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| froud | African Greetings | 06:44 |
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| Burgundavia | hey | 06:53 |
| Burgundavia | haven't done that bittorrent stuff | 06:53 |
| Burgundavia | been busy | 06:53 |
| Burgundavia | will do tomorrow | 06:53 |
| froud | OK | 06:54 |
| froud | I'm sure you will fit it in somewhere | 06:54 |
| Burgundavia | ya | 06:54 |
| froud | If you find you have a problem, let us know and we will put it back out for adoption | 06:54 |
| Burgundavia | had a dnd convention today | 06:54 |
| froud | what's a dnd convention? | 06:58 |
| Burgundavia | dungeons and dragons | 06:58 |
| Burgundavia | roleplaying | 06:58 |
| froud | ah ha | 06:58 |
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| Kinnison | Morning | 09:17 |
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| egli | enrico: I'm reading the meeting notes. lol. Sean and Corey made up :-) | 10:09 |
| enrico | egli: yup yup! :) | 10:10 |
| egli | good to have froud back | 10:10 |
| egli | and good notes btw | 10:11 |
| enrico | egli: back, and super-active | 10:11 |
| enrico | egli: thanks | 10:11 |
| egli | seems like a trivial patch to yelp that tolef did | 10:11 |
| enrico | indeed. But I guess that wasn't easy to find | 10:12 |
| egli | seems like a lot of problems in yelp could be solved if you speak xsl | 10:12 |
| egli | maybe I should look at the source once. Maybe there is more of these one-liner fixes :-) | 10:12 |
| enrico | well, appearently there are not many other major issues to be fixed at the momnet | 10:13 |
| enrico | but you're always very welcome to look at yelp's code and find improvements! | 10:14 |
| egli | ah, too bad :-/. Yes, will try to look at it | 10:14 |
| egli | froud was talking about yelp issues. Apparently for these issues he wants to move to a html based solution | 10:15 |
| enrico | he's mainly worried about yelp-specific extensions to DocBook that would render our sources problematic with other viewers | 10:16 |
| egli | ah, ok. I understand. Probably makes soense | 10:18 |
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| jsgotangco | hello | 11:22 |
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| mdke | heh | 03:31 |
| mdke | welcome | 03:31 |
| mdke | new wiki page at GnomeMenuEditingHowTo, please add/correct etc :) | 04:15 |
| jjesse | grin thanks i too would love to be able edit the gnome menu as well | 04:16 |
| mdke | heh | 04:18 |
| mdke | it is not entirely easy | 04:18 |
| mdke | howto is copied from gnome.org | 04:18 |
| mdke | so you can trust it | 04:18 |
| mdke | hi jjesse btw we haven't met i don't think | 04:18 |
| mdke | i am matt | 04:18 |
| sivang | mdke: woo onice, I didn't know the menu editor was put back to 2.10 ? | 04:21 |
| mdke | 2.12 | 04:21 |
| mdke | :( | 04:21 |
| sivang | eh | 04:22 |
| sivang | the next development version? | 04:22 |
| mdke | yes there is no menu editor in 2.10 | 04:22 |
| mdke | unless some user writes one and submits it (see the ubuntu bug linked on that wiki page) | 04:22 |
| jjesse | i just joined the group | 04:26 |
| jjesse | my name is jonathan, posted once or twice on the mailing group | 04:26 |
| mdke | jjesse, yeah saw. I have also just joined. | 04:27 |
| mdke | am just wiki gardening atm | 04:27 |
| jjesse | grin i'm just trying to understand things right now :) | 04:27 |
| jjesse | i did one wiki on how to upgrade from warty to hoary: HoaryUpgradeNotes | 04:29 |
| mdke | ah cool | 04:30 |
| mdke | keep an eye on it because it may change as bugs are squashed | 04:30 |
| mdke | jjesse, i'm gonna add a quick item on the language-pack upgrade | 04:32 |
| mdke | useful wiki page that | 04:35 |
| mdke | jjesse, btw if you want numbered lists, you have to use 0., then 0. on the next line, then 0. (etc) | 04:35 |
| jjesse | ah thanks, it was the first wiki page i have done | 04:40 |
