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ompaulRob_Linux_Newb, what is the question12:00
Rob_Linux_NewbI'm trying to install Kmuddy, I did ./configure and at the end it tells me: checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!12:00
laggerzerohttp://wallpapers.neo5k.de/content/images/wallpapers/sco/sco-001-1024x768.jpg12:00
Rob_Linux_NewbAnd that confused the heck outta me12:00
Quest-MasterRob_Linux_Newb: sudo apt-get install x-window-system-dev12:00
koen_when i minimize a window, it has some sort of graphic flow which leads it down, is it possible to instantly minimize ?12:01
da5idgood night @ll12:01
Bronchoanyone know why when I connect to my ssh server from windows(using putty and x-11 forwarding is set) I type xterm and it errors out12:01
Rob_Linux_NewbIs that a pretty huge file?12:01
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Quest-MasterRob_Linux_Newb: yes.12:03
eb0xI am trying to set xchat up to use identd, does Ubuntu come with an identd server already installed?12:03
eb0xIf not, what can I use?12:03
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Rob_Linux_NewbWhat would the approximate size be? I'm on a dial-up connection, so I may need to download later12:03
Quest-MasterOh12:04
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Quest-MasterIt's gigantic12:04
Quest-Master:P12:04
Rob_Linux_Newbshoot12:04
Bronchoeverythingt is gigantic to dialup12:04
laggerzerodialup, those were the days12:04
warthawgcan i just add debian repositories to get missing apps?  like all the ham software?12:04
thoreauputicRob_Linux_Newb: I installed it on dialup, but yes, it's a rather large download12:04
Rob_Linux_NewbI'd have high-speed if it was available in my area.  One of the downfalls to living in the sticks I guess12:04
Rob_Linux_NewbProbably a couple hour download?12:05
laggerzerowhat are you downloading?12:05
Quest-Masterx-windows-system-dev12:05
Quest-Master*window12:05
Rob_Linux_Newb2 hours 45 minutes...*groans*12:05
laggerzerohow big is it?12:05
thoreauputicRob_Linux_Newb: when you apt-get it, you'll see the time - just do ctrl-c to escape, if it looks too long12:05
Quest-MasterIt's a pretty massive package, especially if on dial-up.12:05
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Rob_Linux_NewbHey, thanks for the help guys.  Most people just ignore me, kinda discourageing to newbs12:06
spadesleave it downloading overnight12:06
Quest-MasterHehe.12:06
papsaluton, kamaradojn12:06
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thoreauputicRob_Linux_Newb: we'll ignore you next time :P  mwuhahaha!12:06
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L8Gr8Hi everybody!12:06
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laggerzerohello12:07
spadeshi dr nick12:07
laggerzerojeez. a lot of people just joined12:07
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confreyhi everybody12:07
L8Gr8I just started with Ubuntu Warty Warhog and I love it.  Just one problem, though.  Everytime I reboot, I lose my symlink to /dev/dvd :(12:07
ompaullaggerzero, it is getting more popular12:07
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laggerzeroif xchat was coded in C++ i would make a script to repond to every hello12:08
Draalhello12:08
DraalHow do I use apt-get?12:08
spadesman apt-get12:08
thoreauputicDraal: how long have you got?12:08
ompaulDraal, apt-get install somepackage12:08
confreyI have hoary 5.04 rc on my laptop; I can't resume after sleep; the power button does a complete shutdown; waht can I do?12:08
laggerzeroRTFM12:08
ompaulthoreauputic,  what was that I said to you eariler12:08
cocolspades, http://ubuntuguide.org12:08
farruinnDraal: check out www.debian.org/doc and see the APT Howto12:08
L8Gr8make sure you have your repository setup in /etc/apt/sources.list  then type "apt-get update"  then "apt-get install <package name>"12:09
ompaul --> apt-get install apt-doc apt-howto <-- kinda helps there12:09
farruinnDraal: it's a very good howto, probably easier than reading through a man page12:09
spadescocol: nick misfire12:09
thoreauputicompaul: in this case I can't see any mitigation...12:09
laggerzeroconfrey, suspend/resume is not completely supported yet12:09
laggerzeroit doesn't work on mine12:09
cocolspades,???12:09
ompaulthoreauputic, okay12:09
L8Gr8anybody else losing their symlinks on reboot?12:09
spadescocol; i wasnt requesting help12:09
DraalThank you Farruinn12:09
thoreauputicompaul: I was referring to laggerzero, sorry :)12:10
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ompaulthoreauputic, np :)12:10
laggerzeroheh12:10
laggerzerowhat was the question?12:10
farruinnanyone using mac-on-linux? it's not working with kernel 2.6.10-4 for me12:10
cocolsorry it was Draal12:10
ompaullaggerzero, rtfm12:10
thoreauputiclaggerzero: your ubuntu points just took a dive ;)12:10
ompaulhahaha12:10
nicedreamssup with the hoary preview install?  I go back to debian for a week and decide to install ubuntu again and now my sound doesn't work.  I've never had a sound issue before with ubuntu12:10
laggerzeroheh12:10
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eclipsecan you use grub with JFS filesystem?12:11
ompaulL8Gr8, that is strange12:11
thoreauputicfarruinn: I have it on my iBook G4, but getting it working wasn't.... err... trivial12:11
Brunellus_anybody using samba on warty?12:11
confreylaggerzero, ok, I'll wait for it; another thing : how can I manage cpu's frequency? powernowd works automatically, but I'd like to set cpufreq to 400 Mhz, to silent the fan (as in windows), what can I do?12:11
L8Gr8Thanks for responding. Yeah it is weird.  I've never had symlinks disappear before. Then again this is my first debian-based distro.12:11
ompaulL8Gr8,  the symbolic link is not there that I find starnge12:11
farruinnthoreauputic: it's working kernel 2.6.10-4?12:11
laggerzeroi think you need a ppc kernel to get it working on a mac12:12
gilleshi12:12
ompaulL8Gr8, that is no reason to assume that they should pop off12:12
Brunellus_I'm trying to print over the network12:12
thoreauputicfarruinn: oh, no, sorry this is on warty 2.6.812:12
thoreauputickernel12:12
farruinnthoreauputic: ah, ok, that worked fine for me =)12:12
thoreauputicright12:12
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baikonurhi12:12
laggerzeroi dont' know how to do that confrey. i wish i did12:12
laggerzeroi'd use that12:12
farruinnI think there's something wrong with the 2.6.10-4 headers maybe12:13
thoreauputicfarruinn: I had to do a bit of googling and reading to get it going12:13
farruinnlaggerzero: the *-powerpc was implicit12:13
honewhat's the best kernel to use for hte pentium m?12:13
thoreauputicfarruinn: you've seen the wiki howto on mol?12:13
baikonurthere is no netinstall mechanism included in the live-cd, is it? unless there is one this was a rather wasted cd-r :-/12:13
honethe one for the 686?12:14
farruinnthoreauputic: yeah, I installed following that wiki both for my warty install and now hoary, but I'm getting that error now12:14
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eclipseAnyone knows if you could use grub with JFS filesystem?12:14
DraalHone - The latest you have available. 2.6 and up has excellent Centrino support.12:14
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Marble2how come sometimes in hoary a window will become all curvy12:14
honeDraal, but for the kernel-image12:14
Marble2it doesn't show up in a screenshot, and a restart of the application fixes it12:15
honeDraal, there's specific ones for k7 and stuff right?12:15
farruinnthoreauputic: what do you have in /usr/lib/mol/modules?12:15
gillesI don't know what wrong did I do, but when I try to connect to my server with 192.168.0.1, it respond "You don't have permission to access / on this server.". What can I do ?12:15
Marble2it's really weird12:15
Marble2anyone else get this?12:15
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thoreauputicfarruinn: this is outdated, but I found it useful >> http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~ctwardy/mol-debian-benh.html12:15
DraalAlright.. I know what programs I want to install, but how do I access Apt Get to get them?12:15
DraalI just need to know the command..12:15
DraalNothing special.12:15
eclipseAnyone knows if you could use grub with JFS filesystem?12:15
thoreauputicfarruinn: sorry, my iBook is elsewhere at the moment or I'd look for you12:16
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eclipseplease i need the answer12:16
knucksGUYS. HELP12:16
farruinnthoreauputic: ok, not a problem, I was just going to see if that was the bug12:16
knucksI no longer have my X working12:16
knucksno GUI12:16
honeDraal, apt-get install <package>12:16
Quest-Masterknucks: sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg12:16
cocolDraal, sudo apt-get install package12:16
Brunellus_grr. I can see my print server in the "network" bit of nautilus12:16
Brunellus_but I can't seem to get it to print12:16
knucksi installed the nvidia package thats on the howto guide..12:17
DraalThank you12:17
knucksand now i get "no screens found"12:17
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DraalI shouldn't have any problems installing XFCE, should I/12:17
Draal?12:17
koen_what is the standard root password12:18
thoreauputicDraal: for more info, sudo apt-get install apt-howto12:18
knucksand my xorg.conf files and xf86config files dont exist12:18
Brunellus_h'mm.12:18
spadeskoen_: no root pass, set one with sudo passwd root12:18
savbanhow do i change my desktop from like gnme to kde12:18
koen_ok12:18
savbanwhen i log in12:18
koen_thanks12:18
L8Gr8Anybody familiar with how symlinks work. My symlink to /dev/dvd is gone on every reboot12:18
Riddellsavban: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingKDE12:18
thoreauputicDraal: xfce 4 is in the repositories12:18
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djpkoen: there isn't one by default. use sudo before a command that needs root priviliges12:19
farruinnthoreauputic: are you using a benh kernel?12:19
djpoops! bit late with that answer me thinks!12:19
knucksstill get no screens found..12:19
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thoreauputicfarruinn: no, I think the benh patch is standard in ubuntu-ppc though12:20
knuckshow do i rollback to the default packages for displays that came w/ hoary?12:20
chrissturmhey guys! i get this error at x server startup: (EE) fglrx(0): [agp]  unable to acquire AGP, error "xf86_ENOMEM"12:20
chrissturm(EE) fglrx(0): cannot init AGP12:20
chrissturm12:20
Brunellus_can someone point me to a network printing howto?12:20
knucksI still get No Screens Found12:20
thoreauputicfarruinn: at least, that's my assumption12:20
knuckshelp12:20
farruinnthoreauputic: hm, could be12:20
JDahlknucks, I doubt that a "Windows rollback" is not your solution12:21
farruinnknucks: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-[xorg if hoary | xfree86 if warty] 12:21
JDahlknucks, it's not the solution, I mean12:21
thoreauputicfarruinn: some of the stuff on the monash link wsa useful - like dnsmasq etc and the /etc/init.d additions to files12:21
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thoreauputic*was12:21
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farruinnthoreauputic: ok, I'll hang onto the link for when that time comes12:21
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knuckshow do i get it back working?12:21
farruinnthoreauputic: I'm going to try building the modules with build-kpkg12:22
baikonurwhat ubuntu should I use if I install a new ubuntu system?12:22
farruinns/build/make12:22
thoreauputicfarruinn: I kind of cobbled it together from that site and the wiki12:22
speedy2782why does everyone hate microsoft12:22
speedy2782it seems a lot easier to use12:22
DraalWhy DOESN'T everyone hate microsoft?12:22
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thoreauputicspeedy2782: nice try12:22
DraalBecause we enjoy chaotic messes that make little to no sense.12:22
speedy2782oh, and my wifi card works very easily under there12:22
laggerzerothey haven't made any of their stuff12:22
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knucksok ill go try12:22
ChipzzDraal: because there are microsoft employees? ;)12:22
laggerzeroeverything that is microsoft is stolent, or baught12:23
knuckssee what happened is tis"12:23
BlissexDraal: there are many Microsoft shareholders, employees and resellers, they usually love Microsoft12:23
laggerzerothe task bar is still coded from osx12:23
JDahlspeedy2782, we dont hate Microsoft... but why does every new linux user complain about linux not being Windows??12:23
laggerzeroor mac os12:23
airoxHi, can I delete the symlinks in /etc/rc2.d for items like lvm and raid if I don't use them ??12:23
knucksI installed the nvidia-glx package as stated on the newbie guide in ubuntuforums12:23
Brunellus_can you lot tone down the trollbaiting for a second?12:23
knucksbefore it everything was fine12:23
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DraalHow does one enable Unverise under Apt-Get in Ubuntu?12:23
knucksand then i installed it and x11 disappared and i started getting "no screens found"12:23
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laggerzeroBrunellus_, type in nvidia-glx-config enable12:23
laggerzeroas root12:23
Brunellus_that's not m.e12:23
thoreauputicDraal: please read http://ubuntuguide.org12:23
rattboihow do I see the startup script messages?12:23
laggerzeroerr knucks12:24
membreyaim impressed, the new kernel (2.6.11)+ the new nvidia drivers gives me an extra 100fps in glxgears12:24
Brunellus_laggerzero:  my graphics are running fine, thanks.  I can't get my printer going12:24
rattboiI know dmesg shows startup kernel messages, but what about stuff from the RC scripts?12:24
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airoxDraal: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories12:24
laggerzerois the 2.6.11 kernel worth it?12:24
thullyDoes anyone know how much iPod functionality Rhythmbox has?  I sawthe "iPod" icon in Rhythmbox and wondered...12:24
DraalThanks12:24
Quest-Masterrofl @ speedy278212:24
airoxDraal: The site I gave you is very handy.12:24
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baikonuris it possible to netinstall ubuntu with a floppy or so?12:24
membreyaim running hoary laggerzero .. I like the latest 'n greatest :P12:24
laggerzeroi'm running hoary aswell12:25
L8Gr8Thank you :)12:25
laggerzeroit has 2.6.1012:25
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airoxbleeding edge ...12:25
L8Gr8anybody know why symlinks should disappear on reboot?12:25
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Brunellus_arse.12:25
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Draal$ sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list12:25
Marble2will using a low screen hertz rate hurt anything?12:25
Draaloops12:25
laggerzeroinstalling it now12:25
Brunellus_why is it that I can "see" my printserver in the "network"12:25
rezmanhas anyone gotten linksys wireless g working12:26
Brunellus_and I can't *print* to that same printserver?!12:26
airoxCan I delete some symlinks in the runlevels if I don't use LVM and RAID ???12:26
thoreauputicDraal: you're on the right track :)12:26
djpMarble2: only your eyes! ;)12:26
Marble2it will?12:26
airoxrezman: yes.12:26
farruinnBrunellus_: probably because the network place uses a different protocol than cups12:26
munkihas anybody got the Wireless Belkin 7010 working ?12:26
farruinnBrunellus_: or whatever your print server is12:26
Brunellus_farruinn:  the printserver is SMB12:26
Brunellus_and I'm trying to configure it as an SMB printer12:26
rezmanairox: what do i need to get it working12:26
farruinnBrunellus_: right, but you don't print via smb12:26
Brunellus_this is confusing.12:27
membreyahmmm, can you blacklist a module that starts in the kernel and not as a seperate module?12:27
Marble2running it at 75 distorts windows in ubuntu at 1280x102412:27
Brunellus_how do I get it up, then?12:27
Marble2but running at 60 fixes it12:27
airoxrezman: look if there are drivers, and find some guide to install them.12:27
Marble2will it actually mess up my eyes?12:27
airoxrezman: lspci displays it ?12:27
knucksim trying to reconfigure x11 right now..12:27
chrissturmdoes the -27 kernel have problems with the fglrx driver?12:27
knuckswhat do i put as my cards bus identifier? its an agp card12:27
rezmanits displayed in gnomes device manager12:27
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thoreauputicchrissturm: is there a kernel that doesn't? :/12:28
djpMarble2: i am using 1024x768 @ 75hz, 60hz is a real strain on the eys if you are looking at amnitor for a long period of time12:28
farruinnBrunellus_: maybe I'm wrong, but last I knew smb was for filesharing, not printing12:28
Marble2okay, I'm back at 7512:28
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Marble2but it's weird.. the corners of my monitor seem kinda wavey after a little bit12:28
Marble2I just started noticing it after I upgraded to hoary12:29
knuckswhat do i put for my cards bus identifier?12:29
djpMarble2: which, as you can tell from my spelling, i have been doing for far too long today!12:29
farruinnknucks: it doesn't have a default?12:29
knucksi need to set it up through the x11 reconfiguration setup thing12:29
agabusi need help please mounting a secondary hard-drive of mine formatted with fat32 please12:29
knucksdefault is PCI:1:0:012:29
Brunellus_farruinn, great.  now I'm all confused.12:29
Brunellus_I'm reduced to trying menu-options at random12:29
farruinnBrunellus_: this server is a windows box?12:29
agabusanyone?12:30
farruinnknucks: I would go with that - it's going to be different depending on your motherboard methinks12:30
djpMarble2: you may need to lower your resolution to use 75hz. i know i do. any higher than 1024x768 and i have to lower the hertz12:30
airoxagabus: mount -t vfat /dev/hdaX /media/fat3212:30
airox?12:30
airoxagabus: Or put a line in fstab for it.12:30
airoxagabus: Then it will be mounted at startup.12:30
djpMarble2: that is a hardware issue. my monitor is pushed to the limit.12:30
Marble2that sucks12:31
membreyacan you blacklist a module that starts in the kernel and not as a seperate module?12:31
agabusairox - thanks, ill try it and then report back12:31
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farruinnmembreya: as in it's listed in the initrd.img?12:31
airoxagabus: ok.12:31
djpMarble2: it's ok for me. i am quite hapy with my 1024x768@75hz.12:31
membreyafarruinn: my system is currently using the intel_agp and I want it to use nvagp12:32
membreyamy dmesg has NVRM: not using NVAGP, an AGPGART backend is loaded!12:32
agabusairox - do i need to12:32
agabussudo to mount the hdd?12:32
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farruinnmembreya: sorry, I don't have nvidia12:33
airoxagabus: yes, in ubuntu you have to.12:33
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airoxagabus: If a normal user could do it then it would be bad, would it ?12:33
eb0xI need help with my sound.... my sound card is inside my computer, but for some reason I can't play sound files... will somebody help me, please?12:33
honeairox, can't you make it user mountable in fstab?12:33
airoxmaybe12:33
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honeairox, under options, just put user12:34
mdblitz1ayep, thats what I was going to say12:34
airoxhone: yep.12:34
inner_hello friends.  Is there any sound problem with Hoary today?  HAving problems with sound quality. (not artifacts, just lack of bass)12:34
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eb0xinner_: I can't even get my sound to work at all.. did you have to do anything to enable it?12:34
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agabushow do iu find out what hd? is my secondary hdd12:34
eb0xWhen I go to open volume control, I get "No volume control elements and/or devices found."12:35
inner_nope, nothing.  It was working perfectly, but something went wrong after last night updates.12:35
Slackmanhi guys, quick question. When i shut the lid of my ibook, it the light turns off but it doesn't actually sleep12:35
airoxagabus: You should know it :)12:35
mdblitz1eb0x: make sure linux supports your sound card12:35
airoxagabus: but you can check with cfdisk12:35
thoreauputicagabus: probably hdb , but try sudo fdisk -l12:35
airoxagabus: or check which devices there are available in /dev12:35
djpoh well, time for my bed... night all12:35
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mdblitz1night12:36
airoxnigh djp12:36
eb0xmdblitz1: How do I make sure of that?12:36
agabusyeh its hdb12:36
knucksit tells me that my xserver package may not be isntalled correctly12:36
knucksbecause i cant run nvidia-glx-config12:36
eb0xmdblitz1: I have a Creative SoundBlaster Live! sound card12:36
knuckstells me the xorg.conf files are missing12:36
agabusairox - mount: /dev/hdb already mounted or /media/fat32 busy12:36
inner_I am a professional musician, I do sound editing with Ubuntu Linux, it was working perfectly friends.  But sudenly something went wrong with sound quality.  OSS and ALSA servers work fine but...12:36
knucksand whjen i try to view them, they are empty12:36
mdblitz1go to google and search for a hardware conpatibity list12:36
knuckssomeone, PLEASE help12:36
honeinner_, youcheck alsamier?12:36
thullyIs there anybody using an iPod on Linux?  If so, what software do you use?  Does Rhythmbox work well?  I'm thinking about getting one...12:36
inner_eb0x: find out if your user has audio privileges.12:36
DraalHow do I access synaptic?12:36
eb0xinner_: In users & groups12:37
eb0x?12:37
mdblitz1system > administration12:37
inner_yes12:37
airoxagabus: Well, do a `df` to check if it's already.12:37
Slackmanthully, try the iRiver ones...they support oggs and are usable under linux12:37
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DraalWhat?12:37
DraalSystem > Admin?12:37
inner_yes = yes at the user and groups thing12:37
knucksthis is so annoying..12:37
mdblitz1click on the system menu then the administration menu12:37
agabusairox - ok how do i use df?12:37
knucksi bet its a really simple problem12:37
eb0xDraal: System > Administration > Synaptic12:37
airoxagabus: in your console12:37
Slackmanknucks, whats your issue?12:37
thoreauputicDraal: computer >> system admin >> synaptic package manager12:37
inner_and yes = I have checked the alsamixer12:37
Brunellus_fooking 'ell12:37
knucksall i want to do is rollback to the default xserver12:37
inner_but I can't figure out why I loose the bass frequencies12:38
Slackmanknucks, apt-get remove xorg12:38
thullythey are > expensive than ipods in what I see - ipod minis vs. comparable iriver at least12:38
knucksSlackman: i installed nvidia-glx, and now x tells me there aer no screens present12:38
agabusairox - ok i done it, but hdb is not in there12:38
DraalThanks12:38
eb0xinner_: my user does have permission to use audio devices12:38
airoxagabus: Does the fat32 partition reside on the same hard disk ?12:38
agabusno12:38
airoxOr do you have more hard disks ?12:38
Slackmanknucks, well i think you should have a back up file in that case...otherwise just run xorgconfig or xconfig which ever your running12:39
knucksSlackman: i tried..still no go12:39
knuckswhat do i do after i remove xorg12:39
inner_eb0x: i c... hmmm ok... try opening the alsamixer at the console12:39
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Brunellus_I don't get it12:40
eb0xinner_: How do I open that?12:40
Brunellus_I can see the print server on "network"12:40
Brunellus_I know it to be an SMB thing12:40
eb0xinner_: run alsamixer or ./alsamixer ?12:40
Brunellus_I know that the printer is on P112:40
Brunellus_what's missing?12:40
Brunellus_why won't it run?12:40
knucksit tells me that xorg.conf is missing from my system12:40
thoreauputicinner_: you just type alsamixer12:40
Slackmanknucks, re-install Xfree or xorg...which ever you were using to begin with12:40
knucksWell im on hoary12:41
knucksso xorg i guess?12:41
Slackmanknucks, xorg i guess12:41
knuckshow do i do that?12:41
knuckssudo apt-get remove xserver-xorg12:41
knucksand then apt-get install it again?12:41
speedy2782root@laptop:~ # modprobe ndiswrapper12:41
speedy2782FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-4-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted12:41
thoreauputicknucks: sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg12:41
knucksok12:41
speedy2782anyone have any idea what the "h" that means12:41
Slackmanknucks, well you can use dpkg reconfigure or something12:41
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Brunellus_I try to print, and I get12:42
Brunellus_"Unable to connect to SAMBA host...retry in 60 seconds12:42
helloyoanyone else having difficulties with evolution 2.2? it won't delete stuff half the time12:42
L8Gr8I'm reading a config file, does anybody know what this means:${1}12:42
L8Gr8${1}12:42
Brunellus_"DEBUG: 1%EndFont12:42
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inner_hone, does anybody knows what does toggles like External amplifier do at the Alsa Mixer:  they apparently do nothing.12:43
sid77hi12:43
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honeinner_, sorry don't know much about sound12:43
thoreauputicinner_: use your arrow keys12:43
Brunellus_sh*t.  this is even worse12:43
Brunellus_now I can't even see windows network12:43
inner_yes, I know the alsamixer much, but this time I can't figure what was changed at hoary that made sound server sound this bad...12:44
inner_its a question of quality12:44
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inner_in fact I didnt realised it till I plugged the pro audio card to my laptop...12:44
helloyoarghh!!! evolution is barely working at all in hoary12:44
thoreauputicinner_: are you on hoary?12:44
inner_yes thoreauputic12:45
inner_on hoary12:45
eb0xthoreauputic: Is the Creative SoundBlaster Live! sound card supported by Linux?12:45
Brunellus_nobody here knows anything about getting a network printer running?12:45
inner_yes eb0x12:45
thoreauputicinner_: I don't know much about this, but crimsun was talking about polypaudio and esd here12:45
inner_Oh! interesting thoreau12:45
thoreauputicinner_: he's one of the devs who knows sound12:46
L8Gr8I returned my SBLive. Creative Audigy2 works.12:46
inner_thx!12:46
thoreauputicinner_: polypaudio has been problematic apparently12:46
inner_I see...12:46
mdblitz1I know sometimes to make gaim work on my sound card I have to make it use ESD audio12:46
eb0xeb0x@ubuntu:~ $ alsamixer12:46
eb0xalsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory12:46
eb0xeb0x@ubuntu:~ $12:46
Brunellus_nobody for samba?12:46
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tckhaving sound problems12:46
eb0xWhat do I do about that?12:46
desrthttp://www.justlinux.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=13828712:46
tckit used to work today and then it suddenly stopped12:46
desrti'm getting this exact problem ^^12:46
DraalHow do I enable mp3 playback?12:46
tckthis happen to anyone else ?12:47
helloyowhy won't evolution do what i tell it to?12:47
desrtdoes anyone know what might be wrong?12:47
koen_yeah i wondering about that aswell12:47
inner_to me tck12:47
tckhow you work around it12:47
thoreauputicDraal: sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad12:47
Brunellus_Draal:  wiki.  "restricted-formats"12:47
inner_I am having sound quality problems12:47
mdblitz1Draal: you shouldn't have to12:47
tckit give the drum bear on ubuntu desktop login12:47
koen_i cant play mp312:47
tckbut that is all12:47
koen_either12:47
koen_i installed gstreamer12:47
thoreauputicDraal: then use the music player (rhythmbox)12:47
tckditto12:47
blizahis it possible to install gaim encryption on warty?12:47
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koen_rhytemnbox hangs on my system :)12:47
koen_i think ill go back you vectorlinux12:48
thoreauputickoen_: gstreamer0.8-mad is the package name12:48
koen_but what i dont get, i can type any packagename12:48
koen_it does outputs anything when ready12:48
helloyocan anyone tell me why evolution barely works?12:48
inner_tck: does your user have audio privileges?12:48
koen_does ubuntu confirms when a apt-get is succesfull ?12:49
mdblitz1helloyo: barely works how?12:49
inner_yes koen_12:49
farruinnhelloyo: you need to be more specific12:49
thoreauputickoen_: you'll see it configuring once it's downloaded12:49
koen_weird it does confirms anything12:49
koen_weird12:49
tckinner_, that shouldnt make a diff12:49
koen_how can i copy/paste to terminal ?12:50
tckright now my system plays mp3's12:50
tckweird12:50
thoreauputickoen_: highlight, middle click to paste12:50
eb0xeb0x@ubuntu:~ $ alsamixer12:50
eb0xalsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory12:50
eb0xWhat do I do about that?12:50
farruinncould someone with mol installed please run 'startmol --list' to tell me where the modules should be?12:50
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NeoCicakhow do i know what version my gnome is?12:51
koen_what version of debian is ubuntu running on ?12:51
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helloyomdblitz1, farruinn, i was making lots of changes to stuff, then the changes stopped taking effect, i'd delete something but nothing would happen12:51
thoreauputicfarruinn: if you can wait a few minutes I'll get my laptop...12:51
mdblitz1NeoCicak: good chance its 2.1012:51
eb0xNeoCicak: System > About Gnome12:51
netdurubuntu (codename hoary) 5.10 the number mean the month.day of year it release, so hoary is 5.04 and next is 5.10... betwreen 5.04 and 5.10 it's year and six days12:51
farruinnthoreauputic: you're awesome12:51
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jazzkahi!12:52
NeoCicakeb0x: ahhha.. of course. silly  me.. thx!12:52
koen_why doesnt ubuntu comes with mp3 ? doesnt everyone wants mp3 ? :)12:52
cocolnetdur,6 months12:52
netdurwhat happen to six month release?12:52
eyequeues/year and six days/six months/12:52
jazzkahoary's intallation says that can't find a driver for the cd-rom, which module should I load?12:52
jazzkaany idea?12:52
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mdblitz1hmm12:52
mseneykoen_, nah not really. it's more widespread I think for Windows people. I prefer ogg.12:53
mdblitz1helloyo: what changes were you making?12:53
drspinkoen_: search google for "RestrictedFormats"12:53
eyequeuenetdur:  october isn't over a year away12:53
netdurdo it's year.month12:53
mdblitz1in preferences?12:53
mseneykoen_, also flac is another thats lossless12:53
DraalOh ya.. Only Windows people..12:53
DraalIts not like they account for 98% of the user base though..12:53
DraalOr anything silly like that12:53
drspinheh I have TONS of mp3 fles12:53
mseneyi know i know12:53
drspinDraal: LOL12:53
mseneyi think some mp3 players will run ogg these days i thought i heard somewhere12:54
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koen_how can i install a packages12:54
mdblitz1anyone here tried installing mysql query browser?12:54
koen_something like installpkg12:54
farruinnkoen_: apt-get install package12:54
helloyomdblitz1, i'm deleting certain occurances of a recurrence12:54
farruinnkoen_: sudo apt-get install package12:54
koen_no i dont want apt-get12:54
koen_i want to download packages and install them manual12:54
mdblitz1koen_: dpkg -i <package>12:55
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mseneykoen_, i think you have to install some lame package or something to get mp3 playback capability. try searching the ubuntu forums im sure you can find out how to do it easily12:55
farruinnkoen_: that's not usually a good idea, make sure it's not in universe first12:55
helloyomdblitz1, i seem to have found the glitch, in the exception list it adds the date before the one i actually deleted...12:55
mdblitz1ok12:55
koen_<farruinn> apt-get doesnt work12:55
eb0xHas anyone in here had problems with their sound using a "Creative SoundBlaster Live!" Sound Card? I NEED HELP!12:55
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thoreauputicfarruinn: heh - that command says I have no modules, yet mol is starting as we speak :)12:56
cocolkoen, dpkg -i package12:56
farruinnthoreauputic: hrm... vewy vewy intewesting12:56
honekoen_, you can get gstreamer plugins12:56
honekoen_, to get mp3 support12:56
honekoen_, depending on the app12:56
thoreauputicfarruinn: available modules:  <none>12:56
koen_i want something similair to winamp, what should i get ?12:56
drspineb0x: what problems are you having?12:56
eb0xWhen I try to open alsamixer  ..... I get this error "alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory" .... What can be done to fix this?12:56
mseneyyeah i was just reading the forums and mp3 support was removed due to patent issues12:56
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drspinkoen_: XMMS12:57
thoreauputicfarruinn: bizarre, hey?12:57
eb0xdrspin: I can't play music12:57
farruinnthoreauputic: what do you have in /usr/lib/mol/modules?12:57
eb0xdrspin: Well, i can't hear any sound at all.12:57
thoreauputichang on12:57
membreya_im trying to compile the drivers for quickcam express, it compiles but immediately says "unknown symbol in module" any ideas?12:57
mseneyhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=302&page=2&pp=1012:57
JDahleb0x, in general you dont have to ask for help here... however, actually asking a question normally gives you more feedback12:57
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mdblitz1anyone tried installing mysql query browser?12:57
jazzkawhat can I do if ubuntu's installation doesnt recognize my cd-rom drive?12:57
