[12:00] <scizzo> djp: the xine one or the gstreamer one?
[12:00] <djp> scizzo: this is the workaround that i have read on the forums http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=6748&highlight=totem+blue
[12:00] <djp> scizzo: totem-xine
[12:01] <djp> scizzo: using totem to watch dvds the lot. so far no problems. apart from sometimes needing to restart the player due to the blue screen proble,.
[12:01] <djp> problem!
[12:01] <quar_> whats the new gnome burning app?
[12:02] <WW> Hello, world.
[12:02] <Utnubu> Hello WW
[12:02] <johso> hello :D
[12:02] <djp> hi WW
[12:02] <quar_> Anyone know the new app for burning the gnome one?
[12:02] <johso> Could somebody recommend a burning program that actually works? ;)
[12:02] <johso> lol quar :D
[12:02] <WW> Quickie: What is the command to find the name of a numeric ip address?
[12:02] <scizzo> djp: ok...then I don't know
[12:02] <[Spooky] > johns^: k3b
[12:03] <djp> scizzo: by  the way, should have mentioned, i am using totem-xine under warty
[12:03] <johso> I'm using gnome btw..
[12:03] <WW> Some sort of reverse lookup command?
[12:03] <djp> scizzo: no problems
[12:03] <delltony> can someone tell me the mkisofs command right fast to backup a cd isn't it mkisofs -o someiso.iso /dev/hdc ?
[12:03] <[Spooky] > so am i...
[12:03] <Utnubu> scizzo: I know why the screenshot is blue, but I can not deliver a solution with totem. With xine I would suggest
[12:03] <Utnubu> xine -V xshm video.avi
[12:03] <johso> can one use k3b on gnome?
[12:03] <WW> johso: Yes.
[12:04] <djp> scizzo: another workaround appears to be installing xine-gui, so it's possibly one of the two... just can't find a xorg.conf file where it is supposed to be.
[12:04] <johso> ok, thanks - I heard that it wasn't possible..
[12:04] <jintxo_> while we're on the k3b topic... is there a way to get the qt apps to look like all the rest of the apps (take their setting from the gtk theme that is running)?
[12:04] <djp> Utnubu: yeah i have heard installing xine-gui may remedy the issue
[12:05] <jintxo_> that would be awfully nice :-)
[12:05] <WW> Anybody?  If I have a numeric ip address, what is the command to find the name? I'm sure there is such a command...
[12:05] <scizzo> djp: well I am guessing you are using warty?
[12:05] <scizzo> djp: because xorg is in hoary
[12:05] <lok> WW, use ifconfig
[12:05] <Utnubu> djp: The problem is that the screenshooting application isn't aware of xv (xvideo).
[12:05] <djp> scizzo: ok, thanks for that. yes warty here
[12:06] <delltony> ww, i think your wanting whois
[12:06] <jintxo_> WW, maybe "host -T <ip>" ?
[12:06] <TheChuckster> hey
[12:06] <scizzo> djp: you are not using xorg then
[12:06] <LordGrunt> i keep getting this error on ./configure :
[12:06] <LordGrunt> checking build system type... configure: error: cannot guess build type; you must specify one
[12:06] <johso> btw, can k3b make audio cd's of .ogg files?
[12:06] <djp> Utnubu: my problem was with the starting of totem. sometimes a blue screen which needs a restart and the neverything is fine.
[12:06] <LordGrunt> what that might be?
[12:06] <quar_> does anyone know the name of the Gnome burning app?
[12:06] <WW> jintxo_: Thanks, that looks like it worked!
[12:07] <djp> scizzo: yep, thanks. that leaves me with just the other solution. cheers scizzo
[12:07] <TheChuckster> how difficult is it to set up wireless networking on a noninternet connected ubuntu linux hoary preview system?
[12:07] <cocol> graveman
[12:07] <Utnubu> djp: Oh, that seems to be another problem. I am not aware of that one.
[12:07] <johso> quar_: there is a program nautilus-cd-burner with ubuntu, not sure if it's that program you're talking about..
[12:07] <Utnubu> djp: I prefer xine :-)
[12:07] <cocol> gnomebaker
[12:07] <djp> Utnubu: it appears that the only workaround under warty is to install xine-gui
[12:08] <quar_> I need something to blank a cdrw
[12:08] <djp> Utnubu: sure. although totem has not been as bad as some of the comments i have read about it
[12:08] <WW> quar: I've heard of gnomebaker (or gnome-baker)... but I've never used it.
[12:09] <tck> trying to play mp3's in hoary
[12:09] <johso> how do you give k3b root privileges as default?
[12:09] <OrangeSlice> Gnome 2.10 is quite nice
[12:09] <tck> its saying with 'rhythmbox' theres no plugin installed
[12:09] <OrangeSlice> I'm playing with the live cd :)
[12:09] <johso> nvm
[12:09] <tck> anyone any suggestion
[12:09] <djp> Utnubu: always liked mplayer but cannot be bothered with the install process under warty. totem suits me for now (apart from the blue thingy) but i may stick xine-gui on at some point if i encounter any other issues with totem
[12:09] <Utnubu> djp: What happens if you use ttoem-xine instead of totem-gstreamer?
[12:10] <WW> johso: I never bothered.  I added a menu item that starts k3b with gksudo.  A minor nuisance, but it works for me...
[12:10] <djp> Utnubu: that is what i am using
[12:10] <TheChuckster> hmm nobody try wireless yet?
[12:10] <jintxo_> tck, you prolly have to install the gstreamer-plugins
[12:10] <FX|Laptop> Hello. Is anyone else have problems with no sound in Gaim running Hoary?
[12:10] <LordGrunt> how about my ./configure issue? ...?
[12:10] <Utnubu> djp: I used gxine for some time. You should take a look at it
[12:11] <comunicaciones> using hoary, if you add another user, which groups is it supposed to belong so it can use gnome sounds (esound)? I added an user but Rhythmbox claims "could not open device for writing""
[12:11] <djp> Utnubu: i know it seems strange that installing xine-gui should cure the issue, but that is only what i have read on a forum posting. i have not tried it out so cannot guarantee it actually works...
[12:11] <johso> WW: so I can't run it from the 'Run Application' window with root privileges?
[12:11] <djp> Utnubu: might just do that
[12:11] <comunicaciones> xmms gives error when using esound, works fine with alsa and oss
[12:12] <tck> jintxo_, ok
[12:12] <critter> How do I find out what gnome version I have?
[12:12] <FR500> is there a hoary quick start guide?
[12:12] <spiderworm> help all how do i get ndiswrapper for my 64 bit system?
[12:12] <WW> johso: I'm not sure what you can or can't do, just letting you know what I did.  (I'm running warty, by the way.)
[12:13] <jintxo_> comunicaciones, there's an "audio" group... could that be the one you're looking for?
[12:13] <Utnubu> djp: I just checked gxine under ubuntu, it seems to need some polishing :-(
[12:13] <johso> WW: hehe, okay ;) - what's gksudo? any difference from sudo?
[12:13] <comunicaciones> jintxo_, is added to the audio group, it can use alsa but not esound. The main user can use esound...
[12:13] <OrangeSlice> gksudo brings up a dialog
[12:13] <OrangeSlice> regular sudo can only be used from the terminal
[12:13] <WW> johso: ...what OrangeSlice said ^
[12:14] <djp> Utnubu: thanks for the advice
[12:14] <johso> ahh, I see! :)
[12:14] <andrewski> anyone on hoary having trouble with udev and /dev/cdrom?
[12:14] <OrangeSlice> much as I'm loving this Gnome 2.10, it's time to boot back into my hard install because I miss all my music :p
[12:15] <FR500> wast hoary supposed to have the grafical boot ala FC3?
[12:15] <cocol> OrangeSlice, try toinstall kdemultimedia
[12:15] <sysrq> andrewski: what do you mean by trouble?
[12:15] <djp> is the 'add new item to this menu' working under hoary now?
[12:15] <andrewski> sysrq: the symlink from hdc -> cdrom needs to be manually created every time i boot.
[12:16] <sysrq> indeed, you will need to create a udev rule for it to be automatic
[12:16] <Utnubu> djp: I see some problems with gxine here under warty. The setup wizard has some problems accessing the cdrom and the dvd drive here. Strange ...
[12:16] <andrewski> sysrq: do you how i can do that?  or where i can find out how?
[12:17] <FR500> wasn't hoary supposed to have the grafical boot ala FC3?
[12:18] <sysrq> andrewski: http://ubuntuguide.org/#symbolicdevdvd
[12:18] <comunicaciones> nobody in hoary tried adding another user???
[12:18] <andrewski> sysrq: thanks a lot.
[12:18] <niran> FR500: it got pushed back to the next release
[12:18] <PacoBCN> comunicaciones, sure, I did
[12:18] <niran> FR500: they're trying to do it in a cleaner way, so it's a bit harder
[12:18] <sysrq> andrewski: actually I take that back, those are bad directions
[12:18] <comunicaciones> PacoBCN, could you use esound with the new user?
[12:18] <PacoBCN> and it worked
[12:18] <PacoBCN> why?
[12:19] <sysrq> andrewski: take a gander at /etc/udev/cdsymlinks.conf
[12:19] <PacoBCN> didn't try
[12:19] <comunicaciones> PacoBCN, which groups you added the user to?
[12:19] <PacoBCN> I added users for ftp accounts, only
[12:19] <comunicaciones> ah ok
[12:19] <comunicaciones> then nvm
[12:19] <andrewski> sysrq: ok, thanks.
[12:19] <PacoBCN> I just adduser it
[12:20] <PacoBCN> btw, I see the gtk-gnutella is solved
[12:20] <FR500> niran:  so no hoary but in the next branch?
[12:20] <comunicaciones> i need to know what is needed for an new user to access esound
[12:20] <niran> right.
[12:20] <niran> hopefully.
[12:20] <critter> Is updating to gnome 2.10 a pretty heavey undertaking
[12:20] <critter> heavy
[12:20] <djp> Utnubu: have you made a symbolic link fo dev/dvd?
[12:20] <mdke> jintxo, same problem with a new user
[12:20] <FR500> niran:  i could try to that by myself right? hope it's not a pain in the ass
[12:21] <niran> FR500: you don't want to. it is a pain in the ass. the way mandrake, et al do it is with a patch to the kernel. you don't want to do that
[12:21] <jintxo> mdke, and it only happens whe nyou take down an interface? maybe a script is being run that is messing up? just a thought.... I think there are scripts in /etc/network/if-down.d that are run when you take down an interface, may be worth a look
[12:21] <FR500> niran:  but it looks so cool :(
[12:22] <FR500> lol, well
[12:22] <Xirdneh> hi there. question... i downloaded an icon theme and i drag the directory then a window pop up asking me if i want to install it i press ok and it starts downloading de .png etc... but i cant select the theme i dont see it, ??? :s
[12:22] <Utnubu> djp: Currently I am working on the cd problem. Maybee I will ask Guenther what he thinks. I see no reason why gxine cannot acces my cdrom. For the DVD, there is an easy explanation on the PC I am checking, gxine cannot access the dvd because there is no dvd drive :-D+
[12:22] <LordGrunt> how about my ./configure issue? ...?
[12:22] <LordGrunt> checking build system type... configure: error: cannot guess build type; you must specify one
[12:22] <LordGrunt> why is that happening?
[12:22] <mdke> jintxo, if I do /etc/init.d/networking restart, i don't get the problem. Only if I deactivate and then reactivate from network-admin or if i take the wiki card out and plug back in
[12:22] <encKe`> anyone here have trouble dcc sending?
[12:22] <KarlosII> so what is gnome 2.10 like?
[12:22] <encKe`> works great on winblows side
[12:22] <spiderworm> hey all according to this page http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper i should be able to find ndiswrapper-utils in my available package lists in synaptic, but its not there, can anyone help?
[12:22] <Utnubu> From where is ubuntu taking the software? From the projects or from debian?
[12:23] <encKe`> i have the ports forwarded correctly
[12:23] <mdke> spiderworm, you may need to add the universe repository
[12:23] <critter> Anyone Know how tough it is to upgrade to Gnome 2.10
[12:23] <LordGrunt> or other case, how to install xorg?
[12:23] <djp> anybody update me as to hoary and adding items to the applications menu? is it working in the preview release?
[12:23] <mdke> critter, not really difficult
[12:23] <Utnubu> critter: I updated to hoary, it was painless for me
[12:23] <FR500> for a starter guide to appear i guess an stable release has to occur first, right?
[12:23] <LinuxJones> critter, upgrade to hoary
[12:23] <mdke> djp, only be done manually, on a systemwide basis to my knowledge
[12:23] <KarlosII> I'm considering but this nvidia broken things is holding me back
[12:24] <spiderworm> mdke, i dont see the universe repo among my repos, is it safe?
[12:24] <mdke> spiderworm, yes perfectly
[12:24] <critter> CAn I do that with Synaptic
[12:24] <spiderworm> mdke, how do i add it?
[12:24] <djp> mdke: ok thanks
[12:24] <johso> is there a mp4 plugin for k3b?
[12:24] <tck> ok, installed every known gstreamer-plugin in synaptic
[12:24] <KarlosII> are they working on a fix for nvidia
[12:24] <tck> still no music for mp3
[12:25] <mdke> spiderworm, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[12:25] <mdke> tck, gstreamer0.8-mad?
[12:25] <mdke> tck, the RestrictedFormats wiki will guide you home
[12:25] <mdke> *wiki page
[12:25] <tck> mdke, except that one
[12:25] <tck> let me try it
[12:25] <mdke> tck, always check the wiki ;)
[12:26] <tck> dunno, why it works off the bat for mates computers but not mine
[12:26] <tck> so thought it wasn'
[12:26] <mdke> different OS
[12:26] <KarlosII> tck, diff mobo?
[12:26] <tck> that sort of an issue
[12:26] <mdke> mp3s NEVER work out of the box on ubuntu
[12:26] <spiderworm> mdke, my synaptic doesnt have checkboxes for me to enable/disable repos, prolly cause im using the preview release, i'll just uncomment it if its in the sources.list file tho
[12:26] <tck> KarlosII, indeed
[12:26] <spiderworm> mdke, thanx
[12:26] <scizzo> tck: what happens?
[12:26] <FR500> mdke:  try beep media player
[12:26] <FR500> it rocks
[12:27] <mdke> FR500, i like rhythmbox myself
[12:27] <dphase> beep is excellent
[12:27] <FR500> mdke:  well, ok
[12:27] <FR500> dphase:  yes, it's like xmms but clean
[12:27] <niran> muine > all other music players.
[12:27] <encKe`> ive opened ports to dcc but still wont go. What else do i need to take into consideration
[12:27] <KING^^^> how can i change my screen resolution higher than 1024x768 ?
[12:27] <KarlosII> reset your rtr
[12:27] <gilles> The sound bugs on my hoary, I have to type "killall -9 esd" before being able to listen to anything. Can I fix that ?
[12:27] <tck> scizzo, xmms hangs, totem complain about no plugin, same as 'rhythmbox'
[12:28] <FR500> well hibernation works.........once, i turn back on and no hibernation anymore
[12:28] <encKe`> me KarlosII ?
[12:28] <Utnubu> tck: Try installing libmad
[12:28] <mdke> tck, you just need gstreamer0.8-mad
[12:28] <spiderworm> mdke, the universe packages arent official... you're sure they're safe?  the whole reason i switched from FC3 to ubuntu was because of unsupported package problems i created for myself ;)
[12:28] <KarlosII> encKe`, sure
[12:28] <tck> yeahh
[12:28] <mdke> tck, it will be fine
[12:28] <tck> it works with rhythmbox :)
[12:28] <tck> thx
[12:28] <scizzo> tck: well xmms is not using gstreamer
[12:28] <tck> twas the mad codec
[12:28] <mdke> spiderworm, yes don't worry :)
[12:28] <tck> only one i didnt install
[12:28] <tck> just my luck :P
[12:28] <niran> gilles: when the sound isn't working right, type "ps -ef | grep esd" in a terminal
[12:29] <scizzo> tck: if you want totem to run...try totem-xine
[12:29] <scizzo> tck: instead of totem-gstreamer
[12:29] <tck> scizzo, what will make xmms play it
[12:29] <spiderworm> what does this mean: W: Couldn't stat source package list http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_universe_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[12:29] <scizzo> tck: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:29] <mdke> yay
[12:29] <mdke> go wiki
[12:29] <tck> :P
[12:29] <spiderworm> no such file or dir on my system, or on the server?
[12:29] <niran> spiderworm: do an apt-get update
[12:30] <spiderworm> ok doing it now, thanx
[12:30] <gilles> niran: okay, i'll reboot and try that
[12:30] <FR500> can i just install over warty keeping my software intact?
[12:31] <spiderworm> mdke, lol lots more packages but still no ndiswrapper
[12:31] <cored> hi all
[12:31] <djp> hi cored
[12:31] <wm_eddie> ntfs rw isn't supported in the stock warty kernel right?
[12:32] <mdke> spiderworm, maybe it doesn't exist for 64
[12:32] <niran> wm_eddie: no, you need captive ntfs for that
[12:32] <mdke> spiderworm, i am not sure
[12:32] <mdke> spiderworm, but... there is a wiki for ndiswrapper too!
[12:32] <spiderworm> mdke, hmmm.... damn
[12:32] <djp> has anybody got phpwiki to work with apache2?
[12:32] <spiderworm> wiki... love wikis... ok thanx... do you have a url for the wiki perchance?
[12:33] <mdke> spiderworm, http://wiki.ubuntu.com
[12:33] <KING^^^> how can i change my screen resolution higher than 1024x768 ?
[12:34] <mdke> KING^^^, system -> preferences -> screen resolution?
[12:34] <KarlosII> is it possible to use the ubuntu repository to get gnome 2.10 on my debian box?
[12:34] <KING^^^> no , i can't , mdke
[12:34] <Utnubu> KING^^^ sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[12:34] <apokryphos> KING^^^: if it's not possible in there, then you'll have to reconfigure your x.
[12:34] <KING^^^> 1024 is maximum
[12:34] <apokryphos> KING^^^: xfree or xorg?
[12:34] <mdke> yeah reconfigure your server
[12:34] <apokryphos> KING^^^: I'd say you can still do it with xfree, but my memory is failing with regards to it.
[12:34] <bl4cks4ils> hi
[12:34] <Utnubu> In the following dialog you will be asked about the resolution, mark the resolution you need
[12:34] <niran> KarlosII: it'll be ugly. you'll basically end up with ubuntu. why not just install it?
[12:35] <bl4cks4ils> how can i hook my laptop up a monitor?
[12:35] <critter> upgrading to hoary to mean for a nebie like Me :)
[12:35] <KarlosII> hmm
[12:35] <KarlosII> niran I'm thinking about it
[12:35] <bl4cks4ils> do i need to edit to XF86Config-4 file?
[12:35] <comunicaciones> This might be a problem with Hoary...
[12:35] <KING^^^> a few months ago a friend told me to edit something , but i forgot what
[12:35] <scizzo> KING^^^: /etc/X11/XFree86Config-4
[12:35] <scizzo> GAH
[12:35] <KING^^^> there i put 1280x1024 or anything and it worked
[12:35] <scizzo> XF86Config-4
[12:36] <KING^^^> thx
[12:36] <bl4cks4ils> what do i add in that file?
[12:36] <comunicaciones> if anyone added another user to hoary, and was able to use esound, please tell me how
[12:36] <bl4cks4ils> is there a doc on ubuntu's site i can look at?
[12:36] <niran> comunicaciones: try adding the new user to all the groups that you're in
[12:36] <comunicaciones> already did, same error
[12:36] <niran> oh.
[12:37] <comunicaciones> ok i just miss adm
[12:37] <niran> well that sucks.
[12:37] <comunicaciones> ill try again
[12:37] <comunicaciones> even with adm...
[12:38] <cg> is it possible to watch tv with a ATI card AIW?
[12:38] <tck> hmm mplayer isnt in my synaptic
[12:38] <cg> in hoary!!
[12:38] <NeoChaosX> it's there if you're using hoary
[12:39] <scizzo> tck: read the restricted formats styff
[12:39] <scizzo> stuff
[12:39] <tck> i did
[12:39] <mdke> tck, not enough
[12:39] <scizzo> did you read about the repositories?
[12:39] <tck> i think some of the .ie mirrors i use are broken
[12:40] <cg> nobody knows?
[12:40] <NeoChaosX> what is his problem?
[12:40] <Utnubu> cg: I have an AIW 9000 and an AIW pro
[12:41] <Utnubu> I was never able to use the AIW 9000 under Linux :-(
[12:41] <cg> Utnubu: it works in hoary?
[12:41] <mdke> tck, what messages do you get when you refresh?
[12:41] <el_cristiano> hi there
[12:41] <scizzo> time to sleep
[12:41] <Aron> hey guys - I'm looking for a package called Flex, it's in some repository or another but I can't remember where, and I just had to format yesterday :(
[12:41] <tck> i'll get it now
[12:41] <mdke> nite scizzo
[12:41] <Utnubu> Using the AIW pro was painfull. I bought a cheap tv card at ebay, that worked pretty well :-)
[12:41] <comunicaciones> It does the same: could not open resource for writting (Rhythmbox 0.8.8)
[12:42] <Aron> It's not in Universe, Multiverse, or Main...
[12:42] <Aron> at least not now
[12:42] <Aron> I was sure it was in multiverse...
[12:42] <Utnubu> cg: I tried the AIWs under Debian unstable not under ubuntu, but i guess the results will be similar under ubuntu
[12:42] <fleebailey66> im trying to connect warty tp a 2wire wifi card. its not reconizing it any ideas?
[12:42] <fleebailey66> to*
[12:42] <Utnubu> cg: Take a look at gatos.sourceforge.net
[12:43] <NeoChaosX> Aron: it should be in the repositories. tried searching with synaptic?
[12:43] <comunicaciones> only thing i have not tried is sudo xmms :(
[12:43] <Aron> NeoChaos: That's what I'm doing.
[12:43] <Yomic> Anyone have any idea why Ubuntu is running so slow on my machine?
[12:43] <el_cristiano> got a little problem with sane. it's looking good so far, ive installed the newest version of sane-backends from sane-project.org and the module is loaded. even my scanner light is turned on now :) but xsane, sane-find-scanner and scanimage can't recognize my scanner. what am i doing wrong?
[12:43] <NeoChaosX> Main, specifically
[12:43] <comunicaciones> ill do just for fun
[12:43] <NeoChaosX> Huh, weird. I see flex in my synaptic listings
[12:43] <Aron> w00t it suddenly appears!
[12:44] <NeoChaosX> Ah, good
[12:44] <Aron> I had to do an apt-get update, the previous one must've failed without a message or somesuch
[12:44] <NeoChaosX> Yeah
[12:44] <Aron> probably when my Internet connection died, I thought it finished but I guess not
[12:44] <comunicaciones> hehehe, nope, even sudo wont do !
[12:44] <comunicaciones> thats weird, the default user can use Esound just fine.. how come nothing else can???
[12:45] <Yomic> Anyone have any idea why Ubuntu is running so slow on my machine? I have a (cheap ass) 700Mhz processor with 312Mb RAM.
[12:45] <johso> hmm, where do you get GnomeBaker in a deb package?
[12:45] <NeoChaosX> Yomic: use a smaller windows/desktop manager
[12:45] <Yomic> What do you suggest?
[12:46] <NeoChaosX> XFCE is good from what I've heard
[12:46] <woodwizzle> just curious, but anyone here tried NeroLinux yet?
[12:46] <Yomic> Alright.
[12:46] <spiderworm> sudo -s instead of su - ???
[12:46] <NeoChaosX> GNOME (and KDE) can be slow on older systems
[12:47] <el_cristiano> NeoChaosX: you forgot the (tm) :)
[12:47] <NeoChaosX> cris: Why would I need that?
[12:47] <johso> nm
[12:47] <woodwizzle> I like XFCE4 a lot, especially computers that need a lightweight system. However I would think 700mhz and 312mb of ram would be MORE than enough for gnome
[12:47] <speedy2782> I am looking for a tutor to help me through a wifi setup
[12:47] <Aron> *blinkblink* gcc not found? @_@...lol *goes and gets it*
[12:47] <r1sible> comunicaciones: try setting auto_spawn=1 in /etc/esound/esd.conf , log out, log in again then try your sound
[12:47] <speedy2782> I am using ndiswrapper
[12:47] <mjr> yah, Yomic's box seems quite enough for gnome
[12:47] <comunicaciones> roger
[12:47] <speedy2782> I need a ndiswrapper tutor
[12:47] <apokryphos> Yomic: kde is good :P
[12:47] <mjr> memory is critical, and that there is
[12:47] <speedy2782> who is he man?
[12:48] <speedy2782> who can help a 4 day old newb?
[12:48] <speedy2782> I have installed the .inf and have not been able to access the AP
[12:48] <el_cristiano> hmm, nobody got an idea whats wrong with my scanner-setup? :)
[12:49] <Yomic> It seems to lag (especially noticable with opening Firefox and it takes 7-8 seconds to open *_*)
[12:49] <speedy2782> when I dhclient I don't get anything back
[12:49] <NeoChaosX> maybe it's the hardware?
[12:49] <r1sible> Aron, sudo apt-get install build-essential
[12:49] <speedy2782> I have used two different wifi cars
[12:49] <r1sible> oh he left...
[12:51] <Yomic> mrj & apokryphos: Any idea why GNOME would be lagging so badly on it?
[12:52] <Yomic> mjr*
[12:52] <KING^^^> why i can't find xine-ui ?
[12:52] <NeoChaosX> to anybody that has also upgraded to Hoary: did you have problems with the Marillat repositories after updating?
[12:52] <KING^^^> to install it
[12:53] <mdke> NeoChaosX, what do you need marillat for?
[12:53] <NeoChaosX> just wondering
[12:53] <jintxo> NeoChaosX, the only problem I have is that mplayer doesn't like my lirc setup, but otherwise works ok
[12:53] <NeoChaosX> Ah
[12:53] <mdke> NeoChaosX, i was gonna say, most packages are now in universe/multiverse
[12:53] <NeoChaosX> Yeah, I've noticed that
[12:54] <mdke> NeoChaosX, they are generally preferably because they are specifically built for ubuntu
[12:54] <el_cristiano> jintxo: what has mplayer got to do with lirc?!
[12:54] <NeoChaosX> yeah, I just learned that trying to install Mplayer yesterday
[12:54] <mdke> NeoChaosX, yeah :)
[12:54] <jintxo> el_cristiano, well it has lirc support...
[12:54] <el_cristiano> hmm
[12:54] <mdke> NeoChaosX, w32codecs is still not in multiverse tho iirc
[12:54] <NeoChaosX> Yeah, that's my only complaint
[12:54] <bob2> surprisingly
[12:54] <mdke> i just add marillat and remove it
[12:55] <jintxo> which btw does not work on my system
[12:55] <bob2> since no one on earth has permission to distribute it
[12:55] <el_cristiano> anyone who mastered sane in here? ;)
[12:55] <NeoChaosX> For now, I'm just getting the codecs from the MPlayer site and extracting them to /usr/share/win32
[12:55] <mdke> bob2, irony ;)
[12:55] <KING^^^> why i can't find xine-ui ?
[12:55] <LeeColleton> bob2: well, MS can distribute it
[12:55] <bob2> KING^^^: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[12:55] <bob2> KING^^^: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[12:55] <bob2> LeeColleton: no, it's not even all from them
[12:56] <bob2> it has Real codecs and such
[12:56] <LeeColleton> maybe we could ask them nicely for permission to include it with Ubuntu
[12:56] <mdke> xine-ui is in universe
[12:56] <bob2> and quicktime
[12:56] <PacoBCN> seems that at last the last array detects USB keyboards at boot
[12:56] <mdke> bob2, there are opensource real and quicktime players tho right?
[12:56] <LeeColleton> I mean include it in multiverse
[12:56] <ad-rock> hi yall
[12:56] <bob2> mdke: not for real, afaik
[12:56] <el_cristiano> mdke: mplayer can play *.movs at least
[12:56] <mdke> bob2, realalternative
[12:57] <bob2> LeeColleton: no, no one at all can distribute that tarball
[12:57] <mdke> used to use it on windows
[12:57] <mjr> "quicktime" doesn't really say anything about the codecs; for some codecs commonly encapsulated into qt, there are free implementations; for some, not
[12:57] <LeeColleton> bob2: what if they live in a country with lax copyright laws, like Russia?
[12:57] <r1sible> LeeColleton: any guesses on the odds against MS agreeing to let a linux distro use their codecs?
[12:57] <mdke> www.free-codecs.com
[12:57] <quarupt> can i borrow someone who has a full sources list for hoary's list?
[12:57] <bob2> mdke: "ou do need a player that is capable of playing RealMedia and the included Media player "
[12:58] <bob2> mdke: it requires the codecs from somewhere
[12:58] <mdke> it supplies the codecs i believe
[12:58] <mdke> it uses the opensource version of WMP
[12:58] <PacoBCN> MULTIMEDIA CODECS: Can any of you see this stream video? mms://vmedia.tin.it/LA7-180K
[12:58] <bob2> quarupt: er, you have one already. /etc/apt/sources.list.
[12:58] <cocol> http://real.com/linux
[12:58] <quarupt> not a "full" one lol
[12:58] <boobytrapped> Hi all. I am just wondering if anybody has got a USB audio device working on warty.
[12:58] <bob2> mdke: that seems unlikely, since it links to free-codecs.com.
[12:59] <mdke> bob2, the features list looks promising
[12:59] <zenwhen> hey bob2: how would I keep the module "pcspkr" from loadng at boot
[12:59] <miausX> hi!
[12:59] <mdke> hi miausX
[12:59] <bob2> mdke: yes, but it still requires non-free codecs
[12:59] <miausX> hi mdke :)
[12:59] <bob2> zenwhen: /etc/hotplug/blacklist, presumably
[01:00] <zenwhen> thanks
[01:00] <mdke> bob2, they need to rename that website i guess
[01:00] <david> hello all
[01:00] <apokryphos> quarupt: Mine: www.youmortals.com/stuff/sources.list. Comment out as appropriate.
[01:00] <david> I need help to diagnose a kernel panic
[01:01] <zenwhen> bob2, thanks
[01:01] <david> is anyone willing to help me ?
[01:01] <bob2> david: file a bug, if you think your ram is ok and no one else has
[01:02] <bob2> unless it's panicing on boot because you compiled a broken kernel
[01:02] <mdke> guys is it sufficient in the current hoary to just have one line in /etc/apt/sources.list?
[01:02] <bob2> there's no "sufficient"
[01:03] <mdke> i don't understand the security... update business
[01:03] <bob2> if you want access to the whole Hoary archive, one line is enough
[01:03] <bob2> there are no security updates yet, afaik
[01:03] <mdke> ok
[01:03] <david> it is not after update
[01:03] <mdke> cool so just deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted universe multiverse?
[01:03] <david> kernel panic just like this
[01:03] <mdke> thanks bob2
[01:04] <david> kernel panic : attempt to kill init
[01:04] <mdke> bob2, are you the aussie bob?
[01:04] <binbrain> few things. I just installed unbuntu on my ibook
[01:04] <shevegen> ok, ubuntu is working except for my internet connection (am on a live cd right now). My newbie question, anyone knows what I need to change?
[01:04] <binbrain> and I can't figure out what right click is
[01:04] <bob2> mdke: I'm in australia, yeah...
[01:04] <binbrain> different from deb
[01:04] <binbrain> and also, is there an equiv to deb's unstable
[01:05] <r1sible> binbrain: F11 and F12
[01:05] <binbrain> for sources.list
[01:05] <mdke> bob2, i remember chatting to you on here when you were over in the uk last year
[01:05] <bob2> binbrain: hoary
[01:05] <Laney> How can I enable/disable my tv-out port?
[01:05] <bob2> mdke: ah, right
[01:05] <binbrain> ok, so hoary is testing
[01:05] <bob2> binbrain: no
[01:05] <mdke> bob2, hope you're doing well
[01:05] <bob2> binbrain: there's just warty and hoary atm, stable and nustable
[01:05] <binbrain> no,, warty
[01:05] <bob2> mdke: heh, i am, thanks
[01:05] <binbrain> is installed right now
[01:05] <mdke> :)
[01:06] <binbrain> warty is stable, hoary is unstable
[01:06] <binbrain> so I need to switch it to hoary then right
[01:06] <wjesus_axl> how do u sign in
[01:06] <mdke> bob2, since you're here would you pass your eyes over https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7602 and let me know if there is something obvious i am missing
[01:07] <wjesus_axl> hoe do u get into the mdos thingy
[01:07] <r1sible> mdos thingy ? :/
[01:07] <mdke> wjesus_axl, put in your username and password
[01:08] <bob2> binbrain: no, you don't "need" to
[01:08] <mdke> is the usual regime
[01:08] <mdke> binbrain, warty is good :)
[01:08] <wjesus_axl> im confused
[01:08] <binbrain> mdke, i need to bleed
[01:08] <mdke> binbrain, how come?
[01:08] <binbrain> warty isn't bleeding is it
[01:08] <bob2> wjesus_axl: what are you trying to do?
[01:08] <wjesus_axl> im a dam comfused bitch
[01:08] <binbrain> hehe
[01:09] <KING^^^> how can i install my video card ?
[01:09] <binbrain> mdke, so for ppc you suggest not bleeding?
[01:09] <wjesus_axl> U PLUG IT IN
[01:09] <mdke> binbrain, i would never recommend bleeding
[01:09] <wjesus_axl> WAT IS BLEEDING
[01:09] <mdke> heh
[01:09] <binbrain> i bleed in debian ppc and had very few issues
[01:09] <bob2> wjesus_axl: please stop it
[01:09] <r1sible> wjesus_axl: please, caps lock
[01:10] <mdke> wjesus_axl, yeah, no caps. Describe your problem and we will help ya
[01:10] <wjesus_axl> Y
[01:10] <mdke> caps are aggressive
[01:10] <r1sible> wjesus_axl: you don't need to scream
[01:10] <bob2> mdke: hah, weird...I've noticed weird stuff happening when I take down an interface, too
[01:10] <wjesus_axl> FINE ILL GO NOW
[01:10] <mdke> bob2, no way?
[01:10] <gilles> i always have the following error msg in synaptics: "W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907"
[01:10] <gilles> how to fix it ?
[01:10] <NeoChaosX> remove the marillat repositories
[01:10] <bob2> gilles: import the key with apt-key
[01:11] <mdke> gilles, check the RestrictedFormats wiki in the marillat section for more info
[01:11] <mdke> *wiki page
[01:11] <hone> what do I have ot enable in the kernel to get cpufreqd?
[01:11] <gilles> bob2: with what command ? apt-key what ?
[01:11] <mdke> hone, it is already there. but only some chips are supported
[01:12] <eruin> I wish the ubuntu kernels came with support for my sata chipset
[01:12] <eruin> dma support....
[01:12] <mdke> bob2, i have another ridiculous bug, where if I put cds/ipod in, they mount but don't appear on the desktop
[01:12] <hone> mdke: I'm compilinga custom kernel
[01:12] <bob2> hone: nothing, it's enabled by default
[01:12] <mdke> hone, ok then cpufreq would help
[01:12] <hone> mdke: where is that
[01:12] <bob2> mdke: I've heard of that happening before
[01:13] <mdke> hone, near the top somewhere
[01:13] <hone> mdke: you know what it is in .config?
[01:13] <mdke> hone, in the acpi/apm section
[01:13] <mdke> hone, can't tell you more specifically than that, i don't have source installed
[01:13] <woodwizzle> Is totem playback kinda sketchy for anyone else in here on hoary?
[01:13] <mdke> bob2, you are reassuring me... i thought it was just my system
[01:14] <NeoChaosX> woodwizzle: I've had audio problems with WMVs in Totem
[01:14] <mdke> woodwizzle, dvd?
[01:14] <robtaylor> woodwizzle: yes, this is dues to a number of things
[01:14] <robtaylor> 1st off, install esound
[01:14] <hone> # CPU Frequency scaling
[01:14] <hone> #
[01:14] <hone> CONFIG_CPU_FREQ=y
[01:15] <robtaylor> as polypaudio is now being removed from hoary
[01:15] <hone> isnt' that it?
[01:15] <mdke> hone, that'll do. what is your chip tho?
[01:15] <KING^^^> artur@ubuntu:~ $ sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[01:15] <KING^^^> Error: your XFree86 configuration has been altered.
[01:15] <KING^^^> This script cannot proceed automatically. If you believe that this
[01:15] <KING^^^> not correct, you can update the md5sum entry executing the following
[01:15] <KING^^^> command:
[01:15] <KING^^^> sudo md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum
[01:15] <mdke> hone, why in gods name are you recompiling btw?
[01:15] <KING^^^> otherwise edit manually /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 to change the Driver section
[01:15] <KING^^^> from nv to nvidia.
[01:15] <KING^^^> why ?
[01:15] <mdke> KING^^^, that is too much pasting
[01:15] <KING^^^> sorry
[01:15] <bob2> KING^^^: it seems pretty clear
[01:15] <bob2> KING^^^: you edited that file
[01:15] <KING^^^> yes to add more resolutions
[01:15] <robtaylor> and then the remaining issue is that the gstreamer esd sink  doesnt have delay calcuclation, which i'm working on atm
[01:15] <bob2> so...
[01:16] <shevegen> hmm how do i use dhcp ? my ubuntu install has no internet connection atm
[01:16] <binbrain> mdke: sorry, /me going bleeding hoary
[01:16] <robtaylor> woodwizzle: for my machine i run esound but also set up a alsa dmix device and make the gstreamer sink alsasink
[01:16] <KING^^^> so ... what do i have to do bob2 ?
[01:16] <mdke> binbrain, what is the reason?
[01:16] <robtaylor> that seeems to work quite well
[01:16] <mdke> KING^^^, it tells you doesn't it?
[01:17] <binbrain> mdke: stable is no fun
[01:17] <mdke> woodwizzle, he said: robtaylor woodwizzle: for my machine i run esound but also set up a alsa dmix device and make the gstreamer sink alsasink
[01:17] <mdke> binbrain, sure it is
[01:17] <bob2> KING^^^: ?
[01:17] <comunicaciones> Thanks, that seemed to solve the problem with Esound
[01:17] <mdke> binbrain, unstable is not fun
[01:17] <r1sible> KING^^^: did you *happen* to read what it said?
[01:17] <woodwizzle> NeoChaosX, I'm having audio troubles with an AVI
[01:17] <binbrain> mdke: maybe I could help find some bugs on the way
[01:17] <bob2> KING^^^: change it back
[01:17] <NeoChaosX> Oh, I see
[01:17] <mdke> binbrain, yes that is true
[01:17] <bob2> KING^^^: or edit the file manually
[01:17] <woodwizzle> mdke, Hmm I'll try that
[01:17] <rkn> So much
[01:17] <rkn> argh
[01:18] <mdke> woodwizzle, i have no idea, i was just pasting in case you hasn't seen it
[01:18] <mdke> cos you pinged out maybe
[01:18] <rkn> So how much extra "Just Work" stuff does ubuntu have over debian?
[01:18] <woodwizzle> Yeah, I got discoes, thanks =)
[01:18] <woodwizzle> s/discoes/discoed
[01:18] <bob2> try it and see
[01:18] <mdke> :)
[01:18] <KING^^^> change the Driver section
[01:18] <KING^^^> from nv to nvidia.
[01:18] <NeoChaosX> robtaylor: They're removing polypaudio? Why is that?
[01:18] <KING^^^> i have done it
[01:18] <woodwizzle> rkn: When I installed hoary. My cpu frequency scaling and wifi were automatically setup and configured
[01:19] <Yomic> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=19869 <---- Which of these files (in 2.4.4) do I need to install this desktop?
[01:19] <krod> how long does ubuntu take to send CDs?
[01:19] <KING^^^> but it doesn't work
[01:19] <woodwizzle> Both of those have been VERY hard for me to setup in other distros
[01:19] <mdke> woodwizzle, that is flair
[01:19] <robtaylor> NeoChaosX: various upstream issues that can't be fixed in time for hoary
[01:19] <bob2> KING^^^: then you did something wrong
[01:19] <bob2> KING^^^: read the instructions again
[01:19] <NeoChaosX> Hm, I see
[01:19] <mdke> woodwizzle, no firmware needed even?
[01:19] <bob2> krod: I don't think any more ar going out until after hoary
[01:19] <krod> how long does ubuntu take to send CDs? ^^
[01:19] <krod> oh ok
[01:19] <robtaylor> NeoChaosX: i think upstream has disapeared actually =)
[01:19] <bob2> krod: no need to keep repating over and over
[01:19] <Yomic> krod: 4-6 weeks
[01:19] <krod> because i have been waiting for about 2 months :)
[01:19] <woodwizzle> mdke, nope, It just worked =)
[01:19] <NeoChaosX> Hm
[01:20] <mdke> woodwizzle, that is immense
[01:20] <mdke> what wifi card? i want one] 
[01:20] <krod> sorry bob2
[01:20] <quarupt> NERO linux port!!!!!
[01:20] <NeoChaosX> So I guess I'll have to set up an ALSA mixing device again?
[01:20] <mdke> quarupt, yep
[01:20] <quarupt> YAY
[01:20] <woodwizzle> mdke, Its not a card. Its a centrino chip in a laptop
[01:20] <mdke> quarupt, it works too
[01:20] <rkn> So is the ubuntu installer just d-i?  It should behave sanely and not blow away my existing data, right?
[01:20] <r1sible> quarupt: old news...
[01:20] <mdke> woodwizzle, oh super cool
[01:20] <quarupt> not for me i just heard
[01:20] <quarupt> is it free?
[01:20] <bob2> rkn: it's based on d-i, yes
[01:20] <bob2> quarupt: no
[01:20] <JDahl> quarupt, it a crippled version... not better than OS alternatives
[01:20] <mdke> quarupt, nope you have to pay
[01:20] <bob2> why does everyone care about nero so much?
[01:21] <bob2> cd burning seems pretty boring
[01:21] <NeoChaosX> well, strange, polypaudio isn't installed
[01:21] <mdke> so far it is the only burner which detects my drive actually
[01:21] <NeoChaosX> I wonder how I'm getting sound in multiple apps
[01:21] <woodwizzle> mdke, Yeah I couldn't believe it. It was such a pain to set up that in Arch linux. And I've never gotten frequency scaling working before
[01:21] <mdke> on ubuntu at least
[01:21] <Yomic> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=19869 <---- Which of these files (in 2.4.4) do I need to install this desktop?
[01:21] <mdke> NeoChaosX, esd?
[01:21] <hone> what's this firmware imgae thing
[01:21] <hone> for the ipw2100?
[01:21] <mdke> hone, why why why are you recompiling?
[01:21] <tritium> NeoChaosX, Hoary?  they're switching back to esound anyway...
[01:21] <hone> mdke: trackpoint support
[01:21] <hone> mdke: wacom tablet
[01:21] <NeoChaosX> Tritium: Yeah, I've got Hoary
[01:21] <hone> mdke: and suspend to disk
[01:22] <mdke> hmm
[01:22] <mdke> we have suspend to disk don't we?
[01:22] <NeoChaosX> I dist-upgraded the day of the preview release
[01:22] <bob2> Yomic: you really don't need to repeat over and over
[01:22] <quarupt> wanyone know a support chan for the GATOS project?
[01:22] <NeoChaosX> I think I may have saved my config files from Warty, don't exactly remember how
[01:22] <tritium> NeoChaosX, yeah, that's the plan
[01:22] <bob2> hone: um, ubuntu includes suspend to disk
[01:22] <bob2> in hoary
[01:23] <bob2> Yomic: also, xfce is IN ubuntu
[01:23] <bob2> Yomic: you don't download any of those files
[01:23] <hone> bob2: in warty there is no suspend to disk
[01:23] <Yomic> Hello, bob2. It seems that no one likes to answer my questions (sans a few). Out of the last 10 questions I asked in here, 2 where answered.
[01:23] <Yomic> Btw: Thanks for the help XD
[01:23] <hone> bob2: but mainnly it's for the trackpoint/wacom
[01:23] <bob2> Yomic: er?
[01:23] <Yomic> were*
[01:24] <mdke> IMO its ok to repeat questions. People often answer the 2nd or 3rd time.
[01:24] <r1sible> Yomic: maybe something to do with how you asked then?
[01:24] <bob2> Yomic: if people don't know, they won't answer
[01:24] <bob2> mdke: not twice in 2 minutes
[01:24] <bob2> Yomic: and repeating over and over makes it less likely for people to help you
[01:24] <mdke> heh
[01:24] <mdke> anyway
[01:24] <mdke> nite all
[01:24] <Yomic> bob2: I realize that, but once it goes off screen it's kinda hard for them to know the probleam, ay?
[01:25] <bob2> no
[01:25] <Yomic> Okay.
[01:25] <miausX> nite :)
[01:26] <r1sible> Yomic: wait until a few more people have joined  before repeating and wait for a decent intervel - maybe 15 minutes
[01:26] <Yomic> rlsible: Sounds reasonable.
[01:28] <hone> bob2: what's wrong w/ compiling your own kernel?
[01:28] <bob2> nothing
[01:29] <bob2> it's just pointless make-work for 99% of people
[01:29] <r1sible> Yomic: also, you assumed you needed some files you didn't need - maybe a better question would have been "Can I install xfce in Ubuntu? Where should I look?"
[01:30] <hone> bob2: but not all the features are support in the ubuntu kernel
[01:30] <hone> bob2: well, stuff you need ot use the source to compile stuff
[01:31] <bob2> hone: for example?
[01:32] <bob2> if something isn't supported by default, it should be
[01:32] <Yomic> rlsible: But I knew where xfce was and was aware that it could be installed. I was not aware that it was already in Ubuntu.
[01:32] <Yomic> isntalled in Ubuntu*
[01:32] <hone> bob2: dunno when I tried ot use hibernate
[01:32] <Yomic> installed*
[01:32] <hone> bob2: said it wasn't built in my kernel
[01:33] <Yomic> But thanks for the suggestions anyways. ;)
[01:33] <r1sible> Yomic: sure - you did some legwork: it was the framing of the question  :)
[01:34] <quarupt> when you drink pop, are you removing pop or adding air?
[01:35] <hone> bob2: trying to get my wacom to work really badly
[01:35] <hone> bob2: input is all crazy
[01:35] <hone> bob2: or doesn't work
[01:35] <quarupt> man Kaffine is an awesome media player
[01:36] <Yomic> ;P
[01:37] <Yomic> By the way, how would I go about changing my desktop environment? ^_^'
[01:37] <evilbutters> I just istalled Ubuntu and when I go to start it up, the XSEVER starts but my montior says Screen Resolution to big, but I can start in safe mode and type in a command to the root so I was wondering what do I type in to fix this prolbem?
[01:38] <evilbutters> any help woul be appreciated
[01:39] <evilbutters> would*
[01:39] <el_cristiano> im having problems getting my scanner to work alright. I downloaded sane-backends from sane-project.org and installed it already, even the lamp of my scanner is on, but neither scanimage nor sane-find-scanner nor xsane recognize my plustek p12
[01:39] <FR500> where can i get info on wpasupplicant?
[01:39] <Blacksad> Hi, I have a small question, is the hoary preview  subject to breakage like the preceding pre-release version? or can I install it without much worries?
[01:40] <el_cristiano> Blacksad: I installed it today. Its working like a charm
[01:40] <Placain> I am trying to share a folder on my ubuntu server using SMB. I selected 'read only' and 'allow browsing folder' in the dialog box, and it created a set of lines in my smb.conf for me where public=yes, but when I try to connect to that share from a windows machine, it asks for a username and password. Even if I give a valid username and password, it still won't connect.
[01:40] <el_cristiano> Blacksad: no problems so far, except of my scanner %)
[01:40] <binbrain> anything less then Hoary is uncivilized
[01:40] <FR500> el_cristiano:  did u update from warty or clean install?
[01:41] <el_cristiano> FR500: clean install -> preview cd
[01:41] <tck> hmm i have 'multiverse' in sources
[01:41] <el_cristiano> im so sad nobodys helping me :*(
[01:41] <Blacksad> evilbutters, try nano /etc/X11/X86Config-4 and change the screen resolution in the file
[01:41] <tck> but w32codecs wont install
[01:41] <FR500> el_cristiano:  is there a way to upgrade?
[01:41] <tck> sais its referenced by another, any ideas peeps ?
[01:41] <FR500> el_cristiano:  do you have repositories
[01:42] <el_cristiano> FR500: dunno if you can upgrade, i think i saw something in the wiki
[01:42] <el_cristiano> wait a sec
[01:42] <Blacksad> el_cristiano, binbrain: thanks
[01:43] <el_cristiano> FR500: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[01:43] <el_cristiano> Blacksad: np
[01:43] <binbrain> Blacksad: just as a warning I have never used Ubuntu before today
[01:43] <FR500> el_cristiano:  what help do you need?
[01:43] <el_cristiano> im having problems getting my scanner to work alright. I downloaded sane-backends from sane-project.org and installed it already, even the lamp of my scanner is on, but neither scanimage nor sane-find-scanner nor xsane recognize my plustek p12
[01:43] <binbrain> so take el_cristiano's word for it
[01:44] <gilles> Despite my fstab containing (/dev/hda1 /mnt/winsys ntfs user,noauto,ro,exec,umask=0 0 0), the ntfs partition is not recognized
[01:44] <gilles> why?
[01:44] <evilbutters> Blacksad its saying no such file or directory
[01:46] <el_cristiano> gilles: try to remove the white spaces @ umask    = umask=0000   aaaaaaaah error, 0000 would mean read/write, but theres no writing support for ntfs
[01:46] <el_cristiano> use 0222 instead so you can read/execute
[01:47] <evilbutters> I just istalled Ubuntu and when I go to start it up, the XSEVER starts but my montior says Screen Resolution to big, but I can start in safe mode and type in a command to the root so I was wondering what do I type in to fix this prolbem?
[01:47] <Blacksad> evilbutters,  I thought that you were using warty, while you might be using hoary, then type nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:48] <evilbutters> let me try that
[01:49] <evilbutters> it works
[01:49] <Yomic> How do I change my desktop environment (or where can I go to find out how?)
[01:49] <gilles> if i don't remove the noauto, how can i mount it manually ?
[01:49] <evilbutters> but takes me to a screen with a bunch of options
[01:49] <evilbutters> which do I choose Blacksad
[01:50] <r1sible> Yomic: if you mean xfce, if you have the right repositories set, you can just do ` sudo apt-get install xfce `
[01:50] <Yomic> Okay, thanks.
[01:50] <r1sible> Yomic: is that what you mean?
[01:51] <r1sible> Yomic: do you have universe enabled in your repository sources?
[01:51] <Yomic> I don't know. I have messed with much system-wise; I am a linux noob
[01:52] <SidDithersL> does anyone here know whats wrong with this? in my wpa_dhcp it gives me an error on this line: if [[ $STATUS -ne 1 ] ] , saying that the error token is "$"
[01:52] <SidDithersL> whats wrong with that line?
[01:52] <r1sible> Yomic: OK - in the synaptic package manager, go to settings,  repositories and tick all the boxes
[01:53] <r1sible> Yomic: you know where to find the package manager, right?
[01:53] <mlambie> is there a daemon that will wake a suspended machine up when battery hits 2% and force a hibernation?
[01:54] <r1sible> Yomic:  in warty,  Computer >> system config >> synaptic
[01:54] <geneo93> 2% is kinda low
[01:55] <r1sible> Yomic: found it?
[01:55] <Yomic> Yup, all are checked.
[01:55] <r1sible> hit reload
[01:55] <SidDithersL> anybody know?
[01:56] <r1sible> Yomic: that will update your source lists
[01:56] <quarupt> how do ya reconfigure xorg again? dpkg-reconfigure xorg  ???
[01:56] <r1sible> Yomic: then you can search the list for Xfce
[01:56] <Yomic> Okay... Done.
[01:56] <StoffBox-Steve> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg quarupt
[01:56] <Yomic> Alrighty.
[01:56] <r1sible> quarupt: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:57] <geneo93> well my disk use issue was solved with fsck
[01:57] <r1sible> Yomic: you can use synaptic to install it, or the command line (synaptic is easier for you)
[01:58] <Yomic> I have been installing things with apt-get recently.
[01:58] <andrewski> is there any documentation on setting up a scanner in ubuntu?  (or even something general)
[01:58] <geneo93> Yomic:  do a apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:58] <r1sible> Yomic: the only problem you might have is getting xfce to load from the login (GDM)
[01:58] <zentop> nvidia is broken how
[01:58] <zentop> re: the topic
[01:59] <el_cristiano> andrewski: yes, wait a sec
[01:59] <andrewski> el_cristiano: sure, thanks.
[01:59] <geneo93> r1sible:  its got kde in it so xfce wont be a problem
[01:59] <sysrq> zentop: the driver randomly stops working and you have to reinstall the driver to get it working again
[02:00] <zentop> you mean the official package or the one from the repos?
[02:00] <zentop> its been running fine for me all day
[02:00] <sysrq> I know the nvidia installer does, not sure about the ones in the repos
[02:00] <zentop> oh
[02:00] <r1sible> geneo93: in warty, when I installed xfce it wasn't in the list, as far as I can remember
[02:01] <sysrq> it doesn't stop when you are running
[02:01] <sysrq> just after reboots
[02:01] <zentop> well I am still using 6229 from the repos
[02:01] <mlambie> 2% was a number I made up. i mean when the battery is just about to die, it un-suspends and hibernates instead
[02:01] <r1sible> geneo93: I may be wrong though
[02:01] <binbrain> ok, having a problem with right clicking on my ibook
[02:01] <binbrain> any help here
[02:01] <andrewski> r1sible: it's in universe, but it's the 4.0 branch.  currently, xfce is on 4.2
[02:01] <geneo93> hmm well i think it takes a reboot or two r1sible
[02:01] <r1sible> binbrain: use the F11 and f12 keys to emulate the buttons
[02:02] <SidDithersL> who here uses wpa_supplicant?
[02:03] <r1sible> andrewski: no, I meant "appearing in the GDM list" for session choice :)
[02:03] <el_cristiano> andrewski: well, which good tips could fit your need now... hmm, i thought there was a guide anywhere, but i guess i am talking about the forum, ill look around a bit .... its just that ive been working for 3-4h now to get my plustek p12 working
[02:03] <mlambie> SidDithersL: is that for roaming between APs?
[02:03] <SidDithersL> it's for using WPA protection on your laptop
[02:03] <SidDithersL> at least thats what I was told
[02:03] <andrewski> el_cristiano: oh, i forgot about looking in the forums; i just searched the wiki.  so there's good stuff out there?
[02:04] <r1sible> binbrain: you might need to touch the fn keys as well, but I'm unsure on that as I'm not on my iBook atm
[02:04] <mlambie> SidDithersL: http://0pointer.de/lennart/projects/waproamd/ -- it migh tbe for WPA but I'v ehead people using it for roaming access
[02:04] <Yomic> geneo32: So that apt-get command will do what Synaptics would have done?
[02:05] <tranceconscious> HELP!!!! I'm gonna smash the damn thing
[02:05] <tranceconscious> I'm really pissed off
[02:06] <tranceconscious> What am I asking for?
[02:06] <StoffBox-Steve> can i install ubuntu from harddrive w/o cd ?
[02:06] <Yomic> transconcious: I will help you... smash it.
[02:06] <r1sible> Yomic, no , he was recommending you upgrade the whole system to the most recent security updates etc
[02:06] <geneo93> yes well that to get actual updates what you did was just update the sources Yomic
[02:06] <tck> does anyone elses mplayer (hoary) run without X
[02:06] <tranceconscious> To set up a display driver, and a modem dial up connection with callback
[02:06] <Yomic> I see.
[02:06] <bryan_> nero for linux looks promising
[02:06] <binbrain> rlsible, the f11 and f12 keys don't work and holding fn well I press them don't work either
[02:06] <SidDithersL> lol mlambie I dont think waproamd is what im looking for
[02:07] <tck> bryan_, you dont have a copy of it do you ?
[02:07] <geneo93> apt-get update the apt-get dist-upgrade Yomic
[02:07] <bryan_> i do
[02:07] <SidDithersL> especially when their website specifically tells me to use wpa_supplicant instead :P
[02:07] <tck> bryan_, you gonna stick it up anywhere ?
[02:07] <r1sible> binbrain: hmm - I'll boot up my iBook - hang on
[02:07] <tranceconscious> can someone help me please?
[02:07] <geneo93> Yomic:  just do a apt-get --help
[02:08] <el_cristiano> andrewski: i can just tell you what i found out what i have to do for my printer, that was: go to www.sane-project.org and download the sane-backends, then read the docs etc. and install the stuff, and you just gotta follow the docs, thats it .. (not for me, but who cares? :))
[02:08] <binbrain> rlsible: cntrl seems to work with f10
[02:08] <sysrq> tranceconscious: don't ask to be helped, ask a question and if someone can and is willing to help they will
[02:08] <Yomic> Will do once it is done updating
[02:08] <el_cristiano> andrewski: ftp://ftp.sane-project.org/pub/sane/sane-backends-1.0.15
[02:08] <andrewski> el_cristiano: aren't the sane backends available in ubuntu?
[02:08] <tranceconscious> I want to set up a dial up connection to my RAS with callback.
[02:09] <StoffBox-Steve> have ubuntu a netinstall / HDinstall like debian .. so i can install it without an CD ? ..
[02:09] <mlambie> SidDithersL: I was pointing out that waproamd was replaced with wpa_supplicant, which I thought was for roaming access between APs
[02:09] <el_cristiano> andrewski: i guess they're not, that would explain why i've read that in the forums :)
[02:10] <SidDithersL> oh
[02:11] <quarupt> man kde 3.4 at 1280x1024 is BEAUTIFUL
[02:11] <andrewski> quarupt: is 3.4 out now?
[02:11] <quarupt> yessir
[02:11] <Riddell> quarupt: you're welcome :)
[02:11] <andrewski> quarupt: in ubuntu?
[02:11] <tck> how's kubuntu coming along
[02:11] <quarupt> thx Riddel
[02:11] <Riddell> andrewski: preview
[02:11] <tck> anyone try it yet ?
[02:11] <el_cristiano> quarupt: kde 3.4 @ 1600x1200 @ 100hz is even better yummy
[02:11] <geneo93> yes and on ubuntu
[02:11] <andrewski> Riddell: hoary?
[02:11] <quarupt> Kubuntu uses 3.4
[02:11] <tck> nice
[02:11] <quarupt> with Hoary anyways
[02:11] <StoffBox-Steve> quarupt,  i run it with 1280x1024 :
[02:12] <Riddell> andrewski: yes, the packages are marked as preview because 3.4 isn't officially released yet
[02:12] <el_cristiano> andrewski: hoary uses 3.4 too
[02:12] <StoffBox-Steve> quarupt,  i run it with 1280x1024  its really nice :D
[02:12] <andrewski> Riddell: ah, i see what you mean.
[02:12] <r1sible> binbrain: interesting - fn-F12 gives me a right click on iBook G4
[02:12] <andrewski> i'll have to try it out. :D
[02:12] <geneo93> hoary wonder whats next
[02:12] <quarupt> i just wish i could get my 3d acel working now :(
[02:12] <geneo93> crockagator
[02:13] <quarupt> or maybe even GATOS
[02:13] <el_cristiano> quarupt: nvidia-graphic-card?
[02:13] <geneo93> quarupt:  what card is it
[02:14] <tranceconscious> has anybody succesfully configured a dial up connection to a win2k ras with callback???
[02:14] <el_cristiano> gatos is a driver for ati-cards, huh?
[02:14] <el_cristiano> yah it is
[02:14] <andrewski> el_cristiano: parallel port scanners... don't work with sane?
[02:14] <el_cristiano> can't help you with ati-cards
[02:15] <el_cristiano> andrewski: why do you think they won't?
[02:15] <andrewski> el_cristiano: sane-find-scanner says it doesn't look for them because they can't be detected.
[02:15] <andrewski> el_cristiano: which puts me at square one, at best.
[02:15] <el_cristiano> andrewski: that does not mean they can't be used
[02:15] <el_cristiano> try "sudo sane-find-scanner -p"
[02:16] <el_cristiano> and also "sudo scanimage -L"
[02:16] <andrewski> el_cristiano: nope.  i do need to load a driver first, right?
[02:16] <el_cristiano> yah
[02:17] <andrewski> el_cristiano: where do i find which one?  on sane's site?
[02:17] <el_cristiano> did you "sudo ./configure; sudo make; sudo make install" them before?
[02:17] <geneo93> sane backends
[02:17] <andrewski> el_cristiano: didn't get the backends. :)
[02:17] <andrewski> lol, i totally forgot.
[02:17] <el_cristiano> do so
[02:18] <tck> ok, have mplayer installed and w32codecs on hoary
[02:18] <r1sible> el_cristiano: sudo is only needed for "make install"
[02:18] <tck> still have problem playing a divx encoded .avi
[02:19] <el_cristiano> r1sible: it's late :)
[02:19] <tck> any suggestions ?
[02:19] <andrewski> el_cristiano: should i search to see if my driver is supported first?
[02:19] <r1sible> el_cristiano: :)
[02:19] <FR500> has anyone upgraded a warty install?
[02:19] <el_cristiano> little chatroom poll: what time is over *there*?
[02:19] <geneo93> yes me
[02:19] <andrewski> FR500: many have.  in fact, hoary preview has just been released.
[02:19] <el_cristiano> it's 2:19 here in Berlin/Germany
[02:19] <r1sible> FR500: lots of people :)
[02:19] <andrewski> el_cristiano: 20.19 here.
[02:19] <el_cristiano> yikes
[02:20] <eruin> FR500: my best guess would be "most people"
[02:20] <el_cristiano> what is "here"? :)
[02:20] <FR500> andrewski:  i mean, installed over keeping the data
[02:20] <r1sible> Mon Mar 14 12:20:09 EST 2005
[02:20] <andrewski> FR500: yes, i think many.
[02:20] <andrewski> FR500: i installed with warty, then upgraded.
[02:20] <cj> so... what authentication mechanisms does ubuntu use?
[02:20] <cj> does it still use /etc/shadow?
[02:20] <FR500> just put the cd and install over?
[02:20] <eruin> the new nvidia 7* drivers work with 2.6.10, 2.6.11 btw
[02:20] <cj> or is it using pam + mysql?
[02:20] <andrewski> FR500: just changed the online repositories.
[02:21] <FR500> hmmm
[02:21] <FR500> ok
[02:21] <FR500> that broke it forme last time, can it be done with th cd?
[02:21] <andrewski> el_cristiano: what if my scanner is not in the sane supported list?
[02:21] <eruin> cj: anything wrong with /etc/shadow ? :P
[02:21] <r1sible> FR500: probably with apt-cdrom add
[02:22] <cj> eruin: you mean beyond not scaling?
[02:22] <geneo93> andrewski:  then your SOL
[02:22] <eruin> cj: fair enough
[02:22] <FR500> r1sible:  gonna try, brb
[02:22] <el_cristiano> andrewski: which one is your scanner?
[02:22] <eruin> pam/mysql would be overkill for most desktop systems though :P
[02:22] <FR500> r1sible:  spent a lot of time getting warty to have all i want it to have soooooo
[02:22] <andrewski> el_cristiano: Visioneer OneTouch 7600
[02:24] <r1sible> FR500: I suggest you type apt-cdrom --help  first
[02:24] <dean1> I've got a device (Alphasmart Dana) which acts as a keyboard Human Input Device, which I'd like to disable, so I can use it for the USB hot-syncing similar to what I do with my (successfully setup) Handspring Visor.     Suggestions?
