| lamont_r | Kamion: you awake? | 12:06 |
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| jdub | mdz: around? | 12:06 |
| mdz | jdub: yes | 12:06 |
| seb128 | mdz: about #6387, bug to fix for hoary I guess ? | 12:09 |
| seb128 | any idea on how ? mask this tab ? | 12:09 |
| mdz | seb128: is carlosg going to hate us? | 12:10 |
| seb128 | I don't think he cares if we mask it | 12:10 |
| seb128 | if we break it, perhaps :p | 12:10 |
| mdz | is there anything on that tab which is not scary? | 12:11 |
| seb128 | hum, in fact I'm messing the 2 tabs | 12:11 |
| mdz | changing the shell is OK | 12:11 |
| seb128 | the username is on the account one | 12:11 |
| ogra | mdz, to which bug belongs the gpm patch (for the credits) | 12:13 |
| seb128 | mdz: changing the username field to a non-editable one ? | 12:13 |
| mdz | ogra: I don't remember | 12:14 |
| mdz | seb128: that sounds fine to me | 12:14 |
| mdz | whatever you feel is best | 12:14 |
| seb128 | k | 12:15 |
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| sivang | seb128: more changes to users-admin ? | 12:16 |
| seb128 | read #gst | 12:16 |
| pitti_ | "Thou shall not 'mv libc-2.3.2.so libc-2.3.2.so.old' in /lib/tls" | 12:17 |
| pitti_ | argh | 12:17 |
| seb128 | lol | 12:18 |
| ogra | hehe | 12:18 |
| dholbach | ouch | 12:19 |
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| pitti | Hi Astharot | 12:28 |
| Astharot | hi | 12:28 |
| sivang | pitti: the modification of the POTFILES.in should be part of the i18n patch or of the l10n patch? | 12:32 |
| sivang | pitti: (I have to add an entry with that file, since it didn't have harcoded strings before) | 12:32 |
| sivang | pitti: (view-printers.c) | 12:32 |
| pitti | sivang: i18n | 12:32 |
| sivang | pitti: k, cool | 12:32 |
| sivang | pitti: thx | 12:32 |
| lamont_r | mdz: what do you think about importing openafs 1.3.74 from debian/experimental into universe, since what's in universe doesn't believe in 2.6 kernels? | 12:37 |
| lamont_r | it's not like it breaks anything worse than it already is.... :-) | 12:37 |
| ogra | lamont_r, hmm, a question of belief ..... | 12:39 |
| lamont_r | although 1.3.79 has been released.... | 12:39 |
| lamont_r | ogra: will not compile, apparently. or at least doesn't work. | 12:39 |
| lamont_r | my afs-bigot friend is asking after it... | 12:39 |
| ogra | so just let it sync then, its universe, as long as you think it will work *shrug* | 12:40 |
| lamont_r | and it's a prereq for getting hoary on my (shared) co-lo box.... | 12:40 |
| lamont_r | ogra: oh, no. it panics the kernel occasionally, but it mostly works.... apparently... :-) | 12:40 |
| ogra | hehe | 12:41 |
| lamont_r | I'll put the bigot to work on making a package :-) | 12:41 |
| lamont_r | ogra: but do you see any issues with uploading it to universe? When is the universe freeze anyway? | 12:42 |
| dholbach | lamont: when we fixed wiki/MOTUTodo | 12:42 |
| dholbach | lamont_r: :-) | 12:43 |
| ogra | lamont_r, we call it a "soft" freeze ;) | 12:43 |
| lamont_r | ok | 12:43 |
| lamont_r | kinda like soft-serve? | 12:43 |
| ogra | lamont_r, if its required we upload or sync... just trying to avoid unnecessary stuff | 12:43 |
| lamont_r | ok. | 12:44 |
| ogra | lamont_r, dholbach collects a list for elmo syncs currently.... | 12:44 |
| lamont_r | I'm going to make him either package 1.3.79, or work with hartmans to update the package in experimental | 12:44 |
| ogra | ok | 12:44 |
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| zul | evening | 12:49 |
| dholbach | hi zul | 12:49 |
| pitti | mdz: now I have a patch that really works; it's more straightforward, too | 12:49 |
| zul | hey dholbach | 12:49 |
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| mdz | lamont_r: fine with me, if you'll make sure that it builds | 12:56 |
| GheRivero | res | 12:56 |
| GheRivero | ping jdub | 12:56 |
| Riddell | is anyone able to help me with a package | 12:56 |
| Riddell | http://jasmine.19inch.net/~jr/away/kubuntu/kubuntu-default-settings/kubuntu-default-settings_5.10.01_all.deb | 12:56 |
| GheRivero | what's the problem Riddell ? | 12:56 |
| Riddell | doesn't install the files it should install in /etc | 12:56 |
| GheRivero | sources? | 12:56 |
| Riddell | same directory | 12:57 |
| Riddell | or deb http://jasmine.19inch.net/~jr/away/kubuntu/ ./ | 12:57 |
| GheRivero | Riddell, are you sure it doesn't install files on /etc? | 01:00 |
| Riddell | GheRivero: doesn't seem to for me | 01:01 |
| Riddell | GheRivero: have you installed it? what do you get in /etc/kde-profile/default/share/config/ | 01:01 |
| GheRivero | which one exactly I have a lot of them there now | 01:01 |
| jdub | GheRivero: hi | 01:01 |
| pitti | night everybody | 01:01 |
| GheRivero | clock_panelapplet_kubuntu_rc kdeglobals konqiconviewrc kpersonalizerrc | 01:01 |
| GheRivero | kaffeinerc kdesktoprc konquerorrc kwinrc | 01:01 |
| GheRivero | kbookmarkrc kickerrc konsolerc | 01:01 |
| Riddell | so it works for you, why doesn't it work for me? | 01:01 |
| GheRivero | jdub, did you get sleep? :) | 01:02 |
| GheRivero | Riddell, it should be the same | 01:02 |
| sivang | good night all! | 01:02 |
| jdub | GheRivero: apart from the mosquitos eating me, yeah ;) | 01:02 |
| dholbach | bye sivan | 01:02 |
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| sivang | night dholbach | 01:02 |
| zul | oh yah it summer in australia i keep forgetting | 01:02 |
| sivang | good night ogra | 01:03 |
| ogra | night sivang | 01:03 |
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| GheRivero | Riddell, did you try purging the package before installing it? | 01:06 |
| Riddell | GheRivero: ah, that fixed it | 01:07 |
| Riddell | thanks | 01:07 |
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| GheRivero | you are welcomed | 01:07 |
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| Fackamato | hi | 01:07 |
| Fackamato | I have a problem with ubuntu | 01:08 |
| Fackamato | this is very strange. | 01:08 |
| Fackamato | it's not logical or anything, I don't get it | 01:08 |
| wasabi_ | #ubuntu | 01:08 |
| wasabi_ | -devel is for development | 01:08 |
| Fackamato | well, I figured you might know more about ubuntu core-things than they do, they pointed me here | 01:08 |
| Fackamato | you as in you guys | 01:08 |
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| Keybuk | most of the guys in here hang out on #ubuntu too | 01:09 |
| Keybuk | and answer questions there | 01:09 |
| Keybuk | this channel is for discussing development of ubuntu | 01:09 |
| Amaranth | and me asking stupid development-related questions, of course :) | 01:10 |
| Fackamato | let me finish: using fglrx driver, ati card, 2.6.10-k7, i install the driver, i load it, xorg works fine. i reboot, xorg doesn't start, i get this: www.tehjunkyard.net/xorg.log . i modprobe -r fglrx.ko, I copy the fglrx.ko from fglrx package to /lib/modules/kernelversion/kernel/drivers/video/fglrx.ko and modprobe it again. now it works. reboot, doesn't work. I have to rmmod and copy the file again, and it works. | 01:10 |
| Fackamato | does ubuntu copy over the file or something? | 01:10 |
| Fackamato | the filesizes are the same. | 01:10 |
| srbaker | where do i set up an sftp folder in nautilus like edd points out on his blog? | 01:10 |
| ogra | guys | 01:10 |
| ogra | #ubuntu please | 01:11 |
| srbaker | oh, whoops | 01:11 |
| wasabi_ | Fackamato, if nobody in #ubuntu is answering you, the same people aren't going to answer you here. | 01:11 |
| Fackamato | wasabi_: Indeed, there might be more people in here that aren't in #ubuntu though. | 01:11 |
| Fackamato | :> | 01:11 |
| Keybuk | we'd be in #ubuntu if we were able to help | 01:13 |
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| Riddell | how does gnome turn on anti-aliasing by default? | 01:17 |
| Riddell | seems you have to make a ~/.fonts.conf | 01:18 |
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| srbaker | hhe. if debian cuts down to 4 archs, it won't be very useful to me anymore :p | 01:22 |
| mdz | jdub: what's the status of the cursor changes (#6172)? | 01:24 |
| jdub | local package has the alternative foo re-added | 01:25 |
| mdz | is there a waitcondition for uploading it? | 01:25 |
| jdub | however i'm having a problem with stuff left behind by the old package, or inability to override | 01:25 |
| jdub | here's what's in my alternative | 01:25 |
| jdub | sorry, phone | 01:25 |
| jdub | gar | 01:26 |
| jdub | okay | 01:26 |
| jdub | $ update-alternatives --display x-cursor-theme | 01:27 |
| jdub | x-cursor-theme - status is manual. | 01:27 |
| jdub | link currently points to /usr/share/themes/Industrial/cursor.theme | 01:27 |
| jdub | /etc/X11/cursors/core.theme - priority 30 | 01:27 |
| jdub | /etc/X11/cursors/redglass.theme - priority 20 | 01:27 |
| jdub | /etc/X11/cursors/whiteglass.theme - priority 20 | 01:27 |
| jdub | /etc/X11/cursors/handhelds.theme - priority 20 | 01:27 |
| jdub | Current `best' version is /etc/X11/cursors/core.theme. | 01:27 |
| jdub | 01:27 | |
| jdub | thus, | 01:27 |
| jdub | /etc/alternatives/x-cursor-theme -> /usr/share/themes/Industrial/cursor.theme | 01:27 |
| jdub | oh, wrong machine | 01:27 |
| jdub | anyway | 01:27 |
| jdub | so with current package, i get a Human alternative correctly | 01:27 |
| jdub | with priority 40 | 01:27 |
| jdub | but can't find a way to reset the manual alternative (to a file that no longer exists) | 01:28 |
| jdub | (phone) | 01:30 |
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| mjg59 | jdub: Yo | 01:32 |
| mjg59 | jdub: Looks like I'll be joining you in .au | 01:32 |
| dholbach | jdub: can't you update-alternative --something in the old package's .prerm? | 01:32 |
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| GheRivero | drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such device) | 01:40 |
| GheRivero | drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such device) | 01:40 |
| GheRivero | drmOpenDevice: Open failed | 01:40 |
| GheRivero | sorry! not here! | 01:40 |
| jdub | dholbach: that seems impolite | 01:42 |
| dholbach | jdub: but you say it no longer exists? | 01:43 |
| seb128 | g'night | 01:43 |
| dholbach | bye seb128 | 01:43 |
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| dholbach | seb128: thanks for uploading | 01:44 |
| seb128 | np | 01:44 |
| zul | night seb128 | 01:44 |
| mroth | fabbione: do you think it will be possible to examine #7258 prior to hoary, or is it too low priority? | 01:44 |
| jdub | dholbach: there's no guarantee that it doesn't, however | 01:44 |
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| dholbach | jdub: and a rigid update-alternative to whatever you're trying to update the alternative to? maybe a bit impolite too, hm? :-) | 01:45 |
| ogra | jdub: test it before running update-alternative | 01:45 |
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| jdub | i'm sure there is a general or recommended solution to this, i just don't know what it is | 01:46 |
| mdz | jdub: you can't/shouldn't override a manually-selected alternative; why would you want to? | 01:46 |
| dholbach | using debconf *duck and run away* | 01:46 |
| mdz | if it's being set to manual when it shouldn't, that probably means you're doing things in the wrong order | 01:46 |
| jdub | mdz: exactly :-) | 01:46 |
| jdub | mdz: what's the status of your x-cursor-theme alternative? | 01:47 |
| ogra | jdub: here its broken | 01:50 |
| ogra | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 41 2005-01-31 11:40 x-cursor-theme -> /usr/share/themes/Industrial/cursor.theme | 01:50 |
| jdub | yep | 01:50 |
| mdz | jdub: + 1 /etc/X11/cursors/core.theme | 01:52 |
| mdz | (automatic) | 01:52 |
| mdz | oh, no it isn't | 01:52 |
| jdub | mdz: how fresh is your hoary install? | 01:52 |
| mdz | /etc/alternatives/x-cursor-theme is a broken symlink | 01:52 |
| jdub | see, i think the old industrial engines package didn't deregister properly or something | 01:53 |
| mdz | sounds that way | 01:53 |
| mdz | so a new version of the industrial engines package should fix it | 01:53 |
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| jdub | but it doesn't have the cursor theme any more | 01:53 |
| mdz | but it broke the alternative (we think) | 01:54 |
| jdub | the old one did, i imagine | 01:54 |
| jdub | it was replaced with a package from a different source | 01:55 |
| mdz | what package are we talking about here? | 01:55 |
| mdz | the one which used to contain themes/Industrial/cursor.theme | 01:55 |
| ogra | gtk-engines-industrial i guess | 01:55 |
| jdub | mdz: so | 01:56 |
| jdub | old gtk2-engines-industrial had the cursor theme | 01:56 |
| mdz | gtk2-engines-industrial doesn't have any maintainer scripts | 01:56 |
| mdz | at all | 01:56 |
| jdub | the new one is from a different source, gtk-engines, not the old, independent industrial source | 01:57 |
| jdub | yeah, the new one doesn't need any | 01:57 |
| mdz | what a mess | 01:58 |
| mdz | this needed to be dealt with much earlier; I didn't realize this was fucked alternatives, rather than just moving files around | 01:58 |
| mdz | the prerm in the warty version of gtk-industrial-engine looks reasonable | 01:59 |
| mdz | its postinst is fucked though | 02:00 |
| jdub | so should the new package have removed the alternative on postinst? | 02:00 |
| jdub | or should the prerm from the old package have handled it? | 02:00 |
| mdz | the prerm from the old package should have handled it | 02:01 |
| jdub | mmm, that's what i had thought | 02:01 |
| jdub | so, bad hack to check and change in the new ubuntu-artwork package? | 02:02 |
| mdz | but if there were an error during prerm, it would have called postinst to unwind | 02:02 |
| mdz | which unconditionally restores the alternative | 02:02 |
| mdz | I'd recommend fixing it in gtk2-engines-industrial | 02:02 |
| mdz | if /etc/alternatives/foo is a broken link, and the target is bar, then update-alternatives --auto foo | 02:03 |
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| zenwhen | who is going to get the job of sorting all the data given by the hardware info report tool | 02:04 |
| jdub | mdz: and update-alternatives in ubuntu-artwork should only happen on install or upgrade | 02:05 |
| jdub | mdz: correct? | 02:05 |
| mdz | jdub: where does ubuntu-artwork enter into it? | 02:05 |
| mdz | oh, ubuntu-artwork has the new theme | 02:05 |
| jdub | yes | 02:05 |
| mdz | ubuntu-artwork should do update-alternatives in postinst (install|upgrade) and prerm (remove) | 02:06 |
| jdub | (working around upstream screwage) | 02:06 |
| mdz | I think | 02:06 |
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| mdz | I always look it up and check examples because I rarely work with alternatives | 02:06 |
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| mdz | I wonder why there isn't a debhelper component for alternatives yet | 02:07 |
| jdub | hrm | 02:07 |
| ogra | zenwhen: some cool AI | 02:07 |
| jdub | the old gtk2-engines-industrial removed the icon cache | 02:07 |
| zenwhen | ogra, oh thats cool. It has taken five minutes just gathering data. | 02:08 |
| jdub | hrm, no, that makes sense here, too | 02:08 |
| zenwhen | I hope it works. | 02:08 |
| ogra | zenwhen, nope | 02:08 |
| zenwhen | oh its broken? | 02:08 |
| ogra | zenwhen, i havent uploaded the code for sending yet | 02:08 |
| zenwhen | well it sure looks cool | 02:08 |
| zenwhen | :) | 02:08 |
| zenwhen | really really professional | 02:09 |
| ogra | zenwhen, thanks, cross your fingers that it works like it looks too :) | 02:09 |
| zenwhen | Hopefully so. I'd like to see Ubuntu call ym video card by name. | 02:09 |
| zenwhen | my* | 02:09 |
| zenwhen | :) | 02:09 |
| ogra | zenwhen, that should be ready during the next two days (naming netcard, videocard and probably soundcard) the last one i cant promise though | 02:10 |
| zenwhen | sounds awesome | 02:12 |
| mdz | ogra: ETA for the ubuntu-desktop-ready version? | 02:27 |
| ogra | wed 23:59 UTC ? | 02:28 |
| ogra | to late ? | 02:29 |
| mdz | ogra: we need something in array 7 | 02:32 |
| mdz | that's the final milestone before RC | 02:32 |
| ogra | mdz: array 7 was yesterday according to the release schedule | 02:33 |
| mdz | ogra: no, it's Wednesday | 02:33 |
| mdz | (according to the release schedule ;-) ) | 02:34 |
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| thully | Just did a clean install from preview CD - hibernate was not set up by default (at least the suspend/resume partition wasn't)? Is this expected? | 02:34 |
| mdz | thully: only if you didn't create a swap partition | 02:35 |
| tseng | the resume partition is sawp | 02:35 |
| tseng | swap. | 02:35 |
| mdz | it's been repeatedly confirmed to work under a variety of circumstances otherwise | 02:35 |
| ogra | mdz: ok | 02:36 |
| thully | OK - whatabout adding resume= - is that necessary? | 02:36 |
| mdz | no | 02:36 |
| mdz | did you actually check whether it worked? resume= is no longer necessary | 02:36 |
| ogra | mdz: forgot about the 2 day timeshift | 02:36 |
| thully | where is that taken care of, then? | 02:36 |
| tseng | in the kernel, its all setup for you at install | 02:37 |
| tseng | please just give it a try from the logout menu or gdm and let us know if its !working | 02:37 |
| mroth | the resume= line is no longer necessary? waoh. should I remove it and test for confirmation? | 02:38 |
| thully | so -can you use the ThinkPad hibernate shortcut (Fn+F12) | 02:38 |
