdh: just edit your /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:15] <Fator_Dee> cool, ubuntu is automagically able to mount a compactflash card from my computers frontpanel slot \o/
[02:16] <CosaNostra> In Volume control everything is up..
[02:16] <johso> gdh: hmm, does not look like it...
[02:16] <olafura> gdh: plus ubuntu-patches
[02:17] <SiRrUs> CosaNostra what are you using to play the cd
[02:17] <Radu_> hello
[02:17] <thoreauputic> gdh: "multiverse" is kind of like "debian non-free"
[02:17] <CosaNostra> Standard CD Player
[02:17] <bretzel> jesuel: :)
[02:17] <SiRrUs> what software
[02:17] <gdh> johso: perl-tk is in Debian... I expect you can get it from Universe
[02:18] <Radu_> anyone have any idea why #ubuntu-ro doesnt work?
[02:18] <CosaNostra> Don't have any software installed..
[02:18] <thoreauputic> CosaNostra: you almost certainly need digital output
[02:18] <gdh> thoreauputic: Interesting :) lots of new terminology to deal with...
[02:18] <SiRrUs> you will need software I think to play the cd player
[02:18] <thoreauputic> CosaNostra: beep-medi-player or xmms can do digital
[02:18] <jesuel> hows it going bretzel.
[02:18] <GNAM> HOARY preview R U L E Z
[02:18] <jesuel> GNAM: that it does
[02:18] <thoreauputic> *beep-media-player
[02:18] <johso> gdh: I'm not able to apt-get it, it 'has no installation candidate'
[02:19] <CosaNostra> So...if i understand right, the cd player can't read my cd or something?
[02:19] <thoreauputic> CosaNostra: no, more likely your machine has no connection from the CD-ROM to sound card
[02:19] <thoreauputic> CosaNostra: increasingly common
[02:19] <gdh> johso: I'm really new to this, I don't know what to suggest for you :)
[02:20] <CosaNostra> Oh..
[02:20] <johso> gdh: well, fair enough ;)
[02:20] <bretzel> GNAM: are  you actually running PREVIEW ?
[02:20] <CosaNostra> So..if i install xmms...it "should" work?
[02:20] <jesuel> CosaNostra: you just need a cd audio cable from your cdrom to your sound card.
[02:20] <thoreauputic> CosaNostra: if you configure the cd audio plugin for digital, yes
[02:20] <jesuel> or that
[02:21] <damripp> how do i  go about setting up a external modem in ubuntu?
[02:21] <CosaNostra> Oh...i think..we have a misunderstanding....i play it in the cdrom player..
[02:21] <thoreauputic> jesuel: your way is neater, but not so easy for people who don't know how :)
[02:21] <darmou> if you accidently stuff up your fstab is there a way to remount the drive to overide the fstab settings?
[02:21] <a-l-p-h-a_2> where are the binaries for Firefox installed?  I wish to replace them with the newest version.
[02:21] <missmarple> any hotpluggin experts here?
[02:22] <thoreauputic> darmou: sudo mount /dev/foo /mnt/yourdirectory
[02:22] <darmou> ahh but says /dev/hda4 is already mounted on /
[02:23] <jesuel> a-l-p-h-a_2, you can just type: which firefox in your terminal to find where the binaries are located.
[02:23] <thoreauputic> a-l-p-h-a_2: wrong approach
[02:23] <darmou> I do umount /devhda4
[02:23] <gdh> darmou: you might want to try -o remount
[02:23] <jesuel> but i wouldnt just replace them :)
[02:23] <spenser> I have burned hoary twice and warty twice and with all 4 cd's i get the error "debootstrap - failed to retrieve debconf" and says that it's a possible bad cd or network connection. my burner never makes coasters much less 4 in a row, so i'm thinking it must be something else with the machine. anyone else seen this?
[02:23] <a-l-p-h-a_2> jesuel, thoreauputic, how do I go about it?
[02:23] <darmou> but same problem if I try to mount it ok what is the remount command that will overide the fstab?
[02:24] <GNAM> can i use hoary-installer only to reinstall GRUB on the MBR?
[02:24] <jesuel> spenser: did you check the md5sums after you downloaded?
[02:24] <spenser> jesper_:  yes
[02:24] <spenser> jesper_:  i might try to install it in vmware on another machine tonight to test the cd's, but i think they are fine.
[02:24] <a-l-p-h-a_2> I've gone and downloaded the binary installer for Firefox 1.01, but I don't know where to install it to overwrite the old one.  Or should I just uninstall, and install the new one where I want?
[02:25] <thoreauputic> a-l-p-h-a_2: you can get the binary from mozilla.org and install it in, for instance, your home directory - then link it from say /usr/local if you wish
[02:25] <jesper_> Hi.
[02:25] <CosaNostra> Seeya
[02:25] <spenser> gotta run to work.
[02:25] <spenser> bbl
[02:25] <thoreauputic> a-l-p-h-a_2: you don't need to uninstall the old one
[02:25] <a-l-p-h-a_2> thoreauputic, won't the clutter my system then?
[02:26] <thoreauputic> well, a few megabytes extra, yes
[02:26] <thoreauputic> a-l-p-h-a_2
[02:26] <thoreauputic> a-l-p-h-a_2: if you're concerned about conflicts, move the .mozilla directory
[02:27] <thoreauputic> ~/.mozilla
[02:27] <thoreauputic> eg mv .mozilla .mozilla.old
[02:27] <a-l-p-h-a_2> well, I just installed it under ~/firefox-installer... [not where I want, but fine...]  now when I start it, it still says version 0.9.3...
[02:27] <bretzel> ciao all, gotta run to work too
[02:28] <a-l-p-h-a_2> thoreauputic, I'll try that
[02:28] <thoreauputic> a-l-p-h-a_2: because it's still calling /usr/bin/firefox
[02:28] <lifeless> away
[02:29] <thoreauputic> a-l-p-h-a_2: either make a link in your PATH, or give the full path to the new one
[02:29] <a-l-p-h-a_2> thoreauputic, sorry, this is my first 1hr of using linux, in a very very long time.  I'm pretty much a newb with this.
[02:29] <thoreauputic> a-l-p-h-a_2: that's Ok
[02:29] <thoreauputic> a-l-p-h-a_2: BTW your nick is *very* annoying for tab completion
[02:30] <GNAM> auauau
[02:30] <a-l-p-h-a_2> I'll kill my other account...
[02:30] <olafura> a-l-p-h-a_2:Why do you want the latest one hasn't hoary a resent enough?
[02:30] <a-l-p-h-a_2> autocomplete should be easier now.
[02:30] <damripp> how do i  gp about installing  a VNC viewer?
[02:30] <thoreauputic> olafura: sounds like he's on warty
[02:31] <thoreauputic> a-l-p-h-a_2: thanks :)
[02:31] <a-l-p-h-a_2> thoreauputic, so I've sudo unlink firefox from /usr/bin now, I should probably move the firefox binaries somewhere other than ~/firefox-installer
[02:31] <thoreauputic> damripp: it's installed by default
[02:31] <gdh> damripp: You don't have Applications -> Internet -> Terminal Server Client ?
[02:32] <gdh> damripp: (see the 'Protocol' drop-down in that...)
[02:32] <damripp> oh cheers!!!
[02:32] <gdh> I'd assumed it was rdesktop only as well until I looked :)
[02:32] <thoreauputic> a-l-p-h-a_2: not necessary if you make a symlink from /usr/local/bin/firefox
[02:33] <Gfault> How custom ubuntu-live for rename ubuntu name ?
[02:35] <a-l-p-h-a_2> thoreauputic, sudo link firefox /home/alpha/firefox-installer/firefox ? from /usr/local/bin?
[02:35] <gdh> Does anyone else find GNOME's "fonts:///" location really shit? :) It lets you drag anything in, but a) puts them in ~/.fonts even if you're root  b) gives no indication anything happened c) no facility to install them system-wide...
[02:35] <thoreauputic> a-l-p-h-a_2:  ln -s /home/user/firefox-installer/firefox  /usr/local/bin/firefox
[02:35] <thoreauputic> yes, sudo will be needed
[02:36] <jason> anyone know how to get the hostap kernel modules installed?
[02:36] <jdub> gdh: apart from (b), that is its intended functionality
[02:36] <a-l-p-h-a_2> thoreauputic, link: cannot create link `/home/alpha/firefox-installer/firefox' to `firefox': No such file or directory
[02:36] <thoreauputic> a-l-p-h-a_2: you should find ` echo $PATH` will show /usr/local/bin first in your PATH
[02:36] <jdub> gdh: there is an update problem that stops you seeing changes as they're made
[02:37] <jdub> gdh: it is not intended to manage system fonts at all
[02:37] <thoreauputic> a-l-p-h-a_2: you need the full path
[02:37] <gdh> jdub: OK.. but it's intentional that for sys-wide you must copy .ttf to /usr/share/fonts
[02:37] <R0bNyc> Anyone here runs windows apps in LInux
[02:37] <jdub> yes
[02:37] <thoreauputic> to firefox in /usr/local/bin
[02:37] <a-l-p-h-a_2> oh
[02:37] <gdh> jdub: Ah, OK.. seems less than desirable :/
[02:38] <a-l-p-h-a_2> link: cannot create link `/home/alpha/firefox-installer/firefox' to `/usr/local/bin/firefox': No such file or directory
[02:38] <a-l-p-h-a_2>  still that issue
[02:38] <thoreauputic> a-l-p-h-a_2: ah, you wer in /usr/local/bin already??
[02:38] <olafura> then sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.old sudo sed "s/warty/hoary/g" /etc/apt/sources.list > sources.list; sudo mv sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox; sudo mv /etc/apt/sources.old /etc/apt/sources.list; sudo apt-get update
[02:38] <a-l-p-h-a_2> thoreauputic, yes
[02:38] <jdub> gdh: it handles the common case really nicely; it could provide a "install as system font" feature, but it hasn't been written yet. changesets accepted. :)
[02:38] <a-l-p-h-a_2> I've unlinked it already I believe.
[02:38] <gdh> jdub: Hehe as per normal =)
[02:39] <jdub> gdh: yes, of course, that's how software development works
[02:39] <olafura> a-l-p-h-a_2: This should work to install firefox from hoary
[02:39] <gdh> jdub: I wasn't clear on whether it was a policy decision to simply not deal with system-wide fonts or merely that that part hadn't been implemented...
[02:40] <jdub> gdh: most sensible features are acceptable if designed well
[02:40] <thoreauputic> a-l-p-h-a_2: hmm... well I don't see the problem with the syntax, unless maybe your installation is in a subdirectory?
[02:41] <thoreauputic> a-l-p-h-a_2: does /usr/local/bin exist on your system?
[02:41] <a-l-p-h-a_2> thoreauputic, yes
[02:42] <gdh> jdub: That's very Zen of you :)
[02:42] <thoreauputic> a-l-p-h-a_2: hmm - well as a stopgap you could make a launcher with the full path, but linking should work
[02:42] <a-l-p-h-a_2> when I type ~/firefox-installer/firefox it loads up firefox.
[02:42] <thoreauputic> a-l-p-h-a_2: as you'd expect :)
[02:42] <jdub> gdh: heh. designing usable user interfaces is pretty zen-o-rific at the best of times. :)
[02:43] <a-l-p-h-a_2> thoreauputic, I'd hope so at least. :)
[02:43] <thoreauputic> a-l-p-h-a_2: indeed
[02:43] <thoreauputic> :)
[02:43] <a-l-p-h-a_2> this is what I typed:
[02:43] <a-l-p-h-a_2> sudo link /usr/local/bin/firefox /home/alpha/firefox-installer/firefox
[02:43] <thoreauputic> no
[02:44] <thoreauputic> sudo ln -s /home/alpha/firefox-installer/firefox  /usr/local/bin/firefox
[02:44] <a-l-p-h-a_2> oh.
[02:44] <thoreauputic> a-l-p-h-a_2: target first
[02:44] <Slaven> I've recompiled PHP with mysql support and it still doesn't recognize the function mysql_connect! >:(
[02:44] <thoreauputic> and ln -s for a symlink
[02:44] <a-l-p-h-a_2> 'ight... I'll try that.
[02:45] <a-l-p-h-a_2> thoreauputic, THANK YOU!
[02:45] <thoreauputic> no worries :)
[02:45] <a-l-p-h-a_2> works perfectly now. :)
[02:45] <thoreauputic> as I expected ;)
[02:46] <a-l-p-h-a_2> k, I'll give linux a few days to allow it to settle into my system, and then I'll wipe my windows drive. :)
[02:46] <thoreauputic> a-l-p-h-a_2: have a look at http://ubuntuguide.org
[02:55] <ACID|net> hey, i was just wondering what an MIS system is.....anyone know??
[02:56] <EvilSven> hi
[02:56] <_ale> why i can't make my terminal use iso-8859-1 encoding?
[02:56] <_ale> i changes it back to utf-8 everytime i open a new terminal
[02:57] <thoreauputic> ACID|net: management information services?
[02:57] <EvilSven> How do I turn off controlling the mouse with my num pad, I accidently turned it on with xf86cfg?
[02:57] <ACID|net> thoreauputic: Possibly
[02:58] <thoreauputic> ACID|net: so saith google for acronym+MIS, anyway
[02:58] <ACID|net> acronym+ <-- nice :)
[02:58] <erlend> hey
[02:59] <thoreauputic> ACID|net: or managed internet services
[02:59] <ACID|net> hmmm
[02:59] <erlend> i have problem with hoary.. why is it that i cant enable "windows networking" in hoary when it is a perfectly available option in wartt
[02:59] <erlend> warty
[02:59] <erlend> i mean through the gnome network options
[03:00] <ACID|net> To support existing MIS and operational systems (MS Access, SQL Server)
[03:00] <thoreauputic> haha - JAVA "just another vague acronym" :)
[03:00] <smo> after upgrading to hoary LVM sees no physical volumes .. they're still there if I reboot to warty.  any clues where I start looking?
[03:01] <thoreauputic> erlend: maybe you should install samba ?
[03:01] <thoreauputic> missmarple: what's the trouble?
[03:02] <missmarple>  thoreauputic: still the same as yesterday :-/ wifi firmware still doesnt load if notebook runs on battery
[03:02] <thoreauputic> ah...
[03:02] <erlend> thoreauputic, of course, i have installed it. but the option to enable windows networking in gnome, doesn't exist in hoary obviously
[03:02] <missmarple> this is really drivin me crazy
[03:04] <thoreauputic> missmarple: power management issue, maybe? I don't know much about it... apm?
[03:04] <missmarple>  thoreauputic: i think it has something to do with ACPI
[03:04] <thoreauputic> OK
[03:04] <missmarple>  thoreauputic: but i have no clue where to look for what to fix it
[03:05] <thoreauputic> missmarple: have you tried in grub's menu.lst,   noacpi ? (something like that on the kernel line, from memory)
[03:06] <missmarple> i tried it with acpi=off but that didnt help
[03:06] <thoreauputic> missmarple: I think that's where you disable it, anyway
[03:06] <missmarple> mhh let me check that noacpi thingy
[03:07] <missmarple> altough a notebook without powermanagement is not that nice ;-/
[03:07] <EndGame> hippies!
[03:07] <thoreauputic> pci=noacpi  maybe ? (just googled grub+noacpi+linux)
[03:08] <thoreauputic> missmarple: if I remember correctly, apm can substitute for some functions
[03:08] <crypticreign> desktop background properties dialog freezes
[03:08] <crypticreign> on warty
[03:08] <missmarple> my kernel doesnt have apm support - so i would have to build one my own
[03:09] <thoreauputic> missmarple: have you searched the forums? I just found something similar
[03:09] <thoreauputic> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-2620.html
[03:10] <missmarple> mhh let me check
[03:11] <thoreauputic> kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.8.1-3-386 root=/dev/hda4 ro quiet splash acpi=off noacpi is one line that looks promising
[03:11] <ritalin> im on ubuntu!
[03:12] <raydogg> ritalin++
[03:12] <thoreauputic> missmarple: are you sure your kernel doesn't have apm? does  sudo modprobe apm fail?
[03:12] <ritalin> its very slick
[03:12] <Myrtti> \o/
[03:12] <grunt> yo ppl. is it possible to have kde 3.2 on this distro?
[03:12] <EndGame> ritalin, yeah, untill it breaks
[03:12] <thoreauputic> grunt: it's possible to have kde 3.4 :)
[03:13] <ritalin> heh
[03:13] <EndGame> you think im kidding
[03:13] <SiRrUs> ritalin are you using hoary or warty
[03:13] <EndGame> once your pretty hippie gui goes away, you're screwed
[03:13] <ritalin> hoary
[03:13] <thoreauputic> EndGame: excuse me, that is rubbish
[03:13] <raydogg> lol
[03:14] <EndGame> oh?
[03:14] <crypticreign> fresh install of warty - desktop background properties dialog is gray and frozen
[03:14] <SiRrUs> ritalin you will like it
[03:14] <missmarple> thoreauputic: wait i'm bootinh
[03:14] <ritalin> i do so far
[03:14] <thoreauputic> EndGame: the cli works fine, thank you
[03:14] <gdh> True - when GNOME breaks, it can break just as dramatically as KDE :)
[03:14] <ritalin> gnome runs alot faster then apple's aqua
[03:14] <EndGame> yeah, just su to a .... oh wait
[03:14] <SiRrUs> Its very solid now and will get even better
[03:14] <thoreauputic> EndGame: sudo -s
[03:14] <missmarple> thoreauputic: modprobe apm fails
[03:14] <ritalin> my ibook buttons dont work though
[03:15] <EndGame> i could always run aptitude and play minesweeper, neh?
[03:15] <ritalin> guess ill have to manual config
[03:15] <thoreauputic> is what youare looking for
[03:15] <EndGame> :-)
[03:15] <dmouritsendk> EndGame, your kidding right?
[03:15] <missmarple> thoreauputic: it says no such device
[03:15] <thoreauputic> missmarple: hmm
[03:16] <Gfault>  How custom ubuntu-live for rename ubuntu name ?
[03:16] <thoreauputic> missmarple: have you tried rebooting with acpi=off noacpi  ?
[03:16] <missmarple> thoreauputic: yep - no change to the problem
[03:16] <thoreauputic> Gfault: I'm not sure what you mean
[03:16] <EndGame> no
[03:16] <scaroo> hi ppl  i ve just upgraded netapplet and strangely it doesn t install the netapplet binary anymore but only the netdaemon service, is it the normal behaviour ?
[03:17] <EndGame> aptitude has a minesweeper in it
[03:17] <EndGame> im not shitting you
[03:17] <ritalin> wow samba works out of the box!
[03:17] <thoreauputic> missmarple: how ghastly ! :(
[03:17] <EndGame> if you got out of your pretty gui you would know this
[03:17] <missmarple> thoreauputic: yeah absolutely
[03:17] <gdh> thoreauputic: LOL - no tea and crumpets until the case is solved, now! :)
[03:17] <missmarple> i shouldnt have made an update from warty to hoary
[03:18] <SiRrUs> EndGame are you talking about mines?
[03:18] <EndGame> yeah
[03:18] <EndGame> whatever you call it
[03:18] <EndGame> hippies
[03:18] <thoreauputic> EndGame: I just love the look of that black tty and prompt! It's so soothing... ;-)
[03:18] <EndGame> eh, gimme a cli anyday
[03:18] <thoreauputic> EndGame: I would take hippy as a compliment :)
[03:19] <EndGame> you would, wouldnt you
[03:19] <thoreauputic> EndGame: puch cards have a nice feel and look too ...
[03:19] <SiRrUs> EndGame all you need to type is gnomine
[03:19] <EndGame> with your drums, and your oooos and aaaaa when you log into gnome
[03:19] <EndGame> how often do you people use bash
[03:19] <SiRrUs> type for an ignore i guess ;)
[03:19] <thoreauputic> EndGame: not only that, but I even hug trees!
[03:19] <EndGame> damn
[03:20] <EndGame> im speechless
[03:20] <Gfault> thoreauputic: it would like to custom ubuntu, but ubuntu would need to change the name.
[03:20] <thoreauputic> EndGame: for troll in * ; do rm $troll ; done
[03:21] <SiRrUs> :)
[03:21] <dmouritsendk> EndGame,  well a terminal is fine. I use terminals to ssh into the clusters @ the uni i study, and for most of the work i do (vim+gcc+java+latex). But i do find a windows manager nice, it actually seems kinda idiotic to me not to use one.
[03:21] <EndGame> psudo-hippie-code
[03:21] <scaroo> EndGame, i use my shell all along the day but i dont claim it proudly as you do, please let everybody do wqnt they want
[03:21] <EndGame> props for the vim user
[03:21] <thoreauputic> haha
[03:21] <EndGame> ah, of course, linux is all about choices
[03:21] <thoreauputic> ed! ed is the editor! man ed! ed man!
[03:22] <EndGame> im just sayin that one cannot forget one's roots
[03:22] <SiRrUs> yep like running water and out houses
[03:22] <thoreauputic> scaroo: I think I detect a hint of humour...
[03:22] <ritalin> wow i really like linux
[03:22] <ritalin> screw OS X
[03:23] <ACID|net> :O
[03:23] <thoreauputic> ritalin: I second the motion :)
[03:23] <ACID|net> i still prefer osx i have to say...
[03:23] <EndGame> i was on a terminal on an OSX box today
[03:23] <thoreauputic> EndGame: thanks, we *never* knew that, being eye-candy hippies :)
[03:23] <scaroo> ritalin,
[03:24] <EndGame> ritalin wow i really like linux
[03:24] <EndGame> ritalin screw OS X
[03:24] <EndGame> sounded like he knew
[03:24] <thoreauputic> EndGame: so of course you know all about Fink and Darwin
[03:24] <EndGame> and that mach kernel
[03:25] <EndGame> and embraceing open source, whilest keeping all the cool gui shit closed
[03:25] <EndGame> w00t for apple
[03:26] <thoreauputic> EndGame: yup, uninstall acqua and use the cli in OS-X ! Way to go !
[03:26] <EndGame> why not
[03:26] <EndGame> actually
[03:27] <EndGame> all osx is good for is its eyecandy whorishness
[03:27] <ritalin> What do you have against eye candy?
[03:27] <EndGame> if i wanted a cli, i would run...
[03:27] <EndGame> i have no fucking idea
[03:27] <EndGame> it serves no purpose
[03:27] <thoreauputic> EndGame: well, might as well install freeBSD then, eh?
[03:27] <EndGame> DAMN RIGHT
[03:27] <EndGame> :-)
[03:27] <thoreauputic> hehe
[03:27] <ritalin> thoreauputic, hey dont knock beastie
[03:27] <thoreauputic> I didn't
[03:28] <thoreauputic> *g*
[03:28] <ACID|net> xchat <-- isnt that an eye candy IRC client???
[03:28] <thoreauputic> yeah
[03:28] <goldfish> irssi
[03:28] <goldfish> tbh
[03:28] <ACID|net> :)
[03:28] <ritalin> Eye Candy is good
[03:28] <EndGame> Ohmer, im such a hypocrite
[03:28] <goldfish> CHATZILLA!
[03:29] <EndGame> for the record, im running fluxbox on gentoo, and even flux seems heavy at times
[03:29] <gdh> telnet irc.freenode.net 6667 you lamers! :)
[03:29] <goldfish> haha
[03:29] <goldfish> nc
[03:29] <gdh> Ooh yes
[03:29] <gdh> ub3r!
[03:29] <goldfish> telnet on steroids!
[03:29] <EndGame> goldfish, damn right
[03:29] <thoreauputic> EndGame: yeah, using a 486 will do that to you ;)
[03:29] <goldfish> i just switched to fluxbox, i think its cool
[03:29] <EndGame> 1ghz, 512 megs of ram
[03:29] <EndGame> i love my box
[03:30] <goldfish> haha
[03:30] <scizzo> goldfish: irssi
[03:30] <scizzo> :)
[03:30] <EndGame> shit, just cause you have the power, doesnt meen it should be used doing useless shit that looks pretty
[03:30] <goldfish> ah yes
[03:30] <goldfish> irssi is great
[03:30] <dmouritsendk> EndGame, haven't u heard? Gnome 2.10 is in portage already (i'm a gentoo user too, on my third year) :p
[03:30] <goldfish> I hate those gui irc chat clients.
[03:30] <EndGame> not down with gnome
[03:30] <EndGame> tried it
[03:30] <EndGame> way heavy
[03:31] <scizzo> TWM!
[03:31] <scizzo> :)
[03:31] <EndGame> wmi
[03:31] <EndGame> bitches
[03:31] <thoreauputic> aaargh
[03:31] <EndGame> oh man
[03:31] <EndGame> im lovin the wmi
[03:31] <dmouritsendk> EndGame, naah. u just need a few inexpensive hardware updgrades and u cant tell the difference :p
[03:31] <EndGame> hardware upgraded are propagated by the software industry
[03:31] <thoreauputic> EndGame: surprised you aren't running Ratpoison
[03:31] <EndGame> i mean
[03:31] <EndGame> think about it
[03:32] <EndGame> all this processing power
[03:32] <EndGame> and are you really more productive that 10 years ago
[03:32] <EndGame> noire, all the power is whored out to guis
[03:32] <thoreauputic> EndGame: no
[03:32] <EndGame> Solatis, why upgrade
[03:32] <Dreamer3> ok, I open a file with gedit, save it... and a few minutes later it's back to it's original... WHAT THE HECK?
[03:32] <EndGame> linux will run on a freakin toaster, all it need is a power outlet and a keyboard
[03:32] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3: which file?
[03:33] <Dreamer3> this was ticking me off at the office the other day, doesn't matter samba, nfs, local...
[03:33] <ritalin> I guess no java support on default install?
[03:33] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: rails application i'm working on, or website files... doesn't seem to matter
[03:33] <ritalin> probally license issues
[03:33] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3: you probably opened read-only files
[03:33] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: um no, they save fine... i'm looking at them in my browser
[03:34] <dmouritsendk> EndGame, it depends on what you use your box for. I agree that processing power is primarily used for visualisation purposes today. But as a science or math student you deffently can apply some processing power when doing matlab simulations and suchs
[03:34] <dmouritsendk> -s
[03:34] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3: and if you edit them with vi or nano or whatever, same thing happens?
[03:34] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: i don't know, i don't use vi or nano
[03:34] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: you're saying gedit would remember the old file and randomly saver it later over the new one?
[03:35] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3: then it might not be gedit
[03:35] <EndGame> oh man, my roomies 2.8ghz 64-bit any my friends 3ghz p4 fly through some shit, defintately a great use of power
[03:35] <EndGame> i just dont see the poit (especially with windows) of all these upgrades
[03:35] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3: choice of editor shouldn't matter, no
[03:36] <EndGame> on another tangent, i got a microsoft intellimouse explorer 2.0 in a really cool shade of red for 15 bucks yesterday
[03:36] <EndGame> i feel dirty
[03:36] <EndGame> but its a really nice mouse
[03:36] <EndGame> :-)
[03:36] <ritalin> whats the unix command to see system info
[03:36] <EndGame> uname -a
[03:36] <ritalin> I forgot ive been double clicking for so long
[03:36] <ritalin> ty
[03:36] <EndGame> sure
[03:36] <thoreauputic> ritalin: what kind of info?
[03:37] <thoreauputic> EndGame: that only tells you the kernel version...
[03:37] <thoreauputic> and a couple of other bits
[03:37] <ritalin> just general system info
[03:37] <mercurus> ah ... kernel recompilation goodness
[03:37] <EndGame> uname --help
[03:37] <dmouritsendk> EndGame, well if u got a 2ghz+ processor, there aren't really any reason for upgrading that. But i figured u where on like a 800-1300mhz , since u found gnome slow :p
[03:37] <EndGame> whatever the thing is to display everything
[03:38] <thoreauputic> ritalin: browse in /proc
[03:38] <EndGame> any why was gnome slow?