[02:24] <FR500> r1sible:  thanks
[02:24] <dean1> Sorry, It's a Palm OS based device. USB
[02:24] <sean13> \o/
[02:24] <sean13> success
[02:24] <el_cristiano> andrewski: 7600 or 7300? the 7600 is not listed at all
[02:25] <andrewski> el_cristiano: exactly. :/
[02:25] <FR500> r1sible:  and after that? apt-get dist-upgrade?
[02:26] <navreet> is it just me? or ubuntu REALLY BUGGY?  I've submitted ~7 bug reports in the past 36 hours
[02:26] <andrewski> navreet: warty or hoary?
[02:26] <r1sible> FR500: no, do  apt-cdrom add  to add the CD as a source first
[02:26] <tranceconscious> how do I configure a dial up connection with callback????
[02:26] <FR500> r1sible:  i did
[02:26] <navreet> andrewski, haory
[02:26] <tck> hmm i dont like the way they changed the applications menu
[02:26] <el_cristiano> andrewski: doesn't look good for you with sane. too bad
[02:26] <r1sible> FR500: Ok then do dist-upgrade
[02:26] <andrewski> navreet: well, it's still unstable.  and i submitted about that many in gentoo for a while.  it happens.
[02:26] <tck> before you could just add a program etc..
[02:27] <Grexo> ubuntu live cd gave me the regular one
[02:27] <geneo93> navreet:  its beta yet
[02:27] <navreet> andrewski, gentoo is OK... it's just a pain to manage stuff stuff
[02:27] <Grexo> i installed it and didnt realize it was mislabled on the website
[02:27] <Grexo> for the preview
[02:27] <navreet> geneo93, someone in here told me that it was more stable than warty
[02:27] <zenwhen> tck... it will be fixed in gnome 2.12
[02:27] <FR500> r1sible:  wish me luck
[02:27] <andrewski> navreet: all i'm saying is that bug reports aren't really much indication.
[02:27] <r1sible> FR500: you might want to comment out the warty sources
[02:27] <geneo93> well its not finished yet
[02:28] <FR500> r1sible:  it says only 51.8mb needed, i don't think thats right
[02:28] <cafuego> cj: Ubuntu uses pam, with md5 shadow passwords.
[02:28] <iminj> stable hoary scheduled to be released 1st week of April
[02:28] <r1sible> FR500: no, it's not right
[02:28] <navreet> andrewski, yeah... but it's like bad stuff.  Flash crashing firefox, getting properties on a (mp3) file crashing nautilus, etc.
[02:28] <cj> cafuego: okay.  is that configurable?
[02:28] <r1sible> FR500: did it scan your disk?
[02:28] <FR500> yes
[02:29] <cafuego> cj: ubuntu does not ask this.
[02:29] <geneo93> navreet:  it is some what better than warty but in some areas
[02:29] <andrewski> navreet: well, like i said, hoary is still unstable.  your bug reports will help make it better. :)
[02:29] <tck> xenwhen, shouldnt nautilus applications:///Internet work
[02:29] <cafuego> cj: I expect you can edit /etc/adduser.conf
[02:29] <tck> it doesnt seem too
[02:29] <r1sible> did you get rid of the warty sources? comment them out or whatever?
[02:29] <tck> bryan_, you there ?
[02:29] <FR500> may i rename sources.list ?
[02:30] <r1sible> FR500: no, because the hoary disc is now in that file (or should be)
[02:30] <navreet> tck, doesn't work for me either... can you file a bug report?
[02:30] <geneo93> sure but it will be null
[02:30] <amaperman> Hey. I am having trouble setting up my wireless USB adaptor with Ubuntu.
[02:30] <tck> is it a bug, or dy design !
[02:30] <tck> s/dy/by
[02:30] <amaperman> I go to Network administration but all I see is a greyed out ppp entry.
[02:30] <FR500> 416mb now
[02:30] <amaperman> My USB adaptor does show up in the device manager.
[02:31] <amaperman> How do I get access to the wlan0 interface?
[02:31] <FR500> moved the file and then ran apt-cdrom again
[02:31] <r1sible> FR500: sounds right
[02:31] <FR500> r1sible:  is there a way back besides reinstall?
[02:32] <navreet> tck, don't know
[02:32] <andrewski> el_cristiano: there's some info on google coming up; maybe i'm not doomed.
[02:32] <FR500> well if it breabs i'll stick to hoary and reconfigure everything
[02:32] <cj> cafuego: cool, I'll try that.
[02:32] <r1sible> FR500: hmm.... downgrading debian based distros is a messy business
[02:32] <FR500> ok
[02:32] <r1sible> FR500: I think you'll be fine
[02:33] <FR500> thanks a lot
[02:33] <r1sible> FR500: you'll want to update your online sources to hoary, of course
[02:33] <FR500> i'll let you know
[02:33] <tranceconscious> anyone knows how to set up a dial up conection with server callback????
[02:33] <FR500> r1sible:  any page on that?
[02:33] <geneo93> FR500:  i've never had any luck downgrading
[02:34] <r1sible> FR500: just use the warty one and change "warty" to "hoary" throughout
[02:34] <rever> I am trying to load jre what is the package called in apt
[02:34] <FR500> oh no, i mean on online sources for hoary
[02:34] <r1sible> FR500: that's how you do it ^^
[02:34] <FR500> okie
[02:35] <tranceconscious> exit
[02:35] <Grexo> We are visited and controlled by UFOs from the M15 Globular Star Cluster  the densest Black Hole driven Core Cluster  the capital of the Universe
[02:35] <Grexo> oops wrong channel
[02:35] <r1sible> haha
[02:35] <Yomic> Rofl
[02:35] <iminj> hello
[02:35] <tranceconscious> anyone knows how to set up a dial up conection with server callback????
[02:35] <Grexo> this aint astrophysics :P
[02:36] <Yomic> Must've been for #ufo
[02:36] <FR500> if i need wpa and my card is not supported i need ndiswrapper right?
[02:36] <geneo93> better ppl here actually know things
[02:37] <el_cristiano> aaaah, gotta try openoffice.org2 yummy
[02:37] <rever> I am trying to get JAVA load in Firefox what is the package I need to grab in apt?
[02:37] <FR500> rever:  ubuntuguide.org
[02:38] <Yomic> FR500: I followed that guide and I kept recieving an error
[02:38] <rever> FR500, Thanks
[02:38] <raveneye> hi, is sound preview (sox) broken in Hoary?
[02:39] <FR500> Yomic:  works for me
[02:39] <geneo93> FR500:  that didn't make my java work
[02:39] <FR500> geneo93:  well did for me (in warty)
[02:39] <geneo93> ahh see
[02:40] <FR500> should be the same though
[02:40] <geneo93> leme paste you something
[02:40] <FR500> i think hoary sources.list has the necesary packages commented
[02:40] <FR500> *ehrmmm repositories
[02:41] <geneo93> Java exec found in  /usr/java/jre1.5.0_01/bin/
[02:41] <geneo93> OOPS, you don't seem to have a valid JRE  [/usr/java/jre1.5.0_01/bin/java =Error] 
[02:41] <geneo93> You need to upgrade to JRE 1.4.x or newer from http://java.sun.com
[02:41] <geneo93> hehe stupid
[02:41] <r1sible> geneo93: did you edit your PATH ?
[02:42] <geneo93> yup
[02:42] <rkn> slowass warty torrent
[02:42] <FR500> hmmm
[02:42] <FR500> weird
[02:42] <geneo93> Starting Azureus...
[02:42] <rkn> word
[02:42] <geneo93> Java exec found in PATH. Verifying...
[02:42] <geneo93> OOPS, you don't seem to have a valid JRE [java = gij] 
[02:42] <r1sible> /usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games
[02:42] <r1sible> hmm, I dont have java there either !
[02:43] <r1sible> odd
[02:43] <el_cristiano> awwwww OO.o2 rocks
[02:43] <FR500> r1sible:  i had standby support enabled in warty, probably ill need to disable that or something in hoary?
[02:43] <r1sible> FR500: no idea, sorry
[02:44] <FR500> ok
[02:44] <lagCisco> hey guys, i want to give ubuntu a try, but im wondering, how up-to-date is it? what about security? is that something i need to think about if i just turn everything off and check for updates every couple of days?
[02:44] <geneo93> so hows the java expert
[02:44] <zenrox> geneo93, read www.ubuntuguide.org for java install
[02:44] <FR500> geneo93:  i'm no expert
[02:45] <geneo93> if you use cisco you need not worry about ubuntu
[02:45] <ggeecko> how do I find out my ip
[02:46] <geneo93> zenrox:  i did everything to the letter
[02:46] <Yomic> Okay, I am tired of not understanding some of the lower level termonolgy (which sometimes hinders my ability to learn some languages).  Where should I start on my quest for information?
[02:46] <zenrox> geneo93, does it work
[02:46] <SidDithersL> does anyone know where I can pick up the kernel-source package for warty? 4.10
[02:46] <geneo93> ifconfig should tell you
[02:46] <SidDithersL> i need it to install my video cards driver
[02:46] <sysrq> SidDithersL: linux-source
[02:46] <niktaris> any livecd developers in the house?
[02:46] <Yomic> (Also, I don't won't a 'stick around here for a while' reply, because I will ;P
[02:46] <geneo93> zenrox:  no
[02:47] <ggeecko> can someone tell me how do I find out my ip
[02:47] <rkn> 08:46PM|<geneo93> ifconfig should tell you
[02:47] <zenrox> geneo93, hmm i just installed java today with thoes instructions
[02:47] <Yomic> start>run>ipconfig... err...
[02:48] <geneo93> ggeecko:  i told you ifconfig
[02:48] <SidDithersL> sysrq, I thank you for pointing that out, but it says its already installed.
[02:48] <SidDithersL> if its already installed, why does nvidia complain that there is no kernel-source?
[02:48] <geneo93> sun java
[02:48] <zenrox> geneo93,  yep
[02:48] <raveneye> does anyone know if sound preview (sox) is broken in Hoary?
[02:48] <sysrq> SidDithersL: because you didn't extract the tarball
[02:48] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> how do i read .chm files in linux
[02:48] <sysrq> amd because unless you compiled your own kernel from the source it doesnt match what you are running
[02:48] <SidDithersL> where is it located? do you know by chance?
[02:48] <sysrq> *and
[02:48] <geneo93> did you see my paste
[02:49] <Chipzz> [CX] -sw0rdsavy: there's xchm
[02:49] <sysrq> /usr/src
[02:49] <zenrox> geneo93, nope
[02:49] <zenrox> paste in a msg to me
[02:49] <SidDithersL> so ill extract the tarball and hope it works?
[02:49] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> any installed in linux by defualt
[02:49] <sysrq> SidDithersL: you need linux-headers that matches the linux-image you are running
[02:49] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> err ubuntu
[02:49] <SidDithersL> where can I get those?
[02:49] <r1sible> SidDithersL: it has to match your kernel perfectly, as well
[02:50] <SidDithersL> im sorry im such a pain I just want to get this thing working
[02:50] <geneo93> zenrox:  i'll do it again then
[02:50] <SidDithersL> :/
[02:50] <geneo93> zenrox:   Starting Azureus...
[02:50] <sean13> Is limewire in universe
[02:50] <geneo93> Java exec found in PATH. Verifying...
[02:50] <geneo93> OOPS, you don't seem to have a valid JRE [java = gij] 
[02:50] <geneo93> You need to upgrade to JRE 1.4.x or newer from http://java.sun.com
[02:50] <geneo93> Java exec found in  /usr/java/jre1.5.0_01/bin/
[02:50] <geneo93> OOPS, you don't seem to have a valid JRE  [/usr/java/jre1.5.0_01/bin/java = Error] 
[02:50] <geneo93> You need to upgrade to JRE 1.4.x or newer from http://java.sun.com
[02:51] <cowbud> sean13: uhh no
[02:51] <sean13> ok thanks
[02:51] <cowbud> sean13: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#limewire
[02:51] <zenrox> geneo93,  didja add it to the /etc/bash.rc
[02:51] <SidDithersL> linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3-386  im pretty sure thats what i need
[02:51] <SidDithersL> ill install that
[02:51] <r1sible> SidDithersL: what does uname -r say?
[02:51] <sean13> thanks cowbud
[02:51] <cowbud> SidDithersL: just install module-assistant then do module-assistant prepare and it will download all the goodness you need..
[02:52] <SidDithersL> 2.6.8.1-3-386
[02:52] <geneo93> zenrox:  ??????????
[02:52] <r1sible> SidDithersL: OK :)
[02:52] <rkn> What do the extra '?'s mean?
[02:52] <SidDithersL> awesome :D
[02:52] <zenrox> geneo93,  or add the ln -s to the prober spots
[02:52] <zenrox> proper
[02:52] <geneo93> zenrox:  i installed it back when this was warty
[02:53] <el_cristiano> w0000000000000t my scanner is working now
[02:53] <r1sible> SidDithersL: be aware, if you dist-upgrade that kernel will change and your drivers will break
[02:53] <el_cristiano> i just took me 5 hours to set it up :D
[02:53] <zenrox> ohh hmm azureus was installed from the universe
[02:53] <SidDithersL> ok ill try to keep from ruining it. but now that I have it downloaded do I just do a "make" in the headers directory or is there more to it?
[02:53] <geneo93> i dont remember that well so all i can tell you is i followed the guide
[02:54] <navreet> anyone have flash working??
[02:54] <zenrox> geneo93, hmm does limewire work
[02:54] <zenrox> or java -version
[02:54] <geneo93> i dunno dont have limwire
[02:55] <zenrox> its on that site on how to install it
[02:55] <navreet> it crashes firefox :(, and the bugzilla people say it's in "universe" so it's unsupported... does this mean that there's no flash available if you're using Ubuntu amd64 version?
[02:55] <navreet> flash is critical for many websites... including anandtech.com
[02:55] <FR500> r1sible:  says xserver cant be started
[02:55] <geneo93> i have no use for limewire
[02:55] <zenrox> limewire is backly like azurues
[02:55] <r1sible> FR500: :(
[02:56] <quarupt> how can i replace an entire dir with one i backed up earlier?
[02:56] <FR500> r1sible:  any clues?
[02:56] <cowbud> quarupt: uhh what did you back it up with what dir is it and blah
[02:56] <navreet> quarupt, rm -fr newDir/ && mv oldDir newDir
[02:56] <zenwhen> navreet, how are the devs supposed to fix flash?
[02:56] <r1sible> FR500: not really - it must be an xorg issue
[02:56] <zenwhen> its not open
[02:56] <quarupt> but the backup is in the dir i am backing up?
[02:57] <navreet> zenrox, they could remove it from the distro for one... it does damage, and no good
[02:57] <cowbud> quarupt: uhh what are you trying to do
[02:57] <quarupt> navreet: ?
[02:57] <r1sible> FR500: all I can suggest is to reinstall xserver-xfree86 and see if it works
[02:57] <Quest-Master> Why doesn't the archive manager in Ubuntu recognize RARs even though I've installed rar? x_x
[02:57] <FR500> r1sible:  well, better clean install and migrate configurations
[02:57] <FR500> less trouble i guess
[02:57] <navreet> quarupt, it crashes firefox without any warning.. I had a few tabs open and all of a sudden I visit a page with flash on it, and bam... no more firefox
[02:57] <Quest-Master> It worked on Warty
[02:57] <zenrox> navreet, i think you ment zenwhen
[02:58] <quarupt> I backed up my /usr/X11R6/ using konquer and made /usr/X11R6/X11R6BU/
[02:58] <r1sible> FR500: possibly - back up /etc and /home
[02:58] <quarupt> I want to revert to the old dir
[02:58] <quarupt> but now i cant use konquer cause x wont start till i revert back to the old /usr/X11R6/
[02:58] <FR500> r1sible:  what about samba shares and printers, thats what worries me the most
[02:58] <navreet> quarupt, mv /usr/X11R6/X11R6BU /tmp then rm -fr the new directory, then move the /tmp/X11R6BU to the new directory
[02:59] <quarupt> so im asking how to do it in a terminal
[02:59] <quarupt> thx navreet
[02:59] <FR500> the rest is just internet time
[02:59] <r1sible> FR500: back up any config files you know are important
[02:59] <navreet> zenwhen, The GPL Flash library is a set of functions that can be used by
[02:59] <navreet> applications to play Flash movies. The core of the library is a
[02:59] <navreet> portable graphic renderer that can be used to add SWF support to an
[02:59] <navreet> application.
[02:59] <navreet> oops
[02:59] <FR500> well, for samba and mounting shares smb.conf and fstab
[02:59] <navreet> sorry for the flood
[02:59] <FR500> the rest.....
[03:00] <navreet> zenwhen, the flash I installed is open source, seems to be GPL'ed
[03:00] <r1sible> FR500: at worst I guess you would have to re-edit some files - and you seem to know how, so...
[03:01] <FR500> i know that, how do i mount my other ext3 partition, only that plz
[03:01] <r1sible> FR500: ?
[03:01] <r1sible> you mean an fstab entry?
[03:01] <FR500> nevermind
[03:02] <FR500> no, i have warty in another partition
[03:02] <r1sible> oh I see
[03:02] <FR500> i want to mount it
[03:02] <ace2001ac> i'm having problems with getting cdrecording working on hoary-amd64, does anyone have any experience with that
[03:02] <r1sible> sudo mount  -t ext3 /dev/hd*  /mnt/warty   I guess
[03:03] <r1sible> or whatever you normally mount on
[03:03] <r1sible> just /mnt would work
[03:04] <geneo93> bblr
[03:04] <r1sible> FR500: if it's in fstab , just mount /mount/point should work
[03:04] <FR500> i got it, thx for your help
[03:04] <r1sible> OK - you're welcome
[03:05] <r1sible> FR500: sorry it broke...
[03:05] <FR500> r1sible:  no prob
[03:05] <r1sible> :)
[03:05] <Quarupt> Okay, bak in X now i feel better
[03:05] <FR500> it's linux, when it breaks up you know why at least
[03:05] <r1sible> FR500: that's true
[03:06] <Quarupt> yea instead of windows when something breaks your lucky to get any verbose, or logs and if ya do its all hexideciaml errors
[03:07] <FR500> and you lose your game saves :p
[03:07] <Quarupt> lol
[03:07] <Quarupt> Man i miss gaming
[03:07] <mindshadow-> new to ubuntu, my sound isn't working, anyone that can help?
[03:07] <occy> upgrade to hoary - bad idea atm?
[03:07] <Quarupt> oh well its a sacrafice i make to run pure linux
[03:08] <FR500> Quarupt: CEDEGA!!!
[03:08] <Quarupt> occy,  actually its the best time, the preview is pretty much the same as the final anyways
[03:08] <Quarupt> FR500, I could never get CEDEGA working
[03:08] <FR500> Quarupt:  really?
[03:08] <FR500> some games work some not, but counter-strik works so fine for me
[03:08] <mindshadow-> i have a soundblaster audigy 2, it works everywhere else, just not in ubuntu, i've checked to make sure it's not muted, and i can play things in rhythmbox, etc. but there's no sound...i'm mystified
[03:09] <occy> Quarupt: should I apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade and get warty up-to-date?  Or not worry about it?
[03:09] <r1sible> FR500: judging by the users mailing list, much bug squashing is in progress....
[03:09] <occy> Quarupt: final question:  just  s/warty/hoary/g  in /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[03:10] <el_cristiano> FR500: CS works? wine?
[03:10] <el_cristiano> FR500: fps?
[03:10] <el_cristiano> :)
[03:10] <FR500> el_cristiano:  cedega
[03:10] <FR500> same as windows, even faster
[03:10] <occy> nomasteryoda: heyaz bud.
[03:10] <FR500> not wine
[03:10] <Quarupt> occy id recomend downloading the ISO and installing from scratch
[03:10] <occy> nomasteryoda: you upgraded to hoary yet?
[03:10] <occy> Quarupt: ahh...
[03:10] <el_cristiano> FR500: whats cedega?!
[03:10] <nomasteryoda> hey
[03:10] <nomasteryoda> now
[03:10] <r1sible> occy: both sound good ideas ( re hoary dit-upgrade)
[03:10] <mindshadow-> anyone?
[03:10] <nomasteryoda> no
[03:10] <r1sible> *dist
[03:10] <nomasteryoda> using suse
[03:11] <occy> nomasteryoda: heh, blah
[03:11] <occy> here goes nothing.
[03:11] <occy> :D
[03:11] <nomasteryoda> hey, we are trying to get a linuxshow going
[03:11] <FR500> el_cristiano:  commercial implementation of wine that supports directx
[03:11] <occy> nomasteryoda: heh, tell Jeff I said howdy.  (TLS Jeff)
[03:12] <nomasteryoda> occy, no man
[03:12] <nomasteryoda> me
[03:12] <nomasteryoda> and gerrynjr
[03:12] <occy> nomasteryoda: ahh
[03:12] <nomasteryoda> and a few other regular listeners
[03:12] <nomasteryoda> we are not sure on a title yet
[03:12] <nomasteryoda> freenode #linuxshow
[03:12] <FR500> el_cristiano:  works pretty much the same but faster
[03:12] <occy> How about a: OctobrX - where is he now?
[03:12] <occy> heh
[03:12] <occy> nomasteryoda: *chuckle*
[03:13] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[03:13] <nomasteryoda> yea
[03:13] <nomasteryoda> i know
[03:13] <nomasteryoda> we skyped for a while last night
[03:13] <el_cristiano> FR500: where can i get it?
[03:13] <zenrox> skype rocks
[03:13] <occy> skype easy to setup?
[03:13] <zenrox> yep
[03:13] <nomasteryoda> yes
[03:13] <occy> or require a lot of stuff?
[03:14] <nomasteryoda> very
[03:14] <nomasteryoda> no
[03:14] <zenrox> i love skype
[03:14] <occy> heh, there is easy, and then there is "Occy-Easy"[tm] 
[03:14] <nomasteryoda> apt-get install skype
[03:14] <zenrox> occy, skype = easy button
[03:14] <occy> Ubuntu gets the Occy-Easy seal of approval.
[03:14] <occy> zenrox: hehe
[03:14] <nomasteryoda> works very well too
[03:15] <zenrox> yep
[03:15] <occy> I'll try it when my hoary upgrade is over.
[03:15] <occy> heh
[03:15] <zenrox> my skype nick = my nick
[03:15] <FR500> el_cristiano:  you have to buy it
[03:15] <occy> skype = free phone calls to anywhere?
[03:15] <zenrox> occy, pc 2 pc
[03:15] <zenrox> = free
[03:16] <zenrox> pc 2 telephone = 1 cent a min
[03:16] <el_cristiano> FR500: how much does it cost?
[03:16] <FR500> not sure, i got it from my brother
[03:16] <occy> zenrox: hmmm
[03:16] <nomasteryoda> pc - pc free
[03:16] <occy> interesting
[03:16] <FR500> it's somehow a subscription
[03:16] <zenrox> occy,  and it uses voip
[03:16] <nomasteryoda> need a good mic
[03:16] <zenrox> yep
[03:16] <occy> 0% [1 libc6-dev 1038216/2507kB 41%]                            21.6kB/s 8h19m47s
[03:17] <occy> heh
[03:17] <occy> That'll take a while.
[03:17] <zenrox> lol
[03:17] <zenrox> any one can skype me if thay want
[03:17] <zenrox> i talk better than i type
[03:17] <zenrox> lol
[03:18] <Quarupt> you pay for voIP?
[03:18] <occy> welp... my machine is basically useless.
[03:18] <occy> later taters.
[03:18] <occy> wish me luck.
[03:18] <zenrox> Quarupt,  no
[03:18] <zenrox> Quarupt, only if i wanted to call pc 2 thelphone
[03:18] <scoon> anyone here use epiphany
[03:18] <r1sible> scoon: I try not to....
[03:18] <Quarupt> just use ip-relay.com
[03:19] <r1sible> :)
[03:19] <el_cristiano> FR500: look http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=45
[03:19] <Quarupt> supposed to be for disabled people but hell
[03:19] <scoon> thanks r1sible , that was helpful >:|
[03:20] <r1sible> scoon: it was a joke , sorry :)
[03:20] <makyo> hello, I wold like some help with installing the ATI drivers on warty. I've tryed following the steps I found in the HowTo guide at the Wiki but genome can't start... I get the prompt... by the way, I'm just coming from windows so I'm not that expert....
[03:21] <makyo> I have a Radeon 7000
[03:22] <r1sible> scoon: I find epiphany a bit limiting: I preferred galeon when it was the default gnome browser, so I guess I'm prejudiced
[03:23] <scoon> r1sible, that's cool.  I used to use galeon as well.
[03:23] <lunitik> scoon: epiphany offers nothing, and lacks a lot... I fail to see why anyone would even consider it over Firefox  :/
[03:23] <r1sible> lunitik: I must say I agree
[03:23] <scoon> r1sible, i am starting to use it to create PERL bindings for it.
[03:23] <crimsun> Epiphany can be nice. It's really one's preference.
[03:23] <r1sible> galeon is still a nice browser, though
[03:24] <crimsun> Besides, in Ubuntu, epiphany-browser is compiled against mozilla-firefox-dev.
[03:24] <scoon> r1sible, except for the HUGE mozilla dependency
[03:24] <lunitik> scoon: epiphany doesn't have the same dependency anymore?
[03:24] <scoon> so i have a logitech mx900 mouse and i want the buttons on the mouse to work forward and back in history
[03:24] <r1sible> scoon: yes, I use firefox now and I'm quite happy with it
[03:24] <scoon> lunitik, no.
[03:25] <scoon> all right i get the point
[03:25] <scoon> that firefox is supposed to be the best browser.
[03:25] <lunitik> scoon: hmm, sure doesn't... but it depends firefox... still equilly moronic
[03:25] <scoon> i have used it for years.
[03:26] <r1sible> scoon: well, as crimsun says, epiphany can be nice.... preferences
[03:26] <scoon> i really do appreciate everyone's nickel of advice.
[03:27] <|QuaD-> does OOo or OOo2 have a visio/dia replacement?
[03:27] <lunitik> scoon: lier... soo not what you wanted in reply  :P
[03:27] <r1sible> scoon: OK, irony aside, what's your question/
[03:27] <scoon> r1sible, don't worry about it.  it is more for an epiphany user, not hater.
[03:28] <r1sible> scoon: I don't hate epiphany - at all - I just have other preferences. No need to prickle
[03:28] <crimsun> lunitik: it depends on mozilla-firefox because mozilla-firefox is now built as a one static binary. There are no simple libs against which the epiphany-browser lib can link.
[03:28] <scoon> prickle ?
[03:29] <crimsun> epiphany-browser bin, rather
[03:29] <scoon> what is that.
[03:29] <lunitik> crimsun: I understand the reasoning... I just find it funny is all
[03:29] <crimsun> scoon: I suppose "nag," etc.
[03:29] <r1sible> scoon: you seemed to be getting "prickly" about it ( defensive, upset)
[03:30] <scoon> r1sible, i was getting more frustrated.
[03:30] <scoon> r1sible, lately the noise ratio has been up and makes these things such a greater chore.
[03:31] <lunitik> crimsun: I thought they were gonna seperate out gecko though at some stage? I heard it was being done a while ago, but never saw the result?
[03:32] <msh__> hi
[03:33] <msh__> how do i change the resolution of my conole?
[03:33] <SiRrUs> good evening
[03:34] <lunitik> msh__: have to do it at boot time, or add to kernel line in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:35] <lunitik> msh__: vga=791 for 1024x768 ... vga=794 for 1280x1024 (only ones I know by heart)
[03:36] <SysFail> msh: right click your desktop if youre in kde
[03:36] <lunitik> SysFail: he said console... not desktop
[03:36] <SysFail> ahhh
[03:36] <SysFail> well technically he said conole
[03:36] <SysFail> heh
[03:37] <SysFail> heya apj
[03:39] <apj> hello, all
[03:40] <savetheclocktowe> hey, i've encountered broken packages in my upgrade to hoary... i'd love whatever help you guys could give me
[03:40] <crimsun> savetheclocktowe: praytell
[03:41] <s0cks> I would install ubuntu, but it already fux0r3d my 40 gig hard disk,
[03:41] <savetheclocktowe> gnome appears to be half-working... when i do an apt-get install gnome i get "requires gnome-desktop-environment but it is not going to be installed"
[03:42] <savetheclocktowe> i double-checked my sources.list and it's as it should be
[03:42] <crimsun> savetheclocktowe: not sure why you're trying to install 'gnome'
[03:42] <savetheclocktowe> wrong package?
[03:43] <crimsun> savetheclocktowe: the correct package is 'ubuntu-desktop', which should already be installed.
[03:43] <savetheclocktowe> ahh, that explains it
[03:43] <Yomic> How do I change my desktop environment? (Most to just try out some supposedly faster ones.)
[03:43] <savetheclocktowe> gnome is still half-working, though... i get the gnome splash screen and it stops halfway though loading nautilus
[03:44] <r1sible> Yomic: xfce no good?
[03:44] <sysrq> savetheclocktowe: you add any additional startup programs to the session?
[03:44] <savetheclocktowe> if i click the splash screen goes away and everything appears normal, but a bunch of stuff is missing and a lot of other stuff doesn't work at all
[03:44] <savetheclocktowe> like CD burning
[03:44] <savetheclocktowe> nope, i did not
[03:44] <sysrq> savetheclocktowe: did you install ubuntu-desktop?
[03:44] <Yomic> rlsible: I can't figure out how to run it.
[03:45] <bryan_> anyone else notice every time you open a file with gedit, it makes a backup like 'file.ext~'
[03:45] <r1sible> Yomic: well, I can give you a hint if you wish
[03:45] <Hytak> Hi, what is the default root password? (After installl, to set up things, that would be nice... it was probably written somewhere but I did not read everything :( )
[03:45] <sysrq> bryan_: that can be disabled
[03:45] <Yomic> Please do :(
[03:45] <sysrq> Hytak: there is none
[03:45] <Hytak> :S
[03:45] <savetheclocktowe> argh, that did it.  i'd removed a bunch of packages while trying to diagnose video card problems and thought i'd reinstalled them all again
[03:45] <Hytak> It get me an erro when I put nothing
[03:45] <savetheclocktowe> sysrq: thanks for the help
[03:45] <sysrq> Hytak: it's not blank, it's unset
[03:45] <Hytak> It ask me one...
[03:46] <crimsun> Yomic: dpkg -l xfce4|grep ^ii|awk '{ print $3 }'
[03:46] <sysrq> Hytak: I know, you have to set one though
[03:46] <Hytak> I cannot log in root !
[03:46] <sysrq> Hytak: sudo passwd
[03:46] <sysrq> set the root pass that way
[03:46] <Hytak> Ahhhh
[03:46] <Yomic> crimsun: What is that supposed to do (And wtf does it mean *_*)?
[03:46] <Blacksa1> Hytak, the root account is disabled by default, just use your account password
[03:46] <Hytak> Won't it ask me "password:" after sudo?
[03:46] <bryan_> sysrq:  it'd be nice if you could choose a dir to save them all in :)
[03:46] <r1sible> Yomic: create a file called .xsession containing  just    exec xfce  , save it in your home dir , and choose system session from login
[03:46] <savetheclocktowe> out of curiosity, why is there a 'gnome' entry in the ubuntu repository if 'ubuntu-desktop' exists?
[03:46] <sysrq> Hytak: yes, thats the user password
[03:46] <crimsun> Yomic: it tells me which version of that package you have installed
[03:47] <Hytak> Ok... I wil try, thanks
[03:47] <sysrq> bryan_: I know it would, I just disabled it all together
[03:47] <crimsun> r1sible: that's not even necessary with the universe packages.
[03:47] <bryan_> just found the option, disabling.
[03:47] <Hytak> And just a note: I try Ubuntu on a p2, 233mhz 128mb of ram and god... what did they guy did to Gnome? It run almost well on my old pc!
[03:47] <crimsun> Yomic: all you need to do is choose XFce from the Session menu when you log in via GDM.
[03:47] <Yomic> It said there aren't any packages.
[03:47] <r1sible> crimsun: it appears in the list by default ? for gdm?
[03:47] <crimsun> r1sible: see above.
[03:48] <crimsun> Yomic: sudo aptitude install xfce4
[03:48] <r1sible> crimsun: yup I see
[03:48] <sysrq> Yomic: if you want to just use xfce as your WM and still run gnome just edit the gnome session replacing metacity with xfce4
[03:48] <sysrq> that's how I am running openbox with gnome
[03:48] <crimsun> (you probably meant replace metacity with xfwm4)
[03:49] <sysrq> indeed, didn't know the actual executables name
[03:51] <jimarko> hey all :)
[03:52] <mob_> hi all, does anyone knows how to set a mounted partition in "Places -> System" ?
[03:52] <savetheclocktowe> hey, i'm trying to write an iso with nautilus-cd-burner and it tells me that the CD which i know to be blank isn't actually blank
[03:52] <savetheclocktowe> this is new since i upgraded to hoary
[03:52] <savetheclocktowe> any ideas?
[03:52] <mob_> like /win/C set it in a new place ?
[03:53] <Yomic> Why can't I make a new folder in my home directory?
[03:53] <savetheclocktowe> mob_: you can edit your /etc/fstab by hand -- it should be straightforward -- but i don't know how to do it in gnome
[03:53] <mob_> savetheclocktowe: maybe the CD is really blank :P, or is a CDRW and it doesn't formated properly
[03:54] <sysrq> Yomic: I don't know, an error msg would be usefull if you want help
[03:54] <crimsun> Yomic: ...you can't?
[03:54] <r1sible> mob_: is /win/C the mount point you've set in /etc/fstab ?
[03:54] <savetheclocktowe> mob_: i've tried several CDs on this same spool, and CDs from this spool burned in warty just fine
[03:54] <Yomic> It doesn't have an option to (not using the terminal)
[03:55] <mob_> savetheclocktowe: i got the partitions mounted, i just want to add it an icon into "Places -> System", something like a new icon says "Windows" or something like that
[03:55] <r1sible> Yomic: right click
[03:55] <sysrq> and you are in /home/youruser not just /home ?
[03:55] <FR500> is there an unnoficial starters hoary guide out there?
[03:55] <lunitik> FR500: not yet
[03:55] <Yomic> I am in home; I have tried rightclick>add new folder, but the option is greyed-out
[03:55] <savetheclocktowe> oh, i see
[03:55] <savetheclocktowe> mob_: don't think i can help you there
[03:56] <mob_> savetheclocktowe: thanks anyway
[03:56] <lunitik> FR500: most things are still applicable from warty  :/
[03:56] <savetheclocktowe> FR500: http://ubuntuguide.org
[03:56] <sysrq> Yomic: of course, /home is owned by root, /home/youruser is what you want
[03:56] <savetheclocktowe> oh, hoary.  gotcha
[03:56] <Yomic> Gotcha *_*, thanks.
[03:56] <FR500> ok
[03:57] <savetheclocktowe> google is my friend... I had to change some things in gconf.  now burning works fine, it would seem
[03:57] <crimsun> savetheclocktowe: excellent. :-)
[03:58] <mob_> mmm can someone help me? :(
[03:58] <Hytak> savetheclocktowe> No it's mine!
[03:58] <neighborlee> speaking of ubuntu-desktop..why is it linked to firefox in hoary ? ( to remove buggy firefox removes it and that is scary based on what synaptic says it is )
[03:58] <r1sible> crimsun: is bug squashing proceding well? Still seeing a lot of people with hoary issues....
[03:59] <crimsun> r1sible: we could use more help :-)
[03:59] <squallbsr> I wonder if the hoary issues are mostly with stuff like missing mp3 support, divx, etc...
[03:59] <r1sible> crimsun: :) I'm on the mailing list
[04:00] <sysrq> mob_: isn't it listed under Places -> Computer ?
[04:00] <r1sible> squallbsr: no, those issues exist on warty too
[04:00] <ace2001ac> i'm having problems with getting cdrecording working on hoary-amd64, does anyone have any experience with that
[04:01] <crimsun> r1sible: I haven't even had much time to wade through all the sound-related issues. Right now fighting with various universe packages to make them build properly from XOrg.
[04:02] <mob_> sysrq: no it isn't, this si mi dump from the "mount" command
[04:02] <crimsun> ace2001ac: what sort of issues? I don't have amd64, but others here do.
[04:02] <sysrq> mob_: add it to /etc/fstab and it should
[04:03] <r1sible> mob_: that's why I asked about fstab earlier...
[04:04] <mob_> i've got the partitions mounted, and added to fstab
[04:04] <mob_> "/dev/hda1 on /win/C type ntfs (rw,umask=0222)
[04:04] <mob_> /dev/hda5 on /win/D type vfat (rw,umask=0000)"
[04:04] <r1sible> mob_: and it still doesn't show? Odd ...
[04:04] <sysrq> perhaps you need to restart your gnome session or something
[04:04] <mob_> that is my mount
[04:04] <ace2001ac> crimsun: i'm not sure what is happening, cdrecord gives me an error, I can paste in flood if you wanna look at it?
[04:05] <r1sible> mob_: ntfs as  rw ? That ain't gonna happen...
[04:05] <sysrq> r1sible: it works, it just isn't very safe
[04:05] <mob_> dun worry, i know
[04:05] <crimsun> ace2001ac: sure, go for it.
[04:05] <r1sible> mob_: OK :)
[04:05] <mob_> when i mounted by hand it appears the icon in places
[04:06] <mob_> but not anymore when it mounts automatically by /etc/fstab
[04:06] <r1sible> mob_:  is the word "on" in your fstab?
[04:06] <r1sible> it shouldn't be...
[04:06] <mob_> i copy the fstab part
[04:06] <mob_> wait
[04:06] <r1sible> /dev/hda5 on /win/D type vfat (rw,umask=0000)
[04:06] <mob_> "/dev/hda1       /win/C          ntfs    ro,umask=0222   0       0
[04:06] <mob_> /dev/hda5       /win/D          vfat    rw,umask=0000   0       0"
[04:06] <r1sible> looks wrong with "on"
[04:07] <r1sible> OK
[04:07] <mob_> i told you that that was the "mount" dump
[04:07] <r1sible> sorry
[04:07] <crimsun> ace2001ac: what command line parameters are you passing to cdrecord?
[04:07] <r1sible> I asssume you added the quotes, and they aren't there in fstab
[04:07] <jimarko> anyone had issues with iPods and mounting?
[04:08] <mob_> r1sible: dun worry, thanks for try to help me
[04:08] <ace2001ac> crimsun: i'm using nautilus cd burning plugin
[04:08] <r1sible> mob_: just looking for stuff that might cause problems :)
[04:08] <mob_> r1sible: the "" are for the irc client think that was commands
[04:08] <ace2001ac> crimsun: i tried using cdrecord directly, but it didn't work either
[04:08] <crimsun> ace2001ac: ah, I'm not familiar with the nautilus portion.
[04:08] <r1sible> mob_: OK
[04:09] <mob_> sorry for my bad english, i speak spanish
[04:09] <Trab> hey, anyone around, i need some help...:-/
[04:09] <kapputu> Trab I can give a try
[04:10] <f> whoa
[04:10] <f> whoever warned me about going hoary
[04:10] <f> good call
[04:10] <FR500> Trab:  just ask
[04:10] <f> completely foobar'd everything
[04:10] <kapputu> hmm no one warned me
[04:10] <FR500> f: why?
[04:10] <kapputu> xorg wasn't good for me
[04:10] <Agrajag> did nothing to me...
[04:10] <f> installing python-dev guts gnome
[04:10] <f> uninstalls everything
[04:10] <kapputu> r1sible: don't get u
[04:10] <Agrajag> wtf
[04:11] <FR500> kapputu:  evey1 is having that prob
[04:11] <Trab> ok, well im trying to install capture, and its giving me an error on /usr/share/lufs/prepmod
[04:11] <kapputu> ok atleast I realized what the problem was
[04:11] <Agrajag> FR500: everyone?
[04:11] <Agrajag> I love xorg
[04:11] <Agrajag> composite works and everything
[04:11] <kapputu> Alt + Tab to firefox takes 5 seconds
[04:11] <f> on ppc change to hoary, apt-get update, apt-get install python-dev, and watch it suggest it uninstalls everything and anything GNOME
[04:11] <Agrajag> no more smearing windows
[04:11] <Agrajag> only on ppc? weird
[04:12] <f> i can do it real quick if anybody wants a copy of what it tries to do
[04:12] <f> i need python-dev for Zope
[04:12] <FR500> Agrajag:  well no
[04:12] <f> thats how I found this problem
[04:12] <FR500> i love xorg too, but the dist-upgrade causes problems
[04:13] <Agrajag> FR500: not for me 8)
[04:13] <FR500> ok
[04:13] <Agrajag> did it three days ago
[04:13] <binbrain> should I log a defect or anything for this problem?
[04:13] <FR500> did it 2 times
[04:13] <FR500> :(
[04:13] <r1sible> f seems weird, since python is a favourite with ubuntu developers...
[04:13] <Agrajag> binbrain: definitely
[04:13] <binbrain> Its reproducable
[04:13] <Trab> FR500 there's a reason i dont just post a problem :-P it goes ignored
[04:14] <tooki_soldat}> how many space in the disk I need to install Ubuntu in my pc???
[04:14] <mob_> 1.8 Gb
[04:14] <tooki_soldat}> thanks
[04:14] <ace2001ac> crimsun: cdrecord -v speed=2 dev=0,6,0 -data -pad programs/hoary-preview-install-i386.iso
[04:14] <FR500> Trab:  lol
[04:14] <FR500> dunno about it
[04:14] <FR500> sorry
[04:14] <ace2001ac> crimsun: should that work?
[04:14] <kapputu> my roommates are taken in by KUbuntu
[04:14] <kapputu> I gave them a live cd to play with
[04:15] <DarthFrog> kubuntu rawks!
[04:15] <kapputu> yeah for eyecandy
[04:15] <kapputu> me prefers GNOME
[04:15] <DarthFrog> Tho' I dislike the name kubuntu.
[04:15] <kapputu> lol
[04:15] <tooki_soldat}> how many memory SDRAM I need to install Ubuntu in my pc??
[04:16] <r1sible> 128MB minimum
[04:16] <kapputu> 128 should be fine
[04:16] <r1sible> 256 is better
[04:16] <DarthFrog> Nuttin' wrong with eyecandy.  Ya gotta look at something and it might as well be pretty.
[04:16] <tooki_soldat}> mmm
[04:16] <FR500> do u know where are the printer config files stored? i wanna try to migrate em to my new  hoary setup
[04:16] <tooki_soldat}> i have 64
[04:16] <r1sible> tooki_soldat}: possible, but tricky
[04:16] <kapputu> DarthFrog: no one said eyecandy is bad
[04:16] <kapputu> but too much of it is not good
[04:16] <r1sible> 64 is low
[04:17] <DarthFrog> Trab: Wassa matter, bud?
[04:17] <crimsun> ace2001ac: not sure why you're specifying dev=0,6,0
[04:17] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> can someone tell me how to mount hdb with a fat on /mnt/test
[04:17] <tooki_soldat}> [22:17]  <r1sible> 64 is low---> mmm... lowest?
[04:17] <mob_> mount /dev/hdb1 /mn/test -t vfat
[04:17] <kapputu> I have a problem installing Ubuntu on one of my desktops
[04:17] <kapputu> it's with the partitions
[04:17] <FR500> i think it's mount -t vfat /dev/whateva /mnt/test
[04:18] <ace2001ac> crimsun: i'm copying http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/
[04:18] <SeanQ> OK.
[04:18] <SeanQ> I have to ask a favor.
[04:18] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> htx
[04:18] <kapputu> I screwed up the partitions and when I do manual partitioning only my hda is listed
[04:18] <SeanQ> Can someone in here visit http://mlb.com
[04:18] <SeanQ> It runs on Flash and I see no text.
[04:18] <SeanQ> It's just weird. 0_0
[04:18] <ace2001ac> crimsun: what should dev be, the man page isn't very good at defining that
[04:18] <kapputu> I want to dual boot windows and I don't want to destroy the partitions
[04:18] <tooki_soldat}> 64 of SDRAM is too low???
[04:19] <crimsun> ace2001ac: grep ATAPI /var/log/dmesg
[04:19] <FR500> kapputu:  is xp still working?
[04:19] <kapputu> yeah
[04:19] <mob_> SeanQ: you need to install flash-plugin to see flash
[04:19] <SeanQ> Done that.
[04:19] <desrt> tooki_soldat}; on your videocard?
[04:19] <r1sible> tooki_soldat}: there's a low memory howto on the wiki, i believe
[04:19] <FR500> kapputu:  partition magic
[04:19] <kapputu> I'm not able to get PartitionMagic to work
[04:19] <SeanQ> I can see the pictures, just not the textr.
[04:19] <SeanQ> text.
[04:19] <r1sible> desrt, no his RAM
[04:20] <FR500> why?
[04:20] <desrt> tooki_soldat}; you really should have more videoram than that to play the latest games
[04:20] <kapputu> it had ubuntu and the ext3 partition was a logical partition
[04:20] <kapputu> a
[04:20] <desrt> o
[04:20] <r1sible> desrt, see above
[04:20] <siimo> hi does anyone here run hoary?. do i need Mozilla package just to get the gnome panel clock working in gnome 2.10?!
[04:20] <mob_> SeanQ: i see it, you can see other flash-sites?
[04:20] <SeanQ> Yes.
[04:20] <ace2001ac> crimsun: hdc: ATAPI 52X CD-ROM CD-R/RW drive, 2048kB Cache, so dev=/dev/hdc
[04:20] <tooki_soldat}> [22:20]  <desrt> tooki_soldat}; you really should have more videoram than that to play the latest games--> i only play soldat
[04:20] <SeanQ> I'll just compile flash-plugin from sources.
[04:20] <kapputu> XP kept telling me that one of my partitions was not formatted
[04:21] <crimsun> ace2001ac: dev=/dev/hdc
[04:21] <kapputu> well, it was annoying and I formatted it
[04:21] <kapputu> and the whole thing has gone awry
[04:22] <ace2001ac> crimsun: should I specify a write mode
[04:22] <kapputu> ok if it doesn't make sense I can understand
[04:22] <crimsun> ace2001ac: I use -dao, but I use cd-rs and write once.
[04:23] <ace2001ac> crimsun: well, thats what i'm doing, so i guess that sounds good
[04:28] <ace2001ac> crimsun: sudo cdrecord -dao -v speed=2 dev=/dev/hdc -data -pad driveropts=burnfree programs/hoary-preview-install-i386.iso
[04:28] <aalam> hi, Can anyone help, how my language can enable in Live CD?
[04:28] <ace2001ac> crimsun: apparently that worked
[04:28] <crimsun> ace2001ac: great :-)
[04:28] <kapputu> can I boot with a LIVE CD and install QtParted and partition my hda?
[04:29] <jdub> kapputu: yes
[04:29] <ace2001ac> crimsun: do you know why the driveropts needed to be specified?
[04:29] <DarthFrog> kapputu: Try gparted.
[04:30] <kapputu> would a USB thumbdrive be automatically detected?
[04:30] <jdub> aalam-Punjabi: install language-support-pa
[04:30] <jdub> kapputu: yes
[04:31] <kapputu> what drive is it mapped to?
[04:31] <crimsun> ace2001ac: they do? They shouldn't be required...
[04:31] <crimsun> ace2001ac: (hence the entire driverOPTs)
[04:31] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> is there a place where i can find out the services turned on by ubuntu and what they do
[04:31] <WW> [OT]  Anyone know of a chat room or forum where html/cgi gurus hang out?
[04:32] <kapputu> are there software for hotsyncing with my PDA?
[04:33] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> is there a place where i can find out the services turned on by ubuntu and what they do
[04:33] <PacoBCN> I better stop playing Enemy Territory... too adictive...
[04:33] <DarthFrog> [CX] -sw0rdsavy: Have a look in /etc/rc2.d/   Those are what Ubuntu turns on.
[04:33] <jimarko> Kapputu: What kind of PDA? Palm or PocketPC?
[04:33] <kapputu> palm
[04:33] <DarthFrog> [CX] -sw0rdsavy: Then you can either ask here what the daemons are or google for them.
[04:33] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> oh ok
[04:34] <jimarko> kapputu: hrm, not sure then..
[04:34] <ace2001ac> crimsun: i meant the 'driveropts=burnfree' portion of the command :)
[04:34] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> k waht does dbus-1 do
[04:34] <crimsun> ace2001ac: right, that's what I'm referring to. It shouldn't be necessary.
[04:34] <ace2001ac> crimsun: oh, well apparently that made the difference
[04:35] <ace2001ac> crimsun: wish I knew why
[04:35] <jimarko> the only sync prog i know of for linux is SynCE, but its for WindowsCE and PocketPC
[04:35] <jimarko> sorry
[04:35] <regeya> interesting: no pmount love in kubuntu installer, also no fstab rewriting
[04:35] <crimsun> ace2001ac: perhaps your dvd burner needs a spanking
[04:35] <ace2001ac> crimsun: just maybe
[04:35] <kapputu> what's the mode for VESA VGA?
[04:36] <ace2001ac> crimsun: thanks again for your help
[04:36] <crimsun> ace2001ac: np
[04:36] <PacoBCN> DVD recording problems?
[04:36] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> ok if i dont plan to use my server as an smtp server is it safe to turn off fetchmail
[04:36] <binbrain> mono's not in the ppc reprository for warty or hoary
[04:36] <binbrain> hmmm
[04:37] <skora> howdy. I'm having a problem listening to my music cd's on ubuntu.
[04:38] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> ok if i dont plan to use my server as an smtp server is it safe to turn off fetchmail
[04:38] <cafuego> binbrain: they say it's cross-platform, but it's filthy ia32 crap.
[04:38] <skora> I know its not the speakers, i can hear sound when I play sounds that are locally on the hard drive.
[04:38] <binbrain> cafuego: what are you talking about it
[04:38] <skora> or the volume either.
[04:39] <crimsun> skora: what application are you using to play CDs?
[04:39] <crimsun> skora: also, warty or hoary?
[04:40] <skora> crimsun, 4.10, tried xmms and cd player.
[04:40] <skora> when i try to open up the cd in nautilus, i receive this error message:
[04:40] <skora> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdd,
[04:40] <skora>        or too many mounted file systems
[04:40] <crimsun> skora: more than likely it's a volume slider that needs to be unmuted
[04:40] <crimsun> skora: you don't "mount" audio CDs
[04:40] <skora> i have no probs with data cd's on the cd dirve.
[04:41] <caliber> What is the strongest encryption?  If I were to encrypt a large quantity of my files
[04:41] <crimsun> skora: In the Volume Control, are you using the ALSA mixer or the OSS mixer?
[04:41] <skora> crimsun, sorry, but how would i find that out.
[04:42] <crimsun> skora: open up Volume Control
[04:42] <skora> k
[04:42] <skora> im there.
[04:42] <skora> and both the OSS mixer and the alsa mixer is there.
[04:42] <crimsun> skora: ok, choose the ALSA mixer
[04:42] <skora> k
[04:43] <skora> none of them are muted, but a few are locked.
[04:43] <kapputu> how do I install gparted onto my USB drive when I boot with a livecd
[04:44] <jdub> kapputu: you don't, just install it normally
[04:44] <kapputu> sudo apt-get?
[04:44] <jdub> yes
[04:44] <kapputu> couldn't stat source package
[04:45] <kapputu> do I need to update sources.list
[04:45] <kapputu> if
[04:45] <dampjam> Where does ubuntu unpack sources when I do apt-get source packagename
[04:45] <kapputu> if I try to update I get this error : E:Method http has died unexpectedly
[04:46] <OrangeSlice> it unpacks sources into the cwd
[04:46] <OrangeSlice> er, current working directory.
[04:46] <OrangeSlice> acronyms are the devil
[04:48] <PacoBCN> so polyp audio was removed and esd took its place again, right guys?
[04:50] <crimsun> PacoBCN: yep
[04:51] <PacoBCN> crimsun, the problem is that after all these changes I can't make esd work anymore
[04:51] <crimsun> PacoBCN: is the 'esound' package installed?
[04:52] <PacoBCN> I think so
[04:52] <PacoBCN> let me check again
[04:52] <membreya> hmm going through my home directory, doesnt look like my emails and everything were backup up :(
[04:52] <kapputu> the live cd is junk
[04:52] <crimsun> dpkg -l esound|grep ^ii|awk '{ print $3 }'
[04:52] <kapputu> sudo apt-get update doesn't work
[04:52] <errr> is there an online list of the packages I could browse? I am trying to help a budy find something and I am not booted into my ubuntu system right now.
[04:52] <PacoBCN> forget it... :(
[04:52] <PacoBCN> it wasn't
[04:52] <PacoBCN> there is no way to make skype work with esd, right?
[04:53] <crimsun> PacoBCN: esddsp ?
[04:54] <PacoBCN> I'm affraid I ignore what esddsp is
[04:55] <kapputu> how do I install from a .deb file?
[04:55] <Agrajag> dpkg -i
[04:55] <PacoBCN> kapputu, dpkg -i name.deb
[04:55] <errr> do you know if there is a list of the packages in Ubuntu online at some site I could look at? like packages.gentoo.org only for ubuntu?
[04:56] <membreya> errr, just load one of the repo's in a web browser
[04:56] <errr> membreya: I dont have access to a file off hand do you have a url handy?
[04:56] <kapputu> well I have the Live CD that was shipped out
[04:56] <kapputu> I can't do a apt-get update, it errors out
[04:56] <membreya> errr, go to www.ubuntuguide.org
[04:57] <errr> yeah thanks...
[04:58] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> so could anyone help me configure postfix to NOT accept connections from the outside
[04:59] <crimsun> errr: http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
[04:59] <errr> crimsun: hey thanks. :)
[05:01] <hone> hmm
[05:01] <lamont> [CX] -sw0rdsavy: sudo postconf -e inet_interfaces=loopback-only;
[05:01] <hone> my sound stopped owrking, but alsa is loaded?
[05:01] <crimsun> hone: pgrep esound
[05:02] <hone> crimsun: nothing
[05:02] <hone> crimsun: but I killed esd
[05:02] <membreya> :P
[05:02] <hone> crimsun: beeps wor k:-D
[05:02] <PacoBCN> ok, esd works now again
[05:03] <andrewski> so, is there an official howto for transparency on x.org or is the gentoo wiki (what came up in google) sufficient?
[05:03] <andrewski> :P
[05:03] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> thx lamont
[05:03] <lamont> [CX] -sw0rdsavy: that'll actually make it just listen on the loopback interfaces
[05:03] <hone> crimsun: :(
[05:05] <crimsun> hone: what sounds don't work?
[05:06] <PacoBCN> crimsun, esd works now
[05:06] <PacoBCN> crimsun, hope it will automatically start at start up from now on
[05:07] <crimsun> PacoBCN: make sure System>Preferences>Sound>Enable sound server startup is checked
[05:07] <PoopinClumpin> can anyone tell me how i can get my refresh rate higher? it stuck at 60hz but i want 85hz and the dropdown menu doesnt have it
[05:07] <hone> crimsun: everything
[05:08] <crimsun> hone: "everything?"
[05:08] <crimsun> hone: I thought you just said "beeps work"
[05:08] <hone> crimsun: yeah keyboard pc speaker beeps
[05:08] <PoopinClumpin> oh nevermind i just figured it out
[05:09] <crimsun> hone: try restarting esd
[05:09] <PoopinClumpin> it detected my monitor wrong during install
[05:09] <hone> crimsun: esd&?
[05:10] <hone> crimsun: uh
[05:10] <crimsun> hone: or just esd
[05:11] <hone> crimsun: nope
[05:12] <PacoBCN> still skype doesn't work, even with esddsp
[05:12] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> hey guys, how can i stop this ftpd from auto running
[05:13] <hone> crimsun: nope won't even let me run mplayer w/ it
[05:13] <Chipzz> "this"?
[05:13] <UdeS-ppc> I have a question folks...
[05:13] <hone> crimsun: I'm on a custom kernel
[05:13] <hone> crimsun: but all my modules are loaded
[05:13] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> how can i stop the ftpd from loading at boot
[05:13] <UdeS-ppc> i am trying to reinstall windows xp on my comp
[05:13] <UdeS-ppc> but I can't cd-bbot?
[05:14] <hone> hone@ubuntu:/usr/src $ lsmod | grep snd
[05:14] <hone> snd_intel8x0m          16648  2
[05:14] <hone> snd_intel8x0           30536  3
[05:14] <hone> snd_ac97_codec         67588  2 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0
[05:14] <hone> snd_pcm_oss            51304  0
[05:14] <hone> snd_mixer_oss          17792  4 snd_pcm_oss
[05:14] <hone> snd_pcm                87844  3 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm_oss
[05:14] <hone> snd_timer              22084  1 snd_pcm
[05:14] <UdeS-ppc> boot
[05:14] <hone> snd_page_alloc          8968  3 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm
[05:14] <hone> snd_mpu401_uart         6144  1 snd_intel8x0
[05:14] <hone> snd_rawmidi            20288  1 snd_mpu401_uart
[05:14] <hone> snd                    48676  13 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi
[05:14] <Chipzz> UdeS-ppc: and exactly how is that ubuntu's and not the BIOS' fault?
[05:14] <hone> soundcore               7392  4 snd
[05:14] <lamont> UdeS-ppc: sounds like a bios issue
[05:14] <hone> oops
[05:14] <lamont> that is, assuming you have a win xp CD, of course..
[05:14] <tyler> Hey all, just upgraded to Hoary, what's supposed to be the difference?
[05:15] <UdeS-ppc> well I want to set up ubuntu and wx on a single hd
[05:15] <Chipzz> or maybe a faulty cd
[05:15] <UdeS-ppc> xp
[05:15] <DarthFrog> tyler:  Latest & greatest.
[05:15] <hone> tyler: packages upgraded
[05:15] <hone> tyler: like gnome 2.10
[05:15] <UdeS-ppc> it doesn't want to boot from the cd-drive
[05:15] <UdeS-ppc> and the bios is set up correctly
[05:15] <UdeS-ppc> I can see the cd when I am under xp
[05:15] <boobytrapped> Hi All, wondering if anyone has had any luck with Logitech USB Headsets on warty?
[05:15] <Chipzz> UdeS-ppc: not is not
[05:15] <Chipzz> because if it were, it would boot from CD
[05:16] <Chipzz> hmm "no it is not" that is
[05:16] <UdeS-ppc> :)
[05:16] <UdeS-ppc> Chippz, what do u think is wrong?
[05:17] <Chipzz> answer: you may think your bios is set up correctly, but it is not. take another look
[05:17] <tyler> ahh, cool.
[05:17] <tyler> Hopefully that means I can install the mad themes now
[05:17] <Chipzz> wrong boot-devices in the wonrg order?
[05:17] <r1sible> UdeS-ppc: boot order ? in the BIOS
[05:17] <Chipzz> have you set your pc to boot from cd first and then from hard-disk?
[05:17] <UdeS-ppc> cd first
[05:17] <UdeS-ppc> ide-0 second
[05:17] <boobytrapped> Nobody biting; has anyone had success with multiple sound cards on warty?
[05:17] <UdeS-ppc> 3rd nothing
[05:18] <Chipzz> UdeS-ppc: basically, if you won't believe us, unplug your harddisk and boot that way
[05:18] <r1sible> UdeS-ppc: will other CDs boot? like a live CD or a Linux install CD?
[05:18] <tyler> How can I add the  blue wireless card monitor that was in Warty?
[05:18] <kapputu> I'm not able to access qtparted using the Live CD
[05:18] <crimsun> hone: your problem is the modem module
[05:18] <Chipzz> it it boots from CD, you had set up the devices in th wrong order
[05:18] <DarthFrog> kapputu: Try gparted
[05:18] <UdeS-ppc> r1sible I haven't did this yet
[05:18] <crimsun> hone: snd_intel8x0m          16648  2
[05:18] <Chipzz> if it doesn't boot frmo CD, something is wrong with the cd
[05:18] <UdeS-ppc> Chipzz I believe you
[05:19] <crimsun> hone: echo "snd-intel8x0m" | sudo tee -a /etc/modules
[05:19] <kapputu> can't find package
[05:19] <r1sible> UdeS-ppc: well how do you know it isn't a fault in the XP CD then?
[05:19] <crimsun> hone: then reboot.
[05:19] <DarthFrog> kapputu: Install it?
[05:19] <Chipzz> UdeS-ppc: but booting happens from within teh BIOS, which starts grub which starts ubuntu when it can't find a bootable cd
[05:19] <Chipzz> but there is no way, really not, that this is ubuntu's or grubs fault
[05:19] <kapputu> u mean by downloading the package or using apt?
[05:19] <UdeS-ppc> ok, I just think that since I could see it from the XP desktop...
[05:20] <DarthFrog> UdeS-ppc: Chipzz is right.
[05:20] <DarthFrog> kapputu: Apt or synaptic.
[05:20] <Chipzz> UdeS-ppc: try booting with the cd on another computer
[05:20] <Chipzz> maybe there's something wrong with the cd
[05:20] <r1sible> UdeS-ppc: that proves nothing about the bootability of the CD Either it's the BIOS or the CD
[05:20] <UdeS-ppc> ok, I will try with a Live Cd see what happens
[05:20] <UdeS-ppc> ok thanks Chipzz and r1sible
[05:21] <UdeS-ppc> it's either the drive or the CD I guess
[05:21] <kapputu> DarthFrog: if I try to do that apt says it can't find the package gparted
[05:21] <Chipzz> the dirve is indeed another possibility
[05:21] <DarthFrog> kapputu: Do you have universe accessible in sources.list?
[05:21] <Chipzz> if you have written the cd yourself and your drive doesn't handle that kind of cd's
[05:23] <kapputu> DarthFrog: I'm using Kubuntu
[05:23] <kapputu> why would I need gparted?
[05:23] <DarthFrog> kapputu: Soam I.
[05:23] <kapputu> should I not use QtParted?
[05:23] <DarthFrog> kapputu: because QTParted wasn't available.
[05:23] <kapputu> oh ok
[05:24] <hone> crimsun: ?
[05:24] <hone> crimsun: snd-intel8x0m
[05:25] <crimsun> hone: 23:19 < crimsun> hone: echo "snd-intel8x0m" | sudo tee -a /etc/modules
[05:25] <hone> crimsun: right..that appends it to /etc/modules
[05:25] <crimsun> right, then reboot
[05:26] <hone> crimsun: ok, I understand that much
[05:26] <hone> crimsun: but what was wrong..?
[05:27] <kapputu> DarthFrog: I'm having problems with my hard disk
[05:27] <s0cks> I'm trying to import ubuntu onto my hamster
[05:27] <s0cks> someone please help.
[05:27] <kapputu> gparted doesn't recognize my hda
[05:27] <DarthFrog> kapputu: What kind of problems?
[05:27] <crimsun> hone: in nearly all cases, snd-intel8x0m interferes with standard audio applications
[05:28] <r1sible> s0cks: I'll  be helping the hamster I think ;)
[05:28] <kapputu> when it tries to open /dev/hdd , it complains of unrecognized disk label
[05:28] <kapputu> same as PMagic
[05:28] <DarthFrog> kapputu: What does cfdisk say?
[05:28] <kapputu> I deleted a logical drive and it's been a problem ever since
[05:28] <hone> crimsun: oh, so why are we modprobing it then?
[05:29] <hone> crimsun: sorry, just trying to understand it
[05:29] <kapputu> Bad logical partition 7 : prtition ends after end-of-disk
[05:29] <crimsun> hone: "we" aren't. It's being done automagically.
