[12:00] <ompaul> Rob_Linux_Newb, what is the question
[12:00] <Rob_Linux_Newb> I'm trying to install Kmuddy, I did ./configure and at the end it tells me: checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[12:00] <laggerzero> http://wallpapers.neo5k.de/content/images/wallpapers/sco/sco-001-1024x768.jpg
[12:00] <Rob_Linux_Newb> And that confused the heck outta me
[12:00] <Quest-Master> Rob_Linux_Newb: sudo apt-get install x-window-system-dev
[12:01] <koen_> when i minimize a window, it has some sort of graphic flow which leads it down, is it possible to instantly minimize ?
[12:01] <da5id> good night @ll
[12:01] <Broncho> anyone know why when I connect to my ssh server from windows(using putty and x-11 forwarding is set) I type xterm and it errors out
[12:01] <Rob_Linux_Newb> Is that a pretty huge file?
[12:03] <Quest-Master> Rob_Linux_Newb: yes.
[12:03] <eb0x> I am trying to set xchat up to use identd, does Ubuntu come with an identd server already installed?
[12:03] <eb0x> If not, what can I use?
[12:03] <Rob_Linux_Newb> What would the approximate size be? I'm on a dial-up connection, so I may need to download later
[12:04] <Quest-Master> Oh
[12:04] <Quest-Master> It's gigantic
[12:04] <Quest-Master> :P
[12:04] <Rob_Linux_Newb> shoot
[12:04] <Broncho> everythingt is gigantic to dialup
[12:04] <laggerzero> dialup, those were the days
[12:04] <warthawg> can i just add debian repositories to get missing apps?  like all the ham software?
[12:04] <thoreauputic> Rob_Linux_Newb: I installed it on dialup, but yes, it's a rather large download
[12:04] <Rob_Linux_Newb> I'd have high-speed if it was available in my area.  One of the downfalls to living in the sticks I guess
[12:05] <Rob_Linux_Newb> Probably a couple hour download?
[12:05] <laggerzero> what are you downloading?
[12:05] <Quest-Master> x-windows-system-dev
[12:05] <Quest-Master> *window
[12:05] <Rob_Linux_Newb> 2 hours 45 minutes...*groans*
[12:05] <laggerzero> how big is it?
[12:05] <thoreauputic> Rob_Linux_Newb: when you apt-get it, you'll see the time - just do ctrl-c to escape, if it looks too long
[12:05] <Quest-Master> It's a pretty massive package, especially if on dial-up.
[12:06] <Rob_Linux_Newb> Hey, thanks for the help guys.  Most people just ignore me, kinda discourageing to newbs
[12:06] <spades> leave it downloading overnight
[12:06] <Quest-Master> Hehe.
[12:06] <pap> saluton, kamaradojn
[12:06] <thoreauputic> Rob_Linux_Newb: we'll ignore you next time :P  mwuhahaha!
[12:06] <L8Gr8> Hi everybody!
[12:07] <laggerzero> hello
[12:07] <spades> hi dr nick
[12:07] <laggerzero> jeez. a lot of people just joined
[12:07] <confrey> hi everybody
[12:07] <L8Gr8> I just started with Ubuntu Warty Warhog and I love it.  Just one problem, though.  Everytime I reboot, I lose my symlink to /dev/dvd :(
[12:07] <ompaul> laggerzero, it is getting more popular
[12:08] <laggerzero> if xchat was coded in C++ i would make a script to repond to every hello
[12:08] <Draal> hello
[12:08] <Draal> How do I use apt-get?
[12:08] <spades> man apt-get
[12:08] <thoreauputic> Draal: how long have you got?
[12:08] <ompaul> Draal, apt-get install somepackage
[12:08] <confrey> I have hoary 5.04 rc on my laptop; I can't resume after sleep; the power button does a complete shutdown; waht can I do?
[12:08] <laggerzero> RTFM
[12:08] <ompaul> thoreauputic,  what was that I said to you eariler
[12:08] <cocol> spades, http://ubuntuguide.org
[12:08] <farruinn> Draal: check out www.debian.org/doc and see the APT Howto
[12:09] <L8Gr8> make sure you have your repository setup in /etc/apt/sources.list  then type "apt-get update"  then "apt-get install <package name>"
[12:09] <ompaul>  --> apt-get install apt-doc apt-howto <-- kinda helps there
[12:09] <farruinn> Draal: it's a very good howto, probably easier than reading through a man page
[12:09] <spades> cocol: nick misfire
[12:09] <thoreauputic> ompaul: in this case I can't see any mitigation...
[12:09] <laggerzero> confrey, suspend/resume is not completely supported yet
[12:09] <laggerzero> it doesn't work on mine
[12:09] <cocol> spades,???
[12:09] <ompaul> thoreauputic, okay
[12:09] <L8Gr8> anybody else losing their symlinks on reboot?
[12:09] <spades> cocol; i wasnt requesting help
[12:09] <Draal> Thank you Farruinn
[12:10] <thoreauputic> ompaul: I was referring to laggerzero, sorry :)
[12:10] <ompaul> thoreauputic, np :)
[12:10] <laggerzero> heh
[12:10] <laggerzero> what was the question?
[12:10] <farruinn> anyone using mac-on-linux? it's not working with kernel 2.6.10-4 for me
[12:10] <cocol> sorry it was Draal
[12:10] <ompaul> laggerzero, rtfm
[12:10] <thoreauputic> laggerzero: your ubuntu points just took a dive ;)
[12:10] <ompaul> hahaha
[12:10] <nicedreams> sup with the hoary preview install?  I go back to debian for a week and decide to install ubuntu again and now my sound doesn't work.  I've never had a sound issue before with ubuntu
[12:10] <laggerzero> heh
[12:11] <eclipse> can you use grub with JFS filesystem?
[12:11] <ompaul> L8Gr8, that is strange
[12:11] <thoreauputic> farruinn: I have it on my iBook G4, but getting it working wasn't.... err... trivial
[12:11] <Brunellus_> anybody using samba on warty?
[12:11] <confrey> laggerzero, ok, I'll wait for it; another thing : how can I manage cpu's frequency? powernowd works automatically, but I'd like to set cpufreq to 400 Mhz, to silent the fan (as in windows), what can I do?
[12:11] <L8Gr8> Thanks for responding. Yeah it is weird.  I've never had symlinks disappear before. Then again this is my first debian-based distro.
[12:11] <ompaul> L8Gr8,  the symbolic link is not there that I find starnge
[12:11] <farruinn> thoreauputic: it's working kernel 2.6.10-4?
[12:12] <laggerzero> i think you need a ppc kernel to get it working on a mac
[12:12] <gilles> hi
[12:12] <ompaul> L8Gr8, that is no reason to assume that they should pop off
[12:12] <Brunellus_> I'm trying to print over the network
[12:12] <thoreauputic> farruinn: oh, no, sorry this is on warty 2.6.8
[12:12] <thoreauputic> kernel
[12:12] <farruinn> thoreauputic: ah, ok, that worked fine for me =)
[12:12] <thoreauputic> right
[12:12] <baikonur> hi
[12:12] <laggerzero> i dont' know how to do that confrey. i wish i did
[12:12] <laggerzero> i'd use that
[12:13] <farruinn> I think there's something wrong with the 2.6.10-4 headers maybe
[12:13] <thoreauputic> farruinn: I had to do a bit of googling and reading to get it going
[12:13] <farruinn> laggerzero: the *-powerpc was implicit
[12:13] <hone> what's the best kernel to use for hte pentium m?
[12:13] <thoreauputic> farruinn: you've seen the wiki howto on mol?
[12:13] <baikonur> there is no netinstall mechanism included in the live-cd, is it? unless there is one this was a rather wasted cd-r :-/
[12:14] <hone> the one for the 686?
[12:14] <farruinn> thoreauputic: yeah, I installed following that wiki both for my warty install and now hoary, but I'm getting that error now
[12:14] <eclipse> Anyone knows if you could use grub with JFS filesystem?
[12:14] <Draal> Hone - The latest you have available. 2.6 and up has excellent Centrino support.
[12:14] <Marble2> how come sometimes in hoary a window will become all curvy
[12:14] <hone> Draal, but for the kernel-image
[12:15] <Marble2> it doesn't show up in a screenshot, and a restart of the application fixes it
[12:15] <hone> Draal, there's specific ones for k7 and stuff right?
[12:15] <farruinn> thoreauputic: what do you have in /usr/lib/mol/modules?
[12:15] <gilles> I don't know what wrong did I do, but when I try to connect to my server with 192.168.0.1, it respond "You don't have permission to access / on this server.". What can I do ?
[12:15] <Marble2> it's really weird
[12:15] <Marble2> anyone else get this?
[12:15] <thoreauputic> farruinn: this is outdated, but I found it useful >> http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~ctwardy/mol-debian-benh.html
[12:15] <Draal> Alright.. I know what programs I want to install, but how do I access Apt Get to get them?
[12:15] <Draal> I just need to know the command..
[12:15] <Draal> Nothing special.
[12:15] <eclipse> Anyone knows if you could use grub with JFS filesystem?
[12:16] <thoreauputic> farruinn: sorry, my iBook is elsewhere at the moment or I'd look for you
[12:16] <eclipse> please i need the answer
[12:16] <knucks> GUYS. HELP
[12:16] <farruinn> thoreauputic: ok, not a problem, I was just going to see if that was the bug
[12:16] <knucks> I no longer have my X working
[12:16] <knucks> no GUI
[12:16] <hone> Draal, apt-get install <package>
[12:16] <Quest-Master> knucks: sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg
[12:16] <cocol> Draal, sudo apt-get install package
[12:16] <Brunellus_> grr. I can see my print server in the "network" bit of nautilus
[12:16] <Brunellus_> but I can't seem to get it to print
[12:17] <knucks> i installed the nvidia package thats on the howto guide..
[12:17] <Draal> Thank you
[12:17] <knucks> and now i get "no screens found"
[12:17] <Draal> I shouldn't have any problems installing XFCE, should I/
[12:17] <Draal> ?
[12:18] <koen_> what is the standard root password
[12:18] <thoreauputic> Draal: for more info, sudo apt-get install apt-howto
[12:18] <knucks> and my xorg.conf files and xf86config files dont exist
[12:18] <Brunellus_> h'mm.
[12:18] <spades> koen_: no root pass, set one with sudo passwd root
[12:18] <savban> how do i change my desktop from like gnme to kde
[12:18] <koen_> ok
[12:18] <savban> when i log in
[12:18] <koen_> thanks
[12:18] <L8Gr8> Anybody familiar with how symlinks work. My symlink to /dev/dvd is gone on every reboot
[12:18] <Riddell> savban: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingKDE
[12:18] <thoreauputic> Draal: xfce 4 is in the repositories
[12:19] <djp> koen: there isn't one by default. use sudo before a command that needs root priviliges
[12:19] <farruinn> thoreauputic: are you using a benh kernel?
[12:19] <djp> oops! bit late with that answer me thinks!
[12:19] <knucks> still get no screens found..
[12:20] <thoreauputic> farruinn: no, I think the benh patch is standard in ubuntu-ppc though
[12:20] <knucks> how do i rollback to the default packages for displays that came w/ hoary?
[12:20] <chrissturm> hey guys! i get this error at x server startup: (EE) fglrx(0): [agp]  unable to acquire AGP, error "xf86_ENOMEM"
[12:20] <chrissturm> (EE) fglrx(0): cannot init AGP
[12:20] <chrissturm> 
[12:20] <Brunellus_> can someone point me to a network printing howto?
[12:20] <knucks> I still get No Screens Found
[12:20] <thoreauputic> farruinn: at least, that's my assumption
[12:20] <knucks> help
[12:20] <farruinn> thoreauputic: hm, could be
[12:21] <JDahl> knucks, I doubt that a "Windows rollback" is not your solution
[12:21] <farruinn> knucks: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-[xorg if hoary | xfree86 if warty] 
[12:21] <JDahl> knucks, it's not the solution, I mean
[12:21] <thoreauputic> farruinn: some of the stuff on the monash link wsa useful - like dnsmasq etc and the /etc/init.d additions to files
[12:21] <thoreauputic> *was
[12:21] <farruinn> thoreauputic: ok, I'll hang onto the link for when that time comes
[12:21] <knucks> how do i get it back working?
[12:22] <farruinn> thoreauputic: I'm going to try building the modules with build-kpkg
[12:22] <baikonur> what ubuntu should I use if I install a new ubuntu system?
[12:22] <farruinn> s/build/make
[12:22] <thoreauputic> farruinn: I kind of cobbled it together from that site and the wiki
[12:22] <speedy2782> why does everyone hate microsoft
[12:22] <speedy2782> it seems a lot easier to use
[12:22] <Draal> Why DOESN'T everyone hate microsoft?
[12:22] <thoreauputic> speedy2782: nice try
[12:22] <Draal> Because we enjoy chaotic messes that make little to no sense.
[12:22] <speedy2782> oh, and my wifi card works very easily under there
[12:22] <laggerzero> they haven't made any of their stuff
[12:22] <knucks> ok ill go try
[12:22] <Chipzz> Draal: because there are microsoft employees? ;)
[12:23] <laggerzero> everything that is microsoft is stolent, or baught
[12:23] <knucks> see what happened is tis"
[12:23] <Blissex> Draal: there are many Microsoft shareholders, employees and resellers, they usually love Microsoft
[12:23] <laggerzero> the task bar is still coded from osx
[12:23] <JDahl> speedy2782, we dont hate Microsoft... but why does every new linux user complain about linux not being Windows??
[12:23] <laggerzero> or mac os
[12:23] <airox> Hi, can I delete the symlinks in /etc/rc2.d for items like lvm and raid if I don't use them ??
[12:23] <knucks> I installed the nvidia-glx package as stated on the newbie guide in ubuntuforums
[12:23] <Brunellus_> can you lot tone down the trollbaiting for a second?
[12:23] <knucks> before it everything was fine
[12:23] <Draal> How does one enable Unverise under Apt-Get in Ubuntu?
[12:23] <knucks> and then i installed it and x11 disappared and i started getting "no screens found"
[12:23] <laggerzero> Brunellus_, type in nvidia-glx-config enable
[12:23] <laggerzero> as root
[12:23] <Brunellus_> that's not m.e
[12:23] <thoreauputic> Draal: please read http://ubuntuguide.org
[12:23] <rattboi> how do I see the startup script messages?
[12:24] <laggerzero> err knucks
[12:24] <membreya> im impressed, the new kernel (2.6.11)+ the new nvidia drivers gives me an extra 100fps in glxgears
[12:24] <Brunellus_> laggerzero:  my graphics are running fine, thanks.  I can't get my printer going
[12:24] <rattboi> I know dmesg shows startup kernel messages, but what about stuff from the RC scripts?
[12:24] <airox> Draal: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[12:24] <laggerzero> is the 2.6.11 kernel worth it?
[12:24] <thully> Does anyone know how much iPod functionality Rhythmbox has?  I sawthe "iPod" icon in Rhythmbox and wondered...
[12:24] <Draal> Thanks
[12:24] <Quest-Master> rofl @ speedy2782
[12:24] <airox> Draal: The site I gave you is very handy.
[12:24] <baikonur> is it possible to netinstall ubuntu with a floppy or so?
[12:24] <membreya> im running hoary laggerzero .. I like the latest 'n greatest :P
[12:25] <laggerzero> i'm running hoary aswell
[12:25] <L8Gr8> Thank you :)
[12:25] <laggerzero> it has 2.6.10
[12:25] <airox> bleeding edge ...
[12:25] <L8Gr8> anybody know why symlinks should disappear on reboot?
[12:25] <Brunellus_> arse.
[12:25] <Draal> $ sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:25] <Marble2> will using a low screen hertz rate hurt anything?
[12:25] <Draal> oops
[12:25] <laggerzero> installing it now
[12:25] <Brunellus_> why is it that I can "see" my printserver in the "network"
[12:26] <rezman> has anyone gotten linksys wireless g working
[12:26] <Brunellus_> and I can't *print* to that same printserver?!
[12:26] <airox> Can I delete some symlinks in the runlevels if I don't use LVM and RAID ???
[12:26] <thoreauputic> Draal: you're on the right track :)
[12:26] <djp> Marble2: only your eyes! ;)
[12:26] <Marble2> it will?
[12:26] <airox> rezman: yes.
[12:26] <farruinn> Brunellus_: probably because the network place uses a different protocol than cups
[12:26] <munki> has anybody got the Wireless Belkin 7010 working ?
[12:26] <farruinn> Brunellus_: or whatever your print server is
[12:26] <Brunellus_> farruinn:  the printserver is SMB
[12:26] <Brunellus_> and I'm trying to configure it as an SMB printer
[12:26] <rezman> airox: what do i need to get it working
[12:26] <farruinn> Brunellus_: right, but you don't print via smb
[12:27] <Brunellus_> this is confusing.
[12:27] <membreya> hmmm, can you blacklist a module that starts in the kernel and not as a seperate module?
[12:27] <Marble2> running it at 75 distorts windows in ubuntu at 1280x1024
[12:27] <Brunellus_> how do I get it up, then?
[12:27] <Marble2> but running at 60 fixes it
[12:27] <airox> rezman: look if there are drivers, and find some guide to install them.
[12:27] <Marble2> will it actually mess up my eyes?
[12:27] <airox> rezman: lspci displays it ?
[12:27] <knucks> im trying to reconfigure x11 right now..
[12:27] <chrissturm> does the -27 kernel have problems with the fglrx driver?
[12:27] <knucks> what do i put as my cards bus identifier? its an agp card
[12:27] <rezman> its displayed in gnomes device manager
[12:28] <thoreauputic> chrissturm: is there a kernel that doesn't? :/
[12:28] <djp> Marble2: i am using 1024x768 @ 75hz, 60hz is a real strain on the eys if you are looking at amnitor for a long period of time
[12:28] <farruinn> Brunellus_: maybe I'm wrong, but last I knew smb was for filesharing, not printing
[12:28] <Marble2> okay, I'm back at 75
[12:28] <Marble2> but it's weird.. the corners of my monitor seem kinda wavey after a little bit
[12:29] <Marble2> I just started noticing it after I upgraded to hoary
[12:29] <knucks> what do i put for my cards bus identifier?
[12:29] <djp> Marble2: which, as you can tell from my spelling, i have been doing for far too long today!
[12:29] <farruinn> knucks: it doesn't have a default?
[12:29] <knucks> i need to set it up through the x11 reconfiguration setup thing
[12:29] <agabus> i need help please mounting a secondary hard-drive of mine formatted with fat32 please
[12:29] <knucks> default is PCI:1:0:0
[12:29] <Brunellus_> farruinn, great.  now I'm all confused.
[12:29] <Brunellus_> I'm reduced to trying menu-options at random
[12:29] <farruinn> Brunellus_: this server is a windows box?
[12:30] <agabus> anyone?
[12:30] <farruinn> knucks: I would go with that - it's going to be different depending on your motherboard methinks
[12:30] <djp> Marble2: you may need to lower your resolution to use 75hz. i know i do. any higher than 1024x768 and i have to lower the hertz
[12:30] <airox> agabus: mount -t vfat /dev/hdaX /media/fat32
[12:30] <airox> ?
[12:30] <airox> agabus: Or put a line in fstab for it.
[12:30] <airox> agabus: Then it will be mounted at startup.
[12:30] <djp> Marble2: that is a hardware issue. my monitor is pushed to the limit.
[12:31] <Marble2> that sucks
[12:31] <membreya> can you blacklist a module that starts in the kernel and not as a seperate module?
[12:31] <agabus> airox - thanks, ill try it and then report back
[12:31] <farruinn> membreya: as in it's listed in the initrd.img?
[12:31] <airox> agabus: ok.
[12:31] <djp> Marble2: it's ok for me. i am quite hapy with my 1024x768@75hz.
[12:32] <membreya> farruinn: my system is currently using the intel_agp and I want it to use nvagp
[12:32] <membreya> my dmesg has NVRM: not using NVAGP, an AGPGART backend is loaded!
[12:32] <agabus> airox - do i need to
[12:32] <agabus> sudo to mount the hdd?
[12:33] <farruinn> membreya: sorry, I don't have nvidia
[12:33] <airox> agabus: yes, in ubuntu you have to.
[12:33] <airox> agabus: If a normal user could do it then it would be bad, would it ?
[12:33] <eb0x> I need help with my sound.... my sound card is inside my computer, but for some reason I can't play sound files... will somebody help me, please?
[12:33] <hone> airox, can't you make it user mountable in fstab?
[12:33] <airox> maybe
[12:34] <hone> airox, under options, just put user
[12:34] <mdblitz1> ayep, thats what I was going to say
[12:34] <airox> hone: yep.
[12:34] <inner_> hello friends.  Is there any sound problem with Hoary today?  HAving problems with sound quality. (not artifacts, just lack of bass)
[12:34] <eb0x> inner_: I can't even get my sound to work at all.. did you have to do anything to enable it?
[12:34] <agabus> how do iu find out what hd? is my secondary hdd
[12:35] <eb0x> When I go to open volume control, I get "No volume control elements and/or devices found."
[12:35] <inner_> nope, nothing.  It was working perfectly, but something went wrong after last night updates.
[12:35] <Slackman> hi guys, quick question. When i shut the lid of my ibook, it the light turns off but it doesn't actually sleep
[12:35] <airox> agabus: You should know it :)
[12:35] <mdblitz1> eb0x: make sure linux supports your sound card
[12:35] <airox> agabus: but you can check with cfdisk
[12:35] <thoreauputic> agabus: probably hdb , but try sudo fdisk -l
[12:35] <airox> agabus: or check which devices there are available in /dev
[12:35] <djp> oh well, time for my bed... night all
[12:36] <mdblitz1> night
[12:36] <airox> nigh djp
[12:36] <eb0x> mdblitz1: How do I make sure of that?
[12:36] <agabus> yeh its hdb
[12:36] <knucks> it tells me that my xserver package may not be isntalled correctly
[12:36] <knucks> because i cant run nvidia-glx-config
[12:36] <eb0x> mdblitz1: I have a Creative SoundBlaster Live! sound card
[12:36] <knucks> tells me the xorg.conf files are missing
[12:36] <agabus> airox - mount: /dev/hdb already mounted or /media/fat32 busy
[12:36] <inner_> I am a professional musician, I do sound editing with Ubuntu Linux, it was working perfectly friends.  But sudenly something went wrong with sound quality.  OSS and ALSA servers work fine but...
[12:36] <knucks> and whjen i try to view them, they are empty
[12:36] <mdblitz1> go to google and search for a hardware conpatibity list
[12:36] <knucks> someone, PLEASE help
[12:36] <hone> inner_, youcheck alsamier?
[12:36] <thully> Is there anybody using an iPod on Linux?  If so, what software do you use?  Does Rhythmbox work well?  I'm thinking about getting one...
[12:36] <inner_> eb0x: find out if your user has audio privileges.
[12:36] <Draal> How do I access synaptic?
[12:37] <eb0x> inner_: In users & groups
[12:37] <eb0x> ?
[12:37] <mdblitz1> system > administration
[12:37] <inner_> yes
[12:37] <airox> agabus: Well, do a `df` to check if it's already.
[12:37] <Slackman> thully, try the iRiver ones...they support oggs and are usable under linux
[12:37] <Draal> What?
[12:37] <Draal> System > Admin?
[12:37] <inner_> yes = yes at the user and groups thing
[12:37] <knucks> this is so annoying..
[12:37] <mdblitz1> click on the system menu then the administration menu
[12:37] <agabus> airox - ok how do i use df?
[12:37] <knucks> i bet its a really simple problem
[12:37] <eb0x> Draal: System > Administration > Synaptic
[12:37] <airox> agabus: in your console
[12:37] <Slackman> knucks, whats your issue?
[12:37] <thoreauputic> Draal: computer >> system admin >> synaptic package manager
[12:37] <inner_> and yes = I have checked the alsamixer
[12:37] <Brunellus_> fooking 'ell
[12:37] <knucks> all i want to do is rollback to the default xserver
[12:38] <inner_> but I can't figure out why I loose the bass frequencies
[12:38] <Slackman> knucks, apt-get remove xorg
[12:38] <thully> they are > expensive than ipods in what I see - ipod minis vs. comparable iriver at least
[12:38] <knucks> Slackman: i installed nvidia-glx, and now x tells me there aer no screens present
[12:38] <agabus> airox - ok i done it, but hdb is not in there
[12:38] <Draal> Thanks
[12:38] <eb0x> inner_: my user does have permission to use audio devices
[12:38] <airox> agabus: Does the fat32 partition reside on the same hard disk ?
[12:38] <agabus> no
[12:38] <airox> Or do you have more hard disks ?
[12:39] <Slackman> knucks, well i think you should have a back up file in that case...otherwise just run xorgconfig or xconfig which ever your running
[12:39] <knucks> Slackman: i tried..still no go
[12:39] <knucks> what do i do after i remove xorg
[12:39] <inner_> eb0x: i c... hmmm ok... try opening the alsamixer at the console
[12:40] <Brunellus_> I don't get it
[12:40] <eb0x> inner_: How do I open that?
[12:40] <Brunellus_> I can see the print server on "network"
[12:40] <Brunellus_> I know it to be an SMB thing
[12:40] <eb0x> inner_: run alsamixer or ./alsamixer ?
[12:40] <Brunellus_> I know that the printer is on P1
[12:40] <Brunellus_> what's missing?
[12:40] <Brunellus_> why won't it run?
[12:40] <knucks> it tells me that xorg.conf is missing from my system
[12:40] <thoreauputic> inner_: you just type alsamixer
[12:40] <Slackman> knucks, re-install Xfree or xorg...which ever you were using to begin with
[12:41] <knucks> Well im on hoary
[12:41] <knucks> so xorg i guess?
[12:41] <Slackman> knucks, xorg i guess
[12:41] <knucks> how do i do that?
[12:41] <knucks> sudo apt-get remove xserver-xorg
[12:41] <knucks> and then apt-get install it again?
[12:41] <speedy2782> root@laptop:~ # modprobe ndiswrapper
[12:41] <speedy2782> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-4-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted
[12:41] <thoreauputic> knucks: sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg
[12:41] <knucks> ok
[12:41] <speedy2782> anyone have any idea what the "h" that means
[12:41] <Slackman> knucks, well you can use dpkg reconfigure or something
[12:42] <Brunellus_> I try to print, and I get
[12:42] <Brunellus_> "Unable to connect to SAMBA host...retry in 60 seconds
[12:42] <helloyo> anyone else having difficulties with evolution 2.2? it won't delete stuff half the time
[12:42] <L8Gr8> I'm reading a config file, does anybody know what this means:${1}
[12:42] <L8Gr8> ${1}
[12:42] <Brunellus_> "DEBUG: 1%EndFont
[12:43] <inner_> hone, does anybody knows what does toggles like External amplifier do at the Alsa Mixer:  they apparently do nothing.
[12:43] <sid77> hi
[12:43] <hone> inner_, sorry don't know much about sound
[12:43] <thoreauputic> inner_: use your arrow keys
[12:43] <Brunellus_> sh*t.  this is even worse
[12:43] <Brunellus_> now I can't even see windows network
[12:44] <inner_> yes, I know the alsamixer much, but this time I can't figure what was changed at hoary that made sound server sound this bad...
[12:44] <inner_> its a question of quality
[12:44] <inner_> in fact I didnt realised it till I plugged the pro audio card to my laptop...
[12:44] <helloyo> arghh!!! evolution is barely working at all in hoary
[12:44] <thoreauputic> inner_: are you on hoary?
[12:45] <inner_> yes thoreauputic
[12:45] <inner_> on hoary
[12:45] <eb0x> thoreauputic: Is the Creative SoundBlaster Live! sound card supported by Linux?
[12:45] <Brunellus_> nobody here knows anything about getting a network printer running?
[12:45] <inner_> yes eb0x
[12:45] <thoreauputic> inner_: I don't know much about this, but crimsun was talking about polypaudio and esd here
[12:45] <inner_> Oh! interesting thoreau
[12:46] <thoreauputic> inner_: he's one of the devs who knows sound
[12:46] <L8Gr8> I returned my SBLive. Creative Audigy2 works.
[12:46] <inner_> thx!
[12:46] <thoreauputic> inner_: polypaudio has been problematic apparently
[12:46] <inner_> I see...
[12:46] <mdblitz1> I know sometimes to make gaim work on my sound card I have to make it use ESD audio
[12:46] <eb0x> eb0x@ubuntu:~ $ alsamixer
[12:46] <eb0x> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
[12:46] <eb0x> eb0x@ubuntu:~ $
[12:46] <Brunellus_> nobody for samba?
[12:46] <tck> having sound problems
[12:46] <eb0x> What do I do about that?
[12:46] <desrt> http://www.justlinux.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=138287
[12:46] <tck> it used to work today and then it suddenly stopped
[12:46] <desrt> i'm getting this exact problem ^^
[12:46] <Draal> How do I enable mp3 playback?
[12:47] <tck> this happen to anyone else ?
[12:47] <helloyo> why won't evolution do what i tell it to?
[12:47] <desrt> does anyone know what might be wrong?
[12:47] <koen_> yeah i wondering about that aswell
[12:47] <inner_> to me tck
[12:47] <tck> how you work around it
[12:47] <thoreauputic> Draal: sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[12:47] <Brunellus_> Draal:  wiki.  "restricted-formats"
[12:47] <inner_> I am having sound quality problems
[12:47] <mdblitz1> Draal: you shouldn't have to
[12:47] <tck> it give the drum bear on ubuntu desktop login
[12:47] <koen_> i cant play mp3
[12:47] <tck> but that is all
[12:47] <koen_> either
[12:47] <koen_> i installed gstreamer
[12:47] <thoreauputic> Draal: then use the music player (rhythmbox)
[12:47] <tck> ditto
[12:47] <blizah> is it possible to install gaim encryption on warty?
[12:47] <koen_> rhytemnbox hangs on my system :)
[12:48] <koen_> i think ill go back you vectorlinux
[12:48] <thoreauputic> koen_: gstreamer0.8-mad is the package name
[12:48] <koen_> but what i dont get, i can type any packagename
[12:48] <koen_> it does outputs anything when ready
[12:48] <helloyo> can anyone tell me why evolution barely works?
[12:48] <inner_> tck: does your user have audio privileges?
[12:49] <koen_> does ubuntu confirms when a apt-get is succesfull ?
[12:49] <mdblitz1> helloyo: barely works how?
[12:49] <inner_> yes koen_
[12:49] <farruinn> helloyo: you need to be more specific
[12:49] <thoreauputic> koen_: you'll see it configuring once it's downloaded
[12:49] <koen_> weird it does confirms anything
[12:49] <koen_> weird
[12:49] <tck> inner_, that shouldnt make a diff
[12:50] <koen_> how can i copy/paste to terminal ?
[12:50] <tck> right now my system plays mp3's
[12:50] <tck> weird
[12:50] <thoreauputic> koen_: highlight, middle click to paste
[12:50] <eb0x> eb0x@ubuntu:~ $ alsamixer
[12:50] <eb0x> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
[12:50] <eb0x> What do I do about that?
[12:50] <farruinn> could someone with mol installed please run 'startmol --list' to tell me where the modules should be?
[12:51] <NeoCicak> how do i know what version my gnome is?
[12:51] <koen_> what version of debian is ubuntu running on ?
[12:51] <helloyo> mdblitz1, farruinn, i was making lots of changes to stuff, then the changes stopped taking effect, i'd delete something but nothing would happen
[12:51] <thoreauputic> farruinn: if you can wait a few minutes I'll get my laptop...
[12:51] <mdblitz1> NeoCicak: good chance its 2.10
[12:51] <eb0x> NeoCicak: System > About Gnome
[12:51] <netdur> ubuntu (codename hoary) 5.10 the number mean the month.day of year it release, so hoary is 5.04 and next is 5.10... betwreen 5.04 and 5.10 it's year and six days
[12:51] <farruinn> thoreauputic: you're awesome
[12:52] <jazzka> hi!
[12:52] <NeoCicak> eb0x: ahhha.. of course. silly  me.. thx!
[12:52] <koen_> why doesnt ubuntu comes with mp3 ? doesnt everyone wants mp3 ? :)
[12:52] <cocol> netdur,6 months
[12:52] <netdur> what happen to six month release?
[12:52] <eyequeue> s/year and six days/six months/
[12:52] <jazzka> hoary's intallation says that can't find a driver for the cd-rom, which module should I load?
[12:52] <jazzka> any idea?
[12:52] <mdblitz1> hmm
[12:53] <mseney> koen_, nah not really. it's more widespread I think for Windows people. I prefer ogg.
[12:53] <mdblitz1> helloyo: what changes were you making?
[12:53] <drspin> koen_: search google for "RestrictedFormats"
[12:53] <eyequeue> netdur:  october isn't over a year away
[12:53] <netdur> do it's year.month
[12:53] <mdblitz1> in preferences?
[12:53] <mseney> koen_, also flac is another thats lossless
[12:53] <Draal> Oh ya.. Only Windows people..
[12:53] <Draal> Its not like they account for 98% of the user base though..
[12:53] <Draal> Or anything silly like that
[12:53] <drspin> heh I have TONS of mp3 fles
[12:53] <mseney> i know i know
[12:53] <drspin> Draal: LOL
[12:54] <mseney> i think some mp3 players will run ogg these days i thought i heard somewhere
[12:54] <koen_> how can i install a packages
[12:54] <mdblitz1> anyone here tried installing mysql query browser?
[12:54] <koen_> something like installpkg
[12:54] <farruinn> koen_: apt-get install package
[12:54] <helloyo> mdblitz1, i'm deleting certain occurances of a recurrence
[12:54] <farruinn> koen_: sudo apt-get install package
[12:54] <koen_> no i dont want apt-get
[12:54] <koen_> i want to download packages and install them manual
[12:55] <mdblitz1> koen_: dpkg -i <package>
[12:55] <mseney> koen_, i think you have to install some lame package or something to get mp3 playback capability. try searching the ubuntu forums im sure you can find out how to do it easily
[12:55] <farruinn> koen_: that's not usually a good idea, make sure it's not in universe first
[12:55] <helloyo> mdblitz1, i seem to have found the glitch, in the exception list it adds the date before the one i actually deleted...
[12:55] <mdblitz1> ok
 apt-get doesnt work
[12:55] <eb0x> Has anyone in here had problems with their sound using a "Creative SoundBlaster Live!" Sound Card? I NEED HELP!
[12:56] <thoreauputic> farruinn: heh - that command says I have no modules, yet mol is starting as we speak :)
[12:56] <cocol> koen, dpkg -i package
[12:56] <farruinn> thoreauputic: hrm... vewy vewy intewesting
[12:56] <hone> koen_, you can get gstreamer plugins
[12:56] <hone> koen_, to get mp3 support
[12:56] <hone> koen_, depending on the app
[12:56] <thoreauputic> farruinn: available modules:  <none>
[12:56] <koen_> i want something similair to winamp, what should i get ?
[12:56] <drspin> eb0x: what problems are you having?
[12:56] <eb0x> When I try to open alsamixer  ..... I get this error "alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory" .... What can be done to fix this?
[12:56] <mseney> yeah i was just reading the forums and mp3 support was removed due to patent issues
[12:57] <drspin> koen_: XMMS
[12:57] <thoreauputic> farruinn: bizarre, hey?
[12:57] <eb0x> drspin: I can't play music
[12:57] <farruinn> thoreauputic: what do you have in /usr/lib/mol/modules?
[12:57] <eb0x> drspin: Well, i can't hear any sound at all.
[12:57] <thoreauputic> hang on
[12:57] <membreya_> im trying to compile the drivers for quickcam express, it compiles but immediately says "unknown symbol in module" any ideas?
[12:57] <mseney> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=302&page=2&pp=10
[12:57] <JDahl> eb0x, in general you dont have to ask for help here... however, actually asking a question normally gives you more feedback
[12:57] <mdblitz1> anyone tried installing mysql query browser?
[12:57] <jazzka> what can I do if ubuntu's installation doesnt recognize my cd-rom drive?
[12:57] <drspin> eb0x: paste the output of aplay -l in #flood
[12:58] <jazzka> I dont have a disk with driver, can I insmod any module? is a LG cd-rom
[12:58] <thoreauputic> farruinn: hmm - zilch, nada
[12:59] <drspin> eb0x: paste the results of lsmod in #flood
[12:59] <eb0x> drspin: Okay, I'm back with you here.
[12:59] <eb0x> drspin: Ok, 1 sec
[12:59] <farruinn> thoreauputic: can you /msg me the output of 'dpkg -L mol-modules-$(uname -r)?
[12:59] <thoreauputic> farruinn: don't ask me how this is working, but I have OS-x running right now in mol...
[01:00] <Brunellus_> h'mmm
[01:00] <Brunellus_> OK.  I'm stumped
[01:00] <eni_> which is the hava package name in apt-get ?
[01:00] <thoreauputic> farruinn: I'll have to fire up an IRC client on the lappie
[01:00] <eni_> s/hava/java
[01:00] <thoreauputic> hang on
[01:00] <thenuke> there is no patch/upgrade for the root exploit in kernel still?
[01:00] <Brunellus_> how in blazes do I get a networked printer going?
[01:01] <eyequeue> eni_:  see ubuntuguide, or the wiki
[01:01] <eni_> do you know its name : eyequeue ?
[01:01] <eyequeue> eni_:  one of those two gives a detailed howto, since it's not in ubuntu proper, iirc
[01:01] <drspin> eb0x: sudo modprobe snd_pcm
[01:01] <eyequeue> eni_:  hence there is no name you can just plug in
[01:02] <Brunellus_> nobody on networked printing?
[01:02] <eb0x> root@ubuntu:/home/eb0x # sudo modprobe snd_pcm
[01:02] <eb0x> root@ubuntu:/home/eb0x #
[01:02] <mdblitz1> I need to know if anyone has installed mysql query browser
[01:02] <drspin> eb0x: lsmod |grep snd in #ubuntu
[01:02] <mdblitz1> and if I can use apt-get to get it
[01:02] <drspin> eb0x: er in #flood rather
[01:02] <Quest-Master> Guys
[01:03] <cafe_roy> Brunellus_: cups ?
[01:03] <Quest-Master> Where does apt-get install phpmyadmin?
[01:03] <eni_> what do you mean ? eyequeue
[01:03] <eni_> I do apt-get install java and there is no package named java
[01:03] <farruinn> Quest-Master: dpkg -L phpmyadmin ?
[01:03] <Brunellus_> cafe_roy:  that's not terribly helpful to me.
[01:03] <eni_> apt-cache search java and I get a big list.
[01:03] <Brunellus_> let me explain:
[01:03] <Quest-Master> Nvm, got it.
[01:03] <eb0x> drspin: gotcha :p
[01:03] <eyequeue> eni_:  you'd need to add some special repositories or some other special procedure, not a simple apt-get
[01:03] <cocol> eni jre
[01:03] <Brunellus_> the printer is connected to a hawkingtech parallel print server
[01:03] <Brunellus_> I have successfully printed to this printer over the network from a windows box
[01:04] <drspin> eb0x: ls /dev/dsp
[01:04] <eyequeue> eni_:  i know i read it there, just didn't feel like adding non-free things to my box, so basically ignored it
[01:04] <mdblitz1> Quest-Master: what did you have to type for apt-get to finbd phpmyadmin?
[01:04] <eni_> ???
[01:04] <Brunellus_> on the windows box, it's an SMB printer
[01:04] <mdblitz1> keeps telling me it can't fin the package
[01:04] <eni_> cocol is it named jre ?
[01:04] <eb0x> root@ubuntu:/home/eb0x # ls /dev/dsp
[01:04] <eb0x> ls: /dev/dsp: No such file or directory
[01:04] <eb0x> root@ubuntu:/home/eb0x #
[01:04] <cocol> yep
[01:04] <Brunellus_> in nautilus, I can see the print-server in "network"
[01:04] <Brunellus_> but I can't print to it!
[01:04] <eni_> root@galaxy:/tmp # apt-get install jre
[01:04] <eni_> Reading Package Lists... Done
[01:04] <eni_> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[01:04] <eni_> E: Couldn't find package jre
[01:05] <hone> mdblitz1, apt-cache search phpmyadmin
[01:05] <eyequeue> eni_:  that would be a runtime only not a jdk
[01:05] <mdblitz1> thanks
[01:05] <hone> eni_, you need to use java-pakcage to bulid it
[01:05] <eyequeue> eni_:  and again, non-free
[01:05] <hone> eni_, since it's not "free"
[01:05] <eb0x> drspin: Is there a package that i need to install for /dev/dsp to be there
[01:05] <eni_> I have to pay ? or what?
[01:05] <drspin> eb0x: no -- the module for your soundcard has to be loaded...
[01:05] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> is there a repository that has mplayer/win32 codecs etc in it (and is AMD64 compatible?)
[01:06] <drspin> eb0x: sudo modprobe -r snd_pcm
[01:06] <eyequeue> eni_:  freedom doesn't really correspond to payment status
[01:06] <hone> eni_, no it's not free as in speech
[01:06] <hone> eni_, not beer
[01:06] <drspin> eb0x: sudo modprobe snd_emu10k1
[01:06] <thoreauputic_> farruinn: did you get my dcc chat request?
[01:06] <drspin> eb0x: ls /dev/dsp
[01:06] <koen_> how can i log in as root ?
[01:06] <eb0x> root@ubuntu:/home/eb0x # sudo modprobe -r snd_pcm
[01:06] <eb0x> FATAL: Module snd_pcm is in use.
[01:06] <eb0x> root@ubuntu:/home/eb0x #
[01:06] <koen_> what password do i use at loginscreen
[01:06] <drspin> koen_: sudo -s
[01:06] <eyequeue> koen_:  you're not advised to in ubuntu, use sudo instead
[01:06] <koen_> no i want to login as root
[01:06] <farruinn> thoreauputic_: hm, nope...
[01:06] <drspin> koen_: why would you want to login in to a root X session?
[01:07] <eb0x> root@ubuntu:/home/eb0x # sudo modprobe -r snd_pcm
[01:07] <eb0x> FATAL: Module snd_pcm is in use.
[01:07] <eb0x> root@ubuntu:/home/eb0x #
[01:07] <farruinn> thoreauputic_: what is dcc?
[01:07] <koen_> sudo doest work
[01:07] <koen_> it just doesnt do anything
[01:07] <eb0x> koen_: 'sudo su'
[01:07] <thoreauputic_> farruinn: /j #flood
[01:07] <farruinn> koen_: see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[01:07] <mdblitz1> hone: its not find anything when I type that
[01:07] <eyequeue> koen_:  if you truly want to do something dangerous, it's on the wiki, i'll not tell hom in a public irc channel
[01:07] <drspin> eb0x: try just sudo modprobe snd_emu10k1
[01:07] <hone> hone@ubuntu:~ $ apt-cache search phpmyadmin
[01:07] <eyequeue> s/hom/how/
[01:07] <hone> eskuel - A MySQL databases administration interface in PHP-scripts
[01:07] <hone> phpmyadmin - A set of PHP-scripts to administrate MySQL over the WWW
[01:07] <koen_> there is no password for sudo right ? after installation
[01:08] <drspin> koen_: it's your password --
[01:08] <koen_> oh :)
[01:08] <eyequeue> koen_:  read the url you were given (yes you do need a password)
[01:08] <koen_> rofl, someone told me its blank
[01:08] <mdblitz1> hone: so why won't it find it on mine?
[01:08] <eyequeue> koen_:  i recommend you read that url
[01:08] <koen_> no i get why it wouldnt work
[01:08] <koen_> thanks
[01:08] <keffo> Ok, so I have this huge problem. Something happend and X (xorg) cant be loaded at boot up. When I use another terminal and run some commands it works, and glxgears gives right FPS etc.. the thing is, we made this script wich should do all those thingies tog et it working.. And its loading at boot but X still doesnt start, when I just run the script from console.. it goes "poff". heres the script www.tehjunkyard.net/www.tehjunkyard.net/fglrxfix.txt
[01:08] <drspin> koen_: your ROOT password is empty -- for security reasons -- use sudo
[01:08] <koen_> im used to slackware, this is different
[01:08] <eb0x> drspin: k ...
[01:08] <eb0x> root@ubuntu:/home/eb0x # sudo modprobe snd_emu10k1
[01:08] <eb0x> root@ubuntu:/home/eb0x #
[01:09] <keffo> www.tehjunkyard.net/fglrxfix.txt <-
[01:09] <hone> mdblitz1, repositories
[01:09] <inner_> Hello crimsum.  I was told you are a dev working on sound issues.  Is there any known problem with hoary updates recently?
[01:09] <drspin> eb0x: ls /dev/dsp
[01:09] <eb0x> root@ubuntu:/home/eb0x # ls dev/dsp
[01:09] <eb0x> ls: dev/dsp: No such file or directory
[01:09] <eb0x> root@ubuntu:/home/eb0x #
[01:09] <mdblitz1> hone: I'm new to ubuntu, can you explain that?
[01:09] <eb0x> woops
[01:09] <eb0x> but same results for ls /dev/dsp
[01:09] <drspin> eb0x: put a slash in front of dev
[01:10] <drspin> eb0x: paste lsmod|grep snd in #flood
[01:10] <eb0x> ls: /dev/dsp: No such file or directory
[01:10] <hone> mdblitz1, sure
[01:10] <hone> mdblitz1, ubuntu is based off debian, and apt looks in respositories to find packages
[01:10] <eb0x> drspin: done
[01:10] <hone> mdblitz1, so depending on what your repositories are depends on what packages you can apt-get install
[01:10] <koen_> what does this mean: E: Couldn't find package gstreamer0.8-mad ?
[01:10] <cocol> mdblitz1, http://ubuntuguide.org
[01:10] <mdblitz1> thanks
[01:11] <drspin> eb0x: it all looks good -- aplay -l
[01:11] <farruinn> thoreauputic_: they're the same files as what I've got, so I guess it's not a mol-modules-* problem
[01:11] <eb0x> root@ubuntu:/home/eb0x # aplay -l
[01:11] <eb0x> aplay: device_list:200: no soundcards found...
[01:11] <eb0x> root@ubuntu:/home/eb0x #
[01:11] <cocol> :)
[01:11] <hone> cocol, :)
[01:11] <thoreauputic> koen_: it means you haven't enabled the universe repository
[01:11] <thoreauputic> farruinn: OK
[01:11] <drspin> eb0x: boo
[01:11] <drspin> eb0x: gimme a second... gotta find something real quick
[01:12] <thoreauputic> koen_: read http://ubuntuguide.org
[01:12] <keffo> crimsun awake?
[01:12] <koen_> thanks
[01:12] <eb0x> drspin: Okay. I found something on the internet, i searched for EMU10k1X in google, and I guess a lot of people have been having trouble with the sound card in the Dell computers, which is what I have..
[01:13] <eb0x> drspin: I don't know if that will do us any good as to what needs to be done for me to get my sound working
[01:13] <farruinn> Brunellus_: take a look at the tail end of http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba/view?searchterm=printing
[01:13] <drspin> eb0x: I also have a DELL and it works fine -- are you using hoary or warty?
[01:13] <eb0x> drspin: hoary
[01:13] <NeoCicak> eb0x: same with me.. mine is fine
[01:13] <eb0x> drspin: I had warty before, and it didn't work there :/
[01:13] <NeoCicak> eb0x: mine is audigy2... what's yours??
[01:13] <eb0x> NeoCicak: soundblaster live
[01:13] <drspin> eb0x: past # cat /proc/pci in #flood
[01:13] <thoreauputic> farruinn: I got most of my stuff with apt - so not a lot of compiling involved
[01:14] <drspin> mine SB Live! Value
[01:14] <eb0x> root@ubuntu:/home/eb0x # cat /proc/pci
[01:14] <eb0x> cat: /proc/pci: No such file or directory
[01:14] <eb0x> root@ubuntu:/home/eb0x #
[01:14] <farruinn> thoreauputic: same here...
[01:14] <eb0x> drspin: what dell do you have?
[01:14] <drspin> uhhhhhh.....
[01:14] <inner_> crimsun?
[01:14] <drspin> eb0x: Dell 4500 purchased about three years ago
[01:14] <eb0x> drspin: I have a dell dimension 4550 .. im just using the sound card that came in this computer
[01:15] <membreya> with .patch files, how do you get the compiler to automatically recognise them ?
[01:15] <hone> doesn't dell
[01:15] <Brunellus_> farruinn:  thanks.
[01:15] <skel_home> what version of debian would warty be closest to?
[01:15] <hone> have special sblive cards?
[01:15] <thoreauputic> inner_: he's away, I'm afraid
[01:15] <hone> skel_home: sarge/testing?
[01:15] <eb0x> hone:  thats what i had found on the internet
[01:15] <drspin> eb0x: mine came with a SB Live Value -- and it worked fine for me... what chipset is your motherboard using?
[01:15] <hone> yeah
[01:15] <hone> you need like emu10k1x
[01:15] <eb0x> hone: ya thats what i found in device manager
[01:15] <skel_home> hone: ok I'm just trying to find out which source to stick in my list of mplayer..
[01:15] <cocol> sarge=unstable
[01:16] <eb0x> drspin: I couldn't tell you, how can I find out?
[01:16] <msh__> no
[01:16] <msh__> sarge = testing
[01:16] <eb0x> hone: do i need to install emu10k1x or something?
[01:16] <msh__> sid = unstable
[01:16] <thoreauputic> cocol: no, sarge=testing
[01:16] <inner_> yes thoreauputic, thats what I think as well :-)
[01:16] <cocol> ok
[01:16] <drspin> eb0x:System -> Administration -> Device Manager
[01:16] <thoreauputic> cocol: sid=unstable
[01:16] <keffo> Ok, so I have this huge problem. Something happend and X (xorg) cant be loaded at boot up. When I use another terminal and run some commands it works, and glxgears gives right FPS etc.. the thing is, we made this script wich should do all those thingies tog et it working.. And its loading at boot but X still doesnt start, when I just run the script from console.. it goes "poff". heres the script www.tehjunkyard.net/fglrxfix.txt
[01:16] <msh__> whats the run level in ubuntu to make it boot to console and not load X or GDM/
[01:16] <eb0x> drspin: ok im there
[01:16] <drspin> msh__: init 1
[01:17] <hone> eb0x: no the module
[01:17] <thoreauputic> msh__: ha - sorry I missed your posts :)
[01:17] <eyequeue> msh__:  that's not how debian-based distros do it
[01:17] <msh__> 1?
[01:17] <msh__> oh
[01:17] <msh__> ok
[01:17] <msh__> im used to slack
[01:17] <msh__> and bsd
[01:17] <msh__> which is 3
[01:17] <eb0x> hone: where can i get that module from?
[01:17] <eyequeue> msh__:  2 == 3 == 4 == 5
[01:17] <thoreauputic> msh__: debian distros have runlevel 2 default
[01:17] <farruinn> msh__: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[01:17] <msh__> so
[01:17] <eyequeue> msh__:  man update-rc.d
[01:17] <thoreauputic> msh__: nad don't use runlevels the same way
[01:17] <msh__> in inittab, change runlevel 2 1?
[01:18] <membreya> with .patch files, how do you get the compiler to automatically recognise them ? :|
[01:18] <hone> eb0x: should be part of alsa
[01:18] <eyequeue> msh__:  no, you don't want that, almost guaranteed.  see the man page
[01:18] <drspin> msh__: farruinn has a much better way -- init 1 is single-user mode...
[01:18] <drspin> eb0x: emu10k1 works just fine for me
[01:19] <eyequeue> msh__:  it will explain how to simply remove gdm from  one of your runlevels
[01:19] <msh__> i prefer a console enviroment running screen split into 4 windows
[01:19] <farruinn> msh__: or s/gdm/[xorg|xfree86] -common
[01:19] <msh__> :P
[01:19] <b0lt> hey
[01:19] <msh__> ok
[01:19] <eb0x> hone: i dont know what alsa is .. im very new to linux
[01:19] <msh__> do i have to update-rc.d?
[01:19] <eb0x> drspin: what did you want me to do in device manager?
[01:19] <hone> eb0x: www.alsa-project.org
[01:19] <hone> eb0x: linux sound drivers
[01:19] <hone> eb0x: but I gotta go eat.
[01:19] <b0lt> can someone give me a hand with setting up ubuntu as the gateway for an adhoc wireless network?
[01:19] <eyequeue> msh__:  that would be "the debian/ubuntu way"
[01:19] <b0lt> (ipforwarding)
[01:19] <msh__> eyequeue: do i have to update-rc.d?
[01:20] <thoreauputic> OK I'm tired - time to sign off - later all :)
[01:20] <eyequeue> msh__:  it's not painful :)
[01:20] <msh__> im just asking
[01:20] <msh__> in slack
[01:20] <msh__> i didnt have to
[01:20] <eyequeue> msh__:  but again, this isn't slack
[01:20] <msh__> i understand
[01:20] <koen_> oh oh i think i have a problem, does this mean im running a unstable ubuntu: Ubuntu 4.10 _Warty Warthog_ - Preview i386 Binary-1 (20041020)] / unstable main restricted
[01:21] <b0lt> warty isn't unstable
[01:21] <drspin> eb0x: did you install from a recent warty ISO?
[01:21] <koen_> it says this in sources.list
[01:21] <eyequeue> msh__:  boot procedures seem to be one of the more significant areas of difference between distros
[01:21] <koen_> what does this mean:  unstable main restricted
[01:21] <drspin> warty is a *stable* preview release of ubuntu as I understand it
[01:21] <Tomcat_> No, warty is a stable release of Ubuntu.
[01:22] <eb0x> drspin: i assume so, i got the cd in the mail recently
[01:22] <Slackman> msh__, slackware uses more of a bsd style init....
[01:22] <eyequeue> warty isn't preview, warty is the current stable release
[01:22] <blizah> ive made a launcher icon for firestarter (firewall), but it has to be run as root...can i make an icon execute the sudo command/
[01:22] <blizah> ?
[01:22] <koen_> but why is unstable in my sources.list ?
[01:22] <eb0x> drspin: i also updated last night to hoary
[01:22] <eyequeue> blizah:  in "command:" preface it with "gksudo "
[01:22] <desrt> does ubuntu have an rc.local sort of deal?
[01:22] <eyequeue> blizah:  "gksudo foo bar"
[01:23] <farruinn> blizah: it's gksu by default which won't work since there's no root password
[01:23] <Slackman> desrt, i'd like to know that too
[01:23] <drspin> eb0x: then you should be good... hmmm -- I'm stumped... try logging out, killing X [ctrl + alt + backspace]  and logging back in -- then ls /dev/dsp
[01:23] <blizah> perfect tnx guys
[01:23] <eyequeue> desrt:  no, see 'man update-rc.d" for info on ubuntu's boot procedure
[01:23] <eyequeue> Slackman:  ^^
[01:23] <desrt> thx.
[01:23] <Slackman> cheers
[01:23] <koen_> i don't get it, you tell me warthy is stable, but sources.list says different why ?
[01:23] <farruinn> koen_: what?
[01:24] <koen_> Preview i386 Binary-1 (20041020)] / unstable main restricted
[01:24] <koen_> what does that line means ?
[01:24] <eyequeue> koen_:  warty is stable.  you may have some old cd image that it read from
[01:24] <koen_> so that it bad ?
[01:24] <eyequeue> koen_:  that looks suspiciously like it came off a cd
[01:25] <koen_> yes but a unstable cd ?
[01:25] <eb0x> okay drspin
[01:25] <koen_> im kind of panicing, because my windows computer just got fried :)
[01:25] <eb0x> im gonna try installing this alsa thing
[01:25] <eb0x> and see what that does
[01:25] <drspin> eb0x: hang on -- lemme try something real quick
[01:25] <eb0x> drspin:  ok
[01:25] <eyequeue> koen_:  warty becmae stable in october.  earlier versions probably called themselves unstable
[01:26] <koen_> hmm i should get a new cdimage i guess.. that sucks without a burner :)
[01:26] <eyequeue> koen_:  deep breath :)  does your warty box have internet access?
[01:26] <msh__> so what would be the command for update-rcd?
[01:26] <koen_> yes
[01:26] <koen_> im on warhty now
[01:26] <msh__> update-rc.d inittab remove?
[01:26] <eyequeue> koen_:  i'll msg you a line to add to it, to make sure you have current pacakges, okay?
[01:26] <koen_> okay
[01:27] <drspin> eb0x: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base
[01:27] <msh__> update-rc.d inittab remove?
[01:27] <msh__> so what would be the command for update-rcd?
[01:27] <Brunellus_> OK.  progress.
[01:28] <b0lt> can someone give me a hand with setting up ubuntu as the gateway for an adhoc wireless network?
[01:28] <Brunellus_> now I have timeouts instead of host not found
[01:29] <speedy2782> I am trying to load a motorola wn825g onto my dell inspiron 1000. I am running Linux laptop 2.6.10-4-686 #1 Sat Mar 12 11:12:34 GMT 2005 i686 GNU/Linux. after ndiswrapper -i driver.inf and modprobe I get error. FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-4-686/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted. I am at a loss. Any suggestions.
[01:30] <eb0x> drspin: okay i did that and tried to go into my volume monitor and it tells me to run esd
[01:30] <eb0x> root@ubuntu:/home/eb0x # esd
[01:30] <eb0x> /dev/dsp: No such file or directory
[01:30] <eb0x> root@ubuntu:/home/eb0x #
[01:30] <membreya> noone here knows how to use .patch files? or is it too complicated? :P
[01:31] <eb0x> no i dont membreya sorry.
[01:31] <eyequeue> membreya:  man patch, but it's pretty simple, you MIGHT need a -p 1
[01:31] <ghita> hello!
[01:32] <eyequeue> membreya:  /usr/bin/patch -p 1< foo.patch type thing
[01:32] <ghita> can somebody tell me how can i remove a package without its dependencies?
[01:32] <ghita> please!
[01:33] <Brunellus_> ugh.  this is irritating.  in the extreme.
[01:35] <speedy2782> how do I uninstall ndiswrapper
[01:35] <Brunellus_> speedy2782:  go to where you untarred ndiswrapper
[01:35] <Jesterace> anyone know how to install alsa-cvs in ubuntu?
[01:35] <Brunellus_> then make uninstall
[01:35] <scorpix_> how can i make incremental backup for /home/user using tar and exclude hidden files?
[01:35] <Dr_Willis> hay all.
[01:35] <ghita> how can i remove a package without its dependencies?
[01:35] <Brunellus_> speedy2782:  but first, remove any drivers you put on nidswrapper using ndiswrapper -e DRIVER
[01:35] <Brunellus_> where DRIVER=driver name
[01:36] <heatxsink> can someone help me in here with mounting my NTFS drive I'm having a problem
[01:37] <heatxsink> i've looked at the FAQ's
[01:37] <heatxsink> I tried what the put in there, and still no dice
[01:37] <bamm> anyone using gdm-2.6.0.8 and gnome-2.10.0? I don't have a power off optioon in gdm anymore. The reboot option is still there
[01:37] <membreya> hmmm eyequeue, doing a patch -p1 qc-usb-0.6.2-page_range.patch just left me with a blinking cursor :|
[01:38] <eyequeue> membreya:  one magic character missing :)
[01:38] <eyequeue> membreya:  patch -p1 < foo.patch
[01:38] <mseney> can't seem to write an iso to my CD-R and I'm sure it's blank?
[01:38] <membreya> < not > ?
[01:39] <eyequeue> membreya:  patch -p1 < foo.patch   means use foo.pathc as input, not output file
[01:39] <membreya> you're a champ eyequeue :)
[01:39] <eyequeue> heh
[01:39] <membreya> let's hope the module compiles :)
[01:39] <sophief> hi people of da free world
[01:39] <sophief> how about some help ?
[01:41] <alavista> May I ask only one question?
[01:41] <sophief> i'd like to watch dvd running hoary
[01:41] <sophief> alavista ask
[01:41] <eb0x> Can anyone help me with an alsaplayer error?
[01:41] <sophief> ebox ask
[01:41] <membreya> thankyou SO much eyequeue, that patch fixed the problem :)
[01:41] <eb0x> sophief: are you in #flood ?
[01:41] <chizh_> wau
[01:41] <Brunellus_> Ok.  one more time.  can anyone help me with my network printer?
[01:41] <chizh_> ok
[01:41] <eyequeue> membreya:  glad to hear it :)
[01:42] <eb0x> I need to paste a whole bunch of stuff I get when I try to run alsaplayer
[01:42] <chizh_> hi to all .. i have a little problem with my eth0 ... does anybody have realtek rtl8139d
[01:42] <membreya> I'm running 2.6.11, in the /lib/modules directory can I get rid of the 2.6.10 references?
[01:42] <Brunellus_> nobody out there?
[01:42] <bamm> Brunellus_: setup cups yet?
[01:42] <sophief> #flood
[01:43] <sophief> ebox ?
[01:43] <eb0x> ?
[01:43] <alavista> sophief: DVD support is discussed in http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[01:43] <Brunellus_> bamm:  I'm trying to get this (ubuntu) box to talk to a printer on a little print server thingie
[01:43] <Brunellus_> (it attaches to the parallel port of the printer)
[01:43] <Brunellus_> my windows box can see & print from that fine
[01:43] <chizh_> so does anybody try to connect thru realtek lan car
[01:43] <Brunellus_> for the windows box, it's an SMB printer
[01:43] <sophief> alavista only for warty
[01:43] <Brunellus_> but I don't know how to make it run for this one
[01:43] <sophief> i'dlike with hoary
[01:44] <heatxsink> please?
[01:44] <bamm> Brunellus_: use samba to set it up on your local machine
[01:44] <speedy2782> root@laptop:/home/benjamin # sudo ndiswrapper -i /home/benjamin/bcmwl5a.inf
[01:44] <speedy2782> Installing bcmwl5a
[01:44] <speedy2782> Forcing parameter RadioState|0 to RadioState|1
[01:44] <speedy2782> Forcing parameter RadioState|0 to RadioState|1
[01:44] <speedy2782> root@laptop:/home/benjamin # sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[01:44] <speedy2782> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-4-686/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted
[01:44] <speedy2782> root@laptop:/home/benjamin #
[01:44] <alavista> sophief: the basic idea is he same. Ubuntu cannot come by default with DVD support due to some licensing issues. Thus, it's an issue of installing this extra package.
[01:45] <speedy2782> anyone have any clue as to how to kick this problem let me know please
[01:45] <alavista> speedy2782: "Operation not permitted" is the magic word. You should run this command as "root", with "sudo"...
[01:46] <eb0x> They were running it as root
 root@laptop:/home/benjamin # sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[01:46] <sophief> alavista i know about the licensing problems
[01:46] <farruinn> speedy2782: why are you using sudo as root?
[01:46] <Brunellus_> bamm:  I've been trying
[01:46] <sophief> alavista and the extrapackages
[01:46] <Brunellus_> I don't know what I"m doing wrong
[01:47] <chizh_> haj anybody have realtek lan card?
[01:47] <speedy2782> alavista
[01:47] <sophief> alavista but i didn't get one that works w/ hoary
[01:47] <speedy2782> does make a difference
[01:47] <bamm> Brunellus_: well what have you done so far
[01:47] <alavista> damn, a cat just caught a bird outside in the garden, and the poor bird is screaming...
[01:47] <Brunellus_> bamm:  tried to add it as a network printer...
[01:47] <speedy2782> sudo modprobe ndiswrapper is what I put in there to get the error
[01:47] <Brunellus_> I select "SMB"
[01:48] <Brunellus_> for host, I put whatever I see on the "network" tab in nautilus
[01:48] <Brunellus_> I set it to P1, since that's what worked on the other box
[01:48] <Brunellus_> and I set it to print a test page
[01:48] <jack|h> So with Ubuntu, it looks like it's loading esd, causing interference with alsa?
[01:48] <Brunellus_> the test page never comes out.  it's showing a timeout
[01:48] <jack|h> is there a way to make em... not interfere?
[01:50] <bamm> Brunellus_: use lpr from the command line to print directly to it
[01:51] <alavista> jack|h: what programs show interference? perhaps run "gstreamer-properties"?
[01:51] <speedy2782> every driver I enter regardless if it is a real file or not still says invalid driver using ndiswrapper
[01:51] <speedy2782> what other methods of getting a driver to work under linux, ubuntu hoary
[01:51] <speedy2782> is wifi just a lost cause on linux
[01:52] <neighborlee> hey all what is the other file utility app called that is similar to 'file roller' ..i'm finding file roller very buggy
[01:52] <jack|h> alavista: well anything that tries to output via alsa says that it's busy
[01:52] <speedy2782> I I find a linux driver for my wifi chipset how would I load it?
[01:52] <alavista> speedy2782: you have a broadcom chipset, a black sheep. you should have better got a madwifi one
[01:52] <speedy2782> I also am attempting to use a realtek
[01:53] <speedy2782> netgear ma521 or a motorola wn825g. neither of them are working
[01:53] <alavista> speedy2782: realter is almost similar (grey ship?). are these pcmcia?
[01:53] <speel> lol speedy your still having problems?
[01:53] <speedy2782> yes
[01:53] <SuperLag> speedy2782: if it's Broadcom, you've resigned yourself to having to ndiswrapper or driverloader
[01:53] <speedy2782> I have been working on this for three days
[01:53] <speedy2782> ndiswrapper can suck my balls
[01:53] <speel> have you ever posted on linuxquestions.org there usally better then this channel
[01:54] <speedy2782> I have been everywhere
[01:54] <speel> heh no offence to any one
[01:54] <alavista> speedy2782: if you get a madwifi based card (also knowed as Atheros), you will be very happy.
[01:54] <speel> the pople from linuxquestions.org dident help?
[01:54] <speel> people*
[01:55] <Brunellus_> speedy2782:  did you try removing *all* of ndiswrapper?
[01:55] <speedy2782> I will post there
[01:55] <speedy2782> yep
[01:55] <Brunellus_> nidswrapper -e DRIVERS
[01:55] <speel> okk
[01:55] <speedy2782> yep
[01:55] <Brunellus_> ok.  then did you go to the directory where you untarred ndiswrapper
[01:55] <speedy2782> I have actually reinstalled ubuntu once to try that
[01:55] <speedy2782> 3 days!!!! of this
[01:55] <quarupt> wtf is an ndiswrapper?
[01:55] <Brunellus_> speedy
[01:55] <speel> lol
[01:55] <speedy2782> i used synaptic
[01:55] <Brunellus_> I know, it happened to me.  let me tell you what's what.
[01:56] <speedy2782> sounds like a good plan pm
[01:56] <Brunellus_> you have to go to wherever ndiswrapper dumped its makefile
[01:56] <Brunellus_> then you go in and execute
[01:56] <speel> or if your tired of all these problems kill everything by sudo rm -rf / lol jk dont do it
[01:57] <bamm> anyone here using gnome 2.10?
[01:57] <alavista> ndiswrapper and that broadcom chipset appear to work. http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/archive/index.php/t-29659.html
[01:57] <speel> bamm, i was but not any more
[01:57] <bamm> speel: happen to be using gdm-2.6.0.8 ?
[01:58] <speel> na
[01:58] <speel> 2.6.0.3
[01:58] <alavista> alsa problems: also at #fedora they discuss the same thing..
[02:00] <mikep> test
[02:00] <speel> any one tryed using the preview cd?
[02:01] <mikep> speel: i have.  could not connect to internet with it.
[02:01] <speel> did you have problems with nautilus also?
[02:01] <yadayada> speel: I have and it was quite nice. :)
[02:01] <farruinn> speel: I installed with it today
[02:01] <speel> like random windows closing
[02:01] <farruinn> oh, I don't use nautilus much
[02:02] <speel> ah
[02:02] <speel> with me when i tryed to view properties of certian things it would bug out i was like wtf
[02:02] <speedy2782> is using synaptic to complete uninstall ok, or do I have to use terminal?
[02:02] <kmanTFM_> ubuntu-desktop doesn't want to install because I have newer packages (from sid) installed on my computer and they conflict with the ones from ubuntu, how can I tell apt to froce a downgrade to install the needed packages ?
[02:03] <yadayada> speel: certain things as in local files?  or files on a network?
[02:03] <speel> ah the horrors of installing debian made packages =/
[02:03] <speel> local
[02:03] <yadayada> hmm,  I didn't have that problem myself then.
[02:03] <farruinn> kmanTFM_: pinning probably, you'd probably
[02:04] <farruinn> kmanTFM_: I think that might be possible through synaptic, but I've never tried it
[02:04] <speel> ah
[02:04] <speel> i hope they fix these oddball things tho
[02:05] <tuppa> hrm
[02:05] <tuppa> has the way to edit the Applications menu changed in hoary?
[02:05] <tuppa> I don't seem to be able to find the necessary menu options to edit the Applications menu in the Ubuntu wiki...
[02:05] <kmanTFM_> can I mix hoary and debian repos ?
[02:06] <speel> kmanTFM_, you can but its not recommended
[02:06] <speel> beacause the debain packages are diffrent then the ubuntu made ones
[02:06] <yadayada> speel: did you verify the md5 sum of the iso's before burning them?
[02:06] <speel> like what libs it uses and all
[02:06] <Blissex> kmanTFM_: sure, but use pinning, and you should know what you are doing :-)
[02:06] <speel> yadayada, nah
[02:06] <heatxsink> can anyone help me with my sound card ?
[02:07] <bamm> what's the issue?
[02:07] <heatxsink> well it seems to have the drivers and stuff working cause xmms is actually playing and not bombing
[02:07] <heatxsink> it seems like there's a mute
[02:07] <yadayada> speel: without checking that isn't it possible that a simple corrupted CD could be causing your crashing?
[02:07] <heatxsink> but I checked all of the mixer programs and the master nor the pcm channels are muted
[02:09] <speel> possibly :P
[02:09] <speel> how do you check the md5sum? i never had beacause every linux distro worked
[02:09] <inner_> Hello friends, I was asking for information about any hoary problem with sound quality, reported since last night's updates.
[02:09] <Jesterace> it possible to grab a vanilla kernel from kernel.org and compile it
[02:10] <inner_> I just want to say it was solved like magic after reconfiguring the following packages:
[02:11] <speel> inner_, are you a ubuntu developer?
[02:11] <yadayada> speel: what O/S are you in now?
[02:11] <speel> warty
[02:11] <crimsun> inner_: yes?
[02:13] <Markster> i'm really new with linux and am trying to install xmms but i'm getting an error message when trying to install it regarding no c compiler.. anyone??
[02:14] <noppe> Markster: just use synapsis to install the package..
[02:14] <Markster> what's synapsis?
[02:14] <noppe> err synaptic
[02:14] <eyequeue> synaptic (8)         - graphical management of software packages
[02:14] <Markster> wheres that?
[02:14] <noppe> go to system->administration
[02:14] <noppe> then click on synaptic..
[02:14] <Markster> ahh found it
[02:14] <Markster> thanks :)
[02:15] <noppe> beep-player is another type of xmms player but it is more modern so to speak..
[02:15] <sophief> noppe ?
[02:15] <speel> Markster, to install gcc and all that good stuff you do sudo apt-get install build-essential* .. i think you have to add the extra repos tho
[02:15] <noppe> beep-multimedia-player
[02:15] <noppe> blah
[02:15] <noppe> long ass names
[02:15] <occy> Do you need anything special to play midi files?
[02:15] <noppe> occy: timidity
[02:16] <crimsun> Markster: why are you attempting to compile XMMS? Just use Synaptic to install XMMS.
[02:16] <noppe> crimsun: uhh look up..
[02:17] <occy> noppe: okies
[02:17] <occy> crimsun: heyaz ;)
[02:17] <crimsun> occy: pong ;-)
[02:17] <occy> crimsun: I've been trying to lurk and help people from time to time.
[02:17] <eyequeue> Markster:  don't compile packages in ubuntu, install them with synaptic or apt-get, or similar
[02:17] <occy> crimsun: at least I'm lurking. ;)
[02:17] <crimsun> noppe: ...?
[02:17] <eyequeue> Markster:  that said, sudo apt-get install build-essential, if you like compiling things
[02:18] <inner_> speel, I am not a ubuntu developer
[02:18] <inner_> I just found out a sound quality problem
[02:18] <crimsun> inner_: you pinged me earlier/
[02:18] <inner_> I reconfigured my alsa, oss and gstreamer packages
[02:18] <speel> ah ok ;)
[02:18] <inner_> yes crimsun thx
[02:18] <inner_> I was about to ask you if there was any report on sound quality problems at hoary
[02:18] <inner_> not artifacts
[02:18] <inner_> but lack of bass frequencies
[02:18] <eyequeue> occy:  no need :)
[02:19] <occy> eyequeue: heh, I need stable. :P
[02:19] <crimsun> inner_: hmm, that wouldn't be directly related to alsa _except_ in the emu10k1 case, and even then it's a hit-and-miss race
[02:19] <eyequeue> occy:  i'm waiting too btw
[02:19] <speedy2781> I am back with a new quesion
[02:19] <occy> only have one machine and I need it for work.
[02:20] <crimsun> inner_: but to answer your question, no, I haven't seen any _quality_ bug reports
[02:20] <inner_> crimsun: thx crimsun, maybe it was a gstreamer configuration problem, i reconfigured gstreamer services and it seems theres no problem now
[02:20] <crimsun> occy: excellent! nice to see you back. :-)
[02:20] <Jesterace> crimsun,  you have any helpful information for a person wanting to download and compile alsa from cvs?
[02:20] <crimsun> inner_: ok.
[02:20] <inner_> unfortunately i didn't do a serious tracking
[02:20] <inner_> so I don't know what fixed the problem
[02:21] <crimsun> Jesterace: need cvs specifically or just a newer version than what alsa-source in hoary/universe provides?
[02:21] <inner_> crimsun: I use a usb pre amp M-Audio soundcard.
[02:21] <speedy2781> It is more than obvious that my newbility will not quite match up to the technical aspects of installing a wifi card on ubuntu. So. what card should I go out and spend money on that will play nicely with the hoary install, and 686, and whatever else. Linux laptop 2.6.10-4-686 #1 Sat Mar 12 11:12:34 GMT 2005 i686 GNU/Linuxto be exact
[02:21] <Jesterace> crimsun,  yep, the ca0106 driver isn't in the universe
[02:21] <occy> heh, Please check /etc/timidity.cfg
[02:21] <occy> crimsun: I've never left. :)
[02:21] <crimsun> inner_: great. I use an M-Audio Transit myself, and I have a Delta 1010LT that's awaiting a new motherboard.
[02:22] <eyequeue> speedy2781:  there was a page on the various wifi cards on the wiki, i thought
[02:22] <occy> noppe: timidity doesn't create one for you.
[02:22] <eyequeue> speedy2781:  though perhaps that was about laptops?
[02:22] <occy> noppe: don't see anything in the man page that's helpful.
[02:22] <speedy2781> newbility of speedy2781 doesn't allow him to know "wiki"
[02:22] <crimsun> Jesterace: actually it is if you're using hoary/universe.
