[12:00] <desrt_gabriel> heh
[12:00] <spacenuts> Hell-Razor: you know some funny chinese game where you have to compare blocks and click them
[12:00] <MaxeyPad> is there a way to pick individual packages during the installation
[12:00] <Seveas> nethack is good :)
[12:00] <Hell-Razor> Seveas: what languages? i do c, c++, java, pearl, and python
[12:00] <desrt_gabriel> Seveas; only if you run it under gdb and it segfaults
[12:00] <Skaaa> dude i love that block game
[12:00] <spacenuts> topyli: tetravix kicks ass
[12:00] <desrt_gabriel> Seveas; otherwise it's boring
[12:00] <Skaaa> i have it on my mac
[12:00] <Seveas> c, c++, java, perl, php, python and some others...
[12:00] <desrt_gabriel> everyone must install enigma
[12:00] <desrt_gabriel> it's in apt
[12:00] <desrt_gabriel> it's ridiculously addictive
[12:01] <mattgirv> desrt_gabriel, no, that guide does not work for me
[12:01] <spacenuts> Skaaa: I know Mayjong is ust plain gun
[12:01] <Hell-Razor> spacenuts, oh i have warcraft 3, world of warcraft, and hl2 running great...the only problem i have is with coutner-strike source...a black screen comes up when i try to play it and then it crashes
[12:01] <spacenuts> * fun
[12:01] <desrt_gabriel> mattgirv; i'm sorry to hear that.  what sort of card do you have?
[12:01] <mattgirv> basically i have already added fglrx driver under the xorg.conf, (9800 pro my card is)
[12:01] <desrt_gabriel> did you load the fglrx kernel module?
[12:01] <Hell-Razor> Seveas, java is a waste of tiem i think..i rarly do it
[12:01] <mattgirv> yes
[12:01] <Hell-Razor> desrt_gabriel, how do i check
[12:01] <Seveas> Hell-Razor, I have to do that for my work
[12:01] <mattgirv> FATAL: Module fglrx not found.
[12:01] <fusion88> i need help
[12:01] <fusion88> please
[12:01] <desrt_gabriel> ya.  that'll do  it
[12:02] <fusion88> some one pm
[12:02] <desrt_gabriel> mattgirv; did you follow all the instructions on that page?
[12:02] <mattgirv> yep
[12:02] <desrt_gabriel> mattgirv; it's non-trivial
[12:02] <Seveas> with what fusion88
[12:02] <MaxeyPad> is there a way to get 4 channel sound in beep?
[12:02] <spacenuts> Hell-Razor: wow you got all those games running? nice job
[12:02] <mattgirv> what do you mean?
[12:02] <fusion88> # sudo apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-`uname -r`
[12:02] <Entity> what package is needed to play divx with totem?
[12:02] <desrt_gabriel> mattgirv; you need to compile the ati kernel module
[12:02] <desrt_gabriel> mattgirv; and install it
[12:02] <psi> hi. hald locks up whenever i plug in my logitech dual action gamepad. does anyone have any idea why?
[12:02] <mattgirv> i tried downloading it and manually compiling it
[12:02] <fusion88> i need help
[12:02] <Seveas> and the problem is fusion88?
[12:02] <mattgirv> it was complaining about an error, wait a sec ill tell you what it said
[12:03] <fusion88> pm me
[12:03] <fusion88> jesus
[12:03] <desrt_gabriel> mattgirv; you need to have a copy of the kernel sources around in order to build it
[12:03] <Hell-Razor> Seveas, heh i am not out of highschool yet..plus i want to do networking for my "job"..right now the place my mom works at just hired an administrater for there server and he went to the same college im going to...they hired him for 125$ an hour
[12:03] <mattgirv> it basically said kernel includes at /usr/src/linux/include not found or incomplete
[12:03] <fusion88> i have een in here 3 times every one justs ignores me
[12:03] <Seveas> that's good salary :)
[12:03] <Seveas> fusion88, I am offering you help
[12:03] <Hell-Razor> spacenuts, its called cedega
[12:03] <fusion88> ok
[12:03] <Seveas> if you just state the problem....
[12:03] <mattgirv> but i thought linux-386 is the kernel sources
[12:03] <spacenuts> Hell-Razor: hmm don't know that
[12:04] <mattgirv> i looked at kernel-source-blahbalbhalh and my kernel version isn't there
[12:04] <Seveas> mattgirv, it is linux-source
[12:04] <Hell-Razor> spacenuts, do you play any games? its basically "Wine"
[12:04] <fusion88> mm
[12:04] <Skaaa> totally unrelated question: whats the minimum processer and ram reccemended for running a server on? small server.
[12:04] <desrt_gabriel> Hell-Razor; gdb!
[12:04] <Hell-Razor> spacenuts, its basically wine modified for games
[12:04] <mattgirv> Seveas, oh.. hehe :P
[12:05] <Seveas> :)
[12:05] <desrt_gabriel> mattgirv; the idea of the ati drivers is that they're half-binary and half-source
[12:05] <Hell-Razor> desrt_gabriel, wha?
[12:05] <desrt_gabriel> mattgirv; the source parts are enough that, within reason, you can compile a module for any kernel version
[12:06] <desrt_gabriel> mattgirv; so if your kernel version isn't 'listed' then you build your own
[12:06] <kibo> hello
[12:06] <desrt_gabriel> kibo?
[12:06] <mattgirv> yeah i got that error when running make in the buildmod folder
[12:06] <kibo> can kubuntu livecd install kubuntu to the hd?
[12:06] <fusion88> no
[12:07] <desrt_gabriel> mattgirv; i've never had to deal with these problems
[12:07] <kibo> so I have to install kubuntu from the install cd to install it to the HD
[12:07] <desrt_gabriel> mattgirv; gentoo took care of it for me.  when i got my new LCD monitor i switched to using the open source drivers since the binary ones didn't support DVI on my card.  now that i'm in unbuntu i'm just using the free drivers still
[12:07] <djtansey> anyone here a creative ubuntu installer? i'm trying to get array 6 onto a laptop that has no CD or floppy. i have gotten it to boot using grub for dos. unfortunately it turns out the wireless card i have (lost the ethernet card) isn't automatically supported. suggestions? (the wifi card is a linksys card -- 802.11g)
[12:08] <mattgirv> ah
[12:08] <mattgirv> i used gentoo for a while, but i really don't have time for it, installation wise anyway, i just cant afford to spend all day compiling my system :)
[12:09] <Seveas> djtansey, linksys has no native linux drivers too...
[12:09] <kibo> weird why doesnt' kubuntu come with firefox
[12:09] <djtansey> Seveas: yeah... i know
[12:09] <djtansey> Seveas: guesses?
[12:09] <MaxeyPad> does anyone know how to get 4 channel audio under ubuntu?
[12:10] <bur[n] er> MaxeyPad: ubuntuguide help?
[12:10] <Seveas> djtansey, sorry, not really
[12:10] <desrt_gabriel> mattgirv; use the fine multitasking capabilities of the linux kernel :)
[12:10] <bur[n] er> MaxeyPad: nevermind, it's not there
[12:10] <dabi> hmm where do i have to go to add to my username rights to edit /var/www ?
[12:11] <bur[n] er> dabi: add that user to www
[12:11] <bur[n] er> er... hte www group
[12:11] <dabi> yah.. where? :)
[12:11] <djtansey> anyone ever done an install from a pcmcia drive? (i have an CF card i can put in my pcmcia adapter)
[12:11] <dabi> i know how to do it in mdk but not in ubuntu..
[12:11] <MaxeyPad> Already looked, nothing there
[12:11] <MaxeyPad> yeh
[12:11] <Skaaa> this is so sweet, im going to have four computers in my room soon
[12:11] <Skaaa> 11 in my house total
[12:11] <Seveas> dabi, man adduser
[12:11] <Seveas> :)
[12:11] <dabi> hmm lol too easy.. :P
[12:12] <bur[n] er> dabi: use the gnome "users and groups" thing
[12:12] <kent> Skaaa, what do you need them all tfor?  I have one, and its enough for me :)
[12:12] <MaxeyPad> your energy bill probably sucks skaa :)
[12:12] <dabi> srry.. im still noob with ubuntu :(
[12:12] <bur[n] er> dabi: run "users-admin"
[12:12] <MaxeyPad> I've got like 4 and I almost think its excessive sometimes
[12:12] <dabi> started using linux 1 month ago.. :)
[12:12] <mattgirv> right look, im now trying to make the newest drivers,
[12:13] <mattgirv> im running sudo sh make.sh (in the /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod dir) and it says...
[12:13] <mattgirv> kernel includes at /usr/src/linux/include not found or incomplete
[12:13] <mattgirv> file: /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h
[12:13] <jmob> http://cat.ece.unm.edu:8080/~jmob/ubuntu.png
[12:13] <mattgirv> nice speed :)
[12:14] <psi> hald locks up whenever i plug in my logitech dual action gamepad. does anyone have any idea why?
[12:14] <Seveas> mattgirv, you did download the right set of kernel headers?
[12:14] <jmob> psi: search the bugzilla
[12:14] <mattgirv> well my kernel is 2.6.10-4
[12:14] <psi> ok
[12:14] <mattgirv> i downloaded linux-sources-2.6.10
[12:14] <mattgirv> :/
[12:14] <duncanm> hola
[12:14] <jmob> psi: for hald and ubuntu, report a bug if you can't find anything
[12:14] <Seveas> you should not download the sources
[12:14] <duncanm> where do i find logs to see why something from init.d is not starting properly?
[12:14] <Seveas> only the headers
[12:14] <mattgirv> :/
[12:14] <mattgirv> erm.. how? :P
[12:14] <kibo> its weird there is no torrent for kubuntu
[12:14] <duncanm> Samba stopped working
[12:15] <jmob> duncanm: /var/log
[12:15] <Seveas> apt-get install linux-headers-$VERSION
[12:15] <jmob> duncanm: grep -ir 'samba' .
[12:15] <Seveas> kibo, that's because kubuntu is not yet final
[12:15] <kibo> seems to work ok
[12:15] <jmob> duncanm: probably something like /var/log/samba or /var/log/smb
[12:16] <mattgirv> Seveas, aHHHH downloading now :)
[12:16] <mattgirv> bah,
[12:16] <mattgirv> i still get the error
[12:16] <Seveas> hmm
[12:16] <dabi> i added my self to www-data restart x? i dont have rights yet..
[12:16] <mattgirv> Setting up linux-headers-2.6.10-4 (2.6.10-25.2) ...
[12:17] <mattgirv> hmm, but my kernel is 2.6.10-4 , whats the stuff within the brackets ?
[12:17] <duncanm> hrm
[12:17] <duncanm>   params.c:Section() - Empty section name in configuration file.
[12:18] <duncanm> ah, i figured it out
[12:18] <duncanm> i think the new sharing stuff in nautilus is buggy
[12:18] <mattgirv> i haven't , this is a wierd problem :(
[12:24] <jmob> dabi: you inherit rights from what your shell had when you initally started everything up
[12:24] <jmob> dabi: so if you added yourself to something new, you need to restart in order to get the new privs
[12:24] <jmob> dabi: if you start a new shell though, it'll have to the new privs
[12:24] <jmob> s/to the/the/
[12:27] <Monoboy> Hello, I'm having problems with startx right after install. I get this error when running the startx command:
[12:28] <Monoboy>  /usr/bin/X11/startx: line 140: xinit: command not found
[12:31] <jmob> DarthFrog: http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html
[12:32] <topyli> Monoboy: xinit is in the xbase-clients package
[12:33] <Monoboy> I'm new to Linux, so what does that mean?
[12:34] <Monoboy> I installed Ubuntu twice, and after install I'd get to the prompt for username and password, and then it'd just put me in bash.
[12:34] <fusion88> i need help
[12:34] <fusion88> can some one pm me
[12:34] <jmob> fusion88: What's the problem?
[12:34] <fusion88> i need some one good at linux
[12:34] <fusion88> jmod can u pm me
[12:34] <jmob> fusion88: Why don't you say the problem here so more people can potentially help?
[12:34] <topyli> Monoboy: it means you need to have that package installed. try 'sudo apt-get install xbase-clients'
[12:34] <fusion88> ok
[12:35] <fusion88> i have a belkin
[12:35] <fusion88> usb
[12:35] <fusion88> wireless card
[12:35] <fusion88> i need help installin it
[12:35] <fusion88> i know u cant use
[12:35] <fusion88> amtel drivers
[12:35] <fusion88> but there really hard to install
[12:35] <fusion88> so
[12:35] <fusion88> is there a way i can install it easy
[12:35] <fusion88> i can us ndiswrapper
[12:36] <fusion88> i am confused
[12:36] <fusion88> cannt
[12:36] <jmob> fusion88: buy a new wireless card?
[12:37] <fusion88> :(
[12:37] <cavediver> I'm having problem with archive manager. It won't extract my rar fles. Archive not supported it says.
[12:37] <jmob> cavediver: sudo apt-get install rar
[12:37] <confrey> hieverybody
[12:37] <roybattius> cavediver: it doesn't suppport rar
[12:37] <jmob> roybattius: yes it does
[12:37] <scorpix> is there laptop that 100% compatible with ubuntu?
[12:37] <jmob> roybattius: if you install the rar untility it does
[12:37] <cavediver> roybattius: it dit, a week ago, then it broke
[12:38] <roybattius> hmm
[12:38] <cavediver> jmob: package not availible
[12:38] <roybattius> fileroller seems to be borked in another way too
[12:38] <confrey> I have installed ubuntu hoary rc 5.04 on my laptop; hibernation works fine,but I can't use sleep and resume; how can I do it?
[12:38] <cavediver> I have unrar installed though
[12:38] <jmob> cavediver: apt-cache search rar?
[12:38] <jmob> fusion88: I dunno, never had experience with that
[12:38] <cavediver> jmob: it gives huge amount of hits.
[12:38] <fusion88> j
[12:39] <jmob> fusion88: google is your friend, if all else fails look for a card that people say is supported and buy it
[12:39] <preglow> how do i update the nvidia kernel modules for a new kernel?
[12:39] <cavediver> doesn't seem to exist a rar package in my sources
[12:39] <paulproteus> fusion88: What are you trying to do?
[12:39] <kibo> is kubuntu not stable enough to use?
[12:39] <jmob> cavediver: apt-cache search|egrep '^rar.*'
[12:40] <cavediver> E: You must give exactly one pattern
[12:40] <jmob> cavediver: apt-cache search|grep -E '^rar.*'
[12:40] <jmob> err
[12:40] <jmob> cavediver: apt-cache search rar|grep -E '^rar.*'
[12:41] <confrey> I have installed ubuntu hoary rc 5.04 on my laptop; hibernation works fine,but I can't use sleep and resume; how can I do it?
[12:41] <jmob> cavediver: it's in Debian, maybe you don't have all the repos like multiverse/universe?
[12:41] <cavediver> no hit besides rarpd unfortunately
[12:41] <cavediver> jmob: i have both.
[12:41] <cavediver> But then i get errors trying to get oppenoffice2 so maybe something is wrong in my sources.list
[12:42] <jmob> cavediver: when's the late time you ran ``apt-get update'' manually?
[12:42] <jmob> s/late/last/
[12:42] <cavediver> today
[12:42] <cavediver> I run Hoary
[12:42] <cavediver> can i post my sources.list somewhere ?
[12:42] <jmob> fusion88: Linux isn't exactly a nice place as far as supporting every bit of hardware imaginable
[12:42] <kibo> if I install kubuntu now, will I have to format and reinstall to update to the new releases?
[12:42] <jmob> cavediver: rafb.net/paste
[12:43] <Ad-Rock> cavediver pastebin.com
[12:43] <cavediver> kibo: why not intstall kde in ubuntu ?
[12:43] <kibo> well what's kubuntu for
[12:43] <cavediver> I dont know :)
[12:43] <dabi> is there some gui for apache2 conf in ubuntu?
[12:44] <Ad-Rock> kibo: well, i think its just for ppl that only want kde in their systems :P
[12:44] <kibo> I dont know how to install kde thats why
[12:44] <cavediver> jmob: it's posted.
[12:44] <jmob> cavediver: where?
[12:44] <Monoboy> Hmm... I still get the same error after running that command. I think I'm about to give up.
[12:44] <jmob> cavediver: what's the link?
[12:44] <ompaul> kibo you should really ask that in #kubuntu where the kde heads are all hanging out
[12:44] <cavediver> http://rafb.net/paste/results/BmZrDN71.html
[12:44] <mattgirv> dammit :( i am SOOO close to installing ati drivers
[12:44] <kibo> ok
[12:44] <mattgirv> make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.10-4-386/build: No such file or directory.  Stop.
[12:44] <mattgirv> make: *** [kmod_build]  Error 2
[12:44] <ompaul> kibo, if only that you would be in the presence of those that use kde more than gnome
[12:45] <mattgirv> what shall i do? :(
[12:45] <Ad-Rock> kibo: sudo apt-get install kde-core
[12:45] <cavediver> jmob: http://rafb.net/paste/results/BmZrDN71.html
[12:46] <cavediver> Is it something with that restriced thing in the primary repository ?
[12:46] <jmob> cavediver: oh, amd64, that might be why
[12:46] <cavediver> Hmm, i see...
[12:47] <cavediver> I thought all packages availible in i386 was in amd64.....
[12:47] <jmob> DarthFrog: dude, I don't give a crap if you're away, please turn that off
[12:47] <jmob> cavediver: no, not entirely
[12:48] <jmob> cavediver: I have an amd64 system at home, and that hasn't been the case for me
[12:48] <jmob> cavediver: there's still some stuff that won't compile for one reason
[12:48] <jmob> (or possibly multiple reasons)
[12:48] <cavediver> Ahh ok..
[12:48] <mattgirv> please can someone help with this error = make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.10-4-386/build: No such file or directory.  Stop.
[12:49] <jmob> cavediver: you can try compiling it yourself and using checkinstall to install it
[12:49] <cavediver> well.. i will  have a look.
[12:49] <jmob> cavediver: or... try looking at the config for archive manager, maybe you can tell it what program to use for rar
[12:49] <cavediver> unrar e works in console
[12:50] <cavediver> It's strange that it has worked up until a week ago.
[12:50] <cavediver> Suddenly, no rar support...
[12:51] <jmob> cavediver: you could look at the ChangeLog for archive manager
[12:52] <eb0x> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[12:52] <eb0x>   libgnutls10-dev: Depends: libgnutls10 (= 1.0.4-8) but 1.0.4-3ubuntu1 is to be installed
[12:52] <eb0x>                    Depends: libgcrypt7-dev (>= 1.1.90-3) but it is not going to be installed
[12:52] <eb0x>                    Depends: libopencdk8-dev but it is not going to be installed
[12:52] <eb0x> E: Broken packages
[12:52] <eb0x> How do I fix that?
[12:54] <jms> could anyone help me out? i cant seem to get ubuntu booted properly
[12:54] <jms> or at all for that matter
[12:54] <jms> system hangs on "starting hotplug subsystem..."
[12:56] <mattgirv> please can someone help with this error = make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.10-4-386/build: No such file or directory.  Stop.
[12:56] <crimsun> eb0x: what package is that for?
[12:57] <jmob> mattgirv: sudo apt-get install apt-file
[12:57] <jmob> mattgirv: sudo apt-file update
[12:57] <jmob> mattgirv: sudo apt-file search /lib/modules/2.6.10-4-386/build
[12:57] <eb0x> sudo apt-get install libgnutls10-dev
[12:58] <eb0x> for libgnutls10-dev
[12:58] <QMario> Hello everyone. :D
[12:58] <viper12> just keep in mind that the latest hoary updates have BROKEN the restricted modules..  referring to bug 7485
[12:59] <jmob> cavediver:
[12:59] <jmob> cavediver: apt-listchanges `apt-cache show gaim|grep 'Filename:'|cut -d: -f2|sed 's:\(.*/\)\(.*\):/var/cache/apt/archives/\2:'`
[12:59] <QMario> Has anyone ever shared a printer over a network before?
[12:59] <crimsun> eb0x: right, but what are you trying to do ultimately?
[12:59] <viper12> yes qmario.
[12:59] <QMario> How do you do it?
[12:59] <crimsun> eb0x: please paste in #flood the output of apt-cache policy libgnutls10-dev
[01:00] <eb0x> crimsun: im trying to compile GAIM 1.1.4 with ssl support so i can connect to the msn servers
[01:00] <viper12> depends on the network.  my own is using cups to share an epson between 3 ubuntu boxes.
[01:00] <crimsun> eb0x: are you running Hoary?
[01:00] <eb0x> ya
[01:00] <crimsun> eb0x: Hoary already has 1.1.4
[01:00] <viper12> if you are referring to a windows network, then you need to look at the samba how-tos on the website.
[01:00] <eb0x> Yes, but I need SSL to connect to MSN.
[01:00] <eb0x> MSN 9 now requires SSL
[01:01] <QMario> I'm trying to share between 1 Ubuntu/Windows to  two other Windows computer.
[01:01] <eb0x> And to put SSL (according to the gaim site)
[01:01] <eb0x> you have to
[01:01] <eb0x> $ sudo apt-get remove gaim
[01:01] <eb0x> $ sudo apt-get install libgnutls10-dev
[01:01] <eb0x> $ ./configure --enable-gnutls=yes
[01:01] <eb0x> $ sudo make
[01:01] <eb0x> $ sudo make install
[01:01] <viper12> then get to the samba howto.  it will walk you through the process.
[01:01] <crimsun> eb0x: 1.1.4 in Hoary already has that.
[01:01] <mattgirv> erm jmob i done that and
[01:01] <socomm> MSN. :^/
[01:01] <mattgirv> there are no responses
[01:01] <crimsun> eb0x: I'm connected to MSN via 1.1.4 as I type.
[01:01] <eb0x> well it doesnt let me connect
[01:02] <QMario> Have you done it before?
[01:02] <eb0x> It tells me that I need SSL
[01:02] <eb0x> it comes up with an error and tells me to go to a link
[01:02] <njan> I'm connected to MSN with gaim 1.1.0 and it works fine..
[01:02] <viper12> qmario, I use an all linux network, so haven't needed to.
[01:02] <crimsun> eb0x: paste the output of apt-cache policy gaim in #flood
[01:02] <jmob> mattgirv: really? hrmm
[01:02] <eb0x> Ya i could connect with 1.0.0
[01:03] <QMario> Oh....
[01:03] <crimsun> eb0x: you don't have Hoary main
[01:03] <crimsun> eb0x: are you _positive_ you're running Hoary?
[01:03] <jmob> mattgirv: what's `uname -a` say?
[01:03] <eb0x> i did the update thing last night
[01:04] <eb0x> dist-upgrade or something like that
[01:04] <mattgirv> Linux darkstar 2.6.10-4-386 #1 Thu Mar 10 03:25:00 GMT 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[01:04] <crimsun> eb0x: but you only have 1.1.4 installed
[01:04] <crimsun> eb0x: err, you _don't_
[01:04] <socomm> 1.1.4 is the latest
[01:04] <eb0x> it says i do
[01:04] <eb0x> according to the "About" dialog thing
[01:04] <wolki> hi
[01:05] <crimsun> eb0x: did you compile that yourself?
[01:05] <Sethosayher> Hello
[01:05] <eb0x> ya
[01:05] <crimsun> eb0x: that's why...
[01:05] <Sethosayher> Can anyone help me? I have a problem with my internet conncetion in Ubuntu....
[01:05] <eb0x> and im trying to go back now
[01:05] <sal002> Is there an iptables install problem?
[01:05] <eb0x> and do what the directions say
[01:05] <eb0x> to get ssl
[01:05] <mattgirv> what now jmob, any ideas?
[01:05] <crimsun> eb0x: the easiest way is to (re)enable hoary/main and install gaim
[01:05] <eb0x> er
[01:05] <eb0x> how do i do that
[01:06] <crimsun> eb0x: open Synaptic and check the box for hoary main restricted
[01:06] <crimsun> eb0x: then click Ok and Reload
[01:07] <eb0x> Hoary main restricted where
[01:07] <eb0x> in the packages listing?
[01:07] <crimsun> eb0x: Settings>Repositories
[01:07] <Tricker> how to mount a vfat partition so all users can read all files in it????
[01:08] <jmob> mattgirv: dpkg -L |grep linux-headers
[01:08] <crimsun> Tricker: mount it with -o umask=000
[01:08] <eb0x> i dont have that in thre
[01:08] <jmob> mattgirv: change -L to -l
[01:08] <mattgirv> dpkg-query: --listfiles needs at least one package name argument
[01:08] <crimsun> eb0x: are you _positive_ you're running Hoary?
[01:08] <mattgirv> ok
[01:08] <mattgirv> ii  linux-headers- 2.6.10-25.2    Header files related to Linux kernel version
[01:08] <eb0x> i upgraded last night .. yes
[01:09] <crimsun> eb0x: dpkg -l libc6|grep ^ii|awk '{ print $3 }'
[01:09] <Tricker> crimsun can i pm?
[01:09] <Pineapples10> BEES LMAO
[01:09] <eb0x> 2.3.2.ds1-13ub
[01:09] <crimsun> eb0x: you're running Warty
[01:09] <eb0x> I followed the instructions on ubuntuguide.org
[01:10] <crimsun> eb0x: dpkg doesn't lie. You're running Warty.
[01:10] <eb0x> Okay
[01:10] <eb0x> Then the site was wrong i guess
[01:10] <eb0x> i dont know
[01:10] <crimsun> eb0x: do you want to upgrade to Hoary?
[01:10] <eb0x> i believe you
[01:10] <eb0x> ya i do
[01:11] <viper12> ya might wanna hang off on the update........today's update of the 26 kernel stuff borks ati and nvidia as well as restricted modules in general. (bug 7485)
[01:11] <jmob> mattgirv: COLUMNS=999 dpkg -l|grep linux-headers|grep ^ii|awk '{print $2}'
[01:11] <viper12> the abi stuff was changed.
[01:11] <hawke_> viper12: all ati, or just radeon?
[01:11] <crimsun> eb0x: sudo sed -e 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:11] <mattgirv> linux-headers-2.6.10-4 (jmob)
[01:11] <n0b0dy> how to use the root account of ubuntu?
[01:11] <hawke_> n0b0dy: via 'sudo'
[01:11] <viper12> killed ati as well as nvidia over here.........talking with the kernel guys.......they borked something in abi in the update.
[01:11] <eb0x> that didnt do anything
[01:11] <crimsun> eb0x: then, sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[01:12] <n0b0dy> I installed ubuntu recently
[01:12] <eb0x> okay its downloading stuff
[01:12] <Funraiser> have u heard of PAN ? Newsgroup system to download *files*, this stuff looks promising...
[01:12] <eb0x> crimsun: thank you :)
[01:12] <viper12> restricted mods aren't getting loaded properly because of these changes.
[01:12] <crimsun> eb0x: np
[01:13] <Ad-Rock> how do i set up my startup applications? like gdesklets, gkrellm etc?
[01:13] <awb4422> when doing an apt-get dist-upgrade and I get prompted about what I want to do with the current version of something (in this case, bash.bashrc) should I overwrite?
[01:13] <eb0x> crimsun: will i need to do anything after this stuff finishes downloading?
[01:13] <QMario> What's pytha?
[01:13] <crimsun> awb4422: yes, you should - unless you know for a fact that you yourself edited that file
[01:13] <awb4422> oh ok, i havent done anything
[01:13] <n0b0dy> Hannes_ It asks for the password
[01:13] <crimsun> eb0x: are you using binary-only ATI or Nvidia drivers?
[01:14] <n0b0dy> Hannes_ I used: sudo -u root apt-get update
[01:14] <eb0x> I *think* NVidia
[01:14] <eb0x> Is there a way to check, so that I can be sure?
[01:15] <Ad-Rock> how do i set up my startup applications? like gdesklets, gkrellm etc?
[01:15] <crimsun> cat /proc/driver/nvidia/version
[01:15] <Ad-Rock> like, i want them loaded at gnome startup
[01:15] <eb0x> cat: /proc/driver/nvidia/version: No such file or directory
[01:16] <crimsun> Ad-Rock: then just save session settings when you log out with those applications still loaded
[01:16] <heze> nvidia fixed yet?
[01:16] <crimsun> heze: no, not yet
[01:16] <heze> eta? :)
[01:16] <viper12> its not nvidia heze.............its a kernel issue.  see: bugzilla 7485 for a workaround to get desktop up.
[01:17] <jms> could someone please tell me howto fix this problem?
[01:17] <Ad-Rock> crimsun: where's that? im on gnome 2.10
[01:17] <heze> viper12, oh i c
[01:17] <viper12> gonna be awhile according to the kernel guys.  (recompiling a new one as we speak.)
[01:17] <crimsun> Ad-Rock: it shows up when you choose log out
[01:18] <Ad-Rock> crimsun: and when it reboot my box my applications will be there?
[01:18] <crimsun> Ad-Rock: no need to reboot, just save the session and log out
[01:18] <n0b0dy> Hannes_ Ready, I got!
[01:19] <heze> viper12, better be rdy when i wake up ;)
[01:19] <n0b0dy> Hannes_ tks!
[01:19] <viper12> heze, lol
[01:19] <Ad-Rock> crimsun: yeah, i know that there's no need to reboot, but when i reboot SOMEDAY my application will be there?
[01:19] <crimsun> Ad-Rock: as long as it's running when you save session & log out, yes
[01:19] <Ad-Rock> ok
[01:20] <sal002> iptables still broken?
[01:20] <n0b0dy> Hannes_ But, Has some way to use root account in ubuntu?
[01:20] <Ad-Rock> crimsun: thx
[01:20] <crimsun> sal002: "still broken"
[01:21] <Sethosayher> Can anyone help me with my Ubuntu Internet connection?
[01:21] <Sethosayher> I'm having some problems...
[01:21] <heze> viper12, argh i got that "workaround" already :P i just watched the most laggy movie ever tho the awesomeness of it compensates.
[01:21] <Sethosayher> i think it connects to the Update servers fine, the Live CD also worked, but when I'm in my Ubuntu Installation, I can't access the internet...
[01:21] <viper12> lol heze...well, bettern' nothin' right?
[01:22] <b_> i am new to ubuntu how can i fix the resolution from my computer
[01:22] <Tricker> how do u unmount a driver?
[01:22] <heze> viper12, sure is.. it's good to notice even the kernel developers are humans :)
[01:22] <heze> tricker, a device driver? man rmmod
[01:22] <eb0x> crimsun: cat: /proc/driver/nvidia/version: No such file or directory
[01:22] <heze> tricker, if it's a kernel module that is
[01:22] <Tricker> a hdd.
[01:22] <Tricker> fat.
[01:22] <heze> umount
[01:22] <b_> if it is 1024 by 768 the icons look double
[01:22] <viper12> yep......although that was a nasty surprise for me today.  getting sooo used to flawless updates to the testing machines, that when something finally goes splat, caught me offguard.
[01:23] <Laney> What kernel does this latest preview run?
[01:23] <heze> viper12, and i chose the perfect day to go try linux desktop once again (i do it like once a year and always end up having only winxp :P)
[01:24] <heze> laney, 2.6.10-4-k7 here :)
[01:24] <Laney> right, thanks
[01:24] <viper12> well, heze, other than this little boink, hoary has been really stable.  I ditched wintendo completely a few weeks back.
[01:24] <heze> or is there a difference bitween the preview release and umm mine... dunno
[01:24] <Laney> just wanted to know if it was going to support my sata card
[01:24] <_ale> does ubuntu have any clipboard tool by default?
[01:24] <Laney> no, that's fine. it needs 2.6
[01:24] <heze> viper12, my sweet ol' total annihilation kinda requires win32 =(
[01:25] <viper12> lol....I was in the same boat regarding eve-online, but the latest cedega runs it fine. :)
[01:25] <preglow> how do i update the nvidia kernel modules for a new kernel?
[01:25] <_ale> make modules
[01:25] <roka> what package is it i need to get the c linux programmers manual?
[01:25] <viper12> preglow......warty or hoary?  if hoary and today's update?  then see: bugzilla 7485 first.
[01:26] <heze> preglow, if it's ubuntu kernel you're having there, just install the corresponding linux-restricted-modules -package
[01:26] <preglow> hoary
[01:26] <heze> (it's in the restricted repo)
[01:27] <preglow> hoary and just installed, so i guess i'll have a look at bugzilla
[01:28] <heze> preglow, better try tomorrow again :)
[01:28] <preglow> heh, will
[01:29] <n0b0dy> How to for configure my network?
[01:29] <drspin> Is this a bad thing?
[01:29] <drspin> NVRM: not using NVAGP, AGPGART is loaded!!
[01:29] <Phr0sty> Hey, guys - I just updated my kernel, and now xorg wont start (nvidia card and Hoary). Anyone know why?
[01:30] <heze> n0b0dy, first you need some network device. what's your setup?
[01:30] <heze> phr0sty, yes it's broken for the moment, see: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7485
[01:30] <heze> there's a workaround there
[01:30] <crimsun> eb0x: that's fine, you aren't using it then
[01:31] <Phr0sty> heze: Thanx man!
[01:31] <QMario> How do I restart cups
[01:31] <n0b0dy> heze its the first time that I am configuring my netword...
[01:31] <heze> qmario, /etc/init.d/cupsys restart
[01:31] <ad-rock> any good ftp client for gnome?
[01:31] <n0b0dy> heze ubuntu no have a tool to configure networks?
[01:31] <heze> ad-rock, try gftp
[01:32] <n0b0dy> heze like etherconf
[01:32] <heze> n0b0dy, i've never seen etherconf but yeah the basic setup has something in X
[01:32] <ad-rock> heze: thx man
[01:32] <n0b0dy> heze in X?
[01:32] <farruinn> n0b0dy: computer>system>network or something like that
[01:32] <heze> n0b0dy, u running graphical desktop there?
[01:33] <n0b0dy> heze yeah.
[01:33] <n0b0dy> heze gnome.
[01:33] <heze> n0b0dy, does farruinn's advice work for you?
[01:33] <bryan> how hard would it be to port a small mac osx program to linux?
[01:33] <heze> bryan, i can tell i couldn't do it :)
[01:34] <n0b0dy> heze farruinn's!?
[01:34] <QMario> How do I know if my printer is shared?
[01:34] <heze> < farruinn> n0b0dy: computer>system>network or something like that
[01:34] <farruinn> bryan: what's the program?
[01:34] <QMario> Is there a hand on the printer or something?
[01:35] <ratana> hi
[01:35] <heze> hey
[01:35] <QMario> How do I know if my printer is shared?
[01:35] <QMario> Is there a hand on the printer or something?
[01:35] <chimaera> hi
[01:36] <ratana> anyone free to explain how to use apt to me?
[01:36] <heze> ratana, what's the problem?
[01:36] <QMario> apt?
[01:36] <blizah> i accidentally deleted the system tray in gnome anyone know how to go about getting in back?
[01:36] <crimsun> blizah: add it via second-click on the menu bar
[01:36] <farruinn> blizah: right click the panel and select "add to panel"
[01:36] <bryan> it's called statfoo, but it doesn't look like the source is available
[01:37] <farruinn> oops
[01:37] <projectmayhem> hey all
[01:37] <ratana> i want to get mplayer for my ubuntu 5.x
[01:37] <blizah> you guys know what the name of it is?
[01:37] <chimaera> i can't install hoary preview for my cd drive isn't found. i have a sata hdd and, of course, a pata cd drive. i found some reports about it in the forum, but no solutions..
[01:37] <boch> whats the default root password?
[01:37] <heze> boch, it's not set at all.
[01:38] <farruinn> boch: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[01:38] <n0b0dy> heze how to change my language (gnome)?
[01:38] <heze> n0b0dy, language as in keymap? or menu language or both? : 
[01:38] <boch> oh, i didnt know that
[01:38] <blizah> farruinn or crimsun: you guys know what the name of it would be..cant seem to find it
[01:38] <farruinn> boch: it's to protect yourself from yourself =)
[01:39] <n0b0dy> heze both
[01:39] <farruinn> blizah: sorry, not at my ubuntu destkop atm
[01:39] <roka> what package do i have to download to get the manpages for c programming?
[01:39] <crimsun> roka: manpages-dev
[01:40] <projectmayhem> hey how do i uninstall limewire?
[01:40] <heze> n0b0dy, i think you need to set the locale somehow
[01:40] <roka> crimsun, ty alot
[01:40] <boch> farruinn lol, tomorrow i blow up this linux disto? to install slackware
[01:40] <chlunde> Hmm, will Hoary have USB stick installation media?
[01:41] <ad-rock> http://powbow.webhop.net/images/gnome.png --- rate my new Gnome 2.10 desktop :D
[01:42] <heze> ad-rock, too much idle cpu :P
[01:42] <heze> ad-rock, aptitude install distributed-net ;)
[01:42] <farruinn> boch: if you read that wiki page you'll see that you can set a root password
[01:43] <farruinn> boch: a "default" root password on the other hand would be a reason not to use a distro imho
[01:43] <Phr0sty> heze: That fix does not work...
[01:43] <heze> ad-rock, groovy colors and nice big icons down there :)
[01:43] <heze> phr0sty, what's the error?
[01:44] <ad-rock> heze: thx :D what's distributed-net?
[01:44] <projectmayhem> ad-rock where'd you get the background?
[01:44] <Phr0sty> heze: No screens found
[01:44] <ad-rock> projectmayhem: deviantart.com
[01:44] <projectmayhem> thx ad-rock
[01:44] <blizah> ah system tray = notification area
[01:44] <ad-rock> projectmayhem np
[01:44] <heze> ad-rock, http://distributed.net/ it's a competition to try to crack md5 or sth :)
[01:45] <heze> phr0sty, umm kay, is there some line with sth like FATAL: bla bla?
[01:45] <Phr0sty> heze: nope
[01:45] <heze> phr0sty, something to indicate why it fails? lines with (EE)?
[01:46] <ad-rock> heze: ooh one of those "donate your cicles" stuff?
[01:46] <Phr0sty> heze: yeah - nvidia kernel module - but apt-get says its loaded!
[01:47] <heze> phr0sty, eww, you need to edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change the driver from "nvidia" to "nv"
[01:47] <drspin> Is there a better way to do this ??  ----->>  http://digital-conquest.ath.cx/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu#Optimizing_Nvidia_3D_driver
[01:47] <Phr0sty> heze: already is like that - it just stopped working after the kernel update
[01:48] <awb4422> i just upgraded to hoary - it seems that nautilus applications:///System "is not a valid location"
[01:48] <scorn> hey whts the lastest i should download
[01:48] <awb4422> does anyone know where the new System:/// is?
[01:49] <mz2> is beagle worth trying?
[01:49] <heze> phr0sty, hmm, try rmmod nvidia if it confuses :o i'm harC[Cdly an expert on X =(
[01:49] <heze> oi, mz :)
[01:50] <helloyo> i like ubuntu, but why? whats it do so differently?
[01:50] <ratana> Heee hee ... i know how apt work now
[01:50] <apokryphos> helloyo: what?
[01:51] <heze> helloyo, it's just yet another distribution where things are done a bit differently.
[01:51] <johso> heya peeps... now, I've tried numbers of different guides to install my gfx-card, which is a ATi Mobility Radeon 9700pro 128mb. But nothing seems to really help - but I don't really know how to test it, I just tried to run a screensaver and it is sooo laggy and slow that I assumed something is wrong... Anybody know how to fix this? :/
[01:52] <mdz> helloyo: are you asking us why you like it? ;-)
[01:52] <cwillu> Phr0sty:  if it's just dumping you out at a character mode screen, try sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[01:52] <hayden> how do i add to a menu under hoary?
[01:52] <mdz> johso: I believe that card requires the proprietary driver in order to have 3D acceleration
[01:53] <johso> mdz: how so?
[01:53] <woodwizzle> I need help getting a modem on my laptop working
[01:53] <woodwizzle> I was able to install the scanmodem script, but I can't really figure out what driver its telling me to try or anything
[01:53] <mdz> johso: I believe it's in the FAQ
[01:54] <cwillu> johso:  ati's site should have a guide;  unfortunately, you're unlikely to find anyone in this channel who can help anymore than that, except maybe if you run into a snag with the kernel
[01:54] <mdz> johso: http://www.ubuntu.com/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:55] <johso> mdz: I've tried that, but that didn't work out either...
[01:55] <viper12> johso, are you using hoary or warty, and if warty, are you using the 386 kernel?
[01:56] <johso> viper12: warty and the 386 kernel...
[01:56] <viper12> My laptop wouldn't work either until updating it to 686 kernel and restricted libraries...then the ati drivers became happy. (9200 mobility)
[01:56] <woodwizzle> I tried setting up my modem in gnome's network settings but It couldn't configure the modem itself. (i think its because i have no /dev/ppp0 but I do have a /dev/ppp and)
[01:57] <woodwizzle> I also tried autodetection with pppconfig but that didn't work either
[01:57] <johso> viper12: so I have to update it to 686 in order to make it work?
[01:57] <viper12> what type machine johso ?  laptop, correct?
[01:58] <johso> viper12: yea..
[01:58] <viper12> and yeah, the 686 and restricted seemed to let the ati drivers live.
[01:58] <viper12> update the 686 and then use the wiki again.  should get you rolling.
[01:58] <johso> viper12: but how do I update to 686? is it difficult?
[01:59] <woodwizzle> Windows says its a CXT AC-link modem for Intel
[01:59] <woodwizzle> Should I assume CXT is Conexant?
[02:00] <helloyo> i was setting up some keyboard shortuts, and now my "see" key won't work. as in the letter "see"
[02:01] <johso> helloyo: also happened to me with P, but I just logged out and logged in and everything was fine..
[02:01] <helloyo> johso, ok thanks!
[02:01] <Phr0sty> Anyone know how to fix this new kernel problem with Hoary and a nVidia card?
[02:01] <viper12> johso,   the fastest way:   sudo apt-get install linux-686
[02:02] <johso> ok
[02:02] <viper12> the other way....go to synaptics and search on "linux-686"
[02:02] <johso> but what does it exactly do?
[02:02] <johso> what's the difference?
[02:03] <viper12> its the optimized kernel for newer processors machines......and its associated modules are more up to date. (general layman's explanation.)
[02:03] <viper12> the 386 in general is more for backward compatibility with older hardware.
[02:04] <johso> so it will not change anything really? I was just worried it might leave some programs out or something...
[02:04] <natecull> running Hoary Preview live CD
[02:04] <natecull> looks good...
[02:04] <ikama> Anybody using alps touchpad ?
[02:04] <viper12> no johso whatever you've got rolling now, ain't gonna get borked after the update.
[02:04] <viper12> on WARTY. lol.  god help you if its hoary with TODAY's update.  snicker.
[02:05] <IRCMonkey> i get an error when i try to exit out of the partition table i get an error that says root file system found, how do i correct this?
[02:06] <tritium> heze, I'm back
[02:06] <johso> viper12: ok, thanks :)
[02:06] <viper12> np
[02:06] <viper12> time fer food.  laterz.
[02:06] <natecull> I see Hoary Preview has OpenOffice.org 1.1, is 2.0 expected for the gold release?
[02:07] <natecull> or will that wait for Bendy?
[02:07] <IRCMonkey> any help with the error?
[02:07] <Phr0sty> viper12: Is there a fix for todays "update" yet?
[02:07] <crimsun> natecull: Bendy
[02:07] <daniels> natecull: 2.0 is available as well, but 1.0 will be the defalut
[02:07] <woodwizzle> Anyone here have any experience with setting up modems in ubuntu?
[02:08] <tritium> I see there's no new kernel yet...
[02:08] <natecull> cool, so I can grab it from universe?
[02:08] <crimsun> tritium: it's being worked on
[02:08] <woodwizzle> Hehe, from the sound of it, maybe I should be happy I don't have internet access for my ubuntu system today =)
[02:08] <tritium> crimsun, good deal
[02:08] <crimsun> natecull: 1.9.74 is in main -> openoffice.org2
[02:09] <nix000> anyone is seing gnome terminal taking for ever to come up ? it just has a blank screen. not sure what is causing it.
[02:09] <natecull> nice
[02:09] <nix000> i am on hoary preview
[02:09] <r0bnyc> nix000: how is preview?
[02:09] <r0bnyc> nix000: no lol
[02:09] <Phr0sty> They should have left the last working kernel up... tsk tsk
[02:10] <nix000> r0bnyc, its nice  i was up and running within hours.
[02:10] <ikama> hoary preview rocks!!!!!!!
[02:10] <ad-rock> what's the difference between hoary preview and upgrading to hoary by apt?
[02:10] <natecull> Add/Remove Programs applet is new, isn't it?
[02:11] <crimsun> ad-rock: preview is a snapshot of sometime yesterday
[02:11] <r0bnyc> nix000: I have a big issue here
[02:11] <nix000> ikama, did you get the latest updates ? maybe that is whats causing the problem i have.
[02:11] <r0bnyc> i apt-get install linux-image-686 etc and it screwed up
[02:11] <crimsun> ad-rock: via apt gives you what's currently in the archive, which is newer
[02:11] <r0bnyc> now I cant even boot into ubuntu
[02:11] <crimsun> r0bnyc: known issue
[02:11] <nix000> r0bnyc, whats the problem ?
[02:11] <ad-rock> crimsun : oh ic.. well i upgraded via apt
[02:12] <r0bnyc> I'm on Arch right now, let me go on X so I can paste the message
[02:12] <r0bnyc> crimsun: is known?
[02:12] <ad-rock> and i dont have any complains :D
[02:12] <agd> evening guys/gals
[02:12] <natecull> Add/Remove Programs seems to take forever to populate its tickboxes...
[02:12] <crimsun> JKD: on current Hoary, yes
[02:13] <nix000> natecull, it looks like all the programs i open take for ever. so far i tried terminal and gconf both took forever
[02:13] <JKD> crimsun: how do I fix it
[02:13] <ikama> nix000, yes. It is all up to date
[02:13] <Quest-Master> nix000: Try prelinking?
[02:13] <Quest-Master> nix000: sudo apt-get install prelink
[02:14] <Quest-Master> nix000: prelink -amvf
[02:14] <heze> tritium, sup? :) i'm doing not so well. irssi host network has serious problems, laggy ircing =(
[02:14] <crimsun> JKD: wait a few hours, then update && dist-upgrade again
[02:15] <ikama> I think prelinking is only suggestable for ooo
[02:15] <tritium> not much.  just got back
[02:15] <agd> hi guys sorry to ask this in here, My Ubuntu installs gone fine, first time on Linux and before that only had a few months on windows, you couldnt point me to a genralized tutorial on linux as an OS, such as directory structure, system files, ect for total dumbass non technical idoits like myself?
[02:15] <JKD> crimsun: thanks
[02:15] <nix000> Quest-Master, i cant even get prelink i am getting the maybe missing or broken pakage
[02:15] <ikama> because I ve recognized there are some probs when there is not a very well conf of prelinking
[02:16] <nix000> ikama, what the hell is this prelink stuf
[02:16] <R0bNyc> Try mounting the proc filesystem: mount -tproc none /proc
[02:16] <R0bNyc> Failed to create initrd image.
[02:16] <R0bNyc> dpkg: error processing linux-image-2.6.10-4-386 (--configure):
[02:16] <R0bNyc>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2
[02:16] <R0bNyc> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of postfix-tls:
[02:16] <bwlang> agd: sorry - i don't have any suggested reading for your... maybe "running linux" ... go ahead and ask some questions - maybe you'll get good answers here
[02:16] <R0bNyc>  postfix-tls depends on postfix; however:
[02:16] <R0bNyc>   Package postfix is not configured yet.
[02:16] <R0bNyc>  postfix-tls depends on postfix (= 2.1.5-9ubuntu2); however:
[02:16] <R0bNyc>   Package postfix is not configured yet.
[02:16] <R0bNyc> dpkg: error processing postfix-tls (--configure):
[02:16] <R0bNyc> dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[02:16] <R0bNyc> Errors were encountered while processing:
[02:16] <R0bNyc>  postfix
[02:16] <R0bNyc>  linux-image-2.6.10-4-686
[02:16] <R0bNyc>  linux-image-686
[02:16] <R0bNyc>  linux-686
[02:16] <R0bNyc>  linux-image-2.6.10-4-386
[02:17] <R0bNyc>  postfix-tls
[02:17] <R0bNyc> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[02:17] <R0bNyc> sorry for the spam
[02:17] <eyequeue> R0bNyc:  STOP
[02:17] <bwlang> R0bNyc: stop... put that into pastebin
[02:17] <R0bNyc> oh yea
[02:17] <R0bNyc> sory
[02:17] <mdz> R0bNyc: the very first line you pasted is the answer to your question
[02:17] <jaakko> hello... i just read about the ubuntu 5.04 preview... i was just wondering that if i install it can i just update 'to the final release' when it is released? sorry i'm a bit drunken...
[02:17] <ikama> Ok, prelinking gives a kind of roadmap for packages. So they are able to start work faster.
[02:17] <mdz> looks like you're trying to install a kernel without /proc mounted
[02:17] <bwlang> R0bNyc: no help for you (think soup nazi ;)
[02:18] <mdz> jaakko: yes
[02:18] <djst> mdz:  how?
[02:18] <agd> well i guess im a bit system shy bwlang, all the package stuff, shell, the dir structure, drivers, and what the hell are these buffers in emacs? lol sorry im just utterly lost on what to do now i have a good linux install done
[02:18] <ikama> In OO.org there is a increase of 50 % on startup
[02:18] <R0bNyc> http://pastebin.com/253538
[02:18] <zyaga1> Erm, I am having a problem when installing Ubuntu, is there someone that might help me with questions I have about it?
[02:18] <mdz> djst: by clicking the upgrade icon in the panel
[02:18] <sihen> hello guys
[02:18] <djst> mdz:  it's that easy to update the whole distro version? neat!
[02:18] <nix000> ikama, i cant even get the prelink package to install. how come this was not installed if it is needed by something like terminal !
[02:18] <jaakko> mdz: thanks... :)
[02:18] <usual> sihen, and most likely girls
[02:19] <mdz> djst: no
[02:19] <mdz> djst: jaako asked about upgrading from preview to final
[02:19] <sihen> sorry to be stupid but im new to ubuntu. i have noticed ubuntu doesnt have a /src/linux? where do i edit my kernel for hypertheading
[02:19] <HillTop> agd, O'Reilly has some nice books like Linux Pocket Guide. But even better are tons of good tutorials (PDF) at IBM.com
[02:19] <bwlang> agd: well  i can tell you about the buffers in emacs... they're just areas for you to open files or type in.
[02:19] <eyequeue> agd:  http://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/book/index.html.gz
[02:19] <mdz> to upgrade from warty to hoary, e.g., requires more steps
[02:19] <djst> mdz:  ok.. i didn't know there was a difference.. since it's technically two different ubuntu releases
[02:19] <nix000> stupid thing was working before i applied the latest updates !
[02:19] <zyaga1> Can anyone help me with a problem of Ubuntu?
[02:19] <sihen> also need to add the module for sata hd's as i cant find mine
[02:19] <djst> mdz:  so how would i upgrade from hoary to a future final release of ubuntu? possible?
[02:20] <mdz> djst: you would follow the upgrade instructions that we provide
[02:20] <bwlang> agd: as far as the dir structure... there is a standard called fhs that you could google on
[02:20] <eyequeue> zyaga1:  not unless you are mosr specific
[02:20] <zyaga1> I can be.
[02:20] <sihen> can anyone possible help me?
[02:20] <mdz> to upgrade from Hoary to its successor, you should be able to simply insert the CD
[02:20] <zyaga1> When I am installing it, it gets so far, and then seems to freeze up.
[02:20] <mdz> sihen: install the "linux-686
[02:20] <mdz> er
[02:20] <mdz> sihen: install the "linux-686-smp" package and reboot
[02:21] <agd> ty eyeque for the book link, i'll do that bwlang, dont wanna go breaking anything eh lol
[02:21] <bwlang> agd: drivers are pretty much built into the kernel - you should not have to worry about drivers
[02:21] <SeanQ> Hi from FC3.
[02:21] <zyaga1> It gets past the detecting and scannig of the cd rom.
[02:21] <SeanQ> I'd like to say..I'm coming back.
[02:21] <djst> mdz:  didn't read any upgrade instructions, sorry. was just curious if it's possible without breaking the system or leave it in a half-upgraded state. thanks
[02:21] <zyaga1> And then it gets to the Ubuntu installer part.
[02:21] <eyequeue> agd:  no prob
[02:21] <zyaga1> And then it freezes up at the 20% part
[02:21] <mdz> djst: I mean the upgrade instructions that we provide when we make a new release
[02:21] <usual> ubuntu, the only dist that puts a naked chick on my desktop by default
[02:21] <woodwizzle> are there any hoary packages for linexant winmodem drivers?
[02:21] <usual> :D
[02:22] <sihen> mdz, and what should i install for SATA HD's?
[02:22] <mdz> usual: it doesn't
[02:22] <bwlang> usual: actually - last month kind of embarassed me... this month is a bit more tame.
[02:22] <usual> mdz, I know, but damn near
[02:22] <djst> mdz:  so you're one of the developers then?
[02:22] <mdz> sihen: you don't need to install anything additional for those
[02:22] <agd> the onlt woe ive honestly had bwlang was that my cdburner is a freecomclassic USB and so is my cam, and im lost on finding how to get em working, aside from that the install got most of my hardware picked up first time apart from sound, so god only knows whats in this old compaq deskpro for sound that it isnt supported
[02:22] <mdz> djst: yes
[02:22] <usual> bwlang, the naked blonde?
[02:22] <agd> only*
[02:22] <mdz> usual: no, the default desktop in Ubuntu 4.10 is solid brown with the ubuntu logo on it
[02:23] <usual> mdz, whats hoary?
[02:23] <djst> mdz:  what i'd want is the ability to just upgrade the whole distro from the ubuntu update manager
[02:23] <mdz> usual: it's a sort of abstract starburst thing, with the ubuntu logo on it
[02:23] <bwlang> usual: this onth - no humans ... now it's a starburst pattern
[02:23] <usual> mdz, oh ok
[02:23] <helloyo> how do you edit the menu in hoary?
[02:23] <usual> weird
[02:23] <SeanQ> What was this thing with the naked chick?
[02:23] <woodwizzle> helloyo: You don't
[02:23] <SeanQ> I heard a lot about it when I was in Warty.
[02:23] <usual> ohhhh i see it
[02:23] <SeanQ> I never got it though.
[02:23] <usual> nice
[02:23] <bwlang> agd: wierd ass hardware is likely to be trouble.... anything with the name "freecomclassic" would make me run the other way
[02:24] <mdz> SeanQ: it's the Ubuntu Monthly Calendar
[02:24] <SeanQ> Ah.
[02:24] <SeanQ> Link?
[02:24] <usual> mdz, it looks great
[02:24] <mdz> SeanQ: computer->desktop preferences->background
[02:24] <bwlang> agd: almost all cameras work  - but you're better off with usb <-> cf reader imho
[02:24] <SeanQ> mdz, I'm not in Ubuntu but found what I needed.
[02:24] <SeanQ> Thanks.
[02:24] <mdz> usual: I will pass on your feedback to the artist
[02:24] <zyaga1> eyequeue: Do you think you could help me with something?
[02:24] <SeanQ> I'm in Fedora.
[02:24] <sihen> mdz, iv tried everything to find my SATA and i just cant find it on ubuntu
[02:24] <usual> mdz, please do. I like it.
[02:24] <projectmayhem> seanq i just switched from that this week
[02:24] <agd> ye , bought during my windows phase sadly, and most weird stuff works on it strangley, though poorly lol
[02:24] <eyequeue> zyaga1:  depends what
[02:25] <zyaga1> eyequeue: on a problem I am having when installing Ubuntu
[02:25] <woodwizzle> Aaargh. this modem crap is driving me nuts!
[02:25] <mdz> djst: we might do that eventually, but currently it isn't up to the task
[02:25] <tritium> SeanQ, it's not really a calendar, though, just a background image
[02:25] <SeanQ> projectmayhem, I switched back to FC3 when realizing archived games on MLB Gameday Audio wouldn't work in mozilla-mplayer in Hoary
[02:25] <projectmayhem> hm
[02:25] <SeanQ> but when I got to FC3, I realized my Windows partitions wouldn't work..even after NTFS support
[02:25] <SeanQ> which is more important?
[02:25] <jaakko> anybody tested the "very fresh" gnome 2.10?
[02:26] <SeanQ> Hm.
[02:26] <SeanQ> I did in Hoary.
[02:26] <projectmayhem> seanq i had the same ntfs problem among others
[02:26] <projectmayhem> seanq my java installations were a pain
[02:26] <agd> my major worry is not being able to put back into ubuntu realy as im not a coder and far from technicaly proficient by any means, but kind of feel i owe it as its the first linux thats practicly worked out of the box for me without any real major hassles or leaving important hardware unsuable
[02:26] <djst> mdz:  ok. thanks for providing ubuntu anyways, i just switched to it from vidalinux yesterday and i'm pleased :) the plan wasn't to switch though, but i made enough changes on the system to not wanting to reboot to vida anymore
[02:26] <woodwizzle> i downloaded an installer from linuxant, put it on a USB drive, copyied it to my laptop and tried to run it. Apparently, its just a script to go online and download the modem drivers. Now I ask you. If I could go online, why would I need modem drivers!!!
[02:26] <sihen> mdz, any idea's?
[02:27] <bwlang> agd: you can contribute by helping others learn... once you know how to do some stuff.
[02:27] <bjugis> The device-mapper has taken over my raid. I realy don't like it to do that. How do I get it to stop bugging me without destroying my raid?
[02:27] <jaakko> ultra fast boot process sounds nice
[02:27] <virtuald> when will debian sarge be released now when ubuntu bought out almost all the koy developers?
[02:27] <zyaga1> eyequeue: Should I ask someone else?
[02:27] <virtuald> key*
[02:27] <SeanQ> Day before I left for FC3, Gnome 2.10 broke
[02:27] <woodwizzle> agd: You could always join the gnome documentation team. Gnome docs are mostly still from 2.8
[02:27] <SeanQ> Anyone have a screenshot of this background ;)
[02:28] <agd> oh i didnt know that
[02:29] <SeanQ> See, Linux is great because I can say, wow..I contributed to this.
[02:29] <djtansey> does anyone know of a way to install linux (hopefully ubuntu) from windows by booting a iso that is on the harddrive already? i have no other connection to the world except wireless networking (and only in windows -- no simple way to get the card to work in linux, let alone in the installer)
[02:29] <SeanQ> djtansey, what wireless card?
[02:29] <dabi> i just installed java runtime and i have the libjavaplugin_oji.so file, where do i have to put it to get java working on firefox?
[02:29] <heze> duh, 3:30 already, i'm off. nite ppl! keep up the good work!
[02:30] <djtansey> SeanQ: linksys wpc54g
[02:30] <SeanQ> http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/showproduct.php?product=309&sort=8&cat=144&page=1
[02:30] <SeanQ> check it out
[02:31] <SeanQ> no need for internet in the installer
[02:31] <SeanQ> i didn't have it with my netgear ma111
[02:31] <jaakko> is the hoary boot process really ultra-fast? :O
[02:31] <djtansey> SeanQ: well -- i have no CDrom. i was going to do a net install (installed grub from windows so i could boot from the netboot image)
[02:31] <sihen> mdz,
[02:31] <sihen> root@Enigma:/dev # sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdd
[02:31] <sihen> root@Enigma:/dev # sudo fdisk -l /dev/hdc
[02:31] <sihen> root@Enigma:/dev # sudo fdisk -l /dev/hdd
[02:31] <sihen> root@Enigma:/dev #
[02:32] <SeanQ> AH
[02:32] <SeanQ> Hm.
[02:32] <SeanQ> I don't know, honestly.
[02:32] <SeanQ> I'll look around
[02:32] <zyaga1> Is there anyone that could help me with a problem I am having when installing Ubuntu?
[02:32] <sihen> cant find my sata drive :(
[02:33] <johso> ehm - just installed linux-686, and now Opera doesn't work and some screensavers are gone, and all in all the system seems slower... Help?
[02:33] <djtansey> SeanQ: thanks. i just hoped maybe i could create a small partition and put iso data into it, then boot from that partition and install to the other one. then remove the installation partition and resize to fit
[02:34] <hayden> what can i burn cds and dvds with
[02:34] <SeanQ> 4:00 left to hoary instal
[02:34] <SeanQ> hayden, k3b
[02:34] <SeanQ> nautilus-cd-burner
[02:34] <jaakko> hayden: burn:/// ?
[02:35] <TheGorf> How do you tell nautilus to always open directories in a common window?
[02:35] <hayden> can nautilus burn iso s>
[02:35] <agd> djtansey im no linux expert but maybe using a version of GRUB that handles network booting could help your out called PXE-Grub i think, if you already have ubuntu on another pc ? though i could be totaly off the mark with that
[02:36] <agd> you can bikeshed me later for giving you duff-persudo advice ;-p
[02:36] <mdz> hayden: yes, right-click on the ISO and select "write to CD"
[02:36] <Teal`c> hoary includes gnome 2.10 ?
[02:36] <djtansey> agd: unfortunatelly, i only have a wireless pcmcia card. no ethernet. so i can't use network anything -- since this card has no OSS drives. but thanks! (and keep loving linux! been using it since 1997 and still a devotee!)
[02:38] <agd> i'll keep at it ;-p i have no intention of falling back to windows! even if it does cost me multiple reinstalls when i break my system hard with tinkering lol blood, more blood and plenty of tears ;-p
[02:38] <pablo928> In my 30th boot-up an auto disk check occurred with the result that I have .8 % a-syncronous files. Is there a de-frag program or command I can use for Warty?
[02:39] <djtansey> agd: good. and ubuntu's great, as is its parent, debian. used debian from 98 until warty came out. just keep embracing the community. they are remarkably helpful and are generally not concieted
[02:39] <hayden> ok thanks mdz
[02:40] <agd> ye your spot on with the community thing , as so far ive had no flames heading my way!
[02:41] <djtansey> SeanQ: maybe i don't have to have a partition. maybe i could just mount the iso..
[02:41] <sihen> mdz, see what i mean, dont know what else to try to get my sata working ;(
[02:41] <djtansey> SeanQ: hmm. maybe not. it has to be booted from, not just accessed
[02:42] <Pizbit> Alrighty now, who can tell me the name of the mouse theme warty uses and perhaps where I might 'acquire' it?:)
[02:42] <hayden> mdz, if i use nautilus to burn a cd, what does it use as the volume name
[02:43] <Pizbit> hayden: It should ask when you first hit burn.
[02:43] <hayden> ok
[02:43] <Pizbit> Unless of course it's an ISO or music cd.
[02:43] <agd> well guys thanks for the advice , time to shut down for the night i think, you all take care.
[02:44] <hayden> i didnt specify anything on the disc i just burnt it then and it came out as Personal Data, Mar 12 2005
[02:45] <Pizbit> You know the little window that pops up saying what speed etc it'll burn at?
[02:45] <Pizbit> It should have a place to specify the volume name there.
[02:45] <projectmayhem> anyone here use limewire?
[02:45] <hayden> ok
[02:45] <hayden> i must've missed it
[02:46] <hayden> how can i add an item to Applications->Sount & Video?
[02:46] <projectmayhem> you have to do nautilus applications:///Multimedia i think
[02:46] <projectmayhem> as root
[02:47] <ad-rock> ho do i enable transparency in /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[02:47] <hayden> ok
[02:47] <projectmayhem> "sudo nautilus applications:///Multimedia" if memory serves me correctly...
[02:47] <Pizbit> ad-rock: It's *really* unstable if you're using GLX, just so you're forwarned.
[02:47] <ad-rock> s/ho/how
[02:47] <projectmayhem> then you right click, and create a launcher
[02:47] <Pizbit> ad-rock: nvidia card?
[02:47] <hayden> ok
[02:47] <ad-rock> Pizbit: yeah
[02:47] <mdz> hayden: the volume label is part of the ISO
[02:48] <hayden> mdz, i didnt burn an iso
[02:48] <Pizbit> ad-rock: I'll do a pastebin
[02:48] <mdz> hayden: that's what you asked about, and that's what I gave you instructions for...
[02:48] <hayden> i was just curious how you would go about doing it
[02:48] <hayden> i burnt a data disc
[02:49] <Pizbit> ad-rock: This is the stuff you need to change to the xorg.conf http://www.pastebin.com/253594
[02:50] <ad-rock> Pizbit: ok, thx, i just saved my xorg.conf just in case :P
[02:50] <Pizbit> *grin* The changes are minor and reversable.
[02:51] <hades> Any idea why I do not have a /proc/ksyms file?
[02:51] <Teal`c> does ubuntu support rpm ?
[02:52] <Pizbit> "no" I believe is the answer, although you can always go look up alien.
[02:52] <mjr> Teal`c, it is not its native package format, but you may get by with alien
[02:52] <Teal`c> i heard .deb packages dont show up for a lot of stuff, thats why i was wondering
[02:53] <ad-rock> Pizbit: done, wish me luck :p
[02:53] <hades> Anyone?
[02:53] <Pizbit> Teal`c: Heh, debs show up all over the place, they're very common.
[02:54] <Pizbit> Teal`c: Given how long debian has been around and all.
[02:54] <woodwizzle> I have a thumb drive. It seems to only work in ONE of my usb ports, and even with that port it doesn't work 100% of the time.,
[02:54] <DarthFrog> Teal`c: That's true.  But with more and more Debian based distributions such as Ubuntu appearing, there are more and more debs coming, too.
[02:54] <woodwizzle> but if i take it out and put it back in a few times it'll finally work. What the heck!
[02:54] <mjr> woodwizzle, hey, I've been having that too a bit. But sorry, don't know why.
[02:55] <ad-rock> Pizbit: ok, now?
[02:55] <NeoChaosX> anybody have trouble getting quicktime files to play back properly after upgrading to hoary?
[02:55] <mjr> also, that only happens on my desktop box, not the laptop (maybe because the laptop doesn't have usb2)
[02:55] <woodwizzle> mjr. Ar first I thought it might be a contact problem, but this laptop is dual boot and it works 100% in windows
[02:55] <woodwizzle> Hmm. my laptop DOES have usb2
[02:55] <Pizbit> ad-rock: run xcompmgr (In a terminal so you can easily ^c it)
[02:55] <woodwizzle> so maybe thats where the problem is
[02:55] <Pizbit> ad-rock: and then transset .x *click a window*
[02:56] <Pizbit> xcompmgr --help for window shadows, fading in/out menus/windows
[02:56] <mjr> woodwizzle, yeah, maybe some problem with the usb2 driver
[02:56] <mjr> trying a newer kernel might help, or might not
[02:57] <NeoChaosX> i hate my luck with proprietary codecs on Linux
[02:57] <ad-rock> Pizbit it works :D, how do i load xcompmgr at startup?
[02:58] <Pizbit> ad-rock: Running glxgears was touch and go for me while running xcompmgr though, if it crashed it'd take all of x down with it, fade in/out stuff only killed xcompmgr for me though.
[02:58] <Pizbit> ad-rock: Add it to session management
[02:59] <critter> This is the first time I have compiled Wine. Anyone know how long it usally takes ????
[02:59] <hayden> is there a program like flashget in linux that u can pause and resume downloads
[03:00] <farruinn> critter: that will depend on your processor, how much ram you have, etc
[03:00] <farruinn> critter: in my experience compiling times can vary quite a bit
[03:00] <ad-rock> Pizbit thx so much man :D
[03:00] <critter> OK Thanks been almost 1 hr
[03:00] <farruinn> hayden: if you love the command line I would suggest curl
[03:01] <Pizbit> ad-rock: No problems, just if your x server goes CYAS! Blame xcompmgr :)
[03:01] <hayden> i'd rather a program with a gui
[03:01] <farruinn> critter: let's put it this way, I had to compile some KDE stuff to use Rosegarden (back before Ridell ahd gotten that stuff up in binary) and I left it going for at least a whole day =)
[03:01] <ad-rock> Pizbit lol ok
[03:01] <hayden> but will take a look at curl
[03:01] <critter> OMG Shoot me now
[03:12] <blizah> do i need the fglxr-driver-dev files?
[03:14] <djst> where is the mail checker applet in gnome?
[03:15] <Pizbit> djst: Did you upgrade to hoary?
[03:15] <djst> yes
[03:15] <djst> or no, it's a fresh install
[03:15] <Pizbit> The mail checker was removed in gnome 2.10
[03:15] <djst> where can it be found then?
[03:15] <Pizbit> Due to being insecure and unmaintained etc
[03:16] <djst> the description of gnome-panel still says it includes a mail checker
[03:16] <djst> are there other (better) mail checkers for gnome then?
[03:16] <Ad-Rock> Gnome 2.10 rules, i love it
[03:16] <blizah> is fglxr= ati drivers?
[03:16] <djst> i find it convenient to see if i have mail without the need to launch thunderbird
[03:16] <hone> blizah, yeah should be
[03:17] <Genti> i need help with the download
[03:17] <Genti> i used jigdo
[03:17] <blizah> any way i could get the newest ones...my cs isnt running quite right
[03:17] <Genti> but it cannot find 55 files
[03:17] <blizah> hone i see that the ones in synaptic are real old
[03:17] <Genti> where can i find a list of files of hoary?
[03:18] <hone> blizah, mmm yeah the warty packages tend to be slightly dated iirc
[03:18] <blizah> synaptic = ver. 2.6.8       newest= 8.something
[03:18] <hone> blizah, just fyi I haven't been using ubuntu that long.
[03:18] <blizah> hehe
[03:18] <mdz> Genti: if it cannot find files, that generally means that your .jigdo is too old
[03:18] <hone> blizah, so just d/l them off the ati stie then?
[03:18] <Genti> but i just downloaded today
[03:19] <Genti> i mean like 4 hours ago
[03:19] <blizah> k
[03:19] <Genti> and i have been dowloading it using broadband
[03:19] <blizah> ill give that a try
[03:20] <hone> blizah, yeah sorry I coudln't be much more help
[03:20] <hone> blizah, this is my first computer w/ a radeon in it, and I'm just using hte free drivers (radeon mobility)
[03:20] <Pizbit> Where computer is a laptop?
[03:20] <hone> Pizbit, yes
[03:21] <hone> Pizbit, my desktop has a nvidia card
[03:21] <hone> Pizbit, just got my ibm thinkpad x31 today
[03:21] <Genti> is there a page with all the files of ubuntu?
[03:21] <hone> Pizbit, trying to set it up
[03:21] <Pizbit> hone: Ahh, I avoid ati as much as possible :)
[03:21] <natecull> I have a question re Totem
[03:21] <natecull> Is there any way to view what codecs / video formats are currently supported?
[03:21] <hone> Pizbit, to each their own, I've had major problems with them with drivers in the past
[03:21] <Ad-Rock> any good site for downloading themes? (any kind of themes)
[03:22] <natecull> I assume that Hoary ships with Theora and nothing else, but there seems to be no way for an end user to verify this
[03:22] <hone> Ad-Rock, gnome-look.org?
[03:22] <jms> could anyone help me with problem im having booting?
[03:22] <hone> Ad-Rock, art.gnome.org iirc
[03:22] <Pizbit> hone: Exactly, where as I've only ever had one problem with the NVIDIA drivers, and they released drivers to fix the problem within days of me discovering the problem :D
[03:22] <natecull> since the first question I have is 'great, I have a video player, now what videos can I download that I can view with this'?
[03:22] <hone> Pizbit, I've had loads of problems w/ nvidia on my debian box
[03:22] <Pizbit> natecull: Read the restricted formats FAQ
[03:22] <hone> Pizbit, XFree br0k3 and stuff
[03:22] <Pizbit> hone: Odd:)
[03:23] <hone> Pizbit, but I still buy nvidia cards..
[03:23] <natecull> I've looked in the Wiki and other than a brief mention that XviD is not supported, it doesn't say what *is* supported
[03:23] <fusion88> anyone know much about getting belkin usb wireless card working on ubuntu
[03:23] <jms> could someone tell me howto fix the system hanging at "starting hotplug subsystem" setp on bootup?
[03:23] <Ad-Rock> hone: what im really looking for is XCHAT Themes
[03:23] <natecull> can there be a page added to the FAQ somewhere about where to dl demo videos in order to test if Totem is working?
[03:24] <hone> Ad-Rock, mmmm sorry
[03:24] <hone> Ad-Rock, don't know any off the top of my head.
[03:24] <Pizbit> natecull: Personally I'd add the marillat reposity and install totem-xine and w32codecs, but run: gst-register-0.8, it should say list all the stuff gst has.
[03:24] <hone> Ad-Rock, or ther ewere xchat themes
[03:24] <Pizbit> Heh, xchat themes = changing the colours in the preferences.
[03:25] <The-Ghost|afk> does ubuntu do anything special with the HD?
[03:25] <Pizbit> Although there is a file with those colours in which you can swap with others.
[03:25] <natecull> Pizbit: cool, thanks, is gst-register-0.8 documented anywhere?
[03:25] <Ad-Rock> hone: thx anyway
[03:25] <The-Ghost|afk> i'm trying to install windows, because i don't have the time to configure Samba, and need it on net with windows servers by tomorrow, or in other words, about 3 hours...
[03:26] <Pizbit> natecull: Well, it's just the one way I know of seeing what gst has installed heh
[03:26] <avdd> Is warty supposed to have /bin/sh -> dash ?
[03:26] <natecull> I see it has theora and vorbis and a bunch of other plugins which I don't know what they are - is there some registry online of what each plugin is and does?
[03:26] <Pizbit> avdd: No, afaik it just uses bash
[03:26] <natecull> hmm, it has matroska also - is that a video codec?
[03:26] <Pizbit> Yep
[03:27] <jms> is there anyone that can help me?
[03:27] <tritium> natecull, see /usr/share/doc/w32codes/formats.txt
[03:27] <Pizbit> Not extremely common but it's around.
[03:27] <blizah> which versions of the xwindows drivers do i want:  x.org 6.8, xfree86 4.1   4.2   or 4.3?
[03:27] <tritium> natecull, that's w32codes, not w32codes, sorry
[03:27] <blizah> this is for an ati vid card
[03:27] <tritium> arg codecs
[03:27] <Pizbit> tritium: Only if he has w32codecs installed right?:)
[03:27] <tritium> Pizbit, yes
[03:27] <tritium> can't spell tonight ;)
[03:27] <natecull> But w32codecs are restricted and not necessarily legal?
[03:27] <Pizbit> Which warty/hoary does not by default, hence the restricted media faq to get them:)
[03:28] <blizah> anyone? :D
[03:28] <natecull> I'm mainly interested in knowing what can a user expect to play on Hoary out of the box without violating any laws
[03:28] <hone> blizah, uhh 4.3
[03:28] <Pizbit> natecull: It's dodgy ground, more or less everyone I've meet uses the package heh
[03:28] <hone> blizah, I htink 4.3 is default
[03:28] <Locutus1234> Having problems getting the nvidia drivers installed with hoary. I did the following sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx , sudo apt-get install nvidia-settings, and sudo nvidia-glx-config enable. I rebooted and I do not see the nvidia logo. Am I missing something?
[03:28] <natecull> PIzbit: sure, but that doesn't seem to be the official Ubuntu line, at least from reading the wiki.
[03:28] <blizah> hone k tnx
[03:28] <wuwei23> hey everyone
[03:28] <insidious> heloo all
[03:29] <blizah> and "alien <filename>"  converts the rpm to a deb file?
[03:29] <wuwei23> does anyone know how to edit the gnome menus under 2.10? nautilus applications:/// doesn't seem to work
[03:29] <natecull> Are there repositories of Theora encoded free (Creative Commons or the like) videos anywhere on the net that anyone knows of? If so it'd be neat to have a link to them as an example of what can be done with Hoary right now
[03:29] <hone> blizah, maybe some options but right utility
[03:29] <blizah> k
[03:29] <wuwei23> ablizah: alien --to-deb <file>.rpm
[03:30] <avdd> But the kernel package depends on initrd-tools, which depends on dash
[03:30] <avdd> I've seen a few scripts in warty that don't work with dash
[03:31] <holyhacker> hellp
[03:31] <crimsun> please file bugs against those packages, then, avdd
[03:31] <JDahl> is openoffice2 going to replace openoffice1 in Hoary?
[03:31] <crimsun> JDahl: not in time for Hoary, no.
[03:31] <Pizbit> o_O
[03:31] <Pizbit> Although it is in hoary
[03:32] <crimsun> you do realize that release is in about 3 weeks, right? ;-)
[03:32] <wuwei23> has anyone else had synaptic disappear when upgrading to hoary?
[03:32] <Pizbit> Well, the betas:P
[03:32] <woodwizzle> Has anyone here tried openoffice2 yet?
[03:33] <Pizbit> Yep
[03:33] <Pizbit> It's *much* nicer
[03:33] <hone> that it is
[03:33] <woodwizzle> Its got some nice feature improvements, but on the whole I was kinda dissapointed
[03:33] <Quest-Master> wuwei23: My Synaptic is still here
[03:33] <Quest-Master> Are the loadup times reduced at all?
[03:33] <Quest-Master> XD
[03:33] <woodwizzle> it takes sooo looong to load
[03:33] <JDahl> Pizbit, I think the GUI looks horrible...
[03:33] <wuwei23> quest-master: ah...weird. well, danke
[03:33] <woodwizzle> Quest-Master: I think they increased
[03:33] <tritium> wuwei23, no, I don't let important software get removed
[03:34] <wuwei23> tritium: there's a way to say 'don't touch synaptic' when doing a dist-upgrade?
[03:34] <woodwizzle> I'm giving Abiword a shot now. It loads very fast. But I still need OOo for powerpoint
[03:34] <JDahl> Pizbit, by that I mean that it's significantly worse than OO1 - I think it's misconfigured or something.. the fonts are all wrong
[03:35] <holyhacker> ok im supposed to add two lines in the /etc/apt/sources.list how do i so this
[03:35] <Pizbit> JDahl: Sounds like something is odd with your system heh, the fonts look fine here.
[03:35] <Genti> help guys, - cannot download hoary
[03:35] <Pizbit> holyhacker: Open the file in a text editor and put them anywhere?
[03:35] <wuwei23> JDahl: Are fonts replaced with little boxes with four numbers in them?
[03:35] <Genti> whhere can i find the files for amd 64?
[03:35] <holyhacker> its a ro file
[03:35] <tritium> wuwei23, I always check what apt is going to do before I let it do its thing
[03:35] <Pineapples10> im trying to compile something and im getting the error [all recursive]  error 1 anyone have any idea what that could mean?
[03:35] <Pizbit> holyhacker: Use sudo
[03:35] <holyhacker> sudo
[03:35] <holyhacker> how
[03:36] <Pizbit> holyhacker: Or follow this http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[03:36] <wuwei23> tritium: so basically, you've got nothing to show me apart from your own arrogance? thanks for wasting my time
[03:36] <tritium> wuwei23, excuse me?
[03:37] <JDahl> Pizbit, actually it looks fine.. a few dist-upgrades must've done the trick
[03:37] <wuwei23> tritium: i'm kind of tired of asking for assitance and having people reply with "well, *i* just don't make that mistake in the first place"...it's fucking patronising, petty and it wastes my time
[03:37] <Genti> a simple address with the latest files is needed
[03:37] <Pizbit> wuwei23: It's calling pinning or something, I'll have a quick look to see what I can find
[03:37] <lookorez> hey I installed kubuntu but i dont think it asked for a root pw?? and now I can't su
[03:37] <Genti> hoarty
[03:37] <Pineapples10> linux is such an angry operating lol
[03:37] <Pizbit> lookorez: sudo
[03:37] <Pineapples10> *operating system
[03:37] <tritium> wuwei23, you didn't ask me for help.  you asked a question, and I answered
[03:38] <lookorez> what about sudo
[03:38] <wuwei23> tritium: no, you editorialised. don't dither and pretend otherwise.