[03:38] <EndGame> because its pretty
[03:38] <mercurus> dmouritsendk: I have a Duron 700 and GNOME isn't really slow ...
[03:38] <thoreauputic> ritalin: eg  cat /proc/cpuinfo
[03:38] <blackfeet> hi, i've a problem about the volume controller, .. when i try to open it i get the error "registry is not present or is corrupted, please update it by running gst-register", does anybody know what to do to fix that?
[03:38] <EndGame> alright, hippies, im off to sleep, or compusa, whichever comes first
[03:38] <dmouritsendk> EndGame, is gnome slow on ur box? what gfx card u got? my gnome screams
[03:38] <EndGame> ill be aorund
[03:38] <EndGame> shit
[03:39] <EndGame> ive got some POS 32 meg card
[03:39] <EndGame> gnome runs fine
[03:39] <mercurus> aye, I've got a GeForce 2 MX w\ 32 and it is fine
[03:39] <dmouritsendk> EndGame, ever since i enabled 2d hardware accelleration in xorg everything is extremely snappy.
[03:39] <dmouritsendk> minus java apps. but thats true of any wm
[03:39] <thoreauputic> blackfeet: did you try running sudo gst-register ?
[03:39] <lupusBE> how do I compile a project with DEBUG information is there a /configure option for it?
[03:40] <blackfeet> thoreauputic: yes, i did
[03:40] <mercurus> lupusBE: usually it is an option you should pass to configure, yes ...
[03:40] <blackfeet> thoreauputic: gst-register-0.8 i think
[03:40] <thoreauputic> lupusBE: try ./configure --help
[03:40] <mercurus> ./configure --help |grep debug
[03:41] <lupusBE> noting :(
[03:41] <lupusBE> nothing
[03:41] <EndGame> dmouritsendk, 2d accelleration? howd you go about that?
[03:42] <eclipse> which one is faster for playing games: KDE or Gnome?
[03:42] <dmouritsendk> EndGame, its a option in the nvidia driver. Option "RenderAccel" "true"
[03:42] <EndGame> ah
[03:42] <EndGame> eclipse, neither
[03:42] <EndGame> you'll get bad results from both
[03:42] <EndGame> for games, run x without a windows manager
[03:43] <dmouritsendk> eclipse, for games? i would say windows :p
[03:43] <EndGame> and lauch the games from a command line
[03:43] <eclipse> EndGame, for real?
[03:43] <EndGame> shit
[03:43] <EndGame> cedega is all up in the biatch
[03:43] <EndGame> for real
[03:43] <EndGame> just nab cedega off of mldonkey
[03:43] <gdh> Sorry?
[03:43] <EndGame> and go about your day
[03:43] <eclipse> ok...well which one is faster for everyday use?
[03:44] <gdh> wine's latest just came out yesterday... the ubuntu repositories haven't been rebuilt yet :)
[03:44] <EndGame> fluxbox
[03:44] <EndGame> :-)
[03:44] <EndGame> sucks
[03:44] <EndGame> especially since cedega is in theory a commercial product
[03:44] <dmouritsendk> or even better, on install everything x. login through a serialterminal and stick the serial cable in your mouth and interpret the output through the shocks u get
[03:44] <dmouritsendk> s/on install/uninstall/ :p
[03:44] <EndGame> that only works with 3 or 4 hits of acid in you
[03:45] <thoreauputic> dmouritsendk: you need to do that? Just use an abacus!
[03:46] <dmouritsendk> thoreauputic,  a bewolf cluster of abacus'es maybe :)
[03:46] <dmouritsendk> thoreauputic,  otherwise it wouldnt be quite l33t enough
[03:50] <thoreauputic> ping?
[03:51] <EndGame> thoreauputic, wtf
[03:51] <EndGame> pong
[03:51] <crypticreign> is there a command to change the background?
[03:51] <EndGame> | .   |
[03:51] <Get>  hmm, I can't start firestarter, got an error msg like:
[03:51] <crypticreign> cuz background-properties is broken
[03:51] <Get> A proper configuration for Firestarter was not found. If you are running Firestarter from the directory you built it in, run 'make install-data-local' to install a configuration, or simply 'make install' to install the whole program.
[03:51] <Get> Firestarter will now close.
[03:52] <dmouritsendk> crypticreign, check /desktop/gnome/panel in gconf-editor
[03:53] <crypticreign> dmouritsendk: ok
[03:53] <thoreauputic> EndGame: thanks - I wasn't certain I was back
[03:54] <EndGame> wow
[03:54] <EndGame> you're specia
[03:54] <thoreauputic> Get: did you compile it, or apt-get it?
[03:54] <EndGame> you use kde, dont you?
[03:54] <Get> apt-get it...
[03:54] <dmouritsendk> crypticreign, sorry i pasted the wrong regkey! thats supposed to be /desktop/gnome/background!
[03:55] <crypticreign> dmouritsendk: yeah i figured it out
[03:55] <thoreauputic> Get: try  ` sudo dpkg-reconfigure firestarter `
[03:55] <dmouritsendk> crypticreign, cool :p
[03:55] <crypticreign> hmph
[03:55] <crypticreign> nautulis doesnt run
[03:55] <crypticreign> on warty
[03:55] <Dreamer3> <%= link_to 'Reorder' , "?toggle_reorder=0", "onclick" => "toggleReorder(); return false;"  %>
[03:55] <Frossi> I just upgraded Warty to Hoary...everything else seems to work ok, but my mouse's scroll wheel doesn't work anymore....and yes I have ZAxisMapping in my XF86Config
[03:56] <Frossi> any ideas?
[03:56] <Dreamer3> ok, what am missing?  i know something is in the wrong place
[03:56] <Get> thoreauputic: now I see that I got errors about eth0 not found...
[03:56] <EndGame> is it set to "4 5" ? :-)
[03:56] <Frossi> yes
[03:56] <scizzo> Frossi: you are not using xfree86 anymore
[03:56] <EndGame> because it you set it to "5 4" it will be backwards
[03:56] <Get> thoreauputic: i use wlan
[03:56] <scizzo> Frossi: apt-get install xserver-xorg
[03:56] <Dreamer3> onclick never shows up in my html
[03:56] <scizzo> Frossi: and check the /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:57] <dmouritsendk> crypticreign, sounds wierd? does "ps aux | grep nautilus" show any threads?
[03:57] <crypticreign> dmouritsendk: yes nautilus /home/crypticreign
[03:58] <ritalin> thoreauputic, is Mac-on-Linux in Ubuntu's repository?
[03:58] <crypticreign> dmouritsendk: also nautilus --no-default-window --sm-client-id default3
[03:58] <dmouritsendk> crypticreign, but its not displaying any browsing windows or ?
[03:58] <crypticreign> dmouritsendk: no its not
[03:58] <thoreauputic> ritalin: yes, mol ( it isn't trivial getting it set up though)
[03:58] <Frossi> scizzo, I have ZAxisMapping set on xorg.conf also, and xserver-xorg is installed
[03:59] <thoreauputic> ritalin: there's a howto on the wiki
[03:59] <ritalin> cool
[03:59] <scizzo> Frossi: hmmm...
[03:59] <thoreauputic> ritalin: you'll need linux-headers and stuff
[03:59] <scizzo> Frossi: sounds weird
[04:00] <AngryClip> how does one edit the menu in gnome?
[04:00] <ritalin> I C
[04:00] <dmouritsendk> crypticreign, if u type "nautilus --sm-disable /home/" in a terminal does a window get summoned?
[04:01] <crypticreign> dmouritsendk: no
[04:01] <thoreauputic> ritalin: this is old, but has some good mol hints as well: http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~ctwardy/mol-debian-benh.html
[04:02] <dmouritsendk> crypticreign, try "nautilus -c"
[04:02] <crypticreign> dmouritsendk: that doesnt do anything either
[04:02] <dmouritsendk> doesn't it perform a self check?
[04:03] <thoreauputic> ritalin: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MacOnLinuxHowto  (the wiki page)
[04:03] <ritalin> thoreauputic, it says i need a os x partion somewhere? I partioned my entire hd ext3
[04:03] <crypticreign> dmouritsendk: nothing
[04:03] <dmouritsendk> crypticreign, "nautilus --version"?
[04:03] <crypticreign> no output in terminal either
[04:03] <crypticreign> dmouritsendk: heh
[04:03] <crypticreign> dmouritsendk: Gnome nautilus 2.8.1
[04:04] <thoreauputic> ritalin: well, you can't run mac-on-linux without a mac partition or drive :)
[04:04] <ritalin> doh
[04:04] <dmouritsendk> crypticreign, that kinda wierd. "nautilus -c" should output the results of a selfcheck to the terminal
[04:04] <thoreauputic> ritalin: I made two partitions left one empty, reinstalled OS-X, then installed ubuntu
[04:05] <crypticreign> dmouritsendk: this is a fresh install of warty
[04:05] <thoreauputic> on the empty space
[04:05] <Gfault>           How install ubintu-live-cd on HD ?
[04:05] <Gfault>           How install ubuntu-live-cd on HD ?
[04:05] <thoreauputic> Gfault: you don't
[04:05] <thoreauputic> Gfault: you use the install CD
[04:05] <selinium_> Hi thoreauputic!
[04:06] <ritalin> Bah I guess I dont need OS X really
[04:06] <thoreauputic> hi selinium_ :)
[04:06] <ritalin> office 2004 was all i really used
[04:06] <GNAM> can i use hoary-installer only to reinstall GRUB on the MBR?
[04:06] <ritalin> open office do .doc files ok?
[04:06] <njan> GNAM, just boot off the livecd and run grub
[04:06] <thoreauputic> ritalin: sure
[04:06] <njan> s/the/a/
[04:06] <selinium_> thoreauputic: I take it as my desktop has updated, Hoary is now upon us?
[04:06] <ritalin> Cant be any worse then appleworks
[04:06] <thoreauputic> selinium_: well, nearly
[04:07] <thoreauputic> ritalin: it's much better than apple works :)
[04:07] <Frossi> scizzo, it works ok now, booted with older kernel :D
[04:07] <selinium_> I still cant get my palm to talk to Ubuntu... If anyone knows a way I would be grateful
[04:08] <AlienDuce> hey somebody can answer a question?
[04:08] <dmouritsendk> crypticreign, (im not on ubuntu, so that doesn't help me much :p). try running gconf-editor and set windows_always_new to true in /apps/nautilus/prefernces. though, i dont think it will help(something seems borked, "nautilus -c" should work), but its worth trying anyway.
[04:09] <kaouete> hi
[04:10] <scizzo> Frossi: ok
[04:10] <AlienDuce> hey
[04:10] <AlienDuce> i ordered a free ubuntu cds... will be arrived????
[04:10] <Haffe> Hello. Does anyone here use Ubuntu with an asus a7n8x-deluxe and a maxtor sata drive?
[04:11] <Montagh> mine were about 6-8 weeks
[04:11] <dmouritsendk> crypticreign, u said ealier that ur gnome-background-proberties, i think this is related to ur nautilus problem
[04:11] <thoreauputic> AlienDuce: takes a few weeks
[04:11] <AlienDuce> ok thanks
[04:11] <AlienDuce> anybody from argentina in here??????
[04:12] <crypticreign> dmouritsendk: probably, any ideas on what i should do?
[04:12] <thoreauputic> AlienDuce: you might try #ubuntu-es
[04:12] <AlienDuce> ok thaks again
[04:13] <dmouritsendk> crypticreign, have it worked before or has it always been borked?
[04:15] <dmouritsendk> crypticreign, i would try and delete all settings in /home/yourusername/ (remove .gnome2) and restart x and login again
[04:16] <dmouritsendk> crypticreign, also .gconf and .gconfd if they are there(they will all be rebuild with defaults when u logon again).
[04:16] <dmouritsendk> crypticreign, (and ofcourse .nautilus)
[04:17] <selinium_> Unbunt Software updtes has just thrown up 35 updates.... But most of them can't be authenticated? Any ideas?
[04:17] <thoreauputic> selinium_: wait a few hours :)
[04:17] <gdh> you've added external repositories?
[04:17] <selinium_> k
[04:17] <gdh> ah :)
[04:17] <dmouritsendk> crypticreign, maybe it would be easier to delete  .* in your home dir. (notice that ull loose any configuration u have done, and everything will be reset)
[04:18] <selinium_> I haven't added external repositories, in fact Synaptic doesnt even see them, just Software Update
[04:19] <raydogg> what would be required to make a customized ubuntu live cd
[04:19] <thoreauputic> dmouritsendk: wouldn't it be wiser to just mv (rename) ? that way he has backups
[04:20] <thoreauputic> raydogg: you might want to google for morphix remastering
[04:20] <ritalin> ACID|net, !
[04:20] <raydogg> thx thoreauputic
[04:22] <dmouritsendk> thoreauputic, but if some of them doesn't get rebuilded (the hidden dirs in his home), then he will know there is a problem with that app(since theyre supposed to) which sould be looked at. but then again backups are allways nice, so you might got a point :p
[04:24] <thoreauputic> dmouritsendk: I've done what you are suggesting before - but having for instance .gnome2.old can save time ( you can look for some files in there and restore them)
[04:27] <dmouritsendk> thoreauputic, it would deffently make sence to do so if you have made of bunch of changes to the config. But he said he was on a fresh install, and i also noteted that he would loose any configs done after the install (which could be taken as a hint that he should save anything he's fond of inthere :p)
[04:28] <thoreauputic> dmouritsendk: yeah, no big deal then :) I take your point
[04:31] <njees> how can i access my s-ata disk in ubuntu?cccc
[04:33] <kaouete> a little question, someone told me that hoary was using the new d-i installer, and i downloaded the 5.04 hoary just released: it looks like it's using the old debian installer, is there another iso with the new d-i installer ?
[04:33] <dmouritsendk> njees, its probertly name /dev/sd* or something like that
[04:34] <dmouritsendk> njees, try grepping for it in dmesg. "dmesg | grep MAXTOR" for example
[04:34] <njees> the name is sda, but i cant mountit
[04:34] <thoreauputic> kaouete: it *is* the new d-i installer, with a few simplifications
[04:34] <gdh> what does 'cfdisk /dev/sda' show?
[04:34] <desrt> sda is the drive itself
[04:34] <kaouete> ho ? really ?
[04:34] <kaouete> ok :)
[04:34] <gdh> list of partitions?
[04:34] <desrt> you need to mount the partitions
[04:34] <thoreauputic> kaouete: really
[04:35] <thoreauputic> kaouete: warty uses it too
[04:35] <desrt> njees; there will probably be /dev/sda1 and such.   cat /proc/partitions
[04:35] <kaouete> thoreauputic: so the old one is too far away in my mind, i confused them :>
[04:36] <kaouete> thanks :] 
[04:36] <thoreauputic> kaouete: the old one was the woody installer, which was indeed more difficult
[04:36] <kaouete> yes :] 
[04:36] <kaouete> i misremember it ^^
[04:37] <ggeecko> is there a program like bearshare for ubuntu??
[04:37] <goldfish> limewire
[04:37] <goldfish> ?
[04:37] <thoreauputic> kaouete: mind you , the woody installer worked well - it was just a *bit* intimidating for new users ;)
[04:37] <kaouete> hehe yes
[04:37] <gdh> nicotine is good if you just want music.
[04:37] <dmouritsendk> njees, (sidenote: if its a brand new drive you need to partition it it first. You can use "fdisk /dev/sda" for this)
[04:37] <gdh> (uses the SoulSeek network)
[04:38] <gdh> dmouritsendk: 'cfdisk' will also write a blank table and is less scary for new users :)
[04:38] <kaouete> thoreauputic: it was ok for me to use the old one, i liked it :] 
[04:38] <gdh> (I still use it...)
[04:38] <njees> its not a brand new drive, it has been formatted with fat32
[04:38] <dmouritsendk> gdh, then he should use cfdisk  :p
[04:38] <ggeecko> goldfish: is limewire what you use
[04:38] <goldfish> i only use azureus lately
[04:39] <goldfish> but i heard limewire was good
[04:39] <thoreauputic> kaouete: yes, the old one was fine, as long as you knew *not* to use dselect, and to acept the defaults for nearly everything :)
[04:39] <kaouete> hehe
[04:39] <gdh> Last I knew, limewire = bearshare = morpheus = gnutella
[04:39] <kaouete> i dont like dselect, to complicated for me
[04:39] <crypticreign> dmouritsendk: file-roller wont start either, this is after system reboot too
[04:40] <thoreauputic> kaouete: if you've ever watched a new user's face when first shown dselect, you'll know what I mean ;-)
[04:40] <kaouete> krkrkr
[04:40] <elysian_fields> lol
[04:41] <dmouritsendk> njees, ok. did you find the partition and try and mounted it then?
[04:42] <njees> find the partition when i type cfdisk /dev/sda, but i dont know how to mount it
[04:42] <dmouritsendk> njees, "mount -t vfat /dev/sdaN /mnt/mountpoint" (where N is the partition number relevant, and /mnt/mountpoint is the place u wanna mount it)
[04:42] <kaouete> mount /dev/sda1 /folder ?
[04:42] <sproingie> dselect is a horror.  aptitude is dselect on a diet
[04:43] <kaouete> hehe, i only use apt-get
[04:43] <sproingie> i like browsing the new packages
[04:43] <dmouritsendk> crypticreign, that doesn't sound too goo. I take it that nautilus and gnome-background-properties are still borked allso?
[04:44] <crypticreign> dmouritsendk: yes also openoffice doesnt start either
[04:44] <titus`> hello
[04:44] <thoreauputic> sproingie: for browsing, why not synaptic? I hear people singing the praises of aptitude, but to me it's pretty unintuitive: I use apt-get all the time
[04:44] <thoreauputic> and apt-cache search etc
[04:45] <sproingie> thoreauputic: i was going to fire up synaptic to check it side by side
[04:45] <kaouete> i'm like you thoreauputic
[04:45] <sproingie> thoreauputic: it blows a raspberry at me saying "you must run this as root"
[04:45] <dmouritsendk> crypticreign, I would try and get the packagemanager to reinstall everything. im pretty sure apt lets u do that sort of thing. Something sounds very broken, i think it will be quicker to re-install than to fix it.
[04:45] <Tux-Rox> So does anyone know if a list of what will be included in Hoary has been posted somewhere?
[04:45] <sproingie> thoreauputic: strike one.  aptitude will ask you to su when you need it
[04:45] <njees> tnx
[04:45] <sproingie> aptitude just needs a clicky gui instead of a curses one, and it'd be nice
[04:46] <thoreauputic> sproingie: synaptic? it didn't pop up gksudo for you?
[04:46] <dmouritsendk> crypticreign, but its a bit worrying that its a fresh install your on. I thought warty was supposed to be "stable"
[04:46] <sproingie> thoreauputic: nope, seems to be only with gnome.
[04:46] <thoreauputic> sproingie: ah, I see - you are using another wm?
[04:47] <sproingie> thoreauputic: i dont think synaptic has the equivalent of "b" to cycle through broken packages either
[04:47] <thoreauputic> sproingie: I use fluxbox, and edit themenus
[04:47] <sproingie> or any auto-fixing of broken dependencies
[04:47] <sproingie> thoreauputic: kde
[04:48] <thoreauputic> sproingie: well, apt is fine for --fix-missing or apt-get -f or any number of other things
[04:48] <sproingie> thoreauputic: aptitude's a fairly thin wrapper for the apt-get libraries.  i just find the interface more intuitive
[04:49] <thoreauputic> sproingie: you're not alone, I know - at least we have the choice
[04:49] <sproingie> hm, ia32-libs is broken..
[04:49] <sproingie> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/ia32-libs_0.5ubuntu3_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[04:49] <sproingie>  error creating symbolic link `./usr/lib32/libGL.so.1': No such file or directory
[04:51] <Gfault>           How install ubuntu-live-cd on HD ?
[04:51] <sproingie> interestingly /usr/lib32/libGL.so.1 does exist though, so it must be the leading . that's the problem
[04:51] <thoreauputic> Gfault: I already told you: it isn't implemented yet - use the install CD
[04:52] <Gfault> live established in ubuntu would like to make one
[04:52] <thoreauputic> Gfault: what is your first language?
[04:53] <Gfault> thoreauputic: pt_BR
[04:53] <Gfault> for where start?
[04:53] <ritalin> im using hoary, should i enter hoary in synaptic for distribution when adding the repostpories?
[04:53] <ritalin> or should i go with warty?
[04:54] <thoreauputic> Gfault: #ubuntu-pt perhaps?
[04:54] <sproingie> ritalin: unless you care to downgrade your distro, i'd stick with hoary
[04:54] <ritalin> cool
[04:54] <sproingie> debian does dist upgrades very well.  not so well downgrades
[04:55] <sproingie> bah why isn't there a package for postgresql 8
[04:57] <kaouete> oh, i just lost display when installing ^^ it was installing package, and when i looked at my laptop i have seen a black screen, is installer trying to prob my screen or something like that or have i a problem ? :)
[04:57] <thoreauputic> sproingie: apt-cache show postgresql on warty says there is
[04:59] <kaouete> grumpf.
[04:59] <thoreauputic> sproingie: and apt-cache policy says it's in main
[04:59] <thoreauputic> kaouete: what are you installing?
[04:59] <kaouete> hoary
[04:59] <kaouete> 5.04-preview
[05:00] <kaouete> i have just a black screen now, it doesnt seem to be doing anything.
[05:00] <thoreauputic> kaouete: try ctrl-alt-F3 to see what's happening
[05:00] <kaouete> it doesnt do anything
[05:00] <kaouete> maybe it's just frozen :>
[05:00] <kaouete> should i hardly restart it ?
[05:01] <Montagh> i had a blank screen for a long time during install
[05:01] <RarLukT> Ok... I need help. I've installled Ubuntu, and choosed not to have any username. Now I cannot log in
[05:01] <kaouete> Montagh: ok
[05:01] <jesus-> is there a gnome applet to monitor network where you can see the current speed in kb/s and maybe a graph?
[05:01] <Montagh> yeah give it a few mins
[05:01] <kaouete> looks like something is happenning on the disque now :] 
[05:01] <kaouete> Montagh: thanks :] 
[05:01] <Montagh> yep
[05:01] <Montagh> cool
[05:01] <kaouete> ah, it just shutdown !
[05:02] <Montagh> hmm might have finished
[05:02] <kaouete> i shouldnt have pushed the power button :>
[05:02] <kaouete> i will see
[05:02] <thoreauputic> RarLukT: well, you needed a username because ubuntu uses sudo, and has no default root user
[05:02] <kaouete> thoreauputic: and how can we set root password ?
[05:03] <sproingie> thoreauputic: I see postgresql 7.4.  where do you see 8?
[05:03] <RarLukT> Then what is sudo?
[05:03] <scizzo> kaouete: you don't _need_ a root password
[05:03] <thoreauputic> sproingie: ah, sorry - I misread
[05:03] <kaouete> scizzo: i am sure that i need one :] 
[05:03] <RarLukT> It sounds like some kind of weird japaneese sexual tecnique....
[05:03] <thoreauputic> sproingie: I didn't read the number, sorry
[05:03] <scizzo> kaouete: really? well the first user you add has root priviliges through sudo
[05:03] <kaouete> hhhm
[05:04] <kaouete> so maybe it will be ok like that :>
[05:04] <scizzo> kaouete: yes
[05:04] <kaouete> hmpf, only if i can get something on my screen
[05:04] <thoreauputic> RarLukT: sudo is a command to give a user root privileges temporarily
[05:04] <RarLukT> I get this loginscreen, but i cannot log in... Is there a way I can add users after i
[05:04] <scizzo> kaouete: just type the users password when it prompts for a password using sudo
[05:04] <scizzo> kaouete: sudo -s -H
[05:04] <kaouete> yes, i know sudo :] 
[05:04] <RarLukT> After I have installed it...
[05:05] <kaouete> scizzo: i cant type anithing for now, i'm just waiting for the install to finish . . . or not !
[05:05] <thoreauputic> RarLukT: after install, you can add as many users as you like
[05:05] <kaouete> looks like it's just that X doesnt want to show anything
[05:05] <mercurus> audigy 2 Value working under Ubuntu (following kernel re-compile with 2.6.11)
[05:05] <ikama> hi all
[05:05] <RarLukT> Where?
[05:05] <scizzo> RarLukT: you didn't create a normal user?
[05:06] <ikama> anybody know whats going on kde 3.4 kontact (kdepim 3.4) packages
[05:06] <RarLukT> Nope... That was stupid of me, right?
[05:06] <thoreauputic> RarLukT: because you didn't make a user, you *can't* log on
[05:06] <scizzo> umm...yes
[05:06] <Hannes_> RarLukT: yes
[05:06] <ritalin> Whats the difference between multi-verse and universe?
[05:06] <RarLukT> Do I have to install it all over again?
[05:06] <scizzo> RarLukT: no
[05:06] <Hannes_> RarLukT: yes
[05:06] <Hannes_> no
[05:06] <kaouete> krkr
[05:06] <selinium_> LOL
[05:06] <kaouete> yes or no ? :)
[05:06] <thoreauputic> ritalin: multiverse is like debian "non-free"
[05:06] <scizzo> single-user mode
[05:06] <RarLukT> yes? no? yes? no?
[05:06] <ritalin> ahh
[05:07] <ritalin> so its ok to have them both enabled in your sources?
[05:07] <scizzo> you still have physical access to it...
[05:07] <ritalin> I didnt know if you could only choice one
[05:07] <scizzo> you can root it using single-user mode
[05:07] <thoreauputic> ritalin: yes
[05:07] <RarLukT> Is there some button I can press when I reboot so that I can access the setup-menu?
[05:08] <thoreauputic> ritalin: in fact if you want the biggest choice, it's good to have both (unless you object to non-free)
[05:08] <scizzo> thoreauputic: or am I wrong about him being able to add a user through the single-user mode?
[05:08] <RarLukT> If I stand on one foot, while pressing a button with my eyes closed... Will that help?
[05:08] <kaouete> RarLukT: yes
[05:09] <scizzo> RarLukT: I hope you didn't think to use Root for X?
[05:09] <thoreauputic> scizzo: I think it's possible, but might need a root user first
[05:09] <scizzo> thoreauputic: true
[05:10] <thoreauputic> RarLukT: all in all, I think it would be easiest to start again...
[05:10] <RarLukT> I actually did... Havent touched Linux since 1999, u see...
[05:10] <RarLukT> It only took me 2 hours...
[05:10] <scizzo> RarLukT: never use root for X
[05:10] <RarLukT> Ok... I didn
[05:10] <RarLukT> Didnt know
[05:11] <thoreauputic> RarLukT: root is reserved for special occasions ;)
[05:11] <scizzo> RarLukT: root is a "use this only if necessary" thingy...
[05:11] <RarLukT> Ahhh
[05:12] <RarLukT> Oki. I see. I installed this yesterday... But then I couldnt set up a network account because the stupid program was asking for the root-password... And I never had one...
[05:12] <scizzo> RarLukT: also...the applications often asks for the root password if they need it...and then you just type the user password in there instead
[05:12] <crypticreign> dmouritsendk: well i will just upgrade to hoary, since i cant solve this problem
[05:12] <RarLukT> So I got pissed off, and tried to install it again. It took 2 hours...
[05:13] <RarLukT> scizzo: I tried that. Like a billion times. Didn't work... (The caps-lock was not on... I swear to god)
[05:13] <scizzo> RarLukT: well did you add a new user? and used that user?
[05:14] <RarLukT> Mabe this Linux-version is not ment for me...
[05:14] <thoreauputic> RarLukT: on the contrary, sounds like it was made for you ;)
[05:15] <scizzo> RarLukT: the thing is that the user that you create during install....that one is added automatically to sudoers....but if you create a new later...that one is not added auto to the file...you need to add it yourself
[05:15] <thoreauputic> RarLukT: but you are "overthinking"
[05:15] <RarLukT> Hehe
[05:15] <dmouritsendk> crypticreign, i think that might be the easiest solution (just reinstalling metacity and gnome might do the trick to, it seems to me it something metacity problem (i would have said gnome, but since openoffice doesnt start eighter, i think chances are its something metacity or x related))
[05:16] <thoreauputic> RarLukT: I suggest the first stop is the FAQ
[05:16] <reon_> Hi
[05:16] <RarLukT> Ok. So the thing is... When the installation program (that took ages) wants me to add a user that haves to have a password, this is the sado-user? (sudo, sado... Whatever)... That's as far as I got..
