[12:06] Kamion: you awake? [12:06] mdz: around? [12:06] jdub: yes [12:09] mdz: about #6387, bug to fix for hoary I guess ? [12:09] any idea on how ? mask this tab ? [12:10] seb128: is carlosg going to hate us? [12:10] I don't think he cares if we mask it [12:10] if we break it, perhaps :p [12:11] is there anything on that tab which is not scary? [12:11] hum, in fact I'm messing the 2 tabs [12:11] changing the shell is OK [12:11] the username is on the account one [12:13] mdz, to which bug belongs the gpm patch (for the credits) [12:13] mdz: changing the username field to a non-editable one ? [12:14] ogra: I don't remember [12:14] seb128: that sounds fine to me [12:14] whatever you feel is best [12:15] k === pitti [~martin@dialin-212-144-019-060.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti_ [~martin@dialin-212-144-019-060.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:16] seb128: more changes to users-admin ? [12:16] read #gst [12:17] "Thou shall not 'mv libc-2.3.2.so libc-2.3.2.so.old' in /lib/tls" [12:17] argh [12:18] lol [12:18] hehe [12:19] ouch === Astharot [~isager@host96-161.pool8254.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:28] Hi Astharot [12:28] hi [12:32] pitti: the modification of the POTFILES.in should be part of the i18n patch or of the l10n patch? [12:32] pitti: (I have to add an entry with that file, since it didn't have harcoded strings before) [12:32] pitti: (view-printers.c) [12:32] sivang: i18n [12:32] pitti: k, cool [12:32] pitti: thx [12:37] mdz: what do you think about importing openafs 1.3.74 from debian/experimental into universe, since what's in universe doesn't believe in 2.6 kernels? [12:37] it's not like it breaks anything worse than it already is.... :-) [12:39] lamont_r, hmm, a question of belief ..... [12:39] although 1.3.79 has been released.... [12:39] ogra: will not compile, apparently. or at least doesn't work. [12:39] my afs-bigot friend is asking after it... [12:40] so just let it sync then, its universe, as long as you think it will work *shrug* [12:40] and it's a prereq for getting hoary on my (shared) co-lo box.... [12:40] ogra: oh, no. it panics the kernel occasionally, but it mostly works.... apparently... :-) [12:41] hehe [12:41] I'll put the bigot to work on making a package :-) [12:42] ogra: but do you see any issues with uploading it to universe? When is the universe freeze anyway? [12:42] lamont: when we fixed wiki/MOTUTodo [12:43] lamont_r: :-) [12:43] lamont_r, we call it a "soft" freeze ;) [12:43] ok [12:43] kinda like soft-serve? [12:43] lamont_r, if its required we upload or sync... just trying to avoid unnecessary stuff [12:44] ok. [12:44] lamont_r, dholbach collects a list for elmo syncs currently.... [12:44] I'm going to make him either package 1.3.79, or work with hartmans to update the package in experimental [12:44] ok === zul [~chuck@CPE0006258ec6c2-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [~scott@descent.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:49] evening [12:49] hi zul [12:49] mdz: now I have a patch that really works; it's more straightforward, too [12:49] hey dholbach === lamont_r wanders off for a couple hours of errands in town. === mroth [~mroth@mroth.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Benoni [~liblit@byrd.cs.wisc.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === GheRivero [~ghe@81.172.90.90] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:56] lamont_r: fine with me, if you'll make sure that it builds [12:56] res [12:56] ping jdub [12:56] is anyone able to help me with a package [12:56] http://jasmine.19inch.net/~jr/away/kubuntu/kubuntu-default-settings/kubuntu-default-settings_5.10.01_all.deb [12:56] what's the problem Riddell ? [12:56] doesn't install the files it should install in /etc [12:56] sources? [12:57] same directory [12:57] or deb http://jasmine.19inch.net/~jr/away/kubuntu/ ./ [01:00] Riddell, are you sure it doesn't install files on /etc? [01:01] GheRivero: doesn't seem to for me [01:01] GheRivero: have you installed it? what do you get in /etc/kde-profile/default/share/config/ [01:01] which one exactly I have a lot of them there now [01:01] GheRivero: hi [01:01] night everybody [01:01] clock_panelapplet_kubuntu_rc kdeglobals konqiconviewrc kpersonalizerrc [01:01] kaffeinerc kdesktoprc konquerorrc kwinrc [01:01] kbookmarkrc kickerrc konsolerc [01:01] so it works for you, why doesn't it work for me? [01:02] jdub, did you get sleep? :) [01:02] Riddell, it should be the same [01:02] good night all! [01:02] GheRivero: apart from the mosquitos eating me, yeah ;) [01:02] bye sivan === ogra looks up the word sleep in his dictionary [01:02] night dholbach [01:02] oh yah it summer in australia i keep forgetting [01:03] good night ogra [01:03] night sivang === sivang detaches [01:06] Riddell, did you try purging the package before installing it? [01:07] GheRivero: ah, that fixed it [01:07] thanks === srbaker [~srbaker@blk-222-52-156.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:07] you are welcomed === Fackamato [fackamato@h120n2fls33o1012.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:07] hi [01:08] I have a problem with ubuntu [01:08] this is very strange. [01:08] it's not logical or anything, I don't get it [01:08] #ubuntu [01:08] -devel is for development [01:08] well, I figured you might know more about ubuntu core-things than they do, they pointed me here [01:08] you as in you guys === gabaug [~gabe@216-43-99-149.dsl.mcleodusa.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:09] most of the guys in here hang out on #ubuntu too [01:09] and answer questions there [01:09] this channel is for discussing development of ubuntu [01:10] and me asking stupid development-related questions, of course :) [01:10] let me finish: using fglrx driver, ati card, 2.6.10-k7, i install the driver, i load it, xorg works fine. i reboot, xorg doesn't start, i get this: www.tehjunkyard.net/xorg.log . i modprobe -r fglrx.ko, I copy the fglrx.ko from fglrx package to /lib/modules/kernelversion/kernel/drivers/video/fglrx.ko and modprobe it again. now it works. reboot, doesn't work. I have to rmmod and copy the file again, and it works. [01:10] does ubuntu copy over the file or something? [01:10] the filesizes are the same. [01:10] where do i set up an sftp folder in nautilus like edd points out on his blog? [01:10] guys [01:11] #ubuntu please [01:11] oh, whoops [01:11] Fackamato, if nobody in #ubuntu is answering you, the same people aren't going to answer you here. [01:11] wasabi_: Indeed, there might be more people in here that aren't in #ubuntu though. [01:11] :> [01:13] we'd be in #ubuntu if we were able to help === niran [~niran@lucianus.Stanford.EDU] has joined #ubuntu-devel === niran [~niran@lucianus.Stanford.EDU] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:17] how does gnome turn on anti-aliasing by default? [01:18] seems you have to make a ~/.fonts.conf === bradb [~bradb@modemcable249.14-130-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:22] hhe. if debian cuts down to 4 archs, it won't be very useful to me anymore :p [01:24] jdub: what's the status of the cursor changes (#6172)? [01:25] local package has the alternative foo re-added [01:25] is there a waitcondition for uploading it? [01:25] however i'm having a problem with stuff left behind by the old package, or inability to override [01:25] here's what's in my alternative [01:25] sorry, phone [01:26] gar [01:26] okay [01:27] $ update-alternatives --display x-cursor-theme [01:27] x-cursor-theme - status is manual. [01:27] link currently points to /usr/share/themes/Industrial/cursor.theme [01:27] /etc/X11/cursors/core.theme - priority 30 [01:27] /etc/X11/cursors/redglass.theme - priority 20 [01:27] /etc/X11/cursors/whiteglass.theme - priority 20 [01:27] /etc/X11/cursors/handhelds.theme - priority 20 [01:27] Current `best' version is /etc/X11/cursors/core.theme. [01:27] [01:27] thus, [01:27] /etc/alternatives/x-cursor-theme -> /usr/share/themes/Industrial/cursor.theme [01:27] oh, wrong machine [01:27] anyway [01:27] so with current package, i get a Human alternative correctly [01:27] with priority 40 [01:28] but can't find a way to reset the manual alternative (to a file that no longer exists) [01:30] (phone) === azeem_ [~mbanck@socks-out.lrz-muenchen.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:32] jdub: Yo [01:32] jdub: Looks like I'll be joining you in .au [01:32] jdub: can't you update-alternative --something in the old package's .prerm? === mroth [~mroth@mroth.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:40] drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such device) [01:40] drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such device) [01:40] drmOpenDevice: Open failed [01:40] sorry! not here! [01:42] dholbach: that seems impolite [01:43] jdub: but you say it no longer exists? [01:43] g'night [01:43] bye seb128 === sm is now known as sm-afk [01:44] seb128: thanks for uploading [01:44] np [01:44] night seb128 [01:44] fabbione: do you think it will be possible to examine #7258 prior to hoary, or is it too low priority? [01:44] dholbach: there's no guarantee that it doesn't, however === tritium [~rimbert@12-202-90-180.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:45] jdub: and a rigid update-alternative to whatever you're trying to update the alternative to? maybe a bit impolite too, hm? :-) [01:45] jdub: test it before running update-alternative === rjo [~jordens@rjo.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:46] i'm sure there is a general or recommended solution to this, i just don't know what it is [01:46] jdub: you can't/shouldn't override a manually-selected alternative; why would you want to? [01:46] using debconf *duck and run away* [01:46] if it's being set to manual when it shouldn't, that probably means you're doing things in the wrong order [01:46] mdz: exactly :-) [01:47] mdz: what's the status of your x-cursor-theme alternative? [01:50] jdub: here its broken [01:50] lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 41 2005-01-31 11:40 x-cursor-theme -> /usr/share/themes/Industrial/cursor.theme [01:50] yep [01:52] jdub: + 1 /etc/X11/cursors/core.theme [01:52] (automatic) [01:52] oh, no it isn't [01:52] mdz: how fresh is your hoary install? [01:52] /etc/alternatives/x-cursor-theme is a broken symlink [01:53] see, i think the old industrial engines package didn't deregister properly or something [01:53] sounds that way [01:53] so a new version of the industrial engines package should fix it === mjg59 swears at HP hardware [01:53] but it doesn't have the cursor theme any more [01:54] but it broke the alternative (we think) [01:54] the old one did, i imagine [01:55] it was replaced with a package from a different source [01:55] what package are we talking about here? [01:55] the one which used to contain themes/Industrial/cursor.theme [01:55] gtk-engines-industrial i guess [01:56] mdz: so [01:56] old gtk2-engines-industrial had the cursor theme [01:56] gtk2-engines-industrial doesn't have any maintainer scripts [01:56] at all [01:57] the new one is from a different source, gtk-engines, not the old, independent industrial source [01:57] yeah, the new one doesn't need any [01:58] what a mess [01:58] this needed to be dealt with much earlier; I didn't realize this was fucked alternatives, rather than just moving files around [01:59] the prerm in the warty version of gtk-industrial-engine looks reasonable [02:00] its postinst is fucked though [02:00] so should the new package have removed the alternative on postinst? [02:00] or should the prerm from the old package have handled it? [02:01] the prerm from the old package should have handled it [02:01] mmm, that's what i had thought [02:02] so, bad hack to check and change in the new ubuntu-artwork package? [02:02] but if there were an error during prerm, it would have called postinst to unwind [02:02] which unconditionally restores the alternative [02:02] I'd recommend fixing it in gtk2-engines-industrial [02:03] if /etc/alternatives/foo is a broken link, and the target is bar, then update-alternatives --auto foo === kylem_ [~kyle@CPE0030ab0b413b-CM023469906297.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:04] who is going to get the job of sorting all the data given by the hardware info report tool [02:05] mdz: and update-alternatives in ubuntu-artwork should only happen on install or upgrade [02:05] mdz: correct? [02:05] jdub: where does ubuntu-artwork enter into it? [02:05] oh, ubuntu-artwork has the new theme [02:05] yes [02:06] ubuntu-artwork should do update-alternatives in postinst (install|upgrade) and prerm (remove) [02:06] (working around upstream screwage) [02:06] I think === kylem_ is now known as kylem [02:06] I always look it up and check examples because I rarely work with alternatives === Fackamato [fackamato@h120n2fls33o1012.telia.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Lmnar"] [02:07] I wonder why there isn't a debhelper component for alternatives yet [02:07] hrm [02:07] zenwhen: some cool AI [02:07] the old gtk2-engines-industrial removed the icon cache [02:08] ogra, oh thats cool. It has taken five minutes just gathering data. [02:08] hrm, no, that makes sense here, too [02:08] I hope it works. [02:08] zenwhen, nope [02:08] oh its broken? [02:08] zenwhen, i havent uploaded the code for sending yet [02:08] well it sure looks cool [02:08] :) [02:09] really really professional [02:09] zenwhen, thanks, cross your fingers that it works like it looks too :) [02:09] Hopefully so. I'd like to see Ubuntu call ym video card by name. [02:09] my* [02:09] :) [02:10] zenwhen, that should be ready during the next two days (naming netcard, videocard and probably soundcard) the last one i cant promise though [02:12] sounds awesome [02:27] ogra: ETA for the ubuntu-desktop-ready version? [02:28] wed 23:59 UTC ? [02:29] to late ? [02:32] ogra: we need something in array 7 [02:32] that's the final milestone before RC [02:33] mdz: array 7 was yesterday according to the release schedule [02:33] ogra: no, it's Wednesday [02:34] (according to the release schedule ;-) ) === thully [~thully@30.sub-166-155-137.myvzw.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:34] Just did a clean install from preview CD - hibernate was not set up by default (at least the suspend/resume partition wasn't)? Is this expected? [02:35] thully: only if you didn't create a swap partition [02:35] the resume partition is sawp [02:35] swap. [02:35] it's been repeatedly confirmed to work under a variety of circumstances otherwise [02:36] mdz: ok [02:36] OK - whatabout adding resume= - is that necessary? [02:36] no [02:36] did you actually check whether it worked? resume= is no longer necessary [02:36] mdz: forgot about the 2 day timeshift [02:36] where is that taken care of, then? [02:37] in the kernel, its all setup for you at install [02:37] please just give it a try from the logout menu or gdm and let us know if its !working [02:38] the resume= line is no longer necessary? waoh. should I remove it and test for confirmation? [02:38] so -can you use the ThinkPad hibernate shortcut (Fn+F12) [02:39] theres a really easy way to find out [02:39] try it :) [02:40] I'll go ahead and try it out [02:40] if not: you can reconfigure the keyboard short cuts from the gnome menu [02:40] does anything check that the swap space is >= the amount of memory in the newer install CDs? [02:41] One unrelated question: is it too late to enable autohinter in Hoary, even if just for a whitelist of fonts? [02:41] end-user questions belong in #ubuntu btw [02:41] no - this is a question about system defaults, not how do I enable autohinter [02:42] your last question was not [02:42] you seem fairly determined to spend up development time on simple things you could find out for yourself [02:42] thully: yes, it is absolutely too late, and I already told you that the last time you asked about it [02:43] oh.. and there is the issue of you repeating/cross posting yourself [02:43] which was earlier today [02:44] OK - I think it may have been lostin my e-mail [02:45] good night everyone [02:45] bye dholbach [02:45] bye tseng [02:47] thully: google is your friend === r0ver [~rover@22-246-114-200.fibertel.com.ar] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === dholbach [~daniel@td9091d0d.pool.terralink.de] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Verlassend"] === thully [~thully@115.sub-166-155-150.myvzw.