lamont_rKamion: you awake?12:06
jdubmdz: around?12:06
mdzjdub: yes12:06
seb128mdz: about #6387, bug to fix for hoary I guess ?12:09
seb128any idea on how ? mask this tab ?12:09
mdzseb128: is carlosg going to hate us?12:10
seb128I don't think he cares if we mask it12:10
seb128if we break it, perhaps :p12:10
mdzis there anything on that tab which is not scary?12:11
seb128hum, in fact I'm messing the 2 tabs12:11
mdzchanging the shell is OK12:11
seb128the username is on the account one12:11
ogramdz, to which bug belongs the gpm patch (for the credits)12:13
seb128mdz: changing the username field to a non-editable one ?12:13
mdzogra: I don't remember12:14
mdzseb128: that sounds fine to me12:14
mdzwhatever you feel is best12:14
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sivangseb128: more changes to users-admin ?12:16
seb128read #gst12:16
pitti_"Thou shall not 'mv libc-2.3.2.so libc-2.3.2.so.old' in /lib/tls"12:17
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pittiHi Astharot 12:28
sivangpitti: the modification of the POTFILES.in should be part of the i18n patch or of the l10n patch?12:32
sivangpitti: (I have to add an entry with that file, since it didn't have harcoded strings before)12:32
sivangpitti: (view-printers.c)12:32
pittisivang: i18n12:32
sivangpitti: k, cool12:32
sivangpitti: thx12:32
lamont_rmdz: what do you think about importing openafs 1.3.74 from debian/experimental into universe, since what's in universe doesn't believe in 2.6 kernels?12:37
lamont_rit's not like it breaks anything worse than it already is.... :-)12:37
ogralamont_r, hmm, a question of belief .....12:39
lamont_ralthough 1.3.79 has been released....12:39
lamont_rogra: will not compile, apparently.  or at least doesn't work.12:39
lamont_rmy afs-bigot friend is asking after it...12:39
ograso just let it sync then, its universe, as long as you think it will work *shrug*12:40
lamont_rand it's a prereq for getting hoary on my (shared) co-lo box....12:40
lamont_rogra: oh, no. it panics the kernel occasionally, but it mostly works.... apparently... :-)12:40
lamont_rI'll put the bigot to work on making a package :-)12:41
lamont_rogra: but do you see any issues with uploading it to universe?  When is the universe freeze anyway?12:42
dholbachlamont: when we fixed wiki/MOTUTodo12:42
dholbachlamont_r: :-)12:43
ogralamont_r, we call it a "soft" freeze ;)12:43
lamont_rkinda like soft-serve?12:43
ogralamont_r, if its required we upload or sync... just trying to avoid unnecessary stuff12:43
ogralamont_r, dholbach collects a list for elmo syncs currently....12:44
lamont_rI'm going to make him either package 1.3.79, or work with hartmans to update the package in experimental12:44
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dholbachhi zul12:49
pittimdz: now I have a patch that really works; it's more straightforward, too12:49
zulhey dholbach 12:49
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mdzlamont_r: fine with me, if you'll make sure that it builds12:56
GheRiveroping jdub12:56
Riddellis anyone able to help me with a package12:56
GheRiverowhat's the problem Riddell ?12:56
Riddelldoesn't install the files it should install in /etc12:56
Riddellsame directory12:57
Riddellor  deb http://jasmine.19inch.net/~jr/away/kubuntu/ ./12:57
GheRiveroRiddell, are you sure it doesn't install files on /etc?01:00
RiddellGheRivero: doesn't seem to for me01:01
RiddellGheRivero: have you installed it?  what do you get in /etc/kde-profile/default/share/config/01:01
GheRiverowhich one exactly I have a lot of them there now01:01
jdubGheRivero: hi01:01
pittinight everybody01:01
GheRiveroclock_panelapplet_kubuntu_rc  kdeglobals  konqiconviewrc  kpersonalizerrc01:01
GheRiverokaffeinerc                    kdesktoprc  konquerorrc     kwinrc01:01
GheRiverokbookmarkrc                   kickerrc    konsolerc01:01
Riddellso it works for you, why doesn't it work for me?01:01
GheRiverojdub, did you get sleep? :)01:02
GheRiveroRiddell, it should be the same01:02
sivanggood night all!01:02
jdubGheRivero: apart from the mosquitos eating me, yeah ;)01:02
dholbachbye sivan01:02
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sivangnight dholbach 01:02
zuloh yah it summer in australia i keep forgetting01:02
sivanggood night ogra 01:03
ogranight sivang 01:03
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GheRiveroRiddell, did you try purging the package before installing it?01:06
RiddellGheRivero: ah, that fixed it01:07
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GheRiveroyou are welcomed01:07
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FackamatoI have a problem with ubuntu01:08
Fackamatothis is very strange.01:08
Fackamatoit's not logical or anything, I don't get it01:08
wasabi_-devel is for development01:08
Fackamatowell, I figured you might know more about ubuntu core-things than they do, they pointed me here01:08
Fackamatoyou as in you guys01:08
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Keybukmost of the guys in here hang out on #ubuntu too01:09
Keybukand answer questions there01:09
Keybukthis channel is for discussing development of ubuntu01:09
Amaranthand me asking stupid development-related questions, of course :)01:10
Fackamatolet me finish: using fglrx driver, ati card, 2.6.10-k7, i install the driver, i load it, xorg works fine. i reboot, xorg doesn't start, i get this: www.tehjunkyard.net/xorg.log . i modprobe -r fglrx.ko, I copy the fglrx.ko from fglrx package to /lib/modules/kernelversion/kernel/drivers/video/fglrx.ko and modprobe it again. now it works. reboot, doesn't work. I have to rmmod and copy the file again, and it works.01:10
Fackamatodoes ubuntu copy over the file or something?01:10
Fackamatothe filesizes are the same.01:10
srbakerwhere do i set up an sftp folder in nautilus like edd points out on his blog?01:10
ogra#ubuntu please01:11
srbakeroh, whoops01:11
wasabi_Fackamato, if nobody in #ubuntu is answering you, the same people aren't going to answer you here.01:11
Fackamatowasabi_: Indeed, there might be more people in here that aren't in #ubuntu though.01:11
Keybukwe'd be in #ubuntu if we were able to help01:13
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Riddellhow does gnome turn on anti-aliasing by default?01:17
Riddellseems you have to make a ~/.fonts.conf01:18
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srbakerhhe.  if debian cuts down to 4 archs, it won't be very useful to me anymore :p01:22
mdzjdub: what's the status of the cursor changes (#6172)?01:24
jdublocal package has the alternative foo re-added01:25
mdzis there a waitcondition for uploading it?01:25
jdubhowever i'm having a problem with stuff left behind by the old package, or inability to override01:25
jdubhere's what's in my alternative01:25
jdubsorry, phone01:25
jdub$ update-alternatives --display x-cursor-theme01:27
jdubx-cursor-theme - status is manual.01:27
jdub link currently points to /usr/share/themes/Industrial/cursor.theme01:27
jdub/etc/X11/cursors/core.theme - priority 3001:27
jdub/etc/X11/cursors/redglass.theme - priority 2001:27
jdub/etc/X11/cursors/whiteglass.theme - priority 2001:27
jdub/etc/X11/cursors/handhelds.theme - priority 2001:27
jdubCurrent `best' version is /etc/X11/cursors/core.theme.01:27
jdub/etc/alternatives/x-cursor-theme -> /usr/share/themes/Industrial/cursor.theme01:27
jduboh, wrong machine01:27
jdubso with current package, i get a Human alternative correctly01:27
jdubwith priority 4001:27
jdubbut can't find a way to reset the manual alternative (to a file that no longer exists)01:28
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mjg59jdub: Yo01:32
mjg59jdub: Looks like I'll be joining you in .au01:32
dholbachjdub: can't you   update-alternative --something  in the old package's  .prerm?01:32
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GheRiverodrmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such device)01:40
GheRiverodrmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such device)01:40
GheRiverodrmOpenDevice: Open failed01:40
GheRiverosorry! not here!01:40
jdubdholbach: that seems impolite01:42
dholbachjdub: but you say it no longer exists?01:43
seb128g'night 01:43
dholbachbye seb128 01:43
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dholbachseb128: thanks for uploading01:44
zulnight seb128 01:44
mrothfabbione: do you think it will be possible to examine #7258 prior to hoary, or is it too low priority?01:44
jdubdholbach: there's no guarantee that it doesn't, however01:44
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dholbachjdub: and a rigid   update-alternative   to whatever you're trying to update the alternative to? maybe a bit impolite too, hm? :-)01:45
ograjdub: test it before running update-alternative01:45
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jdubi'm sure there is a general or recommended solution to this, i just don't know what it is01:46
mdzjdub: you can't/shouldn't override a manually-selected alternative; why would you want to?01:46
dholbachusing debconf *duck and run away*01:46
mdzif it's being set to manual when it shouldn't, that probably means you're doing things in the wrong order01:46
jdubmdz: exactly :-)01:46
jdubmdz: what's the status of your x-cursor-theme alternative?01:47
ograjdub: here its broken01:50
ogralrwxrwxrwx  1 root root  41 2005-01-31 11:40 x-cursor-theme -> /usr/share/themes/Industrial/cursor.theme01:50
mdzjdub:  +    1        /etc/X11/cursors/core.theme01:52
mdzoh, no it isn't01:52
jdubmdz: how fresh is your hoary install?01:52
mdz/etc/alternatives/x-cursor-theme is a broken symlink01:52
jdubsee, i think the old industrial engines package didn't deregister properly or something01:53
mdzsounds that way01:53
mdzso a new version of the industrial engines package should fix it01:53
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jdubbut it doesn't have the cursor theme any more01:53
mdzbut it broke the alternative (we think)01:54
jdubthe old one did, i imagine01:54
jdubit was replaced with a package from a different source01:55
mdzwhat package are we talking about here?01:55
mdzthe one which used to contain themes/Industrial/cursor.theme01:55
ogragtk-engines-industrial i guess01:55
jdubmdz: so01:56
jdubold gtk2-engines-industrial had the cursor theme01:56
mdzgtk2-engines-industrial doesn't have any maintainer scripts01:56
mdzat all01:56
jdubthe new one is from a different source, gtk-engines, not the old, independent industrial source01:57
jdubyeah, the new one doesn't need any01:57
mdzwhat a mess01:58
mdzthis needed to be dealt with much earlier; I didn't realize this was fucked alternatives, rather than just moving files around01:58
mdzthe prerm in the warty version of gtk-industrial-engine looks reasonable01:59
mdzits postinst is fucked though02:00
jdubso should the new package have removed the alternative on postinst?02:00
jdubor should the prerm from the old package have handled it?02:00
mdzthe prerm from the old package should have handled it02:01
jdubmmm, that's what i had thought02:01
jdubso, bad hack to check and change in the new ubuntu-artwork package?02:02
mdzbut if there were an error during prerm, it would have called postinst to unwind02:02
mdzwhich unconditionally restores the alternative02:02
mdzI'd recommend fixing it in gtk2-engines-industrial02:02
mdzif /etc/alternatives/foo is a broken link, and the target is bar, then update-alternatives --auto foo02:03
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zenwhenwho is going to get the job of sorting all the data given by the hardware info report tool02:04
jdubmdz: and update-alternatives in ubuntu-artwork should only happen on install or upgrade02:05
jdubmdz: correct?02:05
mdzjdub: where does ubuntu-artwork enter into it?02:05
mdzoh, ubuntu-artwork has the new theme02:05
mdzubuntu-artwork should do update-alternatives in postinst (install|upgrade) and prerm (remove)02:06
jdub(working around upstream screwage)02:06
mdzI think02:06
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mdzI always look it up and check examples because I rarely work with alternatives02:06
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mdzI wonder why there isn't a debhelper component for alternatives yet02:07
ograzenwhen: some cool AI02:07
jdubthe old gtk2-engines-industrial removed the icon cache02:07
zenwhenogra, oh thats cool. It has taken five minutes just gathering data.02:08
jdubhrm, no, that makes sense here, too02:08
zenwhenI hope it works.02:08
ograzenwhen, nope02:08
zenwhenoh its broken?02:08
ograzenwhen, i havent uploaded the code for sending yet02:08
zenwhenwell it sure looks cool02:08
zenwhenreally really professional02:09
ograzenwhen, thanks, cross your fingers that it works like it looks too :)02:09
zenwhenHopefully so. I'd like to see Ubuntu call ym video card by name.02:09
ograzenwhen, that should be ready during the next two days (naming netcard, videocard and probably soundcard) the last one i cant promise though02:10
zenwhensounds awesome02:12
mdzogra: ETA for the ubuntu-desktop-ready version?02:27
ograwed 23:59 UTC ?02:28
ograto late ?02:29
mdzogra: we need something in array 702:32
mdzthat's the final milestone before RC02:32
ogramdz: array 7 was yesterday according to the release schedule02:33
mdzogra: no, it's Wednesday02:33
mdz(according to the release schedule ;-) )02:34
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thullyJust did a clean install from preview CD - hibernate was not set up by default (at least the suspend/resume partition wasn't)?  Is this expected?02:34
mdzthully: only if you didn't create a swap partition02:35
tsengthe resume partition is sawp02:35
mdzit's been repeatedly confirmed to work under a variety of circumstances otherwise02:35
ogramdz: ok02:36
thullyOK - whatabout adding resume= - is that necessary?02:36
mdzdid you actually check whether it worked?  resume= is no longer necessary02:36
ogramdz: forgot about the 2 day timeshift02:36
thullywhere is that taken care of, then?02:36
tsengin the kernel, its all setup for you at install02:37
tsengplease just give it a try from the logout menu or gdm and let us know if its !working02:37
mroththe resume= line is no longer necessary?  waoh.  should I remove it and test for confirmation?02:38
thullyso -can you use the ThinkPad hibernate shortcut (Fn+F12)02:38
tsengtheres a really easy way to find out02:39
tsengtry it :)02:39
thullyI'll go ahead and try it out02:40
dholbachif not: you can reconfigure the keyboard short cuts from the gnome menu02:40
