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| zul | evening | 12:49 |
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| zul | lamont_r whenever you are ready | 12:50 |
| lamont_r | zul: can we do it in about 2 hours? | 12:51 |
| lamont_r | or is that toolate? | 12:51 |
| zul | sure no probelm | 12:51 |
| zul | problem even | 12:51 |
| lamont_r | ok. need to run into town with the daughter for a bit | 12:51 |
| === lamont_r translocates to home again | ||
| === T-Bone contemplates this conversation, notes that quoted out of context, it could sound rather strange :) | ||
| lamont_r | lol | 12:52 |
| zul | perv | 12:52 |
| === lamont_r whacks t-bone | ||
| T-Bone | even with context, it does look strange :) | 12:52 |
| lamont_r | T-Bone: if you're nice, I'll put the Packages files on p.u.c... :-) | 12:52 |
| T-Bone | LOL | 12:52 |
| lamont_r | T-Bone: baz primer | 12:52 |
| T-Bone | ok ok ok, I won't quote :) | 12:52 |
| T-Bone | s/quote/fortune/ :) | 12:52 |
| lamont_r | anyway, gotta run home, pick up kid, run to town. back in a couple hours. | 12:53 |
| T-Bone | see ya tomorrow then! | 12:53 |
| zul | oh that sucks...debian dropping all but 4 arches? | 12:53 |
| T-Bone | yeah | 12:53 |
| T-Bone | they're nuts | 12:53 |
| zul | i take people are pissed off right now | 12:53 |
| T-Bone | that'd be a fair bet | 12:54 |
| zul | maybe i should go read -devel :) | 12:54 |
| T-Bone | i haven't even bothered, but would certainly welcome a short summary :) | 12:55 |
| zul | bah...i dont have time...executive summary people are pissed | 12:58 |
| zul | oooh...we are down to 18 major bugs for kernel stuff | 01:01 |
| mdz | zul: they aren't dropping them | 01:11 |
| mdz | zul: they are going to change the way that they are released | 01:11 |
| mdz | yes, people are pissed off, but mostly because they are misinterpreting the announcement (as you seemed to ;-) ) | 01:12 |
| zul | mdz: i only saw it on slashdot i havent dealt into it | 01:14 |
| mdz | oh god | 01:14 |
| mdz | just what Debian needs, slashdot misinformation | 01:14 |
| zul | heh | 01:14 |
| mdz | slashdot refuses to post our release announcements, and they publish this crap :-P | 01:15 |
| zul | how come they refuse? | 01:15 |
| mdz | I have no idea | 01:15 |
| zul | thats retarded | 01:15 |
| zul | someone should go beat some sense into them | 01:17 |
| === T-Bone is now known as T-None | ||
| zul | la deh dah | 02:34 |
| lamont | ah, cool.. I still have 15 minutes. :-) | 02:40 |
| === lamont goes to feed horses quickly | ||
| zul | heh | 02:43 |
| lamont | ok zul | 02:52 |
| lamont | ready> | 02:52 |
| lamont | >? | 02:52 |
| lamont | stupid > key | 02:53 |
| zul | yep | 02:54 |
| lamont | ok... things to decide. lets assume that you're going to have the archive on the local machine, and then mirror it to the http archive | 02:54 |
| zul | ok | 02:55 |
| lamont | in my case, I chose to put the archives in /var/lib/arch - you'll want to pick a directory somewhere... | 02:55 |
| lamont | baz make-archive /var/lib/arch/zulcss@gentoo.com--2005 (or whatever) | 02:55 |
| lamont | that will create the zulcss@gentoo.com--2005 archive. | 02:56 |
| lamont | baz register-archive http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/Archives/kernel-team@ubuntu.com--2005 | 02:56 |
| lamont | registers the upstream beast | 02:56 |
| zul | k hold | 02:56 |
| zul | on | 02:56 |
| zul | ok...made the arvhie | 02:57 |
| zul | ok..lets go | 02:57 |
| lamont | baz branch kernel--team@ubuntu.com--2005/kernel-debian--pre28--2.6.10 zulcss@gentoo.com--2005/kernel-debian--pre28--2.6.10 | 02:58 |
| lamont | creates a branch for you to work in. | 02:59 |
| lamont | then, baz make-archive -m zulcss@gentoo.com--2005 sftp://<http machine>/~zul/public_html/Archives/zulcss@gentoo.com--2005 | 03:00 |
| zul | baz branch kernel-team@ubuntu.com--2005/kernel-debian--pre28--2.6.10 zulcss@gmail.com--2005/kernel-debian--pret28-2.6.10 | 03:00 |
| zul | branch: invalid version name -- zulcss@gmail.com--2005/kernel-debian--pret28-2.6.10 | 03:00 |
| lamont | (I think...) | 03:00 |
| lamont | pre28--2.6.10 | 03:00 |
| lamont | not pre28-2.6.10 | 03:00 |
| zul | oops | 03:00 |
| === lamont isn't sure about the mirror - let me check.. | ||
| zul | its running now | 03:01 |
| lamont | make-archive -m syntax works.! woot. | 03:02 |
| zul | ok got that | 03:03 |
| zul | zulinux.homelinux.net/Archive | 03:04 |
| lamont | baz library-config --greedy --sparse /var/cache/arch/revisions # create the revision library | 03:04 |
| lamont | baz get kernel-team@ubuntu.com--2005/kernel-debian--pre28--2.6.10 debian | 03:05 |
| lamont | will grab create the debian directory | 03:06 |
| lamont | then (inside that directory), baz archive-mirror will push things to zulinux.homelinux.net/Archive | 03:07 |
| lamont | uh, doh. | 03:07 |
| zul | tla: indicated library is not on library path | 03:07 |
| lamont | gotta go check something | 03:08 |
| lamont | dpkg -l bazaar? | 03:08 |
| zul | 1.2-2 | 03:08 |
| lamont | ok | 03:09 |
| zul | im using ~/work/ubuntu/Archives as my arch repository | 03:09 |
| lamont | we forgot to tell baz to keep listings current, so you get a second step until someone in #arch tells us how to automate it... :( | 03:09 |
| zul | doh | 03:10 |
| lamont | or we could be abusive... | 03:10 |
| zul | abusive :) | 03:10 |
| lamont | on zulinux, rm -rf Archive/zulcss@gmail.com--2005 | 03:10 |
| zul | done | 03:10 |
| lamont | rm ~/.arch-params/=locations/zulcss@gmail.com--2005 | 03:11 |
| lamont | on your home machine | 03:11 |
| zul | done | 03:11 |
| lamont | ok. give me a minute to check on things... | 03:11 |