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:55] hi - just tested hibernate - on first boot after install, you can't do it using the keyboard and doing it from GNOME shutdown screen causes the system to hang in the middle of the process [02:55] After rebooting, it works fine using keyboard and GNOME menu === mdke [~matt@mdke.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:07] Just reported it on bugzilla - 7667 [03:07] not sure of the component, so I specified acpi-support === jba [~jba@c211-30-145-155.blktn3.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:09] not sure if this is an ubuntu devel question but will ask it here anyway [03:09] is there a reason why every time i run the update manager grub re-writes my menu.lst ? [03:09] and removes my windows entry? [03:10] i don't mind re-entering but it seems like this shouldn't be happening? [03:12] put your windows entry outside the automatically rewritten section === _Clint_ [clint@adsl-69-233-179-235.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _Clint_ is now known as _Sihouzi_ === _Sihouzi_ is now known as _Clint_ === _Clint_ is now known as Clint [03:21] jdub, aah cool, thanks dude, I did have as the first item (for my wife's sake) [03:21] i'll just have to tell her to pick the last one [03:21] or let it go by default [03:24] mdz: did you want to know that zsh is ftbfs? [03:24] you can make it the first entry by putting it above the automatically rewritten seciton [03:25] and it will be used as the default [03:28] lamont: it'sawhat? [03:29] lamont: my upload changed nothing but changelog and Completion/Unix/Command/_baz [03:29] make[2] : Entering directory `/build/buildd/zsh-4.2.1/obj/Src' [03:29] ../../config.status [03:29] make[2] : ../../config.status: Command not found [03:29] make[2] : *** [mkmakemod.sh] Error 127 [03:29] lamont: and I test-built it before uploading [03:29] did the previous version FTBFS too? [03:29] jdub, i thought i did that alreasym will try again [03:31] mdz: no. [03:31] mdz: you seem to have a special touch. :-( [03:31] Clint: any guesses? [03:32] Completion/Unix/Command/_baz | 4 ++-- [03:32] debian/changelog | 6 ++++++ [03:32] must be some kind of timestamp fuckage [03:33] mdz: there's a very nasty ugly patch on zsh to prevent it from linking the main binary to -lpcre and -lcap. it looks like that got a little fragile [03:33] well, it was fragile to begin with [03:33] so, yes, it's probably timestamp fuckage [03:33] Clint: is there a bat^Wworkaround I can apply? [03:34] if I weren't suffering from extreme sleep-deprivation, I'd say yes [03:35] http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/z/zsh/4.2.1-15ubuntu3/zsh_4.2.1-15ubuntu3_20050314-2238-i386-failed [03:35] there's the full log [03:36] is going to 4.2.4 right out? [03:36] how well-behaved has it been in Debian? [03:36] I don't mind digging a fix out of it if you can give me a hint where to look [03:36] for some reason it's looking at toplevel for config.status, rather than in obj [03:37] ew [03:38] though that makes no sense [03:38] it's the mkmakemod.sh target in Src/Makefile [03:38] mkmakemod.sh: $(dir_top)/config.status mkmakemod.sh.in [03:38] $(dir_top)/../config.status [03:38] mkmakemod.sh.in: mkmakemod.sh.in.in [03:38] $(dir_top)/../config.status [03:38] which makes no sense at all [03:39] it pretty much explicitly tries to go to the parent dir of where it's supposed to be [03:39] that bit of code is the same in 4.2.4-1, interestingly enough === jba [~jba@c211-30-145-155.blktn3.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [03:40] yeah, I just keep star-merging it along [03:40] it's gruesome [03:40] I seem to break timestampish things sometimes by building on a tmpfs [03:40] Clint: baz probs ? [03:40] which is where I generally build stuff, unless it's like, X or oo.o [03:41] lifeless: well, I can't use baz on that archive [03:41] Clint: why not ? === Sepheebear [~SepheeBea@24-193-111-253.nyc.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:41] lifeless: if I use a revision-library, it chokes to death consistently, and if I don't, it fails in weird and erratic wys [03:41] er, ways [03:42] Clint: thats weird - I'd love to fix that. are you able to spend some time with me identifying the cause ? === netjoined: irc.freenode.net -> orwell.freenode.net === Xof [~mas01cr@158.223.59.22] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:42] gah, it's re-running autoconf during the build [03:42] that at least I can fix === ogra [~ogra@p508EADDC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:43] aha! [03:43] lifeless: http://bugs.debian.org/297756 describes the reproducible problem [03:43] though I have no idea why that breaks it [03:43] lifeless: let me know what else you want me to do [03:44] it probably touches something that isn't supposed to be touched === marcin_ant [~marcin@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:44] Clint: whats the url for the archive [03:44] wait [03:44] wtf was autoconf doing in the chroot? [03:45] zsh build-deps on autoconf, growl [03:45] lifeless: http://arch.debian.org/arch/pkg-zsh/current/ [03:45] what the?! [03:45] LAMONT!!! [03:46] Clint: ok, reproduced [03:46] mdz: well, it fixed the build the last time... [03:46] Clint: does it work with tla ? [03:46] * Build-Depend: autoconf [03:46] -- LaMont Jones Fri, 26 Nov 2004 17:36:02 -0700 [03:46] lifeless: nope, same annoying crap [03:47] lifeless: less wordy though [03:47] Clint: ah. betchya its a fuxked tarball [03:47] any quick fix? [03:47] have I mentioned how it's bad to patch files that are built from other files? [03:48] ain't none of my packages meant to be autoreconf'd [03:48] it's fine as long as the build process doesn't try to magically generated them [03:48] the fucker [03:48] right. [03:49] sorry but someone has 'edited' the archive. [03:49] mdz: and the file in question when I added autoconf was deep in a twisty maze [03:49] its corrupt and must be discarded or manually repaired. [03:49] Clint: if you look in the tarball, you'll see that it has a patch log for "\{arch\}/zsh/zsh--upstream/zsh--upstream--4.1.1/schizo\@debian.org--2004--pkg-zsh/patch-log/base-0" [03:49] how do I figure out what needs repairing? [03:49] is there a non-ubuntuized kernel source package? I'm trying to modify some debian Xen packages to work, but doesn't look like there's a vanilla pkg... should I back out the ubuntu patches, or am I wrong? [03:49] lamont: are you saying that regenerating autoconf during the build was intentional? [03:49] rather than working around the fact that the build wanted to do it? [03:50] what this means is that the archive /really is/ schizo\@debian.org--2004--pkg-zsh and the branch really is zsh--upstream--4.1.1 [03:50] lifeless: so I should remove it? [03:50] someone has edited the 'name' meta-info file. [03:50] http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/ongoing-merge/zsh/zsh_ubuntu.debdiff [03:50] ugh [03:50] looks pretty innocent [03:50] now the question is - are the later commits to the same archive *also* for schizo\@debian.org--2004--pkg-zsh ? [03:51] if they ALL ARE. then its easy: put the name back were it should be. [03:51] lifeless: no [03:51] if there are mixed commits, then you need to: [03:51] 1) decide on the archive name [03:51] 2) unpack the base-0 and edit the log, and all metadata to be what you want it to be [03:51] 3) repack it [03:51] lifeless: please note. I've never done anything this evil to arch. :-) [03:51] 4) repeat on every changeset after that. [03:52] schweeb: there is an Ubuntu package, a Debian package, and a vanilla tarball from upstream; they are all distinct [03:52] lifeless: great, thanks [03:52] goerzen wrote a shell script to do this. I don't know how robust it is. [03:52] you'll then need to find every mirror of the archive in existence and get them to zap them selves and start over. [03:53] whoever edited 'name' should be tied up and whipped. right after the designer of a non-self-documenting archive format susceptible to this. [03:53] lamont: let me know if ubuntu15 does better [03:53] after you fix this, it should work just fine. [03:53] mdz: wilco [03:53] lamont: I mean 15ubuntu4 [03:54] Clint: also, be sure to nuke ~/.arch-cache/archives/zsh\@packages.debian.org--pkg-zsh [03:54] right [03:54] Clint: talk to lamont about what to nuke when you change history ;) [03:54] Preconfiguring packages ... [03:54] gcc-opt: Failed to open /CurrentlyBuilding [03:54] '/' ? [03:54] do I want to know why preconfiguring packages runs the compiler???? [03:55] lifeless: heh [03:55] lamont: one reason I like arch's archive format is that rcs scripts are harmless [03:55] LOL [03:56] ;) [03:58] lamont: dpkg-architecture? [03:58] ah, ok [03:58] amazing the things one trips over.. :-) [04:01] oh crap [04:01] that guy is doing backports for hoary already [04:02] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20044 [04:03] zenwhen: heh [04:03] sigh [04:03] well, I mean, UVF was like so 2.5 months ago [04:03] yeah [04:03] I was already bitten by that backports deal once [04:04] I am not convinced he wont screw it up again [04:04] zenwhen: there's no reason to run backports. honestly. [04:05] well, ok. people have reasons === mroth_ [~mroth@mroth.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:06] whoops [04:06] Things like Firefox and Gaim that have regular releases are what cause people to use backports. [04:06] lamont: well admittedly, FF being so high profile, there are going to be a lot of people freaking out if its not the most "bleeding edge" [04:06] regular and highly touted releases [04:06] esp. since slashdot has scared half of them into thinking that its an "important security release!" [04:06] lifeless: thanks, looks like that worked [04:07] (not to suggest that its wasnt a security problem, but its the type of security problem that only affects people who click stupid links in their email) [04:09] my only issue with firefox is how crappy the left side of the left mst tab loks sometimes [04:09] lol [04:10] "It's only a security issue if you're stupid. Are you stupid?" [04:10] lol [04:10] lol [04:10] jdub: "special" [04:10] (not that i necessarily believe that, for the problem in question, but anyway) [04:11] 53 binaries in hoary/desktop taht are suid and/or sgid [04:11] half of those are gnome-games, right? :) [04:11] yeah, it's about time sudo wasn't setuid root [04:12] lol [04:12] jdub: is it going to be possible to get FF1.0.1 into hoary? it might be a good idea as a "public relations" move, since I bet otherwise every single review will mention it. [04:12] -rwsr-sr-x 1 root root 7664 2005-03-02 07:03 ./usr/X11R6/bin/X [04:12] mroth: thom's dropping that in this week, i believe [04:12] wth? [04:12] :-) [04:12] Keybuk: BRING IN THE DEROOTIFIER [04:12] jdub: good to hear [04:12] /SUMMON pitty [04:13] pitti too [04:13] not that we make technical decisions base on "public relations" [04:13] oops [04:13] Keybuk: freudian slip [04:13] *cough* ooo2.0 *uncough* [04:13] *cough* exactly *uncough* [04:13] ;) [04:14] lamont: please file a bug about that [04:14] mdz: OK [04:14] Myself, being smart enough not to click links in emails, am fine with firefox 1.0. [04:14] has anyone seen daniels? [04:14] mdz: want me to call? [04:14] Clint: cool [04:14] jdub: please [04:14] Clint: anything you have baz problems on .. just ask ;) [04:15] -r-sr-xr-x 1 root root 15000 Oct 26 14:40 ./sbin/unix_chkpwd [04:15] interesting [04:15] but I am not smart enough right now to us eproper grammer [04:15] ;) [04:15] lamont: the fact that it's exactly 15000 bytes? [04:15] yeah === ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-169-124.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:15] lifeless: will do [04:16] lamont: 14936 on Warty if it makes you more comfortable :-) [04:16] jdub: 11 of them are sgid games [04:24] I am passing out some preview live and install disks at work tomorrow. [04:24] well not preview. they are from yesterday. [04:30] mdz: fwiw, X was suid/sgid root on warty, too [04:30] 2 new suid binaries, one of them a hardlink to sudo [04:30] the other being hal-dmiwrapper [04:30] lamont: interesting; I wonder why pitti didn't flag it [04:31] I know of no reason it should be sgid [04:31] can we get screen suid ? its like every time I do pair programming, the first thing is 'make screen suid' [04:31] (don't you love randoms like me) ? [04:32] mdz: especially when it's suid root [04:32] -rwxr-sr-x 1 root utmp 297080 Feb 28 15:23 ./usr/bin/screen [04:32] lifeless: that's what you get [04:32] lifeless: I'm not sure that suid is required in order to do multiuser [04:33] it shouldn't be... === lamont is proud that pmount went from 4750 to 4754 [04:34] we should not be ashamed of our code. :-) [04:36] lamont: cool. [04:36] mdz -15ubuntu4 has no love [04:36] mdz: it is required [04:36] make[4] : Entering directory `/build/buildd/zsh-4.2.1/obj/Src/Modules' [04:36] Makefile:406: cap.rules: No such file or directory [04:36] Makefile:1327: pcre.rules: No such file or directory [04:36] mdz: the vty it allocates needs to be accessible by all the authorised users. [04:37] cd ../../../Src/Modules && autoconf pcre.configure.ac >pcre.configure [04:37] /bin/sh: autoconf: command not found [04:37] make[4] : *** [../../../Src/Modules/pcre.configure] Error 127 [04:37] lamont: it really ought to be using a socket rather than a pty [04:37] screen? [04:38] oh, X. [04:38] lamont: screen [04:38] for communication between users [04:39] ah, ok [04:40] mdz: where do you want the suid-diff emailed to? [04:40] lamont: security-review [04:41] @u.c? [04:43] @lists.ubuntu.com === Sepheebear [~SepheeBea@24.193.111.253] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:45] mdz: sent === TerminX [~terminx@terminx.envision7.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:48] ha ha [04:48] "Don't worry; even if we upgrade to the new version, it still has remote root vulnerabilities in it." [04:48] ^ mdz doing his slightly verbose bobby mcferrin impression [04:49] jdub: lol === Sym [~zero@dialup-4.245.118.26.Dial1.SanJose1.Level3.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === elmo [~james@83-216-141-215.jamest298.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [~stub@dsl-246.248.240.220.dsl.comindico.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:01] mdz: msg awaits the moderator.. [05:02] Hi elmo. [05:02] wb elmo [05:02] lamont: please file a bug about the zsh thing; I can't focus on it tonight [05:02] ok [05:03] hi tritium, lamont === ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-169-124.