[12:04] interesting... [12:04] svenl: ping? === srbaker [~srbaker@blk-222-52-156.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === GheRivero [~ghe@81.172.88.219] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Alessio [~Alessio@host113-4.pool8251.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === YokoZar [~scott@d160-104-la-rue-2.ucdavis.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sid77 [~sid77@ppp-111-174.30-151.libero.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:43] hi [12:52] Ok, I'm writing a scrollkeeper OMF file to put the Wine documentation in a standard place so it's viewable from the help menu. The trouble is I'm having trouble figuring out what category to place it in from the list at ( /usr/share/scrollkeeper/Templates/C/scrollkeeper_cl.xml ) - is it possible to add an entry to that list, or is there one I should pick from? [12:53] YokoZar: the doc team just finished a meeting in #ubuntu-meeting, probably there someone can help [12:53] Thank you === Goshawk [~Goshawk@host242-121.pool8259.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === froud is now known as froud-away === Keybuk [~scott@syndicate.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sid77 [~sid77@ppp-111-174.30-151.libero.it] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Don't] === jk [~jochem@jkossen.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdke [~matt@mdke.user] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === Treenaks_ [martijn@facecrime.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AndyFitz [~andy@220-245-97-227-qld-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lupusBE [~lupus@dD57729BC.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thully [~thully@54.sub-166-155-49.myvzw.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === koke [~koke@rm-001-26.serve.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stuNNed [~stuNNed@stunned.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:10] clearlooks is the sexiest gtk engine ever [03:10] probably no chance of getting it into hoary... but damn thats a shame. [03:11] what do you mean.. hoary preview uses clearlooks [03:12] niall@malkovich:~(0)$ dpkg -l gtk2-engines-clearlooks|grep ^ii [03:12] ii gtk2-engines-c 0.4-0ubuntu2 ClearLooks theme === AndyFitz drools [03:12] hehe [03:13] copy this gtkrc into your clearlooks human folder... http://andy.fitzsimon.com.au/gtk-2.0/gtkrc its a quick colourmod I did to make it look more like industrial. [03:13] AndyFitz: both ubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-artwork depend on gtk2-engines-clearlooks [03:13] its just so professional. all the widgets look sexy [03:14] crimsun, I thought we were using industrial by default ? [03:17] Who do I have to go to to get a package moved from multiverse to universe? [03:17] I just freed it. [03:18] wasabi: maybe the TB *shrug* [03:18] TB=? [03:18] technical board [03:18] oye. [03:19] wasabi: you'll need to include documentation of the new license and a copy of the conversation, too [03:19] It's not a license problem. [03:19] It was contrib previously [03:19] in debian [03:19] main now? [03:19] Will be if it EVER gets thru new. [03:20] I hear NEW in debian is pretty backed up though. :0 [03:20] (I am in close touch with the debian maintainers) [03:20] wasabi: we're not debian :-) [03:20] yes yes yes, doesn't change the fact though. [03:20] It's only in multiverse because of a previous dependency. It is not a license problem. === jammcq [~jam@pcp09022402pcs.watrfd01.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:21] if you tell it the right people in that way everything should be fine [03:22] i dont follow? [03:22] TB I can follow. ;) [03:34] good night everyone [03:34] night daniel === stub [~stub@dsl-246.248.240.220.dsl.comindico.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:35] probably not worth TB, a mail to ubuntu-devel would be sufficient [03:35] bye crimsun === tseng [~tseng@thegrebs.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:31] hi all === Cym [~zero@dialup-4.246.90.186.Dial1.SanJose1.Level3.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ne1 [~davie@ip213040153241.adsl.supanet.net.uk] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [05:10] Kamion: ping, re: LCA registration === AndyFitz [~andy@220-245-97-227-qld-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AndyFitz [~andy@220-245-97-227-qld-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === jamesh [~james@203-59-82-98.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === eb0x [~chris@eb0x.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AndyFitz [~andy@220-245-97-227-qld-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thully [~thully@54.sub-166-155-49.myvzw.