[06:44] <froud> African Greetings
[06:53] <Burgundavia> hey
[06:53] <Burgundavia> haven't done that bittorrent stuff
[06:53] <Burgundavia> been busy
[06:53] <Burgundavia> will do tomorrow
[06:54] <froud> OK
[06:54] <froud> I'm sure you will fit it in somewhere
[06:54] <Burgundavia> ya
[06:54] <froud> If you find you have a problem, let us know and we will put it back out for adoption
[06:54] <Burgundavia> had a dnd convention today
[06:58] <froud> what's a dnd convention?
[06:58] <Burgundavia> dungeons and dragons
[06:58] <Burgundavia> roleplaying
[06:58] <froud> ah ha
[09:17] <Kinnison> Morning
[10:09] <egli> enrico: I'm reading the meeting notes. lol. Sean and Corey made up :-)
[10:10] <enrico> egli: yup yup! :)
[10:10] <egli> good to have froud back
[10:11] <egli> and good notes btw
[10:11] <enrico> egli: back, and super-active
[10:11] <enrico> egli: thanks
[10:11] <egli> seems like a trivial patch to yelp that tolef did
[10:12] <enrico> indeed.  But I guess that wasn't easy to find
[10:12] <egli> seems like a lot of problems in yelp could be solved if you speak xsl
[10:12] <egli> maybe I should look at the source once. Maybe there is more of these one-liner fixes :-)
[10:13] <enrico> well, appearently there are not many other major issues to be fixed at the momnet
[10:14] <enrico> but you're always very welcome to look at yelp's code and find improvements!
[10:14] <egli> ah, too bad :-/. Yes, will try to look at it
[10:15] <egli> froud was talking about yelp issues. Apparently for these issues he wants to move to a html based solution
[10:16] <enrico> he's mainly worried about yelp-specific extensions to DocBook that would render our sources problematic with other viewers
[10:18] <egli> ah, ok. I understand. Probably makes soense
[11:22] <jsgotangco> hello
[03:31] <mdke> heh
[03:31] <mdke> welcome
[04:15] <mdke> new wiki page at GnomeMenuEditingHowTo, please add/correct etc :)
[04:16] <jjesse> grin thanks i too would love to be able edit the gnome menu as well
[04:18] <mdke> heh
[04:18] <mdke> it is not entirely easy
[04:18] <mdke> howto is copied from gnome.org
[04:18] <mdke> so you can trust it
[04:18] <mdke> hi jjesse btw we haven't met i don't think
[04:18] <mdke> i am matt
[04:21] <sivang> mdke: woo onice, I didn't know the menu editor was put back to 2.10 ?
[04:21] <mdke> 2.12
[04:21] <mdke> :(
[04:22] <sivang> eh
[04:22] <sivang> the next development version?
[04:22] <mdke> yes there is no menu editor in 2.10
[04:22] <mdke> unless some user writes one and submits it (see the ubuntu bug linked on that wiki page)
[04:26] <jjesse> i just joined the group
[04:26] <jjesse> my name is jonathan, posted once or twice on the mailing group
[04:27] <mdke> jjesse, yeah saw. I have also just joined.
[04:27] <mdke> am just wiki gardening atm
[04:27] <jjesse> grin i'm just trying to understand things right now :)
[04:29] <jjesse> i did one wiki on how to upgrade from warty to hoary: HoaryUpgradeNotes
[04:30] <mdke> ah cool
[04:30] <mdke> keep an eye on it because it may change as bugs are squashed
[04:32] <mdke> jjesse, i'm gonna add a quick item on the language-pack upgrade
[04:35] <mdke> useful wiki page that
[04:35] <mdke> jjesse, btw if you want numbered lists, you have to use 0., then 0. on the next line, then 0. (etc)
[04:40] <jjesse> ah thanks, it was the first wiki page i have done
[04:40] <jjesse> nod i am keeping an eye on it
[04:40] <jjesse> soon will upgrade other box to hoary and see if the experience chanages or improves
[04:40] <mdke> that will be a very useful wiki page
[04:40] <jjesse> thanks again
[05:01] <jjesse> thanks mdke for the update
[05:01] <jjesse> and correcting my formating :)
[05:03] <mdke> np
[05:03] <mdke> i'm not great at formatting either
[05:03] <mdke> its a bit weird
[05:03] <mdke> and there is a huge bug with bullet points
[05:03] <mdke> but for guidance see HelpOnEditing
[05:15] <mdke> hi froud wb
[05:15] <jjesse> cool i'll checkout that page
[05:16] <froud> hey
[05:17] <mdke> :)
[05:17] <mdke> yay
[05:18] <mdke> froud, do you have time for a quick question?
