[02:33] <mdke> hmm
[02:33] <mdke> anyone awake?
[02:35] <mdke> sm, ping
[02:35] <sm> hello
[02:35] <mdke> oh wow
[02:35] <mdke> great
[02:35] <mdke> sm, i'm wondering about the icons
[02:35] <mdke> the previous markup had these features
[02:36] <mdke>    :scale: 100
[02:36] <mdke>    :alt: IconHandPointing where did the picture go?
[02:36] <mdke>    :align: left
[02:36] <mdke> i'm thinking perhaps moinmoin doesn't?
[02:36] <sm> right 
[02:36] <sm> those are restructured text features
[02:36] <mdke> ok
[02:36] <mdke> so no way to recreate alt or align?
[02:36] <sm> afaik moin can include an image, link it, and that's all
[02:36] <mdke> ok thats cool
[02:37] <sm> you might ask on #moin to be sure
[02:37] <mdke> i just wanted to know before I deleted those references
[02:37] <mdke> ok i will
[02:39] <mdke> thanks sm
[02:39] <sm> mdke, fyi: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/pagesByType
[02:39] <sm> and http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/wikiStats
[02:39] <mdke> ok brilliant
[02:40] <mdke> i can only view the first one, but that in itself is already useful
[02:42] <sm> oh.. can you see the second now ?
[02:43] <mdke> yes
[02:43] <mdke> ty
[02:45] <sm> np
[02:45] <mdke> sm, seems it can't be done without a macro
[02:45] <sm> ok.. which we don't support yet
[02:45] <mdke> fair play
[02:46] <mdke> it is planned to add them?
[02:46] <mdke> the macro would be macro/ImageLink.py btw
[02:46] <mdke> "HTML IMG tag attributes (width, height, alt, etc)are supported."
[02:47] <mdke> that would be so cool
[02:49] <mdke> paste:
[02:49] <mdke> mdke i think that our wiki does not support macros
[02:49] <mdke> mdke that is what I am told
[02:49] <mdke> xorAxAx URL?
[02:49] <mdke> mdke http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki
[02:49] <mdke> mdke it is zwiki
[02:49] <mdke> mdke in plone
[02:49] <mdke> xorAxAx yeah.
[02:49] <mdke> xorAxAx maybe you want to install moinmoin :-)
[02:49] <mdke> /endpaste
[02:55] <sm> mdke: it's on the wishlist, but it's not top priority unless it gets bountyized
[03:00] <mdke> np
[03:00] <mdke> was changing the wiki engine discussed tonight?
[03:00] <mdke> actually i shouldn't be wasting your time with irritating questions, i'll get the log and have a read
[03:08] <sm> mdke: np.. sorry I am elsewhere
[03:08] <sm> I caught the last 15 mins of the meeting.. I had the wrong time
[03:09] <sm> afaict the wiki wasn't discussed at all
[03:09] <sm> do you have any questions about it ? I had a bunch of clarifications for your posts in the list
[03:09] <sm> which I can't remember :)
[03:09] <mdke> you mean corrections?
[03:10] <mdke> this is my first time with a wiki, so I am pretty raq
[03:10] <sm> some, yes
[03:10] <mdke> raw*
[03:10] <sm> did you see the thread about parents in ubuntu-doc a few weeks back ? 
[03:10] <mdke> erm
[03:10] <sm> I discussed it a little with corey iirc
[03:10] <mdke> no i wasn't joined
[03:10] <mdke> i'll look it up
[03:11] <sm> yes, look up that one in gmane
[03:11] <mdke> *coughs*
[03:11] <mdke> gmane?
[03:11] <mdke> i'm on the web archive
[03:12] <sm> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.doc/894
[03:13] <mdke> ok thanks
[03:14] <mdke> you can set multiple parents?!?!?!
[03:14] <mdke> but, but
[03:16] <sm> ?