drspineb0x: paste the output of aplay -l in #flood12:57
jazzkaI dont have a disk with driver, can I insmod any module? is a LG cd-rom12:58
thoreauputicfarruinn: hmm - zilch, nada12:58
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drspineb0x: paste the results of lsmod in #flood12:59
eb0xdrspin: Okay, I'm back with you here.12:59
eb0xdrspin: Ok, 1 sec12:59
farruinnthoreauputic: can you /msg me the output of 'dpkg -L mol-modules-$(uname -r)?12:59
thoreauputicfarruinn: don't ask me how this is working, but I have OS-x running right now in mol...12:59
Brunellus_h'mmm01:00
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Brunellus_OK.  I'm stumped01:00
eni_which is the hava package name in apt-get ?01:00
thoreauputicfarruinn: I'll have to fire up an IRC client on the lappie01:00
eni_s/hava/java01:00
thoreauputichang on01:00
thenukethere is no patch/upgrade for the root exploit in kernel still?01:00
Brunellus_how in blazes do I get a networked printer going?01:00
eyequeueeni_:  see ubuntuguide, or the wiki01:01
eni_do you know its name : eyequeue ?01:01
eyequeueeni_:  one of those two gives a detailed howto, since it's not in ubuntu proper, iirc01:01
drspineb0x: sudo modprobe snd_pcm01:01
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eyequeueeni_:  hence there is no name you can just plug in01:01
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Brunellus_nobody on networked printing?01:02
eb0xroot@ubuntu:/home/eb0x # sudo modprobe snd_pcm01:02
eb0xroot@ubuntu:/home/eb0x #01:02
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mdblitz1I need to know if anyone has installed mysql query browser01:02
drspineb0x: lsmod |grep snd in #ubuntu01:02
mdblitz1and if I can use apt-get to get it01:02
drspineb0x: er in #flood rather01:02
Quest-MasterGuys01:02
cafe_royBrunellus_: cups ?01:03
Quest-MasterWhere does apt-get install phpmyadmin?01:03
eni_what do you mean ? eyequeue01:03
eni_I do apt-get install java and there is no package named java01:03
farruinnQuest-Master: dpkg -L phpmyadmin ?01:03
Brunellus_cafe_roy:  that's not terribly helpful to me.01:03
eni_apt-cache search java and I get a big list.01:03
Brunellus_let me explain:01:03
Quest-MasterNvm, got it.01:03
eb0xdrspin: gotcha :p01:03
eyequeueeni_:  you'd need to add some special repositories or some other special procedure, not a simple apt-get01:03
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cocoleni jre01:03
Brunellus_the printer is connected to a hawkingtech parallel print server01:03
Brunellus_I have successfully printed to this printer over the network from a windows box01:03
drspineb0x: ls /dev/dsp01:04
eyequeueeni_:  i know i read it there, just didn't feel like adding non-free things to my box, so basically ignored it01:04
mdblitz1Quest-Master: what did you have to type for apt-get to finbd phpmyadmin?01:04
eni_???01:04
Brunellus_on the windows box, it's an SMB printer01:04
mdblitz1keeps telling me it can't fin the package01:04
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eni_cocol is it named jre ?01:04
eb0xroot@ubuntu:/home/eb0x # ls /dev/dsp01:04
eb0xls: /dev/dsp: No such file or directory01:04
eb0xroot@ubuntu:/home/eb0x #01:04
cocolyep01:04
Brunellus_in nautilus, I can see the print-server in "network"01:04
Brunellus_but I can't print to it!01:04
eni_root@galaxy:/tmp # apt-get install jre01:04
eni_Reading Package Lists... Done01:04
eni_Building Dependency Tree... Done01:04
eni_E: Couldn't find package jre01:04
honemdblitz1, apt-cache search phpmyadmin01:05
eyequeueeni_:  that would be a runtime only not a jdk01:05
mdblitz1thanks01:05
honeeni_, you need to use java-pakcage to bulid it01:05
eyequeueeni_:  and again, non-free01:05
honeeni_, since it's not "free"01:05
eb0xdrspin: Is there a package that i need to install for /dev/dsp to be there01:05
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eni_I have to pay ? or what?01:05
drspineb0x: no -- the module for your soundcard has to be loaded...01:05
az[a] zel_ubuntuis there a repository that has mplayer/win32 codecs etc in it (and is AMD64 compatible?)01:05
drspineb0x: sudo modprobe -r snd_pcm01:06
eyequeueeni_:  freedom doesn't really correspond to payment status01:06
honeeni_, no it's not free as in speech01:06
honeeni_, not beer01:06
drspineb0x: sudo modprobe snd_emu10k101:06
thoreauputic_farruinn: did you get my dcc chat request?01:06
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drspineb0x: ls /dev/dsp01:06
koen_how can i log in as root ?01:06
eb0xroot@ubuntu:/home/eb0x # sudo modprobe -r snd_pcm01:06
eb0xFATAL: Module snd_pcm is in use.01:06
eb0xroot@ubuntu:/home/eb0x #01:06
koen_what password do i use at loginscreen01:06
drspinkoen_: sudo -s01:06
eyequeuekoen_:  you're not advised to in ubuntu, use sudo instead01:06
koen_no i want to login as root01:06
farruinnthoreauputic_: hm, nope...01:06
drspinkoen_: why would you want to login in to a root X session?01:06
eb0xroot@ubuntu:/home/eb0x # sudo modprobe -r snd_pcm01:07
eb0xFATAL: Module snd_pcm is in use.01:07
eb0xroot@ubuntu:/home/eb0x #01:07
farruinnthoreauputic_: what is dcc?01:07
koen_sudo doest work01:07
koen_it just doesnt do anything01:07
eb0xkoen_: 'sudo su'01:07
thoreauputic_farruinn: /j #flood01:07
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farruinnkoen_: see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo01:07
mdblitz1hone: its not find anything when I type that01:07
eyequeuekoen_:  if you truly want to do something dangerous, it's on the wiki, i'll not tell hom in a public irc channel01:07
drspineb0x: try just sudo modprobe snd_emu10k101:07
honehone@ubuntu:~ $ apt-cache search phpmyadmin01:07
eyequeues/hom/how/01:07
honeeskuel - A MySQL databases administration interface in PHP-scripts01:07
honephpmyadmin - A set of PHP-scripts to administrate MySQL over the WWW01:07
koen_there is no password for sudo right ? after installation01:07
drspinkoen_: it's your password --01:08
koen_oh :)01:08
eyequeuekoen_:  read the url you were given (yes you do need a password)01:08
koen_rofl, someone told me its blank01:08
mdblitz1hone: so why won't it find it on mine?01:08
eyequeuekoen_:  i recommend you read that url01:08
koen_no i get why it wouldnt work01:08
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koen_thanks01:08
keffoOk, so I have this huge problem. Something happend and X (xorg) cant be loaded at boot up. When I use another terminal and run some commands it works, and glxgears gives right FPS etc.. the thing is, we made this script wich should do all those thingies tog et it working.. And its loading at boot but X still doesnt start, when I just run the script from console.. it goes "poff". heres the script www.tehjunkyard.net/www.tehjunkyard.net/fglrxfix.txt01:08
drspinkoen_: your ROOT password is empty -- for security reasons -- use sudo01:08
koen_im used to slackware, this is different01:08
eb0xdrspin: k ...01:08
eb0xroot@ubuntu:/home/eb0x # sudo modprobe snd_emu10k101:08
eb0xroot@ubuntu:/home/eb0x #01:08
keffowww.tehjunkyard.net/fglrxfix.txt <-01:09
honemdblitz1, repositories01:09
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inner_Hello crimsum.  I was told you are a dev working on sound issues.  Is there any known problem with hoary updates recently?01:09
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drspineb0x: ls /dev/dsp01:09
eb0xroot@ubuntu:/home/eb0x # ls dev/dsp01:09
eb0xls: dev/dsp: No such file or directory01:09
eb0xroot@ubuntu:/home/eb0x #01:09
mdblitz1hone: I'm new to ubuntu, can you explain that?01:09
eb0xwoops01:09
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eb0xbut same results for ls /dev/dsp01:09
drspineb0x: put a slash in front of dev01:09
drspineb0x: paste lsmod|grep snd in #flood01:10
eb0xls: /dev/dsp: No such file or directory01:10
honemdblitz1, sure01:10
honemdblitz1, ubuntu is based off debian, and apt looks in respositories to find packages01:10
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eb0xdrspin: done01:10
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honemdblitz1, so depending on what your repositories are depends on what packages you can apt-get install01:10
koen_what does this mean: E: Couldn't find package gstreamer0.8-mad ?01:10
cocolmdblitz1, http://ubuntuguide.org01:10
mdblitz1thanks01:10
drspineb0x: it all looks good -- aplay -l01:11
farruinnthoreauputic_: they're the same files as what I've got, so I guess it's not a mol-modules-* problem01:11
eb0xroot@ubuntu:/home/eb0x # aplay -l01:11
eb0xaplay: device_list:200: no soundcards found...01:11
eb0xroot@ubuntu:/home/eb0x #01:11
cocol:)01:11
honecocol, :)01:11
thoreauputickoen_: it means you haven't enabled the universe repository01:11
thoreauputicfarruinn: OK01:11
drspineb0x: boo01:11
drspineb0x: gimme a second... gotta find something real quick01:11
thoreauputickoen_: read http://ubuntuguide.org01:12
keffocrimsun awake?01:12
koen_thanks01:12
eb0xdrspin: Okay. I found something on the internet, i searched for EMU10k1X in google, and I guess a lot of people have been having trouble with the sound card in the Dell computers, which is what I have..01:12
eb0xdrspin: I don't know if that will do us any good as to what needs to be done for me to get my sound working01:13
farruinnBrunellus_: take a look at the tail end of http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba/view?searchterm=printing01:13
drspineb0x: I also have a DELL and it works fine -- are you using hoary or warty?01:13
eb0xdrspin: hoary01:13
NeoCicakeb0x: same with me.. mine is fine01:13
eb0xdrspin: I had warty before, and it didn't work there :/01:13
NeoCicakeb0x: mine is audigy2... what's yours??01:13
eb0xNeoCicak: soundblaster live01:13
drspineb0x: past # cat /proc/pci in #flood01:13
thoreauputicfarruinn: I got most of my stuff with apt - so not a lot of compiling involved01:13
drspinmine SB Live! Value01:14
eb0xroot@ubuntu:/home/eb0x # cat /proc/pci01:14
eb0xcat: /proc/pci: No such file or directory01:14
eb0xroot@ubuntu:/home/eb0x #01:14
farruinnthoreauputic: same here...01:14
eb0xdrspin: what dell do you have?01:14
drspinuhhhhhh.....01:14
inner_crimsun?01:14
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drspineb0x: Dell 4500 purchased about three years ago01:14
eb0xdrspin: I have a dell dimension 4550 .. im just using the sound card that came in this computer01:14
membreyawith .patch files, how do you get the compiler to automatically recognise them ?01:15
honedoesn't dell01:15
Brunellus_farruinn:  thanks.01:15
skel_homewhat version of debian would warty be closest to?01:15
honehave special sblive cards?01:15
thoreauputicinner_: he's away, I'm afraid01:15
honeskel_home: sarge/testing?01:15
eb0xhone:  thats what i had found on the internet01:15
drspineb0x: mine came with a SB Live Value -- and it worked fine for me... what chipset is your motherboard using?01:15
honeyeah01:15
honeyou need like emu10k1x01:15
eb0xhone: ya thats what i found in device manager01:15
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skel_homehone: ok I'm just trying to find out which source to stick in my list of mplayer..01:15
cocolsarge=unstable01:15
eb0xdrspin: I couldn't tell you, how can I find out?01:16
msh__no01:16
msh__sarge = testing01:16
eb0xhone: do i need to install emu10k1x or something?01:16
msh__sid = unstable01:16
thoreauputiccocol: no, sarge=testing01:16
inner_yes thoreauputic, thats what I think as well :-)01:16
cocolok01:16
drspineb0x:System -> Administration -> Device Manager01:16
thoreauputiccocol: sid=unstable01:16
keffoOk, so I have this huge problem. Something happend and X (xorg) cant be loaded at boot up. When I use another terminal and run some commands it works, and glxgears gives right FPS etc.. the thing is, we made this script wich should do all those thingies tog et it working.. And its loading at boot but X still doesnt start, when I just run the script from console.. it goes "poff". heres the script www.tehjunkyard.net/fglrxfix.txt01:16
msh__whats the run level in ubuntu to make it boot to console and not load X or GDM/01:16
eb0xdrspin: ok im there01:16
drspinmsh__: init 101:16
honeeb0x: no the module01:17
thoreauputicmsh__: ha - sorry I missed your posts :)01:17
eyequeuemsh__:  that's not how debian-based distros do it01:17
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msh__1?01:17
msh__oh01:17
msh__ok01:17
msh__im used to slack01:17
msh__and bsd01:17
msh__which is 301:17
eb0xhone: where can i get that module from?01:17
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eyequeuemsh__:  2 == 3 == 4 == 501:17
thoreauputicmsh__: debian distros have runlevel 2 default01:17
farruinnmsh__: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop01:17
msh__so01:17
eyequeuemsh__:  man update-rc.d01:17
thoreauputicmsh__: nad don't use runlevels the same way01:17
msh__in inittab, change runlevel 2 1?01:17
membreyawith .patch files, how do you get the compiler to automatically recognise them ? :|01:18
honeeb0x: should be part of alsa01:18
eyequeuemsh__:  no, you don't want that, almost guaranteed.  see the man page01:18
drspinmsh__: farruinn has a much better way -- init 1 is single-user mode...01:18
drspineb0x: emu10k1 works just fine for me01:18
eyequeuemsh__:  it will explain how to simply remove gdm from  one of your runlevels01:19
msh__i prefer a console enviroment running screen split into 4 windows01:19
farruinnmsh__: or s/gdm/[xorg|xfree86] -common01:19
msh__:P01:19
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b0lthey01:19
msh__ok01:19
eb0xhone: i dont know what alsa is .. im very new to linux01:19
msh__do i have to update-rc.d?01:19
eb0xdrspin: what did you want me to do in device manager?01:19
honeeb0x: www.alsa-project.org01:19
honeeb0x: linux sound drivers01:19
honeeb0x: but I gotta go eat.01:19
b0ltcan someone give me a hand with setting up ubuntu as the gateway for an adhoc wireless network?01:19
eyequeuemsh__:  that would be "the debian/ubuntu way"01:19
b0lt(ipforwarding)01:19
msh__eyequeue: do i have to update-rc.d?01:19
thoreauputicOK I'm tired - time to sign off - later all :)01:20
eyequeuemsh__:  it's not painful :)01:20
msh__im just asking01:20
msh__in slack01:20
msh__i didnt have to01:20
eyequeuemsh__:  but again, this isn't slack01:20
msh__i understand01:20
koen_oh oh i think i have a problem, does this mean im running a unstable ubuntu: Ubuntu 4.10 _Warty Warthog_ - Preview i386 Binary-1 (20041020)] / unstable main restricted01:20
b0ltwarty isn't unstable01:21
drspineb0x: did you install from a recent warty ISO?01:21
koen_it says this in sources.list01:21
eyequeuemsh__:  boot procedures seem to be one of the more significant areas of difference between distros01:21
koen_what does this mean:  unstable main restricted01:21
drspinwarty is a *stable* preview release of ubuntu as I understand it01:21
Tomcat_No, warty is a stable release of Ubuntu.01:21
eb0xdrspin: i assume so, i got the cd in the mail recently01:22
Slackmanmsh__, slackware uses more of a bsd style init....01:22
eyequeuewarty isn't preview, warty is the current stable release01:22
blizahive made a launcher icon for firestarter (firewall), but it has to be run as root...can i make an icon execute the sudo command/01:22
blizah?01:22
koen_but why is unstable in my sources.list ?01:22
eb0xdrspin: i also updated last night to hoary01:22
eyequeueblizah:  in "command:" preface it with "gksudo "01:22
desrtdoes ubuntu have an rc.local sort of deal?01:22
eyequeueblizah:  "gksudo foo bar"01:22
farruinnblizah: it's gksu by default which won't work since there's no root password01:23
Slackmandesrt, i'd like to know that too01:23
drspineb0x: then you should be good... hmmm -- I'm stumped... try logging out, killing X [ctrl + alt + backspace]  and logging back in -- then ls /dev/dsp01:23
blizahperfect tnx guys01:23
eyequeuedesrt:  no, see 'man update-rc.d" for info on ubuntu's boot procedure01:23
eyequeueSlackman:  ^^01:23
desrtthx.01:23
Slackmancheers01:23
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koen_i don't get it, you tell me warthy is stable, but sources.list says different why ?01:23
farruinnkoen_: what?01:23
koen_Preview i386 Binary-1 (20041020)] / unstable main restricted01:24
koen_what does that line means ?01:24
eyequeuekoen_:  warty is stable.  you may have some old cd image that it read from01:24
koen_so that it bad ?01:24
eyequeuekoen_:  that looks suspiciously like it came off a cd01:24
koen_yes but a unstable cd ?01:25
eb0xokay drspin01:25
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koen_im kind of panicing, because my windows computer just got fried :)01:25
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eb0xim gonna try installing this alsa thing01:25
eb0xand see what that does01:25
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drspineb0x: hang on -- lemme try something real quick01:25
eb0xdrspin:  ok01:25
eyequeuekoen_:  warty becmae stable in october.  earlier versions probably called themselves unstable01:25
koen_hmm i should get a new cdimage i guess.. that sucks without a burner :)01:26
eyequeuekoen_:  deep breath :)  does your warty box have internet access?01:26
msh__so what would be the command for update-rcd?01:26
koen_yes01:26
koen_im on warhty now01:26
msh__update-rc.d inittab remove?01:26
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eyequeuekoen_:  i'll msg you a line to add to it, to make sure you have current pacakges, okay?01:26
koen_okay01:26
drspineb0x: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base01:27
msh__update-rc.d inittab remove?01:27
msh__so what would be the command for update-rcd?01:27
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Brunellus_OK.  progress.01:27
b0ltcan someone give me a hand with setting up ubuntu as the gateway for an adhoc wireless network?01:28
Brunellus_now I have timeouts instead of host not found01:28
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speedy2782I am trying to load a motorola wn825g onto my dell inspiron 1000. I am running Linux laptop 2.6.10-4-686 #1 Sat Mar 12 11:12:34 GMT 2005 i686 GNU/Linux. after ndiswrapper -i driver.inf and modprobe I get error. FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-4-686/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted. I am at a loss. Any suggestions.01:29
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eb0xdrspin: okay i did that and tried to go into my volume monitor and it tells me to run esd01:30
eb0xroot@ubuntu:/home/eb0x # esd01:30
eb0x/dev/dsp: No such file or directory01:30
eb0xroot@ubuntu:/home/eb0x #01:30
membreyanoone here knows how to use .patch files? or is it too complicated? :P01:30
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eb0xno i dont membreya sorry.01:31
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eyequeuemembreya:  man patch, but it's pretty simple, you MIGHT need a -p 101:31
ghitahello!01:31
eyequeuemembreya:  /usr/bin/patch -p 1< foo.patch type thing01:32
ghitacan somebody tell me how can i remove a package without its dependencies?01:32
ghitaplease!01:32
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Brunellus_ugh.  this is irritating.  in the extreme.01:33
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speedy2782how do I uninstall ndiswrapper01:35
Brunellus_speedy2782:  go to where you untarred ndiswrapper01:35
Jesteraceanyone know how to install alsa-cvs in ubuntu?01:35
Brunellus_then make uninstall01:35
scorpix_how can i make incremental backup for /home/user using tar and exclude hidden files?01:35
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Dr_Willishay all.01:35
ghitahow can i remove a package without its dependencies?01:35
Brunellus_speedy2782:  but first, remove any drivers you put on nidswrapper using ndiswrapper -e DRIVER01:35
Brunellus_where DRIVER=driver name01:35
heatxsinkcan someone help me in here with mounting my NTFS drive I'm having a problem01:36
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heatxsinki've looked at the FAQ's01:37
heatxsinkI tried what the put in there, and still no dice01:37
bammanyone using gdm-2.6.0.8 and gnome-2.10.0? I don't have a power off optioon in gdm anymore. The reboot option is still there01:37
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membreyahmmm eyequeue, doing a patch -p1 qc-usb-0.6.2-page_range.patch just left me with a blinking cursor :|01:37
eyequeuemembreya:  one magic character missing :)01:38
eyequeuemembreya:  patch -p1 < foo.patch01:38
mseneycan't seem to write an iso to my CD-R and I'm sure it's blank?01:38
membreya< not > ?01:38
eyequeuemembreya:  patch -p1 < foo.patch   means use foo.pathc as input, not output file01:39
membreyayou're a champ eyequeue :)01:39
eyequeueheh01:39
membreyalet's hope the module compiles :)01:39
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sophiefhi people of da free world01:39
sophiefhow about some help ?01:39
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alavistaMay I ask only one question?01:41
sophiefi'd like to watch dvd running hoary01:41
sophiefalavista ask01:41
eb0xCan anyone help me with an alsaplayer error?01:41
sophiefebox ask01:41
membreyathankyou SO much eyequeue, that patch fixed the problem :)01:41
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eb0xsophief: are you in #flood ?01:41
chizh_wau01:41
Brunellus_Ok.  one more time.  can anyone help me with my network printer?01:41
chizh_ok01:41
eyequeuemembreya:  glad to hear it :)01:41
eb0xI need to paste a whole bunch of stuff I get when I try to run alsaplayer01:42
chizh_hi to all .. i have a little problem with my eth0 ... does anybody have realtek rtl8139d01:42
membreyaI'm running 2.6.11, in the /lib/modules directory can I get rid of the 2.6.10 references?01:42
Brunellus_nobody out there?01:42
bammBrunellus_: setup cups yet?01:42
sophief#flood01:42
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sophiefebox ?01:43
eb0x?01:43
alavistasophief: DVD support is discussed in http://www.ubuntuguide.org/01:43
Brunellus_bamm:  I'm trying to get this (ubuntu) box to talk to a printer on a little print server thingie01:43
Brunellus_(it attaches to the parallel port of the printer)01:43
Brunellus_my windows box can see & print from that fine01:43
chizh_so does anybody try to connect thru realtek lan car01:43
Brunellus_for the windows box, it's an SMB printer01:43
sophiefalavista only for warty01:43
Brunellus_but I don't know how to make it run for this one01:43
sophiefi'dlike with hoary01:43
heatxsinkplease?01:44
bammBrunellus_: use samba to set it up on your local machine01:44
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speedy2782root@laptop:/home/benjamin # sudo ndiswrapper -i /home/benjamin/bcmwl5a.inf01:44
speedy2782Installing bcmwl5a01:44
speedy2782Forcing parameter RadioState|0 to RadioState|101:44
speedy2782Forcing parameter RadioState|0 to RadioState|101:44
speedy2782root@laptop:/home/benjamin # sudo modprobe ndiswrapper01:44
speedy2782FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-4-686/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted01:44
speedy2782root@laptop:/home/benjamin #01:44
alavistasophief: the basic idea is he same. Ubuntu cannot come by default with DVD support due to some licensing issues. Thus, it's an issue of installing this extra package.01:44
speedy2782anyone have any clue as to how to kick this problem let me know please01:45
alavistaspeedy2782: "Operation not permitted" is the magic word. You should run this command as "root", with "sudo"...01:45
eb0xThey were running it as root01:46
eb0x<speedy2782> root@laptop:/home/benjamin # sudo modprobe ndiswrapper01:46
sophiefalavista i know about the licensing problems01:46
farruinnspeedy2782: why are you using sudo as root?01:46
Brunellus_bamm:  I've been trying01:46
sophiefalavista and the extrapackages01:46
Brunellus_I don't know what I"m doing wrong01:46
chizh_haj anybody have realtek lan card?01:47
speedy2782alavista01:47
sophiefalavista but i didn't get one that works w/ hoary01:47
speedy2782does make a difference01:47
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bammBrunellus_: well what have you done so far01:47
alavistadamn, a cat just caught a bird outside in the garden, and the poor bird is screaming...01:47
Brunellus_bamm:  tried to add it as a network printer...01:47
speedy2782sudo modprobe ndiswrapper is what I put in there to get the error01:47
Brunellus_I select "SMB"01:47
Brunellus_for host, I put whatever I see on the "network" tab in nautilus01:48
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Brunellus_I set it to P1, since that's what worked on the other box01:48
Brunellus_and I set it to print a test page01:48
jack|hSo with Ubuntu, it looks like it's loading esd, causing interference with alsa?01:48
Brunellus_the test page never comes out.  it's showing a timeout01:48
jack|his there a way to make em... not interfere?01:48
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bammBrunellus_: use lpr from the command line to print directly to it01:50
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alavistajack|h: what programs show interference? perhaps run "gstreamer-properties"?01:51
speedy2782every driver I enter regardless if it is a real file or not still says invalid driver using ndiswrapper01:51
speedy2782what other methods of getting a driver to work under linux, ubuntu hoary01:51
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speedy2782is wifi just a lost cause on linux01:51
neighborleehey all what is the other file utility app called that is similar to 'file roller' ..i'm finding file roller very buggy01:52
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jack|halavista: well anything that tries to output via alsa says that it's busy01:52
speedy2782I I find a linux driver for my wifi chipset how would I load it?01:52
alavistaspeedy2782: you have a broadcom chipset, a black sheep. you should have better got a madwifi one01:52
speedy2782I also am attempting to use a realtek01:52
speedy2782netgear ma521 or a motorola wn825g. neither of them are working01:53
alavistaspeedy2782: realter is almost similar (grey ship?). are these pcmcia?01:53
speellol speedy your still having problems?01:53
speedy2782yes01:53
SuperLagspeedy2782: if it's Broadcom, you've resigned yourself to having to ndiswrapper or driverloader01:53
speedy2782I have been working on this for three days01:53
speedy2782ndiswrapper can suck my balls01:53
speelhave you ever posted on linuxquestions.org there usally better then this channel01:53
speedy2782I have been everywhere01:54
speelheh no offence to any one01:54
alavistaspeedy2782: if you get a madwifi based card (also knowed as Atheros), you will be very happy.01:54
speelthe pople from linuxquestions.org dident help?01:54
speelpeople*01:54
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Brunellus_speedy2782:  did you try removing *all* of ndiswrapper?01:55
speedy2782I will post there01:55
speedy2782yep01:55
Brunellus_nidswrapper -e DRIVERS01:55
speelokk01:55
speedy2782yep01:55
Brunellus_ok.  then did you go to the directory where you untarred ndiswrapper01:55
speedy2782I have actually reinstalled ubuntu once to try that01:55
speedy27823 days!!!! of this01:55
quaruptwtf is an ndiswrapper?01:55
Brunellus_speedy01:55
speellol01:55
speedy2782i used synaptic01:55
Brunellus_I know, it happened to me.  let me tell you what's what.01:55
speedy2782sounds like a good plan pm01:56
Brunellus_you have to go to wherever ndiswrapper dumped its makefile01:56
Brunellus_then you go in and execute01:56
speelor if your tired of all these problems kill everything by sudo rm -rf / lol jk dont do it01:56
bammanyone here using gnome 2.10?01:57
alavistandiswrapper and that broadcom chipset appear to work. http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/archive/index.php/t-29659.html01:57
speelbamm, i was but not any more01:57
bammspeel: happen to be using gdm-2.6.0.8 ?01:57
speelna01:58
speel2.6.0.301:58
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alavistaalsa problems: also at #fedora they discuss the same thing..01:58
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mikeptest02:00
speelany one tryed using the preview cd?02:00
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mikepspeel: i have.  could not connect to internet with it.02:01
speeldid you have problems with nautilus also?02:01
yadayadaspeel: I have and it was quite nice. :)02:01
farruinnspeel: I installed with it today02:01
speellike random windows closing02:01
farruinnoh, I don't use nautilus much02:01
speelah02:02
speelwith me when i tryed to view properties of certian things it would bug out i was like wtf02:02
speedy2782is using synaptic to complete uninstall ok, or do I have to use terminal?02:02
kmanTFM_ubuntu-desktop doesn't want to install because I have newer packages (from sid) installed on my computer and they conflict with the ones from ubuntu, how can I tell apt to froce a downgrade to install the needed packages ?02:02
yadayadaspeel: certain things as in local files?  or files on a network?02:03
speelah the horrors of installing debian made packages =/02:03
speellocal02:03
yadayadahmm,  I didn't have that problem myself then.02:03
farruinnkmanTFM_: pinning probably, you'd probably02:03
farruinnkmanTFM_: I think that might be possible through synaptic, but I've never tried it02:04
speelah02:04
speeli hope they fix these oddball things tho02:04
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tuppahrm02:05
tuppahas the way to edit the Applications menu changed in hoary?02:05
tuppaI don't seem to be able to find the necessary menu options to edit the Applications menu in the Ubuntu wiki...02:05
kmanTFM_can I mix hoary and debian repos ?02:05
speelkmanTFM_, you can but its not recommended02:06
speelbeacause the debain packages are diffrent then the ubuntu made ones02:06
yadayadaspeel: did you verify the md5 sum of the iso's before burning them?02:06
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speellike what libs it uses and all02:06
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BlissexkmanTFM_: sure, but use pinning, and you should know what you are doing :-)02:06
speelyadayada, nah02:06
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heatxsinkcan anyone help me with my sound card ?02:06
bammwhat's the issue?02:07
heatxsinkwell it seems to have the drivers and stuff working cause xmms is actually playing and not bombing02:07
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heatxsinkit seems like there's a mute02:07
yadayadaspeel: without checking that isn't it possible that a simple corrupted CD could be causing your crashing?02:07
heatxsinkbut I checked all of the mixer programs and the master nor the pcm channels are muted02:07
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speelpossibly :P02:09
speelhow do you check the md5sum? i never had beacause every linux distro worked02:09
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inner_Hello friends, I was asking for information about any hoary problem with sound quality, reported since last night's updates.02:09
Jesteraceit possible to grab a vanilla kernel from kernel.org and compile it02:09
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inner_I just want to say it was solved like magic after reconfiguring the following packages:02:10
speelinner_, are you a ubuntu developer?02:11
yadayadaspeel: what O/S are you in now?02:11
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speelwarty02:11
crimsuninner_: yes?02:11
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Marksteri'm really new with linux and am trying to install xmms but i'm getting an error message when trying to install it regarding no c compiler.. anyone??02:13
noppeMarkster: just use synapsis to install the package..02:14
Marksterwhat's synapsis?02:14
noppeerr synaptic02:14
eyequeuesynaptic (8)         - graphical management of software packages02:14
Marksterwheres that?02:14
noppego to system->administration02:14
noppethen click on synaptic..02:14
Marksterahh found it02:14
Marksterthanks :)02:14
noppebeep-player is another type of xmms player but it is more modern so to speak..02:15
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sophiefnoppe ?02:15
speelMarkster, to install gcc and all that good stuff you do sudo apt-get install build-essential* .. i think you have to add the extra repos tho02:15
noppebeep-multimedia-player02:15
noppeblah02:15
noppelong ass names02:15
occyDo you need anything special to play midi files?02:15
noppeoccy: timidity02:15
crimsunMarkster: why are you attempting to compile XMMS? Just use Synaptic to install XMMS.02:16
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noppecrimsun: uhh look up..02:16
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occynoppe: okies02:17
occycrimsun: heyaz ;)02:17
crimsunoccy: pong ;-)02:17
occycrimsun: I've been trying to lurk and help people from time to time.02:17
eyequeueMarkster:  don't compile packages in ubuntu, install them with synaptic or apt-get, or similar02:17
occycrimsun: at least I'm lurking. ;)02:17
crimsunnoppe: ...?02:17
eyequeueMarkster:  that said, sudo apt-get install build-essential, if you like compiling things02:17
inner_speel, I am not a ubuntu developer02:18
inner_I just found out a sound quality problem02:18
crimsuninner_: you pinged me earlier/02:18
inner_I reconfigured my alsa, oss and gstreamer packages02:18
speelah ok ;)02:18
inner_yes crimsun thx02:18
inner_I was about to ask you if there was any report on sound quality problems at hoary02:18
inner_not artifacts02:18
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inner_but lack of bass frequencies02:18
eyequeueoccy:  no need :)02:18
occyeyequeue: heh, I need stable. :P02:19