[05:17] <RarLukT> Got a Linux for jerks like me`?
[05:17] <kaouete> hhhhhhhhh
[05:17] <kaouete> m
[05:17] <thoreauputic> RarLukT: yes, the user you make on install has sudo rights (administrative)
[05:18] <RarLukT> So when I choosed not to make a sudo-user, i acutally answered that "oh no... This machine cannot be used by anyone"
[05:18] <RarLukT> "Not even God himcelf can use this machine, because I choose not to have a sudo-user. Thats what I want. A useless machine."
[05:19] <thoreauputic> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq
[05:19] <thoreauputic> RarLukT: more or less, yeah ;)
[05:19] <RarLukT> Why would they give me this stupid choice?
[05:19] <kaouete> good question, i didnt had the choice here
[05:19] <kaouete> they just told me to choose a username and a password
[05:20] <_ale> my root pass was the normal user password
[05:20] <_ale> or something
[05:20] <|daver|> i just loaded the preview release and it didnt prompt me for a root pw is there a defualt root pw?
[05:20] <kaouete> i thought that there was no root pass !?
[05:20] <thoreauputic> RarLukT: you were trying to outsmart the installer - you succeeded, but it revenged itself on you ;)
[05:20] <sproingie> it sure prompted me for one
[05:21] <|daver|> i got prompted for a user pw
[05:21] <|daver|> not a root pow
[05:21] <sproingie> it didnt give the first user sudo either, i had to log in as root and edit /etc/sudoers
[05:21] <kaouete> depend on the version you use :)
[05:21] <thoreauputic> sproingie: that's bizarre
[05:21] <sproingie> hm, my install experience was vastly different for some reason
[05:21] <|daver|> what is up with this
[05:22] <StoffBox-Steve> small question, whats the editor you use ? @ all
[05:22] <kaouete> vim.
[05:22] <kalden> vim
[05:22] <|daver|> ok sudo passwd root
[05:22] <thoreauputic> cat
[05:22] <|daver|> works
[05:22] <|daver|> now i need to install the smp kernel
[05:22] <|daver|> i havent used apt in a few years
[05:22] <|daver|> is there a way to search for what i need to install?
[05:22] <RarLukT> I got prompted, yes... But I said no
[05:22] <kaouete> apt-cache search it
[05:22] <kaouete> apt-cache search kernel image smp
[05:22] <kaouete> maybe
[05:23] <StoffBox-Steve> *gg* ok -- whats html/php editor you use :D
[05:23] <sproingie> make sure you do apt-get update first
[05:23] <thoreauputic> |daver|: apt-cache search linux-image | grep smp
[05:23] <kaouete> RarLukT: here it just asked me the username, not ig i want it or not
[05:23] <RarLukT> Hmm... The text said it was clever of me to choose one. It was in norwegian. I must kill that translator
[05:23] <|daver|> ok that works
[05:23] <|daver|> i am doing the complete
[05:24] <|daver|> i have a dual xeon with x86-64 extensions
[05:24] <|daver|> it should work with hyperthreading too right?
[05:24] <kaouete> yes
[05:24] <|daver|> cool
[05:24] <kaouete> (so you will have 4 cpu :)
[05:24] <|daver|> w00p
[05:24] <|daver|> nice box my work gave me
[05:24] <|daver|> heh
[05:24] <kaouete> krkr
[05:24] <|daver|> quiet as hell too
[05:25] <thoreauputic> |daver|: hell is quiet? How do you know? Or shouldn't I ask? :P
[05:25] <|daver|> haha
[05:25] <thoreauputic> :)
[05:25] <kaouete> is it normal that it didnt used framebuffer ?
[05:25] <kaouete> (i mean installer)
[05:26] <thoreauputic> kaouete: it's an ncurses interface, if that's what you mean
[05:26] <kaouete> no no
[05:26] <kaouete> it's just that actually the screen isnt used at all
[05:26] <kaouete> to use it at all, i need to be in 1024x768 with fb
[05:26] <kaouete> i have already reboot
[05:27] <kaouete> it is installing packages now
[05:28] <kaouete> for the moment it is ok, but i restarted install from the beginning, because it looked like i have done a bad thing before, i just lost my screen, and nothing was hapenning, if it is the same
[05:28] <kaouete> i will boot on a knoppix and check conf by hand.
[05:28] <|daver|> hmm how ocme i dont get a grub menu?>
[05:28] <Blackice1963> identify blackice1963
[05:28] <|daver|> it says loading grub, and then it just boots
[05:28] <kaouete> |daver|: maybe you dont say to installer to install it on mbr
[05:28] <kaouete> aaah
[05:28] <kaouete> it's maybe because there is no choice to make
[05:28] <kaouete> ooor
[05:28] <thoreauputic> |daver|: hit <esc> I think
[05:28] <kaouete> just modify grub.conf
[05:28] <kaouete> (or menu.lst)
[05:29] <kaouete> in /boot/grub/
[05:29] <kaouete> to make it wait
[05:29] <virtuald> Blackice1963: that's the worst password i've seen in a long time
[05:29] <kaouete> here it is waiting 10 seconds
[05:29] <RarLukT> The FAQ told me nothing at all, but now I know how to pronounce Ubunu.
[05:29] <kaouete> virtuald: :))
[05:29] <Blackice1963> ok
[05:29] <virtuald> B9
[05:29] <virtuald> B] 
[05:29] <Blackice1963> it looks good to me lol
[05:29] <kaouete> you can change it now :)
[05:30] <|daver|> ok smp booted and i see 2 cpu's not 4
[05:30] <Blackice1963> nop
[05:30] <|daver|> and cat /proc/cpuinfo shows ht
[05:30] <Nielss> has anyone (in here) ever actually gotten an ati card to work in ubuntu, that also has a nforce2 chipset on the motherboard?
[05:30] <thoreauputic> Blackice1963: you use your username as a pass? What's your IP ? *g*
[05:31] <Blackice1963> ok
[05:31] <kaouete> |daver|: so ht is not activated in kernel maybe
[05:31] <kaouete> krkr
[05:31] <|daver|> nope it not
[05:31] <|daver|> so i would have to recompile it myself?
[05:31] <kaouete> maybe
[05:31] <kaouete> check the config before
[05:31] <mjr> Nielss, hmh, I've an ati 9250 working nicely here (with the free drivers), but I think I have nforce3
[05:32] <kaouete> there should be one shipped with the kernel
[05:32] <|daver|> where can i find it? /usr/src/linux ?
[05:32] <kaouete> more /boot
[05:32] <kaouete> or in /proc/config.gz
[05:32] <kaouete> or something like that
[05:32] <dmouritsendk> Blackice1963, don't tell what ur username and passwords are on a irc channel :p
[05:32] <reon_> Anyone care to help a idiot with his sound dilemma ?
[05:32] <Nielss> mjr with the ati drivers in 3d or some other ones?
[05:33] <thoreauputic> reon_: just ask, don't ask to ask :)
[05:34] <jesus-> is there a network monitor tool for linux?
[05:34] <reon_> I cannot get my Plantornics headset to work with Hoary AMD64-k8
[05:34] <thoreauputic> jesus-: quite a few actually
[05:35] <kaouete> jesus-: depend on what you want to do
[05:35] <thoreauputic> exactly
[05:35] <reon_> more info here: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=18926&highlight=change+audio+device
[05:35] <no0tic> jesus-: define network monitor
[05:35] <jesus-> i want to monitor my network activity, preferably see what process generates traffic and how much
[05:35] <_ale> tcpdump
[05:35] <jesus-> in kb/sec etc
[05:35] <|daver|> hmm what is that called in the kernel config to look up hyperthreading?
[05:35] <thoreauputic> ethereal
[05:35] <|daver|> i am not used to looking in the config
[05:35] <kaouete> |daver|: *HT* ? :)
[05:36] <|daver|> i looked
[05:36] <reon_> my head is bleeding
[05:36] <kaouete> CONFIG_X86_HT
[05:36] <reon_> by the way, can someone recommend a very good linux/deb book
[05:37] <reon_> thanks, but the bloodloss is going to kill me
[05:37] <warty> linux for dummys lol
[05:37] <|daver|> ahh it dosent exist
[05:37] <|daver|> u know why
[05:37] <|daver|> cause this is a AMD64 kernel
[05:37] <kaouete> hehe :)
[05:37] <|daver|> even tho it runs on intel
[05:37] <|daver|> so would this be a bug?
[05:37] <reon_> warty, thanks but something that actually gets down to the nuts and bolts
[05:37] <kaouete> davix_: krkrkr
[05:37] <kaouete> oups
[05:37] <kaouete> not davix_ ;(((
[05:38] <|daver|> since now the Xeon supports x64 and has hyperthreading?
[05:38] <kaouete> |daver|: why did you use such a kernel ?
[05:38] <|daver|> because this chip is x86-64 compatible
[05:38] <|daver|> so why not?
[05:38] <kaouete> hhhm
[05:38] <reon_> anybody had a look at that link ?
[05:38] <|daver|> thats the whole point of it
[05:38] <kaouete> are you sure it's the best one to use with ?
[05:39] <|daver|> http://www.intel.com/technology/64bitextensions/
[05:39] <|daver|> i wonder if there is a ubuntu kernel that will work with it
[05:39] <|daver|> enable 64bit and have HT
[05:40] <reon_> i'm on my knees here people, this is probably something simple
[05:40] <thoreauputic> reon_: I had a look, but I have no idea, sorry
[05:40] <reon_> thanks anyway.
[05:40] <reon_> would you know how I can swop the device IDs around, swop 0&1 ???
[05:40] <mjr> Nielss, 3d works (with DRI)
[05:41] <Nielss> damn
[05:41] <thoreauputic> reon_: do you have normal headphones? or only usb? does sound work for normal headphones, I mean?
[05:41] <reon_> only USB & no speakers
[05:42] <tolstoy> latest kernel, no nvidia drivers, apparently.  Can I expect them to just show up one day?
[05:42] <Nielss> i managed to install them fine (as far as i know) using the guide on the ubuntu site, but it still wants to use the MESA ones and i cant figure out why :/
[05:42] <thoreauputic> reon_: you don't even have  pair of earbuds for a walkman or something? To test?
[05:42] <dmouritsendk> |daver|, doesn't you have the option Processor type and features -> SMT (Hyperthreading) scheduler support  in menuconfig?
[05:42] <reon_> nope, stupid hey ? maybe I should buy some
[05:43] <thoreauputic> reon_: sounds like a plan, yeah
[05:43] <Xer> hi
[05:43] <Xer> anyone know how to uninstall gnome?
[05:43] <thoreauputic> reon_: less than $5 I would guess...
[05:44] <dmouritsendk> |daver|, or try "cat /usr/src/linux/.config | grep CONFIG_SCHED_SMT"
[05:44] <reon_> wait, i just found a old banged up pair in my brothers drawer
[05:44] <thoreauputic> Xer: apt-get remove gnome-session should do it, more or less
[05:44] <mjr> Nielss, you're talking about the binary drivers. Don't know about them.
[05:44] <Xer> ok
[05:44] <Xer> now if i have the kde
[05:44] <Xer> how i can install it
[05:44] <Xer> ?
[05:44] <reon_> they require some soldering though....
[05:44] <|daver|> ok let me try that
[05:44] <stuNNed> skippy dippy muine goes! :D
[05:45] <thoreauputic> Xer: you don't need to uninstall gnome to install KDE :/
[05:45] <Xer> :\
[05:45] <Nielss> damn, alright then
[05:45] <Xer> i need to uninstall gnome
[05:45] <Xer> and install kde
[05:45] <Xer> and id like from kde to autostart after i remove gnome
[05:45] <|daver|> dmouritsendk: it says its not set
[05:45] <|daver|> so i would have to recompile the kernel then i assume
[05:45] <thoreauputic> Xer: why do you *need * to uninstall gnome?
[05:46] <Xer> i'd like to get more free space :P
[05:46] <|daver|> buy a bigger drive
[05:46] <dmouritsendk> |dave|, yup. afraid so
[05:46] <|daver|> dmouritsendk: is there a howto on how to do in under ubuntu ?
[05:46] <thoreauputic> Xer: or install Kubuntu
[05:46] <Xer> i have
[05:46] <Xer> 80 gb
[05:46] <Xer> and anther one 40 gb
[05:46] <Xer> :D
[05:46] <|daver|> i have done it before just never with ubuntu
[05:47] <thoreauputic> Xer: install Kubuntu
[05:47] <Xer> what is kubuntu?
[05:47] <thoreauputic> Xer: ubuntu with KDE instead of gnome
[05:47] <Xer> :\
[05:47] <Xer> how mb is it?
[05:48] <jjpmr52> hi folks !
[05:48] <thoreauputic> Xer: if you didn't want gnome, why on earth did you install Ubuntu?
[05:48] <Xer> hi jj
[05:48] <Xer> its easy
[05:48] <Xer> i dont have linux cd ;)
[05:48] <stuNNed> Xer: there is kubuntu why not use that?
[05:48] <Xer> only ubuntu
[05:48] <Xer> :D
[05:48] <Xer> im now in ubu
[05:49] <dmouritsendk> |daver|, i'm not sure, but you should be able to do it manually (grabbing vanilla sources from kernel.org and then just install it as usual)
[05:49] <Xer> im now in ubuntu web site reading about it :D
[05:49] <jjpmr52> here is the final question :-)
[05:49] <dmouritsendk> |daver|, but try and check ubuntus homepage first
[05:49] <thoreauputic> Xer: just install KDE from universe repository - remove what you don't want later
[05:49] <Xer> eh
[05:49] <jjpmr52> if would have to choose between Gift Ml Donkey and Nicotine which on would choose
[05:50] <dmouritsendk> |daver|, im pretty sure they have packages that will make the process "easier" (generating initrds and such)
[05:50] <stuNNed> Xer: good luck with it mate
[05:50] <Xer> after i install kde
[05:50] <Xer> how to make kde auto start? ;)
[05:50] <dmouritsendk> |daver|, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelHowto/view?searchterm=kernel
[05:50] <jordanau> Hey, I just lost my sound, I had it before and was trying to add multiple sound ability. I have an onboard soundcard from mobo asus a7n8x deluxe. How can I get my sound files back to the way they were when ubuntu was first installed?
[05:50] <thoreauputic> Xer: one thing at a time, eh?
[05:50] <Xer> [i will back to kernel 2.4 and gnome wont work on it] 
[05:50] <thoreauputic> Xer: what are you smoking?
[05:51] <Xer> co2 ;)
[05:51] <stuNNed> lol
[05:51] <Xer> i mean o2
[05:51] <Xer> ;] 
[05:51] <sproingie> Xer: install kdm
[05:51] <stuNNed> heh
[05:51] <sproingie> Xer: pick kde from the session menu
[05:51] <Xer> kdm?
[05:51] <Xer> i dont know the session menu
[05:51] <Xer> :D
[05:51] <stuNNed> Xer: kdm=kde session manager :D
[05:51] <sproingie> Xer: it's a package.  apt-get install kdm
[05:51] <Xer> explan ;)
[05:51] <Xer> haaaaaaaa!
[05:52] <thoreauputic> Xer: I'm guessing you got KDE from another source -and the kernel has *nothing* to do with your desktop environment
[05:52] <sproingie> when you see the login screen, you'll see a button that says "menu".  that has a submenu for "session".  pick KDE
[05:52] <Xer> noo
[05:52] <Xer> u dont know anythinges
[05:52] <stuNNed> ?
[05:52] <Xer> im trying to make my own live cd [ all thinges  i need it in that cd] 
[05:52] <sproingie> Xer: goooood luck
[05:52] <thoreauputic> Xer: funny, that's what I was thinking about you :)
[05:52] <Xer> my live cd scripte didnt work with 2.6
[05:52] <Xer> soo i get 2.4
[05:53] <Xer> ammmm
[05:53] <sproingie> Xer: you have to know how to use a system before you can distribute one
[05:53] <Xer> you think im clown?
[05:53] <Xer> and smokeing maybe ;)
[05:53] <sproingie> Xer: live cd's are complicated
[05:53] <Xer> nah its easy
[05:53] <Xer> i changed live cd scripte by my self
[05:53] <thoreauputic> Xer: you want to make a live CD and you don't know how to start KDE? Have fun...
[05:53] <Xer> and after i finshed
[05:53] <Xer> its worked
[05:53] <Xer> i get .iso
[05:53] <Xer> i changed thinges latter
[05:53] <Xer> and the new iso
[05:53] <Xer> wont  work with em ;] 
[05:54] <Xer> me*
[05:54] <sproingie> ehhh he just wants to burn a livecd i think
[05:54] <sproingie> Xer: google for kubuntu livecd
[05:54] <Xer> nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[05:54] <Xer> ha!
[05:54] <reon> thoreauputic, Sound works with normal headphones
[05:54] <raydogg> After running the livecd for a while, nothing opens, i can't right click and select "open terminal" or run any programs from the menu
[05:54] <dazed_> Xer: u making me giggle
[05:54] <Xer> i know
[05:54] <thoreauputic> sproingie: no, he's remastering
[05:54] <raydogg> happens on regular installs too
[05:54] <Xer> im clown :D
[05:54] <Xer> btw
[05:54] <Xer> i finshed kde ;] 
[05:54] <dmouritsendk> |daver|, tip: when recompiling the kernel, remember to check if HighMemorySupport(If u got >=1GBRAM) is enabled, it doesn't seem to be in most kernels as default and i cant count the times ive had to compile a kernel over again because i forgot to enable it :p
[05:55] <Xer> thans for not helping me :D
[05:55] <thoreauputic> reon: well, that's something :)
[05:55] <reon> I just wish I knew how to select the USB as default device
[05:55] <thoreauputic> Xer: thanks for telling us we know nothing ! :)
[05:55] <dazed_> helping start KDE?
[05:55] <Xer> np :)
[05:55] <jesuel> lol thor
[05:55] <jjpmr52> is there someone who could help me ?
[05:55] <Xer> mee mee mee
[05:55] <dazed_> its pretty easy u change one file and restart Xer
[05:55] <Xer> <--- me
[05:55] <sproingie> not i...
[05:56] <dazed_> i change 3 letter of one string in one file Xer....
[05:56] <jjpmr52> i have a choice to make Xer
[05:56] <dazed_> its not that complicated
[05:56] <thoreauputic> Xer: what is your new distro called, so I know not to try it? *grin*
[05:56] <Xer> ok
[05:56] <Xer> my new distroy is
[05:56] <Xer> is
[05:56] <Xer> live cd
[05:56] <Xer> with
[05:56] <Xer> cygwin on it [ kde on it ]  ;)
[05:56] <Xer> have fun :P
[05:57] <jesuel> lol
[05:57] <dazed_> so knoppix Xer?
[05:57] <dazed_> cuz thats what knoppix is
[05:57] <jjpmr52> what would choose between Gift Ml Donkey and Nicotine ?
[05:57] <thoreauputic> LOL Xer> my new distroy is  (how appropriate! )
[05:57] <dazed_> the 2.4 kernel with KDE
[05:57] <dazed_> good oen
[05:57] <Xer> konppix need alots of missing files
[05:57] <Xer> lol
[05:57] <Xer> distro
[05:57] <Xer> well
[05:57] <dazed_> lol
[05:57] <virtuald> i need something point-and-clicky for dvd-burning, what should i use?
[05:57] <dazed_> Xer: ur not doing anything new...ur not helping anythign why not just work on ur own computer
[05:58] <Xer> uh
[05:58] <Xer> good idea
[05:58] <thoreauputic> Xer: so it's really *up to date* with a 2.4 kernel and all? WOW
[05:58] <dazed_> instead of making live cds that exist
[05:58] <Xer> but this isnt my computer
[05:58] <Xer> soo im not scard to run virus on it
[05:58] <Xer> :D
[05:58] <dazed_> Kubuntu is Ubu with KDE and they have a live cd Knoppix is 2.4 kernel with KDE they have a live cd
[05:58] <dazed_> try it out
[05:58] <Xer> dazed
[05:58] <Xer> i know what it is
[05:58] <Xer> i read the site
[05:58] <Xer> :P
[05:58] <Xer> [hole the site] 
[05:59] <Xer> i ignored you jesysel :)
[05:59] <thoreauputic> Xer: could you use punctuation instead of your enter key?
[05:59] <Xer> nah
[05:59] <Xer> i have problem
[05:59] <dazed_> lol
[05:59] <thoreauputic> we know
[05:59] <Xer> i have 4 finger in my right hands
[05:59] <dazed_> with english? or computers?
[05:59] <Xer> and five inleft ;)
[05:59] <BobTheBreaker> Hey guys, got a quick question. I did a fresh Ubuntu install last night, and transferred over a copy of a custom web app that uses PEAR::Mail to send through an SMTP server. I've got PEAR installed, I can send just fine through Evolution on the same mail server, but whenever I try and send a mail through the php app...Just hangs forever. What am I, in all my boneheaded glory, missing here?
[06:00] <Xer> both
[06:00] <kaouete> gruumpf, the problem is appearing when it tries to run gdm : screen goes black and that's all, i can switch to console.
[06:00] <thoreauputic> dazed_: lobotomy, perhaps
[06:00] <jesuel> lol thor
[06:00] <dazed_> rawfles thor
[06:00] <dazed_> well shit i just realized i had class in 15 minutes
[06:01] <dazed_> im out
[06:01] <jesuel> ahh, god...copying huge files via nfs = the suck
[06:01] <dazed_> gl making something that exists for no reason Xer...peace guys
[06:02] <metalkaod> can someone tell me if the NXClient is on the livecd?  i can't find a listing of the packages for it
[06:02] <kaouete> graouh.
[06:03] <Xer> class :\
[06:03] <Xer> i have exam tomorooooooo :\
[06:03] <Xer> ammmmmmmm
[06:04] <Xer> i think you mistaked
[06:04] <Xer> you dont have to write my nick in that sentence
[06:05] <blizah> ive installed mplayer and would rather have it play movies instead of totem...how would i tell it which types of files to play..ive looked around on each and cant find the option
[06:05] <kaouete> after gdm is launched, install is finished ?
[06:06] <Tuxadermist> ATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.10-4-k7/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko): Invalid module format
[06:06] <Tuxadermist>   Good job on the updated kernel .........
[06:06] <reon> I cannot find any /etc/modules.conf, or /etc/modprobe.conf files ???
[06:07] <FlopsyPete> hi. I need to reset a root password for someone whose forgotten it. it worked fine with my Debian system editing /etc/shadow. it looks as tho Ubuntu does something different - where does it keep its passwords?
[06:07] <Xer> all lessten
[06:07] <Xer> wich one is better
[06:07] <Xer> kernel 2.6.10 or kernel 2.4.1
[06:07] <Xer> ?
[06:07] <kaouete> 2.6.10
[06:07] <kaouete> 2.4.1 is too old
[06:08] <Amaranth> FlopsyPete: Ubuntu doesn't have a root account by default.
[06:08] <tolstoy> Tuxadermist, i'm not sure why the developers don't wait for nvidia drivers, since so many people use them.
[06:08] <xamdm> FlopsyPete: just run a linux from a liveCD and chroot to the ubuntu system, then jou can use passwd
[06:08] <Xer> that what im going to use it
[06:08] <Amaranth> FlopsyPete: You can boot into recovery mode from grub and edit the file
[06:08] <reon> does ubuntu have /etc/modules.conf, or /etc/modprobe.conf files ???
[06:08] <Xer> thanks for help
[06:08] <Xer> :D
[06:08] <thoreauputic> Xer: 2.4.1 was recently dug up in an archaological expedition
[06:08] <reon> lol
[06:08] <Xer> thanks for information
[06:08] <Tuxadermist> I cant even backtrack ot the last kernel ?
[06:09] <Amaranth> 2.4.1 is from ~2000, isn't it?
[06:09] <kaouete> yes :)
[06:09] <jesuel> Amaranth: yea, thereabouts
[06:09] <tolstoy> Tuxadermist, I had to go with 2.6.10-3 to get a working X.
[06:09] <FlopsyPete> Amaranth: so perhaps the account thats been setup for the person using it has root priviliges? and I should enter their password even when logged inas them, for synaptic?
[06:09] <Xer> 2000!
[06:09] <Amaranth> FlopsyPete: Yeah.
[06:09] <Xer> im thinking to use 2.6.10 now
[06:09] <Xer> :D
[06:09] <Xer> but why its not working with me?
[06:09] <Amaranth> FlopsyPete: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[06:09] <blizah> anyone know how to tell mplayer to open all types of video viles?
[06:09] <FlopsyPete> Amaranth: thanks
[06:10] <Xer> i get block not work
[06:10] <thoreauputic> Xer: possibly because you lost your mind with your finger?
[06:10] <jesuel> lol
[06:10] <Maulkin> Lo all
[06:10] <Xer> mIRC SPy: jesuel is trying to version you
[06:10] <Xer> maybe
[06:10] <Xer> ;D
[06:11] <Xer> but i dont lost my mind
[06:11] <dmouritsendk> tolstoy, what version of the nvidia drivers are in the reps? i'm running 2.6.10 with the 1.0.6629 drivers on the this box (gentoo)
[06:11] <Xer> i lost my control on my fingers
[06:11] <Xer> :D
[06:11] <Xer> hahahaha
[06:11] <thoreauputic> Xer: thanks, I was trying too - now we all know
[06:11] <Maulkin> Got a question about the way that Debian packages are ported to Ubuntu
[06:11] <Xer> i dont know
[06:11] <Xer> whats you all know?
[06:11] <Maulkin> (I'm a Debian Developer, and have a received a bug, which I can't reproduce under Debian)
[06:11] <thoreauputic> Xer: your version, and that you are using windows
[06:12] <tolstoy> dmouritsendk, a new kernel today, but I don't think the nvidia drivers were properly compiled to work with it.  They're always the 6629 drivers.
[06:12] <Xer> really?
[06:12] <Xer> :D
[06:12] <Xer> there is samethinges
[06:12] <Xer> i write it
 mIRC SPy: jesuel is trying to version you
[06:12] <Cassandra> Hello.  Can anyone tell me why my warty system (upgraded from Debian stable) doesn't have a CDROM drive device (/dev/hdc doesn't exist)?
[06:12] <Xer> Xer :D
[06:12] <Xer> Xer hahahaha
[06:12] <Xer> * Cassandra_ has quit (Client Quit)
[06:12] <Xer> dmouritsendk tolstoy, what version of the nvidia drivers are in the reps? i'm running 2.6.10 with the 1.0.6629 drivers on the this box (gentoo)
[06:12] <Xer> thoreauputic Xer: thanks, I was trying too - now we all know
[06:12] <Xer> * Cassandra (~christi@213.78.97.185) has joined #ubuntu
[06:12] <Xer> Maulkin Got a question about the way that Debian packages are ported to Ubuntu
[06:12] <Xer> Xer i dont know
[06:13] <Xer> ah anyone know how to tell mplayer to open all types of video viles?
[06:13] <Xer> FlopsyPete Amaranth: thanks
[06:13] <Xer> * Received a CTCP VERSION from jesuel
[06:13] <Xer> Xer i get block not work
[06:13] <Xer> * Cassandra_ (~christi@213.78.97.185) has joined #ubuntu
[06:13] <Xer> thoreauputic Xer: possibly be
[06:13] <Xer> Xer * Received a CTCP VERSION from jesuel
[06:13] <Xer> Xer * Received a CTCP VERSION from jesuel
[06:13] <Xer> Xer * Received a CTCP VERSION from jesuel
[06:13] <tolstoy> linux-restricted-modules-k7 2.6.10-6
[06:13] <Xer> that ia
[06:13] <thoreauputic> Xer: stop NOW
[06:13] <Xer> that is
[06:13] <Xer> i know he was trying to know whats im useing now
[06:13] <Xer> soo i write it
[06:13] <Xer> :D
[06:13] <Xer> hahaha
[06:13] <thoreauputic> Xer: you should be kicked!