[02:22] <crimsun> Jesterace: that is, of course, presuming that you're tracking hoary? :-)
[02:22] <eyequeue> speedy2781:  i was pleased to find the centrino chipset was supported out of the box
[02:22] <inner_> crimsun: wow! I am glad to meet an audio professional developing for ubuntu!
[02:22] <speedy2781> great, I need a pcmcia card that will work with hoary
[02:22] <speedy2781> any ideas
[02:22] <Se7h> whats the command line thing
[02:23] <Jesterace> crimsun, yeah, i'm running hoary
[02:23] <Se7h> to check a directory size?
[02:23] <crimsun> Jesterace: sudo apt-get install build-essential fakeroot linux-headers-$(uname -r) alsa-source kernel-package
[02:23] <eyequeue> speedy2781:  http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/
[02:23] <speedy2781> what I am looking at there
[02:24] <navreet> <--filed atleast 5 bugs today, onto my 6th... woohoo!
[02:24] <eyequeue> speedy2781:  you asked where the wiki was, i thought
[02:24] <Jesterace> i must have a respository not enabled
[02:24] <squallbsr> is ubuntu hoary based on udev, hal, dmesg, etc??
[02:24] <Jesterace> it can't find alsa-source
[02:24] <zyv> hi everyone !!!
[02:24] <squallbsr> Jesterace, do you have universal?  it might be in there..
[02:24] <speel> hi
[02:24] <zyv> i've a problem: i use an old pc with no ps2, so i use an adapter ps2->serial to use my mouse. What i've to do in my XF86Config-4 to get it working ! ??
[02:24] <squallbsr> Jesterace: just check out the settings in synaptics
[02:24] <crimsun> Jesterace: yes, you do need to enable the 'universe' repository, then sudo apt-get update
[02:24] <Se7h> whats the command line thing to check a directory size? plz
[02:24] <crimsun> Se7h: du -
[02:24] <inner_> crimsun: I will backtrace my problem and try figuring out what went wrong.  I ll report to you guys If I find something worth to say.  Thank you so much. bye.
[02:25] <crimsun> Se7h: err, sorry: du -h <dir>
[02:25] <Jesterace> i feel embarassed
[02:25] <Se7h> oh
[02:25] <Se7h> du
[02:25] <Se7h> ok thank crimsun
[02:25] <crimsun> inner_: great, thanks.
[02:25] <Jesterace> when I dist-upgraded to hoary i forgot to uncomment universe
[02:25] <squallbsr> zyv you have to figure out the /dev device for your serial mouse and put that in your configuration, you might try "Auto" for the mouse protocol...
[02:26] <zyv> squallbsr i'm sure its /dev/ttyS1
[02:26] <mdblitz1> how do you check to see what services are running and how to turn them on or off?
[02:26] <crimsun> occy: oh, I know you didn't leave :-)
[02:26] <zyv> squallbst and i've tried with Auto PS/2 IMPS/2 Microsoft BusMouse protocol with no success
[02:26] <crimsun> occy: how's training going, btw?
[02:26] <Jesterace> crimsun,  there I have the sources installed now
[02:26] <eyequeue> mdblitz1:  you could nmap localhost
[02:27] <zyv> squallbsr and i've tried with Auto PS/2 IMPS/2 Microsoft BusMouse protocol with no success
[02:27] <occy> crimsun: doing good... working on my 1/2 Ironman training now.
[02:27] <crimsun> occy: great
[02:27] <occy> crimsun: 12 weeks to go.
[02:27] <crimsun> Jesterace: cd /usr/src/ && sudo tar jfx alsa-driver.tar.bz2
[02:27] <occy> can't seem to get the damned thing to create a /etc/timidity.cfg file for me.
[02:27] <mdblitz1> nmap: command not found
[02:27] <spiderworm> hey all im pretty much arriving at the conclusion that fedora sucks ass.  im having all sorts of package upgrade problems and am looking for a easy to use desktop distro that has one centralized repo with every package known to man including mythtv packages and nearly perfectly stable bleeding edge packages... is this ubuntu?
[02:28] <eyequeue> mdblitz1:  apt-get it
[02:28] <Jesterace> crimsun,  okay done
[02:28] <eyequeue> mdblitz1:  but ubuntu doesn't open any ports by default
[02:28] <stuNNed> crimsun: is there alsa cvs available in ubuntu?
[02:28] <farruinn> spiderworm: I think ubuntu is as close as you're going to get
[02:28] <Jesterace> cd /usr/src/modules/alsa-driver ?
[02:28] <eyequeue> mdblitz1:  unless you added something yourself, the answer should be "nothing"
[02:29] <mdblitz1> ok
[02:29] <squallbsr> zyv: if you cat /dev/ttyS1 and move your mouse, you'll see funky characters if its connected to the mouse (ctrl-c to exit)  thats a good check...
[02:29] <crimsun> stuNNed: cvs? no.
[02:29] <crimsun> stuNNed: 1.0.8 is available in hoary/universe via the 'alsa-source' package.
[02:29] <zyv> i've tried it squallbsr with no success too !
[02:29] <zyv> what's the matter !?!? the ps/2->serial adapter ???
[02:29] <stuNNed> crimsun: yes, my card just got 24-bit support but i have to patch against cvs to use it, i can wait i guess, would be nice though :)
[02:30] <membreya> gah, this webcam is driving me crazy >:(
[02:30] <crimsun> Jesterace: sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source, and say no to PnP, yes to debug, and choose the ca0106 driver
[02:30] <zyv> i've tried serial ports with modems and it works squallbsr
[02:30] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> sun distributes Java with an rpm, can ubuntu handle this ?
[02:30] <spiderworm> farruinn: i used to use debian and i know ubuntu is based on debian, had probs with debian because i was running stable core and everything i wanted was in the unstable branch, trying to run those caused all sorts of problems, does ubuntu also have stable, testing, and unstable?
[02:30] <squallbsr> zyv: http://www.x.org/X11R6.8.2/doc/mouse4.html
[02:30] <zyv> ok thnx squallbsr
[02:30] <eyequeue> spiderworm:  no
[02:30] <Jesterace> crimsun, okay that's done
[02:31] <squallbsr> zyv: if you don't see the characters when moving the mouse, then you have the wrong /dev
[02:31] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> oh whoops, they do have a non rpm version.. nm
[02:31] <spiderworm> eyequeue: everything is considered stable?
[02:31] <zyv> lets try to type it right .. i can't copy/past, i've no mouse ;D squallbsr
[02:31] <eyequeue> spiderworm:  ubuntu's stable is much more recent than debian's, and there is also a development branch called hoary
[02:31] <eyequeue> spiderworm:  warty is stable btw
[02:31] <crimsun> spiderworm: Ubuntu has a stable branch like Debian's stable; its development branch is more akin to Sid but generally more stable because it's only snapshots of Sid.
[02:31] <spiderworm> where can i see the stable package list?
[02:32] <zyv> squallbsr i've plug modems in serial ports and the devices are /dev/ttyS0 and /dev/ttyS1
[02:32] <farruinn> spiderworm: what eyequeue just described to you was was I moved from debian to ubuntu
[02:32] <eyequeue> spiderworm:  i'd recommend starting with warty/stable, since it may be new enough for your needs
[02:32] <hone> do you know when in april hoary is coming out?
[02:32] <crimsun> spiderworm: http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
[02:32] <crimsun> spiderworm: then browse Warty's package list
[02:32] <spiderworm> ok ty
[02:33] <Agrajag> hoary seems pretty stable already though
[02:33] <spiderworm> warty is stable, hoary is testing?
[02:33] <Agrajag> if yuo don't mind dealing with a few dozen megs of updates per day
[02:33] <Agrajag> yes
[02:33] <Agrajag> soon hoary will be stable, and grumpy will be testing
[02:34] <rattboi> when?
[02:34] <mdblitz1> I'm using hoary and it seems to be fine
[02:34] <rattboi> I'm using Hoary, and I think it's pretty great
[02:34] <eyequeue> spiderworm:  there is not direct correleation to debian's testing or unstable, but hoary is the development branch, to become stable next month
[02:34] <stuNNed> Hoary is at Release Candidate 1, right?
[02:34] <rattboi> preview
[02:34] <speedy2781> i found a linux driver my wifi card but it is for an older kernel
[02:34] <speedy2781> will it work?
[02:34] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> hoary is more stable than a mandrake stable release
[02:35] <itamarst> so, I'm logging in to gnome session with gdm
[02:35] <mdblitz1> I used to use mandrake
[02:35] <itamarst> and no program start
[02:35] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> mandrakes days are numbered on my machine
[02:35] <spiderworm> damn.  looks like fedora's pretty installer and booting screen had me deceived
[02:35] <crimsun> Jesterace: now, cd modules/alsa-driver && sudo debian/rules binary_modules KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r)/ KVERS=$(uname -r)
[02:35] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> tired of bugs
[02:35] <itamarst> I rm -rfed all of .gnome, .gconf etc., same thing
[02:35] <mdblitz1> I installed ubuntu a couple of days ago and was amazed
[02:35] <itamarst> suggestions?
[02:35] <speedy2781> how do I load a wifi driver for linux?
[02:35] <itamarst> (running Hoary)
[02:35] <Jesterace> ok
[02:35] <Jesterace> it's compiling
[02:36] <johso> heya peeps :D
[02:36] <mdblitz1> speedy2781: you may have to compile it
[02:36] <stuNNed> rattboi: Preview Candidate 1?
[02:37] <thully> Hi - I was wondering what portable music player in the range of 1-5GB space is good for Ubuntu and is inexpensive? I was thinking iPod (yes, no ogg, but mp3 support is available on Linux and I haven't seen any OGG players in the same price range as the lower end iPods (mini and shuffle)
[02:37] <hone> thully: carbon?
[02:37] <stuNNed> thully: one sec
[02:37] <regeya> thully: well, I don't know how competitive the iRiver stuff is price-wise...eh
[02:38] <johso> having a little trouble with my mixer here - I've unmuted it once and now I can't mute it again?
[02:38] <thully> carbon=no Ogg, and rio has a 90-day warranty vs.Apple's 1 year
[02:38] <regeya> speaking of:  I saw low-end iRiver boxes at the local Best Buy.  Vorbis capability for $99.  sweet.
[02:38] <stuNNed> thully: http://www.jetaudio.com/products/ <-looking at these, supports flac and vorbis
[02:38] <thully> 256MB probably
[02:38] <speedy2781> how would I go about compiling it?
[02:38] <stuNNed> thully: but you probly want to do flac instead of ogg afaik
[02:39] <stuNNed> thully: or stick with mp3
[02:39] <johso> erhm, let me specify that. I have unmuted my mic and now I can't mute it again..
[02:39] <johso> what to do?
[02:39] <regeya> guh.  or don't stick with mp3.  ick.
[02:39] <stuNNed> cuz flac files are huge
[02:39] <speedy2781> how would I compile a wifi driver?
[02:39] <quarupt> anyone got GATOS woring with AMD64
[02:39] <stuNNed> regeya: so i've heard ogg isn't great on portable players for some reason unknown
[02:40] <chizh_> how about supporting realtek ethernet cards?
[02:40] <speel> ./configure make make install
[02:40] <regeya> mp3 == LCD (lowest common denominator)
[02:40] <chizh_> i mean rtl8139D
[02:40] <regeya> stuNNed: poorly supported, takes more processor power
[02:40] <jono> hey all
[02:40] <Jesterace> crimsun,  okay it's finished compiling
[02:40] <thully> FLAC= too huge for portable players 1-5GB
[02:40] <stuNNed> hi jono
[02:40] <jono> hi stuNNed
[02:40] <spiderworm> ok looks like i'll be switching to ubuntu.  the guys in #fedora that "help" others are even pricks.  pardon my french but fsck fedora and fsck them.
[02:40] <regeya> welln not poorly supported...there is the wuzzitcalled engine...uh...hm...nevermind.
[02:40] <speel> spiderworm, lolol
[02:41] <thully> well, #debian is worse, I think
[02:41] <crimsun> Jesterace: cd .. && ls *.deb
[02:41] <regeya> there's some pricks here too, spiderworm, but thankfully few and far between...so far ;-)
[02:41] <regeya> #freebsd!
[02:41] <Jesterace> alsa-modules-2.6.10-4-k7_1.0.8-4ubuntu1_i386.deb
[02:41] <thully> Just mention a winmodem and they will virtually hang you for that
[02:41] <aethyr> is there an ubuntu equivalent of packages.gentoo.org?  (i.e. a place where you can watch for package updates)
[02:41] <stuNNed> regeya: so ogg is bad choice for all portable players that support it?
[02:41] <johso> anyone, please?
[02:41] <membreya_> quarupt: ati software?
[02:42] <thr1ce> ikaro!  i have a question
[02:42] <eyequeue> spiderworm:  two points
[02:42] <crimsun> Jesterace: excellent: sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[02:42] <thully> Also, don't ever dare install Debian via a different method than their installer, or the #debian nuts won't want to help you
[02:42] <eyequeue> spiderworm:  i think ubuntu is a great distro
[02:42] <mdblitz1> aethyr: I believe they call it the "universe" here
[02:42] <spiderworm> eyequeue: yes?
[02:42] <quarupt> membreya, ya
[02:42] <thr1ce> ikaro, you around?
[02:42] <thully> which is why Ubuntu is so good
[02:42] <speedy2781> I have a folder of drivers for realtek to install for my wifi card...but I have no clue how
[02:42] <eyequeue> spiderworm:  i think #ubuntu also provides great support
[02:42] <crimsun> aethyr: the hoary-changes mailing list archive.
[02:42] <aethyr> crimsun: danka
[02:42] <spiderworm> there must be a but coming?
[02:43] <regeya> stuNNed:  not necessarily!  it's the common complaint I've heard about vorbis, though.  too much proc power, blah blah blah, I think most of it is an excuse to not support vorbis.  after all there are people who manage to use vbr mp3s without draining their batteries in a flash
[02:43] <aethyr> er, danke
[02:43] <crimsun> bitte
[02:43] <speedy2781> What are the steps I need to take to install the driver
[02:43] <stuNNed> crimsun: on my laptop with Hoary if i 'dmesg|grep -i dsdt' it says initrd doesn't have a dsdt patch when on bugzilla it says it does...
[02:43] <mdblitz1> speedy2781: are they linux drivers or windows drivers?
[02:43] <eyequeue> spiderworm:  it's nice that both happen together, but a distro can be technically competent without having great people running it, heh
[02:43] <Jesterace> uihoh
[02:43] <ikaro> thr1ce, yes ?
[02:43] <Jesterace> Unloading ALSA sound driver modules: snd-bt87x snd-pcm-oss snd-mixer-oss snd-pcm snd-timer snd-page-alloc (failed; not removed: snd-bt87x snd-mixer-oss snd-pcm snd-timer snd-page-alloc).
[02:43] <stuNNed> regeya: ok thanks
[02:43] <thr1ce> ikaro, what happend to your site?  :(
[02:43] <ikaro> dont have hosting.
[02:43] <regeya> heh...bailey's in my earl grey definitely wasn't the key to waking up :-}
[02:43] <thully> well, I don't think I want to get less than 1GB of space or pay 1.5x as much to get OGG support
[02:43] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> ok, is there a way to add an application to the applications menu? :)
[02:43] <speedy2781> they are linux
[02:44] <crimsun> Jesterace: that's because they're in use
[02:44] <ikaro> thr1ce, hardisk failed in the server.
[02:44] <eyequeue> spiderworm:  yes i'm thinking of a non-linux *nix :)
[02:44] <speel> az[a] zel_ubuntu, right click the go to entire menu then add item
[02:44] <quarupt> membreya, can ya help me?
[02:44] <spiderworm> eyequeue: what do you mean?
[02:44] <Jesterace> crimsun,  it still wants to use my tv card instead of the ca0106 module
[02:44] <hone> thully: yeah I jsut use my pda
[02:44] <regeya> thully:  if you're stuck with mp3 then, I suggest reading the manpage for lame and read up on --preset
[02:44] <spiderworm> eyequeue: bsd?
[02:44] <crimsun> Jesterace: there are two approaches: (1) manually unload the ALSA modules and reload them, or (2) reboot
[02:45] <spiderworm> eyequeue: openbsd or freebsd?
[02:45] <eyequeue> spiderworm:  yes, one of the bsd's, but i don't want to publically badmouth any and start flame wars
[02:45] <spiderworm> oh ok
[02:45] <thully> I've already got a collection of mp3 files... so anything else would mean re-encoding
[02:45] <spiderworm> nm then
[02:45] <spiderworm> lol
[02:45] <neighborlee> anyone unable to load gftp.png as icon under launch properties for gftp app ??
[02:45] <thully> I looked into Rio Karma, but it looks like those all break after 6 months
[02:45] <spiderworm> so hows the ubuntu installer?  easy?
[02:46] <spiderworm> will it have any probs setting up dual boot winXP/ubuntu?
[02:46] <crimsun> curses-based, straight-forward.
[02:46] <thr1ce> ikaro, gone for good?
[02:46] <Jesterace> crimsun, well, it appears to work, I went to systems, preferences, multimedia selector and did a test of alsa and I got a sound tone :)
[02:46] <Jesterace> i ended up modprobe snd-ca0106
[02:46] <crimsun> Jesterace: great :-)
[02:47] <Jesterace> crimsun, thanks a million :)
[02:47] <crimsun> np
[02:47] <Jesterace> I wrote the steps in a notepad and I think I'll post them in the forum for others because I know i'm not the only one with that card :P
[02:47] <Jesterace> as annoying as it is
[02:47] <mseney> if anyone saw my very very far back post in here about my burning problem in nautilus. I solved it.
[02:47] <mseney> Start gconf-> apps->nautilus-cd-burner
[02:47] <mseney> turn burnproof, debug and overburn ON!
[02:48] <speel> any one knows how to get the md5sum of a cdrom?
[02:48] <Jesterace> i seen sblive! and was like whoah and bought it heh knew somethign was up for $30
[02:48] <Jesterace> reboot time
[02:48] <fas3r> hi all
[02:48] <fas3r> i have bought a dwl-g650 and i want to install a antenna, do you know if i unsolder the ULF conector or I make a pigtail's cable with connector type MC??
[02:48] <eyequeue> speel:  md5sum /dev/foo ?
[02:48] <speel> nope =/
[02:48] <stuNNed> crimsun: any ideas on the dsdt or just comment on the closed bug?
[02:48] <eyequeue> speel:  md5sum foo.iso, if it's a disk image
[02:48] <quarupt> membreya, ya there?
[02:48] <speel> well i burned the iso to a disk
[02:49] <crimsun> stuNNed: sorry, could you point me to the bug #?
[02:49] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> hmm, I can create a launcher on the panel, but not in the applications folder.. weird
[02:49] <speel> az[a] zel_ubuntu,  same here lol
[02:49] <ikaro> thully, no. will be up again soon. however im not so sure about the content, as the admin is being a jerk and didnt sent me the database.
[02:50] <stuNNed> crimsun: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3379
[02:50] <ikaro> something will be up soon i hope, how it will look like or you'll find in it, its not so sure yet.
[02:50] <thully> ikaro - ?
[02:50] <ikaro> Oops .. that was for someone else.
[02:52] <quarupt> what package(s) do i need for dvd playback?
[02:52] <mike_douglas> anyone notice that if you enter "failsafe terminal", exit then try to reenter GNOME, you have to chown .ICEauthority to log in
[02:53] <membreya__> gah, my dmesg is suddenly full of FAT: Filesystem panic on my windows mount :|
[02:54] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> well I have azureus going, yay my life is complete
[02:54] <bamm> quarupt: you have to install it manually
[02:55] <crimsun> stuNNed: ok, will look in a bit, busy atm
[02:57] <stuNNed> crimsun: ok thanks
[02:57] <projectmayhem> hey everyone i just downloaded neroLinux debian file... how do i unpackage it?
[02:57] <membreya__> oh damnit, my squid won't start now!
[02:57] <JDahl> projectmayhem, if it's a Debian file, you can install it with dpkg -i xxx.deb
[02:58] <projectmayhem> thx
[02:59] <projectmayhem> it "encountered" some errors but its built for debian not ubuntu so that's expected... hopefully it'll still work, thanks guys!
[02:59] <Amaranth> projectmayhem: What error?
[03:00] <membreya__> my windows mount is listed as a read only drive now :|
[03:00] <Amaranth> membreya__: Drive failure.
[03:00] <projectmayhem> dpkg-deb (subprocess): short read in buffer_copy (failed to write to pipe in copy)
[03:00] <projectmayhem> membreya chmod?
[03:00] <projectmayhem> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste returned error exit status 2
[03:00] <membreya__> projectmayhem: even as sudo I can't write anything to it
[03:00] <Amaranth> projectmayhem: ouch
[03:00] <crimsun> projectmayhem: make sure you have plenty of free space in /var/
[03:00] <Amaranth> membreya__: you need to remount it
[03:00] <projectmayhem> haha really? what'd i do...
[03:01] <Amaranth> membreya__: But if it remounted as ro then the drive is more then likely failing
[03:01] <projectmayhem> membreya go to... http://www.ubuntuguide.org/ it tells you how to automount windows drive...
[03:01] <membreya__> projectmayhem: I have it in my fstab
[03:01] <membreya__> it's worked all along
[03:01] <membreya__> gah
[03:01] <membreya__> is there anything to check a fat fs in linux?
[03:02] <membreya__> or do i need to go to windows?
[03:02] <projectmayhem> membreya sounds like you know more than i do then, i'm still relatively new to ubuntu and linux in general...
[03:02] <Amaranth> whatever you do don't mount that drive again until you've scanned it
[03:02] <Amaranth> so you'll have to do it from linux somehow
[03:02] <Amaranth> google is your friend :)
[03:03] <speel> i hate that damn saying
[03:03] <projectmayhem> crimsun what'd you mean by "make sure you have plenty of space in /var/"?
[03:03] <eb0x> Does anyone know how to setup an IDENTD server for IRC?
[03:03] <membreya__> i only have one drive amaranth
[03:03] <projectmayhem> more correctly, google.com/linux is your friend
[03:03] <crimsun> projectmayhem: that means make sure you have free space in /var, i.e. /var is not full
[03:03] <Amaranth> membreya__: Ouchie, better look for a new one. :p
[03:03] <eb0x> I want XChat to be able to connect using identd
[03:03] <crimsun> eb0x: sudo apt-get install oidentd
[03:03] <Amaranth> membreya__: Unless the FAT fs is just fucked up.
[03:03] <projectmayhem> crimsun its not... but why woudl you say i need space in /var?
[03:03] <eb0x> ty crimsun
[03:04] <crimsun> projectmayhem: because the package needs to be unpacked.
[03:04] <projectmayhem> crimsun oh ok, it installed fine it seems to be working...
[03:04] <speel> eb0x, are you using xchat now?
[03:04] <crimsun> projectmayhem: ok.
[03:05] <projectmayhem> crimsun thx though
[03:05] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#applicationsmenu -- this doesn't seem to work with gnome 2.10
[03:06] <crimsun> az[a] zel_ubuntu: it doesn't, the editing logic was ripped out quite a few months ago.
[03:07] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> great...
[03:07] <eyequeue> eb0x:  are you behind any kind of external firewall machine?
[03:07] <membreya__> doing an fsck to check it now
[03:08] <membreya__> well it's a good excuse to go from a 120gb sata to a 200gb :)
[03:08] <projectmayhem> anyone have trouble w/ LimeWire only working in root? i've changed access privaleges to the folder and everything... can't get it to work
[03:08] <speel> wouldent running it as root be a security risk lol
[03:08] <niterider> hello
[03:08] <FAST> are the gnomebaker packages available thru apt-get ?
[03:08] <projectmayhem> speel only a little ;)
[03:08] <speel> lol
[03:09] <niterider> how do i set the windowing to stop opening new ones each time, i'd prefer it more like kde
[03:09] <projectmayhem> speel its just a little scary that people could be cracking into my system every time i want to download a file... definitely not illegal, copyrighted music files ;)
[03:10] <farruinn> niterider: each time what?
[03:10] <ells> how many people in here are running hoary
[03:10] <speel> im sure itsnot illegal :P
[03:10] <projectmayhem> ells not i
[03:10] <projectmayhem> speel yeah... DEFINITELY not
[03:10] <ells> projectmayhem: I was until recently
[03:10] <farruinn> ells: I installed the preview release to see if an install bug had been fixed
[03:10] <speel> lol
[03:10] <niterider> sorry bad way of asking...the old way that nautilus worked
[03:10] <projectmayhem> ells i have the liveCD though
[03:10] <farruinn> niterider: oh! =)
[03:10] <ells> it jacked up my computer
[03:11] <projectmayhem> ells that's why you gotta stick with the stable version ;)
[03:11] <ells> the new updates would not let me use the gui
[03:11] <farruinn> niterider: Computer>preferences>file manager
[03:11] <projectmayhem> ells ouch
[03:11] <ells> understand, but netapplet will only work in hoary
[03:11] <FAST> if i download a .deb package, how do i install it?
[03:11] <farruinn> niterider: go to the behaviour tab and select "always open in browser mode"
[03:11] <projectmayhem> ells reinstall?
[03:11] <ells> I cannot get it in warty
[03:11] <ells> had to
[03:12] <johso> can I somehovv get verbose output of the volume-controller?
[03:12] <niterider> cool....ty ty
[03:12] <ells> projectmayhem, are you using laptop
[03:12] <farruinn> FAST: if you really must, sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[03:12] <ells> or desktop
[03:12] <projectmayhem> ells nope regular desktop
[03:12] <ells> okay
[03:12] <ells> I am on a toshiba laptop
[03:12] <FAST> thankls
[03:12] <ells> I cannot get netapplet in warty
[03:13] <gilles> The refresh on hoarty has some problems
[03:13] <membreya__> going back into windows people :P
[03:13] <johso> nooo :P
[03:13] <gilles> when I put a file into the trash it doesn't disappear from the screen until i do a refresh
[03:14] <projectmayhem> poor membreya... i pity you
[03:14] <speel> lol
[03:14] <mechamecha> hi
[03:14] <johso> FAST: dpkg -i <pakackage>
[03:14] <ells> does anyone know of a warty source that has netapplet in it
[03:14] <johso> duh
[03:14] <mechamecha> has anyone installed ubuntu w/virtual pc 2004?
[03:14] <projectmayhem> windows serves one purpose for me... half life 2/counterstrike source!
[03:15] <johso> I as a bit longer up in this vvindovv I see..
[03:15] <projectmayhem> ells you have all the apt-get repos enabled? it might be on there maybe?
[03:15] <ells> projectmayhem, mostly, what all do you have
[03:15] <crimsun> does anyone use vlc, specifically wxvlc?
[03:15] <projectmayhem> dunno i followed ubuntuguide.org... lemme see if it'll come up when i apt-get it...
[03:16] <projectmayhem> ells i get "couldn't find package netapplet" so unless it has a diff name you can't get it through apt-get
[03:17] <speel> hmm im tempted to upgrade to hoary ... hmm hard decision
[03:17] <ells> projectmayhem, in hoary you can
[03:17] <projectmayhem> ells did you get hoary fixed? or are you stuck having to use warty?
[03:17] <ells> projectmayhem, I am using warty again
[03:17] <geneo93> speel:  go for it
[03:18] <ells> projectmayhem, it works intiially until the updates start coming in
[03:18] <speel> well last time i install using the cd nautilus would crap out on me
[03:18] <projectmayhem> ells hm... google it? i can't imagine there isn't netapplet for warty out there somewhere...
[03:18] <ells> projectmayhem, I think it has somthing to do with x11
[03:18] <ells> will do
[03:19] <ells> projectmayhem, I have debian on my desktop
[03:19] <ells> it runs differently than ubuntu
[03:19] <projectmayhem> ells i have no experience with debian... only fedora 3 and warty
[03:19] <thully> BTW - speaking of netapplet,is this working well on Hoary currently - last i tried it it crashed a lot
[03:19] <ells> thully: works good in hoary
[03:19] <ells> cant find it for warty though
[03:20] <geneo93> cant u use the src and compile it for warty
[03:20] <speedy2781> I GOT MY WLAN WORKING!!!
[03:20] <speedy2781> DID I MENTION THAT IT TOOK SOMEONE BABYSITTING ME THROUGH IT!!!
[03:21] <ells> geneo93, alot of deps
[03:21] <speel> wooot speedy
[03:23] <geneo93> well i'm converting from mandrake this is much better than lame excuses
[03:23] <projectmayhem> haha ells that could be just a SLIGHT pain in the butt to putt together...
[03:23] <ells> projectmayhem, I agree
[03:25] <xp> hi everyone :)
[03:25] <xp> I am new to ubuntu, I use knoppix, can someone tell me why I should change?
[03:25] <TQuid> Hi folks.
[03:25] <projectmayhem> ells.... here
[03:25] <projectmayhem> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/gnome/netapplet
[03:25] <squallbsr> I have no idea what the root password on this newly install hoary machine - HELP!
[03:26] <projectmayhem> ells that help?
[03:26] <TQuid> Just installed ubuntu, nice system.  Unfortunately it seems to think my slash character is this:  
[03:26] <JDahl> xp, that's an odd question.. if you're happy with Knoppix, then noone is forcing you to change
[03:26] <ells> projectmayhem, am chekcing it now
[03:26] <TQuid> Any clues on fixing that  (Oh, and theres my question mark.  :))
[03:26] <ells> thanks
[03:26] <patl411> im lookin into alternative oses
[03:26] <projectmayhem> ells anytime, glad i could help the community... usually i'm on the opposite end of these conversations...
[03:26] <TQuid> This is a Toshiba Portg 7200, fwiw.
[03:26] <membreya> hooray
[03:26] <membreya> my filesystem LIVES!
[03:27] <projectmayhem> membreya but was it worth having to go into WINDOWS just to fix it? :-p
[03:27] <squallbsr> membreya: congratz
[03:27] <TQuid> Its as if I have a French kbd or something.
[03:27] <ells> I know the deal
[03:27] <membreya> it was because my pc had crashed about 4 times in a row (trying to get the friggin webcam working) so the files for squid became corrupt
[03:27] <squallbsr> is there a default root password on ubuntu hoary installs??  cause it didn't ask me to set it on install
[03:27] <patl411> would u say that ubuntu is better that linspire?
[03:27] <TQuid> squall, ubuntu is rootless
[03:28] <TQuid> It uses sudo for everything.
[03:28] <daniels> TQuid: try running setxkbmap -layout us
[03:28] <TQuid> So Im told, and when I did a rooty thing earlier, my own password worked.
[03:28] <squallbsr> TQuid - you are probably not using the correct keyboard map, is the characters only a problem in X?
[03:29] <TQuid> Hm.
[03:29] <TQuid> That did it.
[03:29] <projectmayhem> squall sudo isn't so bad once you get used to it... its really quite nice and no different from su -root on other distros
[03:29] <ells> projectmayhem, when I open it, is it dpkg -l file
[03:29] <projectmayhem> its dpkg -i file i believe...
[03:29] <projectmayhem> lemme look
[03:29] <ells> thanks
[03:29] <squallbsr> projectmayhem: its useful to know it wanted MY password...
[03:29] <TQuid> squalls, haven't tried non-X.  Maybe it's 'cause I selected Canadian?  Does ubuntu assume I mean Quebecois or something?
[03:29] <projectmayhem> squall haha
[03:29] <squallbsr> projectmayhem: thats 2x today I have misread stuff...
[03:29] <TQuid> sudo roxx0rs.
[03:30] <TQuid> It is the true sysadmin's friend; much improves how root privs are handled, as they're trackable.
[03:30] <TQuid> How do I make that kbd layout change stick over a reboot?
[03:30] <xp> well can anyone tell me if ubuntu is better than knoppix?
[03:30] <geneo93> TQuid:  i have a root pswd
[03:30] <TQuid> I've only ever seen knoppix as a live CD.  I went to ubuntu because someone described it as "Debian without the bullshit."
[03:30] <squallbsr> geneo93 - did you do something like sudo passwd root??
[03:30] <crimsun> xp: as a desktop? absolutely - but why take my opinion? try it yourself.
[03:30] <daniels> TQuid: the default for canadian locales is a french-based keyboard, yeah
[03:30] <daniels> TQuid: this will be fixed
[03:31] <fr500> hello
[03:31] <xp> crimsun why do you think it is better?
[03:31] <squallbsr> TQuid: ubuntu is exactly that, with out the BS
[03:31] <TQuid> daniels:  Aaah.  This Canuck thanks you.
[03:31] <xp> crimsun knoppix won't detect my laptops modem, do you think ubuntu would?
[03:31] <membreya> ok, this is just annoying me now, everytime I reboot I have to uninstall and reinstall barrage
[03:31] <daniels> TQuid: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf, and change Option "XkbLayout" "fr" (or maybe it's us_intl instead of fr) to Option "XkbLayout" "us"
[03:31] <geneo93> xp you have to judge for yourself
[03:31] <daniels> TQuid: along with many others, it seems -- it's a popular bug
[03:31] <membreya> it complains about no sound device available
[03:31] <membreya> oh well :)
[03:31] <TQuid> Danke daniels, that's what I need.
[03:31] <xp> geneo93 come on man, give me some background
[03:32] <daniels> TQuid: enjoy
[03:32] <crimsun> xp: why do I think it's better? because it's clearly desktop-oriented. The packages fit cohesively, unlike Knoppix's mash of apt-get.org. There's a dedicated community around it, from forums to mailing lists to irc channels. The opportunity to get involved is wide open.
[03:32] <geneo93> i've been using linux for many years and i like ubuntu
[03:33] <fr500> is there a way to make services load in background so i get to boot faster?
[03:33] <DarthFrog> geneo93: I'm with you on that.
[03:33] <fr500> i am makieng some sort of media pc, and a faster boot up would be really good for me
[03:34] <JDahl> fr500, I beleive time will work in your favor for that... it's being worked on
[03:34] <fr500> JDahl, hoary?
[03:34] <geneo93> DarthFrog:  hoary here
[03:34] <DarthFrog> geneo93: I'm running Hoary/KDE.
[03:35] <TQuid> Faster?  Dang, it already boots impressively fast, I thought.  Well, compared to FC3.  And hey, fitting all that on one CD--that rocks.
[03:35] <xp> is anyone aware of any good point of sale programs for linux?
[03:35] <geneo93> well i'm using kde atm also
[03:35] <TQuid> xp:  dang, there's one they use at the grocer's just down the street--squirrel, I think it's called?  Not to be confused with squirrelmail.
[03:35] <squallbsr> anybody know if the bugzilla site is supposed to be using a home-grown SSL cert?  or is somebody doing a man in the middle?
[03:35] <JDahl> fr500, I remember seeing boot charts for Fedora, Debian and Ubuntu around half a year ago... they reduced boottime by a factor of 3, I think
[03:35] <fr500> TQuid, for a "media center" pc always more speed is better
[03:36] <fr500> bootup is my only concern
[03:36] <fr500> JDahl, i have seen that, it's quicker now
[03:36] <TQuid> I can respect you'd like it to be still better, fr500.  I just got ubuntu going yesterday so I'm still in the honeymoon stage.
[03:36] <fr500> JDahl, i hope software suspend is working nicely in hoary that would fix things for me
[03:37] <sanmarcos>  Is there a way to see what messages are in the queue of my MTA?
[03:37] <fr500> i'm downloading as we talk
[03:37] <mdblitz1> TQuid: I've had it running for 2 days since switching from mandrake andn I'm still in the honeymoon stage
[03:37] <squallbsr> TQuid: sometimes with anything that honeymoon stage doesn't exist.  I was using gentoo 20 min ago...  was giving me nothing but headaches...
[03:37] <squallbsr> TQuid: now rhythmbox doesn't want to play streams...
[03:37] <eyequeue> sanmarcos:  sure, the man page of your mta should explain how
[03:37] <fr500> i have fc3 suse and ubuntu, ubuntu is the best from noob user standpoint
[03:37] <sanmarcos> eyequeue: thats very helpful
[03:38] <jeff_> if, if i was to run a secure, high performance server should i choose ubuntu or debian
[03:38] <pantz> can anyone tell me what this error means ...
[03:38] <pantz> root@faramir:/home/pantz # modprobe sg
[03:38] <pantz> FATAL: Error inserting sg (/lib/modules/2.6.10-4-386/kernel/drivers/scsi/sg.ko): Invalid module format
[03:38] <TQuid> All my friends tried to push gentoo on me.  I'm really not interested in compiling all my crap, thank you.  Especially when my main home machine is a PIII-350 or something like that.
[03:38] <crimsun> pantz: please update && upgrade. ABI problem introduced by an inotify update that has been reverted in -27
[03:38] <pantz> is the module not built for my running kernel?
[03:38] <TQuid> sanmarcos, mailq.
[03:38] <visor> is it possible to upgrade warthy to hoary from the iso (you know, mounting it and then doing it from synaptic or something alike)?
[03:38] <projectmayhem> thx for the help guys
[03:38] <jeff_> hey guys
[03:39] <Blissex> TQuid: are you sure they are your ''friends''? Friends tell friends to say NO to Gentoo and other ''slow deaths''.
[03:39] <TQuid> *snrk*
[03:39] <mdblitz1> heh
[03:39] <jeff_> what should i run for a secure high performance server, ubuntu or debian?
[03:39] <JDahl> crimsum, you mentioned yesterday that matplotlib still needs some work for python2.4... I installed it for my new Hoary box, and it seems to work flawlessly
[03:39] <crimsun> jeff_: either.
[03:39] <Blissex> jeff_: a powered off PC is very secure...
[03:39] <TQuid> jeff_, depends.
[03:39] <crimsun> JDahl: I'm referring to python-matplotlib
[03:39] <TQuid> How severely are your nuts on the line for it?
[03:39] <mdblitz1> Blissex: I don't think it would serve much though
[03:39] <jeff_> i mean, people are telling me to use debian instead of ubuntu
[03:39] <jeff_> very severely
[03:40] <TQuid> Which has a better support plan?
[03:40] <crimsun> JDahl: hence my reference then to the python transition
[03:40] <geneo93> visor:  just change to repositories to hoary
[03:40] <JDahl> crimsun, oh - ok
[03:40] <jeff_> but i dont really see the main differnece
[03:40] <mdblitz1> ubuntu is easier to use
[03:40] <visor> geneo93: yeah, but i already downloaded the CD so i was wondering... (and i save the bandwith/time) :)
[03:40] <mdblitz1> debian not so much
[03:40] <TQuid> I've been sysadminning a few years now, by myself, and frankly my ability to get help when there's a problem is sometimes a lot more important than the stability as such--nothing is 100% stable & secure.
[03:40] <crimsun> jeff_: in the end, it's the admin that makes the server, not so much the distro.
[03:41] <jeff_> im not concered about ease of use
[03:41] <jeff_> right
[03:41] <TQuid> And if you don't have a backup plan, it's pointless even to quibble about that; if it dies, it kills your business.
[03:41] <visor> TQuid: thats one of the most clever thing i have read in some time the "my ability to get help when there's a problem is sometimes a lot more important than the stability..."
[03:41] <visor> xD
[03:41] <geneo93> visor:  well i'm on 28800 here so i go through same thing
[03:41] <pantz> crimsun, I get the same error after update && upgrade
[03:41] <TQuid> visor:  voice of bitter experience, man.  :)
[03:42] <jeff_> i just want to know, why one would choose debian over ubuntu for serious server use
[03:42] <crimsun> pantz: you have to reboot into the new kernel.
[03:42] <pantz> it didn't update my kernel i don't think
[03:42] <visor> and i have seen that this community around ubuntu is very kind :) feels warm, and its free
[03:42] <fr500> jeff_, i'd use ubuntu and find myself a nice hw firewall
[03:42] <TQuid> jeff_, well, some years ago I had this impression of debian as a "solid" distro; that's kind of marketing though.  Of course, at the time, apt was like a revelation from God compared to the other package maintenance tools.
[03:43] <pantz> crimsun, root@faramir:/home/pantz # uname -a
[03:43] <pantz> Linux faramir 2.6.10-4-386 #1 Fri Mar 11 12:12:36 GMT 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[03:43] <fr500> i have been on for 2 weeks, no probs for me
[03:43] <crimsun> pantz: dpkg -l linux-image-$(uname -r)|grep ^ii|awk '{ print $3 }'
[03:43] <geneo93> jeff_:  i would use bsd for that
[03:43] <Hytak> Hi, I heard comments, and is Ubuntu suited for my pentium2, 233mhz with 128mb of ram?
[03:43] <fr500> jeff_, with on i mean no reboots or anything
[03:43] <pantz> root@faramir:/home/pantz # dpkg -l linux-image-$(uname -r)|grep ^ii|awk '{ print $3 }'
[03:43] <pantz> 2.6.10-27
[03:44] <crimsun> pantz: you need to reboot.
[03:44] <fr500> Hytak, it'll work, works on my PII laptop, slowly for syre
[03:44] <fr500> sure
[03:44] <visor> geneo93: so upgrading from warthy to hoary didnt mess up something? (you know, gnome session or something)
[03:44] <pantz> crimsun, ok hang on
[03:44] <Hytak> Well wich wm you use fr500?
[03:44] <fr500> wm?
[03:44] <Hytak> gui
[03:44] <Hytak> Window manager
[03:44] <fr500> oh
[03:44] <jeff_> yea, well my dsl modem has a firewall built in
[03:44] <fr500> lol
[03:44] <fr500> gnome
[03:44] <jeff_> geneo93, i am thinking bsd as well.
[03:45] <Hytak> HUmm ok... how many ram ou have on your laptop?
[03:45] <geneo93> visor:  didn't for me but that was some time back
[03:45] <fr500> 128
[03:45] <Hytak> And it run.. almost fine?
[03:45] <fr500> well it freezes, because on chip is broke
[03:45] <fr500> windows, fc2, everythig freezes eventually
[03:45] <fr500> but works
[03:46] <Hytak> And what about the system itself?
[03:46] <Hytak> Like, if I use a lighter WM
[03:46] <fr500> it's stable, takes a bit to draw windows but that is to be expected
[03:46] <fr500> i work on an isp so it's a warrior pc, so i use command line mostly
[03:47] <Hytak> Ok
[03:47] <jimarko> hi all!
[03:47] <Hytak> SO, thanks
[03:47] <Hytak> But, is it true that the kernel 2.6 is faster than the 2.4?
[03:47] <makyo> hello! anyone could help me... I'm installing Ubuntu and I can continue with the installation because I get grub frozen at stage 1.5
[03:47] <crimsun> faster? in most cases, yes.
[03:47] <crimsun> but "faster" needs qualification.
[03:48] <makyo> I mean, I can't continue
[03:48] <Hytak> Could you elaborate?
[03:48] <geneo93> i do have hoary with working nvidia also
[03:48] <crimsun> Hytak: many of the subsystems have been overhauled
[03:48] <crimsun> Hytak: scheduler, memory management, block laye
[03:48] <crimsun> r
[03:48] <Hytak> crimsun> I do not understand the word overhauled, not enlgish-native
[03:49] <fr500> crimsun, you mean, it's a bit heavier now? more resource hungry
[03:49] <crimsun> Hytak: changed, updated, improved
[03:49] <fr500> overhauled means remade
[03:49] <fr500> retooled
[03:49] <Hytak> ok
[03:49] <blizah> how do i go about closing ports?
[03:49] <Hytak> So is it better to use the 2.6x or 2.4x?
[03:49] <geneo93> rebuilt
[03:49] <crimsun> fr500: no, I mean they were made more efficient
[03:49] <fr500> ok
[03:49] <crimsun> Hytak: generally speaking, 2.6
[03:49] <blizah> and how do i tell if they are allowing outbound but not inbound, or both etc...
[03:50] <Hytak> I suppose there is something wrong about the 2.6, although...?
[03:50] <gilles> hi
[03:50] <crimsun> Hytak: wrong? no. Sure, like any software, it can be improved...
[03:50] <skreet> Any word on the "corrupt fglrx" issue?
[03:50] <skreet> No new kernel modules etc etc.
[03:51] <Hytak> Ok, thanks. A last question. If I downlaod it tomorrow, wich version of Ubuntu am I better to download?
[03:51] <fr500> is hoary preview considered stable?
[03:51] <skreet> fr500, Works well here.
[03:51] <gilles> Is it possible to have different font and size for different writting on Gnome ? (like a certain font size when it's written in french, another font size when it's written n chinese) ?
[03:51] <skreet> fr500, no major issues.
[03:51] <fr500> lol
[03:51] <makyo> anyone could help me wih grub hanging at stage 1.5 in a new install?
[03:51] <Hytak> 4.10 or 5.04 or...?
[03:51] <fr500> betas worked for me, skreet i mean is it considered a stable release or testin release
[03:52] <skreet> fr500, Oh, it's a preview, I think thats in the middle somewhere?
[03:52] <fr500> ok
[03:52] <crimsun> makyo: see Hytak's question.
[03:52] <fr500> well i'll wait for stable as my wary is working wonders
[03:52] <Hytak> Hu?
[03:52] <makyo> aaah...sorry...didn't know he was asking that to me
[03:52] <skreet> Anyone here running an ATI card with 2.6.10-4 kernels?
[03:52] <dash> skreet: i am
[03:53] <skreet> dash, Did you have any issues getting the fglrx driver working/
[03:53] <dash> skreet: not really
[03:53] <dash> skreet: it doesn't play nice with swsusp, but that's all
[03:53] <skreet> swsusb?
[03:53] <crimsun> skreet: dpkg -l linux-image-$(uname -r)|grep ^ii|awk '{ print $3 }'
[03:53] <dash> suspend-to-disk
[03:53] <skreet> FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.10-4-686/kernel/drivers/video/fglrx.ko): Invalid module format
[03:53] <skreet> Ah.
[03:53] <makyo> I have 4.10
[03:53] <crimsun> skreet: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade, then reboot.
[03:54] <skreet> crimsun, Will try.
[03:54] <Hytak> Thans to answer my questoin, gtg
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[03:54] <Hytak> I wasn't sayin that for that, sry makyo
[03:54] <makyo> oooh
[03:54] <makyo> ok
[03:54] <Hytak> It was relaying to my previous question
[03:54] <crimsun> makyo: have you tried with the Hoary preview?
[03:54] <makyo> no
[03:55] <crimsun> Hytak: I used your statement. :-)
[03:55] <makyo> I would like to go stable
[03:55] <crimsun> makyo: ok. Hoary goes stable in ~3 weeks, so it could certainly use the testing.
[03:55] <dash> anybody here using eclipse on hoary? :)
[03:55] <makyo> I've found other people having the same issue but no real answer...
[03:56] <crimsun> makyo: regarding GRUB problems, though, try searching the wiki (http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/) or the mailing lists.
[03:56] <fr500> crimsun, are the nice gui installer and such included in preview?
[03:56] <crimsun> fr500: curses-based installer.
[03:56] <makyo> I did... but can't find an answer
[03:56] <fr500> crimsun, i havent seen it
[03:56] <crimsun> makyo: and a web search?
[03:56] <fr500> crimsun, what does that mean?
[03:56] <makyo> the same...
[03:56] <crimsun> fr500: similar to the Debian Sarge installer.
[03:57] <fr500> hmmm, lol same thing no idea, let me google for a bit
[03:57] <dash> fr500: it has pretty colors
[03:57] <fr500> ok
[03:57] <dash> fr500: but you can't use the mouse
[03:57] <fr500> lol
[03:57] <makyo> anyone here has had any problem with grub hanging at stage 1.5 during install?
[03:57] <fr500> dash, fc3 best feature is that, the installer
[03:57] <enntee> what's broken about nvidia?
[03:57] <enntee> it seems to be working for me.
[03:58] <dash> fr500: if i installed linux more than i used it, i might be interested!
[03:58] <crimsun> enntee: it's not broken in -27
[03:58] <fr500> fc3 installer is fool proof and noobs dont fear it
[03:58] <geneo93> makyo:  i did so i used lilo
[03:58] <spiderworm> fr500: can i just tell you that from very personal and painful experience of mine and a friend of mine, FC3 sux
[03:58] <enntee> crimsun: ah, nice.
[03:58] <fr500> spiderworm, how?
 how can I uninstall grub and switch to lilo?
[03:59] <fr500> spiderworm, besides it's a bit slow i havent had troubles with it
[03:59] <enntee> I have a question. update-grub is installs five duplicate entries in menu.lst, even though I have "howmany=1" in the config. Any way to fix it?
[03:59] <spiderworm> fr500: well if their tiny collection of fully supported packages is all you need, great.  but as soon as you step outside the box, start to mix repos, all hell will eventually break loose
[04:00] <geneo93> makyo:  i did a reinstall from that point
[04:00] <fr500> spiderworm, happens on every distro, but i agree
[04:00] <dash> fr500: it doesn't happen on every distro
[04:00] <crimsun> enntee: what is the exact syntax of the line?
[04:00] <spiderworm> fr500: sure it does, but from what i can see, the box you cant step out of is much much bigger with ubuntu
[04:00] <fr500> dash, i have manadaged to break all of them :p
[04:00] <dash> fr500: some people are gifted, i suppose
[04:00] <enntee> crimsun: of which line?
[04:01] <fr500> hehe
[04:01] <crimsun> enntee: howmany=
[04:01] <enntee> crimsun: ah, i'll check.
[04:01] <factotum> i suppose that goes with any sort of package management system
[04:02] <fr500> anyone with laptops and hoary?
[04:02] <dash> me!
[04:02] <enntee> crimson: howmany=1
[04:02] <fr500> dash, is "hibernation" working?
[04:02] <dash> yes
[04:02] <fr500> cool
[04:02] <fr500> and Fn keys?
[04:02] <fr500> what brand of laptop?
[04:02] <crimsun> enntee: is that the entire line?
[04:02] <enntee> crimsun: yep!
[04:02] <dash> fr500: ibm thinkpad T42
[04:02] <dash> and yes
[04:02] <mikep> fr500: i tried but internet would not work. went back to warty.
[04:03] <crimsun> enntee: it needs to be in the parsed section, and it needs to be commented out.
[04:03] <enntee> crimsun: ohhh
[04:03] <fr500> mikep, what do you mean? hoary?
[04:03] <crimsun> enntee: e.g.: # howmany=5
[04:03] <enntee> i assumed it needed to be uncommented. i'm lame.
[04:03] <enntee> crimsun: thank you
[04:03] <membreya> anyone here recommend reiserfs as a fs for storage?
[04:03] <fr500> dash, if you use software suspend, on "reboot" you get grub menu or ubuntu at once
[04:03] <fr500> dash, i hope grub menu
[04:03] <mikep> fr500: yes, could not get wireless to work with hoary preview
[04:03] <crimsun> membreya: it works fine as a general-purpose fs
[04:04] <dash> fr500: grub, of course
[04:04] <enntee> membreya: i use it on my file server, no complaints.
[04:04] <membreya> would you recommend it above vfat? :P
[04:04] <fr500> dash, nice, i'll be on hoary in a couple of hours then
[04:04] <dash> fr500: it's _software_ suspend, it doesn't kick in until the kernel boots :)
[04:05] <fr500> dash, lol, still dont understand, but if it works its nice for me
[04:05] <crimsun> membreya: is that a trick question?
[04:05] <fr500> dash, it's for my media center / router /internet pc project, my laptop is my test rig now, and soft suspend will get a faster boot than turning off i guess
[04:06] <membreya> nope, serious question crimsun :P
[04:06] <membreya> it's my windows data drive
[04:06] <dash> fr500: slightly faster
[04:06] <did> did
[04:06] <fr500> hmmm define slightly
[04:06] <membreya> fr500: why not suspend to disk?
[04:06] <dash> fr500: it saves having to login and start things
[04:06] <fr500> membreya, isnt it the same thing?
[04:06] <dash> membreya: that is what he is talking about
[04:06] <drspin> If I want to install graveman from the Hoary repos on my warty system, will upgrading the dependencies break my ubuntu?
[04:06] <fr500> i want suspend ala windoze
[04:06] <dash> fr500: it does not play nice with GLX, in my experience
[04:06] <fr500> that is way faster
[04:07] <fr500> GLX?
[04:07] <membreya> well there's suspend to memory and suspend to disk ..aka suspend / hibernate
[04:07] <dash> yeah, suspend-to-ram does not work very well here
[04:07] <fr500> membreya, cool, that is what i meant then, works out of the box?
[04:07] <dash> fr500: pretty much
[04:07] <membreya> :P
[04:07] <fr500> ok
[04:07] <dash> fr500: just one thing you have to do:
[04:07] <membreya> gah!!! convertfs doesn't do vfat >:(
[04:08] <crimsun> drspin: just use the warty version of graveman.
[04:08] <fr500> dash, shoot
[04:08] <fr500> :p
[04:08] <drspin> crimsun: it's not showing u in my repos
[04:08] <dash> fr500: put resume=/dev/some/volume on your kernel commandline
[04:08] <dash> fr500: giving it a swap volume
[04:08] <drspin> crimsun: but it shows up when I enable the hoary repos
[04:08] <dash> fr500: (so it knows where to load the hibernate from)
[04:09] <fr500> dash, a bigger swap than defautl would be better i guess? it makes a 512mb by default
[04:09] <bcaesar> I have a glx question
[04:09] <dash> fr500: well it needs to be big enough to accomodate everything in ram, to say the least
[04:09] <fr500> downloading at 128kb/s, 40 mins and i'll be trying it
[04:09] <fr500> and with bittorrent, i love being at work
[04:09] <fr500> (for once)
[04:09] <membreya> back to windows to convert the drive to ext3 then to reiserfs :|
[04:10] <gilles> Is it possible to have different font and size for different writting on Gnome ? (like a certain font size when it's written in french, another font size when it's written n chinese) ?
[04:10] <bcaesar> when I try to run the glxgears command I get a segmentation fault, the same happens whenever I try to run the game 'privateer' does anyone know what the problem could be
[04:11] <dash> fr500: do you already have warty installed?
[04:11] <makyo> goooood!!! Ilio works!!! no more hags with grub!!
[04:11] <GhostFreeman> How can you guys sit here and answer TS questions all day
[04:11] <GhostFreeman> it baffles me
[04:11] <membreya> hmmm what reiserfs type does ubuntu use?
[04:12] <fr500> dash, yes i do
[04:12] <regeya> TS?
[04:12] <fr500> dash, but apt-get dist-upgrade killed it for me
[04:12] <dash> fr500: "killed it"?
[04:12] <fr500> well had to fix gnome
[04:12] <GhostFreeman> tech support
[04:12] <fr500> not here though
[04:12] <membreya> ie, does it use reiserfs4?
[04:12] <fr500> i like the iso for reusability, so it's better anyways
[04:12] <Hytak> Hi back, I just remebered something I had to ask: are the kernel source included ? Because I will need them, so...
[04:12] <dash> fr500: also, long experience with debian has taught me to never ever use dist-upgrade :)
[04:13] <fr500> ok
[04:13] <dash> Hytak: there is a source package available
[04:13] <Hytak> On the cd?
[04:13] <dash> Hytak: as well as tools to make debian packages
[04:13] <ago73> Hi all
[04:13] <Hytak> For both 2,4 and 2.6?
[04:13] <fr500> Hymie, are you on dialup?
[04:13] <Hytak> THanks
[04:13] <fr500> that was for Hytak
[04:13] <dash> Hytak: oh, on the CD? hmmm
[04:13] <Hytak> Yes, on the cD
[04:13] <ago73> I cannot modprobe ntfs with 2.6.10-4
[04:13] <ago73> ntfs: disagrees about version of symbol struct_module
[04:14] <Hytak> IF they are not on the cd, where can I get them?
[04:14] <ago73> I am using stock kernel and modules
[04:14] <ago73> any idea?
[04:14] <crimsun> ago73: please update && upgrade, then reboot.
[04:14] <ago73> ok
[04:15] <ago73> thx
[04:15] <crimsun> np
[04:15] <fr500> crimsun, reboot required?
[04:15] <crimsun> fr500: absolutely. You need to be running the new kernel.
[04:15] <fr500> Hytak, thats why i ask if you on dial up
[04:15] <fr500> crimsun, oh ok
[04:15] <Hytak> Yes I am
[04:15] <fr500> Hytak, that kinda suks
[04:15] <crimsun> regeya: multiverse.
[04:16] <Hytak> But the  sunday I have acess to a high-connection
[04:16] <fr500> Hytak, apt sorts almost all of that for you
[04:16] <Hytak> Well, there is ONE problem
[04:17] <Hytak> TO use apt, we need internet. I have dialup. So I need driver for my modem, To install driver for my modem, I need kernel sources.
[04:17] <fr500> hmmm
[04:17] <fr500> Winmodem?
[04:18] <Hytak> Yes.
[04:18] <Hytak> But I have the driver.
[04:18] <fr500> well tomorrow is sunday
[04:18] <Hytak> Yes, I have to know if ther kenel source are included on the cd
[04:18] <Hytak> If not, to download it on an other cd
[04:19] <fr500> o dont think it is
[04:19] <crimsun> Hytak: linux-source-2.6.8.1 is on the cd
[04:19] <Hytak> Where can we find them, so?
[04:19] <Hytak> Ok
[04:19] <Hytak> This is on 4.10 or 5.04?
[04:20] <farruinn> Hytak: 4.10
[04:20] <Hytak> Ok
[04:20] <farruinn> 5.04 has 2.6.10
[04:21] <Hytak> Am I better to download 4.10 or 5.04?
[04:21] <kutucape> 4.10
[04:21] <kutucape> or wait till April
[04:21] <crimsun> Hytak: the Hoary preview if you're looking for current versions O:-)
[04:21] <Hytak> humm
[04:22] <Hytak> I guess  there's nothing wrong with 5.04
[04:22] <fr500> java kinda freezes when loading some applets, wrong place to ask right?
[04:22] <fr500> bowser freezes would be more correct
[04:22] <fr500> browser
[04:23] <SidDithersL> hey guys. I'm new to ubuntu and I really could use some help setting up ndiswrapper. I downloaded ndiswrapper*.deb, and I ran sudo dpkg -i ndiswrapper*.deb but when it finishes it still wont run in the terminal
[04:23] <SidDithersL> :/
[04:23] <dash> SidDithersL: what won't run in the terminal?
[04:23] <SidDithersL> ndiswrapper
[04:23] <SidDithersL> after typing sudo dpkg -i ndis*.deb
[04:23] <regeya> fun fact:  bowser of sha-na-na went to julliard.
[04:23] <fr500> SidDithersL, did u install it as fakeroot?
[04:23] <crimsun> SidDithersL: tried https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper ?
[04:24] <fr500> SidDithersL, are you sure you need it (ndiswrapper)?
[04:24] <SidDithersL> fakeroot? I just opened a root terminal under applications and tried it
[04:24] <SidDithersL> im pretty sure I do fr500
[04:24] <SidDithersL> I dont think my broadcom chip is supported natively
[04:24] <fr500> SidDithersL, you need to type sudo su first
[04:24] <dash> fr500: not if he has a root terminal open
[04:24] <fr500> oh
[04:24] <fr500> lol
[04:27] <SidDithersL> one sec
[04:31] <SidDithersL> rofl
[04:31] <SidDithersL> mozilla that comes with ubuntu cant verify ubuntulinux.org
[04:31] <SidDithersL> as a safe site
[04:31] <SidDithersL> :P
[04:31] <jimarko> hey, speaking of sudo, how many people went and enabled the root account?
[04:32] <geneo91> maybe its not safe
[04:32] <geneo91> me
[04:32] <dash> jimarko: i've been using sudo on all the other boxes i admin for years, i was glad to see that ubuntu enabled it by default :)
[04:35] <Levander> Is there any web application that will let me what choose music to play on the machine that is running the web server?  As opposed to playing the machine on the client?
[04:35] <SidDithersL> I think I enabled it
[04:35] <SidDithersL> and once I can get ndiswrapper up and running i need to disable it again
[04:36] <SidDithersL> ok I followed the ndiswrapper howto
[04:36] <SidDithersL> when i run ndiswrapper -l, it tells me "bcmwl5 hardware present"
[04:36] <SidDithersL> no drivers present
[04:36] <heatxsink> hello all
[04:36] <SidDithersL> and yet, at the same time, iwconfig can find my routers signal, as well as the other networks in my area
[04:36] <SidDithersL> and I have 100% signal strength
[04:36] <SidDithersL> but ndiswrapper still doesnt report the drivers as present
[04:37] <fr500> SidDithersL, maybe your wifi card is supported natively
[04:38] <fr500> fr500, what is the name of the adapter in iwconfig?
[04:38] <fr500> ndiswrapper names it wlan0 i think
[04:38] <heatxsink> I have a Audigy2 ZS sound card, when I ran warty it worked great, when I upgraded to hoary, it seems to still work but no sound is comming out of my speakers, I've checked the mixer channels like master and pcm, and they are both unmuted and at full volume, when I run xmms it plays with no problem, I also checked in Xmms to make sure the right output device was selected, and it works with either ALSA out, or OSS out.  HELP?
[04:38] <SidDithersL> im creating wlan0 in the network config through ubuntu now, gimmie a sec
[04:39] <dash> heatxsink: mmmm fun
[04:39] <heatxsink> dash, yes :-)
[04:39] <heatxsink> dash, I'm thinking when I upgraded I overwrote some config file I shouldn't have
[04:39] <dash> heatxsink: does gdm make noises?
[04:39] <heatxsink> no
[04:39] <SidDithersL> yeah its wlan0 fr50
[04:39] <SidDithersL> *fr500
[04:39] <heatxsink> heatxsink, gdm does not make noise
[04:40] <dash> heatxsink: Hmm. do you have polypaudio installed?
[04:40] <SidDithersL> on a side note
[04:40] <heatxsink> dash, checking
[04:40] <fr500> SidDithersL, weird, maybe it's path issues
[04:40] <fr500> try #ndiswrapper
[04:40] <SidDithersL> in network Settings, when I click the box to activate wlan0, it stays checked for a second, then unchecks itself
[04:40] <heatxsink> dash, no, install?
[04:40] <dash> heatxsink: no
[04:40] <fr500> SidDithersL, try iwconfieg wlan0 essid on
[04:41] <heatxsink> dash, damn..i just did
[04:41] <fr500> SidDithersL, does your ap have DHCP
[04:41] <dash> heatxsink: heheh
[04:41] <dash> heatxsink: it was just a question!!@
[04:41] <dash> ;)
[04:41] <heatxsink> dash, does that make my situtaion worse?
[04:41] <geneo91> SidDithersL:  when you check box then quit app it connects
[04:41] <dash> heatxsink: Maybe
[04:41] <jeff_> when useing lynx
[04:41] <jeff_> where does it usually downlaod to
[04:41] <dash> heatxsink: having it installed gave me symptoms like that
[04:41] <dash> jeff_: to .
[04:41] <heatxsink> okay removed it
[04:41] <SidDithersL> Fr500 it just returned me to the terminal prompt
[04:41] <heatxsink> whew
[04:42] <heatxsink> dash, you have an audigy too?
[04:42] <dash> heatxsink: no
[04:42] <jeff_> dash, was that  joke
[04:42] <jeff_> lol
[04:42] <dash> jeff: no
[04:42] <dash> heatxsink: whenever i have audio problems i use aumix to look at the levels
[04:43] <dash> heatxsink: it shows all of the sliders for the oss mixer :)
[04:44] <thully> hi - I'm happy to say I can ditch Windows now!
[04:44] <dash> thully: HOORJ
[04:44] <thully> I found out that you can use the itunes store on Linux using a GNOME app
[04:44] <dash> yes :D
[04:44] <jimarko> gtkpod :D w00t
[04:45] <thully> no - ipod and the store also
[04:45] <jimarko> oo, really?
[04:45] <thully> there's a third-party client - may have some legal issues though (a la DeCSS)
[04:45] <jimarko> ah, ok
[04:46] <heatxsink> thully, ?
[04:46] <heatxsink> thully, how?
[04:46] <jimarko> wine?
[04:46] <thully> also,you can run the iTunes client in crossover
[04:46] <heatxsink> dman..
[04:46] <mdblitz1> thully: shouldn't have a legal issues itunes is free
[04:46] <heatxsink> dash, damn, still nothing
[04:46] <thully> no - it doesn't use the itunes app - it's a third-party interface for the store
[04:46] <heatxsink> aumix shows everything like the mixer gui
[04:47] <heatxsink> thully, awesome, someone figured out how the webservice works!
[04:47] <mdblitz1> as long as they (apple) are still making money I can't see them caring too much
[04:47] <thully> Also, I think there is a DMCA exception for interoperability
[04:47] <heatxsink> DMCA?
[04:48] <thully> DMCA - Digital Millennium Copyright Act - google it for more info
[04:49] <regeya> you speak of a third-party itunes music store app
[04:49] <crimsun> I use iTunes and export using JHymn
[04:49] <heatxsink> does anyone else in here use a KVM, and find that when they goto another machine then come back to their box with ubuntu, their scroll wheel doesn't work?
[04:49] <jimarko> heatxsink: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fdman&r=f
[04:50] <thully> PyMusique - google it
[04:50] <jimarko> that link has nothing to do with anything technical..
[04:50] <jimarko> btw :D
[04:50] <heatxsink> jimarko, damn you
[04:50] <heatxsink> jimarko, :-)
[04:50] <jimarko> lol, its all good :D
[04:52] <WebMaven> Hi folks, what is the default password for a Hoary LiveCD?
[04:52] <thully> To use that you need all the gstreamer plugins installed
[04:53] <thully> This actually helped sway my decision to get an iPod - native AAC support, so no transcoding necessary
[04:53] <WebMaven> I managed to lock myself out of the desktop, and it says the username is 'ubuntu', but I don't know what the password is.
[04:54] <thully> ubuntu is the password - i think
[04:54] <WebMaven> no, I tried that.
[04:54] <WebMaven> also tried hoary
[04:54] <thully> hmm - dunno - maybe try no password at all?
[04:55] <ryan450> hey gang, got a simple one for ya.. how do I get GCC compiler installed? I used the synaptic package manager to install gcc 3.4, but when I got to compile it says its not in $PATHS
[04:55] <jimarko> can you sudo the command 'passwd' and change the password?
[04:55] <WebMaven> no password doesn't work either.
[04:55] <jimarko> ryan450, try 'apt-get install build-essentials'
[04:56] <WebMaven> jimarko: I suppose I could go to tty1 and change the password, but what's the point with a liveCD?
[04:56] <jimarko> WebMaven, too true..
[04:56] <jimarko> lol
[04:57] <WebMaven> I'm not worried I'll lose any data, after all.
[04:57] <WebMaven> I can just reboot.
[04:57] <WebMaven> But I'd like to know what it is so I don't *have* to reboot.
[04:58] <spiderworm> anybody know of a OSS program for windows i could use to create a cd from an ubuntu iso image?
[04:58] <mkahand> hey all, really quick, what kind of partition should I give hoary? ext3? reiser?
[04:58] <kerframil> mkahand: what kind of filesystem? my vote goes for ext3
[04:58] <Marble2> ext3
[04:58] <dash> mkahand: LVM!!
[04:58] <dash> ;)
[04:59] <mkahand> oh .. now i have two answers
[04:59] <mkahand> does it make a difference?
[04:59] <mkahand> *significant*
[04:59] <dash> ext3 on lvm is awesome
[04:59] <Brunellus_> OK.  anybody know how to set up a network printer?
[04:59] <regeya> ext3
[04:59] <WebMaven> mkahand: are you intending to experiment with filesystems, or do you just want to do the install?
[05:00] <dash> especially since the installer makes it so easy
[05:00] <mkahand> dash, does that mean I select 'physical volume for LVM'?
[05:00] <dash> mkahand: yeah
[05:00] <regeya> if you wnat something solid, ext3
[05:00] <mkahand> webmaven, i just want to install. I'm trying to dual booty
[05:00] <mkahand> boot
[05:00] <mkahand> :)
[05:00] <dash> arrr
[05:00] <WebMaven> ext3, then.
[05:00] <mkahand> ok, thanks
[05:00] <kerframil> mkahand: if you don't know what LVM is then I suggest you avoid it (in brief: you define logical volumes instead of partitions - and this has nothing to do with filesystems per se)
[05:00] <Brunellus_> any experience with little print servers out there?
[05:00] <drspin> dual booty == string(too much work)
[05:01] <dash> Brunellus_: hmm. so you have a printer on your network and you want to connect to it with ubuntu>
[05:01] <drspin> one nice booty usually suffices :)
[05:01] <dash> ?
[05:01] <mkahand> ok, so this ext3 is my second partition... Bootable flag, on/off?
[05:01] <dash> for dual booty you need the experimental pirate extensions for grub
[05:01] <WebMaven> drspin: I disagree. You need two, one is yours.
[05:01] <dash> mkahand: doesn't matter
[05:01] <mkahand> i will still need to go back and install windows
[05:01] <mkahand> ok
[05:02] <drspin> WebMaven: yeah but mine isn't so nice... her's is quite the opposite :)
[05:02] <Brunellus_> dash:  yes.  I have a printer on the network, and I want it to work with warty
[05:02] <WebMaven> drspin: better shape up your booty then, if you want to maintain access to hers... ;-)
[05:02] <Brunellus_> the printer is connected to the network with a little parallel-port printserver thing
[05:03] <dash> Brunellus_: hmm, i haven't used warty so i'm not sure about that
[05:03] <Brunellus_> my windows box sees & prints from it fine as an SMB printer
[05:03] <dash> Brunellus_: but on hoary it's under System->Administration->Printing
[05:03] <drspin> WebMaven: the rest of me is doing pretty good -- she likes it -- and I like showing it off at the lake :)
[05:03] <Brunellus_> looking in smb://workgroup I can see the print server
[05:03] <WebMaven> Ok, so no-one knows what the default password is for a Hoary LiveCD. This is perplexing.
[05:04] <mkahand> by the way, maybe this isnt the place, but those of you who work on ubuntu, you all rock. thank you so much for such a great product
[05:04] <Marble2> ditto
[05:04] <jimarko> indeed
[05:05] <WebMaven> me three.
[05:05] <Brunellus_> when I try to print I get this error:
[05:05] <Brunellus_> Printing: Call timed out: server did not respond after 10000 milliseconds closing remote file Test Page
[05:05] <WebMaven> All right, I guess I'm rebooting the laptop then.
[05:05] <Brunellus_> why is the server not responding?  I assume that it's being found.
[05:06] <WebMaven> bye all.
[05:06] <jimarko> Cya guys, i'm outta here too :D
[05:06] <jimarko> bye
[05:06] <ne1> does anyone know of an ubuntu repository containing a kernel with inotify support (for beagle)?
[05:06] <skreet> Where are power management options in Ubuntu (Hoary)
[05:06] <drspin> anyone pretty good at configuring sound?
[05:06] <fr500> skreet, maybe the battery indicator icon
[05:07] <skreet> No like, automatic suspend and
[05:07] <skreet> such
[05:07] <dash> ne1: hmm. i believe it's in hoary's 2.6.10-4 packages
[05:07] <ryan450> anybody know how to solve this ./configure error? checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[05:07] <dash> skreet: yep, it does that stuff.
[05:07] <skreet> ...
[05:08] <crimsun> ne1: inotify is currently disabled for stability reasons.
[05:08] <skreet> .... "Where are power managment OPTIONS"
[05:08] <skreet> ... so I can turn that *crap* off.
[05:08] <ne1> dash: I'm running that already
[05:08] <fr500> there are some scripts on the acpi folders
[05:08] <skreet> So theres no GUI configuation dialog of power managment?
[05:09] <fr500> i dont think so
[05:09] <skreet> Gah
[05:09] <ne1> crimsun: is there a way to enable it, or is it a kernel recompile?
[05:09] <Marble2> drspin: what'cha need?
[05:09] <dash> ryan450: you need to install xlibs-dev, i bet.
[05:09] <dash> skreet: not sure i understand; what's to configure?
[05:10] <fr500> skreet, pretty sure they are working on that
[05:10] <fr500> dash, he wants to disable
[05:10] <fr500> why not turning off acpi then?
[05:10] <dash> oh, missed that
[05:10] <skreet> dash: Disable Automatic monitor shutoff, disable automatic suspend.
[05:10] <skreet> fr500, I could turn of ACPI i suppose, wheres the Dialog to do that? :D
[05:11] <skreet> It's something they need to impliment nonetheless, exuase my attitude I just spent an hour installing World of Warcraft to get it to crash on me left and right, corrupt file I need to reinstall it all over again and now I'm pissssssed
[05:11] <skreet> Bye.
[05:11] <fr500> skreet, no dialog either you need to chmod 666 acpi service i think
[05:11] <dash> heh
[05:11] <fr500> lol
[05:11] <drspin> Marble2: it's not me it's eb0x -- we've loaded the drivers for his SB Live (same card I have) -- lspci shows the card as a SB Live -- /dev/dsp doesn't EVER show up
[05:11] <crimsun> ne1: enabling it often results in machine crashes (i.e. freezes)
[05:11] <dash> editing /etc/default/acpi-support seems right
[05:11] <fr500> is there a services configuration app like in rh?
[05:12] <Marble2> wow, no idea. sorry :(
[05:13] <drspin> Marble2: no worries, thanks for the attempt ;)
[05:14] <membreya> well, I found out there's no way to convert fat32/ntfs to ext2/ext3...so backing up 80 gb..joy :D
[05:14] <geneo91> i could say this thing is really confused i shows 3 cdroms and i have only 2 a dvd-r and a scsi cdr
[05:14] <drspin> membreya: can I borrow your backup medium when you're done -- I have 50 G of music stored on my NTFS and it's annoying
[05:14] <tizen> drspin: same, but 60
[05:15] <tizen> lol
[05:15] <tizen> 50 i could do almost
[05:15] <mdblitz1> I just keep piles of dvds and cds laying around
[05:15] <tizen> i have a 40 gigger lying here
[05:15] <membreya> going to get a 200gb SATA soon ...but I have to pry myself away from $160AUD
[05:15] <membreya> only got a 120gb right now :(
[05:15] <mdblitz1> couldn't tell you what was on any of them though
[05:15] <drspin> membreya: sell me you're 120 ;)
[05:16] <membreya> :P
[05:16] <drspin> tizen: 40 gigs??? I'll send you some $$$ for it...
[05:16] <ne1> crimsun: ok thanks,
[05:16] <tizen> drspin: nah, it's coming in the system soon
[05:16] <membreya> god..i threw away 2x40gb PATAs
[05:16] <tizen> drspin: I dropped a 15k rpm SCSI drive yesterday
[05:16] <drspin> boo --
[05:16] <tizen> still trying to fix it
[05:16] <tizen> i put it in in the 40gb spot
[05:17] <drspin> tizen: no way -- this other computer has ALL-scsi interfaces...
[05:17] <membreya> mmm 15k :) hot little drive
[05:17] <drspin> and the 15 G in it is full -- with as much as I could get on it...
