fabbionesvenl: ping?12:04
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YokoZarOk, I'm writing a scrollkeeper OMF file to put the Wine documentation in a standard place so it's viewable from the help menu.  The trouble is I'm having trouble figuring out what category to place it in from the list at ( /usr/share/scrollkeeper/Templates/C/scrollkeeper_cl.xml ) - is it possible to add an entry to that list, or is there one I should pick from?12:52
ograYokoZar: the doc team just finished a meeting in #ubuntu-meeting, probably there someone can help12:53
YokoZarThank you12:53
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AndyFitzclearlooks is the sexiest gtk engine ever03:10
AndyFitzprobably no chance of getting it into hoary... but damn thats a shame.   03:10
thullywhat do you mean.. hoary preview uses clearlooks03:11
dredgniall@malkovich:~(0)$ dpkg -l gtk2-engines-clearlooks|grep ^ii03:12
dredgii  gtk2-engines-c 0.4-0ubuntu2   ClearLooks theme03:12
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AndyFitzcopy this gtkrc into your clearlooks human folder...  http://andy.fitzsimon.com.au/gtk-2.0/gtkrc    its a quick colourmod I did to make it look more like industrial.   03:13
crimsunAndyFitz: both ubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-artwork depend on gtk2-engines-clearlooks03:13
AndyFitzits just so professional. all the widgets look sexy03:13
AndyFitzcrimsun,  I thought we were using industrial by default ?03:14
wasabiWho do I have to go to to get a package moved from multiverse to universe?03:17
wasabiI just freed it.03:17
dholbachwasabi: maybe the TB *shrug*03:18
dholbachtechnical board03:18
crimsunwasabi: you'll need to include documentation of the new license and a copy of the conversation, too03:19
wasabiIt's not a license problem.03:19
wasabiIt was contrib previously03:19
wasabiin debian03:19
crimsunmain now?03:19
wasabiWill be if it EVER gets thru new.03:19
wasabiI hear NEW in debian is pretty backed up though. :003:20
wasabi(I am in close touch with the debian maintainers)03:20
dholbachwasabi: we're not debian :-)03:20
wasabiyes yes yes, doesn't change the fact though.03:20
wasabiIt's only in multiverse because of a previous dependency. It is not a license problem.03:20
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dholbachif you tell it the right people in that way everything should be fine03:21
wasabii dont follow?03:22
wasabiTB I can follow. ;)03:22
dholbachgood night everyone03:34
crimsunnight daniel03:34
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Keybukprobably not worth TB, a mail to ubuntu-devel would be sufficient03:35
dholbachbye crimsun03:35
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tsenghi all04:31
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mdzKamion: ping, re: LCA registration05:10
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svenlfabbione: pong07:39
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mantienahi all08:14
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fabbionemdz: ping?08:29
fabbionesvenl: ping?08:29
svenlfabbione: here or on d-k ? 08:30
fabbionehere.. it's ubuntu related :-)08:30
fabbionemind to look at this: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/m/mplayer/1:1.0-pre6-0.3ubuntu6/mplayer_1:1.0-pre6-0.3ubuntu6_20050312-1837-powerpc-failed08:30
fabbioneand tell me if you have any idea of why it fails?08:30
fabbioneit's really a strange error (for me at leat)08:31
svenlurk, mplayer, never used this one, i thought it was borderline non-free.08:34
fabbionesvenl: it's in multiverse08:35
fabbionenot main08:35
fabbioneit had a very broken build rules08:35
svenlI would say bad altivec code at first sight, can you ask me again tomorrow ? Today is my wife's birthday and i promised not to code overmuch :)08:35
fabbioneyesterday i unfucked it a bit08:35
fabbioneand managed to get amd64 out08:35
mantienadaniels: hi could you explain me some things about driver autodetection in yours xorg packages ?08:35
fabbionesvenl: have a nice day ;)08:36
svenlfabbione: hehe.08:36
ace2001acfabbione: does mplayer on amd64 do everything that mplayer on i386 does?08:45
ace2001acfabbione: or do you lose some functionality?08:45
fabbioneace2001ac: no idea. it builds. that's all i know08:46
fabbioneclearly there are no codecs around08:46
fabbioneso it is automatically limited08:47
ace2001acfabbione: ah, cool08:47
fabbioneit would be even more cool if they stopped this codec madness ages ago08:50
fabbioneI NEED TO FART!08:51
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mdzfabbione: pong08:51
fabbione*** please install the new farting codec from www.fart.com ***08:51
fabbionemdz: morning :-)08:52
fabbionemdz: i wrote it in the mail ;)08:52
fabbionei had the feeling you were asleep08:52
mdzit is later than I thought, but i am not asleep yet08:52
fabbionemdz: i am afraid your approach will slow down the process to hell08:53
ace2001acfabbione: i agree, i would prefer open codecs for everyone :)08:53
fabbionethat's what i am scared off08:53
fabbionemdz: i think we can find another solution on the way of langpacks instead08:53
fabbionemdz: exposing a tarball from the buildd that can be fetched by everyone08:53
mdzthat is much more complicated than I think it needs to be08:53
fabbionemdz: it is more complicated the other way imho08:54
fabbionespecially for arches in "port in progress"08:54
fabbionewhere we have no access08:54
fabbioneand i am not talking about sparc here :-)08:54
fabbionebut more generally08:54
mdzthe architecture is not very important, as far as I am concerned08:54
