| zul | evening | 12:29 |
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| zul | cool...my crappy usb camera just works | 12:50 |
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| fabbione | morning | 06:41 |
| fabbione | dilinger: testing the patch now :-) | 09:04 |
| fabbione | ah he is not here | 09:07 |
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| zul | morning | 02:37 |
| fabbione | hey zul | 02:38 |
| zul | hey fabbione how is it going? | 02:38 |
| zul | oh how i hate windows media player | 02:39 |
| jbailey | You don't have access to a better media player | 02:41 |
| jbailey | ? | 02:41 |
| zul | yeah but its windows that im on at work though as my main pc | 02:41 |
| zul | if i run winamp the windows media player just starts at the same time | 02:42 |
| === zul kicks puter | ||
| zul | *sigh* i dont think you need to put your full address in your wiki page ;) | 02:43 |
| zul | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DongCalmada | 02:43 |
| jbailey | Ah, I was thinking winamp, but couldn't remember what it was called. =) | 02:46 |
| zul | T-Bone disapeared? | 02:51 |
| zul | i havent seen him all weekend | 02:52 |
| jbailey | He may have for a bit. He's really pissed. | 03:00 |
| zul | oh? | 03:00 |
| jbailey | He's been working his brains out to try and get ia64 into a release state for Hoary because he was told that if he met certain requirements it would be let in. | 03:00 |
| jbailey | Basically without any further discussion during the dev meeting, he was told otherwise. | 03:00 |
| zul | oh right | 03:00 |
| jbailey | Clearly and publiclly. | 03:00 |
| fabbione | zul: i am ok thanks. please see /t | 03:00 |
| zul | fabbione: ok will do | 03:01 |
| fabbione | jbailey: clearly and public the point is that if it wasn't for me pushing him to start testing ia64 | 03:01 |
| fabbione | nobody was going to do so | 03:01 |
| fabbione | i don't have an ia64 myself and even tho i did take care of producing an ia64 kernel | 03:01 |
| fabbione | so clearly he did ask for the buildd & co | 03:02 |
| fabbione | and he expected us to do the rest | 03:02 |
| fabbione | well that was not the original agreement | 03:02 |
| fabbione | so he has nothing to be pissed | 03:02 |
| jbailey | fabbione: As if emotions are clearly ruled by logic. =) | 03:03 |
| jbailey | He simply had his heart set on it, and beleived that if he met a couple requirements, it would be accepted. It didn't happen that way and he's angry about it. | 03:04 |
| fabbione | well he didn't meet the requirement | 03:04 |
| jbailey | Right. | 03:04 |
| fabbione | so there is noone to blame | 03:04 |
| fabbione | i was hoping to get sparc for hoary, but i can see it myself that it won't make | 03:05 |
| fabbione | but that doesn't mean that i am pissed about it | 03:05 |
| fabbione | i know that i have been doing a lot of work | 03:05 |
| fabbione | and that it will all flow in bendy | 03:05 |
| fabbione | (and note that i don't even have the buildds at the dc) | 03:05 |
| fabbione | (so it took me ages more to get stuff in place) | 03:06 |
| jbailey | Sure. But we don't all react the same way to things. | 03:06 |
| fabbione | to be hounest i think he is a bit too impulsive | 03:06 |
| fabbione | but that's just my opinion | 03:06 |
| fabbione | jbailey: but yes. i fully agree with you. we don't react all the same way | 03:07 |
| jbailey | We need impulsive people in the world to suggest the things that us stodgy people would never otherwise consider. =) | 03:07 |
| jbailey | But it probably sucks to be impulsive and to run against brick walls all the time. =) | 03:07 |
| fabbione | jbailey: STFU! ARE YOU GOING TO CONSIDER THIS? :P | 03:07 |
| zul | now now :) | 03:08 |
| fabbione | just kidding ;) | 03:08 |
| fabbione | zul: jb and i know each other | 03:08 |
| fabbione | from DC3 and DC4 | 03:08 |
| zul | i know i was be kidding as well | 03:08 |
| jbailey | zul: Don't worry. There's nothing in the SC keeping Fabio and I from getting drunk and slugging it out in a bar at UDU. ;) | 03:08 |
| fabbione | (tho he still needs to sign my gpg key) | 03:08 |
| zul | jbailey: i would pay to see that ;) | 03:08 |
| fabbione | jbailey: at UDU it will be the 3rd time we meet :-) | 03:09 |
| zul | *sniff* im the outsider :) | 03:09 |
| fabbione | jbailey: it's time for you to consider to sign my key ;) | 03:09 |
| jbailey | fabbione: Yeah, I know. I have to find that folder. =( | 03:09 |
| fabbione | nah don't worry | 03:09 |
| jbailey | fabbione: I left it too long, and have moved everything. I'm not sure where it is. | 03:09 |
| fabbione | let's do it at UDU | 03:09 |
