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scizzodjp: the xine one or the gstreamer one?12:00
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djpscizzo: this is the workaround that i have read on the forums http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=6748&highlight=totem+blue12:00
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djpscizzo: totem-xine12:00
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djpscizzo: using totem to watch dvds the lot. so far no problems. apart from sometimes needing to restart the player due to the blue screen proble,.12:01
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quar_whats the new gnome burning app?12:01
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WWHello, world.12:02
UtnubuHello WW12:02
johsohello :D12:02
djphi WW12:02
quar_Anyone know the new app for burning the gnome one?12:02
johsoCould somebody recommend a burning program that actually works? ;)12:02
johsolol quar :D12:02
WWQuickie: What is the command to find the name of a numeric ip address?12:02
scizzodjp: ok...then I don't know12:02
[Spooky] johns^: k3b12:02
djpscizzo: by  the way, should have mentioned, i am using totem-xine under warty12:03
johsoI'm using gnome btw..12:03
WWSome sort of reverse lookup command?12:03
djpscizzo: no problems12:03
delltonycan someone tell me the mkisofs command right fast to backup a cd isn't it mkisofs -o someiso.iso /dev/hdc ?12:03
[Spooky] so am i...12:03
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Utnubuscizzo: I know why the screenshot is blue, but I can not deliver a solution with totem. With xine I would suggest12:03
Utnubuxine -V xshm video.avi12:03
johsocan one use k3b on gnome?12:03
WWjohso: Yes.12:03
djpscizzo: another workaround appears to be installing xine-gui, so it's possibly one of the two... just can't find a xorg.conf file where it is supposed to be.12:04
johsook, thanks - I heard that it wasn't possible..12:04
jintxo_while we're on the k3b topic... is there a way to get the qt apps to look like all the rest of the apps (take their setting from the gtk theme that is running)?12:04
djpUtnubu: yeah i have heard installing xine-gui may remedy the issue12:04
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jintxo_that would be awfully nice :-)12:05
WWAnybody?  If I have a numeric ip address, what is the command to find the name? I'm sure there is such a command...12:05
scizzodjp: well I am guessing you are using warty?12:05
scizzodjp: because xorg is in hoary12:05
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lokWW, use ifconfig12:05
Utnubudjp: The problem is that the screenshooting application isn't aware of xv (xvideo).12:05
djpscizzo: ok, thanks for that. yes warty here12:05
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delltonyww, i think your wanting whois12:06
jintxo_WW, maybe "host -T <ip>" ?12:06
scizzodjp: you are not using xorg then12:06
LordGrunti keep getting this error on ./configure :12:06
LordGruntchecking build system type... configure: error: cannot guess build type; you must specify one12:06
johsobtw, can k3b make audio cd's of .ogg files?12:06
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djpUtnubu: my problem was with the starting of totem. sometimes a blue screen which needs a restart and the neverything is fine.12:06
LordGruntwhat that might be?12:06
quar_does anyone know the name of the Gnome burning app?12:06
WWjintxo_: Thanks, that looks like it worked!12:06
djpscizzo: yep, thanks. that leaves me with just the other solution. cheers scizzo12:07
TheChucksterhow difficult is it to set up wireless networking on a noninternet connected ubuntu linux hoary preview system?12:07
Utnubudjp: Oh, that seems to be another problem. I am not aware of that one.12:07
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johsoquar_: there is a program nautilus-cd-burner with ubuntu, not sure if it's that program you're talking about..12:07
Utnubudjp: I prefer xine :-)12:07
djpUtnubu: it appears that the only workaround under warty is to install xine-gui12:07
quar_I need something to blank a cdrw12:08
djpUtnubu: sure. although totem has not been as bad as some of the comments i have read about it12:08
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WWquar: I've heard of gnomebaker (or gnome-baker)... but I've never used it.12:08
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tcktrying to play mp3's in hoary12:09
johsohow do you give k3b root privileges as default?12:09
OrangeSliceGnome 2.10 is quite nice12:09
tckits saying with 'rhythmbox' theres no plugin installed12:09
OrangeSliceI'm playing with the live cd :)12:09
tckanyone any suggestion12:09
djpUtnubu: always liked mplayer but cannot be bothered with the install process under warty. totem suits me for now (apart from the blue thingy) but i may stick xine-gui on at some point if i encounter any other issues with totem12:09
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Utnubudjp: What happens if you use ttoem-xine instead of totem-gstreamer?12:09
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WWjohso: I never bothered.  I added a menu item that starts k3b with gksudo.  A minor nuisance, but it works for me...12:10
djpUtnubu: that is what i am using12:10
TheChucksterhmm nobody try wireless yet?12:10
jintxo_tck, you prolly have to install the gstreamer-plugins12:10
FX|LaptopHello. Is anyone else have problems with no sound in Gaim running Hoary?12:10
LordGrunthow about my ./configure issue? ...?12:10
Utnubudjp: I used gxine for some time. You should take a look at it12:10
comunicacionesusing hoary, if you add another user, which groups is it supposed to belong so it can use gnome sounds (esound)? I added an user but Rhythmbox claims "could not open device for writing""12:11
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djpUtnubu: i know it seems strange that installing xine-gui should cure the issue, but that is only what i have read on a forum posting. i have not tried it out so cannot guarantee it actually works...12:11
johsoWW: so I can't run it from the 'Run Application' window with root privileges?12:11
djpUtnubu: might just do that12:11
comunicacionesxmms gives error when using esound, works fine with alsa and oss12:11
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tckjintxo_, ok12:12
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critterHow do I find out what gnome version I have?12:12
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FR500is there a hoary quick start guide?12:12
spiderwormhelp all how do i get ndiswrapper for my 64 bit system?12:12
WWjohso: I'm not sure what you can or can't do, just letting you know what I did.  (I'm running warty, by the way.)12:12
jintxo_comunicaciones, there's an "audio" group... could that be the one you're looking for?12:13
Utnubudjp: I just checked gxine under ubuntu, it seems to need some polishing :-(12:13
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johsoWW: hehe, okay ;) - what's gksudo? any difference from sudo?12:13
comunicacionesjintxo_, is added to the audio group, it can use alsa but not esound. The main user can use esound...12:13
OrangeSlicegksudo brings up a dialog12:13
OrangeSliceregular sudo can only be used from the terminal12:13
WWjohso: ...what OrangeSlice said ^12:13
djpUtnubu: thanks for the advice12:14
johsoahh, I see! :)12:14
andrewskianyone on hoary having trouble with udev and /dev/cdrom?12:14
OrangeSlicemuch as I'm loving this Gnome 2.10, it's time to boot back into my hard install because I miss all my music :p12:14
FR500wast hoary supposed to have the grafical boot ala FC3?12:15
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cocolOrangeSlice, try toinstall kdemultimedia12:15
sysrqandrewski: what do you mean by trouble?12:15
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djpis the 'add new item to this menu' working under hoary now?12:15
andrewskisysrq: the symlink from hdc -> cdrom needs to be manually created every time i boot.12:15
sysrqindeed, you will need to create a udev rule for it to be automatic12:16
Utnubudjp: I see some problems with gxine here under warty. The setup wizard has some problems accessing the cdrom and the dvd drive here. Strange ...12:16
andrewskisysrq: do you how i can do that?  or where i can find out how?12:16
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FR500wasn't hoary supposed to have the grafical boot ala FC3?12:17
sysrqandrewski: http://ubuntuguide.org/#symbolicdevdvd12:18
comunicacionesnobody in hoary tried adding another user???12:18
andrewskisysrq: thanks a lot.12:18
niranFR500: it got pushed back to the next release12:18
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PacoBCNcomunicaciones, sure, I did12:18
niranFR500: they're trying to do it in a cleaner way, so it's a bit harder12:18
sysrqandrewski: actually I take that back, those are bad directions12:18
comunicacionesPacoBCN, could you use esound with the new user?12:18
PacoBCNand it worked12:18
sysrqandrewski: take a gander at /etc/udev/cdsymlinks.conf12:19
PacoBCNdidn't try12:19
comunicacionesPacoBCN, which groups you added the user to?12:19
PacoBCNI added users for ftp accounts, only12:19
comunicacionesah ok12:19
comunicacionesthen nvm12:19
andrewskisysrq: ok, thanks.12:19
PacoBCNI just adduser it12:19
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PacoBCNbtw, I see the gtk-gnutella is solved12:20
FR500niran:  so no hoary but in the next branch?12:20
comunicacionesi need to know what is needed for an new user to access esound12:20
critterIs updating to gnome 2.10 a pretty heavey undertaking12:20
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djpUtnubu: have you made a symbolic link fo dev/dvd?12:20
mdkejintxo, same problem with a new user12:20
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FR500niran:  i could try to that by myself right? hope it's not a pain in the ass12:20
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niranFR500: you don't want to. it is a pain in the ass. the way mandrake, et al do it is with a patch to the kernel. you don't want to do that12:21
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jintxomdke, and it only happens whe nyou take down an interface? maybe a script is being run that is messing up? just a thought.... I think there are scripts in /etc/network/if-down.d that are run when you take down an interface, may be worth a look12:21
FR500niran:  but it looks so cool :(12:21
FR500lol, well12:22
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Xirdnehhi there. question... i downloaded an icon theme and i drag the directory then a window pop up asking me if i want to install it i press ok and it starts downloading de .png etc... but i cant select the theme i dont see it, ??? :s12:22
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Utnubudjp: Currently I am working on the cd problem. Maybee I will ask Guenther what he thinks. I see no reason why gxine cannot acces my cdrom. For the DVD, there is an easy explanation on the PC I am checking, gxine cannot access the dvd because there is no dvd drive :-D+12:22
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LordGrunthow about my ./configure issue? ...?12:22
LordGruntchecking build system type... configure: error: cannot guess build type; you must specify one12:22
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LordGruntwhy is that happening?12:22
mdkejintxo, if I do /etc/init.d/networking restart, i don't get the problem. Only if I deactivate and then reactivate from network-admin or if i take the wiki card out and plug back in12:22
encKe`anyone here have trouble dcc sending?12:22
KarlosIIso what is gnome 2.10 like?12:22
encKe`works great on winblows side12:22
spiderwormhey all according to this page http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper i should be able to find ndiswrapper-utils in my available package lists in synaptic, but its not there, can anyone help?12:22
UtnubuFrom where is ubuntu taking the software? From the projects or from debian?12:22
encKe`i have the ports forwarded correctly12:23
mdkespiderworm, you may need to add the universe repository12:23
critterAnyone Know how tough it is to upgrade to Gnome 2.1012:23
LordGruntor other case, how to install xorg?12:23
djpanybody update me as to hoary and adding items to the applications menu? is it working in the preview release?12:23
mdkecritter, not really difficult12:23
Utnubucritter: I updated to hoary, it was painless for me12:23
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FR500for a starter guide to appear i guess an stable release has to occur first, right?12:23
LinuxJonescritter, upgrade to hoary12:23
mdkedjp, only be done manually, on a systemwide basis to my knowledge12:23
KarlosIII'm considering but this nvidia broken things is holding me back12:23
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spiderwormmdke, i dont see the universe repo among my repos, is it safe?12:24
mdkespiderworm, yes perfectly12:24
critterCAn I do that with Synaptic12:24
spiderwormmdke, how do i add it?12:24
djpmdke: ok thanks12:24
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johsois there a mp4 plugin for k3b?12:24
tckok, installed every known gstreamer-plugin in synaptic12:24
KarlosIIare they working on a fix for nvidia12:24
tckstill no music for mp312:24
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mdkespiderworm, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto12:25
mdketck, gstreamer0.8-mad?12:25
mdketck, the RestrictedFormats wiki will guide you home12:25
mdke*wiki page12:25
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tckmdke, except that one12:25
tcklet me try it12:25
mdketck, always check the wiki ;)12:25
tckdunno, why it works off the bat for mates computers but not mine12:26
tckso thought it wasn'12:26
mdkedifferent OS12:26
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KarlosIItck, diff mobo?12:26
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tckthat sort of an issue12:26
mdkemp3s NEVER work out of the box on ubuntu12:26
spiderwormmdke, my synaptic doesnt have checkboxes for me to enable/disable repos, prolly cause im using the preview release, i'll just uncomment it if its in the sources.list file tho12:26
tckKarlosII, indeed12:26
spiderwormmdke, thanx12:26
scizzotck: what happens?12:26
FR500mdke:  try beep media player12:26
FR500it rocks12:26
mdkeFR500, i like rhythmbox myself12:27
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dphasebeep is excellent12:27
FR500mdke:  well, ok12:27
FR500dphase:  yes, it's like xmms but clean12:27
niranmuine > all other music players.12:27
encKe`ive opened ports to dcc but still wont go. What else do i need to take into consideration12:27
KING^^^how can i change my screen resolution higher than 1024x768 ?12:27
KarlosIIreset your rtr12:27
gillesThe sound bugs on my hoary, I have to type "killall -9 esd" before being able to listen to anything. Can I fix that ?12:27
tckscizzo, xmms hangs, totem complain about no plugin, same as 'rhythmbox'12:27
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FR500well hibernation works.........once, i turn back on and no hibernation anymore12:28
encKe`me KarlosII ?12:28
Utnubutck: Try installing libmad12:28
mdketck, you just need gstreamer0.8-mad12:28
spiderwormmdke, the universe packages arent official... you're sure they're safe?  the whole reason i switched from FC3 to ubuntu was because of unsupported package problems i created for myself ;)12:28
KarlosIIencKe`, sure12:28
mdketck, it will be fine12:28
tckit works with rhythmbox :)12:28
scizzotck: well xmms is not using gstreamer12:28
tcktwas the mad codec12:28
mdkespiderworm, yes don't worry :)12:28
tckonly one i didnt install12:28
tckjust my luck :P12:28
nirangilles: when the sound isn't working right, type "ps -ef | grep esd" in a terminal12:28
scizzotck: if you want totem to run...try totem-xine12:29
scizzotck: instead of totem-gstreamer12:29
tckscizzo, what will make xmms play it12:29
spiderwormwhat does this mean: W: Couldn't stat source package list http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_universe_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)12:29
scizzotck: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats12:29
mdkego wiki12:29
spiderwormno such file or dir on my system, or on the server?12:29
niranspiderworm: do an apt-get update12:29
spiderwormok doing it now, thanx12:30
gillesniran: okay, i'll reboot and try that12:30
FR500can i just install over warty keeping my software intact?12:30
spiderwormmdke, lol lots more packages but still no ndiswrapper12:31
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coredhi all12:31
djphi cored12:31
wm_eddientfs rw isn't supported in the stock warty kernel right?12:31
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mdkespiderworm, maybe it doesn't exist for 6412:32
niranwm_eddie: no, you need captive ntfs for that12:32
mdkespiderworm, i am not sure12:32
mdkespiderworm, but... there is a wiki for ndiswrapper too!12:32
spiderwormmdke, hmmm.... damn12:32
djphas anybody got phpwiki to work with apache2?12:32
spiderwormwiki... love wikis... ok thanx... do you have a url for the wiki perchance?12:32
mdkespiderworm, http://wiki.ubuntu.com12:33
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KING^^^how can i change my screen resolution higher than 1024x768 ?12:33
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mdkeKING^^^, system -> preferences -> screen resolution?12:34
KarlosIIis it possible to use the ubuntu repository to get gnome 2.10 on my debian box?12:34
KING^^^no , i can't , mdke12:34
UtnubuKING^^^ sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree8612:34
apokryphosKING^^^: if it's not possible in there, then you'll have to reconfigure your x.12:34
KING^^^1024 is maximum12:34
apokryphosKING^^^: xfree or xorg?12:34
mdkeyeah reconfigure your server12:34
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apokryphosKING^^^: I'd say you can still do it with xfree, but my memory is failing with regards to it.12:34
UtnubuIn the following dialog you will be asked about the resolution, mark the resolution you need12:34
niranKarlosII: it'll be ugly. you'll basically end up with ubuntu. why not just install it?12:34
bl4cks4ilshow can i hook my laptop up a monitor?12:35
critterupgrading to hoary to mean for a nebie like Me :)12:35
KarlosIIniran I'm thinking about it12:35
bl4cks4ilsdo i need to edit to XF86Config-4 file?12:35
comunicacionesThis might be a problem with Hoary...12:35
KING^^^a few months ago a friend told me to edit something , but i forgot what12:35
scizzoKING^^^: /etc/X11/XFree86Config-412:35
KING^^^there i put 1280x1024 or anything and it worked12:35
bl4cks4ilswhat do i add in that file?12:36
comunicacionesif anyone added another user to hoary, and was able to use esound, please tell me how12:36
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bl4cks4ilsis there a doc on ubuntu's site i can look at?12:36
nirancomunicaciones: try adding the new user to all the groups that you're in12:36
comunicacionesalready did, same error12:36
comunicacionesok i just miss adm12:37
niranwell that sucks.12:37
comunicacionesill try again12:37
comunicacioneseven with adm...12:37
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cgis it possible to watch tv with a ATI card AIW?12:38
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tckhmm mplayer isnt in my synaptic12:38
cgin hoary!!12:38
NeoChaosXit's there if you're using hoary12:38
scizzotck: read the restricted formats styff12:39
tcki did12:39
mdketck, not enough12:39
scizzodid you read about the repositories?12:39
tcki think some of the .ie mirrors i use are broken12:39
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cgnobody knows?12:40
NeoChaosXwhat is his problem?12:40
Utnubucg: I have an AIW 9000 and an AIW pro12:40
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UtnubuI was never able to use the AIW 9000 under Linux :-(12:41
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cgUtnubu: it works in hoary?12:41
mdketck, what messages do you get when you refresh?12:41
el_cristianohi there12:41
scizzotime to sleep12:41
Aronhey guys - I'm looking for a package called Flex, it's in some repository or another but I can't remember where, and I just had to format yesterday :(12:41
tcki'll get it now12:41
mdkenite scizzo12:41
UtnubuUsing the AIW pro was painfull. I bought a cheap tv card at ebay, that worked pretty well :-)12:41
comunicacionesIt does the same: could not open resource for writting (Rhythmbox 0.8.8)12:41
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AronIt's not in Universe, Multiverse, or Main...12:42
Aronat least not now12:42
AronI was sure it was in multiverse...12:42
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Utnubucg: I tried the AIWs under Debian unstable not under ubuntu, but i guess the results will be similar under ubuntu12:42
fleebailey66im trying to connect warty tp a 2wire wifi card. its not reconizing it any ideas?12:42
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Utnubucg: Take a look at gatos.sourceforge.net12:42
NeoChaosXAron: it should be in the repositories. tried searching with synaptic?12:43
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comunicacionesonly thing i have not tried is sudo xmms :(12:43
AronNeoChaos: That's what I'm doing.12:43
YomicAnyone have any idea why Ubuntu is running so slow on my machine?12:43
el_cristianogot a little problem with sane. it's looking good so far, ive installed the newest version of sane-backends from sane-project.org and the module is loaded. even my scanner light is turned on now :) but xsane, sane-find-scanner and scanimage can't recognize my scanner. what am i doing wrong?12:43
NeoChaosXMain, specifically12:43
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comunicacionesill do just for fun12:43
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NeoChaosXHuh, weird. I see flex in my synaptic listings12:43
Aronw00t it suddenly appears!12:43
NeoChaosXAh, good12:44
AronI had to do an apt-get update, the previous one must've failed without a message or somesuch12:44
Aronprobably when my Internet connection died, I thought it finished but I guess not12:44
comunicacioneshehehe, nope, even sudo wont do !12:44
comunicacionesthats weird, the default user can use Esound just fine.. how come nothing else can???12:44
YomicAnyone have any idea why Ubuntu is running so slow on my machine? I have a (cheap ass) 700Mhz processor with 312Mb RAM.12:45
johsohmm, where do you get GnomeBaker in a deb package?12:45
NeoChaosXYomic: use a smaller windows/desktop manager12:45
YomicWhat do you suggest?12:45
NeoChaosXXFCE is good from what I've heard12:46
woodwizzlejust curious, but anyone here tried NeroLinux yet?12:46
spiderwormsudo -s instead of su - ???12:46
NeoChaosXGNOME (and KDE) can be slow on older systems12:46
el_cristianoNeoChaosX: you forgot the (tm) :)12:47
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NeoChaosXcris: Why would I need that?12:47
woodwizzleI like XFCE4 a lot, especially computers that need a lightweight system. However I would think 700mhz and 312mb of ram would be MORE than enough for gnome12:47
speedy2782I am looking for a tutor to help me through a wifi setup12:47
Aron*blinkblink* gcc not found? @_@...lol *goes and gets it*12:47
r1siblecomunicaciones: try setting auto_spawn=1 in /etc/esound/esd.conf , log out, log in again then try your sound12:47
speedy2782I am using ndiswrapper12:47
mjryah, Yomic's box seems quite enough for gnome12:47
speedy2782I need a ndiswrapper tutor12:47
apokryphosYomic: kde is good :P12:47
mjrmemory is critical, and that there is12:47
speedy2782who is he man?12:47
speedy2782who can help a 4 day old newb?12:48
speedy2782I have installed the .inf and have not been able to access the AP12:48
el_cristianohmm, nobody got an idea whats wrong with my scanner-setup? :)12:48
YomicIt seems to lag (especially noticable with opening Firefox and it takes 7-8 seconds to open *_*)12:49
speedy2782when I dhclient I don't get anything back12:49
NeoChaosXmaybe it's the hardware?12:49
r1sibleAron, sudo apt-get install build-essential12:49
speedy2782I have used two different wifi cars12:49
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r1sibleoh he left...12:49
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Yomicmrj & apokryphos: Any idea why GNOME would be lagging so badly on it?12:51
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KING^^^why i can't find xine-ui ?12:52
NeoChaosXto anybody that has also upgraded to Hoary: did you have problems with the Marillat repositories after updating?12:52
KING^^^to install it12:52
mdkeNeoChaosX, what do you need marillat for?12:53
NeoChaosXjust wondering12:53
jintxoNeoChaosX, the only problem I have is that mplayer doesn't like my lirc setup, but otherwise works ok12:53
mdkeNeoChaosX, i was gonna say, most packages are now in universe/multiverse12:53
NeoChaosXYeah, I've noticed that12:53
mdkeNeoChaosX, they are generally preferably because they are specifically built for ubuntu12:54
el_cristianojintxo: what has mplayer got to do with lirc?!12:54
NeoChaosXyeah, I just learned that trying to install Mplayer yesterday12:54
mdkeNeoChaosX, yeah :)12:54
jintxoel_cristiano, well it has lirc support...12:54
mdkeNeoChaosX, w32codecs is still not in multiverse tho iirc12:54
NeoChaosXYeah, that's my only complaint12:54
mdkei just add marillat and remove it12:54
jintxowhich btw does not work on my system12:55
bob2since no one on earth has permission to distribute it12:55
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el_cristianoanyone who mastered sane in here? ;)12:55
NeoChaosXFor now, I'm just getting the codecs from the MPlayer site and extracting them to /usr/share/win3212:55
mdkebob2, irony ;)12:55
KING^^^why i can't find xine-ui ?12:55
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LeeColletonbob2: well, MS can distribute it12:55
bob2KING^^^: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats12:55
bob2KING^^^: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto12:55
bob2LeeColleton: no, it's not even all from them12:55
bob2it has Real codecs and such12:56
LeeColletonmaybe we could ask them nicely for permission to include it with Ubuntu12:56
mdkexine-ui is in universe12:56
bob2and quicktime12:56
PacoBCNseems that at last the last array detects USB keyboards at boot12:56
mdkebob2, there are opensource real and quicktime players tho right?12:56
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LeeColletonI mean include it in multiverse12:56
ad-rockhi yall12:56
bob2mdke: not for real, afaik12:56
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el_cristianomdke: mplayer can play *.movs at least12:56
mdkebob2, realalternative12:56
bob2LeeColleton: no, no one at all can distribute that tarball12:57
mdkeused to use it on windows12:57
mjr"quicktime" doesn't really say anything about the codecs; for some codecs commonly encapsulated into qt, there are free implementations; for some, not12:57
LeeColletonbob2: what if they live in a country with lax copyright laws, like Russia?12:57
r1sibleLeeColleton: any guesses on the odds against MS agreeing to let a linux distro use their codecs?12:57
quaruptcan i borrow someone who has a full sources list for hoary's list?12:57
bob2mdke: "ou do need a player that is capable of playing RealMedia and the included Media player "12:57
bob2mdke: it requires the codecs from somewhere12:58
mdkeit supplies the codecs i believe12:58
mdkeit uses the opensource version of WMP12:58
PacoBCNMULTIMEDIA CODECS: Can any of you see this stream video? mms://vmedia.tin.it/LA7-180K12:58
bob2quarupt: er, you have one already. /etc/apt/sources.list.12:58
quaruptnot a "full" one lol12:58
boobytrappedHi all. I am just wondering if anybody has got a USB audio device working on warty.12:58
bob2mdke: that seems unlikely, since it links to free-codecs.com.12:58
mdkebob2, the features list looks promising12:59
zenwhenhey bob2: how would I keep the module "pcspkr" from loadng at boot12:59
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mdkehi miausX12:59
bob2mdke: yes, but it still requires non-free codecs12:59
miausXhi mdke :)12:59
bob2zenwhen: /etc/hotplug/blacklist, presumably12:59
mdkebob2, they need to rename that website i guess01:00
davidhello all01:00
apokryphosquarupt: Mine: www.youmortals.com/stuff/sources.list. Comment out as appropriate.01:00
davidI need help to diagnose a kernel panic01:00
zenwhenbob2, thanks01:01
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davidis anyone willing to help me ?01:01
bob2david: file a bug, if you think your ram is ok and no one else has01:01
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bob2unless it's panicing on boot because you compiled a broken kernel01:02
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mdkeguys is it sufficient in the current hoary to just have one line in /etc/apt/sources.list?01:02
bob2there's no "sufficient"01:02
mdkei don't understand the security... update business01:03
bob2if you want access to the whole Hoary archive, one line is enough01:03
bob2there are no security updates yet, afaik01:03
davidit is not after update01:03
mdkecool so just deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted universe multiverse?01:03
davidkernel panic just like this01:03
mdkethanks bob201:03
davidkernel panic : attempt to kill init01:04
mdkebob2, are you the aussie bob?01:04
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binbrainfew things. I just installed unbuntu on my ibook01:04
shevegenok, ubuntu is working except for my internet connection (am on a live cd right now). My newbie question, anyone knows what I need to change?01:04
binbrainand I can't figure out what right click is01:04
bob2mdke: I'm in australia, yeah...01:04
binbraindifferent from deb01:04
binbrainand also, is there an equiv to deb's unstable01:04
r1siblebinbrain: F11 and F1201:05
binbrainfor sources.list01:05
mdkebob2, i remember chatting to you on here when you were over in the uk last year01:05
bob2binbrain: hoary01:05
LaneyHow can I enable/disable my tv-out port?01:05
bob2mdke: ah, right01:05
binbrainok, so hoary is testing01:05
bob2binbrain: no01:05
mdkebob2, hope you're doing well01:05
bob2binbrain: there's just warty and hoary atm, stable and nustable01:05
binbrainno,, warty01:05
bob2mdke: heh, i am, thanks01:05
binbrainis installed right now01:05
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binbrainwarty is stable, hoary is unstable01:06
binbrainso I need to switch it to hoary then right01:06
wjesus_axlhow do u sign in01:06
mdkebob2, since you're here would you pass your eyes over https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7602 and let me know if there is something obvious i am missing01:06
wjesus_axlhoe do u get into the mdos thingy01:07
r1siblemdos thingy ? :/01:07
mdkewjesus_axl, put in your username and password01:07
bob2binbrain: no, you don't "need" to01:08
mdkeis the usual regime01:08
mdkebinbrain, warty is good :)01:08
wjesus_axlim confused01:08
binbrainmdke, i need to bleed01:08
mdkebinbrain, how come?01:08
binbrainwarty isn't bleeding is it01:08
bob2wjesus_axl: what are you trying to do?01:08
wjesus_axlim a dam comfused bitch01:08
KING^^^how can i install my video card ?01:09
binbrainmdke, so for ppc you suggest not bleeding?01:09
wjesus_axlU PLUG IT IN01:09
mdkebinbrain, i would never recommend bleeding01:09
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wjesus_axlWAT IS BLEEDING01:09
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binbraini bleed in debian ppc and had very few issues01:09
bob2wjesus_axl: please stop it01:09
r1siblewjesus_axl: please, caps lock01:09
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mdkewjesus_axl, yeah, no caps. Describe your problem and we will help ya01:10
mdkecaps are aggressive01:10
r1siblewjesus_axl: you don't need to scream01:10
bob2mdke: hah, weird...I've noticed weird stuff happening when I take down an interface, too01:10
wjesus_axlFINE ILL GO NOW01:10
mdkebob2, no way?01:10
gillesi always have the following error msg in synaptics: "W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907"01:10
gilleshow to fix it ?01:10
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NeoChaosXremove the marillat repositories01:10
bob2gilles: import the key with apt-key01:10
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mdkegilles, check the RestrictedFormats wiki in the marillat section for more info01:11
mdke*wiki page01:11
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honewhat do I have ot enable in the kernel to get cpufreqd?01:11
gillesbob2: with what command ? apt-key what ?01:11
mdkehone, it is already there. but only some chips are supported01:11
eruinI wish the ubuntu kernels came with support for my sata chipset01:12
eruindma support....01:12
mdkebob2, i have another ridiculous bug, where if I put cds/ipod in, they mount but don't appear on the desktop01:12
honemdke: I'm compilinga custom kernel01:12
bob2hone: nothing, it's enabled by default01:12