mdzit is not necessary to do builds on every architecture08:55
fabbioneindeed it is08:55
fabbionethe ABI file is per arch per flavour08:55
fabbioneor subarch08:55
mdzthe ABI has been broken several times already in hoary08:55
fabbioneor whatever you want to call it08:55
mdzand 0 of those times have been arch-specific08:55
fabbionewell that's because we have never seen nvidia on ppc08:55
mdzthe point of this exercise is to catch the common mistake08:55
fabbioneor stuff like that08:55
fabbioneyes i understand your point but since we are doing it, let's do it full feature08:56
fabbionetake into account that such manual requirement can delay an upload up to 4 hours08:57
mdzI don't want to get involved with transferring this data in and out of the buildds when something simpler would meet the realistic requirements08:57
fabbione(due to ppc)08:58
fabbioneand i am talking for one build.08:58
fabbioneif that build breaks the ABI the upload will take ages08:58
fabbioneeither to find what breaks08:58
fabbioneor to change the ABI08:58
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fabbioneotherwise i think we should defer this for hoary+109:01
fabbioneand discuss at UDU how to implement it so that it is an easy tool to use09:01
mdzby all means, let's discuss for hoary+1 how to do it the way that you want09:02
mdzbut for now, we can implement it as I propose and get significant benefit09:02
fabbioneok i will see with the other guys09:03
fabbioneand what they think about ti09:03
mdzwe can't break the ABI this way anymore in Hoary; it disrupts development and testing too much09:03
mdzthe current set of live CDs are broken because of it09:03
fabbionedidn't they sync with -27 ?09:04
mdzit requires a d-i build and byhand upload09:05
mantienamdz: I've patch'ed casper's package to have installation mode - added boolean casper/install-mode variable into template and when this variable is set to yes, then:09:05
mantiena1.  all casper's post.d scripts are disabled09:05
mantiena2. "pivot_root . initrd" and "kill -USR1 1" are not executed in casper-udeb.postinst09:05
mantiena3. "umount /target", ""mkdir /source" and "mount /dev/mappper/casper-snapshot /source" are executed at the end of casper-udeb.postinst09:05
mantiena(look at http://www.gnoppix.org/wiki/index.php/LiveCDInstaller )09:05
mantienacould you add my patch to official casper package ? then ubuntu-based liveCD distributions could have a posibility to install liveCD to hard disk without patching casper's package every time, when new casper version is released09:05
fabbionemdz: but d-i is builded daily, so it should be there09:06
mdzmantiena: not for Hoary, but I already planned to implement such a feature for Hoary+109:06
fabbioneideally the livecd should be able to use it09:06
fabbionemdz: how about this:09:07
mdzfabbione: it is built daily, but it isn't installed until elmo byhands it09:07
mdzand often elmo can't do this until after the daily CD build09:07
fabbioneah ok...09:07
mdzhonestly, the best solution is not to break the kernel09:07
mdzit is not only the CDs, but user systems09:07
fabbioneyes i agree on that :-))09:07
fabbionei suggest this approach09:07
fabbionewe can add an -abi package to distribute the last built abi09:08
fabbioneat least for people without porting machine access09:08
fabbionewe do NOT build-dep on it09:08
svenldaniels: i spoke some with benh, and it seems that if there is one monitor, it will always be edid1, independently on which port is it connected.09:08
fabbionebut at least the abi are available for download from the archive09:08
fabbioneit would make it easier the development09:08
svenldaniels: there will be a change to these things later on, but this will be post-hoary, and we need to rework xresprobe to do proper multi-headed stuff though.09:09
fabbionein case of a dumb upload the abi checker will make the kernel FTBFS09:09
fabbioneso there is actually no breakage09:09
mdzit can't perform the check without build-depending on the package09:09
mdzwhich is why I specified that it should go in the source package09:09
fabbionemdz: no it is still the maintainer job to grab the abi's and put them in proper source09:09
fabbionebut it gets easier than going around porting machine and fetching them manually09:10
fabbionewhat has been built must still be copied in the source09:10
fabbionejust a simpler way to distribute them around09:10
mdzI had good reasons for specifying it the way that I did, and paramount among them was simplicity09:11
fabbioneyes but again.. i don't want to build-dep on it09:11
fabbioneit's just to make it easier to have the abi files available09:11
fabbionebut if you don't like it.. ok. we can live with that09:12
mdzfor hoary, let's do it my way, and in UDU, you can take responsibility for specifying the second iteration09:12
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mantienamdz: but my patch doesn't nothing if variable casper/install-mode is set to no (default is no), so it would break anythink in hoary09:13
mantienait's very simple, only one if and else ;)09:13
fabbionemantiena: we are at 3 weeks from release09:13
mdzmantiena: we are a full month into feature freeze, please respect the release cycle09:13
fabbioneeach patch means a big round of testing09:13
mdzI like the idea; as I said, I had already planned to implement this for hoary+109:14
mdzbut your implementation is not complete, and I see no reason to force it into hoary09:14
mantienamdz: what I should complete ?09:15
mdzmantiena: from looking at your wiki page (why is this in the gnoppix wiki rather than the Ubuntu wiki where I would have seen it?), you don't configure the base system at all09:16