tritiumdoes anything check that the swap space is >= the amount of memory in the newer install CDs?02:40
thullyOne unrelated question: is it too late to enable autohinter in Hoary, even if just for a whitelist of fonts?02:41
tsengend-user questions belong in #ubuntu btw02:41
thullyno - this is a question about system defaults, not how do I enable autohinter02:41
tsengyour last question was not02:42
tsengyou seem fairly determined to spend up development time on simple things you could find out for yourself02:42
mdzthully: yes, it is absolutely too late, and I already told you that the last time you asked about it02:42
tsengoh.. and there is the issue of you repeating/cross posting yourself02:43
mdzwhich was earlier today02:43
thullyOK - I think it may have been lostin my e-mail02:44
dholbachgood night everyone02:45
tsengbye dholbach 02:45
dholbachbye tseng 02:45
zulthully: google is your friend02:47
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thullyhi - just tested hibernate - on first boot after install, you can't do it using the keyboard and doing it from GNOME shutdown screen causes the system to hang in the middle of the process02:55
thullyAfter rebooting, it works fine using keyboard and GNOME menu02:55
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thullyJust reported it on bugzilla - 766703:07
thullynot sure of the component, so I specified acpi-support03:07
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jbanot sure if this is an ubuntu devel question but will ask it here anyway03:09
jbais there a reason why every time i run the update manager grub re-writes my menu.lst ?03:09
jbaand removes my windows entry?03:09
jbai don't mind re-entering but it seems like this shouldn't be happening?03:10
jdubput your windows entry outside the automatically rewritten section03:12
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jbajdub, aah cool, thanks dude, I did have as the first item (for my wife's sake)03:21
jbai'll just have to tell her to pick the last one03:21
jbaor let it go by default03:21
lamontmdz: did you want to know that zsh is ftbfs?03:24
jdubyou can make it the first entry by putting it above the automatically rewritten seciton03:24
jduband it will be used as the default03:25
mdzlamont: it'sawhat?03:28
mdzlamont: my upload changed nothing but changelog and Completion/Unix/Command/_baz03:29
lamontmake[2] : Entering directory `/build/buildd/zsh-4.2.1/obj/Src'03:29
lamontmake[2] : ../../config.status: Command not found03:29
lamontmake[2] : *** [mkmakemod.sh]  Error 12703:29
mdzlamont: and I test-built it before uploading03:29
mdzdid the previous version FTBFS too?03:29
jbajdub, i thought i did that alreasym will try again03:29
lamontmdz: no.03:31
lamontmdz: you seem to have a special touch. :-(03:31
mdzClint: any guesses?03:31
mdz Completion/Unix/Command/_baz |    4 ++--03:32
mdz debian/changelog             |    6 ++++++03:32
mdzmust be some kind of timestamp fuckage03:32
Clintmdz: there's a very nasty ugly patch on zsh to prevent it from linking the main binary to -lpcre and -lcap.  it looks like that got a little fragile03:33
Clintwell, it was fragile to begin with03:33
Clintso, yes, it's probably timestamp fuckage03:33
mdzClint: is there a bat^Wworkaround I can apply?03:33
Clintif I weren't suffering from extreme sleep-deprivation, I'd say yes03:34
mdzthere's the full log03:35
Clintis going to 4.2.4 right out?03:36
mdzhow well-behaved has it been in Debian?03:36
mdzI don't mind digging a fix out of it if you can give me a hint where to look03:36
mdzfor some reason it's looking at toplevel for config.status, rather than in obj03:36
Clintthough that makes no sense03:38
mdzit's the mkmakemod.sh target in Src/Makefile03:38
mdzmkmakemod.sh: $(dir_top)/config.status mkmakemod.sh.in03:38
mdz        $(dir_top)/../config.status03:38
mdzmkmakemod.sh.in: mkmakemod.sh.in.in03:38
mdz        $(dir_top)/../config.status03:38
mdzwhich makes no sense at all03:38
mdzit pretty much explicitly tries to go to the parent dir of where it's supposed to be03:39
mdzthat bit of code is the same in 4.2.4-1, interestingly enough03:39
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Clintyeah, I just keep star-merging it along03:40
Clintit's gruesome03:40
mdzI seem to break timestampish things sometimes by building on a tmpfs03:40
lifelessClint: baz probs ?03:40
mdzwhich is where I generally build stuff, unless it's like, X or oo.o03:40
Clintlifeless: well, I can't use baz on that archive03:41
lifelessClint: why not ?03:41
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Clintlifeless: if I use a revision-library, it chokes to death consistently, and if I don't, it fails in weird and erratic wys03:41
Clinter, ways03:41
lifelessClint: thats weird - I'd love to fix that. are you able to spend some time with me identifying the cause ?03:42
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mdzgah, it's re-running autoconf during the build03:42
mdzthat at least I can fix03:42
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Clintlifeless: http://bugs.debian.org/297756 describes the reproducible problem03:43
mdzthough I have no idea why that breaks it03:43
Clintlifeless: let me know what else you want me to do03:43
Clintit probably touches something that isn't supposed to be touched03:44
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lifelessClint: whats the url for the archive03:44
mdzwtf was autoconf doing in the chroot?03:44
mdzzsh build-deps on autoconf, growl03:45
Clintlifeless: http://arch.debian.org/arch/pkg-zsh/current/03:45
Clintwhat the?!03:45
lifelessClint: ok, reproduced03:46
lamontmdz: well, it fixed the build the last time...03:46
lifelessClint: does it work with tla ?03:46
mdz  * Build-Depend: autoconf03:46
mdz -- LaMont Jones <lamont@canonical.com>  Fri, 26 Nov 2004 17:36:02 -070003:46
Clintlifeless: nope, same annoying crap03:46
Clintlifeless: less wordy though03:47
lifelessClint: ah. betchya its a fuxked tarball03:47
Clintany quick fix?03:47
lamonthave I mentioned how it's bad to patch files that are built from other files?03:47
Clintain't none of my packages meant to be autoreconf'd03:48
mdzit's fine as long as the build process doesn't try to magically generated them03:48
lifelessthe fucker03:48
lifelesssorry but someone has 'edited' the archive.03:49
lamontmdz: and the file in question when I added autoconf was deep in a twisty maze03:49
lifelessits corrupt and must be discarded or manually repaired.03:49
lifelessClint: if you look in the tarball, you'll see that it has a patch log for "\{arch\}/zsh/zsh--upstream/zsh--upstream--4.1.1/schizo\@debian.org--2004--pkg-zsh/patch-log/base-0"03:49
Clinthow do I figure out what needs repairing?03:49
schweebis there a non-ubuntuized kernel source package?  I'm trying to modify some debian Xen packages to work, but doesn't look like there's a vanilla pkg... should I back out the ubuntu patches, or am I wrong?03:49
mdzlamont: are you saying that regenerating autoconf during the build was intentional?03:49
mdzrather than working around the fact that the build wanted to do it?03:49
lifelesswhat this means is that the archive /really is/ schizo\@debian.org--2004--pkg-zsh and the branch really is zsh--upstream--4.1.103:50
Clintlifeless: so I should remove it?03:50
lifelesssomeone has edited the 'name' meta-info file.03:50
mdzlooks pretty innocent03:50
lifelessnow the question is - are the later commits to the same archive *also* for schizo\@debian.org--2004--pkg-zsh ?03:50
lifelessif they ALL ARE. then its easy: put the name back were it should be.03:51
Clintlifeless: no03:51
lifelessif there are mixed commits, then you need to:03:51
lifeless1) decide on the archive name03:51
lifeless2) unpack the base-0 and edit the log, and all metadata to be what you want it to be03:51
lifeless3) repack it03:51
lamontlifeless: please note.  I've never done anything this evil to arch. :-)03:51
lifeless4) repeat on every changeset after that.03:51
mdzschweeb: there is an Ubuntu package, a Debian package, and a vanilla tarball from upstream; they are all distinct03:52
Clintlifeless: great, thanks03:52
lifelessgoerzen wrote a shell script to do this. I don't know how robust it is.03:52
lifelessyou'll then need to find every mirror of the archive in existence and get them to zap them selves and start over.03:52
lifelesswhoever edited 'name' should be tied up and whipped. right after the designer of a non-self-documenting archive format susceptible to this.03:53
mdzlamont: let me know if ubuntu15 does better03:53
lifelessafter you fix this, it should work just fine.03:53
lamontmdz: wilco03:53
mdzlamont: I mean 15ubuntu403:53
lifelessClint: also, be sure to nuke ~/.arch-cache/archives/zsh\@packages.debian.org--pkg-zsh03:54
lifelessClint: talk to lamont about what to nuke when you change history ;)03:54
lamontPreconfiguring packages ...03:54
lamontgcc-opt: Failed to open /CurrentlyBuilding03:54
lifeless'/' ?03:54
lamontdo I want to know why preconfiguring packages runs the compiler????03:54
lamontlifeless: heh03:55
lifelesslamont: one reason I like arch's archive format is that rcs scripts are harmless03:55
mdzlamont: dpkg-architecture?03:58
lamontah, ok03:58
lamontamazing the things one trips over.. :-)03:58
zenwhenoh crap04:01
zenwhenthat guy is doing backports for hoary already04:01
lamontzenwhen: heh04:03
lamontwell, I mean, UVF was like so 2.5 months ago04:03
zenwhenI was already bitten by that backports deal once04:03
zenwhenI am not convinced he wont screw it up again04:04
lamontzenwhen: there's no reason to run backports.  honestly.04:04
lamontwell, ok.  people have reasons04:05
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zenwhenThings like Firefox and Gaim that have regular releases are what cause people to use backports.04:06
mrothlamont: well admittedly, FF being so high profile, there are going to be a lot of people freaking out if its not the most "bleeding edge"04:06
zenwhenregular and highly touted releases04:06
mrothesp. since slashdot has scared half of them into thinking that its an "important security release!"04:06
Clintlifeless: thanks, looks like that worked04:06
mroth(not to suggest that its wasnt a security problem, but its the type of security problem that only affects people who click stupid links in their email)04:07
zenwhenmy only issue with firefox is how crappy the left side of the left mst tab loks sometimes04:09
jdub"It's only a security issue if you're stupid. Are you stupid?"04:10
Keybukjdub: "special"04:10
jdub(not that i necessarily believe that, for the problem in question, but anyway)04:10
lamont53 binaries in hoary/desktop taht are suid and/or sgid04:11
jdubhalf of those are gnome-games, right? :)04:11
Keybukyeah, it's about time sudo wasn't setuid root04:11
mrothjdub: is it going to be possible to get FF1.0.1 into hoary?  it might be a good idea as a "public relations" move, since I bet otherwise every single review will mention it.04:12
lamont-rwsr-sr-x  1 root    root      7664 2005-03-02 07:03 ./usr/X11R6/bin/X04:12
jdubmroth: thom's dropping that in this week, i believe04:12
mrothjdub: good to hear04:12
Keybuk/SUMMON pitty04:12
Keybukpitti too04:13
jdubnot that we make technical decisions base on "public relations"04:13
jdubKeybuk: freudian slip04:13
Keybuk*cough* ooo2.0 *uncough*04:13
jdub*cough* exactly *uncough*04:13
mdzlamont: please file a bug about that04:14
lamontmdz: OK04:14
zenwhenMyself, being smart enough not to click links in emails, am fine with firefox 1.0.04:14
mdzhas anyone seen daniels?04:14
jdubmdz: want me to call?04:14
lifelessClint: cool04:14
mdzjdub: please04:14
lifelessClint: anything you have baz problems on .. just ask ;)04:14
lamont-r-sr-xr-x  1 root   root     15000 Oct 26 14:40 ./sbin/unix_chkpwd04:15
zenwhenbut I am not smart enough right now to us eproper grammer04:15
mdzlamont: the fact that it's exactly 15000 bytes?04:15
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Clintlifeless: will do04:15
mdzlamont: 14936 on Warty if it makes you more comfortable :-)04:16
lamontjdub: 11 of them are sgid games04:16
zenwhenI am passing out some preview live and install disks at work tomorrow.04:24
zenwhenwell not preview. they are from yesterday.04:24
lamontmdz: fwiw, X was suid/sgid root on warty, too04:30
lamont2 new suid binaries, one of them a hardlink to sudo04:30
lamontthe other being hal-dmiwrapper04:30
mdzlamont: interesting; I wonder why pitti didn't flag it04:30
mdzI know of no reason it should be sgid04:31
lifelesscan we get screen suid ? its like every time I do pair programming, the first thing is 'make screen suid'04:31
lifeless(don't you love randoms like me) ?04:31
lamontmdz: especially when it's suid root04:32
lamont-rwxr-sr-x  1 root   utmp     297080 Feb 28 15:23 ./usr/bin/screen04:32
lamontlifeless: that's what you get04:32
mdzlifeless: I'm not sure that suid is required in order to do multiuser04:32
mdzit shouldn't be...04:33
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lamontwe should not be ashamed of our code. :-)04:34
lifelesslamont: cool.04:36
lamontmdz -15ubuntu4 has no love04:36
lifelessmdz: it is required04:36
lamontmake[4] : Entering directory `/build/buildd/zsh-4.2.1/obj/Src/Modules'04:36
lamontMakefile:406: cap.rules: No such file or directory04:36
lamontMakefile:1327: pcre.rules: No such file or directory04:36
lifelessmdz: the vty it allocates needs to be accessible by all the authorised users.04:36
lamontcd ../../../Src/Modules && autoconf pcre.configure.ac >pcre.configure04:37
lamont/bin/sh: autoconf: command not found04:37
lamontmake[4] : *** [../../../Src/Modules/pcre.configure]  Error 12704:37
mdzlamont: it really ought to be using a socket rather than a pty04:37
lamontoh, X.04:38
mdzlamont: screen04:38
mdzfor communication between users04:38
lamontah, ok04:39
lamontmdz: where do you want the suid-diff emailed to?04:40
mdzlamont: security-review04:40
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lamontmdz: sent04:45
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jdubha ha04:48
jdub"Don't worry; even if we upgrade to the new version, it still has remote root vulnerabilities in it."04:48
jdub^ mdz doing his slightly verbose bobby mcferrin impression04:48
lamontjdub: lol04:49
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lamontmdz: msg awaits the moderator..05:01
tritiumHi elmo.05:02
lamontwb elmo05:02
mdzlamont: please file a bug about the zsh thing; I can't focus on it tonight05:02
elmohi tritium, lamont05:03