[03:17] <sm> mdke: don't forget to peruse http://zwiki.org
[03:17] <mdke> right
[03:17] <mdke> if you can set multiple parents, its not obvious for a user tho
[03:17] <sm> UsersGuide anyway
[03:18] <mdke> in fact I asked mdz and he said it couldn't be done
[03:18] <sm> it's not clear that it's a good idea.. we haven't really used it
[03:18] <mdke> hmm
[03:18] <sm> but I mention it whenever this comes up
[03:18] <mdke> the parenting thing isn't really that big a deal is it tho
[03:18] <sm> I don't think so
[03:19] <mdke> if users make sure they link BEFORE creating the page, then there is no problem
[03:19] <sm> I can hide it in 5 minutes if 
[03:19] <sm> that's the consensus
[03:19] <mdke> i doubt it will be
[03:19] <sm> personally I find it imposes some useful order
[03:19] <mdke> yeah
[03:19] <sm> like most long documents, books, etc.
[03:19] <mdke> sm, but people do not use it
[03:19] <sm> sure they do
[03:19] <sm> the whole wiki is organized with it
[03:19] <mdke> well they do, but they parent documents under the wrong place ;)
[03:20] <mdke> "wrong" is subjective i suppose
[03:20] <sm> that's easily fixed by a small number of gardeners like yourself :)
[03:20] <mdke> yeah
[03:20] <mdke> people always have them under their userpages
[03:20] <sm> when the wiki was imported from moin, there was no parenting
[03:20] <sm> enrico got it organized quite quickly
[03:20] <mdke> kewl
[03:20] <sm> yeah new stuff often starts under someone's home page
[03:21] <mdke> best way is to emphasise that you make a link FIRST in the parent page, and THEN create the page using the link
[03:21] <mdke> anyway here's the deal with me, i'm pretty much a n00b so I'm just happy to carry on discussing things, but essentially I will just work on whatever the system is
[03:21] <sm> I don't worry about parenting too much
[03:22] <sm> let people make the page, that's the most important
[03:22] <sm> anyone can adjust the parenting later
[03:22] <mdke> hmm
[03:22] <sm> like formatting
[03:22] <mdke> problem is that if the parenting is not correct, the page might not get linked and the page will not be seen enough
[03:22] <sm> we don't expect newbies to get the formatting perfect either
[03:22] <sm> we rely on cooperation to improve things over time
[03:23] <sm> when you see a problem like that, you just reparent
[03:23] <sm> or you add an extra wiki link
[03:23] <mdke> yup
[03:24] <mdke> moinmoin is def the way to go btw, rewriting the FrontPage is showing up some dud links
[03:24] <sm> I think I saw you saying DocumentationArea duplicates FrontPage ?
[03:24] <sm> you are quite right, it should be merged there
[03:24] <mdke> oh
[03:25] <mdke> i forgot about that
[03:25] <mdke> i'll do it another time
[03:25] <mdke> or someone will
[03:25] <sm> yeah
[03:25] <sm> here's a links page I quite like: http://joyful.com/Squeak
[03:27] <mdke> *added to bookmarks*
[03:30] <mdke> ok have done FrontPage
[03:30] <mdke> have left the dud links for now and will look later
[03:30] <mdke> need to sleep now
[03:31] <sm> nice one
[03:31] <sm> good night
[03:31] <mdke> nite
[11:37] <enrico> Hello, good morning.
[11:37] <enrico> Does someone have the IRC log of the meeting after I left?
[11:38] <froud> [01:42]  *** enrico has left this server. ("good night!")
[11:38] <froud> [01:42]  <Mithrandir> did I tell you I don't like XSLT? (:
[11:38] <froud> [01:42]  <jeffsch> good night enrico
[11:38] <froud> [01:42]  <froud> Mithrandir: did you patch it
[11:38] <froud> [01:42]  *** jeffsch has left this channel. ("gotta run")
[11:38] <froud> [01:42]  <Mithrandir> if somebody can verify that it DTRT for them, I'd appreciate it.
[11:40] <enrico> froud-away: that was it?
[11:40] <froud> yep and one bug squashed
[11:40] <enrico> Cool!
[11:40] <froud> must go I am working on other stuff
[01:17] <abelli> vale comites
[01:18] <abelli> enrico: where can i find a good manual on aptitude?
[01:18] <abelli> other than man pages?
[01:26] <enrico> abelli: /usr/share/doc/aptitude
[01:26] <abelli> enrico: invaluable as always.
[07:57] <mdke> some wiki pruning done
[09:19] <mdke> hi abelli, drasko 
[09:21] <abelli> mdke: ciao ciao
[09:25] <drasko> mdke, hi
[09:25] <drasko> hi all
[09:31] <abelli> drasko: ciao