mdzthere is no partitioner09:16
mdz /etc/inittab will be completely inappropriate for the installed system09:16
mantienamdz: it seems you don't understand me09:16
mantienaubuntu-installer already has partitioner09:17
mdznot on the live CD it doesn't09:17
mantienamdz: it's not my problem, because older live CD versions (until array-5) contained all needed udebs for installation09:20
mdzmantiena: that was a bug which has since been fixed09:20
mantienamdz: I don't call it a bug ;)09:21
mdzwell, that's what it was09:21
mantienawhy you think, that /etc/inittab will be completely inappropriate for the installed system ?09:22
mdzbecause you copy it from the live CD09:22
mdzaccording to your wiki page09:22
mantienafilesystem.cloop has bad inittab ?09:23
mdzoh, you disable post.d09:23
mdzso the language is not configured, etc.09:23
mantienahehe :-P09:23
_d4vidhi all09:24
mdzmantiena: here is how we implement features in Ubuntu09:24
mdzfirst we establish requirements09:24
mdzthen we write a specification09:24
mdzthese are discussed among developers09:24
mdzand then we write the code09:24
mantienamdz: I already wrote specifications at http://www.gnoppix.org/wiki/index.php/LiveCDInstaller :)09:25
mdzfrom the beginning the feature is targeted for a release, and is incorporated at the appropriate time in the releasae cycle09:25
mdzwe do not take a feature, which appears from nowhere, and drop it into the release at the last minute09:25
mdzthis is a post-Hoary feature09:25
mantienamdz: ok, but maybe you could just add my patch into casper sources and don't enable it at build time ?09:26
mdzmantiena: why?09:26
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mdzmantiena: if you are looking for acknowledgement of your work, thank you, I think it is very interesting09:27
mdzbut it does not belong in hoary, it will need to wait09:27
mantienamy patch simply modifies 3 files:09:28
mdzI have said no, and I will not be pressured on this09:29
smgive up mantiena :)09:29
mdzdon't give up, just be patient and work according to our schedule09:30
mantienait's hard to work with ubuntu developers - they don't want to accept others work, there are no CVS, SVN where other developers could put patches :(09:30
mdzthe former is demonstrably false09:31
mantienamdz: so, where I should put my patch to be visible ?09:31
mdzit is true that we do not have a centralized revision control repository, but the fact that there are many people already collaborating on Ubuntu shows that this is not a requirement09:31
mdzmantiena: where would you put it if we had a CVS repository?09:31
mantienamdz: in CVS09:32
mdzmantiena: it would not go in CVS for the same reason that it won't go in the Hoary package09:32
smyou guys could do with a bunch of darcs repos09:33
smmantiena could publish and ubuntu could pull when ready09:33
mdzsm: we're converging on arch09:33
mdzwe just don't have everything imported at this point09:33
mdzit will happen, though09:33
mdzI have been meaning to import casper; I just haven't had time to do it properly09:33
mdzmantiena: if I put casper in arch, so that you could branch and publish your patch that way, would that help you?09:34
mantienamdz: YES09:34
mantienamy live CD was based on morphix framework and it was great to work together with morphix developers, because they don't force me to follow to they shedule, I always could add my work to official CVS repository if not in main branch, then in another ;)09:37
mantienaand then other developers could review and test my work.09:38
mdzmorphix doesn't have a schedule09:38
mdzand so far in your dealings with Ubuntu, you have been aggressive, uncooperative and impolite09:39
mantienamdz: I'm simple09:40
mantienaI'm not very good in english, but this was not a problem with lots of other projects, which I work together09:41
mantienamdz: I'm not aggresive and not uncooperative09:41
mantienaI simply tell what I think09:42
mantienamaybe not in perfect english language09:42
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mantienamdz: I'm always happy to critique, so if you see any problem you can tell me.09:51
mantienaIf you put casper in arch, cvs, svn or something and allow me to put code to separate branch it would be very good for me (and for other developers, like amu from gnoppix).09:51
mantienaMaybe then there will be less communication problems between us ? ;)09:51
mdzmantiena: baz register-archive http://people.ubuntu.com/~mdz/archives/matt.zimmerman@canonical.com--200409:51
mdzmantiena: I had intended to do it for some time anyway09:53
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mdzmantiena: so if you had asked for it, rather than accusing Ubuntu of being hard to work with, that would have been more productive09:54
mdzit is very easy to set up09:54
mdzbut I am extraordinarily busy, and I am trying to have a weekend off09:54
mantienamdz: I'm happy, that you allow me to work togerher09:54
fabbionemdz: you didn't have much of a success up til now ;)09:55
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mdzfabbione: and I still am not; I end up spending my weekend arguing with mantiena09:55
fabbionemdz: go and rest dude09:55
fabbionemdz: if there is anything important i will send you an sms09:55
dholbachmdz: yeah... have a nice weekend09:55
mdzI am trying to promote understanding and cooperation :-P09:56
fabbionemdz: i am cooperating to let you have a weekend09:56
fabbionego out of here09:56
fabbioneand relax09:56
fabbioneotherwise i am going to break you in a few pieces at UDU09:56
fabbioneyou must rest09:56
dholbachfabbione: you forgot the exclamation marks09:57