| zul | k | 03:11 |
| lamont | baz make-archive --listing -m .... | 03:13 |
| lamont | and then baz archive-mirror | 03:13 |
| zul | k gimme a sec | 03:14 |
| zul | says archive already registered | 03:14 |
| lamont | which machine did you rm ~/.arch-params on? | 03:15 |
| lamont | ah, on your work machine: | 03:15 |
| zul | local machine i did the sftp bit | 03:15 |
| lamont | rm ~/.arch-params/\=locations/zulcss@gmail.com--2005-MIRROR | 03:15 |
| lamont | uh, that 2nd rm needed to be on zulinux... | 03:16 |
| lamont | so... | 03:16 |
| zul | same machine | 03:16 |
| lamont | ah, ok. | 03:16 |
| lamont | that helps some... | 03:16 |
| lamont | only not.. | 03:16 |
| lamont | if both are really the same machine, the best thing to do is just create the archive where http can get to it... | 03:17 |
| lamont | since you can't have the archive and the mirror have the same name on the same machine, etc... | 03:17 |
| zul | yeah that would be easier | 03:17 |
| lamont | so best way is to just nuke the archive storage completely, and toss it from ~/.arch-params/=locations | 03:18 |
| zul | done | 03:18 |
| lamont | then either a symlink and the needed config, or store it under the web tree somewhere.. | 03:18 |
| lamont | so... | 03:18 |
| lamont | baz make-archive --listing .../Archive/zulcss@gmail.com--2005 | 03:18 |
| lamont | you already have the other registered (unless you over-nuked...) | 03:19 |
| zul | yeah over nuked | 03:19 |
| lamont | so baz register-archive from above | 03:19 |
| lamont | baz branch from above | 03:19 |
| zul | doh.. | 03:19 |
| lamont | baz library-config from above | 03:19 |
| lamont | then baz get from above | 03:21 |
| lamont | then you're going to get into a love/hate relation ship with "baz lint" as you do things... | 03:22 |
| lamont | baz add files that you add, etc. | 03:22 |
| lamont | do you have a change to walk through? | 03:22 |
| zul | gimme a sec...still going through the steps | 03:24 |
| zul | my brain is slow today...more so than usual | 03:24 |
| zul | still getting the same error on revision | 03:25 |
| lamont | on revision? | 03:25 |
| zul | revisions | 03:25 |
| zul | chuck@homer:~$ baz library-config --greedy --sparse /var/cache/arch/revisions | 03:26 |
| zul | tla: indicated library is not on library path | 03:26 |
| zul | dir /var/cache/arch/revisions | 03:26 |
| lamont | ah, ok. | 03:27 |
| lamont | what does baz my-revision-library say? | 03:28 |
| zul | chuck@homer:~$ baz my-revision-library | 03:29 |
| zul | my-revision-library: no revision library path set | 03:29 |
| zul | there isnt a /var/cache/arch directory | 03:29 |
| lamont | yeah - I dumped my revision lib in /var/lib/arch/revisions... | 03:32 |
| lamont | pick a directory | 03:32 |
| lamont | baz my-revision-library <dir> | 03:32 |
| lamont | it'll grow over time until you prune things out of it... | 03:32 |
| zul | ok done | 03:33 |
| lamont | then library-config | 03:33 |
| lamont | adjusted as needed | 03:33 |
| zul | im just doing the baz get | 03:34 |
| lamont | ah, ok | 03:36 |
| zul | so i did the baz get | 03:36 |
| zul | and i have the two gz files in my Archive directory | 03:37 |
| zul | so i should be done right? | 03:38 |
| zul | thats cool | 03:41 |
| lamont | yep | 03:41 |
| lamont | actually, the branch created those files, I expect | 03:42 |
| lamont | uh, did you say --listing with your make-archive? | 03:42 |
| zul | so when pre29 comes out i have to do a baz branch kernel-team ya deh dah | 03:42 |
| zul | ~/arch | 03:43 |
| lamont | touch ..../Archive/zulcss@gmail.com--2005/=meta-info/http-blows | 03:43 |
| lamont | url is http://zulinux.homelinux.net/Archive/zulcss@gmail.com--2005 ?? | 03:43 |
| zul | yep | 03:43 |
| lamont | ok. is there a http-blows file there? | 03:44 |
| zul | no | 03:44 |
| lamont | touch it | 03:44 |
| lamont | then say baz archive-fixup zulcss@gmail.com--2005 | 03:44 |
| zul | chuck@homer:~$ baz archive-fixup zulcss@gmail.com--2005 | 03:46 |
| zul | usage: baz archive-fixup [options] | 03:46 |
| lamont | s/fixup/fixup -A/ | 03:46 |
| zul | i c | 03:46 |
| zul | done | 03:46 |
| zul | http://localhost/Archive/zulcss@gmail.com--2005/kernel-debian--pre28--2.6.10/patch-1 | 03:50 |
| zul | so when pre29 comes out all i have to do is a baz branch? | 03:53 |
| zul | right im falling asleep thanks for your help lamont | 03:57 |
| lamont | yes | 04:01 |
| lamont | baz abrowse zulcss@gmail.com--2005 | 04:02 |
| lamont | zulcss@gmail.com--2005 | 04:02 |
| lamont | kernel-debian | 04:02 |
| lamont | kernel-debian--pre28 | 04:02 |
| lamont | kernel-debian--pre28--2.6.10 | 04:02 |
| lamont | base-0 .. patch-1 | 04:02 |
| lamont | woot | 04:02 |
| fabbione | morning | 06:21 |
| lamont | fabbione: getting kernel-bugs created... you want me to subscribe you? | 06:21 |
| lamont | gonna move the bz target to there, instead of kernel-team, so we can have our mailing list back, | 06:21 |
| lamont | fabbione: baz register-archive http://zulinux.homelinux.net/Archive/zulcss@gmail.com--2005 | 06:22 |
| lamont | btw, | 06:22 |
| fabbione | lamont: yes please | 06:22 |
| lamont | s/,// | 06:23 |
| fabbione | even if all bugs are assigned to me and i get them automatically 3 times | 06:23 |
| lamont | heh. I assume you want moderator access? | 06:23 |
| fabbione | mdz: yes i am cherrypicking bug fixes from Debian right now | 06:23 |
| fabbione | mdz: and syncing up to their 2.6.10-6 | 06:23 |
| mdz | fabbione: ok | 06:24 |
| fabbione | what will be the list id for kernel-bugs? | 06:24 |
| lamont | fabbione: we'll make the default bz target be kernel-bugs | 06:24 |