[05:29] <hone> crimsun: mmk I guess
[05:29] <hone> crimsun: let me reboot
[05:30] <crimsun> hone: oh crap, sorry, not /etc/modules but /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[05:30] <hone> crimsun: what's that?
[05:30] <crimsun> hone: echo "snd-intel8x0m" | sudo tee -a /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[05:30] <kapputu> I need to get rid of /dev/hda7
[05:30] <kapputu> this is outside the partition table
[05:30] <crimsun> hone: and remove snd-intel8x0m from /etc/modules :-)
[05:30] <crimsun> hone: thanks for catching that
[05:31] <DarthFrog> kapputu: back up the data from that drive, wipe it clean and start again.
[05:31] <hone> crimsun: yeah, I didn't really
[05:31] <hone> crimsun: just didn't make sense to me :-P
[05:31] <hone> crimsun: still a n00b @ 6 years w00t
[05:31] <crimsun> all newbs ;-)
[05:31] <hone> crimsun: ok brb
[05:31] <kapputu> I don't have a XP CD that I can use for this
[05:32] <kapputu> I'm using the one that came along with it
[05:32] <DarthFrog> kapputu: Ouch.
[05:33] <kapputu> did I say the evil word?
[05:33] <kapputu> ;-)
[05:33] <DarthFrog> kapputu: Can you delete the partition with cfdisk?
[05:33] <kapputu> plain fdisk works
[05:33] <kapputu> cfdisk errors out
[05:34] <DarthFrog> Then use fdisk.
[05:34] <billytwowilly> what's a good hex editor for ubuntu?
[05:35] <kapputu> hmm how do I identify the partition that I need to delete?
[05:36] <DarthFrog> Wow, i just got an email from Linux Counter, asking me to update my entry.  I've been registered with them since 1994!  Eleven years of using Linux. :-)
[05:36] <PacoBCN> DarthFrog, that's geek!
[05:36] <PacoBCN> :D
[05:36] <DarthFrog> kapputu: Urk! Stop!!  Identify the partition first before you go any farther.
[05:37] <XposerX> DarthFrog, sweet...what was your first distro?
[05:37] <DarthFrog> XposerX: I started with Slackware.  Couldn't get SLS to go.
[05:38] <kapputu> DarthFrog: how did u switch to ubuntu?
[05:38] <DarthFrog> kapputu: How?  Or why?
[05:38] <kapputu> why
[05:38] <XposerX> DarthFrog, ahh...i remember using debian back in 96 ...rough experience
[05:39] <DarthFrog> Well, I love the spirit of Ubuntu.  And Canonical.com is from the Isle of Man.  I was born in the Isle of Man. :-)
[05:39] <kapputu> oh cool
[05:39] <kapputu> I've been addicted to Ubuntu ever since I started using it
[05:39] <DarthFrog> XposerX: Yeah, Linux was a rite of passage then.
[05:40] <kapputu> especially the Ubuntu community has been very helpful
[05:40] <DarthFrog>  Getting a modem to work was a major chore.
[05:40] <zeppelin_> does anyone know if there are any MUD Clients in the repositories?
[05:40] <PacoBCN> indeed, the comunity of Ubuntu is great
[05:40] <DarthFrog> kapputu: ubuntu really makes for a lovely desktop Debian.
[05:41] <kapputu> apt-get is the best
[05:41] <kapputu> no dependencies
[05:41] <PacoBCN> It's the first time I see so many windows users installing a linux distro
[05:41] <XposerX> ubuntu's community is the reason i left debian sarge and sid
[05:41] <hou5ton> anyone know how to make it so a Real Player link actually opens Real Player instead of trying to run it through Totem, which doesn't do those files?
[05:41] <crimsun> zeppelin_: apt-cache search mud|grep -v ^lib
[05:42] <DarthFrog> XposerX: I've pretty much viewed Debian as being the heart & soul of Linux.  Ubuntu embraces and extends that. :-)
[05:42] <DarthFrog> kapputu: Try and mount all the partitions on the drive.  See what they contain.
[05:42] <XposerX> DarthFrog, i wholeheartedly agree
[05:43] <hone> hey crimson
[05:43] <hone> crimsun: I still dont' get sound
[05:44] <crimsun> hone: cat /proc/asound/modules
[05:44] <crimsun> hone: then paste lsmod output onto pastebin
[05:44] <hone> crimsun: pastebin?
[05:44] <DarthFrog> XposerX: Debian seems to me to be too large and unwieldy right now.  I don't think they've scaled well.
[05:44] <crimsun> hone: pastebin.com or pastebin.ca
[05:45] <hone> crimsun: it's in flood
[05:45] <crimsun> hone: and lsmod?
[05:46] <hone> crimsun: grep snd?
[05:46] <rib> Can someone tell me how to find out my processors temperature in ubuntu
[05:46] <rib> my pc keeps crashing and I think that might be it
[05:46] <XposerX> DarthFrog, That's a pretty accurate assessment of the Debian archive, but at the same time - the beatuy is the sheer quality and quantity of their standards - politics aside.
[05:47] <kapputu> I would like to contribute actually
[05:47] <hone> crimsun: oops
[05:47] <kapputu> I don't know where to start
[05:47] <crimsun> hone: that's fine
[05:47] <crimsun> hone: amixer output onto pastebin, please
[05:48] <DarthFrog> XposerX: Oh yes, I'm with you on that.  I just hope they manage to get around their problems.  It's taking forever to get out a new stable release.
[05:48] <DarthFrog> XposerX: Mind you, when Debian says stable, they mean stable! :-)
[05:48] <hone> crimsun: http://pastebin.com/255541
[05:49] <caliber> http://ab.login.yahoo.com/img/y9EyaOVZFenaoZws7BeUDLfajO3H9ZDaIc.NCpIQaX24rvffWIEUgDQrcLBgHFmTaa35vWZgkEx.eSh8x50G27WJOWzBL4z_1vsx.jpg    <---- YAHOO's supposed SECURITY CHECK?
[05:49] <zeppelin_> what do I use to install a .deb package?
[05:49] <DarthFrog> XposerX: So I've come to the view that Debian is for servers and Ubuntu is for desktops.
[05:49] <crimsun> hone: heh, PCM is muted.
[05:49] <Levander> What's the easiest way to log performance data under Ubuntu?  Like a log of system monitor so I can open it up later and look through the graph?
[05:49] <zeppelin_> its from one of the archives
[05:49] <LeeColleton> zeppelin_: dpkg -i
[05:49] <hone> crimsun: mother )(&%@
[05:49] <DarthFrog> zeppelin_: dpkg -i (package.deb)
[05:49] <hone> crimsun: I unmuted it last time
[05:49] <zeppelin_> will that install the package as well?
[05:49] <hone> crimsun: it remuted?
[05:49] <crimsun> it's muted
[05:49] <hone> crimsun: I love feeling stupid
[05:50] <DarthFrog> zeppelin_:  "-i" means install
[05:50] <hone> crimsun: yay alsamixer
[05:50] <LeeColleton> zeppelin_: or you can convert it to a .rpm with alien if you're on a RedHat Package Manager based system
[05:51] <PacoBCN> I'm learning a lot just by reading how people help eachother here
[05:51] <LeeColleton> zeppelin_: nevermind about the alien thing
[05:51] <orospakr> Hi! are we likely to see OO.o 2.0 in Hoary or at least available for hoary in universe?
[05:51] <|QuaD-> orospakr: i am using it via universe
[05:51] <PoopinClumpin> can anyone tell me if theres a way to use synaptic to install mplayer
[05:51] <XposerX> DarthFrog, yeah, debian official release are _the_ best server os release out there
[05:52] <DarthFrog> orospakr: It's available now as openoffice2 in hoary.
[05:52] <PacoBCN> XposerX, there is if you add the right repository
[05:52] <crimsun> orospakr: openoffice.org2
[05:52] <crimsun> orospakr: how's gtk-gnutella? :-)
[05:52] <DarthFrog> Oh right, it's openoffice.org.  :-)
[05:52] <XposerX> DarthFrog, and other desktop variant of debian didn't quite do as well as ubuntu has in this short time
[05:52] <orospakr> crimsun, working perfectly!
[05:52] <orospakr> crimsun, many thanks!
[05:52] <crimsun> great :-)
[05:53] <crimsun> np
[05:53] <PacoBCN> gtk-gnutella works perfectly now
[05:53] <orospakr> crimsun, that was a super-fast update.
[05:53] <PoopinClumpin> i coul dhave sworn i had used synaptic to install mplayer once before but i dont see it in the list anymore
[05:53] <DarthFrog> XposerX: No.  Xandros has a lot to like, especially their file manager.
[05:53] <orospakr> from bug-filing to updated packages in less than 12 hours. :D
[05:53] <hou5ton> anyone know how to make it so a Real Player link actually opens Real Player instead of trying to run it through Totem, which doesn't do those files?
[05:53] <Levander> is OOo2 gonna be outta beta by the time they release hoary? I've already noticed some bugs in the OOo2 beta
[05:53] <Levander> under Windows XP
[05:53] <crimsun> orospakr: I had to test on a couple architectures before uploading else it would have been up earlier.
[05:53] <hone> Levander: doubt it
[05:53] <DarthFrog> Levander: Who can tell?
[05:54] <PlanarPlatypus> does anyone know why a custom kernel wpould suddenly be unable to find the root filesystem, all required drivers are in, the same config worked fine on the same hardware under debian and the grub config file is the same as it was under the previous incarnation of the kernel as well
[05:54] <DarthFrog> Levander: But it doesn't really matter, does it?  It'll be apt-gettable very shortly after release.
[05:54] <calc> Levander: well OOo2 is supposed to be out sometime the end of this month (iirc)
[05:54] <PlanarPlatypus> it also boots the stock kernel fine
[05:54] <zeppelin_> Has anyone used the copy of gnome-mud from the universe repository
[05:54] <zeppelin_> ?
[05:54] <hone> calc: it is?
[05:54] <Levander> just kinda sux, cause they'll prolly stop getting new releases of openoffice for hoary once it's released, have to either get OOo2 yourself or be stuck with beta version until next release of Ubuntu
[05:55] <Chipzz> PlanarPlatypus: have you built both ext2/3 support and support for your IDE chipset into the kernel?
[05:55] <calc> hone: it may have gotten pushed back
[05:55] <hone> calc: ahh
[05:55] <DarthFrog> PlanarPlatypus: Either you forgot to include the driver for the filesystem in the kernel or it's not in the initrd.
[05:55] <PlanarPlatypus> Chipzz, yes (it is a SATA chip but the answer is still yes)
[05:55] <PoopinClumpin> should i assume mplayer doesnt work on ubuntu?
[05:55] <calc> Levander: just run the newest ubuntu, problem solved ;)
[05:55] <calc> PoopinClumpin: works fine afaik
[05:55] <PlanarPlatypus> DarthFrog, am not using an initrd
[05:55] <hone> Pointwood: I just apt-get installed mplayer-custom
[05:55] <Chipzz> PlanarPlatypus: if you compile either into the kernel, you need to compile BOTH into the kernel
[05:55] <hone> err
[05:55] <calc> PoopinClumpin: not much need for it when you have totem-xine as well
[05:55] <hou5ton> how can I set file type associations?
[05:55] <hone> PoopinClumpin: I just apt-get installed mplayer-custom
[05:55] <calc> and totem-xine looks much nicer
[05:56] <Levander> calc: ha! but then I gotta new hobby of finding all the bugs in ubuntu i don't want
[05:56] <DarthFrog> PlanarPlatypus: Chipzz is right.
[05:56] <PoopinClumpin> i searched the synaptic but couldnt find any mplayer
[05:56] <hone> PoopinClumpin: going to recompile my own version next
[05:56] <PlanarPlatypus> Chipzz, I did...
[05:56] <hone> PoopinClumpin: respositories
[05:56] <calc> Levander: heh :)
[05:56] <zeppelin_> what does dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of gnome-mud: mean?
[05:56] <calc> PoopinClumpin: mplayer is in the illegal archive ;)
[05:56] <hone> zeppelin_: apt-get build-dep
[05:56] <hone> calc: oh nice
[05:56] <PoopinClumpin> whats so illegal about mplayer?
[05:56] <calc> PoopinClumpin: see the ubuntu restricted formats page
[05:56] <DarthFrog> calc: Illegal archive??
[05:56] <calc> PoopinClumpin: it violates many patents, etc
[05:56] <Levander> PoopinClumpin: there's a howto in the howto forums i used to install mplayer from sources
[05:57] <PacoBCN> Poopin, ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/
[05:57] <SOMautomotivo> Hello!
[05:57] <Levander> the howto ubuntu fourm
[05:57] <PoopinClumpin> i guess illegal if you live in the USA
[05:57] <PacoBCN> I think there is some mplayer package there
[05:57] <calc> DarthFrog: well marillat's archive located outside of the USA, and will soon need to be moved out of .eu as well
[05:57] <calc> PoopinClumpin: patents now are valid in europe as well aiui
[05:57] <PoopinClumpin> thanks PacoBCN
[05:57] <bruno_polar> Im having some trouble with ubunto...can anyone help?
[05:57] <bruno_polar> my mouse doesnt work....
[05:57] <DarthFrog> calc: Ah, that's what you meant. Gotcha.
[05:58] <zeppelin_> hone: It says no such file or directory
[05:58] <DarthFrog> calc: I knew of warty, hoary, universe & multiverse. Never heard of illegal before. :-)
[05:58] <Levander> i just thought ubuntu didn't want any commercial formats supported in their distribution?  what's the mplayer patent problem?
[05:59] <kapputu> so I can't use mplayer at work if I decide to use Ubuntu?
[05:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> no commercial formats?  awesome.  go ogg.
[05:59] <hone> zeppelin_: sudo apt-get build-dep gnome-mud
[05:59] <hone> kapputu: yes you can
[05:59] <PoopinClumpin> i couldnt care less about patents, i just want to watch my video
[05:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> kapputu:  that's ridiculous.
[05:59] <calc> DarthFrog: heh
[05:59] <crimsun> zeppelin_: no. Is there something wrong with it in hoary?
[05:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> kapputu:  you could always compile source yourself, even if ubuntu packages didn't have it.
[05:59] <kapputu> BROKEN_LADDER: yeah it would be
[05:59] <kapputu> just making sure
[05:59] <calc> Levander: pretty much all media outside of ogg/theora is patented
[05:59] <zeppelin_> I dont have hoary, Warty
[05:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> ogg/vorbis is also not patented.
[05:59] <calc> oh yea and flac ;)
[06:00] <omaktl> hey everybody
[06:00] <bruno_polar> hi
[06:00] <Levander> calc: so, everybody's gonna have to stop using mp3 unless they pay somebody?
[06:00] <DarthFrog> bruno_polar: Sorry to hear about your mouse.  Can you move it to a different port and try it?
[06:00] <hone> I just use flac/ogg
[06:00] <Levander> that'll just kill that format, doesn't sound right
[06:00] <PoopinClumpin> pfft like thats gonna happen
[06:00] <BROKEN_LADDER> mp3 is dead.
[06:00] <crimsun> zeppelin_: sorry, can't do anything for Warty, since it's frozen.
[06:00] <calc> Levander: if thomson wanted to sue you for damages they could
[06:00] <bruno_polar> no... I only got one serial
[06:00] <BROKEN_LADDER> mp3 is a dinosaur.
[06:00] <Levander> hone: yeah, i use flac to
[06:00] <omaktl> listen i've just moved to ubuntu from suse and I can't make it to poweroff
[06:00] <crimsun> zeppelin_: anything wrong with it?
[06:00] <bruno_polar> its an old machine I put together to try different software
[06:00] <PoopinClumpin> mp3 still works great for me
[06:00] <Levander> hone: mean ogg
[06:00] <BROKEN_LADDER> on my site you can download my songs in aac, vorbis, or mp3.  the mp3 download icon is a dodo bird.
[06:00] <Chipzz> I really wouldn't claim mp3 is dead
[06:00] <PacoBCN> mp3 is not dead at all
[06:00] <zeppelin_> shoot, even sudo apt-get build-dep gnome-mud says no such file or directory
[06:00] <regeya> it should be dead
[06:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> mp3 doesn't "work great".  it sucks.
[06:01] <Levander> omaktl: /sbin/shutdown
[06:01] <LeeColleton> you can't be sued for damages just for using an mp3 player
[06:01] <PoopinClumpin> it "works great" for me
[06:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> vorbis sounds as good with almost half as much data.
[06:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> it works better.
[06:01] <omaktl> theres the apm module
[06:01] <omaktl> ?
[06:01] <Chipzz> BROKEN_LADDER: not on all portable mp3 players
[06:01] <LeeColleton> if you distribute an mp3 player in hardware or software then you are violating some patent
[06:01] <Chipzz> BROKEN_LADDER: .
[06:01] <PoopinClumpin> oh i didnt realize you were basing your statemtn on a subjective "sound quality" argument
[06:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> AAC exists if you like proprietary things like apple ipods.
[06:01] <DarthFrog> BROKEN_LADDER: There is a tremendous amount of data in MP3 format.
[06:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> subjective?
[06:01] <PoopinClumpin> yeah
[06:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's not that subjective.  you can actually look at frequency response.
[06:01] <calc> aac is as proprietary as mp3
[06:01] <Levander> Chipzz: so buy a DAP that supports ogg, that's what i did
[06:01] <kapputu> too bad I can't use the live cd for installing
[06:02] <PoopinClumpin> lol ok dude
[06:02] <BROKEN_LADDER> calc:   but at least aac has a good quality to bitrate ratio.
[06:02] <regeya> indeed BROKEN_LADDER but vorbis support isn't the greatest in the "supported" department, which is why mp3 is still used...OTOH, "WordPerfect is really common" didn't stop MS from dominating the market with Word
[06:02] <DarthFrog> BROKEN_LADDER: Sound quality is a perception, therefore by definition it's subjective.
[06:02] <PoopinClumpin> you can study frequesncy response while i go listen to my music
[06:02] <Chipzz> Levander: what if your dad buys an mp3-player that doesn't?
[06:02] <omaktl> no i mean it stands on Powerdown but the fan keeps working
[06:02] <BROKEN_LADDER> there is great support for vorbis.  you can play it in any operating system.
[06:02] <Chipzz> or someone else you know
[06:02] <calc> BROKEN_LADDER: i know i use aac on my ipod
[06:02] <Levander> Chipzz: tell him to return it
[06:02] <calc> ipod doesn't do ogg and aac is much better than mp3 ... so
[06:02] <BROKEN_LADDER> and there are portable vorbis players.  the iriver h320 is awesome.
[06:02] <Chipzz> zeah. right.
[06:02] <regeya> I can go to the local Best Buy and get a Vorbis-capable device
[06:02] <Chipzz> yeah even
[06:03] <BROKEN_LADDER> so don' buy an ipod.
[06:03] <BROKEN_LADDER> baloney.
[06:03] <regeya> I'll second that, but only because the ipod...well...
[06:03] <Chipzz> truth of the matter is, most people just do not care about ogg/vorbis being an open format and all
[06:03] <Levander> IAudio's got the best ogg players in the new generation coming out right now.  iRiver hasn't even announced ogg support in their new players
[06:03] <Chipzz> they just want a cheap mp3-player
[06:03] <BROKEN_LADDER> Levander:  i have yet to see iaudio produce anything with the feaures of an iriver player.
[06:03] <Levander> the iRiver H10 5gb that's already out doesn't currently support ogg, neither have they promised it
[06:03] <BROKEN_LADDER> nor the looks.
[06:03] <Chipzz> wake up and smell the coffee
[06:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> Levander:   buy the h320
[06:04] <Levander> BROKEN_LADDER: what feature specifically?
[06:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's better anyway.
[06:04] <bruno_polar> Please... if there is someone who can help-me solve mouse issues on ubuntu, pvt me
[06:04] <regeya> "it's not supported, so nobody uses it" <- once upon a time, mp3 wasn't supported...guess no one will ever use it
[06:04] <Levander> BROKEN_LADDER: I want usb-host and usb otg, not on the h320
[06:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> like the direct recording to mp3.
[06:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> great color screen.
[06:04] <DarthFrog> bruno_polar: Itmight not be a mouse issue, _per se_, it might be a serial port issue.
[06:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> Levander:  it's on the Euro version, which you can buy if you like.  i have yet to see any other player with that.
[06:04] <Levander> BROKEN_LADDER: new IAudio X5 got both of those
[06:04] <|QuaD-> anyone here wanna help someone who doesn't know how to use diff?
[06:04] <DarthFrog> bruno_polar: Can you use a PS/2 mouse or USB mouse?
[06:05] <BROKEN_LADDER> new?  i'll check it out.
[06:05] <BROKEN_LADDER> it must be pretty new.
[06:05] <bruno_polar> no I cant...its an old machine...
[06:05] <bruno_polar> I only got one serial
[06:05] <bruno_polar> old on-board machine
[06:05] <Levander> BROKEN_LADDER: it's not out yet, hold on I'll get u a link
[06:05] <bruno_polar> I can say it was working on win98...
[06:05] <DarthFrog> bruno_polar: Sorry, it's been too long since I used a serial mouse.  I've forgotten all that ancient stuff. :-(
[06:05] <bruno_polar> ok.. thx anyway
[06:06] <Levander> BROKEN_LADDER: iAudio M5 - http://www.suntecint.com/detail.php?cat=&catid=22&prodid=72
[06:06] <BROKEN_LADDER> lol.  it's not out yet.
[06:06] <omaktl> tnx
[06:06] <BROKEN_LADDER> calc:   which one?
[06:06] <omaktl> i found it
[06:06] <DarthFrog> bruno_polar: You might try the Ubuntu support web pages/mailing lists for help.
[06:06] <BROKEN_LADDER> got xchat name completion blows.
[06:06] <bruno_polar> ok...
[06:06] <calc> BROKEN_LADDER: iomega hipzip
[06:06] <Levander> BROKEN_LADDER: new iRiver H10 that just came out, notice no ogg support http://www.iriveramerica.com/prod/hd/h10_blue.aspx
[06:06] <bruno_polar> I found the link for this chat there
[06:06] <BROKEN_LADDER> calc:  rad
[06:06] <calc> it used tiny 40mb disks though that were expensive
[06:06] <BROKEN_LADDER> Levander:  i know this already. duh
[06:07] <Levander> BROKEN_LADDER: yeah, all the big mp3 manufacturers are releasing new stuff right now
[06:07] <calc> and iirc the firmware never ended up getting publically released :\
[06:07] <BROKEN_LADDER> don't buy anything from rio!!!
[06:07] <BROKEN_LADDER> don't get burned.
[06:07] <kapputu> whoa DarthFrog I removed the offending partition and created a new one and it shows up and I'm going to get Ubuntu going once again
[06:07] <BROKEN_LADDER> those bastards put me through HELL with my rio karma.
[06:07] <Levander> BROKEN_LADDER: the iAudio M5 is gonna come out in the next month
[06:07] <BROKEN_LADDER> it broke and broke and broke again.
[06:07] <BROKEN_LADDER> customer support sucked.
[06:07] <BROKEN_LADDER> sweet.
[06:07] <BROKEN_LADDER> closet?
[06:07] <kapputu> ok which is better ReiserFS or ext3?
[06:07] <DarthFrog> kapputu: Congratulations!!  Give yourself a well-deserved pat on the back! :-)
[06:07] <calc> karma didn't look too sturdy
[06:08] <calc> i was considering getting that before i got the ipod
[06:08] <DarthFrog> kapputu: I like reiserfs.
[06:08] <DarthFrog> kapputu: But ext3 is good.  Doesn't really matter.
[06:08] <regeya> it's a 1st generation rio, doesn't do anything other than mp3, has a small amount of memory, and the display lets me know that the rio handles vbr mp3 poorly.
[06:08] <BROKEN_LADDER> the m5 looks pimpish.
[06:08] <kapputu> mount point?
[06:08] <BROKEN_LADDER> reiser here
[06:09] <kapputu> the default is '/' but don't understand why
[06:09] <John_Carey> Hi
[06:09] <Levander> BROKEN_LADDER: Yeah, I'm not crazy about the looks either, i think they're okay, but it's got all the functionality i want
[06:10] <jdub> kapputu: i trust ext3 more than i do reiserfs.
[06:10] <tritium> some people have had very bad experiences with reiserfs
[06:10] <kapputu> what's the mount point?
[06:10] <John_Carey> Is anyone running Ubuntu on a Sony TR1?
[06:10] <kapputu> why is '/' the default
[06:10] <meldroc> ext3 works well.  i hear it's slightly slower than reiserfs, jfs, xfs though.  and i've heard horror stories about the latter.
[06:10] <DarthFrog> kapputu: Default for what?
[06:11] <meldroc> don't know if the horror stories about reiser are true though.  i've seen it a few times and it didn't blow up in my face then.
[06:11] <kapputu> well if you look at tutorials, you are asked to put the mount point as /
[06:11] <DarthFrog> The main thing I dislike about ext3fs is that it is still going to do a forced fsck after x number of mounts.
[06:11] <regeya> I've lived through some reiser horror stories, and hans's answer of "it's a hardware problem" made me distrust it even more
[06:12] <meldroc> you can turn off the forced fscks, can't you?
[06:12] <calc> i've seen bad things happen on all filesystems
[06:12] <membreya> DarthFrog, only 30 :P
[06:12] <regeya> because either 1.) he's full of shit or 2.) reiserfs isn't very fault-tolerant
[06:12] <calc> ext2/3, reiser, xfs, etc
[06:12] <meldroc> i usually don't - it's good to have the check just in case...
[06:12] <DarthFrog> regeya: Well, reiserfs is now in Linus' kernel.
[06:12] <regeya> the new reiser features sound sweet, and I can't wait for some other file system to implement it.
[06:12] <membreya> only problem I had with reiserfs was doing a convertfs where it wiped out my kernel and my /bin directory..at which point I am now .. I am reinstalling everything
[06:12] <regeya> DarthFrog: yes, and 2.6 is a development kernel.
[06:13] <kapputu> what happens if I set the bootable flag to "On"?
[06:13] <calc> any time you see in a changelog something was changed on a filesystem it is likely it bit someone ;)
[06:13] <DarthFrog> regeya: Yeah, that's not good.
[06:13] <regeya> DarthFrog: in other words, that doesn't mean a darn thing to me.  is it supposed to mean that I can trust reiser because linus trusts it?  linus hasn't exactly had a brilliant track record the past few years
[06:13] <DarthFrog> kapputu: If you're using grub or lilo, nothing much.  If not, Windows won't be able to boot if it's not marked bootable.
[06:14] <DarthFrog> regeya: No, not at all.  Just that others do trust it.  You should always go on your own experience.
[06:14] <saber> do you know if the current devel version of ubuntu contains more automatic hardware detection?
[06:15] <jdub> regeya: dude, chill out please.
[06:15] <geneo93> saber:  better
[06:15] <jdub> saber: yes, it's more consistent and has better coverage.
[06:15] <kapputu> saber: it recognized an old internal modem on one of my desktops, I consider that pretty good
[06:15] <saber> I installed version 4.10 and it did not detect my network card
[06:15] <jdub> saber: what's your network card?
[06:15] <redactech> hello all
[06:15] <saber> and all it took was a mod probe, so i was thinking i could write a simple script or something for it
[06:15] <regeya> my own experience has taught me this:  if you have good hardware, I mean really good hardware, go for reiser.  if not, go for something else. :-)
[06:16] <saber> it was a 3com 3c509
[06:16] <DarthFrog> regeya: :-)
[06:16] <jdub> saber: perhaps its PCI ID wasn't in the module
[06:16] <PacoBCN> you know what we should do? To have an Enemy Territory server for Ubuntu users :)
[06:16] <jdub> saber: it might be in hoary, so try it; if not, post the PCI ID to bugzilla
[06:16] <kapputu> I have never been a gamer, but would like to try out some
[06:17] <kapputu> any recommendations?
[06:17] <regeya> as long as kubuntu users are welcome as well :-)
[06:17] <saber> jdub: how can i retrieve the PCI ID? is it somewhere inside of /proc?
[06:17] <meldroc> what regeya said. :D
[06:17] <DarthFrog> saber: From "lspci -v"
[06:17] <kapputu> regeya: you just need to do a apt-get install of kubuntu-desktop to get kubuntu right?
[06:17] <meldroc> <3 kubuntu :)
[06:17] <tritium> kapputu, I'm not a gamer either, but I enjoy a few minutes of supertux every now and then
[06:17] <jdub> saber: post the lspci -vvv stanza
[06:17] <regeya> I think so...I dunno.  I just did a fresh install from cd then upgraded
[06:17] <kapputu> tritium: what's it about?
[06:18] <CompotatoJ> Has anyone got swf's to play on x86_64 working?
[06:18] <tritium> kapputu, it's like a super mario brothers clone with a penguin.  it's pretty cute
[06:18] <redactech> I need help with a kernel panic, it is chroot related I guess
[06:18] <soleblaze> anyone here know a program that will either write tags and rename files for flac's using cddb.. or will move files into different directories based on flac tags?
[06:18] <regeya> I also found that when I installed from a kubuntu CD, I couldn't mount hotpluggable media, and had to install pmount
[06:18] <CompotatoJ> Has anyone got swf's to play on ubuntu x86_64*
[06:18] <meldroc> how does the amd64 version of kubuntu (or ubuntu) work?  any performance boost?
[06:18] <tritium> kapputu, http://super-tux.sourceforge.net/
[06:19] <kapputu> I used to play Sokoban
[06:19] <kapputu> what's neato rails?
[06:19] <meldroc> nah, who needs those new-fangled graphics when you've got nethack?
[06:20] <regeya> heh
[06:20] <redactech> help !
[06:21] <regeya> kapputu: :-)  it's a ruby on rails tutorial, and it's neato...a quick guide to going from 'rails blog' to a working blog...haven't watched it yet.
[06:21] <hone> hmm
[06:21] <hone> my speed stepping is messed up
[06:21] <redactech> how can access my HD with the Live CD ?
[06:21] <hone> it only has 2 states as opposed to 5-6
[06:22] <kapputu> what's a rails blog and what's ruby on rails?
[06:22] <hone> only goes from 600 mhz to 1 ghz
[06:22] <meldroc> last time i tried changing the driver from nv to nvidia in xorg.conf, x wouldn't start at all.  previous time, I got an Nvidia splash screen, then a screen full of garbage.
[06:22] <meldroc> i'm pondering rolling my own kernel and installing the new 7167 drivers.
[06:22] <Levander> redactech: mount /dev/hda1 /mnt
[06:23] <regeya> neat!  when I plugged in a usb flash drive, the volume named showed up in 'media:/' instead of a desktop icon saying 'sda1'
[06:23] <Levander> redactech: /dev/hda1 needs to be subsituted with correct partition device file
[06:23] <tritium> meldroc, you're using amd64?
[06:24] <meldroc> nope, using x86 right now.  left some space on my HD for an amd64 install when i get around to it.
[06:24] <tritium> meldroc, really?  I've had no problems with nvidia on x86, aside from kernel 2.6.10-26 ;)
[06:25] <meldroc> in theory, all you have to do is type sudo nvidia-glx-config enable, start X and you're going.  Lemme see if that works...  BBL
[06:26] <redactech> thanks
[06:27] <PacoBCN> Just saw there's an upgrade of nvidia-glx
[06:27] <PacoBCN> anyone knows what are the changes?
[06:29] <tritium> PacoBCN, you can always read the changelog to find out (/usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/changelog.Debian.gz
[06:29] <ViNc3> hh
[06:29] <PacoBCN> thanks, tritium
[06:29] <tritium> PacoBCN, sure.  you can use zcat, and pipe it into less (or more) if it's long
[06:30] <crimsun> or just use zless
[06:30] <tritium> even better :)
[06:30] <PacoBCN>   * Update AVM copyright text.
[06:30] <PacoBCN>   * Bump *_minor.
[06:30] <crimsun> for l-r-m
[06:30] <PacoBCN> nop, sorry
[06:31] <tritium> PacoBCN, you got it!
[06:31] <PacoBCN> nice to know they changed the AVM copyright text!
[06:31] <PacoBCN> :D
[06:32] <crimsun> PacoBCN: wget http://sh.nu/~crimsun/changelog
[06:32] <crimsun> PacoBCN: stash that in ~/bin
[06:32] <crimsun> PacoBCN: then you can do changelog linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[06:33] <PacoBCN> crimsun, thanks a lot, however I think I won't have to dig into it
[06:33] <crimsun> and other fun stuff.
[06:33] <PacoBCN> I never had problems with nvidia
[06:33] <crimsun> also, installing apt-listchanges is a Good Thing
[06:34] <zenrox_> crimsun,  the new nvidia driver rocks
[06:34] <zenrox_> x loads faster
[06:34] <crimsun> zenrox_: 1.0-7167?
[06:34] <zenrox_> yep
[06:34] <crimsun> haven't noticed, haven't been home to use that pc ;-)
[06:34] <zenrox_> lol
[06:34] <zenrox_> its nice
[06:35] <PacoBCN> to be honest with you, since when warty was still beta, I only had problems with sound and dvd burning with my Medion Laptop
[06:35] <ace2001ac> zenrox: are there packages for the new driver yet?
[06:35] <membreya> gah, I can't believe I didn't backup my galeon directory when I did a cp -a on it :(
[06:35] <membreya> and my email
[06:36] <Twigman> Hi Guys.. I'm using Hoary... Any idea why my 'Computer' folder doesn't update when new media is automatically mounted?
[06:37] <mario8723> Have you tried to reload it?
[06:37] <Twigman> This affects usb devices and also cds etc..
[06:37] <marcin_ant> Twigman: it's propably broken
[06:37] <Twigman> I have, if I log out and then back in the media is visible..
[06:37] <mario8723> Weird
[06:37] <Twigman> marcin_ant: aahuh!
[06:37] <marcin_ant> Twigman: on  my desktop I cannot mount cd on "computer"
[06:37] <mario8723> Hey Crimsun
[06:38] <zenrox> ace2001ac,  dont know but the driver installs just fine
[06:38] <marcin_ant> Twigman: when I put cd/dvd to drive then it mounts automatically
[06:38] <Twigman> marcin_ant: I mean the list of devices in the 'Computer://' location..
[06:38] <marcin_ant> Twigman: and information about it doesn't go to "computer"
[06:38] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[06:38] <mario8723> Mine mounts automatically as well
[06:38] <Twigman> marcin_ant: same.. but it doesn't show up in the 'computer://' location..
[06:38] <da_bon_bon> wazzup ?
[06:38] <Twigman> aaaaah ok..
[06:38] <Twigman> that seems broken.
[06:38] <mario8723> I believe there is a setting that you can change to have it mount automatically
[06:38] <Twigman> it also doesn't show up in the drive mount applet..
[06:38] <mario8723> Unfortunately, I don't know what it is
[06:39] <Twigman> mario8723: it is mounting automatically.. but it doesn't appear to be mounted in 'computer://'
[06:39] <marcin_ant> mario8723: right it mounts - and files are available in for example /media/cdrom0
[06:39] <Twigman> I assume this is related to dbus..
[06:39] <Twigman> marcin_ant: yep... same here..
[06:39] <mario8723> I know I have seen it somewhere though, unless I'm losing my mind-which is entirely feasible
[06:39] <marcin_ant> mario8723: but then if you go to computer and dblclick on cdrom then you got info that unable to mount volume (while it's alredy mounted)
[06:39] <Twigman> can't eject without trying to mount it (even though it is already mounted). Clicking 'close' on the 'failed to mount' dialog, and then unmounting it..
[06:40] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: are u here ?
[06:40] <ells> tritium: what is up Mike
[06:40] <Twigman> It's been this way for a long time, doesn't really bother me (I don't use media much) but it seems to be a long running issue ..
[06:40] <da_bon_bon> tritium: hi mike
[06:40] <tritium> ells, hey there.  I've been waiting on you :)
[06:40] <tritium> hi da_bon_bon :)
[06:40] <meldroc> dammit, the nvidia drivers do not want to work!  when I try enabling the nvidia drivers instead of the nv drivers, I get an NVidia splash screen, then I get a few pieces of the kdm login screen on top of it.  absolutely will not work correctly! >_<
[06:40] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: yes?
[06:40] <ells> sorry, man, I eneded up writing an 8 page term paper
[06:40] <tritium> What's up guys?
[06:41] <da_bon_bon> anyone here who runs sid + hoary ?
[06:41] <ells> tritium: I was hot
[06:41] <mario8723> Sorry I don't have any info here, but I'm sure somebody could help
[06:41] <meldroc> i had this exact same problem on my older debian unstable box - started happening when drivers updated to 6629.  i reverted to 6111 to make it go away.
[06:41] <tritium> ells, no problem
[06:41] <mario8723> I would be interested in the sid+hoary response as well
[06:41] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: u run sid + hoary right ? by adding the repos, right ?
[06:41] <meldroc> anyone know where I can get 6111 drivers for ubuntu?
[06:41] <ells> tritium: I cant beleive I was able to do it in such a short time
[06:41] <Twigman> Yeah.. the fact that it is happening on other people's pcs means that at least it's not just mine..
[06:42] <tritium> meldroc, possibly in morgue.ubuntu.com
[06:42] <meldroc> 6629 is utter crap!  nvidia should never have released it in that state.
[06:42] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: snd that ensures that it will always be updated to the latestest software ?
[06:42] <meldroc> thanks tritium
[06:42] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: *and
[06:42] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: my home machine's base is sid. Hoary bits are added and pinned as necessary.
[06:42] <mario8723> Is that a good idea? Sid+Hoary?
[06:42] <tritium> meldroc, but I don't know the date, sorry....
[06:42] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: whats pinning ?
[06:42] <crimsun> mario8723: absolutely not.
[06:42] <mario8723> crimsun: whaddup?
[06:42] <mario8723> Didn't sound like one
[06:42] <da_bon_bon> mario8723: yes, it is a good idea if u want a broken machine every now and then
[06:42] <mario8723> I figured as much
[06:42] <crimsun> mario8723: it's a horrible, horrible mess even if you know what you're doing.
[06:42] <mario8723> I'm sure
[06:43] <Twigman> ok everyone, I'm outta here.. See ya's..
[06:43] <crimsun> I like challenges. :-)
[06:43] <mario8723> Which is why I didn't add the Debian repo :)
[06:43] <tritium> da_bon_bon, if you want to try pinning, you might want to read the apt-howto
[06:43] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: man 5 apt_preferencs
[06:43] <mario8723> I hear ya
[06:43] <crimsun> apt_preferences ^
[06:43] <mario8723> I'm far from the point where I would be willing to "experiment"
[06:43] <mario8723> lol
[06:43] <da_bon_bon> crimsun, tritium: thanks
[06:43] <tritium> np
[06:43] <da_bon_bon> hey, how do i plat crack-attack ? which server do i join ?
[06:43] <crimsun> by all means, stick with Ubuntu's repos
[06:44] <meldroc> ew, the morgue.ubuntu.com interface makes it impossible to find anything
[06:44] <mario8723> Crimsun: what did you think about my onboard sound problem from last night? I'm screwed right?
[06:44] <mario8723> Unless I just purchase a Soundblaster card
[06:44] <meldroc> does anyone know if the new 7167 nvidia drivers fix the bugs in 6629?
[06:44] <crimsun> mario8723: not screwed, but I've been looking at things unrelated to Hoary for the past several hours (I spent about 12 hours fixing two universe packages)
[06:44] <mario8723> Sounds like fun
[06:45] <crimsun> yeah, broken build systems are "very fun"
[06:45] <mario8723> Do you actually develop for Ubuntu or just volunteer?
[06:45] <crimsun> mario8723: I don't think you're screwed
[06:45] <crimsun> mario8723: volunteer.
[06:45] <mario8723> Cool
[06:45] <meldroc> other than that, anyone know where i can find 7167 or 6111 nvidia driver packages?  i'm pretty sure that 6111 will work.  haven't tried 7167 yet...
[06:45] <crimsun> mario8723: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/MOTU
[06:45] <mario8723> So what do you think is my next step?
[06:46] <crimsun> mario8723: waiting to hear from upstream
[06:46] <crimsun> meldroc: I doubt Hoary will get 1.0-7167
[06:46] <mario8723> Oh, so you asked somebody for me?
[06:46] <crimsun> mario8723: absolutely
[06:46] <da_bon_bon> hey, whats the morgue.ubuntu.com ?
[06:46] <mario8723> That's awesome, thanks a lot!
[06:46] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: old, deprecated packages
[06:47] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: ah, ok
[06:47] <mario8723> I have to tell you, the best thing about switching to Linux thus far is the community
[06:47] <mario8723> Hands down
[06:47] <da_bon_bon> mario8723: right
[06:47] <crimsun> that's the way it should be :-)
[06:47] <da_bon_bon> mario8723: try finding #windows or #microsoft :)
[06:47] <da_bon_bon> ;)
[06:47] <mario8723> There was never any place like this where I could go when I was trying to learn Windows
[06:47] <mario8723> Ugh
[06:47] <mario8723> Yeah seriously
[06:48] <Brend> Hello. We're running the 5.04-preview release of hoary, and in the last week or so the machine it's on has frozen up completely and required a hard reboot. Is this conceivably Ubuntu, rather than a hardware problem? If so, what logs or other things should I look at?
[06:48] <Brend> That first sentence should have included the words "three or four times" :)
[06:48] <meldroc> 6629 is a piece of worthless crap.  i'd give anything to expel it from the distro
[06:48] <crimsun> Brend: can you pinpoint what the machine was doing when it froze?
[06:48] <meldroc> i've never been able to make it work right
[06:48] <crimsun> Brend: i.e. was it loading GNOME?
[06:48] <mario8723> Btw, that brings up a good question that I've had
[06:49] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: right, if it was then he would need noinotify ,right ?
[06:49] <Brend> crimsun, no, or at least I don't know how. This time it was checking out a very large SVN repository from itself, but other times it hasn't been
[06:49] <mario8723> Concerning Gnome
[06:49] <meldroc> so i'm gonna roll my own nvidia drivers from the downloads at nvidia.com - first try 7167, then try 6111.
[06:49] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: Preview shipped with 25.2, which disabled inotify by default
[06:49] <mario8723> I updated via synaptic to gnome-2.10 a few days ago
[06:49] <DarthFrog> Brend: Did you have the same problem with Warty?
[06:49] <mario8723> And there were supposedly all these new features...icons, themes etc
[06:50] <mario8723> I can't find any of them
[06:50] <crimsun> meldroc: keep in mind you'll be treading a thin line if you continue to update Hoary, then
[06:50] <Brend> DarthFrog, no, but we haven't run warty for any period of time
[06:50] <zenrox> meldroc,  7176 is nice
[06:50] <mario8723> I'm assuming everything was installed via synaptic
[06:50] <zenrox> meldroc,  works on hoary
[06:50] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: but i noticed, on 2.6.11, if i disable inotify then it is very slow. why is that ?
[06:50] <alka_trash> hey all
[06:50] <hone> how come I can't change my scaling_max_freq
[06:51] <DarthFrog> Brend: Have you done an "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade"?
[06:51] <crimsun> meldroc: whenever l-r-m or nvidia-glx or xorg* (and more packages) are updated, you'll have to reinstall the Nvidia drivers/libs
[06:51] <meldroc> yep...  every time a kernel updates, i have to redo my nvidia drivers.
[06:51] <alka_trash> anyone tried the new nvidia driver that was released the other day?
[06:51] <zenrox> crimsun,  at least till thay get relead with ubuntu's aprovial
[06:51] <Brend> DarthFrog, only the former.
[06:52] <meldroc> i'm about to.  6629 is completely broken for me, in the same way it was broken on my old box.
[06:52] <zenrox> meldroc, make shure you turn off x
[06:52] <DarthFrog> Brend: There's been a couple of kernel updates.
[06:52] <crimsun> zenrox: for Bendy, yes
[06:52] <Brend> I suppose really my question is, before we get on the phone to IBM, are there any checks we could do to see if this is actually a software issue?
[06:52] <DarthFrog> Brend: Try a dist-upgrade.   Is it a cheapass box?
[06:52] <Brend> No, it's a brand new IBM server :)
[06:52] <mario8723> I would call IBM
[06:52] <meldroc> zenrox - good idea...
[06:53] <crimsun> Brend: if you could locate ksymoops info in /var/log/syslog, that would help immensely
[06:53] <Brend> On the other hand, I've never seen any kind of linux box freeze up completely and silently, except when hardware died
[06:53] <zenrox> meldroc, do a sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[06:53] <zenrox> once you log out
[06:53] <mario8723> Anybody have an idea about the gnome-2.10 issue?
[06:53] <DarthFrog> Brend: Oh, IBM.  Hmm, if I were you, I'd put on a distro that IBM officially supports first,
[06:53] <Brend> crimsun, grep says no ksymoops in /var/log/syslog
[06:53] <crimsun> Brend: have you run memtest86+ ?
[06:53] <membreya> alka_trash: the 7129 drivers?
[06:54] <alka_trash> membreya: yeah
[06:54] <crimsun> Brend: grep for EIP
[06:54] <DarthFrog> Brend:  Cuz if you tell them Ubuntu, they might well say, Sorry.
[06:54] <meldroc> i know
[06:54] <membreya> running them without a problem
[06:54] <Brend> crimsun, also no
[06:54] <zenrox> same here
[06:54] <crimsun> Brend: ok, then I would run memtest86+ on it
[06:54] <alka_trash> kewl
[06:54] <Brend> Alright, I'll give that a try
[06:54] <zenrox> membreya,  x loads faster with the 7176 drivers
[06:54] <DarthFrog> Brend: The memtest suggestion is a very good one.
[06:54] <tritium> it can take some time, of course
[06:55] <mario8723> what's up membreya
[06:55] <membreya> mario8723, just having fun reinstalling everything :\
[06:55] <mario8723> hee hee
[06:55] <CompotatoJ> How do I get flash working for 64-bit ubuntu
[06:55] <mario8723> I'm going to install ati drivers myself in a few minutes
[06:56] <mario8723> Just waiting for a print job to finish
[06:56] <meldroc> did macromedia bother to port flash to amd64?
[06:56] <mario8723> compotatoJ: have you tried apt-get install flashplayer?
[06:56] <da_bon_bon> CompotatoJ: google. macromedia site has a installer
[06:58] <izm99> hey all!  I tried out the Ubuntu Live CD, earlier today.  Wrote about problems I encountered, etc.  If you're bored, you can read what I wrote on my blog.  http://www.stevenbrown.ca/blog/archives/64  I'd like to be sure information is correct.  :)
[06:59] <crimsun> izm99: it's actually fairly useful to post to ubuntu-users, too
[06:59] <izm99> crimsun, oh.  ok.  Is this mostly devs?
[06:59] <CompotatoJ> I am running a 64-bit system mario8723, da_bon_bon
[06:59] <crimsun> no, this channel is the general support channel. Everyone's welcome. :-)
[07:00] <da_bon_bon> CompotatoJ: how does that change anything ?
[07:00] <CompotatoJ> mario8723, yes, it didnt find anything
[07:00] <izm99> awesome. :)
[07:00] <CompotatoJ> da_bon_bon, macromedia says that they havent made one for x86)64
[07:00] <bjx0> Need help choosing a distro for your exact needs? Join #distro-choosing
[07:02] <tritium> izm99, for mp3, you need gstreamer0.8-mad
[07:02] <DarthFrog> izm99: Looks like a realistic experience.
[07:03] <izm99> tritium, oh ok.  and that isn't already installed in the Live-CD version?
[07:03] <tritium> izm99, I don't believe so
[07:03] <mario8723> Anybody know anything about the new gnome update?
[07:04] <DarthFrog> izm99: Burrard and Nelson, eh?  :-)  I'm in Burnaby.
[07:04] <izm99> DarthFrog, really?  hah.
[07:04] <Burgundavia> DarthFrog, izm99: Victoria
[07:04] <DarthFrog> izm99: Do you know about VanLUG?
[07:05] <DarthFrog> Burgundavia: OK, you host a get-together. :-)
[07:05] <izm99> DarthFrog, I went for my first time, last time.
[07:06] <DarthFrog> izm99: Was that the one where I had brought a bunch of Ubuntu CDs for distribution?
[07:06] <Burgundavia> you guys every make it over to VLUG? 2nd tuesday of every month
[07:06] <DarthFrog> izm99: I'm getting a 100 or so from shipit, for VanLUG and FVLUG.  And anyone else who wants one.
[07:07] <DarthFrog> Burgundavia: If I'm ever in Victoria then, I'd love to attend.
[07:07] <izm99> DarthFrog, ... possibly.  I'm not sure who, (maybe you) said there were a few left.  I didn't get one.
[07:07] <da_bon_bon> DarthFrog: i am sure mako mustve contacted u
[07:07] <Burgundavia> izm99: Victoria still has some. We can get some too you
[07:07] <izm99> Burgundavia, Victoria LUG?  No, I barely get over to the island....
[07:08] <DarthFrog> da_bon_bon: No, he hasn't.
[07:08] <DarthFrog> izm99: I still have some if you want one.
[07:08] <bjx0> Need help choosing a distro for your exact needs? Join #distro-choosing
[07:08] <Burgundavia> right, about that distro choosing
[07:08] <izm99> Burgundavia, DarthFrog, it's not a big deal.  really.  :)  I'll pick one up at the next meeting if they're around.
[07:09] <Burgundavia> I believe most of us have already chosen
[07:09] <da_bon_bon> DarthFrog: he wont ship so mant until u give proper reason, which u have,. so i am sure he will contact u
[07:09] <DarthFrog> izm99: If I can go, I'll bring them.
[07:09] <DarthFrog> da_bon_bon: He does the shipping?
[07:09] <da_bon_bon> DarthFrog: he manages it.
[07:09] <izm99> DarthFrog, if I can also go, cool.  :)
[07:10] <DarthFrog> da_bon_bon: Well, I'm fairly sure that distributing them to LUG members, etc. would be a legitimate reason. :-)
[07:10] <mario8723> Any gnome-heads in here?:)
[07:10] <meldroc> i take it to roll my own linux drivers, I need to do a ln -s linux-headers-2.6.10-4-386 linux, correct?
[07:10] <meldroc> nvidia drivers, i meen
[07:10] <crimsun> meldroc: no
[07:11] <crimsun> use /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build
[07:11] <mario8723> crimsun: you know anything about the new gnome?
[07:11] <meldroc> ?
[07:11] <crimsun> meldroc: do not symlink
[07:11] <meldroc> for building nvidia drivers, how do i do this?
[07:11] <DarthFrog> meldroc: The necessary links should be set up for you when you installed the headers.
[07:11] <crimsun> meldroc: tell the Nvidia installer to use /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build
[07:12] <crimsun> meldroc: read the README that's distributed with the Nvidia installer
[07:12] <crimsun> meldroc: particularly the advanced options
[07:12] <meldroc> oh, when it asks where to find the existing kernel modules
[07:12] <crimsun> mario8723: not much, why?
[07:12] <Chipzz> crimsun: *BZZZZZZZZZZZT*
[07:12] <Chipzz> crimsun: wrong answer. very wrong answer
[07:13] <meldroc> what's the correct answer?
[07:13] <Chipzz> crimsun: the right answer is: apt-get install nvidia-kernel-sources
[07:13] <mario8723> crimsun: Just wondering if maybe I did something wrong. Updated to 2.10 via synaptic but not seeing anything different
[07:13] <meldroc> that doesn't have the new drivers.  the 6629 drivers currently in ubuntu are broken for me.
[07:13] <mario8723> crimsun: no new themes, icons etc...no new menus
[07:13] <Chipzz> debian and ubuntu provide an INTEGRATED way of building nvidia drivers - use it
[07:14] <meldroc> i would if it worked. >_<
[07:14] <tritium> Chipzz, he's aware of that.  He's helping someone try the new nvidia drivers.
[07:14] <geneo93> mario8723:  did restart gnome
[07:14] <Chipzz> tritium: in that case, using nvidia-kernel-source is STILL the right answer
[07:14] <tritium> Chipzz, no, newer drivers not yet packaged
[07:15] <mario8723> geneo93:I've rebooted several times since installing it, yes
[07:15] <meldroc> the 6629 drivers are already installed on my system, but they're breaking in exactly the same way they broke on another machine - where I reverted to 6111 drivers to get things working again.
[07:15] <Chipzz> tritium: how about "overwrite the drivers you unpacked from nvidia-kernel-sources with the one from teh drivers, not overwriting the debian dir"?
[07:15] <tritium> Chipzz, i.e., Version > 6629
[07:16] <Burgundavia> mario8723: most of the changes were already in hoary
[07:16] <geneo93> geez i've has the 6629 drivers for some time and had no problems
[07:16] <Burgundavia> mario8723: If you installed warty, then changed to hoary, you would see the difference
[07:16] <Chipzz> tritium: no, really. why break your package management system with the nvidia installer when debian and ubuntu offer you the perfect solution?
[07:16] <mario8723> burgundavia: true, but from what I read on the gnome site there should have been a few themes, menus installed that would have been different?
[07:16] <Burgundavia> mario8723: http://www.gnomejournal.org/article/17/gnome-210-desktop-and-development-platform
[07:17] <tritium> Chipzz, the drivers don't work for meldroc.  Ask him
[07:17] <mario8723> burgundavia: I've only had Hoary-no Warty
[07:17] <meldroc> they have problems with older nvidia cards, i think.  i have a POS geforce4 mx440 in my system - it's a loaner since my good card went south and is being RMA'd
[07:17] <Burgundavia> mario8723: then the new menus are already in
[07:17] <caliber> i love my 6800GT OC
[07:17] <Burgundavia> mario8723: recently you were running 2.9, th development platform for 2.10.
[07:17] <st3v3n> anyone suggest an easy method to update gnome on ubuntu?
[07:17] <Chipzz> tritium: like I said, overwrite the c source from nvidia-kernel-source with the c source from the newer drivers, add an entry to the changelog, and build new drivers....
[07:17] <meldroc> bbl, going to thrash my nvidia drivers.
[07:17] <tritium> Chipzz, I too only use the nvidia .debs, but meldroc is trying another approach, which he is free to do
[07:17] <Burgundavia> st3v3n: just upgrade, it will come
[07:18] <st3v3n> so just download the latest ubuntu iso? :P
[07:18] <mario8723> burgundavia:I only downloaded Hoary about 2 weeks ago
[07:18] <tritium> Chipzz, I'm not sure why you're try to convince _me_
[07:18] <mario8723> I believe I had 2.8...
[07:19] <Burgundavia> mario8723: no, yes were running 2.9
[07:19] <Chipzz> tritium: the correct answer is a) update nvidia-kernel-sources yourself if you know how or b) stick with your current drivers and wait till the package is updated
[07:19] <Burgundavia> mario8723: make that: n, you were running 2.9
[07:19] <tritium> Chipzz, I'm not the one trying to do it...
[07:19] <Burgundavia> mario8723: much like when hoary releases you won't see a whole host of new features, as they are already being tested in hoary
[07:19] <mario8723> Understood
[07:19] <mario8723> thanks
[07:20] <tritium> Chipzz, furthermore, meldroc is free to do it however he wants to.  We don't enforce our will on others here.
[07:20] <da_bon_bon> anyone got festival-gaim working on hoary ?
[07:20] <Chipzz> tritium: screwing with teh package management system is asking for trouble and making sure this same person will be here again in the future asking why his drivers are broken...
[07:20] <tritium> Chipzz, I'm not even the one helping him.  Why do you persist?
[07:20] <Chipzz> nm
[07:21] <[FiDO] > does anyone know what the deal is with the nautilus-media package in hoary
[07:21] <helio7> I Cannot figure out which PPC kernel to choose for this blue imac 333; I'm scouring the wiki and forums and coming up empty... choices pasted HERE http://pastebin.ca/7392 !
[07:22] <[FiDO] > I can't update gnome-desktop-environment because of it
[07:22] <crb> Hello all
[07:23] <crb> I read that kickstart support in Ubuntu was 'preliminary'
[07:23] <crb> has it improved for the 5.04 preview release?
[07:25] <da_bon_bon> hey, anyone uses giam-festival ? it needs libtoolize and where do i find it? !
[07:25] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: in the 'libtool' package.
[07:26] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: thanks a ton
[07:26] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: np. Please use http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
[07:26] <helio7> What is the difference between powerpc, power3 and power4 kernels does anyone know?
[07:27] <meldroc> i'm back.  the new nvidia drivers work fine! :)
[07:27] <HiddenWolf> helio: optimised for the different processors
[07:27] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: oh, i didnt realize there already was a package
[07:27] <tritium> meldroc, congratulations :)
[07:27] <meldroc> too bad they're not getting into hoary.
[07:28] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: oh, sorry, ok. thanks for that link to
[07:28] <da_bon_bon> too
[07:29] <zenrox> meldroc,  i agree
[07:29] <Brend> Hello, me again. memtest86+ finished it's first pass clean. It's doing another pass but I have a hunch it's all clean
[07:29] <Brend> I'm wondering if the (crappy, disabled-in-bios) raid card is responsible :)
[07:30] <zenrox> meldroc, my x loaded faster just cause i use a pci ver of fx5200 128mb ddr (but the fixes included inproved pci preformance)
[07:30] <meldroc> any way i could talk someone in charge into reconsidering?  I'm sorry but the 6629 version of the nvidia drivers have a lot of problems.  I know I'm not the only one who's complained about them breaking things.
[07:30] <TQuid> Hiya folks.
[07:30] <tritium> meldroc, unlikely
[07:30] <meldroc> :(
[07:30] <tritium> In order to release, you have to have a feature freeze to let things stabilize
[07:31] <TQuid> So, everything is working since my install Friday except for sound.  It's an old Portege 7200 laptop, and it's got a Maestro soundcard, with ALSA seems to have identified correctly.  It plays sounds but they sound sort of sickly and slow, like the playback rate is wrong or something.
[07:31] <meldroc> now i have to remember which deb packages will break my nvidia drivers and force me to rebuild them every time they get upgraded.  Anything kernel related, along with anything X related or glx related.
[07:32] <zenrox> yep
[07:32] <tritium> meldroc, that's because you've custom installed
[07:32] <meldroc> not out of choice
[07:32] <TQuid> Any clues on that?
[07:32] <tritium> meldroc, I'm just saying, that's the reason.
[07:33] <meldroc> yep, I know
[07:33] <meldroc> how hard is it to make .debs out of the nvidia drivers?  maybe i could roll my own debs
[07:34] <zenrox> meldroc,  shuldent be to hard
[07:34] <tritium> meldroc, fairly easy.
[07:34] <meldroc> hmm...  maybe a project for another day - making debs of the 7167 nvidia drivers.
[07:35] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: now it asks for aclocal ? and i cant find it. what do i do ?
[07:36] <meldroc> bbl, right now i'm gonna install some games. B)
[07:37] <tritium> meldroc, if you want to, I can help you with the .debs
[07:37] <meldroc> maybe tomorrow.
[07:37] <tritium> ok
[07:37] <da_bon_bon> hey, which package contains aclocal ?
[07:38] <meldroc> catch ya later, thanks for the help. B)
[07:38] <tritium> see you meldroc
[07:39] <DarthFrog> What is the difference between multiverse and universe?
[07:39] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: install automake
[07:39] <Burgundavia> DarthFrog: universe is all the stuff that is free about they don't support
[07:39] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: thanks again :)
[07:40] <Burgundavia> DarthFrog: multiverse is stuff with legal issues
[07:40] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: please use the url I gave you to search for the package containing $foo
[07:40] <DarthFrog> Burgundavia: Tnx.
[07:40] <tritium> DarthFrog, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view
[07:40] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: i couldnt find it
[07:40] <DarthFrog> tritium: Tnx.
[07:40] <tritium> sure
[07:41] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: http://higgs.djpig.de/cgi-ubuntu//search_contents.pl?version=hoary&arch=i386&case=insensitive&word=aclocal&searchmode=searchword
[07:41] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: not sure how you couldn't find anything ;-)
[07:43] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: my bad :)
[07:44] <TQuid> *hrm* any general hints on diagnosing sound problems beyond the basic "I don't hear anything"?  google is not giving me much here.
[07:45] <hone> wt!?
[07:45] <hone> this is bugging me out man
[07:45] <hone> I don't understand my proc isn't speedstepping right
[07:45] <hone> it maxes out @ 1ghz as opposed to 1.5
[07:46] <eyequeue> TQuid:  dmesg | less, see if your heardware is found.  look in a mixer to see things are set appropriately (top bar in warty)
[07:47] <santiago> hi
[07:47] <gabaug> my hoary keeps freezing up very few seconds, mouse, sound, display all affected
[07:48] <santiago> I'm trying to upgrade to hoary but the list of packages is not updated successfully
[07:48] <gabaug> santiago: what error do you get?
[07:48] <factotum> from what im reading, i should be glad im sticking with warty for now LOL
[07:48] <santiago> synaptic or apt-get doesn't upgrade any package because it can find a new version
[07:48] <TQuid> eyequeue, all over the mixer action, alsa seems to have identified the card properly.  I un-muted several things to no effect (& again, I am getting weirdly garbled, quiet sound, not no sound at all).
[07:48] <Zotnix> apt-get -f install
[07:49] <Zotnix> Then see if it works again
[07:49] <TQuid> The system beep sounds fine fwiw.
[07:49] <eyequeue> TQuid:  beyond me, i ws just tossing out some starting points
[07:49] <santiago> gabaug, but, they can find and install new packages
[07:50] <gabaug> santiago: did you try Zotnix's suggestion to apt-ge t-f install?
[07:50] <santiago> gabaug, yes
[07:51] <gabaug> TQuid: you've got your speakers plugged into your speaker jack and not your mic jack? :)
[07:51] <TQuid> Thanks eyequeue, I was backing up since my highly specific query was greeted with staggering silence.  :)
[07:51] <TQuid> gabaug, laptop.  Laptop, man.
[07:51] <gabaug> TQuid: eh? I've got a mic jack on my laptop..
[07:51] <TQuid> I'm just using the built-in speakers.
[07:51] <gabaug> TQuid: ah
[07:51] <santiago> apt-get -f install doesn't fix any broken package
[07:52] <gabaug> santiago: you've changed all instances of "warty" to "hoary" in /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:52] <santiago> doesn't find any broken package
[07:53] <santiago> gabaug, yes:
[07:53] <santiago> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted
[07:53] <santiago> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary universe multiverse
[07:53] <gabaug> santiago: and it's failing on apt-get update?
[07:53] <santiago> gabaug, mmm, i think that i know where is the problem
[07:53] <alakdan> can someone help me out understand update-rc.d ? I have installed jabber , what Im trying to do is when the system starts up jabber is disabled (i just want to manually start it when needed). I have tried the following update-rc.d -f jabber stop 20 1 2 3 4 5 .  but Im getting "System startup links for /etc/init.d/jabber already exist."
[07:54] <TQuid> OK, thanks folks, I'm for bed.
[07:54] <santiago> gabaug, no, apt-get update downloads the lists well, but apt-get can find new versions
[07:54] <gabaug> santiago: so when you do apt-get -y dist-upgrade it says there's nothing to be done?
[07:55] <santiago> gabaug, I found the problem
[07:56] <santiago> gabaug, I didn't remember that I had a /etc/apt/preferences file, hoary had a very low priority
[07:56] <alakdan> anyone here used update-rc.d ?
[07:56] <santiago> sorry
[07:56] <santiago> alakdan, what do you need?