| jjesse | nod i am keeping an eye on it | 04:40 |
| jjesse | soon will upgrade other box to hoary and see if the experience chanages or improves | 04:40 |
| mdke | that will be a very useful wiki page | 04:40 |
| jjesse | thanks again | 04:40 |
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| jjesse | thanks mdke for the update | 05:01 |
| jjesse | and correcting my formating :) | 05:01 |
| mdke | np | 05:03 |
| mdke | i'm not great at formatting either | 05:03 |
| mdke | its a bit weird | 05:03 |
| mdke | and there is a huge bug with bullet points | 05:03 |
| mdke | but for guidance see HelpOnEditing | 05:03 |
| mdke | hi froud wb | 05:15 |
| jjesse | cool i'll checkout that page | 05:15 |
| froud | hey | 05:16 |
| mdke | :) | 05:17 |
| === froud is hacking docs | ||
| mdke | yay | 05:17 |
| mdke | froud, do you have time for a quick question? | 05:18 |
| === froud announces availability of KDE for Ubuntu Installation in https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/branches/froud/kubuntu | ||
| froud | mdke: yep | 05:18 |
| mdke | i am slightly confused about the structure of docs in yelp. if I open "help" in hoary, I get 4 options | 05:18 |
| froud | ok | 05:19 |
| mdke | but the sub-sections under those options are not organised in a logical way | 05:19 |
| mdke | is this temporary? | 05:19 |
| froud | you are right | 05:19 |
| froud | first problem is we need a top level category for ubuntu docs | 05:19 |
| mdke | +1 | 05:19 |
| froud | the order of the docs is auto | 05:19 |
| froud | :-) | 05:20 |
| mdke | but maybe the quickguide could go under applications | 05:20 |
| froud | I think one of the devs was looking at that | 05:20 |
| froud | I am not sure how to make categories | 05:20 |
| froud | but yes we can move it | 05:20 |
| mdke | at the moment it is really shocking: the quickguide and others are hidden under "other docs" | 05:20 |
| mdke | along with some really random stuff | 05:21 |
| froud | yes, that's why we want a top level | 05:21 |
| mdke | yeah totally | 05:21 |
| mdke | it'll get sorted out before release right? | 05:21 |
| froud | it was discussed during the meeting. | 05:21 |
| froud | enrico: needs to ping someone | 05:22 |
| mdke | heh | 05:22 |
| froud | mdke: btw if you want things to do you can feel free to start on the Admin Guide | 05:23 |
| froud | or any other doc for that matter | 05:24 |
| jjesse | is the admin guide even started? | 05:24 |
| === froud wonders if anyone read his post on round tripping | ||
| mdke | froud, at the moment i will stay on wiki pages. when my exams are finished, I will learn docbook and get involved | 05:24 |
| froud | There is an outline | 05:24 |
| froud | :-) no worries | 05:24 |
| jjesse | i guess i have just looked at the wikis so far, haven't had time to learn docbook | 05:25 |
| froud | It's easier than you think | 05:25 |
| mdke | heh | 05:25 |
| mdke | i have never used subversion either | 05:25 |
| mdke | i've installed it and will play with it | 05:25 |
| enrico | froud: my ping list is: | 05:26 |
| froud | Oh no, enrico wrote a good step by step that will help you then | 05:26 |
| jjesse | ive used cvs more then subversion they are similar? | 05:26 |
| enrico | froud: jdub for his reviewing of the quickguide | 05:26 |
| === froud goes off to find it | ||
| enrico | froud: jdub for putting the docs inthe yelp toc | 05:26 |
| froud | dong that's the one | 05:26 |
| enrico | I pinged him today, he said he's busy and he'll get back to me soonish | 05:26 |
| mdke | froud, yes i saw that | 05:27 |
| === froud comes back with ste-by-step http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DocteamStepByStepRepository | ||
| mdke | froud, its great | 05:27 |
| mdke | ciao enrico | 05:28 |
| froud | It's a transscript taken from 30 minutes teaching Liz | 05:28 |