| lamont | kernel-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com | 06:24 |
| fabbione | mdz: please baz get from lamont archive on chinstrap. | 06:24 |
| fabbione | mdz: so you can follow yourself | 06:24 |
| mdz | fabbione: not right now; I am trying for <12 hours working today | 06:24 |
| fabbione | mdz: sure.. | 06:25 |
| fabbione | let me put up a changelog for you | 06:25 |
| fabbione | mdz: there are only bug fixes atm | 06:25 |
| fabbione | no new features | 06:25 |
| fabbione | http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/changelog | 06:25 |
| fabbione | there are more patches to come security, memory corruption and stack handler related | 06:27 |
| fabbione | we might also fix a wishlist in this upload since the change is not introsive at all | 06:27 |
| lamont | fabbione: is done. | 06:35 |
| fabbione | the ml? | 06:35 |
| fabbione | cool | 06:35 |
| lamont | mdz: could you whack bz and reassign all the kernel bugs from kernel-team to kernel-bugs, and change the default target? | 06:35 |
| lamont | fabbione: you're in the --pre28 tree, yes? | 06:36 |
| mdz | lamont: do a search, click "change several bugs at once" in the search results | 06:37 |
| fabbione | lamont: yes | 06:37 |
| lamont | mdz: ok | 06:38 |
| lamont | but the default assignment is still you, right mdz? | 06:39 |
| mdz | lamont: default assignee for linux has been fabbione for ages | 06:39 |
| fabbione | yeah | 06:41 |
| fabbione | mdz: do you think it will be possible to get Kamion to create one sparc hoary CD after (and only AFTER) release? | 06:42 |
| lamont | ah, even better | 06:42 |
| fabbione | well if we can get kernel-bugs to get them assigned | 06:42 |
| fabbione | i wouldn't mind | 06:42 |
| lamont | fabbione: I got pretty far down the path of building my own on hppa... although it really needs some Kamion-love to be happy | 06:42 |
| mdz | fabbione: probably, but it's entirely possible that it will require changes to packages in the archive to work (so it wouldn't be hoary anymore) | 06:43 |
| fabbione | in that case i agree | 06:44 |
| fabbione | but i think we have been careful enough not to need that | 06:44 |
| fabbione | well let see | 06:44 |
| lamont | fabbione: you'll almost certainly need d-i changes | 06:45 |
| mdz | will sparc be caught up on building packages by release? ;-) | 06:45 |
| fabbione | mdz: it's almost there for main | 06:45 |
| fabbione | too bad it was dead for 15 days | 06:45 |
| fabbione | that was really unlucky | 06:45 |
| fabbione | and i have only one or two FTBFS to handle up till now | 06:45 |
| fabbione | all the rest is going in | 06:45 |
| fabbione | but clearly it will never make it for hoary | 06:45 |
| fabbione | i am aware of that | 06:46 |
| lamont | grumble. kernel-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com did not match anything | 06:47 |
| lamont | do I need to create a login for him? | 06:47 |
| fabbione | nmostlikely | 06:47 |
| fabbione | s/^n// | 06:47 |
| lamont | yeha | 06:48 |
| === lamont waits for his password | ||
| fabbione | crimsun: i got the patch from zul for the sis oops | 06:55 |
| fabbione | i am going to apply it in a few minutes | 06:56 |
| crimsun | fabbione: great :-) | 06:56 |
| fabbione | do you have the bug num handy? | 06:56 |
| lamont | mdz: will new kernel bugs get kernel-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com as their qa contact then? | 06:56 |
| crimsun | fabbione: from bugzilla? I don't think there is one (rather, I haven't found one), but a friend has experienced it. | 06:57 |
| lamont | fabbione: of course, mass changing 79 bugs when we get 2 copies per (well, you 3)... sorry..... | 06:58 |
| fabbione | lamont: only 79? | 06:58 |
| fabbione | i have approx 130 assigned for kernel | 06:58 |
| fabbione | ok i am not going to touch bz | 06:58 |
| fabbione | to avoid mid-air collisions | 06:59 |
| lamont | 74 bugs had kernel-team as their qa contact | 06:59 |
| fabbione | probably we didn't catch all of them with qa contact | 06:59 |
| fabbione | i will see after you change them | 06:59 |
| === lamont grumbles at cupsys | ||
| lamont | fabbione: my change is done, just percolating, etc. | 07:00 |
| fabbione | you didn't change to who the bugs are assigned, did you? | 07:00 |
| lamont | no just qa contact | 07:01 |
| lamont | unless, of course, I'm a loser... :-( | 07:01 |
| fabbione | ok. should we reassign them to? | 07:01 |
| lamont | we could, but some are assigned to you and some to zul, etc. | 07:01 |
| fabbione | lamont: package linux | 07:02 |
| fabbione | we can manually reassign the ones that this check will skip | 07:02 |
| lamont | choices are to assign them to one person in charge of triage, or assign them to the list and take them as they're grabbed. | 07:02 |
| fabbione | it makes it easier to have one and only one contact | 07:02 |
| === lamont does the search again | ||
| fabbione | ok let's talk about it with zul later | 07:03 |
| fabbione | because i really have heaps more than 79 | 07:03 |
| fabbione | zul: are you awake? | 07:03 |
| === lamont finds 166 more bugs, many of them resolved... | ||
| lamont | don't think I'll change those | 07:04 |
| fabbione | no skip the resolved... | 07:04 |
| lamont | 74+98 == 172 | 07:04 |
| fabbione | just do a search with fabbione@ubuntu.com as assignee | 07:04 |
| fabbione | and package linux | 07:05 |
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| eruin | copypaste myself? | 07:05 |
| fabbione | yes please | 07:05 |
| lamont | did a search for package=linux, qa != kernel-bugs, status == unconfirmed thru pendingupload | 07:05 |
