[12:00] <haselden> pepsi: try updatedb
[12:00] <EvilSven> I got synaptic, I know everyone was worried  ;)
[12:01] <shmoolik> any idaels?
[12:02] <pepsi> haselden, thx
[12:02] <haselden> np
[12:02] <dizzie> I think i found my new computer system : SGI Origin 2000 Racks, 64 x Dual 300mhz, 16Gb Memory
[12:03] <dizzie> $28.000 though :)
[12:03] <HrdwrBoB> mm.. I think I'd prefer pentium-m blades
[12:03] <EvilSven> 2000 racks?
[12:03] <Nafallo> anyone with a fresh installed hoary preview or later?
[12:03] <EvilSven> that's a lot  ;)
[12:03] <dizzie> No :)
[12:03] <shmoolik> yeah
[12:04] <shmoolik> Nafallo, I
[12:04] <zenwhen> Nafallo, I did
[12:04] <zenwhen> It worked fine
[12:04] <shmoolik> sure thing :)
[12:05] <Nafallo> shmoolik zenwhen: can you open irssi-text and type /set term_type and say what value is the default for me please? :-)
[12:05] <Nafallo> trying to squash utf-8 support in hoary-bug ;-).
[12:06] <EvilSven> Is there a way to make gnome menus selectable by first letter or so?
[12:06] <zenwhen> 18:09 term_type = 8bit
[12:06] <Nafallo> ha! that should be utf-8 :-P
[12:07] <zenwhen> whats the difference
[12:07] <Nafallo> utf-8 uses universal charactersets.
[12:08] <zenwhen> oh
[12:09] <Delta_Factor> Hrm... I'm looking at installing a new kernel to replace El Generic 386 kernel.  Running on an AMD Athlon XP-M 2000+.  Should I go with the K7, or the 686 kernel?  (And, more to the point, will it break the powernow support if I do?)
[12:09] <evilbutters> I need some help, I am using Warty and I wanted to upgrade to Horay and I downloaded the ISO and tried to burn but whenever I burn, I am using the defualt Burner and it keeps on saying please insert blan/rewiratble media and I have tried around 10 blank CD-R's
[12:09] <evilbutters> blank*
[12:09] <Nafallo> zenwhen: like the rest of the system ;-)
[12:10] <Xirdneh> hi there, i had my wireless working good for about 2 weeks i took my lap to the school to try wireless there and it didnt worked... probably because of security... i came home and now it doesnt work.. i do ifdown wlan0. ifup wlan0 and it doesnt get any DHCPOFFERS.. my eth0 works perfectly any ideas why?
[12:10] <Delta_Factor> (Side note: Also a new Hoary install, irssi also comes up with 8-bit for me as well.)
[12:10] <Nafallo> Delta_Factor: k7, and you will not break powernow :-).
[12:10] <evilbutters> I need some help, I am using Warty and I wanted to upgrade to Horay and I downloaded the ISO and tried to burn but whenever I burn, I am using the defualt Burner and it keeps on saying please insert blan/rewiratble media and I have tried around 10 blank CD-R's
[12:11] <Delta_Factor> Sweet.  Thanks.
[12:11] <trans_err> evilbutters: have you ever used that burner with hat media before?
[12:11] <Nafallo> Xirdneh: a button that has to be pressed to enable the radio? known as killswitch...
[12:12] <Xirdneh> Nafallo. its an internall card..
[12:13] <Nafallo> Xirdneh: yes? the psu is internal also, but you have a power-button :-).
[12:13] <Delta_Factor> Xird: I've got an internal card too, and it has a killswitch.  The system still sees the card, but no data comes in or out.  Try bringing up your wireless card, and then run "iwlist (name of wifi card) scanning" in a terminal.
[12:13] <Delta_Factor> On mine, at least, if the killswitch has the card dead, it comes up with an error along the lines of "Function not supported."
[12:14] <Nafallo> mine seem to be software-based :-)
[12:14] <Xirdneh> Nafallo.. well it seems i cant find it... any ideas where to look?
[12:14] <evilbutters> trans....I just installed Warty, and I have tried 2 different brands of CD-R's
[12:14] <Nafallo> Xirdneh: acer?
[12:15] <Xirdneh> Nafallo.. nope is a Dell and iwlist scan gives me the exact parameter of the wireless modem eccept the acces point :s Delta_Factor
[12:17] <evilbutters> I need some help, I am using Warty and I wanted to upgrade to Horay and I downloaded the ISO and tried to burn but whenever I burn, I am using the defualt Burner and it keeps on saying please insert blan/rewiratble media and I have tried around 10 blank CD-R's
[12:17] <Delta_Factor> I suppose in order to bring the K7 kernel online I need to restart, ne?
[12:18] <ben0ne> evilbutters, apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:18] <Nafallo> Delta_Factor: correct
[12:18] <ben0ne> evilbutters, change warty reference in /etc/apt/sources.list to hoary
[12:18] <Delta_Factor> ...In that case, I'll be back in however long it takes for Ubuntu to figure out that I'm not trying to assassinate it.
[12:19] <Nafallo> lol
[12:19] <evilbutters> how do I change the sources?
[12:19] <evilbutters> ben
[12:20] <ben0ne> evilbutters, vim /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:20] <Nafallo> evilbutters: easiest way is to open a terminal and type the following:
[12:20] <Nafallo> evilbutters: sed -ie 's/warty/hoary/g' /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:21] <Nafallo> evilbutters: my bad
[12:21] <Nafallo> evilbutters: sudo sed -ie 's/warty/hoary/g' /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:21] <ben0ne> Nafallo, :)
[12:21] <evilbutters> and after that lol
[12:21] <Nafallo> evilbutters: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade to upgrade :-)
[12:22] <evilbutters> so I do reg. upgrade first than the other?
[12:22] <Nafallo> evilbutters: that will download a whole bunch off stuff from the net.
[12:22] <ben0ne> evilbutters, sudo apt-get clean would be nice too
[12:22] <ben0ne> before
[12:22] <Nafallo> evilbutters: first update, then dist-upgrade :-).
[12:23] <Nafallo> ben0ne: good point. I belive you forget things when you use deb file pointing to the full mirror in your homedir ;-).
[12:24] <zumbi> what are differences on hoary and warty ?
[12:24] <Nafallo> zumbi: about 6 months of updates. hoary is the development release :-).
[12:24] <caliber> i hope the next release is named better.. hoary sounds like "whorey"
[12:24] <zumbi> warty is the stable ? umm
[12:24] <ben0ne> zumbi, in other words: hoary=new warty=old
[12:24] <zumbi> thanks
[12:25] <ben0ne> :)
[12:25] <EvilSven> I'm using nvtv occasionally, but I get a pink border to the right on my monitor and on the left on the tv.
[12:25] <zumbi> it is debian based, isn't it ?
[12:25] <ben0ne> yes
[12:25] <Nafallo> zumbi: yepp. april the 6th hoary is stable to :-).
[12:25] <Nafallo> caliber: next release is hoary ;-)
[12:25] <caliber> ;/
[12:25] <EvilSven> all is good after a restart of x
[12:25] <Nafallo> zumbi: yepp, derivate :-).
[12:26] <zumbi> what differences are there between debian and ubuntu ?
[12:26] <Butters|XGH|Snip> I've been running Hoary for about a month now... I don't have any problems with it for what I use it for
[12:26] <trans_err> zumbi: the package repositories, and release schedule
[12:26] <EvilSven> anyone experience the same? Happens both in warty and hoary
[12:26] <ntoll> Butters|XGH|Snip, did you have problems setting up plone/zope?
[12:26] <Delta_Factor> This is perfect, except for the whole "ACPI hates my system" thing, and I'm still working on that.  Near as I can figure, Averatec's just don't like linux when it comes to suspend/hibernate procedures.
[12:27] <Butters|XGH|Snip> ntoll, what the hell is a plone/zope?
[12:27] <zumbi> i am a debian user, and i was wondering, why ubuntu is so popular
[12:27] <Nafallo> zumbi: IMO ubuntu is more userfriendly and has some kick-ass developers fixing stuff :-).
[12:27] <rwabel> hi
[12:27] <ntoll> Butters|XGH|Snip, don't worry... wrong chan
[12:27] <rwabel> zumbi: because it works well out of the box :-) a lot of additional stuff
[12:28] <Nafallo> zumbi: on debian you configure things after installation, in ubuntu you don't have to ;-).
[12:28] <zumbi> debian works fine to me, but i'll like to taste ubuntu, i might try the live-cd
[12:28] <zumbi> well, in fact i don't mind, to configure.. :-) i like to admin
[12:28] <Nafallo> zumbi: I was a debian-user for several years before I made the switch :-).
[12:28] <BiteMeBill> Ubuntu caused me to wipe out every Microslut install I had here.
[12:29] <zumbi> hehehe
[12:29] <rwabel> can anyone help me out with problems about special characters. it cannot display them correctly, I've choose about everywhere utf-8. Don't know what else I could check
[12:29] <mz2> does anybody know an app i could use to extract image sequences of e.g. quicktime movs (or any mpeg1,2,4 content)
[12:29] <blizah> is rhythm box in the ubuntu universe?
[12:29] <mz2> image sequences as in stacks of tiffs, png's, jpegs
[12:30] <evilbutters> I am currently downloading the Horay update through Terminal and I was wondering when it finishes, will it update to Horay automatically?
[12:30] <zumbi> thanks to all, i'll try the live-cd, sure it's good....
[12:30] <cowbud> through Terminal wtf is that?
[12:30] <BiteMeBill> evilbutters: it will when you reboot.
[12:31] <knigitz> i'm trying to install the official ati drivers from ati.com on ubuntu, is there anyway to install the rpm package? i can't use the ones that come with ubuntu because my motherboard/video card combo seems to pink tint everything :/
[12:31] <Nafallo> zumbi: me to, but I still like things in ubuntu better. the init-system is lsb-ized and looks better, laptop support kicks ass out of the box, restricted, propriatory drivers + firmware installs automagically, and foremost, it's a more calm environment than debian, less fights on the mailinglists.
[12:31] <BiteMeBill> cowbud: wtf do you think it is.
[12:32] <Nafallo> dooh!
[12:32] <cowbud> BiteMeBill: hrmm I probably wouldn't have asked had I known
[12:32] <Nafallo> blizah: no, main :-)
[12:32] <mz2> am i just imagining it or has the bootup sequence just gotten a whole lot quicker after my last apt-get update
[12:33] <Delta_Factor> Zumbi went poof, Nafallo.  While I agree with you on most things, the laptop support isn't quite at its fullest yet.  Closing the lid on this thing, I've found, is a Bad Thing (tm)
[12:33] <BiteMeBill> cowbud: right click your desk top and then choose open terminal and you will see.
[12:33] <PoopinClumpin> i just installed hoary and updated the packages with the repository. then i installed gdesklets from synaptic but when i launch the gdesklets shell it just hangs then eventually dies
[12:33] <mz2> upgrade, even :)
[12:33] <Nafallo> cowbud: what you probably would refer to as "command prompt" ;-)
[12:33] <cowbud> BiteMeBill: well I might have guessed xterm given terminal in the name, but then again I can't download with Terminal so I thought maybe it was something else..
[12:33] <Nafallo> mz2: depends if you switched from warty ;-)
[12:34] <BiteMeBill> cowbud: why can't you?
[12:34] <mz2> Nafallo, nah, just random updating in hoary :)
[12:34] <Nafallo> Delta_Factor: that was the reason for "dooh!" ;-). Well, everything is relative. Compare the laptop-support to debian, as I did ;-).
[12:34] <cowbud> BiteMeBill: uhh cause terminal is a x windows terminal emulator not a download client I thought maybe terminal was some ubuntu specific crazy bob that was a frontend to apt, the program the person probably was using to download hoary is they put it..
[12:34] <cowbud> is/as
[12:35] <Nafallo> cowbud: gnome-terminal :-)
[12:35] <BiteMeBill> cowbud: Oh your not running ubuntu?
[12:35] <cowbud> Nafallo: yah I got that..
[12:35] <Nafallo> mz2: you might imagine then ;-)
[12:35] <cowbud> BiteMeBill: regardless of whether or not I am running ubuntu it doesn't mean I know everything about it..so I was just curious there is no point in discussing this further since he meant a terminal emulator or most likely gnome-terminal...
[12:35] <BiteMeBill> PoopinClumpin: I'm trying to get mine back too.
[12:36] <BiteMeBill> cowbud: Ok fine.
[12:36] <cowbud> excellent
[12:36] <cowbud> what desklets do you guys use I find they just get in the way..
[12:36] <Nafallo> *s*
[12:36] <Nafallo> as I said, less fights here ;-)
[12:36] <cowbud> Nafallo: hah than where debian?
[12:37] <Delta_Factor> Nafallo: I'd prefer to compare it to gentoo.  Nothing against it, mind you, but I, in my infinite wisdom, went through two days of compiling, booted up the system, and within 5 seconds of the BIOS splash screen going away was faced with "AIEEEE! Kernel Panic!"
[12:37] <Nafallo> cowbud: I was probably asking for trouble when tracking d-project@l.d.o ;-).
[12:37] <Nafallo> Delta_Factor: LOL
[12:38] <cowbud> Nafallo: especially since the last few days..
[12:38] <Nafallo> cowbud: I unsubscribed after "apt-0.6" ;-)
[12:39] <cowbud> haha
[12:39] <Nafallo> cowbud: infact I unsubscribed everything debian except security-announce, news and firewall :-P.
[12:39] <rm> is there anyway to have ubuntu startup with displaying only graphics ? ie no console display text at all ?
[12:39] <BiteMeBill> PoopinClumpin: Have you check out http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=19936&highlight=gdesklets+hoary
[12:39] <cowbud> Nafallo: yah I try to stick around there also since they don't really have a corporate backing and their base OS really is the basis for all good Linux distros :)
[12:40] <Nafallo> rm: not yet. I believe that's a goal for bendy.
[12:40] <rattboi> ok
[12:40] <rattboi> I have an ALSA question
[12:40] <rattboi> can anyone mayb help me?
[12:40] <rm> natfallo: do you know what they are using to achieve it?
[12:40] <Nafallo> cowbud: :-)
[12:40] <rattboi> It seems that ALSA is identifying 2 devices and only using the one I don't want to use
[12:41] <Nafallo> rm: developing usplash :-)
[12:41] <rattboi> I have a sound card and it's also identifying some USB Audio device
[12:41] <Hackmo> Hey, can anyone tell me why typing "nautilus://Applications" in termnial gives me an error?
[12:41] <rattboi> and alsa says the USB audio has no mixer
[12:41] <rm> natfallo: how can i found out info about bendy?
[12:41] <zubunt> Hello. Can anybody tell me why 3d acceleration isn't working with my ati 9000?
[12:41] <rattboi> Hackmo, are you running hoary?
[12:41] <Hackmo> yeah
[12:42] <rattboi> new gnome uses new freedesktop spec for menus
[12:42] <rattboi> the thing you want doesn't work anymore
[12:42] <zubunt> logfile tells my dri is enabled, glxinfo says no dri
[12:42] <rattboi> it'll likely work later
[12:42] <Hackmo> oh ok
[12:42] <Hackmo> thanks
[12:42] <mjr> zubunt, hmh, put the log file up somewhere for a looksee?
[12:43] <Nafallo> rm: the almighty wiki should have some :-). but I think it's named grumpy over there ;-)
[12:43] <rattboi> zubunt, did you install by hand or use restricted-modules package?
[12:43] <zubunt> mjr: moment plz
[12:43] <zubunt> rattboi: I try to use the normal (read gpl'd) ati driver
[12:44] <R0bNyc> I tried installing Ubuntu Preview and it gave me so many errors
[12:44] <mjr> zubunt, I've the free DRI driver working with an 9250, by the way, so it's not a lost cause probably ;)
[12:44] <R0bNyc> and I dont think it was a bad burn
[12:44] <R0bNyc> probably since I used gnomebaker
[12:44] <rattboi> huh, I just tried "alsactl -c 1" and it shows controls for my soundcard
[12:45] <rattboi> how do I flip the device order or change it so default mixer is for card 1?
[12:45] <zubunt> mjr: my apache is dead, no idea where to copy my log file
[12:45] <mjr> zubunt, dcc?
[12:46] <zubunt> whart is dcc?
[12:46] <mjr> try /dcc send mjr logfile
[12:47] <Nafallo> zubunt: even easier. restart apache ;-)
[12:47] <mjr> meanwhile, check at least that /dev/dri/card0 exists and is accessible by the video user
[12:47] <EvilSven> is there any log for gnome "events"? or some status console? Good to have when things just don't happen after trying to start from menu?
[12:47] <zubunt> My chatclient says no such command :-(
[12:47] <Nafallo> zul: hi there :)
[12:47] <mjr> Ah, gaim. Well. Dunno about that.
[12:47] <zubunt> crw-rw-rw-  1 root root 226, 0 2005-03-15 00:20 card0
[12:48] <mjr> zubunt, try putting the log on http://pastebin.com/
[12:48] <zul> hey Nafallo
[12:49] <Delta_Factor> Is there any way I can set up my system so that, at bootup, I can modprobe in my wifi card (via NDISwrapper - whoever made that should be canonized), but not have the system sit there for a few minutes trying to figure out "Dur... where is da AP?"
[12:49] <Nafallo> baah, I should go to bed.
[12:49] <Nafallo> I'll re-build my server tomorrow probably ;-)
[12:50] <zubunt> http://pastebin.com/256360
[12:51] <Delta_Factor> i.e. shorten the wait timeout?
[12:51] <zubunt> mjr: Line 836 says dri should work
[12:53] <mjr> zubunt, yes indeed, and I really can't find any other fault either
[12:53] <zubunt> Strange :-(
[12:54] <mjr> and you said glxinfo just says "direct rendering: No"?
[12:54] <mjr> bugger
[12:55] <mjr> recommend going to the experts at dri.sourceforge.net
[12:55] <zubunt> display: :0  screen: 0
[12:55] <zubunt> direct rendering: No
[12:55] <zubunt> server glx vendor string: SGI
[12:55] <mjr> their appropriate mailing list, to be exact
[12:55] <mjr> oh, and you didn't have frglx installed, right? (not merely not in use, but not installed also)?
[12:56] <StoffBox-Steve> n8 all, its bed time .... 4 hour left for sleep :(
[12:56] <zubunt> Ok, will read their fm first :-D
[12:57] <niterider> hello
[12:58] <niterider> quick question, i'm running a AMD Duron 1.2...should i apt-get install linux-k7 or 686...which is better for a 1.2 duron to use?
[12:58] <netpuppy> niterider: k7
[12:58] <rm> if i download and install 5.04-preview, will i have to reinstall when the release goes public ?
[12:59] <niterider> thanks
[12:59] <mjr> rm, no, you can upgrade via the net
[12:59] <rm> ok cool
[12:59] <zubunt> I updated from warty without problems (exept 3d gfx)
[12:59] <netpuppy> hmm, I'm having trouble playing 32-bit games on my amd64 box with ubuntu
[01:00] <netpuppy> anybody had luck with that?
[01:00] <niterider> ?..really how does one update from warty to hoary without burning the iso?
[01:00] <netpuppy> I've copied the required libs to lib32 and installed the games using 'linux32'
[01:00] <Ribs> niterider: do a dist-update
[01:01] <niterider> that's it?
[01:01] <niterider> cool
[01:01] <Ribs> niterider: basically, you change the /etc/apt/sources.lst file to point to hoary sources
[01:01] <niterider> ok
[01:01] <Ribs> then you just get synaptic to 'mark all upgrades' and apply :)
[01:01] <netpuppy> niterider: replace all instances of 'warty' with 'hoary' in your sources.list and dist-upgrade
[01:01] <Ribs> easy
[01:01] <mjr> Ribs, if he installs the hoary preview, he won't even have to edit it :)
[01:01] <niterider> so change everything that now says warty to hoary then dist update
[01:01] <niterider> k...i didn't know that...ty
[01:02] <Ribs> 'tis the beauty of apt
[01:02] <BiteMeBill> niterider: do you have backports in your source list?
[01:02] <netpuppy> niterider: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:02] <niterider> is it advisable to do it now, or should i wait till it's more stable
[01:02] <netpuppy> note the difference between update and upgrade
[01:02] <niterider> 1 yes..i say it in a help page..1 sec..checking
[01:02] <Ribs> I personally advise you wait
[01:03] <Ribs> Hoary isn't finished yet
[01:03] <netpuppy> hoary is nice though
[01:03] <Fackamato> I think i have a ubuntu-related problem.
[01:04] <Fackamato> running ubuntu hoary, 2.6.10-4-k7.
[01:04] <Ribs> It'll be out April 6th
[01:04] <niterider> i have this one in my synaptic
[01:04] <Ribs> so not long to wait :)
[01:04] <niterider> backports ubuntu
[01:04] <BiteMeBill> I just updated to Hoary today and had a couple of problems so I'm still on the fence about it.
[01:04] <woodwizzle> Is everything frozen for hoary already or is it possible to sneak in some new features?
[01:04] <BiteMeBill> niterider: if you have the warty backports they aren't the same for the hoary...
[01:05] <niterider> k..i'll take your advice and wait...as it is i'm lovin warty...i'm havin a blast
[01:05] <BiteMeBill> niterider: can't just change the name warty to hoary the lines are completely different.
[01:05] <niterider> the only backport i think i installed was firefox
[01:05] <niterider> k..
[01:06] <niterider> i'll wait
[01:06] <niterider> it's running great like this
[01:06] <Hytak> Hi
[01:06] <BiteMeBill> The new look and feel seems to take a little to get used to..
[01:06] <Fackamato> Is there any ubuntu-developer in here?
[01:07] <Fackamato> I need to speak with a developer about ubuntu-specific things
[01:07] <Hytak> The kernel sources for5.04, 2.6.10 aren't on the cd... where can I get them?
[01:07] <Hytak> Oh, mayve it is not 2.6.10
[01:07] <Hytak> But the fact is that they aren't there
[01:07] <BiteMeBill> Fackamato: you might check #ubuntu-devel
[01:07] <Hytak> Or I didn't see them
[01:07] <Fackamato> BiteMeBill: thanks
[01:08] <BiteMeBill> Hytak: I'm showing 2.6.10-4
[01:09] <Hytak> And where can we get the kernel sources? I can't use apt
[01:09] <zubunt> mjr: At least I found the error, but not the cure
[01:09] <Hytak> Because I nett the kernel sources to use my modem
[01:09] <mjr> zubunt, what is it? (curious))
[01:10] <niterider> oh yeah...1 last thing..i need to know...been asked a lot...does hoary have phillips webcam support in it or is it still gone?
[01:10] <haselden> hi all.. i'm having a weird networking issue.  connecting to a site (via http or ping, or bit torrent) takes a very long time.  once i've connected the first time, visits thereafter seem much quicker.  Once i'm at a site, download speeds are fine....i've seen issues re: ipv6 and have followed steps to disable that in the kernel...any other ideas?
[01:10] <gabaug> is it possible to hook up another machine's ethernet jack to mine, and provide it internet via my wireless connection?
[01:10] <Fackamato>  using fglrx driver, ati card, 2.6.10-k7, i install the driver, i load it, xorg works fine. i reboot, xorg doesn't start, i get this: www.tehjunkyard.net/xorg.log . i modprobe -r fglrx.ko, I copy the fglrx.ko from fglrx package to /lib/modules/kernelversion/kernel/drivers/video/fglrx.ko and modprobe it again. now it works. reboot, doesn't work. I have to rmmod and copy the file again, and it works.
[01:10] <mjr> gabaug, short answer: yes
[01:11] <Fackamato> does ubuntu copy over the file or something?
[01:11] <Fackamato> :>
[01:11] <srbaker> yo
[01:11] <Amaranth> srbaker: Places -> Connect to server
[01:11] <Amaranth> choose ssh
[01:11] <srbaker> how do i make an sftp folder in nautilus?  i saw it in edd's blog
[01:11] <srbaker> ahh, thanks
[01:11] <zubunt> libGL: XF86DRIGetClientDriverName: 4.0.1 r200 (screen 0)
[01:11] <zubunt> libGL: OpenDriver: trying /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/r200_dri.so
[01:11] <zubunt> libGL error: dlopen /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/r200_dri.so failed (/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/r200_dri.so: undefined symbol: _glapi_get_dispatch)
[01:11] <zubunt> dri for r200 seems to be broken in xorg
[01:13] <niterider> anyone know about the philips webcam support in hoary?
[01:13] <wasabi_> Fackamato, are you using the fglrx from the Ubuntu packages?
[01:13] <Fackamato> nope
[01:14] <Fackamato> built it myself
[01:14] <wasabi_> Do so.
[01:14] <Fackamato> that gives me 1000fps less :<
[01:14] <Quest-Master> :(
[01:14] <wasabi_> then you aren't using fglrx from ubuntu
[01:14] <Fackamato> fglrx from ubuntu is 8.10.19 ?
[01:14] <Quest-Master> Why does every program take so long to open in Ubuntu lately?
[01:14] <mjr> zubunt, weird; I do believe my (today upgraded) Hoary also uses that very same driver for my 9250
[01:15] <Fackamato> Version: 6.8.0-8.8.25-0ubuntu7
[01:15] <Fackamato> I'm using hoary, and the driver version there is old. :/
[01:15] <Fackamato> Quest-Master: how do you mean? is your X accelerated? harddrives using hdparm? check with top in a terminal what eats resources
[01:15] <wasabi_> Did you uninstall the hoary version then?
[01:15] <Fackamato> before I built my own? of course.
[01:16] <wasabi_> And you say the file in /lib/modules is actually disappearing or something?
[01:16] <zubunt> mjr: Maybee I shouldn't have updated from warty :-D
[01:16] <mjr> zubunt, ... I did :)
[01:16] <Fackamato> wasabi_: it's not disappearing
[01:16] <Fackamato> it loads
[01:16] <Fackamato> but xorg shows that error
[01:16] <mjr> zubunt, anyway, it worked in warty, then?
[01:16] <wasabi_> Well, it sounds like it's buggy to me. ;0
[01:16] <Fackamato> i rmmod the module
[01:16] <wasabi_> Might want to ask why the new one isn't packaged.
[01:17] <wasabi_> Because I got a feeling... ;)
[01:17] <zubunt> mjr: Can you do
[01:17] <zubunt> export LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose
[01:17] <zubunt> glxinfo
[01:17] <zubunt> and show me the result?
[01:17] <Fackamato> wasabi_: feeling of what?
[01:17] <wasabi_> That it's not packaged because it doesn't work.
[01:17] <Hytak> Doesn't I have gcc with Ubuntu 5.04? ! :S
[01:17] <zubunt> mjr: I didn't try.
[01:17] <mjr> zubunt, actually, are you positive that you've moved completely from warty packages to hoary? apt-get install x-window-system-core?
[01:18] <Quest-Master> How do I accelerate X.Org, Fackamato? I have an Intel Integrated Extreme graphics card
[01:18] <mjr> 'cause for me, it didn't upgrade all the X packages with just a dist-upgrade
[01:18] <pshot> hi all. i've been trying all day to get the fglrx driver to work, but i just cant. i've installed restricted modules,hoary etc. what can i try next?
[01:18] <mjr> libGL: XF86DRIGetClientDriverName: 4.0.1 r200 (screen 0)
[01:18] <mjr> libGL: OpenDriver: trying /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/r200_dri.so
[01:18] <mjr> and works fine
[01:18] <Fackamato> Quest-Master: lspci to see what chipset your video card uses
[01:18] <Quest-Master> Fackamato: Akso, how do I know if my harrd drives are using hdparm?
[01:18] <blizah> fglrx drivers= the ones i need for a ati radeon 9800 pro?
[01:18] <Fackamato> wasabi_: it works partially. I just rmmod it, recopy it, insmod it, and it works. i just have to do this every boot. that's what I don't understand
[01:19] <mjr> blizah, yes (for 3d, at least)
[01:19] <zubunt> x-window-system-core is installed
[01:19] <Quest-Master> Fackamato: 0000:00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G] /GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 03)
[01:19] <Fackamato> Quest-Master: sudp apt-get install hdparm
[01:19] <mjr> zubunt, and is the newest version?
[01:19] <Dakko> Oh, wow
[01:19] <zubunt> 6.8.2-2
[01:19] <Quest-Master> Fackamato: It is installed.. what do I do with it?
[01:19] <blizah> mjr seems like the ones in ubuntu are really old 2.something whereas the current ones are 8.something  ...should probably upgrade to hoary :D
[01:19] <Fackamato> Quest-Master: nothing, it should work then
[01:20] <mjr> zubunt, righto. Well. Hmh. Duh.
[01:20] <Quest-Master> Fackamato: Ah, ok. Also, any way to acclerate my device?  Intel Corp. 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G] /GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 03)
[01:21] <zubunt> dpkg -S told me that
[01:21] <zubunt> xlibmesa-dri: /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/r200_dri.so
[01:21] <zubunt> My xlibmesa-dri is 6.8.2-2, and yours?
[01:21] <pshot> anyone know whats wrong?
[01:21] <mjr> blizah, their development was a bit dormant for a while, IIRC, and they recently released new ones. Don't know spesifics, though, as I get by on the free driver.
[01:21] <mjr> zubunt, the same
[01:21] <zubunt> Starnge :-/
[01:21] <mjr> zubunt, by the way, amd64 here, even if that shouldn't matter
[01:21] <Fackamato> Quest-Master: I don't know what driver you should use
[01:22] <mjr> zubunt, are there any packages "kept back" when you try a dist-upgrade?
[01:23] <haselden> hi all.. i'm having a weird networking issue.  connecting to a site (via http or ping, or bit torrent) takes a very long time.  once i've connected the first time, visits thereafter seem much quicker.  Once i'm at a site, download speeds are fine....i've seen issues re: ipv6 and have followed steps to disable that in the kernel...any other ideas?
[01:23] <Fackamato> haselden: if you're using firefox, google some tweaks, they are in the ubuntu forums afaik
[01:23] <zubunt> mjr: No kept pack packages, but i discovered an xfree package. I am removing that manually
[01:23] <mjr> zubunt, yes, I'm grasping at straws a bit here :)
[01:23] <haselden> i've done that
[01:23] <haselden> i get really slow ping responses as well
[01:23] <Fackamato> then it's your isp i guess
[01:23] <Fackamato> traceroute some slow site
[01:23] <Fackamato> and see what's slow
[01:24] <haselden> works fine under windows and on my other machines is the weird thign
[01:24] <haselden> i even get a tracker timeout trying to download ubuntu on bit torrent
[01:24] <haselden> but then it starts up
[01:25] <Fackamato> weird
[01:25] <zubunt> mjr: I thought that should have been removed automatically. Maybee I was too optimistic here :-D
[01:25] <Delta_Factor> Different OS, same blasted annoying X button.
[01:26] <haselden> so you haven't heard of anything similar happening?? i know that it's possible for ipv6 stuff to maybe cause a problem
[01:26] <haselden> i disabled that in /etc/hosts/ and systctl.com
[01:26] <haselden> systctl.conf that is
[01:26] <Fackamato> haselden: check your /etc/modutils/aliases
[01:26] <mjr> haselden, I vaguely remember that some people have had problems with slow DNS lookups, and it sounds like it might be it
[01:26] <Fackamato> alias net-pf-10 off             # IPv6
[01:26] <mjr> no spesifics, sorry
[01:27] <Fackamato> uncomment htat one
[01:27] <mjr> oh, and when I notice some more of your comments with symtoms, it might not be slow dns lookups after all
[01:27] <mjr> :P
[01:28] <haselden> alias net-pf-10 off ipv6
[01:28] <haselden> that's what i have in my aliases
[01:28] <haselden> i modified that based on a tip i googled
[01:28] <[-Soultrance-] > Could anyone offer me a bit of help perchance?
[01:28] <haselden> when i ping, i get the ip back right away, so my guess waasn't dns
[01:29] <mjr> yep
[01:29] <Fackamato> [-Soultrance-] : don't ask to ask, just ask
[01:29] <mjr> add the #, it's significant
[01:29] <[-Soultrance-] > hehe, sorry
[01:29] <Fackamato> mjr: no, then it isn't turned off
[01:29] <Fackamato> (hence off before ipv6 in that line)
[01:29] <mjr> I meant the # before "ipv6", not before the line
[01:30] <mjr> ipv6 isn't part of the syntax
[01:30] <haselden> right
[01:30] <zubunt> mjr_ Maybee the update wasn't so problemless. I discovered fglrx packages and nvidia packes :-O
[01:30] <haselden> i tried it with and without
[01:30] <[-Soultrance-] > I'm running Hoary right now (not on it atm though) and was wondering if there was anyway to manually up my screen res ? I can't get it above 1024 x 768 with the built in res thingy and i know my monitor and vid card can take the res because i run it on winxp
[01:30] <mjr> zubunt, ok, now _those_ might interfere :)
[01:30] <Quest-Master> Epiphany in Hoary is incredibly fast.. the developers have done a good job with it
[01:30] <[-Soultrance-] > been searching the forums for an answer and can't seem to find one
[01:30] <Delta_Factor> Okay.... APIC or however the hell it's spelled problem: When I close the lid (with nolapic set on, otherwise the damn thing crashes like a lead zepplin), wait, and then reopen, all I get is a blank screen with a blinking cursor.  Is there any way I can get suspend to do something useful?
[01:30] <haselden> so i should try this again: alias net-pf-10 off #ipv6 ?
[01:30] <mjr> Quest-Master, yep, I'm also impressed by galeon in hoary; probably due to the same mozilla improvements
[01:30] <zubunt> Crappy non gpl'd stuff :-D
[01:30] <mjr> haselden, yes
[01:31] <Fackamato> [-Soultrance-] : you have to configure the x server. set the proper values etc.
[01:31] <Quest-Master> Galeon is in Hoary?
[01:31] <haselden> do i need a full reboot, or just a network restart?
[01:31] <[-Soultrance-] > okay
[01:31] <[-Soultrance-] > I'm a bit of a n00b with linux, so I'll read up on that
[01:32] <[-Soultrance-] > I tried to gedit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 like I saw someone suggest and the file was empty
[01:32] <mjr> haselden, well, if you can rmmod ipv6 without too much of a hassle, it should do it, but failing that, reboot might be easy
[01:32] <wasabi_> [-Soultrance-] , did you use sudo?
[01:32] <haselden> ok
[01:32] <[-Soultrance-] > yeah, I was in as root at the time
[01:32] <mjr> [-Soultrance-] , Hoary uses X.org, for which the correct file is /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:32] <oggah> when will next release be released?
[01:32] <mjr> [-Soultrance-] , basically the same format though
[01:32] <haselden> lsmod isn't showing ipv6 in there...meaning it's not loaded right ?
[01:32] <[-Soultrance-] > uhhh, okay, thats what it is
[01:33] <[-Soultrance-] > that explains why
[01:33] <mjr> haselden, okay, then it might be that even without the hash the line might've been effective already
[01:33] <[-Soultrance-] > brilliant, thanks mjr, I will give that one a go
[01:33] <mjr> (dunno really how picky the module tools are about it)
[01:35] <gma> where is you gtk theme config stored (i.e. which file?)
[01:35] <gma> I thought it was .gtkrc, but that's not changed since 2002!
[01:36] <Fackamato> someone? http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=94561#post94561
[01:36] <Quarupt> my thumb drive Automounted in warty, but it doesnt in Hoary, how can i add it to my fstab?
[01:36] <neom> Is warty or hordy the new one?
[01:36] <Quarupt> Hoary
[01:37] <Quarupt> its the "Testing" one, but its going stable in like 2 weeks
[01:37] <woodwizzle> Any tomboy users in here?
[01:37] <gma> yep
[01:37] <Boomstickz> hey guys heres a question i've always been wondering, I doubt you can do this, but is there a way to minimize fullscreen applications in gnome?
[01:37] <zubunt> mjr: That was it. libGL.so was from the ATI package and this one didn't like the r200 stuff
[01:37] <gma> Boomstickz, Alt+F9
[01:37] <woodwizzle> What hotkey do you use to search your notes?
[01:37] <Quarupt> I need to mount  thumbdrive?  Boomstickz ya try alt-tab?
[01:37] <oggah> alot of things being added, fixed etc. in the hoary release?
[01:37] <speedy2782> I have a really  big newb question. I am going to install a theme but don't know have to find the /.themes folder
[01:38] <gma> woodwizzle, I don't. I do it so infrequently that I just use the menu
[01:38] <speedy2782> what is the hoary default /.themes directory?
[01:38] <Delta_Factor> Anyone know if there is a VIA ACPI module?
[01:38] <gma> speedy2782, ls ~/themes
[01:38] <mjr> zubunt, righto :)
[01:38] <gma> speedy2782, ls ~/.themes
[01:38] <Boomstickz> hmm alt-f9 and alt-tab do not work, i've tried alt-tab before
[01:38] <Quarupt> IS there a program in Gnome/KDE for mounting thumbdrives?
[01:38] <Quest-Master> mjr: Do you like Galeon better than Epiphany?
[01:39] <gma> speedy2782, in other words, it's called .themes in your home directory. open the themes config dialog, then click "Theme Details". Then click "Go To Theme Folder" and you'll get it open in the UI
[01:39] <speedy2782> I didn't find it
[01:39] <Quest-Master> Apparently, it eats about 3MB of memory less than Epiphany
[01:39] <oggah> which is the best .mp3 player for Ubuntu?
[01:39] <zubunt> bzflag is nice with accelerated gfx :-D
[01:39] <mjr> Quest-Master, yes, due to some little things
[01:39] <gma> speedy2782, better yet, to install a new one open the themes preferences dialog and drag and drop your tar.gz file onto it. that should install it.
[01:39] <Quest-Master> oggah: sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad, then run Rhythmbox
[01:39] <Quest-Master> mjr: Hm, interesting
[01:39] <oggah> ok :) thanx
[01:39] <underlord> im looking to network to linux computers (one that is yet to become linux), i need to get 2 ethernet cards, is ethernet the kind of thing that works over a standard interface or does each manufacturer provide their own unique drivers?
[01:39] <mjr> Quest-Master, like the feature that I can right-click on reload and reload all tabs simultaneously :)
[01:40] <Quest-Master> Epiphany seems to be intensely popular
[01:40] <mjr> underlord, each network card needs a spesific driver
[01:40] <Quarupt> would a thumb drive be /dev/sda?
[01:40] <Quest-Master> underlord: You will need specific drivers
[01:40] <mjr> Quarupt, most probaby, if you don't have other scsi discs
[01:40] <gma> underlord, different cards often require different drivers, but most cards are supported with drivers that come with Linux.
[01:40] <oggah> Quest-Master, you really read my mind.
[01:40] <oggah> :)
[01:40] <underlord> so how can i find linux compatable cards?
[01:41] <woodwizzle> Any tomboy users in here? What hotkey do you use for search or create new notes?
[01:41] <mjr> well, as said, most should work; I find that 3com or intel are the safest bets though
[01:41] <speedy2782> underlord: what are you looking for?
[01:41] <Quarupt> mjr, how do i mount it? mount /dev/sda /media/sda?
[01:41] <Quest-Master> oggah: Is that a good thing? :)
[01:42] <mjr> Quarupt, for example, though it really should be automounted
[01:42] <mjr> Quarupt, and you might want to use pmount instead, as a regular user
[01:42] <underlord> speedy2782: well i have an old x86 box and a newer one, i plan to turn the newer one in to a x11 terminal server and the other a client, and i need a network that can handle that
[01:42] <DazeD||laptop> grrrR!!!!!!!
[01:42] <oggah> yes =)
[01:42] <Quarupt> mjr, yea but its not automounting, it was when i was using warty?
[01:43] <DazeD||laptop> anyone know any good techniques to keep a computer from overheating
[01:43] <gma> underlord, any old ethernet will do what you want. doesn't have to be 100Mbit.
[01:43] <gma> you just need to make sure you get supported cards.
[01:43] <DazeD||laptop> or a laptop i sould say
[01:43] <DazeD||laptop> i cant even get through my ubuntu install without it overheating shutting off and i have to start all over again
[01:43] <underlord> yeah, and how do i find out if they are supported?
[01:44] <gma> DazeD||laptop, check your CPU fan is actually in contact with the cpu. and check it's spinning.
[01:44] <eb0x> -_-
[01:44] <gma> underlord, google google google
[01:44] <DazeD||laptop> gma: it is both
[01:44] <underlord> DazeD||laptop: you could try underclocking, or better cooling system, and make sure you havent gut dust on your cpu heatsink
[01:44] <eb0x> Anytime I try to download something from gtk-gnutella it closes ...