| froud | btw where is our linux chick | 05:28 |
| froud | enrico: I am gonna see if I can convert FAQ Guide to DOCTYPE FAQ | 05:29 |
| enrico | froud: cool! | 05:30 |
| === enrico goes out to buy carrots and zucchini | ||
| mdke | lol | 05:31 |
| mdke | courgettes please! | 05:31 |
| froud | and coffee all round while you're at it | 05:31 |
| mdke | oh | 05:32 |
| mdke | i really need to buy some coffee | 05:32 |
| mdke | and a machine | 05:32 |
| mdke | the "i don't need coffee" idea is running a bit thin | 05:32 |
| froud | caffiene, nicotien and screen radition is all we need to live | 05:33 |
| mdke | hmm | 05:33 |
| mdke | not me | 05:33 |
| mdke | i need food | 05:33 |
| froud | food is a nusance | 05:34 |
| froud | hav eto get out from between the keyboard and the seat to take it | 05:34 |
| mdke | only to cook | 05:35 |
| mdke | eating in front of the computer is ok | 05:35 |
| mdke | 4 hands might be an advantage tho | 05:35 |
| froud | nah I am liable to spill ketup or something gross into the keyboard | 05:36 |
| mdke | lol | 05:36 |
| mdke | it happens... | 05:37 |
| froud | imagine mashed patatoe between the keys | 05:37 |
| froud | squish, squish for the next week | 05:37 |
| mdke | ouch | 05:37 |
| froud | Hey I am off to covert faq guide | 05:37 |
| froud | c ya later | 05:37 |
| mdke | bye | 05:38 |
| mdke | anyone know why the HowTo page was wiped? | 05:49 |
| froud | HowTo What? | 05:49 |
| mdke | the HowTo wiki page sorry | 05:49 |
| froud | nope never used it | 05:50 |
| mdke | looks like the last 10 diffs are all blank too | 05:50 |
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| mdke | last 20 | 05:50 |
| froud | perhaps it never was | 05:50 |
| mdke | apparently it was | 05:51 |
| mdke | weird | 05:51 |
| === froud goes back to porting | ||
| mdke | anyone all those upper level docs need some rehashing | 05:51 |
| mdke | wiki docs* | 05:51 |
| mdke | afk | 05:52 |
| froud | enrico: it's ok if I commit the change back to trunk right. I mean we decided not to ship ubuntu-faqguide | 06:05 |
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| enrico | froud: yes, I | 06:29 |
| enrico | froud: yes, I'd say go on | 06:29 |
| froud | k if it is a problem I will branch | 06:30 |
| enrico | froud: nono: that's not to be shipped with Hoary anyway | 06:30 |
| froud | k | 06:30 |
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| === froud announces that faq guide is not ported to use docbook q and a. HEAD is not valid yet. XREFs need to be fixed. Anyone wanting to have a stab at fixing it is welcome. I will pick it up again tomorrow. enjoy. | ||
| froud | opps is now | 07:42 |
| froud | oops is now | 07:42 |
| === froud needs sleep | ||
| froud | c ya later | 07:42 |
| mdke | night night | 07:42 |
| mdke | bbl | 07:49 |
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| jjesse | hey mat thanks for making more changes to my wiki post | 08:09 |
| mdke | eh? | 08:10 |
| mdke | i just changed it once | 08:10 |
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| jjesse | hmm someone else must have made some changes named mat as i just got two emails saying mat zimmerman just made changes | 08:13 |
| mdke | cool | 08:15 |
| mdke | jjesse, you get emails saying when people make changes? | 08:15 |
| mdke | matt z is basically the boss of ubuntu ;) | 08:15 |
| jjesse | grin | 08:15 |
| jjesse | nod i'm subscribed to the posts i have made on the wiki | 08:15 |
| mdke | hmm | 08:16 |
| jjesse | and it emails me when they get changed | 08:16 |
| mdke | jjesse, how do you do that? | 08:16 |
| jjesse | on the wiki there is a tab labeled "subscribe" | 08:16 |
| jjesse | and i can subscribe to the ones that i want to i guess | 08:17 |
| mdke | sm, in here shhhh | 08:17 |
| mdke | sm, i'm logged in | 08:17 |
| mdke | insufficient privileges | 08:17 |
| sm | hi all | 08:17 |
| mdke | jjesse, thanks | 08:17 |