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crimsuninner_: hmm, that wouldn't be directly related to alsa _except_ in the emu10k1 case, and even then it's a hit-and-miss race02:19
eyequeueoccy:  i'm waiting too btw02:19
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speedy2781I am back with a new quesion02:19
occyonly have one machine and I need it for work.02:19
crimsuninner_: but to answer your question, no, I haven't seen any _quality_ bug reports02:20
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inner_crimsun: thx crimsun, maybe it was a gstreamer configuration problem, i reconfigured gstreamer services and it seems theres no problem now02:20
crimsunoccy: excellent! nice to see you back. :-)02:20
Jesteracecrimsun,  you have any helpful information for a person wanting to download and compile alsa from cvs?02:20
crimsuninner_: ok.02:20
inner_unfortunately i didn't do a serious tracking02:20
inner_so I don't know what fixed the problem02:20
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crimsunJesterace: need cvs specifically or just a newer version than what alsa-source in hoary/universe provides?02:21
inner_crimsun: I use a usb pre amp M-Audio soundcard.02:21
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speedy2781It is more than obvious that my newbility will not quite match up to the technical aspects of installing a wifi card on ubuntu. So. what card should I go out and spend money on that will play nicely with the hoary install, and 686, and whatever else. Linux laptop 2.6.10-4-686 #1 Sat Mar 12 11:12:34 GMT 2005 i686 GNU/Linuxto be exact02:21
Jesteracecrimsun,  yep, the ca0106 driver isn't in the universe02:21
occyheh, Please check /etc/timidity.cfg02:21
occycrimsun: I've never left. :)02:21
crimsuninner_: great. I use an M-Audio Transit myself, and I have a Delta 1010LT that's awaiting a new motherboard.02:21
eyequeuespeedy2781:  there was a page on the various wifi cards on the wiki, i thought02:22
occynoppe: timidity doesn't create one for you.02:22
eyequeuespeedy2781:  though perhaps that was about laptops?02:22
occynoppe: don't see anything in the man page that's helpful.02:22
speedy2781newbility of speedy2781 doesn't allow him to know "wiki"02:22
crimsunJesterace: actually it is if you're using hoary/universe.02:22
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crimsunJesterace: that is, of course, presuming that you're tracking hoary? :-)02:22
eyequeuespeedy2781:  i was pleased to find the centrino chipset was supported out of the box02:22
inner_crimsun: wow! I am glad to meet an audio professional developing for ubuntu!02:22
speedy2781great, I need a pcmcia card that will work with hoary02:22
speedy2781any ideas02:22
Se7hwhats the command line thing02:22
Jesteracecrimsun, yeah, i'm running hoary02:23
Se7hto check a directory size?02:23
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crimsunJesterace: sudo apt-get install build-essential fakeroot linux-headers-$(uname -r) alsa-source kernel-package02:23
eyequeuespeedy2781:  http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/02:23
speedy2781what I am looking at there02:23
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navreet<--filed atleast 5 bugs today, onto my 6th... woohoo!02:24
eyequeuespeedy2781:  you asked where the wiki was, i thought02:24
Jesteracei must have a respository not enabled02:24
squallbsris ubuntu hoary based on udev, hal, dmesg, etc??02:24
Jesteraceit can't find alsa-source02:24
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zyvhi everyone !!!02:24
squallbsrJesterace, do you have universal?  it might be in there..02:24
speelhi02:24
zyvi've a problem: i use an old pc with no ps2, so i use an adapter ps2->serial to use my mouse. What i've to do in my XF86Config-4 to get it working ! ??02:24
squallbsrJesterace: just check out the settings in synaptics02:24
crimsunJesterace: yes, you do need to enable the 'universe' repository, then sudo apt-get update02:24
Se7hwhats the command line thing to check a directory size? plz02:24
crimsunSe7h: du -02:24
inner_crimsun: I will backtrace my problem and try figuring out what went wrong.  I ll report to you guys If I find something worth to say.  Thank you so much. bye.02:24
crimsunSe7h: err, sorry: du -h <dir>02:25
Jesteracei feel embarassed02:25
Se7hoh02:25
Se7hdu02:25
Se7hok thank crimsun02:25
crimsuninner_: great, thanks.02:25
Jesteracewhen I dist-upgraded to hoary i forgot to uncomment universe02:25
squallbsrzyv you have to figure out the /dev device for your serial mouse and put that in your configuration, you might try "Auto" for the mouse protocol...02:25
zyvsquallbsr i'm sure its /dev/ttyS102:26
mdblitz1how do you check to see what services are running and how to turn them on or off?02:26
crimsunoccy: oh, I know you didn't leave :-)02:26
zyvsquallbst and i've tried with Auto PS/2 IMPS/2 Microsoft BusMouse protocol with no success02:26
crimsunoccy: how's training going, btw?02:26
Jesteracecrimsun,  there I have the sources installed now02:26
eyequeuemdblitz1:  you could nmap localhost02:26
zyvsquallbsr and i've tried with Auto PS/2 IMPS/2 Microsoft BusMouse protocol with no success02:27
occycrimsun: doing good... working on my 1/2 Ironman training now.02:27
crimsunoccy: great02:27
occycrimsun: 12 weeks to go.02:27
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crimsunJesterace: cd /usr/src/ && sudo tar jfx alsa-driver.tar.bz202:27
occycan't seem to get the damned thing to create a /etc/timidity.cfg file for me.02:27
mdblitz1nmap: command not found02:27
spiderwormhey all im pretty much arriving at the conclusion that fedora sucks ass.  im having all sorts of package upgrade problems and am looking for a easy to use desktop distro that has one centralized repo with every package known to man including mythtv packages and nearly perfectly stable bleeding edge packages... is this ubuntu?02:27
eyequeuemdblitz1:  apt-get it02:28
Jesteracecrimsun,  okay done02:28
eyequeuemdblitz1:  but ubuntu doesn't open any ports by default02:28
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stuNNedcrimsun: is there alsa cvs available in ubuntu?02:28
farruinnspiderworm: I think ubuntu is as close as you're going to get02:28
Jesteracecd /usr/src/modules/alsa-driver ?02:28
eyequeuemdblitz1:  unless you added something yourself, the answer should be "nothing"02:28
mdblitz1ok02:29
squallbsrzyv: if you cat /dev/ttyS1 and move your mouse, you'll see funky characters if its connected to the mouse (ctrl-c to exit)  thats a good check...02:29
crimsunstuNNed: cvs? no.02:29
crimsunstuNNed: 1.0.8 is available in hoary/universe via the 'alsa-source' package.02:29
zyvi've tried it squallbsr with no success too !02:29
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zyvwhat's the matter !?!? the ps/2->serial adapter ???02:29
stuNNedcrimsun: yes, my card just got 24-bit support but i have to patch against cvs to use it, i can wait i guess, would be nice though :)02:29
membreyagah, this webcam is driving me crazy >:(02:30
crimsunJesterace: sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source, and say no to PnP, yes to debug, and choose the ca0106 driver02:30
zyvi've tried serial ports with modems and it works squallbsr02:30
az[a] zel_ubuntusun distributes Java with an rpm, can ubuntu handle this ?02:30
spiderwormfarruinn: i used to use debian and i know ubuntu is based on debian, had probs with debian because i was running stable core and everything i wanted was in the unstable branch, trying to run those caused all sorts of problems, does ubuntu also have stable, testing, and unstable?02:30
squallbsrzyv: http://www.x.org/X11R6.8.2/doc/mouse4.html02:30
zyvok thnx squallbsr02:30
eyequeuespiderworm:  no02:30
Jesteracecrimsun, okay that's done02:30
squallbsrzyv: if you don't see the characters when moving the mouse, then you have the wrong /dev02:31
az[a] zel_ubuntuoh whoops, they do have a non rpm version.. nm02:31
spiderwormeyequeue: everything is considered stable?02:31
zyvlets try to type it right .. i can't copy/past, i've no mouse ;D squallbsr02:31
eyequeuespiderworm:  ubuntu's stable is much more recent than debian's, and there is also a development branch called hoary02:31
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eyequeuespiderworm:  warty is stable btw02:31
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crimsunspiderworm: Ubuntu has a stable branch like Debian's stable; its development branch is more akin to Sid but generally more stable because it's only snapshots of Sid.02:31
spiderwormwhere can i see the stable package list?02:31
zyvsquallbsr i've plug modems in serial ports and the devices are /dev/ttyS0 and /dev/ttyS102:32
farruinnspiderworm: what eyequeue just described to you was was I moved from debian to ubuntu02:32
eyequeuespiderworm:  i'd recommend starting with warty/stable, since it may be new enough for your needs02:32
honedo you know when in april hoary is coming out?02:32
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crimsunspiderworm: http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/02:32
crimsunspiderworm: then browse Warty's package list02:32
spiderwormok ty02:32
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Agrajaghoary seems pretty stable already though02:33
spiderwormwarty is stable, hoary is testing?02:33
Agrajagif yuo don't mind dealing with a few dozen megs of updates per day02:33
Agrajagyes02:33
Agrajagsoon hoary will be stable, and grumpy will be testing02:33
rattboiwhen?02:34
mdblitz1I'm using hoary and it seems to be fine02:34
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rattboiI'm using Hoary, and I think it's pretty great02:34
eyequeuespiderworm:  there is not direct correleation to debian's testing or unstable, but hoary is the development branch, to become stable next month02:34
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stuNNedHoary is at Release Candidate 1, right?02:34
rattboipreview02:34
speedy2781i found a linux driver my wifi card but it is for an older kernel02:34
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speedy2781will it work?02:34
az[a] zel_ubuntuhoary is more stable than a mandrake stable release02:34
itamarstso, I'm logging in to gnome session with gdm02:35
mdblitz1I used to use mandrake02:35
itamarstand no program start02:35
az[a] zel_ubuntumandrakes days are numbered on my machine02:35
spiderwormdamn.  looks like fedora's pretty installer and booting screen had me deceived02:35
crimsunJesterace: now, cd modules/alsa-driver && sudo debian/rules binary_modules KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r)/ KVERS=$(uname -r)02:35
az[a] zel_ubuntutired of bugs02:35
itamarstI rm -rfed all of .gnome, .gconf etc., same thing02:35
mdblitz1I installed ubuntu a couple of days ago and was amazed02:35
itamarstsuggestions?02:35
speedy2781how do I load a wifi driver for linux?02:35
itamarst(running Hoary)02:35
Jesteraceok02:35
Jesteraceit's compiling02:35
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johsoheya peeps :D02:36
mdblitz1speedy2781: you may have to compile it02:36
stuNNedrattboi: Preview Candidate 1?02:36
thullyHi - I was wondering what portable music player in the range of 1-5GB space is good for Ubuntu and is inexpensive? I was thinking iPod (yes, no ogg, but mp3 support is available on Linux and I haven't seen any OGG players in the same price range as the lower end iPods (mini and shuffle)02:37
honethully: carbon?02:37
stuNNedthully: one sec02:37
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regeyathully: well, I don't know how competitive the iRiver stuff is price-wise...eh02:37
johsohaving a little trouble with my mixer here - I've unmuted it once and now I can't mute it again?02:38
thullycarbon=no Ogg, and rio has a 90-day warranty vs.Apple's 1 year02:38
regeyaspeaking of:  I saw low-end iRiver boxes at the local Best Buy.  Vorbis capability for $99.  sweet.02:38
stuNNedthully: http://www.jetaudio.com/products/ <-looking at these, supports flac and vorbis02:38
thully256MB probably02:38
speedy2781how would I go about compiling it?02:38
stuNNedthully: but you probly want to do flac instead of ogg afaik02:38
stuNNedthully: or stick with mp302:39
johsoerhm, let me specify that. I have unmuted my mic and now I can't mute it again..02:39
johsowhat to do?02:39
regeyaguh.  or don't stick with mp3.  ick.02:39
stuNNedcuz flac files are huge02:39
speedy2781how would I compile a wifi driver?02:39
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quaruptanyone got GATOS woring with AMD6402:39
stuNNedregeya: so i've heard ogg isn't great on portable players for some reason unknown02:39
chizh_how about supporting realtek ethernet cards?02:40
speel./configure make make install02:40
regeyamp3 == LCD (lowest common denominator)02:40
chizh_i mean rtl8139D02:40
regeyastuNNed: poorly supported, takes more processor power02:40
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jonohey all02:40
Jesteracecrimsun,  okay it's finished compiling02:40
thullyFLAC= too huge for portable players 1-5GB02:40
stuNNedhi jono02:40
jonohi stuNNed02:40
spiderwormok looks like i'll be switching to ubuntu.  the guys in #fedora that "help" others are even pricks.  pardon my french but fsck fedora and fsck them.02:40
regeyawelln not poorly supported...there is the wuzzitcalled engine...uh...hm...nevermind.02:40
speelspiderworm, lolol02:40
thullywell, #debian is worse, I think02:41
crimsunJesterace: cd .. && ls *.deb02:41
regeyathere's some pricks here too, spiderworm, but thankfully few and far between...so far ;-)02:41
regeya#freebsd!02:41
Jesteracealsa-modules-2.6.10-4-k7_1.0.8-4ubuntu1_i386.deb02:41
thullyJust mention a winmodem and they will virtually hang you for that02:41
aethyris there an ubuntu equivalent of packages.gentoo.org?  (i.e. a place where you can watch for package updates)02:41
stuNNedregeya: so ogg is bad choice for all portable players that support it?02:41
johsoanyone, please?02:41
membreya_quarupt: ati software?02:41
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thr1ceikaro!  i have a question02:42
eyequeuespiderworm:  two points02:42
crimsunJesterace: excellent: sudo dpkg -i *.deb02:42
thullyAlso, don't ever dare install Debian via a different method than their installer, or the #debian nuts won't want to help you02:42
eyequeuespiderworm:  i think ubuntu is a great distro02:42
mdblitz1aethyr: I believe they call it the "universe" here02:42
spiderwormeyequeue: yes?02:42
quaruptmembreya, ya02:42
thr1ceikaro, you around?02:42
thullywhich is why Ubuntu is so good02:42
speedy2781I have a folder of drivers for realtek to install for my wifi card...but I have no clue how02:42
eyequeuespiderworm:  i think #ubuntu also provides great support02:42
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crimsunaethyr: the hoary-changes mailing list archive.02:42
aethyrcrimsun: danka02:42
spiderwormthere must be a but coming?02:42
regeyastuNNed:  not necessarily!  it's the common complaint I've heard about vorbis, though.  too much proc power, blah blah blah, I think most of it is an excuse to not support vorbis.  after all there are people who manage to use vbr mp3s without draining their batteries in a flash02:43
aethyrer, danke02:43
crimsunbitte02:43
speedy2781What are the steps I need to take to install the driver02:43
stuNNedcrimsun: on my laptop with Hoary if i 'dmesg|grep -i dsdt' it says initrd doesn't have a dsdt patch when on bugzilla it says it does...02:43
mdblitz1speedy2781: are they linux drivers or windows drivers?02:43
eyequeuespiderworm:  it's nice that both happen together, but a distro can be technically competent without having great people running it, heh02:43
Jesteraceuihoh02:43
ikarothr1ce, yes ?02:43
JesteraceUnloading ALSA sound driver modules: snd-bt87x snd-pcm-oss snd-mixer-oss snd-pcm snd-timer snd-page-alloc (failed; not removed: snd-bt87x snd-mixer-oss snd-pcm snd-timer snd-page-alloc).02:43
stuNNedregeya: ok thanks02:43
thr1ceikaro, what happend to your site?  :(02:43
ikarodont have hosting.02:43
regeyaheh...bailey's in my earl grey definitely wasn't the key to waking up :-}02:43
thullywell, I don't think I want to get less than 1GB of space or pay 1.5x as much to get OGG support02:43
az[a] zel_ubuntuok, is there a way to add an application to the applications menu? :)02:43
speedy2781they are linux02:43
crimsunJesterace: that's because they're in use02:44
ikarothr1ce, hardisk failed in the server.02:44
eyequeuespiderworm:  yes i'm thinking of a non-linux *nix :)02:44
speelaz[a] zel_ubuntu, right click the go to entire menu then add item02:44
quaruptmembreya, can ya help me?02:44
spiderwormeyequeue: what do you mean?02:44
Jesteracecrimsun,  it still wants to use my tv card instead of the ca0106 module02:44
honethully: yeah I jsut use my pda02:44
regeyathully:  if you're stuck with mp3 then, I suggest reading the manpage for lame and read up on --preset02:44
spiderwormeyequeue: bsd?02:44
crimsunJesterace: there are two approaches: (1) manually unload the ALSA modules and reload them, or (2) reboot02:44
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spiderwormeyequeue: openbsd or freebsd?02:45
eyequeuespiderworm:  yes, one of the bsd's, but i don't want to publically badmouth any and start flame wars02:45
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spiderwormoh ok02:45
thullyI've already got a collection of mp3 files... so anything else would mean re-encoding02:45
spiderwormnm then02:45
spiderwormlol02:45
neighborleeanyone unable to load gftp.png as icon under launch properties for gftp app ??02:45
thullyI looked into Rio Karma, but it looks like those all break after 6 months02:45
spiderwormso hows the ubuntu installer?  easy?02:45
spiderwormwill it have any probs setting up dual boot winXP/ubuntu?02:46
crimsuncurses-based, straight-forward.02:46
thr1ceikaro, gone for good?02:46
Jesteracecrimsun, well, it appears to work, I went to systems, preferences, multimedia selector and did a test of alsa and I got a sound tone :)02:46
Jesteracei ended up modprobe snd-ca010602:46
crimsunJesterace: great :-)02:46
Jesteracecrimsun, thanks a million :)02:47
crimsunnp02:47
JesteraceI wrote the steps in a notepad and I think I'll post them in the forum for others because I know i'm not the only one with that card :P02:47
Jesteraceas annoying as it is02:47
mseneyif anyone saw my very very far back post in here about my burning problem in nautilus. I solved it.02:47
mseneyStart gconf-> apps->nautilus-cd-burner02:47
mseneyturn burnproof, debug and overburn ON!02:47
speelany one knows how to get the md5sum of a cdrom?02:48
Jesteracei seen sblive! and was like whoah and bought it heh knew somethign was up for $3002:48
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Jesteracereboot time02:48
fas3rhi all02:48
fas3ri have bought a dwl-g650 and i want to install a antenna, do you know if i unsolder the ULF conector or I make a pigtail's cable with connector type MC??02:48
eyequeuespeel:  md5sum /dev/foo ?02:48
speelnope =/02:48
stuNNedcrimsun: any ideas on the dsdt or just comment on the closed bug?02:48
eyequeuespeel:  md5sum foo.iso, if it's a disk image02:48
quaruptmembreya, ya there?02:48
speelwell i burned the iso to a disk02:48
crimsunstuNNed: sorry, could you point me to the bug #?02:49
az[a] zel_ubuntuhmm, I can create a launcher on the panel, but not in the applications folder.. weird02:49
speelaz[a] zel_ubuntu,  same here lol02:49
ikarothully, no. will be up again soon. however im not so sure about the content, as the admin is being a jerk and didnt sent me the database.02:49
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stuNNedcrimsun: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=337902:50
ikarosomething will be up soon i hope, how it will look like or you'll find in it, its not so sure yet.02:50
thullyikaro - ?02:50
ikaroOops .. that was for someone else.02:50
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quaruptwhat package(s) do i need for dvd playback?02:52
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mike_douglasanyone notice that if you enter "failsafe terminal", exit then try to reenter GNOME, you have to chown .ICEauthority to log in02:52
membreya__gah, my dmesg is suddenly full of FAT: Filesystem panic on my windows mount :|02:53
az[a] zel_ubuntuwell I have azureus going, yay my life is complete02:54
bammquarupt: you have to install it manually02:54
crimsunstuNNed: ok, will look in a bit, busy atm02:55
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stuNNedcrimsun: ok thanks02:57
projectmayhemhey everyone i just downloaded neroLinux debian file... how do i unpackage it?02:57
membreya__oh damnit, my squid won't start now!02:57
JDahlprojectmayhem, if it's a Debian file, you can install it with dpkg -i xxx.deb02:57
projectmayhemthx02:58
projectmayhemit "encountered" some errors but its built for debian not ubuntu so that's expected... hopefully it'll still work, thanks guys!02:59
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Amaranthprojectmayhem: What error?02:59
membreya__my windows mount is listed as a read only drive now :|03:00
Amaranthmembreya__: Drive failure.03:00
projectmayhemdpkg-deb (subprocess): short read in buffer_copy (failed to write to pipe in copy)03:00
projectmayhemmembreya chmod?03:00
projectmayhemdpkg-deb: subprocess paste returned error exit status 203:00
membreya__projectmayhem: even as sudo I can't write anything to it03:00
Amaranthprojectmayhem: ouch03:00
crimsunprojectmayhem: make sure you have plenty of free space in /var/03:00
Amaranthmembreya__: you need to remount it03:00
projectmayhemhaha really? what'd i do...03:00
Amaranthmembreya__: But if it remounted as ro then the drive is more then likely failing03:01
projectmayhemmembreya go to... http://www.ubuntuguide.org/ it tells you how to automount windows drive...03:01
membreya__projectmayhem: I have it in my fstab03:01
membreya__it's worked all along03:01
membreya__gah03:01
membreya__is there anything to check a fat fs in linux?03:01
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membreya__or do i need to go to windows?03:02
projectmayhemmembreya sounds like you know more than i do then, i'm still relatively new to ubuntu and linux in general...03:02
Amaranthwhatever you do don't mount that drive again until you've scanned it03:02
Amaranthso you'll have to do it from linux somehow03:02
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Amaranthgoogle is your friend :)03:02
speeli hate that damn saying03:03
projectmayhemcrimsun what'd you mean by "make sure you have plenty of space in /var/"?03:03
eb0xDoes anyone know how to setup an IDENTD server for IRC?03:03
membreya__i only have one drive amaranth03:03
projectmayhemmore correctly, google.com/linux is your friend03:03
crimsunprojectmayhem: that means make sure you have free space in /var, i.e. /var is not full03:03
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Amaranthmembreya__: Ouchie, better look for a new one. :p03:03
eb0xI want XChat to be able to connect using identd03:03
crimsuneb0x: sudo apt-get install oidentd03:03
Amaranthmembreya__: Unless the FAT fs is just fucked up.03:03
projectmayhemcrimsun its not... but why woudl you say i need space in /var?03:03
eb0xty crimsun03:03
crimsunprojectmayhem: because the package needs to be unpacked.03:04
projectmayhemcrimsun oh ok, it installed fine it seems to be working...03:04
speeleb0x, are you using xchat now?03:04
crimsunprojectmayhem: ok.03:04
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projectmayhemcrimsun thx though03:05
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az[a] zel_ubuntuhttp://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#applicationsmenu -- this doesn't seem to work with gnome 2.1003:05
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crimsunaz[a] zel_ubuntu: it doesn't, the editing logic was ripped out quite a few months ago.03:06
az[a] zel_ubuntugreat...03:07
eyequeueeb0x:  are you behind any kind of external firewall machine?03:07
membreya__doing an fsck to check it now03:07
membreya__well it's a good excuse to go from a 120gb sata to a 200gb :)03:08
projectmayhemanyone have trouble w/ LimeWire only working in root? i've changed access privaleges to the folder and everything... can't get it to work03:08
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speelwouldent running it as root be a security risk lol03:08
niteriderhello03:08
FASTare the gnomebaker packages available thru apt-get ?03:08
projectmayhemspeel only a little ;)03:08
speellol03:08
niteriderhow do i set the windowing to stop opening new ones each time, i'd prefer it more like kde03:09
projectmayhemspeel its just a little scary that people could be cracking into my system every time i want to download a file... definitely not illegal, copyrighted music files ;)03:09
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farruinnniterider: each time what?03:10
ellshow many people in here are running hoary03:10
speelim sure itsnot illegal :P03:10
projectmayhemells not i03:10
projectmayhemspeel yeah... DEFINITELY not03:10
ellsprojectmayhem: I was until recently03:10
farruinnells: I installed the preview release to see if an install bug had been fixed03:10
speellol03:10
niteridersorry bad way of asking...the old way that nautilus worked03:10
projectmayhemells i have the liveCD though03:10
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farruinnniterider: oh! =)03:10
ellsit jacked up my computer03:10
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projectmayhemells that's why you gotta stick with the stable version ;)03:11
ellsthe new updates would not let me use the gui03:11
farruinnniterider: Computer>preferences>file manager03:11
projectmayhemells ouch03:11
ellsunderstand, but netapplet will only work in hoary03:11
FASTif i download a .deb package, how do i install it?03:11
farruinnniterider: go to the behaviour tab and select "always open in browser mode"03:11
projectmayhemells reinstall?03:11
ellsI cannot get it in warty03:11
ellshad to03:11
johsocan I somehovv get verbose output of the volume-controller?03:12
niteridercool....ty ty03:12
ellsprojectmayhem, are you using laptop03:12
farruinnFAST: if you really must, sudo dpkg -i *.deb03:12
ellsor desktop03:12
projectmayhemells nope regular desktop03:12
ellsokay03:12
ellsI am on a toshiba laptop03:12
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FASTthankls03:12
ellsI cannot get netapplet in warty03:12
gillesThe refresh on hoarty has some problems03:13
membreya__going back into windows people :P03:13
johsonooo :P03:13
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gilleswhen I put a file into the trash it doesn't disappear from the screen until i do a refresh03:13
projectmayhempoor membreya... i pity you03:14
speellol03:14
mechamechahi03:14
johsoFAST: dpkg -i <pakackage>03:14
ellsdoes anyone know of a warty source that has netapplet in it03:14
johsoduh03:14
mechamechahas anyone installed ubuntu w/virtual pc 2004?03:14
projectmayhemwindows serves one purpose for me... half life 2/counterstrike source!03:14
johsoI as a bit longer up in this vvindovv I see..03:15
projectmayhemells you have all the apt-get repos enabled? it might be on there maybe?03:15
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ellsprojectmayhem, mostly, what all do you have03:15
crimsundoes anyone use vlc, specifically wxvlc?03:15
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projectmayhemdunno i followed ubuntuguide.org... lemme see if it'll come up when i apt-get it...03:15
projectmayhemells i get "couldn't find package netapplet" so unless it has a diff name you can't get it through apt-get03:16
speelhmm im tempted to upgrade to hoary ... hmm hard decision03:17
ellsprojectmayhem, in hoary you can03:17
projectmayhemells did you get hoary fixed? or are you stuck having to use warty?03:17
ellsprojectmayhem, I am using warty again03:17
geneo93speel:  go for it03:17
ellsprojectmayhem, it works intiially until the updates start coming in03:18
speelwell last time i install using the cd nautilus would crap out on me03:18
projectmayhemells hm... google it? i can't imagine there isn't netapplet for warty out there somewhere...03:18
ellsprojectmayhem, I think it has somthing to do with x1103:18
ellswill do03:18
ellsprojectmayhem, I have debian on my desktop03:19
ellsit runs differently than ubuntu03:19
projectmayhemells i have no experience with debian... only fedora 3 and warty03:19
thullyBTW - speaking of netapplet,is this working well on Hoary currently - last i tried it it crashed a lot03:19
ellsthully: works good in hoary03:19
ellscant find it for warty though03:19
geneo93cant u use the src and compile it for warty03:20
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speedy2781I GOT MY WLAN WORKING!!!03:20
speedy2781DID I MENTION THAT IT TOOK SOMEONE BABYSITTING ME THROUGH IT!!!03:20
ellsgeneo93, alot of deps03:21
speelwooot speedy03:21
geneo93well i'm converting from mandrake this is much better than lame excuses03:23
projectmayhemhaha ells that could be just a SLIGHT pain in the butt to putt together...03:23
ellsprojectmayhem, I agree03:23
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xphi everyone :)03:25
xpI am new to ubuntu, I use knoppix, can someone tell me why I should change?03:25
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TQuidHi folks.03:25
projectmayhemells.... here03:25
projectmayhemhttp://packages.debian.org/unstable/gnome/netapplet03:25
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squallbsrI have no idea what the root password on this newly install hoary machine - HELP!03:25
projectmayhemells that help?03:26
TQuidJust installed ubuntu, nice system.  Unfortunately it seems to think my slash character is this:  03:26
JDahlxp, that's an odd question.. if you're happy with Knoppix, then noone is forcing you to change03:26
ellsprojectmayhem, am chekcing it now03:26
TQuidAny clues on fixing that  (Oh, and theres my question mark.  :))03:26
ellsthanks03:26
patl411im lookin into alternative oses03:26
projectmayhemells anytime, glad i could help the community... usually i'm on the opposite end of these conversations...03:26
TQuidThis is a Toshiba Portg 7200, fwiw.03:26
membreyahooray03:26
membreyamy filesystem LIVES!03:26
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projectmayhemmembreya but was it worth having to go into WINDOWS just to fix it? :-p03:27
squallbsrmembreya: congratz03:27
TQuidIts as if I have a French kbd or something.03:27
ellsI know the deal03:27
membreyait was because my pc had crashed about 4 times in a row (trying to get the friggin webcam working) so the files for squid became corrupt03:27
squallbsris there a default root password on ubuntu hoary installs??  cause it didn't ask me to set it on install03:27
patl411would u say that ubuntu is better that linspire?03:27
TQuidsquall, ubuntu is rootless03:27
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TQuidIt uses sudo for everything.03:28
danielsTQuid: try running setxkbmap -layout us03:28
TQuidSo Im told, and when I did a rooty thing earlier, my own password worked.03:28
squallbsrTQuid - you are probably not using the correct keyboard map, is the characters only a problem in X?03:28
TQuidHm.03:29
TQuidThat did it.03:29
projectmayhemsquall sudo isn't so bad once you get used to it... its really quite nice and no different from su -root on other distros03:29
ellsprojectmayhem, when I open it, is it dpkg -l file03:29
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projectmayhemits dpkg -i file i believe...03:29
projectmayhemlemme look03:29
ellsthanks03:29
squallbsrprojectmayhem: its useful to know it wanted MY password...03:29
TQuidsqualls, haven't tried non-X.  Maybe it's 'cause I selected Canadian?  Does ubuntu assume I mean Quebecois or something?03:29
projectmayhemsquall haha03:29
squallbsrprojectmayhem: thats 2x today I have misread stuff...03:29
TQuidsudo roxx0rs.03:29
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TQuidIt is the true sysadmin's friend; much improves how root privs are handled, as they're trackable.03:30
TQuidHow do I make that kbd layout change stick over a reboot?03:30
xpwell can anyone tell me if ubuntu is better than knoppix?03:30
geneo93TQuid:  i have a root pswd03:30
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TQuidI've only ever seen knoppix as a live CD.  I went to ubuntu because someone described it as "Debian without the bullshit."03:30
squallbsrgeneo93 - did you do something like sudo passwd root??03:30
crimsunxp: as a desktop? absolutely - but why take my opinion? try it yourself.03:30
danielsTQuid: the default for canadian locales is a french-based keyboard, yeah03:30
danielsTQuid: this will be fixed03:30
fr500hello03:31
xpcrimsun why do you think it is better?03:31
squallbsrTQuid: ubuntu is exactly that, with out the BS03:31
TQuiddaniels:  Aaah.  This Canuck thanks you.03:31
xpcrimsun knoppix won't detect my laptops modem, do you think ubuntu would?03:31
membreyaok, this is just annoying me now, everytime I reboot I have to uninstall and reinstall barrage03:31
danielsTQuid: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf, and change Option "XkbLayout" "fr" (or maybe it's us_intl instead of fr) to Option "XkbLayout" "us"03:31
geneo93xp you have to judge for yourself03:31
danielsTQuid: along with many others, it seems -- it's a popular bug03:31
membreyait complains about no sound device available03:31
membreyaoh well :)03:31
TQuidDanke daniels, that's what I need.03:31
xpgeneo93 come on man, give me some background03:31
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danielsTQuid: enjoy03:32