[05:18] <froud> mdke: yep
[05:18] <mdke> i am slightly confused about the structure of docs in yelp. if I open "help" in hoary, I get 4 options
[05:19] <froud> ok
[05:19] <mdke> but the sub-sections under those options are not organised in a logical way
[05:19] <mdke> is this temporary?
[05:19] <froud> you are right
[05:19] <froud> first problem is we need a top level category for ubuntu docs
[05:19] <mdke> +1
[05:19] <froud> the order of the docs is auto 
[05:20] <froud> :-)
[05:20] <mdke> but maybe the quickguide could go under applications
[05:20] <froud> I think one of the devs was looking at that
[05:20] <froud> I am not sure how to make categories
[05:20] <froud> but yes we can move it
[05:20] <mdke> at the moment it is really shocking: the quickguide and others are hidden under "other docs"
[05:21] <mdke> along with some really random stuff
[05:21] <froud> yes, that's why we want a top level
[05:21] <mdke> yeah totally
[05:21] <mdke> it'll get sorted out before release right?
[05:21] <froud> it was discussed during the meeting.
[05:22] <froud> enrico: needs to ping someone
[05:22] <mdke> heh
[05:23] <froud> mdke: btw if you want things to do you can feel free to start on the Admin Guide
[05:24] <froud> or any other doc for that matter
[05:24] <jjesse> is the admin guide even started?
[05:24] <mdke> froud, at the moment i will stay on wiki pages. when my exams are finished, I will learn docbook and get involved
[05:24] <froud> There is an outline
[05:24] <froud> :-) no worries
[05:25] <jjesse> i guess i have just looked at the wikis so far, haven't had time to learn docbook
[05:25] <froud> It's easier than you think
[05:25] <mdke> heh
[05:25] <mdke> i have never used subversion either
[05:25] <mdke> i've installed it and will play with it
[05:26] <enrico> froud: my ping list is:
[05:26] <froud> Oh no, enrico wrote a good step by step that will help you then
[05:26] <jjesse> ive used cvs more then subversion they are similar?
[05:26] <enrico> froud: jdub for his reviewing of the quickguide
[05:26] <enrico> froud: jdub for putting the docs inthe yelp toc
[05:26] <froud> dong that's the one
[05:26] <enrico> I pinged him today, he said he's busy and he'll get back to me soonish
[05:27] <mdke> froud, yes i saw that
[05:27] <mdke> froud, its great
[05:28] <mdke> ciao enrico 
[05:28] <froud> It's a transscript taken from 30 minutes teaching Liz
[05:28] <froud> btw where is our linux chick
[05:29] <froud> enrico: I am gonna see if I can convert FAQ Guide to DOCTYPE FAQ
[05:30] <enrico> froud: cool!
[05:31] <mdke> lol
[05:31] <mdke> courgettes please!
[05:31] <froud> and coffee all round while you're at it
[05:32] <mdke> oh
[05:32] <mdke> i really need to buy some coffee
[05:32] <mdke> and a machine
[05:32] <mdke> the "i don't need coffee" idea is running a bit thin
[05:33] <froud> caffiene, nicotien and screen radition is all we need to live
[05:33] <mdke> hmm
[05:33] <mdke> not me
[05:33] <mdke> i need food
[05:34] <froud> food is a nusance
[05:34] <froud> hav eto get out from between the keyboard and the seat to take it
[05:35] <mdke> only to cook
[05:35] <mdke> eating in front of the computer is ok
[05:35] <mdke> 4 hands might be an advantage tho
[05:36] <froud> nah I am liable to spill ketup or something gross into the keyboard
[05:36] <mdke> lol
[05:37] <mdke> it happens...
[05:37] <froud> imagine mashed patatoe between the keys
[05:37] <froud> squish, squish for the next week
[05:37] <mdke> ouch
[05:37] <froud> Hey I am off to covert faq guide
[05:37] <froud> c ya later
[05:38] <mdke> bye
[05:49] <mdke> anyone know why the HowTo page was wiped?
[05:49] <froud> HowTo What?