| fabbione | jbailey: also because since DC4 i have a new key too | 03:09 |
| fabbione | for ubuntu/canonical | 03:09 |
| jbailey | at UDU I'll probably have met people enough times that it'll be worth just playing along with the keysigning and dropping the occasional person out. | 03:10 |
| jbailey | I think I'll actually know most people there. | 03:10 |
| fabbione | jbailey: yeah | 03:10 |
| fabbione | that's the easiest | 03:10 |
| jbailey | I've been trying to decide whether to do that. | 03:10 |
| jbailey | (a new key for Ubuntu/Canonical) | 03:10 |
| fabbione | i did. | 03:10 |
| fabbione | for one simple reason | 03:10 |
| jbailey | I don't like the idea of putting work email addresses on my home keys. | 03:10 |
| fabbione | i don't like to mix private/debian/work stuff | 03:10 |
| fabbione | exaclty | 03:11 |
| jbailey | That's why I use the imap server instead of having stuff forwarded to my home account, too. | 03:11 |
| fabbione | we all remember when lamont had to revoke his hp uid | 03:11 |
| zul | well not all | 03:11 |
| fabbione | i use an imap server at home for speed reasons, but separate folders/accounts | 03:11 |
| fabbione | zul: there a huge shake in WOT | 03:11 |
| fabbione | that was tracked by all the graphers around | 03:12 |
| zul | ah ok | 03:12 |
| fabbione | i think he lost something like 20 positions in the WOt in one shot | 03:12 |
| fabbione | that is quite a lot | 03:12 |
| jbailey | fabbione: Yeah, I just figured out the local synchronisation bits in evolution. | 03:13 |
| jbailey | fabbione: I did it while working at the web caf last week so I could read my email at home. | 03:13 |
| fabbione | tbh i would still be using pine but i wanted to try a GUI application and i landed with thunderbird | 03:14 |
| fabbione | but i can switch anytime | 03:14 |
| fabbione | since all the filtering is done on the server | 03:14 |
| fabbione | i just have to resub to the different mailboxes | 03:14 |
| jbailey | I started using evo when my wife switched from mutt (she had been using elm at her school) | 03:15 |
| jbailey | She wanted a graphical interface, and I wanted to be able to answer her questions. | 03:15 |
| zul | isnt that sweet | 03:15 |
| jbailey | zul: It's marriage-preserving ;) | 03:16 |
| fabbione | eehhehe | 03:16 |
| zul | mine doesnt work like that | 03:16 |
| fabbione | humpf i have almost finished the sync with debian 2.6.10-5 | 03:17 |
| fabbione | and i still miss another release to check | 03:17 |
| fabbione | but now we have the 31337 abi checker to help us | 03:18 |
| zul | debian's hotplug is suppose to fix a bunch of firmware issues apparently | 03:20 |
| fabbione | i am pretty sure it would need merge to be ported | 03:21 |
| zul | oooh...are linux sys admin upgraded to hoary | 03:33 |
| fabbione | ??? | 03:33 |
| zul | sorry our linux sys admin here at work upgraded to hoary | 03:34 |
| fabbione | ah | 03:34 |
| zul | still too early in the morning | 03:34 |
| fabbione | you should have told them to wait a sec | 03:34 |
| zul | too late | 03:34 |
| fabbione | tomorrow we are going out with this big fat kernel | 03:35 |
| zul | with all the security updates | 03:35 |
| fabbione | yup | 03:35 |
| fabbione | and a few tons of bug fixes | 03:35 |
| fabbione | zul: btw.. your patches? | 03:35 |
| zul | yep getting them ready now | 03:35 |
| fabbione | i can't wait forever to get them | 03:35 |
| fabbione | ok | 03:36 |
| === fabbione checks the abi | ||
| zul | fabbione: http://zulinux.homelinux.net/ubuntu/kernel/2.6.10-28/ | 03:45 |
| fabbione | hmmmmmm | 03:46 |
| fabbione | 6492 - no support for dell's version of sound blaster em101k | 03:46 |
| fabbione | how bad is this one? | 03:46 |
| fabbione | 55K of patch.... | 03:46 |
| fabbione | are you sure it works? | 03:46 |
| fabbione | i remember the bk commit to head | 03:46 |
| fabbione | and it was pretty intrusive on the emu10k1 too | 03:46 |
| zul | havent tested it but it was pulled from bitkeeper and applies cleanly and compile cleanly | 03:46 |
| === fabbione sighs... | ||
| zul | dont have to include it if you want but it works with 2.6.11 apparenly | 03:47 |
| fabbione | did you pull only the emu10k1x patch or did you grab it from 2.6.11? | 03:47 |
| fabbione | sory let me rephrase | 03:47 |
| zul | only the emu101kx from bitkeeper | 03:47 |
| fabbione | did you take that patch from the first commit or from 2.6.11 or from bk (like today)? | 03:48 |
| fabbione | ok | 03:48 |
| fabbione | hmmm | 03:48 |
| fabbione | i need to check on that | 03:48 |
| fabbione | i am not happy to add new drivers now | 03:48 |