[05:17] <tizen> i dropped it, and it spins but i can't read it
[05:17] <drspin> tizen: willing to donate and see if I can fix it?
[05:17] <drspin> or get it fixed?
[05:17] <drspin> LOL
[05:18] <tizen> drspin: I'm gonna call the supplier
[05:18] <tizen> see if they'll send it to seagate
[05:18] <drspin> tizen: good call --
[05:18] <drspin> tizen: I just need to sack up and get a usb 2.0 card and an external HD
[05:19] <ryan450> not sure which packages I need, heres the error..... checking for KDE... configure: error:
[05:19] <ryan450> in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail.
[05:19] <ryan450> So, check this please and use another prefix!
[05:19] <ryan450> any ideas gang?
[05:19] <membreya> have you got kde install ryan450 ?:P
[05:20] <nomasteryoda> jeff@mgalug.org
[05:20] <eb0x> Can anyone help me with a sound issue? I've got a Creative SoundBlaster Live! Value sound card. drspin and i have been trying to get this working for the better part of the afternoon, does anybody have any ideas?
[05:22] <geneo91> ebone:  i have the 5.1 card and it seems ok had a few issues with kde but ok now
[05:22] <tizen> eb0x: nothing works at all?
[05:22] <tizen> eb0x: do you have devices in /dev ?
[05:24] <eb0x> no tizen nothing works
[05:24] <eb0x> I have a whole bunch of stuff in /dev
[05:24] <eb0x> and i pasted the list to drspin earlier, and he said there were no audio things in there
[05:25] <tizen> i mean like /dev/audio*
[05:25] <tizen> do you have any of those
[05:25] <geneo91> ebone:  what kernel
[05:25] <eb0x> Nope
[05:26] <eb0x> What is supposed to show up in dmesg |tail?
[05:26] <eb0x> drspin kept asking me to do that
[05:28] <eb0x> someone also said something about a module called emu10k1x or something like that
[05:28] <eb0x> How do i install that module?
[05:29] <geneo91> hmm could be that you have irq conflict
[05:29] <geneo91> ebone:  can you try a different slot for sound card
[05:30] <eb0x> im eb0xx
[05:30] <eb0x> and im not sure
[05:34] <crimsun> eb0x: paste the output of lspci -n -v onto http://pastebin.ca, please
[05:36] <eb0x> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/7342
[05:42] <crimsun> eb0x: audigy?
[05:46] <crimsun> eb0x: ?
[05:47] <geneo91> hmm
[05:47] <geneo91> crimsun:  maybe you could help me with tv card
[05:48] <crimsun> not much experience with tv cards, sorry.
[05:48] <geneo91> yeah this has fm radio also
[05:49] <seadawg> i've got an interesting problem.  i wonder if some brave person wouldn't mind trying to help me...not sure if its with gnome 2.10 or ubuntu
[05:49] <eb0x> crimsun: No
[05:49] <eb0x> crimsun: SoundBlaster Live
[05:49] <tizen> geneo91: What's wrong?
[05:49] <crimsun> eb0x: the system id looks like an OEM Dell sblive
[05:49] <tizen> geneo91: I've only set one up once... And the sound didn't sync correctly
[05:50] <geneo91> well tizen when i try xawtv it just crashes system
[05:50] <crimsun> eb0x: is it in a Dell?
[05:50] <eb0x> crimsun: yes
[05:50] <seadawg> does anybody us LDAP for authentication and have trouble with the sudo items in the Administration menu?
[05:50] <geneo91> and tv time says no input
[05:50] <tizen> geneo91: Ah, we used 'tvtime' never used xawtv
[05:51] <crimsun> eb0x: lsmod|grep ^snd_emu10k1x
[05:51] <geneo91> tizen:  i have us broadcast here but in suse it works fine
[05:51] <ebone> hey geneo91 , you mean eb0x , not ebone . :)
[05:51] <eb0x> root@ubuntu:/home/eb0x # lsmod|grep ^snd_emu10k1x
[05:51] <eb0x> root@ubuntu:/home/eb0x #
[05:52] <tizen> geneo91: tvtime works with any broadcast
[05:52] <tizen> give it a try
[05:52] <Marble2> how do I extract (and use) a .bin?
[05:52] <tizen> Marble2: usually, sh <bin filename> will do everything
[05:52] <crimsun> eb0x: lsmod|grep ^emu10k1
[05:53] <eb0x> root@ubuntu:/home/eb0x # lsmod|grep ^emu10k1
[05:53] <eb0x> emu10k1_gp              3840  0
[05:53] <eb0x> root@ubuntu:/home/eb0x #
[05:53] <Marble2> thanks
[05:53] <crimsun> eb0x: modprobe snd-emu10k1x
[05:53] <eb0x> root@ubuntu:/home/eb0x # modprobe snd-emu10k1x
[05:53] <eb0x> FATAL: Module snd_emu10k1x not found.
[05:53] <eb0x> FATAL: Error running install command for snd_emu10k1x
[05:53] <eb0x> root@ubuntu:/home/eb0x #
[05:54] <crimsun> eb0x: are you running warty or hoary?
[05:54] <eb0x> hoary
[05:54] <eb0x> But it did the same on warty
[05:54] <_Rotund> anyone here that could tell me where to get NVIDIA 7167 drivers for Hoary?
[05:54] <geneo91> hmm thats crazy i could change video source now it seems ok
[05:55] <crimsun> _Rotund: there won't be
[05:55] <heatxsink> Nvidia is broken isn't it?
[05:55] <geneo91> could'nt
[05:55] <crimsun> heatxsink: not with -27
[05:55] <heatxsink> nvidia is broken in hoary with kernel 2.6.10-26 (possibly more)
[05:55] <heatxsink> oh nice nice
[05:55] <eb0x> _Rotund: Refer to the topic.
[05:55] <heatxsink> how do I get that?
[05:55] <_Rotund> I have a 6200Tc that won't work w/o the latest
[05:55] <eb0x> Ubuntu Help | Support Information: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/ | Hoary preview is released! http://releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/ | nvidia is broken in hoary with kernel 2.6.10-26 (possibly more)
[05:55] <nomasteryoda> hey, i just learned from my friend his 8-9 yearold son loves Ubuntu
[05:55] <nomasteryoda> has it on his laptop
[05:55] <_Rotund> oh right -=)
[05:55] <crimsun> _Rotund: then use the installer
[05:55] <eb0x> ;p
[05:56] <_Rotund> yeah.  it KINDA works, but the emul stuff doesn't (I'm on 64-bit too)
[05:56] <crimsun> eb0x: please paste lsmod output onto pastebin.ca
[05:56] <EfaistOs> is hoary quite stable ?
[05:56] <crimsun> in my experience, yes, EfaistOs.
[05:57] <eb0x> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/7343
[05:57] <SidDithersL> does anybody here know why I can't receive information, but I can send it? iwconfig reports Rx is 100%, but Tx has retried several times and has several invalid misc
[05:57] <geneo91> tizen:  seems ok now
[05:58] <EfaistOs> crimsun, because i ned a new version of inkscape which is still to 0.38 in warty and the 0.41 is already available
[05:58] <SidDithersL> just curious if anyone in this channel knows
[05:59] <crimsun> EfaistOs: 0.40 is what Hoary will ship with, more than likely.
[05:59] <EfaistOs> oki
[05:59] <SidDithersL> anyone at all?
[05:59] <crimsun> SidDithersL: need more debugging information.
[05:59] <EfaistOs> i tried to compile it manually but the 0.41 needs libgc which is installed but doesnt work ...
[06:00] <SidDithersL> crimsun, how can I get that for you?
[06:01] <calamari> yay for warty! :)
[06:02] <crimsun> EfaistOs: sudo apt-get install libgc-dev
[06:02] <crimsun> SidDithersL: what does tcpdump tell you?
[06:02] <EfaistOs> crimsun, already installed but the compilation still doesnt work
[06:02] <crimsun> EfaistOs: did you rerun configure?
[06:03] <eb0x> crimsun: did that lsmod thing give you any insight about my stupid computer ;x
[06:03] <EfaistOs> it was installed the first time i run it
[06:03] <crimsun> eb0x: reboot with acpi_irq_isa=7
[06:04] <SidDithersL> crimsun id have to disconnect to tell you
[06:04] <SidDithersL> and thats kind of an oxymoron :P
[06:05] <crimsun> that's fine, I'll be here a while.
[06:05] <EfaistOs> crimsun, it needs 6.4 and i have 6.2
[06:05] <ScislaC> I'm migrating from Mandrake to Ubuntu... there are some files I'm trying to move over from my mdk partition and they're not looking like myself or root have permission... any ideas?
[06:05] <eb0x> crimsun: How do I do that?
[06:05] <SidDithersL> crimsun all it does it report what sites I visit and things like that, which is useless because it cant connect to them anyway
[06:05] <crimsun> ScislaC: root always has permission unless you're using ACLs
[06:06] <crimsun> SidDithersL: no, I want to see what is being sent (and not returned)
[06:06] <ScislaC> crimsun: when I tried via bash it just says "omitting" that dir
[06:06] <SidDithersL> ok hold
[06:07] <crimsun> eb0x: when the grub boot menu comes up after you reboot, hit 'e', scroll to the far right side (end of line) and type acpi_irq_isa=7, then hit enter and press 'b'
[06:08] <eb0x> will it say grub on the thing soemwhere?
[06:08] <eb0x> sorry, i'm very new to *nix
[06:08] <crimsun> eb0x: yes, it's a menu that pops up that allows you to select a kernel
[06:09] <eb0x> okay i'll look for that
[06:09] <eb0x> thanks
[06:09] <eb0x> and i'll be right back i hope
[06:11] <knucks> im having problems with x11 on hoary + nvidia
[06:11] <knucks> i cant load the normal gnome gui
[06:11] <hone> knucks: it's broke I think
[06:11] <crimsun> knucks: update && upgrade
[06:11] <knucks> i get a terminal screen
[06:11] <crimsun> knucks: then reboot
[06:11] <SSidDithersLI> now it seems to be working
[06:11] <knucks> crimsun: eh?
[06:11] <SSidDithersLI> let me see
[06:13] <bestadvocate> any amd64 users with hoary know the status of Mono packages?
[06:14] <knucks> ugh seriously
[06:14] <knucks> can somsone help me?
[06:14] <knucks> i finally got x11 to work
[06:14] <knucks> but i get errorsafter i log in to ubuntu
[06:14] <knucks> but i dont know what they say
[06:14] <knucks> they are popups and are blank
[06:14] <knucks> and i dont get that welcome loading screen thing where all the stuff loads in the bottom part of the splash
[06:15] <crimsun> knucks: what did you do to make the X Window System work?
[06:15] <ace2001ac> knucks: i have nvidia and hoary
[06:15] <knucks> for some reason when i did apt-get remove xserver, it didnt
[06:15] <ace2001ac> knucks: on amd64
[06:15] <knucks> so i had to do it manually
[06:15] <knucks> and then i installed it w/ apt get install
[06:15] <knucks> so i can actually get it back and it seems to be on nvidia drivers
[06:15] <knucks> but now its all weird
[06:16] <knucks> i cant move windows
[06:16] <bestadvocate> knucks: weird.   sometimes I get problems like that,  so I deleated my enter .gnome dirrectory and a couple other dirrectories that are automatically generated and the problem whent away, but i had to move all the menus back the way I like um
[06:16] <knucks> i didnt have this problem before
[06:16] <bestadvocate> but its proboly not he same problem
[06:16] <knucks> in fact, i was happy wit hthe default nv drivers
[06:16] <ace2001ac> knucks: i had it working yesterday but i upgraded and now it doesn't work anymore
[06:16] <knucks> but thne i installed the nvidia ones and it screwed up
[06:16] <crimsun> ace2001ac: update && upgrade, then reboot
[06:17] <ace2001ac> crimsun: ok, i'll try
[06:18] <geneo91> crimsun:  i have hoary and nvidia drivers and have no issues
[06:18] <crimsun> geneo91: have you rebooted in the last 2 days?
[06:18] <ace2001ac> crimsun: i already did
[06:18] <geneo91> oh yes
[06:18] <ace2001ac> crimsun: only new package is wget
[06:19] <crimsun> ace2001ac: what doesn't work anymore?
[06:19] <ace2001ac> crimsun: nvidia module is loaded but glxinfo shows that it isn't working
[06:20] <knucks> ok i loaded into Gnome w/ failsafe
[06:20] <knucks> seems to work fine this way
[06:20] <knucks> but i get this error:
[06:20] <knucks> Error Activating XKB configuration
[06:21] <crimsun> ace2001ac: as in Direct Rendering: no ?
[06:21] <ace2001ac> crimsun: i found the problem
[06:22] <Coily> if i want to use shockwave in linux im pretty much screwed is that correct?
[06:22] <geneo91> OpenGL version string: 1.5.2 NVIDIA 66.29
[06:22] <Coily> anyone?
[06:23] <ace2001ac> crimsun: when i ran 'nvidia-glx-config enable' it apparently didn't change the xorg.conf file properly, or maybe I didn't run it at the right time
[06:23] <Smeven> so
[06:23] <ace2001ac> crimsun: i'll restart X and let you know if it works
[06:23] <crimsun> Coily: shockwave what?
[06:23] <Smeven> how do i turn on autodiscovery with howl on ubuntui
[06:23] <crimsun> Coily: flash? director?
[06:24] <Coily> flash
[06:24] <knucks> guys im running hoary w/ nvidia drivers
[06:24] <knucks> but im currently in Gnome Failsafe
[06:24] <knucks> the rest doesnt seem to work
[06:24] <knucks> somethings weird with the drivers
[06:24] <crimsun> Coily: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:24] <Agrajag> knucks: read the topic
[06:24] <knucks> ahhh!
[06:25] <knucks> any idea when there will be a fix?
[06:25] <knucks> i mean i can stay on failsafe for a while
[06:25] <Agrajag> I dunno
[06:25] <knucks> doesnt bother me right now
[06:25] <knucks> but still :/
[06:25] <crimsun> knucks: that's why I asked you to update && upgrade, then reboot
[06:25] <Coily> crimsun, erm i guess i didnt mean flash
[06:25] <knucks> crimsun: what do u mean?
[06:25] <knucks> i ran apt-get update
[06:25] <knucks> and rebooted..
[06:25] <crimsun> knucks: you didn't run apt-get upgrade after apt-get update
[06:26] <Coily> i mean to be able to play dcr files in firefox
[06:26] <knucks> what would the upgrade do?
[06:26] <Agrajag> that's director
[06:26] <Coily> ok sorry
[06:26] <Agrajag> and there is no plugin for that
[06:26] <geneo91> update all your apps
[06:26] <crimsun> knucks: install a fixed kernel (-27), which was available yesterday morning several hours after the topic was changed.
[06:26] <Coily> is there progress being made to create a plugin?
[06:26] <elmaya> how do i install cursor themes?
[06:26] <Agrajag> I doubt it
[06:27] <Coily> oh well
[06:27] <Teal`c> getting strange problems... loading azereus causes my network connection to freeze, go into a coma like state... ipconfig shows no problem but running route just hangs
[06:27] <Teal`c> with hoary
[06:28] <crimsun> Teal`c: are you using jre/jdk 1.5.0_01?
[06:28] <thully> Before I started using Ubuntu, I was a KDE person.  However, I like the newer releases of GNOME, and I've found I use more GTK apps than QT apps. So, Ubuntu has really made me like GNOME.
[06:28] <Teal`c> ya
[06:28] <crimsun> Teal`c: anything via dmesg pertaining to an oops?
[06:28] <thully> Plus,it's like the older mac interface,which I liked.
[06:28] <Teal`c> 1.5.0 something at least
[06:28] <crimsun> thully: great :-)
[06:29] <thully> which is because one of the original mac engineers has worked on GNOME
[06:29] <thully> I just wish there were better customization options and a better CD burner app
[06:30] <crimsun> thully: tried graveman?
[06:30] <geneo91> i like gcombust
[06:30] <crimsun> honesty, I'm a remnant of the cdrecord days.
[06:31] <AlphaandOmega> hello
[06:31] <thully> hmm - maybe I should try - although I won't be burning much audio since I ordered an ipod mini
[06:31] <kerframil> thully: also, Nero has been ported to Linux
[06:31] <AlphaandOmega> ipods kick ass
[06:31] <Panda> how do i launch gnome from riit?
[06:31] <Panda> root^
[06:31] <AlphaandOmega> I have an ipod photo
[06:31] <thully> yes - saw that - nice to see more linux support
[06:32] <AlphaandOmega> it needs linux software to support it
[06:32] <kerframil> yes, indeed
[06:32] <ubuntu> I just tried booting the AMD64 LiveCD on an AthlonXP system, and it told me to get a 32bit distro.
[06:32] <AlphaandOmega> I can only use the photo feature with my iBook
[06:32] <Panda> what command do i use to launch gnome from "roly@roly $"
[06:32] <thully> ipods don't have OGG, but all my music is in MP3 or AAC format (some music store tracks - btw there are ways touse that on linux too)
[06:33] <Teal`c> i tried the kde burner program but found it interface rather clunky, cdrecord has always been the easiest to use imho
[06:33] <isaac> Panda: gnome-session
[06:33] <crimsun> down with iTunes' m4p - use JHymn!
[06:33] <ace2001ac> crimsun: it works now
[06:33] <Panda> k
[06:33] <crimsun> ace2001ac: great
[06:33] <ace2001ac> crimsun: :)
[06:33] <ubuntu> I thought the AMD Athlon XP was an AMD64 cpu.
[06:33] <isaac> panda: you need to have x running for that to work though
[06:33] <thully> or you can use PyMusique and bypass wine altogether
[06:33] <Teal`c> no,.. xps are k7 cpus
[06:33] <thully> a bit limited, but it works
[06:33] <eb0x> crimsun: i typed e and nothing happened
[06:34] <crimsun> eb0x: was the kernel selected?
[06:34] <kerframil> ubuntu: your AMD64 CD is little better than a coaster for your intents and purposes - grab a plain old x86 one instead
[06:34] <thully> seems much faster than the official itunes client - supports song previews as well
[06:34] <ace2001ac> crimsun: are you a developer or just user?
[06:34] <crimsun> ace2001ac: one of the universe maintainers
[06:34] <eb0x> i dunno
[06:34] <eb0x> it didnt do anythiong
[06:34] <ubuntu> Teal`c, The AMD site says otherwise: http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_3734,00.html
[06:35] <crimsun> eb0x: please paste the output of cat /proc/interrupts onto pastebin.ca
[06:35] <ubuntu> kerframil, what do you mean, a coaster?
[06:35] <Teal`c> Thats an advertisement
[06:35] <SSidDithersLI> guys, just a quick question. What do I need in order to make .config files?
[06:35] <thully> I just wish rhythmbox,gtkpod, and this PyMusique (which is inpart developed by the DeCss guy) could be integrated into one big jukebox program - maybe call it gtunes
[06:35] <kerframil> ubuntu: meaning you might as well use it put your coffee mug on ;) (and btw, the site doesn't say otherwise)
[06:36] <Teal`c> the frame on that webpage with the amd64 stuff really has nothing to do with xp cpus
[06:36] <kerframil> ubuntu: you need a 386 CD, plain and simple
[06:36] <eb0x> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/7350
[06:36] <ace2001ac> crimsun: cool, i have dchroot as the only thing from universe, do you know why it isn't in main? I'm not very familiar with the decision process for Ubuntu, but it seems like chroot would be something cool to have in main :)
[06:37] <crimsun> eb0x: ok, we'll try this way: sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:37] <eb0x> okay
[06:37] <eb0x> im there
[06:37] <crimsun> ace2001ac: "main" is the subset of actively-supported [by Ubuntu]  packages
[06:38] <SSidDithersLI> anybody know at all?
[06:38] <Panda> has anyone ever had the problem when installing ubuntu of an unusually long partitioning under ext3 fs?
[06:38] <crimsun> ace2001ac: there are a variety of reasons it might be in universe; I venture one of the reasons is that no one has volunteered to maintain it
[06:38] <Teal`c> theres no reason to buy an intel chip anymore, except for brand loyalty.  Amd64s kick ass
[06:38] <ubuntu> OK, thanks for the info. I assumed that the Athlon XP was an AMD64 architecture, because it said it was a 64bit chip.
[06:38] <sirius> any spanish speaker?
[06:39] <Teal`c> ubuntu, no, thats just an ad... below it is another ad for the sempron...
[06:39] <kerframil> ubuntu: you must have misinterpreted the information concerned
[06:39] <ace2001ac> crimsun: oh, i was just wondering if there was a active reason to not have it in main
[06:39] <crimsun> sirius: ubuntu-es?
[06:39] <sirius> yes
[06:39] <crimsun> sirius: it may be quiet, though
[06:39] <sirius> but from Argentina
[06:39] <Panda> has anyone ever had the problem when installing ubuntu of an unusually long partitioning under ext3 fs?
[06:39] <ace2001ac> crimsun: it would be good to have cause it's really useful if not necessary for amd64 pc's
[06:40] <sirius> how to upgrade to hoary?
[06:40] <crimsun> ace2001ac: well, this late in the release schedule, it won't migrate from universe->main, perhaps for Bendy - if you'd like to maintain it.
[06:40] <ubuntu> kerframil, how could I misinterpret this: " Leading-edge performance and unparalleled technology with simultaneous 32-bit and 64-bit computing."
[06:40] <sirius> without lossing the info
[06:41] <kerframil> ubuntu: by not observing that (1) it's an advert boxout (2) it shows a large logo saying "AMD Athlon 64"? (3) It shows a link saying "AMD Athlon 64 Desktop Processors" which leads you to an area of the site clearly not related?
[06:41] <kerframil> ubuntu: seeing as you asked ;)
[06:41] <crimsun> sirius: sudo sed 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[06:41] <ubuntu> Aha.
[06:41] <ubuntu> Gotcha.
[06:41] <Teal`c> dude, thats an advertisement.. see its in own frame
[06:42] <sirius> thanks
[06:42] <eb0x> crimsun: what do i do in sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:42] <ace2001ac> crimsun: hmmm... I don't really have any experience maintainng packages :), if the decision is as simple as someone volunteering to maintain it, then I can understand why it's in universe
[06:42] <ubuntu> Ok, ok. I get it now.
[06:42] <kerframil> ubuntu: I believe that processor is their "entry-level" offering (the Opteron is more capable)
[06:42] <crimsun> eb0x: press ctrl+w, then type: # kopt, then press enter
[06:43] <eb0x> crimsun: # kopt=root=/dev/hda1 ro
[06:43] <crimsun> eb0x: scroll to the far right (end of the line), and add acpi_irq_isa=7
[06:43] <thully> I wonder - what's the easiest way to type accented characters on a standard U.S. English keyboard in Hoary?
[06:43] <crimsun> eb0x: (correct, so the line looks like: # kopt=root=/dev/hda1 ro acpi_irq_isa=7)
[06:43] <Teal`c> sempron is probably the entry level model now but it lacks 64bit
[06:44] <Teal`c> until someone figures out how to mod it
[06:44] <sirius> once upgraded i mantain the config of my system , right?
[06:44] <thully> I'm taking Spanish,and needed to enter them and didn't know how, short of switching keyboard layouts
[06:44] <eb0x> ok
[06:44] <thully> taking spanishclass
[06:44] <ubuntu> ok, thanks again.
[06:44] <eb0x> then cntrl x y enter
[06:44] <crimsun> eb0x: when you've done that, press ctrl+x, save it, and exit
[06:44] <Panda> i'm hungry
[06:44] <eb0x> crimsun: ok done
[06:44] <crimsun> eb0x: then, sudo update-grub
[06:45] <crimsun> eb0x: then, reboot
[06:45] <sirius> wich ver. of the kernel is in hoary?
[06:45] <crimsun> sirius: patched 2.6.10
[06:45] <sirius> ok
[06:46] <ells> anyone familiar with debian
[06:46] <bob2> there's 2.6.11, but it's not supported
[06:46] <sirius> but i downloaded the 2.6.11.2
[06:46] <AlphaandOmega> I am considering using Ubuntu
[06:46] <SSidDithersLI> can someone here help me? just a quick question, how can I use .config?
[06:46] <sirius> but i cant make it work
[06:46] <AlphaandOmega> but i got burned with Mepis
[06:46] <SSidDithersLI> what do I need to be able to use that command
[06:46] <zenrox> AlphaandOmega,  and you need to use it
[06:46] <crimsun> ells: a number here are
[06:46] <AlphaandOmega> it uses Bleeding edge shit that was unstable as hell
[06:46] <kerframil> SSidDithersLI: what do you mean exactly?
[06:46] <bob2> SSidDithersLI: you mean "How do I configure a kernel?"?
[06:46] <ells> crimsum: the kernel in mine is old
[06:46] <AlphaandOmega> is there a stable built of Ubuntu?
[06:46] <bob2> AlphaandOmega: ubutnu is a much more serious distro than mepis
[06:46] <zenrox> AlphaandOmega, yes warty
[06:46] <bob2> AlphaandOmega: of course
[06:47] <crimsun> ells: "mine" being your Debian install?
[06:47] <ells> crimsum: it wont auto update
[06:47] <zenrox> and soon to be hoary
[06:47] <ells> yes
[06:47] <SSidDithersLI> I have to add a .config file to a release before I compile it
[06:47] <crimsun> ells: and which flavour of Debian?
[06:47] <SSidDithersLI> and i dont know how
[06:47] <bob2> ells: er, Debian never updates kernels by default
[06:47] <crimsun> ells: (this really should be asked in #debian)
[06:47] <bob2> ells: since that could be terrible
[06:47] <kerframil> SSidDithersLI: make menuconfig, then choose your options
[06:47] <ells> crimsum: it is the one that is network built
[06:47] <bob2> ells: apt-cache search kernel-image
[06:47] <thully> yes - Mepis does look a bit thrown together,and it is developed by 1 person who dislikes the GPLand hasn't done anything about a few bugs that existed in November
[06:47] <bob2> ells: pick one and install it
[06:47] <ells> bob2: I did that downloaded the kernel
[06:48] <ells> but it did not seem to install it like ubuntu
[06:48] <kerframil> SSidDithersLI: if that sounds like hard work then you might prefer to obtain the .config used by the mainstream kernel and drop it in (running make oldconfig)
[06:48] <sirius> once upgraded it keeps my configs?
[06:48] <kerframil> SSidDithersLI: the mainstream Ubuntu kernel package, I mean
[06:48] <thully> yes - the magic of apt-get
[06:48] <SSidDithersLI> make menuconfig failed
[06:48] <SSidDithersLI> O-o
[06:48] <bob2> ells: er, yes it does
[06:48] <bob2> SSidDithersLI: why are you trrying to compile a kernel?
[06:48] <ells> bob2, how will i install it then
[06:48] <SSidDithersLI> im trying to add a .config file to WPA_supplicant
[06:48] <SSidDithersLI> "In wpa_supplicant directory, add .config file so it contains driver support for ndiswrapper and a control interfac"
[06:48] <SSidDithersLI> e
[06:48] <bob2> ells: um? just like you would on ubuntu.  apt-get install kernel-image-blah.
[06:49] <SSidDithersLI> but i can't/dont know how to add it
[06:49] <ells> okay, i did that but it did not install it, even though it seemed to
[06:49] <bob2> SSidDithersLI: I'm pretty sure you don't need to recompile your kernel for that.
[06:49] <ells> It still reads 2.4
[06:49] <AlphaandOmega> I know it sounded like a stupid question
[06:49] <bob2> ells: did you reboot?
[06:49] <thully> I wonder why Mepis was so hyped by some... it even was #1 ondistrowatch at one point
[06:49] <AlphaandOmega> but I learned the hardware you can't take that for granted
[06:49] <SSidDithersLI> I never said I needed to recompile my kernel
[06:49] <ells> yeap
[06:49] <SSidDithersLI> I said I needed to add a .config file to that directory
[06:50] <bob2> thully: there are lots of annoying distro fanboys/girls out there
[06:50] <sirius> anyone knows wich version of Xfree86 is in Hoary?
[06:50] <thully> If you want KDE, both Kubuntu and Kanotix are far better than Mepis
[06:50] <SSidDithersLI> in any case I dont know what the commands are to make a .config file
[06:50] <bob2> SSidDithersLI: er, wpasupplicat is *in* Ubuntu, too.  why are you compiling it at all?
[06:50] <bob2> sirius: it uses X.org
[06:50] <sirius> ough
[06:50] <SSidDithersLI> because I want the latest version
[06:50] <sirius> is it better?
[06:50] <ells> bob2, I will check it again though
[06:50] <orospakr> has anyone had gtk-gnutella segfault the moment they click the "Download" button in the search results? I can confirm this on two separate hoary boxes.
[06:51] <thully> I used to prefer KDE - but tried Kubuntu w/KDE 3.4 and Ubuntu w/GNOME 2.10 and GNOME seemed better
[06:51] <sirius> i mean, graphic rendering, 3D and so
[06:51] <bob2> SSidDithersLI: what's the difference?
[06:51] <SiRrUs> ells to install your kernel type this aptitude install linux-image-kernel name
[06:51] <bob2> sirius: not really. better hardware support, lots of bug fixes.
[06:51] <SSidDithersLI> better support and more stability?
[06:51] <crimsun> orospakr: could you obtain a backtrace via gdb ?
[06:51] <sirius> oh
[06:51] <sirius> ok
[06:51] <kerframil> sirius: it uses xorg-6.8.2 and the differences are marginal (for now)
[06:51] <SSidDithersLI> in any case I need to set it up
[06:52] <ells> SiRrUs: okay
[06:52] <SSidDithersLI> so how can I make that .config file for that folder?
[06:52] <Teal`c> anybody know where i can find plugins for totem so i can play avis/mpeg/etc ?
[06:52] <orospakr> crimsun, yes, it occurs in glib somewhere. :P
[06:52] <sirius> the problem is my graphic card
[06:52] <bob2> SSidDithersLI: you need to talk to whoever wrote the software, I guess
[06:52] <sirius> Sis 730
[06:52] <Teal`c> totem is useless/crippled without them... kind of sad
[06:52] <crimsun> orospakr: where in glib?
[06:52] <sirius> and the DRI
[06:52] <sirius> i cannot make it work the 3D
[06:53] <sirius> 90 FPS, bleh!
[06:53] <bob2> Teal`c: yes, thae state of the governments who force totem to be crippled is quite sad
[06:53] <bob2> Teal`c: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:53] <orospakr> crimsun, #0  0xb7b85a4e in g_strdup () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
[06:53] <orospakr> #1  0xb7bf83f9 in g_value_array_sort_with_data ()
[06:53] <orospakr>    from /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0
[06:53] <eb0x> crimsun: ok added that and restarted
[06:53] <crimsun> orospakr: ok, please file a bug and let me know the bug #.
[06:53] <orospakr> crimsun, ok. :)
[06:53] <crimsun> orospakr: I'll look at it in 30 minutes.
[06:54] <thully> I wish someone could start a Ubuntu-specific marillat type repo - as marillattends to getout of sync w/Ubuntu
[06:54] <thully> sorry, my darned laptop spacebar is acting up
[06:54] <deFrysk> thully, then you get the same repo with another name
[06:54] <crimsun> thully: you may be able to have multiverse syncs
[06:55] <crimsun> thully: though keep in mind it is fairly late in the release schedule
[06:55] <Teal`c> why force new ubuntu users into the american legal paradigm.  If they download from european/canadian/aussie mirror, include those restricted files
[06:55] <thully> no - marillat atthe moment is out of sync w/warty
[06:55] <crimsun> thully: but warty will not be synced again.
[06:56] <crimsun> thully: unless you are referring to my repo...?
[06:56] <thully> yes - but I mean -if someone installs warty now, they willhave trouble with marillat
[06:56] <Teal`c> the u.s. is too big for its own good.. should split it up
[06:57] <crimsun> thully: right, in which case we point them to http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[06:57] <eb0x> crimsun: what do i do now?
[06:57] <crimsun> eb0x: lsmod|grep ^snd_emu10k1x
[06:57] <geneo91> Teal`c:  yes the red states from the blue
[06:57] <thully> marillat is for debian - it syncs to sarge and sid - whatI meant is that I was wishing someone would set up one thatstays insync w/the stable and unstable Ubuntu versions as opposed to debian versions
[06:58] <crimsun> thully: the development branch of Ubuntu does stay synced. I maintain the stable counterpart.
[06:58] <ells> crimsun: the kernel will be the image right
[06:58] <eb0x> root@ubuntu:/home/eb0x # lsmod|grep ^snd_emu10k1x
[06:58] <eb0x> root@ubuntu:/home/eb0x #
[06:58] <crimsun> ells: err, come again? (sorry, lacking context)
[06:58] <mrproper> In horay, where can I get the Sun Java packages?
[06:59] <deFrysk> when will the new nvidia drivers be in ?
[06:59] <crimsun> mrproper: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[06:59] <thully> I actuallyread somewhere that there are some interoperability exceptions in the DMCA... (but they still disallow redistribution)
[06:59] <SSidDithersLI> does anyone here know how to create a .config file? "In wpa_supplicant directory, add .config file so it contains driver support for ndiswrapper and a control interface"
[06:59] <crimsun> deFrysk: I believe it's too late for Hoary.
[06:59] <ells> the kernel will be the file that has the image in it, right
[06:59] <SSidDithersLI> I need to know how to do that :/
[06:59] <deFrysk> crimsun, I hope not
[06:59] <deFrysk> the one now is not good for many people
[06:59] <ells> well, it is now installed, and it is booting it
[06:59] <eb0x> crimsun: root@ubuntu:/home/eb0x # lsmod|grep ^snd_emu10k1x
[06:59] <eb0x> root@ubuntu:/home/eb0x #
[06:59] <crimsun> ells: for Debian, kernel-image-foo; for Ubuntu, linux-image-foo. Yes, it will have /boot/{initrd,vmlinuz}-foo
[07:00] <bob2> SSidDithersLI: dude
[07:00] <bob2> SSidDithersLI: if you actually think this is a useful use of your time, look at the source package for it in Ubuntu
[07:00] <SSidDithersLI> why do you only return when Im asking everyone else except you?
[07:00] <bob2> SSidDithersLI: or actually ask the author
[07:00] <bob2> blah blah blah
[07:00] <SSidDithersLI> if I didn't read the documentation, I wouldnt be here
[07:00] <thully> but there is also those darned software patents - the most insane being "1 click shopping" - are those patent workers being paid minimum wage or something?
[07:00] <crimsun> deFrysk: some people in #nvidia have reported problems with 1.0-7167, too.
[07:00] <crimsun> deFrysk: ...and it's late in Hoary's schedule.
[07:01] <deFrysk> crimsun, someone should make 6.111 packages for hoary
[07:01] <bob2> SSidDithersLI: er?  look at how the Ubuntu source package builds.
[07:01] <bob2> SSidDithersLI: that has the exact answe you're looking for in it
[07:01] <tritium> hey there ells
[07:01] <thully> I wonder why multiverse has allthe LAME packages - but not the gstreamer plugin
[07:01] <crimsun> thully: which gst plugin?
[07:01] <thully> lame
[07:01] <SSidDithersLI> whatever.
[07:01] <kreiger> ok. now then
[07:01] <crimsun> hmm, I didn't even know gst has a supported lame plugin.
[07:02] <thully> yes - it's in restrictedformats
[07:02] <SSidDithersLI> besisdes
[07:02] <bob2> SSidDithersLI: have you actually looked, or are you assuming that I'm concocting a lie to confuse you?
[07:02] <SSidDithersLI> ubuntu doesnt come with wpa_supplicant.
[07:02] <crimsun> thully: hmm, but is that one an official gst one or an unofficial addon?
[07:02] <sirius> hoary comes with OpenOffice 2.0?
[07:03] <deFrysk> sirius, its available
[07:03] <crimsun> sirius: 1.9.74 -> openoffice.org2
[07:03] <deFrysk> in hoary
[07:03] <thully> I'm unsure - I know it's available for fedora, and works decently
[07:03] <kreiger> does anybody here dualboot?
[07:03] <bob2> SSidDithersLI: yes it does
[07:03] <deFrysk> I have it
[07:03] <sirius> thanks
[07:03] <SSidDithersLI> where is it?
[07:03] <bob2> SSidDithersLI: wpasupplicant - Client support for WPA and WPA2 (IEEE 802.11i)
[07:03] <tritium> sirius, apt-cache search openoffice.org2
[07:03] <ells> tritium: what is up man
[07:03] <tritium> ells, not much.  You?
[07:03] <crimsun> eb0x: (apologies.) ok, modprobe snd-emu10k1x
[07:03] <SSidDithersLI> where is it?
[07:03] <sirius> apt-cache? new for me
[07:03] <deFrysk> sirius, it installs it besides the ol d oo
[07:03] <bob2> SSidDithersLI: huh?  in ubuntu.
[07:03] <sirius> i am noob still
[07:03] <SSidDithersLI> where?
[07:03] <eb0x> crimsun: it's okay, thanks for all of your help
[07:03] <ells> tritium: not alot, I got my desktop I built to take linux
[07:04] <eb0x> root@ubuntu:/home/eb0x # modprobe snd-emu10k1x
[07:04] <eb0x> FATAL: Module snd_emu10k1x not found.
[07:04] <eb0x> FATAL: Error running install command for snd_emu10k1x
[07:04] <eb0x> root@ubuntu:/home/eb0x #
[07:04] <SSidDithersLI> synaptic?
[07:04] <tritium> sirius, ok, use synpatic if you prefer.  The package names begin with openoffice.org2
[07:04] <deFrysk> so you can remove the old one if you wish later
[07:04] <ells> I eneded up having to putting debian on the desktop
[07:04] <bob2> SSidDithersLI: please lose the attitude, it's really annoying
[07:04] <tritium> ells, cool
[07:04] <bob2> SSidDithersLI: it's in the universe repository
[07:04] <sirius> right
[07:04] <sirius> synaptic is good
[07:04] <thully> What are the legal guidelines for multiverse, anyway?
[07:04] <tritium> ells, as opposed to ubuntu?  why/
[07:04] <ells> tritium: i got ubuntu on this laptop
[07:04] <SSidDithersLI> thats funny
[07:04] <SSidDithersLI> it doesnt work.
[07:04] <SSidDithersLI> how coincidental
[07:04] <sirius> but i usually use aptitude
[07:04] <tritium> ells, good.  Did you get your ssh server setup?
[07:04] <ells> tritium: the chipset wont take ubuntu for some reason
[07:04] <bob2> SSidDithersLI: "doesn't work" means what?
[07:04] <SSidDithersLI> guess I should download and install it, like I planned.
[07:04] <SSidDithersLI> doesn't work means its not fucking there like you said it was.
[07:05] <SSidDithersLI> thats what it means.
[07:05] <ells> naw, now that both have linux, i do believe it will be easier
[07:05] <tritium> sirius, cool, whatever you prefer ;)
[07:05] <tritium> ells, definitely
[07:05] <crimsun> eb0x: dpkg -l linux-image-$(uname -r)|grep ^ii|awk '{ print $3 }'
[07:05] <sirius> right
[07:05] <tritium> ells, so you put debian rather than ubuntu on the desktop?  why?
[07:05] <sirius> that is the good thing of Linux
[07:05] <sirius> choooosing
[07:05] <ells> tritium: the Sis chipset wont take linux (ubuntu)
[07:05] <deFrysk> sirius, yes
[07:05] <orospakr> crimsun, it won't accept 'gtk-gnutella' in the "Package:" field, it seems. Is unknown appropriate?
[07:05] <ells> tritium: it took debian though
[07:05] <crimsun> orospakr: yes
[07:06] <eb0x> root@ubuntu:/home/eb0x # dpkg -l linux-image-$(uname -r)|grep ^ii|awk '{ print $3 }'
[07:06] <eb0x> 2.6.10-26
[07:06] <eb0x> root@ubuntu:/home/eb0x #
[07:06] <tritium> ells, really?  Hoary?  Warty?
[07:06] <ells> tritium: warty
[07:06] <deFrysk> ells, try hoary
[07:06] <ells> so, I went with debian and it worked
[07:06] <tritium> ells, that's surprising
[07:06] <bob2> SSidDithersLI: please stop being so annoying
[07:06] <deFrysk> its greatly improved
[07:06] <crimsun> eb0x: d'oh! I should have asked you that first!
[07:06] <bob2> SSidDithersLI: I know you're frustrated because you don't understand
[07:06] <SSidDithersLI> hey, when in rome
[07:06] <ells> tritium: tell me bout it
[07:06] <crimsun> eb0x: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[07:06] <bob2> SSidDithersLI: it's in hoary's universe repository
[07:06] <tritium> ells, I would expect Hoary to work
[07:06] <ells> tritium: i had to go back to warty on my laptop
[07:07] <bob2> SSidDithersLI: if apt is too confusing, try synaptic.  wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[07:07] <SSidDithersLI> thats funny, I dont recall saying I was using hoary
[07:07] <Tac> k guys.. stupid question ... what FS did 98 use... im in ubuntu live.. trying to fix a computer... and i want to mkfs to format it ... do i just use fat ? or vfat? or what should i use
[07:07] <tritium> ells, you did?  why?
[07:07] <crimsun> eb0x: after everything finishes installing, reboot
[07:07] <SSidDithersLI> how expected.
[07:07] <orospakr> crimsun, bug #7556. :)
[07:07] <crimsun> orospakr: great, thanks.
[07:07] <sirius> but i still have this doubt, i keep my configs?
[07:07] <ells> tritium: after a few downloads, the gui wouldnt work
[07:07] <SSidDithersLI> and also the period at the end of the sentence. ignored.
[07:07] <tritium> Tac, vfat
[07:07] <bob2> SSidDithersLI: so you're using warty, that's fine.
[07:07] <sirius> my folders?
[07:07] <tritium> ells, which?  all of gnome?
[07:07] <bob2> SSidDithersLI: go get the hoary source package and build it on warty
[07:07] <bob2> SSidDithersLI: also, try being less of a dick to people helping you
[07:07] <ells> yeap
[07:07] <bob2> that'd be awesome
[07:07] <sirius> and Hoary is using Gnome or KDE?
[07:07] <ells> tritium: I was not happy
[07:07] <deFrysk> sirius, both
[07:07] <deFrysk> :D
[07:08] <Tac> should i fsck the device first tritium ?
[07:08] <bob2> sirius: gnome.
[07:08] <sirius> both?
[07:08] <Tac> or just run mkfs with -c
[07:08] <bob2> (by default)
[07:08] <ells> tritium: something to do with the config files
[07:08] <sirius> you can choose where?
[07:08] <deFrysk> I run KDE 3.4 On gnome
[07:08] <sirius> ok
[07:08] <tritium> Tac, not sure there
[07:08] <deFrysk> sirius, you can install KDE after install
[07:08] <sirius> same like wary
[07:08] <tritium> ells, which gui?
[07:08] <deFrysk> make sure to get 3.4
[07:08] <ells> gnome
 eb0x: after everything finishes installing, reboot
[07:08] <eb0x> geezeeeeeeeeee
[07:08] <eb0x> lol
[07:08] <deFrysk> 3.3x does not take
[07:08] <eb0x> ok ;p
[07:09] <ells> tritium: i really miss the netapplet
[07:09] <ells> tritium: for hoary
[07:09] <sirius> the problem of the DRI, it is solved in Xorg?
[07:09] <tritium> ells, but what gui problems did you have?
[07:09] <ells> tritium: aaaahhhhh......none, could not see the screen
[07:09] <ells> totally
[07:10] <ells> crapped out
[07:10] <ells> no viewable screens
[07:10] <tritium> ells, before X loaded, or only after?
[07:10] <ells> tritium: x would not load
[07:10] <ells> had screens but not viewable
[07:10] <ells> or so it said
[07:11] <SSidDithersLI> anybody here use wpa_supplicant? I get an error when trying to make it
[07:11] <tritium> ells, ok, so you could see text mode?
[07:11] <ells> tritium: I even tried debian on my laptop, it worked but did not see my wireless card
[07:11] <ells> tritium: yeap
[07:11] <ells> tritium: kind of pissed ya know
[07:11] <tritium> ells, I wish I was around to help you.  That sounds like you just needed some help configuring xserver-xorg
[07:11] <SSidDithersLI> its rather large though, so if anyone here does use wpa_supplicant and thinks they can help me please PM me so I can send you all the info
[07:12] <ells> tritium: I agree
[07:12] <ells> not a happy time with that one
[07:12] <tritium> ells, you know that yesterday there was a kernel bug for a few hours that prevented loading of nvidia and other modules?
[07:12] <tritium> ells, it was only temporary, and got fixed by today
[07:12] <ells> tritium: that was it
[07:12] <tritium> ells, that was temporary :(
[07:12] <ells> tritium: again, you are the man, I can reload hoary then
[07:12] <SSidDithersLI> when trying to make wpa_supplicant I get a "md5.h:6:25: warning: openssl/md5.h: No such file or directory" error
[07:12] <tritium> ells, you could have booted into one of your old kernel until it was fixed!
[07:13] <SSidDithersLI> and it just snowballs from there. anyone know whats wrong?
[07:13] <ells> okay, I am retarded as we have discussed before
[07:13] <bob2> SSidDithersLI: for a start, install libssl-dev
[07:13] <tritium> ells, no, you're not
[07:13] <tritium> don't say such things
[07:13] <ells> tritium: just kidding
[07:13] <bob2> SSidDithersLI: also, if you'd actually listen to me, you'd be done by now.  the source package has the exact and complete list of packages you have to install before you can bulid it.
[07:13] <tritium> ells, dang, I wish I was around to forewarn you
[07:14] <ells> tritium: it is all good
[07:14] <tritium> ells, it's entirely up to you at this point
[07:14] <tritium> ells, if you want to upgrade to Hoary or not
[07:14] <ells> tritium: I think I will, I like the netapplet
[07:14] <Tac> mkfs -cv -t vfat /dev/hda1 ... it just exxits right away telling me bad blocks
[07:14] <crimsun> eb0x: still here?
[07:14] <Tac> i dont get it
[07:15] <tritium> ells, if you end up downloading and installing from the preview release CD, you could try it on the desktop too ;)
[07:15] <bob2> SSidDithersLI: (hint: apt-cache showsrc wpasupplicant | grep Build-)
[07:15] <ells> tritium: well it always worked until those updates, ya know the auto ones
[07:15] <crimsun> eb0x: there are a few more steps you need to do before you reboot
[07:16] <ells> tritium: Like I said, I even tried debian, but it would not recognize my wireless card
[07:16] <tritium> ells, yes.  I had the same problem.  I just booted into an older kernel until it was fixed.  I would have encouraged you to do the same :(
[07:16] <ells> tritium: let me ask you, is an ath0 wireless chipset supported in 2.4
[07:17] <ells> the kernel that is
[07:17] <zenrox> ells,  no
[07:18] <zenrox> its barly usable in even 2.6
[07:18] <ells> zenrox, that is why debian did not see my wireless card then
[07:18] <zenrox> yep
[07:19] <ells> zenrox, nice to know now
[07:19] <tritium> ells, one moment...sorry
[07:19] <ells> I actually was impressed with the look of debian
[07:19] <ells> tritium: no problem
[07:19] <CompotatoJ> Hey, is there a way to detect scsi devices without restarting ubuntu?
[07:19] <ells> zenrox, I have debian on my desktop and ubuntu on my lapotp
[07:20] <crimsun> eb0x: ping
[07:20] <tritium> ells, okay, sorry
[07:20] <geneo91> CompotatoJ:  if you have scsiadd
[07:20] <ells> tritium: how can I set up my NEW linux desktop to access it
[07:20] <tritium> ells, I'm not familiar with that chipset.  Can you give me more info?
[07:20] <CompotatoJ> geneo91, I do not.
[07:21] <ells> tritium: I mean that is the one that has debain on it
[07:21] <tritium> ells, you can msg me if you like
[07:21] <ells> tritium: need to make it act like a file server
[07:21] <ells> cool
[07:21] <CompotatoJ> geneo91, Should I get scsiadd?
[07:21] <geneo91> CompotatoJ:  i dunno ifs its in ubuntu or not
[07:21] <geneo91> if you can CompotatoJ
[07:21] <CompotatoJ> geneo91, oh, ok, thanks.
[07:23] <ace2001ac> how can you tell which package a file belongs to?
[07:23] <strat_king> i was wondering if anyone knew which repositories i needed for aac, mplayer, mp3 and and mono/monodevelop
[07:23] <ace2001ac> is there a search util?
[07:24] <ScislaC> is gnucash 1.8.9 the most recent ver available for ubuntu?
[07:24] <crimsun> ace2001ac: http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
[07:24] <thully> strat_king: you need universe,multiverse,and marillat, plus cerkinfo if you want gstreamer lame support - restrictedformat wiki tells youwhat todo
[07:24] <tritium> ScislaC, yes, even in hoary
[07:25] <CompotatoJ> Does anyone know a good website for ubuntu x86_64 support? I am trying to add repositories to apt-get but I haven't found any for x86_64
[07:25] <quarupt> anyone else have trouble doing apt-get install fluxbox      on hoary AMD64?
[07:25] <bob2> CompotatoJ: e.g.?
[07:25] <bob2> quarupt: if they did, they'd have asked on the list
[07:25] <ace2001ac> crimsun: do you know if that functionality is available as a util instead of website?
[07:25] <zenrox> quarupt,  will fluxbox support 64bit
[07:25] <geneo91> anyone having issues with xmms in hoary (segfaults)
[07:25] <bob2> ace2001ac: apt-cache search blah
[07:25] <crimsun> quarupt: is universe enabled?
[07:26] <bob2> zenrox: er, all non-useless Free Software runs on 64-bit platforms
[07:26] <crimsun> ace2001ac: install apt-file
[07:26] <CompotatoJ> bob2: e.g. mp3s for rhythm box
[07:26] <bob2> remember Debian has been porting stuff to Alpha for 7 years
[07:26] <ace2001ac> bob2: thanks
[07:26] <zenrox> bob2,  dint know
[07:26] <ace2001ac> crimsun: thanks
[07:26] <bob2> CompotatoJ: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[07:26] <quarupt> yes my sources are fine, it just has error during install
[07:26] <bob2> CompotatoJ: gstreamer0.8-mad is in universe
[07:26] <CompotatoJ> ahhh.. nice =] 
[07:27] <CompotatoJ> thanks bob2
[07:27] <thully> has anyone suggested doing an Ubuntu Weekly News in the format of Debian's - I know there's Traffic, but that's just focused on the mailing lists
[07:27] <bob2> thully: most useful discussion happens on the lists
[07:28] <CompotatoJ> bob2: it says it is i386, not x64
[07:28] <bob2> CompotatoJ: I don't know what you're talking about
[07:28] <ScislaC> tritium: is it not wise for me to try and build it then? (just wondering if there's a specific reason other than no one has done it)
[07:28] <bob2> universe is built for all architecture
[07:28] <bob2> s
[07:28] <thully> well - there is some outside the lists, and I like the formatof debian weekly news
[07:28] <CompotatoJ> bob2: it says it is i386, not x64 wiki--restricted formats
[07:28] <bob2> CompotatoJ: ignore that
[07:28] <bob2> thully: e.g.?
[07:28] <tritium> ScislaC, you certainly can try, if you like.  Is it not up-to-date?
[07:28] <bob2> the forums are useless.  the irc meetings get minuted.
[07:29] <ScislaC> tritium: newest ver is 1.8.11
[07:29] <bob2> thully: but if you want to volunteer to write it, I'm sure it would be appreciated
[07:29] <tritium> ScislaC, I see.  Not sure what to recommend.
[07:29] <tritium> ScislaC, I guess it's your call.
[07:29] <strat_king> quick question, does multiverse work w/ hoary even though dist. says warty?
[07:29] <deFrysk> poit it to hoary
[07:29] <bob2> strat_king: er, no
[07:29] <deFrysk> point
[07:29] <bob2> strat_king: you point it at hoary smultiverse
[07:30] <bob2> CompotatoJ: the amd64 debs are sitting in the archive
[07:30] <thully> bob2: I'm a bit busy,so I don't know if I could maintain it
[07:30] <quarupt> okay wtf?
[07:31] <quarupt> i try to run the update manager but it cant download gksu??  anyone else have the same prob
[07:34] <deFrysk> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install gksu
[07:34] <deFrysk> or something
[07:36] <CompotatoJ> What is the difference between downloading packages as source or binary files
[07:36] <thully> I think that Ubuntu rocks - I actually started using Linux(although dual-booted until recently) with Debian 2.0 aka hamm
[07:36] <tritium> CompotatoJ, you have to build the source packages before they're installable
[07:36] <sirius> anyone knows the use of CEDEGA?
[07:37] <sirius> i get the error 21...
[07:37] <kreiger> Sirius, i do.
[07:37] <sirius> ?
[07:37] <kreiger> well, kinda
[07:37] <kreiger> which game?
[07:37] <sirius> AOC
[07:37] <CompotatoJ> tritium, Is building the source any better?
[07:37] <sirius> or Deadlock
[07:37] <kreiger> oh, no clue look on the forums
[07:37] <geneo91> does anyone know what the package name is for gnomeradio
[07:37] <bob2> CompotatoJ: no
[07:37] <tritium> CompotatoJ, not really
[07:37] <sirius> i make dpkg -i to the .deb
[07:38] <CompotatoJ> okk
[07:38] <sirius> but when trying to execute any .exe get the error 21
[07:38] <speedy2782> my wifi card is recognized, can search with iwlist, and can't connect to the AP i think. can someone walk me through the steps needed to connect?
[07:38] <bob2> speedy2782: disable all access control on the AP, first
[07:39] <sirius> see ya
[07:39] <sirius> i need to sleep
[07:40] <sirius> and Linux rulez!!
[07:40] <HillTop> How do I "zeroed my disk with dd" before installing??
[07:40] <deFrysk> sirius, people who use linux rule
[07:40] <deFrysk> ;p
[07:40] <sirius> haha
[07:40] <sirius> yep
[07:40] <sirius> windoze stinksssssss
[07:40] <sirius> bye
[07:41] <speedy2782> bob2: you mean take off the password to login to it?
[07:41] <CompotatoJ> Is it a dumb idea to have CD Ubuntu as a repository
[07:42] <deFrysk> CompotatoJ, not dumb, but unneeded
[07:42] <CompotatoJ> deFrysk, ok thanks
[07:42] <deFrysk> CompotatoJ, sorry is Is dumb ;p
[07:43] <CompotatoJ> ok
[07:43] <thully> no - isn't dumb - it is actually smart, as it will grab the packages from CD if the latest version is available there
[07:44] <thully> if you have a mega-pipe, it doesn't matter, but on lower speed broadband and dial-up, it does
[07:44] <deFrysk> thully, on slow connections it might be handy, agree
[07:44] <thully> I use it, since my connection downloads at 144kbps
[07:45] <quarupt> which is more stable ESD or ALDA?
[07:45] <quarupt> ALSA*
[07:45] <deFrysk> alsa in the standard
[07:45] <speedy2782> My wlan is active, my eth0 is inactive. I can't seem to connect to AP because I am not sure of the terminal comands. I can't access the internet without the lan connected...even though lan0 is inactive...any suggestions
[07:45] <quarupt> im using Hoary its default was ESD?
[07:46] <thully> ESD uses ALSA - it is a sound server which allows >1 app to use sound atone time
[07:46] <thully> are you thinking of OSS?
[07:46] <quarupt> no im selecting a sound output server, it has ESD, ALSA, or OSS
[07:47] <quarupt> a sink i mean
[07:47] <bob2> speedy2782: I mean, make it so you don't need to play with WEP or whatever
[07:47] <deFrysk> quarupt, try them all and see wich works for you
[07:48] <speedy2782> it isn't my connection to mess with
[07:48] <quarupt> "No use for a name" ROCKSD
[07:48] <speedy2782> or I would
[07:48] <quarupt> oops
[07:49] <bob2> then you need to set your wep key
[07:49] <bob2> and such
[07:49] <bob2> iwconfig eth1 essid blah
[07:49] <bob2> iwconfig eth1 wep blah
[07:49] <bob2> etc
[07:49] <speedy2782> after that what do i do
[07:56] <quarupt> is there somewhere to get more Ubuntu wallpaper?
[07:57] <TQuid> Hi again folks.
[07:57] <TQuid> So, my sound is very . . . weird-sounding on this new install.
[07:58] <TQuid> The X system is definitely trying to make sound . . . stuff comes out the speakers.  But it's like it's going through some bizarre degradation from passing through some hell-dimension.
[07:58] <TQuid> Any clues what that's likely to be?
[07:59] <quarupt> try a diff sink ;)
[07:59] <TQuid> Sorry, not getting what you mean by "diff sink".  Er?
[08:00] <bob2> speedy2782: ?
[08:00] <bob2> speedy2782: then you see if you're associated
[08:00] <TQuid> Looks like it's using alsa, the default.
[08:00] <bob2> then you try to get a dhcp list
[08:02] <thully> just updated Ubuntu RestrictedFormats wiki - to point out issues w/esd and third party plugins
[08:05] <techn9ne> in hoary is there a way to add things to the places menu?
[08:06] <eyequeue> what is a places menu?
[08:07] <techn9ne> the places menu on the menubar
[08:07] <eyequeue> i don't have that
[08:07] <techn9ne> its on hoary
[08:07] <techn9ne> got added in gnome 2.10
[08:07] <eyequeue> what is it for?
[08:08] <techn9ne> i dunno they just reorganized the menus
[08:08] <techn9ne> applications, places, system
[08:08] <techn9ne> its got home, documents, network, drives etc. in it
[08:08] <eyequeue> brisbane, melbourne, london, miami?
[08:09] <eyequeue> "places" is a strange thing to call documents, imo
[08:09] <techn9ne> its not documents its places on your computer and network
[08:10] <eyequeue> "places" on my computer?  ram, cpu, ports?
[08:10] <eyequeue> i guess i don't think the way they do
[08:10] <eyequeue> a place is a physical location to me
[08:11] <helix_> i am having trouble adding the marrillat sources to ubuntu
[08:11] <helix_> i get this problem while updating
[08:11] <helix_> W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[08:11] <helix_> W:
[08:11] <techn9ne> a place isnt a physical location
[08:11] <techn9ne> its a definable spot
[08:12] <geneo91> its still stupid
[08:12] <eyequeue> 1: a point located with respect to surface features of some
[08:12] <eyequeue>            region
[08:12] <techn9ne> ok i dont care i dont work for gnome
[08:12] <techn9ne> its there whether we like it or not
[08:13] <eyequeue> i really have to wonder about them
[08:13] <techn9ne> i like it
[08:13] <eyequeue> well, it's not for me, for a month at least :)
[08:13] <eyequeue> then i'll have to see if i can delete it i guess
[08:14] <Teal`c> ubuntu is going okay so far but it horrid for trying to play an multimedia files with
[08:14] <Rattboi> I am wondering if anyone could tell me the best solution for remotely accessing X
[08:14] <Teal`c> just installed mplayer, vlc, gnome vlc, gmplayer... all fail with stupid errors
[08:14] <techn9ne> eyequeue: i guess.. i think breaking comons taks intol multiple menus makes sense
[08:14] <geneo91> well all of gnome is kinda dumb to me
[08:14] <Teal`c> needs some polish before mass marketing
[08:14] <Rattboi> I know about VNC, but what is the best VNC server?
[08:14] <eyequeue> helix_:  grep nerim /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:14] <techn9ne> Teal`c: get totem-xine
[08:14] <techn9ne> Teal`c: then you need the win32 codecs
[08:14] <crimsun> Rattboi: try the Remote Desktop tool that comes with Warty/Hoary (Vio)
[08:14] <crimsun> Rattboi: err, Vino
[08:14] <Teal`c> ya... tried that too.. fails
[08:15] <techn9ne> why did it fail?
[08:15] <Rattboi> crimsun, I'll check it out
[08:15] <helix_> eyequeue: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[08:15] <Teal`c> command line errors, illegal instruction irrc
[08:15] <helix_> i am running hoary
[08:15] <techn9ne> Teal`c: warty?
[08:15] <crimsun> Teal`c: you can't use mplayer-custom unless you're on a Pentium 4
[08:15] <Teal`c> hoary
[08:15] <techn9ne> are you using latest version?
[08:15] <eyequeue> helix_:  i have "testing" where you have "unstable" and it seems to work here
[08:16] <techn9ne> im using hoary and multimedia works great
[08:16] <Teal`c> ya.. this needs some polishing up .. and really, you guys should dump the u.s. mirrors, screw their legal fiasco
[08:16] <Teal`c> not bad overall
[08:16] <gabaug> where can I manually download ubuntu packages?
[08:16] <crimsun> gabaug: same place, archive.ubuntu.com
[08:16] <eyequeue> helix_:  you can try that perhaps to see if there is an error?
[08:16] <TQuid> gabaug, check /etc/apt/sources.list, that should have urls you can search from.
[08:17] <geneo91> crimsun:  i'm sorry but i dont think ubuntu is reporting my disk usage quite right 4.6 gigs without OO
[08:17] <gabaug> crimsun: okay, I'm at archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/warty/main/binary-i386/ and I don't see any .deb files..
[08:17] <crimsun> gabaug: look in pool/
[08:17] <gabaug> crimsun: ah
[08:18] <helix_> eyequeue: i get the error, now i tried to install mplayer-686 seems to download and install
[08:18] <geneo91> hey theres no water in the pool
[08:19] <geneo91> try i586
[08:19] <helix_> w00t, it works now
[08:19] <eyequeue> helix_:  i'm not sure what app is checking that sig, but it may be a hoary version (i'm on warty here)
[08:20] <eyequeue> helix_:  it's a nice feature, though that archive isn't protected by it sadly
[08:20] <gabaug> crimsun: are .deb's in /poo/ just for warty or hoary or are somehow general? I want to get a copy of a .deb that will work with the basic, non-updated warty install
[08:20] <gabaug> er, /pool/
[08:20] <techn9ne> gabaug: be careful about mixing hoary/warty packages
[08:21] <eyequeue> helix_:  but of course, that's not a ubuntu repository, so it will not always meet the exact same standards
[08:21] <gabaug> techn9ne: ok...how? I don't see how to differentiate them w/ in /pool/
[08:21] <crimsun> helix_: / eyequeue: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary
[08:21] <helix_> eyequeue: i thought so, but it did downloaded and installed mplayer sucessfully
[08:22] <eyequeue> crimsun:  thanks, it's exactly like i guessed it to be :)  glad to see it finally happeneing
[08:22] <crimsun> gabaug: like this? http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/warty/
[08:23] <helix_> crimson: thanks
[08:23] <eyequeue> helix_:  marillat is not exactly consistent with the hoary changes, i guess
[08:23] <helix_> yeah
[08:24] <techn9ne> gabaug: best bet is to either pin, upgrade to hoary or use backports
[08:24] <helix_> hoary is nice indeed, i am really enjoying this ubuntu
[08:24] <gabaug> techn9ne: what do you mean "pin"?
[08:25] <helix_> i got tired of debian long time waiting for upgrading the unstable repository
[08:25] <eyequeue> helix_:  Merge the archive key for debian-marillat into your default user's keyring. If successful, the gpg process will report 'key 1F41B907: public (at the url crimsun gave)
[08:25] <helix_> eyequeue: done
[08:25] <helix_> it update fine now
[08:28] <fabbione> morning
[08:31] <thully> helix_: what do you mean about upgrading the unstable repository?
[08:33] <mak> hey guys, I just installed the Hoary preview... how do i get access to my windows partition?
[08:33] <helix_> i was having trouble adding the marillat repositories to hoary
[08:33] <helix_> mak
[08:34] <mak> what does that mean, helix?
[08:34] <helix_> mount -t ntfs /dev/hda* /ntfs
[08:34] <reon> mak, FAT32 or NTFS ?
[08:34] <helix_> thats if you have ntfs
[08:34] <mak> oh... :) you were getting my attention. fat32
[08:34] <helix_> mount -t vfat /dev/hda* /ntfs
[08:34] <helix_> * == partion number
[08:34] <helix_> but first
[08:34] <helix_> do
[08:34] <helix_> sudo mkdir /ntfs
[08:35] <mak> you mean, fat32?
[08:35] <helix_> oh yes
[08:35] <helix_> my bad
[08:35] <helix_> :|
[08:35] <reon> mak,  http://ubuntuguide.org/#mountunmountfat
[08:35] <helix_> sudo mkdir /fat32
[08:35] <helix_> or just fat
[08:35] <mak> done
[08:35] <reon> mak, working ?
[08:35] <helix_> i bet your windows partion is /dev/hda1
[08:36] <mak> yes, it should be
[08:36] <helix_> then mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /fat
[08:36] <helix_> try ls /fat
[08:36] <helix_> to see if it worked
[08:37] <mak> yeah, it worked
[08:37] <mak> thanks
[08:37] <helix_> :D
[08:37] <mak> is there a way I can put a little link to it on the desktop?
[08:37] <reon> mak, lots of these type of questions get answered in the ubuntuguide, check it out
[08:37] <helix_> you can add it to you /etc/fstab so it would mount at boot up
[08:37] <mak> ok. will do
[08:38] <helix_> and create the mount dir under your desktop
[08:38] <helix_> instead of /fat
[08:38] <mak> um... the guide, as i understood it was mostly for warty... I'm geussing there is enough overlap?
[08:38] <helix_> should be ~/Desktop/fat
[08:38] <helix_> i am running hoary
[08:39] <reon> mak, there is a lot of overlap, some things are different but not much
[08:39] <mak> ok. i'll take a look
[08:46] <I_AM_THAT_I_AM> hello
[08:46] <eb0x> Hello.
[08:47] <geneo93> ebox did you get that sound working
[08:48] <I_AM_THAT_I_AM> I have found ubuntu hardware detection to be outstanding
[08:48] <helix_> I_AM_THAT_I_AM: indeed!
[08:49] <geneo93> sure wish it had a control pannel though
[08:50] <I_Am_God> you can always apt-get kde
[08:50] <I_Am_God> if you want a good control panel anology
[08:51] <geneo93> i have kde
[08:51] <geneo93> i need to fix my usb stuff
[08:52] <geneo93> i have a mobo with genelink and firewire
[08:52] <FUCKER> ack
[08:52] <FUCKER> back
[08:54] <I_AM_Gee_Zuz> hello world
[08:54] <PacoBCN> hi
[08:54] <zyaga> Does anyone know how to setup dual monitors for Ubuntu?
[08:55] <PacoBCN> zyaga, I'm sure there is some HOWTO in the forums
[08:55] <zyaga> I looked in the Wiki.
[08:55] <mak> ok... so i seem to be having some major problems with my sound... anyone have ideas where i can seek help or help me?
[08:55] <zyaga> Though I didnt see anything
[08:55] <PacoBCN> and the readme of your driver is also a help
[08:58] <helll> hey guys...im partitioning my harddrive and i was wondering.. about how big should my swap, /boot, /home, and free space be?
[08:58] <helll> i have 120 gig hd
[08:58] <PacoBCN> well, I guess your swap can be as big as your ram is
[08:58] <cantpinmedown> swap atleast 400GB, boot 1KB / 40000GB and
[08:59] <cantpinmedown> MB
[08:59] <cantpinmedown> sory
[08:59] <geneo93> hehe
[08:59] <gabaug> what packages are essential to building kernel modules that aren't included in the default warty install? (eg gcc...and what else?)
[08:59] <ace2001ac> helll: i have 120GB also, I have 100MB /boot, 1GB swap, 2 10GB root partitions for different distros of linux if i want a second and the rest for home
[09:00] <geneo93> kernel utils
[09:00] <helll> ace2001ac: what about / ?
[09:00] <crimsun> gabaug: build-essential fakeroot linux-headers-$(uname -r) kernel-package
[09:00] <helll> ace2001ac: oh never mind
[09:01] <ace2001ac> helll: ah, ok
[09:01] <zyaga> I've looked on the forums through all the HOWTO's and also through the Sticky's and I still can't find it, how to setup multiple monitors.
[09:02] <geneo93> ace2001ac:  you may want 2 diff home partitions also
[09:03] <ace2001ac> helll: I'm ok with only one, the second distro would only be for testing
[09:03] <gabaug> crimsun: thanks
[09:04] <geneo93> hell i'd give the whole drive for ubuntu
[09:04] <geneo93> there is no other
[09:06] <zyaga> Can anyone tell me how to setup multiple monitors on Ubuntu, been looking on the forums but so far can't find anything.
[09:07] <andros> You need to get acquainted with xinerama, zyaga.
[09:07] <zyaga> xinerama?
[09:07] <andros> Indeed.
[09:08] <andros> Hang on, let me get that wiki page.
[09:08] <zyaga> It doesnt come istalled already does it?
[09:09] <andros> Should be.
[09:09] <zyaga> Hmm.
[09:09] <zyaga> How would I get to it.
[09:10] <PacoBCN> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/XineramaMultipleMonitors
[09:10] <andros> You have to fiddle around in your X config file.
[09:10] <andros> Do you have warty or hoary?
[09:10] <zyaga> Warty.
[09:10] <andros> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/XineramaHowTo/view?searchterm=xinerama
[09:11] <andros> OK, so the config file in question is /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.
[09:11] <mak> can someone tell me where to start in getting my sound to work?
[09:11] <andros> What's wrong with it, mak?
[09:11] <mak> just installed hoary on my laptop, no sound
[09:12] <mak> if i try to play something, that application either does nothing or freezes
[09:12] <andros> hmm.
[09:12] <mak> in the list of devices, i'm not seeing anything that is obviously sound related... though i could be missing somehting
[09:12] <PacoBCN> which sound server are you using?
[09:12] <geneo93> mak did you update things
[09:13] <mak> yes, it told me i had like 64 updates and i did that
[09:14] <PacoBCN> is ALSA your default sound server?
[09:14] <mak> well, i believe so. how would i check?
[09:14] <andros> Go to the System Menu.
[09:15] <PacoBCN> Menu:System->Preferences->Multimedia system selector
[09:15] <mak> yep, there
[09:15] <geneo93> alsamixer would tell you
[09:15] <mak> i selected alsa
[09:15] <mak> test gave errors
[09:15] <andros> OK.
[09:15] <mak> for both
[09:15] <PacoBCN> try killing esd
[09:15] <PacoBCN> "killall esd"
[09:16] <mak> ' no process killed'
[09:16] <zyaga> andros: Have you used Xinerama?
[09:16] <mak> with an esd: in front of that
[09:16] <PacoBCN> weird problem
[09:16] <PacoBCN> warty or hoary?
[09:16] <mak> hoary
[09:17] <PacoBCN> it says error or you just don't hear anything?
[09:17] <geneo93> alsa mixer will tell you what chip is used
[09:17] <mak> Failed to construct test pipeline for 'ALSA - Advanced Linux Sound Architecture'
[09:18] <mak> Failed to construct test pipeline for 'ALSA - Advanced Linux Sound Architecture'
[09:18] <mak> whoops, sorry
[09:18] <mak> Intel 82801DV-ICH?4
[09:18] <mak> Conexant id 30
[09:19] <geneo93> so you have alsamixer open
[09:19] <gtjacket7483> anyone here running on a powerbook
[09:19] <geneo93> check settings
[09:19] <mak> yes, its open
[09:20] <geneo93> maybe its muted
[09:20] <mak> no, master isnt
[09:20] <mak> neither is pcm, headphone
[09:21] <geneo93> pcm
[09:21] <geneo93> hmm
[09:21] <mak> pcm is not muted
[09:22] <geneo93> ac97
[09:22] <orospakr> mdz, sorry about choosing the wrong bug level for 7556.
[09:23] <mak> geneo93, you talkting to me?
[09:23] <mak> i have no ac97
[09:23] <geneo93> yeah
[09:23] <gtjacket7483> anyone know how to change horizontal sync rate
[09:24] <_d4vid> hi all
[09:24] <mak> geneo93, under /proc/asound/cards: it has  Intel 82801DB-ICH4 with unknown codec at 0xe0100c00, irq 17
[09:24] <mak> does that mean anything? the unknown codec
[09:25] <geneo93> oh maybe you need win32 codecs
[09:26] <mak> i'll try
[09:26] <geneo93> your trying to play mp3
[09:26] <mak> mp3 or cd
[09:27] <geneo93> hmm
[09:27] <mak> neither did anything. xmms froze, while the default cd player just did nothing
[09:27] <geneo93> well you should get sounds from gnome any how
[09:28] <mak> right, no such luck
[09:28] <geneo93> the drums sound
[09:28] <mak> nope
[09:28] <geneo93> look on wiki no codecs
[09:31] <StaleFish> hello?
[09:31] <mak> well, I think its bed time. hopefully I'll have better luck another day
[09:31] <mak> gene, thanks for the help
[09:31] <crimsun> mak: sec
[09:32] <mak> oh. you got something, crimsun?
[09:32] <crimsun> mak: cat /proc/asound/modules
[09:32] <crimsun> sorry, I'm debugging gtk-gnutella sigsegv and helping another user get his emu10k1x working, so I haven't been paying attention to this buffer
[09:33] <mak> 0 snd_intel8x0
[09:33] <ScislaC> would ubuntu which is on an ext3 partition have issues reading from an ext2 partition?
[09:33] <crimsun> mak: lsmod|grep ^snd_intel8x0
[09:34] <mak> snd_intel8x0m          17220  0
[09:34] <mak> snd_intel8x0           29984  3
[09:34] <StaleFish> Does anyone know why my packages in Synampic have vanished?
[09:34] <crimsun> mak: aha!
[09:34] <mak> oh?
[09:35] <crimsun> mak: echo "snd-intel8x0m" | sudo tee -a /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[09:35] <crimsun> mak: when you reboot, sound should work.
[09:36] <crimsun> (you don't _have_ to reboot, but the process is far simpler if you do)
[09:36] <mak> snd-intel8x0m
[09:36] <mak> ok.. I guess I'll try now
[09:36] <geneo93> crimsun:  so its getting loaded twice
[09:36] <mak> that was the output
[09:36] <mak> i see
[09:36] <crimsun> geneo93: no, "m" signifies the modem
[09:37] <crimsun> geneo93: in 9 out of 10 cases I've seen, that module being loaded causes problems. It's not always the case, however.
[09:37] <geneo93> so the device was busy then crimsun
[09:38] <crimsun> well, esd/polypaudio was trying to use features that weren't available
[09:38] <geneo93> oic
[09:39] <sfa> hi all
[09:40] <sfa> do you know where's my mistake that gcc giving me a bunch of errors?
[09:40] <sfa> I'm using ubuntu 4.10, gcc 3.3.4
[09:40] <EfentharWireless> What errors? What are you compiling?
[09:40] <sfa> the code is in c++
[09:41] <crimsun> sfa: what are you trying to do?