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lamontmdz: and should I just assign it to me? :-)05:07
mdzlamont: I fixed half of it; I'll finish the job tomorrow05:07
mdzjust don't want to forget05:07
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mdzI'm too tired to figure out wtf Src/Modules/Makefile comes from05:07
lamontwill assign to you then05:07
lamontmdz: so was I when I got done with it... :)05:08
lamontand I apologize. :(05:08
eruinwho fixed the nb locale? :) I love you!05:10
tritiumelmo, I sent emails to keyring and upload.  May I inquire about the status of my request, if you have a spare moment?05:12
elmotritium: when/where did you send them?05:13
elmowasabi: ?05:13
tritiumelmo, yesterday evening05:13
tritiumelmo, from rimbert@purdue.edu05:13
elmotritium: ok - that was a sunday evening for  me, and I've just got back online after some hardware problems.  I'll process you as soon as I've caught up05:14
tritiumelmo, no problem.  Thank you.  I know you're busy, so I appreciate your time.05:14
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wasabielmo, 05:15
elmowasabi: jsch FTBFS05:15
wasabion i386?05:16
wasabicoulda sworn i pbuildered it05:16
elmoamd64 actually - not sure it matters tho, doesn't look arch specific05:16
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lamont2 wireless mice in one house is a bad thing...05:17
wasabiyou fell for the wireless trick05:17
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tritiumthey need CDMA wireless mice ;)05:17
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elmowasabi: again05:17
wasabidoes /usr/share/ant1.6 exist for you?05:19
elmowasabi: http://people.ubuntu.com/~james/paste/jsch2.txt05:19
wasabiis /usr/share/ant1.6/lib/ant.jar readable? that is the check that is failing05:21
wasabiif ! test -r "$(ANT_HOME)/lib/ant.jar"05:21
elmo-rw-r--r--  1 root root 914084 Oct 26 17:50 ant.jar05:21
wasabiwell what the heck05:21
elmoANT_HOME        := /usr/share/ant05:21
elmo ?05:21
elmothat's in debian/rules05:21
wasabieh... mine has 1.6.05:21
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elmothis is 0.1.19-1ubuntu1 which is what's in queue/NEW atm05:22
wasabihmm. i have ubuntu2. let me go figure out what i did last night.05:23
elmoRejected: jsch_0.1.19.orig.tar.gz file already exists in the New directory.05:23
wasabithat would know it out?05:24
elmounfortunately yes - katie's not smart enough to detect they're the same file if it's in NEW05:24
elmojust upload without -sa and you'll be good05:24
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wasabihey. bit embarressing. can you send me what's in New right now? :)05:25
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elmowasabi: put them in http://people.ubuntu.com/~james/paste/05:26
jdubelmo: planet sync please :)05:26
elmowasabi: fixed05:27
elmojdub: done05:28
wasabielmo, done.05:35
elmodear god, that's ugly compiler output05:37
wasabiI searched high and low but couldn't figure out how to disable warnings in ECJ05:38
elmo--stfu didn't work?05:38
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wasabiSomeday I will either figure it out, or implement -nowarn05:39
wasabioh yes, it's being called from Ant, not from the command line05:40
wasabithat's why it wouldn't work05:40
wasabigave me a heartattack there05:40
lifelessoh Clint - care to close that bug ? :)05:44
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lamontcan I have kernel-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com, me as admin?  and can we point bz at that instead of kernel-team?06:19
lamontsince that's 99.44% of the list traffic, and we're just not that pure06:19
jdubi thought you might ask for that soon ;)06:20
jdubgive me a minute06:20
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jdublamont: http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/admin/kernel-bugs06:26
jdublamont: same pw as kernel-team, please add description/summary and make the list public when you're happy with it06:26
lamontjdub: you mean same password as _you_ gave kernel-team...06:27
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jdublamont: hmm, should be password you changed it to06:28
jdublamont: let me know if not :)06:28
lamontjdub: either I can't type, or it's not the same06:29
elmook, if we release with this bloody gaim doesn't get to pop-up windows, I'm switching back to Debian :-P06:30
elmo(or something else old enough not to manifest it)06:30
mdzelmo: then they could go back to making you out to be the antichrist, instead of Ubuntu06:30
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ccdoes anyone know where theres a DEB archive of the Flash player from Macromedia ?06:40
Treenakscc: yes06:40
Treenakscc: but you can also just click the "puzzle" icon in firefox to install it automagicallt06:40
crimsuncc: flashplugin-nonfree06:40
cccrimsun: ok, thanks06:41
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eruincan I speak to anyone about the dma settings in linux-image here?07:02
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eruinI've had to compile my own kernel to set dma on for my standard ide hd/cd drives, and while doing so I noticed the ubuntu config had "CONFIG_IDEDMA_ONLYDISK=y"07:04
fabbioneeruin: -> #ubuntu-kernel07:05
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toresbethat's just lame07:24
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fabbionemorning sabdfl 07:40
fabbionehow is swiss? ;)07:40
sabdflfabbione: the matterhorn is incredible07:42
sabdflit's like some alien beacon07:42
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fabbionesabdfl: do you have any pic to show us? ;)08:05
elmoMithrandir: ?08:12
elmoMithrandir: why does mcelog not have an ubuntu version number if it's changed?  if it's unchanged, why is it not a sync?08:13
Mithrandirelmo: it's not changed.08:13
Mithrandirelmo: it's from NEW08:13
Mithrandirelmo: I was told to do it this way by mdz.08:13
Mithrandirif I can ask you to grab stuff from Debian's NEW, that's fine with me.08:14
Mithrandirbut I thought you didn't want to mix hats like that.08:14
elmohang on - how did you get it out of NEW?08:15
lifelessI was waiting for that ;)08:15
Mithrandirelmo: I asked the maintainer.08:15
Mithrandirelmo: if you want a different process, that's fine with me, I just did what mdz told me.  :)08:16
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Mithrandirand yes, I did vet the source and yes, I am trusting the developer who uploaded it to have given me the same source as he uploaded to NEW.08:18
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dholbachgoood morning09:15
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dokomdz, jdub: gcc-3.4 builds finished on i386, powerpc, amd64, built firefox and grub on am64, still works for, ok to update (needed for the OOo2 build)?09:23
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mvoping jordi 09:45
dholbachhi mvo09:45
mvohey dholbach 09:46
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jordimvo: pong09:49
fabbionehey pitti09:49
dholbachhai pitti09:50
mvojordi: what's the status of utf-8 and nano? we won't get it before 1.4?09:50
fabbionepitti: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/changelog09:50
jordimvo: no.09:50
jordimvo: HEAD should be more or less there, I believe09:50
jordibut not yet releasable.09:50
jordimvo: if Ubuntu is going to switch editors because of this, it could be enough pressure for the feature to be completed :)09:51
pittifabbione: wow! nice work09:51
fabbionepitti: this is going in later today09:51
fabbionepitti: note that the debian security stuff (without CAN) is in the merge log09:52
Mithrandirfabbione: you are insane. :)09:52
pittifabbione: this already contains all protentially security relevant patches you mentioned?09:52
mvojordi: I'm tempted to ask for a switch because of this 09:52
pittiah, ok09:52
fabbionepitti: yes09:52
fabbioneMithrandir: really?09:52
jordimvo: ugh. dude09:52
Mithrandirfabbione: yeah.  In a good way.09:52
fabbioneMithrandir: i have never noticed it :P09:52
mvojordi: seriously, it's a problem09:52
jordiI know, I know09:52
jordiit wasn't before with latin1 as default.09:53
mvono patches floating around or something (/me hopes)09:53
jordilet me ping the nano list and David.09:53
jordimvo: you've only tried with 1.2, right?09:53
mvojordi: that would be very kind. 09:53
mvoyes, I only tried 1.209:53
jordithe current 1.3 in experimental should be pretty unusable, but there's a patch to fix it a bit.09:53
jordimvo: ok. let me see what I find.09:54
mvoit's 1.3.5?09:54
mvoin experimental?09:54
jordihmm, there's commits in cvs.09:54
jordi- UTF-8 support. [DONE except for edit window text wrapping, help window09:54
jordi  text wrapping, and the NO_CONVERT flag.] 09:54
jordimvo: want me to cook a quick deb based on HEAD?09:54
mvosounds pretty good09:54
mvojordi: let's what what upstream says first, ok?09:55
jordimvo: yah.09:55
jordicreating a deb would take 2 mins tho09:55
mvofeel free (if it really takes only 2 minutes) :)09:55
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jordiyeah, it's quite impressive.09:57
jordiFabio the Great09:57
toresbewhat worries me is that you are severely failing to feel sorry for me09:58
toresbeseeing how i'm sick today09:58
jordimvo: so this is for hoary?09:59
Mithrandirtoresbe: aren't you always sick [by caring that much about so many weird architectures] ?09:59
toresbeMithrandir: well, I'm always mentally sick09:59
toresbeMithrandir: but I have a very soar throat10:00
toresbeIt hurts to breathe10:00
MithrandirI was about to suggest stop, but I guess that's not a good idea10:00
mvojordi: yes, hoary10:00
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mvois there something like pythons os.path.normpath() for the shell?10:21
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Treenaksmvo: basename?10:22
mvoTreenaks: not quite what I want. I want a nice path afterwards even if I feed it with "/lala//lu/x//" -> "/lala/lu/x"10:22
pittimvo: try readlink -f10:24
pittimvo: oh no, you need a real file for this10:24
mvopitti: yes :/10:25
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mvohow do other people deal with building a path from e.g. "$dir/$subdir/$subsub" if the user can specify each of the vars and some will add a trailing "/" ? just ignore that there may be the double "//"?10:28
Mithrandirmvo: remove the trailing /, if you care?10:28
Treenakss#//#/#g ?10:29
Mithrandirmvo: var=${var%/}10:29
pittiTreenaks: you need to do this recursively10:29
Treenakspitti: hmm. yes10:30
mvoMithrandir: this will "/var/lib" -> "/var"? but in this case everything is fine and I don't want the path to change. 10:30
Mithrandirmvo: it will change /var/lib/ to /var/lib10:30
pittimvo: why does it hurt in the first place?10:30
Mithrandirit won't change /var/lib10:30
mvoMithrandir: oh, right10:30
Mithrandir: tfheen@shonap ~ > foo=/var/lib10:31
Mithrandir: tfheen@shonap ~ > echo ${foo%/}10:31
Mithrandir: tfheen@shonap ~ > foo=/var/lib/10:31
Mithrandir: tfheen@shonap ~ > echo ${foo%/}10:31
mvopitti: it does not really hurt, it just does not look nice and I wanted to know how others deal with it and if there is something I missed10:31
pittimvo: if it's a real file, I use readlink -f10:31
mvoMithrandir: thanks10:31
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KamionMithrandir: you don't need to trust the maintainer, .changes files in NEW are readable by developers and have the md5sums :)10:37
svenldaniels: mmm, what did you do to the bug report ? I didn't get it.10:37
svenlKamion: did you have any chance to look at the pegasos yaboot-installer issue ? Or even managed to flash the machine ? 10:38
danielssvenl: just changed the status from NEW (i.e. untouched) to ASSIGNED (meaning that I'll work on it)10:38
MithrandirKamion: true, I forgot about that.10:38
Kamionsvenl: as I said to you, I flashed the machine but then ran into the yaboot-doesn't-boot-from-CD bug; I saw your comment yesterday that yaboot/netboot works fine, so I'm going to try that today10:46
jordimvo: is UTF-8 support necessary for the udeb?10:48
jordimvo: if so, I need to make changes to the packaging, as nano udeb uses SLang10:48
mvojordi: Kamion knowns that better than I do, but I think it is not needed for the udeb (at least not for your testing deb)10:50
jordicompletely untested debs uploading to people.debian.org/~jordi/10:54
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jordimvo: initial testing shows some propblems with scrolling10:56
jordibut display is good.10:57
jordiI'll talk to david. Shouldn't take long to make it good.10:57
mvojordi: thanks, just downloaded10:57
KamionUTF-8 support would be really handy for the udeb; the installer is UTF-8 throughout10:57
jordiKamion: does ubuntu use nano at all during the install?10:58
mvojordi: hrm, it does not let me edit some german umlauts10:58
jordiI guess in expert mode it does10:58
Kamionbut be a bit careful, there's scary libslang-pic packaging there to do with how the initrd is built10:58
jordimvo: what do you mean with edit?10:58
Kamionjordi: nothing to do with expert mode, you can switch to tty2 and use nano10:58
jordiI can insert accents and  or whatever.10:58
jordiKamion: nod10:58
jordiKamion: I can link the udeb with ncursesw or ncurses if it's enough.10:59
Kamionso currently, debian-installer build-depends on slang1-utf8-pic10:59
jordidoes anything else use ncursesw?10:59
Mithrandirdaniels (or any other .au-ians): what's a reasonable .au airline?10:59
Kamionis that enough?10:59
jordiKamion: according to configure, nope, but I can check more carefully.10:59
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mvojordi: when I try to enter certain charackters that are fine in the gnome-terminal and vim (like  <- capital)10:59
Kamionjordi: a new dependency on ncursesw? we'd need to figure out scary library reduction stuff for that11:00
thomMithrandir: internal only? virgin blue or qantas are the two i've used11:00
jordiKamion: if it's not in ubuntu's base system we can look if ncurses is enough11:00
Mithrandirthom: yeah, from Sydney to Canberra for LCA11:00
jordimvo: there's a flagrant byte vs char issue here.11:00
Kamionjordi: no, it's not that; there's no libncurses*-pic so AFAIK library reduction won't work properly; and the contents of Ubuntu's base system are almost entirely irrelevant to what you can assume in the installer11:00
Kamionjordi: I think for hoary maybe best just leave UTF-8 support out of the udeb, we can figure this sort of stuff out later11:01
jordiKamion: ok.11:01