| fabbione | specially because none of us can test them | 03:48 |
| zul | thats cool | 03:48 |
| zul | http://linux.bkbits.net:8080/linux-2.5/gnupatch@41d9223fXVy6-SVqQ9fPagcX9jSi8Q | 03:49 |
| zul | but the other patches should be ok? | 03:50 |
| fabbione | did you check if there were any updates from the first commit? | 03:50 |
| zul | havent been updated in 13weeks | 03:50 |
| fabbione | so it has been stable since first commit... | 03:50 |
| zul | afaik yes | 03:51 |
| fabbione | can you please triple check? | 03:51 |
| fabbione | i don't mind to add it | 03:51 |
| fabbione | i know it compiles | 03:51 |
| zul | yes i can do that when i get home tonight | 03:51 |
| fabbione | we saw that in 2.6.11-pre | 03:51 |
| fabbione | well i guess i can just check with bk here | 03:51 |
| lamont | fabbione: from 13 to > 100 is not 20 positions... | 03:53 |
| lamont | morning all | 03:53 |
| zul | hey lamont | 03:53 |
| fabbione | hey lamont | 03:54 |
| zul | but the other patches should be fine | 03:54 |
| fabbione | lamont: well i couldn't really remember | 03:54 |
| fabbione | keyboard-i8042 has a possible ABI change | 03:54 |
| fabbione | anyway we need to bump the abi | 03:54 |
| zul | bleah..when you bump the abi put the inotify 0.20 stuff back in | 03:55 |
| lamont | fabbione: that was also about the time that they actually started paying attention to the revokations in the WoT graphs - I wasn't solely responsible for the dip | 03:55 |
| lamont | zul: was it just inotify that was bad? | 03:55 |
| zul | lamont: yep looks like it | 03:55 |
| lamont | inotify sure seems to be shooting for most cursed status | 03:56 |
| zul | by the time everything got compiled on saturday fabbione already uploaded a new kernel | 03:56 |
| fabbione | http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/kernel/trunk/kernel/source/kernel-source-2.6.10-2.6.10/debian/patches/087-ext3_graceful_corruption_fixes.dpatch?op=file&rev=0&sc=0 | 03:57 |
| lamont | ouc | 03:57 |
| lamont | h | 03:57 |
| fabbione | this is the patch that breaks the ABI | 03:57 |
| lamont | ah, ok | 03:57 |
| fabbione | tell me if it is worth the troubles according to your opinion | 03:57 |
| zul | er..no | 03:57 |
| zul | fo inotify | 03:57 |
| fabbione | zul: did you read the patch name or the entire changelog? | 03:57 |
| zul | i was talking about inotify | 03:58 |
| fabbione | ah ok | 03:58 |
| fabbione | please guys look at that patch and give me your opinion | 03:58 |
| fabbione | a yes here means changing the ABI | 03:58 |
| fabbione | there might more patches that can do that | 03:59 |
| zul | well how often does ext3 fail? | 03:59 |
| fabbione | i am not sure yet | 03:59 |
| fabbione | i only synced up to 2.6.10-5 in debian | 03:59 |
| fabbione | zul: ENOCLUE | 03:59 |
| fabbione | i really have no idea how often it can happen | 03:59 |
| mjg59 | fabbione: Did you get my b44 patch | 03:59 |
| fabbione | mjg59: i read it in the mail yes.. | 04:00 |
| fabbione | mjg59: haven't check it 100% yet | 04:00 |
| fabbione | mjg59: i have a pile of security updates under check right now.. sorry | 04:00 |
| fabbione | it might be for -29 | 04:00 |
| mjg59 | fabbione: No problem | 04:00 |
| zul | ++ | 04:00 |
| fabbione | mjg59: what is your opinion on the above ext3 patch? | 04:00 |
| fabbione | zul: ++ to what? | 04:01 |
| zul | fabbione: i say go for it | 04:01 |
| zul | belt and suspenders | 04:01 |
| zul | bumping the abi anyways so go for it | 04:01 |
| fabbione | hmmmm | 04:01 |
| fabbione | why anyway? | 04:02 |
| fabbione | this is the only patch atm that breaks the ABI | 04:02 |
| fabbione | # This is easily reproduced with a sample ext3 fs image containing an inode | 04:02 |
| fabbione | # whose direct and indirect blocks refer to a block bitmap block. Allocating | 04:02 |
| fabbione | # new blocks and then deleting that inode will BUG() with: | 04:02 |
| fabbione | # | 04:02 |
| fabbione | # Assertion failure in journal_forget() at fs/jbd/transaction.c:1228: | 04:02 |
| fabbione | # "!jh->b_committed_data" | 04:02 |
| fabbione | no | 04:02 |
| fabbione | we can skip it | 04:02 |
| fabbione | even if it is an annoying problem | 04:02 |
| fabbione | it is not necessary to have | 04:02 |
| fabbione | but let see lamont and mjg59 | 04:02 |
| lamont | seems pretty innocuous | 04:06 |
| mjg59 | I think it's generally preferable to avoid corrupt filesystems breaking the kernel... | 04:07 |
| mjg59 | It's better to bump the ABI now than to find we need to again later on | 04:07 |
| Mithrandir | mjg59: did you talk to Naima last night? | 04:08 |
| Mithrandir | mjg59: she had some "interesting" experiences where she did a suspend, boot normally, use the box for a little, then boot with resume. | 04:08 |
