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=== Topic for #ubuntu-meeting: Tuesday 15 March 2005 20:00 UTC: Technical Board -- http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/TechnicalBoardAgenda. || This is NOT #ubuntu, nor #ubuntu-devel | ||
=== Topic (#ubuntu-meeting): set by Keybuk at Tue Mar 15 21:00:56 2005 | ||
(mdz/#ubuntu-meeting) jdub is unlikely to be awake at this hour; I've pinged seb128 | 09:36 | |
(mdz/#ubuntu-meeting) I don't feel confident that we can take a decision on this during this meeting | 09:36 | |
Q-FUNK | my point is that Gnome might as well skip minor releases completely if we only ever release the first major release of every new version. | 09:36 |
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mdz | I suggest that the issue be raised and discussed on ubuntu-devel so that we can get more input | 09:36 |
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ogra | pitti ++ | 09:37 |
azeem | has there ever been a security issue with GNOME stuff? | 09:37 |
pitti | yeah | 09:37 |
pitti | evolution, for example | 09:37 |
dholbach | libxml2 too | 09:37 |
Q-FUNK | Keybuk: well, given how close to Hoary we are, might as well focus on that one. that's how I would alter my proposal to mean $release-updates. | 09:37 |
smurfix | Q-FUNK: the proposal mentions Debian. Ubuntu isn't Debian, and some QA would still have to be done. | 09:37 |
pitti | and things like gnome-system-tools are vulnerability-prone as well | 09:38 |
smurfix | mdz ++ | 09:38 |
Keybuk | Q-FUNK: but then we'd again be having to do security support for both pure-hoary and hoary-updates while at the same time doing breezy | 09:38 |
Q-FUNK | smurfix: you are aware that seb128 produces packages for both debian and ubuntu, right? | 09:38 |
mdz | Q-FUNK: will you start the discussion on ubuntu-devel? | 09:38 |
dholbach | breezy? | 09:38 |
Q-FUNK | mdz: gladly | 09:38 |
dredg | gnome is *big*. working it into a release is one thing. bludgeoning it into an already stable release is.. scary. | 09:38 |
mdz | ok | 09:38 |
mdz | any other business? | 09:38 |
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Keybuk | is the wine thing at the bottom on the agenda? | 09:39 |
ajmitch | morning jeff | 09:39 |
ajmitch | no, it's not, it should have been | 09:39 |
mdz | is Scott Ritchie here? | 09:39 |
smurfix | Q-FUNK: He's still just one person. | 09:39 |
dholbach | yokozar | 09:39 |
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dholbach | he seems not to be here | 09:39 |
mdz | he doesn't seem to be online | 09:39 |
ogra | nope | 09:39 |
mdz | he mentions the winetools package | 09:40 |
mdz | is there actually an issue for this package? | 09:40 |
Keybuk | I'd like to see well-supported wine in main; but I'm nervous that people might not want to provide support for 18-month old versions of it | 09:40 |
ogra | which we will put in unioverse as soon as 3 MOTUs have reviewed it | 09:40 |
mdz | it is a new package which he would like to see in universe | 09:40 |
ogra | (according to our NEW policy) | 09:40 |
dholbach | it's not just winetools, but wine and wine-dev as well, ogra, am i right? | 09:41 |
mdz | ogra: ok, has there been any issue or delay with the review? is there a backlog? | 09:41 |
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mdz | well, there is a separate issue of whether we use Debian's wine packages or Scott's wine packages | 09:41 |
ogra | dholbach, no its currently just winetools | 09:41 |
azeem | wasn't the issue that somebody (YokoZar?) thought the Debian maintainer was too slow with new upstream releases? | 09:41 |
ogra | yep | 09:41 |
ogra | Mithrandir, raised a important point in the mailing list today | 09:42 |
dholbach | while the debian maintainer was ill or something | 09:42 |
mdz | support is not an issue at this point | 09:42 |
mdz | wine is in universe, and so we make no guarantees about it | 09:42 |
Q-FUNK | thatnk goodness we have redeundancy at least in chapter and *verse. | 09:42 |
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mdz | the questions at hand, as I undertsand it, are: 1) do we include winetools, and 2) do we use Debian's wine or Scott's wine | 09:43 |
mdz | 1) seems obvious; we should include winetools pending review | 09:43 |
ogra | these two schould be independent | 09:43 |
Kamion | Q-FUNK: note that we do not only release the first major release of every new version; we have the space between preview and final release to catch minor updates | 09:43 |
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azeem | Debian's wine seems to be maintained again | 09:43 |