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mdkehone, ok then cpufreq would help01:12
honemdke: where is that01:12
bob2mdke: I've heard of that happening before01:12
mdkehone, near the top somewhere01:13
honemdke: you know what it is in .config?01:13
mdkehone, in the acpi/apm section01:13
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mdkehone, can't tell you more specifically than that, i don't have source installed01:13
woodwizzleIs totem playback kinda sketchy for anyone else in here on hoary?01:13
mdkebob2, you are reassuring me... i thought it was just my system01:13
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NeoChaosXwoodwizzle: I've had audio problems with WMVs in Totem01:14
mdkewoodwizzle, dvd?01:14
robtaylorwoodwizzle: yes, this is dues to a number of things01:14
robtaylor1st off, install esound01:14
hone# CPU Frequency scaling01:14
robtayloras polypaudio is now being removed from hoary01:15
honeisnt' that it?01:15
mdkehone, that'll do. what is your chip tho?01:15
KING^^^artur@ubuntu:~ $ sudo nvidia-glx-config enable01:15
KING^^^Error: your XFree86 configuration has been altered.01:15
KING^^^This script cannot proceed automatically. If you believe that this01:15
KING^^^not correct, you can update the md5sum entry executing the following01:15
KING^^^sudo md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum01:15
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mdkehone, why in gods name are you recompiling btw?01:15
KING^^^otherwise edit manually /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 to change the Driver section01:15
KING^^^from nv to nvidia.01:15
KING^^^why ?01:15
mdkeKING^^^, that is too much pasting01:15
bob2KING^^^: it seems pretty clear01:15
bob2KING^^^: you edited that file01:15
KING^^^yes to add more resolutions01:15
robtaylorand then the remaining issue is that the gstreamer esd sink  doesnt have delay calcuclation, which i'm working on atm01:15
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shevegenhmm how do i use dhcp ? my ubuntu install has no internet connection atm01:16
binbrainmdke: sorry, /me going bleeding hoary01:16
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robtaylorwoodwizzle: for my machine i run esound but also set up a alsa dmix device and make the gstreamer sink alsasink01:16
KING^^^so ... what do i have to do bob2 ?01:16
mdkebinbrain, what is the reason?01:16
robtaylorthat seeems to work quite well01:16
mdkeKING^^^, it tells you doesn't it?01:16
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binbrainmdke: stable is no fun01:17
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mdkewoodwizzle, he said: robtaylor woodwizzle: for my machine i run esound but also set up a alsa dmix device and make the gstreamer sink alsasink01:17
mdkebinbrain, sure it is01:17
bob2KING^^^: ?01:17
comunicacionesThanks, that seemed to solve the problem with Esound01:17
mdkebinbrain, unstable is not fun01:17
r1sibleKING^^^: did you *happen* to read what it said?01:17
woodwizzleNeoChaosX, I'm having audio troubles with an AVI01:17
binbrainmdke: maybe I could help find some bugs on the way01:17
bob2KING^^^: change it back01:17
NeoChaosXOh, I see01:17
mdkebinbrain, yes that is true01:17
bob2KING^^^: or edit the file manually01:17
woodwizzlemdke, Hmm I'll try that01:17
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rknSo much01:17
mdkewoodwizzle, i have no idea, i was just pasting in case you hasn't seen it01:18
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mdkecos you pinged out maybe01:18
rknSo how much extra "Just Work" stuff does ubuntu have over debian?01:18
woodwizzleYeah, I got discoes, thanks =)01:18
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bob2try it and see01:18
KING^^^change the Driver section01:18
KING^^^from nv to nvidia.01:18
NeoChaosXrobtaylor: They're removing polypaudio? Why is that?01:18
KING^^^i have done it01:18
woodwizzlerkn: When I installed hoary. My cpu frequency scaling and wifi were automatically setup and configured01:18
Yomichttp://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=19869 <---- Which of these files (in 2.4.4) do I need to install this desktop?01:19
krodhow long does ubuntu take to send CDs?01:19
KING^^^but it doesn't work01:19
woodwizzleBoth of those have been VERY hard for me to setup in other distros01:19
mdkewoodwizzle, that is flair01:19
robtaylorNeoChaosX: various upstream issues that can't be fixed in time for hoary01:19
bob2KING^^^: then you did something wrong01:19
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bob2KING^^^: read the instructions again01:19
NeoChaosXHm, I see01:19
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mdkewoodwizzle, no firmware needed even?01:19
bob2krod: I don't think any more ar going out until after hoary01:19
krodhow long does ubuntu take to send CDs? ^^01:19
krodoh ok01:19
robtaylorNeoChaosX: i think upstream has disapeared actually =)01:19
bob2krod: no need to keep repating over and over01:19
Yomickrod: 4-6 weeks01:19
krodbecause i have been waiting for about 2 months :)01:19
woodwizzlemdke, nope, It just worked =)01:19
mdkewoodwizzle, that is immense01:20
mdkewhat wifi card? i want one] 01:20
krodsorry bob201:20
quaruptNERO linux port!!!!!01:20
NeoChaosXSo I guess I'll have to set up an ALSA mixing device again?01:20
mdkequarupt, yep01:20
woodwizzlemdke, Its not a card. Its a centrino chip in a laptop01:20
mdkequarupt, it works too01:20
rknSo is the ubuntu installer just d-i?  It should behave sanely and not blow away my existing data, right?01:20
r1siblequarupt: old news...01:20
mdkewoodwizzle, oh super cool01:20
quaruptnot for me i just heard01:20
quaruptis it free?01:20
bob2rkn: it's based on d-i, yes01:20
bob2quarupt: no01:20
JDahlquarupt, it a crippled version... not better than OS alternatives01:20
mdkequarupt, nope you have to pay01:20
bob2why does everyone care about nero so much?01:20
bob2cd burning seems pretty boring01:21
NeoChaosXwell, strange, polypaudio isn't installed01:21
mdkeso far it is the only burner which detects my drive actually01:21
NeoChaosXI wonder how I'm getting sound in multiple apps01:21
woodwizzlemdke, Yeah I couldn't believe it. It was such a pain to set up that in Arch linux. And I've never gotten frequency scaling working before01:21
mdkeon ubuntu at least01:21
Yomichttp://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=19869 <---- Which of these files (in 2.4.4) do I need to install this desktop?01:21
mdkeNeoChaosX, esd?01:21
honewhat's this firmware imgae thing01:21
honefor the ipw2100?01:21
mdkehone, why why why are you recompiling?01:21
tritiumNeoChaosX, Hoary?  they're switching back to esound anyway...01:21
honemdke: trackpoint support01:21
honemdke: wacom tablet01:21
NeoChaosXTritium: Yeah, I've got Hoary01:21
honemdke: and suspend to disk01:21
mdkewe have suspend to disk don't we?01:22
NeoChaosXI dist-upgraded the day of the preview release01:22
bob2Yomic: you really don't need to repeat over and over01:22
quaruptwanyone know a support chan for the GATOS project?01:22
NeoChaosXI think I may have saved my config files from Warty, don't exactly remember how01:22
tritiumNeoChaosX, yeah, that's the plan01:22
bob2hone: um, ubuntu includes suspend to disk01:22
bob2in hoary01:22
bob2Yomic: also, xfce is IN ubuntu01:23
bob2Yomic: you don't download any of those files01:23
honebob2: in warty there is no suspend to disk01:23
YomicHello, bob2. It seems that no one likes to answer my questions (sans a few). Out of the last 10 questions I asked in here, 2 where answered.01:23
YomicBtw: Thanks for the help XD01:23
honebob2: but mainnly it's for the trackpoint/wacom01:23
bob2Yomic: er?01:23
mdkeIMO its ok to repeat questions. People often answer the 2nd or 3rd time.01:24
r1sibleYomic: maybe something to do with how you asked then?01:24
bob2Yomic: if people don't know, they won't answer01:24
bob2mdke: not twice in 2 minutes01:24
bob2Yomic: and repeating over and over makes it less likely for people to help you01:24
mdkenite all01:24
Yomicbob2: I realize that, but once it goes off screen it's kinda hard for them to know the probleam, ay?01:24
miausXnite :)01:25
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r1sibleYomic: wait until a few more people have joined  before repeating and wait for a decent intervel - maybe 15 minutes01:26
Yomicrlsible: Sounds reasonable.01:26
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honebob2: what's wrong w/ compiling your own kernel?01:28
bob2it's just pointless make-work for 99% of people01:29
r1sibleYomic: also, you assumed you needed some files you didn't need - maybe a better question would have been "Can I install xfce in Ubuntu? Where should I look?"01:29
honebob2: but not all the features are support in the ubuntu kernel01:30
honebob2: well, stuff you need ot use the source to compile stuff01:30
bob2hone: for example?01:31
bob2if something isn't supported by default, it should be01:32
Yomicrlsible: But I knew where xfce was and was aware that it could be installed. I was not aware that it was already in Ubuntu.01:32
Yomicisntalled in Ubuntu*01:32
honebob2: dunno when I tried ot use hibernate01:32
honebob2: said it wasn't built in my kernel01:32
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YomicBut thanks for the suggestions anyways. ;)01:33
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r1sibleYomic: sure - you did some legwork: it was the framing of the question  :)01:33
quaruptwhen you drink pop, are you removing pop or adding air?01:34
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honebob2: trying to get my wacom to work really badly01:35
honebob2: input is all crazy01:35
honebob2: or doesn't work01:35
quaruptman Kaffine is an awesome media player01:35
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YomicBy the way, how would I go about changing my desktop environment? ^_^'01:37
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evilbuttersI just istalled Ubuntu and when I go to start it up, the XSEVER starts but my montior says Screen Resolution to big, but I can start in safe mode and type in a command to the root so I was wondering what do I type in to fix this prolbem?01:37
evilbuttersany help woul be appreciated01:38
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el_cristianoim having problems getting my scanner to work alright. I downloaded sane-backends from sane-project.org and installed it already, even the lamp of my scanner is on, but neither scanimage nor sane-find-scanner nor xsane recognize my plustek p1201:39
FR500where can i get info on wpasupplicant?01:39
BlacksadHi, I have a small question, is the hoary preview  subject to breakage like the preceding pre-release version? or can I install it without much worries?01:39
el_cristianoBlacksad: I installed it today. Its working like a charm01:40
PlacainI am trying to share a folder on my ubuntu server using SMB. I selected 'read only' and 'allow browsing folder' in the dialog box, and it created a set of lines in my smb.conf for me where public=yes, but when I try to connect to that share from a windows machine, it asks for a username and password. Even if I give a valid username and password, it still won't connect.01:40
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el_cristianoBlacksad: no problems so far, except of my scanner %)01:40
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binbrainanything less then Hoary is uncivilized01:40
FR500el_cristiano:  did u update from warty or clean install?01:40
el_cristianoFR500: clean install -> preview cd01:41
tckhmm i have 'multiverse' in sources01:41
el_cristianoim so sad nobodys helping me :*(01:41
Blacksadevilbutters, try nano /etc/X11/X86Config-4 and change the screen resolution in the file01:41
tckbut w32codecs wont install01:41
FR500el_cristiano:  is there a way to upgrade?01:41
tcksais its referenced by another, any ideas peeps ?01:41
FR500el_cristiano:  do you have repositories01:41
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el_cristianoFR500: dunno if you can upgrade, i think i saw something in the wiki01:42
el_cristianowait a sec01:42
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Blacksadel_cristiano, binbrain: thanks01:42
el_cristianoFR500: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary01:43
el_cristianoBlacksad: np01:43
binbrainBlacksad: just as a warning I have never used Ubuntu before today01:43
FR500el_cristiano:  what help do you need?01:43
el_cristianoim having problems getting my scanner to work alright. I downloaded sane-backends from sane-project.org and installed it already, even the lamp of my scanner is on, but neither scanimage nor sane-find-scanner nor xsane recognize my plustek p1201:43
binbrainso take el_cristiano's word for it01:43
gillesDespite my fstab containing (/dev/hda1 /mnt/winsys ntfs user,noauto,ro,exec,umask=0 0 0), the ntfs partition is not recognized01:44
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evilbuttersBlacksad its saying no such file or directory01:44
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el_cristianogilles: try to remove the white spaces @ umask    = umask=0000   aaaaaaaah error, 0000 would mean read/write, but theres no writing support for ntfs01:46
el_cristianouse 0222 instead so you can read/execute01:46
evilbuttersI just istalled Ubuntu and when I go to start it up, the XSEVER starts but my montior says Screen Resolution to big, but I can start in safe mode and type in a command to the root so I was wondering what do I type in to fix this prolbem?01:47
Blacksadevilbutters,  I thought that you were using warty, while you might be using hoary, then type nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf01:47
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evilbutterslet me try that01:48
evilbuttersit works01:49
YomicHow do I change my desktop environment (or where can I go to find out how?)01:49
gillesif i don't remove the noauto, how can i mount it manually ?01:49
evilbuttersbut takes me to a screen with a bunch of options01:49
evilbutterswhich do I choose Blacksad01:49
r1sibleYomic: if you mean xfce, if you have the right repositories set, you can just do ` sudo apt-get install xfce `01:50
YomicOkay, thanks.01:50
r1sibleYomic: is that what you mean?01:50
r1sibleYomic: do you have universe enabled in your repository sources?01:51
YomicI don't know. I have messed with much system-wise; I am a linux noob01:51
SidDithersLdoes anyone here know whats wrong with this? in my wpa_dhcp it gives me an error on this line: if [[ $STATUS -ne 1 ] ] , saying that the error token is "$"01:52
SidDithersLwhats wrong with that line?01:52
r1sibleYomic: OK - in the synaptic package manager, go to settings,  repositories and tick all the boxes01:52
r1sibleYomic: you know where to find the package manager, right?01:53
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mlambieis there a daemon that will wake a suspended machine up when battery hits 2% and force a hibernation?01:53
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r1sibleYomic:  in warty,  Computer >> system config >> synaptic01:54
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geneo932% is kinda low01:54
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r1sibleYomic: found it?01:55
YomicYup, all are checked.01:55
r1siblehit reload01:55
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SidDithersLanybody know?01:55
r1sibleYomic: that will update your source lists01:56
quarupthow do ya reconfigure xorg again? dpkg-reconfigure xorg  ???01:56
r1sibleYomic: then you can search the list for Xfce01:56
YomicOkay... Done.01:56
StoffBox-Stevedpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg quarupt01:56
r1siblequarupt: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg01:56
geneo93well my disk use issue was solved with fsck01:57
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r1sibleYomic: you can use synaptic to install it, or the command line (synaptic is easier for you)01:57
YomicI have been installing things with apt-get recently.01:58
andrewskiis there any documentation on setting up a scanner in ubuntu?  (or even something general)01:58
geneo93Yomic:  do a apt-get dist-upgrade01:58
r1sibleYomic: the only problem you might have is getting xfce to load from the login (GDM)01:58
zentopnvidia is broken how01:58
zentopre: the topic01:58
el_cristianoandrewski: yes, wait a sec01:59
andrewskiel_cristiano: sure, thanks.01:59
geneo93r1sible:  its got kde in it so xfce wont be a problem01:59
sysrqzentop: the driver randomly stops working and you have to reinstall the driver to get it working again01:59
zentopyou mean the official package or the one from the repos?02:00
zentopits been running fine for me all day02:00
sysrqI know the nvidia installer does, not sure about the ones in the repos02:00
r1siblegeneo93: in warty, when I installed xfce it wasn't in the list, as far as I can remember02:00
sysrqit doesn't stop when you are running02:01
sysrqjust after reboots02:01
zentopwell I am still using 6229 from the repos02:01
mlambie2% was a number I made up. i mean when the battery is just about to die, it un-suspends and hibernates instead02:01
r1siblegeneo93: I may be wrong though02:01
binbrainok, having a problem with right clicking on my ibook02:01
binbrainany help here02:01
andrewskir1sible: it's in universe, but it's the 4.0 branch.  currently, xfce is on 4.202:01
geneo93hmm well i think it takes a reboot or two r1sible02:01
r1siblebinbrain: use the F11 and f12 keys to emulate the buttons02:01
SidDithersLwho here uses wpa_supplicant?02:02
r1sibleandrewski: no, I meant "appearing in the GDM list" for session choice :)02:03
el_cristianoandrewski: well, which good tips could fit your need now... hmm, i thought there was a guide anywhere, but i guess i am talking about the forum, ill look around a bit .... its just that ive been working for 3-4h now to get my plustek p12 working02:03
mlambieSidDithersL: is that for roaming between APs?02:03
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SidDithersLit's for using WPA protection on your laptop02:03
SidDithersLat least thats what I was told02:03
andrewskiel_cristiano: oh, i forgot about looking in the forums; i just searched the wiki.  so there's good stuff out there?02:03
r1siblebinbrain: you might need to touch the fn keys as well, but I'm unsure on that as I'm not on my iBook atm02:04
mlambieSidDithersL: http://0pointer.de/lennart/projects/waproamd/ -- it migh tbe for WPA but I'v ehead people using it for roaming access02:04
Yomicgeneo32: So that apt-get command will do what Synaptics would have done?02:04
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tranceconsciousHELP!!!! I'm gonna smash the damn thing02:05
tranceconsciousI'm really pissed off02:05
tranceconsciousWhat am I asking for?02:06
StoffBox-Stevecan i install ubuntu from harddrive w/o cd ?02:06
Yomictransconcious: I will help you... smash it.02:06
r1sibleYomic, no , he was recommending you upgrade the whole system to the most recent security updates etc02:06
geneo93yes well that to get actual updates what you did was just update the sources Yomic02:06
tckdoes anyone elses mplayer (hoary) run without X02:06
tranceconsciousTo set up a display driver, and a modem dial up connection with callback02:06
YomicI see.02:06
bryan_nero for linux looks promising02:06
binbrainrlsible, the f11 and f12 keys don't work and holding fn well I press them don't work either02:06
SidDithersLlol mlambie I dont think waproamd is what im looking for02:06
tckbryan_, you dont have a copy of it do you ?02:07
geneo93apt-get update the apt-get dist-upgrade Yomic02:07
bryan_i do02:07
SidDithersLespecially when their website specifically tells me to use wpa_supplicant instead :P02:07
tckbryan_, you gonna stick it up anywhere ?02:07
r1siblebinbrain: hmm - I'll boot up my iBook - hang on02:07
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tranceconsciouscan someone help me please?02:07
geneo93Yomic:  just do a apt-get --help02:07
el_cristianoandrewski: i can just tell you what i found out what i have to do for my printer, that was: go to www.sane-project.org and download the sane-backends, then read the docs etc. and install the stuff, and you just gotta follow the docs, thats it .. (not for me, but who cares? :))02:08
binbrainrlsible: cntrl seems to work with f1002:08
sysrqtranceconscious: don't ask to be helped, ask a question and if someone can and is willing to help they will02:08
YomicWill do once it is done updating02:08
el_cristianoandrewski: ftp://ftp.sane-project.org/pub/sane/sane-backends-1.0.1502:08
andrewskiel_cristiano: aren't the sane backends available in ubuntu?02:08
tranceconsciousI want to set up a dial up connection to my RAS with callback.02:08
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StoffBox-Stevehave ubuntu a netinstall / HDinstall like debian .. so i can install it without an CD ? ..02:09
mlambieSidDithersL: I was pointing out that waproamd was replaced with wpa_supplicant, which I thought was for roaming access between APs02:09
el_cristianoandrewski: i guess they're not, that would explain why i've read that in the forums :)02:09
quaruptman kde 3.4 at 1280x1024 is BEAUTIFUL02:11
andrewskiquarupt: is 3.4 out now?02:11
Riddellquarupt: you're welcome :)02:11
andrewskiquarupt: in ubuntu?02:11
tckhow's kubuntu coming along02:11
quaruptthx Riddel02:11
Riddellandrewski: preview02:11
tckanyone try it yet ?02:11
el_cristianoquarupt: kde 3.4 @ 1600x1200 @ 100hz is even better yummy02:11
geneo93yes and on ubuntu02:11
andrewskiRiddell: hoary?02:11
quaruptKubuntu uses 3.402:11
quaruptwith Hoary anyways02:11
StoffBox-Stevequarupt,  i run it with 1280x1024 :02:11
Riddellandrewski: yes, the packages are marked as preview because 3.4 isn't officially released yet02:12
el_cristianoandrewski: hoary uses 3.4 too02:12
StoffBox-Stevequarupt,  i run it with 1280x1024  its really nice :D02:12
andrewskiRiddell: ah, i see what you mean.02:12
r1siblebinbrain: interesting - fn-F12 gives me a right click on iBook G402:12
andrewskii'll have to try it out. :D02:12
geneo93hoary wonder whats next02:12
quarupti just wish i could get my 3d acel working now :(02:12
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quaruptor maybe even GATOS02:13
el_cristianoquarupt: nvidia-graphic-card?02:13
geneo93quarupt:  what card is it02:13
tranceconscioushas anybody succesfully configured a dial up connection to a win2k ras with callback???02:14
el_cristianogatos is a driver for ati-cards, huh?02:14
el_cristianoyah it is02:14
andrewskiel_cristiano: parallel port scanners... don't work with sane?02:14
el_cristianocan't help you with ati-cards02:14
el_cristianoandrewski: why do you think they won't?02:15
andrewskiel_cristiano: sane-find-scanner says it doesn't look for them because they can't be detected.02:15
andrewskiel_cristiano: which puts me at square one, at best.02:15
el_cristianoandrewski: that does not mean they can't be used02:15
el_cristianotry "sudo sane-find-scanner -p"02:15
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el_cristianoand also "sudo scanimage -L"02:16
andrewskiel_cristiano: nope.  i do need to load a driver first, right?02:16
andrewskiel_cristiano: where do i find which one?  on sane's site?02:17
el_cristianodid you "sudo ./configure; sudo make; sudo make install" them before?02:17
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geneo93sane backends02:17
andrewskiel_cristiano: didn't get the backends. :)02:17
andrewskilol, i totally forgot.02:17
el_cristianodo so02:17
tckok, have mplayer installed and w32codecs on hoary02:18
r1sibleel_cristiano: sudo is only needed for "make install"02:18
tckstill have problem playing a divx encoded .avi02:18
el_cristianor1sible: it's late :)02:19
tckany suggestions ?02:19
andrewskiel_cristiano: should i search to see if my driver is supported first?02:19
r1sibleel_cristiano: :)02:19
FR500has anyone upgraded a warty install?02:19
el_cristianolittle chatroom poll: what time is over *there*?02:19
geneo93yes me02:19
andrewskiFR500: many have.  in fact, hoary preview has just been released.02:19
el_cristianoit's 2:19 here in Berlin/Germany02:19
r1sibleFR500: lots of people :)02:19
andrewskiel_cristiano: 20.19 here.02:19
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eruinFR500: my best guess would be "most people"02:20
el_cristianowhat is "here"? :)02:20
FR500andrewski:  i mean, installed over keeping the data02:20
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r1sibleMon Mar 14 12:20:09 EST 200502:20
andrewskiFR500: yes, i think many.02:20
andrewskiFR500: i installed with warty, then upgraded.02:20
cjso... what authentication mechanisms does ubuntu use?02:20
cjdoes it still use /etc/shadow?02:20
FR500just put the cd and install over?02:20
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eruinthe new nvidia 7* drivers work with 2.6.10, 2.6.11 btw02:20
cjor is it using pam + mysql?02:20
andrewskiFR500: just changed the online repositories.02:20
FR500that broke it forme last time, can it be done with th cd?02:21
andrewskiel_cristiano: what if my scanner is not in the sane supported list?02:21
eruincj: anything wrong with /etc/shadow ? :P02:21
r1sibleFR500: probably with apt-cdrom add02:21
cjeruin: you mean beyond not scaling?02:22
geneo93andrewski:  then your SOL02:22
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eruincj: fair enough02:22
FR500r1sible:  gonna try, brb02:22
el_cristianoandrewski: which one is your scanner?02:22
eruinpam/mysql would be overkill for most desktop systems though :P02:22
FR500r1sible:  spent a lot of time getting warty to have all i want it to have soooooo02:22
andrewskiel_cristiano: Visioneer OneTouch 760002:22
r1sibleFR500: I suggest you type apt-cdrom --help  first02:24
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dean1I've got a device (Alphasmart Dana) which acts as a keyboard Human Input Device, which I'd like to disable, so I can use it for the USB hot-syncing similar to what I do with my (successfully setup) Handspring Visor.     Suggestions?02:24
FR500r1sible:  thanks02:24
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dean1Sorry, It's a Palm OS based device. USB02:24
el_cristianoandrewski: 7600 or 7300? the 7600 is not listed at all02:24
andrewskiel_cristiano: exactly. :/02:25
FR500r1sible:  and after that? apt-get dist-upgrade?02:25
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navreetis it just me? or ubuntu REALLY BUGGY?  I've submitted ~7 bug reports in the past 36 hours02:26
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andrewskinavreet: warty or hoary?02:26
r1sibleFR500: no, do  apt-cdrom add  to add the CD as a source first02:26
tranceconscioushow do I configure a dial up connection with callback????02:26
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FR500r1sible:  i did02:26
navreetandrewski, haory02:26
tckhmm i dont like the way they changed the applications menu02:26
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el_cristianoandrewski: doesn't look good for you with sane. too bad02:26
r1sibleFR500: Ok then do dist-upgrade02:26
andrewskinavreet: well, it's still unstable.  and i submitted about that many in gentoo for a while.  it happens.02:26
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tckbefore you could just add a program etc..02:26
Grexoubuntu live cd gave me the regular one02:27
geneo93navreet:  its beta yet02:27
navreetandrewski, gentoo is OK... it's just a pain to manage stuff stuff02:27
Grexoi installed it and didnt realize it was mislabled on the website02:27
Grexofor the preview02:27
navreetgeneo93, someone in here told me that it was more stable than warty02:27
zenwhentck... it will be fixed in gnome 2.1202:27
FR500r1sible:  wish me luck02:27
andrewskinavreet: all i'm saying is that bug reports aren't really much indication.02:27
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r1sibleFR500: you might want to comment out the warty sources02:27
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geneo93well its not finished yet02:27
FR500r1sible:  it says only 51.8mb needed, i don't think thats right02:28
cafuegocj: Ubuntu uses pam, with md5 shadow passwords.02:28
iminjstable hoary scheduled to be released 1st week of April02:28
r1sibleFR500: no, it's not right02:28
navreetandrewski, yeah... but it's like bad stuff.  Flash crashing firefox, getting properties on a (mp3) file crashing nautilus, etc.02:28
cjcafuego: okay.  is that configurable?02:28
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r1sibleFR500: did it scan your disk?02:28
cafuegocj: ubuntu does not ask this.02:29
geneo93navreet:  it is some what better than warty but in some areas02:29
andrewskinavreet: well, like i said, hoary is still unstable.  your bug reports will help make it better. :)02:29
tckxenwhen, shouldnt nautilus applications:///Internet work02:29
cafuegocj: I expect you can edit /etc/adduser.conf02:29
tckit doesnt seem too02:29
r1sibledid you get rid of the warty sources? comment them out or whatever?02:29
tckbryan_, you there ?02:29
FR500may i rename sources.list ?02:29
r1sibleFR500: no, because the hoary disc is now in that file (or should be)02:30
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navreettck, doesn't work for me either... can you file a bug report?02:30
geneo93sure but it will be null02:30
amapermanHey. I am having trouble setting up my wireless USB adaptor with Ubuntu.02:30
tckis it a bug, or dy design !02:30
amapermanI go to Network administration but all I see is a greyed out ppp entry.02:30
FR500416mb now02:30
amapermanMy USB adaptor does show up in the device manager.02:30
amapermanHow do I get access to the wlan0 interface?02:31
FR500moved the file and then ran apt-cdrom again02:31
r1sibleFR500: sounds right02:31
FR500r1sible:  is there a way back besides reinstall?02:31
navreettck, don't know02:32
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andrewskiel_cristiano: there's some info on google coming up; maybe i'm not doomed.02:32
FR500well if it breabs i'll stick to hoary and reconfigure everything02:32
cjcafuego: cool, I'll try that.02:32
r1sibleFR500: hmm.... downgrading debian based distros is a messy business02:32
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r1sibleFR500: I think you'll be fine02:32
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FR500thanks a lot02:33
r1sibleFR500: you'll want to update your online sources to hoary, of course02:33
FR500i'll let you know02:33
tranceconsciousanyone knows how to set up a dial up conection with server callback????02:33
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FR500r1sible:  any page on that?02:33
geneo93FR500:  i've never had any luck downgrading02:33
r1sibleFR500: just use the warty one and change "warty" to "hoary" throughout02:34
reverI am trying to load jre what is the package called in apt02:34
FR500oh no, i mean on online sources for hoary02:34
r1sibleFR500: that's how you do it ^^02:34
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GrexoWe are visited and controlled by UFOs from the M15 Globular Star Cluster  the densest Black Hole driven Core Cluster  the capital of the Universe02:35
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Grexooops wrong channel02:35
tranceconsciousanyone knows how to set up a dial up conection with server callback????02:35
Grexothis aint astrophysics :P02:35
YomicMust've been for #ufo02:36
FR500if i need wpa and my card is not supported i need ndiswrapper right?02:36
geneo93better ppl here actually know things02:36
el_cristianoaaaah, gotta try openoffice.org2 yummy02:37
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reverI am trying to get JAVA load in Firefox what is the package I need to grab in apt?02:37
FR500rever:  ubuntuguide.org02:37
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YomicFR500: I followed that guide and I kept recieving an error02:38
reverFR500, Thanks02:38
raveneyehi, is sound preview (sox) broken in Hoary?02:38
FR500Yomic:  works for me02:39
geneo93FR500:  that didn't make my java work02:39
FR500geneo93:  well did for me (in warty)02:39
geneo93ahh see02:39
FR500should be the same though02:40
geneo93leme paste you something02:40
FR500i think hoary sources.list has the necesary packages commented02:40
FR500*ehrmmm repositories02:40
geneo93Java exec found in  /usr/java/jre1.5.0_01/bin/02:41
geneo93OOPS, you don't seem to have a valid JRE  [/usr/java/jre1.5.0_01/bin/java =Error] 02:41
geneo93You need to upgrade to JRE 1.4.x or newer from http://java.sun.com02:41
geneo93hehe stupid02:41
r1siblegeneo93: did you edit your PATH ?02:41
rknslowass warty torrent02:42
geneo93Starting Azureus...02:42
geneo93Java exec found in PATH. Verifying...02:42
geneo93OOPS, you don't seem to have a valid JRE [java = gij] 02:42
r1siblehmm, I dont have java there either !02:42
el_cristianoawwwww OO.o2 rocks02:43
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FR500r1sible:  i had standby support enabled in warty, probably ill need to disable that or something in hoary?02:43
r1sibleFR500: no idea, sorry02:43