jordithis will be a lot easier once nano 1.4.0 is released I hope.11:02
danielsMithrandir: virginblue.com.au are cheap, qantas.com.au are good (and better if you're connecting from an international flight)11:02
jordiI'll ping Daniel to see what needs to be done.11:02
jordiKamion: is it common to find non-ASCII files when installing?11:02
danielsMithrandir: but Qantas are your only option since Virgin don't fly out of Canberra11:02
jordiI guess the autogenerated fstab might have.11:02
dholbachhi elmo, could you please sync  mindi mondo (both fix an issue reported on the mailing list)  fuse (needed for gmailfs transition)  asc (new one shouldn't have unmet build-deps anymore)  rox-filer conglomerate afterstep (quite a lot of bugfixes) and  fluxbox (security issues)  from sid, pretty please11:02
Mithrandirdaniels: ok, thanks.11:03
MithrandirI _hate_ airline booking systems.  They all suck.11:03
thomMithrandir: yes.11:03
d3vic3Mithrandir, I tend to agree11:03
MithrandirI'm amazed that they manage to suck in more or less the same way.  All of them.11:04
jordiok, nano-tiny with slang has bad utf-8 issues11:04
pittidaniels: here?11:04
svenlKamion: ah, yes, sorry, forgot about that.11:05
svenlKamion: anything i can do for that ? 11:05
Mithrandirthe qantas site wasn't _that_ bad.11:05
Kamionjordi: I was trying to edit UTF-8 files with nano-udeb just yesterday ;)11:05
Kamionjordi: not sure I'd call it "common" though11:05
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pittidaniels: :-)11:06
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MithrandirKamion: I think you're a fairly special use-case. :P11:06
pittiHi seb128 11:06
Kamionsvenl: well, you're already looking at yaboot-from-CD, so apart from that I'll let you know once I get it netbooted :)11:06
elmo[NOT Updating - Modified]  conglomerate_0.7.16-1ubuntu1 (vs 0.9.0-1)11:06
elmo[NOT Updating - Modified]  fuse_1.3-1ubuntu1 (vs 2.2.1-1)11:06
elmodholbach: ok to override?11:06
Kamionin the meantime, time for a DVD test ...11:06
jordiKamion: I see. :)11:06
seb128hey pitti 11:06
dholbachelmo: conglomerate yes11:06
dholbachelmo: will have to check fuse first11:07
Kamionjordi: (specifically I was testing UTF-8 names in /etc/passwd)11:07
seb128hey elmo 11:07
dholbachhi seb128 11:07
seb128elmo: openh323 / pwlib / gnomemeeting sync please :)11:07
Kamionhmmmmm. initial DVD boot not so pretty.11:07
seb128Hi dholbach 11:07
elmo[NOT Updating - Modified]  gnomemeeting_1.2.0-2ubuntu2 (vs 1.2.1-1)11:07
svenlKamion: ok.11:07
elmoseb128: k-to-override?11:08
seb128I'll merge it, thanks for noticing11:08
seb128but I need pwlib and openh323 for that11:08
seb128just pwlib and openh323, thanks11:09
elmoseb128: done11:09
seb128thank you11:09
dholbachelmo: fuse will take me some time11:10
dholbachelmo: thank you :-)11:10
elmodholbach: ok, done all but fuse11:12
dholbachelmo: you rock! thanks a lot :-)11:12
fabbionefuse has some fixes to be able to build with our kenrels11:14
fabbioneand the kernel-image/linux-image changes11:14
fabbionethat's whay i did basically11:14
dholbachfabbione: thanks... i'll check the debdiff of the last two versions11:15
dholbachfabbione: an merge manually11:15
pittielmo: can you please remove mozilla-firefox-locale-{fr,tr} ?11:15
Kamionwhoa, a DVD+RW shows up in parted as writable, so the partitioner offers you the chance to erase it. :)11:16
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pittiseb128: who needs french anyway? :-)11:16
=== seb128 slaps pitti again :p
pittiseb128: no, seriously, we already have -fr-fr from m-f-locale-all11:17
seb128bah, the question is rather11:17
dholbachpitti: we have http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MorgueCandidates for that :-)11:17
seb128who needs firefox ? :p11:17
thomseb128: uh, you do?11:17
seb128who needs firefox translations ? :p11:17
svenlKamion: is todays daily ubuntu installer supposed to work ?11:18
thomseb128: ... especially french ones? :p11:18
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pittithom: ... which nobody understands anyway :-)11:18
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jdubha ha11:24
jduboh man11:24
jdubdholbach: is nicole your girlfriend? :)11:24
dholbachjdub: hahaaaahaaa, she really sent that mail.... she's my ex-girlfriend :-)11:25
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jdubshe obviously still thinks highly of you ;)11:25
dholbachjdub: i think highly of her too11:25
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Kamionsvenl: I haven't tried it yet11:26
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svenlKamion: seems to work, two days ago there where modules problems, but maybe i miscopied the vmlinux or something.11:29
Kamionsvenl: I'm not aware of problems today, although we're about to do another kernel ABI change so it's possible those sneaked in before the CD build or something11:31
svenlKamion: mmm, any chance to get the gigabit ethernet driver fix in for the this new kernel ? 11:32
Kamionsvenl: -> fabbione11:32
fabbionesvenl: if you have the patch handy yes11:32
fabbionebut you have like.. 10 minutes to give it to me11:32
fabbionenothing against the fix but i need to start the build orgy prior upload11:33
Kamiongrr, why does the DVD install want the CD in the second stage?11:34
Kamioner, the DVD, rather11:34
fabbionewrong hack in archive-copier?11:34
Kamiondunno, it seemed to do its job OK11:34
svenlfabbione: get powerpc-mv643xx-enet.dpatch from the debian svn repo, this one went upstream for
fabbionesvenl: from 2.6.10 or 2.6.11?11:35
fabbioneand is it the only one required?11:35
fabbionedoes it build on 2.6.10?11:35
Kamionhmm; it wants gs-gpl.deb11:36
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Kamionoh, and gs.deb11:36
svenlfrom 2.6.1011:36
svenlerr, 2.6.1111:36
thomjdub: you can't have industrial firefox; we're shipping http://people.zeelandnet.nl/marco/pimpzilla/images/pimpzilla.jpg11:36
svenllet me check.11:36
jdubis that the one with the torn paper?11:36
svenlwell, it builds, but the i need to check if the patch applies cleanly.11:37
jduboh yeah, that one11:37
svenlfabbione: then get http://people.debian.org/~luther/powerpc-mv643xx-eth-pegasos.dpatch11:37
dokojdub, kamion, mdz: any word on the gcc-3.4 upload, or did I miss your approval? diff on chinstrap:~doko/gcc-3.4.diff11:38
pittidaniels: you set #7558 (libxpm4) to pending, do you also have warty packages?11:38
jdubdoko: i'll leave that one to mdz11:38
fabbionesvenl: is the patch on people enough or do i need both?11:38
svenlfabbione: the patch is split.11:39
svenlfabbione: powerpc-mv643xx-enet.dpatch is the arch-indep drivers patch that went upstream via dale fornsworth, while the one on p.d.o is the pegasos specific initialization part.11:40
danielspitti: not right now, but I'm going to make them up later tonight11:40
pittiah, ok11:40
svenlfabbione: can you quickly check if it applies, if not let's wait for another time, there is no way i can test this locally in the next 10 minutes, i don't have the source tarball for 2.6.10 here.11:41
svenlfabbione: and no ubuntu chroot or such.11:41
fabbionetesting now11:42
svenlfabbione: also, what about adding the mkvmlinuz support script ?11:42
fabbionesvenl: one thing at a time please11:42
svenlfabbione: ok.11:42
fabbionei already have enouhg stuff boiling on my desktop11:42
svenlfabbione: ok, no problem, just asking, altough the mkvmlinuz support is just to copy one file to kernel-source/debian prior to make-kpkg kernel-image, but this can wait for later.11:43
fabbionesvenl: just a second please.. i can even add it, but i need to focus on it...11:43
fabbionejusst gimme a few secs11:44
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svenlfabbione: no problem.11:44
fabbionesvenl: it applies... but noidea if 1) compiles 2) works11:47
fabbionewhat is the patch supposed to do? fix the driver? or is it just an enanchment?11:48
mvoping jdub11:50
Mithrandirelmo: sorry to nag you, but could you un-PaS ooo-amd64 for ia64 and tvtime for amd64?11:51
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fabbionesvenl: ok we will keep this changes for the next upoad (given that they won't destroy the ABI)11:52
elmoMithrandir: done11:53
Mithrandirelmo: thanks a lot11:53
MithrandirKamion: ooo-amd64 should be a happy badger on ia64 now.11:54
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danielsaj: badgerbadgerbadgerbadger11:56
Kamionhooray, thanks11:56
elmoaj: it should really be called ooo-32bitlibsfor64bitarches11:56
elmoor something11:56
Kamiondamn, no caps in package names11:57
danielseither that, or just assume that it's because the ia64 really wants to be an amd64 when it grows up11:57
ajdaniels: oo, bendy?11:57
danielsaj: grumble11:57
Mithrandirdaniels: *chuckle*11:57
ajmaybe that could be the t-shirt prize at this lca, pick a name for ubuntu's next release11:57
Treenaksdaniels: ooo-izgtkboog11:58
jordidaniels: I like this one.11:58
jordiTreenaks: in the end, it's thom's fault.11:58
Treenaksjordi: as always11:58
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ajelmo: yes, you're right, mail to mark is the way to suggest this, not mentioning it on irc!11:59
svenlfabbione: fix the driver, ok for the next upload, any idea when it will be ? 12:00
jdubmvo: pong12:01
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fabbionesvenl: not really... but i can start testing immediatly after this upload12:01
svenlfabbione: ok.12:01
fabbionesvenl: i have the patches here.. if you update them, please let me know12:01
svenlfabbione: i will let you know.12:01
svenlfabbione: what about mkvmlinuz stuff ?12:02
fabbionesvenl: let's make it for the next upload too12:02
fabbioneso we can test everything12:02
fabbioneit makes me feel unconfortable to make changes now that i have been nuilding this kernel for 5 days12:02
fabbionesvenl: if the changes are ok (no ABI breakage) i can upload the next kernel even tomorrow12:03
fabbionethat's not a problem12:04
fabbionebut i can't spend too much time today on it12:04
Treenaksfabbione: have a look at #7651 as well then (microscopic fix for a panic)12:04
fabbioneTreenaks: please remind me later or tomorrow12:05
Treenaksfabbione: ok12:05
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svenlfabbione: ok, fine with me.12:09
svenlfabbione: the changes are not touching the ABI, to my knolwedge, but please check.12:09
fabbionesvenl: yes i will12:10
jordido you guys expect sabdl to come to IRC sometime this morning?12:10
jordisabdfl, even12:10
fabbionejordi: he was here this mornign12:11
jordifabbione: bah, missed him then12:11
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fabbioneKamion: are you still around?12:18
fabbionei forgot to ask you something...12:18
fabbione  * Fix hppa FTBFS:12:18
fabbione    - Remove debian/d-i/hppa/modules/hppa/nfs-modules.lnk since all nfs is12:18
fabbione      compiled in.12:18
fabbionedo i need to make kernel-image Provides: nfs-modules?12:19
dholbachseb128: openh323 seems to deserve a kick, because it depended on newly built pwlib, or am i wrong?12:21
seb128dholbach: lemme me check, you are reading the build logs every 5 min or what ? :)12:26
seb128dholbach: are you sure it's not in dep-wait ?12:26
dholbachseb128: it didnt build first, but now it seems to be alright12:27
dholbachseb128: i'm waiting for them to build, to get  t38modem ohphone asterisk openam openmcu gnugk  synced ;-)12:28
sladenKamion: what's your take on a simplied ''bash completions'' one that just handles sudo/su re-handoff12:30
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fabbionesladen: yeah... once a year12:33
fabbioneyou are lucky that UDU is pretty soon ;)12:33
d3vic3lol 12:33
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pittid3vic3: why, he will never block the shower :-)12:34
d3vic3pitti, heh, thats the problem 12:35
pittigosh, bugzilla sucks through a slow link12:35
daniels  2005-03-15 Alan Hourihane <alanh@fairlite.demon.co.uk>12:36
daniels        * programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/drivers/i810/i830_driver.c12:36
daniels        * programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/drivers/i810/i830_modes.c12:36
daniels        Enforce DDC monitor ranges usage if we have them and reject bad12:36
daniels        modes. Use NoDDC option to override DDC timings. We currently12:36
daniels        only use DS_RANGES, but could use other DDC information, as does12:36
daniels        the common layer, to deduce the h/v ranges.12:36
sladenpitti: that'll be the SSL12:37
pittisladen: I rather think it might be the huuuuuge package list that is delivered with each page?12:37
daniels'we could actually make this driver halfway useful.  but we're not.'12:37
sladenpitti: oh yes, that too.  that could really do with being switched to a Google-suggest RPC requestion leetness12:38
thomsladen: patches... ;-)12:39
Mithrandirpitti: it's not huge, it's 2-300k. :)12:40
pittiMithrandir: it's huge if you download this with a 56 kbps link12:40
pittiMithrandir: my main network is down :-(12:40
thom2-300k of uncacheable, uncompressable joy12:40
danielsmjg59: with a little bit of tweaking, this could rescue i8xx acpi/dri for hoary12:41
danielsthom: fsvo 'joy'12:41
Mithrandirthom: it can be cached.12:41
danielspitti: now you see why I complained so much while I was on dialup12:41
Mithrandirjust set browser.cache.disk_cache_ssl to true12:41
Mithrandirin FF12:41
thomMithrandir: nope, it's ssl, browser won't cache by default12:41
Mithrandirthom: "by default".  User can change it. :)12:41
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pittidaniels: I feel with you12:42
=== thom wonders whether this will fix firefox bidi crap
mjg59daniels: Mm?12:42
pittidaniels: this bastard of admin went to holidays without giving anybody the passwords. *grrrrr*12:42
mjg59daniels: Oh, shit. That means Do the DRM patch, doesn't it?12:42
danielsmjg59: possibly make i830 usable for desktops -> not booting the HEAD code out12:43
danielsmjg59: you know what time it is12:43
mjg59Time for me to write my GUADEC paper, do a submission for Debconf, write code for work, do 3 hours of teaching, tell my landlord that we're not paying a bill, organise travel to .au and, uhm?12:44
thommjg59: what should we do with swap after a busted hibernate? is unconditional mkswap towards the end of rcS or so reasonable? 12:44
danielsmjg59: yeah, I've still got my LCA paper. :\12:44
mjg59thom: I talked to jbailey about this - make the mkswap conditional on there being a swsusp header12:44