[01:44] <DazeD||laptop> hwo do i underclock it?
[01:44] <DazeD||laptop> cuzi  know that would work
[01:44] <DazeD||laptop> cuz on windows it auto underclocks the processor and it stays on forever
[01:45] <FR500> hi
[01:45] <DazeD||laptop> but i dunno how to do it while im installing ubuntu
[01:45] <underlord> ooh, its a laptop processor is it?
[01:45] <DazeD||laptop> yes
[01:45] <FR500> when i try to compule something it says lib/cpp fails saniti check
[01:45] <underlord> intel or amd?
[01:45] <FR500> What can i do?
[01:45] <DazeD||laptop> amd
[01:45] <HrdwrBoB> FR500: apt-get install build-essential
[01:45] <FR500> thx
[01:45] <homer2> hello
[01:46] <homer2> have there been reports of the X11 libs just suddenly disappearing?
[01:46] <DazeD||laptop> any ideas underlord?
[01:46] <speedy2782> I would set up a fast airspeed fan on then outside towards the back. The next thing to do is make sure that you dont set it on a flat surface. Like get 4 posts to set it on
[01:46] <speedy2782> that way there will be airflow all around
[01:46] <underlord> DazeD||laptop: well you probably just need to install some app to monitor the cpu temperature, recent amd cpu's (provided the motherboard supports it) can be underclocked and overclocked while they are running
[01:46] <speedy2782> that way you will get through the install then ubuntu will control the heat
[01:46] <underlord> also you might be able to change some clock settings in your bios
[01:46] <quarupt> weird, it automounts my thumbdrive in, gnome just not kde
[01:46] <speedy2782> agreed
[01:47] <DazeD||laptop> yeah i need oto do it while its installing if i kept like a bag of ice or something cold underneath the processor? u think that would work?
[01:47] <underlord> maybe lol
[01:47] <DazeD||laptop> lol
[01:47] <DazeD||laptop> well im oging to go give it a shot
[01:47] <DazeD||laptop> thanks guys
[01:47] <underlord> put it in the freezer then open the door every now and then and check how its going :P
[01:48] <speedy2782> Good idea underlord
[01:48] <mike_douglas> Any docs on Ubuntu + Kickstart yet?
[01:48] <speedy2782> just make sure it is defrosted first
[01:48] <Delta_Factor> I hope he thinks to seal the bag properly.  I'm no expert, but a big pool of water in the bottom of one's case is usually considered a bad thing.
[01:48] <Quest-Master> When will we have GUI menu editing in Hoary? :(
[01:48] <speedy2782> soon
[01:48] <speedy2782> look under wiki
[01:48] <Quest-Master> Ack
[01:49] <speedy2782> it is being developed
[01:49] <underlord> lol
[01:49] <eb0x> Anytime I try to download something from gtk-gnutella it closes ...
[01:49] <eb0x> Anyone here use gtk-gnutella?
[01:49] <Quest-Master> But we had it in Warty. ;(
[01:49] <Delta_Factor> To heck with GUI menu editing.  I want freakin' ACPI to work with my laptop.
[01:49] <speedy2782> use direct connect
[01:49] <speedy2782> Yeah, and I want gnome to like mac os more than it is
[01:50] <quarupt> Java is offering latest OO.o beta for free
[01:50] <speedy2782> 00.o what is that?
[01:50] <quarupt> I mean SO
[01:50] <underlord> isnt oo.o free anyway?
[01:50] <quarupt> I meant SO
[01:50] <Delta_Factor> StarOffice?  That's still around?
[01:50] <quarupt> my bad
[01:50] <quarupt> lol its a standard
[01:50] <quarupt> but its expensive
[01:51] <netpuppy> umask(022 <unfinished ...>
[01:51] <netpuppy> --- SIGCHLD (Child exited) @ 0 (0) ---
[01:51] <netpuppy> <... umask resumed> )                   = -1 ENOSYS (Function not implemented)
[01:51] <netpuppy> --- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) ---
[01:51] <zubunt> COmpared to M$-Office SO is pretty ... cheap
[01:51] <netpuppy> why does that happen?
[01:51] <HrdwrBoB> zubunt: amazing that :)
[01:51] <quarupt> screw Microsoft
[01:52] <netpuppy> (trying to run the Tribes 2 installer on amd64)
[01:52] <quarupt> and there over paid programmers with there million dollar source
[01:52] <zubunt> YEs :-) And they even have manages to create an office without clippy >:-)
[01:52] <quarupt> lol, zubunt you know the story with the office assistant? its only there cause his girlfriend/wife wants it
[01:53] <spiderworm> hey all after installing a program via synaptic, how do i get it to appear in my menus?
[01:53] <Fackamato> depends on the program
[01:53] <Delta_Factor> Office Assistant - The bastard child of Windows Bob and... uhm... Windows Bob.
[01:53] <zubunt> No. I dont know. I only know that clippy is the most hated think by me that has been implemented on a computer.
[01:53] <quarupt> spiderworm, usually, restarting you dm, will do but sometimes ya have to create the launcher and put it on yur menu
[01:53] <spiderworm> depends on the program?
[01:54] <quarupt> depends on the app
[01:54] <gma> does anybody know any window managers that let you remove buttons (i.e. close, maximise, etc.) from your window borders?
[01:54] <quarupt> yea
[01:54] <gma> I've already got fvwm...
[01:54] <TongMaster> Anyone know what the release date for Hoary is?
[01:54] <Delta_Factor> Like I said, that bloody annoying paperclip comes from Windows Bob.  The most detestable holdover M$ has ever had.
[01:55] <AlohaWolf> TongMaster, when its ready
[01:55] <quarupt> its only a few weeks away
[01:55] <AlohaWolf> quarupt, I was thinking debian sarge :-P
[01:55] <quarupt> lol
[01:56] <quarupt> I thought SID would be stable before Hoary, but I was wrong
[01:57] <zubunt> I am glad that I used windows only for 3 months
[01:57] <quarupt> .msg nickserv identify robberts
[01:58] <quarupt> great
[01:58] <quarupt> that was the worst typo i could have ever made
[01:58] <speedy2782> I am trying to get the mac os shortcut bar at the bottom...how do you do that?
[01:59] <Quest-Master> speedy2782: gDesklets, and the Starter Bar
[02:00] <FR500> hello
[02:00] <FR500> selecting properties of an mp3 file makes gnome kinda restart, i think only the panels though
[02:00] <Quest-Master> speedy2782: sudo apt-get install gdesklets, then, start up this display. http://gdesklets.gnomedesktop.org/categories.php?func=gd_show_app&gd_app_id=210
[02:00] <keyhack> Does 5.04 come with everything, or is it a limited preview release?
[02:01] <Fackamato> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=94602
[02:01] <Quest-Master> keyhack: Comes with everything, and is extremely stable so far. :d
[02:02] <keyhack> I'll grab that one then
[02:02] <FR500> Quest-Master, can u try to select properties of an mp3 to see if you get a crash?
[02:03] <Quest-Master> FR500: How are you selecting the properties?
[02:03] <FR500> right click
[02:03] <db__> hey guys, anyone tell me how i would go about getting more resolutions in 5.04 '/ only got 3 atm
[02:03] <FR500> properties
[02:03] <Quest-Master> FR500: It lagged about 2 seconds, but it popped up just fine
[02:04] <FR500> hmmm
[02:04] <mjr> db__, you can edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:04] <Quest-Master> FR500: How large is the MP3?
[02:04] <FR500> doesnt work for me closes the windows and restarts the panels immediately
[02:04] <FR500> any size
[02:04] <db__> ok thx mjr, will give that a try
[02:05] <quarupt> The star office installer uses RPM's within its installer? So how can i install it?
[02:05] <HrdwrBoB> quarupt: package openoffice.org2
[02:05] <imnes> NVidia works in hoary with patch (for me)
[02:06] <barroso> Hello! Any sugestion on a CD/DVD burning software like the excelent K3B for Gnome? I think the nautilus-cd-burn feature is quite immature right now...
[02:06] <HrdwrBoB> it's not really immature
[02:06] <imnes> barroso yeah hang on for a link
[02:06] <LucyMaGoose> hey, i just upgraded to hoary on my ibook. however, the xorg.conf must be off cus the resolution is bunked
[02:06] <HrdwrBoB> it's just only useful for burning files
[02:06] <LucyMaGoose> Warty worked good, but I don't think I can just mv the XFree86.config file over to the xorg.conf file
[02:06] <LucyMaGoose> anybody else run into this?
[02:07] <FR500> Quest-Master, any clues on a fix maybee?
[02:07] <quarupt> HrdwrBoB, no i wanna use Star Office
[02:07] <Quest-Master> FR500: Are you on Hoary?
[02:07] <FR500> yes
[02:07] <imnes> barroso: Nero has a linux burning program (gtk1) http://www.nero.com/en/NeroLINUX.html    Also check out GnomeBaker (gtk2) http://gnomebaker.sourceforge.net/index.php?cat=4
[02:07] <HrdwrBoB> quarupt: why?
[02:07] <quarupt> Because its way better
[02:07] <HrdwrBoB> ok
[02:07] <quarupt> Well exept for the installer
[02:08] <HrdwrBoB> um.. it's the same
[02:08] <quarupt> Cause its all installing RPM's and im like, no......
[02:08] <speedy2782> are there any other mac shortcut bars. That one looks different than other ones
[02:08] <FR500> i'll restart gnome
[02:08] <FR500> brb
[02:08] <PoopinClumpin> can anyone tell me when i use the xvidtune where or how does it save the settings
[02:08] <imnes> Barroso: don't know if either is available through apt-get though I haven't tried.
[02:08] <quarupt> No its not the same, theres a reason, it cost money
[02:08] <cef> Hey, what do people recommend for resizing NTFS?
[02:08] <mjr> ntfsresize? ;)
[02:08] <tritium> barroso, I use graveman
[02:09] <cef> mjr: that work either in the install or from the livecd?
[02:09] <mjr> dunno
[02:09] <db__> anyone know how id edit setting of the toolbar hide function.. has always been chucky
[02:09] <db__> chunky
[02:09] <mjr> anyway, that's the low level tool for it, so if something's available, it probably is
[02:09] <imnes> Anybody seen reviews on suse 9.3, supposed to be coming with Gnome 2.10 (which would be a huge jump, I think their last release only came with 2.6)
[02:10] <barroso> imnes: gnomebaker looks fine for me!
[02:10] <cef> mjr: hrm.. got a new(ish) laptop on my desk that the rescue disks install XP by default *ugh* in one partition (no options)
[02:10] <kmanTFM> is 9.3 out yet ?
[02:10] <rm> nah mid april
[02:10] <imnes> I think it's shipping in like 3 weeks
[02:10] <cef> mjr: hrm.. parted on the warty livecd says it doesn't support ntfs.. *sigh*
[02:11] <kapputu> anyone here?
[02:11] <kmanTFM> to the general public ? or just to the paying customrs ?
[02:11] <mjg59> cef: Yeah. Hoary supports ntfs resizing.
[02:11] <mjr> yah; I've _heard_ that hoary's install is supposed to support ntfs resizing when finished, but I'm not involved and I didn't install hoary from scratch myself
[02:11] <kapputu> my roommate is trying to install linux
[02:11] <mjr> ok, good, mjg with the info
[02:11] <kapputu> his primary partition is ntfs
[02:11] <hou5ton> I now have Real Player installed, but when clicking on a realplayer link in a web page, Totem opens, which can't play rm files.  How do I fix this?
[02:12] <imnes> Anybody see the IRC logs from slackware channel, Patrick V getting bugged about dropping gnome by some slackware users.  I think his exact words were "If you people want to use Gnome then go use Ubuntu" :)
[02:12] <kapputu> couldn't install grub to MBR
[02:12] <quarupt> will openoffice 2  replace my openoffice 1.1 ?
[02:12] <kapputu> how do you boot by hand????
[02:12] <HrdwrBoB> quarupt: run apt-get it will tell you
[02:12] <zyaga> Hey, can someone help me with a small question I have?
[02:12] <tritium> quarupt, not if you install it now.  Perhaps in the future, once 2.0 is released
[02:12] <barroso> tritium: graveman looks fine too! tnx for help.
[02:12] <imnes> Where's should I report package bugs (with ubuntu packages)
[02:12] <tritium> barroso, sure :)
[02:12] <imnes> acrobat reader won't run on hoary
[02:12] <tritium> imnes, bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[02:13] <imnes> thanks
[02:13] <quarupt> tritium, so im installing it now, So I will have two instances of OO.o?
[02:13] <kapputu> HrdwrBoB: how do u boot ubuntu by hand
[02:13] <cef> mjg59: cool.. I'll have to leech a hoary install cd from somewhere then *grin*
[02:13] <kapputu> couldn't install Grub to MBR
[02:13] <tritium> quarupt, yes
[02:13] <kmanTFM> acrobat 7.0 runs just fine for me in kubuntu hoary
[02:13] <HrdwrBoB> kapputu: grab the line out of grub and you can boot grub off a bootdisk
[02:13] <kapputu> he doesn't have a floppy
[02:13] <quarupt> tritium, how to get rid of the old one, just pull it out with synaptic?
[02:13] <imnes> kmanTFM let me see what version got installed here (I just installed and tried to run it yesterday)
[02:13] <speedy2782> Are there any known gdesklets that look just like the mac OS starter bar
[02:14] <jamin_> hey, i just downloaded the powerpc version of this distro, my question is to burn it, can i just drag it into my cd (in finder) or do i need an actual app that does it
[02:14] <tritium> quarupt, you can, if you want to.  I haven't done so yet.  openoffice.org2 isn't quite on par with 1.1.x yet
[02:14] <kmanTFM> imnes: I just installed on a clean hoary kubuntu install
[02:14] <imnes> This is acrobat reader 5.10
[02:14] <kapputu> there is no way to install GRUB to MBR if the primary partition is NTFS??
[02:14] <kmanTFM> oh, the one shiped by ubuntu ...
[02:15] <imnes> kmanTFM did you install the ubuntu package or did you go get it from acrobat's site or something?
[02:15] <speedy2782> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=13548&file1=13548-1.jpg&file2=13548-2.jpg&file3=&name=MacOS-X+Aqua+Theme&PHPSESSID=cb236c47fbfd7ec2520c891d78e1a80e
[02:15] <kmanTFM> yah, that is borken
[02:15] <quarupt> tritium, what ya think about star office 9?
[02:15] <speedy2782> I am looking for that starter bar in that picture
[02:15] <kmanTFM> the one from adobe's site
[02:15] <kapputu> is there no way to install GRUB to MBR if the primary partition is NTFS??
[02:15] <tritium> quarupt, never tried it.  I only use openoffice to view files occasionally.
[02:16] <quarupt> So how do you know if OO.o 2 isnt on par with 1.1.x?
[02:16] <kmanTFM> the one shipped by ubuntu misses a symlink to acroread.sh in /usr/lib/Acrobat5/bin
[02:16] <sbassi> jamin_: You need an app that is able to write from an ISO file. I don know about PPC, so I can't recommend. But it won't work as a standart file.
[02:16] <kapputu> there is no way to install GRUB to MBR if the primary partition is NTFS??
[02:16] <imnes> Does anyone happen to own a copy of Nero 6 + (retail) and wouldn't mind trying out there linux version and let me know how it is? :)
[02:16] <tritium> quarupt, I received an opened a .doc file with a table.  Only 1.1.3 displayed the contents of the table
[02:17] <quarupt> hrm
[02:17] <quarupt> I wanna try Star Office, but the installer uses all these RPM's
[02:17] <jamin_> thanks sbassi, i'll search for one right now...
[02:17] <sbassi> tritium: Could you email me that .doc? (I have Star Office 7) I'd like to test that.
[02:17] <tritium> sbassi, no, sorry.  It contains proprietary info.
[02:17] <kmanTFM> is the Star Office 8 beta out yet ?
[02:18] <FR500> Quest-Master, still no luck
[02:18] <FR500> weird
[02:18] <sbassi> quarupt: No, it is a script based installation.
[02:18] <Quest-Master> FR500: Weird.
[02:18] <Quest-Master> FR500: sudo apt-get update and then a sudo apt-get upgrade?
[02:18] <sbassi> tritium: OK.
[02:18] <Quest-Master> Might be a broken GNOME you updated to an unlucky time
[02:18] <kapputu> hi can someone help??
[02:18] <Quest-Master> I have no MP3 problems with the latest GNOME
[02:19] <FR500> Quest-Master, ill try
[02:19] <Quest-Master> :)
[02:19] <quarupt> sbassi, Im talking about Star Office 9 beta, and the it is a script based install that calls numerous RPM's
[02:19] <tritium> quarupt, to be honest, I make all my documents and presentations in LaTeX these days.
[02:20] <FR500> avis for instance dont have that issue
[02:20] <kmanTFM> Star Office 9 ? What happened to 8 ?
[02:20] <sbassi> quarupt: 9??
[02:20] <quarupt> sbassi, its a script that calls RPM's
[02:20] <quarupt> yes 9
[02:20] <quarupt> err 8
[02:20] <quarupt> when i run the installer i get error, cause it cant run its RPM's
[02:21] <quarupt> brb
[02:21] <dreamwave> hello.  i'm gearing up to loading the prerelease of ubuntu on my laptop and am looking for recommendations on how much disk space to free up for it.  i was thinking of resizing NTFS down to give me 15gb which would still leave me 10gb free on the windows side.  any thoughts?
[02:21] <sbassi> quarupt: can't help you :(. I leave RH because of RPM hell.
[02:21] <kmanTFM> maybe because ubuntu doesn't use rpm for it's packaging, you can try to se alien and convert the packages to deb
[02:22] <mjr> dreamwave, that'll do just fine
[02:22] <kmanTFM> s/se/use/
[02:22] <cef> bbk
[02:22] <kapputu> where should I ask about problems with installing GRUB??
[02:22] <imnes> dreamwave: it uses around 3gb for installing ubuntu.
[02:22] <dreamwave> cool.  thanks for the info.
[02:23] <FR500> hmmm anyone having problems when going to properties of mp3 files? Hoary
[02:23] <quarupt> so is there any good desktop publishing software for linux?
[02:23] <kapputu> can GRUB be installed on a primary partition which is NTFS??
[02:23] <mjr> kapputu, you probably want it on the MBR, which is not a partition
[02:23] <tritium> kapputu, #grub
[02:24] <kapputu> mjr: it errored out while installing GRUB
[02:24] <tritium> quarupt, have you looked at scribus?
[02:24] <FR500> also, is there a way to chance the notification icon to something a bit bigger?
[02:24] <kapputu> should I try again?
[02:24] <speedy2782> can you make any window look transparent?
[02:24] <FR500> looks wrong
[02:24] <quarupt> tritium, no, is it on par with ms publisher?
[02:24] <tritium> quarupt, no idea
[02:24] <imnes> speedy - yes on hoary but you have to use the transset utility I think
[02:25] <speedy2782> where is that?
[02:25] <DarthFrog> kapputu: "grub-install /dev/hda" is likely the command you want.
[02:25] <shmoolik> hello :) does any one here have any ideal how can i loclize ubuntu ?
[02:25] <quarupt> One program i miss the most from windows is Dreamweaver
[02:25] <kapputu> DarthFrog: grub-install from where?
[02:25] <PoopinClumpin> can anyone point me at a up to date gdesklets howto
[02:25] <imnes> speedy2782: set's the transparency of a window to whatever you want when you click on it.
[02:25] <speedy2782> where do I find that?
[02:25] <kapputu> so I boot with the Cd, open up a shell and do a grub-install from there?
[02:25] <DarthFrog> kapputu: from a root terminal
[02:25] <FR500> quarupt, NvU is nice for that
[02:26] <quarupt> not as clean and user friendly as Dreamweaver
[02:26] <jaimico> hey..i try to play mp3 in xmms and it hangs ;/ i just downloaded libmikmod2
[02:26] <imnes> speedy2782: when you upgrade to hoary and are running Xorg instead of XFree86, do apt-get install transset, and apt-get install xcompmgr
[02:26] <imnes> transset will set a window transparency, xcompmgr will give you drop shadows under windows and menus
[02:26] <kapputu> but how do I boot the first time into ubuntu if it's not installed on MBR
[02:26] <speedy2782> I am on hoary, how do I know I am running Xorg
[02:26] <quarupt> speedy you are
[02:27] <quarupt> if your on Hoary
[02:27] <speedy2782> sweet
[02:27] <difeta> Does ubuntu use the same versioning as debian? ie.. When hoary goes to stable, then warty is no longer supported and grumpy become the new unstable branch?
[02:27] <imnes> quarapt - I don't know when I first ugpraded to hoary it left me with xfree86 and xorg installed, but only xfree86 was active.
[02:27] <jaimico> am in horay and i cant get xmms to play mp3, i got gnome sounds and all, downloaded libmikmod2 but..no playback @ xmms
[02:27] <mjr> _sheesh_ transparent windows are a drag to drag around
[02:27] <nomasteryoda> mjr, yes
[02:27] <FR500> can anyone try to enter properties of an mp3 file to see if it crashes?
[02:28] <DarthFrog> kapputu: "grub-install /dev/hda" will install grub into the MBR on the master disk on your primary ide channel using the /boot/grub/menu.lst.
[02:28] <imnes> FR500 - tell me how and I'll try it.
[02:28] <SiRrUs> FR500 mine works fine
[02:28] <FR500> imnes, right clic---properties
[02:28] <DarthFrog> kapputu: So if Ubuntu is correctly setup in menu.lst, you're away to the races.
[02:28] <shmoolik> dpkg-reconfigure locales will do it right ?
[02:29] <SiRrUs> FR500 your welcome ;)
[02:29] <DarthFrog> kapputu: If you're booted into Ubuntu, of course.
[02:29] <quarupt> How can i get Gnome to display a menu with all the kde apps?
[02:29] <speedy2782> imnes: I installed the files, how do I use them now
[02:29] <FR500> SiRrUs, sorry, thanks
[02:29] <SiRrUs> :)
[02:30] <imnes> speedy2782: type xcompmgr -c -C -f -F& to get shadows.    See if that works first.
[02:30] <quarupt> thats alllots options
[02:30] <hou5ton> I now have Real Player installed, but when clicking on a realplayer link in a web page, Totem opens, which can't play rm files.  How do I fix this?
[02:31] <imnes> FR500: Crashed nautilus for me.
[02:31] <jsgotangco> this daily updates of hoary needs getting used to
[02:31] <jsgotangco> hehe
[02:31] <FR500> imnes, thats 2 of us
[02:31] <FR500> weird
[02:32] <jsgotangco> i seem to download an average of at least 20MB of updates daily
[02:32] <FR500> did u install libmuse for instance or some other like mpg123 and mpg321
[02:32] <mjr> you know, you don't _have_ to upgrade it daily ;)
[02:32] <jsgotangco> i know
[02:32] <jsgotangco> hehe
[02:32] <jsgotangco> but im paranoid
[02:32] <jsgotangco> :)
[02:32] <FR500> is there a way to limit bandwith dedicated when updating?
[02:32] <mjr> (but never mind me, I did my daily update&&upgrades when using sid as well ;)
[02:32] <jsgotangco> broadband in my area is not the best either in the world
[02:32] <dragonbyte> how do you edit gnome menus in 2.10?
[02:32] <quarupt> is there a way to set it to auto update?
[02:33] <FR500> it kills internet for my whole family :)
[02:33] <kaimis> ou wiii
[02:33] <PoopinClumpin> can anyone point me at a up to date gdesklets howto
[02:33] <imnes> dragonbyte: sorry no editing menus in gnome 2.10 :)
[02:33] <FR500> quarupt, you can use cron
[02:33] <kaimis> im debian are apt-get whata cmd is in ubunto?
[02:33] <jsgotangco> i think update-manager will have that feature soon
[02:33] <mjr> quarupt, well, yes, via cron, but I don't know if that's very wise
[02:33] <imnes> There's always the kdemenuedit program...
[02:33] <quarupt> mjr, why not?
[02:33] <FR500> mjr, why?
[02:34] <jsgotangco> 2.10 does not have menu editing by default to comply with the freedesktop standard
[02:34] <jsgotangco> but im sure a menu editor will come out
[02:34] <dragonbyte> imnes: so I go through a ton of crap to clean off the kde stuff I had just for k3b and go solid gnome to go back to kde headaches to edit gnome menus?
[02:34] <dragonbyte> jsgotangco: what kind of standard is that?
[02:34] <tritium> PoopinClumpin, is there no documentation in /usr/share/doc/gdesklets ?
[02:34] <mjr> Paranoia. Spontaneous breakage with no sysadmin present to fix it.
[02:34] <jsgotangco> dragonbyte: i know its kinda silly
[02:34] <dragonbyte> jsgotangco: i think 'silly' is just a bit of an understatement
[02:35] <jsgotangco> gnome has been criticized for that issue
[02:35] <dragonbyte> jsgotangco: 2.10 rewrites my menus and then says "HAHAH your fooked!"
[02:35] <imnes> dragonbyte: sorry.
[02:35] <thully> Menus should be like in windows - directories on the file system
[02:36] <imnes> Doesn't work in fedora either.
[02:36] <shmoolik> how can i install composite ?
[02:36] <FR500> imnes, any ideas on how to fix that crash=
[02:36] <trans_err> shmoolik: are you running hoary?
[02:36] <FR500> ?
[02:36] <carbonize> Hi. I was wondering if you have any idea why my warty installation fails? It hangs at the end of "base install" and says it cannot install kernel package "linux-i386"
[02:36] <shmoolik> trans_err,  yeah
[02:36] <niran> thully: you would still have the same issue even if they were directories
[02:36] <jaimico> am in horay and i cant get xmms to play mp3, i got gnome sounds and all, downloaded libmikmod2 but..no playback @ xmms
[02:37] <FR500> carbonize, are you trying to use other languaje keyboards or something
[02:37] <niran> without a menu editor, you'd have to write files by hand
[02:37] <imnes> FR500 - I didn't even know it crashed until you had me try it, sorry.  Dunno what is wrong with it.
[02:37] <shmoolik> is ther any doc on windows drop shadows ?
[02:37] <FR500> jaimico, get libmad
[02:37] <sbassi> I have a problem compiling MySQL 4.1, can anybody help?
[02:37] <FR500> imnes, well thanks anyway
[02:37] <FR500> if there was a way to trigger from commandline it could be fixable
[02:37] <carbonize> FR500: yes, I have norwegian keyboard, but it's not in the list over usb-keyboards so I picked english
[02:38] <tritium> sbassi, any reason you're compiling as opposed to installing ubuntu .deb packages?
[02:38] <kapputu> has anyone experienced slowness while using xorg?
[02:38] <FR500> carbonize, use everything as english default
[02:38] <jaimico> FR500 i cant find that package
[02:39] <jaimico> FR500, i already have that..
[02:39] <carbonize> FR500: I'm pretty sure I tried that
[02:39] <sbassi> tritium: I am compiling to get the deb, because 4.1 is not in the repository (there is an older serie).
[02:39] <FR500> jaimico, use beep-media-player
[02:39] <tritium> sbassi, okay.  What's the problem?
[02:39] <FR500> kapputu, i think it's faster than XFree
[02:39] <FR500> for me at least
[02:40] <carbonize> FR500: Is it common that the keyboard selection messes up the installation. (should I use PS2 keyboard instead?)
[02:40] <kapputu> i have had problems with alt+tabbing to firefox
[02:40] <sbassi> when I run  dpkg-buildpackage...
[02:40] <dragonbyte> anyone know how to get nautilus to open an image in the existing nautilus window instead of opening a new image viewer window?
[02:40] <FR500> carbonize, using spanish messed it for me
[02:40] <sbassi> I get dpatch-run: /usr/share/dpatch/dpatch-run: No such file or directory
[02:41] <tritium> sbassi, you don't have dpatch installed
[02:41] <FR500> SiRrUs, you on hoary?
[02:41] <carbonize> FR500: Ok, thanks. I'll try and see if that works
[02:41] <sbassi> I do have dpatch installed. But there is no dpatch-run there.
[02:42] <jaimico> FR500, stil..when i try to play something it crashes :/
[02:42] <sbassi> Why there is no dpatch-run in dpatch?
[02:42] <sbassi> in dpatch directory, there are 2 files:
[02:42] <FR500> jaimico, dunno then
[02:43] <jaimico> FR500, ;/ sucks..
[02:43] <sbassi> dpatch-edit-patch.functions and dpatch.make
[02:43] <FR500> jaimico, warty?
[02:43] <imnes> transset and xcompmgr working okay here if anyone hasn't seen it http://www.cs.uwf.edu/~nsmith/shadows-and-transparencies-in-hoary.png
[02:43] <shadeofgrey> okay guys i need help with openoffice again
[02:43] <jaimico> FR500, horay..;/ man it used to play only thing ive changed its..i dunno modprobe the cs4281 module..bah how do i know what module the sound is using?
[02:44] <shadeofgrey> i need to totally remove it and reinstall it
[02:44] <shadeofgrey> so whats the apt-get command for that
[02:44] <shadeofgrey> ?
[02:44] <FR500> jaimico, no clue
[02:44] <DarthFrog> shadeofgrey: apt-get remove -purge openoffice.org
[02:45] <tritium> --purge, that is
[02:45] <jaimico> FR500, i got XMMS still running but i do top and it doesnt show it, i try to close it by right-clicking and it does a lil sound and doesnt close it l/
[02:45] <amaperman> I am having help installing linux-wlan-ng.
[02:45] <amaperman> What do I do?
[02:45] <amaperman> Do I have to recompile the kernel?
[02:45] <amaperman> What commands do I type in Debian/Ubuntu?
[02:45] <amaperman> I am an ex-Gentoo user.
[02:45] <DarthFrog> shadeofgrey: apt-get install openoffice.org2  will install the beta of OpenOffice 2.   You left a minute early yesterday before I could tell you that. :-)
[02:45] <jaimico> how can i kill it? the xmms that i still have runing
[02:46] <amaperman> will apt-get install linux-wlan-ng take care of things?
[02:46] <shadeofgrey> okay but how do i use the same apt get command to uninstall the version i already have?
[02:46] <SiRrUs> FR500 sorry was on the phone and yes I am
[02:46] <amaperman> it looks like a modules package is necessary for the kernel i am running
[02:46] <amaperman> is that already installed in hoary?
[02:46] <nomasteryoda> shadeofgrey, apt-get remove package
[02:46] <DarthFrog> tritium: Oops, thanks for the correction.
[02:46] <tritium> DarthFrog, :)
[02:46] <chizh_> hi
[02:47] <amaperman> anyone?
[02:47] <tritium> shadeofgrey, and as DarthFrog pointed out, you may want to use the --purge option
[02:47] <FR500> SiRrUs,
[02:47] <chizh_> can anybody help me with configuration of my ethernet card
[02:47] <FR500> thanks
[02:47] <SiRrUs> yw
[02:48] <shadeofgrey> okay... lets just try installing a version that isnt beta
[02:48] <shadeofgrey> lemme go look and seee....
[02:49] <SysFail> has anybody managed to compile ANYTHING from src on this?
[02:49] <SysFail> I'll bet i've tried 6 different things now
[02:50] <tritium> SysFail, did you install build-essential ?
[02:50] <FR500> apt-get duplicate sources are driving me nuts, anyway to fix it automatically, i'm tired of reading sources,list now
[02:51] <SysFail> no tritum...looking for that now
[02:51] <Anubis> how can I get the weather to show in evolutions caalender
[02:51] <kayali> hi there
[02:52] <mjr> Anubis, I don't think it does that anymore, use the panel weather applet
[02:52] <KingArthur> Ok everyone.  I've got a problem.  I'm trying to create a new partition on my harddrive to dual-boot linux.  Unfortunately, partition magic says I can only create a partition of 780MB, but I have 7.0GB available.
[02:53] <Anubis> mjr, it does
[02:53] <KingArthur> how can I get my files condensed so that I can make a larger partition
[02:53] <imnes> hmm no icons in the menu for openoffice 2 :(
[02:53] <Anubis> mjr, http://www.gnome.org/start/2.10/notes/rnwhatsnew.html
[02:53] <DarthFrog> KingArthur: how many primary partitions do you have on that disk?
[02:53] <tritium> mjr, there's a weather EPlugin
[02:53] <mjr> ah, ok
[02:53] <KingArthur> two.  One is the dell recovery one.
[02:54] <Anubis> how can I get the plugin?
[02:54] <speedy2782> imnes: i loaded an icon pack that worked at giving my OO2 icons
[02:54] <riffic> can anyone help me solve a sound issue with hoary ?
[02:54] <kayali> anyone using ubuntu amd64?
[02:54] <crimsun> riffic: shoot.
[02:54] <riffic> I have a cs46xx based sound card that was working a few days ago
[02:54] <DarthFrog> KingArthur:  Where is the 7 GB space?  Already in a partition?
[02:54] <imnes> kayali: I was, but switched back to 32 bit because I missed my browser plugins too much :)
[02:54] <riffic> ran an apt-get update/upgrade the other night, killed my sound
[02:54] <riffic> i'll do the lspci and lsmod if you want
[02:55] <TheChuckster> Hey.
[02:55] <crimsun> riffic: dpkg -l linux-image-$(uname -r)|grep ^ii|awk '{ print $3 }'
[02:55] <TheChuckster> How do I install linux-wlan-ng in Ubuntu?
[02:55] <KingArthur> yes, it is already in my primary partition, but the free space is fragmented, and I cannot get it unfragmented
[02:55] <riffic> and I rebooted on the new kernel thats when it stopped working after I did that
[02:55] <KingArthur> I'm guessing the 780MB is the largest free space available
[02:55] <dmoyne> hello ! ; I have a simple question regarding opening a root graphic session from a typical user session ; any body to answer thanks ?
[02:55] <kayali> imnes: hey... I'm on the ubuntu daily hoary download page, and can't decide wether I'm a 64 or a 32 bit guy :)
[02:55] <Anubis> tritium, the E plugin?
[02:55] <crimsun> riffic: all you need to do is sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[02:55] <TheChuckster> Anybody?
[02:55] <TheChuckster> Please help me. I'm sure it is simple.
[02:55] <shmoolik> how can i put all my HDD on My Computer?
[02:56] <tritium> Anubis, what about it?
[02:56] <riffic> 2.6.11-0.2
[02:56] <DarthFrog> KingArthur: Use Partition Magic to shrink that primary partition.  Then install Ubuntu in the newly freed space.  Partition Magic will look after the file fragmentation for you.
[02:56] <kayali> is ndiswrapper available for ubuntu or do you have to install it by hand?
[02:56] <crimsun> riffic: you should be using 2.6.10-4 version -27
[02:56] <tritium> riffic, 2.6.11 isn't supported yet.  for example, no linux-restricted-modules for it yet
[02:56] <Anubis> tritium, where is it?
[02:56] <DarthFrog> kayali: It's available.
[02:56] <imnes> kayali: well 64 bit gives you more trouble than 32 bit, less applications, and no speed improvements.
[02:56] <imnes> :)
[02:56] <niran> kayali: apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils
[02:56] <tritium> Anubis, I'm not sure if it's included in the ubuntu packages yet
[02:57] <kayali> niran: woot :)
[02:57] <riffic> crimsun: it wasn't working with the 2.6.10 kernel either i tried this one to see if it'd work
[02:57] <KingArthur> ok.  that's what I was thinking of doing, but didn't want to screw things up.  Thanks for the tip.  Now I might finally be able to get Linux installed! :-D
[02:57] <TheChuckster> How do I install linux-wlan-ng in Ubuntu?
[02:57] <mjr> kayali, if you're an ndiswrapper kind of guy, you probably are a 32-bit kinda guy also
[02:57] <crimsun> please use 2.6.10-4, it makes troubleshooting easier
[02:57] <DarthFrog> TheChuckster: You take a dead chicken and some warpaint .... :-)
[02:57] <riffic> okay I
[02:57] <riffic> er
[02:57] <kayali> mjr: not so sure, 64 bits drivers for my wireless cards got out last week ;)
[02:57] <riffic> I'll reboot on that kernel
[02:58] <riffic> this might be a problem thogh I'm not at that machine locally so I can't really do anything with grub
[02:58] <DarthFrog> TheChuckster: Oh, and don't forget your feathered rattle.
[02:58] <riffic> I'll have to remove the 2.6.11 kernel first
[02:59] <tritium> Anubis, it is installed
[02:59] <crimsun> riffic: some of the debugging steps require you be in front of the PC.
[02:59] <riffic> heh
[02:59] <riffic> its at my house.. a good 30 miles away
[02:59] <imnes> kayali: only three reasons to go 64 bit.  1: to access more than 4gb ram in your programs.  2: to fix the year 2034 bug (I think that's the year 32 bit unix dies), and 3: to feel special :)  (Hey, makes me feel special going 64 bit)
[02:59] <shmoolik> how can i mount my HDD to my computer?
[03:00] <TheChuckster> Why can't I get help here?
[03:00] <imnes> What's openoffice's connection to java.  Is it written in java or something?
[03:00] <TheChuckster> I'm sure installing a package within this distro is trivial!
[03:00] <kayali> imnes: ok, I'll go 32 bits. I can still convert my ibook to ubuntu to feel special ;)
[03:00] <shmoolik> =\
[03:00] <kayali> imnes: some databse functions require java
[03:01] <kayali> database
[03:01] <kayali> not sure exactly what though
[03:01] <DarthFrog> TheChuckster: Use Synaptic and search for the package.
[03:01] <tritium> TheChuckster, maybe none of us have installed linux-wlan-ng, and have no advice to give you
[03:01] <TheChuckster> Well it's not in Synaptic.
[03:01] <kayali> imnes: most OO users still won't ever need java
[03:01] <maswan> imnes: well, if it is an amd64, you'll probably get a performance boost from the 64-bit code too
[03:01] <TheChuckster> But I have the .deb!
[03:01] <TheChuckster> How do I install it from the DEB?
[03:01] <FR500> imnes, had a message error on the console
[03:01] <DarthFrog> TheChuckster: dpkg -i (filename.deb)
[03:01] <tritium> TheChuckster, it is available via apt, synaptic
[03:01] <libpng> TheChuckster, sudo dpkg --install failename
[03:02] <FR500> imnes, is there a way i can send it so maybe it gets fixed?
[03:02] <TheChuckster> tritium, where do you see that?
[03:02] <libpng> *filename
[03:02] <shmoolik> TheChuckster, dpkg -i <packagename>
[03:02] <tritium> TheChuckster, I did an apt-cache search linux-wlan-ng
[03:02] <maswan> imnes: also, more than 3 gigs of ram in the machine, not just from one process.
[03:02] <TheChuckster> I have no internet access so are my packages out of date?
[03:02] <TheChuckster> If so is there any way to ubdate off line?
[03:02] <TheChuckster> If I can transfer files from an online box?
[03:02] <tritium> TheChuckster, it's in universe repo
[03:02] <TheChuckster> I looked?
[03:03] <imnes> FR500 I think someone said send problems to bugzilla.ubuntu.org
[03:03] <TheChuckster> Is it there from the beginning if you install Hoary?
[03:03] <tritium> FR500, what's broken?
[03:03] <FR500> tritium, when i try to get properties on an ID3 mp3 file nautilus restarts
[03:04] <Brend> Hello. We have the lastest hoary release running on a shiny new IBM server ... and with increasing frequency it's been freezing up completely. Right now it's just sitting at the login screen, dead, without us having done anything. From advice yesterday, we've checked /var/log/syslog and found nothing (including grepping for ksymoops and EID, whatver those are), run memtest86+ which came up clean, and used IBMs diagnostic thingy to check the d
[03:04] <tritium> FR500, let me see
[03:04] <Brend> It it possible that this is a problem with ubuntu, or should we call an engineer?
[03:04] <FR500> gnome 2.10
[03:04] <riffic> crimsun: 2.6.10-4? what about 2.6.10-6 ?
[03:04] <sabmoc> which kernel is the lastest preview release using, and does that mean nvidia is broken?
[03:04] <DarthFrog> Brend: Have you tried another distro? Such as one officially supported by IBM?
[03:04] <tritium> FR500, works fine for me
[03:05] <FR500> tritium, works with some mp3s, some others dont
[03:05] <FR500> make sure it has id3
[03:05] <tritium> FR500, I can't reproduce it here
[03:05] <DarthFrog> Brend: It's likely a hardware issue, though.
[03:05] <FR500> can i paste the error output herE?