| fabbione | ok so we will go for it and break the ABI | 04:08 |
| lamont | Mithrandir: that would be, um, interesting. to be sure | 04:09 |
| lamont | fabbione: btw, you ROCK. | 04:09 |
| mjg59 | Mithrandir: Yeah, I talked to her about that. | 04:09 |
| Mithrandir | lamont: yeah; think it should then say "lalala, you've booted in the meantime, I won't resume, lalala" or something. | 04:10 |
| mjg59 | The swapon script should check whether the swap partition has a suspend signature, and if so mkswap it | 04:10 |
| fabbione | lamont: what i did NOT do this time to rock? ;) | 04:10 |
| Mithrandir | mjg59: I think it should refuse to resume if you've booted in the meantime. | 04:10 |
| mjg59 | Mithrandir: How could it know? | 04:10 |
| mjg59 | We can't touch the filesystem at that point | 04:10 |
| Mithrandir | you can touch the filesystem before suspending | 04:10 |
| Mithrandir | and remove the file when booting normally | 04:11 |
| mjg59 | But we can't read from the filesystem | 04:11 |
| Mithrandir | or something like that. | 04:11 |
| Mithrandir | hm, that sucks. | 04:11 |
| mjg59 | If we mount the filesystem, the journal gets replayed | 04:11 |
| Mithrandir | even r/o? | 04:11 |
| mjg59 | Yes | 04:11 |
| Mithrandir | that sucks. | 04:11 |
| mjg59 | Indeed | 04:11 |
| mjg59 | mkswapping over the resume partition on boot fixes all but the most pathological cases | 04:12 |
| Mithrandir | true enough | 04:12 |
| lamont | fabbione: I finally got to my email and read your replies to pitti | 04:12 |
| fabbione | lamont: ah eheheh | 04:12 |
| fabbione | lamont: wait to do a baz update :-) | 04:12 |
| mjg59 | fabbione: The sooner the b44 patch can go in the better from the dealing with HP point of view, but feel free to leave it to -29 if it's a problem | 04:13 |
| lamont | fabbione: you mean wait until I do? or that I should wait before I do? | 04:13 |
| fabbione | mjg59: i think i can make it for -28 given that we will break the ABI | 04:15 |
| fabbione | lamont: just wait a couple of more minutes | 04:15 |
| mjg59 | fabbione: Ok, thanks | 04:15 |
| fabbione | mjg59: does it work for you? | 04:17 |
| mjg59 | fabbione: It stops the machine from freezing when HAL starts, yes | 04:19 |
| mjg59 | It means that mii ioctls won't do anything until the interface has been brought up | 04:20 |
| fabbione | yes i see | 04:20 |
| mjg59 | I'm not sure if that's the best approach, but it works | 04:20 |
| fabbione | it looks sane to me | 04:20 |
| fabbione | if the iface is down .. no ioctl | 04:20 |
| mjg59 | It may mean that we don't get auto-interface up on cable plug in that chipset, but I don't think we support that anyway yet | 04:20 |
| fabbione | no we don't | 04:21 |
| fabbione | mjg59: queued | 04:22 |
| fabbione | guys you can baz update now ;) | 04:22 |
| fabbione | no ABI bump done at packaging level YET | 04:22 |
| mjg59 | fabbione: Rocking. Thanks. | 04:22 |
| fabbione | no problem | 04:22 |
| fabbione | upload will be tomorrow after 14:00 UTC | 04:23 |
| zul | none of my stuff made it in? | 04:24 |
| fabbione | zul: hell gimme a break | 04:25 |
| fabbione | i am working on it | 04:25 |
| fabbione | this is the work of the last 3 hours of merging | 04:25 |
| zul | fabbione: heh sorry | 04:25 |
| zul | sorry mybad | 04:26 |
| fabbione | eheh | 04:26 |
| fabbione | at least now we know 100% that the abi checker is working properly | 04:26 |
| fabbione | who feel like preparing l-r-m for tomorrow? | 04:28 |
| fabbione | actually we need to tell Kamion too | 04:29 |
| zul | i need to get my baz archive setup eventually | 04:29 |
| lamont | zul: any home machines have apache running on them? | 04:30 |
| zul | yep | 04:30 |
| lamont | because that's the simplest way to publish | 04:30 |
| zul | its the same machine where i put my patches for you guys | 04:31 |
| lamont | it can either be your actual repository (and you use an sftp:// url while we use http://), or it could be a mirror of your actual repository | 04:32 |
| zul | ok...i did a little reading about it this weekend | 04:33 |
| zul | it will probably be something like http://zulinux.homelinux.net/Archive or somthing im not sure yet | 04:33 |
| fabbione | zul: anything is fine for us | 04:34 |
| fabbione | sftp would require us to have access to your box | 04:34 |
| fabbione | while with http we can just merge from you | 04:34 |
| zul | its going to be http i dont trust you fabbione ;) | 04:35 |
| fabbione | that's a good point to start from | 04:35 |
| fabbione | considering i have kernel privileges on your machine :-) | 04:35 |