[07:56] <tritium> -y is rather dangerous with dist-upgrade
[07:56] <alakdan> santiago: just disable the jabber services on all run levels (I'll just start it manually)
[07:57] <tritium> good night everyone
[07:58] <gabaug> santiago: cool
[07:58] <santiago> alakdan, update-rc.d jabber stop 1 2 3 4 5 .
[07:58] <delltony> question if your laptop battery ran out causing your system to reboot hard, and in reisfer (spelling file system) it says Filesystem NOT clean how do you make it clean again?
[07:59] <santiago> gabaug, yep, Now I can go to sleep :)
[07:59] <DarthFrog> delltony: Just let it finish booting.
[07:59] <delltony> done that several times
[07:59] <alakdan> santiago: when I did that I get "System startup links for /etc/init.d/jabber already exist."
[07:59] <delltony> and every time i shutdown now -r or whatever it still says not clean
[08:00] <DarthFrog> delltony: try fsck.reiserfs then.
[08:00] <DarthFrog> Or fsck.reiser4 if you're using ReiserFS 4.
[08:00] <delltony> and the exact command is?
[08:01] <santiago> alakdan, verify that there aren't /etc/rc*.d/S??jabber
[08:01] <DarthFrog> fsck.reiserfs /dev/(partition number)
[08:01] <santiago> alakdan, ls -l /etc/rc*.d/*jabber
[08:01] <delltony> Partition /dev/hda1 is mounted with write permissions, cannot check it
[08:01] <DarthFrog> Try it from the live CD.
[08:02] <delltony> hmm ok
[08:02] <alakdan> santiago: there are symlinks there. Can I just remove them manually, or is there an easy way?
[08:03] <santiago> alakdan, you don't need to remove them, just use invoke-rc.d to turn into K20jabber symliks
[08:03] <alakdan> santiago: how do I do that then?
[08:03] <santiago> alakdan, if you want to remove them anyway, use invoke-rc.d remove jabber
[08:04] <santiago> alakdan, with the command that i send you before
[08:04] <santiago> bye #ubuntu
[08:04] <santiago> have a good night
[08:04] <alakdan> santiago: ok thanks :)
[08:09] <julz> howdy, i installed ubuntu on my old box and it boots fine but the mouse will not work. any idea what to do?
[08:09] <DarthFrog> julz: Use a PS/2 or USB mouse.
[08:10] <julz> sweet. thanks a lot
[08:10] <Kreiger> lol
[08:12] <faustus> howdy all
[08:13] <GNAM> what's your favourite bug in hoary preview?
[08:13] <delltony> ok just incase others wonder instead of having to do the live cd fsck you can do touch /forcefsck and reboot and it forces it to check or you can do shutdown now -F
[08:14] <faustus> is the XORg/ nvidia work onging towards official hoary release?
[08:15] <delltony> speaking of xorg and hoary are they ever gonna fix the bug in the xorg-fglrx that was reported at the beginning of hoary development where the thing generated a xfree86config4 file instead of xorg.conf ?
[08:15] <GNAM> nvidia support in hoary preview is broken?
[08:15] <Hmmmm> can someone pls lead me to some good ubuntu repositories?
[08:15] <fabbione> no. please update to the latest -27 kernel
[08:16] <fabbione> preview = ok
[08:16] <GNAM> ok
[08:16] <Jeezis> i'm having problems getting software updates to download and install
[08:16] <delltony> well whats the deal with the ati driver? it appears to still be borked or is it me?
[08:16] <daniels> delltony: how could I possibly fix it without the source from ATI?
[08:16] <delltony> didn't say you could :P
[08:17] <daniels> this is the downside of binary drivers.  you just get to wait for ATI or nVidia or whoever to fix it for you.
[08:17] <DarthFrog> delltony: Did it fix your problem?
[08:17] <delltony> yeah it did
[08:17] <DarthFrog> Good. :-)
[08:18] <delltony> but the thing i was talking about is making the xorg file from fglrxconf is all daniels
[08:18] <delltony> it makes a xfree86 file instead
[08:18] <delltony> the driver itself works
[08:19] <hone> you know what's really weird?
[08:20] <delltony> see daniels the driver you can download from ati makes the xorg.conf and all but here is the catch if you install it then when you go to upgrade and so forth you get errors out the butt cause of metacity
[08:25] <netmonk> can someone point me to understandable guide about how to transfer internet trafic from eth0 to eth1? i'm trying to use ubuntu also as a router.
[08:26] <Hmmmm> netmonk, "man iptables"
[08:30] <netmonk> thanks, Hmmmm. I give it a try. it looks way over my head. ;) by the way, if I make a script where do I have to put a line in order to start every time the pc starts?
[08:31] <meldroc> hello again.  got another problem...  I just installed foobillard, which in theory should give me sound with SDL, but its sound isn't working.  Other sound is working (like KDE's system sounds).
[08:32] <Hmmmm> netmonk, put it in /etc/rc.d/
[08:33] <meldroc> any ideas?
[08:34] <netmonk> Hmmmm, i have rc0.d, rc1.d and so on but no rc.d
[08:35] <sonojacker> Hello Ubuntu community.
[08:36] <sonojacker> Do anyone know about any network adpater's problem at Hoary latest updates?
[08:36] <Hmmmm> put in in rc0.d
[08:37] <sonojacker> Hmmmm, was that for me friend?
[08:38] <elixir> hi, i've got a question? what should I do?
[08:38] <fabbione> ask it perhaps? ;)
[08:39] <elixir> I would like to run a command at startup (without creating a daemon). Is that possible?
[08:39] <fabbione> yes
[08:39] <eyequeue> man update-rc.d elixir
[08:40] <Hmmmm> sonojacker, it was for netmonk
[08:40] <elixir> but update-rc.d is used to configure daemons....
[08:40] <fabbione> elixir: not only
[08:40] <elixir> I just wanna run a simple command
[08:40] <sonojacker> Hmmmm: I see.
[08:40] <elixir> really?
[08:40] <eyequeue> elixir:  among other things
[08:40] <fabbione> update-rc.d is used to execute a script
[08:40] <fabbione> the script has to be in /etc/init.d/
[08:40] <elixir> ooops... ok, then... I'll read more.. thanks
[08:41] <fabbione> update-rc.d will create the proper symlinks to call the script with the correct arguments
[08:41] <fabbione> (start|stop|reload|etc.)
[08:41] <sonojacker> (footnote: install rcconf to quickly modify the rc0.d dir)
[08:41] <fabbione> but it's up to the script to use them or not
[08:41] <fabbione> just be careful to play with that stuff
[08:41] <fabbione> you might end up not being able to boot the entire system
[08:42] <eyequeue> fabbione:  ??
[08:42] <elixir> yeah thanks... but that means I would have to create an script... am I wrong?
[08:42] <fabbione> elixir: clearly you need the script first
[08:42] <Hmmmm> anyone knows of some good ubuntu repositories?
[08:42] <eyequeue> elixir:  correct
[08:42] <fabbione> eyequeue: if you loop in the script in an unbreakable way you might hang there forever
[08:42] <fabbione> eyequeue: or remove some symlinks or stuff like that
[08:42] <elixir> but... Is there any file where I can place just a the command?
[08:42] <eyequeue> elixir:  the man page will point you to an example, iirc
[08:42] <sonojacker> anyone knows about troubles with recent ubuntu updates and network configurations?
[08:43] <eyequeue> fabbione:  ^C works
[08:43] <fabbione> eyequeue: not always
[08:43] <elixir> I remember there was /etc/conf.d/local.start in Gentoo
[08:43] <eyequeue> elixir:  this is not gentoo, there is no such in ubuntu
[08:44] <eyequeue> ubuntu is based on debian
[08:44] <elixir> ok, that answered my question... thanks...
[08:44] <eyequeue> k
[08:44] <elixir> I'll crreate the script hen...
[08:44] <elixir> thanks
[08:44] <streetbmx> is there a diff between vmlinuz and bzImage?
[08:46] <eyequeue> eyequeue
[08:46] <meldroc> nite all
[08:59] <sonojacker> People.  I am having problems for networking after some hoary updates.
[08:59] <sonojacker> I cannot get network access.  Pinging my router's address without success.
[09:00] <GNAM> hi all
[09:00] <sonojacker> The same machine worked at Warty
[09:00] <GNAM> where can i find most important bugs of hoary preview?
[09:01] <airox> sonojacker: Got the interface in the state up ?
[09:01] <airox> ifconfig ethX up ?
[09:01] <sonojacker> airox: yes
[09:01] <airox> You are shure it has the right ip address bound to the interface and the right netmask
[09:01] <airox> ?
[09:01] <navreet> how can I let a chroot environment open up a window in X?
[09:01] <sonojacker> yes
[09:02] <sonojacker> the right netmask and ip address
[09:02] <airox> sonojacker: Do you have some firewall enabled ?
[09:02] <sonojacker> nope
[09:02] <sonojacker> in fact
[09:02] <airox> (try doing iptables -L )
[09:03] <sonojacker> airox: Oh! interesting... I am on it
[09:04] <airox> Ok.
[09:07] <odie5533> Why does Ubuntu use gnome over kde?
[09:07] <sonojacker> airox: Done.  Without success.  Now I am not using DHCP. And pinging the host is still not working.
[09:08] <airox> Does the host allow ping ?
[09:08] <sonojacker> sorry I meant I was pinging the router.
[09:08] <airox> Same question then.
[09:08] <sonojacker> and other locations inside the net
[09:08] <airox> hmm...
[09:09] <sonojacker> this happened after updateing hoary
[09:09] <sonojacker> is so interesting, since this same thing happens to my wifi adapter here
[09:09] <airox> dhclient ethX works ?
[09:09] <sonojacker> it happened as well after updating something at hoary
[09:09] <sonojacker> no it does not
[09:09] <airox> So, are you getting a dhcp lease ?
[09:09] <airox> ah.
[09:10] <airox> Try doing this: arp <ip_of_router>
[09:11] <sonojacker> airox: thx, I am on it now
[09:12] <airox> sonojacker: Which NIC do you havE ?
[09:13] <airox> s/E/e/
[09:13] <sonojacker> no entry it says
[09:13] <sonojacker> it is a Davicom Semiconductor Inc. 21x4x DEC-Tulip compatible Eth
[09:15] <sonojacker> airox: connection was working perfectly at warty.  But as upgrades had been so stable, I didnt' care much about auditing what was upgraded or configuration overwritten.
[09:17] <crschmidt> Totally new to Debian and ubuntu. Trying to install a mysql server... but apt-cache search mysql doesn't seem to list a server?
[09:17] <sonojacker> airox: I installed warty's cd, changed immediately all my sources to hoary, and apt-get upgraded.
[09:17] <Brend> It's called mysql-server I think, but you might have to turn on "universe" or even "multiverse" in /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:18] <crschmidt> How do I rebuild the apt driectory?
[09:19] <crschmidt> (After changing my sources list)
[09:19] <eyequeue> apt-get update
[09:19] <eyequeue> sudo apt-get update
[09:19] <crschmidt> Thanks
[09:20] <crschmidt> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[09:20] <airox> sonojacker: I guess it should not change your networking environment :(
[09:20] <crschmidt> is that the right line for universe?
[09:22] <sonojacker> airox: i see.  Do you have any idea airox; could that be a hoary related issue indeed?
[09:22] <airox> Could be.
[09:22] <airox> sonojacker: Physically all is Ok ?
[09:23] <airox> Can you ping the interface's adress ?
[09:23] <sonojacker> airox: definetely. Everything ok
[09:23] <sonojacker> no, no answer
[09:23] <sonojacker> and is so curious
[09:23] <sonojacker> since gnome's network monitor, shows me constant packets in and out
[09:24] <Quarupt> i downloaded a full album, but its one mp3, what program can i use to split it up into seperate MP3's for each song?
[09:24] <sonojacker> but i can't ping...
[09:25] <airox> sonojacker: What does ifconfig show
[09:25] <airox> ?
[09:25] <sonojacker> airox: this same is happening to my laptop's wifi adapter after upgrading to hoary
[09:25] <deFrysk>  grip sound juicer
[09:25] <Quarupt> grip sound juicer?
[09:25] <sonojacker> ifconfig shows a dead adapter:
[09:25] <deFrysk> Quarupt, sorry misread your question
[09:26] <sonojacker> Link encap: ethernet HWaddr 00:08:A1:33 etc...
[09:26] <airox> sonojacker: It has a ip also ?
[09:26] <sonojacker> inet6 addr: fe80::208: etc.  Scope:link
[09:26] <sonojacker> but no inet address
[09:26] <airox> :/
[09:27] <sonojacker> really airox, I am so dazzled
[09:27] <airox> sonojacker: You should give the interface an inet address
[09:27] <sonojacker> I am on it ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.3
[09:28] <airox> ifconfig eth0 up 192.168.1.3 netmask <netmask>
[09:28] <sonojacker> OK, there we are netmask 255.255.255.0
[09:29] <sonojacker> let's ping the router at 192.168.1.1
[09:30] <sonojacker> interesting... Host is unreachable, but the ethernet lights are flashing
[09:30] <sonojacker> at every request
[09:30] <membreya> does it really say <netmask> in your ifconfig sonojacker ?
[09:30] <eyequeue> cable?
[09:31] <sonojacker> let me check
[09:32] <dwa_> does anybody own a toshiba 490xcdt in here?
[09:32] <sonojacker> yes it does: Mask: 255.255.255.0
[09:32] <membreya> can you ping your gateway?
[09:33] <sonojacker> no membreya, I can't after hoary upgrade
[09:34] <sonojacker> and it is not a problem in my network, since this computer is connected to the same router
[09:35] <crschmidt> how can I install qmail?
[09:35] <sonojacker> with an ethernet NIC.
[09:35] <sonojacker> I read comments of people having this same problem after hoary.
[09:36] <airox> crschmidt: apt-cache search qmail; apt-get install qmail(?);
[09:36] <eyequeue> multiverse?
[09:36] <crschmidt> E: Package qmail has no installation candidate
[09:36] <crschmidt> I have multiverse. I think.
[09:36] <crschmidt> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe multiverse
[09:37] <membreya> crschmidt, sudo apt-get source --compile qmail
[09:38] <membreya> damn
[09:38] <membreya> http://mirror.clarkson.edu/pub/distributions/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/q/qmail/
[09:38] <membreya> go there and get the source
[09:38] <crschmidt> I'd need gcc to get the source, eh? :)
[09:39] <membreya> sudo apt-get install build-essential crschmidt
[09:39] <sonojacker> so airox, membreya, is there a way I can't open or follow a bug for ubuntu developers with this few precise information?
[09:39] <sonojacker> s /can't/ can
[09:41] <airox> sonojacker: First check if the problem is ubuntu related.
[09:42] <airox> Gtg now, work :(
[09:43] <airox> Good luck sonojacker !
[09:43] <sonojacker> airox: thanx so much
[09:43] <sonojacker> airox: for your patience and time.  r u an ubuntu developer?
[09:44] <airox> No, I'm just a student who has nothing to do :)
[09:44] <crschmidt> Thank god for those.
[09:44] <crschmidt> Without a bunch of students with nothing to do, where would Linux be today?
[09:44] <airox> ;)
[09:44] <airox> hehe
[09:44] <membreya> commercially viable? :P
[09:44] <sonojacker> airox and membreya: unfortunately my problem is ubuntu-hoary related. Adapter worked in Fedora, Warty, it works in the winsucks dual booting, but not in Hoary
[09:45] <sonojacker> hehehe
[09:45] <airox> Somebody should slap membreya.
[09:45] <membreya> :D
[09:45] <membreya> im just bitter because convertfs killed a month of configuring my pc
[09:45] <crschmidt> membreya: Hah! Like commercial viability ever got anyone anywhere! Look at Bill Gate... oh. Right.
[09:45] <membreya> and then I copied the old /home directory..but it didn't grab my emails :|
[09:45] <airox> :P
[09:45] <membreya> hahaha crschmidt :P
[09:46] <airox> Well, bye bye for now :)
[09:46] <sonojacker> airox: bye and thx once again
[09:46] <membreya> enjoy your 30 minute work day airox :P
[09:46] <airox> membreya: I don't have 30 minutes working days ....
[09:46] <airox> More like 10 hours....
[09:47] <airox> Some students try to do some extra work ;)
[09:47] <airox> ciao
[09:47] <crschmidt> hm.
[09:47] <crschmidt> installed postfix.
[09:47] <crschmidt> can send mail to crschmidt@localhost...
[09:47] <crschmidt> but not crschmidt@crschmidt.net
[09:47] <MemnocH> hey people, made a nice mistake, how do i reset my rootpasswrd on a clean install :(
[09:48] <crschmidt> MemnocH: if you're me, you just reinstall
[09:48] <wezzer-> yea, rm -rf /
[09:48] <MemnocH> *cries*
[09:48] <MemnocH> I know its the easy option...
[09:48] <MemnocH> suppose this means ill eat dinner then
[09:49] <jesus_> boot with cd as root, chroot, change pass
[09:49] <MemnocH> Also X fails to startup, very crappy errors,
[09:49] <MemnocH> pci-e gf6600gt, known issues at all?
[09:50] <membreya> MemnocH: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=293477
[09:51] <membreya> find the part about ubuntu
[09:51] <sonojacker> ok guys.. time to pray to the god of all kernel modules... I will reboot after a set of hoary updates... hope to be back somehow... :-O
[09:51] <xamdm> MemnocH, ther are problems with nvidia-drivers and pciecards, try the new driver from nvidia
[09:51] <xamdm> MemnocH, ore try using the vesa-drivers (no 3D)
[09:51] <membreya> that will tell you how to reset the password
[09:52] <MemnocH> membreya: thanks
[09:52] <sonojacker> those updates by the way, were solely fglrx updates... ati stuff... geezz here I go
[09:52] <AndyR> lo all
[09:52] <MemnocH> xamdm: ill try that shortly
[09:52] <MemnocH> is there program to config xfree?
[09:52] <MemnocH> with a console interface?
[09:52] <xamdm> MemnocH, if so, dont't install restricted modules nvidia-glx..., only the nvidia-driver ..
[09:53] <MemnocH> I havnt installed nvidia yet
[09:53] <MemnocH> it was from a fresh install
[09:53] <xamdm> xf86config
[09:53] <AndyR> membreya, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[09:53] <MemnocH> amd64 base
[09:53] <membreya> not me AndyR ...but thanks :P
[09:53] <Hmmmm> can someone be kind enough to suggest some good warty reopositories to me?
[09:53] <AndyR> lol, sorry
[09:53] <MemnocH> AndyR: think that ones for me
[09:53] <MemnocH> thx
[09:54] <xamdm> MemnocH, then try only the vesa driver 1st, the nv-driver from xfree/xorg doesn't support gf6600 6800 GPU's
[09:54] <AndyR> MemnocH, yes
[09:54] <MemnocH> ok, should I try the nvidia drivers?
[09:54] <xamdm> MemnocH, yes
[09:54] <xamdm> MemnocH, but X will fail after installation
[09:55] <_axel> hmm, i finally managed to get nvidia working with hoary -- no big deal after all!
[09:55] <xamdm> MemnocH, i never have X after freshinstall, to new hardware ;-)
[09:55] <MemnocH> ok, so let it fail then install nvidia drivers, hopefully it will do its kernel stuff, and all work ok?
[09:56] <MemnocH> new to linux on a desktop
[09:56] <DrecoZA> greetings
[09:56] <MemnocH> thanks for the forthcomming help guys
[09:56] <membreya> np MemnocH ...part of what makes ubuntu great :)
[09:56] <MemnocH> nice to actualy get pointers and answers to questions on irc :
[09:57] <xamdm> how can a build a ubuntu-package with the new Nvidia-drivers ??, is there a howto available ??
[09:57] <MemnocH> xamdm: I need that too :)
[09:57] <xamdm> ;-)
[09:57] <AndyR> my main box running hoary is back on nv xserver like everyone else i would think, but also sons box running warty with nvidia xserver keeps crashing too
[09:57] <_axel> xamdm: you can rebuild nvidia-kernel-source from the sid package
[09:57] <DrecoZA> I have an HP Laserjet running on a networked Windows XP machine, the printer has been installed on Ubuntu however when I print to it, I get the following error: Printing: Network host '192.168.0.78' is busy; will retry in 30 seconds...
[09:58] <_axel> xamdm: using kernel-package
[09:58] <xamdm> _axel is this 7167 ??
[09:58] <_axel> xamdm: yup
[09:58] <xamdm> cool
[09:58] <_axel> xamdm: running satisfactorily here for 2 days
[09:59] <xamdm> hopes that drivers fix my problems on Notebook with gf FX5200
[09:59] <AndyR> DrecoZA, do you need to pass username/password to printy?
[09:59] <AndyR> -y
[10:00] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> can someone help me.  Version of libglib2.0-0 on system is 2.4.7-0ubuntu2.
[10:00] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy>  nessus depends on libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.6.0); however:
[10:00] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> i want to upgrade all of this
[10:00] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> how can i do that
[10:00] <xamdm> _axel, wont this depen on a kernel-image-xx instead of linux-image-xx ??, have this problem with bcm5700
[10:01] <DrecoZA> Hi AndyR no not needed
[10:01] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> guys im on the stable version of ubuntu
[10:01] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> how can i upgrade things like libglib and libgtk
[10:01] <xamdm> _axel how did jou get the nvidia-glx package to work ??, sid still uses xfree instead of xorg
[10:03] <AndyR> [CX] -sw0rdsavy, upgrade to hoary?
[10:03] <MemnocH> is x.org much better than xfree
[10:03] <MemnocH> ?
[10:03] <AndyR> MemnocH, seems to be here
[10:04] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> andr, can i do this without loosing my home dir
[10:04] <xamdm> MemnocH, just a few new features ..
[10:04] <AndyR> [CX] -sw0rdsavy, yes
[10:05] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> AndyR, can i upgrade to debian without loosing my home dir
[10:06] <AndyR> [CX] -sw0rdsavy, not sure, ive not done it
[10:06] <AndyR> is /home on a different partition?
[10:06] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> no
[10:06] <MemnocH> Any one running amd64 version? Or know of any issues I might have getting gnome up and running?
[10:07] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> can yall list the pros and cons of debian/ horay
[10:09] <membreya> grrrr...the .run for the nvidia drivers won't install >:(
[10:09] <MyNameIsChris> Whenever I boot my Warty system, if I have my sd card in my reader my ps2 ports fail to work. Otherwise the card reader works fine once booted
[10:09] <MyNameIsChris> /proc/version = Linux version 2.6.8.1-5-686-smp (buildd@terranova) (gcc version 3.3.4 (Debian 1:3.3.4-9ubuntu5)) #1 SMP Sat Feb 12 01:22:34 UTC 2005
[10:10] <membreya> smp? lucky bugger
[10:10] <MyNameIsChris> Ht P4
[10:10] <membreya> aaah
[10:10] <MemnocH> http://www.ubuntuguide.org <- holly crap, one of the best guide pages ive ever seen!
[10:11] <membreya> someone able to help with why I can't install the nvidia drivers from the .run
[10:11] <membreya> it complains that it can't locate the kernel source
[10:11] <MyNameIsChris> MemnocH, perhaps that is why it is always recommended in this channel
[10:11] <membreya> MemnocH, ...it's good but it's for warty :|
[10:11] <MyNameIsChris> And Warty is good
[10:11] <membreya> hoary ;)
[10:12] <MemnocH> ive only got the 4.10 disc here so its ideal for me :)
[10:12] <membreya> download MemnocH ..takes all of 10 minutes :)
[10:12] <MemnocH> can a warty be updated to latest easly?
[10:13] <gustav_> membreya: I've tried too install from nvidias .run file but never succeded. But you can use the restricted modules package and nvidia-glx.
[10:13] <membreya> yurp
[10:13] <MemnocH> I cant burn cd's atm
[10:13] <membreya> gustav_: i succeeded on my last install of ubuntu, but convertfs destroyed that
[10:15] <gustav_> membreya: But instead of the .run file you can install the restricted modules package and nvidia-glx package with apt-get. It works for me
[10:17] <gustav_> membreya: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver
[10:17] <MyNameIsChris> So, no one knows why I cannot boot my system to a workable state when I have my card in the reader?
[10:18] <scizzo> MyNameIsChris: what card in what reader?
[10:19] <MemnocH> when i attempt to run a apt-get update etc or install, im loged in with my account I created at install time, it asks for a password, I use my own account password dont I? because root is off by default?
[10:19] <_axel> MemnocH: root _login_ is off by default ;)
[10:19] <scizzo> MemnocH: yes
[10:19] <scizzo> MemnocH: sudo apt-get update
[10:19] <MyNameIsChris> When my sd card is in my reader as I boot I get to the welcome screen but my ps2 ports don't work and I am forced to reset. If it is out of the reader it boots fine. DSE card, Sandisk reader
[10:20] <membreya> gustav_, the binary only allows for linux 2.6.10-4
[10:20] <membreya> I'm running 2.6.11
[10:21] <gustav_> ok
[10:21] <MyNameIsChris> Once booted I stick it in and it mounts it, everyone is happy
[10:21] <MyNameIsChris> I am happy with 2.6.8
[10:22] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> can someone help me decide which distro to use
[10:22] <MemnocH> any one running transgaming or wineX and has games working mostly ok?
[10:22] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> the newer horay or sarge debian?
[10:22] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> :(
[10:22] <scizzo> [CX] -sw0rdsavy: that is up to you
[10:23] <Chipzz> what most people here appear to forget is that you can do sudo su =
[10:23] <scizzo> [CX] -sw0rdsavy: hoary will be released as stable soon enough and I am using it on one of the servers + 2 workstations
[10:23] <AndyR> [CX] -sw0rdsavy, only you can deside
[10:23] <Chipzz> sudo su - even
[10:23] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> i mean i like ubuntu but debian seems to have more up to date .debs
[10:23] <_axel> MemnocH: i have had success with warcraft3 and call of duty with winex
[10:23] <scizzo> Chipzz: sudo -s -H works also
[10:24] <membreya> was just about to mention that scizzo :P
[10:24] <Chipzz> never used those options
[10:24] <AndyR> [CX] -sw0rdsavy, personally i would install hoary
[10:24] <scizzo> [CX] -sw0rdsavy: workstation I would use hoary
[10:24] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> any reasons in pactuliar that one has that the other dosent
[10:24] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> this will be a workstation/ server
[10:24] <Chipzz> scizzo: more difficult to remember :P
[10:24] <scizzo> Chipzz: is it? :P
[10:25] <Chipzz> IMHO it is ;)
[10:25] <scizzo> Chipzz: its parameters sent to sudo...hehe... :P just as hard as su -
[10:25] <scizzo> hehe
[10:25] <munki> anybody know a good DVD-ripper for X ?
[10:26] <AndyR> there seems little point in installing warty now the development has slowed
[10:26] <AndyR> on hoary i mean
[10:26] <scizzo> AndyR: Warty is stable...all development is in hoary now
[10:26] <Chipzz> scizzo: but most people allready know "su -" :)
[10:26] <scizzo> Chipzz: haha
[10:26] <Chipzz> that's something you don't have to learn again ;)
[10:26] <AndyR> scizzo, but hoary is about to go stable
[10:26] <scizzo> Chipzz: 2 parameters...please.. :P
[10:26] <scizzo> AndyR: soon yes
[10:27] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> well my only question is which one would be more sutible for a workstation/server application and why not debian or horay
[10:27] <Chipzz> scizzo: I won't remember those tomorrow :P
[10:27] <scizzo> AndyR: Warty is stable and has security updates..nothing wrong with that...
[10:27] <membreya> after hoary..we have grumpy :)
[10:27] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> sorry if its such a broad question
[10:27] <jdub> [CX] -sw0rdsavy: either, depends what you want.
[10:27] <scizzo> eekk a jdub
[10:27] <membreya> jdub?
[10:27] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> i want the most up to date security up dates and the most packages
[10:28] <jdub> [CX] -sw0rdsavy: then choose warty.
[10:28] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> but dose not debian have security updates
[10:28] <jdub> the current security supported debian release is 2 1/2 years old
[10:28] <membreya> whatchu talkin about scizzo ?
[10:29] <minimal> how to activate the root account in ubuntu(the default setting is disabled)
[10:29] <minimal> ?
[10:29] <scizzo> membreya: ?
[10:29] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> i'm on warty
[10:29] <jdub> minimal: www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RootSudo
[10:29] <membreya> scizzo eekk a jdub
[10:29] <Chipzz> jdub: sarge has security updates since a few months IIRC too
[10:29] <minimal> jdub: thanks :)
[10:29] <jdub> minimal: wouldn't recommend doing it unless you have a very specific reason to, however
[10:29] <jdub> Chipzz: and is still not stable/released
[10:29] <scizzo> membreya: yes... "eek! = a small scream" "a jdub = a person that I have seen around a lot"
[10:30] <Chipzz> jdub: but it is close... or so people keep telling me ;)
[10:30] <membreya> jdub is somewhat of a fixture in this room :P
[10:30] <scizzo> :P
[10:30] <scizzo> nm
[10:30] <membreya> Chipzz: is that like Microsoft having a secure OS "soon soon" ?
[10:30] <scizzo> not only here I have seen him
[10:30] <jdub> membreya: no
[10:31] <Chipzz> more like "when hell freezes over" soon ;)
[10:31] <Chipzz> s/hell/sarge/ :P
[10:31] <membreya> at least ubuntu has semi-fixed release dates :)
[10:31] <jdub> semi-fixed?
[10:31] <membreya> "april"
[10:31] <jdub> um
[10:31] <jdub> www.ubuntu.com/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule
[10:32] <membreya> danke jdub ....care to pass the ketchup? make it easier to eat my foot when I put it in my mouth :P
[10:33] <Chipzz> *sigh*
[10:33] <Chipzz> Nero for linux is a gtk+ 1.2 app
[10:33] <Chipzz> why still make a gtk+ 1.2 app now?
[10:33] <Chipzz> ah well
[10:33] <jdub> it's smaller when you build your app statically
[10:34] <Chipzz> it could have been a Qt app :P
[10:34] <Chipzz> jdub: but it's linked dynamically
[10:34] <Chipzz> that's how I found out in the first place
[10:34] <minimal> jdub: the root account still doesn't seem to work
[10:34] <jdub> if that's the case, then they know it's going to work on more distros
[10:34] <jdub> minimal: you haven't told me what you did
[10:34] <Chipzz> jdub: I do not even have gtk+ 1.2 installed on some of my boxen
[10:34] <Chipzz> all gtk+2.0
[10:34] <jdub> Chipzz: you're an uncommon user
[10:35] <minimal> jdub: sudo passwd root
[10:35] <Chipzz> I am? :P
[10:35] <jdub> minimal: and what happened?
[10:35] <Chipzz> jdub: well, patching mplayer to use gtk+2.0 so I wouldn't have to install gtk+1.2 would classify as "unusual", I guess ;)
[10:35] <minimal> jdub: i changed the password but when i try to login as root nothing happens
[10:35] <xamdm> _axel: i have bad berformance with nvidia 7167 did jou experience the same ??
[10:36] <_axel> xamdm: nope
[10:36] <_axel> xamdm: same as warty
[10:36] <xamdm> _axel. 20 fps less than 6629 !!
[10:36] <_axel> xamdm: i havent really put my card under stress for a while now though... got sick of Enemy Territory a couple of months ago ;)
[10:37] <_axel> xamdm: that can be caused my multiple factors
[10:37] <_axel> s/my/by
[10:37] <xamdm> _axel: testet with ut2004 and racer beta0.5.2.79
[10:37] <gustav_> minimal: you can't login as root but you can use su to swich to root
[10:38] <xamdm> _axel: only updated the driver with 6629 everything is fast
[10:38] <minimal> gustav_: ok, thx
[10:38] <_axel> xamdm: then stick to 6629 if it works better for you
[10:38] <_axel> xamdm: but im not sure it will work with kernel 2.6.10
[10:38] <xamdm> _axel, need this driver 6629 locks console on my notebook .-(
[10:39] <rizla> hi folks. does anybody knows if there is an italian irc channel about ubuntu?
[10:39] <xamdm> _axel: 6629 runs perfect on 2.6.10
[10:39] <_axel> xamdm: and you absolutely need those 20 fps? are they a frag-critical issue? ;)
[10:39] <xamdm> _axel: running a game with 30 ore 10 fps ;-)
[10:39] <_axel> ah well
[10:39] <minimal> yet, another question :) where can i get gcc for ubuntu? and how can i acces my vfat drives, it's doable from the root shell, but when i try to acces it as a normal user i'm not permitted to do so
[10:39] <_axel> xamdm: i noticed you get a noticeable boost if you change your X server bit depth from 24 to 16
[10:39] <minimal> *access
[10:40] <MyNameIsChris> minmimal: apt-get install build-essential
[10:40] <xamdm> _axel: i needn't to do so if used 6629 ..., i belive ther is something wrong ..
[10:41] <_axel> xamdm: also try loading the nvidia_agp module which is better than agpgart i _think_
[10:41] <xamdm> _axel, maybe only use the 7167 on my notebook, and switch back to 6629 on my Computer ...
[10:41] <MyNameIsChris> XChat has a lot of information in a /version
[10:41] <popeyethesailor> hello
[10:41] <_axel> xamdm: or that ;)
[10:41] <xamdm> _axel, ill try that
[10:41] <__Ace__> hey
[10:42] <popeyethesailor> anyone familiar with the hotplug system
[10:42] <xamdm> _axel: how can i force the system to do so an startup ??
[10:42] <Chipzz> http://chipzz.studentenweb.org/NeroLINUX.png :P
[10:42] <__Ace__> Im trying to install xemacs here, but no luck... and apparently, its not in the "Package Manager"
[10:42] <xamdm> _axel: back i a few minutes
[10:43] <__Ace__> tried to compile it, but no luck... missing libraries
[10:43] <MemnocH> reconfiging xfree after putting nvidia drivers in, should I use frambuffer support? gf6600gt pci-e
[10:43] <__Ace__> anyone here that can tell me what to do?
[10:43] <|QuaD-_> Chipzz: do you own it?
[10:43] <daniels> MemnocH: no
[10:45] <Chipzz> |QuaD-_: no, just found a deb somewhere ;P
[10:45] <gustav_> anyone knows how to add programs to the gnome menus in hoary?
[10:45] <|QuaD-_> Chipzz: blah
[10:46] <MyNameIsChris> gustav_, which menu?
[10:46] <gustav_> MyNameIsChris: the program menu
[10:46] <AndyR> gustav_, when you find out pls write a howto on wiki :)
[10:46] <MemnocH> how do i start x now I have it config'd?
[10:46] <MyNameIsChris> nautilus applications:///MenuName
[10:47] <MemnocH> startx is depreciated isnt it?
[10:47] <MyNameIsChris> nautilus applications:///System for example
[10:47] <membreya> MemnocH: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[10:47] <membreya> MyNameIsChris that only works in warty
[10:47] <membreya> not in hoary
[10:47] <MemnocH> hmm all scrambled
[10:47] <xamdm> _axel: nvidia_agp didn't change anything
[10:47] <gustav_> MyNameIsChris: sorry they disabled that in gnome 2.10
[10:47] <MyNameIsChris> I assumed it would be the same
[10:47] <Cam-> ive heard about this kickstart release in Hoary, but where in where is this documentation?
[10:47] <Cam-> nothing been written yet?
[10:47] <MyNameIsChris> Sorry
[10:48] <membreya> hang on Cam-
[10:48] <MemnocH> is there a command to stop x? I cant see anything other than blocks of pixels etc
[10:48] <MyNameIsChris> Why would they disable it?
[10:48] <MyNameIsChris> It was useful
[10:48] <_axel> xamdm: added it to /etc/modules?
[10:48] <membreya> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=16699&highlight=add+menu
[10:48] <Adrenal> i have an odd problem, regarding firefox
[10:48] <membreya> there you go chris
[10:48] <xamdm> _axel: yes did this
[10:49] <membreya> MemnocH, do a CTRL + ALT + BACKSPACE
[10:49] <membreya> and Cam-
[10:49] <Adrenal> used to be, when i used the bookmarks drop down menu, and middle clicked on a folder, the contents opened in new tabs
[10:49] <membreya> how to add menu's in hoary :)
[10:49] <membreya> or a CTRL+ALT+F1 to exit to a terminal
[10:49] <Adrenal> that no longer happens. In fact, middle clicking does not work at all in the drop down menu, it does on normal pages though
[10:49] <_axel> xamdm: be sure to check linux forums at nvidia.com, maybe you can find more info there... if more fps-savvy people are having issues they'll surely post in there
[10:49] <MemnocH> none of those work
[10:49] <MyNameIsChris> Well I have to go now
[10:50] <xamdm> _axel: thx, ill try that
[10:50] <Zotnix> Hey jdub, nice introduction for ubuntuk :)
[10:50] <Adrenal> ahahaha, in the tropics
[10:52] <Cam-> adding menu's?
[10:52] <Cam-> kickstart?
[10:52] <MemnocH> hmm on a reboot gdm auto starts now, how can I kill it, I cant get into a text console now
[10:52] <MemnocH> ctrl + alt + f1 or ctrl + alt + bkspace doesnt work
[10:53] <Zotnix> That is supposed to work.
[10:53] <Zotnix> to kill gdm /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[10:53] <MemnocH> cant get to console...
[10:53] <Zotnix> It will kill X
[10:55] <Zotnix> You can do that in an xterm
[10:55] <MemnocH> I cant get into a console though
[10:55] <Zotnix> granted, not a clean way to shutdown gnome.
[10:57] <MemnocH> any other idea's?
[10:57] <prego> hello. gnome-font-properties has a DPI box. However xdpyinfo already provides such information. I'm using my machine from different displays so I have to change the DPI setting each time I switch my display- Is there any way to make gnome-font-properties use the display information rather than the own setting?
[10:58] <jdub> not at the moment, unfortunately
[10:58] <prego> jdub, talking to me?
[10:58] <jdub> yes
[10:58] <munki> where can I get the pkg transcode ?
[10:58] <prego> jdub, OK, thanks for the quick answer
[10:59] <prego> ;-)
[10:59] <MemnocH> ctrl + alt + f1 or ctrl + alt + bkspace doesnt work after a reboot either to kill gdm
[11:05] <prego> This one is harder. Is there any key to abort a X-server grab? Sometimes I hung my X-server while debugging a Motif app....
[11:05] <_axel> wow, motif
[11:05] <_axel> thats so 1991
[11:05] <MemnocH> can I change my run level to stop gdm loading?
[11:06] <fade6> linux newbee: need to connect ubuntu linux to internet vias isdn modem
[11:06] <fade6> anyone can help?
[11:06] <MemnocH> (does that even make sense)
[11:10] <ctr> hmm
[11:10] <ctr> I have a machine I run ubuntu on as a server
[11:11] <ctr> anyone got a good reason for me *not* to upgrade to hoary
[11:11] <_axel> root has landed!
[11:13] <MemnocH> still searching for a way to kill or stop gdm loading, any idea's?
[11:13] <Seveas> MemnocH, chmod -x the initscript
[11:13] <ctr> mv /etc/init.d/gdm /etc/init.d/gmd.not.here
[11:14] <MemnocH> I cant get into a console, I reboot, it loads gdm str8 up again
[11:14] <Zotnix> gnome-terminal is console.
[11:14] <Zotnix> Or xterm
[11:14] <Seveas> MemnocH, boot into rescue mode
[11:14] <ctr> Zotnix: his X is knackered
[11:14] <Arago> MemnocH, the file must be /etc/inittab
[11:14] <Zotnix> Ah, okay.
[11:14] <MemnocH> how do i boot into rescue?
[11:14] <Arago> but as i see it dosn't work as i expect.
[11:14] <nachtwind> hi
[11:15] <ctr> can't you get to lilo or grub or whatever is used and do
[11:15] <ctr> linux init=/bin/sh ?
[11:15] <Seveas> MemnocH, select the appropriate entry from the grub menu when booting
[11:15] <MemnocH> it auto loads
[11:15] <MemnocH> no grub
[11:15] <nachtwind> may i interrupt you and ask a small question? Can i use an ubuntu system as Samba PDC?
[11:16] <Seveas> PDC...? What's that..?
[11:16] <MemnocH> primary domain controller
[11:16] <nachtwind> a primary domain controller - a samba service
[11:16] <MemnocH> should be fine for NT4
[11:16] <MemnocH> type of domain
[11:16] <nachtwind> 2000 also?
[11:16] <fade6> linux newbee: need to connect ubuntu linux to internet vias isdn modem
[11:16] <MemnocH> check up on samba
[11:16] <fade6> anyone can help?
[11:16] <nachtwind> need to set somthing up that is capable of handling 20 to 40 computers
[11:16] <MemnocH> thats what will be running it,
[11:17] <MemnocH> last time I looked at it, it could not handle 2000 type properly
[11:17] <nachtwind> i will check (or already checked it partly) but is ubuntu able of quota usergroups and so on? I suppose it is?
[11:17] <nachtwind> (first time running ubunto and already loving it more than other distros)
[11:18] <MemnocH> nachtwind: check out the samba pages
[11:18] <MemnocH> http://us1.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/toc.html
[11:18] <MemnocH> specifiaclly http://us1.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/ch04.html
[11:19] <nachtwind> thank you
[11:20] <MemnocH> np
[11:20] <nachtwind> and one other question, i miss my HDb - isnt it mounted by default?
[11:20] <Seveas> nachtwind, just edit your fstab :)
[11:20] <nachtwind> uhhh
[11:21] <nachtwind> <- linuxnewbie
[11:21] <Seveas> ah :)
[11:21] <nachtwind> just playing arround with it
[11:21] <nachtwind> well
[11:21] <nachtwind> learning it for the job and for university
[11:21] <fade6> can u help me nachtwind?
[11:21] <MemnocH> ok finally got into rescue mode, didnt realise it was using grub, loaded to quick for me to see
[11:21] <nachtwind> fade6 : nope
[11:22] <fade6> :(
[11:22] <Seveas> MemnocH, you can change the timeout by editing /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:22] <nachtwind> oh i see - no KDE at all in the APT list?
[11:22] <nachtwind> interestering =)
[11:22] <Seveas> nachtwind, Kubuntu is under development
[11:23] <nachtwind> i read that
[11:23] <nachtwind> but thought i could find KDE within the APT though
[11:23] <Seveas> you can
[11:23] <Seveas> if you run hoary
[11:23] <Seveas> hmm, for warty too by the way
[11:23] <MemnocH> Seveas, thx
[11:23] <Seveas> apt-cache search kde shows a lot :)
[11:24] <nachtwind> hm, not here
[11:24] <apokryphos> nachtwind: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:24] <Seveas> nachtwind, do you have universe enabled?
[11:24] <nachtwind> universe?
[11:24] <Seveas> apokryphos, that only works with hoary
[11:24] <apokryphos> repository
[11:25] <apokryphos> Seveas: oh; is he on warty?
[11:25] <_axel> would be nice to have some cool ubuntu splash in grub
[11:25] <nachtwind> iam on warty
[11:25] <Seveas> nachtwind, edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:25] <apokryphos> oh.. I think you can apt-get install kde-core, though you'll be running a seriously dated kde
[11:25] <Seveas> uncomment the universe repositories
[11:25] <Seveas> if they'r not in there, i'll send you a PM with the correct lines
[11:26] <nachtwind> they are, but the file is write protected...
[11:27] <nachtwind> can i start the notepad in root modus without changing the user=???
[11:27] <nachtwind> -??
[11:27] <apokryphos> you need to be root
[11:27] <Seveas> nachtwind, see PM :)
[11:27] <apokryphos> or sudo, that is
[11:28] <nachtwind> thank you
[11:28] <nachtwind> youre a great help, nice support chan :)
[11:28] <MemnocH> which modules should I enable in xfree86 to test a bsic config?
[11:29] <MemnocH> I am using nvidia drivers
[11:29] <MemnocH> current setting is all on
[11:30] <membreya> MemnocH, remove DRI
[11:30] <membreya> enable glx
[11:31] <MemnocH> hmm where is the config file found?
[11:31] <membreya> MemnocH, /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:31] <MemnocH> im using xfree
[11:31] <my_haz> hello
[11:31] <apokryphos> MemnocH: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[11:31] <MemnocH> yeh found it,
[11:31] <MemnocH> thx
[11:32] <membreya> apokryphos, are you using hoary or warty?
[11:32] <my_haz> im trying out this hoary live cd its pretty darn cool
[11:32] <apokryphos> membreya: hoary of course. :)
[11:32] <membreya> then it's xorg.conf :)
[11:32] <membreya> it links to the XF86config-4
[11:32] <nachtwind> can i add in the x11/XF86Config new display modes higher than 800x600?
[11:33] <apokryphos> membreya: oh, interesting. Is he using hoary? I normally edit from the xorg.conf here...
[11:33] <MemnocH> with the modules to load I currently have lots of them, remove all but glx?
[11:33] <membreya> leave everything MemnocH except DRI
[11:33] <MemnocH> ok
[11:34] <MemnocH> whats some good fault settings for a 17ich lcd?
[11:34] <ibo> anyone tried YM6 on crossover?
[11:34] <MemnocH> h sync 30-70, Vrefresh 50-160?
[11:35] <membreya> I'm lucky on that one MemnocH, I just remove all that stuff..amd64 system automatically detects it
[11:36] <MemnocH> ive got a a64 too
[11:36] <MemnocH> pci-e gf6600gt , got it specifically to run nix
[11:36] <MemnocH> so far no luck though :(
[11:36] <membreya> then just remove the refresh rates :)
[11:36] <membreya> and it will list the max res
[11:36] <MemnocH> hmm same shit again with gdm
[11:38] <MemnocH> ok i know my bus address is correct lspci gives the correct info correct?
[11:38] <magaltavor> hi all i have a problem running REAL PLAYER
[11:39] <magaltavor> any help
[11:41] <MemnocH> how do determine what nvidia drives I have?
[11:41] <Myrtti> hellou all.
[11:41] <Usiu> Hi
[11:41] <Seveas> hello
[11:41] <Usiu> I am using debian.. and I installed xorg from ubuntu..
[11:42] <Usiu> now nautilus crashes..
[11:42] <Seveas> that's no surprise....
[11:42] <Usiu>   from /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/_gtk.so
[11:42] <Myrtti> why would you install xorg from Ubuntu
[11:42] <Seveas> Usiu, what you did isn't smart...
[11:42] <Usiu> Seveas, do you know what packages are responsible for that ?
[11:42] <Seveas> yes
[11:42] <Seveas> Xorg
[11:42] <Seveas> yous houldn't have installed it
[11:42] <Seveas> you*
[11:42] <Usiu> Seveas, I recompiled nautilus...
[11:43] <Seveas> Usiu, the error is in pygtk
[11:43] <Seveas> so maybe rebuilding that helps
[11:43] <Seveas> but then again, why install Xorg from Ubuntu into a Debian system
[11:43] <ibo> how do i run nautilus from the panel by being on "explorer" mode?
[11:43] <Seveas> that is so not gonna work most of the times
[11:44] <Chipzz> Seveas: nonsense
[11:44] <Seveas> Chipzz, do you care to explain?
[11:44] <Myrtti> no, I'd really like to know why to install xorg from Ubuntu to Debian
[11:44] <Myrtti> I really fail to see the logic
[11:44] <magaltavor> any body can help with realplayer
[11:45] <Usiu> Seveas, I wanted xorg 6.8.2 that fixes but for my card.., now opengl works..
[11:45] <Usiu> bug
[11:45] <Chipzz> Seveas: Xorg shouldn't have change API or ABI wrt Xfree86
[11:45] <Chipzz> rather, you should explain why it would crash
[11:47] <Seveas> I don't know exactly why it doesn;t work, but I've seen people try it numerous times and almost always some things (like nvidia/ati drivers) failed
[11:47] <Chipzz> Seveas: most packages in ubuntu are the same packages as in debian
[11:47] <MemnocH> whoa getting some where now, still have scrambled image on load up, then it loaded the X cursor, then its starting to display a cream white background but my mouse doesnt work
[11:47] <Chipzz> Seveas: it's not like running xorg from gentoo on debian or something
[11:48] <Seveas> MemnocH, have you tried to run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (or xserver-xfree if you're on warty)?
[11:48] <Chipzz> Seveas: so, what do you base your assumption on that it is a bad idea?
[11:48] <MemnocH> yeh I have
[11:48] <MemnocH> not working to well
[11:48] <Seveas> Chipzz, by seeing numerous attempts to do so fail...
[11:48] <Seveas> I'f you've had better luck, well that's good :)
[11:50] <Usiu> Seveas, even rebuild doesnt help..
[11:51] <Usiu> Seveas, I'll stay without nautilus.. cause now opengl at last works..
[11:52] <MemnocH> ok attempt 143 to get gdm working
[11:52] <MemnocH> stupid new hardware
[11:52] <Seveas> :)
[11:53] <MemnocH> where is the download for the testing release you guys are using
[11:53] <MemnocH> I might have to give it a go
[11:53] <xamdm> MemnocH, just replace warty with hoary in jour sources.list ;-)
[11:54] <MemnocH> ok, then apt-get update?
[11:54] <MemnocH> x loads, and runs very slow
[11:54] <xamdm> MemnocH, yes and then dist-upgrade
[11:54] <MemnocH> I move the mouse, it takes 30 seconds to redraw it a few inches one way
[11:54] <MemnocH> its not moving its teleporting on the screen
[11:55] <xamdm> MemnocH, is there any background action ??
[11:55] <MemnocH> background action?
[11:55] <MemnocH> the bg is black
[11:55] <MemnocH> last time it loaded a white one then crashed again
[11:55] <MemnocH> this time with dif mouse config the mouse moved
[11:55] <MemnocH> but black background
[11:55] <MemnocH> could it be my mouse settings
[11:55] <tyler> Hey all, anyone know of any apps I can install that will show me my wireless network status
[11:56] <MemnocH> iwconfig?
[11:56] <xamdm> tyler,  ther is a panel-plugin for gnome
[11:57] <MemnocH> hmm my sources is default warty-security main restricted
[11:57] <MemnocH> just change warty
[11:57] <MemnocH> ?
[11:57] <MemnocH> or uncomment warty universe
[11:58] <xamdm> Memnoch, wait a secon
[11:58] <MemnocH> andchange to hoary
[11:58] <MemnocH> np
[11:58] <MemnocH> ahh my error, non security ones also enabled
[11:58] <xamdm> MemnocH, ill try to send jou mine
[11:59] <MemnocH> ok, pm is fine
[12:00] <xamdm> MemnocH, would jou like it vie EMail, filetransfer themes to fail in irc
[12:00] <membreya> lol MemnocH ...you having fun today mate? :P
[12:00] <xamdm> sorry for my bad english ;-)
[12:00] <MemnocH> ok to pm you/
[12:00] <MemnocH> haha yeh im having fun
[12:01] <MemnocH> im not used to x setup or anything :)
[12:01] <xamdm> MemnocH, do you get t he file ??
[12:01] <MemnocH> nah auto ignor
[12:01] <MemnocH> stupid mirc
[12:01] <MemnocH> let me get settings sorted
[12:01] <MemnocH> sorry
[12:01] <xamdm> MemnocH, email ??
[12:02] <MemnocH> pdeaudney@gmail.com
[12:02] <MemnocH> thx
[12:02] <xamdm> ok, il send jou ..
[12:02] <magaltavor> Real player problem on ubuntu
[12:03] <xamdm> MemnocH, you got mail :-)
[12:03] <MemnocH> thx
[12:04] <Usiu> I still dont understand why nautilus has sth to xorg :(
[12:04] <MemnocH> once its set in sources, I just run apt-get dist-upgrade?
[12:04] <xamdm> MemnocH, apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:04] <MemnocH> ok thx
[12:05] <xamdm> MemnocH, np
[12:05] <MemnocH> your smtp is slow :(
[12:05] <xamdm> MemnocH, ??
[12:05] <MemnocH> still no email
[12:06] <xamdm> MemnocH, ah, copy-paste mistake.., just a secon
[12:06] <ncp> is ubuntu just debian with gnome? ore what other things is better i ubuntu?
[12:07] <ncp> in*
[12:07] <xamdm> MemnocH, did you get it ??
[12:07] <Vjaz> ncp: it's not four years old
[12:07] <MemnocH> yup
[12:07] <MemnocH> thx
[12:08] <xamdm> MemnocH, np
[12:08] <thoreauputic> Vjaz: neither is Debian Sid ;)
[12:08] <Usiu> Ok i upgraded to ubuntu packages now nautilus works fine..
[12:08] <xamdm> MemnocH, if a pakage fails just apt-get remove pakage name and reinstall after upgrade
[12:08] <Usiu> Is there a gnome2.10 in ubuntu ?
[12:08] <MemnocH> ok
[12:08] <xamdm> Usiu, in hoary yes
[12:08] <Vjaz> thoreauputic: well it still hasn't got X.org
[12:09] <thoreauputic> Vjaz: that's true, indeed
[12:09] <Vjaz> thoreauputic: and Debian Sid is unstable.
[12:09] <Usiu> xamdm, how to install it  ?
[12:09] <Vjaz> thoreauputic: it might break the next day if you try to update it
[12:09] <xamdm> Usiu, are you running warty ??
[12:09] <membreya> ello thoreauputic :)
[12:09] <faustus> anyone knwo what ever happened to kde project with ubuntu, I think it was called kbuntu?
[12:09] <membreya> everything is almost running perfectly again, just having problems installing the nvidia drivers
[12:09] <thoreauputic> Vjaz: a bitlike Hoary, really ....
[12:10] <thoreauputic> membreya: hi :)
[12:10] <Myrtti> faustus: kubuntu
[12:10] <Usiu> xamdm, I was running debian sid... and upgarded to some ubuntu packages like xorg..etc...
[12:10] <xamdm> faustus, there is a pakage in hoary called kubuntu
[12:10] <Myrtti> faustus: live and kickin
[12:10] <Seveas> faustus, Kubuntu is still very active
[12:10] <xamdm> Usiu, why don't switch to hoary ??
[12:10] <Vjaz> thoreauputic: except Hoary will be stable next month
[12:10] <MemnocH> hmm why is the upgrade pulling down kernel 2.5.999-test7-bk-17?
[12:10] <Usiu> xamdm, I guess I added those sources..
[12:10] <faustus> in universe ppc? for hoary official?
[12:11] <Usiu> xamdm, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted universe multiverse
[12:11] <xamdm> Usiu, yes should work
[12:11] <raghu>  python2.3: Depends: python (>= 2.3) but 2.1.3-3.2 is to be installed.... broken packages : how to solve this
[12:11] <Usiu> xamdm, preferences :)
[12:11] <xamdm> Usiu, in hoary gnome2.10 is default...
[12:12] <faustus> my brother is looking forward to kde on ubuntu
[12:12] <thoreauputic> Vjaz: "stability" is a relative term in this context: lots of people run Sid without any more trouble than running Ubuntu - but never mind...
[12:12] <xamdm> faustus, just a second
[12:12] <Usiu> xamdm, but my previous.. I had experimental pined up..
[12:12] <xamdm> faustus, http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2005-March/000023.html
[12:12] <faustus> thnks
[12:13] <xamdm> Usiu, my english realy bad what means pined up ??
[12:13] <thoreauputic> Vjaz: I think improved hardware detection and similar things are more important advantages of Ubuntu
[12:13] <Usiu> xamdm, matched as default
[12:14] <Usiu> xamdm, I mean matched as higher piority in preferences
[12:14] <xamdm> Usiu, sorry im not able to follow jou ;-)
[12:15] <faustus> he, my bro, is running a nvidia card.  I read that there are problems in hory with these cards.  Is this just with the buinary drivers?
[12:15] <faustus> 'cause he uses the open source ones anyone on accoutn of using ppc
[12:15] <Usiu> xamdm, is there sth in debian that isnt in ubuntu packages ?
[12:16] <xamdm> Usiu, don't know, but i don't think so
[12:16] <Usiu> xamdm, i understand that ubuntu is prepered for desktop..
[12:16] <xamdm> Usiu, why stay at debina-sid ??
[12:17] <Usiu> xamdm, I see many advantages of ubuntu... new gnome, at last opengl works bug for my card was fixed in xorg >= 6.8.1
[12:17] <xamdm> Usiu, then complete switch to hoary ;-)
[12:17] <Usiu> xamdm, I'm doing it..
[12:17] <ncp> is ubuntu just a new dist. for workstation with the most commen software installede as default?
[12:18] <jsgotangco> hoary is awsome (for me)
[12:18] <xamdm> Usiu, ah ok, i beleve that i misunderstood a few things, sorry
[12:18] <djp> hi all
[12:18] <Usiu> xamdm, I hope it will stay so fresh...
[12:18] <membreya> Usiu: if you get bored with running hoary, run grumpy :)
[12:19] <xamdm> membreya, what the hell is grumpy ??
[12:19] <Usiu> membreya, what's grumpy ?
[12:19] <membreya> grumpy is the next version
[12:19] <Myrtti> the next development version
[12:19] <Myrtti> after hoary
[12:19] <Seveas> grumpy used to be the codename for the next version
[12:19] <Seveas> it's now called Bendy Badger
[12:19] <xamdm> membreya, oh, note jet maybe in 5 month ;-)
[12:19] <Myrtti> Bendy? I liked Grumpy better
[12:19] <Seveas> Grumpy will be the codename for another project
[12:20] <membreya> :|
[12:20] <membreya> bendy? makes it sound gay
[12:20] <djp> ok here's the rub! i have modprobed my soundcard and adjusted my alsamixer settings and... it works! however everytime i restart ubuntu it stops working again, the boot up process telling me that sound card has not been found. i then have to manually modprobe again and get it working! i have used the modules-update command but still the same thing happens on a reboot. can anyone help?
[12:20] <MemnocH> hmm reading nvidias page, x86_64 drivers and gf6600gt = broken badly
[12:20] <MemnocH> great
[12:20] <raghu> !woody->sarge
[12:20] <Usiu> Seveas, how often do You fix things in hoary ?
[12:20] <membreya> djp add it to your /etc/modules
[12:20] <Seveas> djp: add the module to /etc/modules
[12:20] <membreya> beat ya Seveas :P
[12:20] <Usiu> Seveas, I got daily updates when using debian unstable
[12:20] <Seveas> Usiu, I run Warty :)
[12:20] <xamdm> Usiu, i think so, in 6 month there will be the next release, a big atvantige to debian...
[12:21] <Usiu> Seveas, whats warty ?
[12:21] <tyler> How can I watch mpegs and the like in Hoary? it seems apt-get w32codecs doesn't help
[12:21] <thoreauputic> I thought from what bob2 said that grumpy was to be the "constantly in development" branch, rether like Sid in Debian ?
[12:21] <Seveas> the october 2004 version
[12:21] <Seveas> the STABLE one :)
[12:21] <Seveas> hoary will be stable in april
[12:21] <Seveas> then i'll switch
[12:21] <Usiu> Seveas, I understand...
[12:22] <Seveas> Usiu, in contrast to debian, stable versions of ubuntu aren't hopelessly outdated
[12:22] <Seveas> :)
[12:22] <xamdm> Seveas, :-)
[12:22] <tyler> it seems okay at the moment.
[12:23] <jdub> thoreauputic: it's going to be way crazier than sid.
[12:23] <Seveas> tyler, install either tomtem-xine or mplayer
[12:23] <Seveas> that's the easiest solution :)
[12:23] <Usiu> Seveas, Ok ok.. I am convinced
[12:23] <jeegiz> tyler, or gxine
[12:23] <spiritz> Hey
[12:23] <thoreauputic> jdub: heh - sounds like fun :)
[12:23] <jsgotangco> heh
[12:23] <jsgotangco> my hoary experience is awesome
[12:23] <jsgotangco> even OOo2 is working right
[12:23] <Seveas> nice jsgotangco!
[12:23] <jsgotangco> nothing was broken at all
[12:24] <Seveas> are there dialup users in here?
[12:24] <spiritz> I just did a dist-upgrade with hoary, now most of gtk apps return Segmentation fault on launch. Is someone else having this issue?
[12:24] <xamdm> tyler, get the w32 codecs from the mplayer page, and switch to totem-xine ..
[12:24] <djp> membreya: how? what do i have to enter to do this?
[12:24] <Seveas> If so -> fade6 needs help, please help him :)
[12:24] <Usiu> Seveas, Do you use in ubuntu debian packaging mechanism ?
[12:24] <thoreauputic> Seveas: yes, I'm a dialup captive
[12:24] <Usiu> Seveas, How to became a package maintainer ?
[12:24] <Seveas> thoreauputic, PM fade6 please :)
[12:24] <thoreauputic> Seveas: OK
[12:24] <membreya> djp, in a terminal type sudo nano /etc/modules
[12:24] <Seveas> Seveas, I use APT yes, but i'm not a maintainer
[12:25] <Seveas> ehm I meant Usiu
[12:25] <ncp> is ubuntu just a new debian dist. for workstation with the most commen software installede as default? ore is there something new that makes it a littel better? :)
[12:25] <jsgotangco> lol
[12:25] <djp> membreya: ok thanks. what does the nano bit do?
[12:25] <Seveas> ncp, ubuntu is better :)
[12:25] <membreya> nano is a text editory
[12:25] <Usiu> Seveas, Do you have gg2 in ubuntu ? I am maintaining unofficial debian packages for it... those were going to be uploaded when 2.2.5 will be release..
[12:25] <jsgotangco> ncp: it is debian but its no fork
[12:25] <membreya> editor even :|
[12:25] <xamdm> ncp, its more easy
[12:25] <MemnocH> nano is easy to use
[12:25] <xamdm> ncp, ther are mor actual pakages...
[12:25] <Seveas> ncp, see the Ubuntu homepage and look for Ubuntu vs Debian in the menu
[12:25] <membreya> thats why I suggest it MemnocH
[12:25] <membreya> :)
[12:26] <ncp> okay thanks
[12:26] <Seveas> Usiu, sorry, i don't even know what gg2 is
[12:26] <djp> membreya: ok thanks i have done that using gedit but don't know where i add the modules and whether they should be commented or uncommented?
[12:26] <Usiu> Seveas, gnugadu.sf.net
[12:26] <membreya> djp, just list the modules name
[12:27] <Seveas> djp, if the modules name is foo_module, just type in a shell: echo "foo_module" | sudo tee -a /etc/modules
[12:27] <jsgotangco> Usiu, https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DevelopersDocumentation
[12:27] <Usiu> jsgotangco, thx
[12:27] <jsgotangco> maintaining for Ubuntu is also there
[12:27] <Seveas> Usiu, if you want your packages to go into ubuntu, contact the MOTU (masters of the universe) in #ubuntu-motu
[12:27] <membreya> Seveas: if you're in a terminal doing that, wouldn't sudo echo "foo_module" >> /etc/modules be easier?
[12:28] <Seveas> no membreya
[12:28] <jsgotangco> MOTU as well
[12:28] <Seveas> the >> redirect is run as the user himself
[12:28] <Seveas> so that won't work
[12:28] <membreya> sudo -s ? :)
[12:28] <Seveas> sudo "echo foo_module >> /etc/modules" might work
[12:29] <Seveas> yeah sudo -s is good :)
[12:29] <djp> Seveas: ok will give it a go...
[12:29] <fade6> guys is setting up a connection for isdn different from dial up?
[12:29] <membreya> why do people insist on using ISDN :|
[12:29] <Usiu> Seveas, thx
[12:30] <MemnocH> Seveas, thanks for your help
[12:30] <Solatis> woohoo! the updated nvidia-glx driver in hoary, will this mean that now my xorg does /not/ crash when i enable 'nvidia' instead of 'nv' as my video driver ? :)
[12:30] <MemnocH> got a gf6600gt card?