[03:05] <Brend> DarthFrog, no, though that's the next plan ... but it's just normal PC hardware in there, so far as I know
[03:05] <tritium> FR500, not if it's very long
[03:05] <Brend> So I don't see why it should require an IBM supported distro as such
[03:05] <tritium> sabmoc, no, it's not broken
[03:06] <FR500> http://www.pastebin.com/256758
[03:06] <FR500> there you can see it
[03:06] <sabmoc> tritium: which kernel does 5.04-preview use?
[03:06] <tritium> sabmoc, 2.6.10-4
[03:07] <DarthFrog> Brend: If the hardware is good, it shouldn't. If it's a hardware problem and you're not running an IBM supported distro, they're going to require you to do so. If the problem disappears with the IBM supported distro, well then you might want to report a Ubuntu bug. But it's likely a hardware issue.
[03:07] <olu> in warty it was custom-expert, what is it in hoary? server-expert ?
[03:07] <FR500> tritium, did u see it?
[03:07] <sabmoc> tritium, thank you, suse has been broken for a month and Im too lazy to go though the 6 disk install for what amounted to a crapy desktop anyway.
[03:07] <tritium> sabmoc, sure
[03:07] <riffic> tritium: my aptitude shows 2.6.10-6 as the kernel
[03:07] <tritium> FR500, see what?
[03:07] <Brend> DarthFrog, alright, thanks.
[03:08] <riffic> is your version number right?
[03:08] <FR500> http://www.pastebin.com/256758
[03:08] <tritium> riffic, there is no 2.6.10-6
[03:08] <FR500> there is the message error
[03:08] <sabmoc> well it wasnt really crappy, only crappy considering the hype and the cost of purchase.
[03:08] <foursti> hey guys, hoary arr6 install doesnt work for me: it freezes when it says "Loading module isofs for linux iso 9660 filesystem
[03:08] <tritium> FR500, please use my nick or I'll miss your messages to me
[03:08] <sabmoc> at least my printer/scanner worked out of the box, that was nice
[03:09] <riffic> tritium: seems to be there
[03:09] <tritium> riffic, do an apt-cache search linux-image to see what's in the repos
[03:09] <FR500> ok
[03:09] <FR500> tritium, 29597)
[03:09] <FR500> lol
[03:09] <FR500> tritium, http://www.pastebin.com/256758
[03:10] <tritium> FR500, okay
[03:10] <riffic> why did aptitude show it as 2.6.10-6
[03:10] <riffic> weird program
[03:10] <sabmoc> tritium: since ub is apt based I guess there is no problem upgrading from a preview to the stable release, whenever that comes out, right?
[03:10] <olu> is it server-expert instead of custom-expert in hoary preview?
[03:10] <tritium> riffic, it shouldn't
[03:10] <tritium> sabmoc, right :)
[03:11] <sabmoc> tritium, thanks again, have a great day!
[03:11] <tritium> sabmoc, you too!
[03:11] <tritium> FR500, can you play mp3s at all?
[03:13] <jsgotangco> http://news.inq7.net/infotech/index.php?index=1&story_id=30571
[03:13] <riffic> okay I'm just a moron
[03:13] <jsgotangco> hahaha
[03:14] <riffic> and I'm going to reboot back to a 2.6.10 based kernel
[03:14] <riffic> bbiab
[03:14] <Methias> hwo the hell do you install stuff thats in rpm format??
[03:15] <HrdwrBoB> in general, you don't
[03:15] <HrdwrBoB> what are you tryign to install
[03:15] <shadeofgrey> openoffice 2.0 beta
[03:15] <tritium> shadeofgrey, why not install openoffice.org2 .debs ?
[03:15] <shadeofgrey> which is NOT the same as whats available thru apt-get
[03:15] <shadeofgrey> tritium: because that version blows rancid goat balls
[03:16] <tritium> shadeofgrey, the new oo.o2 beta is being packaged.  It'll be out any day
[03:16] <shmoolik> hello :)) how can i add a command so it will start with gnome?
[03:16] <shadeofgrey> okay
[03:16] <shadeofgrey> fine
[03:16] <shadeofgrey> how long?
[03:16] <tritium> shadeofgrey, I don't know for sure.
[03:16] <shadeofgrey> 24-48 hrs?  3 days, a week?
[03:16] <jsgotangco> Methias: alien
[03:16] <jaimico> hey i try to exec alsamixer and it says function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device what do i do?
[03:17] <crimsun> jaimico: what sound card?
[03:17] <shadeofgrey> alright.  screw it im returning to windows until 2.0 beta is out
[03:17] <DarthFrog> shadeofgrey: As I recall, you said you had a 175 page manuscript due tomorrow.  Why are you screwing around with new software?
[03:17] <jaimico> crimsun, cs4281
[03:17] <jaimico> crimsun, but i was able to use alsamixer i dunno why i cant use it now ;/
[03:17] <shadeofgrey> darth:  because i lost the bid
[03:18] <shmoolik> any ideals?
[03:18] <shadeofgrey> its a very sad say
[03:18] <shadeofgrey> sad day
[03:18] <Quest-Master> shadeofgrey: Bid for.. ?
[03:18] <shadeofgrey> hence
[03:18] <shadeofgrey> im blasted
[03:18] <crimsun> jaimico: sudo modprobe snd-cs4281
[03:18] <DarthFrog> shadeofgrey: Sorry to hear that.
[03:18] <shadeofgrey> thank god for captain morgan
[03:18] <shadeofgrey> DarthFrog:  No...  i doubt you are...
[03:18] <shmoolik> how can i load xcompmgr with gnome?
[03:18] <shadeofgrey> but y'know
[03:19] <jaimico> crimsun, done..and still cant do alsamixer same err
[03:19] <shadeofgrey> no matter how much i drink
[03:19] <shadeofgrey> my heart still hurts
[03:19] <DarthFrog> shadeofgrey: ??? Why?  I take no pleasure in the misfortunes of others.
[03:19] <crimsun> jaimico: please paste the output of lsmod onto pastebin.ca
[03:19] <tritium> shadeofgrey, I can't make a prediction.  I'm not the package maintainer.  I'm not involved.
[03:20] <shadeofgrey> oh yeah!  and i caught my girlfriend in bed with the directtv install guy
[03:20] <shadeofgrey> if that isnt some jerry springer shit...
[03:20] <sabot4ge> hi everyone
[03:20] <Brend> Wow. IBM support only expensive commercial linux distributions.
[03:20] <Brend> That's pretty impressive for a company putting its weight behind open source.
[03:21] <crimsun> Brend: there are finite resources even with IBM.
[03:21] <sabot4ge> i cant install mplaye in hoary-preview. Someone can give a valid repository
[03:21] <sabot4ge> mplayer*
[03:21] <tritium> Anubis, still there
[03:21] <sabot4ge> or an source.list
[03:22] <Anubis> yup
[03:22] <Brend> crimsun, we've already paid them significant amounts of money for the server and are paying significant amounts more for support ... now they want us to pay seven hundred US for some crappy distribution before they'll come and fix our hardware :)
[03:22] <tritium> Anubis, add a new calendar, and select type "Weather"
[03:22] <jaimico> crimsun, already pasted it..but am alone there lol.
[03:22] <shadeofgrey> it absoluterly amazes me ...  she didjnt have the guts to say, "hey - you suck and i dont want to date you anymore"  ...  shes got to bang a guy UGLIER THAN ME in MY BED
[03:22] <shadeofgrey> maybe he gave her a break on cinemax
[03:22] <Quest-Master> .. no way
[03:23] <jaimico> crimsun, ?
[03:23] <Quest-Master> That would suck :(
[03:23] <crimsun> jaimico: http://pastebin.ca ?
[03:23] <DarthFrog> shadeofgrey: Hey, it sucks to be you today.  But keep it off channel, please.
[03:23] <shadeofgrey> off channel?
[03:23] <shadeofgrey> no problem.
[03:23] <sabot4ge> shadeofgrey, hehe
[03:23] <FR500> tritium, sorry, was eating, yes i can
[03:24] <FR500> tritium, only when i use properties the error occurs
[03:24] <Quest-Master> FR500: Did you get that crash fixed?
[03:24] <FR500> Quest-Master, nope
[03:24] <Quest-Master> :(!
[03:24] <tritium> FR500, sorry.  I can't reproduce that here.  It works just fine for me.
[03:24] <jaimico> crimsun, http://pahttp://pastebin.ca/7454stebin.ca/7454
[03:24] <FR500> ok
[03:24] <FR500> Quest-Master, that's the error i get on the console
[03:24] <FR500> s in the repos
[03:24] <FR500> FR500 ok
[03:24] <FR500> FR500 tritium, 29597)
[03:24] <FR500> FR500 lol
[03:24] <FR500> * png`idLe has quit (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer))
[03:24] <FR500> FR500 tritium, http://www.pastebin.com/256758
[03:25] <FR500> tritium FR500, okay
[03:25] <FR500> riffic why did aptitude show it as 2.6.10-6
[03:25] <FR500> riffic weird program
[03:25] <jaimico> crimsun, sorry lol http://pastebin.ca/7454
[03:25] <FR500> oops
[03:25] <FR500> sorry
[03:25] <Quest-Master> Hehe
[03:25] <Quest-Master> X-Chat does that sometimes
[03:25] <Quest-Master> Weird
[03:25] <FR500> Quest-Master, only this line  http://www.pastebin.com/256758
[03:25] <sabot4ge> i cant install mplaye in hoary-preview. Someone can give a valid repository, or a source.list please?
[03:25] <DazeD||laptop> sabot4ge: www.ubuntuguide.org has a source.list
[03:25] <DazeD||laptop> for hoary
[03:26] <tritium> Anubis, did you get the weather calendar in evolution working?  I got it setup now.
[03:26] <Anubis> yes
[03:26] <Anubis> thanks
[03:26] <sabot4ge> DazeD||laptop,  i already installed these ones, and some other ones. But it still dont install
[03:27] <Anubis> tritium, why does'nt the clear recent documents work immediately?
[03:27] <tritium> Anubis, don't know
[03:28] <FR500> Quest-Master, i was thinking maybe gstreamer or something mught fix it
[03:28] <jaimico> crimsun, anything weird?
[03:28] <crimsun> jaimico: sec, I'm kinda busy atm but will look shortly.
[03:28] <Quest-Master> Hmm
[03:29] <crimsun> jaimico: you have an oss sound module loaded, and it's conflicting with alsa's
[03:29] <crimsun> jaimico: that's why you can't use any alsa programs
[03:29] <crimsun> jaimico: please sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[03:30] <jaimico> crimsun, ok..but..what should i do? unload the alsa and use the oss or unload oss and use the alsa?
[03:30] <crimsun> jaimico: you should use alsa. but first, run those apt-get commands.
[03:30] <Brend> Hm. postfix is spamming /var/log/syslog with fatal errors. Interesting.
[03:30] <jaimico> crimsun, on it..
[03:30] <jaimico> crimsun, btw am on horay
[03:30] <jaimico> hoary*
[03:30] <crimsun> jaimico: I know.
[03:31] <lamont> Brend: dpkg -l postfix
[03:32] <Brend> Hm. That tells me things which I don't understand, but which look worrying.
[03:32] <Brend> Like "Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed"
[03:33] <crimsun> lamont wants the last line.
[03:33] <Brend> This one? "ii  postfix        2.1.5-9ubuntu1 A high-performance mail transport agent"
[03:33] <jaimico> crimsun, im already upgraded..0 upgraded,0 newly installed,0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.. and it says "the following packages have been kept back x-window-system-core".
[03:33] <lamont> yeah. that one.
[03:33] <lamont> sudo newaliases
[03:33] <lamont> or upgrade to 2.1.5-9ubuntu2
[03:34] <Brend> Well, I'm running apt-get dist-upgrade at the moment, which mentions postfix ...
[03:34] <lamont> that'll do it
[03:34] <FR500> hmmm is there any way to change the update notification icon to something...........bigger?
[03:34] <crimsun> jaimico: grep cs4281 /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/alsa-base
[03:34] <lamont> bug #6232 in bugzilla
[03:35] <thebluecow> Hola =D
[03:35] <Brend> Is it possible that this is what was crashing our server? It was the last thing in syslog before it died.
[03:35] <lamont> shouldn't be
[03:35] <Brend> Damn.
[03:35] <thebluecow> Just wanted to say real quick, Ubuntu is seriously the coolest distro ever. After trying out 5 others, this is by far the best.
[03:35] <jaimico> crimsun, returns..cs4281
[03:35] <thebluecow> Just thought I'd say =D
[03:36] <aule> hey
[03:36] <crimsun> jaimico: paste onto pastebin.ca the contents of /etc/modules
[03:36] <aule> i have some questions
[03:36] <aule> does someone have the time ti help me?
[03:36] <Brend> Yeah .. other than the mysterious crashes and my strange ability to install eight hundred versions of python simultanously, I really like ubuntu so far ... I'll be rather sad if IBM make us run Redhat instead :)
[03:37] <DarthFrog> aule: Ask your questions.  If we can help, we will.
[03:37] <thebluecow> The only issue I've had is with sound and... Tux Racer is glitchy, lol
[03:37] <aule> ok
[03:37] <jaimico> crimsun, http:/http://pastebin.ca/7455
[03:37] <DarthFrog> Brend: You have tried to re-install Ubuntu?
[03:38] <aule> first off, how do i get programs?
[03:39] <Brend> DarthFrog, we did so last week and it didn't make any difference ... it's a very clean install anyway though, I can't imagine that doing it again would make much difference
[03:39] <DarthFrog> Brend: Darn.
[03:39] <riffic> tritium, crimsun: looks like my sound stuff is working again
[03:39] <crimsun> jaimico: interesting, something's very broken on your system. Let's try: echo "cs4281" | sudo tee -a /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[03:39] <crimsun> riffic: good.
[03:39] <tritium> riffic, good
[03:39] <riffic> can't test it because I'm not there, but no errors when I restart /etc/init.d/alsa
[03:39] <crimsun> jaimico: then reboot
[03:40] <riffic> but I just rebooted on the 2.6.10 kernel
[03:40] <crimsun> riffic: cat /proc/asound/modules
[03:40] <jaimico> crimsun, brb
[03:40] <riffic> riffic@ashland:~ $ cat /proc/asound/modules
[03:40] <riffic> 0 snd_cs46xx
[03:40] <riffic> ooh this rocks
[03:40] <Brend> Incidentally, thankyou all for putting up with my repeated stupid questions - keeping servers running is not my forte at all :)
[03:40] <riffic> thanks sirs
[03:40] <crimsun> riffic: excellent.
[03:41] <riffic> i figured it was just temporary borkenness
[03:41] <riffic> its what I get for running an unstable branch
[03:41] <aule> how do i get programs easily
[03:41] <bryan> aule:  synaptic
[03:42] <DarthFrog> bryan: what is the menu option for Synaptic? I'm running KDE, so don't have the Gnome menus.
[03:42] <bryan> dunno
[03:42] <DarthFrog> aule: There is a menu option for adding/updating programs. The actual program that runs is called synaptic.
[03:43] <rr> hi can anyone help with ubuntu horay + pcmcia wireless ?
[03:43] <DarthFrog> aule: Or if you like the command line, you can use apt-get.
[03:43] <aule> ok
[03:43] <aule> ty
[03:43] <aule> :)
[03:43] <aule> also, the account i make at setu
[03:43] <aule> **setup
[03:43] <aule> will cause me to not need root account?
[03:43] <tritium> aule, the first user you setup can use sudo
[03:44] <chillywilly> lallala
[03:44] <DarthFrog> aule: Correct. If you do something that needs root access, it will ask you for your password.
[03:44] <aule> ok
[03:44] <aule> :)
[03:44] <aule> i like so far
[03:44] <aule> much better than gentoo
[03:44] <PoopinClumpin> is there a way to get gnome file manager to show the full path to files in the browser
[03:44] <aule> i pwnt my 7-day install of gentoo for this
[03:44] <aule> :p
[03:45] <DarthFrog> aule: Gentoo is a very good distribution for those who like that sort of thing. :-)
[03:46] <jaimico> crimsun, sup..
[03:46] <DarthFrog> But Gentoo can in no way be considered a beginners distribution.
[03:46] <PoopinClumpin> cause i looked at all the menus and it doesnt seem like theres any way to show a path in the file manager
[03:46] <Brend> That could be said of anything, DarthFrog ... like, "Fedora is a very good distribution for those who like pain and suffering"
[03:46] <mjr> hmm, totem-gstreamer seems to work somewhat better in these hoary days
[03:47] <mjr> though theora decoding is jerky :(
[03:47] <DarthFrog> Whereas Ubuntu is a superb distro for both beginners and experts alike.
[03:47] <DarthFrog> Brend: if you like that sort of thing. :-)  Not my cup of tea, mind you.
[03:47] <PoopinClumpin> so if theres ubuntu experts then how come none of them can tell me how to display a path in the gnome file manager
[03:47] <crimsun> jaimico: ?
[03:48] <DarthFrog> PoopinClumpin: Maybe because no one has tried to do it and can't give you the help you want?
[03:48] <tritium> PoopinClumpin, that's not the friendliest way to get help.
[03:48] <jaimico> crimsun, ..remember me? we were..doing the sound drivers..? you told me to reboot?
[03:48] <crimsun> jaimico: yes...and?
[03:48] <PoopinClumpin> eh okie
[03:48] <mjr> PoopinClumpin, bottom left gives you an idea of the path, "browse folder" gives you a browser window with the path present
[03:48] <jaimico> crimsun, uhm..i still try to play something in xmms and it crashes..
[03:49] <PoopinClumpin> thanks mjr
[03:49] <crimsun> jaimico: what plugin is xmms configured to use?
[03:49] <jakes> Anyone have any idea what log file I should look in for clues?  My fresh Hoary install won't start gnome.
[03:50] <jaimico> crimsun, i configure it to alsa and i says."Failed to open pcm device (hw:0,0): Device or resource busy" "xmms-mad-Message: failed to open audio output: ALSA 1.2.10 output plugxmms-mad-Message: failed to open audio output: ALSA 1.2.10 output plugin"
[03:50] <byte-poet> aye
[03:50] <mdblitz1> 
[03:50] <jakes> I get a brown screen, cursor, and the nice ubunto sound, but then nothing else happens.
[03:50] <crimsun> jaimico: tell xmms to use the esound output instead.
[03:51] <byte-poet> anyone got a page on how to read ntfs partitions in ubuntu?
[03:51] <jaimico> crimsun, same error..
[03:51] <PoopinClumpin> ah i see, the answer is that you have to check the box "always open in browser window" in the gnome file manager options
[03:51] <crimsun> jaimico: lsmod|grep ^cs4281
[03:51] <jaimico> crimsun, and oss *crash*
[03:52] <jaimico> crimsun, nothing in return.
[03:52] <crimsun> jaimico: lsmod|grep ^snd_cs4281
[03:52] <jaimico> crimsun, snd_cs4281             20576  2
[03:53] <crimsun> jaimico: cat /proc/asound/modules
[03:53] <jaimico> crimsun, 0 snd_cs4281
[03:53] <tritium> PoopinClumpin, that's to switch from spatial nautilus to browser mode.  If it does what you want, it's a side-effect.
[03:53] <crimsun> jaimico: cat /proc/asound/cards
[03:54] <jaimico> crimsun, 0 [CS4281         ] : CS4281 - Cirrus Logic CS4281
[03:54] <jaimico>                     0 [CS4281         ] : CS4281 - Cirrus Logic CS4281
[03:54] <jaimico>                      Cirrus Logic CS4281 at 0xd0010000, irq 11 Cirrus Logic CS4281 at 0xd0010000, irq 11
[03:54] <jaimico> erhm..sry
[03:54] <niran> PoopinClumpin: to display the path in nautilus, press ctrl+L
[03:54] <jaimico> 0 [CS4281         ] : CS4281 - Cirrus Logic CS4281
[03:54] <jaimico>                      Cirrus Logic CS4281 at 0xd0010000, irq 11
[03:55] <crimsun> jaimico: do you have a .wav file handy/
[03:55] <Dethread> is it a sin for me to interview with Microsoft :(
[03:55] <crimsun> Dethread: no, why would it be?
[03:56] <jaimico> crimsun, hmm..yup why? try to play it?
[03:56] <Dethread> because I'm a Linux-only person
[03:56] <alisson> hello Quest-Master. may you give me a little help?
[03:56] <mjr> Dethread, depends if you're going in for espionage and sabotage or real work ;)
[03:56] <crimsun> jaimico: aplay -Dplughw:0 some.wav
[03:56] <Dethread> hehe
[03:56] <DarthFrog> Dethread: So why is MS interested in you?
[03:57] <jakes> exit
[03:57] <Dethread> because I'm a good software engineer (I think)
[03:57] <jaimico> crimsun, ..nothing..?
[03:57] <Quest-Master> alisson: Sure
[03:57] <tritium> what's a software engineer?  Is there really an engineering degree in software?
[03:57] <crimsun> jaimico: describe "nothing".
[03:57] <ian__> anyone successfully running NetworkManager?
[03:58] <crimsun> tritium: there are specialisations is "software engineering"
[03:58] <Dethread> there are such degrees actually...
[03:58] <tritium> cool
[03:58] <crimsun> tritium: _in_, rather
[03:58] <tritium> how is it different from computer science?
[03:58] <olu> whats the easiest way converting ntfs to ext2/ext3?
[03:58] <crimsun> the MS interview is a very, very long process.
[03:58] <tritium> the degree, itself?
[03:58] <jaimico> crimsun, hmm hear nothing? i clicked the little speaker on the top and it let me select between 2 devices. cirrus 4297A and cirrus logic cs4281
[03:59] <mjr> olu, backup, mke2fs [-j] , restore
[03:59] <Dethread> tritium, it is more focused on team interactions and the process of designing, developing and maintaining software, while CS is more on algorithms
[03:59] <crimsun> tritium: computer science is the categorical study of concepts related to advancing the fundamental ideas behind it
[03:59] <mjr> dunno if partition magic or some other proprietary tool can do it any better than that
[03:59] <tritium> Dethread, crimsun cool.  Thanks for the info.
[03:59] <olu> mjr: its 500gb, cant backup that much
[03:59] <crimsun> for instance, I'm a "computer scientist" foremost and a "software engineer" second
[04:00] <duncanm> is there BitTorrent 4.0 for Hoary?
[04:00] <crimsun> duncanm: no
[04:00] <duncanm> hrm
[04:00] <duncanm> that's no fun
[04:00] <crimsun> duncanm: the license is murky in addition
[04:00] <Brend> Most of the computer scientists I know spend their time playing with imaginary robots and sulking.
[04:00] <Dethread> is there software to burn audio cds (from mp3s) in hoary?
[04:01] <crimsun> Brend: nah, we do Interesting Things. ;-)
[04:01] <tritium> crimsun, Dethread: I ask in part because of the ongoing debate in IEEE about whether to include software engineering in IEEE
[04:01] <ian__> Brend: why sulking?
[04:01] <mjr> olu, well, compress anything that compressess, resize the partition to be smaller, create an ext3, move stuff there, resize both, repeat ;)
[04:01] <jakes> Any suggestions on what log files to check to debug gnome startup?
[04:01] <tritium> Dethread, k3b, gnomebaker, graveman
[04:01] <Dethread> tritium, it's an ongoing process....I believe SE has its place among other engineering disciplines
[04:01] <jaimico> crimsun, ..any suggestions..still thinking?
[04:01] <crimsun> tritium: well, SE can certainly apply certain principles, hence the whole momentum toward Six Sigma in some clearinghouses.
[04:01] <tritium> Dethread, possibly, but as an EE, I'd like to see it in IEEE as well
[04:01] <olu> mjr: tried to resize with partition magic in windows, but i only get errors
[04:02] <crimsun> tritium: it's of course debatable how much of SS is really just a buzzphrase
[04:02] <Brend> ian__, the ever-increasing void between theoretical computing and the state of the industry. Beaurocracy. Money-centric students. Corporations. .NET. Long hours, low pay. False economies.
[04:02] <tritium> crimsun, I think we're going to need some good input from software engineers to get it approved in IEEE
[04:02] <Brend> Though that's academia rather than CS per se, I guess
[04:02] <crimsun> jaimico: what program?
[04:03] <jaimico> crimsun, what program?
[04:03] <mjr> olu, well, you might try ntfsresize, but of course, the recommendation is to make a backup before using it ;)
[04:03] <crimsun> Brend: perhaps across the board. In my experience, students can be highly motivated by FLOSS, too.
[04:03] <jaimico> crimsun, i dunno the gnome volume control?
[04:04] <crimsun> jaimico: did you choose the ALSA portion?
[04:04] <jaimico> crimsun, yup..and try to play something and..nothing
[04:04] <jaimico> crimsun, i think dunno why the system has registered 2 cards..how can i remove one
[04:04] <crimsun> jaimico: nothing as in aplay hangs, waiting, or does it spit out an error, or does it appear to play, but you can't hear anything...?
[04:05] <Brend> crimsun, it depends where you go, I guess. In England at least, a disturbing percentage of CS students have no interest in CS _or_ SE as such, it's just a lucrative career
[04:05] <Brend> Hence, terrible software everywhere!
[04:05] <jaimico> crimsun, it appears to be playing the file but i cant hear a thing
[04:05] <tritium> Dethread, good luck in your interview!
[04:05] <Dethread> already had it :)
[04:05] <Dethread> but thanks
[04:05] <crimsun> Brend: most of us who endured undergrad through the dot-com bubble know better than to expect {a} lucrative career[s] 
[04:05] <tritium> Dethread, oh...I hope you get good news :)
[04:06] <Dethread> as do I
[04:06] <JDahl> tritium, are people currently doing enough research on SE to include it IEEE as a chapter?
[04:06] <crimsun> Dethread: how long was yours?
[04:06] <MEMEyou> hile, i just installed warty on ppc, how do i change the resolution?
[04:06] <Dethread> it was just a phone interview...it was ~30 minutes long
[04:06] <tritium> JDahl, some people are pushing for it, others are opposed to it.  it's a big debate right now
[04:06] <ian__> is NetworkManager support planned for ubuntu?
[04:06] <MEMEyou> i was 640x480 so that is all i have in /etc/X11/XFree8...
[04:06] <MEMEyou> want
[04:06] <ficusplanet> ian__, Yes, for hoary+1.
[04:06] <jaimico> crimsun, it appears to be playing the file but i cant hear nothing..
[04:06] <crimsun> Dethread: ah, the next step is flying you out :-).  My on-site lasted ~7 hours.
[04:07] <ian__> ficusplanet: first release after official hoary release?
[04:07] <Dethread> crimsun, yeah, that's what I heard. Have a bunch of friends who work/ed for MS
[04:07] <tritium> JDahl, and both sides have some good arguments.
[04:07] <MEMEyou> my computer keeps starting up at 1024x768, how do i change it?
[04:07] <ficusplanet> ian__, In hoary, you can use netapplet to achieve a lot of the same functionality.  Yes, next release after hoary will have NetworkManager.
[04:07] <crimsun> it's an interesting environment but not my cup of tea.
[04:07] <Dethread> how so?
[04:07] <ficusplanet> ian__, There were some squabbles over the implementation that NM was using, but they're all worked out now.
[04:07] <crimsun> jaimico: please paste the output of amixer onto http://pastebin.ca
[04:07] <tritium> Dethread, I have family on my wife's side that work there.
[04:07] <crimsun> Dethread: there's not much room for branching out
[04:08] <Dethread> :(
[04:08] <MEMEyou> anyone?
[04:08] <crimsun> Dethread: they, however, offer great benefits
[04:08] <Dethread> well, I'm just interviewing for an intership...so I'm not looking for much branching out (yet)
[04:08] <ian__> ficusplanet: oh, great.  I tried the instructions here http://people.ubuntu.com/~thom/network-manager/   without success
[04:08] <crimsun> Dethread: well, best of luck to you. :-)
[04:08] <JDahl> tritium, that sounds just like what IEEE needs... more journals and conferences *cough*
[04:08] <Dethread> thank you sir
[04:08] <jaimico> crimsun, http://pastebin.ca/7461
[04:09] <tritium> JDahl, yeah, the whole publishing process is a big money-making scam ;)
[04:09] <ficusplanet> ian__, If you want NM in hoary, I'd recommend building CVS and then modifying the dbus policy files to allow your user NetworkManagerInfo permissions.  Maybe I should write a wiki page on this.
[04:09] <ian__> ficusplanet: I think that's a great idea :)  6 months is a long time to wait
[04:09] <crimsun> jaimico: which output are you using, headphones? spdif?
[04:10] <jaimico> crimsun, headphones
[04:10] <crimsun> jaimico: connected to line-out?
[04:10] <jaimico> crimsun, yup..i have the stereo..connected to the headphones output
[04:10] <ficusplanet> ian__, Good point.  I'll get something together before hoary - might as well package it up, too.  The only annoyance with netapplet is that it uses gnome-keyring instead of gconf for wep keys, so you have to enter your password to change to another secure network.
[04:11] <crimsun> jaimico: it looks like one or more of your mixer sliders is set too low and/or muted
[04:11] <zenrox> we need to get a chat on skype night
[04:11] <jaimico> crimsun, but i still have 2 cards detected why dont i just remove one of them?
[04:11] <crimsun> jaimico: I would look at unmuting the 'Aux' output and increasing the volume slider
[04:11] <crimsun> jaimico: that's not "two" cards, just different names for the detected device
[04:11] <spiderworm> hey all i threw in a pcmcia card after i had already installed ubuntu, its an atheros chipset card that works with madwifi, and madwifi is installed as part of the base ubuntu install according to what i've read... does ubuntu not check for new hardware on startup?
[04:12] <tritium> ficusplanet, somebody packaged up NetworkManager before
[04:12] <ian__> tritium: the link I pasted earlier?
[04:12] <ficusplanet> tritium, Yeah, Thom May did, but they're the old 0.3.1 packages that are far off from current CVS builds and a bit buggy.
[04:12] <crimsun> jaimico: I have to run, but I'll be back in ~1 1/2 hours if you wish to continue troubleshooting then.
[04:12] <tritium> ian__, I missed it, if you pasted one
[04:12] <tritium> ficusplanet, oh, I see.  Well, a good starting point, I would imagine
[04:12] <mjr> spiderworm, you need the linux-restricted-modules package corresponding to your kernel from the restricted repository
[04:12] <jaimico> crimsun, i go to aumix and max the volumes and i can hear the speakers doing the fade sound.
[04:13] <spiderworm> mjr, i do have that installed for my kernel
[04:13] <mjr> righto
[04:13] <mjr> well, it should be detected, but not automatically configured
[04:13] <spiderworm> mjr, its not detected
[04:14] <mjr> then there's something wrong ;)
[04:14] <FR500> what file do i use to run this at startup: hdparm -d1 -X66 /dev/hdc
[04:14] <spiderworm> lol
[04:14] <spiderworm> no shi*
[04:15] <tritium> FR500, /etc/hdparm.conf can be used to configure hdparm
[04:15] <mjr> except that hdparm.conf is evaluated before the cdrom device node appears
[04:15] <mjr> which sucks
[04:15] <tritium> FR500, is hdc a cdrom?  If so, it might not work
[04:15] <tritium> mjr, yeah...
[04:15] <mjr> (oh right, I assumed it was a cd)
[04:16] <FR500> hmmm
[04:16] <tritium> FR500, you can change the order in which the init scripts are called at boot
[04:16] <FR500> tritium, is it messy?
[04:17] <tritium> FR500, sort of...
[04:17] <FR500> no way to just call the command, maybe dirty but it's easy
[04:17] <tritium> FR500, you certainly can, yes
[04:17] <FR500> i used to use rc.local in rh, but that is not here
[04:18] <FR500> where can i do that?
[04:18] <tritium> /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh, if you like
[04:18] <tritium> or make your own initscript, and update-rc.d it
[04:18] <FR500> ok
[04:19] <FR500> thx
[04:19] <tritium> sure
[04:19] <spiderworm> mjr im not new to linux but new to ubuntu, you're telling me then that i should have just been able to stick the pcmcia card in and see it in System>Administration>Networking ?
[04:21] <ficusplanet> spiderworm, If the driver for card is installed, yes.
[04:21] <mjr> basically yes
[04:21] <spiderworm> well hats of to the devel team, if that works most of the time
[04:22] <jaime> hello
[04:22] <ficusplanet> spiderworm, For wifi cards, you may have to install the windows drivers with ndiswrapper, but that is pretty easy to do.
[04:22] <spiderworm> do you recall what the module is for the atheros based chipsets?
[04:22] <error_29> Good evening, folks.  Is anyone else having this problem in hoary:
[04:22] <spiderworm> ficusplanet, this one should work with madwifi
[04:22] <error_29> Files that I save on the desktop don't appear there
[04:22] <DarthFrog> spiderworm: ath_pci
[04:22] <ficusplanet> spiderworm, Cool.
[04:22] <error_29> I can only view them by using "find files"
[04:22] <spiderworm> ficusplanet, i wonder if it has something to do with the fact that im on amd64?
[04:22] <speel> alot of you run hoary?
[04:22] <spiderworm> this is my first linux/amd64 experience...
[04:23] <mjr> spiderworm, ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[04:23] <DarthFrog> spiderworm: It's available in the restricted-modules package.
[04:23] <ian__> spiderworm: I just installed Ubuntu and putting in a D-Link DWL-650 wireless card resulted in orinoco_cs being loaded and the light flashing-- I don't have an AP to test with at the moment though
[04:23] <mjr> the atheros driver has a non-free x86 component in it
[04:23] <mjr> no win
[04:23] <jaime> viva ubuntu
[04:23] <speel> lol
[04:23] <spiderworm> ian__, that is the exact same card i have!
[04:23] <mjr> or hmm
[04:23] <spiderworm> ian__, orinco_cs?
[04:23] <mjr> come to think of it, I'm not sure if there isn't an amd64 version
[04:24] <ian__> spiderworm: yeah-- why, yours didn't load the driver?
[04:24] <spiderworm> ian__, no it didnt im starting to think its because my architecture isnt supported yet
[04:24] <spiderworm> ian__, amd64
[04:24] <spiderworm> ian__, you on i386?
[04:25] <ian__> spiderworm: yeah
[04:26] <jakes> error_29: I cannot get a desktop in hoary
[04:26] <spiderworm> ian__, ok the orinoco_cs module loaded, dont think its works tho still
[04:26] <mjr> no it won't
[04:26] <spiderworm> its not tying the module to the card
[04:26] <spiderworm> how do i assign the card to the module?
[04:27] <mjr> hmm, but apparently there is madwifi support for amd64, but it seems fairly recent
[04:27] <mjr> (from a quick search)
[04:27] <mjr> ah well
[04:27] <error_29> jakes, why is that?  I upgraded from warty; did you do install from hoary preview?
[04:28] <FR500> hmmm
[04:28] <FR500> tritium,
[04:28] <FR500> tritium, that didnt work
[04:28] <error_29> The reason I ask, Jakes, is that, on another machine, installing iso from hoary preview wouldn't let me install ubuntu-desktop
[04:28] <FR500> does anyone know how to enable dma on dvd rom?
[04:29] <jakes> Yes, I installed from hoary preview
[04:29] <bretzel> Hi there :-) ( I went to #kubuntu - but no one free for my question: )
[04:29] <tritium> FR500, what method did you use?
[04:29] <jakes> Tried AMD64 and I386, neither work
[04:29] <FR500> bootmisc.sh
[04:29] <bretzel> FR500: sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hd[your DVD]  ??
[04:29] <tritium> FR500, the hdparm -d1 is the right command
[04:29] <ian__> I'm new to Ubuntu (from slack)-- in general, how safe is it to update packages from ubuntu's apt servers?  how likely is it to break stuff? (just looking for experiences/opinions)
[04:29] <jakes> How would I see if ubuntu-desktop failed to install?
[04:30] <tritium> FR500, did it give you an error about there not being a cdrom device?
[04:30] <speel> ian__, the security updates are pretty stable
[04:30] <atek> im str8 up nu to linux i need help doing basic stuff
[04:30] <FR500> it didnt find the device: no such device
[04:30] <spiderworm> what the hell? where are the network devices listed under /dev ???
[04:30] <FR500> so it's called before the other stuff
[04:30] <mjr> spiderworm, they aren't
[04:30] <speel> atek, lol ok so state your problem
[04:31] <spiderworm> mjr, am i crazy?  didnt they used to be??  where are they at now?
[04:31] <FR500> tritium, it didnt find the device: no such device
[04:31] <atek> im trying to install ymessenger but i have no clue how to
[04:31] <tritium> FR500, looks like even that script is run too early
[04:31] <mjr> spiderworm, they never were
[04:31] <tritium> spiderworm, they hever have been
[04:31] <atek> i read the read me files
[04:31] <spiderworm> im crazy
[04:31] <FR500> yes
[04:31] <atek> but i still cant
[04:31] <atek> install it
[04:31] <mjr> network interfaces are an ugly special case ;)
[04:31] <bretzel> Question about KDE-3.4.0ubuntu and kompmgr: I am used to run xcompmgr, but kompmgr seems to have more features: but my kmopmgr doesnt do anything ( it expets ~/.xcmopmgrrc but it is missing ) - I am screwed
[04:31] <error_29> I don't know what to tell you jakes, sorry.
[04:31] <speel> atek, you know gaim has a yahoo plugin right?
[04:31] <tritium> FR500, either use a custom script and move it to later in the boot process, or do it manually, I guess
[04:32] <atek> no
[04:32] <atek> man
[04:32] <speel> lol
[04:32] <jakes> how did you know ubuntu-desktop failed to install?
[04:32] <atek> im nu so i dont know anything i just got tired of windows
[04:32] <FR500> tritium, can u explain the custom script?
[04:32] <speel> atek, its cool
[04:32] <unifi> what do you mean failed to install jakes?
[04:32] <ian__> atek: right on, man, welcome!
[04:32] <hypa7ia> hey, does anyone else think that the colour assigned to highlited menu options in hoary is kinda... to pale?
[04:33] <spiderworm> well i suppose i'll stick with winXP for awhile... i bet in a month or two there'll be an update for my arch/pcmcia card....
[04:33] <tritium> FR500, you're best off reading the manpage for update-rc.d
[04:33] <ian__> atek: I just switched to ubuntu from a different flavor of Linux... you made a good choice :)
[04:33] <atek> thanks
[04:33] <FR500> tritium, ok, thx
[04:33] <error_29> In my case, jakes, because "startx" from a command prompt didn't work, and on this channel someone told me it was probably because ubuntu-desktop wasn't installed
[04:33] <jakes> error_29 said "installing iso from hoary preview wouldn't let me install ubuntu-desktop"
[04:33] <atek> uhm can u tell me where exactly this plugin is at?
[04:33] <ian__> atek: built in...
[04:33] <speel> atek, open up gaim
[04:33] <bretzel> sorry for the flood:kompmgr -cCfn
[04:33] <bretzel> trying '/home/felix/.xcompmgrrc' as configfile
[04:33] <bretzel> failed to open config file. does it exist?
[04:33] <bretzel> Started
[04:33] <jakes> o
[04:33] <atek> k
[04:33] <atek> done
[04:33] <tritium> FR500, it's got examples and tells you where to find a skeleton to build from
[04:34] <ian__> atek: go into Accounts
[04:34] <speel> atek, click on accounts
[04:34] <error_29> When i tried to install it with sudo apt-get, I got nothing but error messages.  I may have burned my disk wrong.  Don't know.
[04:34] <atek> ok
[04:34] <jakes> doesn't sound like my issue
[04:34] <srid> I am looking syntax higlighted 'less' (like 'more')
[04:34] <speel> atek, then add then find yahoo and put ur name pw and save ur pw and connect :)
[04:34] <srid> coz, vi is too slow in startup
[04:34] <jakes> I can run startx, or launch GDM, just when I logon I get a brown screen + cursor + sound, but no desktop
[04:35] <srid> jakes, try startx'ing from newly created user account
[04:35] <ian__> anyone familiar with switching ACPI to APM on a slightly older thinkpad (T23)
[04:35] <error_29> well, good luck jakes.  I just wish that on this machine, where I do have the desktop, i could save things to it and not have them seem to disappear!
[04:35] <atek> omg thanks
[04:35] <jakes> srid:  I'll try that on my next reboot
[04:35] <speel> atek, np
[04:35] <atek> i feel so retarded
[04:35] <speel> lol
[04:35] <ian__> atek: are you using Gaim for IRC?  it can do that too
[04:35] <jakes> Pretty soon I'm going to have to give up and go back to XP.  My wife is getting very concerned about checking her email when I leave for work :(
[04:36] <speel> atek, here also this might come in handy http://ubuntuguide.org/
[04:36] <atek> really
[04:36] <atek> ok
[04:36] <atek> thanks a bunch
[04:37] <speel> np
[04:37] <msh_> irssi > *
[04:37] <msh_> and for aim
[04:37] <error_29> jakes, good reason to get an extra computer!