| jjesse | np mdke | 08:17 |
| mdke | "subscribe to whole wiki" | 08:18 |
| sm | mdke: how about now ? don't forget to shift-reload, just in case cache interferes | 08:18 |
| jjesse | subscribe to that page should be on the left side? | 08:18 |
| mdke | jjesse, yeah | 08:19 |
| mdke | sm, still no | 08:19 |
| sm | still bad eh.. one sec | 08:19 |
| mdke | btw sm this is jjesse | 08:20 |
| mdke | :) | 08:20 |
| sm | should be ok now | 08:20 |
| sm | jjesse has infiltrated mdke's brain ? oh no | 08:20 |
| mdke | sm, bingo thanks | 08:20 |
| mdke | i mean, meet jjesse | 08:20 |
| sm | ah | 08:21 |
| sm | hello jjesse | 08:21 |
| sm | mdke: it's missing some info since we haven't enabled page rating | 08:21 |
| mdke | just as well ;) | 08:21 |
| sm | so you'll link those eh | 08:22 |
| mdke | erm | 08:22 |
| mdke | if you want me to i will | 08:22 |
| sm | does it make sense ? | 08:22 |
| sm | I think so | 08:22 |
| sm | otherwise we'll never remember them | 08:22 |
| mdke | ok | 08:22 |
| mdke | i've bookmarked em too | 08:22 |
| sm | and they're not too expensive if robots hit them | 08:23 |
| mdke | the pagesbyType one is very good | 08:23 |
| mdke | sm, the icons won't be long i think | 08:23 |
| sm | cool | 08:23 |
| mdke | i'll do some more now | 08:24 |
| sm | if you are doing a lot of editing you may want to try the fast skin and an external editor | 08:24 |
| sm | WikiTips | 08:24 |
| mdke | oh ok | 08:24 |
| mdke | i'll try | 08:24 |
| mdke | sm, is that zwiki theme you mean? | 08:25 |
| sm | yes | 08:25 |
| mdke | ok | 08:26 |
| mdke | sm, whats the difference? | 08:26 |
| mdke | oh i see | 08:27 |
| mdke | lol | 08:27 |
| sm | faster, & normal size fonts | 08:27 |
| mdke | brilliant | 08:27 |
| mdke | oh that's soooo much better | 08:27 |
| mdke | thanks | 08:27 |
| sm | you're welcome | 08:27 |
| mdke | omg that should be the only skin | 08:28 |
| mdke | brilliant | 08:29 |
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| sm | has anyone seen a doc for how to enable the full debian menu ? | 08:32 |
| mdke | erm | 08:35 |
| mdke | i saw it in a bug report | 08:35 |
| mdke | ;) | 08:35 |
| Kinnison | it's something like "apt-get install menu-xdg" but I could be wrong | 08:36 |
| mdke | maybe i will add it to https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GnomeMenuEditingHowTo | 08:36 |
| mdke | you can use applications:/// in nautilus for warty. Hoary/GNOME 2.10 will | 08:37 |
| mdke | probably not have a graphical editor. You can install menu/menu-xdg to have a | 08:37 |
| mdke | debian submenu with all the suff installed. | 08:37 |
| jjesse | grin ok i was gone for a bit did i miss anything :) | 08:38 |
| jjesse | and who got in my brain? | 08:39 |
| mdke | sm, in that skin on the wiki editing page, it links to HelpPage#editing. Is there any chance of getting that changed to HelpOnEditing? I will merge anything in HelpPage#editing into it, its just that that page doesn't explain moin, and is written in rst | 08:40 |
| mdke | or perhaps HelpPage would be better | 08:41 |
| sm | what about http://zwiki.org/editing | 08:49 |
| sm | that HelpPage is pretty old | 08:49 |
| sm | or http://zwiki.org/UsersGuide | 08:49 |
| sm | I'm not sure which is most appropriate | 08:49 |
| sm | oh the skin | 08:49 |
| sm | it needs to have some help right there, also, like on http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/squeak | 08:50 |
| sm | if someone would care to format a little table like that, I'll add it | 08:50 |
| sm | need one for each page type | 08:50 |
| sm | mdke: that would be good (debian menu notes) | 08:51 |
| sm | I'm surprised I haven't seen it anywhere | 08:51 |
| mdke | sm, sorry misunderstanding | 08:51 |
| mdke | sm, i wasn't very clear | 08:52 |
| mdke | sm, using that skin, when editing a page, there is a link at the bottom to HelpPage#editing | 08:52 |