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === whiprush [25029bb466@arslinux.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tuo2 [~foo@218-215-7-146.people.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ace2001ac [~acharles@185.245.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tritium [~rimbert@12-202-90-180.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tuo2 [~foo@218-215-7-146.people.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:39] fabbione: pong === tuo2 [~foo@218-215-7-146.people.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tritium [~rimbert@12-202-90-180.client.insightBB.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === mantiena [~ubuntu@193.219.14.141] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:14] hi all === gabaug [~gabe@216-43-99-149.dsl.mcleodusa.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabdfl [~mark@host217-37-231-22.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === `anthony [~anthony@220-253-31-237.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:28] morning [08:29] mdz: ping? [08:29] svenl: ping? [08:30] fabbione: here or on d-k ? [08:30] here.. it's ubuntu related :-) [08:30] mind to look at this: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/m/mplayer/1:1.0-pre6-0.3ubuntu6/mplayer_1:1.0-pre6-0.3ubuntu6_20050312-1837-powerpc-failed [08:30] and tell me if you have any idea of why it fails? [08:31] it's really a strange error (for me at leat) [08:34] urk, mplayer, never used this one, i thought it was borderline non-free. [08:35] svenl: it's in multiverse [08:35] not main [08:35] it had a very broken build rules [08:35] I would say bad altivec code at first sight, can you ask me again tomorrow ? Today is my wife's birthday and i promised not to code overmuch :) [08:35] yesterday i unfucked it a bit [08:35] and managed to get amd64 out [08:35] sure! [08:35] daniels: hi could you explain me some things about driver autodetection in yours xorg packages ? [08:36] svenl: have a nice day ;) [08:36] fabbione: hehe. [08:45] fabbione: does mplayer on amd64 do everything that mplayer on i386 does? [08:45] fabbione: or do you lose some functionality? [08:46] ace2001ac: no idea. it builds. that's all i know [08:46] clearly there are no codecs around [08:47] so it is automatically limited [08:47] fabbione: ah, cool [08:50] it would be even more cool if they stopped this codec madness ages ago [08:51] I NEED TO FART! === x4m [~max@165.226-200-80.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:51] fabbione: pong [08:51] *** please install the new farting codec from www.fart.com *** [08:52] mdz: morning :-) [08:52] mdz: i wrote it in the mail ;) [08:52] i had the feeling you were asleep [08:52] it is later than I thought, but i am not asleep yet [08:52] hehe [08:53] mdz: i am afraid your approach will slow down the process to hell [08:53] fabbione: i agree, i would prefer open codecs for everyone :) [08:53] that's what i am scared off [08:53] mdz: i think we can find another solution on the way of langpacks instead [08:53] mdz: exposing a tarball from the buildd that can be fetched by everyone [08:53] that is much more complicated than I think it needs to be [08:54] mdz: it is more complicated the other way imho [08:54] specially for arches in "port in progress" [08:54] where we have no access [08:54] and i am not talking about sparc here :-) [08:54] but more generally [08:54] the architecture is not very important, as far as I am concerned [08:55] it is not necessary to do builds on every architecture [08:55] indeed it is [08:55] the ABI file is per arch per flavour [08:55] or subarch [08:55] the ABI has been broken several times already in hoary [08:55] or whatever you want to call it [08:55] and 0 of those times have been arch-specific [08:55] well that's because we have never seen nvidia on ppc [08:55] the point of this exercise is to catch the common mistake [08:55] or stuff like that [08:56] yes i understand your point but since we are doing it, let's do it full feature [08:57] take into account that such manual requirement can delay an upload up to 4 hours [08:57] I don't want to get involved with transferring this data in and out of the buildds when something simpler would meet the realistic requirements [08:58] (due to ppc) [08:58] and i am talking for one build. [08:58] if that build breaks the ABI the upload will take ages [08:58] either to find what breaks [08:58] or to change the ABI === gabaug [~gabe@216-43-99-149.dsl.mcleodusa.