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lagCiscohey guys, i want to give ubuntu a try, but im wondering, how up-to-date is it? what about security? is that something i need to think about if i just turn everything off and check for updates every couple of days?02:44
geneo93so hows the java expert02:44
zenroxgeneo93, read www.ubuntuguide.org for java install02:44
FR500geneo93:  i'm no expert02:44
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geneo93if you use cisco you need not worry about ubuntu02:45
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ggeeckohow do I find out my ip02:45
geneo93zenrox:  i did everything to the letter02:46
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YomicOkay, I am tired of not understanding some of the lower level termonolgy (which sometimes hinders my ability to learn some languages).  Where should I start on my quest for information?02:46
zenroxgeneo93, does it work02:46
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SidDithersLdoes anyone know where I can pick up the kernel-source package for warty? 4.1002:46
geneo93ifconfig should tell you02:46
SidDithersLi need it to install my video cards driver02:46
sysrqSidDithersL: linux-source02:46
niktarisany livecd developers in the house?02:46
Yomic(Also, I don't won't a 'stick around here for a while' reply, because I will ;P02:46
geneo93zenrox:  no02:46
ggeeckocan someone tell me how do I find out my ip02:47
rkn08:46PM|<geneo93> ifconfig should tell you02:47
zenroxgeneo93, hmm i just installed java today with thoes instructions02:47
Yomicstart>run>ipconfig... err...02:47
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geneo93ggeecko:  i told you ifconfig02:48
SidDithersLsysrq, I thank you for pointing that out, but it says its already installed.02:48
SidDithersLif its already installed, why does nvidia complain that there is no kernel-source?02:48
geneo93sun java02:48
zenroxgeneo93,  yep02:48
raveneyedoes anyone know if sound preview (sox) is broken in Hoary?02:48
sysrqSidDithersL: because you didn't extract the tarball02:48
[CX] -sw0rdsavyhow do i read .chm files in linux02:48
sysrqamd because unless you compiled your own kernel from the source it doesnt match what you are running02:48
SidDithersLwhere is it located? do you know by chance?02:48
geneo93did you see my paste02:48
Chipzz[CX] -sw0rdsavy: there's xchm02:49
zenroxgeneo93, nope02:49
zenroxpaste in a msg to me02:49
SidDithersLso ill extract the tarball and hope it works?02:49
[CX] -sw0rdsavyany installed in linux by defualt02:49
sysrqSidDithersL: you need linux-headers that matches the linux-image you are running02:49
[CX] -sw0rdsavyerr ubuntu02:49
SidDithersLwhere can I get those?02:49
r1sibleSidDithersL: it has to match your kernel perfectly, as well02:49
SidDithersLim sorry im such a pain I just want to get this thing working02:50
geneo93zenrox:  i'll do it again then02:50
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geneo93zenrox:   Starting Azureus...02:50
sean13Is limewire in universe02:50
geneo93Java exec found in PATH. Verifying...02:50
geneo93OOPS, you don't seem to have a valid JRE [java = gij] 02:50
geneo93You need to upgrade to JRE 1.4.x or newer from http://java.sun.com02:50
geneo93Java exec found in  /usr/java/jre1.5.0_01/bin/02:50
geneo93OOPS, you don't seem to have a valid JRE  [/usr/java/jre1.5.0_01/bin/java = Error] 02:50
geneo93You need to upgrade to JRE 1.4.x or newer from http://java.sun.com02:50
cowbudsean13: uhh no02:51
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sean13ok thanks02:51
cowbudsean13: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#limewire02:51
zenroxgeneo93,  didja add it to the /etc/bash.rc02:51
SidDithersLlinux-headers-  im pretty sure thats what i need02:51
SidDithersLill install that02:51
r1sibleSidDithersL: what does uname -r say?02:51
sean13thanks cowbud02:51
cowbudSidDithersL: just install module-assistant then do module-assistant prepare and it will download all the goodness you need..02:51
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geneo93zenrox:  ??????????02:52
r1sibleSidDithersL: OK :)02:52
rknWhat do the extra '?'s mean?02:52
SidDithersLawesome :D02:52
zenroxgeneo93,  or add the ln -s to the prober spots02:52
geneo93zenrox:  i installed it back when this was warty02:52
el_cristianow0000000000000t my scanner is working now02:53
r1sibleSidDithersL: be aware, if you dist-upgrade that kernel will change and your drivers will break02:53
el_cristianoi just took me 5 hours to set it up :D02:53
zenroxohh hmm azureus was installed from the universe02:53
SidDithersLok ill try to keep from ruining it. but now that I have it downloaded do I just do a "make" in the headers directory or is there more to it?02:53
geneo93i dont remember that well so all i can tell you is i followed the guide02:53
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navreetanyone have flash working??02:54
zenroxgeneo93, hmm does limewire work02:54
zenroxor java -version02:54
geneo93i dunno dont have limwire02:54
zenroxits on that site on how to install it02:55
navreetit crashes firefox :(, and the bugzilla people say it's in "universe" so it's unsupported... does this mean that there's no flash available if you're using Ubuntu amd64 version?02:55
navreetflash is critical for many websites... including anandtech.com02:55
FR500r1sible:  says xserver cant be started02:55
geneo93i have no use for limewire02:55
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zenroxlimewire is backly like azurues02:55
r1sibleFR500: :(02:55
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quarupthow can i replace an entire dir with one i backed up earlier?02:56
FR500r1sible:  any clues?02:56
cowbudquarupt: uhh what did you back it up with what dir is it and blah02:56
navreetquarupt, rm -fr newDir/ && mv oldDir newDir02:56
zenwhennavreet, how are the devs supposed to fix flash?02:56
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r1sibleFR500: not really - it must be an xorg issue02:56
zenwhenits not open02:56
quaruptbut the backup is in the dir i am backing up?02:56
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navreetzenrox, they could remove it from the distro for one... it does damage, and no good02:57
cowbudquarupt: uhh what are you trying to do02:57
quaruptnavreet: ?02:57
r1sibleFR500: all I can suggest is to reinstall xserver-xfree86 and see if it works02:57
Quest-MasterWhy doesn't the archive manager in Ubuntu recognize RARs even though I've installed rar? x_x02:57
FR500r1sible:  well, better clean install and migrate configurations02:57
FR500less trouble i guess02:57
navreetquarupt, it crashes firefox without any warning.. I had a few tabs open and all of a sudden I visit a page with flash on it, and bam... no more firefox02:57
Quest-MasterIt worked on Warty02:57
zenroxnavreet, i think you ment zenwhen02:57
quaruptI backed up my /usr/X11R6/ using konquer and made /usr/X11R6/X11R6BU/02:58
r1sibleFR500: possibly - back up /etc and /home02:58
quaruptI want to revert to the old dir02:58
quaruptbut now i cant use konquer cause x wont start till i revert back to the old /usr/X11R6/02:58
FR500r1sible:  what about samba shares and printers, thats what worries me the most02:58
navreetquarupt, mv /usr/X11R6/X11R6BU /tmp then rm -fr the new directory, then move the /tmp/X11R6BU to the new directory02:58
quaruptso im asking how to do it in a terminal02:59
quaruptthx navreet02:59
FR500the rest is just internet time02:59
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r1sibleFR500: back up any config files you know are important02:59
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navreetzenwhen, The GPL Flash library is a set of functions that can be used by02:59
navreetapplications to play Flash movies. The core of the library is a02:59
navreetportable graphic renderer that can be used to add SWF support to an02:59
FR500well, for samba and mounting shares smb.conf and fstab02:59
navreetsorry for the flood02:59
FR500the rest.....02:59
navreetzenwhen, the flash I installed is open source, seems to be GPL'ed03:00
r1sibleFR500: at worst I guess you would have to re-edit some files - and you seem to know how, so...03:00
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FR500i know that, how do i mount my other ext3 partition, only that plz03:01
r1sibleFR500: ?03:01
r1sibleyou mean an fstab entry?03:01
FR500no, i have warty in another partition03:02
r1sibleoh I see03:02
FR500i want to mount it03:02
ace2001aci'm having problems with getting cdrecording working on hoary-amd64, does anyone have any experience with that03:02
r1siblesudo mount  -t ext3 /dev/hd*  /mnt/warty   I guess03:02
r1sibleor whatever you normally mount on03:03
r1siblejust /mnt would work03:03
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r1sibleFR500: if it's in fstab , just mount /mount/point should work03:04
FR500i got it, thx for your help03:04
r1sibleOK - you're welcome03:04
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r1sibleFR500: sorry it broke...03:05
FR500r1sible:  no prob03:05
QuaruptOkay, bak in X now i feel better03:05
FR500it's linux, when it breaks up you know why at least03:05
r1sibleFR500: that's true03:05
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Quaruptyea instead of windows when something breaks your lucky to get any verbose, or logs and if ya do its all hexideciaml errors03:06
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FR500and you lose your game saves :p03:07
QuaruptMan i miss gaming03:07
mindshadow-new to ubuntu, my sound isn't working, anyone that can help?03:07
occyupgrade to hoary - bad idea atm?03:07
Quaruptoh well its a sacrafice i make to run pure linux03:07
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FR500Quarupt: CEDEGA!!!03:08
Quaruptoccy,  actually its the best time, the preview is pretty much the same as the final anyways03:08
QuaruptFR500, I could never get CEDEGA working03:08
FR500Quarupt:  really?03:08
FR500some games work some not, but counter-strik works so fine for me03:08
mindshadow-i have a soundblaster audigy 2, it works everywhere else, just not in ubuntu, i've checked to make sure it's not muted, and i can play things in rhythmbox, etc. but there's no sound...i'm mystified03:08
occyQuarupt: should I apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade and get warty up-to-date?  Or not worry about it?03:09
r1sibleFR500: judging by the users mailing list, much bug squashing is in progress....03:09
occyQuarupt: final question:  just  s/warty/hoary/g  in /etc/apt/sources.list ?03:09
el_cristianoFR500: CS works? wine?03:10
el_cristianoFR500: fps?03:10
FR500el_cristiano:  cedega03:10
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FR500same as windows, even faster03:10
occynomasteryoda: heyaz bud.03:10
FR500not wine03:10
Quaruptoccy id recomend downloading the ISO and installing from scratch03:10
occynomasteryoda: you upgraded to hoary yet?03:10
occyQuarupt: ahh...03:10
el_cristianoFR500: whats cedega?!03:10
r1sibleoccy: both sound good ideas ( re hoary dit-upgrade)03:10
nomasteryodausing suse03:10
occynomasteryoda: heh, blah03:11
occyhere goes nothing.03:11
nomasteryodahey, we are trying to get a linuxshow going03:11
FR500el_cristiano:  commercial implementation of wine that supports directx03:11
occynomasteryoda: heh, tell Jeff I said howdy.  (TLS Jeff)03:11
nomasteryodaoccy, no man03:12
nomasteryodaand gerrynjr03:12
occynomasteryoda: ahh03:12
nomasteryodaand a few other regular listeners03:12
nomasteryodawe are not sure on a title yet03:12
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nomasteryodafreenode #linuxshow03:12
FR500el_cristiano:  works pretty much the same but faster03:12
occyHow about a: OctobrX - where is he now?03:12
occynomasteryoda: *chuckle*03:12
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nomasteryodai know03:13
nomasteryodawe skyped for a while last night03:13
el_cristianoFR500: where can i get it?03:13
zenroxskype rocks03:13
occyskype easy to setup?03:13
occyor require a lot of stuff?03:13
zenroxi love skype03:14
occyheh, there is easy, and then there is "Occy-Easy"[tm] 03:14
nomasteryodaapt-get install skype03:14
zenroxoccy, skype = easy button03:14
occyUbuntu gets the Occy-Easy seal of approval.03:14
occyzenrox: hehe03:14
nomasteryodaworks very well too03:14
occyI'll try it when my hoary upgrade is over.03:15
zenroxmy skype nick = my nick03:15
FR500el_cristiano:  you have to buy it03:15
occyskype = free phone calls to anywhere?03:15
zenroxoccy, pc 2 pc03:15
zenrox= free03:15
zenroxpc 2 telephone = 1 cent a min03:16
el_cristianoFR500: how much does it cost?03:16
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FR500not sure, i got it from my brother03:16
occyzenrox: hmmm03:16
nomasteryodapc - pc free03:16
FR500it's somehow a subscription03:16
zenroxoccy,  and it uses voip03:16
nomasteryodaneed a good mic03:16
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occy0% [1 libc6-dev 1038216/2507kB 41%]                            21.6kB/s 8h19m47s03:16
occyThat'll take a while.03:17
zenroxany one can skype me if thay want03:17
zenroxi talk better than i type03:17
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Quaruptyou pay for voIP?03:18
occywelp... my machine is basically useless.03:18
occylater taters.03:18
occywish me luck.03:18
zenroxQuarupt,  no03:18
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zenroxQuarupt, only if i wanted to call pc 2 thelphone03:18
scoonanyone here use epiphany03:18
r1siblescoon: I try not to....03:18
Quaruptjust use ip-relay.com03:18
el_cristianoFR500: look http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=4503:19
Quaruptsupposed to be for disabled people but hell03:19
scoonthanks r1sible , that was helpful >:|03:19
r1siblescoon: it was a joke , sorry :)03:20
makyohello, I wold like some help with installing the ATI drivers on warty. I've tryed following the steps I found in the HowTo guide at the Wiki but genome can't start... I get the prompt... by the way, I'm just coming from windows so I'm not that expert....03:20
makyoI have a Radeon 700003:21
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r1siblescoon: I find epiphany a bit limiting: I preferred galeon when it was the default gnome browser, so I guess I'm prejudiced03:22
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scoonr1sible, that's cool.  I used to use galeon as well.03:23
lunitikscoon: epiphany offers nothing, and lacks a lot... I fail to see why anyone would even consider it over Firefox  :/03:23
r1siblelunitik: I must say I agree03:23
scoonr1sible, i am starting to use it to create PERL bindings for it.03:23
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crimsunEpiphany can be nice. It's really one's preference.03:23
r1siblegaleon is still a nice browser, though03:23
crimsunBesides, in Ubuntu, epiphany-browser is compiled against mozilla-firefox-dev.03:24
scoonr1sible, except for the HUGE mozilla dependency03:24
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lunitikscoon: epiphany doesn't have the same dependency anymore?03:24
scoonso i have a logitech mx900 mouse and i want the buttons on the mouse to work forward and back in history03:24
r1siblescoon: yes, I use firefox now and I'm quite happy with it03:24
scoonlunitik, no.03:24
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scoonall right i get the point03:25
scoonthat firefox is supposed to be the best browser.03:25
lunitikscoon: hmm, sure doesn't... but it depends firefox... still equilly moronic03:25
scooni have used it for years.03:25
r1siblescoon: well, as crimsun says, epiphany can be nice.... preferences03:26
scooni really do appreciate everyone's nickel of advice.03:26
|QuaD-does OOo or OOo2 have a visio/dia replacement?03:27
lunitikscoon: lier... soo not what you wanted in reply  :P03:27
r1siblescoon: OK, irony aside, what's your question/03:27
scoonr1sible, don't worry about it.  it is more for an epiphany user, not hater.03:27
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r1siblescoon: I don't hate epiphany - at all - I just have other preferences. No need to prickle03:28
crimsunlunitik: it depends on mozilla-firefox because mozilla-firefox is now built as a one static binary. There are no simple libs against which the epiphany-browser lib can link.03:28
scoonprickle ?03:28
crimsunepiphany-browser bin, rather03:29
scoonwhat is that.03:29
lunitikcrimsun: I understand the reasoning... I just find it funny is all03:29
crimsunscoon: I suppose "nag," etc.03:29
r1siblescoon: you seemed to be getting "prickly" about it ( defensive, upset)03:29
scoonr1sible, i was getting more frustrated.03:30
scoonr1sible, lately the noise ratio has been up and makes these things such a greater chore.03:30
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lunitikcrimsun: I thought they were gonna seperate out gecko though at some stage? I heard it was being done a while ago, but never saw the result?03:31
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msh__how do i change the resolution of my conole?03:33
SiRrUsgood evening03:33
lunitikmsh__: have to do it at boot time, or add to kernel line in /boot/grub/menu.lst03:34
lunitikmsh__: vga=791 for 1024x768 ... vga=794 for 1280x1024 (only ones I know by heart)03:35
SysFailmsh: right click your desktop if youre in kde03:36
lunitikSysFail: he said console... not desktop03:36
SysFailwell technically he said conole03:36
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SysFailheya apj03:37
apjhello, all03:39
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savetheclocktowehey, i've encountered broken packages in my upgrade to hoary... i'd love whatever help you guys could give me03:40
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crimsunsavetheclocktowe: praytell03:40
s0cksI would install ubuntu, but it already fux0r3d my 40 gig hard disk,03:41
savetheclocktowegnome appears to be half-working... when i do an apt-get install gnome i get "requires gnome-desktop-environment but it is not going to be installed"03:41
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savetheclocktowei double-checked my sources.list and it's as it should be03:42
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crimsunsavetheclocktowe: not sure why you're trying to install 'gnome'03:42
savetheclocktowewrong package?03:42
crimsunsavetheclocktowe: the correct package is 'ubuntu-desktop', which should already be installed.03:43
savetheclocktoweahh, that explains it03:43
YomicHow do I change my desktop environment? (Most to just try out some supposedly faster ones.)03:43
savetheclocktowegnome is still half-working, though... i get the gnome splash screen and it stops halfway though loading nautilus03:43
r1sibleYomic: xfce no good?03:44
sysrqsavetheclocktowe: you add any additional startup programs to the session?03:44
savetheclocktoweif i click the splash screen goes away and everything appears normal, but a bunch of stuff is missing and a lot of other stuff doesn't work at all03:44
savetheclocktowelike CD burning03:44
savetheclocktowenope, i did not03:44
sysrqsavetheclocktowe: did you install ubuntu-desktop?03:44
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Yomicrlsible: I can't figure out how to run it.03:44
bryan_anyone else notice every time you open a file with gedit, it makes a backup like 'file.ext~'03:45
r1sibleYomic: well, I can give you a hint if you wish03:45
HytakHi, what is the default root password? (After installl, to set up things, that would be nice... it was probably written somewhere but I did not read everything :( )03:45
sysrqbryan_: that can be disabled03:45
YomicPlease do :(03:45
sysrqHytak: there is none03:45
savetheclocktoweargh, that did it.  i'd removed a bunch of packages while trying to diagnose video card problems and thought i'd reinstalled them all again03:45
HytakIt get me an erro when I put nothing03:45
savetheclocktowesysrq: thanks for the help03:45
sysrqHytak: it's not blank, it's unset03:45
HytakIt ask me one...03:45
crimsunYomic: dpkg -l xfce4|grep ^ii|awk '{ print $3 }'03:46
sysrqHytak: I know, you have to set one though03:46
HytakI cannot log in root !03:46
sysrqHytak: sudo passwd03:46
sysrqset the root pass that way03:46
Yomiccrimsun: What is that supposed to do (And wtf does it mean *_*)?03:46
Blacksa1Hytak, the root account is disabled by default, just use your account password03:46
HytakWon't it ask me "password:" after sudo?03:46
bryan_sysrq:  it'd be nice if you could choose a dir to save them all in :)03:46
r1sibleYomic: create a file called .xsession containing  just    exec xfce  , save it in your home dir , and choose system session from login03:46
savetheclocktoweout of curiosity, why is there a 'gnome' entry in the ubuntu repository if 'ubuntu-desktop' exists?03:46
sysrqHytak: yes, thats the user password03:46
crimsunYomic: it tells me which version of that package you have installed03:46
HytakOk... I wil try, thanks03:47
sysrqbryan_: I know it would, I just disabled it all together03:47
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crimsunr1sible: that's not even necessary with the universe packages.03:47
bryan_just found the option, disabling.03:47
HytakAnd just a note: I try Ubuntu on a p2, 233mhz 128mb of ram and god... what did they guy did to Gnome? It run almost well on my old pc!03:47
crimsunYomic: all you need to do is choose XFce from the Session menu when you log in via GDM.03:47
YomicIt said there aren't any packages.03:47
r1siblecrimsun: it appears in the list by default ? for gdm?03:47
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crimsunr1sible: see above.03:47
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crimsunYomic: sudo aptitude install xfce403:48
r1siblecrimsun: yup I see03:48
sysrqYomic: if you want to just use xfce as your WM and still run gnome just edit the gnome session replacing metacity with xfce403:48
sysrqthat's how I am running openbox with gnome03:48
crimsun(you probably meant replace metacity with xfwm4)03:48
sysrqindeed, didn't know the actual executables name03:49
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jimarkohey all :)03:51
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mob_hi all, does anyone knows how to set a mounted partition in "Places -> System" ?03:52
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savetheclocktowehey, i'm trying to write an iso with nautilus-cd-burner and it tells me that the CD which i know to be blank isn't actually blank03:52
savetheclocktowethis is new since i upgraded to hoary03:52
savetheclocktoweany ideas?03:52
mob_like /win/C set it in a new place ?03:52
YomicWhy can't I make a new folder in my home directory?03:53
savetheclocktowemob_: you can edit your /etc/fstab by hand -- it should be straightforward -- but i don't know how to do it in gnome03:53
mob_savetheclocktowe: maybe the CD is really blank :P, or is a CDRW and it doesn't formated properly03:53
sysrqYomic: I don't know, an error msg would be usefull if you want help03:54
crimsunYomic: ...you can't?03:54
r1siblemob_: is /win/C the mount point you've set in /etc/fstab ?03:54
savetheclocktowemob_: i've tried several CDs on this same spool, and CDs from this spool burned in warty just fine03:54
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YomicIt doesn't have an option to (not using the terminal)03:54
mob_savetheclocktowe: i got the partitions mounted, i just want to add it an icon into "Places -> System", something like a new icon says "Windows" or something like that03:55
r1sibleYomic: right click03:55
sysrqand you are in /home/youruser not just /home ?03:55
FR500is there an unnoficial starters hoary guide out there?03:55
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lunitikFR500: not yet03:55
YomicI am in home; I have tried rightclick>add new folder, but the option is greyed-out03:55
savetheclocktoweoh, i see03:55
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savetheclocktowemob_: don't think i can help you there03:55
mob_savetheclocktowe: thanks anyway03:56
lunitikFR500: most things are still applicable from warty  :/03:56
savetheclocktoweFR500: http://ubuntuguide.org03:56
sysrqYomic: of course, /home is owned by root, /home/youruser is what you want03:56
savetheclocktoweoh, hoary.  gotcha03:56
YomicGotcha *_*, thanks.03:56
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savetheclocktowegoogle is my friend... I had to change some things in gconf.  now burning works fine, it would seem03:57
crimsunsavetheclocktowe: excellent. :-)03:57
mob_mmm can someone help me? :(03:58
Hytaksavetheclocktowe> No it's mine!03:58
neighborleespeaking of ubuntu-desktop..why is it linked to firefox in hoary ? ( to remove buggy firefox removes it and that is scary based on what synaptic says it is )03:58
r1siblecrimsun: is bug squashing proceding well? Still seeing a lot of people with hoary issues....03:58
crimsunr1sible: we could use more help :-)03:59
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squallbsrI wonder if the hoary issues are mostly with stuff like missing mp3 support, divx, etc...03:59
r1siblecrimsun: :) I'm on the mailing list03:59
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sysrqmob_: isn't it listed under Places -> Computer ?04:00
r1siblesquallbsr: no, those issues exist on warty too04:00
ace2001aci'm having problems with getting cdrecording working on hoary-amd64, does anyone have any experience with that04:00
crimsunr1sible: I haven't even had much time to wade through all the sound-related issues. Right now fighting with various universe packages to make them build properly from XOrg.04:01
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mob_sysrq: no it isn't, this si mi dump from the "mount" command04:02
crimsunace2001ac: what sort of issues? I don't have amd64, but others here do.04:02
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sysrqmob_: add it to /etc/fstab and it should04:02
r1siblemob_: that's why I asked about fstab earlier...04:03
mob_i've got the partitions mounted, and added to fstab04:04
mob_"/dev/hda1 on /win/C type ntfs (rw,umask=0222)04:04
mob_/dev/hda5 on /win/D type vfat (rw,umask=0000)"04:04
r1siblemob_: and it still doesn't show? Odd ...04:04
sysrqperhaps you need to restart your gnome session or something04:04
mob_that is my mount04:04
ace2001accrimsun: i'm not sure what is happening, cdrecord gives me an error, I can paste in flood if you wanna look at it?04:04
r1siblemob_: ntfs as  rw ? That ain't gonna happen...04:05
sysrqr1sible: it works, it just isn't very safe04:05
mob_dun worry, i know04:05
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crimsunace2001ac: sure, go for it.04:05
r1siblemob_: OK :)04:05
mob_when i mounted by hand it appears the icon in places04:05
mob_but not anymore when it mounts automatically by /etc/fstab04:06
r1siblemob_:  is the word "on" in your fstab?04:06
r1sibleit shouldn't be...04:06
mob_i copy the fstab part04:06
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r1sible/dev/hda5 on /win/D type vfat (rw,umask=0000)04:06
mob_"/dev/hda1       /win/C          ntfs    ro,umask=0222   0       004:06
mob_/dev/hda5       /win/D          vfat    rw,umask=0000   0       0"04:06
r1siblelooks wrong with "on"04:06
mob_i told you that that was the "mount" dump04:07
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crimsunace2001ac: what command line parameters are you passing to cdrecord?04:07
r1sibleI asssume you added the quotes, and they aren't there in fstab04:07
jimarkoanyone had issues with iPods and mounting?04:07
mob_r1sible: dun worry, thanks for try to help me04:08
ace2001accrimsun: i'm using nautilus cd burning plugin04:08
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r1siblemob_: just looking for stuff that might cause problems :)04:08
mob_r1sible: the "" are for the irc client think that was commands04:08
ace2001accrimsun: i tried using cdrecord directly, but it didn't work either04:08
crimsunace2001ac: ah, I'm not familiar with the nautilus portion.04:08
r1siblemob_: OK04:08
mob_sorry for my bad english, i speak spanish04:09
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Trabhey, anyone around, i need some help...:-/04:09
kapputuTrab I can give a try04:09
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fwhoever warned me about going hoary04:10
fgood call04:10
FR500Trab:  just ask04:10
fcompletely foobar'd everything04:10
kapputuhmm no one warned me04:10
FR500f: why?04:10
kapputuxorg wasn't good for me04:10
Agrajagdid nothing to me...04:10
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finstalling python-dev guts gnome04:10
funinstalls everything04:10
kapputur1sible: don't get u04:10
FR500kapputu:  evey1 is having that prob04:11
Trabok, well im trying to install capture, and its giving me an error on /usr/share/lufs/prepmod04:11
kapputuok atleast I realized what the problem was04:11
AgrajagFR500: everyone?04:11
AgrajagI love xorg04:11
Agrajagcomposite works and everything04:11
kapputuAlt + Tab to firefox takes 5 seconds04:11
fon ppc change to hoary, apt-get update, apt-get install python-dev, and watch it suggest it uninstalls everything and anything GNOME04:11
Agrajagno more smearing windows04:11
Agrajagonly on ppc? weird04:11
fi can do it real quick if anybody wants a copy of what it tries to do04:12
fi need python-dev for Zope04:12
FR500Agrajag:  well no04:12
fthats how I found this problem04:12
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FR500i love xorg too, but the dist-upgrade causes problems04:12
AgrajagFR500: not for me 8)04:13
Agrajagdid it three days ago04:13
binbrainshould I log a defect or anything for this problem?04:13
FR500did it 2 times04:13
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r1siblef seems weird, since python is a favourite with ubuntu developers...04:13
Agrajagbinbrain: definitely04:13
binbrainIts reproducable04:13
TrabFR500 there's a reason i dont just post a problem :-P it goes ignored04:13
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tooki_soldat}how many space in the disk I need to install Ubuntu in my pc???04:14
mob_1.8 Gb04:14
ace2001accrimsun: cdrecord -v speed=2 dev=0,6,0 -data -pad programs/hoary-preview-install-i386.iso04:14
FR500Trab:  lol04:14
FR500dunno about it04:14
ace2001accrimsun: should that work?04:14
kapputumy roommates are taken in by KUbuntu04:14
kapputuI gave them a live cd to play with04:14
DarthFrogkubuntu rawks!04:15
kapputuyeah for eyecandy04:15
kapputume prefers GNOME04:15
DarthFrogTho' I dislike the name kubuntu.04:15
tooki_soldat}how many memory SDRAM I need to install Ubuntu in my pc??04:15
r1sible128MB minimum04:16
kapputu128 should be fine04:16
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r1sible256 is better04:16
DarthFrogNuttin' wrong with eyecandy.  Ya gotta look at something and it might as well be pretty.04:16
FR500do u know where are the printer config files stored? i wanna try to migrate em to my new  hoary setup04:16
tooki_soldat}i have 6404:16
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r1sibletooki_soldat}: possible, but tricky04:16
kapputuDarthFrog: no one said eyecandy is bad04:16
kapputubut too much of it is not good04:16
r1sible64 is low04:16
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DarthFrogTrab: Wassa matter, bud?04:17
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crimsunace2001ac: not sure why you're specifying dev=0,6,004:17
[CX] -sw0rdsavycan someone tell me how to mount hdb with a fat on /mnt/test04:17
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tooki_soldat}[22:17]  <r1sible> 64 is low---> mmm... lowest?04:17
mob_mount /dev/hdb1 /mn/test -t vfat04:17
kapputuI have a problem installing Ubuntu on one of my desktops04:17
kapputuit's with the partitions04:17
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FR500i think it's mount -t vfat /dev/whateva /mnt/test04:17
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ace2001accrimsun: i'm copying http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/04:18
SeanQI have to ask a favor.04:18
[CX] -sw0rdsavyhtx04:18
kapputuI screwed up the partitions and when I do manual partitioning only my hda is listed04:18
SeanQCan someone in here visit http://mlb.com04:18
SeanQIt runs on Flash and I see no text.04:18
SeanQIt's just weird. 0_004:18
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ace2001accrimsun: what should dev be, the man page isn't very good at defining that04:18
kapputuI want to dual boot windows and I don't want to destroy the partitions04:18
tooki_soldat}64 of SDRAM is too low???04:18
crimsunace2001ac: grep ATAPI /var/log/dmesg04:19
FR500kapputu:  is xp still working?04:19
mob_SeanQ: you need to install flash-plugin to see flash04:19
SeanQDone that.04:19
desrttooki_soldat}; on your videocard?04:19
r1sibletooki_soldat}: there's a low memory howto on the wiki, i believe04:19
FR500kapputu:  partition magic04:19
kapputuI'm not able to get PartitionMagic to work04:19
SeanQI can see the pictures, just not the textr.04:19
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r1sibledesrt, no his RAM04:19
desrttooki_soldat}; you really should have more videoram than that to play the latest games04:20