| zul | yeah i want to sleep at night :) | 04:35 |
| lamont | LOL | 04:35 |
| Mithrandir | fabbione: you're assuming he runs _your_ kernel on his box.. he might be... running NetBSD! :P | 04:37 |
| zul | and it might be chrooted | 04:37 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: i still have commit access to XORG CVS :-) | 04:37 |
| fabbione | shhh | 04:38 |
| fabbione | zul: other than the emu10kx.. are the other patches from HEAD or did you grab them around? | 04:38 |
| Mithrandir | zul: chroots won't help you if he has your kernel | 04:38 |
| zul | fabbione: grabbed them around. the keyboard is from 2.6.10-ac9 | 04:38 |
| fabbione | but i would have access to the main host even from a chroot that has proc mounted | 04:38 |
| zul | the nforce one is from linux-usb ml and the via-oops is from head | 04:39 |
| zul | fine ill just turn my box OFF then | 04:39 |
| fabbione | ok | 04:39 |
| zul | bwaha...its alive! its alive!! sorry | 04:46 |
| fabbione | ehehhe | 04:48 |
| fabbione | zul: baz update :-() | 04:53 |
| fabbione | your bits are merged | 04:53 |
| fabbione | other than the emu10k1x | 04:53 |
| fabbione | i want to look at it again | 04:53 |
| fabbione | time to merge mjg59 | 04:53 |
| zul | sweet | 04:56 |
| fabbione | Changes by Matthew Garrett: | 04:56 |
| fabbione | * b44 should not accept ioctls if the interface is down: | 04:56 |
| fabbione | - Add patch fix-b44.dpatch. | 04:56 |
| fabbione | (Closes: #7490) | 04:56 |
| fabbione | mjg59: ok for you? or do you want me to change something else? | 04:57 |
| zul | you can ask the guy who requested the em101kx to test it | 04:57 |
| fabbione | zul: there won't be time for that | 04:57 |
| fabbione | i can't release binary image before tomorrow | 04:57 |
| zul | oh yes...time | 04:57 |
| fabbione | not even for testing | 04:57 |
| mjg59 | fabbione: No, that's fine | 04:57 |
| fabbione | mjg59: ok | 04:58 |
| lamont | fabbione: one more thing for -28... | 04:58 |
| lamont | kernel-wedge find-dups 2.6.10-4-hppa64 | 04:58 |
| lamont | find: lib: No such file or directory | 04:58 |
| lamont | nfs-modules-2.6.10-4-hppa32-di will be empty | 04:58 |
| fabbione | uh weird... | 04:59 |
| lamont | hrm.. wonder how many more there were before you removed the || true | 04:59 |
| === fabbione checks | ||
| fabbione | oh that's easy | 05:00 |
| fabbione | nfs is compiled in on hppa | 05:00 |
| fabbione | there are no modules | 05:00 |
| lamont | nfs-modules... is the only one that says it'll be empty | 05:00 |
| fabbione | yes | 05:00 |
| fabbione | and it is empty | 05:01 |
| fabbione | it's enough to remove nfs-modules.lnk | 05:01 |
| fabbione | in debian/d-i/hppa/modules/hppa/ | 05:01 |
| fabbione | this is thanks to our super alligned configs | 05:01 |
| fabbione | that 2 persons (one of which in this chan right now) should have analized for hoary | 05:02 |
| fabbione | we don't make names | 05:03 |
| fabbione | only surnamed | 05:03 |
| fabbione | surnames | 05:03 |
| fabbione | eh Short? | 05:03 |
| fabbione | doesn't it ring a bell? | 05:03 |
| zul | someone called my name? | 05:03 |
| fabbione | eheheh | 05:03 |
| lamont | fabbione: maybe he didn't analyze the bastard stepchildren | 05:03 |
| fabbione | yeah | 05:04 |
| lamont | the find: lib: No such file or directory is kind of interesting as well.. or is that normal? | 05:04 |
| fabbione | it is normal | 05:04 |
| fabbione | since debian/nfs-modules-<whatever>/lib isn't there at all | 05:04 |
| fabbione | no modules -> no need to create the dir | 05:05 |
| fabbione | applying patch fix-b44 to ./ ... failed. | 05:07 |
| fabbione | doh! | 05:07 |
| fabbione | ah yeah | 05:08 |
| fabbione | mjg59: note for the next time: send me a dpatch :-) | 05:09 |
| fabbione | baz commit -s'Merge mjg59' -- changelog patches/fix-b44.dpatch patches/00list-28 | 05:35 |
| fabbione | These files would be source but lack inventory ids (`baz add' perhaps?): | 05:35 |
| fabbione | patches/stolen-from-head_ppp-no-dos.dpatch | 05:35 |
| fabbione | M changelog | 05:35 |
| fabbione | make-changeset-files: file missing from ORIG tree (patches/fix-b44.dpatch) | 05:35 |
| fabbione | what the hell is wrong with baz? | 05:35 |
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| fabbione | hey | 05:38 |
| ddaa | hey | 05:38 |
| fabbione | i am getting a really strange error with baz | 05:38 |
| fabbione | baz commit -s'Merge mjg59' -- changelog patches/fix-b44.dpatch patches/00list-28 | 05:38 |
| fabbione | make-changeset-files: file missing from ORIG tree (patches/fix-b44.dpatch) | 05:39 |
| fabbione | but the file has been added | 05:39 |