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crimsunxp: why do I think it's better? because it's clearly desktop-oriented. The packages fit cohesively, unlike Knoppix's mash of apt-get.org. There's a dedicated community around it, from forums to mailing lists to irc channels. The opportunity to get involved is wide open.03:32
geneo93i've been using linux for many years and i like ubuntu03:32
fr500is there a way to make services load in background so i get to boot faster?03:33
DarthFroggeneo93: I'm with you on that.03:33
fr500i am makieng some sort of media pc, and a faster boot up would be really good for me03:33
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JDahlfr500, I beleive time will work in your favor for that... it's being worked on03:34
fr500JDahl, hoary?03:34
geneo93DarthFrog:  hoary here03:34
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DarthFroggeneo93: I'm running Hoary/KDE.03:34
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TQuidFaster?  Dang, it already boots impressively fast, I thought.  Well, compared to FC3.  And hey, fitting all that on one CD--that rocks.03:35
xpis anyone aware of any good point of sale programs for linux?03:35
geneo93well i'm using kde atm also03:35
TQuidxp:  dang, there's one they use at the grocer's just down the street--squirrel, I think it's called?  Not to be confused with squirrelmail.03:35
squallbsranybody know if the bugzilla site is supposed to be using a home-grown SSL cert?  or is somebody doing a man in the middle?03:35
JDahlfr500, I remember seeing boot charts for Fedora, Debian and Ubuntu around half a year ago... they reduced boottime by a factor of 3, I think03:35
fr500TQuid, for a "media center" pc always more speed is better03:35
fr500bootup is my only concern03:36
fr500JDahl, i have seen that, it's quicker now03:36
TQuidI can respect you'd like it to be still better, fr500.  I just got ubuntu going yesterday so I'm still in the honeymoon stage.03:36
fr500JDahl, i hope software suspend is working nicely in hoary that would fix things for me03:36
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sanmarcos Is there a way to see what messages are in the queue of my MTA?03:37
fr500i'm downloading as we talk03:37
mdblitz1TQuid: I've had it running for 2 days since switching from mandrake andn I'm still in the honeymoon stage03:37
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squallbsrTQuid: sometimes with anything that honeymoon stage doesn't exist.  I was using gentoo 20 min ago...  was giving me nothing but headaches...03:37
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squallbsrTQuid: now rhythmbox doesn't want to play streams...03:37
eyequeuesanmarcos:  sure, the man page of your mta should explain how03:37
fr500i have fc3 suse and ubuntu, ubuntu is the best from noob user standpoint03:37
sanmarcoseyequeue: thats very helpful03:37
jeff_if, if i was to run a secure, high performance server should i choose ubuntu or debian03:38
pantzcan anyone tell me what this error means ...03:38
pantzroot@faramir:/home/pantz # modprobe sg03:38
pantzFATAL: Error inserting sg (/lib/modules/2.6.10-4-386/kernel/drivers/scsi/sg.ko): Invalid module format03:38
TQuidAll my friends tried to push gentoo on me.  I'm really not interested in compiling all my crap, thank you.  Especially when my main home machine is a PIII-350 or something like that.03:38
crimsunpantz: please update && upgrade. ABI problem introduced by an inotify update that has been reverted in -2703:38
pantzis the module not built for my running kernel?03:38
TQuidsanmarcos, mailq.03:38
visoris it possible to upgrade warthy to hoary from the iso (you know, mounting it and then doing it from synaptic or something alike)?03:38
projectmayhemthx for the help guys03:38
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jeff_hey guys03:38
BlissexTQuid: are you sure they are your ''friends''? Friends tell friends to say NO to Gentoo and other ''slow deaths''.03:39
TQuid*snrk*03:39
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mdblitz1heh03:39
jeff_what should i run for a secure high performance server, ubuntu or debian?03:39
JDahlcrimsum, you mentioned yesterday that matplotlib still needs some work for python2.4... I installed it for my new Hoary box, and it seems to work flawlessly03:39
crimsunjeff_: either.03:39
Blissexjeff_: a powered off PC is very secure...03:39
TQuidjeff_, depends.03:39
crimsunJDahl: I'm referring to python-matplotlib03:39
TQuidHow severely are your nuts on the line for it?03:39
mdblitz1Blissex: I don't think it would serve much though03:39
jeff_i mean, people are telling me to use debian instead of ubuntu03:39
jeff_very severely03:39
TQuidWhich has a better support plan?03:40
crimsunJDahl: hence my reference then to the python transition03:40
geneo93visor:  just change to repositories to hoary03:40
JDahlcrimsun, oh - ok03:40
jeff_but i dont really see the main differnece03:40
mdblitz1ubuntu is easier to use03:40
visorgeneo93: yeah, but i already downloaded the CD so i was wondering... (and i save the bandwith/time) :)03:40
mdblitz1debian not so much03:40
TQuidI've been sysadminning a few years now, by myself, and frankly my ability to get help when there's a problem is sometimes a lot more important than the stability as such--nothing is 100% stable & secure.03:40
crimsunjeff_: in the end, it's the admin that makes the server, not so much the distro.03:40
jeff_im not concered about ease of use03:41
jeff_right03:41
TQuidAnd if you don't have a backup plan, it's pointless even to quibble about that; if it dies, it kills your business.03:41
visorTQuid: thats one of the most clever thing i have read in some time the "my ability to get help when there's a problem is sometimes a lot more important than the stability..."03:41
visorxD03:41
geneo93visor:  well i'm on 28800 here so i go through same thing03:41
pantzcrimsun, I get the same error after update && upgrade03:41
TQuidvisor:  voice of bitter experience, man.  :)03:41
jeff_i just want to know, why one would choose debian over ubuntu for serious server use03:42
crimsunpantz: you have to reboot into the new kernel.03:42
pantzit didn't update my kernel i don't think03:42
visorand i have seen that this community around ubuntu is very kind :) feels warm, and its free03:42
fr500jeff_, i'd use ubuntu and find myself a nice hw firewall03:42
TQuidjeff_, well, some years ago I had this impression of debian as a "solid" distro; that's kind of marketing though.  Of course, at the time, apt was like a revelation from God compared to the other package maintenance tools.03:42
pantzcrimsun, root@faramir:/home/pantz # uname -a03:43
pantzLinux faramir 2.6.10-4-386 #1 Fri Mar 11 12:12:36 GMT 2005 i686 GNU/Linux03:43
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fr500i have been on for 2 weeks, no probs for me03:43
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crimsunpantz: dpkg -l linux-image-$(uname -r)|grep ^ii|awk '{ print $3 }'03:43
geneo93jeff_:  i would use bsd for that03:43
HytakHi, I heard comments, and is Ubuntu suited for my pentium2, 233mhz with 128mb of ram?03:43
fr500jeff_, with on i mean no reboots or anything03:43
pantzroot@faramir:/home/pantz # dpkg -l linux-image-$(uname -r)|grep ^ii|awk '{ print $3 }'03:43
pantz2.6.10-2703:43
crimsunpantz: you need to reboot.03:44
fr500Hytak, it'll work, works on my PII laptop, slowly for syre03:44
fr500sure03:44
visorgeneo93: so upgrading from warthy to hoary didnt mess up something? (you know, gnome session or something)03:44
pantzcrimsun, ok hang on03:44
HytakWell wich wm you use fr500?03:44
fr500wm?03:44
Hytakgui03:44
HytakWindow manager03:44
fr500oh03:44
jeff_yea, well my dsl modem has a firewall built in03:44
fr500lol03:44
fr500gnome03:44
jeff_geneo93, i am thinking bsd as well.03:44
HytakHUmm ok... how many ram ou have on your laptop?03:45
geneo93visor:  didn't for me but that was some time back03:45
fr50012803:45
HytakAnd it run.. almost fine?03:45
fr500well it freezes, because on chip is broke03:45
fr500windows, fc2, everythig freezes eventually03:45
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fr500but works03:45
HytakAnd what about the system itself?03:46
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HytakLike, if I use a lighter WM03:46
fr500it's stable, takes a bit to draw windows but that is to be expected03:46
fr500i work on an isp so it's a warrior pc, so i use command line mostly03:46
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HytakOk03:47
jimarkohi all!03:47
HytakSO, thanks03:47
HytakBut, is it true that the kernel 2.6 is faster than the 2.4?03:47
makyohello! anyone could help me... I'm installing Ubuntu and I can continue with the installation because I get grub frozen at stage 1.503:47
crimsunfaster? in most cases, yes.03:47
crimsunbut "faster" needs qualification.03:47
makyoI mean, I can't continue03:48
HytakCould you elaborate?03:48
geneo93i do have hoary with working nvidia also03:48
crimsunHytak: many of the subsystems have been overhauled03:48
crimsunHytak: scheduler, memory management, block laye03:48
crimsunr03:48
Hytakcrimsun> I do not understand the word overhauled, not enlgish-native03:48
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fr500crimsun, you mean, it's a bit heavier now? more resource hungry03:49
crimsunHytak: changed, updated, improved03:49
fr500overhauled means remade03:49
fr500retooled03:49
Hytakok03:49
blizahhow do i go about closing ports?03:49
HytakSo is it better to use the 2.6x or 2.4x?03:49
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geneo93rebuilt03:49
crimsunfr500: no, I mean they were made more efficient03:49
fr500ok03:49
crimsunHytak: generally speaking, 2.603:49
blizahand how do i tell if they are allowing outbound but not inbound, or both etc...03:49
HytakI suppose there is something wrong about the 2.6, although...?03:50
gilleshi03:50
crimsunHytak: wrong? no. Sure, like any software, it can be improved...03:50
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skreetAny word on the "corrupt fglrx" issue?03:50
skreetNo new kernel modules etc etc.03:50
HytakOk, thanks. A last question. If I downlaod it tomorrow, wich version of Ubuntu am I better to download?03:51
fr500is hoary preview considered stable?03:51
skreetfr500, Works well here.03:51
gillesIs it possible to have different font and size for different writting on Gnome ? (like a certain font size when it's written in french, another font size when it's written n chinese) ?03:51
skreetfr500, no major issues.03:51
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fr500lol03:51
makyoanyone could help me wih grub hanging at stage 1.5 in a new install?03:51
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Hytak4.10 or 5.04 or...?03:51
fr500betas worked for me, skreet i mean is it considered a stable release or testin release03:51
skreetfr500, Oh, it's a preview, I think thats in the middle somewhere?03:52
fr500ok03:52
crimsunmakyo: see Hytak's question.03:52
fr500well i'll wait for stable as my wary is working wonders03:52
HytakHu?03:52
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makyoaaah...sorry...didn't know he was asking that to me03:52
skreetAnyone here running an ATI card with 2.6.10-4 kernels?03:52
dashskreet: i am03:52
skreetdash, Did you have any issues getting the fglrx driver working/03:53
dashskreet: not really03:53
dashskreet: it doesn't play nice with swsusp, but that's all03:53
skreetswsusb?03:53
crimsunskreet: dpkg -l linux-image-$(uname -r)|grep ^ii|awk '{ print $3 }'03:53
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dashsuspend-to-disk03:53
skreetFATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.10-4-686/kernel/drivers/video/fglrx.ko): Invalid module format03:53
skreetAh.03:53
makyoI have 4.1003:53
crimsunskreet: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade, then reboot.03:53
skreetcrimsun, Will try.03:54
HytakThans to answer my questoin, gtg03:54
makyo<Hytak> 4.1003:54
HytakI wasn't sayin that for that, sry makyo03:54
makyooooh03:54
makyook03:54
HytakIt was relaying to my previous question03:54
crimsunmakyo: have you tried with the Hoary preview?03:54
makyono03:54
crimsunHytak: I used your statement. :-)03:55
makyoI would like to go stable03:55
crimsunmakyo: ok. Hoary goes stable in ~3 weeks, so it could certainly use the testing.03:55
dashanybody here using eclipse on hoary? :)03:55
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makyoI've found other people having the same issue but no real answer...03:55
crimsunmakyo: regarding GRUB problems, though, try searching the wiki (http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/) or the mailing lists.03:56
fr500crimsun, are the nice gui installer and such included in preview?03:56
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crimsunfr500: curses-based installer.03:56
makyoI did... but can't find an answer03:56
fr500crimsun, i havent seen it03:56
crimsunmakyo: and a web search?03:56
fr500crimsun, what does that mean?03:56
makyothe same...03:56
crimsunfr500: similar to the Debian Sarge installer.03:56
fr500hmmm, lol same thing no idea, let me google for a bit03:57
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dashfr500: it has pretty colors03:57
fr500ok03:57
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dashfr500: but you can't use the mouse03:57
fr500lol03:57
makyoanyone here has had any problem with grub hanging at stage 1.5 during install?03:57
fr500dash, fc3 best feature is that, the installer03:57
ennteewhat's broken about nvidia?03:57
ennteeit seems to be working for me.03:57
dashfr500: if i installed linux more than i used it, i might be interested!03:58
crimsunenntee: it's not broken in -2703:58
fr500fc3 installer is fool proof and noobs dont fear it03:58
geneo93makyo:  i did so i used lilo03:58
spiderwormfr500: can i just tell you that from very personal and painful experience of mine and a friend of mine, FC3 sux03:58
ennteecrimsun: ah, nice.03:58
fr500spiderworm, how?03:58
makyo<geneo93> how can I uninstall grub and switch to lilo?03:58
fr500spiderworm, besides it's a bit slow i havent had troubles with it03:59
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ennteeI have a question. update-grub is installs five duplicate entries in menu.lst, even though I have "howmany=1" in the config. Any way to fix it?03:59
spiderwormfr500: well if their tiny collection of fully supported packages is all you need, great.  but as soon as you step outside the box, start to mix repos, all hell will eventually break loose03:59
geneo93makyo:  i did a reinstall from that point04:00
fr500spiderworm, happens on every distro, but i agree04:00
dashfr500: it doesn't happen on every distro04:00
crimsunenntee: what is the exact syntax of the line?04:00
spiderwormfr500: sure it does, but from what i can see, the box you cant step out of is much much bigger with ubuntu04:00
fr500dash, i have manadaged to break all of them :p04:00
dashfr500: some people are gifted, i suppose04:00
ennteecrimsun: of which line?04:00
fr500hehe04:01
crimsunenntee: howmany=04:01
ennteecrimsun: ah, i'll check.04:01
factotumi suppose that goes with any sort of package management system04:01
fr500anyone with laptops and hoary?04:02
dashme!04:02
ennteecrimson: howmany=104:02
fr500dash, is "hibernation" working?04:02
dashyes04:02
fr500cool04:02
fr500and Fn keys?04:02
fr500what brand of laptop?04:02
crimsunenntee: is that the entire line?04:02
ennteecrimsun: yep!04:02
dashfr500: ibm thinkpad T4204:02
dashand yes04:02
mikepfr500: i tried but internet would not work. went back to warty.04:02
crimsunenntee: it needs to be in the parsed section, and it needs to be commented out.04:03
ennteecrimsun: ohhh04:03
fr500mikep, what do you mean? hoary?04:03
crimsunenntee: e.g.: # howmany=504:03
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ennteei assumed it needed to be uncommented. i'm lame.04:03
ennteecrimsun: thank you04:03
membreyaanyone here recommend reiserfs as a fs for storage?04:03
fr500dash, if you use software suspend, on "reboot" you get grub menu or ubuntu at once04:03
fr500dash, i hope grub menu04:03
mikepfr500: yes, could not get wireless to work with hoary preview04:03
crimsunmembreya: it works fine as a general-purpose fs04:03
dashfr500: grub, of course04:04
ennteemembreya: i use it on my file server, no complaints.04:04
membreyawould you recommend it above vfat? :P04:04
fr500dash, nice, i'll be on hoary in a couple of hours then04:04
dashfr500: it's _software_ suspend, it doesn't kick in until the kernel boots :)04:04
fr500dash, lol, still dont understand, but if it works its nice for me04:05
crimsunmembreya: is that a trick question?04:05
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fr500dash, it's for my media center / router /internet pc project, my laptop is my test rig now, and soft suspend will get a faster boot than turning off i guess04:05
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membreyanope, serious question crimsun :P04:06
membreyait's my windows data drive04:06
dashfr500: slightly faster04:06
diddid04:06
fr500hmmm define slightly04:06
membreyafr500: why not suspend to disk?04:06
dashfr500: it saves having to login and start things04:06
fr500membreya, isnt it the same thing?04:06
dashmembreya: that is what he is talking about04:06
drspinIf I want to install graveman from the Hoary repos on my warty system, will upgrading the dependencies break my ubuntu?04:06
fr500i want suspend ala windoze04:06
dashfr500: it does not play nice with GLX, in my experience04:06
fr500that is way faster04:06
fr500GLX?04:07
membreyawell there's suspend to memory and suspend to disk ..aka suspend / hibernate04:07
dashyeah, suspend-to-ram does not work very well here04:07
fr500membreya, cool, that is what i meant then, works out of the box?04:07
dashfr500: pretty much04:07
membreya:P04:07
fr500ok04:07
dashfr500: just one thing you have to do:04:07
membreyagah!!! convertfs doesn't do vfat >:(04:07
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crimsundrspin: just use the warty version of graveman.04:08
fr500dash, shoot04:08
fr500:p04:08
drspincrimsun: it's not showing u in my repos04:08
dashfr500: put resume=/dev/some/volume on your kernel commandline04:08
dashfr500: giving it a swap volume04:08
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drspincrimsun: but it shows up when I enable the hoary repos04:08
dashfr500: (so it knows where to load the hibernate from)04:08
fr500dash, a bigger swap than defautl would be better i guess? it makes a 512mb by default04:09
bcaesarI have a glx question04:09
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dashfr500: well it needs to be big enough to accomodate everything in ram, to say the least04:09
fr500downloading at 128kb/s, 40 mins and i'll be trying it04:09
fr500and with bittorrent, i love being at work04:09
fr500(for once)04:09
membreyaback to windows to convert the drive to ext3 then to reiserfs :|04:09
gillesIs it possible to have different font and size for different writting on Gnome ? (like a certain font size when it's written in french, another font size when it's written n chinese) ?04:10
bcaesarwhen I try to run the glxgears command I get a segmentation fault, the same happens whenever I try to run the game 'privateer' does anyone know what the problem could be04:10
dashfr500: do you already have warty installed?04:11
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makyogoooood!!! Ilio works!!! no more hags with grub!!04:11
GhostFreemanHow can you guys sit here and answer TS questions all day04:11
GhostFreemanit baffles me04:11
membreyahmmm what reiserfs type does ubuntu use?04:11
fr500dash, yes i do04:12
regeyaTS?04:12
fr500dash, but apt-get dist-upgrade killed it for me04:12
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dashfr500: "killed it"?04:12
fr500well had to fix gnome04:12
GhostFreemantech support04:12
fr500not here though04:12
membreyaie, does it use reiserfs4?04:12
fr500i like the iso for reusability, so it's better anyways04:12
HytakHi back, I just remebered something I had to ask: are the kernel source included ? Because I will need them, so...04:12
dashfr500: also, long experience with debian has taught me to never ever use dist-upgrade :)04:12
fr500ok04:13
dashHytak: there is a source package available04:13
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HytakOn the cd?04:13
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dashHytak: as well as tools to make debian packages04:13
ago73Hi all04:13
HytakFor both 2,4 and 2.6?04:13
fr500Hymie, are you on dialup?04:13
HytakTHanks04:13
fr500that was for Hytak04:13
dashHytak: oh, on the CD? hmmm04:13
HytakYes, on the cD04:13
ago73I cannot modprobe ntfs with 2.6.10-404:13
ago73ntfs: disagrees about version of symbol struct_module04:13
HytakIF they are not on the cd, where can I get them?04:14
ago73I am using stock kernel and modules04:14
ago73any idea?04:14
crimsunago73: please update && upgrade, then reboot.04:14
ago73ok04:14
ago73thx04:15
crimsunnp04:15
fr500crimsun, reboot required?04:15
crimsunfr500: absolutely. You need to be running the new kernel.04:15
fr500Hytak, thats why i ask if you on dial up04:15
fr500crimsun, oh ok04:15
HytakYes I am04:15
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fr500Hytak, that kinda suks04:15
crimsunregeya: multiverse.04:15
HytakBut the  sunday I have acess to a high-connection04:16
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fr500Hytak, apt sorts almost all of that for you04:16
HytakWell, there is ONE problem04:16
HytakTO use apt, we need internet. I have dialup. So I need driver for my modem, To install driver for my modem, I need kernel sources.04:17
fr500hmmm04:17
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fr500Winmodem?04:17
HytakYes.04:18
HytakBut I have the driver.04:18
fr500well tomorrow is sunday04:18
HytakYes, I have to know if ther kenel source are included on the cd04:18
HytakIf not, to download it on an other cd04:18
fr500o dont think it is04:19
crimsunHytak: linux-source-2.6.8.1 is on the cd04:19
HytakWhere can we find them, so?04:19
HytakOk04:19
HytakThis is on 4.10 or 5.04?04:19
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farruinnHytak: 4.1004:20
HytakOk04:20
farruinn5.04 has 2.6.1004:20
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HytakAm I better to download 4.10 or 5.04?04:21
kutucape4.1004:21
kutucapeor wait till April04:21
crimsunHytak: the Hoary preview if you're looking for current versions O:-)04:21
Hytakhumm04:21
HytakI guess  there's nothing wrong with 5.0404:22
fr500java kinda freezes when loading some applets, wrong place to ask right?04:22
fr500bowser freezes would be more correct04:22
fr500browser04:22
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SidDithersLhey guys. I'm new to ubuntu and I really could use some help setting up ndiswrapper. I downloaded ndiswrapper*.deb, and I ran sudo dpkg -i ndiswrapper*.deb but when it finishes it still wont run in the terminal04:23
SidDithersL:/04:23
dashSidDithersL: what won't run in the terminal?04:23
SidDithersLndiswrapper04:23
SidDithersLafter typing sudo dpkg -i ndis*.deb04:23
regeyafun fact:  bowser of sha-na-na went to julliard.04:23
fr500SidDithersL, did u install it as fakeroot?04:23
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crimsunSidDithersL: tried https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper ?04:23
fr500SidDithersL, are you sure you need it (ndiswrapper)?04:24
SidDithersLfakeroot? I just opened a root terminal under applications and tried it04:24
SidDithersLim pretty sure I do fr50004:24
SidDithersLI dont think my broadcom chip is supported natively04:24
fr500SidDithersL, you need to type sudo su first04:24
dashfr500: not if he has a root terminal open04:24
fr500oh04:24
fr500lol04:24
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SidDithersLone sec04:27
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SidDithersLrofl04:31
SidDithersLmozilla that comes with ubuntu cant verify ubuntulinux.org04:31
SidDithersLas a safe site04:31
SidDithersL:P04:31
jimarkohey, speaking of sudo, how many people went and enabled the root account?04:31
geneo91maybe its not safe04:32
geneo91me04:32
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dashjimarko: i've been using sudo on all the other boxes i admin for years, i was glad to see that ubuntu enabled it by default :)04:32
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LevanderIs there any web application that will let me what choose music to play on the machine that is running the web server?  As opposed to playing the machine on the client?04:35
SidDithersLI think I enabled it04:35
SidDithersLand once I can get ndiswrapper up and running i need to disable it again04:35
SidDithersLok I followed the ndiswrapper howto04:36
SidDithersLwhen i run ndiswrapper -l, it tells me "bcmwl5 hardware present"04:36
SidDithersLno drivers present04:36
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heatxsinkhello all04:36
SidDithersLand yet, at the same time, iwconfig can find my routers signal, as well as the other networks in my area04:36
SidDithersLand I have 100% signal strength04:36
SidDithersLbut ndiswrapper still doesnt report the drivers as present04:36
fr500SidDithersL, maybe your wifi card is supported natively04:37
fr500fr500, what is the name of the adapter in iwconfig?04:38
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fr500ndiswrapper names it wlan0 i think04:38
heatxsinkI have a Audigy2 ZS sound card, when I ran warty it worked great, when I upgraded to hoary, it seems to still work but no sound is comming out of my speakers, I've checked the mixer channels like master and pcm, and they are both unmuted and at full volume, when I run xmms it plays with no problem, I also checked in Xmms to make sure the right output device was selected, and it works with either ALSA out, or OSS out.  HELP?04:38
SidDithersLim creating wlan0 in the network config through ubuntu now, gimmie a sec04:38
dashheatxsink: mmmm fun04:39
heatxsinkdash, yes :-)04:39
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heatxsinkdash, I'm thinking when I upgraded I overwrote some config file I shouldn't have04:39
dashheatxsink: does gdm make noises?04:39
heatxsinkno04:39
SidDithersLyeah its wlan0 fr5004:39
SidDithersL*fr50004:39
heatxsinkheatxsink, gdm does not make noise04:39
dashheatxsink: Hmm. do you have polypaudio installed?04:40
SidDithersLon a side note04:40
heatxsinkdash, checking04:40
fr500SidDithersL, weird, maybe it's path issues04:40
fr500try #ndiswrapper04:40
SidDithersLin network Settings, when I click the box to activate wlan0, it stays checked for a second, then unchecks itself04:40
heatxsinkdash, no, install?04:40
dashheatxsink: no04:40
fr500SidDithersL, try iwconfieg wlan0 essid on04:40
heatxsinkdash, damn..i just did04:41
fr500SidDithersL, does your ap have DHCP04:41
dashheatxsink: heheh04:41
dashheatxsink: it was just a question!!@04:41
dash;)04:41
heatxsinkdash, does that make my situtaion worse?04:41
geneo91SidDithersL:  when you check box then quit app it connects04:41
dashheatxsink: Maybe04:41
jeff_when useing lynx04:41
jeff_where does it usually downlaod to04:41
dashheatxsink: having it installed gave me symptoms like that04:41
dashjeff_: to .04:41
heatxsinkokay removed it04:41
SidDithersLFr500 it just returned me to the terminal prompt04:41
heatxsinkwhew04:41
heatxsinkdash, you have an audigy too?04:42
dashheatxsink: no04:42
jeff_dash, was that  joke04:42
jeff_lol04:42
dashjeff: no04:42
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dashheatxsink: whenever i have audio problems i use aumix to look at the levels04:42
dashheatxsink: it shows all of the sliders for the oss mixer :)04:43
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thullyhi - I'm happy to say I can ditch Windows now!04:44
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dashthully: HOORJ04:44
thullyI found out that you can use the itunes store on Linux using a GNOME app04:44
dashyes :D04:44
jimarkogtkpod :D w00t04:44
thullyno - ipod and the store also04:45
jimarkooo, really?04:45
thullythere's a third-party client - may have some legal issues though (a la DeCSS)04:45
jimarkoah, ok04:45
heatxsinkthully, ?04:46
heatxsinkthully, how?04:46
jimarkowine?04:46
thullyalso,you can run the iTunes client in crossover04:46
heatxsinkdman..04:46
mdblitz1thully: shouldn't have a legal issues itunes is free04:46
heatxsinkdash, damn, still nothing04:46
thullyno - it doesn't use the itunes app - it's a third-party interface for the store04:46
heatxsinkaumix shows everything like the mixer gui04:46
heatxsinkthully, awesome, someone figured out how the webservice works!04:47
mdblitz1as long as they (apple) are still making money I can't see them caring too much04:47
thullyAlso, I think there is a DMCA exception for interoperability04:47
heatxsinkDMCA?04:47
thullyDMCA - Digital Millennium Copyright Act - google it for more info04:48
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regeyayou speak of a third-party itunes music store app04:49
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crimsunI use iTunes and export using JHymn04:49
heatxsinkdoes anyone else in here use a KVM, and find that when they goto another machine then come back to their box with ubuntu, their scroll wheel doesn't work?04:49
jimarkoheatxsink: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fdman&r=f04:49
thullyPyMusique - google it04:50
jimarkothat link has nothing to do with anything technical..04:50
jimarkobtw :D04:50
heatxsinkjimarko, damn you04:50
heatxsinkjimarko, :-)04:50
jimarkolol, its all good :D04:50
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WebMavenHi folks, what is the default password for a Hoary LiveCD?04:52
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thullyTo use that you need all the gstreamer plugins installed04:52
thullyThis actually helped sway my decision to get an iPod - native AAC support, so no transcoding necessary04:53
WebMavenI managed to lock myself out of the desktop, and it says the username is 'ubuntu', but I don't know what the password is.04:53
thullyubuntu is the password - i think04:54
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WebMavenno, I tried that.04:54
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WebMavenalso tried hoary04:54
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thullyhmm - dunno - maybe try no password at all?04:54
ryan450hey gang, got a simple one for ya.. how do I get GCC compiler installed? I used the synaptic package manager to install gcc 3.4, but when I got to compile it says its not in $PATHS04:55
jimarkocan you sudo the command 'passwd' and change the password?04:55
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WebMavenno password doesn't work either.04:55
jimarkoryan450, try 'apt-get install build-essentials'04:55
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WebMavenjimarko: I suppose I could go to tty1 and change the password, but what's the point with a liveCD?04:56
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jimarkoWebMaven, too true..04:56
jimarkolol04:56
WebMavenI'm not worried I'll lose any data, after all.04:57
WebMavenI can just reboot.04:57
WebMavenBut I'd like to know what it is so I don't *have* to reboot.04:57
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spiderwormanybody know of a OSS program for windows i could use to create a cd from an ubuntu iso image?04:58
mkahandhey all, really quick, what kind of partition should I give hoary? ext3? reiser?04:58
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kerframilmkahand: what kind of filesystem? my vote goes for ext304:58
Marble2ext304:58
dashmkahand: LVM!!04:58
dash;)04:58
mkahandoh .. now i have two answers04:59
mkahanddoes it make a difference?04:59
mkahand*significant*04:59
dashext3 on lvm is awesome04:59
Brunellus_OK.  anybody know how to set up a network printer?04:59
regeyaext304:59
WebMavenmkahand: are you intending to experiment with filesystems, or do you just want to do the install?04:59
dashespecially since the installer makes it so easy05:00
mkahanddash, does that mean I select 'physical volume for LVM'?05:00
dashmkahand: yeah05:00
regeyaif you wnat something solid, ext305:00
mkahandwebmaven, i just want to install. I'm trying to dual booty05:00
mkahandboot05:00
mkahand:)05:00
dasharrr05:00
WebMavenext3, then.05:00
mkahandok, thanks05:00
kerframilmkahand: if you don't know what LVM is then I suggest you avoid it (in brief: you define logical volumes instead of partitions - and this has nothing to do with filesystems per se)05:00
Brunellus_any experience with little print servers out there?05:00
drspindual booty == string(too much work)05:00
dashBrunellus_: hmm. so you have a printer on your network and you want to connect to it with ubuntu>05:01
drspinone nice booty usually suffices :)05:01
dash?05:01
mkahandok, so this ext3 is my second partition... Bootable flag, on/off?05:01
dashfor dual booty you need the experimental pirate extensions for grub05:01
WebMavendrspin: I disagree. You need two, one is yours.05:01
dashmkahand: doesn't matter05:01
mkahandi will still need to go back and install windows05:01
mkahandok05:01
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drspinWebMaven: yeah but mine isn't so nice... her's is quite the opposite :)05:02
Brunellus_dash:  yes.  I have a printer on the network, and I want it to work with warty05:02
WebMavendrspin: better shape up your booty then, if you want to maintain access to hers... ;-)05:02
Brunellus_the printer is connected to the network with a little parallel-port printserver thing05:02
dashBrunellus_: hmm, i haven't used warty so i'm not sure about that05:03
Brunellus_my windows box sees & prints from it fine as an SMB printer05:03