[06:13] <reon> can some check and see if they have /etc/modules.conf, or /etc/modprobe.conf files at all please ?
[06:13] <Xer> nah
[06:14] <thoreauputic> *sigh* time for /ignore
[06:14] <kaouete> is there special things to do when using ubuntu with i830 video card ??
[06:14] <thoreauputic> plonk
[06:14] <Maulkin> Basically, I'm wondering if teh standard .debs are used, or if some modification takes place, particularly with regards to the preinst and postrm scripts
[06:14] <Xer> lol
[06:14] <Xer> :D
[06:14] <Xer> ignoreing me
[06:14] <Xer> :D
[06:15] <Xer> * Ping reply from thoreauputic: 3.00 second(s)
[06:15] <Xer> blah
[06:15] <Xer> you didnt ignored me
[06:15] <Xer> :D
[06:15] <jesuel-> whoa weird. xchat bombed :(
[06:15] <Xer> hahahahaha
[06:15] <Tuxadermist> Like who releases a kernel without updateing the video drivers anyhow ?
[06:15] <thoreauputic> fabbione, mdz where are the ops?
[06:15] <Xer> BoooooooooooomB
[06:15] <scizzo> jdub: can you kick him?
[06:15] <Myrtti> thoreauputic: indeed
[06:15] <Xer> lol
[06:16] <Xer> mee
[06:16] <Xer> :D
[06:16] <Myrtti> ffs
[06:16] <fabbione> NotEvenXer: stop
[06:16] <NotEvenXer> what?
[06:16] <fabbione> it's not funny or nice
[06:16] <NotEvenXer> i just join now
[06:16] <scizzo> NotEvenXer: if you behave like that then you are not welcome
[06:16] <NotEvenXer> scizzo and you too
[06:16] <tolstoy> Tuxadermist, ubuntu!
[06:16] <NotEvenXer> :D
[06:17] <Maulkin> Or if there isn't anyone around, would the ubuntu-devel be the best place to post to?
[06:17] <scizzo> NotEvenXer: yeah you just joined....now type /quit oppss
[06:17] <thoreauputic> scizzo: I suggest we stop feeding the troll, and add to our /ignore lists
[06:18] <scizzo> thoreauputic: true.. :)
[06:18] <MrBehave> :D
[06:18] <MrBehave> <<-- he mean me
[06:18] <goldfish>  /kb
[06:18] <goldfish> tbh
[06:18] <Myrtti> good idea, but how about the newbies and the rest that join on the channel and don't know his act
[06:18] <Xer> and how i know
[06:18] <Xer> you are oped in this chan
[06:19] <Xer> can  i get voice? [ i will shut up i swer :D] 
[06:19] <Quest-Master> ahahaha.
[06:19] <Myrtti> fabbione: please.
[06:19] <netmonk> I'm using hoary, but upgraded from warty. sometimes when I log in i see the mounted devices, sometimes I don't even though they are mounted. is there a way i can fix that?
[06:20] <confrey> hi to everybody. I have just installed the hoary RC on my laptop!
[06:20] <Xer> Myrtti <- shut up are u trying to get my in problem [ banned ;)] 
[06:20] <confrey> what are the link for apt sources of packages?
[06:21] <jesuel-> ty fabbione
[06:21] <thoreauputic> fabbione: thanks
[06:21] <fabbione> i hate to ban in here
[06:21] <leonel> I've got this line  on my sources,list   deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty-security main restricted  universe
[06:21] <confrey> fabbione : are you Italian?
[06:21] <thoreauputic> fabbione: he was beyond the pale
[06:21] <fabbione> confrey: yes
[06:21] <leonel> and one package came from  security/universe   is it sage ?
[06:22] <neighborlee> trying to run my linux native games isn't bringing up any UI ( loki installer)..is this obtainable via apt ?
[06:22] <leonel> and one package came from  security/universe   is it safe ?
[06:22] <fabbioneFrnd> hi
[06:22] <Cassandra> Can anyone tell me why my warty system (upgraded from Debian stable) doesn't have a CDROM drive device (/dev/hdc doesn't exist) please?
[06:22] <fabbioneFrnd> Could i Talk in this buttiful chan?
[06:22] <fabbioneFrnd> :)
[06:22] <fabbione> ok.. apparently being nice isn't enough
[06:23] <reon> oh no, he's back...
[06:23] <fabbioneFrnd> yes i wasnt nice
[06:23] <fabbioneFrnd> now im   very very very nice
[06:23] <fabbioneFrnd> :D
[06:23] <fabbioneFrnd> im start my question with "could i "
[06:23] <jesuel> god, youre a jackass.
[06:23] <jesuel> go away.
[06:23] <dmouritsendk> hehehe :D
[06:23] <fabbioneFrnd> you can ask me to leave
[06:23] <fabbioneFrnd> :D
[06:23] <fabbioneFrnd> wait i get idea
[06:24] <fabbioneFrnd> brb
[06:24] <neighborlee> fabbioneFrnd, you could just ask and wait for assistance
[06:24] <jesuel> what do you think a kick is, and ban?
[06:24] <neighborlee> bizarre
[06:24] <jesuel> now youre just evading a ban
[06:24] <fabbione> NOT AGAIN
[06:24] <fabbione> DAMN BITCHX
[06:24] <fabbione> i need to change client
[06:24] <jesuel> fabbione: scrollz
[06:25] <goldfish> fabbione: use irssi
[06:25] <fabbione> yeah
[06:25] <fabbione> or that
[06:25] <simmerz> Hi, I'm currently a debian user, but I want to install a new system with EVMS right from the start. the debian evms-udeb doesn't work in the installer, so I am wondering if it does within ubuntu?
[06:25] <jesuel> ooops, i closed my controlling terminal
[06:25] <jesuel> fabbione, scrollz :)
[06:28] <BobTheBreaker> Slightly different question: What steps do I need to take to make PHP work with Postfix at all? Aside from setting the sendmail path in php.ini?
[06:29] <dmouritsendk> fabbione, you really dont want the responsibility huh ;p
[06:29] <fabbione> nah.. that's not it
[06:29] <blackstar> i need help...i installed free-java-sdk...i cant find out where the program is...how do i open it
[06:29] <simmerz> BobTheBreaker: not really a question for this channel. try #php
[06:30] <fabbione> i just keep forgetting to disable the "fortune cookies" on /kick
[06:30] <fabbione> and i get even more upset
[06:30] <GhostFreeman> Hey guys, I can't load my USB Drive
[06:30] <BobTheBreaker> simmerz: Thanks, I'll give it a go.
[06:30] <Tuxadermist> Well at least the Nvidia driver package from Nvidia compiled a driver ....
[06:30] <thoreauputic> fabbione: the last one was kind of appropriate, though ;)
[06:31] <jesuel> fortune cookies?
[06:31] <jesuel> oh, random kick messages
[06:36] <kaouete> well, looks like ubuntu installer isnt perfect, it failed to make X works with my video card, i dont know why, on debian all was perfect
[06:36] <kaouete> looks like i have to finish by hand
[06:37] <kaouete> i just hope that install was finished when gdm was started because my laptop crashed at this time
[06:38] <simmerz> so noone knows if i can set up evms while installing ubuntu?
[06:39] <confrey> I uninstalled evolution from hoary RC, how cna I install v.2.0 of evolution?
[06:40] <dmouritsendk> simmerz, Im 90% certain that u can, i used lvm2 for the ubuntu my test install and im almost certain that the diskpreperation part had also had a EVMS setup tool
[06:41] <simmerz> the debian install has an EVMS setup tool, but it doesn't work
[06:41] <dmouritsendk> simmerz, boot the install cd and see if it does to be certain :p
[06:41] <dmouritsendk> simmerz, ok
[06:41] <simmerz> true
[06:41] <simmerz> also, if installing on AMD64, are there prepackaged 32bit libs? or do i still need to chroot?
[06:42] <jono> hi, does anyone know how I can add a delete command for right mouse button in gnome?
[06:42] <kaouete> there is, no ?
[06:42] <kaouete> if there is only a button to put in trash
[06:43] <kaouete> you can add a direct deletect i think in gnome conf, or nautilus conf
[06:43] <kaouete> doesnt rememeber
[06:43] <jono> k
[06:43] <kaouete> oulala, i have problem to write ^^
[06:43] <jono> where is gnome.conf?
[06:43] <Chipzz> kaouete: you is speaking with big haar derauf :P
[06:43] <kaouete> :)
[06:44] <dmouritsendk> jono, maybe you add "rm" to the open with menu :D (joke!)
[06:44] <raydogg> http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/03/11/atlanta.shooting/index.html
[06:44] <kaouete> jono: it's not gnome.conf but the gnome configuration
[06:44] <kaouete> in the menus
[06:44] <thoreauputic> jono: file management prefs >> Include a delete command
[06:45] <thoreauputic> jono: under desktop prefernces
[06:45] <thoreauputic> *preferences
[06:45] <HillTop> fabbione: the last one was a keeper LOL
[06:46] <jono> thoreauputic thanks so much! :)
[06:46] <thoreauputic> jono: you're welcome :)
[06:46] <firdel> god damn americans.... allways shooting somebody
[06:47] <thoreauputic> firdel: what prompted that comment?
[06:47] <firdel> the cnn article
[06:47] <thoreauputic> firdel: link?
[06:47] <firdel> http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/03/11/atlanta.shooting/index.html
[06:48] <firdel> im form a little country, Denmark, in europe. Alle news we get from the states is violence thius and violence that
[06:49] <jono> firdel, that is all the news we americans have got for the last 50 years, thus why america is the most violent country of all
[06:49] <firdel> :l
[06:49] <netmonk> firdel, that's what makes the news
[06:49] <firdel> i lived there once
[06:49] <firdel> in 86', for a year
[06:49] <netmonk> "there is no news like the bad news!"
[06:50] <firdel> michael mores point exactly
[06:50] <firdel> scare em, scare em good, they will do as we like
[06:51] <jono> Michael Moore made excellent points in both "Bowling for Columbine" and "Fareignheit 9/11"
[06:51] <Quest-Master> Holy crap
[06:51] <firdel> oh well.. i gotta go bake some none violent bread in the oven
[06:51] <Quest-Master> I live really close to that courthouse
[06:52] <dmouritsendk> firdel,  in all fairness , i bet there's more to the american political situration than michael more covers in his films. I think he have made some good films, especially columbine. but damn he's biased.
[06:52] <dmouritsendk> firdel,  btw. jeg er ogs? fra et lille land i europa :p
[06:52] <Myrtti> English, please.
[06:53] <bryan> anyone know of a good direct connect client?
[06:53] <thoreauputic> dmouritsendk: biased, yes - but there aren't a lot of voices for opposition being heard these days
[06:53] <mkp> hmm, looks like this channel is being 0wn3d by Danes
[06:53] <Lemon> :D
[06:54] <bryan> you guys keep getting those gay "free sms now!!!" messages too?
[06:55] <bryan> i just went to the head and came back to 4 of them
[06:56] <dmouritsendk> thoreauputic, I'm not at all qualified to comment on the socialstructure/political situration of america, but i think its incredibly obvious that more hates bush (who indeed are very hateable). making it hard for me to take his(moore) crituque of bush for anything less than political probaganda
[06:56] <thoreauputic> bryan: not seeing them here
[06:56] <dmouritsendk> more hates == moore hates :p
[06:57] <thoreauputic> dmouritsendk: he doesn't only comment on bush etc - he has a general agenda to raise consciousness of idiocy :)
[06:57] <bryan> bowling for columbine was good
[06:57] <abcd1234> Is anyone good with X configuration in Ubuntu?
[06:57] <dmouritsendk> bryan, agree
[06:58] <thoreauputic> abcd1234: nah, nobody at all - we all believe in using CLI for *everything* ;-)
[06:58] <abcd1234> lol
[06:58] <scizzo> abcd1234: ask your question....
[06:58] <bryan> hey, lets gather up all our IRA friennds and storm into a town that's just been devistated, and hold a PRO gun rally
[06:58] <bryan> what a bunch of idiots
[06:58] <scizzo> abcd1234: just ask instead of asking about a specific person
[06:59] <scizzo> bryan: could this subject go outside of the channel? IMHO its a bit offtopic..?
[06:59] <bryan> no
[06:59] <dazed_> yt0
[06:59] <bryan> it's over
[06:59] <jesuel> it could, perhaps take it to #ubuntuforums or a private message.
[06:59] <thoreauputic> abcd1234: lynx, irssi and vi - why would you need X ? </joke>
[06:59] <jesuel> or over, either way.
[07:00] <abcd1234> I had installed Ubuntu's "Warty" version on an older comp that has an S3 Savage4 AGP card in and it detected it and worked fine in X without issues.  I later wiped that install then tried out the Hoary release and when X loads I get vertical streaks spaced out about a quarter to half an inch apart all over the screen when X loads.
[07:00] <bryan> :0
[07:00] <bryan> that's no good
[07:00] <GhostFreeman> Guys, my USB Flash drive is not being detected by Ubuntu
[07:00] <GhostFreeman> so I can't even boot it. What do I do now?
[07:01] <abcd1234> Any ideas on what might be up with the new Hoary preview release's X that didn't happen in the older one?
[07:01] <bryan> xfree>xorg
[07:01] <thoreauputic> abcd1234: well, it's xorg and not xfree86
[07:01] <abcd1234> But the hardware support should be the same right?  Like X.org supporting XFree86's hardware?
[07:01] <dmouritsendk> thoreauputic, agree with ur x considerations. today, even mplayer can render to a terminal with glorious acsii output
[07:01] <thoreauputic> bryan: oops sorry didn't look :)
[07:02] <dmouritsendk> thoreauputic, :p
[07:02] <thoreauputic> dmouritsendk: indeed, and you can do fractals in ascii as well ;-)
[07:02] <bryan> dmouritsendk:  mplayer will play a video in a terminal in ascii?
[07:02] <bryan> that's ffffffing cool
[07:03] <jesuel> yup
[07:03] <thoreauputic> bryan: cool but pointless
[07:03] <bryan> but, still cool.
[07:03] <jesuel> and aatv will play tv card input in a terminal
[07:03] <thoreauputic> :)
[07:03] <jesuel> but once again, pointless
[07:03] <thoreauputic> like apt-get moo  ;)
[07:03] <bryan> sometimes, something being pointless is the only basis for it being cool
[07:04] <dmouritsendk> POINTLESS? with out that feature stuff like http://onyx.chattanoogastate.edu/~jack/matrix/ wouldnt be possible.. just think what the world would be missing
[07:04] <bryan> omfg, there's a dvdr of it
[07:04] <bryan> someone has WAY too much time
[07:05] <bryan> *downloads*
[07:05] <Lupius> How can i add a (custom?) splash image to GRUB?
[07:05] <thoreauputic>          (__)
[07:05] <thoreauputic>          (oo)
[07:05] <thoreauputic>    /------\/
[07:05] <thoreauputic>   / |    ||
[07:05] <thoreauputic>  *  /\---/\
[07:05] <thoreauputic>     ~~   ~~
[07:05] <thoreauputic> ...."Have you mooed today?"...
[07:05] <thoreauputic> oops sorry for the flood :)
[07:05] <jesuel> lol
[07:06] <jesuel> [S+Z]  PUBLIC flooding detected from thoreauputic
[07:06] <jesuel>       (~debianarc@wolax7-156.dialup.optusnet.com.au)
[07:06] <bryan> he's an aussie, he can't control himself
[07:06] <thoreauputic> jesuel: aaaargh! ( dons tinfoil hat)
[07:06] <LinuxJones> Lupius, in gdmsetup
[07:06] <thoreauputic> bryan: blood oath, mate
[07:07] <LinuxJones> Lupius, scratch that
[07:07] <jesuel> heh tis funny, someone starts public flooding, i get this menu asking if i want to ignore them
[07:07] <bryan> jesuel:  client?
[07:07] <Lupius> LinuxJones in gdmsetp.... so what to tweak there
[07:08] <jesuel> If youre oped, will ask you if you want to kick them, if +O, /kill them
[07:08] <thoreauputic> jesuel: at your peril! *grin*
[07:08] <jesuel> bryan, scrollz :)
[07:08] <jesuel> thoreauputic, I wouldnt ignore ya, Youre not a jackass like xer
[07:08] <jesuel> lol :)
[07:08] <bryan> has he been back?
[07:08] <jesuel> nope
[07:08] <thoreauputic> jesuel: no, I'm a different kind of jackass ;-)
[07:09] <thoreauputic> he was pretty thoroughly banned...
[07:09] <jesuel> thoreauputic, well you dont bug me so. yah :)
[07:09] <thoreauputic> :)
[07:09] <bryan> you can do /whowas xer
[07:09] <bryan> cool
[07:09] <jesuel> ya
[07:10] <bryan> woah, today is friday
[07:10] <jesuel> yah.
[07:10] <thoreauputic> bryan: I'm way ahead of you
[07:10] <thoreauputic> Sat Mar 12 05:10:34 EST 2005
[07:10] <bryan> thoreauputic:  probably about 12 hours
[07:10] <jesuel> hmm wtf
[07:10] <jesuel> why does my laptop think its 11:10am and my cable box think its 10:10
[07:10] <jesuel> wtf
[07:11] <thoreauputic> jesuel: sudo /etc/init.d/ntpdate restart
[07:11] <jesuel> daylight savings time isnt till first sunday of april
[07:12] <jesuel> whoa
[07:12] <jesuel> tzconfig thinks im in denver now
[07:12] <jesuel> why...
[07:13] <jesuel> fixed that
[07:13] <jesuel> silly computer
[07:14] <Lemon> is there a repository where i can install videolan from?
[07:15] <Ti_Uhl> hello
[07:15] <Decayer> Lemon, debian unstable
[07:15] <Ti_Uhl> how do i update my warty release to an hoary
[07:15] <Ti_Uhl> :)
[07:15] <bryan> vlc works way better then totem
[07:15] <bryan> in totem, if i try to move a video ahead like a minute
[07:15] <bryan> the video freezes
[07:16] <jesuel> personally I like xine
[07:16] <Lemon> well.. i don't think any of the others will play HDTV
[07:16] <jazzka> hi!
[07:16] <jazzka> I have corrupted my /boot partition, is there any way to restore/ reinstall it?
[07:16] <jesuel> Although vlc is usefull for grabbing my tvcard input off my server box and displaying it on my laptop
[07:16] <thoreauputic> Decayer, Lemon, vlc is in universe
[07:17] <Ti_Uhl> if i want to upgrade to hoary i just have to edit the apt sources ?
[07:17] <Lemon> oh.. it is :)
[07:17] <Lemon> i was searching for 'videolan'
[07:17] <bryan> Ti_Uhl:  then sudo apt-get update
[07:17] <Mel_> Hiya people
[07:17] <bryan> then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:17] <jesuel> Ti_Uhl, edit apt sources. sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:18] <bryan> or you could do it jesuel's way
[07:19] <Albacker> how do I set, so that my linux doesnt start gdm anymore. I'll have only the terminal-user-pass-prompt.
[07:19] <Albacker> there was a file so I changed the defaul runlevel from 5 to 3.
[07:19] <jesuel> or, just do: sudo sed -e 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -y dist-upgrade
[07:19] <crimsun> Albacker: sudo rm /etc/init.d/rc2.d
[07:19] <crimsun> Albacker: Ubuntu, like Debian, doesn't play runlevel games. 2-5 are identical.
[07:20] <bryan> showoff
[07:20] <crimsun> Albacker: err, sorry, forget that rm command
[07:20] <airox_> Does anybody know what could be the problem when i loaded the irda modules but lspci doesn't show anything that resembles the irda ?
[07:20] <jesuel> bryan, :)
[07:20] <jazzka> please, how can I reinstall the entire /boot partition? help ;)
[07:20] <crimsun> Albacker: what I meant was: sudo rm /etc/rc2.d/*gdm
[07:20] <Albacker> crimsun, so what should I do. I cant set it to boot in 3.
[07:21] <airox_> can i delete the symlinks for the lvm and raid if i am not using those services ???
[07:21] <crimsun> Albacker: change /etc/inittab back to default to runlevel 2
[07:21] <Albacker> ok thanks crimsun
[07:21] <jesuel> bryan, sed is such a uber command :)
[07:21] <jnk> airox_,  lspci output doesn't depend on loaded modules
[07:22] <airox_> jnk, Well then it isn't there :(
[07:22] <crimsun> jesuel: passing -y to apt-get is generally a bad idea
[07:22] <jnk> airox_, let me see... I don't see mine either
[07:23] <jesuel> crimsun: true. But its a easy way to go from warty to hoary
[07:23] <jesuel> :)
[07:23] <airox_> jnk, What could be the problem then?
[07:25] <thoreauputic> jazzka: what dastardly deed have you done to your /boot partition ?
[07:25] <reon_> Do you get a sound config utility for Ubuntu ?
[07:25] <Alver> Howdy. Could someone tell me how "complete" the package set on the ubuntu install cd is?
[07:25] <jnk> airox_, maybe I've disabled it in the bios
[07:26] <Alver> As in, I'm planning to install it on a machine that has no network worth mentioning
[07:26] <thoreauputic> Alver: probably depends what you want to use it for
[07:26] <chlunde> Hmf, I have a SATA disk and PATA CD-ROM, and modprobe -r ata-piix; modprobe -r libata; modprobe ide-generic; modprobe ata-piix; kindof works, but the last command makes the kernel Oops.. :(  (On the preview CD)
[07:26] <Seveas> Alver, depends on what you need...
[07:26] <reon_> Alver, pretty complete, but I think you will still need acces to the need
[07:26] <jnk> airox_, I'll reboot to check it
[07:26] <reon_> net
[07:26] <jazzka> thoreauputic, I have installed Hoary's /boot on warty's /boot partition. So now, the system wont boot
[07:27] <Alver> thoreauputic: very basic stuff. I'd need OpenOffice, some lightweight desktop (xfce or so)  - that's pretty much it
[07:27] <Alver> Well, cups, of course
[07:27] <Seveas> Alver, those are on the CD
[07:27] <firdel> hey what a good image editor, something like photoshop, only free.. i need to crop some pictures :d
[07:27] <Alver> But nothing too special. I just didn't want to get me plain debian since that's a complete pain to run without apt-get mirrors.
[07:27] <thoreauputic> Alver: gnome is the default, but you can install others from the net
[07:27] <Myrtti> gimp
[07:27] <Alver> Crap... only from the net?
[07:27] <firdel> ok
[07:27] <djst> i have a problem with alsa sound... anyone good at this?
[07:27] <firdel> fanx
[07:28] <thoreauputic> Alver: well, maybe it has twm...
[07:28] <Seveas> Alver, you can try Kubuntu
[07:28] <djst> ubuntu seems to think i have lots of sound cards (my web cam is identified as one, for example)
[07:28] <Seveas> it has KDE
[07:28] <Alver> hrm...
[07:28] <djst> the problem is that my REAL sound card is not the default
[07:28] <djst> so sound events in gnome doesn't work
[07:28] <Alver> Seveas, thoreauputic: it's for a rather low-end machine. It can't handle gnome nor KDE.
[07:28] <djst> but i can configure xmnms so the sound works in that program
[07:28] <tolstoy> are the nvidia drivers still wonky?
[07:28] <thoreauputic> Alver: debian would be a better choice, probably
[07:29] <reon_> djst, join the club :(
[07:29] <Alver> thoreauputic: woody is obsolete and sarge doesn't come on cds :)
[07:29] <Seveas> Alver, then you really need the net to install a smaller WM
[07:29] <thoreauputic> Alver: although the wm would be an issue
[07:29] <Alver> Darn. Off to find another solution then. :/
[07:29] <crimsun> djst: there's a very easy solution to that.
[07:29] <crimsun> djst: describe which sound cards you have
[07:29] <thoreauputic> Alver: damn small linux (fluxbox) :)
[07:30] <jesuel> dsl is nice
[07:30] <Alver> tolstoy: the drivers never were 'wonky', they just don't work on mx/tnt chipsets
[07:30] <djst> crimsun:  it's an ac97 onboard sound card
[07:30] <djst> crimsun:  i think i can figure out what module is using it
[07:30] <Alver> heh, that's an idea.
[07:30] <crimsun> djst: could you be more descriptive, possibly the line from lspci -v ?
[07:30] <reon_> djst, http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=TroubleShooting
[07:30] <djst> crimsun:  snd_intel8x0
[07:30] <djst> crimsun:  that's the name of the module
[07:30] <crimsun> djst: right, and your other?
[07:30] <Alver> Well, thanks for the info, people.
[07:30] <thoreauputic> Alver: or Vector Linux ( but that's Slack based)
[07:31] <tolstoy> Alver, I meant, with the today's hoary kernel, the associated restricted drivers are broken.
[07:31] <firdel> whats with the "error reading from notification server" i get when signin on msn with GAIM
[07:31] <thoreauputic> Alver: Vector is a nice distro for low-end machines
[07:31] <Seveas> firdel, msn is flaky at this moment...
[07:31] <djst> crimsun:  i only have one sound card... it's an integrated sound card in the mother board, ac97 compatigble
[07:32] <firdel> should i update gaim, or is it MS fidling with users not using their software....
[07:32] <crimsun> djst: is your web cam a usb one?
[07:32] <djst> crisum lspci doesn't give me any info about the sound card..
[07:32] <huami> hi!
[07:32] <Alver> thoreauputic: I'll keep that in mind, thanks for the hint
[07:32] <djst> crimsun:  yes!
[07:32] <chlunde> Is there a way to prevent the hotplut stuff on the preview installer CD?
[07:32] <crimsun> djst: then no, you have 2 sound cards.
[07:32] <Seveas> hi huami
[07:33] <djst> crimsun:  ok, but windows is smart enough to choose the right one right away ;)
[07:33] <djst> crimsun:  so how to i specify which card should be the default sound card?
[07:33] <reon_> djst,  enter  aplay -l
[07:33] <huami> when I try to remove openoffice in synaptic it wants to remove also ubuntu-desktop. how to remove openoffice wihtout removing ubuntu-desktop ?
[07:33] <reon_> yes please how do you do that ?
[07:33] <Seveas> huami, you cannot
[07:34] <thoreauputic> huami: ubuntu-desktop is a dummy package
[07:34] <Seveas> but removing ubuntu-desktop isn't bad
[07:34] <Seveas> it is merely a meta-package
[07:34] <djst> **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices ****
[07:34] <djst> card 1: ICH5 [Intel ICH5] , device 0: Intel ICH [Intel ICH5] 
[07:34] <djst>   Subdevices: 1/1
[07:34] <djst>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[07:34] <djst> card 1: ICH5 [Intel ICH5] , device 4: Intel ICH - IEC958 [Intel ICH5 - IEC958] 
[07:34] <djst>   Subdevices: 1/1
[07:34] <thoreauputic> huami: losing it won't hurt
[07:34] <crimsun> djst: echo "options snd-usb-audio index=-2" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[07:34] <djst>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[07:34] <Seveas> not a dummy package thoreauputic
[07:34] <huami> Seveas: ok, thanks
[07:34] <thoreauputic> Seveas: *sigh* OK be pedantic if you wish
[07:34] <crimsun> djst: I presume this is on Hoary.
[07:35] <djst> yes
[07:35] <MaxeyPad> How do I enable 4 channel sound in linux?  I'm using ubuntu and only my 2 front speakers actually get output
[07:35] <djst> crimsun:  what does that line do exactly?