[03:38] <Locutus1234> Can anyone please tell me how to get the nvidia drivers working on hoary?
[03:38] <hone> how do I make usre keys are binded to the right keycode?
[03:38] <wuwei23> Pizbit: the font problem is 'pinning'? Or were you referring to something else?
[03:38] <Pineapples10> im compiling a perl script and im getting the error "[all recursive]  error1" anyone have any idea what that means
[03:38] <blizah> is it ok in ubuntu to download the ati drivers and install them in warty?  (not going through synaptic)
[03:38] <JDahl> Locutus1234, there's no quick answer to that (other than read the wiki)
[03:38] <tritium> wuwei23, nice talking with you...
[03:39] <wuwei23> tritium: can't really say the same
[03:39] <GhostFreeman> Whats the terminal command to run a .run file
[03:40] <natecull> hmm
[03:40] <JDahl> blizah, it's generally better to use the package manager. Otherwise you break automatic updates and configuration
[03:40] <DarthFrog> GhostFreeman: sh <filename>
[03:40] <natecull> clicking on a torrent link from the theora.org site just froze up my Firefox
[03:40] <JDahl> GhostFreeman, sh ./filename
[03:40] <DarthFrog> GhostFreeman: sh (filename)
[03:40] <GhostFreeman> thanks
[03:40] <natecull> or something. X-Chat is still running but my other windows are now dodgy and menus unresponsive
[03:40] <natecull> weird
[03:40] <natecull> anyone else getting this kind of effect?
[03:40] <wuwei23> Pizbit: ah, it's debian package related...danke, i'm picking through the HOWTO now :)
[03:40] <lookorez> arg how do I get to root
[03:40] <natecull> (Hoary Preview LiveCD)
[03:41] <lookorez> fucking ubuntu installed itself and won't let me be root
[03:41] <void_> hi, im having problems with ubuntu on my T42 laptop, namely when i close the lid the screen turns off, but when i reopen the lid the screen stays off and nothing i do seems to turn it back on
[03:41] <natecull> hmm
[03:41] <JDahl> void_, try to boot with acpi=off
[03:41] <natecull> it's like I can't spawn any new processes or something
[03:41] <tritium> lookorez, root is disabled
[03:41] <natecull> lookorez: use sudo
[03:41] <lookorez> wtf how do I do anything without root
[03:41] <tritium> lookorez, you're encouraged to use sudo
[03:41] <lookorez> sudo how does that work
[03:41] <void_> JDahl: ill try
[03:42] <natecull> just prefix every root command with 'sudo'. It'll prompt for your password first time
[03:42] <lookorez> ok
[03:42] <Pineapples10> SUMO LMAO
[03:42] <blizah> jdahl, somebody told me i could edit something to see the list of things in apt-get for hoary update that one thing change somethign back as it was before and i would have the version that was available in hoary but still be in warty
[03:42] <JDahl> void_, it sounds like your laptop goes into hybernation and doesnt wake up... that's a common problem I think
[03:42] <natecull> if you really really need it there's a 'Root Terminal' from the Applications menu
[03:42] <blizah> jdahl heard of anything like that?
[03:42] <lookorez> im ok with this sudo thing i guess
[03:43] <bob2> or "sudo -s"
[03:43] <Pineapples10> jdahl, power management in linux isnt that great
[03:43] <bob2> JDahl: that's not true
[03:43] <natecull> this is definitely weird - reboot time
[03:43] <bob2> suspending to disk works on almost all known i386 hardware
[03:43] <bob2> suspend to ram is machine dependant, but works on many as well
[03:44] <Pineapples10> im trying to compile a perl script and it stops at the rror "[all reclusive]  error 1"  anyone have any idea?
[03:44] <bob2> Pineapples10: that's not the error
[03:44] <bob2> paste the whole output to #flood
[03:45] <hone> hey how do I check
[03:45] <hone> what keycodes
[03:46] <hone> are for certain keys
[03:47] <Pineapples10> bob2, what do you mean
[03:47] <The-Ghost|afk> jm
[03:47] <The-Ghost|afk> hmm
[03:47] <The-Ghost|afk> any one that knows ubuntu GOOOOD
[03:47] <bob2> hone: the "xev" program might do what youwant
[03:47] <The-Ghost|afk> that i can pm?
[03:48] <JDahl> blizah, you can update your sources.list with the hoary repository, and install specific packages from hoary by writing something like "apt-get install xxx:hoary" (I dont remember the details, though, so I may be wrong). maybe read the apt-get man-page?
[03:48] <Pizbit_> Argh, for some reason some unstable happened, but anyway
[03:48] <hone> bob2, that's it
[03:48] <nix000> it looks like after my latest upgrades the kernel was changed (hoary preview) and the nvidia module (which was updated) cannot be loaded anymore ttttttow !
[03:48] <The-Ghost|afk> the prog has totaly destroyd one of my hdd's
[03:48] <bob2> The-Ghost|afk: just ask your question
[03:48] <nix000> i meant nvidia not updated
[03:48] <bob2> Pineapples10: I mean "that's not the error"
[03:48] <JDahl> blizah, but I wouldnt mix hoary and warty... escpecially since Hoary will be released soon
[03:48] <bob2> 12:44:37           bob2 | paste the whole output to #flood
[03:49] <bob2> nix000: perhaps you didn't install the approriate restricted-modules package?
[03:49] <The-Ghost|afk> okay i instald ubuntu.... and i realy need to go back to windows for 2 day's
[03:49] <The-Ghost|afk> and now i can't f get the hdd back to fat32.
[03:49] <lookorez> oops
[03:49] <The-Ghost|afk> i have totaly delete it.
[03:49] <The-Ghost|afk> etc.
[03:49] <Ycros> The-Ghost|afk: did you overwrite anything on it?
[03:49] <nix000> bob2, i have linux-restrict 2.6.10-6  in there. not sure which one would be the apropriated !
[03:49] <Pizbit_> apt-get pinning and only getting certain packages from a different version of ubuntu(it's debiam, but since ubuntu is debian based it works) www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html
[03:49] <The-Ghost|afk> overwrite?
[03:49] <Ycros> The-Ghost|afk: like put new data on there?
[03:50] <The-Ghost|afk> i change it to ext3 and /root
[03:50] <blizah> is hoary pretty stable now?
[03:50] <The-Ghost|afk> or was it /
[03:50] <The-Ghost|afk> i format the hdd to linux format.
[03:50] <bob2> Pizbit_: pinning is a bad idea
[03:50] <Ycros> The-Ghost|afk: so you installed over it?
[03:50] <Pizbit_> bob2: Someone was asking about it earlier:P
[03:50] <bob2> blizah: it's in the final month coming up to release, so I hope so ;)
[03:50] <blizah> hehe
[03:50] <bob2> nix000: what does 'uname -r' print out?
[03:50] <The-Ghost|afk> Ycros no yes u can say i did.
[03:51] <blizah> i guess i cant wait to play counterstrike properly :D
[03:51] <Ycros> The-Ghost|afk: well then it's pretty much gone
[03:51] <NeoChaosX> oh hell, figures
[03:51] <The-Ghost|afk> wtf?
[03:51] <The-Ghost|afk> what do u mean?
[03:51] <NeoChaosX> i play my WMVs in MPlayer and I finally get sound again
[03:51] <The-Ghost|afk> i can still instal linux on it.
[03:51] <nix000> bob2, 2.6.10-4-386  ... how the helll
[03:51] <blizah> just outta curiousity anyone play counterstrike 1.6 under warty?
[03:51] <The-Ghost|afk> Ycros what the f do u mean?
[03:51] <Ycros> The-Ghost|afk: hang on, are you trying to restore an old partition?
[03:51] <_ToNhO_> O my the Ubuntu is very nice i leve him have all som i want
[03:51] <Pizbit_> NeoChaosX: Well, if the sound goes around play around with mplayer -ao help :)
[03:51] <IRCMonkey> any one know how to talk in ##linux
[03:51] <The-Ghost|afk> i can read it in linux i can read it in bios
[03:52] <The-Ghost|afk> all i whan't is to get it to fat32
[03:52] <The-Ghost|afk> or ntfs.
[03:52] <NeoChaosX> no, i mean if I use totem-xine, there's no sound
[03:52] <bob2> IRCMonkey: don't bother
[03:52] <NeoChaosX> if I use MPlayer, then sound works
[03:52] <The-Ghost|afk> sow i can instal a new version of windows.
[03:52] <Pizbit_> Heh, weird
[03:52] <awb4422> ive been searching google and the wiki for info on how to get an nvidia card working in hoary... has anyone had any success? I can't find anything definitive
[03:52] <IRCMonkey> bob can you help me then?
[03:52] <Pizbit_> NeoChaosX: Just use plain ol' xine?:)
[03:52] <bob2> The-Ghost|afk: just install it
[03:52] <The-Ghost|afk> sow i can lan tomorow.
[03:52] <Ycros> The-Ghost|afk: yeah, just install it
[03:52] <lookorez> its ok to use synaptic with kubuntu right?
[03:52] <The-Ghost|afk> windows can't find hdd.
[03:52] <The-Ghost|afk> :p
[03:52] <NeoChaosX> tried it before, didn't change a thing
[03:52] <The-Ghost|afk> ?
[03:52] <bob2> IRCMonkey: have you asked an ubuntu-related question yet?
[03:52] <Ycros> ?
[03:52] <bob2> The-Ghost|afk: then something else is broken
[03:52] <bob2> lookorez: yes
[03:52] <The-Ghost|afk> like what?
[03:52] <The-Ghost|afk> like my head?
[03:52] <Ycros> that's a windows issue then
[03:53] <The-Ghost|afk> lol
[03:53] <The-Ghost|afk> Ycros it's not.
[03:53] <IRCMonkey> i don't know what ubuntu is?
[03:53] <NeoChaosX> And who thought it was a good idea to compile mplayer-custom without the GUI?
[03:53] <bob2> IRCMonkey: then why are you in here?
[03:53] <IRCMonkey> i just need help installing linux
[03:53] <The-Ghost|afk> linux format the hdd into a other format didn't it?
[03:53] <bob2> IRCMonkey: blah blah blah
[03:53] <thierry> hey, When I watch a movie or play a game, the pictures are going faster than the sound (about 2-3 seconds) but it's enough to be annoying... any idea?
[03:53] <NeoChaosX> And make it the only installable MPlayer package in ubuntu to boot?
[03:53] <IRCMonkey> and I was looking for help to talk on the linux help channel
[03:53] <bob2> IRCMonkey: what distribution are you trying to insall?
[03:53] <IRCMonkey> peanut
[03:53] <bob2> IRCMonkey: then #peanut or something
[03:54] <Ycros> The-Ghost|afk: is it the only hard drive in the machine?
[03:54] <The-Ghost|afk> at the moment yes.
[03:54] <_ToNhO_> Some on is from brazil?
[03:54] <bob2> The-Ghost|afk: it doesn't matter.  just tell windows to nuke the disk.
[03:54] <IRCMonkey> i did...nothing
[03:54] <djst> does anyone know how to make the sound card accessible by several users at once?
[03:54] <_ToNhO_> Some on is from brazil?
[03:54] <The-Ghost|afk> hehe
[03:54] <The-Ghost|afk> nuke it
[03:54] <djst> my girlfriend and i are often logged on at the same time (using gdm and the "new login" feature)
[03:54] <The-Ghost|afk> i got a prog from hdd manufaktor that is traing to zerro the disk = delet all info..
[03:54] <The-Ghost|afk> but dosn't seam to be working.
[03:55] <bob2> IRCMonkey: I'm not sure what you're expecting us to say then
[03:55] <djst> currently, the second login doesn't get access to the sound card
[03:55] <bob2> IRCMonkey: ##linux will be of no use
[03:55] <Ycros> The-Ghost|afk: then there shouldn't be a problem, you should get a list of partitions in the windows installer, just delete one or all of them and make a new windows partition
[03:55] <bob2> IRCMonkey: you need to find people who actually use "peanut"
[03:55] <bob2> DarthFrog: turn that off, please
[03:55] <bob2> djst: yes it does
[03:55] <The-Ghost|afk> i don't get any list of partitions
[03:55] <_ToNhO_> Some on is from brazil?
[03:55] <bob2> djst: but the first one blocks the second from accessing it
[03:55] <The-Ghost|afk> all i get is no hdd detected.
[03:55] <IRCMonkey> you could prolly tell me the answer to this
[03:55] <bob2> _ToNhO_: er, why?
[03:55] <The-Ghost|afk> the hdd i'm using is the 10Gb from my xbox.
[03:55] <IRCMonkey>  it's hanging on this error that says RAMDISK: Compressed image found at block 0
[03:55] <The-Ghost|afk> :p
[03:55] <djst> bob2:  that's getting technical ;) so how can i solve the problem?
[03:56] <The-Ghost|afk> seagate.
[03:56] <Ycros> The-Ghost|afk: did you have a working windows install on it previously?
[03:56] <The-Ghost|afk> segate
[03:56] <bob2> IRCMonkey: no, you need to ask people who actually use "peanut"
[03:56] <IRCMonkey> sounds like a easy problem
[03:56] <bob2> IRCMonkey: no, it's not
[03:56] <The-Ghost|afk> yes i had a demo of windows 2003 server.
[03:56] <IRCMonkey> ok sorry...for bothering you....(I thought linux was a friendly community)
[03:56] <The-Ghost|afk> and i can't restor it now becos the hdd was formated in linux.
[03:56] <_ToNhO_> bob2: i have a channel UbuntuBR i am a new user in ubuntu but i like i him so much is better than slackware and debian for me have a good intaface
[03:57] <The-Ghost|afk> i don't know what to do at the moment?
[03:57] <The-Ghost|afk> ..
[03:57] <bob2> The-Ghost|afk: then nuke the partitions or something
[03:57] <The-Ghost|afk> didn't work
[03:57] <bob2> it sounds like windows is actually even more useless than I remember
[03:57] <The-Ghost|afk> hehe
[03:57] <The-Ghost|afk> not nuking it with windows
[03:57] <Ycros> well if windows isn't detecting the hard drive and linux is, then it's a windows problem
[03:58] <bob2> yeah
[03:58] <The-Ghost|afk> using a prog from the hdd manufaktor.
[03:58] <Ycros> fiddle with your hardware/bios
[03:58] <bob2> djst: you can't, really
[03:58] <Ycros> windows can be picky about stuff
[03:58] <The-Ghost|afk> sow it seams linux has f it real gooood up :p
[03:58] <Ycros> make sure the hard drive is primary master, etc.
[03:58] <The-Ghost|afk> today.
[03:58] <thierry> hey, When I watch a movie or play a game, the pictures are going faster than the sound (about 2-3 seconds) but it's enough to be annoying... any idea?
[03:58] <bob2> The-Ghost|afk: this sounds an awful lot like a windows problem
[03:58] <bob2> thierry: you don't need to repeat
[03:58] <Ycros> The-Ghost|afk: linux doesn't screw hard drives
[03:58] <djst> bob2:  really? i thought it was an access right issue or something.. ?
[03:58] <thierry> bob2, sorry
[03:58] <JDahl> The-Ghost|afk, I would start a linux installation until I get to partitioning... then create one big primary partition as type ntfs - then try to install windows
[03:58] <The-Ghost|afk> it tok mine hard :p
[03:59] <The-Ghost|afk> we did tray to leth linux make a fat32.
[03:59] <The-Ghost|afk> but didn't work
[03:59] <The-Ghost|afk> :p
[03:59] <The-Ghost|afk> :?
[03:59] <The-Ghost|afk> don't ask me why.
[03:59] <The-Ghost|afk> i'm to new to linuz
[03:59] <The-Ghost|afk> linux
[03:59] <bob2> djst: no, it's not
[03:59] <The-Ghost|afk> and going crazy at the moment.
[03:59] <bob2> The-Ghost|afk: please try to use " " instead of hitting enter after every word
[03:59] <The-Ghost|afk> yes okay i'm a big spamer sorry.
[04:00] <djst> bob2:  please explain! :) will i get the same bad news whoever i ask or are you not 100% sure?
[04:00] <bwlang> thierry: i bet you don't have the xv extension running... the other possibility is that you're using a sound daemon like esd or arts... try using alsa instead
[04:00] <The-Ghost|afk> sow u have no other ide then nuke it? "i will take it out and shoot it with my shoot gun" :p or format it in linux to ntfs.
[04:00] <The-Ghost|afk> okay.
[04:00] <The-Ghost|afk> thx..
[04:00] <thierry> bwlang, what is xv and I use alsa
[04:00] <The-Ghost|afk> will tray it or
[04:00] <bob2> djst: you need either a different card (emu10k1 aka sblive will work fine) or to kill esd before you logout
[04:01] <The-Ghost|afk> bang my head somwher...
[04:01] <Ycros> The-Ghost|afk: you could always lan on linux :P
[04:01] <The-Ghost|afk> i don't have the time
[04:01] <djst> bob2:  so the problem is that there are no good drivers for ac97 sound cards?
[04:01] <The-Ghost|afk> i got to have a file server up in 12 hour's witch has to work with a chipt xbox...
[04:01] <bob2> djst: sort of
[04:02] <bwlang> thierry: xv is the video extension for X... if you don't use it video is much  more expensive.  to check you'll need to watch the output from mplayer or xine or whatever to see what it's using
[04:02] <bob2> djst: aiui it's a card issue the drivers don't work around
[04:02] <The-Ghost|afk> i know how to do it on windows .. but not on linux.. and i don't got the time.. exams on monday.
[04:02] <bob2> The-Ghost|afk: please?  we know you have problems, but afaict they are with windows, not ubuntu.
[04:02] <thierry> bwlang, where do I get xv?
[04:02] <djst> bob2:  ok.. too bad then. it's not enough big a problem to warrant a new sound card though, so i guess i have to cope with it.
[04:02] <bob2> xv isn't something you download
[04:02] <thierry> bwlang : apt-get install xv ?
[04:03] <wuwei23> does anyone know how to edit menus under gnome 2.10?
[04:03] <bob2> is that possible?
[04:03] <wuwei23> although going from what i'm seeing on the gnome site, it's not something they seem to encourage :(
[04:03] <djst> bob2:  thanks anyway for the info! i guess some things are never easy in linux.
[04:03] <bob2> djst: well, it's not really a linux problem
[04:04] <djst> bob2:  but a linux driver problem? since it works in windows i mean
[04:04] <The-Ghost|afk> bob2: the prob is that when i instald linux i was realy happy.... as u all are.. but when i trayd to go back i meet the wall.
[04:04] <bob2> djst: windows lets two users use the soundcard simultaneously?
[04:04] <lookorez> anyone have a repository that has php5 available? its not available in the default repositories
[04:04] <djst> bob2:  yes, no problem
[04:04] <bob2> lookorez: haha.
[04:05] <bob2> lookorez: dotdeb.org.
[04:05] <LinuxJones> Nvidia on Hoary is busted again ?
[04:05] <The-Ghost|afk> becouse i can't delet the partition's totaly sow windows can partion my hdd.
[04:05] <bob2> djst: both using winamp at the exact same time, playing two different songs etc?
[04:05] <djst> bob2:  windows mixes all sound
[04:05] <bob2> LinuxJones: if it was, it would be in the BTS
[04:05] <djst> bob2:  yes.
[04:05] <bob2> DarthFrog: turn that off
[04:05] <bob2> lord
[04:05] <lookorez> ue to a severe server crash, Dotdeb.org is currently down.
[04:05] <bob2> lookorez: oh well
[04:05] <bob2> djst: ok
[04:05] <LinuxJones> bob2, my card is very old and I expect any day it will be unsupported :(
[04:05] <djst> bob2:  it actually does, you can login with, say, 5 users and all playing winamp. it would sound good though, unless all users play seashore relaxing sounds
[04:06] <djst> bob2:  that's why i said it was a linux issue
[04:06] <Ycros> The-Ghost|afk: the thing is, it's irrelevant what partitions or what's on your hard drive when installing windows, I've installed windows many times
[04:07] <The-Ghost|afk> Ycros give me 2 min to chekk if this work's
[04:07] <DonL> Ycros, it just takes over, doesn't it?
[04:07] <hone> when I try ot echo stuff into /proc/acpi/sleep
[04:07] <hone> it keeps giving me permission denied
[04:08] <bob2> hone: you'd have to do it as root, obviously
[04:08] <The-Ghost|afk> if this works i will thele u what i did sow if som other n00b has the same prob u atleast have the noleged about it :)
[04:08] <bob2> hone: also, wiki.ubuntu.com/PMTesting
[04:08] <wuwei23> okay: gnome 2.10 has *removed* the ability to edit the application menu etc via nautilus applications:///
[04:08] <The-Ghost|afk> cruss you'r fingers pls
[04:08] <wuwei23> crap
[04:08] <hone> bob2, I can't just use sudo?
[04:09] <bob2> hone: sure
[04:09] <nix000> bob2, it seems that i have 2 linux-restricted modules {linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-4-386   2.6.10.3-5} {linux-restricted-modules-386    2.6.10-6} these came with the default hoary preview.
[04:09] <bob2> nix000: ok!
[04:10] <nix000> bob2, not sure if there is anything wrong here.
[04:10] <bob2> that's fine
[04:10] <hone> bob2, still gives me permission denid
[04:10] <hone> bob2, let me check the wiki
[04:11] <bob2> because you're doing it wrong
[04:11] <bob2> sudo -s
[04:11] <bob2> echo blah > /blah
[04:11] <bob2> ctrl-d
[04:12] <nix000> bob2, any idea why the nvidia module would not load with FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.10-4-386/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko): Invalid module format
[04:12] <bob2> no
[04:13] <bob2> tho a few people have reported that
[04:13] <nix000> darn !
[04:13] <tritium> nix000, it's a kernel ABI problem that's being worked on as we speak
[04:13] <Can0beans> Hoary preview looks great
[04:14] <nix000> tritium, so am i better off getting a stock kernel and installing the nvidia modules via the nvidia installer ?
[04:14] <DonL> Is it not also an X-org problem?
[04:15] <nix000> tritium, it recompiles the module based on the installed kernel headers i ve seen
[04:15] <tritium> nix000, I usually don't recommend that approach.
[04:15] <power-on> hello
[04:15] <tritium> If you can wait a bit, they'll have the kernel fixed
[04:15] <power-on> i have problem
[04:16] <geneo93> ubuntu is awsome but i have a problem gdm has locked me out any help?
[04:16] <power-on> sombedoy can helpme?
[04:16] <DonL> tritium, I can wait.
[04:16] <jon1012> ctrl-alt-backspace ?
[04:16] <farruinn> geneo93: do you get an error?
[04:16] <tritium> DonL, cool, hopefully it won't be too long.  :)
[04:16] <farruinn> power-on: go ahead and ask your question
[04:17] <power-on> tankyou
[04:17] <power-on> im on dual xeon
[04:17] <nix000> anyone know if 2.6.10 will ever be available for warty ? the only reason i came on hoary was because of it.
[04:17] <The-Ghost|afk> and no it didn't work
[04:17] <DonL> tritium, I've got Warty working so well now, I hate to change
[04:17] <geneo93> well at login is it just dont let me go to failsafe or anything
[04:17] <power-on> i was searching info por intall kernel-smp on my ubuntu
[04:17] <Pizbit> Don't suppose anyone knows about getting .ods files to open with OOo and not the handler program for zip files? Because it is a zip file it has the mime-type of a zip, but it should actually be handled by OOo (OpenOffice.org 2.0)
[04:17] <tritium> DonL, might be good to just wait until Hoary released before you change then
[04:18] <power-on> but i cant see nothing fo info,
[04:18] <DonL> Yup. I have issues with Xorg too.
[04:18] <Coily> im trying to play a svq3 quicktime video, i guess im out of luck?
[04:18] <nix000> DonL, i was forced to change because 2.6.8 was so broken on this new laptop i have.
[04:18] <crimsun> nix000: no, it won't. Warty (and soon to be Hoary) is stable.
[04:19] <lookorez> how come I don't have a pssword for root console?
[04:19] <DonL> I know things will stabilize.
[04:19] <lookorez> i'm not supposed to use it?
[04:19] <DonL> lookorez, it's just a different way of doing it. I like it now
[04:20] <geneo93> farruinn:  i dunno the exact message but it refers to gdm i came over here to mandrake to maybe fix it from here
[04:20] <power-on> i wanna to know how to install kernel-image.x.x.x.x-smp on my ubuntu
[04:20] <jon1012> good night everybody :)
[04:20] <nix000> DonL, i have warty on my desktop and it rocks
[04:20] <DonL> Night jon1012
[04:20] <DonL> nix000, I think so too
[04:20] <farruinn> geneo93: my guess: ownership of ~/.ICEauthority is root, just delete the file or change the permissions back to you if that's the case
[04:21] <DonL> nix000, the only thing I have to work out now is the printer attached to my wife's XP
[04:21] <DonL> I use a router
[04:21] <lookorez> i'm fine with not running as root, i'm just curious, i'm not even supposed to know the root password at all?
[04:22] <geneo93> i deleted iceauthority from my home dir
[04:22] <nix000> the printer setup was very slick last time i used.
[04:22] <DonL> The root password is your password
[04:22] <lookorez> why doesn't it work then
[04:22] <geneo93> but still no go
[04:22] <farruinn> there is no root password
[04:22] <lookorez> oh ok
[04:22] <farruinn> geneo93: don't know what to tell you then w/o an error message
[04:22] <lookorez> so su is kind of useless then
[04:23] <DonL> lookorez, you have to type "sudo" before the command
[04:23] <lookorez> yeah i know
[04:23] <wuwei23> ah crap, menu editing is a feature for gnome 2.12
[04:23] <DonL> Then it will ask you for a password, and you use your user password
[04:23] <lookorez> yep I got that down
[04:23] <wuwei23> so 2.8 has it, 2.10 breaks it, and we have to wait another six months to be able to re-use it?
[04:23] <DonL> lookorez, then you're root for the time being
[04:23] <geneo93> sudo
[04:24] <farruinn> I think 2.12 coincides with hoary+1, whatver that is
[04:24] <geneo93> if you want root pswd the do a sudo passwd root
[04:24] <lookorez> seems good actually, I was kind of in the habit of always running as root before
[04:24] <lookorez> ok
[04:24] <farruinn> lookorez: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo has some interesting info
[04:24] <DonL> Yes. That's a bad thing to get into the habit of doing, lookorez
[04:24] <hone> my nautilus won't work
[04:24] <geneo93> well there is no login for root
[04:24] <wuwei23> farruinn: i'm just kind of agog at breaking basic functionality that was already working
[04:25] <nix000> is there a way i can start java apps from nautilus ? they require the jvm and JAVA_HOME to be defined beforehand
[04:25] <farruinn> wuwei23: it's because the entire menu system has changed
[04:25] <hone> when I try to open home
[04:25] <hone> nothing happens
[04:26] <geneo93> damn i need the root dir to fix this
[04:26] <DonL> hone, that's weird
[04:26] <farruinn> geneo93: chroot?
[04:26] <power-on> nobody has dual-xeon ?
[04:26] <wuwei23> farruinn: yeah, i can appreciate that, i just wish it had coincided with even a *basic* editor
[04:26] <hone> DonL, yeah
[04:26] <hone> DonL, when I run nautilus in the cli, it just hangs there
[04:26] <hone> DonL, like it's about to do a command
[04:26] <wuwei23> farruinn: the gnome line of 'if it doesn't add a menu option, your app is broken' doesn't really help
[04:27] <nix000> power-on, i have dual-32 )amd64)
[04:27] <geneo93> i'm in mandrake and have to mt it
[04:27] <power-on> nice, nix you can tell o how to install kernel-smp?!
[04:27] <hone> anyone have any idea what hte problem could be?
[04:27] <DonL> hone, you're running gnome under Ubuntu?
[04:28] <nix000> power-on, that was a joke. i meant one single 64 !
[04:28] <hone> DonL, yepp
[04:28] <power-on> xD okok
[04:28] <nix000> power-on, sorry :-)
[04:28] <DonL> hone, and it's Warty?
[04:28] <geneo93> had to edit fstab
[04:29] <GammaRay> does anyone here actually think people should not be able to edit the apps menu?
[04:29] <nix000> hone, you can start it from the menu ?
[04:29] <hone> DonL, yeah
[04:29] <hone> nix000, no
[04:29] <hone> DonL, uhm, well it's w/ the updated back port stuff
[04:29] <power-on> is very dificult meet info for how to install kernel-smp
[04:29] <hone> DonL, from the ubuntuguide.org
[04:29] <nix000> hone, did you recently did and upgrade ?
[04:29] <tritium> GammaRay, unfortunately, it's not implemented yet
[04:29] <hone> nix000, ?
[04:30] <DonL> In that case, I don't know. Mine works fine. Click on Computer, then Home
[04:30] <azriel0184> hi guys, i noticed my bandwidth usage was through the roof, so i reset my machine, and now i cant login
[04:30] <hone> nix000, I just installed it today on my thinkpad that came in today
[04:30] <geneo93> now all i need is to know which file to edit in gdm
[04:30] <DonL> hone, I think I did all the backport stuff too
[04:30] <nix000> hone, i was seing it on hoary. even terminal was not coming up.
[04:30] <hone> nix000, yeah I don't have any hoary stuff
[04:30] <farruinn> geneo93: your xsessions are in /usr/share/xsessions iirc
[04:31] <DonL> I did screw up my system to the point of no return by trying to upgrade to Hoary, though
[04:31] <The-Ghost|afk> bob2 or Ycros any more ide's?
[04:31] <DonL> ...ended up re-installing everthing
[04:31] <azriel0184> gdm loads, and i put in my info then gnome starts up and all i get is a blank screen
[04:31] <hone> DonL, yeah I haven't tried hoary yet
[04:31] <nix000> DonL, i always get a cd install for upgrades
[04:32] <hone> DonL, I want something stable that works for my laptop
[04:32] <DonL> Your mileage may be better than mind
[04:32] <DonL> mine
[04:32] <hone> DonL, it's ok
[04:32] <hone> DonL, I want something stable
[04:32] <Coily> im getting a "relocation error" when trying to start mplayer, it seems the problem is with libavcodec.so.0 ive tried reinstalling libavcodec0 to no avail, help anyone?
[04:32] <hone> DonL, over bleeding edge
[04:32] <hone> DonL, I can't wait.
[04:32] <wuwei23> GammaRay: that certainly seemed to be the party line on the gnome forums
[04:32] <DonL> I've no doubt it will be stable
[04:32] <hone> DonL, err wait
[04:32] <azriel0184> can anyone help?
[04:32] <farruinn> DonL: did you try the preview release install cd?
[04:32] <hone> DonL, err can
[04:32] <hone> DonL, anyways, point is I'm not on hoary
[04:32] <Coily> anyone?
[04:32] <JDahl> azriel0184, try going to a console with ALT-F1, then "ps -ef | grep gnome"... maybe there's a dead gnome-panel process or something that you need to kill
[04:32] <nix000> hone, i wish i could keep using warty. i also happen to have a new laptop. and the acpi stuf is totally not working in warty
[04:33] <geneo93> farruinn:  all thats there are exe files for kde and gnome
[04:33] <GammaRay> tritium, wuwei23: i noticed that.. I'm don't even want to pester about it.. I've just been reading about people who "never edited a menu in their lives" or "wonder why a common grunt would want to worry their pretty little heard w/ organizing their own menu."
[04:33] <DonL> hone, not the cd, but an update from the net
[04:33] <power-on> thanks, im going
[04:33] <azriel0184> JDahl, nothing
[04:33] <nix000> hone, but hoary had one flaw only so far.
[04:33] <nix000> hone, evrything else went sweet
[04:33] <tritium> GammaRay, here's to hoping that they implement it soon...
[04:33] <Coily> repeatin: im getting a "relocation error" when trying to start mplayer, it seems the problem is with libavcodec.so.0 ive tried reinstalling libavcodec0 to no avail, help anyone?
[04:34] <hone> nix000, yeah everything seems ot almost be working w/ acpi
[04:34] <JDahl> azriel0184, then look at the logs /var/log/gdm
[04:34] <hone> nix000, on my x31
[04:34] <hone> DonL, hmm? I updated the stuff from ubuntuguide.org
[04:34] <wuwei23> GammaRay: i've got a bunch of java apps here, like jEdit, that doen't add their own menu option...plus i usually link a bunch of scripts into a submenu
[04:34] <DonL> Yeah. Me too
[04:34] <hone> DonL, yeah..
[04:34] <hone> DonL, maybe I should reboot
[04:34] <farruinn> GammaRay: I don't think the intent is to take away menu editing, it just needs to be implemented yet.  Pay attention to who says what on the forums, could just be anyone saying those things
[04:34] <wuwei23> GammaRay: I'm just trying to find out if there's any way of editting it at all
[04:35] <DonL> hone, maybe
[04:35] <hone> DonL, k brb
[04:35] <wuwei23> farruinn: it's just a weird thing to break for a whole release
[04:35] <GammaRay> wuwei23: supposedly you can edit the menu as root somewhere in /usr
[04:35] <karsten> Does ubuntu have any sort of demand dialer or dial-on-browser-startup feature?
[04:35] <geneo93> Could not init font path element unix/:7100, removing from list!
[04:36] <azriel0184> JDahl, nothing other than missing fonts
[04:36] <azriel0184> which have been there the whole time
[04:36] <mhykhh> Hey h\guys
[04:36] <geneo93> last line of last log
[04:37] <karsten> geneo93: Not a problem.
[04:37] <geneo93> gee i guess i tried it to many times
[04:37] <JDahl> azriel0184, when you checked for gnome processes, you didnt kill gdm, did you? (you shouldn't)
[04:37] <rever> Hi can someone tell me what I need to install to get totem to play mpg files.
[04:37] <farruinn> karsten: make sudo pon a startup item?
[04:38] <geneo93> i was in kde and did a normal reboot
[04:38] <farruinn> rever: have you seen http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats?
[04:38] <karsten> farruinn: iface ppp auto will do that.
[04:38] <karsten> farruinn: ...at startup.
[04:38] <azriel0184> JDahl ok, i tried with gdm running, and all that is there is gnome-keyring-daemon
[04:38] <rever> farruinn, Nope I am going to go there and read now thanks
[04:39] <farruinn> karsten: ok, so are you trying to do something differently?
[04:39] <GammaRay> wuwei23: I tend to dislike the whole concept of an accessories submenu (-; and rather than fight the whole gnome org about I'd rather just delete it w/ a right click
[04:39] <karsten> farruinn: I'm thinking something akin to 'Doze "dial up when launching MSIE".  My best idea is to write a wrapper script:  pon; sensible-browser; poff
[04:39] <JDahl> azriel0184, now try "sudo killall gnome-keyring-daemon" without stopping gdm
[04:39] <karsten> farruinn: PPP session is tied to _browser_ use, not system coming up/down.
[04:39] <geneo93> i tell you winxp is a virus thats what i was doing getting a fix exe file for this other guys machine and tried to copy it to floppy
[04:40] <djst> *panic* please help.. i tried the hibernate feature when logging of, it just turned off my display and left the computer unusable.. i had to hard reboot and after doing that, the nvidia driver won't load anymore!
[04:40] <farruinn> karsten: hm, make a script: 'pon ; mozila-firefox'?
[04:40] <azriel0184> JDahl its gone, but still nothing is happening
[04:40] <geneo93> karsten:  why wont kppp work
[04:40] <djst> i changed the line containing "nvidia" to just "nv" and X started again, but i can't enable the nvidia driver again.... any ideas please?
[04:40] <hone> hmm
[04:40] <JDahl> azriel0184, then I dont know
[04:40] <hone> it seems to not work
[04:41] <hone> when I get internet connection
[04:41] <farruinn> karsten: I know that's not desirable, but it's all I can think of
[04:41] <hone> and try to search my network
[04:41] <hone> for servers
[04:41] <azriel0184> it doesnt work if i try with startx either
[04:42] <azriel0184> anyone else have any ideas?
[04:42] <karsten> geneo93: NFC.
[04:42] <djst> i've even tried reinstalling nvidia-kernel-common and nvidia-glx, but the nvidia driver still don't load
[04:42] <karsten> geneo93: You're not paying it enough.
[04:42] <karsten> geneo93: Run from a terminal.  Look at its error output.
[04:42] <karsten> farruinn: Yeah, that's pretty much it.  A 'poff' at the end as well.
[04:42] <tony> djst maybe try reconfiguring xfree
[04:43] <karsten> farruinn: Anyhow, just trying to see if the idea's totally whack or not.
[04:43] <farruinn> karsten: so something exists for kde that does this?
[04:43] <djst> tony: xfree? this is hoary, using xorg... and as i said i did change the xorg.conf back to use the "nv" driver instead of "nvidia", and that starts x...
[04:43] <geneo93> yes kppp
[04:43] <djst>  but the nvidia driver refuses to load after that hibernation
[04:44] <farruinn> karsten: you could make a feature request, but I don't know if that would appropriate for ubuntu's or gnome's...
[04:45] <karsten> farruinn: NFC.
[04:46] <karsten> farruinn: I'm mostly curious as to whether this exists already.  A feature to allow the wrapper might be neat.  gconf could probably bogart it somehow.
[04:46] <critter> Anyone know why when I "$ wine --help" it starts oponing duplicate windows over and over
[04:47] <geneo93> there should be a gppp as well
[04:47] <critter> Tiles window after window
[04:47] <wuwei23> GammaRay: http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/latest/apc.html
[04:48] <wuwei23> GammaRay: looks kinda irritating but at least it's do-able :)
[04:50] <DonL> I'm off, folks. Thanks for the chat
[04:51] <hayden> how can i check how much ram i have?
[04:51] <critter> Any Help with WIne????
[04:51] <farruinn> hayden: device manager methinks
[04:52] <GammaRay> wuwei23: does it support per use overrides?
[04:52] <Quest-Master> Wow, amazing. This is the most painless printer installation, ever.
[04:53] <Quest-Master> :D
[04:53] <trippeh> I'm having a funky problem in both 4.10 and hoary, the mouse moves only two times a second while in use.
[04:53] <hayden> hmm
[04:53] <Quest-Master> Took me less than five minutes. Awesome.
[04:53] <hayden> where can i find the total amount i have
[04:53] <trippeh> FC3 has the same issue, Debian unstable/2.6 does not
[04:53] <Quest-Master> trippeh: It must be a GNOME problem then.
[04:53] <farruinn> hayden: there's probably a command but I can't think of it atm, so poke around in /proc
[04:54] <wuwei23> GammaRay: unsure
[04:54] <farruinn> hayden: or 'appropos memory'
[04:54] <hayden> k
[04:54] <trippeh> qust-master: my bets are on XFree or Xorg.
[04:54] <tony> hayden maybe dmesg
[04:54] <trippeh> Quest-Master even
[04:54] <zyaga> Does anyone know how to get Dual Monitors on Ubuntu
[04:54] <wuwei23> GammaRay: but i found a php-gtk based menu editor on the ubuntu forums; http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?s=7caaa43cfbe8d4f97fb2ca86c0791a41&t=16699&highlight=edit+menu
[04:54] <hayden> ok ill try dmesh
[04:54] <geneo93> farruinn:  ok now i remember it says dir mabe full
[04:54] <scorpix> i got error when i try to burn an iso file to a cd
[04:55] <Quest-Master> hmm. weird.
[04:55] <hayden> f**k!
[04:55] <farruinn> geneo93: huh, I have no idea
[04:55] <Quest-Master> Why is gedit printing stuff but not AbiWord?
[04:55] <Quest-Master> x_x
[04:55] <scorpix> the error is: The system is too slow to write the CD at this speed.
[04:55] <trippeh> and it works fine through vnc, of course :)
[04:55] <Quest-Master> Now, let's see if OpenOffice works
[04:55] <Quest-Master> if it ever loads, that is
[04:56] <hayden> i installed another stick of memory in my computer but it is saying i only have 192MB instead of 600+MB
[04:56] <JDahl> what language did the ubuntu devs use for the new automatic installer? Python?
[04:56] <trippeh> hayden: sure the motherboard support 512MB sticks? :)
[04:57] <tony> hayden did ur bios see the new memory?
[04:57] <Quest-Master> :\ Weird. Only gEdit is printing.
[04:57] <JDahl> The Update Manager, I mean
[04:57] <zyaga> Anyone know to get Dual Monitors on Ubuntu
[04:57] <Quest-Master> JDahl: Which automatic installer? Synaptic?
[04:57] <hayden> trippeh, my laptop has 2 slots, one that is easy to get to and one that is hard you have to take heaps of screws and stuff out to get to
[04:58] <hayden> and my laptop already came with the 512MB stick, and i had an extra 256MB stick i was gonna put in
[04:58] <zyaga> Anyone know how?
[04:58] <hayden> so i put the 512MB in the hard to get to slot, and the 256MB in the easy slot
[04:58] <hayden> but it is only reading the 256MB stick
[04:58] <JDahl> Quest-Master, no, System->Administration->Ubuntu Update Manager
[04:58] <azriel0184> hmmm.. damned screwy computer...
[04:59] <azriel0184> a full reboot fixed it...
[04:59] <hayden> i'm not sure if the bios saw it coz the bios screen doesn't stay up for long enough
[04:59] <geneo93> farruinn:  but i have 8 gigs left free space in home and none left in root maybe thats the problem but i did a apt-get clean efore i started a new round of updates
[05:00] <tony> hayden usually the bios will tell you it sees a new memory module
[05:00] <hayden> yea
[05:00] <farruinn> geneo93: aaah... if it says you don't have anymore free space then you probably don't
[05:00] <hayden> but it only stays up for like 2 seconds then tries to boot
[05:00] <hayden> anyway i will restart and see what it says
[05:00] <Quest-Master> JDahl: Weird. I don't see it.
[05:01] <tony> hayden hit f1 f2 or delete to get to bios and look
[05:01] <JDahl> Quest-Master, it's in my fresh Hoary install
[05:01] <Quest-Master> Hmm
[05:01] <zyaga> Anyone know how to get Dual Monitors on Ubuntu
[05:01] <Quest-Master> I am on Hoary as well
[05:02] <geneo93> well this shouldn't be farruinn i have 4.6 gigs of space for root alone
[05:02] <wuwei23> zyaga: warty or hoary?
[05:02] <zyaga> Warty
[05:04] <wuwei23> zyaga: have you checked out the wiki? http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/XineramaMultipleMonitors
[05:04] <zyaga> Nope
[05:04] <tony> zyaga maybe http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/XineramaMultipleMonitors/contents
[05:04] <wuwei23> zyaga: i'm not running dual monitors atm, so i can't help directly
[05:04] <wuwei23> tony: snap :)
[05:05] <tony> hope he caught the link before he left
[05:05] <JDahl> Quest-Master, the package is called update-manager, and to answer my own question: it's written in Python
[05:06] <Quest-Master> Hehe
[05:06] <geneo93> exit
[05:07] <wuwei23> tony: i think it was all he wanted
[05:07] <geneo93> opps
[05:07] <tony> wuwei cool i guess
[05:12] <rever> I put this in for the marillat repositories but it does not seem to be working. deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists unstable main
[05:12] <crimsun> rever: are you using warty or hoary?
[05:13] <scorpix> rever: change it to: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[05:13] <rever> crimsun, hoary
[05:14] <kapputu> where is everyone
[05:15] <GammaRay> kapputu: hiding
[05:15] <rever> scorpix, That seemed to do it but now I get this error. W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[05:15] <oz_> is there currently a problem with unraring in nautilus on hoary
[05:15] <kapputu> 2.6.10 breaks my wireless config
[05:16] <cafuego> Does the tooltip text show up for any of you if you include a '%' sign in a name for a button on the panel?
[05:16] <kapputu> also my eth0 is not getting configured properly
[05:16] <scorpix> rever: i get it too, but i can download upgrade from it without problems.
[05:16] <scorpix> rever: its from the mirror itself i think.
[05:17] <rever> scorpix, I am trying to load totem-xine thats why I asked let see if I can thanks
[05:20] <Absenth> does anyone know where gtk-gnutella installs when you use the .deb package?
[05:20] <sal002> How do I get a file in /etc/init.d to run on startup?
[05:21] <crimsun> sal002: man update-rc.d
[05:21] <GammaRay> Absenth: I would hope to /usr/bin/gtk-gnutella
[05:21] <crimsun> Absenth: are you using hoary?
[05:22] <GammaRay> what does it matter?
[05:22] <crimsun> because I uploaded a fixed version several hours ago
[05:23] <Absenth> Sorry, I'm on Warty.
[05:23] <sal002> thanks!
[05:23] <GammaRay> crimsun: oic
[05:23] <Absenth> no love on /usr/bin GammaRay
[05:24] <Absenth> I've got a gtk-gnutella directory under /usr/share, but nothing that can be executed.
[05:25] <GammaRay> Absenth: use dpkg -L pkg-name
[05:25] <SiRrUs> good evening people
[05:25] <crimsun> Absenth: warty/universe has 0.93.3.0-0.1
[05:25] <crimsun> Absenth: the executable is /usr/bin/gtk-gnutella
[05:26] <Bandit> hello SiRrUs
[05:26] <Bandit> SiRrUs how is hoary treating you
[05:26] <membreya> hey SiRrUs :)
[05:27] <Absenth> Hmmm....
[05:27] <SiRrUs> treating me great thanks
[05:27] <Absenth> dpkg -L says it's not installed.
[05:27] <SiRrUs> membreya hey whats up??
[05:27] <bl4cks4ils> in unbuntu for ppc
[05:27] <membreya> nuffin nuffin..just takin a break from my nap..damn night shift :P
[05:27] <bl4cks4ils> how can i hook up my laptop screen to a monitor
[05:27] <SiRrUs> :) just got home myself
[05:28] <crimsun> Absenth: what $architecture?
[05:28] <SiRrUs> cant wait till this snow and cold leaves
[05:28] <Absenth> i386
[05:28] <membreya> i've seen snow once in my life SiRrUs :)
[05:28] <Absenth> I can't afford one of those new fangled x86-64 machines :)
[05:28] <bl4cks4ils> SiRrus: where from?
[05:28] <bl4cks4ils> i just got home today too
[05:28] <SiRrUs> ontario
[05:29] <membreya> Absenth: afford? they're cheap :)
[05:29] <crimsun> Absenth: please paste in #flood the output of: apt-cache policy gtk-gnutella
[05:30] <djtansey> is there any way to get the preview install kernel to create a loopback device?
[05:31] <Absenth> crimsun is that what you were looking for?
[05:31] <crimsun> Absenth: yes. You're running Hoary.
[05:31] <crimsun> Absenth: update && upgrade
[05:32] <crimsun> Absenth: I uploaded a fixed package about 8 hours ago :-)
[05:32] <Absenth> working on it, thanks
[05:32] <crimsun> np
[05:33] <Absenth> so when I did the update/upgrade yesterday is that when I moved from the Warty iso I installed to Hoary?
[05:34] <crimsun> Absenth: if you changed warty->hoary, yes
[05:34] <Absenth> assuming I finished with sudo apt-get dist-upgrade that is
[05:34] <crimsun> yep.
[05:34] <Absenth> I admit to being new to debian based linux.  Been using it for about a week.
[05:35] <Absenth> beats the snot out of the FC3 install I have at work.
[05:35] <crimsun> it is a nice distro :-)
[05:35] <error_29> hoary seems much more stable than warty.
[05:36] <Burgundavia> Absenth: no, as you still pointing to the warty sources. You can confirm by locking at your sources.lst in /etc/apt
[05:36] <Absenth> Burgundavia, what can I put in the sources.lst in order to get what's current?
[05:37] <Burgundavia> Absenth: warty is current stable hoary is unstable
[05:37] <Burgundavia> Absenth: if you can live with things sometimes breaking, try out hoary
[05:37] <Absenth> does anyone acutally use "stable"  :)
[05:37] <Burgundavia> Absenth: yes, lots of people
[05:37] <Burgundavia> Absenth: simple change all refs of warty to hoary in your sources.lst
[05:37] <Absenth> as a network admin on a w2k network, I'm pretty used to things breaking,  I'm definatly willing to give hoary a shot...
[05:38] <Burgundavia> Absenth: and then do a dist-upgrade
[05:38] <laggerzero> is there a quick ntfs kernel patch out there?
[05:38] <Burgundavia> laggerzero: ?
[05:38] <laggerzero> i'm using hoary and it doesn't have ntfs compiled in the kernel
[05:38] <laggerzero> or so it seems
[05:38] <laggerzero> when i try to mount it i get an uknown file system error
[05:39] <Burgundavia> laggerzero: I just mounted an ntfs last night and it worked fine
[05:39] <laggerzero> i'll try again
[05:39] <Absenth> do I need to edit the "deb cdrom:...." line at the top of the sources.list?
[05:39] <Burgundavia> Absenth: not really
[05:39] <nomasteryoda> laggerzero, check the parition list
[05:39] <nomasteryoda> with "fdisk -l"
[05:39] <Burgundavia> that is for people without good internet
[05:39] <Burgundavia> laggerzero: you must run fdisk as sudo, otherwise it will fail silently
[05:40] <nomasteryoda> Burgundavia, thanks
[05:40] <laggerzero> heh, worked that time
[05:40] <Burgundavia> took me a while to figure that out
[05:40] <Absenth> here goes......
[05:40] <Burgundavia> if you just run it, no output will occur
[05:40] <laggerzero> now to add that ot mtab
[05:41] <error_29> Can someone clarify something about Samba for me -- I'm running hoary, I don't have Samba installed,
[05:41] <error_29> except for some "common" files
[05:41] <Burgundavia> error_29: you can connect to a smb machine, but not share anything out
[05:41] <crimsun> error_29: (so your Hoary machine can't act as a Windows file server)
[05:41] <error_29> yet, I have no problems reading and writing to my windows partitions
[05:42] <Burgundavia> error_29: unless you install samba itself
[05:42] <error_29> on another computer
[05:42] <Burgundavia> yes
[05:42] <blackstar> what packages do i need to install to use the the './ package.bin'
[05:42] <Absenth> the common files are so you can mount smb shares with fstab, as well as manually mount remote smb shares I believe....
[05:42] <Burgundavia> blackstar: what are you trying to do?
[05:42] <blackstar> for some reason i cant use the './' command
[05:42] <crimsun> blackstar: it needs to be executable
[05:42] <blackstar> i am trying to install java_netbeans.bin
[05:43] <blackstar> oic so i need to change the chmod rights
[05:43] <error_29> ok, noob question here crimsun-- what's the definition of "share anything out" -- i mean, I can transfer files to my other pc on my lan without Samba ...
[05:43] <Burgundavia> './' simply tells it run the executable in the current folder, without looking through your path, nothing for
[05:43] <Burgundavia> s/for/more
[05:43] <laggerzero> its been awhile since i've done this. where and how do i add the mount command for the ntfs partition?
[05:43] <laggerzero> can't remember the file
[05:43] <Burgundavia> error_29: create a share on your machine
[05:43] <blackstar> Burgundavia - thanks
[05:44] <Burgundavia> laggerzero: you can just mount with sudo mount /dev/blah /mountpoint -t ntfs
[05:44] <laggerzero> that just temp mounts it
[05:44] <Burgundavia> laggerzero: or you can add to fstab
[05:44] <laggerzero> thats it
[05:44] <error_29> sorry Burgundavia , I'm not being clear-- I'm saying, everything is already sharing!  I don't know what I would gain from Samba.
[05:44] <Absenth> error_29 with the common files, from linux you can access shares on a windows machine with full read/write.  You need samba in order to create a share on the linux machine that's avalible from winderz.
[05:44] <skreet> Okay I'm following the ATI driver install directions and when I do modprobe fglrx it says "Invalid Module Format"
[05:45] <Burgundavia> skreet: did you download the drivers or did you compile them yourself?
[05:45] <crimsun> skreet: known issue with current Hoary. Kernels are being recompiled.
[05:45] <kapputu> where does gkt-gnutella get installed?
[05:45] <skreet> crimsun, Good enough, thanks.
[05:45] <crimsun> kapputu: are you running Hoary?
[05:45] <laggerzero> this will take two lines
[05:45] <skreet> Any ETA on tht crimsun, or a fix to get me going?
[05:45] <kapputu> yes crimsun
[05:45] <laggerzero> # <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
[05:46] <laggerzero> /dev/hda1       /mnt/windows    ntfs    ro,auto         0       1
[05:46] <crimsun> Absenth: the floor is yours ;-)
[05:46] <Burgundavia> kapputu: synaptic will tell you if you right-click on a package a choose properties and then installed files
[05:46] <laggerzero> is that right?
[05:46] <kapputu> I used apt-get
[05:46] <kapputu> I prefer to use the cmd-line
[05:46] <Burgundavia> kapputu: by default, most executable go into /usr/bin
[05:46] <Burgundavia> kapputu: /usr/bin should be part of your path
[05:46] <kapputu> I know
[05:46] <kapputu> couldn't find it
[05:46] <Absenth> crimsun, I don't have it working yet, but if you're running hoary, Crimsun just uploaded a fixed version to the universe I believe.  It installs the binary to /usr/bin
[05:46] <error_29> ok Absenth -- I see now.
[05:46] <ratl3> yo
[05:46] <error_29> thanks
[05:46] <crimsun> ^^ kapputu
[05:47] <kapputu> ??
[05:47] <crimsun> kapputu: are you using Hoary?
[05:48] <kapputu> yes crimsun
[05:48] <crimsun> kapputu: update && upgrade
[05:48] <skreet> crimsun, Any idea when I could expect/check on new kernels, or a kernel that *does* work?
[05:48] <error_29> Would I need Samba to get ubuntu sharing with another linux installation on the network?
[05:48] <kapputu> skreet: 2.6.8 works fine
[05:49] <kapputu> I had the same problem as u
[05:49] <crimsun> skreet: kernels were building when zul when to sleep, so probably in 2-3 hours?
[05:49] <DarthFrog> error_29: NFS works
[05:49] <viper12> evening all.
[05:49] <skreet> kapputu, Okay I'll downgrade to 2.6.8 for now
[05:49] <Absenth> error_29 I'd use nfs for that, and avoid SMB alltogether for that.
[05:49] <hayden> i got me ram working
[05:49] <kapputu> error_29: I thin Nautilus takes care of that
[05:49] <viper12> lol........crimsun.....the very question i had.  lol
[05:49] <skreet> thanks crimsun + kapputu
[05:49] <Absenth> yeah, what he said :)
[05:49] <kapputu> error_29:  u just need to setup the shares - http://ubuntuguide.org
[05:51] <error_29> ok, thanks-- I'm actually amazed at how well ubuntu browses my windows network right out of the box.  and much faster than windows itself
[05:51] <Absenth> I think Insight must have updated my broadband.
[05:52] <kapputu> having trouble with ftp://nerim.net
[05:52] <Absenth> upgrade has been kicking along at 400kB/s
[05:54] <Absenth> so for those of you with x86-64, can you install i386 packages if there isn't a 64 package avalible?
[05:54] <kapputu> what application reads .chm files?
[05:54] <Hmmmm> Absenth, how good is the package availability for amd64 on ubuntu?
[05:54] <crimsun> Absenth: in a 32-bit chroot, yes
[05:55] <The-Ghost|afk> dos ubuntu use lilo?
[05:55] <Absenth> Hmmmm I don't have a amd64 yet, that's actually why I asked the question.
[05:55] <The-Ghost|afk> ?
[05:55] <The-Ghost|afk> dose
[05:56] <crimsun> The-Ghost|afk: grub
[05:56] <Absenth> The-Ghost|afk I think it's grub.
[05:56] <Burgundavia> The-Ghost|afk: no, uses grub
[05:56] <Burgundavia> lilo was dropped by most distros about 3/4 years ago
[05:56] <The-Ghost|afk> hmm
[05:56] <The-Ghost|afk> okay
[05:56] <kapputu> crimsun: having problems with the debian source
[05:56] <DarthFrog> lilo isn't even installed.
[05:56] <Absenth> ok, I have to ask, does x-chat have a name autocomplete?, and if so, how do I pull it off?
[05:56] <The-Ghost|afk> okay.
[05:56] <crimsun> kapputu: of?
[05:57] <error_29> use tab, Absenth
[05:57] <DarthFrog> Though lilo is apt-gettable.
[05:57] <Absenth> error_29, fantastic, thanks.
[05:57] <The-Ghost|afk> now i trayd 100000 posibol ways to remove the ext3 from my hdd to install windows for one last time agein
[05:57] <error_29> (doesn't work with all names for some reason)
[05:57] <tony> will amarok be  in repos later?
[05:57] <The-Ghost|afk> and stil i can't get it to instal
[05:57] <ggeecko> I am trying to apt-get limeire...is it apt-get install limewire
[05:57] <geneo93> well here i am in ubuntu
[05:58] <Absenth> I just hope cedega, and my nvidia drivers don't break after the hoary upgrade.
[05:58] <crimsun> tony: 1.2.1 is in Hoary
[05:58] <The-Ghost|afk> becouse i can't get hdd back to old partition.
[05:58] <tony> crimsun, ty
[05:58] <JDahl> I wish one of the Python devs would start packaging matplotlib...
[05:58] <crimsun> Absenth: they will. It's being repaired.
[05:58] <kapputu> crimsun: ftp://nerim.net/debian-marilliat
[05:58] <crimsun> JDahl: it's being processed. There are still a bundle of python packages to transition to 2.4
[05:59] <Absenth> crimsun, well.... this should be fun...
[05:59] <ggeecko> I am trying to apt-get limewire...is it apt-get install limewire
[05:59] <Hmmmm> when does the new version of ubuntu come out?
[05:59] <kapputu> yes
[05:59] <kapputu> I actually downloaded it from ubuntuguide.org ggeecko
[05:59] <crimsun> Hmmmm: April
[05:59] <geneo93> karsten:  i have 4.6 gig root partition and no office apps and i run out of disk space thats crazy
[05:59] <crimsun> kapputu: what sort of issues?
[05:59] <regeya> kubuntu is looking nice...have it installed on my box at home.  still rough around the edges but I expected that. :-)
[05:59] <The-Ghost|afk> any of u know of a prog that can partition my hdd back to fat32 or somthing.. that works becouse the system in ubuntu dosn't work
[05:59] <The-Ghost|afk> for this
[05:59] <ggeecko> kapputu: thx
[06:00] <SiRrUs> ggeecko take a look here  www.ubuntuguide.org/#limewire
[06:00] <karsten> geneo93: For a current Linux install, I'd start at around 6 GB myself.  'df -h' will show a summary of free space in your partitions.
[06:00] <Burgundavia> The-Ghost|afk: parted/gparted will do it
[06:00] <error_29> folks, I may be getting an amd64 laptop tomorrow, and i want to put hoary on it; would copying my current gconfig folder to the new installation be a problem?  I'm running hoary on a 32 bit machine now
[06:00] <Absenth> The-Ghost|afk, goto source forge, and search "dban"
[06:00] <tony> later all
[06:00] <The-Ghost|afk> thx
[06:00] <karsten> geneo93: 'du -s <dirlist>' will give a summary of usage by directory.  There's also an interactive GUI tool, 'filelight' which shows disk usage.
[06:01] <Absenth> The-Ghost|afk, it's Deriks boot & nuke.  Kinda the sledgehammer to drive in a walltack aproch, but.
[06:01] <punkrockguy318> How can I install java for hoary?  There are warty guides, but I don't see any hoary ones.
[06:02] <SiRrUs> punkrockguy318should work like the warty info
[06:02] <Burgundavia> punkrockguy318: the one on ubuntuguide.org should work for hoary
[06:02] <Absenth> I'd like to point out what I'm sure is obvious to everyone, but the Ubuntu channel is much more helpful then the redhat channel :)
[06:02] <geneo93> duh /dev/sde1             4.6G  4.4G  7.0M 100% /
[06:02] <Absenth> or maybe it's just much less idle.
[06:02] <membreya> Absenth: that's cos it's not a bunch of bitter old sys admins :P
[06:02] <geneo93> karsten:  but thats crazy i did fine last round with this
[06:03] <SiRrUs> :)
[06:03] <kapputu> Absenth: that's why I'm still going strong with Ubuntu after 8 months
[06:03] <geneo93> heck mandrakes a bloat and it has only 5 gigs
[06:04] <Absenth> membreya, I've got 9 redhat 8 machines running a very custom version of LTSP at work.  I can't easily recreate the custom install on a new/diffrent distro.  but the version of NFS on those machines likes to hang pretty frequently.
[06:04] <Absenth> I wouldn't care if NFS died so much, if it weren't for the fact when it locks up on one server it takes out between 10 and 110 users.
[06:04] <SiRrUs> kapputu 8 months?
[06:04] <chillywilly> ubuntu rules
[06:04] <kapputu> yeah almost
[06:05] <Burgundavia> 6 months for me
[06:05] <Burgundavia> warty preview I installed
[06:05] <error_29> genao93, I may not know what i'm talking about, but have you maybe accumulated a bunch of temporary files relating to uninstalled packages?  I think they tend to pile up... ?
[06:05] <kapputu> I think I started in Sept
[06:05] <SiRrUs> damm i thought the first one came out in oct
[06:05] <kapputu> got my math wrong
[06:05] <SiRrUs> ;)
[06:05] <Absenth> kapputu, I've been using it since, Saturday.
[06:05] <Absenth> so a week,.
[06:05] <Absenth> been a redhat guy :/ since 5
[06:05] <error_29> ubuntu is infectious
[06:05] <regeya> just decided to give kubuntu a try; not because I'm unhappy with mainline ubuntu, but just not absolutely thrilled with gnome (but it's pretty, isn't that enough?)
[06:05] <chillywilly> la la la
[06:05] <SiRrUs> yeah it sure is
[06:06] <kapputu> error_29: absolutely, I have it on two of my other machines too
[06:06] <geneo93> error_29:  well i did a apt-get clean before i started this round of updates
[06:06] <Absenth> anyone try Xandros?
[06:06] <chillywilly> oooh, apache 2.1.3
[06:06] <chillywilly> nifty
[06:06] <DarthFrog> Absenth: I was a beta tester for Xandros 1.0
[06:07] <chillywilly> wonder how much sutff that breaks
[06:07] <chillywilly> :)
[06:07] <Absenth> DarthFrog, I'
[06:07] <error_29> regeya, I'm with you-- love the calm look of gnome, hate the (to me) cheesy look of kde, but dammit, some of gnome's choices seem senseless and domineering toward the user.
[06:07] <Hmmmm> guys, when do we get gnome 2.10 on ubuntu?
[06:07] <Absenth> DarthFrog, I've got a notebook at work running the public 2.0,  it's "neat" but this is way better.
[06:07] <regeya> kde can be made to look less cheesy
[06:07] <regeya> but yeah, I'm with you
[06:07] <SiRrUs> Hmmmm its here
[06:07] <error_29> and gnome seems impoverished in the way of useful applets
[06:07] <DarthFrog> Absenth: Xandros has some really nice features.  It's File Manager is excellent.
[06:08] <kapputu> Hmmmm: with hoary
[06:08] <regeya> them's fighting worsds around here, error_29, but I'm in agreement. :-)
[06:08] <DarthFrog> Absenth: But on the whole, I agree with you.  I really like Ubuntu.
[06:08] <regeya> remember, error_29, if you're smart enough to use an irc client, your opinion on gnome doesn't count
[06:08] <Absenth> DarthFrog, it's because of Xandros I actually paid the codeweaver guys for Crossover Office.
[06:08] <cwillu> regeya:  example?  I'm fairly new to the window managers
[06:08] <Absenth> using it at work (which is all win2k save my 9 LTSP servers)
[06:09] <regeya> but error_29 all you have to do is fire up a terminal twiddle your big toes and fart out your ear
[06:09] <DarthFrog> Absenth: CrossOver Office is a very nice enhancement of Wine.  And they host/support the Wine project.
[06:09] <error_29> lol, regeya
[06:10] <Absenth> DarthFrog, it allows me to easily run Lotus notes, Ms office 2k, and Clientele.  and I didn't have to pull my hair out, or go more grey to get them working.
[06:10] <Burgundavia> Absenth: more specific codeweavers(crossover makers) pay the lead wine dev
[06:10] <kapputu> DarthFrog: is CrossOver Office open source?
[06:10] <DarthFrog> Absenth: Yeah, that's it's major claim to fame.  Easily and seamlessly run many Windows apps on Linux.
[06:10] <Burgundavia> kapputu: no
[06:10] <DarthFrog> kapputu: No.  It's commercial.
[06:11] <kapputu> ok
[06:11] <Burgundavia> kapputu: but it based off the foss Wine project
[06:11] <DarthFrog> kapputu: But Wine is definitely open source.
[06:11] <kapputu> ic
[06:11] <Burgundavia> Kaloz: www.winehq.org
[06:11] <kapputu> yeah tried out wine yesterday
[06:11] <kapputu> got firefox working
[06:11] <kapputu> not IE
[06:11] <DarthFrog> kapputu: CrossOver Office is nothing more than a frontend to Wine.
[06:11] <cwillu> open source is not exclusive of commercial  :p
[06:11] <cwillu> proprietary was the word you were looking for :)
[06:11] <Absenth> At least their license doesn't suck.
[06:11] <nomasteryoda> DarthFrog, well not in performance
[06:11] <error_29> kapputu, you're using wine for firefox???
[06:12] <kapputu> error_29: yeah I'm kinda dumb
[06:12] <chillywilly> freak :)
[06:12] <Absenth> the personal version of crossover office says I can install it on as many pc's as I like, however I am the only authorized user of the software.
[06:12] <cwillu> error_29:  it's a wonderful way to test it out, seeing as you already know how the thing should behave :)
[06:12] <kapputu> does Ubuntu come with firefox? :-p
[06:12] <chillywilly> this iso needs to hurry up :)
[06:12] <Hmmmm> kapputu ya it does
[06:12] <kapputu> Hmmmm: hmmm
[06:13] <cwillu> hmm?
[06:13] <Hmmmm> firefox has been broswer of choice from day one for ubuntu
[06:13] <viyyer> I have this USB modem ..UM9100-U .. I ave not success with google
[06:13] <DarthFrog> nomasteryoda: performance isn't really the issue, though.  If all you need is one or two Windows apps, Xover OFfice allows you to have your cake and eat it, too. :-)
[06:13] <kapputu> damn din't know that !
[06:13] <nomasteryoda> true
[06:13] <Absenth> I'm using co office at home for internet exploder and that's about it.
[06:13] <error_29> no, i wasn't ridiculing you-- it does seem clever. And i can think of a dozen open source projects ported to windows that might be easier to run with wine, than hunting down packages for
[06:13] <Absenth> I have transgaming for Swg and wow.
[06:13] <awb4422> hoary has been awesome so far to me, minus the nvidia gotchas..read a few things about how devs are working on it, but other than that..
[06:13] <nomasteryoda> i can install macromedia dreamweaver mx on crossover.. wine chokes on it
[06:13] <kapputu> error_29: I was testing out wine
[06:14] <cwillu> nomasteryoda, really depends on the exact version you install
[06:14] <nomasteryoda> when you pay that kind of money for an app, you want it to work... esp. after dumping windows
[06:14] <kapputu> haven't felt the need for it but I'm thinking of switching back to Ubuntu on my desktop too
[06:14] <Burgundavia> awb4422: but the key thing is the devs *are* working on it
[06:14] <karsten> geneo93: Arguing with your filesystem about how much free disk you've got is sort of pointless.
[06:14] <awb4422> true, and im happy about that
[06:14] <kapputu> I currently use Windoze on that
[06:14] <blizah> is it possible to execute two commands in one window?
[06:14] <kapputu> karsten: arguing with ur filesystem?? lol
[06:14] <error_29> Wine defeats me, but i know it's not intended for lopowerusers like me...
[06:14] <awb4422> obviously, they wouldn't release it for final if nvidia drivers weren't working lol.. hardly anyone would use it
[06:14] <blizah> err
[06:14] <chillywilly> command1; command2
[06:14] <blizah> one icon
[06:15] <cwillu> anybody know if the windows command processor (i.e., cmd) works under wine?
[06:15] <awb4422> i can still use it on my laptop, but its 640x480..quite interesting
[06:15] <blizah> chillywilly i mean in one launch icon
[06:15] <cwillu> + net commands and the like
[06:15] <karsten> geneo93: Anyway, google "linux partitioning" if you want my view on things.
[06:15] <awb4422> cwillu - why would you want that?
[06:15] <chillywilly> blizah: write a wrapper script
[06:15] <Absenth> so is it difficult to install XCFE on ubuntu hoary?  I don't suppose there's a .deb for it :)
[06:15] <cwillu> I develop a web management system for nt4 / activedirectory domains
[06:15] <awb4422> ah
[06:15] <cwillu> i.e., that _runs_ on either nt4, 2k or xp
[06:15] <error_29> I had xcfe running well on warty before, don't know about hoary
[06:15] <crimsun> Absenth: 4.0.6 is in universe
[06:16] <cwillu> mostly java based, but it relies on the command processor
[06:16] <blizah> chillywilly no idea how to do that :D
[06:16] <Absenth> crimsun, that's perfect, especially since I just enabled the universe :)
[06:16] <chillywilly> #!/bin/sh
[06:16] <cwillu> I'd love to make it linux compatible as well :)
[06:16] <chillywilly> command1
[06:16] <crimsun> Absenth: 4.2+ will be in Bendy
[06:16] <chillywilly> command2
[06:16] <chillywilly> :)
[06:16] <chillywilly> make a file with those lines in it
[06:16] <chillywilly> call it from the launcher
[06:16] <cwillu> chilly, not talking to me are you?
[06:17] <chillywilly> chmod 755 file
[06:17] <Absenth> not that I have anyde idea what, when, or where a bendy is :)
[06:17] <cwillu> okay, you're not, good :)
[06:17] <kapputu> I'm trying to get the movie The Ring
[06:17] <chillywilly> cwillu: no
[06:17] <blizah> chillywilly what should i call the file?
[06:17] <chillywilly> probably whatever-you-want.sh :)
[06:18] <blizah> heh k
[06:18] <chillywilly> or you can leave the .sh off too...your choice
[06:18] <Hell-Razor> does anybody know what the ati-drivers are called in apt-get?
[06:18] <chillywilly> this isn't windoze afterall ;)
[06:18] <chillywilly> you just need the execute bit(s) set
[06:19] <Absenth> Hell-Razor, no, but I know you can get them through synaptic
[06:19] <cwillu> http://www.ubuntu.com/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:19] <kapputu> oh for a min I read it as excuse bit set chillywilly
[06:19] <cwillu> Hell-Ravor:
[06:19] <cwillu> or razor :p
[06:19] <Hell-Razor> heh
[06:19] <chillywilly> although you can also do 'sh file.sh' (yes, I like to confuse people)
[06:19] <Hell-Razor> i ahve the fglrx drivers
[06:19] <Hell-Razor> but i think those are a bit different
[06:20] <cwillu> are you looking for the proprietary drivers?
[06:20] <skreet> Anyone know how to get the shadows on gnome windows like the screener for Clearlooks
[06:20] <Hell-Razor> cwillu, chillywilly, im looking for the ati-release drivers
[06:20] <chillywilly> yay, 1 min left until new preview install iso
[06:20] <Absenth> Hell-Razor, those are the ones I installed on the slow puter.  I think I get a whopping 1700fps in glxgears (probibly not running right)
[06:20] <Hell-Razor> Absenth, now they run about 6000 for me...glxgears
[06:20] <Absenth> since a radeon 9550 se should do a bit better then 1700
[06:21] <cwillu> oh well... to bed with me
[06:21] <chillywilly> time to burn the iso
[06:21] <Absenth> nice, glxgears give me a segfault :)  guess I should wait for dist-upgrade to finish
[06:21] <Hell-Razor> lol
[06:21] <laggerzero> will the kernel source used to make hoary ever be made available?
[06:22] <crimsun> laggerzero: it's always available. linux-source-2.6.10
[06:22] <Hell-Razor> is it possible to upgrade now to the hoary?
[06:22] <laggerzero> its patched
[06:22] <laggerzero> not the regular one
[06:22] <Absenth> Hell-Razor, I'm in the process of upgrading to Hoary
[06:22] <laggerzero> it has debian patches in it
[06:22] <laggerzero> i've looked at the 2.9 and the debian 2.9
[06:22] <laggerzero> there are differences
[06:22] <Hell-Razor> Absenth: kickass...wanna help me out?
[06:23] <error_29> speaking of iso's  -- can anyone tell me a work-around for this problem:  although my laptop setup is set to boot from cd, Grub won't let it do that -- i can't find anything in the Grub menu options to switch to cd boot
[06:23] <crimsun> laggerzero: what are you looking for, vanilla or ubuntu?
[06:23] <Absenth> as a week long user of Ubuntu, sure :)
[06:23] <laggerzero> ubuntu
[06:23] <crimsun> laggerzero: linux-tree-2.6.10
[06:23] <laggerzero> thx
[06:23] <laggerzero> gave it a weird name
[06:23] <crimsun> that's not weird
[06:23] <chillywilly> I'm tired
[06:23] <Hell-Razor> Absenth: where do i get the dl from
[06:24] <Absenth> Hell-Razor, change every instance of warty to hoary in /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:24] <hayden> is there a program for linux like netstumbler for windows?
[06:24] <chillywilly> wonder if Ubuntu is easy to install even when sleep deprived
[06:24] <chillywilly> :)
[06:24] <Absenth> then update / upgrade / dist-upgrade
[06:24] <crimsun> prismstumbler - Wireless network sniffer  <-- ?
[06:24] <laggerzero> hoary has to be installed in expert mode
[06:24] <chillywilly> that shall be the ultimate test!
[06:24] <laggerzero> it won't ask for root passwards otherwise
[06:25] <crimsun> hayden: apt-cache search wireless sniffer
[06:25] <hayden> ok thakns
[06:25] <chillywilly> passwords?!? We don't need no stinking passwords :)
[06:25] <kapputu> chillywilly: u installing the new hoary preview?
[06:25] <Absenth> laggerzero, well then, it's possible I completely hosed up my computer jsut now :)
[06:25] <chillywilly> yea, "just because"
[06:25] <error_29> help!  how do i boot from a cd?  It wasn't a problem before Grub took over.
[06:25] <laggerzero> synaptic used my user password and accepted it
[06:25] <kapputu> www.ubuntuguide.org
[06:25] <skreet> How can I apt-get OLDER kernel images/headers/restricted-modules?
[06:25] <viyyer> ubuntu sucks bigtime man.. !! no kppp  at all.. no gui dialer atall
[06:26] <crimsun> skreet: pass the version to aptitude or apt-get
[06:26] <laggerzero> but i couldn't install anything except through that
[06:26] <laggerzero> coulldn't modify files
[06:26] <Absenth> I dunno, the exact command I used was
[06:26] <laggerzero> just boot off of the cd and type expert
[06:26] <skreet> crimsun, so just do apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8-686 ?
[06:26] <Absenth> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade (and then fed it the sudo password)
[06:27] <crimsun> skreet: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8-686=someversion
[06:27] <kapputu> viyyer: sudo apt-get install gnome-ppp or download the .deb
[06:27] <kapputu>  http://linux.org.by/debian/pool/main/g/gnome-ppp/
[06:27] <kapputu> Then, dpkg -i gnome-ppp_*something*.deb.
[06:28] <laggerzero> I do love hoary though.
[06:28] <Absenth> alright, I asume I have to reboot to make the dist-upgrade take effect.  anything I should know in case I blew up the world?
[06:28] <laggerzero> especially since it uses xorg and a new kernel
[06:28] <crimsun> Absenth: it's not advisable to reboot yet
[06:28] <laggerzero> and the latest packages are available
[06:28] <Absenth> crimsun, alright I'll bite, what do I still need to do?
[06:28] <crimsun> Absenth: that is, if you're using the binary-only ATI or Nvidia driver
[06:28] <geneo93> well here i am resizing partitions for ubuntu hope this works
[06:29] <Absenth> I got the nvidia driver through synaptic
[06:29] <Absenth> whichever one that is.
[06:29] <laggerzero> that one works
[06:29] <laggerzero> just open up the console and type in nvidia-glx enable
[06:29] <viyyer> kapputu, are you sure.. it wouldn't break the package tree.. I don't want to come to and try install something and get stuck :(
[06:29] <laggerzero> as root
[06:29] <crimsun> Absenth: it's currently broken with the latest kernel in Hoary, hence why I would delay rebooting
[06:29] <kapputu> u won't get stuck
[06:29] <Hell-Razor> crimsun: can you help me out also..i am at apt-upgrade
[06:29] <laggerzero> i scratched my head on that one for a few mins
[06:30] <crimsun> Hell-Razor: what issue?
[06:30] <geneo93> apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:30] <Hell-Razor> crimsun, no issue...just waiting to see what to do next =)
[06:30] <laggerzero> my bad.
[06:30] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[06:30] <crimsun> Hell-Razor: "next?" after what?
[06:30] <laggerzero> its nvidia-glx-config enable
[06:30] <laggerzero> as root
[06:30] <sal002> I get this error with iptables:  unable to make backup link of `./lib/iptables/libip6t_hbh.so' before installing new version: Too many links
[06:30] <da_bon_bon> does openoffice.org2 depend in /any/ way on openoffice.org ?
[06:30] <Hell-Razor> crimsun, apt-get upgrade
[06:30] <laggerzero> brb
[06:30] <laggerzero> gotta reboot
[06:31] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: no
[06:31] <crimsun> Hell-Razor: upgrade? from warty or from hoary?
[06:31] <Hell-Razor> crimsun, from warty
[06:31] <Absenth> crimsun so I can go in, edit my xconfig, change the nvidia back to nv, and a reboot will be fine, correct?
[06:31] <kapputu> I thought hoary came with openoffice.org2
[06:32] <error_29> Hell-
[06:32] <Hell-Razor> crimsun, from warty to hoary
[06:32] <error_29> oops
[06:32] <crimsun> Hell-Razor: you needed a dist-upgrade
[06:32] <Hell-Razor> crimsun, do that next?
[06:32] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: ok, becoz i use ooo2 completely, and am thinking of removing the 1.3 version
[06:32] <crimsun> Hell-Razor: well, you were supposed to do that in place of upgrade, but sure
[06:32] <Hell-Razor> crimsun, oopd
[06:32] <kapputu> crimsun: any advantages with openoffice.org2
[06:32] <Hell-Razor> crimsun, oops
[06:33] <crimsun> Hell-Razor: you didn't do anything wrong
[06:33] <Hell-Razor> crimsun, i figured sense you just said oh sure
[06:33] <delltony> can someone help me in resolving this issue after reading a bug report it was stated to unload the alsa driver with the /etc/init.d/alsa force-unload then do a modprobe snd_intel8x0  i do this and get the following errors http://www.pastebin.com/253635
[06:33] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: keep in mind ubuntu-desktop still depends on OO.o 1.1
[06:33] <Hell-Razor> how would you upgrade kernels in ubuntu...does it auto-update?
[06:34] <da_bon_bon> oh god! ubuntu rocks!!!!
[06:34] <crimsun> kapputu: I'm sorry, I can't say from experience. You might want to check the feature list on openoffice.org
[06:34] <Absenth> crimsun besides the driver "nvidia" line in the new xorg.conf file, do I need to remember to change anything else?
[06:34] <zenrox> i got my pc to boot off a 128mbs SD memory card
[06:35] <zenrox> woohoo
[06:35] <Hell-Razor> lol
[06:35] <crimsun> Absenth: comment out Load "dri" and Load "GLcore", and make sure Load "glx" is uncommented
[06:35] <Absenth> also, where should I watch for a fix of the accelerated nvidia drivers in hoary
[06:35] <Hell-Razor> thats fucking pathedic
[06:35] <kapputu> where can I download good themes?
[06:35] <crimsun> Absenth: on the other hand, you might want to leave it "nv" right now
[06:35] <Absenth> I actually need to change it BACK to nv.