| tseng | theres a really easy way to find out | 02:39 |
| tseng | try it :) | 02:39 |
| thully | I'll go ahead and try it out | 02:40 |
| dholbach | if not: you can reconfigure the keyboard short cuts from the gnome menu | 02:40 |
| tritium | does anything check that the swap space is >= the amount of memory in the newer install CDs? | 02:40 |
| thully | One unrelated question: is it too late to enable autohinter in Hoary, even if just for a whitelist of fonts? | 02:41 |
| tseng | end-user questions belong in #ubuntu btw | 02:41 |
| thully | no - this is a question about system defaults, not how do I enable autohinter | 02:41 |
| tseng | your last question was not | 02:42 |
| tseng | you seem fairly determined to spend up development time on simple things you could find out for yourself | 02:42 |
| mdz | thully: yes, it is absolutely too late, and I already told you that the last time you asked about it | 02:42 |
| tseng | oh.. and there is the issue of you repeating/cross posting yourself | 02:43 |
| mdz | which was earlier today | 02:43 |
| thully | OK - I think it may have been lostin my e-mail | 02:44 |
| dholbach | good night everyone | 02:45 |
| tseng | bye dholbach | 02:45 |
| dholbach | bye tseng | 02:45 |
| zul | thully: google is your friend | 02:47 |
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| thully | hi - just tested hibernate - on first boot after install, you can't do it using the keyboard and doing it from GNOME shutdown screen causes the system to hang in the middle of the process | 02:55 |
| thully | After rebooting, it works fine using keyboard and GNOME menu | 02:55 |
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| thully | Just reported it on bugzilla - 7667 | 03:07 |
| thully | not sure of the component, so I specified acpi-support | 03:07 |
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| jba | not sure if this is an ubuntu devel question but will ask it here anyway | 03:09 |
| jba | is there a reason why every time i run the update manager grub re-writes my menu.lst ? | 03:09 |
| jba | and removes my windows entry? | 03:09 |
| jba | i don't mind re-entering but it seems like this shouldn't be happening? | 03:10 |
| jdub | put your windows entry outside the automatically rewritten section | 03:12 |
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| jba | jdub, aah cool, thanks dude, I did have as the first item (for my wife's sake) | 03:21 |
| jba | i'll just have to tell her to pick the last one | 03:21 |
| jba | or let it go by default | 03:21 |
| lamont | mdz: did you want to know that zsh is ftbfs? | 03:24 |
| jdub | you can make it the first entry by putting it above the automatically rewritten seciton | 03:24 |
| jdub | and it will be used as the default | 03:25 |
| mdz | lamont: it'sawhat? | 03:28 |
| mdz | lamont: my upload changed nothing but changelog and Completion/Unix/Command/_baz | 03:29 |
| lamont | make[2] : Entering directory `/build/buildd/zsh-4.2.1/obj/Src' | 03:29 |
| lamont | ../../config.status | 03:29 |
| lamont | make[2] : ../../config.status: Command not found | 03:29 |
| lamont | make[2] : *** [mkmakemod.sh] Error 127 | 03:29 |
| mdz | lamont: and I test-built it before uploading | 03:29 |
| mdz | did the previous version FTBFS too? | 03:29 |
| jba | jdub, i thought i did that alreasym will try again | 03:29 |
| lamont | mdz: no. | 03:31 |
| lamont | mdz: you seem to have a special touch. :-( | 03:31 |
| mdz | Clint: any guesses? | 03:31 |
| mdz | Completion/Unix/Command/_baz | 4 ++-- | 03:32 |
| mdz | debian/changelog | 6 ++++++ | 03:32 |
| mdz | must be some kind of timestamp fuckage | 03:32 |
| Clint | mdz: there's a very nasty ugly patch on zsh to prevent it from linking the main binary to -lpcre and -lcap. it looks like that got a little fragile | 03:33 |
| Clint | well, it was fragile to begin with | 03:33 |
| Clint | so, yes, it's probably timestamp fuckage | 03:33 |
| mdz | Clint: is there a bat^Wworkaround I can apply? | 03:33 |
| Clint | if I weren't suffering from extreme sleep-deprivation, I'd say yes | 03:34 |
| mdz | http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/z/zsh/4.2.1-15ubuntu3/zsh_4.2.1-15ubuntu3_20050314-2238-i386-failed | 03:35 |
| mdz | there's the full log | 03:35 |
| Clint | is going to 4.2.4 right out? | 03:36 |
| mdz | how well-behaved has it been in Debian? | 03:36 |
| mdz | I don't mind digging a fix out of it if you can give me a hint where to look | 03:36 |
| mdz | for some reason it's looking at toplevel for config.status, rather than in obj | 03:36 |
| Clint | ew | 03:37 |
| Clint | though that makes no sense | 03:38 |
| mdz | it's the mkmakemod.sh target in Src/Makefile | 03:38 |
| mdz | mkmakemod.sh: $(dir_top)/config.status mkmakemod.sh.in | 03:38 |
| mdz | $(dir_top)/../config.status | 03:38 |
| mdz | mkmakemod.sh.in: mkmakemod.sh.in.in | 03:38 |
| mdz | $(dir_top)/../config.status | 03:38 |
| mdz | which makes no sense at all | 03:38 |
| mdz | it pretty much explicitly tries to go to the parent dir of where it's supposed to be | 03:39 |
| mdz | that bit of code is the same in 4.2.4-1, interestingly enough | 03:39 |
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| Clint | yeah, I just keep star-merging it along | 03:40 |
| Clint | it's gruesome | 03:40 |
| mdz | I seem to break timestampish things sometimes by building on a tmpfs | 03:40 |
| lifeless | Clint: baz probs ? | 03:40 |
| mdz | which is where I generally build stuff, unless it's like, X or oo.o | 03:40 |
| Clint | lifeless: well, I can't use baz on that archive | 03:41 |
| lifeless | Clint: why not ? | 03:41 |
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| Clint | lifeless: if I use a revision-library, it chokes to death consistently, and if I don't, it fails in weird and erratic wys | 03:41 |
| Clint | er, ways | 03:41 |
| lifeless | Clint: thats weird - I'd love to fix that. are you able to spend some time with me identifying the cause ? | 03:42 |
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| mdz | gah, it's re-running autoconf during the build | 03:42 |
| mdz | that at least I can fix | 03:42 |
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| Clint | aha! | 03:43 |
| Clint | lifeless: http://bugs.debian.org/297756 describes the reproducible problem | 03:43 |
| mdz | though I have no idea why that breaks it | 03:43 |
| Clint | lifeless: let me know what else you want me to do | 03:43 |
| Clint | it probably touches something that isn't supposed to be touched | 03:44 |
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| lifeless | Clint: whats the url for the archive | 03:44 |
| mdz | wait | 03:44 |
| mdz | wtf was autoconf doing in the chroot? | 03:44 |
| mdz | zsh build-deps on autoconf, growl | 03:45 |
| Clint | lifeless: http://arch.debian.org/arch/pkg-zsh/current/ | 03:45 |
| Clint | what the?! | 03:45 |
| mdz | LAMONT!!! | 03:45 |
| lifeless | Clint: ok, reproduced | 03:46 |
| lamont | mdz: well, it fixed the build the last time... | 03:46 |
| lifeless | Clint: does it work with tla ? | 03:46 |
| mdz | * Build-Depend: autoconf | 03:46 |
| mdz | -- LaMont Jones <lamont@canonical.com> Fri, 26 Nov 2004 17:36:02 -0700 | 03:46 |
| Clint | lifeless: nope, same annoying crap | 03:46 |
| Clint | lifeless: less wordy though | 03:47 |
| lifeless | Clint: ah. betchya its a fuxked tarball | 03:47 |
| Clint | any quick fix? | 03:47 |
| lamont | have I mentioned how it's bad to patch files that are built from other files? | 03:47 |
| Clint | ain't none of my packages meant to be autoreconf'd | 03:48 |
| mdz | it's fine as long as the build process doesn't try to magically generated them | 03:48 |
| lifeless | the fucker | 03:48 |
| lamont | right. | 03:48 |
| lifeless | sorry but someone has 'edited' the archive. | 03:49 |
| lamont | mdz: and the file in question when I added autoconf was deep in a twisty maze | 03:49 |
| lifeless | its corrupt and must be discarded or manually repaired. | 03:49 |
| lifeless | Clint: if you look in the tarball, you'll see that it has a patch log for "\{arch\}/zsh/zsh--upstream/zsh--upstream--4.1.1/schizo\@debian.org--2004--pkg-zsh/patch-log/base-0" | 03:49 |
| Clint | how do I figure out what needs repairing? | 03:49 |
| schweeb | is there a non-ubuntuized kernel source package? I'm trying to modify some debian Xen packages to work, but doesn't look like there's a vanilla pkg... should I back out the ubuntu patches, or am I wrong? | 03:49 |
| mdz | lamont: are you saying that regenerating autoconf during the build was intentional? | 03:49 |
| mdz | rather than working around the fact that the build wanted to do it? | 03:49 |
| lifeless | what this means is that the archive /really is/ schizo\@debian.org--2004--pkg-zsh and the branch really is zsh--upstream--4.1.1 | 03:50 |
| Clint | lifeless: so I should remove it? | 03:50 |
| lifeless | someone has edited the 'name' meta-info file. | 03:50 |
| mdz | http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/ongoing-merge/zsh/zsh_ubuntu.debdiff | 03:50 |
| Clint | ugh | 03:50 |
| mdz | looks pretty innocent | 03:50 |
| lifeless | now the question is - are the later commits to the same archive *also* for schizo\@debian.org--2004--pkg-zsh ? | 03:50 |
| lifeless | if they ALL ARE. then its easy: put the name back were it should be. | 03:51 |
| Clint | lifeless: no | 03:51 |
| lifeless | if there are mixed commits, then you need to: | 03:51 |
| lifeless | 1) decide on the archive name | 03:51 |
| lifeless | 2) unpack the base-0 and edit the log, and all metadata to be what you want it to be | 03:51 |
| lifeless | 3) repack it | 03:51 |
| lamont | lifeless: please note. I've never done anything this evil to arch. :-) | 03:51 |
| lifeless | 4) repeat on every changeset after that. | 03:51 |
| mdz | schweeb: there is an Ubuntu package, a Debian package, and a vanilla tarball from upstream; they are all distinct | 03:52 |
| Clint | lifeless: great, thanks | 03:52 |
| lifeless | goerzen wrote a shell script to do this. I don't know how robust it is. | 03:52 |
| lifeless | you'll then need to find every mirror of the archive in existence and get them to zap them selves and start over. | 03:52 |
| lifeless | whoever edited 'name' should be tied up and whipped. right after the designer of a non-self-documenting archive format susceptible to this. | 03:53 |
| mdz | lamont: let me know if ubuntu15 does better | 03:53 |
| lifeless | after you fix this, it should work just fine. | 03:53 |
| lamont | mdz: wilco | 03:53 |
| mdz | lamont: I mean 15ubuntu4 | 03:53 |
| lifeless | Clint: also, be sure to nuke ~/.arch-cache/archives/zsh\@packages.debian.org--pkg-zsh | 03:54 |
| lamont | right | 03:54 |
| lifeless | Clint: talk to lamont about what to nuke when you change history ;) | 03:54 |
| lamont | Preconfiguring packages ... | 03:54 |
| lamont | gcc-opt: Failed to open /CurrentlyBuilding | 03:54 |
| lifeless | '/' ? | 03:54 |
| lamont | do I want to know why preconfiguring packages runs the compiler???? | 03:54 |
| lamont | lifeless: heh | 03:55 |
| lifeless | lamont: one reason I like arch's archive format is that rcs scripts are harmless | 03:55 |
| lamont | LOL | 03:55 |
| lifeless | ;) | 03:56 |
| mdz | lamont: dpkg-architecture? | 03:58 |
| lamont | ah, ok | 03:58 |
| lamont | amazing the things one trips over.. :-) | 03:58 |
| zenwhen | oh crap | 04:01 |
| zenwhen | that guy is doing backports for hoary already | 04:01 |
| zenwhen | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20044 | 04:02 |
| lamont | zenwhen: heh | 04:03 |
| lamont | sigh | 04:03 |
| lamont | well, I mean, UVF was like so 2.5 months ago | 04:03 |
| zenwhen | yeah | 04:03 |
| zenwhen | I was already bitten by that backports deal once | 04:03 |
| zenwhen | I am not convinced he wont screw it up again | 04:04 |
| lamont | zenwhen: there's no reason to run backports. honestly. | 04:04 |
| lamont | well, ok. people have reasons | 04:05 |
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| mroth | whoops | 04:06 |
| zenwhen | Things like Firefox and Gaim that have regular releases are what cause people to use backports. | 04:06 |
| mroth | lamont: well admittedly, FF being so high profile, there are going to be a lot of people freaking out if its not the most "bleeding edge" | 04:06 |
| zenwhen | regular and highly touted releases | 04:06 |
| mroth | esp. since slashdot has scared half of them into thinking that its an "important security release!" | 04:06 |
| Clint | lifeless: thanks, looks like that worked | 04:06 |
| mroth | (not to suggest that its wasnt a security problem, but its the type of security problem that only affects people who click stupid links in their email) | 04:07 |
| zenwhen | my only issue with firefox is how crappy the left side of the left mst tab loks sometimes | 04:09 |
| zenwhen | lol | 04:09 |
| jdub | "It's only a security issue if you're stupid. Are you stupid?" | 04:10 |
| zenwhen | lol | 04:10 |
| zenrox | lol | 04:10 |
| Keybuk | jdub: "special" | 04:10 |
| jdub | (not that i necessarily believe that, for the problem in question, but anyway) | 04:10 |
| lamont | 53 binaries in hoary/desktop taht are suid and/or sgid | 04:11 |
| jdub | half of those are gnome-games, right? :) | 04:11 |
| Keybuk | yeah, it's about time sudo wasn't setuid root | 04:11 |
| lamont | lol | 04:12 |
| mroth | jdub: is it going to be possible to get FF1.0.1 into hoary? it might be a good idea as a "public relations" move, since I bet otherwise every single review will mention it. | 04:12 |
| lamont | -rwsr-sr-x 1 root root 7664 2005-03-02 07:03 ./usr/X11R6/bin/X | 04:12 |
| jdub | mroth: thom's dropping that in this week, i believe | 04:12 |
| lamont | wth? | 04:12 |
| lamont | :-) | 04:12 |
| jdub | Keybuk: BRING IN THE DEROOTIFIER | 04:12 |
| mroth | jdub: good to hear | 04:12 |
| Keybuk | /SUMMON pitty | 04:12 |
| Keybuk | pitti too | 04:13 |
| jdub | not that we make technical decisions base on "public relations" | 04:13 |
| Keybuk | oops | 04:13 |
| jdub | Keybuk: freudian slip | 04:13 |
| Keybuk | *cough* ooo2.0 *uncough* | 04:13 |
| jdub | *cough* exactly *uncough* | 04:13 |
| jdub | ;) | 04:13 |
| mdz | lamont: please file a bug about that | 04:14 |
| lamont | mdz: OK | 04:14 |
| zenwhen | Myself, being smart enough not to click links in emails, am fine with firefox 1.0. | 04:14 |
| mdz | has anyone seen daniels? | 04:14 |
| jdub | mdz: want me to call? | 04:14 |
| lifeless | Clint: cool | 04:14 |
| mdz | jdub: please | 04:14 |
| lifeless | Clint: anything you have baz problems on .. just ask ;) | 04:14 |
| lamont | -r-sr-xr-x 1 root root 15000 Oct 26 14:40 ./sbin/unix_chkpwd | 04:15 |
| lamont | interesting | 04:15 |
| zenwhen | but I am not smart enough right now to us eproper grammer | 04:15 |
| zenwhen | ;) | 04:15 |
| mdz | lamont: the fact that it's exactly 15000 bytes? | 04:15 |
| lamont | yeah | 04:15 |
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| Clint | lifeless: will do | 04:15 |
| mdz | lamont: 14936 on Warty if it makes you more comfortable :-) | 04:16 |
| lamont | jdub: 11 of them are sgid games | 04:16 |
| zenwhen | I am passing out some preview live and install disks at work tomorrow. | 04:24 |
| zenwhen | well not preview. they are from yesterday. | 04:24 |
| lamont | mdz: fwiw, X was suid/sgid root on warty, too | 04:30 |
| lamont | 2 new suid binaries, one of them a hardlink to sudo | 04:30 |
| lamont | the other being hal-dmiwrapper | 04:30 |
| mdz | lamont: interesting; I wonder why pitti didn't flag it | 04:30 |
| mdz | I know of no reason it should be sgid | 04:31 |
| lifeless | can we get screen suid ? its like every time I do pair programming, the first thing is 'make screen suid' | 04:31 |
| lifeless | (don't you love randoms like me) ? | 04:31 |
| lamont | mdz: especially when it's suid root | 04:32 |
| lamont | -rwxr-sr-x 1 root utmp 297080 Feb 28 15:23 ./usr/bin/screen | 04:32 |
| lamont | lifeless: that's what you get | 04:32 |
| mdz | lifeless: I'm not sure that suid is required in order to do multiuser | 04:32 |
| mdz | it shouldn't be... | 04:33 |
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| lamont | we should not be ashamed of our code. :-) | 04:34 |
| lifeless | lamont: cool. | 04:36 |
| lamont | mdz -15ubuntu4 has no love | 04:36 |
| lifeless | mdz: it is required | 04:36 |
| lamont | make[4] : Entering directory `/build/buildd/zsh-4.2.1/obj/Src/Modules' | 04:36 |
| lamont | Makefile:406: cap.rules: No such file or directory | 04:36 |
| lamont | Makefile:1327: pcre.rules: No such file or directory | 04:36 |
| lifeless | mdz: the vty it allocates needs to be accessible by all the authorised users. | 04:36 |
| lamont | cd ../../../Src/Modules && autoconf pcre.configure.ac >pcre.configure | 04:37 |
| lamont | /bin/sh: autoconf: command not found | 04:37 |
| lamont | make[4] : *** [../../../Src/Modules/pcre.configure] Error 127 | 04:37 |
| mdz | lamont: it really ought to be using a socket rather than a pty | 04:37 |
| lamont | screen? | 04:37 |
| lamont | oh, X. | 04:38 |
| mdz | lamont: screen | 04:38 |
| mdz | for communication between users | 04:38 |
| lamont | ah, ok | 04:39 |
| lamont | mdz: where do you want the suid-diff emailed to? | 04:40 |
| mdz | lamont: security-review | 04:40 |
| lamont | @u.c? | 04:41 |
| mdz | @lists.ubuntu.com | 04:43 |
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| lamont | mdz: sent | 04:45 |
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| jdub | ha ha | 04:48 |