kapputuit had ubuntu and the ext3 partition was a logical partition04:20
r1sibledesrt, see above04:20
siimohi does anyone here run hoary?. do i need Mozilla package just to get the gnome panel clock working in gnome 2.10?!04:20
mob_SeanQ: i see it, you can see other flash-sites?04:20
ace2001accrimsun: hdc: ATAPI 52X CD-ROM CD-R/RW drive, 2048kB Cache, so dev=/dev/hdc04:20
tooki_soldat}[22:20]  <desrt> tooki_soldat}; you really should have more videoram than that to play the latest games--> i only play soldat04:20
SeanQI'll just compile flash-plugin from sources.04:20
kapputuXP kept telling me that one of my partitions was not formatted04:20
crimsunace2001ac: dev=/dev/hdc04:21
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kapputuwell, it was annoying and I formatted it04:21
kapputuand the whole thing has gone awry04:21
ace2001accrimsun: should I specify a write mode04:22
kapputuok if it doesn't make sense I can understand04:22
crimsunace2001ac: I use -dao, but I use cd-rs and write once.04:22
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ace2001accrimsun: well, thats what i'm doing, so i guess that sounds good04:23
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ace2001accrimsun: sudo cdrecord -dao -v speed=2 dev=/dev/hdc -data -pad driveropts=burnfree programs/hoary-preview-install-i386.iso04:28
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aalamhi, Can anyone help, how my language can enable in Live CD?04:28
ace2001accrimsun: apparently that worked04:28
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crimsunace2001ac: great :-)04:28
kapputucan I boot with a LIVE CD and install QtParted and partition my hda?04:28
jdubkapputu: yes04:29
ace2001accrimsun: do you know why the driveropts needed to be specified?04:29
DarthFrogkapputu: Try gparted.04:29
kapputuwould a USB thumbdrive be automatically detected?04:30
jdubaalam-Punjabi: install language-support-pa04:30
jdubkapputu: yes04:30
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kapputuwhat drive is it mapped to?04:31
crimsunace2001ac: they do? They shouldn't be required...04:31
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crimsunace2001ac: (hence the entire driverOPTs)04:31
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[CX] -sw0rdsavyis there a place where i can find out the services turned on by ubuntu and what they do04:31
WW[OT]  Anyone know of a chat room or forum where html/cgi gurus hang out?04:31
kapputuare there software for hotsyncing with my PDA?04:32
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[CX] -sw0rdsavyis there a place where i can find out the services turned on by ubuntu and what they do04:33
PacoBCNI better stop playing Enemy Territory... too adictive...04:33
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DarthFrog[CX] -sw0rdsavy: Have a look in /etc/rc2.d/   Those are what Ubuntu turns on.04:33
jimarkoKapputu: What kind of PDA? Palm or PocketPC?04:33
DarthFrog[CX] -sw0rdsavy: Then you can either ask here what the daemons are or google for them.04:33
[CX] -sw0rdsavyoh ok04:33
jimarkokapputu: hrm, not sure then..04:34
ace2001accrimsun: i meant the 'driveropts=burnfree' portion of the command :)04:34
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[CX] -sw0rdsavyk waht does dbus-1 do04:34
crimsunace2001ac: right, that's what I'm referring to. It shouldn't be necessary.04:34
ace2001accrimsun: oh, well apparently that made the difference04:34
ace2001accrimsun: wish I knew why04:35
jimarkothe only sync prog i know of for linux is SynCE, but its for WindowsCE and PocketPC04:35
regeyainteresting: no pmount love in kubuntu installer, also no fstab rewriting04:35
crimsunace2001ac: perhaps your dvd burner needs a spanking04:35
ace2001accrimsun: just maybe04:35
kapputuwhat's the mode for VESA VGA?04:35
ace2001accrimsun: thanks again for your help04:36
crimsunace2001ac: np04:36
PacoBCNDVD recording problems?04:36
[CX] -sw0rdsavyok if i dont plan to use my server as an smtp server is it safe to turn off fetchmail04:36
binbrainmono's not in the ppc reprository for warty or hoary04:36
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skorahowdy. I'm having a problem listening to my music cd's on ubuntu.04:37
[CX] -sw0rdsavyok if i dont plan to use my server as an smtp server is it safe to turn off fetchmail04:38
cafuegobinbrain: they say it's cross-platform, but it's filthy ia32 crap.04:38
skoraI know its not the speakers, i can hear sound when I play sounds that are locally on the hard drive.04:38
binbraincafuego: what are you talking about it04:38
skoraor the volume either.04:38
crimsunskora: what application are you using to play CDs?04:39
crimsunskora: also, warty or hoary?04:39
skoracrimsun, 4.10, tried xmms and cd player.04:40
skorawhen i try to open up the cd in nautilus, i receive this error message:04:40
skoramount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdd,04:40
skora       or too many mounted file systems04:40
crimsunskora: more than likely it's a volume slider that needs to be unmuted04:40
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crimsunskora: you don't "mount" audio CDs04:40
skorai have no probs with data cd's on the cd dirve.04:40
caliberWhat is the strongest encryption?  If I were to encrypt a large quantity of my files04:41
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crimsunskora: In the Volume Control, are you using the ALSA mixer or the OSS mixer?04:41
skoracrimsun, sorry, but how would i find that out.04:41
crimsunskora: open up Volume Control04:42
skoraim there.04:42
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skoraand both the OSS mixer and the alsa mixer is there.04:42
crimsunskora: ok, choose the ALSA mixer04:42
skoranone of them are muted, but a few are locked.04:43
kapputuhow do I install gparted onto my USB drive when I boot with a livecd04:43
jdubkapputu: you don't, just install it normally04:44
kapputusudo apt-get?04:44
kapputucouldn't stat source package04:44
kapputudo I need to update sources.list04:45
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dampjamWhere does ubuntu unpack sources when I do apt-get source packagename04:45
kapputuif I try to update I get this error : E:Method http has died unexpectedly04:45
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OrangeSliceit unpacks sources into the cwd04:46
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OrangeSliceer, current working directory.04:46
OrangeSliceacronyms are the devil04:46
PacoBCNso polyp audio was removed and esd took its place again, right guys?04:48
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crimsunPacoBCN: yep04:50
PacoBCNcrimsun, the problem is that after all these changes I can't make esd work anymore04:51
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crimsunPacoBCN: is the 'esound' package installed?04:51
PacoBCNI think so04:52
PacoBCNlet me check again04:52
membreyahmm going through my home directory, doesnt look like my emails and everything were backup up :(04:52
kappututhe live cd is junk04:52
crimsundpkg -l esound|grep ^ii|awk '{ print $3 }'04:52
kapputusudo apt-get update doesn't work04:52
errris there an online list of the packages I could browse? I am trying to help a budy find something and I am not booted into my ubuntu system right now.04:52
PacoBCNforget it... :(04:52
PacoBCNit wasn't04:52
PacoBCNthere is no way to make skype work with esd, right?04:52
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crimsunPacoBCN: esddsp ?04:53
PacoBCNI'm affraid I ignore what esddsp is04:54
kapputuhow do I install from a .deb file?04:55
Agrajagdpkg -i04:55
PacoBCNkapputu, dpkg -i name.deb04:55
errrdo you know if there is a list of the packages in Ubuntu online at some site I could look at? like packages.gentoo.org only for ubuntu?04:55
membreyaerrr, just load one of the repo's in a web browser04:56
errrmembreya: I dont have access to a file off hand do you have a url handy?04:56
kapputuwell I have the Live CD that was shipped out04:56
kapputuI can't do a apt-get update, it errors out04:56
membreyaerrr, go to www.ubuntuguide.org04:56
errryeah thanks...04:57
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[CX] -sw0rdsavyso could anyone help me configure postfix to NOT accept connections from the outside04:58
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crimsunerrr: http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/04:59
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errrcrimsun: hey thanks. :)04:59
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lamont[CX] -sw0rdsavy: sudo postconf -e inet_interfaces=loopback-only;05:01
honemy sound stopped owrking, but alsa is loaded?05:01
crimsunhone: pgrep esound05:01
honecrimsun: nothing05:02
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honecrimsun: but I killed esd05:02
honecrimsun: beeps wor k:-D05:02
PacoBCNok, esd works now again05:02
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andrewskiso, is there an official howto for transparency on x.org or is the gentoo wiki (what came up in google) sufficient?05:03
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[CX] -sw0rdsavythx lamont05:03
lamont[CX] -sw0rdsavy: that'll actually make it just listen on the loopback interfaces05:03
honecrimsun: :(05:03
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crimsunhone: what sounds don't work?05:05
PacoBCNcrimsun, esd works now05:06
PacoBCNcrimsun, hope it will automatically start at start up from now on05:06
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crimsunPacoBCN: make sure System>Preferences>Sound>Enable sound server startup is checked05:07
PoopinClumpincan anyone tell me how i can get my refresh rate higher? it stuck at 60hz but i want 85hz and the dropdown menu doesnt have it05:07
honecrimsun: everything05:07
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crimsunhone: "everything?"05:08
crimsunhone: I thought you just said "beeps work"05:08
honecrimsun: yeah keyboard pc speaker beeps05:08
PoopinClumpinoh nevermind i just figured it out05:08
crimsunhone: try restarting esd05:09
PoopinClumpinit detected my monitor wrong during install05:09
honecrimsun: esd&?05:09
honecrimsun: uh05:10
crimsunhone: or just esd05:10
honecrimsun: nope05:11
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PacoBCNstill skype doesn't work, even with esddsp05:12
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[CX] -sw0rdsavyhey guys, how can i stop this ftpd from auto running05:12
honecrimsun: nope won't even let me run mplayer w/ it05:13
UdeS-ppcI have a question folks...05:13
honecrimsun: I'm on a custom kernel05:13
honecrimsun: but all my modules are loaded05:13
[CX] -sw0rdsavyhow can i stop the ftpd from loading at boot05:13
UdeS-ppci am trying to reinstall windows xp on my comp05:13
UdeS-ppcbut I can't cd-bbot?05:13
honehone@ubuntu:/usr/src $ lsmod | grep snd05:14
honesnd_intel8x0m          16648  205:14
honesnd_intel8x0           30536  305:14
honesnd_ac97_codec         67588  2 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x005:14
honesnd_pcm_oss            51304  005:14
honesnd_mixer_oss          17792  4 snd_pcm_oss05:14
honesnd_pcm                87844  3 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm_oss05:14
honesnd_timer              22084  1 snd_pcm05:14
honesnd_page_alloc          8968  3 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm05:14
honesnd_mpu401_uart         6144  1 snd_intel8x005:14
honesnd_rawmidi            20288  1 snd_mpu401_uart05:14
honesnd                    48676  13 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi05:14
ChipzzUdeS-ppc: and exactly how is that ubuntu's and not the BIOS' fault?05:14
honesoundcore               7392  4 snd05:14
lamontUdeS-ppc: sounds like a bios issue05:14
lamontthat is, assuming you have a win xp CD, of course..05:14
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tylerHey all, just upgraded to Hoary, what's supposed to be the difference?05:14
UdeS-ppcwell I want to set up ubuntu and wx on a single hd05:15
Chipzzor maybe a faulty cd05:15
DarthFrogtyler:  Latest & greatest.05:15
honetyler: packages upgraded05:15
honetyler: like gnome 2.1005:15
UdeS-ppcit doesn't want to boot from the cd-drive05:15
UdeS-ppcand the bios is set up correctly05:15
UdeS-ppcI can see the cd when I am under xp05:15
boobytrappedHi All, wondering if anyone has had any luck with Logitech USB Headsets on warty?05:15
ChipzzUdeS-ppc: not is not05:15
Chipzzbecause if it were, it would boot from CD05:15
Chipzzhmm "no it is not" that is05:16
UdeS-ppcChippz, what do u think is wrong?05:16
Chipzzanswer: you may think your bios is set up correctly, but it is not. take another look05:17
tylerahh, cool.05:17
tylerHopefully that means I can install the mad themes now05:17
Chipzzwrong boot-devices in the wonrg order?05:17
r1sibleUdeS-ppc: boot order ? in the BIOS05:17
Chipzzhave you set your pc to boot from cd first and then from hard-disk?05:17
UdeS-ppccd first05:17
UdeS-ppcide-0 second05:17
boobytrappedNobody biting; has anyone had success with multiple sound cards on warty?05:17
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UdeS-ppc3rd nothing05:17
ChipzzUdeS-ppc: basically, if you won't believe us, unplug your harddisk and boot that way05:18
r1sibleUdeS-ppc: will other CDs boot? like a live CD or a Linux install CD?05:18
tylerHow can I add the  blue wireless card monitor that was in Warty?05:18
kapputuI'm not able to access qtparted using the Live CD05:18
crimsunhone: your problem is the modem module05:18
Chipzzit it boots from CD, you had set up the devices in th wrong order05:18
DarthFrogkapputu: Try gparted05:18
UdeS-ppcr1sible I haven't did this yet05:18
crimsunhone: snd_intel8x0m          16648  205:18
Chipzzif it doesn't boot frmo CD, something is wrong with the cd05:18
UdeS-ppcChipzz I believe you05:18
crimsunhone: echo "snd-intel8x0m" | sudo tee -a /etc/modules05:19
kapputucan't find package05:19
r1sibleUdeS-ppc: well how do you know it isn't a fault in the XP CD then?05:19
crimsunhone: then reboot.05:19
DarthFrogkapputu: Install it?05:19
ChipzzUdeS-ppc: but booting happens from within teh BIOS, which starts grub which starts ubuntu when it can't find a bootable cd05:19
Chipzzbut there is no way, really not, that this is ubuntu's or grubs fault05:19
kapputuu mean by downloading the package or using apt?05:19
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UdeS-ppcok, I just think that since I could see it from the XP desktop...05:19
DarthFrogUdeS-ppc: Chipzz is right.05:20
DarthFrogkapputu: Apt or synaptic.05:20
ChipzzUdeS-ppc: try booting with the cd on another computer05:20
Chipzzmaybe there's something wrong with the cd05:20
r1sibleUdeS-ppc: that proves nothing about the bootability of the CD Either it's the BIOS or the CD05:20
UdeS-ppcok, I will try with a Live Cd see what happens05:20
UdeS-ppcok thanks Chipzz and r1sible05:20
UdeS-ppcit's either the drive or the CD I guess05:21
kapputuDarthFrog: if I try to do that apt says it can't find the package gparted05:21
Chipzzthe dirve is indeed another possibility05:21
DarthFrogkapputu: Do you have universe accessible in sources.list?05:21
Chipzzif you have written the cd yourself and your drive doesn't handle that kind of cd's05:21
kapputuDarthFrog: I'm using Kubuntu05:23
kapputuwhy would I need gparted?05:23
DarthFrogkapputu: Soam I.05:23
kapputushould I not use QtParted?05:23
DarthFrogkapputu: because QTParted wasn't available.05:23
kapputuoh ok05:23
honecrimsun: ?05:24
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honecrimsun: snd-intel8x0m05:24
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crimsunhone: 23:19 < crimsun> hone: echo "snd-intel8x0m" | sudo tee -a /etc/modules05:25
honecrimsun: right..that appends it to /etc/modules05:25
crimsunright, then reboot05:25
honecrimsun: ok, I understand that much05:26
honecrimsun: but what was wrong..?05:26
kapputuDarthFrog: I'm having problems with my hard disk05:27
s0cksI'm trying to import ubuntu onto my hamster05:27
s0ckssomeone please help.05:27
kapputugparted doesn't recognize my hda05:27
DarthFrogkapputu: What kind of problems?05:27
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crimsunhone: in nearly all cases, snd-intel8x0m interferes with standard audio applications05:27
r1sibles0cks: I'll  be helping the hamster I think ;)05:28
kapputuwhen it tries to open /dev/hdd , it complains of unrecognized disk label05:28
kapputusame as PMagic05:28
DarthFrogkapputu: What does cfdisk say?05:28
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kapputuI deleted a logical drive and it's been a problem ever since05:28
honecrimsun: oh, so why are we modprobing it then?05:28
honecrimsun: sorry, just trying to understand it05:29
kapputuBad logical partition 7 : prtition ends after end-of-disk05:29
crimsunhone: "we" aren't. It's being done automagically.05:29
honecrimsun: mmk I guess05:29
honecrimsun: let me reboot05:29
crimsunhone: oh crap, sorry, not /etc/modules but /etc/hotplug/blacklist05:30
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honecrimsun: what's that?05:30
crimsunhone: echo "snd-intel8x0m" | sudo tee -a /etc/hotplug/blacklist05:30
kapputuI need to get rid of /dev/hda705:30
kappututhis is outside the partition table05:30
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crimsunhone: and remove snd-intel8x0m from /etc/modules :-)05:30
crimsunhone: thanks for catching that05:30
DarthFrogkapputu: back up the data from that drive, wipe it clean and start again.05:31
honecrimsun: yeah, I didn't really05:31
honecrimsun: just didn't make sense to me :-P05:31
honecrimsun: still a n00b @ 6 years w00t05:31
crimsunall newbs ;-)05:31
honecrimsun: ok brb05:31
kapputuI don't have a XP CD that I can use for this05:31
kapputuI'm using the one that came along with it05:32
DarthFrogkapputu: Ouch.05:32
kapputudid I say the evil word?05:33
DarthFrogkapputu: Can you delete the partition with cfdisk?05:33
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kapputuplain fdisk works05:33
kapputucfdisk errors out05:33
DarthFrogThen use fdisk.05:34
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billytwowillywhat's a good hex editor for ubuntu?05:34
kapputuhmm how do I identify the partition that I need to delete?05:35
DarthFrogWow, i just got an email from Linux Counter, asking me to update my entry.  I've been registered with them since 1994!  Eleven years of using Linux. :-)05:36
PacoBCNDarthFrog, that's geek!05:36
DarthFrogkapputu: Urk! Stop!!  Identify the partition first before you go any farther.05:36
XposerXDarthFrog, sweet...what was your first distro?05:37
DarthFrogXposerX: I started with Slackware.  Couldn't get SLS to go.05:37
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kapputuDarthFrog: how did u switch to ubuntu?05:38
DarthFrogkapputu: How?  Or why?05:38
XposerXDarthFrog, ahh...i remember using debian back in 96 ...rough experience05:38
DarthFrogWell, I love the spirit of Ubuntu.  And Canonical.com is from the Isle of Man.  I was born in the Isle of Man. :-)05:39
kapputuoh cool05:39
kapputuI've been addicted to Ubuntu ever since I started using it05:39
DarthFrogXposerX: Yeah, Linux was a rite of passage then.05:39
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kapputuespecially the Ubuntu community has been very helpful05:40
DarthFrog Getting a modem to work was a major chore.05:40
zeppelin_does anyone know if there are any MUD Clients in the repositories?05:40
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PacoBCNindeed, the comunity of Ubuntu is great05:40
DarthFrogkapputu: ubuntu really makes for a lovely desktop Debian.05:40
kapputuapt-get is the best05:41
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kapputuno dependencies05:41
PacoBCNIt's the first time I see so many windows users installing a linux distro05:41
XposerXubuntu's community is the reason i left debian sarge and sid05:41
hou5tonanyone know how to make it so a Real Player link actually opens Real Player instead of trying to run it through Totem, which doesn't do those files?05:41
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crimsunzeppelin_: apt-cache search mud|grep -v ^lib05:41
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DarthFrogXposerX: I've pretty much viewed Debian as being the heart & soul of Linux.  Ubuntu embraces and extends that. :-)05:42
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DarthFrogkapputu: Try and mount all the partitions on the drive.  See what they contain.05:42
XposerXDarthFrog, i wholeheartedly agree05:42
honehey crimson05:43
honecrimsun: I still dont' get sound05:43
crimsunhone: cat /proc/asound/modules05:44
crimsunhone: then paste lsmod output onto pastebin05:44
honecrimsun: pastebin?05:44
DarthFrogXposerX: Debian seems to me to be too large and unwieldy right now.  I don't think they've scaled well.05:44
crimsunhone: pastebin.com or pastebin.ca05:44
honecrimsun: it's in flood05:45
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crimsunhone: and lsmod?05:45
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honecrimsun: grep snd?05:46
ribCan someone tell me how to find out my processors temperature in ubuntu05:46
ribmy pc keeps crashing and I think that might be it05:46
XposerXDarthFrog, That's a pretty accurate assessment of the Debian archive, but at the same time - the beatuy is the sheer quality and quantity of their standards - politics aside.05:46
kapputuI would like to contribute actually05:47
honecrimsun: oops05:47
kapputuI don't know where to start05:47
crimsunhone: that's fine05:47
crimsunhone: amixer output onto pastebin, please05:47
DarthFrogXposerX: Oh yes, I'm with you on that.  I just hope they manage to get around their problems.  It's taking forever to get out a new stable release.05:48
DarthFrogXposerX: Mind you, when Debian says stable, they mean stable! :-)05:48
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honecrimsun: http://pastebin.com/25554105:48
caliberhttp://ab.login.yahoo.com/img/y9EyaOVZFenaoZws7BeUDLfajO3H9ZDaIc.NCpIQaX24rvffWIEUgDQrcLBgHFmTaa35vWZgkEx.eSh8x50G27WJOWzBL4z_1vsx.jpg    <---- YAHOO's supposed SECURITY CHECK?05:49
zeppelin_what do I use to install a .deb package?05:49
DarthFrogXposerX: So I've come to the view that Debian is for servers and Ubuntu is for desktops.05:49
crimsunhone: heh, PCM is muted.05:49
LevanderWhat's the easiest way to log performance data under Ubuntu?  Like a log of system monitor so I can open it up later and look through the graph?05:49
zeppelin_its from one of the archives05:49
LeeColletonzeppelin_: dpkg -i05:49
honecrimsun: mother )(&%@05:49
DarthFrogzeppelin_: dpkg -i (package.deb)05:49
honecrimsun: I unmuted it last time05:49
zeppelin_will that install the package as well?05:49
honecrimsun: it remuted?05:49
crimsunit's muted05:49
honecrimsun: I love feeling stupid05:49
DarthFrogzeppelin_:  "-i" means install05:50
honecrimsun: yay alsamixer05:50
LeeColletonzeppelin_: or you can convert it to a .rpm with alien if you're on a RedHat Package Manager based system05:50
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PacoBCNI'm learning a lot just by reading how people help eachother here05:51
LeeColletonzeppelin_: nevermind about the alien thing05:51
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orospakrHi! are we likely to see OO.o 2.0 in Hoary or at least available for hoary in universe?05:51
|QuaD-orospakr: i am using it via universe05:51
PoopinClumpincan anyone tell me if theres a way to use synaptic to install mplayer05:51
XposerXDarthFrog, yeah, debian official release are _the_ best server os release out there05:51
DarthFrogorospakr: It's available now as openoffice2 in hoary.05:52
PacoBCNXposerX, there is if you add the right repository05:52
crimsunorospakr: openoffice.org205:52
crimsunorospakr: how's gtk-gnutella? :-)05:52
DarthFrogOh right, it's openoffice.org.  :-)05:52
XposerXDarthFrog, and other desktop variant of debian didn't quite do as well as ubuntu has in this short time05:52
orospakrcrimsun, working perfectly!05:52
orospakrcrimsun, many thanks!05:52
crimsungreat :-)05:52
PacoBCNgtk-gnutella works perfectly now05:53
orospakrcrimsun, that was a super-fast update.05:53
PoopinClumpini coul dhave sworn i had used synaptic to install mplayer once before but i dont see it in the list anymore05:53
DarthFrogXposerX: No.  Xandros has a lot to like, especially their file manager.05:53
orospakrfrom bug-filing to updated packages in less than 12 hours. :D05:53
hou5tonanyone know how to make it so a Real Player link actually opens Real Player instead of trying to run it through Totem, which doesn't do those files?05:53
Levanderis OOo2 gonna be outta beta by the time they release hoary? I've already noticed some bugs in the OOo2 beta05:53
Levanderunder Windows XP05:53
crimsunorospakr: I had to test on a couple architectures before uploading else it would have been up earlier.05:53
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honeLevander: doubt it05:53
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DarthFrogLevander: Who can tell?05:53
PlanarPlatypusdoes anyone know why a custom kernel wpould suddenly be unable to find the root filesystem, all required drivers are in, the same config worked fine on the same hardware under debian and the grub config file is the same as it was under the previous incarnation of the kernel as well05:54
DarthFrogLevander: But it doesn't really matter, does it?  It'll be apt-gettable very shortly after release.05:54
calcLevander: well OOo2 is supposed to be out sometime the end of this month (iirc)05:54
PlanarPlatypusit also boots the stock kernel fine05:54
zeppelin_Has anyone used the copy of gnome-mud from the universe repository05:54
honecalc: it is?05:54
Levanderjust kinda sux, cause they'll prolly stop getting new releases of openoffice for hoary once it's released, have to either get OOo2 yourself or be stuck with beta version until next release of Ubuntu05:54
ChipzzPlanarPlatypus: have you built both ext2/3 support and support for your IDE chipset into the kernel?05:55
calchone: it may have gotten pushed back05:55
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honecalc: ahh05:55
DarthFrogPlanarPlatypus: Either you forgot to include the driver for the filesystem in the kernel or it's not in the initrd.05:55
PlanarPlatypusChipzz, yes (it is a SATA chip but the answer is still yes)05:55
PoopinClumpinshould i assume mplayer doesnt work on ubuntu?05:55
calcLevander: just run the newest ubuntu, problem solved ;)05:55
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calcPoopinClumpin: works fine afaik05:55
PlanarPlatypusDarthFrog, am not using an initrd05:55
honePointwood: I just apt-get installed mplayer-custom05:55
ChipzzPlanarPlatypus: if you compile either into the kernel, you need to compile BOTH into the kernel05:55
calcPoopinClumpin: not much need for it when you have totem-xine as well05:55
hou5tonhow can I set file type associations?05:55
honePoopinClumpin: I just apt-get installed mplayer-custom05:55
calcand totem-xine looks much nicer05:55
Levandercalc: ha! but then I gotta new hobby of finding all the bugs in ubuntu i don't want05:56
DarthFrogPlanarPlatypus: Chipzz is right.05:56
PoopinClumpini searched the synaptic but couldnt find any mplayer05:56
honePoopinClumpin: going to recompile my own version next05:56
PlanarPlatypusChipzz, I did...05:56
honePoopinClumpin: respositories05:56
calcLevander: heh :)05:56
zeppelin_what does dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of gnome-mud: mean?05:56
calcPoopinClumpin: mplayer is in the illegal archive ;)05:56
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honezeppelin_: apt-get build-dep05:56
honecalc: oh nice05:56
PoopinClumpinwhats so illegal about mplayer?05:56
calcPoopinClumpin: see the ubuntu restricted formats page05:56
DarthFrogcalc: Illegal archive??05:56
calcPoopinClumpin: it violates many patents, etc05:56
LevanderPoopinClumpin: there's a howto in the howto forums i used to install mplayer from sources05:56
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PacoBCNPoopin, ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/05:57
Levanderthe howto ubuntu fourm05:57
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PoopinClumpini guess illegal if you live in the USA05:57
PacoBCNI think there is some mplayer package there05:57
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calcDarthFrog: well marillat's archive located outside of the USA, and will soon need to be moved out of .eu as well05:57
calcPoopinClumpin: patents now are valid in europe as well aiui05:57
PoopinClumpinthanks PacoBCN05:57
bruno_polarIm having some trouble with ubunto...can anyone help?05:57
bruno_polarmy mouse doesnt work....05:57
DarthFrogcalc: Ah, that's what you meant. Gotcha.05:57
zeppelin_hone: It says no such file or directory05:58
DarthFrogcalc: I knew of warty, hoary, universe & multiverse. Never heard of illegal before. :-)05:58
Levanderi just thought ubuntu didn't want any commercial formats supported in their distribution?  what's the mplayer patent problem?05:58
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kapputuso I can't use mplayer at work if I decide to use Ubuntu?05:59
BROKEN_LADDERno commercial formats?  awesome.  go ogg.05:59
honezeppelin_: sudo apt-get build-dep gnome-mud05:59
honekapputu: yes you can05:59
PoopinClumpini couldnt care less about patents, i just want to watch my video05:59
BROKEN_LADDERkapputu:  that's ridiculous.05:59
calcDarthFrog: heh05:59
crimsunzeppelin_: no. Is there something wrong with it in hoary?05:59
BROKEN_LADDERkapputu:  you could always compile source yourself, even if ubuntu packages didn't have it.05:59
kapputuBROKEN_LADDER: yeah it would be05:59
kapputujust making sure05:59
calcLevander: pretty much all media outside of ogg/theora is patented05:59
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zeppelin_I dont have hoary, Warty05:59
BROKEN_LADDERogg/vorbis is also not patented.05:59
calcoh yea and flac ;)05:59
omaktlhey everybody06:00
Levandercalc: so, everybody's gonna have to stop using mp3 unless they pay somebody?06:00
DarthFrogbruno_polar: Sorry to hear about your mouse.  Can you move it to a different port and try it?06:00
honeI just use flac/ogg06:00
Levanderthat'll just kill that format, doesn't sound right06:00
PoopinClumpinpfft like thats gonna happen06:00
BROKEN_LADDERmp3 is dead.06:00
crimsunzeppelin_: sorry, can't do anything for Warty, since it's frozen.06:00
calcLevander: if thomson wanted to sue you for damages they could06:00
bruno_polarno... I only got one serial06:00
BROKEN_LADDERmp3 is a dinosaur.06:00
Levanderhone: yeah, i use flac to06:00
omaktllisten i've just moved to ubuntu from suse and I can't make it to poweroff06:00
crimsunzeppelin_: anything wrong with it?06:00
bruno_polarits an old machine I put together to try different software06:00
PoopinClumpinmp3 still works great for me06:00
Levanderhone: mean ogg06:00
BROKEN_LADDERon my site you can download my songs in aac, vorbis, or mp3.  the mp3 download icon is a dodo bird.06:00
ChipzzI really wouldn't claim mp3 is dead06:00
PacoBCNmp3 is not dead at all06:00
zeppelin_shoot, even sudo apt-get build-dep gnome-mud says no such file or directory06:00
regeyait should be dead06:00
BROKEN_LADDERmp3 doesn't "work great".  it sucks.06:01
Levanderomaktl: /sbin/shutdown06:01
LeeColletonyou can't be sued for damages just for using an mp3 player06:01
PoopinClumpinit "works great" for me06:01
BROKEN_LADDERvorbis sounds as good with almost half as much data.06:01
BROKEN_LADDERit works better.06:01
omaktltheres the apm module06:01
ChipzzBROKEN_LADDER: not on all portable mp3 players06:01
LeeColletonif you distribute an mp3 player in hardware or software then you are violating some patent06:01
ChipzzBROKEN_LADDER: .06:01
PoopinClumpinoh i didnt realize you were basing your statemtn on a subjective "sound quality" argument06:01
BROKEN_LADDERAAC exists if you like proprietary things like apple ipods.06:01
DarthFrogBROKEN_LADDER: There is a tremendous amount of data in MP3 format.06:01
BROKEN_LADDERit's not that subjective.  you can actually look at frequency response.06:01
calcaac is as proprietary as mp306:01
LevanderChipzz: so buy a DAP that supports ogg, that's what i did06:01
kappututoo bad I can't use the live cd for installing06:01
PoopinClumpinlol ok dude06:02
BROKEN_LADDERcalc:   but at least aac has a good quality to bitrate ratio.06:02
regeyaindeed BROKEN_LADDER but vorbis support isn't the greatest in the "supported" department, which is why mp3 is still used...OTOH, "WordPerfect is really common" didn't stop MS from dominating the market with Word06:02
DarthFrogBROKEN_LADDER: Sound quality is a perception, therefore by definition it's subjective.06:02
PoopinClumpinyou can study frequesncy response while i go listen to my music06:02
ChipzzLevander: what if your dad buys an mp3-player that doesn't?06:02
omaktlno i mean it stands on Powerdown but the fan keeps working06:02
BROKEN_LADDERthere is great support for vorbis.  you can play it in any operating system.06:02
Chipzzor someone else you know06:02
calcBROKEN_LADDER: i know i use aac on my ipod06:02