[12:31] <deFrysk> Solatis, try it and let me know
[12:31] <Solatis> ehhhrr, i've got an onboard gforce2 :)
[12:31] <MemnocH> if so your shit out of luck as there is a problem in the nvidia drivers
[12:31] <MemnocH> well you should be all good then
[12:31] <Solatis> well, how can i find out wether i have a gf6600gt card ?
[12:31] <Solatis> ah ok
[12:31] <Solatis> well
[12:31] <Solatis> i'm gonna reboot and try out
[12:32] <spiritz> is there one of you that did a dist-upgrade today?
[12:32] <Gecko> Hello. I am installing Ubuntu Linux now, but I have a question. I have accidentally downloaded an i386 image, where I could use an amd64 mirror instead. Will it be a problem to change this after install?
[12:32] <membreya> MemnocH: language buddy :)
[12:33] <spiritz> Gecko : If I were you I would stop your current install and download the right image
[12:33] <Gecko> spiritz: Damn, I wont wait another two hours or more to download it...
[12:34] <Gecko> spiritz: Don't you think, that if I removed the repositories of 386 and inserted the amd64 repos, and then used a dist-upgrade that it would do the trick?
[12:34] <Solatis> deFrysk: the drivers still crash my xorg :'(
[12:34] <spiritz> not sure that dist-upgrade will get the amd64 instead of i386 as an 'new version'
[12:34] <Solatis> at least, only blank screen when loading
[12:34] <deFrysk> Solatis, thnks for the info
[12:34] <Solatis> sheesh, ok, i'm all pissed now since my system is running all crappy for a week now
[12:35] <deFrysk> no need for meto try then
[12:35] <Solatis> how can i get my old nvidia drivers back that are in warty ? :)
[12:35] <membreya> Solatis: what does your /var/log/Xorg.0.log say?
[12:35] <Solatis> membreya: holdon rebooting
[12:35] <Gecko> spiritz: hmm, it would require me to upgrade to the 'testing' equivalent, and hope that every package has a new version in there...
[12:36] <Seveas> anybody here in for a little test?
[12:36] <MemnocH> membreya: dont mind me, just bitter and twisted over x86_64 not working....
[12:36] <membreya> what for Seveas ?
[12:36] <deFrysk> nero linux sucks big time
[12:36] <deFrysk> getting it is w waste of time
[12:36] <Seveas> membreya, I have created a python script that allows you to post to a pastebin from the commandline
[12:36] <spiritz> Gecko : I'm not sure everypackage has been updated for the last months, especially since you're using hoary which is almost up to date
[12:36] <Seveas> and it needs to be tested :)
[12:36] <Solatis> membreya: the last thing it says is 'loading module: glx'
[12:37] <Solatis> no error
[12:37] <membreya> MemnocH: don't worry.. I lost a month of configuring last night :) ....strangely enough, reinstalled everything today..and except for the nvidia drivers everything is back up :)
[12:37] <Solatis> no nothing
[12:37] <Gecko> spiritz: I am not. The image is a warty
[12:37] <membreya> hrm :|
[12:37] <deFrysk> Solatis, its the nvidia driver itself
[12:37] <membreya> checked on the nvnews forums?
[12:37] <Solatis> well i know there is a patch for this driver available
[12:37] <Solatis> but no, i haven't checked any forums
[12:38] <Solatis> but the thing is, i don't want this driver fixed especially, i just want my xorg to work
[12:38] <Solatis> since i have the feeling it can take a real while to get this fixed
[12:38] <Solatis> and i've already spent an entire evening trying to get it work without any luck
[12:38] <xamdm> howto install realplayer 10 in hoary ??
[12:38] <membreya> Solatis: so just change xorg back to nv :P
[12:38] <Solatis> yeah
[12:38] <Solatis> and then my system is all crappy
[12:38] <membreya> xamdm: what arch ?
[12:39] <xamdm> membreya, i686
[12:39] <membreya> herm :|
[12:39] <xamdm> membreya, just using alien and the rpm will work ??
[12:39] <Solatis> those redraws of the screen are REAL bad with the standard 'nv' driver, and scrolling in gnome-terminal gives 100% cpu load
[12:39] <Solatis> (to illustrate the bad-ness :P)
[12:40] <djp> Seveas: thank you SOOOOOO much! 3 days spent getting an old 200mhz 64mb pc with ess soundcard to work using ubuntu and now it is all working!!! fluxbox and sound. I was on the right lines, just a few thousand miles in the wrong direction!!! thanks once again to you and membreya
[12:40] <membreya> :)
[12:40] <Seveas> yw djp, happy linuxing :)
[12:40] <Solatis> but ehrm, anyone knows how i can downgrade my nvidia drivers to match the version in warty rather than hoary ?
[12:40] <membreya> 3 days to ask djp ? :) you're pigheaded
[12:40] <cavediver> Hi, Im looking for a disk-encryption program, is there one included with ubunto? Can't figure dm-crypt ocut
[12:40] <djp> membreya: no been on here a few times but no one was able to help...
[12:40] <Luiso> hi
[12:40] <membreya> don't see why, it's a simple question :)
[12:40] <djp> membreya: guise it is the luck of who is online at the time
[12:41] <djp> membreya: guess even!
[12:41] <Seveas> indeed djp
[12:41] <Seveas> when i'm here you have more chance of being helped :p
[12:41] <Luiso> can i add ububtu sources to my debian's sources.list?
[12:41] <membreya> haha Seveas :P
[12:42] <Seveas> Luiso, of course you can, just edit the file. The question is whether it is a good idea. For most packages it means no harm, but some packages shouldn't be mixed
[12:42] <Luiso> E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_main_binary-i386_Packages
[12:42] <HiddenWolf> How do I make sure evolution checks for new messages at startup?
[12:42] <Seveas> so if you do: please be careful which packages you install from where, and preferably use APT pinning
[12:43] <Seveas> HiddenWolf, by clicking the "send/receive" button :)
[12:43] <Luiso> Seveas, i'm carefoul but de apt-get update always fail: E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_main_binary-i386_Packages
[12:43] <Seveas> afaik, Evo has no such option to check automagically at startup
[12:43] <HiddenWolf> Seveas: you're kidding me?
[12:43] <Seveas> Luiso, sorry, can't help you with that, I never did that myself before
[12:44] <Seveas> HiddenWolf, no i'm not
[12:44] <Luiso> thanks Seveas
[12:44] <Seveas> Luiso, you might try deleting your cache and try again
[12:44] <Seveas> but I do not guarantee any success
[12:45] <membreya> Seveas: that's why you use thunderbird :P
[12:45] <Seveas> I use Evo
[12:45] <Seveas> I actually even like it :)
[12:45] <membreya> weirdo
[12:45] <membreya> galeon + thunderbird
[12:45] <HiddenWolf> seveas: how about the spam filter? ;)
[12:46] <Seveas> HiddenWolf, yeah, that's what I don't like: I can't get it working and I'm too lazy to figure out why :)
[12:46] <Seveas> but if you find out, let me know :D
[12:47] <membreya> Seveas: don't give out your email address? :P
[12:47] <mameluke> short question... i've heard there will be a new ubuntu-version... will it be reachable with apt-get dist-upgrade?
[12:47] <Seveas> my irc ident is my e-mail address
[12:47] <Seveas> mameluke, yes
[12:48] <mameluke> thx... but not yet >_<
[12:48] <Seveas> you will have to change your sources.list and then you can use the new version
[12:48] <mameluke> Seveas, just uncomment the mirrors right?
[12:48] <Seveas> you can even do that now, but the next verion is still under heavy development so there will be serious bugs
[12:48] <Seveas> mameluke, no
[12:48] <Seveas> just change warty to hoary
[12:48] <mameluke> ic
[12:48] <mameluke> thx
[12:49] <Seveas> but please beware
[12:49] <Seveas> it is still unstable
[12:49] <mameluke> i'll wait
[12:49] <mameluke> just wondering ;)
[12:49] <Seveas> :)
[12:49] <spiritz> is there one of you that did a dist-upgrade today?
[12:49] <mameluke> if want to have the newest software ubuntu would be the wrong distro
[12:49] <HiddenWolf> spiritz: aye
[12:50] <Seveas> mameluke, no
[12:50] <spiritz> HiddenWolf : did you dist-upgrade hoary? are you experencing problems?
[12:50] <Seveas> if you want the latest stable versions, ubuntu is the right distro
[12:50] <Amaranth> Seveas: Ha!
[12:50] <Seveas> if you want bleeding-edge 0day software which will contain lots of bugs: use gentoo
[12:50] <HiddenWolf> spiritz: I did, and not at all
[12:51] <spiritz> HiddenWolf :ok,thanks
[12:51] <Seveas> Amaranth, Ha! to you too :)
[12:51] <Amaranth> Seveas: If you've used hoary in the past couple months you've been using the latest GNOME 2.9.x (unstable), GTK 2.5.x (unstable), pygtk 2.5.x (unstable), and much more.
[12:51] <Seveas> Amaranth, I meant Ubuntu stable...
[12:51] <Amaranth> oh, ok
[12:51] <Luiso> Seveas, The problem is solved, i deleted this line from apt-conf: APT::Cache-Limit 10240000;
[12:52] <Seveas> of course Ubuntu unstable will be unstable.... that's why it is unstable :)
[12:52] <Luiso> i'm happy
[12:52] <Seveas> :)
[12:52] <Seveas> thanks for letting me no Luiso, this will go in my knowledge base ;)
[12:52] <archangel_> hey guys can anyone tell me the command to change my resolution, themes and such?
[12:52] <Amaranth> gcc 4 sounds really exciting
[12:52] <Amaranth> at least the java parts
[12:53] <Seveas> archangel_, use the 'computer' menu and find system configuration
[12:53] <Amaranth> archangel_: In hoary that's in System->Preferences
[12:53] <Seveas> archangel_, there you can finf the various options
[12:53] <archangel_> what about in nautilus
[12:53] <Amaranth> archangel_: You don't do it from nautilus, it's in the top menus.
[12:54] <Amaranth> archangel_: Computer->System Configuration in warty, System->Preferences in hoary
[12:54] <Gecko> spiritz: I have browsed the ubuntu forum alittle, and it seems that adm64 is not all that good-running, but installing an amd64 kernel would give me a little speed increase, right?
[12:54] <Seveas> you mean the file manager? you can change the options for nautilus via it's menu edit->preferences
[12:54] <xiaoyu> what package do ineed so that my camera will be recognized by hoary ?
[12:55] <archangel_> got it thanks guys
[12:55] <Amaranth> If gnome-control-center is in warty you can run that too.
[12:56] <Amaranth> You'll have to start it from a terminal but it's more like a windows control panel
[12:56] <Seveas> xiaoyu, depends on the cam
[12:56] <spiritz> Gecko : yep, it should run fast
[12:57] <Seveas> cya all
[12:59] <Adrenal> Usually, when clicking a folder in the bookmarks drop down menu, its contents load in tabs.
[12:59] <Adrenal> Lately however, that hasn't been working. Nor has middle clicking bookmarks in the menu. It just sits there, pretending not to notice, but it knows damn well whats going on.
[12:59] <Adrenal> ...Any ideas? The only tab related extension i have installed is tab mix, and this happened after editing my chrome.css and user.js files, but after removing these, nothing reverted.
[12:59] <Adrenal> I'm using Ubuntu, my specs are 512 mb ram, 2.5 ghz etc (decent comp). Since I am using Ubuntu, uninstalling firefox will hurt my UbuntuDesktop set up, and thus force me to redownload *a lot* of stuff.
[12:59] <Adrenal> Thankyou in advance
[12:59] <Adrenal> ha, i precompile my help messages
[01:00] <Amaranth> Adrenal: Uninstalling mozilla-firefox removes the ubuntu-desktop meta package. That doesn't mean your desktop goes away.
[01:00] <Adrenal> i know, but it means a lot of packages do
[01:01] <Adrenal> its something i would rather not deal with, espiecally since i doubt it would solve anything
[01:01] <Amaranth> It sounds like your profile is screwed.
[01:01] <thoreauputic> isn't this a question for the a firefox channel or forum?
[01:02] <Amaranth> Make a backup of your bookmarks and delete the .mozilla dir in your home.
[01:02] <Adrenal> asked in there, but its obvious they are no were my question
[01:02] <Adrenal> Amaranth, what will happen after that?
[01:02] <Amaranth> You'll lose all your extensions and themes and other settings.
[01:02] <Amaranth> But it'll start you off from scratch just like when you first ran firefox.
[01:03] <Adrenal> after i reboot firefox, it will work snuggity boo right?
[01:03] <Amaranth> Hopefully.
[01:03] <Adrenal> sounds like a plan
[01:03] <Amaranth> Back up your bookmarks first.
[01:03] <Adrenal> kk
[01:05] <Solatis> anyone know how i can force apt and/or synaptic to install (and keep) an old version of a package (in my case, the nvidia drivers) ?
[01:05] <Solatis> (i'm sorry, i'm not that familliar with apt)
[01:07] <Adrenal> w00t, it works
[01:07] <Adrenal> thanks
[01:07] <mameluke> omg... iv' translatet HOARY in German... why this name????
[01:07] <mameluke> hoary marmot?
[01:07] <Adrenal> you guys rock, in my absence, keep it real
[01:08] <Amaranth> mameluke: What does it mean?
[01:09] <Amaranth> Solatis: No clue.
[01:09] <len> anyone have advise where i should put my Music Folder PArtition?  I have one partition on my home folder, but i want to make another partition attached to another folder
[01:09] <len> i was thinking /opt/
[01:09] <Amaranth> len: nah
[01:09] <jsgotangco> just put it in home
[01:10] <magaltavor> can i have some help about
[01:10] <mameluke> Amaranth, in german something like grey
[01:10] <magaltavor> realplayer
[01:10] <thoreauputic> len: umm... don't use /opt for that
[01:10] <Amaranth> len: Put it in /mnt/music
[01:10] <len> ahh k
[01:10] <jsgotangco> or that
[01:10] <len> that sounds bettwe
[01:10] <len> i will put it in mnt
[01:10] <len> thanks
[01:13] <mameluke> nobody knows why the new releas is called hoary?
[01:15] <spiritz> exit
[01:15] <mjr> does there have to be a reason?
[01:15] <spiritz> sorry :D
[01:15] <thoreauputic> mameluke: the names are just nonsense jokes for fun
[01:15] <Myrtti> mameluke: why is the debian stable called woody?
[01:15] <Myrtti> indeed
[01:16] <jbailey> Myrtti: The Debian names are based off of toystory characters. =)
[01:16] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: woody and sarge and sid are all Toy Story characters, so there's a kind of silly logic in them :)
[01:16] <mameluke> Myrtti, thoreauputic. Warthog remebered to Lionking and Afrika
[01:17] <Myrtti> ffs, thank you, I knew it
[01:17] <Myrtti> I'll go and sleep
[01:17] <membreya> mjr: why? :|
[01:17] <jsgotangco> go for it
[01:17] <mameluke> ahhhh
[01:17] <jsgotangco> GO GO GO
[01:17] <jsgotangco> hehhe
[01:17] <mjr> you guys aren't helping ;)
[01:18] <mameluke> Hoary Hedgehog... now i have the link
[01:18] <mameluke> it's also an animal :P
[01:18] <mjr> "'cause this box is nice and stable so far" ;)
[01:18] <membreya> mjr: how boring.
[01:18] <jsgotangco> well if you want a testimony, my Warty to Hoary upgrade works so far
[01:18] <mameluke> my scoutname is Hedgehog... *proud*
[01:18] <mameluke> :P
[01:18] <mjr> *hmm*
[01:19] <jsgotangco> my laptop is in hoary now
[01:19] <jsgotangco> if you dont mind the daily updates
[01:19] <mjr> ah well, I'm on vacation, I can blow some time into tweaking an RC distribution ;)
[01:19] <jsgotangco> just upgraded to OOo 2 as well today
[01:19] <membreya> jsgotangco: I'm waiting till it's in the repo's :P
[01:20] <jsgotangco> its in hoary
[01:20] <membreya> I'm running hoary :\
[01:20] <membreya> hmmm guess I'm a ditz
[01:20] <jsgotangco> check synaptic it has 2 OOo entries
[01:21] <membreya> well how about .. "I will wait until I type apt-get upgrade" and it upgrades the version :P
[01:21] <mjr> mmh, 868 to be upgraded and 130 to be installed
[01:21] <mjr> this oughta be fun
[01:21] <jsgotangco> hehehe
[01:21] <membreya> hope you got lotsa bandwidth mjr
[01:21] <jsgotangco> thats one way of saying it
[01:21] <mjr> full-rate ADSL1
[01:21] <membreya> still slow mjr :P
[01:22] <membreya> max 8mbits?
[01:22] <mjr> indeed
[01:22] <mjr> though M, mind you :)
[01:22] <mjr> estimate 12 minutes till completion, I can live with that
[01:22] <membreya> though being in aus, I rarely get above 250 kB/s off of overseas servers
[01:23] <membreya> my bad on the M mjr  :P
[01:23] <Solatis> well, i must admit, one thing is nice about ubuntu
[01:23] <Solatis> it takes 10 minutes to install a new system
[01:23] <membreya> Solatis: everything?
[01:23] <Solatis> nahh, the reason i'm reinstalling is the %$@$# nvidia driver :P
[01:24] <Solatis> it shouldn't have been there in the first place :)
[01:24] <Solatis> anyway, let's go back to warty
[01:24] <jsgotangco> no!
[01:24] <jsgotangco> hehe
[01:25] <xiximkopp> hello
[01:25] <membreya> if I use synaptic to upgrade to OO.o2 will it replace my OO.o 1 jsgotangco ?
[01:25] <Solatis> mwoah, warty at least worked... i shouldn't have upgraded to hoary anyway, it was stupid :P
[01:25] <xiximkopp> is it possible to change the mixer device controlled by multimedia keyboards in gnome?
[01:26] <jsgotangco> membreya: no i think you can run both at the same time, but I uninstalled 1.x first
[01:26] <membreya> jsgotangco: then that brings my next question, will it install menu items? :P
[01:26] <jsgotangco> membreya: yes new icons as well as OO-base
[01:27] <membreya> I mean will they appear automagically in Applications > Office? :)
[01:27] <jsgotangco> Yes
[01:27] <membreya> sweet :)
[01:27] <Gecko> I just installed Ubuntu. It is so incredibly slow! Gnome takes five minutes to start up, and every app takes about 30 seconds or more too...
[01:27] <membreya> oh....that reminds me, gotta reinstall JRE
[01:27] <jsgotangco> install 686 kernel
[01:27] <MemnocH> any one know a url for a list of mirrors for apt?
[01:28] <membreya> Gecko: don't run it on a 486 then
[01:28] <thoreauputic> Gecko: that's not normal. obviously...
[01:28] <membreya> MemnocH: gimme your email, I will send you an apt-list with the aussie servers
[01:28] <membreya> or...
[01:28] <membreya> hang on
[01:28] <Gecko> membreya: it's a 2.1 ghz amd 64 laptop
[01:28] <membreya> my amd64 3200 loads in about 40 seconds
[01:28] <membreya> from go to woah
[01:28] <Gecko> Not to mention my usb mouse sets out all the time
[01:29] <MemnocH>  * Added a workaround for an X server bug with PCI-E GeForce 6800
[01:29] <MemnocH> and GeForce 6600; a fix has been provided to XFree86 and XOrg.
[01:29] <MemnocH> omg!!! new patch today!
[01:29] <jsgotangco> hehe
[01:29] <MemnocH> maybe it wasnt me!
[01:29] <LordGrunt> hi
[01:29] <membreya> MemnocH: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Archive/view?searchterm=mirrors
[01:30] <xiximkopp> anybody has a clue how it can bwe changed?
[01:30] <Gecko> membreya: perhaps I should just upgrade it all to the next branch?
[01:30] <LordGrunt> why there is so much of python all around in this distro? can i safely remove it?
[01:30] <MemnocH> thx membreya, now my cable might go over 50kb a sec
[01:30] <membreya> MemnocH: I get around 500 kB/s from the aussie server
[01:30] <membreya> using optus cable
[01:30] <LordGrunt> yo, apo ;)
[01:31] <thoreauputic> LordGrunt: python is a favourite with the developers - I suspect things will break if you remove it
[01:31] <MemnocH> membreya, which one? im on bigpond
[01:31] <membreya> the only aussie one? :)
[01:31] <LordGrunt> arghh. thats bad cause its useless to me, and im running short on disk space
[01:31] <mjr> immediately this hoary upgrade seems like a better idea
[01:32] <jsgotangco> hmmm update-manager is updated again in hoary hehe
[01:32] <len> ok, i need to make a partition.  I have a 60GB HD. When i installed UBUNTU, I made a 20gb partition on /home/.  Now that 20GB is used up and i still have 30GB on the main Partition.  I want to take 15GB of that main one and make a new partition on /mnt/.  Can i do this without reinstalling Ubuntu on the main partition?
[01:32] <membreya> oh wait
[01:32] <membreya> lol
[01:32] <membreya> the isp.net.au one
[01:32] <LordGrunt> another q: what about removing gnome completely (exept synaptic maybe)
[01:32] <MemnocH> there are a few ones listed there for australia
[01:32] <MemnocH> ok cool
[01:37] <MemnocH> any commands to run after a dis-upgrade?
[01:37] <MemnocH> dist-
[01:38] <jsgotangco> errr
[01:38] <jsgotangco> autoclean?
[01:38] <jsgotangco> hehe
[01:38] <KreigerCSS> Autoclean does what?
[01:39] <thoreauputic> KreigerCSS: apt-get autoclean clears the cache of un-needed packages
[01:39] <thoreauputic> clean wipes the lot
[01:40] <LordGrunt> heh, i will need it :)
[01:40] <MemnocH> thx
[01:40] <membreya> jsgotangco: it's not letting me remove OO.o 1..or install OO.o 2
[01:40] <LordGrunt> what about removing gnome completely (exept synaptic maybe)? possible or not?
[01:41] <thoreauputic> apt has Super Cow Powers!
[01:41] <membreya> thoreauputic: been watching too much cow and chicken ? :P
[01:41] <jsgotangco> membreya: eh? i can't say why..i just used synaptic to remove OO.o 1 and install OOo 2 at the same time
[01:41] <Rattboi> huh
[01:41] <membreya> did you let it remove everything it wanted to
[01:41] <Rattboi> I have OO.o 1 and 2 installed
[01:42] <membreya> I can't see it affecting it though, the only thing out of the ordinary it wants to remove is desktop
[01:42] <membreya> and that's just a meta-package
[01:42] <jsgotangco> hmm
[01:42] <jsgotangco> let me check the log
[01:42] <membreya> there's a log?! :|
[01:42] <membreya> hah
[01:42] <membreya> learn somethin new everyday :)
[01:42] <MemnocH> log files, who uses them?
[01:43] <MemnocH> I used to wonder why my svr crashed wheb /var/log filled up.....
[01:43] <jsgotangco> in synaptic, its File->History
[01:43] <membreya> bored nerds use them MemnocH :P
[01:43] <membreya> something doesn't work ..remove it :P
[01:43] <MemnocH> or reinstall
[01:43] <MemnocH> like I did because su didnt work.......
[01:43] <MemnocH> then I found out it shouldnt
[01:43] <membreya> su didn't work? :| that would make life hard :)
[01:44] <jsgotangco> heh i hope it didnt flood
[01:45] <membreya> naw :)
[01:45] <membreya> flood prot isn't on :)
[01:49] <nanomad> wich is the last ubuntu kernel?
[01:50] <membreya> jsgotangco: ..quick question, what arch are you running?
[01:50] <thoreauputic> nanomad: 2.6.11 in hoary I think
[01:51] <MemnocH> how do i update the kernel?
[01:51] <membreya> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[01:51] <membreya>   openoffice.org2-common: Depends: openoffice.org2-core (> 1.9.76) but it is not installable
[01:51] <Gecko> I have a strange issue on my laptop. Running a fresh install of warty. After like ten minutes running, sometimes more, sometimes less, first my usb mouse doesn't work anymore, then quickly following is my network, and then everything locks up.
[01:52] <SiRrUs> aptitude install linux-image-2.6.10-4-686 for example
[01:52] <membreya> and openoffice.org2-core says it's not available
[01:52] <membreya> help me SiRrUs ..you're my only hope < voice of princess leah
[01:52] <SiRrUs> :)
[01:53] <MemnocH> SiRrUs, that work from the console?
[01:53] <SiRrUs> yes
[01:53] <membreya> SiRrUs: why not just use apt-get install ?
[01:54] <SiRrUs> membreya good question does apt-get work as well ?
[01:54] <membreya> should do :| all my kernel updates are via synaptic
[01:55] <MemnocH> wouldnt a desktop be nice....
[01:55] <SiRrUs> a desktop you dont have one MemnocH?
[01:56] <MemnocH> nope, not a gnome one, geforce 6600gt pci-e known issues with nvidia = broken with dirvers older than the 11th of march
[01:57] <MemnocH> attempting to fix now
[01:57] <MemnocH> being a newish linux user and all makes it hard
[01:57] <membreya> not hard MemnocH ..fun :)
[01:57] <tanek> does anyone know why firefox displays ads from sites on other tabs on top of the one im browsing, can hardy read, cause of ads all over the text :(
[01:57] <SiRrUs> MemnocH strange mine is geforce 5200 and no problems here
[01:57] <deFrysk>  tanek poor webpage
[01:57] <MemnocH> membreya, yes fun thats what we call it :)
[01:58] <membreya> SiRrUs: geforce 5200 does not = geforce 6600 :)
[01:58] <membreya> it's a card/driver problem
[01:58] <MemnocH> SiRrUs, gf 6800 and 6600 pci-e only
[01:58] <tanek> deFrysk: then, all pages in the world are porr, cause there are no exeptions
[01:58] <SiRrUs> oh ok i was reading the topic
[01:58] <membreya> pci-e...didn't you get taken for a ride MemnocH :P
[01:58] <MemnocH> lol yes
[01:58] <deFrysk> tanek, example page ?
[01:58] <MemnocH> should have stuck with my old pc, ati radeon 9800pro p4 3gig
[01:58] <tanek> www.justlinux.com
[01:58] <MemnocH> i sure did get done over
[01:59] <tanek> www.linuxquestions.org
[01:59] <membreya> what you running now ?
[01:59] <tanek> www.google.com
[01:59] <MemnocH> a64 3200
[01:59] <membreya> same :D
[01:59] <deFrysk> tanek, fine here
[01:59] <Rattboi> tanek: google?
[01:59] <Rattboi> all are fine here too
[01:59] <deFrysk> got flash instaled ?
[01:59] <membreya> google.com giving pop up ads?
[01:59] <MemnocH> ok no need to take a sports bag full of weapons to work tomorrow its working!
[01:59] <tanek> yes, flash is installed
[02:00] <MemnocH> and its fast too
[02:00] <deFrysk> tanek, macromedia.com works fine ?
[02:00] <Castoro> Hi all
[02:00] <SiRrUs> MemnocH which kernel you using
[02:00] <membreya> beauty of running a 64bit operating system on a 64bit computer :P
[02:00] <Castoro> Is there a complete guide for setting framebuffer on Ubuntu ?
[02:00] <tanek> yes, its not the pages that are screwed up, its the app
[02:00] <MemnocH> ill tell you in a sec once i work out how to open a terminal
[02:00] <MemnocH> .10 i believe though
[02:00] <membreya> lol :P
[02:00] <deFrysk> tanek, do you have firefox installed with apt-get ?
[02:00] <MemnocH> 2.6.10
[02:01] <Castoro> (or, at least, in Debian)
[02:01] <tanek> yes
[02:01] <tanek> latest warty version
[02:01] <Seattle_sucks> I remember when I invented linux
[02:01] <deFrysk> tanek, no clue
[02:01] <tanek> :(
[02:01] <MemnocH> 2.6.10-4.amd64-generic
[02:01] <membreya> if I download a package's source code, is there any way to create a .deb file with the compiled app??
[02:02] <membreya> Al_Gore: !! ..wasn't that around the same time you invented the internet?
[02:02] <Al_Gore> It was years before, i developed the source code for Unix
[02:02] <membreya> Seveas: ..just in time to be my oracle :P
[02:02] <deFrysk> tanek apt-get remove -p mozilla-firefox && apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[02:02] <Castoro> membreya, you mean [make-kpkg kernel_image]   ?
[02:02] <tanek> doing that
[02:02] <deFrysk> tanek, cool
[02:02] <Seveas> lol membreya
[02:02] <tanek> :P
[02:03] <membreya> castoro, I'm compiling the source for OO.o2 since it refuses to install via synaptic
[02:03] <Castoro> Ah, k
[02:03] <Castoro> Sry, i misunderstood
[02:03] <membreya> this is aimed at Seveas, the all knowing :)
[02:03] <deFrysk> membreya, Oo installed fine here
[02:03] <membreya> if I download a package's source code, is there any way to create a .deb file with the compiled app??
[02:03] <membreya> deFrysk: are you running amd64?
[02:03] <MemnocH`> hello
[02:04] <thoreauputic> membreya: checkinstall
[02:04] <MemnocH`> it verks!
[02:04] <membreya> welcome back MemnocH :)
[02:04] <deFrysk> membreya, ooh , sorry
[02:04] <Usiu> Is there a package in ubuntu for vim with evolution ??
[02:04] <Usiu> ?
[02:04] <Usiu> Or I need patching
[02:04] <membreya> thoreauputic: checkinstall will make a .deb file ?
[02:04] <Al_Gore> I invented Evolution
[02:04] <thoreauputic> membreya: yup
[02:04] <archangel_> hey everyone, can anyone give me a good p2p other than mldonkey?
[02:04] <Usiu> archangel_, amule
[02:04] <MemnocH`> emule
[02:04] <thoreauputic> membreya: and install it
[02:04] <membreya> archangel_: azureus
[02:04] <Usiu> membreya, azureus is for torrent
[02:04] <archangel_> amule or emule?
[02:04] <membreya> thoreauputic: so I just need to do a ./configure && make
[02:04] <thoreauputic> membreya: usually in /usr/local/
[02:04] <Usiu> archangel_, amule
[02:05] <Usiu> archangel_, not e
[02:05] <deFrysk> limewire i like
[02:05] <membreya> and then do a checkinstall
[02:05] <deFrysk> limewire and azureus
[02:05] <archangel_> is there a gui?
[02:05] <archangel_> for amule?
[02:05] <thoreauputic> membreya: yes, that's it
[02:05] <thoreauputic> membreya: it's dead easy
[02:06] <membreya> damn you openoffice.org..giving me RPM's!
[02:06] <membreya> I HATE YOU!
[02:06] <Usiu> archangel_, amule is in gtk2
[02:06] <thoreauputic> membreya: compiling openoffice, on the other hand... well ... have fun ;)
[02:06] <membreya> thoreauputic: it refuses to install either via apt-get install or synaptic >:(
[02:07] <thoreauputic> membreya: I gathered
[02:07] <membreya> don't gather..fix :P
[02:07] <thoreauputic> membreya: you could try using alien on the rpm I guess
[02:08] <membreya> not another thing I have to learn
[02:08] <fade3> hi can anyone help with gnome ppp?
[02:08] <Vjaz> Hm... is the current (2.10.0) Fileroller brain-damaged, or does everyone think that it's a good idea to unpack in the directory that's selected with the dialog, and not the one it's showing?
[02:08] <thoreauputic> membreya: the open office folk don't seem to realise that rpm is brain-damaged
[02:08] <MemnocH> how do i configure sound?
[02:08] <membreya> Vjaz: known qualm :P
[02:08] <thoreauputic> why they don't supply an installer/binary is beyond me
[02:09] <Vjaz> membreya: Thought so... is it more a problem in File-Roller or the Gnome standard dialog?
[02:09] <membreya> not sure
[02:09] <xiximkopp> IS IT POSSIBLE TO CHANGE THE MIXER DEVICE CONTROLLED BY MM-KEYBOARDS IN GNOME??? :-D
[02:09] <thoreauputic> xiximkopp: IS IT POSSIBLE TO FIX YOUR CAPS LOCK ?
[02:10] <membreya> lol thor :P
[02:10] <Usiu> thoreauputic, ;) yes
[02:10] <Al_Gore> They put a vending machine in
[02:10] <archangel_> I'm trying to use amule but it says I make a connection and lose a connection
[02:10] <Usiu> archangel_, try... again
[02:11] <Usiu> archangel_, maybe you;re low id
[02:11] <LordGrunt> what about removing gnome completely (exept synaptic maybe)? possible or not?
[02:11] <Usiu> LordGrunt, Why not ?
[02:11] <membreya> how can you run synaptic without gnome?
[02:11] <archangel_> yea it said I was
[02:11] <membreya> you could just change your run level so it doesn't load by default :)
[02:11] <archangel_> how do I change low id
[02:11] <deFrysk> membreya, install xfce4
[02:11] <membreya> archangel_: reconnect
[02:11] <LordGrunt> no, im switching to kde
[02:12] <membreya> deFrysk: wassat?
[02:12] <Usiu> membreya, he can... but not without libgnome etc..
[02:12] <MemnocH> membreya, your using x86_64?
[02:12] <Usiu> membreya, anyway gnome is the best linux desktop..
[02:12] <Usiu> membreya, kde sucks..
[02:12] <deFrysk> membreya, gtk2 wm
[02:12] <MemnocH> yeh it does
[02:12] <membreya> MemnocH: amd-k8
[02:12] <Usiu> membreya, that's my opition.
[02:12] <LordGrunt> and kde's package manager sucks, i want synaptic kept
[02:12] <membreya> deFrysk: why would I want that? :P
[02:12] <deFrysk> Usiu, tsk!
[02:12] <deFrysk> membreya, to run synaptic
[02:12] <deFrysk> ;p
[02:13] <Al_Gore> Help
[02:13] <occy> anyone know how to fix this?
[02:13] <occy> Errors were encountered while processing:
[02:13] <occy>  /var/cache/apt/archives/kdeedu-data_4%3a3.3.2-1ubuntu2_all.deb
[02:13] <LordGrunt> archangel_: using what with low id?
[02:13] <deFrysk> kde rules btw ;p
[02:13] <occy> I tried: apt-get -f install
[02:13] <Al_Gore> I cannot get Ubuntu to install
[02:13] <Seveas> Al_Gore, that's not good
[02:13] <Castoro> Anyone can tell me where i can find a framebuffer guide?
[02:13] <membreya> deFrysk: synaptic runs.. I just can't get it to install OO.o2
[02:14] <Al_Gore> I have an Apple IIGS with a 8Mhz 64C816 Processor, 2MB of ram, and a 1X CD Rom and a 80MB Hard Disk, but Ubuntu won't install on it :(
[02:14] <Seveas> Castoro, http://wwww.google.com/search?q=framebuffer+guide
[02:14] <Seveas> Al_Gore, rofl
[02:14] <BleSS> somebody with ups (uninterrumpided power system) could run '[ -d /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0 ]  && echo yes' ?
[02:14] <Seveas> are you serious??
[02:14] <membreya> LordGrunt: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Kubuntu :)
[02:14] <SiRrUs> Al_Goreafter creating Linux and the internet should be childs play for you :)
[02:14] <jsgotangco> whoever made that OOo2 splash page sure is in a hurry
[02:14] <Castoro> Seveas, thx, but i've already done the Google-way. I asked for a Ubuntu How-to ...
[02:14] <Al_Gore> :)
[02:14] <membreya> jsgotangco: stop taunting me, you know I can't install it
[02:14] <occy> jsgotangco: s/is/was/ ?
[02:15] <Seveas> Castoro, maybe there is something on the ubuntu wiki...
[02:15] <Castoro> Nope
[02:15] <archangel_> anyone know how I can make port 4662 available in amule?
[02:15] <Castoro> (at least, nothing working)
[02:15] <occy> anyone know much about apt?
[02:15] <Usiu> archangel_, on your NAT router !
[02:15] <Usiu> archangel_, ;)
[02:15] <deFrysk> membreya, I have kde.3.4 running on hoary :)
[02:15] <archangel_> please explain I'm new
[02:16] <mjr> ok, now's the time to reboot to hoary (to get the new kernel too)
[02:16] <occy> mjr: Mine died on upgrade
[02:16] <occy> :/
[02:16] <membreya> enjoy mjr :)
[02:16] <occy> mjr: tried to apt-get -f install   and that didn't fix it.
[02:16] <Usiu> archangel_, if you are behind a NAT... large network one gateway... only gateway admin can somehow make connection tracking for it..
[02:16] <MemnocH`> how does one test 3d performance and drivers?
[02:16] <occy> mjr: any ideas?
[02:17] <deFrysk> MemnocH, glxgears ?
[02:17] <membreya> MemnocH: glxgears from a terminal :)
[02:17] <membreya> hah deFrysk :P
[02:17] <MemnocH`> how do i launch it?
[02:17] <deFrysk> ;p
[02:17] <MemnocH`> newbies here
[02:17] <membreya> go to a terminal and type "glxgears
[02:17] <deFrysk> in your terminal
[02:17] <membreya> "
[02:17] <Seveas> MemnocH`, play a game and check framerate :)
[02:17] <Usiu> archangel_, try to connect to other servers..
[02:17] <membreya> the frames are displayed in the terminal
[02:17] <Usiu> archangel_, that's all..
[02:17] <deFrysk> or start playing doom3
[02:18] <MemnocH`> 34677 frames in 5.0 seconds = 6935.400 FPS
[02:18] <MemnocH`> any good?
[02:18] <membreya> hahah yes :)
[02:18] <Usiu> MemnocH, what card ?
[02:18] <MemnocH`> gf6600GT pci-e
[02:18] <membreya> I get like 500 :|
[02:18] <Usiu> MemnocH, i get 1320 FPS with radeon 7500 ;)
[02:18] <Seveas> not bad :)
[02:18] <MemnocH`> $275 AUD
[02:18] <membreya> but I'm only using a geforce 4000
[02:18] <BleSS> somebody with ups (uninterrumpided power system)?
[02:18] <Seveas> WITHOUT ati drivers
[02:18] <MemnocH`> :)
[02:18] <membreya> MemnocH: are you using agpart or are you using nv_agp ?
[02:19] <occy> crimsun: you about?
[02:19] <MemnocH`> ahh no idea, im scared to open xfree config again incaise it blows up
[02:19] <chrissturm> hey guys! i am running hoary, and after logging into gnome i get "failed to initialize HAL".
[02:19] <MemnocH`> ill check though :)
[02:19] <occy> he must be asleep
[02:20] <MemnocH`> membreya, which part ofr the file?
[02:20] <MemnocH`> ill pm it to you?
[02:20] <membreya> k, but it's easier to send /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[02:21] <MemnocH`> xfree here...
[02:21] <chrissturm> how can i check if inotify works? i think it should work, because i use hoary. but beagle complains
[02:21] <chrissturm> and i hove no /dev/inotify device
[02:22] <Al_Gore> I have an Apple IIGS with a 8Mhz 64C816 Processor, 2MB of ram, and a 1X CD Rom and a 80MB Hard Disk, but slackware won't install on it :(
[02:22] <Al_Gore> the most powerful computer in the world
[02:23] <psi> when did you invent it?
[02:23] <occy> Here is my error, I've pasted it to pastebin.com:    http://pastebin.com/255645
[02:23] <occy> anyone have a free moment?
[02:23] <LordGrunt> upgrade to hoarty asks me about upgrading new vesrion of /etc/udev/scripts/ide-devfs.sh. should i do it?
[02:23] <LordGrunt> i mean, install new or keep?
[02:23] <Amaranth> occy: File a bug.
[02:23] <zerovertex> LordGrunt, install new caused no problems for me.
 can you help me get Debian running
 I have an Apple IIGS with a 8Mhz 64C816 Processor, 2MB of ram, and a 1X CD Rom and a 80MB Hard Disk, but Debian won't install on it :(
[02:24] <Al_Gore> --> exobyte (~exobyte@ppp-69-233-198-71.dsl.skt2ca.pacbell.net) has joined #debian
 It won't install on my TI-30 either...
 Al_Gore: What happens when you try?
[02:24] <thoreauputic> Al_Gore: you need a PDP-11
[02:24] <ivan_> occy:just ask the question and c who bites
 Al_Gore: linux will not run on such a computer
 I thought Linux was portable?
 stew thanks. that's what i wanted. though it does'nt go down to the level of gnome/kde/etc. but that's sort of what i want.
[02:24] <Al_Gore> --> jharrisonwk (~jharrison@a24-244-140-15.maxil.com) has joined #debian
 Al_Gore: It really needs a CPU with memory management.
 Al_Gore: Port[able]  and port[ed]  are different words.
[02:24] <occy> ivan_: heh, I've already asked.
 sp: /msg dpkg install kde ; /msg dpkg install gnome ; or try using aptitude
[02:24] <LordGrunt> zerovertex: thanks
[02:24] <Amaranth> daniels: Thank you.
[02:24] <LordGrunt> lol
[02:24] <occy> ivan_: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade   fails.  I tried apt-get -f install   it didn't fix it.
[02:24] <johnnybezak> Al_Gore: try netbsd :P
[02:24] <membreya> MemnocH`: just copy and paste it to a private message :)
[02:24] <occy> ftwig: :P
[02:25] <Amaranth> occy: Yeah, that's a bug. https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/
[02:25] <MemnocH`> membreya, dont mind me, not used to this client
[02:25] <occy> Amaranth: ahh, no way to get around it?
[02:25] <membreya> :P
[02:25] <Amaranth> occy: You can force it.
[02:25] <ftwig> only just joined, sorry thought you had just posted a link to the\question
[02:25] <MemnocH`> the whole log file?
[02:25] <Amaranth> occy: But still file a bug.
[02:25] <membreya> sure MemnocH` :)
[02:26] <BleSS> somebody knows if a ups (uninterrumpided power system) is managed via acpi?
[02:26] <occy> Amaranth: k, can you tell me how to make it go through?  (force?)
[02:26] <Myrtti> /me crosses her fingers
[02:26] <MemnocH`> can u open chat up :)
[02:26] <MemnocH`> cant get it to work here.
[02:26] <MemnocH`> newb....
[02:26] <Amaranth> occy: dpkg -i --force-all /var/cache/apt/archives/kdeedu-data_4%3a3.3.2-1ubuntu2_all.deb
[02:26] <Amaranth> whatever that %3a is supposed to be
[02:26] <membreya> MemnocH`: x-chat?
[02:26] <MemnocH`> yeh
[02:27] <membreya> right click on my name and go to Open Dialogue Window
[02:27] <Amaranth> or dbl click the nick
[02:27] <Amaranth> that'll open a "Dialogue Window"
[02:27] <membreya> Amaranth: by default double click does a "whois"
[02:28] <Amaranth> oh, so it does
[02:28] <Amaranth> i haven't used that feature in a long time
[02:28] <membreya> get your head out of MIRC Amaranth :P
[02:28] <Amaranth> hey, i think that was x-chat windows
[02:28] <membreya> suuuuuuure :P
[02:28] <MemnocH`> thx
[02:28] <MemnocH`> ok, with x86_64 I need to setup a chroot to install 32bit stuff into dont I?
[02:29] <membreya> MemnocH: not necessarily
[02:29] <membreya> just find a 64bit version of the app
[02:29] <MemnocH`> transgaming, world of warcraft is my aim
[02:29] <Amaranth> MemnocH`: iirc there is a package for that
[02:29] <membreya> damn...another loss to WOW
[02:29] <Amaranth> vs what?
[02:29] <MemnocH`> yes, totaly adicted
[02:29] <MemnocH`> so much so I forget how to spell and function as a human
[02:30] <membreya> you're right at home on the net then :P
[02:30] <membreya> hmmmm MemnocH` your private message has stopped sending :|
[02:30] <MemnocH`> get that?
[02:30] <membreya> yup
[02:30] <membreya> ok, perhaps it's easier to tell you what to look for
[02:30] <membreya> either look for agpart
[02:31] <membreya> or nv_agp
[02:31] <Usiu> Is there a eclipse3 for ubuntu ??
[02:31] <Usiu> ?
[02:31] <LordGrunt> what to install instead of gnome display manager (from kde packages)?
[02:31] <membreya> send away then MemnocH` :)
[02:31] <LordGrunt> i want to get rid of gnome's login stuff
[02:31] <thoreauputic> LordGrunt: kdm
[02:31] <LordGrunt> just installing will be fine?
[02:32] <Funraiser> just discovered how to download "files" using newsgroups...it's amazing
[02:32] <Amaranth> x-chat will only paste a certain number of lines
[02:32] <Amaranth> for obvious reasons
[02:32] <thoreauputic> LordGrunt: I suppose - haven't tried it. It would need to be made default I guess
[02:33] <Amaranth> LordGrunt: What's wrong with gdm?
[02:33] <membreya> wants to be different for the sake of being different?
[02:33] <LordGrunt> its a part of gnome which is going off from my system ;)
[02:34] <LordGrunt> for the sake of hdd space
[02:34] <LordGrunt> which im short on
[02:34] <membreya> buy a bigger harddrive?
[02:34] <thoreauputic> LordGrunt: why aren't you just using kubuntu?
[02:34] <LordGrunt> because i never heard about it? :P
[02:35] <Amaranth> But I don't understand why you would replace gdm with kdm.
[02:35] <thoreauputic> LordGrunt: that would be a reason... *grin*
[02:35] <HiddenWolf> lordgrunt: kubuntu -> ubuntu -gnome +kde
[02:35] <occy> Amaranth: filed.
[02:35] <Amaranth> Unless you're purging GTK and GNOME completely off your system.
[02:35] <LordGrunt> no, gtk stays :)
[02:35] <HiddenWolf> amaranth: now there's an idea!
[02:35] <Amaranth> HiddenWolf: You fail it.
[02:35] <Amaranth> :)
[02:36] <MemnocH`> does trillian support linux?
[02:36] <LordGrunt> k, i have 260MB free on / :D and upgrade still in progress...
[02:36] <Myrtti> prolly not, why are you asking?
[02:37] <thoreauputic> MemnocH, no but beeblebrox does
[02:37] <MemnocH`> need icq / msn support on this boxen
[02:37] <Amaranth> LordGrunt: apt-get clean <--that might help
[02:37] <Amaranth> MemnocH`: gaim
[02:37] <Myrtti> MemnocH`: gaim
[02:37] <Myrtti> or bitlbee
[02:37] <MemnocH`> ok thx guys
[02:37] <LordGrunt> Amaranth: wont hurt? ;)
[02:37] <Amaranth> LordGrunt: It'll remove all the debs on your system.
[02:37] <Amaranth> The ones apt-get downloads to install from.
[02:38] <Amaranth> You already have them installed, you don't really need the debs anymore
[02:38] <LordGrunt> that will be a lot :) thanks
[02:38] <xamdm> how can i change the applications-menu in hoary ??
[02:39] <HiddenWolf> xadm: you can't, easily
[02:39] <thoreauputic> xamdm: with great difficulty...
[02:39] <xamdm> HiddenWolf, and uneasily ;-)
[02:40] <HiddenWolf> xamdm: start editing xml and .desktop files.
[02:40] <bretzel> chrissturm: I agree but not everybody are here to answer questions, and only few ( it seems ) knows very well al sort of Linux/Ubuntu/Debian problemes. We try help each others, and getting help at the same time :-)
[02:40] <xamdm> HiddenWolf, thx
[02:41] <HiddenWolf> bretzel: for the difficult questions an awnser can almost always be found. Don't be suprized if you see the kernel team leader anwsering questions about gstreamer-mad here, btw. ;)
[02:41] <bretzel> :-)
[02:41] <chrissturm> ok, so now my tricky question: why does my gnome say "unable to initialize HAL" =
[02:42] <chrissturm> and why does beagle complain about missing inotify
[02:42] <chrissturm> (running latest hoary kernel)
[02:42] <HiddenWolf> I think hoary is running dnotify
[02:42] <chrissturm> nope
[02:43] <lunitik> HiddenWolf: inotify afaik
[02:43] <xamdm> chrissturm, is hal installed ??
[02:43] <occy> Amaranth: thank you for your help.
[02:46] <chrissturm> xamdm: yep
[02:48] <skreet> I'm getting GPG signature errors while using the Nerim repository, Am I alone?
[02:48] <airox> No :)
[02:48] <chrissturm> skreet: no.
[02:49] <skreet> chrissturm, good to know :D
[02:49] <skreet> chrissturm, I'll just log and try later then. Thanks.
[02:49] <chrissturm> skreet: you can just ignore those errors
[02:49] <chrissturm> they occur because you dont have the nerim key installed
[02:51] <MemnocH`> any pointers from any one on how to config sound (audigy 2 value)
[02:51] <chrissturm> memmoch: what do you want to configure?
[02:52] <MemnocH`> no sound atm
[02:52] <MemnocH`> no idea how to make it work..
[02:53] <chrissturm> memmoch: type this: lsmod | grep snd
[02:53] <skreet> Anyone know if theres a way to fix those ATI bugs relating to closing the screen or the system going to sleep?
[02:53] <LordGrunt> hmm, so python is somehow connected with gnome or just ubuntu devs choice?
[02:53] <MemnocH`> chrissturm, nothing
[02:53] <psai_> how can i specify the alsa "default" device
[02:54] <LordGrunt> yay, seems like upgrade is finishing :D after 5h of dl and 2.5h of configuring ;)
[02:54] <skreet> Multimedia Systems Selector in the System Menu
[02:54] <skreet> should take care of it for ya.
[02:55] <psai_> hmm dmesg shows me
[02:55] <psai_> ALSA device list:
[02:55] <psai_>   #0: Dummy 1
[02:55] <psai_>   #1: Virtual MIDI Card 1
[02:55] <psai_>   #2:
[02:55] <psai_>   #3: NVidia nForce2 with ALC650F at 0xea080000, irq 22
[02:55] <psai_> i believe gstreamer use #0 instead of #3
[02:55] <chrissturm> memnoch: are you running horay or warty?
[02:55] <MemnocH`> horay
[02:55] <skreet> psai_, Thats odd..
[02:56] <psai_> in programs like beep media player i can manually select the currect device
[02:56] <psai_> and it works
[02:56] <psai_> but i cant figure out how to setup gstreamer
[02:56] <skreet> Hm
[02:56] <chrissturm> memnoch:  sudo /etc/init.d/alsa restart
[02:57] <linuxboy> LordGrunt: what upgrade are you doing?
[02:57] <LordGrunt> to hoarty
[02:57] <MemnocH`> chrissturm, ok ok
[02:57] <chrissturm> psai: /etc/esound/esd.conf
[02:57] <linuxboy> LordGrunt: what speed pc you doing it on ?
[02:59] <LordGrunt> linuxboy: 333Mhz ;)
[02:59] <skreet> Wow.
[02:59] <skreet> Sweet.
[02:59] <LordGrunt> hehe, u see? its possible :)
[02:59] <gilles> How to update warty to hoary, so that warty is exactly as hoary is when it's installed with the preview cd (with background, music, auto-recognition of photo camera...) ?
[02:59] <linuxboy> LordGrunt: aaah ;) ok
[03:00] <skreet> Imagine if he was using slackware or gentoo or something.
[03:00] <skreet> :P
[03:01] <MemnocH`> chrissturm, what to do now? Any how tos on this?
[03:01] <kaouete> hi
[03:01] <xdebianuser> Hi there. I'm an Ubuntu newbie, just completed installation and ws wondering if its possible to install KDE
[03:01] <skreet> xdebianuser, It's possible, but a pain in the arse
[03:02] <chrissturm> memnoch: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6892
[03:02] <deFrysk> xdebianuser, on hoary , yes
[03:02] <kaouete> i have a little problem, after few investigations, it looks like that when i start X, i get this error : (EE) I810(0): vm86() syscall generated signal 8.
[03:02] <skreet> Ah, I did it on warty.
[03:02] <Hannes_> LordGrunt: your pc is half-evil ;D
[03:02] <fade3> Connecting to the Internet: can anyone help??!!!
[03:02] <LordGrunt> Hannes_: why half?
[03:02] <deFrysk> on hoary kde instal is easy
[03:02] <skreet> kaouete, Using on-board video on an Intel Chipset board?
[03:03] <chrissturm> memnoch: this entry suggests that it wont work with hoary. strange thing is that my alsa-headers version is 1.0.8.
[03:03] <Hannes_> LordGrunt: 333x2=?
[03:03] <kaouete> skreet: yes, exactly, i have never had problem on a debian sid
[03:03] <Marlun> Whats the system requirements for running ubuntu? =)
[03:03] <skreet> kaouete, What is your driver line in X11/xorg.conf (depending on build of ubuntu it's either Xfree or Xorg)
[03:03] <kaouete> skreet: i810, i'm on hoary, with xorg
[03:03] <fade3> Connecting to the Internet: can anyone help??!!!
[03:04] <Nermal> fade3, you seem to be already connected
[03:04] <skreet> kaouete, I cant tell you how to *fix* the i810 driver but I can bet that "vesa" will work for you just fine :D
[03:04] <fade3> not quite
[03:04] <skreet> vesa is what I use on my laptop when i'm not gaming because ATI's FGLRX and suspend/sleep modes dont play well :D
[03:04] <kaouete> skreet: yes i know :)
[03:04] <MemnocH`> chrissturm, ok thx, ill have to get onto forums
[03:04] <mjr> well well, isn't this composite thing slow
[03:05] <mjr> big surprise there :)
[03:05] <skreet> kaouete, Have you tried making sure xorg and drivers are up to date?
[03:05] <kaouete> skreet: ubuntu ones :] 
[03:05] <skreet> kaouete, Hrm.
[03:05] <kaouete> i guess they are
[03:05] <kaouete> but it was working before on xfree with drivers from dri cvs
[03:05] <skreet> Well you're past my limited knowledge :D
[03:06] <kaouete> hehe
[03:06] <kaouete> cya
[03:06] <kaouete> thanks for the help
[03:06] <T_Trainer> could someone tell me how I could set default character encoding in Hoary?
[03:06] <Solatis> hmmm anyone has any idea why the nvidia drivers aren't working 'out of the box' on warty ? they used to work :X
[03:06] <Marlun> can I run ubuntu on a computer with only 233mhz and 6gb harddrive?
[03:06] <kaouete> Solatis: dpkg-reconfigure locales ?
[03:06] <Solatis> http://130.89.169.72/xfree.log
[03:06] <kaouete> Marlun: you can try, i dont think it will be really usable
[03:07] <Marlun> ok :)
[03:07] <Solatis> kaouete: hm ? what does that do ? :P
[03:07] <engie> Hi. I'm running the hoary preview on a dell laptop (It's great!), however I am looking for a nice way of connecting to wireless networks. The system should store my WEP keys, scan for known networks and connect to them if possible, it not it should scan for open networks and offer to connect to them. Pretty much what the standard windows drivers do. Is there any ubuntu-esque way to do this?
[03:07] <Marlun> I was wondering if I could use that old thing for anything useful, but I guess not :P
[03:07] <kaouete> Solatis: it reconfigures locales, you just tell : next, next, next until it ask you for default character encodings
[03:07] <msh_> Hi, how can i change the resaolution of my console?
[03:07] <msh_> Edit the grub files/
[03:07] <kaouete> Solatis: in fact, do : sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[03:08] <kaouete> msh_: look at vga= option
[03:08] <Solatis> kaouete: but how can that fix the nvidia driver ?
[03:08] <Solatis> i don't see the relevance :P
[03:08] <kaouete> Solatis: ah, i dont see the link neither
[03:08] <Solatis> d'oh
[03:08] <Solatis> :P
[03:08] <thoreauputic> Marlun: sure you can use it - I have a 200mhz 64MB machine running Debian Woody
[03:09] <kaouete> it's because i didnt want to talke to you but to T_Trainer
[03:09] <Solatis> anyway, my problem still persist
[03:09] <fade3> internal modem connected to isdn line...can anyone help?
[03:09] <kaouete> sorry ^^
[03:09] <fade3> cant seem to connect
[03:09] <Marlun> A long time ago when I installed linux and then uninstalled it I could not install windows on the harddrive for some reason, can that still happen if I was to install ubuntu and then uninstall it?
[03:09] <Solatis> in my xfree log:
[03:09] <Solatis> (II) LoadModule: "nvidia"
[03:09] <Solatis> (WW) Warning, couldn't open module nvidia
[03:09] <Solatis> (II) UnloadModule: "nvidia"
[03:09] <Solatis> (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0)
[03:09] <kaouete> thoreauputic: he can use it, but cant use gnome or thing like that, can he ?
[03:09] <kaouete> Solatis: install nvidia module :)
[03:09] <Solatis> how can that be caused, when I certainly /do/ have the nvidia module loaded ?
[03:09] <Solatis> http://130.89.169.72/lsmod
[03:09] <kaouete> for xorg
[03:09] <kaouete> not the kernel one
[03:10] <thoreauputic> kaouete: gnome would be slowwww - I use fluxbox on that machine
[03:10] <Solatis> warty still uses Xfree ?
[03:10] <kaouete> thoreauputic: hehe ;)
[03:10] <Myrtti> yes
[03:10] <kaouete> maybe i should use warty if it use xfree, because it looks like xorg have problem with i830
[03:10] <msh_> kaouete: there isnt a vga option in my menu.lst
[03:10] <Solatis> ah i should still have to apt-get install nvidia-glx or something ?
[03:10] <kaouete> msh_: you need to add it, wait
[03:11] <msh_> ok
[03:11] <kaouete> ah, i dont have any debian working with me, i cant tell you :)
[03:11] <kaouete> there is a default option line
[03:11] <kaouete> added by update-grub
[03:11] <Solatis> nvidia-kernel-common ?
[03:11] <fade3> I will pay $100000 to whoever solves my isdn problem
[03:11] <kaouete> Solatis: not the kernel one
[03:11] <kaouete> fade3: i'm not sure you will :)
[03:11] <airox> engie: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=10046&page=1&pp=10
[03:11] <msh_> fade3: haha, im ccnp, throw it at me
[03:11] <Solatis> nvidia-glx ?
[03:11] <fade3> trust me
[03:12] <kaouete> Solatis: maybe
[03:12] <fade3> as long as my name is fade3, I wont tell a lie
[03:12] <kaouete> fade3: for this price, you can buy a dev to do the job
[03:12] <msh_> nick fade2
[03:12] <kaouete> Solatis: look at the howtos on ubuntu.com
[03:12] <kaouete> or the wiki
[03:12] <kaouete> i'm sure there is one about nvidia
[03:12] <mjr> composite didn't even crash even when running tuxracer (ooh, aah)
[03:13] <fade3> good point kaouete
[03:13] <fade3> but my offer still stands
[03:13] <fade3> now who is bold enough?
[03:13] <fade3> who are men and who are mice?
[03:14] <kaouete> :)
[03:14] <fade3> who are linux gurus and who are window washers
[03:14] <mjr> ooh, aah, Hoary contains my most excellent ghextris game :)
[03:14] <airox> I'm a garbage collector men.
[03:14] <jbailey> Hey, window washers scare me.  Sitting on a board 25 stories up seems just insane to me.
[03:14] <jbailey> At lesat Linux hacking is safe. =)
[03:14] <fade3> hehe
[03:14] <fade3> now seriously guys\
[03:15] <fade3> i really need help
[03:15] <kaouete> why ubuntu doesnt ask me if i want linux-386 OR linux-686 (or another one :)
[03:15] <fade3> with thsi isdn problem
[03:15] <mjr> ooh, aah, it bugs out
[03:15] <thoreauputic> fade3: sudo apt-get install isdutils
[03:15] <thoreauputic> * isdnutils
[03:15] <mjr> occy, no other ideas
[03:15] <wobbit> Hi i have a problem.... Im trying to install ubuntu over my network using tftp and ermm it doesnt work :p
[03:15] <fade3> thanks thoreauputic
[03:16] <thoreauputic> fade3:  found this http://www.linux.com/howtos/Modem-HOWTO-24.shtml
[03:16] <wobbit> If anyone has done network installs ill appreciate any help you guys can give me!!
[03:16] <Solatis> kaouete: ok well nvidia-glx didn't do the trick :(
[03:16] <LordGrunt> gee, my upgrade isn't finished yet. it goes over 2.5 h now...
[03:16] <kaouete> hehe
[03:16] <kaouete> so i dont know
[03:16] <thoreauputic> fade3 google  linux+isdn+modem+configuration+debian
[03:17] <LordGrunt> +installer+drivers
[03:17] <membreya> i hate you for suggesting crack-attack as a game thoreauputic, it's robbed me of such much of my life now :(
[03:17] <fade3> doing this as we speak...
[03:17] <Nermal> google should have an "I'm feeling stupid" button to basically do an I'm feeling lucky from irc
[03:17] <fade3> membreya addicted to crack? attack?
[03:17] <Solatis> sheesh
[03:17] <thoreauputic> membreya: not guilty - 'twas not I, Sir...
[03:18] <fade3> i agree nermal
[03:18] <wobbit> when you boot up my network boot agent just sits here after find the tfpt not doing very much... does it take a long time to work??? i used this http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-11-26.2137127791 page as reference
[03:18] <fade3> cos I'm always feeling stupid these days
[03:18] <membreya> im sure it was
[03:19] <kaouete> grumpf, downloading warty
[03:19] <kaouete> what are the main differences between warty and hoary ?
[03:19] <thoreauputic> fade3, I also suggest reading  `apt-cache show isdnutils `
[03:20] <LordGrunt> hoary have all newest stuff possible :)
[03:20] <kaouete> krkr
[03:20] <Solatis> where can i put a list of modules that should be loaded at boot ? under gentoo i had a /etc/modules.autoload, is something like that available for ubuntu ?
[03:20] <LordGrunt> thoreauputic: he have no ubuntu installed
[03:20] <fade3> once again, I'm indebted to u guys...thanks thorapeutic
[03:20] <kaouete> Solatis: /etc/modules
[03:20] <airox> Solatis: /etc/modules
[03:20] <Solatis> ok tx
[03:20] <airox> *slap*
[03:20] <kaouete> :)
[03:20] <kaouete> time to eat.
[03:20] <wobbit> help :(
[03:20] <kaouete> cya
[03:20] <Solatis> haha =)
[03:21] <airox> hmm ...
[03:21] <thoreauputic> LordGrunt: yes he does - i spent about an hour in pm with him trying to get ppp working
[03:21] <engie> airox: Thanks, that Wifi Radar thingy looks pretty cool. I'll have a play.
[03:21] <fade3> thanks wobbit
[03:22] <LordGrunt> thoreauputic: and works now? the system i mean? i thought he stopped install after net errors
[03:22] <airox> engie: Yeah, was looking for it also. Would be nice to have it popup balloons like in windows ...
[03:22] <wobbit> np :p
[03:22] <airox> engie: Hopefully there will be things better ;)
[03:22] <wobbit> lol
[03:22] <wobbit> that will take some time fade3  im a big bugger :p
[03:22] <thoreauputic> LordGrunt: he's trying to get isdn working ( fade3)
[03:22] <engie> airox: Well, it's python based - ideal for future ubuntu integration I guess
[03:23] <fade3> lol
[03:23] <airox> engie: yeah
[03:23] <Solatis> woohoo my nvidia driver is (finally) working!
[03:23] <Solatis> tx all! (K)
[03:23] <fade3> okay thoreauputic:I typed in the command
[03:24] <fade3> sudo apt-get install isdnutils
[03:24] <airox> Solatis: Get rid of your msn addiction.
[03:24] <airox> :P
[03:24] <LordGrunt> yuppiieeeeeee! upgrade finished!