| jdub | "Don't worry; even if we upgrade to the new version, it still has remote root vulnerabilities in it." | 04:48 |
| jdub | ^ mdz doing his slightly verbose bobby mcferrin impression | 04:48 |
| lamont | jdub: lol | 04:49 |
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| lamont | mdz: msg awaits the moderator.. | 05:01 |
| tritium | Hi elmo. | 05:02 |
| lamont | wb elmo | 05:02 |
| mdz | lamont: please file a bug about the zsh thing; I can't focus on it tonight | 05:02 |
| lamont | ok | 05:02 |
| elmo | hi tritium, lamont | 05:03 |
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| lamont | mdz: and should I just assign it to me? :-) | 05:07 |
| mdz | lamont: I fixed half of it; I'll finish the job tomorrow | 05:07 |
| mdz | just don't want to forget | 05:07 |
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| lamont | right | 05:07 |
| mdz | I'm too tired to figure out wtf Src/Modules/Makefile comes from | 05:07 |
| lamont | will assign to you then | 05:07 |
| lamont | mdz: so was I when I got done with it... :) | 05:08 |
| lamont | and I apologize. :( | 05:08 |
| lamont | 7672 | 05:09 |
| eruin | who fixed the nb locale? :) I love you! | 05:10 |
| tritium | elmo, I sent emails to keyring and upload. May I inquire about the status of my request, if you have a spare moment? | 05:12 |
| elmo | tritium: when/where did you send them? | 05:13 |
| elmo | wasabi: ? | 05:13 |
| tritium | elmo, yesterday evening | 05:13 |
| tritium | elmo, from rimbert@purdue.edu | 05:13 |
| elmo | tritium: ok - that was a sunday evening for me, and I've just got back online after some hardware problems. I'll process you as soon as I've caught up | 05:14 |
| tritium | elmo, no problem. Thank you. I know you're busy, so I appreciate your time. | 05:14 |
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| wasabi | elmo, | 05:15 |
| wasabi | ? | 05:15 |
| elmo | wasabi: jsch FTBFS | 05:15 |
| wasabi | on i386? | 05:16 |
| wasabi | coulda sworn i pbuildered it | 05:16 |
| elmo | amd64 actually - not sure it matters tho, doesn't look arch specific | 05:16 |
| elmo | http://people.ubuntu.com/~james/paste/jsch.txt | 05:16 |
| wasabi | 404 | 05:16 |
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| lamont | 2 wireless mice in one house is a bad thing... | 05:17 |
| wasabi | you fell for the wireless trick | 05:17 |
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| tritium | they need CDMA wireless mice ;) | 05:17 |
| === wasabi just pbuilds jsch fine | ||
| elmo | wasabi: again | 05:17 |
| wasabi | hmmmm | 05:17 |
| wasabi | does /usr/share/ant1.6 exist for you? | 05:19 |
| elmo | wasabi: http://people.ubuntu.com/~james/paste/jsch2.txt | 05:19 |
| wasabi | is /usr/share/ant1.6/lib/ant.jar readable? that is the check that is failing | 05:21 |
| wasabi | if ! test -r "$(ANT_HOME)/lib/ant.jar" | 05:21 |
| elmo | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 914084 Oct 26 17:50 ant.jar | 05:21 |
| wasabi | well what the heck | 05:21 |
| elmo | ANT_HOME := /usr/share/ant | 05:21 |
| elmo | ? | 05:21 |
| elmo | that's in debian/rules | 05:21 |
| wasabi | eh... mine has 1.6. | 05:21 |
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| elmo | this is 0.1.19-1ubuntu1 which is what's in queue/NEW atm | 05:22 |
| wasabi | hmm. i have ubuntu2. let me go figure out what i did last night. | 05:23 |
| elmo | jsch_0.1.19-1ubuntu2_source.changes | 05:23 |
| elmo | REJECT | 05:23 |
| elmo | Rejected: jsch_0.1.19.orig.tar.gz file already exists in the New directory. | 05:23 |
| wasabi | that would know it out? | 05:24 |
| wasabi | knock | 05:24 |
| elmo | unfortunately yes - katie's not smart enough to detect they're the same file if it's in NEW | 05:24 |
| elmo | just upload without -sa and you'll be good | 05:24 |
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| wasabi | hey. bit embarressing. can you send me what's in New right now? :) | 05:25 |
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| elmo | heh | 05:25 |
| elmo | wasabi: put them in http://people.ubuntu.com/~james/paste/ | 05:26 |
| jdub | elmo: planet sync please :) | 05:26 |
| wasabi | 403 | 05:26 |
| elmo | meh | 05:26 |
| elmo | wasabi: fixed | 05:27 |
| wasabi | thx. | 05:27 |
| elmo | jdub: done | 05:28 |
| jdub | thanks | 05:28 |
| wasabi | elmo, done. | 05:35 |
| elmo | dear god, that's ugly compiler output | 05:37 |
| wasabi | =) | 05:38 |
| wasabi | I searched high and low but couldn't figure out how to disable warnings in ECJ | 05:38 |
| elmo | --stfu didn't work? | 05:38 |
| elmo | ;) | 05:38 |
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| wasabi | Someday I will either figure it out, or implement -nowarn | 05:39 |
| mdz | -nowarn? | 05:39 |
| wasabi | ... | 05:40 |
| wasabi | oh yes, it's being called from Ant, not from the command line | 05:40 |
| wasabi | that's why it wouldn't work | 05:40 |
| wasabi | gave me a heartattack there | 05:40 |
| lifeless | oh Clint - care to close that bug ? :) | 05:44 |
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| lamont | jdub? | 06:19 |
| jdub | yo! | 06:19 |
| lamont | can I have kernel-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com, me as admin? and can we point bz at that instead of kernel-team? | 06:19 |
| lamont | since that's 99.44% of the list traffic, and we're just not that pure | 06:19 |
| jdub | haha | 06:20 |
| jdub | i thought you might ask for that soon ;) | 06:20 |
| lamont | GRRR | 06:20 |
| jdub | give me a minute | 06:20 |
| mdz | lamont++ | 06:23 |
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| jdub | lamont: http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/admin/kernel-bugs | 06:26 |
| jdub | lamont: same pw as kernel-team, please add description/summary and make the list public when you're happy with it | 06:26 |
| lamont | woot | 06:27 |
| lamont | jdub: you mean same password as _you_ gave kernel-team... | 06:27 |
| lamont | hrm, | 06:27 |
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| jdub | lamont: hmm, should be password you changed it to | 06:28 |
| jdub | lamont: let me know if not :) | 06:28 |
| lamont | hrm... | 06:28 |
| fabbione | morning | 06:29 |
| lamont | jdub: either I can't type, or it's not the same | 06:29 |
| elmo | ok, if we release with this bloody gaim doesn't get to pop-up windows, I'm switching back to Debian :-P | 06:30 |
| elmo | (or something else old enough not to manifest it) | 06:30 |
| mdz | elmo: then they could go back to making you out to be the antichrist, instead of Ubuntu | 06:30 |
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| cc | does anyone know where theres a DEB archive of the Flash player from Macromedia ? | 06:40 |
| Treenaks | cc: yes | 06:40 |
| Treenaks | cc: but you can also just click the "puzzle" icon in firefox to install it automagicallt | 06:40 |
| Treenaks | y | 06:40 |
| crimsun | cc: flashplugin-nonfree | 06:40 |
| cc | crimsun: ok, thanks | 06:41 |
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| eruin | can I speak to anyone about the dma settings in linux-image here? | 07:02 |
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| eruin | I've had to compile my own kernel to set dma on for my standard ide hd/cd drives, and while doing so I noticed the ubuntu config had "CONFIG_IDEDMA_ONLYDISK=y" | 07:04 |
| fabbione | eruin: -> #ubuntu-kernel | 07:05 |
| eruin | thanks | 07:05 |
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| toresbe | that's just lame | 07:24 |
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| fabbione | morning sabdfl | 07:40 |
| fabbione | how is swiss? ;) | 07:40 |
| sabdfl | fabbione: the matterhorn is incredible | 07:42 |
| sabdfl | it's like some alien beacon | 07:42 |
| fabbione | ehehe | 07:42 |
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| fabbione | sabdfl: do you have any pic to show us? ;) | 08:05 |
| elmo | Mithrandir: ? | 08:12 |
| elmo | Mithrandir: why does mcelog not have an ubuntu version number if it's changed? if it's unchanged, why is it not a sync? | 08:13 |
| Mithrandir | elmo: it's not changed. | 08:13 |
| Mithrandir | elmo: it's from NEW | 08:13 |
| Mithrandir | elmo: I was told to do it this way by mdz. | 08:13 |
| elmo | pfft | 08:13 |
| Mithrandir | if I can ask you to grab stuff from Debian's NEW, that's fine with me. | 08:14 |
| Mithrandir | but I thought you didn't want to mix hats like that. | 08:14 |
| elmo | hang on - how did you get it out of NEW? | 08:15 |
| lifeless | I was waiting for that ;) | 08:15 |
| Mithrandir | elmo: I asked the maintainer. | 08:15 |
| elmo | pfft | 08:15 |
| Mithrandir | elmo: if you want a different process, that's fine with me, I just did what mdz told me. :) | 08:16 |
| elmo | pfft | 08:17 |
| elmo | ;) | 08:17 |
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| Mithrandir | and yes, I did vet the source and yes, I am trusting the developer who uploaded it to have given me the same source as he uploaded to NEW. | 08:18 |
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| dholbach | goood morning | 09:15 |
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| doko | mdz, jdub: gcc-3.4 builds finished on i386, powerpc, amd64, built firefox and grub on am64, still works for, ok to update (needed for the OOo2 build)? | 09:23 |
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| mvo | ping jordi | 09:45 |
| dholbach | hi mvo | 09:45 |
| mvo | hey dholbach | 09:46 |
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| jordi | mvo: pong | 09:49 |
| fabbione | hey pitti | 09:49 |
| pitti | Morning | 09:49 |
| dholbach | hai pitti | 09:50 |
| mvo | jordi: what's the status of utf-8 and nano? we won't get it before 1.4? | 09:50 |
| fabbione | pitti: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/changelog | 09:50 |
| jordi | mvo: no. | 09:50 |
| jordi | mvo: HEAD should be more or less there, I believe | 09:50 |
| jordi | but not yet releasable. | 09:50 |
| jordi | mvo: if Ubuntu is going to switch editors because of this, it could be enough pressure for the feature to be completed :) | 09:51 |
| pitti | fabbione: wow! nice work | 09:51 |
| fabbione | pitti: this is going in later today | 09:51 |
| fabbione | pitti: note that the debian security stuff (without CAN) is in the merge log | 09:52 |
| Mithrandir | fabbione: you are insane. :) | 09:52 |
| pitti | fabbione: this already contains all protentially security relevant patches you mentioned? | 09:52 |
| mvo | jordi: I'm tempted to ask for a switch because of this | 09:52 |
| pitti | ah, ok | 09:52 |
| fabbione | pitti: yes | 09:52 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: really? | 09:52 |
| jordi | mvo: ugh. dude | 09:52 |
| Mithrandir | fabbione: yeah. In a good way. | 09:52 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: i have never noticed it :P | 09:52 |
| mvo | jordi: seriously, it's a problem | 09:52 |
| jordi | I know, I know | 09:52 |
| jordi | it wasn't before with latin1 as default. | 09:53 |
| mvo | no patches floating around or something (/me hopes) | 09:53 |
| jordi | let me ping the nano list and David. | 09:53 |
| jordi | mvo: you've only tried with 1.2, right? | 09:53 |
| mvo | jordi: that would be very kind. | 09:53 |
| mvo | yes, I only tried 1.2 | 09:53 |
| jordi | the current 1.3 in experimental should be pretty unusable, but there's a patch to fix it a bit. | 09:53 |
| jordi | mvo: ok. let me see what I find. | 09:54 |
| mvo | it's 1.3.5? | 09:54 |
| mvo | in experimental? | 09:54 |
| jordi | hmm, there's commits in cvs. | 09:54 |
| jordi | - UTF-8 support. [DONE except for edit window text wrapping, help window | 09:54 |
| jordi | text wrapping, and the NO_CONVERT flag.] | 09:54 |
| jordi | mvo: want me to cook a quick deb based on HEAD? | 09:54 |
| mvo | sounds pretty good | 09:54 |
| mvo | jordi: let's what what upstream says first, ok? | 09:55 |
| jordi | mvo: yah. | 09:55 |
| jordi | creating a deb would take 2 mins tho | 09:55 |
| mvo | hehe | 09:55 |
| mvo | feel free (if it really takes only 2 minutes) :) | 09:55 |
| === jordi reautogens. :) | ||
| === smurfix reads fabio's changelog and is speechless | ||
| jordi | yeah, it's quite impressive. | 09:57 |
| jordi | Fabio the Great | 09:57 |
| toresbe | what worries me is that you are severely failing to feel sorry for me | 09:58 |
| toresbe | seeing how i'm sick today | 09:58 |
| jordi | mvo: so this is for hoary? | 09:59 |
| Mithrandir | toresbe: aren't you always sick [by caring that much about so many weird architectures] ? | 09:59 |
| toresbe | Mithrandir: well, I'm always mentally sick | 09:59 |
| toresbe | Mithrandir: but I have a very soar throat | 10:00 |
| toresbe | It hurts to breathe | 10:00 |
| Mithrandir | I was about to suggest stop, but I guess that's not a good idea | 10:00 |
| toresbe | hehe | 10:00 |
| mvo | jordi: yes, hoary | 10:00 |
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| mvo | is there something like pythons os.path.normpath() for the shell? | 10:21 |
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| Treenaks | mvo: basename? | 10:22 |
| mvo | Treenaks: not quite what I want. I want a nice path afterwards even if I feed it with "/lala//lu/x//" -> "/lala/lu/x" | 10:22 |
| pitti | mvo: try readlink -f | 10:24 |
| pitti | mvo: oh no, you need a real file for this | 10:24 |
| mvo | pitti: yes :/ | 10:25 |
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| mvo | how do other people deal with building a path from e.g. "$dir/$subdir/$subsub" if the user can specify each of the vars and some will add a trailing "/" ? just ignore that there may be the double "//"? | 10:28 |
| Mithrandir | mvo: remove the trailing /, if you care? | 10:28 |
| Treenaks | s#//#/#g ? | 10:29 |
| Mithrandir | mvo: var=${var%/} | 10:29 |
| pitti | Treenaks: you need to do this recursively | 10:29 |
| Treenaks | pitti: hmm. yes | 10:30 |
| mvo | Mithrandir: this will "/var/lib" -> "/var"? but in this case everything is fine and I don't want the path to change. | 10:30 |
| Mithrandir | mvo: it will change /var/lib/ to /var/lib | 10:30 |
| pitti | mvo: why does it hurt in the first place? | 10:30 |
| Mithrandir | it won't change /var/lib | 10:30 |
| mvo | Mithrandir: oh, right | 10:30 |
| Mithrandir | : tfheen@shonap ~ > foo=/var/lib | 10:31 |
| Mithrandir | : tfheen@shonap ~ > echo ${foo%/} | 10:31 |
| Mithrandir | /var/lib | 10:31 |
| Mithrandir | : tfheen@shonap ~ > foo=/var/lib/ | 10:31 |
| Mithrandir | : tfheen@shonap ~ > echo ${foo%/} | 10:31 |
| Mithrandir | /var/lib | 10:31 |
| mvo | pitti: it does not really hurt, it just does not look nice and I wanted to know how others deal with it and if there is something I missed | 10:31 |
| pitti | mvo: if it's a real file, I use readlink -f | 10:31 |
| mvo | Mithrandir: thanks | 10:31 |
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| Kamion | Mithrandir: you don't need to trust the maintainer, .changes files in NEW are readable by developers and have the md5sums :) | 10:37 |
| svenl | daniels: mmm, what did you do to the bug report ? I didn't get it. | 10:37 |
| svenl | Kamion: did you have any chance to look at the pegasos yaboot-installer issue ? Or even managed to flash the machine ? | 10:38 |
| daniels | svenl: just changed the status from NEW (i.e. untouched) to ASSIGNED (meaning that I'll work on it) | 10:38 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: true, I forgot about that. | 10:38 |
| Kamion | svenl: as I said to you, I flashed the machine but then ran into the yaboot-doesn't-boot-from-CD bug; I saw your comment yesterday that yaboot/netboot works fine, so I'm going to try that today | 10:46 |
| jordi | mvo: is UTF-8 support necessary for the udeb? | 10:48 |
| jordi | mvo: if so, I need to make changes to the packaging, as nano udeb uses SLang | 10:48 |
| mvo | jordi: Kamion knowns that better than I do, but I think it is not needed for the udeb (at least not for your testing deb) | 10:50 |
| jordi | ok | 10:53 |
| jordi | completely untested debs uploading to people.debian.org/~jordi/ | 10:54 |
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| jordi | mvo: initial testing shows some propblems with scrolling | 10:56 |
| jordi | but display is good. | 10:57 |
| jordi | I'll talk to david. Shouldn't take long to make it good. | 10:57 |
| mvo | jordi: thanks, just downloaded | 10:57 |
| Kamion | uh | 10:57 |
| Kamion | UTF-8 support would be really handy for the udeb; the installer is UTF-8 throughout | 10:57 |
| jordi | Kamion: does ubuntu use nano at all during the install? | 10:58 |
| mvo | jordi: hrm, it does not let me edit some german umlauts | 10:58 |
| jordi | I guess in expert mode it does | 10:58 |
| Kamion | but be a bit careful, there's scary libslang-pic packaging there to do with how the initrd is built | 10:58 |
| jordi | mvo: what do you mean with edit? | 10:58 |
| Kamion | jordi: nothing to do with expert mode, you can switch to tty2 and use nano | 10:58 |
| jordi | I can insert accents and or whatever. | 10:58 |
| jordi | Kamion: nod | 10:58 |
| jordi | Kamion: I can link the udeb with ncursesw or ncurses if it's enough. | 10:59 |
| Kamion | so currently, debian-installer build-depends on slang1-utf8-pic | 10:59 |
| jordi | does anything else use ncursesw? | 10:59 |
| Mithrandir | daniels (or any other .au-ians): what's a reasonable .au airline? | 10:59 |
| Kamion | is that enough? | 10:59 |
| jordi | Kamion: according to configure, nope, but I can check more carefully. | 10:59 |
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| mvo | jordi: when I try to enter certain charackters that are fine in the gnome-terminal and vim (like <- capital) | 10:59 |