[09:41] <crimsun> sfa: dpkg -l build-essential|grep ^ii
[09:41] <sfa> only simple program to try the installed gcc
[09:41] <sfa> here what happened
[09:42] <sfa> #include <iostream>
[09:42] <sfa> using namespace std;
[09:42] <sfa> int main()
[09:42] <sfa> {
[09:42] <sfa> cout << "Hi, this is RJ" << endl;
[09:42] <sfa> return 0;
[09:42] <sfa> }
[09:42] <sfa> #gcc testing.cpp
[09:42] <sfa> /tmp/ccE4uWfT.0(.text+0x1b): In function 'main':
[09:42] <sfa> :Undefined reference to 'std::cout'
[09:42] <sfa> /tmp/ccE4uWfT.0(.text+0x20): In function 'main':
[09:42] <sfa> :Undefined reference to 'std::basic_ostream<char,std::char_traits<char>>&std::operator<< <std::char_traits<char>>(std::basic_ostream<char,std::chr_traits<char)>&,char const*)'
[09:43] <sfa> /tmp/ccE4uWfT.0(.text+0x28): In function 'main':
[09:43] <sfa> :Undefined reference to 'std::basic_osream<char,std::char_traits<chr>&std::endl<chr,std::char_traits<char>>(std::basic_ostream<char,std::char_traits<char>>&)'
[09:43] <sfa> /tmp/ccE4uWfT.0(.text+0x30): In function 'main':
[09:43] <sfa> Undefined reference to 'std::basic_ostream<char,std::char_traits<char>>::operator <<(std::bsic_ostream<char,std::chr_traits<char>>&(*)(std:basic_ostream<char,std::char_traits<char>>&))'
[09:43] <sfa> /tmp/ccE4uWfT.0(.text+0x59): In function '__static_initialization_and_destruction_0(int,int)':
[09:43] <sfa> :Undefined reference to 'std::ios_ase::Init::Init[in-charge] ()'
[09:43] <sfa> /tmp/ccE4uWfT.0(.text+0x8a): In function '__tcf_0':
[09:43] <sfa> Undefinde reference to 'std::ios_base::Init::~Init[in-charge] ()'
[09:43] <sfa> /tmp/ccE4uWfT.0(.eh_frame+0x11)
[09:43] <sfa> :Undefined reference to '__gxx_personality_vo'
[09:43] <sfa> collect2:ld returned 1 exit status.
[09:43] <EfentharWireless> Have you got libc++ installed?
[09:43] <sfa> ofcourse
[09:43] <sfa> it is libstdc v3
[09:43] <eb0x> sfa: for that kind of stuff, please paste in #flood or use something like www.nopaste.biz
[09:44] <sfa> heheh sorry... I just thought you guys need the detail
[09:44] <eb0x> its ok, just for future reference ;p
[09:44] <EfentharWireless> sfa, are you trying to complile a c++ program with gcc? you need to be using g++
[09:44] <eyequeue> and you have the -dev of the libraries?
[09:44] <daroot> hi @ all
[09:45] <sfa> iI have had the g++ link with the gcc
[09:45] <eyequeue> it looks like he is trying to compile as root ???
[09:45] <crimsun> sfa: again, please dpkg -l build-essential|grep ^ii
[09:45] <eb0x> daroot: Hi
[09:45] <daroot> yesterday i installed ubuntu an now i want change the default boot os to windows i edited my /boot/grub/menu.lst but i can't save it!
[09:45] <EfentharWireless> sfa, is that english?
[09:45] <crimsun> sfa: your issue is that you lack the appropriate C++ packages
[09:46] <_4strO> daroot> sudo gedit ...
[09:46] <eyequeue> daroot:  sudo before the ex=dit command
[09:46] <eb0x> daroot: How did you try saving it?
[09:46] <sfa> crimsun: ok, I'll try your command when I get home
[09:46] <crimsun> sfa: no, what you need to do is: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[09:46] <mario8723> Hi all!
[09:46] <daroot> i edit with vi and then :wq
[09:47] <eb0x> daroot: try pico or nano
[09:47] <membreya> is there any way to tell what processes are currently using a particular partition ?
[09:47] <eyequeue> daroot:  sudo vi /boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:47] <daroot> yeah i've done with this command but doesn't work
[09:47] <eyequeue> daroot:  sudo is needed for root permissions
[09:47] <sfa> crimsun: what are the c++ packages? I've already installed all in sypnatic package
[09:47] <mario8723> Question for anybody...noob here
[09:47] <eb0x> daroot: :wq isnt a command in pico
[09:47] <crimsun> sfa: just run the command I gave you :-)
[09:48] <mak> crimsun, the sounds work -- some of them
[09:48] <eb0x> daroot: You will control + w .. y .. enter
[09:48] <sfa> eyequeue: can't I use su instead of sudo?
[09:48] <daroot> no it's a command for vi
[09:48] <eyequeue> sfa no
[09:48] <sfa> crimsun: thx crimsun, I'll try it as soon as I get home, in cybercafe now :-)
[09:48] <crimsun> mak: which ones?
[09:48] <eb0x> hey hone
[09:48] <crimsun> sfa: ok :-)
[09:48] <eyequeue> daroot:  sudo
[09:48] <mak> well, the drims and the other system sounds
[09:49] <mario8723> I just downloaded Gnomebaker
[09:49] <crimsun> mak: ok, and which ones don't?
[09:49] <mak> but... xmms still freezes, tried to play a cd and that took 92% cpu cycles
[09:49] <membreya> what's up mario8723 ?
[09:49] <mak> with no sound
[09:49] <mario8723> Tried installing, but getting an error saying I don't have compiler package?
[09:49] <mario8723> I know I'm missing something
[09:49] <eb0x> mario8723: Which package?
[09:49] <sfa> eyequeue: why we have to use sudo while we have powerful su?
[09:49] <eb0x> mario8723: According to the error, which package are you missing?
[09:50] <mario8723> C compiler I believe it said
[09:50] <crimsun> mak: configure XMMS to use the esd output plugin.
[09:50] <eyequeue> sfa:  this is ubuntu, there are security measures designed into it
[09:50] <membreya> sudo apt-get install gcc mario8723
[09:50] <daroot> when i type sudo vi /blablabla then i have to type my password, enter nothing because i never enter a password for sudo/root , and vi doesn't start
[09:50] <mario8723> Ah
[09:50] <mario8723> Lemme try
[09:50] <membreya> is there any way to tell what processes are currently using a particular partition ?
[09:50] <crimsun> mak: as for CD playing, you need to enable DMA for your CD/DVD drive
[09:50] <eb0x> daroot:  you *must* enter a password
[09:50] <eyequeue> daroot:  use *your* password!
[09:51] <mak> ok.. where?
[09:51] <eyequeue> daroot:  the primary user password
[09:51] <daroot> i will try
[09:51] <daroot> how do i save and exit in nano?
[09:51] <netpuppy> alternately you could 'sudo passwd'
[09:51] <crimsun> mak: Options>Preferences>Output Plugins
[09:51] <netpuppy> and set a root password
[09:51] <crimsun> daroot: ctrl+x
[09:51] <eyequeue> daroot:  use vi, which you know
[09:51] <eb0x> daroot: You will control + w .. y .. enter
[09:51] <eb0x> er
[09:51] <eb0x> sorry
[09:51] <eb0x> control +x
[09:52] <netpuppy> anybody got the "new" ati drivers installed?
[09:52] <eyequeue> netpuppy:  better not to advise newbies to subvert the security designed into the system, imo
[09:53] <netpuppy> eyequeue: how does setting a root password sacrifice security?
[09:53] <mak> crimsun, are you talking about xmms or the cd player?
[09:53] <daroot> it works fine :)
[09:54] <daroot> how can i disable the system speaker or the sound which i get in console when i want to delete something and there is nomore anything to delete?
[09:54] <mario8723> membreya: I just installed gcc
[09:54] <Agrajag> netpuppy: here's a scenario, I don't think it's too far gone
[09:54] <eyequeue> netpuppy:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[09:54] <Agrajag> someone gets the IP address of some guy who's running sshd
[09:54] <mario8723> then I cd to the gnomebaker folder and ran ./configure
[09:54] <mario8723> but I'm getting "configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check"
[09:54] <Agrajag> the person running sshd is a raw newbie, doesn't check security logs or anything
[09:55] <mak> crimsun, you are my hero. xmms now works!
[09:55] <mak> now... the cd player...
[09:55] <Agrajag> they set a root password, an easy-to-remember, 5-letter password.
[09:55] <crimsun> mak: great :-)
[09:55] <Agrajag> All someone then has to do is brute-force root, since they already know the username
[09:55] <crimsun> mak: which device is your cd player? primary/secondary master/slave?
[09:55] <daroot> does anyone know how i can listen to shoutcast streams? it must be easy to install :)
[09:55] <mario8723> Can anybody help me?
[09:56] <Agrajag> if they don't know the user name, they can't crack the account
[09:56] <mak> oh... hmm... ist a laptop
[09:56] <eb0x> mario8723: Give me one sec to look that up for you
[09:56] <mario8723> sure
[09:56] <mario8723> thanks
[09:56] <crimsun> mario8723: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[09:56] <mak> daroot, xmms
[09:56] <mario8723> k
[09:56] <eyequeue> it's build-essential night
[09:56] <daroot> and how do i install this?
[09:56] <mario8723> crimsun: done
[09:57] <daroot> is there a tutorial for me noob ;)
[09:57] <mario8723> Now what? Try to ./configure again?
[09:57] <eb0x> mario8723:  Yes
[09:57] <mak> daroot, sudo apt-get install xmms
[09:57] <crimsun> mario8723: yep, and you'll probably run into additional errors
[09:57] <crimsun> mario8723: which means you'll continue to apt-get install <various development packages>
[09:57] <eyequeue> daroot:  http://ubuntuguide.org/
[09:57] <daroot> 3
[09:57] <daroot> 4
[09:58] <daroot> 3
[09:58] <daroot> 4
[09:58] <mario8723> Which I did
[09:58] <netpuppy> Agrajag: well, yeah?
[09:58] <mario8723> Missing libgnomeui-2.0
[09:58] <geneo93> 5
[09:58] <daroot> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[09:58] <daroot>   amarok-gstreamer: Depends: gstreamer0.8-oss but it is not going to be installed or
[09:58] <Agrajag> netpuppy: just saying is all
[09:58] <mario8723> Tried to apt-get but couldn't find package?
[09:58] <Agrajag> also read that wiki page
[09:58] <eb0x> mario8723: apt-get install libgnomeui-2.0
[09:58] <netpuppy> Agrajag: and why couldn't the exact same thing happen if the user were using sudo?
[09:58] <eb0x> mario8723: try that
[09:58] <netpuppy> (and his account got bruteforced)
[09:58] <mario8723> I did, and that's what I got
[09:59] <Agrajag> eb0x: he needs the -dev package
[09:59] <mario8723> Couldn't find package
[09:59] <Agrajag> netpuppy: how do they know his username?
[09:59] <daroot> i got the error "the following packages have unmet dependencies"
[09:59] <mario8723> so I should sudo apt-get install libgnomeui-2.0-dev?
[09:59] <eb0x> mario8723: Try apt-get install libgnomeui-dev
[09:59] <ompaul> daroot > sudo apt-get gstreamer0.8-oss <
[09:59] <mario8723> k
[09:59] <eb0x> go with what ompaul said
[09:59] <eb0x> im also new to linux ;p
[09:59] <mak> crimsun, how do i enabel dma? i think the device is a master, but like i said, its laptop.. so I'm nt sure
[10:00] <netpuppy> Agrajag: most people don't keep their usernames secret
[10:00] <eyequeue> with the word install added
[10:00] <ompaul> daroot, and when it asks for a password that password is yours
[10:00] <bruno_> I used apt-get to install xmmms but i noticed the playing quality is quite bad, any ideas?
[10:00] <membreya_> my gnome is doing some freaky lockups today :|
[10:00] <netpuppy> bruno_: adjust the volume with alsa-mixer
[10:01] <netpuppy> bruno_: don't set it above 74% if you have a cheap (or on-board) sound card
[10:01] <bruno_> wll that get rid of the bad 'distorting'?
[10:01] <mario8723> Btw, as a Linux noob I think places like this are absolutely a godsend
[10:01] <Agrajag> netpuppy: if you scan a block of IPs for running ssh servers, how does that get you the username?
[10:01] <mario8723> Thanks to everybody
[10:01] <netpuppy> bruno_: you /could/ try
[10:01] <daroot> i always got the same error also when i want to install gstreamer0.8-oss
[10:01] <Agrajag> it's at least one more obstacle
[10:01] <bruno_> thnks
[10:02] <membreya_> mario8723: did you get gnomebaker configured?
[10:02] <crimsun> mak: grep ATAPI /var/log/dmesg
[10:02] <netpuppy> Agrajag: I don't know about you, but at least I don't allow root logins over ssh
[10:02] <eb0x> mario8723: Also bookmark www.ubuntuguide.org
[10:02] <Agrajag> netpuppy: some people do
[10:02] <mario8723> Already did, thanks eb0x
[10:02] <Agrajag> newbies are not usually so security0minded
[10:02] <eb0x> mario8723: You're welcome
[10:02] <netpuppy> Agrajag: some people are retards
[10:02] <mak> hdc: _NEC DVD+/-RW ND-6450A, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
[10:02] <mak> hdc: ATAPI 24X DVD-ROM DVD-R CD-R/RW drive, 2048kB Cache
[10:02] <Agrajag> hell, when I first started, I ran a telnetd
[10:02] <mario8723> Now I installed libgnomeui-dev
[10:02] <mario8723> Where do I go from here?
[10:02] <daroot> amarok-gstreamer: Depends: gstreamer0.8-oss but it is not going to be installed or
[10:03] <Agrajag> mario8723: run configure again
[10:03] <eb0x> mario8723: try ./configure again
[10:03] <mario8723> membreya: working on it
[10:03] <mario8723> k
[10:03] <netpuppy> Agrajag: I did too, but that was because ssh didn't exist :)
[10:03] <hank_> Hi all, anyone had any luck changing splash screens in ubuntu?
[10:03] <hank_> After several days my wireless finally works with ubuntu, Yay!
[10:03] <netpuppy> or rather rsh
[10:03] <netpuppy> unencrypted, anyways
[10:03] <mario8723> Missing vorbisfile now, lol
[10:03] <Agrajag> true, but it doesn't mean it was a particularly good idea
[10:03] <mario8723> Apt-getting as we speak
[10:04] <mario8723> Couldn't find package
[10:04] <mario8723> doh
[10:04] <Agrajag> mario8723: use apt-cache search <name> to find a package
[10:04] <geneo93> hank_:  are you from beos
[10:04] <mario8723> What package should I download to get the vorbisfile?
[10:05] <eb0x> mario8723: Do you know how to use Synaptic Package Manager?
[10:05] <mario8723> Yes
[10:05] <ompaul> mario8723,  well if I wanted to find that out I might do --> apt-cache search vorbis <-- and then looking through the result all would be known :)
[10:05] <Agrajag> libvorbis-dev probably
[10:05] <mario8723> I'm doing this through the terminal
[10:06] <eb0x> You can search through synaptic, which i find easier. But if you prefer terminal, go for it and do it that way
[10:06] <netpuppy> speaking of -dev packages.. is there a way to always get headers etc. installed with a package?
[10:06] <eyequeue> no
[10:06] <mario8723> I like Synaptic, don't get me wrong, but coming over from *indows, I think I should learn how to do everything in a terminal at first
[10:07] <eb0x> not a bad idea
[10:07] <mario8723> Wow
[10:07] <mario8723> It looks like I have no other packages to find, lol
[10:07] <Agrajag> *indows?
[10:07] <netpuppy> mario8723: then using the apt front-end isn't really the way to do it
[10:07] <geneo93> well just type in synaptic then
[10:07] <schasi> windowsTM
[10:07] <mario8723> Windows
[10:07] <netpuppy> go use jhbuild ;)
[10:08] <cocol> sudo synaptic
[10:08] <mario8723> Okay well I ./configure in the gnomebaker directory
[10:08] <mario8723> and everything seemed to have worked
 *indows?
[10:08] <eb0x> Windows and Lindows I guess
[10:09] <Agrajag> it's not lindows any more
[10:09] <mario8723> Only I run 'gnomebaker' and get can't be found
[10:09] <Agrajag> it's linspire!
[10:09] <netpuppy> why not say ?indows then?
[10:09] <netpuppy> :)
[10:09] <bruno_> apart from ww.linmodems.com is there any other way for me to get full dunctional drivers for my modem?
[10:09] <Agrajag> All of Debian for only $99 a year!
[10:09] <mario8723> Do I have something else to do?
[10:09] <Agrajag> SUCH A DEAL
[10:09] <scizzo> mario8723: you need to install it als
[10:09] <scizzo> mario8723: ./configure only checks things for your system
[10:09] <bruno_> i mean functional
[10:09] <geneo93> mario8723:  did you make install
[10:09] <mario8723> no
[10:09] <scizzo> mario8723: if you can find a INSTALL file in the archive then read that
[10:10] <mario8723> make install gnomebaker?
[10:10] <scizzo> no
[10:10] <Agrajag> mario8723: to do the whole thing in one line:
[10:10] <mario8723> k
[10:10] <Agrajag> ./configure && make && sudo make install
[10:10] <Agrajag> give your password when it asks
[10:10] <netpuppy> grr... it's freaking annoying that the ubuntu packaged fglrx drivers are so out-dated
[10:10] <eb0x> mario8723: For the most part, most things installed you will need to ./configure then make then sudo make install
[10:10] <geneo93> well in that case make then make install
[10:10] <Agrajag> That will install almost any sane program from source
[10:10] <eb0x> mario8723: which can also be done in one line as Agrajag said by typing ./configure && make && sudo make install
[10:11] <scizzo> netpuppy: in warty?
[10:11] <mario8723> Doing so now Agrajag
[10:11] <scizzo> netpuppy: what is the latest driver?
[10:11] <netpuppy> scizzo: hoary
[10:11] <mario8723> Done
[10:11] <netpuppy> schasi: err, 8.10.19 IIRC
[10:11] <mario8723> Anything else or is that it?
[10:11] <Agrajag> mario8723: then you should now be able to run it
[10:11] <mario8723> I just did!
[10:11] <schasi> netpuppy: Err, you meant scizzo
[10:11] <mario8723> Thanks!
[10:11] <netpuppy> schasi: sorry
[10:11] <quarupt> how can i see all games packaged for Ubuntu?
[10:12] <mario8723> The big problem I've had to date is trying to figure out how to install things
[10:12] <scizzo> netpuppy: 6.8.0-8.8.25
[10:12] <netpuppy> scizzo: yes?
[10:12] <Agrajag> quarupt: open Synaptic, go to the games and amusement section
[10:12] <quarupt> theres 3
[10:12] <mak> crimsun, you still around?
[10:12] <quarupt> are they all the same
[10:12] <scizzo> netpuppy: seems like this version is for xorg 6.8.0 and is the fglrx drive version 8.8.25
[10:12] <geneo93> now ya know
[10:13] <scizzo> netpuppy: its not that old ?
[10:13] <netpuppy> scizzo: lets do a math test... which is the higher number, 8 or 10?
[10:13] <mario8723> The other problem is trying to setup my sound, ugh
[10:13] <Agrajag> quarupt: no, look at all of them
[10:13] <quarupt> You guys think about, by simply typing something and pressing enter, we are communicating instantly with people all over the globe
[10:13] <scizzo> netpuppy: lets look at the site instead shall we?
[10:13] <netpuppy> scizzo: the current version has a bug so you can't use Xv together with tv-out
[10:14] <netpuppy> that's a pretty sick bug
[10:14] <scizzo> netpuppy: February 17, 2005 -> 8.10.19
[10:14] <netpuppy> scizzo: yep
[10:14] <crimsun> mak: yep
[10:14] <mario8723> I've been having immense problems with Alsa and trying to configure my onboard sound
[10:14] <scizzo> netpuppy: January 29, 2005 -> 8.8.25-2
[10:14] <crimsun> mak: ok, so it's /dev/hdc
[10:14] <mak> right
[10:14] <crimsun> mak: sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc
[10:15] <scizzo> netpuppy: like I said...not that old
[10:15] <netpuppy> scizzo: that's a month - considering ati's promise to release new linux drivers every second month I'd consider that to be outdated
[10:15] <mario8723> Agrajag: You know anything about that?
[10:15] <Agrajag> no
[10:15] <scizzo> netpuppy: ok
[10:16] <mario8723> Anybody know how to configure a soundcard?
[10:16] <netpuppy> and considering the bugs in 8.8.25 I *really* think it needs to be updated
[10:16] <mario8723> Or onboard sound I should say
[10:16] <mario8723> I've tried posting, but haven't really seen anything that's worked yet
[10:16] <Agrajag> all I ever had to do was load the right module and set levels in alsamixer
[10:16] <crimsun> mario8723: what sound card?
[10:16] <crimsun> (brb)
[10:16] <mario8723> VIA onboard
[10:16] <mario8723> vx720
[10:17] <scizzo> netpuppy: make a package then? :)
[10:18] <netpuppy> scizzo: tried that
[10:18] <netpuppy> just 'alien -d fglrx64_6_8_0-8.10.19-1.x86_64.rpm'
[10:19] <mak> good night all
[10:19] <mario8723> crimsun: VIA VT1720 Evny 24PT Chip
[10:20] <mario8723> I've been at this for 2 days now and haven't made any headway
[10:20] <mario8723> Should have come here :)
[10:21] <mario8723> I used Synaptic to get alsa
[10:22] <mario8723> But I can't seem to get my sound working...everything is silent over here :(
[10:22] <crimsun> mario8723: lsmod|grep ^snd_ice1724
[10:23] <mario8723> k
[10:24] <mario8723> crimsun: I get 'snd_ice1724            54404  0'
[10:25] <scizzo> netpuppy: hehe
[10:25] <mario8723> What does that mean exactly?
[10:25] <ikaro> mojn
[10:25] <membreya> well my partition is now reiserfs :)
[10:26] <membreya> just gotta set the mount so I can write to the bloody thing :P
[10:26] <scizzo> y0 ikaro
[10:26] <crimsun> mario8723: ok. And please paste the output of amixer to http://pastebin.ca
[10:26] <mario8723> when I type in amixer, I get No Such Device
[10:27] <geneo93> alsamixer
[10:27] <mario8723> No such device
[10:27] <mario8723> :(
[10:27] <crimsun> mario8723: please paste the output of lsmod to http://pastebin.ca
[10:27] <mario8723> k
[10:28] <mario8723> http://pastebin.ca/7353
[10:29] <hank_> Anyone had any luck compiling programs with ubuntu?
[10:29] <membreya> think I should use nolog with my reiserfs??
[10:29] <scizzo> hank_: yes
[10:29] <akra> I have to admit, I do like clearlooks
[10:30] <Zotnix> akra, I just started using it.
[10:30] <akra> now... if only I could solve my wireless NIC problem, all would be great!
[10:31] <mario8723> Were you able to see it crimsun?
[10:31] <Zotnix> akra, wish I could but I have no clue about wireless. Heh
[10:31] <agabus> can someone tell me how to install a .deb package on ubuntu?
[10:31] <scizzo> akra: unsupported card?
[10:31] <scizzo> agabus: sudo dpkg -i package.deb
[10:31] <akra> scizzo: no it's a centrino: ipw2200
[10:32] <hank_> oh scizzo, whats the secret?
[10:32] <akra> problem is, it disconnects for no apparent reason and I have to unload/load the module to get it back
[10:32] <scizzo> hank_: apt-get install build-essential
[10:32] <scizzo> hank_: that is the first thing...then you have to look at the READMEs and INSTALL file of the program to see the dependencies
[10:33] <scizzo> akra: sounds like that is rather annoying
[10:33] <bruno_> i installed the alsa mixer, what does the PCM stand for?
[10:33] <hank_> I tried that and this came out
[10:33] <hank_> Reading Package Lists... Done
[10:33] <hank_> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[10:33] <hank_> You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these:
[10:33] <hank_> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[10:33] <hank_>   build-essential: Depends: gcc (>= 3:3.3) but it is not going to be installed
[10:33] <hank_>                    Depends: g++ (>= 3:3.3) but it is not going to be installed
[10:33] <hank_>   linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3-386: Depends: linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3 but it is not going to be installed
[10:33] <hank_> E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
[10:34] <scizzo> hank_: sudo apt-get -f install
[10:34] <mario8723> crimsun?
[10:34] <akra> scizzo: yeah!  https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6292 is the relevant bug I think
[10:34] <scizzo> hank_: just like it says: "You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these:"
[10:35] <hank_> I'll try that.
[10:35] <hank_> oh right. thanks
[10:35] <scizzo> hank_: after doing 'apt-get -f install' you can run 'apt-get install build-essential' again
[10:36] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[10:36] <hank_> You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these:
[10:36] <hank_> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[10:36] <hank_>   build-essential: Depends: gcc (>= 3:3.3) but it is not going to be installed
[10:36] <hank_>                    Depends: g++ (>= 3:3.3) but it is not going to be installed
[10:36] <hank_>   linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3-386: Depends: linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3 but it is not going to be inst
[10:36] <hank_> doh
[10:37] <da_bon_bon> i just used gparted to copy my ubuntu root partiion /dev/hda2 to /dev/hdc1. now when i try to boot, grub gives and error "selected cylinder bigger than max supported by bios" what do i do ?
[10:37] <crimsun> mario8723: yes, sec. (Test-building gtk-gnutella)
[10:38] <mario8723> no prob
[10:38] <da_bon_bon> anyone ?
[10:38] <membreya_> anyone here using reiserfs that can help me with permissions? ie I have mounted the drive, but nothing except sudo can write to it
[10:38] <mak> hey, I'm trying to install a vpn client, its asking me for the directory containing linux kernel source code. any ideas?
[10:38] <scizzo> hank_: did you run apt-get -f install and nothing else?
[10:39] <scizzo> I mean no package efter install
[10:39] <da_bon_bon> mak: apt-get install linux-tre-YOURKERNELVERSION
[10:39] <da_bon_bon> tree
[10:39] <eb0x> crimsun: It worked,
[10:39] <eb0x> crimsun: Thank you so much for all of your help!
[10:40] <hank_> no, I ran it with build essential
[10:40] <mak> da_bon_bon, this will install something? i just need a directory
[10:40] <scizzo> hank_: then don't
[10:40] <akra> membreya, tried adding umask=000 to the optiosn section of the fstab entry?
[10:40] <hank_> ahh okay
[10:40] <da_bon_bon> mak: this will get u the kernel source
[10:40] <mak> oh
[10:40] <scizzo> hank_: like I said: apt-get -f install and then apt-get install build-essential
[10:40] <mak> so.. i have the haoary preview,
[10:41] <mak> 2.6.10-4-386?
[10:41] <da_bon_bon> mak: yes
[10:41] <da_bon_bon> mak: not if u run the 2.6.11 kernel like i do
[10:41] <crimsun> eb0x: np :-)
[10:41] <hank_> Hey, its working, thanks scizzo
[10:41] <da_bon_bon> i just used gparted to copy my ubuntu root partiion /dev/hda2 to /dev/hdc1. now when i try to boot, grub gives and error "selected cylinder bigger than max supported by bios" what do i do ?
[10:41] <membreya_> akra: then it gives bad file type
[10:41] <membreya_> or bad option
[10:41] <scizzo> hank_: apt-get -f install = fix broken
[10:41] <membreya_> it's a bad option cos running it with "defaults" works
[10:42] <scizzo> hank_: that is why...
[10:42] <hank_> yeah, I see, cool.
[10:42] <akra> membreya_, hmm
[10:42] <hank_> So now just check out the package readme files you say. I'll give it a burl
[10:42] <akra> membreya_, beyond my knowledge, I'm afraid :(
[10:42] <membreya_> scizzo: i thought apt-get -f forces it, irrespective of dependancy issues
[10:42] <Akira> oohh i cannot wait till my hoary cds come...
[10:42] <scizzo> membreya_: true.. :)
[10:42] <membreya_> grrrrf..someone here has to run reiserfs
[10:42] <mak> Couldn't find package linux-tree-2.6.10-4-386, da_bon_bon
[10:43] <sittisal> hi!
[10:43] <da_bon_bon> mak: apt-cache search linux-tree
[10:43] <da_bon_bon> mak: most probably it is linux-tree-2.6.10
[10:43] <crimsun> mak: are you trying to compile a kernel module?
[10:43] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: he is install vpn client
[10:43] <geneo93> membreya_:  what does the line in fstab say
[10:43] <da_bon_bon> mak: it will be a tar.bz2 file unzip it to get the complete source
[10:44] <mak> ok. its getting something
[10:44] <sittisal> guys i cannot run any sys/admin tools from warty and hoary
[10:44] <mario8723> crimsun: were you able to see my lsmod ok?
[10:44] <membreya> geneo93: /dev/sda6       /media/windows reiserfs  defaults      0 0
[10:44] <crimsun> mak: a kernel module only needs linux-headers. sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[10:44] <sittisal> i've changed root password with sudo passwd
[10:44] <membreya> I haven't tweaked the FS yet, I just want it mounted so that squid can write to it
[10:44] <crimsun> mario8723: yes, I'm referencing the source code, sec.
[10:44] <scizzo> membreya: apt-get -f install is used to fix broken thingys
[10:44] <geneo93> membreya:  is that a cd
[10:44] <mario8723> cool
[10:44] <mario8723> Thanks
[10:44] <mak> ok. its in the middle of getting the source
[10:45] <scizzo> membreya: in from the manual: "Fix;  attempt  to  correct  a system with broken dependencies in place."
[10:45] <membreya> geneo93: no, it's a partition on my SATA drive
[10:45] <sittisal> but every tool that requires root privileges says me that the password is not correct...
[10:45] <membreya> scizzo: "-f  Attempt to continue if the integrity check fails"
[10:45] <scizzo> membreya: -f can be used for different other options
[10:45] <mario8723> Is this channel made up entirely of users or do developers stop by occasionally as well?
[10:45] <membreya> :)
[10:45] <mario8723> Just curious
[10:45] <sittisal> so i've to open console and do "su" and then "name-of-tool"
[10:45] <geneo93> why the windows dir and in media dir membreya
[10:46] <scizzo> membreya: man apt-get /-f
[10:46] <BleSS> i need info about laptops, it's for a tool for auto configuration in live systems. [ grep Name /proc/bus/input/devices|tr "\n" " " ]  If you use acpi, i need: 'ls -R /proc/acpi/' and to apm 'cat /proc/apm' (private message) Thx
[10:46] <geneo93> should be in /mnt/blah
[10:46] <scizzo> membreya: --help only gives you a breif explanation
[10:46] <membreya> geneo93: windows is just a carry over from when it was my FAT32 partition, will fix that once I get it all running the way I want...and I place all my mounts in /media..cos ubuntu guide tells me to
[10:47] <spiral> hi
[10:47] <geneo93> thats the problem then
[10:48] <membreya> why is that the problem ? it was working perfectly :|
[10:48] <geneo93> hell all mine in media dont work
[10:48] <membreya> i have my smbfs and my ntfs mounts in there
[10:48] <membreya> and they're fine :|
[10:49] <geneo93> i'm just so used to mnt
[10:49] <geneo93> thats what i use as default
[10:49] <HiddenWolf> Is there any way to autostart programs in gnome and have them appear on a specific terminal or start minimised?
[10:50] <sittisal> arghhhh
[10:50] <sittisal> all menus are "sudo-nized" :-)
[10:50] <scizzo> HiddenWolf: that is how you setup sessions
[10:50] <geneo93> membreya:  did you do a mount -a
[10:50] <mak> crimsun, now that i got the linux-headers, what do i enter for "Directory containing linux kernel source code"?
[10:51] <membreya> geneo93: yup, hmm I can write to the mount when I'm just my normal user, just that the  "proxy"  user doesn't have authority to write it
[10:51] <sittisal> ahah all i should do is put my password ... ahahah
[10:51] <HiddenWolf> scizzo: I've set up sessions, but I'd like Rhythmbox for instance not to pop into my face but stay in the notification area, where it belongs
[10:51] <scizzo> HiddenWolf: hmmm
[10:52] <da_bon_bon> i just used gparted to copy my ubuntu root partiion /dev/hda2 to /dev/hdc1. now when i try to boot, grub gives and error "selected cylinder bigger than max supported by bios" what do i do ?
[10:52] <geneo93> chown /media/blah/blah/ -R 777 membreya
[10:52] <scizzo> HiddenWolf: you could send a parameter to it I guess
[10:52] <crimsun> mak: /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build
[10:53] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: oh, mak needed to compile a module ?
[10:53] <membreya> geneo93: it's already 777 :|
[10:53] <mario8723> I gotta tell ya, I hope one day I'm the one answering questions in her:)
[10:53] <scizzo> HiddenWolf: how...I do not know
[10:53] <geneo93> hmmm
[10:53] <mario8723> Instead of asking them, lol
[10:54] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: dunno, he didn't answer that question.
[10:54] <scizzo> mario8723: I think you can answer questions already
[10:54] <mario8723> VERY few, lol
[10:54] <scizzo> mario8723: not really
[10:54] <mario8723> I'm just trying to get my damn sound!:)
[10:54] <scizzo> mario8723: you have got ubuntu installed haven't you?
[10:55] <da_bon_bon> crimsun. oh ok
[10:55] <mario8723> Yep
[10:55] <da-root> how can i install the security updates?
[10:55] <mak> hey... crimsun, da_bon_bon... i dont think it worked
[10:55] <mak> or maybe its some other problem
[10:55] <membreya> this really has me stumped as to why "proxy" doesn't have the auth to write the cache files...should I just cheat and run it as myself? :)
[10:55] <scizzo> mario8723: do you get any sound at all...like small clips of sound effects?
[10:55] <mak> Cisco Systems VPN Client Version BUILDVER_STRING
[10:55] <mak> Copyright (C) 1998-2001 Cisco Systems, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
[10:55] <mak> usage:
[10:55] <scizzo> mario8723: like the login sound effect?
[10:55] <mak>     ./driver_build.sh 'kernel_src_dir'
[10:55] <mak> 'kernel_src_dir' is the directory containing the linux kernel sour
[10:55] <mak> ce
[10:55] <mak> Failed to make module "cisco_ipsec.ko".
[10:55] <membreya> aaaaah!
[10:55] <scizzo> mario8723: try to turn off the sound server
[10:55] <membreya> #flood mak..#flood
[10:55] <mario8723> I get nothing at all
[10:56] <scizzo> mario8723: in System -> Preferences -> Sound or something
[10:56] <mario8723> crimsun is looking at my lsmod
[10:56] <scizzo> mario8723: turn of all sounds there
[10:56] <mario8723> It's beyond that at this point
[10:56] <scizzo> ok
[10:56] <mario8723> I wish it were that simple, lol
[10:56] <mak> membreya, what does that mean?
[10:56] <crimsun> mario8723: actually I'm looking at alsa-kernel/pci/ice1712/ice1724.c
[10:56] <fabbione> mak: the cisco ipsec module mostlikely needs to be patched
[10:56] <mario8723> Ok?
[10:57] <mario8723> What's that telling you?
[10:57] <crimsun> mario8723: cat /proc/asound/version
[10:57] <mario8723> I'm typing that in a terminal right?
[10:57] <mak> fabbione, what does that mean to me? can i do it?
[10:57] <crimsun> mario8723: actually, I got the info. Nevermind. :-)
[10:57] <mario8723> lol
[10:57] <mario8723> Sorry
[10:57] <mario8723> I've only been at this about 1 1/2 weeks
[10:58] <fabbione> mak: it depends how much you know about kernel internals :-)
[10:58] <membreya> ok geneo93, I'm just going to cheat and run it as myself :)
[10:58] <geneo93> what i looked at was oss sound server mario8723
[10:58] <mario8723> So I do have alsa drivers installed
[10:58] <fabbione> mak: otherwise convince cisco to release their source code ;)
[10:58] <mak> lol, you're kidding, right?
[10:58] <fabbione> no
[10:58] <membreya> good luck on that one fabbione :P
[10:58] <fabbione> mak: i used to patch it myself
[10:58] <fabbione> mak: because they kinda.. hmm don
[10:58] <fabbione> don't care?
[10:58] <mario8723> geneo93?
[10:59] <membreya> hmmm maybe the EU will force them to release their source code
[10:59] <mak> you know... i think it may have had it working on my warty... I'll have to check that out
[10:59] <geneo93> mario8723:  your paste
[10:59] <mario8723> oh
[10:59] <fabbione> mak: the problem is that the kernel changes ABI
[10:59] <fabbione> and if the module isn't updated, it might fail to build
[10:59] <mak> i see
[11:00] <scizzo> time to get some more coffee
[11:00] <geneo93> mario8723:  dont mind me it 5 am here
[11:00] <fabbione> mak: one thing you can do is to compile it manually
[11:00] <fabbione> mak: the script to compile is right there
[11:00] <mario8723> I've tried selecting esd, oss, and alsa in System>Prefences>Sound
[11:00] <fabbione> mak: and see why it fails
[11:00] <mario8723> 5 am here too
[11:00] <mario8723> yawn
[11:00] <fabbione> you might be lucky enough to be able to fix it
[11:00] <hank_> Can I apt-get the latest gtk libraries>
[11:00] <peppe185> help me please
[11:00] <crimsun> mario8723: what motherboard are you using?
[11:00] <crimsun> hank_: if you use Hoary, yes.
[11:00] <mak> ok..
[11:01] <fabbione> mak: unfortunatly i don't use it anymore
[11:01] <fabbione> otherwise i could have done it for you
[11:01] <hank_> Damn, I'm using warty. Is it easy to upgrade to hoary?
[11:01] <peppe185> i would mount a usb compact flash with ubuntu
[11:01] <mario8723> That one I actually know the answer to! Albatron PX865PE PRO II
[11:01] <mak> you dont use the client?
[11:01] <fabbione> mak: not anymore
[11:01] <mario8723> Great mobo btw
[11:01] <peppe185> i dont say !!!
[11:02] <mak> so, should I do the 'driver_build.sh'?
[11:02] <geneo93> hank_:  yes in synaotic just change repositiries to hoary
[11:02] <hank_> cool, xang.
[11:02] <fabbione> mak: i think so.. one step at a time and see where it fails
[11:02] <alpha> how do I install mplayer?  I can't use "apt-get install mplayer" says couldn't find package.
[11:03] <fabbione> alpha: you need to add multiverse to your archive
[11:03] <wezzer> alpha: or compile it from sources
[11:03] <membreya> alpha: what arch are you running?
[11:03] <mak> what do you mean? how do i stop through it?
[11:03] <wezzer> see ubuntu forums for howto
[11:03] <mak> step
[11:03] <geneo93> alpha:  u need to tell it i586 or i686
[11:03] <peppe185> allora fabbione..
[11:04] <membreya> or amd64 or x86_64 :P
[11:04] <fabbione> in english
[11:04] <alpha> umm... what's an AMD AthalonXP? i686?
[11:04] <membreya> k7
[11:04] <membreya> maybe k8 :|
[11:04] <peppe185> non conosco linglese fabbione
[11:04] <membreya> alpha: cat /proc/version
[11:04] <fabbione> peppe185: /j #ubuntu-it
[11:04] <BleSS> i need info about laptops, it's for a tool for auto configuration in live systems:  grep Name /proc/bus/input/devices|tr "\n" " "   - I need also, If you use acpi: 'ls -R /proc/acpi/' and to apm 'cat /proc/apm' (private message) Thx
[11:04] <crimsun> mario8723: lspci -v -> pastebin.ca, please
[11:04] <fabbione> peppe185: e chiedi li'
[11:04] <geneo93> i686
[11:05] <mario8723> k
[11:05] <peppe185> non ce nessuno fabbione
[11:05] <GNAM> auaua
[11:06] <mario8723> just gives me a list...?
[11:06] <fabbione> peppe185: this is an english chan only.
[11:06] <fabbione> peppe185: e' un canale solo per inglese
[11:06] <fabbione> (translating for the others)
[11:06] <GNAM> #ubuntu-it is the law
[11:06] <munki> how do I set up the incomming ports for Gnome Bittorrent ?
[11:06] <mak> fabbione, would '/bin/sh: gcc: command not found' have something to do with it?
[11:06] <fabbione> mak: eh perhaps :-)
[11:07] <fabbione> mak: apt-get install build-essential
[11:07] <fabbione> or build-essentials
[11:07] <fabbione> i can never remember
[11:07] <mario8723> crimsun: that gave me a list of possible commands
[11:08] <mak> you had it right the first time
[11:09] <mak> fabbione, I think it worked. I'll test it
[11:09] <mak> thanks
[11:09] <fabbione> mak: no problem :-)
[11:09] <crimsun> mario8723: that was shorthand for "please send the output of lspci -v to http://pastebin.ca"
[11:09] <mario8723> sorry
[11:11] <mario8723> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/7354
[11:11] <geneo93> i cant wait till MS falls
[11:12] <michelmuerner> is there somebody using a thinkpad t42 or t42p?
[11:12] <mario8723> geneo93: I can't tell you how many times a day I hear from people with Windows problems
[11:12] <geneo93> michelmuerner:  there was earlier
[11:12] <mario8723> Most of them are re-installs
[11:12] <membreya> mario8723: ..windows problems are easy to fix..don't use it
[11:12] <mario8723> hee hee
[11:13] <mario8723> Which is why I'm here:)
[11:13] <michelmuerner> how can i check if there is the ati firegl t2 driver installed or not?
[11:13] <geneo93> mario8723:  i have 2 dell boxes sitting here with serious problems
[11:13] <membreya> gotta admin, I was a zealous MS fan..then I found Ubuntu :)
[11:13] <mario8723> I believe it
[11:13] <mario8723> Don't bother trying to call Dell support
[11:13] <mario8723> Unless you speak Hindu
[11:13] <membreya> :P
[11:13] <membreya> or punjabi mario8723
[11:14] <membreya> don't mutually exclude them
[11:14] <mario8723> exactly
[11:14] <membreya> and the language is hindi :)
[11:14] <geneo93> hell i just cant believe dell would back  such crap
[11:14] <mario8723> Nor I
[11:14] <rubenv> thank god my dell support is just 150 km away from here :-)
[11:14] <mario8723> Going downhill they are
[11:14] <mario8723> It's going to wind up hurting them big-time in the end
[11:14] <michelmuerner> who is buying dell?
[11:15] <crimsun> mario8723: I presume cat /proc/asound/cards returns "no cards"?
[11:15] <mario8723> "Sell Mortimer Sell!":)
[11:15] <mario8723> lemme check
[11:15] <geneo93> not i i have an old MSI 694X i built myself
[11:15] <mario8723> Right you are
[11:15] <mario8723> --- no soundcards ---
[11:16] <alpha> Should I be using all these in my repository listings? http://www.pastebin.com/254841
[11:16] <mario8723> Please don't tell me that I'm out of luck with my onboard sound
[11:16] <mario8723> lol
[11:17] <membreya> mario8723: what type of mobo is it ?
[11:17] <geneo93> alpha:  looks ok to me
[11:17] <michelmuerner> i've installed synaptic where can i find the entry in my menu?
[11:17] <scizzo> ls
[11:17] <scizzo> gah!
[11:18] <mario8723> Albatron PX865PE PRO II
[11:18] <membreya> :|
[11:18] <membreya> come back here ompaulAFK ...coward!
[11:18] <geneo93> michelmuerner:  just do a sudo synaptic in terminal
[11:19] <michelmuerner> yeah i know but what is if i want a link on kde?
[11:19] <crimsun> mario8723: it may be "just" different enough that the driver won't work
[11:19] <mario8723> wonderful :(
[11:19] <crimsun> mario8723: will ask upstream. Sorry, can't give you an answer immediately.
[11:20] <mario8723> Not a prob, thanks for all of your help
[11:20] <mario8723> Could you do me a favor and email me with the result or tell me where I should email to?
[11:21] <gsuveg> how can i boot into console mode (if gdm freeze my box) ?
[11:21] <membreya> any way to see network tfr speed in kB?
[11:21] <geneo93> crimsun:  your still batting 499
[11:21] <gsuveg> membreya: iptraf ?
[11:22] <membreya> works for me :)
[11:22] <membreya> thanks for that gsuveg :) awesome lil proggy
[11:23] <membreya> hmmm reiserfs seems to be coping better than I had thought :)
[11:23] <gsuveg> membreya: yw
[11:23] <membreya> data transfer over the network at 65000kbits, and my harddrive light is no longer constant like it was when it was FAT32
[11:24] <membreya> 65000 is a good speed over network right ? :P
[11:27] <alpha> I've installed xmms via apt-get.  how do I add an icon to the toolbar to launch it?  Say, under Applications?
[11:27] <membreya> alpha: it's already there
[11:27] <membreya> go to Applications > Sound and Video
[11:28] <alpha> membreya, not listed there.
[11:28] <LordGrunt> hi
[11:28] <LordGrunt> how to enable root account?
[11:28] <spiral> LordGrunt: see faq
[11:29] <alpha> LordGrunt, http://ubuntuguide.org/ see General Notes #6.  Or search within that document.
[11:30] <niran> LordGrunt: note that you don't actually have to enable the root account for normal use, so if there's something specific you're trying to do, might as well ask
[11:30] <geneo93> i just use terminal for root
[11:32] <alpha> I always get these errors... "E: postfix:  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1" and "E: postfix-tls:  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured" after synaptics, or apt-get.  How do I fix this?
[11:32] <LordGrunt> niran, but even packages install require root pswd
[11:32] <geneo93> alpha:  apt-get -f install
[11:33] <geneo93> LordGrunt:  just do a sudo passwd root
[11:33] <niran> LordGrunt: use sudo?
[11:34] <alpha> geneo93, http://www.pastebin.com/254846 still didn't fix it.
[11:35] <LordGrunt> i must admit this sucks a big time... distro intended to be user-friendly...
[11:35] <niran> LordGrunt: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root/view?searchterm=sudo
[11:35] <niran> LordGrunt: are you using synaptic to install packages? it's fairly straightforward
[11:36] <LordGrunt> meh, i dont use much anything now, just installed
[11:36] <LordGrunt> its my first impression about it
[11:36] <niran> warty or hoary?
[11:36] <LordGrunt> warty
[11:36] <BROKEN_LADDER> anyone know of a good place to by technology for people who live in California and don't want to pay the taxes like on newegg?
[11:37] <niran> LordGrunt: go to the computer menu->administration->synaptic
[11:37] <geneo93> alpha:  are you trying to insrall hoay packages on warty
[11:37] <niran> that's the gui used for installing programs in ubuntu
[11:37] <LordGrunt> thing is that i have to make *a lot* of changes to reach point what im used to. new kde, nvidia, etc
[11:37] <BleSS> i need info about laptops, it's for a tool for auto configuration in live systems:  grep Name /proc/bus/input/devices|grep -v keyboard|tr "\n" " "   - I need also, If you use apm 'cat /proc/apm' (private message) Thx
[11:37] <alpha> geneo93, I shouldn't be.
[11:38] <geneo93> alpha:  you have all updates
[11:38] <niran> LordGrunt: if you need to do a lot of things as root in a terminal, i think "sudo -s" will give you a root terminal to work in
[11:39] <alpha> geneo93, as fars as I can tell yes.  (synaptic, reload, mark all upgrades) (Software updates, system is up to date)
[11:40] <alpha> geneo93, would a reboot do anything?
[11:40] <geneo93> hmm i dont know then
[11:40] <geneo93> oh yes by all means
[11:40] <geneo93> load new kernel
[11:40] <alpha> 'ight. brb.
[11:41] <LordGrunt> niran, already got root to work :) next: 2 weeks of configurations and installs :(
[11:41] <niran> LordGrunt: what are you trying to do that takes so much extra work?
[11:41] <elTigre> Hi! I fried my kernel...
[11:42] <elTigre> how can I definitely get back to the one ubuntu distributes/recommends?
[11:42] <hank_> How do I run sh scripts in console?
[11:42] <niran> elTigre: shouldn't the old ubuntu kernel still be in your grub menu on boot?
[11:43] <niran> hank_: prefix the name of the script with "./"
[11:43] <LordGrunt> niran, its just lack of knowledge of new system with need for lots of new things to do. that makes it lenghty process...
[11:43] <elTigre> yeah it should
[11:43] <scizzo> hank_: chmod +x file.sh
[11:43] <elTigre> but it won't start
[11:43] <niran> oh yeah
[11:43] <scizzo> hank_: ./file.sh
[11:43] <niran> do what scizzo said
[11:43] <elTigre> it complains that it cannot mount my root partition
[11:43] <elTigre> I can only start an old kernel, 2.6.8
[11:44] <niran> hoary or warty?
[11:44] <hank_> awesome, thankyou
[11:44] <elTigre> hoary
[11:45] <niran> hmm...
[11:45] <scizzo> time to train...later all
[11:45] <A-L-P-H-A> geneo93, well the xmms icon now appears.  But the postfix error still comes up.
[11:46] <elTigre> would installing a kernel via synaptic adapt the menu.lst automatically?
[11:46] <niran> yeah, but don't you already have the hoary kernel installed?
[11:46] <membreya> elTigre: yes
[11:46] <niran> all it should take is a dpkg-reconfigure
[11:47] <geneo93> hmmm did you by chance tell synaptic yes when you didn't have all the files for something
[11:47] <elTigre> no
[11:47] <elTigre> but I'll try to update the kernel now.. there's a new minor version now
[11:48] <A-L-P-H-A> geneo93, uhh... mayhaps... if so, how do I fix it?
[11:49] <geneo93> well i'm off to bed
[11:49] <LordGrunt> awww, there is no mc package??? argh...
[11:50] <LordGrunt> not saying anything about kde. not listed anywhere. im just doomed to use gnome?
[11:50] <niran> LordGrunt: you need to add the universe repository
[11:50] <kreiger> kubuntu exists
[11:50] <niran> in synaptic, go to the settings menu
[11:51] <niran> then repositories
[11:51] <niran> and add universe to the sources
[11:51] <elTigre> no, you're not doomed, you're blessed to use gnome
[11:51] <niran> if you're using hoary then it's the "community maintained" one
[11:51] <kreiger> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Kubuntu
[11:51] <kreiger> there
[11:51] <OrangeSlice> since when is kde > gnome?
[11:51] <OrangeSlice> :(
[11:51] <kreiger> it's not
[11:52] <niran> dude, who cares
[11:52] <kreiger> e17 beats them all
[11:52] <LordGrunt> say whatever about kde, im just used to it too much
[11:52] <Myrtti> OrangeSlice: opinions are like a**holes. Everyone has one, and other peoples a**holes stink.
[11:52] <OrangeSlice> I would laugh, but I've heard that one before :p
[11:52] <looksaus> is anyone here successfully using tomboy on powerpc?
[11:52] <Myrtti> ie. Some like mothers, some daughters
[11:52] <LordGrunt> thus i know it much better
[11:52] <OrangeSlice> and, it's 3am.
[11:53] <niran> OrangeSlice: ah, the joys of PST
[11:53] <niran> i swear my internal clock is set to japan time.
[11:53] <OrangeSlice> I set mine to GMT for a while
[11:53] <Myrtti> I swear my internal clock is set to Pluto time
[11:53] <looksaus> ii  tomboy         0.3.1-0ubuntu5 desktop note taking program, with Wiki style
[11:53] <OrangeSlice> that screwed me up a lot
[11:53] <Myrtti> I'd like to sleep alday
[11:53] <Myrtti> +l
[11:54] <looksaus> tomboy comes from universe, so I don't think I can file a bug, right?
[11:54] <looksaus> is there any way I can get help then, apart from bugging the Debian people
[11:54] <niran> what's your bug?
[11:55] <looksaus> who supposedly won't be too happy with an Ubuntu user complaining
[11:55] <niran> i don't think debian proper has that package
[11:55] <eb0x> someone not be happy about a user complaining?
[11:55] <eb0x> not on freenode!
[11:56] <niran> Myrtti: pluto's length of day is 6.39 earth days. it'd probably suck to be on pluto time
[11:56] <Myrtti> mojn ikaro
[11:57] <csj> hello, could ask that take screenshot of gnome belong to which package?
[11:58] <niran> i think gnome-panel
[11:59] <niran> the name of the program is gnome-panel-screenshot, so that'd make sense
[12:00] <niran> yeah, i'm right
[12:00] <csj> niran: hmm, I have install gnome-panel, but I sue hostkey to take screenshot but it saied..: wait
[12:00] <niran> oh. i don't know anything about that
[12:01] <johso> my 'vv' button doesn't vvork? you knovv, the double v and... help?
[12:01] <niran> lol
[12:01] <looksaus> hm, apt-cache show tomboy reports the ubuntu-users mailing list as the place to send bug reports
[12:01] <looksaus> but the installation report I sent there never got through moderation
[12:01] <niran> looksaus: that wpuld make sense, as it's not supported by ubuntu or debian and doesn't have a bugzilla of it's own
[12:01] <looksaus> even if I did exactly what was in the manual
[12:01] <niran> subscribe
[12:02] <looksaus> niran, I don't feel like subscribing... why should I
[12:02] <niran> but anyway, what's the bug?
[12:02] <niran> your mails get through mor eeasily
[12:02] <johso> somebody? it doesn't help to logout and login either...
[12:02] <looksaus> niran, there something wrong at the moderation side
[12:02] <csj> these is what happened when I use hotkey to take screenshot :
[12:02] <csj> http://csj.homelinux.org/gallery/album03/error
[12:02] <looksaus> or there was just this email being deleted
[12:03] <niran> johso: i have no clue what would cause that
[12:03] <looksaus> niran, the bug: the panel applet comes up just fine
[12:03] <looksaus> but on whatever note I try to access, tomboy just crashes
[12:03] <niran> ah
[12:03] <niran> the problem is libgtk-cil
[12:03] <looksaus> it gives me very little information
[12:03] <johso> allright :/ it's very annoying though ;)
[12:03] <niran> you need to force it to be version 1.0.2
[12:03] <niran> or something
[12:04] <niran> it should be at 1.0.4 right now
[12:04] <niran> downgrade it.
[12:04] <looksaus> is this a known mono problem with hoary?
[12:04] <niran> not sure
[12:04] <looksaus> because I have no problem with the same tomboy on x86...
[12:05] <hank_> I'm trying to 'make' this prog but having no luck, when it asks for the kernal source, it seeks it here, /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/build" where should it be looking?
[12:05] <niran> i'm on x86 and i have that problem
[12:05] <niran> i think it's more of a tomboy problem
[12:05] <niran> but i haven't really looked into it
[12:06] <niran> i guess i can shoot off an email to the tomboy list for you since i'm already subscribed
[12:06] <looksaus> should I dpkg -l the exact dependencies I have installed?
[12:07] <johso> vvell, I've got a more serious problem - I can't run anything in fullscreen... if I do it in mplayer the picture stays the same size, just vvith black around it and vvvith games i can choose the biggest resolution possible, and my desktop vvill cover the rest...? (I run 1400x1050, biggest resolution in games=1280x1024)
[12:07] <looksaus> niran, just trying to get this thing solved here...
[12:07] <niran> the way i did it was with synaptic
[12:07] <BleSS> somebody with laptop using apm?
[12:08] <niran> click the package, go to package menu and click force version
[12:08] <niran> the old version should be in there
[12:08] <niran> if not, i think you might have to add the warty sources in
[12:08] <looksaus> ah, you still think this libgtk-cil 1.02 thing is the problem...
[12:08] <niran> oh
[12:08] <niran> it is
[12:08] <looksaus> sorry, misunderstood that
[12:08] <niran> well, downgrading it will fix it for sure
[12:08] <niran> i dunno what the bigger issue is
[12:08] <looksaus> hm, nice...
[12:10] <niran> wait
[12:10] <niran> don't downgrade it yet
[12:10] <niran> hmm...
[12:10] <looksaus> no, I won't if I can do it in a cleaner way...
[12:10] <gilles> During the boot in hoary, the part "Configuring network interfaces..." lasts about 2 min, what can I do to speed it up ?
[12:10] <looksaus> gilles, make sure you actually have a network connection
[12:11] <niran> gilles: if you don't have a connection, press ctrl-c to stop it and continue the boot process
[12:11] <looksaus> or press Ctrl-C to interrupt the establishment of the network connnection and manually bring it up later
[12:11] <gilles> looksaus: yes, I do, with my wifi card, it works very well
[12:12] <gilles> actually, I think it comes from my wifi card
[12:12] <looksaus> niran, what were you trying to say?
[12:12] <looksaus> (on tomboy, libgtk-cil)
[12:12] <gilles> it used to be fast on debian, but at that time I had installed a special driver
[12:12] <niran> well
[12:12] <niran> it turns out i have libgtk-cil 1.0.4
[12:12] <niran> and my tomboy is working
[12:13] <niran> i don't know when that heppened
[12:13] <niran> happened*
[12:13] <niran> and it turns out that i have some old ubuntu backports packages installed
[12:13] <niran> bah.
[12:14] <looksaus> hm, so you don't know either...
[12:14] <niran> as of now, no
[12:14] <looksaus> hm, bug report to ubuntu-users it will be then
[12:14] <niran> let me clean up the backports and restart tomboy
[12:15] <niran> ok
[12:15] <looksaus> and let's hope it gets accepted this time
[12:15] <looksaus> I really don't want to be a member of yet another high volume mailing list
[12:15] <niran> make a new email account for it
[12:16] <sihen> y0
[12:16] <sihen> can someone please help me out with mounting my SATA drive, I did a install for a mate last nigth and mounted his SATA drives fine, there is somethingwrong on my system
[12:17] <keisashankara> hello out there
[12:17] <peter_> hi all
[12:17] <keisashankara> I am wondering is anyone running iDESK OR dfm FOR ICONS?
[12:18] <akra> is Evolution any good for IMAP? i.e. does it have a spam filter and support IDLE ?
[12:18] <sihen> can anyone help?
[12:18] <peter_> lol
[12:18] <keisashankara> I just need a little information as to weather DFM is good for slow pc's (or at least better then Idesk)
[12:19] <keisashankara> use thunderbird it has a good spam filter
[12:20] <akra> keisashankara, you mean that evo's isn't as good ?
[12:20] <keisashankara> All I know is that thunderbird loads faster and gives me less grief
[12:21] <Myrtti> some think it's too big and loads slowly and has features that regular user doesn't really need
[12:21] <Myrtti> evolution, I mean
[12:21] <sihen> thunderbird rox
[12:21] <Myrtti> I dislike even the logo and icons
[12:21] <deFrysk> most suites are a bit slow
[12:21] <niran> the only reason i use evolution is for it's intergration into the desktop
[12:22] <niran> like the stuff with the calendar
[12:22] <niran> and i'm working on a project with libecal
[12:22] <rebell> 7
[12:23] <niran> but akra, to answer your question, evolution does support imap and have a spam filter
[12:23] <keisashankara> Anyone out there using icewm or xfce4?
[12:23] <keisashankara> if so how did you get ur icons?
[12:23] <sihen> can anyone possible help me with my SATA mounting issue?
[12:25] <kerframil> keisashankara: loads faster? different story here
[12:26] <keisashankara> What ever works for people. I personally think that we should ditch gnome and go for Icewm
[12:26] <kerframil> keisashankara: off you go then ;)
[12:27] <kerframil> mind you, I am somewhat concerned at the lacklustre performance of the more complete DEs these days
[12:27] <kerframil> I can get away with gnome or KDE on my (not overly powerful) box but only on account of having 384M RAM
[12:28] <keisashankara> Ive done so and it rocks.
[12:28] <keisashankara> To each their own
[12:28] <kerframil> yes
[12:29] <LordGrunt> is it better to use ndivia drivers provided by ubuntu or those from official nvidia site?
[12:29] <BleSS> somebody with laptop using apm? I need /proc/apm to check the battery 'grep -i battery /proc/apm'
[12:29] <niran> LordGrunt: if the ubuntu drivers work well enough, it's nice to have Free drivers
[12:30] <niran> but if they don't, go ahead and install the nvidia ones
[12:30] <kerframil> LordGrunt: my experience thus far is that the new ones are more stable (and resolve compatibility issues with newer kernels including 2.6.11), but they're not packaged for Ubuntu as far as I know
[12:30] <niran> install tuxracer or neverball
[12:30] <kerframil> LordGrunt: I'm talking about the non-open drivers here
[12:30] <niran> and try out the 3D support
[12:31] <LordGrunt> afaik official driverss are free :)
[12:31] <kerframil> LordGrunt: yes, just not in the FLOSS sense ;)
[12:31] <niran> but not Free
[12:31] <niran> if nvidia dropped linux support tomorrow
[12:32] <niran> we'd be screwed with newer kernel versions
[12:32] <niran> because they don't maintain ABI
[12:32] <kerframil> LordGrunt: you can get 1.0.6629 packaged
[12:32] <niran> so the Free drivers are important
[12:32] <kerframil> LordGrunt: if you want 1.0.7167 then get them from nvidia's site
[12:33] <kerframil> niran: we know that, but in the meantime some folks like to use the fancy 3D acceleration features that they coughed up for ;)
[12:33] <kerframil> niran: I agree that it's an important issue
[12:33] <niran> yeah, i still use the proprietary ATI drivers
[12:33] <niran> at the moment
[12:34] <niran> but i havent been able to test out the open ones
[12:34] <niran> DRI issues and i havent restarted in a while
[12:34] <kerframil> niran: look at it another way, it's implausible that they will got open-source with the driver core and we should consider ourselves lucky that they make a considerable effort to track new kernel releases
[12:34] <LordGrunt> it doesnt really matter how new they are, i just want it to work. so i can stick with ubuntu package, but i need acceleration. do thesee provide it?
[12:34] <niran> yeah i know that
[12:34] <dstevens> keisashankara: with you on that ditch  gnome for icewm or icewm-lite
[12:34] <niran> i'm glad
[12:34] <kerframil> LordGrunt: yes, they do - you may need to add a repo to get them
[12:34] <trygvebw> Hi, what is cspi called on ubuntu?
[12:34] <keisashankara> dstevens I here you there
[12:35] <LordGrunt> im just ensuring b4 installing anything
[12:35] <kerframil> LordGrunt: it's in "restricted" for hoary
[12:35] <keisashankara> dstevens Do you know anything about desktop icons? I have only been able to get dfm going so far
[12:36] <kerframil> LordGrunt: look for "nvidia-glx"
[12:36] <mjr> kerframil, look at it another way; screw their driver, if they'd just document their hardware so that free drivers could be made (sure, they'd probably be slower for quite a while, *shrug*)
[12:36] <niran> mjr: ha, that'd be the best
[12:36] <dstevens> keisashankara, sorry mate only use icewm-lite, no desktop icony things.
[12:36] <LordGrunt> k, glx = 3d and kernel=normal?
[12:36] <niran> but we all know that's not happening
[12:36] <kerframil> mjr: I know, but unfortunately this world isn't ideal, and isn't going to be any time soon
[12:36] <_axel> so if nvidia is broken in 2.6.10, will i be able to use an older kernel like 2.6.8.1 and still get hoary working?
[12:36] <keisashankara> dstevens No worries. I just need to make things easy
[12:37] <scandium> wait half a year and hope that TechSource's open graphics card will be a success ;)
[12:37] <kerframil> _axel: yes, and btw the new drivers work perfectly in 2.6.11
[12:37] <_axel> kerframil: ah
[12:37] <_axel> kerframil: and are the new drivers in hoary?
[12:37] <_axel> kerframil: or i have to install by hand?
[12:37] <kerframil> _axel: no, you have to install by hand
[12:37] <dstevens> having file on the 'desktop' really slows me down and so much entropy to my workflow  so i dont really bother with desktop stuff.
[12:38] <kerframil> _axel: unless I've missed something - Daniel Stone packaged the previous versions
[12:38] <_axel> kerframil: k
[12:38] <kerframil> _axel: I'm very new to Ubuntu, but that might be the first thing I learn to do (package the newer drivers)
[12:38] <_axel> i better download the drivers now before im stuck with a non-working X ;)
[12:39] <kerframil> _axel: yeah - well if you do screw up just tell grub to boot your kernel with "single"
[12:39] <ghita> hello!I have instaled dbus-1 from an untrusted source and something whent wrong so now i'm trying to uninstall it,but i can't because it has a lot of dependencies.How can i remove dbus-1 with out it's dependencies?Please help!
[12:39] <keisashankara> Dstevens Cool, I hear ya, I am just fine tuning a system for a computer recycling project. It basically has to be simple enough that even Jessica simpson can use it
[12:40] <ghita> how can i remove a package without it's dependencies?
[12:40] <niran> ghita: you just remove it
[12:41] <niran> the dependcies should stay
[12:41] <niran> things that depend on it will go though
[12:42] <dstevens> yup icewm is the way to go, installed ltsp with ice as default wm, at senior school 1550 students they loved icewm, you should have no troubles with your choice of WM,  damn even the 'WM for Window Manager sound terroistic'
[12:42] <ghita> niran:when i try to uninstall it says that 282 MB will be freed so i don't think the dependencies will stay:)
[12:43] <niran> what packages does it say will be removed?
[12:43] <ghita> evrything including gnome,evolution etc.
[12:44] <niran> uh
[12:44] <niran> what package?
[12:44] <ghita> dbus-1
[12:44] <niran> all that depends on dbus
[12:44] <niran> you cant remove it
[12:45] <kerframil> ghita: first, boot into single mode. secondly, dpkg -r --force-depends dbus-1
[12:45] <kerframil> ghita: thirdly, install the official one again
[12:45] <ghita> ok
[12:46] <ghita> thx
[12:46] <ghita> i try that
[12:46] <ghita> can i go telinit 1
[12:46] <kerframil> ghita: yes, probably
[12:47] <kerframil> ghita: I'm not sure exactly what you did, but if it thinks that it's already installed then use the --reinstall parameter for apt-get
[12:48] <kerframil> ghita: also, if you add -P then dpkg will remove (without warning) the config files that dbus may own (which may be what you want in this case)
[12:49] <keisashankara> #join icewm
[12:49] <keisashankara> that worked well
[12:52] <virtuald> http://leksak.allyourba.se/~danielh/xvidix-b0rk.png how do i fix this? it's stuck on vdesk 1
[12:54] <kalis> Anybody here got autorefresh in nautilus working with gamin?
[12:55] <rel> Hi, I'am looking for OSS weblog that can also do agenda/todo list? Anyone a tip?
[12:58] <kerframil> kalis: I'm suspecting that the problem may be that hoary isn't currently using a kernel with inotify enabled (required)
[12:58] <kerframil> kalis: I presume you're using hoary?
[12:59] <sege> are there any nice way of getting a bluetooth-mouse to work in X? anyone has a good howto?
[12:59] <amiroff> hello, does anyone know a program to record online radio streams I play with rhythmbox ?
[01:01] <httpdss> i have an Intel 885 and cant get Xinerama work correctly on xorg ... the top gnome panel appears as a black line that cant be accessed and the bottop panel doesnt even appear
[01:09] <naibed> hi
[01:11] <SiRrUs> good morning people
[01:13] <ompaul> in which archive do the avi codecs live?
[01:14] <SiRrUs> ompaul not sure I just added the repos and updated
[01:14] <hank_> Ahoi, Anyone know where to direct the config files for the ubuntu headers when making a module?
[01:15] <ompaul> SiRrUs, thanks, not really an option not on DSL pay as you go dialup here :(
[01:16] <SiRrUs> ah maybe enable universe
[01:18] <hank_> KNow of any good tutes on compiling modules in ubuntu?
[01:19] <SiRrUs> hank_ what are you attempting to compile
[01:21] <kalis> Argh! Do i really have to have inotify in the kernel to get autorefresh in nautilus?
[01:22] <SiRrUs> kalis whee did you hear that
[01:22] <kalis> i may have got it all wrong, but doesnt gamin use inotify?
[01:22] <hank_> WEll several programs i've downloaded. 1.  A VPN client, 2. a drum machine. Whatever I try to configure wants to know where the linux headers are.
[01:23] <netpuppy> kalis: AFAIK gamin doesn't need inotify
[01:23] <Rattboi> hank_, what drum machine?
[01:23] <Rattboi> I want one too
[01:23] <netpuppy> That's why GARNOME uses it in favor of famd
[01:24] <kalis> netpuppy: HHmm! So how do i get nautilus to autorefresh then? With FAM it worked!
[01:24] <netpuppy> kalis: I dunno - I use famd :)
[01:24] <BleSS> somebody with laptop using apm? I need output's /proc/apm to check the battery 'grep -i battery /proc/apm'
[01:24] <kalis> netpuppy: hehe!
[01:25] <netpuppy> Err.. or do I.. I'm at an Ubuntu box ATM, I think they use gamin
[01:25] <netpuppy> But I have no clue how they make it work
[01:25] <hank_> Ratboi, http://www.hydrogen-music.org/
[01:25] <hank_> hehe rattboi, great nick
[01:26] <membreya_> anyone here well versed in galeon?
[01:27] <kerframil> netpuppy: gamin just works, provided that inotify is enabled in the kernel (and that gnome-vfs was built with fam compliance)
[01:28] <kerframil> netpuppy: I have installed hoary very recently and have experienced problems with it, my first guess would be that the new kernel supplied doesn't have inotify enabled
[01:28] <ElVirolo> hi all!
[01:29] <dstevens> hi all, Editors, personally i use vim, but im looking for an decent lightweight editor to help someone traverse from an' OS.nonames mentioned' to Linux.Ubuntu , like nedit, gedit but with a file tree explorer. ? anyone.
[01:29] <[Spooky] > hey folks isnt it "sudo apt-get install package_name --fix-missing" ?
[01:29] <kalis> kerframil: Exactly! Inotify isnt enabled in the hoary default kernel. That seems like a stupid thing to do since gamin is used instead of fam ;)
[01:30] <membreya_> dstevens: nautilus? :P
[01:30] <ElVirolo> i'm having an annoying prob with Hoary : I recently did an upgrade, which included the kernel and now I can't boot my system anymore : I get a "Kernel Panic - not syncing : attempted to kill init!"
[01:30] <ElVirolo> if you want the whole error message, I can't post it in #flood for you
[01:30] <dstevens> nautilus, not really a lightweight editor ?
[01:30] <membreya_> dstevens: no, but it lets you explore and then you double click the file you want to open :P
[01:31] <dstevens> gedit is very nice but missing a tree explorer
[01:32] <netpuppy> kerframil: you could check out /boot/config*
[01:32] <dstevens> nautilus, is also a little buggy, not really suited for job, need something simple no configuring to much.
[01:33] <netpuppy> dstevens: try out rox
[01:33] <ElVirolo> can anyone help me ?
[01:34] <netpuppy> ElVirolo: that's kinda hard to answer when we don't know your problem
[01:34] <SiRrUs> ElVirolo when did you get the kernel
[01:34] <netpuppy> oh
[01:34] <netpuppy> sorry
[01:34] <ElVirolo> netpuppy, :)
[01:34] <SiRrUs> ?
[01:34] <ElVirolo> SiRrUs, yesterday i think
[01:34] <dstevens> does anyone know of some thing simular to gedit but with tree explorer, like nautilus, but lightweight as gedit.
[01:34] <httpdss> i have an Intel 885 and cant get Xinerama work correctly on xorg ... the top gnome panel appears as a black line that cant be accessed and the bottop panel doesnt even appear
[01:34] <koen_> i got spammed :|
[01:34] <SiRrUs> ElVirolo did you read the channel topic?
[01:35] <koen_> I have a geforce 2 should i get special drivers ?
[01:35] <ElVirolo> Sirius : yes... so ?
[01:35] <SiRrUs> that maybe your problem
[01:35] <Seveas> hello
[01:35] <Thom_Ubuntu> koen_: accoridng to the current irc topic, the nvidia drivers are broken
[01:35] <ElVirolo> I don't have an Nvidia card :)
[01:35] <Seveas> please someone kick and ban ZurnaNet297
[01:35] <Sianis> hi all
[01:35] <Seveas> he is spamming
[01:36] <Thom_Ubuntu> koen_: so i guess it depends on if you run warty or hoary
[01:36] <SiRrUs> ElVirol should read the whole line nvidia is broken in hoary with kernel 2.6.10-26 (possibly more)
[01:36] <koen_> i got a spam aswell, something about free software blabla
[01:36] <[Spooky] > Yepp ZurnaNet297 is spamming...
[01:36] <koen_> okay, so ill have to wait until and update is ready for nvidia ?
[01:37] <SiRrUs> ElVirol so you may want to load the last working kernel you had
[01:37] <koen_> I didnt know geforce is by nvidia :)
[01:37] <ElVirolo> SiRrUs, sorry, I might be very stupid, but I don't get it :-P
[01:37] <Solatis> what is good mp3 ripping software ?
[01:37] <ikaro> abcde
[01:37] <Seveas> fghij
[01:37] <ikaro> im not joking
[01:37] <SiRrUs> ElVirolo it says (possibly more) whats not to get :)
[01:37] <Seveas> :)
[01:38] <ElVirolo> cdparanoia + lame
[01:38] <ikaro> http://www.hispalinux.es/~data/abcde.php
[01:38] <Solatis> ikaro: :P
[01:38] <Solatis> ikaro: thanks, i'll look into it :)
[01:38] <SiRrUs> ElVirolo anyway you may just want to load the last working kernel you had
[01:38] <dstevens> gedit is nice for a new user but the file explorer really is a missing feature, does anyone know how much work it would be to add such a feature.
[01:38] <Solatis> ikaro: does it support cddb (or that opensource variant) lookup ?
[01:38] <ikaro> yep
[01:39] <Solatis> cool :)
[01:39] <ikaro> you put the cdrom in the drive and type abcde
[01:39] <ikaro> thats about it.
[01:39] <Solatis> ok cdrom is in
[01:39] <Solatis> typing abcde :P
[01:39] <ikaro> but id recomend that you take a look at /etc/abcde/abcde.conf first :>
[01:39] <ElVirolo> SiRrUs, the problem is it rewrote my menu.lst and I can't remeber what version I had
[01:39] <zyv> hi everyone !! how can i use number pad on my keyboard to move the mouse on X11  ???
[01:39] <netpuppy> ikaro: I actually think it pulls itself in if you type abcde
[01:40] <SiRrUs> ElVirolo i see well i am no help to you then sorry
[01:40] <ikaro> zyv, shift+Num Lock to activate
[01:40] <zyv> thnx ikaro lets try ....
[01:40] <ikaro> zyv, then same keycombo to de-activate
[01:40] <zyv> ok thnx ikaro
[01:40] <ikaro> np
[01:40] <ElVirolo> SiRrUs, would it be possible to install a package on my hoary system fromanother system (ubuntu live cd for instance) ?
[01:40] <Solatis> how come when i put in the cd, a cd player starts playing it... but when i try to mount the cd, it says 'incorrect filesystem type' ?
[01:41] <ElVirolo> SiRrUs, thx a lot anyway :)
[01:41] <ikaro> netpuppy, what ?