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:07] mdz: and should I just assign it to me? :-) [05:07] lamont: I fixed half of it; I'll finish the job tomorrow [05:07] just don't want to forget === Burgundavia [~Burgundav@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:07] right [05:07] I'm too tired to figure out wtf Src/Modules/Makefile comes from [05:07] will assign to you then [05:08] mdz: so was I when I got done with it... :) [05:08] and I apologize. :( [05:09] 7672 [05:10] who fixed the nb locale? :) I love you! [05:12] elmo, I sent emails to keyring and upload. May I inquire about the status of my request, if you have a spare moment? [05:13] tritium: when/where did you send them? [05:13] wasabi: ? [05:13] elmo, yesterday evening [05:13] elmo, from rimbert@purdue.edu [05:14] tritium: ok - that was a sunday evening for me, and I've just got back online after some hardware problems. I'll process you as soon as I've caught up [05:14] elmo, no problem. Thank you. I know you're busy, so I appreciate your time. === Sepheebear [~SepheeBea@24-193-111-253.nyc.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:15] elmo, [05:15] ? [05:15] wasabi: jsch FTBFS [05:16] on i386? [05:16] coulda sworn i pbuildered it [05:16] amd64 actually - not sure it matters tho, doesn't look arch specific [05:16] http://people.ubuntu.com/~james/paste/jsch.txt [05:16] 404 === lamont screams, adds 'wired mouse' to his shopping list for tomorrow [05:17] 2 wireless mice in one house is a bad thing... [05:17] you fell for the wireless trick === wasabi giggle. [05:17] they need CDMA wireless mice ;) === wasabi just pbuilds jsch fine [05:17] wasabi: again [05:17] hmmmm [05:19] does /usr/share/ant1.6 exist for you? [05:19] wasabi: http://people.ubuntu.com/~james/paste/jsch2.txt [05:21] is /usr/share/ant1.6/lib/ant.jar readable? that is the check that is failing [05:21] if ! test -r "$(ANT_HOME)/lib/ant.jar" [05:21] -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 914084 Oct 26 17:50 ant.jar [05:21] well what the heck [05:21] ANT_HOME := /usr/share/ant [05:21] ? [05:21] that's in debian/rules [05:21] eh... mine has 1.6. === wasabi digs. [05:22] this is 0.1.19-1ubuntu1 which is what's in queue/NEW atm [05:23] hmm. i have ubuntu2. let me go figure out what i did last night. [05:23] jsch_0.1.19-1ubuntu2_source.changes [05:23] REJECT [05:23] Rejected: jsch_0.1.19.orig.tar.gz file already exists in the New directory. [05:24] that would know it out? [05:24] knock [05:24] unfortunately yes - katie's not smart enough to detect they're the same file if it's in NEW [05:24] just upload without -sa and you'll be good === ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-169-124.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:25] hey. bit embarressing. can you send me what's in New right now? :) === ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-169-124.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:25] heh [05:26] wasabi: put them in http://people.ubuntu.com/~james/paste/ [05:26] elmo: planet sync please :) [05:26] 403 [05:26] meh [05:27] wasabi: fixed [05:27] thx. [05:28] jdub: done [05:28] thanks [05:35] elmo, done. [05:37] dear god, that's ugly compiler output [05:38] =) [05:38] I searched high and low but couldn't figure out how to disable warnings in ECJ [05:38] --stfu didn't work? [05:38] ;) === tritium [~rimbert@12-202-90-180.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:39] Someday I will either figure it out, or implement -nowarn [05:39] -nowarn? [05:40] ... [05:40] oh yes, it's being called from Ant, not from the command line [05:40] that's why it wouldn't work [05:40] gave me a heartattack there [05:44] oh Clint - care to close that bug ? :) === ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-169-124.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tritium [~rimbert@12-202-90-180.client.insightBB.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-169-124.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [~Burgundav@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:19] jdub? [06:19] yo! [06:19] can I have kernel-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com, me as admin? and can we point bz at that instead of kernel-team? [06:19] since that's 99.44% of the list traffic, and we're just not that pure [06:20] haha [06:20] i thought you might ask for that soon ;) [06:20] GRRR [06:20] give me a minute [06:23] lamont++ === kop|gone is now known as metallikop [06:26] lamont: http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/admin/kernel-bugs [06:26] lamont: same pw as kernel-team, please add description/summary and make the list public when you're happy with it [06:27] woot [06:27] jdub: you mean same password as _you_ gave kernel-team... [06:27] hrm, === `anthony [~anthony@ekorp-203-63-137-225.eoff.ekorp.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:28] lamont: hmm, should be password you changed it to [06:28] lamont: let me know if not :) [06:28] hrm... [06:29] morning [06:29] jdub: either I can't type, or it's not the same [06:30] ok, if we release with this bloody gaim doesn't get to pop-up windows, I'm switching back to Debian :-P [06:30] (or something else old enough not to manifest it) [06:30] elmo: then they could go back to making you out to be the antichrist, instead of Ubuntu === froud-away is now known as froud [06:40] does anyone know where theres a DEB archive of the Flash player from Macromedia ? [06:40] cc: yes [06:40] cc: but you can also just click the "puzzle" icon in firefox to install it automagicallt [06:40] y [06:40] cc: flashplugin-nonfree [06:41] crimsun: ok, thanks === eruin [~eruin@eruin.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:02] can I speak to anyone about the dma settings in linux-image here? === gabaug [~gabe@216-43-99-149.dsl.mcleodusa.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:04] I've had to compile my own kernel to set dma on for my standard ide hd/cd drives, and while doing so I noticed the ubuntu config had "CONFIG_IDEDMA_ONLYDISK=y" [07:05] eruin: -> #ubuntu-kernel [07:05] thanks === OddAbe19 is back (gone 24:05:59) === OddAbe19 is away: Gone... Like the French in a battle. [07:24] that's just lame === janc [~janc@dD5762085.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === janc [~janc@dD5762085.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabdfl [~mark@185.16.202.62.fix.bluewin.ch] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:40] morning sabdfl [07:40] how is swiss? ;) [07:42] fabbione: the matterhorn is incredible [07:42] it's like some alien beacon [07:42] ehehe === mpt_switzerland [~mpt@185.16.202.62.fix.bluewin.ch] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:05] sabdfl: do you have any pic to show us? ;) [08:12] Mithrandir: ? [08:13] Mithrandir: why does mcelog not have an ubuntu version number if it's changed? if it's unchanged, why is it not a sync? [08:13] elmo: it's not changed. [08:13] elmo: it's from NEW [08:13] elmo: I was told to do it this way by mdz. [08:13] pfft [08:14] if I can ask you to grab stuff from Debian's NEW, that's fine with me. [08:14] but I thought you didn't want to mix hats like that. [08:15] hang on - how did you get it out of NEW? [08:15] I was waiting for that ;) [08:15] elmo: I asked the maintainer. [08:15] pfft [08:16] elmo: if you want a different process, that's fine with me, I just did what mdz told me. :) [08:17] pfft [08:17] ;) === Mithrandir gives elmo a cup of tea. [08:18] and yes, I did vet the source and yes, I am trusting the developer who uploaded it to have given me the same source as he uploaded to NEW. === azeem [~mbanck@socks-out.lrz-muenchen.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rjo [~jordens@rjo.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt_switzerland [~mpt@185.16.202.62.fix.bluewin.ch] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === metallikop is now known as kop|gone === herzi [~herzi@c167132.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [~zenrox@wbar7.sea-4-12-028-223.dsl-verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === d3vic3 [~d3vic3@dumbledore.hbd.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === froud is now known as froud-work === mvo [~egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [~zenrox@wbar7.sea-4-12-028-223.dsl-verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [~daniel@td9091b2d.pool.terralink.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:15] goood morning === HiddenWolf [~hidden@136.228.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [~carlos@69.Red-80-33-181.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rubenv [~lambda1@kotnet-148.kulnet.kuleuven.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:23] mdz, jdub: gcc-3.4 builds finished on i386, powerpc, amd64, built firefox and grub on am64, still works for, ok to update (needed for the OOo2 build)? === carlos [~carlos@69.Red-80-33-181.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === martink [~martin@pD9EB2935.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gandalfar [~gandalf@BSN-77-186-194.dsl.siol.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gandalfar [~gandalf@BSN-77-186-194.dsl.siol.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["."] === mirak [~mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-12-161.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabdfl [~mark@185.16.202.62.fix.bluewin.ch] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [09:45] ping jordi [09:45] hi mvo [09:46] hey dholbach === pitti [~martin@dialin-145-254-169-023.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:49] mvo: pong [09:49] hey pitti [09:49] Morning [09:50] hai pitti [09:50] jordi: what's the status of utf-8 and nano? we won't get it before 1.4? [09:50] pitti: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/changelog [09:50] mvo: no. [09:50] mvo: HEAD should be more or less there, I believe [09:50] but not yet releasable. [09:51] mvo: if Ubuntu is going to switch editors because of this, it could be enough pressure for the feature to be completed :) [09:51] fabbione: wow! nice work [09:51] pitti: this is going in later today [09:52] pitti: note that the debian security stuff (without CAN) is in the merge log [09:52] fabbione: you are insane. :) [09:52] fabbione: this already contains all protentially security relevant patches you mentioned? [09:52] jordi: I'm tempted to ask for a switch because of this [09:52] ah, ok [09:52] pitti: yes [09:52] Mithrandir: really? [09:52] mvo: ugh. dude [09:52] fabbione: yeah. In a good way. [09:52] Mithrandir: i have never noticed it :P [09:52] jordi: seriously, it's a problem [09:52] I know, I know [09:53] it wasn't before with latin1 as default. [09:53] no patches floating around or something (/me hopes) [09:53] let me ping the nano list and David. [09:53] mvo: you've only tried with 1.2, right? [09:53] jordi: that would be very kind. [09:53] yes, I only tried 1.2 [09:53] the current 1.3 in experimental should be pretty unusable, but there's a patch to fix it a bit. [09:54] mvo: ok. let me see what I find. [09:54] it's 1.3.5? [09:54] in experimental? [09:54] hmm, there's commits in cvs. [09:54] - UTF-8 support. [DONE except for edit window text wrapping, help window [09:54] text wrapping, and the NO_CONVERT flag.] [09:54] mvo: want me to cook a quick deb based on HEAD? [09:54] sounds pretty good [09:55] jordi: let's what what upstream says first, ok? [09:55] mvo: yah. [09:55] creating a deb would take 2 mins tho [09:55] hehe [09:55] feel free (if it really takes only 2 minutes) :) === jordi reautogens. :) === smurfix reads fabio's changelog and is speechless [09:57] yeah, it's quite impressive. [09:57] Fabio the Great [09:58] what worries me is that you are severely failing to feel sorry for me [09:58] seeing how i'm sick today [09:59] mvo: so this is for hoary? [09:59] toresbe: aren't you always sick [by caring that much about so many weird architectures] ? [09:59] Mithrandir: well, I'm always mentally sick [10:00] Mithrandir: but I have a very soar throat [10:00] It hurts to breathe [10:00] I was about to suggest stop, but I guess that's not a good idea [10:00] hehe [10:00] jordi: yes, hoary === kagou [~kagou@80.125.76.11] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dredg [niall@malkovich.office.blacknight.ie] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ace2001ac [~acharles@185.245.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === niran [~niran@lucianus.Stanford.EDU] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:21] is there something like pythons os.path.normpath() for the shell? === `anthony [~anthony@220-253-31-237.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:22] mvo: basename? [10:22] Treenaks: not quite what I want. I want a nice path afterwards even if I feed it with "/lala//lu/x//" -> "/lala/lu/x" [10:24] mvo: try readlink -f [10:24] mvo: oh no, you need a real file for this [10:25] pitti: yes :/ === doko_ [~doko___@dsl-084-059-041-094.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:28] how do other people deal with building a path from e.g. "$dir/$subdir/$subsub" if the user can specify each of the vars and some will add a trailing "/" ? just ignore that there may be the double "//"? [10:28] mvo: remove the trailing /, if you care? [10:29] s#//#/#g ? [10:29] mvo: var=${var%/} [10:29] Treenaks: you need to do this recursively [10:30] pitti: hmm. yes [10:30] Mithrandir: this will "/var/lib" -> "/var"? but in this case everything is fine and I don't want the path to change. [10:30] mvo: it will change /var/lib/ to /var/lib [10:30] mvo: why does it hurt in the first place? [10:30] it won't change /var/lib [10:30] Mithrandir: oh, right [10:31] : tfheen@shonap ~ > foo=/var/lib [10:31] : tfheen@shonap ~ > echo ${foo%/} [10:31] /var/lib [10:31] : tfheen@shonap ~ > foo=/var/lib/ [10:31] : tfheen@shonap ~ > echo ${foo%/} [10:31] /var/lib [10:31] pitti: it does not really hurt, it just does not look nice and I wanted to know how others deal with it and if there is something I missed [10:31] mvo: if it's a real file, I use readlink -f [10:31] Mithrandir: thanks === lupusBE [~lupus@dD5E03FD1.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:37] Mithrandir: you don't need to trust the maintainer, .changes files in NEW are readable by developers and have the md5sums :) [10:37] daniels: mmm, what did you do to the bug report ? I didn't get it. [10:38] Kamion: did you have any chance to look at the pegasos yaboot-installer issue ? Or even managed to flash the machine ? [10:38] svenl: just changed the status from NEW (i.e. untouched) to ASSIGNED (meaning that I'll work on it) [10:38] Kamion: true, I forgot about that. [10:46] svenl: as I said to you, I flashed the machine but then ran into the yaboot-doesn't-boot-from-CD bug; I saw your comment yesterday that yaboot/netboot works fine, so I'm going to try that today [10:48] mvo: is UTF-8 support necessary for the udeb? [10:48] mvo: if so, I need to make changes to the packaging, as nano udeb uses SLang [10:50] jordi: Kamion knowns that better than I do, but I think it is not needed for the udeb (at least not for your testing deb) [10:53] ok [10:54] completely untested debs uploading to people.debian.org/~jordi/ === Cym [~zero@dialup-4.246.108.208.Dial1.SanJose1.Level3.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:56] mvo: initial testing shows some propblems with scrolling [10:57] but display is good. [10:57] I'll talk to david. Shouldn't take long to make it good. [10:57] jordi: thanks, just downloaded [10:57] uh [10:57] UTF-8 support would be really handy for the udeb; the installer is UTF-8 throughout [10:58] Kamion: does ubuntu use nano at all during the install? [10:58] jordi: hrm, it does not let me edit some german umlauts [10:58] I guess in expert mode it does [10:58] but be a bit careful, there's scary libslang-pic packaging there to do with how the initrd is built [10:58] mvo: what do you mean with edit? [10:58] jordi: nothing to do with expert mode, you can switch to tty2 and use nano [10:58] I can insert accents and or whatever. [10:58] Kamion: nod [10:59] Kamion: I can link the udeb with ncursesw or ncurses if it's enough. [10:59] so currently, debian-installer build-depends on slang1-utf8-pic [10:59] does anything else use ncursesw? [10:59] daniels (or any other .au-ians): what's a reasonable .au airline? [10:59] is that enough? [10:59] Kamion: according to configure, nope, but I can check more carefully. === koke [~koke@rm-001-26.serve.