| ddaa | you cannot do partial commit (yet) when the inventory was changed | 05:40 |
| ddaa | hu... not right | 05:40 |
| fabbione | i did partial commits before and it was working fine | 05:40 |
| ddaa | you cannot do partial commit for new/removed/renamed files | 05:40 |
| fabbione | ah | 05:40 |
| fabbione | suckage | 05:40 |
| fabbione | ok | 05:40 |
| ddaa | That can be fixed. | 05:40 |
| ddaa | The issue is that currently partial commit does not do inventory, so it cannot tell if the file is really new or just renamed. | 05:40 |
| ddaa | probably it will be time to fix it when there will be a "baz edit" to make life livable with kernel-sized trees. | 05:41 |
| ddaa | But i suggest you file a bug for the obscure error message. | 05:42 |
| fabbione | ddaa: malone or bugzilla? | 05:42 |
| ddaa | IIRC we are officially in malone again | 05:42 |
| ddaa | mark's fault | 05:42 |
| fabbione | ahhh | 05:42 |
| fabbione | i don't want to know :-) | 05:43 |
| fabbione | thanks ddaa.. that was it :-) | 05:44 |
| ddaa | be my guest | 05:44 |
| fabbione | lamont: hppa ftbfs is fixed | 05:46 |
| fabbione | or it should be at least | 05:46 |
| zul | lunch | 05:47 |
| lamont | fabbione: thansk | 05:48 |
| fabbione | no problem | 05:48 |
| fabbione | lamont: do you still have -27 on your buildd? | 05:48 |
| fabbione | or did you trash it? | 05:48 |
| fabbione | well actually.. no | 05:49 |
| fabbione | it's pointless | 05:49 |
| fabbione | nevermind | 05:49 |
| lamont | head build-hoary/chroot-hoary/build/buildd/linux-source-2.6.10-2.6.10/debian/changelog | 05:49 |
| lamont | linux-source-2.6.10 (2.6.10-27) hoary; urgency=low | 05:49 |
| lamont | uh, yeah. :-) | 05:50 |
| fabbione | i was going to ask you for the abi files, but we already know they will change | 05:50 |
| fabbione | so it's useless :-) | 05:50 |
| lamont | ah, ok | 05:53 |
| fabbione | zul: the emu10k1x driver has been updated regularlly. and the last commit is from 4 days ago. | 05:56 |
| fabbione | zul: just FYI. | 05:56 |
| fabbione | i am going to see if it can be built | 05:56 |
| lamont | fire call | 06:06 |
| svenl | fabbione: hi you. | 06:19 |
| fabbione | re | 06:21 |
| fabbione | i was checking the code... | 06:21 |
| fabbione | i don't really understand why you use arch_initcall() in the beginning | 06:21 |
| fabbione | but i need to look trough all the code | 06:21 |
| fabbione | just gimme a few secs.. i need .11 orig tar.gz | 06:22 |
| fabbione | oh there is no orig in the archive... | 06:22 |
| fabbione | humpf... | 06:22 |
| fabbione | `linux-2.6.11.tar.gz' at 1826600 (3%) 76.9K/s eta:10m [Receiving data] | 06:24 |
| fabbione | svenl: getting there.. slowly :-) | 06:31 |
| svenl | fabbione: well, code is not from me, at first it was to initialize the arch-specific part, which should not be in the drivers/net/mv643xx_eth.c driver (see other marvell patch) | 06:32 |
| svenl | fabbione: i had some code doing OF device-tree probing in place which worked, but hch suggested doing pci_find_device instead. | 06:33 |
| fabbione | svenl: ok.. let's see one thing at a time | 06:36 |
| fabbione | this is a network driver right? | 06:36 |
| svenl | fabbione: sure, a mips-and-ppc driver. | 06:38 |
| fabbione | so in the first place i would move it to drivers/net/<where_appropriate> and do a proper Kconfig entry for it | 06:38 |
| fabbione | because a network card is initialized much later than the arch specific code | 06:38 |
| svenl | fabbione: Dale Fornsworth from montavista isolated all the arch independent code and moved them into arch/ppc|mips. | 06:39 |
| svenl | fabbione: the only thing i am really doing is setting a couple of arch-specific info, like where the NB chip is mapped, and what interrupt to use, in the ad-hoc structure that the arch-indep driver then uses. | 06:39 |
| fabbione | hmmmm | 06:40 |
| fabbione | i think it is a bad idea because it will spread the code all over the place | 06:40 |
| fabbione | but anyway | 06:40 |
| svenl | fabbione: so my only problem is to detect the northbridge through its pci id, and then set the stuff with platform_add_devices. | 06:41 |
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| svenl | arch_initcall is called before the pci tree is filled, but there should be a way to have mv643xx_eth_add_pds executed later, after the pci tree has been filled. | 06:42 |
| fabbione | arch_initcall is a synonimous for module_init() btw | 06:42 |
| fabbione | #define arch_initcall(fn) module_init(fn) | 06:42 |
| fabbione | from include/linux/init.h | 06:43 |
| fabbione | the problem is that pci code is initizialized as driver later in the boot process | 06:43 |