[06:35] <crimsun> delltony: sec
[06:35] <Absenth> currently I've got the accelerated drivers loaded "nvidia"
[06:36] <delltony> ok thanks
[06:36] <Absenth> which is it that's broken?  nv, or nvidia
[06:36] <crimsun> Absenth: right, because the new kernel has an ABI break
[06:36] <error_29> zenrox, wow...
[06:36] <crimsun> Absenth: neither. It's the kernel.
[06:36] <crimsun> Hell-Razor: just use Synaptic to install a new kernel
[06:37] <Absenth> so I can leave it alone, and pray I don't have some form of forced reboot, Ie powerfailure prior to a fix?
[06:37] <Hell-Razor> crimsun, alright i did apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:37] <crimsun> delltony: are you running Hoary?
[06:37] <Hell-Razor> crimsun, what else do i need to do
[06:37] <Absenth> Hell-Razor, your machine must be wicked fast.  those three took my little box about 40 min.
[06:37] <crimsun> delltony: those errors are due to the same ABI breakage that's affecting Nvidia and ATI binary-only users
[06:38] <Hell-Razor> Absenth: what kind of machine are you running?
[06:38] <wuwei23> kapputu: http://art.gnome.org/
[06:38] <Absenth> 2400+ with a gig of ddr.
[06:38] <crimsun> Hell-Razor: depends whether you use the binary-only Nvidia or ATI driver
[06:38] <Absenth> although the universe stuff might have added a bunch of time to that.
[06:38] <Hell-Razor> Absenth: im running amd64 3700+ oced to 3.3 pc4400ddr2 ram
[06:38] <laggerzero> ok i've got a problem now
[06:38] <laggerzero> the nvidia drivers won't load
[06:38] <Absenth> Hell-Razor, that might qualify as wicked fast.  :)
[06:39] <Hell-Razor> Absenth: but im using 32bit because 64bit is horrible in linux
[06:39] <Hell-Razor> Absenth: ...so far
[06:39] <laggerzero> Hell-Razor, its not that bad
[06:39] <laggerzero> it depends on the distro
[06:39] <Hell-Razor> i am using ubuntu till gentoo gets better 64bit
[06:39] <delltony> yes i'm running hoary
[06:39] <Hell-Razor> then its back to gentoo
[06:39] <Absenth> so where do I watch for an nVidia kernel fix?
[06:39] <laggerzero> Absenth, i'm with you
[06:39] <da_bon_bon> anyone tried nerolinux ?
[06:39] <laggerzero> it won't load
[06:39] <Hell-Razor> crimsun, im running ati-drivers
[06:39] <laggerzero> so i might have to compile it myself
[06:40] <laggerzero> which is why i need to get the kernel souce
[06:40] <delltony> and i'm running the ati drivers from their site. thats the only way i could get open gl to actually work correctly
[06:40] <pi> Is anybody else in hoary able to get proper xinerama functionality?
[06:40] <da_bon_bon> Hell-Razor: ubuntu is much better than gentoo
[06:40] <Absenth> shrug, if my 3d doesn't work I have more excuse for not playing games tomorow, and doing things that are productive.
[06:40] <delltony> the framerate with the ubuntu one is only 300 where with their drivers its 4000
[06:40] <Absenth> like wash and wax my car in the snow.
[06:40] <Hell-Razor> da_bon_bon: are you stupid? gentoo is by far the best distro out there,...that is if yuio dont have a shit computer
[06:41] <Absenth> I'd argue with both of you, but it wouldn't change either of your minds :)
[06:41] <crimsun> Hell-Razor: then you'll want to stick with your current setup for a few more hours til the main kernel guys upload the new kernel
[06:41] <laggerzero> i'm gonna have to get the drives manually
[06:41] <crimsun> btw, let's keep distro wars outside #ubuntu please
[06:41] <laggerzero> and install them
[06:41] <Absenth> Gentoo is cool because portage is almost ports.
[06:41] <tizen> How can I connect to a remote x server through linux?
[06:41] <Hell-Razor> da_bon_bon: in gentoo i can compile glibc in just shy if 15minutes...so my compile time is easy...i can get a stage 1 tarball setup on my computer and gentoo running in just under 5 hours
[06:42] <Absenth> Ubuntu is so far the linux distro that pisses me off the least.
[06:42] <laggerzero> apt is god imo. so is portage
[06:42] <da_bon_bon> Absenth: here!
[06:42] <Hell-Razor> crimsun, shit...i already upgraded a bunch
[06:42] <laggerzero> but gentoo is too much of a bitch to install
[06:42] <Hell-Razor> crimsun, well everything
[06:42] <delltony> tizen, ssh?
[06:42] <crimsun> Hell-Razor: no, that's fine. Just don't reboot yet.
[06:42] <Hell-Razor> laggerzero, not really....
[06:42] <laggerzero> just takes along time Hell-Razor
[06:42] <laggerzero> if you do stage 1
[06:42] <Hell-Razor> crimsun, what do i need to do in a couple of hours? what commands?
[06:42] <wuwei23> Absenth: that's how I feel about ubuntu :)
[06:43] <Hell-Razor> laggerzero, like i said before...just as long as you dont have a shit computer
[06:43] <crimsun> Hell-Razor: update && dist-upgrade
[06:43] <Absenth> wuwei23, if it weren't for how bad software support is, I'd probibly be running OpenBSD everywhere.
[06:43] <wuwei23> Absenth: i'm directing my angst over the loss of menu editing at gnome 2.10 though :)
[06:43] <laggerzero> i might have to format again
[06:43] <helloyo> how do i get that automatic cd burning window that comes up to come up when it didn't work automatically?
[06:43] <laggerzero> get this install right
[06:43] <da_bon_bon> laggerzero: apt-get install linux-treeXXX
[06:43] <Hell-Razor> Absenth, i agree...fedora core i totalyl hate, gentoo is kind of a pain because of the install...but thats easy
[06:43] <Absenth> wuwei23, heh, get SCFE
[06:43] <laggerzero> i installed way to many apps at once
[06:43] <wuwei23> absenth: have you tried OpenDarwin? it was the nicest bsd install :)
[06:43] <Absenth> wuwei23, heh, get XCFE
[06:43] <laggerzero> i know da_bon_bon
[06:43] <laggerzero> i'm doing it now
[06:43] <wuwei23> absenth: i know, i know :)
[06:44] <Hell-Razor> crimsun: i think im goign to run that tomorrow monring when i get up so i can be sure everything is up
[06:44] <laggerzero> i tried to update gnome and install kde at the same time
[06:44] <wuwei23> Absenth: i just like the gnome look/feel :)
[06:44] <Absenth> openDarwin,  Hmm.....   admit I've never heard of it, however I've got openBSD, and Darwin on my powermac :)
[06:44] <delltony> crimsun, i updated the bug report on bugzilla so maybe some one can get a grasp of whats going on here thanks for your help
[06:44] <laggerzero> and install a bunch of other apps with it
[06:44] <Hell-Razor> laggerzero: in ubuntu or gentoo?
[06:44] <domron> i just managed to boot linux using knoppix + w32grub, since my laptop's floppy & cdrom is dead and i only have winxp working .. i'm wondering whether i can start installing debian now somehow ?
[06:44] <laggerzero> ubuntu
[06:44] <Hell-Razor> heh
[06:44] <Absenth> obsd running in virtual pc :)
[06:44] <laggerzero> haven't used gentoo in a year
[06:44] <helloyo> how do i get that burning window to pop up?
[06:44] <Hell-Razor> laggerzero, your missing out =)
[06:44] <da_bon_bon> Hell-Razor: ok, i dont wanna start any distro war
[06:45] <tizen> delltony: -X doesn't work it seems
[06:45] <laggerzero> i know. i need a dedicated system ot run gentoo though
[06:45] <laggerzero> no dual booting
[06:45] <tizen> I use XWin32 in windows
[06:45] <Hell-Razor> da_bon_bon, cause you know how good gentoo is
[06:45] <wuwei23> Absenth: Darwin is basically BSD, OpenDarwin is the OS offshoot of it...kinda like a slightly more groomed OpenBSD :)
[06:45] <da_bon_bon> Hell-Razor: ur net and comp are too good so that u can run geentoo. not same here
[06:45] <delltony> tizen, i have always used openssh-server on the host
[06:45] <Hell-Razor> laggerzero, yea the reason why i came to ubuntu mainly is becaue i didnt want to reinstall gentoo for a 32bit system...so im using this as a temp for about the next 6-8 months
[06:45] <delltony> and then ssh in
[06:46] <laggerzero> gentoo is a great OS. You'll learn everything you want to know about linux
[06:46] <tizen> delltony: i'm trying to figure it out
[06:46] <laggerzero> i haven't used 64bit gentoo before
[06:46] <Absenth> wuwei23, more groomed openbsd eh?  nice.  now as long as they can keep the nearly 8 years is it, with 1 remote root, in the default install, I'll give it a go :)
[06:46] <laggerzero> is the 64bit debian any good?
[06:46] <delltony> just install openssh-server on the host with apt-get install openssh-server
[06:46] <delltony> then on the client type ssh yourusername@hostname
[06:46] <Absenth> laggerzero, if you're looking for fun debian like things to play with, check out Progeny
[06:47] <tizen> delltony: Yeah, I'm not root overthere, it's my university account
[06:47] <Hell-Razor> da_bon_bon, laggerzero, my computer-programming teacher said this about gentoo as in relation to c++....gentoo as in c++ will let you shoot yourself in the foot, reload the pistol, and shoot yourself in the otherfoot, all this wile your house is burning down
[06:47] <tizen> I just wanna connect to it
[06:47] <Absenth> laggerzero, I only know Progeny exists because they are local, and half the local lug works there.
[06:47] <delltony> in that cause more than likely you would use putty
[06:47] <delltony> case even
[06:47] <delltony> at least thats how it was at my university
[06:47] <Absenth> delltony, putty is the bomb.
[06:47] <Hell-Razor> putty is a nice program
[06:48] <delltony> yeah i like putty
[06:48] <Absenth> and it runs on EVERYTHING
[06:48] <laggerzero> Absenth, does it use xorg?
[06:48] <laggerzero> what kernel?
[06:48] <Hell-Razor> heh almost everything
[06:48] <Hell-Razor> well ladies thanks for your help...im going to go watch some tv
[06:48] <tizen> delltony: I can connect to the GUI through putty?
[06:48] <delltony> oh your wanting to use the apps from their server?
[06:49] <Absenth> laggerzero, depends on which way you decide to go with progeny.  their claim to fame is "compartmentalized linux"  you choose what core packages you want, and they deal with the dependency hell.
[06:49] <Hell-Razor> tizen, i think you can just as long as you set up X for sharing...or just use winvnc
[06:49] <delltony> you would have to export the display
[06:49] <Absenth> laggerzero, in all reality it's a LSB 2.0 compatible debian sarge offshoot.
[06:49] <delltony> i have done that thru cygwin to a linux box but never linux to linux
[06:49] <delltony> what i did with cygwin was ssh into the box
[06:49] <delltony> and type export DISPLAY=:0
[06:49] <laggerzero> meh, i've gotta get some sleep. I'll reinstall ubuntu in the morning
[06:50] <delltony> and then load the application and it would display to the client
[06:50] <Absenth> laggerzero, Sleep is a totally inapporpriate substitute for Caffeine.
[06:50] <laggerzero> i've got BAWLS in the garage
[06:50] <Absenth> however sleep does affect one's spelling.
[06:50] <laggerzero> if you don't know what BAWLS are
[06:50] <laggerzero> http://www.bawls.com
[06:50] <Absenth> heh Bawls....  in the wicked cool blue glass bottles
[06:51] <Absenth> I just drink coffee......  Lots of it.....
[06:51] <wuwei23> caffiene is a pale substitute for amphetamines :)
[06:51] <wuwei23> which are, funnily enough, even worse for your spelling
[06:51] <Absenth> for my birthday this last november, my father in law got me a Melita 45 cup coffee Urn.
[06:51] <laggerzero> night all
[06:52] <Absenth> I just got my new naming scheme for the house.....  *cheers*
[06:52] <Absenth> everything was named after spices,  (ie oregano, garlic, ginger)  I'm going to change them all to be Coffee maker brands :)
[06:52] <Absenth> this box has to be mrcoffee.....
[06:53] <lookorez> how do I do multiple lines in crontab
[06:54] <crimsun> use \ to mark line continuation
[06:55] <hayden> anyone know a gui download manager that i can pause and resume dlaods
[06:55] <Absenth> Crimsun, so since I'm dedicated to hoary now, where should I check in the AM for news regarding the kernel problem?
[06:55] <azriel0184> is there a way to run tar so that it removes the files that it compresses?
[06:57] <crimsun> Absenth: the ubuntu-user mailing list archive, in here, and so on
[06:57] <Absenth> ok, so I guess that means in here, as I'm not on the mailing list.
[06:57] <geneo93> karsten:  this is crazy i cant belive this thing has used all that space heres mdk root   /dev/hdb1             7.5G 1019M  6.2G  15% /mnt/mdkrt2
[06:58] <karsten> geneo93: ...and?
[06:58] <Absenth> I was hoping there might be a news page I could hit up......  the fix will be an update / upgrade / dist-upgrade?
[06:58] <crimsun> Absenth: update && dist-upgrade
[06:58] <geneo93> karsten:  something is being reported wrong got to be
[06:59] <crimsun> geneo93: huh? what's wrong? Less than 1 GB used.
[06:59] <karsten> geneo93: Got any open, but deleted files?
[06:59] <geneo93> thats mandrake
[07:00] <Absenth> anyone a transgaming user>?
[07:00] <karsten> geneo93: lsof and du are your friends.  I'm busy with other stuff, RTFM or ask the channel.
[07:00] <geneo93> this is ubuntu /dev/sde1             4.6G  4.4G  6.8M 100% /
[07:00] <crimsun> geneo93: what all did you install?
[07:01] <geneo93> well this is hoary
[07:02] <geneo93> all i have extra is kde and no OO or any thing
[07:02] <crimsun> geneo93: OO.o 1.1 is installed by default...
[07:02] <geneo93> no its not anymore
[07:02] <crimsun> geneo93: and KDE takes up quite a bit, too
[07:03] <geneo93> well you seen mandrake root it has kde full and gnome also
[07:03] <pi> Does anybody know how i can get xorg to replace XFree in hoary?  I have done the dist upgrade, and it seems to have worked for everything but xorg
[07:03] <da_bon_bon> if i use gparted to copy my ubuntu partition from /dev/hda2 to /dev/hdc1 will i have any config problems after i change my fstab in hdc1 ?
[07:03] <azriel0184> how do i remount a fs as readonly?
[07:04] <crimsun> azriel0184: -o remount-ro
[07:04] <wuwei23> pi: have you done apt-get dist-upgrade?
[07:04] <pi> wuwei: yes, everything else seems to have upgraded properly
[07:04] <pi> i'm running gnome 2.10
[07:04] <pi> but still XFree
[07:04] <crimsun> pi: and xserver-xorg?
[07:04] <pi> crimsun: yep, it's installed
[07:05] <wuwei23> pi: hrm, weird
[07:05] <geneo93> crimsun:  do you have kde installed
[07:05] <da_bon_bon> pi: apt-get remove xserver-ffree86
[07:05] <da_bon_bon> pi: apt-get remove xserver-free86
[07:05] <crimsun> geneo93: yes, but I don't have a clean hoary system
[07:06] <pi> da_bon_bon: i was considering that, but will xorg slide in its place?  it seems like there should be some sort of additional configuration
[07:06] <pi> it doesn't seem natural that removing xfree will configure xorg
[07:06] <da_bon_bon> pi: it will slide all right :)
[07:06] <geneo93> ah well i have about 140mb in cache from apt is all
[07:06] <da_bon_bon> pi: do it from a console
[07:06] <da_bon_bon> pi: and then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:07] <pi> alrighty, i'll give it a shot...thanks
[07:07] <tingting> hi
[07:07] <da_bon_bon> pi: np
[07:10] <geneo93> crimsun:  seems like i had this problem with apt in mandrake awhile back it just blows things up and nothings really there
[07:10] <knucks> so whos been successful with getting their ipod workingon linux?
[07:12] <hayden> does anyone here use kismet?
[07:12] <mercurus> hayden: I have, in the past
[07:12] <Absenth> hayden I've used Kismac on the iBook, but not kismet.
[07:12] <mercurus> but not under Ubuntu
[07:12] <hayden> hmm
[07:13] <hayden> i have a problem, i just installed it and it says this when i try to run it
[07:13] <hayden> NOTICE: Disabling channel hopping, no enabled sources are able to change channel.
[07:13] <hayden> Source 0 (ciscosource): Enabling monitor mode for cisco source interface eth0 channel 6...
[07:13] <hayden> FATAL: Unable to open cisco control file '/proc/driver/aironet/eth0/Config' 2:No such file or directory
[07:13] <mercurus> yep
[07:13] <mercurus> have you edited kismet.conf for your device, module etc ?
[07:13] <hayden> no
[07:14] <hayden> where would i find that file
[07:14] <Absenth> alright I'm going to take a break,  hopefully the dev types will come up with a solution to the kernel / graphics problem by the morning :)
[07:14] <Absenth> later all, and thanks for the help.
[07:14] <crimsun> cya
[07:14] <mercurus> not sure ... I'd imagine /etc/kismet/kismet.conf ... but it could be anywhere ... depending on the package maintainer
[07:14] <crimsun> hayden: try tab-completion ;-)
[07:16] <helio7> hey all; i'm trying to figure out if there's a way to pass data in the buffer (Cntrl+C a gpg email file from web-based email service) through a commandline argument in the bash shell, like "gpg --decrypt easy-buffer-pseudonym"  can anyone help?  I'm not sure of what syntax to use in google to even start this query
[07:19] <helloyo> are segmentation faults exlusively due to RAM? because i just replaced my last faulty one
[07:19] <crimsun> helloyo: not necessarily
[07:19] <crimsun> helloyo: are they random?
[07:19] <helio7> does anyone ever run command-line on things in "Control-C Memory?" is this not called the buffer?
[07:19] <mercurus> what actually segfaulted ?
[07:20] <NobleArc> for some reason, when I rebooted, X stopped loading.  the nvidia module claims it that there are screens, but none are usable.   And, my keymap is all screwed up.  I`m using the module `nv` right now, but it`s making my screen go all weird. o_O  Any ideas (that was suppoesd to be a question mark)  I can fix the keymap later, but I need nvidia to work. o_o
[07:20] <helloyo> crimsun, well everything has been running fine, i ran a memory test 2 days ago, and its only been with one program
[07:20] <crimsun> helio7: "control c memory"?
[07:20] <helloyo> crimsun, and its always at the same point
[07:20] <crimsun> helio7: like the buffer into which you select something?
[07:20] <helio7> crimsun: what in windows is called the "clipboard" i.e. you select something and hit Cntrl C yeah
[07:20] <NobleArc> I`ve not done anything to change X`s settings, either.. so I`ve no idea why it doesn`t workk.
[07:21] <mercurus> crimsun: yes, which program ?
[07:21] <crimsun> mercurus: (you probably mean helio7)
[07:21] <mercurus> crimsun: I do :)
[07:21] <mercurus> helio7: yes, WHICH program ?
[07:21] <helio7> mercurus: out of my gmail i'm trying to copy a gpg text section
[07:22] <helio7> mercurus: to pass through the gpg --decrypt command
[07:22] <mercurus> bah, sorry I'm not functioning well today ...
[07:22] <mercurus> that was actually meant for helloyo
[07:22] <helio7> np
[07:22] <mercurus> helloyo: yes, WHICH program ?
[07:22] <helloyo> mercurus, gtk-gnutella
[07:22] <mercurus> and at what point does it segfault ?
[07:23] <helloyo> mercurus, when i double click on a file to downlaod
[07:23] <mercurus> are you using the standard Ubuntu package ? did you compile it yourself ?
[07:23] <helloyo> mercurus, no, its from debian-marillat
[07:23] <mercurus> have you tried running it through gdb
[07:23] <helio7> so crimsun is there a default way to manipulate data in the buffer into which you select something or no easy answer?
[07:23] <helloyo> mercurus, no, i've never done that
[07:23] <mercurus> helloyo: have you checked to see if there are any known issues with the version currently in debian-marrilat ?
[07:24] <mercurus> if there are, it is worth emailing the maintainer to politely request an updated package be built
[07:24] <helloyo> mercurus, its a pretty ugly program, so i wouldn't mind using something else, its more i was scared that my ram could be stuffed
[07:24] <mercurus> otherwise, grab the latest sources and build it yourself ...
[07:24] <Rotund> okay.  To do a netboot Ubuntu, I'd have to build a custom kernel, right?
[07:25] <Rotund> because NFS is a module and not built-in
[07:25] <crimsun> helio7: there's probably finagling with xcutsel or xclipboard
[07:25] <helio7> crimsun: ok thankyou
[07:26] <crimsun> helio7: yes, there are methods - KDE uses them, certainly, to monitor for URLs - but I don't know offhand
[07:26] <helloyo> so theres no easy way to edit the menu anymore?
[07:27] <crimsun> helloyo: .desktop
[07:27] <ewijaya> Hi guys, what's the kernel version for Ubuntu 4.10?
[07:27] <crimsun> ewijaya: 2.6.8.1+custom
[07:27] <demha> anyone here using xcompmgr ?!
[07:27] <hayden> would kismet work with a wireless card i got working with ndiswrapper?
[07:27] <ewijaya> I see ..what do you mean by +custom?
[07:27] <crimsun> hayden: sure
[07:28] <crimsun> ewijaya: see the Ubuntu patches in linux-source-2.6.8.1
[07:28] <ewijaya> I am new to Ubuntu..I planning to use it with my Laptop Dell5100
[07:28] <crimsun> ewijaya: try the Hoary Preview
[07:28] <ewijaya> is there be a problem hear before?
[07:29] <knucks> how do i  give rights to my regular user on a certain directory?
[07:29] <knucks> actually, a mounted drive
[07:29] <demha> knucks, need to use -o uid=UID
[07:30] <knucks> whats uid=uid?
[07:30] <crimsun> or pass it a umask parameter
[07:30] <demha> knucks, where UID is the user ID number in /etc/passwd
[07:30] <knucks> so like..
[07:30] <knucks> wait
[07:30] <demha> knucks, mount -o uid=number /dev/blah /mnt/blah
[07:30] <knucks> o ok
[07:30] <knucks> what if my username is knucks
[07:30] <crimsun> uid can also be the actual username
[07:30] <knucks> and lets say pass is..123
[07:30] <knucks> o o
[07:30] <knucks> k
[07:31] <demha> crimsun, thanks didn't know that :)
[07:31] <knucks> mount -o knucks=123 /dev/blah /mnt/blah ?
[07:31] <demha> _anyone_ here using composite at all ?
[07:31] <hayden> crimsun, in the kismet readme it says :  Q: Will Kismet work with Linuxant or NDISwrapper drivers?
[07:31] <hayden>     A: No.  These wrappers use the Windows drivers, which don't support rfmon.
[07:31] <hayden>        Until there are native drivers with rfmon support, Kismet won't work
[07:31] <hayden>        with these cards.
[07:32] <demha> knucks, mount -o uid=123 /dev/blah /mnt/blah ?
[07:32] <demha> knucks, or mount -o uid=knucks /dev/blah /mnt/blah ?
[07:32] <knucks> ok
[07:32] <crimsun> hayden: ok, the readme is more current than I am.
[07:32] <knucks> why is there both a /dev/blah AND a /mnt/blah?
[07:32] <viyyer> hey vIkSiT
[07:32] <crimsun> knucks: you have to mount the former onto the latter
[07:32] <hayden> ok
[07:32] <demha> knucks, that's the mount command ; you mount a DEVICE on a DIR
[07:33] <dhonn> im back
[07:33] <knucks> im trying to mount an ipod
[07:33] <demha> knucks, man mount
[07:33] <knucks> its on /dev/sda2
[07:33] <demha> knucks, man mount
[07:33] <viyyer> has anyone succeeded in install a USB modem ?
[07:33] <vIkSiT> hey viyyer
[07:34] <vIkSiT> viyyer, get to #l-i
[07:34] <vIkSiT> viyyer, around?
[07:35] <knucks> anyone here successfully get thier ipod working?
[07:36] <sri> sup
[07:36] <viyyer> vIkSiT, yeah.. I am at #li
[07:37] <knucks> how do i delete a dir
[07:39] <jason> knucks: rm -rf /path/name_of_dir
[07:40] <knucks> thx
[07:42] <azriel0184> root@matthew-linux:/home/matthew # mount /pub -o remount-ro
[07:42] <azriel0184> mount: /dev/sda4 already mounted or /pub busy
[07:42] <knucks> how do i make my /media/GRANT DOBSO point to /media/ipod ?
[07:42] <azriel0184> it is mounted
[07:42] <delltony> alright going on a bug i filed with alsa on bugzilla i did as recommened of /etc/init.d/alsa force-unload well considering the modprobe snd_intel8x0 doesn't work due to another bug how can i reload the modules that i uninstalled?
[07:42] <azriel0184> is there a way around that without umounting it?
[07:43] <jason> knucks: man ln
[07:43] <knucks> is it just
[07:43] <knucks> ln /media/GRANT\DOBSO /media/ipod ?
[07:44] <jason> ln -s
[07:45] <geneo93> i'm gone cyas
[07:46] <knucks> jason: i dont think that worked
[07:46] <knucks> that put the folder in /media/ipoid
[07:46] <jason> where do you want it?
[07:46] <knucks> i want /media/GRANT DOBSO to point to /media/ipod
[07:47] <knucks> i want a prog to think that grant dobso is really ipod
[07:47] <jason> ln -s /media/GRANT* /media/ipod
[07:48] <knucks> thx
[07:48] <knucks> no that did the same thing
[07:48] <knucks> unless its supposed to put a folder in the other folder
[07:49] <jason> /media/ipod would now be a symbolic link to media/GRANt
[07:49] <knucks> jason: well im looking at it..and it adds a symbolic link..but the link is on the grant folder IN ipod
[07:49] <dhonn> anyone: is ther a native port of firefox on gnome?
[07:49] <knucks> so the grantfolder has the symbolic link
[07:51] <jason> im not sure what you mean
[07:51] <knucks> it doesnt seem to be working
[07:51] <knucks> it makes a copy of grant and throws it into ipod and the symbolic link is on the grant folder in ipod
[07:52] <jason> it makes no copy when you cd /media/ipod you really cd into GRANT
[07:52] <jason> hence symbolic
[07:53] <jason> not sure what you are trying to do
[07:54] <knucks> my ipod mounts to /media/GRANT\ DOBSO
[07:54] <meister_> hi
[07:54] <knucks> i created /media/ipod
[07:54] <meister_> there is missing a splash screen .. where can i get it? (bootsplash or grubsplash..)
[07:54] <knucks> i need an symbolic link on /media/ipod so that gtkpod thinks that GRANT\DOBSO is on /media/ipod
[07:54] <steve_> has anyone had any issues with the latest hoary upgrades
[07:55] <mike_douglas> steve_: broke ABI compat for me
[07:55] <jason> so the opposite?
[07:55] <mike_douglas> I had to recompile ndiswrapper and force nvidia to load
[07:56] <steve_> mike_douglas, as soon as I installed the latest updates
[07:56] <meister_> steve_ while updating grub a splash is searched but not found..
[07:56] <knucks> i need /media/ipod to be a symbolic link to /media/Grant\ Dobso
[07:56] <steve_> mike_douglas, my compute would not boot into x11
[07:56] <steve_> I had to reinstall and go back to warty
[07:56] <steve_> I have an nvidia card
[07:56] <mike_douglas> steve_: nvidia card?
[07:56] <mike_douglas> lol
[07:56] <steve_> mike_douglas, yeah
[07:57] <mike_douglas> you have to load the nvidia module with: modprobe -f nvidia
[07:57] <demha> anyone here who's got a good nvidia gfx card then you should look into using xorg's composite extensions, v v v v v nice eye candy
[07:57] <jason> ln -s source destination
[07:57] <jason> man ln
[07:57] <steve_> mike_douglas, actually do nvidia-glx-config enable
[07:57] <knucks> ill try it
[07:57] <jason> im not sure whats happening
[07:58] <steve_> mike_douglas, I am not fooling around with hoary until they fix the latest f__k up with it
[07:58] <GammaRay> demha: tell me one thing... is the nautilus rubber band chop free even when selecting accross the whole desktop?
[07:58] <meister_> my hoary is broken now..
[07:58] <steve_> meister, I know the deal
[07:58] <steve_> meister, I think the X11 in it is broken
[07:58] <demha> GammaRay, rubber band ? chop free ?
[07:59] <mike_douglas> I heard that getupdates has to modified to work better with Ubuntu. Anyone have any info on that?
[07:59] <GammaRay> demha: that tinted thing you use to select icons
[07:59] <demha> GammaRay, it's fine when i select the whole desktop
[07:59] <meister_> steven_ no i have broken it while playing around with DirectFB
[07:59] <steve_> mike_douglas, when I did the updates, X11 seemed to be the part that is messed up in it
[07:59] <steve_> meister, I do beleive the latest X11 config file is broken
[08:00] <knucks> jason, its not working
[08:00] <knucks> its not making ipod the symbolic link
[08:00] <mike_douglas> steve_: so the nvidia module loads correctly?
[08:00] <delltony> can someone tell me how the heck to get my sound back i did the /etc/init.d/alsa force-unload going by what was told for me to do by a bug i submitted on bugzilla but the modprobe snd_intel8x0 didn't work so i need to get my sound back with the alsa modules that i unloaded. how do i do this thanks
[08:00] <steve_> mike_douglas in warty
[08:00] <meister_> steve_, no i ve installed yesterday (experimental netinstall..) and all worked fine.. i dont kno about that preview..
[08:00] <mike_douglas> steve_: I mean in hoary
[08:00] <steve_> mike_douglas in hoary initially until you do the updates
[08:00] <demha> GammaRay, did it do that on ur machine ?
[08:01] <steve_> meister, it worked until the updates are done in it
[08:01] <steve_> meister, I am sure it is the x11 config file
[08:02] <mike_douglas> steve_: so warty is not working either?
[08:02] <steve_> mike_douglas, naw warty works fine
[08:02] <mike_douglas> steve_: then it's the kernel issue
[08:02] <steve_> mike_douglas, I went to hoary cause of netapplet
[08:02] <meister_> steve_, i didnt notive anything...
[08:02] <GammaRay> demha: it's studdered on anything I'ved used it on
[08:03] <steve_> mike_douglas, I suppose it could be
[08:03] <mike_douglas> X11 can't start without a proper nvidia module
[08:03] <steve_> mike_douglas, You are probably right
[08:03] <demha> GammaRay, you need to put some extra options in the device section of ur xorg
[08:03] <demha> config
[08:03] <mike_douglas> steve_: it happened to me just two hours ago
[08:03] <steve_> mike_douglas, me too again
[08:04] <lookorez> anyone want to help me set up rails on my machine?
[08:04] <steve_> mike_douglas, I am not messing with hoary until they fix it
[08:04] <demha> GammaRay, need to enable "RenderAccel" and "AllowGLXWithComposite"
[08:04] <demha> in Device section
[08:04] <_d4vid> hi all
[08:09] <knucks> how do i create a dir
[08:09] <knucks> how do i create a dir
[08:10] <azriel0184> knucks, mkdir dirname
[08:10] <knucks> ahh ok
[08:10] <knucks> thanks
[08:10] <Xirdneh> hi there, i try to rip a cd with grimp to mp3 but theres no sound in the ripped files, also tryed ogg... any ideas? :s
[08:11] <azriel0184> Xirdneh, i use soundjuicer and it works beautifully
[08:11] <Xirdneh> azriel0184, ok let me try it :D
[08:12] <azriel0184> i havnt tried with mp3, i use ogg
[08:13] <Xirdneh> azriel0184, do you know how to improve the rippers speed?, is really slow!, it say like 200 minutes! damn
[08:14] <azriel0184> maybe your cd drive? it ussually takes me < 30mins/cd
[08:15] <Xirdneh> azriel0184, mmm dont think so is a brand new lap, CD+DVD rw 8X
[08:15] <Xirdneh> double layer
[08:15] <netmonk> hello! i play mp3 with xmms in ubuntu but when try Rhythmbox it tells me that I don't have a plugin to play mp3 files. can anyone please help me with that?
[08:15] <azriel0184> maybe the driver doesnt fully support it then?
[08:15] <dhonn> why is epiphany faster than firefox?
[08:15] <azriel0184> netmonk, rythbox != xmms, you probably need a seperate plugin for it.
[08:16] <Zotnix> netmonk, gst-register-0.8 in command line.
[08:16] <Zotnix> Log out and log back in.
[08:16] <Xirdneh> azriel0184, how can i know for shure taht?
[08:16] <Zotnix> Make sure you have the plugins installed.
[08:16] <azriel0184> if its the driver you would probably get slow read speeds on any cd in any app, as for testing it, no idea
[08:17] <bryan> what's the diff between metacity and gtk2?
[08:17] <dhonn> metacity renders the window frame
[08:17] <Zotnix> bryan, apples and oranges. :)
[08:17] <bryan> gtk does the controls?
[08:17] <dhonn> yea
[08:17] <bryan> k
[08:17] <Xirdneh> azriel0184, ok thnx, it was slow in grimp also, but a little faster, anyway let me get in to it
[08:18] <dhonn> you can use xfcewm instead of metacity
[08:18] <bryan> i just went crazy downloading stuff from customize.org and gnome-look :D
[08:18] <johnwl> I usually do that too
[08:18] <dhonn> but it wont be gnome integrated lol
[08:18] <GammaRay> dhonn: it's called xfwm4
[08:18] <dhonn> i forgot
[08:18] <dhonn> lol
[08:18] <bryan> i like how you can mix the window boarder and controls
[08:18] <bryan> very cool
[08:18] <dhonn> killall metacity && xfwm4
[08:19] <johnwl> strange thing is other than ubuntu-calendar I haven't tweaked my look and feel since installing Ubuntu
[08:19] <GammaRay> xfwm4 actually does work w/ the session manager
[08:19] <dhonn> yep
[08:19] <bryan> d3a theme and icons are sexy
[08:19] <dhonn> the gnome workspace switcher doesnt work though
[08:20] <netmonk> Zotnix, it tells me "Loaded 139 plugins with 276 features." but when i start Rhythmbox it still sais the same
[08:20] <dhonn> i wrote a few metacity themes that are on gnome look
[08:20] <crimsun> netmonk: dpkg -l gstreamer0.8-mad|grep ^ii
[08:20] <Zotnix> netmonk, did you log out and back in?
[08:20] <Zotnix> netmonk, and do that first
[08:21] <netmonk> ok, just a sec
[08:21] <netmonk> ;)
[08:21] <dhonn> i made a metacity patch to make window resizing fast
[08:22] <eb0x> I just upgraded from warty to hoary
[08:22] <bryan> congrats
[08:22] <eb0x> and when i try to open firefox
[08:22] <eb0x> it comes up with some error
[08:22] <mike_douglas> eb0x: what error?
[08:22] <eb0x> or soemthing, im not sure.
[08:22] <netmonk> Zotnix, it's still the same...
[08:22] <eb0x> when i try to open it
[08:23] <dhonn> File not found
[08:23] <eb0x> the window is titled Gecko then inside the window is title="&mainWindow.title;"----------------^
[08:23] <mike_douglas> eb0x: close all open firefox windows and try again
[08:23] <eb0x> I dont have any open
[08:24] <eb0x> Ah nevermind
[08:24] <eb0x> There it went finally
[08:24] <Zotnix> netmonk, do you have gststreamer0.8-mad installed?
[08:24] <bryan> nothing would play in rhythmbox untill i did apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins
[08:25] <speedy2782> I am installing a wireless network card using the ndiswrapper and am running into an issue with hardware not be present after loading the .inf file. Any ideas?
[08:25] <johnwl> the unofficial starter guide is a great resource for getting all your media stuff setup
[08:25] <netmonk> Zotnix, no
[08:26] <bryan> seems like everyone is having problems with their wireless cards
[08:26] <azriel0184> infact the starter guide says to dump rythmbox. my sentiments exactly
[08:26] <netmonk> i'm installing it now, Zotnix
[08:26] <azriel0184> i have my wireless card disabled at the moment.
[08:26] <Zotnix> azriel0184, it's... okay. Not the best but it's a start.
[08:26] <speedy2782> why is that?
[08:27] <netmonk> Zotnix, yes! it works now
[08:27] <netmonk> Zotnix, thank you very much!
[08:27] <azriel0184> no wireless network yet. so no need for it to be enabled and it mucks up the whole comp when it is enabled.
[08:27] <Xirdneh> azriel0184, any idea why when I ripped a song froma CD with sound juicer to an ogg file it just sound very bad??
[08:27] <Zotnix> netmonk, welcome.
[08:28] <speedy2782> There doesn't seem to be too much help in here does there?
[08:28] <azriel0184> Xirdneh, no. what sort of system are you trying to rip it on?
[08:28] <andros> There's plenty of help, speedy.
[08:29] <azriel0184> speedy2782, not for wireless lans, no.
[08:29] <speedy2782> what does sudo do when I put it infront of a command
[08:29] <Xirdneh> speedy2782, mybe because its not there, check in to it, i have installed mine wireless card with some truble but not hardware present
[08:29] <azriel0184> speedy2782, runs the command as root
[08:29] <andros> It executes it as root, speedy.
[08:29] <speedy2782> should that make a difference in this problem
[08:29] <Xirdneh> azriel0184, what you mean???, is from a music CD to an ogg file
[08:29] <bryan> very well could
[08:29] <bzbb> I get clicks and pops in playback from juk using arts
[08:30] <azriel0184> no, what sort of computer is it?
[08:30] <speedy2782> I am using a dell inspiron 1000
[08:30] <Xirdneh> azriel0184, Del Instipron 8600, warty...
[08:30] <speedy2782> si
[08:30] <azriel0184> which is :/ what processor/memory?
[08:31] <speedy2782> 2.2 celeron, 256mb
[08:31] <azriel0184> speedy2782, im talking to Xirdneh
[08:31] <speedy2782> darn
[08:31] <Xirdneh> azriel0184, sorry is Pentium M 1.4 512 Ram
[08:31] <bzbb> if I have it output to gstreamer, the problem goes away, except it can't play my ogg vorbis files
[08:31] <azriel0184> sorry, i havnt setup my wireless card, i have no idea how to help you
[08:31] <azriel0184> Xirdneh, hmmm... might be having troubles playing it back?
[08:31] <azriel0184> i dont know
[08:32] <Xirdneh> mmm... let me watch in to forums, thanx any way...
[08:32] <azriel0184> im on a 2.6GHz AMD, 128MB ram, and i dont have any troubles...
[08:32] <azriel0184> err 256MB ram... :P
[08:32] <Xirdneh> lol
[08:33] <Xirdneh> speedy2782, what wireless card you use?
[08:34] <andros> bzbb, have you installed gstreamer0.8-vorbis?
[08:36] <Burgundavia> azriel0184: i was wondering how that 128 was working for you
[08:36] <azriel0184> Burgundavia, heh :)
[08:36] <azriel0184> you could run ubuntu on 128, but you wouldnt use gnome.
[08:37] <jkd> I have a question about Ubuntu 5.04 Preview
[08:37] <jkd> HOw many PReviews are going to be released?
[08:37] <Burgundavia> azriel0184: I have run gnome on 64 and it works fine
[08:37] <Burgundavia> jkd: 1
[08:37] <azriel0184> well maybe you could though
[08:37] <Burgundavia> jkd: this is it before the final, I think
[08:37] <azriel0184> although my computer grumbles occasionly even with 256
[08:38] <Burgundavia> I have 1gig dual channel
[08:38] <Burgundavia> that works great
[08:38] <jkd> Burgundavia: thanks so I can get this install it and just keep upgrading right?
[08:38] <azriel0184> heh... i wish...
[08:38] <Burgundavia> jkd: my current machine is a warty preview that I have just kept upgrading
[08:38] <Burgundavia> jkd: found it pretty painless
[08:39] <jkd> lol
[08:39] <azriel0184> i might be "borrowing" an extra 256MB stick from another machine though...
[08:39] <Burgundavia> the devs work hard at making it that way
[08:39] <jkd> warty preview that must how long ?
[08:39] <Burgundavia> 6 months ago
[08:39] <azriel0184> Burgundavia, same here
[08:39] <jkd> but its not warty preview anymore :)
[08:39] <Burgundavia> nope
[08:39] <Burgundavia> now it is hoary preview
[08:39] <Burgundavia> latest crack of the day
[08:39] <jkd> just wondering because I broke my last ubuntu, it was the last Array I Think its 6 or 4 forgot
[08:40] <jkd> Burgundavia: cool I'll get Hoary Preview :)
[08:40] <jkd> well burn it
[08:40] <Burgundavia> jkd: I would just wait, they will fix it and the miracle of apt-get will get it
[08:40] <jkd> thanks ttyl
[08:40] <jkd> Burgundavia: ah
[08:40] <jkd> too late now =\
[08:41] <steve_> can someone tell me the sources for marillet
[08:41] <jkd> steve_: the sources screw up for me dunno why
[08:41] <Burgundavia> ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/
[08:41] <Burgundavia> testing
[08:41] <steve_> jkd really
[08:41] <Burgundavia> main
[08:41] <jkd> yes twice
[08:42] <steve_> Burgundavia: what are all the marillat sources
[08:42] <Burgundavia> the full line would be deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main
[08:42] <jkd> Burgundavia: i think it would bebest to direct him to the site with the sources
[08:43] <steve_> thanks
[08:43] <steve_> Burgundavia: the format ist not right in it somewhere. i got an error when i did the upate
[08:44] <speedy2782> I am in need of help with ndiswrapper
[08:44] <speedy2782> anyone in here know much
[08:44] <steve_> Burgundavia: it worked
[08:44] <Burgundavia> ok
[08:44] <Burgundavia> you should get an error about gpg stuff
[08:45] <zeppelin> I'm trying to find a MUD client, tried Tiny Fugue, Kmud, and GNOME Mud, none of them would configure.  Does anyone know of a MUD client that works with Ubuntu?
[08:45] <andros> Yeah, the marillat repository isn't signed.
[08:45] <krazeivan> sup
[08:45] <crimsun> andros: actually it is.
[08:46] <speedy2782> After I install .inf files my laptop still does not think that the hardware is present
[08:47] <speedy2782> I also can't configure the eth0 in network tools because my root password is incorrect
[08:47] <speedy2782> what can I do about that
[08:47] <azriel0184> speedy2782, use sudo to run root commands
[08:47] <Akira> yaaa!!!
[08:47] <azriel0184> or sudo -s -H
[08:47] <Akira> i got my dialup router working
[08:48] <speedy2782> when I open network tools, and click configure on the eth0...it prompts password. I enter my password and it says it is incorrect
[08:48] <speedy2782> what do I do about that
[08:49] <ompaul> speedy2782, that password is your own password
[08:49] <azriel0184> speedy2782, do you have an ubuntu live cd?
[08:49] <ompaul> ohh there is that
[08:49] <speedy2782> no live cd, and I do use my own password
[08:49] <azriel0184> you can hack ur passwd file
[08:49] <azriel0184> but not if you dont have a bootable cd
[08:49] <speedy2782> The thing I am curious about is why my password is incorrect
[08:49] <speedy2782> it is the same password I login with and everything
[08:50] <azriel0184> yes, it should be, unless you activated and changed the root password (not recommended)
[08:50] <speedy2782> I didn't change any password. I installed this today
[08:51] <azriel0184> try running sudo network-admin in a console
[08:54] <speedy2782> how can I add wlan0 to my iwconfig
[08:55] <robzulah> Is anyone familiar with Tiny Fugue?
[08:58] <Myrtti> hellou.
[08:59] <azriel0184> hi Myrtti
[09:00] <Myrtti> recent upgrading broke my nvidia drivers and x failed to load. I managed to fix the problem manually by changing "nvidia" to "nv" in xorg.conf, but I'm wondering is this a common problem and if and when is it going to be fixed, if so?
[09:00] <Myrtti> or is the problem located in kernel somewhere
[09:00] <Myrtti> I feel such a nerd speaking technobabble
[09:01] <Myrtti> I need nailpolish and my cross-stich books
[09:01] <azriel0184> i use nvidea as well, and no problems recently
[09:01] <Myrtti> warty or hoary?
[09:01] <azriel0184> but i use xfree86 on hoary
[09:01] <Myrtti> oh
[09:01] <Myrtti> that explains it
[09:01] <fabbione> it is something really weird going on in the kernel
[09:02] <fabbione> it's not xfree/xorg problem
[09:02] <fabbione> i can load nvidia on one machine with no problems
[09:02] <fabbione> other people can't
[09:02] <fabbione> with same kernel and same nvidia module
[09:02] <Myrtti> fabbione: so I'm not alone? that I figured must be the reason, since before problems occurred, I just updated kernel and such
[09:02] <fabbione> <- one of the kernel maintainer
[09:03] <Myrtti> :->
[09:03] <Myrtti> /me pats fabbione on the shoulders
[09:03] <Myrtti> I'm sure it's not your fault :->
[09:04] <azriel0184> Myrtti, stop sucking up ;)
[09:04] <daniels> fabbione: oh, so it's not a straight-out abi change?
[09:04] <andros> lol
[09:04] <fabbione> daniels: no
[09:04] <fabbione> daniels: i have -4 686 and i can load nvidia
[09:04] <fabbione> somebody else can't
[09:04] <fabbione> i have never seen this kind of ABI breakage before
[09:04] <Amaranth> rv100 is still buggy :/
[09:05] <Myrtti> fabbione: dmesg will tell me which kind of kernel I'm running, n'est pas?
[09:05] <viper12> ahhh...just the guy I was hoping would be around.  abi goes boom eh?
[09:05] <daniels> Amaranth: in what way?
[09:05] <daniels> fabbione: weird
[09:05] <tobias> i can't load nvidia with horay, xorg 686-smp
[09:05] <Amaranth> daniels: Remember the bzflag thing?
[09:05] <viper12> zul is the one that asked me to put the work around for nvidia in 7485 btw.
[09:05] <Amaranth> daniels: With t_vertex or whatever.
[09:05] <Myrtti> I'm running 2.6.10-4-386
[09:06] <Myrtti> hoary, xorg
[09:06] <Myrtti> nvidia not working
[09:06] <dhonn> how do i install nvidia drivers 6111 for hoary
[09:06] <azriel0184> im  using 2.6.10-4-k7 with hoary and xfree and nvidia work fine
[09:07] <dhonn> 6629 crashes when it inits the lcd desplay, works fine on a crt
[09:07] <Myrtti> on top of that, my Internet connection is teh suck at the momenthttp://stats.lanwan.fi/ficix/sumelisa.cgi
[09:07] <Hell-Razor>  hrm...its telling me to run apt=get update to fix something but its not fixing it
[09:08] <tobias> azriel0184: which driver version?
[09:08] <azriel0184> how can i check?
[09:09] <tobias> look into synaptic
[09:09] <dhonn> how do i install nvidia 6111 drivers on 2.6.10-4-686?
[09:09] <bryan> ATI is only supporting 2D for my onboard graphics right now, I'm pissed
[09:09] <crimsun> 9100 igp?
[09:09] <bryan> yup
[09:09] <azriel0184> 1.0.6629
[09:09] <crimsun> yeah, I remember referencing the ati page :-)
[09:09] <daniels> Amaranth: yeah
[09:10] <fabbione> nvidia should die
[09:10] <fabbione> with their binary crap
[09:10] <crimsun> yeah, the fun is that they just released a new version yesterday
[09:10] <bryan> i mean, i could play hl2 on windows @ 40FPS and now i can't even get 5fps on a 3D screensaver
[09:11] <Myrtti> myrtti@nanook:~ $ dmesg | grep nv
[09:11] <Myrtti> nvidia: disagrees about version of symbol struct_module
[09:11] <Amaranth> daniels: It's still bugged. :/ I thought you said you'd put the patch in for Ubuntu.
[09:11] <daniels> Amaranth: yeah, I did
[09:11] <Amaranth> err
[09:11] <fabbione> Myrtti: please read what i wrote above
[09:11] <Myrtti> fabbione: they should die with their binary crap. I start to feel same
[09:12] <dhonn> http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=46676  <- has the best patches for 6629
[09:12] <fabbione> since when the topic is locked?
[09:12] <Myrtti> since you don't have ops
[09:12] <Amaranth> daniels: It's still messed up unless I turn textures off.
[09:13] <crimsun> I believe it affects fglrx, too
[09:13] <viper12> uh, its more than nvidia......that update killed my netgear ath0 stuff as well........... (restricted modules perhaps?)
[09:13] <crimsun> there's also an alsa bug report on it
[09:13] <viper12> (wifi)
[09:13] <Myrtti> oh well. Since I can't play Tuxracer and the Internet connection is teh SUCK, I can go and do the dishes
[09:13] <Xirdneh> azriel0184, last question, i fixed the problem the only thing is that now sound juicer is between 1. something and 2.0X is that good?, or just ok?
[09:13] <viper12> and waxed 3d for the ati on the ol' laptop as well.
[09:14] <azriel0184> you mean the read  speed on your cd drive? 2x is almost snals pace...
[09:14] <azriel0184> i ussually get about 16x
[09:14] <dhonn> my lcd was messed up this morning cause ubuntu didnt set the right refresh rate.  it had fussy horizontal lines for about 2 hours after i put the refresh rate at 60hz
[09:15] <tobias> so nvidia is broken in hoary is a known bug, any tips to fix it?
[09:15] <viper12> crimsun, has the diagnosis changed since I was on earlier regarding borked restricted modules?
[09:15] <Xirdneh> azriel0184, really?, wooo is too slow well at least i dont get the .7x speed, lol, is the speed that sound juicer displays, cuz i can see DVds with no problem and listen to miusic
[09:15] <dhonn> tobias check the patches on nv forums?
[09:15] <crimsun> tobias: revert to previous linux-image and l-r-m
[09:16] <fabbione> tobias: downgrade the kernel
[09:16] <viper12> tobias, until they update the update, the only fix for nvidia is to change xorg.conf to the 'nv' driver line. (replacing "nvidia".
[09:16] <fabbione> no need to downgrade l-r-m
[09:16] <crimsun> fabbione: ok
[09:16] <Coily> does firestarter log events associated with my wan ip (as well as lan)?
[09:16] <fabbione> but i need to do some stuff this morning
[09:16] <fabbione> and i won't be able to work on it before a few hours
[09:17] <dhonn> i loaded ubuntu and nvidia with the fc3 kernel.  works great lol
[09:17] <Coily> anyone?
[09:17] <crimsun> Coily: if it has rules to, yes
[09:17] <tobias> viper12: thats what I already made. ok, will wait for a new kernel
[09:18] <Coily> crimsun, how would i edit these rules
[09:18] <crimsun> Coily: check the readme for firestarter
[09:18] <viper12> nods to tobias.....that's what I'm doing.  at least the display for 2d functions this way.
[09:19] <viper12> and fabbione, in the kernel chat earlier, lamont, zul  were thinking that the bonk was ABI killing 'restricted modules' as its definitely "more" than just nvidia. (paraphrasing here.)
[09:20] <crimsun> could someone experiencing the module breakage in 2.6.10-26 run sudo depmod -ae and paste a _very_ short snippet in #flood, please?
[09:20] <viper12> just attempted that crimsun........no output.
[09:21] <crimsun> viper12: so "struct_module" is the only error-related info in dmesg when you attempt to modprobe?
[09:22] <viper12> of course no output could be the typists stupid fingers misbehavin.  just sec.
[09:23] <mm> HI
[09:24] <dhonn> brb
[09:24] <mm> 
[09:25] <daniels> Amaranth: weird
[09:26] <daniels> Amaranth: could you please report a bug with your full Xorg.0.log at https://bugs.freedesktop.org/enter_bug.cgi?
[09:27] <ompaul> rv100 is still not doing what I expect?
[09:27] <viper12> crimsun, how much of the modules.dep do you want?
[09:29] <crimsun> viper12: hmm, for now, just the nvidia-related stuff
[09:30] <crimsun> there has to be a common denominator
[09:32] <Amaranth> daniels: Quick question: Would UseFBDev affect anything?
[09:32] <daniels> Amaranth: shouldn't do
[09:33] <viper12> the modules.dep file only shows 2 lines for nvidia related stuff.
[09:33] <sss_lr> hi all
[09:34] <viper12> /lib/modules/2.6.10-4-686/kernel/drivers/char/agp/nvidia-agp.ko: /lib/modules/2.6.10-4-686/kernel/drivers/char/agp
[09:34] <viper12> /lib/modules/2.6.10-4-686/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko:
[09:34] <viper12> and thats it.
[09:35] <defnop> hey I have a little problem :(. I got a latitude d810 yesterday, downloaded ubuntu 5.04 preview live CD. I boot up everything works until ubuntu tries to find the cdrom and h doesn't find a driver :(
[09:35] <marcin_ant> heh someone fucked menus in hoary
[09:36] <marcin_ant> I got every entry doubled in every "applications" menu
[09:37] <ompaul> why is it that the preview is not available on torrent?
[09:37] <Amaranth> daniels: I have no idea what you say for this bug report. :/
[09:38] <defnop> does anyone have a idea what i can do ? :-)
[09:38] <daniels> Amaranth: tell them that it hangs when you use glxgears, include /var/log/Xorg.0.log, /etc/xorg.conf, and the output of LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo
[09:39] <daniels> Amaranth: add daniel@freedesktop.org to the CC list if you like
[09:39] <Amaranth> daniels: It doesn't hang when I use glxgears
[09:39] <Amaranth> bzflag is unplayable
[09:39] <daniels> ah, tell them where it hangs, sorry
[09:39] <daniels> also add 'airlied' to the CC list
[09:41] <viper12> crimsun, is that what you were looking for?
[09:41] <blizah> "AOL has posted new terms of service for AIM, that include the right for AOL to use anything and everything you send through AIM in any way they see fit, without informing you"
[09:41] <blizah> thats fucked
[09:42] <daniels> d'oh
[09:42] <viper12> it ain't America on Ludes fer nothing blizah
[09:42] <Agrajag> use gaim encryption
[09:42] <blizah> yea i do...
[09:42] <Agrajag> the you don't have a problem
[09:42] <blizah> but my friends dont..
[09:42] <Amaranth> daniels: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2708
[09:42] <Agrajag> then make them
[09:42] <Agrajag> tell them about this
[09:42] <crimsun> viper12: forgive me for being dense, but where did you paste them?
[09:42] <blizah> yea def. will
[09:43] <blizah> can gaim encryption be loaded on deadaim?
[09:43] <viper12> just up a few lines................sorry.......wasn't much there.
[09:43] <blizah> a lot of my friends use deadaim
[09:43] <viper12> points above a bit.
[09:43] <Agrajag> uh, no
[09:43] <Amaranth> blizah: Refuse to talk on AIM with them.
[09:43] <blizah> hehe
[09:43] <Agrajag> talk to them on IRC
[09:43] <crimsun> viper12: oh, I see. Actually I was referring to output from dmesg when you attempt to modprobe nvidia
[09:43] <Agrajag> set up your own IRC server
[09:43] <viper12> of course, I may be looking at something different than what you wanted....but depmod -ae writes to the modules.dep file.........so just did a find on the nvidia keywords.
[09:43] <blizah> (wishes they knew how to use irc)
[09:44] <blizah> time to stop using aim :)
[09:44] <Akira> hmm, anyone know anything about playing .ogm files?
[09:44] <crimsun> viper12: sorry if I was unclear
[09:44] <crimsun> Akira: try mplayer
[09:44] <Agrajag> Akira: they should play just fine in xine or mplayer or vlc or whatever
[09:44] <Akira> i am using Mplayer
[09:44] <Akira> no luck
[09:44] <Akira> it gives me a no stream error
[09:45] <viper12> tis okay crimsun.........command modprobe nvidia gives a fatal.....copying now.
[09:45] <viper12> FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.10-4-686/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko): Invalid module format
[09:45] <viper12> that's it.
[09:45] <Akira> ill try xine
[09:45] <crimsun> viper12: nothing else in dmesg or tail /var/log/syslog?
[09:45] <mike_douglas> Could I have one medium range (1.2Ghz, 256mb ram, 10/100 eth. card) server provide DHCP, Ipmasq and TFTP for 30 clients with acceptable performance?
[09:45] <viper12> jes sec crimsun.
[09:46] <crimsun> I have what Myrtti pasted, but that's kinda slim
[09:46] <pc03> is there a way to integrate xine in firefox?
[09:46] <Akira> again no luck, wait now its playing
[09:46] <Akira> wtf
[09:46] <Akira> i hate xine
[09:47] <Akira> nice its not dubbed
[09:47] <andros> pc03: Try gxine
[09:47] <viper12> crimsun,  here is the syslog entry:
[09:47] <viper12> Mar 12 01:46:48 localhost kernel: nvidia: disagrees about version of symbol struct_module
[09:48] <mike_douglas> viper12: modprobe -f nvidia
[09:48] <viper12> jes sec.
[09:48] <mike_douglas> ABI is broken in the latest hoary kernel
[09:48] <mike_douglas> someone should add this to the title, it's come up recently in the last little while
[09:49] <kagou> hi
[09:49] <mike_douglas> or atleast until a fix is submitted
[09:49] <viper12> understood........now why did you want the modprobe -f nvidia mike_douglas
[09:49] <viper12> ?
[09:50] <mike_douglas> it forces the kernel to accept the nvidia module
[09:50] <crimsun> mike_douglas: it's uncertain whether it's pure ABI or something unrelated
[09:50] <viper12> okay...but I'm not trying to 'work-around' the problem.  was giving input so that these guys working the kernel issues had some data.
[09:51] <crimsun> rebooting to test
[09:51] <Akira> hey anyone used freesco before?
[09:51] <pc03> thanks andros
[09:51] <scizzo> morning
[09:51] <viper12> its not just nvidia that's having problems.  ati has lost 3d capability.  the atheros chip (at least on the netgear wg311 wifi here is also bonked mike_douglas
[09:51] <mike_douglas> crimsun: happens with the ndiswrapper module too, until I rebuilt it
[09:52] <viper12> afk brb
[09:53] <azriel0184> viper12, i have an atheros chipset wirless card and its mucked up as well
[09:53] <mike_douglas> which is why I have to think it's an ABI issue
[09:54] <pc03> will we see a preferred software list in hoary? i mean so that newbies dont have to ask what to install for mp3, video etc
[09:55] <pc03> community knowledge also is sharing what works best (in general).. or not?
[09:56] <mike_douglas> pc03: preferred software list?
[09:56] <viper12> back.
[09:56] <viper12> and nods to azriel0184
[09:56] <azriel0184> i have a dlink swl-g520
[09:56] <azriel0184> *dwl
[09:57] <viper12> bless you az, you have more courage than I. (personal hatred for anything d-link. ;)  )
[09:57] <azriel0184> heh
[09:57] <pc03> mike_douglas: yes, programs that we know work out of the box
[09:57] <azriel0184> i wanted to get a linsys one, but iv been waiting for a month for it, so i just got this one instead
[09:58] <mike_douglas> I thought that was what the packages actually included on the CD were for :P
[09:58] <viper12> mike_douglas,  earlier in the afternoon (MST), the guys in the kernel chat were positive it was ABI modules problem.
[09:58] <viper12> as its hitting the restricted modules.
[09:58] <pc03> ubuntu comes w/o mp3 and video and many people ask what to use, where to start.. could not we recommend some programs for mp3, for video, for ....
[09:58] <mike_douglas> pc03: no, mp3 is patented
[09:59] <mike_douglas> Ubuntu provides great Ogg Vorbis support though
[09:59] <mike_douglas> viper12: man did I have a surprise when I rebooted :P
[09:59] <viper12> how so mike?
[10:00] <pc03> mike_douglas: thats all ok and understood, but WHO uses ogg anyway.. everything is mp3, mpg..
[10:00] <viper12> the fix is to get the gstreamer.mad file and a few restricted libraries which allow the ubuntu apps to use dvd/mpe and all that.
[10:00] <azriel0184> pc03, me?
[10:00] <mike_douglas> I have 20GB in Ogg Vorbis
[10:00] <viper12> lots of people use ogg as its the better format.
[10:00] <viper12> of course betamax was the better format too....................... ;)
[10:00] <pc03> azriel0184: dont you have limitations getting audio and video from OTHER people
[10:01] <andros> I have a lot of my collection in ogg vorbis.
[10:01] <azriel0184> no, i use mp3 as well, but i rip all my cds into ogg
[10:01] <pc03> viper12: that is a bit what i mean
[10:01] <mike_douglas> viper12: video and wifi not working (I didn't have a spare CAT-5 cable). Luckily I had ndiswrapper sources lying around to rebuild.
[10:01] <viper12> pc03, it is REALLY simple to get the restricted modules from synaptic to get all the normal stuff working though.  The ubuntu site has great how-to's on how to get all of that stuff.
[10:01] <pc03> it might be better, more open, no licensing problems, but people want mp3, mpeg players
[10:02] <mike_douglas> pc03: look what happened with gif, no way should ubuntu open itself up for another one of those
[10:02] <viper12> yep mike....that was my lil' "surprise" after updating hoary this afternoon. lol
[10:02] <pc03> i understand that it cant be included in ubuntu out of the box, but could not we offer some easy newbie sollution
[10:02] <viper12> its THERE pc03....ubuntu's website. (howto sections.)
[10:03] <mike_douglas> pc03: only way to ever break the MP3 stronghold is to push alernatives
[10:03] <pc03> i know where to get it, bt can you ask a newbie to get down into reading howtos after ubuntu installation?
[10:03] <viper12> anyone installing a linux system isn't exactly gonna be a complete 'noob' anyway...and if they are, they'll be hitting the website of the distro they choose for help.
[10:04] <viper12> OR.........they can shell out $$$ for xandros and have that out of box.
[10:04] <azriel0184> viper12, if they are smart anyway....
[10:05] <mike_douglas> pc03: Ubuntu's philosophy states that their first goal is to create a Free and open source operating system, not convert Windows users
[10:05] <pc03> my point is, within the limitations that do exist, is not there an easier way?
[10:05] <viper12> az, do you know ANY noob installing linux? seriously?  a real 'noob' gets one of US to do it for em'........and WE read the howtos.........er......well some of us.  ;)
[10:05] <defnop> does anybody have a few minutes to help me with the cdrom problem of my dell d810 ?
[10:05] <pc03> viper12: you might have a point here..
[10:06] <azriel0184> viper12, lol
[10:06] <viper12> pc03, the 'easier way' is usually full of spyware/adware/viruses.................and thats why 95% of the desktop users in the woild......use wintendo.
[10:06] <mike_douglas> defnop: speak and ye shall be heard
[10:06] <azriel0184> viper12, you mean a noob pays one of us to install it for them dont you? ;)
[10:07] <pc03> mike_douglas: hm.. but sometimes i see that we make our lives so dificult unnecessarily
[10:07] <viper12> one could only wish az.  one could hope. but its always a relative and how do you charge grandma for installation?  ;)
[10:07] <defnop> I downloaded ubuntu 5.04 preview live CD. I boot up everything works until ubuntu tries to find the cdrom and h doesn't find a driver :(
[10:08] <azriel0184> hehe.... true. but friends dont come under that kind of 'protection' do they? ;)
[10:08] <viper12> pc03, as LONG as mp3, dvd and a few other file types have patents, restrictions an such, a distro HAS to stay away from the (default) to avoid litigation from you know hwo.
[10:08] <mike_douglas> defnop: reburn it at a lower speed
[10:08] <mike_douglas> pc03: talk to the US/EU government, not us
[10:08] <defnop> it was @ 4 speed :)
[10:09] <mike_douglas> s/EU/Banana Republic
[10:09] <mike_douglas> :P
[10:09] <defnop> but al burn it @ 1x :)
[10:09] <viper12> def.......I usually do cd burns at 1 or 2.  (I've seen the probs that you're having at higher speeds.  annoying, but true.
[10:09] <viper12> most of the time it boils down to crappy cds.
[10:10] <azriel0184> viper12, i ussually burn at 16x and iv never had troubles... but i get good quality cds :)
[10:10] <mike_douglas> it really depends on the burner
[10:10] <defnop> okay :) thx   i was a bit woried i because a asked the same question here 10 minutes ago :)
[10:10] <viper12> lol.........the buck-o-chunk is what I usually grab.......and burn a 2x.  heh heh
[10:11] <viper12> now for DVD burns.........I bite the bullet and verbatim, TDK and always just cd -r's.
[10:11] <azriel0184> i get the big spindles of cds as well
[10:12] <viper12> and whatever ya do.........if someone offers you 80,000 blank Phillips dvds of ANY variety...........run like a mo-fo. absolute junk.
[10:12] <azriel0184> hehe viper12
[10:12] <viper12> :D
[10:12] <mike_douglas> viper12: if only you had told me yesterday :(
[10:12] <defnop> uhm my dad's pc works just fine with that cd ( burned @ 4x ) :) anyway thx for the info i'm gonna burn it @ 1x
[10:12] <viper12> mike.........get receipt, get car.........return and exchange. ;)
[10:13] <viper12> if the cd is working on another pc okay.......tis possible you need to clean the cd that's havin' issues. (dust on the read head?)
[10:13] <viper12> er.....cdplayer)
[10:14] <mike_douglas> defnop: hmm, could you give us the percise error then?
[10:14] <atp1234> Hello, I am using Ubuntu for first time. I have Ubuntu Version 4.10 (intel x86 edition). I am installing it on a Toshiba M30X Laptop. although, while installing it hangs on 98% of cardmanager service
[10:14] <defnop> uhm i just got the laptop :)
[10:14] <pc03> mike_douglas: do you smoke? nicotine is REALLY bad for your optical drives (and for u 8-)
[10:14] <atp1234> Can anyone tell me what should I do to get around this problem?
[10:15] <mike_douglas> pc03: no, thats a unique reason :P
[10:15] <defnop> wel he boots fine, i select the language, and so on and then ubuntu is searching for the right cd driver but he doesn't find any
[10:15] <mike_douglas> "Won't somebody think of the disc read errors?"
[10:15] <viper12> atp1234,  when you start the installation, are you just hitting enter and letting it run 'default'??? or are you using one of the boot settings for different machines?
[10:16] <atp1234> just hittng enter, I do no specify any boot time parameters
[10:17] <viper12> okay........you need to go through the parameters.  some machines have issues with the default 'load'.
[10:17] <viper12> trying to remember off the top of my head, but acpi is one issue that can cause that type of laptop to have probs.
[10:18] <atp1234> viper12, I have suspicion, it is pcmcia. But I do need pcmcia right?
[10:18] <mike_douglas> atp1234: "I found that the 0x800-0x8ff IO port range being probed by the pcmcia support was causing the machine to hang."
[10:18] <atp1234> Oh, so I should try with acpi off?
[10:18] <viper12> zactly atp.
[10:18] <mike_douglas> thats from a diary of a guy with your laptop
[10:19] <viper12> another thing is to check in the ubuntu forums and search for your laptop's brand/model........you may find some good info about the install.
[10:19] <atp1234> mike_douglas, thanks for the info, how do I block this memory range while installing itself?
[10:19] <atp1234> viper12, I will do that :)
[10:22] <mike_douglas> atp1234: it's defined in /etc/pcmcia/config.opts, you should probably just disable PCMCIA for the install, and we can help you get it working later
[10:23] <atp1234> mike_douglas. Oh I thought for laptop pcmcia service is must even while installing
[10:23] <viper12> nope....unless you're using the pcmcia services for something.
[10:23] <atp1234> mike_douglas, viper12, thank you for help. I am logging off to try it immediately.
[10:24] <viper12> gl
[10:24] <atp1234> :)
[10:24] <mike_douglas> bah, stupid PCMCIA
[10:25] <viper12> stupid PCMCIA........with certain STUPID laptops ya mean.  ;)  heh heh..........default install on my compaq was problem free. heh heh
[10:26] <Xirdneh> hi there, I have a Dell Inspiron 8600 with all the Nvidia drivers installed correctly... but when i close the lid the system just froze up!, i have done some googleing but found nothing that can help me, any ideas?
[10:26] <mike_douglas> Xirdneh: ctrl-alt-F7
[10:26] <viper12> sounds like a suspend problem.
[10:27] <Xirdneh> mike_douglas, nothing happens, does this should just fix the problem?
[10:27] <amiroff> Hello, how can we users provide some feedback about Hoary ? I had some experiences and I'd liekt o share them with devs
[10:27] <mike_douglas> sometimes the screen goes to a terminal
[10:27] <mike_douglas> guess not it your case though
[10:27] <viper12> what happens with ctrl-alt-f1?  do you get a terminal?
[10:29] <viper12> does the inspiron set the 'suspend' features in bios?  If so, you might look there to change that setting. (just wingin' it here.)
[10:29] <mike_douglas> well I'm gonna call it a night (or a morning?)
[10:29] <mike_douglas> cya
[10:29] <Xirdneh> viper12, yes i go to terminal, how can i chek the bios configuration without rebooting?
[10:30] <helloyo> how do i delete all my evolution home files? .evolution doesn't work
[10:30] <scizzo> helloyo: ummm?
[10:30] <mike_douglas> Xirdneh: and ctrl-alt-F7 isn't getting you back to your GUI? Never heard of closing the laptop killing X :P
[10:30] <viper12> usually........that's the way to check Xirdneh...........starting the laptop up........go into bios and check settings.  however.........if you can get a terminal with ct-alt-f1, do a ct-alt-f7 and see if it comes back up
[10:30] <amiroff> How do I install ttfcorefonts on Hoary ? I cannot find them in Universe repo ..
[10:30] <scizzo> helloyo: you mean everything?
[10:31] <scizzo> helloyo: the mailboxes and so on is listed in ~/evolution
[10:31] <Xirdneh> yes i just done it, i think the problem is not the screen going in to blank or something, the problem is that ubuntu doesnt know what to do when the lid is closed....
[10:31] <scizzo> http://resolute.ucsd.edu/diwaker/articles/linux-dell-8600.html
[10:31] <rubenv> this might be stupid
[10:31] <scizzo> I am not sure if this will help
[10:31] <helloyo> scizzo, yep, everything, all my calendars, everything
[10:32] <rubenv> but does anybody know what the terminal server client applet does?
[10:32] <crimsun> amiroff: that's because they're in multiverse: msttcorefonts
[10:32] <viper12> so Xirdneh by doing the f7 bit, ubuntu came back?
[10:32] <scizzo> but that is one way to do look at how others have done to get a Dell Inspiron 8600 working with Linux
[10:32] <Xirdneh> yes viper12, with no problem :p
[10:32] <viper12> :D
[10:32] <rubenv> problem with i8600?
[10:32] <scizzo> helloyo: then you should look at ~/evolution
[10:32] <rubenv> i have an i8600
[10:32] <rubenv> 2 even
[10:32] <rubenv> my sister has one too
[10:33] <helloyo> scizzo, i've deleted my whole .evolution folder, but there is no evolution one
[10:33] <scizzo> rubenv: Xirdneh has the problems with it
[10:33] <scizzo> rubenv: closing lid makes it freeze
[10:33] <scizzo> helloyo: .evolution?
[10:33] <Xirdneh> yeap... dont know what to do :s
[10:33] <rubenv> warty?
[10:33] <Xirdneh> yes rubenv warty
[10:33] <wim> quit
[10:33] <viper12> its not actually 'freezing' scizzo............its just not coming back up until going to another terminal, and then back.
[10:33] <scizzo> helloyo: I said ~/evolution without a dot
[10:33] <rubenv> add nolapic to the kopt line in the grub conf
[10:33] <rubenv> or upgrade to hoary
[10:33] <helloyo> scizzo, yeah, i've realised, but i doesn't exist
[10:33] <rubenv> it's a bug with dell bioses
[10:34] <goldfish> i8600 RULES!
[10:34] <amiroff> crimsun, I see, can I turn on multiverse repos with synaptic?
[10:34] <rubenv> there's a bug about it somewhere, I reported it :-)
[10:34] <crimsun> amiroff: yes
[10:34] <viper12> smoke time. afk a few.
[10:34] <md-away> scizzo: ~/evolution - wasn't that only for the 1.* series?
[10:34] <Dreamer3> ok, how is hoary?
[10:34] <scizzo> md-away: maybe... :PO
[10:34] <Xirdneh> so with the nolapic it will work fine?
[10:35] <amiroff> crimsun, I cannot see any multiverse repos, only universe there :(
[10:35] <scizzo> :(
[10:35] <scizzo> md-away: sorry
[10:35] <amiroff> crimsun, maybe you could paste the needed line here for hoary please..
[10:35] <scizzo> yes....hmm....
[10:35] <scizzo> helloyo: what happens when you start it again?
[10:35] <crimsun> amiroff: just add "multiverse" to the end of the line containing "universe" if you can't find it
[10:36] <crimsun> Dreamer3: bored, eh? Want fun & excitement(TM)?
[10:36] <helloyo> scizzo, everything is the same as before
[10:36] <Dreamer3> crimsun: i dunno :)
[10:36] <amiroff> crimsun, will try now, thanks a lot!
[10:36] <crimsun> amiroff: np
[10:36] <scizzo> md-away: that explains a lot for me now...hehe...thanks
[10:37] <scizzo> helloyo: you do exit the program before deleting the archives right?
[10:37] <helloyo> scizzo, yeah, i do this stuff occasionally, thats why i'm confused by this
[10:37] <scizzo> helloyo: then I guesss I have no idea... :P
[10:37] <scizzo> helloyo: sorry
[10:38] <scizzo> time to test hoary on a server for once
[10:38] <helloyo> scizzo, thanks anyway
[10:38] <viper12> back.......was just thinking.....for all the issues I've seen with linux.......its still a breeze compared to my days installing os/2 2.1 on laptops.  heh heh
[10:40] <njs12345> Rhythmbox hangs when I try to play music, and emits a popping noise
[10:40] <njs12345> anyone know how to fix this?
[10:40] <viper12> njs..what type of music?
[10:40] <viper12> and are you on the 4.10 warty 'release' or the hoary preview?
[10:40] <njs12345> I only have mp3 and flac, and it hangs on both of them
[10:40] <njs12345> hoary
[10:40] <viper12> you need to get the gstreamer.mad files.
[10:40] <viper12> (restricted repository
[10:41] <md-away> njs12345: this might be a polypaudio issue. Install esound
[10:41] <crimsun> njs12345: do any other sound applications function normally?
[10:41] <njs12345> yup, gst-launch works perfectly
[10:41] <crimsun> with...mp3? flac?
[10:42] <njs12345> and gst-launch would pretty much emulate how rhythmbox plays the music, right? because rhythmbox uses gstreamer
[10:42] <scizzo> nice...seems that nautilus-burner does not register that there is a empty disk in the CDrom
[10:42] <crimsun> are you using spider with gst-launch?
[10:42] <njs12345> no.. how can I do that?
[10:42] <ICU> what is the preffered gnome2 tool to tag mp3s?
[10:42] <crimsun> njs12345: instead of specifying a decoder on the gst-launch pipeline, just use spider
[10:42] <njs12345> ah
[10:42] <njs12345> ok
[10:42] <crimsun> njs12345: see gst-launch0.8
[10:43] <njs12345> so something like
[10:43] <njs12345> gst-launch-0.8 filesrc location="Nirvana - 01 - You Know You're Right.mp3" ! spider ! esdsink
[10:43] <crimsun> njs12345: yep
[10:44] <njs12345> doesn't work with mp3s
[10:44] <crimsun> ok, and flacs?
[10:44] <njs12345> works fine with them
[10:44] <crimsun> dpkg
[10:44] <crimsun> err
[10:44] <bwb> hey what is required for mp3 playback in kde?
[10:44] <crimsun> dpkg -l gstreamer0.8-mad|grep ^ii
[10:44] <bwb> ie kde equivilant of gstreamer0.8-mad
[10:44] <viper12> lol........didn't I say that up there? :/
[10:45] <njs12345> ii  gstreamer0.8-m 0.8.8-0ubuntu1 MAD MPEG audio decoder plugin for GStreamer
[10:45] <devazion> Howdy, since the nvidia package is broken ;) Should the regular install from nvidia.com be used to get it working or just stick around and wait for new package that aint broken? :)
[10:45] <crimsun> njs12345: does mpg321 work?
[10:46] <viper12> devaz, the problem isn't JUST nvidia.  there's more to it. (kernel updates from today are borked.)
[10:46] <bwb> anyone?
[10:46] <guerby_away> devazion, BTW is it xfree or xorg that will ship with hoary?
[10:46] <viper12> xorg
[10:46] <md-away> bwb: KDE uses gstreamer now (or atleast amarok does)
[10:46] <crimsun> bwb: using what KDE app?
[10:47] <kaouete> it does not use, but it can use it
[10:47] <guerby_away> viper12, ok thanks
[10:47] <njs12345> crimsun: I don't think I have it installed
[10:47] <bwb> md-away
[10:47] <bwb> whoops
[10:47] <bwb> md-away: ahh
[10:47] <bwb> crimsun: juk
[10:47] <crimsun> njs12345: sudo apt-get install mpg321
[10:47] <devazion> viper12: ough that sounds bad :) so devs are working on new kernel relase right? :)
[10:47] <viper12> as we speak devazion
[10:47] <bwb> tho wow it looks like amarok has improved quite a bit
[10:47] <viper12> or....hopefully as we speak. heh heh
[10:47] <devazion> viper12: thanks a lot for the information! :)
[10:47] <viper12> np
[10:48] <amiroff> Can someone tell my how to turn Compositing Manager on please?
[10:48] <njs12345> crimsun: yup, works..
[10:49] <md-away> amiroff: killall xcompmgr
[10:49] <md-away> oh turn on :P
[10:49] <crimsun> njs12345: so yours is a gstreamer issue
[10:49] <md-away> look for a howto at http://ubuntu.com/wiki/
[10:49] <njs12345> the thing I don't understand is why it doesn't play mp3s correctly..
[10:49] <njs12345> *flacs
[10:49] <crimsun> njs12345: sudo apt-get --reinstall install gstreamer0.8-mad
[10:50] <amiroff> md-away, is that link for me?
[10:50] <md-away> ya
[10:51] <njs12345> crimsun: gst-register-0.8 seems to let spider work with mp3s :)
[10:51] <njs12345> and plus it makes rhythmbox work
[10:51] <njs12345> yay!
[10:51] <crimsun> njs12345: good.
[10:51] <bwb> crap when did amarok become so good?
[10:52] <md-away> amiroff: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=5520 - might help you
[10:53] <amiroff> md-away, great, but searching xcompmgr, composite, manager returns zero results in documentation :(
[10:54] <md-away> amiroff: ya, sorry thought they had a howto about it. That last link will help you though
[10:54] <amiroff> md-away, yes it did, thanks. seemslike xcompmgr is still very buggy
[10:54] <scizzo> hmmm...why can't I burn anything now
[10:54] <njs12345> amiroff: off course it is, it's pre-beta software ;)
[10:56] <scizzo> ummm...something seems to be really wrong with nautilus-burner
[10:57] <amiroff> scizzo, I just burned an iso, installed hoary  mins. ago
[10:57] <amiroff> scizzo, nautilus burner worked fine here
[10:57] <scizzo> amiroff: I am trying to right click and "Write to disc" and all it tells me is to put a blank disk in
[10:58] <scizzo> amiroff: even though I have tried 3 different blank CDs
[10:58] <md-away> bwb: wow, amarok does look quite nice :P I might have to give Kubuntu a try
[10:58] <amiroff> scizzo, really strange, what does a shortcut on desktop say for CDrom?
[10:58] <pc03> someone see this http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/
[10:58] <amiroff> md-away, really, amarok is nice
[10:58] <viper12> amarok should work in gnome with a few kde libs as well. (it isn't dependent on the entire kde system to work.)