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:59] jordi: when I try to enter certain charackters that are fine in the gnome-terminal and vim (like <- capital) [11:00] jordi: a new dependency on ncursesw? we'd need to figure out scary library reduction stuff for that [11:00] Mithrandir: internal only? virgin blue or qantas are the two i've used [11:00] Kamion: if it's not in ubuntu's base system we can look if ncurses is enough [11:00] thom: yeah, from Sydney to Canberra for LCA [11:00] mvo: there's a flagrant byte vs char issue here. [11:00] jordi: no, it's not that; there's no libncurses*-pic so AFAIK library reduction won't work properly; and the contents of Ubuntu's base system are almost entirely irrelevant to what you can assume in the installer [11:01] jordi: I think for hoary maybe best just leave UTF-8 support out of the udeb, we can figure this sort of stuff out later [11:01] Kamion: ok. [11:02] this will be a lot easier once nano 1.4.0 is released I hope. [11:02] Mithrandir: virginblue.com.au are cheap, qantas.com.au are good (and better if you're connecting from an international flight) [11:02] I'll ping Daniel to see what needs to be done. [11:02] Kamion: is it common to find non-ASCII files when installing? [11:02] Mithrandir: but Qantas are your only option since Virgin don't fly out of Canberra [11:02] I guess the autogenerated fstab might have. [11:02] hi elmo, could you please sync mindi mondo (both fix an issue reported on the mailing list) fuse (needed for gmailfs transition) asc (new one shouldn't have unmet build-deps anymore) rox-filer conglomerate afterstep (quite a lot of bugfixes) and fluxbox (security issues) from sid, pretty please [11:03] daniels: ok, thanks. [11:03] I _hate_ airline booking systems. They all suck. [11:03] Mithrandir: yes. [11:03] Mithrandir, I tend to agree [11:04] I'm amazed that they manage to suck in more or less the same way. All of them. [11:04] ok, nano-tiny with slang has bad utf-8 issues [11:04] daniels: here? [11:05] Kamion: ah, yes, sorry, forgot about that. [11:05] Kamion: anything i can do for that ? [11:05] the qantas site wasn't _that_ bad. [11:05] jordi: I was trying to edit UTF-8 files with nano-udeb just yesterday ;) [11:05] jordi: not sure I'd call it "common" though === daniels looks at pitti, SSHes to chinstrap. [11:06] daniels: :-) === seb128 [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-8-113.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:06] Kamion: I think you're a fairly special use-case. :P [11:06] Hi seb128 [11:06] svenl: well, you're already looking at yaboot-from-CD, so apart from that I'll let you know once I get it netbooted :) [11:06] [NOT Updating - Modified] conglomerate_0.7.16-1ubuntu1 (vs 0.9.0-1) [11:06] [NOT Updating - Modified] fuse_1.3-1ubuntu1 (vs 2.2.1-1) [11:06] dholbach: ok to override? [11:06] in the meantime, time for a DVD test ... [11:06] Kamion: I see. :) [11:06] hey pitti [11:06] elmo: conglomerate yes [11:07] elmo: will have to check fuse first [11:07] jordi: (specifically I was testing UTF-8 names in /etc/passwd) [11:07] hey elmo [11:07] hi seb128 [11:07] elmo: openh323 / pwlib / gnomemeeting sync please :) [11:07] hmmmmm. initial DVD boot not so pretty. [11:07] Hi dholbach [11:07] [NOT Updating - Modified] gnomemeeting_1.2.0-2ubuntu2 (vs 1.2.1-1) [11:07] Kamion: ok. [11:08] seb128: k-to-override? [11:08] sec [11:08] hum [11:08] I'll merge it, thanks for noticing [11:08] but I need pwlib and openh323 for that [11:09] just pwlib and openh323, thanks [11:09] seb128: done [11:09] thank you [11:10] elmo: fuse will take me some time [11:10] elmo: thank you :-) [11:12] dholbach: ok, done all but fuse [11:12] elmo: you rock! thanks a lot :-) [11:14] fuse has some fixes to be able to build with our kenrels [11:14] and the kernel-image/linux-image changes [11:14] that's whay i did basically [11:15] fabbione: thanks... i'll check the debdiff of the last two versions [11:15] fabbione: an merge manually [11:15] elmo: can you please remove mozilla-firefox-locale-{fr,tr} ? [11:16] whoa, a DVD+RW shows up in parted as writable, so the partitioner offers you the chance to erase it. :) === seb128 slaps pitti [11:16] seb128: who needs french anyway? :-) === seb128 slaps pitti again :p [11:17] seb128: no, seriously, we already have -fr-fr from m-f-locale-all [11:17] bah, the question is rather [11:17] pitti: we have http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MorgueCandidates for that :-) [11:17] who needs firefox ? :p [11:17] seb128: uh, you do? [11:17] right [11:17] who needs firefox translations ? :p [11:18] Kamion: is todays daily ubuntu installer supposed to work ? [11:18] seb128: ... especially french ones? :p === pitti tests new warty kernel, brb [11:18] thom: ... which nobody understands anyway :-) [11:19] rooh === niran [~niran@lucianus.Stanford.EDU] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:24] ha ha [11:24] oh man [11:24] ? [11:24] dholbach: is nicole your girlfriend? :) [11:25] jdub: hahaaaahaaa, she really sent that mail.... she's my ex-girlfriend :-) === dholbach can't believe it [11:25] :-) [11:25] she obviously still thinks highly of you ;) [11:25] jdub: i think highly of her too === thom wonders how many more times people are gonna claim that having a root password is more secure than having locked root when the attacker has physical access === pitti [~martin@dialin-145-254-079-198.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:26] svenl: I haven't tried it yet === Simira [~simira@56.80-202-210.nextgentel.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:29] Kamion: seems to work, two days ago there where modules problems, but maybe i miscopied the vmlinux or something. [11:31] svenl: I'm not aware of problems today, although we're about to do another kernel ABI change so it's possible those sneaked in before the CD build or something [11:32] Kamion: mmm, any chance to get the gigabit ethernet driver fix in for the this new kernel ? [11:32] svenl: -> fabbione [11:32] svenl: if you have the patch handy yes [11:32] but you have like.. 10 minutes to give it to me [11:33] nothing against the fix but i need to start the build orgy prior upload [11:34] grr, why does the DVD install want the CD in the second stage? [11:34] er, the DVD, rather [11:34] Ok. [11:34] wrong hack in archive-copier? [11:34] dunno, it seemed to do its job OK [11:35] fabbione: get powerpc-mv643xx-enet.dpatch from the debian svn repo, this one went upstream for 2.6.12. [11:35] svenl: from 2.6.10 or 2.6.11? [11:35] and is it the only one required? [11:35] does it build on 2.6.10? [11:36] hmm; it wants gs-gpl.deb === Kamion suspects subtly broken dependencies [11:36] oh, and gs.deb [11:36] from 2.6.10 [11:36] err, 2.6.11 [11:36] jdub: you can't have industrial firefox; we're shipping http://people.zeelandnet.nl/marco/pimpzilla/images/pimpzilla.jpg [11:36] let me check. [11:36] is that the one with the torn paper? [11:37] well, it builds, but the i need to check if the patch applies cleanly. [11:37] oh yeah, that one [11:37] fabbione: then get http://people.debian.org/~luther/powerpc-mv643xx-eth-pegasos.dpatch [11:37] "upimpu" [11:37] pimpbuntu [11:38] jdub, kamion, mdz: any word on the gcc-3.4 upload, or did I miss your approval? diff on chinstrap:~doko/gcc-3.4.diff [11:38] daniels: you set #7558 (libxpm4) to pending, do you also have warty packages? [11:38] doko: i'll leave that one to mdz [11:38] svenl: is the patch on people enough or do i need both? [11:39] fabbione: the patch is split. [11:40] fabbione: powerpc-mv643xx-enet.dpatch is the arch-indep drivers patch that went upstream via dale fornsworth, while the one on p.d.o is the pegasos specific initialization part. [11:40] pitti: not right now, but I'm going to make them up later tonight [11:40] ah, ok [11:41] fabbione: can you quickly check if it applies, if not let's wait for another time, there is no way i can test this locally in the next 10 minutes, i don't have the source tarball for 2.6.10 here. [11:41] ok [11:41] fabbione: and no ubuntu chroot or such. [11:42] testing now [11:42] fabbione: also, what about adding the mkvmlinuz support script ? [11:42] svenl: one thing at a time please [11:42] fabbione: ok. [11:42] i already have enouhg stuff boiling on my desktop [11:43] fabbione: ok, no problem, just asking, altough the mkvmlinuz support is just to copy one file to kernel-source/debian prior to make-kpkg kernel-image, but this can wait for later. [11:43] svenl: just a second please.. i can even add it, but i need to focus on it... [11:44] jusst gimme a few secs === Xof [~mas01cr@158.223.59.22] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:44] fabbione: no problem. [11:47] svenl: it applies... but noidea if 1) compiles 2) works [11:48] what is the patch supposed to do? fix the driver? or is it just an enanchment? [11:50] ping jdub [11:51] elmo: sorry to nag you, but could you un-PaS ooo-amd64 for ia64 and tvtime for amd64? === froud-work [~froud@ndn-165-131-237.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:52] svenl: ok we will keep this changes for the next upoad (given that they won't destroy the ABI) [11:53] Mithrandir: done [11:53] elmo: thanks a lot [11:54] Kamion: ooo-amd64 should be a happy badger on ia64 now. === aj marvels that what mithrandir just said could possibly make any sense [11:56] aj: badgerbadgerbadgerbadger [11:56] hooray, thanks [11:56] aj: it should really be called ooo-32bitlibsfor64bitarches [11:56] or something [11:56] ooo-EVIL [11:57] damn, no caps in package names [11:57] either that, or just assume that it's because the ia64 really wants to be an amd64 when it grows up [11:57] daniels: oo, bendy? [11:57] ooo-3v17 [11:57] aj: grumble [11:57] daniels: *chuckle* [11:57] hrm [11:57] ooo-thispackageistollefsfaultblamehim [11:57] maybe that could be the t-shirt prize at this lca, pick a name for ubuntu's next release [11:58] daniels: ooo-izgtkboog [11:58] daniels: I like this one. [11:58] Treenaks: in the end, it's thom's fault. [11:58] jordi: as always === elmo glares at aj === Mithrandir multiarchifies daniels [11:59] elmo: yes, you're right, mail to mark is the way to suggest this, not mentioning it on irc! [12:00] fabbione: fix the driver, ok for the next upload, any idea when it will be ? [12:01] mvo: pong === Alessio [~Alessio@host113-4.pool8251.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:01] svenl: not really... but i can start testing immediatly after this upload [12:01] fabbione: ok. [12:01] svenl: i have the patches here.. if you update them, please let me know [12:01] fabbione: i will let you know. [12:02] fabbione: what about mkvmlinuz stuff ? [12:02] svenl: let's make it for the next upload too [12:02] so we can test everything [12:02] it makes me feel unconfortable to make changes now that i have been nuilding this kernel for 5 days [12:02] s/nuilding/building [12:03] svenl: if the changes are ok (no ABI breakage) i can upload the next kernel even tomorrow [12:04] that's not a problem [12:04] but i can't spend too much time today on it [12:04] fabbione: have a look at #7651 as well then (microscopic fix for a panic) [12:05] Treenaks: please remind me later or tomorrow [12:05] fabbione: ok === trukulo [~mzarza@26.Red-81-45-239.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:09] fabbione: ok, fine with me. [12:09] fabbione: the changes are not touching the ABI, to my knolwedge, but please check. [12:10] svenl: yes i will [12:10] do you guys expect sabdl to come to IRC sometime this morning? [12:10] sabdfl, even [12:11] jordi: he was here this mornign [12:11] fabbione: bah, missed him then === ajmitch [~ajmitch@port163-141.ubs.maxnet.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:18] Kamion: are you still around? [12:18] i forgot to ask you something... [12:18] Kamion: [12:18] * Fix hppa FTBFS: [12:18] - Remove debian/d-i/hppa/modules/hppa/nfs-modules.lnk since all nfs is [12:18] compiled in. [12:19] do i need to make kernel-image Provides: nfs-modules? [12:21] seb128: openh323 seems to deserve a kick, because it depended on newly built pwlib, or am i wrong? [12:26] dholbach: lemme me check, you are reading the build logs every 5 min or what ? :) [12:26] dholbach: are you sure it's not in dep-wait ? [12:27] seb128: it didnt build first, but now it seems to be alright [12:27] k [12:28] seb128: i'm waiting for them to build, to get t38modem ohphone asterisk openam openmcu gnugk synced ;-) [12:30] Kamion: what's your take on a simplied ''bash completions'' one that just handles sudo/su re-handoff === fabbione -> shower -> food === sladen is relieved to find that fabbione washes [12:33] sladen: yeah... once a year [12:33] you are lucky that UDU is pretty soon ;) [12:33] lol === d3vic3 makes note not to share rooms with fabbione [12:34] d3vic3: why, he will never block the shower :-) [12:35] pitti, heh, thats the problem [12:35] gosh, bugzilla sucks through a slow link [12:36] 2005-03-15 Alan Hourihane [12:36] * programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/drivers/i810/i830_driver.c [12:36] * programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/drivers/i810/i830_modes.c [12:36] Enforce DDC monitor ranges usage if we have them and reject bad [12:36] modes. Use NoDDC option to override DDC timings. We currently [12:36] only use DS_RANGES, but could use other DDC information, as does [12:36] the common layer, to deduce the h/v ranges. [12:37] pitti: that'll be the SSL [12:37] HHHHUUUULLLLKKKKK SSSSMMMMMAAASSSSSHHHHHH [12:37] sladen: I rather think it might be the huuuuuge package list that is delivered with each page? [12:37] 'we could actually make this driver halfway useful. but we're not.' [12:38] pitti: oh yes, that too. that could really do with being switched to a Google-suggest RPC requestion leetness [12:39] sladen: patches... ;-) [12:40] pitti: it's not huge, it's 2-300k. :) [12:40] Mithrandir: it's huge if you download this with a 56 kbps link [12:40] Mithrandir: my main network is down :-( [12:40] 2-300k of uncacheable, uncompressable joy [12:41] mjg59: with a little bit of tweaking, this could rescue i8xx acpi/dri for hoary [12:41] thom: fsvo 'joy' [12:41] thom: it can be cached. [12:41] pitti: now you see why I complained so much while I was on dialup [12:41] just set browser.cache.disk_cache_ssl to true [12:41] in FF [12:41] Mithrandir: nope, it's ssl, browser won't cache by default [12:41] thom: "by default". User can change it. :) === froud-work [~froud@ndn-165-131-237.telkomadsl.co.za] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [12:42] daniels: I feel with you === thom wonders whether this will fix firefox bidi crap [12:42] daniels: Mm? [12:42] daniels: this bastard of admin went to holidays without giving anybody the passwords. *grrrrr* [12:42] daniels: Oh, shit. That means Do the DRM patch, doesn't it? [12:43] mjg59: possibly make i830 usable for desktops -> not booting the HEAD code out [12:43] mjg59: you know what time it is [12:44] Time for me to write my GUADEC paper, do a submission for Debconf, write code for work, do 3 hours of teaching, tell my landlord that we're not paying a bill, organise travel to .au and, uhm? [12:44] mjg59: what should we do with swap after a busted hibernate? is unconditional mkswap towards the end of rcS or so reasonable? [12:44] mjg59: yeah, I've still got my LCA paper. :\ [12:44] thom: I talked to jbailey about this - make the mkswap conditional on there being a swsusp header [12:46] mmm, that completion list could be cut in 1/3rd