[07:35] <MaxeyPad> /topic
[07:35] <crimsun> MaxeyPad: you need to tell your audio apps to use plug:surround40
[07:36] <crimsun> djst: it tells ALSA to prefer other cards over your usb web cam
[07:36] <MaxeyPad> well, lets say i'm using beep, where would I change that
[07:36] <thoreauputic> Seveas: I use the word "dummy" because most people understand it, whereas "meta" is not easily understood by non-geeks
[07:36] <reon_> crimsun, when I execute the command nothing happens, just hangs
[07:36] <Seveas> thoreauputic, but dummy is plain wrong!
[07:36] <Seveas> it is a package with very nice functionality
[07:36] <Seveas> depending on all standard ubuntu stuff :)
[07:36] <crimsun> reon_: what command?
[07:37] <djst> crimsun:  thanks.. i added the line manually to the file.. how do i restart alsa without rebooting?
[07:37] <thoreauputic> Seveas: I think this is an argument about English usage, not operating systems
[07:37] <reon_> sudo tee...
[07:37] <crimsun> reon_: you need the entire command
[07:37] <Seveas> thoreauputic, I don't but let's not fight over it, there are more important things :o)
[07:38] <djst> trying /etc/init.d/alsa restart...
[07:38] <reon_> crimsun, yes i did use the entire command
[07:38] <crimsun> djst: no
[07:38] <crimsun> djst: use force-reload
[07:38] <reon_> crimsun, may i dcc you ?
[07:38] <crimsun> reon_: it doesn't hang when you use the entire command
[07:39] <thoreauputic> Seveas: I merely insist that the use of "dummy" in this context is not "plain wrong" but idiomatic
[07:39] <MaxeyPad> so I gather regular OSS doesn't support 4.1?
[07:39] <djst> crimsun:  that didn't solve the problem... USB is still at the top of thel list, the correct card being number 5
[07:39] <crimsun> MaxeyPad: 4.1? use plug:surround41
[07:39] <reon_> crimsun, sorry i'm a idiot
[07:39] <crimsun> djst: you have to unload them all, then reload them
[07:40] <Seveas> thoreauputic, "dummy" packages are packages without functionality, like the java-common package. Meta packages have the functionality of keeping the list of recommended stuff up-to-date
[07:40] <djst> crimsun:  i'll try rebooting then, don't know how to unload modules on the fly
[07:40] <djst> crimsun:  thanks, brb
[07:40] <Seveas> so they really are different
[07:40] <Seveas> djst
[07:40] <jnk> airox_, it was disabled. It doesn't show up in lspci but it does work
[07:40] <Seveas> damn, too late
[07:41] <MaxeyPad> crimsun: I understand that, but where do I set it though
[07:41] <thoreauputic> Seveas: I understand the difference: we are often speaking to people who don't, and "dummy" in the sense of "not needed" is quite clear to them
[07:41] <crimsun> MaxeyPad: in b-m-p's preferences, configure the alsa output plugin to use the plug:surround41 device
[07:41] <LinuxJones> MaxeyPad, I had 4.1 with a SB Live Value like 4 years ago
[07:41] <MaxeyPad> Okay, so I guess I need to use alsa...I'm using OSS right now
[07:41] <crimsun> MaxeyPad: in other words, type it in
[07:41] <thoreauputic> Seveas: but as you say, not worth an extended discussion :)
[07:42] <Seveas> :)
[07:42] <jcoventry> hello
[07:42] <Seveas> hai
[07:42] <jcoventry> how do i log in as root in ubuntu
[07:42] <LinuxJones> MaxeyPad, I was using the digital audio connection into my Cambridge speaker system
[07:42] <Seveas> you dont
[07:42] <airox_> jcoventry, You can't.
[07:42] <Seveas> Ubuntu uses sudo
[07:42] <jcoventry> ok well,
[07:42] <jcoventry> how can i change the usr folder ?
[07:42] <jcoventry> because it is owned by root
[07:43] <Myrtti> sudo chmod
[07:43] <Seveas> you CAN create a root account, but usally you don't need to
[07:43] <airox_> sudo passwd root ;)
[07:43] <crimsun> wait, why would you want to chown /usr ?
[07:43] <Seveas> jcoventry, use sudo in front of the actual command
[07:43] <jcoventry> k
[07:43] <Seveas> but why change usr??
[07:43] <Seveas> and in what way??
[07:43] <jcoventry> to add some stuff for a theme
[07:43] <crimsun> no, add them to your $HOME
[07:43] <thoreauputic> jcoventry: wrong approach...
[07:44] <jcoventry> the Read me tells me to add them to usr
[07:44] <Seveas> then use sudo
[07:44] <jcoventry> k
[07:44] <Seveas> to get a root shell: type sudo -s
[07:44] <chlunde> Can I diable hwdetect and/or hotplug on the Hoary preview CD?
[07:44] <justaguy> why not just use root shell to begin with?
[07:45] <Seveas> chlunde, why would you want that?
[07:45] <heze> hello
[07:45] <Seveas> hello heze & Arnald
[07:45] <chlunde> Seveas: Because the SATA-driver captures the resources used by my PATA CD-ROM, so I need to load ide-generic before I load ata-piix (the SATA driver)
[07:46] <tolstoy-> FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.10-4-686-smp/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko): Invalid module format
[07:46] <heze> tolstoy-, my problem exactly :D
[07:46] <chlunde> Seveas: When I remove ata-piix and load it again I get an oops, so I would like to try to *never* load it.
[07:46] <tolstoy-> heze, how can that happen?
[07:46] <jcoventry> ok i'm at /usr in the root terminal now
[07:46] <jcoventry> now what
[07:46] <heze> tolstoy-, i've no idea.
[07:46] <tolstoy-> heze, bad packaging, maybe
[07:47] <heze> tolstoy-, probably, i'm booting to 2.6.8 to check if it works there
[07:47] <Seveas> chlunde, is it a livecd or an installation?
[07:47] <fortran01> what is the dialup tool for gnome? equivalent of kppp?
[07:47] <chlunde> Seveas: Install
[07:47] <tolstoy-> heze, the next down on my boot list is 2.6.10-3, and I know that works.
[07:47] <Seveas> then blacklist the SATA driver
[07:47] <Seveas> and let it be modprobed later
[07:47] <chlunde> Seveas: How?  It's under installation..
[07:48] <heze> tolstoy-, my 2.6.8 doesn't work either.
[07:48] <chlunde> Seveas: It's already loaded before I get a shell on alt-f2
[07:48] <jason> anyone one know where i can tell ubuntu to not load certain modules?
[07:48] <Seveas> chlunde, add it to /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[07:48] <Seveas> and reboot :)
[07:48] <chlunde> Make a new CD?
[07:48] <Seveas> no
[07:48] <chlunde> Bah, I should've gotten a CD-RW.
[07:48] <Seveas> oww
[07:48] <Seveas> wait
[07:48] <Seveas> you still need to install it...
[07:48] <tolstoy-> heze, I think that NONE of the kernel developers actually have an nvidia card.
[07:48] <Seveas> now i get it :)
[07:48] <chlunde> ;)
[07:48] <airox_> I love the ubuntu update manager (and applet) !!
[07:48] <crimsun> jason: see what Seveas said regarding /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[07:49] <heze> tolstoy-, any ideas? self compiled kernel with nvidia-installer? :)
[07:49] <jason> cool thanks
[07:49] <tritium> wow, mount doesn't recognize iso9660 anymore
[07:49] <chlunde> Seveas: I think I'll try a Woody CD, (Warty didn't work either)
[07:49] <Seveas> chlunde, file a bug report too
[07:49] <tritium> mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom /media/cdrom0/
[07:49] <tritium> mount: unknown filesystem type 'iso9660'
[07:49] <chlunde> Seveas: Yes, I'll do that
[07:49] <crimsun> tritium: probably easier to use pmount
[07:49] <Seveas> than they know about the bug and they can solve it
[07:49] <tolstoy-> heze, check out the ubuntuforums.com (or .org).  They've given up and suggest installing the drivers "by hand" from the nvidia download.
[07:49] <kaouete> when will 2.6.11 included in hoary ?
[07:49] <crimsun> tritium: pmount /dev/cdrom something
[07:49] <Seveas> kaouete, no
[07:50] <tritium> crimsun, I'll try...
[07:50] <tolstoy-> heze, the other thing to do is file a bug report for ubuntu.
[07:50] <tritium> thanks
[07:50] <kaouete> Seveas: no like never ?
[07:50] <crimsun> kaouete: it's in universe, but hoary will ship with 2.6.10 by default.
[07:50] <Seveas> indeed
[07:50] <kaouete> ok
[07:50] <Seveas> 2.6.11 is not a stable version
[07:50] <heze> tolstoy-, mm yeah, i'm too lazy for bug reports =( my 2nd day with ubuntu anyways.
[07:50] <tritium> crimsun, same result
[07:50] <heze> should've not gone hoary :P
[07:51] <Seveas> heze, if you have never used linux: go warty
[07:51] <crimsun> tritium: which kernel are you running?
[07:51] <tolstoy-> heze, but it mostly works most of the time.  pretty much only has a prob with a kernel update, it seems.
[07:51] <Seveas> hoary is for daring souls :)
[07:51] <heze> seveas, i've used it quite a lot w/o graphical environment
[07:51] <crimsun> tritium: (according to the date from uname -a)
[07:51] <abraham_> ja
[07:51] <abraham_> Hola
[07:51] <abraham_> como estan
[07:51] <abraham_> =)
[07:51] <tritium> crimsun, Linux tritium 2.6.10-4-686 #1 Thu Mar 10 03:16:32 GMT 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[07:51] <justaguy> upgraded yesterday, everything seems ok
[07:52] <crimsun> tritium: 25.2, then?
[07:52] <tritium> crimsun, let me check
[07:52] <heze> tolstoy-, i've a riva128 on pci slot too, could it confuse something?
[07:52] <Seveas> kaouete, kernels with odd numbers like 2.6.11 or 2.6.13 are unstable
[07:52] <Seveas> the even numbered ones are stable
[07:52] <heze> seveas, since when?
[07:52] <heze> did they change numbering :o
[07:52] <tolstoy-> heze, don't know. if it worked before today's update, I'd say no, and I don't have that setup and get the same prob.
[07:52] <crimsun> heze: the binary-only nvidia kernel does not work with the riva128 chipsets
[07:52] <kaouete> ho, is it like that even for the third number ? i have never though about it ^^
[07:53] <crimsun> Seveas: you mean the kernel major version.
[07:53] <Seveas> (or my memory is flaky, haven't done a lot of kernel stuff lately..)
[07:53] <heze> crimsun, i'm trying to get X running on TI-4200
[07:53] <tolstoy-> crimsun, that's not what he meant, I don't think.
[07:53] <kaouete> ^^
[07:53] <crimsun> Seveas: 2.3, 2.5, ... are devel
[07:53] <Seveas> ah ok
[07:53] <Seveas> sorry :)
[07:53] <kaouete> i dont think it's the case for the third one ^^
[07:53] <tritium> crimsun, 2.6.10-25 something.  I can't tell for sure since there was an update installed today that I haven't rebooted with
[07:54] <tritium> the update is 2.6.10-26
[07:54] <tritium> but I'm not running that yet
[07:54] <firdel> is it possible to make xine chew on .wmv files ?
[07:54] <kaouete> and why there is no gpm nor apt-file, auto-apt package in ubuntu ? do i have to use universe for that ?
[07:54] <tritium> firdel, yes.
[07:54] <firdel> oh thank god
[07:54] <firdel> tritium, enligthen me :)
[07:54] <crimsun> kaouete: yes
[07:54] <justaguy> uname -a gives current running kernel version, right?
[07:55] <crimsun> justaguy: yes
[07:55] <kaouete> ok
[07:55] <Seveas> kaouete, at least apt-file is in universe
[07:55] <Seveas> dunno about the rest
[07:55] <kaouete> ok
[07:55] <tritium> firdel, you need to install w32codecs
[07:55] <tritium> crimsun, brb -- phone call
[07:55] <kaouete> and universe is well integrated with ubuntu packages ?
[07:55] <justaguy> 'cause I just updated recently, installed / upgraded after updating to hoary from warty yesterday
[07:55] <reon_> crimsun, how do i determine what audio module i'm using ?
[07:55] <crimsun> kaouete: degree varies
[07:55] <firdel> tritium, ill look into it right away
[07:55] <justaguy> kernel update today
[07:55] <kaouete> ok
[07:55] <Seveas> kaouete, usually yes
[07:55] <kaouete> thanks for your help :)
[07:55] <crimsun> reon_: cat /proc/asound/modules
[07:56] <Seveas> and auto-apt and gpm also are in universe according to my cache :)
[07:56] <jason> thanks guys for the blacklist thing, my box is running slick now :)
[07:56] <justaguy> uname -a has me at ubuntu 2.6.10-4-686, is that right?
[07:56] <reon_> crimsun, thnks ! Why would the mod be snd_intel8x0 if I have a nvidia chipset mb ?
[07:56] <crimsun> justaguy: yes, but the packaging revision is more of concern
[07:57] <crimsun> reon_: because the sound driver uses the ac97 portion, which the snd-intel8x0 driver provides along with snd-ac97-codec
[07:57] <justaguy> oh yea, thanks crimsun
[07:57] <sanitario> Has anyone been having troubles with k3b when trying to write audio cds, or is it just me?
[07:58] <bryan> i use gnomebaker
[07:58] <Coily> can someone give me an idea as to why firefox has started opening under the process name "sh" and taking up 200mb of memory
[07:58] <djst> crimsun:  thanks, the problem's solved!
[07:58] <bryan> works like a charm
[07:58] <reon_> crimsun, thnks ! Whis I ran in to you earlier :)
[07:58] <crimsun> djst: np
[07:58] <Seveas> Coily, not really
[07:58] <thoreauputic> sanitario: it's just you (joking)
[07:58] <tolstoy-> justaguy, new kernel has "invalid" nvidia modules (well, the restricted package).
[07:58] <Seveas> but does firefox still do something, or does it just hang
[07:58] <djst> crimsun:  one question though: the system seems to prefer OSS mixers instead of ASLA
[07:58] <sanitario> it tells me: "Error while decoding audio tracks"
[07:58] <crimsun> Coily: "has started?" It always has. firefox is a shell script.
[07:58] <firdel> tritium, perhaps you know a way to make beep-media-player suck on .m4a audio files. i have several albums in that encoding :l
[07:59] <djst> crimsun:  is that something to be concerned with or is it irrelevant?
[07:59] <Coily> crimsun, yes but ive seen it under the name firefox-bin
[07:59] <Coily> until recently
[07:59] <crimsun> djst: it's fairly irrelevant. Are you speaking of GNOME's Volume Control?
[07:59] <crimsun> Coily: that's the actual executable
[07:59] <tritium> crimsun, I'm back
[08:00] <tritium> firdel, no, I don't use beep, actually, sorry
[08:00] <Coily> crimsun, why would the name change when ive been using the same shortcut
[08:00] <heze> tolstoy-, actually with 2.6.8.1 the module is loaded but i get (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module!
[08:00] <crimsun> Coily: the name hasn't changed...
[08:00] <Coily> well the name system monitor gives it
[08:00] <djst> crimsun:  yes
[08:01] <jesuel> whoa. my favorite isp is going to be reselling verizon fios!
[08:01] <crimsun> djst: change the selection to ALSA then, and it will remember
[08:01] <tolstoy-> heze, did you try modprobe nvidia
[08:01] <jesuel> whoot!
[08:01] <djst> crimsun:  oh, and now that the usb webcam is no longer the default sound card, it seems xmms has problems using it anyway.. but i can always fix that program.... i'm more worried about the (potentially) other programs
[08:01] <crimsun> Coily: and ps auxww|grep firefox|grep -v grep  only returns that?
[08:02] <crimsun> djst: audio programs should use "default"
[08:02] <heze> tolstoy-, yeah it wasn't loaded, now it was loaded with modprobe and it says API mismatch: nvidia ver 1.0.6111 but x module ver 1.0.6629
[08:02] <sanitario> I'll give this gnomebaker a try then
[08:02] <tritium> crimsun, are you aware of any kernel issues that might be causing this?  I should try the new kernel when I can reboot...
[08:02] <Coily> crimsun, checking
[08:02] <crimsun> tritium: I don't know offhand, but I'm still using 25.1
[08:02] <tritium> crimsun, okay, thanks.
[08:02] <djst> crimsun:  yes.. that's what i thought too, but xmms doesn't want to use default.. it complains about stuff
[08:03] <crimsun> djst: "stuff?"
[08:03] <djst> crimsun:  wait, i'll need to read the error msg again :)
[08:04] <Coily> crimsun, no the process name is firefox-bin as it should be
[08:04] <djst> crimsun:  Please check that: Your sound card is configured properly......etc
[08:04] <heze> tolstoy-, i'll go for manual install of 1.0.7167 from nvidia.com and wish i don't do anthin irreversable :)
[08:04] <crimsun> Coily: ...so what seems to be the problem?
[08:04] <djst> crimsun:  in xmms
[08:04] <jason> I wish ubuntu would replace orinoco with hostap modules
[08:04] <crimsun> djst: tell xmms to use esd output
[08:05] <djst> crimsun:  that worked better... why?
[08:05] <crimsun> djst: because your onboard doesn't support in-hardware pcm multiplexing
[08:05] <Coily> its not a big deal, i just wanted to make sure it had nothing to do with the fx crashes ive experienced in linux
[08:05] <djst> crimsun:  so now it's using an external mixer?
[08:05] <Coily> crimsun, thanks for the help
[08:06] <crimsun> djst: a software-based multiplexer, yes
[08:06] <crimsun> Coily: np
[08:06] <djst> crimsun:  thanks for your indepth help and information. you should be hired as support staff
[08:07] <djst> crimsun:  but isn't it possible to use mixing with alsa too? i remember editing a file called (something like) /etc/amixer in gentoo, which all of a sudden enabled software multiplexing for all apps
[08:07] <reon> crimsun, thanks my USB headset is now my default device !!
[08:08] <djst> crimsun:  /etc/asound.conf was the name of the file
[08:09] <djst> pcm.!default {
[08:09] <djst> type plug
[08:09] <djst> slave.pcm "swmixer"
[08:09] <djst> }
[08:09] <djst> pcm.swmixer {
[08:09] <djst> type dmix
[08:09] <djst> ipc_key 1234
[08:09] <djst> slave {
[08:09] <djst> pcm "hw:0,0"
[08:09] <djst> period_time 0
[08:09] <djst> period_size 1024
[08:09] <crimsun> djst: dmix, yes. /etc/asound.conf or ~/.asoundrc
[08:09] <djst> buffer_size 4096
[08:09] <djst> rate 44100
[08:09] <bryan> no need for the spam dude
[08:09] <djst> }
[08:09] <crimsun> djst: please don't paste in here, thanks.
[08:09] <djst> }
[08:09] <djst> sorry
[08:10] <djst> crimsun:  but that's basically the same thing as choosing the esd output?
[08:10] <crimsun> djst: it's lower-level than esd
[08:10] <crimsun> djst: thus, lower-latency
[08:10] <djst> crimsun:  ok.. which is why it works for all apps without config?
[08:11] <djst> crimsun:  what exactly does lower-latency mean? is it good or bad?
[08:11] <crimsun> djst: for all alsa-routed apps, yes
[08:11] <crimsun> djst: lower latency is good
[08:11] <djst> crimsun:  great, i'll use that method instead then.. thanks again!
[08:11] <bryan> did you guys know you can just change a *.img file to a iso and it'll burn?
[08:11] <djst> and sorry for spamming :(
[08:12] <thoreauputic> bryan: yes :)
[08:13] <thoreauputic> bryan: still useful info for those who didn't :)
[08:13] <bryan> in windows i can burn a dvd in 8 minutes flat
[08:14] <firdel> is it possible to install (application/x-mplayer2) plugin, so i can watch movs with firefox ?
[08:14] <bryan> in linux it takes about 20 minutes
[08:14] <bryan> why!
[08:15] <crimsun> bryan: DMA is not enabled by default
[08:15] <crimsun> firdel: yes, search the wiki for "mplayer plugin"
[08:15] <bryan> how do i enable it?
[08:17] <zenrox> crimsun,  big update today??
[08:17] <zenrox> heheheheh
[08:17] <thoreauputic> bryan: hdparm can be used to enable dma
[08:17] <bryan> well that goes right over my head
[08:18] <poSca> hey... i've seem to have messed up apt-get.. -f install / similar dosent fix anything.. any good ideas ?? ;)
[08:18] <bryan> see, these are the little things that will keep people from linux
[08:18] <crimsun> bryan: what is your dvd drive? (i.e. what device)
[08:18] <thoreauputic> bryan:  sudo hdparm -d 1 /dev/hdc  (or whatever the drive is)
[08:18] <tritium> bryan, it'll be enabled by default in the future
[08:19] <bryan> it's primary device on second ide chain
[08:19] <bryan> so should be hdc, right?
[08:19] <zenrox> bryan,  yep
[08:19] <thoreauputic> right
[08:19] <tritium> in fact, if you make hdparm start later in the boot sequence, you can configure it to enable dma on your cdrom by default now
[08:20] <mdke> hands up if you know how to insert an icon into a wiki with MoinMoin
[08:20] <mdke> goddammit
[08:20] <mdke> everyone is sitting on their hands
[08:20] <mdke> IT CAN'T BE DONE!!! /me wails
[08:20] <bryan> what's moinmoin?
[08:21] <mdke> zenrox, make my day
[08:21] <zenrox> mdke,  i dont know how
[08:21] <mdke> bryan, the wiki markup language
[08:21] <zenrox> lol
[08:21] <mdke> bah
[08:21] <jesuel> *cackle*
[08:21] <zenrox> lol
[08:22] <tOpi^> hmm , what is default root password?
[08:22] <bryan> default is scrambled/random i think
[08:22] <mdke> tOpi^, you can use sudo and your own password
[08:22] <bryan> sudo passwd root
[08:22] <thoreauputic> tOpi^: there isn't one
[08:22] <ubuseer> I have a laptop with a synaptics touchpad with a scroll wheel, does anyone know how to enable the scroll wheel so I don't have to use the right portion of the pad to scroll up and down?
[08:23] <jesuel> uhg, i hate the synaptics touchpad yuck yuck
[08:23] <jesuel> YUCK
[08:23] <bryan> there's actually entries in the xorg config for it
[08:24] <xy77> Hi folks.
[08:25] <bryan> hi xy77
[08:25] <xy77> Yesterday, I installed Ubuntu-Linux on my Dell Inspiron 4000. It went mostly fine, but when I logged in, the mouse was spinning around once in a while. This is quite nasty, what can I do about it?
[08:26] <FAST> anyone notice firefox closing out after clicking on a link?   this happens seldomly, but it still happens! wtf!
[08:26] <DarthFrog> xy77: Get a cat? :-)
[08:26] <zenrox> xy77, is it a wireless mouse
[08:26] <bryan> i've got a wireless/bluetooth mouse and it worked without a hitch
[08:26] <zenrox> FAST,  blaim firefox
[08:26] <bryan> i was happy about that
[08:26] <thoreauputic> DarthFrog: cat is installed by default ;-)
[08:26] <jintxo> bryan, me too :-)
[08:27] <DarthFrog> thoreauputic: Oh right. :-)
[08:27] <chimaera> hi
[08:27] <xy77> zenrox: no, it's a wired logitec wheelmouse
[08:27] <bryan> jintxo:  mx900?
[08:27] <julo> hi
[08:27] <jesuel> mx510 here ;p
[08:27] <zenrox> xy77,  just checken casue low batts in a wireless mouse will do tht
[08:27] <thoreauputic> DarthFrog:  cat mouse > /dev/null :)
[08:27] <jintxo> bryan, no, it's some sort of weird supratech something-or-other....
[08:28] <xy77> zenrox: I see. Might it have something to do with the xorg.conf?
[08:28] <julo> With an up-to-date hoary, do you still need to append resume=/dev/hda2 to the kernel options for suspend to work correctly ?
[08:28] <xy77> Currently I run Gentoo (I am about to switch to ubuntu), and on Gentoo, the mouse works all right.
[08:28] <zenrox> xy77,  paste yuor xorg.conf to www.pastebin.com
[08:28] <zenrox> xy77, for ubuntu
[08:29] <xy77> zenrox: I will, as soon as dd has finished. Inbetween, I installed Xandros, which seems to be quite nice for people comeing from Windows and I backupped ubuntu in a file...
[08:29] <chimaera> i'm trying to install hoary preview on a sata-system and my pata cdrom is not detected. seems like the i/o ports are in use for the sata-driver has been loaded before ide. any workarounds?
[08:29] <spiral> hi
[08:30] <tOpi^> why my apt-get not work :/
[08:30] <chimaera> iirc this is a common problem..
[08:31] <xy77> meanwhile, another question: Is someone using xfce4 with ubuntu?
[08:32] <zenrox> xy77, you can get the installed from there page and install it away
[08:32] <zenrox> installed=installer
[08:32] <Fator_Dee> how can I make an iso image from cd?
[08:32] <thoreauputic> tOpi^: what do you mean by "not work" ?
[08:32] <ubuseer> bryan: I see the entry for synaptics and for a ps2 mouse,
[08:33] <xy77> Fator_Dee: use your burn program and tell it to write a copied CD to harddisk. Or you might use dd
[08:33] <selinium_> You still here thoreauputic! The Ubuntu world must be a safer place :P
[08:33] <thoreauputic> selinium_: only because IRC doesn't make homicide possible ;-)
[08:34] <selinium_> thoreauputic: ROFL
[08:34] <Fator_Dee> xy77: maybe I should have specified that I'd like to know how to use the dd command :-|
[08:35] <farruinn> Fator_Dee: the first places to look are man dd and a search engine
[08:35] <farruinn> often simply [command]  --help give you enough to be dangerous
[08:36] <Fator_Dee> farruinn: I know where to look help, but I thought I'd hae a fast answer from here, vause I'm in a bit of a hurry
[08:36] <thoreauputic> dd can be dangerous for such an innocuous looking command...
[08:37] <Levander> I can't eject my CD-ROM drive, even if I push the button to open the drive!  Anybody gotta quick work around??
[08:37] <darksatanic> Unmount the disk first.
[08:37] <thoreauputic> Levander: a chisel and hammer?
[08:38] <xy77> Fator_Dee see "man dd"; generally it should be: dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/home/user/my_cdrom_image.iso    but don't blame me if it doesn't work, but that's how I thought iso images worked :-)
[08:38] <Levander> it's not mounted
[08:39] <DarthFrog> Levander:  Are you in the CD directory?   Is any o f your running programs using the CD?
[08:39] <DarthFrog> Levander:  As root, you could use the "eject" command.
[08:39] <Levander> don't think so, this problem has been for awhile, across reboots, really don't think i'm in that directory
[08:40] <Levander> eject says unable to open /dev/hdd
[08:40] <DarthFrog> Levander: Then something is using the drive.
[08:40] <Levander> is there any command, like lsof I can run to find out which process?
[08:40] <Levander> lsof | grep something?
[08:41] <Levander> you know, i'm running a batch process, but I don't even think the eject button on the CD drive itself works while the system is booting
[08:41] <Levander> i'll have to check after i finish the batch process I'm running
[08:42] <thoreauputic> Levander: maybe lsof | grep /media/cdrom0 ? (or whatever the default mount point is)
[08:42] <chlunde> Levander: fuser /dev/cdrom or something like that, perhaps
[08:42] <xy77> Levander: try to use the manual eject, pick the little hole at the front of your drive.
[08:43] <chlunde> xy77: Not while there's something using the drive...
[08:43] <Levander> i've tried the eject button on the drive if that's what u mean
[08:43] <xy77> chlunde: Right, only if it doesn't open on boot, it might help.
[08:44] <Levander> u know, i've never manually done anything to set the drive up under ubuntu.  Do you have to do something like that for a default Ubuntu install of warty?
[08:44] <Levander> Haven't used the drive since I installed Warty
[08:44] <Levander> to install Warty though I burned a CD with it, and ran the install from a CD
[08:44] <chlunde> Ah, you have a SATA harddisk?