| mdke | sm, but this page clashes a bit with HelpOnEditing | 08:53 |
| mdke | I suggest merging the two | 08:53 |
| mdke | sm, if the end result was to be moin, it would need a different link because the #editing part wouldn't work if i understand correctly | 08:53 |
| sm | yes | 08:53 |
| sm | I'll just point it to zwiki.org for now, how's that | 08:54 |
| mdke | you don't like HelponEditing? | 08:54 |
| mdke | maybe it needs some work | 08:54 |
| sm | oh I'm not seeing that.. one sec | 08:55 |
| sm | oh this.. I just added a comment | 08:55 |
| sm | that's fine, I'd include a prominent link to the zwiki doc also | 08:56 |
| mdke | ok kewl | 08:56 |
| sm | actually I can't easily change the editform link right now, without breaking skin switching | 08:56 |
| mdke | np | 08:56 |
| mdke | for now I will put a link on HelpPage | 08:56 |
| sm | but you could replace what's on HelpPage with something more useful | 08:57 |
| mdke | yeah ok | 08:57 |
| sm | maybe it should just be a short roadmap to docs | 08:57 |
| sm | HelpOnEditing, ZWiki:UsersGuide, OldZwikiHelpPage.. | 08:58 |
| mdke | the first few sections are good | 08:58 |
| mdke | do the ZWiki:* links work? kewl | 08:58 |
| mdke | just the formatting section is not good (because it refers to rst | 08:58 |
| sm | yeah.. http://zwiki.org/RemoteWikiLinks | 08:58 |
| sm | no, it refers to stx | 08:59 |
| sm | yes you're right | 08:59 |
| sm | if section 8 were redone, do you think the rest is ok for the ubuntu wiki ? | 08:59 |
| sm | it was really written for a non-plone zwiki | 08:59 |
| mdke | sure | 09:00 |
| sm | so I guess if we expand "You'll find more documentation at.." and replace section 8 it's ok | 09:01 |
| mdke | yeah that's what i'll do | 09:01 |
| mdke | thanks | 09:01 |
| sm | thx | 09:01 |
| mdke | and i need to investigate this external editor idea | 09:01 |
| sm | definitely | 09:01 |
| sm | well worth the setup hassle | 09:01 |
| jjesse | there is an external editor for the wiki? | 09:02 |
| jjesse | sorry that i chime in so random, busy debugging active directory group policy | 09:02 |
| sm | yes jjesse, http://zwiki.org/WikiTips | 09:02 |
| jjesse | you can call me jon or jonathan doesn't matter and it wouild be esier then jjesse | 09:03 |
| sm | sorry, I mean http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WikiTips | 09:03 |
| mdke | heh | 09:03 |
| mdke | you might not get the highlights | 09:03 |
| === sm .oO(wikiwikiwiki) | ||
| === mdke adds his name to highlights | ||
| sm | hi jon | 09:04 |
| sm | chat clients auto-complete your nick, and beep when it's typed, so whatever you choose is easiest | 09:04 |
| jjesse | oh cool, never really used much of irc beforfe | 09:05 |
| mdke | jjesse, if you're on xchat you can get it to beep for "jon" too | 09:05 |
| jjesse | ok, think i have it setup jon | 09:07 |
| jjesse | jjesse | 09:07 |
| jjesse | hmmm not working whne i do it | 09:07 |
| mdke | what are you using? | 09:08 |
| mdke | jjesse, does it work when i do it? | 09:08 |
| jjesse | yes | 09:08 |
| jjesse | cool | 09:08 |
| mdke | jon, what about now? | 09:09 |
| jjesse | yes worked as well | 09:09 |
| mdke | :) | 09:11 |
| mdke | sm, integrated your comment into HelpOnEditing, it looks more friendly now i hope :) thanks | 09:49 |
| sm | cool.. I removed the stx help from HelpPage | 09:52 |
| sm | want more feedback ? I might change PLEASE REMEMBER to please consider | 09:52 |
| sm | and is it worth mentioning the plone page creation method ? if so, why not include the page management form method as well | 09:53 |
| sm | page management form is the quickest and easiest imho | 09:53 |
| mdke | sm, 1. ok 2. dunno 3. ok | 09:54 |
| mdke | i guess people will use the plone method anyway | 09:55 |
| mdke | so i could cut it out | 09:55 |
| sm | eg | 09:56 |
| sm | - pick a suitable "parent page" for your topic; don't worry, you can change this later | 09:56 |