[04:37] <msh_> pork > *
[04:37] <speel> xchat == *
[04:37] <msh_> pfft
[04:37] <speel> lol
[04:37] <msh_> pork/centericq > **** when it comes to aim
[04:37] <speel> uk rap == *
[04:38] <msh_> ...
[04:38] <jakes> error_29: amen
[04:38] <msh_> everyone apt-get install pork
[04:38] <msh_> <3
[04:38] <speel> speel@homebox:~ $ man women
[04:38] <speel> No manual entry for women
[04:39] <jakes> Any suggestions on what log files might hold a clue to my issue?
[04:39] <rkn> You know, I've seen other distributions (progeny iirc) manage a slick X configuration.  Why hasn't someone stolen that for debian and ubuntu?
[04:39] <ian__> speel: now try man on man.
[04:39] <msh_> rkn
[04:39] <speel> ian__, lol
[04:39] <msh_> are you lookign for an xconfig tool?
[04:39] <error_29> So nobody has any clues for me on my invisible (no, they're not hidden) files on my desktop, which I can only see by using search?
[04:39] <cybermagellan> I have a pressing issue....how do you disable the motherboard diagnostics for monitoring such as temperature and such?
[04:39] <jakes> srid: same thing happens with a new user
[04:40] <ian__> error_29: is nautilus managing your desktop?
[04:40] <msh_> rkn: what are you lookign for, an x config tool?
[04:40] <tritium> cybermagellan, probably in the bios setup
[04:40] <rkn> mxh: Well, it'd be nice.
[04:40] <rkn> msh: the dialog stuff isn't so great (or reliable)
[04:40] <msh_> rkn: sudo xf86config
[04:40] <msh_> oh
[04:40] <rkn> msh: That's even worse.
[04:40] <msh_> pfft
[04:41] <msh_> well why dont you know your monitor definitions by heart?
[04:41] <rkn> Seriously, progeny or something had a really cool one back in the xfree86-3.x days.
[04:41] <rkn> pfft ;)
[04:41] <gratuit> hi I just installed ubuntu, and I was wondering, why does the default install have me listening on port 25? and why does trying to remove postfix try to also remove ubuntu-base?
[04:41] <cybermagellan> Well I am dual booting...and windows stays up perfectly fine for days at a time...BUT I install and *nix distro and it restarts the computer. Once I caught it saying critical temperature shutting down and would like to disable that
[04:41] <error_29> ian__, that's a good question.  I had assumed so.  The desktop is acting weird in other ways; the screen edges flash whenever i drag anything near them, for example.  I'll check gconfig
[04:42] <lamont> gratuit: it should have you listening on port 25 of the loopback address only
[04:42] <lamont> and ubuntu-base is a meta package that Depends: postfix - if you remove postfix, then it goes to.
[04:42] <lamont> too, even
[04:42] <cybermagellan> My motherboard doesn't have any diagnostics....but all *nix distro's think it does
[04:43] <cybermagellan> Well I should say monitoring tools
[04:43] <rkn> It was nice to see synaptic prompt me for a password and just sudo or su.
[04:43] <gratuit> lamont: I got that, but I was wondering more of the reason that ubuntu base depended on postfix, is the distribution somehow dependant on there being a mailserver active?
[04:44] <cybermagellan> I know in Knoppix I'm supposed to be able to use noacpi......but I don't know in Ubuntu what the cheatcode is
[04:44] <GhostFreeman> How do I find out if i'm running Warty or Hoary?
[04:44] <Brend> Wait five minutes, and see if it crashes
[04:44] <Brend> :)
[04:44] <GhostFreeman> lol
[04:44] <tritium> GhostFreeman, cat /etc/issue
[04:45] <GhostFreeman> running Warty
[04:45] <GhostFreeman> k
[04:45] <cybermagellan> Anyone know the answer to my question?
[04:45] <cybermagellan> Or should I file for a tech support ticket or something?
[04:45] <tritium> cybermagellan, I suggested above that you to look at your BIOS settings
[04:45] <mackid> can anyone tell me where to get libdvdcss2?  the repos i have seem to not have it
[04:45] <Dull404> anyone here good at setting up a combined desktop and ftp computer? i want to restrict a ftp user to only have access to his/her "home" dir..... any guides? tutorials?
[04:45] <lamont> gratuit: the plan is to remove that dependency for hoary +1
[04:46] <Dull404> im using vsftp
[04:46] <Dull404> =}
[04:46] <rkn> I wonder why apache2 depends on gcc.
[04:46] <lamont> mackid: multivers
[04:46] <lamont> e
[04:46] <error_29> well, I thought I knew where to find the settings for "let nautilus draw desktop" or whatever, in gconfig, but I can't find it now.  Can anybody tell me which menu to look in?
[04:47] <cybermagellan> Tritium, My Motherboard doesn't support monitoring....I've already checked
[04:47] <speel> did any one NOT run into any problems running hoary?
[04:47] <lagcisco> hey guys, i installed ubuntu, and choose to update while still installing, then i cancelled it, finished the process, and reboot, but now while in ubuntu i cant login as root, in fact, i dont think i was even asked to enter a root password, i just created a normal user account, what can i do?
[04:47] <lamont> lagcisco: sudo -s
[04:47] <Dull404> speel, it worked for me....
[04:47] <speel> hmm intresting
[04:47] <tritium> speel, I haven't
[04:47] <DarthFrog> lagcisco: realize that you have a normal installation.  Ubuntu does not have a root account.
[04:47] <lagcisco> lamont: why does ubunto do this?
[04:48] <lamont> lagcisco: there's a page on the wiki about root passwords
[04:48] <lamont> see the wiki
[04:48] <lagcisco> oh
[04:48] <lagcisco> is there an easy-to-use way to configure X?
[04:48] <woodwizzle> hoary has been good to me so far. Only a couple minimal issues
[04:48] <Dull404> lagcisco, xorgconfig, xorgcfg --textmode
[04:48] <lamont> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root/view?searchterm=Root
[04:48] <speel> intresting both times i tryed it , it screwd up
[04:48] <gratuit> woodwizzle: what kind of things have you run into?
[04:49] <lamont> lagcisco: ^^ for the root question
[04:49] <lagcisco> intresting, im new to ubuntu
[04:49] <lagcisco> what package do i use for xorgconfig ?
[04:49] <speel> regeya_, thats what kubuntu is lol ( i think thats how you spell it )
[04:49] <lagcisco> err what do i install
[04:50] <speel> xorg does not come with warty
[04:50] <mackid> lamont: how do i set up multiverse in my sources.list?
[04:50] <lamont> mackid: :%s/universe/universe multiverse/
[04:51] <lamont> is what I would do...
[04:51] <lagcisco> speel: i cant install warty?
[04:51] <lagcisco> err i cant install xorg on warty?
[04:51] <DarthFrog> lamont: Oh, that's intuitive. :-)
[04:51] <speel> mackid, deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty multiverse
[04:51] <mackid_> oh look at me, i'm over here too.. i forgot about this terminal.. lol
[04:51] <lamont> lagcisco: not from the official repository
[04:51] <Dull404> lagcisco, you need xorg ;-)
[04:52] <speel> lagcisco, technicly you can but its a real pain .. the next release hoary is coming out with xorg
[04:52] <speel> why do you need xorg?
[04:52] <lagcisco> i just need a GUI
[04:52] <gratuit> lagcisco: I think they are saying that warty still uses xfree86
[04:52] <lagcisco> to work!
[04:52] <mackid> speel: i'm in hoary, can i use multiverse?
[04:52] <rkn> no xemacs!
[04:52] <lamont> mackid: sure
[04:52] <speel> yea
[04:52] <lamont> just say hoary instead of warty. :-)
[04:52] <lagcisco> so i installed the old ubuntu?
[04:52] <lagcisco> warty
[04:52] <mackid> i figured, ok
[04:52] <lagcisco> is hoary stable?
[04:52] <speel> no
[04:53] <DarthFrog> speel: xorg is politically correct nowadays.
[04:53] <lamont> lagcisco: cat /etc/issue...
[04:53] <lamont> if it says 4.10, you got warty
[04:53] <DarthFrog> lagcisco: Hoary is in release candidtate stage.
[04:53] <lagcisco> hmm so i guess ubuntu is not suitable for a stable desktop right now?
[04:53] <lamont> 5.04 --> hoary
[04:53] <speel> DarthFrog, xfree86 and xorg are 2 diffrent things that serve up X server :P
[04:53] <lagcisco> i got warty 4.10
[04:53] <DarthFrog> speel: I'm well aware of what each one is. :-)
[04:53] <tritium> lagcisco, sure it is.  Warty is stable
[04:54] <lamont> DarthFrog: hoary is in a freeze, the RC will come in a couple weeks...
[04:54] <lagcisco> tritium: but its really old right?
[04:54] <tritium> lagcisco, less than 6 months
[04:54] <arifaman> hi
[04:54] <speel> lagcisco, so you have no gui?
[04:54] <lagcisco> no gui right now
[04:54] <lagcisco> just cli
[04:54] <lamont> lagcisco: warty released in oct of 2004
[04:54] <lamont> hoary releases in april of 2005
[04:54] <speel> what happens when you typed startx ?
[04:54] <lagcisco> but warty is still using xfree86
[04:54] <lamont> hoary preview was last week
[04:54] <lagcisco> startx doesnt work
[04:55] <DarthFrog> lamont: With the release of hoary CD images, I figured that RC was a reasonable enough designation.
[04:55] <gratuit> lagcisco: unless you know of a feature you need that has been integrated into xorg since the branch, my bet is that the version of xfree86 will suit your needs
[04:55] <speel> what about gdm
[04:55] <lamont> DarthFrog: "hoary CD" images have not been release
[04:55] <lamont> d
[04:55] <lagcisco> gratuit: i was just expecting ubuntu to be a bit more 'up-to-date'
[04:55] <DarthFrog> lamont: Perhaps gamma would be a better term?
[04:55] <lamont> hoary _PREVIEW_ CD'images have been released
[04:55] <mackid> lamont: yes they have.. i downloaded a CD image.. oh, i see
[04:55] <lamont> and array 7 is due shortly
[04:55] <tritium> lagcisco, you interrupted the install?  Perhaps you broke the install, and didn't permit xfree86 to be installed
[04:56] <DarthFrog> lamont: OK, so I was calling preview a release candidate. :-)
[04:56] <lamont> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule
[04:56] <lagcisco> tritium: i did interupt it
[04:56] <tritium> lagcisco, that's probably why you have no X
[04:56] <lagcisco> startx doesnt work right now
[04:56] <lamont> release candidate is scheduled for march 30th or so
[04:56] <lagcisco> how can i configure it?
[04:56] <lamont> lagcisco: but to answer your question, it's pretty dang stable
[04:56] <jsgotangco> eh thats nice
[04:57] <jsgotangco> it is
[04:57] <speel> lagcisco, hmm you might beable to get everything via apt-get i dont know what packages maybe some in here might know
[04:57] <DarthFrog> W00t!  KStars is now in Kubuntu! :-)
[04:57] <mackid> i've been running the hoary preview for 2 days and it's been rock hard stable.. *shrug*
[04:57] <lamont> lagcisco: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[04:57] <jsgotangco> I've been in hoary for 3 weeks
[04:57] <lamont> may give you some joy
[04:57] <niterider> what would cause my mouse and cursor to act erratically, sometimes it freezes till i click a button...other times my cursor skips around my screen, it's intermittent...any ideas or help..or is this an Ubuntu thing?
[04:57] <jsgotangco> its all just good for me
[04:57] <lagcisco> i just wanted to try ubuntu because it seemed like an up-to-date debian for desktop-oriented use
[04:57] <tritium> lagcisco, it is
[04:57] <mackid> it's niice.
[04:57] <jsgotangco> ubuntu isn't desktop centric
[04:58] <speel> what lol
[04:58] <hone> it runs fine on my alptop
[04:58] <hone> I'm on warty though
[04:58] <jsgotangco> but it makes a damn good desktop
[04:58] <lamont> lagcisco: the HoaryReleaseSchedule pretty much repeats every 6 months, only with a different name...
[04:58] <hone> figured I'd wait it out until all the bugs are sorted through on hoary
[04:58] <hone> I can't wait until the 6th
[04:58] <speel> hone, same here
[04:58] <hone> speel: :)
[04:58] <hone> though I am running some stuff from hoary
[04:58] <speel> then hopefully we can all successfully upgrade via apt-get
[04:58] <tritium> lagcisco, can you run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86"?
[04:59] <hone> like I d/led the 2.6.10 source and compiled, works like a charm
[04:59] <jsgotangco> we will be sucking the servers
[04:59] <jsgotangco> heheh
[04:59] <speel> yea lol
[04:59] <lagcisco> tritium: just did, startx didnt work after it finished
[04:59] <regeya_> going back to a comment speel made a while ago: yeah, there's some nice dbus-hal stuff going on in kubuntu, but heh, as usual, it's been relegated to ioslaves which means that it works kinda the way you want but not really, but in a way it's okay. :-)  but it'd be nice if I could plug in my camera and, much as with gnome, fire up digikam and import some pics
[04:59] <speel> yea
[04:59] <mackid> lamont, i added multiverse and i still can't get libdvdcss2.. do i have the name right?
[05:00] <mackid> Package libdvdcss2 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[05:00] <mackid> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[05:00] <mackid> is only available from another source
[05:00] <lamont> mackid: yes
[05:00] <jsgotangco> libdvdcss2 is in marillat
[05:00] <jsgotangco> for warty that is
[05:00] <lamont> then you have to apt-get update, or tell synaptic/aptitude to update
[05:00] <mackid> i'm in hoary
[05:00] <mackid> i did apt-get update.
[05:00] <speel> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main
[05:00] <speel> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[05:00] <speel> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main
[05:00] <tritium> mackid, you need to add another repo
[05:00] <jsgotangco> its in marillat
[05:00] <jsgotangco> but dvds in hoary is pretty bad at the moment
[05:01] <mackid> jsgotangco, do you mean they don't work?  :P
[05:01] <tritium> xine and gxine work fine for me in Hoary
[05:01] <lagcisco> this isnt working :(
[05:01] <cocol> where i can find firefox 1.0.1?
[05:01] <lamont> jsgotangco: they play for me....
[05:01] <hone> is 1.0.1 in hoary?
[05:01] <tritium> lagcisco, perhaps you should reinstall, and not interrupt.  Who knows what state you left things in.
[05:01] <mackid> so i should add debian-marillat?  that works for hoary?
[05:02] <tritium> mackid, yes
[05:02] <mackid> okay.
[05:02] <lamont> interrupted installs make life, um, interesting...  boring is much better.. :-(
[05:03] <lagcisco> how bad is hoary? i'd like to have a more up to date distro
[05:03] <cocol> is there already FF-1.0.1 for hoary?
[05:03] <tritium> lagcisco, I would not use the word "bad" with Hoary at all
[05:03] <cocol> hoary..is ok!!!!
[05:03] <lagcisco> maybe i'll just download hoary then
[05:04] <lagcisco> are updates being made frequently?
[05:04] <cocol> dist-upgrade it
[05:04] <lagcisco> either that or go back to gentoo
[05:04] <speel> well i personally put it this way warty is a rock sitting on a flat table and hoary is a rock on top of a hill
[05:05] <lagcisco> want to use linux on my desktop, tired of windows xp breaking for some completely unknown reason, i need this as a web development machine.. need to run eclipse, tons of java, ruby, mysql, etc..
[05:05] <tritium> lagcisco, given that you interrupted the install, I'd recommend installing Hoary preview from scratch, rather than dist-upgrading
[05:05] <lagcisco> hows java support? are there packages? what about eclipse?
[05:05] <hone> lagcisco: I just d/led the zip file
[05:06] <hone> lagcisco: unzipped to /opt/
[05:06] <rkn> lagcisco: java is non-free
[05:06] <hone> lagcisco: as for java support, same as dep
[05:06] <lagcisco> hone:  for java?
[05:06] <zenrox> lagcisco, java = cross platform
[05:06] <hone> lagcisco: so just d/led java-package compiled my own
[05:06] <hone> lagcisco: no for eclipse
[05:06] <lagcisco> oh ok
[05:06] <Dethread> eclipse rocks
[05:06] <Dethread> get 3.1
[05:07] <lagcisco> my ide of choice is intellij idea but my new gig requires use of eclipse so i might as well use it at home
[05:07] <rkn> could be worse
[05:07] <lagcisco> Dethread: ever tried to use WTP?
[05:07] <Dethread> no
[05:07] <rkn> luckily I can use xemacs at work
[05:07] <lagcisco> couldnt figure out how to get WTP to start tomcat
[05:07] <lagcisco> rkn: for java development?
[05:07] <rkn> lagcisco: now and then
[05:08] <lagcisco> idea has spoiled me so bad, too bad i cant use it at work
[05:08] <speel> speedy2782, lol back for more?
[05:08] <speedy2782> how do I prevent the windows from maximizing above the top menu
[05:08] <lagcisco> well gonna go download hoary then, i'll be back tomorrow
[05:08] <speedy2782> always back for more baby! alway!
[05:08] <speel> lol
[05:08] <rkn> coLinux is a lifesaver at work (user mode linux runs as a service)
[05:08] <speedy2782> I got my wifi working like a charm
[05:08] <hypa7ia> (re-asking this due to lack of replies) hey, does anyone else think that the colour assigned to highlited menu options in hoary is kinda... to pale?
[05:08] <speedy2782> or a swiss watch- whatever you prefer
[05:09] <ian__> speedy2782: they should never maximize above top bar.  do you mean fullscreen mode?
[05:09] <BiteMeBill> hypa7ia: depends on your theme.
[05:09] <speedy2782> no, when I maximize it covers the top menu
[05:09] <speedy2782> and the bottom
[05:09] <speel> odd
[05:09] <speedy2782> word
[05:09] <hypa7ia> BiteMeBill: it's the default one :-/
[05:09] <speedy2782> but it is speedy
[05:09] <speedy2782> everything I go through with linux gets "odd"
[05:09] <speel> lol
[05:09] <speedy2782> it took me four days to config wifi
[05:10] <speedy2782> this will take the rest of the night is my guess
[05:10] <speedy2782> any ideas on how to get it to stop
[05:10] <gratuit> speedy2782: ever consider a name change?
[05:10] <speedy2782> cause I am "slow:
[05:10] <BiteMeBill> hypa7ia: whats the default theme?  Mine imported most of the setting I had from warty.
[05:11] <hypa7ia> BiteMeBill: it's the "human" theme
[05:11] <hypa7ia> same as in warty... cept for this change
[05:11] <BiteMeBill> hypa7ia: Oh the browns.  LOL
[05:11] <hypa7ia> i mean, i know i can change the theme, but it's problematic as the default
[05:11] <ironwolf> did firewire break in latest hoary kernel? or update?  If not, is it named differently than /dev/sda1 ... etc. ?
[05:11] <hypa7ia> lol, yeah, i like them actually :-)
[05:12] <rkn> So much for ubuntu Just Working.  gnome went nuts afterI installed gconf.
[05:12] <mackid> ok, i installed libdvdcss2, and gxine.  FBI warning, then menu, but the menu is all distorted
[05:12] <mackid> the video is.. sound seems to work, ok, though
[05:12] <gratuit> is there a bot that answers questions in here?
[05:12] <BiteMeBill> hypa7ia: I thought the 'Lush' theme is pretty nice.
[05:12] <Dethread> no
[05:12] <mackid> can anyone help me get this to work?
[05:12] <ian__> speedy2782: are you using metacity as a windowmanager?
[05:12] <hone> mackid: try xine-ui?
[05:13] <hypa7ia> oh weird.... BiteMeBill: i just changed out of human and back to it... and i have my selection colours back
[05:13] <BiteMeBill> hypa7ia: Did you happen to custom your old one?
[05:13] <SiRrUs> good evening fellows
[05:13] <BiteMeBill> Evening SiRrUs
[05:13] <mackid> hone: i get a bunch of libmpeg2: stream not demultiplexed ? in the terminal where i opened it
[05:14] <rkn> Well, this silly thing doesn't seem to be any better than debian/testing.
[05:14] <hone> mackid: hmm
[05:14] <hone> mackid: seen that error before
[05:14] <mackid> hone: have you?  how do i fix it?
[05:14] <hypa7ia> BiteMeBill: not at all
[05:14] <SiRrUs> rkn what are you using?
[05:14] <hone> mackid: trying to remember hold on
[05:14] <mackid> hone: ok
[05:14] <hone> mackid: you try xine-ui?
[05:14] <speedy2782> How do I play .wmv in ubuntu?
[05:14] <hone> mackid: I assume it's hte same
[05:15] <BiteMeBill> hypa7ia: hmm no idea..  But atleast you got them back right?
[05:15] <ian__> speedy2782: see my Q?
[05:15] <speel> speedy2782, well the way i got wmv to work was i downloaded gxine
[05:15] <msh_> speedy2782: speedy2782
[05:15] <speedy2782> I am not sure
[05:15] <mackid> hone: yeah
[05:15] <msh_> sudo apt-get w32codecs
[05:15] <mackid> hone: join #flood
[05:16] <gobeavs> with BASH scripting, does anyone know the command to only output a certain field of a file?
[05:16] <gobeavs> It might be with grep
[05:16] <speel> then w32 codecs dident work for me
[05:16] <ian__> speedy2782: ps -A | grep metacity
[05:16] <gobeavs> like with the fstab, only the 2nd column?
[05:16] <msh_> wprks fine for me
[05:16] <msh_> i just open it up in totem
[05:16] <HrdwrBoB> gobeavs: awk '{print $2}'
[05:16] <HrdwrBoB> for example
[05:17] <speedy2782> gobeavs...as in OSU beavers?
[05:17] <gobeavs> yep
[05:17] <gobeavs> go beavs :D
[05:17] <speedy2782> OREGONSTATE IN THE HOUSE!!
[05:17] <speedy2782> Current or Alum?
[05:17] <gobeavs> ok hrdwrBob..thx for the help...gonna try that
[05:17] <gobeavs> lol
[05:17] <gobeavs> neither
[05:17] <speel> hey are there any developers in here of any projects?
[05:17] <gobeavs> sorry :(
[05:17] <speedy2782> oh,
[05:17] <speedy2782> tits ok
[05:17] <gobeavs> my dad went there though
[05:17] <gobeavs> you?
[05:17] <ian__> speel: any projects at all..? :)
[05:17] <speel> any
[05:17] <ian__> yes...
[05:17] <speedy2782> super sr. or as I put it "2nd half of my sr. year"
[05:18] <hone> mackid: I have no idea
[05:18] <hone> mackid: checking google
[05:18] <speel> like what if you dont mind me asking
[05:18] <ian__> http://linuxadvocate.org/projects/
[05:18] <mackid> hone: join flood, i got an interesting error
[05:18] <mackid> #flood, that is
[05:19] <speel> whoa thats some sweet stuff
[05:19] <speedy2782> ian_: is this ps -A | grep metacity for my windows maximizing problem?
[05:19] <ian__> speedy2782: yes to figure out whether you are using metacity or not
[05:19] <gobeavs> speedy: cool....ya, its on my list of possible colleges...I want to go into engineering or CS
[05:20] <ian__> speel: why do you ask?
[05:20] <speedy2782> root@laptop:/home/benjamin # ps -A | grep metacity 17282 ?        00:00:28 metacity
[05:20] <speedy2782> still won't play .wmv
[05:20] <speedy2782> what next
[05:20] <mbjones> I upgraded from Fedora Core 3 to Ubuntu 5, and I had /home as a separate partition. During bootup I am getting an error, saying that the ext3 filesystem has unsupported features, and to upgrade e2fsck. Can anyone help me?
[05:20] <speel> well beacause i never talked to any one who developed anything =p and id like to dip my fingers in some programming
[05:21] <ian__> speel: perhaps you just didn't know you were talking to developers ;)
[05:21] <speedy2782> after dl codecs what step do I take
[05:21] <speel> most likely
[05:21] <speel> lol
[05:21] <gobeavs> does anyone know of an app that can convert files from .mp3 to .wav? More than one at a time though
[05:21] <aule> i am dumb, so i forgot, what prog do i use to get programs?
[05:21] <gobeavs> I have a lot to convert
[05:21] <gobeavs> apt-get
[05:21] <gobeavs> or synaptic
[05:21] <ian__> speel: this room probably has at least 50 :)
[05:22] <aule> where can i find it
[05:22] <jsgotangco> hmm
[05:22] <jsgotangco> hehe
[05:22] <tritium> aule, yuo may prefer synaptic, since it has a GUI
[05:22] <speel> lol they must be afk or somthing
[05:22] <gobeavs> system>administration
[05:22] <tritium> aule, are you using Hoary?
[05:22] <gobeavs> aule: Sorry, thats in Hoary, dont know about warty
[05:22] <aule> no trit, im warty
[05:22] <speel> what language did you program thoes programs in?
[05:22] <ian__> aule: Computer / System Configuration / Synaptic
[05:22] <mbjones> I upgraded from Fedora Core 3 to Ubuntu 5, and I had /home as a separate partition. During bootup I am getting an error, saying that the ext3 filesystem has unsupported features, and to upgrade e2fsck. Can anyone help me?
[05:23] <ian__> speel: C
[05:23] <aule> ty ian__
[05:23] <mackid> mbjones, you just said that 3 minutes ago
[05:23] <mbjones> mackid, I'm well aware
[05:23] <mbjones> I also need my /home directory to do _anything_
[05:23] <speedy2782> So, What do I need to do to get .wmv to play. xzine?
[05:23] <jamin_> Do you need YaBoot to go into ubuntu from osx?
[05:23] <mackid> mbjones, you should wait longer before repeating yourself
[05:23] <speel> ah C :D i baught 2 beginner books to C and they have just been collecting dust
[05:24] <mbjones> mackid, ok, thanks for the lecture
[05:24] <jsgotangco> lol i forgot i still have backports in this machine
[05:24] <ian__> speel: you need a project to motivate you
[05:24] <jsgotangco> i gotta fix that
[05:24] <cybermagellan> Could anyone educate me on how to install the NVIDIA Drivers?
[05:24] <speedy2782> speel: a good project is taking me under your wing and catching me up to your speed
[05:25] <speel> lol
[05:25] <speedy2782> so, are you up for a challenge
[05:25] <speedy2782> .wmv on ubuntu
[05:25] <speedy2782> yeah baby!
[05:25] <jsgotangco> hehe
[05:26] <jsgotangco> is it worth it?
[05:26] <ian__> porn is the great motivator
[05:26] <gobeavs> .wmv on ubuntu...mplayer works wonders
[05:26] <jsgotangco> doesnt linspire have legal codecs for that
[05:26] <Ad|Astra> xine might work as well
[05:26] <Ad|Astra> or gxine
[05:26] <BiteMeBill> .wmv plays fine in xine here.
[05:26] <jsgotangco> ubuntu-calendar is a great motivator
[05:26] <ells> is anyone having any issues with xmms
[05:26] <tyler> Has anyone got 32codecs working with hoary?
[05:27] <speel> nope what whats wrong ells?
[05:27] <SiRrUs> yep
[05:27] <speedy2782> I havent
[05:27] <tritium> cybermagellan, sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx, and after that, sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[05:27] <ells> it wont literally play.
[05:27] <tritium> .wmv plays fine here too
[05:27] <jsgotangco> ells: hoary?
[05:27] <ells> speel: it locks up when a file is clicked to play
[05:27] <SiRrUs> tyler yes
[05:27] <tyler> What was your secret Sirus?
[05:27] <ells> tritium: mike what is up. jsgotangco: hoary
[05:27] <tritium> ells, hola
[05:27] <jsgotangco> ells: change output from oss to esound
[05:28] <speel> ells, well run xmms from a terminal and when it locks up check the srror it says in the term
[05:28] <ells> tritium: you too, projects all finish
[05:28] <SiRrUs> no secret just installed it it worked fine
[05:28] <ells> speel, no error, just locks up
[05:28] <ells> jsogotangco, how so
[05:28] <tritium> ells, congrats.  No progress on my research/dissertation here ;)
[05:28] <cowbud> ells: did you look at what your output plugin is set to?
[05:28] <jsgotangco> ells: options->preferences
[05:28] <jsgotangco> output sound: esound
[05:28] <ells> tritium: mike you will get it done
[05:28] <jsgotangco> xmms locks up with oss
[05:28] <ells> jsgotangco: cool
[05:29] <tritium> ells, thanks
[05:29] <ian__> anyone get APM setup on a T23 or similar laptop?
[05:29] <ells> tritium: yeap no problem
[05:29] <aule> where is the best place to find ubuntu binarys for download?
[05:29] <tritium> ian__, is that too old to use acpi with?
[05:29] <ian__> tritium: yeah
[05:29] <tritium> aule, easiest way is to setup the ubuntu repositories, and just use synaptic or apt
[05:30] <zukeft> anybody willing to dedicate a bit of time to help me with GRUB?
[05:30] <ells> jsgotangco; in xmms or on ubuntu prefs
[05:30] <aule> tritium: there is not alot there
[05:30] <tyler> OH, well wehere did you find the codecs?
[05:30] <jgotangco_lunch> ells: in xmms
[05:30] <tritium> aule, this is a good guide for you: http://ubuntuguide.org/.  You should look at the extra repositories section.
[05:30] <ells> jsgotangco; cool, got it
[05:30] <tyler> sorry, SiRuS where did you dind the codecs
[05:31] <SiRrUs> tyler you using hoary or warty?
[05:31] <ells> jgotangco_lunch, still locks up
[05:31] <tyler> What's up zukeft?
[05:31] <jgotangco_lunch> hrmmm
[05:31] <tyler> HSiRus, hoary
[05:31] <tyler> Just upgraded
[05:31] <ells> jgotangco_lunch, trying to play mp4 and have all plugins I think
[05:31] <SiRrUs> then just uodate your repositories
[05:31] <zukeft> well... i just installed Ubuntu (i'm a total amateur when it comes to Linux)
[05:31] <tyler> OKay, I'll try again
[05:32] <tyler> zukeft, check out www.ubuntuguide.org
[05:32] <jgotangco_lunch> ells: i have no idea then whats wrong, most people got to fix their xmms by changing the output to esound
[05:32] <SiRrUs> synaptic manager >>> settings>>>repositories
[05:32] <tyler> There is a section on GRUB] 
[05:32] <zukeft> ok, thanks =] 
[05:32] <jgotangco_lunch> ells: thats in hoary
[05:32] <jgotangco_lunch> ill brb
[05:32] <ells> jgotangco_lunch, I am special
[05:32] <jgotangco_lunch> lol
[05:32] <tyler> np
[05:33] <tyler> SiRuS, which reposititory should I have?
[05:33] <tyler> wait, I'm an idiot, they are right here'
[05:34] <SiRrUs> :)
[05:34] <tyler> I was reading something about legal issues so I thought they had to remove it from their repositores'
[05:34] <ells> xmms for me is not very good
[05:34] <ells> it has such an issue for me playing mp3, and mp4
[05:35] <speedy2782> Ian_: That was easy
[05:35] <speedy2782> why don't people remind newbs earlier of that stuff
[05:35] <SiRrUs> ells did you add all the plugins
[05:35] <aule> whats a good paste site?
[05:35] <ells> SiRrUs, fairly certain
[05:35] <tyler> Oo, XMMS has plugins?
[05:35] <speedy2782> SiRrUs: how do you install .wmv
[05:35] <speel> aule, pastebin
[05:35] <tyler> yeah, I wondered that
[05:36] <keyhack> I upgraded Linux, my /home partition was a separate partition. Now during bootup, it complains that my /home partition's ext3 has unsupported features, and to upgrade e2fsck. What can I do about this?
[05:36] <tyler> can't play .wmvs either
[05:36] <ells> anyone know of another xmms type program to use
[05:36] <aule> ty speel
[05:36] <SiRrUs> w32codecs will play wmvs
[05:36] <tyler> oh cool
[05:36] <speedy2782> I downloaded those
[05:36] <tyler>  Their just installing now
[05:36] <ironwolf> what do I modprobe in 2.6.10-27 on hoary to see a firewire/ieee1394 hard drive?
[05:37] <speel> aule, np
[05:37] <DarthFrog> ironwolf: It should be auto-detected.
[05:38] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> how do i mount a .iso file
[05:38] <ironwolf> DarthFrog: I know it *should* but inotify and dnotify are off in 2.6.10-27 and it's not  If you have one mounted and you msg me your lsmod ?
[05:38] <tyler> Do I need to restart after the codecs have installed?
[05:38] <SiRrUs> tyler shouldnt need to
[05:38] <speel> tyler, you never have to restart when installing software on linux :P only when you recompile a kernel but thats it
[05:39] <tyler> Mm, okay. Strange, still cant play my mp3 in totem. It launches and then promptly closes diwn
[05:40] <aule> um, i cannot set my homepage in firefox
[05:40] <aule> why?
[05:40] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> how do i mount a .iso file
[05:40] <aule> [CX] -sw0rdsavy: u need to burn image
[05:40] <unifi> I dont think you can mount an iso
[05:40] <unperson> I was looking over something I wrote about Ubuntu, and I'm wondering, besides the default package set, what do you see as the big differences between runnign Ubuntu and Debian testing?
[05:40] <tyler> you can mount it using the nautilus brun prog
[05:40] <tritium> you can mount an iso
[05:41] <ells> tritium: hey mike I uninstalled to install xmms, it wont play even mp3
[05:41] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> there is a way
[05:41] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> i cant figure out the way
[05:41] <hone> tritium: something like mount -t iso9660
[05:41] <evilmegaman> Hi. Do the ATI drivers work well with hoary preview release?
[05:41] <tyler> I think I saw something to that effect while i was fiddlign the other day. Lett me check
[05:42] <speel> unperson, well running ubuntu seems smoother and MUCH easyer to install
[05:42] <tritium> hone, [CX] -sw0rdsavy: yeah, something like that.
[05:42] <meldroc> nvidia problems again.  I got the new nvidia drivers working last night 7167 I think, but after I rebooted, it stopped working.  How do I fix this?
[05:42] <tyler> I wish ubuntu used XfCe
[05:42] <tritium> ells, strange...
[05:42] <crimsun> tyler: there's a u-u thread on it
[05:42] <ells> tritium: tell me bout it
[05:42] <unperson> speel, Yeah, well, ok, the installer is also clearly different.
[05:43] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy>  sudo mount -o loop -t iso9660 Uplink01.iso /mnt/tmp
[05:43] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> mount: could not find any device /dev/loop#
[05:43] <tyler> crimsum, whats u-u?
[05:43] <meldroc> be back in a minute...
[05:43] <tritium> [CX] -sw0rdsavy, you don't need the -t iso9660
[05:43] <tritium> just -o loop
[05:43] <speel> gnite everyone
[05:43] <unperson> tyler, Is there a reason one can't easily just install it with apt-get?
[05:44] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> still no could not find any device /dev/loop#
[05:44] <ells> tritium; when I click play the play symbol appears but it does not start the music
[05:44] <unperson> Ok, so any other big differences between Ubuntu and debian testing besides the installer and default package settings?
[05:44] <tritium> [CX] -sw0rdsavy, can you modprobe loop?
[05:44] <tyler> I don't knowunperson, REally? that would be awesome, is it there
[05:44] <tyler> ?
[05:44] <tyler> Wow, it is!
[05:44] <ells> tritium totem, will play my mp3 if they are double clicked
[05:45] <evilmegaman> does Hoary work good with the ATI drivers?
[05:45] <tyler> I really should browse synaptic ore often
[05:45] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> i did it with no errors
[05:45] <ells> tritium: mike, xmms wont
[05:45] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> ah ha
[05:45] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> thank you tritium
[05:45] <tritium> ells, I haven't used xmms in a long time.  Do you have your output plugin setup correctly?
[05:45] <tritium> [CX] -sw0rdsavy, did that fix it for you?
[05:45] <ells> tritium: I think so, how can I check for certain
[05:46] <ells> tritium: what plays your music
[05:46] <crimsun> tyler: ubuntu-user mailing list
[05:46] <evilmegaman> *cough* does anyone know? about the ati drivers?
[05:46] <tritium> ells, I use rhythmbox
[05:46] <aule> how can i add my user to the group that allows me to use su -
[05:46] <ells> tritium: maybe I will try that
[05:46] <trans_err> evilmegaman: try the wiki-- search for the binary howto
[05:46] <crimsun> evilmegaman: yes, it does. Why?
[05:46] <tyler> OO, okay, How do I sign up?
[05:46] <ironwolf> aule: will sudo -s not work?
[05:46] <tyler> I wait I think I can figure that out :)
[05:46] <tritium> aule, sudo visudo
[05:46] <trans_err> tritium and ells: give amarok a try
[05:46] <crimsun> aule: use sudo instead.
[05:47] <danko123456> Hui.
[05:47] <tyler> you get a addicted to questions in here'
[05:47] <tritium> trans_err, no thanks
[05:47] <evilmegaman> I have an ati. And I need a good linux that isn't fedora :) Ubuntu sounds good
[05:47] <ells> trans_err amarok okay
[05:47] <evilmegaman> Thanks :)
[05:47] <tyler> Ubuntu is excellent
[05:47] <aule> crimsun: and everyone else: i am not a retard, and i can handle accessing my root every once and a while, and i would like to do that by su -
[05:47] <danko123456> I have a question somewhat unrelate to Ubuntu, but I think you will still likely know the answer.
[05:47] <tyler> well, it has its problems but in terms of usability from a very non-linux person I think its excellent. ANd i've learnt more about linux using ubuntu than any other distro
[05:47] <crimsun> aule: then set a root password using sudo -s, like ironwolf asked.
[05:47] <HrdwrBoB> aule: sudo is a better way to do it
[05:47] <unperson> evilmegaman, Did you check the ubuntu forums?
[05:47] <tritium> trans_err, I don't want to install KDE just for a music app, especially when I have one that works
[05:48] <clparker> I have no 3d acceleration, ATI card, Hoary Preview, Stuck, please help.
[05:48] <evilmegaman> No, unperson. I just wanted to know if they worked :)
[05:48] <DarthFrog> aule: Then all you have to do is open up a root terminal and give root a password.
[05:48] <clparker> *
[05:48] <aule> ty darthfrog
[05:48] <aule> thatone worked best
[05:48] <aule> :p
[05:48] <evilmegaman> unperson, I just happened to be on irc and said what the heck
[05:48] <evilmegaman> :)
[05:48] <danko123456> I was here quite a few weeks ago, and I found out about some website where you paste in your text, instead of putting a long question to the chatroom...
[05:48] <aule> um, any help on the setting homepage prob i had?
[05:48] <danko123456> I wanna know what its called...
[05:48] <meldroc> ha!  got nvidia 7167 working again!  reinstalled and things worked.  why would it stop working after a reboot?
[05:48] <DarthFrog> aule: you're welcome.
[05:48] <aule> pastebin.com
[05:49] <danko123456> right, thanks a lot.
[05:49] <aule> np
[05:49] <danko123456> Aule!!
[05:49] <clparker> ATI drivers, in Hoary no Good?
[05:49] <unperson> evilmegaman, Yeah, I don't have ATI.  But there's a good bet you can find out all about it on the forums.
[05:49] <aule> um, i know you from solidirc?
[05:49] <danko123456> Me?
[05:49] <aule> ya, or were you just completing your thankyou?
[05:49] <crimsun> meldroc: did you run update && upgrade at all yesterday?
[05:49] <danko123456> I just said thanks, Aule!!
[05:49] <aule> ok
[05:49] <aule> np
[05:49] <danko123456> yeah
[05:50] <ironwolf> crimsun: do you happen to know what I need to modprobe in hoary 2.6.10-27 to see the ieee1394 hard drive that worked just before the upgrade?
[05:50] <crimsun> meldroc: you _really_ ought to install apt-listchanges
[05:50] <meldroc> trying to think.  i installed lots of new stuff like foobillard & such, I don't think I installed anything directly X, nvidia or kernel related
[05:50] <clparker> ATI 9600 and no 3d acceleration
[05:50] <tritium> ironwolf, try ieee1394
[05:50] <meldroc> crimsun - what does apt-listchanges do?
[05:50] <crimsun> meldroc: an update of linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r) went in yesterday
[05:51] <crimsun> meldroc: it lists changes to updated packages before they're installed
[05:51] <meldroc> that might explain things...
[05:51] <crimsun> meldroc: same recommendation for apt-listbugs
[05:51] <meldroc> welll, no harm done, i reinstalled & my system's happy again for the moment.