| Kamion | jordi: a new dependency on ncursesw? we'd need to figure out scary library reduction stuff for that | 11:00 |
| thom | Mithrandir: internal only? virgin blue or qantas are the two i've used | 11:00 |
| jordi | Kamion: if it's not in ubuntu's base system we can look if ncurses is enough | 11:00 |
| Mithrandir | thom: yeah, from Sydney to Canberra for LCA | 11:00 |
| jordi | mvo: there's a flagrant byte vs char issue here. | 11:00 |
| Kamion | jordi: no, it's not that; there's no libncurses*-pic so AFAIK library reduction won't work properly; and the contents of Ubuntu's base system are almost entirely irrelevant to what you can assume in the installer | 11:00 |
| Kamion | jordi: I think for hoary maybe best just leave UTF-8 support out of the udeb, we can figure this sort of stuff out later | 11:01 |
| jordi | Kamion: ok. | 11:01 |
| jordi | this will be a lot easier once nano 1.4.0 is released I hope. | 11:02 |
| daniels | Mithrandir: virginblue.com.au are cheap, qantas.com.au are good (and better if you're connecting from an international flight) | 11:02 |
| jordi | I'll ping Daniel to see what needs to be done. | 11:02 |
| jordi | Kamion: is it common to find non-ASCII files when installing? | 11:02 |
| daniels | Mithrandir: but Qantas are your only option since Virgin don't fly out of Canberra | 11:02 |
| jordi | I guess the autogenerated fstab might have. | 11:02 |
| dholbach | hi elmo, could you please sync mindi mondo (both fix an issue reported on the mailing list) fuse (needed for gmailfs transition) asc (new one shouldn't have unmet build-deps anymore) rox-filer conglomerate afterstep (quite a lot of bugfixes) and fluxbox (security issues) from sid, pretty please | 11:02 |
| Mithrandir | daniels: ok, thanks. | 11:03 |
| Mithrandir | I _hate_ airline booking systems. They all suck. | 11:03 |
| thom | Mithrandir: yes. | 11:03 |
| d3vic3 | Mithrandir, I tend to agree | 11:03 |
| Mithrandir | I'm amazed that they manage to suck in more or less the same way. All of them. | 11:04 |
| jordi | ok, nano-tiny with slang has bad utf-8 issues | 11:04 |
| pitti | daniels: here? | 11:04 |
| svenl | Kamion: ah, yes, sorry, forgot about that. | 11:05 |
| svenl | Kamion: anything i can do for that ? | 11:05 |
| Mithrandir | the qantas site wasn't _that_ bad. | 11:05 |
| Kamion | jordi: I was trying to edit UTF-8 files with nano-udeb just yesterday ;) | 11:05 |
| Kamion | jordi: not sure I'd call it "common" though | 11:05 |
| === daniels looks at pitti, SSHes to chinstrap. | ||
| pitti | daniels: :-) | 11:06 |
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| Mithrandir | Kamion: I think you're a fairly special use-case. :P | 11:06 |
| pitti | Hi seb128 | 11:06 |
| Kamion | svenl: well, you're already looking at yaboot-from-CD, so apart from that I'll let you know once I get it netbooted :) | 11:06 |
| elmo | [NOT Updating - Modified] conglomerate_0.7.16-1ubuntu1 (vs 0.9.0-1) | 11:06 |
| elmo | [NOT Updating - Modified] fuse_1.3-1ubuntu1 (vs 2.2.1-1) | 11:06 |
| elmo | dholbach: ok to override? | 11:06 |
| Kamion | in the meantime, time for a DVD test ... | 11:06 |
| jordi | Kamion: I see. :) | 11:06 |
| seb128 | hey pitti | 11:06 |
| dholbach | elmo: conglomerate yes | 11:06 |
| dholbach | elmo: will have to check fuse first | 11:07 |
| Kamion | jordi: (specifically I was testing UTF-8 names in /etc/passwd) | 11:07 |
| seb128 | hey elmo | 11:07 |
| dholbach | hi seb128 | 11:07 |
| seb128 | elmo: openh323 / pwlib / gnomemeeting sync please :) | 11:07 |
| Kamion | hmmmmm. initial DVD boot not so pretty. | 11:07 |
| seb128 | Hi dholbach | 11:07 |
| elmo | [NOT Updating - Modified] gnomemeeting_1.2.0-2ubuntu2 (vs 1.2.1-1) | 11:07 |
| svenl | Kamion: ok. | 11:07 |
| elmo | seb128: k-to-override? | 11:08 |
| seb128 | sec | 11:08 |
| seb128 | hum | 11:08 |
| seb128 | I'll merge it, thanks for noticing | 11:08 |
| seb128 | but I need pwlib and openh323 for that | 11:08 |
| seb128 | just pwlib and openh323, thanks | 11:09 |
| elmo | seb128: done | 11:09 |
| seb128 | thank you | 11:09 |
| dholbach | elmo: fuse will take me some time | 11:10 |
| dholbach | elmo: thank you :-) | 11:10 |
| elmo | dholbach: ok, done all but fuse | 11:12 |
| dholbach | elmo: you rock! thanks a lot :-) | 11:12 |
| fabbione | fuse has some fixes to be able to build with our kenrels | 11:14 |
| fabbione | and the kernel-image/linux-image changes | 11:14 |
| fabbione | that's whay i did basically | 11:14 |
| dholbach | fabbione: thanks... i'll check the debdiff of the last two versions | 11:15 |
| dholbach | fabbione: an merge manually | 11:15 |
| pitti | elmo: can you please remove mozilla-firefox-locale-{fr,tr} ? | 11:15 |
| Kamion | whoa, a DVD+RW shows up in parted as writable, so the partitioner offers you the chance to erase it. :) | 11:16 |
| === seb128 slaps pitti | ||
| pitti | seb128: who needs french anyway? :-) | 11:16 |
| === seb128 slaps pitti again :p | ||
| pitti | seb128: no, seriously, we already have -fr-fr from m-f-locale-all | 11:17 |
| seb128 | bah, the question is rather | 11:17 |
| dholbach | pitti: we have http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MorgueCandidates for that :-) | 11:17 |
| seb128 | who needs firefox ? :p | 11:17 |
| thom | seb128: uh, you do? | 11:17 |
| seb128 | right | 11:17 |
| seb128 | who needs firefox translations ? :p | 11:17 |
| svenl | Kamion: is todays daily ubuntu installer supposed to work ? | 11:18 |
| thom | seb128: ... especially french ones? :p | 11:18 |
| === pitti tests new warty kernel, brb | ||
| pitti | thom: ... which nobody understands anyway :-) | 11:18 |
| seb128 | rooh | 11:19 |
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| jdub | ha ha | 11:24 |
| jdub | oh man | 11:24 |
| Treenaks | ? | 11:24 |
| jdub | dholbach: is nicole your girlfriend? :) | 11:24 |
| dholbach | jdub: hahaaaahaaa, she really sent that mail.... she's my ex-girlfriend :-) | 11:25 |
| === dholbach can't believe it | ||
| dholbach | :-) | 11:25 |
| jdub | she obviously still thinks highly of you ;) | 11:25 |
| dholbach | jdub: i think highly of her too | 11:25 |
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| Kamion | svenl: I haven't tried it yet | 11:26 |
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| svenl | Kamion: seems to work, two days ago there where modules problems, but maybe i miscopied the vmlinux or something. | 11:29 |
| Kamion | svenl: I'm not aware of problems today, although we're about to do another kernel ABI change so it's possible those sneaked in before the CD build or something | 11:31 |
| svenl | Kamion: mmm, any chance to get the gigabit ethernet driver fix in for the this new kernel ? | 11:32 |
| Kamion | svenl: -> fabbione | 11:32 |
| fabbione | svenl: if you have the patch handy yes | 11:32 |
| fabbione | but you have like.. 10 minutes to give it to me | 11:32 |
| fabbione | nothing against the fix but i need to start the build orgy prior upload | 11:33 |
| Kamion | grr, why does the DVD install want the CD in the second stage? | 11:34 |
| Kamion | er, the DVD, rather | 11:34 |
| svenl | Ok. | 11:34 |
| fabbione | wrong hack in archive-copier? | 11:34 |
| Kamion | dunno, it seemed to do its job OK | 11:34 |
| svenl | fabbione: get powerpc-mv643xx-enet.dpatch from the debian svn repo, this one went upstream for 2.6.12. | 11:35 |
| fabbione | svenl: from 2.6.10 or 2.6.11? | 11:35 |
| fabbione | and is it the only one required? | 11:35 |
| fabbione | does it build on 2.6.10? | 11:35 |
| Kamion | hmm; it wants gs-gpl.deb | 11:36 |
| === Kamion suspects subtly broken dependencies | ||
| Kamion | oh, and gs.deb | 11:36 |
| svenl | from 2.6.10 | 11:36 |
| svenl | err, 2.6.11 | 11:36 |
| thom | jdub: you can't have industrial firefox; we're shipping http://people.zeelandnet.nl/marco/pimpzilla/images/pimpzilla.jpg | 11:36 |
| svenl | let me check. | 11:36 |
| jdub | is that the one with the torn paper? | 11:36 |
| svenl | well, it builds, but the i need to check if the patch applies cleanly. | 11:37 |
| jdub | oh yeah, that one | 11:37 |
| svenl | fabbione: then get http://people.debian.org/~luther/powerpc-mv643xx-eth-pegasos.dpatch | 11:37 |
| thom | "upimpu" | 11:37 |
| Treenaks | pimpbuntu | 11:37 |
| doko | jdub, kamion, mdz: any word on the gcc-3.4 upload, or did I miss your approval? diff on chinstrap:~doko/gcc-3.4.diff | 11:38 |
| pitti | daniels: you set #7558 (libxpm4) to pending, do you also have warty packages? | 11:38 |
| jdub | doko: i'll leave that one to mdz | 11:38 |
| fabbione | svenl: is the patch on people enough or do i need both? | 11:38 |
| svenl | fabbione: the patch is split. | 11:39 |
| svenl | fabbione: powerpc-mv643xx-enet.dpatch is the arch-indep drivers patch that went upstream via dale fornsworth, while the one on p.d.o is the pegasos specific initialization part. | 11:40 |
| daniels | pitti: not right now, but I'm going to make them up later tonight | 11:40 |
| pitti | ah, ok | 11:40 |
| svenl | fabbione: can you quickly check if it applies, if not let's wait for another time, there is no way i can test this locally in the next 10 minutes, i don't have the source tarball for 2.6.10 here. | 11:41 |
| fabbione | ok | 11:41 |
| svenl | fabbione: and no ubuntu chroot or such. | 11:41 |
| fabbione | testing now | 11:42 |
| svenl | fabbione: also, what about adding the mkvmlinuz support script ? | 11:42 |
| fabbione | svenl: one thing at a time please | 11:42 |
| svenl | fabbione: ok. | 11:42 |
| fabbione | i already have enouhg stuff boiling on my desktop | 11:42 |
| svenl | fabbione: ok, no problem, just asking, altough the mkvmlinuz support is just to copy one file to kernel-source/debian prior to make-kpkg kernel-image, but this can wait for later. | 11:43 |
| fabbione | svenl: just a second please.. i can even add it, but i need to focus on it... | 11:43 |
| fabbione | jusst gimme a few secs | 11:44 |
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| svenl | fabbione: no problem. | 11:44 |
| fabbione | svenl: it applies... but noidea if 1) compiles 2) works | 11:47 |
| fabbione | what is the patch supposed to do? fix the driver? or is it just an enanchment? | 11:48 |
| mvo | ping jdub | 11:50 |
| Mithrandir | elmo: sorry to nag you, but could you un-PaS ooo-amd64 for ia64 and tvtime for amd64? | 11:51 |
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| fabbione | svenl: ok we will keep this changes for the next upoad (given that they won't destroy the ABI) | 11:52 |
| elmo | Mithrandir: done | 11:53 |
| Mithrandir | elmo: thanks a lot | 11:53 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: ooo-amd64 should be a happy badger on ia64 now. | 11:54 |
| === aj marvels that what mithrandir just said could possibly make any sense | ||
| daniels | aj: badgerbadgerbadgerbadger | 11:56 |
| Kamion | hooray, thanks | 11:56 |
| elmo | aj: it should really be called ooo-32bitlibsfor64bitarches | 11:56 |
| elmo | or something | 11:56 |
| Kamion | ooo-EVIL | 11:56 |
| Kamion | damn, no caps in package names | 11:57 |
| daniels | either that, or just assume that it's because the ia64 really wants to be an amd64 when it grows up | 11:57 |
| aj | daniels: oo, bendy? | 11:57 |
| Mithrandir | ooo-3v17 | 11:57 |
| daniels | aj: grumble | 11:57 |
| Mithrandir | daniels: *chuckle* | 11:57 |
| aj | hrm | 11:57 |
| daniels | ooo-thispackageistollefsfaultblamehim | 11:57 |
| aj | maybe that could be the t-shirt prize at this lca, pick a name for ubuntu's next release | 11:57 |
| Treenaks | daniels: ooo-izgtkboog | 11:58 |
| jordi | daniels: I like this one. | 11:58 |
| jordi | Treenaks: in the end, it's thom's fault. | 11:58 |
| Treenaks | jordi: as always | 11:58 |
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| === Mithrandir multiarchifies daniels | ||
| aj | elmo: yes, you're right, mail to mark is the way to suggest this, not mentioning it on irc! | 11:59 |
| svenl | fabbione: fix the driver, ok for the next upload, any idea when it will be ? | 12:00 |
| jdub | mvo: pong | 12:01 |
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| fabbione | svenl: not really... but i can start testing immediatly after this upload | 12:01 |
| svenl | fabbione: ok. | 12:01 |
| fabbione | svenl: i have the patches here.. if you update them, please let me know | 12:01 |
| svenl | fabbione: i will let you know. | 12:01 |
| svenl | fabbione: what about mkvmlinuz stuff ? | 12:02 |
| fabbione | svenl: let's make it for the next upload too | 12:02 |
| fabbione | so we can test everything | 12:02 |
| fabbione | it makes me feel unconfortable to make changes now that i have been nuilding this kernel for 5 days | 12:02 |
| fabbione | s/nuilding/building | 12:02 |
| fabbione | svenl: if the changes are ok (no ABI breakage) i can upload the next kernel even tomorrow | 12:03 |
| fabbione | that's not a problem | 12:04 |
| fabbione | but i can't spend too much time today on it | 12:04 |
| Treenaks | fabbione: have a look at #7651 as well then (microscopic fix for a panic) | 12:04 |
| fabbione | Treenaks: please remind me later or tomorrow | 12:05 |
| Treenaks | fabbione: ok | 12:05 |
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| svenl | fabbione: ok, fine with me. | 12:09 |
| svenl | fabbione: the changes are not touching the ABI, to my knolwedge, but please check. | 12:09 |
| fabbione | svenl: yes i will | 12:10 |
| jordi | do you guys expect sabdl to come to IRC sometime this morning? | 12:10 |
| jordi | sabdfl, even | 12:10 |
| fabbione | jordi: he was here this mornign | 12:11 |
| jordi | fabbione: bah, missed him then | 12:11 |
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| fabbione | Kamion: are you still around? | 12:18 |
| fabbione | i forgot to ask you something... | 12:18 |
| fabbione | Kamion: | 12:18 |
| fabbione | * Fix hppa FTBFS: | 12:18 |
| fabbione | - Remove debian/d-i/hppa/modules/hppa/nfs-modules.lnk since all nfs is | 12:18 |
| fabbione | compiled in. | 12:18 |
| fabbione | do i need to make kernel-image Provides: nfs-modules? | 12:19 |
| dholbach | seb128: openh323 seems to deserve a kick, because it depended on newly built pwlib, or am i wrong? | 12:21 |
| seb128 | dholbach: lemme me check, you are reading the build logs every 5 min or what ? :) | 12:26 |
| seb128 | dholbach: are you sure it's not in dep-wait ? | 12:26 |
| dholbach | seb128: it didnt build first, but now it seems to be alright | 12:27 |
| seb128 | k | 12:27 |
| dholbach | seb128: i'm waiting for them to build, to get t38modem ohphone asterisk openam openmcu gnugk synced ;-) | 12:28 |
| sladen | Kamion: what's your take on a simplied ''bash completions'' one that just handles sudo/su re-handoff | 12:30 |
| === fabbione -> shower -> food | ||
| === sladen is relieved to find that fabbione washes | ||
| fabbione | sladen: yeah... once a year | 12:33 |
| fabbione | you are lucky that UDU is pretty soon ;) | 12:33 |
| d3vic3 | lol | 12:33 |
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| pitti | d3vic3: why, he will never block the shower :-) | 12:34 |
| d3vic3 | pitti, heh, thats the problem | 12:35 |
| pitti | gosh, bugzilla sucks through a slow link | 12:35 |
| daniels | 2005-03-15 Alan Hourihane <alanh@fairlite.demon.co.uk> | 12:36 |
| daniels | * programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/drivers/i810/i830_driver.c | 12:36 |
| daniels | * programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/drivers/i810/i830_modes.c | 12:36 |
| daniels | Enforce DDC monitor ranges usage if we have them and reject bad | 12:36 |
| daniels | modes. Use NoDDC option to override DDC timings. We currently | 12:36 |
| daniels | only use DS_RANGES, but could use other DDC information, as does | 12:36 |
| daniels | the common layer, to deduce the h/v ranges. | 12:36 |
| sladen | pitti: that'll be the SSL | 12:37 |
| daniels | HHHHUUUULLLLKKKKK SSSSMMMMMAAASSSSSHHHHHH | 12:37 |
| pitti | sladen: I rather think it might be the huuuuuge package list that is delivered with each page? | 12:37 |
| daniels | 'we could actually make this driver halfway useful. but we're not.' | 12:37 |
| sladen | pitti: oh yes, that too. that could really do with being switched to a Google-suggest RPC requestion leetness | 12:38 |
| thom | sladen: patches... ;-) | 12:39 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: it's not huge, it's 2-300k. :) | 12:40 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: it's huge if you download this with a 56 kbps link | 12:40 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: my main network is down :-( | 12:40 |
| thom | 2-300k of uncacheable, uncompressable joy | 12:40 |
| daniels | mjg59: with a little bit of tweaking, this could rescue i8xx acpi/dri for hoary | 12:41 |
| daniels | thom: fsvo 'joy' | 12:41 |
| Mithrandir | thom: it can be cached. | 12:41 |
| daniels | pitti: now you see why I complained so much while I was on dialup | 12:41 |
| Mithrandir | just set browser.cache.disk_cache_ssl to true | 12:41 |
| Mithrandir | in FF | 12:41 |
| thom | Mithrandir: nope, it's ssl, browser won't cache by default | 12:41 |
| Mithrandir | thom: "by default". User can change it. :) | 12:41 |
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| pitti | daniels: I feel with you | 12:42 |
| === thom wonders whether this will fix firefox bidi crap | ||
| mjg59 | daniels: Mm? | 12:42 |
| pitti | daniels: this bastard of admin went to holidays without giving anybody the passwords. *grrrrr* | 12:42 |