LevanderChipzz: tell him to return it06:02
calcipod doesn't do ogg and aac is much better than mp3 ... so06:02
BROKEN_LADDERand there are portable vorbis players.  the iriver h320 is awesome.06:02
Chipzzzeah. right.06:02
regeyaI can go to the local Best Buy and get a Vorbis-capable device06:02
Chipzzyeah even06:02
BROKEN_LADDERso don' buy an ipod.06:03
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regeyaI'll second that, but only because the ipod...well...06:03
Chipzztruth of the matter is, most people just do not care about ogg/vorbis being an open format and all06:03
LevanderIAudio's got the best ogg players in the new generation coming out right now.  iRiver hasn't even announced ogg support in their new players06:03
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Chipzzthey just want a cheap mp3-player06:03
BROKEN_LADDERLevander:  i have yet to see iaudio produce anything with the feaures of an iriver player.06:03
Levanderthe iRiver H10 5gb that's already out doesn't currently support ogg, neither have they promised it06:03
BROKEN_LADDERnor the looks.06:03
Chipzzwake up and smell the coffee06:03
BROKEN_LADDERLevander:   buy the h32006:04
LevanderBROKEN_LADDER: what feature specifically?06:04
BROKEN_LADDERit's better anyway.06:04
bruno_polarPlease... if there is someone who can help-me solve mouse issues on ubuntu, pvt me06:04
regeya"it's not supported, so nobody uses it" <- once upon a time, mp3 wasn't supported...guess no one will ever use it06:04
LevanderBROKEN_LADDER: I want usb-host and usb otg, not on the h32006:04
BROKEN_LADDERlike the direct recording to mp3.06:04
BROKEN_LADDERgreat color screen.06:04
DarthFrogbruno_polar: Itmight not be a mouse issue, _per se_, it might be a serial port issue.06:04
BROKEN_LADDERLevander:  it's on the Euro version, which you can buy if you like.  i have yet to see any other player with that.06:04
LevanderBROKEN_LADDER: new IAudio X5 got both of those06:04
|QuaD-anyone here wanna help someone who doesn't know how to use diff?06:04
DarthFrogbruno_polar: Can you use a PS/2 mouse or USB mouse?06:04
BROKEN_LADDERnew?  i'll check it out.06:05
BROKEN_LADDERit must be pretty new.06:05
bruno_polarno I cant...its an old machine...06:05
bruno_polarI only got one serial06:05
bruno_polarold on-board machine06:05
LevanderBROKEN_LADDER: it's not out yet, hold on I'll get u a link06:05
bruno_polarI can say it was working on win98...06:05
DarthFrogbruno_polar: Sorry, it's been too long since I used a serial mouse.  I've forgotten all that ancient stuff. :-(06:05
bruno_polarok.. thx anyway06:05
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LevanderBROKEN_LADDER: iAudio M5 - http://www.suntecint.com/detail.php?cat=&catid=22&prodid=7206:06
BROKEN_LADDERlol.  it's not out yet.06:06
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BROKEN_LADDERcalc:   which one?06:06
omaktli found it06:06
DarthFrogbruno_polar: You might try the Ubuntu support web pages/mailing lists for help.06:06
BROKEN_LADDERgot xchat name completion blows.06:06
calcBROKEN_LADDER: iomega hipzip06:06
LevanderBROKEN_LADDER: new iRiver H10 that just came out, notice no ogg support http://www.iriveramerica.com/prod/hd/h10_blue.aspx06:06
bruno_polarI found the link for this chat there06:06
BROKEN_LADDERcalc:  rad06:06
calcit used tiny 40mb disks though that were expensive06:06
BROKEN_LADDERLevander:  i know this already. duh06:06
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LevanderBROKEN_LADDER: yeah, all the big mp3 manufacturers are releasing new stuff right now06:07
calcand iirc the firmware never ended up getting publically released :\06:07
BROKEN_LADDERdon't buy anything from rio!!!06:07
BROKEN_LADDERdon't get burned.06:07
kapputuwhoa DarthFrog I removed the offending partition and created a new one and it shows up and I'm going to get Ubuntu going once again06:07
BROKEN_LADDERthose bastards put me through HELL with my rio karma.06:07
LevanderBROKEN_LADDER: the iAudio M5 is gonna come out in the next month06:07
BROKEN_LADDERit broke and broke and broke again.06:07
BROKEN_LADDERcustomer support sucked.06:07
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kapputuok which is better ReiserFS or ext3?06:07
DarthFrogkapputu: Congratulations!!  Give yourself a well-deserved pat on the back! :-)06:07
calckarma didn't look too sturdy06:07
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calci was considering getting that before i got the ipod06:08
DarthFrogkapputu: I like reiserfs.06:08
DarthFrogkapputu: But ext3 is good.  Doesn't really matter.06:08
regeyait's a 1st generation rio, doesn't do anything other than mp3, has a small amount of memory, and the display lets me know that the rio handles vbr mp3 poorly.06:08
BROKEN_LADDERthe m5 looks pimpish.06:08
kapputumount point?06:08
BROKEN_LADDERreiser here06:08
kappututhe default is '/' but don't understand why06:09
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LevanderBROKEN_LADDER: Yeah, I'm not crazy about the looks either, i think they're okay, but it's got all the functionality i want06:09
jdubkapputu: i trust ext3 more than i do reiserfs.06:10
tritiumsome people have had very bad experiences with reiserfs06:10
kapputuwhat's the mount point?06:10
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John_CareyIs anyone running Ubuntu on a Sony TR1?06:10
kapputuwhy is '/' the default06:10
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meldrocext3 works well.  i hear it's slightly slower than reiserfs, jfs, xfs though.  and i've heard horror stories about the latter.06:10
DarthFrogkapputu: Default for what?06:10
meldrocdon't know if the horror stories about reiser are true though.  i've seen it a few times and it didn't blow up in my face then.06:11
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kapputuwell if you look at tutorials, you are asked to put the mount point as /06:11
DarthFrogThe main thing I dislike about ext3fs is that it is still going to do a forced fsck after x number of mounts.06:11
regeyaI've lived through some reiser horror stories, and hans's answer of "it's a hardware problem" made me distrust it even more06:11
meldrocyou can turn off the forced fscks, can't you?06:12
calci've seen bad things happen on all filesystems06:12
membreyaDarthFrog, only 30 :P06:12
regeyabecause either 1.) he's full of shit or 2.) reiserfs isn't very fault-tolerant06:12
calcext2/3, reiser, xfs, etc06:12
meldroci usually don't - it's good to have the check just in case...06:12
DarthFrogregeya: Well, reiserfs is now in Linus' kernel.06:12
regeyathe new reiser features sound sweet, and I can't wait for some other file system to implement it.06:12
membreyaonly problem I had with reiserfs was doing a convertfs where it wiped out my kernel and my /bin directory..at which point I am now .. I am reinstalling everything06:12
regeyaDarthFrog: yes, and 2.6 is a development kernel.06:12
kapputuwhat happens if I set the bootable flag to "On"?06:13
calcany time you see in a changelog something was changed on a filesystem it is likely it bit someone ;)06:13
DarthFrogregeya: Yeah, that's not good.06:13
regeyaDarthFrog: in other words, that doesn't mean a darn thing to me.  is it supposed to mean that I can trust reiser because linus trusts it?  linus hasn't exactly had a brilliant track record the past few years06:13
DarthFrogkapputu: If you're using grub or lilo, nothing much.  If not, Windows won't be able to boot if it's not marked bootable.06:13
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DarthFrogregeya: No, not at all.  Just that others do trust it.  You should always go on your own experience.06:14
saberdo you know if the current devel version of ubuntu contains more automatic hardware detection?06:14
jdubregeya: dude, chill out please.06:15
geneo93saber:  better06:15
jdubsaber: yes, it's more consistent and has better coverage.06:15
kapputusaber: it recognized an old internal modem on one of my desktops, I consider that pretty good06:15
saberI installed version 4.10 and it did not detect my network card06:15
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jdubsaber: what's your network card?06:15
redactechhello all06:15
saberand all it took was a mod probe, so i was thinking i could write a simple script or something for it06:15
regeyamy own experience has taught me this:  if you have good hardware, I mean really good hardware, go for reiser.  if not, go for something else. :-)06:15
saberit was a 3com 3c50906:16
DarthFrogregeya: :-)06:16
jdubsaber: perhaps its PCI ID wasn't in the module06:16
PacoBCNyou know what we should do? To have an Enemy Territory server for Ubuntu users :)06:16
jdubsaber: it might be in hoary, so try it; if not, post the PCI ID to bugzilla06:16
kapputuI have never been a gamer, but would like to try out some06:16
kapputuany recommendations?06:17
regeyaas long as kubuntu users are welcome as well :-)06:17
saberjdub: how can i retrieve the PCI ID? is it somewhere inside of /proc?06:17
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meldrocwhat regeya said. :D06:17
DarthFrogsaber: From "lspci -v"06:17
kapputuregeya: you just need to do a apt-get install of kubuntu-desktop to get kubuntu right?06:17
meldroc<3 kubuntu :)06:17
tritiumkapputu, I'm not a gamer either, but I enjoy a few minutes of supertux every now and then06:17
jdubsaber: post the lspci -vvv stanza06:17
regeyaI think so...I dunno.  I just did a fresh install from cd then upgraded06:17
kappututritium: what's it about?06:17
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CompotatoJHas anyone got swf's to play on x86_64 working?06:18
tritiumkapputu, it's like a super mario brothers clone with a penguin.  it's pretty cute06:18
redactechI need help with a kernel panic, it is chroot related I guess06:18
soleblazeanyone here know a program that will either write tags and rename files for flac's using cddb.. or will move files into different directories based on flac tags?06:18
regeyaI also found that when I installed from a kubuntu CD, I couldn't mount hotpluggable media, and had to install pmount06:18
CompotatoJHas anyone got swf's to play on ubuntu x86_64*06:18
meldrochow does the amd64 version of kubuntu (or ubuntu) work?  any performance boost?06:18
tritiumkapputu, http://super-tux.sourceforge.net/06:18
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kapputuI used to play Sokoban06:19
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kapputuwhat's neato rails?06:19
meldrocnah, who needs those new-fangled graphics when you've got nethack?06:19
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redactechhelp !06:20
regeyakapputu: :-)  it's a ruby on rails tutorial, and it's neato...a quick guide to going from 'rails blog' to a working blog...haven't watched it yet.06:21
=== meldroc is still having problems getting the nvidia drivers working - he's using the nv driver for the moment.
honemy speed stepping is messed up06:21
redactechhow can access my HD with the Live CD ?06:21
honeit only has 2 states as opposed to 5-606:21
kapputuwhat's a rails blog and what's ruby on rails?06:22
honeonly goes from 600 mhz to 1 ghz06:22
meldroclast time i tried changing the driver from nv to nvidia in xorg.conf, x wouldn't start at all.  previous time, I got an Nvidia splash screen, then a screen full of garbage.06:22
meldroci'm pondering rolling my own kernel and installing the new 7167 drivers.06:22
Levanderredactech: mount /dev/hda1 /mnt06:22
regeyaneat!  when I plugged in a usb flash drive, the volume named showed up in 'media:/' instead of a desktop icon saying 'sda1'06:23
Levanderredactech: /dev/hda1 needs to be subsituted with correct partition device file06:23
tritiummeldroc, you're using amd64?06:23
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meldrocnope, using x86 right now.  left some space on my HD for an amd64 install when i get around to it.06:24
tritiummeldroc, really?  I've had no problems with nvidia on x86, aside from kernel 2.6.10-26 ;)06:24
meldrocin theory, all you have to do is type sudo nvidia-glx-config enable, start X and you're going.  Lemme see if that works...  BBL06:25
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PacoBCNJust saw there's an upgrade of nvidia-glx06:27
PacoBCNanyone knows what are the changes?06:27
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tritiumPacoBCN, you can always read the changelog to find out (/usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/changelog.Debian.gz06:29
PacoBCNthanks, tritium06:29
tritiumPacoBCN, sure.  you can use zcat, and pipe it into less (or more) if it's long06:29
crimsunor just use zless06:30
tritiumeven better :)06:30
PacoBCN  * Update AVM copyright text.06:30
PacoBCN  * Bump *_minor.06:30
crimsunfor l-r-m06:30
PacoBCNnop, sorry06:30
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tritiumPacoBCN, you got it!06:31
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PacoBCNnice to know they changed the AVM copyright text!06:31
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crimsunPacoBCN: wget http://sh.nu/~crimsun/changelog06:32
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crimsunPacoBCN: stash that in ~/bin06:32
crimsunPacoBCN: then you can do changelog linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)06:32
PacoBCNcrimsun, thanks a lot, however I think I won't have to dig into it06:33
crimsunand other fun stuff.06:33
PacoBCNI never had problems with nvidia06:33
crimsunalso, installing apt-listchanges is a Good Thing06:33
zenrox_crimsun,  the new nvidia driver rocks06:34
zenrox_x loads faster06:34
crimsunzenrox_: 1.0-7167?06:34
crimsunhaven't noticed, haven't been home to use that pc ;-)06:34
zenrox_its nice06:34
PacoBCNto be honest with you, since when warty was still beta, I only had problems with sound and dvd burning with my Medion Laptop06:35
ace2001aczenrox: are there packages for the new driver yet?06:35
membreyagah, I can't believe I didn't backup my galeon directory when I did a cp -a on it :(06:35
membreyaand my email06:35
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TwigmanHi Guys.. I'm using Hoary... Any idea why my 'Computer' folder doesn't update when new media is automatically mounted?06:36
mario8723Have you tried to reload it?06:37
TwigmanThis affects usb devices and also cds etc..06:37
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marcin_antTwigman: it's propably broken06:37
TwigmanI have, if I log out and then back in the media is visible..06:37
Twigmanmarcin_ant: aahuh!06:37
marcin_antTwigman: on  my desktop I cannot mount cd on "computer"06:37
mario8723Hey Crimsun06:37
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zenroxace2001ac,  dont know but the driver installs just fine06:38
marcin_antTwigman: when I put cd/dvd to drive then it mounts automatically06:38
Twigmanmarcin_ant: I mean the list of devices in the 'Computer://' location..06:38
marcin_antTwigman: and information about it doesn't go to "computer"06:38
da_bon_bonhi all06:38
mario8723Mine mounts automatically as well06:38
Twigmanmarcin_ant: same.. but it doesn't show up in the 'computer://' location..06:38
da_bon_bonwazzup ?06:38
Twigmanaaaaah ok..06:38
Twigmanthat seems broken.06:38
mario8723I believe there is a setting that you can change to have it mount automatically06:38
Twigmanit also doesn't show up in the drive mount applet..06:38
mario8723Unfortunately, I don't know what it is06:38
Twigmanmario8723: it is mounting automatically.. but it doesn't appear to be mounted in 'computer://'06:39
marcin_antmario8723: right it mounts - and files are available in for example /media/cdrom006:39
TwigmanI assume this is related to dbus..06:39
Twigmanmarcin_ant: yep... same here..06:39
mario8723I know I have seen it somewhere though, unless I'm losing my mind-which is entirely feasible06:39
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marcin_antmario8723: but then if you go to computer and dblclick on cdrom then you got info that unable to mount volume (while it's alredy mounted)06:39
Twigmancan't eject without trying to mount it (even though it is already mounted). Clicking 'close' on the 'failed to mount' dialog, and then unmounting it..06:39
da_bon_boncrimsun: are u here ?06:40
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ellstritium: what is up Mike06:40
TwigmanIt's been this way for a long time, doesn't really bother me (I don't use media much) but it seems to be a long running issue ..06:40
da_bon_bontritium: hi mike06:40
tritiumells, hey there.  I've been waiting on you :)06:40
tritiumhi da_bon_bon :)06:40
meldrocdammit, the nvidia drivers do not want to work!  when I try enabling the nvidia drivers instead of the nv drivers, I get an NVidia splash screen, then I get a few pieces of the kdm login screen on top of it.  absolutely will not work correctly! >_<06:40
crimsunda_bon_bon: yes?06:40
ellssorry, man, I eneded up writing an 8 page term paper06:40
tritiumWhat's up guys?06:40
da_bon_bonanyone here who runs sid + hoary ?06:41
ellstritium: I was hot06:41
mario8723Sorry I don't have any info here, but I'm sure somebody could help06:41
meldroci had this exact same problem on my older debian unstable box - started happening when drivers updated to 6629.  i reverted to 6111 to make it go away.06:41
tritiumells, no problem06:41
mario8723I would be interested in the sid+hoary response as well06:41
da_bon_boncrimsun: u run sid + hoary right ? by adding the repos, right ?06:41
meldrocanyone know where I can get 6111 drivers for ubuntu?06:41
ellstritium: I cant beleive I was able to do it in such a short time06:41
TwigmanYeah.. the fact that it is happening on other people's pcs means that at least it's not just mine..06:41
tritiummeldroc, possibly in morgue.ubuntu.com06:42
meldroc6629 is utter crap!  nvidia should never have released it in that state.06:42
da_bon_boncrimsun: snd that ensures that it will always be updated to the latestest software ?06:42
meldrocthanks tritium06:42
da_bon_boncrimsun: *and06:42
crimsunda_bon_bon: my home machine's base is sid. Hoary bits are added and pinned as necessary.06:42
mario8723Is that a good idea? Sid+Hoary?06:42
tritiummeldroc, but I don't know the date, sorry....06:42
da_bon_boncrimsun: whats pinning ?06:42
crimsunmario8723: absolutely not.06:42
mario8723crimsun: whaddup?06:42
mario8723Didn't sound like one06:42
da_bon_bonmario8723: yes, it is a good idea if u want a broken machine every now and then06:42
mario8723I figured as much06:42
crimsunmario8723: it's a horrible, horrible mess even if you know what you're doing.06:42
mario8723I'm sure06:42
Twigmanok everyone, I'm outta here.. See ya's..06:43
crimsunI like challenges. :-)06:43
mario8723Which is why I didn't add the Debian repo :)06:43
tritiumda_bon_bon, if you want to try pinning, you might want to read the apt-howto06:43
crimsunda_bon_bon: man 5 apt_preferencs06:43
mario8723I hear ya06:43
crimsunapt_preferences ^06:43
mario8723I'm far from the point where I would be willing to "experiment"06:43
da_bon_boncrimsun, tritium: thanks06:43
da_bon_bonhey, how do i plat crack-attack ? which server do i join ?06:43
crimsunby all means, stick with Ubuntu's repos06:43
meldrocew, the morgue.ubuntu.com interface makes it impossible to find anything06:44
mario8723Crimsun: what did you think about my onboard sound problem from last night? I'm screwed right?06:44
mario8723Unless I just purchase a Soundblaster card06:44
meldrocdoes anyone know if the new 7167 nvidia drivers fix the bugs in 6629?06:44
crimsunmario8723: not screwed, but I've been looking at things unrelated to Hoary for the past several hours (I spent about 12 hours fixing two universe packages)06:44
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mario8723Sounds like fun06:44
crimsunyeah, broken build systems are "very fun"06:45
mario8723Do you actually develop for Ubuntu or just volunteer?06:45
crimsunmario8723: I don't think you're screwed06:45
crimsunmario8723: volunteer.06:45
meldrocother than that, anyone know where i can find 7167 or 6111 nvidia driver packages?  i'm pretty sure that 6111 will work.  haven't tried 7167 yet...06:45
crimsunmario8723: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/MOTU06:45
mario8723So what do you think is my next step?06:45
crimsunmario8723: waiting to hear from upstream06:46
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crimsunmeldroc: I doubt Hoary will get 1.0-716706:46
mario8723Oh, so you asked somebody for me?06:46
crimsunmario8723: absolutely06:46
da_bon_bonhey, whats the morgue.ubuntu.com ?06:46
mario8723That's awesome, thanks a lot!06:46
crimsunda_bon_bon: old, deprecated packages06:46
da_bon_boncrimsun: ah, ok06:47
mario8723I have to tell you, the best thing about switching to Linux thus far is the community06:47
mario8723Hands down06:47
da_bon_bonmario8723: right06:47
crimsunthat's the way it should be :-)06:47
da_bon_bonmario8723: try finding #windows or #microsoft :)06:47
mario8723There was never any place like this where I could go when I was trying to learn Windows06:47
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mario8723Yeah seriously06:47
BrendHello. We're running the 5.04-preview release of hoary, and in the last week or so the machine it's on has frozen up completely and required a hard reboot. Is this conceivably Ubuntu, rather than a hardware problem? If so, what logs or other things should I look at?06:48
BrendThat first sentence should have included the words "three or four times" :)06:48
meldroc6629 is a piece of worthless crap.  i'd give anything to expel it from the distro06:48
crimsunBrend: can you pinpoint what the machine was doing when it froze?06:48
meldroci've never been able to make it work right06:48
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crimsunBrend: i.e. was it loading GNOME?06:48
mario8723Btw, that brings up a good question that I've had06:48
da_bon_boncrimsun: right, if it was then he would need noinotify ,right ?06:49
Brendcrimsun, no, or at least I don't know how. This time it was checking out a very large SVN repository from itself, but other times it hasn't been06:49
mario8723Concerning Gnome06:49
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meldrocso i'm gonna roll my own nvidia drivers from the downloads at nvidia.com - first try 7167, then try 6111.06:49
crimsunda_bon_bon: Preview shipped with 25.2, which disabled inotify by default06:49
mario8723I updated via synaptic to gnome-2.10 a few days ago06:49
DarthFrogBrend: Did you have the same problem with Warty?06:49
mario8723And there were supposedly all these new features...icons, themes etc06:49
mario8723I can't find any of them06:50
crimsunmeldroc: keep in mind you'll be treading a thin line if you continue to update Hoary, then06:50
BrendDarthFrog, no, but we haven't run warty for any period of time06:50
zenroxmeldroc,  7176 is nice06:50
mario8723I'm assuming everything was installed via synaptic06:50
zenroxmeldroc,  works on hoary06:50
da_bon_boncrimsun: but i noticed, on 2.6.11, if i disable inotify then it is very slow. why is that ?06:50
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alka_trashhey all06:50
honehow come I can't change my scaling_max_freq06:50
DarthFrogBrend: Have you done an "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade"?06:51
crimsunmeldroc: whenever l-r-m or nvidia-glx or xorg* (and more packages) are updated, you'll have to reinstall the Nvidia drivers/libs06:51
meldrocyep...  every time a kernel updates, i have to redo my nvidia drivers.06:51
alka_trashanyone tried the new nvidia driver that was released the other day?06:51
zenroxcrimsun,  at least till thay get relead with ubuntu's aprovial06:51
BrendDarthFrog, only the former.06:51
meldroci'm about to.  6629 is completely broken for me, in the same way it was broken on my old box.06:52
zenroxmeldroc, make shure you turn off x06:52
DarthFrogBrend: There's been a couple of kernel updates.06:52
crimsunzenrox: for Bendy, yes06:52
BrendI suppose really my question is, before we get on the phone to IBM, are there any checks we could do to see if this is actually a software issue?06:52
DarthFrogBrend: Try a dist-upgrade.   Is it a cheapass box?06:52
BrendNo, it's a brand new IBM server :)06:52
mario8723I would call IBM06:52
meldroczenrox - good idea...06:52
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crimsunBrend: if you could locate ksymoops info in /var/log/syslog, that would help immensely06:53
BrendOn the other hand, I've never seen any kind of linux box freeze up completely and silently, except when hardware died06:53
zenroxmeldroc, do a sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop06:53
zenroxonce you log out06:53
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mario8723Anybody have an idea about the gnome-2.10 issue?06:53
DarthFrogBrend: Oh, IBM.  Hmm, if I were you, I'd put on a distro that IBM officially supports first,06:53
Brendcrimsun, grep says no ksymoops in /var/log/syslog06:53
crimsunBrend: have you run memtest86+ ?06:53
membreyaalka_trash: the 7129 drivers?06:53
alka_trashmembreya: yeah06:54
crimsunBrend: grep for EIP06:54
DarthFrogBrend:  Cuz if you tell them Ubuntu, they might well say, Sorry.06:54
meldroci know06:54
membreyarunning them without a problem06:54
Brendcrimsun, also no06:54
zenroxsame here06:54
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crimsunBrend: ok, then I would run memtest86+ on it06:54
BrendAlright, I'll give that a try06:54
zenroxmembreya,  x loads faster with the 7176 drivers06:54
DarthFrogBrend: The memtest suggestion is a very good one.06:54
tritiumit can take some time, of course06:54
mario8723what's up membreya06:55
membreyamario8723, just having fun reinstalling everything :\06:55
mario8723hee hee06:55
CompotatoJHow do I get flash working for 64-bit ubuntu06:55
mario8723I'm going to install ati drivers myself in a few minutes06:55
mario8723Just waiting for a print job to finish06:56
meldrocdid macromedia bother to port flash to amd64?06:56
mario8723compotatoJ: have you tried apt-get install flashplayer?06:56
da_bon_bonCompotatoJ: google. macromedia site has a installer06:56
izm99hey all!  I tried out the Ubuntu Live CD, earlier today.  Wrote about problems I encountered, etc.  If you're bored, you can read what I wrote on my blog.  http://www.stevenbrown.ca/blog/archives/64  I'd like to be sure information is correct.  :)06:58
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crimsunizm99: it's actually fairly useful to post to ubuntu-users, too06:59
izm99crimsun, oh.  ok.  Is this mostly devs?06:59
CompotatoJI am running a 64-bit system mario8723, da_bon_bon06:59
crimsunno, this channel is the general support channel. Everyone's welcome. :-)06:59
da_bon_bonCompotatoJ: how does that change anything ?07:00
CompotatoJmario8723, yes, it didnt find anything07:00
izm99awesome. :)07:00
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CompotatoJda_bon_bon, macromedia says that they havent made one for x86)6407:00
bjx0Need help choosing a distro for your exact needs? Join #distro-choosing07:00
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tritiumizm99, for mp3, you need gstreamer0.8-mad07:02
DarthFrogizm99: Looks like a realistic experience.07:02
izm99tritium, oh ok.  and that isn't already installed in the Live-CD version?07:03
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tritiumizm99, I don't believe so07:03
mario8723Anybody know anything about the new gnome update?07:03
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DarthFrogizm99: Burrard and Nelson, eh?  :-)  I'm in Burnaby.07:04
izm99DarthFrog, really?  hah.07:04
BurgundaviaDarthFrog, izm99: Victoria07:04
DarthFrogizm99: Do you know about VanLUG?07:04
DarthFrogBurgundavia: OK, you host a get-together. :-)07:05
izm99DarthFrog, I went for my first time, last time.07:05
DarthFrogizm99: Was that the one where I had brought a bunch of Ubuntu CDs for distribution?07:06
Burgundaviayou guys every make it over to VLUG? 2nd tuesday of every month07:06
DarthFrogizm99: I'm getting a 100 or so from shipit, for VanLUG and FVLUG.  And anyone else who wants one.07:06
DarthFrogBurgundavia: If I'm ever in Victoria then, I'd love to attend.07:07
izm99DarthFrog, ... possibly.  I'm not sure who, (maybe you) said there were a few left.  I didn't get one.07:07
da_bon_bonDarthFrog: i am sure mako mustve contacted u07:07
Burgundaviaizm99: Victoria still has some. We can get some too you07:07
izm99Burgundavia, Victoria LUG?  No, I barely get over to the island....07:07
DarthFrogda_bon_bon: No, he hasn't.07:08
DarthFrogizm99: I still have some if you want one.07:08
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Burgundaviaright, about that distro choosing07:08
izm99Burgundavia, DarthFrog, it's not a big deal.  really.  :)  I'll pick one up at the next meeting if they're around.07:08
BurgundaviaI believe most of us have already chosen07:09
da_bon_bonDarthFrog: he wont ship so mant until u give proper reason, which u have,. so i am sure he will contact u07:09
DarthFrogizm99: If I can go, I'll bring them.07:09
DarthFrogda_bon_bon: He does the shipping?07:09
da_bon_bonDarthFrog: he manages it.07:09
izm99DarthFrog, if I can also go, cool.  :)07:09
DarthFrogda_bon_bon: Well, I'm fairly sure that distributing them to LUG members, etc. would be a legitimate reason. :-)07:10
mario8723Any gnome-heads in here?:)07:10
meldroci take it to roll my own linux drivers, I need to do a ln -s linux-headers-2.6.10-4-386 linux, correct?07:10
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meldrocnvidia drivers, i meen07:10
crimsunmeldroc: no07:10
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crimsunuse /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build07:11
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mario8723crimsun: you know anything about the new gnome?07:11
crimsunmeldroc: do not symlink07:11
meldrocfor building nvidia drivers, how do i do this?07:11
DarthFrogmeldroc: The necessary links should be set up for you when you installed the headers.07:11
crimsunmeldroc: tell the Nvidia installer to use /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build07:11
crimsunmeldroc: read the README that's distributed with the Nvidia installer07:12
crimsunmeldroc: particularly the advanced options07:12
meldrocoh, when it asks where to find the existing kernel modules07:12
crimsunmario8723: not much, why?07:12
Chipzzcrimsun: *BZZZZZZZZZZZT*07:12
Chipzzcrimsun: wrong answer. very wrong answer07:12
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meldrocwhat's the correct answer?07:13
Chipzzcrimsun: the right answer is: apt-get install nvidia-kernel-sources07:13
mario8723crimsun: Just wondering if maybe I did something wrong. Updated to 2.10 via synaptic but not seeing anything different07:13
meldrocthat doesn't have the new drivers.  the 6629 drivers currently in ubuntu are broken for me.07:13
mario8723crimsun: no new themes, icons etc...no new menus07:13
Chipzzdebian and ubuntu provide an INTEGRATED way of building nvidia drivers - use it07:13
meldroci would if it worked. >_<07:14
tritiumChipzz, he's aware of that.  He's helping someone try the new nvidia drivers.07:14
geneo93mario8723:  did restart gnome07:14
Chipzztritium: in that case, using nvidia-kernel-source is STILL the right answer07:14
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tritiumChipzz, no, newer drivers not yet packaged07:14
mario8723geneo93:I've rebooted several times since installing it, yes07:15
meldrocthe 6629 drivers are already installed on my system, but they're breaking in exactly the same way they broke on another machine - where I reverted to 6111 drivers to get things working again.07:15
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Chipzztritium: how about "overwrite the drivers you unpacked from nvidia-kernel-sources with the one from teh drivers, not overwriting the debian dir"?07:15
tritiumChipzz, i.e., Version > 662907:15
Burgundaviamario8723: most of the changes were already in hoary07:16
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geneo93geez i've has the 6629 drivers for some time and had no problems07:16
Burgundaviamario8723: If you installed warty, then changed to hoary, you would see the difference07:16
Chipzztritium: no, really. why break your package management system with the nvidia installer when debian and ubuntu offer you the perfect solution?07:16
mario8723burgundavia: true, but from what I read on the gnome site there should have been a few themes, menus installed that would have been different?07:16
Burgundaviamario8723: http://www.gnomejournal.org/article/17/gnome-210-desktop-and-development-platform07:16
tritiumChipzz, the drivers don't work for meldroc.  Ask him07:17
mario8723burgundavia: I've only had Hoary-no Warty07:17
meldrocthey have problems with older nvidia cards, i think.  i have a POS geforce4 mx440 in my system - it's a loaner since my good card went south and is being RMA'd07:17
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Burgundaviamario8723: then the new menus are already in07:17
caliberi love my 6800GT OC07:17