just by storing it more efficently [12:47] sladen: gzip JS decoder? [12:49] Mithrandir: hahah. Nope, it's sending both indexs; a[123] = "foo"; b["foo"] = 123; except that 'a' and 'b' are both 15 characters long and indented; and the email address is being send (when most are duplicated) [12:50] sladen: sounds wasted, yes. === doko wonders if fabbione sees more cpus on davis than me ... [12:51] grep physical.id | sort -u ? [12:53] Mmm, what is the "starting periodic command scheduler" supposed to do ? [12:53] svenl: cron? [12:54] Mithrandir: any particular reason why the post-install boot should die at this point (true, i had to hard-reboot it because of missing input but still). [12:55] svenl: no, not really. PPc? [12:55] s/c/C/ [12:55] Mithrandir: yep. [12:55] you don't have noapic and friends, then? [12:56] its sitting there since a couple of minutes. [12:56] ok, i will reinstall, just to be sure i didn't hose something. [12:56] Mithrandir: no, none of this stuff. [12:56] Mithrandir: it used to work earlier even. [12:56] unsure, then [12:57] ctr-alt-del brings the box down, so its not dead. [12:57] i'd love to know where people come up with the numbers of ubuntu staff [12:57] thom: oh? [12:57] where? [12:58] Mithrandir: http://www.grep.be/blog/2005/03/15#release_meeting_retort in this case [12:58] it gets better! Aswell as the 659kB file, there's a 295kB .js with a duplicate set of data too [12:58] 1MB per refresh. r. [12:59] elmo: could you please sync t38modem ohphone zaptel openam openmcu gnugk ? [12:59] thom: actually, somebody posted ~30 in the big flame thread. [01:00] thom: somebody interpreted that as "30 DDs working 24/7 working on ubuntu" rather than "30 canonical employees" [01:00] Mithrandir: someone -> keybuk [01:00] which is slightly frustrating; canonical has more than 30 employees, and the distro team certainly doesn't have anywhere near 30 [01:00] Mithrandir: ha ha ha 30! [01:01] fabbione: yes, provides: nfs-modules would be good for correctness [01:01] I think someone official from canonical/ubuntu cited 36 somewhere public recently. [01:01] fabbione: not critical, but good :) [01:01] Kamion: roger that.. done :-) [01:02] dholbach: done [01:02] svenl: that's total canonical staff, which is utterly not the same thing [01:02] and it's not even correct [01:03] svenl: doesn't sound too far off; but again, that's all of Canonical, only about 15 of those work on Ubuntu [01:03] we're closer to 50 [01:03] 50 now? wow [01:03] DDs ? [01:03] ogra: the majority, but not all [01:03] err? [01:03] ogra: majority of those working on Ubuntu, that is [01:03] not the majority of Canonical staff [01:03] thats what i thought [01:04] thom: well, i am just saying where i believe the idea comes from. [01:04] elmo: you rock! [01:04] Kamion: but then you have to count the whole lot of people who work on ubuntu without working for ubuntu -> non-full-time-employees and such. [01:04] dholbach: dude, syncs are insanely easy - you should really be less grateful :) [01:04] svenl: sure, but those are equivalent to the people working on Debian in the same way [01:05] and there are many fewer people working for Ubuntu like that; it's, what, 10, 20? [01:05] Kamion: the main problem is one of comunication, i personally know more about ubuntu now that a couple of month ago, but i am still not confortable with the whole thing, and i bet many others may feel the same way. [01:06] elmo: we'll need to sync nessus-plugins soon from debian because upstream claims our version is not redistributable (not now, still wait for a mail from him) [01:06] Kamion: although being MASTERS OF THE UNIVERSE, they count for like, three people each. [01:06] Kamion: i think the main problem is the high amount of debian high profile folk working fulltime for ubuntu or something, and especially those in the 'not-enough-time' position to fullfill their debian roles, i don't say this is rational, but this is what i feel the feeling at large are to some degree. [01:07] elmo: i _am_ grateful: look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseUnmetDeps - i'm absolutely happy for every entry we can kick from it :-) [01:07] svenl: for somebody who isn't saying it's rational, you do seem to be mentioning it more than anyone else ... :-) [01:08] Kamion: because it may not be fully rational doesn't mean we don't feel like it. [01:08] jdub: woohoo! [01:08] svenl: in that case, it probably doesn't help to go around repeating it [01:09] jdub, yay [01:09] Kamion: bah, let's go back to work instead, already lost enough time with yesterday's craziness. [01:09] daniels: #7664> I wonder if I can come up with a way to allow d-i components to request packages to be installed by base-config === ajmitch_ [~ajmitch@port163-67.ubs.maxnet.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:09] daniels: but thanks, that should solve it [01:10] thom: #7463 [01:10] Kamion: mmm ... yeah [01:11] Kamion: it was either an undeclared dep or stupid package placement in any case (fwiw, it was the latter) [01:14] daniels: ok, if you could put a note in that bug when it's sorted, I'll retest and see if that fixes Greek installs; it was a bit subtle so I'm not entirely sure I can pin it down to just one thing [01:14] Kamion: yeah, should be uploaded tonight [01:14] Kamion: BTW, what is with this failure to detect that there is no keyboard when using the serial console ? [01:14] although I guess I could comment out the unifont installation and see if that fixes it ... will try that noe [01:14] now [01:14] svenl: not familiar with that issue === Goshawk [~Goshawk@host104-46.pool8251.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:15] jbailey: thanks [01:15] Kamion: the keyboard dialog comes up, and you get asked about three choices. continuing without keyboard fails, asking to detect keyboard with a few keystrokes makes the whole thing continue as it should. [01:15] svenl: oh, I blame smurfix :) [01:16] I don't think his new keyboard selector has been tested on serial console much at all [01:16] kbd-chooser bug would be good [01:16] ok, will do so at next install, so i have the real message under the eye. [01:16] seb128: ping === chlunde [~chlunde@nemi.ping.uio.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:17] svenl: cool, thanks [01:18] herzi: you asked me about pegasos support earlier. [01:18] herzi: do you want the OF upgrade that allows to try an installation with yaboot ? === pitti [~martin@dialin-145-254-078-031.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:20] svenl: yes, but i won't upgrade/install the pegasos now as my other production system went to the vendor yesterday (no image anymore with any graphics device) and I don't plan to break my last production system too [01:20] herzi: pong [01:21] seb128: 7686 [01:21] this one seems to be an easy fix [01:21] herzi: ok, tell me when you are ready for it and i will send it to you. [01:21] herzi: I'll have a look thanks [01:22] svenl: i guess we're talking about 4 weeks === blawk [~blawk___@ACB14BF0.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:23] heya folks [01:23] mjg59: rock. this is entirely doable. === koke [~koke@rm-001-26.serve.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:31] herzi: [01:31] $ find gnome-doc-utils-0.1.3/ -name "*template*" [01:32] $ [01:32] Mithrandir: OOo restored to ia64 desktop [01:32] Kamion: I guess t-bone is happy, then. [01:34] re [01:39] sladen: no opinion really, guess it seems reasonable as long as it cooperates with the normal completion file === Nafallo [~nafallo@h170n11c1o1027.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === d3vic3 [~d3vic3@dumbledore.hbd.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:43] fabbione: ping? [01:43] pong [01:44] fabbione: would it be usefull to drop mplayer-custom and make mplayer-nogui on all arches with only INDEP? === ajmitch_ [~ajmitch@port162-45.ubs.maxnet.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:45] Nafallo: i am not working on mplayer right now. i have more important things to do [01:45] fabbione: oki. === fabbione kicks pitti [01:46] fabbione: ? [01:46] not another glibc update! [01:46] fabbione: as always, this will be the really last one :-) [01:46] you are killing my buildd :-) [01:46] I asked more of the reason that I would like to work on it. But only if people here liked that idea to happen. [01:47] Nafallo: if you want to work on it, go ahead [01:47] i have nothing against it [01:47] elmo: and if you now please could sync asterisk and pstngw i'd be happy for the rest of the day :-) [01:47] fabbione: oki. -custom gets deprecated then :-) [01:47] when i enabled amd64/ppc build on saturday i was just bored [01:48] make sure to fix the ppc FTBFS [01:49] fabbione: I'll try. I haven't got that ARCH to test on :-/. [01:49] neither do i === Nafallo goes to check the auctions for cheap ppc-machines ;-) * [01:51] pitti: Err, I have a bug against glibc that mdz assigned to me yesterday that he wants fixed... So possibly one more. =) [01:51] jbailey: D'oh, I uploaded ten minutes ago... [01:51] pitti: I haven't triaged this at all, sorry. [01:51] ah, ok [01:52] Nafallo, for a start you shoud apply for MOTU if you want to help with that [01:53] ogra: mplayer is in multiverse still, no? :-) [01:53] Nafallo, yup [01:53] Nafallo, thats why i said that :) [01:55] ogra: I've found something to study that includes FOSS-development. I want to learn to fix things before taking on any responsibility for those stuff :-). [01:55] elmo: is adare down? [01:55] sivang: around? === Amaranth [~travis@amaranth.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:55] (or any other hebrew reader) [01:55] ogra: you /will/ get to see my as a MOTU most likely, but when I feel I can grook that :-). [01:56] Nafallo, yay, great :) [01:57] sivang: is http://people.ubuntu.com/~thom/firefox-hebrew-current.png rendered the right way round? === Goshawk [~Goshawk@host104-46.pool8251.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:03] elmo: can you sync gtkpod 0.88-1 please [02:04] whoohoo! [02:04] it looks like we're actually going to support every i8xx device out of the box in hoary. [02:04] new patch? === daniels goes to sleep, relieved that we're not actually massively regressing support. [02:05] tseng: new patches + new ideas [02:05] rock on [02:08] Need to get 0B/47,0MB of source archives. [02:08] hell! [02:08] l-r-m is bloating at speed light [02:09] yeah, fglrx is growing by about 20mb every release, i swear === d3vic3 [~d3vic3@dumbledore.hbd.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti goes to uni to get some bandwith, bbl [02:15] doko: davis has done. === kent [~kent@83.249.58.143] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:19] daniels, is there a tool to get the currently running display frequency ? from xdpyinfo i can only get size and depth.... [02:19] fabbione: thanks [02:20] daniels, (i need this info for hwdb client) [02:20] ogra: probably you can grab them either via libxf86vm [02:20] or from the log [02:20] i don't think there is too much exposure of these info to "userland" [02:21] hmm, the log is a good idea...i have it already in a variable.... [02:21] since nobody, other than the server and user, cares [02:21] hmm, probably the monitor too ;) [02:21] well clearly [02:24] ccache is the single best invention of the millenium [02:25] thom: it is buggy tho [02:25] i care not; it works for firefox for me [02:25] it tends to deadlock when you build with -j$oddnumber [02:25] specially on ppc [02:27] fabbione: build with -j$evennumber then [02:28] Treenaks: that's boring === azeem [~mbanck@socks-out.lrz-muenchen.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marcin_ [~marcin@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:37] svenl: Gah. Can you reproduce the thing without a serial console? === zul [~chuck@198.62.158.205] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:38] heylo [02:38] howdy! [02:38] hey Treenaks [02:39] hai zul [02:39] hey dholbach [02:39] firefox 1.0.1 uploading, y'all have a nice day now [02:39] thom: you rock so hard! [02:39] nice [02:39] wooooohoooo! [02:40] 1.0.1 really is very boring *shrug* [02:40] boring in what sense? [02:40] thom: it will make ubuntu more leet! [02:40] no funny memory leaks anymore? [02:40] in that it fixes some security problems, most of which we'd already fixed, and thats about it [02:41] hm [02:41] hrm [02:42] 1.1 is the interesting one, but the schedule for that is that it releases sometime around the same time we release hoary === seb128_ [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-51-134.w83-196.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:43] what about firefox_1.0.1.really.is.CVS-1.1? ;-) === Goshawk [~Goshawk@host104-46.pool8251.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:43] dholbach: wrooooong! [02:43] :) [02:43] ;-) [02:43] uh, no :-) [02:44] what's it with huge C++ projects and huge memory leaks going hand in hand? :P [02:44] dunno if that's c++ specific [02:45] dholbach: well, gnome has some leaks, but not really major afaik [02:45] dholbach: and they're working on it for .12 === Alessio [~Alessio@host113-4.pool8251.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:45] Treenaks: you mean stuff like FF eating some hundred megs of ram? [02:45] Mithrandir: multiple hundreds, yes [02:46] dholbach: http://www.mozilla.org/projects/firefox/roadmap.html [02:46] Adobe Reader 7.0 for Linux is "final" === dholbach read too much adobe reader in the last 24h [02:46] *shudder* [02:46] bleah.. [02:46] heh [02:47] dholbach: evince++ [02:47] yeah [02:47] tseng: yeah [02:47] well its still better than xpdf [02:47] meh [02:47] thom: oh i see... yes === HiddenWolf [~hidden@136.228.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marcin_ant [~marcin@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marcin_ [~marcin@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === decko [decko@decko.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [~pitti@141.30.117.20] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:53] Hi again [02:54] pitti: how are you coping in bugzilla with bugs that only affect warty? [02:54] (ie, how do you mark them?) [02:54] thom: if we need to fix them, I don't know better than just writing this fact into a comment [02:54] thom: if hoary is already fixed, you could set the Target Milestone [02:55] Treenaks, where is adobe 7.0 "final" ? === pitti guesses that thom uploaded firefox 1.0.1 :-) [02:55] trukulo: ftp://ftp.adobe.com/pub/adobe/reader/unix/7x/7.0/enu/ === marcin_ant [~marcin@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:55] trukulo: should be in the trash can finally :-) [02:56] dholbach, sure :) but wanna see it first [02:56] trukulo: it won't be good for your eyes though [02:57] dholbach, probably, but here ppl use very strange things in pdf [02:57] i can imagine [02:57] pitti: well, waiting for the fricking tarball to go up, yeah [02:57] cool === dredg wonders if phpbb2 can be synced from debian (security fixes) === HWolf [~hidden@136.54.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === eruin [~eruin@eruin.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel === HiddenWolf [~hidden@136.54.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [~carlos@69.Red-80-33-181.