[05:49] <mdke> the HowTo wiki page sorry
[05:50] <froud> nope never used it
[05:50] <mdke> looks like the last 10 diffs are all blank too
[05:50] <mdke> last 20
[05:50] <froud> perhaps it never was
[05:51] <mdke> apparently it was
[05:51] <mdke> weird
[05:51] <mdke> anyone all those upper level docs need some rehashing
[05:51] <mdke> wiki docs*
[05:52] <mdke> afk
[06:05] <froud> enrico: it's ok if I commit the change back to trunk right. I mean we decided not to ship ubuntu-faqguide
[06:29] <enrico> froud: yes, I
[06:29] <enrico> froud: yes, I'd say go on
[06:30] <froud> k if it is a problem I will branch
[06:30] <enrico> froud: nono: that's not to be shipped with Hoary anyway
[06:30] <froud> k
[07:42] <froud> opps is now
[07:42] <froud> oops is now
[07:42] <froud> c ya later
[07:42] <mdke> night night
[07:49] <mdke> bbl
[08:09] <jjesse> hey mat thanks for making more changes to my wiki post
[08:10] <mdke> eh?
[08:10] <mdke> i just changed it once
[08:13] <jjesse> hmm someone else must have made some changes named mat as i just got two emails saying mat zimmerman just made changes
[08:15] <mdke> cool
[08:15] <mdke> jjesse, you get emails saying when people make changes?
[08:15] <mdke> matt z is basically the boss of ubuntu ;)
[08:15] <jjesse> grin
[08:15] <jjesse> nod i'm subscribed to the posts i have made on the wiki
[08:16] <mdke> hmm
[08:16] <jjesse> and it emails me when they get changed
[08:16] <mdke> jjesse, how do you do that?
[08:16] <jjesse> on the wiki there is a tab labeled "subscribe"
[08:17] <jjesse> and i can subscribe to the ones that i want to i guess
[08:17] <mdke> sm, in here shhhh
[08:17] <mdke> sm, i'm logged in
[08:17] <mdke> insufficient privileges
[08:17] <sm> hi all
[08:17] <mdke> jjesse, thanks
[08:17] <jjesse> np mdke
[08:18] <mdke> "subscribe to whole wiki"
[08:18] <sm> mdke: how about now ? don't forget to shift-reload, just in case cache interferes
[08:18] <jjesse> subscribe to that page should be on the left side?
[08:19] <mdke> jjesse, yeah
[08:19] <mdke> sm, still no
[08:19] <sm> still bad eh.. one sec
[08:20] <mdke> btw sm this is jjesse 
[08:20] <mdke> :)
[08:20] <sm> should be ok now
[08:20] <sm> jjesse has infiltrated mdke's brain ? oh no
[08:20] <mdke> sm, bingo thanks
[08:20] <mdke> i mean, meet jjesse 
[08:21] <sm> ah
[08:21] <sm> hello jjesse
[08:21] <sm> mdke: it's missing some info since we haven't enabled page rating
[08:21] <mdke> just as well ;)
[08:22] <sm> so you'll link those eh
[08:22] <mdke> erm
[08:22] <mdke> if you want me to i will
[08:22] <sm> does it make sense ?
[08:22] <sm> I think so
[08:22] <sm> otherwise we'll never remember them
[08:22] <mdke> ok
[08:22] <mdke> i've bookmarked em too
[08:23] <sm> and they're not too expensive if robots hit them
[08:23] <mdke> the pagesbyType one is very good
[08:23] <mdke> sm, the icons won't be long i think
[08:23] <sm> cool
[08:24] <mdke> i'll do some more now
[08:24] <sm> if you are doing a lot of editing you may want to try the fast skin and an external editor
[08:24] <sm> WikiTips
[08:24] <mdke> oh ok
[08:24] <mdke> i'll try
[08:25] <mdke> sm, is that zwiki theme you mean?
[08:25] <sm> yes
[08:26] <mdke> ok
[08:26] <mdke> sm, whats the difference?
[08:27] <mdke> oh i see
[08:27] <mdke> lol
[08:27] <sm> faster, & normal size fonts
[08:27] <mdke> brilliant
[08:27] <mdke> oh that's soooo much better
[08:27] <mdke> thanks
[08:27] <sm> you're welcome
[08:28] <mdke> omg that should be the only skin
[08:29] <mdke> brilliant
[08:32] <sm> has anyone seen a doc for how to enable the full debian menu ?