[01:41] <mjr> Solatis, you can't mount music cds
[01:41] <SiRrUs> ElVirolo it maybe but it might be quicker just to reinstall only takes about 20 mins
[01:41] <Solatis> mjr: ah ok :)
[01:41] <mjr> if that's what you were trying
[01:41] <darksatanic> Solatis: You can't mount audio CDs. They don't contain a filesystem.
[01:41] <Solatis> mjr: yes
[01:42] <ElVirolo> SiRrUs, I might do that ... the prob is I download *a lot* of software from universe, so I'll have to do it again
[01:42] <ElVirolo> thanks anyway
[01:42] <SiRrUs> yw good luck
[01:43] <kerframil> netpuppy: good idea
[01:43] <kerframil> netpuppy: hmm, so much for that theory - it's enabled in 2.6.10-4 at least
[01:44] <Solatis> ikaro: thanks, it seems to be working like a charm
[01:45] <RQ> hi
[01:45] <RQ> [-www_krutas_com is a warez-advertising bot ;/
[01:47] <membreya> when an application is updated, ie when there's a new version..how does it get onto the repo's?
[01:48] <RQ> a packager packages it
[01:48] <niran> i.e. the MOTU
[01:48] <membreya> just there's a new release of galeon out today :)
[01:48] <SiRrUs> membreya there are a few of the packagers that spend time in this channel
[01:48] <crimsun> for universe, it depends if it's a revision or a completely new version
[01:49] <membreya> new release to work better with gnome 2.10
[01:49] <BleSS> could i use acpi in all systems? or it needs a bios with support acpi
[01:49] <membreya> my galeon keeps crashing though :(
[01:49] <membreya> the good old save dialogue, trying to open a directoy I have since deleted :(
[01:49] <membreya> kills my entire gnome
[01:49] <SiRrUs> hello crimsun
[01:49] <niran> membreya: since i installed hoary a day or two ago, i've been using epiphany instead of firefox
[01:49] <crimsun> hi SiRrUs
[01:49] <niran> i'm pleasantly surprised
[01:50] <membreya> only just gotten used to galeon niran :)
[01:52] <Symbiote> can someone help me with this - checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[01:53] <niran> install the -dev package for qt
[01:53] <Symbiote> i did
[01:53] <crimsun> the nice thing about epiphany-browser in Ubuntu is that it's built against mozilla-firefox-dev
[01:53] <Symbiote> libqt3-mt-dev
[01:53] <zyv> hi everyone !! I work with 1024x768 resolution on X but when i try to work in 800x600 by key combination "ctrl alt +" I get 800x600 but with a virtual screen of 1024x768, what changes i need to make on XF86Config-4 to get real 800x600 with no virtual screen ?
[01:53] <Symbiote> still it says that its not found
[01:54] <niran> symbiote: what are you trying to build?
[01:55] <Symbiote> valknut
[01:55] <Symbiote> wait i think i found the problem
[01:55] <Symbiote> echo $QTDIR shows nothing
[01:55] <Symbiote> im gona try to export it
[01:56] <membreya> what is this damn bot that keeps pm'ing me when I sign on
[01:56] <reon> anyone here rebuild skype for amd64 ???
[01:56] <niran> if i'm not mistaken, valknut is dcgui-qt in ubuntu
[01:56] <membreya> reon: why do you need to rebuild it ?
[01:56] <niran> but why not use dcgui?
[01:56] <orp> i ppl
[01:56] <Symbiote> ah no wonder i didnt find it
[01:56] <reon> as far as i know the 32bit version does not run on amd64
[01:56] <zyv> hi everyone !! I work with 1024x768 resolution on X but when i try to work in 800x600 by key combination "ctrl alt +" I get 800x600 but with a virtual screen of 1024x768, what changes i need to make on XF86Config-4 to get real 800x600 with no virtual screen ?
[01:57] <Symbiote> heh thanks niran
[01:57] <orp> some one use darkstat?
[01:57] <niran> you're welcome
[01:57] <membreya> oh yeah ..thought it was in the repo reon... I have it installed yes
[01:57] <Symbiote> now all i need to fix is the video settings :/
[01:57] <Symbiote> games i run lag really badly
[01:57] <reon> membreya, you know something I dont ?
[01:59] <niran> does anyone here know about getting DRI to work with the open ati drivers?
[01:59] <dies_irae> Does anyone know of a way to change the uim-anthy hotkey to something besides shift+space?
[01:59] <niran> dri works for me with fglrx
[01:59] <niran> but not with the x.org drivers
[02:00] <niran> (II) RADEON(0): [drm]  drmOpen failed
[02:05] <_Demian_> help
[02:05] <_Demian_> :)
[02:05] <_Demian_> again
[02:06] <_Demian_> anyone?
[02:06] <SiRrUs> _Demian_ anyone ?
[02:08] <InitMass> i've got a 4.9kb .jpg image that i would like to use as an avatar in gaim. i have set it but no one can see it. what to do?
[02:08] <_Demian_> if anyone could help me :)
[02:09] <InitMass> _Demian_, with what?
[02:09] <SiRrUs> _Demian_ might help if you just asked your question :)
[02:09] <_Demian_> :)
[02:09] <_Demian_> In the synaptic packet thingy I added the universal files
[02:10] <_Demian_> but it doesn't install
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[02:10] <Digis> ad bot
[02:10] <zenwhen> do you get an errror?
[02:10] <SiRrUs> did you reload?
[02:10] <Digis> ban him
[02:10] <_Demian_> I have to change the local setting
[02:10] <_Demian_> i did reload
[02:10] <_Demian_> and then installed
[02:10] <_Demian_> but it gave an error
[02:11] <SiRrUs> installed what?
[02:11] <_Demian_> a whole lot of packages
[02:11] <_Demian_> but it gave the same error over and over again
[02:11] <SiRrUs> _Demian_ are you using howary or warty?
[02:11] <SiRrUs> oops hoary
[02:11] <_Demian_> siru hoary
[02:12] <_Demian_> the older version
[02:12] <_Demian_> i need to change the local settings to dutch
[02:12] <_Demian_> that's my question
[02:12] <_Demian_> :)
[02:12] <SiRrUs> in synaptic under repositories update them
[02:13] <heatxsink_> hello all I'm back
[02:13] <_Demian_> SiRrUs, I did
[02:13] <_Demian_> SiRrUs,
[02:13] <_Demian_> SiRrUs, and then it installed
[02:13] <_Demian_> the packages
[02:13] <heatxsink_> I have a question, does anyone know how the ubuntu developers got those "o" do be the invisible chars in their password fields?
[02:14] <SiRrUs> _Demian_ sounds good so far
[02:14] <_Demian_> then I selected all of them with the automated thingy
[02:14] <_Demian_> and installed them
[02:14] <_Demian_> then it tried to install
[02:14] <_Demian_> but it gave the same error over and over
[02:14] <_Demian_> I can't copy and paste it
[02:14] <_Demian_> :)
[02:15] <_Demian_> perl warning
[02:15] <_Demian_> please check that your local settings
[02:15] <_Demian_> language = "nl:en_GB",
[02:15] <SiRrUs> _Demian_ guess i am just tired but I dont understand what your trying to do, sorry
[02:16] <_Demian_> SiRrUs, :)
[02:16] <Thom_Ubuntu> nl:en_GB
[02:16] <Thom_Ubuntu> that sounds wrong
[02:16] <_Demian_> right
[02:16] <jonnyl15> Anybody know how to remove the boot options from my primary hard disk when it boots so it doesn't automatically start ubuntu if i dont make a choice
[02:16] <_Demian_> and nothing works now
[02:17] <_Demian_> I need to change the local settings
[02:17] <_Demian_> that's what it says
[02:17] <Thom_Ubuntu> _Demian_: a bit late, i know, but when installing ie. linux or whatever its always just the safest option to use ie. en_US and not do any language localizations
[02:17] <_Demian_> I just don't know where and how to do that :D
[02:17] <Bubbling_Zombie> _Demian_, : http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuNederlandsEr
[02:17] <_Demian_> Thom_Ubuntu, that means I have to install it again
[02:17] <Thom_Ubuntu> not yet, lemme look around my install a bit
[02:17] <_Demian_> Bubbling_Zombie, I did that
[02:17] <heatxsink_> anyone?
[02:17] <Bubbling_Zombie> ow, k ^_^
[02:18] <Bubbling_Zombie> i wouldn't know tho, i use an english version, sorry -_-
[02:18] <_Demian_> :)
[02:18] <_Demian_> so there is no way to change the language settingd?
[02:18] <Lemon> newb question: if install from a source deb, does it compile itself? can i install from a source deb at all?
[02:19] <crimsun> Lemon: what do you mean "install from a source deb"?
[02:19] <Seveas> Lemon, you can build a binary deb from a source deb
[02:19] <Seveas> and then install that one
[02:20] <Lemon> okay, so it's not compiling and installing at it's own?
[02:20] <Seveas> btw: i assume that with source deb you mean that what you get with apt-get source
[02:20] <crimsun> nope, it requires what Seveas mentioned.
[02:20] <jonnyl15> Anyone want to help me with my problem?
[02:20] <Seveas> since there aren't really source debs
[02:20] <Lemon> Seveas, they aren't?
[02:20] <crimsun> (well, there are actual source debs, like alsa-source, but there you compile them)
[02:20] <Seveas> Lemon, what you get with apt-get source aren't deb files :)
[02:21] <Seveas> but sources to build them
[02:21] <Seveas> with dpkg-buildpackage and the like
[02:21] <Lemon> okay :) so i can just uncheck them in synaptic?
[02:21] <Lemon> the src repos
[02:21] <Seveas> jonnyl15, edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[02:21] <Seveas> Lemon, yes
[02:21] <Lemon> thanks :)
[02:21] <jonnyl15> thanks
[02:21] <Seveas> if you dont't want to use apt-get source that is...
[02:21] <niran> i would kill for working suspend and hibernate.
[02:22] <RQ> sugar inetd[8641] : auth/tcp: bind: Permission denied
[02:22] <RQ> hmmm
[02:22] <amiroff> could someone help me making all 4 speakers work with SB live ?
[02:22] <RQ> i get this in daemon.log
[02:22] <Seveas> :p
[02:22] <crimsun> amiroff: use plug:surround40
[02:22] <RQ> and bidentd doesn't seem to work
[02:22] <RQ> any ideas?
[02:22] <niran> haha, thanks seveas
[02:22] <HiddenWolf> I've just connected a usb headset to use for skype, now how can I configure it?
[02:22] <amiroff> crimsun, is that a comand?
[02:22] <niran> but one of the devs needs to tell me who to kill
[02:23] <niran> and in return, fix my problems :)
[02:23] <Seveas> lol
[02:23] <crimsun> amiroff: no, it's a built-in virtual device
[02:23] <niran> it's so close to working though
[02:24] <niran> my network card just doesn't come back up after a suspend
[02:24] <amiroff> crimsun, I am running hoary, how do I turn that on?
[02:24] <crimsun> amiroff: for instance, to use it for mplayer, you use mplayer -ao alsa:device=surround40 foo.wmv
[02:24] <mjg59> niran: Hm. Ok, what errors do you get?
[02:25] <crimsun> amiroff: to use it in beep-media-player or xmms, you'd set the output plugin to alsa, then configure the alsa output plugin to use the plug:surround40 device
[02:25] <Seveas> niran, that take it down before suspend
[02:25] <niran> one sec, lemme open the logs i saved
[02:25] <niran> it gets taken down
[02:25] <mjg59> Seveas: The suspend scripts do that automatically
[02:26] <dieffel> hello all! i've installed hoary and w32codecs, but i can't see any xvid and divx only mpeg? Whats wrong?
[02:26] <niran> 8139too Fast Ethernet driver 0.9.27
[02:26] <niran> 8139too: 0000:00:07.0: Chip not responding, ignoring board
[02:26] <niran> 8139too: probe of 0000:00:07.0 failed with error -5
[02:26] <niran> that's what happens on resume
[02:27] <quitte> there is a onjoin spammer
[02:27] <quitte> [-www_krutas_com
[02:27] <Vjaz> Anyone using an Atheros card (madwifi driver) and Netapplet?
[02:27] <mz2> what sort of format is that .vob that i get as a result when ripping a dvd?
[02:27] <sir_hellis> need help with NeroLinux, i get the following wrror when i install with the .deb package
[02:27] <libpng> isnt there any operator? [-www_krutas_com is a bot i think
[02:27] <sir_hellis>  Unable to locate loadable module in module_path: "libindustrial.so",
[02:27] <mjg59> niran: Ah, right. Hrm. That makes life awkward.
[02:27] <mjg59> libpng: He's quit
[02:27] <amiroff> crimsun, I selected alsa in xmms and pasted this into audio device box: "plug:surround40 hw:0,0"
[02:27] <niran> mjg59, indeed
[02:27] <Lemon> mz2, mpeg2
[02:27] <no0tic> brb
[02:27] <amiroff> crimsun, is that ok ?
[02:27] <ikaro> sir_hellis, install the industrial engine.
[02:28] <ikaro> or use another gtk2 theme
[02:28] <mz2> Lemon, is it just "pure" mpeg2 with no tricks? :)
[02:28] <niran> apparenly 8139too has been buggy in respect to power management in recent kernels
[02:28] <mjg59> niran: Can you edit /etc/acpi/prepare.sh and at the bottom put modprobe 8139too
[02:28] <crimsun> amiroff: no
[02:28] <mjg59> That way we leave the driver loaded and its suspend code may work
[02:28] <crimsun> amiroff: use only plug:surround40
[02:28] <Lemon> uhm.. i think so
[02:28] <niran> mjg59: ok, one sec
[02:28] <amiroff> crimsun, yeah, it did not work
[02:29] <niran> mjg59: at the bottom of prepare.sh, as in leave it in during suspend?
[02:29] <amiroff> crimsun, now it worked but only front speakers :(
[02:29] <mjg59> niran: Correct
[02:30] <niran> ok, i'll try and suspend now
[02:30] <johnnybezak> do any of you guys know of comprehensive gnome fonts to replace the standard one's (possibly with a bit more colour :))
[02:30] <_demian_> hmmmz
[02:30] <Lemon> mz2, main difference is that it use ac3 sound.. take a look at this: http://www.videohelp.com/dvd#tech
[02:31] <crimsun> amiroff: and all 4 speakers are plugged in, and the volume sliders are set properly and unmuted?
[02:31] <mz2> Lemon, i see. actually, in the case i have i could just scrap the audio completely out of the file. how'd i do that?
[02:32] <Lemon> mz2, that's called demuxing, so you'd have to use a demuxer
[02:35] <_demian_> I'm using ubuntu warty
[02:35] <_demian_> I need to change my local settings
[02:35] <_demian_> :(
[02:35] <amiroff> crimsun, ok, now after I added "Wave Surround" to volume control the began to work, is that all I should do?
[02:35] <sir_hellis> ikaro, do i have to reinstall nero after installing industrial engines
[02:36] <amiroff> crimsun, now sound quality seems better man, thanks a lot for help
[02:37] <ikaro> sir_hellis, no
[02:37] <thoreauputic> _demian_: locales?  try sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[02:37] <crimsun> amiroff: np :-)
[02:37] <SysFail> morning
[02:37] <_demian_> thoreauputic, thnx
[02:38] <_demian_> thoreauputic, still doesn't work
[02:38] <_demian_> I get the same error
[02:39] <amiroff> crimsun, now, I have to find out how to make this work with amarok, rhythmbox and other media apps
[02:39] <_demian_> perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
[02:39] <SysFail> brb gona reload...prelink is done
[02:39] <_demian_> perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
[02:39] <_demian_>         LANGUAGE = "nl:en_GB:en",
[02:39] <_demian_>         LC_ALL = (unset),
[02:39] <_demian_>         LANG = "nl"
[02:39] <Parallax_> what is " nvidia is broken in hoary " ??
[02:39] <thoreauputic> _demian_: what error? and what are you trying to do?
[02:39] <_demian_> i was installing packages with the manager
[02:39] <_demian_> I installed the universal packeges and all
[02:40] <_demian_> it's faling back on standard C
[02:40] <_demian_> ("C")
[02:40] <thoreauputic> _demian_: what package are you installing? Does it support international locales?
[02:41] <johnnybezak> dammit the firefox in hoary atm is broken
[02:41] <_demian_> perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
[02:41] <_demian_> perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
[02:41] <_demian_>         LANGUAGE = "nl:en_GB:en",
[02:41] <_demian_>         LC_ALL = (unset),
[02:41] <_demian_>         LANG = "nl"
[02:41] <_demian_>     are supported and installed on your system.
[02:41] <_demian_> perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").
[02:41] <_demian_> locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
[02:41] <_demian_> locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory
[02:41] <_demian_> locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory
[02:41] <_demian_> /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: locales is broken or not fully installed
[02:41] <_demian_> sorry for that
[02:41] <_demian_> yes
[02:41] <_demian_> it went wrong at the universal packeges
[02:41] <_demian_> I got that error
[02:42] <djaydjay> cococ
[02:42] <thoreauputic> _demian_: /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: locales is broken or not fully installed << this looks like the poblem
[02:42] <_demian_> sorry... yes...
[02:42] <_demian_> but how do I fix it
[02:42] <_demian_> :)
[02:43] <_demian_> I just installed Ubuntu
[02:43] <thoreauputic> _demian_: try sudo apt-get install --reinstall locales
[02:43] <membreya_> lo there thoreauputic :)
[02:43] <niran> mjg59: that almost worked
[02:43] <thoreauputic> membreyahi
[02:43] <mjg59> niran: Ah. What's up with it now?
[02:43] <thoreauputic> membreya hi
[02:43] <niran> i can't get an ip
[02:43] <kreiger> http://cgi.4chan.org/f/src/linux.swf
[02:43] <thoreauputic> _demian_:  sudo apt-get install --reinstall locales
[02:43] <johnnybezak> agh damn crash happy firefox
[02:43] <_demian_> thoreauputic, I did
[02:44] <mjg59> niran: Ok, so the card doesn't come back up completely.
[02:44] <_demian_> a whole lot of errors again
[02:44] <niran> mjg59: ah.
[02:45] <thoreauputic> _demian_: keep it in the channel
[02:45] <SiRrUs> _demian_ you using warty or hoary
[02:45] <mjg59> niran: That's a driver bug in the kernel, so it's a bit awkward for us to fix it. Could you submit a bug against linux on bugzilla.ubuntu.com and add mjg59@codon.org.uk to the Cc: list?
[02:45] <_demian_> warty
[02:45] <_demian_> SiRrUs,
[02:45] <thoreauputic> _demian_: there are other people who might help
[02:45] <SiRrUs> an hour ago you said hoary
[02:45] <niran> mjg59: sure
[02:45] <SiRrUs> ;)
[02:45] <_demian_> SiRrUs, I was wrong
[02:45] <_demian_> my apologies
[02:45] <_demian_> the old version
[02:45] <_demian_> that's what i said as last :)
[02:45] <niran> mjg59: thanks for your help
[02:46] <_demian_> I don't want to past all the errors in here :)
[02:46] <_demian_> it'l be a mess
[02:46] <Bubbling_Zombie> i bet they're used to it ^_^
[02:46] <thoreauputic> _demian_: use a pastebin
[02:46] <tranceConscious> I've just installed hoary and downloaded the ati's drivers. how do i install them?
[02:46] <tranceConscious> what packages do i need to install first
[02:46] <_demian_> thoreauputic, how do i do that?
[02:46] <Bubbling_Zombie> http://rafb.net/paste <- _demian_
[02:47] <tranceConscious> can someone help here?
[02:47] <SiRrUs> time for more coffee by the way hello thoreauputic
[02:47] <thoreauputic> SiRrUs: hi :)
[02:47] <spiderworm> hey all, want to install ubuntu on this laptop, want it to dual boot ubuntu and winXP, the intaller gave me some options for partitioning, my system has 3 partitions and im not sure how to set it up without hosing winXP, can someone help?
[02:48] <thoreauputic> hmm... coffee for me too, brb
[02:48] <_demian_> http://rafb.net/paste/results/OBoW7186.html
[02:48] <_demian_> :)
[02:48] <_demian_> what time is it at your places then SiRrUs
[02:49] <StoffBox-Steve> hmm i forgot somethink to install ? --- checking for C++ compiler default output file name... configure: error: C++ compiler cannot create executables
[02:49] <membreya_> ooo setting up a domain controller between two pc's...sounds like fun :)
[02:50] <HiddenWolf> How can I check which /dev/dsp is my usb headset
[02:50] <crimsun> HiddenWolf: cat /proc/asound/cards
[02:51] <HiddenWolf> crimsun: thanks
[02:51] <_demian_> can anyone take a look at this for me please
[02:51] <_demian_> http://rafb.net/paste/results/OBoW7186.html
[02:51] <thorcoffee> StoffBox-Steve:  sudo apt-get install build-essential
[02:51] <mince> HUGARU :)
[02:51] <kent> when I translate a .po file, should i use utf then when I edit the file?
[02:51] <_demian_> I don't think this is a common problem
[02:52] <crimsun> kent: it's always a good idea
[02:52] <membreya_> I'm so hideously appaled, there's not been one update of hoary come down today
[02:52] <membreya_> apart from me switching to 2.6.11
[02:52] <jacquesmerde> how come if i do a dist-upgrade && upgrade && dist-upgrade, the final dist-upgrade upgrades MORE packages...i've never understood it...
[02:52] <Symbiote> do i need to install video drivers on an freshly installed ubuntu and how do i do it
[02:52] <crimsun> membreya_: it's the weekend ;-)
[02:53] <kent> crimsun, so utf wont be a problem?
[02:53] <crimsun> kent: nope
[02:53] <membreya_> appalled even..before thor gets in :)\
[02:53] <_demian_> thoreauputic, could you help me some more?
[02:53] <_demian_> :)
[02:53] <_demian_> I'm really getting fed up with this
[02:53] <kent> crimsun, thanks!
[02:53] <Bubbling_Zombie> Symbiote, what is your video card?
[02:54] <Symbiote> geforce2 mx400
[02:54] <tranceConscious> what extra packages do i need to get in order to install the ati drivers???
[02:54] <Bubbling_Zombie> sec
[02:54] <Symbiote> k
[02:54] <Symbiote> its nvidia
[02:54] <tranceConscious> what extra packages do i need to get in order to compile apps that come in sources???
[02:55] <thoreauputic> _demian_: looks like you didn't install locales for nl properly when you first installed?
[02:55] <niran> tranceConscious: build-essential
[02:55] <Bubbling_Zombie> http://ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver <- Symbiote
[02:55] <_demian_> thoreauputic, it gave an error yes
[02:55] <tranceConscious> niran: thanx man
[02:55] <niran> and the dev packages for the dependencies of the program in question
[02:55] <_demian_> thoreauputic, does that mean it's indeed best to reinstall and choose english
[02:55] <niran> no problem
[02:55] <Symbiote> thanks
[02:55] <Bubbling_Zombie> np
[02:56] <tranceConscious> niran: how about the ati drivers? don't i need the kernel source/headers or something??
[02:56] <thoreauputic> _demian_: it appears to be complaining that your locales don't exist on the system
[02:56] <_demian_> how come?
[02:56] <_demian_> I installed it just now
[02:56] <niran> tranceConscious: the package should install whatever dependencies it needs, i thin
[02:56] <niran> k
[02:56] <_demian_> it did give an error while installing
[02:56] <_demian_> but now nothing works
[02:57] <_demian_> the entire .config thing is blown :)
[02:58] <thoreauputic> _demian_: don' know - looks like you did something evil to your system...
[02:58] <_demian_> hehehe
[02:58] <_demian_> maybe because i left windows on it ;)
[02:58] <deFrysk> prutser noemen ze dat ;p
[02:58] <thoreauputic> _demian_: but I don't know, sorry
[02:58] <niran> is anyone here successfully using DRI with the free ati drivers?
[02:59] <_demian_> deFrysk, geen prutsers gewoon beginnelingen
[02:59] <deFrysk> hehe lol
[02:59] <_demian_> dat was iedereen ooit
[02:59] <_demian_> :P
[03:00] <tranceConscious> niran: when I go to /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod and do a sh make.sh I get a "kernel includes at /usr/src/linux/include not found or incomplete"
[03:00] <heatxsink_> I have a question, does anyone know how the ubuntu developers got those "o" do be the invisible chars in their password fields?
[03:00] <heatxsink_> I have a question, does anyone know how the ubuntu developers got those "" to be the invisible chars in their password fields?
[03:00] <niran> tranceConscious: are you using the ubuntu provided fglrx, or from the ati website?
[03:00] <tranceConscious> niran: from the ati site
[03:00] <niran> ubuntu provides it in a nice, easy to install package
[03:01] <niran> apt-cache search fglrx
[03:01] <_demian_> if it works :P
[03:01] <jacquesmerde> how come if i do a dist-upgrade && upgrade && dist-upgrade, the final dist-upgrade upgrades MORE packages...i've never understood it...
[03:01] <tranceConscious> niran: I aliened the rpm and dpkg -i --force-overwite
[03:02] <niran> tranceConscious: that doesn't sound like fun. why not use the ubuntu package?
[03:02] <tranceConscious> niran: the ubuntu package is slow and not as good as ati's driver (that's what I read in the forums)
[03:02] <niran> is there a newer version or something?
[03:02] <niran> because it _is_ ati's driver
[03:02] <tranceConscious> niran: yes
[03:02] <niran> oh ok
[03:03] <niran> i think what you want is the linux-headers package
[03:03] <niran> search for i
[03:03] <niran> t
[03:03] <tranceConscious> let me try it
[03:03] <membreya_> i gotta stop rebooting..every 2 or 3 reboots my nvidia driver stops working and I have to recompile it :P
[03:04] <membreya_> can anyone think of any dangers in converting my root fs into reiserfs on a SATA drive?
[03:05] <tranceConscious> niran: found it, downloading it....
[03:05] <xxenon> Im install hoary preview...them Im planning to add the KDE packages..last time I did that, KDE did not appear in GDM...
[03:05] <xxenon> I hope it's fixed..
[03:06] <HiddenWolf> I'm starting rhythmbox in my session, but I'd like it to open minimised to notification area, is that possible?
[03:06] <raz0> tranceConscious, Tried this? http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html
[03:06] <raz0> tranceConscious, It has the latest version of the ATI driver packaged for debian. I can't see why it wouldn't work for ubuntu too.
[03:07] <InitMass> is there a tool like modprobe in ubuntu?
[03:07] <membreya_> InitMass: yes it's called modprobe
[03:07] <niran> there _is_ modprobe in ubuntu
[03:08] <daniels> raz0: totally different kernels, for one
[03:09] <InitMass> membreya_, sorry i meant modconf
[03:09] <InitMass> niran, i meant modconf
[03:09] <da_root> how can i configure resolution for console? perhaps tty1 ..... ttyn
[03:09] <lunitik> InitMass, afaik, modconf was dropped from Debian...
[03:09] <niran> ah.
[03:09] <tranceConscious> raz0: thanx man.
[03:10] <niran> before i file a bug let me just make sure...
[03:10] <niran> is anyone using the free ati drivers with DRI?
[03:11] <InitMass> lunitik, so there is no modconf in debian anymore?
[03:11] <raz0> daniels, It should work - you only need the kernel headers.
[03:11] <tranceConscious> raz0: one more question. I only get my resolutions in 60Hz. The list does not display any other frequencies (in System -> Preferences -> Screen Res.) How do I fix that???
[03:11] <lunitik> xxenon, you just look on the "Sessions" button via GDM... worked here.
[03:11] <lunitik> InitMass, pretty sure I covered that with "dropped"... cept its still in woody  :/
[03:11] <xxenon> lunitik - yes, it was not there last time I tried. Im reinstalling now, with the new preview
[03:12] <raz0> tranceConscious, It might be that you need to tweak the Horizontal and Vertical refresh rates specified for your monitor in xorg.conf
[03:12] <Symbiote> Bubbling_Zombie, still it lags badly :/
[03:12] <Symbiote> if i change game settings to 565 colors its ok
[03:12] <raz0> tranceConscious, You can look them up in your monitor's manual.
[03:12] <Symbiote> but 565 look really bad :/
[03:12] <InitMass> lunitik, sorry. i'm not a native english speaker so i just wanted to be sure
[03:13] <libpng> da_root, edit the grub conf. add to kernel line "vga=781"  then reboot
[03:13] <tranceConscious> raz0: I've done that but I still can't choose anything else in that dropdown box
[03:13] <lunitik> da_root, note, 781 = 1024x768... may or may not be actually what you want...
[03:13] <Symbiote> depth is set to 16 should be fine
[03:14] <raz0> tranceConscious, Is that true for all the resolutions available?
[03:17] <fr500> Hello
[03:18] <fr500> java just freezes my browser on certain applets, others work just fine
[03:18] <fr500> any clues?
[03:19] <libpng> fr500 there is good howto for java. www.ubuntuguide.org
[03:19] <fr500> libpng, i followed it
[03:20] <usual> hi
[03:20] <heatxsink_> what is the default pdf reader called in ubuntu?
[03:20] <HiddenWolf> I'm starting rhythmbox in my session, but I'd like it to open minimised to notification area, is that possible?
[03:20] <[Spooky] > heatxsink: xpdf ?
[03:20] <HiddenWolf> heatxsink_: xpdf
[03:20] <agd> hi guys, got a realy dumb question. I just downloaded the linux binary of bitchx irc client, rolled it out to home, went to execute it but nothing happens?
[03:20] <libpng> xpdf
[03:20] <heatxsink_> HiddenWolf: how about that one gnome pdf reader?
[03:21] <usual> I can't beleive nero released a linux version
[03:21] <heatxsink_> wow
[03:21] <SidDithersL> I heard that if you go to burn a cd, it wipes your linux partition clean :X
[03:21] <niran> uh, the default isn't gpdf?
[03:21] <agd> tried CD to cd to home, then sudo bitchx to see if thats what i needed to do, but apprently not
[03:21] <HiddenWolf> heatxsink_: gdpf
[03:22] <fr500> SidDithersL, what?
[03:22] <SidDithersL> lol i was jking, its a windows bug
[03:22] <membreya> with windows you have the option of doing a system recover to replace all the vital components..does ubuntu offer the same thing?
[03:22] <usual> But it's free, if you buy a windows version
[03:23] <membreya> just remember kid's, never do a convertfs on / ... I lost everything!
[03:23] <usual> membreya, it's called backup
[03:23] <usual> hehe
[03:23] <niran> heatxsink_: if you're using hoary, evince is the best gnome pdf reader out there right now
[03:23] <KrLoS> hi people...
[03:23] <KrLoS> please... i a a new ubuntu user
[03:23] <fr500> KrLoS, just ask the question
[03:24] <KrLoS> I Want to know wath are the diference between warthy and hoary
[03:24] <gsuveg> KrLoS: many
[03:24] <agd> ones current, ones dev
[03:24] <KrLoS> that are the most important for me..
[03:24] <usual> well I guess only you would know that
[03:24] <KrLoS> hoary is the dev.. ?
[03:24] <gsuveg> me freeze my box the gdm actualy
[03:25] <httpdss> could someone tell me where can i find support for snappy video snapshot ... (linux support) .. or something to make it work
[03:25] <Roey> hello
[03:25] <fr500> Warty is stable Hoary is soon gonna be stable
[03:25] <Roey> I am wondering why ubuntu's Xorg is compiled without evdev support.
[03:25] <agd> KrLoS ones public-stable and the others the upcomming release of ubuntu, ie: under dev
[03:25] <Roey> I do "strings /usr/bin/X | grep evdev" and see nothing
[03:25] <fr500> KrLoS, Hoary is in development
[03:26] <KrLoS> when can i find more differences... in the ubuntu page... i cant found it...
[03:26] <jacquesmerde> how come if i do a dist-upgrade && upgrade && dist-upgrade, the final dist-upgrade upgrades MORE packages...i've never understood it...
[03:26] <fabbione> Roey: evdev is an extern module for X
[03:26] <fabbione> but it's there
[03:26] <Roey> fabbione: as per this web page http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=46
[03:26] <Roey> fabbione:  it is?
[03:26] <Roey> fabbione:  for ubuntu even?
[03:26] <fabbione> Roey: yes
[03:26] <xxenon> Im booting hoary preview, it just hangs at "Starting hotplus subsystem..." ...great ...
[03:26] <fabbione> yes
[03:26] <agd> KrLoS if your a new linux user i would recommend the stable release of warty
[03:26] <fabbione> and yes
[03:26] <xxenon> hotplug*
[03:26] <agd> ie: the ISO avalible on the site
[03:26] <KrLoS> i have the stable...
[03:26] <Roey> fabbione:  where can I find it, do you know?
[03:26] <KrLoS> i am new in ubuntu...
[03:26] <Roey> fabbione:  like.. is it a downloadable thing for hoary?
[03:27] <fabbione> Roey: it's just there..
[03:27] <membreya> I think from now on, I'm going to do a daily backup of my linux onto a DVD >:(
[03:27] <KrLoS> but I want to know the differences...
[03:27] <andrewski> is hoary still considered development or is there a new branch?
[03:27] <fabbione> Roey: it's already part of hoary
[03:27] <Roey> fabbione:  what's the package called?
[03:27] <agd> KrLos then theres no real reason to be using hoary unless your planning on bug testing, hacking out bugs, or just good old beta testing ;p
[03:27] <gsuveg> if you news use warty
[03:28] <fr500> KrLoS, fixes, new features, go to the wiki page for that
[03:28] <dash> agd: sure there is! newer things
[03:28] <thoreauputic> andrewski: still dev, a new branch will start after april ( Bendy Badger? )
[03:28] <dash> agd: newer things are gooder
[03:28] <fabbione> Roey_ you have it installed together with the X server. it's there. please trust me
[03:28] <andrewski> thoreauputic: thanks, i saw that hoary was released, but saw (only here) that it was a preview. :P
[03:28] <Roey> fabbione:  ok, do you know the module name to load?
[03:28] <fabbione> evdev
[03:28] <Xappe> thoreauputic, grumpy the groundhog will be a constantly unstable branch after Hoary iirc
[03:29] <Roey> fabbione:  thank you
[03:29] <fabbione> Roey: no problem
[03:29] <andrewski> Xappe: so grumpy will be unstable and then they'll pull from that to make stable branches?
[03:29] <crimsun> why is roey here? ;-)
[03:29] <Entity> what package is needed to provide KERNELPATH? (hoary)
[03:29] <thoreauputic> Xappe: so grumpy would be the equivalent of Debian Sid ?
[03:29] <fabbione> Entity: linux-headers
[03:29] <Xappe> andrewski, thoreauputic, something like that I believe
[03:30] <Roey> crimsun:  I wanted to find evdev support for X
[03:30] <fabbione> but KERNELPATH is an env var that you need to set
[03:30] <Roey> crimsun:  :)
[03:30] <Entity> fabbione, thanks`ok
[03:30] <andrewski> Xappe: sweet, i've thought that would be a good idea.
[03:30] <agd> god what is it with gnome, everytime i close a window it says the window aint responding, but the window is :\
[03:30] <KrLoS> thaks a lot
[03:30] <Roey> agd:  it's a feature borne of tremendous amounts of carefully planned market research
[03:30] <crimsun> Roey: yeah, it's nice. :-)
[03:31] <Roey> =)
[03:31] <agd> lol
[03:31] <Roey> crimsun:  I'm wondering whether to install alioth's debian-amd64 repo or ubuntu
[03:31] <agd> its getting annoying, think im going to have to switch to blackbox or the likes
[03:31] <Roey> crimsun:  see, I'm done with this xfree86.  I don't want it.
[03:32] <membreya> anyone got a razor blade I can slash my wrists with ? :|
[03:32] <andrewski> how do i add a new font to my system?
[03:33] <agd> Nope mem, but if you find one, pass it becuase im about to snap at the sheer stress level of being new to linux lol
[03:33] <SysFail> i have a razorblade
[03:33] <membreya> agd: I just got everything how I wanted it after about a month ...and do you think I backed it up? nooooooo
[03:33] <andrewski> agd: don't give up.
[03:33] <dash> i'm impressed at how many new linux users come through here every day
[03:33] <agd> andrewski i cant even install an app :|
[03:34] <andrewski> membreya: you could just backup /home and /etc and have everything; you wouldn't need to do a lot.
[03:34] <andrewski> agd: why not?
[03:34] <agd> i just downloaded a binary of bitchx ye
[03:34] <agd> unrolled to home
[03:34] <marcin_ant> membreya: suicidal tendencies?
[03:34] <andrewski> agd: why?
[03:34] <agd> go to run it and nothing
[03:34] <agd> !
[03:34] <membreya> andrewski: providing those directories are still there
[03:34] <SysFail> isnt bitchx in synaptic?
[03:34] <dash> agd: yeah, don't do that
[03:34] <kreiger> dash, i think that Ubuntu is the perfect distro for those who don't want mandrake or suse, but can't handle gentoo or debian
[03:34] <dash> agd: use aptitude or synaptic
[03:34] <membreya> i know the home directory is
[03:34] <andrewski> membreya: well, i'm saying nothing about your current situation, but it's very doable to backup those two folders.
[03:34] <Panzerboy> hi guys
[03:34] <dash> kreiger: well, so far i think that ubuntu is probably the perfect distro for people who _can_ handle gentoo or debian
[03:34] <Panzerboy> just a quick question
[03:35] <andrewski> agd: yes, use synaptic.
[03:35] <membreya> should I just grab knoppix or should I grab a live-cd of ubuntu?
[03:35] <Panzerboy> is it possible to install ubuntu directly from the live cd?
[03:35] <dash> kreiger: but have more interesting things to do with their lives ;D
[03:35] <kreiger> I couldn't get a stage 3 install working
[03:35] <andrewski> dash: hear hear.
[03:35] <kreiger> i, for some reason, didn't mount the proper file systems
[03:35] <kreiger> mmm
[03:35] <spiderworm> hey all i just installed ubuntu on my laptop, when it tries to start gdm the screen starts scrolling like mad, the refresh rate is incorrect i guess???  how do i fix that?
[03:35] <kreiger> i'm looking forward to SkyOS
[03:36] <dash> kreiger: so, i think you're right, i just don't think about that perspective much :)
[03:36] <kreiger> i'll get a warez and see how it runs
[03:36] <dash> spiderworm: crazy!
[03:36] <andrewski> spiderworm: xconfig or xcfg
[03:36] <membreya> should I just grab knoppix or should I grab a live-cd of ubuntu?
[03:36] <andrewski> spiderworm: and make sure you enter the correct values for the refresh rate.
[03:36] <spiderworm> andrewski: those commands arent found... im in recovery mode now
[03:36] <dash> membreya: clearly you should get ubuntu
[03:36] <kreiger> either orks
[03:36] <kreiger> don't install knoppix tho
[03:36] <andrewski> spiderworm: well, i forget the name of it. :)
[03:36] <kreiger> ew
[03:36] <kreiger> man
[03:37] <kreiger> hot mt dew tastes like shit
[03:37] <membreya> dash: it's only to grab the /etc and /home directories
[03:37] <membreya> lol kreiger
[03:37] <kreiger> k. anyway, peace all, work in 7 hours
[03:37] <dash> membreya: huh. for what purpose?
[03:37] <membreya> dash: cos I trashed my system
[03:37] <membreya> I did a convertfs /dev/sda3 (root) ext3 reiserfs
[03:37] <dash> zoinks
[03:38] <dash> i have never heard of "convertfs" but it sounds scary
[03:38] <membreya> glad I have a local mirror..getting ubuntu at 750kB/s
[03:38] <SidDithersL> can someone here walk me through installing wpa_supplicant? I spent all day trying to get it setup and working and got nowhere :(
[03:38] <Bubbling_Zombie> :p
[03:38] <SidDithersL> I could really use someones help on this
[03:38] <superted> i want to use this repository, ( http://people.debian.org/~goedson/packages/ubuntu/warty/gnomebaker/releases/i386/ ) but i can't figure out what to have in sources.list, anyone?
[03:39] <kmanTFM_> hello
[03:39] <kmanTFM_> is there a default password for root set during ubuntu setup ? because I don't remember being asked for one
[03:39] <spiderworm> where the hell is grub.conf???
[03:39] <andrewski> kmanTFM_: i don't think there is.
[03:39] <superted> kmanTFM_: you users password
[03:39] <Bubbling_Zombie> somewhere in boot
[03:39] <crimsun> spiderworm: it's called /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:39] <andrewski> spiderworm: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:39] <membreya> spiderworm: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:39] <andrewski> lol
[03:39] <membreya> ROFL
[03:39] <Bubbling_Zombie> :p
[03:39] <Bubbling_Zombie> that was scary
[03:39] <dash> kmanTFM_: there isn't, you use sudo
[03:40] <spiderworm> thanx
[03:40] <andrewski> does anyone know how to download a new font and use it?
[03:40] <kmanTFM_> thaks dash
[03:40] <kreiger> before i leave, i just wanna say i am probably the ONLY person in here with a mohawk
[03:40] <kreiger> thank you.
[03:40] <kreiger> good night
[03:41] <crimsun> kreiger: false.
[03:41] <andrewski> lol
[03:41] <kreiger> ooo
[03:41] <kmanTFM_> is this a good aproach, giving a poweruser the ability to sudo ?
[03:41] <kreiger> crimsun, you got one too?
[03:41] <dash> kreiger: you can't just say that to a crowd of 400 people
[03:41] <andrewski> kreiger: suddenly, you want to stay, eh?
[03:41] <kreiger> yes
[03:41] <dash> kreiger: someone's going to call you on it :)
[03:41] <kreiger> people who have mohawks are my friends
[03:41] <crimsun> kreiger: no, my roommate, who was online earlier, has one
[03:41] <kreiger> but he's not here NOW
[03:41] <spiderworm> andrewski: well i cant find that xconfig program you're talking about...
[03:41] <dash> kmanTFM_: sudo is how I admin all my linux boxes, at home and at work :)
[03:41] <crimsun> that's only because he walked outside to get the newspaper 2 minutes ago
[03:41] <andrewski> spiderworm: h/o
[03:42] <libpng> andrewski, put the font somewhere in /usr/share/fonts and just type "fc-cache" in that directory
[03:42] <kreiger> heh
[03:42] <kreiger> what's he got?
[03:42] <andrewski> libpng: ah, fc-cache.   thanks.  what about /usr/local/share/fonts?
[03:42] <kreiger> like, how long is his hair?
[03:42] <crimsun> kreiger: 3"
[03:42] <kreiger>  *nod*
[03:42] <dash> andrewski: ~/.fonts also works
[03:42] <kreiger> mine is just above 1/2
[03:42] <kreiger> 1 1/2
[03:42] <kreiger> i'm growing it out
[03:42] <andrewski> dash: what about /usr/local/share/fonts?
[03:42] <dash> andrewski: as well as that one, yeah
[03:43] <kreiger> i just shaved the rest of it down myself. scary shit to do.
[03:43] <andrewski> dash: thanks.
[03:43] <membreya> I have a tattoo kreiger..does that count as cool ? :P
[03:43] <kreiger> I have one too.
[03:43] <dash> andrewski: look at /etc/fonts/fonts.conf for more info :)
[03:43] <kreiger> Also,i think i've seen you
[03:43] <andrewski> dash: ah, ok.  thanks for that. :)
[03:43] <kreiger> one sec
[03:43] <libpng> time is up
[03:44] <membreya> damn downloading 2 iso's at once :( one is going at 600kB/s, the other at 350 :(
[03:44] <Bubbling_Zombie> :p
[03:44] <gsuveg> membreya: doh
[03:44] <Phr0stByte> membreya: the problem with that?
[03:44] <membreya> Phr0stByte...too slow
[03:44] <tobias> helo
[03:44] <Bubbling_Zombie> oh, that's so slow *cough*
[03:45] <kreiger> membreya,  is this you?
[03:45] <kreiger> http://www.bmezine.com/tattoo/A41118/high/tattoo4.jpg
[03:45] <Bubbling_Zombie> i'm happy when i get speeds like that -_-
[03:45] <tobias> I have a problem with XMMS. Can someone help me please?
[03:45] <membreya> ha ha kreiger:P
[03:45] <dash> tobias: maybe! what's up
[03:45] <Bubbling_Zombie> lol
[03:45] <tobias> i can't play mp3-files...
[03:45] <kreiger> http://www.bmezine.com/tattoo/A41116/high/tattooingrid1e.jpg
[03:45] <tobias> i tried to play with mpg123, and it worked!
[03:45] <kreiger> *sigh*
[03:45] <andrewski> dash: do i then need to restart X or anything else?  i'm not seeing it.
[03:45] <apokryphos> tobias: check the "restricted formats" article on the site
[03:46] <membreya> kreiger: once I get back into linux I will post a pic of my dragon tat :)
[03:46] <thoreauputic> heh, "click on image for full view" it says on the site I'm looking at.... but all the images are blank :/ Nice going....
[03:46] <dash> andrewski: hmmmm
[03:46] <dash> andrewski: where are you looking?
[03:46] <kreiger> membreya,  people who do stuff like this i will never understand
[03:46] <kreiger> http://www.bmezine.com/tattoo/A50106/high/bmegl002815.jpg
[03:46] <andrewski> dash: xfce and inkscape... gtk2 apps.
[03:46] <dash> andrewski: try "xset fp rehash" maybe?
[03:47] <membreya> thoreauputic: I'm sure the sadistic side of you will laugh at the fact that I'm in windows right now because I trashed my linux :'(
[03:47] <dash> andrewski: does fc-list show it?
[03:47] <membreya> kreiger: that's a waste of ink and skin
[03:47] <kreiger> yes
[03:47] <kreiger> there is worse
[03:47] <kreiger> one sec
[03:47] <andrewski> dash: yes, but i checked after i did xset etc.  h/o
[03:47] <SidDithersL> can someone here help me? I type this in root: apt-get install gcc gmake, it tells me gcc is the latest version, but gmake package can't be found
[03:47] <thoreauputic> membreya: actually, contrary to your impression,, i'm a softy and I feel for you ...
[03:47] <andrewski> dash: yeah, still not there.
[03:47] <SidDithersL> how can I get it to find the gmake package?
[03:48] <crimsun> gmake? make == gmake
[03:48] <apokryphos> SidDithersL: get the "build-essential" package...
[03:48] <kreiger> here
[03:48] <SidDithersL> that didnt do anything :/
[03:48] <SidDithersL> build-essential
[03:48] <kreiger> membreya, the worst tattoo i've ever seen
[03:48] <SidDithersL> lemme see
[03:48] <kreiger> http://www.bmezine.com/tattoo/A50131/high/bmegl013512.jpg
[03:48] <kreiger> it's not even DONE very well
[03:48] <sjoerd> SidDithersL: you can just use make, gmake is the bsd name for gnu make
[03:48] <membreya> thoreauputic: hopefully I can retrieve the /etc and /home directory.. I know /home is still there..but it's my config files I care about..going to learn to do regular backups to DVD
[03:49] <dash> SidDithersL: try 'build-essentials'
[03:49] <kreiger> mem, backup to usb
[03:49] <kreiger> it's easier
[03:49] <kreiger> faster, too
[03:49] <dash> membreya: a livecd isn't going to have anything in /home
[03:49] <membreya> kreiger: I bet that guy get's bashed up lots
[03:49] <SidDithersL> ok I used synaptic to install build-essential, but when i type the command again it still says it can't find package "gmake"
[03:49] <SidDithersL> :/
[03:49] <membreya> dash: I'm going to mount my old FS
[03:49] <thoreauputic> membreya: I once rm -rf ed from the root directory of a woody install by mistake - lost half of /etc before I stopped it - I felt *So* stupid...
[03:49] <andrewski> dash: so, should i restart?
[03:49] <dash> SidDithersL: why are you typing gmake?
[03:49] <apokryphos> SidDithersL: no, you don't need gmake.
[03:49] <dash> membreya: oh oh right, i misunderstood
[03:50] <SidDithersL> apt-get install gcc gmake
[03:50] <just_> I'v got an USB problem with 2.6.8, 2.6.10 and 2.6.11, on amd64; when I plug my device i get:
[03:50] <kreiger> k. anywya, reading before bed
[03:50] <just_> ehci_hcd 0000:00:02.2: port 2 reset error -110
[03:50] <kreiger> or something
[03:50] <SidDithersL> when I type that thats the message I get
[03:50] <kreiger> peace
[03:50] <just_> hub 3-0:1.0: hub_port_status failed (err = -32)
[03:50] <SidDithersL> no gmake package
[03:50] <dash> andrewski: hmm, maybe. but if fc-list doesn't show it, i suspect that will not help
[03:50] <membreya> kreiger: considering my install was 3gb i think usb is out of the question :P
[03:50] <membreya> ciao :)
[03:50] <apokryphos> SidDithersL: you *dont* need gmake.
[03:50] <thoreauputic> membreya: amazingly, a combo of apt and a backup brought it back to life
[03:50] <dash> SidDithersL: why are you typing gmake?
[03:50] <apokryphos> *don't
[03:50] <da_root> with kde i got a problem! on the bottom i've the normal panel and on top i have another, sometimes the entrys are away in the top panel, how can i config this panel?
[03:50] <KreigerAway> membreya, one secy
[03:50] <KreigerAway> sec
[03:50] <membreya> thoreauputic: i knew things were bad when I was still in linux and it said "ls - command not found"
[03:50] <SidDithersL> because thats what the install wiki says to type?
[03:50] <spiderworm> gee thats funny... my usb laser mouse is lit up, getting power up until it gets to the Starting hotplug subsystem part of the boot... anyone know why that might be?
[03:50] <dash> SidDithersL: oh really? where's this?
[03:50] <apokryphos> da_root: er... what? You have more than one panel in kde?
[03:51] <SidDithersL> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WPAHowto
[03:51] <SidDithersL> first command
[03:51] <dash> hmmm
[03:51] <membreya> well my ubuntu install ISO is done, just go to do the livecd :)
[03:51] <SidDithersL> er, make that second
[03:51] <thoreauputic> membreya: OMG - yes that would tell you something was amiss....
[03:51] <gilles> i have the following msg when trying to open a .mov : "There were no decoders found to handle the stream in file "file:///home/gilles/Fran%C3%A7ois/Mariage%202003.mov", you might need to install the corresponding plugins"
[03:51] <dash> SidDithersL: What the heck
[03:51] <SidDithersL> yep.
[03:51] <dash> SidDithersL: i am fixing that now
[03:51] <SidDithersL> er, tnx
[03:51] <SidDithersL> O_o
[03:51] <gilles> despite that the w32codecs are installed
[03:51] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell gilles uburestricted
[03:51] <Pyre> gilles: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:51] <SidDithersL> lol
[03:52] <KreigerAway> http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-214-009&depa=1
[03:52] <gilles> apokryphos, Pyre: i know thanks, i did install the codecs, as i said
[03:52] <KreigerAway> my usb stick
[03:52] <KreigerAway> <3
[03:52] <KreigerAway> k
[03:52] <KreigerAway> now i'm out
[03:52] <apokryphos> gilles: what are you oepning it with?
[03:53] <SidDithersL> thank you dash for fixing that
[03:53] <gilles> apokryphos: totem
[03:53] <just_> someone for my kernel/usb problem ?
[03:53] <dash> SidDithersL: so yeah, 'make' is the actual name
[03:53] <gilles> i can't open mplayer, despite it's installed, i don't know why
[03:53] <apokryphos> gilles: I had problems playing .mov a while back with that too, IIRC. Have you tried using one of the other players?
[03:53] <SidDithersL> ahh I gotcha.
[03:54] <apokryphos> gilles: xine? And... did you follow the instructions for installing mplayer? It is recommended that you get a specific package.
[03:54] <membreya> that's one thing that REALLY irks me with windows..it never catches up speed on a download..ie my downloads were going at 650 / 350kB/s...the 650kB is done but the 350 is still at 350
[03:54] <gilles> apokryphos: i have totem-gstreamer, it can't play anything
[03:55] <gilles> apokryphos: ok, i'll try totem-xine instead
[03:55] <apokryphos> gilles: what? Just try playing with the xine player..
[03:56] <SidDithersL> dash, everything seems to be working now, ill keep you posted. thanks for pointing that out for me
[03:56] <apokryphos> gilles: if installing mplayer, make sure you follow the instructions for getting the specific one as suggested in the aforementioned link.
[03:56] <membreya> hey..look at it this way thoreauputic.. I have array6 on CD now ....shame the final is next month :P
[03:56] <apokryphos> gilles: it's likely that it won't work without it; I had the same problem.
[03:57] <dash> SidDithersL: it's no fun when the docs are wrong :)
[03:57] <SidDithersL> hehe
[03:57] <mksoft> hello
[03:57] <niran> totem-gstreamer can play things if you have all the plugins
[03:57] <da_root> yeah i think its customized for ubuntu!
[03:57] <niran> my problem was that the sound was out of syn
[03:57] <niran> c
[03:58] <spiderworm> is there a simple way to set up an eth0 device?
[03:58] <jono> anyone used firewire with ubuntu? which device in /dev/ contains the firewire device for the dv1394 module?
[03:59] <mksoft> I'm looking for a tutorial on using cdbs. Something that starts from scratch (you have a source tarball...)
[03:59] <looksaus> what is the cleanest way to change a configure option in a source package?
[04:00] <membreya> hooray...both cd's are down..just burning the live-cd now
[04:00] <membreya> god this better work
[04:00] <membreya> or I'm going back to windows!
[04:00] <Bubbling_Zombie> that makes baby jesus cry :<
[04:00] <Bubbling_Zombie> *cough*
[04:00] <thoreauputic> membreya: sure you are... I believe you, thousands wouldn't ;)
[04:01] <gilles> perhaps it's because i'm using hoary?
[04:01] <dash> spiderworm: did you try clicking on System->Administration->Networking?
[04:01] <membreya> :P
[04:01] <srid> I want to log all URLs accessed by my users somehow. I know I have to install a proxy. Could anyone suggest me the ways to do this easily?
[04:01] <membreya> burning is done, off to try and retrieve some sanity :)
[04:01] <srid> specifically HTTP urls at least
[04:01] <dash> mksoft: third google hit for 'cdbs' seems most promising
[04:01] <membreya> srid: install squid and configure it with webmin
[04:01] <membreya> piece of piss
[04:01] <membreya> and make sure you install calamaris
[04:02] <belo> hello guys
[04:02] <srid> membreya, any simpler solution?
[04:02] <membreya> it's as simple as it gets :)
[04:02] <srid> i mean, squid would be a overkill
[04:02] <mksoft> dash, the one in docuWiki ?
[04:02] <belo> is there a ubuntu ppc room?
[04:02] <srid> i also need quite a good performance
[04:02] <dash> mksoft: yeah
[04:02] <srid> and not many features, except logging
[04:02] <thoreauputic> belo: not specifically
[04:02] <srid> dash, ubuntuuuuu!
[04:03] <dreamwave> hi.  does the ubuntu cd come with a utility to resize hard drive partitions?
[04:03] <mksoft> dash: 10x. been there already. Can't get it to work. Trying to package a new version of quixote, no go.
[04:03] <thoreauputic> belo: some people here use ppc
[04:03] <looksaus> belo, like me
[04:03] <belo> thore a
[04:03] <dash> srid: hi
[04:03] <srid> hi dash
[04:03] <InitMass> i've made some changes in the /etc/sudoers file and now i can't edit it because i don't have permission as user and not as root because it can't be opened
[04:03] <thoreauputic> belo: try tab to complete a nick ;)
[04:04] <belo> looksaus can I ask u one (ore 2) thing
[04:04] <belo> thoreauputic: coool
[04:04] <InitMass> sudo /etc/sudoers
[04:04] <InitMass> >>> sudoers file: syntax error, line 22 <<<
[04:04] <InitMass> >>> sudoers file: syntax error, line 23 <<<
[04:04] <InitMass> sudo: parse error in /etc/sudoers near line 22
[04:04] <mjg59> InitMass: Boot into recovery mode
[04:04] <belo> thoreauputic: TAB is a cool key in linux
[04:04] <InitMass> mjg59, in grub?
[04:04] <mjg59> InitMass: Yes
[04:04] <Chipzz> InitMass: heh
[04:04] <apokryphos> belo: indeed
[04:04] <mjg59> Then you can edit the file
[04:04] <thoreauputic> InitMass: well, you even have the line numbers...
[04:04] <looksaus> belo, highly improbable I'll be able to answer, but I'll do my best...
[04:04] <mjg59> Use visudo
[04:04] <Chipzz> InitMass: you can't execute that file
[04:05] <Chipzz> InitMass: it's a config file
[04:05] <jan__> hello
[04:05] <looksaus> belo, what's the problem?
[04:05] <jan__> im having problem with my touchpad
[04:05] <belo> looksaus: Im using a first generation ibook
[04:05] <Chipzz> you need to supply an editor on that line
[04:05] <jan__> I have just installed ubuntu warty
[04:05] <InitMass>  sudo nano /etc/sudoers
[04:05] <InitMass> >>> sudoers file: syntax error, line 22 <<<
[04:05] <InitMass> >>> sudoers file: syntax error, line 23 <<<
[04:05] <InitMass> sudo: parse error in /etc/sudoers near line 22
[04:05] <jan__> and the touchpad on this laptop is not enabled
[04:05] <InitMass> Chipzz, ^^
[04:05] <jan__> its an travelmate 2200 from acer
[04:05] <dash> Chipzz: not relevant, sudo has to parse sudoers before it can do anything :)
[04:05] <belo> looksaus: And I wonder If its possible to get my ati card working, like accelerating...
[04:06] <jan__> anyone know what I might have to do to get it working?
[04:06] <looksaus> belo, isn't it by default already?
[04:06] <Chipzz> ah hmm
[04:06] <dash> InitMass: The moral of the story is, always use visudo, never edit sudoers directly :)
[04:06] <InitMass> brb
[04:06] <looksaus> are you sure?
[04:06] <dash> InitMass: it will not let you save the file if it doesn't parse
[04:06] <Chipzz> forgot that :)
[04:06] <jan__> is there some program which I can use to detect the touchpad?
[04:06] <looksaus> what rates does glxgears give you?
[04:06] <InitMass> dash, that's good
[04:06] <looksaus> what version of Ubuntu are you running?
[04:06] <InitMass> dash, i din't see why before but now i do
[04:06] <belo> lookorez: how do I find out if its doing the job?
[04:07] <InitMass> brb and thanx
[04:07] <apokryphos> jan__: I don't use a laptop, but you'll likely want to do one of these things: (i) upgrade to hoary (recommended), or (ii) reconfigure your x; I believe there's an option there for mouse detection.
[04:07] <jan__> im helping a friend install ubuntu and it would be nice if he could use his mouse ;)
[04:07] <looksaus> belo, run "glxgears"
[04:07] <belo> lookorez: thnx
[04:07] <libpng> InitMass, just give a write permission to that file.
[04:07] <looksaus> this is just a test for 3d acceleration
[04:07] <libpng> to late
[04:07] <jan__> apokryphos, I wont use hoary, before it is released
[04:07] <apokryphos> jan__: from what's been said on here, Warty support for laptops wasn't too good.
[04:07] <jan__> yea
[04:07] <jan__> anyways thats what I have now
[04:07] <apokryphos> jan__: it's up to you, but not too good a decision. You're missing out on all the latest stuff.
[04:08] <zyaga> Why doesn't chmod work like normal in Ubuntu?
[04:08] <apokryphos> zyaga: sure it does
[04:08] <belo> lookorez: is it possible to copy text from xterm?
[04:08] <zyaga> I tried, keeps telling me different.
[04:08] <thoreauputic> zyaga: umm.. it does
[04:08] <apokryphos> zyaga: what's the error?
[04:08] <looksaus> belo, do it in #flood, sec
[04:08] <zyaga> too few arguments
[04:08] <jan__> also I have tested the preview release of hoary and its very unstable for me, so I wont install it on anybodies computer before it has been released
[04:08] <apokryphos> zyaga: then you have too few arguments :). See man chmod
[04:08] <SysFail> its been great for me
[04:08] <jan__> what programs are available to configure x then?
[04:08] <zyaga> I have.
[04:09] <belo> lookorez: whatis that #flood thing?
[04:09] <apokryphos> jan__: very unstable? Well, up to you. The vast majority of people in here are using it.
[04:09] <looksaus> it's a channel ment for pasting larger vbodies of text
[04:09] <looksaus> bodies of text
[04:09] <apokryphos> jan__: you can use dpkg reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[04:09] <jan__> okay
[04:09] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: missing hyphen
[04:09] <apokryphos> whoops, yeah
[04:10] <thoreauputic> dpkg-reconfigure
[04:10] <apokryphos> jan__: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[04:10] <thoreauputic> jan__: you need sudo before the command
[04:10] <apokryphos> zyaga: and have you follows the instructions? What are you typing?
[04:11] <looksaus> sorry belo, will have to go... but what you're trying to do is really about the same as on x86 (pentium, ...) do
[04:11] <apokryphos> *followed
[04:11] <critter> Anyone else have problems getting firefox to install plugins. More to the point Java plugins??
[04:11] <looksaus> just that you can't use closed drivers on ppc
[04:11] <niran> critter: er.. how are you installing the java plugin?
[04:11] <krischan> Hello everyone.
[04:12] <thoreauputic> critter: this is covered on http://ubuntuguide.org
[04:12] <niran> critter: you can't do it through firefox's dialog
[04:12] <zyaga> I got it, thanks anyways.
[04:12] <apokryphos> critter: http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre-mozilla
[04:12] <krischan> After upgrading to Hoary Preview, did anybody experience a Kernel panic on the next boot-up?
[04:12] <jono> what is the /dev/ audio device in ubuntu for alsa?
[04:12] <critter> I D/L from java jre-1_5_0_01-linux-i586-1.bin But my file roller wont open it
[04:12] <belo> thoreauputic: please, can u help me with this thing? how do I find out if my ATI Rage Mobiliti AGP2x is working?
[04:12] <dash> jono: they're in /dev/snd
[04:13] <thoreauputic> belo: did you run glxgears from a terminal? what fps do you see?
[04:13] <SidDithersL> ok, now I setup my config and everything for wpa_supplicant, but I must've done something wrong. I get this error: IFACE -DCONFIG_XSUPPLICANT_IFACE   -c -o pcsc_funcs.o pcsc_funcs.c, pcsc_funcs.c:18:22: warning: winscard.h: No such file or directory, pcsc_funcs.c:89: error: parse error before "SCARD_IO_REQUEST"
[04:13] <SidDithersL> and it just snowballs from there :/
[04:14] <belo> thoreauputic: between 96 and 112
[04:14] <xxenon> critter - it has to be run from command line
[04:14] <libpng> critter, use "sh jre-1_5_0_01-linux-i586-1.bin"
[04:14] <SidDithersL> then at the end it says: pcsc_funcs.c:707: error: `SCARD_S_SUCCESS' undeclared (first use in this function), make: *** [pcsc_funcs.o]  Error 1
[04:14] <critter> Ok trying that now
[04:14] <SidDithersL> anyone know what I did wrong?
[04:14] <thoreauputic> belo: it's not working then. That's way low
[04:15] <dash> SidDithersL: hey /wait a second/
[04:15] <SidDithersL> ok
[04:15] <belo> thoreauputic: but thats a very lite ATi card, but I think it is low too
[04:15] <Panda> help!
[04:15] <libpng> critter, u can follow from www.ubuntuguide.org for installing java
[04:15] <Panda> i think my PC is compoletly fried
[04:15] <thoreauputic> belo: but i'm sorry, i know nothin about 3d/acceleration
[04:15] <Panda> completly^
[04:15] <dash> SidDithersL: why aren't you doing "apt-get install wpasupplicant?
[04:15] <dash> "
[04:15] <SidDithersL> I want to use the 0.3.8 version
[04:15] <critter> OK gonna give it a try.
[04:16] <belo> thoreauputic: is it possible to copy data from xterm? there is one line that I dont understand
[04:16] <SidDithersL> plus I have to learn how to do this stuff anyway so I figured why not
[04:16] <Panda> when i boot my PC, the bios screen comes up, the memory is checksed, and the IDE drives are detected... then nothing.  no boot screen, no GRUB, no LILOl, it doesn't even try to boot from cd
[04:16] <Panda> it just stays on the initial power on screen
[04:16] <dash> Panda: sounds like a hardware problem
[04:16] <Panda> mobo
[04:16] <Panda> ?
[04:17] <dash> Panda: well, check what the boot sequence is set to in the bios
[04:17] <thoreauputic> belo: of course it's possible - you just highlight it and use middle mouse button to paste
[04:17] <Panda> boot sequence = cdrom, hdd0, hdd1
[04:17] <belo> thoreauputic: im on mac
[04:17] <dash> Panda: see if you can get it to boot from floppy
[04:17] <Panda> i odn't have a floppy drive
[04:17] <Panda> :>
[04:17] <belo> thoreauputic: Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[04:17] <thoreauputic> belo: F11 and F12 to emulate mouse buttons
[04:18] <dash> Panda: guess you're screwed!
[04:18] <SidDithersL> but I'm stuck with those errors, does anyone know how I can fix them?
[04:18] <Panda> thanks linux!
[04:18] <Panda> lol
[04:18] <thoreauputic> belo: yeah, DRI is direct render I think
[04:18] <dash> Panda: heh, what makes you think this has anything to do with linux
[04:19] <belo> thoreauputic: can I get it to work?
[04:19] <Panda> b/c ubuntu hasn't worked once since i've begun trying to install
[04:19] <Panda> i guess i'm jsut a little frustraited with it
[04:19] <thoreauputic> belo: I'm really not the person to ask - I have ordinary non-accelerated onboard and I don't know this stuff
[04:19] <Panda> sec.. i'll track down my help plea on the forums..
[04:20] <dash> Panda: if your computer won't boot from /anything/ that's hard to call a software problem
[04:20] <Panda> it won't even attempt to boot..
[04:20] <Panda> thats what scares me
[04:20] <belo> thoreauputic: who knows? or can u just describe the problem to me? so I can explain it to someone..
[04:21] <SidDithersL> I get a pcsc_funcs.c error that goes from 18 all the way to 702
[04:21] <SidDithersL> I cant figure out how to fix it :/
[04:21] <SidDithersL> it tells me files are missing and everything
[04:21] <thoreauputic> belo: *shrug* - i'm not an expert - I just know a few debian related things and i help when i can
[04:22] <belo> hello,can someone help me, with running DRI on ibook with ATI rage Mobility ?
[04:24] <belo> hello,can someone help me, with running DRI on ibook with ATI rage Mobility ?
[04:24] <Panda> one more time
[04:24] <apokryphos> belo: hello, you don't need to post your comment multiple times. We hear you.
[04:24] <Panda> just incase the guys in the back couldn't see
[04:25] <belo> apokryphos: Im sorry I thought that Im disconnected
[04:25] <critter> This is what http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre-mozilla Is telling me to do " $ sudo ln -s /usr/java/jre1.5.0_01/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/" This is the files I have "jre-1_5_0_01-linux-i586-1.bin" ANd "jre-1_5_0_01-linux-i586.bin" What am I doing wrong Term says " No such file or directory" And bash: $: command not found"
[04:25] <SidDithersL> what was that? hello, can someone help me, with ruining DVI on my book with a rage mobile?
[04:25] <SidDithersL> could you repeat that please?
[04:26] <Bubbling_Zombie> lol
[04:26] <SidDithersL> :P
[04:26] <HiddenWolf> Is there any way to import thunderbird mails into evolution?
[04:26] <niran> belo: are you using xfree86 or x.org?
[04:26] <Panda> why does the internet have to be full of elitest asswipes :P
[04:26] <Panda> jk..
[04:26] <belo> niran: Xfree86
[04:26] <Panda> but not really
[04:26] <knucks> well it seems like gnone failsafe works for me
[04:26] <niran> ok, i dunno then
[04:26] <knucks> just not default
[04:26] <missmarple> hey
[04:27] <niran> i'm having issues on x.org with a radeon, but i already filed a bug on it
[04:27] <belo> niran: I could get x.org, is it better?
[04:27] <HiddenWolf> belo: marginally so
[04:28] <belo> HiddenWolf: Im just trying to get DirectRendering to work
[04:28] <libpng> critter,  ls -l /usr/java/jre1.5.0_01/plugin/i386/ns7/  ?
[04:28] <bela> hello everyone
[04:28] <HiddenWolf> belo: no clue about that, but xorg would be your best
[04:29] <critter> Thats what I pasted from the webpage
[04:29] <thoreauputic> bela: if you want xorg you need hoary, not warty
[04:29] <critter> http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre-mozilla
[04:30] <bela> is there anyone who could help me out with a minor problem?
[04:30] <Bubbling_Zombie> is it about a ati mobility with DRI?
[04:30] <thoreauputic> bela: sorry that was for belo
[04:31] <bela> it has to do with a scanner which works under hoary live cd, but does not work under hoary installed to hd
[04:31] <tck> bela, just ask away
[04:31] <libpng> critter, what u see, after typing "ls -l /usr/java/jre1.5.0_01/plugin/i386/ns7/"
[04:31] <HiddenWolf> Is there any way to import thunderbird mails into evolution?
[04:31] <chrissturm> hey guys, how can i have gdm display the login screen on the secondary display?
[04:32] <critter> "bash: $: command not found"
[04:32] <libpng> lol
[04:32] <libpng> type ls please
[04:32] <critter> But thats not the whole line this is
[04:33] <critter> " $ sudo ln -s /usr/java/jre1.5.0_01/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/"
[04:33] <niran> the $ is a prompt
[04:33] <critter> Ok Ill try
[04:33] <niran> you don't include that
[04:34] <libpng> critter did u change PATHs ?
[04:34] <libpng> critter, export | grep PATH
[04:35] <scizzo> or: echo $PATH
[04:35] <critter> No Thought the past had the default path in it
[04:35] <critter> Guess I have to find out the path first
[04:35] <bela> ...all i need would be a hint as for where to start...
[04:36] <critter> Is there an easy wat to find default path
[04:36] <libpng> critter wait
[04:36] <critter> ok
[04:37] <bretze1> Hi there, Question: I have a ttf font file, but ubuntuguide.org doesn contains guide for individual font install... How can I install that ttf font system-wide, or simply locally ?
[04:37] <gilles> the sound doesn't work well on my new hoary. i have very quick sounds each time it try to make a sound. why?
[04:38] <libpng> critter, type this ; PATH="/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games:/usr/java/jre1.5.0_01/bin"
[04:38] <libpng> critter, type this ; export PATH="/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games:/usr/java/jre1.5.0_01/bin"
[04:38] <critter> Ok will try
[04:39] <belo> x.org or Xfree86? Im using Old iBook. Special concern about ATI drivers
[04:39] <niran> gilles: type "apt-cache policy esound" in a terminal
[04:39] <thoreauputic> bretze1: try just dumping the font in ~/.fonts
[04:39] <niran> and tell me what it says next to installed
[04:39] <Panda> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=93033#post93033
[04:39] <thoreauputic> bretze1: usually works fine
[04:39] <Panda> my plea for help..
[04:39] <Thom_Holwerda> mmm evolution is oing mental
[04:39] <Thom_Holwerda> its randmonly putting emails into trash
[04:39] <gilles> niran: it's installed
[04:39] <Thom_Holwerda> :S
[04:40] <niran> gilles: have you updated recently?
[04:40] <gilles> niran: yes, i just installed the new hoary yesterday
[04:40] <bretze1> thoreauputic: hehehe, okay, but system-wide then ?
[04:40] <thoreauputic> bela: you might need to be a bit more specific with your question to get a useful answer
[04:41] <niran> gilles: do the event sounds seem normal?
[04:41] <thoreauputic> bretze1: frankly I don't know - I just did it that way
[04:41] <gilles> niran: i have a nice sound at the beginning, but then, it's always the very quick sound that looks like a buggy sound
[04:41] <InitMass> ok my sudoers file look like this: # User privilege specification
[04:41] <InitMass> root    ALL=(ALL) ALL
[04:41] <InitMass> # Added by Ubuntu installer
[04:41] <InitMass> victor  ALL=(ALL) ALL
[04:41] <InitMass> victor borgvall = NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/k3b
[04:41] <InitMass> victor borgvall = NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/firestarter. my workstation is called borgvall and my username is victor. what i want to achieve is to be able to open k3b and firestarter without root password. something is wrong but i'm having a hard time to find what. can you help please?
[04:42] <belo> thoreauputic: I just want to watch movies in mplayer and there is a graphic card in my ibook and I think that its not properly used, thats all
[04:42] <bretze1> thoreauputic: Oh! I see /.fonts/myfont.ttf etc.. is already there... I think I need to restart xwindow ...
[04:42] <bretze1> thanks...
[04:42] <niran> gilles: in a terminal, type "killall -9 esd"
[04:42] <thoreauputic> belo: umm, there's a bela and a belo here
[04:42] <scizzo> no
[04:42] <gilles> niran: it works now!
[04:42] <scizzo> GAH!
[04:42] <SiRrUs> :) yep
[04:42] <thoreauputic> belo: that was for the one with an "a"
[04:42] <gilles> niran: thanks!!
[04:43] <belo> thoreauputic: sorry
[04:43] <niran> gilles: you're welcome
[04:43] <niran> gilles: there's one issue though
[04:43] <scizzo> tell bretzel that all he needs to do after moving the file to .fonts is to run fc-cache -v
[04:43] <gilles> niran: where did it come from ?
[04:43] <niran> you won't be able to play multiple sounds at once
[04:43] <gilles> niran: how do you know that ?
[04:43] <niran> esd is supposed to be there
[04:43] <scizzo> bretze1: fontconfig was created for the reason that you don't need to restart X
[04:43] <niran> now the programs are using the sound card directly
[04:43] <belo> thoreauputic: and is there something for me?
[04:43] <bretze1> scizzo:ah! good I will do it :-) :-) thanks!
[04:43] <gilles> niran: is this problem definitely fixed, or just for this session?
[04:43] <niran> try playing something in rhythmbox
[04:44] <scizzo> bretze1: 1. move font to ~/.fonts/    2. run fc-cache -v in a terminal then restart the application
[04:44] <critter> libpng Nothing happens at all.. Just a blinking curser >
[04:44] <niran> gilles: far from definitely fixed, i just knew killing esd would change something
[04:44] <bela> oh, i'm already on the track i think, but thanks anyway
[04:44] <bretze1> Beautyfull!
[04:45] <belo> where can i set the default color depth for Xserver? Xfree86
[04:48] <SidDithersL> just a quick question
[04:48] <SidDithersL> how do I create a script?
[04:49] <apokryphos> belo: x config, I guess, or reconfigure your x (dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86)
[04:49] <apokryphos> SidDithersL: google ;-)
[04:49] <SidDithersL> thats your answer to everything
[04:49] <SidDithersL> :(
[04:50] <gaz_> hi i am having some boot problems can anyone help?
[04:50] <apokryphos> SidDithersL: it is? When else have you heard me say that?