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:15] hrm, that's quite neat. search results that don't match the regexp ^\[warty\] [03:15] bugzilla isn't all awfull [03:16] dredg: new upstream version? [03:16] pitti: yes [03:16] pitti: there are a number of holes in the current ubuntu version [03:16] dredg: yes, I read about them [03:16] these are fixed in the current debian unstable package [03:16] dredg: it's amazing how many holes this software has, it's more like a network :-) [03:17] pitti: i know :-/ it's pretty frightening [03:17] dredg: I'm fine with a sync, but mdz should confir [03:17] m [03:17] i wonder if secunia have a "most hole ridden oftware" award [03:17] pitti: sure. [03:18] dredg: oh, ethereal could make rank #1, too :-) [03:18] new kernel is ACCEPTED [03:18] fabbione: thanks [03:18] fabbione: just released the Warty kenrel [03:18] pitti: no problem. [03:18] i am waiting for the kernel to build to release l-r-m [03:18] fabbione: btw, this API break checker sounds really interesting :-) [03:19] yay for ffox 1.0.1 [03:19] oh rock on thom [03:20] pitti: it will save us from embarassing situation like breaking external modules [03:20] mozilla-firefox_1.0.1-2ubuntu1_source.changes ACCEPTED [03:20] but it is still semi-automatic [03:20] a lot of work needs to be done manually [03:20] fabbione: does it reliably work or is it more like a heuristics? [03:20] it works [03:20] reliably === magnon_ [~magnon@cD908888B.sdsl.catch.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:21] neat, also for future Hoary security update [03:21] given that: 1) you feed him proper data 2) you don't enable the overrides [03:21] fabbione: how does it work, is the build FTBFS if it breaks the ABI without bumping? [03:21] pitti: this is the only reason why it has been added pre-hoary [03:21] pitti: correct.. check out the code from baz [03:21] pitti: because security is all your... [03:21] rock [03:22] dildo? [03:22] you need to get used to it.. not me :) [03:22] ahahha === mako_ [mako@micha.hampshire.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === azeem [~mbanck@socks-out.lrz-muenchen.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach wonders what the security team's t-shirt will look like ;-P [03:25] dildo ? [03:25] ogra: pitti: because security is all your... [03:25] fabbione surely has some ideas for it === Keybuk [~scott@descent.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:25] cigaro [03:25] heh [03:25] Hey Keybuk [03:26] heyhi [03:26] we will see pitti going around with a huge condom all over his body [03:26] pitti: dholbach wonders what the security team's t-shirt will look like ;-P [03:26] ;) [03:26] this is security :-) [03:26] *lol* [03:26] yeah [03:26] hahahahaaaa [03:26] Keybuk: look behind! a three-headed Replaces: bug [03:26] pitti: it's ok, it'll eat you, not me :p === pitti has to exercise scaring people much harder === xuzo [~xuzo@bolgo.cent.uji.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [~carlos@69.Red-80-33-181.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:39] what happened to the talk of syncing dbus 0.23.1 [03:40] holy j; that kernel changelog is massive [03:41] HiddenWolf: isnt it :) [03:41] what did you guys do, take a shot at linux 3.0? ;) [03:42] nah, security fixes, and re-sync with debian [03:42] apparently, some people do care about stability :) [03:43] Is some one Lamont Jones here? I just saw from bugzilla that he added "kernel-bugs@lists.ubuntucom" to the inotify-bug, which i think lacks a ".com" :) [03:43] kent: that would be lamont [03:43] lots of security fixes; holy hell. [03:43] kent: bug #? [03:43] kent: ill fix it wheich number [03:43] kent; it just misses the . [03:43] zul, Kamion Mithrandir 5431 [03:44] zul: you'll fix it? [03:44] in the LiveCD, where do I configure the firefox startpage ? [03:44] cc: edit -> preferences? [03:45] fixed already looks like it in the q-a contact kent [03:45] Treenaks: no, i'm trying to cook my own LiveCD. so i want it as a default preference [03:45] cc: /etc/mozilla-firefox/pref/firefox.js ? === Sepheebear [~SepheeBea@24-193-111-253.nyc.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:46] zul, Well I just saw what looked like a typo, and have not got a new mail from that bug so I thought perhaps it was not fixed. Did I miss something? [03:46] kent: it has the "." in the q-a contact [03:47] kent: kernel-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com [03:49] zul, ok. I just read the mail I got from bugzilla and there, under Added, it says "kernel-bugs@lists.ubuntucom". Perhaps bugzilla reports wrong then? Or is it fixed in bugzilla it self, so i got not new message about it? Just curius :) (and yes, i dont know how to spell that, haha) :) [03:49] kent: not sure maybe it was a hiccup [03:50] cc: you've to change the source of it [03:51] amu: yes, thanks. i just did [03:51] hmm, from the topic of #ubuntu: nvidia is broken in hoary with kernel 2.6.10-26 [03:51] isnt that a bit obsolete ? [03:51] oh yes [03:51] its fixed in -27 [03:51] becaue people starting to compile their ati drivers based on this info :-P [03:51] because even [03:52] if they havent upgraded from -26 then its still broken its been fixed in -27 and above [03:52] so someone with access should change it i guess [03:53] what is the prefered way to file a bug on a package? [03:53] bugzilla [03:54] for a universe package? [03:54] debians bugzilla? [03:54] evarlast, ubuntu-users mailing list [03:54] to file a bug? [03:54] yes [03:54] hrm. I'll have to subscribe? [03:54] we are working on a universe bug tracker [03:54] until we have http://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone [03:54] but its not ready for general use. [03:55] hrm, ok. [03:55] ok everyone... see you later *wave* [03:55] evarlast, btw, which package ? [03:55] socks4-server [03:55] it should depend on libsocks4 but it does not. === Kamion_ [~cjwatson@host81-153-126-219.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jlj [~agp@host-81-191-64-79.bluecom.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi_ [~wasabi@207.55.180.100] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Alessio [~Alessio@host113-4.pool8251.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:08] Kamion: both kernel and l-r-m are up.. we only need to wait for the binaries [04:08] fabbione: yep, I've just seeded the udebs [04:08] perfect [04:08] we miss linux-meta.. don't we? [04:09] yeah [04:09] and elmo to promote the bins [04:09] (+ bless them with NEW) [04:10] i am off for 30 minutes... [04:10] I have a debian-installer upload ready [04:10] i need a little break [04:10] cool [04:10] i think we could actually automate all this mess with a queue [04:11] where we stock all the sources [04:11] and it will start uploading the kernel [04:11] wait 2 hours [04:11] upload l-r-m [04:11] wait 30 minutes [04:11] and so on.... [04:11] seed in the meanwhile [04:11] kick elmo or katie or any of elmo's gf [04:11] hmmm [04:11] well later :-) [04:11] we've kind of got the hang of it, though :) [04:15] woop, i fixored the hebrew madness [04:23] thom: are the palestians safe now? === zul smacks HiddenWolf [04:25] no politics here :) === HiddenWolf grins [04:25] Sorry zul, couldn't resist this one [04:29] Does anybody know where /usr/share/omf/upx-ucl-beta/upx-ucl-beta-C.omf comes from? [04:32] smurfix: yes, sure. [04:33] svenl: It's a malformed XML file.:-/ [04:35] Anyone here got a sata_via machine? Looks like another bug... [04:35] smurfix: interesting; it's probably generated by doc-base so there's a bug somewhere [04:35] jbailey: sure [04:35] thom: The "&" character isn't escaped. [04:36] thom: I'll look at it. [04:36] smurfix: anything i can do to help ? [04:36] smurfix: hrm, i'm pretty sure i'd fixed that [04:36] Kamion: can we do a ntpdate in the installer early? comment #3 in #7536 asks for this [04:37] thom: 7630 looks like in order to see the pata cdrom drive, that ide-generic has to be loaded after everything but isn't. Do you see the same thing? [04:37] smurfix: oh, no [04:37] i'll fix now [04:37] jbailey: yes, I have a sata_via; I think the CD-ROM drive is just ATAPI though [04:37] I don't see that bug [04:37] thom: OK, I'll not look at it then. ;-) [04:38] mvo: bah, thought I'd worked around that bug in d-i, didn't realise ubuntu-keyring also cared [04:38] Kamion: Thanks. [04:38] Kamion: I fixed ubuntu-keyring [04:38] mvo: it's hard, because ntpdate isn't available at the right times === herzi [~herzi@c167132.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:39] Kamion: Hmm, do I build an ntpdate-udeb for that, or would it be too late anyway? [04:40] smurfix: I think that's the only possible option, but TBH I think it's OK for ubuntu-keyring to just use the GPG option to ignore clock problems [04:40] as I think mvo has done [04:40] jbailey: my /etc/modules contains ide_generic already; i'll try rebooting without that and see what happens [04:40] thom: Thanks. [04:41] (after firefox finished building ;-) ) [04:41] smurfix: and, as the bug reporter says, it should be made to work even if the network isn't up === Mithrandir kicks warty's hotplug [04:41] thom: No worries. =) === xuzo [~xuzo@bolgo.cent.uji.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:42] hah, two bugs in a row where I know the reporters in person [04:42] Kamion: It might make sense to have a sane clock while you're installing, but ... it's something to add post-Hoary I'd say. [04:43] smurfix: very little cares, I think gpg is the only thing that's cared so far [04:44] mm, i did a clean install, and it dies in Starting periodic command scheduler still :/ [04:44] Kamion: I managed to do that once. Directory mod times somewhen in 2008. Oh well. ;-) [04:46] Kamion: how can you specify an initrd= argument in yaboot's command line ? [04:46] jbailey: notice that yaboot doesn't have grub2's big initrd size problem. [04:47] yay, hotplug has been running for six minutes now. [04:47] svenl: you can't [04:47] svenl: initrd booting with yaboot requires a yaboot.conf [04:47] svenl: Last I checked, yaboot couldn't load an initrd at all on the pegasos. [04:49] Kamion: figured so. Is there a way to disable the quiet thingy online to see why it dies in the periodic command scheduler ? It didn't do that last week. [04:49] jbailey: ah, you need a new OF upgrade. [04:49] jbailey: email address ? [04:49] svenl: Then perhaps grub2 will work then too? Who knows. Marco thinks that there shouldn't be any limitations and was suspecting an OF bug. [04:50] svenl: jbailey@ubuntu.com Is this the one that ate someone's motherboard? [04:50] jbailey: what i mean by that is that it is probably a grub2 problem in how it allocates memory, not an OF bug. [04:50] impressive. /etc/init.d/hotplug start takes about 13 minutes to run on this dual 2.2GHz opteron system. [04:50] smurfix: uploaded [04:50] svenl: mm, I guess I'd edit /target/etc/yaboot.conf before the reboot [04:50] Mithrandir: Ouch. Does it take that long on a restart? [04:51] Kamion: mmm, problem is i already rebooted. [04:51] jbailey: it takes a fair amount of time at least [04:51] Kamion: maybe booting in single user will drop me to a shell before that. [04:51] should really add a recovery mode to the generated yaboot.conf [04:51] svenl: boot with init=/bin/sh [04:52] Kamion: maybe booting in single user will drop me to a shell before that. [04:52] yeah, that is an option too. [04:52] Mithrandir: Wait, you said this is warty's hotplug, right? Is it worth fixing? [04:52] jbailey: it's warty's hotplug, yes. [04:52] jbailey: it's fixed in hoary. [04:53] so I'm just going to upgrade [04:53] Kamion: if i did do that, i probabl would have no keyboard driver or something such. [04:53] Damn, removing quiet doesn't help, i guess i need to remove splash too. === carlos [~carlos@69.Red-80-33-181.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === x4m [~max@171.160-136-217.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mitario [~michiel@sikkes.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:54] hi everyone [04:54] mvo, we got cvs.gnome.org aproval :) [04:55] mvo, hi btw ;-) [04:55] svenl: hotplug-in-initramfs will fix that I think, but not for hoary ... [04:55] svenl: single-user mode should get you a shell before cron startup, though, yes === herzi [~herzi@c167132.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:55] svenl: removing quiet won't help, the init script output stuff is not controlled by either [04:55] Mitario: that's good news, cool! === Sym [~zero@dialup-4.246.90.144.Dial1.SanJose1.Level3.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:57] Kamion: amd64 is all done (and the only one) [04:59] why not arch.gnome.org? [04:59] :-) [05:00] kent: gah! [05:00] Kamion: mmm, why doesn't booting with 's' ask for the root password, is this not a security hole ? [05:00] zul: it's a _BUNCH_ of them. [05:00] hey lamont === lamont goes to fix the lot [05:01] lamont: can you check if ppc and i386 are building the kernel? [05:01] they are taking longer than usual.... [05:01] svenl: If you have console access, all bets are off, but in general, there is no set root password. [05:01] probably they hit a buildd with no ccache [05:01] fabbione: checking [05:01] thanks [05:02] svenl: All best are off security-wise that is. [05:02] jbailey: console access ? you mean ubuntu is useless for unattended machines, right ? [05:02] fabbione: royal (ppc) is just finishing, i386 has a ways to go [05:02] lamont: cool, thanks [05:02] lamont: i know.. see /topic on #u-k :-) === lamont grumbles at jdub about his "-1 kernel-bugs moderator requests pending" [05:03] thom: can I please have libreadline4-dev in hoary-dchroot on davis? [05:03] svenl: No, as in if you have physical access to a machine, something as flimsy as a root password isn't going to stop you from doing what you want to it. [05:03] jbailey: well, ... [05:03] jbailey: it's still good practice to ask for it. [05:03] anyway, why would /etc/init.d/cron hang ? [05:04] ormaybe the stuff after it is hanging :/ [05:05] mmm, the next one would be rmnologin. [05:06] lamont: bitch bitch bitch :) [05:06] nope, breaks. === lamont back in a couple [05:07] Kamion: when did you do a new install last ? [05:07] svenl,HiddenWolf: booting with init=/bin/sh doesn't ask you for the root password either, which is not Ubuntu-specific; if you have an unattended machine you need better measures than a root password, such as a BIOS (or equivalent) password, or physical locks [05:07] svenl: about ten minutes ago [05:08] jbailey: confirmed [05:08] Kamion: and it worked fine for you ? [05:08] svenl: yep, i386 install [05:08] Kamion: true, just surprising. [05:08] Kamion: what about x86 ? [05:08] jbailey: with no ide-generic i see no pata devices at all [05:08] it was an i386 install that worked fine for me; just giving information [05:08] here it dies in crontab on entering runlevel 2. doing /etc/init.d/cron start in single user worked fine. [05:09] Kamion: what about ppc, i mean. [05:09] thom: Can you tell me what's in /proc/ide ? [05:09] svenl: haven't tried powerpc yet today [05:10] I'm burning the powerpc daily now [05:10] mmm, i put an exit in /etc/init.d/cron, and it stops at the deffered command scheduler, strange. [05:11] is this pegasos? serial console? === bradb [~bradb@MTL-ppp-144647.qc.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:11] peg, normal console. [05:11] 'k [05:11] atkbd. [05:12] hmmmmm. configuring timezone on live CD considered interesting. === Skeezix [~jamin@cust-24.241.99.54.cbnstl.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Alessio [~Alessio@host113-4.pool8251.