[12:03] <mdke> ideal time for a 2doh"
[12:03] <sm> but if she wants it to be private and not editable by others - no, we don't currently allow that
[12:03] <mdke> *"doh"
[12:03] <sm> private member folders are turned off
[12:03] <mdke> i don't think it needs to be private certainly
[12:03] <mdke> may gmane waits for the email to catch up with a timezone before posting? surely not?
[12:04] <mdke> *maybe
[12:04] <sm> no
[12:04] <sm> got it now
[12:04] <sm> but not mine, yet
[12:04] <mdke> 9 minutes late
[12:05] <mdke> could be worse
[12:05] <sm> I'll reply to her
[12:05] <mdke> kthx
[12:05] <mdke> how well organised is her email technique? awesome
[12:08] <mdke> ok i just got two emails marked 14.49 and 15.56
[12:08] <mdke> its 23.08
[12:16] <sm> something slow at gmane today
[12:16] <sm> quick answer for you: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/recycle_bin/HowTo
[12:17] <mdke> ty
[12:17] <mdke> guess those emails were moderated
[12:34] <mdke> got your emails now thanks
[03:06] <mdke> anyone around?
[04:03] <jsgotangco> hello
[04:03] <jsgotangco> ack
[06:39] <froud> African Greetings
[06:39] <jgotangco_lunch> greets
[06:40] <froud> hello jsgotangco, you are new, we have have not met. I am Sean
[06:41] <jsgotangco> hello sean yes I am new, I am Jerome
[06:41] <jsgotangco> i kinda hanged out because of the moin moin stuff
[06:41] <Burgundavia> salut
[06:41] <jsgotangco> :)
[06:41] <froud> Burgundavia: hello how r you
[06:41] <Burgundavia> not bad
[06:41] <jsgotangco> just had lunch here
[06:41] <froud> Did you see the round tripping message
[06:41] <Burgundavia> yes
[06:41] <froud> what do you think?
[06:41] <Burgundavia> I haven't had a chance to respond
[06:42] <Burgundavia> Got about 15-20 emails to dig through first
[06:42] <froud> OK, did you look at the system
[06:42] <Burgundavia> on my list of things to do
[06:42] <froud> jsgotangco: are you helping us with the docs?
[06:43] <jsgotangco> i'm helping out with the wiki
[06:43] <jsgotangco> but i just started out a few weeks ago
[06:43] <froud> jsgotangco: that's good
[06:43] <froud> Burgundavia: OK
[06:43] <froud> Burgundavia: from what I can see the solution is still very raw
[06:44] <froud> Burgundavia: it needs more devel to support a number of things
[06:44] <jsgotangco> i was invited to do this presentation about ubuntu
[06:44] <jsgotangco> but i haven't even started yet
[06:44] <jsgotangco> hehe
[06:44] <froud> jsgotangco: which presentation
[06:44] <jsgotangco> oh just a local one
[06:44] <jsgotangco> here in philippines
[06:44] <froud> For school
[06:44] <jsgotangco> yes
[06:44] <froud> Cool stuff
[06:45] <jsgotangco> i dont want to make it too technical
[06:45] <jsgotangco> maybe i can do a hoary preview
[06:45] <froud> looks like ubuntu is getting pretty big in the Philippines
[06:45] <jsgotangco> it has a following
[06:45] <froud> that's good to here
[06:45] <jsgotangco> people here are kind of getting aware to FOSS now
[06:45] <froud> hear
[06:46] <jsgotangco> i mean we have a terrible fiscal budget to start with
[06:46] <jsgotangco> it fits to a tee
[06:46] <froud> :-)
[06:47] <jsgotangco> there are a lot of GOOD programmers here but they are only good at programming not for advocacy
[06:47] <jsgotangco> hehe
[06:47] <jsgotangco> we're trying to change that
[06:47] <froud> yes, go-to-market is a new thing in the Linux world
[06:48] <froud> We are all learning as we go along
[06:48] <froud> but we are seeing much interest
[06:48] <jsgotangco> its exciting to be part of a growing segment
[06:48] <froud> many people stating to use Linux
[06:49] <froud> yes, its better than building a business in a saturated segment
[06:49] <jsgotangco> true
[06:49] <jsgotangco> i want to show you a local news article
[06:49] <froud> but alas oneday it will be the same for us
[06:49] <froud> ok
[06:49] <jsgotangco> hold on let me get that article
[06:50] <jsgotangco> froud: when that time comes, we have already moved to other ventures lol
[06:50] <froud> If you want to see what's hapening on the African continent look at http://www.tectonic.co.za/
[06:50] <froud> yep, that's it
[06:50] <jsgotangco> where is .za?