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:01] otherwise i think we should defer this for hoary+1 [09:01] and discuss at UDU how to implement it so that it is an easy tool to use [09:02] by all means, let's discuss for hoary+1 how to do it the way that you want [09:02] but for now, we can implement it as I propose and get significant benefit [09:03] ok i will see with the other guys [09:03] and what they think about ti [09:03] we can't break the ABI this way anymore in Hoary; it disrupts development and testing too much [09:03] the current set of live CDs are broken because of it [09:04] didn't they sync with -27 ? [09:05] no [09:05] it requires a d-i build and byhand upload [09:05] humpf... [09:05] mdz: I've patch'ed casper's package to have installation mode - added boolean casper/install-mode variable into template and when this variable is set to yes, then: [09:05] 1. all casper's post.d scripts are disabled [09:05] 2. "pivot_root . initrd" and "kill -USR1 1" are not executed in casper-udeb.postinst [09:05] 3. "umount /target", ""mkdir /source" and "mount /dev/mappper/casper-snapshot /source" are executed at the end of casper-udeb.postinst [09:05] (look at http://www.gnoppix.org/wiki/index.php/LiveCDInstaller ) [09:05] could you add my patch to official casper package ? then ubuntu-based liveCD distributions could have a posibility to install liveCD to hard disk without patching casper's package every time, when new casper version is released [09:06] mdz: but d-i is builded daily, so it should be there [09:06] mantiena: not for Hoary, but I already planned to implement such a feature for Hoary+1 [09:06] ideally the livecd should be able to use it [09:07] mdz: how about this: [09:07] fabbione: it is built daily, but it isn't installed until elmo byhands it [09:07] and often elmo can't do this until after the daily CD build [09:07] ah ok... [09:07] honestly, the best solution is not to break the kernel [09:07] it is not only the CDs, but user systems [09:07] yes i agree on that :-)) [09:07] i suggest this approach [09:08] we can add an -abi package to distribute the last built abi [09:08] at least for people without porting machine access [09:08] we do NOT build-dep on it [09:08] daniels: i spoke some with benh, and it seems that if there is one monitor, it will always be edid1, independently on which port is it connected. [09:08] but at least the abi are available for download from the archive [09:08] it would make it easier the development [09:09] daniels: there will be a change to these things later on, but this will be post-hoary, and we need to rework xresprobe to do proper multi-headed stuff though. [09:09] in case of a dumb upload the abi checker will make the kernel FTBFS [09:09] so there is actually no breakage [09:09] it can't perform the check without build-depending on the package [09:09] which is why I specified that it should go in the source package [09:09] mdz: no it is still the maintainer job to grab the abi's and put them in proper source [09:10] but it gets easier than going around porting machine and fetching them manually [09:10] what has been built must still be copied in the source [09:10] just a simpler way to distribute them around [09:11] I had good reasons for specifying it the way that I did, and paramount among them was simplicity [09:11] yes but again.. i don't want to build-dep on it [09:11] it's just to make it easier to have the abi files available [09:12] but if you don't like it.. ok. we can live with that [09:12] for hoary, let's do it my way, and in UDU, you can take responsibility for specifying the second iteration [09:12] ok === dholbach [~daniel@td9091a4a.pool.terralink.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:13] hai [09:13] mdz: but my patch doesn't nothing if variable casper/install-mode is set to no (default is no), so it would break anythink in hoary [09:13] it's very simple, only one if and else ;) [09:13] mantiena: we are at 3 weeks from release [09:13] mantiena: we are a full month into feature freeze, please respect the release cycle [09:13] each patch means a big round of testing [09:14] I like the idea; as I said, I had already planned to implement this for hoary+1 [09:14] but your implementation is not complete, and I see no reason to force it into hoary [09:15] mdz: what I should complete ? [09:16] mantiena: from looking at your wiki page (why is this in the gnoppix wiki rather than the Ubuntu wiki where I would have seen it?), you don't configure the base system at all [09:16] there is no partitioner [09:16] /etc/inittab will be completely inappropriate for the installed system [09:16] mdz: it seems you don't understand me [09:17] ubuntu-installer already has partitioner [09:17] not on the live CD it doesn't [09:20] mdz: it's not my problem, because older live CD versions (until array-5) contained all needed udebs for installation [09:20] mantiena: that was a bug which has since been fixed [09:21] mdz: I don't call it a bug ;) [09:21] well, that's