[08:44] <thoreauputic> Levander: it should "just work"
[08:44] <MrKeuner> hi, I edit the resolv.conf and add some more DNS servers. However, whenever I reboot DNS servers got lost. Is there another config file for this?
[08:44] <chlunde> There's a problem with SATA disks + PATA CD-ROMs.
[08:44] <zenrox> i just did the update and ooO fails
[08:45] <Levander> It's not a parallel port Cd drive
[08:45] <xy77> Levander: you said it wouldn't open on boot. So if you have shut down your system, use a needle and stick it into the little hole you see, when you take a close look at your drive's blind.
[08:45] <zenrox> dpkg: error processing openoffice.org-gtk-gnome (--configure):
[08:45] <zenrox> i did that and still dont work
[08:45] <chlunde> Not parallel port, but those normal IDE cables (40/80 pins) are PATA, those thin, new ones are SATA.
[08:46] <Levander> MrKeuner, the Computer->System Configuration->Networking dialog contains settings that overwrite /etc/hosts and /etc/resolv.conf on booting
[08:46] <zenrox> can some one help me fix the latest ooO update
[08:46] <Levander> chlunde: that's probably the problem, it's a dual Pentium III 550 computer, an older motherboard
[08:46] <heze> guys, how do i find out the refresh rates of a monitor?
[08:47] <Levander> xy77: looking for that hole u mention
[08:47] <thoreauputic> Levander: interesting. I hate apps that overwrite config files... :(
[08:47] <MrKeuner> Levander/ I used that, and it also edited the resolv.conf which is deleted on reboot.
[08:48] <Levander> MrKeuner: that's where I had to change the settings so that my custom settings didn't get overwritten on reboot
[08:48] <MrKeuner> do you use dhcp?
[08:48] <Levander> xy77: I've got three little holes on the front of my drive, any idea which one?
[08:48] <MrKeuner> or static?
[08:49] <chlunde> Levander: No, those computers didn't have SATA.
[08:49] <Levander> MrKeuner: dhcp
[08:49] <Levander> chlunde: yeah, now I know what you mean by SATA, yeah, my Pentium 4 has 1st generation SATA, so that's not my problem
[08:49] <bryan> you've got 3 of those holes?
[08:50] <bryan> the one on my dvdrw is in the middle directly under the loading tray
[08:50] <Levander> bryan: yeah, three little indentations that look like holes that i can get my fingernail in a little
[08:50] <xy77> Levander: sorry, I don't know.
[08:50] <bryan> they should only be the size of a pinhead
[08:50] <Levander> there are two that straddle the middle, one over to the right by the eject button
[08:51] <Levander> bryan: all three are the size of a pinhead
[08:51] <chlunde> Anyway, do you have a CD you need to get out of the drive?  (Sorry for jumping into the middle of the discussion)
[08:51] <chlunde> If not I don't see the point of manually ejecting it.
[08:51] <xy77> Levander: I'd try the one next to the eject button, but I guarantee for nothing.
[08:51] <Levander> chlunde: yeah, i think so, i need to return it today to!
[08:51] <bryan> the one on my cdrw is next to the eject button
[08:52] <Levander> bryan, that's the one i'll try first
[08:52] <Levander> batch process is done, I'm gonna shutdown to try it now
[08:52] <chlunde> Ah, then I understand why you're doing it, sorry :)
[08:52] <Levander> do I try it while it's shut down?
[08:52] <bryan> hrmm i thought it had to be powered on
[08:52] <Levander> bryan, oh, so I can just try it now, while the computer is running?
[08:52] <chlunde> bryan: Nope, I've always done it with the power off.
[08:53] <Levander> i'll go find a pin, and try it first while it's running, if doesn't work, i'll try it powered down
[08:53] <Levander> gotta go find a pin, i'll be back
[08:53] <Levander> got one!
[08:53] <bryan> that was quick
[08:53] <chlunde> It's all mechanical, so it will probably work no matter what.
[08:53] <bryan> it'd take me days to find one
[08:54] <Levander> the two in the middle are status lights
[08:54] <Levander> it's the one by the eject button
[08:54] <Levander> but, it didn't work with power up
[08:54] <xy77> Levander: thought something like that. good that you know now.
[08:54] <Levander> gotta power down
[08:54] <chlunde> You need something like 3 cm (I usually use a paperclip).
[08:55] <Levander> much thanks for the help guys!
[08:55] <elcuco> hi, i am not getting audio on ubuntu. any ideas what to do?
[08:55] <elTigre> hi
[08:55] <xy77> I didn't have to power down, it worked at once.
[08:55] <elcuco> the modules for my sound card are loaded
[08:55] <elcuco> and /dev/dsp exist
[08:55] <elTigre> I try to get my webcam working
[08:55] <bryan> hope he's not trying to use a pushpin :D
[08:56] <elTigre> but when modprobing the kernel module, I get an error like WARNING: Error inserting videodev (/lib/modules/2.6.10-4-386/kernel/drivers/media/video/videodev.ko): Operation not permitted
[08:56] <bryan> did you sudo it?
[08:56] <xy77> getting a partition into a file was much faster than putting it back on disk.
[08:56] <elTigre> oh yes... sure
[08:56] <elTigre> sorry
[08:56] <elTigre> ^ ^
[08:57] <elTigre> now it's the wrong module format -.-
[08:57] <ideafix> Hoah
[08:57] <elTigre> I wonder why...
[08:58] <xy77> anyone knows of a really good filemanager? (not one that is cool or freaky)
[08:58] <kaouete> Someone has problem to get X work with i830 video card on an ubuntu hoary ? just when gdm starts, screen goes blank and i lost it. i can see in xorg.0.log something like a segfault . . .. . (i can reboot using power button and acpid)
[08:58] <bryan> what classifies as 'cool or freaky'?
[08:58] <IRCMonkey> got my amd64 back today
[08:58] <IRCMonkey> i must say the daily live cd is realy good
[08:59] <bryan> i got pizza today
[08:59] <bryan> :D
[08:59] <xy77> bryan: a 3d file manager or one where you can shoot the files :)
[08:59] <bryan> ...
[08:59] <GammaRay> xy77: I like rox and mc
[09:00] <ideafix> ##ubuntu
[09:00] <xy77> GammaRay: I have to scan through thousands of files of different types, checking the content and deleting them or sorting them.
[09:01] <Aapzak> xy77, I like rox too
[09:01] <GammaRay> well mc is really good for kb navigation
[09:01] <kotatsu> is there any way to keep X from tearing?
[09:01] <kotatsu> I thought the double buffer extension was supposed to do that
[09:01] <lunitik> kotatsu: tearing?
[09:01] <kotatsu> like when you move a window
[09:01] <selinium_> HI all, has anyone managed to connect to a palm device herE?
[09:02] <zenrox> i just install the kernel 2.6.10-26 and the nvidia driver is broke agine
[09:02] <lunitik> kotatsu: ime Qt apps don't tend to do that... only GTK ones.
[09:02] <xy77> Aapzak, GammaRay: you think Rox is suited for my need?
[09:02] <zenrox> tried to modprobe it and it give me the module is in invalaid format
[09:02] <lunitik> kotatsu: I guess you learn to live with it though... most people don't even notice it or something  :/
[09:02] <kotatsu> it's pretty apparent, and I don't see how KDE apps could avoid it
[09:02] <GammaRay> xy77: both rox and mc have file type dependent scripts that show up in a menu
[09:03] <zenrox> so some one know how to fix that
[09:03] <kotatsu> I can't play games without vsync on >_<
[09:03] <Aapzak> xy77, dunno
[09:03] <felis_> did anyone experience nvidia-settings segfaults under hoary?
[09:03] <lunitik> zenrox: what did you write?
[09:03] <Aapzak> rox is just a lovely filemanager, dunno about scripting in it
[09:03] <xy77> hey, finally dd finished :-) I'll paste the xorg.conf, zenrox
[09:03] <lunitik> zenrox: 'modprobe what'?
[09:03] <GammaRay> both have filters to alter what is selected.. so you could do *\.jpg to select jpegs
[09:03] <zenrox> lunitik: sudo modprobe nvidia
[09:04] <zenrox> lunitik:  and it gave me invalad module format
[09:04] <zenrox> lunitik:  with the 2.6.10-26 kernel
[09:05] <GammaRay> xy77: however mc has a too called external panelize which parses the output of any cmd and creates a virtual list of files that works just w/ all the normal file manager functions.. that could be useful for sorting
[09:05] <GammaRay> xy77: bottom line.. try 'em
[09:05] <GammaRay> s/too/tool
[09:06] <lunitik> zenrox: umm... you reinstall the nvidia drivers for that kernel?
[09:06] <punkrockguy318> I just upgraded my machine from warty -> hoary via a dist-upgrade, and now I have the default ugly black X11 cursor theme.  How can I reinstall the ubuntu X Cursor theme?
[09:06] <zenrox> lunitik:  i did a update
[09:06] <lunitik> zenrox: I thought that one came down yesturday?
[09:06] <zenrox> i dint get it till today
[09:06] <lunitik> zenrox: ok... then you need to reinstall nvidia drivers for new kernel!
[09:06] <zenrox> ok
[09:07] <zenrox> lunitik:  ull ready upto date
[09:07] <zenrox> ull=all
[09:07] <zenrox> lunitik:  any thang different
[09:07] <zenrox> lunitik: i can try
[09:08] <douglas> hi all
[09:08] <preglow> am i the only one with a nonfunctioning libboost-dev? when i try to install it, it claims libbost-DOC replaces it, however, this is clearly false
[09:08] <heze> heya
[09:08] <topyli> upgraded to hoary at work today. the new artwork is pretty cool!
[09:09] <douglas> i did a hoary upgrade today and when im starting xorg is is giving me a error
[09:09] <douglas> any ideias ?
[09:09] <kotatsu> probably your keyboard settings
[09:09] <heze> douglas, nvidia card?
[09:09] <kotatsu> change the driver
[09:09] <douglas> nope sis
[09:10] <Levander> Hey thanks, guys, the pin in that hole didn't open the drive itself, but now when I press the eject button on the CDROM, the drive does open!
[09:10] <Levander> Must have been some kinda hardware thing and notta Ubuntu software thing??
[09:10] <douglas> it appear that xorg is not finding the drivers
[09:10] <douglas> i installed only x-window-system-core
[09:11] <douglas> does it matter ?
[09:11] <Levander> ha! eject /dev/hdd works to!
[09:11] <zenrox> lunitik:  nvidia-glx is all ready upto date
[09:11] <Levander> you guys think that by default Ubuntu Warty install, cd burning will work with that drive also?
[09:11] <preglow> well, ok, i need libboost-dev, will warty vomit very much if i install the debian package?
[09:12] <topyli> preglow: if it installs, it may work :)
[09:12] <Aapzak> any great developers here? GUI apps?
[09:12] <Mitario> hi guys
[09:13] <xy77> zenrox: did you have a look at the xorg.conf I posted?
[09:13] <Mitario> can anyone come up with a cause why the theme thumbnails in the theme switcher aren't generated?
[09:13] <zenrox> xy77:  i cant
[09:13] <zenrox> xy77:  i am in the cli trying to get my vid card worken
[09:13] <Levander> preglow: U sure libboost isn't in universe?  http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/hoary/libdevel/libboost-dev says it is
[09:14] <preglow> Levander: i use warty
[09:14] <Levander> preglow: ah, u right, that page does say hoary
[09:14] <Fuzz> hello, in the install with minimal settings can i use XFCE instead of ICEwm
[09:14] <tOpi^> what key is in aptitude "install"
[09:14] <Fuzz> ?
[09:14] <preglow> Levander: but hell, if it's got libboost-doc, it should have the libboost-dev...
[09:15] <exelsius> hola
[09:15] <preglow> but i can't find it, even though libboost-doc depends on it
[09:15] <Aapzak> +gtk?ok , just some advice asked, you don't have to be a brilliant programmer :)       I want to create some GUI apps. What do you like most: java, c, gtk, perl+gtk, ruby
[09:15] <Fuzz> hola
[09:15] <exelsius> do you speak spanish
[09:15] <exelsius> Fuzz
[09:15] <exelsius> hello
[09:15] <exelsius> Fuzz
[09:15] <Fuzz> si senor, un menor
[09:15] <Fuzz> un poco
[09:15] <exelsius> where are you from
[09:15] <Fuzz> USA
[09:15] <exelsius> ok
[09:15] <exelsius> jeje
[09:15] <exelsius> yo soy de chile
[09:15] <Fuzz> Si, es bien en Chile ahora?
[09:15] <GammaRay> Aapzak: missing mono+gtk
[09:16] <Aapzak> is that allright?
[09:16] <exelsius> si
[09:16] <exelsius> en santiago de chile
[09:16] <Aapzak> mono+gtk2?
[09:16] <exelsius> en que parte de USA=?
[09:16] <GammaRay> Aapzak: not that I'm recommending it or anything
[09:16] <Aapzak> :)
[09:16] <Fuzz> Oh, es muy frio en Nuevo England ahora
[09:16] <exelsius> ahhh
[09:16] <exelsius> ok aqui llueve
[09:16] <Fuzz> Me espanol es nota bien
[09:17] <Aapzak> exelsius, tu ablas espanol muy bien, pero nos otros no ablan espanol :)
[09:17] <elTigre> es muy frio en todas las partes de la terra
[09:17] <exelsius> ok Aapzak
[09:17] <bryan> anyone else have a samgsung syncmaster 753DF monitor???
[09:17] <NixerX> Friggin Hoary rules!
[09:17] <Aapzak> hoary es la bomba!
[09:17] <exelsius> ;jaja
[09:18] <exelsius> Aapzak
[09:18] <NixerX> bryan, CRT lcd?
[09:18] <Aapzak> exelsius,
[09:18] <bryan> CRT
[09:18] <NixerX> size?
[09:18] <exelsius> #debian-dpl-discuss
[09:18] <bryan> 17
[09:18] <NixerX> No x? or crummy refresh?
[09:18] <exelsius> in english or spanish ? discuss
[09:18] <bruno__> Can anyone help me install my Conexant Hsf Pci modem?
[09:18] <bryan> crummy refresh
[09:19] <bryan> in windows i can get  1280x1024@75hz
[09:19] <NixerX> bryan, have you tweaked your x?
[09:19] <bryan> yeah
[09:19] <bryan> i ran fglrxconfig
[09:19] <bryan> but i can't get out of 60hz
[09:19] <exelsius> algun canal en espaol
[09:19] <jazzka> I execute: sudo aptitude reinstall .... " and it answers: Couldn't lock list directory ... are you root?
[09:19] <jazzka> please help!
[09:20] <NixerX>         HorizSync       35-90
[09:20] <NixerX>         VertRefresh     43-160
[09:20] <NixerX> thats for my 1024x768@85
[09:20] <bryan> 1024 is too small
[09:20] <bryan> i'm in 1280x1024 right now, but @ 60hz
[09:20] <NixerX> what are your Horiz and VertRefs?
[09:21] <exelsius> #debian-es
[09:21] <exelsius> its cool
[09:21] <exelsius> ;)
[09:21] <Aapzak> exelsius, I really can't speak spanish
[09:21] <exelsius> ok
[09:21] <exelsius> sorry
[09:21] <exelsius> bye
[09:21] <Aapzak> no prob
[09:21] <Aapzak> bye
[09:21] <bryan>     HorizSync   30 - 70
[09:21] <bryan>     VertRefresh 50 - 160
[09:23] <NixerX> bryan, ok lemmie google for the proper specs.
[09:23] <NixerX> 2 sec's
[09:23] <nathans_> hello, i'm a new ubuntu user with some questions about wxPython... I'm also an IRC newbie :-)
[09:24] <GNAM> tell me four/five good text editor for programmers...
[09:24] <bryan> GNAM:  text/gui based?
[09:24] <GNAM> gui based
[09:24] <preglow> ok, what do i need to do to upgrade to hoary? just change all repos in sources.list and update upgrade?
[09:24] <NixerX> bryan your specs are perfect.
[09:24] <heze> gnam, eclipse is nice for java
[09:25] <bryan> i know, i took them straight from the manual
[09:25] <GNAM> i'm interested in c/fortran
[09:25] <GNAM> surely i'll try eclipse
[09:25] <NixerX> I dont understand how you can exceed that in windows.
[09:25] <CiRuS> GNAM jedit is prettz good
[09:25] <NixerX> Im not sure how "flexible" these settings are.
[09:25] <heze> nixerx, one can always use unspeced rates
[09:25] <CiRuS> its for java but has goot c plugins
[09:26] <heze> eclipse prolly has c plug too
[09:26] <NixerX> heze, Yea. But I dont wanna burn his monitor. :)
[09:26] <heze> nixerx, burn mine. can't google rates =(
[09:26] <heze> mitsubishi 1569i :/
[09:27] <NixerX> lol.
[09:27] <bryan> god, i didn't even know mitsu made monitors
[09:27] <heze> really :(
[09:27] <bryan> i think the japs have to try their hand at everything
[09:27] <heze> try google://1569i
[09:27] <bryan> heze:  no manual came with it?
[09:27] <heze> nope
[09:28] <wolki> hi!
[09:28] <heze> heya
[09:28] <NixerX> hello.
[09:28] <bryan> that's one reason i always buy retail
[09:28] <heze> i virtually paid nothing for that
[09:28] <heze> and it works on windows like a dream
[09:28] <wolki> i'm having trouble with hoary. am i in the right channel?
[09:28] <heze> can i get the rates on windows somehow?
[09:28] <bryan> wolki:  sure are
[09:29] <heze> a bit off topic Q but :P
[09:29] <scizzo> anyone that has managed to compile Wired in hoary?
[09:29] <NixerX> scizzo, the audio recording software?
[09:29] <wolki> k, my warty was working fine... i tried to dist-upgrade and now my nvidia card doesn't work anymore.
[09:30] <poSca> help ;)
[09:30] <NixerX> wolki, different kernels.
[09:30] <scizzo> NixerX: yes
[09:30] <Hymie> http://img163.exs.cx/img163/4326/gut3wj.jpg
[09:30] <NixerX> scizzo, Damn I wish someone would...looks really nice!
[09:30] <scizzo> NixerX: trying it now
[09:30] <wolki> NixerX: that's what i thought... is there a way to get the right module?
[09:30] <NixerX> I could ditch SF and Sonar!
[09:31] <NixerX> wolki, do you get any X all?
[09:31] <wolki> NixerX: no
[09:32] <Aapzak> GammaRay, well, I installed mono + monodevelop, does not work :)
[09:32] <bryan> alright, i'm gonna go try to not fry my monitor, but probably will anyways
[09:32] <NixerX> wolki, also warty uses XFree and horay uses Xorg
[09:32] <nathans_> i'm trying to install wxpython... the wxpython wiki says to install wxpython2.5.3 from universe but there's no such pkg...
[09:32] <thenuke> I cant find limewire for ubuntu
[09:32] <NixerX> are you pretty good with editing files by hand?
[09:32] <nathans_> anybody know if it's listed under a diff name?
[09:33] <thenuke> morphx: who? me?
[09:33] <wolki> NixerX: i know... i'm trying to run xorg. at first it tried to load xfree, but i managed to enable xorg
[09:34] <NixerX> you can run X --configure from te command line and tweak it a little then move it into /etc/X11 dir.
[09:34] <NixerX> Thats how I do it when i screw up my X config
[09:34] <NixerX> :)
[09:35] <wolki> NixerX: well, the config should be ok i think, but i'll try that
[09:36] <NixerX> wolki, good luck
[09:36] <NixerX> scizzo, have you tried to build wired?
[09:36] <heze> wolki, the driver is broken
[09:36] <preglow> ok, what do i need to do to upgrade to hoary? just change all repos in sources.list and update upgrade? <-
[09:37] <heze> wolki, for me atleast :)
[09:37] <scizzo> NixerX: trying now
[09:37] <scizzo> NixerX: trying to find some answers also
[09:37] <NixerX> you build packages before?
[09:38] <edge> I can't play a movie with totem, it says, failed to open:reason unkown
[09:38] <scizzo> NixerX: not .deb packages
[09:38] <GammaRay> Aapzak: oh dear.. maybe someone should tell novell about that
[09:38] <wolki> heze: hm :-/ maybe vesa mode will work
[09:38] <heze> wolki, try "nv" driver instead
[09:38] <NixerX> wolki, It must be throwing an error.
[09:38] <GammaRay> man will there face be red!
[09:39] <GammaRay> s/there/their
[09:39] <dabi> hi, how do i mount my ntfs drives on ubuntu?
[09:39] <edge> dabi, first download the NTFS patch with synaptic
[09:39] <akrabat> ello all. I have a wireless networking issue. All is fine until the screen saver kicks in. When it returns from screen saver, I have no signal and can't work out how to get a connection back without rebooting. any ideas on what's going on?
[09:40] <edge> after that you should change your fstab, i wil look up for you what axactly
[09:41] <dabi> i have the preview ver. do i need it here too?
[09:41] <bryan> whew
[09:41] <bryan> good thing my monitor does 'range out of sync'
[09:42] <GammaRay> it's always fun when they don't
[09:42] <edge> than look up http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions/view?searchterm=ntfs,  read that and it wil be fixt
[09:42] <Aapzak> GammaRay, I'm allright :)
[09:43] <edge> I geus de the preview version wil work the same,
[09:43] <edge> yust look up, with find -> ntfs
[09:43] <NixerX> scizzo, There are some nice tools for whipping up debian packages. I ve only done it a few times.
[09:43] <dabi> k
[09:43] <wolki> heze: thanks, i got xorg to start with nv drivers... not an optimal solution, but i guess it'll work next month :)
[09:43] <edge> or search, i have dutch language so I don't know acatly what it wil be,
[09:43] <dabi> after installing it does it mount it autom.?
[09:44] <edge> Nop,
[09:44] <bryan> gotta add a line to /etc/fstab
[09:44] <dabi> mount (dev) (path)?
[09:44] <dabi> ok
[09:45] <edge> You should ad /dev/hda1                    /mnt/win2k              ntfs            ro,auto,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0 in your fstab
[09:45] <bryan> /dev/hdb1       /media/decepticon ntfs  user,umask=0222 0 0
[09:45] <bryan> that's what mine looks like
[09:45] <NixerX> umask=0222 is a good thing to have.
[09:45] <heze> wolki, just don't try anything opengl ;)
[09:45] <edge> You can axces fstab by typing "sudo gedit /etc/fstab" in your terminal,
[09:45] <dabi> ok ty..
[09:45] <_manuel> can I install Warty on Apple G5?
[09:45] <heze> wolki, the problem will probably be solved quite fast since there are quite a lot of ppl with nvidia cards.
[09:45] <_manuel> or  Hoary is better
[09:46] <NixerX> _manuel, Inst the G5 64bit?
[09:46] <edge> dont forget that hda1 is yust an example, change this to your ntfs partition, and /mnt/win2k should also be an existing map,
[09:46] <tritium> wolki, what's your problem with nvidia?
[09:47] <dabi> yah i know..
[09:47] <bryan> nvidia is poop :D
[09:47] <edge> you can make this map bij sudo mkdir /mnt/win2k
[09:47] <_manuel> NixerX: yes, dual processor
[09:47] <wolki> tritium: the module doesn't load on hoary
[09:47] <scizzo> NixerX: http://www.podulator.com/debs/wired/
[09:47] <scizzo> NixerX: there you have unstable packages but I still want to get this thingy compiled
[09:47] <tritium> wolki, it does here.
[09:47] <BockBilbo> hello
[09:48] <tritium> wolki, did you update your kernel today?
[09:48] <dabi> does the ntfs driver for linux still have write?
[09:48] <NixerX> scizzo, Sweet! have you installed?
[09:48] <gxx_> HELP!!!  I just rebooted after doing the last hoary dist-upgrade and x isn;t working
[09:48] <NixerX> _manuel, I dont the the power5 is supported.
[09:49] <wolki> tritium: i just upgaded to hoary for the first time
[09:49] <NixerX> gxx_, do you have an nvidia card?
[09:49] <edge> no you can't write with NTFS in linux, only read,
[09:49] <dabi> oh dam..
[09:49] <gxx_> NixerX, yes
[09:49] <tritium> wolki, it works just fine.  You should check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log to find out the error
[09:49] <bretzel> Hi there, I've asked this morning how is Hoary "preview" - is anyone trying it ?
[09:49] <NixerX> lol....may be wolki can give you a hand...he just had the same problem
[09:50] <scizzo> NixerX: going to test them no
[09:50] <wolki> tritium: the module doesn't load when i modprobe it...
[09:50] <scizzo> NixerX: going to test them now
[09:50] <edge> Maybe you can write with very limitted rights, I'am not shure about that last thing. The problem is that NTFS is a close source thing, so its difficult to make a NTFS compatible drive
[09:50] <wolki> gxx_: i got it to work using the nv driver
[09:50] <tritium> wolki, which kernel?
[09:50] <wolki> gxx_: just edit your xorg.conf
[09:50] <gxx_> wolki:  k trying now
[09:51] <wolki> tritium:2.6.10 k7
[09:51] <bretzel> edge: maybe "captive" driver for NTFS, but me too I am a bit scary to use it. ( seems working well in knoppix tho
[09:51] <dabi> any command to list partitions?
[09:51] <bretzel> dabi: sudo fdisk -l
[09:51] <NixerX> df -lah
[09:51] <tritium> wolki, what does uname -r say?
[09:51] <gxx_> wolki: what is the file path again?
[09:51] <edge> ?
[09:51] <tritium> gxx_, you may want to not do that.  nvidia works...
[09:51] <robertj_> hey all. Can someone with the hoary preview please try to access an sftp site?
[09:52] <robertj_> (using nautilus hat is)
[09:52] <wolki> gxx_: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:52] <robertj_> I asked earlier and everyone but me was okay, no problems ;)
[09:52] <gxx_> tritium: well it isn't workking now, what do i do to make nvidia work again?
[09:52] <gxx_> wolki: ty
[09:52] <robertj_> My machines been dist-upgraded through some funkyness so I figured a resintall would fix, but no
[09:52] <tritium> gxx_, did you have it working before?  what has changed?
[09:52] <wolki> tritium: 2.6.10-4-k7
[09:53] <bretzel> robertj: ah! you are ising "preiew" ? -- ssh-dftp etcc... Did you install openssh pkg ?
[09:53] <tritium> wolki, do you have linux-restricted-modules with same version?
[09:53] <dabi> lol my hdb3 starts on 1337 :) hehehe
[09:53] <bretzel> "using preview - release: sorry typoe..
[09:53] <robertj_> bretzel: no, err, should I?
[09:53] <edge> bretzel, mm i am not using it, since the wrting limits are to limited tho make it usefull. And you can switch this of, but than you wil have a big change to screw up you'r NTFS partition
[09:53] <gxx_> wolki: cools i got into x, ty
[09:53] <bretzel> robertj: i dunno, I was asking how is preview ...
[09:54] <robertj_> oh, it's err the same as hoary was
[09:54] <gxx_> tritium:  yes it was working all day, yesterday..
[09:54] <robertj_> I'm not doing much of anything until I get this figured out
[09:54] <tritium> gxx_, yes, so what did you update/remove/change?
[09:54] <gxx_> tritium: then after doing todays upgrade... and rebooting
[09:54] <robertj_> I don't want to be dist-upgrading into packages that can't be easily duplicated tomorrow
[09:54] <tritium> gxx_, which packages were updated today?
[09:54] <bretzel> edgge: yeah, even in knoppix I feel not safe to "activate" writting in NTFS ...
[09:55] <wolki> tritium: i have several linux-restricted installed, 2.6.10-4-k7 is one of them
[09:55] <gxx_> tritium: i don't remember... jsut clicked it said yes and went to make dinner.  but i remember updates to the kernel image were installed
[09:56] <robertj_> anyone else around here with a clean install of preview?
[09:56] <edge> Someone know which package I have to install to play mpeg, mp3 etc in totem.