[06:51] <froud> South Africa
[06:51] <jsgotangco> here it is
[06:51] <jsgotangco> http://news.inq7.net/infotech/index.php?index=1&story_id=30571
[06:51] <jsgotangco> oh the prison siege has ended
[06:51] <jsgotangco> we had a hostage situation that happened here since yesterday
[06:52] <jsgotangco> well anyway read that article i dunno if i want to laugh or just dismiss it as FUD
[06:53] <froud> Well I dont want to see windows apps running on Linux
[06:53] <froud> I cant see the point
[06:53] <froud> and the danger is
[06:53] <jsgotangco> yeah i mean
[06:53] <jsgotangco> if youre migrating
[06:53] <jsgotangco> make a good migration plan
[06:53] <froud> people will insall MS Office on Linux
[06:53] <froud> ouch
[06:54] <jsgotangco> its like the cedega thing
[06:54] <froud> Soon as MS gets thier claws into things they start taking over
[06:54] <froud> and then it is no longer free
[06:54] <jsgotangco> its just business hype for them
[06:55] <froud> sure
[06:55] <jsgotangco> just taking advantage of the growing interest of business here
[06:55] <jsgotangco> with linux
[06:55] <froud> yes
[06:55] <froud> well I am off to hack some docs before the day begins
[06:55] <froud> nice meeting you
[06:56] <jsgotangco> later
[06:56] <froud> Burgundavia: later dude
[06:56] <Burgundavia> cya
[07:04] <froud> http://www.tectonic.co.za/view.php?id=424
[07:04] <froud> seems somebody took our release notes and made a transcript from them
[07:08] <jsgotangco> hmm
[07:08] <jsgotangco> its exactly the same
[07:10] <froud> jsgotangco: yes
[07:11] <froud> I just realized that we have not mentioned kubuntu in the release notes
[07:11] <jsgotangco> hmm that too
[07:37] <froud> Burgundavia: come to kde dude:-)
[07:38] <froud> Burgundavia: please no top posting. If you gonna top post delete the stuff from the original message ;-)
[07:40] <Burgundavia> sorry
[07:40] <Burgundavia> I just happen to like Gnome a lot more than KDE
[07:41] <Burgundavia> it is also default, and all studies show that most users never change the default of any program
[07:41] <froud> each to his own in that respect
[07:41] <Burgundavia> I like the fact that there are 2
[07:41] <Burgundavia> and I like freedesktop.org
[07:41] <froud> not me I run them both and some other desktops ;-)
[07:41] <Burgundavia> which wouldn't exist if their weren't 2
[07:44] <Burgundavia> froud: I am currently working on the bittorrent para
[07:44] <Burgundavia> But I am not liking my writing right now
[07:44] <Burgundavia> Should I have 2 paras?
[07:44] <Burgundavia> 1. expliant bt
[07:44] <Burgundavia> 2. how to do it
[07:44] <froud> so mark it as review and we will pick it up
[07:44] <Burgundavia> ok
[07:47] <Burgundavia> is this a known issue? xsl:import : unable to load /usr/share/xml/docbook/stylesheet/nwalsh/xhtml/chunk.xsl
[07:47] <Burgundavia> from the check-before commit program
[07:48] <froud> yes 
[07:48] <froud> which os you on
[07:49] <Burgundavia> ubuntu hoary
[07:49] <Burgundavia> gnome
[07:49] <Burgundavia> pretty much a default install
[07:49] <Burgundavia> can I commit though, is the question
[07:49] <froud> update /libs/html-cust.xsl
[07:49] <froud> use /usr/share/xml/docbook/stylesheet/nwalsh/current/html/profile-chunk.xsl
[07:50] <froud> oops
[07:50] <froud> use /usr/share/xml/docbook/stylesheet/nwalsh/current/html/chunk.xsl
[07:50] <froud> You will find that it is already there just commented
[07:50] <Burgundavia> ah
[07:50] <Burgundavia> why is that by default?