[10:59] <scizzo> CD-ROM Disc
[10:59] <scizzo> Type: mapp
[10:59] <scizzo> Contents: nothing
[10:59] <scizzo> Location: on the desktop
[10:59] <scizzo> Volume: unknown
[10:59] <scizzo> Free space: unknown
[10:59] <scizzo> Modified: unknown
[10:59] <amiroff> scizzo, when I inserted a blank CD here, it said something like Blank CD
[10:59] <viper12> is the disc in upside down?  ---having done that a few times.
[11:00] <scizzo> viper12: no
[11:00] <amiroff> maybe CD burner does not get recognized?
[11:00] <viper12> better to ask than not. :D
[11:00] <azriel0184> viper12, how did yyou do that? :/
[11:00] <viper12> buck-o-chunk discs look almost the same on both sides.
[11:00] <azriel0184> scizzo, apt-get install nautilus-burner
[11:00] <azriel0184> viper12, so write on one side?
[11:01] <topyli> scizzo: i had that once. the problem then was that hal (the user) had been suddenly removed from a couple of groups
[11:01] <elephantum> hi! is it possible to upgrade warty to hoary with "hoary live cd preview" ?
[11:01] <scizzo> azriel0184: newest version of that
[11:01] <md-away> elephantum: not to my knowledge
[11:01] <bwb> md-away: yah I am
[11:01] <scizzo> topyli: hmmm...might need to check that
[11:02] <md-away> just change the repos in /etc/apt/sources.list from warty to hoary and update
[11:02] <bwb> md-away: btw changing fonts and enabling anti-aliasing made kde look 10000x better
[11:02] <bwb> md-away: as good as font rendering and sorta general appearance for the most part
[11:02] <bwb> (err as good as gnome*)
[11:02] <elephantum> md-away: that's a lot of traffic. but thanks
[11:02] <md-away> bwb: that was always my biggest gripe about KDE was huge fonts and widgets
[11:02] <scizzo> topyli: should the user be a part of the group hal?
[11:02] <amiroff> md-away, try enabling top menu ala Macos, way usable
[11:03] <bwb> md-away
[11:03] <bwb> damnit
[11:03] <viper12> bedtime.  g'nite all. have fun. :)
[11:03] <bwb> can't type tonight 8)
[11:03] <viper12> quit
[11:03] <md-away> heh
[11:03] <bwb> md-away: yah nimbus sans at 10 looks great
[11:03] <topyli> scizzo: no, iirc. but hal needs to be in certain groups to be able to use the devices
[11:03] <topyli> scizzo: i'm looking for the bug in bugzilla
[11:03] <bwb> still other things that look crowded (menus/toolbars).. but i think that'll improve
[11:03] <bwb> and qt is quit fast
[11:03] <bwb> quite*
[11:04] <scizzo> topyli: its part of the group cdrom
[11:04] <scizzo> topyli: etc
[11:04] <scizzo> topyli: plugdev and so on
[11:05] <topyli> scizzo yeah you might have a different problem
[11:06] <timing> Hello, im trying to do apt-get install gnome. then it sais: The following packages have unmet dependencies: gnome: Depens: gnome-desktop-environment (= 62ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed E: broken packages
[11:07] <timing> when i try to apt-get gnome-desktop-environment i get the same about nautilus-media
[11:07] <topyli> scizzo: bug #3986. hal was not in groups cdrom, floppy, plugdev
[11:08] <timing> when i apt-get nautilus-media i get the message about libnautilus2-2. it's possible to apt-get the lib but then when i apt-get nautilis-media i need nautilus, wich will REMOVE libnautilus2-2 and so on
[11:08] <timing> what should i do to get gnome runnig?
[11:08] <topyli> scizzo: obviously you have some other problem
[11:08] <bryan> why wasn't gnome installed when you installed ubuntu
[11:09] <togs> Hey, I can't get my Ubuntu server box on the net. I'm using PPPoE with a straight ADSL modem, no routing or firewall built in. I've done the pppoeconf, still no good. Any ideas?
[11:09] <timing> bryan: it was, but i wanted to test some xorg things wich deleted some gnome things now i want gnome back
[11:09] <scizzo> topyli: maybe not...
[11:09] <scizzo> bbl
[11:09] <Seveas> timing, apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[11:10] <timing> Seveas: ah nice! it looks good , thanx
[11:11] <timing> de deb line about the cdrom in sources.list is it important
[11:11] <timing> ?
[11:11] <Seveas> not really
[11:11] <Seveas> unless you want to save every bit of bandwidth
[11:11] <mdblitz1> I would just like to say how amazed I am with ubuntu. I'm quite new to linux and found that mandrake was the only version I could get working. To my surprize not only did ubuntu install very easy, but I actually like it more then mandrake,:)
[11:11] <njs12345> mdblitz1: :)
[11:12] <Seveas> mdblitz1, you're not the first/only one who has that experience :)
[11:12] <njs12345> I was fairly knowledgeable about linux when I came to ubuntu
[11:12] <njs12345> I came from gentoo.. gentoo's compile times and slowness for getting GNOME in were annonying me
[11:12] <njs12345> and I'm glad I switched.. gnome 2.10 in one day in hoary ;)
[11:13] <Seveas> gentoo sucks for normal users
[11:13] <mdblitz1> yea, I really like the new gnome
[11:13] <bryan> muahah, gentoo compile times
[11:13] <bryan> takes like 3 hours just to compile firefox
[11:13] <timing> hmm the installation process of ubuntu is just like the debian's it's just ubuntu installs the desktop automatically
[11:13] <Seveas> bryan, try compiling KDE :)
[11:14] <Seveas> timing, indeed
[11:14] <Seveas> Ubuntu uses the debian-installer
[11:14] <timing> where can i submit a bug?
[11:14] <timing> yep :D
[11:14] <Seveas> timing, bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[11:14] <timing> okay
[11:14] <Seveas> but first check if it isn't filed already
[11:14] <njs12345> timing: if it's a bug with the installer, then the ubuntu devs will push it upstream :)
[11:15] <Seveas> njs12345, they always try to solve it
[11:15] <Seveas> and push a patch upstream...
[11:15] <timing> well i installed the powerepc on a macmini, with Xfree86 it runs the x-window-system ON the framebuffer device, wich is not working
[11:15] <timing> uhh powerpc version
[11:16] <bryan> i'd think that the ppc version is pretty low on the totem pole
[11:16] <timing> he too bad
[11:17] <togs> Hey, I can't get my Ubuntu server box on the net. I'm using PPPoE with a straight ADSL modem
[11:17] <bryan> get a router :D
[11:17] <togs> Not an option :(
[11:18] <wm_eddie> togs: what's the problem.
[11:18] <timing> are there any ubuntu developers here? i don't mind to know who a dev is, but im just curious
[11:18] <shadeofgrey> hey guys
[11:18] <togs> Got a bit better info at this link: http://techdiscussions.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2442
[11:18] <shadeofgrey> how do i use apt-get to update my installation of  open office?
[11:19] <njs12345> shadeofgrey: to what? oo.o 2?
[11:19] <shadeofgrey> the full beta for 2.0 is out and id like to start using it asap
[11:19] <togs> also getting another error related to the pppoe that im typing to notepad
[11:19] <njs12345> are you using hoary, or warty?
[11:19] <shadeofgrey> hoary
[11:19] <mdke> where is the right place to manually download packages for warty? I'm looking for libatm1 on archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main but I can't find it!!
[11:19] <murf> hi! how can i search for package in ubuntu (i would like to use command line utility than aptitude or dselect)
[11:20] <njs12345> shafdeofgrey: I don't know whether it's in hoary yet..
[11:20] <mdke> murf, apt-cache search packagename
[11:20] <njs12345> you might want to use grep as well
[11:20] <njs12345> something like
[11:20] <murf> mdke: thank you!
[11:20] <mdke> murf, or use synaptic, search
[11:20] <njs12345> apt-cache search package | grep package
[11:20] <murf> mdke: synaptic is only gui frontend, right?>
[11:20] <Seveas> mdke, it is in main
[11:20] <mdke> yes
[11:20] <shadeofgrey> cant i just do apt-get update openoffice?
[11:20] <mdke> Seveas, i know, but i can't find it to download
[11:20] <firdel> whats the big difference between hoary and warty ? :/
[11:21] <Seveas> in /pool/main/l/linux-atm
[11:21] <bryan> searching in synaptic is a lot easier then apt-cache search
[11:21] <njs12345> firdel: Hoary contains lots of new fun stuff but isn't quite stable
[11:21] <wm_eddie> togs: Have you tried pppoeconf?
[11:21] <firdel> oki
[11:21] <togs> yeah, i'm getting an error when i do pon, then plog, which i'm typing up, one sec
[11:21] <jk> shadeofgrey: no, because it's not stable yet. openoffice.org 2.0 is called openoffice.org2 in hoary, so apt-get install openoffice.org2 should work
[11:22] <Zotnix> I am very much loving GNOME 2.10
[11:22] <njs12345> jk: I don't think it's in hoary yet
[11:22] <Zotnix> The gaim/samba/nautilus integration is... very... very... nice.
[11:22] <topyli> shadeofgrey: the ooo beta in hoary is not the very latest. search for pavel janik's debian packages of the latest builds
[11:23] <shadeofgrey> i have another question
[11:23] <mdke> Seveas, genius. thanks i was looking under liba/
[11:23] <jk> njs12345: it is
[11:23] <shadeofgrey> why does the ubuntu installer not ask for a root password?
[11:23] <mdke> Seveas, no change you can tell me the version for warty?
[11:24] <shadeofgrey> i had to go into users and groups to set it AFTER the insta;;
[11:24] <jintxo> shadeofgrey, because the root account is disabled by default
[11:24] <mdke> or anyone else who uses warty maybe can help me?
[11:24] <shadeofgrey> thats dumb as hell
[11:24] <jintxo> really?
[11:24] <shadeofgrey> why would you want the root account disabled?
[11:24] <njs12345> jk: I meant the OOo 2.0 beta, I just updated and dist-upgraded and it's not updating OOo2, and if I look at my current version it's still one of them milestone builds
[11:24] <mdke> shadeofgrey, we use sudo for gaining root access
[11:24] <Zotnix> shadeofgrey, they say it is more secure.
[11:24] <topyli> shadeofgrey: so that no-one would run their boxen as root?
[11:24] <jk> njs12345: ah yes in that way you're right :)
[11:24] <mdke> shadeofgrey, i have it disabled and am happily administrating the system
[11:25] <njs12345> also, it means one less password to remember ;) so I'm all for it
[11:25] <jintxo> shadeofgrey, if you prefer to have it, just set the password for it and all set :-)
[11:25] <mdblitz1> I don't even know how to enable it and I can gain access to root functions :)
[11:25] <timing> shadeofgrey: lol, when i left i saw your name, do you know the band incubus? they got a song called "shade of green". Just so you know :P
[11:25] <mdke> now please I just need a little bit of help. I wanna know what the versions of libatm1, ppp, and speedtouch are in WARTY. if someone could quickly help me out, I would really appreciate it
[11:26] <shadeofgrey> timing:  you wouldnt believe how many people say that to me on a daily basis
[11:26] <mdblitz1> is warty the new version?
[11:26] <njs12345> mdke: libatm1 - 2.4.1-16
[11:26] <njs12345> mdke: ppp - 2.4.2+20040428
[11:26] <mdke> njs12345, thanks. warty right?
[11:26] <njs12345> oh
[11:26] <njs12345> no, I'm running hoary, sorry
[11:27] <shadeofgrey> okay -im confused...  my versiuon of openoffice is the 1.9 milestone, but apt-get wont install 2 -- it says its already running 2.. and i know its not because 2 has the really pretty splash screen.  the one i have is ugly as all  hell
[11:27] <InitMass> any idea why firefox refuse to open while xmms is paused but can open when it's playing or stopped? must be some kind of strange bug. i didn't think that firefox was sound dependant
[11:27] <mdke> njs12345, yes me too. i need the versions for warty
[11:27] <mdke> come on people someone help me out!
[11:27] <njs12345> shadeofgrey: OOo2 beta is not in hoary yet
[11:27] <mdke> yeah it is
[11:27] <mdke> i use it
[11:27] <topyli> shadeofgrey: i think these are the freshest oo.o debs you will find: ftp://ftp.linux.cz/pub/localization/OpenOffice.org/devel/680/Beta/
[11:27] <njs12345> the beta isn't, definitely not
[11:27] <jk> mdke: libatm1 2.4.1-15, ppp 2.4.2+20040428-2ubuntu6, speedtouch 1.2-t20040511-3
[11:27] <njs12345> the milestone builds are though
[11:27] <mdke> jk, genius
[11:27] <mdke> oh i c
[11:27] <shadeofgrey> okay thats fine ill just wait
[11:28] <shadeofgrey> but i still need a lot of help with fonts
[11:28] <njs12345> =) it'll probably only be like a day
[11:28] <Albacker> http://albacker.spymac.net/eni.txt <<what's wrong there ?
[11:28] <mdke> jk, warty right?
[11:28] <jk> mdke: yup
[11:29] <shadeofgrey> my fav. text editor has a very compressed list of fonts -- but i have over 900 new ones in my ~/.fonts/ directory - and my fav text editor wont see any of them
[11:29] <mdke> jk, thanks again
[11:29] <daniels> shadeofgrey: it's probably not using fontconfig/xft/freetype
[11:29] <njs12345> Albacker: try dpkg instead of dpk
[11:29] <Albacker> yes
[11:29] <daniels> shadeofgrey: and is instead just using crappy server-side fonts
[11:29] <shadeofgrey> do any of you here use editpad pro and happen to know how to fix this VERY annoying problem?
[11:29] <shadeofgrey> daniels:  so what should i do?
[11:30] <shadeofgrey> where are all the server side fonts stored?
[11:30] <daniels> shadeofgrey: they're all stored under /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts (IIRC)
[11:30] <shadeofgrey> so
[11:30] <daniels> google for 'x11 fonts mkfontscale howto'
[11:30] <shadeofgrey> if i copy all my fonts to that directory it should wirk?
[11:31] <daniels> it's a little more involved than that -- try the google search I suggested (I'd walk you through it myself, but am dropping offline in a second)
[11:31] <Albacker> http://albacker.spymac.net <after removing the old version, and trying to install the newer one > I get this.
[11:32] <Xiao> morning, can anyone help me with hotplug problem?
[11:32] <mdke> we can try
[11:32] <Xiao> thanks ;)
[11:32] <Albacker> http://albacker.spymac.net/error_fb.txt ***
[11:33] <Albacker> can anyone help me on that ?
[11:34] <Xiao> i had - ubuntu 4.10: kernel 2.6.5, hotplug 0.0.20040329-1, i've rebuilt kernel from sources and now i have kernel 2.6.11 and hotplug stop working
[11:35] <Xiao> i've googled for this problem and found nothing
[11:36] <Xiao> what can i do to make hotplug work again?
[11:36] <mdke> in what way stopped working?
[11:37] <Xiao> when i had default kernel hotplug behaviour was: i'm inserting flash to usb and gnome opens its contents in nautilus, now gnome stop doing this ;)
[11:38] <mdke> Xiao, maybe hotplug is working
[11:38] <mdke> but you haven't got the modules for your kernel
[11:38] <Xiao> Albacker, i think it's trying to tell you to upgrade menu package?
[11:39] <Albacker> Xiao, what should I do ? where can I get the new, menu package ?
[11:39] <Albacker> or apt-get ?
[11:40] <bryan> apt-cache search menu|grep 2.1.19
[11:40] <Albacker> bryan, it gives nothing
[11:41] <Xiao> mdke, i have usb-storage module. also when i plug-in flash card i got this lines in /var/log/messages: (see private)
[11:41] <mdke> k
[11:42] <Kresten> Hi everybody! I've got a problem with my fresh ubuntu install... I try to connect to the Internet through a router, but doesn't seem to be able to get a connection up and running. Can anybody help me?
[11:43] <mdke> Xiao, looks like the modules are loading fine
[11:43] <mdke> Xiao, it is a complicated process that leads to the disk automounting in gnome
[11:44] <A-L-P-H-A> how do I boot into command line mode only? (not load X before starting)?  Trying to reconfig X, so I cna have multiple monitors.
[11:44] <mdke> A-L-P-H-A, remove the gdm init process from your default runlevel
[11:44] <A-L-P-H-A> mdke under /etc/inid.d?
[11:44] <roly> hi all
[11:45] <mdke> A-L-P-H-A, noooo
[11:45] <Xiao> Albacker, there's no menu 2.1.19 in warty repository so you should find repository where menu 2.1.19 is
[11:45] <A-L-P-H-A> mdblitz1, I'm a newb, sorry.
[11:45] <A-L-P-H-A> mdke
[11:45] <Albacker> ok Xiao.
[11:45] <mdke> A-L-P-H-A, just under /etc/rc2.d. Just rename it to something like ~S13gdm
[11:46] <roly> what does the topic mean by "nvidia is broke with kernel 2.6.10-26"
[11:46] <mdke> it is
[11:46] <mdke> it doesn't load apparently
[11:46] <roly> nvidia chipsets?
[11:46] <roly> display drivers?
[11:46] <roly> graphics cards?
[11:46] <roly> all of the above?
[11:47] <mdke> 3d display i presume
[11:47] <roly> oic
[11:47] <mdke> not sure tho
[11:47] <roly> i'm having problems installing any form of linux
[11:47] <mdke> lol
[11:47] <lok> I've try to install jre 1.5 for amd64 on a hoary, I ve installed the rpm by alien but java can't start there's nothing in my /usr/java/lang where it search for somes files. any idea?
[11:47] <mdke> roly, don't use hoary
[11:47] <mdke> gtg
[11:48] <roly> can anyone give me some 1 on 1 help?
[11:50] <djp> roly: what is/are the problem(s)?
[11:50] <roly> i'm attepting to duel install ubuntu onto my system
[11:50] <roly> and now i can't get my windows to boot
[11:50] <roly> i'm running warty live fine right now
[11:51] <roly> but both warty install and hoary install refuse to work properly
[11:51] <djp> roly: warty would be the way to go if i was you
[11:51] <roly> ok
[11:52] <roly> common problem #1: the DHCP does not automaticly configure, and even after i manualy input all the correct numbers, the eth0 card refuses to stay active
[11:52] <roly> that is, if i can manage a clean install
[11:53] <apokryphos> roly: odd point: did you try retrying the DHCP automatic configuration? It always fails for me the first time.
[11:53] <roly> i retried it a few times actually, yes.. but it never worked
[11:53] <djp> roly: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/installation-i386
[11:53] <roly> thing that bugs me is that when i installed hoary, the dhcp went fine
[11:54] <Albacker> guys
[11:54] <Albacker> checking for X... no
[11:54] <Albacker> configure: error: Fluxbox requires the X Window System libraries and headers.
[11:54] <Xiao> roly, maybe your network card is not supported by default kernel
[11:54] <murf> can I search only installed packages by command line utility ? (apt-cache search searchs the whole repos)
[11:54] <drasko> hello everybody
[11:55] <Xiao> Albacker, you need xlibs-dev package
[11:55] <roly> it's a rel tek.. i'm not sure about that though, b/c it works fine with the live cd
[11:56] <roly> from the install guide: "That is followed by installing a kernel, then by copying the remainder of the packages on the CD to your hard disk so that you no longer need the CD"
[11:56] <apokryphos> murf: I tend to always use dpkg -l | grep packagename
[11:56] <roly> last time i ran the warty install, i got the following error:
[11:56] <thoreauputic> Albacker: x-window-system-dev from memory
[11:56] <roly> "Unable to install the selected kernel :Linux 386"
[11:57] <djp> roly: sorry sohlud have asked before posting that link, what processor do you have?
[11:57] <Albacker> thoreauputic ?
[11:57] <roly> p4 1.7
[11:57] <roly> yes i've got the correct iso ;)
[11:57] <thoreauputic> Albacker: sorry I was late - fro fluxbox compile I installed that package, I think
[11:58] <murf> apokryphos: it is sufficient, thx
[11:58] <Xiao> Albacker, install xlibs-dev package and i'll find X in configure ;)
[11:58] <apokryphos> murf: you can also use apt-cache with a grep to do it.
[11:58] <Xiao> i'll == it'll
[11:58] <apokryphos> murf: dpkg is better though, since it gives more info.
[11:58] <roly> warty-release-install-i386.iso
[11:58] <Albacker> ok , that's what Im doing
[11:58] <roly> ^ is what i am attempting to install
[11:58] <murf> apokryphos: but it is displayed all packages, not only installed (apt-cache search)
[11:58] <murf> apokryphos: i need search in installed only
[11:59] <djp> roly: sure. have you tried burning another .iso, just in case that one has corrupted in some way?
[11:59] <apokryphos> murf: with the additional option... apt-cache pkgnames | grep packagename
[11:59] <Xiao> roly, try to chack md5sum of your iso
[11:59] <Xiao> chack == check
[12:00] <djp> Xiao: good call!
[12:00] <_4strO> rou
[12:00] <roly> the first one i burned installed completly, and let me log into my computer, but wouldn't load a desktop.. i burned another iso, verified the data, and started over
[12:00] <djp> Xiao: the caffeine is only now, slowly beginning to kick in...!
[12:00] <roly> i'm fairly confident in the integrety of my media
[12:01] <roly> i've gone through 6 cdr's.. 2 warty installs, 2 warty live cds, and 2 hoary installs
[12:01] <roly> the second of all sets were data-verified
[12:01] <thoreauputic> Albacker: which version of fluxbox are you compiling? (just curious)
[12:01] <murf> apokryphos: yea it works too
[12:01] <roly> and the only luck i'm having is with the live cds
[12:02] <murf> apokryphos: thanks
[12:02] <apokryphos> murf: man pages ;-)
[12:02] <Xiao> roly, maybe something wrong with partitioning?
[12:03] <djp> roly: have you tried partitioning your hard drive, ready for a dual install, before using the wart install CD?
[12:03] <shadeofgrey> okay guys i need help with fonts still
[12:03] <murf> apokryphos: i'm a bit lazy ;-)
[12:03] <shadeofgrey> i did the search that other guy suggested
[12:03] <shadeofgrey> and found the howto --
[12:03] <shadeofgrey> but in the last step it says to make changes to a file called
[12:03] <roly> the very first time i started installing any sort of linux software, my friend had me using partition magic to set up some partitions.. but now i can't get back into windows to use partition magic
[12:04] <Albacker> thoreauputic : i wanted to get the 0.9.11 .deb file but I needed a newer menu file. so I tried gettin 0.9.10 but it wasnt there. so I'm compiling 0.9.10
[12:04] <shadeofgrey> /etc/X11/XF86Config-4/   and i dont have a file on my system with that name anywhere
[12:04] <thoreauputic> Albacker: I have a deb of 0.9.12 made with checkinstall, on warty, if you're interested
[12:04] <drasko> How to became Ubuntit - active member?
[12:05] <shadeofgrey> any suggestions?
[12:05] <Albacker> thoreuputic, maybe that needs a menu file like 0.9.11 ?
[12:05] <shadeofgrey> ....whats really frustrating is that every other direction worked
[12:05] <roly> my windows install is on my secondary master drive.. i'm not touching that one with linux.  i want my root system installed on my primary master (6gb) and my /home installed on my pri. slave (80gb)
[12:05] <roly> does that make sense?
[12:05] <djp> roly: try using QTParted under Linux.
[12:05] <Xiao> shadeofgrey, can you describe your ptoblem shortly cause i've missed the beginning
[12:05] <drasko> It is sed on the wiki to sign the Ubuntu Code of Conduct, and sen it to Benjamin Malko Hill, but how is this done exactly?
[12:05] <thoreauputic> Albacker: it seems to install a default menu using fluxbox-generate-menu or whatever
[12:06] <roly> djp: can i do this with a live cd?
[12:06] <shadeofgrey> xiao:  okay.  i installed 900 ttf files from my windows part into my  ~/.fonts/ folder
[12:06] <shadeofgrey> and openoffice sees them fine
[12:06] <djp> roly: yes.
[12:06] <shadeofgrey> but all my other text editors seem to be braindead about it and cant see them
[12:06] <djp> roly: i normally use knoppix's live cd for such purposes...
[12:06] <thoreauputic> Albacker: I can dcc it to you if you'd like to try it
[12:06] <shadeofgrey> so i was told to search google for the following:
[12:07] <shadeofgrey> HOWTO - Adding TrueType fonts to MEPIS
[12:07] <shadeofgrey> which i followed all the directions on that page
[12:07] <balaban> glmez gzlerim sevmezsem eer
[12:07] <Xiao> i'll try to explain it for you in private
[12:07] <roly> well this ubuntu live cd will have to due for now.. i don't have access to a burner at this hour
[12:07] <djp> is anybody here familiar with setting up their own wiki?
[12:08] <djp> roly: give it a try...
[12:08] <roly> k
[12:08] <roly> do i need the .deb file?
[12:08] <roly> is that an installer?
[12:11] <Albacker> thoreauputic, if you want you can give me the url. I'll try that.
[12:11] <Albacker> thoreauputic, doesn it need imlib2 ?
[12:12] <Albacker> does *
[12:12] <thoreauputic> Albacker: no, I just have it on my hard drive ( the deb)
[12:12] <djp> no wiki geeks here today? ;)
[12:12] <thoreauputic> Albacker: dcc would take a few minutes (I'm on dialup here)
[12:12] <js_> is there a package which contains the helvetica font?
[12:13] <Albacker> thoreauputic , ok. I'm dial up too :D
[12:13] <roly> why would anyone want any other font than Comic Sans MS
[12:13] <roly> WORST. FONT. EVER.
[12:13] <topyli> js_: helvetica shold be in the basic xfonts packages
[12:13] <js_> lol
[12:13] <js_> topyli: yeah, thanks
[12:14] <_ReDRuM_> heh i like comic sans
[12:14] <js_> i like advertisments with comic sans
[12:14] <thoreauputic> Albacker: Ok connected
[12:14] <Albacker> yes
[12:15] <Natham> how can i reconfigure the xserver using the instaler tool, after ubuntu has been already installed?
[12:15] <Natham> sorry for my english
[12:15] <thoreauputic> whoa - upload is SLOW
[12:15] <Albacker> YES
[12:15] <Albacker> 0.6kbps :S
[12:15] <Albacker> never seen smth like this
[12:15] <thoreauputic> normally upload is about 3k
[12:15] <Albacker> dont you have ftp over there ?
[12:16] <Albacker> so you can upload it on web
[12:16] <thoreauputic> not an ftp server, no
[12:16] <roly> js_ i like ads with comic sans ms because they instantly tell me "don't waste your money on this crap!"
[12:16] <thoreauputic> oh I see
[12:16] <js_> roly: exactly :)
[12:16] <Albacker> should I exit it /
[12:16] <thoreauputic> Albacker: yes I could put it on my site for you I guess
[12:16] <Albacker> ok thanks than :D
[12:17] <thoreauputic> Albacker: OK I'll try uploading to my site
[12:17] <roly> kind of like people who wear their collars up.. it's like they are taking the time to let me know "hey, i'm a huge lamer, stay away at all costs!".. saves me a lot of trouble
[12:17] <firdel> im experiencing some wierd system crashes... my system hangs unprovoked.. when i reboot, it stalls at "loading hotplug subsystem", then i have to boot 2 or 3 times, before i can enter ubuntu again. anyone got the same probs, or had ? im deperate
[12:17] <Albacker> thanks thoreauputic ;)
[12:17] <firdel> desperate
[12:18] <phosphorgreen> i had similar problems firdel
[12:18] <phosphorgreen> i had to unplug all my usb devices before i booted
[12:18] <firdel> my friend tells me its my USB devices..
[12:18] <phosphorgreen> and one by one reconnected them
[12:18] <phosphorgreen> i found out the suspect to be an Ipod
[12:19] <firdel> well, i tried, i even disabled all USB in bios, but that didnt help. all i got is my MS usb mouse, and a hp printer. they are all unplugged...
[12:19] <js_> topyli: hm, i cant choose it anywhere for gtk2 apps.. helvetica that is
[12:19] <firdel> but why does it stall when booting the subsystem. is that where the usb drivers are loaded ?
[12:19] <firdel> hotplug subsystem
[12:19] <phosphorgreen> there may be a fault with your hardware then?
[12:19] <thoreauputic> Albacker: uploading now @ 3k :)  eta abot 2min
[12:20] <firdel> sigh... i hope not
[12:20] <firdel> the problem started 3 days ago, and has gotten worse.. more crashed, harder to boot
[12:20] <phosphorgreen> have you tried to upgrade your system (ie from warty to hoary), I believe that the system undergoes a big change
[12:20] <Albacker> thoreauputic : great, thanks. I've uploaded things at a slower spped :D
[12:20] <firdel> phosphorgreen, did that help ?
[12:21] <phosphorgreen> did it help me?
[12:21] <firdel> yea
[12:21] <phosphorgreen> I don't know - im in the process of upgrading to hoary this moment
[12:21] <phosphorgreen> i don't have any major problems with warty though. Just the ipod
[12:21] <phosphorgreen> because it drew too much power from the usb system
[12:21] <firdel> is that possible to do without a complete reinstall? i have no cd-burner
[12:22] <topyli> js_: so it seems. they list only truetype fonts :(
[12:22] <phosphorgreen> Firdel, yes
[12:22] <firdel> sounds sweet
[12:22] <topyli> js_: helvetica is a lousy screen font anyway, not scalable
[12:22] <phosphorgreen> just change all the items in /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:22] <firdel> since im a complete lunixn00b, it kinda scares me though
[12:22] <js_> topyli: i knowits not, but i like the looks of it :)
[12:22] <phosphorgreen> to say hoary instead of warty
[12:22] <js_> topyli: the other fonts need to be antialiased to be good
[12:22] <firdel> ok
[12:22] <firdel> sounds easy
[12:22] <js_> and since i run over xdmcp, antialiasing just slows things down
[12:22] <phosphorgreen> there is nothing to be worried about, they are mainly completely sync'ed
[12:23] <phosphorgreen> it's about ~600mb download
[12:23] <firdel> and then perform a system update ?
[12:23] <topyli> js_: of course if you're lucky, your resolution and dpi are such that helvetica doesn't need to be scaled. then it looks just fine
[12:23] <thoreauputic> Albacker: http://interlink.webhop.org/fluxbox-0.9.12_0.9.12-1_i386.deb
[12:23] <Albacker> Thanks ! : thoreauputic
[12:24] <scizzo> back
[12:24] <js_> topyli: yeah, thats what im used to.. perhaps i need to add the helvetica family to fontconfig or such+
[12:24] <thoreauputic> Albacker: weird filename, checkinstall did that for some reason...
[12:24] <magnon> anyone know what's happened to rhythmbox? it's insanely slow, chugs the cpu when you do something with the gui, and crossfading isn't quick anymore
[12:24] <Albacker> np
[12:24] <scizzo> hmmm....I could burn the iso with cdrecord after all: cdrecord -v -dev=ATAPI:0,0 image.iso
[12:24] <scizzo> so now I have a ubuntu hoary server up and running
[12:25] <thoreauputic> Albacker: link is OK? firefox pops up a dialogue for it here...
[12:26] <firdel> phosphorgreen, i changed em all. do i perform an apg-get update command now ?
[12:26] <Albacker> thoreauputic, I use wget.
[12:26] <thoreauputic> OK
[12:26] <thoreauputic> that should be fine then
[12:26] <confrey> hi everybody
[12:27] <firdel> oh shit he left me
[12:27] <drasko> How to became Ubuntit - active member?
[12:27] <thoreauputic> firdel: sudo apt-get update will never hurt
[12:27] <drasko> It is sed on the wiki to sign the Ubuntu Code of Conduct, and sen it to Benjamin Malko Hill, but how is this done exactly?
[12:27] <sdfafa> I would like to know about free cds! Who?
[12:27] <firdel> ok
[12:28] <sdfafa> I would like to know about free cds! Who can to help me?
[12:28] <shadeofgrey> how do i restart x again?
[12:28] <scizzo> sdfafa: free cds?
[12:28] <firdel> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://security.ubuntu.com hoarty-security/ restricted Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/security.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoarty- security_restricted_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[12:28] <firdel> dont look good to me
[12:28] <scizzo> firdel: hoarty?
[12:29] <firdel> oh shit
[12:29] <firdel> :D
[12:29] <scizzo> firdel: last time I liked it was called hoary... :)
[12:29] <firdel> silly me
[12:29] <phosphorgreen> scizzo: ctrl + alt +f1 ; log in at prompt ; sudo to root ; /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[12:29] <sdfafa> scizzo, ...that CD's Ubuntu
[12:30] <thoreauputic> sdfafa: http://shipit.ubuntulinux.org/
[12:31] <Methias> i dont friggin believe it
[12:31] <thoreauputic> sdfafa: got it?
[12:31] <Methias> it STILL DOESNT WORK
[12:32] <firdel> thoreauputic, the update took 20 secs.. from warty to hoary
[12:32] <firdel> Fetched 4970kB in 35s (139kB/s)
[12:32] <firdel> Reading Package Lists... Done
[12:32] <firdel> that cant be
[12:32] <scizzo> phosphorgreen: ?
[12:32] <phosphorgreen> firdel: for a complete instruction to upgrading to hoary, go to www.ubuntulinux.org and type search: upgrade to hoary
[12:32] <phosphorgreen> the first result is the one I think
[12:32] <thoreauputic> firdel: that just updated your sources :)
[12:32] <scizzo> phosphorgreen: I was not asking anything
[12:32] <^jaco> g'morning :)
[12:32] <^jaco> yawwnn :)
[12:32] <sdfafa> thoreauputic, I live in Brazil.. and.. Are these grace cds?
[12:32] <scizzo> sdfafa: what about them?
[12:33] <thoreauputic> firdel: you need to do sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:33] <phosphorgreen> (i would try, but my mozilla is pooched until restart)
[12:33] <^jaco> i've downloaded the gnome2.10 live cd and wow!
[12:33] <^jaco> i was surprised
[12:33] <thoreauputic> sdfafa: where you live doesn't matter
[12:33] <^jaco> it's a live distro ubuntu based:)
[12:33] <phosphorgreen> firdel: read the web site it will tell you exactly how to do it
[12:33] <thoreauputic> sdfafa: the CDs are free of cost (gratis)
[12:33] <scizzo> ^jaco: you mean the hoary live CD?
[12:34] <^jaco> no scizzo
[12:34] <^jaco> gnome 2.10 live cd
[12:34] <sdfafa> thoreauputic, Hehehe.. Do you know portuguese?
[12:34] <scizzo> hmmm...didn't know that gnome was doing live CDs
[12:34] <thoreauputic> sdfafa: no, just french ;)
[12:34] <^jaco> scizzo go on www.gnome.org and download it
[12:35] <scizzo> ^jaco: I am ok...I am using the ubuntu stuff.. :)
[12:35] <phosphorgreen> shadeofgrey: ctrl + alt +f1 ; log in at prompt ; sudo to root ; /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[12:35] <thoreauputic> sdfafa: gratis - gratuit - whatever :)
[12:35] <firdel> phosphorgreen, this is the right artikle, just so i dont shoot myself in the foot
[12:35] <firdel> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PbuilderHowto/view?searchterm=update%20to%20hoary
[12:35] <firdel> no ?
[12:35] <phosphorgreen> sorry firdel i cant be sure as i dont have a web browser atm
[12:35] <^jaco> at this time ubuntu hoary is the most advanced distro of the world
[12:35] <phosphorgreen> the upgrade to hoary has pulled it
[12:35] <sdfafa> thoreauputic, How many time do they send me?
[12:36] <phosphorgreen> if it says stuff like 'upgrading using apt-get' and 'upgrading using synaptic' then it's the one
[12:36] <firdel> ok
[12:36] <^jaco> scizzo i use ubuntu, i was only surprised of this stuff that the gnome live cd is ubuntu
[12:36] <thoreauputic> sdfafa: READ the info on the site
[12:36] <shadeofgrey> does anybody here use Editpad Pro forlinux?
[12:37] <phosphorgreen> vim is the only true editor
[12:37] <_4strO> editor
[12:37] <_4strO> nano
[12:37] <sdfafa> Does anybody know anyone a good RSS Reader?
[12:37] <apokryphos> kate
[12:37] <apokryphos> sdfafa: akregator
[12:37] <^jaco> sdfafa Thunderbird of course
[12:38] <sdfafa> ^jaco, I didn't like!
[12:38] <sdfafa> apokryphos, Is it good?
[12:38] <^jaco> argh :(
[12:38] <apokryphos> sdfafa: very much so, yes. It can be intergrated with Kontact, too.
[12:38] <firdel> going for a apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:38] <sdfafa> ^jaco, but i like it!
[12:38] <sdfafa> ^jaco, i use
[12:39] <sdfafa> apokryphos, I'm using Straw.. but it's very very low....
[12:39] <apokryphos> sdfafa: it's worth giving akregator a try, certainly. Never had any complaints about speed with it.
[12:40] <spiral> hi
[12:41] <sdfafa> apokryphos, what's your distro?
[12:42] <apokryphos> sdfafa: well, Ubuntu, naturally. :P
[12:42] <sdfafa> apokryphos, so... The importance is to be Linux.. hehehe
[12:43] <apokryphos> sdfafa: perhaps; but this is the #ubuntu channel. :)
[12:43] <sdfafa> perhaps not
[12:43] <sdfafa> it's
[12:45] <kay> can i make akregator download all articles of a feed?
[12:45] <kay> I have a filtering at work, would like my notebook to download in home net, to read there
[12:45] <kay> :p
[12:46] <kay> there=work
[12:56] <dizzie> Morning all :)
[12:57] <spenser> sup
[12:57] <dizzie> Not a lot, except swearing over ubuntu install :)
[12:58] <spenser> dizzie:  same hear.
[12:58] <dizzie> Well its running, but i need ntfs support :()
[12:58] <spenser> i'm getting ready to scrap it and go back to slackware.
[12:59] <dizzie> I'm just not in the mood for a kernel update atm :)
[12:59] <dizzie> Ugh, why slackware?
[12:59] <spenser> i can't get it to even install. it's like there is a cd error but there isn't
[01:00] <spenser> dizzie:  slackware is far superior
[01:00] <defnop> hey i reburned my ubuntu live cd at @2 speed still the same problem "No Common CD-ROM drive was detected" :(
[01:00] <apokryphos> spenser: you're using "superior" as if it were an objective quality; it isn't, not with regard to Linux distributions.
[01:00] <dizzie> Superior in what way?
[01:01] <spenser> apokryphos:  that's your opinion ;)
[01:01] <apokryphos> spenser: it is my opinion that "superior" is not an objective quality? No, it's not.
[01:01] <dizzie> Isnt it a personal taste tbh.
[01:01] <apokryphos> spenser: as in, it is not merely my opinion.
[01:01] <thoreauputic> spenser: I think *your* statement was an opinion :)
[01:01] <dizzie> I had used OpenBSD for years
[01:02] <dizzie> Cant find a more secure OS i think :)
[01:02] <spenser> there is a reason slackware is the oldest active distro.
[01:02] <thoreauputic> spenser: yes, that it started sooner... *g*
[01:02] <apokryphos> spenser: Argumentum ad antiquitatem
[01:02] <dizzie> Uhm, FreeBSD is from 1979 i think (as in BSD4.4)
[01:03] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: hehe
[01:03] <apokryphos> spenser: that's a logical fallacy in argumentation, just in case you didn't know.
[01:04] <spenser> dizzie:  um, freebsd isn't a linux distro.
[01:05] <dizzie> you only said distro :p
[01:06] <dizzie> [12:58]  spenser there is a reason slackware is the oldest active distro.
[01:06] <dizzie> Didnt say "linux distro" :p
[01:06] <apokryphos> spenser: I do believe he said OpenBSD, not FreeBSD, too.
[01:06] <thoreauputic> guys, distro wars >> #ubuntu-offtopic
[01:06] <dizzie> :)
[01:07] <spenser> i halfway expected those kinds of arguments from a chan of a beginner distro.
[01:07] <spenser> you guys can calm down now.
[01:07] <Seveas> spenser, stop trolling...
[01:07] <apokryphos> spenser: "those kind of arguments"? You mean logically consistent ones?
[01:07] <dizzie> I'm calm, i got my coffee :)
[01:08] <mattgirv> mm coffee :)
[01:08] <error_29> context is everything.  I happen to think it an "objective" fact that linux is superior to windows, but without context, the statement is meaningless
[01:08] <dizzie> mattgirv :)
[01:08] <apokryphos> Herb Tea :P
[01:08] <error_29> because for many things windows is superior to linux
[01:08] <error_29> in different contexts
[01:08] <Xer> hi
[01:08] <Seveas> indeed error_29
[01:08] <Xer> make[3] : *** [drivers/char/drm/gamma_drv.o]  Error 1
[01:08] <Xer> make[2] : *** [drivers/char/drm]  Error 2
[01:08] <Xer> make[1] : *** [drivers/char]  Error 2
[01:08] <Xer> make: *** [drivers]  Error 2
[01:09] <dizzie> apokryphos :)
[01:09] <Xer> can anyone tell me how to fix it ? [ im compleing kernel] 
[01:09] <mattgirv> i dont like tea :'(
[01:09] <Seveas> Xer, not if you're not showing the actual error
[01:09] <mattgirv> compared to coffee it is just so weak
[01:09] <mattgirv> ;P
[01:09] <dizzie> Me neither
[01:09] <Xer> 0_0
[01:09] <dizzie> Tea is for girls :o
[01:09] <mattgirv> hah
[01:09] <Seveas> and compiling a kernel is not for beginners, is there a good reason why you want to compile it yourself?
[01:09] <Xer> im drinking  tea
[01:09] <Xer> :D
[01:09] <apokryphos> hehe :D
[01:09] <queuetue> Tea is for people with functioning taste buds. :)
[01:10] <dizzie> No :)
[01:10] <apokryphos> Tea is for... me.
[01:10] <Xer> <<<--- i have functioning taste buds. :)
[01:10] <Seveas> Herbal tea is good
[01:10] <Seveas> or Fruit tea
[01:10] <error_29> "Tea is for girls" is a good enough reason to keep plenty of tea around, and to know how to brew it.
[01:10] <Xer> fruit*
[01:10] <apokryphos> sure is. Got several packs of different ones. A new adventure every day.
[01:10] <apokryphos> error_29: nail on the head ;-)
[01:10] <Seveas> twining selections is the best fruit tea
[01:11] <Seveas> comamille, honey & vanilla tea is my favourite :)
[01:11] <Xer> In file included from drivers/char/drm/gamma_drv.c:42:
[01:11] <Xer> drivers/char/drm/gamma_context.h: In function `gamma_context_switch_complete':
[01:11] <Xer> drivers/char/drm/gamma_context.h:193: error: structure has no member named `next_buffer'
[01:11] <Xer> drivers/char/drm/gamma_context.h:193: error: structure has no member named `next_buffer'
[01:11] <Xer> i think that is my problem
[01:11] <Xer> :D
[01:11] <Seveas> yep
[01:11] <error_29> (but tea with milk, that's for weirdos!)
[01:11] <Xer> i drink tea with milk
[01:11] <Xer> and red tea
[01:11] <Xer> and green tea
[01:11] <queuetue> Green tea (with jasmine, please) and roibos... There are lots of great teas.  Well made Earl Grey is  actually stronger than most coffees, IMHO
[01:11] <apokryphos> With traditional tea, milk is necessary; herbal teas... eek.
[01:11] <Xer> and fruit trs
[01:11] <Xer> and fruit tea
[01:11] <Seveas> Xer, why are you compiling your own kernel?
[01:11] <Xer> and all tea's
[01:11] <Xer> easy
[01:11] <Seveas> and do you use ubuntu sources or sources from kernel.org?
[01:11] <Xer> after i think yesterday
[01:12] <Xer> backing to kerel 2.4 for makeing my live cd is shit
[01:12] <Xer> and if i back to 2.4 i need kde
[01:12] <mattgirv> i hate peppermint tea
[01:12] <mattgirv> yuk
[01:12] <Xer> i like gnome more then kde
[01:12] <mattgirv> :(
[01:12] <scizzo> Xer: have you ever compiled a kernel before?
[01:12] <dizzie> Is there a stable 2.6.11 from ubuntu ?, my 2.6.10-4 doesnt have NTFS support :(
[01:12] <Seveas> xer, you make no sense
[01:12] <Xer> ammmmmmmmmmmmmm if unpacking kernel file called complie then yes ;)
[01:12] <apokryphos> dizzie: nope, not yet I don't think.
[01:12] <mattgirv> dizzie, do you have an ati card?
[01:13] <Seveas> why cant you use 2.4 and gnome..?
[01:13] <error_29> Chamomile is great, though technically I guess it's not really tea
[01:13] <Xer> i dont know i think gnome cant work on 2.4
[01:13] <Seveas> xer, thats nonsense
[01:13] <Xer> i only know kde support 2.4
[01:13] <mattgirv> of course it can
[01:13] <dizzie> The "testing" Hoary had NTFS support with 2.6.10-*
[01:13] <thoreauputic> dizzie: all kernels have ntfs support for reading - write support is . erm,,, experimental
[01:13] <Xer> [ i never complited kernel in hole my life]  <<<-- the answer
[01:13] <Seveas> xer, then dont
[01:13] <mattgirv> lol
[01:14] <Xer> nah
[01:14] <Xer> i will
[01:14] <mattgirv> Xer: www.gentoo.org tbh
[01:14] <Seveas> install an ubuntu 2.4 kernel
[01:14] <mattgirv> mess around with that
[01:14] <Xer> :\
[01:14] <mattgirv> you will learn a lot
[01:14] <apokryphos> Anyone know if there's more info on nvidia being broken in latest kernel release?
[01:14] <Xer> i will give it a try :)
[01:14] <Seveas> apokryphos, have you installed the latest restricte-modules?
[01:14] <no0tic> gnome 2.10 lost "application:///" path, what replaced it?
[01:14] <apokryphos> Seveas: there are new ones? Nope.
[01:14] <Seveas> no0tic, nothing
[01:14] <error_29> I used to use kde kicker in gnome, but this "upgraded" version I'm trying in hoary is massively broken.  Pity.
[01:14] <Xer> gentoo ?
[01:15] <Xer> what is this? [x] ?
[01:15] <Seveas> gentoo is another linux distribution
[01:15] <Xer> ahaa
[01:15] <Seveas> for people with way too much time
[01:15] <mattgirv> whewww... Nero for Linux
[01:15] <Xer> linux distro
[01:15] <mattgirv> I really didn't see that one coming :D
[01:15] <Xer> good i dont have alots of times and i have to make my own livecd before the exams end
[01:15] <no0tic> Seveas: are there other path like "burn:///" or similar?
[01:15] <Xer> <<-- i think gnome is good for me :D
[01:16] <thoreauputic> mattgirv: nero for linux? Link? sounds weird....
[01:16] <mattgirv> http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=9947
[01:16] <Xer> gentoo its look like kde and gnome and others x's ?
[01:16] <Seveas> no0tic, i don't know, I still run Warty. I just know that the new gnome uses the freedesktop.org system ehich has no applications:///
[01:16] <thoreauputic> mattgirv: thanks
[01:16] <apokryphos> Seveas: anywhere I should be looking for more info on this?
[01:16] <mattgirv> it is disappointingly, GTK1.x but still pretty cool :)
[01:16] <dizzie> who needs nero when we have k3b :)
[01:16] <Seveas> apokryphos, try apt-get update (or the reload button in synaptic)
[01:16] <Xer> gentoo its look like kde and gnome and others x's ?
[01:16] <thoreauputic> dizzie: my thoughts exactly
[01:17] <Seveas> xer, you are so clueles...
[01:17] <mattgirv> Well i guess if you really dont want kdelibs, or if you have problems with K3B
[01:17] <dizzie> nero kicks a**, let alone nero tbh :)
[01:17] <apokryphos> Seveas: Don't want to do really do a dist-upgrade if the latest kernel has nvidia problems.
[01:17] <Seveas> xer, please read some about what X is, what the kernel is and what gnome and kde are
[01:17] <no0tic> Seveas: thanks
[01:17] <mattgirv> lmao
[01:18] <dizzie> to be fair, i installed ubuntu on all 4 pc's i own, including my server :)
[01:18] <dizzie> just annoys me that i cant read ntfs disks :o
[01:18] <Seveas> apokryphos, I have heard that the problems have gone away already
[01:18] <mattgirv> anyway, i think nero for linux is cool, there obviously is some demand for it or it wouldnt of just popped out of nowhere
[01:18] <mattgirv> dizzie, tell me about it :( i need my music :'(
[01:18] <Seveas> apokryphos, but i am not sure, I don't run hoary myself
[01:19] <dizzie> mattgirv, http://www.shoutcast.com/ :)
[01:19] <Xer> Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[01:19] <apokryphos> Seveas: /topic hasn't updated yet, so I presume that they're still there, but I could be wrong.
[01:19] <Xer> gento isnt like kde
[01:19] <Xer> its linux distro
[01:19] <Xer> and haveing its own kernel !
[01:19] <apokryphos> yes :)
[01:19] <Xer> [and with x too] 
[01:19] <error_29> dizzie, I've had no problem reading ntfs disks in warty and hoary
[01:19] <mattgirv> dizzie: Lol but my music is on the same machine as linux
[01:19] <Xer> i need only the x server or whats ever
[01:20] <mlambie> my atheros wireless card has stopped working since I upgraded my hoary distribution - has anyoneelse seen this today?
[01:20] <mattgirv> so i cant stream it unless i am in windows, and that means i am not in linux anymore :p
[01:20] <dizzie> error, i got the iso from /topic, older iso (the development branch (array-6) can read ntfs))
[01:20] <dizzie> coincidence(sp)?
[01:20] <mattgirv> brb :)
[01:20] <Xer> can anyone tell me a good window manger?
[01:21] <Xer> [thats supporting 2.4] 
[01:21] <dizzie> Gnome :)
[01:21] <Xer> anther
[01:21] <Xer> gnome dont support 2.4
[01:21] <Seveas> Xer, stop talking crap
[01:21] <Seveas> gnome does
[01:21] <Xer> nah
[01:21] <Xer> i wont
[01:21] <Xer> :D
[01:21] <Xer> ok i will stop
[01:21] <Xappe> gnome's a DE not a WM
[01:21] <Xer> ...
[01:21] <dizzie> Before Gnome i used FluxBox/OpenBox/Blackbox
[01:22] <error_29> er, gnome is a window manager?  I thought metacity, actually was the window manager for gnome
[01:22] <Xer> i was think it window manger [wm]  ;0
[01:22] <Seveas> Xappe, don't confuse Xer any more than he already is ;))
[01:22] <Xer> im not confuse
[01:22] <Xer> :D
[01:22] <Xer> i know whats im doing
[01:22] <phw> Hi folks
[01:22] <thoreauputic> Xer: you have much to learn
[01:22] <Xer> i need lib for 2.6
[01:22] <error_29> but hell I'm very confused with the whole "desktop manager" vs "window manager" business
[01:22] <dizzie> Hi phw :)
[01:22] <Seveas> error_29, metacity can be used for that
[01:22] <Xer> and its will finsh
[01:22] <phw> Has anyone a bluetooth headset running with ubuntu linux
[01:22] <Xer> but im too lame for them
[01:22] <Xer> :P
[01:22] <Seveas> and actually is used in Ubuntu
[01:22] <Xer> for that*
[01:23] <phw> I have found the bluetooth headset with Bluetooth Manager, but i need an audio driver to use it
[01:23] <phw> is there something already available for ubuntu?
[01:23] <phw> (Bluetooth Manager == gnome-bluetooth-manager)
[01:23] <phw> the only thing i fouund was this project: http://www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/~jp/snd-bluez-sco/
[01:26] <Xer> i have one question
[01:27] <Xer> what's the differnt betwen de and wm ?
[01:27] <Xer> like i see its use freex libs :S
[01:29] <error_29> Is Grub really the only game in town for boot managers?  Grub hates me.
[01:29] <_ale> lilo is one also
[01:30] <error_29> well, yes, but lilo hated me too, and does anyone really use lilo anymore?
[01:30] <thoreauputic> error_29: sure they do
[01:30] <thoreauputic> error_29: it works fine, BTW
[01:31] <thoreauputic> usually ... *grinr*
[01:31] <kent> error_29, why does grub hate you? It can be the case that your just unfriendly to it, and dont pay attention to its needs ;)
[01:31] <Seveas> error_29, why does grub hate you?
[01:31] <Seveas> kent, you stole my line :p
[01:31] <kent> Seveas, i was first ;)
[01:32] <error_29> looks like I stirred up a mound of grub lovers...
[01:32] <Seveas> :)
[01:32] <Seveas> not neccessarily
[01:32] <kent> error_29, im no grub-lover, i just use it.  It have no fealings for it.
[01:32] <Seveas> i'm just curious
[01:33] <kent> error_29, but it should work, it has always done that for me, and for a lot of other people as well (thats why it is used)
[01:33] <error_29> folks, I said it hates me, not that it hates you.  Windows works for a lot of people to, that doesn't mean alternatives to it aren't a good thing
[01:34] <Aron> hey guys, I'm in deep trouble
[01:34] <error_29> And I think it's a shame that grub/lilo seem to be a duopoly in this area
[01:34] <kent> error_29, and I asked why it hates you, but you did not say why :(
[01:34] <Aron> I need to resize my Windows partition to fill some free space I made and nothing seems to want to let me
[01:34] <Aron> can I do it from linux?
[01:34] <Seveas> Aron, I shouldn't do that if i were you
[01:35] <Xer> wich one is better Xfce4 or icewm?
[01:35] <thoreauputic> error_29: Nice intro to GRUB here: >> http://www.enterprisenetworkingplanet.com/netos/article.php/3340051
[01:35] <error_29> if I knew why anyone hated me, kent, my love life would leave me no time to give a damn about computers! ;-)
[01:35] <Aron> Seveas: Then what am I supposed to use?
[01:35] <Seveas> Aron, I suggest partition magic under windows
[01:35] <Aron> Seveas: I don't have that kind of money
[01:35] <Seveas> but that's either expensive or illegal...
[01:35] <Aron> Exactly.
[01:35] <kent> Xer, xfce4 has a bit more features i think, i would go with that one
[01:36] <error_29> My nick was given me by GRUB, which greets me with that phrase when i try to boot windows
[01:36] <Xer> :)
[01:36] <Xer> thanks kent
[01:36] <firdel> when i update from warty to hoary, am i not supposed to remove the warty files, or is that done automatically ?
[01:36] <Seveas> lol error_29
[01:36] <Xer> xfce 14 mB only :D
[01:36] <Seveas> tried rootnoverify?
[01:36] <Xer> nice to download it :>
[01:36] <HiddenWolf> Xer: you're looking for Xfce4, not xfce
[01:36] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> once you've configured your sources, is updating to hoary from warty just "apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade" ? or is there some "gotcha's" I need to know :)
[01:36] <Seveas> and are you sure you try to boot the goof partition?
[01:36] <kent> firdel, there is a page on the ubuntu homepage for that thing.  (it says what you need to do if you upgrade right now).
[01:36] <Xer> i know
[01:36] <Xer> i didnt write for the 4
[01:36] <mattgirv> back
[01:37] <thoreauputic> firdel: done automatically
[01:37] <firdel> ok kent, ill look into it
[01:37] <Xer> and thanks to show me you was reading whats i write and u didnt answer me
[01:37] <Xer> :)
[01:37] <trukulo> have you seen fresh news? Nero for linux avalaible
[01:37] <kent> firdel, i think it was something with gamin, or something like that.  Its not much you need to do.
[01:37] <thoreauputic> trukulo: the wind is changing....
[01:37] <firdel> thx
[01:37] <trukulo> thoreauputic, it seems to, yes
[01:37] <Aron> So does anyone have a way to resize an NTFS partition?
[01:38] <Xer> GoooooooooooooooD bye Alllllllllll
[01:38] <firdel> screw NTFS ;)
[01:38] <Aron> I just want to expand it to fill the free space on my drive, and I can't make another partition since I have 4 primaries atm
[01:38] <Aron> and let's see you run Guild Wars on Cedega...not gonna happen especially with an ATI video card
[01:38] <thoreauputic> firdel: to clear the apt cache after upgrading, you can do `apt-get clean`
[01:38] <error_29> The only gotcha, az[a] zel_ubuntu , is be careful not to have any backports as sources, in my experience -- just "normal" ubuntu repos
[01:39] <error_29> I upgraded a virginal warty, no problem
[01:39] <firdel> thoreauputic, ok! so al i need to do is reboot, and enjoy my new release ? :)
[01:39] <thoreauputic> "virginal warty" is a nice turn of phrase :)
[01:39] <mattgirv> damn i wish i could get ati working
[01:39] <error_29> but my promiscuously backported warty was just murdered by the upgrade
[01:39] <mattgirv> anyone on the 2.6.10-4 kernel and got ati drivers installed + working
[01:40] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> error_29, ok
[01:40] <thoreauputic> firdel: even rebooting isn't strictly necessary, but basically yes
[01:40] <error_29> there are warts that keep one a virgin, and warts that remind one one should have stayed a virgin.
[01:40] <firdel> i gotta see if this resolved my "starting hotplug subsys" problem
[01:40] <error_29> pure as the driven hoar-frost
[01:40] <mlambie> my atheros wireless card has stopped working since I upgraded my hoary distribution - has anyone else seen this today?
[01:41] <Xappe> trukulo, nero for linux? where can I read about that?
[01:41] <johso> mattgirv, I was told to install 686, but that didn't really help. now I can't start some programs and my Wireless connection is gone..
[01:42] <trukulo> Xappe, http://www.nero.com/en/NeroLINUX.html
[01:42] <mattgirv> heh
[01:42] <mattgirv> http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=9947
[01:42] <mattgirv> lots of comments about it there too
[01:42] <mattgirv> it seems that everyone is pissed off about it being on linux now, yet these same people moan constantly about linux not having enough commercial support
[01:43] <Tomcat_> I think it's a good thing.
[01:43] <Tomcat_> People can moan all they want. :P
[01:43] <mattgirv> yeah i think its great tbh.
[01:43] <mattgirv> i was excited when i saw it :P
[01:44] <Bauhn> I need help with partitions, if you think you can help me, please query me..
[01:44] <thoreauputic> It's a symptom: maybe there will be more to follow from others now
[01:44] <ompaul> Bauhn, what help do you need?
[01:44] <Seveas> Bauhn, please state the problem first
[01:45] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> amd64 packages are being kept in sync with the x86 version aren't they ?
[01:45] <Seveas> az[a] zel_ubuntu, as much as possible
[01:45] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> my mirror seems to have a package list, but I must have made some mistake
[01:45] <Bauhn> Seveas ompaul >> When i'm trying to install it i only have 1 partition on 40gb, and ubuntu wants to format it.. and i cant do that becuase i have to much i want to keep
[01:46] <Seveas> Bauhn, then you muat first resize that partition
[01:46] <mlambie> johso: what chipset is your wireless? mind stopped working when I dist-upgraded Hoary today.
[01:46] <Bauhn> Seveas how do i do that?
[01:46] <mlambie> mind == mine
[01:46] <Seveas> Bauhn, i suppose there is windows on that 40GB partition?
[01:47] <Bauhn> Seveas yes..
[01:47] <johso> mlambie, ipw2200...
[01:47] <mlambie> johso: OK, mines atheros, with madwifi driver
[01:47] <djst> anyone here experienced with the nvidia drivers and stuff like that?
[01:47] <mlambie> interestingly, there's another kernel update now.
[01:47] <Echylo> hello, what do I all need to connect with a windows pc except Samba?
[01:47] <mlambie> I'll see if this fixes things
[01:48] <Seveas> Echylo, define "connect"
[01:48] <Seveas> just grab files?
[01:48] <djst> since yesterday, i can no longer use the nvidia kernel driver... it stopped working after i tried the hibernate feature :(
[01:48] <Echylo> yes
[01:48] <djst> changing xorg.conf to use the nv driver fixes the problem, but that driver is sloow...
[01:48] <mlambie> rebootin'
[01:48] <Echylo> just with 2 ethernet cards
[01:49] <Seveas> Echylo, than samba stuff is enough
[01:49] <Echylo> ok :)
[01:49] <Echylo> thanks
[01:50] <johso> Problem is that I can't use some of my programs, and the system seems all in all slower - so I don't really know what to do...
[01:50] <error_29> Bauhn, I don't know enough to help you with resizing, but I can say it's dangerous, so if you can backup your windows stuff on a network, or to an external drive or something... ?
[01:50] <Seveas> msg echylo libsmbclient smblient smbfs samba-common
[01:50] <mattgirv> Hey how do I get XFCE 4.2
[01:50] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> only 454MB to upgrad to hoary? wow, small :) I just updated my friends mandrake 10.0 vanilla install, and it was 1024MB
[01:51] <mattgirv> I can only seem to get XFCE 4 from the ubuntu repos. :(
[01:51] <Bauhn> error_29 ohfuck.. is it really dangerous even if i just make another partition on ~3gb?
[01:51] <mattgirv> az[a] zel_ubuntu, it isn't that small seeing as the iso is only 500 odd mb :)
[01:52] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> heh
[01:52] <error_29> Bauhn, don't let me panic you, I'm clueless.  I just know that I try to avoid resizing partitions with important data on them.
[01:53] <thoreauputic> Bauhn: problem with XP is even a defrag leaves cruft that won't move , so resizing can be tricky on ntfs
[01:53] <error_29> And Bauhn, you're gonna want more than 3 gigs for ubuntu
[01:54] <Seveas> thoreauputic, Partition magic can handle that
[01:54] <Bauhn> thoreauputic but if i run defrag before it should be pretty safe?
[01:54] <thoreauputic> yes, 3 gig is a pretty tight squeeze after a base install of 1.7G
[01:55] <error_29> I've found, Seveas, that linux installers sometimes take issue with partitions as set up by partition magic, but I'm out of date on this stuff
[01:55] <thoreauputic> Seveas: yes, I know - if he can afford Partition MAgic ;)
[01:55] <Seveas> error_29, never had that problem with recent PQmagic
[01:55] <criscros> hi all
[01:55] <Seveas> thoreauputic, that's the only problem: it's either expensive or illegal
[01:55] <error_29> I don't suppose say, QTparted as used by SimplyMepis or other live CDs could do it?
[01:56] <thoreauputic> Seveas: yeah
[01:56] <criscros> can anyone help me?
[01:56] <Seveas> criscros, depends on the problem
[01:56] <Bauhn> i dont want to ruin anything on this drive.. if i do, i'm screwed ;P
[01:56] <thoreauputic> criscros: no, sorry, you're beyond help (j/k)
[01:57] <Seveas> lol thoreauputic :p
[01:57] <criscros> yesterday i've installed with the .sh in the forum mplayer
[01:57] <chrissturm> hey guys! is there an app available in ubuntu that automatically corrects id3 tags of mp3s?
[01:57] <St3althcAt> hello, I'm having some problems with GRUB on my Athlon 64 based system. GRUB simply hangs up and I need Linux for University works! :\ Can someone help me? Thanks. More details on pvt!
[01:57] <criscros> but today at the boot of the machine doesnt work audio
[01:57] <error_29> well, Bauhn, in that case, you've got to back it up, regardless of whether you're going to install another OS or not
[01:57] <Seveas> criscros, why some weird shellscript, if you can simply install it from a repository???
[01:58] <St3althcAt> hello, I'm having some problems with GRUB on my Athlon 64 based system. GRUB simply hangs up and I need Linux for University works! :\ Can someone help me? Thanks. More details on pvt!
[01:58] <thoreauputic> Bauhn: another solution is to get a second-hand hard drive and put Ubuntu on that
[01:58] <Bauhn> thoreauputic sounds like a good idea ;P
[01:58] <criscros> i dont know..im just a newbie, but the audio now is f*cked off.
[01:58] <St3althcAt> by the way, I tried to install Ubunto 5.04 preview
[01:59] <thoreauputic> Bauhn: just remember Windows likes to be the master drive ;)
[01:59] <Seveas> criscros, since we don'y know the script, there probably isn't too much we can do
[01:59] <djst> criscros:  what's the problem?
[01:59] <Seveas> where is this script located?
[01:59] <Bauhn> thoreauputic ok, i'kk remember that
[01:59] <Bauhn> thanks for the help everyone
[01:59] <criscros> Seveas, the script is here http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=9850&page=5&pp=10
[02:00] <criscros> djst,  now my ubuntu linux doesnt play any sounds
[02:00] <thoreauputic> Bauhn: windows thinks it is alone in the universe, and is blind to Linux :)
[02:00] <St3althcAt> can someone help me please?
[02:00] <St3althcAt> :'(
[02:01] <johso> St3althcAt, sorry...
[02:01] <St3althcAt> :\
[02:01] <thoreauputic> St3althcAt: hard to say - our psychic powers are strained at the moment
[02:01] <St3althcAt> ok ok...
[02:01] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> hmm, my CPU is running at 1GHz instead of 2.2GHz for some reason.. power saving ?
[02:01] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> I didn't think my motherboard even supported that
[02:01] <St3althcAt> i've searched forums where ppl as the same problem, and no one can answer
[02:01] <error_29> good luck Bauhn, the second drive option is the best, but you should have windows install cd handy, just in case you have problems dual booting, so you can use the "fixmbr" option in windows repair.  That saved me a couple of times.
[02:02] <SiRrUs> St3althcAt are you sure your cd is good
[02:02] <thoreauputic> St3althcAt: just ask - don't ask to ask
[02:02] <sal002> Is there a bug report for the iptables bug?
[02:02] <mattgirv> dammit
[02:02] <mattgirv> where is libxml-2.0.pc or whatever ( im trying to install XFCE 4.2)
[02:02] <mattgirv> nm
[02:03] <Bauhn> error_29 chkdsk have saved me many times to ;P
[02:03] <FallenHitokiri> mattgirv: you need some files from hoary to install XFCE4.2 from osworks
[02:03] <St3althcAt> well yeah CD is good, Ubuntu installs ok, in the end computer restars. when it boots up, it appears on the screen "Grub 1.xx Setup" or whatever and in the other line it show "Grub Loading". The computer hangs out. I have Athlon 64 3200+, Motherboard ASUS A8V Deluxe
[02:03] <mattgirv> yeah... -dev files they are :)
[02:03] <mattgirv> ive found them :D
[02:04] <St3althcAt> sorry if my english is not the best ;P
[02:04] <error_29> thoreauputic, stop bashing windows in front of the kids.  All the great little open source apps ported to windows that I have sucking the WinXp teat get confused by such comments, and start fretting that they were adopted... ;)
[02:05] <St3althcAt> when I try other distros that use LILO, LILO hangs up too!
[02:05] <thoreauputic> error_29: by a wicked stepmother? *grin*
[02:06] <St3althcAt> well the problem is that :P
[02:06] <sal002> Anyone else have problems installing latest iptables in warty?
[02:06] <mattgirv> YAY YAY XFCE 4.2 YAY YAY
[02:06] <mattgirv> :P
[02:07] <error_29> I like windowsXp.  There, I said.  And i'm glad!
[02:07] <thoreauputic> St3althcAt: maybe you have some odd BIOS settings?
[02:08] <criscros> so can anyone help me? i'm being stupid :|
[02:08] <thoreauputic> error_29: I weep for your lack of taste...
[02:09] <St3althcAt> I flashed the bios yesterday for the last final release, the only settings that are differente from the defaults is the ACPI 2.0 that is now enabled, Cool & Quiet now enabled and I've disabled integrated SATA Bootrom (my disc is ATA), Raid and Lan, because I don't use it
[02:09] <thoreauputic> az[a] zel_ubuntu: I think you'll find that will rise if you do something cpu intensive (compiling for example)
[02:09] <St3althcAt> the rest is on default
[02:09] <error_29> I didn't have to jump through hoops for an up to date version of firefox in windows xp, thoreauputic ...!
[02:10] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> thoreauputic, yeah I just found that :) cool, I wanted to know how to turn that on in my normal distro (mandrake), but seemed to hard to setup.. but it just works in ubuntu and I never even noticed, heh
[02:10] <thoreauputic> error_29: that's funny, I didn't either... I just typed ./firefox-installer, I seem to recall ;)
[02:10] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> thoreauputic, but lets say I do want to run flat out all the time, is there a way to do that?
[02:11] <error_29> or office 2000, or to get video lan client working well, etc.  Windows for me is just the nasty landlord.  The tenants are pretty cool
[02:11] <thoreauputic> az[a] zel_ubuntu: probably. but I don't know what you'd edit to achieve it
[02:11] <St3althcAt> do anyone know how to solve my problem! :P
[02:11] <error_29> yeah thoreauputic , that command just instantly pops into the brain of a new user
[02:12] <thoreauputic> error_29: The instructions are on the site, I believe
[02:12] <error_29> oops, I meant open office 2, not office 2000 !
[02:13] <error_29> thoreauputic, stop please.  The only point I was trying to make is that people are better evangelists when they don't cut down folks prior environment or experience
[02:13] <thoreauputic> error_29: I understand your point - I'm just being a stubborn Linux zealot ;)
[02:13] <thoreauputic> error_29: I'm not being serious at all
[02:13] <error_29> yes, I know, but the zealotry doesn't serve linux, 'cause for many of us, multiple os's are simply a fact of life
[02:13] <mattgirv> Is XFCE4.2 an improvement over XFCE4?
[02:13] <mattgirv> It certainly looks fairly different.
[02:14] <St3althcAt> well, I'll stay here for a while waiting for an answer while I study a little :P
[02:14] <thoreauputic> error_29: *sigh* - I agree with you: I guess IRC isn't a good medium for facetious humour
[02:14] <mattgirv> its fine thoreauputic
[02:15] <mattgirv> you just have to have.... *sarcasm* linux sucks *sarcasm*
[02:15] <mattgirv> or whatever :P
[02:15] <SiRrUs> St3althcAt I did a search in the ubuntu forums and found this take a look www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=9071&highlight=grub+hangs+athlon+64
[02:15] <error_29> and, thoreauputic , i'm really really grateful to people who have troubled themselves to port stuff to windows.  As I'm grateful to you for helping out us noobs.
[02:16] <thoreauputic> error_29: sure, I remember you were thanking me the other day - i appreciate it. I'm not always in top form, I'm afraid :/
[02:16] <error_29> hah hah, sorry thoreauputic !  I'm not really that humorless; I'm just anxious about
[02:16] <error_29> my coming ordeal in setting up a dual boot on a new laptop.
[02:16] <St3althcAt> SiRrUs Thanks! :D
[02:17] <SiRrUs> any time
[02:17] <_ToNhO_> Some one Brazilian here?
[02:17] <St3althcAt> nope
[02:17] <St3althcAt> but I'm Portuguese Tonho :P
[02:17] <johso> oh well, I think I'll just reinstall my warty here, think I've screwed it to much up ;)
[02:17] <thoreauputic> error_29: backups are the most important thing - I stuffed up my first dual-boot attempt, but it wasn't a disaster because I had my important things on floppy (yeah, it was a while ago...)
[02:18] <_ToNhO_> St3althcAt: ohh cool you know more brazilians here or use the Ubuntu/
[02:18] <St3althcAt> nope, first time on the channel
[02:18] <_ToNhO_> oh
[02:19] <error_29> floppy!  (thoreauputic, I have a feeling you may think windows is still windows 3.1 -- --grin-- --har har-- grin--- big smiley...!
[02:19] <_ToNhO_> St3althcAt: i have a channel UbuntuBR do you want join?
[02:19] <thoreauputic> _ToNhO_, St3althcAt, there's a #ubuntu-pt (but not many people)
[02:19] <error_29> thoreauputic, I backup everything to gmail now!
[02:20] <thoreauputic> error_29: well, this was win98 SE, actually, so not quite *that* old ;)
[02:20] <_ToNhO_> thoreauputic: thaks is better than my channel
[02:20] <St3althcAt> ok I'll go there :P
[02:20] <mattgirv> what wm's / de's do you all use?
[02:21] <thoreauputic> mattgirv: most would be using metacity+gnome (ubuntu default)
[02:21] <mattgirv> yeah
[02:21] <thoreauputic> mattgirv: I also use fluxbox
[02:21] <error_29> johso, a screwed up warty is an awful thing, but a virginal warty upgraded to hoary is pretty cool.  For some reason, i couldn't get a hoary install working from disk, but upgrading warty has been sweet
[02:21] <mattgirv> ah ok
[02:21] <mattgirv> i used to use amiwm :P
[02:22] <_ToNhO_> Ubuntu have many people
[02:22] <St3althcAt> SiRrUs, the problem is that LILO won't work too! :(
[02:22] <thoreauputic> mattgirv: you can use anything you wish, really - but GDM is a bit unintuitive to set up for multiple WMs
[02:23] <_ToNhO_> GDM Owns
[02:23] <mattgirv> better than... xdm :p
[02:23] <SiRrUs> St3althcAt read the link i pasted for you that was mentioned by a couple of people, not sure if anyone found a great solution tho
[02:23] <thoreauputic> _ToNhO_: hmm... i disagree
[02:23] <thoreauputic> KDm is easier to use
[02:23] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> mattgirv, KDE normally, but I'm pretty impressed with Gnome 2.10 and ubuntu.. thinking of switching..
[02:23] <_ToNhO_> mattgirv: ohh he is but kdm me too is ugly
[02:24] <_ToNhO_> I prefer GDM is more beatiful than KDM
[02:24] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> KDE seems faster, but gnome feels more polished
[02:24] <thoreauputic> _ToNhO_: gdm can look pretty - but try setting it up for more than 2 window manager options
[02:24] <mattgirv> I always found KDE to be slower
[02:24] <mattgirv> :(
[02:24] <_ToNhO_> I dont like KDE is much winuser
[02:24] <error_29> I agree ToNho, but I dislike metacity, and I love kde's browser and applets and kicker
[02:25] <MyKq3> hello
[02:25] <thoreauputic> mattgirv: KDE is much quicker than it used to be
[02:25] <error_29> it doesn't have to be, ToNho
[02:25] <mattgirv> well last version i used was... 3.2
[02:25] <mattgirv> i really didnt enjoy it, the worst thing is that fecking control panel that hasnt been updated since KDE 1.x :P
[02:25] <MyKq3> i have just installed Ubuntu but for some resone he don't load my X server ... ( its hoary )
[02:25] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> after getting an Apple laptop and OS X, I started becoming dissapointed with KDE (on my x86 desktop)
[02:26] <MyKq3> can someone help me .... do u know whats the problem ?
[02:26] <_ToNhO_> ohh my Distribution Linux have the base with GTK
[02:26] <St3althcAt> well, I'm gonna study and I'll try to do what they suggest on the link later
[02:26] <mattgirv> MyKq3, care to elaborate a bit?
[02:26] <St3althcAt> thanks for the help! :D
[02:26] <St3althcAt> cya
[02:26] <thoreauputic> az[a] zel_ubuntu: well, GNOME is in many ways more "apple like"
[02:26] <_ToNhO_> study
[02:26] <error_29> What I hate about kde is that it seems like -- Everything-- has to be themed to death, little popup info windows with the full border title bar business, annoying overkill
[02:26] <_ToNhO_> ohh
[02:26] <mattgirv> Bye St3althcAt
[02:26] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> thoreauputic, yeah, which is why I've become a bit more interested in gnome
[02:27] <mattgirv> I think GNOME is just more polished full stop,
[02:27] <knucks> who has had luck setting up an ipod on linux and can really help?
[02:27] <MyKq3> i wish i could... i just don't know whats the problem
[02:27] <thoreauputic> error_29: if you dig deep enough, a lot of KDE stuff can be turned off - but I like fluxbox :)
[02:27] <Aron> okay, that did NOT go well
[02:27] <error_29> it's more polished, but there's less to polish.  little things.  Screenshot app, mixer etc
[02:28] <Aron> Grub is now giving me Error 15 and I can't even boot my system. I installed another boot manager so I could install, now I need to rescue it.
[02:28] <xav> when should hoary be released ? in one or two months?
[02:28] <thoreauputic> I find it's harder to customise a lot of things in gnome....
[02:28] <Aron> I'm in Windows right now, I need to back up the data on my Home partition
[02:28] <error_29> I LOVED using kicker in gnome, but it's busted now.  I think "kubuntu" has harmed it somehow...
[02:28] <MyKq3> mattgirv,  all i have done was to dl the image from the site and install it... i have P3 with nVIdia 32M
[02:28] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> I don't like the "take screenshot..." option in the menu.. I mean, how often do people take screenshots? it should be a separate app, or a hot key combo
[02:28] <mattgirv> I thought Hoary was going to be released this month
[02:28] <thoreauputic> xav: mid April
[02:28] <xav> thoreauputic: k
[02:28] <criscros> anyone can help me with an audio problem please? :(
[02:29] <_ToNhO_> Guys i love this Ubuntu my second day in him and have all, all drivers function and have goooood velox and Stability
[02:29] <error_29> you see, folks, you see??  I'm not the only person Grub hates!
[02:29] <xav> so I should use warty right now ?
[02:29] <mattgirv> MyKq3, did you download Warty or Hoary?
[02:29] <MyKq3> hoary mattgirv
[02:29] <mattgirv> Try Warty
[02:29] <Aron> Can anyone point me to a way to get into Ubuntu so I can back up my data?
[02:29] <mattgirv> See if that works for you
[02:29] <f0sco> hi, guys
[02:29] <mattgirv> Warty is the current stable version
[02:29] <xav> there is no way to downgrade hoary?
[02:29] <_ToNhO_> f0sco: hi brazilian
[02:30] <mattgirv> xav: Hmm
[02:30] <error_29> As a newbie learning ubuntu, and trying to help a friend by email who was also installing it, i found the screenshot app a godsend
[02:30] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> hmm I thought hoary would be in a couple of weeks, max... the live cd seemed pretty stable
[02:30] <f0sco> _ToNhO_: happens to be im not Brazilian :)
[02:30] <knucks> how do i give 777 rights to my user object 'knucks' on a mounted drive?
[02:30] <error_29> but kde's is vastly better.
[02:30] <thoreauputic> xav: it's possible, but difficult and messy
[02:30] <MyKq3> mattgirv,  i have installed it 4 mounth ago it worked fine ...
[02:30] <mattgirv> Maybe add Warty repos. and just replace EVERYTHING
[02:30] <_ToNhO_> f0sco: fosco is a word in brazil =D
[02:30] <mattgirv> MyKq3, stick with Warty then in all honesty,
[02:30] <thoreauputic> mattgirv: not a good idea...
[02:30] <mattgirv> :p
[02:30] <MyKq3> okay mattgirv  thanks...
[02:31] <mattgirv> thoreauputic, didnt say it would be as simple as that
[02:31] <f0sco> _ToNhO_: omg, what is the meaning of that word?
[02:31] <mattgirv> MyKq3, no problem.
[02:31] <Aron> Guys?
[02:31] <_ToNhO_> knucks: i prefer 666 is the Debian =D
[02:31] <MyKq3> is there any way to uninstall the GRUB ...
[02:31] <Aron> I really need to get my stuff back...
[02:31] <Riddell> error_29: unlikely that kubuntu has broken it but kicker has been changed internally a lot for KDE 3.4
[02:31] <xav> I have to download a warty install cd then
[02:31] <Riddell> error_29: in what way is it now broken?
[02:31] <mattgirv> MyKq3, why do you want to uninstall GRUB?
[02:31] <knucks> is anyone using an ipod w/ ubuntu?
[02:31] <ewhitten> knucks:  yup
[02:31] <knucks> ewhitten: care to share how u set it up?
[02:31] <MyKq3> cuse i want to remove Ubuntu till hoary will get out
[02:31] <_ToNhO_> f0sco: is ahh umm i don't know some to speak in english
[02:31] <zhukov_> hello
[02:32] <knucks> it was working for me, but now i cant seem to get songs on it
[02:32] <zhukov_> nedd some help :P
[02:32] <error_29> Riddell, I say broken, meaning for the way i want to use it, which perhaps was nuts to begin with--
[02:32] <MyKq3> .... os i don't need the GRUB ....