[08:35] <mdke> erm
[08:35] <mdke> i saw it in a bug report
[08:35] <mdke> ;)
[08:36] <Kinnison> it's something like "apt-get install menu-xdg" but I could be wrong
[08:36] <mdke> maybe i will add it to https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GnomeMenuEditingHowTo
[08:37] <mdke> you can use applications:/// in nautilus for warty. Hoary/GNOME 2.10 will
[08:37] <mdke> probably not have a graphical editor. You can install menu/menu-xdg to have a
[08:37] <mdke> debian submenu with all the suff installed.
[08:38] <jjesse> grin ok i was gone for a bit did i miss anything :)
[08:39] <jjesse> and who got in my brain?
[08:40] <mdke> sm, in that skin on the wiki editing page, it links to HelpPage#editing. Is there any chance of getting that changed to HelpOnEditing? I will merge anything in HelpPage#editing into it, its just that that page doesn't explain moin, and is written in rst
[08:41] <mdke> or perhaps HelpPage would be better
[08:49] <sm> what about http://zwiki.org/editing
[08:49] <sm> that HelpPage is pretty old
[08:49] <sm> or http://zwiki.org/UsersGuide
[08:49] <sm> I'm not sure which is most appropriate
[08:49] <sm> oh the skin
[08:50] <sm> it needs to have some help right there, also, like on http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/squeak
[08:50] <sm> if someone would care to format a little table like that, I'll add it
[08:50] <sm> need one for each page type
[08:51] <sm> mdke: that would be good (debian menu notes)
[08:51] <sm> I'm surprised I haven't seen it anywhere
[08:51] <mdke> sm, sorry misunderstanding
[08:52] <mdke> sm, i wasn't very clear
[08:52] <mdke> sm, using that skin, when editing a page, there is a link at the bottom to HelpPage#editing
[08:53] <mdke> sm, but this page clashes a bit with HelpOnEditing
[08:53] <mdke> I suggest merging the two
[08:53] <mdke> sm, if the end result was to be moin, it would need a different link because the #editing part wouldn't work if i understand correctly
[08:53] <sm> yes
[08:54] <sm> I'll just point it to zwiki.org for now, how's that
[08:54] <mdke> you don't like HelponEditing?
[08:54] <mdke> maybe it needs some work
[08:55] <sm> oh I'm not seeing that.. one sec
[08:55] <sm> oh this.. I just added a comment
[08:56] <sm> that's fine, I'd include a prominent link to the zwiki doc also
[08:56] <mdke> ok kewl
[08:56] <sm> actually I can't easily change the editform link right now, without breaking skin switching
[08:56] <mdke> np
[08:56] <mdke> for now I will put a link on HelpPage
[08:57] <sm> but you could replace what's on HelpPage with something more useful
[08:57] <mdke> yeah ok
[08:57] <sm> maybe it should just be a short roadmap to docs
[08:58] <sm> HelpOnEditing, ZWiki:UsersGuide, OldZwikiHelpPage..
[08:58] <mdke> the first few sections are good
[08:58] <mdke> do the ZWiki:* links work? kewl
[08:58] <mdke> just the formatting section is not good (because it refers to rst
[08:58] <sm> yeah.. http://zwiki.org/RemoteWikiLinks
[08:59] <sm> no, it refers to stx
[08:59] <sm> yes you're right
[08:59] <sm> if section 8 were redone, do you think the rest is ok for the ubuntu wiki ?
[08:59] <sm> it was really written for a non-plone zwiki
[09:00] <mdke> sure
[09:01] <sm> so I guess if we expand "You'll find more documentation at.." and replace section 8 it's ok
[09:01] <mdke> yeah that's what i'll do
[09:01] <mdke> thanks
[09:01] <sm> thx
[09:01] <mdke> and i need to investigate this external editor idea
[09:01] <sm> definitely
[09:01] <sm> well worth the setup hassle
[09:02] <jjesse> there is an external editor for the wiki?
[09:02] <jjesse> sorry that i chime in so random, busy debugging active directory group policy
[09:02] <sm> yes jjesse, http://zwiki.org/WikiTips
[09:03] <jjesse> you can call me jon or jonathan doesn't matter and it wouild be esier then jjesse
[09:03] <sm> sorry, I mean http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WikiTips
[09:03] <mdke> heh
[09:03] <mdke> you might not get the highlights
[09:04] <sm> hi jon
[09:04] <sm> chat clients auto-complete your nick, and beep when it's typed, so whatever you  choose is easiest
[09:05] <jjesse> oh cool, never really used much of irc beforfe
[09:05] <mdke> jjesse, if you're on xchat you can get it to beep for "jon" too
[09:07] <jjesse> ok, think i have it setup jon
[09:07] <jjesse> jjesse
[09:07] <jjesse> hmmm not working whne i do it
[09:08] <mdke> what are you using?