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Burgundaviamario8723: recently you were running 2.9, th development platform for 2.10.07:17
st3v3nanyone suggest an easy method to update gnome on ubuntu?07:17
Chipzztritium: like I said, overwrite the c source from nvidia-kernel-source with the c source from the newer drivers, add an entry to the changelog, and build new drivers....07:17
meldrocbbl, going to thrash my nvidia drivers.07:17
tritiumChipzz, I too only use the nvidia .debs, but meldroc is trying another approach, which he is free to do07:17
Burgundaviast3v3n: just upgrade, it will come07:17
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st3v3nso just download the latest ubuntu iso? :P07:18
mario8723burgundavia:I only downloaded Hoary about 2 weeks ago07:18
tritiumChipzz, I'm not sure why you're try to convince _me_07:18
mario8723I believe I had 2.8...07:18
Burgundaviamario8723: no, yes were running 2.907:19
Chipzztritium: the correct answer is a) update nvidia-kernel-sources yourself if you know how or b) stick with your current drivers and wait till the package is updated07:19
Burgundaviamario8723: make that: n, you were running 2.907:19
tritiumChipzz, I'm not the one trying to do it...07:19
Burgundaviamario8723: much like when hoary releases you won't see a whole host of new features, as they are already being tested in hoary07:19
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tritiumChipzz, furthermore, meldroc is free to do it however he wants to.  We don't enforce our will on others here.07:20
da_bon_bonanyone got festival-gaim working on hoary ?07:20
Chipzztritium: screwing with teh package management system is asking for trouble and making sure this same person will be here again in the future asking why his drivers are broken...07:20
tritiumChipzz, I'm not even the one helping him.  Why do you persist?07:20
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[FiDO] does anyone know what the deal is with the nautilus-media package in hoary07:21
helio7I Cannot figure out which PPC kernel to choose for this blue imac 333; I'm scouring the wiki and forums and coming up empty... choices pasted HERE http://pastebin.ca/7392 !07:21
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[FiDO] I can't update gnome-desktop-environment because of it07:22
crbHello all07:22
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crbI read that kickstart support in Ubuntu was 'preliminary'07:23
crbhas it improved for the 5.04 preview release?07:23
da_bon_bonhey, anyone uses giam-festival ? it needs libtoolize and where do i find it? !07:25
crimsunda_bon_bon: in the 'libtool' package.07:25
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da_bon_boncrimsun: thanks a ton07:26
crimsunda_bon_bon: np. Please use http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/07:26
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helio7What is the difference between powerpc, power3 and power4 kernels does anyone know?07:26
meldroci'm back.  the new nvidia drivers work fine! :)07:27
HiddenWolfhelio: optimised for the different processors07:27
da_bon_boncrimsun: oh, i didnt realize there already was a package07:27
tritiummeldroc, congratulations :)07:27
meldroctoo bad they're not getting into hoary.07:27
da_bon_boncrimsun: oh, sorry, ok. thanks for that link to07:28
zenroxmeldroc,  i agree07:29
BrendHello, me again. memtest86+ finished it's first pass clean. It's doing another pass but I have a hunch it's all clean07:29
BrendI'm wondering if the (crappy, disabled-in-bios) raid card is responsible :)07:29
zenroxmeldroc, my x loaded faster just cause i use a pci ver of fx5200 128mb ddr (but the fixes included inproved pci preformance)07:30
meldrocany way i could talk someone in charge into reconsidering?  I'm sorry but the 6629 version of the nvidia drivers have a lot of problems.  I know I'm not the only one who's complained about them breaking things.07:30
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TQuidHiya folks.07:30
tritiummeldroc, unlikely07:30
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tritiumIn order to release, you have to have a feature freeze to let things stabilize07:30
TQuidSo, everything is working since my install Friday except for sound.  It's an old Portege 7200 laptop, and it's got a Maestro soundcard, with ALSA seems to have identified correctly.  It plays sounds but they sound sort of sickly and slow, like the playback rate is wrong or something.07:31
meldrocnow i have to remember which deb packages will break my nvidia drivers and force me to rebuild them every time they get upgraded.  Anything kernel related, along with anything X related or glx related.07:31
tritiummeldroc, that's because you've custom installed07:32
meldrocnot out of choice07:32
TQuidAny clues on that?07:32
tritiummeldroc, I'm just saying, that's the reason.07:32
meldrocyep, I know07:33
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meldrochow hard is it to make .debs out of the nvidia drivers?  maybe i could roll my own debs07:33
zenroxmeldroc,  shuldent be to hard07:34
tritiummeldroc, fairly easy.07:34
meldrochmm...  maybe a project for another day - making debs of the 7167 nvidia drivers.07:34
da_bon_boncrimsun: now it asks for aclocal ? and i cant find it. what do i do ?07:35
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meldrocbbl, right now i'm gonna install some games. B)07:36
tritiummeldroc, if you want to, I can help you with the .debs07:37
meldrocmaybe tomorrow.07:37
da_bon_bonhey, which package contains aclocal ?07:37
meldroccatch ya later, thanks for the help. B)07:38
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tritiumsee you meldroc07:38
DarthFrogWhat is the difference between multiverse and universe?07:39
crimsunda_bon_bon: install automake07:39
BurgundaviaDarthFrog: universe is all the stuff that is free about they don't support07:39
da_bon_boncrimsun: thanks again :)07:39
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BurgundaviaDarthFrog: multiverse is stuff with legal issues07:40
crimsunda_bon_bon: please use the url I gave you to search for the package containing $foo07:40
DarthFrogBurgundavia: Tnx.07:40
tritiumDarthFrog, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view07:40
da_bon_boncrimsun: i couldnt find it07:40
DarthFrogtritium: Tnx.07:40
crimsunda_bon_bon: http://higgs.djpig.de/cgi-ubuntu//search_contents.pl?version=hoary&arch=i386&case=insensitive&word=aclocal&searchmode=searchword07:41
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crimsunda_bon_bon: not sure how you couldn't find anything ;-)07:41
da_bon_boncrimsun: my bad :)07:43
TQuid*hrm* any general hints on diagnosing sound problems beyond the basic "I don't hear anything"?  google is not giving me much here.07:44
honethis is bugging me out man07:45
honeI don't understand my proc isn't speedstepping right07:45
honeit maxes out @ 1ghz as opposed to 1.507:45
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eyequeueTQuid:  dmesg | less, see if your heardware is found.  look in a mixer to see things are set appropriately (top bar in warty)07:46
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gabaugmy hoary keeps freezing up very few seconds, mouse, sound, display all affected07:47
santiagoI'm trying to upgrade to hoary but the list of packages is not updated successfully07:48
gabaugsantiago: what error do you get?07:48
factotumfrom what im reading, i should be glad im sticking with warty for now LOL07:48
santiagosynaptic or apt-get doesn't upgrade any package because it can find a new version07:48
TQuideyequeue, all over the mixer action, alsa seems to have identified the card properly.  I un-muted several things to no effect (& again, I am getting weirdly garbled, quiet sound, not no sound at all).07:48
Zotnixapt-get -f install07:48
ZotnixThen see if it works again07:49
TQuidThe system beep sounds fine fwiw.07:49
eyequeueTQuid:  beyond me, i ws just tossing out some starting points07:49
santiagogabaug, but, they can find and install new packages07:49
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gabaugsantiago: did you try Zotnix's suggestion to apt-ge t-f install?07:50
santiagogabaug, yes07:50
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gabaugTQuid: you've got your speakers plugged into your speaker jack and not your mic jack? :)07:51
TQuidThanks eyequeue, I was backing up since my highly specific query was greeted with staggering silence.  :)07:51
TQuidgabaug, laptop.  Laptop, man.07:51
gabaugTQuid: eh? I've got a mic jack on my laptop..07:51
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TQuidI'm just using the built-in speakers.07:51
gabaugTQuid: ah07:51
santiagoapt-get -f install doesn't fix any broken package07:51
gabaugsantiago: you've changed all instances of "warty" to "hoary" in /etc/apt/sources.list07:52
santiagodoesn't find any broken package07:52
santiagogabaug, yes:07:53
santiagodeb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted07:53
santiagodeb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary universe multiverse07:53
gabaugsantiago: and it's failing on apt-get update?07:53
santiagogabaug, mmm, i think that i know where is the problem07:53
alakdancan someone help me out understand update-rc.d ? I have installed jabber , what Im trying to do is when the system starts up jabber is disabled (i just want to manually start it when needed). I have tried the following update-rc.d -f jabber stop 20 1 2 3 4 5 .  but Im getting "System startup links for /etc/init.d/jabber already exist."07:53
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TQuidOK, thanks folks, I'm for bed.07:54
santiagogabaug, no, apt-get update downloads the lists well, but apt-get can find new versions07:54
gabaugsantiago: so when you do apt-get -y dist-upgrade it says there's nothing to be done?07:54
santiagogabaug, I found the problem07:55
santiagogabaug, I didn't remember that I had a /etc/apt/preferences file, hoary had a very low priority07:56
alakdananyone here used update-rc.d ?07:56
santiagoalakdan, what do you need?07:56
tritium-y is rather dangerous with dist-upgrade07:56
alakdansantiago: just disable the jabber services on all run levels (I'll just start it manually)07:56
tritiumgood night everyone07:57
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gabaugsantiago: cool07:58
santiagoalakdan, update-rc.d jabber stop 1 2 3 4 5 .07:58
delltonyquestion if your laptop battery ran out causing your system to reboot hard, and in reisfer (spelling file system) it says Filesystem NOT clean how do you make it clean again?07:58
santiagogabaug, yep, Now I can go to sleep :)07:59
DarthFrogdelltony: Just let it finish booting.07:59
delltonydone that several times07:59
alakdansantiago: when I did that I get "System startup links for /etc/init.d/jabber already exist."07:59
delltonyand every time i shutdown now -r or whatever it still says not clean07:59
DarthFrogdelltony: try fsck.reiserfs then.08:00
DarthFrogOr fsck.reiser4 if you're using ReiserFS 4.08:00
delltonyand the exact command is?08:00
santiagoalakdan, verify that there aren't /etc/rc*.d/S??jabber08:01
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DarthFrogfsck.reiserfs /dev/(partition number)08:01
santiagoalakdan, ls -l /etc/rc*.d/*jabber08:01
delltonyPartition /dev/hda1 is mounted with write permissions, cannot check it08:01
DarthFrogTry it from the live CD.08:01
delltonyhmm ok08:02
alakdansantiago: there are symlinks there. Can I just remove them manually, or is there an easy way?08:02
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santiagoalakdan, you don't need to remove them, just use invoke-rc.d to turn into K20jabber symliks08:03
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alakdansantiago: how do I do that then?08:03
santiagoalakdan, if you want to remove them anyway, use invoke-rc.d remove jabber08:03
santiagoalakdan, with the command that i send you before08:04
santiagobye #ubuntu08:04
santiagohave a good night08:04
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alakdansantiago: ok thanks :)08:04
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julzhowdy, i installed ubuntu on my old box and it boots fine but the mouse will not work. any idea what to do?08:09
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DarthFrogjulz: Use a PS/2 or USB mouse.08:09
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julzsweet. thanks a lot08:10
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faustushowdy all08:12
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GNAMwhat's your favourite bug in hoary preview?08:13
delltonyok just incase others wonder instead of having to do the live cd fsck you can do touch /forcefsck and reboot and it forces it to check or you can do shutdown now -F08:13
faustusis the XORg/ nvidia work onging towards official hoary release?08:14
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delltonyspeaking of xorg and hoary are they ever gonna fix the bug in the xorg-fglrx that was reported at the beginning of hoary development where the thing generated a xfree86config4 file instead of xorg.conf ?08:15
GNAMnvidia support in hoary preview is broken?08:15
Hmmmmcan someone pls lead me to some good ubuntu repositories?08:15
fabbioneno. please update to the latest -27 kernel08:15
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fabbionepreview = ok08:16
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Jeezisi'm having problems getting software updates to download and install08:16
delltonywell whats the deal with the ati driver? it appears to still be borked or is it me?08:16
danielsdelltony: how could I possibly fix it without the source from ATI?08:16
delltonydidn't say you could :P08:16
danielsthis is the downside of binary drivers.  you just get to wait for ATI or nVidia or whoever to fix it for you.08:17
DarthFrogdelltony: Did it fix your problem?08:17
delltonyyeah it did08:17
DarthFrogGood. :-)08:17
delltonybut the thing i was talking about is making the xorg file from fglrxconf is all daniels08:18
delltonyit makes a xfree86 file instead08:18
delltonythe driver itself works08:18
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honeyou know what's really weird?08:19
delltonysee daniels the driver you can download from ati makes the xorg.conf and all but here is the catch if you install it then when you go to upgrade and so forth you get errors out the butt cause of metacity08:20
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netmonkcan someone point me to understandable guide about how to transfer internet trafic from eth0 to eth1? i'm trying to use ubuntu also as a router.08:25
Hmmmmnetmonk, "man iptables"08:26
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netmonkthanks, Hmmmm. I give it a try. it looks way over my head. ;) by the way, if I make a script where do I have to put a line in order to start every time the pc starts?08:30
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meldrochello again.  got another problem...  I just installed foobillard, which in theory should give me sound with SDL, but its sound isn't working.  Other sound is working (like KDE's system sounds).08:31
Hmmmmnetmonk, put it in /etc/rc.d/08:32
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meldrocany ideas?08:33
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netmonkHmmmm, i have rc0.d, rc1.d and so on but no rc.d08:34
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sonojackerHello Ubuntu community.08:35
sonojackerDo anyone know about any network adpater's problem at Hoary latest updates?08:36
Hmmmmput in in rc0.d08:36
sonojackerHmmmm, was that for me friend?08:37
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elixirhi, i've got a question? what should I do?08:38
fabbioneask it perhaps? ;)08:38
elixirI would like to run a command at startup (without creating a daemon). Is that possible?08:39
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eyequeueman update-rc.d elixir08:39
Hmmmmsonojacker, it was for netmonk08:40
elixirbut update-rc.d is used to configure daemons....08:40
fabbioneelixir: not only08:40
elixirI just wanna run a simple command08:40
sonojackerHmmmm: I see.08:40
eyequeueelixir:  among other things08:40
fabbioneupdate-rc.d is used to execute a script08:40
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fabbionethe script has to be in /etc/init.d/08:40
elixirooops... ok, then... I'll read more.. thanks08:40
fabbioneupdate-rc.d will create the proper symlinks to call the script with the correct arguments08:41
sonojacker(footnote: install rcconf to quickly modify the rc0.d dir)08:41
fabbionebut it's up to the script to use them or not08:41
fabbionejust be careful to play with that stuff08:41
fabbioneyou might end up not being able to boot the entire system08:41
eyequeuefabbione:  ??08:42
elixiryeah thanks... but that means I would have to create an script... am I wrong?08:42
fabbioneelixir: clearly you need the script first08:42
Hmmmmanyone knows of some good ubuntu repositories?08:42
eyequeueelixir:  correct08:42
fabbioneeyequeue: if you loop in the script in an unbreakable way you might hang there forever08:42
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fabbioneeyequeue: or remove some symlinks or stuff like that08:42
elixirbut... Is there any file where I can place just a the command?08:42
eyequeueelixir:  the man page will point you to an example, iirc08:42
sonojackeranyone knows about troubles with recent ubuntu updates and network configurations?08:42
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eyequeuefabbione:  ^C works08:43
fabbioneeyequeue: not always08:43
elixirI remember there was /etc/conf.d/local.start in Gentoo08:43
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eyequeueelixir:  this is not gentoo, there is no such in ubuntu08:43
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eyequeueubuntu is based on debian08:44
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elixirok, that answered my question... thanks...08:44
elixirI'll crreate the script hen...08:44
streetbmxis there a diff between vmlinuz and bzImage?08:44
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meldrocnite all08:46
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sonojackerPeople.  I am having problems for networking after some hoary updates.08:59
sonojackerI cannot get network access.  Pinging my router's address without success.08:59
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GNAMhi all09:00
sonojackerThe same machine worked at Warty09:00
GNAMwhere can i find most important bugs of hoary preview?09:00
airoxsonojacker: Got the interface in the state up ?09:01
airoxifconfig ethX up ?09:01
sonojackerairox: yes09:01
airoxYou are shure it has the right ip address bound to the interface and the right netmask09:01
navreethow can I let a chroot environment open up a window in X?09:01
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sonojackerthe right netmask and ip address09:02
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airoxsonojacker: Do you have some firewall enabled ?09:02
sonojackerin fact09:02
airox(try doing iptables -L )09:02
sonojackerairox: Oh! interesting... I am on it09:03
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odie5533Why does Ubuntu use gnome over kde?09:07
sonojackerairox: Done.  Without success.  Now I am not using DHCP. And pinging the host is still not working.09:07
airoxDoes the host allow ping ?09:08
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sonojackersorry I meant I was pinging the router.09:08
airoxSame question then.09:08
sonojackerand other locations inside the net09:08
sonojackerthis happened after updateing hoary09:09
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sonojackeris so interesting, since this same thing happens to my wifi adapter here09:09
airoxdhclient ethX works ?09:09
sonojackerit happened as well after updating something at hoary09:09
sonojackerno it does not09:09
airoxSo, are you getting a dhcp lease ?09:09
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airoxTry doing this: arp <ip_of_router>09:10
sonojackerairox: thx, I am on it now09:11
airoxsonojacker: Which NIC do you havE ?09:12
sonojackerno entry it says09:13
sonojackerit is a Davicom Semiconductor Inc. 21x4x DEC-Tulip compatible Eth09:13
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sonojackerairox: connection was working perfectly at warty.  But as upgrades had been so stable, I didnt' care much about auditing what was upgraded or configuration overwritten.09:15
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crschmidtTotally new to Debian and ubuntu. Trying to install a mysql server... but apt-cache search mysql doesn't seem to list a server?09:17
sonojackerairox: I installed warty's cd, changed immediately all my sources to hoary, and apt-get upgraded.09:17
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BrendIt's called mysql-server I think, but you might have to turn on "universe" or even "multiverse" in /etc/apt/sources.list09:17
crschmidtHow do I rebuild the apt driectory?09:18
crschmidt(After changing my sources list)09:19
eyequeueapt-get update09:19
eyequeuesudo apt-get update09:19
crschmidtdeb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe09:20
airoxsonojacker: I guess it should not change your networking environment :(09:20
crschmidtis that the right line for universe?09:20
sonojackerairox: i see.  Do you have any idea airox; could that be a hoary related issue indeed?09:22
airoxCould be.09:22
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airoxsonojacker: Physically all is Ok ?09:22
airoxCan you ping the interface's adress ?09:23
sonojackerairox: definetely. Everything ok09:23
sonojackerno, no answer09:23
sonojackerand is so curious09:23
sonojackersince gnome's network monitor, shows me constant packets in and out09:23
Quarupti downloaded a full album, but its one mp3, what program can i use to split it up into seperate MP3's for each song?09:24
sonojackerbut i can't ping...09:24
airoxsonojacker: What does ifconfig show09:25
sonojackerairox: this same is happening to my laptop's wifi adapter after upgrading to hoary09:25
deFrysk grip sound juicer09:25
Quaruptgrip sound juicer?09:25
sonojackerifconfig shows a dead adapter:09:25
deFryskQuarupt, sorry misread your question09:25
sonojackerLink encap: ethernet HWaddr 00:08:A1:33 etc...09:26
airoxsonojacker: It has a ip also ?09:26
sonojackerinet6 addr: fe80::208: etc.  Scope:link09:26
sonojackerbut no inet address09:26
sonojackerreally airox, I am so dazzled09:27
airoxsonojacker: You should give the interface an inet address09:27
sonojackerI am on it ifconfig eth0
airoxifconfig eth0 up netmask <netmask>09:28
sonojackerOK, there we are netmask
sonojackerlet's ping the router at
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sonojackerinteresting... Host is unreachable, but the ethernet lights are flashing09:30
sonojackerat every request09:30
membreyadoes it really say <netmask> in your ifconfig sonojacker ?09:30
sonojackerlet me check09:31
dwa_does anybody own a toshiba 490xcdt in here?09:32
sonojackeryes it does: Mask:
membreyacan you ping your gateway?09:32
sonojackerno membreya, I can't after hoary upgrade09:33
sonojackerand it is not a problem in my network, since this computer is connected to the same router09:34
crschmidthow can I install qmail?09:35
sonojackerwith an ethernet NIC.09:35
sonojackerI read comments of people having this same problem after hoary.09:35
airoxcrschmidt: apt-cache search qmail; apt-get install qmail(?);09:36
crschmidtE: Package qmail has no installation candidate09:36
crschmidtI have multiverse. I think.09:36
crschmidtdeb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe multiverse09:36
membreyacrschmidt, sudo apt-get source --compile qmail09:37
membreyago there and get the source09:38
crschmidtI'd need gcc to get the source, eh? :)09:38
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membreyasudo apt-get install build-essential crschmidt09:39
sonojackerso airox, membreya, is there a way I can't open or follow a bug for ubuntu developers with this few precise information?09:39
sonojackers /can't/ can09:39
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airoxsonojacker: First check if the problem is ubuntu related.09:41
airoxGtg now, work :(09:42
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airoxGood luck sonojacker !09:43
sonojackerairox: thanx so much09:43
sonojackerairox: for your patience and time.  r u an ubuntu developer?09:43
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airoxNo, I'm just a student who has nothing to do :)09:44
crschmidtThank god for those.09:44
crschmidtWithout a bunch of students with nothing to do, where would Linux be today?09:44
membreyacommercially viable? :P09:44
sonojackerairox and membreya: unfortunately my problem is ubuntu-hoary related. Adapter worked in Fedora, Warty, it works in the winsucks dual booting, but not in Hoary09:44
airoxSomebody should slap membreya.09:45
membreyaim just bitter because convertfs killed a month of configuring my pc09:45
crschmidtmembreya: Hah! Like commercial viability ever got anyone anywhere! Look at Bill Gate... oh. Right.09:45
membreyaand then I copied the old /home directory..but it didn't grab my emails :|09:45
membreyahahaha crschmidt :P09:45
airoxWell, bye bye for now :)09:46
sonojackerairox: bye and thx once again09:46
membreyaenjoy your 30 minute work day airox :P09:46
airoxmembreya: I don't have 30 minutes working days ....09:46
airoxMore like 10 hours....09:46
airoxSome students try to do some extra work ;)09:47
crschmidtinstalled postfix.09:47
crschmidtcan send mail to crschmidt@localhost...09:47
crschmidtbut not crschmidt@crschmidt.net09:47
MemnocHhey people, made a nice mistake, how do i reset my rootpasswrd on a clean install :(09:47
crschmidtMemnocH: if you're me, you just reinstall09:48
wezzer-yea, rm -rf /09:48
MemnocHI know its the easy option...09:48
MemnocHsuppose this means ill eat dinner then09:48
jesus_boot with cd as root, chroot, change pass09:49
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MemnocHAlso X fails to startup, very crappy errors,09:49
MemnocHpci-e gf6600gt, known issues at all?09:49
membreyaMemnocH: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29347709:50
membreyafind the part about ubuntu09:51
sonojackerok guys.. time to pray to the god of all kernel modules... I will reboot after a set of hoary updates... hope to be back somehow... :-O09:51
xamdmMemnocH, ther are problems with nvidia-drivers and pciecards, try the new driver from nvidia09:51
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xamdmMemnocH, ore try using the vesa-drivers (no 3D)09:51
membreyathat will tell you how to reset the password09:51
MemnocHmembreya: thanks09:52
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sonojackerthose updates by the way, were solely fglrx updates... ati stuff... geezz here I go09:52
AndyRlo all09:52
MemnocHxamdm: ill try that shortly09:52
MemnocHis there program to config xfree?09:52
MemnocHwith a console interface?09:52
xamdmMemnocH, if so, dont't install restricted modules nvidia-glx..., only the nvidia-driver ..09:52
MemnocHI havnt installed nvidia yet09:53
MemnocHit was from a fresh install09:53
AndyRmembreya, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree8609:53
MemnocHamd64 base09:53
membreyanot me AndyR ...but thanks :P09:53
Hmmmmcan someone be kind enough to suggest some good warty reopositories to me?09:53
AndyRlol, sorry09:53
MemnocHAndyR: think that ones for me09:53
xamdmMemnocH, then try only the vesa driver 1st, the nv-driver from xfree/xorg doesn't support gf6600 6800 GPU's09:54
AndyRMemnocH, yes09:54
MemnocHok, should I try the nvidia drivers?09:54
xamdmMemnocH, yes09:54
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xamdmMemnocH, but X will fail after installation09:54
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_axelhmm, i finally managed to get nvidia working with hoary -- no big deal after all!09:55
xamdmMemnocH, i never have X after freshinstall, to new hardware ;-)09:55
MemnocHok, so let it fail then install nvidia drivers, hopefully it will do its kernel stuff, and all work ok?09:55
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MemnocHnew to linux on a desktop09:56
MemnocHthanks for the forthcomming help guys09:56
membreyanp MemnocH ...part of what makes ubuntu great :)09:56
MemnocHnice to actualy get pointers and answers to questions on irc :09:56
xamdmhow can a build a ubuntu-package with the new Nvidia-drivers ??, is there a howto available ??09:57
MemnocHxamdm: I need that too :)09:57
AndyRmy main box running hoary is back on nv xserver like everyone else i would think, but also sons box running warty with nvidia xserver keeps crashing too09:57
_axelxamdm: you can rebuild nvidia-kernel-source from the sid package09:57
DrecoZAI have an HP Laserjet running on a networked Windows XP machine, the printer has been installed on Ubuntu however when I print to it, I get the following error: Printing: Network host '' is busy; will retry in 30 seconds...09:57
_axelxamdm: using kernel-package09:58
xamdm_axel is this 7167 ??09:58
_axelxamdm: yup09:58
_axelxamdm: running satisfactorily here for 2 days09:58
xamdmhopes that drivers fix my problems on Notebook with gf FX520009:59
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AndyRDrecoZA, do you need to pass username/password to printy?09:59
[CX] -sw0rdsavycan someone help me.  Version of libglib2.0-0 on system is 2.4.7-0ubuntu2.10:00
[CX] -sw0rdsavy nessus depends on libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.6.0); however:10:00
[CX] -sw0rdsavyi want to upgrade all of this10:00
[CX] -sw0rdsavyhow can i do that10:00
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xamdm_axel, wont this depen on a kernel-image-xx instead of linux-image-xx ??, have this problem with bcm570010:00
DrecoZAHi AndyR no not needed10:01
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[CX] -sw0rdsavyguys im on the stable version of ubuntu10:01
[CX] -sw0rdsavyhow can i upgrade things like libglib and libgtk10:01
xamdm_axel how did jou get the nvidia-glx package to work ??, sid still uses xfree instead of xorg10:01
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AndyR[CX] -sw0rdsavy, upgrade to hoary?10:03
MemnocHis x.org much better than xfree10:03
AndyRMemnocH, seems to be here10:03
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[CX] -sw0rdsavyandr, can i do this without loosing my home dir10:04
xamdmMemnocH, just a few new features ..10:04
AndyR[CX] -sw0rdsavy, yes10:04
[CX] -sw0rdsavyAndyR, can i upgrade to debian without loosing my home dir10:05
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AndyR[CX] -sw0rdsavy, not sure, ive not done it10:06
AndyRis /home on a different partition?10:06
[CX] -sw0rdsavyno10:06
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MemnocHAny one running amd64 version? Or know of any issues I might have getting gnome up and running?10:06
[CX] -sw0rdsavycan yall list the pros and cons of debian/ horay10:07
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membreyagrrrr...the .run for the nvidia drivers won't install >:(10:09
MyNameIsChrisWhenever I boot my Warty system, if I have my sd card in my reader my ps2 ports fail to work. Otherwise the card reader works fine once booted10:09
MyNameIsChris/proc/version = Linux version (buildd@terranova) (gcc version 3.3.4 (Debian 1:3.3.4-9ubuntu5)) #1 SMP Sat Feb 12 01:22:34 UTC 200510:09
membreyasmp? lucky bugger10:10
MyNameIsChrisHt P410:10
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MemnocHhttp://www.ubuntuguide.org <- holly crap, one of the best guide pages ive ever seen!10:10
membreyasomeone able to help with why I can't install the nvidia drivers from the .run10:11
membreyait complains that it can't locate the kernel source10:11
MyNameIsChrisMemnocH, perhaps that is why it is always recommended in this channel10:11
membreyaMemnocH, ...it's good but it's for warty :|10:11
MyNameIsChrisAnd Warty is good10:11
membreyahoary ;)10:11
MemnocHive only got the 4.10 disc here so its ideal for me :)10:12
membreyadownload MemnocH ..takes all of 10 minutes :)10:12
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MemnocHcan a warty be updated to latest easly?10:12
gustav_membreya: I've tried too install from nvidias .run file but never succeded. But you can use the restricted modules package and nvidia-glx.10:13
MemnocHI cant burn cd's atm10:13
membreyagustav_: i succeeded on my last install of ubuntu, but convertfs destroyed that10:13
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gustav_membreya: But instead of the .run file you can install the restricted modules package and nvidia-glx package with apt-get. It works for me10:15
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gustav_membreya: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver10:17
MyNameIsChrisSo, no one knows why I cannot boot my system to a workable state when I have my card in the reader?10:17
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scizzoMyNameIsChris: what card in what reader?10:18