[09:56] <scizzo> NixerX: I have it working here now
[09:56] <bretzel> robertj: As I said "yesterday ? " - I am not sure I will even redo installation of hoary when the official release is out - because my array-5 installation is pretty stable and I did so much work to have it my taste... ( kde-3.4, kdevelop 3.1.92; xine etc....)
[09:57] <edge> It doesnt work at the time, and al the package that I can find whit symaptic are not instable
[09:57] <tritium> edge, gstreamer0.8-mad
[09:57] <BockBilbo> any of you have installed YaBB forum or phpBB in ubuntu?
[09:59] <tritium> wolki, gxx_ give me some time here, and I'll get back to you...
[09:59] <BockBilbo> tritium, hi
[09:59] <heze> add me to the list of waiting ppl :)
[09:59] <_manuel> can I install Ubuntu on Apple G5 with dual processor?
[09:59] <BockBilbo> have you tried the phpBB package from pt?
[09:59] <wolki> tritium: thanks!
[09:59] <BockBilbo> *apt
[09:59] <edge> synaptic autmaticly shutdown when I choose yes or cancel by the dependency question,
[09:59] <heze> i'm switching from -386 to -k7 in the meanwhile
[09:59] <tritium> BockBilbo, hey there
[10:00] <gxx_> tritium, is there a way to see what was installed ... i used terminal when i did it
[10:00] <djst> how do i enable mp3 support in music players? i searched for mp3 in synaptic (with World enabled) but couldn't find anything
[10:00] <bryan> i just switched to i686
[10:00] <tritium> djp, gstreamer0.8-mad
[10:00] <bretzel> Oh my god: speaking partitions: I 've realized that I run hoary array-5 with NO swap partitions!!!! ( yes please LAUGH loud at me!!!)
[10:00] <maximaus> djst: go to the site and do a search, you'll find all the answers about codecs, etc. ;)
[10:00] <heze> bretzel, i run w/o swap too.
[10:00] <bryan> Linux ubuntu 2.6.10-4-686 #1 Fri Mar 11 12:28:51 GMT 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[10:00] <tritium> gxx_, no, not at this point
[10:01] <djst> maximaus:  the site = ubuntulinux.org ?
[10:01] <BockBilbo> :)
[10:01] <maximaus> yep
[10:01] <bretzel> heze: How much RAM you have ??? ( I have 1gb) I think I need swap...
[10:01] <maximaus> lotsa nice how-tos for ya
[10:01] <tritium> bretzel, if you have lots of memory, not that terrible
[10:01] <heze> bretzel, 1,5G
[10:01] <bryan> i have 1GB dual channel ddr400
[10:01] <scizzo> NixerX: but wired....is using more then 90 % of the CPU
[10:01] <scizzo> :P
[10:01] <heze> and more importantly, what software yer gonna run on it :)
[10:02] <bryan> keeps things speedy
[10:02] <bretzel> tritium: heheheh not like WinXP -- I know...
[10:02] <djst> tritium:  thanks!
[10:02] <tritium> djst, sure
[10:02] <bryan> does linux recognize the hypher threading in my processor?
[10:02] <bryan> hyper*
[10:02] <heze> yes
[10:03] <bretzel> I think you are all right -- I haven't noticed any troubles w/o swap--- funny....
[10:03] <NixerX> scizzo, can we say memory leak :)
[10:03] <tritium> heze, are you having nvidia problems also?
[10:03] <heze> tritium, yes.
[10:03] <NixerX> scizzo, that sucks...what cpu do you have?
[10:03] <tritium> hrmm...there is some talk about possible ABI problems.  I need to look into it
[10:03] <heze> tritium, installed warty today, did a upgrade to hoary -> modprobe nvidia fails
[10:04] <NixerX> Everyone's nvidia is croaking!
[10:04] <NixerX> Its a kernel thing.
[10:04] <heze> well it's broken in the package. it'll be fixed shortly :)
[10:04] <heze> i hope
[10:04] <heze> the kernel binary module is broken i guess
[10:05] <dabi> i cant find in synaptic any with name NTFS
[10:05] <dabi> and..
[10:05] <dabi> sudo mount /dev/hda1
[10:05] <dabi> mount: unknown filesystem type 'ntfs'
[10:05] <Pineapples10> dear god
[10:05] <NixerX> dabi, try libntfs
[10:05] <dabi> nope
[10:05] <edge> thit you at the universe package list to?
[10:06] <Pineapples10> does anyone know of a step by step guide to installing packages and whatnot
[10:06] <dabi> how? i just opent synaptic, refresh and search.. :S where?
[10:07] <bryan> Pineapples10:  been to www.ubuntuguide.org yet?
[10:07] <NixerX> Pineapples10, man apt-get?
[10:07] <bretzel> Question: Gnome panel is sometime hidding below all stuff : I suspect xcompmgr/composite screwup but not sure - panels are running but not visible. ( killing it respawns and then its ok ) I was wondering about xcompmgr .... or nvidia+xorg or whatelse ....
[10:07] <edge> mm I have dutch language, ther should be somthing like prefrences (the one before HELP)
[10:07] <tritium> Pineapples10, there's an apt-howto you can install
[10:07] <dabi> i have finnish.. :P
[10:07] <edge> Tha chose the second options something like packed source
[10:07] <edge> ow ok,
[10:07] <dabi> oh
[10:07] <dabi> ty
[10:08] <edge> sow now the should be  something like NTFS
[10:08] <NixerX> brb
[10:09] <viper12> wow.......anyone else experiencing HUGE problems after todays' updates? (like xorg and ati and nvidia and such?)
[10:09] <Pineapples10> i installed linux ad it solved none of my problems
[10:09] <viper12> (on hoary).
[10:09] <dabi> oh thanx a lot :)
[10:09] <tritium> Pineapples10, what kind of problems did you hope it would solve?
[10:10] <heze> viper12, atleast nvidia kernel driver is broken
[10:10] <edge> :D, not a problem
[10:10] <viper12> I can VOUCH for that one.  any idea on what caused it to GET broken?
[10:10] <djst> how do i make the Win Logo key a key combination instead of a normal key? (e.g., how can i make use of Win+L, Win+D instead of just Win?)
[10:10] <tritium> viper12, there may be kernel ABI problems with the latest images
[10:10] <membreya> djst: bug :)
[10:10] <heze> viper12, developers being human
[10:10] <djst> in gentoo, for example, the win key acts more like Ctrl, Alt and Shift
[10:10] <NixerX> I stronly suggest against upgrading a stable system with a preview release.
[10:10] <djst> membreya:  really? any bug number?
[10:10] <viper12> I can also say that without a settings the ATI side has lost GL speed as well.
[10:10] <tritium> djp, keyboard settings applet
[10:11] <djst> tritium:  is this a ubuntu specific bug then? because it works perfectly in vidalinux
[10:11] <Pineapples10> tritium, I was kidding, a joke on many forums when someone cites a problem they are having with their computer is "install linux, problem solved"
[10:11] <tritium> djst, not a bug.  Just change your settings.
[10:12] <djst> tritium:  that's what i'm trying to figure out.. how do i change that setting? :)
[10:12] <membreya> hmmm no it's not ...just read that :)
[10:12] <membreya> reading through the archive on the mailing list :)
[10:13] <omniscient> is it possible to backup my packages so that when i reinstall apt doesnt have to redownload them all?
[10:13] <BockBilbo> bye!
[10:13] <djst> tritium:  i can't hold the Win key pressed and press another letter at the same time, because the applet will just recognize the Win key alone
[10:13] <membreya> omniscient: yes it is
[10:14] <NixerX> omniscient, tar http://www.podulator.com/debs/wired/
[10:14] <NixerX> oops
[10:14] <NixerX> i mean tar /var/cache/apt/archives/
[10:14] <tritium> Pineapples10, okay ;)
[10:14] <omniscient> ok, and what about the package database, if i just copy them all over to new install, it will work?
[10:14] <membreya> omniscient: go to your /var/cache/apt/archives directory
[10:15] <omniscient> or do i just run update and it will check that directory?
[10:15] <tritium> djst, did you look under "Layout Options->Alt/Win key behavior"?
[10:15] <membreya> then on your new install, just do a dpkg -i *.deb
[10:15] <Pineapples10> im trying to install DVDRIP, when i type apt-get install dvdrip it cannot find the package
[10:15] <omniscient> membreya, will that install depends?
[10:16] <omniscient> isnt it just drip Pineapples10 ?
[10:16] <membreya> all your depends will be in that directory
[10:16] <omniscient> membreya, gotya, thanks man.
[10:16] <blizah> what media player and audio player would you guys recommend?
[10:16] <bwlang> blizah: i like rhythmbox
[10:16] <Fator_Dee> blizah: xmms and mplayer
[10:16] <viper12> does anyone have any ETA on fixes on the latest kernel updates for hoary? This hath really fubared my main box with the nvidia piece broken.
[10:16] <NixerX> blizah, xmms  for  audio, xine  for video, or videl lan for both
[10:17] <NixerX> *video lan*
[10:17] <NixerX> Has anyone tried to download the nvidia drivers from nvidia and compile the module?
[10:18] <djst> tritium:  which one should it be?
[10:18] <tritium> viper12, you can always revert to the old version
[10:18] <edge> Ha, everytime synaptic has dependency's it shutwdown,
[10:18] <tritium> djst, I don't know.  I don't use that
[10:18] <blizah> k ill look in to them
[10:18] <blizah> audio: rhythmbox or xmms  video: xine or mplayer
[10:19] <Pineapples10> i hate this
[10:19] <NixerX> xmms and xine
[10:19] <viper12> Yeah, trit....that wasn't the question.  the question was regarding eta on solutions to problems, not reversion.
[10:19] <tritium> viper12, either boot into a previous kernel, or go downgrade to the previous kernel by installing it from /var/cache/apt/archives
[10:19] <blizah> right now i have mplayer and xmms
[10:19] <viper12> nods and ty to trit.
[10:20] <chantry> argh madwifi is broken with the last update
[10:20] <edge> Some one know wht could be wrong?
[10:20] <edge> I mena with synaptic,
[10:20] <chantry> I can't have wifi anymore
[10:20] <djst> tritium:  i figured it out, thanks
[10:20] <edge> Since it shutdown on every dependency
[10:20] <tritium> heze, gxx_ wolki I'll reboot into the latest kernel in 1 minute here.  This job is finishing up...
[10:20] <Pineapples10> this is ridiculous, every guide is written in a moon language that I cant understand
[10:20] <Gast12232> hi
[10:20] <djst> tritium:  another question, why is X-Chat completing tri with Tricker when there are two ppl in here starting with "tri" ?
[10:21] <devazion> am i the only one that cant get nvidia-glx working since newest update?
[10:21] <chantry> is anyone else using madwifi with last ubuntu kernel?
[10:21] <viper12> oh, just an fyi if any devs are lurking....it also broke the wifi a bit as well....i'm guessing the kernel update was just 'fubar' from word one?
[10:21] <Gast12232> i search a german helpchannel for ubuntu
[10:21] <NixerX> edge have you tried running synaptic from the command line to see where the dep issue is?
[10:21] <heze> tritium, g'luck
[10:21] <tritium> djst, hit tab a second time.  It goes with the first, alphabetically
[10:21] <tritium> heze, thanks ;)
[10:21] <chantry> I think its only the restriced-modules which is borken
[10:21] <chantry> the dev are fixing it?
[10:21] <Gast12232> i search a german helpchannel for ubuntu
[10:21] <heze> you'll need it ;)
[10:21] <aqtis> anyone here able to use a PalmOS device with the current LiveCD?
[10:22] <djst> tritium:  not here for some reason.. it just types "Tricker: "
[10:22] <membreya> hehe I'm SO happy..got my MS explorer mouse working properly so that it's side buttons work :D
[10:22] <aqtis> and if so whats the magic?
[10:22] <tritium> brb
[10:22] <Gast12232> i search a german helpchannel for ubuntu
[10:22] <Gast12232> i search a german helpchannel for ubuntu
[10:22] <djst> as if it doesn't realize there are more than one
[10:22] <heze> chantry, nah the devs will never fix it ;)
[10:22] <Pineapples10> how come no matter what package I try to install i get "couldnt find package" why is linux so hard
[10:22] <edge>  Failed to set label from markup due to error parsing markup: Unknown tag 'p' on line 1 char 97
[10:22] <edge> :S,
[10:23] <raydogg> can u do a md5 over a whole directory recursively to make sure all files copied correctly ?
[10:23] <djp> Pineapples10: have you setup your repos?
[10:23] <Pineapples10> no, so i need to setup my repositries?
[10:24] <NixerX> edge. dose it mention a file?
[10:24] <djp> Pineapples10: yes
[10:24] <Pineapples10> ok...now about doing that
[10:25] <edge> no, it happens on every dependency, it doesn't mather from wich package. apt-get works still fine.
[10:25] <djp> Pineapples10: visit http://ubuntuguide.org and follow the really concise setup guide to get a very nice ubuntu install!
[10:25] <Pineapples10> ok, I will give that a go, tahnks
[10:27] <NixerX> edge maybe reinstall synaptic using apt-get?
[10:27] <geppy> Are the new nVidia drivers packaged, yet?
[10:27] <edge> That's a good idea,
[10:28] <NixerX> I have them sometimes.
[10:28] <tritium> yep, definitely some abi breakage ;)
[10:28] <heze> :)
[10:29] <tritium> from dmesg: disagrees about version of symbol struct_module
[10:29] <tritium> so there could be issues with many kernel modules
[10:29] <geppy> meh, I'll just install the binary
[10:30] <aqtis> anyone here able to use a PalmOS device with the current ubuntu LiveCD?
[10:30] <membreya> anyone here using an nvidia card?
[10:30] <aqtis> note: It works for me under Slackware10
[10:30] <devazion> membreya sure all dop
[10:30] <heze> membreya, yes
[10:30] <aqtis> I am using nvidia
[10:30] <edge> I have used a nvidea card
[10:30] <NixerX> any one here from the northeast US?
[10:31] <aqtis> almost 50 milse further north
[10:31] <membreya> can you guys do me a favour, do a cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status
[10:31] <membreya> and let me know what it says
[10:31] <tritium> membreya, kernel module problems
[10:31] <membreya> mine says Status:          Disabled
[10:31] <membreya> I'm thinking that's why my 3d performance is blowing
[10:31] <NixerX> aqtis, canada?
[10:31] <heze> got no "nvidida" on driver-folder
[10:31] <edge> **** after reinstalling synaptic, still the same proble
[10:31] <tritium> membreya, that means you're using intel_agp instead of NvAGP
[10:32] <aqtis> Si senoir
[10:32] <devazion> This might sound stupid, on the livecd with gnome 2.10 from gnome.org (the ubuntu one) i can like plug in my usb storage and it pops up on the desktop, on newest upgrade with installed hoary it dont pop up, its not even found. What module/feature has to be turned on the get that behavior?
[10:32] <membreya> tritium: how do I fix that one ?
[10:32] <NixerX> edge try doing an apr-get  purge maybe it's a configu file that foo
[10:32] <aqtis> membreya: I have an nvidia but it ain sdetected as such
[10:32] <tritium> membreya, there's nothing _wrong_ with that
[10:32] <membreya> then why does my 3d blow :(
[10:32] <tritium> membreya, if you want to, you can blacklist intel_agp, and then use NvAGP
[10:33] <NixerX> aqtis, you gonna get some snow from this storm were getting her in maine?
[10:33] <edge> how do i use that command
[10:33] <aqtis> hope not
[10:33] <edge> waith I wil look up in the man
[10:33] <aqtis> bloddy fed up with inter, I am
[10:33] <NixerX> were supposed to get 12-20in
[10:33] <aqtis> argh
[10:33] <LinuxJones> NixerX, that storm is hitting here tomorrow AM
[10:33] <membreya> erm ...and how do I load the nvagp tritium ? :P modprobe it ?
[10:33] <holyhacker> hello
[10:33] <NixerX> LinuxJones, Where you at?
[10:33] <aqtis> try that
[10:33] <LinuxJones> NixerX, Nova Scotia
[10:34] <tritium> membreya,         Option          "NvAGP"                 "1"
[10:34] <NixerX> Maybe it'll loose some power by then.
[10:34] <gxx_> tritium: cools, let me know when this is solved.. i watching a show atm, and checking irc
[10:34] <LinuxJones> NixerX, we are only supposed to get 6 inches tho but 35 mph winds
[10:34] <tritium> (in /etc/X11/xorg.conf)
[10:34] <holyhacker> how do i install a plug-in for firefox to let me see java applets
[10:34] <holyhacker> and where do i get one
[10:34] <membreya> hhmmm just looked tritium and it's already in there :|
[10:34] <tritium> gxx_, I'm about to leave for a while.  I'll be on in a few hours
[10:34] <blizah> are there any audio/video players that have just a basic play, stop, pause, open, and fast forward, rewind buttons that could fit at the top bar is?
[10:34] <Pineapples10> in your opinion, is the ultimate goal of linux wider adoption on the desktop market, or is that not what most distros are shooting for
[10:35] <tritium> membreya, yes, because intel_agp is loaded
[10:35] <aqtis> its a soft link to /usr/lib/java/plugin/...
[10:35] <blizah> fit in the top bar...
[10:35] <tritium> membreya, lsmod | grep agp
[10:35] <NixerX> edge,  dpkg -r | --remove | -P | --purge package ...
[10:35] <gxx_> tritium: k
[10:35] <holyhacker> i dont understand what you meen
[10:35] <membreya> lsmod | grep agp show's nothing :|
[10:35] <NixerX> its dpkg not apt-get sorry.
[10:35] <aqtis> holyhacker: its a soft link to /usr/lib/java/plugin/... to whereever firefox/plugins lives
[10:35] <holyhacker> im kinda new to linux
[10:35] <holyhacker> oh ok then
[10:35] <tritium> gxx_, so if you're on later this evening, I'll get back to you
[10:35] <aqtis> mee too
[10:36] <membreya> there's _no_ agp modules loaded tritium :\
[10:36] <aqtis> look for the apropriate lib*.so file
[10:36] <aqtis> in the /usr/lib/java/plugins
[10:36] <aqtis> there are choices to make
[10:36] <NixerX> well im gonna go sharpen the 'ol shovel
[10:37] <aqtis> but the  plugin  opnly works properly as a soft link
[10:37] <NixerX> have a good one folks.
[10:37] <tritium> membreya, check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see what's loading
[10:37] <kotatsu> something that has puzzled me for a while... when I run a GUI app using sudo/gksudo it of course uses root's desktop (gtk, icon, etc.) settings... is there any way to make it use the user's desktop settings instead?
[10:39] <membreya> tritium: am I just looking for AGP in that log?
[10:39] <membreya> the only real reference I can find is (**) NVIDIA(0): Use of NVIDIA internal AGP requested
[10:40] <vixus> Hey, is there an IDE for coding in C++ and with a good wxWindows form designer? There's my question, straight up! :-)
[10:40] <devazion> vixus, kdevelop has always done the job for me
[10:41] <vixus> 1. Kdevelop develops Qt applications for use on KDE.
[10:41] <tritium> membreya, yes.
[10:41] <tritium> Sorry, I'm going to have to get going.
[10:41] <vixus> 2. wxWindows can be ported to Windows
[10:41] <tritium> I'll be back in a few hours.
[10:41] <tritium> bye!
[10:41] <vixus> 3. KDevelop can't be altered to use wxWindows can it?
[10:41] <vixus> devazion.
[10:42] <devazion> vixus sure not... please tell me about it... kdevelop has many libraries, ofc its mainly for developing for Kde lib... but wxwidgets work very well in kdevelop
[10:42] <devazion> vixus cant qt be ported to windows lol?
[10:42] <Riddell> vixus: kdevelop works for many languages and libraries
[10:42] <Pineapples10> ok, i got my respoitories set up and apt is working now, but what if I want to install a package that instal available through apt?
[10:43] <vixus> devazion: Oh, yeah, but yesterday I asked this question and everyone goes: "USE WXWINDOWS!!"
[10:43] <djp> Pineapples10: what are you trying to install?
[10:43] <devazion> vixus well, qt aint "totally" free...
[10:43] <Pineapples10> dvdrip
[10:43] <vixus> I am mainly a GNOME user too. ;-)
[10:43] <vixus> KDE isn't installed anyhoo
[10:43] <Riddell> devazion: qt is entirely Free Software
[10:43] <djp> Pineapples10: are you using warty or hoary?
[10:43] <Pineapples10> hoary
[10:44] <devazion> Riddell sure i know, but its not free of charge for commercial use
[10:44] <Riddell> devazion: it is as long as you keep to the GPL
[10:44] <devazion> Riddell "not true either" im making it simple for mr im new to program here! :)
[10:44] <blizah> once i install fluxbox how will i switch between fluxbox and gnome?
[10:44] <djp> Pineapples10: that should be installable through apt... try using synaptic and search there for dvdrip
[10:44] <Pineapples10> alright, will do...
[10:44] <blizah> at login?
[10:44] <vixus> How do I alter KDevelop to use wxWindows (will the form designer work?)
[10:44] <devazion> blizah many ways... .Xsession .xinitrc gdm, kdm...
[10:45] <devazion> vixus why you need designer?
[10:45] <devazion> vixus try learning it instead
[10:45] <Riddell> vixus: the form designer won't work, chances are it has templates for wxwindows etc
[10:45] <blizah> devazion can you switch w/ out loging out or rebooting?
[10:45] <vixus> blizah: CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE
[10:45] <devazion> blizah sure...
[10:45] <devazion> NO VIXUS!
[10:45] <vixus> :o
[10:45] <vixus> Without logging out.. right
[10:45] <blizah> hehe
[10:45] <devazion> blizah find process id for fluxbox and kill it, then start gnome
[10:46] <vixus> :x
[10:46] <blizah> k ill give it a go :D
[10:46] <devazion> good luck!
[10:46] <Pineapples10> ok, apt isn't working properly actually, im getting some 404s
[10:46] <devazion> vixus what software are you going to develop? consider learning right toolkit for the right project
[10:47] <devazion> Pineapples10 since when did apt start using HTTP?
[10:47] <Pineapples10> uhm dont ask me ive never used linux before
[10:47] <devazion> Pineapples10 then rtfs
[10:47] <devazion> rtfm*
[10:47] <Pineapples10> I did everything its told  me to, but thanks
[10:47] <devazion> Pineapples10 what is the problem?
[10:48] <membreya> what speeds do people get from glxgears in a terminal ?
[10:48] <devazion> You cant you come say: Im sick gimme medicine
[10:51] <devazion> At what date in april will hoary be released?
[10:51] <pineapples10Ub> this is pineapples10 on my ubuntu machine
[10:52] <devazion> pineapples10Ub sure, you got ten apples? eat em?
[10:52] <vixus> devazion: I just want to make general purpose programs, nothing in particular, in fact, I want to teach myself some coding with GUIs.
[10:52] <pineapples10Ub> yes I ate ten of them and they are delicious
[10:52] <slenter> anyone please help me on this: do you have any idea where i can get cedega for nothing?
[10:53] <hawke_> slenter: No.
[10:53] <hawke_> slenter: not legally anyway
[10:53] <pineapples10Ub> if i run apt-get update I get this error followed by a few similar ones
[10:53] <pineapples10Ub> Err http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary-updates/main Packages
[10:53] <pineapples10Ub>   404 Not Found
[10:53] <devazion> vixus then start with something easy, like tk. why not python/ruby/tcl/perl and tk?
[10:53] <vixus> I wanted to learn some C++ first, but I may just go for python. Got any useful links?
[10:54] <devazion> vixus www.python.org
[10:54] <slenter> thanks, hawke_; (illegal works for me at the moment... i just want to test it and to "lure" some friends of mine to linux"
[10:54] <devazion> vixus c++ is more reading before you can use it. go with python/ruby
[10:54] <slenter> thanks, hawke_; (illegal works for me at the moment... i just want to test it and to "lure" some friends of mine to linux)
[10:55] <raydogg> can u do a md5 over a whole directory recursively to make sure all files copied correctly ?
[10:56] <vixus> ok... :/
[10:56] <vixus> python it is
[10:56] <hawke_> slenter: it's pretty cheap though...
[10:56] <devazion> vixus why python? did you even consider the others?
[10:57] <devazion> vixus read some, drink a beer. dont start directly
[10:57] <Seveas> vixus, google for "dive into python"
[10:58] <slenter> hawke_: u don't know my friends... ;)
[10:58] <critter> anyone know the default path for wine In Ubutu??
[10:58] <critter> Ubuntu
[11:00] <lachoss> hi!
[11:00] <Seveas> hi!
[11:01] <blizah> k im in gnome and installed fluxbox so how did you say i changed to fluxbox?
[11:01] <lachoss> i'm trying to add some folders to the Places menu, but i can't find out how! i googled around, searched the .gnome, .gnome2 and .nautilus dirs, but found nothing:S any ideas? thanks!
[11:02] <roybattius> is hoary firefox on crack or me? I download a file to my home directory, but when i want to open it with file roller in the download manager I have to "back up" into the filesystem to extract an archive or it'll put in some random-first directory in my home directory
[11:03] <bwlang> roybattius: sounds like a fileroller problem to me...
[11:04] <roybattius> bwlang: yeah, could be right.  freaking fileroller doesn't allow me to extract the directory structure into the home directory, it automagically forces me to put into an existing directory
[11:05] <wolki> Hmmm... somehow my top panel disappears unless i have the mouse over the bottom panel... and i'm not using composite
[11:05] <roybattius> bwlang: so it seems i have to tell firefox to download everything into /home and then my home account will be highligted by fileroller
[11:06] <critter> Trying to install AVG Linux but cant find wine Dir
[11:06] <Pineapples10> this is going to sounds really stupid because it is, how do I find out my local ip through the command line
[11:06] <membreya> just updated to kernel 2.6.10-4 and now my nvidia driver won't load :| doing a modprobe nvidia says module not found, yet if I do an apt-get install nvidia-glx it says the latest version is installed
[11:06] <membreya> any help ? :(
[11:07] <akrabat> Pineapples10: ifconfig
[11:07] <thenuke> http://mirror.isp.net.au/ftp/pub/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/l/limewire/  can I apt-get that somehow?
[11:07] <Seveas> membreya, it's a known problem, it'll be fixed soon
[11:07] <xav> Seveas: madwifi too?
[11:07] <bwlang> roybattius: i don't use fileroller .. dunno
[11:08] <membreya> so when the fix comes down, I just have to do a sudo apt-get upgrade and it will let me load the nvidia module? or will I need to reinstall it ?
[11:08] <xav> I guess update and loading module
[11:08] <Seveas> xav: yes
[11:08] <xav> nice
[11:09] <membreya> so I just need to modprobe it ? It won't complain about symbols?
[11:09] <xav> if its fixed...
[11:09] <xav> lol
[11:09] <Seveas> membreya, as soon as it's fixed
[11:09] <membreya> cool :)
[11:09] <membreya> will just run the nv module :)
[11:09] <Seveas> thenuke, you should add that server to your sources.list
[11:09] <Entity> Hello, I just installed the preview version but it seems I was not asked for root's password... is there a default one?
[11:09] <Seveas> or just download the .deb files and run dpkg -i on them
[11:09] <Seveas> Entity, no
[11:09] <Pineapples10> akrabat, thanks ;-)
[11:10] <critter> Anyone know how eo add exe file to wine tools??
[11:10] <Seveas> there is no root password Entity
[11:10] <critter> to
[11:10] <Seveas> all is sudo
[11:10] <xav> is anyone using muine and/or rhythmbox?
[11:10] <Entity> Seveas, so I need sudo passwd root?
[11:10] <Seveas> if you want a root password per se
[11:11] <Entity> Seveas, because I lauched some admin tools in gnome and it asked for its password
[11:11] <critter> Any Help with Wine?
[11:11] <Seveas> then you need *your own* password, Entity
[11:11] <Seveas> those things use gksudo
[11:11] <viper12> the latest hoary kernel.......what should its uname look like? (heavy probs with the updates.)