sladenmmm, that completion list could be cut in 1/3rd just by storing it more efficently12:46
Mithrandirsladen: gzip JS decoder?12:47
sladenMithrandir: hahah.  Nope, it's sending both indexs;   a[123]  = "foo";  b["foo"]  = 123;  except that 'a' and 'b' are both 15 characters long and indented;  and the email address is being send (when most are duplicated)12:49
Mithrandirsladen: sounds wasted, yes.12:50
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sladengrep physical.id | sort -u ?12:51
svenlMmm, what is the "starting periodic command scheduler" supposed to do ? 12:53
Mithrandirsvenl: cron?12:53
svenlMithrandir: any particular reason why the post-install boot should die at this point (true, i had to hard-reboot it because of missing input but still).12:54
Mithrandirsvenl: no, not really.  PPc?12:55
svenlMithrandir: yep.12:55
Mithrandiryou don't have noapic and friends, then?12:55
svenlits sitting there since a couple of minutes.12:56
svenlok, i will reinstall, just to be sure i didn't hose something.12:56
svenlMithrandir: no, none of this stuff.12:56
svenlMithrandir: it used to work earlier even.12:56
Mithrandirunsure, then12:56
svenlctr-alt-del brings the box down, so its not dead.12:57
thomi'd love to know where people come up with the numbers of ubuntu staff12:57
Mithrandirthom: oh?12:57
thomMithrandir: http://www.grep.be/blog/2005/03/15#release_meeting_retort in this case12:58
sladenit gets better!  Aswell as the 659kB file, there's a 295kB .js with a duplicate set of data too12:58
sladen1MB per refresh. r.12:58
dholbachelmo: could you please sync  t38modem ohphone zaptel openam openmcu gnugk ?12:59
Mithrandirthom: actually, somebody posted ~30 in the big flame thread.12:59
Mithrandirthom: somebody interpreted that as "30 DDs working 24/7 working on ubuntu" rather than "30 canonical employees"01:00
danielsMithrandir: someone -> keybuk01:00
danielswhich is slightly frustrating; canonical has more than 30 employees, and the distro team certainly doesn't have anywhere near 3001:00
jdubMithrandir: ha ha ha 30!01:00
Kamionfabbione: yes, provides: nfs-modules would be good for correctness01:01
svenlI think someone official from canonical/ubuntu cited 36 somewhere public recently.01:01
Kamionfabbione: not critical, but good :)01:01
fabbioneKamion: roger that.. done :-)01:01
elmodholbach: done01:02
thomsvenl: that's total canonical staff, which is utterly not the same thing01:02
jduband it's not even correct01:02
Kamionsvenl: doesn't sound too far off; but again, that's all of Canonical, only about 15 of those work on Ubuntu01:03
jdubwe're closer to 5001:03
Kamion50 now? wow01:03
ograDDs ?01:03
Kamionogra: the majority, but not all01:03
Kamionogra: majority of those working on Ubuntu, that is01:03
Kamionnot the majority of Canonical staff01:03
ograthats what i thought01:03
svenlthom: well, i am just saying where i believe the idea comes from.01:04
dholbachelmo: you rock!01:04
svenlKamion: but then you have to count the whole lot of people who work on ubuntu without working for ubuntu -> non-full-time-employees and such.01:04
elmodholbach: dude, syncs are insanely easy - you should really be less grateful :)01:04
Kamionsvenl: sure, but those are equivalent to the people working on Debian in the same way01:04
Kamionand there are many fewer people working for Ubuntu like that; it's, what, 10, 20?01:05
svenlKamion: the main problem is one of comunication, i personally know more about ubuntu now that a couple of month ago, but i am still not confortable with the whole thing, and i bet many others may feel the same way.01:05
mvoelmo: we'll need to sync nessus-plugins soon from debian because upstream claims our version is not redistributable (not now, still wait for a mail from him)01:06
jdubKamion: although being MASTERS OF THE UNIVERSE, they count for like, three people each.01:06
svenlKamion: i think the main problem is the high amount of debian high profile folk working fulltime for ubuntu or something, and especially those in the 'not-enough-time' position to fullfill their debian roles, i don't say this is rational, but this is what i feel the feeling at large are to some degree.01:06
dholbachelmo: i _am_ grateful: look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseUnmetDeps - i'm absolutely happy for every entry we can kick from it :-)01:07
Kamionsvenl: for somebody who isn't saying it's rational, you do seem to be mentioning it more than anyone else ... :-)01:07
svenlKamion: because it may not be fully rational doesn't mean we don't feel like it.01:08
dholbachjdub: woohoo!01:08
danielssvenl: in that case, it probably doesn't help to go around repeating it01:08
ograjdub, yay01:09
svenlKamion: bah, let's go back to work instead, already lost enough time with yesterday's craziness.01:09
Kamiondaniels: #7664> I wonder if I can come up with a way to allow d-i components to request packages to be installed by base-config01:09
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Kamiondaniels: but thanks, that should solve it01:09
jbaileythom: #746301:10
danielsKamion: mmm ... yeah01:10
danielsKamion: it was either an undeclared dep or stupid package placement in any case (fwiw, it was the latter)01:11
Kamiondaniels: ok, if you could put a note in that bug when it's sorted, I'll retest and see if that fixes Greek installs; it was a bit subtle so I'm not entirely sure I can pin it down to just one thing01:14
danielsKamion: yeah, should be uploaded tonight01:14
svenlKamion: BTW, what is with this failure to detect that there is no keyboard when using the serial console ? 01:14
Kamionalthough I guess I could comment out the unifont installation and see if that fixes it ... will try that noe01:14
Kamionsvenl: not familiar with that issue01:14
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thomjbailey: thanks01:15
svenlKamion: the keyboard dialog comes up, and you get asked about three choices. continuing without keyboard fails, asking to detect keyboard with a few keystrokes makes the whole thing continue as it should.01:15
Kamionsvenl: oh, I blame smurfix :)01:15
KamionI don't think his new keyboard selector has been tested on serial console much at all01:16
Kamionkbd-chooser bug would be good01:16
svenlok, will do so at next install, so i have the real message under the eye.01:16
herziseb128: ping01:16
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Kamionsvenl: cool, thanks01:17
svenlherzi: you asked me about pegasos support earlier.01:18
svenlherzi: do you want the OF upgrade that allows to try an installation with yaboot ? 01:18
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herzisvenl: yes, but i won't upgrade/install the pegasos now as my other production system went to the vendor yesterday (no image anymore with any graphics device) and I don't plan to break my last production system too01:20
seb128herzi: pong01:20
herziseb128: 768601:21
herzithis one seems to be an easy fix01:21
svenlherzi: ok, tell me when you are ready for it and i will send it to you.01:21
seb128herzi: I'll have a look thanks01:21
herzisvenl: i guess we're talking about 4 weeks01:22
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blawkheya folks01:23
danielsmjg59: rock.  this is entirely doable.01:23
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seb128herzi: 01:31
seb128$ find gnome-doc-utils-0.1.3/ -name "*template*"01:31
KamionMithrandir: OOo restored to ia64 desktop01:32
MithrandirKamion: I guess t-bone is happy, then.01:32
Kamionsladen: no opinion really, guess it seems reasonable as long as it cooperates with the normal completion file01:39
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Nafallofabbione: ping?01:43
Nafallofabbione: would it be usefull to drop mplayer-custom and make mplayer-nogui on all arches with only INDEP?01:44
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fabbioneNafallo: i am not working on mplayer right now. i have more important things to do01:45
Nafallofabbione: oki.01:45
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pittifabbione: ?01:46
fabbionenot another glibc update!01:46
pittifabbione: as always, this will be the really last one :-)01:46
fabbioneyou are killing my buildd :-)01:46
NafalloI asked more of the reason that I would like to work on it. But only if people here liked that idea to happen.01:46
fabbioneNafallo: if you want to work on it, go ahead01:47
fabbionei have nothing against it01:47
dholbachelmo: and if you now please could sync  asterisk and pstngw  i'd be happy for the rest of the day :-)01:47
Nafallofabbione: oki. -custom gets deprecated then :-)01:47
fabbionewhen i enabled amd64/ppc build on saturday i was just bored01:47
fabbionemake sure to fix the ppc FTBFS01:48
Nafallofabbione: I'll try. I haven't got that ARCH to test on :-/.01:49
fabbioneneither do i01:49
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jbaileypitti: Err, I have a bug against glibc that mdz assigned to me yesterday that he wants fixed...  So possibly one more. =)01:51
pittijbailey: D'oh, I uploaded ten minutes ago...01:51
jbaileypitti: I haven't triaged this at all, sorry.01:51
pittiah, ok01:51
ograNafallo, for a start you shoud apply for MOTU if you want to help with that01:52
Nafalloogra: mplayer is in multiverse still, no? :-)01:53
ograNafallo, yup01:53
ograNafallo, thats why i said that :)01:53
Nafalloogra: I've found something to study that includes FOSS-development. I want to learn to fix things before taking on any responsibility for those stuff :-).01:55
Kamionelmo: is adare down?01:55
thomsivang: around?01:55
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thom(or any other hebrew reader)01:55
Nafalloogra: you /will/ get to see my as a MOTU most likely, but when I feel I can grook that :-).01:55
ograNafallo, yay, great :)01:56
thomsivang: is http://people.ubuntu.com/~thom/firefox-hebrew-current.png rendered the right way round?01:57
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tsengelmo: can you sync gtkpod 0.88-1 please02:03
danielsit looks like we're actually going to support every i8xx device out of the box in hoary.02:04
tsengnew patch?02:04
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danielstseng: new patches + new ideas02:05
tsengrock on02:05
fabbioneNeed to get 0B/47,0MB of source archives.02:08
fabbionel-r-m is bloating at speed light02:08
danielsyeah, fglrx is growing by about 20mb every release, i swear02:09
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fabbionedoko: davis has done.02:15
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ogradaniels, is there a tool to get the currently running display frequency ? from xdpyinfo i can only get size and depth....02:19
dokofabbione: thanks02:19
ogradaniels, (i need this info for hwdb client)02:20
fabbioneogra: probably you can grab them either via libxf86vm02:20
fabbioneor from the log02:20
fabbionei don't think there is too much exposure of these info to "userland"02:20
ograhmm, the log is a good idea...i have it already in a variable....02:21
fabbionesince nobody, other than the server and user, cares02:21
ograhmm, probably the monitor too ;)02:21
fabbionewell clearly02:21
thomccache is the single best invention of the millenium02:24
fabbionethom: it is buggy tho02:25
thomi care not; it works for firefox for me02:25
fabbioneit tends to deadlock when you build with -j$oddnumber02:25
fabbionespecially on ppc02:25
Treenaksfabbione: build with -j$evennumber then02:27
fabbioneTreenaks: that's boring02:28
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smurfixsvenl: Gah. Can you reproduce the thing without a serial console?02:37
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zulhey Treenaks 02:38
dholbachhai zul02:39
zulhey dholbach 02:39
thomfirefox 1.0.1 uploading, y'all have a nice day now02:39
dholbachthom: you rock so hard!02:39
thom1.0.1 really is very boring *shrug*02:40
dholbachboring in what sense?02:40
Treenaksthom: it will make ubuntu more leet!02:40
dholbachno funny memory leaks anymore?02:40
thomin that it fixes some security problems, most of which we'd already fixed, and thats about it02:40
thom1.1 is the interesting one, but the schedule for that is that it releases sometime around the same time we release hoary02:42
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dholbachwhat about firefox_1.0.1.really.is.CVS-1.1? ;-)02:43
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Mithrandirdholbach: wrooooong!02:43
thomuh, no :-)02:43
Treenakswhat's it with huge C++ projects and huge memory leaks going hand in hand? :P02:44
dholbachdunno if that's c++ specific02:44
Treenaksdholbach: well, gnome has some leaks, but not really major afaik02:45
Treenaksdholbach: and they're working on it for .1202:45
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MithrandirTreenaks: you mean stuff like FF eating some hundred megs of ram?02:45
TreenaksMithrandir: multiple hundreds, yes02:45
thomdholbach: http://www.mozilla.org/projects/firefox/roadmap.html02:46
TreenaksAdobe Reader 7.0 for Linux is "final"02:46
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tsengdholbach: evince++02:47
dholbachtseng: yeah02:47
zulwell its still better than xpdf02:47
dholbachthom: oh i see... yes02:47
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pittiHi again02:53
thompitti: how are you coping in bugzilla with bugs that only affect warty?02:54
thom(ie, how do you mark them?)02:54
pittithom: if we need to fix them, I don't know better than just writing this fact into a comment02:54
pittithom: if hoary is already fixed, you could set the Target Milestone02:54
trukuloTreenaks, where is adobe 7.0 "final" ?02:55
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Treenakstrukulo: ftp://ftp.adobe.com/pub/adobe/reader/unix/7x/7.0/enu/02:55
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dholbachtrukulo: should be in the trash can finally :-)02:55
trukulodholbach, sure :) but wanna see it first02:56
dholbachtrukulo: it won't be good for your eyes though02:56
trukulodholbach, probably, but here ppl use very strange things in pdf02:57
dholbachi can imagine02:57
thompitti: well, waiting for the fricking tarball to go up, yeah02:57
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thomhrm, that's quite neat. search results that don't match the regexp ^\[warty\] 03:15
thombugzilla isn't all awfull03:15
pittidredg: new upstream version?03:16
dredgpitti: yes03:16
dredgpitti: there are a number of holes in the current ubuntu version03:16
pittidredg: yes, I read about them03:16