MemnocHwhen i attempt to run a apt-get update etc or install, im loged in with my account I created at install time, it asks for a password, I use my own account password dont I? because root is off by default?10:19
_axelMemnocH: root _login_ is off by default ;)10:19
scizzoMemnocH: yes10:19
scizzoMemnocH: sudo apt-get update10:19
MyNameIsChrisWhen my sd card is in my reader as I boot I get to the welcome screen but my ps2 ports don't work and I am forced to reset. If it is out of the reader it boots fine. DSE card, Sandisk reader10:19
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membreyagustav_, the binary only allows for linux 2.6.10-410:20
membreyaI'm running 2.6.1110:20
MyNameIsChrisOnce booted I stick it in and it mounts it, everyone is happy10:21
MyNameIsChrisI am happy with 2.6.810:21
[CX] -sw0rdsavycan someone help me decide which distro to use10:22
MemnocHany one running transgaming or wineX and has games working mostly ok?10:22
[CX] -sw0rdsavythe newer horay or sarge debian?10:22
[CX] -sw0rdsavy:(10:22
scizzo[CX] -sw0rdsavy: that is up to you10:22
Chipzzwhat most people here appear to forget is that you can do sudo su =10:23
scizzo[CX] -sw0rdsavy: hoary will be released as stable soon enough and I am using it on one of the servers + 2 workstations10:23
AndyR[CX] -sw0rdsavy, only you can deside10:23
Chipzzsudo su - even10:23
[CX] -sw0rdsavyi mean i like ubuntu but debian seems to have more up to date .debs10:23
_axelMemnocH: i have had success with warcraft3 and call of duty with winex10:23
scizzoChipzz: sudo -s -H works also10:23
membreyawas just about to mention that scizzo :P10:24
Chipzznever used those options10:24
AndyR[CX] -sw0rdsavy, personally i would install hoary10:24
scizzo[CX] -sw0rdsavy: workstation I would use hoary10:24
[CX] -sw0rdsavyany reasons in pactuliar that one has that the other dosent10:24
[CX] -sw0rdsavythis will be a workstation/ server10:24
Chipzzscizzo: more difficult to remember :P10:24
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scizzoChipzz: is it? :P10:24
ChipzzIMHO it is ;)10:25
scizzoChipzz: its parameters sent to sudo...hehe... :P just as hard as su -10:25
munkianybody know a good DVD-ripper for X ?10:25
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AndyRthere seems little point in installing warty now the development has slowed10:26
AndyRon hoary i mean10:26
scizzoAndyR: Warty is stable...all development is in hoary now10:26
Chipzzscizzo: but most people allready know "su -" :)10:26
scizzoChipzz: haha10:26
Chipzzthat's something you don't have to learn again ;)10:26
AndyRscizzo, but hoary is about to go stable10:26
scizzoChipzz: 2 parameters...please.. :P10:26
scizzoAndyR: soon yes10:26
[CX] -sw0rdsavywell my only question is which one would be more sutible for a workstation/server application and why not debian or horay10:27
Chipzzscizzo: I won't remember those tomorrow :P10:27
scizzoAndyR: Warty is stable and has security updates..nothing wrong with that...10:27
membreyaafter hoary..we have grumpy :)10:27
[CX] -sw0rdsavysorry if its such a broad question10:27
jdub[CX] -sw0rdsavy: either, depends what you want.10:27
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scizzoeekk a jdub10:27
[CX] -sw0rdsavyi want the most up to date security up dates and the most packages10:27
jdub[CX] -sw0rdsavy: then choose warty.10:28
[CX] -sw0rdsavybut dose not debian have security updates10:28
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jdubthe current security supported debian release is 2 1/2 years old10:28
membreyawhatchu talkin about scizzo ?10:28
minimalhow to activate the root account in ubuntu(the default setting is disabled)10:29
scizzomembreya: ?10:29
[CX] -sw0rdsavyi'm on warty10:29
jdubminimal: www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RootSudo10:29
membreyascizzo eekk a jdub10:29
Chipzzjdub: sarge has security updates since a few months IIRC too10:29
minimaljdub: thanks :)10:29
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jdubminimal: wouldn't recommend doing it unless you have a very specific reason to, however10:29
jdubChipzz: and is still not stable/released10:29
scizzomembreya: yes... "eek! = a small scream" "a jdub = a person that I have seen around a lot"10:29
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Chipzzjdub: but it is close... or so people keep telling me ;)10:30
membreyajdub is somewhat of a fixture in this room :P10:30
membreyaChipzz: is that like Microsoft having a secure OS "soon soon" ?10:30
scizzonot only here I have seen him10:30
jdubmembreya: no10:30
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Chipzzmore like "when hell freezes over" soon ;)10:31
Chipzzs/hell/sarge/ :P10:31
membreyaat least ubuntu has semi-fixed release dates :)10:31
membreyadanke jdub ....care to pass the ketchup? make it easier to eat my foot when I put it in my mouth :P10:32
ChipzzNero for linux is a gtk+ 1.2 app10:33
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Chipzzwhy still make a gtk+ 1.2 app now?10:33
Chipzzah well10:33
jdubit's smaller when you build your app statically10:33
Chipzzit could have been a Qt app :P10:34
Chipzzjdub: but it's linked dynamically10:34
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Chipzzthat's how I found out in the first place10:34
minimaljdub: the root account still doesn't seem to work10:34
jdubif that's the case, then they know it's going to work on more distros10:34
jdubminimal: you haven't told me what you did10:34
Chipzzjdub: I do not even have gtk+ 1.2 installed on some of my boxen10:34
Chipzzall gtk+2.010:34
jdubChipzz: you're an uncommon user10:34
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minimaljdub: sudo passwd root10:35
ChipzzI am? :P10:35
jdubminimal: and what happened?10:35
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Chipzzjdub: well, patching mplayer to use gtk+2.0 so I wouldn't have to install gtk+1.2 would classify as "unusual", I guess ;)10:35
minimaljdub: i changed the password but when i try to login as root nothing happens10:35
xamdm_axel: i have bad berformance with nvidia 7167 did jou experience the same ??10:35
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_axelxamdm: nope10:36
_axelxamdm: same as warty10:36
xamdm_axel. 20 fps less than 6629 !!10:36
_axelxamdm: i havent really put my card under stress for a while now though... got sick of Enemy Territory a couple of months ago ;)10:36
_axelxamdm: that can be caused my multiple factors10:37
xamdm_axel: testet with ut2004 and racer beta0.5.2.7910:37
gustav_minimal: you can't login as root but you can use su to swich to root10:37
xamdm_axel: only updated the driver with 6629 everything is fast10:38
minimalgustav_: ok, thx10:38
_axelxamdm: then stick to 6629 if it works better for you10:38
_axelxamdm: but im not sure it will work with kernel 2.6.1010:38
xamdm_axel, need this driver 6629 locks console on my notebook .-(10:38
rizlahi folks. does anybody knows if there is an italian irc channel about ubuntu?10:39
xamdm_axel: 6629 runs perfect on 2.6.1010:39
_axelxamdm: and you absolutely need those 20 fps? are they a frag-critical issue? ;)10:39
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xamdm_axel: running a game with 30 ore 10 fps ;-)10:39
_axelah well10:39
minimalyet, another question :) where can i get gcc for ubuntu? and how can i acces my vfat drives, it's doable from the root shell, but when i try to acces it as a normal user i'm not permitted to do so10:39
_axelxamdm: i noticed you get a noticeable boost if you change your X server bit depth from 24 to 1610:39
MyNameIsChrisminmimal: apt-get install build-essential10:40
xamdm_axel: i needn't to do so if used 6629 ..., i belive ther is something wrong ..10:40
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_axelxamdm: also try loading the nvidia_agp module which is better than agpgart i _think_10:41
xamdm_axel, maybe only use the 7167 on my notebook, and switch back to 6629 on my Computer ...10:41
MyNameIsChrisXChat has a lot of information in a /version10:41
_axelxamdm: or that ;)10:41
xamdm_axel, ill try that10:41
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popeyethesailoranyone familiar with the hotplug system10:42
xamdm_axel: how can i force the system to do so an startup ??10:42
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Chipzzhttp://chipzz.studentenweb.org/NeroLINUX.png :P10:42
__Ace__Im trying to install xemacs here, but no luck... and apparently, its not in the "Package Manager"10:42
xamdm_axel: back i a few minutes10:42
__Ace__tried to compile it, but no luck... missing libraries10:43
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MemnocHreconfiging xfree after putting nvidia drivers in, should I use frambuffer support? gf6600gt pci-e10:43
__Ace__anyone here that can tell me what to do?10:43
|QuaD-_Chipzz: do you own it?10:43
danielsMemnocH: no10:43
Chipzz|QuaD-_: no, just found a deb somewhere ;P10:45
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gustav_anyone knows how to add programs to the gnome menus in hoary?10:45
|QuaD-_Chipzz: blah10:45
MyNameIsChrisgustav_, which menu?10:46
gustav_MyNameIsChris: the program menu10:46
AndyRgustav_, when you find out pls write a howto on wiki :)10:46
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MemnocHhow do i start x now I have it config'd?10:46
MyNameIsChrisnautilus applications:///MenuName10:46
MemnocHstartx is depreciated isnt it?10:47
MyNameIsChrisnautilus applications:///System for example10:47
membreyaMemnocH: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart10:47
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membreyaMyNameIsChris that only works in warty10:47
membreyanot in hoary10:47
MemnocHhmm all scrambled10:47
xamdm_axel: nvidia_agp didn't change anything10:47
gustav_MyNameIsChris: sorry they disabled that in gnome 2.1010:47
MyNameIsChrisI assumed it would be the same10:47
Cam-ive heard about this kickstart release in Hoary, but where in where is this documentation?10:47
Cam-nothing been written yet?10:47
membreyahang on Cam-10:48
MemnocHis there a command to stop x? I cant see anything other than blocks of pixels etc10:48
MyNameIsChrisWhy would they disable it?10:48
MyNameIsChrisIt was useful10:48
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_axelxamdm: added it to /etc/modules?10:48
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Adrenali have an odd problem, regarding firefox10:48
membreyathere you go chris10:48
xamdm_axel: yes did this10:48
membreyaMemnocH, do a CTRL + ALT + BACKSPACE10:49
membreyaand Cam-10:49
Adrenalused to be, when i used the bookmarks drop down menu, and middle clicked on a folder, the contents opened in new tabs10:49
membreyahow to add menu's in hoary :)10:49
membreyaor a CTRL+ALT+F1 to exit to a terminal10:49
Adrenalthat no longer happens. In fact, middle clicking does not work at all in the drop down menu, it does on normal pages though10:49
_axelxamdm: be sure to check linux forums at nvidia.com, maybe you can find more info there... if more fps-savvy people are having issues they'll surely post in there10:49
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MemnocHnone of those work10:49
MyNameIsChrisWell I have to go now10:49
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xamdm_axel: thx, ill try that10:50
ZotnixHey jdub, nice introduction for ubuntuk :)10:50
Adrenalahahaha, in the tropics10:50
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Cam-adding menu's?10:52
MemnocHhmm on a reboot gdm auto starts now, how can I kill it, I cant get into a text console now10:52
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MemnocHctrl + alt + f1 or ctrl + alt + bkspace doesnt work10:52
ZotnixThat is supposed to work.10:53
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Zotnixto kill gdm /etc/init.d/gdm stop10:53
MemnocHcant get to console...10:53
ZotnixIt will kill X10:53
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ZotnixYou can do that in an xterm10:55
MemnocHI cant get into a console though10:55
Zotnixgranted, not a clean way to shutdown gnome.10:55
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MemnocHany other idea's?10:57
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pregohello. gnome-font-properties has a DPI box. However xdpyinfo already provides such information. I'm using my machine from different displays so I have to change the DPI setting each time I switch my display- Is there any way to make gnome-font-properties use the display information rather than the own setting?10:57
jdubnot at the moment, unfortunately10:58
pregojdub, talking to me?10:58
munkiwhere can I get the pkg transcode ?10:58
pregojdub, OK, thanks for the quick answer10:58
MemnocHctrl + alt + f1 or ctrl + alt + bkspace doesnt work after a reboot either to kill gdm10:59
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pregoThis one is harder. Is there any key to abort a X-server grab? Sometimes I hung my X-server while debugging a Motif app....11:05
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_axelwow, motif11:05
_axelthats so 199111:05
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MemnocHcan I change my run level to stop gdm loading?11:05
fade6linux newbee: need to connect ubuntu linux to internet vias isdn modem11:06
fade6anyone can help?11:06
MemnocH(does that even make sense)11:06
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ctrI have a machine I run ubuntu on as a server11:10
ctranyone got a good reason for me *not* to upgrade to hoary11:11
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_axelroot has landed!11:11
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MemnocHstill searching for a way to kill or stop gdm loading, any idea's?11:13
SeveasMemnocH, chmod -x the initscript11:13
ctrmv /etc/init.d/gdm /etc/init.d/gmd.not.here11:13
MemnocHI cant get into a console, I reboot, it loads gdm str8 up again11:14
Zotnixgnome-terminal is console.11:14
ZotnixOr xterm11:14
SeveasMemnocH, boot into rescue mode11:14
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ctrZotnix: his X is knackered11:14
AragoMemnocH, the file must be /etc/inittab11:14
ZotnixAh, okay.11:14
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MemnocHhow do i boot into rescue?11:14
Aragobut as i see it dosn't work as i expect.11:14
ctrcan't you get to lilo or grub or whatever is used and do11:15
ctrlinux init=/bin/sh ?11:15
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SeveasMemnocH, select the appropriate entry from the grub menu when booting11:15
MemnocHit auto loads11:15
MemnocHno grub11:15
nachtwindmay i interrupt you and ask a small question? Can i use an ubuntu system as Samba PDC?11:15
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SeveasPDC...? What's that..?11:16
MemnocHprimary domain controller11:16
nachtwinda primary domain controller - a samba service11:16
MemnocHshould be fine for NT411:16
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MemnocHtype of domain11:16
nachtwind2000 also?11:16
fade6linux newbee: need to connect ubuntu linux to internet vias isdn modem11:16
MemnocHcheck up on samba11:16
fade6anyone can help?11:16
nachtwindneed to set somthing up that is capable of handling 20 to 40 computers11:16
MemnocHthats what will be running it,11:16
MemnocHlast time I looked at it, it could not handle 2000 type properly11:17
nachtwindi will check (or already checked it partly) but is ubuntu able of quota usergroups and so on? I suppose it is?11:17
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nachtwind(first time running ubunto and already loving it more than other distros)11:17
MemnocHnachtwind: check out the samba pages11:18
MemnocHspecifiaclly http://us1.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/ch04.html11:18
nachtwindthank you11:19
nachtwindand one other question, i miss my HDb - isnt it mounted by default?11:20
Seveasnachtwind, just edit your fstab :)11:20
nachtwind<- linuxnewbie11:21
Seveasah :)11:21
nachtwindjust playing arround with it11:21
nachtwindlearning it for the job and for university11:21
fade6can u help me nachtwind?11:21
MemnocHok finally got into rescue mode, didnt realise it was using grub, loaded to quick for me to see11:21
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nachtwindfade6 : nope11:21
SeveasMemnocH, you can change the timeout by editing /boot/grub/menu.lst11:22
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nachtwindoh i see - no KDE at all in the APT list?11:22
nachtwindinterestering =)11:22
Seveasnachtwind, Kubuntu is under development11:22
nachtwindi read that11:23
nachtwindbut thought i could find KDE within the APT though11:23
Seveasyou can11:23
Seveasif you run hoary11:23
Seveashmm, for warty too by the way11:23
MemnocHSeveas, thx11:23
Seveasapt-cache search kde shows a lot :)11:23
nachtwindhm, not here11:24
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apokryphosnachtwind: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop11:24
Seveasnachtwind, do you have universe enabled?11:24
Seveasapokryphos, that only works with hoary11:24
apokryphosSeveas: oh; is he on warty?11:25
_axelwould be nice to have some cool ubuntu splash in grub11:25
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nachtwindiam on warty11:25
Seveasnachtwind, edit /etc/apt/sources.list11:25
apokryphosoh.. I think you can apt-get install kde-core, though you'll be running a seriously dated kde11:25
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Seveasuncomment the universe repositories11:25
Seveasif they'r not in there, i'll send you a PM with the correct lines11:25
nachtwindthey are, but the file is write protected...11:26
nachtwindcan i start the notepad in root modus without changing the user=???11:27
apokryphosyou need to be root11:27
Seveasnachtwind, see PM :)11:27
apokryphosor sudo, that is11:27
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nachtwindthank you11:28
nachtwindyoure a great help, nice support chan :)11:28
MemnocHwhich modules should I enable in xfree86 to test a bsic config?11:28
MemnocHI am using nvidia drivers11:29
MemnocHcurrent setting is all on11:29
membreyaMemnocH, remove DRI11:30
membreyaenable glx11:30
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MemnocHhmm where is the config file found?11:31
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membreyaMemnocH, /etc/X11/xorg.conf11:31
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MemnocHim using xfree11:31
apokryphosMemnocH: /etc/X11/XF86Config-411:31
MemnocHyeh found it,11:31
membreyaapokryphos, are you using hoary or warty?11:32
my_hazim trying out this hoary live cd its pretty darn cool11:32
apokryphosmembreya: hoary of course. :)11:32
membreyathen it's xorg.conf :)11:32
membreyait links to the XF86config-411:32
nachtwindcan i add in the x11/XF86Config new display modes higher than 800x600?11:32
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apokryphosmembreya: oh, interesting. Is he using hoary? I normally edit from the xorg.conf here...11:33
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MemnocHwith the modules to load I currently have lots of them, remove all but glx?11:33
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membreyaleave everything MemnocH except DRI11:33
MemnocHwhats some good fault settings for a 17ich lcd?11:34
iboanyone tried YM6 on crossover?11:34
MemnocHh sync 30-70, Vrefresh 50-160?11:34
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membreyaI'm lucky on that one MemnocH, I just remove all that stuff..amd64 system automatically detects it11:35
MemnocHive got a a64 too11:36
MemnocHpci-e gf6600gt , got it specifically to run nix11:36
MemnocHso far no luck though :(11:36
membreyathen just remove the refresh rates :)11:36
membreyaand it will list the max res11:36
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MemnocHhmm same shit again with gdm11:36
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MemnocHok i know my bus address is correct lspci gives the correct info correct?11:38
magaltavorhi all i have a problem running REAL PLAYER11:38
magaltavorany help11:39
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MemnocHhow do determine what nvidia drives I have?11:41
Myrttihellou all.11:41
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UsiuI am using debian.. and I installed xorg from ubuntu..11:41
Usiunow nautilus crashes..11:42
Seveasthat's no surprise....11:42
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Usiu  from /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/_gtk.so11:42
Myrttiwhy would you install xorg from Ubuntu11:42
SeveasUsiu, what you did isn't smart...11:42
UsiuSeveas, do you know what packages are responsible for that ?11:42
Seveasyous houldn't have installed it11:42
UsiuSeveas, I recompiled nautilus...11:42
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SeveasUsiu, the error is in pygtk11:43
Seveasso maybe rebuilding that helps11:43
Seveasbut then again, why install Xorg from Ubuntu into a Debian system11:43
ibohow do i run nautilus from the panel by being on "explorer" mode?11:43
Seveasthat is so not gonna work most of the times11:43
ChipzzSeveas: nonsense11:44
SeveasChipzz, do you care to explain?11:44
Myrttino, I'd really like to know why to install xorg from Ubuntu to Debian11:44
MyrttiI really fail to see the logic11:44
magaltavorany body can help with realplayer11:44
UsiuSeveas, I wanted xorg 6.8.2 that fixes but for my card.., now opengl works..11:45
ChipzzSeveas: Xorg shouldn't have change API or ABI wrt Xfree8611:45
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Chipzzrather, you should explain why it would crash11:45
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SeveasI don't know exactly why it doesn;t work, but I've seen people try it numerous times and almost always some things (like nvidia/ati drivers) failed11:47
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ChipzzSeveas: most packages in ubuntu are the same packages as in debian11:47
MemnocHwhoa getting some where now, still have scrambled image on load up, then it loaded the X cursor, then its starting to display a cream white background but my mouse doesnt work11:47
ChipzzSeveas: it's not like running xorg from gentoo on debian or something11:47
SeveasMemnocH, have you tried to run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (or xserver-xfree if you're on warty)?11:48
ChipzzSeveas: so, what do you base your assumption on that it is a bad idea?11:48
MemnocHyeh I have11:48
MemnocHnot working to well11:48
SeveasChipzz, by seeing numerous attempts to do so fail...11:48
SeveasI'f you've had better luck, well that's good :)11:48
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UsiuSeveas, even rebuild doesnt help..11:50
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UsiuSeveas, I'll stay without nautilus.. cause now opengl at last works..11:51
MemnocHok attempt 143 to get gdm working11:52
MemnocHstupid new hardware11:52
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MemnocHwhere is the download for the testing release you guys are using11:53
MemnocHI might have to give it a go11:53
xamdmMemnocH, just replace warty with hoary in jour sources.list ;-)11:53
MemnocHok, then apt-get update?11:54
MemnocHx loads, and runs very slow11:54
xamdmMemnocH, yes and then dist-upgrade11:54
MemnocHI move the mouse, it takes 30 seconds to redraw it a few inches one way11:54
MemnocHits not moving its teleporting on the screen11:54
xamdmMemnocH, is there any background action ??11:55
MemnocHbackground action?11:55
MemnocHthe bg is black11:55
MemnocHlast time it loaded a white one then crashed again11:55
MemnocHthis time with dif mouse config the mouse moved11:55
MemnocHbut black background11:55
MemnocHcould it be my mouse settings11:55
tylerHey all, anyone know of any apps I can install that will show me my wireless network status11:55
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xamdmtyler,  ther is a panel-plugin for gnome11:56
MemnocHhmm my sources is default warty-security main restricted11:57
MemnocHjust change warty11:57
MemnocHor uncomment warty universe11:57
xamdmMemnoch, wait a secon11:58
MemnocHandchange to hoary11:58
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MemnocHahh my error, non security ones also enabled11:58
xamdmMemnocH, ill try to send jou mine11:58
MemnocHok, pm is fine11:59
xamdmMemnocH, would jou like it vie EMail, filetransfer themes to fail in irc12:00
membreyalol MemnocH ...you having fun today mate? :P12:00
xamdmsorry for my bad english ;-)12:00
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MemnocHok to pm you/12:00
MemnocHhaha yeh im having fun12:00
MemnocHim not used to x setup or anything :)12:01
xamdmMemnocH, do you get t he file ??12:01
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MemnocHnah auto ignor12:01
MemnocHstupid mirc12:01
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MemnocHlet me get settings sorted12:01
xamdmMemnocH, email ??12:01
xamdmok, il send jou ..12:02
magaltavorReal player problem on ubuntu12:02
xamdmMemnocH, you got mail :-)12:03
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UsiuI still dont understand why nautilus has sth to xorg :(12:04
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MemnocHonce its set in sources, I just run apt-get dist-upgrade?12:04
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xamdmMemnocH, apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade12:04
MemnocHok thx12:04
xamdmMemnocH, np12:05
MemnocHyour smtp is slow :(12:05
xamdmMemnocH, ??12:05
MemnocHstill no email12:05
xamdmMemnocH, ah, copy-paste mistake.., just a secon12:06
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ncpis ubuntu just debian with gnome? ore what other things is better i ubuntu?12:06
xamdmMemnocH, did you get it ??12:07
Vjazncp: it's not four years old12:07
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xamdmMemnocH, np12:08
thoreauputicVjaz: neither is Debian Sid ;)12:08
UsiuOk i upgraded to ubuntu packages now nautilus works fine..12:08
xamdmMemnocH, if a pakage fails just apt-get remove pakage name and reinstall after upgrade12:08
UsiuIs there a gnome2.10 in ubuntu ?12:08
xamdmUsiu, in hoary yes12:08
Vjazthoreauputic: well it still hasn't got X.org12:08
thoreauputicVjaz: that's true, indeed12:09
Vjazthoreauputic: and Debian Sid is unstable.12:09
Usiuxamdm, how to install it  ?12:09
Vjazthoreauputic: it might break the next day if you try to update it12:09
xamdmUsiu, are you running warty ??12:09
membreyaello thoreauputic :)12:09
faustusanyone knwo what ever happened to kde project with ubuntu, I think it was called kbuntu?12:09
membreyaeverything is almost running perfectly again, just having problems installing the nvidia drivers12:09
thoreauputicVjaz: a bitlike Hoary, really ....12:09
thoreauputicmembreya: hi :)12:10
Myrttifaustus: kubuntu12:10
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Usiuxamdm, I was running debian sid... and upgarded to some ubuntu packages like xorg..etc...12:10
xamdmfaustus, there is a pakage in hoary called kubuntu12:10
Myrttifaustus: live and kickin12:10
Seveasfaustus, Kubuntu is still very active12:10
xamdmUsiu, why don't switch to hoary ??12:10
Vjazthoreauputic: except Hoary will be stable next month12:10
MemnocHhmm why is the upgrade pulling down kernel 2.5.999-test7-bk-17?12:10
Usiuxamdm, I guess I added those sources..12:10
faustusin universe ppc? for hoary official?12:10
Usiuxamdm, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted universe multiverse12:11
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xamdmUsiu, yes should work12:11
raghu python2.3: Depends: python (>= 2.3) but 2.1.3-3.2 is to be installed.... broken packages : how to solve this12:11
Usiuxamdm, preferences :)12:11
xamdmUsiu, in hoary gnome2.10 is default...12:11
faustusmy brother is looking forward to kde on ubuntu12:12
thoreauputicVjaz: "stability" is a relative term in this context: lots of people run Sid without any more trouble than running Ubuntu - but never mind...12:12
xamdmfaustus, just a second12:12
Usiuxamdm, but my previous.. I had experimental pined up..12:12
xamdmfaustus, http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2005-March/000023.html12:12
xamdmUsiu, my english realy bad what means pined up ??12:13
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thoreauputicVjaz: I think improved hardware detection and similar things are more important advantages of Ubuntu12:13
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Usiuxamdm, matched as default12:13
Usiuxamdm, I mean matched as higher piority in preferences12:14
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xamdmUsiu, sorry im not able to follow jou ;-)12:14
faustushe, my bro, is running a nvidia card.  I read that there are problems in hory with these cards.  Is this just with the buinary drivers?12:15
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faustus'cause he uses the open source ones anyone on accoutn of using ppc12:15
Usiuxamdm, is there sth in debian that isnt in ubuntu packages ?12:15
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xamdmUsiu, don't know, but i don't think so12:16
Usiuxamdm, i understand that ubuntu is prepered for desktop..12:16
xamdmUsiu, why stay at debina-sid ??12:16
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Usiuxamdm, I see many advantages of ubuntu... new gnome, at last opengl works bug for my card was fixed in xorg >= 6.8.112:17
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xamdmUsiu, then complete switch to hoary ;-)12:17
Usiuxamdm, I'm doing it..12:17
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ncpis ubuntu just a new dist. for workstation with the most commen software installede as default?12:17
jsgotangcohoary is awsome (for me)12:18
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xamdmUsiu, ah ok, i beleve that i misunderstood a few things, sorry12:18
djphi all12:18
Usiuxamdm, I hope it will stay so fresh...12:18
membreyaUsiu: if you get bored with running hoary, run grumpy :)12:18
xamdmmembreya, what the hell is grumpy ??12:19
Usiumembreya, what's grumpy ?12:19
membreyagrumpy is the next version12:19
Myrttithe next development version12:19
Myrttiafter hoary12:19
Seveasgrumpy used to be the codename for the next version12:19
Seveasit's now called Bendy Badger12:19
xamdmmembreya, oh, note jet maybe in 5 month ;-)12:19
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MyrttiBendy? I liked Grumpy better12:19
SeveasGrumpy will be the codename for another project12:19
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membreyabendy? makes it sound gay12:20
djpok here's the rub! i have modprobed my soundcard and adjusted my alsamixer settings and... it works! however everytime i restart ubuntu it stops working again, the boot up process telling me that sound card has not been found. i then have to manually modprobe again and get it working! i have used the modules-update command but still the same thing happens on a reboot. can anyone help?12:20
MemnocHhmm reading nvidias page, x86_64 drivers and gf6600gt = broken badly12:20
UsiuSeveas, how often do You fix things in hoary ?12:20
membreyadjp add it to your /etc/modules12:20
Seveasdjp: add the module to /etc/modules12:20
membreyabeat ya Seveas :P12:20
UsiuSeveas, I got daily updates when using debian unstable12:20
SeveasUsiu, I run Warty :)12:20
xamdmUsiu, i think so, in 6 month there will be the next release, a big atvantige to debian...12:20
UsiuSeveas, whats warty ?12:21
tylerHow can I watch mpegs and the like in Hoary? it seems apt-get w32codecs doesn't help12:21
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thoreauputicI thought from what bob2 said that grumpy was to be the "constantly in development" branch, rether like Sid in Debian ?12:21
Seveasthe october 2004 version12:21
Seveasthe STABLE one :)12:21
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Seveashoary will be stable in april12:21
Seveasthen i'll switch12:21
UsiuSeveas, I understand...12:21
SeveasUsiu, in contrast to debian, stable versions of ubuntu aren't hopelessly outdated12:22
xamdmSeveas, :-)12:22
tylerit seems okay at the moment.12:22
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jdubthoreauputic: it's going to be way crazier than sid.12:23
Seveastyler, install either tomtem-xine or mplayer12:23
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Seveasthat's the easiest solution :)12:23
UsiuSeveas, Ok ok.. I am convinced12:23
jeegiztyler, or gxine12:23
thoreauputicjdub: heh - sounds like fun :)12:23
jsgotangcomy hoary experience is awesome12:23
jsgotangcoeven OOo2 is working right12:23
Seveasnice jsgotangco!12:23
jsgotangconothing was broken at all12:23
Seveasare there dialup users in here?12:24
spiritzI just did a dist-upgrade with hoary, now most of gtk apps return Segmentation fault on launch. Is someone else having this issue?12:24
xamdmtyler, get the w32 codecs from the mplayer page, and switch to totem-xine ..12:24
djpmembreya: how? what do i have to enter to do this?12:24
SeveasIf so -> fade6 needs help, please help him :)12:24