mdzexclamation marks are not necessary09:57
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dholbachhi doko09:58
YokoZarmdz I am giving you an electronic weekend over the internet so you don't need to find one ok?09:59
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mdzYokoZar: thanks, but there is no electronic substitute :-)09:59
YokoZarWe can still be eFriends right?10:00
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dokogood morning all10:02
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mantienahi doko10:03
mantienahehe, it seems arch in debian is *very* outdated (more than 3 years old. :( )10:12
rubenvmantiena: that's why all the cool kids use Ubuntu ;-)10:14
mdzmantiena: apt-get install bazaar10:15
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mantienarubenv: ubuntu doesn't have arch package :-P10:18
mantienamdz: ok, it seems at least arch package description in debian should be updated ;)10:18
whiprushtla is also available10:18
mdzmantiena: don't be ridiculous10:18
mdzmantiena: ubuntu has both tla and bazaar, the two main implementations of arch10:19
mdzDebian does also10:19
mdzDebian's tla is slightly more up-to-date, and Ubuntu's bazaar is slightly more up-to-date10:19
rubenv(but main is in freeze now)10:20
mantienaGheRivero: hi, how things are going in spain ?10:20
mantienamdz: I don't wanna waste your time, but in any case if some user (who never tried arch) want's to use arch then first thing he tries is apt-get install arch ;)10:21
rubenvmantiena: a new time user should rather read a guide on how to use it10:22
rubenvand that guide will always mention tla/baz10:22
mantienarubenv: yea, that's why I installed arch10:22
mantienarubenv: and read files in /usr/share/doc/arch10:23
rubenva website always contains better info dude :-)10:23
GheRiverohi mantiena! really good! 10:23
GheRiveroand there?10:23
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mantienarubenv: and noticed, that they are more than 3 years old and don't mention not tla nor baz :(10:25
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mantienaGheRivero: in Lithuanian not so good - fucking government publish almost all document to Lithuanian people only in fucking MS Office formats, also lots of public sector's web pages work only with fucking MS IE :((((((((10:27
GheRiverothat's a problem,a big problem10:28
crimsunmdz: err, sorry about #7556. If Malone's ready, I'll use that instead.10:29
mantienayea, in lithuanian there is a law for government institutions that they should publish all document also in open formats, but majority (about 95%) of government institutions don't follow this law :(10:32
mantienaso even when people buy computer with linux, they are forced to buy or pirate M$ Windows, because they simply can't fill tax form or read info from public sectors web pages with Linux :(10:32
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HiddenWolfmantiena: luckily the EU has put some clout behind legislation that all documents should be oss formats10:36
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dokomithrandir: around?10:57
dokocan you reproduce the libdl.so error, after removing ia32-libs?10:59
Mithrandirwhich libdl.so error?10:59
doko#7542 and #754311:00
Mithrandirgiven that I haven't read email yet today, no, I haven't seen them and haven't analyzed them.11:02
mantienaHiddenWolf: in our country such law is active about 2 years, but problem is, that institutions don't follow law :(11:05
mantienahaggai: you are openoffice.org maintainer, right ?11:05
Mithrandirdoko: give me time to eat some breakfast and I'll look at it afterwards.11:06
dholbachdoes anybody know the specification of the amd64-buildd?11:08
fabbionedholbach: they are big fat mother fuckers :)11:08
dholbachjust want to estimate how long the ACE build is going to take on my box11:08
dholbach*cry* it took nearly 1,5h on the buildd11:09
dokoMithrandir: thanks11:12
dholbachfabbione: i like your explicit use of language, it makes things less virtual :-)11:14
fabbionedholbach: ???11:14
fabbionein reference to what?11:14
dholbachfabbione: "big fat mother fuckers" :-)11:14
fabbionei am pretty famous for that11:15
dholbachyeah... thanks for that :-)11:15
fabbioneMith and thom know :-)11:15
dholbachi was nearly lying on the floor, when you talked about dildos, goatse and CAN11:16
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Mithrandirdholbach: iirc, they are dual 246 or 248s with 2G of memory and decent disk systems.11:27
dholbach246 doesnt tell me anything11:28
Mithrandir246 is opteron at 2.0GHz11:29
dholbachbut sounds like it's about to take 4 hours at my place or something11:29
Mithrandirdepends on whether the build uses both CPUs or not.11:29
dholbachjust for a one-line-change11:29
HiddenWolfdholbach: then wait untill you've changed more lines. :)11:31
dholbachsomebody hand me a club... a big one please ;-)11:32
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dholbachHiddenWolf: run! ;-)11:33
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Mithrandirfabbione: mplayer seems to be a happy badger here11:34
HiddenWolfdholbach: ;)11:35
dholbachoh... it's about to finish... "only" 2,5h :-) *YAY*11:36
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Mithrandirdoko: does hoary support the Fritz!DSL adapters now?11:37
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dokoMithrandir: yes11:39
dokoMithrandir: not yet on amd6411:40
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Mithrandirdoko: ok, cool.  Out of the box?11:48
MithrandirIf so, I'm pondering doing a reinstall of my router.11:48