| svenl | yep, guessed such as pci_devices was empty :/ | 06:44 |
| fabbione | hmmmmm | 06:45 |
| zul | fabbione: cool moe d | 06:46 |
| fabbione | i think you will also hit another problem.. PCI IRQ are assigned after PCI is initialized.. | 06:46 |
| fabbione | this is my best guess | 06:46 |
| svenl | fabbione: this is no problem, as we only tell the arch-indep code which pci irq to use, and it is dicted by what the open-firmware initializes at a lower level though. | 06:47 |
| svenl | fabbione: so, i understand you don't know either, and i should better wait for hch and ask him ? :) | 06:47 |
| fabbione | svenl: well i am trying to help.. not knowing the arch doesn't make it easier | 06:48 |
| svenl | fabbione: it was no critic. | 06:50 |
| svenl | fabbione: actually, my only question is if there is a equivalent to arch_initcall that will happen after the pci initialization step. | 06:51 |
| svenl | fabbione: but i will go ask other people later if i don't find it by myself. | 06:51 |
| fabbione | svenl: i think you cannot call pci_find_device at all there | 06:53 |
| fabbione | if do a couple grep in platform/ | 06:54 |
| fabbione | you will notice that the only driver that does it | 06:54 |
| fabbione | is a mobo driver | 06:54 |
| fabbione | chestnut.c | 06:54 |
| svenl | fabbione: yep. | 06:54 |
| fabbione | in a special call only that is used to fix a pci parameter if a cache is set in a certain way | 06:55 |
| fabbione | so it basically happens after the mobo and pci are initialized | 06:55 |
| svenl | fabbione: don't worry, i am going to ask hch as soon as he is back, | 06:55 |
| fabbione | i think you really can't call it there | 06:55 |
| fabbione | nah it's ok.. it's not like killing my time :-) | 06:55 |
| svenl | fabbione: i am not sure, since the code is only linked in, and its only link to the call is rge arch_initcall. | 06:56 |
| svenl | fabbione: so the code could be anywhere. | 06:56 |
| fabbione | yes but i am more thinking in terms of code execution order | 06:57 |
| svenl | fabbione: the other places the code is initialized is in arch/ppc/platforms/mv64360.c, but it is a mobo driver. | 06:57 |
| fabbione | yes i saw that | 06:57 |
| fabbione | i think it would thousand times easier to just move it drivers/net | 06:58 |
| svenl | and same for mips, but those don't probe, they are configured at toplevel Kconfig. | 06:58 |
| fabbione | when the pci bus is initialized | 06:58 |
| svenl | fabbione: after Dale just removed all arch calls from there and it just got accepted upstream ? | 06:58 |
| fabbione | well he is not God you know :-) | 06:59 |
| fabbione | if something cannot be done in platform/ | 06:59 |
| fabbione | ... you can guess what i mean | 06:59 |
| mdz | fabbione: wow, how was the kernel build time reduced for powerpc? | 06:59 |
| svenl | fabbione: yep, but he, hch, benh and Mark Greer told me that it was not a good idea. I guess benh is God where ppc/linux is concerned. | 06:59 |
| mdz | fabbione: CONCURRENCY_LEVEL? | 07:00 |
| svenl | fabbione: and to add to this the marvell is no pci device, it is not present in the pci tree. | 07:00 |
| fabbione | svenl: ah hold on! | 07:00 |
| fabbione | svenl: check the call to pci_:find_device in chestnut.c | 07:01 |
| fabbione | it wants a dev structure as last parameter | 07:01 |
| fabbione | not a NULL | 07:01 |
| fabbione | mdz: yeps :-) | 07:01 |
| fabbione | mdz: i set CONCURRENCY_LEVEL as Num of cpu * 2 | 07:01 |
| fabbione | mdz: i could go further since the code is ccached | 07:01 |
| fabbione | pro = code ccached = tons of times faster | 07:02 |
| fabbione | cons = no ccache = kill buildd for a little while | 07:02 |
| mdz | I usually do num_cpu + 1 | 07:02 |
| mdz | did you do some tests? | 07:02 |
| svenl | fabbione: nope. n = from ? from->global_list.next : pci_devices.next; | 07:02 |
| fabbione | mdz: yes. locally. | 07:03 |
| svenl | it it is null, it will searcg at the root. | 07:03 |
| fabbione | mdz: num_cpu * 2 is fine | 07:03 |
| fabbione | svenl: yes. i didn't say it must be a filled struct.. | 07:04 |
| fabbione | but it might expect one there as parameter | 07:04 |
| fabbione | tho i am not 100% sure.. | 07:04 |
| fabbione | but i would still try for the sake of it | 07:04 |
| svenl | fabbione: ok, thanks. | 07:04 |
| fabbione | sorry that i can't help more :( | 07:05 |
| mdz | fabbione: do you use getconf to query the number of CPUs? | 07:05 |
| svenl | fabbione: i think that i need to investigate with Dale and/or hch about this issue, and what their intention is. | 07:05 |
| svenl | fabbione: no problem. | 07:05 |