| sm | - scroll down to the bottom | 09:56 |
| sm | - enter your new page's name where it says "new parent, name, replacement, subtopic". A WikiName is preferred but not required | 09:56 |
| sm | - click create | 09:56 |
| sm | - enter some text to start your new page | 09:56 |
| sm | - click save | 09:56 |
| sm | re plone method, yes, we must stop them | 09:56 |
| mdke | lol | 09:56 |
| mdke | remove the link? | 09:56 |
| sm | but as long as the link remains, it will be used.. perhaps just a note saying it's a bad idea | 09:56 |
| mdke | ok will do | 09:56 |
| sm | I would, but there are technical difficulties with removing it just now | 09:56 |
| mdke | re: PLEASE REMEMBER, how about "please"? | 09:57 |
| sm | nice | 09:57 |
| mdke | otherwise going through the diff is annoying | 09:57 |
| sm | is it ? | 09:57 |
| === sm doesn't worry about log notes too much.. I agree they're nice when there | ||
| mdke | ok | 09:58 |
| sm | if it's an uninteresting change I sometimes don't bother | 09:58 |
| mdke | hang on a tic | 09:58 |
| sm | "minor edit".. "minor edit".. "minor edit" | 09:58 |
| mdke | yeah me neither, in the diff a minor change is easy to spot | 09:59 |
| mdke | the page management method you've described there is different to the one on zwiki.org/editing | 09:59 |
| sm | is it, how so ? | 09:59 |
| mdke | oh no maybe not | 09:59 |
| sm | yeah, zwiki's has an extra step | 09:59 |
| sm | which we don't need to worry about here.. it's always enabled | 09:59 |
| mdke | Zwiki quick method: use page management form (Zwiki sites only) | 09:59 |
| mdke | 1. Click options at top left and configure a username, if you haven't already | 09:59 |
| mdke | 2. Click full at top right | 09:59 |
| mdke | 3. Open http://zwiki.org/SandBox in another window. | 09:59 |
| mdke | 4. In the grey page management form at the very bottom of the page, enter a name for your page. Eg your name without spaces. | 09:59 |
| mdke | 5. Click the create button | 09:59 |
| mdke | 6. Click the create button again. | 09:59 |
| mdke | yours is better | 10:00 |
| sm | they're both mine :) | 10:00 |
| mdke | lol | 10:01 |
| sm | actually on ubuntu wiki, if someone switches to zwiki skin in minimal or simple modes, the page managementform is not visible | 10:01 |
| mdke | your latest offering :) | 10:01 |
| sm | too many details :/ | 10:01 |
| mdke | hmm | 10:01 |
| mdke | but then most users reading that page don't use that | 10:01 |
| mdke | maybe? | 10:01 |
| sm | right | 10:01 |
| mdke | anyway I will note that | 10:01 |
| sm | nah I wouldn't.. they will be consuded | 10:02 |
| sm | confused, even | 10:02 |
| mdke | "0. Page Management Method (not available if you use the zwiki minimal or simple skin)"? | 10:02 |
| sm | I think newcomers to the wiki shouldn't even have to know about different skins | 10:03 |
| mdke | yeah ok | 10:03 |
| mdke | fair enough | 10:03 |
| sm | hard to document it simply :/ | 10:03 |
| mdke | its not really user friendly enough | 10:03 |
| sm | if it were up to me, I would use the zwiki skin in full mode with perhaps some more ubuntu styling | 10:04 |
| sm | always | 10:04 |
| mdke | yes | 10:05 |
| mdke | it appears not to have the bullet pointing bug too, although i haven't doublechecked | 10:05 |
| mdke | ok modified | 10:07 |
| mdke | thanks again | 10:07 |
| sm | nice job mdke | 10:11 |
| sm | how about 1. Make a link, 2. Use page management form | 10:12 |
| mdke | k | 10:12 |
| mdke | sm, you mean as titles? | 10:12 |
| sm | yes | 10:12 |
| sm | under There are two main ways to create a page: | 10:13 |
| mdke | sm, sure will do. | 10:13 |
| mdke | sm, can you do me a favour: go to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ODiaADiaComOUbuntu | 10:13 |
| mdke | check out the first two bullet points under the third heading | 10:13 |
| mdke | can i avoid this? | 10:13 |