dredgthese are fixed in the current debian unstable package03:16
pittidredg: it's amazing how many holes this software has, it's more like a network :-)03:16
dredgpitti: i know :-/ it's pretty frightening03:17
pittidredg: I'm fine with a sync, but mdz should confir03:17
dredgi wonder if secunia have a "most hole ridden oftware" award03:17
dredgpitti: sure.03:17
pittidredg: oh, ethereal could make rank #1, too :-)03:18
fabbionenew kernel is ACCEPTED03:18
pittifabbione: thanks03:18
pittifabbione: just released the Warty kenrel03:18
fabbionepitti: no problem.03:18
fabbionei am waiting for the kernel to build to release l-r-m03:18
pittifabbione: btw, this API break checker sounds really interesting :-)03:18
pittiyay for ffox 1.0.103:19
tsengoh rock on thom 03:19
fabbionepitti: it will save us from embarassing situation like breaking external modules03:20
thommozilla-firefox_1.0.1-2ubuntu1_source.changes ACCEPTED03:20
fabbionebut it is still semi-automatic03:20
fabbionea lot of work needs to be done manually03:20
pittifabbione: does it reliably work or is it more like a heuristics?03:20
fabbioneit works03:20
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pittineat, also for future Hoary security update03:21
fabbionegiven that: 1) you feed him proper data 2) you don't enable the overrides03:21
pittifabbione: how does it work, is the build FTBFS if it breaks the ABI without bumping?03:21
fabbionepitti: this is the only reason why it has been added pre-hoary03:21
fabbionepitti: correct.. check out the code from baz03:21
fabbionepitti: because security is all your...03:21
fabbioneyou need to get used to it.. not me :)03:22
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ogradildo ?03:25
pittiogra: <fabbione> pitti: because security is all your...03:25
dholbachfabbione surely has some ideas for it03:25
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pittiHey Keybuk03:25
fabbionewe will see pitti going around with a huge condom all over his body03:26
ograpitti: dholbach wonders what the security team's t-shirt will look like ;-P03:26
fabbionethis is security :-)03:26
pittiKeybuk: look behind! a three-headed Replaces: bug03:26
Keybukpitti: it's ok, it'll eat you, not me :p03:26
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tsengwhat happened to the talk of syncing dbus 0.23.103:39
HiddenWolfholy j; that kernel changelog is massive03:40
zulHiddenWolf: isnt it :)03:41
HiddenWolfwhat did you guys do, take a shot at linux 3.0? ;)03:41
zulnah, security fixes, and re-sync with debian03:42
Treenaksapparently, some people do care about stability :)03:42
kentIs some one Lamont Jones here? I just saw from bugzilla that he added "kernel-bugs@lists.ubuntucom" to the inotify-bug, which i think lacks a ".com"  :)03:43
Kamionkent: that would be lamont03:43
HiddenWolflots of security fixes; holy hell.03:43
Mithrandirkent: bug #?03:43
zulkent: ill fix it wheich number03:43
HiddenWolfkent; it just misses the .03:43
kentzul, Kamion Mithrandir 543103:43
Mithrandirzul: you'll fix it?03:44
ccin the LiveCD, where do I configure the firefox startpage ?03:44
Treenakscc: edit -> preferences?03:44
zulfixed already looks like it in the q-a contact kent03:45
ccTreenaks: no, i'm trying to cook my own LiveCD. so i want it as a default preference03:45
Treenakscc: /etc/mozilla-firefox/pref/firefox.js ?03:45
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kentzul, Well I just saw what looked like a typo, and have not got a new mail from that bug so I thought perhaps it was not fixed. Did I miss something?03:46
zulkent: it has the "." in the q-a contact03:46
zulkent: kernel-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com03:47
kentzul, ok. I just read the mail I got from bugzilla and there, under Added, it says "kernel-bugs@lists.ubuntucom". Perhaps bugzilla reports wrong then? Or is it fixed in bugzilla it self, so i got not new message about it?  Just curius :)  (and yes, i dont know how to spell that, haha)  :)03:49
zulkent: not sure maybe it was a hiccup03:49
amucc: you've to change the source of it 03:50
ccamu: yes, thanks. i just did03:51
ogra_awayhmm, from the topic of #ubuntu: nvidia is broken in hoary with kernel 2.6.10-2603:51
ogra_awayisnt that a bit obsolete ?03:51
zuloh yes03:51
zulits fixed in -2703:51
ogra_awaybecaue people starting to compile their ati drivers based on this info :-P03:51
ogra_awaybecause even03:51
zulif they havent upgraded from -26 then its still broken its been fixed in -27 and above03:52
ogra_awayso someone with access should change it i guess03:52
evarlastwhat is the prefered way to file a bug on a package?03:53
evarlastfor a universe package?03:54
evarlastdebians bugzilla?03:54
ogra_awayevarlast, ubuntu-users mailing list 03:54
evarlastto file a bug?03:54
evarlasthrm.  I'll have to subscribe?03:54
tsengwe are working on a universe bug tracker03:54
dholbachuntil we have  http://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone03:54
tsengbut its not ready for general use.03:54
evarlasthrm, ok.03:55
dholbachok everyone... see you later *wave*03:55
ogra_awayevarlast, btw, which package ?03:55
evarlastit should depend on libsocks4 but it does not.03:55
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fabbioneKamion: both kernel and l-r-m are up.. we only need to wait for the binaries04:08
Kamionfabbione: yep, I've just seeded the udebs04:08
fabbionewe miss linux-meta.. don't we?04:08
fabbioneand elmo to promote the bins04:09
fabbione(+ bless them with NEW)04:09
fabbionei am off for 30 minutes...04:10
KamionI have a debian-installer upload ready04:10
fabbionei need a little break04:10
fabbionei think we could actually automate all this mess with a queue04:10
fabbionewhere we stock all the sources04:11
fabbioneand it will start uploading the kernel04:11
fabbionewait 2 hours04:11
fabbioneupload l-r-m04:11
fabbionewait 30 minutes04:11
fabbioneand so on....04:11
fabbioneseed in the meanwhile04:11
fabbionekick elmo or katie or any of elmo's gf04:11
fabbionewell later :-)04:11
Kamionwe've kind of got the hang of it, though :)04:11
thomwoop, i fixored the hebrew madness04:15
HiddenWolfthom: are the palestians safe now?04:23
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zulno politics here :)04:25
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HiddenWolfSorry zul, couldn't resist this one04:25
smurfixDoes anybody know where /usr/share/omf/upx-ucl-beta/upx-ucl-beta-C.omf comes from?04:29
svenlsmurfix: yes, sure.04:32
smurfixsvenl: It's a malformed XML file.:-/04:33
jbaileyAnyone here got a sata_via machine?  Looks like another bug...04:35
thomsmurfix: interesting; it's probably generated by doc-base so there's a bug somewhere04:35
thomjbailey: sure04:35
smurfixthom: The "&" character isn't escaped.04:35
smurfixthom: I'll look at it.04:36
svenlsmurfix: anything i can do to help ? 04:36
thomsmurfix: hrm, i'm pretty sure i'd fixed that04:36
mvoKamion: can we do a ntpdate in the installer early? comment #3 in #7536 asks for this04:36
jbaileythom: 7630 looks like in order to see the pata cdrom drive, that ide-generic has to be loaded after everything but isn't.  Do you see the same thing?04:37
thomsmurfix: oh, no04:37
thomi'll fix now04:37
Kamionjbailey: yes, I have a sata_via; I think the CD-ROM drive is just ATAPI though04:37
KamionI don't see that bug04:37
smurfixthom: OK, I'll not look at it then. ;-)04:37
Kamionmvo: bah, thought I'd worked around that bug in d-i, didn't realise ubuntu-keyring also cared04:38
jbaileyKamion: Thanks.04:38
mvoKamion: I fixed ubuntu-keyring04:38
Kamionmvo: it's hard, because ntpdate isn't available at the right times04:38
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smurfixKamion: Hmm, do I build an ntpdate-udeb for that, or would it be too late anyway?04:39
Kamionsmurfix: I think that's the only possible option, but TBH I think it's OK for ubuntu-keyring to just use the GPG option to ignore clock problems04:40
Kamionas I think mvo has done04:40
thomjbailey: my /etc/modules contains ide_generic already; i'll try rebooting without that and see what happens04:40
jbaileythom: Thanks.04:40
thom(after firefox finished building ;-) )04:41
Kamionsmurfix: and, as the bug reporter says, it should be made to work even if the network isn't up04:41
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jbaileythom: No worries.  =)04:41
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Kamionhah, two bugs in a row where I know the reporters in person04:42
smurfixKamion: It might make sense to have a sane clock while you're installing, but ... it's something to add post-Hoary I'd say.04:42
Kamionsmurfix: very little cares, I think gpg is the only thing that's cared so far04:43
svenlmm, i did a clean install, and it dies in Starting periodic command scheduler still :/04:44
smurfixKamion: I managed to do that once. Directory mod times somewhen in 2008. Oh well. ;-)04:44
svenlKamion: how can you specify an initrd= argument in yaboot's command line ? 04:46
svenljbailey: notice that yaboot doesn't have grub2's big initrd size problem.04:46
Mithrandiryay, hotplug has been running for six minutes now.04:47
Kamionsvenl: you can't04:47
Kamionsvenl: initrd booting with yaboot requires a yaboot.conf04:47
jbaileysvenl: Last I checked, yaboot couldn't load an initrd at all on the pegasos.04:47
svenlKamion: figured so. Is there a way to disable the quiet thingy online to see why it dies in the periodic command scheduler ? It didn't do that last week.04:49
svenljbailey: ah, you need a new OF upgrade.04:49
svenljbailey: email address ? 04:49
jbaileysvenl: Then perhaps grub2 will work then too?  Who knows.  Marco thinks that there shouldn't be any limitations and was suspecting an OF bug.04:49
jbaileysvenl: jbailey@ubuntu.com  Is this the one that ate someone's motherboard?04:50
svenljbailey: what i mean by that is that it is probably a grub2 problem in how it allocates memory, not an OF bug.04:50
Mithrandirimpressive.  /etc/init.d/hotplug start takes about 13 minutes to run on this dual 2.2GHz opteron system.04:50
thomsmurfix: uploaded04:50
Kamionsvenl: mm, I guess I'd edit /target/etc/yaboot.conf before the reboot04:50
jbaileyMithrandir: Ouch.  Does it take that long on a restart?04:50
svenlKamion: mmm, problem is i already rebooted.04:51
Mithrandirjbailey: it takes a fair amount of time at least04:51
svenlKamion: maybe booting in single user will drop me to a shell before that.04:51
Kamionshould really add a recovery mode to the generated yaboot.conf04:51
Kamionsvenl: boot with init=/bin/sh04:51
svenlKamion: maybe booting in single user will drop me to a shell before that.04:52
svenlyeah, that is an option too.04:52
jbaileyMithrandir: Wait, you said this is warty's hotplug, right?  Is it worth fixing?04:52
Mithrandirjbailey: it's warty's hotplug, yes.04:52
Mithrandirjbailey: it's fixed in hoary.04:52
Mithrandirso I'm just going to upgrade04:53
svenlKamion: if i did do that, i probabl would have no keyboard driver or something such.04:53
svenlDamn, removing quiet doesn't help, i guess i need to remove splash too.04:53
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Mitariohi everyone04:54
Mitariomvo, we got cvs.gnome.org aproval :)04:54
Mitariomvo, hi btw ;-)04:55
Kamionsvenl: hotplug-in-initramfs will fix that I think, but not for hoary ...04:55
Kamionsvenl: single-user mode should get you a shell before cron startup, though, yes04:55
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Kamionsvenl: removing quiet won't help, the init script output stuff is not controlled by either04:55
mvoMitario: that's good news, cool!04:55
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fabbioneKamion: amd64 is all done (and the only one)04:57
pitti<bitch>why not arch.gnome.org? </bitch>04:59
lamontkent: gah!05:00
svenlKamion: mmm, why doesn't booting with 's' ask for the root password, is this not a security hole ? 05:00
lamontzul: it's a _BUNCH_ of them.05:00
fabbionehey lamont 05:00
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fabbionelamont: can you check if ppc and i386 are building the kernel?05:01
fabbionethey are taking longer than usual....05:01
jbaileysvenl: If you have console access, all bets are off, but in general, there is no set root password.05:01
fabbioneprobably they hit a buildd with no ccache05:01
lamontfabbione: checking05:01
jbaileysvenl: All best are off security-wise that is.05:02
svenljbailey: console access ? you mean ubuntu is useless for unattended machines, right ? 05:02
lamontfabbione: royal (ppc) is just finishing, i386 has a ways to go05:02
fabbionelamont: cool, thanks05:02
fabbionelamont: i know.. see /topic on #u-k :-)05:02
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pittithom: can I please have libreadline4-dev in hoary-dchroot on davis?05:03
jbaileysvenl: No, as in if you have physical access to a machine, something as flimsy as a root password isn't going to stop you from doing what you want to it.05:03
svenljbailey: well, ...05:03
HiddenWolfjbailey: it's still good practice to ask for it.05:03
svenlanyway, why would /etc/init.d/cron hang ?05:03
svenlormaybe the stuff after it is hanging :/05:04
svenlmmm, the next one would be rmnologin.05:05
zullamont: bitch bitch bitch :)05:06
svenlnope, breaks.05:06
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svenlKamion: when did you do a new install last ? 05:07
Kamionsvenl,HiddenWolf: booting with init=/bin/sh doesn't ask you for the root password either, which is not Ubuntu-specific; if you have an unattended machine you need better measures than a root password, such as a BIOS (or equivalent) password, or physical locks05:07
Kamionsvenl: about ten minutes ago05:07
thomjbailey: confirmed05:08
svenlKamion: and it worked fine for you ? 05:08
Kamionsvenl: yep, i386 install05:08
svenlKamion: true, just surprising.05:08
svenlKamion: what about x86 ? 05:08
thomjbailey: with no ide-generic i see no pata devices at all05:08
Kamionit was an i386 install that worked fine for me; just giving information05:08
svenlhere it dies in crontab on entering runlevel 2. doing /etc/init.d/cron start in single user worked fine.05:08
svenlKamion: what about ppc, i mean.05:09
jbaileythom: Can you tell me what's in /proc/ide ?05:09
Kamionsvenl: haven't tried powerpc yet today05:09
KamionI'm burning the powerpc daily now05:10
svenlmmm, i put an exit in /etc/init.d/cron, and it stops at the deffered command scheduler, strange.05:10
Kamionis this pegasos? serial console?05:11
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svenlpeg, normal console.05:11