| fabbione | mdz: no. cat /proc/cpuinfo |grep ^processor | 07:06 |
| mdz | fabbione: getconf should be more portable across architectures | 07:06 |
| fabbione | mdz: so is /proc/cpuinfo for our arches :-) | 07:06 |
| mdz | and centralizes the code | 07:06 |
| fabbione | i will check it tomorrow | 07:07 |
| mdz | ok | 07:07 |
| fabbione | it's 13 hours that i am here | 07:07 |
| fabbione | and i am kinda tired | 07:07 |
| fabbione | mdz: did you ever used getconf ? | 07:10 |
| fabbione | i can't see anything that tells me how many processors there are in the system.. well i must be very tired | 07:11 |
| mdz | fabbione: apt has used it forever | 07:17 |
| mdz | for the same purpose | 07:17 |
| mdz | getconf _NPROCESSORS_ONLN | 07:17 |
| fabbione | usr/bin/getconf base/libc6 | 07:19 |
| fabbione | interesting | 07:19 |
| fabbione | fabbione@concordia:~ $ getconf _NPROCESSORS_ONLN | 07:20 |
| fabbione | -bash: getconf: command not found | 07:20 |
| fabbione | wow :-) | 07:20 |
| fabbione | mdz: what does it returns on hiperthreaded proc? | 07:20 |
| fabbione | 1 proc | 07:20 |
| fabbione | or 2 (if the hyper is 2) | 07:20 |
| fabbione | ? | 07:20 |
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| lamont | morning T-Bone | 07:31 |
| T-Bone | hey ladude! | 07:31 |
| fabbione | hey T-Bone | 07:31 |
| T-Bone | konichiwa! | 07:31 |
| T-Bone | ola fabbione | 07:32 |
| fabbione | T-Bone: i did some syncing with Debian, including ia64 patches (up to 2.6.10-5) | 07:33 |
| fabbione | i am going to parse 2.6.10-6 tomorrow morning | 07:33 |
| T-Bone | cool | 07:33 |
| fabbione | let me know if you need more stuff that what i took | 07:33 |
| T-Bone | don't think so | 07:33 |
| fabbione | we are going to bump the ABI | 07:33 |
| fabbione | i didn't take all the debian patches | 07:33 |
| fabbione | that's why i am asking | 07:33 |
| fabbione | if you have time give it a check | 07:34 |
| T-Bone | ia64 is mostly -ENOTMYPROBLEM lately | 07:34 |
| fabbione | i did try to level to important fixes | 07:34 |
| fabbione | dude.. i understand that it won't make it for hoary | 07:34 |
| fabbione | but that's not a good reason to give up | 07:34 |
| T-Bone | i have reasons | 07:35 |
| fabbione | hoary kernel will be the base for bendy | 07:35 |
| T-Bone | it's not only a problem of making for hoary or not | 07:35 |
| fabbione | well it's not up to me to convince you or anything | 07:35 |
| crimsun | fabbione: are we backporting from 2.6.11.3? | 07:35 |
| fabbione | crimsun: we are porting whatever fix we can :-) | 07:36 |
| crimsun | fabbione: or will that just end up being too much of a hassle? | 07:36 |
| crimsun | fabbione: ok | 07:36 |
| fabbione | crimsun | 07:36 |
| fabbione | it depends what.. | 07:36 |
| zul | hey T-Bone | 07:36 |
| fabbione | i am not going to backport a new VM right now :-) | 07:36 |
| fabbione | if that's what you are asking for | 07:36 |
| fabbione | anyway | 07:36 |
| fabbione | dinner is ready | 07:36 |
| crimsun | fabbione: I'm looking at critical ones, like "sis900 kernel oops fix" | 07:36 |
| fabbione | crimsun: go ahead and gimme a patch before tomorrow 12:00 UTC | 07:37 |
| fabbione | crimsun: send it via email or send me the mail with a url | 07:37 |
| fabbione | and i am off for the evening | 07:37 |
| crimsun | fabbione: great, have a good one. | 07:37 |
| fabbione | i am just too tired even to concentrate | 07:37 |
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| T-Bone | fabbione: it's more a question of "not having reasons to continue" | 07:37 |
| fabbione | T-Bone: bendy :-) | 07:37 |
| T-Bone | have a nice evening anyway :) | 07:38 |
| fabbione | it's the same here for sparc... | 07:38 |
| fabbione | i have hard time to keep it up | 07:38 |
| fabbione | but i still do it becuase i love sparc | 07:38 |
| fabbione | it will make it for hoary+1 :-) | 07:38 |
| zul | crimsun: heh i forgot to send fabio that patch | 07:38 |
| T-Bone | trouble is i don't like ia64 | 07:38 |
| fabbione | even if i will have to buy a cluster myseld | 07:38 |
| fabbione | cya | 07:38 |
| svenl | fabbione: the response to my problem was late_initcall, seems the various initcall are called at various moments ot the init. | 07:40 |
| zul | c ya fabbione | 07:40 |
| mdz | fabbione: please review the new kernel changes with me prior to upload | 07:44 |
| mdz | fabbione: are you applying the release criteria to them? currently we are only fixing high-impact bugs and simple, safe fixes | 07:44 |
| zul | heh down to 19 majors for the kernel | 09:21 |
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| zul | later | 09:57 |
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