| mjg59 | daniels: Oh, shit. That means Do the DRM patch, doesn't it? | 12:42 |
| daniels | mjg59: possibly make i830 usable for desktops -> not booting the HEAD code out | 12:43 |
| daniels | mjg59: you know what time it is | 12:43 |
| mjg59 | Time for me to write my GUADEC paper, do a submission for Debconf, write code for work, do 3 hours of teaching, tell my landlord that we're not paying a bill, organise travel to .au and, uhm? | 12:44 |
| thom | mjg59: what should we do with swap after a busted hibernate? is unconditional mkswap towards the end of rcS or so reasonable? | 12:44 |
| daniels | mjg59: yeah, I've still got my LCA paper. :\ | 12:44 |
| mjg59 | thom: I talked to jbailey about this - make the mkswap conditional on there being a swsusp header | 12:44 |
| sladen | mmm, that completion list could be cut in 1/3rd just by storing it more efficently | 12:46 |
| Mithrandir | sladen: gzip JS decoder? | 12:47 |
| sladen | Mithrandir: hahah. Nope, it's sending both indexs; a[123] = "foo"; b["foo"] = 123; except that 'a' and 'b' are both 15 characters long and indented; and the email address is being send (when most are duplicated) | 12:49 |
| Mithrandir | sladen: sounds wasted, yes. | 12:50 |
| === doko wonders if fabbione sees more cpus on davis than me ... | ||
| sladen | grep physical.id | sort -u ? | 12:51 |
| svenl | Mmm, what is the "starting periodic command scheduler" supposed to do ? | 12:53 |
| Mithrandir | svenl: cron? | 12:53 |
| svenl | Mithrandir: any particular reason why the post-install boot should die at this point (true, i had to hard-reboot it because of missing input but still). | 12:54 |
| Mithrandir | svenl: no, not really. PPc? | 12:55 |
| Mithrandir | s/c/C/ | 12:55 |
| svenl | Mithrandir: yep. | 12:55 |
| Mithrandir | you don't have noapic and friends, then? | 12:55 |
| svenl | its sitting there since a couple of minutes. | 12:56 |
| svenl | ok, i will reinstall, just to be sure i didn't hose something. | 12:56 |
| svenl | Mithrandir: no, none of this stuff. | 12:56 |
| svenl | Mithrandir: it used to work earlier even. | 12:56 |
| Mithrandir | unsure, then | 12:56 |
| svenl | ctr-alt-del brings the box down, so its not dead. | 12:57 |
| thom | i'd love to know where people come up with the numbers of ubuntu staff | 12:57 |
| Mithrandir | thom: oh? | 12:57 |
| Mithrandir | where? | 12:57 |
| thom | Mithrandir: http://www.grep.be/blog/2005/03/15#release_meeting_retort in this case | 12:58 |
| sladen | it gets better! Aswell as the 659kB file, there's a 295kB .js with a duplicate set of data too | 12:58 |
| sladen | 1MB per refresh. r. | 12:58 |
| dholbach | elmo: could you please sync t38modem ohphone zaptel openam openmcu gnugk ? | 12:59 |
| Mithrandir | thom: actually, somebody posted ~30 in the big flame thread. | 12:59 |
| Mithrandir | thom: somebody interpreted that as "30 DDs working 24/7 working on ubuntu" rather than "30 canonical employees" | 01:00 |
| daniels | Mithrandir: someone -> keybuk | 01:00 |
| daniels | which is slightly frustrating; canonical has more than 30 employees, and the distro team certainly doesn't have anywhere near 30 | 01:00 |
| jdub | Mithrandir: ha ha ha 30! | 01:00 |
| Kamion | fabbione: yes, provides: nfs-modules would be good for correctness | 01:01 |
| svenl | I think someone official from canonical/ubuntu cited 36 somewhere public recently. | 01:01 |
| Kamion | fabbione: not critical, but good :) | 01:01 |
| fabbione | Kamion: roger that.. done :-) | 01:01 |
| elmo | dholbach: done | 01:02 |
| thom | svenl: that's total canonical staff, which is utterly not the same thing | 01:02 |
| jdub | and it's not even correct | 01:02 |
| Kamion | svenl: doesn't sound too far off; but again, that's all of Canonical, only about 15 of those work on Ubuntu | 01:03 |
| jdub | we're closer to 50 | 01:03 |
| Kamion | 50 now? wow | 01:03 |
| ogra | DDs ? | 01:03 |
| Kamion | ogra: the majority, but not all | 01:03 |
| elmo | err? | 01:03 |
| Kamion | ogra: majority of those working on Ubuntu, that is | 01:03 |
| Kamion | not the majority of Canonical staff | 01:03 |
| ogra | thats what i thought | 01:03 |
| svenl | thom: well, i am just saying where i believe the idea comes from. | 01:04 |
| dholbach | elmo: you rock! | 01:04 |
| svenl | Kamion: but then you have to count the whole lot of people who work on ubuntu without working for ubuntu -> non-full-time-employees and such. | 01:04 |
| elmo | dholbach: dude, syncs are insanely easy - you should really be less grateful :) | 01:04 |
| Kamion | svenl: sure, but those are equivalent to the people working on Debian in the same way | 01:04 |
| Kamion | and there are many fewer people working for Ubuntu like that; it's, what, 10, 20? | 01:05 |
| svenl | Kamion: the main problem is one of comunication, i personally know more about ubuntu now that a couple of month ago, but i am still not confortable with the whole thing, and i bet many others may feel the same way. | 01:05 |
| mvo | elmo: we'll need to sync nessus-plugins soon from debian because upstream claims our version is not redistributable (not now, still wait for a mail from him) | 01:06 |
| jdub | Kamion: although being MASTERS OF THE UNIVERSE, they count for like, three people each. | 01:06 |
| svenl | Kamion: i think the main problem is the high amount of debian high profile folk working fulltime for ubuntu or something, and especially those in the 'not-enough-time' position to fullfill their debian roles, i don't say this is rational, but this is what i feel the feeling at large are to some degree. | 01:06 |
| dholbach | elmo: i _am_ grateful: look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseUnmetDeps - i'm absolutely happy for every entry we can kick from it :-) | 01:07 |
| Kamion | svenl: for somebody who isn't saying it's rational, you do seem to be mentioning it more than anyone else ... :-) | 01:07 |
| svenl | Kamion: because it may not be fully rational doesn't mean we don't feel like it. | 01:08 |
| dholbach | jdub: woohoo! | 01:08 |
| daniels | svenl: in that case, it probably doesn't help to go around repeating it | 01:08 |
| ogra | jdub, yay | 01:09 |
| svenl | Kamion: bah, let's go back to work instead, already lost enough time with yesterday's craziness. | 01:09 |
| Kamion | daniels: #7664> I wonder if I can come up with a way to allow d-i components to request packages to be installed by base-config | 01:09 |
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| Kamion | daniels: but thanks, that should solve it | 01:09 |
| jbailey | thom: #7463 | 01:10 |
| daniels | Kamion: mmm ... yeah | 01:10 |
| daniels | Kamion: it was either an undeclared dep or stupid package placement in any case (fwiw, it was the latter) | 01:11 |
| Kamion | daniels: ok, if you could put a note in that bug when it's sorted, I'll retest and see if that fixes Greek installs; it was a bit subtle so I'm not entirely sure I can pin it down to just one thing | 01:14 |
| daniels | Kamion: yeah, should be uploaded tonight | 01:14 |
| svenl | Kamion: BTW, what is with this failure to detect that there is no keyboard when using the serial console ? | 01:14 |
| Kamion | although I guess I could comment out the unifont installation and see if that fixes it ... will try that noe | 01:14 |
| Kamion | now | 01:14 |
| Kamion | svenl: not familiar with that issue | 01:14 |
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| thom | jbailey: thanks | 01:15 |
| svenl | Kamion: the keyboard dialog comes up, and you get asked about three choices. continuing without keyboard fails, asking to detect keyboard with a few keystrokes makes the whole thing continue as it should. | 01:15 |
| Kamion | svenl: oh, I blame smurfix :) | 01:15 |
| Kamion | I don't think his new keyboard selector has been tested on serial console much at all | 01:16 |
| Kamion | kbd-chooser bug would be good | 01:16 |
| svenl | ok, will do so at next install, so i have the real message under the eye. | 01:16 |
| herzi | seb128: ping | 01:16 |
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| Kamion | svenl: cool, thanks | 01:17 |
| svenl | herzi: you asked me about pegasos support earlier. | 01:18 |
| svenl | herzi: do you want the OF upgrade that allows to try an installation with yaboot ? | 01:18 |
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| herzi | svenl: yes, but i won't upgrade/install the pegasos now as my other production system went to the vendor yesterday (no image anymore with any graphics device) and I don't plan to break my last production system too | 01:20 |
| seb128 | herzi: pong | 01:20 |
| herzi | seb128: 7686 | 01:21 |
| herzi | this one seems to be an easy fix | 01:21 |
| svenl | herzi: ok, tell me when you are ready for it and i will send it to you. | 01:21 |
| seb128 | herzi: I'll have a look thanks | 01:21 |
| herzi | svenl: i guess we're talking about 4 weeks | 01:22 |
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| blawk | heya folks | 01:23 |
| daniels | mjg59: rock. this is entirely doable. | 01:23 |
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| seb128 | herzi: | 01:31 |
| seb128 | $ find gnome-doc-utils-0.1.3/ -name "*template*" | 01:31 |
| seb128 | $ | 01:32 |
| Kamion | Mithrandir: OOo restored to ia64 desktop | 01:32 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: I guess t-bone is happy, then. | 01:32 |
| fabbione | re | 01:34 |
| Kamion | sladen: no opinion really, guess it seems reasonable as long as it cooperates with the normal completion file | 01:39 |
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| Nafallo | fabbione: ping? | 01:43 |
| fabbione | pong | 01:43 |
| Nafallo | fabbione: would it be usefull to drop mplayer-custom and make mplayer-nogui on all arches with only INDEP? | 01:44 |
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| fabbione | Nafallo: i am not working on mplayer right now. i have more important things to do | 01:45 |
| Nafallo | fabbione: oki. | 01:45 |
| === fabbione kicks pitti | ||
| pitti | fabbione: ? | 01:46 |
| fabbione | not another glibc update! | 01:46 |
| pitti | fabbione: as always, this will be the really last one :-) | 01:46 |
| fabbione | you are killing my buildd :-) | 01:46 |
| Nafallo | I asked more of the reason that I would like to work on it. But only if people here liked that idea to happen. | 01:46 |
| fabbione | Nafallo: if you want to work on it, go ahead | 01:47 |
| fabbione | i have nothing against it | 01:47 |
| dholbach | elmo: and if you now please could sync asterisk and pstngw i'd be happy for the rest of the day :-) | 01:47 |
| Nafallo | fabbione: oki. -custom gets deprecated then :-) | 01:47 |
| fabbione | when i enabled amd64/ppc build on saturday i was just bored | 01:47 |
| fabbione | make sure to fix the ppc FTBFS | 01:48 |
| Nafallo | fabbione: I'll try. I haven't got that ARCH to test on :-/. | 01:49 |
| fabbione | neither do i | 01:49 |
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| jbailey | pitti: Err, I have a bug against glibc that mdz assigned to me yesterday that he wants fixed... So possibly one more. =) | 01:51 |
| pitti | jbailey: D'oh, I uploaded ten minutes ago... | 01:51 |
| jbailey | pitti: I haven't triaged this at all, sorry. | 01:51 |
| pitti | ah, ok | 01:51 |
| ogra | Nafallo, for a start you shoud apply for MOTU if you want to help with that | 01:52 |
| Nafallo | ogra: mplayer is in multiverse still, no? :-) | 01:53 |
| ogra | Nafallo, yup | 01:53 |
| ogra | Nafallo, thats why i said that :) | 01:53 |
| Nafallo | ogra: I've found something to study that includes FOSS-development. I want to learn to fix things before taking on any responsibility for those stuff :-). | 01:55 |
| Kamion | elmo: is adare down? | 01:55 |
| thom | sivang: around? | 01:55 |
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| thom | (or any other hebrew reader) | 01:55 |
| Nafallo | ogra: you /will/ get to see my as a MOTU most likely, but when I feel I can grook that :-). | 01:55 |
| ogra | Nafallo, yay, great :) | 01:56 |
| thom | sivang: is http://people.ubuntu.com/~thom/firefox-hebrew-current.png rendered the right way round? | 01:57 |
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| tseng | elmo: can you sync gtkpod 0.88-1 please | 02:03 |
| daniels | whoohoo! | 02:04 |
| daniels | it looks like we're actually going to support every i8xx device out of the box in hoary. | 02:04 |
| tseng | new patch? | 02:04 |
| === daniels goes to sleep, relieved that we're not actually massively regressing support. | ||
| daniels | tseng: new patches + new ideas | 02:05 |
| tseng | rock on | 02:05 |
| fabbione | Need to get 0B/47,0MB of source archives. | 02:08 |
| fabbione | hell! | 02:08 |
| fabbione | l-r-m is bloating at speed light | 02:08 |
| daniels | yeah, fglrx is growing by about 20mb every release, i swear | 02:09 |
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| fabbione | doko: davis has done. | 02:15 |
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| ogra | daniels, is there a tool to get the currently running display frequency ? from xdpyinfo i can only get size and depth.... | 02:19 |
| doko | fabbione: thanks | 02:19 |
| ogra | daniels, (i need this info for hwdb client) | 02:20 |
| fabbione | ogra: probably you can grab them either via libxf86vm | 02:20 |
| fabbione | or from the log | 02:20 |
| fabbione | i don't think there is too much exposure of these info to "userland" | 02:20 |
| ogra | hmm, the log is a good idea...i have it already in a variable.... | 02:21 |
| fabbione | since nobody, other than the server and user, cares | 02:21 |
| ogra | hmm, probably the monitor too ;) | 02:21 |
| fabbione | well clearly | 02:21 |
| thom | ccache is the single best invention of the millenium | 02:24 |
| fabbione | thom: it is buggy tho | 02:25 |
| thom | i care not; it works for firefox for me | 02:25 |
| fabbione | it tends to deadlock when you build with -j$oddnumber | 02:25 |
| fabbione | specially on ppc | 02:25 |
| Treenaks | fabbione: build with -j$evennumber then | 02:27 |
| fabbione | Treenaks: that's boring | 02:28 |
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| smurfix | svenl: Gah. Can you reproduce the thing without a serial console? | 02:37 |
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| zul | heylo | 02:38 |
| Treenaks | howdy! | 02:38 |
| zul | hey Treenaks | 02:38 |
| dholbach | hai zul | 02:39 |
| zul | hey dholbach | 02:39 |
| thom | firefox 1.0.1 uploading, y'all have a nice day now | 02:39 |
| dholbach | thom: you rock so hard! | 02:39 |
| dredg | nice | 02:39 |
| dholbach | wooooohoooo! | 02:39 |
| thom | 1.0.1 really is very boring *shrug* | 02:40 |
| dholbach | boring in what sense? | 02:40 |
| Treenaks | thom: it will make ubuntu more leet! | 02:40 |
| dholbach | no funny memory leaks anymore? | 02:40 |
| thom | in that it fixes some security problems, most of which we'd already fixed, and thats about it | 02:40 |
| dholbach | hm | 02:41 |
| dholbach | hrm | 02:41 |
| thom | 1.1 is the interesting one, but the schedule for that is that it releases sometime around the same time we release hoary | 02:42 |
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| dholbach | what about firefox_1.0.1.really.is.CVS-1.1? ;-) | 02:43 |
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| Mithrandir | dholbach: wrooooong! | 02:43 |
| Mithrandir | :) | 02:43 |
| dholbach | ;-) | 02:43 |
| thom | uh, no :-) | 02:43 |
| Treenaks | what's it with huge C++ projects and huge memory leaks going hand in hand? :P | 02:44 |
| dholbach | dunno if that's c++ specific | 02:44 |
| Treenaks | dholbach: well, gnome has some leaks, but not really major afaik | 02:45 |
| Treenaks | dholbach: and they're working on it for .12 | 02:45 |
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| Mithrandir | Treenaks: you mean stuff like FF eating some hundred megs of ram? | 02:45 |
| Treenaks | Mithrandir: multiple hundreds, yes | 02:45 |
| thom | dholbach: http://www.mozilla.org/projects/firefox/roadmap.html | 02:46 |
| Treenaks | Adobe Reader 7.0 for Linux is "final" | 02:46 |
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| dholbach | *shudder* | 02:46 |
| zul | bleah.. | 02:46 |
| ogra | heh | 02:46 |
| tseng | dholbach: evince++ | 02:47 |
| ogra | yeah | 02:47 |
| dholbach | tseng: yeah | 02:47 |
| zul | well its still better than xpdf | 02:47 |
| tseng | meh | 02:47 |
| dholbach | thom: oh i see... yes | 02:47 |
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| pitti | Hi again | 02:53 |
| thom | pitti: how are you coping in bugzilla with bugs that only affect warty? | 02:54 |
| thom | (ie, how do you mark them?) | 02:54 |
| pitti | thom: if we need to fix them, I don't know better than just writing this fact into a comment | 02:54 |
| pitti | thom: if hoary is already fixed, you could set the Target Milestone | 02:54 |
| trukulo | Treenaks, where is adobe 7.0 "final" ? | 02:55 |
| === pitti guesses that thom uploaded firefox 1.0.1 :-) | ||
| Treenaks | trukulo: ftp://ftp.adobe.com/pub/adobe/reader/unix/7x/7.0/enu/ | 02:55 |
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| dholbach | trukulo: should be in the trash can finally :-) | 02:55 |
| trukulo | dholbach, sure :) but wanna see it first | 02:56 |
| dholbach | trukulo: it won't be good for your eyes though | 02:56 |
| trukulo | dholbach, probably, but here ppl use very strange things in pdf | 02:57 |
| dholbach | i can imagine | 02:57 |
| thom | pitti: well, waiting for the fricking tarball to go up, yeah | 02:57 |