dokowell, you have still to edit /etc/isdn/capi.conf to uncomment one line ...11:50
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Mithrandirsure, I have a working system so I can duplicate most stuff from there.11:53
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dokowasabi: is there a need for this really_long_usr_lib_jdk_home_path_that_nobody_can_remember pathname in java-gcj-compat ?12:17
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mantienahaggai: you are openoffice.org maintainer, right ?12:20
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dokomithrandir: how do you let a buildd think it runs on i386 instead in a i386 chroot on amd64. unfortunately uname -m tells the truth ...12:26
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mjg59thom: Got some new crack for power management12:52
amuelmo: jackass say "ccache: failed to create (null)/.ccache (No such file or directory)" http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/b/blender/2.36-1ubuntu1/blender_2.36-1ubuntu1_20050313-1139-i386-failed12:52
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amumjg59: did you find out why sleep doesnt work on a ibook? 12:56
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mjg59amu: Which ibook?12:58
mjg59How does it fail?12:58
mantienaamu: hi12:58
amumjg59: ibook g4 ... resume doesnt work correctly, after awacke, there's a black screen12:59
amumantiena: hi 12:59
mjg59amu: Try disabling DRI and GLX in your X configuration01:00
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amumjg59: great, works! only a problem, if a usb-stick is plugined 01:10
mjg59amu: Ok. What sort of ibook is it?01:15
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kagouis there a way to allow a new installation to keep the /home directory ? (single partition)01:19
amumjg59: ibook G4 1200mhz (287), revision 1.2,  12"   01:26
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mjg59Radeon 9200?01:27
amuyep 9200 M9+ rev.01, RV250, 5c63 01:28
mantienakagou: yes01:29
kagoumantiena, could you explain me ?01:29
mantienayes ;)01:43
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mantienafabbione: ubuntu bug #3609 is assigned to you, what you think about solving this bug ?02:04
mantienacurrently ubuntu users can't work with firewire devices :(02:05
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HiddenWolfwhat is that entire mess with libhowl?02:56
Treenakslicense mess02:56
Treenakssome part of it was licensed under some non-free apple license02:56
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lunitikThank you to whoever pushed for Clearlooks as default theme, good choice  :)03:02
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mantienafabbione: are you online ?03:03
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ogralunitik: thank our sabdfl :)03:04
lunitikogra, 8-)   (still wonder what that means though)03:06
ogralunitik: self applied dictator for life03:06
ogralunitik: Mark Shuttleworth03:06
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lunitikyou don't have that covered  ;)03:06
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ograoh, shame on me, benevolent indeed03:07
lunitikStill cool though to see the person responsible for Ubuntu online with the users and devels though  :)03:08
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seb128elmo: pwlib / gnomemeeting syncs please03:14
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thierryHi, I'd like to make a new ubuntu package for the new version of gdesklets (0.34.1) can anyone give an url or advices how to do this?03:15
seb128oh, nice03:16
seb128gdesklets is looking for a new maintainer :)03:16
Mithrandirseb128: "more than 2G memory recommended"? ;)03:17
seb128I've planned to mail about some GNOME stuff that need a maintainer03:17
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dholbachthierry: you could join #ubuntu-motu :-)03:17
seb128Mithrandir: gdesklets is really crap03:17
Mithrandirseb128: no shit? :)03:17
seb128upstream break compatibility and user configuration every 2 new versions03:18
mantienaseb128: you are gnome-system-tools maintainer ?03:18
dholbachseb128: we put nautilus-media on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MorgueCandidates?03:18
ograthierry: thats a very brave attempt, respect :)03:18
seb128the desklets are a collection of quick and dirty python stuff wroten by guys who don't know how to program, just do a quick hack and don't maintain it03:18
dholbachseb128: hope it's ok03:19
seb128dholbach: read the list and bugzilla please03:19
seb128mantiena: correct03:19
fabbionehey seb03:20
seb128dholbach: there is a bug in bugzilla about nautilus-media03:20
dholbachseb128: could we reflect this decision in gnome-desktop-environment?03:20
fabbionemantiena: i am now, but not for long03:20
seb128the gnome package needs to work to, if somebody wants to send a patch he's welcome03:20
seb128hi fabbione 03:20
seb128basically we have gnome from debian 2.803:21
seb128gnome/gnome-desktop-environment/... etc03:21
seb128I don't really care since we use ubuntu-desktop03:21
mantienaseb128: there is one problem for desktop users in users-admin tool - they create a new user with users-admin, but newly created user can't work with audio, cdrom, various usb devices, etc, because newly created user isn't added to needed groups as default03:21
fabbioneseb128: i am getting this building a bunch of packages on sparc:03:21
fabbione /bin/sed: can't read /usr/lib/libhowl.la: No such file or directory03:21
mantienafabbione: ubuntu bug #3609 is assigned to you, what you think about solving this bug ?03:21