[05:51] <unperson> evilmegaman, See for example http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3567
[05:51] <tritium> crimsun, is apt-listbugs tied into bugzilla now?
[05:52] <tritium> (it wasn't previously)
[05:52] <crimsun> ironwolf: besides 'ieee1394'?
[05:52] <ironwolf> tritium: that didn't work.  It sees the ipod I have, but can't see anything off the ieee1394 ports.
[05:52] <ironwolf> crimsun: yes please. *PLEASE* *thank you*
[05:53] <tritium> ironwolf, not sure.  I have no ieee1394 devices
[05:53] <ironwolf> tritium: sorry, ipod is on USB, hard drive is on ieee1394
[05:53] <ells> trans_err,how do you config amarok
[05:54] <bdb> anyone:  i've been using suse for a while now.  Im looking for something else.  what make ubuntu cool?
[05:54] <danko123456> It works.
[05:54] <danko123456> :))
[05:54] <ironwolf> crimsun: how to I lsusb for the ieee1394 bus? or how do I find what device it is now? Maybe that's the right question.
[05:55] <bdb> good enough
[05:55] <danko123456> I mean...
[05:55] <danko123456> Dont take my word for it...
[05:55] <danko123456> This is the first Linux I used.
[05:55] <ironwolf> bdb: it "just works" mostly. :) but it's getting better all the time.
[05:55] <britt_radiofree> any spanish/english keyboard users around?
[05:55] <bdb> ironwolf: its a version of debian right?
[05:56] <greenfly> jdub: sorry I missed you. if you are around, I'd like to hear more about the UnionFS-like functionality in the ubuntu live cd
[05:56] <ironwolf> bdb: it's based on Debian, but it's a whole different animal.
[05:56] <danko123456> its a hedgehog
[05:56] <danko123456> :))
[05:56] <bdb> ironwolf: how so?
[05:56] <bdb> danko: hedgehog?
[05:56] <ironwolf> bdb: best thing I can tell you is to download the live CD and give it a whirl.
[05:56] <speedy2782> alright
[05:56] <speedy2782> I got the videos
[05:56] <speedy2782> but the sound is choppy
[05:57] <crimsun> tritium: I don't know offhand and haven't checked closely, but it does show bugs open in Ubuntu packages.
[05:57] <ironwolf> bdb: current development is named "hoary the hedgehog" :) So hoary is a hedgehog.
[05:57] <jdub> greenfly: we're using the device mapper to provide overlay
[05:57] <greenfly> jdub: ahh, so it's all in RAM though?
[05:57] <jdub> yes
[05:57] <bdb> bdb:  Ihave been wondering what hoary is.... :)
[05:57] <crimsun> ironwolf: was that module sufficient, or do you still need additional information?
[05:57] <tritium> crimsun, good to know.  Thanks
[05:57] <greenfly> jdub: how does it manage persistence?
[05:57] <ironwolf> crimsun: that module didn't do it.  I need more information.
[05:57] <danko123456> haha
[05:57] <jdub> it doesn't atm, but can be targeted to another block device
[05:58] <danko123456> I just said that cause he said its a whole diff animal.
[05:58] <bdb> ironwolf: : I have been wondering what hoary is.... :)  wups
[05:58] <speedy2782> alright
[05:58] <jdub> greenfly: mdz came up with casper, our new multi-arch livecd platform, and the device mapper overlay solution
[05:58] <bdb> danko: what kind of animal is debian?
[05:58] <greenfly> jdub: interesting... thanks for the info. Last I heard it was based from Morphix, but I also heard that changed recently
[05:58] <bdb> :)
[05:58] <ironwolf> bdb: hoary is current development/preview version of Ubuntu a Debian based distro. :)
[05:58] <jdub> greenfly: significantly different, yes
[05:58] <danko123456> Read their statement.
[05:59] <speedy2782> how do I get hoary and .wmv to work together
[05:59] <danko123456> I dont know...
[05:59] <mdz> greenfly: the Warty live CD was based on Morphix; the Hoary live CD is an original work
[05:59] <danko123456> A sarge anuimal?
[05:59] <kart_> hi:all: is hoary is installble
[05:59] <speedy2782> I dl codecs and the xine player
[05:59] <greenfly> mdz: from scratch or based on?
[05:59] <ironwolf> sarge isn't an animal. :)
[05:59] <danko123456> You can find their statement of intent.
[05:59] <mdz> greenfly: "original" :-)
[05:59] <bdb> ironwolf:  I know that debian has longer release cycles.  since its dropping many of its architectures.. do you think the release cycles will be shorter?
[05:59] <danko123456> On their website...
[05:59] <ironwolf> kart_: there are preview CD's you can download and test yes.
[05:59] <danko123456> that might tell you something.
[05:59] <danko123456> www.ubuntulinux.org
[05:59] <greenfly> heh
[06:00] <danko123456> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/
[06:00] <crimsun> ironwolf: do you have the 'ohci1394' and 'raw1394' modules loaded?
[06:00] <danko123456> there
[06:00] <ironwolf> bdb: www.ubuntu.com or www.ubuntulinux.com will help you, but Ubuntu has a release every 6 months.
[06:00] <greenfly> I've been so busy I haven't had a chance to download and try the ubuntu live CD
[06:00] <greenfly> sounds like something I should check out :)
[06:00] <kart_> ironwolf: I've downloaded it; Initially shows like it is installable !
[06:00] <kart_> ironwolf: but it's live
[06:00] <danko123456> I know ppl have Hoary installed on their computers...
[06:00] <mdz> greenfly: the Hoary cycle was spent creating the basis for it; for the next release I hope to implement some fancy features
[06:00] <danko123456> I dont know if that pertains...
[06:01] <danko123456> or how to do it for that matter.
[06:01] <bdb> all:  at my college a sorioty has shirts that say "Ubuntu"  I doubt they are talking about linux though...
[06:01] <jcsston> hi, to setup a web server and ssh server, is there anything I need to do on a Ubuntu custom install besides installing the apache and openssh packages? both services are running, but I cannot connect to them from another system on the network
[06:01] <greenfly> mdz: so you are the primary architect for it?
[06:01] <ironwolf> kart_: I installed from array-4 and it worked great, there is A) live CD and B) install CD, they are different iso's.
[06:01] <keyhack> Did anyone have problems upgrading their FC3 partitions to Ubuntu?
[06:01] <mdz> greenfly: yes
[06:01] <greenfly> mdz: is it okay if I /msg you? just something quick
[06:02] <mdz> greenfly: why /msg?  if it's about the technical aspects of the live CD design, feel free to ask on #ubuntu-devel
[06:02] <greenfly> it's not :)
[06:02] <ironwolf> crimsun: raw1394 wasn't loaded, I modprobed it, the other was loaded, still isn't finding it.
[06:02] <mdz> greenfly: er, ok?
[06:02] <danko123456> later guys.
[06:03] <bdb> thanks for your help
[06:03] <bdb> bye
[06:03] <ironwolf> crimsun: brb... need to reboot.
[06:04] <regeya_> iron....dang.
[06:04] <regeya_> I seem to remember reading directions on ubuntuforums on getting raw1394 to work.  it's not automagic...yet.
[06:04] <kart_> ironwolf: hmm OK
[06:05] <jblack> What on earth? crontab -e just brought up nano instead of vim. I feel downright insulted!
[06:05] <aule> ok, where do i look for new programs that i downloaded after i downloaded them
[06:05] <aule> ?
[06:06] <ian__> aule: with synaptic?
[06:06] <aule> yes
[06:06] <aule> they are installed and all
[06:06] <aule> i just need to find them
[06:06] <barker> good question i installed tux racer with synaptic and it is nowhere
[06:07] <ian__> programs don't show up in the menu right away for some reason
[06:07] <aule> swelly: its "somewhere"
[06:07] <aule> grr
[06:07] <tyler> Hey all, ANyone usin XfCe?
[06:07] <aule> stupid nick completer
[06:07] <aule> anyway
[06:07] <barker> reboot possibly?
[06:07] <swelly> hehe
[06:07] <aule> where would i look ian?
[06:07] <ian__> I think there's a command you can run to refresh the menu
[06:07] <ian__> barker: no no, log out/in is always enough
[06:07] <aule> anyone know that command?
[06:07] <ian__> barker: reboot = never :)
[06:07] <barker> ok ty
[06:08] <barker> anyone here have gnu backgammon?
[06:08] <Myrtti> if there is no quicklauncher for it, the best way of searching it is "run application"
[06:08] <Myrtti> or typing it to the terminal
[06:08] <Ad|Astra> aule, they're in /usr/bin
[06:08] <aule> Ad|Astra: how can i put it in main menu?
[06:08] <Myrtti> 'cause for instance, tuxracer doesn't have a quicklauncher
[06:08] <tyler> barker, how did you customize it? It seems devoid of options to change it. WHat's more I installed all the goodies and everything but it seems to only be bare minimum
[06:08] <Myrtti> aule: by making a .desktop file for it
[06:09] <Ad|Astra> aule right click on the menu and Add New item
[06:09] <aule> <- is noob, so thats a big "huh?"
[06:09] <greenfly> so "Casper" is part of the Linux kernel?
[06:09] <aule> oh
[06:09] <aule> ok
[06:09] <Ad|Astra> aule, from the menu editor
[06:09] <FR500> what menu editor
[06:09] <ironwolf> crimsun: thank you. it's working now.
[06:09] <aule> i second FR500
[06:09] <aule> what menu editor?
[06:09] <Ad|Astra> gnome or kde
[06:09] <ironwolf> crimsun: if your ever in Northern CA, I owe you a beer. :)
[06:09] <aule> gnome
[06:10] <barker> sorry tyler i haven't customized anything im here from fedora 3 and im really impressed so far with hoary
[06:10] <FR500> Ad|Astra, something i need to install
[06:10] <tyler> yeah, im using hoary, its quite good. Snaptic is beautiful.
[06:10] <tyler> but I cant access it on xFcE
[06:10] <crimsun> ironwolf: excellent :-)
[06:10] <FR500> tyler, still apt-get available
[06:10] <Ad|Astra> aule give me a sec im in kde
[06:10] <crimsun> tyler: gksudo synaptic
[06:11] <FR500> Ad|Astra, there is no menu editor in gnome
[06:11] <aule> ok
[06:11] <FR500> before i used to use nautilus applicattions:/// to edit, now doesnt work anymore
[06:11] <crimsun> FR500: right, that code was removed.
[06:11] <Myrtti> locate *.desktop
[06:11] <FR500> hmmm
[06:11] <Myrtti> find where those are hidden
[06:12] <g_> which one is a good mp3 player for ubuntu
[06:12] <FR500> g_, beep
[06:12] <g_> thank you
[06:12] <Myrtti> then go to that directory, open up a .desktop file with sudo nano, change it for the application in need, and remember to save it with a different filename
[06:12] <Myrtti> g_: rhythmbox is nice
[06:12] <Myrtti> or XMMS
[06:12] <Myrtti> XMMS, if you're used to Winamp
[06:12] <FR500> Myrtti, so the add launcher and that stuff options are unavailable now?
[06:12] <IRCDragon> Hey ppl, do you know any App that opens .CDR (Corel DRAW) files on Linux? (I'm currently using Ubuntu Hoary Preview Release)
[06:12] <crimsun> or beep-media-player or muine or wxvlc or totem or mplayer or ...
[06:12] <Myrtti> FR500: I've never found it
[06:13] <mdblitz1> is beep better then xmms?
[06:13] <FR500> g_, beep is more useable for noobs
[06:13] <Myrtti> FR500: not that I've checked recently
[06:13] <FR500> more user friendly too
[06:13] <dead|shell> aule you ready
[06:13] <dead|shell> it's Ad|Astra
[06:13] <crimsun> FR500: I don't think it has anything to do with "noobs" :-)
[06:13] <WW> FR500 (and anyone else): There is a thread in the forum with a python program for editing the menu in hoary.  I'm not sure where it is, but the username of the contributor is punkass.
[06:13] <hone> there's rhythmbox?
[06:13] <Myrtti> hone: sure
[06:14] <FR500> WW, thanks
[06:14] <FR500> crimsun, well......right
[06:14] <FR500> sorry
[06:14] <FR500> WW, where is the forum :p
[06:14] <Myrtti> well, the cold fact is that no newbie goes installing stuff that isn't available as an apt-package in synaptic or apt
[06:14] <hone> does anyone know how ot joi nmultiple channels on start?
[06:14] <WW> FR500: ubuntuforums.org
[06:15] <Myrtti> hone: depends on your client
[06:15] <FR500> Myrtti, beep is in apt
[06:15] <hone> Myrtti: xchat?
[06:15] <Myrtti> FR500: about that menu editor
[06:15] <FR500> ok
[06:15] <hone> brb
[06:15] <Myrtti> hone: can't help you with that, I'm on irssi
[06:15] <FR500> crimsun, any clues on why was that erased?
[06:16] <Myrtti> ok, I'm off. School starts in an hour.
[06:16] <dead|shell> aule you still here
[06:16] <aule> yes
[06:16] <aule> sorry
[06:16] <aule> i found the games folder
[06:16] <aule> :p
[06:16] <dead|shell> im in gnome now
[06:16] <aule> i was playing black box
[06:16] <barker> anyone here have no sound? I've gone the alsamixer route any ideas?
[06:16] <aule> i figured it out
[06:16] <dead|shell> what do you want to add
[06:16] <aule> im sorry
[06:16] <aule> :/
[06:16] <dead|shell> np :)
[06:16] <aule> i figured out rtclk->add to this menu
[06:16] <aule> or something like that
[06:17] <dead|shell> easy enough eh?
[06:17] <aule> ya
[06:17] <stuNNed_> is there a way to hide boot messages at boot time?
[06:17] <WW> FR500: Here it is: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=19673
[06:18] <dead|shell> barker check all the sound apps
[06:20] <kart_> hi all: I'm translating Ubuntu live CD (right now warty and after it , hoary)
[06:20] <homer2> is there any way I can prevent users from editing/removing their ~/.bash_history file
[06:20] <FR500> WW, thanks, still need a bit of work but it's nice
[06:20] <gobeavs> anyone know of a good way to convert a lot of files from mp3 to wav?
[06:21] <WW> gobeavs: Maybe sox?
[06:22] <gobeavs> WW: thx, I'll look into it
[06:23] <gobeavs> I am trying to write my own BASH script using lame, but its not going to well :-D
[06:24] <db__> anyone tell me how id install wine on 5.04 '/ .. tried using synaptic.. nothing happend
[06:24] <ian__> kart_: cool.  thank you :)  what language?
[06:24] <aule> what is the command that refreshes the desktop
[06:24] <aule> to delete blast holes
[06:24] <aule> :p
[06:25] <kart_> all:
[06:25] <zerovertex> i just installed ubuntu 5 preview on my pc (i already have it on my powerbook) but wtf is the default root pass? on my powerbook I had to drop into single user mode and reset it.
[06:25] <kart_> ian__: Gujarati Language
[06:25] <eruin> I hope this loooong kernel compile is getting me a kernel capable of setting dma on my via-connected sata drives :O
[06:25] <zerovertex> is there a easier way?
[06:25] <db__> zero
[06:25] <db__> type passwd root
[06:25] <eruin> zerovertex: there is no root pass
[06:25] <db__> or sudo passwd root
[06:25] <db__> need to add a pass
[06:26] <eruin> zerovertex: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[06:26] <ells> is there a plugin to play mp3 on ubuntu
[06:26] <db__> had same confusing
[06:26] <Brend> Hm. So when I ran apt-get dist-upgrade, an interesting message scrolled by
[06:26] <zerovertex> ah... thanks
[06:26] <db__> confusion
[06:26] <kart_> ian__: I want to know,When Hoary installable will be available..
[06:26] <Brend> It said (paraphrasing), "Warning: Your CPU does not support power saving mode"
[06:26] <gobeavs> sox is like Lame, it can do 1 at a time but not multiple at a time
[06:26] <Brend> And then it went ahead and turned it on anyway
[06:26] <Brend> Maybe that's why our server was crashing :)
[06:26] <FR500> WW, wow that editor looks fine, wonders why gnome ppl dont have that
[06:26] <eruin> kart_: seen the topic?
[06:26] <kart_> eruin: sorry
[06:27] <eruin> ;)
[06:27] <db__> wine makes me whine
[06:27] <eruin> FR500: ?
[06:27] <ells> is there a plugin to play mp3 on ubuntu
[06:27] <eruin> ells: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:28] <ells> eruin: I can the eg run and play, but no music sounds
[06:28] <ells> eq
[06:28] <db__> why dont they include mp3/mpeg support in the release '
[06:28] <gobeavs> copyright issues
[06:28] <ells> db__I thought so
[06:28] <db__> eye see
[06:28] <ells> wont play any mp3 or 4
[06:28] <ells> it did in warty
[06:29] <ells> if I double click it will play in totem
[06:29] <regeya_> I thought of a convoluted shellscript way of converting folders of mp3s to wavs, but it choked on my own collection. :-}
[06:29] <ells> not xmms, amarok, none of the other ones
[06:29] <WW> FR500: I think it's only a few days old.  punkass started that thread on March 13.
[06:29] <FR500> eruin, menu editor for gnome
[06:30] <FR500> WW, i'll mess around with it (altought i don't know programming at all)
[06:30] <eruin> the whole menu system is retarded imo
[06:30] <ells> anybody know if I will need something special to get mp3 to play
[06:30] <FR500> eruin, the tool helps anyway
[06:30] <regeya_> ells: depends on what you want for a player.  if you're using rhythmbox, you need the mad gstreamer plugin
[06:31] <ells> i will check that out
[06:31] <gobeavs> regeya - thats what I am trying to do, but having probs :(
[06:31] <db__> anyone know where i can edit the toolbars 'autohide' variables '/ ... takes too long to wait for when u put ure mouse over it.. and only hides 3/4
[06:31] <eruin> which is described http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:31] <odyssey> hi is anyone else having dvd playback issues in hoary? by issues i mean choppiness
[06:31] <gobeavs> I only need to convert about 30 songs
[06:32] <britt_radiofree> anyone know how to set a hotkey to the keyboard-switcher applet?
[06:32] <db__> there isnt a 5.04 walkthrought yet is there '/
[06:33] <db__> -t
[06:33] <zerovertex> how do I get grub to boot in single user mode?
[06:34] <geneo93> zerovertex:  i think you need autologin
[06:35] <crimsun> zerovertex: select the rescue mode
[06:35] <crimsun> zerovertex: or edit the grub command line and append "single" to the end
[06:35] <eruin> docbook stuff on kernel packaging is pissing me off
[06:35] <eruin> :P
[06:35] <aule> where can i download SNES roms?
[06:36] <FR500> aule you are gonna be banned for that
[06:36] <aule> ooh
[06:36] <aule> sorry
[06:36] <aule> it was in
[06:36] <eruin> why?
[06:36] <Anubis> does your wheel mouse scroll pages in your browsers?
[06:37] <Anubis> mine does not?
[06:37] <regeya_> I don't think this is the most efficient way to batch convert MP3s to WAV, but here goes:  ls *.mp3 | xargs -i sh -c "echo {} | sed s/.mp3//g | xargs -i% sox %.mp3 %.wav"
[06:37] <zerovertex> thanks
[06:37] <db__> WISH I COULD LISTEN TO MUSIC dfhjfbdsjaknfalndfljg
[06:37] <eruin> downloading snes roms is perfectly legal where I'm at
[06:37] <FR500> eruin, where are you at?
[06:37] <jgotangco_lunch> same here
[06:37] <jgotangco_lunch> hehe
[06:37] <eruin> as long as you already own them that is
[06:37] <eruin> norway
[06:37] <jgotangco_lunch> well its not like that here
[06:37] <jgotangco_lunch> everything here is kinda pirated
[06:37] <eruin> :P
[06:38] <jgotangco_lunch> i intend to resist the temptation
[06:38] <db__> guys so theres no way to listen to mp3s in 5.04 '/
[06:38] <eruin> everything I use is free anyway :)
[06:38] <jgotangco_lunch> even though we have extremely weak ip laws
[06:38] <eruin> db__: I listen to mp3s just fine
[06:38] <jgotangco_lunch> same here
[06:38] <db__> how '/
[06:38] <eruin> db__: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats check out the wiki already............
[06:38] <db__> ive installed everything i can find related to mp3s
[06:38] <geneo93> yeah so do i
[06:38] <jgotangco_lunch> did you upgrade or fresh install
[06:39] <jgotangco_lunch> does your player crash or freeze?
[06:39] <db__> why cant they just go. do this this and this.. instead of pages of how do it.. annoying
[06:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> god, deleting files in nautilus is painfully slow.
[06:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> someone needs to import the beos tracker to linux.
[06:39] <regeya_> you think deleting files in nautilus is painfully slow, try to delete a few thousand files in Finder
[06:39] <eruin> db__: to avoid having to tell every single user the same thing?
[06:39] <eruin> just a _thought_
[06:40] <db__> i fall asleep half way thru the instructions
[06:40] <geneo93> BROKEN_LADDER:  good idea why dont you do that
[06:40] <regeya_> db__: so you're saying you're too lazy to read, eh?  must...resist...temptation...to...feed...
[06:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> don't have the time, nor is that my field.
[06:40] <geneo93> BROKEN_LADDER:  i'm in beshare ATM
[06:40] <eruin> db__: I'd just give up if I couldnt get through those simple instructions :P
[06:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> i should write music, because that's what i enjoy and am good at.
[06:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> oh neat.
[06:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> tell me why nautilus is so slow and sucky when it has so little to do?
[06:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> all it has to do is display file icons and such.
[06:41] <geneo93> i have the new unizone in ubuntu working just fine
[06:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> tracker is all of, what...under a meg of source?
[06:41] <Zotnix> BROKEN_LADDER, I don't know... I don't have a problem with Nautilus.
[06:41] <eruin> BROKEN_LADDER: because it does lots of things you don't wait it to do too :P
[06:41] <regeya_> BROKEN_LADDER: it was originally written by people with 0% UNIX experience (just a guess)
[06:41] <db__> just cbf'd reading pages everytime i wanna install something
[06:42] <aule> how do i compile a program in ubuntu?
[06:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> nautilus is just slow.
[06:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's not a bad program.
[06:42] <jsgotangco> how many files are talking about anyway
[06:42] <Zotnix> I don't find it slow at all.
[06:42] <regeya_> BROKEN_LADDER: it's not just nautilus that's slow.
[06:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> aule: configure it and run checkinstall -y, choose debian package.
[06:42] <Zotnix> I just loaded my home directory in under 5 seconds.
[06:42] <aule> ok
[06:42] <regeya_> ooh, under 5 seconds!
[06:42] <regeya_> welcome to 1993.
[06:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> aule:  or you can use apt-get install with source option.  see man apt-get
[06:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> regeya_:  lol
[06:42] <geneo93> Zotnix:  have you ever used beos
[06:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> geneo93:  i doubt he has if he said something like that.
[06:43] <Zotnix> regeya_, I'm using an older computer too.
[06:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> beos could load a directory of hundreds of files in seconds, even on an old 400mhz proc.
[06:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> well..tracker in beos could.
[06:43] <ells> can anyone give me a list of their whole sources, so i can see if my source is the reason my mp3s wont work. I am in hoary
[06:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> beos was just amazing.
[06:43] <jsgotangco> but already dead
[06:43] <jsgotangco> hehe
[06:43] <regeya_> Zotnix: me too, and I recall using much faster FMs on much slower hardware.  even Windows File Manager on a 386SX could spank Nautilus in the speed department. :-P
[06:43] <Zotnix> plus I'm loading it in browser mode.
[06:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> beos is dead.
[06:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> long live beos.
[06:43] <Zotnix> I turned off spatial browsing.
[06:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> me too.
[06:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> spatial browsing is f'ing stupid.
[06:44] <jsgotangco> it can be modified to your needs
[06:44] <ells> can anyone give me a list of their whole sources, so i can see if my source is the reason my mp3s wont work. I am in hoary
[06:44] <regeya_> even Apple is (slowly) abandoning the spatial-browsing concept.  that's telling.
[06:44] <Zotnix> Doesn't Apple used spatial browsing?
[06:44] <Zotnix> It's configurable in either case.
[06:44] <eruin> in case you havent noticed
[06:45] <eruin> the osx file manager sucks
[06:45] <regeya_> sort of.  of course purists say that Apple "messed up" spatial in OS X
[06:45] <regeya_> no joke eruin
[06:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm deleting 176 files in a directory in nautilus, and it's taking literally like a second for every 10-15 files.
[06:45] <ells> can anyone give me a list of their whole sources, so i can see if my source is the reason my mp3s wont work. I am in hoary
[06:45] <regeya_> and I use OS X Finder more than I use anything else.
[06:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> in beos it would have taken a second to do all of them.
[06:45] <regeya_> part of it is the filesystem too, don't forget that
[06:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> yeah. indexed.
[06:46] <regeya_> tracker was sweet
[06:46] <eruin> the filesystem layout also feels weird
[06:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm in reiserfs.  it's indexed.
[06:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> but i don't think gnome knows anything about that.
[06:46] <Zotnix> eruin, on what?
[06:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> feels weird in what?
[06:46] <crimsun> what mount options?
[06:46] <eruin> lemme reboot
[06:46] <eruin> Zotnix: on osX
[06:46] <crimsun> noatime, etc.?
[06:46] <geneo93> i have kde hee
[06:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> can i make my system index with reiser?
[06:46] <db__> anywhere on irc where ppl will help with ubuntu '/
[06:46] <regeya_> kde = rawk, geneo93
[06:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> don't apps have to be aware of indexing though?
[06:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> like nautilus.
[06:47] <zerovertex> anyone had any luck converting that openoffice 2.0 beta rpm to a deb with alien?
[06:47] <geneo93> 3.4 here
[06:47] <regeya_> 3.4 here
[06:47] <regeya_> much better than the last release
[06:47] <geneo93> just never got to like gnome
[06:47] <Zotnix> GNOME developers are addressing speed issues, I know that much.
[06:47] <Zotnix> They hope to make 2.12 faster.
[06:47] <regeya_> that's good to hear.
[06:48] <regeya_> I also hear they're working on memory usage issues
[06:48] <Zotnix> Few apps have bounties for lowering memory usage.
[06:48] <Zotnix> Yeah
[06:48] <geneo93> to many old timers working on gnome
[06:48] <Zotnix> It's hard to get new comers.
[06:48] <regeya_> there's no reason why that nice clean feature-free desktop should use more mem than other large DEs
[06:49] <niran> does anyone who hates spatial nautilus actually leave it on for a while and try it out?
[06:49] <regeya_> niran: not only did I leave it on for a while, but I used Finder for several years.
[06:49] <jbm__> i did in 1984
[06:49] <Zotnix> niran, I have.
[06:49] <niran> oh.
[06:49] <niran> well in that case
[06:49] <Zotnix> I use cli more often anyhow.
[06:50] <regeya_> niran: an ars technica article on spatial browsing does not constitute a usability study. ;-)
[06:50] <Zotnix> Especially for removing files/moving files/copying files/etc.
[06:50] <niran> i use it and i like it
[06:50] <regeya_> good for you!  you get a cookie. ;-)
[06:50] <Zotnix> It's more based on personal taste.
[06:50] <niran> yeah.
[06:51] <regeya_> also, based on how many files you have, and how many folders you use to keep those files organized
[06:51] <Zotnix> If my memory serves me anything Konqueror was no better than Nautilus when it comes to speed.
[06:51] <niran> yeah, when gnome switched to spatial, i reorganized my home
[06:51] <regeya_> the larger your filesystem, imho, the more likely you are to want to murder whoever came up with spatial browsing
[06:51] <regeya_> I guess what I'm trying to say is this: it doesn't scale.
[06:52] <niran> true, but i think it's better for the most common use cases
[06:52] <niran> not for drilling down to /usr/lib/weviWO
[06:52] <regeya_> apparently a few core devs agree (though as you say, it's user switchable)
[06:53] <niran> i think it makes a better default though
[06:53] <niran> new users aren't going to have the directory hierarchy issues that established users do
[06:53] <regeya_> switching it to default in one major release without asking was what made people angry, I suppose
[06:53] <regeya_> it was *quite* annoying
[06:53] <niran> not including an option for switching it off was uncool
[06:53] <regeya_> yikes, 5 to midnight here
[06:54] <niran> but why ask people before changing the default?
[06:54] <niran> if they did that for everything, nothing would get done
[06:54] <regeya_> oh, but average users didn't need to switch from spatial!  if you're smart enough to need browser mode, you're smart enough to edit a gconf key </laziness_excuse>
[06:54] <pestil> ok, another Be-er just entered the room!
[06:55] <regeya_> mmm...beer...
[06:55] <geneo93> oh hi papa
[06:55] <niran> i was too lazy to change the gconf key, so i stuck with it and ended up liking it
[06:55] <niran> maybe that's why they did it...
[06:56] <pestil> geneo93: there you are
[06:56] <pestil> geneo93: I didn't recognize you. You sometimes use another nick, right?
[06:56] <niran> spatial nautilus + places menu + bookmarks in file selector = awesomeness.
[06:56] <geneo93> yup my old nick from beshare
[06:56] <geneo93> -kane
[06:57] <srid> oh, no color.el for emacs in Ubuntu package??
[06:57] <jsgotangco> nice a fellow emacs user :)
[06:57] <pestil> geneo93: no, I meant that sometimes you are ge-"something else". I think. nevermind
[07:00] <geneo93> no not me
[07:00] <geneo93> pain in the ass maybe
[07:01] <pestil> oh well
[07:01] <geneo93> turning all those beosers in to linux users
[07:01] <niran> this is probably a long shot and a bit off topic, but has anyone in here written an epiphany plugin before?
[07:01] <crimsun> the more, the merrier
[07:02] <srid> oh, no color.el for emacs in Ubuntu package??
[07:02] <bluefoxicy> what can I install to xvid encode a video
[07:02] <crimsun> thanks for hanging around long enough for me to check, srid.
[07:02] <pestil> geneo93: did you finally succumb over, from MDK?
[07:02] <bluefoxicy> gstreamer allows encoding with ffmpeg right?
[07:03] <crimsun> bluefoxicy: absolutely. apt-cache policy gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg
[07:03] <geneo93> yeah there final will have kde 3.3.2 sucks
[07:03] <bluefoxicy> crimsun:  but how do I encode with it
[07:04] <crimsun> srid: this may assist you: http://higgs.djpig.de/cgi-ubuntu//search_contents.pl?version=hoary&arch=i386&case=insensitive&word=color.el&searchmode=searchword
[07:04] <gabaug> when a kernel module says it needs the kernel source to build, does that just mean the headers (eg kernel-headers package)?
[07:04] <Cam-> what commands does network-admin call to bring up a interface?
[07:05] <crimsun> gabaug: linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[07:05] <Anubis> does your scrolls wheel work in your browsers?
[07:05] <gabaug> crimsun: ok, but just the headers?
[07:05] <crimsun> gabaug: to build external kernel modules, yes.
[07:05] <pestil> geneo93: it sucks? how come? so what, kubuntu will be different? (I'd guess you're trying that)
[07:05] <geneo93> crimsun:  got my tvcard working just need the radio part working now
[07:05] <Anubis> How do you tell your scroll whell to scroll or not it xorg?
[07:05] <srid> crimsun, no this is color-theme http://www.bright.net/~jonadab/emacs/
[07:06] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[07:06] <da_bon_bon> is "gnome-app-install" working for /anyone/ ?
[07:06] <geneo93> well i just did apt~~~ kde
[07:06] <da_bon_bon> geneo93: u shudve done apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[07:06] <crimsun> srid: then no, nor is it in Debian's packages.
[07:06] <pestil> geneo93: I guess you're lucky to have broadband then
[07:07] <geneo93> i dont want OO no need for it
[07:07] <pestil> da_bon_bon: what would be the difference?
[07:07] <pestil> oh
[07:07] <da_bon_bon> pestil: "kde" -- install way toooo much, and is a little outdated
[07:08] <pestil> so, what.... you mean kubuntu is leaner?
[07:08] <pestil> like, kde ubuntuized? :)
[07:08] <da_bon_bon> pestil: yes
[07:08] <pestil> I guess I haven't checked into it
[07:08] <geneo93> pestil:  broadband hehe 28800 here
[07:08] <da_bon_bon> pestil: ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KubuntuDefaults
[07:09] <Cam-> does anyonee know what command network-admin uses to activate a interface?
[07:09] <geneo93> i wish they would cut out the OO packages
[07:09] <pestil> da_bon_bon: thanks! I gotta admit, Ubuntu in its short lifetime has built a wonderful doc base around it
[07:09] <da_bon_bon> pestil: i agree
[07:09] <speedy2782> Can I copy my music from Money$oft XP to Ubuntu just by copying through my LAN
[07:09] <da_bon_bon> pestil: thats the power of wiki
[07:10] <pestil> geneo93: so, what KDE do you have here in ubuntu?
[07:10] <geneo93> 3.4
[07:11] <geneo93> its great and faster than gnome
[07:11] <jsgotangco> hmmm the OOo2 splash page in Hoary is nice
[07:11] <da_bon_bon> please help - http://rafb.net/paste/results/kTkvey50.html
[07:11] <jsgotangco> they just made an X on 1.1
[07:11] <jsgotangco> hehhe
[07:11] <DarthFrog> speedy2782: Yes.
[07:12] <DarthFrog> speedy2782: But whether they'll play or not depends upon what codecs are installed.   MP3 & OGGs will play just fine.
[07:12] <geneo93> i need something to eat brb
[07:12] <speedy2782> Darthfrog: do I need to know anything about it?
[07:12] <speedy2782> but aac.?
[07:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm in cfdisk trying to turn an ntfs volume to reiser.  do i choose linux as the type first? #83?
[07:12] <DarthFrog> speedy2782: I know nothing about AAC, sorry.
[07:13] <hardy> why can't i add anything to my menu
[07:13] <speedy2782> I guess I can just convert everything over to mp3 before I transfer
[07:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> try vorbis instead of mp3.
[07:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> you'll love it!
[07:13] <speedy2782> whati is vorbis?
[07:14] <da_bon_bon> speedy2782: an open source gr8 format like mp3
[07:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's a high quality patent-free audio encoding format.
[07:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's wayyyy better than mp3 though.
[07:14] <R0bNyc> is it me or am I the only 1 having problems installing from the ubuntu preview cd?
[07:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> for a comparable quality vorbis file, you'll have a file size of like 65% the size of the mp3.
[07:14] <speedy2782> anyone else have an opinion of vorbis?
[07:14] <HrdwrBoB> it's good
[07:14] <HrdwrBoB> primarily because it's free
[07:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> it also is non-proprietary.
[07:15] <DarthFrog> speedy2782: vorbis is a totally free lossy music compression format.  Ogg is the container, thus you will see references to Ogg Vorbis.
[07:15] <HrdwrBoB> I would question the validity of the 65% number
[07:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> it also has bitrate peeling, dynamic file attributes, and tons of other great features.
[07:15] <DarthFrog> Ogg vorbis rawks!
[07:15] <HrdwrBoB> however it is in general superior to mp3
[07:15] <HrdwrBoB> however some embedded devices don't support it
[07:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's 65% or better.
[07:15] <HrdwrBoB> most notably ipod
[07:15] <hardy> why can't i add anything to my menu
[07:15] <WW> speedy2782: I'm listening to ogg files right now.  I think the only problem is what HrdwrBoB said.  If you want to put your music on an ipod, I think you need mp3.
[07:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> most comparisons i've done between lame mp3 and oggenc vorbis files, have the vorbis file sounding as good at around 55% of the mp3 file size.
[07:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> if you want to put it on ipod, use aac.
[07:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> aac sounds much better than mp3, almost as good as vorbis.
[07:16] <MaxeyPad> what is the option to select packages manually or do a bare install at the boot prompt?
[07:16] <DarthFrog> speedy2782: I note that both faad and xmms-mp4 are (a) available for Ubuntu and (b) play AAC files.
[07:16] <geneo93> flac is best imho
[07:16] <zenrox> mp4s are nice
[07:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> flac is perfect.
[07:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> flac is lossless. :p
[07:17] <mike_douglas> MaxeyPad: server for hoary and custom for warty
[07:17] <speedy2782> darth slow down
[07:17] <xerox> And *big*
[07:17] <speedy2782> faad and xmms-mp4 will play aac files?
[07:17] <MaxeyPad> ah okay
[07:17] <DarthFrog> Yes.
[07:17] <MaxeyPad> will this give me the option to pick packages using what exactly?
[07:18] <mike_douglas> MaxeyPad: no, but it will set you up with a minimal base system
[07:18] <speedy2782> so I can just backup my ipod using gtkpod and then rockout using faad?
[07:18] <DarthFrog> speedy2782:  I found that out via a search in "Names & Descriptions" in Synaptic.
[07:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> what fs type is reiser in cfdisk?
[07:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> speedy2782:  backup your ipod?
[07:19] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: 83, like the others.
[07:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> speedy2782:  if the files are on your ipod, they are already encoded.
[07:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun:  then how do i select reiser?
[07:19] <speedy2782> right
[07:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> i remember doing this, but it's vague.
[07:19] <hardy> how do i add thing to my menus?
[07:19] <speedy2782> broken_ladder: My ipod has 5 gig of songs
[07:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> okay.
[07:19] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: you create a reiserfs on a Linux (type 83) partition.
[07:19] <speedy2782> I want to put them back on my laptop
[07:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> so just save the songs to disk.
[07:19] <pestil> is there anybody not furiously infatuated with Ubuntu, and can answer my question for searching a distro?
[07:19] <speedy2782> Yes
[07:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun:  yes, that's what i want to do.  how do i do that?
[07:20] <deFrysk> mkreiserfs /dev/hdblah
[07:20] <HrdwrBoB> speedy2782: file: copy tracks from ipod
[07:20] <deFrysk> of something
[07:20] <DarthFrog> BROKEN_LADDER: mkfs.reiser /dev/hda_something_or_other
[07:20] <WW> hardy: warty or hoary?
[07:20] <DarthFrog> pestil: Shoot.
[07:20] <copilot> can I get to the wastebasket from the command line?  ie nautilus //wastebasket
[07:20] <hardy> hoary
[07:20] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> if my warty cd rom is broke
[07:20] <da_bon_bon> copilot: ubuntuduige.org
[07:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> oh yeah.  i forgot all about that.
[07:20] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> and i want to install sdl mixer
[07:20] <mike_douglas> anyone familiar with rpm and dpkg? I need an rpm command "translated" into dpkg format.
[07:21] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> do i have to install it from the cd or can i use ne
[07:21] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> "net"
[07:21] <copilot> that manes you don't know.
[07:21] <deFrysk> mike_douglas, get alien
[07:21] <copilot> *means
[07:21] <mike_douglas> deFrysk: It's not a package, its a command
[07:21] <pestil> DarthFrog: I'm looking mainly for a Windows transitioner for someone I'm installing. It needs to have a splash screen, needs to work on a 400mhz 128mb ram machine, needs to have UI
[07:21] <speedy2782> Broken: will gtkpod pull songs from ipod
[07:21] <WW> hardy: Take a look: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=19673
[07:21] <HrdwrBoB> speedy2782: yes.
[07:22] <[CX] -sw0rdsavy> for adding packages that need the cd: is there a way to load this files from the respority
[07:22] <DarthFrog> pestil: How experienced is the user and how interested are they in learning?
[07:22] <mike_douglas> rpm -qa --quaryformat="%{NAME} %{VERSION} %{RELEASE} %{EPOCH}\n
[07:22] <pestil> DarthFrog: just knows the basics in windows, and has *zero* interest in learning
[07:22] <gabaug> with hoary's latest 10-4 kernel, it seems to change what format of kernel modules can be loaded...anybody have info on this?
[07:23] <pestil> DarthFrog: I was thinking elx linux. I'd prefer a distro that would have some graphical apt'get thingie
[07:23] <DarthFrog> pestil: Hmm, on such a limited resource machine (128 MB & 400 MHz limited????!! What a world!) things might be tight.
[07:23] <da_bon_bon> pestil: ELX sucks
[07:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> what is the fs type for reiser 4 when using mount?
[07:23] <DarthFrog> pestil: I'd suggest giving Linspire a shot.
[07:23] <geneo93> pestil:  ubuntu has synaptic
[07:23] <pestil> da_bon_bon: I thought the button panels that replace start menus are easy to use
[07:24] <deFrysk> linspire ? :s
[07:24] <da_bon_bon> pestil: well, u can have that in ubutnu too
[07:24] <hardy> can you give me that URL again?