[04:50] <SidDithersL> ...
[04:50] <djp> anyone know how to get a ESS AudioDrive 1869 soundcard working under warty?
[04:50] <SidDithersL> never :/
[04:50] <apokryphos> well :P
[04:50] <SidDithersL> lol
[04:50] <SidDithersL> i cant find it on google though
[04:50] <scizzo> SidDithersL: ummm.....create a script?
[04:50] <SidDithersL> yeah
[04:50] <scizzo> SidDithersL: that is a big subject.....
[04:51] <SidDithersL> well I mean
[04:51] <SidDithersL> I have the info i need to make the script
[04:51] <SidDithersL> but when I make it it's being recognized as a text document
[04:51] <SidDithersL> instead of a shell script
[04:51] <scizzo> SidDithersL: well it still is a big subject....
[04:51] <bela> Well, to be very specific: the scanner i use is HP ScanJet 2300C. It did not work properly under any linux distribution so far, but i attributed it to the non-existent sane backend. To my great surprise, it works absolutely ok under Hoary live CD. i upgraded Warty to Hoary from an installation cd, and now I get the "device busy" message from XSane, so i think i've got to be only a step away from the solution...
[04:51] <djp> at boot i keep getting the message alsactl 10034 sound card not found or something to that effect
[04:51] <InitMass> could anyone send me their /etc/sudoers file?
[04:51] <scizzo> SidDithersL: creating a script is not only copy and paste and hope that it works
[04:51] <SysFail> anybody running gkrellm with the screencap plugin????
[04:51] <SidDithersL> it isnt?
[04:51] <SysFail> gkrellkam i think
[04:52] <gaz_> can anyone give me advice on how to speed up my boot it takes  min 45 sec to boot compared to 15 secs for win xp
[04:52] <SidDithersL> what is it? :/
[04:52] <gaz_> 1 min 45 secs*
[04:52] <scizzo> SidDithersL: http://linoleum.leapster.org/
[04:52] <apokryphos> SidDithersL: http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/unix/bash-tute.html
[04:52] <niran> gaz_: if you're using warty, booting in hoary is faster
[04:52] <bela> gaz: hoary is faster
[04:52] <SidDithersL> lemme try though
[04:52] <SidDithersL> *those
[04:52] <bela> ah, too late:)
[04:52] <djp> i have modprobed using the module snd-18xx and it got alsa loaded and the sound card appeared to be found. however on reboot it seems to remove the soundcard entry and the same message appears agin!
[04:53] <scizzo> SidDithersL: you need to learn how to do things before actually doing them
[04:55] <vixus> Where is wxpython in apt-get?
[04:55] <SidDithersL> ok
[04:55] <Thom_Holwerda> okay maybe anyoone here can explain to me why Evolution is randomly putting a whole lot of emails from my inbox into trash, after applying my filters-- they're all triple-checked and the filters are correct
[04:55] <vixus> It's supposed to be there but obviously isn't.
[04:55] <SidDithersL> so I read that document and did what it said
[04:55] <SidDithersL> and it returned me to the terminal window and did nothing :/
[04:55] <SidDithersL> and im still here with a text file
[04:56] <vixus> Anyone, at all?
[04:56] <InitMass> pw, hi
[04:56] <pw> ok
[04:56] <djp> sound cards mobrobing anyone?
[04:56] <WillCooke> Can anyone suggest why my digital camera memory card is trying to be mounted as an xfs filesystem instead of vfat?  At the moment I'm having to mount it manually
[04:56] <pw> So what are you trying to do, InitMass ?
[04:56] <djp> modprobing even!!!
[04:56] <InitMass> ok my sudoers file look like this:
[04:56] <InitMass> # User privilege specification
[04:56] <InitMass> root    ALL=(ALL) ALL
[04:56] <InitMass> # Added by Ubuntu installer
[04:56] <InitMass> victor  ALL=(ALL) ALL
[04:56] <InitMass> victor borgvall = NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/k3b
[04:56] <InitMass> victor borgvall = NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/firestarter
[04:56] <InitMass> My workstation is called borgvall and my username is victor. what i want to achieve is to be able to open k3b and firestarter without root password. something is wrong but i'm having a hard time to find what. can you help please?
[04:57] <SiRrUs> vixus are you using warty or hoary
[04:58] <InitMass> pw, ^^
[04:58] <SidDithersL> it just changed it to an executeable text file instead of a shell script
[04:58] <vixus> I think...
[04:58] <vixus> warty.
[04:58] <vixus> How do I check?
[04:58] <SiRrUs> yep your warty
[04:58] <pw> InitMass: I think you're most of the way there. I'm just refreshing my memory of the sudoers(5) man page.
[04:58] <vixus> ok.
[04:58] <vixus> Well, can I get it?
[04:58] <InitMass> pw, ok good. i'm very gratful for you help
[04:59] <SiRrUs> i am not sure about warty but wxpython2.5.3 is in hoary
[04:59] <InitMass> pw, greatfull or...
[04:59] <pw> grateful, even :-)
[04:59] <vixus> Well, can i add it to my repositories list
[04:59] <SiRrUs> have you updated your repositories
[05:00] <vixus> yes
[05:00] <SiRrUs> you may have to add more then
[05:01] <vixus> Shall I add the hoary reps?
[05:01] <pw> InitMass: So your current status is that you type "sudo k3b" and it asks you for your password, right?
[05:01] <SiRrUs> vixus make sure you have all that are indictaed at www.ubuntuguide.org
[05:01] <vixus> I do.
[05:02] <InitMass> pw, right now it seem like i can do most things without a password
[05:03] <pw> Is that what you want to do?
[05:03] <vixus> SiRrUs: Is it ok if I add the hoary repository.
[05:03] <SiRrUs> dont think that will help you
[05:04] <SidDithersL> ok i created the script, but when I type "ln -s /etc/init.d/wpa_supplicant /etc/rc0.d/K20wpa_supplicant" it tells me I dont have the permissions
[05:05] <SidDithersL> how can I get the permissions?
[05:05] <InitMass> pw, i only want to be able to open firestarter and k3b without a passwd
[05:06] <InitMass> pw, other apps that needs root previlegies should ask for passwd
[05:06] <knapjack> Anyone know of a good audio CD duplicator?
[05:06] <SidDithersL> anybody at all?
[05:06] <pw> InitMass: OK, good.
[05:07] <knapjack> SidDithersL: And you're root, or you're using sudo?
[05:07] <BleSS> somebody with laptop and apm?
[05:07] <SidDithersL> neither
[05:07] <SidDithersL> according to the install wiki i shouldnt
[05:07] <InitMass> knapjack, grip
[05:07] <knapjack> SidDithersL: Ah,  only root has permissions to write to that location.
[05:08] <knapjack> InitMass: Thanks!
[05:08] <blueturtle> xmms probably duplicates cds too? i'm not sure though
[05:08] <SidDithersL> ill try it, I hope it doesnt lock everything to root though.
[05:08] <pw> InitMass: Does sudo on its own parse that /etc/sudoers properly?
[05:08] <SidDithersL> there was another user in here that I sent a link to the install wiki to, and he noticed there was something wrong with it
[05:09] <mark_> hi people.  is there anything wrong with achive.ubuntu.com? I can't download packages with apt-get, but guess it could be my connection..
[05:09] <SidDithersL> i wonder if this is also wrong
[05:09] <draxula> hi everyone
[05:09] <draxula> anybody had any issues using the citrix client?
[05:09] <blueturtle> it appears to be up mark_
[05:10] <InitMass> pw, visudo doesn't complain anyway. but how do i check that sudo really read /etc/sudoers? is that what you were after?
[05:10] <blueturtle> can you browse the internet normally?
[05:10] <ryan450> hey gang, anybody that uses the CVS version of cedega mind explaining what the local config file at the end of the setup would do for me? advantages/disadvantages?
[05:11] <Panda> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=93033#post93033
[05:11] <Panda> my plea for help..
[05:11] <pw> InitMass: it reads it every time.
[05:12] <pw> Does that hostname resolve properly?
[05:12] <InitMass> pw, when i do "sudo visudo" it doesn't ask for a password and when i do :qw in visudo nothing seems to happen
[05:12] <PotajiTo> wenas
[05:12] <js_> what do i need to add to my sources in order to get to apt-get install unrar and unzip ?
[05:13] <pw> InitMass: kill off your timeout with sudo -k and try again
[05:13] <ryan450> hey gang, anybody that uses the CVS version of cedega mind explaining what the local config file at the end of the setup would do for me? advantages/disadvantages?
[05:14] <InitMass> pw, yes now after that -k it asks for passwd when i visudo...that's a step in the right direction
[05:14] <ryan450> anybody know how to mount the windows partition under ubuntu?
[05:15] <reon> ryan450, fat32 or ntfs ?
[05:15] <Bubbling_Zombie> mm, is there an mp3 player that support .cue files?
[05:15] <blueturtle> i was able to mount an ntfs windows drive fine
[05:15] <TQuid> Hi folks.  Not ubuntu-related directly, just interested in the smarts here--anyone know a good web BB that actually posseses decent security?  Friend got burned badly by the latest phpBB 'sploit and is looking for alternatives.
[05:15] <mark_> blueturtle, ah, it seems fine downloading some packages, but not others.  weird..
[05:16] <membreya> I'm bak!
[05:16] <TQuid> Yay!
[05:16] <membreya> ubuntu is online
[05:16] <js_> ah, i need to add multiverse-sources=
[05:16] <js_> ?
[05:17] <reon> ryan450,  http://ubuntuguide.org/#windows  to mount win volumes
[05:17] <SiRrUs> membreya what took you sooooooo long ;)
[05:17] <membreya> ok, so I made a backup of my /etc and /home ...do I just dump them back? ie cp -a ?
[05:17] <membreya> SiRrUs, ...expert install this time
[05:17] <membreya> less crap loading
[05:18] <SidDithersL> guys, how can I execute this command?: iface wlan0 inet manual
[05:18] <SiRrUs> boot up any quicker?
[05:18] <SidDithersL> i type iface in the terminal and it says command not found
[05:18] <membreya> SiRrUs, ..not really, I took the FS to reiser :P
[05:18] <membreya> so it has to do it's journalling
[05:18] <TQuid> Mmmm, live-resizable reiser . . . I like it.
[05:18] <membreya> but I got rid of all the unnecessary modules in the kernel
[05:18] <SiRrUs> nice
[05:19] <TQuid> I avoided it at work because there's no dump & restore for it.  Regretting it now I have to resize disks on occasion.
[05:19] <membreya> so should I just dump those directorys back now ?
[05:19] <membreya> TQuid, werent they working on the dump & restore?
[05:19] <SidDithersL> there was a guy here before, I think his name was dash
[05:19] <InitMass> pw, i changed borgvall to ALL instead and now the programs seem to work. except for firestarter that don't open up the GUI
[05:19] <SidDithersL> does that name ring a bell to anyone?
[05:20] <membreya> SidDithersL, yes
[05:20] <SidDithersL> ok good
[05:20] <SidDithersL> I hope he comes back I really need his help
[05:20] <membreya> damn you SiRrUs ..answer my question :P
[05:20] <LinuxJones> SidDithersL, help with what ?
[05:20] <membreya> SidDithersL, ..just message him, he's still on IRC
[05:20] <SiRrUs> membreya oops  i like the delete idea
[05:20] <SidDithersL> oh sweet
[05:20] <SidDithersL> WPA_supplicant
[05:21] <membreya> delete? as in just dump the old contents on top ?
[05:21] <Panda> is it better ot have one 1gb stick of ram, two 512mb sticks, four 256mb sticks, or does it not matter at all?
[05:21] <membreya> greatest tool of a stalker SidDithersL /whois
[05:21] <SidDithersL> O_o
[05:21] <membreya> :P
[05:21] <SiRrUs> yeah i belive so, worst thing you need to start over again.
[05:21] <InitMass> pw, i try to restart gnome. i it gives me some strange inf
[05:21] <membreya> meh, its all backed up
[05:21] <Panda> anyone know?
[05:22] <Panda> i'll say again..
[05:22] <Panda> is it better ot have one 1gb stick of ram, two 512mb sticks, four 256mb sticks, or does it not matter at all?
[05:22] <SiRrUs> and it appears there are a few of us that seem to keep on doing that ;)
[05:22] <membreya> I'm just glad I got my configs...took like 4 weeks to get the system how I wanted it
[05:22] <membreya> SiRrUs, with the trashing of my system, all that was missing was /bin and the kernels
[05:22] <LinuxJones> Panda, it only matters if you need more than 1 gig of ram which is unlikely
[05:22] <pw> InitMass: I'm out of clues; it looks right from here. Something else is wrong.
[05:22] <knapjack> Panda: Depends on the motherboard
[05:22] <Panda> how so knapjack?
[05:23] <Symbiote> can i increase the ext2 / partition without loosing data?
[05:23] <SidDithersL> the wpa guide on the ubuntu howto site seems to be very misinformative :/
[05:23] <SiRrUs> membreya your getting very good with all your practice
[05:23] <knapjack> Panda: Some motherboards can do this trick from the old days where they can interleave banks of memory for faster access.
[05:23] <Panda> so in short... it really dones't matter?
[05:23] <membreya> was a little worried when I first booted, could ping everything but not connect
[05:23] <membreya> but it's my network card
[05:23] <knapjack> Panda: I think some of the NVidia chipsets can do it.
[05:23] <membreya> when I change the setting, I have to reboot :|
[05:24] <SiRrUs> membreya glad it worked for you
[05:24] <knapjack> Panda: With most modern systems, you'd be hard-pressed to notice the improvement.
[05:24] <TQuid> *sigh*
[05:24] <membreya> can you blacklist a module that loads with the kernel, or can you only do it to seperately compiled modules?
[05:25] <TQuid> Why, oh why, did such an inherently insecure protocol end up being our age's main engine of online communication?
[05:25] <krischan> After upgrading to Hoary Preview, did anybody experience a Kernel panic on the next boot-up?
[05:25] <knapjack> TQuid: which one? phones?
[05:25] <TQuid> Heh!  No, http.  :)
[05:25] <knapjack> ;)
[05:25] <SiRrUs> krischan not here
[05:26] <Sionide> so i'll find out later krischan :P
[05:26] <membreya> TQuid, we placate ourselves with SSL, TLS and HTTPS :P
[05:26] <Sionide> fucking download hung at 78% earlier :/
[05:26] <ogra> TQuid: https :)
[05:26] <krischan> okay, Sionide, keep me posted! ;-)
[05:26] <TQuid> That helps with the info. transfer, but not much with the session security, since http is inherently unaware of sessions.  Well, http *scripts*, I should say.
[05:27] <Sionide> its at 16% right now.. going at 80kb/s
[05:27] <membreya> TQuid, maybe inet2 will fix it :)
[05:27] <membreya> Sionide, it should save your previous download state :|
[05:27] <TQuid> I'm bemoaning all these various php vulnerabilities that mostly have to do with crappy taint-checking.
[05:27] <Sionide> it musta crashed or something
[05:27] <krischan> Is anybody interested to see the Kernel (bootup) messages before the Kernel panic?
[05:27] <TQuid> In general I find php coding standards are not up to the quality I'd like to see.  Many a time have I seen documentation advising, with a straight face, to make a directory mode 777.  Arrrrgh!
[05:28] <membreya> TQuid, why's that a bad thing on a public server? :P
[05:28] <ogra> TQuid: 777 is not a http prob ;)
[05:28] <blueturtle> php is fine for club websites. anything more serious than that...
[05:28] <TQuid> ogra:  quite true.  I've finished bitching about http and am now onto bad php coding practice.  :)  I have a large repertoire of gripery.
[05:28] <blueturtle> it's so weakly typed :/
[05:29] <blueturtle> muddy, muddy thinking
[05:29] <TQuid> bluturtle:  So, is there anything worthwhile as a web bb out there?  I'm perfectly happy with not using php.
[05:29] <TQuid> (And sure, I know usenet is better.)
[05:29] <ogra> TQuid: my opinon is using php at all is a security hole ;)
[05:30] <TQuid> Plone is looking pretty nice these days, but the bb is the one thing it doesn't have.
[05:30] <blueturtle> TQuid: gosh, i don't know. i'm looking into using jsp or something, but i don't have the time to check it out properly
[05:30] <ogra> TQuid: write it, yu seem capable ;)
[05:30] <blueturtle> final exams around the corner, and i've got a pig of a final year project
[05:30] <TQuid> ogra:  I'm a sysadmin, not a coder.  *shrug*
[05:31] <TQuid> I'd love to learn, Java, mind you.  Small matter of time . . .
[05:31] <SidDithersL>  can someone here help me? how do I execute these commands?: iface wlan0 inet manual, pre-up ifconfig wlan0 up, up /root/wpa_dhcp, post-down ifconfig wlan0 down
[05:31] <ogra> TQuid: coder is the next step :)
[05:31] <SidDithersL> I tried typing in iface but it returns a command not found error
[05:31] <membreya> what are you testing us SidDithersL ?
[05:31] <TQuid> ogra:  you know sysadmins and engineers are natural enemies, right?  ;)  Damn engineers, messing up my beautiful servers . . .
[05:31] <SidDithersL> lol I seriously need help, the guide is very misinformative and dash is afk it seems :/
[05:32] <ogra> TQuid: nah, its teamwork ;)
[05:32] <TQuid> Sid, have you tried seeing if it's in /sbin/iface?
[05:32] <blueturtle> if there's one thing i've learned, it's don't reinvent the wheel
[05:32] <membreya> TQuid, why waste a beautiful piece of hardware with some stupid software?
[05:32] <membreya> let machine code rule supreme!
[05:32] <blueturtle> i've never writing something as common as a bb from the group up again
[05:32] <da_root> is there somebody using madwifi!
[05:32] <blueturtle> group up = ground up
[05:32] <TQuid> blueturtle, thus my shopping expedition takes me here.  :)
[05:33] <SidDithersL> tquid its not
[05:33] <SidDithersL> what do I do from here
[05:33] <blueturtle> :)
[05:33] <raveneye> any ideas on how to get an external usb HD's data back?
[05:33] <membreya> does cp allow for the coping of .* files?
[05:33] <TQuid> I'd try grepping for iface in your /etc/ directory, where it's getting executed from on boot-up.
[05:33] <membreya> oh
[05:33] <membreya> wait
[05:33] <membreya> .*
[05:33] <membreya> dhere Adam
[05:33] <SidDithersL> grepping? O_o
[05:33] <Sionide> woo lugradio <3 ubuntu
[05:34] <TQuid> sid:  "grep -r iface /etc/*" will show you every occurence of the word "iface" in your /etc directory files.
[05:34] <SidDithersL> oh I se
[05:34] <TQuid> Grep is your friend.
[05:34] <SidDithersL> ok i ran grep
[05:34] <TQuid> Any results?
[05:34] <SidDithersL> it found some things I dont understand, mind if I PM you?
[05:34] <SidDithersL> yeah
[05:34] <knapjack> Anyone know if GNOME 2.10 is going to make it into Hoary?
[05:34] <TQuid> PM away.  Do you speak shell at all?
[05:35] <SidDithersL> er, somewhat
[05:35] <ogra> knapjack: its in since a week
[05:35] <membreya> knapjack, it's already there
[05:35] <membreya> oi vay
[05:35] <knapjack> nice
[05:36] <membreya> cp: will not create hard link <--- what the
[05:36] <BleSS> somebody with laptop and apm? i need output's 'cat /proc/apm'
[05:36] <error_29> hey folks; when installing ubuntu in a dual-boot (with windows), should I set the "bootable flag" to on or off?  What does it do exactly?
[05:37] <ogra> error_29: it tells DOS that the partition is bootable....quite obsolete
[05:37] <raveneye> any ideas on how to get an external usb HD's data back? sorry tu bump, but need that data back
[05:38] <error_29> so "off" is fine then, ogra?
[05:38] <ogra> yup
[05:38] <error_29> thanks!
[05:39] <woodwizzle> does hoary use alsa or oss for sound?
[05:39] <TQuid> ogra, is that obsolete because of grub or something else?  I 'ad no idea.
[05:39] <ogra> woodwizzle: esd with alsa
[05:40] <ogra> TQuid: its only used by DOS
[05:40] <ogra> TQuid: so systems past win95 wont use it at all
[05:40] <membreya> cp: will not create hard link <--- what is that message for and how do I circumvent it ?
[05:40] <ogra> membreya: what do you copy ?
[05:41] <woodwizzle> Ah, well the official ubuntu SDL package that gets installed is SDL-OSS not SDL-ALSA
[05:41] <membreya> ogra, . files from my old home directory
[05:41] <ogra> woodwizzle: the alsa emulation is enabled by default, it gets used by SDL
[05:41] <membreya> I'm using cp -a *
[05:41] <joolz> anyone know how to add / edit menu entries in hoary?
[05:41] <knapjack> joolz: Yeah.
[05:42] <knapjack> joolz: Just a sec
[05:42] <joolz> vim /usr/share/applications doesn't look like the way to go :)
[05:42] <ogra> membreya: then its unlikely you have set any hardlinks in this dir....ignore it...
[05:42] <joolz> knapjack: ok
[05:42] <membreya> time for a reboot to see how it all goes :)
[05:44] <knapjack> joolz: Read the section on desktop files in http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/archive/index.php/t-26875.html
[05:45] <knapjack> joolz: Plus, you'll have to restart the panel (logout/login is easiest) for the new items to appear.
[05:46] <Solatis> what is the apt-get command for reinstallation /
[05:46] <Solatis> ?
[05:46] <joolz> knapjack: ok, thanks
[05:46] <TQuid> Solatis, I think it's just --reinstall
[05:46] <TQuid> Check the man page.
[05:46] <knapjack> Solatis: I think -f is force, so you *might* be able to apt-get -f installl
[05:46] <ogra> Solatis: sudo apt-get install --reinstall <package.deb>
[05:46] <Solatis> TQuid: the man page is kinda empty, and --help didn't tell it :P
[05:47] <Solatis> i'm trying out reinstall now :)
[05:47] <knapjack> nice job, ogra
[05:47] <ogra> Solatis: minus .deb, sorry
[05:47] <Solatis> myeah it works :)
[05:47] <TQuid> Very good then.
[05:48] <TQuid> They have creams for that.
[05:48] <knapjack> At this rate, I'll look like a sasquatch by 50.
[05:48] <Solatis> :P
[05:48] <Sionide> 32%
[05:48] <TQuid> Or if you don't mind some pain, there's waxing.  :)
[05:49] <kzm> Hi, all.
[05:49] <kzm> Anybody get acroread to work?
[05:49] <knapjack> What's weird is I used to be nearly bald.  Three hairs on my chest.  Now, I scratch my shoulder and I say WTF is THAT?!?
[05:49] <TQuid> There doesn't seem to be a lot of collective opinion here (no big surprise) on web bb's, anyone got a pointer where I might read up/ask?
[05:49] <neighborlee> hi..is anyone else seeing crashy behavior in file roller ?
[05:49] <kzm> knapjack: puberty? :-)
[05:49] <neighborlee> i've filed two reports already on it ;-)
[05:50] <TQuid> It's the ear hairs my wife finds really charming, knapjack.  Try growing some of those, it drives the ladies wild.
[05:50] <knapjack> kzm: Long ago.  I was still relatively sleek at 21.  Now I'm 35 and an extra in the new werewolf movie.
[05:50] <UdeS-ppc> lol
[05:51] <ogra> knapjack: it has nothing to do with the age (i'm 25 as well and have only lots of hair on my head)
[05:51] <ogra> oops 35
[05:51] <knapjack> TQuid: Got those, too.  I also get these mad scientist hairs in my eyebrow (kinda cool).  I'll wake up and find a 2" long, ghost white eyebrow hair.
[05:51] <kzm> Ahem...this is the ubuntu channel, right?
[05:51] <TQuid> No man.  This is #bodyhairsupport.  What's ubuntu?
[05:51] <blueturtle> nope, #werewolfanonymous
[05:51] <SiRrUs> kzm yeah believe it or not ;)
[05:51] <TQuid> LOL
[05:51] <ogra> kzm: no, thats the hairy one
[05:52] <PacoBCN> hi guys, do you know if Firestarter handles also UDP ports?
[05:52] <ogra> so lets stay on topic then :)
[05:52] <Sionide> topic??
[05:52] <Sionide> what the....?
[05:52] <knapjack> I'm asking for alopecia for Christmas.
[05:53] <djp> anyone know how to disable oss?
[05:54] <a2ps> how can i enable syntax highlightning in emacs on a fresh warty install?
[05:54] <TQuid> Time to get on with my day out here in beautiful Vancouver.  Thanks everyone.
[05:54] <kzm> Anyway, I found what I needed on the web pages (no, it doesn't concern my hair)
[05:56] <ogra> djp: you shouldnt do that, /dev/dsp is needed by many apps
[05:56] <ogra> djp: (and its only a emulation on top of alsa anyway)
[05:57] <Funraiser> hi , i have a question: let's say I have the source code of an app, can i make it run for sure on linux? is it all i need? for example let's say someone has the source code of Excell, could he make it run on linux just by compilling it or would he still need something else??
[05:57] <ogra> Funraiser: windows
[05:57] <Funraiser> why?
[05:57] <blueturtle> if you want an Excel like program to run on Windows, i suggest you check out OpenOffice
[05:57] <blueturtle> er
[05:58] <blueturtle> feck
[05:58] <ogra> Funraiser: because it uses the windows widgets etc
[05:58] <blueturtle> if you want an Excel like program to run on Linux, i suggest you check out OpenOffice
[05:58] <zerovertex> I need some help. I wanted to get gnome 2.10 so I changed my /etc/apt/sources.list to hoary instead of warty and did "apt-get upgrade gnome" after about 45 minutes on my g3 powerbook it finished and I rebooted. now all the icons are just sheets of paper. it's a minor problem but it is an annoying problem. what can I do?
[05:58] <Funraiser> that's not my question turtle
[05:58] <Funraiser> i have open office already thanks
[05:58] <Funraiser> are u sure ogra?
[05:59] <knapjack> zerovertex: Try apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:59] <ogra> Funraiser: there is no registry none of the windows widgets etc in linux.....you would have to rewrite a lot of the code to make it work...(actually so much that its cleverer to write a new app)
[05:59] <zerovertex> knapjack, I don't want to upgrade everything, just gnome.
[06:00] <zerovertex> knapjack, ah what the hell, okay, i'll do it
[06:00] <Funraiser> ogra thanks
[06:00] <error_29> ok, I'm right in the middle of ubuntu warty install on my other laptop.  Hoping I didn't mess up with partitions etc.
[06:01] <error_29> My question is:
[06:01] <error_29> this install is on an Amd64, I'm using 32 bit warty
[06:01] <ogra> error_29: why ?
[06:01] <ogra> error_29: there is a amd64 warty
[06:02] <error_29> well, ogra, that's my question--
[06:02] <dragonbyte> ok...i am on debian sid, took the ubuntu xorg packages
[06:02] <dragonbyte> now xserver-xorg is bitching about libgcc1
[06:02] <error_29> fact is, i don't want warty, I want to upgrade immediately to hoary, I'm doing it this way
[06:02] <ogra> error_29: you can install the 32  bitversion, but the amd64 one fully uses the capabilitys of your processor
[06:02] <error_29> because I know the disk works!
[06:03] <dragonbyte> where can I get libgcc1 from ubuntu?
[06:03] <error_29> can I upgrade the kernel and everything to 64, from what i've got?
[06:03] <ogra> error_29: not to my knowledge.... (which means i dont know any sane way to do this)
[06:04] <error_29> yes, well, I didn't say I was sane, ogra!
[06:04] <ogra> error_29: why dont you install dirctly from the hoary preview cd ?
[06:04] <Ribs> When does Hoary go stable?
[06:04] <deFrysk> april 6
[06:04] <ogra> error_29: would bring us the advantyge of bug reports about the installer from your site
[06:04] <Ribs> thanks
[06:05] <error_29> I guess I will, ogra, this is basically a trial run to see if I can get a dual boot system working all right with these partitions
[06:05] <deFrysk> on my bday :)
[06:05] <ogra> ah, ok
[06:05] <dragonbyte> is ubuntu really ahead of sid as far as versions go?
[06:05] <error_29> ogra, I'd be happy to oblige, but bug reports from me would be wasteful of bandwidth, seeing that
[06:05] <deFrysk> dragonbyte, I think so yes
[06:06] <error_29> it's hard for me to tell the bugs from the system from the flies in my skull...
[06:06] <xxenon> Im getting this at gnome startup http://www.opengl.ch/snapshot1.png
[06:06] <zerovertex> so when i change my source.list to hoary and run apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade i'm technically running hoary then, right?
[06:06] <xxenon> and I cant get a properly configured keyboard
[06:06] <xxenon> I just install hoary preview
[06:06] <mdke> i have a strange problem. When i disactivate and activate a network device, something goes screwy and gnome gets weird on me. I can't logout, gnome-terminal crashes before I can open it, evolution takes 5 minutes to load, and I can't open any system-tools. Can anyone help?
[06:06] <ogra> zerovertex: yep
[06:07] <zerovertex> cool
[06:07] <dragonbyte> deFrysk: how difficult is it to upgrade to ubuntu from sid?
[06:07] <deFrysk> dragonbyte, fresh reinstall is my advise
[06:08] <dragonbyte> deFrysk: that different that chancging my sources wouldnt go well?
[06:08] <dragonbyte> changing even
[06:08] <djp> ogra: i'm trying to get my ess audiodrive 1869 sound card to work...
[06:08] <deFrysk> dragonbyte, might work but I do not really expect it
[06:08] <dragonbyte> deFrysk: well i already stole the xorg packages and they are working
[06:09] <dragonbyte> had to do some patchwork nonsense with some of the packages
[06:09] <dragonbyte> like the libgcc1 thing but hey, it may already be broke, so it cant really hurt :)
[06:09] <deFrysk> dragonbyte, well if you think it will work go for it
[06:09] <woodwizzle> ogra: Wouldn't it be better if SDL used asla directly instead of oss
[06:09] <Benjamin_L> is there a good gtk2 tutorial which features the new fileselector or is the one at gtk.org just fine ?
[06:10] <error_29> ugh, I forgot, ubuntu's  grub doesn't show the menu by default.  Rats.  I wanted to make sure windows would boot before finishing this install...
[06:10] <mdke> no one on my problem ^^?
[06:10] <woodwizzle> I installed wesnoth, wesnoth-data and wesnoth music, but when I play wesnoth I don't get any sound :( Thats why i'm fiddling with all this OSS/ALSA and SDL stuff
[06:11] <raveneye> hi, I have an usb HD that worked flawlessly, but now I get this error: Buffer I/O error on device sda, logical block 0 unable to read partition table
[06:11] <raveneye> any sugestions?
[06:12] <Sionide> 52% [/////-----] 
[06:13] <dragonbyte> deFrysk: I am convinced nothing will ever work
[06:13] <dragonbyte> deFrysk: godforsaken ATI IGP card
[06:13] <ryan450> any cube players in here? I'm getting seriously low FPS
[06:14] <Sionide> game cube?
[06:15] <ryan450> yea, the FPS game cube? I'm getting horrible Frames Per Second on it :S
[06:15] <woodwizzle> ryan450, do you have your 3d drivers properly installed?
[06:16] <dead|shell> raveneye, check yoyr fstab
[06:16] <dead|shell> your* /etc/fstab
[06:16] <error_29> damn!  Anybody know why I can't connect to archive.ubuntu.com:80?
[06:16] <error_29> or security.ubuntu.com?
[06:16] <mdke> i have a strange problem. When i disactivate and activate a network device, something goes screwy and gnome gets weird on me. I can't logout, gnome-terminal crashes before I can open it, evolution takes 5 minutes to load, and I can't open any system-tools. Can anyone help?
[06:17] <raveneye> dead|shell, not there..
[06:17] <dan2_> does hoary have 2.6.10 or 11?
[06:17] <error_29> my installation is just giving me errors for the security updates...
[06:17] <efendi> error_29, "dig archive.ubuntu.com" ?
[06:18] <error_29> sorry, efendi?
[06:18] <dead|shell> raveneye, odd eh?
[06:18] <deFrysk> 2.6.10-4-386
[06:18] <efendi>  ur dns resolve archive.ubuntu.com ?
[06:18] <zerovertex> i like gnome 2.10... or atleast the default theme,,, it's more compact, uses less screen space, i'm on an old laptop and can't do over 1024x768 so that's important
[06:18] <raveneye> well, its usb, it automagically mounts when plugged
[06:19] <error_29> how do I abort this? I'm just getting "Err... could not connect" for every file (my internet connection should be fine)
[06:19] <error_29> maybe it's my router messing up
[06:20] <error_29> anyone, emergency abort command?  I don't want to just hit the power switch-- ahh
[06:20] <dead|shell> raveneye, did you try mounting in terminal?
[06:20] <error_29> heh heh, ^ Alt Del
[06:20] <error_29> doh!
[06:20] <raveneye> yeah. nothing
[06:20] <efendi> ctrl + c ?
[06:20] <dead|shell> raveneye, same eroor?
[06:21] <dead|shell> error*
[06:21] <zerovertex> brb.. rebooting
[06:21] <mdke> i will file my problem as a bug unless anyone has any better ideas... pleeease?
[06:21] <raveneye> dead|shell, yes
[06:22] <dead|shell> raveneye, im on mepis but i know it switches from sda1 to sdb1 from mount to mount but automagic show be working
[06:23] <raveneye> works with a flash card, dead|shell. its the disk
[06:23] <dead|shell> should* forever with the typos
[06:23] <BleSS> somebody with laptop and apm? i need output's 'cat /proc/apm'
[06:24] <dead|shell> raveneye, that stinks
[06:24] <drspin> could anyone tell me why a blank disc gets automounted when I put it in my SCSI burner?
[06:24] <Sionide> huzzah 60% [//////----] 
[06:24] <djst> does anyone know how to list and add/remove services in ubuntu? in gentoo, you use rc-update -l to list, rc-update add to add and rc-update del to remove
[06:24] <raveneye> dead|shell, i know. and need that data back
[06:24] <farruinn> drspin: are you sure it's blank?
[06:25] <drspin> farruinn: brand new pack of blank CD's and another brand of blank cd's have the same results
[06:25] <thenuke> hmm, can I have konqueror for ubuntu?
[06:25] <drspin> farruinn: the CD icon shows up on my GNOME Desktop... and CD/DVD creator keeps asking me to insert a blank CD
[06:25] <thenuke> oh seems like I can..
[06:26] <drspin> farruinn: they are definately blank...
[06:27] <Absenth> Happy sunday all.
[06:27] <mdke> hi
[06:27] <Absenth> Is anyone here a Transgaming user?
[06:27] <drspin> if blank cd's wouldn't automount it would be happier ;)
[06:28] <thoreauputic> drspin: same happens here - the assumption seems to  be you want to use nautilus
[06:28] <thoreauputic> drspin: which I don't, when I want to burn a CD
[06:28] <mdke> is it a problem that it automounts?
[06:29] <farruinn> drspin: try going to cd creator first?
[06:29] <drspin> thoreauputic: correct... but I can't seem to find a way to just unmount the volume...
[06:29] <thoreauputic> well, it doesn't mount, since there's no file system...
[06:29] <drspin> farruinn: I always create the CD before the CD gets inserted
[06:29] <drspin> thoreauputic: correct -- but it still mounts...
[06:29] <mdke> doesn't it burn ok?
[06:29] <psi> thoreauputic: in drivers and media preferences, you can set what happens when a blank media is inserted
[06:29] <psi> drives*
[06:30] <drspin> Removeable drives and media ;)
[06:30] <thoreauputic> psi: removable media?
[06:30] <psi> it's actually removable storage here :)
[06:30] <farruinn> psi: he's in hoary
[06:31] <drspin> si- Hoary ;)
[06:31] <thoreauputic> aha - yes uncheck the "perform action on blank CD" box..
[06:31] <error_29> Does anybody know what's up with the archive.ubuntu.com site that warty wants to get updates from?
[06:31] <error_29> I'm getting a "no route to host" error
[06:32] <drspin> thoreauputic: I did - and I still get the SAME behavior
[06:32] <Absenth> Does anyone have a link to a good USB joystick howto?
[06:32] <mdke> error_29, i can ping it
[06:32] <thoreauputic> drspin: hmmm.... I just unchecked it, but i haven't tested it yet...
[06:34] <drspin> I'm rather annoyed... shoulda stayed with Warty... sound worked... burning worked...
[06:34] <diego> hola
[06:34] <mdke> drspin, burning does not work because of that problem?
[06:34] <error_29> rats.  Looks like I'm gonna start out with a largely broken install; hope it's not so broken that I can't update from gnome...
[06:35] <mdke> error_29, can you resolve any names or is it just archive.ubuntu.com?
[06:35] <diego> i am just starting to use ubuntu.... and i'd like to know where can i get a software to play mp3?
[06:35] <error_29> also, "security.ubuntu.com"
[06:35] <mdke> error_29, everything else fine?
[06:35] <Absenth> diego xmms is in synaptic
[06:35] <error_29> "temporary failure resolving"
[06:36] <drspin> mdke: burning will not work because it appears that nautilus is mounting the CD... and when I burn the CD from nautilus it keeps asking for a blank CD -- I've tried two different brands both definately blank cd's
[06:36] <mdke> hmm
[06:36] <error_29> don't know mdke, "total progress" is stalled at 19%
[06:36] <mdke> weird
[06:36] <mdke> error_29, oh you are not connected from that box now?
[06:36] <Absenth> diego under multimedia
[06:37] <thoreauputic> drspin: have you tried graveman or gnomebaker?
[06:37] <error_29> No, mdke, I'm on another laptop.
[06:37] <dragonbyte> ok...so...how different is ubuntu from sid?
[06:37] <drspin> thoreauputic: I'm trying k3b now...
[06:37] <mdke> error_29, looks like your connection has gone down then
[06:37] <diego> ... how do i get to synaptic..
[06:37] <mdke> error_29, better to install without updating from the internet, then update later when you have everything installed and the network working
[06:37] <diego> this is also my first experience in linux---
[06:37] <Absenth> click on system, administration.
[06:37] <dragonbyte> does ubuntu generally have more packages than plain debian?
[06:38] <Absenth> it's near the bottom.
[06:38] <mdke> dragonbyte, no
[06:38] <dragonbyte> mdke: same base then?
[06:38] <farruinn> dragonbyte: no, but the number of packages for ubuntu is growing
[06:38] <error_29> Yeah, mdke, you're probably right.  Thanks!
[06:38] <diego> thanks!!
[06:38] <dragonbyte> basically, i wont be limiting myself will I?
[06:38] <mdke> dragonbyte, not really no
[06:39] <mdke> dragonbyte, essentially most debian packages are repackaged for ubuntu and made available in extra repositories
[06:39] <farruinn> dragonbyte: if there is something in debian that you *must* have, I would suggest getting the source packages and doing it that way
[06:39] <Absenth> diego: to run xmms you can either type xmms & at the command line, or you can right click the toolbar, and create a custom launcher, with the command line xmms.
[06:39] <dan2_> ugh
[06:39] <dan2_> /usr/bin/make -f debian/rules INCLUDE_KERNEL_MAKEFILE=yes conf_vars
[06:39] <dan2_> make[1] : Entering directory `/usr/local/src/linux-source-2.6.8.1-2.6.8.1'
[06:39] <dan2_> make[1] : *** No rule to make target `conf_vars'.  Stop.
[06:39] <dragonbyte> so...make some changes in source.lists apt-get update & dist-upgrade should do a sid->ubuntu right?
[06:39] <dan2_> why is kernel-package broke
[06:39] <Absenth> diego: the & at the end makes it so you can close the terminal window, otherwise when you close the terminal, it closes the application.
[06:40] <mdke> dragonbyte, there are probably some guides on sid -> hoary
[06:40] <zyv> hi everyone !!!
[06:40] <error_29> wow, one worthwhile thing about this hangup I'm having, I never realized all these package descriptions were here, even grouped by tasks...
[06:40] <dragonbyte> hoary just sounds wrong, any reasoning behind the name?
[06:40] <farruinn> dragonbyte: different type of hoary...
[06:40] <diego> ok.. thanks!!!
[06:40] <Slackman> dragonbyte, hoary hedgehog is the full name
[06:41] <woodwizzle> Does Hoary use udev???
[06:41] <wezzer> is hoary coming soon?
[06:41] <dragonbyte> hoary hedgehog...any specific source for that name or just like hedgehogs? :)
[06:41] <farruinn> wezzer: hoary final will be out in april
[06:42] <wezzer> ok, thanks
[06:42] <zyv> i'm using IceWM with my warty ubuntu and i've a problem, using debian with icewm, the icewm menu can access to the Debian Menu, but here with ubuntu using icemw i cant access to the debian menu or the ubuntu menu, what happen ????
[06:42] <wezzer> can't wait :)
[06:42] <blueturtle> what are the main upgrades from warty?
[06:42] <wezzer> xorg
[06:42] <Absenth> xorg
[06:42] <farruinn> zyv: I think you want the menu package, if not that menu-xdg
[06:42] <blueturtle> xorg=?
[06:42] <zyv> menu package farruinn ?
[06:42] <zyv> explain it please fa
[06:42] <zyv> explain it please farruinn
[06:42] <dragonbyte> hrm supposedly sid->hoary goes well
[06:43] <Absenth> X Free 86 version 4 was replaced by the XORG project.
[06:43] <farruinn> zyv: sudo apt-get install menu-xdg
[06:43] <Sionide> 70% woowoo, it's coming [///////---] 
[06:43] <zyv> only that farruinn ?
[06:43] <dragonbyte> here goes the pain...oh yeah...apt-get update
[06:44] <pussfeller> is there something like isobuster for linux
[06:44] <dragonbyte> hope to god this works...and maybe even cleans up my X stuff
[06:44] <farruinn> zyv: I'm pretty sure that gives you the debian menu, if not 'sudo apt-get install menu' as wel
[06:44] <pussfeller> I know I can run isobuster thru wine
[06:44] <VladDrac> what's isobuster?
[06:44] <hackedmonkey> ok, i need some help, just moved from fedora, used it since core1, how do i search apt-get, i need samba-swat, vncserver, and someother stuff for my lan server
[06:44] <hackedmonkey> any help please
[06:44] <VladDrac> apt-cache search
[06:45] <zyv> ok farruinn and icewm will access menu-xdg automatically ?
[06:45] <pussfeller> for extracting info from scratched cds for one thing
[06:45] <drspin> k3b reports: Error tryign to open /dev/sg0 device or resource busy
[06:45] <zyv> i don't need con set-up nothing more farruinn ?
[06:45] <farruinn> zyv: I don't know specifically but my guess would be y es
[06:45] <Absenth> hackedmonkey, you CAN use synaptic to view a lot of what's avalible in apt.
[06:45] <farruinn> hackedmonkey: ubuntu comes with a vncserver, vino
[06:45] <zyv> ok farruinn thanx for all !
[06:45] <dragonbyte> huzzah ubuntu bound!
[06:46] <farruinn> zyv: heh, thank me when it works ;)
[06:46] <dragonbyte> I like hedgehogs :P
[06:46] <hackedmonkey> im getting gtk errors galore, i think ineed nvidia drivers and stuff
[06:46] <Sionide> bring on the hoary, 25% to go.
[06:46] <dragonbyte> hoary is on gnome 2.10 right?
[06:46] <EfaistOs> i upgraded to hoary but now everything is in english .... and i had all my applications in french before ...
[06:46] <Entity> Is there a marillat repo for PPC ?
[06:46] <farruinn> hackedmonkey: why would nvidia drivers fix gtk issues?
[06:46] <EfaistOs> how to change it ...
[06:46] <wasabi> blueturtle, have you set any environmental variables for JAVA_HOME?
[06:46] <farruinn> Entity: no unfortunately
[06:46] <hackedmonkey> well i was just gonna start over with the whole display "area" this is a fresh install
[06:47] <Entity> farruinn, ok any other repo that provides libdvdcss ppc binary?
[06:47] <Apreche> hi, I just setup ubuntu on my parents PC, but the sound card isn't working
[06:47] <farruinn> Entity: no idea, I've never owned a dvd drive :/
[06:47] <farruinn> hackedmonkey: can you give a specific example of an error you're getting?
[06:47] <error_29> Help anyone -- just installed ubuntu on another machine, boots ok, but it's leaving me at a command prompt when I log in, no gui
[06:48] <mdke> i have a strange problem. When i disactivate and activate a network device, something goes screwy and gnome gets weird on me. I can't logout, gnome-terminal crashes before I can open it, evolution takes 5 minutes to load, and I can't open any system-tools. Can anyone help?
[06:48] <error_29> typing "startx" gives me "command not found".  What do I do?
[06:48] <hackedmonkey> warning, cant open display
[06:48] <hackedmonkey> gtk warning
[06:48] <farruinn> error_29: sounds like you don't have an xserver, sudo apt-get isntall ubuntu-desktop
[06:48] <Absenth> quick question.  With the "nvidia" drivers, when I reboot, or shut down, all the text once it drops to CLI is like matrix code.  When I was running FC3 there was a change I made to the grub.conf file that fixed that.  anything like that for Hoary?
[06:48] <zerovertex> hey guys. I just did an apt-get dist upgrade from warty to hoary and my icons pictures arte broken. they still work, but the picture is just a sheet of paper. I assume the png files for the icons have moved, but how can I fix this? It's just the icons on the desktop and the file icons in nautilus
[06:48] <farruinn> hackedmonkey: ah, what are you trying to start?
[06:48] <hackedmonkey> synaptiv
[06:48] <zyv> it works farruinn thnx'n'bye !!
[06:49] <error_29> thanks, farruinn.
[06:49] <drspin> Absenth: if you figure that out please let me know
[06:49] <Apreche> might be a hardware issue, I'll be back if it isn't
[06:49] <farruinn> hackedmonkey: you're starting it as "gksudo synaptic"?
[06:49] <Absenth> drspin, I'll be sure to keep you in the loop.
[06:49] <dan2_> umm
[06:49] <dan2_> is kernel-package broken for anyone else
[06:49] <hackedmonkey> well su - ed
[06:49] <hackedmonkey> and i enabled gnome for root
[06:50] <farruinn> hackedmonkey: ok, try gksu then
[06:50] <farruinn> hackedmonkey: but whatever you do, don't run gui apps with sudo/su, use gksudo/gksu
[06:50] <hackedmonkey> same warning
[06:50] <farruinn> hackedmonkey: is this hoary preview by any chance?
[06:50] <Entity> farruinn, is there a Ubuntu PPC specific channel?
[06:50] <hackedmonkey> no
[06:51] <farruinn> Entity: nope :/
[06:51] <hackedmonkey> i think its back to gentoo/fedora for me this is completely lame, i know its just changes, but the old stuff did me fine
[06:51] <sbassi> hello, will be an upgrade path from 4.10 to 5.4? I mean, using the new CD, will it detect previous version and make the update?
[06:51] <Absenth> no grub.conf in ubuntu.....  interesting....  or at least not in /boot/grub
[06:51] <HiddenWolf> hackedmonkey: what is wrong?
[06:51] <drspin> Absenth: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:52] <farruinn> hackedmonkey: run apt-get upgrade from the command line (as root)
[06:52] <hackedmonkey> just a huge pain in the ass, the whole root thing, i read the FAQ, but gimme a break, this is of no importance to the traditional linux user, it only throws a wrench into normal operation
[06:52] <hackedmonkey> ok, ill run that
[06:52] <error_29> sheesh.  Now it looks like the entry in the sources list, which wants to access my cd-rom, has the wrong label for the disk.
[06:53] <farruinn> hackedmonkey: the sudo approach is best for a desktop distro, one that attempts to be easy for new linux users
[06:53] <msh__> hi
[06:53] <hackedmonkey> well, why not just teach them the other method from the start, not this new one off stuff, its really not much harder to understand concept of ownership and privs
[06:54] <error_29> hey thoreauputic .
[06:54] <Absenth> hackedmonkey, Being a long time redhat user I agree with you,  su - is a lot easier.  However as an OSX user, I can also see the benifits of the sudo method.
[06:54] <thoreauputic_> back
[06:55] <Absenth> hackedmonkey, like everything else in linux. just another religious war to be waged.
[06:55] <hackedmonkey> yeah, i guess
[06:55] <hackedmonkey> uniting is all that will bring linux up as a whole unfortunately
[06:56] <ryan450> ok, I got the source code for the latest version of atlantik 0.7.2. I just finished installing KDE 3.2, and it still claims that it cant find the KDE headers when I try to ./configure the atlantik source code... ideas anyone? perhaps its because my KDE is outdated?
[06:57] <msh__> hi
[06:57] <farruinn> ryan450: are you sure atlantik isn't in the repositories?
[06:57] <msh__> how can i change the framebuffer esolution in my console?
[06:57] <Absenth> to be honest, I guess I don't care if linux is brought up as a whole or not.  Sure it'll be neat to see it go mainstream, and have tons of new professional apps written for it.  at the same time I see unification as a way to stifle development.  apt-get is WAY better then RPM.  but both kinda suck compaired to bsd ports if you ask me. :)
[06:57] <Riddell> ryan450: kdelibs4-dev
[06:58] <ryan450> its in there, but the atlantik client in the repsitories are outdated, the atlantik meta-server that client points to is now down, hence why I'm after the new client which has the updated fix for the new meta server
[06:58] <msh__> how can i change the framebuffer resolution in my console?
[06:58] <hackedmonkey> yeah, i appreciate the info in here, but i think im back to fedora for now, laters guys
[06:58] <farruinn> ryan450: ah, my suggestion for you would be to backport it from hoary
[06:58] <farruinn> ryan450: add a deb-src line in your sources.list for hoary
[06:59] <farruinn> ryan450: then apt-get build-dep atlantik ; apt-get source -b atlantik
[06:59] <error_29> in this eternal newbie's opinion, rather than unification, what's needed is smoother communication, protocols to smooth out transitions from one flavor to another,
[06:59] <Apreche> ok, it was a bad PCI slot, very weird
[07:00] <SidDithersL> can someone here help me setup wpa_supplicant? I have it installed but i cant connect to my network :(
[07:00] <Absenth> error_29, Better Communication, Better Standard Protocols, and in all reality, if everyone would get on board with the LSB we'd be in good shape.
[07:00] <ryan450> farruinn: hang on, gunna try the kdelibs4-dev package..
[07:00] <error_29> some kind of quasi-universal "interlanguage" for all linux flavors
[07:01] <Ex-Cyber> Apreche: sometimes it's not a bad slot as such, but that the slot shares a PCI interrupt line with some other device on the board, which is supposed to work in principle but can cause all manner of strange problems...
[07:01] <Absenth> error_29, that's my biggest pet peev on linux, the fact shit goes everywhere when you isntall it (software, the core os)  stuff that should be in /usr/bin ends up in /usr/share/local/bin  or /bin for whatever stupid ass reason.
[07:01] <blueturtle> lo niall :)
[07:01] <blueturtle> small world eh
[07:01] <dredg> hi :)
[07:01] <dredg> yeah, just saw you in -devel
[07:02] <blueturtle> hehe
[07:02] <Absenth> debian, and the offshoots are doing a good job staying in line with the LSB from what I've seen so far.  now if those redhat based distros would follow suit...
[07:02] <blueturtle> how goes it?
[07:02] <dredg> blueturtle: not bad.. just finished the week of hell and am currently trying to regain a sleeping pattern
[07:02] <ryan450> Riddell: thnx man, kdelibs4-dev did the trick
[07:02] <dredg> you
[07:02] <dredg> ?
[07:02] <blueturtle> similar, similar
[07:03] <blueturtle> trying to get WebCalendar up and running so the helpdesk doesn't have to use my piece of crap
[07:03] <error_29> I know what you mean, Absenth.
[07:03] <blueturtle> my final year project is a real non event unfortunately
[07:03] <dredg> ah :-/
[07:03] <blueturtle> once i get that crap out of the way i can finish the final exams and flee
[07:04] <blueturtle> erra, i've learned a lot. mainly that i have _zero_ foresight when i comes to software projects :)
[07:04] <error_29> I don't even know where the hell the wallpaper is stored!  and I resent having to dig for that info.
[07:04] <Absenth> error_29, maybe it's because of the single point of development that make the BSD based distro's seem so much easier.
[07:04] <zerovertex> hey guys, if you posted a response to me earlier, please repost, i got disconnected
[07:04] <blueturtle> half way through i want to change everything..
[07:04] <dredg> blueturtle: truly, you have learned a valuable lesson...
[07:04] <farruinn> error_29: /usr/share/backgrounds/ =)
[07:04] <Absenth> error_29, on a redhat based system wallpaper is probibly in about 4 or 5 diffrent places.  I know on FC2 there were three diffrent locations at least.
[07:05] <error_29> thanks, farruinn.  ;--}
[07:05] <Absenth> don't get me wrong, I actually like redhat.... sorta....
[07:05] <_the_1_> hello fellow ubuntu geeks!
[07:05] <SidDithersL> anybody at all?
[07:05] <Absenth> _the_1_, I'm more of a geek in training.
[07:06] <_the_1_> Absenth: me too ;)
[07:06] <Absenth> SidDithersL, sorry man, haven't played with wireless at all yet. outside  of osx
[07:06] <SidDithersL> :/
[07:06] <error_29> well, I'm gonna make the not entirely implausible assumption that my router is screwing my other laptop, so off line I go to fix things.  adios
[07:07] <Sionide> 8 mins remain
[07:07] <Sionide> plus 5 for the burn
[07:07] <Sionide> and how long does it take to upgrade?
[07:07] <Sionide> roughly...
[07:07] <motuline> hi
[07:09] <LinuxJones> Sionide, your installing warty or hoary ?
[07:09] <Sionide> upgrading from warty to hoary
[07:09] <LinuxJones> Sionide, how fast are you downloading ?
[07:09] <Sionide> 71kb/s
[07:10] <Sionide> the torrent was coming in at like 2kb/s so i gave up on it...
[07:10] <LinuxJones> Sionide, omg,  I think your looking at probably 500 meg upgrades at least.
[07:11] <Sionide> yeah the iso is 500mb
[07:11] <_the_1_> one quick question: since my laptop has such a badly supported graohics card uner linux, any distro gives me unusable refresh rates, flickering, or some other strange things, HOWEVER...ubuntu installed, my graohics card is running fine (ubuntu-just works), but a minor anoyance is that I have my screen colors set to 16bit and it shows pretty badly on the desktop's gradient wallpaper, so I was wondering if there is any graphical tool to change sc
[07:11] <_the_1_> reen colors like there is for changing the resolution (every time I did it manually by editing the xorg.conf something broke)
[07:11] <LinuxJones> Sionide, I would do a custom install then upgrade then install ubuntu-desktop
[07:11] <Sionide> ok what would happen if i just stuck the cd in? :P
[07:11] <Hunt02> hello
[07:12] <LinuxJones> Sionide, are you fairly new to Linux ?
[07:12] <Hunt02> when will Ubuntu be released with Gome 2.10 ?
[07:12] <Sionide> ...how did you guess?! :P
[07:12] <Entity> Can we install ATI's fglrx driver on Ubuntu PPC?
[07:12] <Sionide> i'm kinda new
[07:12] <Sionide> and kind of not
[07:12] <_the_1_> hunt: it;s already been released
[07:12] <tritium> Hunt02, hoary has it now
[07:12] <LinuxJones> Sionide, warty is fine for everyday use
[07:12] <Sionide> i have another box running slackware and kde, which i dont really like
[07:12] <Sionide> then i got ubuntu, stuck it on my laptop and it's cool
[07:13] <Jesterace> hoary preview is the same as the dist-upgrade when I change the repositories from warty to hoary right?
[07:13] <Tomcat_> Hunt02: In April
[07:13] <_the_1_> can anyone give me some good advice regarding my above stated problem?
[07:13] <Hunt02> tritium, is hoary available as a live-cd  ?
[07:13] <LinuxJones> Sionide, the packages are a few months old but that's no big deal you can upgrade anytime. Plus Hoary should be frozen in a few weeks, I would wait till then to upgrade.
[07:13] <tritium> Hunt02, yes, the preview release is ;)
[07:13] <HiddenWolf> hunt02: yes
[07:13] <Jesterace> hoary runs nicely for me
[07:13] <SidDithersL> anybody else use wpa_supplicant here?
[07:13] <tritium> Hunt02, see the topic for the URL
[07:14] <Sionide> yeah i had a bunch of updates when i installed warty too but i just left it going
[07:14] <_the_1_> SidDithersL: I do
[07:14] <zerovertex> Jesterace, glad it's working for you... my icons are still broken... :-(
[07:14] <SidDithersL> the_1 mind if I PM?
[07:14] <_the_1_> go ahead
[07:15] <Hunt02> ubuntu is redhat based, isn't it ?
[07:15] <Jesterace> my icons are good
[07:15] <Jesterace> Hunt02, nope it's debian based
[07:15] <Sionide> Hunt02, err debian i thought
[07:15] <sulex> Hunt02, nope...debian
[07:15] <Hunt02> a, so apt-get doesn't work ?
[07:15] <Jesterace> apt-get works fine
[07:16] <Sionide> it does...?
[07:16] <tritium> Hunt02, apt-get is from debian
[07:16] <Jesterace> sudo apt-get install blahblah
[07:16] <Hunt02> a, sorry, i'm confused with slackware
[07:16] <Jesterace> http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[07:16] <tritium> Hunt02, if redhat is using apt-get, they adopted it from debian
[07:17] <Sionide> ok LinuxJones, what if i wanted to dual boot with 2k on this machine?? (which currently only has 2k on it)
[07:18] <HiddenWolf> tritium: fedora has both rpm and apt-get support
[07:18] <ogra> tritium: but i bet they didnt port: apt-get moo ;)
[07:18] <Sionide> is it relatively straight forward?
[07:18] <tritium> ogra, :)
[07:18] <HiddenWolf> ogra: heh, that's funny, didn't know that one
[07:18] <ogra> its the easter egg ;)
[07:18] <LinuxJones> Sionide, best to defrag your windows partition and create some free space for Ubuntu about 10 gigs should be fine.  The installer should add dual boot functionality for you.
[07:19] <HiddenWolf> Sionide: it's fairly simple, yeah
[07:19] <dredg> from a redhat box:
[07:19] <dredg>          (__)
[07:19] <dredg>          (oo)
[07:19] <dredg>    /------\/
[07:19] <dredg>   / |    ||
[07:19] <dredg>  *  /\---/\
[07:19] <dredg>     ~~   ~~
[07:19] <dredg> ...."Have you mooed today?"...
[07:19] <ogra> woot
[07:19] <HiddenWolf> ogra: look at all that bloat! ;)
[07:19] <Sionide> err ok, what if i only have a 10gig drive?? (i have a 10gig for OS/programs and a 60gig for music/movies)
[07:19] <tritium> Sionide, you can fit it.
[07:20] <HiddenWolf> sionide: you need about 2-3gig for the distro itself, more if you plan to get some work done. ;)
[07:20] <LinuxJones> Sionide, can you spare 10 gigs from your 60 gig drive ?
[07:20] <Jesterace> heh apt-get moo works in ubuntu too :P
[07:20] <ogra> sure
[07:20] <Jesterace> i have ubuntu on a 160gb drive :P
[07:20] <Jesterace> and on a 60gb drive on my server machine
[07:20] <eruin> anyone got progress on bringing back pretty x11 cursors? :P
[07:20] <Sionide> LinuxJones, yeah - well i need some more cds to burn movies off i suppose hmm
[07:21] <gilles> How to do so that the fonts I have put into ~/.fonts are usable in Open Office or any other freeware ?
[07:21] <ogra> eruin: install gcursor, select the right cursor, log out and in again
[07:21] <Sionide> mmmm
[07:21] <blueturtle> Sionide: i run ubuntu on a 10gig drive, seems to work fine
[07:21] <eruin> ogra: how about default? :P
[07:21] <Sionide> so much to do, so little time
[07:21] <ogra> eruin: not yet ;)
[07:22] <robin_> that hwdb-client stuff, it is right it doesn't work ?
[07:22] <blueturtle> and i dual boot with xp
[07:22] <tritium> ogra, cool, you packaged that :)
[07:22] <blueturtle> for gaming purposes..
[07:22] <Sionide> blueturtle, yeah - i run 2k but with open office, firefox etc etc. i'm half way there
[07:22] <ogra> robin_: yup, its not done yet
[07:22] <ogra> tritium: yup
[07:22] <eruin> blueturtle: thought about cedega?
[07:22] <Sionide> just been mucking about with nix on my laptop
[07:22] <blueturtle> it's on the to-do list eruin :)
[07:22] <blueturtle> i have a feeling it'll be laggy though
[07:22] <robin_> ogra: I thought so, it was quite long busy to collecting the data :) well it never ended really
[07:22] <Sionide> and loving ubuntu.. so wanna make it my primary OS on this machine, with dualboot to windows just in case
[07:22] <Sionide> thats the plan anyways
[07:23] <blueturtle> yeah, i'm finding dualbooting is easing the transition to linux
[07:23] <zerovertex> people who dual boot are afraid of commitment... :-P
[07:23] <blueturtle> there's only so much patience i have for figuring out how to do thing in linux.
[07:23] <housetier> Sionide is that you from xnet/afterx?
[07:23] <eruin> blueturtle: in my experience, which is rather limited to the battlefield games
[07:23] <blueturtle> afraid of 0% productivity :)
[07:23] <Sionide> omg.
[07:23] <ogra> robin_: i already have an updated version on my disk, but the server is still missing, so even with the new send code it couldnt work :)
[07:23] <eruin> blueturtle: , cedega+linux+nvidia is faster
[07:23] <zerovertex> LOL
[07:23] <Sionide> housetier :| you keep cropping up everywhere
[07:23] <Sionide> fucken.. haha
[07:23] <LinuxJones> Sionide, you can install it on less than 10 gigs but you need space for tmp files and your work files etc...
[07:24] <robin_> orgra: that make sense :)
[07:24] <housetier> Sionide I was here before you! :D
[07:24] <ogra> robin_: i think it should be usable by end of next week
[07:24] <robin_> ogra: ok
[07:24] <blueturtle> tragically i'm stuck with ATI , who have yet to release any laptop drivers for games, i believe
[07:24] <Sionide> ha
[07:24] <Hunt02> is there anyone developping in Java on Ubuntu ?
[07:24] <Sionide> the net is a small place ;)
[07:24] <blueturtle> but i really haven't looked hard enough
[07:24] <blueturtle> Hunt02 occasionally
[07:24] <blueturtle> eclipse runs a treat
[07:25] <Hunt02> blueturtle, is eclipse easy to use ?
[07:25] <robin_> Other question, I have got i845 integrated graphics.. there is no driver for in Ubuntu, so i'm stuck with vesa :(.. I find this odd, because in debian,fedora core,mandrake (yes tried them all today) the driver is available
[07:25] <blueturtle> Hunt02, yeah, it's a bit big at the start, but once you get used to it it's better than coding up in small editors like vi etc
[07:25] <blueturtle> imo :P
[07:26] <blueturtle> i'll probably be brutalised for saying that
[07:26] <ogra> robin_: warty or hoary ?
[07:26] <robin_> ogra: hoary
[07:26] <farruinn> robin_: perhaps it's available for xfree86 but not xorg (if you're trying to use hoary)
[07:26] <blueturtle> but eclipse catches all your stupid compiling mistakes etc
[07:26] <robin_> farruinn: but fedora and mandrake uses xorg too
[07:26] <ogra> robin_: hmm, shouldnt it be the same driver as i810 uses ?
[07:26] <blueturtle> once you've installed eclipse, the only thing you have to do is set the java class path, and you're sorted
[07:26] <ogra> robin_: this one is included
[07:26] <HiddenWolf> how do I make sure that a callto:// link in firefox is sent to skype instead of gnome-meeting?
[07:27] <Waterloo> Hello
[07:27] <gtjacket7483> what is the horizsync rate for a 17" powerbook
[07:27] <blueturtle> eruin : in addition, i'd have to learn how to jump onto windows networks for gaming sessions
[07:27] <Waterloo> i am having roblems
[07:27] <Waterloo> I WANNA FUCKING HATE LINUX :d
[07:27] <Waterloo> anyway
[07:27] <blueturtle> and i only have so much time :)
[07:27] <Waterloo> i am trying to install Xfce
[07:27] <Waterloo> aND I GETTING GTK error
[07:27] <Waterloo> i dont kno whow to install
[07:27] <robin_> ogra: not really, I thinks it should work with i810 (it select that one) but I don't get a higher resolution than 800x600
[07:27] <Waterloo> what to get
[07:27] <Waterloo> I BEEN READING FOR 2000 HRS
[07:27] <Waterloo> and I GOT NO useful info
[07:27] <Waterloo> other than DOwnload Site
[07:27] <Waterloo> any ideas?
[07:27] <eruin> blueturtle: windows networks are the same  :P
[07:28] <robin_> ogra: and what I recall there should be a i845 or i850 driver
[07:28] <farruinn> HiddenWolf: Applications>System [tools?] >Configuration Editor
[07:28] <Waterloo> ERUIN do u know?
[07:28] <zerovertex> calm down... breathe.... count to 10...
[07:28] <ogra> robin_: ah, ok, so the driver is ok, just the autodetection is broken
[07:28] <Waterloo> lol..
[07:28] <Waterloo> ok
[07:28] <Waterloo> o ya i using ubuntu as well
[07:28] <Waterloo> FUCK THEM OTHER FUCK HEADS :D
[07:28] <farruinn> HiddenWolf: look under desktop>gnome>url-handlers>callto
[07:28] <apokryphos> Alright cowboy.
[07:28] <apokryphos> calm down ;-)
[07:28] <Waterloo> i am
[07:28] <Spun> Hi all
[07:28] <Waterloo> So
[07:28] <eruin> Waterloo: if I knew, I'd tell
[07:28] <robin_> ogra:  No the right driver is missing :)
[07:28] <Waterloo> WHAT do i need?
[07:28] <apokryphos> Waterloo: the repositories don't let you download it?
[07:28] <Spun> Can someone help me?
[07:28] <robin_> ogra: mine is not i810 compatible
[07:28] <thoreauputic> Waterloo: what was wrong with sudo apt-get install xfce ?
[07:29] <ogra> robin_: then you wouldnt see 800x600
[07:29] <Waterloo> I want to install the updated GIMP, Open Office, XFCE 4
[07:29] <blueturtle> we have trouble enough getting windows machines to recognise each other, not to mind getting them to recognise Linux :) One fellow did it working on a windows gaming lan, so i should ask him how he did it
[07:29] <Waterloo> I want to install the updated GIMP, Open Office, XFCE 4
[07:29] <Waterloo> that's all
[07:29] <apokryphos> Waterloo: all of which you can do from the repositories.
[07:29] <png> Waterloo, there is a great how to at http://www.ubuntuforums.org
[07:29] <Waterloo> WHat?
[07:29] <Spun> Open Office is still beta.
[07:29] <Waterloo> i know
[07:29] <Waterloo> i saw that
[07:29] <Waterloo> I READ THAT
[07:29] <Waterloo> it doesn't work
[07:29] <Waterloo> i need to install GTK or something
[07:29] <moodsoft> hi all, I'm looking at the Live version of ubuntu on a mac mini. how do I tell it to mount the mac os drive?
[07:29] <Waterloo> HOW?
[07:29] <apokryphos> Waterloo: CAPS ARE UNNECESSARY.
[07:29] <eyequeue> Waterloo:  stop screaming
[07:29] <Waterloo> sorry.
[07:29] <eruin> blueturtle: well, I for one have had no trouble with em on ubuntu hoary... I could share / fetch files off the win computers here out of the box
[07:29] <eruin> :p
[07:30] <apokryphos> Waterloo: so what's wrong? You get an error in synaptic?
[07:30] <Waterloo> ya
[07:30] <Waterloo> GLP or something
[07:30] <Hunt02> i'm gonna have a look at the live-cd
[07:30] <blueturtle> it's crazy sometimes. 10, 12 computer scientists in the room with a combined total of 45ish years of college, and we get silly network errors
[07:30] <eyequeue> Waterloo:  you don't act it
[07:30] <ogra> robin_: that you see anything indicates the driver isthere, xorg still has a lot of probs with the autodetection (i.e. widescreen displays dont work right with many drivers yet)
[07:30] <thoreauputic> Waterloo: and please stop hitting the enter key every 2 seconds
[07:30] <robin_> ogra: You don't understand me I think.. the i810 driver is ok for the i810 not for the card I use
[07:30] <Spun> I'm very new, I want to install Ubuntu on my PC, What must i do?
[07:30] <Hunt02> KDe isn't included, is it?
[07:30] <Waterloo> sorry little keybaord, and i am nervous
[07:30] <apokryphos> Hunt02: it's not; only in the kubuntu live cd.
[07:30] <Waterloo> got a bichion to! my second DOG
[07:30] <robin_> ogra: so there should be an i845 driver available
[07:30] <Waterloo> He is so CUTE
[07:30] <Riddell> not on the ubuntu CD, you can use a kubuntu CD or apt-get install it
[07:30] <Spun> Anyone?
[07:30] <farruinn> Hunt02: it is in main now
[07:31] <Waterloo> so what is a res something
[07:31] <moodsoft> anyone know?
[07:31] <farruinn> robin_: take a look at the xorg website and look up your card
[07:31] <Hunt02> is it easy to upgrade to a newer version of gnome once it is released  ?
[07:31] <ogra> robin_: afaik daniels included all the intel drivers
[07:31] <Waterloo> Want the whole message?
[07:31] <eruin> Hunt02: yes
[07:31] <Spun> Well, If anyone is willing to help anytime soon, Dont hesitate to go private.
[07:31] <farruinn> robin_: ogra is right, the i810 driver is used for a number of i8** cards
[07:31] <projectmayhem> anyone know how to sign on as root in CUPS configuration page?
[07:31] <Hunt02> eruin, just apt-get will do the trick ?
[07:31] <Waterloo> what media player plays WMV fileS?
[07:31] <apokryphos> Hunt02: that's right.
[07:31] <vixus> Is this a serious problem? I was upgrading to hoary, will the update have completed properly even with this? (Pasting error: 1 line)
[07:31] <vixus> Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/mozilla-firefox_1.0+dfsg.1-6ubuntu1_i386.deb | /var/cache/apt/archives/mozilla-firefox-gnome-support_1.0+dfsg.1-6ubuntu1_i386.deb | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net hoary-backports/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net_ubuntu_dists_hoary-backports_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or dire
[07:32] <vixus> ctory) | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net hoary-backports/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net_ubuntu_dists_hoary-backports_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[07:32] <apokryphos> Waterloo: mplayer/xine
[07:32] <Waterloo> i can't install
[07:32] <vixus> 2 lines even.
[07:32] <zerovertex> Spun... www.ubuntuguide.org
[07:32] <Waterloo> i am newbie to this.
[07:32] <Waterloo> apok want to go private
[07:32] <vixus> Waterloo: What's up?
[07:32] <eruin> Hunt02: 02
[07:32] <eruin> Hunt02: yes, even ;)
[07:32] <Waterloo> i'll tell u all my problems
[07:32] <moodsoft> I guess no one uses ubuntu on the mac here?
[07:32] <Waterloo> what's up
[07:32] <vixus> Waterloo: sudo apt-get install xine
[07:32] <blueturtle> lol
[07:32] <HiddenWolf> farruin: now it starts a new skype for every time I click the link. :S
[07:32] <blueturtle> lucky you ...
[07:32] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell Waterloo uburestricted
[07:32] <Pyre> Waterloo: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:32] <Waterloo> how about getting XFCE 4 to work.
[07:32] <zerovertex> moodsoft, i'm a ppc ubuntu guy... but i got a powerbook g3
[07:32] <Waterloo> updaing GIMP
[07:32] <thoreauputic> moodsoft: of course they do
[07:32] <farruinn> HiddenWolf: hm, I don't actually use skype, but I'm pretty sure that the gconf thing you want
[07:33] <vixus> Is the above a problem?
[07:33] <Waterloo> hmm
[07:33] <Waterloo> sec
[07:33] <farruinn> vixus: please don't flood the channel
[07:33] <moodsoft> zerovertex, ok, how would I tell ubuntu to mount my mac os hard drive?
[07:33] <LinuxJones> apokryphos, we got a bot in Ubuntu ?
[07:33] <farruinn> vixus: get rid of backports from your soruces.list
[07:33] <zerovertex> moodsoft, i don't dualboot, sorry
[07:33] <selinium_> Hi thoreauputic!
[07:33] <vixus> farruinn... sorry, thanks though.
[07:33] <Waterloo> E: Couldn't find package xine
[07:34] <selinium_> Hi all, what is the best audio player on Ubuntu
[07:34] <Waterloo> i tried the debian package thing
[07:34] <apokryphos> LinuxJones: not part of Ubuntu; I just find him handy for recalling links.
[07:34] <Spun> Anyone want to help?
[07:34] <Waterloo> for XFCE4
[07:34] <Waterloo> but that didn't work either
[07:34] <apokryphos> LinuxJones: and a few other [less used]  things.
[07:34] <Waterloo> E: Couldn't find package xine
[07:34] <zerovertex> Spun... www.ubuntuguide.org
[07:34] <LinuxJones> apokryphos, where did it come from ?
[07:34] <Waterloo> what is this?
[07:34] <Waterloo> E: Couldn't find package xine
[07:34] <Spun> Thanks, I'll take a look
[07:34] <farruinn> moodsoft: add a line to your /etc/fstab
[07:34] <apokryphos> LinuxJones: me :)
[07:34] <LinuxJones> apokryphos, are there any links for using/adding info ?
[07:34] <speedy2782> I am having issues with my wlan0. I am able to get it to connect to an AP but can't make it connect to the internet without the lan plugged in
[07:34] <moodsoft> farruinn, I'm just using the live cd right now
[07:34] <LinuxJones> apokryphos, awesome
[07:34] <speedy2782> what steps am I forgeting
[07:34] <Waterloo> what is this error mean? E: Couldn't find package xine
[07:34] <Waterloo> WhAT Does this error mean? E: Couldn't find package xine
[07:34] <vixus> New problem: Synaptic won't run after the upgrade (Terminated with 127 status)
[07:35] <Spun> zerovertex: I dont think the site works.
[07:35] <farruinn> moodsoft: ah, so is the disk hfs or hfs+?
[07:35] <projectmayhem> hey anyone know how to access cups page as root?
[07:35] <selinium_> Anyone connect a palm device?
[07:35] <zerovertex> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[07:35] <Waterloo> Why do i keep getting this error when i try debian package of XFCE 4 and the Thing u guys just gave me? E: Couldn't find package xine
[07:35] <Waterloo>  y? i am loggedin as root
[07:35] <speedy2782> wlan0     Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:09:5B:63:32:C7
[07:35] <speedy2782>           inet6 addr: fe80::209:5bff:fe63:32c7/64 Scope:Link
[07:35] <speedy2782>           UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
[07:35] <speedy2782>           RX packets:102 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
[07:35] <speedy2782>           TX packets:11 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
[07:35] <vixus> Waterloo: Have you added all the extra repositories from Ubuntuguide?