[02:32] <mattgirv> Hmm, I take it you have it dual boot with Windows?
[02:32] <error_29> maybe this is a feature others want, but i think it's nuts
[02:32] <MyKq3> yeah
[02:32] <ewhitten> knucks:  what are you using to see your songs?
[02:32] <knucks> gtkpod
[02:32] <mattgirv> MyKq3, boot from a Windows boot floppy or whatever
[02:32] <error_29> to have fully themed, and buggy pop up windows over the buttons
[02:32] <mattgirv> and type fixmbr
[02:32] <ewhitten> is the ipod mounting alright?
[02:32] <mattgirv> that should work
[02:32] <error_29> that do nothing but tell you what the window is for
[02:33] <MyKq3> thanks
[02:33] <f0sco> ok, one Q: how come Nautilus doesn't show metadata of mp3's? Is it a normal behavior?
[02:33] <knucks> ewhitten..it opens up
[02:33] <error_29> a normal mouseover could do that
[02:33] <zhukov_> Trying to configure a bootsplash, but the site with the tut is down...I've installed the kernel patch, and all is good, but then i must add some lines to grub, and i dont know exactly how to add them in the conf file...anyone can help please?
[02:33] <knucks> seems to work
[02:33] <Riddell> error_29: the tooltips rule, everyone likes them
[02:33] <knucks> it mounts as /media/GRANT DOBSO
[02:33] <_ToNhO_> hahah
[02:33] <just_> Someone now if the nvidia driver problem with kernel-2.6.10 has been fixed ?
[02:33] <haapamik> hoary-amd64 and blackbox wm is very fast ... just testing ubuntu
[02:33] <xav> and if I install warty, what will happen when hoary is released?
[02:33] <thoreauputic> error_29: you sound like a good candidate for fluxbox: you can set a key combo to toggle "window decorations" ;-)
[02:34] <ewhitten> knucks:  right.   have you tried using rhythmbox?
[02:34] <knucks> no
[02:34] <_ToNhO_> just, i think so
[02:34] <error_29> Riddell, you mean these popups, with a title bar and everything?  Why??? wasteful, unnecessary.
[02:34] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> ermm apt just downloaded a package called "bicyclerepair".. heh.. nfi what that is
[02:34] <ewhitten> knucks:  i'm sort of guessing here, as it "just worked" for me. :)
[02:34] <zhukov_> Help!...
[02:34] <error_29> well, there's no accounting for taste, but it's that kind of design that makes me prefer gnome
[02:34] <xav> just_: I don't think so, madwifi is still borken. there is know update about linux-image or linux-restricted-module
[02:34] <HAL_9000> Do anyone know some Open Source FTP library?
[02:34] <xav> just_: and its still in topic so
[02:34] <knucks> oh i see :/
[02:34] <error_29> even though kde is much better in other ways
[02:34] <thoreauputic> az[a] zel_ubuntu:  apt-cache show bicyclerepair :)
[02:35] <erwin_> this is just a test
[02:35] <erwin_> :-)
[02:35] <just_> xav: oops sorry :)
[02:35] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> wow it's a python refactoring tool... would never have guessed
[02:36] <just_> and compiling nvidia-kernel-source does not work for me with 2.6.11
[02:36] <agabus> could someone help me get rhythmbox working with mp3's. please not i already have totem running fine with mp3s
[02:36] <xav> just_: you may need some patch
[02:36] <error_29> I don't have a problem with window decorations; I have a problem with the way kde themes every damn element!
[02:36] <xav> agabus: which problem?
[02:36] <thoreauputic> az[a] zel_ubuntu: hehe - I saw an acronym page that said JAVA stands for "Just Another Vague Acronym" so $deity knows what bicyclerepair comes from ;)
[02:37] <agabus> xav - well when i open an mp3 file with rhythmbox, it doesn't do anything at all
[02:37] <f0sco> some, please enlighten me: dose nautilus show mp3 ID3 tag info in file properties?
[02:37] <thoreauputic> agabus: sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[02:37] <error_29> for example, awesome thing in ubuntu gnome:  the calandar app, the way that pops up, without being fully themed.  Quick, works, undistracting.  Nice!
[02:38] <xav> agabus: all mp3 and only mp3? ogg work fine?
[02:38] <agabus> thoreauputic - yeh i'm quite certain thats the file i installed to get totem playing mp3s
[02:38] <xav> agabus: check it
[02:38] <agabus> k i just gotta wait for it to finish updating (1 minute to go)
[02:38] <error_29> hah hah, I've wondered through several installs what the hell bicycle-repair was!  I figured maybe it was some obscure emacs file or something...
[02:39] <scandium> just_, what version? new drivers were released yesterday
[02:39] <just_> scandium:  1.0.6629-0ubuntu
[02:39] <knucks> how do i open /etc/fstab?
[02:40] <tOpi^> cd /etc/fstab
[02:40] <mattgirv> knucks... "sudo gedit /etc/fstab"
[02:40] <thoreauputic> knucks: sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[02:40] <mattgirv> :)
[02:40] <Digis> hi, I have a little problem with starting firefox, in console it says: relocation error: /usr/lib/libgconf-2.so.4: undefined symbol: CORBA_exception_init
[02:40] <mattgirv> oi thoreauputic !
[02:40] <mattgirv> :(
[02:40] <mattgirv> lol
[02:40] <scandium> just_, ah ok...nvidia released 7167 yesterday, perhaps you have more luck with those
[02:40] <flevour> hi all
[02:40] <thoreauputic> mattgirv: I won ;)
[02:41] <just_> scandium: I suppose thaht they aren't yet packaged ?
[02:41] <mattgirv> mattgirv knucks... "sudo gedit /etc/fstab"
[02:41] <mattgirv> thoreauputic knucks: sudo gedit /etc/fsta
[02:41] <mattgirv> :D
[02:41] <knucks> yeh thanks
[02:41] <mattgirv> i won
[02:41] <thoreauputic> mattgirv: ah - lag
[02:41] <mattgirv> lol
[02:41] <thoreauputic> here it's the opposite order :)
[02:41] <flevour> i am having problems with xmms: if i select alsa plugin xmms plays the song but doesnt output any sound if i select oss plugin it freezes. gnome can produce sound output
[02:41] <mattgirv> lets just say.. draw :D
[02:41] <f0sco>  can anyone, please, check if on your systems Nautilus shows mp3 file ID3 info in properties?
[02:42] <thoreauputic> mattgirv: OK :)
[02:42] <Xappe> flevour, choose the esd sound output
[02:42] <mattgirv> thoreauputic, you might be able to help Aron
[02:42] <Digis> f0sco no
[02:42] <f0sco> Digis: thanx
[02:42] <mattgirv> he is having trouble with his bootloader
[02:43] <thoreauputic> mattgirv: hmm... I'm not a bootloader expert I'm afraid
[02:43] <f0sco> now the question is how to solve this issue, do I need to instaal something - then what?
[02:43] <mattgirv> heh you are better than me
[02:43] <mattgirv> im a noob :P
[02:43] <thoreauputic> especially not GRUB
[02:43] <agabus> ok people, yes i do have gstreamer0.8-mad installed
[02:44] <xav> agabus: launch it with rhythmbox -d in console. and try to open ur mp3
[02:44] <knucks> what di u type in to see all my drives, mountded and all
[02:44] <_ToNhO_> today is dai of 56k =(
[02:44] <flevour> Xappe, great :p
[02:44] <_ToNhO_> *day
[02:45] <agabus> what does -d do?
[02:45] <xav> debug
[02:45] <xav> knucks: mount df ?
[02:45] <f0sco> knucks: at consoele mount
[02:45] <_ToNhO_> going do lag in brasnet
[02:45] <mattgirv> Has anyone seen the Mplayer site
[02:45] <mattgirv> :(
[02:45] <agabus> ok.. i seems to be playing the files now?
[02:45] <mattgirv> Bastard authorities
[02:45] <superted> where can i view the status of my langauges installer .po file?
[02:46] <thoreauputic> mattgirv: it's mostly a political statement - you can still access the site
[02:46] <mattgirv> yeah i know
[02:46] <just_> FYI nvidia drivers works for me, with the latest kernel package: "linux-image-2.6.10-4-amd64-k8 / 2.6.10-27"
[02:47] <fabbione> yes that is supposed to fix it
[02:47] <agabus> ok so i've worked out that rhythmbox isn't playing mp3's when i try to play them from smb
[02:47] <xav> haa
[02:48] <jdub> mattgirv: have you called your local representative?
[02:48] <xav> what r u doing it from smb anyway? no place on ur hard drive?
[02:48] <mattgirv> nope
[02:48] <mattgirv> :p
[02:48] <jdub> mattgirv: go for it, you need to let them know why patents are hurting us
[02:48] <xav> well topic should be edited then
[02:49] <mattgirv> lol yeah
[02:49] <flevour> Xappe, thanks for the fast hint, i have tried all different combos for alsa and oss and lfet apart the esound one :p
[02:49] <agabus> xav - i store my mp3 collection on my server, not my local disc. why does linux have such problems with smb?
[02:49] <mattgirv> hey is it possible to uninstall openoffice1 (i have oo2 installed) safely.. it said something like ubuntu-blahblah relies on it :/ :(
[02:49] <xav> you didn't say there was no problem without rhythmbox?
[02:49] <Aron> Can anybody help me out? I need to back up my Home partition because Ubuntu won't boot and I need to format :(
[02:50] <xav> agabus: rhythmbox is like ubuntu, not really bug free :)
[02:50] <agabus> xav - yeh, smb browsing with linux i've found has many problems
[02:50] <Xappe> flevour, hehe, well...the other way is to kill your sound daemon
[02:50] <kent> Aron, why wont it boot?
[02:50] <agabus> the new ubuntu preview is the first time i've even been able to actually browse my server by going into 'network servers'
[02:50] <just_> thank you xav and scandium
[02:50] <just_> bye
[02:50] <jdub> mattgirv: ubuntu-desktop is just a metapackaa
[02:50] <jdub> metapackage
[02:51] <mattgirv> ok so it is safe to remove openoffice?
[02:51] <xav> agabus: ha :)
[02:51] <jdub> mattgirv: yes
[02:51] <mattgirv> awesome
[02:51] <mattgirv> :)
[02:51] <agabus> xav - but that's most likely a gnome fix anyways with the new gnome 2.10
[02:51] <xav> agabus: well its right that samba is not easy to configure
[02:51] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> who else is running AMD64 version of Ubuntu? I'm thinking if I move to ubuntu permanently, I might run 32bit ver instead (so I can easily get firefox plugins, etc)
[02:52] <xav> agabus: it worked for me in previous version too, but maybe its better in 2.10
[02:52] <mattgirv> yay 100mb of space now
[02:52] <xav> agabus: which os is your server running?
[02:52] <agabus> xav - yeh, the pretty much 1 reason from stopping me from converting to ubuntu/gnome is that i can't browse my windows shares on other computers in my lan properly
[02:52] <error_29> Hmm, I've had no problems browsing my lan, backing up files to and from windows partitions, without Samba
[02:52] <agabus> my server in running w2k
[02:52] <heze> ahh, new kernel. coolness.
[02:53] <xav> why?
[02:53] <xav> you use ubuntu for desktop and w2k for server ? its quite strange
[02:53] <error_29> When I did install Samba before, then I had problems
[02:53] <heze> i do the other way around =)
[02:53] <mattgirv> does anyone have an ati card here? if so can you tell me the easiest way to install my drivers... i have had a lot of problems doing so the last day or two :(
[02:53] <heze> mattgirv, what kernel are you running?
[02:54] <mattgirv> 2.6.10-4-386
[02:54] <agabus> yeh well my dad doesn't want to put linux on it for some reason. i think he believes linux isn't ready for a server yet the dumbass
[02:54] <mattgirv> the default hoary one i think
[02:54] <xav> mattgirv: update now
[02:54] <mattgirv> ?
[02:54] <heze> mattgirv, somebody had problems with the 386 version, try 686
[02:54] <xav> it was broken
[02:54] <mattgirv> well in updates, its got another kernel there but its 386
[02:55] <mattgirv> shall i just download the 686 kernel
[02:55] <mattgirv> (or K7 even seeing as i have amd)
[02:55] <knucks> im having trouble getting my ipod to work
[02:55] <knucks> i get an error in gtkpod
[02:55] <error_29> agabus, do a screenshot of ubuntu, set it as wallpaper on your dad's machine, hide all icons, and hide the taskbar
[02:55] <error_29> er, maybe you shouldn't really do that../
[02:55] <geewz> hell
[02:55] <geewz> hell OH
[02:55] <xav> mattgirv: I think its better to use k7 or i686 than i386
[02:55] <mattgirv> or even better, boot the pc from a linux live cd
[02:55] <mattgirv> :D
[02:56] <mattgirv> xav, ok mate :)
[02:56] <agabus> error_29 - or maybe i should wipe windows and install ubuntu and see what he says then
[02:56] <heze> agabus, why would you wanna do that? :)
[02:56] <error_29> please don't.  We don't want to see the two of you on Judge Judy
[02:56] <xav> agabus: good idea
[02:56] <agabus> lol
[02:56] <mattgirv> 2.6.11-1-k7 be ok?
[02:56] <GFXstyLER> hi there
[02:56] <xav> mattgirv: is there restriced-module for it ?
[02:57] <mdblitz1> you know that she pays all the fines for the person that loses?
[02:57] <mattgirv> no
[02:57] <xav> mattgirv: I would wait for 2.6.11 to be linked by linux metapackage
[02:57] <mattgirv> ok
[02:57] <xav> take linux-686 or k7
[02:57] <agabus> the reason he doesn't want to put linux as the server is because he thinks we won't be able to setup the print server like it is on windows. and since we play music from the server sometimes with friends around he thinks we won't be able to do that
[02:58] <MyKq3> mattgirv,  :) whats up again ... my windows startup disk didn't recognized the : fixmbr: coomand
[02:58] <MyKq3> .... mattgirv  any othere ideal :)
[02:58] <mattgirv> oh i thought you were using xp
[02:58] <heze> agabus, well it's definitely not as easy with samba as it is with windows for a guy that's used to win
[02:58] <mattgirv> you do that from the recovery console
[02:58] <kresten> I've got a problem with Ubuntu and my internet connection. Can any body help me?
[02:58] <xav> agabus: linux is a powerful server, I don't see the problem. it'll work fine if its well configured. just check that ur printer is well supported
[02:58] <mattgirv> someone else will have to verify this but i think its like... format /mbr
[02:59] <mattgirv> on say... a 98 boot floppy or whatever
[02:59] <MyKq3> mattgirv,  i m useing Xp
[02:59] <error_29> kresten, you'll need to be more specific
[02:59] <heze> xav, for example, i can't mount my smb shares on my ubuntu for _some_ reason that i can't figure out. winxp can mount that same share.
[02:59] <mattgirv> well boot from the xp cd
[02:59] <agabus> xav - yeh i know, i'll prove it to him soneday soon enough. but for now im goin to bed
[02:59] <mattgirv> when it says you can use recovry console, do that, and then type fixmbr there
[02:59] <mattgirv> :)
[02:59] <agabus> cya'll
[02:59] <MyKq3> thanks
[02:59] <error_29> recovery console, "fixmbr"
[02:59] <mattgirv> ok xav i am downloading this kernel.. it will install it fine yes?
[02:59] <mattgirv> MyKq3, no problem :)
[03:00] <xav> mattgirv: hope so
[03:00] <Xappe> MyKq3, fdisk /mbr
[03:00] <mattgirv> xav, shit so do i :)
[03:00] <mattgirv> Xappe, nah he says he is using XP
[03:00] <mattgirv> so its best to use the recovery console - then fixmbr
[03:00] <xav> heze: I had some troubles too
[03:00] <heze> xav, got an easy solution? :)
[03:00] <Xappe> mattgirv, ok, but if the xp cd does not work, he could use a dos floppy
[03:00] <xav> not really
[03:01] <mattgirv> Xappe, yeah :)
[03:01] <xav> heze: did u try linneighborhood or something like that ? :)
[03:01] <mattgirv> right xav it has installed do i just reboot now
[03:01] <mattgirv> ?
[03:01] <kresten> error_29: Well, my problem is, that i can connect to the other computers in my network, through my router. But not to the internet... The other computers (windows machines) works fine though...
[03:01] <xav> mattgirv: yep :)
[03:01] <heze> xav, umm nope. smb:// works in nautilus fine but mount -t smbfs wont mount the shares, kernel says some weird error for that
[03:01] <mattgirv> right if im not back within 5 minutes... i want the room silent followed by everyone typing ":'("
[03:01] <mattgirv> :P
[03:02] <mattgirv> ok brb
[03:02] <xav> heze: try googling the error if you didnt already do it
[03:02] <Xappe> mattgirv, I think mdk has a nice "restore the windows mbr"-function on their install cd too
[03:02] <heze> xav, actually i didn't i just wanna complain since things don't work out of the box :)
[03:03] <xav> lol
[03:03] <error_29> kresten, warty or hoary?  I've found that sometimes with hoary I have to reboot to get the internet connection going; I'm using a router too
[03:03] <flevour> Xappe, now that xmms works, I'd like to get rhytmbox to work too. It doesnt recognize the mp3 format
[03:03] <kresten> warty
[03:03] <error_29> sorry, kresten, i don't know what to tell you, hopefully someone here may have some ideas
[03:04] <kresten> crud!
[03:04] <heze> kresten, are you using DHCP on your local network?
[03:04] <mattgirv> yay
[03:04] <mattgirv> :)
[03:04] <kresten> heze: yep!
[03:04] <flevour> Xappe, i have read around that i'd need gstramer-mp3 but i cant apt-get it
[03:04] <mattgirv> ok right i got to find a good guide to follow for installing the latest drivers from ati
[03:04] <mattgirv> :p
[03:04] <Xappe> flevour, try gstreamer-mad
[03:04] <heze> kresten, do you have a default gw route in your routing table?
[03:05] <mattgirv> xav can you recommend a guide to follow for the latest ATI drivers?
[03:05] <flevour> Xappe, its to the newset version too.
[03:05] <flevour> newest*
[03:05] <raydogg> I don't know if others have had any problems, but after a while, gnome has to be restarted ( control + alt + backspace ) because performance is very terrible... any fixes or causes or workarounds for this ?
[03:05] <xav> mattgirv: I don't know for ubuntu
[03:05] <mattgirv> ok
[03:05] <Xappe> flevour, gstreamer0.8-mad
[03:06] <flevour> Xappe, uhm, getting it
[03:06] <Xappe> flevour, and libmad0
[03:06] <kresten> heze: Don't really know...?!?! how do I check? (I've had linux running for 2 days now. so I'm pretty new to this world.)
[03:06] <Xer> hi
[03:07] <heze> kresten, wait some 3 minutes my irc is totally lagged while i download :P
[03:07] <Xer> Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
[03:07] <flevour> Xappe, great. hail to audio-xappe!
[03:07] <Xer> how i can fix this?
[03:07] <Xer> ;)
[03:07] <kresten> heze: OK.
[03:07] <scandium> kresten, netstat -r
[03:07] <ChaperonNoir> Sup everyone
[03:07] <Xappe> flevour, well ;)
[03:08] <Xer> could anyone answerone or guid me plz?
[03:08] <ChaperonNoir> Im running hoary with kde 3.4, i have no sound
[03:08] <Xer> kde?
[03:08] <ChaperonNoir> ;(
[03:08] <ChaperonNoir> yes
[03:08] <kresten> scandium, what do I look for?
[03:08] <Xer> can u tell me how to get it work with me
[03:08] <Xer> and wich files i need to download
[03:08] <Xer> :)
[03:08] <scandium> kresten, column "router" and the row "default"
[03:08] <raydogg> don't u get kbuntu or something of that nature for the kde version ?
[03:08] <ChaperonNoir> *cought* *cought* APT-get install kde
[03:09] <scandium> should be the ip address of your router
[03:09] <Xer> install driver
[03:09] <error_29> pre-kubuntu kde worked fine with ubuntu
[03:09] <Xer> Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
[03:09] <Xer> Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
[03:09] <Xer> Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
[03:09] <mattgirv> OMG IT IS WORKINGGGG
[03:09] <toni> What is the best gui for apache2? I have now webmin installed, but i want one that is only for apache, or has more apache settings
[03:09] <Xer> how could i fix this
[03:09] <Xer> ???????
[03:10] <mdblitz1> sounds bad...
[03:10] <scandium> kresten, oh sorry, with english locale it's called "gateway" and not "router"
[03:10] <kresten> scandium, There's no router collumn, but there's a Gateway collumn in whitch is has my rout.... Yea
[03:10] <scizzo> toni: gui? *shrug*
[03:10] <sal002> hmm..apt-get is seg faulting...that looks bad
[03:10] <scandium> kresten, sorry ;)
[03:10] <scizzo> sal002: what does it say?
[03:10] <kresten> scandium, no problem
[03:11] <kresten> What do I do then?
[03:11] <toni> program to edit configuration?
[03:11] <vince`> Xer: wrong root-partition setting in grub maybe? /boot/grub/grub.conf
[03:11] <sal002> scisso: Segmentation fault
[03:11] <Xer> ...
[03:11] <scizzo> toni: use the text editor...
[03:11] <sal002> Not much info - on any apt-get install
[03:11] <scizzo> sal002: GAH! the whole info please
[03:11] <mattgirv> ok
[03:11] <mdblitz1> whats a good ftp browser for linux? or should I just stick with the console version?
[03:11] <scandium> kresten, ok, maybe it's DNS then
[03:11] <mattgirv> i have installed the drivers... and changed the driver from ati > fglrx but its still running mesa GL
[03:11] <mattgirv> :/
[03:11] <Xer> i dont have grub.conf :S
[03:11] <scizzo> sal002: that is like walking to the docter and say "I hurt..."...yes..but what hurts? when do you hurt?
[03:12] <kresten> Scandium, what about it?
[03:12] <sal002> scisso: apt-get install gaim
[03:12] <toni> scizzo, i want to edit it from gui ;) i have webmin now.. i just hate editing it from text file...
[03:12] <mattgirv> mdblitz1, gftp?
[03:12] <sal002> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[03:12] <sal002>   evolution-data-server gaim libao2 libgtkspell0 libperl5.8 libsoup2.2-7
[03:12] <sal002>   libstartup-notification0
[03:12] <sal002> Segmentation fault
[03:12] <vince`> Xer: ah sorry, it's called menu.lst actually in ubuntu
[03:12] <Xer> can anyone answer me plz?
[03:12] <sal002> That is the whole info
[03:12] <mdblitz1> got me? I'll try
[03:12] <thoreauputic> mdblitz1: gftp
[03:12] <Xer> im in ubuntu :S
[03:12] <scizzo> sal002: and after Segmentation fault?
[03:12] <Xer> and i have the file menu.conf
[03:12] <mdblitz1> guess I need to install it first :P
[03:12] <Xer> i mean .lst
[03:12] <Xer> ;)
[03:13] <scandium> kresten, well, if gateway info is correct and you can connect to boxes on your lan but not surf the web, maybe it doesn't lookup host names correctly...try to ping an IP address, if that works, try a hostname
[03:13] <scizzo> sal002: have you changed the sources.list file? have you looked so that apt-get update is going through the links correct?
[03:13] <mattgirv> mdblitz1, yeah :) you have to install but i quite like gftp
[03:13] <Xer> i will past my menu.lst here
[03:13] <Xer> itle		Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.8.1-3-386
[03:13] <Xer> root		(hd1,1)
[03:13] <Xer> kernel		/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8.1-3-386 root=/dev/hdb2 ro quiet splash
[03:13] <Xer> initrd		/boot/initrd.img-2.6.8.1-3-386
[03:13] <Xer> savedefault
[03:13] <Xer> boot
[03:13] <vince`> Xer: try "update-grub" as root
[03:13] <Xer> title		Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.9
[03:13] <Xer> root		(hd1,1)
[03:13] <Xer> kernel		/boot/vmlinuz  root=/dev/hdb2 ro quiet splash
[03:13] <Xer> savedefault
[03:13] <Xer> boot
[03:13] <Xer> ...
[03:13] <Xer> Searching for splash image... none found, skipping...
[03:13] <Xer> Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz
[03:13] <scizzo> sal002: try to use apt-get -f install
[03:13] <Xer> Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz.old
[03:13] <Xer> Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.9
[03:13] <sal002> shell prompt
[03:13] <sal002> No, I have not changed it, and apt-get update functions correctly
[03:13] <thoreauputic> Xer: you were warned about pasting yesterday !!
[03:13] <Xer> Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8.1-3-386
[03:14] <Xer> Updating /boot/grub/menu.lst ... done
[03:14] <Xer> thanks :)
[03:14] <Xer> kik
[03:14] <Xer> lol
[03:14] <scizzo> sal002: try to run apt-get -f install
[03:14] <Xer> sorry , im trying my best to dont use [enter]  ;)
[03:14] <kresten> scandium, I've tried pinging but no luck... (only my local computers...)
[03:14] <sal002> scisso: same error..nothing more
[03:14] <scizzo> sal002: not apt-get -f install <application> just apt-get -f install
[03:14] <thoreauputic> Xer: have you learnt nothing?
[03:14] <sal002> eading Package Lists... Done
[03:14] <sal002> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[03:14] <sal002> Segmentation fault
[03:14] <thoreauputic> Xer: obviously not...
[03:14] <Xer> lol
[03:14] <mattgirv> I have managed to install my ATI drivers, and changed xorg.conf from "ati" to "fglrx" but my FPS still sucks, and it is still using MesaGL
[03:14] <mattgirv> :(
[03:14] <Xer> time to quit
[03:15] <Xer> brb
[03:15] <scizzo> sal002: sounds like something is really broken
[03:15] <Xer> rest to test kernel :D
[03:15] <scizzo> sal002: can you put the sources.list online?
[03:15] <sal002> scisso: Yeah...I'll try rebooting.  Last thing I did was install cvs.
[03:15] <Xappe> mattgirv, and you have the restricted modules package?
[03:16] <sal002> Let me just reboot and see what (if anything) that does.
[03:16] <mattgirv> Xappe, yes.
[03:16] <mattgirv> The drivers had no errors when installing this time
[03:16] <xav> did anyone try xantos ?
[03:17] <Xappe> mattgirv, and the right modules are loaded?
[03:17] <thoreauputic> xav: do you mean Xandros?
[03:17] <kresten> scandium: Could it be that I just have a lousy router?
[03:17] <arnaud__> salut
[03:18] <heze> kresten, do "ip route show". does it show a line with default gw bla bla?
[03:18] <mattgirv> yeah
[03:18] <mattgirv> brb one sec
[03:19] <kresten> scandium, It doesn't say "gw", but the other things...
[03:20] <heze> try to "ping x.y.z.w" where x.y.z.w is the ip address of the default thingie
[03:21] <kresten> scandium, will do...
[03:21] <scandium> kresten, it's heze talking to you now, not me ;)
[03:21] <xav> thoreauputic: omg yes
[03:21] <xav> lol
[03:21] <kresten> scandium, sorry bout that...
[03:21] <heze> scandium, shh i don't wanna see yellow lines ;)
[03:22] <navreet> hi, can anyone help me boot ubuntu?
[03:22] <sal002> scisso: Reboot fixed it...now to figure out my iptables upgrade problem
[03:22] <kresten> heze, It "pings fine"
[03:22] <heze> navreet, what seems to be the problem
[03:22] <heze> kresten, try to do: "traceroute 195.156.245.11"
[03:22] <xav> thoreauputic: you tried it?
[03:22] <heze> kresten, how "far" it goes w/o printing *   *   * ?
[03:23] <firdel> wheres the file i edit to change to servers the apt-get command uses ?
[03:23] <deFrysk> I noticed there is a kubunti section
[03:23] <Lourens> heze: make that tracepath instead of traceroute
[03:23] <navreet> I have a SATA drive, and I have ubuntu on /dev/sda2, but I can't seem to boot off of it, when I pass the line root=/dev/sda2 through grub, the screen says it can't find /dev/sda2...
[03:23] <deFrysk> is that a " kde " ubuntu ?
[03:23] <heze> lourens, why?
[03:23] <navreet> I am guessing the kernel sees it differently than I do
[03:23] <Lourens> firdel: /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:23] <firdel> ah
[03:23] <firdel> fanx
[03:23] <navreet> i didn't install grub on ubuntu install because I already had it
[03:23] <Lourens> traceroute doesn't exist on my Ubuntu...not sure about yours but...
[03:24] <heze> my ubuntu locks up so i can't check :P
[03:24] <heze> changed to 2.6.11 and now nv locks up X =(
[03:24] <kresten> heze, it doesn't reconize "traceroute"...
[03:24] <xav> hihi
[03:24] <deFrysk> anyone know of kubuntu ?
[03:24] <heze> kresten, change it to "tracepath ..."
[03:24] <deFrysk> is it worth testing ?
[03:24] <xav> no
[03:25] <navreet> heze, it's so sad that I've experience LOTS of linux/X lockups and only 1 XP lock.  linux stability seems to be a myth
[03:25] <thoreauputic> xav: sorry, was afk - no I haven't used Xandros
[03:25] <xav> navreet: on some box only
[03:25] <AndyR> afternoon all
[03:25] <xav> navreet: with some hardware
[03:25] <heze> navreet, it's more about how much experience you have with the environment.
[03:25] <Lourens> yeah, like anything with proprietary drivers...
[03:26] <kresten> heze, Well it just goes "no reply" after having pinged itself...
[03:26] <navreet> xav, I have good hardware, nvidia cards, turtle beach santacruz soundcard, etc.
[03:26] <xav> navreet: mobo?
[03:26] <heze> kresten, it seems like a problem with your router or a problem with the firewall on your ubuntu (did you set any?)
[03:26] <navreet> xav, Asus sk8v
[03:26] <Riddell> deFrysk: I know of kubuntu
[03:26] <tranceconscious> HEEEELP!!!!
[03:26] <thoreauputic> navreet: linux (the kernel) and the underlying system are stable, but X apps can cause lockups
[03:26] <xav> navreet: and u have a lot of crash with all distrib ?
[03:26] <navreet> xav, Via chipset
[03:26] <Lourens> heze: linux should just work though, it shouldn't require experience to get it to work...
[03:26] <heze> tranceconscious, don't scream you scare us away ;)
[03:27] <kresten> heze, nope haven't tampered with any firewall settings...
[03:27] <navreet> xav, not LOTS but I wouldn't call them "rare"
[03:27] <heze> lourens, well try putting yer mother to install winxp on a clean puter :P
[03:27] <deFrysk> navreet kt400 ? asrock ?
[03:27] <tranceconscious> I've managed to make my modem work. but i have a problem
[03:27] <Lourens> well, via chipsets are usually okay...I'd blame the nvidia stuff
[03:27] <heze> kresten, what router do you have?
[03:27] <navreet> thoreauputic, yeah... I think that's what happening, but I have no idea what's the cause :(
[03:27] <deFrysk> nvidia is not good on 2.6.11 kernels
[03:27] <punkrockguy318> How can I use the nvidia-glx 6111 driver in hoary?  The nvidia-glx driver supplied does not work with my card, due to a bug in the driver.  When I run the patched nvidia-glx installer for 6111, it will compile fine but won't load the module.  How can I load the 6111 nvidia-glx driver in hoary?
[03:27] <navreet> deFrysk, ?? http://usa.asus.com/products/mb/socket940/sk8v/overview.HTM
[03:27] <xav> deFrysk: it works well here
[03:27] <kresten> heze, an amitech.
[03:28] <navreet> deFrysk, I am running 2.6.9-ck3, i believe
[03:28] <heze> kresten, is it like a dsl router or...?
[03:28] <kresten> heze, danish company...
[03:28] <tranceconscious> it won't dial, and I think it's because I need to disable the "wait for dial tone before dialing". how do i do that????
[03:28] <deFrysk> xav 6111 version does not take on my 2.6.11
[03:28] <thoreauputic> navreet: drop to a console if you can ( ctrl-alt-F2 for instance) and run `top`  to see if something is hoogging resources, then kill it
[03:28] <deFrysk> so I have to use a 2.6.10 kernel
[03:28] <navreet> xav, I've experience lockups under debian and gentoo
[03:28] <Lourens> oh, by the way, the reason I came here was to ask how I add an entry in the Applications menu
[03:28] <Lourens> I'd like a "Development" folder
[03:29] <kresten> heze, yep. connected to the internet with a pppoe connection.
[03:29] <navreet> thoreauputic, usually it's a very hard lock, keyboard doesn't respond, etc.
[03:29] <navreet> thoreauputic, can't even ssh
[03:29] <deFrysk> navreet, with nvidia ?
[03:29] <thoreauputic> navreet: can you ssh in from the network?
[03:29] <heze> kresten, what's the ubuntu's ip address? (ip addr show)
[03:29] <thoreauputic> ah sorry
[03:29] <navreet> deFrysk, yeah
[03:29] <deFrysk> tnt 32 mev vid card navreet ?
[03:29] <deFrysk> 32meg
[03:29] <tranceconscious>  I need to disable the "wait for dial tone before dialing" on my modem. how do i do that????
[03:29] <tranceconscious>  I need to disable the "wait for dial tone before dialing" on my modem. how do i do that????
[03:29] <navreet> deFrysk, Geforce 5700 Ultra
[03:29] <tranceconscious>  I need to disable the "wait for dial tone before dialing" on my modem. how do i do that????
[03:30] <deFrysk> navreet, that one should work fine afaIk
[03:30] <thoreauputic> tranceconscious: don't repeat, please
[03:30] <johns^> tranceconscious: once is enough
[03:30] <Lourens> no idea tranceconscious...never used a phone modem on Linux...
[03:30] <kresten> heze, and where du I look?
[03:30] <navreet> deFrysk, I had a Geforce 2 GTS before too
[03:30] <xav> navreet: you have no idea what could cause hardlock ? can it lock with nv driver too ?
[03:31] <navreet> xav, dunno... it's not frequent these days (built a new system last year, the older one had a buggy northbridge)
[03:31] <deFrysk> dri turned off glx turned on in xorg.conf
[03:31] <navreet> deFrysk, yep
[03:31] <heze> kresten, is it public or private address, are you doing NAT on the router.. search for your network interface (probably eth0) and find a line with: "inet xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx/yy ..."
[03:31] <navreet> xav, dunno about the nv driver.. I do graphics programming, so it'd be REALLY annoying to switch back and forth
[03:32] <heze> xav, i just got locked with the nv driver
[03:32] <deFrysk> navreet, get the 6.111 might work fine
[03:32] <kresten> heze, It's 192.168.1.1/24
[03:32] <navreet> deFrysk, I am running 6629
[03:32] <xav> heze: because of it?
[03:32] <heze> kresten, hmm, are you absolutely sure you're running dhcp client on ubuntu? :)
[03:33] <xav> navreet: I see
[03:33] <punkrockguy318> deFrysk, you can't get the 6.111 in hoary...
[03:33] <deFrysk> punkrockguy318, is it still in warty ?
[03:33] <punkrockguy318> deFrysk, yes
[03:33] <heze> xav, well it hung right after login. i saw a half loaded desktop. this happened right after i rebooted to 2.6.11 from 2.6.10
[03:33] <deFrysk> punkrockguy318, then use the one in warty
[03:33] <navreet> alright so can anyone help me boot ubuntu? I can't seem to pass the right options onto my grub command, (the root is located on /dev/sda2, but the kernel can't find root on /dev/sda2)
[03:34] <firdel> i need a little help mounting a hd. its not in my computer yet, but its gonna be the PrimSlave. its allready formated, so only the mounting will be neccesary
[03:34] <punkrockguy318> deFrysk, how can you do that?  you need to recompile it for the right kernel...
[03:34] <kresten> heze, pretty sure. It got the right ip-address, and all...
[03:34] <png> hi all
[03:34] <heze> kresten, what's the ip address of the default route (ip route show)?
[03:34] <deFrysk> punkrockguy318, tru
[03:34] <heze> hi png, seen any jpg?
[03:34] <deFrysk> didnt think of that
[03:34] <punkrockguy318> deFrysk, see this is my problem... (scroll up)
[03:34] <png> he is at home
[03:35] <deFrysk> punkrockguy318, apt-get source -b perhaps ?
[03:35] <deFrysk> for recompiling
[03:35] <heze> xav, ahh it's only X that locks up, ping runs fine even after the lock up.
[03:35] <punkrockguy318> how would I do that?
[03:35] <punkrockguy318> deFrysk ^
[03:36] <deFrysk> punkrockguy318, add the warty repo incuding sources
[03:36] <Lourens> hmm, installing Glade actually seems to have given me a "Programming" menu entry under Applications...except it took a while to show up
[03:36] <deFrysk> apt-get source -b nvidia-kernel
[03:36] <deFrysk> and apt-get source - b nvidia-glx
[03:36] <deFrysk> use fakeroot
[03:37] <deFrysk> then dpkg -i blah
[03:38] <navreet> can anyone help me boot ubuntu? I can't seem to pass the right options onto my grub command, (the root is located on /dev/sda2, but the kernel can't find root on /dev/sda2)
[03:38] <kresten> heze, src 192.168.1.1 default via 192.168.1.254
[03:38] <Lourens> navreet: you said you are passing root=/dev/sda2 in grub
[03:38] <heze> navreet, kernel lacks the driver for your root's filesystem?
[03:38] <Sianis> hia all
[03:38] <Lourens> but can grub find the kernel image?
[03:38] <Lourens> what heze said is the other possible problem
[03:38] <deFrysk> Lourens, is correctly added in grub.conf yes
[03:38] <Lourens> the question is, does the kernel get loaded?
[03:39] <deFrysk> is = if
[03:39] <navreet> heze, no, I doubt it... I've booted it before (just don't remember how)
[03:39] <Sianis> can some1 speak hungaryan?
[03:39] <navreet> Lourens, deFrysk how can I solve this problem step by step?
[03:40] <heze> sianis, i can do finnish, would that be good enough? :)
[03:40] <Lourens> grub uses numbers to find disks...something like (0,1) for hda2
[03:40] <Sianis> heze i don't speak that :)
[03:40] <navreet> Lourens, but the parameters like root= are usually like /dev/hda2
[03:40] <kresten> heze, how do I set up an pppoe connection directly from my ubuntu machine? Is is the same as ppp?
[03:40] <navreet> or /dev/sda2
[03:40] <Lourens> we'd have to figure out what the proper numbers for /dev/sda1 is
[03:40] <heze> kresten, no it's pppoe ;)
[03:40] <Lourens> yes, but those are parameters to the kernel
[03:40] <Lourens> what happens at boot is that first grub gets started
[03:41] <Lourens> it allows you to select an OS
[03:41] <heze> kresten, i've no experience with pppoe but basically your router has done the pppoe connection and the computer behind it shouldn't need to worry about that.
[03:41] <Sianis> kresen, buy a router and all probleme is goint to the hell :)
[03:41] <Lourens> if it's Linux, grub will then get the kernel from the specified disk and partition, and start the kernel
[03:41] <heze> sianis, he has a router.
[03:41] <Lourens> that's the (0,0) option
[03:41] <Sianis> oh
[03:41] <navreet> Lourens, I think I can find the kernel... it even tab complete in grub
[03:41] <Lourens> then the kernel will try and find its filesystem root, which is passed to it via root=/dev/bla
[03:41] <navreet> Lourens, but I think the new kernel doesn't find the right partition
[03:41] <Sianis> so configure tham with a brosver
[03:42] <navreet> Lourens, right, and that last step fails
[03:42] <kresten> sianis, I am behind a router, and my windos machines have no problem of connecting to the internet, the only problem is my ubuntu machine...
[03:42] <Sianis> oh
[03:42] <usual> hi
[03:42] <navreet> hi usual
[03:42] <usual> :)
[03:42] <Sianis> but you don't need configure ppoe with the ubuntu
[03:43] <navreet> Lourens, any suggestion on the last step?
[03:43] <Slaven> Anyone else here experiencing problems with ZSNES?
[03:43] <Sianis> you need configure the local network
[03:43] <Lourens> other than root=...not really
[03:43] <Lourens> what is the exact error message that you're getting?
[03:43] <Slaven> slow graphics and sound delays
[03:43] <Sianis> can you ping the router with ubuntu?
[03:43] <kresten> Sianis, true, but thy won't it work then... :(
[03:43] <heze> sianis, he can ping the router and has the right entry in his routing table etc
[03:44] <Lourens> heze: does he have the router IP set as the default gateway?
[03:44] <Slaven> graphics works fine in OGL mode, but sound is still behind
[03:44] <heze> lourens, yes
[03:44] <Lourens> hmm
[03:44] <heze> he uses dhcp
[03:44] <navreet> Lourens, I'll brb, will give you the exact err message
[03:44] <heze> navreet, lemme guess: VFS: unable to mount root partition =)
[03:44] <Sianis> how broswer you try?
[03:45] <kresten> Sianis, firefox
[03:45] <oly> hi, can some one tell me if beagle will work with reiserfs and fat32 partitions ?
[03:45] <heze> umm yeah good idea. try to open http://192.168.1.254/ with a browser on your ubuntu puter
[03:45] <Sianis> hmm
[03:45] <Sianis> i have not more idea
[03:46] <kresten> heze, to look at the configuration, right?
[03:46] <heze> kresten, to test whether you can reach the configuration
[03:46] <kresten> heze, no problem, there... It's only when i leave the house... so to speak.
[03:47] <Sianis> have you some firewall on the ubuntu?
[03:47] <kresten> sianis, i haven't configured any...
[03:47] <oly> no one tried beagle with anythin but ext3 ? i just wanted to know before i add the extra tag to fstab, and find out its ext3 specific
[03:47] <heze> it doesn't have any by default does it?
[03:47] <Lourens> well, if the packets reach the router, then the problem is not with Ubuntu I'd sy
[03:47] <Sianis> uninstall or close all firewall
[03:47] <Lourens> s/sy/say
[03:47] <Sianis> cause maybe they blocked the trafic
[03:48] <heze> lourens, it's weird that the windows' can get thru..
[03:48] <kresten> Sianis, How do I do that?
[03:48] <heze> kresten, you could check the output of "iptables -vL" to see if there are any firewall rules.
[03:48] <Lourens> well, if the windows machine is on a different IP, and the router is deny-except-for that IP...
[03:48] <heze> lourens, yeah but why would it be like that :>
[03:49] <Lourens> default settings for wlan?
[03:49] <Lourens> to keep the neighbours off of it, and only your own IP on?
[03:49] <Lourens> just guessing...
[03:49] <heze> good guess
[03:49] <heze> but since he's using dhcp, if it was wlan he wouldn't even get the IP
[03:50] <Sianis> heze can you try brosvw withe a buntu LIVE cd?
[03:50] <Lourens> hmm, good point
[03:50] <Sianis> kresten no heze sorry :)
[03:50] <heze> lourens, atleast not in a sane environment :) of course any configuration is possible
[03:50] <kresten> Haven't got a live CD...
[03:50] <Aron> ok, I'm back up, but for some reason I can't find the wiki page that tells me how to put Windows back into the GRUB menu
[03:51] <heze> kresten, can you run windows on the ubuntu puter and reach internet that way?
[03:51] <Sianis> so uninstall all firewall
[03:51] <Sianis> ex: Guarddog
[03:51] <heze> mattgirv, lucky you :) i've a freezing X :)
[03:51] <mattgirv> lol
[03:51] <kresten> heze, No, it's windows-free, but i've been able to earlier...
[03:51] <mattgirv> what are everyones fps on glxgears?
[03:52] <heze> mattgirv, how big a window? ;)
[03:52] <mattgirv> normal size...
[03:52] <mattgirv> im getting 4500 is that good or bad?
[03:52] <heze> it's something like insane 10000 with normal size
[03:52] <heze> depends on your hardware :)
[03:52] <kresten> btw, my firewall's policy seems to be accept...
[03:52] <Aron> Can anyone point me to the Wiki page for configuring GRUB to boot to Win XP? I can't seem to bloody well find it, I'm searching and searching :(
[03:52] <mattgirv> i have an ATI tho :( 9800 pro
[03:52] <Sianis> mattgirv -> glxinfo
[03:53] <kresten> What ever that means
[03:53] <mattgirv> ii get like 8000 when its minimised
[03:53] <Lourens> a shiny 156 :)
[03:53] <heze> kresten, sounds fine
[03:53] <Sianis> and if you see YES near the direct rendering you got 3d accelation
[03:53] <thoreauputic> mattgirv: sounds pretty good for ati on linux
[03:53] <mattgirv> Sianis, I know I have 3d Acceleration.. just wondered if my FPS was good.
[03:53] <mattgirv> :)
[03:53] <xav> mattgirv: minimised ?
[03:53] <Sianis> so it's an good program
[03:54] <Aron> help?
[03:54] <Sianis> with big fps :P
[03:54] <heze> kresten, you really should check the router's configuration at this point.
[03:54] <mattgirv> xav, minimise the glxgears window :P
[03:54] <kresten> heze, for what?
[03:54] <heze> kresten, for any and everything :)
[03:54] <Aron> I seem to be getting ignored...@_@...all I need is to find where to get GRUB configured to boot back to Windoze...
[03:54] <heze> kresten, access control lists maybe?
[03:54] <Aron> I've been searching the wiki for 20 minutes@_@
[03:54] <xav> mattgirv: whats the use ? first glxgears sux, if besides its minimised
[03:54] <xav> omg
[03:54] <heze> aron, try using the search ;)
[03:54] <Aron> heze: I did use the search
[03:55] <Aron> hence the word "search"
[03:55] <mattgirv> xav, have you read anything else i wrote.....
[03:55] <gilles> Is the Wifi Airport card recognized by ubuntu on macintosh ?
[03:55] <navreet> hi
[03:55] <xav> mattgirv: yes
[03:56] <heze> wb navreet
[03:56] <mattgirv> i was merely pointing out my fps doubled when i minimised the window
[03:56] <mattgirv> not that it was entirely relevant
[03:56] <Lourens> Aron: maybe this helps: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallFromKnoppixHowto
[03:56] <mdblitz1> Aron, http://wolfheart.ro/linux/grub.shtml
[03:56] <Lourens> there's an example /boot/grub/menu.lst there
[03:56] <navreet> Lourens, I got the error message, it was: VFS: cannot open root device "sda2" or unknown-block(0,0)
[03:56] <mdblitz1> google is kind of search, try that next time
[03:56] <navreet> Please append a correct "root=" boot option
[03:57] <mdblitz1> king*
[03:57] <usual> I don't like that gnome took away the ability to edit the menu
[03:57] <Lourens> ah, so it's definitely the kernel then
[03:58] <xav> mattgirv: now that u see its totally irrelevant, don't post glxgears score anymore :) just fire quake 3, et, ut2k4 whatever and see how it's.
[03:58] <heze> xav, it's not totally irrelevant.
[03:59] <xav> heze: it's
[03:59] <mattgirv> xav, erm... i was merely asking if 4500fps was an average score for an ATI card, i dont think you should give me the third degree because of that, and i really don't see why i cant post anything i want, seeing as its a public irc channel
[03:59] <heze> xav, you can easily check whether things are fine or not with it. no need to launch q3. it's bad for benchmarking, yes.
[03:59] <ivo> hello everybody
[04:00] <xav> heze: mattgirv I'm bored to see glxgears score. it makes ppl thinking it means something. that's all
[04:00] <ivo> Can't u use ascii WEP in on a linux wlan connection?
[04:00] <xav> if you want to keep thinking wrong, u are free to do it
[04:00] <xav> heze: yes whether things work
[04:00] <ivo> Everywhere I look it's hex encrypting!!
[04:00] <mattgirv> xav, so your bored of it? well don't even comment on it then, and thinking i am wrong? why am i wrong.
[04:00] <heze> xav, there, it's not _totally_ useless.
[04:00] <ivo> Can't u use ascii WEP in on a linux wlan connection?
[04:00] <mattgirv> i fail to see your pointless argument.
[04:00] <ivo> Everywhere I look it's hex encrypting!!
[04:00] <spenser> ivo:  hex isn't encryption
[04:01] <ivo> ??
[04:01] <spenser> that's like talking in spanish and saying that it's encrypted english
[04:01] <navreet> Lourens, any ideas?
[04:01] <thoreauputic> mattgirv, xav, chill - it isn't worth arguing over it
[04:01] <mdblitz1> WEP is the encryption
[04:01] <ivo> yes I know
[04:01] <vixus> Hey, how do I add fonts to GNOME?
[04:01] <vixus> new fonts that is.
[04:01] <ivo> I spelled it out uncorrectly
[04:01] <mdblitz1> the key is usually in a hex format
[04:01] <mattgirv> i know it isn't hence why i am slightly annoyed that i am being told that i am wrong for posting it :/
[04:02] <usual> vixus, copy them into .fonts
[04:02] <vixus> in my home directory?
[04:02] <ivo> but can linux also use WEP ascii?
[04:02] <thoreauputic> mattgirv: as I said, your 3d sounds fine
[04:02] <Lourens> navreet: i'm googling for sata linux boot problems....there seem to be a few but I haven't found any solutions yet
[04:02] <usual> vixus, yes
[04:02] <xav> mattgirv: I'm not saying that for you only
[04:02] <heze> mattgirv, he's bored with comparing the high scores with it. the one where you minimize it for double fps. it's really meaningless.
[04:02] <vixus> usual: I don't have a .font folder, should I create it?
[04:02] <ivo> but can linux also use WEP ascii?
[04:02] <thoreauputic> xav: drop it, please, it's tedious
[04:02] <mdblitz1> go to System menu > Administration > Networking
[04:03] <navreet> Lourens, I'll try to do the same... hmm, I thought it might've been an easy fix since I _have_ been in ubuntu once.
[04:03] <ivo> or only WEP hex?
[04:03] <usual> vixus, yes .fonts
[04:03] <mdblitz1> click on your wireless card and then properties, enter you key there
[04:03] <mdblitz1> doesn't say hex or ascii just says key
[04:04] <ivo> yes, and standart it's hex WEP
[04:05] <ivo> look, my router has problems with WEP hex, so I want to use WEP ascii, so does anyone now if I can, and if so, how?
[04:05] <mdblitz1> ivo, http://lists.linux-wlan.com/pipermail/linux-wlan-user/2002-July/006903.html
[04:05] <Seveas> ivo: you can
[04:05] <Seveas> iwconfig wlan0 key s:your_key_string
[04:08] <Lourens> navreet: is it a Promise chipset? http://kerneltrap.org/node/4808
[04:08] <ivo_> and in /network/interfaces (wireless_key s:mykey??
[04:09] <mattgirv> are there any iconsets that have icons for EVERYTHING :p
[04:10] <jason> Hi, I turned of the login splash and change my theme but a blank screen of ugly ubuntu chocolate comes up right as gnome starts. Anyone know how to get rid of it?
[04:10] <wezzer-> did you just change runlevel or how did you disable login splash?
[04:11] <username> what are the kernel packages called?
[04:11] <navreet> Lourens, I am ubuntu :)
[04:11] <jason> wezzer-: under system\admin\login
[04:11] <navreet> Lourens, I forgot that I had this problem before... and I just reinstalled, and put another grub installation on /dev/sda2, and then did a "chainloader" option
[04:11] <xav> username: linux-image ?
[04:12] <username> xav, ah. Thanks
[04:12] <wezzer-> jason: ok
[04:12] <[Spooky] > hello is the "Hoary preview" buggy as hell ? :)
[04:12] <navreet> now I have to remember to edit my master grub config so that I remember what I did
[04:12] <wezzer-> I got rid of login splash by uninstalling some part
[04:12] <wezzer-> but I can't recall it's name :/
[04:12] <mdblitz1> [Spooky] , I haven't had a problem yet
[04:13] <jason> ok I'll seach for ubuntu with apt
[04:13] <[Spooky] > mdblitz1 ok
[04:14] <Lourens> navreet: so the problem seems to be that grub can't boot off a partition of a sata disk unless it is in the MBR of that disk?
[04:14] <Lourens> odd
[04:14] <navreet> Lourens, no
[04:14] <navreet> Lourens, I installed grub on a partition of that disk
[04:14] <ivo__> Saveas, my connection was gone so What was the last thing you sad??
[04:14] <jason> wezzer-: ubuntu-artwork?
[04:15] <navreet> so the grub in the MBR loads up another grub in a partion, which boots ubuntu
[04:15] <StoffBox-Steve> hi guys, have a prob with nvidia.. i installed Nvidia-Settings | nvidia-glx | nvidia-kernel-common ; type nvidia-glx-config enable but when i type "sudo modprobe nvidia" this comes up ... "FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.10-4-386/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko): Invalid module format" the nvidia.ko is in the modules folder, but when i start xoeg with "nvidia" it cant find the driver ! *grrr* any help ?
[04:15] <wezzer> jason: sorry, can't remember...
[04:15] <wezzer> try asking someone from here or at the forums
[04:15] <navreet> StoffBox-Steve, you might want to try #nvidia
[04:16] <heze> stoffbox-steve, read https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7485
[04:16] <Lourens> navreet: aha, okay
[04:16] <jason> only problem I really having right now with it :)
[04:16] <Lourens> well, learnt something again :)
[04:17] <Lourens> I seem to have magically obtained the menu entry I wanted, so I'm off to play with glade
[04:17] <StoffBox-Steve> navreet, heze, i think i mean its work fine yesterday .. but i reinstalled ubuntu today and now this *grr* i go and check the bugzilla
[04:17] <Lourens> bye everyone
[04:17] <mdblitz1> ivo_, http://lists.samba.org/archive/wireless/2003-June/002597.html
[04:17] <heze> stoffbox-steve, actually the bug is marked fixed even i still can't get it to work :(
[04:17] <mdblitz1> has ascii instructions
[04:19] <heze> stoffbox-steve, nevermind it works, for some reason i just had to manually "modprobe nvidia" with the 2.6.11-kernel, try updating your kernel.
[04:19] <navreet> StoffBox-Steve, so just get a newer version?
[04:19] <StoffBox-Steve> heze, i just see it now in the topic .. *grrr* ok i dont need it really @ this point ...
[04:19] <navreet> Ubuntu doesn't have gkrellm? or gkrellm2?
[04:19] <navreet> or gallery?
[04:20] <StoffBox-Steve> navreet, i installed 4.10 1 hour ago and upgrade to hoary after finish install
[04:20] <heze> stoffbox-steve, which kernel are you running?
[04:20] <StoffBox-Steve> wait
[04:20] <heze> no i wont ;)
[04:20] <WillCooke> where do you go to ask for software to be included with Ubuntu?
[04:21] <StoffBox-Steve> heze, 2.6.10-4-386
[04:21] <wjesus_axl> hey guys.. i'm back
[04:21] <navreet> is Hoary > Warty?
[04:21] <djg> Hi, I've got wireless almost working on my laptop, but all networks appear to be out of range, even when I hold the laptop next to a transmitting router.  Any ideas?
[04:21] <heze> stoffbox-steve, upgrade to 2.6.11?
[04:21] <_d4vid> Ubuntu 5.04-preview is released (GNOME 2.10 included)! Downloads are available at http://releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/. Test it NOW!
[04:21] <wjesus_axl> I can't still solve my problem with my wifi connection
[04:21] <StoffBox-Steve> hoary :D
[04:22] <heze> navreet, > as in with size? =)
[04:22] <jason> im scared to update hoary until it becomes stable, everything seems to work
[04:22] <mdblitz1> wjesus_axl, whats wrong?
[04:22] <navreet> heze, as in version number
[04:22] <navreet> heze, or a later release date
[04:22] <StoffBox-Steve> i hope that help :D as i say just upgrade a few min ago
[04:22] <jason> wjesus_axl: what is the wifi prob
[04:22] <heze> navreet, warty is stabe, hoary is development version afaik
[04:22] <navreet> heze, ah
[04:22] <Hoodster> Hi all
[04:22] <wjesus_axl> hey jason...
[04:22] <wjesus_axl> I already set up the interfaces..
[04:22] <wjesus_axl> I'm working with a dhcp...
[04:22] <vixus> Anyone here play FS2004?
[04:23] <navreet> heze, so warty=stable
[04:23] <Hoodster> I was wondiering if someone can help me with a usb webcam problem
[04:23] <wezzer-> vixus: I do
[04:23] <StoffBox-Steve> heze, i have no 2.6.11 in my list :(
[04:23] <wjesus_axl> and I alredy typed which my Essid is
[04:23] <navreet> heze, err warty=stable like warty=woody
[04:23] <jason> wjesus_axl: what kind of card
[04:23] <StoffBox-Steve> its is in testing ? heze
[04:23] <vixus> wezzer-: Cool. Member of a VA?
[04:23] <SiRrUs> navreet some would say hoary is more stable then warty :)
[04:23] <wezzer-> vixus: nope, I like to fly my own routes :)
[04:23] <wjesus_axl> and even though it solve an IP number
[04:23] <wezzer-> vixus: but I was on Virtual Finnair long time ago
[04:23] <sockler> my computer was running fine until i restarted it today and now it doesnt boot properly
[04:23] <wjesus_axl> given from the router
[04:24] <navreet> is it just me or does ubuntu not have really popular packages like gkrellm and gallery
[04:24] <wjesus_axl> and I can't ping any computer
[04:24] <jason> wjesus_axl:  i do it manually
[04:24] <Hoodster> Can someone help me with a video4linux/gnomemeeting ququiestion?
[04:24] <StoffBox-Steve> heze, found it :) search for kernel 2.6.11 .. but have to look for linux 2.6.11 :D
[04:24] <thoreauputic> navreet: gkrellm is easily available
[04:24] <heze> stoffbox-steve, oh yeah :) i use aptitude.
[04:24] <sockler> when i start it up it can sortof see the BIOS loading, but the characters are all scrambled, and then once the bootload is supposed to come up, the screen is filled with weird characters
[04:24] <wjesus_axl> what do you mean with manually
[04:24] <sockler> can anyone help?
[04:25] <wjesus_axl> doing it statically instead of DHCP
[04:25] <navreet> thoreauputic, sudo apt-cache search gkrellm shows nothing :(
[04:25] <SiRrUs> navreet and gallery is available through synaptic
[04:25] <wjesus_axl> I do have an IP number
[04:25] <thoreauputic> navreet: it's in universe
[04:25] <mdblitz1> sockler, I found a problem like this a while back..
[04:25] <jason> wjesus_axl:  iwconfig eth1 mode managed, iwconfig eth1 essid essid, dhclient eth1
[04:25] <reon> hi people!
[04:25] <navreet> thoreauputic, universe?
[04:25] <mdblitz1> try taking out a stick of your RAM, believe it or not, a bad stick of RAM can cause this to happen
[04:25] <jason> wjesus_axl: what kind of card?
[04:26] <SiRrUs> navreet update your repos
[04:26] <thoreauputic> navreet: yes, you need to enable that repository
[04:26] <reon> howzit thoreaputic!
[04:26] <sockler> mdblitz1: do you think it could be the onboard video acting up?
[04:26] <jason> wjesus_axl: I had a hell of a time with my prism 2.5
[04:26] <Hoodster> I am trying to get a firewire webcam working and I need to install ffmpeg, but it won't
[04:26] <heze> navreet, http://ubuntuguide.org has nice tricks :)
[04:26] <djg> Hi all, my wireless card is incorrectly reporting all wireless APs as being out of range or having zero strength.  Any known solutions?
[04:26] <navreet> so much for "it just works" philsophy
[04:26] <navreet> philosophy
[04:26] <Hoodster> Strangely, ffmpeg in warty requires a hoary library. What's up with that?
[04:27] <reon> djg, whats your problem I have wireless LAN experience
[04:27] <thoreauputic> navreet: either edit /etc/apt/sources.list or use synaptic >> settings >> repositories
[04:27] <mdblitz1> sockler: I'd try the ram first
[04:27] <heze> navreet, who said that and where? :)
[04:27] <sockler> ok thanks :-)
[04:27] <mdblitz1> welcome
[04:27] <navreet> heze, isn't that supposed to be ubuntu's philosophy
[04:27] <djg> reon: I can see 4 APs, but all have zero strength.
[04:27] <thoreauputic> navreet: universe consists of "unsupported' packages
[04:28] <heze> navreet, i don't believe that's possible with any linux distribution. not yet. maybe in a couple of years.
[04:28] <SiRrUs> navreet there are many things that are not included due to licensing issues
[04:28] <vixus> wezzer-: know of any places to get good airliners for fre?
[04:28] <vixus> wezzer-: *free
[04:28] <navreet> SiRrUs, ?? it's in debian
[04:28] <djg> reon: I have also placed my laptop in close proximity to an AP and got nothing.
[04:28] <jason> wjesus_axl:it just works except for most wireless cards and sound quits working as they dink with the kernel every other day
[04:28] <SiRrUs> navreet yep in the universe repo
[04:28] <mdblitz1> djg: have you tried using the card in a differen't computer?
[04:28] <reon> djg, stupid question but does the wireless work from Windows etc ?
[04:28] <thoreauputic> navreet: it's in ubuntu as well - just a matter of uncommenting a few lines
[04:29] <kresten> heze, I've gone over the configuratin for my router, but had no luck finding anything...
[04:29] <djg> reon: Yes, it worked.
[04:29] <djg> Ahhh, might be UI...
[04:29] <heze> kresten, i'm really running out of ideas here. =(
[04:29] <djg> iwlist eth0 gives 'RSSI' of ~ -80 dBm
[04:30] <reon> djg, ok then it would be save to assume that there is nothing wrong with the network but you got a client problem on ubuntu
[04:30] <navreet> thoreauputic, gotcha, I read the note in sources.list
[04:30] <mdblitz1> djg: is the card turning on when linux boots?
[04:30] <djg> Is that bad?
[04:30] <djg> mdblitz1: It must be, because it scans the networks.
[04:30] <mdblitz1> ok
[04:30] <kresten> heze, It's quite OK.
[04:30] <wjesus_axl> I solve an IP number
[04:30] <djg> reon: Yes, that's what I'd assume.
[04:30] <wjesus_axl> but I can't ping from any other computer to mine..
[04:31] <wjesus_axl> neither from mine to any other
[04:31] <thoreauputic> navreet: if you want the *bad non-free* stuff, add "multiverse"  *grin*
[04:31] <reon> djg, this is where my experience stops. I have not yet setup wireless on linux, will soon though. Lots of expereice with win2k,XP,CE
[04:31] <navreet> thoreauputic, gkrellm is still nowehere to be found :(
[04:31] <navreet> thoreauputic, what's in there? any popular packages I might recognize?
[04:32] <mdblitz1> wjesus_axl: is it putting you on the same subnet as the other computers and giving you a matching ip?
[04:32] <farruinn> navreet: don't forget to apt-get update
[04:32] <reon> djg, have you done a update&ugrade lately
[04:32] <thoreauputic> navreet: you *did* do sudo apt-get update, didn't you ?
[04:32] <navreet> farruinn, I hit refresh in synaptic
[04:32] <jason> wjesus_axl: It is possible it is a driver issue is why I asked what kind of wireless card it is.
[04:32] <djg> reon: Sure, did one yesterday, doin one now. :)
[04:32] <sockler> mdblitz1: taking out the ram worked, thanks alot
[04:32] <mdblitz1> sockler: glad I could help
[04:32] <farruinn> navreet: double check your sources.list then, it's in there
[04:33] <SiRrUs> dont think gkrellm is in the repos
[04:33] <wjesus_axl> sorry I didn't read it
[04:33] <wjesus_axl> an Atheros
[04:33] <navreet> farruinn, yep :)
[04:33] <navreet> farruinn, it's fine... still no gkrellm
[04:33] <navreet> farruinn, do you see gkrellm?
[04:33] <thoreauputic> navreet: recheck your sources list - gkrellm is definitely available - i have it running here
[04:33] <reon> djg, the fact that you can see the APs is good. What wireless card do you have ?
[04:33] <wjesus_axl> an aR5211
[04:33] <jason> did you unplug the ethernet?
[04:33] <djg> reon: Centrino
[04:33] <usual> I see a shit load of gkrellm when I search for it in hoary
[04:33] <farruinn> navreet: yeah, apt-cache search gkrellm shows a bunch of stuff
[04:33] <wjesus_axl> yeah it's unplugged
[04:33] <navreet> thoreauputic, deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe
[04:34] <jason> try this
[04:34] <navreet> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe
[04:34] <wjesus_axl> i Ifdowned at first
[04:34] <reon> djg, centrino ? got a website. No who the manufacturer of the chipset is ?
[04:34] <djg> reon: Intel
[04:34] <djg> reon: It's a processor with bundled wireless
[04:34] <reon> djg, do you have the chipset part/model details ?
[04:34] <_d4vid> play Silbermond - Symphonie.mp3
[04:35] <wjesus_axl> I can't even ping my gateway
[04:35] <thoreauputic> navreet:  $ apt-cache search gkrellm | wc -l
[04:35] <thoreauputic> 27
[04:35] <mdblitz1> wjesus_axl: do you have a regular ethernet card as well?
[04:35] <thoreauputic> navreet: on warty
[04:35] <jason> ifconfig wlan0 down, iwconfig wlan0 managed, iwconfig essid (your_id), dhclient wlan0, ping (ip_of_router)
[04:35] <farruinn> navreet: I don't have a trailing / for the uri
[04:35] <gilles> Does the Airport Extreme card work on ubuntu ?
[04:35] <wjesus_axl> I don't use wlan0 .. I use an ath0
[04:35] <StoffBox-Steve> *grrrrrr* ok guys that suck :( .. i update to 2.6.11 on hoary but when i start - login , after the "loginsplash" is done and the desktop shows up my USB keyboard and Mouse are dead :(
[04:36] <thoreauputic> gilles: no
[04:36] <djg> reon: It uses ipw2200, and that's about as much as I know. :P
[04:36] <jason> sure you would changre that
[04:36] <jason> are you using wep?
[04:36] <reon> djg, hang on got some google results
[04:37] <gilles> thoreauputic: is there a way to have the wifi on a mac g4 laptop
[04:37] <navreet> farruinn, I didn't put it there, it came with the install
[04:37] <reon> djg, -   http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/
[04:37] <wjesus_axl> do you know how to get my AP MAC address
[04:37] <thoreauputic> gilles: not that I know of - maybe an external dongle?
[04:37] <wjesus_axl> Nop I'm Note
[04:37] <wjesus_axl> not
[04:38] <djg> reon: I have the relevant kernel module installed.
[04:38] <navreet> farruinn, that didn't make a difference :(
[04:38] <djg> reon: I can scan the networks, I just can't see the signal strength.
[04:38] <jason> I think iwconfig will show the AP mac after connected, or it is on the bottom of the AP
[04:38] <BockBilbo> hello again
[04:38] <farruinn> navreet: do you have an amd64 or something?
[04:38] <wjesus_axl> I know my ap MAC adress... but I want my laptop to know it..
[04:38] <navreet> thoreauputic, 1 package shows up when I search from gkrellm (and it's some theme) when i comment/uncomment universe
[04:38] <keffo> yay, a big channel :>: >
[04:39] <navreet> farruinn, yes
[04:39] <keffo> finally
[04:39] <keffo> Hi, I'm having some issues compiling the ATi fglrx driver for xorg. I'm using Ubuntu Hoary, more info @ http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=92008#post92008 . Any ideas?
[04:39] <wjesus_axl> I may be connected to another AP ... and because of the ESSID I can't get connected to my network
[04:39] <farruinn> navreet: that would be why
[04:39] <Absenth> Good Morning.
[04:39] <navreet> farruinn, ??
[04:39] <jason> do you know your essid?
[04:39] <farruinn> navreet: there's no binary package for your architecture
[04:39] <wjesus_axl> yeah
[04:39] <mdblitz1> djg: heres some info on ipw220, http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/
[04:39] <wjesus_axl> I'm on
[04:39] <jason> better mywireless than linksys
[04:39] <navreet> farruinn, great... how many packages are in this state?
[04:39] <Absenth> keffo: do you know if they got the kernel/nvidia problem fixed for hoary?
[04:39] <thoreauputic> navreet: for what it's worth, i had some issues when I first installed and it turned out I had stupidly made a minor editing error in my sources.list
[04:39] <wjesus_axl> I have a DLINK
[04:39] <ompaul> Absenth, good morning to you too
[04:40] <farruinn> navreet: do this: 'sudo apt-get build-dep gkrellm; sudo apt-get source -b gkrellm'
[04:40] <keffo> Absenth: what problem?
[04:40] <jason> I have on of those pieces of crap too
[04:40] <farruinn> thoreauputic: check http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/, there's no binary package for him
[04:40] <thoreauputic> farruinn: OK, I see
[04:41] <wjesus_axl> so you think my IP is the problem.. because I have the laptop working on windows..
[04:41] <StoffBox-Steve> someone an idea why my USB mouse and Keyboard dosnt work with 2.6.11 ?
[04:41] <Absenth> keffo: last night (around midnight eastern) I upgraded, and Crimsun, and a few other people were saying not to reboot yet, as there was some problem with a kernel abi or something.
[04:41] <wjesus_axl> my AP
[04:41] <farruinn> navreet: that will give you a deb you can install - 'sudo dpkg -i *.deb'
[04:41] <thoreauputic> farruinn: I didn't realise until he said he was running amd64
[04:41] <jason> wjesus_axl: dhclient will fail if it cant grab an ip
[04:42] <jason> after it grabs an ip you should be able to ping it
[04:42] <vixus> Inkscape problem, when I make an object insensitive, how do I make it sensitive again>
[04:42] <farruinn> navreet: in hoary there are very few packages with no binary package available
[04:42] <jason> then if dns is working you should be able to ping yahoo
[04:42] <wjesus_axl> ok I'll change my interface then
[04:42] <navreet> farruinn, should I upgrade?
[04:42] <farruinn> navreet: that's up to you
[04:42] <reon> djg, can you connect though ?
[04:42] <wjesus_axl> I have this one..
[04:42] <jason> how did you set it up?
[04:42] <keffo> Absenth: hm ok
[04:42] <navreet> farruinn, can I see your sources.list?
[04:43] <farruinn> navreet: if you just want gkrellm don't upgrade, install it from source like I showed you
[04:43] <wjesus_axl> I went to /etc/network/interfaces
[04:43] <jason> comment all that crap out
[04:43] <navreet> farruinn, it's more complicated than that... I have to install other packages do be able to build it
[04:43] <wjesus_axl> it's done..
[04:43] <navreet> farruinn, I'd like to try to upgrade to hoary
[04:43] <wjesus_axl> I only have... auto ath0
[04:43] <jason> then restart and try the cammands
[04:43] <farruinn> navreet: apt-get build-dep installs the build dependencies
[04:43] <jason> comment that out too
[04:43] <ReeFeR> hello all
[04:43] <wjesus_axl> iface ath0 inet dchp
[04:44] <farruinn> navreet: if you want to try hoary just change all instances of warty to hoary in your sources.list
[04:44] <wjesus_axl> then wireless_essid RED2
[04:44] <ReeFeR> what site can I go to for gome themes?
[04:44] <djg> reon: I already have the ipw2200 module installed.
[04:44] <farruinn> ReeFeR: gnome-look.org
[04:44] <gerardout> gnomeart.org
[04:44] <djg> ReeFeR: gnome-look.org is quite good
[04:44] <jason> get put a big # before everything then reboot
[04:44] <ReeFeR> also whats the file called I need to install from SMP?
[04:44] <deFrysk> gnome-themes-extras
[04:44] <djg> art.gnome.org too, IIRC
[04:44] <navreet> farruinn, what about the cdrom source?
[04:44] <deFrysk> apt-get is
[04:44] <navreet> farruinn, delete it?
[04:44] <wjesus_axl> ok..
[04:44] <ReeFeR> thanks guys
[04:44] <deFrysk> is = it
[04:44] <gerardout> djg: je
[04:44] <farruinn> navreet: yeah
[04:44] <jason> then we will try doing it without ubuntus help
[04:44] <farruinn> navreet: or comment it out if you want
[04:45] <keffo> Absenth: hm, do you got ATi-card?
[04:45] <reon> djg, http://jaeger.morpheus.net/linux/d600/   reports that the signal strenght info is not available with NdisWrapper, using Ndis Wrapper ?
[04:45] <wjesus_axl> there's something at the beginning like auto lo iface lo inet loopback
[04:45] <jason> leave it
[04:45] <wjesus_axl> ok
[04:45] <djg> reon: No, ipw2200
[04:45] <wjesus_axl> done
[04:45] <Absenth> keffo, I have a Radeon 9550 in the other puter, but this one (recently dist-upgraded) has a fx 5900 ultra
[04:45] <deFrysk> if anyone is interested in kde on hoary here is my screenshot http://www.geocities.com/johanvrt/kde3.4.png
[04:46] <djg> reon: Perhaps it just isn't available with ipw2200 either.
[04:46] <jason> what is your essid/
[04:46] <djg> Anyone here got working wireless?
[04:46] <djg> I'd like to compare scan 'fields'
[04:46] <mdblitz1> djg: I do
[04:46] <jason> open a root terminal
[04:46] <vixus> Anyone? *o*
[04:46] <mdblitz1> djg: check out this page, http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/
[04:46] <djg> mdblitz1: Can you pm with the output of iwlist <interface> scan?
[04:46] <ReeFeR> djg, whats the file called i need to apt-get for SMP?
[04:46] <djg> mdblitz1: I already have that driver.
[04:46] <navreet> farruinn, great... dist-upgrading now.  should take 30 mins... time for shower
[04:46] <navreet> latres
[04:47] <djg> ReeFeR: kernel-image?
[04:47] <Absenth> Anyone have suggestions on what I should do, or check after a dist-upgrade before rebooting?
[04:47] <keffo> Absenth: so this bug is just about NVIDIA?
[04:47] <keffo> anyone knows how to sovle this? :< http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=92008#post92008
[04:47] <keffo> buhuhu ;<
[04:47] <Absenth> keffo from what it sounded like, it was affecting both nvidia, and ati.  but he never did give me a url.  I'm just going to go for it, and reboot unless someone has a suggestion on what I should do before hand.
[04:47] <djg> mdblitz1: I compiled the latest release of ipw2200 (including firmware).
[04:48] <djg> mdblitz1: Thanks. :)
[04:48] <keffo> Absenth: ok, so when you know more.. tell me
[04:48] <ReeFeR> djg, its something like linux-318-smp or something
[04:48] <keffo> ;P
[04:48] <mdblitz1> dlg: no problem
[04:48] <keffo> im right here and im pissed off.. tired etc
[04:48] <keffo> thank you
[04:48] <jason> wjesus_axl: I would also try unplugging the AP for 30 secs too before you try
[04:48] <reon> djg, do you have wireless tools installed ?
[04:48] <Absenth> BRB, I suppose if this computer blows up, I'll brb on the other one.....
[04:48] <djg> mdblitz1: Is Signal level on the same line?
[04:49] <djg> mdblitz1: Or one its own?
[04:49] <djg> reon: Yup
[04:49] <StoffBox-Steve> hmm its there a bug in the 2.6.11 that breaks USB support after login ?
[04:49] <wjesus_axl> ok
[04:49] <jason> wjesus_axl:gnomes wireless configuration tool sucks
[04:49] <wjesus_axl> ok it's done
[04:49] <reon> djg, i give up, sorry cant be of more help.
[04:49] <wjesus_axl> it doesn't recognize the AP
[04:50] <wjesus_axl> so what's next?
[04:50] <keffo> Absynthe: keep me informed
[04:50] <keffo> ;P
[04:50] <djg> reon: No worries.  Thanks for your time.
[04:50] <Absynthe> So far so good.
[04:50] <jason> then in the root terminal put in : iwconfig ath0 mode managed && iwconfig ath0 essid (your_id) && dhclient ath0
[04:50] <ReeFeR> can someone help me out with this file name please, its linux-3**-SMP or something, I need the file name to apt for SMP
[04:51] <djg> ReeFeR: uname -r
[04:51] <Blissex> ReeFeR: 'apt-cache search ....'
[04:51] <Get> Hi! I've problem with quick cam express, when I start som app it says: /dev/video: No such file or directory
[04:51] <Absynthe> keffo well, as far as I can tell, if there was a problem last night, there isn't now.
[04:51] <jason> then do iwconfig to see if it is connected
[04:51] <Absynthe> although I did just do an update dist-upgrade before rebooting this morning.
[04:51] <reon> Question, where can I get the windoze mm codecs & install procedure ?
[04:52] <wjesus_axl> done
[04:52] <Absynthe> SWG still appears like it's going to launch in Cedega.  that's a good sign.
[04:52] <kapputu> need help with partitioning
[04:52] <wjesus_axl> but I can't still ping my gateway
[04:52] <jason> it should tell you stats about connection, where it is connected to, and the strength of connection
[04:53] <jason> is it even connected?
[04:53] <wjesus_axl> I put iwconfig
[04:53] <jason> message me the output of iwconfig
[04:53] <wjesus_axl> I got ath0 IEEE 80211.B
[04:53] <wjesus_axl> MOde managed
[04:53] <wjesus_axl> frequency 2.4Ghz
[04:54] <wjesus_axl> my ap mac
[04:54] <wjesus_axl> bit rate
[04:54] <wjesus_axl> 11mb/s
[04:54] <wjesus_axl> txpowe 50dbm
[04:54] <wjesus_axl> sensitiviy 0/3
[04:54] <djg> ReeFeR: Try sudo apt-get install kernel-image-`uname -r`-smp
[04:54] <jason> Link Quality=34/70  Signal level=-56 dBm  Noise level=-91 dBm
[04:54] <jason> nothing like that?
[04:55] <jason> or Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.437 GHz  Access Point: 00:11:95:19:DD:50
[04:55] <djg> jason: In terms of Signal level, is a lower number better than a higher (e.g. is -80 better than -10 dBm)?
[04:55] <wjesus_axl> link quality 39/94 signal level = -56dbm noise level -95 dbm
[04:55] <reon> djg, what version of driver do you have ?
[04:55] <wjesus_axl> rx invalid nwid:143 Rx invalid crypt: 0
[04:55] <wjesus_axl> rx invalid frag 0
[04:55] <djg> reon: That latest driver and firmware
[04:55] <kapputu> too bad when I try to manually edit the partition tables only hda shows up
[04:55] <wjesus_axl> tx ecessive retries 9 invalid misc 0 missed beacon 0
[04:56] <wjesus_axl> yeah the managed mode
[04:56] <wjesus_axl> works
[04:56] <reon> just saw that 1.01 is suposed to fix signal strenght repoting issues
[04:56] <wjesus_axl> the frequency and the mac
[04:56] <kapputu> does the live cd have a partition manager??
[04:56] <jason> is it connected to the access point
[04:56] <kapputu> help please
[04:56] <wjesus_axl> yeah theres a status sign on the tool bar
[04:56] <ReeFeR> root@GotFukt:~ # sudo apt-get install kernel-image-`uname -r`-smp
[04:56] <ReeFeR> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[04:56] <ReeFeR> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[04:56] <ReeFeR> \
[04:56] <ReeFeR> djg, the SMP is for hyperthreading :)
[04:57] <djg> ReeFeR: Close synaptic
[04:57] <jason> ping 192.168.0.1
[04:57] <Seveas> ReeFeR, are you running synaptic too?
[04:57] <keffo> Absynthe:
[04:57] <kapputu> help !!!
[04:57] <djg> Seveas: :)
[04:57] <keffo> ok
[04:57] <keffo> what did you do to sovle it
[04:57] <jason> is that the ip?
[04:57] <ReeFeR> ye just installed, busy doing like 170 updates
[04:58] <djg> ReeFeR: You'll have to wait until it finishes then.