| eruin | I've had to compile my own kernel to set dma on for my standard ide hd/cd drives, and while doing so I noticed the ubuntu config had "CONFIG_IDEDMA_ONLYDISK=y" | 07:06 |
| fabbione | get all the status | 07:06 |
| fabbione | many are NEW and NEEDINFO | 07:06 |
| lamont | that was there | 07:06 |
| fabbione | eruin: yes. that is correct. enabling DMA on cdrom by default causes more troubles than the ones that it solves | 07:06 |
| lamont | unconfirmed thru pendingupload includes new,assigned,reopened,needinfo,upstream | 07:06 |
| fabbione | eruin: it is enough to use hdparm to enable dma on any device you want | 07:07 |
| fabbione | there is no need to recompile | 07:07 |
| lamont | but not resolved,verified,closed | 07:07 |
| eruin | okay, then that's probably not what solved my issues | 07:07 |
| eruin | the problem I had was that hdparm didn't allow me to set dma on | 07:07 |
| fabbione | eruin: if it doesn't, perhpas your cdrom or chipset is blacklisted from DMA | 07:08 |
| fabbione | because known to be broken or something | 07:08 |
| eruin | I still haven't figured out how to get support for enabling dma on my via sata drives, but that's another thing | 07:08 |
| eruin | any idea on where I can find info on that? | 07:08 |
| fabbione | there is a blacklist somewhere.... | 07:08 |
| fabbione | in the source | 07:08 |
| fabbione | i just can't remember where exactly | 07:08 |
| eruin | I'll have a poke | 07:09 |
| eruin | drivers/ide/ide-dma.c I bet | 07:10 |
| fabbione | i think there is a blacklist.c or something | 07:10 |
| fabbione | i really can't remember | 07:10 |
| === lamont falls bedwards | ||
| fabbione | night lamont | 07:10 |
| fabbione | cya later | 07:10 |
| eruin | static const struct drive_list_entry drive_blacklist [] = { | 07:11 |
| fabbione | looks like it | 07:11 |
| fabbione | but that's the one for specific cdrom | 07:11 |
| eruin | can't find any of my stuff in it though | 07:11 |
| fabbione | iirc | 07:11 |
| fabbione | there is another one for chipset too or at least.... | 07:11 |
| eruin | bah | 07:13 |
| eruin | that blacklist blacklists known-to-work devices | 07:13 |
| fabbione | if you know that they work, you should report them upstream | 07:13 |
| fabbione | they are pretty responsive on that | 07:13 |
| eruin | I wonder how they get on the list in the first place if they work | 07:14 |
| fabbione | eruin: sometimes developer do not have the hardware | 07:14 |
| fabbione | and they hack around with the specifications | 07:14 |
| fabbione | that makes the driver work | 07:14 |
| fabbione | but they can't test extra features | 07:14 |
| eruin | ah | 07:14 |
| fabbione | DMA can be really bad if set on broken hw | 07:14 |
| fabbione | like data corruption | 07:15 |
| fabbione | IDE hanging due to unneeded resets | 07:15 |
| fabbione | so it is a much safer path to first blacklist it | 07:15 |
| fabbione | and wait for reports that it works | 07:15 |
| fabbione | than the other way around | 07:15 |
| fabbione | i think we can all agree that "data corruption" = "really really bad" | 07:15 |
| fabbione | compared to a minimum gain in performance | 07:16 |
| eruin | yeah ;) | 07:16 |
| eruin | well.. minimum | 07:16 |
| fabbione | minimum is subjective :-) | 07:16 |
| eruin | my computer pretty much hangs when I do major operations on my sata drive | 07:16 |
| eruin | because I'm no longer able to use dma on it | 07:16 |
| fabbione | only on cdrom | 07:16 |
| eruin | gathering from what I've seen around the net, the via drivers only work well if compiled-in | 07:17 |
| eruin | could that be true? | 07:17 |
| fabbione | no | 07:18 |
| fabbione | there is basically no difference in compiling in or having it as module | 07:18 |
| eruin | hmm.. I've done so and now I can set dma on my ide hd | 07:18 |
| fabbione | did you check the module parameters? | 07:19 |
| eruin | nope | 07:19 |
| fabbione | some of them can accept stuff like forcel33tdma=on | 07:19 |
| eruin | :P | 07:19 |
| fabbione | without the need of recompiling | 07:19 |
| eruin | curses | 07:19 |
| mdz | lamont: no, I'll need to change the default QA contact manually; please email me | 07:33 |
| fabbione | mdz: unionfs... hmmmm | 07:37 |
| fabbione | i think we should find something better than external projects | 07:37 |
| fabbione | Al Viro is the right person to ping definetely | 07:38 |
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| gabaug | why don't modules that worked in 10-3 work in 10-4 (with the error "Invalid module format")? | 07:43 |
| gabaug | sorry, hoary's linux-image-2.6.10-3-686 vs 10-4 that is | 07:44 |
| fabbione | -3 and -4 identify an ABI change | 07:44 |
| fabbione | that is perfectly normal and wanted | 07:44 |
| gabaug | ok...is it possible to compile my modules for -4? | 07:44 |
| fabbione | yes | 07:44 |
| fabbione | the same way you did for -3 | 07:44 |
| gabaug | because I built one on a freshly installed hoary-preview-install with the -4 kernel running and headers installed and it gave me that error | 07:45 |
| fabbione | probably you didn't install the correct kernel headers | 07:45 |
| fabbione | also note that after preview | 07:45 |
| fabbione | the kernel ABI was broken | 07:45 |
| fabbione | so you might have built with a broken kernel | 07:46 |
| gabaug | I have the kernel headers that the install cd provided...I have /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-4[-386] | 07:46 |
| fabbione | gabaug: please update to the most recent kernels and rebuild the module | 07:47 |
| gabaug | okay | 07:47 |
| fabbione | be sure to have 2.6.10-27 | 07:47 |