[07:35] <speedy2782>           collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
[07:35] <speedy2782>           RX bytes:34420 (33.6 KiB)  TX bytes:2430 (2.3 KiB)
[07:35] <blackstar> speedy: you need to make sure that your eth0 is down
[07:35] <speedy2782>           Interrupt:17 Memory:e4100000-e4100024
[07:35] <zerovertex> i'm outta here guys. later
[07:35] <Waterloo> I DONT know what that is
[07:35] <moodsoft> farruinn, not sure, what ever the default is for a new Mac system running OS X
[07:35] <vixus> oi! He flooded!
[07:35] <Waterloo> REPOSITORIES?
[07:35] <speedy2782> I have done taht
[07:35] <Waterloo> i am not a doctor
[07:35] <zenrox> speedy2782,  please dont flood use www.patebin.com
[07:35] <speedy2782> and it doesn't make a difference
[07:35] <farruinn> moodsoft: ok, so from the terminal run 'sudo modprobe hfsplus'
[07:35] <robin_> ogra: "i810 supports the i810, i810-DC100, i810e, i815, 830M, 845G, 852GM, 855GM, 865G and 915G chipsets." quote from x.org
[07:35] <vixus> Waterloo: Use yer brain.
[07:36] <Spun> zerovertex: Won't load.
[07:36] <speedy2782> no problem, will use in future
[07:36] <Waterloo> what?
[07:36] <blackstar> you then need to type in dhclient eth1
[07:36] <robin_> ogra: So you are right :)
[07:36] <Waterloo> THE INSIDE?
[07:36] <ogra> robin_: i expected this ;)
[07:36] <eyequeue> Waterloo:  stop screaming
[07:36] <LinuxJones> apokryphos, cool the only thing I miss about #debian is apt (bot)
[07:36] <robin_> ogra: sry :) but I should be able to change some settings and get my 1024x768 ?
[07:36] <_the_1_> brb
[07:36] <robin_> ogra: manualy ?
[07:36] <ogra> robin_: its a detection issue, for now, try to google for a modeline and try it out :)
[07:36] <Waterloo> well any ideas?
[07:36] <Waterloo> becuase everything i try
[07:36] <robin_> ogra: ok
[07:36] <Sionide> anyone here tried ubuntu on a tablet pc?
[07:36] <Waterloo> it says parts not installed
[07:36] <moodsoft> farruinn, no response
[07:36] <selinium_> Hi all, what is the best audio player on Ubuntu
[07:36] <Waterloo> E some bUll SH*T
[07:37] <farruinn> moodsoft: that's fine, there is no output
[07:37] <selinium_> Anyone connected a palm device?
[07:37] <projectmayhem> i like xmms...
[07:37] <Waterloo> so.............. i must be frustrated no?
[07:37] <farruinn> moodsoft: then use the mount command
[07:37] <selinium_> cheers projectmayhem
[07:37] <projectmayhem> selinium you've got plenty of choices, why not try em all out?
[07:37] <vixus> Synaptic nor aptitude will work! My distro suddenly broke. C'mon, help or I'm screwed.
[07:37] <Spun> Anyone willing to guide or talk me over the installation for Ubuntu pleas.
[07:37] <Waterloo> Can anyone help?
[07:37] <farruinn> moodsoft: for example, "sudo mount -t hfsplus /dev/hda9 /mnt"
[07:37] <vixus> aptitude: error while loading shared libraries: libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5.so.3.9: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[07:37] <projectmayhem> selinium ubuntu guide has instructions on how to install a WHOLE bunch of audio players, all of em have plusses and minuses
[07:37] <Waterloo> Spun: Follow the wordS?
[07:37] <Waterloo> Instructions
[07:37] <Waterloo> i just did it
[07:37] <Waterloo> took me 20 mins
[07:38] <projectmayhem> selinium kaffeine is pretty good too, just sudo apt-get install kaffeine
[07:38] <selinium_> projectmayhem: I suppose its not like windows where it leave stuff behind when you uninstall?
[07:38] <Spun> Words?
[07:38] <Waterloo> follow instructions
[07:38] <Waterloo> ya inSTRuCTiONS!!
[07:38] <Spun> Well, Would help if i put the install cd in and something happens
[07:38] <Waterloo> Ah
[07:38] <Waterloo> u set boot from CD!
[07:38] <moodsoft> farruinn, it doesn't know about htfsplus
[07:38] <Waterloo> XFCE4 does anyone use this?
[07:39] <Waterloo> what player runs WMV files
[07:39] <Spun> Heh, that's wu
[07:39] <Waterloo> i get some gay E error
[07:39] <Spun> is the disk DVD? :P
[07:39] <blueturtle> Spun : are you putting in the cd when windows is running
[07:39] <vixus> Well, I think apt-get -f install should fix it.
[07:39] <farruinn> moodsoft: hfsplus, not htfsplus?
[07:39] <Waterloo> ERROR
[07:39] <projectmayhem> anyone know how to access cups configuration?
[07:39] <Waterloo> i'm in as root 2
[07:39] <HiddenWolf> farruin: can you check for me what the default for callto:// is?
[07:39] <Waterloo> Nothing upgraded
[07:39] <Waterloo> bah
[07:40] <sulex> projectmayhem,  http://127.0.0.1:631
[07:40] <Waterloo> so this means i have XINE?
[07:40] <Spun> Yes
[07:40] <Waterloo> WHERE
[07:40] <selinium_> HiddenWolf: is that a skype reference?
[07:40] <Waterloo> where?
[07:40] <Waterloo> how i turn it on
[07:40] <HiddenWolf> selinium_ I've got skype working, yeah. Need to get the callto:// thing right, atm it's doing nothing.
[07:40] <Waterloo> Does this mean i have XFCE 4 to?
[07:40] <moodsoft> farruinn, cool, it was /dev3
[07:41] <selinium_> HiddenWolf: OK
[07:41] <selinium_> :p
[07:41] <farruinn> HiddenWolf: command=gnomemeeting -c %s enabled=true
[07:41] <farruinn> moodsoft: excellent
[07:41] <Spun> Yes, Windows is running while i enter the CD
[07:41] <HiddenWolf> farruinn: thanks
[07:41] <Waterloo> HEy
[07:41] <Waterloo> QUesTION
[07:41] <Waterloo> WHere the fook is xine?
[07:41] <Waterloo> idid  apt-get -f install
[07:41] <vixus> OK, I can't install Firefox 1.0 from the hoary repositories for some reason. It keeps saying cannot find or something.
[07:41] <Waterloo> it says 0 upgrade
[07:41] <Waterloo> 0 this
[07:41] <HiddenWolf> selinium_: if you know how to make skype pick up the command, please say so. :)
[07:41] <Waterloo> and - remove
[07:41] <vixus> Waterloo: That was for me, not you.
[07:41] <Waterloo> O!
[07:41] <Waterloo> MY
[07:41] <dabi> hmm i reinstalled some packs of my ubuntu and after reboot it changed to english.. what can i do to have it in finnish again?
[07:42] <Waterloo> How about ME!
[07:42] <ompaul> what is the more / less for gz files?
[07:42] <eyequeue> Waterloo:  stop screaming
[07:42] <selinium_>  farruinn: what does the %s do in the command line.
[07:42] <Waterloo> i'm not
[07:42] <vixus> Waterloo: How about using the GUIDE?
[07:42] <Waterloo> I TRIED
[07:42] <Waterloo> FUCK
[07:42] <Spun> Waterloo: You are annoying and pushie
[07:42] <Waterloo> KEEP Getting errors
[07:42] <Sionide> mmm pringles
[07:42] <Bubbling_Zombie> now you're screamin' again :<
[07:42] <apokryphos> Waterloo: the excessive profanity is unnecessary, and stop flooding the irc.
[07:42] <selinium_> HiddenWolf: Sorry, i just recognise it from my Windows days.
[07:42] <farruinn> selinium_: my guess is it's the url
[07:42] <Waterloo> he he my g/f dont think so
[07:42] <Waterloo> anyway i get some GLP error
[07:42] <Spun> Go apt-get here.
[07:42] <ompaul> Waterloo, capital letters  are reguarded as shouting
[07:42] <Waterloo> SO What is this GLP?
[07:42] <ogra> Waterloo: if you behave a little more polite and stop shouting and swearing, probably someone will help
[07:43] <Waterloo> o
[07:43] <vixus> Is firefox in the repositories?
[07:43] <Waterloo> caps is screaming?
[07:43] <Waterloo> sorry.
[07:43] <apokryphos> vixus: yes
[07:43] <Spun> ogra: That's what i'm doing, and isnt working =p
[07:43] <reon> .
[07:43] <Waterloo> how do i install the gtk+ thing?
[07:43] <selinium_> HiddenWolf: did you know that Skype have released the SkypeIn beta
[07:43] <Waterloo> my new dog is so cute!
[07:43] <moodsoft> rats, it wouldn't let me get into my Desktop directory :-( permission denied
[07:43] <vixus> apokryphos, then how come I can't install it?
[07:43] <dabi> is there any way i can have my ubuntu in finnish again?
[07:44] <vixus> apokryphos, Do you want to see the errors?
[07:44] <HiddenWolf> selinium_: just saw that, yup
[07:44] <HiddenWolf> dabi: install the language packs
[07:44] <apokryphos> vixus: sure, pastebin the output if you can.
[07:44] <vixus> ok
[07:44] <Waterloo> how do i GTK thing?
[07:44] <selinium_> I have just paid the money so i will let you know if you like
[07:44] <vixus> apokryphos: I can't use pastebin, my firefox is screwed.
[07:44] <Waterloo> GTK+-2
[07:44] <Waterloo> how?
[07:44] <Waterloo> what do i do?
[07:44] <ompaul> Waterloo > apt-cache search gtk < gives a lot of results
[07:44] <Waterloo> then?
[07:45] <sulex> Waterloo, soooo .... do you think we're going to help someone that jsut know how to tell FUCK FUCK FUCK and dosn't give the others space to talk......man you first need to understand how an irc channel works I think.... go back to windows and start RTFMs!
[07:45] <reon> Waterloo, use synaptic
[07:45] <Waterloo> hey there are XFCE words
[07:45] <dabi> HiddenWolf, with what name i should search? i installed it on finnish but after updating it changed..
[07:45] <selinium_> HiddenWolf: I have just paid the money so i will let you know if you like
[07:45] <Waterloo> synaptiC?
[07:45] <Waterloo> i am korean man, easy words might help
[07:45] <Waterloo> o ya i did apt-cache search gtk
[07:45] <tritium> okay, everybody be coool
[07:45] <Waterloo> and got this
[07:45] <HiddenWolf> dabi: warty or hoary?
[07:45] <Waterloo> long thing
[07:45] <reon> Toolbar-System-Administration-Synaptic Package Manger
[07:45] <Waterloo> what is it
[07:46] <HiddenWolf> selinium_: if you want, I'm paying my fixed-line in a bundle with my rent tho, so not much use for me
[07:46] <dabi> HiddenWolf, im new with ubuntu i dont really know.. downloaded about 4 days ago some "preview" ver.
[07:46] <Waterloo> can i post it?
[07:46] <Waterloo> what i got?
[07:46] <ompaul> Waterloo, if you do not understand the answer then you need to use some other tool - > syanptic > is one such tool fire it up from the com
[07:46] <farruinn> dabi: hoary =)
[07:46] <ompaul> nt
[07:46] <ompaul> no
[07:46] <HiddenWolf> dabi, let me check
[07:46] <Waterloo> what?
[07:46] <ompaul> Waterloo, slow down
[07:46] <Waterloo> so what should i do with syanptic
[07:46] <selinium_> k it is just that it is like a mobile. Peolpe canring you on whatever PC you are logged into.
[07:46] <Waterloo> want to know what i need help from?
[07:46] <ompaul> Waterloo, why do you want gtk ?
[07:47] <Waterloo> XFCE 4
[07:47] <selinium_> HiddenWolf: k it is just that it is like a mobile. Peolpe can ring you on whatever PC you are logged into.
[07:47] <Waterloo> i use UbUnTu becuase mandrake was bad to me
[07:47] <HiddenWolf> selinium_: that's cool
[07:47] <ompaul> Waterloo, so you want to use xfce
[07:47] <Waterloo> yes
[07:47] <Waterloo> i tried the debian package
[07:47] <Waterloo> with some gay E: error
[07:47] <HiddenWolf> selinium_: really waiting for integration of evolution/galago here. ;)
[07:47] <Waterloo> i tried installer with some GTK error
[07:47] <SidDithersL> who here uses wpa_supplicant?
[07:47] <ompaul> Waterloo, the use of word gay will get you ignored ...
[07:47] <selinium_> HiddenWolf: galago?
[07:47] <vixus> Why not kick him?
[07:47] <eyequeue> Waterloo:  please drop the homophobia, you are offending enough here already
[07:48] <Waterloo> Ok i got the dog off me
[07:48] <dabi> HiddenWolf, I dont really need it in finnish.. (actually this was my first os in finnish) but if this is some beta ver. or something it may be best to check why did it change and fix it...
[07:48] <HiddenWolf> dabi: "sudo apt-get install language-pack-fi language-support-fi" should do the trick (in a terminal
[07:48] <Waterloo> so any ideas?
[07:48] <dabi> k
[07:48] <ompaul> Waterloo, did you do the following >> apt-get install xfce << ?
[07:48] <Waterloo> tried and get bad message
[07:48] <dabi> HiddenWolf, root?
[07:48] <HiddenWolf> dabi: I have no clue about why it changed, shouldn't happen really
[07:48] <SidDithersL> anybody here use wpa_supplicant, at all? :/
[07:48] <HiddenWolf> dabi: ubuntu disables root by default, but sudo does the trick
[07:48] <ompaul> Waterloo, you got an error can you post the error in www.pastebin.com please
[07:49] <Waterloo> hmm it working now?
[07:49] <Waterloo> wtf!
[07:49] <Waterloo> grr
[07:49] <Waterloo> wait
[07:49] <Waterloo> E: something message
[07:49] <Waterloo> what is that
[07:49] <apokryphos> stop flooding
[07:49] <apokryphos> geez
[07:49] <HiddenWolf> dabi: you're indeed running a development version, codename 'hoary hedgehog' - hoary for short
[07:49] <Waterloo> YA I GOT XFCE......... i'm happy :) thank you
[07:49] <factotum> so did they pass that law in europe regarding software patents?
[07:49] <eyequeue> someone please kick Waterloo
[07:49] <ompaul> factotum, almost :(
[07:49] <factotum> xfce is nice
[07:49] <reon> lol, sometimes it is good to just sit back and watch the text scroll past...
[07:49] <Waterloo> question using Gnome right now, how i get it to xfce?
[07:49] <factotum> ompaul: that's not good
[07:49] <SidDithersL> anybody?
[07:49] <dampjam> How do I setup gnome so that when I double click an EXE it launches with wine?
[07:50] <ompaul> factotum, I know only too well
[07:50] <Waterloo> now what i do?
[07:50] <squallbsr> anybody know how to get rhythmbox to play mp3 streams in hoary (5.04 - the preview release?)
[07:50] <factotum> ompaul: you directly affected?
[07:50] <Waterloo> i'm guessing xfce is done,
[07:50] <HiddenWolf> selinium_: galago is a project to make the gnome desktop 'presence-aware' IE, tie in everything from mail to voip and IM to make sure you can get in touch with anyone, anywhere
[07:50] <eb0x> Good Morning :)
[07:50] <eyequeue> ompaul:  btw, that is in universe
[07:50] <Waterloo> but how do i see
[07:50] <ompaul> Waterloo, I might be
[07:50] <Waterloo> ?
[07:50] <ompaul> doh
[07:50] <danielosss> Hello
[07:50] <farruinn> squallbsr: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats holds the answer I believe
[07:50] <ompaul> factotum, I might be
[07:50] <selinium_> HiddenWolf: Cool
[07:50] <Waterloo> removing Gnome is possible?
[07:50] <ompaul> Waterloo, not suggested behaviour
[07:51] <danielosss> running on the first livecd that work with my machine!
[07:51] <Waterloo> what?
[07:51] <ompaul> Waterloo, you can run xfce inside of gnome
[07:51] <Waterloo> how
[07:51] <ompaul> Waterloo, type xfce
[07:51] <Waterloo> if i wanted to can i uninstall gnome?
[07:51] <Waterloo> where?
[07:51] <Waterloo> xfce?
[07:51] <Goshawk> Waterloo, sudo apt-get remove gnome
[07:51] <vixus> :|
[07:51] <vixus> Yep
[07:51] <vixus> that's hot remove gnome.
[07:51] <Waterloo> YA i getting answers :D
[07:51] <vixus> *how
[07:51] <squallbsr> farruinn: thank you very much
[07:51] <nix000> anyone explain to me how modprobe.d works ?  i am putting module options for nvidia but they are not picked up. i ended up putting in modprobe.conf and it seems working.
[07:52] <HiddenWolf> waterloo: killing gnome isnt' very smart
[07:52] <Waterloo> i know
[07:52] <Goshawk> Waterloo, i suggest you to install a new desktop manager "before" removing grome
[07:52] <Waterloo> xfce?
[07:52] <eyequeue> /lastlog Waterloo | wc -l
[07:52] <Waterloo> is xfce not a desktop manager
[07:52] <HiddenWolf> waterloo: it is
[07:53] <Waterloo> so if i use Xfce
[07:53] <Waterloo> then i can kill gnome?
[07:53] <andrewski> Waterloo: what's the problem?
[07:53] <ompaul> factotum, well I work in a small tech company and we develop hardware/software solutions
[07:53] <Waterloo> wondering if it's smart to go and kill gnome and use xfce
[07:53] <Waterloo> wondering if it's smart to go and kill gnome and use xfce
[07:53] <farruinn> Waterloo: just log out?
[07:53] <danielosss> does hoary will include eclipse 3?
[07:53] <vixus> Waterloo: Yes it is.
[07:53] <factotum> ompaul: yea i suppose if your on any kind of payroll regarding software, your affected on way or another
[07:53] <Waterloo> ok
[07:53] <Waterloo> then how i kill gnome?
[07:53] <vixus> Waterloo: Ditch gnome immediately.
[07:54] <Waterloo> if i kill gnome
[07:54] <vixus> Waterloo: sudo apt-get remove gnome... CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE
[07:54] <Waterloo> k
[07:54] <Waterloo> then
[07:54] <Waterloo> will xdce thing come up by it self?
[07:54] <factotum> does removing gnome remove anything like gtk or things like that such as apps. or just the DE
[07:54] <andrewski> Waterloo: i'd just install xfce over top of it; you don't need to remove gnome, and it'd be nice to have a fallback in case you don't like it (though i doubt that :)
[07:55] <Waterloo> how i install overtop?
[07:55] <vixus> waterloo: apt-get install xfce
[07:55] <farruinn> Waterloo: when you install xfce it should create a new xsession file for you, so at the gdm login you can click sessions and choose xfce
[07:55] <Waterloo> i did that
[07:55] <Waterloo> Ok.
[07:55] <vixus> Then just logout and reboot.
[07:55] <andrewski> Waterloo: then, restart gdm and you can change "sessions"
[07:55] <Waterloo> ok
[07:55] <Waterloo> like in mandrake?
[07:55] <farruinn> vixus: reboot?
[07:55] <vixus> farruin... yes ;)
[07:55] <farruinn> that's pointless
[07:55] <apokryphos> farruinn: could pass time :)
[07:56] <mirak> why is there no device file for the NIC ?
[07:56] <farruinn> oooooh
[07:56] <eyequeue> i could see telling him to power off maybe
[07:56] <Waterloo> nope
[07:56] <Waterloo> no Xdfce
[07:56] <Waterloo> session
[07:56] <andrewski> Waterloo: from where did you get the packages?
[07:56] <Waterloo> apt-get install xfce
[07:56] <vixus> ansrewski. :D
[07:56] <andrewski> Waterloo: you should get the ones from os-works.com; they have the newer version.
[07:57] <andrewski> vixus: ?
[07:57] <vixus> hello.
[07:57] <hexial> hello i need some help
[07:57] <Waterloo> but it never worked
[07:57] <andrewski> vixus: hi. :)
[07:57] <Waterloo> which some?
[07:57] <Waterloo> frmo os-works?
[07:57] <andrewski> Waterloo: go there.
[07:57] <Waterloo> i am
[07:57] <Waterloo> their
[07:57] <ompaul> factotum, why can't those silly politicians get the idea that copyright allows you and I to make devices that add one and one and get two they can be the same method where we do not see each others methods - patents let someone own one plus one equals two in a device :(
[07:57] <Waterloo> the debian? package
[07:57] <andrewski> Waterloo: and while you're there, set up the deb repository.
[07:57] <Waterloo> how?
[07:58] <ompaul> if only there was a way to search the internet
[07:58] <andrewski> Waterloo: there are instructions.
[07:58] <Waterloo> ect/apt thing
[07:58] <hexial> when i run the ubuntu live cd, my display works perfectly (inspiron 8000). when i installed it on the hard drive, it doubles itself so i have 2 mirror images of the desktop on the screen
[07:58] <Waterloo> where u add the URL?
[07:58] <Waterloo> i did that
[07:58] <eyequeue> can't you people see this guy is trolling you?  look how many lines he's taken up
[07:58] <Waterloo> i have been here before andrewski
[07:58] <Waterloo> and i always get that annoying message that starts with E:
[07:58] <factotum> ompaul: yes, just doesn't seem at minimal, practical at all
[07:59] <Bubbling_Zombie> ompaul, because most politicians know about as much as computer as your average 50+ person
[07:59] <eyequeue> someone please kick Waterloo
[07:59] <blueturtle> no ops
[07:59] <Waterloo> y!
[07:59] <blueturtle> just /ignore
[07:59] <danielosss> how exactly work a live cd? there is a program that unpack a disk image in ram? or it is compressed all time?
[07:59] <Waterloo> E: Broken Packages
[08:00] <ompaul> Bubbling_Zombie, yes I believe to be true, factotum to use a single word `yes`
[08:00] <Waterloo> i typed in apt-get install -t testing xfld-desktop and get E: Broken Packages
[08:00] <hexial> i needsome help
[08:00] <Waterloo> and some other stuff
[08:00] <blueturtle> laters guys
[08:00] <andrewski> Waterloo: you should take this conversation to #xfce where someone could help you; this isn't an ubuntu problem.
[08:00] <reon> .
[08:00] <Waterloo> ok
[08:00] <Waterloo> they have a channel?
[08:00] <speedy2782> My wlan0 won't pick up an IP address from the AP. What can be causing this problem
[08:00] <Waterloo> what channel?
[08:00] <apokryphos> Waterloo: the one he just typed.
[08:01] <Waterloo> ok
[08:01] <apokryphos> seek and ye shall find
[08:01] <Waterloo> Thank u
[08:01] <farruinn> hexial: maybe try 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' from the terminal
[08:01] <thor|afk> think and ye shall get a clue...
[08:01] <farruinn> hexial: btw, that's the oddest problem I've ever heard of, congrats ;)
[08:01] <ompaul> thor|afk, never
[08:01] <andrewski> thor|afk: lol
[08:02] <hexial> it's wierd
[08:02] <hexial> i just booted the live cd
[08:02] <hexial> and it works normally
[08:02] <hexial> but when i boot from the hard drive, it mirrors itself with this crazy tear in the middle
[08:02] <factotum> strange how that happens sometimes :P
[08:02] <hexial> i cant figure it out, all the setting are the same with the live and hard drive install
[08:03] <ompaul> hexial, cp the config files on to the hard drive and read the diffs then start the debug :)
[08:03] <reon> anyone here got experience compiling 32bit packages for 64bit ?
[08:03] <apokryphos> hexial: this is a bit of a stretch, but if it's working fine on the livecd, couldn't you copy over the x config file?
[08:03] <hexial> hmm
[08:03] <hexial> that sounds like it could work
[08:03] <thoreauputic> hexial: it's been known to, yeah ;)
[08:05] <Sionide> anyone here ever used damn small linux ?
[08:06] <ompaul> Sionide, yes aka dsl
[08:06] <Sionide> that's it.
[08:06] <ompaul> Sionide, I got rid of it very very quickly
[08:06] <hexial> where is the xconfig file located
[08:06] <hexial> lol
[08:06] <apokryphos> heatxsink: /etc/X11
[08:07] <ompaul> hexial, no laughing matter in /etc/X11
[08:07] <factotum> i used it for a bit and replaced it with slackware
[08:07] <farruinn> on the livecd?
[08:07] <apokryphos> I think it's something like XF86Config-4 for xfree
[08:07] <Sionide> well... this is the thing, i wanna put *nix on my tablet pc, but it doesnt have a cd-rom drive, obviously. but i *could* run dsl off my usb stick right? any ideas how i would make it boot off it?
[08:08] <factotum> Sionide: its an often asked question in many linux forums, a search will give you some results
[08:08] <ompaul> Sionide, you really need to read the faqs on that
[08:08] <Sionide> i looked on FAQs and stuff
[08:08] <factotum> booting from a usb stick that it
[08:08] <Sionide> ...thought as much :P
[08:08] <factotum> is
[08:08] <Sionide> oh i see
[08:08] <blackstar> i want to mount my window drives when ubuntu starts - where should i add the mount scripts
[08:09] <blackstar> for an auto mont on boot
[08:09] <reon> blackstar  fstab file
[08:09] <ompaul> blackstar, you should read the /etc/fstab and see the suggested options in there
[08:09] <blackstar> ok
[08:09] <hexial> if i try to copy them over to the hard drive
[08:10] <hexial> it says i dont have permission
[08:10] <reon> blackstar,   http://ubuntuguide.org/#windows
[08:10] <ompaul> hexial, you need to mount the partition
[08:10] <jazzka> hi!
[08:10] <reon> hexial,  sudo cp
[08:10] <hexial> k
[08:10] <jazzka> In which repository can I find xcompmgr and transset ??
[08:11] <apokryphos> jazzka: main, I should think.
[08:11] <dragonbyte> does anyone else have problems with beep-media-player not remembering window placement?
[08:12] <apokryphos> jazzka: yup, they're in hoary.
[08:12] <blackstar> speedy2782: did you get your wireless working
[08:13] <apokryphos> jazzka: erm, Universe. Well, definitely in the repos.
[08:13] <farruinn> dragonbyte: in hoary, nope
[08:13] <Hikaru79> jazzka, have you tried universe?
[08:14] <jazzka> Hikaru79: I'm apt-get updating to universe right now
[08:14] <dead|shell> ubuntu seems to be THE 64 bit distro
[08:14] <jazzka> dead|shell, why do you say that?
[08:14] <dampjam> I feel so wrong, dirty infact, I just installed IE in linux with WINE
[08:15] <dragonbyte> farruinn: i just upgraded to hoary
[08:15] <Bubbling_Zombie> ...
[08:15] <dead|shell> i keep reading about 64 bit distos and ubuntu gets great ratings jazzka
[08:15] <Bubbling_Zombie> way to go dampjam :p
[08:15] <reon> dampjam, you even admit it ;)
[08:15] <dragonbyte> farruinn: the windows will lock together, so i close and reopen, and it just kinda tosses em out there
[08:15] <ompaul> dampjam, you need to remove wine _now_, and learn the GPL2 in full backwards
[08:15] <diego> i'm just starting with linux and ubuntu... where can i get an antivirus?
[08:15] <dampjam> yeah yeah, but the allofmp3 explorer only works with IE and I really want cheap music
[08:16] <reon> diego, you dont really need AV
[08:16] <apokryphos> diego: well, you don't need one.
[08:16] <diego> really?
[08:16] <diego> why?
[08:16] <diego> jaja
[08:16] <JDahl> diego, you dont really need it - hence there's not much AV software
[08:16] <farruinn> dragonbyte: hm, definitely not experiencing that...
[08:16] <reon> diego, nice eh ?
[08:16] <diego> yes!!
[08:17] <ompaul> diego, because it is not Microsoft windows (R)
[08:17] <darksatanic> diego: IIRC, there have been a grand total of 10 or so Linux viruses, only one of which has actually been seen in the wild.
[08:17] <apokryphos> The short life and hard times of a Linux virus -- http://librenix.com/?inode=21
[08:17] <diego> that's cool..
[08:17] <darksatanic> If you want to scan for Windows viruses on a Linux machine, there's clamav.
[08:17] <Hikaru79> Haha
[08:17] <reon> "....only one of which has actually been seen in the wild."  and i suppose that is only urban legend... lol
[08:18] <hexial> what's the root login for ubuntu
[08:18] <reon> why you want root ?
[08:18] <darksatanic> hexial: There isn't one. Use sudo.
[08:18] <ompaul> hexial, there is none you use sudo
[08:18] <hexial> how would i go about doing that
[08:18] <darksatanic> sudo command_i_want_to_run
[08:18] <reon> sudo su
[08:18] <factotum> give root a password with #passwrd root *password*
[08:18] <factotum> or somthing like that
[08:19] <darksatanic> Then use your own password when it asks you for one.
[08:19] <pvh> Evolution ist kaput today in Hoary. Anyone else seeing that?
[08:19] <factotum> passwd maybe, cant remember
[08:19] <hexial> well i have the xconfig files on my desktop
[08:19] <tizen> If you just wanted to be dropped into a rootshell, just do sudo bash
[08:19] <hexial> i want to copy them to the etc/x11/ folder
[08:19] <pvh> hexial: sudo -s
[08:20] <darksatanic> sudo cp ~/PathToDesktop/XF86Config-4 /etc/X11
[08:20] <eyequeue> hexial:  http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[08:20] <jazzka> jazzka, are you okay?
[08:20] <eyequeue> is there a "default" cd burner in warty?  if not, recommendations?
[08:20] <maro> eyequeue: graveman rocks
[08:21] <thoreauputic> eyequeue: on warty, gnomebaker
[08:21] <LordGrunt> heya
[08:21] <selinium_> Anyone connected a palm device?
[08:21] <thoreauputic> eyequeue: I can give you a link for gnomebaker
[08:21] <Bubbling_Zombie> hi
[08:21] <vixus> pvh: I certainly hope not.
[08:22] <hexial> ok so now i'm root
[08:22] <_bij_> hi @ all!
[08:22] <hexial> how can i copy my dekstop files to the etc/x11/ fodler
[08:22] <eyequeue> thoreauputic:  k
[08:22] <factotum> gnomebaker eh? so i wont need k3b after all?
[08:22] <thoreauputic> eyequeue: http://people.debian.org/~goedson/packages/ubuntu/warty/
[08:22] <vixus> pvh: Not supposed to be broked
[08:22] <LordGrunt> im looking for sertain tools that i used to use on mdk. there was really usefull control center, quite different than here.
[08:22] <tizen> Hey guys, how do I make it so sudo asks me for my password everytime?
[08:22] <kzm> tizen: doesn't it?
[08:23] <vixus> hexial: cp ~/Desktop/* /etc/x11 (I may be wrong)
[08:23] <tizen> kzm: Nah, seems after i type it once, there's a while before it times out and asks again
[08:23] <thoreauputic> eyequeue: the package installed fine here with sudo dpkg -i
[08:23] <kzm> right -- is that a problem?
[08:23] <_bij_> hi, is there a way to make a hd-install of the gnome 2.10 livecd ubuntu distribution? Is ubuntu debian compatible?
[08:23] <vixus> _bij_: Ubuntu is debian+
[08:24] <tizen> kzm: I've been an linux admin for too long... I just get nervous I'll run a script with my user account thinking I'm safe, where all it needs to have is a sudo rm -rf ~/
[08:24] <diego> whats the difference between a gnome sesion and a "sistem defined sesion"?
[08:24] <tizen> or something
[08:24] <_bij_> so i can do a normal apt-get distupgrade?
[08:24] <LordGrunt> and other things, like ability to choose color depth. and i really need to configure monitor, it runs only at 60Hz, which hurts. i know my monitor can do 75
[08:24] <LinuxJones> _bij_,  it's debain based
[08:24] <kzm> tizen, the manpage says it can be overridden in /etc/sudoers.  Did ytoiu look into that?
[08:24] <LordGrunt> where to look??
[08:24] <kzm> Default time limit is 15 minutes.
[08:24] <thully> yes - just point apt at Ubuntu rather than debian sources
[08:24] <pvh> vixus: I'm getting all kinds of interesting console error messages.
[08:24] <tizen> kzm: Yeah, I am looking at the man page right now. I was just curious if someone here had done it before
[08:24] <pvh> vixus: I'm just trying to interpret them.
[08:24] <vixus> _bij_: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade (Change all 'warty' repositories to 'hoary')
[08:24] <thully> they have 95% of packages that are in unstable (at least in hoary)
[08:24] <ompaul> tizen, that period of time is in /etc/sudoers timestamp_timeout
[08:25] <tizen> sweet, thanks
[08:25] <vixus> pvh: Ok.
[08:25] <pvh> vixus: Looks like it's a libgtk-html problem
[08:25] <vixus> :o
[08:25] <vixus> pvh: Yeah, I'm having probs with my upgrade too.
[08:25] <_bij_> LinuxJones, so it is possible to update without any problems?
[08:25] <thoreauputic> diego: default system session reads ~/.xsession
[08:25] <eyequeue> for that matter, is there a default cd burner for hoary?  did i read something in the gnome 2.10 release notes maybe
[08:25] <hexial> no the copy command didn't work
[08:25] <ompaul> tizen, set it to 0 but this does not mean that other sudo people can't do stuff like sudo -v sudo -k :) read the man page
[08:26] <LinuxJones> _bij_, you should do a fresh install and it is not advidable to use Debian repos
[08:26] <LinuxJones> terr advisable
[08:26] <thoreauputic> eyequeue: for hoary, most seem to like graveman
[08:26] <pvh> vixus: You know much about Evolution?
[08:26] <apokryphos> hexial: seems like you're going through a lot of hassle to just copy one file :). The above things should have worked, but you can always just put it on the net somewhere and then retrieve it...
[08:26] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> hey guys, i just put another ahrd drive n my computer
[08:26] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> how can i read from it
[08:26] <pvh> vixus: It seems like somehow my libgtkhtml-data got uninstalled, and took bonobo and everything else with it.
[08:27] <LordGrunt> [CX] -sw0rdsavy: u need to mount it
[08:27] <andrewski> is anyone using xfce from the os-works.com repostories?
[08:27] <vixus> pvh: Weird.
[08:28] <_bij_> until now i was using kanotix... with kanotix a distupgrade is possible without any problems... but the centrino speedstepping doesn't work for me... and with the ubuntu live install it works... so do you recommend to change to ubuntu linux?
[08:28] <pvh> vixus: That didn't fix it. Damn it!
[08:28] <swalker> is there a way to install ubuntu without X?  I just did a install, but didn't see a option to not install x windows since I'm only going to use the computer for a server
[08:28] <vixus> pvh: Hmm... so you can't get anything back?
[08:28] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> how do i know which /dev/hd* its on
[08:28] <stefan> hi
[08:28] <pvh> swalker: I recommend you use a different distro
[08:29] <vixus> hu stefan.
[08:29] <LordGrunt> [CX] -sw0rdsavy: it should be hdc
[08:29] <vixus> *hi
[08:29] <stefan> how can i add a launcher to a menu?
[08:29] <vixus> swalker: Trustix?
[08:29] <pvh> swalker: Ubuntu kicks arse, but it's more targetted to desktops. Debian might be a good hcoice.
[08:29] <eyequeue> swalker:  advanced
[08:29] <LordGrunt> [CX] -sw0rdsavy: or hdc1 rather
[08:29] <hexial> no it's not working
[08:29] <hexial> arg
[08:29] <vixus> stefan: Right click > Add launcher
[08:29] <eyequeue> swalker:  worked well here doing just that
[08:29] <LinuxJones> _bij_, I really like Ubuntu but if your happy with Kanotix stick with that. Ubuntu has a regular release schedule, 18 month tech support etc... don't know if those are important to you.
[08:29] <hexial> <- wishes for root
[08:29] <eyequeue> hexial:  http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[08:29] <hexial> is there a way to login root?
[08:29] <eyequeue> hexial:  http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[08:29] <vixus> stefan: bash- nautilus applications
[08:30] <eyequeue> oops
[08:30] <swalker> eyequeue: where do I do "advanced"?  At the boot prompt from booting from the CD?
[08:30] <LordGrunt> i really need to be able to use  > 60Hz on my monitor, anyone can help me?
[08:30] <eyequeue> swalker:  press the various f keys with the install cd
[08:30] <swalker> eyequeue: thanks, will redo the install...
[08:30] <stefan> no, that doesnt works
[08:30] <LordGrunt> after few mo hours my eyes will start to bleed...
[08:31] <eyequeue> swalker:  i don't remember the exact syntax, but it wasn't hard
[08:31] <apokryphos> LordGrunt: you can either edit your x config file or reconfigure x. Are you using xorg?
[08:31] <Spun> Hi, Anyone care to help me out?
[08:31] <LordGrunt> no, xfree
[08:31] <stefan> i have tried opening nautilus and going to applications:///
[08:31] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> serisouly i cannot find the second hard drive people
[08:31] <stefan> but that doesnt works either
[08:31] <apokryphos> LordGrunt: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[08:31] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> when it was booting up it had a device i/o error
[08:31] <eyequeue> stefan:  hoary?
[08:31] <tck> what packages in hoary refer to sox and docker
[08:31] <stefan> yes
[08:31] <tck> they aren't in synaptic directly
[08:31] <swalker> eyequeue: yeah, I don't think it shouldn't be hard... I've done tons of linux install, just trying out ubuntu since I've done others...
[08:31] <stefan> hoary
[08:31] <eyequeue> stefan:  they say that went away in hoary for some reason
[08:32] <LordGrunt> apokryphos: and that will do what?
[08:32] <bestadvocate> hey dudes
[08:32] <apokryphos> LordGrunt: from there you can reconfigure your x, in which you can specify the refresh rate.
[08:32] <eyequeue> swalker:  ubuntu was originally designed to be gnome-based, but i fould "server" option to be rather light-weight
[08:32] <Spun> Anyone?
[08:32] <LordGrunt> [CX] -sw0rdsavy:  do you have /dev/hdc file? or other than hda one?
[08:32] <stefan> and what can i do?
[08:32] <bestadvocate> anyone know if Gnomebaker is avalable?
[08:32] <_bij_> LinuxJones, is it possible to install the live cd onto hd?
[08:33] <bestadvocate> I cant find it in the repositorys
[08:33] <thoreauputic> bestadvocate: yes, I have it here on warty
[08:33] <Spun> I just installed Ubuntu, I want to change some stuff, Anyone care to help me?
[08:33] <vixus> [CX] -sw0rdsavy: If it had an I/O error, then it isn't really going to appear... try mounting it.
[08:33] <thoreauputic> bestadvocate: are you on warty?
[08:33] <vixus> Spun: Sure.
[08:33] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> LordGrunt, what would i need to mount
[08:33] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> would it be in /etc/fstab?
[08:33] <bestadvocate> thoraeuputic: no hoary,  but I was wondering is that what the progam package is called?
[08:34] <eyequeue> stefan:  can you run nautilus from a terminal?
[08:34] <apokryphos> [CX] -sw0rdsavy: I believe there are instructions on ubuntuguide.org
[08:34] <thoreauputic> ah. It's gnomebaker
[08:34] <ompaul> Spun, it is just no one knows what you want help with
[08:34] <pvh> vixus: Fixed my little problem. sudo ln /usr/lib/libgtkhtml-3.6.so /usr/lib/libgtkhtml-3.6.so.15
[08:34] <kirkan> hey, I just set up mysql and php, but it doesn't seem like php can connect to mysql. Any ideas?
[08:34] <bestadvocate> thoraeuputic: then perhaps its not avalable in hoary
[08:34] <thoreauputic> bestadvocate: you might want to try graveman instead
[08:34] <vixus> pvh: ;D
[08:34] <apokryphos> or k3b is good
[08:35] <stefan> yes
[08:35] <bestadvocate> thoreauputic: I have it, mostly broken.  and the bugs I filed on their website were left unanswered
[08:36] <thoreauputic> bestadvocate: I can give you a link for the warty version
[08:36] <bestadvocate> ok
[08:36] <thoreauputic> bestadvocate: might work, dunno
[08:36] <bestadvocate> actually nm
[08:36] <thoreauputic> http://people.debian.org/~goedson/packages/ubuntu/warty/gnomebaker/releases/i386/
[08:36] <bestadvocate> I have amd64
[08:36] <Bubbling_Zombie> i've just installed java-1.5 sdk from sun
[08:37] <thoreauputic> ah, well.... that's different
[08:37] <Bubbling_Zombie> is it now safe to remove blackdown's?
[08:37] <vixus> What is gnomebaker/k3d
[08:37] <ompaul> thoreauputic,  did we have a conversation about site speed yesterday?
[08:37] <thoreauputic> vixus: CD burner apps
[08:37] <vixus> oh. k
[08:37] <Bubbling_Zombie> vixus, utilities to burn cd's
[08:37] <Bubbling_Zombie> ow :[
[08:38] <stefan> eyequeue: yes, i can
[08:38] <pisuke> heh, I've found this funny pic, maybe some of you will find it funny too -> http://www.alu.ua.es/a/abs15/is_this_loli.jpg
[08:38] <thoreauputic> ompaul: site speed?
[08:38] <factotum> yaaawwnnn...  I hate waiting for file transfers
[08:38] <factotum> damn backups
[08:38] <ompaul> thoreauputic, where some comment was about the ftp for ubuntu being like 3k a second?
[08:38] <kirkan> hey, I just set up mysql and php, but it doesn't seem like php can connect to mysql. Any ideas?
[08:39] <dampjam> kirkan: did you download php-mysql?
[08:39] <JStrike> gnome-app-install crashes on startup because of "unknown locale: en_ZA". Dont know anything about python, but shouldn't this effect my other python apps as well?
[08:39] <factotum> kirkan: might be permissions
[08:39] <thoreauputic> ompaul: vaguely remember something like that, but i wasn't involved
[08:39] <dampjam> kirkan: or rather php4-mysql
[08:39] <erlend_> hello! i use hoary, and i have a problem with getting direct rendering to work. it has worked on a previous installation, but i have recently reinstalled the system. XFree86.log tells me that everything is fine and Direct rendering : Enabled. (I use the i810 chipset driver). however, glxinfo tells me that direct rendering is NOT enabled
[08:39] <ompaul> s/is/was/
[08:40] <kirkan> dampjam, hmm.. I just found php and mysql packages, and isntalled those
[08:41] <oris_wolfbane> anyone in west yorkshire here?
[08:41] <vixus> I take it nVidia doesn't work on hoary.
[08:41] <vixus> :(
[08:41] <factotum> thoreauputic: gnomebaker is quite nice by the way :D
[08:41] <vixus> That means I'm screwed again.
[08:41] <factotum> good suggestion
[08:41] <JStrike> Anyone have any ideas about the python locales issue?
[08:41] <geppy> Is there a totem channel?
[08:41] <thoreauputic> factotum: works well for me
[08:41] <kirkan> dampjam, I can't find any package called php4-mysql...
[08:41] <geppy> Totem is segfaulting on me with a Theora file.
[08:42] <ubuntunoob> hey all.  just trying out the live-cd here.  What is the root password?
[08:42] <kzm> Anybody use a DV-camera over USB???
[08:42] <eyequeue> ubuntunoob:  see  http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[08:42] <djp> thoreauputic: just to let you know that i have ubuntu running beautifully on that old 200mhz 64mb machine utilising fluxbox!
[08:42] <kirkan> I just set up mysql and php, but it doesn't seem like php can connect to mysql. Any ideas?
[08:42] <Chipzz> ubuntunoob: there is none
[08:42] <thoreauputic> ubuntunoob: there isn't one - look for the root terminal
[08:42] <eyequeue> ubuntunoob:  there isn't one
[08:42] <reon> JStrike, no idea
[08:42] <thoreauputic> djp: cool!
[08:42] <ubuntunoob> ah..  ok, thanks all.
[08:42] <vixus> Erm. kirkcan, have you installed them so as they interact (php4-mysql)?
[08:43] <Spun> Anyone care to help me with some "technical" questions?
[08:43] <vixus> Yo. Yo yoyo .
[08:43] <vixus> What the??
[08:43] <reon> Spun, well ask
[08:43] <vixus> Riight.
[08:43] <vixus> Sorry about that gang.
[08:43] <vixus> Spun needs two keymaps at once.
[08:43] <ompaul> su is so 80's
[08:43] <ericf> I did an apt-get dist-upgrade to Hoary, and I can't access my cd-drive: kernel says "hdb: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }". I have no clue what to do, can anybody give me a hint?
[08:43] <vixus> Dutch/American english.
[08:43] <apokryphos> ompaul: :D
[08:43] <thoreauputic> ompaul: haha
[08:44] <Spun> reon: I just installed Ubuntu, And now i want to set my keyboard to the right conf, and maybe change my lilo screen, and ofcourse my deskop and such.
[08:44] <Spun> reon: But i'm a utter n00b.
[08:44] <vixus> ericf: I certainly hope I don't have that problem.
[08:44] <thoreauputic> ompaul: UNIX is so 70s
[08:44] <vixus> ericf: But i probably will.
[08:44] <djp> thoreauputic: only issue i still have to get to the bottom of is the sound... really weird though, the drum sound that you hear when the login screen appears works! completely dead sound when logged in though and still getting the alsactl no sound card message on boot!
[08:44] <ericf> vixus: I don't know, I just dropped in.
[08:45] <ompaul> thoreauputic, na its about euros 50k for a couple of well specked boxen :-/ what I could have done with that money ahh well
[08:45] <geppy> ....odd
[08:45] <geppy> Totem is only segfaulting when I use the JACK pcm device for ALSA;  it's playing back fine with OSS.
[08:46] <geppy> I'll test it with regular ALSA.
[08:46] <ompaul> thoreauputic, however I will grant you epoch rights :)
[08:47] <thoreauputic> ompaul: heh - assembly on a PDP-11 is the way to go ....
[08:47] <thoreauputic> ;-)
[08:47] <ompaul> thoreauputic, now your talkin
[08:47] <kirkan> I just set up mysql and php, but it doesn't seem like php can connect to mysql. Any ideas?
[08:47] <thoreauputic> punch cards on IBM 360 in FORTRAN !
[08:48] <JDahl> let's not make of Fortran
[08:48] <ompaul> thoreauputic, what are you a civil engineer?
[08:48] <JDahl> fun
[08:48] <oris_wolfbane> is ther a way to have more than one sound playing at the same time i.e rythembox playing music but gaim still pinging
[08:48] <thoreauputic> ompaul: no, I'm an artist and ex-photographer :)
[08:48] <eyequeue> 360/370 assembler all the way
[08:48] <hexial> ok i cant figure this out. i'm trying to copy the files to the x11 folder from my desktop, and it says i dont have permission
[08:48] <hexial> someone?
[08:48] <Bubbling_Zombie> do it with sudo
[08:48] <geppy> oris_wolfbane: Yes, many ways.  You could use a soundserver such as ESD, Polypaudio, ARtS, or JACK, or you could use the ALSA dmix plugin.
[08:49] <vixus> Big choice: Should I use xFree86 or xorg?
[08:49] <hexial> gimme a step by step
[08:49] <eyequeue> hexial:  if you need root access, you want to preface the command with sudo
[08:49] <ericf> really nobody with a clue about dmesg saying "hdb: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }"?
[08:49] <hexial> i need a step by step, i'm pretty new to linux/debian
[08:49] <dabi> is it possible to change ubuntu loading to graphical?
[08:49] <eyequeue> hexial:  if you are trying to modify the entire system, not just your account, then you need root access
[08:49] <vixus> X-Free86 or Xorg - Can someone help me choose?
[08:49] <hexial> yes
[08:49] <apokryphos> vixus: simple. Xorg.
[08:49] <vixus> thanks.
[08:49] <Bubbling_Zombie> Xorg
[08:49] <vixus> :D
[08:50] <eyequeue> hexial:  rather than "foo" you type "sudo foo"
[08:50] <dead|shell> xorg
[08:50] <vixus> I got the point ;)
[08:50] <eyequeue> hexial:  rather than "mv" you type "sudo mv"
[08:50] <oris_wolfbane> geppy : thanks ill go look into that now
[08:50] <thoreauputic> hexial: try opening the file in gedit ( sudo gedit /path/to/file )
[08:50] <DarthFrog> Unless xorg doesn't work. :-)
[08:50] <ompaul> ericf, what kind of drive is hdb?
[08:50] <dead|shell> can anyone suggest a nice nvidia card 64 or 128 will do
[08:50] <ericf> ompaul: a cdrom-drive
[08:50] <tck> was using orinoco-0.15rc2 drivers for kismet with warty
[08:50] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> could the guy who was helping me befor
[08:50] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> pls mesg me
[08:50] <tck> what version does hoary require does anyone know ?
[08:51] <Hikaru79> dead|shell, GeForce MX 200 ... I've got one, really old but cheap and effective =D
[08:51] <thoreauputic> hexial: then open the file you want to copy to the same way
[08:51] <geppy> oris_wolfbane:  You know, Ubuntu comes with either ESD or Polypaudio by default, depending upon which version you're using.
[08:51] <Bubbling_Zombie> 6600GT
[08:51] <thoreauputic> hexial: then copy paste
[08:51] <hexial> ok so i type this as root: sudo cp ~/etc/x11/* /mnt/hda/etc/x11/
[08:51] <hexial> while running the live cd
[08:51] <dead|shell> Hikaru79, no probs with linux setup?
[08:51] <hexial> copy and paste doesnt work, i dont have permission
[08:51] <thoreauputic> hexial: not as root
[08:51] <ompaul> ericf, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-2264.html
[08:51] <tizen> tck: Depends: libbz2-1.0, libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libexpat1 (>= 1.95.8), libfreetype6 (>= 2.1.5-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:3.4.1-3), libgmp3, libice6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libjpeg62, liblcms1 (>= 1.08-1), libmagick6, libncurses5 (>= 5.4-1), libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.5.0-4), libsm6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libstdc++5 (>= 1:3.3.4-1), libtiff4, libx11-6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxext6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxml2 (>= 2.6.11), libxt6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), wirele
[08:51] <tizen> ss-tools, ethereal-common
[08:51] <_4strO> mIRC v6.14 Khaled Mardam-Bey
[08:51] <movi> i have a question about wifi
[08:51] <thoreauputic> hexial: sudo for both commands
[08:52] <tizen> tck: is the depends on kismet for hoary
[08:52] <movi> starting warty, and now having hoary
[08:52] <ompaul> ericf, should be a good place to start
[08:52] <movi> i never got a gnome wifi applet
[08:52] <tck> what one did you use ?
[08:52] <vixus> is there a graphical way to see how much disk space I have left?
[08:52] <thoreauputic> hexial: 1) If you open bothe files with  sudo gedit , you have root permissions
[08:52] <movi> all i want is a tiny gnome applet that would show the strenght of my wifi connection
[08:52] <movi> where is it?
[08:52] <Pyre> I don't know movi. They're not connected to IRC.
[08:52] <eyequeue> movi:  the gnome 2.10 release notes cover that
[08:52] <tizen> tck: I don't use it. I just apt-cache'd since i use hoary
[08:52] <thoreauputic> hexial: 2) then copy paste will work
[08:53] <eyequeue> movi:  they took it out in favor of some net tool
[08:53] <movi> eyequeue, ok, will search the docs
[08:53] <vixus> movi: There are loads of monitoring programs (Gkrellm) See if they have a wifi pligin.
[08:53] <Laney> Is w32codecs still there?
[08:53] <vixus> Laney.. .yes
[08:53] <dabi> how can i change ubuntu loading screen to graphical?
[08:53] <amichai> anyone have an epson stylus C44 plus printer?
[08:53] <DarthFrog> ericf: Dod you have a CD in the drive?
[08:53] <Laney> Oh, maybe my sources.list is wrong then
[08:53] <vixus> apokryphos: graphical disk space usage?
[08:54] <vixus> Laney: See ubuntuguide.
[08:54] <ericf> ompaul: thanks, but I don't know what it should tell me... :(
[08:54] <hexial> ok
[08:54] <oris_wolfbane> amichai: i have a C84
[08:54] <tizen> vixus: gkrellm has some sort of wifi plugin
[08:54] <apokryphos> vixus: filelight is good
[08:54] <hexial> i got an error: non of the authentication protocols specidifed are supported and host-based authentication failed
[08:54] <vixus> tizen: Tell movi that.
[08:54] <DarthFrog> filefight rawks!
[08:54] <amichai> oris_wolfbane: got it working?
[08:54] <kirkan> I just set up mysql and php, but it doesn't seem like php can connect to mysql. Any ideas?
[08:54] <tizen> movi: gkrellmwireless - 802.11 wireless link monitor plugin for GKrellM
[08:54] <vixus> filelight/filefight?
[08:54] <amichai> oris_wolfbane: i can't get mine to work
[08:54] <vixus> thar you go
[08:55] <oris_wolfbane> amichai: wot exactly wont work with it?
[08:55] <DarthFrog> vixus: filelight.
[08:55] <apokryphos> vixus: filelight. It's in the repositories; it's great.
[08:55] <ericf> DarthFrog: yes there is, and audio cd. I should have mentioned data-cd's seem to work fine
[08:55] <thoreauputic> hexial: you have the hard drive mounted read/write , right?
[08:55] <vixus> apokryphos: What does it do?
[08:55] <apokryphos> vixus: it's a graphical disk space usage app
[08:55] <hexial> how would i go about doing that
[08:55] <hexial> ?
[08:55] <vixus> apokryphos: Ok, thank.
[08:56] <eyequeue> dabi:  dpkg --purge gdm
[08:56] <DarthFrog> ericf: then the system is trying to read it as a data disk and failing. Can you play the audio CD? If so, just ignore the errors.
[08:56] <thoreauputic> hexial: *sigh* this  is a bit difficult on IRC
[08:56] <kzm> Hmm...anybody using a video camera with Ubuntu?
[08:56] <vixus> kzm: I want to.
[08:56] <apokryphos> hexial: do you not have access to the Internet on the liveCD?
[08:56] <ericf> DarthFrog: No, i can't play it.
[08:56] <thoreauputic> hexial: you are trying to copy from live CD to hard drive, yes?
[08:56] <kzm> vixus: I'm trying to get a sony mini-DV to work over USB.  Not sure if it's possible.
[08:56] <hexial> yes
[08:56] <kzm> what have you tried?
[08:57] <vixus> kzm: Oh... I thought you meant a webcam of some kind.
[08:57] <dabi> eyequeue: yah sure.. :PPP
[08:57] <DarthFrog> ericf: bummer.
[08:57] <vixus> kzm: I'm so lame.
[08:57] <hexial> thoreauputic: yes
[08:57] <ompaul> eric one possible fix http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0007.3/0389.html
[08:57] <eyequeue> dabi:  isn't that what you want?
[08:57] <ericf> DarthFrog: agreed :(
[08:57] <Laney> Is there a ubuntu equiv. of debian's http://packages.debian.org?
[08:57] <DarthFrog> ericf: Try another CD?
[08:57] <movi> kzm: you cant get DV thru dvd
[08:57] <movi> err USB
[08:57] <kzm> Can't?
[08:57] <dabi> eyequeue: I want grphical loading screen..
[08:57] <eyequeue> Laney:  apt-cache, but no
[08:57] <kzm> What does jog/shuttle mean?
[08:57] <movi> well, i never saw a driver for all the IEEE crap thru USB
[08:57] <thoreauputic> hexial: can you not copy the file you want onto a server (eg a pastebin or your own site ?)
[08:57] <vixus> kzm: Haven't tried yetr
[08:58] <oris_wolfbane> amichai: my printer wasnt detected either but all i did was using the printign dialog just say add a new printer by port and say usb and then select the rite driver that worked 4 me
[08:58] <kzm> IEE1394 =/= USB, okay.
[08:58] <eyequeue> dabi:  i thought you wanted to get rid of graphical
[08:58] <movi> kzm: get a firewire controller, its cheap and youll save yourself a lot of trouble
[08:58] <thoreauputic> hexial: then get it when you have your hard drive install running?
[08:58] <DarthFrog> IEE1394 = Firewire.
[08:58] <movi> kzm: Firewire is NOT USB2
[08:58] <eyequeue> dabi:  gdm is graphical
[08:58] <kzm> (I borrowed the camera, and I only got the USB cable with it.  NOt the FW/DV/1394 one)
[08:58] <vixus> kzm: That's right.
[08:58] <dabi> eyequeue: not the login.. the loading..
[08:59] <movi> kzm: you need one then
[08:59] <ericf> DarthFrog: I did, but without any success
[08:59] <hexial> ok. i'm on the live cd on an inspiron 8000 that has ubuntu instaled to the hard drive. i have display problems on the hard drive install, but not on the live cd. i'm trying to copy my x11 folder from the live cd onto my hard drive
[08:59] <vixus> Why does hoary come with around 5 text editors ^_^
[08:59] <eyequeue> dabi:  i don't follow
[08:59] <LordGrunt> what was the gnome package manager name?
[08:59] <vixus> kzm: Have you got a video editing program?
[08:59] <dabi> eyequeue: when i boot up.. the loading of ubuntu.. when ubuntu starts..
[08:59] <kzm> So - USB is no go?  (Damn - I even have a FW port, but not the cable)
[08:59] <eyequeue> vixus:  because coders like to code editors
[08:59] <kzm> Got "kino"
[08:59] <vixus> eyequeue: Ah.
[08:59] <eyequeue> dabi:  oh. no
[08:59] <ompaul> vixus, well of the thousand or so out there you got a pretty good selection
[08:59] <sihen> hello all
[08:59] <kzm> (whatever is on apt-get)
[09:00] <vixus> USB should work... ksm.
[09:00] <dabi> eyequeue: isnt possible?
[09:00] <eyequeue> dabi:  right
[09:00] <kzm> well - I gotta go, my house is on fire.  Later, and thanks.
[09:00] <vixus> kzm: But there needs to be a way for the camera to get detected/installed.
[09:00] <DarthFrog> ericf: Sorry, I'm out of suggestions. That the drive reads data CDs oK, is encouraging. At this point, I'd be spending time on Google, researching the issue. Then maybe file a bug report.
[09:00] <dabi> eyequeue:  :S rare..
[09:00] <sihen> Could someone possible help me out with gettign my SATA mounted, I know there is a problem because I installed a mates machine last night and got his SATA drives mounted fine but I cant get mine to.
[09:00] <vixus> kzm: K... use an extringuisher
[09:00] <eyequeue> dabi:  rare?  does debian have what you are looking for?
[09:01] <movi> kzm: unless kino has some direct-access to the USB dev its technically impossible for it to get a DV Type1/2 stream over it
[09:01] <ericf> DarthFrog: well, you're right. I thank you for your time.
[09:01] <dabi> eyequeue:  never used ubuntu before.. only mdk and suse..
[09:01] <movi> and that's what kino is expecting
[09:01] <DarthFrog> ericf: Sorry I couldn't be more help.
[09:02] <DarthFrog> dabi: I'm a long time Mandrake user who is seriously considering the switch to Ubuntu.
[09:02] <eyequeue> dabi:  ah, i tend to stay away from rpm-based distros
[09:02] <movi> ha!
[09:02] <zenrox> DarthFrog,  ubuntu is what you want
[09:02] <movi> the ubuntu gnome-applets binary deb is simply starvated
[09:02] <zenrox> i switched from mdk
[09:02] <vixus> dabi: Yeah, the debian based distros are much better.
[09:02] <ompaul> DarthFrog, it is not that you want ubuntu it is that you need it :)
[09:03] <dabi> yah.. noticed that after first 10 min of using ubuntu :)
[09:03] <oris_wolfbane> DarthFrog: i used to be MDK and tryed out ubuntu so i had proof that it was crap but i loved it
[09:03] <vixus> DarthFrog: SWITCH!
[09:03] <thoreauputic> hexial: I'm not familiar with the ubuntu live cd - does it show an icon on the desktop for your hard drive? if so, you can probably change the permissions to read write
[09:03] <movi> ubuntu deb package has: geyes, gweather, batstat, minicommander and two more
[09:03] <hexial> it does
[09:03] <thoreauputic> hexial: at least, knoppix works that way
[09:03] <sihen> hi vixus :)
[09:03] <movi> the source package however has more (including my damn wireless)
[09:03] <vixus> sihen: Hello...
[09:03] <sihen> possible you could help me out dude?
[09:04] <vixus> sihen: k,
[09:04] <DarthFrog> ompaul: Now that there is the KDE desktop available for Ubuntu, I'm coming to that opinion.  I'm getting rather tired of Mandrake's Club orientation.
[09:04] <ompaul> DarthFrog, you said KDE there is more to learn :)
[09:04] <thoreauputic> hexial: try right click on the icon, and change the permissions to read/write
[09:04] <SidDithersL> can someone here PLEASE help me with wpa_supplicant? I have it installed but i cant get it to work with my network no matter how hard I try
[09:04] <vixus> sihen: Problem?
[09:04] <SidDithersL> and I have to have it ready for school tomorrow :/
[09:04] <bestadvocate> nice new default wallpaper
[09:04] <eyequeue> SidDithersL:  never used it, sorry
[09:04] <SidDithersL> :/
[09:05] <sihen> vixus,  Could someone possible help me out with gettign my SATA mounted, I know there is a problem because I installed a mates machine last night and got his SATA drives mounted fine but I cant get mine to.
[09:05] <vixus> SidDithersL: How come for school?
[09:05] <hexial> i am unable to change permisions cause i'm not the owner
[09:05] <hexial> thats what it says
[09:05] <vixus> sihen: Any error messages?
[09:05] <thoreauputic> hexial: :(
[09:05] <hexial> yea
[09:05] <hexial> i'm feeling that
[09:05] <SidDithersL> we need it for school, and the schools networks are WPA-PSK
[09:05] <sihen> vixus, nothing just doesnt find snd in /dev... i dont seem to have it
[09:05] <SidDithersL> and naturally wpa_supplicant refuses to work and I dont know how to fix it :(
[09:06] <reon> .
[09:06] <DarthFrog> SidDithersL: What is wpa_supplicant?
[09:06] <vixus> Upgraded to hoary!!! But: Errors were encountered while processing: mozilla-firefox yelp | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[09:06] <SidDithersL> it allows you to use wpa securtiy on your wireless card
[09:06] <vixus> Damn mozilla-firefox
[09:06] <vixus> Why won't it install for me?!!!
[09:06] <SidDithersL> but for the love of god I've been working on it for two straight days and I still cant get it to work :(
[09:06] <thoreauputic> hexial: try in a root terminal,  mount /dev/hda1 /mnt   (or whatever the drive is /dev/hd* )
[09:07] <DarthFrog> vixus: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:07] <vixus> DarthFrog: What do you think I have been doing?
[09:07] <DarthFrog> vixus: :-)  Having fun? (grining, ducking and running)
[09:07] <hexial> hmm hold on
[09:08] <sihen> vixus, any idea?
[09:08] <sihen> djp, you there?
[09:08] <vixus> sihen: Nope... having my own problems right now.
[09:08] <sihen> ok ta
[09:08] <vixus> *thud*
[09:09] <SidDithersL> thank you so much
[09:09] <SidDithersL> I hope you can help me I really need it :/
[09:10] <vixus> what the hey: Running from a disk image on MacOS X is not recommended.
[09:11] <_4strO> cs time ... ++
[09:12] <DarthFrog> SidDithersL: What chipset?  WPA-PSK or WPA-EAP?
[09:12] <SidDithersL> WPA-PSK
[09:13] <Echylo> how to edit the menu's in hoary?
[09:13] <DarthFrog> SidDithersL: Is wpa_supplicant starting before bringing up the network?
[09:13] <SidDithersL> it might be, I dont know. Is there a way I can find out?
[09:13] <DarthFrog> SidDithersL: It has to be.   Check the init scripts.
[09:14] <Echylo> how to edit the menu's in hoary? :)
[09:14] <thoreauputic> Echylo: with great difficulty, it would seem
[09:14] <kirkan> I just set up mysql and php, but it doesn't seem like php can connect to mysql. Any ideas?
[09:14] <SidDithersL> DarthFrog, theres a wpa_suppliment.conf in there
[09:14] <Echylo> drawing on my monitor with a pencil isn't that helpfull
[09:14] <thoreauputic> Echylo: haha
[09:14] <Echylo> :p
[09:15] <oris_wolfbane> thoreauputic: thats not good news :(
[09:15] <SidDithersL> but thats all I could find in the init.d directory related to wpa_supplicant
[09:15] <movi> Echylo: try a marker
[09:15] <Echylo> k
[09:15] <Echylo> thanks!
[09:15] <thoreauputic> Echylo: I believe "they" are working on it...
[09:15] <movi> no prob ;)
[09:15] <Echylo> uhu
[09:15] <DarthFrog> SidDithersL: Hmm.  What's in the conf file?
[09:15] <thoreauputic> post-it notes perhaps....
[09:16] <oris_wolfbane> dry wipe markers mite be better
[09:16] <Echylo> hey quit it :p my screen is full of pencil & markers now :P
[09:16] <DarthFrog> SidDithersL: Do a "which wpa_supplicant" command from a shell.
[09:16] <vixus> HELP! Setting up mozilla-firefox (1.0+dfsg.1-6ubuntu1) ...Updating mozilla-firefox chrome registry...E: /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/extensions/installed-extensions.txt still present. Registration might have gone wrong. | mv: cannot stat `/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/defaults.ini': No such file or directory | dpkg: error processing mozilla-firefox (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 | E
[09:16] <vixus> rrors were encountered while processing: mozilla-firefox | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[09:16] <ompaul> thoreauputic, that is what is used for editing the menu
[09:17] <vixus> This has been happening to me all day.
[09:17] <thoreauputic> ompaul: ah, i see
[09:17] <vixus> Will someone please help?
[09:17] <SidDithersL> http://www.pastebin.com/255092
[09:17] <SidDithersL> ok
[09:17] <SidDithersL> it says usr/bin/wpa_supplicant
[09:17] <vixus> And I can't access pastebin -_-
[09:17] <ompaul> thoreauputic, found in applications system tools - it takes an age to launch
[09:17] <SidDithersL> when I do the which command
[09:18] <DarthFrog> SidDithersL: Are the contents of the wpa_supplicant.conf file correct for your system?
[09:18] <thoreauputic> ompaul: and  does one need ubergeek powers to use it?
[09:18] <SidDithersL> it seems like it is
[09:18] <SidDithersL> ill post it one sec
[09:18] <vixus> Anyone>
[09:18] <ompaul> thoreauputic, it launched for me let me use it :)
[09:18] <ompaul> I wonder what I will add to where :)
[09:18] <Lemonzest> does bunty work with cool and quite on amd64's?
[09:19] <movi> FINALLY :D
[09:19] <movi> i ahev the applet
[09:19] <thoreauputic> ompaul: /usr/bin/gnome-is-fubar ?
[09:19] <vixus> I cannot surf the web!
[09:20] <vixus> Without... firefox
[09:20] <vixus> or something.
[09:20] <vixus> >:|
[09:20] <socomm> vixus: Huh?
[09:20] <vixus> Can anyone help me?
[09:20] <ompaul> thoreauputic, it acted the *** when I tried to use it
[09:20] <vixus> socomm: Firefox won't install for me.
[09:20] <shadeofgrey> dors anybody know if the latest update for openoffice is available thru the apt-get update system yet?
[09:20] <shadeofgrey> hey thore
[09:21] <socomm> vixus: Via apt-get/synaptic?
[09:21] <ompaul> thoreauputic, it fired up synaptic :-/
[09:21] <shadeofgrey> hows it going bro?
[09:21] <vixus> socomm: Yes.
[09:21] <vixus> socomm won't install
[09:21] <Sionide> tried just downloading the binary from getfirefox ?
[09:21] <eruin> and why won't it install?
[09:21] <socomm> vixus: What error does apt-get return?
[09:21] <SidDithersL> DarthFrog: http://www.pastebin.com/255094
[09:21] <Sionide> i managed it and i'm a total noob..
[09:21] <SidDithersL> thats what my conf is setup like
[09:21] <Sionide> unless there's some other problem or something
[09:22] <thoreauputic> ompaul: let me get this straight - the *menu editor* started synaptic ???
[09:22] <bestadvocate> darnit I wish mono would install
[09:22] <eruin> apt-get install mono works here :P
[09:22] <ompaul> well so it appears
[09:22] <bestadvocate> yah you dont have a 64 bit processor then :(
[09:22] <eruin> thats true ;9
[09:22] <ompaul> thoreauputic, let me step back a level and start again
[09:22] <thoreauputic> ompaul: that's brain-damaged...
[09:22] <bestadvocate> lol
[09:23] <vixus> How come when I updated to hoary, half the stuff disappeared from my configuration menus?>
[09:23] <vixus> AND all the icons from the main menu have gone.
[09:23] <bestadvocate> beats me.  hey does anyone else have an Applications:/// menu missing?
[09:23] <socomm> vixus: `apt-get dist-upgrade'
[09:23] <DarthFrog> SidDithersL: The O'Reilly book doesn't mention proto or scan_ssid as being options for that file.
[09:24] <socomm> vixus: Is that the command you upgraded with?
[09:24] <vixus> socomm: Yes.
[09:24] <ompaul> thoreauputic, I am brain damaged it is package under  appliations-> system -> add/remove programs :) ohh well
[09:24] <SidDithersL> thats what it said to use on the install wiki, but I DarthFrog I tried it without them with the same result :/
[09:24] <DarthFrog> SidDithersL: What interface is the wireless card using?
[09:24] <vixus> socomm: Any solution?
[09:24] <thoreauputic> ompaul: and does *that* work?
[09:25] <SidDithersL> interface?
[09:25] <SidDithersL> lemme pull up the file
[09:25] <thoreauputic> ompaul: oh, i see, sorry
[09:25] <DarthFrog> SidDithersL: wlan0?  ath0? eth0?
[09:25] <SidDithersL> wlan0
[09:26] <ompaul> thoreauputic, I am using it to install dia now I will say if it gets onto the menu
[09:26] <thoreauputic> bestadvocate: they don't want you messing with their nice menu ;-)
[09:26] <SidDithersL> DarthFrog: http://www.pastebin.com/255102
[09:27] <bestadvocate> thoreauputic: here and I was thinking the other way around :)
[09:27] <vixus> Wow... gnome crashed.
[09:27] <thoreauputic> editing menus in GNOME has been a pain ever since about 2.2
[09:27] <bestadvocate> I need some way to get rid of a few bad options
[09:27] <DarthFrog> SidDithersL: OK, from the book, try this:
[09:27] <DarthFrog> ifconfig wlan0 down
[09:27] <DarthFrog> /path/to/wpa_supplicant -Bw -c/path/to/wpa_supplicant.conf -iwlan0
[09:27] <DarthFrog> ifconfig wlan0 up
[09:28] <bestadvocate> thoreauputic is there any way to do it without applications:/// folder access via nauti?
[09:28] <SidDithersL> path/to is normal?
[09:28] <SidDithersL> i should leave it like that? O_O
[09:28] <DarthFrog> SidDithersL: No, replace it with the correct paths.
[09:28] <Hikaru79> bestadvocate, does applications:/// still exist in hoary? =/ I thought it didn't
[09:29] <raydogg> what can i use to open .rar archives in ubuntu
[09:29] <thoreauputic> bestadvocate: my understanding is they want you to use vi and make .desktop files, or something equally idiotic
[09:29] <bestadvocate> hikaru79: exactly
[09:29] <Hikaru79> Aah
[09:29] <thoreauputic> anyone who knows better please correct me :)
[09:29] <Hikaru79> :( So why'd they take out applications:///
[09:29] <Hikaru79> ?
[09:29] <bestadvocate> thoreauputic: oh dear god. is there somewhere this is written up already?
[09:29] <Hikaru79> And who's "they"? Ubuntu team or GNOME?
[09:29] <SidDithersL> ok I added that
[09:30] <ompaul> thoreauputic, so it works in that it added dia to the my live CD - now this is interesting in so far as it only has a limited set of packages it can add onto the menu - I guess it in is insuring a level of `gnome-ness` and we can create any thing we want and created a link on the panel for it but not in the menu system as far as I can see
[09:30] <SidDithersL> im gonna disconnect for a second so here goes
[09:30] <thoreauputic> Hikaru79: that I don't know
[09:30] <bestadvocate> Kikaru79: prefrences:/// is gone too
[09:30] <Hikaru79> ><
[09:30] <Hikaru79> Maybe this'll be fixed by the final release?
[09:30] <thoreauputic> I gather there is some attempt to do something rational about this debacle, however
[09:30] <eruin> anyone know where I can set compileflags systemwide?
[09:30] <eruin> ala gentoo?
[09:31] <aule> hello all
[09:31] <aule> :)
[09:31] <clx> hi
[09:31] <thoreauputic> ompaul: dia-gnome should be added by default anyway
[09:31] <aule> im going to start using ubuntu as soon as i finish dling it
[09:31] <aule> but last time
[09:31] <ompaul> thoreauputic,  it was and it did
[09:32] <aule> i tried to burn the image, but it errored out at the beginning of install
[09:32] <aule> saying something about a file not being there
[09:32] <ompaul> thoreauputic, it is not in the live distro
[09:33] <thoreauputic> ompaul: I don't know where the idea to scrap the debian menu came from, but whoever had it should have suggested a sane alternative
[09:33] <bestadvocate> thoreauputic: this has quite a bit to do with an article I read recently http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=9933
[09:34] <ompaul> it is still loading lists :)
[09:34] <thoreauputic> bestadvocate: looking
[09:34] <shadeofgrey> hey guys listen
[09:34] <shadeofgrey> two things that i need a lot of help with right now.
[09:35] <bestadvocate> although the author of that article whinning too much
[09:35] <shadeofgrey> 1) I NEED to update my verssion of openoffice for linux to the 2.0 beta version today
[09:35] <reon> how do you change the default language in Ubuntu Warty ???
[09:35] <thoreauputic> bestadvocate: that site is a magnet for trolls and whiners
[09:35] <bestadvocate> ahh
[09:36] <DarthFrog> ompaul: What is rhythmbox?
[09:36] <oris_wolfbane> DarthFrog: rythembox is the default media player in ubuntu
[09:36] <shadeofgrey> 2) I really need as much help as possible with figuring out why a favorite text editor of mine is not using any of the default font locations to populate the list of available fonts it uses
[09:36] <bestadvocate> oris_wolfbane: if media=audio media
[09:37] <DarthFrog> oris_wolfbane: Gotcha.   I use either kaffeine or amaroK.