dholbachseb128: but waht would be the deal if we just removed the dependency from gnome-desktop-environment?03:22
fabbioneseb128: is it just question of kicking it back?03:22
seb128mantiena: it really should, ping sivang about this, he's working on that03:22
seb128fabbione: grep howl /usr/lib/*.la ?03:22
ogramantiena: did you choose the right profile ?03:22
seb128dholbach: I don't really care but I would prefer if somebody updates it for GNOME 2.1003:22
fabbioneseb128: i did it a long time ago when we unrolled the libhowl problem.. apparently some package still search for it, but it's nothing important03:23
seb128fabbione: should be a just kick yep03:23
fabbioneseb128: or urgent03:23
mantienaogra: there are already preconfigured profiles in ubuntu's users-admin ?03:23
fabbioneseb128: roger that :-)03:23
seb128mantiena: correct03:23
ogramantiena: thats what sivang introduced, yes03:23
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mantienaogra: hehe, it's what I want to suggest ;)03:24
fabbionemantiena: hounestly.. i have 132 bugs assigned on me and that is one with the lowest priority.03:24
fabbione(or almost)03:24
fabbioneso please do not push for stuff03:25
thierryseb128: what is the bug for the gnome package thing?03:25
seb128thierry: what bug ?03:25
seb128move to query for gdesklets03:25
mantienafabbione: but this one could be fixed just adding one line in /etc/udev/links.conf03:26
fabbionemantiena: no. it's not. read the bug carefully including the kernel patch.03:26
mantienafabbione: Mandrake developers choosed simpler way ;)03:27
wasabidoko, JPackage convention.03:27
wasabidoko, there is supposed to be a symlink farm in /usr/lib/jvm that makes it easier to find... but I haven't stumbled onto the code that manages it yet, or the policy docs. I will be doing that soon.03:28
mantienafabbione: users don't care which way developers choose for fixing not working firewire subsystem, they just want to work with firewire devices, for example with digital video cameras :)03:29
fabbionemantiena: i do, because a wrong fix can make the hell of maintainace afterwards03:30
mantienafabbione: I understand, that you do ;)03:31
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mantienafabbione: could you tell me if this bug is planned to be fixed in hoary or only in hoary+1 ?03:32
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fabbionemantiena: if you can provide me all the patches to fix major bugs, i can start spending time on normal ones.03:33
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mantienafabbione: sorry, I can't provide all patches, I just ask if hoary final version will have /dev/raw1394 or not ;)03:36
ogramantiena: who knows03:36
fabbioneif i will get to do it yes. otherwise no03:36
ogramantiena: the fact that its in bugzilla and assigned to a (very good) dev should be enough....03:37
fabbioneogra :-)03:37
ogra...no need to poke someone about it all day03:38
ografabbione, :)03:38
zulogra: stop sucking up ;)03:38
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dokowasabi: for the OOo2 build I have to add gij/gcj symlinks/scripts into the compat package. is this ok with you?03:40
wasabiif you can wait one second I can ask some redhat guy what the symlink is supposed to be.03:42
wasabior find it on some jpackage list03:42
wasabiit's hte one thing I couldn't find in their policy03:42
wasabiI suspect it is simple supposed to be /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj03:42
wasabiI am |    | this close to having Ant working. ;)03:43
wasabiYes. /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj looks right.03:44
wasabiI can add that if you want me too. I was going to do it anyways today.03:44
dokoand /usr/lib/gcj-java-compat goes away?03:44
wasabiI won't get rid of that for a bit though. I've been using it. =/03:45
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dokowasabi: please do so and upload the package (with the gij/gcj scripts similiar to the rmic script)03:47
wasabiuh oh.03:47
wasabiyou need rmic?03:47
dokono, did I say so?03:47
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wasabiWell you hinted at it?03:48
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Nafallofabbione: is mplayer-custom still used? IMO it does what -nogui should do :-P. just that -nogui should build on all platforms...03:59
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HiddenWolfIs there any utility that can assist me from copying this working ubuntu setup to another computer?04:15
wasabi#ubuntu for that though04:16
psy_wasabi: or mount ;)04:17
psy_mount -t nfs ... ... 04:20
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Goshawki've upgraded the sources of a library and built a new library package, do you need a ubuntu sponsor to upload them=?04:51
dholbachGoshawk: for universe or for main?04:52
Goshawkthe update library is libdirectfb that is in main at 0.9.20, i've done 0.9.2204:52
Goshawkand the other is a new package04:52
Goshawklinked at libdirectfb and it's called lib++dfb (never pacakged)04:53
Goshawki've tried them04:53
Goshawkand they works04:53
ograGoshawk: on all arches ?04:53
Goshawkno.. only mine04:53
dholbachGoshawk: ok... you'll have to ask in this channel or write a mail to the mailing list (ubuntu-devel@) - if you don't have really really good reasons for it, i'm not sure if it will be taken into account for hoary release04:53
Goshawksince i've only one pc ^__^04:53
ografb is very architecture critical....04:54
Goshawkyes... but they are needed for usplash04:54
Goshawkusplash is going to be base on them because they are going to be a standard04:54