Kamion | (sorry to go back, I was coding) | 09:43 |
azeem | and Ove Kaaven probably knows a lot about it | 09:44 |
dholbach | my point was to get both yokozar and the debian maintainer of wine in a meeting to hear their points | 09:44 |
mdz | if the review process represents a bottleneck, we should address that, because we want this to go smoothly for new packages | 09:44 |
ogra | yup, and the maintainer said he would look at scotts package soon in a changelog entry | 09:44 |
stockholm | dholbach: i would not do that. | 09:44 |
mdz | dholbach: that sounds reasonable | 09:44 |
mdz | neither of them are present here | 09:44 |
Kamion | stockholm: can you elaborate? | 09:44 |
stockholm | dholbach: ove kaaven is *extremly* shy | 09:44 |
herve | YokoZar could also co-maintain wine with Debian's maintainer | 09:44 |
stockholm | he is very awkward to talk to inperson | 09:45 |
ogra | thats what i suggest since about a month herve | 09:45 |
stockholm | i would recommend anything but in-person meeting | 09:45 |
smurfix | stockholm: on IRC too ? | 09:45 |
ogra | stockholm, online | 09:45 |
stockholm | no, on irc is better | 09:45 |
stockholm | much better | 09:45 |
mdz | I suggest that we invite both of them to attend one of our scheduled meetings | 09:45 |
Kamion | I think that's what we were talking about to start with :) | 09:45 |
stockholm | sorry, then | 09:45 |
ogra | sorry for the flood: | 09:46 |
smurfix | mdz: makes sense. ideally these two should combine their efforts. | 09:46 |
ogra | * Mention Scott Ritchie's Wine packages in README.Debian. | 09:46 |
ogra | Since I have been sick a lot lately, I have not had time | 09:46 |
ogra | to review these packages yet, but I can at least mention | 09:46 |
ogra | them. After I bring the current Debian packages up to | 09:46 |
ogra | date, I'll review his packages, and if I like them, I may | 09:46 |
ogra | turn over maintainership to him. Until then, I'm only | 09:46 |
ogra | mentioning his packages with caution. | 09:46 |
ogra | thats from the debian wine package | 09:46 |
mdz | ogra: will you send an email to both of them and invite them to the CC meeting in one week? | 09:46 |
ogra | yup | 09:46 |
ajmitch | ogra: and he's done the bringing debian packages up to date | 09:46 |
mdz | then we can discuss this more meaningfully, with them present | 09:46 |
ogra | yup | 09:46 |
herve | it's more reasonable to offer help rather than arguing about Debian not being productive enough | 09:46 |
ogra | yup | 09:47 |
mdz | ok, any other business? | 09:47 |
sivang | seems not | 09:47 |
mdz | meeting adjourned | 09:47 |
mdz | thanks, all | 09:47 |
sivang | thanks mdz | 09:47 |
dholbach | thanks mdz | 09:47 |
ajmitch | thanks mdz | 09:47 |
ogra | thank you mdz | 09:47 |
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ogra | elmo ` | 09:48 |
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ogra | elmo, did you recognize i got approved for main uploads ? any action required for that ? | 09:48 |
elmo | ogra: yes, mail keyring@ - I'll deal with it tomorrow morning | 09:48 |
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sivang | ogra: the wine packages could use more help ? | 09:49 |
Treenaks | elmo: same with my universe stuff? | 09:49 |
fabbione | ogra: you need to bend over and offer yourself to elmo | 09:49 |
dholbach | hahahaaaaa | 09:49 |
ogra | fabbione, i thought zhaz was your part | 09:49 |
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fabbione | ogra: i can't do everything ;) | 09:49 |
ogra | lol | 09:49 |
sivang | fabbione: LOL | 09:49 |
fabbione | i had my share of elmo to have my DD account :P | 09:49 |
ogra | *G* | 09:49 |
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crimsun | Treenaks: yes, same. | 09:51 |
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Treenaks | crimsun: :) | 09:51 |
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ogra | Treenaks, crimsun you heard what fabbione said ;) | 09:52 |
Treenaks | ogra: yeah, but you're our fearless MOTU leader | 09:52 |
Treenaks | ogra: so you can do it FOR us | 09:52 |
ogra | lol | 09:52 |
sivang | fabbione: so that's why people have been complaining about the DAM ? ;-) | 09:52 |
dholbach | Treenaks: don't be such a sissy :-) | 09:53 |
ajmitch | Treenaks: weren't you appointed as well? :) | 09:53 |
Treenaks | dholbach: hey, you're german, you're used to it! | 09:53 |
dholbach | Treenaks: used to what? | 09:53 |
Treenaks | dholbach: abuse, in any sort shape and/or form | 09:53 |
dholbach | oh... i didnt realize :-) | 09:53 |
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