[09:37] <shadeofgrey> ive tried just about everything i can think ofg
[09:37] <gsuveg|hl> re
[09:37] <shadeofgrey> does anybody have a few minutes to spend one on one with me so that i can get all this sorted out?
[09:37] <shadeofgrey> im under serious pressure to get a manuscript finished and off to a potential publisher by tuedayafternoon
[09:38] <thoreauputic> bestadvocate: I've seen some commentary on that article - I think Eugenia has a point, but she quoted people out of context
[09:38] <gsuveg|hl> i have problem with wine, yesterday was work fine, but today not. i cant install same program, today. any idea ?
[09:38] <shadeofgrey> and that means i NEED to get editpad pro functioning... im 175 pages behind and HAVE to make the tuiesday deadline
[09:38] <LinuxJones> shadeofgrey, download the OO.o beta and install it in your home dir.
[09:38] <shadeofgrey> or i can kiss my publishing hhopes goodbye
[09:38] <Billy> hello, i have a P3 800MHz and wondering what kind of desktop you guys would recommend?
[09:38] <shadeofgrey> Billy: gnome!
[09:38] <DarthFrog> shadeofgrey: If I were you, under those constraints, I'd say "Screw it" and use what's working now.
[09:39] <gsuveg|hl> with cxoffice same :(
[09:39] <Billy> it is not a resource hog?
[09:39] <shadeofgrey> okay
[09:39] <shadeofgrey> well
[09:39] <bestadvocate> Billy: ubuntu should work fine
[09:39] <Billy> i have ubuntu on
[09:39] <shadeofgrey> theres a problem because neither are working properly
[09:39] <Billy> I also looking for media player
[09:39] <shadeofgrey> i upgraded my windows version of openoffice to the 2.0 beta and for some reason it creates file typpes that the older versions cant decode properly
[09:39] <shadeofgrey> so my major question is this -
[09:40] <shadeofgrey> how do i properly upgrade the version of openoffice i have running under ubuntu?
[09:40] <bestadvocate> Billy: BeepMediaPlayer or Rhythmbox
[09:40] <DarthFrog> shadeofgrey: Then boot into Windows and get your job done!  Stop screwing around needlessly with software problems.
[09:40] <Billy> Thank u
[09:40] <oris_wolfbane> shadeofgray: the new version of oo.o uses a new file format that is being adopted by many new document writers, using 2.o you can still save in the old format
[09:40] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: oh, is it using the OASIS formats already?
[09:40] <LinuxJones> shadeofgrey, you can check out apt-get.org or search google and hope that someone has created a .deb
[09:41] <Billy> Do both of these support WMV file format?
[09:41] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: can't they be converted to sxw or whatever?
[09:41] <DarthFrog> thoreauputic: YEs, OO.o is now OASIS.
[09:41] <LinuxJones> shadeofgrey, let me have a look around
[09:42] <thoreauputic> DarthFrog: surely the OASIS stuff is convertible to sxw etc?
[09:42] <jony> hi
[09:42] <DarthFrog> thoreauputic: Oh, no doubt it is.  But not from version 1.1. :-)
[09:42] <jony> how con i use .deb packages (what is the command?)?
[09:43] <SiRrUs> shadeofgrey why not just d/l the beta and compile it
[09:43] <ompaul> thoreauputic, I think what we have here is a case of all software sux some software sux more than other software :-/
[09:43] <Billy> XINE media player is a good choice?
[09:43] <HiddenWolf> thoreauputic: If you find out a way, let me know
[09:43] <thoreauputic> so why can't shadeofgrey convert his stuff on the newer program to th eold format?
[09:43] <jony> how con i use .deb packages (what is the command?)?
[09:43] <LinuxJones> shadeofgrey, why doesn't the Linux version from the OpenOffice website work again ?
[09:44] <oris_wolfbane> Billly: go for rythembox
[09:44] <Billy> K
[09:44] <Billy> thank u oris
[09:44] <DarthFrog> thoreauputic: Because he has Open Office 2.0 installed in Windows and he wants to work in Linux.
[09:45] <jony> plz help me with this! : (
[09:45] <Billy> Which Version?
[09:45] <shadeofgrey> if you guys think that updating to 2.0 on linux WITHOUT apt-get would be needlessly messy ill just bite the bullet and develop under windows until apt-get is updated
[09:45] <thoreauputic> sounds like the OOo people are shooting themselves in the foot...
[09:45] <shadeofgrey> i guess i really have no choice
[09:45] <hone> thoreauputic: ?
[09:45] <shadeofgrey> so whats the consensus
[09:45] <jony> shadeofgray can you tell me how to install a deb package?
[09:45] <reon> how do you boot warty without starting X ???
[09:46] <oris_wolfbane> thoreauputic: i think its its a case o the lesser of two evils
[09:46] <ompaul> it works :)
[09:46] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: if there's a linux binary you can install that without breaking anything
[09:46] <shadeofgrey> jony: im the wrong person to ask, but usuyally you just type "apt-get install <package name>"
[09:46] <LinuxJones> shadeofgrey, you can install it directly to your /home directory. You can then run it from there.
[09:46] <firdel> thoreauputic, im getting theese anoying system hangs again... did a clean hoary install. im thinking it could be my ram modules.. some old shit. is there a program i can use to stress my ram ?
[09:46] <hone> reon: init 1?
[09:47] <shadeofgrey> jony: i think you'll need root priovledges with most packages so be sure to sudo
[09:47] <solomarv> firdel. what about memtest at boot?
[09:47] <hone> firdel: isn't ther ea mem test on boot?
[09:47] <LinuxJones> shadeofgrey, >> http://download.openoffice.org/2.0beta/index.html
[09:47] <hone> firdel: well in grub
[09:47] <DarthFrog> shadeofgrey: OpenOffice 2.0 is a beta.  I didn't see it available as a deb file, so it won't be apt-gettable.
[09:47] <reon> hone, issue is a warty install of which the refresh rates were chaged and now you just get a black screen. need a command line to edit x config
[09:47] <spiderworm> hey all i just installed ubuntu on my laptop, the refresh rates appear to be wrong because when it tries to start up gdm the screen goes funky, how do i go about figuring out the correct refresh rates?
[09:47] <hone> reon: could always boot single
[09:47] <jony> shadeofgrey,  says it cant find the package (i do have root priv)
[09:48] <shadeofgrey> okay screw it... ill just use windows until further notice
[09:48] <thoreauputic> firdel: memtest86+  ?
[09:48] <hone> reon: that'll give you command
[09:48] <reon> hone, you are loosing me here.
[09:48] <Seq> DarthFrog: openoffice 2.0 beta is in hoary if you or whomever was curious is using thatr
[09:48] <thoreauputic> firdel: that's in the repos
[09:48] <reon> what is boot single ?
[09:48] <hone> reon: you know when grub loads up
[09:48] <hone> reon: you can edit the boot line?
[09:48] <reon> hone, yes
[09:48] <shadeofgrey> im running hoary
[09:48] <hone> reon: well if you append single
[09:48] <hone> reon: at the end it should boot into recovery/rescue mode
[09:48] <DarthFrog> Urk!  The download of the Linux versionof Open Office 2.0 is only RPMs.
[09:48] <hone> reon: so it doesn't load everything, just enough to get you to the cli
[09:48] <firdel> ok fanx
[09:49] <hone> reon: or there's the (recovery) options, those usually  boot into cli
[09:49] <jony> thoreauputic, can you tell me how to install a deb pkg i just downloaded ???
[09:49] <shadeofgrey> and thanks guys for all your help
[09:49] <thoreauputic> DarthFrog: that's truly idiotic....
[09:49] <shadeofgrey> id be lost without you all.
[09:49] <reon> hone, where does init l come into play ?
[09:49] <SidDithersL> DarthFrog, no luck :(
[09:49] <hone> reon: mmm dunno, if you made it init 1
[09:49] <hone> reon: it would go to cli
[09:49] <SidDithersL> it still doesnt work and I dont know what to do :(
[09:49] <ompaul> DarthFrog, there is a package that converts RPMs to deb - I can't remember but I am sure a smart apt-cache search idea_foo would get it
[09:50] <hone> reon: liek init 6 is shutdown
[09:50] <firdel> thanks again thoreauputic
[09:50] <shadeofgrey> everybody take care - i have shit loads of writing to do so ill catch everybody on the flipside
[09:50] <reon> hone, i will try the recovery procedure, hope it boots to cli so i can edit the file
[09:50] <shadeofgrey> peace and chicken grease
[09:50] <thoreauputic> ompaul: alien
[09:50] <quarupt> ompaul, its called alien
[09:50] <Seq> jony: dpkg -i your.deb
[09:50] <hone> reon: I know it does
[09:50] <hone> reon: if not come back here
[09:51] <ompaul> shades quit and the answer was there :-)
[09:51] <hone> reon: I should be around, there's the single thing too
[09:51] <DarthFrog> ompaul: the package is alien
[09:51] <hone> reon: I think they're the same though
[09:51] <hone> reon: at least it worked in debian
[09:51] <jony> Seq, xcelent thanx! : D
[09:51] <DarthFrog> SidDithersL: Hmm.  What happened?
[09:51] <ompaul> DarthFrog, well there you go then, never be annoyed by a pesky rpm again:0
[09:52] <reon> hone, thanks, for someone else, will ask them to try it
[09:52] <hone> reon: yeah np
[09:52] <Crane_UT2k4> hello
[09:52] <thoreauputic> ompaul: alien is a bit of a lucky dip
[09:52] <spiral> hi
[09:52] <ompaul> thoreauputic, rpms are more likely the problem :)
[09:52] <thoreauputic> ompaul: sometimes it fails spectacularly
[09:53] <Seq> can somebody help me with a cpu utilization issue with (i assume) gamin? Whenever i'm writing large files, gam_server uses as much cpu as it can
[09:53] <spiderworm> can somebody help me figure out my refresh/sync rate problem/
[09:53] <thoreauputic> ompaul: yes, that's right, it's the rpm that causes the failure
[09:53] <DarthFrog> ompaul: That's well, fine and good when it works.  :-)  I've used alien in the past, with other Debian systems.  It doesn't always work.   However, the beta of Open Office.org 2.0 is available in hoary as openoffice.org2
[09:53] <ompaul> ahh
[09:53] <quarupt> do   alien --to-deb ./file.deb
[09:53] <FC-tooki> ve, este colao aca :P
[09:54] <quarupt> err file.rpm
[09:54] <apokryphos> (though the option there isn't necessary, as it is the default)
[09:54] <xxenon> any hoary user can try : "apt-get install nautilus-media" ? does that work ?
[09:54] <thoreauputic> quarupt: the --to-deb is redundant: it's the default anyway
[09:55] <apokryphos> xxenon: fails
[09:55] <apokryphos> unmet dependencies
[09:55] <SidDithersL> DarthFrog, its just not connecting to my ssid, and it wont accept my key
[09:55] <SidDithersL> If I could get iwconfig to show that it was connected to my ssid everything would be fine, i presume
[09:55] <quarupt> thoreauputic, Um no if you just do alien file.rpm it wont work, I just tried it
[09:55] <xxenon> apokryphos - ok. good.
[09:55] <apokryphos> quarupt: man alien
[09:56] <quarupt> apokryphos, i have thats how i found out to use the --to-deb
[09:56] <thoreauputic> quarupt: well, interesting, because I've done it that way in the past with success...
[09:56] <quarupt> I doubt it
[09:56] <quarupt> or your using an old version
[09:56] <thoreauputic> hmm... Ok I might have forgotten, sorry
[09:57] <DarthFrog> SidDithersL: Why not just use WEP?
[09:57] <apokryphos> quarupt: have you not read the man? "Make debian packages. This is the default."
[09:57] <apokryphos> quarupt: works fine for me, just generated a deb.
[09:57] <quarupt> well not in my version
[09:57] <quarupt> the latest
[09:57] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: yes, that was what I thought too...
[09:58] <apokryphos> quarupt: as is mine.
[09:58] <quarupt> Doesn't matter whatever works
[09:58] <thoreauputic> quarupt: what does da man say for yours? Mine says the same as apokryphos's
[09:59] <quarupt> Most of the time it doesnt work for me anyways cause of ARCH probs
[09:59] <dabi> i cant use realplayer 10.. :S
[09:59] <dabi> (realplay.bin:10230): Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library.
[09:59] <dabi>         Using the fallback 'C' locale.
[10:00] <sysfail> Could not resolve '.archive.ubuntu.com'  <[10:00] <thoreauputic> dabi: and it won't run?
[10:00] <dabi> nope..
[10:00] <thoreauputic> dabi: I've seen that error, and it still runs...
[10:00] <dabi> hmm i typed realplay in console and got that..
[10:00] <dabi> and it stays there..
[10:01] <thoreauputic> sysfail: apparently, yes
[10:01] <dabi> any ideas?
[10:01] <msg43> hi
[10:01] <msg43> does any one use ndiswrapper?
[10:02] <SidDithersL> too insecure
[10:02] <SidDithersL> brb tho
[10:02] <thoreauputic> sysfail: archive.ubuntu.com is pingable from here
[10:02] <msg43> does any one use ndiswrapper?
[10:02] <quarupt> what is ndiswrapper?
[10:02] <dabi> what was the name of the codec package for kaffeine what supports realstream?
[10:03] <thoreauputic> msg43: no need to repeat
[10:03] <quarupt> everyone is allways asking about it, and i don't know what it is
[10:03] <Utnubu> Hello
[10:03] <dabi> or codec for xine
[10:03] <msg43> I just stressed out
[10:03] <hone> quarupt: it's a wrapper for windows network drivers
[10:03] <msg43> slackware aint no good for me
[10:03] <hone> msg43: what's your problem?
[10:03] <thoreauputic> quarupt: it allows use of windows wireless modules
[10:03] <quarupt> oh ok
[10:04] <msg43> hone, the last few times I tried ubuntu I couldn't get ndiswrapper to work
[10:04] <hone> quarupt: a lot of wireless cards don't have native linux drivers, so people ahve written a wrapper to use a lot of window drivers to get them to work in linux
[10:04] <hone> msg43: I've had assorted problems w/ ndiswrapper in ubuntu and debian, so shoot
[10:04] <quarupt> ok thx
[10:04] <hone> msg43: don't know how much help I can be though, so I don't have a box in front of me I'm working on with ndiswrapper
[10:05] <Utnubu> I am setting up an pc with ubuntu. At the moment I wonder if there is a comfortable way to set up an analog modem. I used pppconfig to configure the provider but now I am stuck. Is there an ubuntu way?
[10:05] <hone> msg43: got a centrino chipset myself
[10:05] <msg43> hone, have you got it working?
[10:05] <thoreauputic> now if someone could come up with wrappers/drivers for mac airport extreme...
[10:05] <Utnubu> When using wvdial it complains about missing /dev/modem
[10:05] <eyequeue> what is the password for the default user on the hoary livecd?
[10:05] <hone> thoreauputic: yeah, wouldn't it be nice?
[10:06] <hone> msg43: I got it working on my WG511 and MA521
[10:06] <hone> msg43: then my motherboard went to shit
[10:06] <thoreauputic> Utnubu: are you in the dip group? ( type  groups in a terminal to see )
[10:06] <hone> thoreauputic: I almost bought a powerbook until I learned there are no nvidia drivers released for ppc linux and no airport extreme drivers
[10:06] <thoreauputic> dip and dialout
[10:06] <eyequeue> anyone?  i need the user psasword to be able to gksudo
[10:06] <thoreauputic> hone: I have an iBook G4
[10:07] <andrewski> eyequeue: maybe no password?
[10:07] <thoreauputic> hone: running Ubuntu
[10:07] <Utnubu> thoreauputic: No. Sorry, I am using gaim and I have no idea how to open a terminal in gaim ... sorry
[10:07] <msg43> hone, I got to the point to load the module but then I couldn't load the net ocnnect
[10:07] <dabi> where can i find cook.so.6.0 codec for ubuntu?
[10:07] <Utnubu> thoreauputic: Sorry, now I understand. I tried as root,
[10:07] <hone> thoreauputic: is there wireless on it?  well I got a thinkpad x31 and I'm pretty damn happy with it
[10:07] <thoreauputic> Utnubu: heh - right click the desktop and choose open terminal
[10:08] <hone> msg43: net  connect
[10:08] <hone> msg43: ???
[10:08] <quarupt> wishes theres was something to play Real Media, on AMD64
[10:08] <thoreauputic> hone: there's airport extreme on it - of course not Linux supported
[10:08] <msg43> like for slack the commands dhcpcd wlan0
[10:08] <hone> quarupt: mplayer?
[10:08] <eb0x> How do i install the Java2TM Runtime Environment
[10:08] <hone> thoreauputic: yeah, I wanted to be able to use wireless in linux
[10:08] <quarupt> hone, i dont think mplayer does real video streaming
[10:08] <Utnubu> Terminal is open, I allready made an "sudo bash"
[10:08] <hone> quarupt: mmm no idea
[10:09] <thoreauputic> Utnubu: NO - as user
[10:09] <quarupt> and aparently there is no Real or helix player for AMD64
[10:09] <Utnubu> Ok, I am not in dip and dailout, Ill add myself to those groups
[10:09] <thoreauputic> Utnubu: I'm trying to find out if your USER is in the dip group
[10:09] <HiddenWolf> eb0x: go to java.com, download, and run the script. :)
[10:09] <drasko> eb0x, is'n there wiki page with help about it on ubuntu site?
[10:10] <thoreauputic> Utnubu: then rerun pppconfig
[10:10] <eb0x> oh i was thinking there might be something for apt-get or something
[10:10] <Echylo> hmm
[10:10] <tritium> eb0x, you can build your own .deb with java-package
[10:10] <drasko> eb0x, I did it manually...
[10:10] <Echylo> ubuntu is getting slow
[10:10] <Echylo> or it is my firefox
[10:10] <Echylo> isn't there a faster browser?
[10:10] <andrewski> eb0x: you can do it through apt.
[10:10] <Echylo> or is it as fast as it can get?
[10:10] <eb0x> Echylo: Ubuntu doesn't get slow because of  something here lol
[10:10] <quarupt> Echylo, Lynx
[10:10] <ompaul> Echylo, links lynx and lots of others
[10:11] <andrewski> Echylo: sure, galeon would be a good bet.
[10:11] <HiddenWolf> andewski: how?
[10:11] <Echylo> lynx is textbased
[10:11] <thoreauputic> Utnubu: if you run `groups` as root it just says "root" obviously
[10:11] <tritium> Echylo, http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1299854/posts
[10:11] <andrewski> HiddenWolf: how to install java?
[10:11] <ompaul> Echylo, links is not :)
[10:11] <Echylo> btw I already did the speed up firefox thing
[10:11] <quarupt> Echylo, it sure is, which is why its faster
[10:11] <HiddenWolf> andrewski: using apt-get
[10:11] <hone> msg43: ello?
[10:11] <Utnubu> thoreauptic: I now, now I am adding my user to dip and log out and in
[10:11] <tritium> Echylo, I haven't tried that, however.
[10:11] <msg43> hone hi
[10:11] <Echylo> epiphany or something like that
[10:11] <eb0x> andrewski: How?
[10:11] <thoreauputic> Utnubu: OK :)
[10:11] <hone> msg43: ok, do you ahve ndiswrapper-utils
[10:12] <hone> msg43: I assume yes
[10:12] <hone> msg43: then you ndiswrapper -i *.inf
[10:12] <Echylo> damn how is it called? ephipany, ephipany
[10:12] <hone> msg43: intalled the windows drivers
[10:12] <tritium> andrewski, are you referring to building your own java .deb with java-package?
[10:12] <quarupt> chown 777 ./ -R
[10:12] <thoreauputic> Utnubu: I assume this is a hardware modem? Not a winmodem?
[10:12] <msg43> hone I'm not in ubuntu yet
[10:12] <hone> Echylo: epiphany?
[10:12] <Echylo> that
[10:12] <Echylo> thanks
[10:12] <hone> msg43: oh hmm
[10:12] <msg43> and I have never seemed to find ndiswrapper0utils on my ubuntu disk
[10:12] <thoreauputic> Echylo: epiphany-browser
[10:12] <Utnubu> Its an extrnal modem, i used it allready with suse
[10:12] <andrewski> HiddenWolf eb0x tritium: no, i'm just mistaken.  java-common here, but not java. :)
[10:12] <hone> msg43: ndiswrapper-utils?
[10:12] <stephen_> Hello
[10:12] <JStrike> Are any of the Ubuntu Python guys in?
[10:12] <hone> msg43: should be in the repositories if I'm not mitsaken
[10:13] <stephen_> How do i make this gnome look better?
[10:13] <msg43> hone, ype never seen them on my disc
[10:13] <HiddenWolf> andrewski: thought so
[10:13] <tritium> andrewski, ah, okay
[10:13] <thoreauputic> Utnubu: OK - just checking :)
[10:13] <hone> msg43: dont' know if they're on the disk
[10:13] <stephen_> I want to also install a media player
[10:13] <msg43> oh
[10:13] <JStrike> stephen_ : What is wrong with it?
[10:13] <hone> stephen_: ubuntuguide.org
[10:13] <thoreauputic> stephen_:  nome-look.org
[10:13] <JStrike> stephen_ : Totem should come installed by default
[10:13] <andrewski> HiddenWolf tritium: this is how rumors get started. :)  but why isn't blackdown in the repos?
[10:13] <drasko> eb0x, do you relly need Sun' Java... You can Kaffe, it is in repository and has great compatibility
[10:13] <stephen_> i know
[10:14] <thoreauputic> bah  gnome-look.org
[10:14] <stephen_> but totem can't play my lovely WMV
[10:14] <Echylo> wtf
[10:14] <Echylo> ** (process:14114): CRITICAL **: egg_desktop_entries_add_group: assertion `egg_desktop_entries_lookup_group (entries, group_name) == NULL' failed
[10:14] <Echylo> I keep getting those errors
[10:14] <stephen_> and this gnome looks like crack
[10:14] <stephen_> i liked the KDE
[10:14] <thoreauputic> stephen_: read http://ubuntulinux.org
[10:14] <Utnubu> BTW: Is there a way, that my favourity app, that is available in debian can be added to universe?
[10:14] <JStrike> stephen_ : Then I recommend Linspire, etc
[10:14] <stephen_> EWW
[10:14] <stephen_> hellz no man
[10:15] <stephen_> linspire
[10:15] <thoreauputic> stephen_: if you don't like gnome, why on earth are you using Ubuntu?
[10:15] <stephen_> dunno
[10:15] <Bubbling_Zombie> thoreauputic, shoot me in that case
[10:15] <stephen_> i thought it was a good choice
[10:15] <Bubbling_Zombie> <- kubuntu :p
[10:15] <tritium> Utnubu, which is it?
[10:15] <stephen_> everybody said it was awesome
[10:15] <hone> stephen_: I like it
[10:15] <Utnubu> Its lyx.
[10:15] <thoreauputic> Bubbling_Zombie: kubuntu is a different case :)
[10:15] <stephen_> well how do i make it look better?
[10:15] <Bubbling_Zombie> :)
[10:15] <hone> depends on how you want it to look
[10:15] <stephen_> how do i add a my coputer on the desktop?, and is their a way to make gnome look like windows Xp?
[10:15] <hone> stephen_: go to those website people ahve sugested gnome-look or art.gnome.org
[10:15] <JStrike> stephen_ : Yes it is. It's main feature is it's tight Gnome install
[10:16] <SidDithers> ok I got a little bit further
[10:16] <SidDithers> I got it so that iwconfig recognizes my ssid
[10:16] <thoreauputic> stephen_: stop trolling
[10:16] <baikonur> hi
[10:16] <SidDithers> but it says "encryption: off"
[10:16] <Bubbling_Zombie> and do your research -_-
[10:16] <Echylo> anybody knows what this error means? ** (process:14114): CRITICAL **: egg_desktop_entries_add_group: assertion `egg_desktop_entries_lookup_group (entries, group_name) == NULL' failed
[10:16] <SidDithers> even though I typed in my key
[10:16] <stephen_> thanks
[10:16] <Echylo> it happens when I try to install things with apt
[10:16] <JStrike> Anyone know Python and preferably gnome-app-install
[10:16] <SidDithers> DarthFrog, any idea why its not taking the psk?
[10:17] <tck> sound works grand loggin in and then it suddenly stops
[10:17] <Utnubu> thoreauputic , I am now in dip and dailout, but pppconfig refuses to run - It says I must be root
[10:17] <tritium> Utnubu, lyx is in ubuntu
[10:17] <tck> any suggestions, running hoary preview
[10:17] <tritium> Utnubu, it's in the universe repo
[10:17] <thoreauputic> Utnubu: yes, you run pppconfig as root
[10:17] <baikonur> can I use the ubuntu 5.04 install CD as a rescue disk? I just installed ubuntu but the hdd was jumpered in slave mode during installation, after that I rejumpered the hdd as master but now the bootloader does not work correctly so I need to correct it, any hints?
[10:17] <Utnubu> Hu, I must have missed it %-)
[10:17] <hone> baikonur: you could use a live cd to boot
[10:17] <thoreauputic> Utnubu: but you can use pon and poff to connect/disconnect as a user
[10:18] <hone> baikonur: then reinstall grub onto the mbr
[10:18] <thoreauputic> Utnubu: sudo pppconfig
[10:18] <Utnubu> pon refuses to work, /dev/modem is missing.
[10:18] <stephen_> Do i install these?
[10:18] <thoreauputic> Utnubu: then try ttyS0 or ttyS1
[10:19] <krod> how long does it generally take for a CD to be sent to you?
[10:19] <baikonur> hone: okay, can you tell me in short what have to do with grub and where can I find the configuration file? I'm used to lilo and know anything about grub
[10:19] <Utnubu> Great, it is working :-D
[10:19] <thully> hi - how do you disable package authentication in Hoary?I've got some third-party sources and it keeps warning me about authentication
[10:19] <thoreauputic> Utnubu: or link /dev/ttyS0 to /dev/modem
[10:19] <thoreauputic> Utnubu: good
[10:19] <thoreauputic> Utnubu: can you use pon as your user?
[10:20] <Utnubu> Well, at least the modem tries to dial up.
[10:20] <Utnubu> Yes this works fine.
[10:20] <maximaus> isn it pon accountname?
[10:20] <tritium> Utnubu, did you find lyx in universe?
[10:20] <thoreauputic> Utnubu: Ok - you can use modem lights to connect then
[10:21] <thoreauputic> Utnubu: right click the panel and add modem lights
[10:21] <hone> baikonur: I think it's grub-install
[10:21] <hone> baikonur: should be in /usr/sbin/
[10:21] <SidDithers> does anyone know how I can set my WPA-PSK through iwconfig?
[10:21] <hone> baikonur: then you specify where your hd is located
[10:21] <SidDithers> whats the command?
[10:21] <Utnubu> Hmm, I need to find out why the provider refused connection, but now i think I can manage it :-)
[10:21] <thoreauputic> Utnubu: did you choose pap as authentication?
[10:22] <thoreauputic> Utnubu: usually pap is used
[10:22] <baikonur> hone: how can I write it onto the mbr?
[10:22] <drasko> Problem: Totem won't play any mpeg file... It kinda start, but displays error message right away? Wwhat am I missing?
[10:22] <Utnubu> Yes, pap is selected
[10:23] <Utnubu> Strangely /var/log/ppp-conecct-errors is empty
[10:23] <thoreauputic> Utnubu: OK sounds like you know what you're doing - happy debugging ;)
[10:24] <pepsi> how do i get it to stop marking a package for upgrade?
[10:24] <Zotnix> Ubuntuk. :snickers:
[10:25] <Utnubu> Thanks a lot for your help, I think I can impress my friend with a nice setup :-)
[10:25] <JStrike> Must be someone here who uses python. I thought all the consonical apps had to be in python
[10:25] <hone> baikonur: grub-install will overwrite the mbr
[10:25] <hone> baikonur: sorry if my responses are slow I'm configuring my kernel
[10:25] <thully> does anybody know how to disable apt authentication
[10:25] <ljlane> pepsi: echo packagename hold | dpkg --set-selections ... or something like that. Look at the end of the dpkg man page.
[10:25] <stephen_> nice.. i found kobuntu
[10:25] <baikonur> hone: no problem, I appreciate any help
[10:26] <baikonur> hone: but what file to edit first?
[10:26] <thoreauputic> JStrike: heh, yeah but 90% of recent Ubuntu converts wouldn't even know what Python is :)
[10:27] <pepsi> ljlane, thx
[10:27] <JStrike> thoreauputic : True :-) Was meaning one of the Ubuntu devs though
[10:27] <hone> baikonur: what do you mean what file?
[10:30] <LinuxJones> JStrike, #ubuntu-devel
[10:30] <Lemonzest> does bunty work with cool and quite on amd64's?
[10:30] <baikonur> hone: with LILO you have to edit /etc/lilo.conf and change the hdd device name there and then run lilo, do I have to pass the new /dev/hda1 path to grub-install as a parameter?
[10:30] <hone> baikonur: yeah as parameter
[10:30] <hone> baikonur: but I think you do the other format like hd0,0
[10:30] <hone> baikonur: in params
[10:30] <ompaul> Lemonzest, if it does not report that as a bug :)
[10:31] <fristad> Do I have to have smb-support installed to access a microsoft netoworkserver?
[10:31] <hone> baikonur: parens rather, look at /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:31] <hone> baikonur: actually, just pass (hd0)
[10:31] <hone> baikonur: if it's the first hd
[10:31] <baikonur> hone: there is (hd0)   /dev/hdb in device.map, maybe just edit this file?
[10:31] <bryan_> Anyone tried the new Linux version of Nero?
[10:31] <hone> baikonur: it's hd0
[10:31] <hone> baikonur: hdb would be hd1
[10:31] <JStrike> hrm...Ross Burton seems to be the person to talk to
[10:31] <thoreauputic> maximaus: late answer -  it's pon unless you specify the provider ( ie pon dials the default provider )
[10:32] <baikonur> hone: yes okay, but the current entry is the wrong one
[10:32] <thoreauputic> maximaus: if you have eg 2 providers, you can do pon provider for the second one
[10:32] <thoreauputic> maximaus: but pon provider also works if you prefer it
[10:33] <maximaus> bryan, yeah, it fine. K3b better if you don mind installing the libs.
[10:33] <drasko> Problem: Totem-xine show just a blue screen when I play mpeg...
[10:33] <[Spooky] > hm Nero for linux ?
[10:33] <maximaus> lol, one provider good enough for me.
[10:33] <Ubuntuk> Yeah.
[10:33] <bryan_> what's the command to turn on DMA for my dvd writer (hdc)
[10:33] <[Spooky] > that i didnt know :)
[10:33] <baikonur> hone: so I can edit menu.lst and then run grub-install and it has the same effect as a parameter for grub-install?
[10:33] <bryan_> hdparam something
[10:33] <Ubuntuk> hdparm -d 1
[10:33] <scizzo> hdparm
[10:33] <thoreauputic> maximaus: the leaving the field blank allows just "pon" :)
[10:33] <hone> baikonur: no, I don't think so
[10:34] <Ubuntuk> hdparm -d 1 /dev/hdc
[10:34] <Ubuntuk> Oops.
[10:34] <Ubuntuk> :)
[10:34] <hone> baikonur: you have to tell grub-install where to install
[10:34] <hone> baikonur: menu.lst is just where grub looks
[10:34] <ompaul> bryan_, it would be nice it they had it on their web site if anyone wanted to try it
[10:34] <maximaus> well, dammit, I filled my field, thoreauputic. :D
[10:34] <hone> baikonur: after it's installed for the options/kernels/fs
[10:34] <LinuxJones> [Spooky] , you have to have a windows license'd copy to install it or something retarded like that.
[10:34] <thoreauputic> maximaus: heh - just means you have to type more ;-)
[10:34] <maximaus> or just go to keygen.us and grab a license key.
[10:35] <[Spooky] > LinuxJones: aha
[10:35] <Ubuntuk> I'm happy with graveman
[10:35] <pugio> hello, somehow my gnome install got completely broken, and I'm trying to reinstall components
[10:35] <pugio> but 'sudo apt-get install gnome' has many dependancies that it calls for
[10:35] <baikonur> hone: yes okay, where to install the bootloader file but I want to edit the "kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-4-386 root=/dev/hdb1 ro quiet splash" into root=/dev/hda1
[10:35] <pugio> which, for some reason are not being followed
[10:35] <maximaus> I like k3b, but Nero did seem quite fast and very stable.
[10:35] <LinuxJones> [Spooky] , plus it is using ugly gtk1 for some odd reason
[10:35] <pugio> is there some sort of flag I'm mising for apt-get to install dependancies
[10:35] <pugio> ?
[10:35] <ubuntu_> I'm testing the livecd, right now.  I can't even play music with the included player (rhythmbox) & stations.  Is this common?
[10:36] <thoreauputic> pugio: try `sudo apt-get install --reinstall ubuntu-desktop`
[10:36] <maximaus> gtk1 since it will work on even older boxen -- and its really fast.
[10:36] <LinuxJones> ubuntu_, you can'
[10:36] <LinuxJones> t play mp3'
[10:36] <LinuxJones> s by default
[10:36] <hone> baikonur: yeah that's in menu.lst in /boot/grub/
[10:36] <LinuxJones> wtf
[10:36] <pugio> thoreauputic: thanks!!! I think that's doing it
[10:36] <bryan_> ubuntu_: sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins
[10:36] <hone> what's a good burner for ubuntu?
[10:36] <baikonur> hone: so at first I have to edit menu.lst? that is the configuration file for grub?
[10:36] <thoreauputic> LinuxJones: tha
[10:36] <thoreauputic> t was
[10:36] <thoreauputic> odd
[10:37] <ubuntu_> LinuxJones, why not?
[10:37] <thoreauputic> :)
[10:37] <LinuxJones> thoreauputic, I have no idea how I did that ??
[10:37] <hone> baikonur: yes that is
[10:37] <ubuntu_> bryan_, i'm using the livecd, is it possible to install things?
[10:37] <thoreauputic> LinuxJones: Sk1LLZ !
[10:37] <bryan_> ubuntu_:  try it
[10:37] <ubuntu_> bryan_, right. ;)
[10:38] <LinuxJones> ubuntu_, mp3 is not a free codec and you are supposed to buy some license to use it
[10:38] <baikonur> hone: ok, thanks, we talked at cross-purposes :)
[10:38] <LinuxJones> ubuntu_, you should be able to play .ogg files tho
[10:38] <hone> baikonur: :-D
[10:38] <hone> baikonur: good luck
[10:39] <maximaus> apt-get install gstreamer-mad should get you mp3 playage.
[10:40] <thoreauputic> sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[10:42] <superted> thoreauputic: just use flac?
[10:42] <Utnubu> thoreauptic: Connection now works, now I have to find out why modemlights is not working. It does not show the connection status and I cannot disconnect
[10:42] <thoreauputic> superted: hmm... good idea !
[10:42] <superted> thoreauputic: :)
[10:42] <hone> flac is awesome
[10:42] <Utnubu> Any idea whats messed up?
[10:43] <hone> 'cept it's huge
[10:43] <[Spooky] > flac is ok, but too big :/
[10:43] <ompaul> ubuntu_, you can type sudo killall wvdial and it should hang up for you
[10:43] <thoreauputic> Utnubu: have you configured modem lights?
[10:43] <Utnubu> Yes, I changed the connection command and disconnect command.
[10:44] <thoreauputic> Utnubu: disconnect is always "poff"
[10:44] <Utnubu> As device i left the default (ppp0)
[10:44] <Utnubu> Ok
[10:44] <thoreauputic> Utnubu: and you ticked the "confirm connection" box?
[10:45] <Utnubu> But modemlights asks me if I would like to connect. But I am connected. I guess its not realizing that there is allready an ppp0 device
[10:45] <Utnubu> Yes, It is ticked
[10:45] <thoreauputic> Utnubu: I guess you need to disconnect and try again, then :)
[10:46] <thoreauputic> Utnubu: it should work - but if not you can make a launcher for "pon" and another for "poff" I guess
[10:47] <Karlosis> what java is there in Ubuntu?
[10:47] <ubuntu__> bryan_, I've tried installing "libgstreamer-plugins0.8-0" and "gstreamer0.8-misc".  Both are apparently the newest versions already.
[10:47] <thoreauputic> Utnubu: I wrote a little script with xdialog to do a few other things and pop up a dialogue instead....
[10:47] <Utnubu> Well, I can tell my friend how to disconnect (switch of the modem :-D ) - but its not as comfortable as I would like
[10:48] <mjr> Karlosis, some free packages like sablevm and jikes
[10:48] <mjr> (and kaffe in universe)
[10:48] <thoreauputic> Utnubu: a poff button would be easy to set up...
[10:48] <Utnubu> Do you have a nice icon for that ? :-D
[10:49] <thoreauputic> heh - use the gimp ;)
[10:49] <thoreauputic> Utnubu: I make my own icons when I don't like the defaults
[10:49] <thoreauputic> :)
[10:49] <hone> can we just use make-kpkg kernel_image to compile a kernel?
[10:50] <thoreauputic> hone: a kernal image doesn't need to be compiled
[10:50] <Utnubu> Ill try my best, but my artwork is terrible :-/
[10:50] <thoreauputic> hone: much easier to just apt-get an image
[10:50] <Ubuntuk> ubuntu_, are you on a liveCD you said?
[10:50] <ubuntu__> Ubuntuk, yes.
[10:50] <hone> thoreauputic: yeah I know, but I want to make my own
[10:50] <Ubuntuk> Oh.
[10:50] <hone> thoreauputic: plus patching for ibm thiknpad stuff
[10:51] <thoreauputic> Utnubu: well, use the "swiss army knife" icon , or something (it's there)
[10:51] <hone> thoreauputic: to get better trackpoint functionality
[10:51] <thoreauputic> hone: OK
[10:51] <Ubuntuk> Hrm. So if you logout you shutdown. usually you go gst-register-0.8 after installing those.
[10:51] <Ubuntuk> ^ ubuntu_
[10:51] <hone> thoreauputic: is there a way to get a 2.6.9+ kernel source off apt?
[10:52] <Ubuntuk> Then logout and back in for mp3 in rhythmbox
[10:52] <hone> thoreauputic: or is that only available for hoary?
[10:52] <Utnubu> The "gedit-plugin-manager" icon?
[10:52] <LinuxJones> hone, you have to install build-essential if you want to compile your own kernel
[10:53] <thoreauputic> hone: apt-cache search linux-image
[10:53] <thoreauputic> Utnubu: yeah, i use it for the rox filer :)
[10:53] <thoreauputic> Utnubu: you can use it for whatever you please
[10:53] <hone> LinuxJones: hmm I just used kernel-package and then the gcc
[10:53] <hone> thoreauputic: only gues up to 2.6.8.1
[10:53] <thoreauputic> or any other icon you like
[10:54] <thoreauputic> hone: on warty, yes
[10:54] <thoreauputic> hone: on hoary you can get up to 2.6.11
[10:54] <Utnubu> I thing I will use gnome-modem and a modified version, I think this is more intuitive
[10:54] <thoreauputic> Utnubu: sure :)
[10:55] <hone> thoreauputic: really?  I can't find it in my respositories
[10:55] <thoreauputic> Utnubu: I was only suggesting
[10:55] <runokiab> hone: there is no grub-install on the live-cd
[10:55] <runokiab> hone: and chroot /mnt/hda1 and then running grub-install does not work because for example awk is not installed
[10:56] <DarthFrog> thoreauputic: Open Office 2.0 beta default document format is Open Document.  swx, etc. format is available as OpenOffice.org 1.0 items.
[10:56] <hone> runokiab: hmm
[10:57] <hone> runokiab: there ins't grub-install in /usr/sbin/
[10:57] <thoreauputic> DarthFrog: ah, thanks
[10:58] <Utnubu> Ok, I have something that looks nice. Is there a chance that modemlights will be fixed in hoary?
[10:58] <SirNahuel> should I use ubuntu or debian?
[10:58] <thoreauputic> Utnubu: what's wrong with your modem lights? works fine here on warty ?
[10:58] <runokiab> hone: nope
[10:59] <runokiab> hone: I'm in runlevel 1
[10:59] <Goshawk> SirNahuel, you should use whatever you want
[10:59] <thoreauputic> SirNahuel: you're asking that in #ubuntu? and expecting an unbiased answer ?
[10:59] <Utnubu> It doesn't show the modem status and throuput. Have I missed something?
[10:59] <hone> rubenv: ......
[10:59] <runokiab> hone: because it does not successfully load X. Maybe there aren't all programs available in runlevel 1?
[10:59] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> hey guys, how do i set up a webcam in linux
[10:59] <thoreauputic> Utnubu: you ticked that box?
[11:00] <bryan_> SirNahuel:  really depends on what kinda user you are
[11:00] <Goshawk> SirNahuel, IMHO i suggesto to try both, and then choose
[11:00] <hone> rubenv: you don't need X to use sbin
[11:00] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> well how do i get to "modconf"
[11:00] <SirNahuel> thoreauputic, let me reformulate my question, what does ubuntu offer that debian does not? Ubuntu looks like debian with a different repository
[11:00] <LinuxJones> [CX] -sw0rdsavy, modconf is not installed
[11:00] <Utnubu> YEs, it is ticked.
[11:00] <thoreauputic> SirNahuel: more or less, yes - with 6 month release cycle and up to date GNOME etc
[11:00] <Utnubu> Every box is ticked
[11:00] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> so in order to add support for things like webcam ill need to install it
[11:01] <SidDithersL> can someone here help me with wpa_supplicant? I got it to recognize my SSID, and it can connect to the network fine without encryption, but with encryption iwconfig says the encryption key is "off"
[11:01] <Goshawk> SirNahuel, and also a very good device management
[11:01] <SidDithersL> does anyone know how I can set the encryption key? (WPA-PSK?)
[11:01] <SidDithersL> I really need help with this, i need it for school tomorrow
[11:01] <runokiab> hone: I don't know how to change the mbr without running grub-install, it seems to be a dilemma
[11:01] <thoreauputic> SirNahuel: I run debian as well - it's your choice really
[11:01] <SirNahuel> thoreauputic, it does not offer extra items, such as a better hardware detection?
[11:01] <hone> runokiab: yeah I don't know either
[11:01] <airox> Hi, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SuspendHowto sais I have to cd to /etc/acpi/buttons, but the dir isn't there ... What could be the problem ??
[11:01] <hone> SirNahuel: it offers tight gnome integration
[11:02] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> during boot modprobe gives me fatal errors :(
[11:02] <SirNahuel> thoreauputic, I run debian, and tried out warty. Just trying to figure out what's the *big* difference
[11:02] <thoreauputic> SirNahuel: I think the hardware detection is better, yes
[11:02] <SidDithersL> anyone at all?
[11:02] <hone> brb
[11:02] <airox> SidDithersL: ubuntu has a different goal ??
[11:02] <SidDithersL> what do you mean?
[11:03] <SidDithersL> im trying to set up wpa-psk through wpa_supplicant and it wont take the key
[11:03] <mseney> if you move a hard drive w/ ubuntu already installed to another machine do you have to reinstall to get better system performance. I went from a P3 800Mhz to P4 1.7 GHz
[11:03] <thoreauputic> SirNahuel: well, I struggled with alsa in debian trying to get sound working - in ubuntu it worked "out of the box"
[11:03] <thoreauputic> SirNahuel: your mileage may vary....
[11:03] <heatxsink> which run level is for X?
[11:03] <heatxsink> 5?
[11:03] <SirNahuel> thoreauputic, ok thanks
[11:04] <LinuxJones> heatxsink, 2-5 are the same unless you change then. 2 is default
[11:04] <Coily> approx how long would the memory test in the mbr take to run with 256mb of ram?
[11:04] <DarthFrog> SidDithersL: Sorry I wasn't able to be of more help to you.
[11:04] <heatxsink> LinuxJones, how come when I reboot it kicks me to the terminal
[11:04] <pugio> where do I edit my apt-get sources?
[11:05] <SidDithersL> its ok. I changed my configs drastically since we last talked, care to take a look?
[11:05] <LinuxJones> heatxsink, are you on warty or hoary ?
[11:05] <heatxsink> LinuxJones, it seems to me that X works cause I can startx
[11:05] <lunitik> pugio: /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:05] <heatxsink> hoary
[11:05] <pugio> got it thanks
[11:05] <Coily> anyone?
[11:05] <heatxsink> LinuxJones, hoar
[11:05] <heatxsink> LinuxJones, hoary
[11:05] <heatxsink> haha
[11:06] <Coily> repeating: approx how long would the memory test in the mbr take to run with 256mb of ram?
[11:06] <LinuxJones> heatxsink, ok sudo update-rc.d xorg-common defaults
[11:06] <Pluk> Coily, 4 hours?
[11:06] <pugio> ok, my sources list must be really messed up
[11:06] <LinuxJones> heatxsink, that will start xorg when you boot next time
[11:06] <heatxsink> LinuxJones,  System startup links for /etc/init.d/xorg-common already exist.
[11:06] <pugio> caus it's not finidng half of what it should
[11:06] <pugio> is there a way to rebuild my sources list?
[11:06] <thoreauputic> Coily: 2 minutes isn't long to wait between repeats...
[11:07] <LinuxJones> heatxsink, sorry name that update-rc. gdm default
[11:07] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> guys i need some help in getting my usb webcam to show up in linux
[11:07] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> please
[11:07] <Coily> Pluk, +- on that?
[11:07] <lunitik> pugio: 'deb http://archives.ubuntu.org hoary main restricted universe multiverse' is what you should see (at least, but may have warty instead of hoary)
[11:07] <LinuxJones> heatxsink, sorry my typing skills are horrid >>  "sudo update-rc.d gdm default"
[11:08] <pugio> lunitki I have a loooot of entires in that sources list, that's all I need?
[11:08] <Pluk> i dunno exactly Coily , if i do it i do it while im asleep
[11:08] <Coily> Pluk, alright just making sure it would finish in a night
[11:08] <`Xenocide> coily: its a very thurough procedure, but id imagine it depends partly on RAM speed
[11:08] <heatxsink> LinuxJones, System startup links for /etc/init.d/gdm already exist.
[11:08] <heatxsink> i'm gonna reboot
[11:08] <heatxsink> brb
[11:09] <pugio> hmm, I have "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com ..." lunitik
[11:09] <`Xenocide> coily: absolutely it should be finished on an overnight test
[11:09] <Coily> `Xenocide, thanks
[11:09] <`Xenocide> coily: i did a gig and it was on a second run after about two hours
[11:09] <thoreauputic> pugio: that's just the start of each line - you should read the comments in the file
[11:09] <Coily> ah thats not too bad
[11:10] <pugio> thoreauputic: it's very fragmented, unfortunately
[11:10] <pugio> thoreauputic: I upgraded from warty, and I guess I must have messed it up or something
[11:10] <thoreauputic> pugio: sounds like it
[11:10] <pugio> thoreauputic: so how do I rebuild it?
[11:10] <lunitik> pugio: you should have at least 4 like that... security and main archive... but there will be one that is commented that states 'universe'...
[11:11] <thoreauputic> pugio: you are running hoary now?
[11:11] <pugio> thoreauputic: yeah
[11:11] <pugio> thoreauputic: warty gave me many many issues
[11:11] <thoreauputic> I have warty or I'd paste mine for you somewhere
[11:11] <lunitik> pugio: you just edit it... there is no 'rebuilding'... apt-get update I guess would be as close as is applicable...
[11:12] <thoreauputic> pugio: ask a hoary user to paste theirs for you in a paste bin, perhaps
[11:12] <lunitik> thoreauputic: chicken... go get the preview!
[11:12] <pugio> lunitik: can you give me a paste of the sources file?
[11:12] <thoreauputic> lunitik: not chicken - dialup :)
[11:12] <cg> how can I see TV with my ATI AIW 9800??
[11:12] <jazzka> hi!
[11:12] <thoreauputic> lunitik: I can wait :)
[11:12] <thully> hi -does anyone know how to disable apt authentication so I don't keep getting warnings about third party sources?
[11:13] <jazzka> which is the simplyest way to encode an audio-cd to mp3 ??
[11:13] <kent> jamesh, using sound juicer?
[11:13] <lunitik> pugio: mine just states: deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted universe multiverse
[11:13] <lunitik> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted
[11:13] <LinuxJones> jazzka, grip or sound juicer
[11:13] <thully> go to restrictedformats wiki, install MP3 encoder/decoder, and use sound juicerinmp3 mode
[11:14] <jazzka> LinuxJones, are installed by default?
[11:14] <sander__> thully, I think it's in apt.conf
[11:14] <LinuxJones> jazzka, grip isn't
[11:14] <jazzka> ok
[11:14] <jazzka> I'm on my way ;)
[11:14] <LinuxJones> jazzka, Applications >> Sound and Video
[11:14] <jazzka> okok
[11:14] <lunitik> pugio: I customize mine though, first line for instance is two usually... and I took out the hoary-updates line (cuz I don't plan on running hoary long enough)
[11:15] <lunitik> sander__: there is no apt.conf ... apt_prefrerences and sources.list are the main files.
[11:15] <lunitik> sander__: although most ignore preferences.
[11:15] <LinuxJones> jazzka, you might need to install the lame encoder to create mp3. You should be able to encode to .ogg out of the box
[11:17] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> where can i find the usbdevfs devices file in ubuntu
[11:18] <quarupted> YAY, I just had a kernel Panic in my Hoary AMD64  i had to reinstall to Warty I386
[11:18] <pugio> lunitik:  I don't even HAVE a hoary-updates line
[11:18] <lunitik> [CX] -sw0rdsavy: /etc/hotplug[.d]  I guess ...
[11:18] <pugio> lunitik: this is seriously messed up methinks
[11:18] <pugio> and I have no idea
[11:19] <lunitik> pugio: paste yours to pastebin.com
[11:19] <pugio> DOES ANYONE HERE have a full Hoary /etc/apt/sources.list?
[11:19] <quarupted> ubuntuguide.org does
[11:19] <pugio> lunitik: this is after me starting to update it
[11:19] <thoreauputic> pugio: run apt-setup and go from there...
[11:19] <lunitik> pugio: cool... paste it.
[11:19] <pugio> http://pastebin.com/255149
[11:21] <pugio> thoreauputic: only that replace it with the warty files
[11:21] <stephen_> hi
[11:21] <pugio> and I'm back to square one
[11:21] <stephen_> how do i burn ISOS in LinuX Ubuntu?
[11:21] <thoreauputic> pugio: universe is commented out, and the crimsun line should almost certainly have ./ instead of  /
[11:21] <lunitik> pugio: other than 'deb http://sh.nu/~crimsun/ /' I don't see anything wrong... I believe thats supposed to be 'deb http://sh.nu/~crimsun/ ./' though
[11:21] <thoreauputic> yes
[11:21] <lunitik> thoreauputic: beat me, fucker  :P
[11:21] <stephen_> how do i burn ISOS in LinuX Ubuntu?
[11:21] <thoreauputic> lunitik: :)
[11:21] <stephen_> what's lunitiK?
[11:22] <LinuxJones> stephen_, open nautilus and right click the .iso file
[11:22] <stephen_> yes
[11:22] <lunitik> stephen_: Lunitik Musik... Luniz 2nd CD ... dudes that did "I got 5 on it"
[11:22] <pugio> ok, well lett's see if that works then
[11:22] <stephen_> i need some real help later
[11:22] <stephen_> i dont' know how to install .tar files
[11:22] <shevegen> when i default installed hoary, is there an irc client, which i can use to connect to this channel for further help once i finished installation? :)
[11:23] <LinuxJones> shevegen, yeah xchat
[11:23] <shevegen> great
[11:23] <shevegen> ok, see you in some time then :)
[11:23] <lunitik> stephen_: tar -xjf blah.tar.bz2 or tar -xzf blah.tar.gz ...
[11:23] <thoreauputic> stephen_: you don't usually need to use tar files for install in ubuntu - you use apt or the synaptic package manager
[11:23] <lunitik> stephen_: you probably want to know how to compile though...
[11:23] <stephen_> . ok anyway
[11:24] <stephen_> TO burn ISO
[11:24] <stephen_> i do? natulis
[11:24] <thoreauputic> lunitik: he probably doesn't ;)
[11:24] <stephen_> and right click ISO  BURn to disk?
[11:24] <LinuxJones> stephen_, yeah
[11:24] <quarupted> does warty have something out of the box to burn ISO's?
[11:24] <thoreauputic> stephen_: is there chewing gum on your caps lock key?
[11:24] <eb0x> Change directory to the location where you would like the files to be installed.
[11:24] <neighborlee> has anyone else seen gnome-terminal ( hoary preview release 5.04) crash ? ( and it took the desktop with it too )
[11:24] <eb0x> Where's a good place to install to?
[11:24] <eb0x> or where do i have to install to
[11:24] <lunitik> quarupted: nautilus just like LinuxJones is explaining.
[11:25] <lunitik> quarupted: also I believe it had a few cosmetic changes since warty...
[11:25] <quarupted> what
[11:25] <quarupted> well im going back to Hoary as soon as i get the ISO on a disk
[11:25] <stephen_> question
[11:26] <quarupted> I just wanna know if i need K3b or something, or if it will burn it out of the box?
[11:26] <stephen_> if i burn the ISO i can boot from CD?
[11:26] <lunitik> quarupted: cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc speed=24 --data some-file.iso
[11:26] <stephen_> nautlia thing
[11:26] <lunitik> quarupted: changing dev and speed as applicable.
[11:26] <stephen_> which use?
[11:26] <quarupted> lunitik, I cant just right click and click burn to cd?
[11:26] <SidDithersL> how can I add the interface?
[11:26] <SidDithersL> I dont think the interface has run yet for some reason
[11:26] <meldroc> what would be the most expiditious way of getting the new nvidia drivers onto my Kubuntu (close enough to Ubuntu Hoary?) system?  Right now I'm thinking of grabbing the kernel source and rolling my own kernel.
[11:27] <SidDithersL> I need to run the interface before I run wpa_supplicant
[11:27] <lunitik> quarupted: sure... cdrecord provides less fuss though imo  :/
[11:27] <SidDithersL> and I dont know how to do that :/
[11:27] <quarupted> thx
[11:27] <eb0x> I am trying to install the Java Runtime Environment --- Where do I have to install to?
[11:27] <neighborlee> meldroc, just get the kernel-headers and symlnk it
[11:27] <meldroc> sounds like a plan - where do I symlink?
[11:27] <quarupted> man im only getting 400k Downloading the Hoary preview, I guess its getting busy
[11:27] <pugio> "only 400k"
[11:27] <lunitik> eb0x: doesn't really matter... just make sure the libjavaplugin file is symlinked to /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins
[11:28] <pugio> I have never even seeen such speeds
[11:28] <neighborlee> meldroc, /usr/src/linux
[11:28] <quarupted> pugio, Yea but im on a T1
[11:28] <SidDithersL> anybody know how?
[11:28] <lunitik> eb0x: and that the bin file is symlinked to /usr/bin ... if you need java apps...
[11:28] <pugio> quarupted:  :)
[11:28] <meldroc> eb0x - i downloaded the .bin from blackdown, then used a package called make-jpkg to automagically build .debs
[11:28] <eb0x> er im confused
[11:28] <eb0x> im new to linux :x
[11:28] <lunitik> meldroc: make-jpkg is not a package... 'java-package'
[11:29] <quarupted> i wanna find an ebook copy of "rute"
[11:29] <meldroc> i stand corrected - make-jpkg is the command, comes in the package "java-package"
[11:29] <meldroc> worked for me.
[11:29] <KING^^^> hello all , how do i mount my other partitions and how do i make them to remain after reboot ?
[11:29] <lunitik> meldroc: java-package adds extra confusion and work...
[11:29] <mseney> Does OpenOffice.org Write 1.1.3 open slowly for you guys?
[11:29] <mseney> *writer my bad
[11:29] <lunitik> mseney: yes
[11:29] <mseney> lunitik, k
[11:29] <fr500> hello
[11:30] <eb0x> root@ubuntu:/home/eb0x/My Downloads # apt-get install java-package
[11:30] <eb0x> Reading Package Lists... Done
[11:30] <eb0x> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[11:30] <eb0x> E: Couldn't find package java-package
[11:30] <meldroc> lunatik - how?  it seemed to work fine for me - created a .deb with one command, then dpkg -i installed it.
[11:30] <neighborlee> fr500, hi
[11:30] <tizen> How do you guys burn audio cds with Ubuntu
[11:30] <tizen> ?
[11:30] <tizen> Hoary in perticulur
[11:30] <neighborlee> tizen, nautilus works ok
[11:30] <fr500> i have hoary cd now, if i upgrade and it breaks, can i go back to warty easily?
[11:30] <quarupted> k3b or Kaffine
[11:30] <KING^^^> tizen: k3b
[11:30] <neighborlee> tizen, or there is that new gnome app too
[11:30] <lunitik> mseney: try installing oooqs-gnome  (if thats not it... apt-cache search OpenOffice quickstart)
[11:30] <LinuxJones> tizen, graveman
[11:30] <tizen> KING^^^: rather not use KDE apps
[11:30] <meldroc> i take it that we have java-package instead of direct java packages because of legalities of redistributing the Sun JDK?
[11:31] <lunitik> meldroc: yes
[11:31] <quarupted> lol k3b is the best burning frontend for linux period
[11:31] <neighborlee> tizen, then grab that new gnome app
[11:31] <quarupted> you could try Xcdroast
[11:31] <neighborlee> quarupted,matter of opinion
[11:31] <lunitik> quarupted: bull shit
[11:31] <fr500> quarupted, gnomebaker is cool too
[11:31] <KING^^^> how do i mount my other partitions and how do i make them to remain after reboot ?
[11:31] <neighborlee> fr500, yeah thats the one i'm thinking of
[11:31] <neighborlee> KING^^^, add them to /etc/fstab
[11:31] <fr500> my question anyone
[11:31] <KING^^^> and what is that command to mount it ?
[11:31] <quarupted> mount
[11:32] <quarupted> lol
[11:32] <fr500> if i upgrade, and hoary doesnt work for me, is there a way to go back?
[11:32] <KING^^^> full command
[11:32] <lunitik> KING^^^: if you want it to remain after reboot... you need to add to /etc/fstab
[11:32] <LinuxJones> KING^^^, check www.ubuntuguide.org
[11:32] <tizen> gnomebaker isn't in synaptic eh?
[11:32] <quarupted> mount /dev/hadx /mount point
[11:32] <fr500> well i'll let the luck decide, i'll try for myself
[11:32] <thoreauputic> KING^^^:  tuxfiles.org
[11:32] <KING^^^> aha thats it quarupted
[11:33] <quarupted> hdax*
[11:33] <KING^^^> mount /dev/hadx /mnt/d/hdax uid=artur  ?
[11:33] <KING^^^> its ok ?
[11:33] <quarupted> if ya add em in your etc/fstab they will automount
[11:33] <mseney> lunitik, hey i just went into synaptic and i see there is openoffice2 there? all this time i could have had 2? i don't get it?
[11:34] <quarupted> well then get it
[11:34] <mseney> lol
[11:34] <quarupted> I want Star office
[11:34] <KING^^^> quarupted:
[11:34] <lunitik> mseney: its really 1.9x... beta
[11:34] <quarupted> it can do access
[11:34] <KING^^^> mount /dev/hadx /mnt/d/hdax uid=artur  ?
[11:34] <KING^^^> this command is good ?
[11:34] <quarupted> king you dont need to specify a uid
[11:34] <mseney> lunitik, :)
[11:35] <lunitik> quarupted: so can OO.o  .. new one has something new that does it... I forget the name though
[11:35] <quarupted> your uid is prolly 1000
[11:35] <KING^^^> but the rest is good right ?
[11:35] <quarupted> lunitik, really? ill have to look into that
[11:35] <quarupted> KING^^^, No
[11:36] <quarupted> you need to specify the actualy partition
[11:36] <KING^^^> but how ?
[11:36] <quarupted> it will be like /dev/hda3  or something
[11:36] <KING^^^> i have 3 more partitions
[11:36] <KING^^^> yes
[11:36] <thoreauputic> KING^^^: seriously, go read http://www.tuxfiles.org/    - it will help you a lot
[11:37] <quarupted> thoreauputic, at least link him to a mounting page
[11:37] <lunitik> KING^^^: do the same thing... but customize for each... but you wanted them to stay after reboot... mount doesn't do that... /etc/fstab does.
[11:37] <thoreauputic> quarupted: no, he needs to learn the basics first
[11:37] <quarupted> yea you will need to add the parts in your /etc/fstab
[11:37] <DrSirLuminair> I tried out the livecd, ubuntu is pretty sexy!
[11:37] <KING^^^> ok ...
[11:37] <KING^^^> just a sec
[11:37] <neighborlee> DrSirLuminair, yeah baby
[11:38] <quarupted> thoreauputic, let him learn in whatever order he wants, you know no newb is gunna sit and read all of tux or TLDP
[11:38] <quarupted> i wanna get my hands on a hard copy of rute
[11:38] <dazed> lol
[11:39] <KING^^^> artur@ubuntu:/mnt $ sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/c/hda1
[11:39] <KING^^^> mount: mount point /mnt/c/hda1 does not exist
[11:39] <thoreauputic> quarupted: OK mate - I've been helping in here hours a day, and I guess I'm just getting tired of hand holding people who haven't done any research
[11:39] <lunitik> thoreauputic: if these people actually *wanted* to learn... they would have fired up man or yelp... they just want someone to do it for them
[11:39] <lunitik> thoreauputic: he'll be back in a week asking the same thing.
[11:39] <hone> thoreauputic: most people do
[11:40] <thoreauputic> quarupted, lunatik,  time for mw to sign off I think. I might come back sometime, who knows...
[11:40] <neighborlee> lunitik, sometimes linux is a bit intimdiating for some people..its not always a lazy issue ;-)
[11:40] <quarupted> thoreauputic, if ya dont wanna help why ya here, if this community was just about refering people to man and guides, it would be a web page not a irc chan
[11:40] <runokiab> hone: if someone else asks, you can use the install cd to install the bootloader again, there is an option in the menu
[11:40] <lunitik> neighborlee: its *always* a lazy issue.
[11:40] <quarupted> see ya thoreauputic
[11:40] <neighborlee> quarupted, I agree helping is 'good
[11:40] <hone> rubenv: ahh ok
[11:40] <neighborlee> lunitik, nonsense
[11:40] <hone> runokiab: sorry I didn't help much
[11:40] <lunitik> neighborlee: it being intimidating is an excuse!
[11:40] <neighborlee> lunitik, that is a defeatist 'elistist' mentality and NOT welcome in #ubuntu !!
[11:40] <hone> thoreauputic: just take a break ,come back when you feel better
[11:40] <thoreauputic> quarupted: you are ignorant of the fact that I've been helping people here for ages, and presumptuous uin your comments.
[11:40] <lunitik> thoreauputic: peace out?
[11:40] <quarupted> Its just you guys hav been doing this stuff for so long that you dont remeber how hard it is to learn the basics
[11:41] <hone> thoreauputic: thanks for the hlep.
[11:41] <thoreauputic> quarupted: crap
[11:41] <rubenv> hone: eh?
[11:41] <neighborlee> quarupted, exactly
[11:41] <spiderworm> where do i get driverloader from linuxant for ubuntu 64 bit?
[11:41] <hone> rebell: ?
[11:41] <quarupted> these guys are coming fresh of a click and crap OS that does everything for them
[11:41] <neighborlee> quarupted, that too
[11:41] <thoreauputic> bye
[11:41] <hone> bye
[11:42] <neighborlee> cheers
[11:42] <quarupted> lol
[11:42] <Utnubu> I can remember how hard it was for me to understand what sys:devs/mountlist does. And now guess what my first OS was :-)
[11:42] <dazed> see ya thore
[11:42] <quarupted> 95% then ill be back on Hoary, thank god
[11:42] <neighborlee> Utnubu, heh
[11:42] <FR500> well, i've to wait till it upgrades, hope it will work fine
[11:43] <KING^^^> quarupted:
[11:43] <KING^^^> artur@ubuntu:/mnt $ cd c
[11:43] <KING^^^> bash: cd: c: Permission denied
[11:43] <dazed> king sudo
[11:43] <neighborlee> quarupted, are you seeing crashy behavior in preview release 5 hoary or is it just a fluke..( gnome-terminal crashed today and totally took my desktop with it ) ;-)))
[11:43] <quarupted> what are you doing
[11:43] <Utnubu> Well, I started using computers a long time ago and I would have been very glad to have something like and irc channel to ask peoples. We should be more patient with the people or make things more userfriendly so noone has to ask.
[11:44] <quarupted> neighborlee, i have only tried the AMD64 release, and it was very very buggy, because its AMD64, im going to be installing the i386 release in about 10 mins ill let ya know
[11:44] <neighborlee> quarupted, all I did was : right click : open tab > and BOOM
[11:44] <ells> tritium: what is up mike
[11:44] <tritium> ells, hey there steve
[11:44] <neighborlee> quarupted, ok that rox
[11:44] <ells> got a question for ya
[11:44] <DrSirLuminair> hey guys
 lunitik, that is a defeatist 'elistist' mentality and NOT welcome in #ubuntu !!
[11:44] <DrSirLuminair> thats the best thing Ive ever seen :)
[11:44] <quarupted> KING^^^,  do this sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[11:44] <DrSirLuminair> go non-elite linux! YEAH!
[11:44] <tritium> ells, okay
[11:44] <ells> tritium: my mp4 wont work o xmms
[11:45] <ells> not sure why
[11:45] <neighborlee> DrSirLuminair, well I could have been nice I  suppose but I can't stand the RTFM attitude.its reallly gets to me ;-)
[11:45] <ells> tritium: since the upgrade
[11:45] <dazed> Utnubu: i appreciate all the help i can get in the irc chat but again i dont agree with being spoon fed everythign about this amazing OS cuz if you dont learn it then people will just eventually expect it to be like the rest...so the part that makes this OS better than the rest that it takes time to learn
[11:45] <tritium> ells, oh, gosh
[11:45] <quarupted> neighborlee, Yea im the same way, its like its a help room, and people just go RTFM, its so annoying
[11:45] <ells> tritium: what are the plugins I need
[11:45] <ells> tritium: will check
[11:45] <mdke> i am really struggling with this problem! Any ideas welcome. When I restart my network device (either wifi or eth0) gnome goes crazy and I can't start programs like firefox, evolution, rhythmbox, gnome-terminal and system-tools. I also can't log out of gnome and it stalls when logging in. reboot sorts it. Any ideas? pleeease i'm getting desperate
[11:46] <jintxo> hey guys is there a way to get qt apps to look like the gtk theme i'm running? they really stick out a lot ...(specifically k3b in this case)
[11:46] <neighborlee> dazed, I suppose a decent mix is fair but helping is good too ;-)
[11:46] <FR500> mdke:  always been that way?
[11:46] <lunitik> neighborlee: you just haven't been helping random joes that don't want to learn long enough!
[11:46] <marsjays> what's the easiest way to get a working java developmet environment on a hoary system?
[11:46] <mdke> FR500, not just for the last couple of days
[11:46] <mdke> FR500, *no
[11:46] <FR500> hmmm
[11:46] <FR500> mdke:  what have you installed lately?
[11:47] <mdke> not a clue
[11:47] <dazed> neighborlee: dont get me wrong cuz im still a newb and a half myself i love the help i get here but stil i like how most people do it help you get started then make u figure out what ur doing so u remember it
[11:47] <neighborlee> dazed, sometimes total newbie can be grueling coming from windows and not having been much of a t echnie at that point...so helping is sometimes mandatory at that stage ..or at least nice ;-))
[11:47] <mdke> FR500, can't think of anything
[11:47] <eb0x> how do i unblacklist a port?
[11:47] <mdke> FR500, i need to try with a clean home directory i think, to confirm if its a bug or not
[11:47] <jintxo> mdke, maybe gnome can't resolve your hostname when you take the net down? is it in /etc/hosts? just a wild guess...
[11:47] <Utnubu> dazed, many people just want to use their pcs. That means browsing, writing emails, chatting. And not learning stuff and editing config files. Linux is pretty userfriendly but it could be better.
[11:47] <mdke> jintxo, aha interesting
[11:47] <neighborlee> dazed, ageed doing it helps to retain it...no arguement there ;-)
[11:47] <dazed> true...very true
[11:47] <mdke> jintxo, i haven't paid much attention to /etc/hosts actually
[11:48] <neighborlee> dain my spelling >>ageed/agreed < SIGH
[11:48] <neighborlee> lol
[11:48] <dazed> lol
[11:48] <quarupted> theres no k3b for warty?
[11:48] <[Spooky] > whats the name of the application that is like vnc ?
[11:48] <lunitik> quarupted: there is... its in universe
[11:48] <[Spooky] > that comes with ubuntu
[11:48] <neighborlee> quarupted, there is once you install kdelibs et c. <G>
[11:48] <lunitik> [Spooky] : vino?
[11:48] <jintxo> mdke, when you take down the net, can you ping your hostname afterwards? it may not have anything to do, but I remember older vesions of gnome (like 1.4 or so) that had these kinds of problems.
[11:48] <comunicaciones> Hi there, can you tell me which group i need to add an user to let it use esound?
[11:48] <mdke> jintxo, is it cool if I PM you my /etc/hosts
[11:49] <lunitik> comunicaciones: audio
[11:49] <dazed> i got onto linux because i configured my Winblows sooo much to be like linux that when i got on it i felt like i had been around here before that helped a lot i still have lots to learn but i came to linux to expand my computer knowledge and not have it halted on the limits of microsoft
[11:49] <comunicaciones> thanks
[11:49] <FR500> hmmm hoary doesnt get past Starting Hotplug after 1st stage of install
[11:49] <FR500> clues?
[11:49] <jintxo> mdke, that's fine I don't mind
[11:49] <comunicaciones> hmm
[11:49] <mdke> ty
[11:49] <lunitik> FR500: you have any USB things plugged in?
[11:49] <marsjays> i think i need the sun-j2sdk1.5debian package for hoary, where can i find it? (doesn't seem to be in the repositories i am using, i tried adding hoary multiverse but nothing happened)
[11:49] <FR500> not at all
[11:49] <comunicaciones> the user is added to audio group, it can use alsa as output but not esound
[11:49] <FR500> lunitik:  no
[11:49] <lunitik> marsjays: multiverse has that
[11:50] <lunitik> FR500: no idea why it would be having issues then
[11:50] <marsjays> lunitik: ok, i'll give it another try then.. thanks
[11:50] <[Spooky] > lunitik: no something else...
[11:50] <FR500> lunitik:  it's a laptop btw
[11:50] <FR500> froze again
[11:51] <lunitik> [Spooky] : wanna give me a hint?
[11:51] <comunicaciones> can you tell me which other group or permission is needed to let another user use esound ?
[11:51] <[Spooky] > lunitik: its under "Internet" in the default ubuntu install is it just VNC maybe ?
[11:51] <FR500> lunitik:  nevermind, got past now
[11:52] <lunitik> [Spooky] : gah... rdesktop's frontend tsclient
[11:52] <SidDithersL> ok can someone here help me with wpa_supplicant?
[11:52] <SidDithersL> I cant get it to accept my WPA-PSK
[11:52] <SidDithersL> and I need this laptop for school tomorrow :/
[11:52] <[Spooky] > lunitik: thanks :)
[11:53] <FR500> SidDithersL:  fixed the Rs problems?
[11:53] <FR500> *Rx
[11:53] <mdke> wb
[11:54] <SidDithersL> well, sort of
[11:54] <SidDithersL> I got the connection to work without encryption
[11:54] <jintxo_> mdke, gnoem worked fine after I took down the NIC I think your problem lies elsewhere, but no clue where...
[11:54] <SidDithersL> but I need it to work with WPA-PSK, and I got wpa_supplicant for that
[11:54] <mdke> jintxo_, i will try it with a clean home directory
[11:54] <FR500> SidDithersL:  yes, i remember, but i know u had Rx errors
[11:54] <SidDithersL> wpa_supplicant finds the SSID, but it wont take my PSK
[11:54] <FR500> if that is not fixed nothing will work
[11:54] <mdke> jintxo_, maybe i messed something up somewhere
[11:54] <SidDithersL> oh yeah, they went away. I dont know what happened
[11:54] <SidDithersL> it just started working
[11:54] <FR500> ok
[11:55] <meldroc> bbl
[11:55] <jintxo_> mdke, might be a good idea. maybne you can see if taking down your NIC results in some script being run that is messing up? just a thought
[11:55] <FR500> i dont have an AP or anything that uses wpa so i cant really help
[11:55] <quarupted> wow k3b broke
[11:55] <djp> hi all
[11:55] <SidDithersL> :/
[11:55] <FR500> dont know what wpa is now that i think about it
[11:55] <quarupted> whats the libs i need for kde to work on gtk?
[11:56] <djp> does anyone know if editing the xorg.conf file has any effect on curing the blue screen totem problem?
[11:56] <KING^^^> quarupted:
[11:56] <KING^^^> artur@ubuntu:/mnt $ cd d
[11:56] <KING^^^> bash: cd: d: Permission denied
[11:56] <KING^^^> why ?
[11:56] <KING^^^> in the others i can enter , c or f but d ...
[11:56] <FR500> hmmm my ap supports WPA after all
[11:56] <runokiab> hone: no problem, but If someones asks you can point him to the install cd menu
[11:57] <quarupted> Command 'kcmshell 'k3bsetup2'' not found.
[11:57] <djp> KING^^^: try with sudo
[11:57] <scizzo> KING^^^: ls -l d
[11:57] <quarupted> when i try k3bsetup?
[11:57] <KING^^^> doesn't work
[11:57] <FR500> but i'm affraid my pda wont be able to connect if i use it
[11:57] <scizzo> djp: totem blue screen?
[11:57] <scizzo> djp: when taking a screenshot?
[11:58] <bas> what happened to /etc/init.d/iptables? how can i make iptables save my config and reload after a reboot?
[11:58] <hone> runokiab: alright
[11:58] <hone> has anyone tried compiling the 2.6.8.1 kernel before?
[11:58] <SidDithersL> FR500, could you temporarily enable it?
[11:58] <djp> scizzo: basically open a file in totem and 9 time out of 10 it will be blue, if you restart totem everything is fine.
[11:58] <SidDithersL> just to see how you get it setup so I can copy it
[11:58] <FR500> SidDithersL:  i'm gonna do it
[11:58] <SidDithersL> awesome, thank you :)
[11:59] <scizzo> djp: hmmm
[11:59] <DrSirLuminair> athlon64 build quicky:  I have such a processor, is it a no-brainer to use the amd64 build?  I plan to use standard apps and play games, so if its unstable and not compatible with anything, I'll avoid it
[11:59] <djp> scizzo: it is not a huge issue but if there is a workaround that is common knowledge then i would give it a bash
[11:59] <scizzo> djp: what totem is it?