ograGoshawk, its unlikely they will get into main for hoary04:55
Goshawkone question.. do community packages became canonical packages (and added in main) ?04:56
ograGoshawk, but i dont make the decisions for main, ask again if someone of the main team is around who can decide about it, or follow dholbachs advice to mail it04:56
ograGoshawk: i dont understand...04:57
ograGoshawk: do you mean if universe packages can get lifted to main ?04:58
Goshawkexcuse my english04:58
ograGoshawk: if required, yes04:58
ograGoshawk: mine isnt much better ;)04:58
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lamontamu: ccache errors during the build should get a bug filed and assigned to me.05:04
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dholbachhey lamont05:06
jon1012I just installed the hoary preview on one of my computers, and I works great, no problem seen for me :)05:07
dholbachlamont: i'm trying to tackle some of http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseUnmetDeps, and try to figure out, why drscheme didn't get built on amd64?05:07
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lamontdholbach: PaS update needed05:08
dholbacherm... PaS?05:08
lamont%drscheme: alpha i386 powerpc                                         # version 103 does not support other archs05:09
lamontamd64 is specifically excluded, and should be added to the file - bug elmo05:09
lamontI assume that it does, in fact, build on amd6405:09
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dholbachstupid me... i thought i read amd64 in the architecture line05:10
lamontit's quite possible05:10
dholbachsorry for bugging, i'll check if it works again05:10
ogralamont: do you have any idea how it can happen that someone is able to upload, recieves katie replys, but none of the mails get forwarded to hoary-changes ?05:10
ogralamont, the packages build ine and seem to appear in the build logs as well as inthe archives05:11
ografine even05:11
crimsun(that someone being me)05:11
ogracrimsun, i think we'll have to wait for elmo then....05:14
crimsunogra: np, I'll just continue my Xorg march :-)05:14
crimsun2 of 4 done05:14
crimsundoing afterstep now05:14
ograheh, wipe the dust away before you upload ;)05:15
dholbachlamont: bye *wave*05:18
zenwhenwow the livecd has gotten REALLY slick05:22
mxpxpoddholbach: have you updated gconfmm to 2.10.0?05:23
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dholbachmxpxpod: yes05:25
mxpxpoddholbach: awesome05:25
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smurfixRosetta bugs ("A system error occurred") go where?05:43
ogramalone ?05:43
dholbach#rosetta ? malone/product/rosetta?05:43
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Treenaksmjg59: You know a bit about ACPI, right?05:46
dholbachok... i'm out with my dog... see you later05:46
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mjg59Treenaks: Yeah06:14
mjg59What's up?06:14
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Treenaksmjg59: I have a Compaq Armada E500 here, with a kernel panic somewhere in ACPI when I press the volume up/down buttons06:20
zulheh sounds familar06:20
Treenaksmjg59: I'll get a dump of the panic tomorrow (when I have a serial cable)06:20
mjg59Treenaks: Oh, cool06:20
Treenakscool? :)06:21
Treenaksthe buttons are located in an annoying place, I crash the machine all the time :)06:21
mjg59That you have a trace, rather than it just falling over silently06:22
Treenaksah ok :)06:23
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mdkei am about to file a bug but thought maybe to ask here06:25
mdkei have a strange problem. When i disactivate and activate a network device, something goes screwy and gnome gets weird on me. I can't logout, gnome-terminal crashes before I can open it, evolution takes 5 minutes to load, and I can't open any system-tools. Can anyone help?06:25
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mxpxpodtseng: ping06:39
blueturtleanyone here run Eclipse?06:39
wasabiheh why do you need?06:45
wasabiactually #ubuntu might be better06:45
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blueturtleah, i'm just wondering about command line specifics06:45
blueturtlewhen i run /usr/local/eclipse/eclipse06:45
blueturtleit runs fine, but if i put that into a launcher, it fails06:46
wasabimind msging me or talking in #ubuntu?06:46
blueturtlesry, thought eclipse would fall under dev06:46
wasabiWell, this is more for developing Ubuntu itself.06:47
blueturtleah ok06:48
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makojdub: hey dude, you can create the brazilian ubuntu mailing list?06:58
crimsundaniels: around?06:58
crimsuncrap, he's probably asleep06:58
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dholbachhi mako06:59
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robertjany thoughts on making the livecd background during hardware detection another color besides blue?07:03
makodholbach: hola07:03
tritiumHi mako 07:04
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HiddenWolfwill there ever be more than one ubuntu theme to choose from? :)07:13
robertjok, on the live cd, and on my desktop as well, using the connect to server dialog creates the connection but won't connect, giving an error about not having a handler, but clicking it on the desktop works, does this go to bugzilla.gnome.org or bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org?07:15
HiddenWolfrobertj: I'd file it in ubuntu, they can always take it upstream07:17
mxpxpodfabbione: ping07:26
zulmxpxpod: he's gone for the day07:28