| pitti | cool | 02:57 |
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| thom | hrm, that's quite neat. search results that don't match the regexp ^\[warty\] | 03:15 |
| thom | bugzilla isn't all awfull | 03:15 |
| pitti | dredg: new upstream version? | 03:16 |
| dredg | pitti: yes | 03:16 |
| dredg | pitti: there are a number of holes in the current ubuntu version | 03:16 |
| pitti | dredg: yes, I read about them | 03:16 |
| dredg | these are fixed in the current debian unstable package | 03:16 |
| pitti | dredg: it's amazing how many holes this software has, it's more like a network :-) | 03:16 |
| dredg | pitti: i know :-/ it's pretty frightening | 03:17 |
| pitti | dredg: I'm fine with a sync, but mdz should confir | 03:17 |
| pitti | m | 03:17 |
| dredg | i wonder if secunia have a "most hole ridden oftware" award | 03:17 |
| dredg | pitti: sure. | 03:17 |
| pitti | dredg: oh, ethereal could make rank #1, too :-) | 03:18 |
| fabbione | new kernel is ACCEPTED | 03:18 |
| pitti | fabbione: thanks | 03:18 |
| pitti | fabbione: just released the Warty kenrel | 03:18 |
| fabbione | pitti: no problem. | 03:18 |
| fabbione | i am waiting for the kernel to build to release l-r-m | 03:18 |
| pitti | fabbione: btw, this API break checker sounds really interesting :-) | 03:18 |
| pitti | yay for ffox 1.0.1 | 03:19 |
| tseng | oh rock on thom | 03:19 |
| fabbione | pitti: it will save us from embarassing situation like breaking external modules | 03:20 |
| thom | mozilla-firefox_1.0.1-2ubuntu1_source.changes ACCEPTED | 03:20 |
| fabbione | but it is still semi-automatic | 03:20 |
| fabbione | a lot of work needs to be done manually | 03:20 |
| pitti | fabbione: does it reliably work or is it more like a heuristics? | 03:20 |
| fabbione | it works | 03:20 |
| fabbione | reliably | 03:20 |
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| pitti | neat, also for future Hoary security update | 03:21 |
| fabbione | given that: 1) you feed him proper data 2) you don't enable the overrides | 03:21 |
| pitti | fabbione: how does it work, is the build FTBFS if it breaks the ABI without bumping? | 03:21 |
| fabbione | pitti: this is the only reason why it has been added pre-hoary | 03:21 |
| fabbione | pitti: correct.. check out the code from baz | 03:21 |
| fabbione | pitti: because security is all your... | 03:21 |
| pitti | rock | 03:21 |
| pitti | dildo? | 03:22 |
| fabbione | you need to get used to it.. not me :) | 03:22 |
| fabbione | ahahha | 03:22 |
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| === dholbach wonders what the security team's t-shirt will look like ;-P | ||
| ogra | dildo ? | 03:25 |
| pitti | ogra: <fabbione> pitti: because security is all your... | 03:25 |
| dholbach | fabbione surely has some ideas for it | 03:25 |
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| zul | cigaro | 03:25 |
| ogra | heh | 03:25 |
| pitti | Hey Keybuk | 03:25 |
| Keybuk | heyhi | 03:26 |
| fabbione | we will see pitti going around with a huge condom all over his body | 03:26 |
| ogra | pitti: dholbach wonders what the security team's t-shirt will look like ;-P | 03:26 |
| ogra | ;) | 03:26 |
| fabbione | this is security :-) | 03:26 |
| pitti | *lol* | 03:26 |
| ogra | yeah | 03:26 |
| dholbach | hahahahaaaa | 03:26 |
| pitti | Keybuk: look behind! a three-headed Replaces: bug | 03:26 |
| Keybuk | pitti: it's ok, it'll eat you, not me :p | 03:26 |
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| tseng | what happened to the talk of syncing dbus 0.23.1 | 03:39 |
| HiddenWolf | holy j; that kernel changelog is massive | 03:40 |
| zul | HiddenWolf: isnt it :) | 03:41 |
| HiddenWolf | what did you guys do, take a shot at linux 3.0? ;) | 03:41 |
| zul | nah, security fixes, and re-sync with debian | 03:42 |
| Treenaks | apparently, some people do care about stability :) | 03:42 |
| kent | Is some one Lamont Jones here? I just saw from bugzilla that he added "kernel-bugs@lists.ubuntucom" to the inotify-bug, which i think lacks a ".com" :) | 03:43 |
| Kamion | kent: that would be lamont | 03:43 |
| HiddenWolf | lots of security fixes; holy hell. | 03:43 |
| Mithrandir | kent: bug #? | 03:43 |
| zul | kent: ill fix it wheich number | 03:43 |
| HiddenWolf | kent; it just misses the . | 03:43 |
| kent | zul, Kamion Mithrandir 5431 | 03:43 |
| Mithrandir | zul: you'll fix it? | 03:44 |
| cc | in the LiveCD, where do I configure the firefox startpage ? | 03:44 |
| Treenaks | cc: edit -> preferences? | 03:44 |
| zul | fixed already looks like it in the q-a contact kent | 03:45 |
| cc | Treenaks: no, i'm trying to cook my own LiveCD. so i want it as a default preference | 03:45 |
| Treenaks | cc: /etc/mozilla-firefox/pref/firefox.js ? | 03:45 |
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| kent | zul, Well I just saw what looked like a typo, and have not got a new mail from that bug so I thought perhaps it was not fixed. Did I miss something? | 03:46 |
| zul | kent: it has the "." in the q-a contact | 03:46 |
| zul | kent: kernel-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com | 03:47 |
| kent | zul, ok. I just read the mail I got from bugzilla and there, under Added, it says "kernel-bugs@lists.ubuntucom". Perhaps bugzilla reports wrong then? Or is it fixed in bugzilla it self, so i got not new message about it? Just curius :) (and yes, i dont know how to spell that, haha) :) | 03:49 |
| zul | kent: not sure maybe it was a hiccup | 03:49 |
| amu | cc: you've to change the source of it | 03:50 |
| cc | amu: yes, thanks. i just did | 03:51 |
| ogra_away | hmm, from the topic of #ubuntu: nvidia is broken in hoary with kernel 2.6.10-26 | 03:51 |
| ogra_away | isnt that a bit obsolete ? | 03:51 |
| zul | oh yes | 03:51 |
| zul | its fixed in -27 | 03:51 |
| ogra_away | becaue people starting to compile their ati drivers based on this info :-P | 03:51 |
| ogra_away | because even | 03:51 |
| zul | if they havent upgraded from -26 then its still broken its been fixed in -27 and above | 03:52 |
| ogra_away | so someone with access should change it i guess | 03:52 |
| evarlast | what is the prefered way to file a bug on a package? | 03:53 |
| zul | bugzilla | 03:53 |
| evarlast | for a universe package? | 03:54 |
| evarlast | debians bugzilla? | 03:54 |
| ogra_away | evarlast, ubuntu-users mailing list | 03:54 |
| evarlast | to file a bug? | 03:54 |
| dholbach | yes | 03:54 |
| evarlast | hrm. I'll have to subscribe? | 03:54 |
| tseng | we are working on a universe bug tracker | 03:54 |
| dholbach | until we have http://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone | 03:54 |
| tseng | but its not ready for general use. | 03:54 |
| evarlast | hrm, ok. | 03:55 |
| dholbach | ok everyone... see you later *wave* | 03:55 |
| ogra_away | evarlast, btw, which package ? | 03:55 |
| evarlast | socks4-server | 03:55 |
| evarlast | it should depend on libsocks4 but it does not. | 03:55 |
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| fabbione | Kamion: both kernel and l-r-m are up.. we only need to wait for the binaries | 04:08 |
| Kamion | fabbione: yep, I've just seeded the udebs | 04:08 |
| fabbione | perfect | 04:08 |
| fabbione | we miss linux-meta.. don't we? | 04:08 |
| Kamion | yeah | 04:09 |
| fabbione | and elmo to promote the bins | 04:09 |
| fabbione | (+ bless them with NEW) | 04:09 |
| fabbione | i am off for 30 minutes... | 04:10 |
| Kamion | I have a debian-installer upload ready | 04:10 |
| fabbione | i need a little break | 04:10 |
| fabbione | cool | 04:10 |
| fabbione | i think we could actually automate all this mess with a queue | 04:10 |
| fabbione | where we stock all the sources | 04:11 |
| fabbione | and it will start uploading the kernel | 04:11 |
| fabbione | wait 2 hours | 04:11 |
| fabbione | upload l-r-m | 04:11 |
| fabbione | wait 30 minutes | 04:11 |
| fabbione | and so on.... | 04:11 |
| fabbione | seed in the meanwhile | 04:11 |
| fabbione | kick elmo or katie or any of elmo's gf | 04:11 |
| fabbione | hmmm | 04:11 |
| fabbione | well later :-) | 04:11 |
| Kamion | we've kind of got the hang of it, though :) | 04:11 |
| thom | woop, i fixored the hebrew madness | 04:15 |
| HiddenWolf | thom: are the palestians safe now? | 04:23 |
| === zul smacks HiddenWolf | ||
| zul | no politics here :) | 04:25 |
| === HiddenWolf grins | ||
| HiddenWolf | Sorry zul, couldn't resist this one | 04:25 |
| smurfix | Does anybody know where /usr/share/omf/upx-ucl-beta/upx-ucl-beta-C.omf comes from? | 04:29 |
| svenl | smurfix: yes, sure. | 04:32 |
| smurfix | svenl: It's a malformed XML file.:-/ | 04:33 |
| jbailey | Anyone here got a sata_via machine? Looks like another bug... | 04:35 |
| thom | smurfix: interesting; it's probably generated by doc-base so there's a bug somewhere | 04:35 |
| thom | jbailey: sure | 04:35 |
| smurfix | thom: The "&" character isn't escaped. | 04:35 |
| smurfix | thom: I'll look at it. | 04:36 |
| svenl | smurfix: anything i can do to help ? | 04:36 |
| thom | smurfix: hrm, i'm pretty sure i'd fixed that | 04:36 |
| mvo | Kamion: can we do a ntpdate in the installer early? comment #3 in #7536 asks for this | 04:36 |
| jbailey | thom: 7630 looks like in order to see the pata cdrom drive, that ide-generic has to be loaded after everything but isn't. Do you see the same thing? | 04:37 |
| thom | smurfix: oh, no | 04:37 |
| thom | i'll fix now | 04:37 |
| Kamion | jbailey: yes, I have a sata_via; I think the CD-ROM drive is just ATAPI though | 04:37 |
| Kamion | I don't see that bug | 04:37 |
| smurfix | thom: OK, I'll not look at it then. ;-) | 04:37 |
| Kamion | mvo: bah, thought I'd worked around that bug in d-i, didn't realise ubuntu-keyring also cared | 04:38 |
| jbailey | Kamion: Thanks. | 04:38 |
| mvo | Kamion: I fixed ubuntu-keyring | 04:38 |
| Kamion | mvo: it's hard, because ntpdate isn't available at the right times | 04:38 |
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| smurfix | Kamion: Hmm, do I build an ntpdate-udeb for that, or would it be too late anyway? | 04:39 |
| Kamion | smurfix: I think that's the only possible option, but TBH I think it's OK for ubuntu-keyring to just use the GPG option to ignore clock problems | 04:40 |
| Kamion | as I think mvo has done | 04:40 |
| thom | jbailey: my /etc/modules contains ide_generic already; i'll try rebooting without that and see what happens | 04:40 |
| jbailey | thom: Thanks. | 04:40 |
| thom | (after firefox finished building ;-) ) | 04:41 |
| Kamion | smurfix: and, as the bug reporter says, it should be made to work even if the network isn't up | 04:41 |
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| jbailey | thom: No worries. =) | 04:41 |
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| Kamion | hah, two bugs in a row where I know the reporters in person | 04:42 |
| smurfix | Kamion: It might make sense to have a sane clock while you're installing, but ... it's something to add post-Hoary I'd say. | 04:42 |
| Kamion | smurfix: very little cares, I think gpg is the only thing that's cared so far | 04:43 |
| svenl | mm, i did a clean install, and it dies in Starting periodic command scheduler still :/ | 04:44 |
| smurfix | Kamion: I managed to do that once. Directory mod times somewhen in 2008. Oh well. ;-) | 04:44 |
| svenl | Kamion: how can you specify an initrd= argument in yaboot's command line ? | 04:46 |
| svenl | jbailey: notice that yaboot doesn't have grub2's big initrd size problem. | 04:46 |
| Mithrandir | yay, hotplug has been running for six minutes now. | 04:47 |
| Kamion | svenl: you can't | 04:47 |
| Kamion | svenl: initrd booting with yaboot requires a yaboot.conf | 04:47 |
| jbailey | svenl: Last I checked, yaboot couldn't load an initrd at all on the pegasos. | 04:47 |
| svenl | Kamion: figured so. Is there a way to disable the quiet thingy online to see why it dies in the periodic command scheduler ? It didn't do that last week. | 04:49 |
| svenl | jbailey: ah, you need a new OF upgrade. | 04:49 |
| svenl | jbailey: email address ? | 04:49 |
| jbailey | svenl: Then perhaps grub2 will work then too? Who knows. Marco thinks that there shouldn't be any limitations and was suspecting an OF bug. | 04:49 |
| jbailey | svenl: jbailey@ubuntu.com Is this the one that ate someone's motherboard? | 04:50 |
| svenl | jbailey: what i mean by that is that it is probably a grub2 problem in how it allocates memory, not an OF bug. | 04:50 |
| Mithrandir | impressive. /etc/init.d/hotplug start takes about 13 minutes to run on this dual 2.2GHz opteron system. | 04:50 |
| thom | smurfix: uploaded | 04:50 |
| Kamion | svenl: mm, I guess I'd edit /target/etc/yaboot.conf before the reboot | 04:50 |
| jbailey | Mithrandir: Ouch. Does it take that long on a restart? | 04:50 |
| svenl | Kamion: mmm, problem is i already rebooted. | 04:51 |
| Mithrandir | jbailey: it takes a fair amount of time at least | 04:51 |
| svenl | Kamion: maybe booting in single user will drop me to a shell before that. | 04:51 |
| Kamion | should really add a recovery mode to the generated yaboot.conf | 04:51 |
| Kamion | svenl: boot with init=/bin/sh | 04:51 |
| svenl | Kamion: maybe booting in single user will drop me to a shell before that. | 04:52 |
| svenl | yeah, that is an option too. | 04:52 |
| jbailey | Mithrandir: Wait, you said this is warty's hotplug, right? Is it worth fixing? | 04:52 |
| Mithrandir | jbailey: it's warty's hotplug, yes. | 04:52 |
| Mithrandir | jbailey: it's fixed in hoary. | 04:52 |
| Mithrandir | so I'm just going to upgrade | 04:53 |
| svenl | Kamion: if i did do that, i probabl would have no keyboard driver or something such. | 04:53 |
| svenl | Damn, removing quiet doesn't help, i guess i need to remove splash too. | 04:53 |
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| Mitario | hi everyone | 04:54 |
| Mitario | mvo, we got cvs.gnome.org aproval :) | 04:54 |
| Mitario | mvo, hi btw ;-) | 04:55 |
| Kamion | svenl: hotplug-in-initramfs will fix that I think, but not for hoary ... | 04:55 |
| Kamion | svenl: single-user mode should get you a shell before cron startup, though, yes | 04:55 |
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| Kamion | svenl: removing quiet won't help, the init script output stuff is not controlled by either | 04:55 |
| mvo | Mitario: that's good news, cool! | 04:55 |
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| fabbione | Kamion: amd64 is all done (and the only one) | 04:57 |
| pitti | <bitch>why not arch.gnome.org? </bitch> | 04:59 |
| pitti | :-) | 04:59 |
| lamont | kent: gah! | 05:00 |
| svenl | Kamion: mmm, why doesn't booting with 's' ask for the root password, is this not a security hole ? | 05:00 |
| lamont | zul: it's a _BUNCH_ of them. | 05:00 |
| fabbione | hey lamont | 05:00 |
| === lamont goes to fix the lot | ||
| fabbione | lamont: can you check if ppc and i386 are building the kernel? | 05:01 |
| fabbione | they are taking longer than usual.... | 05:01 |
| jbailey | svenl: If you have console access, all bets are off, but in general, there is no set root password. | 05:01 |
| fabbione | probably they hit a buildd with no ccache | 05:01 |
| lamont | fabbione: checking | 05:01 |
| fabbione | thanks | 05:01 |
| jbailey | svenl: All best are off security-wise that is. | 05:02 |
| svenl | jbailey: console access ? you mean ubuntu is useless for unattended machines, right ? | 05:02 |
| lamont | fabbione: royal (ppc) is just finishing, i386 has a ways to go | 05:02 |
| fabbione | lamont: cool, thanks | 05:02 |
| fabbione | lamont: i know.. see /topic on #u-k :-) | 05:02 |
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| pitti | thom: can I please have libreadline4-dev in hoary-dchroot on davis? | 05:03 |
| jbailey | svenl: No, as in if you have physical access to a machine, something as flimsy as a root password isn't going to stop you from doing what you want to it. | 05:03 |
| svenl | jbailey: well, ... | 05:03 |
| HiddenWolf | jbailey: it's still good practice to ask for it. | 05:03 |
| svenl | anyway, why would /etc/init.d/cron hang ? | 05:03 |
| svenl | ormaybe the stuff after it is hanging :/ | 05:04 |
| svenl | mmm, the next one would be rmnologin. | 05:05 |
| zul | lamont: bitch bitch bitch :) | 05:06 |
| svenl | nope, breaks. | 05:06 |
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| svenl | Kamion: when did you do a new install last ? | 05:07 |
| Kamion | svenl,HiddenWolf: booting with init=/bin/sh doesn't ask you for the root password either, which is not Ubuntu-specific; if you have an unattended machine you need better measures than a root password, such as a BIOS (or equivalent) password, or physical locks | 05:07 |
| Kamion | svenl: about ten minutes ago | 05:07 |
| thom | jbailey: confirmed | 05:08 |
| svenl | Kamion: and it worked fine for you ? | 05:08 |
| Kamion | svenl: yep, i386 install | 05:08 |
| svenl | Kamion: true, just surprising. | 05:08 |
| svenl | Kamion: what about x86 ? | 05:08 |
| thom | jbailey: with no ide-generic i see no pata devices at all | 05:08 |
| Kamion | it was an i386 install that worked fine for me; just giving information | 05:08 |
| svenl | here it dies in crontab on entering runlevel 2. doing /etc/init.d/cron start in single user worked fine. | 05:08 |
| svenl | Kamion: what about ppc, i mean. | 05:09 |
| jbailey | thom: Can you tell me what's in /proc/ide ? | 05:09 |
| Kamion | svenl: haven't tried powerpc yet today | 05:09 |
| Kamion | I'm burning the powerpc daily now | 05:10 |