| gabaug | woah...I'm confused, did we jump from -4 to -27 or did I just miss a lot of kernel updates? | 07:48 |
| fabbione | no | 07:48 |
| fabbione | -4 is the ABI in the package name | 07:48 |
| eruin | I've found something interesting... http://lists.debian.org/debian-amd64/2004/10/msg00099.html | 07:48 |
| fabbione | -27 is the debian version | 07:48 |
| fabbione | or ubuntu version | 07:48 |
| gabaug | fabbione: okay, thanks | 07:48 |
| fabbione | mdz: can i extend the kernel bof list for UDU (since the page is "please do not modify") | 08:06 |
| fabbione | ? | 08:06 |
| svenl | fabbione: let's move here. | 12:09 |
| svenl | fabbione: the powerpc-mv643xx-enet.dpatch patch just enables to build the mv643xx_eth module on MULTIPLATFORM_PPC, and removes all mips-embedded arch specific part of it, no ABI breakage visible there. | 12:11 |
| fabbione | svenl: we have a (semi) automatic abi checker | 12:12 |
| fabbione | so that one is checked at build time | 12:12 |
| svenl | fabbione: the other patch detects if a marvell NB is present, and sets a couple of info (membase and irq to be used) for the driver to use. | 12:12 |
| fabbione | yes i read the patches | 12:12 |
| svenl | so i don't think there should be any ABI breakage involved. | 12:12 |
| fabbione | but i still need to verify them and revert an old patch we have around | 12:12 |
| fabbione | svenl: i promise.. as soon as i get -28 out of the way, your patches will be the first to go in and be tested. | 12:14 |
| fabbione | http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/changelog | 12:14 |
| fabbione | svenl: ^ | 12:15 |
| fabbione | this is what i have in the boilerplate for today | 12:15 |
| svenl | fabbione: you have an old marvell patch in ? The one from debian 2.6.10 ? | 12:15 |
| fabbione | svenl: i think it is from 2.6.9 that i portforwarded | 12:15 |
| fabbione | but there is a patch there | 12:16 |
| svenl | fabbione: ok. we can get ride of it, and replace it with this new one. | 12:16 |
| fabbione | yes i know .. i did check that too | 12:16 |
| fabbione | :-) | 12:16 |
| svenl | more to this later, do your install and i will build a package locally with my proposed fix, ok ? | 12:16 |
| fabbione | svenl: i will upload my package around 14:00 UTC | 12:17 |
| fabbione | after that i can do directly tests for you | 12:17 |
| fabbione | so don't worry too much | 12:17 |
| fabbione | i can even give you the images to test | 12:17 |
| fabbione | that's not an issue :-) | 12:17 |
| fabbione | but before 14:00 UTC with kernel up | 12:17 |
| fabbione | it's no-no | 12:17 |
| svenl | ok. | 12:18 |
| svenl | i was just asking, not knowing the schedule. tomorrow is better for everyone involved. | 12:18 |
| fabbione | yup.. no problem | 12:20 |
| fabbione | build orgy started :-) | 12:31 |
| === fabbione -> shower -> food | ||
| fabbione | later | 12:31 |
| fabbione | woo woo woo | 01:42 |
| fabbione | amd64/ia64 are go | 01:43 |
| fabbione | i386 and ppc still compiling | 01:43 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-kernel:fabbione] : Ubuntu kernel development discussion | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelTeam | kernel-team@ubuntu.com--2005/kernel-debian--pre28--2.6.10 | check the new abichecker code and GET familiar with it. | The award for the "turtle" moves to i386. | ||
| fabbione | ppc is GO | 02:15 |
| fabbione | and i386 is go | 02:29 |
| === zul [~chuck@198.62.158.205] has joined #ubuntu-kernel | ||
| zul | heylo | 02:38 |
| fabbione | hey zul | 02:38 |
| zul | hey fabbione how is it going? | 02:38 |
| fabbione | very good | 02:38 |
| fabbione | all arches are go | 02:38 |
| zul | good good | 02:38 |
| fabbione | i am ready to upload.. testing l-r-m now | 02:38 |
| zul | sweet | 02:38 |
| fabbione | but i still cannot commit one patch | 02:38 |
| fabbione | but i will upload before that ;) | 02:39 |
| zul | heh | 02:39 |
| zul | you guys wanted to talk to me about something im reading the backlog | 02:40 |
| fabbione | zul: yes... | 02:41 |
| fabbione | * Not all USB ports detected on nForce4 SLI chipset boards: | 02:41 |
| fabbione | - Add patch nforce4-usb-broken.dpatch. | 02:41 |
| fabbione | (Closes: #7241) | 02:41 |
| fabbione | the bug is assigned to X? | 02:41 |
| fabbione | and... | 02:41 |
| fabbione | * Add emu10k1x driver: | 02:41 |
| fabbione | - Add patch stolen-from-head_em10k1x-alsa.dpatch. | 02:41 |
| fabbione | - CONFIG_SND_EMU10K1X=m. | 02:41 |
| fabbione | what bug does it fix? | 02:41 |
| zul | gimme a sec | 02:41 |
| fabbione | sure | 02:41 |
| fabbione | 1 | 02:42 |
| fabbione | so? | 02:42 |
| zul | shaddup | 02:42 |
| zul | :) | 02:42 |
| fabbione | ahhaha | 02:42 |
| zul | nforce usb is suppose to be 7214 | 02:42 |
| fabbione | ah ok | 02:42 |
| zul | the dell sound card is 6492 | 02:43 |
| fabbione | ok.. comming now | 02:44 |
| zul | whats the thingy on bugs im reading in the backlog | 02:44 |
| zul | qa contact is kernel-bugs now? ok.. | 02:44 |
| fabbione | yes | 02:45 |
| fabbione | we were considering to reassing all the bugs to it | 02:45 |
| zul | ah ok | 02:45 |
| fabbione | and decide between us who gets what | 02:45 |
| fabbione | it is easier to keep all the bugs together | 02:45 |
| zul | well t-bone can do ppc | 02:45 |
| zul | true | 02:45 |
| fabbione | to see duplicates and stuff | 02:45 |
| fabbione | and since we have the lists | 02:45 |
| fabbione | we can coordinate there | 02:45 |
| fabbione | or via irc | 02:45 |
| fabbione | or whatever.. | 02:45 |
| zul | and you and i can divy out the i386 ones | 02:46 |
| fabbione | just to avoid duplicate work | 02:46 |