Kamionhmmmmm. configuring timezone on live CD considered interesting.05:12
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zulhey mdz 05:25
fabbionemorning mdz05:25
seb128hi mdz 05:25
thomhey mdz05:26
mdzMithrandir, elmo: I most certainly did not say to change the version number; in fact I explicitly said that the .dsc and .diff.gz should be identical05:26
Mithrandirmdz: yes, which is what happened here.05:27
Mithrandirmdz: I just edited the changes file.05:27
mdzMithrandir: where did the ubuntu version number come from?05:28
Mithrandirmdz: what ubuntu version number?05:28
mdzoh, I misread what elmo said05:28
Mithrandir: tfheen@vawad ~ > apt-cache show mcelog | grep ^Version05:28
MithrandirVersion: 0.3-105:28
Mithrandiroh, ok05:29
svenlKamion: please confirm to me that your install worked on ppc once you did it, ok ? 05:31
KamionTFTP error 2: Access violation05:33
svenlKamion: you are using tftpboot ? 05:34
Kamionmaybe it wants yaboot.conf in /05:34
Kamionsvenl: yeah05:34
svenlKamion: err, tftpd.05:34
svenluse atftpd instead.05:34
Kamioncan I use tftpd-hpa with a different root directory?05:34
svenlah, don't know about tftpd-hpa variant, but plain tftpd has this idea about searching absolute names in / and not in /tftpboot like it is told.05:35
Kamionright, it's configurable in -hpa at least05:35
svenlmaybe just remove all leading / to make them relative names will fix this.05:35
KamionI have it set to / by default for i386, but ...05:35
KamionI'll try that but I think it's still looking for yaboot.conf05:35
svenlKamion: i don't know for -hpa, but plain tftpd didn't respect me saying it should look in /tftpboot.05:36
svenlKamion: look at your syslog to see what tftpd tried to serve ?05:36
mdzdoko: libstdc++6 -> libstdc++60?05:36
Kamionsvenl: it's looking for /etc/yaboot.conf (!)05:36
svenlKamion: yep, but in /etc, not in /tftpboot/etc/yaboot.conf.05:37
Kamioneven so :)05:37
svenlKamion: install atftpd instead, works much better.05:37
Kamion       -s     Change  root  directory on startup.05:38
KamionI'll use that option, then I don't have to have different tftp daemons to cope with different architectures05:38
svenlKamion: i know, it is configured in /etc/inetd.conf, but it fails to respect the configuration.05:38
jbaileythom: fabbione says that the -28 kernel has some sata fixes that might solve this in another way.05:39
svenlKamion: maybe i should chop off the leading / in the path OF asks over tftp ? Do you know if apple hardware works with tftpd ? 05:39
Kamionsvenl: it's worked for me before05:40
jbaileythom: Are you able to do another reboot?05:40
thomjbailey: sure05:40
thomis -28 up for amd64 anywhere?05:40
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Kamionthom: archive.u.c05:40
thomah, yes05:41
thomhoary-changes just finished opening05:41
svenlKamion: next time you netboot a pmac, can you look at syslog to see what /tftpboot served, and if it has a a leading /05:41
svenlKamion: also, you could put a symlink from /etc/yaboot.conf to /tftpboot/etc/yaboot.conf for the time being.05:41
svenlKamion: i still feel that this is a bug in tftpd[-hpa]  though.05:42
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jbaileyHeya Michael.05:42
dokomdz: libstdc++6: context?05:43
azeemhi Jeff05:44
dokomdz: ah, the diff, yes dependent on where you generate the control file, bit anyway, elmo discovered that the patch I wanted to have applied was already applied in 3.4 (but not 4.0)05:45
Kamionsvenl: any extra parameters to 'boot eth' that I should know about? Trying 'boot eth /tftpboot/ubuntu-powerpc/yaboot', tcpdump just shows it sitting there trying to arp05:46
Kamionah, never mind, got it now05:46
svenlKamion: don't forget : console=ttyS1,115200n8 too.05:47
Kamionhm, no, still failing, sitting there with 'R' and the spinner05:47
Kamionsvenl: not on serial console05:47
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RiddellKamion: where can I find a copy of the current isolinux splash image?05:48
svenloh, ok.05:48
svenlKamion: the spinner thingy does turn ? 05:49
KamionRiddell: debian-installer source package, build/boot/x86/pics/ubuntu.png05:49
svenlquickly even ? 05:49
Kamionsvenl: yeah, reasonably so05:49
Kamionok, moving the network cable and using 'boot geth' instead works better05:50
svenlKamion: strange, but it does indeed here too. That said the gige kernel module is broken in ubuntu, so you have to move it back later on.05:50
Kamionyay, booted05:51
svenlKamion: yep, i have a patch though.05:51
RiddellKamion: thanks05:53
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svenlwhat is the default ubuntuMTA ? 06:01
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svenlMmm, i think something id seriously wrong here, and it is not cron or atd. 06:03
svenlit stops after that. rmnologin doesn't output anything, and i must check stop-bootlogd, but what is supposed to happen afterward ? 06:03
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Riddellmdz: can you add kubuntu-default-settings to the kubuntu desktop seed?06:31
Kamionsvenl: any idea which of the NewWorld, OldWorld, or chrp functions in ofpath should be used for pegasos?06:32
Kamionor none of them?06:32
KamionI guess not chrp, it's SCSI-only06:33
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lamontseb128: you around?06:35
lamontKamion: d-i upload for the abi bump... I think it should be ready...06:36
fabbionelamont: no.06:36
fabbionewe are still missing i386 and l-r-m for i38606:36
lamontseb128: could I have some remdial help???  the screensaver daemon doesn't start when I login, until I go to preferences/screensaver and it tells me it's not running, would I like to start it...06:36
fabbionebtw.. read u-k :-)06:36
lamontwhat did I delete from my startup ?06:36
lamontfabbione: sigh06:37
Kamionlamont: I'm waiting for choose-mirror 1.06ubuntu8 too06:38
lamontKamion: ok.  we're still waiting on a kernel or lrm at least too06:38
Kamionsvenl: what does 'spi' mean in /pci@80000000/ide@C,1/device_type? ofpath doesn't know about that type06:38
pittiRiddell: are there any news about your kdesu patch?06:40
mdzRiddell: certainly.  has it been processed through queue/new yet?06:41
seb128lamont: good question, I don't know ...06:42
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Riddellpitti: havn't had a change to make the modifications you suggested yet06:44
Riddellmdz: yes, seems to have been06:44
mdzRiddell: version 5.10.01?06:45
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lamontseb128: sigh. thanks anyway, I guess.06:46
mdzRiddell: do you want me to remove ubuntu-sounds as well?06:46
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seb128maybe thom knows06:46
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Riddellmdz: yes version 5.10.01 is current, probably best remove ubuntu-sounds I'll come back to them later if I have time06:48
Riddellelmo: any move on kubuntu.org?06:48
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mdzRiddell: I was wondering why 5.10.01, rather than, say, 5.04.x06:48
mdzor if there was some different meaning to the version number06:48
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Riddellmdz: ah, good question, possibly becaues I can't count06:52
mdzRiddell: the seed updates are done. do you know how to do the kubuntu-meta update/06:52
Riddellmdz: nope, but I'd be interested to learn06:53
mdzRiddell: it's way easy06:53
mdzRiddell: just wait until the changes are reflected in the published seeds06:53
mdzthen apt-get source kubuntu-meta06:54
mdzrun the ./update script in the source package06:54
mdzthen do a normal source build+upload06:54
Riddellmdz: doesn't sound too hard, I'll give it a shot06:54
sivanghi all06:56
pittiHi sivang 06:56
pittisivang: what's up?06:56
sivanghey pitti , 'sup?06:56
Kamionerk; can evince's Find not operate across a whole document?07:07
Kamionit seems to only work on the current page, which makes it pretty unusable for reading specifications07:07
Kamionoh no, now it works, how strange07:07
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=== Topic for #ubuntu-devel: Ubuntu Development | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-love for getting involved | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DeveloperResources | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryGoals | Kubuntu on #kubuntu-devel | Hoary preview release: http://releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/ | Release Candidate: March 30th
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seb128mdz: here now09:43
seb128ups, forgotten again about the meeting09:44
mdzseb128: no problem, we decided to have a discussion on ubuntu-devel09:45
seb128about what ?09:45
dholbach$release-updates of gnome09:45
dholbachi.e. to have gnome updates to hoary-updates after hoary's release09:46
Q-FUNKmdz: my proposition to upload minor gnome releases to $release-updates09:46
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seb128dholbach: k, thanks09:46
Q-FUNK, seb12809:46
seb128I'm not sure we should do minor updates09:46
seb128but let's talk about this on the list09:47
Q-FUNKI'd really like to hear why.09:47
seb128that's easy, who is going to do the updates ?09:47
seb128maintaining 2 branches is a bunch of extra work09:47
Q-FUNKthat was my proposition:  I woold take whatever you upload to d/unstable and rebuild for $release-update.09:48
seb128that doesn't match09:48
seb128we have some specific changes09:48
mdzplease, guys, let's discuss on the list09:48
seb128some stuff break in debian09:48
Q-FUNKor more precisely:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/TechnicalBoardAgenda09:48
mdzthere are other people we need to hear opinions from, who are not in this channel right now09:48
mdzelmo: still around?09:49
elmomdz: unfortunately09:49
mdzelmo: Treenaks was approved for upload to universe, but he claims not to have upload privileges yet (key 3FA5E031)09:50
seb128mdz: do you know who could have an idea on #6945 (font changing with the locale) ?09:50
mdzseb128: I have no idea about font selection09:51
elmomdz: yes, as he said, he mailed me yesterday09:51
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mdzelmo: and is there a problem, or is it just a question of tuits?09:52
elmomdz: I've not had time09:53
mdzTreenaks: a bit more patience, please09:53
Treenaksmdz: OK09:53
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lamontKamion: ppc ubuntu livecd is current09:59
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lamontas for kubuntu...09:59
pittijordi: I'm adding some langpacks (including catalan) to the install CDs now :-)09:59
lamont  kubuntu-desktop: Depends: kdepim but it is not going to be installed09:59
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jordiGO pittiiiii!10:00
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lamontKamion/elmo: did d-i get into the archive, and we want a new round of livecd rootfs builds?10:00
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janianyone familiar with gtk-doc-tools/jade ? I got an error building a package10:07
lamontKamion: ??10:08
jani-CAPS suffix in sgml ids ring any bell?10:08
elmolamont: d-i's is in for the big 310:08
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lamontelmo: cool - starting livecdfs build then10:09
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pittiHi carlos 10:09
lamontelmo: is gpgsm gonna make it into main?10:09
Kamionlamont: do the live cloops include d-i? I thought they didn't10:09
lamontKamion: don't think so - but they do include the kernel...10:10
elmolamont: I dunno, it's on the promotion list, pending approval10:10
lamontanyway, fresh builds running on all 3.10:10
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ograonions ?10:11
lamontogra: yeah.  that, and it smells.10:11
KamionI must admit that the bloody enormous framebuffer I get when doing installs on Pegasos is pretty nice10:11
lamontogra: that's why gpgsm has me annoyed today10:12
Kamionlots across by 63 down10:12
Kamionif I've counted right10:12
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lamontKamion: pixels or lines?10:12
mdzelmo: d-i in -> with 2.6.10-5?10:12
elmomdz: yes10:12
mdzelmo: thanks10:12
fabbionemdz: the transition to -5 should be complete once lamont finish to build the Live CD fs afaik10:13
ogralamont, oh, red day...10:13
fabbionemdz: everything else is up10:13
seb128pitti: any news on this IPP printer issue ?10:14
pittioh, sorry, got completely buried in security stuff today10:14
fabbionelamont, Kamion: i dunno you two.. but i think this time it went pretty smooth.. only 8 hours to do a full transition10:14
pittiseb128: right, I should tackle this tomorrow10:14
carlospitti: hi10:14
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seb128pitti: np, we are just waiting for you to update for debian :p10:15
Mithrandirhm, I slept over the meeting today.10:15
seb128and would be nice to tackle that for hoary too :)10:15
mdzmvo: here?10:15
Q-FUNKpitti: was 0.29 kosher or was the last good one 0.28 ?10:15
mdzfabbione: are those builds in progress now?10:15
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fabbionemdz: lamont just wrote he was building the livefs ...10:16
pittiQ-FUNK: 0.28 was okay, we have 0.30 now which is fine, too10:16
pittiQ-FUNK: the problem was the newer libgnomecups, which introduced a regression10:16
Q-FUNKpitti: i thought that 0.30 has this regression issue?10:16
seb128and which is needed for the new g-c-m10:16
fabbione<lamont> elmo: cool - starting livecdfs build then10:16
Q-FUNKah ok10:16
pittiQ-FUNK: (that's one of the reasons why I don't want to blindly upload new upstream releases into stable releases)10:16
seb128(and me neither)10:17
fabbionemdz: in the worst scenario everything will be ok tomorrow morning when the cron will do his automatic build10:17
mdzfabbione: that scrolled off my screen while I was paying attention to other things10:17
Q-FUNK_minor_ and not blindly :)10:17
fabbionemdz: no problem :-)10:17
mdzlike the 450 bug emails I have in my box10:17
fabbionemdz: of which 300 are the kernel bugs qa thing :-)10:17
seb128mdz: you read all the bugs ?10:17
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ograseb128, do you just delete them ? :-P10:18
pittiNight fabbione 10:18
ograciao fabbione 10:18
fabbioneKamion: i am going to test svenl patch for that eth driver tomorrow10:19
pittifabbione: wife is waiting? :-)10:19
seb128ogra: no, I "just" read the GNOME ones usually10:19
fabbioneKamion: i will make an image for you :-)10:19