UsiuSeveas, Do you use in ubuntu debian packaging mechanism ?12:24
thoreauputicSeveas: yes, I'm a dialup captive12:24
UsiuSeveas, How to became a package maintainer ?12:24
Seveasthoreauputic, PM fade6 please :)12:24
thoreauputicSeveas: OK12:24
membreyadjp, in a terminal type sudo nano /etc/modules12:24
SeveasSeveas, I use APT yes, but i'm not a maintainer12:24
Seveasehm I meant Usiu12:25
ncpis ubuntu just a new debian dist. for workstation with the most commen software installede as default? ore is there something new that makes it a littel better? :)12:25
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djpmembreya: ok thanks. what does the nano bit do?12:25
Seveasncp, ubuntu is better :)12:25
membreyanano is a text editory12:25
UsiuSeveas, Do you have gg2 in ubuntu ? I am maintaining unofficial debian packages for it... those were going to be uploaded when 2.2.5 will be release..12:25
jsgotangconcp: it is debian but its no fork12:25
membreyaeditor even :|12:25
xamdmncp, its more easy12:25
MemnocHnano is easy to use12:25
xamdmncp, ther are mor actual pakages...12:25
Seveasncp, see the Ubuntu homepage and look for Ubuntu vs Debian in the menu12:25
membreyathats why I suggest it MemnocH12:25
ncpokay thanks12:26
SeveasUsiu, sorry, i don't even know what gg2 is12:26
djpmembreya: ok thanks i have done that using gedit but don't know where i add the modules and whether they should be commented or uncommented?12:26
UsiuSeveas, gnugadu.sf.net12:26
membreyadjp, just list the modules name12:26
Seveasdjp, if the modules name is foo_module, just type in a shell: echo "foo_module" | sudo tee -a /etc/modules12:27
jsgotangcoUsiu, https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DevelopersDocumentation12:27
Usiujsgotangco, thx12:27
jsgotangcomaintaining for Ubuntu is also there12:27
SeveasUsiu, if you want your packages to go into ubuntu, contact the MOTU (masters of the universe) in #ubuntu-motu12:27
membreyaSeveas: if you're in a terminal doing that, wouldn't sudo echo "foo_module" >> /etc/modules be easier?12:27
Seveasno membreya12:28
jsgotangcoMOTU as well12:28
Seveasthe >> redirect is run as the user himself12:28
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Seveasso that won't work12:28
membreyasudo -s ? :)12:28
Seveassudo "echo foo_module >> /etc/modules" might work12:28
Seveasyeah sudo -s is good :)12:29
djpSeveas: ok will give it a go...12:29
fade6guys is setting up a connection for isdn different from dial up?12:29
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membreyawhy do people insist on using ISDN :|12:29
UsiuSeveas, thx12:29
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MemnocHSeveas, thanks for your help12:30
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Solatiswoohoo! the updated nvidia-glx driver in hoary, will this mean that now my xorg does /not/ crash when i enable 'nvidia' instead of 'nv' as my video driver ? :)12:30
MemnocHgot a gf6600gt card?12:30
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deFryskSolatis, try it and let me know12:31
Solatisehhhrr, i've got an onboard gforce2 :)12:31
MemnocHif so your shit out of luck as there is a problem in the nvidia drivers12:31
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MemnocHwell you should be all good then12:31
Solatiswell, how can i find out wether i have a gf6600gt card ?12:31
Solatisah ok12:31
Solatisi'm gonna reboot and try out12:31
spiritzis there one of you that did a dist-upgrade today?12:32
GeckoHello. I am installing Ubuntu Linux now, but I have a question. I have accidentally downloaded an i386 image, where I could use an amd64 mirror instead. Will it be a problem to change this after install?12:32
membreyaMemnocH: language buddy :)12:32
spiritzGecko : If I were you I would stop your current install and download the right image12:33
Geckospiritz: Damn, I wont wait another two hours or more to download it...12:33
Geckospiritz: Don't you think, that if I removed the repositories of 386 and inserted the amd64 repos, and then used a dist-upgrade that it would do the trick?12:34
SolatisdeFrysk: the drivers still crash my xorg :'(12:34
spiritznot sure that dist-upgrade will get the amd64 instead of i386 as an 'new version'12:34
Solatisat least, only blank screen when loading12:34
deFryskSolatis, thnks for the info12:34
Solatissheesh, ok, i'm all pissed now since my system is running all crappy for a week now12:34
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deFryskno need for meto try then12:35
Solatishow can i get my old nvidia drivers back that are in warty ? :)12:35
membreyaSolatis: what does your /var/log/Xorg.0.log say?12:35
Solatismembreya: holdon rebooting12:35
Geckospiritz: hmm, it would require me to upgrade to the 'testing' equivalent, and hope that every package has a new version in there...12:35
Seveasanybody here in for a little test?12:36
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MemnocHmembreya: dont mind me, just bitter and twisted over x86_64 not working....12:36
membreyawhat for Seveas ?12:36
deFrysknero linux sucks big time12:36
deFryskgetting it is w waste of time12:36
Seveasmembreya, I have created a python script that allows you to post to a pastebin from the commandline12:36
spiritzGecko : I'm not sure everypackage has been updated for the last months, especially since you're using hoary which is almost up to date12:36
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Seveasand it needs to be tested :)12:36
Solatismembreya: the last thing it says is 'loading module: glx'12:36
Solatisno error12:37
membreyaMemnocH: don't worry.. I lost a month of configuring last night :) ....strangely enough, reinstalled everything today..and except for the nvidia drivers everything is back up :)12:37
Solatisno nothing12:37
Geckospiritz: I am not. The image is a warty12:37
membreyahrm :|12:37
deFryskSolatis, its the nvidia driver itself12:37
membreyachecked on the nvnews forums?12:37
Solatiswell i know there is a patch for this driver available12:37
Solatisbut no, i haven't checked any forums12:37
Solatisbut the thing is, i don't want this driver fixed especially, i just want my xorg to work12:38
Solatissince i have the feeling it can take a real while to get this fixed12:38
Solatisand i've already spent an entire evening trying to get it work without any luck12:38
xamdmhowto install realplayer 10 in hoary ??12:38
membreyaSolatis: so just change xorg back to nv :P12:38
Solatisand then my system is all crappy12:38
membreyaxamdm: what arch ?12:38
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xamdmmembreya, i68612:39
membreyaherm :|12:39
xamdmmembreya, just using alien and the rpm will work ??12:39
Solatisthose redraws of the screen are REAL bad with the standard 'nv' driver, and scrolling in gnome-terminal gives 100% cpu load12:39
Solatis(to illustrate the bad-ness :P)12:39
djpSeveas: thank you SOOOOOO much! 3 days spent getting an old 200mhz 64mb pc with ess soundcard to work using ubuntu and now it is all working!!! fluxbox and sound. I was on the right lines, just a few thousand miles in the wrong direction!!! thanks once again to you and membreya12:40
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Seveasyw djp, happy linuxing :)12:40
Solatisbut ehrm, anyone knows how i can downgrade my nvidia drivers to match the version in warty rather than hoary ?12:40
membreya3 days to ask djp ? :) you're pigheaded12:40
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cavediverHi, Im looking for a disk-encryption program, is there one included with ubunto? Can't figure dm-crypt ocut12:40
djpmembreya: no been on here a few times but no one was able to help...12:40
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membreyadon't see why, it's a simple question :)12:40
djpmembreya: guise it is the luck of who is online at the time12:40
djpmembreya: guess even!12:41
Seveasindeed djp12:41
Seveaswhen i'm here you have more chance of being helped :p12:41
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Luisocan i add ububtu sources to my debian's sources.list?12:41
membreyahaha Seveas :P12:41
SeveasLuiso, of course you can, just edit the file. The question is whether it is a good idea. For most packages it means no harm, but some packages shouldn't be mixed12:42
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LuisoE: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_main_binary-i386_Packages12:42
HiddenWolfHow do I make sure evolution checks for new messages at startup?12:42
Seveasso if you do: please be careful which packages you install from where, and preferably use APT pinning12:42
SeveasHiddenWolf, by clicking the "send/receive" button :)12:43
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LuisoSeveas, i'm carefoul but de apt-get update always fail: E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_main_binary-i386_Packages12:43
Seveasafaik, Evo has no such option to check automagically at startup12:43
HiddenWolfSeveas: you're kidding me?12:43
SeveasLuiso, sorry, can't help you with that, I never did that myself before12:43
SeveasHiddenWolf, no i'm not12:44
Luisothanks Seveas12:44
SeveasLuiso, you might try deleting your cache and try again12:44
Seveasbut I do not guarantee any success12:44
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membreyaSeveas: that's why you use thunderbird :P12:45
SeveasI use Evo12:45
SeveasI actually even like it :)12:45
membreyagaleon + thunderbird12:45
HiddenWolfseveas: how about the spam filter? ;)12:45
SeveasHiddenWolf, yeah, that's what I don't like: I can't get it working and I'm too lazy to figure out why :)12:46
Seveasbut if you find out, let me know :D12:46
membreyaSeveas: don't give out your email address? :P12:47
mamelukeshort question... i've heard there will be a new ubuntu-version... will it be reachable with apt-get dist-upgrade?12:47
Seveasmy irc ident is my e-mail address12:47
Seveasmameluke, yes12:47
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mamelukethx... but not yet >_<12:48
Seveasyou will have to change your sources.list and then you can use the new version12:48
mamelukeSeveas, just uncomment the mirrors right?12:48
Seveasyou can even do that now, but the next verion is still under heavy development so there will be serious bugs12:48
Seveasmameluke, no12:48
Seveasjust change warty to hoary12:48
Seveasbut please beware12:49
Seveasit is still unstable12:49
mamelukei'll wait12:49
mamelukejust wondering ;)12:49
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spiritzis there one of you that did a dist-upgrade today?12:49
mamelukeif want to have the newest software ubuntu would be the wrong distro12:49
HiddenWolfspiritz: aye12:49
Seveasmameluke, no12:50
spiritzHiddenWolf : did you dist-upgrade hoary? are you experencing problems?12:50
Seveasif you want the latest stable versions, ubuntu is the right distro12:50
AmaranthSeveas: Ha!12:50
Seveasif you want bleeding-edge 0day software which will contain lots of bugs: use gentoo12:50
HiddenWolfspiritz: I did, and not at all12:50
spiritzHiddenWolf :ok,thanks12:51
SeveasAmaranth, Ha! to you too :)12:51
AmaranthSeveas: If you've used hoary in the past couple months you've been using the latest GNOME 2.9.x (unstable), GTK 2.5.x (unstable), pygtk 2.5.x (unstable), and much more.12:51
SeveasAmaranth, I meant Ubuntu stable...12:51
Amaranthoh, ok12:51
LuisoSeveas, The problem is solved, i deleted this line from apt-conf: APT::Cache-Limit 10240000;12:51
Seveasof course Ubuntu unstable will be unstable.... that's why it is unstable :)12:52
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Luisoi'm happy12:52
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Seveasthanks for letting me no Luiso, this will go in my knowledge base ;)12:52
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archangel_hey guys can anyone tell me the command to change my resolution, themes and such?12:52
Amaranthgcc 4 sounds really exciting12:52
Amaranthat least the java parts12:52
Seveasarchangel_, use the 'computer' menu and find system configuration12:53
Amarantharchangel_: In hoary that's in System->Preferences12:53
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Seveasarchangel_, there you can finf the various options12:53
archangel_what about in nautilus12:53
Amarantharchangel_: You don't do it from nautilus, it's in the top menus.12:53
Amarantharchangel_: Computer->System Configuration in warty, System->Preferences in hoary12:54
Geckospiritz: I have browsed the ubuntu forum alittle, and it seems that adm64 is not all that good-running, but installing an amd64 kernel would give me a little speed increase, right?12:54
Seveasyou mean the file manager? you can change the options for nautilus via it's menu edit->preferences12:54
xiaoyuwhat package do ineed so that my camera will be recognized by hoary ?12:54
archangel_got it thanks guys12:55
AmaranthIf gnome-control-center is in warty you can run that too.12:55
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AmaranthYou'll have to start it from a terminal but it's more like a windows control panel12:56
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Seveasxiaoyu, depends on the cam12:56
spiritzGecko : yep, it should run fast12:56
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Seveascya all12:57
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AdrenalUsually, when clicking a folder in the bookmarks drop down menu, its contents load in tabs.12:59
AdrenalLately however, that hasn't been working. Nor has middle clicking bookmarks in the menu. It just sits there, pretending not to notice, but it knows damn well whats going on.12:59
Adrenal...Any ideas? The only tab related extension i have installed is tab mix, and this happened after editing my chrome.css and user.js files, but after removing these, nothing reverted.12:59
AdrenalI'm using Ubuntu, my specs are 512 mb ram, 2.5 ghz etc (decent comp). Since I am using Ubuntu, uninstalling firefox will hurt my UbuntuDesktop set up, and thus force me to redownload *a lot* of stuff.12:59
AdrenalThankyou in advance12:59
Adrenalha, i precompile my help messages12:59
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AmaranthAdrenal: Uninstalling mozilla-firefox removes the ubuntu-desktop meta package. That doesn't mean your desktop goes away.01:00
Adrenali know, but it means a lot of packages do01:00
Adrenalits something i would rather not deal with, espiecally since i doubt it would solve anything01:01
AmaranthIt sounds like your profile is screwed.01:01
thoreauputicisn't this a question for the a firefox channel or forum?01:01
AmaranthMake a backup of your bookmarks and delete the .mozilla dir in your home.01:02
Adrenalasked in there, but its obvious they are no were my question01:02
AdrenalAmaranth, what will happen after that?01:02
AmaranthYou'll lose all your extensions and themes and other settings.01:02
AmaranthBut it'll start you off from scratch just like when you first ran firefox.01:02
Adrenalafter i reboot firefox, it will work snuggity boo right?01:03
Adrenalsounds like a plan01:03
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AmaranthBack up your bookmarks first.01:03
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Solatisanyone know how i can force apt and/or synaptic to install (and keep) an old version of a package (in my case, the nvidia drivers) ?01:05
Solatis(i'm sorry, i'm not that familliar with apt)01:05
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Adrenalw00t, it works01:07
mamelukeomg... iv' translatet HOARY in German... why this name????01:07
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mamelukehoary marmot?01:07
Adrenalyou guys rock, in my absence, keep it real01:07
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Amaranthmameluke: What does it mean?01:08
AmaranthSolatis: No clue.01:09
lenanyone have advise where i should put my Music Folder PArtition?  I have one partition on my home folder, but i want to make another partition attached to another folder01:09
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leni was thinking /opt/01:09
Amaranthlen: nah01:09
jsgotangcojust put it in home01:09
magaltavorcan i have some help about01:10
mamelukeAmaranth, in german something like grey01:10
thoreauputiclen: umm... don't use /opt for that01:10
Amaranthlen: Put it in /mnt/music01:10
lenahh k01:10
jsgotangcoor that01:10
lenthat sounds bettwe01:10
leni will put it in mnt01:10
mamelukenobody knows why the new releas is called hoary?01:13
mjrdoes there have to be a reason?01:15
spiritzsorry :D01:15
thoreauputicmameluke: the names are just nonsense jokes for fun01:15
Myrttimameluke: why is the debian stable called woody?01:15
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jbaileyMyrtti: The Debian names are based off of toystory characters. =)01:16
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thoreauputicMyrtti: woody and sarge and sid are all Toy Story characters, so there's a kind of silly logic in them :)01:16
mamelukeMyrtti, thoreauputic. Warthog remebered to Lionking and Afrika01:16
Myrttiffs, thank you, I knew it01:17
MyrttiI'll go and sleep01:17
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membreyamjr: why? :|01:17
jsgotangcogo for it01:17
jsgotangcoGO GO GO01:17
mjryou guys aren't helping ;)01:17
mamelukeHoary Hedgehog... now i have the link01:18
mamelukeit's also an animal :P01:18
mjr"'cause this box is nice and stable so far" ;)01:18
membreyamjr: how boring.01:18
jsgotangcowell if you want a testimony, my Warty to Hoary upgrade works so far01:18
mamelukemy scoutname is Hedgehog... *proud*01:18
jsgotangcomy laptop is in hoary now01:19
jsgotangcoif you dont mind the daily updates01:19
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mjrah well, I'm on vacation, I can blow some time into tweaking an RC distribution ;)01:19
jsgotangcojust upgraded to OOo 2 as well today01:19
membreyajsgotangco: I'm waiting till it's in the repo's :P01:19
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jsgotangcoits in hoary01:20
membreyaI'm running hoary :\01:20
membreyahmmm guess I'm a ditz01:20
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jsgotangcocheck synaptic it has 2 OOo entries01:20
membreyawell how about .. "I will wait until I type apt-get upgrade" and it upgrades the version :P01:21
mjrmmh, 868 to be upgraded and 130 to be installed01:21
mjrthis oughta be fun01:21
membreyahope you got lotsa bandwidth mjr01:21
jsgotangcothats one way of saying it01:21
mjrfull-rate ADSL101:21
membreyastill slow mjr :P01:21
membreyamax 8mbits?01:22
mjrthough M, mind you :)01:22
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mjrestimate 12 minutes till completion, I can live with that01:22
membreyathough being in aus, I rarely get above 250 kB/s off of overseas servers01:22
membreyamy bad on the M mjr  :P01:23
Solatiswell, i must admit, one thing is nice about ubuntu01:23
Solatisit takes 10 minutes to install a new system01:23
membreyaSolatis: everything?01:23
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Solatisnahh, the reason i'm reinstalling is the %$@$# nvidia driver :P01:23
Solatisit shouldn't have been there in the first place :)01:24
Solatisanyway, let's go back to warty01:24
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membreyaif I use synaptic to upgrade to OO.o2 will it replace my OO.o 1 jsgotangco ?01:25
Solatismwoah, warty at least worked... i shouldn't have upgraded to hoary anyway, it was stupid :P01:25
xiximkoppis it possible to change the mixer device controlled by multimedia keyboards in gnome?01:25
jsgotangcomembreya: no i think you can run both at the same time, but I uninstalled 1.x first01:26
membreyajsgotangco: then that brings my next question, will it install menu items? :P01:26
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jsgotangcomembreya: yes new icons as well as OO-base01:26
membreyaI mean will they appear automagically in Applications > Office? :)01:27
membreyasweet :)01:27
GeckoI just installed Ubuntu. It is so incredibly slow! Gnome takes five minutes to start up, and every app takes about 30 seconds or more too...01:27
membreyaoh....that reminds me, gotta reinstall JRE01:27
jsgotangcoinstall 686 kernel01:27
MemnocHany one know a url for a list of mirrors for apt?01:27
membreyaGecko: don't run it on a 486 then01:28
thoreauputicGecko: that's not normal. obviously...01:28
membreyaMemnocH: gimme your email, I will send you an apt-list with the aussie servers01:28
membreyahang on01:28
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Geckomembreya: it's a 2.1 ghz amd 64 laptop01:28
membreyamy amd64 3200 loads in about 40 seconds01:28
membreyafrom go to woah01:28
GeckoNot to mention my usb mouse sets out all the time01:28
MemnocH * Added a workaround for an X server bug with PCI-E GeForce 680001:29
MemnocHand GeForce 6600; a fix has been provided to XFree86 and XOrg.01:29
MemnocHomg!!! new patch today!01:29
MemnocHmaybe it wasnt me!01:29
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membreyaMemnocH: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Archive/view?searchterm=mirrors01:29
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xiximkoppanybody has a clue how it can bwe changed?01:30
Geckomembreya: perhaps I should just upgrade it all to the next branch?01:30
LordGruntwhy there is so much of python all around in this distro? can i safely remove it?01:30
MemnocHthx membreya, now my cable might go over 50kb a sec01:30
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membreyaMemnocH: I get around 500 kB/s from the aussie server01:30
membreyausing optus cable01:30
LordGruntyo, apo ;)01:30
thoreauputicLordGrunt: python is a favourite with the developers - I suspect things will break if you remove it01:31
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MemnocHmembreya, which one? im on bigpond01:31
membreyathe only aussie one? :)01:31
LordGruntarghh. thats bad cause its useless to me, and im running short on disk space01:31
mjrimmediately this hoary upgrade seems like a better idea01:31
jsgotangcohmmm update-manager is updated again in hoary hehe01:32
lenok, i need to make a partition.  I have a 60GB HD. When i installed UBUNTU, I made a 20gb partition on /home/.  Now that 20GB is used up and i still have 30GB on the main Partition.  I want to take 15GB of that main one and make a new partition on /mnt/.  Can i do this without reinstalling Ubuntu on the main partition?01:32
membreyaoh wait01:32
membreyathe isp.net.au one01:32
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LordGruntanother q: what about removing gnome completely (exept synaptic maybe)01:32
MemnocHthere are a few ones listed there for australia01:32
MemnocHok cool01:32
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MemnocHany commands to run after a dis-upgrade?01:37
KreigerCSSAutoclean does what?01:38
thoreauputicKreigerCSS: apt-get autoclean clears the cache of un-needed packages01:39
thoreauputicclean wipes the lot01:39
LordGruntheh, i will need it :)01:40
membreyajsgotangco: it's not letting me remove OO.o 1..or install OO.o 201:40
LordGruntwhat about removing gnome completely (exept synaptic maybe)? possible or not?01:40
thoreauputicapt has Super Cow Powers!01:41
membreyathoreauputic: been watching too much cow and chicken ? :P01:41
jsgotangcomembreya: eh? i can't say why..i just used synaptic to remove OO.o 1 and install OOo 2 at the same time01:41
membreyadid you let it remove everything it wanted to01:41
RattboiI have OO.o 1 and 2 installed01:41
membreyaI can't see it affecting it though, the only thing out of the ordinary it wants to remove is desktop01:42
membreyaand that's just a meta-package01:42
jsgotangcolet me check the log01:42
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membreyathere's a log?! :|01:42
membreyalearn somethin new everyday :)01:42
MemnocHlog files, who uses them?01:42
MemnocHI used to wonder why my svr crashed wheb /var/log filled up.....01:43
jsgotangcoin synaptic, its File->History01:43
membreyabored nerds use them MemnocH :P01:43
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membreyasomething doesn't work ..remove it :P01:43
MemnocHor reinstall01:43
MemnocHlike I did because su didnt work.......01:43
MemnocHthen I found out it shouldnt01:43
membreyasu didn't work? :| that would make life hard :)01:43
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jsgotangcoheh i hope it didnt flood01:44
membreyanaw :)01:45
membreyaflood prot isn't on :)01:45
nanomadwich is the last ubuntu kernel?01:49
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membreyajsgotangco: ..quick question, what arch are you running?01:50
thoreauputicnanomad: 2.6.11 in hoary I think01:50
MemnocHhow do i update the kernel?01:51
membreyaThe following packages have unmet dependencies:01:51
membreya  openoffice.org2-common: Depends: openoffice.org2-core (> 1.9.76) but it is not installable01:51
GeckoI have a strange issue on my laptop. Running a fresh install of warty. After like ten minutes running, sometimes more, sometimes less, first my usb mouse doesn't work anymore, then quickly following is my network, and then everything locks up.01:51
SiRrUsaptitude install linux-image-2.6.10-4-686 for example01:52
membreyaand openoffice.org2-core says it's not available01:52
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membreyahelp me SiRrUs ..you're my only hope < voice of princess leah01:52
MemnocHSiRrUs, that work from the console?01:53
membreyaSiRrUs: why not just use apt-get install ?01:53
SiRrUsmembreya good question does apt-get work as well ?01:54
membreyashould do :| all my kernel updates are via synaptic01:54
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MemnocHwouldnt a desktop be nice....01:55
SiRrUsa desktop you dont have one MemnocH?01:55
MemnocHnope, not a gnome one, geforce 6600gt pci-e known issues with nvidia = broken with dirvers older than the 11th of march01:56
MemnocHattempting to fix now01:57
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MemnocHbeing a newish linux user and all makes it hard01:57
membreyanot hard MemnocH ..fun :)01:57
tanekdoes anyone know why firefox displays ads from sites on other tabs on top of the one im browsing, can hardy read, cause of ads all over the text :(01:57
SiRrUsMemnocH strange mine is geforce 5200 and no problems here01:57
deFrysk tanek poor webpage01:57
MemnocHmembreya, yes fun thats what we call it :)01:57
membreyaSiRrUs: geforce 5200 does not = geforce 6600 :)01:58
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membreyait's a card/driver problem01:58
MemnocHSiRrUs, gf 6800 and 6600 pci-e only01:58
tanekdeFrysk: then, all pages in the world are porr, cause there are no exeptions01:58
SiRrUsoh ok i was reading the topic01:58
membreyapci-e...didn't you get taken for a ride MemnocH :P01:58
MemnocHlol yes01:58
deFrysktanek, example page ?01:58
MemnocHshould have stuck with my old pc, ati radeon 9800pro p4 3gig01:58
MemnocHi sure did get done over01:58
membreyawhat you running now ?01:59
MemnocHa64 320001:59
membreyasame :D01:59
deFrysktanek, fine here01:59
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Rattboitanek: google?01:59
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Rattboiall are fine here too01:59
deFryskgot flash instaled ?01:59
membreyagoogle.com giving pop up ads?01:59
MemnocHok no need to take a sports bag full of weapons to work tomorrow its working!01:59
tanekyes, flash is installed01:59
MemnocHand its fast too02:00
deFrysktanek, macromedia.com works fine ?02:00
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CastoroHi all02:00
SiRrUsMemnocH which kernel you using02:00
membreyabeauty of running a 64bit operating system on a 64bit computer :P02:00
CastoroIs there a complete guide for setting framebuffer on Ubuntu ?02:00
tanekyes, its not the pages that are screwed up, its the app02:00
MemnocHill tell you in a sec once i work out how to open a terminal02:00
MemnocH.10 i believe though02:00
membreyalol :P02:00
deFrysktanek, do you have firefox installed with apt-get ?02:00
Castoro(or, at least, in Debian)02:01
taneklatest warty version02:01
Seattle_sucksI remember when I invented linux02:01
deFrysktanek, no clue02:01
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membreyaif I download a package's source code, is there any way to create a .deb file with the compiled app??02:01
membreyaAl_Gore: !! ..wasn't that around the same time you invented the internet?02:02
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Al_GoreIt was years before, i developed the source code for Unix02:02
membreyaSeveas: ..just in time to be my oracle :P02:02
deFrysktanek apt-get remove -p mozilla-firefox && apt-get install mozilla-firefox02:02
Castoromembreya, you mean [make-kpkg kernel_image]   ?02:02
tanekdoing that02:02
deFrysktanek, cool02:02
Seveaslol membreya02:02
membreyacastoro, I'm compiling the source for OO.o2 since it refuses to install via synaptic02:03
CastoroAh, k02:03
CastoroSry, i misunderstood02:03
membreyathis is aimed at Seveas, the all knowing :)02:03
deFryskmembreya, Oo installed fine here02:03
membreyaif I download a package's source code, is there any way to create a .deb file with the compiled app??02:03
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membreyadeFrysk: are you running amd64?02:03
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thoreauputicmembreya: checkinstall02:04
MemnocH`it verks!02:04
membreyawelcome back MemnocH :)02:04
deFryskmembreya, ooh , sorry02:04
UsiuIs there a package in ubuntu for vim with evolution ??02:04
UsiuOr I need patching02:04
membreyathoreauputic: checkinstall will make a .deb file ?02:04
Al_GoreI invented Evolution02:04
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thoreauputicmembreya: yup02:04
archangel_hey everyone, can anyone give me a good p2p other than mldonkey?02:04
Usiuarchangel_, amule02:04
thoreauputicmembreya: and install it02:04
membreyaarchangel_: azureus02:04
Usiumembreya, azureus is for torrent02:04
archangel_amule or emule?02:04
membreyathoreauputic: so I just need to do a ./configure && make02:04
thoreauputicmembreya: usually in /usr/local/02:04
Usiuarchangel_, amule02:04
Usiuarchangel_, not e02:05
deFrysklimewire i like02:05
membreyaand then do a checkinstall02:05
deFrysklimewire and azureus02:05
archangel_is there a gui?02:05
archangel_for amule?02:05
thoreauputicmembreya: yes, that's it02:05
thoreauputicmembreya: it's dead easy02:05
membreyadamn you openoffice.org..giving me RPM's!02:06
membreyaI HATE YOU!02:06
Usiuarchangel_, amule is in gtk202:06
thoreauputicmembreya: compiling openoffice, on the other hand... well ... have fun ;)02:06
membreyathoreauputic: it refuses to install either via apt-get install or synaptic >:(02:06
thoreauputicmembreya: I gathered02:07
membreyadon't gather..fix :P02:07
thoreauputicmembreya: you could try using alien on the rpm I guess02:07
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membreyanot another thing I have to learn02:08
fade3hi can anyone help with gnome ppp?02:08
VjazHm... is the current (2.10.0) Fileroller brain-damaged, or does everyone think that it's a good idea to unpack in the directory that's selected with the dialog, and not the one it's showing?02:08
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thoreauputicmembreya: the open office folk don't seem to realise that rpm is brain-damaged02:08
MemnocHhow do i configure sound?02:08
membreyaVjaz: known qualm :P02:08
thoreauputicwhy they don't supply an installer/binary is beyond me02:08
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Vjazmembreya: Thought so... is it more a problem in File-Roller or the Gnome standard dialog?02:09
membreyanot sure02:09
thoreauputicxiximkopp: IS IT POSSIBLE TO FIX YOUR CAPS LOCK ?02:09
membreyalol thor :P02:10
Usiuthoreauputic, ;) yes02:10
Al_GoreThey put a vending machine in02:10
archangel_I'm trying to use amule but it says I make a connection and lose a connection02:10
Usiuarchangel_, try... again02:10
Usiuarchangel_, maybe you;re low id02:11
LordGruntwhat about removing gnome completely (exept synaptic maybe)? possible or not?02:11
UsiuLordGrunt, Why not ?02:11
membreyahow can you run synaptic without gnome?02:11
archangel_yea it said I was02:11
membreyayou could just change your run level so it doesn't load by default :)02:11
archangel_how do I change low id02:11
deFryskmembreya, install xfce402:11
membreyaarchangel_: reconnect02:11
LordGruntno, im switching to kde02:11
membreyadeFrysk: wassat?02:12
Usiumembreya, he can... but not without libgnome etc..02:12
MemnocHmembreya, your using x86_64?02:12
Usiumembreya, anyway gnome is the best linux desktop..02:12
Usiumembreya, kde sucks..02:12
deFryskmembreya, gtk2 wm02:12
MemnocHyeh it does02:12
membreyaMemnocH: amd-k802:12
Usiumembreya, that's my opition.02:12
LordGruntand kde's package manager sucks, i want synaptic kept02:12
membreyadeFrysk: why would I want that? :P02:12
deFryskUsiu, tsk!02:12
deFryskmembreya, to run synaptic02:12
occyanyone know how to fix this?02:13
occyErrors were encountered while processing:02:13
occy /var/cache/apt/archives/kdeedu-data_4%3a3.3.2-1ubuntu2_all.deb02:13
LordGruntarchangel_: using what with low id?