| zul | whatever.. | 02:46 |
| fabbione | exactly | 02:46 |
| zul | but if you are working on a bug you should take ownership of it | 02:46 |
| fabbione | yes | 02:47 |
| fabbione | that is correct | 02:47 |
| fabbione | or coordinate | 02:47 |
| zul | or cordinate | 02:47 |
| fabbione | brb... rebooting | 02:49 |
| zul | k | 02:51 |
| fabbione | well.. i missed cron.d for 62 seconds | 03:07 |
| fabbione | that means 30 minutes delay ... | 03:07 |
| fabbione | at least i had the extra time to test the kerne | 03:07 |
| fabbione | zul: you can close the bugs if you want | 03:09 |
| fabbione | kernel is uploaded | 03:09 |
| zul | okie dokie | 03:09 |
| fabbione | i am doing some baz magic to create the new branches and so on... | 03:12 |
| zul | sweetness since i have baz setup now | 03:12 |
| fabbione | i know.. | 03:12 |
| fabbione | i already registered your archive | 03:12 |
| fabbione | so you sync.. merge | 03:12 |
| zul | wohoo | 03:12 |
| fabbione | and i can sync merge from you | 03:12 |
| fabbione | 29329839283 times faster | 03:13 |
| zul | yeah yeah | 03:13 |
| zul | only if im up though | 03:13 |
| fabbione | well that's up to you | 03:14 |
| zul | yeah so there | 03:14 |
| fabbione | not bad... | 03:15 |
| fabbione | 24K of changelog | 03:15 |
| zul | heh...oh yeah got a question for you | 03:16 |
| zul | there are alot of win4lin users using ubuntu | 03:16 |
| fabbione | yes | 03:16 |
| zul | so why not include it in linux-restricted after hoary is released | 03:16 |
| fabbione | they can all die to hell in a painful and slow death | 03:16 |
| fabbione | ops | 03:17 |
| fabbione | i am not supposed to say so | 03:17 |
| fabbione | i don't think we can | 03:17 |
| zul | heh or not.. | 03:17 |
| fabbione | it depends a lot from the licence | 03:17 |
| zul | ill look into it | 03:17 |
| fabbione | ok | 03:17 |
| zul | because there is getting alot of ubuntu users at work and they are all asking me about and i have to beat them off with a stick | 03:18 |
| fabbione | zul: send them to me | 03:18 |
| fabbione | i also want some fun killing the bugs | 03:18 |
| zul | well since i am just a consultant i would like to keep my job | 03:18 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-kernel:fabbione] : Ubuntu kernel development discussion | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelTeam | kernel-team@ubuntu.com--2005/kernel-debian--pre29--2.6.10 | check the new abichecker code and GET familiar with it. | ||
| === fabbione needs a smoke | ||
| zul | bwahahaha kernel-team@ubuntu.com--2005/kernel-debian--pre28--2.6.10 debian | 03:30 |
| zul | doh.. | 03:30 |
| fabbione | ? | 03:30 |
| zul | i have a local copy of pre29 now.. | 03:31 |
| fabbione | yeah i am preparing the basic stuff for -29 | 03:33 |
| fabbione | like changelog and abi files | 03:33 |
| fabbione | otherwise you won't even be able to make clean | 03:33 |
| fabbione | i need to implement a make target for it | 03:33 |
| fabbione | but not for hoary | 03:33 |
| fabbione | i am too lazy | 03:33 |
| zul | heh | 03:34 |
| fabbione | attempt to remove directory amd64/ | 03:36 |
| fabbione | hmmm | 03:36 |
| fabbione | baz doesn't like removing directories? | 03:36 |
| zul | dont know | 03:37 |
| zul | i just started using it so im not the one to ask | 03:37 |
| zul | or if you were asking rhetorically | 03:37 |
| fabbione | no, it doesn't support it | 03:39 |
| zul | crap im missing a } somewhere | 03:43 |
| fabbione | committing the first -29 bits | 03:54 |
| fabbione | for i386 | 03:54 |
| fabbione | at least you can start working | 03:54 |
| zul | k | 03:54 |
| fabbione | it still transmitting :-) | 03:55 |
| fabbione | should be there now | 03:56 |
| zul | so the abi stuff just goes a diff? | 03:58 |
| fabbione | they are files in the source package | 03:59 |
| fabbione | -28 contains -27 abi files | 03:59 |
| fabbione | -29 contains -28 abi files | 03:59 |
| zul | ah k | 03:59 |
| fabbione | and so on | 03:59 |
| fabbione | for hoary it is manual | 03:59 |
| fabbione | we will work on it at UDU | 03:59 |
| fabbione | to make it more transparent | 03:59 |
| zul | heh i wont be there | 04:00 |
| fabbione | because personally building the kernel N times only to check if it builds + a clean build after upload just to get the ABI is a PITA | 04:00 |
| fabbione | zul: i know, but we will plan a strategy to have it done automatically | 04:00 |
| fabbione | like buildd mailing abi files or something like that | 04:00 |
| fabbione | we will see how to spec it | 04:00 |
| zul | good good | 04:00 |
| jbailey | fabbione: glibc grew some abi checking a year or so ago, and in the next major upload, we hope to have all the checking be there automatically and fail the build if something changes. | 04:01 |
| fabbione | jbailey: we already fail if the ABI breaks | 04:02 |
| fabbione | the problem is that abi files are created at build time | 04:02 |
| fabbione | and since we do source only uploads | 04:02 |
| fabbione | we need to find a nice way to get these files back | 04:02 |
| fabbione | to make them usefull | 04:02 |
| fabbione | the checker is there | 04:03 |
| fabbione | and it is pretty simple to use | 04:03 |
| jbailey | Ah. Include them in /usr/share/doc ? | 04:03 |
| fabbione | jbailey: nah that's a bad approach | 04:03 |
| fabbione | we did a long discussion about it | 04:03 |
| fabbione | both with dilinger and mdz | 04:03 |
| fabbione | and here on irc too | 04:03 |
| fabbione | the point is that we must ensure that version -X+1 is always built using version -X of the abi files | 04:04 |