[04:58] <ReeFeR> ok  ta
[04:58] <Seveas> ReeFeR, you can't run synaptic and apt-get at the same time
[04:58] <wjesus_axl> my gateway
[04:58] <jason> you should be able to ping the gateway after that
[04:59] <vixus> Is there a character map for linux? ^^
[04:59] <wjesus_axl> no I'm not
[04:59] <wjesus_axl> host unreacheable
[04:59] <andrewski> vixus: gnome-character-map
[04:59] <vixus> I want the proper copyright character, rather than (c)
[04:59] <jason> if not i think it is something with the drivers
[04:59] <vixus> oh, thanks
[04:59] <andrewski> is there anyone who can help me with an error while starting synaptic via sudo?
[04:59] <jason> type dmesg and see if there are errors
[04:59] <wjesus_axl> I ndiswrapped it
[04:59] <Seveas> vixus, there is a character applet for gnome
[04:59] <wjesus_axl> from I windows driver I had
[05:00] <andrewski> the error is: "Failed to run /usr/sbin/synaptic as user root:
[05:00] <andrewski>  Unable to copy the user's Xauthorization file."
[05:00] <wjesus_axl> from a xxxx.inf
[05:00] <reon> Question, where can I get the windoze mm codecs & install procedure ?
[05:00] <Seveas> andrewski, use gksudo
[05:00] <ReeFeR> djg, how hard is it to setup a bluetooth adapter on ubuntu?
[05:00] <jason> do dmesg and at the bottom are there any messages pertaining to the wireless
[05:00] <andrewski> Seveas: i am.
[05:01] <vixus> ReeFeR: I've done it.
[05:01] <andrewski> Seveas: i meant that if i su to root and run it, there's no problem.
[05:01] <kapputu> is there a good open source partition manager for windows?
[05:01] <ReeFeR> vixus, hard?
[05:01] <vixus> Are you telling me there is no (c) symbol?!!
[05:01] <vixus> ReeFeR, nope.
[05:01] <keffo> FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.10-4-k7/kernel/drivers/video/fglrx.ko): Invalid module format
[05:01] <keffo> failed.
[05:01] <Seveas> vixus, there is
[05:01] <keffo> while make.sh
[05:01] <keffo> :<
[05:01] <Seveas> just use the character applet
[05:02] <andrewski> Seveas: i think vixus already is.
[05:02] <vixus> ReeFeR, as long as you have the latest kernel... shouldn't be a problem. You are talking about a USB dongle right?
[05:02] <jason> i have no clue what is going on except that it is getting an ip and cant ping,
[05:02] <andrewski> jason: have you configured a gateway?
[05:02] <ReeFeR> vixus, would you be ableto help with it? yip USB dongle
[05:02] <wjesus_axl> yeah
[05:02] <vixus> ReeFeR, sure.
[05:02] <andrewski> jason: and dns?
[05:02] <wjesus_axl> ath0 PCI INTERRUPT 0000:00:10
[05:02] <jason> andrewski: I'm fine
[05:02] <wjesus_axl> .0a
[05:02] <keffo> Sorry, for re-typing.. its just. important :<< Hi, I'm having some issues compiling the ATi fglrx driver for xorg. I'm using Ubuntu Hoary, more info @ http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=92008#post92008 . Any ideas?
[05:02] <andrewski> jason: ok, sorry for jumping in.
[05:02] <jason> trying to help wjesus_axl
[05:02] <ReeFeR> vixus, Linux GotFukt 2.6.10-4-386 #1 Wed Mar 2 06:11:58 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[05:02] <sockler> how come i cant my nVidia card to work?
[05:02] <wjesus_axl> ATH0 11A RATES ATH0 11B RATES
[05:03] <sockler> its plugged in and microsoft doesnt recognize it
[05:03] <sockler> and im not even going to start with ubunt
[05:03] <sockler> ubuntu*
[05:03] <wjesus_axl> ATH0: no IPv6 roters present
[05:03] <wjesus_axl> that's the last line
[05:03] <jason> ok looks fine
[05:04] <St3althcAt> hey guys
[05:04] <St3althcAt> Ubuntu is working! :D
[05:04] <St3althcAt> but have another problem :P
[05:04] <jason> cat /etc/resolv.conf
[05:04] <thynis> anybody have any luck installin MOL in Hoary
[05:04] <jason> is the dns right
[05:04] <memer> has anyone tested ubuntu on mac vs. unbuntu on a similarly powered wintel  -- does it run faster on the mac?
[05:05] <kapputu> is there a good open source partition manager for windows?
[05:05] <wjesus_axl> nameserver 200.48.225.130
[05:05] <wjesus_axl> nameserver 200.48.225.146
[05:05] <jason> wjesus_axl: I never set up the wrappers
[05:05] <usual> Linus switched over to ppc
[05:05] <St3althcAt> i want to configure my speedtouch modem for ADSL and when I do ./configure it says I don't have gcc or whatever. I'm noob on this, so... if you could help! :D
[05:05] <wjesus_axl> mmmmm
[05:05] <jason> try putting nameserver 192.168.0.1 at the top
[05:06] <jason> then try to ping it
[05:06] <ompaul> St3althcAt, have you edited /etc/apt/sources.list ? [I doubt that the answer will be yes] 
[05:06] <memer> usual: yeah, i know. but i wonder if there arny performance gains? anybody?
[05:06] <vixus> what are the bluetooth tools? (apt-get)
[05:06] <wjesus_axl> not working
[05:06] <usual> memer, I can't afford mac hardware heh
[05:07] <thynis> macmini
[05:07] <djg> ReeFeR: Re: Bluetooth, I don't know.  Never done it.
[05:07] <St3althcAt> ompaul, I didn't :P
[05:07] <jason> otherwise im pretty much out of ideas except for that ndiswrapper isnt working right
[05:07] <memer> usual: i was actually thinking i might get an old G3 or G4 laptop and pour linux on it. but i want to know if it would run faster than comparable (for that time) windows box
[05:07] <thynis> memer: I can tell you
[05:08] <St3althcAt> ompaul should I edit that file?
[05:08] <reon> memer, had the same idea.
[05:08] <thynis> that in my opinion it does run a little faster
[05:08] <wjesus_axl> how do I know that it isn't working properly?
[05:08] <memer> thynis: do tell
[05:08] <ReeFeR> ta
[05:08] <reon> thynis, what is it comparable to ?
[05:08] <wjesus_axl> or at least that it is ...
[05:08] <thynis> I put ubuntu on my wife's lapton and I have it on my ibook
[05:08] <jason> well you should be able to ping the IP that gave you an IP
[05:08] <thynis> laptop
[05:08] <ompaul> St3althcAt, sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list    <--- {dont stick your tounge out at someone helping it is purile :)} if you care to run the command that I have pointed to at the start of this you can remove the # symbol at the start of lines that start with deb then you can run the command ; apt-get update
[05:08] <thynis> she has a hp 2.6ghz 512 mb of ram
[05:08] <reon> thynis, which one is that ?
[05:09] <memer> thynis: i take ti your wife's laptop was wintel? about the same pwr as the mac?
[05:09] <thynis> and I have an iBook 1 gig 640 megs of ram
[05:09] <wjesus_axl> one thing... how do I see my gateway
[05:09] <St3althcAt> mmm ok... gonna put that on my USB pen and boot into linux :P
[05:09] <wjesus_axl> on my computer
[05:09] <thynis> actually more power
[05:09] <jason> type route
[05:09] <thynis> her's has more power
[05:09] <thynis> which is what makes it so funny
[05:09] <thynis> lol
[05:09] <wjesus_axl> destination 192.168.0.0
[05:09] <wjesus_axl> gateway *
[05:10] <jason> second line
[05:10] <ompaul> St3althcAt, then you can run a command --> apt-get install gcc  <-- that will install gcc for you
[05:10] <wjesus_axl> default
[05:10] <skeff> heya guys, I just wondered; Ubuntu has the ability to automatically mount stuff if I plug in a memory card reader, or a cdrom, and so on... supermounting right?  But when I plug in my memory card reader, a device sda1 gets created on the system, is Ubuntu able to mount any device that it somehow detects actvity on?  How?
[05:10] <wjesus_axl> 192.168.0.1
[05:10] <jason> yep
[05:10] <jason> looks fine
[05:10] <memer> thynis: rats. that's what i was afeared of
[05:10] <jason> I dont get it
[05:10] <thynis> i mean don't get me wrong it runs quick on her computer
[05:10] <memer> thynis: same brand of linux, too?
[05:10] <St3althcAt> ompaul thks :) and sorry for sticking the tongue
[05:10] <wjesus_axl> genmask 0.0.0.0
[05:10] <dma> hi
[05:10] <thynis> yeah I put ubuntu on both
[05:11] <memer> thynis: but what?
[05:11] <dma> does live cd auto mount my partitions?
[05:11] <wjesus_axl> but it took like 5 seconds to show up
[05:11] <thynis> it just runs a lot faster on my iBook
[05:11] <jason> doesnt matter afaik
[05:11] <xocer> buenas tardes
[05:11] <memer> ooooh! i got it backwards.. i thot you were saying ti ran faster on the lesser powered wintel laptop?
[05:11] <jason> are you using winXP drivers?
[05:12] <thynis> no no
[05:12] <wjesus_axl> yeah i am
[05:12] <jason> i heard ndis likes those
[05:12] <xocer> ..... jejeje
[05:12] <xocer> hi
[05:12] <reon> thynis, is it faster than windoze though ?
[05:12] <memer> ok, so it runs faster on the ibook, but i guess the thing is that your ibook has more ram
[05:12] <Rafael_Kafka> good afternoon to all
[05:12] <dizzie> 'lo
[05:12] <xocer> Rafael_Kafka, buenas tardes ;)
[05:12] <thynis> yeah but her processor is double mine
[05:13] <jason> everything seems fine, I would now be questioning the gateway configuration, the hardware, or the drivers
[05:13] <Rafael_Kafka> What boot command can i use in ubnutu cd for the cd give me option to use /dev/hdc5 for ubuntu?
[05:13] <thynis> reon: are you asking if it's faster then windoze
[05:13] <Rafael_Kafka> xocer: buenas!
[05:13] <memer> thynis: hmmmmmmmm.... cool. you've been the first one who could even approach answering the Q for me. thanks.
[05:13] <thynis> np :) glad to be some help
[05:13] <memer> (i'll scroll up to read the specs again)
[05:13] <wjesus_axl> I set it up for using it on windows.. I never got any problem
[05:13] <reon> yes, is linux faster than windoze on the HP & you MAc ?
[05:14] <Rafael_Kafka> xocer: doyou know how can i do?
[05:14] <xocer> yes i know
[05:14] <thynis> also just to let you know my bestfriend just bought a macmini and put ubuntu on it and it blows my computer away
[05:14] <jason> there are no linux drivers for the card?
[05:14] <Rafael_Kafka> the ubuntu cd just give me the option to format my hd's or use the free space
[05:14] <wjesus_axl> I saw there was madwifi
[05:14] <thynis> reon: it's a lot faster then windows unreal faster lol
[05:14] <xocer> wait a minute
[05:14] <wjesus_axl> wich is built for atheros
[05:14] <Rafael_Kafka> i need install in hdc5
[05:14] <jason> i would readup and give em a shot
[05:14] <thynis> reon: she didn't like it at first, but then after she had her computer up for about 2 weeks with no crashes
[05:14] <wjesus_axl> but I could never find any proper dirver
[05:14] <Rafael_Kafka> xocer: thank you
[05:15] <thynis> she was pretty excited
[05:15] <nicc> wjesus_axl: ?
[05:15] <jason> ill try to find a link
[05:15] <thynis> and she can't get over how if you click on something it opens lol and you don't have to wait
[05:15] <wjesus_axl> a link to what?
[05:15] <demha> anyone here using nvidia/xorg composite ?
[05:15] <reon> thynis. good news. How does it compare to OS X on the mac speedwise. Maybe I can convert my brother, lol
[05:15] <jason> madwifi howto
[05:16] <memer> thynis: how are the mac mini specs compared to yours?
[05:16] <demha> anyone with an nvidia card i recommend to try out composite ( a whole side of linux that's too pretty)
[05:16] <thynis> reon: hmmmm... I will say that it is faster then OS X... I hate to say that cause I love os x... but it's the truth
[05:16] <thynis> reon: and I have to say that it is the most stable operating system I've ever ran
[05:16] <thynis> all opinions of course
[05:16] <reon> thynis, I'll start preaching to my brother then !
[05:16] <memer> reon: i've already read numerous reviews that say linux is faster than os x on the same hardware
[05:16] <xocer> Rafael_Kafka, how many HD have you?
[05:17] <thynis> I love having ununtu and OS X on my ibook
[05:17] <thynis> definitly best of both worlds :)
[05:17] <jason> "I haven't tried the compile-from-cvs method on Hoary yet. I took the easy route and installed the linux-restricted-modules package which contains the madwifi drivers."
[05:17] <thynis> if I could just get maconlinux installed I would be the happiest man alive
[05:17] <jason> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=13897
[05:17] <wjesus_axl> ubuntu has madwifi
[05:18] <reon> thynis, memer, I have bee running Hoary since Monday. Had some issues at first but beginning to love it. I only boot into Win for Skype.
[05:18] <memer> thynis: was ubuntu easy to load on your mac, or did it require a lot of fairly expertish tweaking to keep both OSs on there
[05:18] <Rafael_Kafka> xocer: i have two hd'
[05:18] <memer> isn't there skype for linux?
[05:18] <thynis> reon: I use os x to much
[05:18] <jason> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[05:18] <Absynthe> memer yes.
[05:19] <thynis> memer: nope.. easy easy easy install
[05:19] <Absynthe> memer on their front page you can downloade it.
[05:19] <Rafael_Kafka> xocer: i nee install ubnutu in hdc5
[05:19] <thynis> memer: you just put the cd in and let it go to town
[05:19] <xocer> Rafael_Kafka, and where do you want to install ubuntu?
[05:19] <Rafael_Kafka> xocer:  in hdc5
[05:19] <thynis> memer: the only thing bad is partitioning
[05:20] <thynis> and it wasn't hard... I just had to back up my macosx side
[05:20] <reon> memer, yes but it does not work properly for amd64, there is a fix at http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=16143&page=3  but i'm having hassles. I'm the last sod to post in that thread
[05:20] <memer> aw, after trying 20+ distros, i'm comfortable enough with partitioning (that is, if i'm using one OS for the whole drive).
[05:20] <jason> wjesus_axl: sorry I wasnt more help I know nothing about ndiswrapper and your problem has me stumped, if there is a linux driver I would try it
[05:20] <xocer> and can't you do it in hdc5?
[05:20] <Rafael_Kafka> xocer: but the ubuntu cd just give me the option to use free space or apagar o hd
[05:20] <memer> reon: oh, is that right?
[05:20] <thynis> memer: then you will have no problem at all
[05:20] <memer> thynis; have you tried skype on your mac?
[05:20] <memer> ubuntu mac
[05:20] <Rafael_Kafka> xocer: the ubuntu cd dont give me the otpion to use hdc5
[05:21] <reon> yes, have a look at the thread. you can also run it under linux32 emulation. I dont want that, I have a 64bit cpu and want to use it. Maybe i'm just doing something wrong
[05:21] <Rafael_Kafka> xocer:  a friend said to me that using a boot command this otpion would give to me
[05:21] <thynis> memer: I guarentee you that you will be in shock when it's installed and up and running in like 20-25 minutes :)
[05:21] <Rafael_Kafka> xocer: but he don't know how boot option
[05:21] <memer> reon: ok, you're way beyond me. sounds cool tho
[05:21] <Entity> Hello, when I try to modprobe ath_pci I get the following : FATAL: Error inserting ath_pci (/lib/modules/2.6.10-4-powerpc/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ath/ath_pci.ko): Invalid module format ... someone has an idea?
[05:22] <xocer> Rafael_Kafka, que no se ingles coo, me quieres decir que solo te deja elegir discos y no te deja pillar una particion para la instalacin?
[05:22] <Entity> (I'm trying to use madwifi)
[05:22] <wjesus_axl> My laptop doesn't recognize
[05:22] <Rafael_Kafka> xocer: si, si,
[05:22] <wjesus_axl> the command cvs
[05:22] <Absynthe> is there an apt-get for java support?
[05:22] <memer> thynis: you're giving me goose bumps. might be able to have my cake and eat it too
[05:22] <reon> memer, trust me i'm not. thisis a steep learning curve for me :) I'm like a fish out of water here
[05:22] <Rafael_Kafka> xocer: o cd no me deixa instalar no hdc5
[05:23] <LinuxJones> Entity, sounds like the module might be corrupted
[05:24] <memer> thynis: ok, but how low do you think it safe to go on a mac ram-wise? on wintel, you dare not go below 128 if you want to have anything remotely resembling a responsive system. can i cheat on a mac box?
[05:24] <memer> reon: join the club ;-)
[05:24] <djp> Entity: Check out http://ubuntuguide.org/#modprobefatalerror
[05:24] <LinuxJones> Entity, are you able to install another kernel (via another ethernet card) ?
[05:24] <reon> memer, looks like membership is free, lol. Thynis has left the house
[05:25] <Entity> LinuxJones, no
[05:25] <memer> reon: yeah, rats. just missed him. shit.
[05:25] <Entity> djp, ok let me check
[05:25] <reon> memer, you installed win codecs yet ?
[05:25] <LinuxJones> Entity, yikes...is it possible to temporarily put another nic in that machine or is it a laptop or something ?
[05:26] <Entity> LinuxJones, it's an Apple powerbook G4
[05:26] <sophie_> hi ebody
[05:26] <memer> reon: nope.  i haven't actually messed with my linux box in months now what with a move and laziness. i jammed libranet on there and it took care of everything. (you've got to try that amazing Adminmenu thing)
[05:27] <reon> memer, tell me more ?
[05:27] <memer> reon: juuust gettnig back into it again.
[05:27] <haapamik> hoary amd64 ... network breaks every few hours, messages & syslog tells nothing, only thing i can tell that dhclient3 process have vanished
[05:27] <LinuxJones> Entity, you can probably just download the the kernel .deb file using the machine your on now and burn it to cd ?
[05:27] <haapamik> ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0 does not help
[05:27] <jack|h> So i've gotten ubuntu up and running but the only application that seems to be able to play sound is gnome.  Everything else either hangs or is silent.
[05:27] <jack|h> any suggestions?
[05:27] <reon> haapamik, done a update & upgrade ?
[05:27] <Entity> LinuxJones, I'm not installing a new kernel
[05:27] <haapamik> reon: yes
[05:27] <memer> reon: well, it's basically debian but with their own installer and a kind of control area that you can use to set up sound, install java, flash, fix your resolution, wash your dishes...
[05:27] <Entity> LinuxJones, my system is up to date
[05:28] <oly_> eeek, help any way i can end totem it has frozenand taken the rest of my gui out
[05:28] <Entity> LinuxJones, I'm trying to use madwifi ;)
[05:28] <oly_> i can get to a commadn line using ctrl + alt + f1
[05:28] <reon> memer, sounds like something for me ? got a link to a guide ?
[05:28] <reon> brb
[05:28] <LinuxJones> Entity, what I am saying is that the kernel module that your using, is probably corrupted or not compiled correctly. If you try another kernel it might solve the problem.
[05:28] <oly_> is there anything i can do to kill that specific app ?
[05:28] <memer> reon: www.libranet.com
[05:29] <sophie_> memer hi
[05:29] <oly_> is there a shortcut key to force quit ?
[05:29] <oly_> anyone got any suggestions i dont really want to reboot
[05:29] <LinuxJones> Entity, what's the module name your trying to load again ?
[05:29] <memer> sophie: heya
[05:29] <zenrox> alt+ctrl+backspace
[05:29] <sophie_> memer i'll need some help
[05:30] <oly_> yeah but i will loose stuff i am workin on
[05:30] <zenrox> on in x
[05:30] <reon> memer, thanks, I'll check it out now. is it a straight forward install on ubuntu ?
[05:30] <oly_> i just want to end totem
[05:30] <zenrox> only in x
[05:30] <haapamik> what bootscript runs dhclient3 ???
[05:30] <memer> sophie: i doubt i'll be able to help, but i'll try...
[05:30] <sophie_> memer i 'd like to read dvds on HOARY
[05:30] <zenrox> oh
[05:30] <thoreauputic> oly_: try typing xkill in a terminal, then zap with your mouse
[05:30] <memer> reon: coming
[05:31] <Entity> LinuxJones, I try to load ath_pci, but it then should load ath_hal, wlan, ath_rate
[05:31] <sophie_> memer any suggestion about repositories ?
[05:31] <oly_> hum, thoreauputic xkill says cant get display
[05:31] <thoreauputic> oly_: the cursor changes to a sort of gun-sight ;)
[05:31] <Entity> LinuxJones, same error for all modules
[05:31] <wjesus_axl> hey jason
[05:31] <wjesus_axl> I'm installin the restricted modules
[05:31] <oly_> is that perhaps because ctrl + alt + f1 is seperate to f7 ?
[05:31] <wjesus_axl> from hoary
[05:31] <thoreauputic> oly_: in X, not console
[05:31] <oly_> x gui has frozen
[05:32] <shevegen> hi, question, when i use "apt-get install build-essential", will it need to download remote files? am asking cuz i want to install on PCs without internet connection
[05:32] <oly_> hence the prob :p
[05:32] <wjesus_axl> I guess I need to get rid of the old drivers because the madwifi has some drivers for atheros
[05:32] <thoreauputic> oly_: then try  kilall totem
[05:32] <memer> sophie: i knew this would be quick ;-)  i'm way out of my depth on that. reon: i'm sorry to tell you that adminmenu is part of the distro. honestly, i'm much more a neophyte than you
[05:32] <thoreauputic> killall sorry
[05:32] <zenrox> oly then if x froze alt_ctrl+backspace is all you can do
[05:32] <oly_> thxs a lot The-Ghost|afk
[05:33] <oly_> thxs a lot thoreauputic
[05:33] <oly_> that worked perfectly
[05:33] <thoreauputic> oly_: Ok
[05:33] <thoreauputic> uh -huh
[05:33] <oly_> ended totem, and the gui works again yay
[05:33] <kapputu> guys I screwed up my partitions in my desktop
[05:33] <kapputu> I need to reinstall Ubuntu now
[05:33] <dmoyne> hello ! ; if I want to install debian packages from "http://packages.debian.org/testing" what should I add as a new source in synaptic : "URI=http://packages.debian.org/testing" ; what else ? ; thanks.
[05:33] <kapputu> when I try to do that, I only see hda
[05:33] <kapputu> but I do have a ext3 partition
[05:34] <Entity> djp, so I added the tree lines at the end, what's next?
[05:34] <navreet> hi, just dist-upgraded to hoary... when Xorg started (instead of XFree86), it maxed out my resolution to 1024x768... my native resolution is 1280x1024, how can I fix it?
[05:35] <djp> Entity: reboot
[05:35] <Entity> djp, WARNING: Error inserting ath_hal (/lib/modules/2.6.10-4-powerpc/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ath_hal/ath_hal.ko): Invalid module format
[05:35] <Entity> djp, damn, Windows style right? ;)
[05:35] <kapputu> Entity: they are trying to fix that
[05:35] <kapputu> I went back to 2.6.8
[05:36] <reon> sophie, do you want to play movies ?
[05:36] <Entity> kapputu, ok let's reboot that ppc notebook
[05:36] <djp> Entity: that link only works if you are getting the message at boot when hotplugs load, it may not be relevant to your problem...
[05:37] <pi> Has anybody in hoary using gnome gotten xinerama to work properly?
[05:39] <kapputu> how's Ranish Partition Manager
[05:40] <craigaa> when mounting a CD-ROM with nautilus in browse mode, and the tree sidebar enabled, a cd-rom device appears in the tree pane. How do I get this to happen with mounted hard drives?
[05:42] <Absynthe> holy crap.....  Insight did upgrade my cable modem.
[05:42] <navreet> hi, Xorg is not detecting my max resolution, how can I fix this?!
[05:42] <Absynthe> I'm in the process of dist-upgrade on this pc, and the otherone just benchmarked 3025 down....
[05:42] <Seveas> .close
[05:42] <sophie_> memer i 'd like to play dvd on hoary
[05:43] <PacoBCN> sophie, seen the howtos?
[05:43] <Absynthe> sophie_, I did a google search for +ubuntu +mplayer and came up with a solution.
[05:43] <Entity> djp, kapputu , same errors :WARNING: Error inserting ath_hal (/lib/modules/2.6.10-4-powerpc/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ath_hal/ath_hal.ko): Invalid module format WARNING: Error inserting wlan (/lib/modules/2.6.10-4-powerpc/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/net80211/wlan.ko): Invalid module format WARNING: Error inserting ath_rate_onoe (/lib/modules/2.6.10-4-powerpc/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ath_rate/onoe/ath_rate_onoe.ko): Invalid module format FA
[05:43] <Entity> TAL: Error inserting ath_pci (/lib/modules/2.6.10-4-powerpc/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ath/ath_pci.ko): Invalid module format
[05:43] <Absynthe> found an article on turning ubuntu into a multimedia powerhouse or something like that.
[05:44] <memer> absynthe: phew
[05:44] <Absynthe> memer ?
[05:44] <memer> absynthe: whut the?
[05:44] <memer> absynthe: i thot you were just about to give sophie the goods. then she signs off?
[05:45] <Absynthe> heh....
[05:45] <Quest-Master> navreet: sudo dpkg-configure xserver-xorg -- I believe
[05:45] <Loevborg> anyone have a clue why playing encrypted dvds with totem/xine/... is painfully slow? (on a fast machine)
[05:45] <Absynthe> I suppose I can do the googlesearch again, and actually get the URL :)
[05:45] <memer> i was feelin guilty cuz i had no answers
[05:45] <kapputu> navreet: if u are using a laptop, install xorg-driver-synaptics as well
[05:45] <memer> ohhh, i see. she prolly thot you were bein a smartass
[05:45] <bleb_> I have dist-upgraded to hoary in march, but it looks like my nvidia driver is always breaking (have to reinstall it again, and right now no matter what I do I can't run GL programs), and my boot process is really slow (2 minutes on a P4 2.6hz with 1gb of ram!). Do anyone think doing a fresh install of hoary may solve some things?
[05:45] <memer> heh
[05:46] <navreet> Quest-Master, thanks.. this tool is great! :)... but this is a bug, it should've worked out of the box. oh well
[05:46] <Absynthe> wow a google search of: +ubuntu +mplayer = the first and second article will get you sorted out.
[05:46] <rapha> Hi all!
[05:46] <gfxstyler> hi
[05:46] <Absynthe> http://www.oldskoolphreak.com/tfiles/hack/ubuntu.txt
[05:46] <memer> so anybody else here with experience putting ubuntu on mac?
[05:46] <gfxstyler> i formatted my mp3 player with linux and now it cannot read any files anymore
[05:47] <gfxstyler> how can i fix that?
[05:47] <memer> absynthe: i hope she saw that
[05:47] <Absynthe> I'm sure she didn't...
[05:47] <memer> wattayagonna do?
[05:47] <memer> *shrugs*
[05:48] <Entity> djp, Kapputu, I need to put the module names in the blacklist file? or the module name shown in the FAQ?
[05:48] <Absynthe> while I like to help when I can, I still subscribe to the RTFM, and FGI philosiphies.
[05:48] <Absynthe> that's it, no more SAT words before my first pot of coffee is gone.
[05:48] <sproingie> Absynthe: FGI?
[05:48] <memer> FGI?
[05:48] <Absynthe> flarking google it.
[05:48] <thr1ce> fucking google it?
[05:48] <sproingie> ah, JFGI
[05:48] <thr1ce> lol
[05:48] <MaDsKiLLz_Laptop> just gotta say, hoary is very nice
[05:48] <memer> heh
[05:48] <MaDsKiLLz_Laptop> ^.^
[05:48] <sproingie> i dont recognize it without the J
[05:48] <MaDsKiLLz_Laptop> props to the ubuntu team
[05:49] <Absynthe> anyone here ever spend a lot of time working on a redhat, or Forsakencore distro?
[05:49] <sproingie> jfgi doesnt work for very recent breakage of course.  need a good search front end for bug databases
[05:49] <Loevborg> I another thing: is it possible to duplicate a video dvd using k3b?
[05:50] <Absynthe> I'
[05:50] <thr1ce> not copywritten DVD
[05:50] <kapputu> anyone help with Partition Managers??
[05:50] <kapputu> I screwed up my Windows partitions and now I cannot install Ubuntu
[05:50] <sproingie> Absynthe: i partly admin a RHEL box at work.  but  dont actually touch the redhat side of things much, i use openpkg on it
[05:50] <Loevborg> thr1ce, what do you mean?
[05:50] <thr1ce> a movie DVD?
[05:50] <Absynthe> i'd like to credit the Ubuntu team for coming up with a way to upgrade the entire operating system in two command lines, vs.....  "up2date"
[05:50] <sproingie> Absynthe: thank debian for that
[05:50] <Loevborg> thr1ce, yes.
[05:50] <Absynthe> sproingie, is it just me, or is up2date a royal pain in the ass.
[05:51] <thr1ce> upgradepkg works fine ^_^
[05:51] <reon> Absynthe, just wish they would do a nice idiot proof admin utility
[05:51] <sproingie> Absynthe: for me it isn't, because they had the lack of sense to install RHEL without provisioning credits
[05:51] <sproingie> Absynthe: so i can't even use it.  ergo i use openpkg to install stuff
[05:52] <sproingie> god forbid there's *ever* a security hole that needs patching.  ah well it's just a lab machine, firewalled like hell
[05:52] <Absynthe> my workstation at work is on fc3 of some revision or another....  If it wasn't going to take me so long to get all the windows software working correctly, I'd format it, and load ubuntu on it.
[05:52] <sproingie> the quasi-production suse9 box OTOH, has been like buttah
[05:53] <sproingie> i highly recommend suse9 over rhel unless you know exactly what you need rhel specifically for
[05:53] <Entity> kapputu, you went back to what kernel?
[05:53] <sproingie> e.g. oracle is easier to get support for with rhel
[05:53] <kapputu> 2.6.8.1-4-386
[05:54] <sproingie> 'course for everything else i recommend debian, and now i'm an ubuntu convert :)
[05:54] <caff> as am i
[05:54] <djp> Entity: the module name
[05:54] <sproingie> thought the name was silly, but it kinda grows on ya
[05:54] <sproingie> it's fun to say "ubuntu"
[05:54] <Entity> djp, but will I be able to use that module after that?
[05:54] <Absynthe> when upgrading from warty to hoary, it asks several times if I want to keep an old file, or install a new one.  what's the recomended method, on what's basically a base install?
[05:54] <caff> apt-get is new to me but heh itll do
[05:55] <pi> Absynthe: if you haven't really edited the config files, take the new ones
[05:55] <Absynthe> pi thanks
[05:56] <sproingie> ia32-libs is still broken BTW...  how would i file a bug on it?
[05:56] <sproingie> i've never actually filed a debian bug before
[05:57] <sproingie> and if it's a debian thing and not ubuntu specifically, does it get passed upstream?
[05:57] <navreet> hi, when I upgraded to hoary, my sound stopped working :(
[05:57] <roam> Does anybody have a pointer do an isdn howto for hoary?
[05:57] <kapputu> can you switch b/w KDE and GNOME in Ubuntu?
[05:57] <thr1ce> xwmconfig?
[05:57] <sproingie> kapputu: yep.  apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[05:57] <kapputu> I tried the live CD and it's cool
[05:58] <sproingie> or just apt-get install kde if you prefer to cherry pick
[05:58] <kapputu> lots of eyecandy
[05:58] <pi> navreet: Open a terminal and run 'alsamixer', does that identify your sound card correctly?
[05:58] <navreet> pi, yes
[05:58] <navreet> pi, it also has all the volumes set correctly, and nothing is muted
[05:58] <thr1ce> what are you tryi9ng to play music in?
[05:59] <navreet> pi, also, xmms crashes... I am using aplay
[05:59] <pi> navreet: what window manager?
[05:59] <navreet> pi, gnome
[05:59] <pi> navreet: does xmms crash when you try to play, or on load?
[06:00] <navreet> pi, on load
[06:00] <St3althcAt> back to annoy u! :)
[06:00] <sproingie> is there a commandline proggie to file a bug on a package?
[06:00] <sproingie> like apt-bug?
[06:00] <navreet> libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[06:00] <navreet> Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!
[06:00] <St3althcAt> well I've sucessfuly installed gcc and the speedtouch drivers
[06:00] <pi> navreet: have you tried a different kernel?
[06:00] <navreet> pi, just rebooted with .10
[06:01] <St3althcAt> but I use the command copy speedtouch....zip to /etc/speedtouch/ and i get the error: bash: copy:, something like that
[06:01] <navreet> pi, ::sigh:: this seems to be so buggy
[06:01] <St3althcAt> but I use the command copy speedtouch....zip to /etc/speedtouch/ and i get the error: bash: copy: command not found, something like that
[06:01] <LinuxJones> navreet, you need to install libmikmod
[06:01] <pi> navreet: could you check that the appropriate modules are loaded?
[06:02] <navreet> LinuxJones, shouldn't apt do that for me?
[06:02] <LinuxJones> navreet, for some reason it's not listed as a dependency you need libmikmod2
[06:02] <St3althcAt> can anyone help me? :)
[06:02] <navreet> LinuxJones, should I file a bug report? (it works now btw)
[06:03] <LinuxJones> navreet, it's been that way for a while. Sure file a bug ;)
[06:04] <St3althcAt> lol is my question that "noobish"?
[06:04] <thr1ce> copy?
[06:04] <thr1ce> cp?
[06:04] <St3althcAt> OH YEAH!
[06:04] <St3althcAt> lol
[06:04] <LinuxJones> St3althcAt, :)
[06:04] <St3althcAt> remember now
[06:04] <djp> anyone know how to get to the login screen when your monitor does not support resolutions higher than 800x600? all i get at present is a black scree and the monitor light starts to flash...
[06:04] <St3althcAt> lol
[06:04] <sproingie> St3althcAt: if no one knows, you get silence.  it's irc etiquette to not spam a channel with "dunno" responses
[06:05] <djg> CTRL+ALT+F1
[06:05] <St3althcAt> gonna try, want to get internet workin on linux
[06:05] <St3althcAt> cya
[06:05] <farruinn> djp: sounds like you need to fix your XF86Config-4
[06:05] <djg> djp: CTRL+ALT+F1 will get you the first terminal.
[06:05] <pi> Has anybody in hoary using gnome gotten xinerama to work properly?
[06:05] <sproingie> or in this case, no one listened.  yes, there is no "copy" command.  sigh
[06:05] <farruinn> djp: make sure your horizontal and vertical refresh rates aren't out of range
[06:05] <djg> reon: Got it working (finally).
[06:06] <nanomad> i've a question: whenever i try to start tvtime (in a terminal) it complains about YUY2 extension, and suggest to use gatos drivers. I'd like to use my fglrx. is there a way to fix all?
[06:06] <Rafael_Kafka> if i chooae use free space in ubuntu installation what happen?
[06:07] <farruinn> sproingie: what? doesn't he want cp?
[06:07] <Rafael_Kafka> i need install in hdc5
[06:07] <pi> Rafael_Kafka: that's just using space from an unpartitioned part of the disk
[06:07] <bleb_> Hi, I've dist-upgraded to hoary in march, but it looks like my nvidia driver is always breaking (and right now no matter what I do I can't run GL programs), and my boot process is really slow (2 minutes on a P4 2.6hz with 1gb of ram!). Do anyone think doing a fresh install of hoary may solve some things?
[06:07] <farruinn> Rafael_Kafka: you can have the free space automatically partitioned
[06:07] <thr1ce> bleb_, /topic
[06:07] <bleb_> topic?
[06:07] <sproingie> farruinn: yah but he got impatient and left.  oh well
[06:07] <Rafael_Kafka> farruinn: but i need install in hdc5
[06:08] <reon> bleb_ When is the las time you did a update/upgrade ?
[06:08] <sproingie> methinks if one doesn't know the cp command, they should stick to gui
[06:08] <djp> djg: yeah thanks guys i was just doing that... how do i go about altering the XFSConfig-4 file?
[06:08] <farruinn> Rafael_Kafka: I don't understand what th eproblem is...
[06:08] <critter> Can anyone Recommend couple really good sites to d/l apps ??
[06:08] <farruinn> critter: use synaptic, it's built in
[06:08] <Rafael_Kafka> farruinn: the problem is that ubuntu give me free ptions
[06:08] <sproingie> critter: enable multiverse and universe.  thousands of apps right there
[06:08] <Rafael_Kafka> farruinn: format one of my hd's
[06:09] <Rafael_Kafka> farruinn: or use free space
[06:09] <djtansey> this is non-ubuntu specific (but necessary for an ubuntu install). i need a small linux image that can be loaded into memory from grub (vmlinuz/initrd.gz pair). i need it to split a windows fat32 partition i have (so i can mount a ubuntu install CD image as a loopback device) and then i need an ubuntu install cd that has support for the module loop. help?
[06:09] <Rafael_Kafka> farruinn: but i need use hdc5
[06:09] <thoreauputic> critter: much easier to use the package manager, synaptic
[06:09] <critter> Ive enabled all the sites in the list
[06:09] <Marble2> is there any good programs in linux for mass editing id3 tags?
[06:10] <thoreauputic> critter: then you have over 13 000 apps to choose from...
[06:10] <farruinn> Rafael_Kafka: and hdc5 isn't one of the options, is that what you're saying?
[06:10] <sproingie> djtansey: i recommend splitting the partition first before anything else.  google for "system rescue cd" and use qtparted
[06:10] <Rafael_Kafka> farruinn: yes
[06:10] <farruinn> Rafael_Kafka: btw, hdc is *usually* the cdrom...
[06:10] <Rotund> has anyone here done diskless ubuntu?
[06:10] <Rafael_Kafka> farruinn: in my pc is the second hd
[06:10] <djtansey> sproingie: yeah -- but i have no CDrom... so it has to be a rescue CD i can boot the image from grub (which i have working alongside windows)
[06:10] <Rafael_Kafka> farruinn: cdrom is hdd in my pc
[06:11] <mattgirv> Is there a better GUI for VLC, some sort of frontend, because I am really not getting on with the VLC interface.
[06:11] <critter> Was really looking for a good gui virus scanner .. None in the packages that I could see..
[06:11] <djtansey> sproingie: i will be wiping windows when i do hte install. old laptop -- i have nothing. and ubuntu doesn't support my stupid wifi card so  ican't install from the network
[06:11] <farruinn> Rafael_Kafka: oh, select to do "advanced" or "manual" partition
[06:11] <Rafael_Kafka> farruinn: i select
[06:11] <reon> bleb_ ?
[06:12] <Rafael_Kafka> farruinn: and then they just give me the 3 option
[06:12] <sproingie> djtansey: i didn't know grub could boot an iso image copied to a partition... there's a weird trick in bsd installers to do that, but i dont know anything more about it
[06:12] <nanomad> critter: virus scanner?
[06:12] <thoreauputic> critter: why do you need a virus scanner?
[06:12] <farruinn> critter: you're using LINUX, that's anti-virus in and of itself
[06:12] <farruinn> (or at least that's how I look at it)
[06:12] <critter> Doesnt everyone?
[06:12] <thoreauputic> critter: are you admin on a windows network or something?
[06:13] <Marble2> How do I get all my windows fonts onto ubuntu?
[06:13] <critter> Really . Im very new to linux
[06:13] <farruinn> critter: the only possible reason you would want to use anti-virus software would be to protect your friends
[06:13] <farruinn> critter: there are virtually no viruses for linux
[06:13] <Rafael_Kafka> farruinn: a friend talk me about an boot option for ubuntu give me more partions options
[06:13] <thoreauputic> critter: viruses just aren't an issue in linux
[06:13] <sproingie> critter: "gui virus scanner" for what, gui viruses?  you can google for linux antivirus and get half a dozen hits, some have webby front ends
[06:13] <djtansey> sproingie: it can't. it can boot ubuntu's installer (vmlinuz/initrd.gz) from the partition and then the installer can loopback an ISO. but grub can load a virtual floppy image -- trying to find one with parted that is only one disk
[06:13] <Marble2> I'm at corefonts.sf.net but Ubuntu doesn't use rpms does it?
[06:13] <critter> I do have to other windows system connected to this one
[06:13] <critter> two
[06:13] <sproingie> thoreauputic: not against linux, but it's nice to have an AV for a mail spool
[06:13] <Rafael_Kafka> farruinn: but i don't know and he don't know what command
[06:13] <skora> Marble2, no it doesnt
[06:13] <skora> it uses DEBs
[06:14] <farruinn> Rafael_Kafka: hrm, it should be on the same screen that you're looking at now...
[06:14] <thoreauputic> sproingie: that's why I asked if he had a windows network
[06:14] <farruinn> Rafael_Kafka: or maybe you need to select the "repartion harddrive" first and that will allow you to do it manually
[06:14] <farruinn> Rafael_Kafka: so you can select hdc
[06:14] <Marble2> they don
[06:14] <critter> I did a google search found nothing that worked
[06:14] <Marble2> they don't offer a deb
[06:14] <Rafael_Kafka> farruinn: do you know this boot option for ubuntu cd give me the option for format hdc5?
[06:14] <Marble2> So how do I get some windows fonts here?
[06:14] <sproingie> djtansey: i suspect you'll need multiple steps.  if you have hardware access, it might be better to steal another machine's cdrom and drop it in
[06:14] <farruinn> Rafael_Kafka: I don't think you need a boot option
[06:15] <trey_> Marble2: apt-get install msttcorefonts
[06:15] <thoreauputic> sproingie: I guess if you run your own mail server ...
[06:15] <Rafael_Kafka> farruinn: i can't fomat all hdc, i just can't format hdc5
[06:15] <Marble2> thanks trey
[06:15] <sproingie> i find probably 95% of viruses can be stopped by filtering on attachment content-type  and extensions
[06:15] <farruinn> Rafael_Kafka: did you select "format harddrive" and hit return?
[06:15] <farruinn> er, enter
[06:15] <djtansey> sproingie: it's a laptop, and i don't have a usb CDROM. or a pcmcia ethernet card. i pretty much am forced to install it from the harddrive
[06:15] <trey_> Marble2: any others... just throw them in /usr/share/fonts
[06:16] <srid> any phone recording software for linux?
[06:16] <sproingie> i wouldn't sell that as a safe antivirus, but it will keep your spool size down
[06:16] <mattgirv> srid, Kphonerec
[06:16] <critter> SO how does Linux Stop email virus???
[06:16] <srid> mattgirv, i have only gnome installed :-(
[06:16] <Quest-Master> critter: E-mail viruses are designed to kill Windows systems
[06:16] <djtansey> sproingie: maybe i could just mirror some linux distribution that is already laid-out (doesn't require an installer) and then work from there.
[06:16] <Quest-Master> critter: And Linux is not Windows :)
[06:16] <farruinn> critter: does your ubuntu box act as a mail server for your other computers?
[06:16] <thoreauputic> critter: it doesn't need to - 99.99% of viruses only run on windows
[06:16] <Marble2> trey_: Where did it install those fonts I just got to?
[06:17] <farruinn> critter: if it doesn't don't worry about it
[06:17] <sproingie> djtansey: hm, no cd and no net.  challenging ...  how are you going to transfer the iso image over?
[06:17] <critter> No it doesnt
[06:17] <srid> mattgirv, no such software
[06:17] <srid> mattgirv, you dahs
[06:17] <mattgirv> :(
[06:17] <mattgirv> lol
[06:17] <critter> Cool
[06:17] <trey_> Marble2: see for yourself... 'dpkg -L msttcorefonts'
[06:17] <sproingie> djtansey: built-in ethernet or just some winmodem?
[06:17] <JDahl> critter, how is linux vulnerable to email viruses?
[06:17] <andrewski> is it possible to read SACDs in linux?  i'm not sure if my drive's not supported, or if it's the driver.
[06:17] <trey_> Marble2: should be /usr/share/fonts though  :/
[06:18] <mattgirv> sorry srid :P did sound linuxey tho huh? :P
[06:18] <thoreauputic> critter: welcome to a well-designed OS ;)
[06:18] <Rafael_Kafka> farruinn: i cant formart all hdc
[06:18] <_d4vid> http://raus.de/crashme
[06:18] <sproingie> JDahl: technically someone could mail a script, tho linux puts up some barriers there.  mostly it's the fact that they eat up space
[06:18] <andrewski> i guess i should say "the cd portion of sacds"
[06:18] <critter> Jdahl No clue new to Linux
[06:18] <farruinn> Rafael_Kafka: I just burnt the hoary preview release cd, I'm going to install that now, I'll let you know what I do when I'm back
[06:18] <djtansey> sproingie: ancient (1998?) ultralight. one usb. audio in/out. pcmcia. nothing else.
[06:19] <thoreauputic> critter: well, there's one thing less to worry about for you :)
[06:19] <critter> Thore I did not know that . Thanks for the learning exp.. LOL
[06:19] <sproingie> djtansey: i'm curious how you'll get the iso image onto it then.  anyway, you can get ntfsresize on a floppy, then format the new partition as fat in windows
[06:20] <thoreauputic> critter: hehe.... you're welcome :-)
[06:20] <critter> I guess I'll go and setup my email on here
[06:21] <critter> Ive held off doing it till I had a scanner installed
[06:21] <JDahl> sproingie, I remember receiving one those linux email viruses as a joke.. In the bottom if the email it said "please forward this email to people in your address book, save attachemnt "xxx.sh" to disk then log in as root and type sh ./xxx.sh"
[06:21] <sproingie> djtansey: i suspect you'll need a full-blown partition editor.  google for parted floppy,  or partman floppy
[06:21] <djtansey> sproingie: this is the plan -- split the partition. make a 550mb one. put the ISO of ubuntu (hopefully) onto that partition. configure grub to use that ISO's vmlinuz/initrd.gz pair and then mount the iso as a loopback device from a shell in the installer. then it will install from the ISO. then i wipe the ISO and merge it back into the / partition
[06:21] <Quest-Master> Does the mplayer in Hoary work perfectly fine?
[06:21] <mattgirv> works for me
[06:21] <mattgirv> :)
[06:22] <Marble2> does anyone know what font firefox uses by default in windows?
[06:22] <Rafael_Kafka> how can i run   debootstrap_0.2.45?i did install but don't hnow how to run, in old bootstrap i did use this command : DEBOOTSTRAP_DIR=`pwd` ./debootstrap --arch i386 warty /mnt/ubuntu http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu warty
[06:22] <thr1ce> mplayer is no more
[06:22] <Marble2> I want to use that, but i'm not sure what it is
[06:22] <djtansey> sproingie: trying. parted has one. but when i booted from it, it seemed to indicate i needed another floppy. researching that.
[06:22] <Quest-Master> thr1ce: why?
[06:22] <andrewski> are there any screensavers/desktop backgrounds that react to playing music?  i remember using something like that in winamp in windows.
[06:22] <mattgirv> thr1ce, what are you talking about.
[06:22] <sproingie> djtansey: yah it's probably a multi-floppy thing.  you just stick the other floppy in and hit a key
[06:22] <mattgirv> it is still 100% alive
[06:22] <thr1ce> go to their homepage
[06:22] <thoreauputic> thr1ce: yes it is - the site message is just a political statement
[06:22] <critter> xmms is the only player that works on mine
[06:22] <mattgirv> yeah... that doesn't mean mplayer doesn't exist anymore
[06:22] <djtansey> sproingie: i have no floppy drive :) -- i'm using virtual floppies from images on windows through grub
[06:23] <thr1ce> This site has been shut down because of numerous patent violations in MPlayer. The other free software multimedia players are next.
[06:23] <thr1ce> that is not a political statement
[06:23] <mattgirv> er.. link at the bottom
[06:23] <thoreauputic> thr1ce: the site is stil accessible
[06:23] <mattgirv> and mplayer is also in the hoary repos.
[06:23] <thoreauputic> thr1ce: you didn't read far enough
[06:23] <mattgirv> afaik ...
[06:23] <sproingie> djtansey: no floppy, no cdrom, no network.  you have yourself a real big challenge
[06:23] <cocol> sudo apt-get install mplayer-nogui mozilla-mplayer mplayer-fonts
[06:24] <djtansey> sproingie: yeah -- but i have network when in windows (the linksys i use card isn't supported in linux)
[06:24] <sproingie> djtansey: i hesitate to ask how you're going to install anything on linux
[06:24] <neighborlee> why does installing 'nvidia-glx' create the /lib/tls DIR ?..I had to mv /lib/tls /lib/tls.bak to get some of my opengl  game devel library examples to work right...??? ( the escape key was  not functioning but hanging instead the app from exiting)
[06:24] <sproingie> djtansey: you sure?  most linksys hardware is decently supported.  it's probably a dec/intel tulip driver.  use a 2.6 kernel, should work fine
[06:24] <mattgirv> djtansey, just mess around with VMware or something tbh.
[06:24] <andrewski> is there anything we americans can do about the software patent situation?
[06:24] <JDahl> andrewski, no
[06:25] <Rafael_Kafka> how can i run   debootstrap_0.2.45?i did install but don't hnow how to run, in old bootstrap i did use this command : DEBOOTSTRAP_DIR=`pwd` debootstrap --arch i386 warty /mnt/ubuntu http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu warty
[06:25] <andrewski> JDahl: :(
[06:25] <sproingie> andrewski: oddly, microsoft is pushing for patent reform
[06:25] <Quest-Master> djtansey: You can use ndiswrapper with Linksys
[06:25] <djtansey> sproingie: i am going to get the thing to work with ndiswrapper once i have ubuntu installed. it's a 802.11g linksys card that google says isn't supported.
[06:25] <andrewski> sproingie: hmm, interesting.  have a link to a story?
[06:25] <thoreauputic> andrewski: support the civil disobedience that will follow if the parliament passes the directive
[06:25] <djtansey> Quest-Master: i intend to. but i can't use it for the install.
[06:25] <sproingie> andrewski: it's all over google news
[06:25] <mattgirv> djtansey, just mess around with VMware or something tbh.
[06:25] <sproingie> andrewski: news.google.com, search for microsoft patent reform
[06:25] <andrewski> sproingie: ok, thanks.
[06:25] <djtansey> mattgirv: what is tbh? and how would vmware help?
[06:26] <Quest-Master> How can I fully remove a program I've compiled?
[06:26] <sproingie> MS is a latecomer to the patent war, they stand to lose a lot if it keeps up
[06:26] <andrewski> why does mplayer need xmms?  what the crap?!
[06:26] <mattgirv> vmware is a virtual machine, so you run linux or whatever os from within windows.
[06:26] <sproingie> i just thought they'd tough it out for a decade and build up the portfolio.  who knew
[06:26] <mattgirv> you can even create a network bridge so you can use your windows connection
[06:26] <mattgirv> tbh = to be honest
[06:26] <thoreauputic> Quest-Master: there's sometimes a "make uninstall" script
[06:27] <djtansey> mattgirv: i want windows gone. this is an old laptop i picked up from some discarding it. i am a linux zealot -- i'll be happy when windows is dropped. and the thing is from 1998 or so. 300 mhz. 4gb harddrive. it doesn't have space or speed for both
[06:27] <thoreauputic> Quest-Master: use checkinstall to make a deb next time
[06:27] <spenser> ubuntu has issues with vmware though
[06:27] <tolstoy_> is the problem with the nvidia drivers solved for the most recent Hoary kernel?
[06:27] <lunitik> sproingie: why is it strange? they get sued more than anyone else... its good for them if its harder for others to sue them!
[06:27] <djtansey> mattgirv: tbh -- now i get it. thanks.
[06:27] <andrewski> tolstoy_: no problems here.
[06:27] <Rafael_Kafka> how can i run   debootstrap_0.2.45?i did install but don't hnow how to run, in old bootstrap i did use this command : DEBOOTSTRAP_DIR=`pwd` ./debootstrap --arch i386 warty /mnt/ubuntu http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu warty
[06:27] <Quest-Master> thoreauputic: Ok
[06:27] <lunitik> sproingie: they lost over 2 billion last year in 2 lawsuits (sun and novell) ...
[06:27] <mattgirv> djtansey, if you aren't going to have an internet connection, and you don't have a floppy or a cdrom it really is pointless....
[06:27] <mattgirv> sorry but windows is a much more viable option :P
[06:28] <tolstoy_> andrewski, okay.  yesterday, i was getting "invalid module format" for nvidia.ko.
[06:28] <lunitik> mattgirv: then use it?
[06:28] <spenser> hehe
[06:28] <mattgirv> lunitik, ?
[06:28] <andrewski> tolstoy_: dunno.
[06:28] <srid> duh! no ubuntu package for linux-kernel-2.4?
[06:28] <Rafael_Kafka> please help me how can i run   debootstrap_0.2.45?i did install but don't hnow how to run, in old bootstrap i did use this command : DEBOOTSTRAP_DIR=`pwd` ./debootstrap --arch i386 warty /mnt/ubuntu http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu warty
[06:28] <djtansey> mattgirv: i will get the interent to work eventually. you can get my wireless card to work with ndiswrapper.
[06:28] <lunitik> mattgirv: eh... didn't see statement prior...
[06:28] <thoreauputic> Quest-Master: checkinstall is a nice little app - and you can apt-get install it of course
[06:28] <mattgirv> heh
[06:29] <helio7> hey is anyone aware of a printer utility (hp932C) that would let me a) check ink level and b) clean the cartridges?  in 3 months I haven't been forced to boot to Windows, but needing clean photo-printout may be the catch...
[06:29] <JDahl> Quest-Master, as a rule of thumb, if you're just experimenting then dont install as root, rather install somewhere in your home directory,,, then removing it in a harmless way is just a matter of deleting the directories
[06:29] <spenser> i have 3 different wireless pcmcia cards and they all work flawlessly with linux.
[06:29] <lunitik> spenser: wanna send one this way?  :P
[06:29] <thunkee> hi
[06:30] <NeoCicak> question: how do i make it so that module opl3sa2 is loaded automatically everytime i boot my computer, and also, that the command "ln -sf /dev/mixer1 /dev/mixer" is executed on every boot
[06:30] <lunitik> NeoCicak: put it in /etc/modules
[06:30] <thoreauputic> helio7: no button on the printer to clean the cartridges?
[06:30] <andrewski> lunitik: i just tried to send you mine, but it doesn't seem like your wireless card is accepting connections. :P
[06:30] <spenser> lunitik:  i use them all ;)
[06:30] <NeoCicak> what about the command? (ln -sf) ?
[06:30] <helio7> thoreauputic: not that would be nice
[06:31] <spenser> lunitik:  2 support rfmon mode easy and the other one takes a little work, but i need all of them for my notebooks.  you can pick one up cheap though.
[06:31] <thoreauputic> NeoCicak: try appending it to the script /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh
[06:31] <mattgirv> haha printers.. i used an Amiga (A500) and an old Star printer for my last college assignment
[06:32] <navreet> hi, I was going to file a bugreport and found a similar bug (https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6328) can anyone tell me what "needs merge" in the Status Whiteboard means??
[06:32] <NeoCicak> ok...
[06:32] <NeoCicak> i'll try to boot now..
[06:32] <navreet> it seems like they found the solution, but haven't updated the repositories?
[06:32] <lunitik> spenser: eh... I was kidding... wireless seems like a pain in the butt though... always takes a while here, so I just use wired atm
[06:33] <spenser> lunitik:  wireless is easy as hell.
[06:33] <andrewski> and hell's pretty easy.
[06:33] <Rafael_Kafka> aione can help me how can i install bootstrap?
[06:33] <spenser> lunitik:  i have 2 notebooks that i can take with me and pick up a wireless signal just about anywhere.
[06:33] <lunitik> spenser: except when card isn't actually supported...
[06:33] <lunitik> spenser: I really don't care though, just made a comment  :/
[06:34] <lunitik> Rafael_Kafka: apt-get install debootstrap  :/
[06:34] <spenser> lunitik:  why would you get a card thats not supported?
[06:34] <lunitik> Rafael_Kafka: It should be installed already...
[06:34] <lunitik> spenser: dude... leave it alone.
[06:34] <Rafael_Kafka> lunitik: i did his but now i need run bootstrap
[06:34] <lunitik> Rafael_Kafka: read the docs?
[06:34] <Rafael_Kafka> lunitik: how can i run   debootstrap_0.2.45?i did install but don't hnow how to run, in old bootstrap i did use this command : DEBOOTSTRAP_DIR=`pwd` ./debootstrap --arch i386 warty /mnt/ubuntu http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu warty
[06:34] <spenser> lunitik:  dude, why bring it up?
[06:34] <spenser> dude
[06:35] <sproingie> dude, it's a dell
[06:35] <sproingie> oh way
[06:35] <spenser> hehe
[06:35] <djp> ok, i am about to try and edit my XF86Config-4 file. what changes do i need to make in order to support an older monitor that cannot go any higher than 800x600?
[06:35] <Rafael_Kafka> lunitik: yes, i am searching in google
[06:35] <Rafael_Kafka> lunitik: but i did not find
[06:35] <mattgirv> *fight* *fight* *fight* *fight*
[06:35] <sproingie> djp: delete all the resolutions in the conf file that refer to higher resolutions
[06:35] <lunitik> Rafael_Kafka: man debootstrap ... and /usr/share/doc/debootstrap
[06:35] <Rafael_Kafka> lunitik: so i just need the command to run
[06:35] <Marble2> how come every time I try to install the new gaim 1.1.4, I get this error running make
[06:35] <Marble2> greg@Greg:~/gaim-1.1.4 $ make
[06:35] <Marble2> make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
[06:35] <Rafael_Kafka> i seu ,did not work
[06:36] <critter> This is my burning question.When I Install I package,I can't always find it. Windows you can always find it 99% of the time in Program Files. Where dows Linux put them by Defaut???
[06:36] <Marble2> critter: /usr/bin
[06:36] <lunitik> Marble2: 1.1.4 is in the archive... why not use that?
[06:36] <critter> TY TY TY TY
[06:36] <sproingie> critter: similar situation, under the "foot" or the K menu
[06:36] <djp> sproingie: ok, thanks
[06:36] <Rafael_Kafka> lunitik: mi sheel in knoppix did say no entry for bootstrap
[06:37] <sproingie> i wish gnome or kde had a similar trick as windows of hilighting new apps
[06:37] <Rafael_Kafka> lunitik: i try the bootstrap of how to but did not work, so i download the new bootstrap
[06:37] <lunitik> critter: 'dpkg -L pkg' will tell you where it put things.
[06:37] <thoreauputic> Marble2: also sounds like you didn't run ./configure?
[06:37] <sproingie> better would be to have a whole extra "new apps" menu, with an option of "clear new apps" you can click manually
[06:37] <critter> That would be nice for newbies :)
[06:38] <lunitik> sproingie: that would be annoying!
[06:38] <bryan> how do you edit menus in gnome 2.10?
[06:38] <critter> WIll try it
[06:38] <sproingie> lunitik: why?  in kde, you can edit the menu and just not show it
[06:38] <Rafael_Kafka> lunitik: i just need the command of this bootstrap debootstrap_0.2.45
[06:38] <sproingie> i suppose the menu would have to point out where the new apps were in the main menu
[06:38] <sproingie> otherwise it's pointless
[06:38] <lunitik> sproingie: I don't use KDE though, GNOME 2.10 has no menu editor
[06:38] <pi> Has anybody in hoary had trouble with the trash not wanting to empty?
[06:38] <sproingie> lunitik: stby
[06:39] <lunitik> sproingie: what?
[06:39] <sproingie> lunitik: Sucks To Be You.  sorry, the menu editor thing was one of those things that turned me into a partisan
[06:39] <thunkee> is there a program to configure xorg btw which program does the installer use to configure resolution/refresh?
[06:39] <thoreauputic> critter: to find an app, try typing ` which <nameofapp> `
[06:39] <sproingie> that and the gratuitous reversal of "yes" and "no" buttons
[06:39] <bryan> thunkee:  if you've got a ATI, you can do fglrxconfig
[06:40] <lunitik> sproingie: kind of a stupid reason to switch... but hey, KDE folks like bloat, maybe your proposal will go over well with them?
[06:40] <Rafael_Kafka> lunitik: first i try install ubuntu with the cd in hdc5
[06:40] <thoreauputic> critter: without the quotes, of course, in a terminal
[06:40] <critter> Cool Thanks
[06:40] <thunkee> bryan: it's a nvidia mx400
[06:40] <Rafael_Kafka> lunitik: but he just give me the option of format hd or use free space
[06:40] <sproingie> i can live with spatial nautilus, i can live with the file picker, i cannot deal with abruptly changing the order of "yes" and "no"
[06:41] <Rafael_Kafka> lunitik: so i find this how to for install with debbootstrap
[06:41] <thoreauputic> critter: and you can usually start an app by typing it's name e,g,  gaim ,  or  firefox etc
[06:41] <laggerzero> a good ol format always fixes things
[06:41] <Rafael_Kafka> lunitik: but old bootstrap don't work so i download the new
[06:42] <lunitik> sproingie: no reason to live with spatial, just change it back; file picker is basically same now as kde's; I think there is a gconf option to change them back  :/
[06:42] <critter> OK
[06:42] <laggerzero> I've got to admit, ubuntu is probably the best ditro out there based off of debian
[06:42] <sproingie> lunitik: probably why i can live with it.  frankly all i do is run text-oriented apps all day anyway, i could do it in twm for all it matters
[06:42] <mattgirv> Just loaded NeroLINUX and it says I should enable DMA acceleration for my drive.... ehm, how do I do that? :p
[06:42] <jonttu_com> Is there a channel for Finnish people who want to translate ubuntu?
[06:42] <thoreauputic> lunitik: I tend to side with those who think spatial is a brain-damaged idea
[06:43] <laggerzero> why not use k3b?
[06:43] <lunitik> thoreauputic: cool... just don't use spatial?
[06:43] <mattgirv> Sorry but I don't really feel like debating over which application is best, etc....
[06:43] <mattgirv> I wanted to give NeroLINUX a try.
[06:43] <speedy2782> I am in need of a little assistance using ndiswrapper.
[06:43] <sproingie> i like the idea of spatial, and the whole idea of paying attention to consistency of layout over time
[06:44] <thoreauputic> mattgirv: if it isn't already, do  sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc (if hdc is your burner)
[06:44] <laggerzero> ok, was just making a suggestion
[06:44] <lunitik> mattgirv: its gtk1.2, so not going on this box.
[06:44] <sproingie> it just doesnt ring my bell.  is there a gconf option to switch the order of dialog buttons back?
[06:44] <mattgirv> hdc is indeed my burner :)
[06:44] <lunitik> gtk1.2 is *UGLY*
[06:44] <mattgirv> lunitik, funnily enough NeroLINUX isn't ugly, regardless of it using GTK1.x
[06:44] <thoreauputic> lunitik: I don't - but I get sick of explaining how to disable it on this channel
[06:44] <laggerzero> there are still apps out there using gtk 1.x that are mainstream?
[06:45] <sproingie> mattgirv: hdparm -d 1 /dev/hdc
[06:45] <sproingie> mattgirv: put that in a boot script so it runs every time you boot
[06:45] <speedy2782> does anyone in here know much about setting up a wireless card?
[06:45] <mattgirv> oh
[06:45] <laggerzero> i know a little
[06:45] <Marble2> sorry I'm back
[06:45] <laggerzero> i'm about to set up mine
[06:45] <mattgirv> if i do it once, does it not stay permenantly then?
[06:45] <speedy2782> would you be willing to give a little assistance
[06:45] <Marble2> lunitik: the archive shows me 1.0 only?
[06:45] <laggerzero> if you have your windows drivers, use ndiswrapper
[06:45] <Marble2> thoreauputic: i ran ./configure
[06:45] <navreet> is there multiverse for AMD64?
[06:45] <speedy2782> I have been using ndiswrapper
[06:45] <laggerzero> i'm about to install it myself
[06:45] <sproingie> mattgirv: no, it is not permanent
[06:46] <speedy2782> but after I load the .inf the hardware is still NOT present
[06:46] <speedy2782> is there anything I need to do to the pcmcia slot
[06:46] <thoreauputic> Marble2: it would be more sensible to just apt-get install gaim, you know
[06:46] <sproingie> many distros have a hdparm bootup script.  ubuntu does not for whatever reason
[06:46] <laggerzero> not sure, mine is an internal card
[06:46] <laggerzero> did you do a -m aswell?
[06:46] <Marble2> gaim is already the newest version.
[06:46] <Marble2> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[06:47] <Marble2> when I run it it shows 1.0
[06:47] <laggerzero> nidiswrapper -m installs the module
[06:47] <thoreauputic> Marble2: OK - you're on warty, I guess
[06:47] <speedy2782> I have done just about everything. modprobe ndsiwrapper, sudo modprobe, sudo ndiswrapper -m
[06:47] <Marble2> Yes
[06:47] <speedy2782> you name it, I have tried it
[06:47] <Marble2> I was thinking about upgrading to hoary... but it's still in beta
[06:47] <Marble2> and I'm new to linux, I don't want to mess anything up
[06:48] <thoreauputic> Marble2: any particular burning reason you need to upgrade?
[06:48] <thoreauputic> gaim I mean
[06:48] <Marble2> I just like to keep it up to date
[06:48] <Marble2> yea
[06:48] <mattgirv> sproingie, where is my boot script :P
[06:48] <sproingie> speaking of hdparm, i have a SATA drive, does hdparm make any difference on it?
[06:48] <laggerzero> anything when you do iwconfig?
[06:48] <Marble2> should I just upgrade to hoary?
[06:48] <speedy2782> eth0 and lo
[06:48] <speedy2782> no wlan0
[06:48] <thoreauputic> Marble2: if gaim works for you, why upgrade it?
[06:48] <laggerzero> yeah its not seeing it
[06:48] <laggerzero> what about ndiswrapper -l
[06:49] <Marble2> I dunno, that's what someone said last time I needed help upgrading. I just like to keep my software current
[06:49] <speedy2782> net8180 Hardware NOT present
[06:49] <thoreauputic> Marble2: well, dist-upgrade to hoary then
[06:49] <thierry> Where can I get the xv module for ubuntu?
[06:49] <sproingie> mattgirv: you need a script in /etc/init.d and a link to it in the runlevel dir, i think it's /etc/rc3.d
[06:49] <mattgirv> eh?
[06:49] <laggerzero> its saying that its not there:/
[06:49] <Marble2> okay
[06:49] <mattgirv> lol nm i will just run it manually on each boot
[06:49] <carbonate> hi
[06:49] <speedy2782> i have a question about the ndiswrapper.
[06:50] <speedy2782> do I need to have something done to my kernel to make it work properly
[06:50] <laggerzero> i'm no expert on it. I'm still learning
[06:50] <sproingie> mattgirv: it's complicated as all hell, not made much easier by this orthodox sysvinit that ubuntu uses
[06:50] <laggerzero> i don't think so
[06:50] <mdblitz1> just have the source available
[06:50] <speedy2782> on their site it says something about haveing the source
[06:50] <mattgirv> heh
[06:50] <laggerzero> hmmm
[06:50] <speedy2782> how do I make sure I have that?
[06:50] <laggerzero> that might be the case
[06:50] <Norgus> excuse me, my friend is installing ubantu and it won't detect his dialup modem
[06:50] <laggerzero> install kernel-tree 2.6.10
[06:50] <Marble2> thoreauputic: apt-get dist-upgrade hoary
[06:50] <mdblitz1> open synaptic and search for your version number
[06:50] <Marble2> right?
[06:51] <thoreauputic> mattgirv: just adding the command at the end of /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh should do it fine
[06:51] <navreet> arg, I just installed mplayer, and it told me that /usr/bin/gmplayer was installed, but I can't find it?!?!
[06:51] <mdblitz1> if source is green its installed otherwise, you'll need to install it
[06:51] <speedy2782> cannot do that
[06:51] <Quest-Master> How can I "rm" a directory?
[06:51] <speedy2782> no such file or directory
[06:51] <navreet> Quest-Master, rmdir or rm -fr
[06:51] <mdblitz1> rm -rf directory
[06:51] <mattgirv> navreet you should be able to run just by typing "gmplayer" in Run or a terminal
[06:51] <Quest-Master> navreet: Type in gmplayer
[06:51] <thoreauputic> Marble2: no, you need to change all instances of "warty" to "hoary" in /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:51] <Marble2> Quest-Master: rm -rf File/Dir-goes-here
[06:51] <carbonate> i have a problem : since the last hoary upgrade (yesterday, kernel 2.6.10), i have a kernel panic : "pivot_root error, /dev/console : no such file". Is there a solution ?
[06:51] <AndyR> did others find the nvidia xserver broke with latest kernel?
[06:51] <navreet> $ gmplayer
[06:51] <navreet> bash: gmplayer: command not found
[06:52] <Quest-Master> Hmm
[06:52] <mattgirv> try just mplayer
[06:52] <navreet> AndyR, no? i am running both right now
[06:52] <Quest-Master> Open up your /etc/ld.so.conf
[06:52] <navreet> mattgirv, tried that first
[06:52] <dec> i have problem with mplayer on amd64... it's not available
[06:52] <mattgirv> did you install from apt-get
[06:52] <mattgirv> ?
[06:52] <Quest-Master> And add /usr/local/lib and /usr/local/bin in it
[06:52] <Norgus> sorry, does anyone have advice on getting a dialup modem to detect and work?
[06:52] <laggerzero> it took my driver
[06:52] <laggerzero> and i've got a signal
[06:52] <laggerzero> so its not ubuntu
[06:52] <Marble2> thoreauputic: done
[06:52] <Marble2> now what
[06:52] <laggerzero> i don't have the sources installed either
[06:53] <sproingie> must only do so for immediate children
[06:53] <thoreauputic> Marble2:  sudo apt-get update     then   sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:53] <Marble2> ok thanks
[06:53] <navreet> navreet@Lightwave:~ $ sudo dpkg -S mplayer |grep bin [newline]  mplayer-amd64: /usr/bin/gmplayer [newline]  navreet@Lightwave:~ $ /usr/bin/gmplayer
[06:53] <carbonate> i see that it's a common problem, but seems unsolved
[06:53] <Marble2> btw, that problem with vlc you were sorta helping me with got fixed
[06:53] <Marble2> i think that was you anyway
[06:53] <navreet> bash: /usr/bin/gmplayer: No such file or directory
[06:53] <thoreauputic> Marble2: i hope you don't have any backports installed?
[06:54] <Marble2> I don't even know what a backport is... so i guess not
[06:54] <thoreauputic> Marble2: OK  ;-)
[06:54] <djp> ok, last problem i have is with sound. the soundcard is an ess audiodrive
[06:55] <MYOB> is there a simple reason for why there isn't a trash can icon on the desktop?
[06:55] <sproingie> ess audiodrive, blast from the past
[06:55] <navreet> MYOB, some of them like it clean... it's easy to fix though
[06:55] <laggerzero> I love that hoary has all the latest packages
[06:55] <dec> you can add trash icon to panel
[06:55] <thoreauputic> MYOB: because it's on the panel?
[06:55] <djp> sproingie: for sure. trying to get ubuntu running on my boys pc
[06:55] <laggerzero> but the installer is fubared. doesn't ask you for the root pw unless you do expert setup
[06:55] <thoreauputic> laggerzero: that's intentional
[06:56] <lunitik> laggerzero: thats because Ubuntu uses sudo...
[06:56] <MYOB> is it?
[06:56] <laggerzero> ah
[06:56] <laggerzero> oh well
[06:56] <MYOB> Because I must have removed it then...
[06:56] <carbonate> nobody for my problem ?
[06:56] <laggerzero> i'm used to root
[06:56] <laggerzero> whats the difference?
[06:56] <djp> sproingie: so far so good, managed with help here to alter the XF86Config-4 file and ubuntu is now up and running but no sound...
[06:56] <sproingie> djp: i know it works in linux, but it was like 8 years ago for me, so what i would remember wouldn't help much nowadays
[06:56] <thoreauputic> laggerzero: reading the docs can be enlightening ... ;-)
[06:56] <thierry> I've got problems with my video/sound synchronisation. Can anyone help me? Someone told me yesterday that it was caused because the xv module wasn't running. Where can I get this module? help me please
[06:56] <laggerzero> rtfm :/
[06:56] <ompaul> thoreauputic, what are docs?
[06:56] <MYOB> never mind, added it back again...
[06:57] <laggerzero> man sudo
[06:57] <thoreauputic> ompaul: haha
[06:57] <DazeD||laptop> hey all whats the easiest partition manager for windows?
[06:57] <DazeD||laptop> i need to partition before i install
[06:57] <reon> carbonate, fresh install with a cd ?
[06:57] <sproingie> lunitik: aha, that's why my install experience was so different.  i used expert.  expert also doesn't add the first user to sudoers
[06:57] <Quest-Master> Why do I keep on getting broken package errors when trying to install mplayer through apt on hoary? :(
[06:58] <reon> partition magic is easy
[06:58] <laggerzero> i don't even get mplayer on my apt repositories
[06:58] <DazeD||laptop> thanks reon
[06:58] <thoreauputic> Quest-Master: missing repositories
[06:58] <ompaul> Quest-Master, first do apt-get update then try to get it
[06:58] <laggerzero> what repos have mplayer?
[06:58] <reon> but not free
[06:58] <thunkee> hoe do i configure my monitor to get more than 60hz?
[06:58] <Quest-Master> I have universe, multiverse, and nerim..
[06:58] <shushi2005> Where is the Linux source directory located?
[06:58] <laggerzero> or do i have to compile it myself
[06:58] <ompaul> Quest-Master, try apt-get -f update
[06:59] <reon> thunkee, edit the xorg.conf file
[06:59] <DazeD||laptop> Quest-Master: goto www.ubuntuguide.org and goto whre it says how to upgrade to warty and copy and paste the sources
[06:59] <sproingie> shushi2005: usually under /usr/src.  you need to install a linux-source package to get it
[06:59] <DazeD||laptop> soometimes its a lil mistyping
[06:59] <Quest-Master> DazeD||laptop: I've already done that.
[06:59] <DazeD||laptop> hmm
[06:59] <shushi2005> sproingie, I am trying to install linux-wlan-ng,
[06:59] <sproingie> which reminds me, where the freakin hell is linux-source for 2.6.11?
[07:00] <laggerzero> kernel.org
[07:00] <sproingie> it's odd having a binary package for it and no source package
[07:00] <laggerzero> but it won't work on debain
[07:00] <laggerzero> unless you patch it
[07:00] <DazeD||laptop> have u updated ur sources or tried search using apt-cache ?
[07:00] <dec> thunkee: also try system-> preferences -> screen resolution. I'm running 1280x1024 @ 85Hz
[07:00] <mattgirv> lmao i just found a site called tuxwarez
[07:00] <spacey> sproingie, ofcourse there is a source package
[07:00] <sproingie> laggerzero: but that's the whole point of the source packages
[07:00] <laggerzero> wtf
[07:00] <spacey> sproingie, you should search better
[07:00] <Quest-Master> DazeD||laptop: yes.
[07:00] <laggerzero> you have to have the debian one though. they are different
[07:00] <reon> thunkee, get your monitors specs hoz&Vet refresh rates, resolutoins and add them to /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
[07:01] <spacey> sproingie, search for kernel-source
[07:01] <Quest-Master> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[07:01] <Quest-Master>   mplayer-686: Depends: mplayer-586 but it is not going to be installed
[07:01] <DazeD||laptop> so who here runs a wireless card on ubuntu?
[07:01] <Quest-Master> And when I try to install mplayer-586
[07:01] <laggerzero> i do
[07:01] <Quest-Master>   mplayer-586: Depends: libarts (>= 4:2.2.2-1) but it is not installable or
[07:01] <Quest-Master>                         libarts-alsa (>= 4:2.2.2-1) but it is not installable
[07:01] <Quest-Master>                Depends: libdvdread2 but it is not installable
[07:01] <Quest-Master>                Depends: libvorbis0 (>= 1.0rc3-1) but it is not installable
[07:01] <laggerzero> ndiswrapper
[07:01] <Quest-Master> Sorry about the slight flood~
[07:01] <sproingie> spacey: i know how to search for it.  the latest source package is for 2.6.9 for me.  what does it show for you?
[07:01] <laggerzero> do a search for kernel-tree
[07:02] <laggerzero> thats the ubuntu hoary source
[07:02] <sproingie> kernel-tree now?
[07:02] <reon> DazeD, you just missed the wireless card discussion
[07:02] <Absenth> wheeee.
[07:02] <laggerzero> linux-tree-2.6.10
[07:02] <navreet> Quest-Master, you're using multiverse, right?
[07:02] <spacey> sproingie, yes your right. i only have up to 2.6.9
[07:02] <Quest-Master> navreet: multiverse and universe, yes
[07:02] <Absenth> dist-upgrade did in fact break X on the puter with a radeon. :)
[07:02] <JDahl> anyone here using matplotlib for python? I've never had problems with it before until yesterday when I installed Hoary and the newest version of matplotlib... It seems to be broken in several ways
[07:02] <sproingie> spacey: argh, kernel-source, linux-source, kernel-tree ... what is the naming convention changing to?
[07:02] <sproingie> i'm not even sure what kernel-tree actually is
[07:02] <spacey> sproingie, yeah its annoying
[07:03] <spacey> seems like a meta package
[07:03] <mattgirv> is limewire pro worth buying?
[07:03] <mattgirv> or does it suck :p
[07:03] <linuxn00b> hey guys, I seem to have a small problem I no longer have a desktop switcher on the bottem right anymore :-( I tired to add it by right clicking and still nothing :(
[07:03] <sproingie> mattgirv: limewire == spyware.  not on linux, but regardless, do you want to give them your money?
[07:03] <carbonate> re
[07:03] <mattgirv> well i am only going to be using it on linux anyway
[07:04] <navreet> how are cdroms addressed under ubuntu?
[07:04] <Rocha> Hello
[07:04] <linuxn00b> navreet, /dev/cdrom
[07:04] <sproingie> mattgirv: they're scum ... besides, mldonkey is a much better client, if a little harder to configure
[07:04] <thoreauputic> linuxn00b: workspace switcher
[07:04] <Rocha> Will Mono 1.1.4 be available in the final release?
[07:04] <DazeD||laptop> u do quest-master ??
[07:04] <thoreauputic> linuxn00b: in the right-click menu
[07:05] <DazeD||laptop> what card are u using
[07:05] <linuxn00b> thoreauputic, I tried adding that but still nothing :(
[07:05] <thunkee> dec, reon: i've done a xorgconfig and this killed my complete x it wont start again ... a smart config prog would be fine ;)
[07:05] <thoreauputic> linuxn00b: hmm :/
[07:05] <spacey> sproingie, yay, linux-source-2.6.11
[07:05] <spacey> but you already found it
[07:05] <spacey> :)
[07:05] <linuxn00b> thoreauputic, I was up all night tyring to fix It I even googled around and found tnothing
[07:05] <linuxn00b> and I cant reinstall :/
[07:06] <laggerzero> i have a broardcom wireless card
[07:06] <Xer> hi
[07:06] <Xer> how to patch kernel?
[07:06] <thoreauputic> linuxn00b: do other applets appear, or is it only this one that doesn't?
[07:06] <Xer> patch -pl ?
[07:07] <linuxn00b> nothing, it I don't have a swither at all I can't even see it :/
[07:07] <sproingie> spacey: indeed, it's there now.  and there was much rejoicing
[07:07] <Xer> how to patch?
[07:07] <arnaud> patch -p1
[07:07] <linuxn00b> download.com
[07:07] <linuxn00b> oops wrong screen haha
[07:07] <spacey> sproingie, :)
[07:07] <thoreauputic> linuxn00b: has your panel disappeared?
[07:07] <linuxn00b> no I still gont the one on top and bottem
[07:07] <Xer> how to patch?
[07:07] <reon> thunkee, what di you do ? I assume you still have console
[07:07] <thoreauputic> linuxn00b: odd indeed
[07:07] <Phython> Anyone know which package gstreamer's faad plugin is in?
[07:07] <Xer> how to patch?