what it was [09:22] why you think, that /etc/inittab will be completely inappropriate for the installed system ? [09:22] because you copy it from the live CD [09:22] according to your wiki page [09:23] filesystem.cloop has bad inittab ? [09:23] oh, you disable post.d [09:23] so the language is not configured, etc. [09:23] hehe :-P [09:24] <_d4vid> hi all [09:24] mantiena: here is how we implement features in Ubuntu [09:24] first we establish requirements [09:24] then we write a specification [09:24] these are discussed among developers [09:24] and then we write the code [09:25] mdz: I already wrote specifications at http://www.gnoppix.org/wiki/index.php/LiveCDInstaller :) [09:25] from the beginning the feature is targeted for a release, and is incorporated at the appropriate time in the releasae cycle [09:25] we do not take a feature, which appears from nowhere, and drop it into the release at the last minute [09:25] this is a post-Hoary feature [09:26] mdz: ok, but maybe you could just add my patch into casper sources and don't enable it at build time ? [09:26] mantiena: why? === Alessio [~Alessio@host113-4.pool8251.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:27] mantiena: if you are looking for acknowledgement of your work, thank you, I think it is very interesting [09:27] but it does not belong in hoary, it will need to wait [09:28] my patch simply modifies 3 files: [09:28] http://files.akl.lt/incoming/casper/casper-check.templates [09:28] http://files.akl.lt/incoming/casper/S60casper-check [09:28] http://files.akl.lt/incoming/casper/casper-udeb.postinst [09:29] I have said no, and I will not be pressured on this [09:29] give up mantiena :) [09:30] don't give up, just be patient and work according to our schedule [09:30] it's hard to work with ubuntu developers - they don't want to accept others work, there are no CVS, SVN where other developers could put patches :( [09:31] the former is demonstrably false [09:31] mdz: so, where I should put my patch to be visible ? [09:31] it is true that we do not have a centralized revision control repository, but the fact that there are many people already collaborating on Ubuntu shows that this is not a requirement [09:31] mantiena: where would you put it if we had a CVS repository? [09:32] mdz: in CVS [09:32] mantiena: it would not go in CVS for the same reason that it won't go in the Hoary package [09:33] you guys could do with a bunch of darcs repos [09:33] mantiena could publish and ubuntu could pull when ready [09:33] sm: we're converging on arch [09:33] ah [09:33] we just don't have everything imported at this point [09:33] it will happen, though [09:33] I have been meaning to import casper; I just haven't had time to do it properly [09:34] mantiena: if I put casper in arch, so that you could branch and publish your patch that way, would that help you? [09:34] mdz: YES [09:37] my live CD was based on morphix framework and it was great to work together with morphix developers, because they don't force me to follow to they shedule, I always could add my work to official CVS repository if not in main branch, then in another ;) [09:38] and then other developers could review and test my work. [09:38] morphix doesn't have a schedule [09:39] and so far in your dealings with Ubuntu, you have been aggressive, uncooperative and impolite [09:40] mdz: I'm simple [09:41] I'm not very good in english, but this was not a problem with lots of other projects, which I work together [09:41] mdz: I'm not aggresive and not uncooperative [09:42] I simply tell what I think [09:42] maybe not in perfect english language === tuo2 [~foo@218-215-7-146.people.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:51] mdz: I'm always happy to critique, so if you see any problem you can tell me. [09:51] If you put casper in arch, cvs, svn or something and allow me to put code to separate branch it would be very good for me (and for other developers, like amu from gnoppix). [09:51] Maybe then there will be less communication problems between us ? ;) [09:51] mantiena: baz register-archive http://people.ubuntu.com/~mdz/archives/matt.zimmerman@canonical.com--2004 [09:53] mantiena: I had intended to do it for some time anyway === mantiena goes to learn arch === mantiena never tried arch ;) [09:54] mantiena: so if you had asked for it, rather than accusing Ubuntu of being hard to work with, that would have been more productive [09:54] it is very easy to set up [09:54] yes [09:54] but I am extraordinarily busy, and I am trying to have a weekend off [09:54] mdz: I'm happy, that you allow me to work togerher [09:55] mdz: you didn't have much of a success up til now ;) === fabbione kicks mdz out of the internet [09:55] fabbione: and I still am not; I end up spending my weekend arguing with mantiena [09:55] mdz: go and rest dude [09:55] mdz: if there is anything important i will send you an sms [09:55] mdz: yeah... have a nice weekend [09:56] I am trying to promote understanding and cooperation :-P [09:56] mdz: i am cooperating to let you have a weekend [09:56] go out of here [09:56] and relax [09:56] otherwise i am going to break you in a few pieces at UDU [09:56] :P [09:56] you must rest [09:57] fabbione: you forgot the exclamation marks [09:57] exclamation marks are not necessary === doko [~doko___@dsl-084-059-050-022.