[03:24] <thoreauputic> fade3: and?
[03:24] <Solatis> haha airox
[03:24] <fade3> I got a blue screen
[03:24] <Solatis> tbh, i'm a bitlbee user
[03:24] <wobbit> lol
[03:24] <Solatis> so only irc
[03:24] <membreya> engie: a wifi radar? :)
[03:24] <airox> Good thing :)
[03:24] <membreya> url ? :D
[03:24] <Solatis> so i never EVER see those smilies :)
[03:24] <thoreauputic> fade3: with questions?
[03:24] <fade3> lol, yes
[03:25] <thoreauputic> whew
[03:25] <thoreauputic> :)
[03:25] <fade3> isps's telephone number...etc
[03:25] <fade3> I'm just filling it out
[03:25] <thoreauputic> aha
[03:25] <fade3> hang on...
[03:25] <Solatis> wow, never EVER have i enjoyed smooth scrolling this much... long live better drivers :)
[03:25] <thoreauputic> sounds promising
[03:26] <motuline> Does iptables block even xchat receiving?
[03:26] <airox> motuline: If you configure it so.
[03:26] <motuline> default settings
[03:26] <airox> default settings ...
[03:26] <motuline> i installed ubuntu about 1h ago
[03:27] <airox> motuline: Then it will not block anything afaik.
[03:27] <motuline> ok
[03:27] <airox> You mean default settings when loaded i assume ?
[03:27] <motuline> i guess
[03:27] <motuline> i installed ubuntu and i havent do anything to iptables (sorry for bad english :) )
[03:28] <airox> :)
[03:28] <airox> Well ubuntu doesn't block anything by default.
[03:28] <membreya> why are there no "howto's" for using gmail in linux? :|
[03:28] <motuline> it blocks my dcc sends ^^
[03:28] <airox> But I guess there aren't any services listening to ...
[03:28] <thoreauputic> membreya: why would you need one?
[03:28] <membreya> thoreauputic: cos I'm stupid? :)
[03:29] <membreya> or you mean why would I use it ?
[03:29] <membreya> cos it's 1gb of free storage
[03:29] <thoreauputic> membreya: ah, that explains it :)
[03:29] <membreya> :P
[03:29] <Solatis> anyone with a gforce2 here ?
[03:29] <airox> Solatis: yep.
[03:29] <motuline> and another guestion about iptables ^^.. /sbin/iptables --flush disables iptable settings? but how i can restore them? (/etc/int.d/iptables restart in fc)
[03:29] <airox> Solatis: had one running with linux.
[03:29] <membreya> me saying I'm stupid is a redundant comment though
[03:29] <Solatis> as in, what are normal glxgears FPS results for a geforce2?
[03:29] <Solatis> i get 250FPS
[03:29] <Solatis> i think it's a bit too low
[03:29] <airox> motuline: You have to configure it first!
[03:30] <motuline> argh :)
[03:30] <airox> motuline: It's a hell of a job to make one, so consider installing some firewall tool.
[03:30] <airox> motuline: Although for desktops it shouldn't be that hard.
[03:30] <thoreauputic> motuline: sudo apt-get install firestarter
[03:30] <membreya> firestarter is good..just don't run the tray icon :P
[03:30] <airox> It has one ? :)
[03:31] <thoreauputic> membreya: I have no problems with the tray icon...
[03:31] <motuline> if i download firestarter i can remove/disable iptables?
[03:31] <membreya> i was always getting requests outside of ports I wanted :|
[03:31] <thoreauputic> motuline: no, firestarter uses iptables :)
[03:31] <airox> motuline: You can set the iptables rules.
[03:31] <motuline> ok
[03:31] <membreya> even though my physical firewall only lets a few ports forward :|
[03:31] <motuline> (newbie) :)
[03:32] <airox> pf for firewalling is nice to :)
[03:33] <fade3> still no luck thorapeutic
[03:33] <thoreauputic> motuline: your dcc problem could be either 1) being behind NAT (connection sharing) or 2) not getting your IP from the server
[03:33] <Solatis> omg i'm just soooo happy with my nvidia drivers working :P
[03:33] <Solatis> hahaha
[03:33] <Solatis> sheesh =)
[03:34] <Solatis> everything works smooth again
[03:34] <thoreauputic> motuline: the second is configurable in xchat
[03:34] <airox> Solatis: hehe
[03:34] <Solatis> wooohoooo ! :)
[03:34] <fade3> the questions were specific to a certain domain I think
[03:34] <airox> Solatis: Ever played Enemy Territory ? :))
[03:34] <Solatis> haha
[03:34] <Solatis> you know
[03:34] <xamdm> Solatis, which version are u using ??, just builde a package with the 7167 ;-)
[03:34] <Solatis> 30 seconds ago
[03:34] <fade3> asking abount rates tables and country codes...
[03:34] <motuline> is there some better sources.list for ubuntu (before used fc3)
[03:34] <djp> ok, getting more experimental now... what does anyone here recommend as the better lightweight window manager? xfce4, fluxbox, blackbox etc?
[03:34] <airox> Solatis: hehehe
[03:34] <Solatis> someone else told me to install that :P
[03:34] <thoreauputic> fade3:  :(
[03:34] <airox> Solatis: So, do it! :)
[03:34] <fade3> whats that got to do with isdn?
[03:34] <Solatis> xamdm: i downgraded my entire system back to warty to get it fixed
[03:34] <airox> djp: fluxbox is nice.
[03:35] <thoreauputic> fade3: wel, at least you have an isdn utility now, that's a step...
[03:35] <edge> warty is upgrading ;-) not a downgrade.
[03:35] <xamdm> Solatis, strang, im running hoary with nvidia, everything fine ..
[03:35] <Solatis> airox: is it playable without sound ?
[03:35] <xamdm> djp: i like xfce4
[03:35] <djp> airox: yeah, i currently have that installed
[03:35] <Solatis> xamdm: myeah, i don't know, it gave a blank screen when nvidia module was loaded under xorg... it was a known problem, just no real fix yet
[03:35] <djp> xamdm: that is the one that i have been reading some good reviews about. it looks nice.
[03:35] <airox> Solatis: Well with sound is better offcourse :)
[03:35] <Solatis> latest version (march 11) not fixed either
[03:35] <fade3> how do u check if there are isdn utilities for a specific country
[03:36] <motuline> default sources.list wont find firestarter.. i guess ill have to find better
[03:36] <fade3> ?
[03:36] <xamdm> does anyone know when xfce4.2 will be in ubuntu ??
[03:36] <Solatis> airox: ah i'll just install it and see :P
[03:36] <chrissturm> who starts hald? dbus-1 ?
[03:36] <membreya> gah, why am I getting unmet dependencies all night :(
[03:36] <Solatis> hmmm i wonder
[03:36] <Solatis> does ubuntu set up sound automagically ?
[03:36] <Solatis> as in, i never took the time to connect speakers to this box
[03:36] <airox> Solatis: hehe
[03:36] <Solatis> but i do have an onboard sound card :P
[03:36] <xamdm> Solatis, for me it did ;-)
[03:36] <Solatis> lemme see
[03:37] <airox> Solatis: For me i had to edit 2 configuration files :)
[03:37] <djp> xamdm: how do u get xfce4 to start by default?
[03:37] <xamdm> djp: i used the os-cilliation installer ;-)
[03:37] <xamdm> djp: in hoary jou can use there deb-packages
[03:38] <djp> xamdm: warty here
[03:38] <xamdm> djp: you use gdm ??
[03:38] <chrissturm> hmm, i have no hal running and i would really like to know why
[03:39] <xamdm> chrissturm, reinstall hal ??
[03:39] <motuline> where i can found good sources.list for ubuntu?
[03:40] <chrissturm> xamdm: we arent in wintendo land here
[03:40] <chrissturm> i want to find out why it doesnt work
[03:40] <chrissturm> where it should be started, why it doesnt run
[03:40] <vieirar> I am using Ubuntu Hoary. I have set up Evolution with gotmail to recieve my hotmail e-mail. I then use sendmail to send the e-mails. Does Hoary have a firewall installed? If not is there a howto for installing one. I know sendmail uses port 25 so I want to allow outbound but no inbound.
[03:40] <bretzel>  -- Hello -- I am thinking of installing freebsd ( 5.3 ) on my actuall celeron 1.7 Kubuntu (server-install only) because that computer IS dedicated home server box. Any one used to freebsd ??
[03:40] <xamdm> chrissturm, warty ore hoary ??
[03:40] <thoreauputic> motuline: just enable universe repository in synaptic
[03:41] <chrissturm> hoary
[03:41] <xamdm> chrissturm, updated from warty ore install from disk ??
[03:41] <thoreauputic> motuline: settings >> repositories >> tick all the boxes
[03:41] <chrissturm> xamdm: updated
[03:41] <thoreauputic> motuline: then hit the reload button
[03:41] <Solatis> hmmm
[03:41] <bretzel> afk - coffee time
[03:41] <Solatis> missing dependency for xmms?
[03:41] <Solatis> lmergen@solatis3:~ $ xmms
[03:41] <Solatis> libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[03:41] <Solatis> Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!
[03:41] <xamdm> chrissturm, that happen to a friend of mine two, something in the updates went wrong, dont't found out why
[03:41] <Solatis> lmergen@solatis3:~ $
[03:42] <chrissturm> is there a logfile that hal writes to?
[03:42] <chrissturm> xamdm: it worked all the time, and now it doesnt work for a week
[03:42] <fade3> anyone know how to mount a mouse on a ubuntu-linux laptop?
[03:42] <thoreauputic> Solatis: sudo apt-get install libmikmod2  I think
[03:42] <Solatis> uhuh
[03:42] <Solatis> already did
[03:42] <Solatis> but it should do it automatically :P
[03:42] <xamdm> chrissturm, oh, kernel-update ??
[03:42] <thoreauputic> Solatis: true
[03:42] <chrissturm> xamdm: possibly
[03:42] <fade3> ?
[03:43] <movi> can someone explain me this behavior: i was doing my fstab so that linux mounts my vfat/ntfs volumes on start
[03:43] <fade3> anyone know how to mount a mouse on a ubuntu-linux laptop?
[03:43] <movi> and gnome 2.10 did a perfect job of including those drives in both the dekstop and "Computer" and as drives in "Places"
[03:43] <airox> fade3: mouse ? :/
[03:43] <movi> those drives were named after the folders they have been mounted top
[03:43] <Solatis> woooohooo
[03:43] <movi> to
[03:43] <thoreauputic> fade3: "mount" a mouse??
[03:43] <Solatis> sound works out of the blue with ubuntu :P
[03:44] <airox> Solatis: Go play the game! :P
[03:44] <fade3> yes airox, a mouse for my laptop
[03:44] <Solatis> haha
[03:44] <xamdm> chrissturm, https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingRemovableDevices here is described hoto log hal
[03:44] <movi> but now, they are like 20G Hard Drive : @0GB Media
[03:44] <Solatis> yes yes
[03:44] <fade3> well, u know...
[03:44] <movi> or 4.2G Hard Drive: 4.2GB Media
[03:44] <fade3> not 'mount'
[03:44] <Solatis> what's the apt package, airox ?
[03:44] <movi> whyyyy?????
[03:44] <fade3> its not picking up my mouse
[03:45] <lunitik> movi: any reason you said that in so many lines?
[03:45] <airox> Solatis: There is none i guess, but it should be very easy to install.
[03:45] <fade3> this is my first cup of linux and its a little weired
[03:45] <thoreauputic> fade3: usb mouse?
[03:45] <Solatis> airox: okies
[03:45] <BleSS> somebody knows some channel about dbus/hal?
[03:45] <fade3> yes
[03:45] <fade3> usb
[03:45] <movi> lunitik: not really
[03:45] <thoreauputic> fade3: hmm - dhould just work, as they say
[03:45] <thoreauputic> *should
[03:46] <Solatis> crap i have to register to a site to download ET
[03:46] <airox> hehe
[03:46] <fade3> hmmm...ok
[03:46] <lunitik> movi: then please don't... just use one line with correct punctuation... this is not an AIM chat room!
[03:46] <Solatis> anyone else has that too, that they really lost the urge to install something when you have to fill in all kind of forms ?
[03:46] <airox> Solatis: It's worth it.
[03:46] <fade3> sorry thorapeutic, its not usb
[03:46] <fade3> its jus a normal dumb ole mousye mouse
[03:47] <fade3> it shows that it has power
[03:47] <thoreauputic> fade3: did you have it plugged in while you were installing?
[03:47] <fade3> installing what?
[03:47] <fade3> the ubuntu os?
[03:47] <thoreauputic> the OS of course
[03:47] <fade3> ah...hmm..no
[03:47] <orospakr> man, has anyon else noticed that GNOME's Same Game looks ghastly now with that white grid and all?
[03:47] <membreya> gmail is a bit silly..once I log in it reverts to an unsecure webpage :|
[03:47] <fade3> is that bad?
[03:47] <thoreauputic> :(
[03:48] <fade3> uh oh..dont give me a sad face mate
[03:48] <thoreauputic> fade3: well, it just makes your life more difficult
[03:48] <vieirar> Nevermind looking on the site it says it doesn't but possible canidates are firestarter which I use on my Gentoo box so I will load it.
[03:48] <fade3> okay thorapeutic, hit me with it
[03:48] <Arago> hello
[03:49] <thoreauputic> fade3: it isn't magic - it probably would have recognised it during the install had it been connected
[03:49] <fade3> yes, I know
[03:49] <thoreauputic> fade3: is it a ps2 mouse?
[03:49] <fade3> yes
[03:49] <Arago> i have applications menu locked: i can't add nothing, via Nautilus or via dx mouse button. I'm using warty. Any idea ?
[03:49] <xamdm> thoreauputic, usb-mice works without problems when connected later ;-)
[03:50] <movi> lunatik: all netiquette problems aside, why is gnome doing this?
[03:50] <fade3> but its not usb xamdm
[03:50] <Solatis> airox: ok downloading :P
[03:50] <airox> Solatis: :)
[03:50] <xamdm> fade3, just joking a bit, maybe a reconfigre xserver-xfree86 will be enough
[03:51] <airox> Anybody knows where to enable netapplet /
[03:51] <airox> ?
[03:51] <fade3> huh? speak newby lanuage to me plaese
[03:51] <thoreauputic> fade3: add to /etc/modules , at the bottom on one line each;  mousedev  psmouse
[03:51] <motuline> weird..
[03:51] <motuline> it wont find firestarter
[03:51] <xamdm> fade3, just a second so that i get the complete command, thoreaputic do you know it ??
[03:52] <fade3> thoreauputic...how?????
[03:52] <thoreauputic> motuline: did you enable universe as I suggested, and reload?
[03:52] <thoreauputic> fade3:  sudo gedit /etc/modules  >> add the two lines >> save and exit
[03:53] <fade3> ok..will do now
[03:53] <thoreauputic> fade3: then reboot and hope
[03:53] <AndyR> i have just upgraded a warty install to hoary using the preview cd but i now see there are 173mb of updates to the preview of hoary
[03:54] <xamdm> fade3: maybe a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, ore xserver-xotg will help
[03:54] <thoreauputic> xamdm: yes, that's true
[03:54] <benjanet> AndyR, must be oppen office and others
[03:54] <Amaranth> AndyR: Yeah, until hoary is considered stable there will be lots of updates.
[03:54] <motuline> ill try enable couple more
[03:55] <thoreauputic> motuline: tick ALL the boxes
[03:55] <fade3> psmouse and mousedev are there already...but at the top of the file
[03:55] <Amaranth> Back if the first month or two of hoary downloading 200MB of updates a day seemed normal. :P
[03:55] <fade3> psmouse and mousedev are there already...but at the top of the file
[03:55] <fade3> psmouse and mousedev are there already...but at the top of the file
[03:55] <fade3> oops
[03:55] <AndyR> Amaranth, i know, ive been running hoary on other boxen for months
[03:55] <fade3> sorry
[03:55] <thoreauputic> fade3: OK that's good
[03:55] <motuline> jeje.. no it works <3
[03:55] <motuline> :))
[03:55] <xamdm> fade3, that sounds good, then try the dpkg-reconfigure...
[03:55] <fade3> so then why its not working?
[03:55] <thoreauputic> fade3: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure cserver-xfree86
[03:55] <thoreauputic> bah
[03:56] <thoreauputic> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[03:56] <xamdm> thoreauputic, typig to fast :-)
[03:56] <motuline> i can skip depencies with command like : dpkg -i --no-depencies package.deb
[03:56] <AndyR> thoreauputic, typing in the dark? :)
[03:56] <motuline> ?
[03:56] <travail101> what kernel patchset does ubuntu use?
[03:56] <travail101> do they roll their own?
[03:56] <thoreauputic> AndyR: I'm the world's worst typist
[03:56] <travail101> can i get it easily somewhere?
[03:56] <kaouete> or are they using the debian one ?
[03:56] <kaouete> :)
[03:56] <travail101> tambien
[03:56] <xamdm> thoreauputic, no, thats me ;-)
[03:56] <travail101> are they using the debian one?
[03:57] <thoreauputic> fade3: accept the deafaults, except the mouse
[03:57] <travail101> can anyone answer this question?
[03:57] <Lemonzest> anyone know if bunty can slow the processor speed? ie AMD C'n'Q and Inter Speed Steep
[03:57] <kaouete> :)
[03:57] <travail101> or suggest their own personal favorite kernel patch-set?
[03:57] <lunitik> travail101: they use there own...
[03:57] <membreya> Lemonzest: yes it does
[03:57] <membreya> it uses processor stepping
[03:57] <thoreauputic> fade3: try to pick the right mouse - ps2 or psaux or something like that
[03:57] <travail101> lunitik, know where I can get it/read about it?
[03:58] <fade3> thorapeutic: it says xserver not installed
[03:58] <membreya> ie my 2.2GHz AMD is currently running at 1GHz
[03:58] <fade3> thorapeutic: it says xserver not installed
[03:58] <fade3> :(
[03:58] <lunitik> travail101: umm... you have it... what exactly do you want to know about it?
[03:58] <lunitik> fade3: hoary?
[03:58] <thoreauputic> fade3: of course it' installed!
[03:58] <fade3> not hoary
[03:58] <fade3> warty
[03:58] <travail101> lunitik, I'm not using ubuntu, but i hear it runs pretty fast, I was wondering what's in the kernel, and if that had anything to do with it
[03:58] <thoreauputic> fade3:  cat /etc/issue  Output?
[03:59] <Solatis> airox: ... installing ... :)
[03:59] <travail101> lunitik, I'm tying to find a new kernel patch-set to claim
[03:59] <lunitik> travail101: its not the kernel... and the compile flags used only present the feel of faster apps...
[03:59] <motuline> if i install fglrx driver with synaptic package manager (fglrx drivers and utilities) does it work?
[04:00] <lunitik> travail101: they load faster in most cases, so the OS is deemed to actually be faster...
[04:00] <travail101> lunitik, where can I see the Ubuntu CFLAGS and CXXFLAGS then?
[04:00] <travail101> lunitik, does ubuntu prelink?
[04:01] <travail101> lunitik, oh and most importantly, do they use the same C(XX)FLAGS for all packages or does it depend on the package in question?
[04:01] <travail101> lunitik, is the becoming a question for #ubuntu-devel?
[04:02] <Arago> i have applications menu locked: i can't add nothing, by Nautilus or by dx mouse button. I'm using warty. Any idea ?
[04:03] <Solatis> airox: ... and connecting to a server :)
[04:03] <Solatis> wow, i'm amazed
[04:03] <Solatis> could it be that linux gaming is finally becoming mature ?
[04:03] <Solatis> everything works without crashing or anything
[04:04] <Thom_Holwerda> mmm anyone else having troubles with cmedia 8739 based soundcards?
[04:04] <Thom_Holwerda> 8738*
[04:10] <membreya> hope you're happy thoreauputic, gmailfs won't install for me :P
[04:10] <thoreauputic> membreya: I weep for you, my son ;)
[04:11] <membreya> I'm young enough to be :P
[04:11] <kutucape> hi all
[04:11] <dwa_> anybody here using a dual display setup?
[04:11] <membreya> dwa_: I've been using twinview :)
[04:12] <dwa_> ke :)
[04:12] <membreya> it works fine, except programs wanting to open on random displays :P
[04:12] <dwa_> i've got a question: if i place a program on my second display i don't it to appear on my panel on the first display
[04:13] <membreya> stretch the panel then
[04:13] <dwa_> tip membreya : the program opens on the display where your cursor is
[04:13] <dwa_> that's not what i mean, the panel has to be on display #1
[04:13] <membreya> oooh :)
[04:13] <membreya> hrm
[04:13] <dwa_> hehe :)
[04:14] <membreya> so you only want your gnome-panel to be on display #1, but you want to open programs without seeing them being open on panel 1?
[04:14] <membreya> erm display 1 even
[04:14] <dwa_> yes that's what i mean
[04:15] <membreya> just hide the panel dwa_ :P
[04:16] <dwa_> hehe
[04:16] <dwa_> that's not an option i think
[04:17] <motuline> xmms crashes when i try to play mp3:s
[04:17] <membreya> sure it is :P right click on the panel and select autohide :P
[04:17] <dwa_> but i don't know a way to install different panels for the 2 displays
[04:17] <dwa_> how do you manage your displays?
[04:18] <membreya> i don't, I just use twinview in xorg.conf
[04:18] <dwa_> motuline: start xmms and select a different output driver
[04:18] <motuline> ok
[04:18] <dwa_> rightclick xmms -> options -> preferences
[04:18] <motuline> i know
[04:19] <motuline> but now its crashed ^^..
[04:19] <dwa_> ok :)
[04:19] <motuline> need reboot i guess.. it wont go away :p
[04:19] <dwa_> strange
[04:19] <avigail> is there anyone here who can advise me on what desktop to use with ubuntu? kde or gnome?
[04:19] <dwa_> it crashes when you open it?
[04:19] <motuline> nope
[04:19] <dwa_> avigail : use gnome
[04:19] <dwa_> it's the default
[04:19] <motuline> when i click play
[04:19] <dwa_> start it first and then change the output driver
[04:20] <dwa_> then click play
[04:20] <travail101> avigail, what exaclty is it you're looking for? most of the Gnome vs KDE thing is just personal preference, install them both and decide for yourself
[04:20] <motuline> well.. it freezes
[04:20] <dwa_> mmm
[04:20] <motuline> xmms is still open but it is stuck
[04:20] <dwa_> even if you want to change the settings?
[04:20] <dwa_> ok
[04:20] <motuline> ill try reboot
[04:20] <dwa_> open a console and type: killall xmms
[04:21] <avigail> i did install them both, Kde looks nicer, however i feel that things got screwed up cos of kde, possible?
[04:21] <motuline> it worked
[04:21] <motuline> nice
[04:22] <travail101> avigail, I spose anything is possible... it may be that Ubuntu is geared towards Gnome, and that they haven't put a lot of work into getting KDE to play right
[04:23] <motuline> i think that ubuntus sounds block my soundcard.. becouse xmms says that its blocked
[04:25] <motuline> it says : Please Check That: Your soundcard if configured properly. (I thing it is because i can heard ubuntus sounds) You have the correct output plugin (alsa) no other program is blockin you soundcard.. i guess that some program is blocking it? :/
[04:25] <dwa_> have you tried the esd driver motuline ?
[04:26] <dwa_> it's called esound in xmms
[04:26] <motuline> je
[04:26] <motuline> it works
[04:26] <motuline> thx
[04:26] <motuline> im used to use alsa in fc
[04:26] <motuline> :)
[04:26] <xamdm> motuline, did jou try beep-media-player ??, its xmms in gtks...
[04:27] <chrissturm> or even better muine. that player rocks
[04:27] <dwa_> muine rules but you have to have a well organized music library
[04:28] <motuline> if some program is using esd can some program use alsa that i can use more than 1 sound device in the same time
[04:31] <CarinArr> what's the best way to stop x?
[04:31] <lunitik> CarinArr: /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[04:31] <dwa_> stop or restart?
[04:31] <CarinArr> stop completely, i need to install the nvidia drivers and they won't isntall while x is running
[04:31] <dwa_> motuline : that depends if you have hardware/software mixing enabled
[04:32] <jouke> #nederlands
[04:32] <superted> when is the last chance to submit translations?
[04:32] <CarinArr> weird.. i tried  /etc/init.d/gdm stop before and it didn't work.. seems to now though
[04:32] <CarinArr> must've done something weird the first time
[04:32] <CarinArr> thanks
[04:32] <lunitik> motuline: esd occupies /dev/dsp ... no other application can use /dev/dsp, so you must use esd for everything, or get no sound
[04:33] <lunitik> motuline: /dev/dsp = the sound device.
[04:33] <motuline> ok
[04:34] <motuline> ati drivers (fglrx) will work if i install them using synaptic package manager?
[04:34] <lunitik> motuline: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:34] <rotundo> can someone help me with sound in hoary?  Everything appears to be working fine, but I hear nothing....
[04:34] <movi> where in gnome 2.10 do i select what kind of things should appear on the desktop and what not (like Mounted drives, removable drives, SMB shares etc)
[04:35] <lunitik> rotundo: /etc/init.d/alsa restart
[04:36] <xamdm> rotundo, try alsamixer, sometimes everythings gets muted ..
[04:36] <kent> movi, system tools -> gconf (its not called gconf, its something like config editor or something. Its the red icon).
[04:37] <kent> movi, when you have started that program, go to Apps->Nautilus->Desktop
[04:37] <movi> kent: thank you
[04:38] <ikaro> hellas
[04:38] <rotundo> alsa restart says ok but I still hear nothing
[04:38] <rotundo> alsamixer looks good
[04:38] <thefish> is there a deb available for the nvidia drivers?
[04:38] <xamdm> rotundo, which soundcard are you using ??
[04:38] <Nermal> thefish, nvidia drivers are in universe I thin
[04:38] <Nermal> or multiverse
[04:38] <lunitik> thefish: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:39] <rotundo> VIA 8235
[04:39] <thefish> thanks
[04:39] <ogra> Nermal: restricted ;)
[04:39] <xamdm> thefish, just install restricted modules and nvidida-kernel-common and nvidia-glx, needs universe
[04:39] <thefish> i have just tried the live CD - very impressed!
[04:39] <Nermal> ogra, got there in the end :)
[04:39] <lunitik> rotundo: no idea then... upgrade from warty? seems to be an issue for a lot of people.
[04:39] <ogra> :)
[04:39] <xamdm> rotundo, everything connected ??
[04:40] <rotundo> Yeah it was an upgrade from warty.... worked ok at first and then it stopped working... - and yes everything is conencted I checked all that and the bios before coming here :)
[04:40] <xamdm> rotundo, cant't test have an other soundcard :-(
[04:41] <rotundo> if I go to the MM Sytems selector and choose alsa it says "Failed to construct test pipeline for 'ALSA - Advanced Linux Sound Architecture'"
[04:41] <xamdm> knows anyone a gnome-gui for lineakd ??
[04:42] <lunitik> rotundo: you want that to say esd
[04:42] <ssam> are post script file really dangerous? nautilus is warning to only open one if i know where it came from
[04:42] <rotundo> lunitik: thats what I thought... but since I was hearing nothing, I thought I would try
[04:42] <movi> how do i change the default application for filetypes like .png jpg and gif
[04:42] <lunitik> rotundo: enless you have a high end audio card, don't use alsa on its own.
[04:43] <jesus\> is there a way to upgrade the whole system?
[04:43] <jesus\> I started with hoary 3 weeks ago or so, but a lot is broken
[04:43] <jesus\> and downgrading would be stupid, it's almost going stable
[04:43] <xamdm> jesus\, apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:44] <occy> w00p
[04:44] <occy> running hoary
[04:44] <occy> heh
[04:44] <olu> whats the extra options in custom-expert instead of custom?
[04:44] <motuline> hmm.. synaptic package installers is kind of goood :)=
[04:44] <lunitik> occy: most have been for a while
[04:44] <occy> I got scared when I noticed pcmcia wasn't working before the reboot.
[04:44] <lunitik> olu: don't use it
[04:44] <occy> lunitik: Did that comment make you feel better?
[04:44] <olu> lunitik: why?
[04:44] <gangalino> I have a DVD+RW that shows up as a /dev/sr0 and is readonly, how do I get it to work as a CD-writer?
[04:45] <lunitik> occy: what?
[04:45] <airox> What do I need to do to start mail-notification in the gnome iconbar (correct word for it?)
[04:45] <lunitik> olu: confusing for most...
[04:45] <occy> lunitik: Go listen (read) the lyrics to an old Cure song.  "Jumping someone else's train".
[04:45] <Bubbling_Zombie> olu, you get a lot of extra options :)
[04:45] <olu> okey, will use custom then
[04:45] <occy> lunitik: "If you pick, up on it quick, you can say you were there..."
[04:45] <occy> lunitik: you can say you were there.
[04:46] <olu> Bubbling_Zombie: like what?
[04:46] <lunitik> occy: no thanks... I could give a fuck about cure... please explain your comment.
[04:46] <thefish> is there a frontend to xorg.conf like sax?
[04:46] <occy> lunitik: you were the dork that said "most have been for a while"  implying some sort of elite status.
[04:46] <Bubbling_Zombie> olu, have a look? don't recall it atm, but taking a look won't hurt ;)
[04:46] <occy> lunitik: if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it.
[04:46] <lunitik> occy: you were the one that thought it was cool to state "I'm using hoary"  :/
[04:47] <thefish> wow you are all cool
[04:47] <airox> wowie he is totally cool!
[04:47] <occy> lunitik: I am quite proud to be using it.
[04:47] <lunitik> occy: why?
[04:47] <occy> lunitik: I am a very happy and proud Ubuntu user.
[04:47] <xamdm> hey what are you guys doing ??, we are here to help eachother !!
[04:47] <thefish> i am proud of both of you
[04:47] <occy> lunitik: if you are not, then... perhaps you aren't using the right distro.
[04:48] <thefish> now, is there a nice gui frontend to zorg.conf? or do we have to edit it manually
[04:48] <lunitik> occy: huh? nice conclusion...
[04:48] <occy> lunitik: go troll somewhere else please.
[04:49] <lunitik> occy: I'm not trolling...
[04:49] <lunitik> occy: do me a favor... just don't address me, k?
[04:49] <Nermal> oooh.. occy *fame*
[04:49] <occy> Nermal: :P
[04:49] <LordGrunt> hello again
[04:49] <occy> Nermal: howdy to you :)
[04:49] <Bubbling_Zombie> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg <- thefish, something like that?
[04:49] <Nermal> occy, :)
[04:49] <airox> jesus_detached: When you detach remove that away thingie.
[04:50] <occy> lunitik: it would be my pleasure.
[04:50] <LordGrunt> any guesses why my sopund system is down after upgrade to hoary?
[04:50] <Nermal> occy, I used your frosted pipes jpeg for ages :P
[04:50] <LordGrunt> sound*
[04:50] <thefish> Bubbling_Zombie, something like that...
[04:50] <Bubbling_Zombie> that's the only one i know of, sorry :-/
[04:50] <thefish> like the old XFree86 one?
[04:50] <occy> Nermal: sweet.  Someone actually asked permission to use that on their bands cover art.  I was like, "Sure man, go for it!"
[04:50] <LordGrunt> in mc, under /dev there is dsp, but it has - beside
[04:51] <thefish> i used debian ages ago, so there are similarities i guess
[04:51] <Bubbling_Zombie> i do my editting manually, that's what you get when you start using slackware and switch to ubuntu afterwards :] 
[04:51] <ssam> movi, right click and go to properties
[04:51] <ssam> movi, then go to the open with tab
[04:52] <occy> Nermal: check:  occy.net/gallery/   There are some more pics there.
[04:53] <gangalino> any dvd-writer or cd-writer users with Warty out there?
[04:54] <Nermal> gangalino, use nautilus cd burner ?
[04:54] <szaz> NEED SOME NET CARD HELP...
[04:54] <Nermal> szaz, gl
[04:54] <airox> szaz: Sorry, say that again please.
[04:54] <szaz> I have an Allied Telesyn net card
[04:54] <gangalino> Nermal: I'm having problems getting my dvd+Rw to show up as a writable device
[04:55] <Nermal> ah :|
[04:55] <szaz> which apparently uses a Realtek chipset
[04:55] <thefish> how do you turn on/off services for booting?
[04:55] <thoreauputic> gangalino: yes >> http://people.debian.org/~goedson/packages/ubuntu/warty/gnomebaker/releases/i386/
[04:55] <airox> thefish: Remove the symlinks in /etc/rc2.d
[04:55] <szaz> There appears to be a driver available that might do the trick - ne2k_pci
[04:55] <thefish> bugger
[04:55] <szaz> However - I have no idea how to install it
[04:55] <Bubbling_Zombie> or make them non executable thefish
[04:55] <szaz> The card is not reacognised at install time
[04:56] <thefish> there is a cool way to do it in some other distros,`chkconfig --level 35 apache` for example
[04:56] <szaz> Can someone explain how to install the driver module - I assume it is present on the install CD
[04:56] <thefish> anything similar?
[04:57] <Nermal> szaz, boot with pci=noacpi noapic ?
[04:57] <Nermal> that driver will already be there.. modprobe ne2k_pci
[04:57] <IRCsloth> if I add a path to /etc/profile is there a way to 'rehash' my path in bash without re-logging in?
[04:58] <lunitik> thefish: there is rcconf which easy to use... apt-get install it... or update-rc.d ...
[04:58] <Nermal> IRCsloth, source /etc/profile ?
[04:58] <IRCsloth> thanks
[04:58] <Nermal> I think ;)
[04:58] <Nermal> best do an export just to check
[04:59] <szaz> how do I "boot with pci=noacpi noacpi?"
[04:59] <szaz> I'm basically a linux newbie
[05:00] <Nermal> argh
[05:00] <Nermal> thats like telling a hot date you have trouble getting it up
[05:00] <airox> szaz: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:00] <Nermal> it makes people immediately think "oh god.. this could take a while, and run for the hills"
[05:01] <szaz> hey man! I'm not THAT bad
[05:01] <Nermal> :)
[05:01] <szaz> tell me once - I won't need to ask again
[05:02] <Nermal> at the grub boot menu, hit "e" to edit the kernel line, add pci=noacpi noapic to the end then hit enter, and then "b" to boot it
[05:02] <szaz> cheers man
[05:02] <szaz> may I ask what that does?
[05:02] <Bubbling_Zombie> how are the new nvidia drivers for hoary?
[05:03] <Nermal> turns off acpi for pci irq routing and also disables the advanced programmable interrupt controller which can be buggy on some motherboards
[05:03] <Nermal> can cause hardware not to appear
[05:03] <Nermal> if that doesn't work
[05:04] <Nermal> try doing sudo modprobe ne2k_pci and then typing dmesg and seeing what it says at the bottom
[05:04] <szaz> ok..will do
[05:04] <szaz> you should be a teacher dude!
[05:05] <Nermal> don't have the patience,.. I would write "RTFM" on the board and walk out
[05:05] <Nermal> :)
[05:05] <szaz> ha!
[05:05] <thefish> lunitik, that sounds good, i will have to install though - i only have a liveCD
[05:06] <Nermal> szaz, I learnt the pci=noacpi trick when I worked for suse
[05:06] <Nermal> with early 2.6 kernels and late 2.4 ones it solved a lot of hardware issues
[05:06] <midget> hi
[05:06] <Nermal> midget, tried damn small linux ?
[05:06] <Nermal> sorry, too much coffee :\
[05:07] <midget> u guessed im small lol
[05:07] <membreya> hey Nermal :)
[05:07] <Nermal> lo membreya :)_
[05:07] <membreya> bit of drool there buddy?
[05:07] <thefish> Nermal, from nermal.org?
[05:07] <Echylo> hey membreya :-)
[05:07] <Nermal> uhhh... yes ?
[05:07] <midget> hi mebreya
[05:07] <thefish> thought you were still with suse
[05:08] <thefish> nice site btw
[05:08] <midget> hello does any one talk to me
[05:08] <Nermal> nah.. I worked there on my year out from uni, and left in september 2003 and they got bought up in november.  Worked for them over xmas and easter at the new novell building, but didn't get a employed when I left uni
[05:08] <midget> hi bubbling zombie
[05:08] <thefish> k
[05:08] <Nermal> thefish, working on a beta atm :)
[05:08] <midget> coo
[05:08] <Bubbling_Zombie> 'llo
[05:09] <thefish> ok, /me didnt get beta :'(
[05:09] <midget> lol
[05:09] <thefish> so you helping with suse and ubuntu?
[05:09] <midget> any one like splintercell?
[05:09] <midget> pandors tommorow
[05:10] <midget> *pandora*
[05:10] <Nermal> thefish, uh.. well.. I help out in both on irc ;)
[05:10] <thefish> ;)
[05:10] <Nermal> I'm also in the SUSE 9 bible that's just come out :)
[05:10] <thefish> kewl, help writing?
[05:10] <midget> anyone like scpt
[05:10] <Bubbling_Zombie> midget, crashes like hell on my windows box :p
[05:10] <midget> :p
[05:11] <Nermal> not quite, did some technical editing
[05:11] <membreya> oh, you're an oracle..you can help me with my problem then :P
[05:11] <thefish> nice
[05:11] <thefish> ive just checked out ubuntu for the first time today - got the live disk
[05:11] <thefish> very sexy
[05:12] <dazed> hey wahts a good partitioner...i got partition magic but the demo wont let me save any changes?
[05:12] <midget> bubbling zombie just spilled crap over ma monatoe lol
[05:12] <midget> *monitor*
[05:12] <Nermal> thefish, warty or hoary ?
[05:12] <midget> lol
[05:12] <Nermal> dazed, gparted :P
[05:12] <Echylo> hmm
[05:12] <Bubbling_Zombie> lol :p
[05:12] <membreya> cmon nermal..help me :P
[05:12] <Bubbling_Zombie> happens here allt he time
[05:12] <Echylo> anyone recognizes this game? http://saphatorael.250free.com/Quizachtigding.jpg
[05:12] <Bubbling_Zombie> oh well
[05:13] <Nermal> membreya, ?
[05:13] <midget> no i dont?
[05:13] <garrut> doe anyone here have a good alternative for gkrellm?
[05:13] <dazed> Nermal: just google for it?
[05:13] <Nermal> garrut, gdesklets ?
[05:13] <Bubbling_Zombie> <- afk
[05:13] <thefish> Nermal, hoary i think 5.X
[05:13] <thefish> the beta-ish one with gnome .10
[05:13] <xamdm> dazed, qtparted ore gparted ;-)
[05:13] <thefish> hehehe
[05:14] <membreya> Nermal: running kernel 2.6.11 and trying to install the latest nvidia drivers, but its giving me the error message of kernel-source not found
[05:14] <garrut> nermal, i usually can't get gdesklets to work the way i want to :)
[05:14] <dazed> thefish: so do are u liking the ubuntu life?
[05:14] <Nermal> membreya, install the kernel source ? :)
[05:14] <thefish> dazed, so far it seems nice
[05:14] <midget> yo szaz
[05:14] <thefish> i will install it on a test box tonight i think
[05:14] <szaz> apologies - I just had a ****ing power cut
[05:14] <membreya> I currently have linux-doc-2.6.11, linux-headers-2.6.11-1-amd64-k8, linux-source-2.6.11, linux-tree-2.6.11, linux-image-2.6.11-1-amd64-k8, linux-patch-ubuntu-2.6.11 all installed
[05:14] <szaz> ridiculous
[05:14] <midget> lots o people joining lol
[05:15] <Nermal> membreya, right.. one sec
[05:15] <vixus> Help me... this is an emergency.
[05:15] <thefish> ye, you need to be on the ball to keep up
[05:15] <midget> anyone played fifa street??????????????????
[05:15] <airox> Well.. the number off people over here is definitely increasing :)
[05:15] <dazed> i completely switched over to ubu on my pc and im tri-booting my laptop haha
[05:15] <Echy|study> almost exams
[05:15] <blueturtle> heya
[05:15] <Echy|study> damned
[05:15] <Nermal> membreya, you won't need the linux-source for compiling kernel modules against, just the headers
[05:15] <szaz> nermal - what did I have to type in GRUB
[05:15] <thefish> dazed, i run suse on my laptop, and its sweet - but im liking ubuntu
[05:15] <Nermal> so remove the the kernel source for simplicy
[05:15] <vixus> Since my botched upgrade to hoary yesterday GDM won't work (as nVidia is broken
[05:15] <szaz> pci=noacpi noacpi
[05:15] <airox> Echy|study: There is a /away function in irc :)
[05:15] <membreya> that's what I thought, but I wanted to be sure
[05:16] <vixus> Also, I can no longer boot to WinXP
[05:16] <Nermal> at the grub boot menu, hit "e" to edit the kernel line, add pci=noacpi noapic to the end then hit enter, and then "b" to boot it
[05:16] <Echy|study> I know
[05:16] <Echy|study> I prefer this
[05:16] <airox> Use it.
[05:16] <szaz> cheers man
[05:16] <vixus> Help me please.
[05:16] <Echylo> better?
[05:16] <blueturtle> thefish - suse is ok, but i really prefer gnome to kde :/
[05:16] <vixus> Anyone at all.
[05:16] <thefish> vixus, nvidia will break with kernel upgrades
[05:16] <airox> Echylo: damn you :P
[05:16] <Nermal> membreya, basically the kernel-headers have to match the kernel given when you do uname -a
[05:16] <vixus> thefish: How do I fix this problem?
[05:16] <Echylo> what?
[05:16] <dazed> thefish: yeah i tried suse first and switched to ubu after just testing it out for a day
[05:16] <thefish> blueturtle, me too definately
[05:16] <vixus> I need to fix this somehow.
[05:16] <garrut> vixus, reinstall nvidia drivers
[05:16] <vixus> How do I get GDM back?
[05:16] <vixus> oh
[05:16] <airox> Echylo: Imagine everyone shouting his or her status over here...
[05:17] <dazed> i have slax on the lap and winblows and im putting ubu on today
[05:17] <Echylo> hungry!
[05:17] <thefish> vixus, you should be able to reinstall the nvidia driver
[05:17] <vixus> garrut: I need the command-line as I have no access to the internet
[05:17] <Echylo> thirsty
[05:17] <Echylo> bored!
[05:17] <Echylo> yea that would be irritating
[05:17] <vixus> garrut: Or rather, what to apt-get
[05:17] <Nermal> behold the irc /ignore command :)
[05:17] <membreya> kernel headers are for amd-k8 2.6.11 ...and uname -a gives 2.6.11-1-amd64-k8
[05:17] <Nermal> hum
[05:17] <airox> Nermal: I don't want to ignore Echylo :)
[05:17] <garrut> vixus, just run the nvidia installer
[05:17] <vixus> garrut: ...How do I get it?
[05:17] <Echylo> ... any
[05:18] <vixus> dir
[05:18] <Echylo> nvm bye
[05:18] <thefish> there are some really sweet things on suse that i will need to discover on ubu tho - chkconfig, rcSERVICE {start|stop|status} etc
[05:18] <garrut> from nvidia.com?
[05:18] <vixus> doesn't show anything.
[05:18] <Nermal> membreya, apt-get install kernel-headers-2.6-amd64-k8
[05:18] <vixus> garrut: I can't get onto the net... I'm stuck on command line here.
[05:18] <thefish> maybe you have it on your computer already: `find / -name *nvidia*`
[05:18] <Nermal> membreya, but remove the kernel source first
[05:18] <dazed> btw guys i need a partitioner for windows...lol...cuz whenever i try to partition on any platform other then blows it says my windows has been improperly shutdown cannot do anything
[05:18] <Nermal> and check the symlink in /usr/src
[05:18] <vixus> thefish: Ok, but I'll have to exit irssi, no?
[05:18] <blueturtle> dazed : to partition your hard drive is it?
[05:19] <thefish> no
[05:19] <vixus> thefish: =o do tell.
[05:19] <cocacola> OMGLOL GOTHS
[05:19] <thefish> vixus, just run on another console
[05:19] <vixus> thefish: How?
[05:19] <dazed> blueturtle: ye
[05:19] <dazed> s
[05:19] <Nermal> vixus, apt-get install nvidia-glx ?
[05:19] <vixus> thefish: I am newish to linux, sorry.
[05:19] <membreya> so take out source and tree Nermal ?
[05:19] <Nermal> the archives will be in /var/apt/cache
[05:19] <vixus> Nermal: I think that's it!
[05:19] <Nermal> membreya, yes
[05:19] <blueturtle> dazed : http://www.sysresccd.org/    If you burn that to a CD, and run the CD when you boot up, it will help you
[05:19] <thefish> vixus, im new to ubu - so forgive if i get it a bit wrong
[05:19] <vixus> thefish: No problem.
[05:20] <blueturtle> it contains a program called qt_parted, a clone of Partition Magic that makes it easy to partition hard drives
[05:20] <membreya> Nermal: it's adding old headers as well :|
[05:20] <dazed> blueturtle...i have 1000's of live discs
[05:20] <vixus> thefish: Just tell me how to get into another console :o
[05:20] <dazed> lol
[05:20] <Nermal> membreya, :|
[05:20] <thefish> vixus, you should be able to get other terminals with CTRL+ALT+F1 or F2 or F3 etc
[05:20] <dazed> i just want to know a good FREE partitioner for windows
[05:20] <Nermal> vixus, alt-F<number>
[05:20] <blueturtle> it's not a live cd
[05:20] <Nermal> dazed, good luck..
[05:20] <vixus> cool
[05:20] <thefish> vixus, then to get back, just CTRL+ALT+F7 for graphical, F1? for text
[05:20] <membreya> Nermal: it's grabbing kernel-headers-2.6-amd64-k8 kernel-headers-2.6.8-9
[05:20] <membreya>   kernel-headers-2.6.8-9-amd64-k8 kernel-kbuild-2.6-3
[05:20] <membreya>  as well
[05:20] <blueturtle> it contains a number of tools, one of which is qt_parted,, which will do what you want
[05:20] <dazed> Nermal: lol i know
[05:21] <dazed> stupid windows everything costs money
[05:21] <thefish> whoa busy channel
[05:21] <thefish> hehe
[05:21] <Nermal> membreya, I think  kernel-headers-2.6-amd64-k8 is a virtual package that just links to the latest version
[05:21] <membreya> very thefish :)
[05:21] <vixus> Nermal: I think it's done... should I press something now? ^^
[05:21] <membreya> ok :) will try at the next ad (dilbert is on with tvtime :P)
[05:21] <Nermal> bear in mind I've only been using ubuntu for a few months
[05:21] <vixus> thefish: Thanks
[05:21] <blueturtle> i was able to partition Windows fine with that SystemRescueCD
[05:21] <thefish> vixus, noproblemo - glad to help
[05:22] <dazed> Blueturtle: i have slackware on this laptop with qtparted i have a knoppix live disc with qtparted i have a ubu disc with a partition manager...i need one for windows cuz when ever i try to partition on another platform it says my windows has been improperly shutdown and cannot continue....trust me i know what i need :)
[05:22] <midget> im back
[05:22] <Nermal> yay!
[05:22] <midget> ???
[05:23] <midget> yo lano
[05:23] <blueturtle> strange
[05:23] <Lano> yo
[05:23] <midget> whats strange?
[05:23] <dazed> not strange...considering windows SUCKS
[05:23] <midget> lol
[05:23] <blueturtle> have you tried defragmenting the drive ?
[05:23] <dazed> i expect nothing less then silly errors like that
[05:23] <Nermal> dazed, so use the whole fscking hdd
[05:24] <blueturtle> i had to defrag before partitioning
[05:24] <dazed> i defragment once a month
[05:24] <blueturtle> hmm
[05:24] <midget> get spywere
[05:24] <dazed> lol but i need windows for stupid school stuff
[05:24] <midget> lol
[05:24] <Nermal> "it's that time of the month again" :P
[05:24] <airox> Would be wonderfull to see windows xp live cd's :P
[05:24] <Nermal> dazed, like what ?
[05:24] <gangalino> anyone had problems getting Totem to run? whenever I launch it, I get "Totem could not startup. Failed to create a GStreamer play object."
[05:25] <Nermal> gangalino, tried running gst-register ?
[05:25] <midget> press ctrl+alt and delete
[05:25] <dazed> Nermal: im in a computer class which is strictly Microsoft office related...and i have lots of projects to do on it
[05:25] <membreya> Nermal: ..if you weren't a dude I would kiss you!
[05:25] <Nermal> airox, we have winxp dead cds - they're called linux installation cds
[05:25] <gangalino> Nermal: no, what does that do?
[05:25] <thefish> dazed, are you on an MS office course?
[05:25] <vixus> Nope
[05:25] <vixus> didn't work.
[05:26] <vixus> X still won't start
[05:26] <blueturtle> mneh, office
[05:26] <Nermal> gangalino, rebuilds the gst registry - finds all the gstreamer plugins basically
[05:26] <dazed> thefish: yes
[05:26] <vixus> This sucks ;_;
[05:26] <Nermal> I _think_
[05:26] <Lano> ok, question: what is easiest way /apt get? to upgrade to Hoary Hedgehog
[05:26] <Nermal> dazed, openoffice
[05:26] <dazed> if they had an open office course id so bee in that
[05:26] <dazed> lol
[05:26] <membreya> hmm amd64 3200, 512mb DDR400, geforcemx4000...and I get 450fps on glxgears :P
[05:26] <vixus> thefish: Help!
[05:26] <dazed> does open office have exactly everything that MS Office does?
[05:26] <gangalino> Nermal: where is the command?
[05:26] <thefish> vixus, whats happening?
[05:27] <Nermal> Lano, switch warty to hoary on every line in /etc/apt/sources.list and then do an apt-get update
[05:27] <vixus> thefish: X won't start...
[05:27] <thefish> vixus, did you run that command
[05:27] <thefish> ?
[05:27] <Nermal> do the dist-upgrade with aptitude though
[05:27] <vixus> thefish: and I can't view output, cause it asks for ubuntu login
[05:27] <dazed> and i also write webpages on dreamweaver and i know this is silly but im too lazy to write code by hand does open office have a html editor?
[05:27] <vixus> thefish: Which command?
[05:27] <Nermal> dazed, no.. it doesn't have clippy or half the bugs
[05:27] <Lano> Nermal: I'll try
[05:27] <blueturtle> dazed : as far as i can see, yes. it can also read and create MS Word documents
[05:27] <thefish> vixus, are you logged into the box now?
[05:27] <Nermal> dazed, install nvu - nvu.com
[05:27] <vixus> Yes
[05:27] <dazed> Nermal: lol but i NEED CLIPPY
[05:27] <blueturtle> impress can read / create Powerpoint too
[05:27] <motuline> wtf.. there is microsoft in firestarter hit list :D
[05:28] <thefish> vixus, and you have a login screen?
[05:28] <vixus> thefish: Text-only...
[05:28] <vixus> thefish: I am on irssi.
[05:28] <thefish> vixus, thats fine... log in
[05:28] <dazed> blueturtle: its not that i need to turn in MS word documents...we actually do live projects in the class thats why its on my laptop
[05:28] <vixus> thefish: I am logged in..
[05:28] <blueturtle> a pity
[05:28] <membreya> thankyou again Nermal ...it works perfectly now :)
[05:28] <vixus> thefish: Text-based irc client
[05:28] <Nermal> membreya, np
[05:28] <thefish> aah
[05:28] <vixus> thefish: Thank god for it.
[05:28] <Nermal> membreya, it should keep the headers up to date too
[05:28] <vixus> thefish: What do I do?
[05:29] <vixus> :(
[05:29] <membreya> except what seems to be a low fps with glxgears :)
[05:29] <thefish> vixus, you must look for the nvidia installer again: find / -name *nvidia*
[05:29] <blueturtle> dazed : openoffice does have a html editor but i'd imagine it has some work to do before being up with the likes of Dreamweaver
[05:29] <dazed> 6.2 gigs enough for an ubu installl?
[05:29] <dazed> lol yeah i just love dreamweaver
[05:29] <membreya> dazed: 6.2 is excessive :P
[05:29] <dazed> been working on it since i was like 10
[05:29] <blueturtle> it is handy alright for the initial design phase
[05:29] <membreya> so about 2 years dazed ? :P
[05:29] <thefish> vixus, once you find it (it will probably end in .sh) type in the filename here
[05:29] <dazed> membreya: lol how much u think i should use?>
[05:29] <blueturtle> but it's not a good enough code editor for server side scripting..
[05:30] <dazed> hahah well 8
[05:30] <vixus> thefish: LonglLong lis of stuff
[05:30] <Nermal> membreya, if you install  kernel-image-2.6-amd64-k8 (another virtual package) it should keep your kernel in sync with your headers too
[05:30] <vixus> thefish: And an X window just opened up, anoyingly.
[05:30] <vixus> thefish: Not an X window... an X message.
[05:30] <thefish> an x message?
[05:30] <dazed> can i defrag from knoppix live blueturtle?
[05:30] <membreya> dazed: my install is 2.2gb
[05:30] <Nermal> vixus, sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[05:30] <blueturtle> umm, not sure
[05:30] <vixus> thefish: Yeah, but it disappeared.
[05:31] <gangalino> Nermal: I don't have gst-register
[05:31] <vixus> Nermal: Didn't work.
[05:31] <Nermal> gangalino, hum
[05:31] <cowbud> uhh defragging is for the birds..
[05:31] <vixus> Nermal: I did that.
[05:31] <Nermal> vixus, and the error message is ?
[05:31] <dazed> yeah but the rest of my HD is ntfs membreya not ext3
[05:31] <thefish> vixus, check out what Nermal just said
[05:31] <Nermal> and the X logs are where ?
[05:31] <thefish> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[05:31] <dazed> well another 10 has slax on it
[05:31] <dazed> but
[05:31] <dazed> thats seperate
[05:31] <vixus> Nermal: Some error about Mozilla Firefox, but that was happening before
[05:31] <Nermal> BE MORE SPECIFIC
[05:31] <membreya> dazed: /dev/sda3             4.7G  2.2G  2.6G  46% /
[05:31] <membreya> /dev/sda6              87G   49G   39G  56% /media/downloads
[05:31] <membreya> /dev/sda1              21G  6.3G   14G  32% /media/temp
[05:31] <kaouete> to upgrade from warty to hoary is the same than installing hoary directly ? is there little differences that are done at install ?
[05:31] <membreya> :)
[05:32] <Nermal> "houston we have a problem" "go ahead aquarius" "oh.. some error about an oxygen tank..."
[05:32] <membreya> gotta get me another 200gb SATA tho :(
[05:32] <Lano> Nermal: can you help me just a bit...I changed warty to hoary...now what?:)
[05:32] <Nermal> Lano, now do an apt-get update
[05:32] <Nermal> then do aptitude dist-upgrade
[05:32] <Nermal> with sudo in front
[05:32] <dazed> membreya: well see you did it the right way...lol u partitioned out exactly what u need for install and then partitioned out other parts for your downloads and such
[05:32] <dazed> im too lazy to do all that
[05:32] <blueturtle> i have yet to play around with a live CD, i have my final exams in a month or so :P
[05:32] <Nermal> 30 mins till I can go home :)
[05:32] <szaz> back...
[05:33] <cowbud> a month
[05:33] <cowbud> blah mine are today and I am still fucking around on irc
[05:33] <vixus> Nermal: I can't be more specific... I wish I could copy and paste.
[05:33] <szaz> Nermal: adding the line to GRUB does not appear to have helped
[05:33] <membreya> dazed: my / and downloads are reiserfs, my temp mount is ntfs...going to make my new 200gb entirely reiserfs for downloads
[05:33] <dazed> lol i irc'd throug 2 midterms couple weeks ago
[05:33] <krischan> Greetings.
[05:33] <blueturtle> i know, my project isn't even finished and i have 30 odd pages of writing to do. What do I do? Come here.
[05:33] <szaz> still no sign of the net card
[05:33] <Nermal> szaz, tried the modprobe ?
[05:33] <thefish> vixus, did you run that command?
[05:33] <Nermal> do lspci as well
[05:33] <dazed> membreya: reiserfs?
[05:33] <szaz> I assume it would ba available as an option in Desktop/Admin/Networking?
[05:33] <Nermal> see what it says for the net card
[05:34] <Nermal> szaz, something like 0000:02:08.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corp. 82801BA/BAM/CA/CAM Ethernet Controller (rev 03)
[05:34] <szaz> nope not tried modprobe - lost power to the computer before I wrote it down
[05:34] <titoxx69> hi
[05:34] <Nermal> ah..
[05:34] <membreya> different type of fs dazed, allows journalling but it access faster (mainly designed for large files)
[05:34] <Nermal> do lspci first
[05:34] <szaz> lspci?
[05:34] <krischan> I'd like to know how I can install alternate mouse cursor themes? I know I have to copy them somewhere in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/..., but I don't know further.
[05:34] <Nermal> and maybe a dmesg |grep -i eth0
[05:34] <vixus> thefish / Nermal: I did some cleaning... and tried apt-get install nvidia-glx again
[05:34] <vixus> it seems to be going somewhere
[05:34] <vixus> in fact, its done!
[05:34] <Nermal> krischan, easy way - apt-get install gcursor
[05:35] <dazed> membreya: ohh ok...gotcha
[05:35] <thefish> vixus, groovy
[05:35] <vixus> thefish: How do I go graphical again?
[05:35] <Nermal> gives you a little tool in the gnome preferences menu to do it :)
[05:35] <kotatsu> is kickstart planned to work in hoary? all I've found is a month old wiki page that says it's not available yet
[05:35] <thefish> vixus, there is a quicker way, but i dont know it - reboot
[05:35] <Nermal> vixus, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart ?
[05:35] <thefish> vixus, i suppose you could try: startx
[05:35] <membreya> dazed: http://www.namesys.com/v4/v4.html
[05:36] <szaz> back in 10 - I hate sharing one monitor with 2 machines
[05:36] <krischan> Nermal: Thank you very much!
[05:36] <dazed> god i wish i didnt have to goto psychology today
[05:36] <dazed> i want to make otday a compputer day
[05:36] <dwa_> then don't go
[05:36] <dwa_> easy as pie
[05:36] <dazed> qui
[05:36] <dazed> z
[05:36] <dwa_> so?
[05:36] <membreya> dazed: do your thesis on computers and the impact on social interaction :)
[05:36] <dazed> then test on wednesday
[05:36] <dazed> i gots to go
[05:36] <dazed> its ok after psychology im done
[05:36] <szaz> lspci
[05:37] <thefish> Nermal, is nvidia-glx an nvidia installer?
[05:37] <dwa_> look at it from the bright side: you get some fresh air
[05:37] <dazed> lol membreya: more specifically the lifestyle of linu
[05:37] <Nermal> szaz, look for the ethernet card
[05:37] <dazed> x
[05:37] <dazed> lol dwa_
[05:37] <membreya> :P
[05:37] <blueturtle> fantastic
[05:37] <blueturtle> :)
[05:37] <Nermal> thefish, half of it.. nvidia-glx are the x libs, nvidia-kernel is the kernel module
[05:37] <Nermal> but they should depend on one another
[05:37] <motuline> argh.. opera crashes when i try to play java games etc..
[05:37] <membreya> hmmm does nvidia have a control panel for gnome ?
[05:37] <thefish> Nermal, does nvidia-kernel depend on kernel source?
[05:37] <vixus> Nermal: Nope.
[05:38] <Nermal> membreya, yeah .. a gtk2 one
[05:38] <vixus> thefish: No luck =(
[05:38] <membreya> whats the command? :P
[05:38] <thefish> vixus, what error did you get?
[05:38] <vixus> thefish: X still returns an error, but doesn't say what it is
[05:38] <Nermal> thefish, no.. but you will need the kernel-headers for your running kernel to compile the module
[05:38] <zenrox> membreya, nvidia-settings
[05:38] <vixus> thefish: It gives me an X 'about' message
[05:38] <Nermal> vixus, what does lsmod |grep nvidia give you ?
[05:38] <membreya> omg!
[05:38] <membreya> it works!
[05:38] <zenrox> lol
[05:38] <membreya> thankyou zenrox :)
[05:38] <zenrox> n/p
[05:38] <Nermal> :)
[05:39] <dazed> membreya: that reiser4 file system seems to be like GOD LIKE
[05:39] <dazed> lol
[05:39] <vixus> Nermal: nvidia     3570556 0
[05:39] <Nermal> vixus, ok.. that means the driver module is loaded.. which is good
[05:39] <vixus> Nermal: Oh joy =D
[05:39] <membreya> urgh, cursor shadow is ugly
[05:39] <vixus> Nermal: Now why won't X start ^^
[05:39] <Nermal> you really need to try getting apt-get install nvidia-glx working
[05:39] <membreya> dazed: it's good..there's some stories about corruption with it ..but that's with everything :P
[05:39] <vixus> Nermal: It did work.
[05:39] <Nermal> hum..
[05:40] <membreya> cursor shadow reminds me of XP :|
[05:40] <Nermal> and sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart  did what ?
[05:40] <vixus> Nermal: Screen flashed a couple of times, then an X error message.
[05:40] <Nermal> vixus, you could just try startx
[05:40] <Nermal> I'll need the error message :|
[05:40] <vixus> Nermal: I asked to view the error, it gave me an about screen.
[05:41] <membreya> vixus: press the down key :P
[05:41] <vixus> Startx does same thing, nermal.
[05:41] <vixus> membreya: Oh... lol
[05:41] <membreya> or check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[05:41] <vixus> Nermal: Failed to load module GLcore, module does not exist.
[05:41] <membreya> woohoo, adam is retaining "stuff"
[05:42] <Nermal> vixus, hum... interesting..
[05:42] <vixus> Nermal: Fatal IO error 104
[05:42] <krischan> Nermal: I have to ask more specifically: the mouse cursor theme (any) doesn't become active, even after restarting X. What do I miss?
[05:43] <Nermal> vixus, that should be part of nvidia-glx :|
[05:43] <thefish> vixus, have you installed nvidia-kernel as well
[05:43] <Nermal> thefish, yeah he has, and the module is loaded
[05:43] <vixus> thefish: Nope.
[05:43] <thefish> whats that about window opening?
[05:44] <vixus> thefish: Should I?
[05:44] <Nermal> vixus, you have ffs
[05:44] <Nermal> I just told you that
[05:44] <vixus> thefish: That was an error message.
[05:44] <thefish> vixus, apparently it would already be installed
[05:44] <foznot> i am trying to install RealPlayer10GOLD, does this have to be installed in my home directory as root?
[05:44] <vixus> Nermal: ffs?
[05:44] <Nermal> I remember when it was ~600k
[05:44] <Nermal> those were the days
[05:44] <thefish> aaah
[05:45] <Nermal> IN MY DAY.... a tablet pc was made of wax
[05:45] <Nermal> and you had to scribe the words on with a _stylus_
[05:45] <zenrox> lol
[05:45] <thefish> BAH in MY day, we carried round rolls of holey paper, not these new-fangled usb thingys
[05:45] <Nermal> definately too much coffee 8|
[05:45] <dazed> nermal: OH GOD YOUR OLD
[05:46] <Nermal> that may be, but I'm damn good in bed
[05:46] <thefish> HAHAHAHA
[05:46] <membreya> so not a necessary comment Nermal :P
[05:46] <dazed> i still remember my first computer...i was like 6 when my pops brought it home from the office it was this pentium 75 mhz amazing god of a machine
[05:46] <vixus> Nermal: AHA! I had to run sudo nvidia-glx--config enable
[05:47] <blueturtle> lol, why is that poor man using a commercial irc clinet
[05:47] <blueturtle> client.