dashBrunellus_: but on hoary it's under System->Administration->Printing05:03
drspinWebMaven: the rest of me is doing pretty good -- she likes it -- and I like showing it off at the lake :)05:03
Brunellus_looking in smb://workgroup I can see the print server05:03
WebMavenOk, so no-one knows what the default password is for a Hoary LiveCD. This is perplexing.05:03
mkahandby the way, maybe this isnt the place, but those of you who work on ubuntu, you all rock. thank you so much for such a great product05:04
Marble2ditto05:04
jimarkoindeed05:04
WebMavenme three.05:05
Brunellus_when I try to print I get this error:05:05
Brunellus_Printing: Call timed out: server did not respond after 10000 milliseconds closing remote file Test Page05:05
WebMavenAll right, I guess I'm rebooting the laptop then.05:05
Brunellus_why is the server not responding?  I assume that it's being found.05:05
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WebMavenbye all.05:06
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jimarkoCya guys, i'm outta here too :D05:06
jimarkobye05:06
ne1does anyone know of an ubuntu repository containing a kernel with inotify support (for beagle)?05:06
skreetWhere are power management options in Ubuntu (Hoary)05:06
drspinanyone pretty good at configuring sound?05:06
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fr500skreet, maybe the battery indicator icon05:06
skreetNo like, automatic suspend and05:07
skreetsuch05:07
dashne1: hmm. i believe it's in hoary's 2.6.10-4 packages05:07
ryan450anybody know how to solve this ./configure error? checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!05:07
dashskreet: yep, it does that stuff.05:07
skreet...05:07
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crimsunne1: inotify is currently disabled for stability reasons.05:08
skreet.... "Where are power managment OPTIONS"05:08
skreet... so I can turn that *crap* off.05:08
ne1dash: I'm running that already05:08
fr500there are some scripts on the acpi folders05:08
skreetSo theres no GUI configuation dialog of power managment?05:08
fr500i dont think so05:09
skreetGah05:09
ne1crimsun: is there a way to enable it, or is it a kernel recompile?05:09
Marble2drspin: what'cha need?05:09
dashryan450: you need to install xlibs-dev, i bet.05:09
dashskreet: not sure i understand; what's to configure?05:09
fr500skreet, pretty sure they are working on that05:10
fr500dash, he wants to disable05:10
fr500why not turning off acpi then?05:10
dashoh, missed that05:10
skreetdash: Disable Automatic monitor shutoff, disable automatic suspend.05:10
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skreetfr500, I could turn of ACPI i suppose, wheres the Dialog to do that? :D05:10
skreetIt's something they need to impliment nonetheless, exuase my attitude I just spent an hour installing World of Warcraft to get it to crash on me left and right, corrupt file I need to reinstall it all over again and now I'm pissssssed05:11
skreetBye.05:11
fr500skreet, no dialog either you need to chmod 666 acpi service i think05:11
dashheh05:11
fr500lol05:11
drspinMarble2: it's not me it's eb0x -- we've loaded the drivers for his SB Live (same card I have) -- lspci shows the card as a SB Live -- /dev/dsp doesn't EVER show up05:11
crimsunne1: enabling it often results in machine crashes (i.e. freezes)05:11
dashediting /etc/default/acpi-support seems right05:11
fr500is there a services configuration app like in rh?05:11
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Marble2wow, no idea. sorry :(05:12
drspinMarble2: no worries, thanks for the attempt ;)05:13
membreyawell, I found out there's no way to convert fat32/ntfs to ext2/ext3...so backing up 80 gb..joy :D05:14
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geneo91i could say this thing is really confused i shows 3 cdroms and i have only 2 a dvd-r and a scsi cdr05:14
drspinmembreya: can I borrow your backup medium when you're done -- I have 50 G of music stored on my NTFS and it's annoying05:14
tizendrspin: same, but 6005:14
tizenlol05:15
tizen50 i could do almost05:15
mdblitz1I just keep piles of dvds and cds laying around05:15
tizeni have a 40 gigger lying here05:15
membreyagoing to get a 200gb SATA soon ...but I have to pry myself away from $160AUD05:15
membreyaonly got a 120gb right now :(05:15
mdblitz1couldn't tell you what was on any of them though05:15
drspinmembreya: sell me you're 120 ;)05:15
membreya:P05:16
drspintizen: 40 gigs??? I'll send you some $$$ for it...05:16
ne1crimsun: ok thanks,05:16
tizendrspin: nah, it's coming in the system soon05:16
membreyagod..i threw away 2x40gb PATAs05:16
tizendrspin: I dropped a 15k rpm SCSI drive yesterday05:16
drspinboo --05:16
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tizenstill trying to fix it05:16
tizeni put it in in the 40gb spot05:16
drspintizen: no way -- this other computer has ALL-scsi interfaces...05:17
membreyammm 15k :) hot little drive05:17
drspinand the 15 G in it is full -- with as much as I could get on it...05:17
tizeni dropped it, and it spins but i can't read it05:17
drspintizen: willing to donate and see if I can fix it?05:17
drspinor get it fixed?05:17
drspinLOL05:17
tizendrspin: I'm gonna call the supplier05:18
tizensee if they'll send it to seagate05:18
drspintizen: good call --05:18
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drspintizen: I just need to sack up and get a usb 2.0 card and an external HD05:18
ryan450not sure which packages I need, heres the error..... checking for KDE... configure: error:05:19
ryan450in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail.05:19
ryan450So, check this please and use another prefix!05:19
ryan450any ideas gang?05:19
membreyahave you got kde install ryan450 ?:P05:19
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nomasteryodajeff@mgalug.org05:20
eb0xCan anyone help me with a sound issue? I've got a Creative SoundBlaster Live! Value sound card. drspin and i have been trying to get this working for the better part of the afternoon, does anybody have any ideas?05:20
geneo91ebone:  i have the 5.1 card and it seems ok had a few issues with kde but ok now05:22
tizeneb0x: nothing works at all?05:22
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tizeneb0x: do you have devices in /dev ?05:22
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eb0xno tizen nothing works05:24
eb0xI have a whole bunch of stuff in /dev05:24
eb0xand i pasted the list to drspin earlier, and he said there were no audio things in there05:24
tizeni mean like /dev/audio*05:25
tizendo you have any of those05:25
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geneo91ebone:  what kernel05:25
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eb0xNope05:25
eb0xWhat is supposed to show up in dmesg |tail?05:26
eb0xdrspin kept asking me to do that05:26
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eb0xsomeone also said something about a module called emu10k1x or something like that05:28
eb0xHow do i install that module?05:28
geneo91hmm could be that you have irq conflict05:29
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geneo91ebone:  can you try a different slot for sound card05:29
eb0xim eb0xx05:30
eb0xand im not sure05:30
crimsuneb0x: paste the output of lspci -n -v onto http://pastebin.ca, please05:34
eb0xcrimsun: http://pastebin.ca/734205:36
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crimsuneb0x: audigy?05:42
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crimsuneb0x: ?05:46
geneo91hmm05:47
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geneo91crimsun:  maybe you could help me with tv card05:47
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crimsunnot much experience with tv cards, sorry.05:48
geneo91yeah this has fm radio also05:48
seadawgi've got an interesting problem.  i wonder if some brave person wouldn't mind trying to help me...not sure if its with gnome 2.10 or ubuntu05:49
eb0xcrimsun: No05:49
eb0xcrimsun: SoundBlaster Live05:49
tizengeneo91: What's wrong?05:49
crimsuneb0x: the system id looks like an OEM Dell sblive05:49
tizengeneo91: I've only set one up once... And the sound didn't sync correctly05:49
geneo91well tizen when i try xawtv it just crashes system05:50
crimsuneb0x: is it in a Dell?05:50
eb0xcrimsun: yes05:50
seadawgdoes anybody us LDAP for authentication and have trouble with the sudo items in the Administration menu?05:50
geneo91and tv time says no input05:50
tizengeneo91: Ah, we used 'tvtime' never used xawtv05:50
crimsuneb0x: lsmod|grep ^snd_emu10k1x05:51
geneo91tizen:  i have us broadcast here but in suse it works fine05:51
ebonehey geneo91 , you mean eb0x , not ebone . :)05:51
eb0xroot@ubuntu:/home/eb0x # lsmod|grep ^snd_emu10k1x05:51
eb0xroot@ubuntu:/home/eb0x #05:51
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tizengeneo91: tvtime works with any broadcast05:52
tizengive it a try05:52
Marble2how do I extract (and use) a .bin?05:52
tizenMarble2: usually, sh <bin filename> will do everything05:52
crimsuneb0x: lsmod|grep ^emu10k105:52
eb0xroot@ubuntu:/home/eb0x # lsmod|grep ^emu10k105:53
eb0xemu10k1_gp              3840  005:53
eb0xroot@ubuntu:/home/eb0x #05:53
Marble2thanks05:53
crimsuneb0x: modprobe snd-emu10k1x05:53
eb0xroot@ubuntu:/home/eb0x # modprobe snd-emu10k1x05:53
eb0xFATAL: Module snd_emu10k1x not found.05:53
eb0xFATAL: Error running install command for snd_emu10k1x05:53
eb0xroot@ubuntu:/home/eb0x #05:53
crimsuneb0x: are you running warty or hoary?05:54
eb0xhoary05:54
eb0xBut it did the same on warty05:54
_Rotundanyone here that could tell me where to get NVIDIA 7167 drivers for Hoary?05:54
geneo91hmm thats crazy i could change video source now it seems ok05:54
crimsun_Rotund: there won't be05:55
heatxsinkNvidia is broken isn't it?05:55
geneo91could'nt05:55
crimsunheatxsink: not with -2705:55
heatxsinknvidia is broken in hoary with kernel 2.6.10-26 (possibly more)05:55
heatxsinkoh nice nice05:55
eb0x_Rotund: Refer to the topic.05:55
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heatxsinkhow do I get that?05:55
_RotundI have a 6200Tc that won't work w/o the latest05:55
eb0xUbuntu Help | Support Information: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/ | Hoary preview is released! http://releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/ | nvidia is broken in hoary with kernel 2.6.10-26 (possibly more)05:55
nomasteryodahey, i just learned from my friend his 8-9 yearold son loves Ubuntu05:55
nomasteryodahas it on his laptop05:55
_Rotundoh right -=)05:55
crimsun_Rotund: then use the installer05:55
eb0x;p05:55
_Rotundyeah.  it KINDA works, but the emul stuff doesn't (I'm on 64-bit too)05:56
crimsuneb0x: please paste lsmod output onto pastebin.ca05:56
EfaistOsis hoary quite stable ?05:56
crimsunin my experience, yes, EfaistOs.05:56
eb0xcrimsun: http://pastebin.ca/734305:57
SidDithersLdoes anybody here know why I can't receive information, but I can send it? iwconfig reports Rx is 100%, but Tx has retried several times and has several invalid misc05:57
geneo91tizen:  seems ok now05:57
EfaistOscrimsun, because i ned a new version of inkscape which is still to 0.38 in warty and the 0.41 is already available05:58
SidDithersLjust curious if anyone in this channel knows05:58
crimsunEfaistOs: 0.40 is what Hoary will ship with, more than likely.05:59
EfaistOsoki05:59
SidDithersLanyone at all?05:59
crimsunSidDithersL: need more debugging information.05:59
EfaistOsi tried to compile it manually but the 0.41 needs libgc which is installed but doesnt work ...05:59
SidDithersLcrimsun, how can I get that for you?06:00
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calamariyay for warty! :)06:01
crimsunEfaistOs: sudo apt-get install libgc-dev06:02
crimsunSidDithersL: what does tcpdump tell you?06:02
EfaistOscrimsun, already installed but the compilation still doesnt work06:02
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crimsunEfaistOs: did you rerun configure?06:02
eb0xcrimsun: did that lsmod thing give you any insight about my stupid computer ;x06:03
EfaistOsit was installed the first time i run it06:03
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crimsuneb0x: reboot with acpi_irq_isa=706:03
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SidDithersLcrimsun id have to disconnect to tell you06:04
SidDithersLand thats kind of an oxymoron :P06:04
crimsunthat's fine, I'll be here a while.06:05
EfaistOscrimsun, it needs 6.4 and i have 6.206:05
ScislaCI'm migrating from Mandrake to Ubuntu... there are some files I'm trying to move over from my mdk partition and they're not looking like myself or root have permission... any ideas?06:05
eb0xcrimsun: How do I do that?06:05
SidDithersLcrimsun all it does it report what sites I visit and things like that, which is useless because it cant connect to them anyway06:05
crimsunScislaC: root always has permission unless you're using ACLs06:05
crimsunSidDithersL: no, I want to see what is being sent (and not returned)06:06
ScislaCcrimsun: when I tried via bash it just says "omitting" that dir06:06
SidDithersLok hold06:06
crimsuneb0x: when the grub boot menu comes up after you reboot, hit 'e', scroll to the far right side (end of line) and type acpi_irq_isa=7, then hit enter and press 'b'06:07
eb0xwill it say grub on the thing soemwhere?06:08
eb0xsorry, i'm very new to *nix06:08
crimsuneb0x: yes, it's a menu that pops up that allows you to select a kernel06:08
eb0xokay i'll look for that06:09
eb0xthanks06:09
eb0xand i'll be right back i hope06:09
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knucksim having problems with x11 on hoary + nvidia06:11
knucksi cant load the normal gnome gui06:11
honeknucks: it's broke I think06:11
crimsunknucks: update && upgrade06:11
knucksi get a terminal screen06:11
crimsunknucks: then reboot06:11
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SSidDithersLInow it seems to be working06:11
knuckscrimsun: eh?06:11
SSidDithersLIlet me see06:11
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bestadvocateany amd64 users with hoary know the status of Mono packages?06:13
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knucksugh seriously06:14
knuckscan somsone help me?06:14
knucksi finally got x11 to work06:14
knucksbut i get errorsafter i log in to ubuntu06:14
knucksbut i dont know what they say06:14
knucksthey are popups and are blank06:14
knucksand i dont get that welcome loading screen thing where all the stuff loads in the bottom part of the splash06:14
crimsunknucks: what did you do to make the X Window System work?06:15
ace2001acknucks: i have nvidia and hoary06:15
knucksfor some reason when i did apt-get remove xserver, it didnt06:15
ace2001acknucks: on amd6406:15
knucksso i had to do it manually06:15
knucksand then i installed it w/ apt get install06:15
knucksso i can actually get it back and it seems to be on nvidia drivers06:15
knucksbut now its all weird06:15
knucksi cant move windows06:16
bestadvocateknucks: weird.   sometimes I get problems like that,  so I deleated my enter .gnome dirrectory and a couple other dirrectories that are automatically generated and the problem whent away, but i had to move all the menus back the way I like um06:16
knucksi didnt have this problem before06:16
bestadvocatebut its proboly not he same problem06:16
knucksin fact, i was happy wit hthe default nv drivers06:16
ace2001acknucks: i had it working yesterday but i upgraded and now it doesn't work anymore06:16
knucksbut thne i installed the nvidia ones and it screwed up06:16
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crimsunace2001ac: update && upgrade, then reboot06:16
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ace2001accrimsun: ok, i'll try06:17
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geneo91crimsun:  i have hoary and nvidia drivers and have no issues06:18
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crimsungeneo91: have you rebooted in the last 2 days?06:18
ace2001accrimsun: i already did06:18
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geneo91oh yes06:18
ace2001accrimsun: only new package is wget06:18
crimsunace2001ac: what doesn't work anymore?06:19
ace2001accrimsun: nvidia module is loaded but glxinfo shows that it isn't working06:19
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knucksok i loaded into Gnome w/ failsafe06:20
knucksseems to work fine this way06:20
knucksbut i get this error:06:20
knucksError Activating XKB configuration06:20
crimsunace2001ac: as in Direct Rendering: no ?06:21
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ace2001accrimsun: i found the problem06:21
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Coilyif i want to use shockwave in linux im pretty much screwed is that correct?06:22
geneo91OpenGL version string: 1.5.2 NVIDIA 66.2906:22
Coilyanyone?06:22
ace2001accrimsun: when i ran 'nvidia-glx-config enable' it apparently didn't change the xorg.conf file properly, or maybe I didn't run it at the right time06:23
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Smevenso06:23
ace2001accrimsun: i'll restart X and let you know if it works06:23
crimsunCoily: shockwave what?06:23
Smevenhow do i turn on autodiscovery with howl on ubuntui06:23
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crimsunCoily: flash? director?06:23
Coilyflash06:24
knucksguys im running hoary w/ nvidia drivers06:24
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knucksbut im currently in Gnome Failsafe06:24
knucksthe rest doesnt seem to work06:24
knuckssomethings weird with the drivers06:24
crimsunCoily: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats06:24
Agrajagknucks: read the topic06:24
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knucksahhh!06:24
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knucksany idea when there will be a fix?06:25
knucksi mean i can stay on failsafe for a while06:25
AgrajagI dunno06:25
knucksdoesnt bother me right now06:25
knucksbut still :/06:25
crimsunknucks: that's why I asked you to update && upgrade, then reboot06:25
Coilycrimsun, erm i guess i didnt mean flash06:25
knuckscrimsun: what do u mean?06:25
knucksi ran apt-get update06:25
knucksand rebooted..06:25
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crimsunknucks: you didn't run apt-get upgrade after apt-get update06:25
Coilyi mean to be able to play dcr files in firefox06:26
knuckswhat would the upgrade do?06:26
Agrajagthat's director06:26
Coilyok sorry06:26
Agrajagand there is no plugin for that06:26
geneo91update all your apps06:26
crimsunknucks: install a fixed kernel (-27), which was available yesterday morning several hours after the topic was changed.06:26
Coilyis there progress being made to create a plugin?06:26
elmayahow do i install cursor themes?06:26
AgrajagI doubt it06:26
Coilyoh well06:27
Teal`cgetting strange problems... loading azereus causes my network connection to freeze, go into a coma like state... ipconfig shows no problem but running route just hangs06:27
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Teal`cwith hoary06:27
crimsunTeal`c: are you using jre/jdk 1.5.0_01?06:28
thullyBefore I started using Ubuntu, I was a KDE person.  However, I like the newer releases of GNOME, and I've found I use more GTK apps than QT apps. So, Ubuntu has really made me like GNOME.06:28
Teal`cya06:28
crimsunTeal`c: anything via dmesg pertaining to an oops?06:28
thullyPlus,it's like the older mac interface,which I liked.06:28
Teal`c1.5.0 something at least06:28
crimsunthully: great :-)06:28
thullywhich is because one of the original mac engineers has worked on GNOME06:29
thullyI just wish there were better customization options and a better CD burner app06:29
crimsunthully: tried graveman?06:30
geneo91i like gcombust06:30
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crimsunhonesty, I'm a remnant of the cdrecord days.06:30
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AlphaandOmegahello06:31
thullyhmm - maybe I should try - although I won't be burning much audio since I ordered an ipod mini06:31
kerframilthully: also, Nero has been ported to Linux06:31
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AlphaandOmegaipods kick ass06:31
Pandahow do i launch gnome from riit?06:31
Pandaroot^06:31
AlphaandOmegaI have an ipod photo06:31
thullyyes - saw that - nice to see more linux support06:31
AlphaandOmegait needs linux software to support it06:32
kerframilyes, indeed06:32
ubuntuI just tried booting the AMD64 LiveCD on an AthlonXP system, and it told me to get a 32bit distro.06:32
AlphaandOmegaI can only use the photo feature with my iBook06:32
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Pandawhat command do i use to launch gnome from "roly@roly $"06:32
thullyipods don't have OGG, but all my music is in MP3 or AAC format (some music store tracks - btw there are ways touse that on linux too)06:32
Teal`ci tried the kde burner program but found it interface rather clunky, cdrecord has always been the easiest to use imho06:33
isaacPanda: gnome-session06:33
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crimsundown with iTunes' m4p - use JHymn!06:33
ace2001accrimsun: it works now06:33
Pandak06:33
crimsunace2001ac: great06:33
ace2001accrimsun: :)06:33
ubuntuI thought the AMD Athlon XP was an AMD64 cpu.06:33
isaacpanda: you need to have x running for that to work though06:33
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thullyor you can use PyMusique and bypass wine altogether06:33
Teal`cno,.. xps are k7 cpus06:33
thullya bit limited, but it works06:33
eb0xcrimsun: i typed e and nothing happened06:33
crimsuneb0x: was the kernel selected?06:34
kerframilubuntu: your AMD64 CD is little better than a coaster for your intents and purposes - grab a plain old x86 one instead06:34
thullyseems much faster than the official itunes client - supports song previews as well06:34
ace2001accrimsun: are you a developer or just user?06:34
crimsunace2001ac: one of the universe maintainers06:34
eb0xi dunno06:34
eb0xit didnt do anythiong06:34
ubuntuTeal`c, The AMD site says otherwise: http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_3734,00.html06:34
crimsuneb0x: please paste the output of cat /proc/interrupts onto pastebin.ca06:35
ubuntukerframil, what do you mean, a coaster?06:35
Teal`cThats an advertisement06:35
SSidDithersLIguys, just a quick question. What do I need in order to make .config files?06:35
thullyI just wish rhythmbox,gtkpod, and this PyMusique (which is inpart developed by the DeCss guy) could be integrated into one big jukebox program - maybe call it gtunes06:35
kerframilubuntu: meaning you might as well use it put your coffee mug on ;) (and btw, the site doesn't say otherwise)06:35
Teal`cthe frame on that webpage with the amd64 stuff really has nothing to do with xp cpus06:36
kerframilubuntu: you need a 386 CD, plain and simple06:36
eb0xcrimsun: http://pastebin.ca/735006:36
ace2001accrimsun: cool, i have dchroot as the only thing from universe, do you know why it isn't in main? I'm not very familiar with the decision process for Ubuntu, but it seems like chroot would be something cool to have in main :)06:36
crimsuneb0x: ok, we'll try this way: sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst06:37
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eb0xokay06:37
eb0xim there06:37
crimsunace2001ac: "main" is the subset of actively-supported [by Ubuntu]  packages06:37
SSidDithersLIanybody know at all?06:38
Pandahas anyone ever had the problem when installing ubuntu of an unusually long partitioning under ext3 fs?06:38
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crimsunace2001ac: there are a variety of reasons it might be in universe; I venture one of the reasons is that no one has volunteered to maintain it06:38
Teal`ctheres no reason to buy an intel chip anymore, except for brand loyalty.  Amd64s kick ass06:38
ubuntuOK, thanks for the info. I assumed that the Athlon XP was an AMD64 architecture, because it said it was a 64bit chip.06:38
siriusany spanish speaker?06:38
Teal`cubuntu, no, thats just an ad... below it is another ad for the sempron...06:39
kerframilubuntu: you must have misinterpreted the information concerned06:39
ace2001accrimsun: oh, i was just wondering if there was a active reason to not have it in main06:39
crimsunsirius: ubuntu-es?06:39
siriusyes06:39
crimsunsirius: it may be quiet, though06:39
siriusbut from Argentina06:39
Pandahas anyone ever had the problem when installing ubuntu of an unusually long partitioning under ext3 fs?06:39
ace2001accrimsun: it would be good to have cause it's really useful if not necessary for amd64 pc's06:39
siriushow to upgrade to hoary?06:40
crimsunace2001ac: well, this late in the release schedule, it won't migrate from universe->main, perhaps for Bendy - if you'd like to maintain it.06:40
ubuntukerframil, how could I misinterpret this: " Leading-edge performance and unparalleled technology with simultaneous 32-bit and 64-bit computing."06:40
siriuswithout lossing the info06:40
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kerframilubuntu: by not observing that (1) it's an advert boxout (2) it shows a large logo saying "AMD Athlon 64"? (3) It shows a link saying "AMD Athlon 64 Desktop Processors" which leads you to an area of the site clearly not related?06:41
kerframilubuntu: seeing as you asked ;)06:41
crimsunsirius: sudo sed 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade06:41
ubuntuAha.06:41
ubuntuGotcha.06:41
Teal`cdude, thats an advertisement.. see its in own frame06:41
siriusthanks06:42
eb0xcrimsun: what do i do in sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst06:42
ace2001accrimsun: hmmm... I don't really have any experience maintainng packages :), if the decision is as simple as someone volunteering to maintain it, then I can understand why it's in universe06:42
ubuntuOk, ok. I get it now.06:42
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kerframilubuntu: I believe that processor is their "entry-level" offering (the Opteron is more capable)06:42
crimsuneb0x: press ctrl+w, then type: # kopt, then press enter06:42
eb0xcrimsun: # kopt=root=/dev/hda1 ro06:43
crimsuneb0x: scroll to the far right (end of the line), and add acpi_irq_isa=706:43
thullyI wonder - what's the easiest way to type accented characters on a standard U.S. English keyboard in Hoary?06:43
crimsuneb0x: (correct, so the line looks like: # kopt=root=/dev/hda1 ro acpi_irq_isa=7)06:43
Teal`csempron is probably the entry level model now but it lacks 64bit06:43
Teal`cuntil someone figures out how to mod it06:44
siriusonce upgraded i mantain the config of my system , right?06:44
thullyI'm taking Spanish,and needed to enter them and didn't know how, short of switching keyboard layouts06:44
eb0xok06:44
thullytaking spanishclass06:44
ubuntuok, thanks again.06:44
eb0xthen cntrl x y enter06:44
crimsuneb0x: when you've done that, press ctrl+x, save it, and exit06:44
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Pandai'm hungry06:44
eb0xcrimsun: ok done06:44
crimsuneb0x: then, sudo update-grub06:44
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crimsuneb0x: then, reboot06:45
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siriuswich ver. of the kernel is in hoary?06:45
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crimsunsirius: patched 2.6.1006:45
siriusok06:45
ellsanyone familiar with debian06:46
bob2there's 2.6.11, but it's not supported06:46
siriusbut i downloaded the 2.6.11.206:46
AlphaandOmegaI am considering using Ubuntu06:46
SSidDithersLIcan someone here help me? just a quick question, how can I use .config?06:46
siriusbut i cant make it work06:46
AlphaandOmegabut i got burned with Mepis06:46
SSidDithersLIwhat do I need to be able to use that command06:46
zenroxAlphaandOmega,  and you need to use it06:46
crimsunells: a number here are06:46
AlphaandOmegait uses Bleeding edge shit that was unstable as hell06:46
kerframilSSidDithersLI: what do you mean exactly?06:46
bob2SSidDithersLI: you mean "How do I configure a kernel?"?06:46
ellscrimsum: the kernel in mine is old06:46
AlphaandOmegais there a stable built of Ubuntu?06:46
bob2AlphaandOmega: ubutnu is a much more serious distro than mepis06:46
zenroxAlphaandOmega, yes warty06:46
bob2AlphaandOmega: of course06:46
crimsunells: "mine" being your Debian install?06:47
ellscrimsum: it wont auto update06:47
zenroxand soon to be hoary06:47
ellsyes06:47
SSidDithersLII have to add a .config file to a release before I compile it06:47
crimsunells: and which flavour of Debian?06:47
SSidDithersLIand i dont know how06:47
bob2ells: er, Debian never updates kernels by default06:47
crimsunells: (this really should be asked in #debian)06:47
bob2ells: since that could be terrible06:47
kerframilSSidDithersLI: make menuconfig, then choose your options06:47
ellscrimsum: it is the one that is network built06:47
bob2ells: apt-cache search kernel-image06:47
thullyyes - Mepis does look a bit thrown together,and it is developed by 1 person who dislikes the GPLand hasn't done anything about a few bugs that existed in November06:47
bob2ells: pick one and install it06:47
ellsbob2: I did that downloaded the kernel06:47
ellsbut it did not seem to install it like ubuntu06:48
kerframilSSidDithersLI: if that sounds like hard work then you might prefer to obtain the .config used by the mainstream kernel and drop it in (running make oldconfig)06:48
siriusonce upgraded it keeps my configs?06:48
kerframilSSidDithersLI: the mainstream Ubuntu kernel package, I mean06:48
thullyyes - the magic of apt-get06:48
SSidDithersLImake menuconfig failed06:48
SSidDithersLIO-o06:48
bob2ells: er, yes it does06:48
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bob2SSidDithersLI: why are you trrying to compile a kernel?06:48
ellsbob2, how will i install it then06:48
SSidDithersLIim trying to add a .config file to WPA_supplicant06:48
SSidDithersLI"In wpa_supplicant directory, add .config file so it contains driver support for ndiswrapper and a control interfac"06:48
SSidDithersLIe06:48
bob2ells: um? just like you would on ubuntu.  apt-get install kernel-image-blah.06:48
SSidDithersLIbut i can't/dont know how to add it06:49
ellsokay, i did that but it did not install it, even though it seemed to06:49
bob2SSidDithersLI: I'm pretty sure you don't need to recompile your kernel for that.06:49
ellsIt still reads 2.406:49
AlphaandOmegaI know it sounded like a stupid question06:49
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bob2ells: did you reboot?06:49
thullyI wonder why Mepis was so hyped by some... it even was #1 ondistrowatch at one point06:49
AlphaandOmegabut I learned the hardware you can't take that for granted06:49
SSidDithersLII never said I needed to recompile my kernel06:49
ellsyeap06:49
SSidDithersLII said I needed to add a .config file to that directory06:49
bob2thully: there are lots of annoying distro fanboys/girls out there06:50
siriusanyone knows wich version of Xfree86 is in Hoary?06:50
thullyIf you want KDE, both Kubuntu and Kanotix are far better than Mepis06:50
SSidDithersLIin any case I dont know what the commands are to make a .config file06:50
bob2SSidDithersLI: er, wpasupplicat is *in* Ubuntu, too.  why are you compiling it at all?06:50
bob2sirius: it uses X.org06:50
siriusough06:50
SSidDithersLIbecause I want the latest version06:50
siriusis it better?06:50
ellsbob2, I will check it again though06:50
orospakrhas anyone had gtk-gnutella segfault the moment they click the "Download" button in the search results? I can confirm this on two separate hoary boxes.06:50
thullyI used to prefer KDE - but tried Kubuntu w/KDE 3.4 and Ubuntu w/GNOME 2.10 and GNOME seemed better06:51
siriusi mean, graphic rendering, 3D and so06:51
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bob2SSidDithersLI: what's the difference?06:51
SiRrUsells to install your kernel type this aptitude install linux-image-kernel name06:51
bob2sirius: not really. better hardware support, lots of bug fixes.06:51
SSidDithersLIbetter support and more stability?06:51
crimsunorospakr: could you obtain a backtrace via gdb ?06:51
siriusoh06:51
siriusok06:51
kerframilsirius: it uses xorg-6.8.2 and the differences are marginal (for now)06:51
SSidDithersLIin any case I need to set it up06:51
ellsSiRrUs: okay06:52
SSidDithersLIso how can I make that .config file for that folder?06:52
Teal`canybody know where i can find plugins for totem so i can play avis/mpeg/etc ?06:52
orospakrcrimsun, yes, it occurs in glib somewhere. :P06:52
siriusthe problem is my graphic card06:52
bob2SSidDithersLI: you need to talk to whoever wrote the software, I guess06:52
siriusSis 73006:52
Teal`ctotem is useless/crippled without them... kind of sad06:52
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crimsunorospakr: where in glib?06:52
siriusand the DRI06:52
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siriusi cannot make it work the 3D06:52
sirius90 FPS, bleh!06:53
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bob2Teal`c: yes, thae state of the governments who force totem to be crippled is quite sad06:53
bob2Teal`c: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats06:53
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orospakrcrimsun, #0  0xb7b85a4e in g_strdup () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.006:53
orospakr#1  0xb7bf83f9 in g_value_array_sort_with_data ()06:53
orospakr   from /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.006:53
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eb0xcrimsun: ok added that and restarted06:53
crimsunorospakr: ok, please file a bug and let me know the bug #.06:53
orospakrcrimsun, ok. :)06:53
crimsunorospakr: I'll look at it in 30 minutes.06:53