[07:24] <pestil> geneo93: ubuntu doesn't have graphical splash screen
[07:24] <BROKEN_LADDER> ubuntu rules.
[07:24] <BROKEN_LADDER> it gets better every week.
[07:24] <pestil> deFrysk: does linspire have splash screen?
[07:24] <eruin> HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device <-- anyone able to decipher that message?
[07:24] <DarthFrog> pestil: any Debian based distro will have Synaptic available to it.
[07:24] <BROKEN_LADDER> a splash screen is an important feature to you eh?
[07:24] <pestil> DarthFrog: Is Linspire debian based?
[07:24] <da_bon_bon> better CLI than synaptic
[07:24] <WW> hardy: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=19673
[07:25] <deFrysk> pestil, linspire has no root
[07:25] <jsgotangco> Linspire is debian based
[07:25] <pestil> BROKEN_LADDER: not for me. for this guy who freaks at anything black screen
[07:25] <deFrysk> would never use it
[07:25] <da_bon_bon> pestil: linspire is not free. its a commercial, begging-for-every-other-application-download kind of a distro
[07:25] <pestil> deFrysk: the machine won't be on the internet, and nobody in this country has heard of linux before
[07:25] <DarthFrog> pestil: Yes.  And it's a commercial distro, so there's good support.  It's definitely intended for Windows switchers.
[07:25] <jsgotangco> where is that?
[07:25] <pestil> da_bon_bon: does it have OpenOffice?
[07:25] <deFrysk> pestil, then get libranet 2.8
[07:25] <WW> hardy: Apparently menu editing is disabled in gnome 2.10.  The url is for a forum thread about a menu editor that someone wrote.
[07:25] <pestil> jsgotangco: Zamunda
[07:25] <da_bon_bon> pestil: yes
[07:25] <deFrysk> ist fast and free for download
[07:26] <jsgotangco> where is Zamuda?
[07:26] <geneo93> i tried the very first round of lindows and it sucked so i never looked at it again
[07:26] <ironwolf> what's a good multi-threaded web downloader/web sucker?
[07:26] <DarthFrog> deFrysk: So you and I would never use it.  That doesn't mean that it isn't suitable for its target audience. :-)
[07:26] <cowbud> menu editing in gnome will come out in 2.12
[07:26] <jsgotangco> Linspire works for others while to us its not worth it
[07:26] <deFrysk> DarthFrog, define target audience :D
[07:26] <jsgotangco> we can still get well together cant we
[07:26] <jsgotangco> :)
[07:26] <WW> When is 2.12 due?
[07:27] <gabaug> how can I just download a packge that I already have installed but is no longer in my /var/cache?
[07:27] <cowbud> WW: 6 months..
[07:27] <cowbud> gnome is on a 6 month release cycle
[07:27] <deFrysk> WW 6 month rel. cycle
[07:27] <WW> cowbud: Will hoary have an ubuntu work-around?
[07:27] <deFrysk> and what cowbud said
[07:27] <BROKEN_LADDER> jesus.  even on google i can't find the fs type for reiser4
[07:27] <DarthFrog> deFrysk:  Exactly the person that pestil is talking about.
[07:27] <cowbud> WW: uhh doubt it :)
[07:28] <gabaug> is there a new format that hoary's 10-4 kernel now takes?? I have some custom built modules that can't be loaded ("Invalid module format")
[07:28] <geneo93> grub wont work with reiserfs4
[07:28] <pestil> DarthFrog: Oh yes! it needs to have a cd burner app! like nero or easycd. its' a must.
[07:28] <DarthFrog> pestil: Xandros would be another good choice.
[07:28] <da_bon_bon> gabaug: rebuild the modules
[07:28] <pestil> DarthFrog: that's why I discarded Lycoris
[07:28] <deFrysk> grub wont indeed
[07:28] <WW> cowbud: So for the next 7 months, every day there will be questions here and in the forum about how to edit the menus in gnome?
[07:28] <BiteMeBill> BROKEN_LADDER: what do you mean?  IT's a journaling file system.
[07:28] <da_bon_bon> geneo93: google - there are special version of GRUB available
[07:28] <geneo93> you have to use lilo like i do
[07:28] <pestil> DarthFrog: Xandros? Intriguing!thanks for popping that up!
[07:28] <gabaug> da_bon_bon: I built them on a freshly installed hoary system (that has 10-4 kernel) and they don't load..
[07:28] <DarthFrog> pestil: then Xandros is perfect. You can burn a CD from teh File Manager.
[07:28] <jsgotangco> Xandros is good
[07:29] <jsgotangco> but dont they use old gtk?
[07:29] <deFrysk> if you like sandros and alike ubuntu would be better
[07:29] <geneo93> da_bon_bon:  i use lilo much simpler
[07:29] <pestil> DarthFrog: thanks then. I will go check it out again
[07:29] <da_bon_bon> geneo93: lilo sucks
[07:29] <DarthFrog> deFrysk: Not for Pestils's user.
[07:29] <deFrysk> da_bon_bon, it does not
[07:29] <pestil> DarthFrog: was there something like a "free circulation" edition or somn?
[07:29] <geneo93> so does grub
[07:30] <DarthFrog> pestil: Yes.
[07:30] <pestil> DarthFrog: what are the limitations on it? btw, does xandros have splash screen
[07:30] <BROKEN_LADDER> BiteMeBill:  the fs type is "reiser4"
[07:30] <geneo93> suse9.2 pe aint bad either pestil
[07:30] <BROKEN_LADDER> BiteMeBill:  i finally found out for sure that's it.
[07:30] <deFrysk> pestil, and dont forget to put nero for linux on it
[07:30] <pestil> DarthFrog: does k3b work in xandros
[07:30] <BROKEN_LADDER> BiteMeBill:  so my problem must be that the kernel doesn't have support for it.
[07:30] <jsgotangco> xandros has splash screen on boot
[07:30] <cowbud> deFrysk: have you used that?
[07:31] <deFrysk> cowbud, tried it and it sucks big time
[07:31] <pestil> deFrysk: how much does neroforlinux cost?
[07:31] <BiteMeBill> BROKEN_LADDER: What kernal?
[07:31] <cowbud> pestil: doesn't matter right now it runs on gtk 1 that is enough said
[07:31] <da_bon_bon> please help - http://rafb.net/paste/results/0mLLnE97.html
[07:31] <jsgotangco> nero for linux is free but you have to own a windows version of it
[07:31] <deFrysk> pestil, a connection to some obscure torrentserver ;p
[07:31] <cowbud> hah
[07:31] <DarthFrog> pestil: Not commercial apps and CD burning speed is limited.  K3b should work fine, the limiations would be with the burning from the file manager.
[07:31] <cowbud> deFrysk: you mean torrentspy ;)
[07:32] <cowbud> the only reason to use nerolinux is if you have a few nrg files laying around that you want to burn..
[07:32] <cowbud> other than that k3b is decent for now..
[07:32] <deFrysk> cowbud, is you have a burner with nero included you can download it
[07:32] <speedy2782> how do I access the synaptic respositories files?
[07:32] <speedy2782> or file/
[07:32] <deFrysk> also the burner has to be installed
[07:32] <cowbud> haha
[07:32] <deFrysk> on windows
[07:32] <cowbud> nice
[07:32] <pestil> DarthFrog: last question. For a 400mhz machine, which is best: Xandros, Linspire, Ubuntu (no, scrach that), or MDK?
[07:32] <deFrysk> to obtain the reg fom the registry
[07:32] <cowbud> deFrysk: how do they tell that btw?
[07:32] <cowbud> ahh
[07:32] <cowbud> the cds have the keys right on them..
[07:33] <deFrysk> they tell it on their website
[07:33] <WW> speedy2782: In Synaptic, go to Settings->Repositories
[07:33] <speedy2782> ww: in terminal
[07:33] <deFrysk> cowbud, its not worth it
[07:33] <WW> speedy2782: The file is /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:33] <deFrysk> k3b is many times better
[07:33] <DarthFrog> pestil:  Not Mandrake.  Give the other two a shot, they both have free circulation editions.
[07:33] <deFrysk> nero is ugly gtk1
[07:33] <geneo93> hey i have an old creative 8x4x32 that shiped with nero
[07:34] <cowbud> deFrysk: yah I know i've fucked with it already..
[07:34] <geneo93> but not in this box
[07:34] <deFrysk> anyway its perfect for the next linspire
[07:34] <deFrysk> ;p
[07:34] <deFrysk> pay per click
[07:34] <cowbud> blah linspire
[07:35] <speedy2782> found it
[07:35] <DarthFrog> pestil: I really like Mandrake. (I'm typing this on a Mandrake machine). But it wouldn't do well on the machine that you're talking about and your user wouldn't like it.
[07:35] <deFrysk> DarthFrog, if you like mandrake kde on hoary you will even like more
[07:35] <pestil> why not MDK? too slow for the machine?                What are the limitations of the open circulation editions of the other two?
[07:35] <hazmat> anyone know where an evolution-2.2-plugin package can be found?
[07:35] <xerox> Anybody playing to knows how to install cgoban2 on ubuntu?
[07:35] <xerox> *go
[07:36] <geneo93> i've run mandrake on a p200 with 80 mb of ram before 2.6 kernel
[07:36] <deFrysk> DarthFrog, cool :)
[07:36] <DarthFrog> geneo93: Which version?
[07:36] <geneo93> ahh i think it was 8.2
[07:37] <da_bon_bon> geneo93: mandrake sucks
[07:37] <deFrysk> mandrake does not suck
[07:37] <deFrysk> it almost sucks
[07:37] <DarthFrog> geneo93: And how well did it run?
[07:37] <da_bon_bon> deFrysk: its sucks majorly
[07:37] <geneo93> da_bon_bon:  lots of things suck but not on the right thing
[07:37] <woodwizzle> I just put ubuntu on a 400mhz amd with 256mb ram
[07:38] <woodwizzle> it only kinda sucks
[07:38] <crimsun> 256 MB RAM is really helping.
[07:38] <deFrysk> mildly sucks
[07:38] <DarthFrog> da_bon_bon: No, Mandrake definitely does not suck.  I'm getting annoyed with the focus on the Mandrake Club, however.
[07:38] <hardy> How do i use the menu editer?
[07:38] <gabaug> how can I manually download an hoary's 10-3 kernel?
[07:38] <da_bon_bon> DarthFrog: mandrake cant get one thing right.
[07:38] <cowbud> no distro wars please
[07:38] <deFrysk> DarthFrog, that clubcrap sucks majorly
[07:38] <cowbud> it is boring banter
[07:38] <geneo93> DarthFrog:  not bad at all did a few kernel tricks and was like normal
[07:39] <WW> cowbud: But don't you find "It sucks!" "No it doesn't!" "Yes it does!" fascinating?
[07:39] <DarthFrog> deFrysk: yeah, that's why I'm thinking of tossing Mdk.
[07:39] <deFrysk> I like Duvall
[07:39] <da_bon_bon> cowbud is right
[07:39] <da_bon_bon> we must stop
[07:39] <deFrysk> Rober Duvall that is
[07:39] <da_bon_bon> s/we/i
[07:39] <da_bon_bon> :)
[07:40] <DarthFrog> geneo93: It was usable & not slow?
[07:40] <deFrysk> Robber
[07:40] <geneo93> mandrake used to be cutting edge but anymore those lazzy asses cant get th job done
[07:40] <DarthFrog> da_bon_bon: Thank you for that correction. :-)
[07:40] <gobeavs> what does the "%" do in BASH scripting?
[07:40] <da_bon_bon> DarthFrog: that shows i accept my mistaked :)
[07:40] <da_bon_bon> mistakes
[07:41] <gabaug> why are apt repositorie *so hard* to manually browse?!
[07:41] <DarthFrog> da_bon_bon: You are a wise man. :-)
[07:41] <da_bon_bon> the only thing i dont like about mdk is that most applications are only avaialable to the cluc memebers.
[07:41] <WW> gobeavs: help %
[07:41] <deFrysk> cluc ?
[07:41] <deFrysk> ;p
[07:41] <DarthFrog> Club
[07:41] <geneo93> oh fuck the club i get them anyway
[07:42] <da_bon_bon> geneo93: how ? rpms ?
[07:42] <gobeavs> WW: hmmm....didn't help for me :-D
[07:42] <geneo93> secret
[07:42] <DarthFrog> I'm not too concerned about that.  But having updates to big things, like KDE, being available to club members only, is rotting my sox.
[07:42] <gobeavs> WW: someone above provided: "ls *.mp3 | xargs -i sh -c "echo {} | sed s/.mp3//g | xargs -i% sox %.mp3 %.wav"" to convert mp3 to wav, so I was wondering what the %'s do
[07:42] <gobeavs> so I could implement them into my script
[07:43] <pestil> DarthFrog: da_bon_bon: cowbud: thanks for the help! it was very useful. I did not mean to start a distro war, or trolling. Indeed it was useful. Gotta go now. bye
[07:43] <crimsun> gobeavs: string substitutions
[07:43] <pestil> geneo93: see ya
[07:43] <cowbud> wow
[07:43] <cowbud> someone actually uses chatzilla?
[07:43] <geneo93> yup be good
[07:43] <gobeavs> crimsun: ok...thanks
[07:43] <crimsun> cowbud: hey now, no irc client wars =)
[07:44] <DarthFrog> :-)
[07:44] <WW> gobeavs: Oh. That's different. :)
[07:44] <cowbud> crimsun: ;)
[07:44] <delltony> anyone here by chance use bnc daemon?
[07:44] <geneo93> cowbud:  maybe you need to beat your meat
[07:44] <andy__> g'day! having problems installing gaim 1.4 ... says it needs glib, but according to synaptic, it's already there!
[07:44] <DarthFrog> geneo93: That was uncalled for.
[07:45] <hardy> How do i use the menu editer?
[07:45] <cowbud> geneo93: hrmm is it that time already?
[07:45] <cef> any reason why a fresh install of warty would have a somewhat stuffed login prompt? just displays the ubuntu logo, and a login bo.. no shutdown/option buttons at all
[07:45] <geneo93> well he seem to be frustrited with what other ppl like
[07:45] <cef> login box
[07:46] <gobeavs> WW: Ya...it didn't make sense :-d
[07:46] <hazmat> is there a way to show which files belong to a particular package?
[07:46] <niran> anyone here use epiphany and have hoary installed?
[07:46] <crimsun> hazmat: a package that's installed, or...?
[07:47] <crimsun> hazmat: http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
[07:47] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: have a look - http://rafb.net/paste/results/0mLLnE97.html
[07:48] <Burgundavia> geneo93: please follow the ubuntu code of conduct
[07:48] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: how current is that?
[07:48] <cef> any recommended way to edit the xfree86 config in warty?
[07:48] <cef> it got my screen res wrong
[07:48] <crimsun> cef: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[07:48] <Burgundavia> cef: then edit it by hand in your favourite text editor
[07:48] <Burgundavia> or that way
[07:49] <hazmat> crimsun, installed
[07:49] <cef> hopefully it'll have the right screen res in there
[07:49] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: a few seconds back
[07:49] <crimsun> hazmat: dpkg -S somefile
[07:49] <hazmat> crimsun, thanks
[07:49] <crimsun> hazmat: I highly recommend 'dlocate'
[07:49] <dazed__> the ubu install on my laptop never gets passed a certain point...always says that my computer has reached critical temp and it shuts down...but its always at the same spot? any ideas how to get by this?
[07:50] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: mentioned on the kubuntu list(s)?
[07:50] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: on the channel yes, on the lists no
[07:50] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: i deletd all files in /var/lib/apt/lists and am getting the apt-get update as we speak
[07:50] <LordGrunt> hello
[07:51] <da_bon_bon> dazed__: hoary/warty ?
[07:51] <DarthFrog> dazed__: Bizarre.  Try passing the "noapic" parameter when booting.
[07:51] <da_bon_bon> dazed__: he means noacpi
[07:51] <LordGrunt> is it possible to create user with password made not needed? or at least space as pwd
[07:52] <WW> gobeavs: As someone else pointed out, the "-i" option is used to create a string substitution.  Each input line will be called %, and the subsequent references to % will be replaced with each input line and executed.
[07:52] <WW> gobeavs: I think this might also work, and it's a bit simpler:
[07:52] <DarthFrog> LordGrunt: Yes.  But you won't be able to login as that user.
[07:53] <WW>  ls *.mp3 | sed -e s/.mp3//g | xargs -i% sox %.mp3 %.wav
[07:53] <LordGrunt> i dont want pwd disabled, but not needed
[07:53] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: caveat: "noapic" is 100% valid
[07:53] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: and equivalent to noacpi ?
[07:54] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: no, pci=noacpi is different
[07:54] <gobeavs> WW: ok, thanks. I'll try it out
[07:54] <DarthFrog> LordGrunt: Edit /etc/shadow and delete the encrypted password between the first two : marks.
[07:54] <FR500> hello
[07:54] <WW> gobeavs: I tried it with a directory of .ogg files (replace .mp3 with .ogg in the command) and it worked.
[07:54] <gobeavs> except sox won't work on my PC
[07:54] <dazed__> da_bon_bon: warty
[07:54] <FR500> what are the setting in grub for hibernation to work?
[07:54] <gobeavs> doesn't have the right mpeg something
[07:54] <dazed__> whats the noacpi?
[07:54] <cef> erm.. ok.. how do I shoot the gnome resolution changer in the head and tell it REAL resolutions to use instead of it's crappy (WRONG) defaults?
[07:54] <dazed__> how do i pass it
[07:54] <gobeavs> I have the basis for a script down, I just had some troubles...hopefully this % thing will help
[07:54] <DarthFrog> da_bon_bon: I meant noapic, not noacpi.
[07:54] <WW> gobeavs: You might have to install a library for sox to read mp3 files.
[07:54] <crimsun> cef: follow Burgundavia's suggestion and edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 manually.
[07:55] <FR500> it worked earlier but grubconf screwed it
[07:55] <da_bon_bon> DarthFrog: i figured that
[07:55] <DarthFrog> da_bon_bon: : -)
[07:55] <da_bon_bon> DarthFrog: my bad
[07:55] <Burgundavia> cef: I would do it with an editor that saves the old copy, like gedit
[07:55] <da_bon_bon> :)
[07:55] <da_bon_bon> DarthFrog: u always like ur smilies to have a nose, right ?
[07:55] <Burgundavia> cef: then you can cp config~ config to fix it easily
[07:55] <DarthFrog> da_bon_bon: You will learn, young padawan. :-)
[07:55] <cef> this is the problem though: the XF86Config-4 file is correct now. 1440 x 900
[07:56] <geneo93> =))
[07:56] <cef> gnome however, keeps setting the screen resolution to 1400x1050
[07:56] <da_bon_bon> DarthFrog: 1) right i need to learn a lot,, 2) i am not a young padawan (as in newbie)
[07:56] <FR500> hmmm anyone with hoary and  a laptop?
[07:56] <WW> gobeavs: Maybe libmad0?
[07:56] <dazed__> da_bon_bon: how do i pass the noacpi?
[07:56] <Burgundavia> cef: restart your X server ctrl-alt-bksp
[07:56] <Burgundavia> cef: save all your stuff first though
[07:56] <cef> so I miss the bottom 150 lines, which, just so happens to be the login screen options
[07:57] <cef> Burgundavia: done that
[07:57] <da_bon_bon> dazed__: linux noapic while it says "boot"
[07:57] <Burgundavia> cef: hmm
[07:57] <DarthFrog> dazed__: When the grub boot screen comes up, you can edit the configuration.
[07:57] <da_bon_bon> dazed__: for more info press F1, F2, F3
[07:57] <dazed__> ok let me give it a try
[07:57] <gobeavs> WW: I'm just going to try to use lame
[07:57] <cef> Computer->System Config->Screen Resolution does not show the right resolution
[07:57] <da_bon_bon> DarthFrog: warty cd uses lilo as boot, not grub
[07:57] <gobeavs> ya, lame worked
[07:57] <dazed__> ono ,my laptop its all jumbled cuz of the res
[07:58] <gobeavs> wow...I think you just did in one line what I couldn't do in 12 :-D
[07:58] <BiteMeBill> cef: if that doesn't show the right ones then you need to finish editing your config-4 file.
[07:58] <gobeavs> I really need to get my BASH skills refined :-P
[07:58] <cef> BiteMeBill: howso?
[07:59] <FR500> hmmm anyone with hoary and  a laptop? i need menu.lst, grubconf screwe mine now i can't hibernate
[07:59] <DarthFrog> da_bon_bon: Hmm, I don't think I ever saw a LILO screen from Warty.  I've only ever seen grub.  Maybe I specified grub during the install?
[07:59] <dazed__> should i use noapic or nolapic? whats the dif?
[07:59] <da_bon_bon> DarthFrog: the boot cd
[07:59] <BiteMeBill> cef: if your refresh rates aren't correct and all the differnt res. aren't put in for all the different modes then you will run into problems.
[07:59] <da_bon_bon> DarthFrog: the cd u used to install warty
[07:59] <cef> BiteMeBill: dpkg-reconfigure doesn't give you a chance to edit that value (just a pick list), and I can't see the value the screen resolution stuff is storing anywhere in the xfree config
[08:00] <WW> gobeavs: I just tried the command with the one mp3 file that I could find on my computer and even though sox gave me an error message about "Do not support MPEG...", it still converted the mp3 to wav.
[08:00] <FR500> well no help for me today
[08:00] <cef> BiteMeBill: hrm.. ok.. must be that it's not 60 Hz
[08:00] <BiteMeBill> I seen you mention a 1400X950 or something res.  Are you running wide screen monitor?
[08:00] <DarthFrog> da_bon_bon: Ah, yes.  You're right.
[08:00] <dazed__> btw it would shut down during unpacking ... does it still turn off the apic during unpacking?
[08:00] <BiteMeBill> cef:  You may need to edit it by hand.
[08:00] <dazed__> i forgot to mention that i think lol
[08:01] <amroc> hello, could i get some help?
[08:01] <cef> got it.. no modeline with that name.. will have to create one.. *sigh*
[08:01] <hardy> Can I use synaptic to install mplayer?
[08:01] <DarthFrog> dazed__: Give it a shot.
[08:01] <FR500> yes
[08:01] <dazed__> actually it was during the "seting up of the packages" process
[08:01] <BiteMeBill> cef: what kind of monitor do you have?
[08:01] <DarthFrog> hardy: Yes, if you have universe and/or multiverse repositories enabled.
[08:01] <kylemunzenrieder> HI!
[08:02] <cef> BiteMeBill: Toshiba Satellite P20 laptop
[08:02] <dazed__> actually it was during the "seting up of the packages" process
[08:02] <cef> BiteMeBill: weird-ass 1440 x 900 display
[08:02] <dazed__> i am
[08:02] <dazed__> i hope it works
[08:02] <dgt> pft
[08:02] <dazed__> i know it has over heating problems but it was only during that certain part and i even put ice under my computer to cool it off and it was coooled off
[08:02] <BiteMeBill> cef: Ok BRB I'm going to see what google digs up..  By chance are you dual booting?
[08:03] <cef> BiteMeBill: yup
[08:03] <kylelovesporn> send n00dz to kylemunz@gmail.com
[08:03] <BiteMeBill> cef: have you ever done an aida32 report?
[08:03] <da_bon_bon> kylelovesporn: n00dz ?
[08:03] <cef> BiteMeBill: if it annoys me, I'll just go bug daniels .. assuming he's at home today
[08:04] <kylelovesporn> naked pictures you take of yourself
[08:04] <traxxas> da_bon_bon, yes n00dz
[08:04] <DarthFrog> kylelovesporn:  Fornicate elsewher and expire, please.
[08:04] <cef> BiteMeBill: nup.. any pointers?
[08:04] <gobeavs> WW: working great now, thank you very much
[08:04] <da_bon_bon> what are n00dz, traxxas, kylelovesporn ?
[08:04] <Deep7> anyone know if openoffice saves a temp file or something that can be recovered in the event of a crash?
[08:04] <DarthFrog> da_bon_bon: He's a troll.
[08:05] <da_bon_bon> DarthFrog: r u sure ?
[08:05] <traxxas> da_bon_bon, type n00dz into google be a real nerd
[08:05] <DarthFrog> da_bon_bon: He comes on channel and asks people to send him nude pictures of themselves and you're not sure? :-)
[08:06] <WW> gobeavs: Great.
[08:07] <error_29> thanks!
[08:07] <geneo93> WHOS up to the task of trouble shooting my radio for a hauppauge wintv dbx card
[08:07] <hardy>  It wont let me install it
[08:08] <blackstar> this is an easy fix guys...everytime that i open a window in ubuntus nautilus and double click on a folder it opens another window...how do i stop this so i can have it use one window
[08:08] <blackstar> thnks
[08:08] <DarthFrog> blackstar: Turn off spatial mode.
[08:08] <traxxas> or don't use nautilus
[08:09] <blackstar> ok how do i do this
[08:09] <error_29> blackstar, there should be a setting in gconfig, under nautilus settings
[08:09] <DarthFrog> That, I don't know.  I don't use Gnome.
[08:09] <WW> blackstar: Edit->Preferences->Behavior: Check "Always open..."
[08:09] <blackstar> what other browsers are there apart from konqueror
[08:09] <DarthFrog> Firefox.
[08:09] <error_29> applications_system tools_configuration editor
[08:09] <blackstar> i mean like folder browsers
[08:10] <blackstar> ok
[08:10] <dazed__> nautilus is a great browser
[08:10] <dazed__> it previews ur music when u hover ur mouse
[08:10] <DarthFrog> Konqueror is truly excellent.
[08:10] <error_29> Konqueror is great
[08:10] <dazed__> ehh
[08:10] <dazed__> i like em both
[08:11] <DarthFrog> So do I.
[08:11] <blackstar> cool thnks i will check it out
[08:11] <dazed__> where does konqueror kick nautilus' ass?
[08:11] <DarthFrog> Firefox & konq, that is.
[08:11] <geneo93> i like the copy to feature
[08:12] <DarthFrog> Konq is just as good a file browser as Nautilus and is a web browser as well.
[08:12] <error_29> you can use tabs in konqueror, I like that.  A lot more control.
[08:12] <maz1977> hi all!
[08:12] <dazed__> firefox can browse files?
[08:12] <dazed__> well yeah it can
[08:12] <maz1977> big problem with my new PC...
[08:12] <dazed__> but it looks like a webserver
[08:12] <geneo93> its a dell
[08:12] <maz1977> dazed__: in the url: file:///home/xxx
[08:12] <dazed__> true darthfrog
[08:13] <maz1977> no..
[08:13] <maz1977> after login I have a kernelpanic
[08:13] <dazed__> the worst part about my stupid problem...its almost at the end of the setup when it crashes  it can even boot up ubuntu after it shuts off and it just fails to load the Human.png
[08:13] <geneo93> oppps
[08:14] <hardy>  It wont let me install it
[08:14] <maz1977> but the strange thing i use hoary on my laptop and on another server and everything works fine!
[08:14] <geneo93> dazed__:  did you try the live cd
[08:14] <dazed__> 'Critical Temperature Reached 99 (C)'
[08:15] <traxxas> i can't install either
[08:15] <da_bon_bon> hardy: what do u wanna install ?
[08:15] <traxxas> and the live cd works great
[08:15] <dazed__> lol
[08:15] <dazed__> thats hot
[08:15] <maz1977> geneo93: how can i see it?
[08:15] <hardy> MPlayer
[08:15] <dazed__> i want a hard install
[08:15] <da_bon_bon> hardy: whats the problem ?
[08:15] <da_bon_bon> hardy: using marrilat ?
[08:15] <DarthFrog> dazed__: Do you have the battery installed?
[08:15] <geneo93> maz1977:  see what
[08:15] <maz1977> if I switch console after login confirm, X goes on..
[08:16] <kylelovesporn> I'm hot
[08:16] <dazed__> i run ubu on my pc
[08:16] <dazed__> its just on my laptop im having the problesm
[08:16] <maz1977> sorry, 'Critical Temperature Reached 99 (C)' wasn't for me?
[08:16] <dazed__> DarthFrog Yes
[08:16] <da_bon_bon> dazed__: try noapm noapic
[08:16] <dazed__> should i remove?
[08:16] <DarthFrog> dazed__: Try it without the battery.
[08:16] <dazed__> i thought that might help but i ddidnt try
[08:16] <DarthFrog> dazed__:  That's grasping ast straws, tho.
[08:16] <dazed__> lol
[08:17] <BiteMeBill> da_bon_bon: did he say it was freezing or shutting down?
[08:17] <hardy> Mpalyer requires dependencies that are not in any of the databases
[08:17] <kylelovesporn> I love Chris Duffey
[08:17] <da_bon_bon> BiteMeBill: restarting
[08:17] <maz1977> hardy have you multiverse as source?
[08:17] <geneo93> hardy:  wrong
[08:17] <dazed__> welll da_bon_bon: its when its setting up the packages when it crashes i can get all the way through the cd part of the install
[08:17] <hardy> no
[08:17] <maz1977> dazed__ is it a laptop?
[08:18] <BiteMeBill> da_bon_bon: it sounds like it's in the bios then.  I wouldn't suggest turning it off though...  But it would be up to him.
[08:18] <DarthFrog> dazed__: Define crashes, please.
[08:18] <da_bon_bon> dazed__: then u need to edit in grub
[08:18] <maz1977> hardy put deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe multiverse in your sources.list
[08:18] <dazed__> ...comp shuts down
[08:18] <dazed__> just turns off
[08:18] <dazed__> completely
[08:18] <dazed__> it over heats and just shuts off
[08:19] <dazed__> sometimes it gives me a warning with "sending term signal"
[08:19] <maz1977> dazed__: try to install with noapic nolapic
[08:19] <DarthFrog> dazed__:  That is not a crash!
[08:19] <dazed__> da_bon_bon: what do u mean im probably not going to know how to do it lol
[08:20] <maz1977> noone have problem with gam_server?
[08:20] <dazed__> lol sorry bad lingo DarthFrog...
[08:20] <dazed__> maz thats what im trying now
[08:20] <hardy> synaptic still wont let me install mplayer
[08:20] <da_bon_bon> dazed__: in grub menu, highlist ubuntu and press "e" and then in kernel parametemers line press "e" and then add noapic nolapic noapm at the end, press enter, and press b
[08:20] <maz1977> hardy: sudo apt-get update
[08:20] <geneo93> apt-get -f install hardy
[08:21] <dazed__> is tehre anyway to install basics and skip all other package installs until i get into Gnome
[08:21] <maz1977> dazed__: linux server
[08:21] <DarthFrog> dazed__: It makes a difference.  What you are describing is a shutdown due to overheating.   A crash is due to a software or hardware malfunction.
[08:21] <dazed__> the less unpacking and setting up i think will work
[08:22] <dazed__> maz1977: explain to me what that does
[08:22] <maz1977> dazed__: at first prompt at install time
[08:22] <DarthFrog> dazed__: Methinks you need to get a laptop cooling pad.
[08:22] <dazed__> DarthFrog: i know theres a difference i was just typing too fast for my ehad
[08:22] <maz1977> type: linux noapic nolapic
[08:22] <maz1977> [enter] 
[08:22] <dazed__> maz1977: i know that ... whats that do though?? whats it mean?
[08:23] <DarthFrog> dazed__:  LOL!  But we, on the other side of the monitor, don't know that.
[08:23] <BiteMeBill> if the bios is shutting they system down there isn't anything he can do till he gets his temps under control.
[08:23] <dazed__> DarthFrog: i tried putting the laptop on ice... i felt the processor it was chilled
[08:23] <dazed__> still shutdown
[08:23] <maz1977> disable some kernel function that your hardware dosn't support
[08:23] <DarthFrog> dazed__: Can you install/run any other Linux distro?
[08:24] <dazed__> maz1977: i know where and what to type ...i just wanted to know waht typing "server" would do lol.
[08:24] <dazed__> i can run knoppix live disc fine
[08:24] <dazed__> have tried hard installs of anything else yet
[08:24] <BiteMeBill> server will do a basic install IIRC
[08:24] <maz1977> I try to repost... someone have some problem with gam_server?
[08:25] <dazed__> Thanks BiteMeBill
[08:25] <hardy> I am still having trouble
[08:25] <hardy> I am still having trouble
[08:25] <maz1977> dazed__: sorry server install only minimal package, without X
[08:25] <geneo93> dazed__:  f4 gives you kernel message try that maybe you can see what the problem is
[08:25] <dazed__> does it install Gnome and such stuff? BiteMeBill
[08:25] <BiteMeBill> hardy: post your sources.list on pastebin
[08:25] <maz1977> hardy what's the putput?
[08:25] <BiteMeBill> dazed__: let me find a link so you can read what it will do.
[08:26] <dazed__> geneo93: f4 when?
[08:26] <maz1977> daxed__ durin' install
[08:26] <geneo93> at boot
[08:26] <dazed__> thansk BiteMeBill
[08:26] <ossiii> could anyone plz tell me which tool to use to mount my other partitions under ubuntu? couldnt find
[08:26] <hardy> mplayer-586:
[08:26] <hardy>  Depends: libdirectfb-0.9-20  but it is not installable
[08:26] <hardy>  Depends: libggi2 (>=1:2.0.5) but it is not installable
[08:26] <hardy>  Depends: libsvga1  but it is not installable or
[08:26] <hardy>  	svgalib-dummyg1  but it is not installable
[08:26] <DarthFrog> dazed__:  Gnome would absolutely require and depend upon X.
[08:26] <crimsun> hardy: warty or hoary?
[08:27] <GNAM> how can i see my kernel version?
[08:27] <GNAM> is there a command?
[08:27] <maz1977> GNAM uname -a
[08:27] <crimsun> GNAM: uname -r
[08:27] <GNAM> ok
[08:27] <hardy> hoary
[08:27] <dazed__> let me see if this noapic and nolapic
[08:27] <dazed__> works
[08:27] <geneo93> hardy:  do the apt-get -f install like i said
[08:27] <maz1977> dazed__ good luck!
[08:27] <crimsun> dazed__: noapic also does nolapic
[08:27] <dazed__> DarthFrog: lol damn so im screwed i have to find a way to install X and do minimal packages besides that
[08:27] <dazed__> lol
[08:28] <dazed__> lol
[08:28] <dazed__> ima need it
[08:28] <dazed__> oh well i typed em both
[08:28] <maz1977> crimsun: on my laptop no. I had to specify "noapic nolapic"...
[08:28] <geneo93> dazed__:  you can use apt-get
[08:29] <dazed__> im on 56k
[08:29] <DarthFrog> dazed__: Not necessarily.  You could do a minimal, server install, then apt-get your way to joy.
[08:29] <ian> anyone familiar?  "Checking for forbidden M4 macros... ***Error***: some autoconf macros required to build..."
[08:29] <crimsun> ian: what are you trying to build?
[08:29] <dazed__> lol
[08:29] <maz1977> ossiii: sudo mount <dev> <mount>
[08:29] <crimsun> maz1977: strange. I'd say that's a kernel bug.
[08:29] <dazed__> hmmm
[08:29] <ian> crimsun: my own application! :)   http://linuxadvocate.org/projects/roadster/
[08:29] <dazed__> how much downloading would i need to do?
[08:29] <ossiii> tnx, will try to understand :)
[08:29] <ian> crimsun: just moved to ubuntu
[08:30] <geneo93> dazed__:  about 300mb
[08:30] <dazed__> so id need to apt-get X and Gnome? and then i could run gnome and do the rest from there?
[08:30] <geneo93> apt-get install ubuntudesk
[08:30] <crimsun> ian: so you'd need autoconf, automake, libtool, m4
[08:30] <Deep7> does anyone know where openoffice stores its temp files? ie an unsaved file?
[08:30] <mjones> I have a few questions about PPC support if anyone can answer
[08:31] <dazed__> lol if its 300mb then ill wait til i can goto my friends APT with cable im in a dorm with 56k...i didnt even know that still existed to this day...a dorm with 56k
[08:31] <Deep7> I had X lock up and had to reboot my machine, I need to recover my doc
[08:31] <dazed__> lol
[08:31] <LordGrunt> something wrong with the user im trying to add, pswd not accepted, no matter how many timess i updated t
[08:31] <crimsun> Deep7: it should autorecover when you restart OO.o
[08:31] <geneo93> dazed__:  you can use cd for now
[08:31] <ian> crimsun: I seem to have all of those.  automake version seems old though
[08:32] <crimsun> ian: --version ?
[08:32] <kylelovesporn> I love linux
[08:32] <mjones> can anyone tell me if there is something I should look out for or will need (extra) when installing on a first gen (bondi) iMac? It has YDL on it and I really dont care for it
[08:32] <dazed__> use the cd to install my packages?
[08:32] <geneo93> all you will need is the cd
[08:32] <ian> crimsun: 1.4-p6
[08:32] <dazed__> looks like u love some more then linux ^-
[08:32] <maz1977> crimsun do you know some bug about kernel-panic after X login? I read about some gam_server problem..
[08:33] <crimsun> ian: install automake1.7
[08:33] <mjones> cool, thanks. I have warty on an x86 233 and LOVE it =] 
[08:33] <ian> crimsun: not 1.8?
[08:33] <mjones> thank you for the help
[08:33] <kylelovesporn> traxxas: unbann me you silly negro
[08:33] <hardy> I still get the same output when i try to install mplayer
[08:33] <dazed__> ok so server install...and then itll use the cd to install x and gnome and such
[08:33] <geneo93> yes then update after
[08:33] <BiteMeBill> dazed__: if you type custom at the boot it will let you chose what to install
[08:33] <dazed__> to apt-get
[08:33] <crimsun> ian: well, you could go for 1.9 if you _really_ wanted to
[08:33] <BiteMeBill> you will then have to apt-get to install everything else.
[08:33] <dazed__> really
[08:33] <crimsun> ian: best to be conservative
[08:33] <mjones> is there anything extra I need to edit for the apt conf? for it to pull PPC files or does it know Im on a pcc box?
[08:34] <crimsun> mm Verano Place
[08:34] <Deep7> crimsun, well, I had to reboot my machine because X locked hard...... and it turns out debian unstable has hosed my X config...so I can't get back into X to get into OO.o.....so I used a ubuntu cd to get this far
[08:34] <BiteMeBill> dazed__: http://www.binonabiso.com/en/Ubuntu-miniRAM-HOWTO.html
[08:34] <dazed__> well ... i want Gnome and synaptic up so i can install my packages  once in gnome...so what would i need to type  lol?
[08:34] <BiteMeBill> might help you not overheat but will be slow going.
[08:34] <kylelovesporn> traxxas : i forget your silly garlic AIM
[08:34] <dazed__> thanks BiteMeBill
[08:34] <GNAM> what's latest guide about nvidia on hoary?
[08:35] <kylelovesporn> but unban me because I LOVE YOU SO MUCH I CAN BARELY STAND IT
[08:35] <Deep7> crimsun, any way of recovering given that info?
[08:35] <dazed__> once in the operating system it never over heats its just all the abuse on the processor...cheap ass hp board
[08:35] <mjones> well thanks for the help guys, this place is much faster for help then the YDL support/comm
[08:35] <DarthFrog> dazed__: If you were to type "apt-get install synaptic" it would pull in X.  Install gnome the same way.
[08:35] <BiteMeBill> kylelovesporn:  you must not love porn too much cause you aren't seeing it here.
[08:35] <mjones> will be returning in ubuntu =] 
[08:35] <crimsun> Deep7: wait...what does Debian Sid have to do with this?
[08:36] <guiman> crimsun: Verano Place?
[08:36] <dazed__> \its getting to crashing point
[08:36] <dazed__> lets see if it dies or goes on
[08:36] <kylelovesporn> bitemebill: bite me
[08:36] <crimsun> guiman: just recognize your hostmask.
[08:36] <Deep7> crimsun, that's technically the OS I was in...and my X is now hosed because of what is likely bad packages...such that I can't boot back into X
[08:36] <geneo93> DarthFrog:  he wants to da a little at a time i think
[08:37] <hardy> I still get the same output when i try to install mplayer
[08:37] <dazed__> i think its moving through the death point hold on a sec
[08:37] <dazed__> uh oh
[08:37] <dazed__> its almost done
[08:37] <dazed__> i think its working
[08:37] <DarthFrog> geneo93: Probably.
[08:37] <kylelovesporn> ijjjk-[iokjn jkonhip9-0op=p09oik
[08:37] <kylelovesporn> p;l[';o] 0-\\
[08:37] <geneo93> oh maybe you need to tell i586 mplayer
[08:37] <kylelovesporn> \'] \[p;ol
[08:38] <dazed__> i dunno if it was the noapic or the removal of the battery but it got past point of death on the install
[08:38] <Deep7> crimsun, any ideas?