[07:07] <Xer> how to patch?
[07:07] <thunkee> reon: dunno how to dcc chat in xchat ... normal query? ... xserver/xdm restarts several times and then ncurses error messages that it wont start
[07:08] <sproingie> Xer: SHUT UP
[07:08] <Xer> how to patch?
[07:08] <thoreauputic> Xer: go away
[07:08] <Xer> how to patch?
[07:08] <arnaud> XerI I answered you so, read !
[07:08] <laggerzero> DazeD||laptop, Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless
[07:08] <Xer> how to patch?
[07:08] <Xer> ha?
[07:08] <laggerzero> thats the one i have
[07:08] <Xer> u did?
[07:08] <linuxn00b> thoreauputic, yea it is all I remember was I got an error but my friend clicked OK without even reading it :(
[07:08] <thunkee> reon: now in runlevel 1 :)
[07:08] <LinuxJones> Xer, please stop spamming the channel
[07:08] <neighborlee> why does the repository only offer linux-source-2.6.10-27 when the default installed kernel is 2.6.10-4-386 ????
[07:08] <sproingie> fabbione: you rock
[07:08] <rattboi> hey, I have a question
[07:09] <thoreauputic> Xer: you have the dubious distinction of being the *most* annoying person I've ever seen in #ubuntu
[07:09] <reon> thunkee, not that i know what that means but sudo nano /etx/X11/xorg.conf and revert to your original settings
[07:09] <fabbione> thoreauputic: too late..
[07:09] <fabbione> he is not here anymore
[07:09] <rattboi> I just installed the nforce drivers from Nvidia's site
[07:09] <thoreauputic> fabbione: yeah, heh - thanks
[07:09] <rattboi> and I got the ethernet working, but now alsa isn't working w/ the nvsound drivers
[07:09] <reon> fabbione, cant you ban him for like life ?
[07:09] <rattboi> oss works, but alsa wont
[07:10] <D4B> i have 3com usb bluetooth adapter 3CREB96, can i use it on ubuntu linux (prev.)?
[07:10] <reon> thunkee /etc/
[07:10] <dec> is there any chance mplayer or transcode will work in hoary release?
[07:11] <thoreauputic> reon: problem is he comes back under a different id, and blocking his ISP would block nearly his whole country
[07:11] <laggerzero> i've got a quick question
[07:11] <linuxn00b> anyone?
[07:11] <thunkee>  reon: where do i get the original version of xorg.conf ... actual i just got the modified
[07:11] <laggerzero> every time i try to install the cpad touchpad drivers it errors out saying the headers cannot be found
[07:11] <laggerzero> why is that?
[07:11] <reon> thoreaputic, someone should notify his ISP
[07:11] <sproingie> reon: jeez, he didn't DOS the server or anything
[07:12] <reon> thunkee, did you back it up before you changed it ? Else, do you remember what you changed ?
[07:12] <regeya> I can imagine
[07:12] <thoreauputic> reon: he's merely an annoyance - he hasn't done anything illegal
[07:12] <thunkee> reon: no backup sorry ... just done a xorgconfig
[07:12] <chillywilly> anyone know if the new OOo 1.9.79 (2.0 beta) release has been packaged yet?
[07:12] <drspin> I am trying to enable DMA on my cd device but dmesg|tail keeps telling me it's blacklisted....
[07:12] <Rocha> When will Mono 1.1.4 packages be available?
[07:13] <sproingie> drspin: means your cdrom doesn't support dma
[07:13] <Rocha> Any ideas?
[07:13] <chillywilly> I should learn how to make a package...
[07:13] <laggerzero> there is a newer build out chillywilly
[07:13] <reon> thoreaputic, sure you can classify him as spam ;)
[07:13] <thunkee> reon: is there a way of "reinstall" xorg package? i am not familiar with apt
[07:13] <drspin> sproingie: oh but it does -- just not UDMA
[07:13] <laggerzero> 1.9.84
[07:13] <laggerzero> i'll get a link for ya
[07:13] <critter> Does ubuntu have a filmanger that you view files in a tree?
[07:13] <chillywilly> is that packaged? :)
[07:13] <sproingie> reon: he's gone, you can stop fretting. :)
[07:13] <laggerzero> run alien on it
[07:13] <laggerzero> extrac it
[07:13] <chillywilly> the new OOo is looking sweeter and sweeter every day I use it man
[07:13] <reon> thunkee, send me your xorg.conf file
[07:13] <laggerzero> and do an alien *.rpm
[07:13] <laggerzero> that will converte them to .debs
[07:13] <chillywilly> laggerzero: yea that's what I usually do
[07:14] <chillywilly> laggerzero: I even built it from source (takes forever ;) )
[07:14] <reon> thunkee, yes there is a way, i just cant remember, let me have a look
[07:14] <thoreauputic> critter: synaptic has a lot of filemanagers - but not all of them are nice eye candy :)
[07:14] <matt_> what file manager do you use?
[07:15] <matt_> I stopped using nautilus when I started using fluxbox
[07:15] <critter> Will Look thanks
[07:15] <laggerzero> http://openoffice.mirrors.tds.net/pub/openoffice/developer/680_m84/
[07:15] <thoreauputic> I use rox
[07:15] <matt_> ah
[07:15] <drspin> sproingie: hdc: Disabling (U)DMA for SAMSUNG CD-ROM SC-148C (blacklisted)
[07:15] <laggerzero> chillywilly, yeah the source is over 200MB
[07:15] <laggerzero> takes like 6 horus
[07:15] <drspin> sproingie: sudo cat /proc/ide/hdc/settings
[07:15] <drspin> sproingle: using_dma               1               0               1               rw
[07:15] <thoreauputic> matt_: but I still use nautilus for some things
[07:15] <sproingie> drspin: that means either UDMA or DMA.  i suspect it's dma blacklisted for both, stability problems i guess
[07:15] <DazeD||laptop> laggerzero u know if a linksys wireless g card will work on ubuntu
[07:15] <chillywilly> laggerzero: it's a lot of code :)
[07:16] <thoreauputic> matt_: the ssh and ftp functions are useful
[07:16] <drspin> sproingie: it's showing that it's using DMA -- just not UDMA I think...
[07:16] <firdel> when updating from warty to hoary, after the packedges are installed i get promtede if i wanna keep my old setting, or use the updated ones. heres an example
[07:16] <firdel> Configuration file `/etc/udev/scripts/ide-devfs.sh'
[07:16] <firdel>  ==> File on system created by you or by a script.
[07:16] <laggerzero> i have no idea DazeD||laptop  iuse broadcom
[07:16] <firdel> do i keep the old settings ?
[07:16] <thunkee> reon: just found there is no /dev/mouse ... testing this with /dev/psaux
[07:16] <DazeD||laptop> damn
[07:16] <DazeD||laptop> lol
[07:16] <drspin> sproingie: I also do notice LOTS of problems related to that CD device -- I'm trying it with unmaskIRQ off to see if that makes a difference
[07:17] <laggerzero> i'm still learning too. its fun learning new OS's
[07:17] <reon> thunkee, how many things did you change ?
[07:17] <chillywilly> nautilus still needs some work, imho :)
[07:17] <arnaud> thunkee: did you try /dev/input/mice ?
[07:17] <DazeD||laptop> c
[07:17] <DazeD||laptop> Does anyone know if a linksys wireless G card will work on ubuntu...its a nogo on knoppix live???
[07:17] <sproingie> drspin: you're well past my knowledge level on the subject of cdroms now
[07:17] <laggerzero> you have to use ndiswrapper to install the drivers
[07:17] <chillywilly> the sftp support and smb support could be better :)
[07:17] <thoreauputic> chillywilly: I agree :)
[07:17] <mdblitz1> DazeD||laptop: working for me
[07:17] <Quest-Master> DazeD||laptop: It will work with ndiswrapper
[07:17] <mdblitz1> just use ndiswrapper
[07:18] <drspin> sproingie: I doubt that -- but I appreciate your thoughts...
[07:18] <laggerzero> ndiswrapper works great on my broadcom
[07:18] <chillywilly> I still think winders XP has a better desktop (unfortunately)
[07:18] <Teal`c_> anybody know where i can find specific perl .deb packages ?  i need the perl xml::parser but cant find it anywhere
[07:18] <thunkee> reon: sorry for that ... x starts again because of /dev/psaux
[07:18] <xamdm> hi, nvidia-drivers broken in hoary after totdays online-update (linux-image-2.6.10-4-686) ??
[07:18] <mdblitz1> laggerzero: yup
[07:18] <DazeD||laptop> quest-master do i just get the normal windows drivers and load it up through ndiswrapper
[07:18] <laggerzero> i hate winblows
[07:18] <reon> thunkee, no probs
[07:18] <laggerzero> and microshaft for that matter
[07:18] <Seveas> Teal`c_, try to find it in synaptic
[07:18] <mdblitz1> DazeD||laptop: yea
[07:18] <Quest-Master> DazeD||laptop: Pull out your Linksys CD
[07:18] <DazeD||laptop> ok good
[07:19] <neighborlee> no one knows about linux-source issue ?? ;(
[07:19] <regeya> interesting; apparently kde's media:/ ioslave can detect devices that have been added, but can't mount them unless they're in /etc/fstab
[07:19] <laggerzero> what issue?
[07:19] <Quest-Master> DazeD||laptop: Get the .inf file in the drivers folder, and use it with ndiswrapper
[07:19] <DazeD||laptop> lol linksys CD is in jacksonville at school while im stuck at home
[07:19] <reon> xamdm, hope not havent rebooted yet, lol
[07:19] <chillywilly> laggerzero: yea well if you want to take some market share from them you at least have to have a nice consistent desktop
[07:19] <chillywilly> Gnome is getting there but it still annoys me at times
[07:19] <neighborlee> laggerzero: why does the repository only offer linux-source-2.6.10-27 when the default installed kernel is 2.6.10-4-386 ????
[07:19] <Riddell> regeya: seems to be the case, bit disapointing that
[07:19] <Teal`c_> I just installed Hoary (first time ubuntu user) .. Nice so far.. but it strange that the root user account is disabled by default..,  because the admin tools in gnome are pretty much useless without it
[07:19] <laggerzero> did you do a search for linux-tree-2.6.10?
[07:20] <neighborlee> tree ?
[07:20] <mdblitz1> neighborlee: use synaptic
[07:20] <xamdm> reon: rebootes 2 times reinstalled restricted modules, didn't help
[07:20] <laggerzero> thats what the ubuntu one is :/
[07:20] <regeya> indeed, Riddell.  wonder if there's a workaround for that other than adding removable media to /etc/fstab
[07:20] <laggerzero> found that one out last night
[07:20] <timte> python2.3-ldaptor: Depends: python2.3-pyparsing but it is not installable  --  how do I fix this?
[07:20] <speel> are the warty packages on freeze??
[07:20] <neighborlee> mdblitz1, I am and that is the result from searching for 'linux-source'
[07:20] <thunkee> again is there a smart xorg configuration program to configure card/monitor with card and monitor database like sax?
[07:20] <Marble2> uh im upgrading to hoarhy and I get this
[07:20] <Marble2> Configuration file `/etc/udev/scripts/ide-devfs.sh'
[07:20] <reon> xadm, no i'm to scared to reboot... ouch
[07:20] <Marble2> should I install the ne one
[07:20] <Marble2> or not?
[07:20] <sproingie> ARGH this is driving me nuts
[07:20] <sproingie> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/ia32-libs_0.5ubuntu3_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[07:20] <sproingie>  error creating symbolic link `./usr/lib32/libGL.so.1': No such file or directory
[07:20] <thoreauputic> speel: warty hasn't changed since October :)
[07:21] <thoreauputic> speel: except for security updates
[07:21] <laggerzero> i love warty
[07:21] <sproingie> could anyone tell me what that relative path is relative TO so I can force this broken package to install?
[07:21] <xamdm> reon: anyone eles problems with the nvidia-drivers ??, now trying the nvidia-installer ...
[07:21] <laggerzero> or hoary
[07:21] <laggerzero> errr
[07:21] <sproingie> i can't even find it with strace
[07:21] <neighborlee> laggerzero: tree comes back with the same '27' ending which i'm fairly sure is going to give nvidia installer massive headaches
[07:21] <sbassi> hello, I am looking for the boot messages. in wich log file they r?
[07:21] <speel> bah i mean the universe pakages
[07:21] <drspin> how do I edit my kernel parameters?
[07:21] <Marble2> what does /etc/udev/scripts/ide-devfs.sh do and should I let hoary install a new one?
[07:21] <laggerzero> the drivers come on the ubuntu repos
[07:21] <mdblitz1> neighborlee: search for the headers, that should work the same
[07:21] <laggerzero> have you installed the drivers?
[07:21] <laggerzero> the glx ones?
[07:21] <reon> xadm, I'll reboot in 11min after KDE is installed...
[07:22] <xamdm> ui, there is a new driver from nvidia 7167
[07:22] <laggerzero> then just run a nvidia-glx-config enable
[07:22] <thoreauputic> speel: hoary is in feature freeze atm I believe
[07:22] <guiman> Been using Hoarty for a couple of weeks and it installs flawlessly on a Toshiba Tecra 8200... except that there is not suspend/sleep/hybernate support. Is this supported in any of the laptops? Any ideas?
[07:22] <Marble2> anyone?
[07:22] <thoreauputic> Marble2: accepting defaults is usually the safe way to go
[07:23] <reon> thoreaputic, probably because official release is next month ?
[07:23] <speel> bah ... i need this one pakage netpanzer 0.8 beacuase the one in the universe repo is out of date =/
[07:23] <regeya> otoh, amarok-xine seems to work fine (gstreamer seems to be b0rked in kubuntu atm)
[07:23] <thoreauputic> reon: yep
[07:23] <scizzo> guiman: pheonix BIOS?
[07:23] <regeya> I'll take non-automounting devices if I can play music in amarok without aRts
[07:23] <laggerzero> it works great on my Compaq presario r300z with an AMD Athlon64 3200+ DTR
[07:23] <Hell-Razor> hey guys i am trying to upgrade to hoary, what do i do or what thing do i follow?
[07:23] <neighborlee> mdblitz1, The headers also show the same '2.6.10-27' stuff which I'm almost positive will cause nvidiai compile to go haywire
[07:23] <laggerzero> all hardware works
[07:23] <neighborlee> mdblitz1, why dont the match with the default installed kernel ????
[07:23] <neighborlee> mdblitz1, the/they
[07:23] <laggerzero> i'm about to recompile the kernel myself
[07:24] <laggerzero> to get rid of any headaches
[07:24] <sbassi> guiman: I think that is planned for next Ubuntu release
[07:24] <mdblitz1> you should be able to search for linux-headers2.6.10-4
[07:24] <guiman> scizzo: no idea... I am returning to Intel laptops (been using Macs since 1987)
[07:24] <mdblitz1> err
[07:24] <mdblitz1> linux-headers-2.6.10-4
[07:25] <arnaud> scizzo: I have phoenix bios, what's up with them and hibernate ?
[07:25] <guiman> sbassi: great, thanks.
[07:25] <scizzo> arnaud: they are not supported
[07:25] <laggerzero> hibernation is still very beta
[07:25] <scizzo> arnaud: Tecra S1 and so on are poorly supported....and the fact is that it has to do with the bios....
[07:25] <speedy2781> how do I get motorola drivers out of an exe file?
[07:26] <chillywilly> bah, nautilus ftp support stinks too :)
[07:26] <shushi2005> I am having trouble installing linux-wlan-ng. I get an error when I specify the linux source directory. Can anyone help?
[07:26] <scizzo> guiman: find out if it is a pheonix bios if it is..then I guess you will have to wait for Toshiba to be able and share some secrets about the bios
[07:26] <Hell-Razor> hey guys i am trying to upgrade to hoary, can anybody tell me what to do or point be to a how-to?
[07:26] <speel> speedy2781, .exe files are stricktly windows
[07:26] <speedy2781> darn
[07:26] <speedy2781> so how would i get motorola drivers without the exe file from their website
[07:26] <laggerzero> wine
[07:26] <laggerzero> try with wine
[07:27] <speedy2781> wine?
[07:27] <arnaud> shushi2005: how are you compiling these drivers ?
[07:27] <speedy2781> like fermented grapes?
[07:27] <laggerzero> http://www.winehq.com
[07:27] <speel> lol
[07:27] <guiman> scizzo: thanks. I will keep track of this.
[07:27] <laggerzero> its also on the repos
[07:27] <laggerzero> so you can install it through synaptic] 
[07:27] <vpalle> dont use wine for drivers....
[07:27] <Hell-Razor> hey guys i am trying to upgrade to hoary, can anybody tell me what to do or point be to a how-to?
[07:27] <laggerzero> oh
[07:27] <laggerzero> for drivers
[07:27] <laggerzero> no
[07:27] <vpalle> :)
[07:27] <thoreauputic> chillywilly: it works OK for a simple transfer with drag and drop (that's all I use ftp for with nautilus)
[07:27] <shushi2005> arnaud, I got the tarballs from the official website and am following their instructions.
[07:27] <speel> speedy2781, well check first if your motorola products is supported .. google it or check the hcl on linuxquestions.org
[07:27] <laggerzero> unless you want to extract them
[07:27] <shushi2005> arnaud, so I did make config
[07:28] <scizzo> I have one thing that helps to change the light only on my laptop but thats it....the toshiba tools and so on is not working with Tecra S1 for example
[07:28] <laggerzero> thats the only reason wine should be used for drivers
[07:28] <reon> guiman,  what happens if you close the lid or enter apm -s
[07:28] <speedy2781> i need to ndiswrapper the motorola .inf file
[07:28] <speedy2781> but I am struggling to find the .inf I need
[07:28] <arnaud> shushi2005: ok, I had a similar problem (Still not fixed) sorry
[07:28] <shushi2005> arnaud, darn
[07:29] <arnaud> shushi2005: have you got linux-sources installed ?
[07:29] <speel> and to who ever is trying to upgrade to hoary just chage the repos that say warty to hoary
[07:29] <speedy2781> (bcmw15.inf) is the inf driver i need
[07:29] <guiman> reon: the screen goes black, the backlight stays on and when I open it again there is not response (no place to enter a password, no response)
[07:29] <shushi2005> arnaud, i just did a default install of hoary
[07:29] <firdel> when updating from warty to hoary, after the packedges are installed i get promtede if i wanna keep my old setting, or use the updated ones. heres an example
[07:29] <firdel>  The default action is to keep your current version.
[07:29] <firdel> *** cdsymlinks.sh (Y/I/N/O/D/Z) [default=N]  ?
[07:29] <arnaud> shushi2005: so you first need to get the kernel sources, they are not isntalled by default
[07:29] <guiman> reon: I have not tried apm -s
[07:29] <shushi2005> oh
[07:30] <firdel> do i keep my current, or do i go with the update ?
[07:30] <shushi2005> arnaud, how do i do that?
[07:30] <thoreauputic> firdel: accept the defaults
[07:30] <scizzo> firdel: read everything
[07:30] <speedy2781> anyone know where I can find that?
[07:30] <arnaud> shushi2005: in synaptic package manager, look for linux-sources
[07:30] <shushi2005> arnaud, ok
[07:30] <firdel> i did say keep current to the first one thoreauputic :(
[07:30] <reon> guiman, dont know if it will work but you can try
[07:30] <scizzo> firdel: if you read you will find out that it says that "this is the version from the person doing the package" and it asks you if you want to keep it or what you want to do with it
[07:31] <thoreauputic> firdel: probably will be fine - don't fret
[07:31] <firdel> im a bit scared
[07:31] <xamdm> hi, got nvidia-drivers workin, just using the new ones from nvidia
[07:31] <thoreauputic> firdel: :-)
[07:31] <reon> guiman, running hoary ?  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryPM
[07:31] <neighborlee> is ubuntu working on a decent GUI installer by chance ? ( just curious )
[07:31] <laggerzero> bulding the new openoffice packages now
[07:31] <laggerzero> from rpms to debs
[07:31] <neighborlee> I think they should adopt anaconda frankly
[07:32] <laggerzero> neighborlee, its a text installer
[07:32] <laggerzero> but its easy to use
[07:32] <neighborlee> laggerzero, nooooooooo it can't be
[07:32] <firdel> thoreauputic, last time i did dist-upgrade, my comp crashed im the middle of installing the packedges.. so i just reinstalled ubuntu, and first thing i did was to update to hoary.. now i hope im crashfree :)=
[07:32] <guiman> reon: thanks I will give it a try. And thanks for the url
[07:32] <neighborlee> laggerzero, lol
[07:32] <thoreauputic> firdel: they are mostly configuration options - keeping the ones you have should work fine
[07:32] <burgundavia_> neighborlee from what I understand anaconda is crap underneath
[07:32] <neighborlee> laggerzero, surely they are working on a GUI intaller
[07:32] <firdel> ok
[07:32] <burgundavia_> neighborlee, they are working on a gui installer
[07:32] <laggerzero> it uses the debian installer
[07:32] <neighborlee> burgundavia_, i've never heard that..you have sources for that assumption ;-))
[07:32] <burgundavia_> neighborlee, there are some issues to be solved, as not all video cards are alike
[07:32] <neighborlee> burgundavia_, ic..well thats good to hear then
[07:33] <burgundavia_> neighborlee, this is from the Mataro sessions where I heard this
[07:33] <neighborlee> hmm never heard of them
[07:33] <burgundavia_> last Ubuntu dev conference
[07:33] <speedy2781> Well, since I am tired of fighting with these wireless cards that are unsupported. what card is decent price that would work under ubuntu
[07:33] <burgundavia_> www.ubuntu.com/wiki/Mataro
[07:33] <neighborlee> anyway I just thought standards are good but if it truly has issues well...then I guess what can ya do but make your own
[07:33] <neighborlee> burgundavia_, k thx ..checking
[07:33] <burgundavia_> speedy2781, dlink 650 pcmicia. I have one that works
[07:33] <speedy2781> what is needed to make it work
[07:34] <neighborlee> anyone know why nvidia-glx installs '/lib/tls' ???
[07:34] <burgundavia_> speedy2781, out of the box, native drivers
[07:34] <neighborlee> it causes some weird glitchy behavior with some of my apps
[07:34] <Marble2> how do I view os info
[07:34] <reon> How do you do remote desktop via a router running NAT ?
[07:34] <burgundavia_> speedy2781, just plug it in. You might have to use dhclient to get an address though. That is a network hotpluging issue
[07:34] <thoreauputic> Marble2: what sort of info?
[07:34] <mdke> hi all. My evolution is taking about 5 minutes to start. updated hoary. Any news?
[07:34] <Marble2> like what distro. and stuff
[07:34] <Marble2> I just upgraded to hoary
[07:34] <thoreauputic> cat /etc/issue
[07:34] <Marble2> just want to check
[07:35] <guiman> brb - I am going to try "apm -s"
[07:35] <Marble2> Ubuntu 5.04 "Hoary Hedgehog" Development Branch \n \l
[07:35] <Marble2> yay
[07:35] <NetwrkMonkey> mdke what version of evolution
[07:35] <thoreauputic> Marble2: congratulations :)
[07:35] <NetwrkMonkey> and do you have spamassassin installed?
[07:35] <Marble2> :)
[07:35] <speedy2781> is it possible to look into an exe file and get what you need out of it?
[07:35] <laggerzero> it depends
[07:35] <laggerzero> some exes are just rars and zips
[07:35] <laggerzero> not all of them though
[07:35] <chillywilly> bah, Gnome keeps wanting to use firefox as an ftp client
[07:35] <error_29> aarrfhhgg! why does gedit make the search window so f*&^&ing large!
[07:35] <speedy2781> how would I try?
[07:36] <laggerzero> try changing the extention
[07:36] <chillywilly> where can i change that?
[07:36] <mdke> NetwrkMonkey, the current one in hoary
[07:36] <laggerzero> to either zip or rar
[07:36] <laggerzero> some times it works
[07:36] <mdke> NetwrkMonkey, this problem only arrived today
[07:36] <laggerzero> sometimes not
[07:36] <sproingie> yay, figured out the ia32-libs problem.  strace to the rescue once more
[07:36] <mdke> NetwrkMonkey, gnome-terminal crashes upon start as well
[07:37] <Marble2> okay, now why does cups hate me
[07:37] <sproingie> cups hates all humanity
[07:37] <sproingie> its not personal
[07:37] <laggerzero> cups is evil
[07:37] <firdel> what ftp server would you people recommend.. i like gui's ;)
[07:37] <thoreauputic> firdel: gftp
[07:37] <mdke> me too gftp
[07:37] <Marble2> I'm trying to share a printer on the network so a windows computer can access it
[07:37] <Hell-Razor> guys how do i add  Hoary Backports sources.
[07:37] <mdke> or nautilus
[07:37] <speel> i use proftpd as a server and gftp for client
[07:37] <thoreauputic> oh sorry, server
[07:37] <Marble2> every time it asks for a damn user/pass
[07:37] <Marble2> i've tried my ubuntu login, the windows login, root, blank, everything
[07:37] <Marble2> and I just get access denied
[07:38] <ompaul> cups is something that really wants to live with foomatic then it looses its evil streak
[07:38] <JDahl> firdel, proftp is easy to setup, although there's no gui
[07:38] <speedy2781> oh, i just fixed that last night
[07:38] <guiman> reon: it returns a message saying that there is no support in the kernel for apm (tried -s and -S)
[07:38] <mdke> any idea on why my gnome-terminal and evolution are not starting properly in hoary?
[07:38] <speedy2781> the passwrd thing
[07:38] <speel> Hell-Razor, open up /etc/apt/sources.list and stick  deb http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ubuntu/ warty-backports main universe in there
[07:38] <sproingie> foomatic merely papers over the evil that is cups
[07:38] <firdel> JDahl, i like to word easy, not one you get by very often in this community
[07:38] <reon> guiman, then it is prob acpi
[07:38] <Marble2> speedy2781: how?
[07:38] <thoreauputic> Marble2: are you trying to use the web interface?
[07:38] <Marble2> no
[07:38] <speedy2781> I am tryting to remember
[07:38] <Hell-Razor> speel, for hoary? im trying to upgrade to hoary
[07:38] <sproingie> only printer systems that never drove me nuts were macos and netware
[07:39] <sproingie> netware's was hairy as hell under the surface but it just worked
[07:39] <reon> guima, have a look at the ubuntu forums and do a search for toshiba or acpi or apm
[07:39] <ompaul> sproingie,  ahh but the paper holds in many cases for $case
[07:39] <farruinn> sproingie: do you mean classic mac os, because "under the surface
[07:39] <firdel> thoreauputic, im gettin freightening many of theese
[07:39] <firdel> Setting up linux-image-2.6.10-4-386 (2.6.10-27) ...
[07:39] <firdel> perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
[07:39] <firdel> perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
[07:39] <firdel>         LANGUAGE = "en_GB:en_US:en",
[07:39] <regeya> and macos uses cups now, oddly enough
[07:39] <farruinn>  sproingie os x uses the same system as linux
[07:39] <firdel> perl: warning
[07:39] <speel> o then open up your sources list and change everything that says warty to hoary
[07:39] <sproingie> farruinn: yes, old system7 macos
[07:40] <Marble2> any ideas thoreauputic ? or speedy
[07:40] <sproingie> firdel: please dont flood
[07:40] <firdel> ok sproingie, sry!!
[07:40] <firdel> :/
[07:40] <laggerzero> last night i tried to install over 700 updates and packages at once. including drivers
[07:40] <laggerzero> killed my install
[07:40] <speel> lol
[07:40] <JDahl> firdel, I use proftp occassionally when technically challenged windows users need to upload large amount of data to my work machine... it's just a matter of apt-get install and your flying...afterwards I just remove it with apt-get remove, and no hazzles
[07:40] <sproingie> ow.  i dont do 700 with a dist-upgrade
[07:40] <Hell-Razor> laggerzero, lol
[07:40] <guiman> reon: thanks
[07:40] <thoreauputic> firdel: wait and see if it works before you panic :)
[07:40] <laggerzero> fresh insall of hoary
[07:40] <reon> no probs
[07:40] <Hell-Razor> laggerzero, did you sucessfully upgrade to hoary? im trying it right now
[07:41] <laggerzero> and updated gnome and kde and installed everthing i could think of
[07:41] <firdel> i have a tendency to panic
[07:41] <laggerzero> it was off the hoary cd
[07:41] <laggerzero> and i just installed and upraded every program i could think of
[07:41] <Hell-Razor> laggerzero, heh i would update through the hoary cd but i dont want to lose all my shit
[07:41] <laggerzero> it was kind of funny
[07:42] <sproingie> laggerzero: well that makes for a nice torture test of apt
[07:42] <speel> Hell-Razor, i dont think you can with the cd ... just chage your repos
[07:42] <laggerzero> and my net connection and hard drive
[07:42] <firdel> JDahl, i would preferre a server i can configure, without reading 20 man pages. besides, i dont wanna install / remove a server everytime i need one
[07:42] <Hell-Razor> speel, i mean reinstall everything
[07:42] <laggerzero> my isp hates me. they see me downloading the same shit over and over
[07:42] <firdel> laggerzero, you not alone
[07:43] <ompaul> laggerzero, no they love you the caache gets raided often :-)
[07:43] <firdel> hey, 20 secs'o'silence
[07:43] <Hell-Razor> laggerzero, my isp dissconnects me about once a week for a day for some odd reason...they claim its for server updates but its bullshit
[07:43] <JDahl> firdel, proftp is probably still your best bet... I just remove the ftp server out of paranoia when I dont need it
[07:43] <Marble2> arg, in lftp how do I close it and just go back to command line?
[07:43] <laggerzero> i get the same
[07:44] <PacoBCN> Hell-Razor, ISPs are the worst...
[07:44] <laggerzero> i have a smoothwall router so i don't have ot use the crappy modem os software
[07:44] <firdel> Mem:    127104k total,   125304k used,     1800k free,     3524k buffers   shit i need more RAM
[07:44] <thoreauputic> Marble2: exit
[07:44] <Hell-Razor> PacoBCN, i cant wait till i get to college...t3 line
[07:44] <Marble2> oh, thanks
[07:44] <Marble2> so anyone have an idea about my cups problem?
[07:44] <PacoBCN> my ISP told me I better don't use p2p since it might disconnect me...
[07:44] <PacoBCN> wtf
[07:45] <laggerzero> can they do that?
[07:45] <Hell-Razor> PacoBCN, lol thats bullshit
[07:45] <JDahl> firdel, what matters is how much swap you use - not the amount of unused memory
[07:45] <PotajiTo> wenas
[07:45] <thoreauputic> PacoBCN: yeah, all those illegal Linux warez ... heheh
[07:45] <Hell-Razor> psh
[07:45] <PacoBCN> yes
[07:45] <firdel> i only got 128 damnit, dont tell me that more then enough :P
[07:45] <laggerzero> there are a few of pirateable warez programs
[07:45] <laggerzero> not much
[07:45] <firdel> Swap:   295272k total,    58444k used,   236828k free,    51056k cached
[07:45] <Hell-Razor> is it possible to even crack p2p to use an installed version of cedega?
[07:46] <Hell-Razor> firdel, that is not enough....i have 512 ddr2 pc4400 ram
[07:46] <laggerzero> i don't think so
[07:46] <firdel> bastard
[07:46] <Hell-Razor> firdel, and im looking to buy another stick of 512
[07:46] <speel> Hell-Razor, do you mean use a cracked version of cedega?
[07:46] <oly> anyone tried nero in linux yet ?
[07:46] <firdel> im looking for a 64mb stick under my bed
[07:46] <firdel> i know its inthere... hiding
[07:47] <Hell-Razor> speel, no i mean use a cracked versin on p2p..i have p2p working valid because i have an accoutn but if theres a way fuck it im canceling my accoutn with them
[07:47] <oly> i am tempted to give it ago, but not sure if my dvd drive will work properly
[07:47] <critter> I installed tkdesk.. The executable file I cant find it. I opened tkdesk in term . But it doesnt open the file browser. Thats what I wanted it for. Any help ??
[07:47] <speel> ooo
[07:47] <nictuku> hi
[07:47] <laggerzero> man i need to get the dvdcss packages
[07:47] <laggerzero> google is my friend
[07:47] <critter> Not In usr/bin
[07:47] <firdel> define:google
[07:47] <PacoBCN> the tecnician of my isp told also that he's not sure the router will work with Ubuntu...
[07:47] <oly> nero always worked well in windows, not sure if the linux version would be dependant on underlying drivers though
[07:47] <thoreauputic> Hell-Razor: I think cracking is off-topic here
[07:48] <PacoBCN> I told him, listen, the router is connected to Internet even with no computers
[07:48] <PacoBCN> and he couldn't understand
[07:48] <firdel> PacoBCN, what freking ISP you got? they must be incompetent
[07:48] <PacoBCN> fucking moron
[07:48] <thoreauputic> PacoBCN: heheh
[07:48] <speedy2781> marbel2 did you figure it out
[07:48] <PacoBCN> Firdel, the problem is that 99% of the times the customers will accept what they say
[07:48] <laggerzero> i hate mandrake
[07:48] <critter> This is my main headache with linux. what are the executable extentions And where the hell are they by default
[07:48] <laggerzero> *.sh
[07:48] <firdel> i know, i worked as ADSL supporter for my countrys largest ISP
[07:49] <StaleFish> Hello, any Synatic genius here?
[07:49] <PacoBCN> btw, my ISP is Jazztel
[07:49] <firdel> people are plain stupid
[07:49] <PacoBCN> Spain
[07:49] <thoreauputic> critter: executables don't need extensions
[07:49] <ompaul> critter, there are none
[07:49] <laggerzero> sh files execute
[07:49] <speel> critter, sh bin usually but some dont even have extensions :P
[07:49] <thoreauputic> critter: and to see what a file is type   file /path/to/file
[07:49] <laggerzero> not all bins do
[07:49] <riffic> can someone help me with alsa and hoary?
[07:49] <critter> How do I know what file opens the program that I wnat to opem
[07:50] <speel> critter,  well what file do you want to open?
[07:50] <riffic> I had sound working before an apt-get update, now its not working
[07:50] <thoreauputic> critter:  type  which <command>
[07:50] <riffic> maybe broken kernel?
[07:50] <wezzer-> maybe
[07:50] <ompaul> ahh that is a different matter - try typing the word 'file  filename' and it will tell you something of it
[07:50] <firdel> brolen pci slot
[07:50] <wezzer-> try command alsamixer
[07:50] <firdel> :d
[07:50] <thoreauputic> critter: you just need to think differently
[07:50] <riffic> doesn't work, aplay -l shows no cards found
[07:50] <PacoBCN> the worst part was when they wanted to force me to encrypt my essid
[07:50] <riffic> theres a bunch of errors when I boot
[07:51] <PacoBCN> I told them I didn't mind in sharing my connection with my neighbors
[07:51] <riffic> alsactrl can't start or something like that
[07:51] <PacoBCN> "No, you can't share"
[07:51] <laggerzero> whoa libdvdcss has a freshmeat page now] 
[07:51] <critter> I looked through synaptic for the path but many paths . Not a clue wich one opens the app
[07:51] <riffic> even though its' still in lspci
[07:51] <firdel> cant as in cant, or cant as in your not allowed ?
[07:51] <thoreauputic> critter: to see where executables *might* be, type  echo $PATH
[07:51] <elcuco> hi, what package (in universe) i need to install in order to play mp3's under totem, i prefear using gstreamer (not xine)
[07:52] <thoreauputic> critter: I told you: type  `which <commandname>
[07:52] <critter> I tried nothing happened
[07:52] <laggerzero> they even have a debian package
[07:52] <speel> dude what are you trying to open
[07:52] <thoreauputic> /usr/bin/mozilla
[07:53] <thoreauputic> for example
[07:53] <critter> The file manager for tkdesk that I just installed
[07:53] <farruinn> elcuco: gstreamer-mad I believe, check at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:53] <ompaul> critter, an app is not opened by a file - if you look in /usr/bin you will find a file called gcc if you type file gcc you will get information
[07:53] <speedy2781> NEW BREAKTHROUGH
[07:53] <critter> Notin /usr/bin
[07:53] <StaleFish> Anyone seen where all my packages have gone in Synaptic?
[07:53] <riffic> okay i'm getting this when I /etc/init.d/alsa start:  /etc/init.d/alsa: Warning: 'alsactl restore' failed with error message 'alsactl: load_state:1267: No soundcards found...'
[07:53] <thoreauputic> critter: what is the app called?
[07:53] <speedy2781> ok, so I ndiswrapper a .inf for a motorolla wifi card and the hardware is present
[07:53] <speedy2781> now I don't have any clue what to do
[07:53] <riffic> and a bunch of scrolling stuff
[07:54] <speedy2781> i modprobe ndiswrapper right?
[07:54] <speedy2781> than I ndiswrapper -m
[07:54] <critter> tkdesk is the app I installed. I opened it with term
[07:54] <critter> but the file manager apperently is another question
[07:54] <thoreauputic> critter: type    apropos tkdesk
[07:54] <critter> All I got was a tool bar
[07:54] <SuperL4g> how much disk space does a standard Warty install take?
[07:54] <critter>  No buttons on it to open file manager
[07:55] <reon> riffic,  cat /proc/asound/modules
[07:55] <thoreauputic> critter: are you even reading what I said above?
[07:55] <farruinn> SuperL4g: I'm pretty sure that's in the release notes or something
[07:55] <farruinn> SuperL4g: I don't remember off the top of my head
[07:55] <critter> Reading typing and trying it outr on term .
[07:55] <thunkee> SuperL4g: 1557708 :)
[07:55] <critter>  I need a sec thanks
[07:56] <thoreauputic> critter: apropos will show you where the manual is - also try `man tkdesk`
[07:56] <ompaul> critter, file management is not the same as in another popular desktop - (the mac :)) or some other one. - file association as you think of it is really usually a function of the desktop i.e. gnome in most cases with ubuntu
[07:56] <farruinn> thenuke: be nice :) give him df -H
[07:56] <elcuco> farruinn, mad indeed :)
[07:56] <speedy2781> ndiswraper help needed
[07:56] <riffic> reon: nothing
[07:56] <riffic> it just made a new line
[07:56] <Teal`c_> the search function in synaptic is rather unintuitive ...
[07:56] <critter> ompal I know thats why im trying out tkdesk
[07:56] <reon> riffic, ouch
[07:56] <squallbsr> anybody having problems accessing releases.ubuntu.com and shipit.ubuntu.com ??  I get DNS not found...
[07:57] <riffic> want me to lsmod | grep snd ?
[07:57] <squallbsr> err, DNS cannot find the address...
[07:57] <reon> riffic, ouch, is this a new install or did things go wrong ?
[07:57] <riffic> things went wrong
[07:57] <reon> riffic, ok
[07:57] <riffic> i've been using hoary successfully for a few weeks now
[07:57] <riffic> I rebooted with a new kernel
[07:57] <firdel> yippie, it werks <(
[07:58] <thoreauputic> squallbsr: what does `host shipit.ubuntu.com`  say?
[07:58] <reon> riffic, if the output is big then dont pste here
[07:58] <thenuke> farruinn: but but..
[07:58] <Frederick> anyone brazillian here? I want to set my xterm and term to accept special characters like ? and accents
[07:58] <thoreauputic> squallbsr: in a terminal
[07:58] <firdel> is it possible to install nvidia drivers with apt-get, or should i get it with the synaptic manager _
[07:58] <riffic> reon: http://www.pastebin.com/254556
[07:58] <Hell-Razor> thoreauputic: yes or no answer would be enough for me
[07:58] <Coutsos> Can anybody help me get gDesklets compiled?
[07:59] <riffic> its a hercules gtxp, cs46xx
[07:59] <thoreauputic> Hell-Razor: yes or no to what?
[07:59] <Hell-Razor> thoreauputic, nm
[07:59] <farruinn> Coutsos: why do you need to compile it?
[07:59] <squallbsr> thereauputic: shipit.ubuntu.com has address 82.211.81.130
[07:59] <squallbsr> shipit.ubuntu.com mail is handled by 10 fiordland.ubuntu.com.
[07:59] <thoreauputic> squallbsr: well, looks like DNS knows about it then
[08:00] <ompaul> critter rather than trying to do something the same way as you do elsewhere, pause for a minute and take the following on board, we have great technologies that help you do more with less - and a bit like getting into a european car after driving a japanese one there are some small differences in where things are triggered from but at the end of the day you can do more :)
[08:00] <Myrtti> I notice kernels on -27 now
[08:00] <Myrtti> kernel's
[08:00] <Myrtti> any hope that nvidia will be fixed on it?
[08:00] <squallbsr> thereauputic: firefox is sending me back to my domain (which is what happens when DNS cannot find the site...)  thats off my server, my desktop doesn't have host...  I need to check from theree...
[08:00] <Coutsos> farruinn, I tried getting it from synaptic, but that version doesn't seem to work for me
[08:00] <firdel> after my first hoary reboot i can only view 640*480 ;/
[08:00] <firdel> is it possible to install nvidia drivers with apt-get, or should i get it with the synaptic manager _
[08:01] <reon> riffic, looks ok, been to http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=TroubleShooting  yet ?
[08:01] <riffic> yeah
[08:01] <ompaul> critter, I would like to assist you but I do not know what it is you are (a) trying to learn (b) achieve if you can tell me that without reference to the action you think needs to be carried out then I or some of the other helpful people here may have just the solution for you
[08:01] <riffic> I found that page on a google
[08:01] <drspin> can i set options on my scsi HD and CD drive?
[08:01] <riffic> doesn't really help
[08:01] <thunkee> firdel: http://ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver
[08:01] <firdel> thunkee, fanx m8
[08:02] <squallbsr> anybody running ubuntu as a server?  i.e. -> openldap, smbldap-tools, samba3 (as pdc), netatalk, qmail, etc?
[08:02] <thoreauputic> squallbsr: does your /etc/resolv.conf contain nameservers?
[08:02] <critter> ompal I am trying to find a gui that has a dir tree. tkdesk says it has one just cant get it to open
[08:02] <ijuz> squallbsr: ubuntu has a working openldap?
[08:03] <Benjamin_L> is there a way to set the font-size for the nautilus desktop ?
[08:03] <squallbsr> thoreauputic: yes, they have the same name servers as my server...
[08:03] <critter> "`man tkdesk' has nothing
[08:03] <reon> riffic, sorry new to this myself, only just sorted my sound out last night. just check out all your conf etc
[08:03] <thoreauputic> squallbsr: OK
[08:03] <ompaul> critter ahh
[08:03] <thunkee> critter: what about filemanager/nautilus treeview?
[08:04] <thoreauputic> squallbsr: is it only firefox? have you tried another browser? i think links is installed by default
[08:04] <critter> "` opropos tkdesk" Nothing aprpriate"
[08:04] <Seveas> ijuz, slapd is in main
[08:04] <thoreauputic> critter: apropos
[08:04] <ompaul> critter, have you looked at nautilus? and if you want to see all the stuff start it with the command 'sudo nautilus'
[08:04] <riffic> reon: k, thanks for your help
[08:04] <squallbsr> thoreauputic: the website started working again...  odd...
[08:04] <critter> " apropos tkdesk
[08:04] <critter> tkdesk: nothing appropriate."
[08:04] <thoreauputic> critter: sorry - what about `man tkdesk` ?
[08:04] <riffic> it was working before so I'm going to assume it will work again in the future
[08:05] <riffic> and this is just temporary brokenness
[08:05] <critter> Tried nothing happened
[08:05] <thoreauputic> critter: a package without a man page... that's a bug
[08:05] <ijuz> Seveas: debian main or ubuntu? the one in debian is broken beyond repair
[08:05] <riffic> I can live with temporary brokenness.. that's why I'm using unstable
[08:05] <riffic> heh
[08:05] <lunitik> Whats a good OS news site? osnews.com is bothering me - mainly cuz Eugenia is a tool, and I just don't really like Slashdot  :(
[08:05] <critter> I'll try again
[08:05] <ompaul> critter, nothing happened when you did what?
[08:05] <riffic> kerneltrap
[08:05] <thoreauputic> critter: time to use google
[08:05] <Seveas> ijuz ubuntu main
[08:05] <lunitik> So uhh, something like osnews.com, but without a tool for an editor
[08:06] <squallbsr> thoreauputic: my desktop is gentoo (btw)  I'm thinking about putting ubuntu on my server instead of freebsd since I cannot run Xen or VMWare easily on FreeBSD (which is what it is running right now)
[08:06] <rever> Hi I am trying to mount my fat32 share but I keep getting wrong fs but when I do dmesg | tail. This is the error:
[08:06] <speel> www.linux.org www.lwn.net
[08:06] <riffic> lunitik: kerneltrap.org
[08:06] <rever> Unable to load NLS charset iso8859-1
[08:06] <rever> FAT: IO charset iso8859-1 not found
[08:06] <critter> "` man tkdesk" notrhing happend
[08:06] <squallbsr> rever: what command are you typing?
[08:06] <ijuz> Seveas: cool, hopefully really 2.2.23
[08:06] <rever> I grep my config and get this CONFIG_FAT_DEFAULT_IOCHARSET="iso8859-1"
[08:06] <ijuz> (openldap 2.1.30 dies often and destroys sometimes the database)
[08:07] <rever> squallbsr, I put it in my fstab. But I also have done mount -t vfat /dev/sda5 /mnt/share
[08:07] <ompaul> critter: only type only that between the arrow heads > man tkdesk < and then hit enter
[08:07] <Seveas> ijuz sorry, it's 2.1.30
[08:07] <Seveas> but maybe hoary has a newer version
[08:07] <Seveas> i'm running warty
[08:07] <firdel> how is it i restart X _
[08:07] <squallbsr> rever: how does mount respond?  does it try to do it?
[08:07] <critter> ok
[08:07] <squallbsr> rever: or say something about the superblock
[08:07] <critter> got it
[08:08] <critter> have man up
[08:08] <rever> squallbsr, mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda5,
[08:08] <rever>        missing codepage or other error
[08:08] <thoreauputic> :/
[08:08] <ompaul> critter when you type > sudo tkdesk <  you can run it as root and traverse the whole file system
[08:08] <ijuz> Seveas: 2.1.30-3 in debian is said to have a bugfix for a segfault, but well, i'm doing now it better on my own, it's beyond cool when 40-50 boxes aren't usable because ldap is dead again
[08:08] <Seveas> absolutely
[08:09] <caliber> What do I need to compile EGGDROP.. I already did a apt-get install tcl8.4 but it still can't find the TCL library and headers
[08:09] <ompaul> critter you need to close the 'intro screen'  {I love apt-get it just does the job :)}
[08:09] <critter> I got tkdesk open but all it oped was the tool bar . But no way to open file manager
[08:09] <ompaul> critter, there is a button on the bottom of that which says close ?
[08:09] <rever> squallbsr, I tells me to look at dmesg so I do and thas when I see that error
[08:09] <rever> squallbsr, I grep my config and get this CONFIG_FAT_DEFAULT_IOCHARSET="iso8859-1"
[08:10] <ompaul> behind that there is a file system navigator
[08:10] <ompaul> then you gte all this stuff on the right hand side of your screen and you wonder where it came from :)
[08:10] <critter> Button at bottom is to delete files on the tool bar. But the intro I closed 5 min ago
[08:10] <ijuz> btw. the installer of the hoary review has imo a big problem it asks for a device for grub-install (as the install of sarge is doing at the moment), that's nothing for beginners, they first have to figure out that they have in 99,9% of the cases to enter (hd0)
[08:11] <ompaul> critter ahh I am with yhou now
[08:11] <naibed> hi
[08:12] <squallbsr> rever: the CONFIG_FAT_etc charset looks right, you are using a english windows right?
[08:12] <rever> squallbsr, Yeap english verison of windows 2000
[08:12] <ompaul> critter - okay what you need to do is something like this right on the picture that has the lamp on it :) the desktop
[08:12] <squallbsr> rever: now where to find it, hmm...
[08:12] <caliber> What do I need to compile EGGDROP.. I already did a apt-get install tcl8.4 but it still can't find the TCL library and headers
[08:12] <zeppelin> Can anyone help me in unpacking an RPM file on a PPC with Ubuntu?
[08:12] <ompaul> critter then navigate to wherever you want :)
[08:13] <ijuz> zeppelin: dumb people like me are just using mc
[08:13] <ompaul> critter - be warned tools liek that can kill your machine :)
[08:13] <ompaul> critter like that is what I mean
[08:13] <rever> squallbsr, Just to let you know I am using hoary. If that make a difference
[08:13] <zeppelin> whats mc? (count me in the dumb people category, I'm a newb)
[08:13] <ells> anyone in here actually running debian
[08:13] <squallbsr> rever: did you google the problem?
[08:13] <critter> Ompal got it ty ty ty
[08:13] <caliber> midnight commander
[08:14] <thoreauputic> zeppelin: midnight commander (file manager and editor)
[08:14] <ompaul> ells, go on ask I am running more than one linux at a time :)
[08:14] <rever> Am currently searching through some pages. Nothing yet, was hoping someone ran into this
[08:14] <zeppelin> and its a package that came with Ubuntu?
[08:14] <ijuz> zeppelin: apt-get install mc    ...no idwa if that is in ubuntu
[08:14] <ells> ompaul: in debian, I cannot connect to my debian source
[08:14] <thoreauputic> not by default
[08:14] <squallbsr> rever: out of curiosity, comment out that line in your config.  which file is it in anyway?
[08:14] <ells> ompaul: trying to see if the source is down
[08:14] <ijuz> what's btw. the ubuntu way to load kernel modules?
[08:15] <zeppelin> Cant find package "mc"
[08:15] <critter> Ompaul All I need to do is conf now Thanks
[08:15] <freewarty> Hi all
[08:15] <freewarty> Cheers to apt-get ?
[08:15] <Myrtti> I don't know if anyone else is interested in this, but as I reported earlier today, I had problems with nvidia driver not working after yesterday about this time upgrading kernel. I updated it just now again, and the problem was solved, it works again. This on hoary, kernel 2.6.10-4-386 (-27).
[08:15] <squallbsr> rever: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-12238.html
[08:15] <rever> squallbsr, That was on my /boot/config-2.6.10-custom1 file
[08:15] <ompaul> ells, then you tell us what the http is and we can look from where we are
[08:15] <freewarty> I heard that 2.7 is out now
[08:15] <gratefulfrog> zeppelin: have you tried cpio?
[08:15] <ells> okay, hold one
[08:15] <thoreauputic> zeppelin: it's in the universe repository
[08:16] <zeppelin> Dont even know what cpio is
[08:16] <squallbsr> rever: this is a good google search to use for the problem: "Unable to load NLS charset iso8859-1" (debian OR ubuntu)
[08:16] <dampjam> I'm using hoary and I love this ipod automount thing, but is there a gui way to unmount it, or do I just do that the standard umount way?
[08:16] <ells> ompaul: here ya go   deb http://debian.mirrors.pair.com/ testing main
[08:16] <ells> deb-src http://debian.mirrors.pair.com/ testing main
[08:16] <zeppelin> repositories I can do, just figured that out today =P
[08:16] <rever> squallbsr, Maybe I should have looked in Ubuntus owen found this one.  http://www.resellerhostingbox.com/linux-questions/msg6461.html
[08:16] <speel> heh i wouldent use debian made packages with ubuntu
[08:16] <squallbsr> rover: it sounds like its a problem with kernel modules, I would try to comment out that line since the codepage is most likely in the kernel.
[08:16] <Myrtti> I would, if no other means are available
[08:17] <rever> squallbsr, Will try an compile as a module instead
[08:17] <drspin> what's the fastest way to rip a CD?
[08:17] <speel> yea i suppose
[08:17] <rever> squallbsr, thanks
[08:17] <Teal`c_> find the torrent
[08:17] <gratefulfrog> rzeppelin: try this:   > rpm2cpio YourFile.rpm | cpio -i --make-directories
[08:17] <squallbsr> rever: what is your fstab?
[08:17] <thoreauputic> drspin: use sound juicer?
[08:17] <drspin> I prefer Grip
[08:17] <drspin> but what plugin?? cdparanoia, cdda2wav??
[08:18] <thoreauputic> drspin: well, install grip then
[08:18] <rever> squallbsr, /dev/sda5       /mnt/share      vfat    rw,user,noauto  0       0
[08:18] <thoreauputic> ah I see
[08:18] <ompaul> ells, not getting a reply there
[08:18] <ompaul> ells, message me please
[08:18] <reon> just installed KDE and decided I dont like it that much.
[08:18] <drspin> yes thank you :)
[08:18] <ells> ompaul: it must be down
[08:18] <ompaul> I will then message you my local config for testing
[08:19] <squallbsr> rever: I think the webpage you found has good info.  It is something to do with your compiled kernel, did you compile it, or did it come that way?
[08:19] <ijuz> Myrtti: there are patches for the nvidia modules to get them working with 2.6.11-rc5 at least, i guess ubunut 2.6.10 has some 2.6.11 stuff, so you need this or pwarts of this patches for the nvidia driver
[08:19] <squallbsr> rever: if that is default on the new hoary release, you need to submit a bug report so that it is fixed on the next release
[08:19] <Myrtti> ijuz: but it works fine now...
[08:20] <rever> squallbsr, No I compiled it to get my 6600GT to work
[08:20] <ijuz> Myrtti: ok
[08:20] <ompaul> more to the point to the wireless card
[08:20] <Teal`c_> gnome-btdownload is a nice thought but rather useless for serious use
[08:20] <ompaul> I'll fix it later
[08:20] <ijuz> squallbsr: where does somebody report bugs?
[08:21] <ompaul> actually its a pack hell I made a mistake
[08:21] <da5id> hi @ll
[08:21] <squallbsr> rever: oic.  I'm having problems with my FX5200, I get framerates of like 8 from glxgears, it gets slower the longer X stays running...
[08:21] <ompaul> ahh well l8r ya all
[08:21] <da5id> cu ompaul
[08:21] <rever> squallbsr, What nvidia driver ar you useing?
[08:22] <ompaul> cheers
[08:22] <squallbsr> ijuz: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/
[08:22] <ijuz> squallbsr: thanks
[08:23] <rever> squallbsr, BRB just finished compile. Lets see if it worked
[08:23] <ijuz> how do i load kernel modules?
[08:23] <firdel> after installing hoary + nvidia drivers, my max possible screen res is 640*480 !! help needed! >(
[08:24] <thoreauputic> ijuz: sudo modprobe <module>
[08:24] <squallbsr> rever: Latest version installed: 1.0.6629-r1
[08:24] <firdel> im hoaryfied
[08:24] <meuserj|work> firdel, lol
[08:24] <firdel> :)
[08:24] <speedy2782> I have ndiswrapper problems
[08:24] <blizah> what version of ati's drivers will hoary come with?
[08:24] <ijuz> thoreauputic: so i have to load it again after the reboot, is there a modconf replacement in ubunut?
[08:24] <speedy2782> I have installed everything line by line like the directions say, but the drivers are not loading
[08:25] <speedy2782> the hardware is present but I can't configure anything
[08:25] <thoreauputic> ijuz: just put the module in /etc/modules
[08:25] <speedy2782> wlan0 won't show up
[08:25] <speedy2782> hardware present
[08:25] <StoffBox-Steve> *arg* what append to ne new update from hoary ... nvidia is broken .. i cant install KDE .. *ahhh* i need kde for my keyboard but when i try to install it it says that some needed files cant be installed
[08:25] <speedy2782> no wlan0
[08:25] <firdel> is there a way i can force a higher res perhaps >
[08:25] <thoreauputic> ijuz: on a line at the bottom of the file
[08:25] <thoreauputic> ijuz: then it should load on boot
[08:25] <speedy2782> no wlan0
[08:26] <speedy2782> using two different cards now, won't work
[08:26] <speedy2782> motorola and netgear
[08:26] <firdel> thoreauputic, you been my salvation man sofar, gimme sugar baby :)
[08:26] <ijuz> thoreauputic: i know, but i thought ubuntu would have some other tool (when they don't install modconf)
[08:26] <thoreauputic> firdel: :)
[08:26] <StoffBox-Steve> kde: Depends: kdeaddons but it is not going to be installed <--- someone i idea how to fix that ?
[08:27] <speedy2782> are there any other ubuntu channels?
[08:27] <speedy2782> or debian chanels
[08:27] <speel> speedy2782, try the forums
[08:27] <firdel> i wonder what the average age is inhere
[08:27] <speedy2782> I have been all over the forums
[08:27] <squallbsr> StoffBox-Steve: get the .deb and install it yourself?
[08:27] <da5id> i'm wondering if anyone knows this problem, i'm using hoary, have mplayer, libfaac, w32codecs and all installed, it will play all kinds of video files, even some odd quicktime i have with weird qualcom audio codec, except when I try to play any 256k mp4 file from prelinger archives, i.e. "duck and cover" I have no sound. What's weirder, I have mplayer and older packages running on Mandrake and it will play far less -- exept those weird mp4 prel
[08:27] <da5id> inger files, any ideas?
[08:27] <thoreauputic> ijuz: well, putting a module in /etc/modules isn't too tough, is it ;-)
[08:27] <StoffBox-Steve> seems the only way squallbsr :(
[08:28] <thoreauputic> firdel: probably about 15 ;-)
[08:28] <socketbind> howdy, is it possible to have gnome 2.10 on warty?
[08:28] <firdel> yeiks
[08:28] <socketbind> without compuling is
[08:28] <socketbind> it
[08:28] <socketbind> ehheh compiling it
[08:28] <socketbind> geez i can't get used to this keyboard :D
[08:28] <squallbsr> StoffBox-Steve, apt is a great package manager, try using RH9, where YOU have to figure out the order in which to install all of the bazillion of kde packages in exactly the right order...
[08:29] <socketbind> any idea? :D i want to stay at warty
[08:29] <drspin> can I "hdparm" my scsi HD and CD drive?
[08:29] <socketbind> are there available any backports for it?
[08:29] <speedy2782> I feel windows getting reinstalled on this laptop
[08:30] <StoffBox-Steve> yeah apt is lovey but the new release from hoary look a bit ugly ;)  squallbsr
[08:30] <firdel> thoreauputic, i dont wanna spoil you saturday evening, but do you have any recomendations on how to get my res up higher? how bout you get user/pass and fix me up good over ssh ;)
[08:30] <blizah> anyone know what fglrx drivers hoary comes with
[08:30] <thoreauputic> StoffBox-Steve: I guess they can't please everybody :)
[08:30] <ijuz> drspin: just add your hdparm lines to /etc/init.d/rcS    but you should not have to do anythign for SCSI drives
[08:31] <da5id> why would you do something like that speedy2782?
[08:31] <reon> "nvidia is broken in hoary with kernel 2.6.10-26 (possibly more)"  Looks fine in 2.6.10-27
[08:31] <squallbsr> StoffBox-Steve: there is always something worse out there...
[08:31] <thoreauputic> firdel: heh - have you tried sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
[08:31] <speedy2782> because this laptop is worthless without wireless
[08:31] <drspin> ijuz: but my performance seems to suck...
[08:31] <ijuz> thoreauputic: still inconvient, modconf is better
[08:31] <speedy2782> might as well keep my desktop
[08:31] <firdel> nopes, ill do it right away
[08:31] <thoreauputic> firdel: if you are on hoary...
[08:31] <firdel> i am now
[08:31] <firdel> i think ;D
[08:31] <thoreauputic> ijuz: OK whatever you say ... :)
[08:32] <StoffBox-Steve> thoreauputic, i know ... i reinstalled warty today and than upgrade to hoary ... last time i do this ( 2 weeks ago ) all was fine .... looks like i have to wait a bit so KDE and nvidia works again
[08:32] <ijuz> drspin: how fast is the scsi disk? how much speed to you get?
[08:32] <squallbsr> FOR ALL YOU NVIDIA PEOPLE: If you have a via chipset and agpgart in the kernel, you need to google around for using the NvAPG instead of the kernel module.  VIA is known to cause problems with some nvidia cards on some via chipsets...
[08:32] <lunitik> ijuz: modconf doesn't help at all if you don't know what you need... and takes longer than simply googleing and typing 'modprobe what_good_said"
[08:32] <laggerzero> woot this kernel has cpad modules built in
[08:32] <lunitik> what_google_said*
[08:32] <Teal`c_> gnome-btdownload should be removed.. completely.. it a pos , sorry
[08:33] <laggerzero> probably going to have to reinstall my kernel drivers though
[08:33] <laggerzero> for nvidia
[08:33] <firdel> thoreauputic, im asked:  Please enter the video card's bus identifier.
[08:33] <drspin> ijuz: I have the controller set to optimum settings I think...
[08:33] <socketbind> squallbsr: mine works fine with AGPGART is it better to use nvAGP?
[08:33] <lunitik> Teal`c_: eh... care to elaborate?
[08:33] <drspin> I'm pretty new to this scsi stuff
[08:33] <thoreauputic> firdel: leave that - not necessary
[08:33] <Brunellus> Hi there.
[08:33] <Brunellus> trying to isntall samba via synaptic
[08:33] <firdel> PCI:1:0:0 is default, but im guessing it should be agp something
[08:33] <firdel> ok
[08:33] <ijuz> lunitik: i mostly don't need google, but ok, i don't care about usability
[08:34] <lunitik> Teal`c_: It worked for me... decent speeds too...
[08:34] <ijuz> drspin: optimal settings? what should that be?
[08:34] <Brunellus> and I get an error on the install..
[08:34] <Teal`c_> lunitik, it doesnt save settings, the file selector doesnt use the one in the latest gnome, command line arguments dont work.... nuf said
[08:34] <squallbsr> socketbind: I had numerous X crashes with my VIA chipset on an old epox MB (Athlon classic), NvAGP was the answer.
[08:34] <Teal`c_> cant change ports because of that
[08:34] <drspin> agpgart: Found an AGP 2.0 compliant device at 0000:00:00.0.
[08:34] <drspin> agpgart: Putting AGP V2 device at 0000:00:00.0 into 4x mode
[08:34] <drspin> agpgart: Putting AGP V2 device at 0000:01:00.0 into 4x mode
[08:34] <Teal`c_> basically useless for most people
[08:34] <Brunellus> synaptic tells me I have dangling symlinks
[08:34] <Brunellus> and I don't know what's going on
[08:34] <socketbind> squallbsr: well mine is an ASUS, kt400a chipset, works very nicely
[08:34] <lunitik> ijuz: if you know what you need... modprobe just makes things take longer... its not a matter of usability, usability would be "plug it in and just work"...
[08:34] <socketbind> squallbsr: just can't get to work the fast writes
[08:35] <drspin> ijuz: the defaults -- which are the fastest settings...
[08:35] <socketbind> squallbsr: though i have it enabled in the bios, there must be some way to enforce it
[08:35] <ijuz> drspin: so why you are claiming it's slow when it's optimal?
[08:35] <lunitik> ijuz: s/modprobe/modconf/
[08:36] <socketbind> anyway DOES anybody know gnome 2.10 backports for warty?
[08:36] <ijuz> lunitik: yes, for example mandrake installed and configured my tv card :-)
[08:36] <socketbind> or must i compile it if I want one
[08:36] <Brunellus> help.
[08:36] <lunitik> socketbind: why would you want to do that? just use hoary  :/
[08:36] <Brunellus> I'm trying to install samba
[08:36] <Brunellus> and it won't confirm changes/configure samba
[08:36] <lunitik> ijuz: 'apt-get install tvtime' ... and it will work  :/
[08:36] <socketbind> lunitik: well i would stay at a stable release
[08:36] <Brunellus> because of a "dangling symlink" error
[08:36] <drspin> ijuz: let's try this  -- just because my hardware is optimally configured does not mean that the software is optimally configured... so could you point me to a good "using scsi in linux" tutorial?
[08:36] <lunitik> socketbind: everything is stable upstream  :/
[08:36] <socketbind> lunitik: i need a very stable system
[08:36] <nicc_> socketbind: yes stay, its a lot better
[08:36] <squallbsr> socketbind: there is a whole bunch of "Option  blah" available for the nvidia driver - you'll have to google it - since I haven't gotten around to fully setting up mine yet...
[08:37] <lunitik> socketbind: then you don't want a gnome x.x.0 release
[08:37] <nicc_> socketbind: and wait for gnome 2.10, there is really no need to hurry
[08:37] <Brunellus> is anyone running samba on warty?
[08:37] <squallbsr> lunitik: get debian, or stick with warty for stability.  Choose a BSD, and definitely stay AWAY from gentoo.
[08:37] <socketbind> okeydokey :D
[08:37] <drspin> Brunellus: I use Samba on warty
[08:37] <socketbind> squallbsr: well i've found those
[08:37] <lunitik> squallbsr: what?
[08:37] <squallbsr> lunitik: you said you need a very stable system...
[08:37] <Brunellus> drspin:  I'm trying to install samba via synaptic
[08:38] <socketbind> does i need to put it before or after the alias in modprobe.conf
[08:38] <lunitik> squallbsr: no I didn't.
[08:38] <socketbind> squallbsr: i said i need one :D
[08:38] <Brunellus> and the samba package doesn't configure
[08:38] <socketbind> squallbsr: i know that fast writes can make it unstable
[08:38] <drspin> Brunellus: why not?
[08:38] <Brunellus> "dangling symlinks"
[08:38] <squallbsr> lunitik: sorry, I cannot read...
[08:38] <lunitik> squallbsr: learn
[08:38] <ijuz> lunitik: no, it loads the tuner module with the wrong options (i don't know what's changed, but apt-get install xawtv is enough on a debian system)
[08:38] <Brunellus> "invoke-rc.d: dangling symlink: /etc/rc2.d/K09samba"
[08:38] <socketbind> well but these options do need to be placed before or after nvidia aliases in modprobe.conf?
[08:39] <drspin> Brunellus: can't help you there -- try searching on google "ubuntu dangling symlinks"
[08:39] <socketbind> oh modules.conf
[08:39] <socketbind> i have only that
[08:39] <squallbsr> lunitik: learn what?  your name was in that line, it was from socketbind to you.
[08:39] <ijuz> drspin: no, it should really just work
[08:39] <socketbind> well but these options do need to be placed before or after nvidia aliases in modprobe.conf?
[08:39] <drspin> ijuz: ok -- thanks :)
[08:39] <da5id> anyone experience with aac audio and hoary?
[08:39] <ijuz> drspin: if it's possible to tune something it's fucked, like for example ide
[08:39] <lunitik> ijuz: *shrug* installing tvtime worked here... xawtv sucks though.
[08:39] <t325> dampjam try right clicking on ipod's icon
[08:40] <drspin> ijuz: heh - but I can tune the shit out of my IDE on this system and more than double my throughput --
[08:40] <jdk15> legends in mpg4 anyone?
[08:40] <drspin> ijuz: on certain drives ;)
[08:40] <laggerzero> time to compile
[08:40] <laggerzero> if this works off of the first boot it will be a miracle
[08:40] <ijuz> lunitik: can't cut and waste...  "tuner: TV freq (0.00) out of range (44-958)"
[08:40] <drspin> I used xawtv -- it's simple and I like it
[08:41] <drspin> this was more than a year ago though
[08:41] <speedy2782> why would ndiswrapper show hardware as present but not list it as wlan0
[08:42] <laggerzero> do a modprobe ndiswrapper
[08:42] <laggerzero> i bet my wireless won't work after i reinstall the kernel
[08:42] <laggerzero> leme get those nvidia drivers ready
[08:42] <ijuz> lunitik: stop, the xawtv install loaded the module, i'll try to install tvtime again
[08:42] <laggerzero> i know its not gonna let me back into x
[08:42] <firdel> no luck with the screen res thoreauputic :l
[08:43] <firdel> told X to use 1280*1024@60hz, but the only choice i have is 640*480@60hz
[08:43] <reon> firdel, try editing the xorg.conf file
[08:44] <reon> i had a similair problem on array5
[08:44] <pestilence> is there a gnome vnc client?
[08:45] <laggerzero> man i missed a bunch on this kernel. i see a lot more fat to trim off
[08:46] <squallbsr> pestilence: you are actually probably looking for a gnome frontend to something like tightvnc or realvnc.  Do a search of such.  As for rdesktop - there is grdesktop (gnome ui for rdesktop)
[08:46] <firdel> ups
[08:46] <firdel> come again
[08:46] <scizzo> pestilence: there is one included in GNOME now
[08:46] <pestilence> scizzo: what's it called
[08:46] <laggerzero> oh crap now i know what i forgot. all the network crap
[08:47] <pestilence> squallbsr: i'm looking for vncviewer, gnome version
[08:47] <Funraiser> somebody is using PAN here?
[08:47] <pestilence> squallbsr: there is one for kde, just wondering if there was one for gnome
[08:47] <scizzo> wait a sec
[08:47] <reon> firdel, did you try and edit the xorg.conf ?
[08:47] <pestilence> and it seems like since there is a frontend for the server there should be one for the viewer
[08:48] <farruinn> pestilence: look under applications>interent, I think it's there
[08:48] <firdel> well, im creating one now, i cant find an existing one
[08:48] <Teal`c_> anybody wanna get high with me ?
[08:48] <firdel> i have to answer 101 questions
[08:48] <pestilence> farruinn: not in hoary, at least i don't see one
[08:48] <laggerzero> now i've got to compile all over :(
[08:48] <ijuz> lunitik: somehow the module is loaded when booting with the wrong options
[08:48] <BleSS> somebody with thinkpad laptop can tell me the output of 'cat /proc/bus/input/devices |grep Name'
[08:49] <scizzo> if I am not wrong I used the Terminal Server Client to connect to my computer once with VNC
[08:49] <reon> firdel, no /etx/X11/xorg.conf file ?
[08:49] <scizzo> it handles a lot of different protocols from what it seems and using it against VNC shouldn't be a problem
[08:49] <reon> etc
[08:49] <farruinn> pestilence: terminal server client
[08:49] <firdel> nopes
[08:49] <farruinn> pestilence: change rdp to vnc
[08:49] <firdel> oh
[08:50] <firdel> hang on
[08:50] <laggerzero> firdel, are you using warty or hoary?
[08:50] <laggerzero> warty uses xfree86
[08:50] <firdel> hoary
[08:50] <laggerzero> nm then
[08:50] <scizzo> pestilence: Applications -> Internet -> Terminal Server Client
[08:50] <pestilence> farruinn: that seems like the wrong name...
[08:51] <pestilence> i associate terminal server with other things.
[08:51] <farruinn> pestilence: if you don't like it file a bug, but that's what you're looking for
[08:51] <farruinn> pestilence: _client_
[08:51] <farruinn> oh
[08:51] <pestilence> farruinn: ok, thanks
[08:51] <firdel> reon, found it
[08:51] <scizzo> pestilence: its not a VNC only client
[08:51] <pestilence> scizzo: gotcha
[08:51] <reon> firdel, i need some info from the file
[08:51] <pestilence> i just wouldn't have looked for a vncviewer under "terminal server client"
[08:52] <blizah> could one of ya see what version of the ati drivers fglrx hoary comes with (im just curiuous so i can see how uptodate they are)
[08:52] <laggerzero> here is a quick question. debian uses different run levels then any other distro. what run level besides 1 is console only?
[08:52] <laggerzero> nvidia drivers might not install in single user
[08:52] <will50n> someone who could help me about ubuntu please!!1
[08:52] <reon> firdel, go to Section "Monitor"
[08:52] <firdel> 	Identifier	"NVIDIA Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] "
[08:52] <firdel> 	Driver		"nv"
[08:52] <firdel> 	BusID		"PCI:1:0:0"
[08:52] <firdel> EndSection
[08:52] <farruinn> laggerzero: debian/ubuntu doesn't do the runlevel magic
[08:52] <firdel> Section "Monitor"
[08:52] <firdel> 	Identifier	"Sony 200ES"
[08:52] <firdel> 	Option		"DPMS"
[08:52] <firdel> EndSection
[08:52] <firdel> Section "Screen"
[08:52] <firdel> 	Identifier	"Default Screen"
[08:52] <firdel> 	Device		"NVIDIA Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] "
[08:52] <naibed> flood!
[08:52] <firdel> 	Monitor		"Sony 200ES"
[08:52] <firdel> 	DefaultDepth	24
[08:53] <firdel> 	SubSection "Display"
[08:53] <laggerzero> will the nvidia drivers install in runlevel 1?
[08:53] <firdel> 		Depth		1
[08:53] <firdel> 		Modes		"1152x864" "1024x768"
[08:53] <reon> firdel, what are your hor & ver refresh ranges ?
[08:53] <firdel> shit sry
[08:53] <firdel> i thougt i pasted that in priv
[08:53] <farruinn> laggerzero: install or load?
[08:53] <laggerzero> install
[08:53] <will50n> install
[08:53] <laggerzero> it won't work while in x
[08:53] <will50n> i need wo install more than 2 OS
[08:53] <firdel> 1152x864@75hz
[08:53] <firdel> max
[08:53] <will50n> what boot manager to use?
[08:53] <thoreauputic> laggerzero: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[08:53] <will50n> or how configurate
[08:54] <BleSS> somebody with laptop can tell me the output of 'grep Name /proc/bus/input/devices'? I need it to finishing a tools for autoconfiguration in live systems
[08:54] <laggerzero> ok
[08:54] <Funraiser> nobody's using a grabit-like here?
[08:54] <Funraiser> ?
[08:54] <laggerzero> will do that on next reboot
[08:54] <laggerzero> kernel almost done compiling
[08:54] <will50n> help
[08:54] <speedy2782> laggerzero, any new ideas on my wifi
[08:54] <reon> firdel, no, under Section "Monitor" you should have HorzSync & VertRefresh
[08:54] <will50n> please send some privates
[08:54] <firdel> hang on
[08:54] <laggerzero> try a different driver?
[08:54] <laggerzero> not all drivers work the same
[08:54] <reon> firdel, go to the DCC window
[08:54] <speedy2782> I am trying a different wifi card actually
[08:55] <critter> IS there any way to get xmms to play wma files
[08:55] <speedy2782> this one shows up as present
[08:55] <speedy2782> but won't do anything else
[08:55] <speedy2782> it won't show up as wlan0
[08:55] <laggerzero> it might come up as eth1
[08:55] <laggerzero> do an iwconfig
[08:55] <speedy2782> nothing new comes up
[08:55] <speedy2782> just eth0 and lo
[08:56] <will50n> help with a boot manager? please some ideas ...
[08:56] <laggerzero> Installed ndis drivers:
[08:56] <laggerzero> bcmwl5a driver present, hardware present
[08:56] <laggerzero> i get that
[08:56] <laggerzero> when doing ndiswrapper -l
[08:56] <speedy2782> what card to you use
[08:56] <laggerzero> so it sees your card but the driver is not instlled
[08:56] <laggerzero> broadcomBroadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 03)
[08:57] <laggerzero> yay my kerenel is done
[08:57] <laggerzero> now time to add it to grub
[08:57] <speedy2782> that is the same driver im using
[08:57] <blizah> would i need a firewall in ubuntu if i planned on having an ftp?
[08:57] <freewarty> I have some problems browisng my network from Gnome 2.8
[08:57] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> doh apt: WARNING: Failed to parse default value `(??????-?,???????)' for schema (/schemas/apps/gnome-terminal/global/active_encodings)
[08:58] <speedy2782> would hoary help
[08:58] <laggerzero> duno
[09:00] <firdel> how do i tell what kernel im using ?
[09:01] <laggerzero> here goes nothing
[09:01] <elmaya> uname -a
[09:01] <thoreauputic> firdel:  uname -r
[09:01] <thoreauputic> firdel: either - uname -a gives more info
[09:02] <firdel> ok
[09:02] <firdel> what does it mean nvidia is broken with that kernel ?
[09:03] <thoreauputic> firdel: in the immortal phrase - "it doesn't work"
[09:03] <thoreauputic> ;-)
[09:03] <cocol> do i have to remove the older kernels?
[09:03] <firdel> ah shit
[09:03] <LeEspionage> oh shit
[09:03] <thoreauputic> cocol: no
[09:04] <cocol> thankx man!
[09:04] <firdel> Linux ubuntu1 2.6.10-4-386
[09:04] <firdel> so im not affected
[09:04] <firdel> ? :)
[09:04] <elmaya> with?
[09:04] <LeEspionage> herpes
[09:04] <LeEspionage> rabies
[09:04] <firdel> i got the herpies
[09:04] <elmaya> flu
[09:04] <thoreauputic> cocol: in fact having an old one around can be a nice safety net
[09:04] <cocol> but i have some 3
[09:05] <thoreauputic> cocol: heh - some people have a lot more than that :)
[09:05] <thoreauputic> cocol: just leave them be
[09:05] <cocol> ia relaxed now! :)
[09:09] <error_29> Folks would i be breaking some kind of linux protocol if I filed bug reports on things that I'm fairly sure are intentional, but that drive me nuts?
[09:09] <HillTop> I installed Warty which made 300MB swap and the rest /. I have 512MB RAM that according to "top" (consol command) is nearly all in use. Even as hte load increased, swap is zero used. Is it "turned off"??
[09:09] <ARgherer> error_29: your funny
[09:09] <error_29> in other words, should I second guess myself if i think my bug is another person's feature?
[09:09] <Anubis> HillTop, LOL no
[09:09] <thoreauputic> error_29: haha - no I think you'd be following a well established tradition :)
[09:09] <error_29> my funny what?
[09:10] <error_29> I mean, people step on spider's in my house, I get real pissed...
[09:10] <HillTop> Anubis, thanks. I have used other distros like pclinuxos where swap was used more or less but never zero.
[09:10] <error_29> oops, spiders
[09:11] <thoreauputic> error_29: how do you think the spiders feel ? *g*
[09:11] <Anubis> HillTop, give it time, it will be used. I have the same amount of memory. After 7days uptime 33% of swap is now in use
[09:11] <NobleArc> Whenever I start GNOME -- after GDM loads and everything, but it also happens if I run startx in a terminal -- my computer just.. freezes.  No reason, just.. freezes.  If I run all the programs I usually do through fluxbox though, everything is fine.  Weird.
[09:11] <thoreauputic> error_29: I suspect I'll be a spider in my next incarnation....
[09:11] <tizen> HillTop: Could be a difference in the kernel versions too
[09:12] <error_29> then thoreauputic , other people's bugs will be your sustenance.
[09:12] <yonatan> hi, while installing ubuntu, i accidentally installed grub to a fat32 extended partition. do i need to remove it from there?
[09:12] <thoreauputic> error_29: clever!
[09:12] <thoreauputic> error_29: nice one
[09:13] <Teal`c_> imagine if Wild Bill had the internet
[09:13] <farruinn> NobleArc: try running things like gnome-settings-daemon, gnome-panel, and nautilus from fluxbox to see if you can isolate the problem
[09:13] <HillTop> Anubis, tizen, thanks.  I think the new Firefox may have its memory leak fixed. Any idea?
[09:13] <firdel> reon, it werks!!
[09:13] <NobleArc> m'kay, farruinn.
[09:14] <firdel> thx man!
[09:14] <reon> firdel, cool !
[09:14] <firdel> you the man!
[09:14] <firdel> haha
[09:14] <laggerzero> must of forgot auditing support
[09:14] <laggerzero> it did nothing
[09:14] <Teal`c_> Anubis !
[09:14] <laggerzero> on the up side, the nvidia drivers installed :_
[09:14] <laggerzero> :)
[09:14] <error_29> Anubis, good info on swap.  I was wondering why the hell my swap never seemed to get used.
[09:15] <reon> firdel, your max refresh rate is 65Hz at the 1280x1024 resolution, dont go higher than 65 at that res
[09:15] <laggerzero> the hoary packages seem to get updated very frequently
[09:15] <laggerzero> i like that
[09:16] <NobleArc> hm, I tried everything I have that loads on startup, farruinn, and it's not crashed. o_O
[09:16] <reon> laggerzero, prob because it is a dev release...