| fabbione | so we must ensure that the latest packages are always available on the buildd | 04:04 |
| fabbione | and we cannot achieve that with a strict Build-Dep | 04:04 |
| jbailey | Oh good point. You actually expect the ABI to change occasionally. | 04:04 |
| fabbione | because if one arch FTBFS | 04:04 |
| fabbione | there is no way to make it build again without disabling the abi checker | 04:05 |
| fabbione | jbailey: yes. it happens, and sometimes is not predicted | 04:05 |
| fabbione | specially when we pull big patches around | 04:05 |
| fabbione | the kernel abi changes a lot of time | 04:05 |
| fabbione | due to the fact that no user land uses it directly | 04:06 |
| fabbione | (or if you want to put it that way...) | 04:06 |
| fabbione | it is more free than a simple library | 04:06 |
| fabbione | ;) | 04:06 |
| fabbione | ok l-r-m uploaded | 04:07 |
| lamont | fabbione: so where is this new abichecker? | 05:03 |
| fabbione | in debian/rules? | 05:08 |
| fabbione | it runs at build time | 05:08 |
| fabbione | point is feeding it with the data | 05:08 |
| fabbione | that's the only PITA atm | 05:09 |
| fabbione | i already have abi files for i386/amd64/ia64 | 05:09 |
| fabbione | waiting ppc to finish on davis | 05:09 |
| fabbione | for -29 | 05:09 |
| fabbione | or to be used with -29 | 05:09 |
| fabbione | lamont: can you plase kick back l-r-m for ppc? | 05:14 |
| mdz | fabbione: yes, feel free to add to the list; I just don't want random people modifying it when they are not involved with development | 05:28 |
| fabbione | mdz: ok | 05:28 |
| jbailey | mdz: Looks like that sata bug isn't 1440 again, it's a different chipset, and works fine when ide-generic is loaded. I'm going to hack hotplug now to do that. | 05:36 |
| mdz | jbailey: thanks, I was just wondering whether we were dealing with more than one bug there | 05:37 |
| mdz | jbailey: does that also aapply to the person who followed up to 1440? | 05:37 |
| fabbione | izagtkbogz | 05:37 |
| jbailey | mdz: Yeah. thom has a sata_via too, so we've been testing it. | 05:37 |
| jbailey | I haven't checked the 1440 follow up yet. | 05:38 |
| fabbione | jbailey: can you test with -28? | 05:38 |
| fabbione | there were some bug fixes for sata | 05:38 |
| fabbione | perhaps it is something there.... | 05:38 |
| jbailey | Ah, hmm. Let's ask thom in -devel. He's got the machine. | 05:39 |
| lamont | fabbione: will happen automatically, unless that package name is wrong... | 05:40 |
| lamont | Rejected: xfree86-driver-fglrx-dev_4.3.0-8.8.25-0ubuntu7_amd64.deb: old version | 05:41 |
| lamont | +(4.3.0-8.8.25-0ubuntu7) in hoary >= new version (4.3.0-8.8.25-0ubuntu7) | 05:41 |
| lamont | +targeted at hoary. | 05:41 |
| lamont | besides, you need to upload -8 | 05:41 |
| fabbione | eh? | 05:42 |
| fabbione | ah fuck that shit | 05:42 |
| lamont | -7 was rejected because the internal minor number wasn't bumped on amd64... | 05:42 |
| fabbione | yeah | 05:42 |
| fabbione | this time isn't my fault... | 05:42 |
| lamont | heh | 05:43 |
| fabbione | was that the only error? | 05:44 |
| fabbione | or other minors have been complaining? | 05:44 |
| fabbione | there.. it's on the way | 05:48 |
| fabbione | this is so frigging sucky | 05:48 |
| fabbione | i386 is still lagging.... | 05:49 |
| fabbione | i wonder if we did hit a buildd with the ccache | 05:49 |
| fabbione | lamont: for the next kernel i will add gfs support | 05:49 |
| fabbione | so you can share ccache over the different buildds of the same arch | 05:49 |
| jbailey | <thom> with id-cd, ide-disk and ide-generic commented out, there's no change with 2.6.10-28 | 05:54 |
| fabbione | ok | 05:54 |
| === jbailey puts hotplug under the knife. | ||
| lamont | fabbione: I _can_ do it today (nfs)... it's more a question of what the admins will allow, you see... | 05:57 |
| fabbione | ehhe | 05:58 |
| fabbione | ok.. all the abi files for -29 are committed | 05:59 |
| fabbione | (for supported arches) | 05:59 |
| fabbione | the others are empty | 05:59 |
| fabbione | (sparc/hppa) | 05:59 |
| fabbione | i am off | 06:00 |
| lamont | fabbione: so I need to get you the results then? | 06:00 |
| lamont | or rather, drop them in place... | 06:00 |
| fabbione | lamont: can you coordinate with Kamion to upload linux-meta/d-i | 06:00 |
| lamont | sure | 06:00 |
| fabbione | lamont: yes. that is correct. you can just add them in the right place in debian/abi | 06:00 |
| lamont | so lrm is all better? | 06:00 |
| lamont | -8 uploaded and everything? | 06:00 |
| fabbione | i did upload it with the minor bumps | 06:01 |
| fabbione | i hope that is enough | 06:01 |
| lamont | or does that need to be done still? | 06:01 |
| fabbione | already done l-r-m | 06:01 |
| lamont | cool | 06:01 |
| fabbione | it should it the daily in 2 minutes | 06:01 |
| lamont | ok. | 06:01 |
| === lamont is going to reboot to put in a new dvd-r drive. | ||
| fabbione | cya tomorrow | 06:01 |
| lamont | and shotgun this wireless mouse | 06:01 |
| fabbione | i need to take care of wife | 06:01 |
| lamont | back in a few myself | 06:01 |
| fabbione | cya | 06:01 |
| lamont | til tomorrow | 06:01 |
| fabbione | bah first my wife sais that she does feel good.. | 06:15 |
| fabbione | now she is all around the kitchen.. | 06:15 |
| fabbione | go figure | 06:15 |
| fabbione | females are worst than ABI change | 06:15 |
| fabbione | because you can't unbreak it | 06:15 |
| === Mithrandir quotefiles | ||
| === lamont [~lamont@mix.mmjgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-kernel | ||
| lamont | fabbione: nothing here... | 06:37 |
| fabbione | for the reason why i am still around ;) | 06:37 |