[09:08] <mdke> jjesse, does it work when i do it?
[09:08] <jjesse> yes
[09:08] <jjesse> cool
[09:09] <mdke> jon, what about now?
[09:09] <jjesse> yes worked as well
[09:11] <mdke> :)
[09:49] <mdke> sm, integrated your comment into HelpOnEditing, it looks more friendly now i hope :) thanks
[09:52] <sm> cool.. I removed the stx help from HelpPage
[09:52] <sm> want more feedback ? I might change PLEASE REMEMBER to please consider
[09:53] <sm> and is it worth mentioning the plone page creation method ? if so, why not include the page management form method as well
[09:53] <sm> page management form is the quickest and easiest imho
[09:54] <mdke> sm, 1. ok 2. dunno 3. ok
[09:55] <mdke> i guess people will use the plone method anyway
[09:55] <mdke> so i could cut it out
[09:56] <sm> eg
[09:56] <sm> - pick a suitable "parent page" for your topic; don't worry, you can change this later
[09:56] <sm> - scroll down to the bottom
[09:56] <sm> - enter your new page's name where it says "new parent, name, replacement, subtopic". A WikiName is preferred but not required
[09:56] <sm> - click create
[09:56] <sm> - enter some text to start your new page
[09:56] <sm> - click save
[09:56] <sm> re plone method, yes, we must stop them
[09:56] <mdke> lol
[09:56] <mdke> remove the link?
[09:56] <sm> but as long as the link remains, it will be used.. perhaps just a note saying it's a bad idea
[09:56] <mdke> ok will do
[09:56] <sm> I would, but there are technical difficulties with removing it just now
[09:57] <mdke> re: PLEASE REMEMBER, how about "please"?
[09:57] <sm> nice
[09:57] <mdke> otherwise going through the diff is annoying
[09:57] <sm> is it ?
[09:58] <mdke> ok
[09:58] <sm> if it's an uninteresting change I sometimes don't bother
[09:58] <mdke> hang on a tic
[09:58] <sm> "minor edit".. "minor edit".. "minor edit"
[09:59] <mdke> yeah me neither, in the diff a minor change is easy to spot
[09:59] <mdke> the page management method you've described there is different to the one on zwiki.org/editing
[09:59] <sm> is it, how so ?
[09:59] <mdke> oh no maybe not
[09:59] <sm> yeah, zwiki's has an extra step
[09:59] <sm> which we don't need to worry about here.. it's always enabled
[09:59] <mdke>  Zwiki quick method: use page management form (Zwiki sites only)
[09:59] <mdke>    1. Click options at top left and configure a username, if you haven't already
[09:59] <mdke>    2. Click full at top right
[09:59] <mdke>    3. Open http://zwiki.org/SandBox in another window.
[09:59] <mdke>    4. In the grey page management form at the very bottom of the page, enter a name for your page. Eg your name without spaces.
[09:59] <mdke>    5. Click the create button
[09:59] <mdke>    6. Click the create button again.
[10:00] <mdke> yours is better
[10:00] <sm> they're both mine :)
[10:01] <mdke> lol
[10:01] <sm> actually on ubuntu wiki, if someone switches to zwiki skin in minimal or simple modes, the page managementform is not visible
[10:01] <mdke> your latest offering :)
[10:01] <sm> too many details :/
[10:01] <mdke> hmm
[10:01] <mdke> but then most users reading that page don't use that
[10:01] <mdke> maybe?
[10:01] <sm> right
[10:01] <mdke> anyway I will note that
[10:02] <sm> nah I wouldn't.. they will be consuded
[10:02] <sm> confused, even
[10:02] <mdke> "0. Page Management Method (not available if you use the zwiki minimal or simple skin)"?
[10:03] <sm> I think newcomers to the wiki shouldn't even have to know about different skins
[10:03] <mdke> yeah ok
[10:03] <mdke> fair enough
[10:03] <sm> hard to document it simply :/
[10:03] <mdke> its not really user friendly enough
[10:04] <sm> if it were up to me, I would use the zwiki skin in full mode with perhaps some more ubuntu styling
[10:04] <sm> always
[10:05] <mdke> yes
[10:05] <mdke> it appears not to have the bullet pointing bug too, although i haven't doublechecked
[10:07] <mdke> ok modified
[10:07] <mdke> thanks again
[10:11] <sm> nice job mdke
[10:12] <sm> how about 1. Make a link, 2. Use page management form
[10:12] <mdke> k
[10:12] <mdke> sm, you mean as titles?