[09:16] <firdel> i wont. but i want atleast 75hz, so i stay with the 1152*864@75hz
[09:16] <error_29> ok, really dumbass question probably:  I've got two ubuntu installations on this laptop, one broken, both with large swap partitions-- is there any way for different installs to share one swap partition, and how do I do it?
[09:16] <lok> I need help to install jre 1.5 on hoarry is somebody here already install it ?
[09:16] <thoreauputic> laggerzero: that will stop rather suddenly in April :)
[09:16] <NobleArc> oh wait, no metacity yet.
[09:16] <reon> firdel, that should be fine
[09:16] <firdel> its is, fanx to you
[09:16] <thoreauputic> error_29: sure, swap can be shared
[09:16] <NobleArc> but if I killall fluxbox.. o_o
[09:17] <HillTop> error_29, I guess it is good news - swap not used much.  Which error 29 are you?? I see about 22000 hits when I google it. :)
[09:17] <reon> firdel, no probs
[09:17] <thoreauputic> error_29: just do sudo swapon /dev/hd* or sudo swapon -a
[09:17] <error_29> how do I do that, thoreauputic -- I kind of expected ubuntu installer to do it for me
[09:17] <firdel> i got more problems, if you like solving probs ;)
[09:17] <hone> hello
[09:18] <reon> firdel, only been at it for 2 weeks but shoot, if i can help i will
[09:18] <hone> I'm still having issues w/ nautilus not opening
[09:18] <thoreauputic> error_29: ah, you probably accepted default partitioning ?
[09:18] <error_29> thanks, thoreauputic -- HillTop, error_29 is what Grub calls me every time I boot up.
[09:18] <hone> or a window poppin gup rather
[09:19] <defnop> hey all, i was here earlier today with a problem concerning my latitude d810, i can boot ubuntu live preview but when ubuntu tries to detect my hard ware after i told ubuntu what keyboard i have and so on... it stops en says he can't find a proper driver for my cdrom :( does anybody got a tip or something cause google and the forum weren't much of a help :(
[09:19] <error_29> yeah, I never know wtf I'm doing, thoreauputic --- !
[09:19] <thoreauputic> error_29: heh - you will, you will  ;)
[09:19] <lok> I need help to install jre 1.5 on hoarry is somebody here have already install it ?
[09:19] <HillTop> error_29, Is that a disk write error?
[09:20] <P4c0> hallo??
[09:20] <error_29> HillTop, it's Grub refusing to boot WinXp
[09:20] <P4c0> anyone can tell me a media player to watch DVD???
[09:20] <error_29> so, yes, i believe it says something about disk write
[09:20] <hone> P4c0, xine
[09:20] <laggerzero> you need the dvd libraries P4c0
[09:20] <thoreauputic> lok: read http://ubuntuguide.org
[09:20] <laggerzero> google libdvdcss
[09:20] <HillTop> error_29, Ohhh, :/
[09:20] <hone> P4c0, apt-get install libdvdcss2
[09:21] <Nobelina> -_-
[09:21] <P4c0> ok, thx
[09:21] <laggerzero> or its on apt
[09:21] <Nobelina> er.
[09:21] <error_29> I haven't dealt with it yet, because I'm gonna wipe this drive eventually and start over.
[09:21] <Nobelina> NobleArc.
[09:21] <Nobelina> ghost!
[09:21] <laggerzero> haha
[09:21] <NobleArc> -_-
[09:21] <NobleArc> I blame ubuntu.  It hates me.
[09:21] <laggerzero> that looked a little strange
[09:22] <NobleArc> yesterday, for no reason, x just stopped working.. Five hours later, I fixed it.  Then GNOME started freezing.
[09:22] <laggerzero> might be kernel
[09:22] <thoreauputic> OMG you killed Nobelina!
[09:22] <hone> mmm
[09:22] <NobleArc> maybe. =\
[09:22] <hone> anyone have problems w/ nautilus here?
[09:22] <NobleArc> uh, nautilus is what is causing my GNOME to crash, heh.
[09:22] <bdm> How to you watch DVD's with totem-gstreamer?
[09:23] <laggerzero> mine works fine
[09:23] <NobleArc> it goes *agagaga* whenever the wallpaper loads. o_o
[09:23] <laggerzero> use xine
[09:23] <NobleArc> and if I run it from a commandline in fluxbox, without --no-desktop, crashy crashy.
[09:23] <error_29> xine is wonderful
[09:23] <laggerzero> or mplayer
[09:23] <laggerzero> if you can get it working
[09:23] <bdm> gstreamer does not have DVD support?
[09:23] <hone> laggerzero, mplayer isn't hard to get working
[09:23] <laggerzero> i know
[09:23] <mgalvin> bdm: don't its really sluggish
[09:23] <error_29> mplayer hates me.  It has always refused to show its face around me.
[09:23] <laggerzero> i'm just too lazy to install the deps
[09:23] <NobleArc> gstreamer doesn't do anything.
[09:24] <hone> laggerzero, heh
[09:24] <hone> laggerzero, apt-get?
[09:24] <laggerzero> still won't work
[09:24] <laggerzero> i'm gonna hve to compile it
[09:24] <NobleArc> ew. I hate KDE.
[09:24] <PieD> hi
[09:24] <laggerzero> 3.4 has made improvements
[09:24] <hone> me too
[09:24] <laggerzero> much more streamlined
[09:24] <laggerzero> i prefer gnome by far though
[09:25] <error_29> bdm, see this page for steps to take to get fuller multimedia suppost
[09:25] <error_29> http://ubuntuguide.org/
[09:25] <PieD> simple question : when will ndiswrapper 1.1 be integrated in ubuntu ?
[09:25] <laggerzero> 3.4 is worthy of looking at though
[09:25] <laggerzero> lot has changed
[09:25] <bdm> will do, thanks
[09:25] <NobleArc> no GNOME, I don't like any of the boxes, xfce is too old in Ubuntu, and I don't really like the new version anyway, I wouldn't be caught dead with IceWM, I'm sick of windowmaker, enlightenment scares me..  I guess it's KDE then. =\
[09:25] <PieD> it's quite a problem to stay with 1.0rc2 !
[09:26] <BleSS> somebody with apm in laptop can show me (private message) it's output 'cat /proc/apm' i want know about battery
[09:26] <laggerzero> i love the new gnome
[09:26] <laggerzero> new kernel is done
[09:26] <error_29> yay NobleArc -- you basically summed up my feelings ('cept I kind of like IceWM)  Enlightenment freaks me too, not sure why!
[09:26] <laggerzero> there is always blackbox
[09:26] <NobleArc> eh, I had bad troubles with IceWM when I first started Linux.  It was too windows-esque.
[09:27] <NobleArc> blackbox is one of the boxen.  flux, black and open.
[09:27] <lok> I read the ubuntu guide I ve made all it's say to install jre but I need a folder that is needed by the java binaries
[09:27] <NobleArc> I'm sick of them.  I used them for months before installing ubuntu, heh.
[09:27] <error_29> people always say that about IceWM-- I don't know why... there are scores of well done themes in there
[09:27] <lok> so if someone habe a /usr/java/lang
[09:27] <NobleArc> eh.
[09:27] <mdblitz1> is there anyway to add programs the menu in gnome 2.10?
[09:27] <lok> tell me
[09:27] <yonatan> no opinions as to having mistakenly installed grub to a win32 extended partition?
[09:27] <hone> lok I just use java package
[09:27] <laggerzero> install on the mbr
[09:28] <demian> ehm...
[09:28] <hone> lok, java-package
[09:28] <demian> help
[09:28] <thoreauputic> lok: I don't understand what you mean...
[09:28] <mdblitz1> demian: whats wrong?
[09:28] <demian> can anyone tell me where i can find a list of basic commands
[09:28] <lj__> wahts ubuntu?
[09:28] <ompaul> demian, if we knew what needed helping we might be able to help
[09:28] <mdblitz1> heh
[09:28] <demian> can anyone tell me where i can find a list of basic commands
[09:28] <demian> :)
[09:28] <lok> hone, apt-cache don't found java-package
[09:28] <mdblitz1> help
[09:28] <mdblitz1> in the terminal
[09:28] <lj__> "Whats UBUNTU"
[09:28] <mdblitz1> :P
[09:28] <ompaul> lj__ an operating system, and alternative to some well known ones
[09:28] <demian> hmmm
[09:29] <demian> serious?
[09:29] <preglow> is the hoary nvidia x module funtioning today?
[09:29] <yonatan> laggerzero: i already re-installed my bootloader. i'm just wondering what to do about the fact that i installed grub to a win32 extended partition. will it harm anything? can i remove it?
[09:29] <mdblitz1> it'll give you some commands
[09:29] <lj__> "Whats UBUNTU"
[09:29] <mdblitz1> what commands are you looking for?
[09:29] <ompaul> demian, have a look at http://www.tldp.org
[09:29] <mdblitz1> mv = move
[09:29] <lj__> oh
[09:29] <mdblitz1> cp = copy
[09:29] <NobleArc> how exactly would I go about installing kde in ubuntu?  Whenever I try it wants to remove kdelibs4 and everything. o_O!?
[09:29] <mdblitz1> rm = delete
[09:29] <lj__> is it unix baded? linux?
[09:29] <error_29> oh oh
[09:29] <ompaul> lj_ yes
[09:29] <caliber> lj__ linux
[09:29] <laggerzero> whoa. that might kill it
[09:29] <lok> thoreauputic, java/lang/NoClassDefFoundError: java/lang/Object
[09:29] <scizzo> lj__: www.ubuntulinux.org
[09:29] <laggerzero> here is a fun one
[09:29] <lj__> k i'l chekc it out
[09:30] <lok> it's what I have when I try to launch java
[09:30] <laggerzero> lsmod
[09:30] <freewarty> Unix is 100 + 1 % linux
[09:30] <akrabat> NobleArc: try apt-get install kde-core ?
[09:30] <laggerzero> lists all modules loaded
[09:30] <laggerzero> lspci all hardware
[09:30] <laggerzero> only as root though
[09:30] <thoreauputic> demian: http://www.tuxfiles.org/
[09:30] <NobleArc> ahh, thanks, akrabat.
[09:30] <mdblitz1> laggerzero: you know of a way to add to gnome 2.10's meun?
[09:30] <mdblitz1> menu*
[09:30] <laggerzero> right click on the panel and add
[09:30] <NobleArc> adding to the menu itself? no idea.
[09:30] <mdblitz1> yea
[09:30] <laggerzero> oh
[09:30] <error_29> I don't think gnome wants anybody messing with their precious menus.
[09:30] <mdblitz1> add to the menu itself not the panel
[09:31] <mdblitz1> I know how to add to the panel
[09:31] <laggerzero> not sure
[09:31] <demian> thnx
[09:31] <NobleArc> you'd have to search for the elusive menu xml file, and edit it by hand.   ANd then of course next time you install anything with apt, your changes would disappear.
[09:31] <thoreauputic> error_29: I get that impression too :/
[09:31] <mdblitz1> damn, sure would like to add files to it
[09:31] <defnop> oeps :-) sorry that i bother you all with my latitude d810 problem is just read that's a bug
[09:31] <hone> my apps seem to be buggy
[09:31] <laggerzero> brb
[09:31] <laggerzero> gonna see if this new kernel works
[09:31] <ompaul> demian, enjoy
[09:31] <error_29> Gnome wants us to kill all kinds of time setting up drawers on the panels instead , and be grateful for the experience
[09:32] <akrabat> Is there a keyboard shortcut for "view hidden files" in Nautilus ?
[09:32] <scizzo> error_29: seems like you are against gnome?
[09:32] <thully> does anyone know what the "iPod" option in Rhythmbox can do?  Can it transfer to an iPod or do I need gtkpod for that?
[09:32] <thoreauputic> akrabat: ctrl-h
[09:32] <error_29> oh please, scizzo.
[09:32] <thully> (this is only on hoary)
[09:32] <akrabat> error_29: doesn't work on hoary :(
[09:32] <NobleArc> m'kay brb, going to switch to KDE. =\
[09:33] <scizzo> error_29: just a simple question
[09:33] <demian> before I go hunting for an answer, maybe you could help
[09:33] <mdblitz1> damn, and I liked the new gnone for the most part
[09:33] <P4c0> any1 from spain??
[09:33] <demian> I need to change the perms for me
[09:33] <mdblitz1> gnome*
[09:33] <demian> cause the root account seems to be disabled
[09:34] <demian> I can't acces it
[09:34] <scizzo> demian: use sudo
[09:34] <thoreauputic> P4c0: #ubuntu-es
[09:34] <scizzo> demian: sudo -s -H
[09:34] <mdblitz1> demian: use sudo
[09:34] <P4c0> root is disabled by default
[09:34] <demian> scizzo, doesn't work
[09:34] <jon1012> demian > sudo ;)
[09:34] <Marble2> anyone here use amarok?
[09:34] <demian> I know :D
[09:34] <dstevens> icewm-lite is very nice
[09:34] <scizzo> demian: then when it asks for a password you type the user password
[09:34] <demian> but when I type the pass it doesn't take it
[09:34] <mdblitz1> you use your pass
[09:34] <jon1012> demian: Demian from Herman Hesse ? ;)
[09:34] <demian> :D
[09:34] <demian> also ;)
[09:35] <demian> there are more references to me :D
[09:35] <jon1012> ok :)
[09:35] <jon1012> (I love this book)
[09:35] <thully> GNOME 2.10 is pretty neat... it seems like it may supplant KDE for me
[09:35] <jon1012> thully: sure :)
[09:36] <naibed> lol
[09:36] <demian> I'm not in the sudoer file
[09:36] <scizzo> demian: you are using ubuntu?
[09:36] <jon1012> I need some advices on an app... Is there some persons willing to be beta-testers out there ? :)
[09:36] <demian> and the pass I made for the root doesn't work :(
[09:36] <NobleArc> Well, as soon as KDE reaches 'loading desktop...' it freezes my entire computer as well.  So, no KDE, no GNOME, just fluxbox. -_-
[09:36] <demian> scizzo, yes
[09:36] <jon1012> (for and opensource gnome app)
[09:36] <scizzo> demian: and you have 1 user only?
[09:36] <demian> scizzo, no two
[09:37] <scizzo> demian: if you use the other account does it work then with sudo?
[09:37] <demian> scizzo, the root account seems to be disabled or something
[09:37] <error_29> ideal system in an ideal world-- gnome and kde get together, kde to handle panels and menus, and applets, gnome for overall look and feel, with a little more control
[09:37] <ompaul> demian, you need to ask the person who controls the box to use that account to grant you access if they wish to
[09:37] <scizzo> demian: it is disabled by default
[09:37] <NobleArc> I'll be playing Unreal Tournament 2004.. if it still works, that is.
[09:37] <scizzo> demian: I am guessing you didn't read the big screen about it being disabled during install?
[09:38] <demian> scizzo, I can't get into the root
[09:38] <demian> scizzo, I read it :D
[09:38] <demian> scizzo, It's broken
[09:38] <ompaul> demian, that is how life is - you need to get into the other account - root is not broken
[09:38] <demian> I can get into root, but only in revovery momde
[09:38] <scizzo> I give up
[09:38] <mdblitz1> error_29: what all should I install for kde?
[09:39] <scizzo> demian: 1. login to the first account you created..
[09:39] <scizzo> demian: 2. try sudo from that account
[09:39] <thoreauputic> demian: then in recovery mode, use visudo to edit the sudoers file
[09:39] <demian> visudo
[09:39] <scizzo> demian: using the password you have for the first account you created
[09:39] <demian> thnx :)
[09:39] <dstevens> sudo sulogin
[09:39] <error_29> sorry mdblitzl-- I don't know what to tell you, 'cause i never really used kde itself, just some parts of it in gnome, the kicker for example, and Konqueror, and some editors
[09:40] <NobleArc> okay, so now ut2004 gives me a segmentation fault error.  Goodbye everyone, I'm not ever going to use ubuntu, ever again.  ... Ever.   until hoary is released, heh.  Then I'll do a fresh install.
[09:40] <error_29> and currently, kde in ubuntu seems to be getting upgraded (but for my purposes, it's been wrecked)
[09:40] <mdblitz1> hehe
[09:40] <kingjere> Is there a way to shorten the timeout value for waiting for DHCP durring the bootup process?
[09:40] <mdblitz1> I think I'll just stick with gnome then for now :P
[09:40] <NobleArc> must..kill..everything.. -_-
[09:41] <ompaul> NobleArc, just for fun if anything is plugged into the usb ports unplug it to see if the machine boots
[09:41] <error_29> mdblitz1, prolly a good idea
[09:41] <Teal`c_> anybody know how i change the default window size for nautlius ? its way too small right now and i cant find anything in gconf-editor
[09:41] <heatxsink> hello all
[09:41] <heatxsink> i'm trying to mount an ntfs partition
[09:42] <ompaul> kingjere, is it the case that the DHCP service is not going to be available on a regular basis or is it rarely ?
[09:42] <heatxsink> I can mount it but only root can touch it
[09:42] <kingjere> Is there a way to shorten the timeout value for waiting for DHCP durring the bootup process?
[09:43] <ompaul>  ^C kingjere has been known to help
[09:43] <thoreauputic> kingjere: erm, I think ompaul asked you a question earlier... are you there? Hello?
[09:44] <thoreauputic> oh he left...
[09:44] <ompaul> thoreauputic, or did a ^C :)
[09:44] <thoreauputic> nice guy....
[09:44] <thoreauputic> ompaul: haha - yes, didn't think of that !
[09:44] <error_29> ompaul, do you know if there's any way to set things up so that the computer automatically skips looking for network connections, if unplugged from the network?  So i don't have to sit there waiting to ^C?
[09:45] <error_29> I just don't understand why linux, unlike windows, increases the boot time so drastically when not connected
[09:45] <heatxsink> anyone?
[09:46] <thoreauputic> error_29: because in linux, not being on the network is heresy ;-)
[09:46] <ompaul> error_29, read up on rc.d - it wants to be on a network it
[09:46] <ompaul> error_29, it is error_1 not to be on the network :)
[09:46] <error_29> and ompaul, my answer to the question you directed to kingjere is yes, DHCP is often not available
[09:46] <error_29> because I want to use my laptop as a laptop!
[09:47] <firdel> is it w32codecs i need to install to watch wmv files ?
[09:47] <niterider> hello
[09:47] <thoreauputic> firdel: yes
[09:47] <firdel> apt-get install w32codecs
[09:47] <firdel> ?
[09:48] <myumf> hello all
[09:48] <aquarius> Is there a known error with trying to install hoary from CD but using a wireless WEPped network?
[09:48] <BleSS> where get info about ups in /proc?
[09:48] <niterider> what is it i need to install exactly to optimize my install...i remember reading something about installing K7 kernel stuff...do i grab it all or just certain ones
[09:49] <ompaul> error_29, the machine boots by looking up services to start in rc* one of them is the one for dhclient -
[09:49] <akrabat> aquarius: gettign a WEP network connection during install doesn't work for me either
[09:49] <ompaul> error_29, you can remove it but if you do how are you going to start a network connection
[09:49] <njs12345> niterider: sudo apt-get install linux-k7
[09:49] <niterider> k..ty
[09:49] <aquarius> akrabat, ah...is there a bug about it? I can't find one.
[09:49] <ompaul> error_29, will dhclient do for you ?
[09:49] <error_29> yeah well that's the catch22 ompaul...
[09:50] <akrabat> aquarius: it claims that it can't find the  dhcp server...
[09:50] <akrabat> no idea
[09:50] <Sir_Peter_Maxwel> Greetings Peasants
[09:50] <aquarius> akrabat, yes. I suspect that this is because it's not actually setting the WEP key, since iwconfig in another VC shouws encryption off on that interface.
[09:50] <kingjere> Is there a way to shorten the timeout for DHCP on startup?
[09:50] <akrabat> aquarius: ah!
[09:51] <Teal`c_> hmm
[09:51] <akrabat> aquarius: I'm using a 10 digit hexadecimal key btw.
[09:51] <error_29> sorry, ompaul, I'm probably still too ignorant about networking and services to absorb much on the subject-- Im just wondering if there's some way maybe to shutdown with instructions for the next boot-up-- "don't look for network on next boot"
[09:51] <aquarius> akrabat, but I don't know how to set the WEP key with iwconfig: iwconfig eth1 key <wep key> throws a wobbler about Set Encode not being supported.
[09:51] <ompaul> error_29, go read a little on those subjects and you will know enough to get yourself into and out of trouble
[09:51] <Teal`c_> hmm
[09:51] <aquarius> akrabat, ah, mine's rather longer than that :)
[09:52] <hile> ompaul: remove auto eth0  from /ec/network/interfaces and bring it up down manually with ifup eth0 and ifdown eth0
[09:52] <akrabat> aquarius: so it's applying web keys in general that's the problem :)
[09:52] <ompaul> hile, that would work
[09:52] <aquarius> akrabat, I think so...
[09:52] <hile> of course you don't get netorking up in boot if you do that
[09:53] <jeff_> hey guys, does horay have a pdf viewer built in
[09:53] <usual> xpdf i think
[09:53] <ompaul> hile, would that stop the waiting for these people
[09:53] <hile> of course
[09:54] <hile> only that you don't get networking without manually sayingsudo ifup eth0
[09:54] <hile> which is usually just fine with a laptop
[09:55] <ompaul> hile well I get a little annoyed when the lappy does not get a network connection but that is me :)
[09:55] <error_29> someone should invent some kind of dummy network thing that would jump in and sort of pose as a network, just to satisfy the system, sort of fool it into thinking it's on a network
[09:56] <[DI] ender> all of the sudden my transparancy wont work
[09:56] <hile> for wired connection syou can also modify startup script and check for example with mii-tool if there is link, and only then run dhclient
[09:56] <usual> [DI] ender, in what????
[09:56] <hile> but, I haven't bothered because I use 99% wireless... gprs or wlan
[09:56] <ompaul> error_29,  how long do you think you wait?
[09:56] <nnn> hi
[09:56] <[DI] ender> usual, gnome
[09:56] <usual> [DI] ender, in what????
[09:56] <usual> terms? panels?
[09:56] <Albacker> how can I put a update my apt-get install list ? if I get fluxbox i get a very very old version
[09:57] <error_29> about 3 minutes, ompaul
[09:57] <[DI] ender> usual, panels, x-chat anything that uses it
[09:57] <thoreauputic> windows always told me "a network cable is unplugged", which I found both insulting and hilarious...
[09:57] <[DI] ender> terms as well
[09:57] <error_29> plus, it's trying to synch the clock to www.ubuntu whatever, half the time
[09:57] <usual> [DI] ender, that sucks :(
[09:57] <hile> error_29: that's called loopback network.... required by many programs and always configured in linux
[09:57] <[DI] ender> yeah
[09:57] <[DI] ender> i think it might be an update i just got
[09:58] <ompaul> error_29, lo0 is as essential as the kernel (well almost)
[09:58] <Herbstwind> evening all
[09:58] <ompaul> biab
[09:58] <error_29> also, if I mistakenly bootup with my network cable unplugged, just plugging it in won't get me on line (as with windows), I have to reboot.
[09:58] <hile> no way
[09:58] <error_29> anyway, thanks for the info guys
[09:58] <Herbstwind> I'm new to this channel and got some questions regarding ubuntu and running it on an older laptop
[09:59] <thoreauputic> Albacker: I can send you a recent version if you want one
[09:59] <hile> maybe you should learn to say ifup eth0 or ifdown eth0
[09:59] <ompaul> error_29, you can type dhclient and it will work
[09:59] <[DI] ender> Herbstwind, im running ubuntu on a 166 laptop
[09:59] <ompaul> error_29, with the sudo in there :)
[09:59] <error_29> cool, ompaul! thank you so much
[09:59] <hile> ompaul: no dhclient manually, ifup takes care of it
[09:59] <Herbstwind> well, its not that old ;) its a hp omnibook 6000
[09:59] <Stuttergart> I just upgraded a Debian box to Ubuntu and now I'm getting messages about not being able to authenticate packages when doing an apt-get.
[09:59] <hile> and if you have static config it will Do The Right Thing
[09:59] <[DI] ender> Herbstwind, haha okay
[09:59] <Stuttergart> Any ideas?
[09:59] <Herbstwind> i planed to install a multiboot with w2k and ubuntu
[10:00] <[DI] ender> did it not go as planned?
[10:00] <Herbstwind> but i'm not that a skilled linux user, so i wanted to ask first if this is a good decision for me
[10:00] <[DI] ender> im running winxp and ubuntu dual boot
[10:00] <Herbstwind> currently i'm downloading the livecd to learn more about the system
[10:00] <hile> and ifup is useful because it does not allow satarting multiple dhclients for example
[10:00] <[DI] ender> yeah thats a good idea
[10:01] <[DI] ender> i actually like ubuntu much better than windows
[10:01] <[DI] ender> i only use windows for work when i need dreamweaver
[10:01] <[DI] ender> otherwise im in ubuntu
[10:01] <Herbstwind> windows is a bitch, but it earns my salary ;)
[10:01] <[DI] ender> yeah exactly
[10:02] <kingjere> windows, whats that?
[10:02] <kingjere> kidding
[10:02] <Herbstwind> i do work as a programmer for a bank, and unfortunately windows, vb, ms-sql and excel are standards
[10:02] <farruinn> [DI] ender: have you tried using wine or something?
[10:02] <error_29> heh heh, a friend of mine used a -- whatchamacallit? kvm switch ? to switch between his windows and linux boxes and I was like, ohmygod, that's a fast boot! (i'd never seen a kvm swithch before)
[10:02] <thoreauputic> Albacker: I take it you aren't interested in a new deb of fluxbox 0.9.12 compiled on warty?
[10:02] <[DI] ender> farruinn, yeah man
[10:02] <[DI] ender> farruinn, i have dw 2004 mx
[10:03] <[DI] ender> farruinn,  isnt supported yet
[10:03] <farruinn> [DI] ender: ah
[10:03] <[DI] ender> farruinn, older versions work though
[10:03] <[DI] ender> farruinn,  sort of
[10:03] <Herbstwind> btw, as my english skills are a bit limited too, is there a german ubuntu channel somewhere?
[10:03] <mdblitz1> whats a good program to access a mysql server and make changes?
[10:03] <error_29> er, kvm , kdm?
[10:03] <[DI] ender> mdblitz1, pypmyadmin
[10:03] <mdblitz1> error_29: kvm
[10:03] <Rods_Tiger> what governs whether a mozilla firefox 'profile' is deemed to be 'in use'?
[10:03] <thoreauputic> Herbstwind: there's a #ubuntu-de I think
[10:03] <UdeS> German
[10:03] <UdeS>     * IRC: #ubuntu-de on irc.freenode.net.
[10:03] <UdeS>     * Mailing list: ubuntu-diskussion
[10:03] <UdeS>     * Forums: German Ubuntu users forum and Ubuntu-Forum.de
[10:03] <UdeS>     * Wiki dokumentation: Die GermanDocumentation wiki Seite
[10:03] <Herbstwind> thanks thore
[10:04] <mdblitz1> [DI] ender: the person who runs the server doesn't have phpmyadmin running
[10:04] <akrabat> mdblitz1, try mysql's query browser
[10:04] <amittp> does ubuntu linux have any issues while doing smart-upgrade for all packages after installation?
[10:04] <[DI] ender> mdblitz1, brb
[10:04] <amittp> is it wise to do so?
[10:04] <djp> how easy is it to install fluxbox under warty? is it just a matter of downloading the .deb file or are there loads of dependencies also needed? the reason i ask is that i want t o put fluxbox on my sons PC, however, he has no interent connection on his box and therefore i will need to download flux on my system and then copy it over by CD to his...
[10:04] <farruinn> amittp: I just installed hoary preview and it upgraded fine..
[10:04] <thoreauputic> amittp: not usually, no
[10:04] <akrabat> Rods_Tiger, I think there's  a "lock" file in the profile directory
[10:04] <mdblitz1> akrabat: I'm trying but it needs sooo many different packages that aren't installed before it'll compile
[10:04] <Herbstwind> i allready love ubuntu, the livecd download has 247KB/s, which makes my E-penis much larger i think...
[10:04] <Rods_Tiger> akrabat, aha - thanks
[10:05] <farruinn> djp: apt-cache show fluxbox
[10:05] <akrabat> mdblitz1, compile? doesn't apt-get work for you ?
[10:05] <akrabat> mdblitz1, I'm sure I saw it in synaptic... maybe in universe
[10:05] <farruinn> djp: I mean 'apt-cache show fluxbox | grep Depends' will show you what it depends on
[10:05] <djp> faruinn: thanks! you learn something new... ;)
[10:05] <thoreauputic> djp: I can give you a link to my deb of 0.9.12 if you wish
[10:05] <amittp> thoreauputic, so just leave them as it?
[10:06] <Rods_Tiger> ah. How do I build my locate db again?
[10:06] <mdblitz1> heh, oh.. I didn't know it was in there
[10:06] <farruinn> Rods_Tiger: sudo updatedb
[10:06] <djp> thoreauputic: please!
[10:06] <Rods_Tiger> cheers
[10:06] <amittp> Rods_Tiger, updatedb
[10:06] <thoreauputic> djp: OK hang on a minute
[10:06] <Rods_Tiger> I have to actually touch /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db: to create it?
[10:07] <Rods_Tiger> yep, we're in. Off it goes.
[10:07] <thoreauputic> djp: http://interlink.webhop.org/fluxbox-0.9.12_0.9.12-1_i386.deb
[10:07] <[DI] ender> ahh
[10:07] <[DI] ender> fluxbox
[10:08] <djp> thoreauputic: thanks for that...
[10:08] <thoreauputic> djp: compiled on warty and packaged with checkinstall
[10:08] <[DI] ender> when is hoary going to be released
[10:08] <mdblitz1> akrabat: I didn't see it in there
[10:08] <thoreauputic> djp: you're welcome :)
[10:08] <Anubis> whats the cmd to start gtk-gnutella?
[10:08] <djp> thoreauputic: what does the 'check install' do?
[10:08] <Anubis> it installs
[10:08] <Anubis> but gtk-gnutella does not start it
[10:09] <Anubis> and I can't find a cmd for it
[10:09] <farruinn> Anubis: dpkg -L gtk-gnutella | grep bin
[10:09] <thoreauputic> djp: it's a substitute for "make install" that makes a deb and installs it in /usr/local
[10:09] <farruinn> Anubis: that should show you all the programs it installed
[10:09] <Anubis> The ubunuguides LimeWire bin download is old, and Limewire does not seem ot offer a bin or deb just an rpm
[10:09] <Anubis> I took the rpm and used alien to convert it to a deb
[10:09] <Anubis> but that does not install either
[10:10] <thoreauputic> djp: sudo apt-get install checkinstall :)
[10:10] <djp> thoreauputic: ok, so a nice and easy install then! i suppose i will need to ckeck out fluxbox dependencies as well though...
[10:11] <thoreauputic> djp: I think you'll find the deb will just install
[10:11] <thoreauputic> djp: sudo dpkg -i
[10:11] <thoreauputic> djp: flux has very few dependencies
[10:12] <ryan450> hey gang
[10:12] <ryan450> any networking people in here? looking for the command that will let me get an ip address from my router
[10:12] <Hell-Razor> ifconfig
[10:12] <ryan450> hard wired right now, trying to get my wireless card an ip
[10:12] <djp> thoreauputic: ok, great! and then i just need to create the .xsession file in my home folder and insert the following, "gnome-settings-daemon & exec fluxbox"?
[10:13] <thoreauputic> djp: that should work fine, yes
[10:13] <ryan450> ifconfig only brings up the status, I need to know how to give my cards an ip address when they dont auto get one
[10:13] <Hell-Razor> guys i just did an apt-get dist-upgrade for upgrading to hoary
[10:13] <Hell-Razor> what do i need to do next
[10:13] <jintxo> hey guys, can you recommend a nice music player on ubuntu (nice for me means that it supports id3 tags and auto-updates tha list of songs in your library if it changes, maybe). rythmbox seems too quircky for everyday use and I'm not sure it's reading the id3 tags all of the time
[10:14] <djp> thoreauputic: i gather that fluxbox will make ubuntu run a hell of a lot faster on a 233mhz 64mb ram machine right?
[10:14] <UdeS> hell-razor
[10:14] <Hell-Razor> djp yes it will
[10:14] <Hell-Razor> UdeS, yes?
[10:14] <thoreauputic> djp: oh, I think so :)
[10:14] <UdeS> what happened next?
[10:14] <ryan450> ifconfig ath0 up gives me the details, but it never gives me an ipaddress.. and yes the card is configured from iwconfig, but its not getting an ip address
[10:14] <demha> p;#
[10:14] <Marble2> Okay, this is probably a stupid question, but is there a way I can get a program to grab infornmation and display it on my desktop? Like Samurize in windows. I want to show maybe cpu usage, what song is playing in amarok, stuff like that
[10:14] <Hell-Razor> UdeS, i want to know what i do
[10:14] <UdeS> to upgarde
[10:15] <UdeS> upgrade?
[10:15] <Hell-Razor> UdeS, yes
[10:15] <djp> thoreauputic: thanks for all the advice
[10:15] <thoreauputic> djp: have you managed to install on that machine? sounds quite low-end for ubuntu ?
[10:15] <kent> jdub, is there any chanse you might make a the human theme in diffrent colorschemes? like, perhaps a blue, black, etc?
[10:15] <preglow> is the hoary nvidia x module funtioning today?
[10:16] <farruinn> kent: I doubt that's going to happen
[10:16] <[DI] ender> preglow, works for me
[10:16] <Hell-Razor> has anybody here upgraded from warty to hoary? i need some questions asnwered before i reboot
[10:16] <djp> thoreauputic: yes installed and runs! had to edit the XF86Config-4 file to get a desktop and sound is still not working but it works!
[10:16] <gabaug> on Hoary, usb drives et al are no longer automatically recognized when plugged in
[10:16] <[DI] ender> gabaug, thats not true
[10:16] <farruinn> kent: just use the default industrial (warty) or clearlooks (hoary) theme
[10:16] <gabaug> on login to Gnome, I get "HAL: failed to initialize"
[10:16] <ryan450> any networking guru's in here running off an athero's based wireless card? mind giving me a PM?
[10:16] <gabaug> [DI] ender: excuse me?
[10:16] <Hell-Razor> has anybody here upgraded from warty to hoary? i need some questions asnwered before i reboot
[10:16] <Marble2> anyone?
[10:16] <[DI] ender> gabaug, it works for me
[10:16] <thoreauputic> djp: I'm impressed! I have a p200 64MB RAm, but it runs Debian woody+fluxbox
[10:16] <djp> thoreauputic: i believe i can solve my sound troubles here though, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems
[10:17] <gabaug> [DI] ender: I can assure you it's broken on my machine ... though probably my own fault
[10:17] <thoreauputic> djp: sounds like you have things under control ;-)
[10:17] <[DI] ender> gabaug, yeah, it recognizes my usb flash drive and autmounts and displays it in gnome
[10:17] <djp> thoreauputic: sound card is an ess audiodrive so i'm hoping that wiki page will help me sort out the dead sound...
[10:17] <netzmeister> hello, does anybody use the ABIT AV8 Mainboard ?
[10:18] <thoreauputic> right
[10:18] <gabaug> I installed CVS dbus at one point, though it's long gone now, but I think it messed up my settings...anybody know how to reset all dbus/hal related configs/files?
[10:18] <gabaug> I've tried reinstalling with force overwrites both of them
[10:18] <thoreauputic> netzmeister: no, no-one ever uses it, sorry ;-)
[10:18] <thoreauputic> j/k
[10:18] <ryan450> anybody know how to get an ip address from a wireless card using ifconfig? I got the card configured, but it doesnt look like it wants to grab an ip address, any way i can give it a command to scan/try the DHCP server again?
[10:18] <djp> thoreauputic: well fluxbox will be the great salvation if i do get it working! sound is not as important as speed at the moment!
[10:19] <[DI] ender> ryan450, assuming you actually have correct modules etc for your card, iwconfig is useful
[10:19] <netzmeister> thoreauputic: ???
[10:19] <mdblitz1> has anyone been able to install mysql-query-browser?
[10:20] <thoreauputic> djp: the recent fluxboxes like this one have eye-candy like transparency etc for menus - for maximum speed don't use the alpha transparency features
[10:20] <thoreauputic> netzmeister: sorry, I was joking
[10:20] <Hell-Razor> god fucking damnit. Somebody please help me out with upgrading to hoary..I do not want to fuck up my install!
[10:20] <firdel> thoreauputic, whats the exact command to get the win32 codecs, i cant get it right
[10:21] <thoreauputic> Hell-Razor: well, that's a good opening from a PR viewpoint...
[10:21] <gabaug> Hell-Razor: I upgraded easily
[10:21] <netzmeister> thoreauputic: Oh,k sry i'm german my english is ..... :-(
[10:21] <Hell-Razor> thoreauputic, pr?
[10:21] <gabaug> Hell-Razor: simply change "warty" to "hoary" at all places in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:21] <HillTop> gabaug, you may have to change fstab. I had to.
[10:21] <Hell-Razor> gabaug, is there a how-to on the internet for it? because ive been looking all over, so far no luck
[10:21] <thoreauputic> firdel: I think it's sudo apt-get install w32codecs   - but that's from memory
[10:21] <Hell-Razor> gabaug, and isnt xorg suposed to be installed? i do not have it
[10:22] <firdel> ok
[10:22] <gabaug> HillTop: hmm...you think that might be causing the "HAL: failed to initialize"? or just the lack of automounting?
[10:22] <firdel> nope
[10:22] <gabaug> Hell-Razor: um, I think it's really that easy, just switch warty->hoary....I think xorg will be automatically installed when you upgrade...it's not the default for warty but is for hoary
[10:23] <blizah> any programs in apt-get (warty ) that i can use to scan my ports to see which are open?
[10:23] <error_29> Hell-Razor, it was idiot-proof for me using Synaptic, but maybe you have special needs...
[10:23] <Hell-Razor> gabaug, yes i did that, but xorg is not installed....what i did was edit the source list, do apt-get upgrade, apt-get update, apt-get dis-upgrade, now xorg is not installed
[10:23] <tizen> blizah: nmap
[10:23] <thoreauputic> firdel: you need the nerim repositories I think
[10:23] <blizah> tizen thnx you
[10:23] <tizen> blizah: np
[10:24] <Hell-Razor> error_29, well dont be a dick, how did yuo know what to upgrade and where
[10:24] <thoreauputic> Hell-Razor: what does   X -version say ?
[10:24] <gabaug> Hell-Razor: well those commands won't do it for you :)
[10:24] <Hell-Razor> OS Kernel: Linux version 2.6.8.1-5-386 (buildd@terranova) (gcc version 3.3.4 (Debian 1:3.3.4-9ubuntu5)) #1 Sat Feb 12 00:19:31 UTC 2005 T
[10:24] <HillTop> gabaug, in consol    $ cat /etc/fstab   see: /dev/sda1 /mnt/removable auto users,owner,rw,umask=000 0 0
[10:24] <Hell-Razor> gabaug, well wtf do i do then, im clueless
[10:25] <thoreauputic> Hell-Razor: that isn't the output of X -version
[10:25] <demian> okay that worked....
[10:25] <demian> :D
[10:25] <Hell-Razor> thoreauputic, oh oops...lol um
[10:25] <Hell-Razor> thoreauputic, i need to nopaste it
[10:26] <usuario> how can i get my "Creative ViBRA16X PnP" running on ubuntu?
[10:26] <thoreauputic> Hell-Razor: you need to look where it says something like xfree or whatever - xorg is 6.8 something I think
[10:26] <thoreauputic> Hell-Razor: don't paste all of it, please
[10:27] <firdel> thoreauputic, whats that?
[10:27] <thoreauputic> firdel: sorry?
[10:27] <firdel> firdel: you need the nerim repositories I think
[10:27] <Hell-Razor> thoreauputic, it says X Window System Version 6.8.2, and X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 6.8.2
[10:27] <blizah> tizen, nmap returned nmap and namap (the front end)    --whats the front end part mean?
[10:28] <Hell-Razor> thoreauputic, http://rafb.net/paste/results/2oMP7U62.html
[10:28] <tizen> blizah: I dunno, i use nmap alone from commandline
[10:28] <blizah> err nmapfe
[10:28] <thoreauputic> firdel: ah - to get the win codecs - see the restricted fromats page on th ewiki
[10:28] <thoreauputic> the wiki
[10:28] <blizah> front end = gui , maybe?
[10:28] <firdel> ok
[10:28] <thoreauputic> Hell-Razor: OK looking
[10:28] <heatxsink> blizah, long options
[10:28] <tizen> blizah: another option for you is 'lsof'
[10:28] <tizen> since it's local
[10:28] <blizah> k
[10:28] <tizen> you can run 'lsof -i' from commandline
[10:29] <tizen> and it'll show you all ports open
[10:29] <thoreauputic> Hell-Razor: you have xorg
[10:29] <tizen> and what program is using them
[10:29] <thoreauputic> Hell-Razor: Release 6.8.2 is xorg
[10:29] <Hell-Razor> thoreauputic, alright...am i safe for a reboot?
[10:29] <thoreauputic> sure
[10:29] <Hell-Razor> thoreauputic, one thing i dont understand...i dont have synaptic anymore
[10:29] <thoreauputic> Hell-Razor: assuming you want to reboot
[10:30] <Hell-Razor> thoreauputic, i want to make sure everything is installed correctly
[10:30] <thoreauputic> Hell-Razor: I think there's an update app - I'm on warty
[10:30] <ompaul> re
[10:30] <thoreauputic> Hell-Razor: ask what other hoary people have then
[10:31] <Marble2> using lsof, how do i print the results to a file
[10:31] <tizen> Marble2: lsof -i >> <file name> ?
[10:31] <thoreauputic> Marble2: lsof > filename.txt
[10:31] <Hell-Razor> Hey guys, does anybody have synaptic that is running hoary?
[10:31] <Marble2> thanks
[10:31] <tizen> Hell-Razor: i do
[10:31] <error_29> Hell-Razor, at risk of being called a dick, Synaptic got a major overhaul i believe, in the upgrade to hoary, and probably wants at least a log out till you see the new version.
[10:31] <Hell-Razor> tizen, hrm i fubared something
[10:32] <pseudo> Hey there guys. I've noticed a weird issue where when the default sound "esd?" starts up ... my other stuff like totem-xine and flash will not have sound, I have to turn it off, then back on again for both to play nice, nay ideas on this?
[10:32] <pseudo> or how to get them to play with eachother
[10:32] <tizen> Hell-Razor: try a restart and see if it comes back
[10:32] <Hell-Razor> tizen, but what if i cannot get my machine back up?
[10:32] <pseudo> is there a way to pipe the audio fom one device to another?
[10:32] <tizen> Hell-Razor: I don't know if you have a lot of options.. You deal with that if it happens
[10:33] <djp> ahhh, luverly!
[10:33] <tizen> Hell-Razor: if you've just updated the system, i have a hard time believing it won't come bacl
[10:33] <tizen> back
[10:34] <tck> have a little issue
[10:34] <tck> desktop sounds were working and since reboot don't work
[10:34] <tck> any suggestions ?
[10:34] <tizen> tck: other sounds working?
[10:35] <tck> well , music file etc.. yes
[10:35] <tck> i've tried, 'speaker-test' and 'alsamixer'
[10:35] <tizen> i really don't know
[10:35] <tizen> anyone else have an idea
[10:36] <tizen> i have just started to get to know linux as having a GUI and sound
[10:36] <tizen> lol
[10:36] <membreya> hooray..new kernel AND nvidia's working :D
[10:36] <ompaul> tck you could consider checking other values in the alsamixer - things like pcm and so on
[10:37] <fc9k> can anyone help me?
[10:37] <tck> im gonna hire some up and try 'alsactl save'
[10:37] <tck> need reboot
[10:37] <tck> brb
[10:37] <fc9k> i have ubuntu running on a p3 system.  i pulled the gfx card earlier and replaced it with a tnt2.  when i turned it on again, X wouldnt start
[10:37] <fc9k> any ideas of where to go from here?
[10:38] <Marble2> where is the location of printers in ubuntu?
[10:38] <Myrtti> well, because your x configuration file still thinks you have the old graphics card, reconfiguring it would be the next logical step
[10:38] <LinuxJones> fc9k, set your video driver to vesa in your config file
[10:38] <fc9k> someone suggested i get nvidia-glx, but when i apt-get it it says its obsolete/missing
[10:38] <fc9k> how?
[10:38] <fc9k> < noob
[10:38] <jack|h> pseudo: I'm seeing the same thing.  It keeps saying that Alsa is busy.
[10:38] <geppy> Is there a fix for the window list truncation in Hoary?
[10:39] <LinuxJones> fc9k, sudo gedit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[10:39] <LinuxJones> fc9k, sorry nano  /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[10:39] <Anubis> gtk-gnutella
[10:39] <error_29> folks, does anyone know how I can get my laptop to boot from cd?  It's set to do so in bios, but
[10:39] <Anubis> is unstable for Ubuntu hoary
[10:39] <error_29> Grub takes over no matter what
[10:39] <tizen> LinuxJones:  or... sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:40] <ompaul> Marble2, if you are using gnome if you go into advanced in gnome-control-centre you can poke around with printers
[10:40] <LinuxJones> tizen, I am jsut assuming he's on warty
[10:40] <tizen> LinuxJones: oh, ok. sorry
[10:40] <error_29> is there a way to prevent Grub from starting so  the machine can boot the cd?
[10:40] <munki> argh.. can't get ndiswrapper to find my wlan access point :S
[10:40] <jeff_> error_29, you need to set your bios
[10:40] <ompaul> error_29, if you tell the bios that it should boot of the CD then grub should not be activated
[10:40] <JDahl> error_29, you can change boot order in the BIOS..
[10:40] <jeff_> to boot form cd first
[10:41] <error_29> jeff, ompaul, as i said, I did that.  It's always set that way in the bios
[10:41] <dizzie> munki :)~
[10:41] <error_29> but still won't look at cd before grub
[10:42] <error_29> hell, maybe I burned the disk wrong...
[10:42] <error_29> anyway, my cdrom seems flaky in general
[10:42] <ompaul> error_29, is it seeking the disk at before you condemn the disk?
[10:42] <ompaul> error_29, the word at should not be in that last line
[10:43] <error_29> ompaul, I'm not sure what you mean... the computer just seems to ignore the disk
[10:43] <ompaul> during boot up does it appear to pause to look at the CD ?
[10:43] <jeff_> how do you guys feel about xandros
[10:43] <jeff_> desktop os
[10:43] <error_29> nope. just ignores it.  It's a hoary install disk, I may have burned it wrong.
[10:44] <thoreauputic> jeff_: uninterested :)
[10:44] <ompaul> jeff_, like wot he said
[10:44] <error_29> I'll check with a windows disk, thanks ompaul...
[10:44] <thoreauputic> jeff_: that's a bit dismissive - actually it looks pretty slick
[10:44] <jeff_> yea it seems to be pretty nice
[10:44] <thoreauputic> jeff_: but I would prefer Ubuntu for a number of reasons
[10:44] <jeff_> i mean for a linux newbie
[10:44] <jeff_> whys this
[10:44] <Ribs> It's personal preference, innit
[10:45] <thoreauputic> jeff_: well, freedom
[10:45] <Ribs> Xandros use a lot closed-source stuff, dont they?
[10:45] <Ribs> given the choice, for the newbie (or the very lazy, a la, ME!), I would choose Mandrake
[10:46] <membreya> if I want to put a script into startup, do I just copy the file to /etc/init.d?
[10:46] <ompaul> jeff_, it or lindows for a beginner apt is their friend - but to be honest closed source stuff is like closed hardware not something I would advocate
[10:46] <thoreauputic> jeff_: Xandros is based on debian, but uses a lot of stuff that I can't look at in source code, or compile
[10:46] <depy> Hello to anybody :D
[10:46] <JDahl> Ribs, what things are easier in Mandrake than in Ubuntu? my question is not flamebait - I just dont know much about redhat/mandrake
[10:46] <pseudo> anyone else experienced that sound issue, and figured out a fix?
[10:46] <jeff_> yea you actually have to buy it to get the full blown version
[10:46] <ompaul> Ribs, that is just cruel teaching them rpm stuff when they need apt :)
[10:47] <thoreauputic> JDahl: probably the GUI config tools are more mature in MAndrake
[10:47] <depy> i need help with AMD64 with MSI nVidia nForce 3 motherbord. Who can help me?
[10:47] <pseudo> again: when esd is running non esd sound apps will not, disabling fixes, reenabling, the both play nice togather.
[10:47] <membreya> depy: what's wrong ?
[10:47] <thoreauputic> jeff_: if you buy it, you limit what you can do later
[10:48] <depy> Thanks membreya,  when i try to install cannot detect the network card...
[10:48] <depy> :(
[10:48] <thoreauputic> jeff_: I have no objection to the cost, but mandrake or libranet are open source even though they cost money
[10:48] <thoreauputic> for the full set that is...
[10:49] <jeff_> yea i was gonna steal it off bit torrent
[10:49] <jeff_> lol
[10:49] <JDahl> thoreauputic, If new users would just spend 5 minutes reading a FAQ about apt-get and sources.list, this forum would be obsolete... maybe a show intro first time you log on to Ubuntu wouldnt be bad
[10:49] <jeff_>  :(
[10:49] <membreya> depy: what version of hoary are you using?
[10:49] <JDahl> s/show/short/
[10:49] <membreya> are you using the onboard network card?
[10:49] <thoreauputic> JDahl: yes, I think that would be good too
[10:49] <HillTop> error_29,   Have you heard of Smart Boot Manager -- lets you boot from floppy then select drive/partition to boot to  from there. It is native Intel code, not of any OS.
[10:50] <jeff_> how do i incress the resoultion of my xwindows
[10:50] <depy> i was instlling the 4.10 version, now i',m downloading the hoary preview. so you think it resolv my problem?
[10:50] <JDahl> thoreauputic, they could even make an "apt-get" wallpaper, sort of like a quick reference sheet :P
[10:50] <ompaul> depy, it might there is more stuff in there
[10:50] <membreya> depy: try doing a modprobe forcedeth
[10:50] <thoreauputic> jeff_: don't go over to the Dark Side, Luke! ;-)
[10:50] <membreya> morning thoreauputic :)
[10:51] <jeff_> lol im not i love my unbutu
[10:51] <depy> The netcard isa a nVidia nForce Network Card
[10:51] <cg> what is the command to see all the information about hardware and the installed kernel version??
[10:51] <jeff_> just as a favor for a freind
[10:51] <membreya> depy: read the above :)
[10:51] <thoreauputic> JDahl: they wouldn't - it would have to be synaptic ( that's the idea of "just works")
[10:51] <jeff_> but how do i change the resoultion in x windows
[10:51] <membreya> cg dmesg :)
[10:51] <thoreauputic> membreya: hi there :)
[10:51] <depy> cg dmesg
[10:51] <membreya> thoreauputic: surprised you didn't answer my totally n00b question
[10:51] <djp> JDahl: ...or grab a copy of Linux in a Nutshell from O'Reilly! bought for my bday and a life-saver!
[10:51] <cg> thanks
[10:52] <vidar_> Hi there! i have a wierd problem with my wlan. If i boot into kernel 2.6.10-4, the wlan card shows up in device manager, but not in network-admin, but if i boot into 2.6.8.1-3 it works fine. anyone know what the problem is?
[10:52] <error_29> ompaul, thanks for your help.  Windows disk boots alright; i just must have messed up the hoary cd.
[10:52] <thoreauputic> membreya: ? maybe I missed it?
[10:52] <depy> sotty membraya i'm new to IRC channel :-S
[10:52] <membreya> that's cool depy :)
[10:52] <membreya> just do a modprobe forcedeth depy
[10:52] <JDahl> djp, certainly useful to know, but doesnt cover Debian/Ubuntu specifics, does it?
[10:52] <membreya> thoreauputic: it was if I have a script that I want to start when I boot, do I put it into /etc/init.d ?
[10:53] <ompaul> error_29, well now you know it is suspect what are you going to do?
[10:53] <depy> ok i try but just to knwo what does the modprob forcedeth?
[10:53] <Tux-Rox> Is anyone seeing issues with the update servers for hoary? I'm getting connection speeds as low as <1Kbs and no faster than 10Kbs...
[10:53] <thoreauputic> membreya: ah - /etc/init.d yes - then use update-rc.d to link it
[10:53] <error_29> I'll burn with nero next time, ompaul! :-)
[10:53] <membreya> modprobe depy :) it's loading the module for the network card
[10:53] <membreya> ta thoreauputic :) and of course chmod +x it :P
[10:53] <thoreauputic> membreya: yes -
[10:53] <ompaul> Tux-Rox, the bittorrent is missing I guess it is one of the kick backs of being popular
[10:54] <thoreauputic> membreya: hehe -  man update-rc.d
[10:54] <djp> JDahl: has a section dedicated to Debian Package Managers
[10:54] <thoreauputic> membreya: rtfm!
[10:54] <membreya> bugger thoreauputic was just about to ask :P
[10:54] <thoreauputic> ;)
[10:54] <ompaul> error_29, or ask someone who runs linux that you know to burn it for you
[10:54] <Tux-Rox> ompaul, So it's just slow for eveyone right now I assume then. That sucks....
[10:54] <thoreauputic> membreya: I think you can work it out, mate :)
[10:55] <depy> membreya: ok i will try the modprobe, bu now i must restard the computer :( ;)
[10:55] <HillTop> error_29,   Have you heard of Smart Boot Manager -- lets you boot from floppy then select drive/partition to boot to  from there. It is native Intel code, not of any OS.
[10:55] <error_29> ompaul, I think I have some cd-rom gremlin in this machine anyway; only ubuntu warty install and windows have ever made it through an installation; all other debian based distros flake out half way through
[10:55] <ompaul> Tux-Rox, I got both live and install eariler today each at 50% of my dsl
[10:55] <ryan450> any networking guru's in here? trying to get an ip address for my wireless card with encryption.. I have gotten it to work under knoppix linux by bringing the interface up with ifconfig ath0 up, followed by a pump -i ath0 to get my ip address, when I try pump -i ath0 I get command not found
[10:55] <membreya> depy: you don't need to restart
[10:55] <ompaul> error_29,  maybe it is time to look at the hardware :)
[10:55] <membreya> unless you're not in linux right now :P
[10:56] <membreya> thoreauputic: sudo update-rc.d food defaults...how hard was that to say :P
[10:56] <membreya> food = foo :|
[10:56] <membreya> damn graveyard :|
[10:56] <Marble2> How can I add/remove stuff from Applications -> Sound and Video?
[10:56] <error_29> HillTop, thanks for the tip -- I may use that for my desktop box; i don't have a floppy drive for this laptop
[10:56] <membreya> speaking of damn graveyard thoreauputic ..read a good book at work last nite :)
[10:56] <depy> membraya: oops, i'm using windows xp now :/
[10:56] <membreya> lol well just write down "sudo modprobe forcedeth" depy :)
[10:56] <thoreauputic> membreya: ah, but it's so long since I typed RTFM ! ;P
[10:56] <kent> Marble2, go develop a menueditor for Gnome?   We dont have one right now :(
[10:56] <error_29> thoreauputic, stop *fiddling* with my burning issues
[10:57] <error_29> but yes, please send me to Rome
[10:57] <error_29> ;-)
[10:57] <NmBlePenGuN> Marble2: or right clic on the icon you want to remove, then delete
[10:57] <HillTop> error_29,   http://btmgr.webframe.org/      == Smart Boot Manager
[10:57] <depy> error_29: are you italian? me tto...
[10:57] <membreya> Marble2: & kent: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=77243
[10:57] <ompaul> thoreauputic, that was like -99 points on your ubuntu scale but when taken with the fact you said it to membreya well that mitigates it with a +98 :)
[10:57] <membreya> heeeey! no ganging up ompaul :P
[10:57] <thoreauputic> ompaul: haha
[10:58] <ompaul> membreya, :)
[10:58] <error_29> nope depy, I'm not
[10:58] <thoreauputic> ompaul: membreya and I have an understanding I think ;)
[10:58] <Marble2> kent: that sucks
[10:58] <ompaul> I know this therefore I think that I got away with thaty
[10:58] <membreya> thoreauputic: ...I would have thought with being up this early all the time that you would have 5 minutes a day to spare for personal grooming :P
[10:59] <error_29> You know what would be cool, if I could maybe boot from a usb key or something-- I'll have to google this.  Thanks HillTop, ompaul
[10:59] <ompaul> error_29, enjoy your visit to the land of google
[10:59] <thoreauputic> membreya: well, I'm making a personal microbiological study of what happens if you fail to shower for  a few months ...
[11:00] <membreya> damn you thoreauputic ....don't you know we cannot play god!
[11:00] <thoreauputic> think of the microbes!
[11:00] <ompaul> how cultured of you
[11:00] <error_29> heh heh, "cultured", very good...
[11:01] <thoreauputic> oh dear - the puns are flying today!
[11:01] <membreya> think you're soooo damn punny don't you ompaul
[11:01] <ompaul> trez punny in fact :)
[11:01] <error_29> ever notice how dirty laundry smells clean again after about four months piled in a heap?
[11:02] <ompaul> error_29, no
[11:02] <membreya> error_29: that's because you become de-sensitised
[11:02] <membreya> :|
[11:02] <membreya> sp adam..sp
[11:05] <error_29> all right, I'm off to the store to blow my wad on an hp laptop with amd64.  Unless I sober up before I get there.  See you folks
[11:05] <thoreauputic> membreya: no, it's because the cockroaches clean the clothes for you ;)
[11:06] <membreya> cockroaches and I had a falling out :( we argued over the scraps of food left around
[11:06] <membreya> ewww hp
[11:06] <membreya> but amd64 :D
[11:07] <membreya> funnel web? in sydney ompaul ?
[11:07] <ompaul> I was
[11:07] <ompaul> north of hornsby south of brooklyn
[11:07] <ompaul> berowera - not the heights or the waters
[11:08] <ompaul> not a red back
[11:08] <spiral> hi
[11:08] <Lemonzest> how is 32bit compatabilty in 64bit horey?
[11:08] <ompaul> hello
[11:08] <Lemonzest> any chance of a gui for making a chroot32?
[11:08] <membreya> Lemonzest: that depends :)
[11:09] <membreya> if you compile the program for 64 bit it's fine :P
[11:09] <membreya> otherwise chroot it
[11:09] <membreya> damn you nautilus..noone gave you permission to change my wallpaper!
[11:09] <Lemonzest> any guides i can reed for chrooting?
[11:09] <ompaul> membreya, ahh vic - I have only been in nsw and fnq
[11:10] <ompaul> saw a tipan
[11:10] <membreya> heh...fnq :P
[11:10] <tck> ok
[11:10] <dampjam> Anybody here setup bluetooth on hoary yet?
[11:10] <ompaul> membreya, well I started off in cairns and went north
[11:10] <tck> still can't get 'desktop sounds' working :(
[11:11] <membreya> woulda been hell on earth for a european ompaul :P
[11:11] <ompaul> membreya, well I am a paddy
[11:11] <membreya> you lot breed good drinkers :P
[11:12] <Lemonzest> got my amd64 rig built and used the latest daily live, i must say clearlooks is great
[11:12] <ompaul> membreya, and I was drinking a lot of water, one (1.5l) bottle for the top of my head and the other one for inside me
[11:12] <fc9k> woo i fixed it :_
[11:12] <fc9k> :)
[11:13] <ompaul> fc9k, enjoy
[11:15] <membreya> hmmm any problems with anyone running 2.6.11?
[11:15] <confrey> hi everybody
[11:15] <[Spooky] > Hello what is the command too set a su password im blacked out here :/
[11:16] <hone> su -s
[11:16] <scizzo> [Spooky] : root does not have a password default
[11:16] <hone> then passwd
[11:16] <confrey> can anybody help me? my laptop sleep, but I don't know how to resume it
[11:16] <hone> confrey, depends on hte laptop, if you're using apm/acpi
[11:16] <scizzo> [Spooky] : sudo is being used in ubuntu
[11:16] <[Spooky] > i now
[11:16] <[Spooky] > *know
[11:16] <hone> [Spooky] , su -s
[11:16] <hone> [Spooky] , thne passwd
[11:16] <[Spooky] > is is sudo pawwd ?
[11:16] <Lemonzest> any guide's for chrooting 32bit apps?
[11:16] <hone> if you want t ose tit
[11:16] <[Spooky] > aha
[11:17] <confrey> hone, acpi; I can sleep it with echo 3 >/proc/acpi/sleep
[11:17] <hone> [Spooky] , err sudo -s
[11:17] <ompaul> [Spooky] ,  - > sudo su - < - is the command with the -
[11:17] <hone> [Spooky] , will log you in as root
[11:17] <hone> [Spooky] , I think
[11:17] <confrey> but I can't resume after that;
[11:17] <blizah> is it a bad idea to download the newe gaim nad install (in warty)?  will this break the synaptic update and stuff?
[11:18] <membreya> blizah: 1.1.4 should be in your repo's for synaptic
[11:18] <meskes> blizah: you would want to apt-pin for that.
[11:18] <meskes> If you want to *bleeding* edge
[11:19] <thoreauputic> membreya: not in warty
[11:19] <membreya> damn warty
[11:19] <membreya> when will it die
[11:19] <membreya> thoreauputic: ....think I should change to 2.6.11...you know of any major problems with that kernel?
[11:19] <zorba64> ina nother 12 months
[11:19] <thoreauputic> membreya: very much alive here :)
[11:19] <FAT_Toni> why you use ubuntu??
[11:20] <confrey> and how can I set th cpu frequency? powernow adjust it automatically, from 800 MHz to 1.6 GHz, I'd like to set it to 400 MHz (like in windows) to silent the fan
[11:20] <zorba64> cos i like it
[11:20] <thoreauputic> membreya: no, I don't know really - some people have had nvidia issues I think
[11:20] <membreya> confrey: sudo apt-get install cpufreqd
[11:20] <[Spooky] > FAT_Toni: cause its the best OS ?
[11:20] <membreya> and then add the applet confrey
[11:20] <confrey> membreya, but I have powernowd yet, can't I use it?
[11:21] <FAT_Toni> why is it better than debian?
[11:21] <scizzo> [Spooky] : s/OS/Distribution/g
[11:21] <meskes> FAT_Toni: the politics in debian suck
[11:21] <scizzo> FAT_Toni: the question is....have you read and tried it?
[11:21] <membreya> confrey: cpufreqd allows you to change your frequency
[11:21] <confrey> FAT_Toni, ubuntu better than debian, it's only your opinion
[11:21] <ompaul> "In Windows you can do everything Microsoft wants you to do; in Unix you can do anything the computer is able to do." <-- a .sig on debian mailing list
[11:21] <thoreauputic> FAT_Toni: use Debian if you prefer - I use both
[11:22] <zorba64> it wouldn't exist without debian, why does it have to be better or worse, just different
[11:22] <[Spooky] > scizzo: sorry... i meant distro :)
[11:22] <fc9k> guys
[11:22] <fc9k> i have firefox, obviously comes with ubuntu
[11:22] <fc9k> its only version 0.9.3 or something
[11:22] <meskes> Hell, I use Debian in my servers and Gentoo and Ubuntu on my desktop
[11:22] <fc9k> how do i go about getting the latest version#?
[11:23] <FAT_Toni> i am interessted in ubuntu so i think you can tell me why it is better
[11:23] <zorba64> fc9k you can try the backports, down load and install it, or dist-upgrade to hoary
[11:23] <scizzo> FAT_Toni: if you go to www.ubuntulinux.org and start to read about what is different then maybe you will understand
[11:23] <thoreauputic> fc9k: you can either update to the hoary baranch, or get the binary from mozilla.org
[11:23] <thoreauputic> *branch
[11:23] <ompaul> where can I get more info on pin?
[11:23] <confrey> membreya, I must remove powernow to install cpufreqd; is there another way to set freq?
[11:23] <fc9k> is hoary stable now?
[11:23] <thoreauputic> ompaul: hmm - debian apt-get howto?
[11:23] <zenwhen> yes
[11:23] <fc9k> cool
[11:24] <scizzo> FAT_Toni: the thing is.... _you_ don't know if it is better unless you try it...or am I wrong?
[11:24] <geppy> fc9k:  No, Hoary is _not_ stable.
[11:24] <zorba64> fc9k pretty much, it is up to a "preview" release
[11:24] <ompaul> thoreauputic, arrrrhhhh
[11:24] <thoreauputic> ompaul: there's a package for that
[11:24] <zenwhen> it is not "stable" but it is stable
[11:24] <scizzo> FAT_Toni: first of all....the releases that Debian does...they are out of control from all I know....ubuntu has a 6 months time for a new release or something like that
[11:24] <rlaggerzeo> I've got a major problem
[11:24] <zorba64> zenwhen - exactly
[11:24] <fc9k> right
[11:24] <rlaggerzeo> x won't stop for some reason
[11:24] <fc9k> bbl
[11:24] <geppy> It works, but it's not stable.
[11:25] <geppy> rlaggerzeo:  Unless you use the 2.6.11 package =P
[11:25] <zenwhen> geppy, it is not oficially stable, but it works damn well
[11:25] <rlaggerzeo> err
[11:25] <rlaggerzeo> start
[11:25] <thoreauputic> scizzo: bear in mind Debian has about 12 architectures to update
[11:25] <geppy> zenwhen:  Yes, but, then again, you're hanging out on IRC;  you can probably handle/fix breakage.
[11:25] <scizzo> thoreauputic: I know....
[11:26] <ompaul> thoreauputic, --> apt-get install apt-doc apt-howto <-- kinda helps there
[11:26] <ompaul> :)
[11:26] <zenwhen> geppy, while this is true, I have not had to touch a single config file
[11:26] <geppy> zenwhen: This is good to hear. =)
[11:26] <scizzo> thoreauputic: ;)
[11:26] <rlaggerzeo> it just says: /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libfb.a:fbmmx.o no symbols found
[11:27] <rlaggerzeo> thats all
[11:27] <rlaggerzeo> any suggestions?
[11:27] <rlaggerzeo> x won't start
[11:27] <rlaggerzeo> i'm in bitchx right now
[11:28] <thoreauputic> ompaul: in Soviet Russia, updatedb runs *you* !
[11:28] <thoreauputic> geppy: sorrry
[11:28] <geppy> hahahaha
[11:28] <geppy> I'm just kidding. =)
[11:28] <maximaus> Anybody roughly want to estimate how much of a pain in the tucchus upgrading to Hoary final from Warty via CDR will be (on dial up) I'd rather not have to reinstall all my /usr/local crap. :P ;)
[11:29] <drspin> maximaus: on dial up -- I would just find a friend with a burner and DSL and download the image after it's released and reinstall
[11:29] <geppy> maximaus: Too much of a pain. =/
[11:29] <lunitik> maximaus: I'd advise doing it at night... other than that... and ignoring that there is no hoary final yet... not that bad...
[11:29] <thoreauputic> maximaus: on dialup, saintly patience would be required
[11:29] <geppy> maximaus: What kind of connection does your local school/library/friend have?
[11:29] <maximaus> Ohmer, I'm going to order a CD LOL
[11:29] <ompaul> thoreauputic, hmmm sorry straight over my head I have tried
[11:30] <rlaggerzeo> i'm rebuilding the nvidia kernel
[11:30] <rlaggerzeo> see if that helps
[11:30] <thoreauputic> ompaul: you clearly haven't wasted any time on slashdot :)
[11:30] <maximaus> So I'll be upgrading from CD--of course I'll have to grab some updates via dial up of course.
[11:30] <ompaul> ahh
[11:30] <thoreauputic> ompaul: it's a tired old /. meme
[11:30] <ompaul> thoreauputic, okay
[11:30] <maximaus> Just wondering if the Hoary installer will "see" my Warty install--the same way I've upgraded Mandrake or Fedora.
[11:31] <ompaul> thoreauputic, that would make sense
[11:31] <lunitik> maximaus: you really should consider cable... I'm paying less than AOL for 512 down...
[11:31] <Marble2> Okay, this is probably a stupid question, but is there a way I can get a program to grab infornmation and display it on my desktop? Like amarok song info, cpu load, etc
[11:31] <thoreauputic> ompaul: most of them are (tired and old I mean)
[11:31] <ompaul> thoreauputic, haha
[11:31] <maximaus> lunitik, this always comes up--my local provider sucks, so I'm stuck with dial up atm
[11:31] <lunitik> Marble2: gdesklets
[11:31] <geppy> thoreauputic: http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/klee/misc/slashdot.html
[11:31] <geppy> =)
[11:32] <maximaus> You have to get a package deal for $100 month with cable tv, etc to get a deal. Oy.
[11:32] <thoreauputic> geppy: can't resist... must control... aaargh
[11:32] <ompaul> thoreauputic, I spent most of my time reading thereg /secfocus  and various local things
[11:32] <geppy> thoreauputic: hahaha
[11:32] <laggerzero_> i have no idea how the driver corrupted
[11:32] <ompaul> laggerzero_, it took a bribe from some bad software company?
[11:33] <laggerzero> might have
[11:33] <laggerzero> reinstalling the nvidia kernel fixed it
[11:33] <thoreauputic> ompaul: OMG - the jokes are getting worse by the minute!
[11:33] <thoreauputic> :)
[11:33] <Lemonzest> any guides for 32bit apps on 64bit linux?
[11:33] <drspin> any chance of getting an SMP kernel included on the Hoary install CD?
[11:34] <laggerzero> http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/
[11:34] <thoreauputic> Lemonzest: from 2 bit companies?
[11:34] <laggerzero> software patents are satans spawn
[11:34] <Lemonzest> ie stuff like skype
[11:35] <membreya> when nvidia asks for the kernel-source are the headers what it's after?
[11:35] <blizah> meskes what did you say i was to do to install gaim 1.4 over gaim 1.0.0
[11:35] <laggerzero> no
[11:35] <drspin> blizah: hoary or warty?
[11:35] <laggerzero> the kernel source
[11:35] <blizah> warty
[11:35] <St3althcAt> good afternoon
[11:35] <ompaul> thoreauputic, I do find inflicting pain through comedy is pretty evil
[11:35] <meskes> blizah: You could apt-pin
[11:35] <blizah> will this break updates if hoary is to come along w/ a newer one?
[11:36] <membreya> laggerzero: in synaptic, doing a search on kernel-source it only goes to 2.6.9
[11:36] <St3althcAt> problem: I'm installing my Speedtouch modem and in the middle of the process it says I don't have the libatml. How do I solve this problem?
[11:36] <membreya> i need 2.6.11
[11:36] <meskes> blizah: it could.
[11:36] <laggerzero> are you in hoary?
[11:36] <laggerzero> hoary is 2.6.10
[11:36] <drspin> blizah: you can install a backport of 1.0.0 without screwing stuff up... or you could use pinning -- to get it from hoary
[11:36] <Blissex> St3althcAt: you need the ATM libraries...
[11:36] <membreya> laggerzero: hoary can go to 2.6.11
[11:37] <laggerzero> do a search for linux-tree-2.6.10
[11:37] <laggerzero> its not on their yet
[11:37] <Blissex> St3althcAt: if you used a proper '.deb' for the SpeedTouch it would have had the right dependencies...
[11:37] <laggerzero> there
[11:37] <Amaranth> i need to completely disable my pc speaker
[11:37] <laggerzero> it needs to be built for debian
[11:37] <blizah> but i could uninstall it when time comes for hoary, and have everything working right agian?
[11:37] <thoreauputic> geppy: LMAO @ your /. link!
[11:37] <laggerzero> the regular source won't work
[11:37] <meskes> Amaranth: unplug it.
[11:37] <Amaranth> muting it in aumix and the gnome volume control don't do it
[11:37] <Blissex> Amaranth: use scissors :-)
[11:37] <geppy> thoreauputic:  =D
[11:37] <Amaranth> it's integrated into the motherboard
[11:37] <Madeye> gusy if i'm on VPS how to check how many VPS setuped on the same box?
[11:37] <membreya> laggerzero: linux-tree-2.6.11 is there :)
[11:37] <laggerzero> Amaranth, you have to disable it in the kernel
[11:37] <Blissex> Amaranth: however, do a web search for the "visual bell" linux HOWTO...
[11:37] <desrt> so guys
[11:38] <desrt> i installed a new ubuntu kernel
[11:38] <desrt> and now my computer doesn't boot
[11:38] <desrt> it's a total drag
[11:38] <Amaranth> what's the module name?
[11:38] <laggerzero> pc speaker
[11:38] <laggerzero> i forget where it is
[11:38] <laggerzero> i'll look
[11:38] <maxi-away> desrt,  I'm assuming you didn't leave the old kernel in place so you can choose it instead via GRUB?
[11:38] <St3althcAt> Where do I get that libraries and how do I install them?
[11:39] <Blaubaer> one quick question: will there be a way to upgrade to hoary from a existing warty-installation?
[11:39] <desrt> maxi-away; well... i had a backup of gentoo on my drive
[11:39] <desrt> so i booted my gentoo kernel
[11:39] <desrt> i'd sort of like it if the ubuntu one worked
[11:39] <Blissex> St3althcAt: use 'synaptic' for example...
[11:39] <desrt> it says something about not being able to open /dev/console
[11:39] <Blissex> St3althcAt: and use the SpeedTouch '.deb'
[11:39] <blizah> drspin how do i install a "backport" to get to the newest gaim?
[11:40] <desrt> i should reboot again and see if i can get the exact message
[11:40] <eb0x> I am trying to set xchat up to use identd, does Ubuntu come with an identd server already installed?
[11:40] <desrt> brb!
[11:40] <eb0x> If not, what can I use?
[11:40] <laggerzero> found it
[11:40] <kent> Blaubaer, yes. There is documents about that on the ubuntu wiki (check the ubuntu homepage)
[11:40] <laggerzero> its under input devices
[11:40] <Draal> Hello
[11:40] <Draal> Anyone have a free moment?
[11:40] <geppy> Probably.
[11:40] <laggerzero> sort of
[11:40] <Blaubaer> kent: thanks, havent found anything about it yet.
[11:40] <geppy> Why don't you just ask your question?
[11:40] <Draal> Thats mighty chipper of you..
[11:41] <laggerzero> Amaranth, look under input devices
[11:41] <laggerzero> its at the bottom
[11:41] <geppy> Asking to ask a question just decreases the signal to noise ratio.
[11:41] <eb0x> lol
[11:42] <Draal> I have the Debian Net Install CD, but it uses an older version of the kernel that doesn't support the Centrino chipset. So I'm not able to install a clean Debian system through apt-get.
[11:42] <laggerzero> what debian?
[11:42] <laggerzero> sid sarge or woody?
[11:42] <Draal> Sarge
[11:42] <laggerzero> sarge supports the newer kernels
[11:42] <laggerzero> just after the install
[11:42] <kent> Blaubaer, its just a matter of changing every warty  word in either synaptic or doing it manually by editing /etc/apt/sources.list.   http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[11:42] <laggerzero> installit off of apt
[11:43] <laggerzero> install
[11:43] <Draal> But I can't access apt because it isn't allowing me to access the internet.
[11:43] <laggerzero> oh
[11:43] <vidar_> Hi there! i have a wierd problem with my wlan. If i boot into kernel 2.6.10-4, the wlan card shows up in device manager, but not in network-admin, but if i boot into 2.6.8.1-3 it works fine. anyone know what the problem is?
[11:43] <Draal> So is there a way to upgrade the kernel in the installer?
[11:43] <Draal> I need at least Linux 2.6
[11:43] <laggerzero> not sure
[11:44] <jintxo> draal, have you ried booting with "linux2.6" at the boot prompt? it's been a long time since I've instaleld debian, but IO seem to recall that option...
[11:44] <laggerzero> to goto #debian
[11:44] <meskes> vidar_: you need to have the correct modules loaded for the new kernel?
[11:44] <laggerzero> they might be able to help you
[11:45] <Draal> There isn't a way to run a Debian install through Ubuntu, is there?
[11:45] <vidar_> meskes: how do i load those? it actualy worked before, but it suddently stopped working after a reboot.
[11:45] <laggerzero> ubuntu is based off of debian
[11:46] <laggerzero> but its completely different
[11:46] <laggerzero> xandros is the closest to sarge there is
[11:46] <Draal> I know.
[11:46] <Draal> Never mind.
[11:46] <lunitik> laggerzero: its really not completely different though...
[11:46] <Draal> Thank you though.
[11:46] <desrt> ok.  this is what it says (bear with me.. i'm tying it off of a piece of paper)
[11:46] <meskes> vidar_: from the old kernel apt-get install linux-modulesKERNELVERSIONHERE
[11:46] <desrt> Starting Ubuntu...
[11:46] <desrt> pivot_root: No such file or directory
[11:46] <laggerzero> applications i mean
[11:46] <desrt> /sbin/init: 428: cannot open dev/console: No such file
[11:47] <desrt> Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!
[11:47] <vidar_> meskes: ok. i'll try that. tnx
[11:47] <toni> i tried to install racer for unutu (prev. ver.) but: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 not found.. where can i find it?
[11:47] <toni> *ubuntu
[11:48] <firdel> http://xynext.com/Abbot-Costello-Whos-on-First-Computer-Joke/
[11:48] <firdel> lol
[11:48] <jamin_> i'm trying the powerpc version of ubuntu for the first time, just wondering is it possible to put the iso on an ipod and go from there?
[11:48] <Blissex> jamin_: can you boot from the iPod?
[11:48] <jamin_> yea thats my question
[11:49] <toni> where can i find libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3?
[11:50] <Blissex> jamin_: just use a CD :-)
[11:50] <Rods_Tiger> I've just done "sudo apt-get update"
[11:50] <Rods_Tiger> and it's just asked me "E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?"
[11:51] <Rods_Tiger> and I typed "no" and it said "bash: no: command not found"
[11:51] <spades> close synaptic
[11:51] <Rods_Tiger> aha. Thanks
[11:51] <Rods_Tiger> yep, that worked fine now.
[11:52] <thoreauputic> that's one for bash.org
[11:52] <koen_> Hi i once saw this site that i could search ubuntu packages on, but i cant find it on the forums
[11:52] <laggerzero> bash is way to backed up
[11:54] <thoreauputic> actually the logic of that response is rather beautiful ... :)
[11:54] <thoreauputic> and it's just asked me "E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?"
 and I typed "no" and it said "bash: no: command not found"
 close synaptic
[11:55] <laggerzero> yeah it is
[11:55] <laggerzero> but it will be months before it is reviewed
[11:55] <Chipzz> thoreauputic: you should type "yes no" :)
[11:55] <Chipzz> thoreauputic: that actually works ;)
[11:55] <thoreauputic> laggerzero: if I were new to computers and the computer asked me that, I would probably type "no" as well
[11:56] <laggerzero> heh
[11:56] <speedy2782> So, I just upgraded to hoary, and I need some assistance with getting wifi running
[11:56] <toni> where can i find libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3?
[11:56] <thoreauputic> Chipzz: ah , the yes command, of course :)
[11:56] <laggerzero> oh this is beautiful
[11:56] <ggeecko> i wanna run a exchange server...what linux program should i use??
[11:56] <laggerzero> the new nvidia drivers work great
[11:56] <laggerzero> you can modify them with nvidia-settings
[11:57] <Chipzz> laggerzero: what new nvidia drivers?
[11:57] <Quest-Master> Chipzz: New drivers released today
[11:57] <desrt> ok.  i think i have to recreate my initrc
[11:57] <laggerzero> get them off of nvidia.com
[11:57] <desrt> i've added some modules to /etc/initrc/modules
[11:57] <desrt> initrd, rather
[11:57] <desrt> how do i go about doing this?
[11:58] <ompaul> ggeecko, have a look at asterix it should do that job
[11:58] <speedy2782> is anyone in here good at wifi?
[11:58] <laggerzero> i need a new desktop
[11:58] <laggerzero> http://www.linuxwallpapers.de
[11:59] <Rob_Linux_Newb> I have a question...