| fabbione | i wasn't checking on you ;) | 06:37 |
| lamont | heh | 06:37 |
| lamont | still no clue what's up though... | 06:37 |
| fabbione | is it still building or did it hang? | 06:38 |
| lamont | i386? | 06:38 |
| fabbione | yup | 06:38 |
| lamont | fabbione: building documentation now | 06:40 |
| fabbione | it took really long time | 06:40 |
| === T-None is now known as T-Bone | ||
| fabbione | i will need to check the build log | 06:40 |
| fabbione | it looks like it didn't fork at all | 06:40 |
| fabbione | and ccache was empty | 06:40 |
| fabbione | dinner is ready | 06:40 |
| fabbione | i am off :-) | 06:40 |
| lamont | ok | 06:41 |
| T-Bone | heya lamont! | 06:41 |
| lamont | fabbione: fwiw, the buildd in question has never build linux-source-2.6.10 :-( | 06:47 |
| lamont | T-Bone: hiya | 06:47 |
| === T-Bone debootstraps p.u.c ;) | ||
| lamont | T-Bone: for starters, add the debian db admin pkg | 06:48 |
| lamont | pick up that buildd/sbuild | 06:48 |
| T-Bone | done already :) | 06:48 |
| lamont | get a good debootstrap | 06:48 |
| lamont | copy hoary.buildd over from that archive :-) | 06:48 |
| lamont | debootstrap build/chroot-hoary with hoary | 06:48 |
| zul | fabbione: they can be unbroken, just nag nag nag | 06:49 |
| zul | oh yeah there is a tech meeting today | 06:50 |
| lamont | install -d -m0775 -obuildd build/chroot-hoary build/chroot-hoary/home/buildd build/chroot-hoary/build/buildd build/chroot-hoary/var/debbuild build/chroot-hoary/var/debbuild/srcdep-lock | 06:50 |
| lamont | echo do_initrd = Yes > build/chroot-hoary/etc/kernel-img.conf | 06:51 |
| === T-Bone is currently looking for a machine (powered on) with hoary.buildd :) | ||
| lamont | install -m644 /etc/fstab build/chroot-hoary/etc/fstab | 06:51 |
| lamont | wget http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/hoary.buildd | 06:51 |
| T-Bone | doh :) | 06:51 |
| jbailey | Is it safe to assume that we're not really planning another kernel upload soon? =) | 06:51 |
| T-Bone | cool | 06:51 |
| lamont | for file in var/debbuild/avg-build-times var/debbuild/avg-build-space CurrentlyBuilding; do install -m0664 -obuildd -gbuildd /dev/null build/chroot-hoary/${file}; done | 06:52 |
| lamont | create build/chroot-hoary/etc/apt/sources.list (with main restricted universe | 06:52 |
| lamont | ) | 06:52 |
| lamont | create user and group entries for buildd in the chroot | 06:53 |
| lamont | with a shadow entry | 06:53 |
| lamont | mount proc, /dev/pts in chroot | 06:53 |
| === T-Bone damns lamont for being that verbose all of a sudden :^) | ||
| lamont | create /etc/source-dependencies | 06:53 |
| lamont | edit /usr/sbin/sbuild to make -dhoary not be fatal | 06:54 |
| lamont | then we just have to deal with buildd.conf | 06:54 |
| lamont | but one should be able to sbuild the poor thing. | 06:54 |
| lamont | then, on your machine, create and sign a new gpg key - use that one to sign the .changes files. | 06:55 |
| lamont | and we still need to figure out just exactly _where_ we're uploading too... | 06:55 |
| lamont | s/too/to/ | 06:55 |
| T-Bone | debootstrap in progress | 06:55 |
| lamont | but getting sbuild to run as the user buildd in ~buildd/build, with 'sbuild -dhoary ed_0.2-20' is the keyh | 06:56 |
| T-Bone | (had to distupgrade the box first, hence the lag) | 06:56 |
| === lamont wanders off for a couple minutes, to feed his face | ||
| T-Bone | hehe ok thx | 06:56 |
| T-Bone | (alot :) | 06:56 |
| zul | T-Bone: http://zulinux.homelinux.net/Archive | 06:57 |
| === T-Bone whistles and look the other way ;} | ||
| mdz | are you guys going to update linux-meta? | 06:58 |
| T-Bone | that's on the todo list as far as i can tell | 06:58 |
| T-Bone | fabbione had plans for that | 06:58 |
| mdz | fabbione: is there a waitcondition? | 07:05 |
| lamont | mdz: going to update it yes, \ | 07:05 |
| lamont | waiting for i386 to finish hitting the archive | 07:06 |
| lamont | which should have just happened | 07:06 |
| lamont | mdz: is it ubuntu-meta, then d-i, or the other way? | 07:06 |
| lamont | and should I be nice and do kubuntu-meta too? | 07:07 |
| === lamont grumbles. linux-meta!=ubuntu-meta. :-) | ||
| T-Bone | <lamont> create /etc/source-dependencies | 07:10 |
| mdz | lamont: the order doesn't matter, so long as they're in sync when the CD builds happen | 07:10 |
| T-Bone | lamont: means "touch"? | 07:10 |
| lamont | T-Bone: yes | 07:10 |
| lamont | right | 07:10 |
| lamont | mdz | 07:10 |
| lamont | T-Bone: and make /usr/*bin/update-sourcedeps? just exit 0 | 07:12 |
| === T-Bone tries to recall what needs to be changed in /usr/bin/sbuild | ||
| lamont | make it so -dhoary doesn't die. | 07:15 |
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| === Topic for #ubuntu-kernel: Ubuntu kernel development discussion | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelTeam | kernel-team@ubuntu.com--2005/kernel-debian--pre29--2.6.10 | check the new abichecker code and GET familiar with it. | ||
| === Topic (#ubuntu-kernel): set by fabbione at Tue Mar 15 15:19:47 2005 | ||
| (fabbione/#ubuntu-kernel) jbailey: please do.. | 09:35 | |
| zul | later | 10:00 |
| === T-Bone is completely exhausted, calls it a night | ||
| === T-Bone is now known as T-Sleep | ||
| === T-Sleep is now known as T-None | ||
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| lamont | how do I disable ACPI PNP, I wonder? | 11:05 |
| lamont | aha! | 11:09 |
| lamont | pnpacpi=off | 11:09 |
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| zul | jambo | 11:40 |
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