[05:47] <Nermal> vixus, hey, well done matey :)
[05:47] <dazed> and it worked up until the day i ripped it apart
[05:47] <Nermal> I bought an 8088 laptop :)
[05:47] <cowbud> wow 75 mhz
[05:47] <vixus> Nermal: Don't cheer just yet... I gotta try it!
[05:47] <membreya> dazed: ...how old are you :|
[05:47] <thefish> vixus, so its working now?
[05:47] <zenrox> my first box was a ibm aptiva c65 166mhz 32mbs of ram
[05:47] <Nermal> vixus, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[05:47] <Lano> damn I'm old...
[05:47] <zenrox> 2.1gig drive
[05:47] <dazed> im 18
[05:47] <dazed> but the computer was much older
[05:47] <dazed> it was a throw out at my dads work
[05:47] <membreya> my first computer was an old sharp computer with a tape drive and built in dot matrix printer
[05:47] <Nermal> my first machine was something that ran the FLEX operating system
[05:48] <membreya> then my amiga 500...512k ram!
[05:48] <dazed> lol membreya i played on one of those
[05:48] <Nermal> then an 8086 with a broken winchester drive... a 360k floppy to boot it, one to run qbasic, one for my program, and one for qbasic help if needed
[05:48] <membreya> in the museum? damn kids :|
[05:48] <dazed> FLEX huh
[05:48] <zenrox> the best machine i ever used was comadore 128
[05:48] <membreya> my first ibm clone was an 80286 8mhz
[05:48] <dazed> Nermal: lol qbasic is da shit
[05:48] <vixus> Nermal: nope.
[05:48] <dazed> if everything could just go back to the basics
[05:48] <zenrox> qbasic rocked
[05:48] <Nermal> damn 32 bit machines.. my abacus had at least 64 beads
[05:49] <vixus> Nermal: Same GLcore error.
[05:49] <bretzel>  membreya: hehehe, I had a Amiga 1000 before 500.... We had to put the "kickstart" floppy!!!
[05:49] <Nermal> aye.. halo has nothing on qbasic gorillas
[05:49] <dazed> zenrox: much truth to that
[05:49] <Nermal> and on low gravity mode, it owned
[05:49] <Nermal> vixus, hum
[05:49] <membreya> this room is getting too sentimentel :P
[05:49] <koppor> Hi! - I'm just trying to install ubuntu. I've got a warning of "ttf-arphic-bsmi00lp": Fontconfig error: cannot load default config file - should I submit a bug-report?
[05:49] <dazed> ROFL Nermal...
[05:49] <Nermal> glcore is provided by nvidia-glx I think
[05:49] <vixus> Nermal: Should I......... REBOOT?!! XD
[05:49] <dazed> i have actually played that
[05:49] <zenrox> dazed,  had to learn programing in high school in dos 3.1
[05:49] <Nermal> vixus, if it gets you off the channel for a few minutes ;)
[05:50] <vixus> Nermal: I followed all the instructions--- can you see ubuntuguide?
[05:50] <Jesterace> heh my highschool programming was turbo pascal :P
[05:50] <koen> hello
[05:50] <vixus> Nermal: I can't.
[05:50] <dazed> see when i was in highschool i learned my first programming class on qbasic
[05:50] <dazed> lol
[05:50] <koen> is anyone here running steam on ubuntu ?
[05:50] <Nermal> vixus, umm.. I guess you could try sudo updatedb
[05:50] <zenrox> i still have my book too just casue i took the last year of it
[05:50] <Nermal> then locate glcore
[05:50] <vixus> Nermal: Ok....
[05:50] <Nermal> koen, I'm trying visa versa
[05:51] <koen> nermal, want do you mean ? :)
[05:51] <dazed> yeah but how many of you can actually say your still on 56k or even worse 56k shared 3 comps
[05:51] <dazed> lol
[05:51] <dazed> I CAN
[05:51] <blueturtle> koen i'd say a few people are running it using cedega, it's something i'd like to get running myself
[05:51] <johso> Nermal: You're trying to run Ubuntu on Steam? :O
[05:51] <occy> zenrox: you here?
[05:51] <johso> so cool :P
[05:51] <Xappe> wonder if I can get my Zenith DOS laptop frpm the late '80s to run any form of linux :)
[05:51] <Nermal> dazed, I have a 14,400 modem with "this device is PROHIBITED from connection to any BT line" sticker on the bottom of it
[05:51] <koen> johso, lol :)
[05:51] <dazed> ROFL Nermal
[05:51] <dazed> yes!
[05:52] <Nermal> it worked fine though
[05:52] <occy> Nermal: know much about skype and hoary?
[05:52] <vixus> Nermal: No output except an ntfs error
[05:52] <johso> drop the powercables, Nermal is using steam engines :P
[05:52] <olu> would ubuntu work good as a samba/ftp server and a torrent/dc downloader?
[05:52] <zenrox> occy,  yep
[05:52] <Nermal> I remember wrapping it in a pillow and sitting on it to muffle the sound of it dialing compuserve at 5am so my father wouldn't hear :P
[05:52] <occy> zenrox: there you are ;)
[05:52] <dazed> i still have a old ass compaq laptop where it looks like an OVER SIZED old school electronic day planner with completely blue and white screen
[05:52] <koen> but does anybody knows the minimal specs for cs 1.6 on steam on ubuntu ?
[05:52] <thefish> olu, yes
[05:52] <dazed> it has a 9.9 baud modem
[05:52] <olu> k
[05:52] <occy> zenrox: I apt-cache search skype
[05:52] <dazed> BAUD!
[05:52] <occy> didn't find anything.
[05:52] <dazed> lol
[05:52] <Nermal> occy, not tried skype in hoary :|
[05:52] <Nermal> s/in hoary//
[05:52] <olu> the main problem is that all my disks is ntfs.. can i convert them to ext3?
[05:53] <thefish> skype is BAD!
[05:53] <zenrox> occy,  you got to get it from www.skype.com
[05:53] <zenrox> thefish,  shudup
[05:53] <dazed> can u run CS on nix?
[05:53] <psai_> is there a way to get the applications-all-users:/// menu editor working with gnome 2.10.0
[05:53] <vixus> dazed: Sure
[05:53] <zenrox> dazed,  with winx or cedaga
[05:53] <thefish> serious! they dont document anything, its a trap!
[05:53] <koen> yeah with that windows converted, sedeco or something
[05:53] <dazed> true
[05:53] <occy> thefish: heh
[05:53] <vixus> dazed: Pay money
[05:53] <dazed> forgot abotu those shizzles
[05:53] <thefish> nasty closed protocols
[05:53] <Nermal> occy, no section in ubuntuguide about it ?
[05:53] <cowbud> olu: with partition magic you can convert them..
[05:53] <vixus> thefish: Can you help?
[05:53] <dazed> who pays for anything anymore
[05:53] <cowbud> anyways i'm outta here
[05:53] <dazed> lol
[05:53] <occy> Nermal: didn't see... checking skype.com
[05:53] <Nermal> olu, nope :|
[05:54] <johso> is it possible to run Steam without installing everything again?
[05:54] <olu> Nermal: can't i?
[05:54] <Nermal> occy, likelyhood is you download it from skype.com and ubuntuguide.org will tell you how to install it "the ubuntu way"
[05:54] <dazed> cowbud: fsck Partition magic...it needs to die for charging me to do one resize on my hard drvie
[05:54] <occy> zenrox: just grab the debian package?
[05:54] <olu> not with partition magic either?
[05:54] <zenrox> occy,  yep
[05:54] <thefish> vixus, im not sure now... what is the last error you had?
[05:54] <koen> I guess you will have to locate halflife
[05:54] <vixus> thefish: X wouldn't start cause GLcore not found
[05:54] <occy> ahhh
[05:54] <occy> got it.
[05:54] <blueturtle> qt_parted = free Partition Magic clone
[05:54] <szaz> nermal: grep returns nothing in dmesg containing eth0
[05:54] <johso> and how would I do that? :p
[05:54] <occy> found it on ubuntuguide Nermal
[05:54] <motuline> why opera crashes when try to use java apps
[05:54] <occy> zenrox: I might call you in a bit. ;)
[05:55] <dazed> blueturtle: only works on nix :|
[05:55] <Micksa> hi
[05:55] <blueturtle> you can boot it up with windows
[05:55] <szaz> lspci lists several entries - none of which appear to be a net card
[05:55] <Nermal> szaz, what does lspci call the card
[05:55] <thefish> vixus, did you go: locate glcore?
[05:55] <Nermal> szaz, :|
[05:55] <blueturtle> from the boot cd..
[05:55] <johso> motuline: have you installed java plugin for mozilla?
[05:55] <Nermal> what does sudo modprobe ne2k_pci then dmesg give you ?
[05:55] <Micksa> I'm trying out hoary... any reason why the changing the mouse acceleration/sensitivity would seem to have no effecT?
[05:55] <thoreauputic> motuline: because you don't have the right java path configured, probably
[05:55] <motuline> ou.. sudo apt-get install flash-pluhin
[05:55] <motuline> ?
[05:55] <motuline> plugin*
[05:55] <dazed> alright all well the next hour of my life is dedicated to my AMAZING psychology class
[05:56] <szaz> nothing
[05:56] <zenrox> occy,  ok
[05:56] <blueturtle> have fun dazed :)
[05:56] <membreya> my poor thunderbird, I have it checking 4 email accounts (my isp, hotmail, gmail and localhost)
[05:56] <occy> I'll be scared the day they start putting AOL icons on the gnome desktop
[05:56] <occy> hehe
[05:56] <johso> motuline: http://ubuntuguide.org/
[05:56] <dazed> yeah right haha :)
[05:56] <Nermal> occy, I'll be more scared when they put gnome icons on the AOL stuff :|
[05:56] <Nermal> newbie galore :O
[05:56] <occy> heh
[05:56] <dazed||psych> peaces
[05:56] <occy> sad thing is, that's what we shooting for.
[05:57] <Nermal> aye :|
[05:57] <occy> at least I'm hoping it happens.
[05:57] <johso> motuline: if it works for mozilla it works for Opera - Opera searches for plugins in the mozilla folder..
[05:57] <occy> careful for what you wish for they say.
[05:57] <occy> :)
[05:57] <szaz> there is a line in dmesg "isapnp card: Allied Telesyn 2000 PNP'
[05:57] <Nermal> hum
[05:58] <Xappe> AOL, america on linux
[05:58] <blueturtle> heh, i wish
[05:58] <vixus> Don't tell me I have to _reinstall Ubuntu_
[05:58] <occy> zenrox: the ubuntuguide.org suggests using the staticQT version.
[05:58] <vixus> :O
[05:58] <membreya> vixus: it's fun
[05:58] <occy> zenrox: what do you suggest?
[05:58] <vixus> membreya... yeah, sure
[05:59] <thefish> vixus, run udo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 nd choose nvidia?
[05:59] <vixus> membreya: Having to get my entire configuration back the way it was
[05:59] <membreya> vixus: backup your /etc directory then :P
[05:59] <Nermal> hometime :D
[05:59] <membreya> don't leave Nermal !
[05:59] <thefish> vixus, did you sudo modprobe nvidia
[06:00] <Nermal> thefish, its already loaded
[06:00] <thefish> k
[06:00] <Nermal> for the 2nd time :)
[06:00] <Nermal> right.. ciao
[06:00] <titoxx69> Maybe it's a stupid question, but I would like to be less stupid :) Should I report GNOME-related bugs on the Ubuntu bugzilla ?
[06:00] <johso> You guys ever tried to unmute your microphone and then it will not mute again?? It's verya annoying, people can her themself if I speak to them using skype...
[06:00] <vixus> thefish: No output
[06:00] <vixus> thefish: No nvidia option either
[06:00] <titoxx69> Maybe GNOME bugzilla would be more appropriate
[06:00] <titoxx69> no ?
[06:00] <thefish> vixus, ok, did you run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" and choose nvidia
[06:00] <vixus> thefish: No nvidia option either
[06:01] <thefish> vixus, bugger - im not sure then
[06:01] <johso> noone?
[06:01] <vixus> thefish: reinstall ubuntu time
[06:01] <vixus> thefish: or back to windows tilll it can be fixed
[06:02] <johso> vixus: installing gfx drivers can screw everything up - I had to reinstall my Ubuntu in order to get my drivers working perfect...
[06:02] <vixus> bye all
[06:02] <vixus> :\
[06:02] <vixus> yeah, welll
[06:02] <vixus> :P
[06:02] <johso> virtuald: it might help to update to 686..
[06:02] <johso> vixus that was..
[06:03] <thefish> aah well
[06:03] <universal> does someone know how to install the iWeather for gdesklets??
[06:03] <johso> anyone know what to do with the microphone prob?
[06:03] <olu> why will apt install linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-4-386 when i have kernel 2.6.11 ?
[06:04] <Echylo> hmm, can you generate a html playlist of your songs with xmms?
[06:05] <johso> Echylo: I don't think so, no.. At least I've never seen that option..
[06:05] <xerox> Hello!
[06:06] <johso> Hello!
[06:06] <netpuppy> where do you find 32-bit libs for ubuntu/amd64?
[06:06] <blueturtle> a program to write that yourself wouldn't be very big
[06:06] <Echylo> blueturtle , first exams, then programming, then writing programs
[06:06] <Echylo> :p
[06:06] <xerox> I have a little question, maybe you answered to it multiple times. I just don't know. How does Ubuntu packet manager compares to Gentoo's portage? I really *love* having up-to-date packages, is it possible in ubuntu?
[06:06] <gangalino> what's the txt irc thing?
[06:07] <blueturtle> :)
[06:07] <Echylo> gangalino irssi? bitchX ?
[06:07] <Tomcat_> xerox: apt is very similar to portage. But Ubuntu won't give you bleeding-edge packages like Gentoo does.
[06:07] <thoreauputic> gangalino: irssi
[06:07] <gangalino> thanks
[06:07] <johso> xerox: sudo apt-get  dist-upgrade?
[06:07] <Niomi> hello
[06:07] <Tomcat_> xerox: It's not really a problem of the package manager. Just that somebody has to supply these new packages.
[06:07] <deFrysk> Tomcat_, unles you run hoary
[06:08] <Tomcat_> deFrysk: Yes, but hoary will freeze as well in the next weeks. :)
[06:08] <ells> is anyone familiar with gftp
[06:08] <xerox> Tomcat_, yep, my bigger "problem" in switching is about having newest software.
[06:08] <deFrysk> Tomcat_, but 6 weeks after we can upgrade to the next bleeding version
[06:08] <johso> ells: familiar? what are you thinking of?
[06:08] <Tomcat_> xerox: Then you have to use Gentoo or Debian sid (unstable)...
[06:08] <ells> johso, I connected last night and now it wont let me
[06:08] <Tomcat_> deFrysk: Indeed. :)
[06:09] <Echylo> hmm I was wondering, compiling gentoo or an lfs takes a long time on old computers, isn't it possible that other computers can "help" you with compiling, so that they compile a piece for your pc?
[06:09] <xerox> Tomcat_, Debian sid compares nicely to Gentoo, in this sense?
[06:09] <ells> i johso, I can do it in the console, but not graphically in gftp
[06:09] <Jesterace> http://remenissions.org/images/ubuntu.png there's my purdy ubuntu desktop
[06:09] <Vixus> I never thought I'd say the words: "Good old windows."
[06:09] <deFrysk> Tomcat_, so if you want bleeding with twice a year a 6 week interval use ubuntu ;)
[06:09] <Niomi> echylo: gentoo scares me.
[06:09] <Tomcat_> Well xerox... as deFrysk said you can run Ubuntu as bleeding edge... but I recommend it less than I'd recommend Debian sid or Gentoo.
[06:09] <ells> johso, dont know why
[06:09] <Echylo> Niomi lfs attracts me
[06:09] <johso> ells: okay - sounds strange... have you tried reinstalling it?
[06:10] <Echylo> but compiling would take ages here
[06:10] <Niomi> knowing nothing about linux, gentoo was the first i tried
[06:10] <Echylo> (2 or 3 days I guess)
[06:10] <thoreauputic> Echylo: yes, it's possible to compile on another machine
[06:10] <Niomi> it scared me away from linux for a year... heheheh..
[06:10] <deFrysk> Niomi, lol
[06:10] <ells> naw, here is what is says, Error: Could not read from socket: Connection reset by peer
[06:10] <koen_> what should i do to run nvidia drivers ?
[06:10] <Jesterace> gentoo took forever on my p3-750 heck i never did finish getting it installed
[06:10] <xerox> Tomcat_, okay, thank you very much.
[06:10] <Jesterace> so it runs ubuntu too
[06:10] <Echylo> same here
[06:10] <Echylo> but lfs attracts me more :p
[06:10] <Niomi> it took forever on my celeron... and i did it over and over again because i suck.
[06:11] <Tomcat_> deFrysk: I think the changes in Ubuntu from release to release are too big... like the UTF8 thing... I doubt you can change from bleeding edge to bleeding edge without breaking something, while Debian sid is really usable. :)
[06:11] <Tomcat_> deFrysk: But I might be wrong, no idea.
[06:11] <deFrysk> gentoo is fun but ever compiling gets boring
[06:11] <blueturtle> Jesterace - In Flames fan?:)
[06:11] <thoreauputic> Echylo: most of the speed claims for gentoo are exagerated
[06:11] <Jesterace> blueturtle,  yeppers :)
[06:11] <Echylo> uhu
[06:11] <thoreauputic> *exaggerated
[06:11] <blueturtle> cool
[06:11] <johso> ells: hmm, I'm not really _that_ familliar with it, but my best guess is to reinstall it, if it's not caused by the server..
[06:11] <deFrysk> Tomcat_, debian wil also switch to xorg
[06:11] <blueturtle> great stuff
[06:11] <MFen> has anyone gotten a non-sysvinit service manager working on ubuntu? is there maybe a tutorial somewhere?
[06:11] <blueturtle> i've been meaning to order some of their stuff
[06:11] <deFrysk> and probably also to utf8
[06:11] <Echylo> lfs will be on my todo list for the vacation
[06:11] <ells> johso, well I can get in thru the console
[06:11] <MFen> i really need one.. i have too many dependent services running
[06:11] <ells> johso, sounds fishy
[06:11] <blueturtle> no one else has the good taste to have it on mp3, and the stores don't stock them
[06:12] <johso> ells: Indeed...
[06:12] <Jesterace> blueturtle,  in flames?
[06:12] <ells> johso, wonder why I can thru console and not graphically
[06:12] <Jesterace> blueturtle,  i have all the albums in mp3 stores around here don't carry them as well
[06:12] <Echylo> I printed the manual once, so I think it's still useable?
[06:12] <MFen> i'm talking about something like runit
[06:13] <blueturtle> aye, i've been meaning to get some more of their stuff. Nightwish too
[06:13] <johso> ells: yea, doesn't make any sense... but as I said before, try to reinstall gftp?
[06:13] <ells> johso, I reinstalled, I can connect thru gftp to gnome
[06:13] <HeavyAl> hi all
[06:13] <HeavyAl> loaded channel
[06:13] <Jesterace> blueturtle,  ever give dark tranquillity a listen? i like them as well
[06:13] <HeavyAl> oh gawd, so we're talkin music?
[06:13] <johso> ells: gftp to gnome? now I'm confused
[06:14] <blueturtle> nope, good eh?
[06:14] <Jesterace> HeavyAl, we're talking everything :
[06:14] <HeavyAl> hehe
[06:14] <HeavyAl> cool
[06:14] <ells> johso, it is listed as a site on the program that you can go to if you want
[06:14] <blueturtle> Jesterace, i plan to massively upgrade my music once i get a job, i'm surviving hand to mouth at the moment on mp3 albums
[06:14] <Jesterace> blueturtle,  yep i considering sister bands since bandmembers swapped around hehe
[06:14] <ells> johso, verifying that the program works
[06:14] <blueturtle> hehehe
[06:14] <tritium> ells, what's going on?
[06:14] <Jesterace> I'm on a leave of absense from work
[06:15] <Jesterace> good ol anxiety disorder
[06:15] <johso> ells: Oh, didn't know that - so it's working now?
[06:15] <Jesterace> feel chest pains however doctors can't find nothing wrong
[06:15] <ells> tritium: I cannot connect thru gftp today
[06:15] <Jesterace> so i spend my days playing with linux
[06:15] <tritium> ells, to your desktop?  through ssh?
[06:15] <Jesterace> waiting for my insurance to start
[06:15] <ells> tritium, what in the heck it worked last night, ssh to desktop
[06:15] <Echylo> fantom paines Jesterace ?
[06:15] <dwa_> Jesterace , let it all out
[06:16] <Jesterace> Echylo, I don't know
[06:16] <tritium> ells, does your desktop get its IP address via dhcp?  has its IP changed?
[06:16] <djg> Hi, is synaptic broken in Hoary, or am I just totally useless?
[06:16] <Jesterace> they come on every so often and moreso when I take anxiety attacks they stuck me on paxil but they said it'll be a month before i feel any benefits lol.
[06:16] <Jesterace> but i'm still walking and breathing that's good enough for me
[06:16] <ells> I checked and it is the same
[06:16] <dwa_> well synaptic isn't broken... ;)
[06:17] <Jesterace> i would figure it it was major id be on my knees if i was doing physical activity
[06:17] <ells> tritium: here is what gftp says Error: Could not read from socket: Connection reset by peer
[06:17] <HeavyAl> i was on paxil for about three years
[06:17] <Jesterace> but it just seems when i'm idle i feel them
[06:17] <tritium> ells, check your desktop's IP address.
[06:17] <Jesterace> I took an attack so bad i rushed myself to the clinic
[06:17] <djg> dwa_: Damn.
[06:17] <ells> tritium: I do get it from DHCP
[06:17] <Jesterace> thinking it was a heart attack
[06:17] <ells> tritium: okay
[06:17] <HeavyAl> the problem with paxil for me was that it made it difficult for me to remember anything for more than 5 seconds.
[06:17] <Jesterace> I'm on week #2 with paxel
[06:17] <dwa_> djg : got any error messages?
[06:17] <djg> dwa_: I get problems with the APT library...
[06:18] <Jesterace> they did have me on celexa for 2 weeks before that then i was switched
[06:18] <tritium> ells, dhcp is not what you want if you're going to setup port forwarding.  Give your desktop a static IP address
[06:18] <lynrob> what is password for cups
[06:18] <blueturtle> i was on seroxat for a while, it's not good stuff
[06:18] <Jesterace> lynrob,  should be your password you use to login and for sudo
[06:18] <blueturtle> better to challenge the root of the problem than to mask the symptoms, i've found
[06:18] <HeavyAl> finally when i got the doctors to believe the stuff was effecting my memory they witched me to lexapro, which has been a great deal better.
[06:19] <ells> tritium: okay, but the ip is the same, how can I check this one out
[06:19] <Jesterace> I have constant anxiety
[06:19] <Jesterace> ppl say anxiety attacks last 30 mins
[06:19] <Jesterace> i've had them last 6 days
[06:19] <Jesterace> sleeping was the only peace i had
[06:19] <Jesterace> then when I woke up BOOM anxiety once again
[06:19] <HeavyAl> hey, since i'm here, can anyone tell me if there is a way to use synaptic to download the neccesary driver to make the media player work with mp3s and avi's?
[06:20] <deFrysk> Jesterace, during anxiety after 20 min in the situation it will settle down again
[06:20] <Jesterace> hmm
[06:20] <deFrysk> also then you will eventually get over it
[06:20] <djg> dwa_: synaptic: Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5-3.3
[06:20] <deFrysk> its a law
[06:20] <deFrysk> stay in is for at least 20 minutes be4 running
[06:20] <deFrysk> in it
[06:20] <dwa_> and what if you to install just that package?
[06:21] <dwa_> djg
[06:21] <djg> It's provided by apt.
[06:21] <lynrob> i have tried using my logon passwd to no avail
[06:21] <dwa_> mm
[06:21] <djg> And apt is already at the latest version...
[06:21] <dwa_> have you tried the forums?
[06:21] <dwa_> i
[06:21] <dwa_> i'm not really sure what the problem is
[06:21] <Butters|XGH|Snip> Does anyone have a minute?? I just need to ask a few questions to get some solutions
[06:22] <thoreauputic> Butters|XGH|Snip: just ask - if anyone can help, they will
[06:22] <membreya> just ask away Butters|XGH|Snip , it's the easiest way :)
[06:22] <djg> dwa_: No, I'll give it a go.
[06:22] <lynrob> my login passwd does not work for cups
[06:22] <Jesterace> actually
[06:23] <dwa_> djg , always remember: you're probably not the only one :)
[06:23] <Jesterace> lynrob,  did you try the printer manager in gnome/
[06:23] <Butters|XGH|Snip> ok I have a Geforce 6800 GT OC...I want a little better performance... I was stupid, upgraded to the 2.6.11 kernel then found out it doesn't work with the nvidia drivers...so I'm back on my 2.6.10 driver..But is there a more updated one??  I have 2.6.10-3-386
[06:23] <dwa_> and what do you see drasko?
[06:23] <dwa_> what do you really see?
[06:23] <lynrob> yes however my printer is not detected
[06:23] <membreya> Butters|XGH|Snip: download the nvidia driver and install it with 2.6.11 ?
[06:23] <Butters|XGH|Snip> I know theres a patch for the 6629 drivers but I don't have a clue on how to install it
[06:24] <Butters|XGH|Snip> yeah thats the problem... I'm a big noob man...if its not in apt-get I'm lost
[06:24] <Butters|XGH|Snip> I got it and d/led it...but getting the headers is killing me
[06:24] <lynrob> my printer is a usb canon pixma
[06:24] <Jesterace> i had lots of trouble with my printer
[06:25] <Jesterace> a usb Canon S200
[06:25] <lynrob> how did you get it going
[06:25] <membreya> Butters|XGH|Snip: http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux.html
[06:25] <LordGrunt> any guesses why my sound system is down after upgrade to hoary?
[06:26] <Butters|XGH|Snip> I already d/led that from nvidia.... but getting all the other dependants is where I fail
[06:27] <Butters|XGH|Snip> I can't find the kernel headers or what not for 2.6.11
[06:27] <lynrob> something as simple as printing should not be so difficult for linux
[06:27] <tritium> Butters|XGH|Snip, 2.6.10-4 is working just fine with nvidia
[06:27] <Butters|XGH|Snip> yeah I have this one 2.6.10-3-386
[06:27] <Jesterace> lynrob, I just used the gnome printer management
[06:27] <Butters|XGH|Snip> is there something a little more current that might help me out?
[06:27] <Jesterace> and it configured itself
[06:28] <tritium> Butters|XGH|Snip, it's the latest
[06:28] <thoreauputic> lynrob: canon have the reputation of being uncooperative with releasing specs - makes writing drivers hard
[06:28] <lynrob> i will try it again fo rumpteenth time
[06:28] <Jesterace> i never thought I'd get mine to work
[06:28] <Butters|XGH|Snip> ok.... so how do I get the kernel headers for my 2.6.10-3-386
[06:28] <Butters|XGH|Snip>  kernel so I can update to the 7167 drivers?
[06:28] <Jesterace> lynrob, did you check out linuxprinting.org see if there's any info there?
[06:28] <Vjaz> Anyone know a good graphical frontend for tgz/zip/rar/etc packages?
[06:28] <tritium> Butters|XGH|Snip, no, 6629
[06:29] <lypanov10mail> Riddell: ping you around?
[06:29] <Vjaz> I'm displeased with Fileroller.
[06:29] <thoreauputic> lynrob: check linuxprintting.org to see if it's supported
[06:29] <Butters|XGH|Snip> ok so do you have an easy way for me to patch my 6629 drivers?
[06:29] <lypanov10mail> anyone else know how to set the locale in my gnome desktop to en_GB?
[06:29] <Jesterace> doh my upgrade to hoary wiped my samba settings heh
[06:29] <Pingp0Ng[m] aN> hey peepz. i need some help with connecting to a lan network. (they have win2003 server)
[06:29] <Butters|XGH|Snip> 6629 only supports 42megs of video memory...what a waste when I have 256
[06:30] <thefish> Pingp0Ng[m] aN, you want to share files?
[06:30] <lypie> ummm
[06:30] <tritium> Butters|XGH|Snip, you'll have to build your own nvidia kernel modules if you decide not to use what ships with ubuntu
[06:30] <Butters|XGH|Snip> ok so how do I get the kernel headers?  lol you keep avoiding this question
[06:30] <Butters|XGH|Snip> you have to have them to build the driver
[06:31] <Jesterace> sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[06:31] <Pingp0Ng[m] aN> no ,problem is autorization, cuz they requre to log on the doman, and i cant make to promt me user/pass prompt
[06:31] <tritium> Butters|XGH|Snip, I'm not avoiding any questions.  You didn't ask me that before.  Please address comments to my nick so that I see them.
[06:32] <tritium> Butters|XGH|Snip, apt-get install the linux-headers package that matches the kernel version you wish to use
[06:32] <Butters|XGH|Snip> hmm its saying they haven't been verified
[06:32] <Butters|XGH|Snip> does this mater?
[06:32] <membreya> Butters|XGH|Snip: what kernel are you running?
[06:32] <Butters|XGH|Snip> 2.6.10-3-386
[06:32] <Pingp0Ng[m] aN> thefish: no ,problem is autorization, cuz they requre to log on the doman, and i cant make to promt me user/pass prompt
[06:33] <thefish> aah
[06:33] <thefish> so what services do you want from the domain?
[06:33] <membreya> Butters|XGH|Snip: sudo apt-get install kernel-headers-2.6-386
[06:34] <Butters|XGH|Snip> jThe following packages have unmet dependencies:
[06:34] <Butters|XGH|Snip>   kernel-headers-2.6-386: Depends: kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-386 but it is not installable
[06:34] <Butters|XGH|Snip> E: Broken packages
[06:34] <Pingp0Ng[m] aN> thefish: all, we have DHCP (works), Internet (uses ISA server)... to access computers
[06:34] <blueturtle> later
[06:34] <tritium> Butters|XGH|Snip, why not use the latest kernel?
[06:35] <Butters|XGH|Snip> because I didn't know how to get the kernel headers and my nvidia drivers don't work on X with 2.6.11 right now
[06:35] <Butters|XGH|Snip> so I was just going to upgrade completely to 2.6.11 and the 7167
[06:35] <Pingp0Ng[m] aN> thefish: im curentyl on win2003, when i try to acess computer it requres username: (domain/hostname and password) ... so that is what also i need :)
[06:35] <tritium> Butters|XGH|Snip, I'm in several channels at the same time.  If you don't address comments to my nick, I won't see them.
[06:36] <thefish> Pingp0Ng[m] aN, what do you want on it files/email ?
[06:36] <kahuna_> Is there a media player that looks and works good in gnome that you guys can reccommend? If there's anything like it, I prefer an itunes-like interface.
[06:36] <thefish> why should you log in if all you want to do is log in?
[06:36] <thefish> it will do you no good
[06:36] <stgs> I have a problem with warty live cd
[06:37] <ssam> kahuna_ rhythmbox
[06:37] <thefish> if you want to access files on the machine, use smbclient
[06:37] <stgs> could you help me?
[06:37] <tritium> Butters|XGH|Snip, the latest _supported_ kernel is 2.6.10-4
[06:37] <kahuna_> ssam, thanks :)
[06:38] <ssam> its the most itunes like interface
[06:38] <kahuna_> Looks nice to me.
[06:38] <ssam> or there is muine, which is not like itunes, but it makes it quick to play a song or album
[06:39] <kahuna_> Maybe I'll try both
[06:40] <Butters|XGH|Snip> tritium: I'm installing the 10-4 kernel now.... where are the kernel headers located so I can tell the nvidia driver?
[06:40] <ssam> or beep-media-player (the new xmms), which is like winamp (a bad interface in my opinion)
[06:41] <tritium> Butters|XGH|Snip, linux-headers-2.6.10-4
[06:41] <tritium> Butters|XGH|Snip, you need that package installed
[06:42] <Butters|XGH|Snip> tritium: yes It selected it in Synaptic
[06:42] <tritium> Butters|XGH|Snip, okay, install it.
[06:42] <Butters|XGH|Snip> tritium: I chose the 2.6.10-4-k7 and it said I needed the other one
[06:43] <Butters|XGH|Snip> tritium: so where is that header located?? I'm about to restart so I can upgrade my nvidia drivers
[06:44] <tritium> Butters|XGH|Snip, get the correct one for your architecture.  It should be /lib/modules/2.6.10-4/build, or something similar.  I don't recall exactly
[06:44] <tritium> Butters|XGH|Snip, the nvidia installer program should default to that, and work without modification
[06:45] <Butters|XGH|Snip> tritium: thanks for the help... lol nah it doesn't because it doesn't put the headers in the same location as distros like RH does
[06:46] <tritium> Butters|XGH|Snip, I know it doesn't, but if I recall, it defaults to /usr/lib/`uname -r`/build/, which is a symlink to the headers
[06:46] <Butters|XGH|Snip> tritium: so it askes for the location during the installation
[06:46] <bluefoxicy> DAMNIT
[06:46] <bluefoxicy> my gnome is set to flash the whole monitor when it beeps
[06:46] <bluefoxicy> htf do i turn that off
[06:49] <gustav_> bluefoxicy: sound in the settings menu then systemsignal (or someting, my ubuntu is in swedish)
[06:50] <thoreauputic> bluefoxicy: "visual feedback" under sound preferences
[06:51] <thoreauputic> on the system bell tab
[06:52] <EvilSven> hi, how do I check and/or set color-depth in hoary?
[06:53] <Punkt> jemand ne ahnung wie die software heisst womit ich'n widows sp extrahieren kann?
[06:54] <reon> What is the best p2p app out there ??? For Ubuntu64 offcourse
[06:55] <zenrox> reon,  not for 64bit but limewire
[06:55] <Amaranth> reon: giFToxic or Apollon if they are available for amd64
[06:55] <Amaranth> reon: giFToxic is GTK, Apollon is QT but better
[06:57] <reon> zenroz, I ran limewire on Win, was really good/fast
[06:57] <zenrox> reon,  it can also run on linux
[06:57] <reon> zenrox, noticed but looks like 32bit only
[06:58] <reon> I need to lear how to convert 32bit apps to 64 bit.....
[06:58] <zenrox> reon,  try it at least it might still work
[06:58] <zenrox> lol
[06:58] <reon> zenrox, i'll try it no
[06:58] <zenrox> hehehe
[06:59] <xerox> If I install the hoary iso, which X server would I get?
[06:59] <thoreauputic> xerox: xorg
[06:59] <StoffBox-Steve> have someone a link .. howto install lm-sensors ... i have a nice one, but i lost it :(
[06:59] <DarthFrog> xorg
[07:00] <zenrox> StoffBox-Steve,  just do a apt-get install lm-sensors
[07:00] <zenrox> StoffBox-Steve,  then do a sudo sensors-detect
[07:00] <zenrox> then tell it to add the lines
[07:00] <Punkt> how can i extract a windows sp?
[07:00] <zenrox> then reboot
[07:00] <StoffBox-Steve> ahh thx zenrox :)
[07:00] <zenrox> StoffBox-Steve,  n/p
[07:02] <universal> does someone know about Iweather?
[07:03] <universal> Amaranth, do you know about gdesklets?
[07:03] <Amaranth> universal: Nope.
[07:03] <universal> Amaranth, ok
[07:04] <bluefoxicy> thoreauputic: bug.
[07:04] <bluefoxicy> thoreauputic:  Mine was set to "flash window title" but it flashes the whole fecking screen.
[07:05] <thoreauputic> did you disble it ?
[07:05] <thoreauputic> *disable
[07:06] <bluefoxicy> thoreauputic:  yeah
[07:10] <scorn> hello all. so i tried the live cd alot .. is there a way to install that .. or whats the closest
[07:12] <EvilSven> I just upgraded from warty to hoary, I seem to have lost synaptic (it's not in system) any hints?
[07:12] <EvilSven> menu system that is...
[07:13] <scorn> EvilSven sorry cant help you.. but what gnome version is in the latest ,.. ?
[07:13] <ompaul> EvilSven, have you tried it from the command line?
[07:13] <EvilSven> 2.10 I think
[07:13] <scorn> or whats the latest ubuntu out now
[07:13] <crimsun> EvilSven: System>Administration
[07:13] <Agrajag> scorn: the version of buntu with the newest software is hoary
[07:13] <Agrajag> 5.04
[07:14] <Agrajag> s/buntu/ubuntu
[07:14] <scorn> k ill dlaod it now.. how many disks
[07:14] <Agrajag> 1
[07:14] <DarthFrog> Except that Hoary is in the pre-release stage.  A release candidate, if you will.
[07:14] <scorn> what is jigdo
[07:14] <Agrajag> DarthFrog: true, but it seems stable to me
[07:15] <DarthFrog> Agrajag: and to me, too.
[07:15] <scorn> is it easy to upgrade ..?
[07:15] <EvilSven> It's not in System>Administration (was before). what is the cmd-line command (hehe)?
[07:15] <Agrajag> scorn: yes
[07:15] <Agrajag> it uses apt
[07:15] <Agrajag> EvilSven: surprisingly, it's "synaptic"
[07:15] <scorn> Agrajag because if im dlaodeing a pre .. then i want to eventually just update
[07:15] <DarthFrog> scorn: Jigdo is "jigsaw download",  It's a scatter-gather method of downloading files.
[07:15] <xukun> anybody here using GeForce4 440 Go with the latest kernel?
[07:16] <Agrajag> scorn: there is a graphical update manager included
[07:16] <Agrajag> it doesn't matter if it
[07:16] <Agrajag> if it's a prerelease or not, you should stay up-to-date on security patches
[07:16] <scorn> http://ubuntu.mirrors.tds.net/releases/5.04/hoary-preview-install-i386.iso   so ths is the one im downloading ..
[07:17] <EvilSven> the update was a brease, but I've lost xine and synaptic from the menus
[07:17] <DarthFrog> scorn: Ubuntu is Debian-based system. Once one version is installed, you never have to re-install to upgrade to newer versions. You simply edit /etc/apt/sources.list to change the download targets to the newer version.
[07:17] <crimsun> EvilSven: have you logged out and back in?
[07:17] <Agrajag> oh, I don't have xine there either
[07:17] <Agrajag> weird
[07:17] <EvilSven> xine doesn't bother me (still here)
[07:17] <scorn> DarthFrog right..
[07:17] <EvilSven> yes
[07:17] <Agrajag> I guess I use bash too much to notice
[07:17] <navreet> EvilSven, file a bug report
[07:17] <EvilSven> rebooted
[07:17] <navreet> EvilSven, please
[07:17] <crimsun> EvilSven: are you referring to xineui?
[07:18] <EvilSven> yupp
[07:18] <scorn> can i modify my kernel .. or is some auto thing
[07:18] <DarthFrog> How do you want to modify it?
[07:18] <crimsun> EvilSven: xineui lacks a proper .desktop file corresponding to the new gnome menu method
[07:18] <EvilSven> but xine is still linked to the appropriate files, so no matter
[07:18] <EvilSven> oki
[07:18] <Agrajag> I'd likke to go on record as despising the new gnome menu method
[07:19] <Agrajag> since you can't add entries through nautilus anymore
[07:19] <DarthFrog> You can build and install your own kernel if you want.
[07:19] <thoreauputic> Agrajag: hear! hear!
[07:19] <crimsun> EvilSven: you could install the 'menu' and 'menu-xdg' packages if you'd like to see them; they'll be in the Debian menu.
[07:19] <EvilSven> hehe
[07:19] <EvilSven> would that give me back synaptic??
[07:19] <DarthFrog> Agrajag: I'm running the KDE desktop.  Don't know about new Gnome menus. :-)  Don't know about old Gnome menus for that matter.
[07:20] <crimsun> EvilSven: you shouldn't have any problems whatsoever with Synaptic
[07:20] <EvilSven> I do, tho
[07:20] <Agrajag> DarthFrog: hey, nobody's perfect
[07:20] <crimsun> EvilSven: rerun update-menus?
[07:20] <EvilSven> how ? pls   :)
[07:20] <crimsun> EvilSven: when was the last time you ran sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[07:21] <EvilSven> 2 hrs ago
[07:21] <DarthFrog> Agrajag: or pobody's nerfect, as my wife says.
[07:21] <Riddell> Agrajag: you can use kmenuedit to change the menu
[07:21] <thefish> seeya folks
[07:21] <crimsun> EvilSven: open a terminal and type sudo update-menus
[07:21] <EvilSven> all went great, just a few missing icons
[07:21] <Agrajag> Riddell: kmenuedit?
[07:21] <EvilSven> thnks
[07:21] <Agrajag> um...
[07:21] <Agrajag> I'm using gnome
[07:22] <Riddell> Agrajag: regardless, you can use it
[07:22] <Agrajag> oh
[07:22] <Agrajag> I really don't feel like installing KDE to edit gnome menus
[07:22] <EvilSven> sudo: update-menus: command not found
[07:22] <DarthFrog> Agrajag: If you have the support libraries installed, Gnome users can use KDE programs and _vice versa_.  Using one, doesn't mean giving up on the best of the other.
[07:23] <Agrajag> YEs, but as I said I don't feel like installing it
[07:23] <EvilSven> any special dir?
[07:23] <Agrajag> I really don't like kde.
[07:23] <StoffBox-Steve> is there a console command to look what ubuntu version im running ?
[07:23] <thoreauputic> EvilSven: you installed the packages crimsun said to install?
[07:24] <Agrajag> StoffBox-Steve: cat /etc/lsb-release
[07:24] <EvilSven> sorry, no
[07:24] <EvilSven> just a sec
[07:24] <crimsun> EvilSven: sorry, that's in the 'menu' package
[07:24] <StoffBox-Steve> thx Agrajag
[07:24] <thoreauputic> StoffBox-Steve: or cat /etc/issue
[07:24] <membreya> cat /etc/issue
[07:24] <membreya> damn you thor
[07:24] <thoreauputic> hehe
[07:25] <EvilSven> apt-get install menu?
[07:25] <crimsun> you'll want menu-xdg, too
[07:25] <EvilSven> yes, but that's the syntax?
[07:26] <crimsun> apt-get install menu menu-xdg
[07:26] <EvilSven> okidoki
[07:26] <membreya> he'll win :(
[07:26] <dazed||psych> lol
[07:26] <ding> ding - game on
[07:27] <membreya> screw you thoreauputic ...that's EXACTLY what I was about to say!
[07:27] <thoreauputic> membreya: gotta be quick, mate ;) *grin*
[07:28] <membreya> i got a headache and it's 5.30am
[07:28] <EvilSven> crimsun, need a gnome restartr for effect?
[07:28] <crimsun> EvilSven: no, at most, pkill gnome-panel
[07:28] <dazed_> membreya: where do u live!?
[07:28] <EvilSven> oki
[07:28] <membreya> melbourne
[07:29] <StoffBox-Steve> :D  /etc/issue/ looks nice on karmaba  .. thx
[07:29] <dazed_> membreya: ahh ok
[07:29] <dazed_> 7 hours behind me
[07:29] <ompaul> up north of the south pole eh?
[07:29] <dazed_> lol
[07:29] <membreya> crimsun: why the hell does linux always have 1,000,000 different ways of doing things
[07:29] <ompaul> membreya, that is the wrong question
[07:30] <dazed_> i cant wait til i ubu-fi my laptop and get my wireless card to work on it...its going to be soooo l33t
[07:30] <lupusBE> membreya, why is that bad? :)
[07:30] <thoreauputic> people from Melbourne have muddy minds - it's the Yarra River that does it....
[07:30] <lupusBE> all roads go to Rome :)
[07:30] <membreya> lupusBE: it gets very confusing
[07:30] <StoffBox-Steve> membreya: whats why there are 2,000,000 different user :P
[07:30] <ompaul> membreya, there are exactly several methods more than you need, you are free to choose one that is there or create a new way :)
[07:30] <membreya> ie whether to do a sudo killall gnome-panels or to do sudo pkill gnome-panels
[07:31] <MFen> so that was a "no" on runit..
[07:31] <dazed_> just because 2 things can work to do the same thing YOU want to do doesnt mean that they are both meant for doing the same thing...
[07:32] <membreya> and you can either do an ls or a dir
[07:32] <thoreauputic> or  sudo kill `pidof gnome-panel`
[07:32] <crimsun> membreya: that's a Good Thing
[07:32] <thoreauputic> or sudo kill $(pidof gnome-panel)
[07:33] <membreya> crimsun: can you imagine how much less coding would be required if there was only one way
[07:33] <dazed_> lol
[07:33] <dazed_> thoreauputic knows everyway to do everything
[07:33] <crimsun> membreya: what, and remove freedom of choice? no way!
[07:33] <dazed_> lol
[07:33] <ompaul> choice allows people to be free - if there were only red roses, green fields it would be very bland and uninventive
[07:33] <membreya> thoreauputic: is what we call "analy retentive"
[07:33] <ompaul> membreya, where is the ecosystem in that?
[07:34] <dazed_> lol
[07:34] <membreya> ompaul: but it would be a controlled environment that is full of discipline
[07:35] <thoreauputic> membreya: hah! how can I be anally retentive and have lousy grooming at the same time? Psych 101 for you !
[07:35] <dazed_> does ubuntu come with an ndiswrapper or am i going to have to get it?
[07:35] <ompaul> membreya,  and broken software :) .. see the redmond sample for concepts of what might happen
[07:35] <membreya> thoreauputic: mentally pretentious ?
[07:35] <membreya> ompaul: a multi-billion dollar international company?
[07:36] <thoreauputic> membreya: ah... OK...
[07:36] <EvilSven> crimsun, thanks for the help, i got a nifty debian menu that looks fun, but synaptic is still absent  :(
[07:36] <thoreauputic> :)
[07:36] <LeaChim> is there a skype package for ubuntu?
[07:37] <EvilSven> no, console command for synaptic?
[07:37] <LeaChim> oops
[07:37] <thoreauputic> EvilSven: sudo synaptic?
[07:38] <EvilSven> been there, done that  :(
[07:39] <Butters|XGH|Snip> Anybody here use the NvAGP option in there X config?
[07:39] <membreya> Butters|XGH|Snip: yup, but agpart overrides it
[07:39] <membreya> :(
[07:39] <ompaul> LeaChim, there is, you can get it from skype if you want to apt-get it there are some people with it out there
[07:39] <Butters|XGH|Snip> oh even on the new patched 7167?
[07:39] <KING^^^> hello all , why my xmms won't open ?
[07:39] <membreya> Butters|XGH|Snip: yup cos agpart is loading with the kernel
[07:39] <KING^^^> yesterday it worked , now it doesn't
[07:40] <Butters|XGH|Snip> damn ok...anything else I can change to give me better 3D performance?
[07:40] <ompaul> LeaChim, however if you do the apt-get you are waiting for them to update the client, that might not be a bad thing or it might be
[07:40] <membreya> did you disable dri Butters|XGH|Snip ?
[07:40] <Butters|XGH|Snip> yes of course
[07:41] <Butters|XGH|Snip> I can't seem to get FastWrite enabled
[07:41] <Butters|XGH|Snip> would that help me out?
[07:41] <LeaChim> ompaul, skype provide it?
[07:41] <KING^^^> artur@ubuntu:~ $ xmms
[07:41] <KING^^^> libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[07:41] <KING^^^> Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!
[07:41] <ompaul> LeaChim, no they provide a version you can install
[07:41] <membreya> Option          "RenderAccel"           "true" <-- got that Butters|XGH|Snip ?
[07:41] <ompaul> LeaChim, it is not in the form of a deb afaik
[07:41] <Butters|XGH|Snip> ::: shakes head and scratches :::
[07:42] <LeaChim> bah
[07:43] <Butters|XGH|Snip> Anything else I need to add in here?
[07:43] <Butters|XGH|Snip> lol while I'm here
[07:43] <EvilSven> it's just not there, should be in /usr/sbin, right?
[07:43] <zenrox> ompaul,  thay are providing .debs now
[07:43] <ompaul> zenrox, kewl
[07:43] <zenrox> for skype
[07:43] <chool> hello
[07:43] <thoreauputic> EvilSven: what does `which synaptic` return?
[07:43] <KING^^^> no one can help me ?
[07:43] <zenrox> ompaul,  and mine works
[07:44] <chool> Q: where i can download the LINUX
[07:44] <EvilSven> nada
[07:44] <EvilSven> nuthin
[07:44] <Butters|XGH|Snip> membreya: anything else you can think of that I need to add that would help?
[07:44] <ompaul> zenrox, I know a guy who was packaging it for the last couple of months with their agreement
[07:44] <thoreauputic> EvilSven: hmm - tried  sudo apt-get install --reinstall synaptic  ?
[07:44] <Hunt02> hello
[07:44] <mackid> hey
[07:44] <chool> Q: Does any1 knows where i can download the LINUX
[07:44] <EvilSven> was JUST gonna ask u about that (sort of)  :)
[07:45] <Butters|XGH|Snip> lol, thats a silly question
[07:45] <Hunt02> do RPM's made for Mandrake / Fedora, work on a Ubuntu-system ?
[07:45] <netmonk> chool, www.ubuntulinux.org
[07:45] <thoreauputic> chool: which one? there are hundreds...
[07:45] <pantulis> hello people
[07:45] <StoffBox-Steve> ok qustion 2 :D  i know how to show the local IP but,  how can i show the internet ip ?
[07:45] <Butters|XGH|Snip> www.distrowatch.com is a good place to look....and www.linuxiso.org
[07:46] <EvilSven> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[07:46] <EvilSven>   synaptic: Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5-3.3
[07:46] <mackid> StoffBox-Steve, go to whatismyip.com - it'll tell you
[07:46] <EvilSven> can install that?
[07:46] <zenrox> ompaul,  thats kewl tray calling me i want to make shure my skype is set up right
[07:46] <ompaul> http://www.skype.com/products/skype/linux/ LeaChim this is what you want
[07:46] <Butters|XGH|Snip> lol I tried installing IPCop on one of my extra computers.....I had no idea how to get it going
[07:46] <thoreauputic> EvilSven: that doesn't look too promising...
[07:46] <StoffBox-Steve> *G* mackid i know that but i need a console command or script ... i what this for my Karamba :)
[07:46] <LeaChim> are there any of the canonical staff online at the moment?
[07:47] <EvilSven> thoreauputic, k
[07:47] <pantulis> has anyone here gotten XRANDR to do screen rotations under xorg?
[07:47] <thoreauputic> StoffBox-Steve: ifconfig can tell you your current IP
[07:47] <mackid> StoffBox-Steve, you'd probably need a console web browser.. lynx would work.  there may be another way, but i don't know of it
[07:47] <Hunt02> anyone ?
[07:47] <BiteMeBill> StoffBox-Steve: There is an applet that will get the IP address from an outside source like whatismyip.com but I don't remember which one it was.
[07:47] <Jesterace> think i'll attempt to make ubuntu a webserver
[07:48] <chool> thoreauputic, i dont know which one is the best and easy for PC
[07:48] <Hunt02> is it possible to install the NVidia drivers on a Ubuntu system ?
[07:48] <Jesterace> Hunt02, yep
[07:48] <Jesterace> i'm running them
[07:48] <BiteMeBill> Butters|XGH|Snip: Where did you get stuck on the IPCop set up?
[07:48] <Hunt02> Jesterace, is there a howto for that
[07:48] <thoreauputic> chool: read http://distrowatch.com
[07:49] <Jesterace> Hunt02, take a look at http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[07:49] <Hunt02> especially for Ubuntu
[07:49] <haselden> hunt02...i think you can use "alien" to rebuild the rpms into debian packages
[07:49] <Hunt02> thx a lot
[07:49] <StoffBox-Steve> BiteMeBill: i know there is one for gdesklets ... i look for it and  take a look how there make it ... thoreauputic , i know but there i only can see my LanIp and my ip6 ...
[07:49] <crschmidt> Anyone know how I could get mod_rewrite working on my ubuntu apache2?
[07:49] <Hunt02> haselden, so you mean i can't install a single RPM ?
[07:49] <freep> Hello
[07:49] <thoreauputic> StoffBox-Steve:  dyndns.org
[07:49] <chool> thoreauputic, thanks
[07:49] <BiteMeBill> StoffBox-Steve: That's why I said something figured that might be your best bed.
[07:49] <BiteMeBill> bed= bet
[07:50] <thoreauputic> StoffBox-Steve: and ez-ipupdate
[07:50] <dazed_> thoreauputic: whats a good partitioner for windows?
[07:50] <ompaul> Hunt02, I belive that if you use something called alien you may be able to install certain rpms which ones well YMMV
[07:50] <dazed_> besides partition magic
[07:50] <freep> Hm, I have a newbie-esque question, can you burn the iso-files for ubunto to a DVD-R instead of a CD-R?
[07:50] <haselden> i'm not certain...when i try to rpm -i on my box, it tells me to run alien
[07:50] <pantulis> i couldn't get ez-ipupdate to work from behind a firewall
[07:50] <thoreauputic> dazed_: I don't use windows
[07:50] <haselden> alien converts the rpm to the package ubuntu needs
[07:50] <LinuxJones> freemymind, yeah
[07:50] <crschmidt> dazed_: PartitionMagic
[07:50] <dazed_> i know
[07:50] <LinuxJones> freemymind, it's a waste of space but yes
[07:50] <crschmidt> but it's not free
[07:50] <dazed_> but i thought u might now
[07:50] <dazed_> know*
[07:50] <dazed_>  of one
[07:50] <dazed_> lol
[07:50] <haselden> 'alien --to-deb <rpm file>'
[07:51] <StoffBox-Steve> i know them thoreauputic but thats not im looking for *G*
[07:51] <dazed_> crschmidt:<dazed_> besides partition magic
[07:51] <crschmidt> oh
[07:51] <crschmidt> i missed that, sorry
[07:51] <freep> linuxboy: that was meant for me? ;)
[07:51] <BiteMeBill> freep: yes you should be able to..  It's only a media
[07:51] <dazed_> crshmidt: did you pay for it?
[07:51] <thoreauputic> dazed_: I used to use bootit NG or something (comes on a floppy)
[07:51] <dazed_> cuz i cant do anything unless i pay
[07:51] <occy> heh
[07:51] <occy> quite a suck.
[07:51] <dazed_> stupid non-open-source software
[07:51] <Hunt02> is it possible to see how many RAM the system is using on this very moment ?
[07:51] <occy> I can talk into my mic, and I hear it coming out of my speakers.
[07:51] <Hunt02> within gnome or the console
[07:52] <freep> I thought so as well, but I wasn't sure. The thing is that I have a load of DVD-r's, but only one CD-R... somewhere. I can live with the waste. Thanks a lot!
[07:52] <occy> can't seem to record anything with soundrecorder.
[07:52] <pantulis> Hunt02: already tried 'top' ?
[07:52] <crschmidt> dazed_: never used it, but it's pretty much the only solution there is
[07:52] <chool> Does any1 knows about Plesk 7.5 Reloaded for linux ?
[07:52] <Hunt02> in the console ?
[07:52] <pantulis> Hunt02: yep
[07:52] <dazed_> yteah i figured
[07:52] <dazed_> so ill just go get a crack or some shizzle
[07:53] <Hunt02> pantulis, no, but i'll give it a try. I want to tweak my system, so as many services as possible would have to be disabled
[07:53] <ompaul> occy, have a look in alsamixer at the volumes for various inputs and outputs - that should help
[07:53] <haselden> hunt02...also 'free'
[07:53] <haselden> shows memory info
[07:53] <occy> ompaul: yah...
[07:53] <occy> (cool curses based app)
[07:54] <occy> if I select between mic1 and mic2...  mic2 gives me nothing, mic1 I can hear stuff through the speakers.
[07:55] <Hunt02> does Ubuntu has support for 5.1 speaker systems ?
[07:55] <ompaul> occy, I would be more interested in stuff that was muted, but that is just me
[07:55] <occy> ompaul: don't see anything muted
[07:56] <occy> hmmm
[07:56] <occy> mono out was set on mix
[07:56] <occy> and not mic
[07:57] <ompaul> occy, other stuff can be to check for turned up to zero :)
[07:57] <djp> how can u burn a multisession cd with nautilus?
[07:58] <occy> ompaul: fwiw, those things options looked exactly like the gnome volume tool
[07:58] <thoreauputic> djp: I don't think you can
[07:58] <djp> thoreauputic: is it possible with cdrecord?
[07:58] <LinuxJones> djp, graveman or gnomebaker can do that if you need a gui.
[07:58] <dizzie> Evening ladies :)
[07:59] <ompaul> 9 On a Scale of 10 - Sammy Hagar [1979]  <-- ha google does it again
[07:59] <LinuxJones> dizzie, afternoon
[07:59] <neighborlee> says there is new nvidia-glx version but says:: 'new version : 6629' which is wrong as I already have that version;...or is this a fix for this v ersion ??
[07:59] <thoreauputic> djp: I'd use LinuxJones's suggestion
[08:00] <djp> thoreauputic: ok thanks. and to you LinuxJones
[08:00] <mackid> so i installed the nvidia driver as it explained on ubuntuguide.org, and i hit ctrl-alt-bkspc to restart X, but it didn't restart it, it just killed it
[08:00] <LinuxJones> djp, ;)
[08:00] <mackid> and now when i login and then % sudo gdm, it says it's already running
[08:01] <mackid> so how do i get back to X?
[08:01] <thoreauputic> djp: I have a link for a gnomebaker .deb if you are on warty
[08:01] <LinuxJones> mackid, do sudo -s (enter your user password)
[08:01] <thoreauputic> mackid: try ctrl-alt-F7
[08:01] <mackid> LinuxJones, then what?
[08:01] <LinuxJones> mackid, then do killall gdm      followed by /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[08:02] <mackid> thoreauputic, there's a blank screen with a blinking cursor at the top when i hit ctrl-alt-F7
[08:02] <mackid> LinuxJones, i'll try that, thanks
[08:02] <djp> thoreauputic: yes i am. is it not available via apt-get?
[08:02] <thoreauputic> mackid: OK - do the gdm thing then (ctrl-alt-F1 to return to a prompt)
[08:03] <thoreauputic> djp: http://people.debian.org/~goedson/packages/ubuntu/warty/gnomebaker/releases/i386/
[08:03] <pshot> does anyone know how to get hoary to use fglrx driver? i changed the config and installed restricted modules for my kernel, but i still cant use it
[08:03] <thoreauputic> djp: it isn't in the repositories for warty
[08:03] <thoreauputic> afaik
[08:04] <mackid> LinuxJones, that worked, thank you
[08:04] <thoreauputic> djp: that deb worked well for me
[08:04] <djp> thoreauputic: is it a better option than x-cdroast or kb3?
[08:04] <LinuxJones> mackid, sometimes you need to do a restart x to get things running properly :)
[08:04] <thoreauputic> djp: better than xcdroast : k3b is very nice
[08:05] <djp> thoreauputic: does k3b install under warty?
[08:05] <pshot> anyone know whats wrong?
[08:05] <thoreauputic> djp: but k3b requires qt libraries and such
[08:05] <thoreauputic> djp: it will install
[08:06] <DarthFrog> There's a Gnome equivalent to k3b.  Gnome-baker, I think it's called.
[08:06] <StoffBox-Steve> wget -q -O - http://checkip.dyndns.org | grep Address
[08:06] <LinuxJones> pshot, did you load the module or re-start the computer ?
[08:06] <StoffBox-Steve> args
[08:06] <pshot> LinuxJones,  yeah I've restarted
[08:06] <thoreauputic> djp: try gnomebaker - it seems to work very well and it's easy to use
[08:06] <mjr> #4
[08:06] <mackid> yay, i'm in X now.. with nvidia acceleration, supposedly
[08:07] <StoffBox-Steve> thoreauputic: im looking for somethink like this ... but without the html stuff in it ... :: wget -q -O - http://checkip.dyndns.org | grep Address
[08:07] <pshot> LinuxJones, I'll try loading it again and restart x
[08:07] <LinuxJones> pshot, can you try to manually load the module and see iif it loads ?
[08:08] <mackid> now, if i wanted the most recent version of the nvidia driver, could I install that somehow?  the repository has 6627, and the most recent nvidia driver is 7176
[08:08] <mackid> 7167*
[08:08] <membreya> yes mackid you grab it off the nvidia website and install it yourself
[08:08] <netmonk> I have iBook g3 and it suspends fine, but even in suspend the screen stays on, how can i fix that?
[08:08] <mackid> membreya, okay, thanks
[08:09] <thoreauputic> StoffBox-Steve: you could strip out the html with `cut` or something similar - don't ask me for the synatax though ;)
[08:09] <djp> thoreauputic: will do...
[08:09] <thoreauputic> *syntax*
[08:09] <StoffBox-Steve> :D thoreauputic ok i google a bit :D
[08:11] <thoreauputic> StoffBox-Steve: easier - html2text
[08:11] <Gecko> Hello
[08:11] <will> mmm im upgrading to hoary
[08:11] <Gecko> I cannot get fglrx to use anything but mesa
[08:12] <Gecko> I am running hoary on an amd64
[08:12] <thoreauputic> StoffBox-Steve: wget -q -O - http://checkip.dyndns.org | grep Address | html2text
[08:12] <thoreauputic> StoffBox-Steve: that works
[08:12] <Gecko> Can anyone help me?
[08:12] <StoffBox-Steve> thx thoreauputic :D i mate it this way :D >> html2text  http://checkip.dyndns.org | grep  Address
[08:13] <EvilSven> crimsun, and thoreauputic thanks for the help and effort.
[08:13] <thoreauputic> StoffBox-Steve: yep - same result
[08:13] <thoreauputic> EvilSven: no worries :)
[08:14] <EvilSven> most stuff works, I'll wait for the official hoary and do a clean install, thanks again
[08:16] <BiteMeBill> StoffBox-Steve: That works nice.  I will have to make a note of it!  Thanks!!!
[08:16] <garrut> i'm running gnome 2.10 with a dual screen setup, my window list (which is in my panel on screen 1) contains the windows from screen #1 and screen #2, but i only want it to list the windows that are on screen #1, how do i accomplish that, it was working that way with my fedora setup
[08:17] <trygvebw> Is there anywhere i can find a list of the packages included on the Hoary CD?
[08:20] <garrut> trygvebw: http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/hoary/
[08:21] <trygvebw> thanks :)
[08:22] <kev0r> howdy how!
[08:22] <trygvebw> garrut: That is in Universe too. I was looking for a list of only the packages on the CD.
[08:23] <kev0r> short question: is it possible to install KDE next to gnome, and will it show up in the boot menu as another choice to boot?
[08:23] <Echylo> yes
[08:23] <echnaton> hi! iam changing from fedora to unbuntu!
[08:23] <Echylo> kev0r
[08:23] <Echylo> you don't "boot" into gnome
[08:23] <thoreauputic> kev0r: it will show in the login screen list, yes
[08:23] <kev0r> Echylo: you tried it?
[08:23] <trygvebw> echnaton, congrats :)
[08:23] <echnaton> is the preview 5.04 stable?
[08:23] <Echylo> yes I did
[08:23] <echnaton> iam downloading it
[08:23] <trygvebw> echnaton, yeah, mostly :)
[08:23] <kev0r> ok, so the gwm login screen will have a KDE login function?
[08:24] <Echylo> yup
[08:24] <kev0r> pwnd
[08:24] <kev0r> thanks
[08:24] <echnaton> WM is Gnome 2.8?
[08:24] <trygvebw> echnaton, no, 2.10
[08:24] <echnaton> cool
[08:24] <echnaton> i dont like fedora, because its very fat
[08:24] <echnaton> ^^
[08:24] <echnaton> an the kernel?