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:58] hi doko [09:59] mdz I am giving you an electronic weekend over the internet so you don't need to find one ok? === Crushed_Cigar [~zinc@adsl-68-126-42-185.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:59] YokoZar: thanks, but there is no electronic substitute :-) [10:00] We can still be eFriends right? === HiddenWolf [~hidden@136.34.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:02] good morning all [10:02] morning === rubenv [~lambda1@83-134-127-140.Leuven.GoPlus.FastDSL.tiscali.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:03] hi doko [10:12] hehe, it seems arch in debian is *very* outdated (more than 3 years old. :( ) [10:14] mantiena: that's why all the cool kids use Ubuntu ;-) [10:15] mantiena: apt-get install bazaar === GheRivero [~ghe@81.172.88.104] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:18] rubenv: ubuntu doesn't have arch package :-P [10:18] mdz: ok, it seems at least arch package description in debian should be updated ;) [10:18] tla is also available [10:18] mantiena: don't be ridiculous [10:19] mantiena: ubuntu has both tla and bazaar, the two main implementations of arch [10:19] Debian does also [10:19] Debian's tla is slightly more up-to-date, and Ubuntu's bazaar is slightly more up-to-date [10:20] (but main is in freeze now) [10:20] GheRivero: hi, how things are going in spain ? [10:21] mdz: I don't wanna waste your time, but in any case if some user (who never tried arch) want's to use arch then first thing he tries is apt-get install arch ;) [10:22] mantiena: a new time user should rather read a guide on how to use it [10:22] and that guide will always mention tla/baz [10:22] rubenv: yea, that's why I installed arch [10:23] rubenv: and read files in /usr/share/doc/arch [10:23] a website always contains better info dude :-) [10:23] hi mantiena! really good! [10:23] and there? === rubenv out to breakfast [10:25] rubenv: and noticed, that they are more than 3 years old and don't mention not tla nor baz :( === tuo2 [~foo@218-215-7-146.people.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:27] GheRivero: in Lithuanian not so good - fucking government publish almost all document to Lithuanian people only in fucking MS Office formats, also lots of public sector's web pages work only with fucking MS IE :(((((((( [10:28] that's a problem,a big problem [10:29] mdz: err, sorry about #7556. If Malone's ready, I'll use that instead. [10:32] yea, in lithuanian there is a law for government institutions that they should publish all document also in open formats, but majority (about 95%) of government institutions don't follow this law :( [10:32] so even when people buy computer with linux, they are forced to buy or pirate M$ Windows, because they simply can't fill tax form or read info from public sectors web pages with Linux :( === sm [~simon@lsanca1-ar5-4-60-060-085.lsanca1.dsl-verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [10:36] mantiena: luckily the EU has put some clout behind legislation that all documents should be oss formats === enrico [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Cym [~zero@dialup-4.246.60.2.Dial1.SanJose1.Level3.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === HiddenWolf [~hidden@136.34.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === niran [~niran@lucianus.Stanford.EDU] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:57] mithrandir: around? [10:58] yes [10:59] can you reproduce the libdl.so error, after removing ia32-libs? [10:59] which libdl.so error? [11:00] #7542 and #7543 [11:02] given that I haven't read email yet today, no, I haven't seen them and haven't analyzed them. [11:05] HiddenWolf: in our country such law is active about 2 years, but problem is, that institutions don't follow law :( [11:05] haggai: you are openoffice.org maintainer, right ? [11:06] doko: give me time to eat some breakfast and I'll look at it afterwards. [11:08] does anybody know the specification of the amd64-buildd? [11:08] dholbach: they are big fat mother fuckers :) [11:08] just want to estimate how long the ACE build is going to take on my box [11:09] *cry* it took nearly 