[11:11] <Entity> Seveas, ok let's try it, thanks :)
[11:12] <xav> viper12: dont upgrade
[11:12] <membreya> nope, need my GLX, rebooting to old kernel :)
[11:12] <MrKeuner> hi, I did a baad thing. I installed a deb package which was probably poorly designed. dpkg -i installed it with some warnings. And i cannot remove it now. -->subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 127.
[11:12] <MrKeuner> what can I do?
[11:12] <critter> Are there any virus scanners in universe???
[11:13] <xav> u are afraid of virus ?
[11:13] <critter> No just a cold from time to time
[11:13] <viper12> a lil late for that.  xav. the primary box is borked because of it.  no nvidia, and no wireless........and it looks like no matter what I try to do in grub, i'm stuck with 2.6.10-4 or 2.6.10-3.
[11:13] <MrKeuner> critter/ clamav
[11:13] <Seveas> MrKeuner, you can inspect the deb contents and remove it by hand
[11:13] <Pineapples10> how can I install a package that isnt available through apt?
[11:13] <critter> MrKeuner TY
[11:14] <Seveas> Pineapples10, dpkg -i filename.deb
[11:14] <viper12> its funny, same update on the laptop worked...but no gl acceleration on the ati driver either.  wtf did they do?
[11:14] <MrKeuner> Seveas/ what about reporting to dpkg? Won't dpkg think that it is still installed?
[11:14] <Seveas> Pineapples10, if you don't have a deb file either: read the INSTALL file
[11:14] <Seveas> MrKeuner, yes
[11:15] <xav> viper12: restricted-modules doesnt work
[11:15] <xav> maybe it just wasnt updated
[11:15] <Seveas> you can also try fixung the pre-removal script....
[11:15] <xav> drivers need to be built against the new kernel
[11:15] <xav> with same gcc
[11:15] <MrKeuner> I don't care about the files. I just need dpkg to stop telling me about that preremoval script error
[11:15] <MrKeuner> I cannot fix a script I guess :(
[11:16] <xav> there is a start for everything
[11:17] <viper12> okay, having not had to do this before, what is the command to 'revert' to "yesterday"?  I know its the var/cache/apt/archives, but the particular apt-get command to do so....guess i'm brain farting due to irritation here.
[11:17] <MrKeuner> where is that script?
[11:17] <Pineapples10> i have a deb file, when i run dpkg it says I need a package archive file argument
[11:17] <Seveas> Pineapples10: dpkg -i filename.deb
[11:17] <Pineapples10> thats exactly what I did
[11:17] <Seveas> of course: replace filename.deb by the actual filename :)
[11:18] <punkrockguy318> What metapackage can I install to install all the default ubuntu packages?  ubuntu-desktop?
[11:18] <Pineapples10> hehe, I did that too
[11:18] <Seveas> yes punkrockguy318
[11:18] <Seveas> and it should be installed by default
[11:18] <punkrockguy318> Seveas, yeah, but some stuff got messed up on my upgrade
[11:18] <Seveas> Pineapples10, can you copy the exact error
[11:18] <punkrockguy318> thank you!
[11:19] <punkrockguy318> is there any way to install the nvidia 6111 driver on hoary?
[11:19] <Pineapples10> ok, I got it to work but there are a ton of dependancy problems :(
[11:19] <ju> Hi all ! (Hoary is great !!!)
[11:20] <Seveas> Pineapples10, try apt-get'ing the dependencies
[11:20] <MrKeuner> :) I fixed a script
[11:20] <MrKeuner> it was trying to run update-menus which I do not have for some reason
[11:21] <xav> ubuntu is nice but way too much bugged imo
[11:21] <viper12> if updated to the latest hoary, which kernel should be listed using 'uname -a' ??  (If this answer doesn't match mine, then things have gone south on this box to 'rebuild' from scratchville.
[11:22] <unperson> I wanted to show someone Ubuntu with one of the live CDs.  I have the old Warty live CD image, but is there a newer *stable* version?  I don't want anything bleeding edge, because a system that has major bugs makes a bad impression.  It looks like there's a hoary milestone Live CD out, but I really can't tell which, if any, is supposed to be stable and most recent.
[11:22] <xav> maybe wait for hoary to be released
[11:22] <phosphorgreen> yeah less than a month now unperson
[11:22] <viper12> xav, you get that query?
[11:22] <Seveas> xav, hoary isn't final so you cannot expect it to be bug free
[11:23] <viper12> or anyone?
[11:23] <Seveas> xav, use warty if you want stable things
[11:23] <viper12> lol
[11:23] <unperson> Xav: You talking to me?
[11:23] <HiddenWolf> unperson: the latest hoary livecd will work just fine in 99% of the cases, it'll just be more polished in the coming weeks before release
[11:23] <Pineapples10> Seveas, those seem to have dependencies of their own and wont install either, i never though gentoo would be easier than ubuntu!
[11:23] <xav> unperson: yes I thought the same as HiddenWolf
[11:24] <xav> Seveas: well yes I don't know wtf I downloaded a hoary cd. certainly because I saw it in the topic there :p
[11:24] <Seveas> Pineapples10, can't you add the source where you got that .deb to your sources.lis
[11:24] <unperson> Ok.  I just wasn't sure if the live CD release cycle was out of phase with the install distro release cycle.
[11:24] <unperson> I guess the answer is no.
[11:25] <Pineapples10> Seveas, from what others have told me it should be available through apt (DVDRIP) but it does not work for me
[11:25] <xav> but hoary's features are a lot nicer than warty's. if only it wasnt that bugged
[11:25] <unperson> In which case, I'll get give him a copy of the Warty Live for now.  It'll still be a lot newer than whatever old Red Hat he's using.
[11:25] <Seveas> they are (almost) completely sync unperson
[11:25] <Pineapples10> I can try adding it to source.lis I guess
[11:25] <awb4422> i have the gstreaner0.8-mad package, but i can't use rhythmbox to playback mp3s.. anyone have any idea why?
[11:25] <Seveas> Pineapples10, dvdrip cannot be supported, that's why it is more difficult to install
[11:26] <xav> awb4422: all mp3 ? and only mp3 ?
[11:26] <Seveas> you can find install instructions on the Ubuntu wiki
[11:26] <awb4422> xav: yes, all and only mp3
[11:26] <xav> fuck
[11:26] <Pineapples10> alright ill give that a try
[11:26] <xav> awb4422: well check that there are no non mp3 files in your directory
[11:26] <xav> like jpg,...
[11:27] <awb4422> the error message i get: "could not open resource for writing" and "could not pause playback"
[11:27] <Pineapples10> Seveas, so basically I cannot install it then
[11:27] <awb4422> nothing else is in those dir's, only 3 cd's that i ripped to mp3
[11:27] <unperson> Ok, well, I've got to go.  Thanks for the lowdown on the live CD issue.
[11:27] <rattboi> anyone have issues with ALSA in Hoary recently?
[11:27] <xav> awb4422: I see this error a lot
[11:27] <rattboi> I think a recent update hosed my soundcard somehow
[11:27] <xav> awb4422: u are using hoary?
[11:27] <awb4422> warty
[11:27] <xav> it may be fixed in hoary
[11:28] <pofo> to what runlevel i must set inittab so i get rid of gdm ??
[11:28] <Seveas> Pineapples10, of courxe you can
[11:28] <unperson> awb4422:  Did you try any mp3s not made yourself?
[11:28] <xav> anyway just search for it in google or in bugzilla, you'll find stuff about it
[11:28] <unperson> awb4422:  I mean, are we sure the problem is with playback and not with the files?
[11:28] <xav> unperson: its a known bug
[11:28] <awb4422> actually, i think its with my sound
[11:29] <awb4422> it was working before, but not i can't raise the volume. when i try to do that, it just goes back to the bottom
[11:29] <unperson> Ok, I'm out.  Good luck.
[11:29] <awb4422> "sorry, no mixer elements and/or devices found"
[11:29] <awb4422> this is interesting..
[11:29] <rattboi> awb4422,  I'm getting a similar deal
[11:29] <rattboi> are you running Hoary?
[11:29] <Laney> can i do a http install?
[11:29] <xav> why not
[11:29] <xav> rattboi: no
[11:30] <Seveas> Laney, what do you mean by 'http install'
[11:30] <Pineapples10> Seveas, if I try to install 'transcode' i get package transcode has no installation candidate
[11:30] <viper12> since apparently know one saw my question...i'll be askin' it again:
[11:30] <rattboi> I had sound, and I haven't changed my settings, so I guess a recent update has messed up my alsa
[11:30] <viper12> if updated to the latest hoary, which kernel should be listed using 'uname -a' ??  (If this answer doesn't match mine, then things have gone south on this box to 'rebuild' from scratchville.
[11:30] <Seveas> Pineapples10, you have to find sources for it
[11:30] <rattboi> alsa stuff is in the kernel in 2.6, right?
[11:30] <xav> viper12: search on ubuntu site
[11:30] <Pineapples10> gotcha
[11:30] <xav> viper12: you can browse all package there
[11:31] <Laney> Well, I remember doing it with redhat once. Doesn't have to be http; what I did was download a floppy image or two and then give it a web address and it downloded things on the fly
[11:31] <viper12> xav...if someone in here updated TODAY, then all they havta' do is do a uname -a and let me know what they are showing.
[11:31] <Seveas> Pineapples10, add the marillat sources to your sources.list
[11:31] <pofo> how do i get rid of GDM on hoary ??
[11:31] <Seveas> you can find details of how to do that on the wiki
[11:31] <Seveas> then you can install transcode and dvdrip and stuff
[11:31] <pofo> thanks
[11:31] <awb4422> I have an inspiron 8200, i found a hit on google about alsa problems...
[11:31] <xav> viper12: it seems its too complicated for them :)
[11:31] <phosphorgreen> any1 know how to get procmail working in warty?
[11:32] <Seveas> pofo, that was not for you but for Pineapples10 :)
[11:33] <viper12> feh.  this update right after a pre-release version seems a mess. I'll check back in later.
[11:34] <xav> lol
[11:34] <dabi> im trying to use apache2 with my ubuntu (prev. ver.) but i got this error: apache2
[11:34] <dabi> (13)Permission denied: make_sock: could not bind t o address [::] :80
[11:34] <dabi> no listening sockets available, shutting down
[11:34] <dabi> Unable to open logs
[11:34] <dabi> Does ubuntu have firewall what disallows it? how can i turn it off from port 80?
[11:34] <miso> hello
[11:34] <Seveas> dabi, do you run it as root?
[11:34] <phosphorgreen> dabi, check your firewall
[11:34] <dabi> no
[11:34] <xav> lol I'm glad I have not ubuntu on my pc
[11:34] <miso> is there a ubuntu/ppc chanell?
[11:34] <Seveas> dabi, you should
[11:35] <Seveas> only root can bind to port 80
[11:35] <dabi> ok
[11:35] <dabi> hmm
[11:35] <dabi> ok :) lol..
[11:35] <Seveas> and you should start it with its initscript....
[11:35] <phosphorgreen> yeah like:
[11:35] <phosphorgreen> sudo bash
[11:35] <dabi> how?
[11:35] <Seveas> miso, there is no separate ppc channel
[11:35] <phosphorgreen> #/etc/init.d/apache2 start
[11:35] <desrt_gabriel> don't sudo bash
[11:35] <rattboi> hmm
[11:35] <desrt_gabriel> sudo su -
[11:35] <phosphorgreen> why not sudo bash
[11:35] <Seveas> dabi, sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 start
[11:35] <rattboi> synaptic update found new kernel package, and now sound is ok
[11:35] <rattboi> good deal
[11:35] <MrKeuner> why doesn't applications:/// work in nautilus?
[11:36] <awb4422> http://ubuntu-inspiron.blogspot.com/
[11:36] <awb4422> i found this site
[11:36] <desrt_gabriel> MrKeuner; it's not in 2.10
[11:36] <Seveas> MrKeuner, in gnome 2.10 the menu approach is different
[11:36] <desrt_gabriel> MrKeuner; 2.10 uses the new freedesktop.org menu system.  it works differently.
[11:36] <phosphorgreen> how do you upgrade to hoary from warty?
[11:36] <phosphorgreen> i cant find the faq
[11:36] <MrKeuner> how does it go now?
[11:36] <rattboi> phosphorgreen, it's there
[11:36] <Seveas> phosphorgreen, edit your sources.list, change every occurence of warty to hoary and update :)
[11:36] <rattboi> all you have to do is change your sources.list
[11:37] <rattboi> ah, Seveas beat me
[11:37] <Seveas> MrKeuner, it doesn't go....
[11:37] <pofo> :/
[11:37] <Seveas> there is no way yet to manually edit the menu
[11:37] <pofo> so thats why i cant find it
[11:37] <pofo> hehe
[11:37] <Hell-Razor> when will the horay thing be released?
[11:37] <desrt_gabriel> man
[11:37] <jesuel> Well new kernel with latest update and now ati drivers are broken...
[11:37] <Seveas> lol pofo
[11:37] <desrt_gabriel> i can't wait until i can get home and run apt-get update
[11:37] <MrKeuner> Seveas/ I see ok
[11:37] <Seveas> Hell-Razor, in april
[11:37] <desrt_gabriel> it's so exciting
[11:38] <Seveas> pofo: you could chmod -x the gdm initscript :)
[11:38] <pofo> what run level should i change it to ??
[11:38] <rattboi> jesuel, same here :(
[11:38] <pofo> where is it ?
[11:38] <rattboi> didn't notice till you said something
[11:38] <pofo>  /etc ?
[11:38] <Rafael_Kafka> Good night, i installed Ubuntu today and is my first ditro with grub, how i can update grub configuration after change his conf?
[11:38] <Hell-Razor> Seveas, alright,,,will it be a upgrade? or a reformat + install
[11:38] <Seveas> jesuel, rattboi, all restricted_modules are broken
[11:38] <rattboi> Rafael_Kafka, look at /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:38] <critter> Does Anyone Know What the default path is to wine program ? In ubuntu
[11:38] <Seveas> Hell-Razor, you can do what you want
[11:39] <Seveas> upgrading is even very simply
[11:39] <phosphorgreen> critter type which wine
[11:39] <jesuel> goddamit :(
[11:39] <MrKeuner> Rafael_Kafka/ you don't need to if you have already finished with menu.lst
[11:39] <Pineapples10> couldnt stat source package list AHHHHH
[11:39] <rattboi> Seveas, there was an updated restricted modules package
[11:39] <Hell-Razor> Seveas, i would like to upgrade...is it possible i can upgrade now?
[11:39] <Rafael_Kafka> i did look, change, but in lilo we nedd type lilo in shell, in grub this is necessary?
[11:39] <Seveas> pofo, /etc/init.d/
[11:39] <critter> ok
[11:39] <Tuxadermist> So, the plan is to leave us on the weekend with no working nvidia drivers ?
[11:39] <jesuel> rattboi: yup
[11:39] <rattboi> Rafael_Kafka, nope
[11:39] <pi> Does anybody know the proper way to set Xorg to be the default environment after doing a dist-upgrade?
[11:39] <MrKeuner> Rafael_Kafka/ grub doen't need that last step
[11:40] <pofo> thank you
[11:40] <jesuel> *sigh*
[11:40] <Seveas> Tuxadermist, i don't know
[11:40] <Tuxadermist> Good plan
[11:40] <Seveas> rattboi, since when?
[11:40] <rattboi> Seveas, so what should we do?
[11:40] <jesuel> Not happy atm
[11:40] <Pineapples10> you guys, linux is crazy and you are all geniuses
[11:40] <Rafael_Kafka> MrKeuner, thank you very much
[11:40] <rattboi> Seveas, since I updated a few seconds ago
[11:40] <Seveas> ah ok
[11:40] <phosphorgreen> does hoary rock ? i am apt-get upgrading now :)
[11:40] <Seveas> thank you!
[11:40] <rattboi> I saw the restricted-modules package upgrade
[11:40] <jesuel> i saw it as well
[11:40] <Seveas> so Hell-Razor, that must be now :)
[11:40] <LinuxJones> phosphorgreen, I am sure you will like it :)
[11:41] <Rafael_Kafka> it' amazing have gnome in the same day that the sources was liberated!
[11:41] <rattboi> I don't know what I should do...
[11:41] <Rafael_Kafka> i never see this, this is magic!
[11:41] <rattboi> compiling the ATI driver is kinda sucky
[11:41] <Seveas> Rafael_Kafka, hoary even had it before that :)
[11:42] <rattboi> I tried it without success last time
[11:42] <Hell-Razor> Seveas, huh
[11:42] <Rafael_Kafka> Seveas, my friends are very entusiastics here in brazil,
[11:42] <Seveas> Hell-Razor, you can update the restricted-modules now
[11:42] <Hell-Razor> Seveas, alright
[11:42] <pi> I upgraded to hoary, and XFree is still installed and running by default...does anybody know what i can do to run Xorg instead?
[11:43] <rattboi> pi, are you sure you're running xfree?
[11:43] <rattboi> cause xorg can use the old xfree config sometimes
[11:43] <Rafael_Kafka> Seveas, we will build a brazilian-portuguese community for ubuntu
[11:43] <Seveas> Pi, that is odd behaviour, I think you should contact a developer (#ubuntu-devel or ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com)
[11:43] <rattboi> it's just symlinked to the new one
[11:43] <pi> rattboi: yes
[11:44] <pi> pi@AXP:~ $ ps aux |grep X ->root      7109  5.3  4.8  56884 50404 ?        RL   17:31   0:41 /usr/X11R6/bin/X
[11:44] <awb4422> ok still no dice on the sound
[11:44] <_adw_> hey, on my warthog release i had this app in my top-left showing wirelss network strength in %, anyone know where this went in hoary?
[11:44] <critter> phosphorgreen Is this what you mean ?? Wine version 0.0.20040615-lubutul (warty)
[11:45] <Seveas> _adw_ right-click on the panel, select add to panel and select the link reporter
[11:46] <Madeye> anyone can dns easyhttp.com and paste the result to me?
[11:46] <_adw_> Seveas: i dont have link reporter there, should i try apt?
[11:47] <Seveas> easyhttp.com.           14400   IN      A       64.191.106.205
[11:47] <IRCsloth> Anyone here having a problem with USB optical Mice and Warty?
[11:47] <omniscient> nope
[11:47] <omniscient> works straight away
[11:47] <omniscient> :D
[11:47] <IRCsloth> A couple times a day I have a unplug/replug the mouse because it goes dead
[11:48] <Seveas> IRCsloth, i have that problem only with red hat
[11:48] <IRCsloth> I don't think it's USB subsystem related since my USB keyboard works fine
[11:48] <Seveas> sometimes happens when you hold the shift or control key and click a button
[11:48] <Seveas> and it's all red hat machines at my work that have this problem :)
[11:49] <IRCsloth> maybe I'll try one of those usb -> PS/2 connectors I have laying around
[11:49] <spacenuts> I got a problem adding custom repositories
[11:49] <IRCsloth> it's quite annoying
[11:49] <Seveas> spacenuts, what's the problem?
[11:49] <spacenuts> I am willing to add DDV support
[11:49] <spacenuts> using this tutor http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:49] <Skaaa> Please message me if you have any info on why it has been frozen on 38% installed for 20 minutes.
[11:49] <spacenuts> therfor I have to add the marillat server
[11:50] <jesuel> grr
[11:50] <Rafael_Kafka> Seveas, the fstab configuration can use lines from other distros, i can copy or i need do diffenret?
[11:50] <spacenuts> and I did the following
[11:50] <jesuel> yeah ati non functional still *sob*
[11:50] <Seveas> Rafael_Kafka if the drives are the same and the mount points exist, you can copy them
[11:50] <Skaaa> please message me if you can give me some info on my probelms installing.
[11:50] <spacenuts> echo deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:50] <Seveas> jesuel, there seems to be an update now
[11:50] <spacenuts> as said in http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[11:50] <Seveas> that's wrong
[11:51] <spacenuts> apt-get update gives the following
[11:51] <Rafael_Kafka> Seveas, Thank you
[11:51] <spacenuts> W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net testing Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[11:51] <spacenuts> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[11:51] <Skaaa> can anyone help me with installation problems?
[11:51] <Entity> in order to add restricted formats support on my hoary box, what repo you suggest?
[11:51] <Skaaa> i boot up fine with live CD
[11:51] <Seveas> spacenuts, try apt-get update again
[11:51] <jesuel> Seveas: Calculating Upgrade... Done0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[11:51] <Skaaa> but i tired to install and it is stuck on 38% installed
[11:51] <desrt_gabriel> Entity; multiverse, marillat
[11:51] <Rafael_Kafka> Seveas, i did the mount points doing mkdir /dev/hdx /media/hdx
[11:51] <spacenuts> Seveas: already done that
[11:51] <desrt_gabriel> Seveas; this doesn't help
[11:52] <spacenuts> Entity: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:52] <desrt_gabriel> spacenuts; it's not a big deal.  every time you go to install a pacakge from restricted formats it will just say to you "are you sure you want to install this unverified package?"
[11:52] <Entity> spacenuts, I come from that link, that why I was asking
[11:52] <desrt_gabriel> and you have to say 'y'
[11:52] <Rafael_Kafka> spacenuts, i did not have problems with packages without signatures
[11:52] <MaxeyPad> this is somewhat off topic, but are there any good NES emulators for linux
[11:52] <Seveas> spacenuts, than you, i never had the problem myself (still warty) but some people said that running apt-get update twice helped
[11:52] <spacenuts> gabriel: that's not the problem
[11:52] <empty4620> so what are the improvements in Hoary?? Will I be able to play music and video without installing mplayer now?
[11:53] <desrt_gabriel> MaxeyPad; original NES?
[11:53] <omniscient> empty i just use vlc
[11:53] <spacenuts> Seveas: sorry for not mentioning, I am using hoary preview release
[11:53] <djst> empty4620:  not woutout installing the plugins
[11:53] <omniscient> does most of what mplayer does without plugins
[11:53] <empty4620> vlc, hmm, yes, but did hoary get rid of the non-functioning totem and stuff?
[11:53] <mattgirv> Hi
[11:53] <Seveas> hi mattgirv
[11:54] <mattgirv> :( Another sleepless night of non-3d acceleration in the world of ati
[11:54] <mattgirv> :P
[11:54] <spacenuts> is my line in sources.list correct
[11:54] <spacenuts> for hoary?
[11:54] <Skaaa> CAN ANYONE HELP A LINUX NEWBIE WITH INSTALLATION ERRORS?
[11:54] <empty4620> okay I'll check vlc out
[11:54] <Skaaa> I AM USING WARTY
[11:54] <Seveas> Skaaa, not if you have more details about the error....
[11:54] <Hell-Razor> Skaaa: installation errors...how so
[11:54] <spacenuts> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[11:54] <Skaaa> well
[11:54] <desrt_gabriel> Skaaa; only sheep use warty :)
[11:54] <Seveas> Skaaa, my first guess: bad cd, burn a new one
[11:54] <Skaaa> it has no message
[11:54] <mattgirv> could anyone assist me with the ati drivers?
[11:54] <Skaaa> no
[11:54] <MaxeyPad> yeh original NES
[11:54] <Skaaa> this isnt a burned
[11:54] <Seveas> desrt_gabriel, only testers run hoary
[11:54] <desrt_gabriel> MaxeyPad; emerge ati-drivers :)
[11:54] <Hell-Razor> Skaaa, comon what is the error
[11:55] <Skaaa> this is an original cd
[11:55] <Seveas> people who want stability run warty
[11:55] <Skaaa> no error, its just stuck at 38%
[11:55] <desrt_gabriel> mattgirv; emerge ati-drivers, rather :)
[11:55] <Hell-Razor> desrt_gabriel, i miss gentoo
[11:55] <Skaaa> for installation
[11:55] <Hell-Razor> restart
[11:55] <Hell-Razor> and try again
[11:55] <mattgirv> desrt_gabriel, hmm i am on hoary
[11:55] <desrt_gabriel> Hell-Razor; ya.  that'll happen :)
[11:55] <Seveas> Skaaa, restart installation
[11:55] <desrt_gabriel> mattgirv; there's a wikipage on binary drivers
[11:55] <Skaaa> ok
[11:55] <mattgirv> and this is ubuntu.. there isnt emerge
[11:55] <mattgirv> :/
[11:55] <Skaaa> by the way
[11:55] <InitMass> how do i make xmms use /dev/dsp1 and skype use /dev/dsp with the help of esd?
[11:55] <mattgirv> you gentoo whore you! :p
[11:55] <Skaaa> this is a mismatched computer
[11:55] <Skaaa> i just built from three old ones
[11:55] <MaxeyPad> rocknes, is a semi-working emulator for linux
[11:55] <Hell-Razor> desrt_gabriel, yea i miss the gentoo-ness of linux...so far nothing even comes close to how good it is
[11:56] <desrt_gabriel> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:56] <Skaaa> the hard drive is unpartitioned
[11:56] <Hell-Razor> desrt_gabriel, gentoo that is
[11:56] <desrt_gabriel> mattgirv; ^^ go here
[11:56] <Skaaa> ill try restart
[11:56] <Hell-Razor> Skaaa, then partition it
[11:56] <MaxeyPad> I was curious how do I enable 4 channel sound in beep?  I was told to use alsa earlier, but when I switch to alsa it just crashes
[11:56] <desrt_gabriel> Hell-Razor; ubuntu seems like it might be acceptable to throw on a machine that you never use
[11:56] <spacenuts> anyone got those unofficial reps going in hoary?
[11:56] <Skaaa> well it partitions on its own
[11:56] <mattgirv> desrt_gabriel, this will work fine with hoary yes?
[11:56] <Skaaa> when u put the cd in
[11:56] <desrt_gabriel> Hell-Razor; like, i mean, a machine that other people use and expect to work, but generally don't try and do anything fancy with
[11:56] <Seveas> desrt_gabriel, if you dont like ubuntu, why are you here?
[11:57] <Skaaa> the thing is when i try to partition on this computer, it has an error partitioning
[11:57] <Hell-Razor> desrt_gabriel, lol i use my machine all the time..the thing i hate about this thuogh is linux has such shitti 64bit stuff that i ended up having to just stay with the 32bit install and im not about to install gentoo all over again...its such a pain in the ass for gentoo
[11:57] <desrt_gabriel> Seveas; because i haven't decided yet
[11:57] <spacenuts> Seveas: have you got any clues left for me?
[11:57] <Skaaa> the default ubantu partitioner seems to do fine
[11:57] <critter> Anyone know of any GUI virus scanner . That actully works ?
[11:58] <Hell-Razor> desrt_gabriel: all i really want to do is game, download music, burn/rip dvd's (i mean backup my dvds =), and listen to music
[11:58] <Seveas> Hell-Razor, stick to windows :p
[11:58] <Hell-Razor> Seveas, so far i have everthing working great...except the gaming part
[11:58] <desrt_gabriel> Hell-Razor; i doubt ubuntu is right for you, then
[11:59] <Skaaa> yeah im putting linux on this computer so i can use it as a call of duty server and ventrilo server for my CoD clan
[11:59] <Hell-Razor> Seveas, and you couldny pay me to use windows
[11:59] <Hell-Razor> desrt_gabriel, heh well its working great so far
[11:59] <desrt_gabriel> gentoo is better at gaming, ripping dvds and listening to music
[11:59] <spacenuts> Hell-Razor, unlees your satisfied with Mayjong, get a WinPC or a game consoel
[11:59] <Seveas> I play lots of games under linux
[11:59] <Seveas> it's called programming :)
[11:59] <desrt_gabriel> :)
[11:59] <Seveas> and debugging :)
[11:59] <Hell-Razor> spacenuts, mayjong?
[11:59] <desrt_gabriel> gcc - the greatest console of them all
[11:59] <Seveas> no!
[12:00] <Seveas> gdb :)
[12:00] <topyli> spacenuts: hey, xgalaga works well. and nethack! :)