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=== Topic for #ubuntu-meeting: Tuesday 15 March 2005 20:00 UTC: Technical Board -- http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/TechnicalBoardAgenda. || This is NOT #ubuntu, nor #ubuntu-devel
=== Topic (#ubuntu-meeting): set by Keybuk at Tue Mar 15 21:00:56 2005
(mdz/#ubuntu-meeting) jdub is unlikely to be awake at this hour; I've pinged seb12809:36
(mdz/#ubuntu-meeting) I don't feel confident that we can take a decision on this during this meeting09:36
Q-FUNKmy point is that Gnome might as well skip minor releases completely if we only ever release the first major release of every new version.09:36
mdzI suggest that the issue be raised and discussed on ubuntu-devel so that we can get more input09:36
=== pitti strongly feels against a second stable branch
ograpitti ++09:37
azeemhas there ever been a security issue with GNOME stuff?09:37
pittiyeah09:37
pittievolution, for example09:37
dholbachlibxml2 too09:37
Q-FUNKKeybuk: well, given how close to Hoary we are, might as well focus on that one.  that's how I would alter my proposal to mean $release-updates.09:37
smurfixQ-FUNK: the proposal mentions Debian. Ubuntu isn't Debian, and some QA would still have to be done.09:37
pittiand things like gnome-system-tools are vulnerability-prone as well09:38
smurfixmdz ++09:38
KeybukQ-FUNK: but then we'd again be having to do security support for both pure-hoary and hoary-updates while at the same time doing breezy09:38
Q-FUNKsmurfix: you are aware that seb128 produces packages for both debian and ubuntu, right?09:38
mdzQ-FUNK: will you start the discussion on ubuntu-devel?09:38
dholbachbreezy?09:38
Q-FUNKmdz: gladly09:38
dredggnome is *big*. working it into a release is one thing. bludgeoning it into an already stable release is.. scary.09:38
mdzok09:38
mdzany other business?09:38
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Keybukis the wine thing at the bottom on the agenda?09:39
ajmitchmorning jeff09:39
ajmitchno, it's not, it should have been09:39
mdzis Scott Ritchie here?09:39
smurfixQ-FUNK: He's still just one person.09:39
dholbachyokozar09:39
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dholbachhe seems not to be here09:39
mdzhe doesn't seem to be online09:39
ogranope09:39
mdzhe mentions the winetools package09:40
mdzis there actually an issue for this package?09:40
KeybukI'd like to see well-supported wine in main; but I'm nervous that people might not want to provide support for 18-month old versions of it09:40
ograwhich we will put in unioverse as soon as 3 MOTUs have reviewed it09:40
mdzit is a new package which he would like to see in universe09:40
ogra(according to our NEW policy)09:40
dholbachit's not just winetools, but wine and wine-dev as well, ogra, am i right?09:41
mdzogra: ok, has there been any issue or delay with the review?  is there a backlog?09:41
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mdzwell, there is a separate issue of whether we use Debian's wine packages or Scott's wine packages09:41
ogradholbach, no its currently just winetools09:41
azeemwasn't the issue that somebody (YokoZar?) thought the Debian maintainer was too slow with new upstream releases?09:41
ograyep09:41
ograMithrandir, raised a important point in the mailing list today09:42
dholbachwhile the debian maintainer was ill or something09:42
mdzsupport is not an issue at this point09:42
mdzwine is in universe, and so we make no guarantees about it09:42
Q-FUNKthatnk goodness we have redeundancy at least in chapter and *verse.09:42
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mdzthe questions at hand, as I undertsand it, are: 1) do we include winetools, and 2) do we use Debian's wine or Scott's wine09:43
mdz1) seems obvious; we should include winetools pending review09:43
ograthese two schould be independent09:43
KamionQ-FUNK: note that we do not only release the first major release of every new version; we have the space between preview and final release to catch minor updates09:43
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azeemDebian's wine seems to be maintained again09:43
Kamion(sorry to go back, I was coding)09:43
azeemand Ove Kaaven probably knows a lot about it09:44
dholbachmy point was to get both yokozar and the debian maintainer of wine in a meeting to hear their points09:44
mdzif the review process represents a bottleneck, we should address that, because we want this to go smoothly for new packages09:44
ograyup, and the maintainer said he would look at scotts package soon in a changelog entry09:44
stockholmdholbach: i would not do that.09:44
mdzdholbach: that sounds reasonable09:44
mdzneither of them are present here09:44
Kamionstockholm: can you elaborate?09:44
stockholmdholbach: ove kaaven is *extremly* shy09:44
herveYokoZar could also co-maintain wine with Debian's maintainer09:44
stockholmhe is very awkward to talk to inperson09:45
ograthats what i suggest since about a month herve 09:45
stockholmi would recommend anything but in-person meeting09:45
smurfixstockholm: on IRC too ?09:45
ograstockholm, online09:45
stockholmno, on irc is better09:45
stockholmmuch better09:45
mdzI suggest that we invite both of them to attend one of our scheduled meetings09:45
KamionI think that's what we were talking about to start with :)09:45
stockholmsorry, then09:45
ograsorry for the flood:09:46
smurfixmdz: makes sense. ideally these two should combine their efforts.09:46
ogra * Mention Scott Ritchie's Wine packages in README.Debian.09:46
ogra    Since I have been sick a lot lately, I have not had time09:46
ogra    to review these packages yet, but I can at least mention09:46
ogra    them. After I bring the current Debian packages up to09:46
ogra    date, I'll review his packages, and if I like them, I may09:46
ogra    turn over maintainership to him. Until then, I'm only09:46
ogra    mentioning his packages with caution.09:46
ograthats from the debian wine package09:46
mdzogra: will you send an email to both of them and invite them to the CC meeting in one week?09:46
ograyup09:46
ajmitchogra: and he's done the bringing debian packages up to date09:46
mdzthen we can discuss this more meaningfully, with them present09:46
ograyup09:46
herveit's more reasonable to offer help rather than arguing about Debian not being productive enough09:46
ograyup09:47
mdzok, any other business?09:47
sivangseems not09:47
mdzmeeting adjourned09:47
mdzthanks, all09:47
sivangthanks mdz09:47
dholbachthanks mdz09:47
ajmitchthanks mdz09:47
ograthank you mdz 09:47
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ograelmo, did you recognize i got approved for main uploads ? any action required for that ?09:48
elmoogra: yes, mail keyring@ - I'll deal with it tomorrow morning09:48
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sivangogra: the wine packages could use more help ?09:49
Treenakselmo: same with my universe stuff?09:49
fabbioneogra: you need to bend over and offer yourself to elmo09:49
dholbachhahahaaaaa09:49
ografabbione, i thought zhaz was your part09:49
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fabbioneogra: i can't do everything ;)09:49
ogralol09:49
sivangfabbione: LOL09:49
fabbionei had my share of elmo to have my DD account :P09:49
ogra*G*09:49
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crimsunTreenaks: yes, same.09:51
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Treenakscrimsun: :)09:51
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ograTreenaks, crimsun you heard what fabbione said ;)09:52
Treenaksogra: yeah, but you're our fearless MOTU leader09:52
Treenaksogra: so you can do it FOR us09:52
ogralol09:52
sivangfabbione: so that's why people have been complaining about the DAM ? ;-)09:52
dholbachTreenaks: don't be such a sissy :-)09:53
ajmitchTreenaks: weren't you appointed as well? :)09:53
Treenaksdholbach: hey, you're german, you're used to it!09:53
dholbachTreenaks: used to what?09:53
Treenaksdholbach: abuse, in any sort shape and/or form09:53
dholbachoh... i didnt realize :-)09:53
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