1,5h on the buildd [11:12] Mithrandir: thanks [11:14] fabbione: i like your explicit use of language, it makes things less virtual :-) [11:14] dholbach: ??? [11:14] in reference to what? [11:14] fabbione: "big fat mother fuckers" :-) [11:14] ahhhh [11:15] i am pretty famous for that [11:15] yeah... thanks for that :-) [11:15] Mith and thom know :-) [11:16] i was nearly lying on the floor, when you talked about dildos, goatse and CAN [11:17] ahaha === Treenaks_ is now known as Treenaks [11:27] dholbach: iirc, they are dual 246 or 248s with 2G of memory and decent disk systems. [11:28] 246 doesnt tell me anything [11:29] 246 is opteron at 2.0GHz [11:29] but sounds like it's about to take 4 hours at my place or something [11:29] depends on whether the build uses both CPUs or not. [11:29] just for a one-line-change [11:31] dholbach: then wait untill you've changed more lines. :) [11:32] somebody hand me a club... a big one please ;-) === Simira [~simira@16.80-202-208.nextgentel.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mithrandir drops a club on dholbach's foot. [11:33] HiddenWolf: run! ;-) === Krystof [~csr21@84-51-129-62.christ605.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:34] fabbione: mplayer seems to be a happy badger here [11:35] dholbach: ;) [11:36] oh... it's about to finish... "only" 2,5h :-) *YAY* === Goshawk [~Goshawk@host175-108.pool8251.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:37] doko: does hoary support the Fritz!DSL adapters now? === froud-away is now known as froud === froud [~froud@ndn-165-131-237.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AndyFitz [~andy@220-245-97-227-qld-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === froud is now known as froud-away [11:39] Mithrandir: yes [11:40] Mithrandir: not yet on amd64 === froud-away is now known as froud === froud is now known as froud-away [11:48] doko: ok, cool. Out of the box? [11:48] If so, I'm pondering doing a reinstall of my router. [11:50] well, you have still to edit /etc/isdn/capi.conf to uncomment one line ... === carlos [~carlos@69.Red-80-33-181.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:53] sure, I have a working system so I can duplicate most stuff from there. === jani [~pet@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:17] wasabi: is there a need for this really_long_usr_lib_jdk_home_path_that_nobody_can_remember pathname in java-gcj-compat ? === mantiena [~ubuntu@193.219.14.141] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:20] haggai: you are openoffice.org maintainer, right ? === HiddenWolf [~hidden@136.34.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:26] mithrandir: how do you let a buildd think it runs on i386 instead in a i386 chroot on amd64. unfortunately uname -m tells the truth ... [12:27] linux32 === koke [~koke@rm-001-26.serve.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-169-124.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === koke [~koke@rm-001-26.serve.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mirak [~mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-37-109.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:52] thom: Got some new crack for power management [12:52] elmo: jackass say "ccache: failed to create (null)/.ccache (No such file or directory)" http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/b/blender/2.36-1ubuntu1/blender_2.36-1ubuntu1_20050313-1139-i386-failed === dholbach [~daniel@td9091a4a.pool.terralink.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:56] mjg59: did you find out why sleep doesnt work on a ibook? === Crushed_Cigar [~zinc@adsl-68-126-42-185.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:58] amu: Which ibook? [12:58] How does it fail? [12:58] amu: hi [12:59] mjg59: ibook g4 ... resume doesnt work correctly, after awacke, there's a black screen [12:59] mantiena: hi [01:00] amu: Try disabling DRI and GLX in your X configuration === amu tries [01:05] d [01:10] mjg59: great, works! only a problem, if a usb-stick is plugined [01:15] amu: Ok. What sort of ibook is it? === kagou [~kagou@84.4.174.165] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:19] is there a way to allow a new installation to keep the /home directory ? (single partition) [01:26] mjg59: ibook G4 1200mhz (287), revision 1.2, 12" === m_tthew [matt@iorek.ice-nine.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:27] Radeon 9200? [01:28] yep 9200 M9+ rev.01, RV250, 5c63 [01:29] kagou: yes [01:29] mantiena, could you explain me ? [01:43] yes ;) === Seveas [dennis@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === niran [~niran@lucianus.Stanford.EDU] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:04] fabbione: ubuntu bug #3609 is assigned to you, what you think about solving this bug ? [02:05] currently ubuntu users can't work with firewire devices :( === mjg59 [mjg59@cavan.codon.