| svenl | mmm, i put an exit in /etc/init.d/cron, and it stops at the deffered command scheduler, strange. | 05:10 |
| Kamion | is this pegasos? serial console? | 05:11 |
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| svenl | peg, normal console. | 05:11 |
| Kamion | 'k | 05:11 |
| svenl | atkbd. | 05:11 |
| Kamion | hmmmmm. configuring timezone on live CD considered interesting. | 05:12 |
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| mdz | morning | 05:25 |
| zul | hey mdz | 05:25 |
| fabbione | morning mdz | 05:25 |
| seb128 | hi mdz | 05:25 |
| thom | hey mdz | 05:26 |
| mdz | Mithrandir, elmo: I most certainly did not say to change the version number; in fact I explicitly said that the .dsc and .diff.gz should be identical | 05:26 |
| Mithrandir | mdz: yes, which is what happened here. | 05:27 |
| Mithrandir | mdz: I just edited the changes file. | 05:27 |
| mdz | Mithrandir: where did the ubuntu version number come from? | 05:28 |
| Mithrandir | mdz: what ubuntu version number? | 05:28 |
| mdz | oh, I misread what elmo said | 05:28 |
| Mithrandir | : tfheen@vawad ~ > apt-cache show mcelog | grep ^Version | 05:28 |
| Mithrandir | Version: 0.3-1 | 05:28 |
| Mithrandir | oh, ok | 05:29 |
| Mithrandir | :) | 05:29 |
| svenl | Kamion: please confirm to me that your install worked on ppc once you did it, ok ? | 05:31 |
| Kamion | hmm | 05:33 |
| Kamion | TFTP error 2: Access violation | 05:33 |
| svenl | Kamion: you are using tftpboot ? | 05:34 |
| Kamion | maybe it wants yaboot.conf in / | 05:34 |
| Kamion | svenl: yeah | 05:34 |
| svenl | Kamion: err, tftpd. | 05:34 |
| Kamion | tftpd-hpa | 05:34 |
| svenl | use atftpd instead. | 05:34 |
| Kamion | urgh | 05:34 |
| Kamion | can I use tftpd-hpa with a different root directory? | 05:34 |
| svenl | ah, don't know about tftpd-hpa variant, but plain tftpd has this idea about searching absolute names in / and not in /tftpboot like it is told. | 05:35 |
| Kamion | right, it's configurable in -hpa at least | 05:35 |
| svenl | maybe just remove all leading / to make them relative names will fix this. | 05:35 |
| Kamion | I have it set to / by default for i386, but ... | 05:35 |
| Kamion | I'll try that but I think it's still looking for yaboot.conf | 05:35 |
| svenl | Kamion: i don't know for -hpa, but plain tftpd didn't respect me saying it should look in /tftpboot. | 05:36 |
| svenl | Kamion: look at your syslog to see what tftpd tried to serve ? | 05:36 |
| mdz | doko: libstdc++6 -> libstdc++60? | 05:36 |
| Kamion | svenl: it's looking for /etc/yaboot.conf (!) | 05:36 |
| svenl | Kamion: yep, but in /etc, not in /tftpboot/etc/yaboot.conf. | 05:37 |
| Kamion | even so :) | 05:37 |
| svenl | Kamion: install atftpd instead, works much better. | 05:37 |
| Kamion | -s Change root directory on startup. | 05:38 |
| Kamion | I'll use that option, then I don't have to have different tftp daemons to cope with different architectures | 05:38 |
| svenl | Kamion: i know, it is configured in /etc/inetd.conf, but it fails to respect the configuration. | 05:38 |
| svenl | ok. | 05:38 |
| jbailey | thom: fabbione says that the -28 kernel has some sata fixes that might solve this in another way. | 05:39 |
| svenl | Kamion: maybe i should chop off the leading / in the path OF asks over tftp ? Do you know if apple hardware works with tftpd ? | 05:39 |
| Kamion | svenl: it's worked for me before | 05:40 |
| jbailey | thom: Are you able to do another reboot? | 05:40 |
| thom | jbailey: sure | 05:40 |
| thom | is -28 up for amd64 anywhere? | 05:40 |
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| Kamion | thom: archive.u.c | 05:40 |
| thom | ah, yes | 05:41 |
| thom | hoary-changes just finished opening | 05:41 |
| svenl | Kamion: next time you netboot a pmac, can you look at syslog to see what /tftpboot served, and if it has a a leading / | 05:41 |
| svenl | Kamion: also, you could put a symlink from /etc/yaboot.conf to /tftpboot/etc/yaboot.conf for the time being. | 05:41 |
| svenl | Kamion: i still feel that this is a bug in tftpd[-hpa] though. | 05:42 |
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| jbailey | Heya Michael. | 05:42 |
| doko | mdz: libstdc++6: context? | 05:43 |
| azeem | hi Jeff | 05:44 |
| doko | mdz: ah, the diff, yes dependent on where you generate the control file, bit anyway, elmo discovered that the patch I wanted to have applied was already applied in 3.4 (but not 4.0) | 05:45 |
| Kamion | svenl: any extra parameters to 'boot eth' that I should know about? Trying 'boot eth /tftpboot/ubuntu-powerpc/yaboot', tcpdump just shows it sitting there trying to arp | 05:46 |
| Kamion | ah, never mind, got it now | 05:46 |
| svenl | Kamion: don't forget : console=ttyS1,115200n8 too. | 05:47 |
| Kamion | hm, no, still failing, sitting there with 'R' and the spinner | 05:47 |
| Kamion | svenl: not on serial console | 05:47 |
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| Riddell | Kamion: where can I find a copy of the current isolinux splash image? | 05:48 |
| svenl | oh, ok. | 05:48 |
| svenl | Kamion: the spinner thingy does turn ? | 05:49 |
| Kamion | Riddell: debian-installer source package, build/boot/x86/pics/ubuntu.png | 05:49 |
| svenl | quickly even ? | 05:49 |
| Kamion | svenl: yeah, reasonably so | 05:49 |
| Kamion | ok, moving the network cable and using 'boot geth' instead works better | 05:50 |
| svenl | Kamion: strange, but it does indeed here too. That said the gige kernel module is broken in ubuntu, so you have to move it back later on. | 05:50 |
| Kamion | eek | 05:50 |
| Kamion | yay, booted | 05:51 |
| svenl | Kamion: yep, i have a patch though. | 05:51 |
| Riddell | Kamion: thanks | 05:53 |
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| svenl | what is the default ubuntuMTA ? | 06:01 |
| schweeb | postfix | 06:02 |
| thom | postfix | 06:02 |
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| svenl | Mmm, i think something id seriously wrong here, and it is not cron or atd. | 06:03 |
| svenl | it stops after that. rmnologin doesn't output anything, and i must check stop-bootlogd, but what is supposed to happen afterward ? | 06:03 |
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| Riddell | mdz: can you add kubuntu-default-settings to the kubuntu desktop seed? | 06:31 |
| Kamion | svenl: any idea which of the NewWorld, OldWorld, or chrp functions in ofpath should be used for pegasos? | 06:32 |
| Kamion | or none of them? | 06:32 |
| Kamion | I guess not chrp, it's SCSI-only | 06:33 |
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| lamont | seb128: you around? | 06:35 |
| seb128 | yep | 06:35 |
| lamont | Kamion: d-i upload for the abi bump... I think it should be ready... | 06:36 |
| fabbione | lamont: no. | 06:36 |
| fabbione | we are still missing i386 and l-r-m for i386 | 06:36 |
| lamont | seb128: could I have some remdial help??? the screensaver daemon doesn't start when I login, until I go to preferences/screensaver and it tells me it's not running, would I like to start it... | 06:36 |
| fabbione | btw.. read u-k :-) | 06:36 |
| lamont | what did I delete from my startup ? | 06:36 |
| lamont | fabbione: sigh | 06:37 |
| Kamion | lamont: I'm waiting for choose-mirror 1.06ubuntu8 too | 06:38 |
| lamont | Kamion: ok. we're still waiting on a kernel or lrm at least too | 06:38 |
| Kamion | svenl: what does 'spi' mean in /pci@80000000/ide@C,1/device_type? ofpath doesn't know about that type | 06:38 |
| pitti | Riddell: are there any news about your kdesu patch? | 06:40 |
| mdz | Riddell: certainly. has it been processed through queue/new yet? | 06:41 |
| seb128 | lamont: good question, I don't know ... | 06:42 |
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| Riddell | pitti: havn't had a change to make the modifications you suggested yet | 06:44 |
| Riddell | mdz: yes, seems to have been | 06:44 |
| mdz | Riddell: version 5.10.01? | 06:45 |
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| lamont | seb128: sigh. thanks anyway, I guess. | 06:46 |
| mdz | Riddell: do you want me to remove ubuntu-sounds as well? | 06:46 |
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| seb128 | maybe thom knows | 06:46 |
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| Riddell | mdz: yes version 5.10.01 is current, probably best remove ubuntu-sounds I'll come back to them later if I have time | 06:48 |
| Riddell | elmo: any move on kubuntu.org? | 06:48 |
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| mdz | Riddell: I was wondering why 5.10.01, rather than, say, 5.04.x | 06:48 |
| mdz | or if there was some different meaning to the version number | 06:48 |
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| Riddell | mdz: ah, good question, possibly becaues I can't count | 06:52 |
| mdz | Riddell: the seed updates are done. do you know how to do the kubuntu-meta update/ | 06:52 |
| mdz | ? | 06:52 |
| Riddell | mdz: nope, but I'd be interested to learn | 06:53 |
| mdz | Riddell: it's way easy | 06:53 |
| mdz | Riddell: just wait until the changes are reflected in the published seeds | 06:53 |
| mdz | http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/ | 06:54 |
| mdz | then apt-get source kubuntu-meta | 06:54 |
| mdz | run the ./update script in the source package | 06:54 |
| mdz | then do a normal source build+upload | 06:54 |
| Riddell | mdz: doesn't sound too hard, I'll give it a shot | 06:54 |
| sivang | hi all | 06:56 |
| pitti | Hi sivang | 06:56 |
| pitti | sivang: what's up? | 06:56 |
| sivang | hey pitti , 'sup? | 06:56 |
| Kamion | erk; can evince's Find not operate across a whole document? | 07:07 |
| Kamion | it seems to only work on the current page, which makes it pretty unusable for reading specifications | 07:07 |
| Kamion | oh no, now it works, how strange | 07:07 |
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| === Topic for #ubuntu-devel: Ubuntu Development | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-love for getting involved | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DeveloperResources | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryGoals | Kubuntu on #kubuntu-devel | Hoary preview release: http://releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/ | Release Candidate: March 30th | ||
| === Topic (#ubuntu-devel): set by mdz at Mon Mar 14 19:51:32 2005 | ||
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| seb128 | mdz: here now | 09:43 |
| seb128 | ups, forgotten again about the meeting | 09:44 |
| mdz | seb128: no problem, we decided to have a discussion on ubuntu-devel | 09:45 |
| seb128 | about what ? | 09:45 |
| dholbach | $release-updates of gnome | 09:45 |
| dholbach | i.e. to have gnome updates to hoary-updates after hoary's release | 09:46 |
| Q-FUNK | mdz: my proposition to upload minor gnome releases to $release-updates | 09:46 |
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| seb128 | dholbach: k, thanks | 09:46 |
| Q-FUNK | , seb128 | 09:46 |
| seb128 | I'm not sure we should do minor updates | 09:46 |
| seb128 | but let's talk about this on the list | 09:47 |
| Q-FUNK | I'd really like to hear why. | 09:47 |
| seb128 | that's easy, who is going to do the updates ? | 09:47 |
| seb128 | maintaining 2 branches is a bunch of extra work | 09:47 |
| Q-FUNK | that was my proposition: I woold take whatever you upload to d/unstable and rebuild for $release-update. | 09:48 |
| seb128 | that doesn't match | 09:48 |
| seb128 | we have some specific changes | 09:48 |
| mdz | please, guys, let's discuss on the list | 09:48 |
| seb128 | some stuff break in debian | 09:48 |
| seb128 | right | 09:48 |
| Q-FUNK | or more precisely: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/TechnicalBoardAgenda | 09:48 |
| mdz | there are other people we need to hear opinions from, who are not in this channel right now | 09:48 |
| mdz | elmo: still around? | 09:49 |
| elmo | mdz: unfortunately | 09:49 |
| mdz | elmo: Treenaks was approved for upload to universe, but he claims not to have upload privileges yet (key 3FA5E031) | 09:50 |
| seb128 | mdz: do you know who could have an idea on #6945 (font changing with the locale) ? | 09:50 |
| mdz | seb128: I have no idea about font selection | 09:51 |
| elmo | mdz: yes, as he said, he mailed me yesterday | 09:51 |
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| mdz | elmo: and is there a problem, or is it just a question of tuits? | 09:52 |
| elmo | mdz: I've not had time | 09:53 |
| mdz | ok | 09:53 |
| mdz | Treenaks: a bit more patience, please | 09:53 |
| Treenaks | mdz: OK | 09:53 |
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| lamont | Kamion: ppc ubuntu livecd is current | 09:59 |
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| lamont | as for kubuntu... | 09:59 |
| pitti | jordi: I'm adding some langpacks (including catalan) to the install CDs now :-) | 09:59 |
| lamont | kubuntu-desktop: Depends: kdepim but it is not going to be installed | 09:59 |
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| jordi | GO pittiiiii! | 10:00 |
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| lamont | Kamion/elmo: did d-i get into the archive, and we want a new round of livecd rootfs builds? | 10:00 |
| zul | later | 10:00 |
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| jani | anyone familiar with gtk-doc-tools/jade ? I got an error building a package | 10:07 |
| lamont | Kamion: ?? | 10:08 |
| jani | -CAPS suffix in sgml ids ring any bell? | 10:08 |
| elmo | lamont: d-i's is in for the big 3 | 10:08 |
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| lamont | elmo: cool - starting livecdfs build then | 10:09 |
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| pitti | Hi carlos | 10:09 |
| lamont | elmo: is gpgsm gonna make it into main? | 10:09 |
| Kamion | lamont: do the live cloops include d-i? I thought they didn't | 10:09 |
| lamont | Kamion: don't think so - but they do include the kernel... | 10:10 |
| elmo | lamont: I dunno, it's on the promotion list, pending approval | 10:10 |
| lamont | anyway, fresh builds running on all 3. | 10:10 |
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| ogra | onions ? | 10:11 |
| lamont | ogra: yeah. that, and it smells. | 10:11 |
| lamont | layers. | 10:11 |
| Kamion | I must admit that the bloody enormous framebuffer I get when doing installs on Pegasos is pretty nice | 10:11 |
| ogra | *g* | 10:11 |
| lamont | http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/byDate/today.html | 10:11 |
| lamont | ogra: that's why gpgsm has me annoyed today | 10:12 |
| Kamion | lots across by 63 down | 10:12 |
| Kamion | if I've counted right | 10:12 |
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| lamont | Kamion: pixels or lines? | 10:12 |
| mdz | elmo: d-i in -> with 2.6.10-5? | 10:12 |
| elmo | mdz: yes | 10:12 |
| mdz | elmo: thanks | 10:12 |
| fabbione | mdz: the transition to -5 should be complete once lamont finish to build the Live CD fs afaik | 10:13 |
| ogra | lamont, oh, red day... | 10:13 |
| fabbione | mdz: everything else is up | 10:13 |
| seb128 | pitti: any news on this IPP printer issue ? | 10:14 |
| pitti | oh, sorry, got completely buried in security stuff today | 10:14 |
| fabbione | lamont, Kamion: i dunno you two.. but i think this time it went pretty smooth.. only 8 hours to do a full transition | 10:14 |
| pitti | seb128: right, I should tackle this tomorrow | 10:14 |
| carlos | pitti: hi | 10:14 |
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| seb128 | pitti: np, we are just waiting for you to update for debian :p | 10:15 |
| Mithrandir | hm, I slept over the meeting today. | 10:15 |
| seb128 | and would be nice to tackle that for hoary too :) | 10:15 |
| mdz | mvo: here? | 10:15 |
| Q-FUNK | pitti: was 0.29 kosher or was the last good one 0.28 ? | 10:15 |
| mdz | fabbione: are those builds in progress now? | 10:15 |
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| fabbione | mdz: lamont just wrote he was building the livefs ... | 10:16 |
| pitti | Q-FUNK: 0.28 was okay, we have 0.30 now which is fine, too | 10:16 |
| pitti | Q-FUNK: the problem was the newer libgnomecups, which introduced a regression | 10:16 |
| Q-FUNK | pitti: i thought that 0.30 has this regression issue? | 10:16 |
| seb128 | and which is needed for the new g-c-m | 10:16 |
| fabbione | <lamont> elmo: cool - starting livecdfs build then | 10:16 |
| Q-FUNK | ah ok | 10:16 |
| pitti | Q-FUNK: (that's one of the reasons why I don't want to blindly upload new upstream releases into stable releases) | 10:16 |
| seb128 | (and me neither) | 10:17 |
| fabbione | mdz: in the worst scenario everything will be ok tomorrow morning when the cron will do his automatic build | 10:17 |
| mdz | fabbione: that scrolled off my screen while I was paying attention to other things | 10:17 |
| Q-FUNK | _minor_ and not blindly :) | 10:17 |
| fabbione | mdz: no problem :-) | 10:17 |
| mdz | like the 450 bug emails I have in my box | 10:17 |
| fabbione | mdz: of which 300 are the kernel bugs qa thing :-) | 10:17 |
| seb128 | mdz: you read all the bugs ? | 10:17 |
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| ogra | seb128, do you just delete them ? :-P | 10:18 |
| pitti | Night fabbione | 10:18 |
| ogra | ciao fabbione | 10:18 |
| fabbione | Kamion: i am going to test svenl patch for that eth driver tomorrow | 10:19 |
| pitti | fabbione: wife is waiting? :-) | 10:19 |
| seb128 | ogra: no, I "just" read the GNOME ones usually | 10:19 |