[08:38] <BiteMeBill> ahh ignore works so nicely!
[08:38] <crimsun> Deep7: are you running warty?
[08:38] <guiman> ah, weird, it is like my second time here. Did you go to UCI? I am a phd anthro student working on open source and development... or something like that.
[08:38] <geneo93> hardy i586mplayer
[08:38] <kylelovesporn> ,mvjnotmktf,wpl;09ikpl[;dfpgoikdplpokiyuuuuuuuuuuuuuujtirodwp;;;;;;;;;;roitjy5693es2w;[q'
[08:38] <kylelovesporn> er
[08:39] <Deep7> crimsun, yeah running warty right now off of a live cd
[08:39] <kylelovesporn> lkojioec;3wiosa'/
[08:39] <dazed__> kylelovesporn: ... nice
[08:39] <crimsun> guiman: I almost matriculated there for Ph.D., but my ex-gf is in ESS Ph.D. there
[08:39] <dazed__> YES!
[08:39] <kylelovesporn> ILU
[08:39] <dazed__> it made it
[08:39] <dazed__> thanks for help guys
[08:39] <ian> crimsun: turns out I needed libglib2.0-dev.deb
[08:39] <DarthFrog> dazed__: Please don't feed the trolls.
[08:39] <dazed__> im in w00h00
[08:39] <crimsun> ian: ah. Next time, more informative errors are helpful. :-)
[08:39] <dazed__> im so excited now
[08:40] <DarthFrog> dazed__: Take it easy. :-)
[08:40] <guiman> crimsun: well, cool. Small world.
[08:40] <dazed__> ok now theres a problem
[08:40] <dazed__> theres an X just chillen in the middle of my screen
[08:40] <Deep7> crimsun, sorry to be a pain but I've a lot riding on the missin document
[08:40] <dazed__> its the X cursor before it loads GDM
[08:41] <dazed__> and the ubu cursor
[08:41] <DarthFrog> dazed__: That's the hardware cursor.
[08:41] <crimsun> Deep7: I'm afraid I can't tell you aside from looking the temp directories
[08:41] <DarthFrog> Move a window about and it'll disappear.
[08:41] <geneo93> can you get login dazed__
[08:41] <crimsun> Deep7: /tmp, /var/tmp, ~/.openoffice*
[08:41] <dazed__> DarthFrog: hwo do i get rid of it?
[08:42] <dazed__> yeah it loads up GDM and i login fine and im in Gnome right now the X is just chillen
[08:42] <geneo93> sudo apt-get install ubuntudesk
[08:42] <Deep7> ~/.openoffice has a .lock...hrmmm...
[08:43] <ian> dazed__: I get the same thing.  note that if you alt-drag a window it disappears
[08:43] <dazed__> does ubuntu come with ndiswrapper?
[08:43] <geneo93> Deep7:  try sudo
[08:43] <Deep7> geneo93, sorry ?
[08:43] <dazed__> tahnks ian that did the trick
[08:43] <DarthFrog> dazed__: Yes.
[08:44] <geneo93> root command in terminal
[08:44] <dazed__> DarthFrog: didnt even realize u told me to do same thing like 6 lines up lol thanks to you too
[08:45] <Deep7> geneo93, sudo to who,
[08:45] <DarthFrog> dazed__:  Read the FAQ on www.ubuntu.com about disabling the hardware cursor.
[08:45] <dazed__> okie doke
[08:45] <Deep7> I'm not sure what you're aiming at....but I'm willing to try anything at this point
[08:45] <geneo93> i dunno the default passwd
[08:46] <Deep7> geneo93, I have full access to the file system
[08:46] <Deep7> I just have to establish where OO saves the backup file
[08:46] <netpuppy> root@hoary:~ # linux32 /tmp/tribes2-install/setup.sh
[08:46] <netpuppy>   /tmp/tribes2-install/setup.sh: line 53:  5622 Segmentation fault      "$setup" $*
[08:46] <netpuppy> The setup program seems to have failed on x86/glibc-2.0
[08:46] <geneo93> for got that part live cds are a pain
[08:46] <DarthFrog> geneo93: There is no default password.
[08:46] <geneo93> crimsun:  whats thee default passwd for live cd
[08:47] <geneo93> is there a root terminal
[08:48] <dazed__> damn now  i have to read on how to mount ntfs filesystems on boot
[08:48] <garrut> i'm running gnome 2.10 on hoary with a dual screen setup using nvidia's twinview. on my left screen i've got a panel with a window list in it. the window list shows the windows from my left and my right screen, but i only want it to show the windows from the left screen. it was working that way in my fedora core 3 setup. can anybody help me with this?
[08:49] <DarthFrog> dazed__: Easy, peasy.  Set them up in fstab. :-)
[08:49] <ian> anyone else experience the workspace switcher popup not going away when you let go of the ctrl/alt keys?
[08:49] <crimsun> geneo93: I haven't used the recent live cd, sorry.
[08:49] <WebMaven_> How do I get Ubuntu to recognize my wireless?
[08:50] <netpuppy> garrut: At least for the fglrx drivers you need some "Dual Head" setup
[08:50] <dazed__> im still new to linux so i dunno how to do some of the easy stuff still lol
[08:50] <netpuppy> E.g. not clone nor xinerama
[08:51] <garrut> i've got my dual head set up with nvidia's twinview
[08:51] <GNAM> wow, when i try nvidia on xorg.conf I don't see anything, so i turned to nv
[08:51] <geneo93> dazed__:  dont worry about it i've been using it a long time and still know very little
[08:51] <DarthFrog> dazed__: Well then, you'll learn a lot by sussing out what I meant by setting them up in fstab.  :-)  It's your homework.
[08:51] <e-Jah> lut/hi
[08:51] <netpuppy> garrut: deal head meaning that you run independant instances of X on both heads
[08:52] <geneo93> dazed__:  i can help you with fstab if you need help
[08:52] <netpuppy> garrut: you could run different window managers for that matter
[08:52] <WebMaven_> Ijust installed Hoary on this new Averatec AV3250HX80, and as far as I can tell, everything works but the wireless.
[08:52] <dazed__> lol...i got the general idea of fstab...its where it sets up the directories and folders and stuff i think cuz i remember when i was pimping out my knoppix id save stuff to fstab cuz it was a live disc..
[08:52] <garrut> yeah, but i like it better this way with a stretched desktop
[08:52] <DarthFrog> WebMaven_: What chipset does your wireless nic use?
[08:53] <dazed__> geneo93: ill probably be calling on you in a lil im going to read up on how to do it and if i run into some snags ill holler at you. :)
[08:53] <netpuppy> garrut: uhm, was it that way in fedora too?
[08:53] <garrut> yep
[08:53] <geneo93> k np
[08:53] <garrut> and the window list only showed windows from the screen it was on then
[08:53] <netpuppy> garrut: stretched (you could move a window from one screen to the other) AND gnome-panel only showing windows from each screen?
[08:54] <WebMaven_> DarthFrog, according to this page: http://yencer.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2&sid=2157305b40ebe36aaa4fb56e2fd2fc2b it has an RT2500
[08:54] <garrut> netpuppy: that's right
[08:54] <netpuppy> hmm, maybe fedora used xinerama instead of nvidia's crap
[08:54] <dazed__> damn it feels like 20 minutes ago it was 12 am now its 2....whered the time go
[08:55] <garrut> no in fedora i also used twinvieuw
[08:55] <netpuppy> garrut: can I see your xorg.conf?
[08:55] <netpuppy> garrut: err.. so your config is the same?!
[08:55] <dazed__> are NTFS only mounted read only?
[08:55] <DarthFrog> WebMaven_:  The RT2500 has an Open Source driver project on Sourceforge.  I couldn't get it to compile for me, though.   However, Ubuntu does have ndiswrapper.  You could use that with the Windows driver.
[08:56] <GNAM> where can I find kernel changelog history?
[08:56] <DarthFrog> dazed__: yes.  Linux can't yet safely write to NTFS partitions.
[08:56] <geneo93> hmmm my juk wont worky now
[08:56] <dazed__> hwo do u launch ndiswrapper...no success in command
[08:56] <netpuppy> DarthFrog: yes it can
[08:56] <dazed__> damn...
[08:56] <WebMaven_> DarthFrog, what do I need to do?
[08:56] <netpuppy> DarthFrog: very limited though
[08:56] <geneo93> GNAM:  kernel.org
[08:56] <DarthFrog> dazed__:  Apt-get it.
[08:56] <dazed__> so im going to have to re partition out another ext3 file system for my Linux downloads lol
[08:56] <garrut> netpuppy, my old xorg.conf didn't work for some reason, but it's basically the same now
[08:57] <WebMaven_> DarthFrog, what do I need to do?
[08:57] <netpuppy> garrut: doesn't make much sense to me... maybe dual display support got removed in 2.10? ;)
[08:58] <DarthFrog> WebMaven_:
[08:58] <DarthFrog> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper
[08:58] <streetbmx> can someone help me. i totally pucked up my grub install.
[08:58] <netpuppy> ahh... or maybe the ubuntu binaries aren't compiled with xinerama support
[08:58] <garrut> netpuppy, everything works just fine, it's just the window list, because it shows windows from both screens there are like a billion windows in it :)
[08:59] <netpuppy> garrut: yeah, I get it
[08:59] <netpuppy> garrut: I think you'll have to recompile gnome-panel or/and metacity with xinerama dev packages installed
[09:00] <garrut> yeah i could give that a try
[09:01] <garrut> last night i installed xcompmgr, that works great
[09:01] <garrut> brb
[09:03] <geneo93> dazed__:  i over here chatting in beshare atm
[09:05] <DarthFrog> dazed__: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/hwcursor
[09:05] <WebMaven_> DarthFrog, darn, the driver is a self-extracting executable.
[09:06] <DarthFrog> WebMaven_: Try just unzipping it.
[09:06] <dazed__> beshare geno93?
[09:06] <geneo93> yeah its a file sharing chat app for beos
[09:07] <dazed__> cool cool
[09:07] <geneo93> dazed__:  i have a client for linux
[09:07] <lizdeika> there is one for linux too. PyChat
[09:08] <dazed__> is it a good file sharing program?
[09:08] <geneo93> i use unizone has much more power
[09:08] <WebMaven_> DarthFrog, no go.
[09:09] <geneo93> well used to be when we had many users dazed__
[09:10] <DarthFrog> WebMaven_: Sorry, I've never done it myself.
[09:10] <DarthFrog> We
[09:10] <membreya> anyone here know if I add a module that's loaded as part of the kernel, will it stop loading?
[09:10] <WebMaven_> DarthFrog, I guess I'll switch to win to get the driver. bbl.
[09:10] <membreya> ie I want to disable agpart so nvagp can load
[09:11] <DarthFrog> membreya: If it's compiled into the kernel, you're out of luck.
[09:11] <DarthFrog> membreya: You could always rename the agpgart.ko file to something else. :-)
[09:12] <geneo93> if you use the nvidia kernel it aint
[09:12] <dazed__> lol i understand
[09:12] <membreya> what do you mean geneo93 ?
[09:13] <geneo93> nvidia kernel headers
[09:13] <membreya> see my dmesg shows "NVRM: not using NVAGP, an AGPGART backend is loaded!"
[09:13] <garrut> where do i put my mousethemes again?
[09:13] <geneo93> mine worked fine out of the box
[09:14] <membreya> and I'm only getting 460fps on glxgears :|
[09:14] <geneo93> only
[09:14] <membreya> geneo93: it's an amd64 3200 with a geforce4000 (yes crappy vid but hey)
[09:15] <geneo93> 6463 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1292.600 FPS
[09:15] <Anubis> anyone here with a MS intellimouse that does not scroll?
[09:15] <membreya> see geneo93
[09:16] <membreya> nope, mine works perfectly Anubis, I even have the side wheels doing stuff :)
[09:16] <ghostie> hi, doesnt apt-get work on the live cd?
[09:16] <Anubis> I don't have side wheels
[09:16] <ghostie> i get: E: Method http has died unexpectedly
[09:16] <ghostie> when doing apt-get update
[09:16] <Anubis> just a very simple optical usb MS intllimouse
[09:17] <membreya> geneo93: in your dmesg, does it say it's using nvagp or agpart?
[09:17] <geneo93> membreya:  where did you get nvidia drivers
[09:17] <Anubis> membreya, I'd like to see your relevant xorg.conf section
[09:18] <dazed__> is the windows partition always going to be hda1?
[09:18] <geneo93> yes dazed
[09:19] <membreya> geneo93: http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux.html
[09:19] <dazed__> i got this error when trying to mount my ntfs 'wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock, on /dev/hda1, or too many mounted file systems'
[09:21] <dazed__> sudo mount /dev/hda1 /media/windows -t ntfs -o umask=0222
[09:21] <quarupt> membreya, your using ATI/
[09:21] <quarupt> ?
[09:22] <dazed||lap> geno93: still around?
[09:22] <quarupt> dazed what does uname -a   say?
[09:23] <geneo91> damn dun
[09:23] <quarupt> membreya, you using ATI?
[09:23] <membreya> grrrrf
[09:23] <membreya> quarupt: nope, nvidia
[09:23] <quarupt> k
[09:23] <dazed||lap> Linux initiaL 2.6.8.1-3-386 #1 Tue Oct 12 12:41:57 BST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux
[09:23] <dazed||lap> quarupt:
[09:23] <quarupt> are you sure that the FS you are mounting is NTFS?
[09:24] <dazed||lap> wellihave an ntfs filesystem
[09:24] <membreya> why don't you just do a mount -t auto ?
[09:24] <dazed||lap> and i want to mount it
[09:24] <quarupt> i know
[09:24] <dazed||lap> so yes
[09:24] <quarupt> do me a favor print your partition table in #flood
[09:24] <dazed||lap> membreya where does it mount to with that?
[09:25] <dazed||lap> quarupt: hwo cna i bring up my part table
[09:25] <membreya> obviously you have to do a sudo mount -t auto /dev/hda1 /media/mountpoint
[09:25] <geneo91> maybe media
[09:25] <membreya> dazed__: do a sudo fdisk -l
[09:26] <quarupt> goto flood and do /exec -o sudo fdisk -l
[09:26] <quarupt> that wont work
[09:26] <quarupt> cause sudo
[09:26] <quarupt> damn it
[09:26] <dazed||lap> ok my windows is FAT and my hda2 is my ntfs
[09:26] <dazed||lap> thats where it went wrong
[09:26] <membreya> :P
[09:26] <quarupt> I knew we could resolve it by looking at yur partition table
[09:26] <membreya> face red there dazed||lap ? :P
[09:27] <dazed||lap> lil bit
[09:27] <dazed||lap> lol
[09:27] <quarupt> heh
[09:27] <geneo91> he didn't say he had two windows in stalled
[09:27] <quarupt> Man i wish wine installed automatically with all the winetools
[09:28] <quarupt> he might not, maybe just one system part and one for storage
[09:29] <geneo91> well i know xp uses a dos type partition for boot
[09:29] <quarupt> screw MS
[09:29] <quarupt> Im sick of it
[09:29] <geneo91> fat i mean
[09:29] <dazed__> geno91: i only have one windows installed
[09:29] <quarupt> I want all software compaies to start looking to the future and start porting everything for linux
[09:29] <dazed__> when installing windows it automatically parted out FAT for the windows and NTFS for the storage
[09:29] <dazed__> yeah
[09:30] <geneo91> yup my words also
[09:30] <quarupt> I would kill for Dreamweaver in linux
[09:30] <quarupt> Wine is too broken to do it
[09:30] <geneo91> i have 98se just 5 gig out of 366 gigs
[09:30] <dazed__> ok i have downloaded drivers for my wireless lan card and the only .INF files in the folder are AUTORUN and lsbcmnds ... any ideas which either would be?
[09:31] <quarupt> maybe you need ndiswrapper
[09:31] <dazed__> i know i need ndiswrapper
[09:31] <geneo91> dazed reboot the thing
[09:31] <dazed__> but im just exploring so i know where to point ndiswrapper
[09:31] <ian> checking how to run the C++ preprocessor... /lib/cpp  -- configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[09:31] <Gandalfar> I have a computer without cdrom drive or floppy disk. Are there any usb netinstall images for hoary?
[09:31] <geneo91> and see if they load
[09:32] <ctr> ian: have you got the develloper tools installed?
[09:32] <cef> daniels: hey, you about?
[09:32] <quarupt> can your BIOS boot a usb device?
[09:32] <ian> ctr: probably not, I've added a few random packages since cd install
[09:32] <ian> ctr: which ones?
[09:33] <ian> cpp is rather old:  cpp (GCC) 3.2.2 20030222
[09:33] <geneo91> ian:  what about boot lan first
[09:33] <quarupt> whats a good graphical C++ enviroment app?
[09:34] <geneo91> pqt designer
[09:34] <daniels> cef	yo
[09:34] <membreya> damn agpart hurting my system :(
[09:35] <quarupt> pqt designer?
[09:35] <WebMaven_> DarthFrog, I have the driver, but which of the following files is it: rt2500.cat Rt2500.INF rt2500.sys ?
[09:35] <quarupt> inf
[09:35] <quarupt> inf is a windows driver
[09:36] <cef> daniels: got a weird ass laptop screen for you.. 1440 x 900
[09:36] <WebMaven_> quarupt, where on my system should I put it?
[09:36] <dazed__> lol
[09:36] <quarupt> I dunno, look into ndiswrapper docs
[09:36] <cef> daniels: warty gets the res right, but of course, there is no mode entries for it.. so it pushes it down the list to 1400 x 1050
[09:36] <ian> ctr: is there a special developer tools package or are you talking about autoconf/automake etc.?
[09:36] <visor> do you guys know if gnome (in ubuntu) uses other file-monitor software (iirc it used to use fam) because it seems that nautilus doesnt update new entries at least in the desktop
[09:36] <dazed__> WebMaven_ u need ndiswrapper to load it
[09:36] <daniels> cef: hmm ... what sort of chipset?
[09:37] <geneo91> maybe its just qt designer in here
[09:37] <WebMaven_> dazed__, yes, I got this page from DarthFrog: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper
[09:37] <cef> daniels: nvidia GeForce2Go 5200FX
[09:37] <daniels> cef: hmm, bong
[09:37] <daniels> let me check out if it works in hoary
[09:37] <dazed__> yes i read it too
[09:38] <WebMaven_> but it doesn't say where on the FS to put the driver (for consistencies sake, at least).
[09:38] <cef> daniels: well mainly just the lcd res is the issue..
[09:38] <quarupt> how do ya start ftpd /etc/init.d/ftpd doesnt exist?
[09:38] <cef> daniels: currently dual boot so I can check things in XP if necessary
[09:38] <scizzo> y0
[09:39] <membreya> oooo nvidia also has updated nforce drivers out :)
[09:39] <membreya> means not having to use forcedeth anymore but using nvnet :)
[09:39] <daniels> cef: yeah
[09:39] <WebMaven_> where do drivers go, according to the linux filesystem layout convention?
[09:40] <geneo91> hehe i have 7 oses on this box
[09:40] <dazed__> jeeze geno91
[09:40] <quarupt> is there a way to get Java Desktop for Linux?
[09:40] <cef> daniels: of course, currently i has warty on it.. going to upgrade to hoary soonish
[09:40] <dazed__> cant pick one?
[09:40] <dazed__> lol
[09:41] <geneo91> 4 linux distros 2 beos and only 5 gig for windows
[09:41] <Anubis> whats the cmd to have X generate a xorg.conf file?
[09:41] <ctr> ian: as in binutils, gcc and chums
[09:41] <WebMaven_> quarupt, DarthFrog, dazed__, where do I put the driver?
[09:42] <Adross> how do i add beep media player skins?
[09:42] <dazed__> have u loaded it with ndiswrapper?
[09:42] <membreya> dang, forcedeth is compiled in my module .. I don't wanna recompile my kernel :'(
[09:42] <aspuru>  nvidia is broken in hoary with kernel 2.6.10-26 (possibly more) <--- just to check... one gets a black screen?
[09:42] <WebMaven_> dazed__, you're not listening.
[09:43] <dazed__> i dont get what ur saying
[09:43] <geneo91> aspuru:  its not mine is fine
[09:43] <WebMaven_> before I load it with ndiswrapper, I need to put it on my FS somewhere. Where do I put it?
[09:43] <dazed__> u get the driver
[09:43] <dazed__> and then u load it with ndiswrapper
[09:43] <aspuru> WebMaven: The drivers are installed in a default location after using ndiswrapper -i
[09:43] <dazed__> and it should config the device to work after that
[09:43] <aspuru> don't worry about it
[09:43] <Anubis> whats the cmd to have X generate a xorg.conf file?
[09:43] <dazed__> anywhere u want
[09:43] <cef> daniels: well I can visit with said lappy too btw
[09:43] <dazed__> desktop
[09:43] <aspuru> geneo91: ok: my nvidia setup ended up with a black screen no matter what I do
[09:44] <aspuru> WebMaben: /tmp :P
[09:44] <dazed__> doesnt matter where u put it
[09:44] <dazed__> /home/user/anywhere
[09:44] <garrut> aspuru, use the new 7167
[09:44] <WebMaven_> Ah, I see. Thank you. Sounds like it should have been called ndisinstaller.
[09:44] <aspuru> garrut: You mean, installing by hand and not using synaptic?
[09:44] <geneo91> aspuru:  did you follow instructions
[09:45] <aspuru> geneo91: yep. followed instructions from forums/ faq.
[09:45] <garrut> yeah i think synaptic still gets the old ones
[09:45] <aspuru> geneo91:  My system modprobes the nvidia module at boot
[09:45] <aspuru> geneo91:  Activated thigns with nvidia-glx-config
[09:46] <aspuru> and it doesn't work...
[09:46] <geneo91> hmmm wonder why mine works fine with 6629 then
[09:46] <quarupt> GRRR I wanna install the Star Office 8 Beta but, its a script based install, that calls rpms????
[09:46] <Anubis> whats the cmd to have X generate a xorg.conf file?
[09:46] <membreya> will adding modules to /etc/modules override the modules inbuilt in the kernel?
[09:46] <aspuru> garrut: ok. I will install by hand then :) I assume I have to remove all the .debs related to nvidia? or shall I leave them and they are overwritten?
[09:47] <garrut> yeah just run the installer
[09:47] <geneo91> quarupt:  use alien
[09:47] <quarupt> geneo91, how, the script calls rpms not debs and its over 20 packages
[09:47] <ian> ctr: got libtools-dev but that didn't do it
[09:47] <geneo91> hehe i install java with rpm
[09:48] <aspuru> thanks garrut :)
[09:48] <quarupt> id have to edit the script and alien every package
[09:48] <daniels> cef: ah yeah, my home situation is a little fluid these days unfortunately
[09:48] <aspuru> i'll do it tomorrow :P
[09:48] <garrut> Anubis: xorgconfig
[09:48] <quarupt> so did i but that was just one package
[09:48] <ctr> ian: you need to install the various developer packages
[09:48] <cef> daniels: well I'm going to hoary anyway.. would it be worth it to do it via a new install (nothing I need to keep on it) or will a dist-upgrade still provide useful into
[09:48] <quarupt> membreya, ya there?
[09:48] <ctr> ian: like gcc, cpp, etc
[09:48] <cef> daniels: doh!
[09:48] <_axel> i noticed that if you build the nvidia kernel module using nvidia-kernel-source from sid and kernel-package,the module gets installed in /lib/modules/2.6.10, but the right location would be /lib/modules/2.6.10-4-386, so you have to do cp /lib/modules/2.6.10/nvidia/nvidia.ko /lib/modules/2.6.10-4-386/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko... any workaround for this when building the package?
[09:48] <cef> daniels: so moved again?
[09:49] <daniels> cef: in the middle of doing so, yeah
[09:49] <geneo91> quarupt:  just get it in rpm
[09:49] <WebMaven_> Hmm.
[09:49] <daniels> cef: both would be useful, really
[09:49] <cef> daniels: no fun
[09:49] <WebMaven_> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-4-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted
[09:49] <daniels> cef: ah well, it'll be over eventually
[09:49] <aspuru> WEb: did you do it with su ?
[09:49] <aspuru> sudo i mean
[09:49] <cef> daniels: I'll try a dist upgrade first.. then if it's still crap, I'll see about doing a new install using the preview
[09:49] <WebMaven_> aspuru, did it as root
[09:49] <daniels> cef: sure, thanks a heap :) probably just needs a wacky modeline
[09:49] <membreya> im here quarupt
[09:50] <dazed__> WebMaven_ did u apt-get it?
[09:50] <quarupt> geneo91, what do you mean, there is only one installer its a script that launches a gui, then the gui tells you its going to install like 20 packages, then it fails cause there all RPM's
[09:50] <dazed__> or u trying to compile it urself?
[09:50] <WebMaven_> dazed__, yes.
[09:50] <cef> daniels: that's what I'm guessing.. 1440 x 900 is the lcd's native res anyway
[09:50] <quarupt> membreya, can you help with this maybe?
[09:50] <daniels> cef: yeah
[09:50] <dazed__> yes what?
[09:50] <dazed__> u apt-get it ?
[09:50] <aspuru> quarupt: openoffice <grin>
[09:50] <WebMaven_> dazed__, apt-get
[09:50] <dazed__> hmm
[09:50] <quarupt> No, I wanna try Star Office
[09:50] <dazed__> awkward
[09:51] <quarupt> The system requirments dont say anything about need RPM
[09:51] <geneo91> quarupt:  maybe you can use kpackage
[09:51] <quarupt> needing
[09:51] <dazed__> type 'sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper' exactly
[09:51] <quarupt> whats kpackage
[09:51] <ian> ctr: those seem to all be in place.  I mean /lib/cpp exists...
[09:51] <WebMaven_> dazed__, I did it with synaptic.
[09:51] <quarupt> Im not trying to install an RPM
[09:51] <geneo91> package handler for kde
[09:51] <quarupt> im using a script that is ttrying to Install many RPM's
[09:52] <quarupt> you have to try to install it to see what I mean
[09:52] <cef> daniels: got any pointers on what modeline to add? (or even just details on creating said modeline)
[09:52] <aspuru> quarupt: If you "really" want to do it, you could even build your own RPM database. I have built an RPM database on a supercomputer running AIX :) everyhing is possible :P
[09:52] <quarupt> https://sdlcweb4a.sun.com/ECom/EComActionServlet/LegalPage:~:com.sun.sunit.sdlc.content.LegalWebPageInfo;jsessionid=475F9D2EBDC3CB30E2300855E9C06EF3;jsessionid=475F9D2EBDC3CB30E2300855E9C06EF3
[09:52] <geneo91> it'll do any kinda of package even tar.gz
[09:52] <quarupt> try to run the script you will know what I mean
[09:52] <WebMaven_> dazed__, ndiswrapper isn't found, I installed ndiswrapper-utils
[09:53] <geneo91> quarupt:  i have before way back at 5.2
[09:53] <dazed__> ok then do that
[09:53] <quarupt> membreya, can ya try to install it to see what I mean?
[09:53] <dazed__> i dunno why its not permitting u
[09:53] <dazed__> if u do it sudo
[09:53] <dazed__> it should work
[09:53] <quarupt> geneo91, this is different the installer is different
[09:53] <dwa_> are you talking about the module WebMaven_ ?
[09:53] <ctr> ian: check config.log and see what is causing it to fail
[09:53] <daniels> cef: no ideas, sorry -- usually the best answer is google
[09:54] <daniels> cef: modelines are generally beyond me
[09:54] <geneo91> na its the same old thing
[09:54] <ian> ctr: cc1plus
[09:54] <dballester> hi to all
[09:54] <daniels> anyway, I've gotta find myself some food, bbiab
[09:54] <dwa_> the module is in another package
[09:54] <ctr> ian: ahhh, apt-get install g++ :)
[09:54] <ian> ctr: thank you :)
[09:54] <WebMaven_> Hmm.
[09:54] <WebMaven_> sudo ndiswrapper -l
[09:54] <WebMaven_> Installed ndis drivers:
[09:54] <WebMaven_> rt2500  invalid driver!
[09:54] <geneo91> quarupt:  sun dont make a debian package
[09:54] <ctr> ian: I have had that problem before myself, I knew is was relatively straight forward
[09:54] <quarupt> its so hard to explain the problem, someone just needs to try and install it
[09:55] <iSuperman> what read speed should I be getting with hdparm on a properly configured 16x DVD reader?
[09:55] <cef> daniels: ahh well.. pity there isn't a windows prog that you could run and get it to spit out a modeline for the current display settings
[09:55] <ian> ctr: I'll be at this for a while.  this app has lots of fancy/new/rare dependencies ;)
[09:55] <quarupt> geneo91, I have been trying to tell you, ITS NOT AN RPM its a script based installer (.sh) its just calling RPM's during the install
[09:55] <WebMaven_> dazed__, any advice?
[09:56] <dazed__> im trying now
[09:56] <aspuru> good nite!
[09:56] <geneo91> well then it not for debian then
[09:56] <dazed__> im doing it myself
[09:56] <quarupt> its not for any specific distro
[09:56] <cef> daniels: any decent local/fast mirrors in au?
[09:56] <dazed__> it set up fine for me i went into ngnome terminal and typed 'sudo apt-get instal ndiswrapper-utils'
[09:56] <quarupt> the system requirments dont even say you need RPM
[09:56] <dazed__> and it worked fine
[09:57] <quarupt> SOMEONE PLZ try this http://www.sun.com/software/star/staroffice/beta/get.xml
[09:57] <iSuperman> cef: has your isp got a mirror?
[09:57] <membreya> what's the easiest way to tell what module my network card is using?
[09:57] <cef> iSuperman: optus? not that I know of
[09:57] <WebMaven_> Well, ndiswrapper-utils does seem to be installed correctly. But it's not installing the driver when I tell it to.
[09:57] <cef> iSuperman: nup
[09:57] <ctr> ian: just shout if you need help, what app if I may ask ?
[09:57] <geneo91> guar i bet there is a diff one for deb based distros
[09:58] <quarupt> no if ya look at the link theres only one installer
[09:58] <iSuperman> cef: i missed what you were after, ubuntu?
[09:58] <WebMaven_> sudo ndiswrapper -e rt2500
[09:58] <WebMaven_> sudo ndiswrapper -l
[09:58] <WebMaven_> No drivers installed
[09:58] <cef> iSuperman: yeah.. ubuntu mirror.. 17k a sec isn't fast
[09:58] <quarupt> Maybe theres an option you can use tith the script so it doesnt use RPMs
[09:58] <WebMaven_> so, uninstalling the bad driver works
[09:59] <WebMaven_> and, actually, installing it works to, except it says it's a bad driver.
[10:00] <quarupt> there must be a way to install this package on debian
[10:00] <WebMaven_> so, maybe the inf file is the wrong one?
[10:01] <dazed__> ok my network card does not have a .inf for it
[10:01] <dazed__> my wireless card*(
[10:01] <geneo91> quarupt:  http://supportforum.sun.com/staroffice/index.php?t=msg&goto=7534&rid=0
[10:02] <iSuperman> cef: http://ftp.debian.pacific.net.au/ubuntu/
[10:02] <WebMaven_> dazed__, Aha! I figured it out!
[10:02] <iSuperman> cef: I use internode and their mirror hammers...
[10:02] <dazed__> did u get ur wireless card up?
[10:02] <WebMaven_> ndiswrapper needs all files in the le.same directory, even when you just give it the inf fi
[10:03] <WebMaven_> the inf file.
[10:03] <WebMaven_> testing..
[10:03] <dballester> WebWaven, i doesn't read all thread, but are trying to install a ralink based wireless ?
[10:03] <cef> iSuperman: ahh cool.. yeah internode rocks.. unfortunately I'm on optus here.. not my choice (housemates)
[10:03] <dazed__> i ndiswrapper'd my lsbcmnds.inf which i dont think is the .inf do i need all the other stuff?
[10:04] <geneo91> quarupt:  its just beta thats why
[10:04] <quarupt> Yea but only way to get Star Office free that I have seen
[10:04] <WebMaven_> dazed__, looks like it.
[10:05] <WebMaven_> Going offline, be back in a bit.
[10:05] <geneo91> yup did you read that whole thing about it crashing leaving no xplanation
[10:06] <quarupt> well if I could find 7 for free i would use it
[10:07] <djp> hi ubuntu world!
[10:08] <geneo91> quarupt:  mldonkey has it i believe
[10:08] <geneo91> opps
[10:08] <quarupt> whats mldonkey, a P2P?
[10:08] <geneo91> yeah
[10:08] <dballester> hi to all. I'm trying to install ubuntu in a Dell PowerEdge with Perc Raid adapter, but installation doesn't load megaraid module and i cans't see the hard disks. Any tip in how to load the megaraid driver?
[10:08] <djp> right... i would like to know how you go about fixing the default version of cdrecord that comes with warty! it is apparently, a modified version and tells me the device is busy along with other strange warnings... any help most appreciated
[10:08] <geneo91> shh
[10:09] <WebMaven__> Whoo!
[10:09] <WebMaven__> I'm back online, via wireless!
[10:10] <dballester> WebMaven what wireless devire are you using?
[10:10] <dazed__> WebMaven__
[10:10] <dazed__> nnow ur going to have to help me
[10:10] <dazed__> lol
[10:10] <dazed__> i have a folder with all the .inf .sys .cat files that i downloaded as drivers for my wlan card
[10:11] <dazed__> i used ndiswrapper to install both .inf files
[10:11] <dballester> dazed__ whaht wireloess device are webmaven__
[10:11] <dballester> ops
[10:11] <dazed__> its still not picking up my card
[10:11] <dballester> what wireless device is using webmaven__/dazed__ ?
[10:12] <dazed__> im using Linksys Wireless G with speedbooster
[10:12] <djp> anyone use cdrecord here?
[10:13] <HcE> djp: I do
[10:13] <dballester> this device is ralink chipset based? I read before that webmaven__ was trying to use rt2500 deriver
[10:13] <membreya> hooray, using blacklist I now have nvsound and nvnet loading as modules :D
[10:15] <djp> HcE: just read that there is a bug report regards cdrecord
[10:15] <HcE> djp: ok, I'm on a Debian system now, and cdrecord worked fine yesterday
[10:16] <djp> HcE: sure. there is a debian version that you can download to fix the issue... i am reading the bug report and that appears to attempt to fix the modified version in ubuntu...
[10:16] <HcE> djp: debian are at version 2.01+01a01-2
[10:17] <sleg> hello
[10:18] <sleg> does anybody know how to change the kernel at the install ??
[10:18] <sleg> with ubuntu hoary
[10:18] <scizzo> sleg: depends on what kernel?
[10:18] <scizzo> sleg: did you read the F1 and so on text?
[10:19] <sleg> I want to boot on 2.6.10
[10:19] <scizzo> sleg: there is help in the install directly when you start....you just have to press F1 and so on
[10:19] <scizzo> that you will have to get after...I guess
[10:19] <sleg> yes but I didn't find anything for this !
[10:20] <sleg> because I try to install ubuntu on my dell inspiron 6000
[10:20] <scizzo> ok?
[10:20] <sleg> ubuntu doesn't find the CD player
[10:20] <scizzo> but if you install the normal kernel and then after upgrade to 2.6.10?
[10:21] <sleg> I can't install it !
[10:21] <scizzo> sleg: is the bios correctly setup then?
[10:22] <sleg> yes I think (I tried knoppix that found the CD player (with another error :(
[10:22] <WebMaven__> is there a wireless network monitor applet?
[10:22] <scizzo> hmmm...I think you should look at the bios again and see how you have setup the boot devices
[10:23] <quarupt> who uses mldonkey?
[10:23] <sleg> I do boot on the CD but during the install, when ubuntu try to load modules, it fails
[10:23] <scizzo> for example my Toshiba needs to be told what device to boot on startup...if I don't tell it to F3 or something and then boot from CDrom then it will auto boot from the harddrive
[10:23] <scizzo> sleg: what error is that then?
[10:23] <scizzo> sleg: that it can't find the CD?
[10:24] <sleg> It says : "No commun CDROM drives was detected"
[10:24] <scizzo> sleg: I had that problem also....when burning the CD to hard....if I burned the CD with x8 then it was no problem..but using x16 or something like that...then a lot of information got badly burned on the CD
[10:25] <scizzo> sleg: it seems that burning to hard makes the CD go haywire sometimes...
[10:25] <sleg> but it seems that my CD player is SATA. (I'm not sure)
[10:26] <scizzo> sleg: I tried 4 times and soon I found out that it was that I had used a to fast burning that the CD got weird....the install told me that "Can't find any CDrom bla bla bla"
[10:26] <scizzo> sleg: have you tried to use the same install CD to install on some other computer?
[10:26] <sleg> OK, I will try again with a CDR (now I use a CDRW) and slow burning
[10:27] <sleg> no, you're right, I will try
[10:28] <sleg> thank a lot.
[10:28] <djp> ok, how do you go about using an interdiff file?
[10:30] <WebMaven__> ok folks, bye. Thanks for all the help!
[10:30] <slime-_> im trying to install vmware workstation 4.5.2 on ubuntu. i have gcc/g++, i have the linux-source and have it unzipped. the install asks for the location of the kernel headers so i put /usr/src/linux/include and it tells me that directory doesnt have the directories it would expect (net, linux, asm). these directories are in there! anyone have a similar issue?
[10:32] <quarupt> geneo91,  ya there?
[10:32] <geneo91> yeah i'm here
[10:32] <geneo91> just shootin the crap in beshare
[10:33] <djp> anyone help me applying the .diff patch recommended @ https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2023
[10:33] <FAST> so, if xine is in full screen and happens to freeze up, whats the best way to kill it?   i did ctrl+alt+backspace, but id rather not have to restart gnome
[10:34] <ian> FAST: best way is from a second computer :)
[10:35] <geneo91> ctrl alt delete
[10:35] <quarupt> geneo91, did ya get my msg?
[10:35] <geneo91> what about
[10:36] <quarupt> it was a PM
[10:36] <geneo91> damn just wiped it
[10:36] <quarupt> lol
[10:36] <geneo91> well i went to click it and hit the x
[10:37] <quarupt> how about that one
[10:37] <geneo91> oh you need to start it in terminal just type mlnet
[10:37] <Zotnix> mm... will feel weird next month upgrading to grumpy.
[10:38] <geneo91> hit enter
[10:38] <quarupt> ok
[10:38] <quarupt> and then?
[10:38] <quarupt> start the gui?
[10:38] <geneo91> Zotnix:  does that mean you reach 60
[10:39] <geneo91> quarupt:  yes
[10:39] <quarupt> I can only get it to connect to one server, is there a way to update the server list or something?
[10:39] <Zotnix> Reach 60?
[10:40] <quitte> jbailey: hi. can you help me get the glibc snapshot from experimental? i can'T find it.
[10:40] <Zotnix> Why grumpy? Why not gregarious goundhog.
[10:40] <geneo91> but when you want to quit you have to kill mlnet so it dont eat all your bandwidth
[10:40] <geneo91> jbailey:  hello
[10:41] <quarupt> geneo91, how can i refresh the server list?
[10:42] <djp> anyone know how to patch files under Linux?
[10:42] <geneo91> in the top box just right click
[10:42] <scizzo> djp: depends..
[10:42] <geneo91> gives you menu
[10:42] <scizzo> djp: patch --help
[10:43] <shmoolik> hello
[10:43] <shmoolik> who can i load xcompmgr on Gnome start
[10:43] <djp> scizzo: trying to apply this patch https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2023
[10:43] <shmoolik> how*
[10:44] <djp> scizzo: trying to work out how to use the patch command by reading Linux in a Nutshell, but this is getting rather complicated!
[10:44] <YoussefAssad> good morning people
[10:45] <scizzo> djp: dpkg -l | grep cdrtools
[10:45] <garrut> shmoolik: system - preferences - sessions
[10:45] <cef> daniels: upgrading to hoary/xorg, then rerunning 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' fixed it.
[10:45] <djp> scizzo: thanks. what does that command actually do?
[10:45] <scizzo> djp: Fixed in: cdrtools (4:2.0+a30.pre1-1ubuntu3)
[10:46] <shmoolik> garrut, thanks
[10:46] <scizzo> djp: what version of cdrtools?
[10:46] <YoussefAssad> I was wondering what policy ubuntu's technical board uses in selecting packages for the base/default install. Does anyone have information in this regard?
[10:46] <scizzo> djp: it tells you the version you have..