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fabbionepitti: she is probably asleep already...10:19
ograseb128, heh10:19
fabbioneand i am tired too10:19
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fabbioneme &10:20
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sivangnight fabbione 10:20
Kamionsvenl: well, it all boots fine for me on Pegasos, doesn't stop at cron or anything10:21
Kamionfabbione: ok10:21
Kamionlamont: lines :-)10:21
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Q-FUNKKamion: svenl is elsewhere?10:21
Q-FUNKoh.. sorry no ;)10:22
KamionQ-FUNK: yeah, I know, he sometimes reads scrollback though10:22
Kamionfabbione: right, seemed fairly smooth to me10:22
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herveseb128, about the motu howl transition, verbiste recompiles fine10:29
herveseb128, would I test another package you offered to help on?10:29
seb128I don't understand the question10:30
hervehey, quite many motu folks here!10:30
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crimsunwe should all be in here :-)10:30
herveseb128, if you're too busy to help on that transition10:30
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ajmitchherve: of course10:30
seb128herve: nop, you need somebody to upload the package ?10:30
herveseb128, yes I too young to upload myself yet :-)10:31
seb128ah ah10:31
seb128where is the package ?10:31
hervegreen light to rebuild verbiste in a word10:31
herveI'll put it online in a moment10:32
bluefoxicyI need control over polyp or esd10:34
bluefoxicypreferably both10:34
bluefoxicyMUST LOWER LATENCY.10:34
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sivangseb128: I have something pitti reviewed and besides one thing (which I have fixed now) he said it's fine, would you have time to review?10:35
seb128you don't trust pitti review ? :p10:35
hervebluefoxicy, was jack considered as an alternative in the end?10:35
bluefoxicyherve: no :)10:36
sivangseb128: I trust him! :-) I just want to finish with this package already :)10:37
bluefoxicypolyp should have an arts compatibility library and module too, so we can have arts without having to link with Qt10:38
seb128sivang: if he has reviewed it that's fine10:38
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sivangseb128: the last change he wanted me to do is to use _() straight on a string rather then using snprintf to format it.10:38
hervesivang, it's in the course of the motu? then stress out motu uploads need three (?) reviews10:38
danielsogra: xrandr -q10:38
sivangherve: not a MOTU upload, main :)10:38
seb128sivang: where is the package ?10:39
herveho I shut up then10:39
sivangseb128: http://muse.19inch.net/~sivan/g-c-m/sivan-gcm-crack.diff10:39
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sivangseb128: please look at the debdiff and oops on whatever you see could be dangerous10:39
ogradaniels, thanks :-D10:39
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dholbachcrimsun: 10:44
dholbachchecking whether make sets $(MAKE)... yes10:44
dholbachchecking build system type... Invalid configuration `x86_64-linux': machine `x86_64' not recognized10:44
dholbachconfigure: error: /bin/sh config/config.sub x86_64-linux failed10:44
dholbachconfigure: error: /bin/sh './configure' failed for cppunit10:44
dholbachmake: *** [config.status]  Error 110:44
dholbachpbuilder: Failed autobuilding of package10:44
sivangseb128: he also wanted me to include l10n, should I integrate it for te same upload?10:44
dholbachsorry, wrong tab10:44
seb128sivang: want to l10n ?10:44
sivangseb128: yes, I'll add then and then request again your review10:44
sivangseb128: should just be another patch right? just as my previous one..10:45
sivangseb128: with the changes for the he.po file10:45
seb128I don't understand what you want to do with the l10n10:45
sivangseb128: I can provide hebrew l10n10:45
lamontKamion: why would a default hoary install + ssh-server still take passwords, with sshd_config saying PasswordAuthentication no?10:45
seb128use the bugzilla bug for the desktop translation for that10:46
Kamionsvenl: interestingly, X starts up just fine here, without the need for any hacking10:46
Kamionlamont: keyboard-interactive10:46
sivangseb128: ok, I'll add the app name's there also.10:46
Kamionlamont: try ChallengeResponseAuthentication no10:46
seb128sivang: do you have an idea on #6945 ?10:46
lamontah, ok10:46
sivangseb128: /me looks10:46
herveseb128, packages online: http://deb.oursours.net/motu/10:47
seb128herve: ok10:47
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sivangseb128: seems strange, I can't his the difference he is talking about10:49
sivangseb128: *see10:49
seb128k, thanks10:50
ograsivang, the default should be a sans terminal font, but it changes to a serif one10:50
ograthats how i understand it10:50
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Kamionsvenl: ok, yaboot-installer changes uploaded too, should be ready to test tomorrow10:51
sivangogra: I don't get there over my hoary'10:51
sivangogra: I just tried to reproduce10:51
sivangseb128: I cannot reporoduce, maybe I am not seeing the font difference?10:52
ograah, ok10:52
Kamioncron.daily running for new CD images, will do live build once that's finished assuming I'm still up10:52
seb128sivang: dunno, I'm not sure to understand the difference/issue10:53
lamontKamion: ubuntu livecd fsimages are all current10:54
ograseb128, selected sans fort changes to serif, even if sans is selected10:54
ografont even10:54
ograseb128, terminal font that is, not the gtk one10:54
sivangogra: my font remaind the same after executing with the he locale10:55
seb128ogra: right, but I don't get how the locale change the font10:55
Kamionlamont: I've queued it up in my terminal input; assuming that connection stays running, they'll build ... :)10:56
ograseb128, it shouldnt and since this bug is from 26.02 i would tag it NEEDINFO, there changed a lot since then wrt locales and langpacks10:57
sivangogra: how do you see the font changed?10:57
ograsivang, look at the screenshits10:58
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seb128sivang: thanks for the comment on the bug10:58
sivangseb128: no prob :) But I hope I didn't talk rubbish given what ogra just said :-/10:58
seb128nop, the comment is just fine10:59
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ograsivang, you said you cant reproduce, thats not rubbish10:59
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sivangogra: I didn't even see the differences between his two screenshots :-) anywaysm, it would be nice to see what font he has before and *after* he changed the locale so it might be useful11:00
ograsivang, before: http://img60.exs.cx/img60/685/img34go.jpg11:01
ograsivang, after: http://img88.exs.cx/img88/3448/img17uq.jpg11:01
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sivangogra: ok, thankss, I saw that now, but still I couldn't reproduce :)11:03
sivangseb128: I'll do the upload tommorow with martin, I need to get some sleep, night11:03
sivangnight all :)11:03
dholbachnight sivan!11:04
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sivangnight seb128, dholbach 11:05
jon1011has someone seen metalikop ?11:05
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ograsivang, night11:05
dholbachjon1011: he's kop|gone 11:06
ograKamion, sleep well11:06
jon1011(he maintains the ubuntu .deb package for my app, appliworks, but I wasn't able to contact him for some days... and there is a new version of my app :p)11:06
dholbachbye Kamion 11:06
jon1011oh ok :)11:06
jon1011dholbach: thx :)11:06
dholbachjon1011: mail him the location of an rss-feed or something :-)11:06
jon1011dholbach: yes I will do this :p11:07
dholbachjon1011: good11:08
ajmitchmorning jdub 11:09
dholbachhellas jdub 11:09
jdubajmitch: uuggghh.11:09
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seb128hey hey jdub 11:10
ograjdub, i conquered main today :) so i could do the xscreensaver patching myself now ;)11:10
jdubogra: rock!11:11
ograyay :)11:12
bluefoxicydoko: still at it?11:14
herveseb128, thanks for the upload11:15
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seb128herve: np11:15
seb128thanks for the work on the package11:16
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mdzlamont: livefs builds finished and successful?11:17
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lamontubuntu ones were, Kamion has the cd build queued up on his termina11:21
mdzah, ok11:22
lamont<Kamion> lamont: I've queued it up in my terminal input; assuming that connection stays running, they'll build ... :)11:23
lamontmdz: that was 13:56 your time11:23
mdzlooks like there's an install CD build in progress right now11:24
mdzcomplete with jigdo images, so that'll be another hour or so *groan*11:24
lamontI think it's his array 7 candidate, maybe?11:24
mdzlamont: I'm still getting bug mail on kernel-team; did you do the search&change-multiple exercise?11:24
lamontyeah, but not again since you updated the qa default11:25
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lamontmdz: btw, if gpgsm made it into main soon, the buildd's would be happier.11:25
mdzlamont: hmm?11:26
bluefoxicyWould timidity enhancements be interesting to ubuntu?11:26
mdzlamont: somebody upload a broken build-dep?11:26
bluefoxicyI wrote a script, tmidity-update, for Gentoo a while back11:26
lamontkdepim build-dep: gpgsm.  kdepim in main, gpgsm in universe.11:26
lamontno joy11:26
bluefoxicyit lets you manage multiple timidity patch sets by sticking them in a specific directory layout.  There's a system selected patchset, and a user selected one.11:27
bluefoxicythe user can run timidity-update and change the patch set easily11:27
lamontmdz: 6849 and 7229 are assigned to kernel-team - those should be the only ones getting mail to kernel-team... otherwise, bug #?11:27
bluefoxicythe idea is to install midia, freepats, EAW, and shompatches all at once and switch between them11:27
=== lamont reassigns 6849
lamontah, was jdub assigned them... :-)11:29
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mdzlamont: 144011:32
mdz6849 you mentioned11:32
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Riddellmdz: kubuntu-default-settings also needs to go in main if it hasn't been put there already11:34
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mdzRiddell: no problem with kubuntu-default-settings11:35
mdzRiddell: but a bunch of new build-deps are present now, and those packages weren't in the original list11:35
mdzhence they have not had a supportability review11:35
mdzand can't move into main yet11:35
lamontmdz: ah, I only changed open bugs... time to go get the rest..11:36
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lamontmdz: 23 more bugs tweaked11:40
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jdubseb128: dude11:41
jdubseb128: http://www.xline.fr/index2.php?lang=eng11:41
jdubseb128: wtf?11:41
lamontmdz: but I'm not going to reopen 7001 just to reassign it.11:41
robtaylormm. who'se the ipv6 guru?11:42
lamontmdz: livecd should blow it's brains out more soundly when it runs out of RAM...11:42
lamontrobtaylor: I think fabbione is the designated one, but what's the question11:42
lamontmdz: instead of the silent sulk that it seems to do now...11:43
robtaylorlamont: on my hoary (of today) box, gethostbyname seems to do an ipv6 query to the dnsserver, then go through the domian search, then finally (30 seconds later..) try an ipv4 query11:43
seb128jdub: is that a real stuff ? :)11:43
zullamont: there is no build logs for fglrx-kernel-source?11:43
robtaylor(as my nameserver doesnt understand ipv6 ;))11:44
lamontzul: see http://people.ubuntu.com/l/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10/
zulah ok11:44
lamontzul: apt-cache show pkg-name | grep Source11:44
lamontif it doesn't say anything, that's the source name11:45
lamontif it does, that's what you want to use11:45
lamontrobtaylor: yeah, that'd be a fabbione question.. no clue here... :-(11:45
robtaylorlamont: heh, thanks anyway :)11:45
lamontrobtaylor: I was hoping for something trivial, so I could look like a guru...11:46
robtaylorlamont: i was hpoing it'd be trivial too :)11:46
lamontoh, it probably is.11:46
robtaylorseemed to start sometime middle of last week11:46
lamontone might look at the order of things in /etc/hosts, but that'd be a total guess11:47
robtaylorlamont: hey, its worth a try..11:47
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jdubseb128: supposedly it's some ex-mandrake dude11:47
seb128where have you read about it ?11:48
seb128I've not heard about that before11:48
seb128and the website doesn't get a lot of stuff11:48
jdubwith a very broken english announcement ;)11:48
seb128oh, I've switched in the french version directly11:49
seb128I'm lazy :p11:49
herveregular broken English speak by a French as for me ;-)11:49
herve(s/speak/spoken - I'm a good example of broken English...)11:51
mdzlamont: silent sulk?11:51
mdzlamont: I'd rather expect it to sort of implode spectacularly11:52
mdzpractically every write failing, that sort of thing11:52
lamontwell, it kinda seems to go into a vm-thrash mode, at least for my bro11:52
=== lamont notes that ubuntu is #1 on distrowatch (last 3 months)
lamontand #3 in last 611:53
lamont"last 1 month" stats are kinda scary11:53
lamontin a good way11:53
HrdwrBoBit's a large margin11:54
seb128what is scary is the bugzilla flood :p11:54
danielsseb128: yeah :\11:54
zulseb128: heh...been there done that recently :)11:55
zuleh lamont?11:55
jdubthat's an *impressive* margin11:56
crimsunlamont: got a buildd question if you have a sec11:56
lamontfire away11:56
crimsunlamont: both http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/g/gnuradio/0.9-2.1/gnuradio_0.9-2.1_20050301-1305-amd64-failed and http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/g/gnuradio/0.9-2.1ubuntu1/gnuradio_0.9-2.1ubuntu1_20050315-0738-amd64-failed show "checking build system type... Invalid configuration `x86_64-linux': machine `x86_64' not recognized"11:57
crimsundholbach and I have checked automake and autotools-dev versions11:57
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crimsunI've searched google as to how I might attempt to resolve the "$architecture not recognized" and can't find much. debian/rules does copy over the newer config.{guess,sub}11:58
lamontsigh.. elmo: could I have gnuradio build-deps in the hoary chroot on concordia?11:59

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