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:25] morning [05:25] hey mdz [05:25] morning mdz [05:25] hi mdz [05:26] hey mdz [05:26] Mithrandir, elmo: I most certainly did not say to change the version number; in fact I explicitly said that the .dsc and .diff.gz should be identical [05:27] mdz: yes, which is what happened here. [05:27] mdz: I just edited the changes file. [05:28] Mithrandir: where did the ubuntu version number come from? [05:28] mdz: what ubuntu version number? [05:28] oh, I misread what elmo said [05:28] : tfheen@vawad ~ > apt-cache show mcelog | grep ^Version [05:28] Version: 0.3-1 [05:29] oh, ok [05:29] :) [05:31] Kamion: please confirm to me that your install worked on ppc once you did it, ok ? [05:33] hmm [05:33] TFTP error 2: Access violation [05:34] Kamion: you are using tftpboot ? [05:34] maybe it wants yaboot.conf in / [05:34] svenl: yeah [05:34] Kamion: err, tftpd. [05:34] tftpd-hpa [05:34] use atftpd instead. [05:34] urgh [05:34] can I use tftpd-hpa with a different root directory? [05:35] ah, don't know about tftpd-hpa variant, but plain tftpd has this idea about searching absolute names in / and not in /tftpboot like it is told. [05:35] right, it's configurable in -hpa at least [05:35] maybe just remove all leading / to make them relative names will fix this. [05:35] I have it set to / by default for i386, but ... [05:35] I'll try that but I think it's still looking for yaboot.conf [05:36] Kamion: i don't know for -hpa, but plain tftpd didn't respect me saying it should look in /tftpboot. [05:36] Kamion: look at your syslog to see what tftpd tried to serve ? [05:36] doko: libstdc++6 -> libstdc++60? [05:36] svenl: it's looking for /etc/yaboot.conf (!) [05:37] Kamion: yep, but in /etc, not in /tftpboot/etc/yaboot.conf. [05:37] even so :) [05:37] Kamion: install atftpd instead, works much better. [05:38] -s Change root directory on startup. [05:38] I'll use that option, then I don't have to have different tftp daemons to cope with different architectures [05:38] Kamion: i know, it is configured in /etc/inetd.conf, but it fails to respect the configuration. [05:38] ok. [05:39] thom: fabbione says that the -28 kernel has some sata fixes that might solve this in another way. [05:39] Kamion: maybe i should chop off the leading / in the path OF asks over tftp ? Do you know if apple hardware works with tftpd ? [05:40] svenl: it's worked for me before [05:40] thom: Are you able to do another reboot? [05:40] jbailey: sure [05:40] is -28 up for amd64 anywhere? === rjo [~jordens@rjo.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:40] thom: archive.u.c [05:41] ah, yes [05:41] hoary-changes just finished opening [05:41] Kamion: next time you netboot a pmac, can you look at syslog to see what /tftpboot served, and if it has a a leading / [05:41] Kamion: also, you could put a symlink from /etc/yaboot.conf to /tftpboot/etc/yaboot.conf for the time being. [05:42] Kamion: i still feel that this is a bug in tftpd[-hpa] though. === azeem [~mbanck@socks-out.lrz-muenchen.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:42] Heya Michael. [05:43] mdz: libstdc++6: context? [05:44] hi Jeff [05:45] mdz: ah, the diff, yes dependent on where you generate the control file, bit anyway, elmo discovered that the patch I wanted to have applied was already applied in 3.4 (but not 4.0) [05:46] svenl: any extra parameters to 'boot eth' that I should know about? Trying 'boot eth /tftpboot/ubuntu-powerpc/yaboot', tcpdump just shows it sitting there trying to arp [05:46] ah, never mind, got it now [05:47] Kamion: don't forget : console=ttyS1,115200n8 too. [05:47] hm, no, still failing, sitting there with 'R' and the spinner [05:47] svenl: not on serial console === thom reboots once more [05:48] Kamion: where can I find a copy of the current isolinux splash image? [05:48] oh, ok. [05:49] Kamion: the spinner thingy does turn ? [05:49] Riddell: debian-installer source package, build/boot/x86/pics/ubuntu.png [05:49] quickly even ? [05:49] svenl: yeah, reasonably so [05:50] ok, moving the network cable and using 'boot geth' instead works better [05:50] Kamion: strange, but it does indeed here too. That said the gige kernel module is broken in ubuntu, so you have to move it back later on. [05:50] eek [05:51] yay, booted [05:51] Kamion: yep, i have a patch though. 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[06:03] it stops after that. rmnologin doesn't output anything, and i must check stop-bootlogd, but what is supposed to happen afterward ? === wasabi_ [~wasabi@207.55.180.100] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [~pitti@141.30.117.20] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kent [~kent@c83-249-58-143.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Skeezix [~jamin@cust-24.241.99.54.cbnstl.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === asw [~asw@node-423a728a.bos.onnet.us.uu.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === eruin [~eruin@eruin.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra_away [~ogra@p508EADDC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robtaylor_ [~robtaylor@217.204.121.82] has joined #ubuntu-devel === janc [~janc@dD5762085.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rjo [~jordens@192.33.109.161] has joined #ubuntu-devel === haggai [~halls@83.67.20.196] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kaloz [kaloz@217.27.212.53] has joined #ubuntu-devel === `anthony [~anthony@220.253.31.237] has joined #ubuntu-devel === xuzo [~xuzo@150.128.184.35] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi_ [~wasabi@207.55.180.100] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sm [~simon@lsanca1-ar5-4-60-052-182.lsanca1.dsl-verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lamont [~lamont@mix.mmjgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:31] mdz: can you add kubuntu-default-settings to the kubuntu desktop seed? [06:32] svenl: any idea which of the NewWorld, OldWorld, or chrp functions in ofpath should be used for pegasos? [06:32] or none of them? [06:33] I guess not chrp, it's SCSI-only === cmoreno8 [~cmoreno8@dyn-144-227.public.tut.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:35] seb128: you around? [06:35] yep [06:36] Kamion: d-i upload for the abi bump... I think it should be ready... [06:36] lamont: no. [06:36] we are still missing i386 and l-r-m for i386 [06:36] seb128: could I have some remdial help??? the screensaver daemon doesn't start when I login, until I go to preferences/screensaver and it tells me it's not running, would I like to start it... [06:36] btw.. read u-k :-) [06:36] what did I delete from my startup ? [06:37] fabbione: sigh [06:38] lamont: I'm waiting for choose-mirror 1.06ubuntu8 too [06:38] Kamion: ok. we're still waiting on a kernel or lrm at least too [06:38] svenl: what does 'spi' mean in /pci@80000000/ide@C,1/device_type? ofpath doesn't know about that type [06:40] Riddell: are there any news about your kdesu patch? [06:41] Riddell: certainly. has it been processed through queue/new yet? [06:42] lamont: good question, I don't know ... === farruinn [~nathan@cpe-69-201-9-239.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:44] pitti: havn't had a change to make the modifications you suggested yet [06:44] mdz: yes, seems to have been [06:45] Riddell: version 5.10.01? === c_moreno8 [~cmoreno8@dyn-144-227.public.tut.fi] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Abandonando"] [06:46] seb128: sigh. thanks anyway, I guess. [06:46] Riddell: do you want me to remove ubuntu-sounds as well? === lamont will compare and contrast his daughter's config sometime soon [06:46] maybe thom knows === c_moreno8 [~cmoreno8@dyn-144-227.public.tut.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:48] mdz: yes version 5.10.01 is current, probably best remove ubuntu-sounds I'll come back to them later if I have time [06:48] elmo: any move on kubuntu.org? === tritium [~rimbert@12-202-90-180.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:48] Riddell: I was wondering why 5.10.01, rather than, say, 5.04.x [06:48] or if there was some different meaning to the version number === c_moreno8 [~cmoreno8@dyn-144-227.public.tut.fi] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Abandonando"] [06:52] mdz: ah, good question, possibly becaues I can't count [06:52] Riddell: the seed updates are done. do you know how to do the kubuntu-meta update/ [06:52] ? [06:53] mdz: nope, but I'd be interested to learn [06:53] Riddell: it's way easy [06:53] Riddell: just wait until the changes are reflected in the published seeds [06:54] http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/ [06:54] then apt-get source kubuntu-meta [06:54] run the ./update script in the source package [06:54] then do a normal source build+upload [06:54] mdz: doesn't sound too hard, I'll give it a shot [06:56] hi all [06:56] Hi sivang [06:56] sivang: what's up? [06:56] hey pitti , 'sup? [07:07] erk; can evince's Find not operate across a whole document? [07:07] it seems to only work on the current page, which makes it pretty unusable for reading specifications [07:07] oh no, now it works, how strange === herzi [~herzi@d078021.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo is away for ~2h === ubuntulog [~warthylog@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Topic for #ubuntu-devel: Ubuntu Development | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-love for getting involved | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DeveloperResources | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryGoals | Kubuntu on #kubuntu-devel | Hoary preview release: http://releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/ | Release Candidate: March 30th === Topic (#ubuntu-devel): set by mdz at Mon Mar 14 19:51:32 2005 === farruinn [~nathan@69.201.13.153] has joined #ubuntu-devel === apokryphos [~apokrypho@host-84-9-34-218.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Q-FUNK [~q-funk@gw-5.suomicom.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === enrico [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:43] mdz: here now [09:44] ups, forgotten again about the meeting [09:45] seb128: no problem, we decided to have a discussion on ubuntu-devel [09:45] about what ? [09:45] $release-updates of gnome [09:46] i.e. to have gnome updates to hoary-updates after hoary's release [09:46] mdz: my proposition to upload minor gnome releases to $release-updates === herzi [~herzi@d078021.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:46] dholbach: k, thanks [09:46] , seb128 [09:46] I'm not sure we should do minor updates [09:47] but let's talk about this on the list [09:47] I'd really like to hear why. [09:47] that's easy, who is going to do the updates ? [09:47] maintaining 2 branches is a bunch of extra work [09:48] that was my proposition: I woold take whatever you upload to d/unstable and rebuild for $release-update. [09:48] that doesn't match [09:48] we have some specific changes [09:48] please, guys, let's discuss on the list [09:48] some stuff break in debian [09:48] right [09:48] or more precisely: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/TechnicalBoardAgenda [09:48] there are other people we need to hear opinions from, who are not in this channel right now [09:49] elmo: still around? [09:49] mdz: unfortunately [09:50] elmo: Treenaks was approved for upload to universe, but he claims not to have upload privileges yet (key 3FA5E031) [09:50] mdz: do you know who could have an idea on #6945 (font changing with the locale) ? [09:51] seb128: I have no idea about font selection [09:51] mdz: yes, as he said, he mailed me yesterday === azeem__ [~mbanck@socks-out.lrz-muenchen.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === azeem___ [~mbanck@ppp-62-245-163-216.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:52] elmo: and is there a problem, or is it just a question of tuits? [09:53] mdz: I've not had time [09:53] ok [09:53] Treenaks: a bit more patience, please [09:53] mdz: OK === Treenaks goes into sleep() === Sparhawk_ [~sparhawk@c-24-14-121-93.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:59] Kamion: ppc ubuntu livecd is current === jani [~pet@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:59] as for kubuntu... [09:59] jordi: I'm adding some langpacks (including catalan) to the install CDs now :-) [09:59] kubuntu-desktop: Depends: kdepim but it is not going to be installed === jordi dances around pitti. [10:00] GO pittiiiii! === deltus [~adam@cpe-65-186-192-180.indy.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:00] Kamion/elmo: did d-i get into the archive, and we want a new round of livecd rootfs builds? [10:00] later === apokryphos [~apokrypho@host-84-9-34-218.bulldogdsl.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Remote] === abelli [~user@0d0933498fb2e01c.node.tor] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [~egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:07] anyone familiar with gtk-doc-tools/jade ? I got an error building a package [10:08] Kamion: ?? [10:08] -CAPS suffix in sgml ids ring any bell? [10:08] lamont: d-i's is in for the big 3 === Amaranth [~travis@ip68-229-188-97.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:09] elmo: cool - starting livecdfs build then === carlos [~carlos@69.Red-80-33-181.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:09] Hi carlos [10:09] elmo: is gpgsm gonna make it into main? [10:09] lamont: do the live cloops include d-i? I thought they didn't [10:10] Kamion: don't think so - but they do include the kernel... [10:10] lamont: I dunno, it's on the promotion list, pending approval [10:10] anyway, fresh builds running on all 3. === lamont makes a note to actually try and figure out w-b enough to teach it the ogre-model [10:11] onions ? [10:11] ogra: yeah. that, and it smells. [10:11] layers. [10:11] I must admit that the bloody enormous framebuffer I get when doing installs on Pegasos is pretty nice [10:11] *g* [10:11] http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/byDate/today.html [10:12] ogra: that's why gpgsm has me annoyed today [10:12] lots across by 63 down [10:12] if I've counted right === thierry [~t@modemcable107.54-202-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jlj [~agp@host-81-191-64-79.bluecom.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:12] Kamion: pixels or lines? [10:12] elmo: d-i in -> with 2.6.10-5? [10:12] mdz: yes [10:12] elmo: thanks [10:13] mdz: the transition to -5 should be complete once lamont finish to build the Live CD fs afaik [10:13] lamont, oh, red day... [10:13] mdz: everything else is up [10:14] pitti: any news on this IPP printer issue ? [10:14] oh, sorry, got completely buried in security stuff today [10:14] lamont, Kamion: i dunno you two.. but i think this time it went pretty smooth.. only 8 hours to do a full transition [10:14] seb128: right, I should tackle this tomorrow [10:14] pitti: hi === Loevborg [~loevborg@d37-55.dip.isp-service.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:15] pitti: np, we are just waiting for you to update for debian :p [10:15] hm, I slept over the meeting today. [10:15] and would be nice to tackle that for hoary too :) [10:15] mvo: here? [10:15] pitti: was 0.29 kosher or was the last good one 0.28 ? [10:15] fabbione: are those builds in progress now? === Amaranth [~travis@ip68-229-188-97.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:16] mdz: lamont just wrote he was building the livefs ... [10:16] Q-FUNK: 0.28 was okay, we have 0.30 now which is fine, too [10:16] Q-FUNK: the problem was the newer libgnomecups, which introduced a regression [10:16] pitti: i thought that 0.30 has this regression issue? [10:16] and which is needed for the new g-c-m [10:16] elmo: cool - starting livecdfs build then [10:16] ah ok [10:16] Q-FUNK: (that's one of the reasons why I don't want to blindly upload new upstream releases into stable releases) [10:17] (and me neither) [10:17] mdz: in the worst scenario everything will be ok tomorrow morning when the cron will do his automatic build [10:17] fabbione: that scrolled off my screen while I was paying attention to other things [10:17] _minor_ and not blindly :) [10:17] mdz: no problem :-) [10:17] like the 450 bug emails I have in my box [10:17] mdz: of which 300 are the kernel bugs qa thing :-) [10:17] mdz: you read all the bugs ? === fabbione heads to bed [10:18] seb128, do you just delete them ? :-P [10:18] Night fabbione [10:18] ciao fabbione [10:19] Kamion: i am going to test svenl patch for that eth driver tomorrow [10:19] fabbione: wife is waiting? :-) [10:19] ogra: no, I "just" read the GNOME ones usually [10:19] Kamion: i will make an image for you :-) === Loevborg [~loevborg@d37-55.dip.isp-service.