| sm | eh, avoid what ? | 10:14 |
| mdke | that ? in the middle of the title | 10:15 |
| mdke | they should be wikilinks but are not | 10:15 |
| sm | oh, NetworkPrinting?2Win2K, sure | 10:15 |
| sm | you have to enclose it in [] , because we don't consider numbers in the middle to be a valid WikiName | 10:15 |
| sm | only at the end, as a special case | 10:16 |
| mdke | ok | 10:16 |
| sm | NetworkPrintingToWindows2000 ? | 10:16 |
| mdke | fine | 10:16 |
| mdke | NetworkPrintingFromWin2K seems to be the only valid link anyway | 10:17 |
| mdke | sm, does the zwiki skin have an option to show backlinks | 10:19 |
| sm | always list them on the main page ? | 10:20 |
| mdke | no just to find them out | 10:20 |
| sm | sure, click title | 10:20 |
| sm | or alt b | 10:20 |
| sm | or the "backlinks" in full more | 10:21 |
| mdke | doh | 10:21 |
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| mdke | ty | 10:22 |
| mdke | i feel terrible for taking up so much of your time | 10:22 |
| sm | don't | 10:23 |
| sm | this is one way I can help effectively.. if I get busy I'll answer more slowly :) | 10:24 |
| mdke | ty | 10:24 |
| sm | my bad.. there is no backlinks link these days | 10:46 |
| sm | just the title | 10:46 |
| sm | see you | 10:46 |
| mdke | there is | 10:46 |
| mdke | works fine | 10:47 |
| sm | I mean in zwiki skin | 10:47 |
| mdke | sure | 10:47 |
| mdke | title links to it | 10:47 |
| sm | right, that's it | 10:47 |
| mdke | its very useful | 10:47 |
| sm | I thought there was a little "backlinks" as well | 10:47 |
| mdke | oh i c what you mean | 10:47 |
| mdke | np | 10:47 |
| sm | but that would be.. superfluous | 10:47 |
| mdke | ;) | 10:47 |
| mdke | is x-zope-edit packaged for ubuntu? | 10:51 |
| sm | zope-externaleditor | 10:53 |
| sm | if you have time, please note that where others will find it | 10:54 |
| mdke | sure | 10:54 |
| mdke | is there a difference between zopeedit, zope-externaleditor? | 10:55 |
| sm | ah, yes there is | 10:55 |
| sm | I gave you: This package contains the product which is needed on the machine | 10:55 |
| sm | zopeedit is the one you want | 10:56 |
| mdke | k cool | 10:56 |
| mdke | i always forget to scroll all the way down ;) | 10:56 |
| sm | seems to be not in ubuntu :/ | 10:57 |
| sm | I guess zope in general isn't | 10:58 |
| mdke | its there | 10:58 |
| mdke | there's billions of zope packages | 10:58 |
| mdke | [universe] | 10:59 |
| sm | right, just not ubuntu proper | 11:02 |
| mdke | yeah | 11:02 |
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| mdke | sm, still awake? | 11:58 |
| sm | just about | 11:58 |
| sm | I replied | 11:58 |
| mdke | to mine? | 11:58 |
| sm | yup | 11:59 |
| mdke | did you see mary's email? there is a question in the last paragraph that you might be able to answer | 11:59 |
| mdke | haven't got yours yet | 11:59 |
| sm | subject ? | 11:59 |
| mdke | Re: Rehashing wikis | 12:00 |
| mdke | what did you reply to? | 12:00 |
| sm | strange, haven't got that one yet | 12:00 |
| sm | I replied to you in that thread | 12:01 |
| mdke | weird | 12:01 |
| sm | I subscribe to gmane, not the list, maybe a lag | 12:01 |
| mdke | do timezones affect when emails are delivered? | 12:01 |
| mdke | i'll paste her question | 12:01 |
| sm | in fact gmane has been a little slow today | 12:01 |
| mdke | I'm not all that familiar with the current wiki software, but is there | 12:02 |
| mdke | any place you can store draft pages? (Some people do this on their user | 12:02 |
| mdke | pagei on some wikis.) The best way to get this kind of feedback might be | 12:02 |
| mdke | to do a draft and solicit either feedback or more people to come in and | 12:02 |
| mdke | change things. | 12:02 |
| sm | sure, just create it under your home page | 12:02 |
| sm | and call it SomethingDraft if you like | 12:02 |
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