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jon1012 [~jon@AMontsouris-151-1-48-234.w82-123.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jon1012 [~jon@AMontsouris-151-1-48-234.w82-123.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === koke_ [~koke@rm-001-26.serve.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === koke [~koke@rm-001-26.serve.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === koke_ is now known as koke === HiddenWolf [~hidden@136.34.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === niran [~niran@lucianus.Stanford.EDU] has joined #ubuntu-devel === froud-away [~froud@ndn-165-131-237.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === niran [~niran@lucianus.Stanford.EDU] has joined #ubuntu-devel === srbaker [~srbaker@blk-222-52-156.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jani [~pet@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kagou [~kagou@84.4.174.165] has joined #ubuntu-devel === HiddenWolf [~hidden@136.34.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mjg59 [mjg59@cavan.codon.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:56] what is that entire mess with libhowl? [02:56] license mess [02:56] some part of it was licensed under some non-free apple license === lunitik [~trey@ip68-230-75-109.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:02] Thank you to whoever pushed for Clearlooks as default theme, good choice :) === lunitik also appears to have found ClearlooksHuman 8) === mantiena [~ubuntu@193.219.14.141] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:03] fabbione: are you online ? === HiddenWolf [~hidden@136.34.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:04] lunitik: thank our sabdfl :) [03:06] ogra, 8-) (still wonder what that means though) [03:06] lunitik: self applied dictator for life [03:06] lunitik: Mark Shuttleworth === lunitik points at the B... [03:06] you don't have that covered ;) [03:06] benevolent === lunitik knew who it was though ;) [03:07] oh, shame on me, benevolent indeed [03:08] Still cool though to see the person responsible for Ubuntu online with the users and devels though :) === seb128 [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-45-140.w83-196.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === koke [~koke@rm-001-26.serve.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:14] elmo: pwlib / gnomemeeting syncs please === thierry [~t@modemcable193.13-202-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:15] Hi, I'd like to make a new ubuntu package for the new version of gdesklets (0.34.1) can anyone give an url or advices how to do this? [03:16] oh, nice [03:16] gdesklets is looking for a new maintainer :) [03:17] lol [03:17] seb128: "more than 2G memory recommended"? ;) [03:17] I've planned to mail about some GNOME stuff that need a maintainer === moyogo [~moyogo@Toronto-HSE-ppp3717779.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:17] thierry: you could join #ubuntu-motu :-) [03:17] Mithrandir: gdesklets is really crap [03:17] seb128: no shit? :) [03:18] upstream break compatibility and user configuration every 2 new versions [03:18] seb128: you are gnome-system-tools maintainer ? [03:18] seb128: we put nautilus-media on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MorgueCandidates? [03:18] thierry: thats a very brave attempt, respect :) [03:18] the desklets are a collection of quick and dirty python stuff wroten by guys who don't know how to program, just do a quick hack and don't maintain it [03:18] etc [03:19] seb128: hope it's ok [03:19] dholbach: read the list and bugzilla please [03:19] mantiena: correct [03:20] hey seb [03:20] dholbach: there is a bug in bugzilla about nautilus-media [03:20] seb128: could we reflect this decision in gnome-desktop-environment? [03:20] mantiena: i am now, but not for long [03:20] the gnome package needs to work to, if somebody wants to send a patch he's welcome [03:20] hi fabbione [03:21] basically we have gnome from debian 2.8 [03:21] gnome/gnome-desktop-environment/... etc [03:21] I don't really care since we use ubuntu-desktop [03:21] seb128: there is one problem for desktop users in users-admin tool - they create a new user with users-admin, but newly created user can't work with audio, cdrom, various usb devices, etc, because newly created user isn't added to needed groups as default [03:21] seb128: i am getting this building a bunch of packages on sparc: [03:21] /bin/sed: can't read /usr/lib/libhowl.la: No such file or directory [03:21] fabbione: ubuntu bug #3609 is assigned to you, what you think about solving this bug ? [03:22]