[07:50] <froud> please commit back the change
[07:50] <froud> may bad
[07:50] <Burgundavia> ok, will do
[07:51] <froud> thanks
[07:51] <froud> I am hacking on SuSE
[07:51] <froud> and the xsls are installe din the correct place
[07:51] <froud> on SuSE
[07:51] <Burgundavia> but not on ubuntu?
[07:51] <froud> Debian still uses the old location
[07:51] <Burgundavia> ah
[07:52] <froud> I will move over once I am happy with kubuntu;-)
[07:52] <Burgundavia> so switch the comments?
[07:52] <froud> Yes
[07:52] <Burgundavia> doing now
[07:52] <froud> thanks
[07:53] <froud> we should use a catalog resolver, but catalogs on hoary are broken
[07:53] <Burgundavia> are there bugs filed for this?
[07:53] <froud> don'task why
[07:53] <froud> yes
[07:53] <Burgundavia> ok
[07:53] <Burgundavia> faqguide is borked, but your email explains that
[07:53] <froud> yes, I will fix things today sometime
[07:54] <Burgundavia> comitted
[07:54] <Burgundavia> s/committed/comitted
[07:54] <Burgundavia> damn that word screws me up every time
[07:56] <froud> he he, no worries, it's irc we understand ;-)
[08:32] <Burgundavia> byte.fedore?
[08:32] <cc> hi. i'm Colin Charles.
[08:33] <cc> a general fedora person, possibly doing some Ubuntu documentation
[08:33] <Burgundavia> welcome
[08:33] <cc> mainly in the form of a livecd sorta thing
[08:33] <Burgundavia> what sort of livecd?
[08:35] <froud> Burgundavia: Ubuntu ships a liveCD
[08:35] <froud> cc: welcome
[08:35] <Burgundavia> I realize that
[08:35] <cc> i know; i might want to update something in regards to it
[08:36] <Burgundavia> cool
[08:36] <froud> not sure.... you produce a live CD of your own or you want to do someting in regard to UbuntuLive CD
[08:45] <jsgotangco> the livecd is ok
[08:48] <froud> jsgotangco: ok so what do you have in mind?
[08:52] <jsgotangco> well the livecd is a great way to introduce to potential users but what the ubuntu livecd lacks is some sort of documentation or howto at startup like what knoppix has sort of
[08:52] <jsgotangco> at least a welocome page or something
[08:53] <jsgotangco> i dunno knoppix just nails it down when it comes to livecds
[08:55] <froud> jsgotangco: our live cd just loads the desktop
[08:56] <froud> then you can use System > About Ubuntu to open the intro doc in Firefox
[08:56] <froud> well whatever you want send a proposal to the list
[08:56] <froud> b c'ing ya
[08:56] <froud> ;-)
[09:07] <Kinnison> Morning all
[09:07] <froud-work> morn
[01:41] <Burgundavia> hey
[01:42] <mdke> hi
[01:43] <Kinnison> Burgundavia: I have new toys!
[01:43] <Kinnison> Burgundavia: two external and one internal battery for my laptop
[01:43] <Kinnison> Burgundavia: so I have a plausible 15-16 hours battery life
[01:45] <Burgundavia> Kinnison: hey
[01:45] <Burgundavia> Kinnison: cool
[01:46] <Kinnison> Burgundavia: this is also known as "how to try and make the trip to .au not stink
[01:48] <Burgundavia> Kinnison: ah right
[01:49] <Burgundavia> Kinnison: what a mess this Eugenia stuff has been eh?
[01:49] <Kinnison> Eugenia?
[01:49] <Burgundavia> Osnew flap over gnome not listening to users
[01:50] <Burgundavia> s/Osnew/Osnews
[01:50] <Kinnison> not seen it
[01:51] <Burgundavia> yes you have
[01:51] <Burgundavia> read planet.gnome recently?
[01:51] <Kinnison> no
[01:52] <Burgundavia> ah
[01:52] <Burgundavia> little tempest in a tea pot over eugenia trying to start up a users pay for features they want thing
[01:52] <Burgundavia> and then users telling her, quite rightly, that it is a stupid idea
[01:53] <Kinnison> heh
[01:53] <mdke> oh yeah i saw that in slashdot
[01:53] <Burgundavia> really really stupid, but it gots lot of people worked up over it
[01:53] <mdke> 600 posts or something
[01:53] <Burgundavia> it was misreprensented in Slash
[01:54] <Burgundavia> as was the debian dropping archs thing
[01:54] <mdke> isn't everything
[01:54] <Burgundavia> as usual for slash
[01:54] <mdke> :)
[01:55] <mdke> how are things going?