mxpxpodah, ok07:28
mxpxpodzul: thanks :)07:29
mxpxpodthom: ping07:29
mxpxpodzul: don't tell me he's gone as well :)07:29
zulmxpxpod: not sure im not the information booth ;)07:29
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zuland im gone now as well :)07:30
makotritium: hey dude07:33
ograhttp://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net hoary-backports/main Packages 07:34
ograits not even out yet07:34
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zenwhendredg, half of my packages refused to upgrade07:38
zenwhenI clean installed.07:38
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zenwhenhoary's repos lack nothing I need.07:39
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robertjogra: speaking of unofficial packages, hula works nicely07:40
ograrobertj: which one did you try ? the one thats in revoew for universe ?07:40
ograreview even07:41
stuNNedogra: lol07:41
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dredgstrongly disagree with all of it but hey07:42
robertjI googled for hula debs, found a site that said the person doing them was on hoary and testing on sid - deb http://www.eurobob.eclipse.co.uk/hula 07:43
ograhoary-backports -- Stable, tested updated packages for Ubuntu Hoary (5.04)07:44
ograthat one really scares me07:44
mantienadaniels: hi are you online ?07:45
ograrobertj: here are the packages that will soon get include in universe: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUNewPackages07:45
robertjwhat is rkae07:46
robertjerr rake07:46
ograno idea :)07:46
dredgso anyone want to start a 'universe package a day' writeup? :)07:48
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thullyanyone here who does universe/multiverse work?  I had a few questions/requests...08:26
pvhthully: $ubuntu-motu08:27
pvhthully: s/$/#/08:27
pvhSo this morning Evolution stopped working, apparently because I don't have libgtkhtml3.6-15 installed.08:31
pvhUnfortunately, there is no installation candidate for that library.08:31
pvhAh, this fixed it:08:34
pvhsudo ln /usr/lib/libgtkhtml-3.6.so /usr/lib/libgtkhtml-3.6.so.1508:34
dredglooks old08:34
dredgmy evolution depends on libgtkhtml3.6-18 (>= 3.6.0)08:34
pvhI just did an apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade08:34
pvhdredg: That was my first thought too.08:35
pvhdredg: What Evolution do you have installed?08:37
pvhYeah, same here.08:37
pvhDo you have a /usr/lib/libgtkhtml-3.6.so.15 file?08:38
dredgniall@malkovich:~(0)$ ldd `which evolution`|grep gtkhtml08:38
dredg        libgtkhtml-3.6.so.18 => /usr/lib/libgtkhtml-3.6.so.18 (0xb7890000)08:38
pvhdredg: Ditto.08:39
pvhdredg: but I imagine it's one of the other modules in evolution.08:39
dredgyes i do08:39
pvhdredg: Would you be willing to rename it for a moment to see if you can duplicate the behaviour?08:39
dredgniall@malkovich:~(0)$ dpkg -S libgtkhtml-3.6.so.1508:40
dredglibgtkhtml3.6-15: /usr/lib/libgtkhtml-3.6.so.15.2.008:40
dredglibgtkhtml3.6-15: /usr/lib/libgtkhtml-3.6.so.1508:40
pvhI haven't got it. :)08:41
pvhNor are there installation candidates in any of the hoary repositories.08:41
dredgi've moved that lib elsewhere08:42
dredgevolution starts fine08:42
pvhCuriouser and curiouser.08:43
pvhI'd like to file a good bug report for this one. Have you got any other ideas what might be going on?08:43
dredgtried an strace?08:44
pvhNo, I'm not sure what that is or how to use it.08:44
pvhBut I am reading the man page.08:44
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pvhdredg: Well, I think whatever the problem is runs deeper than I have time to understand.08:51
pvhdredg: I'll just file it without a solution.08:51
pvhThanks for your help.08:52
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JStrikeNot a totally #ubuntu-devel appropriate question, but nevertheless. gnome-app-install dies on startup complaining that "ValueError: unknown locale: en_ZA". Is this a bug in gnome-app-install or in python?10:35
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mdzJStrike: neither; it typically means that your locale hasn't been generated.  make sure you have language-pack-en installed10:46
kenthmm, is not update-manager in rosetta?10:47
JStrikemdz : Thanks10:48
moochthe new gnome does not show focus on a maximized window when cycling with alt-tab10:49
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moochthe non-maxied windows show a black line around the windows10:50
moochthe maxied one does not10:50
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robertjmdz: the bug I talked to you about yesterday and you were unable to duplicate was duplicated by mean today on the LiveCD and by a rawhide user in #gnome, it's filed at http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17024211:29
robertjNot an ubuntu thing, but I'm very dissapointed for not catching this earlier. Apparently if you have keys setup for the remote host it doesn't b0rk. 11:30
Riddellhow does gnome-volume-manager mount things when it isn't root?11:33
tsengRiddell: it uses pmount11:33
tsengRiddell: which you probably haev a manpage for, its an suid mount wrapper11:33
Riddelltseng: yep, thanks11:34
seb128lamont: here ?11:34
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ograseb128: ping11:52
ograpitti gave me #6003, do you still see this behavior ?11:53
ogra6002 even11:53
seb128ogra: lemme try11:56
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seb128ogra: seems to work12:00
ogragreat, here too12:01
ograseb128, so i'll ask thom tomorrow, and if he's fine too, i'll close it, thanks for testing :)12:01

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