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:19] pitti: she is probably asleep already... [10:19] seb128, heh [10:19] and i am tired too [10:19] gnome128 === jani [~pet@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [10:19] :-P [10:20] ahahha [10:20] me & === fabbione & [10:20] night fabbione [10:21] svenl: well, it all boots fine for me on Pegasos, doesn't stop at cron or anything [10:21] fabbione: ok [10:21] lamont: lines :-) === pitti gives his modem a rest, too. CU tomorrow [10:21] Kamion: svenl is elsewhere? [10:22] oh.. sorry no ;) [10:22] Q-FUNK: yeah, I know, he sometimes reads scrollback though [10:22] fabbione: right, seemed fairly smooth to me === Q-FUNK [~q-funk@gw-5.suomicom.fi] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Krystof [~csr21@84-51-129-62.christ605.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === herve [~herve@ip-3.net-81-220-179.nice.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:28] hi [10:29] seb128, about the motu howl transition, verbiste recompiles fine [10:29] cool [10:29] seb128, would I test another package you offered to help on? [10:30] I don't understand the question [10:30] hey, quite many motu folks here! === abelli is now known as sig [10:30] we should all be in here :-) [10:30] seb128, if you're too busy to help on that transition === sig is now known as signorabelli [10:30] herve: of course [10:30] herve: nop, you need somebody to upload the package ? [10:31] seb128, yes I too young to upload myself yet :-) [10:31] ah ah [10:31] where is the package ? [10:31] green light to rebuild verbiste in a word [10:32] I'll put it online in a moment [10:32] sure [10:34] control [10:34] I need control over polyp or esd [10:34] preferably both [10:34] MUST LOWER LATENCY. === ogra yawns [10:35] seb128: I have something pitti reviewed and besides one thing (which I have fixed now) he said it's fine, would you have time to review? [10:35] you don't trust pitti review ? :p [10:35] bluefoxicy, was jack considered as an alternative in the end? [10:35] lol [10:36] herve: no :) [10:37] seb128: I trust him! :-) I just want to finish with this package already :) [10:38] polyp should have an arts compatibility library and module too, so we can have arts without having to link with Qt [10:38] sivang: if he has reviewed it that's fine === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:38] seb128: the last change he wanted me to do is to use _() straight on a string rather then using snprintf to format it. [10:38] sivang, it's in the course of the motu? then stress out motu uploads need three (?) reviews [10:38] ogra: xrandr -q [10:38] herve: not a MOTU upload, main :) [10:39] sivang: where is the package ? [10:39] ho I shut up then [10:39] seb128: http://muse.19inch.net/~sivan/g-c-m/sivan-gcm-crack.diff [10:39] k === ogra throws away 50 lines of xdpy pattern matching code :-P [10:39] seb128: please look at the debdiff and oops on whatever you see could be dangerous [10:39] daniels, thanks :-D === TerminX [~terminx@terminx.envision7.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jon1011 [~jon@AMontsouris-151-1-17-54.w82-123.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jon1011 [~jon@AMontsouris-151-1-17-54.w82-123.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === jon1011 [~jon@AMontsouris-151-1-17-54.w82-123.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:44] crimsun: [10:44] checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... yes [10:44] checking build system type... Invalid configuration `x86_64-linux': machine `x86_64' not recognized [10:44] configure: error: /bin/sh config/config.sub x86_64-linux failed [10:44] configure: error: /bin/sh './configure' failed for cppunit [10:44] make: *** [config.status] Error 1 [10:44] pbuilder: Failed autobuilding of package [10:44] seb128: he also wanted me to include l10n, should I integrate it for te same upload? [10:44] oops [10:44] sorry, wrong tab [10:44] sivang: want to l10n ? [10:44] seb128: yes, I'll add then and then request again your review [10:45] seb128: should just be another patch right? just as my previous one.. [10:45] ? [10:45] seb128: with the changes for the he.po file [10:45] I don't understand what you want to do with the l10n [10:45] oh [10:45] seb128: I can provide hebrew l10n [10:45] Kamion: why would a default hoary install + ssh-server still take passwords, with sshd_config saying PasswordAuthentication no? [10:46] use the bugzilla bug for the desktop translation for that [10:46] svenl: interestingly, X starts up just fine here, without the need for any hacking [10:46] lamont: keyboard-interactive [10:46] seb128: ok, I'll add the app name's there also. [10:46] lamont: try ChallengeResponseAuthentication no [10:46] sivang: do you have an idea on #6945 ? [10:46] ah, ok [10:46] seb128: /me looks [10:47] seb128, packages online: http://deb.oursours.net/motu/ [10:47] herve: ok === jalrnc [~joao@ip68-0-220-224.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:49] seb128: seems strange, I can't his the difference he is talking about [10:49] seb128: *see [10:50] k, thanks [10:50] sivang, the default should be a sans terminal font, but it changes to a serif one [10:50] thats how i understand it === jalrnc [~joao@ip68-0-220-224.ri.ri.cox.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [10:51] svenl: ok, yaboot-installer changes uploaded too, should be ready to test tomorrow [10:51] ogra: I don't get there over my hoary' [10:51] ogra: I just tried to reproduce [10:52] seb128: I cannot reporoduce, maybe I am not seeing the font difference? [10:52] ah, ok [10:52] cron.daily running for new CD images, will do live build once that's finished assuming I'm still up [10:53] sivang: dunno, I'm not sure to understand the difference/issue [10:54] Kamion: ubuntu livecd fsimages are all current [10:54] seb128, selected sans fort changes to serif, even if sans is selected [10:54] font even [10:54] seb128, terminal font that is, not the gtk one [10:55] ogra: my font remaind the same after executing with the he locale [10:55] ogra: right, but I don't get how the locale change the font [10:56] lamont: I've queued it up in my terminal input; assuming that connection stays running, they'll build ... :) [10:57] seb128, it shouldnt and since this bug is from 26.02 i would tag it NEEDINFO, there changed a lot since then wrt locales and langpacks [10:57] yeah [10:57] ogra: how do you see the font changed? [10:58] sivang, look at the screenshits === loevborg_ [~loevborg@d37-55.dip.isp-service.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:58] s/i/o === Cym [~zero@dialup-4.245.123.115.Dial1.SanJose1.Level3.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:58] sivang: thanks for the comment on the bug [10:58] seb128: no prob :) But I hope I didn't talk rubbish given what ogra just said :-/ [10:59] nop, the comment is just fine === miketech [~mike@port-212-202-57-26.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:59] sivang, you said you cant reproduce, thats not rubbish === miketech [~mike@port-212-202-57-26.dynamic.qsc.de] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [11:00] ogra: I didn't even see the differences between his two screenshots :-) anywaysm, it would be nice to see what font he has before and *after* he changed the locale so it might be useful [11:01] sivang, before: http://img60.exs.cx/img60/685/img34go.jpg [11:01] sivang, after: http://img88.exs.cx/img88/3448/img17uq.jpg === Nafallo [~nafallo@nafallo.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:03] ogra: ok, thankss, I saw that now, but still I couldn't reproduce :) [11:03] seb128: I'll do the upload tommorow with martin, I need to get some sleep, night [11:03] night all :) [11:03] k [11:03] 'night [11:04] night sivan! === tritium [~rimbert@12-202-90-180.client.insightBB.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [11:05] night seb128, dholbach [11:05] has someone seen metalikop ? === Kamion -> bed [11:05] sivang, night [11:06] jon1011: he's kop|gone [11:06] Kamion, sleep well [11:06] (he maintains the ubuntu .deb package for my app, appliworks, but I wasn't able to contact him for some days... and there is a new version of my app :p) [11:06] bye Kamion [11:06] oh ok :) [11:06] dholbach: thx :) [11:06] jon1011: mail him the location of an rss-feed or something :-) [11:07] dholbach: yes I will do this :p [11:08] jon1011: good [11:08] uuugggh [11:08] man [11:09] uuuuuuggghhh [11:09] morning jdub [11:09] hellas jdub [11:09] ajmitch: uuggghh. === ogra shakes head about the acrobat thread [11:10] hey hey jdub [11:10] jdub, i conquered main today :) so i could do the xscreensaver patching myself now ;) [11:11] ogra: rock! [11:12] yay :) [11:14] doko: still at it? [11:15] seb128, thanks for the upload === robtaylor [~robtaylor@nat2.camtrial.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:15] herve: np [11:16] thanks for the work on the package === GheRivero [~ghe@81.172.92.142] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:16] res === azeem__ is now known as azeem [11:17] lamont: livefs builds finished and successful? === mdke [~matt@mdke.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:21] ubuntu ones were, Kamion has the cd build queued up on his termina [11:21] l [11:22] ah, ok [11:23] lamont: I've queued it up in my terminal input; assuming that connection stays running, they'll build ... :) [11:23] mdz: that was 13:56 your time [11:24] looks like there's an install CD build in progress right now [11:24] complete with jigdo images, so that'll be another hour or so *groan* [11:24] right [11:24] I think it's his array 7 candidate, maybe? [11:24] lamont: I'm still getting bug mail on kernel-team; did you do the search&change-multiple exercise? [11:25] yeah, but not again since you updated the qa default === lamont fixes it one more time... [11:25] mdz: btw, if gpgsm made it into main soon, the buildd's would be happier. [11:26] hmm [11:26] lamont: hmm? [11:26] Would timidity enhancements be interesting to ubuntu? [11:26] lamont: somebody upload a broken build-dep? [11:26] I wrote a script, tmidity-update, for Gentoo a while back [11:26] kdepim build-dep: gpgsm. kdepim in main, gpgsm in universe. [11:26] no joy [11:27] it lets you manage multiple timidity patch sets by sticking them in a specific directory layout. There's a system selected patchset, and a user selected one. [11:27] the user can run timidity-update and change the patch set easily [11:27] mdz: 6849 and 7229 are assigned to kernel-team - those should be the only ones getting mail to kernel-team... otherwise, bug #? [11:27] the idea is to install midia, freepats, EAW, and shompatches all at once and switch between them === lamont reassigns 6849 [11:29] ah, was jdub assigned them... :-) === lamont notes that every time he goes into bz and looks at a bug or 2, he gets a ding on his quota meter. damn verbosity. [11:32] lamont: 1440 [11:32] 6849 you mentioned === Loevborg [foobar@d37-55.dip.isp-service.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:34] mdz: kubuntu-default-settings also needs to go in main if it hasn't been put there already === mdke [~matt@mdke.user] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [11:35] Riddell: no problem with kubuntu-default-settings [11:35] Riddell: but a bunch of new build-deps are present now, and those packages weren't in the original list [11:35] hence they have not had a supportability review [11:35] and can't move into main yet [11:36] mdz: ah, I only changed open bugs... time to go get the rest.. === koke [~koke@rm-001-26.serve.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === signorabelli is now known as abelli === ogra giggles about the acrobat7 thread === zul [~chuck@CPE0006258ec6c2-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:40] hey [11:40] mdz: 23 more bugs tweaked === mxpxpod [~bryan@wuw-ojr3gmca.dybb.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:41] seb128: dude [11:41] seb128: http://www.xline.fr/index2.php?lang=eng [11:41] seb128: wtf? [11:41] mdz: but I'm not going to reopen 7001 just to reassign it. [11:42] mm. who'se the ipv6 guru? [11:42] mdz: livecd should blow it's brains out more soundly when it runs out of RAM... [11:42] robtaylor: I think fabbione is the designated one, but what's the question [11:42] ? [11:43] mdz: instead of the silent sulk that it seems to do now... [11:43] lamont: on my hoary (of today) box, gethostbyname seems to do an ipv6 query to the dnsserver, then go through the domian search, then finally (30 seconds later..) try an ipv4 query [11:43] jdub: is that a real stuff ? :) [11:43] lamont: there is no build logs for fglrx-kernel-source? [11:44] (as my nameserver doesnt understand ipv6 ;)) [11:44] zul: see http://people.ubuntu.com/l/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10/2.6.10.3-5/ [11:44] ah ok [11:44] thanks [11:44] zul: apt-cache show pkg-name | grep Source [11:45] if it doesn't say anything, that's the source name [11:45] if it does, that's what you want to use [11:45] robtaylor: yeah, that'd be a fabbione question.. no clue here... :-( [11:45] lamont: heh, thanks anyway :) [11:46] robtaylor: I was hoping for something trivial, so I could look like a guru... [11:46] lamont: i was hpoing it'd be trivial too :) [11:46] oh, it probably is. [11:46] seemed to start sometime middle of last week [11:47] one might look at the order of things in /etc/hosts, but that'd be a total guess [11:47] lamont: hey, its worth a try.. === buga is now known as buga-away [11:47] seb128: supposedly it's some ex-mandrake dude [11:48] where have you read about it ? [11:48] I've not heard about that before [11:48] lxer [11:48] and the website doesn't get a lot of stuff [11:48] with a very broken english announcement ;) [11:49] oh, I've switched in the french version directly [11:49] I'm lazy :p [11:49] regular broken English speak by a French as for me ;-) [11:51] (s/speak/spoken - I'm a good example of broken English...) [11:51] lamont: silent sulk? [11:52] lamont: I'd rather expect it to sort of implode spectacularly [11:52] practically every write failing, that sort of thing [11:52] well, it kinda seems to go into a vm-thrash mode, at least for my bro === lamont notes that ubuntu is #1 on distrowatch (last 3 months) [11:53] and #3 in last 6 [11:53] "last 1 month" stats are kinda scary [11:53] in a good way [11:53] yeah [11:54] it's a large margin [11:54] what is scary is the bugzilla flood :p [11:54] seb128: yeah :\ [11:55] seb128: heh...been there done that recently :) [11:55] eh lamont? [11:56] that's an *impressive* margin [11:56] lamont: got a buildd question if you have a sec [11:56] fire away [11:57] lamont: both http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/g/gnuradio/0.9-2.1/gnuradio_0.9-2.1_20050301-1305-amd64-failed and http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/g/gnuradio/0.9-2.1ubuntu1/gnuradio_0.9-2.1ubuntu1_20050315-0738-amd64-failed show "checking build system type... Invalid configuration `x86_64-linux': machine `x86_64' not recognized" [11:57] dholbach and I have checked automake and autotools-dev versions === lamont fetches [11:58] I've searched google as to how I might attempt to resolve the "$architecture not recognized" and can't find much. debian/rules does copy over the newer config.{guess,sub} [11:59] sigh.. elmo: could I have gnuradio build-deps in the hoary chroot on concordia?