[02:24] <mdke> ok i've started a wiki page for discussion about a new structure
[02:24] <mdke> damn can't remember the title
[02:25] <mdke> its under MatthewEast
[02:25] <mdke> gtg now
[02:25] <mdke> later all
[03:22] <froud-work> what would be the quickest and easiest way to specify either gdm or kdm on ubuntu
[03:49] <mf-> is anyone awake?
[03:53] <froud-work> yes
[03:54] <mf-> anywhere around here i can get help on installing xpde on ubuntu?
[03:55] <froud-work> mf-: I have not seen any docs on how to do that
[03:55] <froud-work> you like xpde?
[03:56] <mdke> hi boys and girls
[03:56] <mf-> dunno, can't get it working
[03:56] <mf-> first time i've ever used ubuntu tonight
[03:56] <mf-> so i'm just checking things out
[03:56] <froud-work> why not try kde
[03:56] <mdke> froud-work, btw do you work on kubuntu, other than docs?
[03:56] <mf-> because i've used kde before
[03:57] <froud-work> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[03:57] <froud-work> mf-: ok
[03:57] <froud-work> mdke: yes
[03:57] <mf-> ;)
[03:57] <mf-> i haven't used nix in a long time, i don't really remember much 
[03:57] <froud-work> If you get it working let me know I will document it for you
[03:57] <mf-> k
[03:58] <froud-work> Windows user?
[03:58] <mdke> froud-work, came across a user in ubuntu-it that had an enormous bug, opening a root terminal from the menu crashes on him
[03:58] <mf-> who, me?
[03:58] <froud-work> mf-: yes you
[03:58] <mdke> lets not get abusive ;p
[03:58] <mf-> used to use nix on every machine i owned
[03:58] <mf-> but i slowly drifted away
[03:58] <mf-> now realising the error of my ways, :)
[03:59] <mf-> i only just got hold of ubuntu
[03:59] <froud-work> "i haven't used nix in a long time"
[03:59] <mf-> been wanting to check it out for a while
[03:59] <mf-> correct
[03:59] <mdke> hi Kinnison
[03:59] <Kinnison> mf-: You got the hoary preview?
[03:59] <froud-work> well welcome back
[03:59] <Kinnison> mdke: Hi
[03:59] <mf-> huh?
[03:59] <Kinnison> mf-: What release of Ubuntu have you got?
[03:59] <Kinnison> mf-: 4.10 or 5.04(preview) ?
[03:59] <mf-> no idea
[03:59] <froud-work> mf-: which version of ubuntu do you have?
[04:00] <mf-> got it on a cd with a magazine
[04:00] <froud-work> 4.10
[04:00] <mdke> 4.10 then
[04:00] <mf-> apparently so
[04:00] <mf-> lol
[04:00] <froud-work> install and then update to hoary
[04:00] <mf-> what ver is that
[04:00] <froud-work> 5.04
[04:00] <mf-> ahh
[04:01] <Kinnison> 5.04 will be released in about three and a half weeks
[04:01] <mf-> i'm only running it in vmware at the moment
[04:01] <mf-> so i'll probably install it properly in a few days :) i'll do it then
[04:01] <froud-work> mf-: cummon trach that ntfs partition
[04:01] <mf-> i plan on it
[04:01] <froud-work> :-)
[04:01] <froud-work> cool
[04:01] <froud-work> welcome back
[04:02] <mf-> hehe
[04:02] <mf-> thanks :)
[04:02] <froud-work> and remember when you figure out how to install xpde, let me know
[04:02] <mf-> will do
[04:03] <mf-> perhaps music will help
[04:14] <mdke> i tell you what i recommend
[04:15] <mdke> wiki editing in IE
[04:15] <mdke> its a dream come true
[04:15] <mdke> /sarcasm off
[04:29] <mf-> lol
[04:31] <mf-> hrmm
[09:43] <mdke> ciao enrico 
[09:43] <enrico> ciao!
[09:52] <mdke> enrico, sai come funziona zopeedit?
[09:52] <enrico> mdke: mai usato :(
[09:52] <mdke> np
[09:52] <mdke> stresso simon
[09:52] <mdke> non c'e'
[09:52] <mdke> >_<