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thullyI wish someone could start a Ubuntu-specific marillat type repo - as marillattends to getout of sync w/Ubuntu06:54
thullysorry, my darned laptop spacebar is acting up06:54
deFryskthully, then you get the same repo with another name06:54
crimsunthully: you may be able to have multiverse syncs06:54
crimsunthully: though keep in mind it is fairly late in the release schedule06:55
Teal`cwhy force new ubuntu users into the american legal paradigm.  If they download from european/canadian/aussie mirror, include those restricted files06:55
thullyno - marillat atthe moment is out of sync w/warty06:55
crimsunthully: but warty will not be synced again.06:55
crimsunthully: unless you are referring to my repo...?06:56
thullyyes - but I mean -if someone installs warty now, they willhave trouble with marillat06:56
Teal`cthe u.s. is too big for its own good.. should split it up06:56
crimsunthully: right, in which case we point them to http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats06:57
eb0xcrimsun: what do i do now?06:57
crimsuneb0x: lsmod|grep ^snd_emu10k1x06:57
geneo91Teal`c:  yes the red states from the blue06:57
thullymarillat is for debian - it syncs to sarge and sid - whatI meant is that I was wishing someone would set up one thatstays insync w/the stable and unstable Ubuntu versions as opposed to debian versions06:57
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crimsunthully: the development branch of Ubuntu does stay synced. I maintain the stable counterpart.06:58
ellscrimsun: the kernel will be the image right06:58
eb0xroot@ubuntu:/home/eb0x # lsmod|grep ^snd_emu10k1x06:58
eb0xroot@ubuntu:/home/eb0x #06:58
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crimsunells: err, come again? (sorry, lacking context)06:58
mrproperIn horay, where can I get the Sun Java packages?06:58
deFryskwhen will the new nvidia drivers be in ?06:59
crimsunmrproper: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats06:59
thullyI actuallyread somewhere that there are some interoperability exceptions in the DMCA... (but they still disallow redistribution)06:59
SSidDithersLIdoes anyone here know how to create a .config file? "In wpa_supplicant directory, add .config file so it contains driver support for ndiswrapper and a control interface"06:59
crimsundeFrysk: I believe it's too late for Hoary.06:59
ellsthe kernel will be the file that has the image in it, right06:59
SSidDithersLII need to know how to do that :/06:59
deFryskcrimsun, I hope not06:59
deFryskthe one now is not good for many people06:59
ellswell, it is now installed, and it is booting it06:59
eb0xcrimsun: root@ubuntu:/home/eb0x # lsmod|grep ^snd_emu10k1x06:59
eb0xroot@ubuntu:/home/eb0x #06:59
crimsunells: for Debian, kernel-image-foo; for Ubuntu, linux-image-foo. Yes, it will have /boot/{initrd,vmlinuz}-foo06:59
bob2SSidDithersLI: dude07:00
bob2SSidDithersLI: if you actually think this is a useful use of your time, look at the source package for it in Ubuntu07:00
SSidDithersLIwhy do you only return when Im asking everyone else except you?07:00
bob2SSidDithersLI: or actually ask the author07:00
bob2blah blah blah07:00
SSidDithersLIif I didn't read the documentation, I wouldnt be here07:00
thullybut there is also those darned software patents - the most insane being "1 click shopping" - are those patent workers being paid minimum wage or something?07:00
crimsundeFrysk: some people in #nvidia have reported problems with 1.0-7167, too.07:00
crimsundeFrysk: ...and it's late in Hoary's schedule.07:00
deFryskcrimsun, someone should make 6.111 packages for hoary07:01
bob2SSidDithersLI: er?  look at how the Ubuntu source package builds.07:01
bob2SSidDithersLI: that has the exact answe you're looking for in it07:01
tritiumhey there ells07:01
thullyI wonder why multiverse has allthe LAME packages - but not the gstreamer plugin07:01
crimsunthully: which gst plugin?07:01
thullylame07:01
SSidDithersLIwhatever.07:01
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kreigerok. now then07:01
crimsunhmm, I didn't even know gst has a supported lame plugin.07:01
thullyyes - it's in restrictedformats07:02
SSidDithersLIbesisdes07:02
bob2SSidDithersLI: have you actually looked, or are you assuming that I'm concocting a lie to confuse you?07:02
SSidDithersLIubuntu doesnt come with wpa_supplicant.07:02
crimsunthully: hmm, but is that one an official gst one or an unofficial addon?07:02
siriushoary comes with OpenOffice 2.0?07:02
deFrysksirius, its available07:03
crimsunsirius: 1.9.74 -> openoffice.org207:03
deFryskin hoary07:03
thullyI'm unsure - I know it's available for fedora, and works decently07:03
kreigerdoes anybody here dualboot?07:03
bob2SSidDithersLI: yes it does07:03
deFryskI have it07:03
siriusthanks07:03
SSidDithersLIwhere is it?07:03
bob2SSidDithersLI: wpasupplicant - Client support for WPA and WPA2 (IEEE 802.11i)07:03
tritiumsirius, apt-cache search openoffice.org207:03
ellstritium: what is up man07:03
tritiumells, not much.  You?07:03
crimsuneb0x: (apologies.) ok, modprobe snd-emu10k1x07:03
SSidDithersLIwhere is it?07:03
siriusapt-cache? new for me07:03
deFrysksirius, it installs it besides the ol d oo07:03
bob2SSidDithersLI: huh?  in ubuntu.07:03
siriusi am noob still07:03
SSidDithersLIwhere?07:03
eb0xcrimsun: it's okay, thanks for all of your help07:03
ellstritium: not alot, I got my desktop I built to take linux07:03
eb0xroot@ubuntu:/home/eb0x # modprobe snd-emu10k1x07:04
eb0xFATAL: Module snd_emu10k1x not found.07:04
eb0xFATAL: Error running install command for snd_emu10k1x07:04
eb0xroot@ubuntu:/home/eb0x #07:04
SSidDithersLIsynaptic?07:04
tritiumsirius, ok, use synpatic if you prefer.  The package names begin with openoffice.org207:04
deFryskso you can remove the old one if you wish later07:04
ellsI eneded up having to putting debian on the desktop07:04
bob2SSidDithersLI: please lose the attitude, it's really annoying07:04
tritiumells, cool07:04
bob2SSidDithersLI: it's in the universe repository07:04
siriusright07:04
siriussynaptic is good07:04
thullyWhat are the legal guidelines for multiverse, anyway?07:04
tritiumells, as opposed to ubuntu?  why/07:04
ellstritium: i got ubuntu on this laptop07:04
SSidDithersLIthats funny07:04
SSidDithersLIit doesnt work.07:04
SSidDithersLIhow coincidental07:04
siriusbut i usually use aptitude07:04
tritiumells, good.  Did you get your ssh server setup?07:04
ellstritium: the chipset wont take ubuntu for some reason07:04
bob2SSidDithersLI: "doesn't work" means what?07:04
SSidDithersLIguess I should download and install it, like I planned.07:04
SSidDithersLIdoesn't work means its not fucking there like you said it was.07:04
SSidDithersLIthats what it means.07:05
ellsnaw, now that both have linux, i do believe it will be easier07:05
tritiumsirius, cool, whatever you prefer ;)07:05
tritiumells, definitely07:05
crimsuneb0x: dpkg -l linux-image-$(uname -r)|grep ^ii|awk '{ print $3 }'07:05
siriusright07:05
tritiumells, so you put debian rather than ubuntu on the desktop?  why?07:05
siriusthat is the good thing of Linux07:05
siriuschoooosing07:05
ellstritium: the Sis chipset wont take linux (ubuntu)07:05
deFrysksirius, yes07:05
orospakrcrimsun, it won't accept 'gtk-gnutella' in the "Package:" field, it seems. Is unknown appropriate?07:05
ellstritium: it took debian though07:05
crimsunorospakr: yes07:05
eb0xroot@ubuntu:/home/eb0x # dpkg -l linux-image-$(uname -r)|grep ^ii|awk '{ print $3 }'07:06
eb0x2.6.10-2607:06
eb0xroot@ubuntu:/home/eb0x #07:06
tritiumells, really?  Hoary?  Warty?07:06
ellstritium: warty07:06
deFryskells, try hoary07:06
ellsso, I went with debian and it worked07:06
tritiumells, that's surprising07:06
bob2SSidDithersLI: please stop being so annoying07:06
deFryskits greatly improved07:06
crimsuneb0x: d'oh! I should have asked you that first!07:06
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bob2SSidDithersLI: I know you're frustrated because you don't understand07:06
SSidDithersLIhey, when in rome07:06
ellstritium: tell me bout it07:06
crimsuneb0x: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade07:06
bob2SSidDithersLI: it's in hoary's universe repository07:06
tritiumells, I would expect Hoary to work07:06
ellstritium: i had to go back to warty on my laptop07:06
bob2SSidDithersLI: if apt is too confusing, try synaptic.  wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto07:07
SSidDithersLIthats funny, I dont recall saying I was using hoary07:07
Tack guys.. stupid question ... what FS did 98 use... im in ubuntu live.. trying to fix a computer... and i want to mkfs to format it ... do i just use fat ? or vfat? or what should i use07:07
tritiumells, you did?  why?07:07
crimsuneb0x: after everything finishes installing, reboot07:07
SSidDithersLIhow expected.07:07
orospakrcrimsun, bug #7556. :)07:07
crimsunorospakr: great, thanks.07:07
siriusbut i still have this doubt, i keep my configs?07:07
ellstritium: after a few downloads, the gui wouldnt work07:07
SSidDithersLIand also the period at the end of the sentence. ignored.07:07
tritiumTac, vfat07:07
bob2SSidDithersLI: so you're using warty, that's fine.07:07
siriusmy folders?07:07
tritiumells, which?  all of gnome?07:07
bob2SSidDithersLI: go get the hoary source package and build it on warty07:07
bob2SSidDithersLI: also, try being less of a dick to people helping you07:07
ellsyeap07:07
bob2that'd be awesome07:07
siriusand Hoary is using Gnome or KDE?07:07
ellstritium: I was not happy07:07
deFrysksirius, both07:07
deFrysk:D07:07
Tacshould i fsck the device first tritium ?07:08
bob2sirius: gnome.07:08
siriusboth?07:08
Tacor just run mkfs with -c07:08
bob2(by default)07:08
ellstritium: something to do with the config files07:08
siriusyou can choose where?07:08
deFryskI run KDE 3.4 On gnome07:08
siriusok07:08
tritiumTac, not sure there07:08
deFrysksirius, you can install KDE after install07:08
siriussame like wary07:08
tritiumells, which gui?07:08
deFryskmake sure to get 3.407:08
ellsgnome07:08
eb0x<crimsun> eb0x: after everything finishes installing, reboot07:08
eb0xgeezeeeeeeeeee07:08
eb0xlol07:08
deFrysk3.3x does not take07:08
eb0xok ;p07:08
ellstritium: i really miss the netapplet07:09
ellstritium: for hoary07:09
siriusthe problem of the DRI, it is solved in Xorg?07:09
tritiumells, but what gui problems did you have?07:09
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ellstritium: aaaahhhhh......none, could not see the screen07:09
ellstotally07:09
ellscrapped out07:10
ellsno viewable screens07:10
tritiumells, before X loaded, or only after?07:10
ellstritium: x would not load07:10
ellshad screens but not viewable07:10
ellsor so it said07:10
SSidDithersLIanybody here use wpa_supplicant? I get an error when trying to make it07:11
tritiumells, ok, so you could see text mode?07:11
ellstritium: I even tried debian on my laptop, it worked but did not see my wireless card07:11
ellstritium: yeap07:11
ellstritium: kind of pissed ya know07:11
tritiumells, I wish I was around to help you.  That sounds like you just needed some help configuring xserver-xorg07:11
SSidDithersLIits rather large though, so if anyone here does use wpa_supplicant and thinks they can help me please PM me so I can send you all the info07:11
ellstritium: I agree07:12
ellsnot a happy time with that one07:12
tritiumells, you know that yesterday there was a kernel bug for a few hours that prevented loading of nvidia and other modules?07:12
tritiumells, it was only temporary, and got fixed by today07:12
ellstritium: that was it07:12
tritiumells, that was temporary :(07:12
ellstritium: again, you are the man, I can reload hoary then07:12
SSidDithersLIwhen trying to make wpa_supplicant I get a "md5.h:6:25: warning: openssl/md5.h: No such file or directory" error07:12
tritiumells, you could have booted into one of your old kernel until it was fixed!07:12
SSidDithersLIand it just snowballs from there. anyone know whats wrong?07:13
ellsokay, I am retarded as we have discussed before07:13
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bob2SSidDithersLI: for a start, install libssl-dev07:13
tritiumells, no, you're not07:13
tritiumdon't say such things07:13
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ellstritium: just kidding07:13
bob2SSidDithersLI: also, if you'd actually listen to me, you'd be done by now.  the source package has the exact and complete list of packages you have to install before you can bulid it.07:13
tritiumells, dang, I wish I was around to forewarn you07:13
ellstritium: it is all good07:14
tritiumells, it's entirely up to you at this point07:14
tritiumells, if you want to upgrade to Hoary or not07:14
ellstritium: I think I will, I like the netapplet07:14
Tacmkfs -cv -t vfat /dev/hda1 ... it just exxits right away telling me bad blocks07:14
crimsuneb0x: still here?07:14
Taci dont get it07:14
tritiumells, if you end up downloading and installing from the preview release CD, you could try it on the desktop too ;)07:15
bob2SSidDithersLI: (hint: apt-cache showsrc wpasupplicant | grep Build-)07:15
ellstritium: well it always worked until those updates, ya know the auto ones07:15
crimsuneb0x: there are a few more steps you need to do before you reboot07:15
ellstritium: Like I said, I even tried debian, but it would not recognize my wireless card07:16
tritiumells, yes.  I had the same problem.  I just booted into an older kernel until it was fixed.  I would have encouraged you to do the same :(07:16
ellstritium: let me ask you, is an ath0 wireless chipset supported in 2.407:16
ellsthe kernel that is07:17
zenroxells,  no07:17
zenroxits barly usable in even 2.607:18
ellszenrox, that is why debian did not see my wireless card then07:18
zenroxyep07:18
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ellszenrox, nice to know now07:19
tritiumells, one moment...sorry07:19
ellsI actually was impressed with the look of debian07:19
ellstritium: no problem07:19
CompotatoJHey, is there a way to detect scsi devices without restarting ubuntu?07:19
ellszenrox, I have debian on my desktop and ubuntu on my lapotp07:19
crimsuneb0x: ping07:20
tritiumells, okay, sorry07:20
geneo91CompotatoJ:  if you have scsiadd07:20
ellstritium: how can I set up my NEW linux desktop to access it07:20
tritiumells, I'm not familiar with that chipset.  Can you give me more info?07:20
CompotatoJgeneo91, I do not.07:20
ellstritium: I mean that is the one that has debain on it07:21
tritiumells, you can msg me if you like07:21
ellstritium: need to make it act like a file server07:21
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ellscool07:21
CompotatoJgeneo91, Should I get scsiadd?07:21
geneo91CompotatoJ:  i dunno ifs its in ubuntu or not07:21
geneo91if you can CompotatoJ07:21
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CompotatoJgeneo91, oh, ok, thanks.07:21
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ace2001achow can you tell which package a file belongs to?07:23
strat_kingi was wondering if anyone knew which repositories i needed for aac, mplayer, mp3 and and mono/monodevelop07:23
ace2001acis there a search util?07:23
ScislaCis gnucash 1.8.9 the most recent ver available for ubuntu?07:24
crimsunace2001ac: http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/07:24
thullystrat_king: you need universe,multiverse,and marillat, plus cerkinfo if you want gstreamer lame support - restrictedformat wiki tells youwhat todo07:24
tritiumScislaC, yes, even in hoary07:24
CompotatoJDoes anyone know a good website for ubuntu x86_64 support? I am trying to add repositories to apt-get but I haven't found any for x86_6407:25
quaruptanyone else have trouble doing apt-get install fluxbox      on hoary AMD64?07:25
bob2CompotatoJ: e.g.?07:25
bob2quarupt: if they did, they'd have asked on the list07:25
ace2001accrimsun: do you know if that functionality is available as a util instead of website?07:25
zenroxquarupt,  will fluxbox support 64bit07:25
geneo91anyone having issues with xmms in hoary (segfaults)07:25
bob2ace2001ac: apt-cache search blah07:25
crimsunquarupt: is universe enabled?07:25
bob2zenrox: er, all non-useless Free Software runs on 64-bit platforms07:26
crimsunace2001ac: install apt-file07:26
CompotatoJbob2: e.g. mp3s for rhythm box07:26
bob2remember Debian has been porting stuff to Alpha for 7 years07:26
ace2001acbob2: thanks07:26
zenroxbob2,  dint know07:26
ace2001accrimsun: thanks07:26
bob2CompotatoJ: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats07:26
quaruptyes my sources are fine, it just has error during install07:26
bob2CompotatoJ: gstreamer0.8-mad is in universe07:26
CompotatoJahhh.. nice =] 07:26
CompotatoJthanks bob207:27
thullyhas anyone suggested doing an Ubuntu Weekly News in the format of Debian's - I know there's Traffic, but that's just focused on the mailing lists07:27
bob2thully: most useful discussion happens on the lists07:27
CompotatoJbob2: it says it is i386, not x6407:28
bob2CompotatoJ: I don't know what you're talking about07:28
ScislaCtritium: is it not wise for me to try and build it then? (just wondering if there's a specific reason other than no one has done it)07:28
bob2universe is built for all architecture07:28
bob2s07:28
thullywell - there is some outside the lists, and I like the formatof debian weekly news07:28
CompotatoJbob2: it says it is i386, not x64 wiki--restricted formats07:28
bob2CompotatoJ: ignore that07:28
bob2thully: e.g.?07:28
tritiumScislaC, you certainly can try, if you like.  Is it not up-to-date?07:28
bob2the forums are useless.  the irc meetings get minuted.07:28
ScislaCtritium: newest ver is 1.8.1107:29
bob2thully: but if you want to volunteer to write it, I'm sure it would be appreciated07:29
tritiumScislaC, I see.  Not sure what to recommend.07:29
tritiumScislaC, I guess it's your call.07:29
strat_kingquick question, does multiverse work w/ hoary even though dist. says warty?07:29
deFryskpoit it to hoary07:29
bob2strat_king: er, no07:29
deFryskpoint07:29
bob2strat_king: you point it at hoary smultiverse07:29
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bob2CompotatoJ: the amd64 debs are sitting in the archive07:30
thullybob2: I'm a bit busy,so I don't know if I could maintain it07:30
quaruptokay wtf?07:30
quarupti try to run the update manager but it cant download gksu??  anyone else have the same prob07:31
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deFrysksudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install gksu07:34
deFryskor something07:34
CompotatoJWhat is the difference between downloading packages as source or binary files07:36
thullyI think that Ubuntu rocks - I actually started using Linux(although dual-booted until recently) with Debian 2.0 aka hamm07:36
tritiumCompotatoJ, you have to build the source packages before they're installable07:36
siriusanyone knows the use of CEDEGA?07:36
siriusi get the error 21...07:37
kreigerSirius, i do.07:37
sirius?07:37
kreigerwell, kinda07:37
kreigerwhich game?07:37
siriusAOC07:37
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CompotatoJtritium, Is building the source any better?07:37
siriusor Deadlock07:37
kreigeroh, no clue look on the forums07:37
geneo91does anyone know what the package name is for gnomeradio07:37
bob2CompotatoJ: no07:37
tritiumCompotatoJ, not really07:37
siriusi make dpkg -i to the .deb07:37
CompotatoJokk07:38
siriusbut when trying to execute any .exe get the error 2107:38
speedy2782my wifi card is recognized, can search with iwlist, and can't connect to the AP i think. can someone walk me through the steps needed to connect?07:38
bob2speedy2782: disable all access control on the AP, first07:38
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siriussee ya07:39
siriusi need to sleep07:39
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siriusand Linux rulez!!07:40
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HillTopHow do I "zeroed my disk with dd" before installing??07:40
deFrysksirius, people who use linux rule07:40
deFrysk;p07:40
siriushaha07:40
siriusyep07:40
siriuswindoze stinksssssss07:40
siriusbye07:40
speedy2782bob2: you mean take off the password to login to it?07:41
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CompotatoJIs it a dumb idea to have CD Ubuntu as a repository07:41
deFryskCompotatoJ, not dumb, but unneeded07:42
CompotatoJdeFrysk, ok thanks07:42
deFryskCompotatoJ, sorry is Is dumb ;p07:42
CompotatoJok07:43
thullyno - isn't dumb - it is actually smart, as it will grab the packages from CD if the latest version is available there07:43
thullyif you have a mega-pipe, it doesn't matter, but on lower speed broadband and dial-up, it does07:44
deFryskthully, on slow connections it might be handy, agree07:44
thullyI use it, since my connection downloads at 144kbps07:44
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quaruptwhich is more stable ESD or ALDA?07:45
quaruptALSA*07:45
deFryskalsa in the standard07:45
speedy2782My wlan is active, my eth0 is inactive. I can't seem to connect to AP because I am not sure of the terminal comands. I can't access the internet without the lan connected...even though lan0 is inactive...any suggestions07:45
quaruptim using Hoary its default was ESD?07:45
thullyESD uses ALSA - it is a sound server which allows >1 app to use sound atone time07:46
thullyare you thinking of OSS?07:46
quaruptno im selecting a sound output server, it has ESD, ALSA, or OSS07:46
quarupta sink i mean07:47
bob2speedy2782: I mean, make it so you don't need to play with WEP or whatever07:47
deFryskquarupt, try them all and see wich works for you07:47
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speedy2782it isn't my connection to mess with07:48
quarupt"No use for a name" ROCKSD07:48
speedy2782or I would07:48
quaruptoops07:48
bob2then you need to set your wep key07:49
bob2and such07:49
bob2iwconfig eth1 essid blah07:49
bob2iwconfig eth1 wep blah07:49
bob2etc07:49
speedy2782after that what do i do07:49
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quaruptis there somewhere to get more Ubuntu wallpaper?07:56
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TQuidHi again folks.07:57
TQuidSo, my sound is very . . . weird-sounding on this new install.07:57
TQuidThe X system is definitely trying to make sound . . . stuff comes out the speakers.  But it's like it's going through some bizarre degradation from passing through some hell-dimension.07:58
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TQuidAny clues what that's likely to be?07:58
quarupttry a diff sink ;)07:59
TQuidSorry, not getting what you mean by "diff sink".  Er?07:59
bob2speedy2782: ?08:00
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bob2speedy2782: then you see if you're associated08:00
TQuidLooks like it's using alsa, the default.08:00
bob2then you try to get a dhcp list08:00
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thullyjust updated Ubuntu RestrictedFormats wiki - to point out issues w/esd and third party plugins08:02
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techn9nein hoary is there a way to add things to the places menu?08:05
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eyequeuewhat is a places menu?08:06
techn9nethe places menu on the menubar08:07
eyequeuei don't have that08:07
techn9neits on hoary08:07
techn9negot added in gnome 2.1008:07
eyequeuewhat is it for?08:07
techn9nei dunno they just reorganized the menus08:08
techn9neapplications, places, system08:08
techn9neits got home, documents, network, drives etc. in it08:08
eyequeuebrisbane, melbourne, london, miami?08:08
eyequeue"places" is a strange thing to call documents, imo08:09
techn9neits not documents its places on your computer and network08:09
eyequeue"places" on my computer?  ram, cpu, ports?08:10
eyequeuei guess i don't think the way they do08:10
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eyequeuea place is a physical location to me08:10
helix_i am having trouble adding the marrillat sources to ubuntu08:11
helix_i get this problem while updating08:11
helix_W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B90708:11
helix_W:08:11
techn9nea place isnt a physical location08:11
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techn9neits a definable spot08:11
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geneo91its still stupid08:12
eyequeue1: a point located with respect to surface features of some08:12
eyequeue           region08:12
techn9neok i dont care i dont work for gnome08:12
techn9neits there whether we like it or not08:12
eyequeuei really have to wonder about them08:13
techn9nei like it08:13
eyequeuewell, it's not for me, for a month at least :)08:13
eyequeuethen i'll have to see if i can delete it i guess08:13
Teal`cubuntu is going okay so far but it horrid for trying to play an multimedia files with08:14
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RattboiI am wondering if anyone could tell me the best solution for remotely accessing X08:14
Teal`cjust installed mplayer, vlc, gnome vlc, gmplayer... all fail with stupid errors08:14
techn9neeyequeue: i guess.. i think breaking comons taks intol multiple menus makes sense08:14
geneo91well all of gnome is kinda dumb to me08:14
Teal`cneeds some polish before mass marketing08:14
RattboiI know about VNC, but what is the best VNC server?08:14
eyequeuehelix_:  grep nerim /etc/apt/sources.list08:14
techn9neTeal`c: get totem-xine08:14
techn9neTeal`c: then you need the win32 codecs08:14
crimsunRattboi: try the Remote Desktop tool that comes with Warty/Hoary (Vio)08:14
crimsunRattboi: err, Vino08:14
Teal`cya... tried that too.. fails08:14
techn9newhy did it fail?08:15
Rattboicrimsun, I'll check it out08:15
helix_eyequeue: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main08:15
Teal`ccommand line errors, illegal instruction irrc08:15
helix_i am running hoary08:15
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techn9neTeal`c: warty?08:15
crimsunTeal`c: you can't use mplayer-custom unless you're on a Pentium 408:15
Teal`choary08:15
techn9neare you using latest version?08:15
eyequeuehelix_:  i have "testing" where you have "unstable" and it seems to work here08:15
techn9neim using hoary and multimedia works great08:16
Teal`cya.. this needs some polishing up .. and really, you guys should dump the u.s. mirrors, screw their legal fiasco08:16
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Teal`cnot bad overall08:16
gabaugwhere can I manually download ubuntu packages?08:16
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crimsungabaug: same place, archive.ubuntu.com08:16
eyequeuehelix_:  you can try that perhaps to see if there is an error?08:16
TQuidgabaug, check /etc/apt/sources.list, that should have urls you can search from.08:16
geneo91crimsun:  i'm sorry but i dont think ubuntu is reporting my disk usage quite right 4.6 gigs without OO08:17
gabaugcrimsun: okay, I'm at archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/warty/main/binary-i386/ and I don't see any .deb files..08:17
crimsungabaug: look in pool/08:17
gabaugcrimsun: ah08:17
helix_eyequeue: i get the error, now i tried to install mplayer-686 seems to download and install08:18
geneo91hey theres no water in the pool08:18
geneo91try i58608:19
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helix_w00t, it works now08:19
eyequeuehelix_:  i'm not sure what app is checking that sig, but it may be a hoary version (i'm on warty here)08:19
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eyequeuehelix_:  it's a nice feature, though that archive isn't protected by it sadly08:20
gabaugcrimsun: are .deb's in /poo/ just for warty or hoary or are somehow general? I want to get a copy of a .deb that will work with the basic, non-updated warty install08:20
gabauger, /pool/08:20
techn9negabaug: be careful about mixing hoary/warty packages08:20
eyequeuehelix_:  but of course, that's not a ubuntu repository, so it will not always meet the exact same standards08:21
gabaugtechn9ne: ok...how? I don't see how to differentiate them w/ in /pool/08:21
crimsunhelix_: / eyequeue: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary08:21
helix_eyequeue: i thought so, but it did downloaded and installed mplayer sucessfully08:21
eyequeuecrimsun:  thanks, it's exactly like i guessed it to be :)  glad to see it finally happeneing08:22
crimsungabaug: like this? http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/warty/08:22
helix_crimson: thanks08:23
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eyequeuehelix_:  marillat is not exactly consistent with the hoary changes, i guess08:23
helix_yeah08:23
techn9negabaug: best bet is to either pin, upgrade to hoary or use backports08:24
helix_hoary is nice indeed, i am really enjoying this ubuntu08:24
gabaugtechn9ne: what do you mean "pin"?08:24
helix_i got tired of debian long time waiting for upgrading the unstable repository08:25
eyequeuehelix_:  Merge the archive key for debian-marillat into your default user's keyring. If successful, the gpg process will report 'key 1F41B907: public (at the url crimsun gave)08:25
helix_eyequeue: done08:25
helix_it update fine now08:25
fabbionemorning08:28
thullyhelix_: what do you mean about upgrading the unstable repository?08:31
makhey guys, I just installed the Hoary preview... how do i get access to my windows partition?08:33
helix_i was having trouble adding the marillat repositories to hoary08:33
helix_mak08:33
makwhat does that mean, helix?08:34
helix_mount -t ntfs /dev/hda* /ntfs08:34
reonmak, FAT32 or NTFS ?08:34
helix_thats if you have ntfs08:34
makoh... :) you were getting my attention. fat3208:34
helix_mount -t vfat /dev/hda* /ntfs08:34
helix_* == partion number08:34
helix_but first08:34
helix_do08:34
helix_sudo mkdir /ntfs08:34
makyou mean, fat32?08:35
helix_oh yes08:35
helix_my bad08:35
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helix_:|08:35
reonmak,  http://ubuntuguide.org/#mountunmountfat08:35
helix_sudo mkdir /fat3208:35
helix_or just fat08:35
makdone08:35
reonmak, working ?08:35
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helix_i bet your windows partion is /dev/hda108:35
makyes, it should be08:36
helix_then mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /fat08:36
helix_try ls /fat08:36
helix_to see if it worked08:36
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makyeah, it worked08:37
makthanks08:37
helix_:D08:37
makis there a way I can put a little link to it on the desktop?08:37
reonmak, lots of these type of questions get answered in the ubuntuguide, check it out08:37
helix_you can add it to you /etc/fstab so it would mount at boot up08:37
makok. will do08:37
helix_and create the mount dir under your desktop08:38
helix_instead of /fat08:38
makum... the guide, as i understood it was mostly for warty... I'm geussing there is enough overlap?08:38
helix_should be ~/Desktop/fat08:38
helix_i am running hoary08:38
reonmak, there is a lot of overlap, some things are different but not much08:39
makok. i'll take a look08:39
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I_AM_THAT_I_AMhello08:46
eb0xHello.08:46
geneo93ebox did you get that sound working08:47
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I_AM_THAT_I_AMI have found ubuntu hardware detection to be outstanding08:48
helix_I_AM_THAT_I_AM: indeed!08:48
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geneo93sure wish it had a control pannel though08:49
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I_Am_Godyou can always apt-get kde08:50
I_Am_Godif you want a good control panel anology08:50
geneo93i have kde08:51
geneo93i need to fix my usb stuff08:51
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geneo93i have a mobo with genelink and firewire08:52
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FUCKERack08:52
FUCKERback08:52
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I_AM_Gee_Zuzhello world08:54
PacoBCNhi08:54
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zyagaDoes anyone know how to setup dual monitors for Ubuntu?08:54
PacoBCNzyaga, I'm sure there is some HOWTO in the forums08:55
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zyagaI looked in the Wiki.08:55
makok... so i seem to be having some major problems with my sound... anyone have ideas where i can seek help or help me?08:55
zyagaThough I didnt see anything08:55
PacoBCNand the readme of your driver is also a help08:55
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helllhey guys...im partitioning my harddrive and i was wondering.. about how big should my swap, /boot, /home, and free space be?08:58
hellli have 120 gig hd08:58
PacoBCNwell, I guess your swap can be as big as your ram is08:58
cantpinmedownswap atleast 400GB, boot 1KB / 40000GB and08:58
cantpinmedownMB08:59
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cantpinmedownsory08:59
geneo93hehe08:59
gabaugwhat packages are essential to building kernel modules that aren't included in the default warty install? (eg gcc...and what else?)08:59
ace2001achelll: i have 120GB also, I have 100MB /boot, 1GB swap, 2 10GB root partitions for different distros of linux if i want a second and the rest for home08:59
geneo93kernel utils09:00
helllace2001ac: what about / ?09:00
crimsungabaug: build-essential fakeroot linux-headers-$(uname -r) kernel-package09:00
helllace2001ac: oh never mind09:00
ace2001achelll: ah, ok09:01
zyagaI've looked on the forums through all the HOWTO's and also through the Sticky's and I still can't find it, how to setup multiple monitors.09:01
geneo93ace2001ac:  you may want 2 diff home partitions also09:02
ace2001achelll: I'm ok with only one, the second distro would only be for testing09:03
gabaugcrimsun: thanks09:03
geneo93hell i'd give the whole drive for ubuntu09:04
geneo93there is no other09:04