[08:24] <echnaton> 2.6.11?
[08:25] <CarinArr> hmm quick question.. i have an edimax pcmcia card, it says at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards that it "works with wep", what exactly does that mean?
[08:25] <echnaton> Blind Guardian rules
[08:25] <kev0r> there :P
[08:25] <trygvebw> CarinArr, That means that you can use it with the WEP encryption.
[08:26] <mackid> it's really a pain to install the nvidia driver without apt-get... lol
[08:26] <echnaton> which kernel is in 5.04?
[08:26] <CarinArr> oh.. hm. i thought it was some magical application;)
[08:27] <Xappe> echnaton, 2.6.10
[08:27] <phanter> Hello, I just installed ubuntu and I am impressed. Now the only thing I do not get is that the setup did not ask me for a root password. Now I want to use su in the terminal, but I have no password
[08:27] <echnaton> nice
[08:27] <mackid> phanter, use sudo -s
[08:28] <dieman> damnit, our mirror is down because facilities turned off the machine room a/c
[08:28] <dieman> luckily, the tds.net mirror is stupidly fast.
[08:28] <phanter> thanks! It works.
[08:28] <dieman> like 2500kB/s fast. :)
[08:29] <trygvebw> phanter: Ubuntu does not use "su", use "sudo program" or "sudo -i" instead.
[08:29] <phanter> oke, but why does this not work?
[08:29] <phanter>  sudo -s dpkg -i skype_1.0.0.7-1_i386.deb
[08:29] <phanter> /usr/bin/dpkg: /usr/bin/dpkg: cannot execute binary file
[08:30] <zenrox> phanter, try sudo dpkg -i skype*.deb
[08:30] <trygvebw> sudo dpkg -i skype*
[08:30] <trygvebw> "sudo -s" is to get a shell.
[08:30] <zenrox> yep
[08:31] <phanter> the asteriks does make any difference... I am used to work with debian, but I think this is a bit different (different but good !)
[08:31] <phanter> does not make any difference I meant
[08:31] <trygvebw> No, it should not be different.
[08:31] <zenrox> phanter, *= whatever
[08:31] <zenrox> its a wild card
[08:32] <trygvebw> Try running only "dpkg".
[08:32] <thoreauputic> phanter: tab completion does the same thing, basically
[08:32] <zenrox> thoreauputic, is right
[08:33] <phanter> trygvebw: does not work either (i feel ashamed now, somehow I jst thought this would work out of the box)
[08:33] <trygvebw> Hm.
[08:33] <garrut> if you give root a password you can just do it the way you used to
[08:33] <phanter> I got it to work... sorry for the dumb questions...
[08:33] <trygvebw> :P
[08:33] <trygvebw> What did you do?
[08:33] <dieman> ackh.  I didn't see the 'nvidia is broken' in the topic until now. sigh.
[08:34] <garrut> my nvidia works fine..
[08:34] <zenrox> mine does too with 7176 drivers
[08:34] <phanter> just did it wthout the sudo sommand... a bit strange but it works :>
[08:34] <StoffBox-Steve> update to 2.6.10-27 and nvidia will work fine again :D
[08:34] <zenrox> phanter, casue you were already in a root concole
[08:35] <garrut> can anyone help me with this:
[08:35] <garrut> i'm running gnome 2.10 with a dual screen setup, my window list (which is in my panel on screen 1) contains the windows from screen #1 and screen #2, but i only want it to list the windows that are on screen #1, how do i accomplish that, it was working that way with my fedora setup
[08:35] <dieman> StoffBox-Steve: nice, good
[08:35] <dieman> oh 7176 is out!?
[08:35] <dieman> rock.
[08:35] <dieman> need to update my mythtv box
[08:35] <zenrox> dieman, yep
[08:35] <dieman> Added support for XRandR rotation; see Appendix W in the text README.
[08:35] <dieman> YES!
[08:36] <zenrox> and better pci preformance
[08:36] <trygvebw> garrut: Right click on panel, select "Show Windows From Current Workspace" and click "Close".
[08:36] <zenrox> witch applyes to me
[08:36] <garrut> i did that
[08:36] <garrut> but it shows the windows from both screens
[08:37] <trygvebw> Have you restarted GNOME?
[08:37] <garrut> jep
[08:37] <echnaton> does anybody use enlightenment with unbuntu?
[08:38] <trygvebw> I have done.
[08:39] <echnaton> dr17?
[08:39] <trygvebw> No, 16
[08:40] <trygvebw> BUT
[08:40] <trygvebw> If you add these two lines to sources.list:
[08:40] <trygvebw> deb http://soulmachine.net/debian unstable/
[08:40] <trygvebw> #deb-src http://soulmachine.net/debian unstable/
[08:40] <trygvebw> 
[08:40] <trygvebw> You can install DR17.
[08:41] <kev0r> maybe remove the #?
[08:41] <trygvebw> woops ;)
[08:41] <echnaton> yes
[08:41] <trygvebw> But you don't normally need the deb-src
[08:41] <echnaton> ok
[08:41] <kev0r> no idd :)
[08:41] <echnaton> ay
[08:41] <kev0r> but just for the fuck of it
[08:41] <Gecko> I have followed every guide I could find, but I cannot seem to get my ati radeon mobility 9700 to use the 3d acceleration provided by the fglrx package. I am on amd64. Can anyone help me?
[08:41] <echnaton> -___-
[08:41] <scratchHead> are there any problems with hoary and vmware?  It says there are no disks?
[08:42] <trygvebw> Gecko: sudo apt-get install ati-fglrx
[08:42] <trygvebw> ?
[08:42] <LordGrunt> hi gecko :)
[08:43] <Gecko> LordGrunt, do I know you?
[08:43] <BiteMeBill> Is there no hoary backports?
[08:43] <trygvebw> BiteMeBill, yes, there are
[08:43] <trygvebw> http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[08:43] <lamont> BiteMeBill: but why not just run hoary?
[08:43] <LordGrunt> Gecko: oh, seems a misunderstanding :) Geck0 was the one i knew
[08:43] <BiteMeBill> trygvebw: Ok so they are way different than the warty backports?
[08:44] <Gecko> trygvebw, that was how I did it yes
[08:44] <trygvebw> BiteMeBill, what's the difference? :P
[08:44] <BiteMeBill> lamont: I was editing my source.list and renamed every warty to hoary and then came up with the error on the backports.
[08:44] <Gecko> trygvebw, the problem is that fglrxinfo says it uses mesa for gl
[08:44] <lamont> heh
[08:44] <trygvebw> Gecko, yeah...
[08:44] <reon> zenrox, my LimeWire is working on AMD64 !! yeah
[08:45] <LordGrunt> i switched from gnome to kde, upgraded to hoarty. and now i have one big mess with fonts. all apps that not use kde native windows have so small fonts i can hardly read them
[08:45] <LordGrunt> help!
[08:45] <lamont> BiteMeBill: which leads immediately to the question of how exactly one would backport something to a release that isn't even out yet....
[08:45] <trygvebw> Don't run fglrxconfig, only xorgconfig. Then edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf to the fglrx drivers.
[08:46] <echnaton> are there some good wallpaper?
[08:46] <echnaton> do you know a page?
[08:46] <Echylo> is there a better pdf reader as xpdf?
[08:46] <echnaton> ubuntu wallpaper?
[08:46] <Echylo> or is it as fast as it gets?
[08:47] <apokryphos> LordGrunt: I believe you can install gtk2-engines-gtk-qt and then edit fonts for gtk applications from kcontrol
[08:47] <BiteMeBill> trygvebw: warty was http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ubuntu/dists/warty-backports main universe   and I just changed the warty to hoary.
[08:48] <trygvebw> echnaton, the new Hoary official background is nice.
[08:48] <trygvebw> BiteMeBill, how can you backport something to the newest version???
[08:48] <echnaton> ill see
[08:48] <trygvebw> The backports are FROM hoary!
[08:48] <LordGrunt> apokryphos: these were not affected, i needed to run separate gnome control center to set font sizes. even kde fonts are too small
[08:49] <apokryphos> LordGrunt: you can't change the kde font size in kcontrol?
[08:49] <Echylo> anybody can advise me a better pdf reader then xpdf?
[08:49] <trygvebw> gpdf
[08:49] <garrut> what's wrong with xpdf?
[08:49] <trygvebw> It's ugly :P
[08:49] <echnaton> Echylo: Is there a reason to repeat the same question twice in 10 minutes?
[08:49] <Echylo> yes
[08:49] <garrut> yeah but it works better than gpdf
[08:50] <LordGrunt> yes, i can. i have set all to helvetica 12. and it is too small as for 12. apps like xchat or mozilla are not affected by these settings
[08:50] <Echylo> as now everybody answers
[08:50] <echnaton> ok
[08:50] <Echylo> and not ten minutes ago
[08:50] <thoreauputic> xpdf is quicker than gpdf in my experience
[08:50] <trygvebw> That's because they are GTK+ applications...'
[08:50] <trygvebw> '
[08:50] <echnaton> ok
[08:50] <echnaton> xpdf?
[08:50] <echnaton> xpdf?
[08:50] <echnaton> xpdf?
[08:50] <trygvebw> LordGrunt: You need to use the qt-gtk-skin...
[08:50] <billytwowilly> xpdf also seems to render better
[08:50] <Echylo> but it sleems slow
[08:50] <trygvebw> I thought they were using the same renderer?
[08:51] <billytwowilly> better than kghostview anyway.
[08:51] <Echylo> lol
[08:51] <apokryphos> LordGrunt: they're not affected because they're not kde programs :). Is it only fonts that are small, or is it your resolution that's increased?
[08:51] <trygvebw> If you use KDE, why not use Kubuntu?
[08:52] <raydogg> how come php-mysql isn't in the repository in hoary ?
[08:52] <LordGrunt> apokryphos: i have still 1024. but managed to get 75 Hz :)
[08:52] <neighborlee> there is a update ( update panel icon) for nvidia-glx but the version ( it says : new version available) is same as default install of 6629...anyone know whats up with this ?? ;-)
[08:52] <raydogg> php, and mysql are... but not the php-mysql connector
[08:52] <trygvebw> raydog: apt-get install php mysql
[08:52] <dremui> hi
[08:52] <echnaton> why does this release is named: "Hoary"
[08:52] <echnaton> ?
[08:52] <BiteMeBill> trygvebw: I don't know why but thought I would have basically the same sources list for hoary that I had for warty.  And the backports off the backports page doesn't give any error like the others did.
[08:52] <apokryphos> LordGrunt: cool
[08:52] <echnaton> why is...
[08:52] <echnaton> sry for grammer mistakes!
[08:52] <apokryphos> trygvebw: kubuntu is kde with ubuntu
[08:52] <dremui> i've a problem here with hoary
[08:53] <LordGrunt> apokryphos: but everytime i was changing fonts sizes for gtk, they were restored to default at startup
[08:53] <dremui> when it starts
[08:53] <thoreauputic> echnaton: why not?
[08:53] <thoreauputic> :)
[08:53] <raydogg> trygvebw, yes, but what about the php-mysql connector ?
[08:53] <apokryphos> LordGrunt: going big again, you mean?
[08:53] <dremui> while syncing clock with ubuntulinux.org it doesn't proceed
[08:53] <echnaton> it could be named: "Paris Hilto"
[08:53] <echnaton> n
[08:53] <echnaton> why "Hoary"
[08:53] <LordGrunt> apokryphos: going small again after restarts
[08:53] <apokryphos> LordGrunt: So, for clarification, are you having problems with *all* the fonts? Gtk/kde.
[08:53] <trygvebw> raydogg: You don't need it, just add PHP to the mysql and apache configs.
[08:53] <raydogg> ok
[08:53] <apokryphos> LordGrunt: ok, install the above mentioned package, and try changing the fonts there.
[08:54] <raydogg> i needed it for mandrake and redhat, that is why i aske.d
[08:54] <LordGrunt> apokryphos: gtk2-engines-gtk-qt?
[08:54] <dremui> is it possible to skip the clock synchronization ate startup?
[08:54] <trygvebw> The new GNOME backgrounds are nice :O
[08:54] <apokryphos> LordGrunt: yes
[08:54] <trygvebw> dremui: Press Ctrl+C
[08:54] <dremui> trygvebw not working
[08:55] <dremui> it stucks in the clock synchronization
[08:55] <thoreauputic> dremui: the easiest way is to do ctrl-c when you see it
[08:55] <dremui> doesn't show OK nor FAIL
[08:55] <Butters|XGH|Snip> Does anyone know how to enable FastWrite on an Nvidia card??  I had it once but I forgot how
[08:55] <trygvebw> dremui: It shouldn't!
[08:55] <Xappe> i've removed the ntp synch at boot...don't remember how though :P
[08:56] <LordGrunt> apokryphos: how to run this app then?
[08:56] <dremui> trygvebw i guess it shouldnt
[08:56] <Butters|XGH|Snip> I have FastWrite enabled in my BIOS... but I think there was an option for my X config or something isn't there?
[08:56] <apokryphos> LordGrunt: in kcontrol, now, under fonts you should be able to alter gtk fonts
[08:57] <LordGrunt> apokryphos: ahh, this way. thanks
[08:57] <trygvebw> What's the KDE theme package called in Ubuntu?
[08:57] <dremui> i press ctrl+C but nothing :(
[08:57] <apokryphos> trygvebw: kde theme package?
[08:57] <trygvebw> Butters|XGH|Snip, googled?
[08:57] <trygvebw> Yeah, i have some very ugly KDE programs ;)
[08:57] <Echylo> hmm, xpdf is pretty slow in here, anyone an idea to speed up in some way?
[08:57] <thoreauputic> dremui, Xappe: something like   ` sudo update-rc.d ntpdate remove `
[08:57] <gustavo_> hi
[08:58] <will> question about hoary - whats all this NOT AUTHENTICATED stuff?
[08:58] <apokryphos> trygvebw: what would that be? A package with themes?
[08:58] <Xappe> thoreauputic, something like that, yes :)
[08:58] <gustavo_> is there a guide on how to enable composite on hoary? i already edited xorg.conf but if doesnt change anything (im on the preview release of hoary)
[08:58] <raydogg> how come when i installed mysql its not lsitening on port 3306, but I can connect via local sockets /
[08:58] <trygvebw> Will: That's Restricted and Multiverse packages, nothing to be afraid of.
[08:58] <trygvebw> apokryphos, yeah.
[08:59] <will> trygvebw: not some scare tatic?
[08:59] <apokryphos> trygvebw: erm, there isn't really one. All themes for kde you can get from kde-look.org. There's probably a few floating around, but no specific one with a bundle, I don't think.
[08:59] <trygvebw> will, no :P
[08:59] <will> good! thanks
[08:59] <pet1> how can I add a launcher to the Applcations menu in hoary? nautilus applications:/// don't work anymore :(
[08:59] <trygvebw> apokryphos, what about the standard KDE themes?
[08:59] <thoreauputic> will: you can use apt-key to get the keys
[08:59] <trygvebw> pet1, it's not possible, you have to wait for a menu editor.
[09:00] <pet1> :(
[09:00] <zenrox> pet1, or do it manuly
[09:00] <pet1> how?
[09:00] <apokryphos> trygvebw: they're all there, they come with kdelibs/base.
[09:00] <trygvebw> ok
[09:00] <zenrox> pet1,  dont ask me
[09:00] <trygvebw> apokryphos, thanks for your help :)
[09:00] <zenrox> i just make a new launcher on my bar
[09:00] <apokryphos> np
[09:00] <trygvebw> pet1, google. You have to edit a file.
[09:01] <LordGrunt> apokryphos: i stumbled upon another problem: im unable to run mplayer :( i'll pm you error message
[09:02] <Echylo> you use warty LordGrunt ?
[09:02] <Echylo> I think it's a common problem that mplayer doesn't works
[09:02] <Echylo> in hoary it's fixed
[09:02] <apokryphos> LordGrunt: did you install mplayer as suggested in the RestrictedFormats wiki?
[09:02] <apokryphos> he's on hoary
[09:02] <LordGrunt> nope, just installed package
[09:03] <LordGrunt> but its not only mplayer's problem
[09:03] <LordGrunt> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[09:03] <LordGrunt> Xlib: No protocol specified
[09:03] <trygvebw> LordGrunt: DO NOT run mplayer as root!
[09:04] <LordGrunt> trygvebw: i alwas do that :P
[09:04] <trygvebw> :P
[09:04] <LordGrunt> trygvebw: and it was alwas working fine
[09:04] <reon> Codecs for AMD64 ??? Anybody ???
[09:04] <thoreauputic> LordGrunt: NEVER run X apps as root , unless specified for config etc
[09:05] <trygvebw> If you have to, write "xhost +localhost" before being root.
[09:05] <LordGrunt> i got the same error msg when running game client which used sdl
[09:05] <gustav_> pet1: you have to make a [your application] .desktop file in /usr/share/applications then you can look at the other .desktop files to see what to write in it
[09:05] <LordGrunt> and again, this game was alwas going fine on root
[09:05] <thoreauputic> LordGrunt: of course you did
[09:06] <gustav_> pet1: It's not that hard
[09:06] <pet1> gustav_: thanks.
[09:06] <thoreauputic> LordGrunt: read our lips: root is for administration
[09:07] <LordGrunt> and irc is for helipng other, yea ;)
[09:07] <devazion> My ntfs partition is read only, it has the same settings as my fat32 drives in fstab except that it uses ntfs instead of vfat... the folder settings is the same but still i only have read access on all users with the vfat folders... i have tried to change the folder to 755 but it dont work since it say its readonly... is the ntfs driver shitting me or how do i get access from all users?
[09:08] <thoreauputic> LordGrunt: it *is* helping you to warn you not to run stuff as root
[09:08] <trygvebw> NTFS is only READ, not WRITE
[09:08] <Echylo> lool
[09:08] <Echylo> read his lips
[09:08] <Echylo> :p
[09:08] <raydogg> trans_err, I did need the module, I added the universe and multiverse repositories, and I found it in there, but thanks anyway
[09:08] <raydogg> the one for php-mysql
[09:09] <LordGrunt> thoreauputic: save your time, what was working, needs to work still. that's all i asked
[09:09] <trans_err> raydogg: yikes, how long ago was that?
[09:09] <trygvebw> If you NEED NTFS read accces, use the CaptiveNTFS driver.
[09:09] <trans_err> trygvebw: you mean write
[09:09] <devazion> trygvebw: doh, i never said i was going to write it dummer... i said i cant even get read access with all users since there is no way to change privilegies
[09:09] <trygvebw> Yes, of course :P
[09:09] <raydogg> lol sorry trans_err, i meant trygvebw
[09:09] <trans_err> raydogg: heh- no problem
[09:10] <tizen> devazion: add a umask=0222
[09:10] <trygvebw> devazion: append "user" to the fstab entry
[09:10] <Xappe> ntfs write is almost like ntfs destroy
[09:10] <trygvebw> No, not the CaptiveNTFS drivers. They are quite stable.
[09:11] <thoreauputic> LordGrunt:  google "mit-magic-cookie"
[09:11] <thoreauputic> later, all ! :)
[09:11] <Sav> is it possible to mount windows share with read/write ?
[09:12] <trygvebw> Sav: SAMBA? Yeah.
[09:12] <Sav> trygvebw, im mounting in fstab, smbfs, any suggestions of command?
[09:12] <larsrohdin> hi, i just installed the fglrx-drivers for ati-cards (9200SE)... but now i cant play my videos in fullscreen? whats wrong?
[09:13] <trygvebw> larsrohdin, what happens when you try to play the videos?
[09:13] <larsrohdin> i can play them alright but not in fullscreen...
[09:13] <trygvebw> Yeah, but what happens? Does it crash?
[09:13] <motuline> If I install java and install plug-in for firefox.. can opera use it to?
[09:14] <larsrohdin> if i press "F" for fullscreen, the picture is still tiny...
[09:14] <trygvebw> Hm.
[09:14] <trygvebw> Have you tried restarting GNOME?
[09:14] <larsrohdin> yes, it was a couple of days ago...
[09:14] <kotatsu> how does one go about getting midi playback to work? never had a need for it and someone is asking me how to do it =x
[09:15] <larsrohdin> i could use fullscreen when i used the old driver
[09:15] <trygvebw> hm
[09:16] <gustavo_> so, anybody knows how to enable xcomposite in hoary?
[09:17] <larsrohdin> trygvebw, any ideas?
[09:17] <trygvebw> hm
[09:17] <cavediver> Hi. I'm looking for a good dm-crypt howto. I also want to know which encription algorithms are included in ubuntu pre-compiled kernels.
[09:18] <trygvebw> No ideas. Do you need the ATI driver? The OSS Radeon driver is working fine for everything except for 3D.
[09:18] <LordGrunt> apokryphos: there is nothing new in kde control panel in fonts area
[09:18] <LordGrunt> apokryphos: need to restart kde?
[09:19] <apokryphos> LordGrunt: nope. kcontrol > Appearance & Themes > GTK Styles and Fonts isn't there?
[09:20] <LordGrunt> apokryphos: lol, yes, they are here
[09:20] <larsrohdin> how do i install the old graphic-driver? i mean the one that came with Ubuntu... fglrx isn't working to great for me...
[09:21] <MyKq3> how can i install norton comander on ubuntu ?
[09:21] <MyKq3> should i just type aptget install ncc?
[09:21] <MyKq3> mcc?
[09:22] <LordGrunt> apokryphos: thanks and all, going to reboot. cu later
[09:25] <larsrohdin> whats the graphic-driver that comes with ubuntu called?
[09:25] <mjr> um, XFree86 / X.org?
[09:25] <Anubis> what?
[09:25] <Anubis> those are not drivers
[09:25] <larsrohdin> mjr, sorry Xfree86
[09:25] <mjr> no, but the drivers are a part of them
[09:26] <larsrohdin> i installed fglrx and its not working to good for me... i want the old back
[09:26] <Boomstickz> try radeon
[09:26] <Boomstickz> I think thats the one for ATI
[09:27] <Xappe> or 'ati'
[09:27] <larsrohdin> Boomstickz, no, thats the one i have no... i don't want it anymore
[09:27] <mjr> yes; and also, removing the fglrx packages might(?) be required since they might(?) overwrite some libraries
[09:27] <mjr> no, fglrx != radeon
[09:28] <larsrohdin> but if i remove fglrx, will the old driver work then?
[09:28] <HiddenWolf> larsrohdin: only if you update your xorg.conf
[09:34] <speedy2782> I just loaded a bunch of themes from synaptic but...how do I find them with the theme changer?
[09:34] <andreasv1> hi. is it ok to do an apt-get upgrade from warty to hoary? or should one format and re-install?
[09:34] <DarthFrog> andreasv1: It's OK.
[09:34] <Thom_Holwerda> you can do an apt-get dist-upgrade, but first you have to alter the sources.list accordingly
[09:34] <apokryphos> andreasv1: it's fine; just change your sources.list and you're good to go.
[09:34] <deFrysk> andreasv1, when final is out one should be able to upgrade flawlessly
[09:35] <andreasv1> cool
[09:35] <Thom_Holwerda> isnt he supposed to do dist-upgrade?
[09:35] <Thom_Holwerda> and not ordinary upgrade
[09:35] <apokryphos> yup
[09:35] <Thom_Holwerda> ok, just to confirm
[09:35] <andreasv1> unfortunately divx and mp3 still don't work out of the box in hoary ....
[09:35] <neighborlee> are there archive managers for gnome other than file-roller ?
[09:35] <apokryphos> andreasv1: yup, but it's very easy to get around.
[09:36] <apokryphos> andreasv1: there's an article on the wiki that talks through what you need to do.
[09:36] <andreasv1> and gpdf isn't there, why is that?
[09:36] <andreasv1> I know how to fix it
[09:39] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> can someone help me use cdrdao
[09:43] <Boomstickz> Sw0rdsavy: i'd just grab k3b man, saves alot of time hehehe
[09:44] <HenrikLynggaard> anyone here tried building mozilla on ubuntu ? for me it builds but its segfaults at startup
[09:44] <cowbud> why the hell would you want to build mozilla?
[09:44] <devazion> Dont matter, he wanted to.. Dont flame please
[09:44] <HenrikLynggaard> to hack on it ?!
[09:44] <speedy2782> does internet explorer work in ubuntu
[09:45] <Boomstickz> yes, in wine
[09:45] <devazion> speedy2782: theoretically yes
[09:45] <garrut> wtf
[09:45] <AngryClip> speedy2782:  works out of the box in cxoffice
[09:45] <Boomstickz> Speedy2782: Check this out http://frankscorner.org/index.php?p=ie6
[09:46] <cowbud> hahah
[09:47] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> Boomstickz, i would but i need to burn a .bin file
[09:48] <speedy2782> ok, that is too much work for just a few files. Is there anyway to get firefox to view http://pluto.bus.oregonstate.edu/public/College%20of%20Business/Classes/BA%20469%20-%20Dibrell/?Cmd=courseview
[09:49] <haselden> oregon state in da house
[09:49] <mjr> righto; gnome seems much more finnished in hoary after installing the finnish language support files ;)
[09:49] <cowbud> haselden: yah but if it was PSU the shit would work in a mozilla based browser :-P
[09:49] <j^> [CX] -sw0rdsavy http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Cdrdao
[09:49] <speedy2782> PSU...not really
[09:50] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> thanks
[09:50] <speedy2782> I am curious if that website is veiwable with firefox
[09:50] <cowbud> uhh load it in firefox and see
[09:50] <Boomstickz> I can view the site, but not that page
[09:50] <speedy2782> right
[09:50] <haselden> not working for me
[09:50] <speedy2782> that is my problem
[09:50] <speedy2782> haselden: are you are OSU?
[09:50] <haselden> if i recall it's like and exchange server
[09:50] <haselden> i graduated last march
[09:50] <speedy2782> ah
[09:50] <speedy2782> sweet action
[09:50] <speedy2782> this june for me
[09:50] <haselden> be down wed for the game
[09:51] <haselden> :)
[09:51] <speedy2782> just finished my finals today
[09:51] <speedy2782> yeah baby!
[09:51] <raydogg> sweet, now you can help with ubuntu development
[09:52] <Anubis> when are they going to fix the clear recent documents cmd in Gnome?
[09:52] <AndyR> lo all
[09:52] <AndyR> o/
[09:54] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> j^, i cant get it to open my device
[09:54] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> how can i tell which value to put in
[09:55] <j^> [CX] -sw0rdsavy cdrdao scanbus
[09:55] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> eh yea its not giveing any results
[09:56] <haselden> speedy....you just trying to download a few files?
[09:57] <j^> [CX] -sw0rdsavy you can always try --device /dev/cdrom
[09:57] <kev0r> Arg, just installed KDE next to Gnome, now my sound is all fucky, strange beeping sounds come out of my spaekers
[09:57] <kev0r> no normal sound
[09:57] <kev0r> anyone an idea how to correct this problem?
[09:57] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> oh ok
[09:58] <edgarin> Hello
[09:58] <edgarin> i have a ubuntu
[09:58] <kev0r> hi
[09:58] <kev0r> great :)
[09:58] <edgarin> connected with a network windows
[09:58] <edgarin> ok..
[09:58] <edgarin> in one computer windows
[09:58] <speedy2782> haselden: All of my professors websites are on that server...so I need to figure a way to get it working with that server
[09:59] <kev0r> Echylo: You installed KDE next to gnome, did you have any sound problems???
[09:59] <edgarin> exist one printer and...the printer is canon bjc-1000 and in my ubuntu i want install the printer
[09:59] <edgarin> but... when try install the printer
[09:59] <Echylo> kev0r I didn't actually used KDE, I was glad it installed
[09:59] <edgarin> with gnome-cups-manager
[09:59] <Echylo> but removed it quicker as it was installed
[09:59] <kev0r> don't use it now too
[09:59] <edgarin> the installation
[09:59] <edgarin> not work
[09:59] <kev0r> but my sound under gnome is crapped up
[10:00] <Echylo> well I removed kde cause it gave troubles with updating to hoary
[10:00] <Echylo> it still does btw
[10:00] <Echylo> I always get weird messages
[10:00] <Echylo> when updating or installing packages
[10:00] <edgarin> the button Apply not work
[10:00] <Echylo> it installs them and they work
[10:00] <kev0r> i thought Hoary was an old version of Warty
[10:00] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> thanks j^ got it working
[10:00] <Echylo> lol kev0r :)
[10:00] <will> ah im having dependecy problems with mozilla-firefox after upgrading to hoary!
[10:01] <Echylo> it's a beta version
[10:01] <Echylo> or was
[10:01] <kev0r> of the next
[10:01] <kev0r> ok
[10:01] <kev0r> :D
[10:01] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> /dev/hdd: IDE-CD R/RW 4x4x24    Rev: 1.04
[10:01] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> Using driver: Generic SCSI-3/MMC - Version 2.0 (options 0x0000)
[10:01] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> WARNING: Unit not ready, still trying...
[10:01] <kev0r> now only to regain my leet sound
[10:01] <kev0r> maybe I've to do the unthinkable
[10:01] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> its flooding the screen with that now :(
[10:01] <kev0r> reboot...
[10:01] <garrut> NOOOOooooo
[10:01] <kev0r> yyy
[10:01] <kev0r> YYYY
[10:01] <kev0r> the pain :9
[10:01] <kev0r> don't wanna restart all those modules manual
[10:02] <kev0r> is there a quick command to restart 'm all atonce? :)
[10:02] <garrut> just put 'em in /etc/modules
[10:03] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> j^ could it be because ubuntu auto mounts a cd
[10:03] <kev0r> yeh but my sound is f-ed
[10:03] <kev0r> bet i'll work again once I restart my alsa module
[10:03] <j^> [CX] -sw0rdsavy no idea, it works here
[10:03] <kev0r> if it even is a module lol
[10:04] <kev0r> bbl, gotta reboot
[10:05] <mjr> argh
[10:07] <kev0r> LOL
[10:07] <kev0r> rebooted, modules loading...
[10:07] <kev0r> alsamixer loads BEEEEEEEEp
[10:07] <kev0r> sound gets instafucked
[10:09] <mjr> bugger with this firmware stuff
[10:09] <mjr> informative error messages might be nice
[10:10] <_ale> anyone having locales problems?
[10:10] <jnk> do you _ale  ?
[10:11] <_ale> yes, 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' says that locales are broken or not fully installed
[10:12] <Nafallo> where can I find the term_type setting in irssi-text?
[10:12] <_ale> and 'apt-get install localeconf' says that package not found
[10:12] <_ale> don't know what else i could try
[10:12] <xerox> 'lo again.
[10:13] <_ale> it would be nice if someone could help me out a bit
[10:13] <xerox> I read on <http://mlf.linux.rulez.org/mlf/ezaz/ntfsresize.html> that Ubuntu Hoary has NTFS-resize. So, can I do resize my main NTFS partition during the installation process? (I do have just downloaded: hoary-live-i386.iso)
[10:14] <jnk> _ale, hang on...
[10:14] <_ale> ok
[10:14] <larsrohdin> i saw that they've released a preview version of hoary now, but is it stable?
[10:15] <queuetue> larsrohdin, I've been running hoary for a wek or so as my primary workstations - I'm very happy with it.
[10:16] <kev0r> Can anyone help me with this, alsa thinks i have some strange chipset on my card, is there a way to let alsa recheck what chipset my card has?
[10:16] <apokryphos> larsrohdin: the majority of people in here are using it, yes, quite stable.
[10:16] <speedy2782> so, i-pod and ubuntu..anyone tackle that before?
[10:17] <larsrohdin> queuetue, ok...because i had some troubles with it the last time i upgraded... if i don't like it, can i "downgrade" to warty, in the same way i upgrade to hoary?
[10:17] <queuetue> larsrohdin, I would not expect that to work, but I am not a debian expert.
[10:18] <Jeezis> i have a question about some problems with ubuntu on a sager 9860-s
[10:18] <larsrohdin> ok...
[10:18] <Jeezis> the package managers (both synaptic and ubuntu) dont download the updates
[10:19] <larsrohdin> queuetue, whats the file with sources called?
[10:20] <Jeezis> Failed to run /usr/bin/update-manager as user root:
[10:20] <queuetue> larsrohdin, it's /etc/apt/sources.list, but if you don't know that, maybe you shouldn't...
[10:21] <Jeezis>  Child terminated with 165 status
[10:21] <Jeezis> wtf does that mean?
[10:21] <larsrohdin> ive done it once before, i just could'nt remember the name of the file=)
[10:21] <kev0r> nobody here that knows how to help me :(
[10:22] <Anubis> when are they going to fix the clear recent documents cmd in Gnome?
[10:24] <Echylo> what's wrong with it Anubis
[10:24] <tritium> Anubis, what do you mean?
[10:25] <Marble2> how do I add a bookmark to ssh so I can type say "ssh server" instead of "ssh user@ip"
[10:25] <Jeezis> soo, can anyone tell me what this error message means?
[10:26] <Jeezis>  Failed to run /usr/bin/update-manager as user root:
[10:26] <Jeezis> Child terminated with 165 status
[10:26] <crimsun> Marble2: you can do that already if your user on the remote machine is identical to the current one
[10:26] <Marble2> how?
[10:28] <mdke> ping mdz
[10:28] <Marble2> crimsun: How would i do that?
[10:28] <crimsun> Marble2: do the users match?
[10:28] <Marble2> yes
[10:28] <Marble2> but I mean like a name, not the ip
[10:28] <BiteMeBill> Is synaptic not in Hoary?
[10:28] <crimsun> BiteMeBill: yes it is, why?
[10:29] <cg_> Hi all,  is there a command to see al the software installed in a system??
[10:29] <Nafallo> Marble2: ssh host as the which is the same.
[10:29] <larsrohdin> when the hoary cd comes from ship-it... can i upgrade using that? it would take a couple of days for me to do it from the web...
[10:29] <mdke> cg_, dpkg -l
[10:29] <jnk> cg_, dpkg --get-selections
[10:29] <crimsun> larsrohdin: yes
[10:29] <BiteMeBill> crimsun: I just updated to it and now can't find it in any of the menus.
[10:29] <cg_> thanks
[10:29] <mdz> mdke: ?
[10:29] <Marble2> Nafallo: huh?
[10:29] <mdke> mdz, sorry to disturb, i sent you a query
[10:30] <larsrohdin> crimsun, ok good... whats up btw? haven't seen you here in a long time=) i remember you helped me alot when i was new at this=)
[10:30] <Nafallo> Marble2: the host doesn't got a resolvable name?
[10:30] <Nafallo> Marble2: if not, you could add it to /etc/hosts
[10:30] <Marble2> yes it does...
[10:31] <Marble2> what I want is like, you know how in lftp you can add a bookmark?
[10:31] <crimsun> larsrohdin: I'm here occasionally ;-)
[10:31] <Marble2> so you ca just connect to the bookmarks name instead of putting in the ip...
[10:31] <Marble2> i want to do that in ssh
[10:31] <Marble2> is it possible?
[10:31] <crimsun> Marble2: see Nafallo's suggestion regarding /etc/hosts
[10:31] <mdke> hi all. If I wish to order some hoary cds from shipit, and I already got some warty cds, do I just increase the number of cds I want? or is there some way to clear the form?
[10:31] <netpuppy> is it possible to check the integrity of all installed packages?
[10:31] <larsrohdin> crimsun, you know, im getting quite good at this now;)
[10:31] <netpuppy> (no files has changed)
[10:31] <Nafallo> Marble2: well, you don't need bookmarks there. ssh server would resolve server to an ip.
[10:32] <Marble2> ah
[10:32] <larsrohdin> no time to sleep... good night y'all
[10:33] <hinni> Hallo! Is there anybody who is able and willing to help a total newbie to get Kubuntu started after login? *smile*
[10:33] <mdke> hi all. If I wish to order some hoary cds from shipit, and I already got some warty cds, do I just increase the number of cds I want? or is there some way to clear the form?
[10:33] <mdke> whoops
[10:33] <mdke> sorry for repeating so soon
[10:34] <Marble2> ok Nafallo, i got that working
[10:34] <Nafallo> Marble2: :-)
[10:34] <Marble2> one more thing though. how can I make it so it automatically sends the server my password
[10:34] <Marble2> I don't have to enter it in the prompt
[10:34] <Nafallo> Marble2: man ssh-keygen
[10:35] <mdke> hmm
[10:35] <BiteMeBill> crimsun: are you sure it's still in Hoary?
[10:36] <Nafallo> mdke: dunno if mako has hoary-ordering working yet. I haven't seen an announce about it...
[10:36] <mdke> oh cool np
[10:36] <tritium> Marble2, did you check out the ssh manpage?  You probably should...
[10:37] <StoffBox-Steve> BiteMeBill: can you load it form the console ?
[10:37] <BiteMeBill> Not sure if I am miss spelling it or not.  But it's not coming up./
[10:37] <kev0r> Anyone here that knows how I can change the chipset in Alsamixer?
[10:38] <StoffBox-Steve> BiteMeBill: > sudo synaptic
[10:38] <crimsun> gksudo synaptic
[10:38] <Marble2> tritium: do you have a link?
[10:38] <Riddell> hinni: try saying your problem in #kubuntu
[10:38] <BiteMeBill> Command not found
[10:38] <Marble2> never mind, google got it
[10:38] <hinni> thanks @riddell :-)
[10:39] <tritium> Marble2, you can read manpages from the command line.  e.g. "man ssh"
[10:39] <Marble2> oh ok
[10:39] <hinni> Cu!
[10:39] <Marble2> uh BiteMeBill, go to System->Administration-> Synaptic package manager
[10:39] <StoffBox-Steve> BiteMeBill: you must use sudo -- " steve@StoffBox:~ $ sudo synaptic "
[10:39] <mjr> bugger
[10:39] <BiteMeBill> crimsun: whats up with the gksudo?
[10:39] <mjr> no TV on the Hoary kernel :(
[10:40] <BiteMeBill> gksudo works but not sudo
[10:40] <StoffBox-Steve> hmm sudo works for me
[10:40] <BiteMeBill> Marble2: It's not there in Hoary.
[10:40] <Nafallo> hmm, mako HAS hoary-ordering online :-P
[10:40] <crimsun> BiteMeBill: gksudo is the preferred method for executing gui apps that need root privileges.
[10:40] <BiteMeBill> StoffBox-Steve: Are you running Warty or Hoary?
[10:40] <woodwizzle> Is there a way I can tell nautilus that I want to be sudoes?
[10:41] <R0bNyc> I have to do sudo su , not just sud o
[10:41] <tritium> BiteMeBill, it's definitely in Hoary
[10:41] <BiteMeBill> crimsun:  Ok that makes sense.  wonder why they made that change?
[10:41] <crimsun> BiteMeBill: "change?" It has been the preferred method for quite some time.
[10:41] <Nafallo> R0bNyc: tried sudo -s?
[10:42] <R0bNyc> nat yet
[10:42] <BiteMeBill> the only way I can run it is gksudo synaptic it's not in the administration menu.
[10:42] <R0bNyc> but a
[10:42] <R0bNyc> am*
[10:42] <BiteMeBill> crimsun: in warty all I needed was sudo.  But in Hoary it wants the gksudo.
[10:42] <Nafallo> R0bNyc: -s tells it to open a shell :-)
[10:42] <R0bNyc> lol so its gonna open another 1 ?
[10:43] <jnk> woodwizzle, what do you mean?
[10:43] <crimsun> BiteMeBill: gksudo has always been preferred.
[10:43] <BiteMeBill> ok
[10:43] <raydogg> they need to add gaim-encryption to the repository
[10:44] <crimsun> raydogg: it is in the repo.
[10:44] <Nafallo> R0bNyc: well, sudo is a way of changing user more or less. I would think it reuses the current shell.
[10:44] <R0bNyc> so how do u become root ?
[10:44] <Nafallo> R0bNyc: su on the other hand is to run a extra program.
[10:44] <jnk> sudo -s
[10:44] <BiteMeBill> grrr...  Child terminated wiht 1 status...  Were permisions changed?
[10:44] <crimsun> raydogg: 2.34-0ubuntu2 0 500 http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe Packages
[10:45] <Nafallo> R0bNyc: sudo -s gives the shell root privilegies :-).
[10:45] <R0bNyc> i see
[10:45] <woodwizzle> jnk, well lets say I want to do some file management in a directory that I don't have permissions to do so unless I'm root
[10:45] <raydogg> crimsun, I had to download it, i added the repos, and did a search, the only thing that came up was gaim
[10:45] <Nafallo> R0bNyc: sudo -u www-data -s gives you a shell as www-data etcetera :-).
[10:46] <crimsun> raydogg: are you running hoary/
[10:47] <jnk> woodwizzle, well you can start a nautilus as root but this is certainly not recommended :)
[10:47] <BiteMeBill> UGH!  Don't tell me I just hosed my install!  LOL
[10:47] <woodwizzle> jnk, yeah I know =). It would be nice if I try to edit or move a file like that if I got a lil' dialog box that asks for roots password
[10:48] <jnk> woodwizzle, maybe this is possible with a nautilus script...
[10:48] <huz> hello is gstreamer0.8-lame still avalaible ? I'ld like to encode mp3 w/ sound-juicer
[10:48] <crimsun> huz: wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[10:51] <Xappe> does graveman support burning of bin/cue isos?
[10:52] <dabi> anyone know svcd burning tool?
[10:52] <Nili> Hello!
[10:52] <Nili> Anyone active?
[10:54] <BiteMeBill> Can anyone tell me in Hoary where Synaptic is located at in the filesystem?  I tried a sudo find -name synaptic and it came up blank.
[10:54] <jnk> Xappe, it seems it does not
[10:54] <jnk> but you can convert it to an iso
[10:54] <jnk> (not with graveman)
[10:55] <xerox> WOW, the live cd is IMPRESSIVE.
[10:55] <jnk> BiteMeBill, dpkg -L synaptic
[10:55] <Nermal> duh.. ;)
[10:55] <dabi> BiteMeBill: /usr/sbin/synaptic
[10:55] <xerox> The *only* live CD who get the correct resolution, 1280x800, 16:9 monitor, on my laptop.
[10:55] <xerox> That's GREAT.
[10:55] <dabi> BiteMeBill: gksudo /usr/sbin/synaptic
[10:55] <koen_> how can i show hidden files/directory's ?
[10:55] <Nermal> its BASIC... it's just ubuntu bothered to get it right :)
[10:55] <Nermal> koen_: ls -la
[10:56] <Nafallo> 16:10?
[10:56] <xerox> I'll install it tomorrow, wow, really impressive, guys.
[10:56] <caliber> How can I change apache from trying to look for everything in /var/www/apache2-default instead of /var/www ??
[10:56] <BiteMeBill> dabi: are you showing it there?
[10:56] <njs12345> caliber: look in /etc/apache2
[10:56] <njs12345> I seem to remember the conf option is called DocumentRoot, but I might be wrong
[10:56] <dabi> BiteMeBill: the bin..
[10:56] <tritium> koen_, or just ls -a
[10:56] <caliber> njs12345: ill look, thanks
[10:57] <BiteMeBill> caliber: need to edit your apache2.conf
[10:57] <caliber> thanks guys
[10:57] <Nafallo> caliber: no.
[10:57] <koen_> thanks nermal & tritium, how about searching hidden files ?
[10:57] <Funraiser> I like to think that "Ghost in the Shell" refers to the shell of an OS, so elaborate that a "spirit" of its own, hence a Ghost, lives within. Somebody shares that?
[10:57] <koen_> i must find something like ltris.conf
[10:57] <Nafallo> caliber: you need to edit /etc/apache2/sites-avalible/default
[10:57] <koen_> but i guess its hidde
[10:58] <caliber> Nafallo: ill check that now. thanks
[10:58] <WillCooke> Hi guys, Anyone know much about encoding to xvid/divx/mp4?
[10:58] <jnk> mencoder / ffmpeg
[10:58] <njs12345> WillCooke: use theora!
[10:58] <Nafallo> s/avalible/available/
[10:58] <njs12345> you can use gst-launch for that as well
[10:58] <shadeofgrey> home sweet home...
[10:58] <Nermal> koen_: is it in ~/.ltris ?
[10:58] <BiteMeBill> dabi:  I show synclient and syndaemon but when I run gksudo synaptic it does nothing at all.
[10:59] <koen_> nermal, no doesnt show it
[10:59] <WillCooke> njs12345, Can't got to be able to play it on my dvd  (+divx) player! :(
[10:59] <koen_> cant find it either
[10:59] <tritium> BiteMeBill, do you have it installed?
[10:59] <koen_> but im not sure if the 'find' command searches hidden files aswell
[10:59] <njs12345> ah.. sucks
[10:59] <Nermal> koen_: locate ?
[10:59] <dieman> mmm
[10:59] <njs12345> theora rules and isn't patent encoded
[10:59] <BiteMeBill> tritium: it was while it was Warty but I just did a dist-upgrade and now it seems that it isn't there.
[10:59] <njs12345> but still, I think you can use gst-launch
[10:59] <dieman> my upgrade to hoary worked great, yay
[11:00] <koen_> locate isnt a known command
[11:00] <Nermal> :)
[11:00] <Xappe> jnk, i know, but bin/cue support would be nice for my legally questionable images...
[11:00] <tritium> BiteMeBill, dpkg -l | grep synaptic will tell you
[11:00] <djp> ok, so on advice from an esteemed member of this forum (at least that is my opinion), i am about to use Gnomebaker as my burnung software of choice. does everyone else feel the same way? or would you go mad and put a kde app in with your loverly gnome in the shape of k3b?
[11:00] <jnk> Xappe, sure :)
[11:00] <koen_> on my vectorlinux install ./ltris was in my ~ dir
[11:00] <Vjaz> Anyone else have a problem with the desktop not updating in Hoary?
[11:00] <jnk> Vjaz, yes
[11:00] <Vjaz> Known problem?
[11:00] <Vjaz> Is it in Hoary or Gnome?
[11:00] <jnk> I think I've read this has someting to do with the daemon that monitors changes
[11:01] <BiteMeBill> tritium it still says it's there.
[11:01] <caliber> Nafallo: That was it.. perfect.. thanks :>
[11:01] <tritium> BiteMeBill, dpkg -L synaptic will tell you where the files in the package are
[11:01] <dieman> djp: i usually just end up using nautilus these days or do it by hand :)
[11:01] <jnk> Vjaz, gnome I think
[11:01] <Nafallo> caliber: happy to help :-)
[11:01] <koen_> any knows where the ltris conf file is located ?
[11:01] <Vjaz> jnk: That's odd, because Hoary's Gnome is supposedly stable (2.10).
[11:02] <tritium> koen_, look for a hidden directory
[11:02] <BiteMeBill> hmmm..  /etc/X11/sysconfig/synaptic.desktop
[11:02] <koen_> just found it. Weird that it didnt show up at first
[11:02] <tritium> BiteMeBill, the binary is in /usr/sbin
[11:02] <tritium> koen_, maybe you missed it ;)
[11:02] <BiteMeBill> tritium: no it's not it's not there.
[11:02] <koen_> yeah could be :)
[11:03] <koen_> thanks for the help
[11:03] <tritium> BiteMeBill, excerpt from dpkg -L synaptic: /usr/sbin/synaptic
[11:03] <djp> dieman: for creating multisession cd's?
[11:03] <shadeofgrey> is the 2.0 beta of OO ready for distribution thru apt-get system?
[11:04] <zubunt> Hello
[11:04] <tritium> Anubis, you're right.  Recent Documents lists doesn't get cleared
[11:04] <tritium> shadeofgrey, no, but a 1.9.76 beta version is
[11:05] <zubunt> I have a small problem with the thrash applet. Somehow it utilizes allmost all of my cpu,
[11:05] <speedy2782> Why is KDE the most popular?
[11:05] <Nermal> its not
[11:06] <j-rock_> depends on who you ask, i say that gnome AND kde suck
[11:07] <pepsi> your favorite somethingorother sucks.. mine is better
[11:07] <pepsi> i win
[11:07] <j-rock_> exactly
[11:07] <j-rock_> thats what everyone is going to say
[11:07] <j-rock_> so there is no point in asking, you just have to try them all and decide for yourself
[11:07] <zubunt> No, i like gnoem :-)
[11:07] <zubunt> gnome
[11:07] <pepsi> heh
[11:08] <jnk> Vjaz, do you have gamin installed?
[11:08] <tritium> BiteMeBill, did you find it?
[11:09] <jnk> you're escaping the question... kde probably is used by more people... for now
[11:09] <BiteMeBill> tritium: brb phone
[11:10] <j-rock_> heh, i still wouldnt know, i don't poll the general linux population, i stick with my elitist prick friends
[11:10] <j-rock_> :)
[11:10] <jnk> maybe because it existed before gnome, and because many linux/unix users like to have a ton of options direcly accessible
[11:10] <speedy2782> Oh, I was just reading that KDE was 2x more popular than gnome, so I was asking if anyone knew why?
[11:10] <j-rock_> no idea why
[11:10] <Nermal> bit out of date
[11:10] <Nermal> kde 3.4 is current
[11:10] <j-rock_> i think that qt is easier to code, but gtk actually looks a bit better
[11:11] <mjr> Perhaps it is. KDE got a head start
[11:11] <Nermal> kde is pretty hideous :|
[11:11] <zubunt> I don't think that kde is twice as popular as gnome.
[11:11] <j-rock_> things will get more interesting when qt and gtk start including 3d functions as part of their kits
[11:11] <j-rock_> kde and gnome are hideous, taskbars . . . ewwwww
[11:11] <zenrox> j-rock, i cant wate
[11:11] <Nermal> yeah.. and functionality.. gaaah
[11:11] <mjr> the task bars are not obligatory, HTH
[11:11] <speedy2782> ok, new question. What do I have to do to get openoffice to open quicker. Right now its fastest time is over 2 minutes
[11:11] <Nermal> lets stick with black box :P
[11:12] <j-rock_> heh, both their start times are slow too
[11:12] <Nermal> speedy2782: enable dma, apt-get install openoffice.org2 ?
[11:12] <zenrox> speedy2782,  use prelink
[11:12] <speedy2782> I am very new
[11:12] <Nermal> use a decent filesystem
[11:12] <zubunt> speedy2782 : did you tried prelink?
[11:12] <speedy2782> what are those things
[11:12] <KING^^^> hello all , i have installed java but it doesn't work , why ?
[11:12] <speedy2782> just to let you know, today is day 5 on linux
[11:12] <j-rock_> im out
[11:12] <Nermal> KING^^^: ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[11:13] <zenrox> KING^^^, have you read www.ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[11:13] <Nermal> and thats a crap question btw
[11:13] <KING^^^> yes
[11:13] <Nermal> then it should work
[11:13] <zenrox> yep
[11:13] <KING^^^> from there i have installed it
[11:13] <Nermal> unless you downloaded the rpm not the standard tarball bin
[11:13] <universal> are there someone who can tell me how to install things to gdesklets??
[11:13] <KING^^^> jre-1_5_0_01-linux-i586.bin
[11:13] <KING^^^> is the correct one
[11:14] <zenrox> KING^^^, what program are you trying to run
[11:14] <universal> are there someone who can tell me how to install things to gdesklets??
[11:14] <BiteMeBill> tritium: Ok what did you ask me to do?
[11:14] <zenrox> KING^^^, and also can you do java -version
[11:14] <universal> are there someone who can tell me how to install sensors in gdesklets??
[11:15] <Nermal> universal: gdesklets --help should tell you
[11:15] <KING^^^> i have made the the verify installation from java.com
[11:15] <tritium> BiteMeBill, look for /usr/sbin/synaptic
[11:15] <BiteMeBill> tritium:  " Package 'synaptic:' is not installed "
[11:15] <Nermal> and stop repeating the fscking question
[11:15] <universal> Nermal, ok, but u cant help?
[11:15] <KING^^^> and tried to open runescape.com
[11:15] <tritium> BiteMeBill, oh, you told me it was
[11:15] <Nermal> THAT WILL HELP YOU LAZY SOD
[11:15] <Nermal> fuck this
[11:15] <BiteMeBill> hmmm..  /etc/X11/sysconfig/synaptic.desktop
[11:15] <zenrox> KING^^^, didja add the java to mozilla-firefox
[11:15] <BiteMeBill> Says that it's there but it's not in /usr/sbin
[11:15] <zenrox> read right blow the java install
[11:16] <Xappe> universal, that's lm-sensors i believe. you can find a guide on the forums
[11:16] <BiteMeBill> tritium: from the begining I've said that it wasn't
[11:16] <tritium> universal, ignore that foul language.  Sorry he said that
[11:16] <universal> Xappe, hey Xappe...
[11:16] <tritium> BiteMeBill, you said dpkg -l found it
[11:16] <Xappe> ello universal
[11:16] <tritium> BiteMeBill, so, I guess you should reinstall it
[11:16] <movi> beagle tells me the session bus isnt running
[11:17] <movi> however dbus is running, the version it requires
[11:17] <BiteMeBill> tritium: it found /etc/X11/sysconfig/synaptic.desktop
[11:17] <UBUNTUNATOR> haha
[11:17] <BiteMeBill> tritium: wonder why it was uninstalled when upgraded to hoary?
[11:17] <tritium> BiteMeBill, what does apt-cache policy synaptic tell you?
[11:17] <universal> Xappe, i tried, but its just as im going to install a sensor i try to "sh - the file" but then the mouse are changing into a PLUS
[11:17] <KING^^^> ok it works thx
[11:17] <zenrox> lol
[11:18] <oris_wolfbane> .msg NickServ IDENTIFY wassup
[11:19] <tritium> BiteMeBill, it shouldn't have.  What packages were removed when you dist-upgraded?
[11:19] <woodwizzle> osit_wolfbane haha, we no your password =)
[11:19] <BiteMeBill> tritium: Installed (none) Canidate: 0.55+cvs20050311-1
[11:19] <KING^^^> i have installed lm-sensors but ... this is what i get
[11:19] <SowWn> hello ubuntu people
[11:19] <KING^^^> artur@ubuntu:~ $ sensors
[11:19] <KING^^^> No sensors found!
[11:19] <tritium> BiteMeBill, okay, it's definitely not installed.  Go ahead and reinstall it.
[11:19] <zenrox> KING^^^,  your mobo dont have sensors
[11:19] <tritium> Hello SowWn
[11:19] <zenrox> or thay arnt supported
[11:19] <KING^^^> what sensors ?
[11:19] <BiteMeBill> tritium: Yea I know..  Very strange....
[11:20] <oris_wolfbane> anyone know some cool games for linux?
[11:20] <zenrox> oris_wolfbane, nwn
[11:20] <movi> oris_wolfbane, frozen bubble
[11:20] <SowWn> My laptop hardrive died 5 minutes ago, so i put in my spare which happens to have ubuntu on it
[11:20] <SowWn> heh
[11:20] <zubunt> oris_wolfbane: scorched3d , bzflag
[11:20] <tritium> oris_wolfbane, supertux :)
[11:20] <haselden> "free the fish"
[11:20] <zenrox> lol
[11:20] <knigitz> i need to install the ati drivers on ubuntu, can anyone help? :)
[11:20] <tritium> oris_wolfbane, did you see that you should change your nickserv password?
[11:20] <KING^^^> there is doom 3 too for linux
[11:21] <zenrox> and all of the unreal titals too
[11:21] <KING^^^> yes
[11:21] <BiteMeBill> tritium: "The following packages cannot be authenticated! synaptic "  WTH is up with that?
[11:21] <zenrox> quake3 too
[11:21] <KING^^^> www.bi.torrent.com
[11:21] <tritium> BiteMeBill, did you get some errors when you apt-get updated?
[11:21] <KING^^^> something like that
[11:21] <oris_wolfbane> tritium, yeah doing it now
[11:21] <Xappe> universal, did you follow this guide? that worked for me... http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2780
[11:21] <BiteMeBill> tritium: no none at all.  went very cleanly.
[11:21] <tritium> oris_wolfbane, okay
[11:21] <Gomez> Enemy Territory is out there too. I installed it tonight.
[11:22] <zenrox> and that one is free
[11:22] <BiteMeBill> tritium: that is why I am shocked with all this.
[11:22] <tritium> BiteMeBill, if you apt-get install -s synaptic, it'll simulate installing it.  Make sure it's coming from the right repo
[11:22] <BiteMeBill> ok
[11:22] <tritium> BiteMeBill, be right back
[11:23] <MaxeyPad> Are there any tools that come with ubuntu by default to handle usenet binary downloading?
[11:23] <SowWn> is there a way to switch from the stable repository to un?
[11:23] <Gomez> My first time on tonight .... So Hi the everyone and UBUNTU ROCKS!!!!
[11:23] <zenrox> MaxeyPad, pan
[11:23] <Jesterace> SowWn, yeah
[11:23] <Levander> MaxeyPad: you've tried thunderbird?
[11:23] <homer2> hmm anyone have any luck with running eggdrops?
[11:23] <Jesterace> change warty to hoary in /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:23] <SowWn> oh, hi Jesterace :)
[11:23] <Jesterace> :P
[11:24] <Jesterace> yeah just open up /etc/apt/sources.list and change warty to hoary and uncomment the uninverse
[11:24] <MaxeyPad> ok thanks
[11:24] <SowWn> funny, i asked you about this a few hours ago...
[11:24] <SowWn> hehe
[11:24] <Jesterace> yea you didn't get specfic :P
[11:24] <SowWn> i was just curious, now i actually NEED to know
[11:24] <SowWn> heh
[11:24] <Jesterace> dude http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[11:24] <Jesterace> check it out
[11:25] <Jesterace> all the answers you'll need
[11:25] <SowWn> kk
[11:25] <homer2> Jesterace, what's up with Ububtu and TCL?
[11:25] <Jesterace> TCL?
[11:25] <homer2> yeah
[11:25] <Jesterace> what's that?
[11:25] <homer2> scripting language.
[11:25] <homer2> ./eggdrop: error while loading shared libraries: libtcl8.3.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[11:25] <homer2> however they were just installed
[11:25] <Jesterace> wierd
[11:25] <tizen> homer2: did you install the -dev ones too?
[11:25] <zenrox> homer2, sudo apt-get install tcl8.3
[11:25] <Jesterace> perhaps something else is missing
[11:26] <homer2> i installed by source
[11:26] <Jesterace> I'm running ubuntu as a workstation and slackware as a web server
[11:26] <zenrox> homer2, that way a mistake
[11:26] <tritium> BiteMeBill, I'm going to have to go.  Sorry.
[11:26] <speedy2782> Anyone in here familiar with making openoffice open faster?
[11:26] <BiteMeBill> tritium: No problme.
[11:26] <tritium> BiteMeBill, good luck.  Bye..
[11:26] <Lemonzest> hi
[11:26] <BiteMeBill> tritium: L8rs and thanks.
[11:27] <Lemonzest> is it possable to chage fan speed's in bunty?
[11:27] <Lemonzest> aka speedfan on windows
[11:27] <embeepee> Lemonzest: by writing into /proc/acpi/fan/***
[11:27] <embeepee> maybe
[11:27] <embeepee> depending on your hardware
[11:27] <embeepee> i do not know of a gui for it, but there may be one
[11:27] <Xappe> i'm a speedfan ;)
[11:28] <Lemonzest> the sensor chip is a ite8712f i think
[11:28] <Lemonzest> on a lanparty ut nf3
[11:28] <embeepee> well, have a look in there and see if you have anything
[11:30] <BiteMeBill> Anyone else end up having problems updating to hoary?
[11:30] <zenrox> BiteMeBill,  nope
[11:30] <Jesterace> BiteMeBill, my Hoary is running nice
[11:30] <zenrox> BiteMeBill, what are you updating from
[11:31] <xerox> Little question, does the live cd make possible to install it?
[11:31] <BiteMeBill> zenrox: Updated from Warty today./
[11:31] <zenrox> hmm
[11:31] <zenrox> odd
[11:31] <mjr> BiteMeBill, had to do one extra cycle of apt-get -f install ; apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:31] <zenrox> BiteMeBill, you shouldent have any probs
[11:31] <mjr> otherwise went fine (but the new kernel has problems with my &%/&%/ DVB firmware)
[11:31] <BiteMeBill> mjr: Yes.
[11:32] <BiteMeBill> zenrox: I guess someone above just thought I was bored or something.  LOL
[11:32] <speedy2782> So I prelinked my linux, and now openoffice is still slow to open...like 2 minutes plus slow.
[11:32] <universal> Xappe, hmm, i saw the link u gave me, but didn't u just RUN the sensor.bin from the downloaded gdesklets Display?
[11:33] <speedy2782> can I change the kb read
[11:33] <universal> Xappe, when i say RUN i mean sh.........
[11:36] <speedy2782> would uninstalling openoffice and reinstalling it make it better?
[11:37] <oris_wolfban1> :-D
[11:38] <_d4vid> hi all
[11:38] <Anubis> someone use  my name?
[11:38] <oris_wolfbane> hey
[11:40] <Xappe> universal, no. I downloaded and installed gdesklets from the repos (running Hoary)
[11:42] <universal> Xappe, ok thx, i found out how to... I just changed the sensor-file to .sh, and then i was installed, do u have the TV-Channel display running?
[11:42] <Xappe> universal, nope
[11:46] <Xappe> universal, so you installed yourself as a desklet...that's cool
[11:52] <koen_> is the any p2p filesharing program that i can apt-get ?
[11:53] <Nafallo> it is right to assume up-to-date hoary has a utf8-capable terminal-font?
[11:53] <Nafallo> koen_: several :-)
[11:53] <koen_> how about dc++
[11:53] <koen_> dc seems to be something else that dc++
[11:54] <koen_> nafallo, do you know a nice one ?
[11:54] <Nafallo> koen_: ubuntuguide.org has some if I remember correctly.
[11:54] <speedy2782> does anyone know anything about ipods
[11:54] <jazzka> which is the easyest way to convert .ogg to .mp3 in ubuntu?
[11:54] <koen_> thanks
[11:54] <HrdwrBoB> yes, apple make them
[11:54] <Nafallo> speedy2782: they are made by apple
[11:54] <speedy2782> I want to get a program that allows me to sync backwards
[11:54] <speedy2782> we got a bunch of smart asses
[11:54] <Nafallo> HrdwrBoB: hehe, you won ;-)
[11:54] <HrdwrBoB> speedy2782: gtkpod
[11:54] <speedy2782> :-[
[11:55] <HrdwrBoB> gtkpod is good
[11:55] <speedy2782> will gtkpod bring songs from ipod to my computer?
[11:55] <HrdwrBoB> jazzka: you'll have to write the file to a wav and then encode it
[11:55] <HrdwrBoB> Sparhawk_: yes
[11:56] <HrdwrBoB> oh.. he left
[11:56] <jazzka> HrdwrBoB, really? ;((
[11:56] <HrdwrBoB> jazzka: hangon a tic
[11:57] <shmoolik> hello
[11:58] <shmoolik> i have just installed ubuntu hoary 5.04 preview .... and i wanted to ask if there is any easy way to mount my HDDz
[11:58] <HrdwrBoB> yep that will do it
[11:58] <Nafallo> and a for-script around it :-)
[11:58] <pepsi> how do i get slocate to find a new file?
[11:58] <pepsi> i have to update its database somehow, right?
[11:59] <koen_> hmm now i need a emule server
[11:59] <koen_> i guess :)
[11:59] <koen_> nevermind
[11:59] <haselden> updatedb
[11:59] <ntoll> hi, I've just installed Zope on ubuntu but can't log in - YES! I have made sure the username and password are correct
[11:59] <haselden> ?