| fabbione | Kamion: i will make an image for you :-) | 10:19 |
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| fabbione | pitti: she is probably asleep already... | 10:19 |
| ogra | seb128, heh | 10:19 |
| fabbione | and i am tired too | 10:19 |
| Q-FUNK | gnome128 | 10:19 |
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| Q-FUNK | :-P | 10:19 |
| fabbione | ahahha | 10:20 |
| fabbione | me & | 10:20 |
| === fabbione & | ||
| sivang | night fabbione | 10:20 |
| Kamion | svenl: well, it all boots fine for me on Pegasos, doesn't stop at cron or anything | 10:21 |
| Kamion | fabbione: ok | 10:21 |
| Kamion | lamont: lines :-) | 10:21 |
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| Q-FUNK | Kamion: svenl is elsewhere? | 10:21 |
| Q-FUNK | oh.. sorry no ;) | 10:22 |
| Kamion | Q-FUNK: yeah, I know, he sometimes reads scrollback though | 10:22 |
| Kamion | fabbione: right, seemed fairly smooth to me | 10:22 |
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| herve | hi | 10:28 |
| herve | seb128, about the motu howl transition, verbiste recompiles fine | 10:29 |
| seb128 | cool | 10:29 |
| herve | seb128, would I test another package you offered to help on? | 10:29 |
| seb128 | I don't understand the question | 10:30 |
| herve | hey, quite many motu folks here! | 10:30 |
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| crimsun | we should all be in here :-) | 10:30 |
| herve | seb128, if you're too busy to help on that transition | 10:30 |
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| ajmitch | herve: of course | 10:30 |
| seb128 | herve: nop, you need somebody to upload the package ? | 10:30 |
| herve | seb128, yes I too young to upload myself yet :-) | 10:31 |
| seb128 | ah ah | 10:31 |
| seb128 | where is the package ? | 10:31 |
| herve | green light to rebuild verbiste in a word | 10:31 |
| herve | I'll put it online in a moment | 10:32 |
| seb128 | sure | 10:32 |
| bluefoxicy | control | 10:34 |
| bluefoxicy | I need control over polyp or esd | 10:34 |
| bluefoxicy | preferably both | 10:34 |
| bluefoxicy | MUST LOWER LATENCY. | 10:34 |
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| sivang | seb128: I have something pitti reviewed and besides one thing (which I have fixed now) he said it's fine, would you have time to review? | 10:35 |
| seb128 | you don't trust pitti review ? :p | 10:35 |
| herve | bluefoxicy, was jack considered as an alternative in the end? | 10:35 |
| ogra | lol | 10:35 |
| bluefoxicy | herve: no :) | 10:36 |
| sivang | seb128: I trust him! :-) I just want to finish with this package already :) | 10:37 |
| bluefoxicy | polyp should have an arts compatibility library and module too, so we can have arts without having to link with Qt | 10:38 |
| seb128 | sivang: if he has reviewed it that's fine | 10:38 |
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| sivang | seb128: the last change he wanted me to do is to use _() straight on a string rather then using snprintf to format it. | 10:38 |
| herve | sivang, it's in the course of the motu? then stress out motu uploads need three (?) reviews | 10:38 |
| daniels | ogra: xrandr -q | 10:38 |
| sivang | herve: not a MOTU upload, main :) | 10:38 |
| seb128 | sivang: where is the package ? | 10:39 |
| herve | ho I shut up then | 10:39 |
| sivang | seb128: http://muse.19inch.net/~sivan/g-c-m/sivan-gcm-crack.diff | 10:39 |
| seb128 | k | 10:39 |
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| sivang | seb128: please look at the debdiff and oops on whatever you see could be dangerous | 10:39 |
| ogra | daniels, thanks :-D | 10:39 |
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| dholbach | crimsun: | 10:44 |
| dholbach | checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... yes | 10:44 |
| dholbach | checking build system type... Invalid configuration `x86_64-linux': machine `x86_64' not recognized | 10:44 |
| dholbach | configure: error: /bin/sh config/config.sub x86_64-linux failed | 10:44 |
| dholbach | configure: error: /bin/sh './configure' failed for cppunit | 10:44 |
| dholbach | make: *** [config.status] Error 1 | 10:44 |
| dholbach | pbuilder: Failed autobuilding of package | 10:44 |
| sivang | seb128: he also wanted me to include l10n, should I integrate it for te same upload? | 10:44 |
| dholbach | oops | 10:44 |
| dholbach | sorry, wrong tab | 10:44 |
| seb128 | sivang: want to l10n ? | 10:44 |
| sivang | seb128: yes, I'll add then and then request again your review | 10:44 |
| sivang | seb128: should just be another patch right? just as my previous one.. | 10:45 |
| sivang | ? | 10:45 |
| sivang | seb128: with the changes for the he.po file | 10:45 |
| seb128 | I don't understand what you want to do with the l10n | 10:45 |
| seb128 | oh | 10:45 |
| sivang | seb128: I can provide hebrew l10n | 10:45 |
| lamont | Kamion: why would a default hoary install + ssh-server still take passwords, with sshd_config saying PasswordAuthentication no? | 10:45 |
| seb128 | use the bugzilla bug for the desktop translation for that | 10:46 |
| Kamion | svenl: interestingly, X starts up just fine here, without the need for any hacking | 10:46 |
| Kamion | lamont: keyboard-interactive | 10:46 |
| sivang | seb128: ok, I'll add the app name's there also. | 10:46 |
| Kamion | lamont: try ChallengeResponseAuthentication no | 10:46 |
| seb128 | sivang: do you have an idea on #6945 ? | 10:46 |
| lamont | ah, ok | 10:46 |
| sivang | seb128: /me looks | 10:46 |
| herve | seb128, packages online: http://deb.oursours.net/motu/ | 10:47 |
| seb128 | herve: ok | 10:47 |
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| sivang | seb128: seems strange, I can't his the difference he is talking about | 10:49 |
| sivang | seb128: *see | 10:49 |
| seb128 | k, thanks | 10:50 |
| ogra | sivang, the default should be a sans terminal font, but it changes to a serif one | 10:50 |
| ogra | thats how i understand it | 10:50 |
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| Kamion | svenl: ok, yaboot-installer changes uploaded too, should be ready to test tomorrow | 10:51 |
| sivang | ogra: I don't get there over my hoary' | 10:51 |
| sivang | ogra: I just tried to reproduce | 10:51 |
| sivang | seb128: I cannot reporoduce, maybe I am not seeing the font difference? | 10:52 |
| ogra | ah, ok | 10:52 |
| Kamion | cron.daily running for new CD images, will do live build once that's finished assuming I'm still up | 10:52 |
| seb128 | sivang: dunno, I'm not sure to understand the difference/issue | 10:53 |
| lamont | Kamion: ubuntu livecd fsimages are all current | 10:54 |
| ogra | seb128, selected sans fort changes to serif, even if sans is selected | 10:54 |
| ogra | font even | 10:54 |
| ogra | seb128, terminal font that is, not the gtk one | 10:54 |
| sivang | ogra: my font remaind the same after executing with the he locale | 10:55 |
| seb128 | ogra: right, but I don't get how the locale change the font | 10:55 |
| Kamion | lamont: I've queued it up in my terminal input; assuming that connection stays running, they'll build ... :) | 10:56 |
| ogra | seb128, it shouldnt and since this bug is from 26.02 i would tag it NEEDINFO, there changed a lot since then wrt locales and langpacks | 10:57 |
| seb128 | yeah | 10:57 |
| sivang | ogra: how do you see the font changed? | 10:57 |
| ogra | sivang, look at the screenshits | 10:58 |
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| ogra | s/i/o | 10:58 |
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| seb128 | sivang: thanks for the comment on the bug | 10:58 |
| sivang | seb128: no prob :) But I hope I didn't talk rubbish given what ogra just said :-/ | 10:58 |
| seb128 | nop, the comment is just fine | 10:59 |
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| ogra | sivang, you said you cant reproduce, thats not rubbish | 10:59 |
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| sivang | ogra: I didn't even see the differences between his two screenshots :-) anywaysm, it would be nice to see what font he has before and *after* he changed the locale so it might be useful | 11:00 |
| ogra | sivang, before: http://img60.exs.cx/img60/685/img34go.jpg | 11:01 |
| ogra | sivang, after: http://img88.exs.cx/img88/3448/img17uq.jpg | 11:01 |
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| sivang | ogra: ok, thankss, I saw that now, but still I couldn't reproduce :) | 11:03 |
| sivang | seb128: I'll do the upload tommorow with martin, I need to get some sleep, night | 11:03 |
| sivang | night all :) | 11:03 |
| seb128 | k | 11:03 |
| seb128 | 'night | 11:03 |
| dholbach | night sivan! | 11:04 |
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| sivang | night seb128, dholbach | 11:05 |
| jon1011 | has someone seen metalikop ? | 11:05 |
| === Kamion -> bed | ||
| ogra | sivang, night | 11:05 |
| dholbach | jon1011: he's kop|gone | 11:06 |
| ogra | Kamion, sleep well | 11:06 |
| jon1011 | (he maintains the ubuntu .deb package for my app, appliworks, but I wasn't able to contact him for some days... and there is a new version of my app :p) | 11:06 |
| dholbach | bye Kamion | 11:06 |
| jon1011 | oh ok :) | 11:06 |
| jon1011 | dholbach: thx :) | 11:06 |
| dholbach | jon1011: mail him the location of an rss-feed or something :-) | 11:06 |
| jon1011 | dholbach: yes I will do this :p | 11:07 |
| dholbach | jon1011: good | 11:08 |
| jdub | uuugggh | 11:08 |
| jdub | man | 11:08 |
| jdub | uuuuuuggghhh | 11:09 |
| ajmitch | morning jdub | 11:09 |
| dholbach | hellas jdub | 11:09 |
| jdub | ajmitch: uuggghh. | 11:09 |
| === ogra shakes head about the acrobat thread | ||
| seb128 | hey hey jdub | 11:10 |
| ogra | jdub, i conquered main today :) so i could do the xscreensaver patching myself now ;) | 11:10 |
| jdub | ogra: rock! | 11:11 |
| ogra | yay :) | 11:12 |
| bluefoxicy | doko: still at it? | 11:14 |
| herve | seb128, thanks for the upload | 11:15 |
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| seb128 | herve: np | 11:15 |
| seb128 | thanks for the work on the package | 11:16 |
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| GheRivero | res | 11:16 |
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| mdz | lamont: livefs builds finished and successful? | 11:17 |
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| lamont | ubuntu ones were, Kamion has the cd build queued up on his termina | 11:21 |
| lamont | l | 11:21 |
| mdz | ah, ok | 11:22 |
| lamont | <Kamion> lamont: I've queued it up in my terminal input; assuming that connection stays running, they'll build ... :) | 11:23 |
| lamont | mdz: that was 13:56 your time | 11:23 |
| mdz | looks like there's an install CD build in progress right now | 11:24 |
| mdz | complete with jigdo images, so that'll be another hour or so *groan* | 11:24 |
| lamont | right | 11:24 |
| lamont | I think it's his array 7 candidate, maybe? | 11:24 |
| mdz | lamont: I'm still getting bug mail on kernel-team; did you do the search&change-multiple exercise? | 11:24 |
| lamont | yeah, but not again since you updated the qa default | 11:25 |
| === lamont fixes it one more time... | ||
| lamont | mdz: btw, if gpgsm made it into main soon, the buildd's would be happier. | 11:25 |
| bluefoxicy | hmm | 11:26 |
| mdz | lamont: hmm? | 11:26 |
| bluefoxicy | Would timidity enhancements be interesting to ubuntu? | 11:26 |
| mdz | lamont: somebody upload a broken build-dep? | 11:26 |
| bluefoxicy | I wrote a script, tmidity-update, for Gentoo a while back | 11:26 |
| lamont | kdepim build-dep: gpgsm. kdepim in main, gpgsm in universe. | 11:26 |
| lamont | no joy | 11:26 |
| bluefoxicy | it lets you manage multiple timidity patch sets by sticking them in a specific directory layout. There's a system selected patchset, and a user selected one. | 11:27 |
| bluefoxicy | the user can run timidity-update and change the patch set easily | 11:27 |
| lamont | mdz: 6849 and 7229 are assigned to kernel-team - those should be the only ones getting mail to kernel-team... otherwise, bug #? | 11:27 |
| bluefoxicy | the idea is to install midia, freepats, EAW, and shompatches all at once and switch between them | 11:27 |
| === lamont reassigns 6849 | ||
| lamont | ah, was jdub assigned them... :-) | 11:29 |
| === lamont notes that every time he goes into bz and looks at a bug or 2, he gets a ding on his quota meter. damn verbosity. | ||
| mdz | lamont: 1440 | 11:32 |
| mdz | 6849 you mentioned | 11:32 |
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| Riddell | mdz: kubuntu-default-settings also needs to go in main if it hasn't been put there already | 11:34 |
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| mdz | Riddell: no problem with kubuntu-default-settings | 11:35 |
| mdz | Riddell: but a bunch of new build-deps are present now, and those packages weren't in the original list | 11:35 |
| mdz | hence they have not had a supportability review | 11:35 |
| mdz | and can't move into main yet | 11:35 |
| lamont | mdz: ah, I only changed open bugs... time to go get the rest.. | 11:36 |
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| zul | hey | 11:40 |
| lamont | mdz: 23 more bugs tweaked | 11:40 |
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| jdub | seb128: dude | 11:41 |
| jdub | seb128: http://www.xline.fr/index2.php?lang=eng | 11:41 |
| jdub | seb128: wtf? | 11:41 |
| lamont | mdz: but I'm not going to reopen 7001 just to reassign it. | 11:41 |
| robtaylor | mm. who'se the ipv6 guru? | 11:42 |
| lamont | mdz: livecd should blow it's brains out more soundly when it runs out of RAM... | 11:42 |
| lamont | robtaylor: I think fabbione is the designated one, but what's the question | 11:42 |
| lamont | ? | 11:42 |
| lamont | mdz: instead of the silent sulk that it seems to do now... | 11:43 |
| robtaylor | lamont: on my hoary (of today) box, gethostbyname seems to do an ipv6 query to the dnsserver, then go through the domian search, then finally (30 seconds later..) try an ipv4 query | 11:43 |
| seb128 | jdub: is that a real stuff ? :) | 11:43 |
| zul | lamont: there is no build logs for fglrx-kernel-source? | 11:43 |
| robtaylor | (as my nameserver doesnt understand ipv6 ;)) | 11:44 |
| lamont | zul: see http://people.ubuntu.com/l/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10/2.6.10.3-5/ | 11:44 |
| zul | ah ok | 11:44 |
| zul | thanks | 11:44 |
| lamont | zul: apt-cache show pkg-name | grep Source | 11:44 |
| lamont | if it doesn't say anything, that's the source name | 11:45 |
| lamont | if it does, that's what you want to use | 11:45 |
| lamont | robtaylor: yeah, that'd be a fabbione question.. no clue here... :-( | 11:45 |
| robtaylor | lamont: heh, thanks anyway :) | 11:45 |
| lamont | robtaylor: I was hoping for something trivial, so I could look like a guru... | 11:46 |
| robtaylor | lamont: i was hpoing it'd be trivial too :) | 11:46 |
| lamont | oh, it probably is. | 11:46 |
| robtaylor | seemed to start sometime middle of last week | 11:46 |
| lamont | one might look at the order of things in /etc/hosts, but that'd be a total guess | 11:47 |
| robtaylor | lamont: hey, its worth a try.. | 11:47 |
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| jdub | seb128: supposedly it's some ex-mandrake dude | 11:47 |
| seb128 | where have you read about it ? | 11:48 |
| seb128 | I've not heard about that before | 11:48 |
| jdub | lxer | 11:48 |
| seb128 | and the website doesn't get a lot of stuff | 11:48 |
| jdub | with a very broken english announcement ;) | 11:48 |
| seb128 | oh, I've switched in the french version directly | 11:49 |
| seb128 | I'm lazy :p | 11:49 |
| herve | regular broken English speak by a French as for me ;-) | 11:49 |
| herve | (s/speak/spoken - I'm a good example of broken English...) | 11:51 |
| mdz | lamont: silent sulk? | 11:51 |
| mdz | lamont: I'd rather expect it to sort of implode spectacularly | 11:52 |
| mdz | practically every write failing, that sort of thing | 11:52 |
| lamont | well, it kinda seems to go into a vm-thrash mode, at least for my bro | 11:52 |
| === lamont notes that ubuntu is #1 on distrowatch (last 3 months) | ||
| lamont | and #3 in last 6 | 11:53 |
| lamont | "last 1 month" stats are kinda scary | 11:53 |
| lamont | in a good way | 11:53 |
| HrdwrBoB | yeah | 11:53 |
| HrdwrBoB | it's a large margin | 11:54 |
| seb128 | what is scary is the bugzilla flood :p | 11:54 |
| daniels | seb128: yeah :\ | 11:54 |
| zul | seb128: heh...been there done that recently :) | 11:55 |
| zul | eh lamont? | 11:55 |
| jdub | that's an *impressive* margin | 11:56 |
| crimsun | lamont: got a buildd question if you have a sec | 11:56 |
| lamont | fire away | 11:56 |
| crimsun | lamont: both http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/g/gnuradio/0.9-2.1/gnuradio_0.9-2.1_20050301-1305-amd64-failed and http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/g/gnuradio/0.9-2.1ubuntu1/gnuradio_0.9-2.1ubuntu1_20050315-0738-amd64-failed show "checking build system type... Invalid configuration `x86_64-linux': machine `x86_64' not recognized" | 11:57 |
| crimsun | dholbach and I have checked automake and autotools-dev versions | 11:57 |
| === lamont fetches | ||
| crimsun | I've searched google as to how I might attempt to resolve the "$architecture not recognized" and can't find much. debian/rules does copy over the newer config.{guess,sub} | 11:58 |
| lamont | sigh.. elmo: could I have gnuradio build-deps in the hoary chroot on concordia? | 11:59 |
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