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zyagaCan anyone tell me how to setup multiple monitors on Ubuntu, been looking on the forums but so far can't find anything.09:06
androsYou need to get acquainted with xinerama, zyaga.09:07
zyagaxinerama?09:07
androsIndeed.09:07
androsHang on, let me get that wiki page.09:08
zyagaIt doesnt come istalled already does it?09:08
androsShould be.09:09
zyagaHmm.09:09
zyagaHow would I get to it.09:09
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PacoBCNhttp://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/XineramaMultipleMonitors09:10
androsYou have to fiddle around in your X config file.09:10
androsDo you have warty or hoary?09:10
zyagaWarty.09:10
androshttp://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/XineramaHowTo/view?searchterm=xinerama09:10
androsOK, so the config file in question is /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.09:11
makcan someone tell me where to start in getting my sound to work?09:11
androsWhat's wrong with it, mak?09:11
makjust installed hoary on my laptop, no sound09:11
makif i try to play something, that application either does nothing or freezes09:12
androshmm.09:12
makin the list of devices, i'm not seeing anything that is obviously sound related... though i could be missing somehting09:12
PacoBCNwhich sound server are you using?09:12
geneo93mak did you update things09:12
makyes, it told me i had like 64 updates and i did that09:13
PacoBCNis ALSA your default sound server?09:14
makwell, i believe so. how would i check?09:14
androsGo to the System Menu.09:14
PacoBCNMenu:System->Preferences->Multimedia system selector09:15
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makyep, there09:15
geneo93alsamixer would tell you09:15
maki selected alsa09:15
maktest gave errors09:15
androsOK.09:15
makfor both09:15
PacoBCNtry killing esd09:15
PacoBCN"killall esd"09:15
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mak' no process killed'09:16
zyagaandros: Have you used Xinerama?09:16
makwith an esd: in front of that09:16
PacoBCNweird problem09:16
PacoBCNwarty or hoary?09:16
makhoary09:16
PacoBCNit says error or you just don't hear anything?09:17
geneo93alsa mixer will tell you what chip is used09:17
makFailed to construct test pipeline for 'ALSA - Advanced Linux Sound Architecture'09:17
makFailed to construct test pipeline for 'ALSA - Advanced Linux Sound Architecture'09:18
makwhoops, sorry09:18
makIntel 82801DV-ICH?409:18
makConexant id 3009:18
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geneo93so you have alsamixer open09:19
gtjacket7483anyone here running on a powerbook09:19
geneo93check settings09:19
makyes, its open09:19
geneo93maybe its muted09:20
makno, master isnt09:20
makneither is pcm, headphone09:20
geneo93pcm09:21
geneo93hmm09:21
makpcm is not muted09:21
geneo93ac9709:22
orospakrmdz, sorry about choosing the wrong bug level for 7556.09:22
makgeneo93, you talkting to me?09:23
maki have no ac9709:23
geneo93yeah09:23
gtjacket7483anyone know how to change horizontal sync rate09:23
_d4vidhi all09:24
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makgeneo93, under /proc/asound/cards: it has  Intel 82801DB-ICH4 with unknown codec at 0xe0100c00, irq 1709:24
makdoes that mean anything? the unknown codec09:24
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geneo93oh maybe you need win32 codecs09:25
maki'll try09:26
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geneo93your trying to play mp309:26
makmp3 or cd09:26
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geneo93hmm09:27
makneither did anything. xmms froze, while the default cd player just did nothing09:27
geneo93well you should get sounds from gnome any how09:27
makright, no such luck09:28
geneo93the drums sound09:28
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maknope09:28
geneo93look on wiki no codecs09:28
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StaleFishhello?09:31
makwell, I think its bed time. hopefully I'll have better luck another day09:31
makgene, thanks for the help09:31
crimsunmak: sec09:31
makoh. you got something, crimsun?09:32
crimsunmak: cat /proc/asound/modules09:32
crimsunsorry, I'm debugging gtk-gnutella sigsegv and helping another user get his emu10k1x working, so I haven't been paying attention to this buffer09:32
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mak0 snd_intel8x009:33
ScislaCwould ubuntu which is on an ext3 partition have issues reading from an ext2 partition?09:33
crimsunmak: lsmod|grep ^snd_intel8x009:33
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maksnd_intel8x0m          17220  009:34
maksnd_intel8x0           29984  309:34
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StaleFishDoes anyone know why my packages in Synampic have vanished?09:34
crimsunmak: aha!09:34
makoh?09:34
crimsunmak: echo "snd-intel8x0m" | sudo tee -a /etc/hotplug/blacklist09:35
crimsunmak: when you reboot, sound should work.09:35
crimsun(you don't _have_ to reboot, but the process is far simpler if you do)09:36
maksnd-intel8x0m09:36
makok.. I guess I'll try now09:36
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geneo93crimsun:  so its getting loaded twice09:36
makthat was the output09:36
maki see09:36
crimsungeneo93: no, "m" signifies the modem09:36
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crimsungeneo93: in 9 out of 10 cases I've seen, that module being loaded causes problems. It's not always the case, however.09:37
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geneo93so the device was busy then crimsun09:37
crimsunwell, esd/polypaudio was trying to use features that weren't available09:38
geneo93oic09:38
sfahi all09:39
sfado you know where's my mistake that gcc giving me a bunch of errors?09:40
sfaI'm using ubuntu 4.10, gcc 3.3.409:40
EfentharWirelessWhat errors? What are you compiling?09:40
sfathe code is in c++09:40
crimsunsfa: what are you trying to do?09:41
crimsunsfa: dpkg -l build-essential|grep ^ii09:41
sfaonly simple program to try the installed gcc09:41
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sfahere what happened09:41
sfa#include <iostream>09:42
sfausing namespace std;09:42
sfaint main()09:42
sfa{09:42
sfacout << "Hi, this is RJ" << endl;09:42
sfareturn 0;09:42
sfa}09:42
sfa#gcc testing.cpp09:42
sfa/tmp/ccE4uWfT.0(.text+0x1b): In function 'main':09:42
sfa:Undefined reference to 'std::cout'09:42
sfa/tmp/ccE4uWfT.0(.text+0x20): In function 'main':09:42
sfa:Undefined reference to 'std::basic_ostream<char,std::char_traits<char>>&std::operator<< <std::char_traits<char>>(std::basic_ostream<char,std::chr_traits<char)>&,char const*)'09:42
sfa/tmp/ccE4uWfT.0(.text+0x28): In function 'main':09:43
sfa:Undefined reference to 'std::basic_osream<char,std::char_traits<chr>&std::endl<chr,std::char_traits<char>>(std::basic_ostream<char,std::char_traits<char>>&)'09:43
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sfa/tmp/ccE4uWfT.0(.text+0x30): In function 'main':09:43
sfaUndefined reference to 'std::basic_ostream<char,std::char_traits<char>>::operator <<(std::bsic_ostream<char,std::chr_traits<char>>&(*)(std:basic_ostream<char,std::char_traits<char>>&))'09:43
sfa/tmp/ccE4uWfT.0(.text+0x59): In function '__static_initialization_and_destruction_0(int,int)':09:43
sfa:Undefined reference to 'std::ios_ase::Init::Init[in-charge] ()'09:43
sfa/tmp/ccE4uWfT.0(.text+0x8a): In function '__tcf_0':09:43
sfaUndefinde reference to 'std::ios_base::Init::~Init[in-charge] ()'09:43
sfa/tmp/ccE4uWfT.0(.eh_frame+0x11)09:43
sfa:Undefined reference to '__gxx_personality_vo'09:43
sfacollect2:ld returned 1 exit status.09:43
EfentharWirelessHave you got libc++ installed?09:43
sfaofcourse09:43
sfait is libstdc v309:43
eb0xsfa: for that kind of stuff, please paste in #flood or use something like www.nopaste.biz09:43
sfaheheh sorry... I just thought you guys need the detail09:44
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eb0xits ok, just for future reference ;p09:44
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EfentharWirelesssfa, are you trying to complile a c++ program with gcc? you need to be using g++09:44
eyequeueand you have the -dev of the libraries?09:44
daroothi @ all09:44
sfaiI have had the g++ link with the gcc09:45
eyequeueit looks like he is trying to compile as root ???09:45
crimsunsfa: again, please dpkg -l build-essential|grep ^ii09:45
eb0xdaroot: Hi09:45
darootyesterday i installed ubuntu an now i want change the default boot os to windows i edited my /boot/grub/menu.lst but i can't save it!09:45
EfentharWirelesssfa, is that english?09:45
crimsunsfa: your issue is that you lack the appropriate C++ packages09:45
_4strOdaroot> sudo gedit ...09:46
eyequeuedaroot:  sudo before the ex=dit command09:46
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eb0xdaroot: How did you try saving it?09:46
sfacrimsun: ok, I'll try your command when I get home09:46
crimsunsfa: no, what you need to do is: sudo apt-get install build-essential09:46
mario8723Hi all!09:46
darooti edit with vi and then :wq09:46
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eb0xdaroot: try pico or nano09:47
membreyais there any way to tell what processes are currently using a particular partition ?09:47
eyequeuedaroot:  sudo vi /boot/grub/menu.lst09:47
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darootyeah i've done with this command but doesn't work09:47
eyequeuedaroot:  sudo is needed for root permissions09:47
sfacrimsun: what are the c++ packages? I've already installed all in sypnatic package09:47
mario8723Question for anybody...noob here09:47
eb0xdaroot: :wq isnt a command in pico09:47
crimsunsfa: just run the command I gave you :-)09:47
makcrimsun, the sounds work -- some of them09:48
eb0xdaroot: You will control + w .. y .. enter09:48
sfaeyequeue: can't I use su instead of sudo?09:48
darootno it's a command for vi09:48
eyequeuesfa no09:48
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sfacrimsun: thx crimsun, I'll try it as soon as I get home, in cybercafe now :-)09:48
crimsunmak: which ones?09:48
eb0xhey hone09:48
crimsunsfa: ok :-)09:48
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eyequeuedaroot:  sudo09:48
makwell, the drims and the other system sounds09:48
mario8723I just downloaded Gnomebaker09:49
crimsunmak: ok, and which ones don't?09:49
makbut... xmms still freezes, tried to play a cd and that took 92% cpu cycles09:49
membreyawhat's up mario8723 ?09:49
makwith no sound09:49
mario8723Tried installing, but getting an error saying I don't have compiler package?09:49
mario8723I know I'm missing something09:49
eb0xmario8723: Which package?09:49
sfaeyequeue: why we have to use sudo while we have powerful su?09:49
eb0xmario8723: According to the error, which package are you missing?09:49
mario8723C compiler I believe it said09:50
crimsunmak: configure XMMS to use the esd output plugin.09:50
eyequeuesfa:  this is ubuntu, there are security measures designed into it09:50
membreyasudo apt-get install gcc mario872309:50
darootwhen i type sudo vi /blablabla then i have to type my password, enter nothing because i never enter a password for sudo/root , and vi doesn't start09:50
mario8723Ah09:50
mario8723Lemme try09:50
membreyais there any way to tell what processes are currently using a particular partition ?09:50
crimsunmak: as for CD playing, you need to enable DMA for your CD/DVD drive09:50
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eb0xdaroot:  you *must* enter a password09:50
eyequeuedaroot:  use *your* password!09:50
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makok.. where?09:51
eyequeuedaroot:  the primary user password09:51
darooti will try09:51
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daroothow do i save and exit in nano?09:51
netpuppyalternately you could 'sudo passwd'09:51
crimsunmak: Options>Preferences>Output Plugins09:51
netpuppyand set a root password09:51
crimsundaroot: ctrl+x09:51
eyequeuedaroot:  use vi, which you know09:51
eb0xdaroot: You will control + w .. y .. enter09:51
eb0xer09:51
eb0xsorry09:51
eb0xcontrol +x09:51
netpuppyanybody got the "new" ati drivers installed?09:52
eyequeuenetpuppy:  better not to advise newbies to subvert the security designed into the system, imo09:52
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netpuppyeyequeue: how does setting a root password sacrifice security?09:53
makcrimsun, are you talking about xmms or the cd player?09:53
darootit works fine :)09:53
daroothow can i disable the system speaker or the sound which i get in console when i want to delete something and there is nomore anything to delete?09:54
mario8723membreya: I just installed gcc09:54
Agrajagnetpuppy: here's a scenario, I don't think it's too far gone09:54
eyequeuenetpuppy:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo09:54
Agrajagsomeone gets the IP address of some guy who's running sshd09:54
mario8723then I cd to the gnomebaker folder and ran ./configure09:54
mario8723but I'm getting "configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check"09:54
Agrajagthe person running sshd is a raw newbie, doesn't check security logs or anything09:54
makcrimsun, you are my hero. xmms now works!09:55
maknow... the cd player...09:55
Agrajagthey set a root password, an easy-to-remember, 5-letter password.09:55
crimsunmak: great :-)09:55
AgrajagAll someone then has to do is brute-force root, since they already know the username09:55
crimsunmak: which device is your cd player? primary/secondary master/slave?09:55
darootdoes anyone know how i can listen to shoutcast streams? it must be easy to install :)09:55
mario8723Can anybody help me?09:55
Agrajagif they don't know the user name, they can't crack the account09:56
makoh... hmm... ist a laptop09:56
eb0xmario8723: Give me one sec to look that up for you09:56
mario8723sure09:56
mario8723thanks09:56
crimsunmario8723: sudo apt-get install build-essential09:56
makdaroot, xmms09:56
mario8723k09:56
eyequeueit's build-essential night09:56
darootand how do i install this?09:56
mario8723crimsun: done09:56
darootis there a tutorial for me noob ;)09:57
mario8723Now what? Try to ./configure again?09:57
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eb0xmario8723:  Yes09:57
makdaroot, sudo apt-get install xmms09:57
crimsunmario8723: yep, and you'll probably run into additional errors09:57
crimsunmario8723: which means you'll continue to apt-get install <various development packages>09:57
eyequeuedaroot:  http://ubuntuguide.org/09:57
daroot309:57
daroot409:57
daroot309:58
daroot409:58
mario8723Which I did09:58
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netpuppyAgrajag: well, yeah?09:58
mario8723Missing libgnomeui-2.009:58
geneo93509:58
darootThe following packages have unmet dependencies:09:58
daroot  amarok-gstreamer: Depends: gstreamer0.8-oss but it is not going to be installed or09:58
Agrajagnetpuppy: just saying is all09:58
mario8723Tried to apt-get but couldn't find package?09:58
Agrajagalso read that wiki page09:58
eb0xmario8723: apt-get install libgnomeui-2.009:58
netpuppyAgrajag: and why couldn't the exact same thing happen if the user were using sudo?09:58
eb0xmario8723: try that09:58
netpuppy(and his account got bruteforced)09:58
mario8723I did, and that's what I got09:58
Agrajageb0x: he needs the -dev package09:59
mario8723Couldn't find package09:59
Agrajagnetpuppy: how do they know his username?09:59
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darooti got the error "the following packages have unmet dependencies"09:59
mario8723so I should sudo apt-get install libgnomeui-2.0-dev?09:59
eb0xmario8723: Try apt-get install libgnomeui-dev09:59
ompauldaroot > sudo apt-get gstreamer0.8-oss <09:59
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mario8723k09:59
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eb0xgo with what ompaul said09:59
eb0xim also new to linux ;p09:59
makcrimsun, how do i enabel dma? i think the device is a master, but like i said, its laptop.. so I'm nt sure09:59
netpuppyAgrajag: most people don't keep their usernames secret10:00
eyequeuewith the word install added10:00
ompauldaroot, and when it asks for a password that password is yours10:00
bruno_I used apt-get to install xmmms but i noticed the playing quality is quite bad, any ideas?10:00
membreya_my gnome is doing some freaky lockups today :|10:00
netpuppybruno_: adjust the volume with alsa-mixer10:00
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netpuppybruno_: don't set it above 74% if you have a cheap (or on-board) sound card10:01
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bruno_wll that get rid of the bad 'distorting'?10:01
mario8723Btw, as a Linux noob I think places like this are absolutely a godsend10:01
Agrajagnetpuppy: if you scan a block of IPs for running ssh servers, how does that get you the username?10:01
mario8723Thanks to everybody10:01
netpuppybruno_: you /could/ try10:01
darooti always got the same error also when i want to install gstreamer0.8-oss10:01
Agrajagit's at least one more obstacle10:01
bruno_thnks10:01
membreya_mario8723: did you get gnomebaker configured?10:02
crimsunmak: grep ATAPI /var/log/dmesg10:02
netpuppyAgrajag: I don't know about you, but at least I don't allow root logins over ssh10:02
eb0xmario8723: Also bookmark www.ubuntuguide.org10:02
Agrajagnetpuppy: some people do10:02
mario8723Already did, thanks eb0x10:02
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Agrajagnewbies are not usually so security0minded10:02
eb0xmario8723: You're welcome10:02
netpuppyAgrajag: some people are retards10:02
makhdc: _NEC DVD+/-RW ND-6450A, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive10:02
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makhdc: ATAPI 24X DVD-ROM DVD-R CD-R/RW drive, 2048kB Cache10:02
Agrajaghell, when I first started, I ran a telnetd10:02
mario8723Now I installed libgnomeui-dev10:02
mario8723Where do I go from here?10:02
darootamarok-gstreamer: Depends: gstreamer0.8-oss but it is not going to be installed or10:02
Agrajagmario8723: run configure again10:03
eb0xmario8723: try ./configure again10:03
mario8723membreya: working on it10:03
mario8723k10:03
netpuppyAgrajag: I did too, but that was because ssh didn't exist :)10:03
hank_Hi all, anyone had any luck changing splash screens in ubuntu?10:03
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hank_After several days my wireless finally works with ubuntu, Yay!10:03
netpuppyor rather rsh10:03
netpuppyunencrypted, anyways10:03
mario8723Missing vorbisfile now, lol10:03
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Agrajagtrue, but it doesn't mean it was a particularly good idea10:03
mario8723Apt-getting as we speak10:03
mario8723Couldn't find package10:04
mario8723doh10:04
Agrajagmario8723: use apt-cache search <name> to find a package10:04
geneo93hank_:  are you from beos10:04
mario8723What package should I download to get the vorbisfile?10:04
eb0xmario8723: Do you know how to use Synaptic Package Manager?10:05
mario8723Yes10:05
ompaulmario8723,  well if I wanted to find that out I might do --> apt-cache search vorbis <-- and then looking through the result all would be known :)10:05
Agrajaglibvorbis-dev probably10:05
mario8723I'm doing this through the terminal10:05
eb0xYou can search through synaptic, which i find easier. But if you prefer terminal, go for it and do it that way10:06
netpuppyspeaking of -dev packages.. is there a way to always get headers etc. installed with a package?10:06
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eyequeueno10:06
mario8723I like Synaptic, don't get me wrong, but coming over from *indows, I think I should learn how to do everything in a terminal at first10:06
eb0xnot a bad idea10:07
mario8723Wow10:07
mario8723It looks like I have no other packages to find, lol10:07
Agrajag*indows?10:07
netpuppymario8723: then using the apt front-end isn't really the way to do it10:07
geneo93well just type in synaptic then10:07
schasiwindowsTM10:07
mario8723Windows10:07
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netpuppygo use jhbuild ;)10:07
cocolsudo synaptic10:08
mario8723Okay well I ./configure in the gnomebaker directory10:08
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mario8723and everything seemed to have worked10:08
eb0x<Agrajag> *indows?10:08
eb0xWindows and Lindows I guess10:08
Agrajagit's not lindows any more10:09
mario8723Only I run 'gnomebaker' and get can't be found10:09
Agrajagit's linspire!10:09
netpuppywhy not say ?indows then?10:09
netpuppy:)10:09
bruno_apart from ww.linmodems.com is there any other way for me to get full dunctional drivers for my modem?10:09
AgrajagAll of Debian for only $99 a year!10:09
mario8723Do I have something else to do?10:09
AgrajagSUCH A DEAL10:09
scizzomario8723: you need to install it als10:09
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scizzomario8723: ./configure only checks things for your system10:09
bruno_i mean functional10:09
geneo93mario8723:  did you make install10:09
mario8723no10:09
scizzomario8723: if you can find a INSTALL file in the archive then read that10:09
mario8723make install gnomebaker?10:10
scizzono10:10
Agrajagmario8723: to do the whole thing in one line:10:10
mario8723k10:10
Agrajag./configure && make && sudo make install10:10
Agrajaggive your password when it asks10:10
netpuppygrr... it's freaking annoying that the ubuntu packaged fglrx drivers are so out-dated10:10
eb0xmario8723: For the most part, most things installed you will need to ./configure then make then sudo make install10:10
geneo93well in that case make then make install10:10
AgrajagThat will install almost any sane program from source10:10
eb0xmario8723: which can also be done in one line as Agrajag said by typing ./configure && make && sudo make install10:10
scizzonetpuppy: in warty?10:11
mario8723Doing so now Agrajag10:11
scizzonetpuppy: what is the latest driver?10:11
netpuppyscizzo: hoary10:11
mario8723Done10:11
netpuppyschasi: err, 8.10.19 IIRC10:11
mario8723Anything else or is that it?10:11
Agrajagmario8723: then you should now be able to run it10:11
mario8723I just did!10:11
schasinetpuppy: Err, you meant scizzo10:11
mario8723Thanks!10:11
netpuppyschasi: sorry10:11
quarupthow can i see all games packaged for Ubuntu?10:11
mario8723The big problem I've had to date is trying to figure out how to install things10:12
scizzonetpuppy: 6.8.0-8.8.2510:12
netpuppyscizzo: yes?10:12
Agrajagquarupt: open Synaptic, go to the games and amusement section10:12
quarupttheres 310:12
makcrimsun, you still around?10:12
quaruptare they all the same10:12
scizzonetpuppy: seems like this version is for xorg 6.8.0 and is the fglrx drive version 8.8.2510:12
geneo93now ya know10:12
scizzonetpuppy: its not that old ?10:13
netpuppyscizzo: lets do a math test... which is the higher number, 8 or 10?10:13
mario8723The other problem is trying to setup my sound, ugh10:13
Agrajagquarupt: no, look at all of them10:13
quaruptYou guys think about, by simply typing something and pressing enter, we are communicating instantly with people all over the globe10:13
scizzonetpuppy: lets look at the site instead shall we?10:13
netpuppyscizzo: the current version has a bug so you can't use Xv together with tv-out10:13
netpuppythat's a pretty sick bug10:14
scizzonetpuppy: February 17, 2005 -> 8.10.1910:14
netpuppyscizzo: yep10:14
crimsunmak: yep10:14
mario8723I've been having immense problems with Alsa and trying to configure my onboard sound10:14
scizzonetpuppy: January 29, 2005 -> 8.8.25-210:14
crimsunmak: ok, so it's /dev/hdc10:14
makright10:14
crimsunmak: sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc10:14
scizzonetpuppy: like I said...not that old10:15
netpuppyscizzo: that's a month - considering ati's promise to release new linux drivers every second month I'd consider that to be outdated10:15
mario8723Agrajag: You know anything about that?10:15
Agrajagno10:15
scizzonetpuppy: ok10:15
mario8723Anybody know how to configure a soundcard?10:16
netpuppyand considering the bugs in 8.8.25 I *really* think it needs to be updated10:16
mario8723Or onboard sound I should say10:16
mario8723I've tried posting, but haven't really seen anything that's worked yet10:16
Agrajagall I ever had to do was load the right module and set levels in alsamixer10:16
crimsunmario8723: what sound card?10:16
crimsun(brb)10:16
mario8723VIA onboard10:16
mario8723vx72010:16
scizzonetpuppy: make a package then? :)10:17
netpuppyscizzo: tried that10:18
netpuppyjust 'alien -d fglrx64_6_8_0-8.10.19-1.x86_64.rpm'10:18
makgood night all10:19
mario8723crimsun: VIA VT1720 Evny 24PT Chip10:19
mario8723I've been at this for 2 days now and haven't made any headway10:20
mario8723Should have come here :)10:20
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mario8723I used Synaptic to get alsa10:21
mario8723But I can't seem to get my sound working...everything is silent over here :(10:22
crimsunmario8723: lsmod|grep ^snd_ice172410:22
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mario8723k10:23
mario8723crimsun: I get 'snd_ice1724            54404  0'10:24
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scizzonetpuppy: hehe10:25
mario8723What does that mean exactly?10:25
ikaromojn10:25
membreyawell my partition is now reiserfs :)10:25
membreyajust gotta set the mount so I can write to the bloody thing :P10:26
scizzoy0 ikaro10:26
crimsunmario8723: ok. And please paste the output of amixer to http://pastebin.ca10:26
mario8723when I type in amixer, I get No Such Device10:26
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geneo93alsamixer10:27
mario8723No such device10:27
mario8723:(10:27
crimsunmario8723: please paste the output of lsmod to http://pastebin.ca10:27
mario8723k10:27
mario8723http://pastebin.ca/735310:28
hank_Anyone had any luck compiling programs with ubuntu?10:29
membreyathink I should use nolog with my reiserfs??10:29
scizzohank_: yes10:29
akraI have to admit, I do like clearlooks10:29
Zotnixakra, I just started using it.10:30
akranow... if only I could solve my wireless NIC problem, all would be great!10:30
mario8723Were you able to see it crimsun?10:31
Zotnixakra, wish I could but I have no clue about wireless. Heh10:31
agabuscan someone tell me how to install a .deb package on ubuntu?10:31
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scizzoakra: unsupported card?10:31
scizzoagabus: sudo dpkg -i package.deb10:31
akrascizzo: no it's a centrino: ipw220010:31
hank_oh scizzo, whats the secret?10:32
akraproblem is, it disconnects for no apparent reason and I have to unload/load the module to get it back10:32
scizzohank_: apt-get install build-essential10:32
scizzohank_: that is the first thing...then you have to look at the READMEs and INSTALL file of the program to see the dependencies10:32
scizzoakra: sounds like that is rather annoying10:33
bruno_i installed the alsa mixer, what does the PCM stand for?10:33
hank_I tried that and this came out10:33
hank_Reading Package Lists... Done10:33
hank_Building Dependency Tree... Done10:33
hank_You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these:10:33
hank_The following packages have unmet dependencies:10:33
hank_  build-essential: Depends: gcc (>= 3:3.3) but it is not going to be installed10:33
hank_                   Depends: g++ (>= 3:3.3) but it is not going to be installed10:33
hank_  linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3-386: Depends: linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3 but it is not going to be installed10:33
hank_E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).10:33
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scizzohank_: sudo apt-get -f install10:34
mario8723crimsun?10:34
akrascizzo: yeah!  https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6292 is the relevant bug I think10:34
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scizzohank_: just like it says: "You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these:"10:34
hank_I'll try that.10:35
hank_oh right. thanks10:35
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scizzohank_: after doing 'apt-get -f install' you can run 'apt-get install build-essential' again10:35
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da_bon_bonhi all10:36
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hank_You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these:10:36
hank_The following packages have unmet dependencies:10:36
hank_  build-essential: Depends: gcc (>= 3:3.3) but it is not going to be installed10:36
hank_                   Depends: g++ (>= 3:3.3) but it is not going to be installed10:36
hank_  linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3-386: Depends: linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3 but it is not going to be inst10:36
hank_doh10:36
da_bon_boni just used gparted to copy my ubuntu root partiion /dev/hda2 to /dev/hdc1. now when i try to boot, grub gives and error "selected cylinder bigger than max supported by bios" what do i do ?10:37
crimsunmario8723: yes, sec. (Test-building gtk-gnutella)10:37
mario8723no prob10:38
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da_bon_bonanyone ?10:38
membreya_anyone here using reiserfs that can help me with permissions? ie I have mounted the drive, but nothing except sudo can write to it10:38
makhey, I'm trying to install a vpn client, its asking me for the directory containing linux kernel source code. any ideas?10:38
scizzohank_: did you run apt-get -f install and nothing else?10:38
scizzoI mean no package efter install10:39
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da_bon_bonmak: apt-get install linux-tre-YOURKERNELVERSION10:39
da_bon_bontree10:39
eb0xcrimsun: It worked,10:39
eb0xcrimsun: Thank you so much for all of your help!10:39
hank_no, I ran it with build essential10:40
makda_bon_bon, this will install something? i just need a directory10:40
scizzohank_: then don't10:40
akramembreya, tried adding umask=000 to the optiosn section of the fstab entry?10:40
hank_ahh okay10:40
da_bon_bonmak: this will get u the kernel source10:40
makoh10:40
scizzohank_: like I said: apt-get -f install and then apt-get install build-essential10:40
makso.. i have the haoary preview,10:40
mak2.6.10-4-386?10:41
da_bon_bonmak: yes10:41
da_bon_bonmak: not if u run the 2.6.11 kernel like i do10:41
crimsuneb0x: np :-)10:41
hank_Hey, its working, thanks scizzo10:41
da_bon_boni just used gparted to copy my ubuntu root partiion /dev/hda2 to /dev/hdc1. now when i try to boot, grub gives and error "selected cylinder bigger than max supported by bios" what do i do ?10:41
membreya_akra: then it gives bad file type10:41
membreya_or bad option10:41
scizzohank_: apt-get -f install = fix broken10:41
membreya_it's a bad option cos running it with "defaults" works10:41
scizzohank_: that is why...10:42
hank_yeah, I see, cool.10:42
akramembreya_, hmm10:42
hank_So now just check out the package readme files you say. I'll give it a burl10:42
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akramembreya_, beyond my knowledge, I'm afraid :(10:42
membreya_scizzo: i thought apt-get -f forces it, irrespective of dependancy issues10:42
Akiraoohh i cannot wait till my hoary cds come...10:42
scizzomembreya_: true.. :)10:42
membreya_grrrrf..someone here has to run reiserfs10:42
makCouldn't find package linux-tree-2.6.10-4-386, da_bon_bon10:42
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sittisalhi!10:43
da_bon_bonmak: apt-cache search linux-tree10:43
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da_bon_bonmak: most probably it is linux-tree-2.6.1010:43
crimsunmak: are you trying to compile a kernel module?10:43
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da_bon_boncrimsun: he is install vpn client10:43
geneo93membreya_:  what does the line in fstab say10:43
da_bon_bonmak: it will be a tar.bz2 file unzip it to get the complete source10:43
makok. its getting something10:44
sittisalguys i cannot run any sys/admin tools from warty and hoary10:44
mario8723crimsun: were you able to see my lsmod ok?10:44
membreyageneo93: /dev/sda6       /media/windows reiserfs  defaults      0 010:44
crimsunmak: a kernel module only needs linux-headers. sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)10:44
sittisali've changed root password with sudo passwd10:44
membreyaI haven't tweaked the FS yet, I just want it mounted so that squid can write to it10:44
crimsunmario8723: yes, I'm referencing the source code, sec.10:44
scizzomembreya: apt-get -f install is used to fix broken thingys10:44
geneo93membreya:  is that a cd10:44
mario8723cool10:44
mario8723Thanks10:44
makok. its in the middle of getting the source10:44
scizzomembreya: in from the manual: "Fix;  attempt  to  correct  a system with broken dependencies in place."10:45
membreyageneo93: no, it's a partition on my SATA drive10:45
sittisalbut every tool that requires root privileges says me that the password is not correct...10:45
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membreyascizzo: "-f  Attempt to continue if the integrity check fails"10:45
scizzomembreya: -f can be used for different other options10:45
mario8723Is this channel made up entirely of users or do developers stop by occasionally as well?10:45
membreya:)10:45
mario8723Just curious10:45
sittisalso i've to open console and do "su" and then "name-of-tool"10:45
geneo93why the windows dir and in media dir membreya10:45
scizzomembreya: man apt-get /-f10:46
BleSSi need info about laptops, it's for a tool for auto configuration in live systems. [ grep Name /proc/bus/input/devices|tr "\n" " " ]  If you use acpi, i need: 'ls -R /proc/acpi/' and to apm 'cat /proc/apm' (private message) Thx10:46
geneo93should be in /mnt/blah10:46