[10:12] <sm> yes
[10:13] <sm> under  There are two main ways to create a page:
[10:13] <mdke> sm, sure will do.
[10:13] <mdke> sm, can you do me a favour: go to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ODiaADiaComOUbuntu
[10:13] <mdke> check out the first two bullet points under the third heading
[10:13] <mdke> can i avoid this?
[10:14] <sm> eh, avoid what ?
[10:15] <mdke> that ? in the middle of the title
[10:15] <mdke> they should be wikilinks but are not
[10:15] <sm> oh, NetworkPrinting?2Win2K, sure
[10:15] <sm> you have to enclose it in [] , because we don't consider numbers in the middle to be a valid WikiName
[10:16] <sm> only at the end, as a special case
[10:16] <mdke> ok
[10:16] <sm> NetworkPrintingToWindows2000 ?
[10:16] <mdke> fine
[10:17] <mdke> NetworkPrintingFromWin2K seems to be the only valid link anyway
[10:19] <mdke> sm, does the zwiki skin have an option to show backlinks
[10:20] <sm> always list them on the main page ?
[10:20] <mdke> no just to find them out
[10:20] <sm> sure, click title
[10:20] <sm> or alt b
[10:21] <sm> or the "backlinks" in full more
[10:21] <mdke> doh
[10:22] <mdke> ty
[10:22] <mdke> i feel terrible for taking up so much of your time
[10:23] <sm> don't
[10:24] <sm> this is one way I can help effectively.. if I get busy I'll answer more slowly :)
[10:24] <mdke> ty
[10:46] <sm> my bad.. there is no backlinks link these days
[10:46] <sm> just the title
[10:46] <sm> see you
[10:46] <mdke> there is
[10:47] <mdke> works fine
[10:47] <sm> I mean in zwiki skin
[10:47] <mdke> sure
[10:47] <mdke> title links to it
[10:47] <sm> right, that's it
[10:47] <mdke> its very useful
[10:47] <sm> I thought there was a little "backlinks" as well
[10:47] <mdke> oh i c what you mean
[10:47] <mdke> np
[10:47] <sm> but that would be.. superfluous
[10:47] <mdke> ;)
[10:51] <mdke> is x-zope-edit packaged for ubuntu?
[10:53] <sm> zope-externaleditor
[10:54] <sm> if you have time, please note that where others will find it
[10:54] <mdke> sure
[10:55] <mdke> is there a difference between zopeedit, zope-externaleditor?
[10:55] <sm> ah, yes there is
[10:55] <sm> I gave you: This package contains the product which is needed on the machine
[10:56] <sm> zopeedit is the one you want
[10:56] <mdke> k cool
[10:56] <mdke> i always forget to scroll all the way down ;)
[10:57] <sm> seems to be not in ubuntu :/
[10:58] <sm> I guess zope in general isn't
[10:58] <mdke> its there
[10:58] <mdke> there's billions of zope packages
[10:59] <mdke> [universe] 
[11:02] <sm> right, just not ubuntu proper
[11:02] <mdke> yeah
[11:58] <mdke> sm, still awake?
[11:58] <sm> just about
[11:58] <sm> I replied
[11:58] <mdke> to mine?
[11:59] <sm> yup
[11:59] <mdke> did you see mary's email? there is a question in the last paragraph that you might be able to answer
[11:59] <mdke> haven't got yours yet
[11:59] <sm> subject ?
[12:00] <mdke> Re: Rehashing wikis
[12:00] <mdke> what did you reply to?
[12:00] <sm> strange, haven't got that one yet
[12:01] <sm> I replied to you in that thread
[12:01] <mdke> weird
[12:01] <sm> I subscribe to gmane, not the list, maybe a lag
[12:01] <mdke> do timezones affect when emails are delivered?
[12:01] <mdke> i'll paste her question
[12:01] <sm> in fact gmane has been a little slow today
[12:02] <mdke> I'm not all that familiar with the current wiki software, but is there
[12:02] <mdke> any place you can store draft pages? (Some people do this on their user
[12:02] <mdke> pagei on some wikis.) The best way to get this kind of feedback might be
[12:02] <mdke> to do a draft and solicit either feedback or more people to come in and
[12:02] <mdke> change things.
[12:02] <sm> sure, just create it under your home page
[12:02] <sm> and call it SomethingDraft if you like