scizzomembreya: --help only gives you a breif explanation10:46
membreyageneo93: windows is just a carry over from when it was my FAT32 partition, will fix that once I get it all running the way I want...and I place all my mounts in /media..cos ubuntu guide tells me to10:46
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spiralhi10:47
geneo93thats the problem then10:47
membreyawhy is that the problem ? it was working perfectly :|10:48
geneo93hell all mine in media dont work10:48
membreyai have my smbfs and my ntfs mounts in there10:48
membreyaand they're fine :|10:48
geneo93i'm just so used to mnt10:49
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geneo93thats what i use as default10:49
HiddenWolfIs there any way to autostart programs in gnome and have them appear on a specific terminal or start minimised?10:49
sittisalarghhhh10:50
sittisalall menus are "sudo-nized" :-)10:50
scizzoHiddenWolf: that is how you setup sessions10:50
geneo93membreya:  did you do a mount -a10:50
makcrimsun, now that i got the linux-headers, what do i enter for "Directory containing linux kernel source code"?10:50
membreyageneo93: yup, hmm I can write to the mount when I'm just my normal user, just that the  "proxy"  user doesn't have authority to write it10:51
sittisalahah all i should do is put my password ... ahahah10:51
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HiddenWolfscizzo: I've set up sessions, but I'd like Rhythmbox for instance not to pop into my face but stay in the notification area, where it belongs10:51
scizzoHiddenWolf: hmmm10:51
da_bon_boni just used gparted to copy my ubuntu root partiion /dev/hda2 to /dev/hdc1. now when i try to boot, grub gives and error "selected cylinder bigger than max supported by bios" what do i do ?10:52
geneo93chown /media/blah/blah/ -R 777 membreya10:52
scizzoHiddenWolf: you could send a parameter to it I guess10:52
crimsunmak: /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build10:52
da_bon_boncrimsun: oh, mak needed to compile a module ?10:53
membreyageneo93: it's already 777 :|10:53
mario8723I gotta tell ya, I hope one day I'm the one answering questions in her:)10:53
scizzoHiddenWolf: how...I do not know10:53
geneo93hmmm10:53
mario8723Instead of asking them, lol10:53
crimsunda_bon_bon: dunno, he didn't answer that question.10:54
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scizzomario8723: I think you can answer questions already10:54
mario8723VERY few, lol10:54
scizzomario8723: not really10:54
mario8723I'm just trying to get my damn sound!:)10:54
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scizzomario8723: you have got ubuntu installed haven't you?10:54
da_bon_boncrimsun. oh ok10:55
mario8723Yep10:55
da-roothow can i install the security updates?10:55
makhey... crimsun, da_bon_bon... i dont think it worked10:55
makor maybe its some other problem10:55
membreyathis really has me stumped as to why "proxy" doesn't have the auth to write the cache files...should I just cheat and run it as myself? :)10:55
scizzomario8723: do you get any sound at all...like small clips of sound effects?10:55
makCisco Systems VPN Client Version BUILDVER_STRING10:55
makCopyright (C) 1998-2001 Cisco Systems, Inc. All Rights Reserved.10:55
makusage:10:55
scizzomario8723: like the login sound effect?10:55
mak    ./driver_build.sh 'kernel_src_dir'10:55
mak'kernel_src_dir' is the directory containing the linux kernel sour10:55
makce10:55
makFailed to make module "cisco_ipsec.ko".10:55
membreyaaaaaah!10:55
scizzomario8723: try to turn off the sound server10:55
membreya#flood mak..#flood10:55
mario8723I get nothing at all10:55
scizzomario8723: in System -> Preferences -> Sound or something10:56
mario8723crimsun is looking at my lsmod10:56
scizzomario8723: turn of all sounds there10:56
mario8723It's beyond that at this point10:56
scizzook10:56
mario8723I wish it were that simple, lol10:56
makmembreya, what does that mean?10:56
crimsunmario8723: actually I'm looking at alsa-kernel/pci/ice1712/ice1724.c10:56
fabbionemak: the cisco ipsec module mostlikely needs to be patched10:56
mario8723Ok?10:56
mario8723What's that telling you?10:57
crimsunmario8723: cat /proc/asound/version10:57
mario8723I'm typing that in a terminal right?10:57
makfabbione, what does that mean to me? can i do it?10:57
crimsunmario8723: actually, I got the info. Nevermind. :-)10:57
mario8723lol10:57
mario8723Sorry10:57
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mario8723I've only been at this about 1 1/2 weeks10:57
fabbionemak: it depends how much you know about kernel internals :-)10:58
membreyaok geneo93, I'm just going to cheat and run it as myself :)10:58
geneo93what i looked at was oss sound server mario872310:58
mario8723So I do have alsa drivers installed10:58
fabbionemak: otherwise convince cisco to release their source code ;)10:58
maklol, you're kidding, right?10:58
fabbioneno10:58
membreyagood luck on that one fabbione :P10:58
fabbionemak: i used to patch it myself10:58
fabbionemak: because they kinda.. hmm don10:58
fabbionedon't care?10:58
mario8723geneo93?10:58
membreyahmmm maybe the EU will force them to release their source code10:59
makyou know... i think it may have had it working on my warty... I'll have to check that out10:59
geneo93mario8723:  your paste10:59
mario8723oh10:59
fabbionemak: the problem is that the kernel changes ABI10:59
fabbioneand if the module isn't updated, it might fail to build10:59
maki see10:59
scizzotime to get some more coffee11:00
geneo93mario8723:  dont mind me it 5 am here11:00
fabbionemak: one thing you can do is to compile it manually11:00
fabbionemak: the script to compile is right there11:00
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mario8723I've tried selecting esd, oss, and alsa in System>Prefences>Sound11:00
fabbionemak: and see why it fails11:00
mario87235 am here too11:00
mario8723yawn11:00
fabbioneyou might be lucky enough to be able to fix it11:00
hank_Can I apt-get the latest gtk libraries>11:00
peppe185help me please11:00
crimsunmario8723: what motherboard are you using?11:00
crimsunhank_: if you use Hoary, yes.11:00
makok..11:00
fabbionemak: unfortunatly i don't use it anymore11:01
fabbioneotherwise i could have done it for you11:01
hank_Damn, I'm using warty. Is it easy to upgrade to hoary?11:01
peppe185i would mount a usb compact flash with ubuntu11:01
mario8723That one I actually know the answer to! Albatron PX865PE PRO II11:01
makyou dont use the client?11:01
fabbionemak: not anymore11:01
mario8723Great mobo btw11:01
peppe185i dont say !!!11:01
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makso, should I do the 'driver_build.sh'?11:02
geneo93hank_:  yes in synaotic just change repositiries to hoary11:02
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hank_cool, xang.11:02
fabbionemak: i think so.. one step at a time and see where it fails11:02
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alphahow do I install mplayer?  I can't use "apt-get install mplayer" says couldn't find package.11:02
fabbionealpha: you need to add multiverse to your archive11:03
wezzeralpha: or compile it from sources11:03
membreyaalpha: what arch are you running?11:03
makwhat do you mean? how do i stop through it?11:03
wezzersee ubuntu forums for howto11:03
makstep11:03
geneo93alpha:  u need to tell it i586 or i68611:03
peppe185allora fabbione..11:03
membreyaor amd64 or x86_64 :P11:04
fabbionein english11:04
alphaumm... what's an AMD AthalonXP? i686?11:04
membreyak711:04
membreyamaybe k8 :|11:04
peppe185non conosco linglese fabbione11:04
membreyaalpha: cat /proc/version11:04
fabbionepeppe185: /j #ubuntu-it11:04
BleSSi need info about laptops, it's for a tool for auto configuration in live systems:  grep Name /proc/bus/input/devices|tr "\n" " "   - I need also, If you use acpi: 'ls -R /proc/acpi/' and to apm 'cat /proc/apm' (private message) Thx11:04
crimsunmario8723: lspci -v -> pastebin.ca, please11:04
fabbionepeppe185: e chiedi li'11:04
geneo93i68611:04
mario8723k11:05
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peppe185non ce nessuno fabbione11:05
GNAMauaua11:05
mario8723just gives me a list...?11:06
fabbionepeppe185: this is an english chan only.11:06
fabbionepeppe185: e' un canale solo per inglese11:06
fabbione(translating for the others)11:06
GNAM#ubuntu-it is the law11:06
munkihow do I set up the incomming ports for Gnome Bittorrent ?11:06
makfabbione, would '/bin/sh: gcc: command not found' have something to do with it?11:06
fabbionemak: eh perhaps :-)11:06
fabbionemak: apt-get install build-essential11:07
fabbioneor build-essentials11:07
fabbionei can never remember11:07
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mario8723crimsun: that gave me a list of possible commands11:07
makyou had it right the first time11:08
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makfabbione, I think it worked. I'll test it11:09
makthanks11:09
fabbionemak: no problem :-)11:09
crimsunmario8723: that was shorthand for "please send the output of lspci -v to http://pastebin.ca"11:09
mario8723sorry11:09
mario8723crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/735411:11
geneo93i cant wait till MS falls11:11
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michelmuerneris there somebody using a thinkpad t42 or t42p?11:12
mario8723geneo93: I can't tell you how many times a day I hear from people with Windows problems11:12
geneo93michelmuerner:  there was earlier11:12
mario8723Most of them are re-installs11:12
membreyamario8723: ..windows problems are easy to fix..don't use it11:12
mario8723hee hee11:12
mario8723Which is why I'm here:)11:13
michelmuernerhow can i check if there is the ati firegl t2 driver installed or not?11:13
geneo93mario8723:  i have 2 dell boxes sitting here with serious problems11:13
membreyagotta admin, I was a zealous MS fan..then I found Ubuntu :)11:13
mario8723I believe it11:13
mario8723Don't bother trying to call Dell support11:13
mario8723Unless you speak Hindu11:13
membreya:P11:13
membreyaor punjabi mario872311:13
membreyadon't mutually exclude them11:14
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mario8723exactly11:14
membreyaand the language is hindi :)11:14
geneo93hell i just cant believe dell would back  such crap11:14
mario8723Nor I11:14
rubenvthank god my dell support is just 150 km away from here :-)11:14
mario8723Going downhill they are11:14
mario8723It's going to wind up hurting them big-time in the end11:14
michelmuernerwho is buying dell?11:14
crimsunmario8723: I presume cat /proc/asound/cards returns "no cards"?11:15
mario8723"Sell Mortimer Sell!":)11:15
mario8723lemme check11:15
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geneo93not i i have an old MSI 694X i built myself11:15
mario8723Right you are11:15
mario8723--- no soundcards ---11:15
alphaShould I be using all these in my repository listings? http://www.pastebin.com/25484111:16
mario8723Please don't tell me that I'm out of luck with my onboard sound11:16
mario8723lol11:16
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membreyamario8723: what type of mobo is it ?11:17
geneo93alpha:  looks ok to me11:17
michelmuerneri've installed synaptic where can i find the entry in my menu?11:17
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scizzols11:17
scizzogah!11:17
mario8723Albatron PX865PE PRO II11:18
membreya:|11:18
membreyacome back here ompaulAFK ...coward!11:18
geneo93michelmuerner:  just do a sudo synaptic in terminal11:18
michelmuerneryeah i know but what is if i want a link on kde?11:19
crimsunmario8723: it may be "just" different enough that the driver won't work11:19
mario8723wonderful :(11:19
crimsunmario8723: will ask upstream. Sorry, can't give you an answer immediately.11:19
mario8723Not a prob, thanks for all of your help11:20
mario8723Could you do me a favor and email me with the result or tell me where I should email to?11:20
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gsuveghow can i boot into console mode (if gdm freeze my box) ?11:21
membreyaany way to see network tfr speed in kB?11:21
geneo93crimsun:  your still batting 49911:21
gsuvegmembreya: iptraf ?11:21
membreyaworks for me :)11:22
membreyathanks for that gsuveg :) awesome lil proggy11:22
membreyahmmm reiserfs seems to be coping better than I had thought :)11:23
gsuvegmembreya: yw11:23
membreyadata transfer over the network at 65000kbits, and my harddrive light is no longer constant like it was when it was FAT3211:23
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membreya65000 is a good speed over network right ? :P11:24
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alphaI've installed xmms via apt-get.  how do I add an icon to the toolbar to launch it?  Say, under Applications?11:27
membreyaalpha: it's already there11:27
membreyago to Applications > Sound and Video11:27
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alphamembreya, not listed there.11:28
LordGrunthi11:28
LordGrunthow to enable root account?11:28
spiralLordGrunt: see faq11:28
alphaLordGrunt, http://ubuntuguide.org/ see General Notes #6.  Or search within that document.11:29
niranLordGrunt: note that you don't actually have to enable the root account for normal use, so if there's something specific you're trying to do, might as well ask11:30
geneo93i just use terminal for root11:30
alphaI always get these errors... "E: postfix:  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1" and "E: postfix-tls:  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured" after synaptics, or apt-get.  How do I fix this?11:32
LordGruntniran, but even packages install require root pswd11:32
geneo93alpha:  apt-get -f install11:32
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geneo93LordGrunt:  just do a sudo passwd root11:33
niranLordGrunt: use sudo?11:33
alphageneo93, http://www.pastebin.com/254846 still didn't fix it.11:34
LordGrunti must admit this sucks a big time... distro intended to be user-friendly...11:35
niranLordGrunt: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root/view?searchterm=sudo11:35
niranLordGrunt: are you using synaptic to install packages? it's fairly straightforward11:35
LordGruntmeh, i dont use much anything now, just installed11:36
LordGruntits my first impression about it11:36
niranwarty or hoary?11:36
LordGruntwarty11:36
BROKEN_LADDERanyone know of a good place to by technology for people who live in California and don't want to pay the taxes like on newegg?11:36
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niranLordGrunt: go to the computer menu->administration->synaptic11:37
geneo93alpha:  are you trying to insrall hoay packages on warty11:37
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niranthat's the gui used for installing programs in ubuntu11:37
LordGruntthing is that i have to make *a lot* of changes to reach point what im used to. new kde, nvidia, etc11:37
BleSSi need info about laptops, it's for a tool for auto configuration in live systems:  grep Name /proc/bus/input/devices|grep -v keyboard|tr "\n" " "   - I need also, If you use apm 'cat /proc/apm' (private message) Thx11:37
alphageneo93, I shouldn't be.11:37
geneo93alpha:  you have all updates11:38
niranLordGrunt: if you need to do a lot of things as root in a terminal, i think "sudo -s" will give you a root terminal to work in11:38
alphageneo93, as fars as I can tell yes.  (synaptic, reload, mark all upgrades) (Software updates, system is up to date)11:39
alphageneo93, would a reboot do anything?11:40
geneo93hmm i dont know then11:40
geneo93oh yes by all means11:40
geneo93load new kernel11:40
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alpha'ight. brb.11:40
LordGruntniran, already got root to work :) next: 2 weeks of configurations and installs :(11:41
niranLordGrunt: what are you trying to do that takes so much extra work?11:41
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elTigreHi! I fried my kernel...11:41
elTigrehow can I definitely get back to the one ubuntu distributes/recommends?11:42
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hank_How do I run sh scripts in console?11:42
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niranelTigre: shouldn't the old ubuntu kernel still be in your grub menu on boot?11:42
niranhank_: prefix the name of the script with "./"11:43
LordGruntniran, its just lack of knowledge of new system with need for lots of new things to do. that makes it lenghty process...11:43
elTigreyeah it should11:43
scizzohank_: chmod +x file.sh11:43
elTigrebut it won't start11:43
niranoh yeah11:43
scizzohank_: ./file.sh11:43
nirando what scizzo said11:43
elTigreit complains that it cannot mount my root partition11:43
elTigreI can only start an old kernel, 2.6.811:43
niranhoary or warty?11:44
hank_awesome, thankyou11:44
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elTigrehoary11:44
niranhmm...11:45
scizzotime to train...later all11:45
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A-L-P-H-Ageneo93, well the xmms icon now appears.  But the postfix error still comes up.11:45
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elTigrewould installing a kernel via synaptic adapt the menu.lst automatically?11:46
niranyeah, but don't you already have the hoary kernel installed?11:46
membreyaelTigre: yes11:46
niranall it should take is a dpkg-reconfigure11:46
geneo93hmmm did you by chance tell synaptic yes when you didn't have all the files for something11:47
elTigreno11:47
elTigrebut I'll try to update the kernel now.. there's a new minor version now11:47
A-L-P-H-Ageneo93, uhh... mayhaps... if so, how do I fix it?11:48
geneo93well i'm off to bed11:49
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LordGruntawww, there is no mc package??? argh...11:49
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LordGruntnot saying anything about kde. not listed anywhere. im just doomed to use gnome?11:50
niranLordGrunt: you need to add the universe repository11:50
kreigerkubuntu exists11:50
niranin synaptic, go to the settings menu11:50
niranthen repositories11:51
niranand add universe to the sources11:51
elTigreno, you're not doomed, you're blessed to use gnome11:51
niranif you're using hoary then it's the "community maintained" one11:51
kreigerhttps://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Kubuntu11:51
kreigerthere11:51
OrangeSlicesince when is kde > gnome?11:51
OrangeSlice:(11:51
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kreigerit's not11:51
nirandude, who cares11:52
kreigere17 beats them all11:52
LordGruntsay whatever about kde, im just used to it too much11:52
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MyrttiOrangeSlice: opinions are like a**holes. Everyone has one, and other peoples a**holes stink.11:52
OrangeSliceI would laugh, but I've heard that one before :p11:52
looksausis anyone here successfully using tomboy on powerpc?11:52
Myrttiie. Some like mothers, some daughters11:52
LordGruntthus i know it much better11:52
OrangeSliceand, it's 3am.11:52
niranOrangeSlice: ah, the joys of PST11:53
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nirani swear my internal clock is set to japan time.11:53
OrangeSliceI set mine to GMT for a while11:53
MyrttiI swear my internal clock is set to Pluto time11:53
looksausii  tomboy         0.3.1-0ubuntu5 desktop note taking program, with Wiki style11:53
OrangeSlicethat screwed me up a lot11:53
MyrttiI'd like to sleep alday11:53
Myrtti+l11:53
looksaustomboy comes from universe, so I don't think I can file a bug, right?11:54
looksausis there any way I can get help then, apart from bugging the Debian people11:54
niranwhat's your bug?11:54
looksauswho supposedly won't be too happy with an Ubuntu user complaining11:55
nirani don't think debian proper has that package11:55
eb0xsomeone not be happy about a user complaining?11:55
eb0xnot on freenode!11:55
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niranMyrtti: pluto's length of day is 6.39 earth days. it'd probably suck to be on pluto time11:56
Myrttimojn ikaro11:56
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csjhello, could ask that take screenshot of gnome belong to which package?11:57
nirani think gnome-panel11:58
niranthe name of the program is gnome-panel-screenshot, so that'd make sense11:59
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niranyeah, i'm right12:00
csjniran: hmm, I have install gnome-panel, but I sue hostkey to take screenshot but it saied..: wait12:00
niranoh. i don't know anything about that12:00
johsomy 'vv' button doesn't vvork? you knovv, the double v and... help?12:01
niranlol12:01
looksaushm, apt-cache show tomboy reports the ubuntu-users mailing list as the place to send bug reports12:01
looksausbut the installation report I sent there never got through moderation12:01
niranlooksaus: that wpuld make sense, as it's not supported by ubuntu or debian and doesn't have a bugzilla of it's own12:01
looksauseven if I did exactly what was in the manual12:01
niransubscribe12:01
looksausniran, I don't feel like subscribing... why should I12:02
niranbut anyway, what's the bug?12:02
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niranyour mails get through mor eeasily12:02
johsosomebody? it doesn't help to logout and login either...12:02
looksausniran, there something wrong at the moderation side12:02
csjthese is what happened when I use hotkey to take screenshot :12:02
csjhttp://csj.homelinux.org/gallery/album03/error12:02
looksausor there was just this email being deleted12:02
niranjohso: i have no clue what would cause that12:03
looksausniran, the bug: the panel applet comes up just fine12:03
looksausbut on whatever note I try to access, tomboy just crashes12:03
niranah12:03
niranthe problem is libgtk-cil12:03
looksausit gives me very little information12:03
johsoallright :/ it's very annoying though ;)12:03
niranyou need to force it to be version 1.0.212:03
niranor something12:03
niranit should be at 1.0.4 right now12:04
nirandowngrade it.12:04
looksausis this a known mono problem with hoary?12:04
nirannot sure12:04
looksausbecause I have no problem with the same tomboy on x86...12:04
hank_I'm trying to 'make' this prog but having no luck, when it asks for the kernal source, it seeks it here, /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/build" where should it be looking?12:05
nirani'm on x86 and i have that problem12:05
nirani think it's more of a tomboy problem12:05
niranbut i haven't really looked into it12:05
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nirani guess i can shoot off an email to the tomboy list for you since i'm already subscribed12:06
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looksausshould I dpkg -l the exact dependencies I have installed?12:06
johsovvell, I've got a more serious problem - I can't run anything in fullscreen... if I do it in mplayer the picture stays the same size, just vvith black around it and vvvith games i can choose the biggest resolution possible, and my desktop vvill cover the rest...? (I run 1400x1050, biggest resolution in games=1280x1024)12:07
looksausniran, just trying to get this thing solved here...12:07
niranthe way i did it was with synaptic12:07
BleSSsomebody with laptop using apm?12:07
niranclick the package, go to package menu and click force version12:08
niranthe old version should be in there12:08
niranif not, i think you might have to add the warty sources in12:08
looksausah, you still think this libgtk-cil 1.02 thing is the problem...12:08
niranoh12:08
niranit is12:08
looksaussorry, misunderstood that12:08
niranwell, downgrading it will fix it for sure12:08
nirani dunno what the bigger issue is12:08
looksaushm, nice...12:08
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niranwait12:10
nirandon't downgrade it yet12:10
niranhmm...12:10
looksausno, I won't if I can do it in a cleaner way...12:10
gillesDuring the boot in hoary, the part "Configuring network interfaces..." lasts about 2 min, what can I do to speed it up ?12:10
looksausgilles, make sure you actually have a network connection12:10
nirangilles: if you don't have a connection, press ctrl-c to stop it and continue the boot process12:11
looksausor press Ctrl-C to interrupt the establishment of the network connnection and manually bring it up later12:11
gilleslooksaus: yes, I do, with my wifi card, it works very well12:11
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gillesactually, I think it comes from my wifi card12:12
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looksausniran, what were you trying to say?12:12
looksaus(on tomboy, libgtk-cil)12:12
gillesit used to be fast on debian, but at that time I had installed a special driver12:12
niranwell12:12
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niranit turns out i have libgtk-cil 1.0.412:12
niranand my tomboy is working12:12
nirani don't know when that heppened12:13
niranhappened*12:13
niranand it turns out that i have some old ubuntu backports packages installed12:13
niranbah.12:13
looksaushm, so you don't know either...12:14
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niranas of now, no12:14
looksaushm, bug report to ubuntu-users it will be then12:14
niranlet me clean up the backports and restart tomboy12:14
niranok12:15
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looksausand let's hope it gets accepted this time12:15
looksausI really don't want to be a member of yet another high volume mailing list12:15
niranmake a new email account for it12:15
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siheny012:16
sihencan someone please help me out with mounting my SATA drive, I did a install for a mate last nigth and mounted his SATA drives fine, there is somethingwrong on my system12:16
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keisashankarahello out there12:17
peter_hi all12:17
keisashankaraI am wondering is anyone running iDESK OR dfm FOR ICONS?12:17
akrais Evolution any good for IMAP? i.e. does it have a spam filter and support IDLE ?12:18
sihencan anyone help?12:18
peter_lol12:18
keisashankaraI just need a little information as to weather DFM is good for slow pc's (or at least better then Idesk)12:18
keisashankarause thunderbird it has a good spam filter12:19
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akrakeisashankara, you mean that evo's isn't as good ?12:20
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keisashankaraAll I know is that thunderbird loads faster and gives me less grief12:20
Myrttisome think it's too big and loads slowly and has features that regular user doesn't really need12:21
Myrttievolution, I mean12:21
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sihenthunderbird rox12:21
MyrttiI dislike even the logo and icons12:21
deFryskmost suites are a bit slow12:21
niranthe only reason i use evolution is for it's intergration into the desktop12:21
niranlike the stuff with the calendar12:22
niranand i'm working on a project with libecal12:22
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rebell712:22
niranbut akra, to answer your question, evolution does support imap and have a spam filter12:23
keisashankaraAnyone out there using icewm or xfce4?12:23
keisashankaraif so how did you get ur icons?12:23
sihencan anyone possible help me with my SATA mounting issue?12:23
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kerframilkeisashankara: loads faster? different story here12:25
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keisashankaraWhat ever works for people. I personally think that we should ditch gnome and go for Icewm12:26
kerframilkeisashankara: off you go then ;)12:26
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kerframilmind you, I am somewhat concerned at the lacklustre performance of the more complete DEs these days12:27
kerframilI can get away with gnome or KDE on my (not overly powerful) box but only on account of having 384M RAM12:27
keisashankaraIve done so and it rocks.12:28
keisashankaraTo each their own12:28
kerframilyes12:28
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LordGruntis it better to use ndivia drivers provided by ubuntu or those from official nvidia site?12:29
BleSSsomebody with laptop using apm? I need /proc/apm to check the battery 'grep -i battery /proc/apm'12:29
niranLordGrunt: if the ubuntu drivers work well enough, it's nice to have Free drivers12:29
niranbut if they don't, go ahead and install the nvidia ones12:30
kerframilLordGrunt: my experience thus far is that the new ones are more stable (and resolve compatibility issues with newer kernels including 2.6.11), but they're not packaged for Ubuntu as far as I know12:30
niraninstall tuxracer or neverball12:30
kerframilLordGrunt: I'm talking about the non-open drivers here12:30
niranand try out the 3D support12:30
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LordGruntafaik official driverss are free :)12:31
kerframilLordGrunt: yes, just not in the FLOSS sense ;)12:31
niranbut not Free12:31
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niranif nvidia dropped linux support tomorrow12:31
niranwe'd be screwed with newer kernel versions12:32
niranbecause they don't maintain ABI12:32
kerframilLordGrunt: you can get 1.0.6629 packaged12:32
niranso the Free drivers are important12:32
kerframilLordGrunt: if you want 1.0.7167 then get them from nvidia's site12:32
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kerframilniran: we know that, but in the meantime some folks like to use the fancy 3D acceleration features that they coughed up for ;)12:33
kerframilniran: I agree that it's an important issue12:33
niranyeah, i still use the proprietary ATI drivers12:33
niranat the moment12:33
niranbut i havent been able to test out the open ones12:34
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niranDRI issues and i havent restarted in a while12:34
kerframilniran: look at it another way, it's implausible that they will got open-source with the driver core and we should consider ourselves lucky that they make a considerable effort to track new kernel releases12:34
LordGruntit doesnt really matter how new they are, i just want it to work. so i can stick with ubuntu package, but i need acceleration. do thesee provide it?12:34
niranyeah i know that12:34
dstevenskeisashankara: with you on that ditch  gnome for icewm or icewm-lite12:34
nirani'm glad12:34
kerframilLordGrunt: yes, they do - you may need to add a repo to get them12:34
trygvebwHi, what is cspi called on ubuntu?12:34
keisashankaradstevens I here you there12:34
LordGruntim just ensuring b4 installing anything12:35
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kerframilLordGrunt: it's in "restricted" for hoary12:35
keisashankaradstevens Do you know anything about desktop icons? I have only been able to get dfm going so far12:35
kerframilLordGrunt: look for "nvidia-glx"12:36
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mjrkerframil, look at it another way; screw their driver, if they'd just document their hardware so that free drivers could be made (sure, they'd probably be slower for quite a while, *shrug*)12:36
niranmjr: ha, that'd be the best12:36
dstevenskeisashankara, sorry mate only use icewm-lite, no desktop icony things.12:36
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LordGruntk, glx = 3d and kernel=normal?12:36
niranbut we all know that's not happening12:36
kerframilmjr: I know, but unfortunately this world isn't ideal, and isn't going to be any time soon12:36
_axelso if nvidia is broken in 2.6.10, will i be able to use an older kernel like 2.6.8.1 and still get hoary working?12:36
keisashankaradstevens No worries. I just need to make things easy12:36
scandiumwait half a year and hope that TechSource's open graphics card will be a success ;)12:37
kerframil_axel: yes, and btw the new drivers work perfectly in 2.6.1112:37
_axelkerframil: ah12:37
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_axelkerframil: and are the new drivers in hoary?12:37
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_axelkerframil: or i have to install by hand?12:37
kerframil_axel: no, you have to install by hand12:37
dstevenshaving file on the 'desktop' really slows me down and so much entropy to my workflow  so i dont really bother with desktop stuff.12:37
kerframil_axel: unless I've missed something - Daniel Stone packaged the previous versions12:38
_axelkerframil: k12:38
kerframil_axel: I'm very new to Ubuntu, but that might be the first thing I learn to do (package the newer drivers)12:38
_axeli better download the drivers now before im stuck with a non-working X ;)12:38
kerframil_axel: yeah - well if you do screw up just tell grub to boot your kernel with "single"12:39
ghitahello!I have instaled dbus-1 from an untrusted source and something whent wrong so now i'm trying to uninstall it,but i can't because it has a lot of dependencies.How can i remove dbus-1 with out it's dependencies?Please help!12:39
keisashankaraDstevens Cool, I hear ya, I am just fine tuning a system for a computer recycling project. It basically has to be simple enough that even Jessica simpson can use it12:39
ghitahow can i remove a package without it's dependencies?12:40
niranghita: you just remove it12:40
niranthe dependcies should stay12:41
niranthings that depend on it will go though12:41
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dstevensyup icewm is the way to go, installed ltsp with ice as default wm, at senior school 1550 students they loved icewm, you should have no troubles with your choice of WM,  damn even the 'WM for Window Manager sound terroistic'12:42
ghitaniran:when i try to uninstall it says that 282 MB will be freed so i don't think the dependencies will stay:)