[10:46] <djp> scizzo: mine is 2 instead of 3
[10:46] <djp> scizzo: however the 1ubuntu3 version is for hoary
[10:47] <daniels> cef: ah, rad :)
[10:47] <scizzo> djp: no... warty; urgency=low
[10:47] <djp> scizzo: to be clear my version is (4:2.0+a30.pre1-1ubuntu2)
[10:48] <djp> scizzo: so there is not a fix for warty i gather?
[10:48] <scizzo> djp: yes...but the version 3 is suppose to be for warty
[10:48] <cef> now, .. atheros wireless chipset.. *sigh*
[10:48] <scizzo> but can you tell me the complete version
[10:48] <djp> scizzo: hmmm, strange... where do i find that version? any ideas?
[10:49] <scizzo> just tell me the version please...
[10:49] <scizzo> that you got
[10:50] <djp> scizzo: version 4:2.0+a30.pre1-lubuntu2
[10:52] <scizzo> seems like this change only came into hoary then
[10:52] <geneo91> quarupt:  you get it to work
[10:52] <scizzo> djp: what happens when you run: cdrecord dev=ATAPI: -scanbus
[10:52] <scizzo> ?
[10:53] <scizzo> does it say that your resource is busy?
[10:54] <djp> scizzo: error trying to open /dev/hda device busy etc, etc,
[10:55] <djp> scizzo: yep!
[10:55] <scizzo> ok
[10:56] <Smeven> i compiled gnomevfs with howl support and nautilus still doesnt seem to work with it
[10:57] <djp> scizzo: i have the universe, multiverse, debian and backports directories all working fine in my sources.list, however the only version of cdrtools available to me is the one i mentioned?
[10:57] <scizzo> djp:
[10:57] <scizzo> djp: I have seen that
[10:59] <Smeven> libhowl shows up linked to the lib
[11:00] <Smeven> (gnomevfs)
[11:00] <Smeven> but it doesnt seem to see network services still
[11:00] <dizzie> Morning all :)
[11:00] <djp> scizzo: would you recommend using the hoary version?
[11:00] <Smeven> hello
[11:01] <scizzo> djp: not sure...
[11:01] <scizzo> djp: seems like I can't find the cd burner here...
[11:02] <scizzo> djp: not sure what you should do actually
[11:02] <scizzo> that patch... I am not completely sure how to do that
[11:03] <djp> scizzo: i have just come across this supposed solution http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=16463&highlight=cdrecord
[11:03] <djp> scizzo: maybe that would be the safest way to go...
[11:04] <garrut> is anyone here successfully using the lexmark z600 printer driver?
[11:04] <djp> scizzo: would you recommend uninstalling the current version of cdrecord before installing the debian version?
[11:04] <rcrain72> anyone here usin Ubuntu(linux)??????????
[11:04] <dwa_> lol
[11:04] <scizzo> hehe
[11:04] <geneo91> na i'm in beos
[11:05] <scizzo> djp: don't actually know..the thing is that it is linked to other things...I would install the debian one first and then fix the rest
[11:06] <djp> scizzo, ok thanks for your help anyway
[11:06] <geneo91> jbailey:  is that really you
[11:10] <scizzo> djp: tried the debian thingy now..seems to work
[11:11] <scizzo> rcrain72: you are in the channel for ubuntu I think at least one or two is using the distro here
[11:12] <djp> scizzo: did you just install it over the original version?
[11:12] <scizzo> yes
[11:12] <geneo91> oh i thought this was a windows only channel
[11:13] <djp> scizzo: thanks very much. will get on and do the same...
[11:15] <cef> ok, how do I get an ssh connection going as a desktop link?
[11:15] <slime-_> i downloaded the linux-source and am running make-kpkg. 2 questions... 1: is this supposed to take sooo long? 2: this isnt overwriting/changing anything right? i have to run a different command to actually implement this kernel im builing?
[11:16] <djp> scizzo: thanks. looks like ot fixes things. once again, thanks for all your time with that scizzo...
[11:19] <geneo91> but most know ms code
[11:20] <geneo91> opps
[11:21] <linux_galore> ssh  joe_bloggs@192.168.2.101   then login  thats it
[11:22] <linux_galore> need to have ssh server running on the remote host though
[11:23] <xamdm> is http://ubuntuguide.org dead ??
[11:25] <geneo91> xamdm:  its ok here
[11:26] <xamdm> thx, now im able to connect again, strange ;-)
[11:30] <niran> has anyone dealt with the radeon driver complaining about agpgart not being loaded yet?
[11:31] <niran> i don't want to file another bug that's not actually a bug
[11:38] <Gervystar> hi, i've just downloaded the ppc hoary preview, but i'm still not able to install it on our iMac G5. The installer hangs as it can not find a cdrom drive. Any hints/known issues about that?
[11:40] <rcrain72> hey yall
[11:40] <rcrain72> anyone know were i can get updates for Ubuntu?
[11:40] <rcrain72> and any messenger services apart from gaim?
[11:41] <dizzie> aMSN ?
[11:41] <rcrain72> were get dat from?
[11:41] <thefish> rcrain72, apt?
[11:42] <marko_> hello
[11:43] <marko_> is anybody here who can give me some support with my soundsystem
[11:43] <dizzie> Nothing wrong with Gaim tbh, and hi marko_
[11:43] <thefish> marko_, just ask
[11:43] <garrut> is anyone here successfully using the lexmark z600 printer driver?
[11:45] <marko_> I installed hoary hedge...everything works (mostly hehe) fine but there is no sound... i already checked the alsamixer, but nothing...hmmm...
[11:45] <marko_> xmms breaks, whenever I tried to play mp3...
[11:46] <dizzie> open your mixer, is the alsa device selected ?
[11:46] <scizzo> marko_: mp3 is a restrictedformat also
[11:46] <scizzo> marko_: look at the wiki and find the section about RestrictedFormats
[11:47] <marko_> yes... it detects my c-media chipset and everything is on
[11:47] <Myrtti> marko_: libmikmods
[11:48] <Myrtti> try to launch xmms from terminal
[11:48] <Myrtti> you get some idea about what might be wrong
[11:48] <acidspoon> Hi @ll
[11:48] <garrut> eu
[11:49] <marko_> yeah... he can't find libmikmods
[11:49] <marko_> what's that for a package?
[11:49] <Myrtti> marko_: just get it with synaptic
[11:50] <scizzo> marko_: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:50] <Myrtti> search first
[11:52] <dexem> hi, I've lost the functionality of nautilus-scripts... It seems that nautilus don't pass correctly parameters to the scripts (neither the env vars)
[11:53] <invictus> is the "busy" cursor gone in hoary? the warty cursor was much nicer
[11:54] <Dreco> Hi All
[11:55] <Dreco> Can anyone help, I am trying to edit sources.list but this file is read only
[11:55] <Myrtti> Dreco: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:56] <slime-_> something needs kernel headers to compile, so i got them and did make-kpkg. now the program that needs them says they are for kernel 2.6.8.1 and i have 2.6.8.1-3-386 so it wont work. is there any way to fix this?
[11:57] <Dreco> Thank you Myrtti !
[11:57] <Dreco> sudo nano, who would have ever guessed :)
[11:58] <larsrohdin> hi! i just read that openoffice 1.1.4 is out, but i can't find it in my synaptic... hasn't it been added yet or do i need new repositories?
[11:58] <Anubis> I have all the right settings in xorg.conf and my wheel mouse still no scroll with the wheel?
[11:58] <Anubis> I recall it working before the Gnome 2.10 upgrade?
[11:59] <djp> scizzo: if you are about... cdrecord bug appears fixed, gnomebaker is installed and i can at last make multisession burns without any hassle! thanks!
[11:59] <Anubis> not having wheel action is sucking hard!
[11:59] <Myrtti> Anubis: hoary?
[11:59] <Anubis> yup
[11:59] <scizzo> larsrohdin: someone needs to create the packages then add it to the available packages..and so on
[11:59] <rcrain72> someone help....how do i play mp3's?????
[12:00] <scizzo> rcrain72: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:00] <rcrain72> cheers
[12:00] <Dreco> Now I get the following error when opening synaptic: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_warty_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[12:00] <rcrain72> and wtf is hoary????????
[12:01] <scizzo> rcrain72: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryHedgehog
[12:01] <geneo91> hoary is the next ubuntu
[12:01] <rcrain72> oh ok then
[12:01] <Anubis> rcrain72, wtf are you talking about? Hve you even visited the webpage?
[12:01] <rcrain72> nope
[12:01] <rcrain72> im new to ubuntu
[12:01] <larsrohdin> scizzo, ok so it will be added soon? im on warty btw, will the upgrades come to warty as well?
[12:01] <Anubis> seems to me thats the first place you go
[12:02] <scizzo> larsrohdin: ummm...that depends on how long it takes to create the packages
[12:02] <Anubis> Myrtti, Hoary what?
[12:02] <larsrohdin> scizzo, ok thanks anyway
[12:02] <scizzo> larsrohdin: and I don't think that ooffice will go into warty
[12:02] <scizzo> larsrohdin: the hoary release will come soon and maybe it will be in there...but I am not sure
[12:02] <geneo91> hoary is due around april
[12:03] <larsrohdin> ok, but ill upgrade to hoary as soon as i get my discs from ship-it... my connection is too slow to upgrade from the web...
[12:04] <geneo91> larsrohdin:  i'm on 28800 and did it here
[12:04] <Myrtti> Anubis: if you had had warty and had configured xorg.conf, then you would've been mixed up, since warty uses X86Free, not x.org
[12:04] <Myrtti> and configuring xorg.conf would've resulted in nothing
[12:04] <larsrohdin> ok, i suppose i could do it, but it would take all day... and my mom has me pay the electrical-bill if my computer is on all day=)
[12:05] <geneo91> larsrohdin:  its about 400mb to upgrade
[12:06] <larsrohdin> yeah... thats about all day=)
[12:06] <geneo91> takes me two here
[12:06] <dexem> I don't know if you have read me (I wasn't identified yet when I asked). Sorry if I disturb, but...
[12:06] <dexem> I've lost the functionality of nautilus-scripts (in hoary)... It seems that nautilus don't pass correctly parameters to the scripts (neither the env vars). Is a known bug or a misconfiguration? :P
[12:06] <larsrohdin> got to go...
[12:06] <Dreco> Any idea why I get an error if I uncomment any of the lines in sources.list ?
[12:09] <Dreco> Help anyone ? Pretty please
[12:12] <thefish> Dreco, what is the error
[12:12] <visor> Dreco: what error?
[12:12] <Anubis> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=95077#post95077
[12:14] <marko_> ok...i installed libmikmod2...xmms starts with no errors, but same problem as before...it breaks, when i'm trying to play a file...also wave doesn't work...shit..
[12:18] <marko_> lspci -v brings the following message: 0000:00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  Sound Controller (rev a0)
[12:18] <marko_>         Subsystem: Unknown device 1849:7012
[12:18] <marko_>         Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 18
[12:18] <marko_>         I/O ports at dc00 [size=256] 
[12:18] <marko_>         I/O ports at d800 [size=128] 
[12:18] <marko_>         Capabilities: [48]  Power Management version 2
[12:24] <no-program> Can't locate socket.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.4 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.4 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at ./pcany.pl line 5.
[12:24] <no-program> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at ./pcany.pl line 5.
[12:24] <no-program> someone know the solution please?
[12:24] <Dreco> Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_warty_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[12:25] <Anubis> Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"   # adding this enables the scroll wheel is not working in Hoary
[12:25] <scizzo> Dreco: that happens when running update?
[12:26] <Funraiser> OMG my mplayer can't read mkv files!!!!
[12:26] <Funraiser> freaking obnoxious
[12:26] <Dreco> that happens when opening synaptic
[12:26] <Dreco> I have uncommented the following two lines:
[12:26] <Dreco> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe
[12:26] <Dreco> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe
[12:27] <Dreco> if I comment them again there is no error
[12:28] <scizzo> Dreco: did you run reload?
[12:28] <Myrtti> if I only were at home with my ubuntu
[12:28] <Dreco> reload ? help
[12:29] <Dreco> ok found reload
[12:29] <rcrain72> how do ya install things ive forgotten....plz help????
[12:29] <Dreco> I am going to uncomment and then run reload
[12:29] <thefish> rcrain72, apt-get install whatever
[12:30] <rcrain72> ok cheers
[12:32] <no-program> nothing
[12:32] <no-program> could you someone help me?
[12:33] <thefish> 0/ Nermal
[12:33] <Nermal> lo
[12:36] <rcrain72> sorry but how do ya install aMSN?????
[12:36] <rcrain72> lol im haven a bad day
[12:36] <Bubbling_Zombie> sudo apt-get install amsn
[12:36] <Bubbling_Zombie> ?
[12:37] <Myrtti> I'd use Gimp
[12:37] <Nermal> or gaim ?
[12:37] <Bubbling_Zombie> gaim
[12:37] <Bubbling_Zombie> gimp = photo manipulation
[12:37] <apokryphos> or kopete
[12:37] <Bubbling_Zombie> enough messenger clones out there ;)
[12:38] <Myrtti> yes, gaim
[12:38] <Myrtti> sorry, trying to follow business maths class at the same time
[12:38] <rcrain72> Reading Package Lists... Done
[12:38] <rcrain72> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[12:38] <rcrain72> E: Couldn't find package amsn
[12:38] <rcrain72> comes up wit dat
[12:38] <Bubbling_Zombie> sudo apt-get update
[12:39] <Myrtti> try gaim, really
[12:39] <Bubbling_Zombie> and then the sudo apt-get install amsn
[12:39] <membreya> running warty there rcrain72 ?
[12:39] <Bubbling_Zombie> (it's there tho)
[12:39] <apokryphos> rcrain72: have you got Universe repository enabled?
[12:39] <Nermal> rcrain72, I presume you have added all the repositories to your sources.list as detailed at unbuntuguide.org
[12:40] <thekoreuk> Just installed Hoary, and so far i like it :D
[12:41] <thekoreuk> Gnome 2.10 is so nice.. and seems faster
[12:41] <rcrain72> yeah im runnin warty
[12:41] <Nermal> running*
[12:41] <membreya> i don't think warty has amsn does it ?
[12:41] <Bubbling_Zombie> no idea
[12:41] <Nermal> if you can't be bothered to type your questions properly, why should we type answers ?
[12:42] <Nermal> I need food >:|
[12:42] <Bubbling_Zombie> oh, talkin' about food
[12:42] <gilles> i have logged to a server via ssh, it works, but how can i find its directory using my terminal ?
[12:42] <Bubbling_Zombie> mine is there
[12:42] <Bubbling_Zombie> bbiab :p
[12:42] <thefish> and coffee
[12:43] <rcrain72> cheers guys for ya help
[12:43] <rcrain72> talk to yas later
[12:43] <rcrain72> cya
[12:43] <thoreauputic> membreya: apt-cache show amsn says amsn is there in universe on warty
[12:43] <marko_> i need some help with my soundcard...I don't know what's wrong....because speaker-test brings:speaker-test 1.0.8
[12:43] <marko_> Playback device is plughw:0,0
[12:43] <marko_> Stream parameters are 48000Hz, S16_LE, 1 channels
[12:43] <marko_> Sine wave rate is 440.0000Hz
[12:43] <Nermal> o_|/ rcrain72
[12:44] <marko_> and aplay -l brings: **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices ****
[12:44] <marko_> card 0: SI7012 [SiS SI7012] , device 0: Intel ICH [SiS SI7012] 
[12:44] <marko_>   Subdevices: 0/1
[12:44] <marko_>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[12:44] <gilles> Where is the path for the networks on ubuntu ?
[12:44] <marko_> so what could be the problem? can anybody help?
[12:44] <Nermal> turn the volume up ?
[12:44] <thefish> gilles, what do you want to do exactly?
[12:44] <Nermal> aumix for example
[12:44] <thoreauputic> gilles:  /etc/network/interfaces ?
[12:45] <marko_> i turned everything up with alsamixer...but nothing...thats very strange
[12:45] <Nermal> hm
[12:46] <gilles> i have logged to my server, there's the icon of it on the desktop, i can do anything on it, it works, but i want to access to it using a terminal, i'm wondering what is the path to access to it
[12:46] <queuetue> gilles, ssh <server> ?
[12:47] <Nermal> gilles, nautilus uses sftp through gnome-vfs
[12:47] <gilles> queutue: i know i can do this way, but i'm already logged, i want to find the path it's logged to
[12:47] <thefish> aaah ok
[12:48] <thefish> ssh username@whateverhost
[12:48] <gilles> tehfish: i know this possibility as i said before
[12:48] <queuetue> gilles, path?  What do you mean by "path"?  Hosts have addresses, but not paths...
[12:48] <marko_> Nermal: it works fine with warty...now I'v installed hoary and it doesn't...is there any tool, that I can use to solve the problem?
[12:48] <thoreauputic> gilles: I think we are having trouble understanding what you want to do...
[12:48] <Nermal> gilles, told you the answer, please stop asking same question
[12:49] <Nermal> sftp user@host
[12:49] <larsrohdin> im having troubles getting fullscreen when im a
[12:49] <thefish> gilles, you want to use this ssh connection from text console instead of gui?
[12:49] <gilles> queuetue: there's an icon to access the server on my desktop, how to access to it via a terminal ?
[12:49] <Nermal> thats all that nautilus does through gnome-vfs
[12:49] <larsrohdin> watching movies..
[12:49] <queuetue> gilles, type ssh <server ip> in a console or xterm.  That's it.
[12:49] <thefish> gilles, do you want to ssh from a terminal?
[12:49] <Nermal> ffs
[12:49] <thefish> hooboy
[12:49] <larsrohdin> im using the fglrx-drivers... now, but before i installed them i could get fullscreen... whats wrong?
[12:49] <gilles> thefish: yes, but not by logging again, but accessing via the icon on my desktop
[12:49] <Nermal> he wants to access files on a server
[12:50] <Nermal> sftp user@host:/path/to/dir
[12:50] <Nermal> will do what you want from console
[12:50] <queuetue> gilles, can you define "terminal" for me?  That may be the problem here.
[12:51] <Nermal> Terminal = gnome-terminal, a console, xterm, aterm, wterm, konsole
[12:51] <Nermal> etc
[12:51] <gilles> i know the commands sftp or ssh or whatever, but i'm already logged, i don't want to log again, i want to find the path of the icon pointing to the server on my desktop
[12:51] <Nermal> there are none
[12:51] <Nermal> as we've said
[12:51] <Nermal> the icon is just an sftp url
[12:51] <Nermal> it logs in everytime you click it
[12:52] <Nermal> using the password stored in the session / gnome-keyring
[12:52] <queuetue> Nermal, *I* know what a terminal is - I was asking what he thought it was. :)
[12:52] <Nermal> my keyboard needs an airbag
[12:52] <Nermal> n00b influx :(
[12:53] <Nermal> saying "I click an icon on my desktop" is pretty useless as well, as nautilus can connect over ssh, ftp, sftp, nfs, etc
[12:53] <Nermal> one of the reason I hate guis
[12:53] <damripp> hi guys! mozzila composer wont open!
[12:53] <thoreauputic> Nermal: indeed, the influx is frustrating
[12:53] <gilles> In the middle menu of Ubuntu Hoary there is "Network Server", if you click on it, it opens a window where are the servers. Is there a way to access this directory with a command line ?
[12:54] <xiximkopp> does anybody know how i can change the mixerdevice (from master to pcm) that is controled by my multimedia keyboard's volume keys?
[12:54] <Nermal> no.. network:/// is the nautilus shortcut
[12:54] <queuetue> How do people even "see" thier desktops?  I usually have so much stuff running I'd never use an icon on my desktop.
[12:54] <Nermal> which uses nautilus / gnome-vfs and samba to find the servers
[12:54] <marko_> could anyone tell me a wave-player for linux
[12:54] <Nermal> marko_, beep-media-player / xmms ?
[12:54] <queuetue> (Let alone actually use *NAUTILUS* to manage files! - What for, when the shell works so much better?)
[12:54] <Nermal> I imagine rhythmbox will also work
[12:54] <marko_> ok...I'll try THX
[12:55] <larsrohdin> can someone help me get fullscreen when im playing movies? im using xfree86, fglrx-drivers on warty...
[12:55] <Nermal> larsrohdin, hit "f" ?
[12:55] <larsrohdin> the window gets big but not the picture
[12:55] <Nermal> oh..
[12:55] <Nermal> if you're using mplayer uncomment zoom=no and change it to use in your mplayer.conf
[12:56] <geneo91> prolly set to 640x480
[12:56] <Nermal> check you're using the xv device as the video output too
[12:56] <larsrohdin> before i installed the fglrx-drivers, i solved it by iusing the vo=xv... but it doesn't work now...
[12:56] <Nermal> larsrohdin, do the zoom thing
[12:57] <xiximkopp> i already searched the web but i have no clue... maybe a gconf key??
[12:57] <larsrohdin> in my mplayer.conf it only says ## Write your default config options here!... after that its empty
[12:58] <geneo91> crimsun:  you around
[12:59] <Nermal> larsrohdin, try adding zoom=ye
[12:59] <Nermal> zoom=yes
[12:59] <Nermal> even
[12:59] <thoreauputic> geneo91:  a /whois says crimsun is away
[01:00] <geneo91> anyone have an idea how many kde full time developers there are
[01:00] <larsrohdin> Nermal, that took care of it! thanks alot buddy!
[01:01] <Riddell> geneo91: about 400 came to the akademy conference
[01:01] <Riddell> geneo91: 1045 cvs accounts open
[01:01] <larsrohdin> Nermal, you any good at the program Ogle?
[01:01] <xiximkopp> please, anybody knows??
[01:01] <geneo91> that was in europe ??????
[01:01] <johso> somebody willing to help me with a little problem of mine? I can't mute my microphone for some reason, and I have no idea what to do...
[01:01] <Riddell> geneo91: Germany
[01:02] <geneo91> yeah
[01:02] <geneo91> johso:  try alsamixer in terminal
[01:03] <geneo91> m will mute mic
[01:04] <geneo91> arrow keys move you through componets
[01:04] <johso> hmm, it is muted in the alsamixer, but still, people can hear themself if I speak to them over skype..
[01:05] <geneo91> oh you have skype open thats why
[01:05] <Nermal> larsrohdin, yeah
[01:05] <johso> if I go to the gnome volume controller and press mute, it will be unmuted when I look again..
[01:06] <larsrohdin> Nermal, when i choose open dvd-disc in the menu, nothing happens... what am i doing wrong?
[01:06] <geneo91> its set up for hands free
[01:07] <johso> geneo91: when I call someone on skype, they can only hear their own voice, not me..
[01:07] <jbailey> geneo91: The simplest answer is yes.  Am I who you think I am? =)
[01:07] <xet7> Hi, Epson Stylus CX3200 Scanner works with XSane only as root, how do I modify it to work as normal user?
[01:07] <geneo91> i haven't got it to work right either
[01:07] <apokryphos> Anyone know of a command to check what dpi you're running with?
[01:08] <netmonk> johso, it was the same with me. I killed esd and the sound works fine
[01:08] <jbailey> quitte: It's better to ask about Debian glibc things in #debian-glibc rather than in an Ubuntu channel...
[01:08] <geneo91> jbailey:  i cant believe you gave up bsd
[01:09] <jbailey> geneo91: Sorry, do I know you?
[01:09] <geneo91> jbailey:  ppl are nicer here
[01:09] <geneo91> yes from beshare
[01:09] <geneo91> ohio dude
[01:10] <geneo91> 46 miles away
[01:10] <johso> netmonk: okay, I've killed it, but it doesn't seem to work - I tried the echo test service.. what is esd anyway?
[01:11] <jbailey> geneo91: I don't think you have the right person...
[01:11] <geneo91> you live in ft wayne
[01:12] <jbailey> geneo91: I've never been to ft wayne.
[01:12] <jbailey> Although with a name like that, I can guess it's in the southern US.
[01:12] <netmonk> johso, i first kill it and then start skype and it works for me
[01:12] <geneo91> oh so your a nother dude then
[01:13] <geneo91> jbailey:  i know lives in the north indiana
[01:14] <chlunde> Hmm, there will be a new preview and/or RCs before the release?  Will they come with 2.6.8 or 2.6.10?
[01:15] <geneo91> well i saw his favorite term just after seeing you ( meep )
[01:16] <johso> netmonk: worked once, now it doesn't work :/
[01:18] <netmonk> johso, hm...
[01:18] <geneo91> try a reboot maybe reset things
[01:18] <Nermal> heh
[01:19] <Nermal> no need
[01:19] <geneo91> works for me
[01:19] <johso> netmonk: it works if I turn up the volume on my mic, but then I can hear myself .. :S
[01:19] <Nermal> only because you don't know how to kill / restart services / processe
[01:19] <geneo91> yeah i do
[01:20] <Nermal> so why reboot ? :)
[01:20] <geneo91> well it doesn't always work
[01:20] <netmonk> johso, i hear my self too. i'm not sure but i think that if the mike works you'll always here your voice
[01:21] <thefish> Nermal, how do you restart etc services in ubu? /etc/inid.d/foo restart?
[01:21] <Nermal> aye..
[01:21] <Nermal> with a sudo
[01:21] <thefish> k
[01:21] <Nermal> init.d*
[01:21] <thefish> so theres no fancy rcFoo restart or service foo restart
[01:21] <johso> netmonk: ahh, think I got it working - if i turn it down (like muting) and press Rec. it works :D
[01:21] <netmonk> johso, good
[01:21] <netmonk> ;)
[01:24] <larsrohdin> which is the best dvd-player?
[01:25] <Ad-Rock> larsrohdin: i dunno.. but i use xine :p
[01:26] <Bubbling_Zombie> kaffeine, but i'm on kubuntu -_-
[01:26] <larsrohdin> Ad-Rock, can it handle menus and stuff?
[01:26] <Riddell> kaffeine is the goodness
[01:26] <larsrohdin> Riddell, is it easy to use? gui?
[01:26] <kaouete> grumpf, ubuntu is really long to boot :/
[01:26] <Bubbling_Zombie> larsrohdin, try some out, it's not like you have to pay for them ;)
[01:27] <larsrohdin> Bubbling_Zombie, thats right, i just wanted to get some alternatives...
[01:27] <larsrohdin> ill try kaffeine... suits me good=)
[01:28] <Bubbling_Zombie> :)
[01:28] <tyler_> When I;m making a launcher, how do I make it run as a root user?
[01:28] <Ad-Rock> lars: yes
[01:29] <Ad-Rock> it handles menus
[01:29] <apokryphos> tyler_: making a launcher? You mean running a program as root?
[01:30] <Ad-Rock> but its like Bubbling_Zombie said, its not like you have to pay for them :D
[01:32] <motuline> hmm.. why my computer uses still mesa drivers after i installed fglrx.. :/
[01:32] <motuline> motu@HAXBOX:~$ fglrxinfo
[01:32] <motuline> display: :0.0  screen: 0
[01:32] <motuline> OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
[01:32] <motuline> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[01:32] <motuline> OpenGL version string: 1.2 (1.5 Mesa 6.2.1)
[01:33] <scizzo> motuline: have you told the config to use flgrx?
[01:33] <scizzo> motuline: installing it only doesn't help
[01:34] <Ad-Rock> scizzo: hi man, sup? long no see :P
[01:34] <scizzo> Ad-Rock: hi..
[01:35] <scizzo> Ad-Rock: long time?
[01:35] <motuline> yes.. im changed my driver to the fglrx
[01:35] <andreasvc> hi. I had a warty install on a 4gb disk with ext3, which I copied to a 3gb disk with reiserfs. Now it doesn't boot for some reason...
[01:35] <scizzo> motuline: and restarted X?
[01:35] <motuline> yep
[01:35] <scizzo> motuline: I mean did you change it in the xorg.conf? or something?
[01:35] <motuline> xorg.conf
[01:35] <scizzo> motuline: because I have it installed here..
[01:35] <scizzo> motuline: how did you install the driver?
[01:35] <Ad-Rock> scizzo: well.. since you helped me out with the fstab thingy :p
[01:36] <scizzo> motuline: and have you looked at the /var/log/Xorg.log thingy?
[01:36] <scizzo> Ad-Rock: aaa..ok
[01:36] <motuline> same way that in howto.. sudo apt-get install xorg-fglrx-driver
[01:36] <motuline> i made couple of changes .. rebooting
[01:36] <motuline> brb
[01:38] <andreasvc> if I'm not able to fix this problem and have to do a re-install, is it better to install warty or hoary? it's a low-end machine with only 96mb ram
[01:38] <scizzo> andreasvc: what is the problem?
[01:39] <picole> hi,
[01:39] <andreasvc> "hi. I had a warty install on a 4gb disk with ext3, which I copied to a 3gb disk with reiserfs. Now it doesn't boot for some reason..."
[01:41] <apokryphos> the bootloader likely wasn't taken over; hoary is better.
[01:43] <andreasvc> apokryphos: GRUB did work, I made sure of that, but somehow it goes into single user mode and I don't know what is wrong
[01:43] <andreasvc> does intitrd.img assume an ext3 fs?
[01:47] <Bubbling_Zombie> jay, i just fixed my dvd player
[01:47] <Bubbling_Zombie> go me !
[01:48] <motuline> Write default Files section to configuration file?
[01:50] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[01:50] <da_bon_bon> just installed kde
[01:50] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[01:50] <shock> well gratulations
[01:50] <Bubbling_Zombie> well hello :)
[01:50] <Nermal> :O
[01:50] <chlunde> Hmm, is there a new set of CDs coming soon?  (Array 7)?
[01:51] <Nermal> I hope not
[01:51] <shock> too bad wow doesnt run on linux-powerpc :/
[01:51] <Nermal> I'm downloading the preview now P
[01:51] <Nermal> :P
[01:52] <chlunde> According to HoaryReleaseSchedule Array 7 should've been out yeasterday.
[01:54] <jbailey> chlunde: The dates all generally refer to the Wednesday of that week.
[01:55] <chlunde> Ok
[01:55] <oris_wolfbane> hey room
[01:55] <chlunde> I assume Hoary is going to ship with 2.6.10 and not 2.6.8 (with broken SATA)?
[01:56] <mjg59> Correct
[01:56] <deFrysk> Kernel: Linux 2.6.10-4-386 | Distro: Debian/GNU 3.1 | CPU: AMD Athlon(TM) XP 2200+ @ 1801 Mhz | Mem usage: 119.3/250.8 MB (48%) | Swap usage: 0/509.8 MB (0%) | Disk usage(ST340016A): 4.0/31.9 GB (13%) | Uptime: 12 mins 40 secs
[01:56] <deFrysk> Linux 2.6.10-4-386
[01:56] <oris_wolfbane> does anyone know a (easy) to get the latest version of gdesklets working?
[01:57] <_axel> 12 mins, lousy uptime :P
[01:57] <chlunde> mjg59: Good, I had to go through woody to install on my laptop.
[01:57] <deFrysk> _axel, indeed
[01:57] <_axel> ;)
[01:57] <deFrysk> just turned my pc on
[01:58] <thoreauputic> oris_wolfbane: erm .. sudo apt-get install gdesklets
[01:58] <zijlstra> I want to check all the things it starts up with, I get some errors and some things I don't want to load, which file should I check?
[01:59] <oris_wolfbane> thoreauputic: but its quite an old version and a lot of the new desklets wont work wit it
[01:59] <thoreauputic> ah, i see ...
[01:59] <da_bon_bon> can kde use xcompmgr ?
[02:00] <dwa_> burp
[02:05] <niran> da_bon_bon: i'm pretty sure it can
[02:05] <Solatis> how can i set 'gdm' NOT to start during boot ?
[02:05] <da_bon_bon> niran: it cant. it uses "kompmgr"
[02:05] <Solatis> plainly chmod -x /etc/init.d/gdm ?
[02:06] <thoreauputic> Solatis: sudo update-rc.d gdm remove
[02:06] <thoreauputic> I think taht would be it
[02:06] <thoreauputic> *that
[02:06] <Solatis> ok tx
[02:06] <Dreco> Hi, if I have installed something via Synaptic where do I find the actual app ? It is listed as installed under Synaptic
[02:07] <thoreauputic> Solatis: check man update-rc.d
[02:07] <niran> da_bon_bon: i thought xcompmgr was just a generic composition manager that could be used in anything until the window managers have their own
[02:07] <niran> but if kwin already has one, by all means use it
[02:07] <Solatis> yeah, i was looking for 'rc-update' ... (coming from a gentoo background) .. which didn't exist :P
[02:07] <thoreauputic> Dreco: type ` which <commabname> `
[02:08] <thoreauputic> *commandname
[02:08] <thoreauputic> where that is your prog, of course
[02:08] <da_bon_bon> niran: oh, no idea then
[02:22] <Dreco> thoreauputic, pls explain
[02:25] <thoreauputic> Dreco: to find the path to your app, in a terminal type  ` which <nameofapp> `  (without the `` of course)
[02:25] <zubunt> Hello. I have problems with warty on one of my pcs. From time to time, the pc behaves very strange. For example gedit starts with a delay of several minutes. Has oneone an idea how to fix this?
[02:25] <thoreauputic> for example,   $ which nautilus
[02:25] <_axel> zubunt: maybe updatedb is running while you try to open gedit?
[02:26] <zubunt> axel: No. CPU is idling, no hdd activity and easy things (like opening the gnome logout dialog) are delayed for minutes
[02:28] <zubunt> After rebooting, gedit starts withhin 3 seconds. But after some time the pc falls back to the wired mode :_(
[02:30] <mjr> hmh, semi-magically hoary's kernel now works with my dvb-t adapter. I suppose it has something to do with the firmware fiddling I did. Not complaining ;)
[02:31] <Dreco> thoreauputic, so if I run which xmail and it returns nothing ? Yet Synaptic shows it as installed ?
[02:32] <thoreauputic> Dreco: I think xmail and mail are the same ? try just "mail"
[02:33] <Dreco> that returns /usr/bin/mail
[02:33] <thoreauputic> Dreco: you just want the commandline mail program, right?
[02:33] <thoreauputic> or something else?
[02:34] <Dreco> supposed to be an interface mail server
[02:35] <thoreauputic> Dreco: yeah, i just checked - have you looked at man xmail?
[02:35] <thoreauputic> Dreco: you already have postfix - why would you need this?
[02:36] <zubunt> Hmm, now I can specifiy my problem a bit more accurate. Gedit needs minutes for opening, when I start dhclient. The networkcard of the pc is set up not to be configured, and when I manually run dhclient, the PC (especially gnome) becomes sloooooow. Any idea?
[02:36] <Dreco> New to ubuntu :(
[02:36] <Dreco> is postfix a complete mail server ?
[02:36] <thoreauputic> check the output of ` whereis postfix `
[02:37] <Dreco> postfix: /etc/postfix
[02:37] <thoreauputic> Dreco: read   apt-cache show postfix   to see what it does
[02:38] <zubunt> WOW, ubuntu loaded 2 kernel modules for my networkcard (8139too and 8139cp). I think this is wrong. How can I avoid this?
[02:38] <thoreauputic> it should be installed by default on warty, at least
[02:39] <Dreco> does it have an interface or where is it run from ?
[02:39] <thoreauputic> zubunt: does it work? If so why change it?
[02:39] <zubunt> Because the PC behaves strange under ubuntu, but I don't want to change back to debian
[02:40] <dwa_> does anybody here have had problems with laptop brightness control?
[02:40] <dwa_> mine doesn't work :)
[02:41] <dwa_> it's fn-f10 on my compaq evo
[02:41] <Tomcat_> dwa_: Mine is hardware driven, so no problems. :o
[02:41] <Dreco> thoreauputic, does it have an interface or where is it run from ?
[02:41] <dwa_> most fn-any key combination works but fn-f4 (monitor switching) and brightness don't
[02:42] <zubunt> I removed both modules manually but the card is continuing work %-) How can I find out which module is used by interface eth0?
[02:42] <xamdm> dwa_, i use a toshiba notebook there is a tool fnfx, maybe there is something equal for jou ..
[02:42] <dwa_> mm yes i was thinking about something like that already
[02:42] <dwa_> i remember it worked on a gentoo install i once had on this laptop
[02:43] <dwa_> so there has to be a solution :)
[02:43] <thoreauputic> Dreco: sendmail, postfix etc don't have GUI - if you want that ypu might look at webmin
[02:44] <Dreco> installing webmin
[02:44] <joda> Can someone tell me how I install a program I've downloaded as a .deb file? when I doubleclick on it, it just says "there was an error launching the application"
[02:45] <thoreauputic> Dreco: linux servers usually run headless anyway, and are administered over ssh or similar
[02:45] <Dreco> thoreauputic, I will get there eventually :)
[02:45] <thoreauputic> joda: sudo dpkg -i <file.deb>
[02:46] <thoreauputic> Dreco: purists think webmin is a *bad thing* (tm)
[02:46] <joda> Thoreauputic: I'll try that, thanks :)
[02:46] <keffoo> there should be something about 'ati is totally fuxed up in kernel..' etc etc
[02:47] <thoreauputic> joda: linux doesn't allow you to indiscriminately click and execute stuff - one reason it's hard to amke viruses for linux
[02:47] <xerox> Do you know how to get the current fbdev mode? I'm running ubuntu hoary live-cd.
[02:47] <keffoo> anyone using fluxbox under ubutnu?
[02:48] <Dreco> thoreauputic, I'm a half breed so lol, ok webmin is downloaded, where would I find it ?
[02:48] <thoreauputic> keffo: not this minute, but yes
[02:48] <keffo> thoreauputic: ok, why not now? ;P
[02:48] <joda> Thoreauputic: worked like a charm, thanks
[02:48] <thoreauputic> Dreco: umm.... I already told you how
[02:48] <thoreauputic> which webmin
[02:49] <keffo> If anyone using Fluxbox (ubuntu).. be kind and paste or priv some screens, need to see how you work things out :
[02:49] <Dreco> nick@ubuntu01:~ $ whereis webmin
[02:49] <Dreco> webmin: /etc/webmin /usr/share/webmin /usr/share/man/man8/webmin.8.gz
[02:49] <thoreauputic> keffo: because it's easier to help on IRC while in the default ubuntu desktop :)
[02:50] <keffo> thoreauputic: ok, true.. but well, hm do you got any screens for your flux?
[02:50] <thoreauputic> Dreco: which webmin
[02:50] <thoreauputic> keffo: don't understand you question
[02:51] <Dreco> thoreauputic, 1.150-1 Warty
[02:51] <keffo> thoreauputic:  oh, I mean.. if you can see your fluxbox desktop, since i have problems with GTK or something leik that. Im trying to get my flux look like this, http://www.fluxbox.org/zoom.php?shots-dev/naes_fluxbox.jpg
[02:52] <thoreauputic> Dreco: NO - that's the command to find it: `which webmin`    :)
[02:52] <thoreauputic> like which nautilus
[02:52] <thoreauputic> or           which frozen-bubble
[02:52] <thoreauputic> etc etc
[02:53] <Dreco> nick@ubuntu01:~ $ which webmin
[02:53] <Dreco> nick@ubuntu01:~ $
[02:53] <keffo> ;))
[02:54] <thoreauputic> Dreco: Ok try it as root  `sudo which webmin`
[02:55] <thoreauputic> keffo: lots of useful flux docs at http://fluxbox.org
[02:55] <Dreco> root@ubuntu01:/home/nick # sudo which webmin
[02:55] <Dreco> root@ubuntu01:/home/nick #
[02:55] <thoreauputic> Dreco: :(
[02:55] <keffo> ok, ill go reading ;P
[02:56] <thoreauputic> Dreco: well, if all else fails, read the man page
[02:56] <thoreauputic> Dreco: I've never used webmin
[02:56] <zubunt> This is really odd. gedit only doesn't work when my ethernet card is setup to 192.168.0.139. With 192.168.0.140 it works for example. Has anyone an idea what I have done wrong?
[02:56] <Dreco> I dont even know where the man page is... I hate my boss
[02:57] <thoreauputic> Dreco:  type            man webmin
[02:57] <Dreco> is man standard for all apps ?
[02:57] <tizen> usually yes.
[02:57] <keffo> zubunt: your router might not support ips under .0.139? :P
[02:57] <SlackShrike> hi
[02:58] <thoreauputic> Dreco: I don't understand why you are setting up a mail server when you don't even know about man pages ?
[02:58] <zubunt> keffo, i have setup ips from 192.168.0.1 to 192.168.0.200
[02:58] <Dreco> Ive been instructed to do it, boss wants us to eval linux
[02:58] <keffo> odd, hm. using static ip right?
[02:59] <zubunt> I tried again it doe work when i set the ip manually to 192.168.0.139, but as soon as dhclient is working, gedit refuses to work
[02:59] <keffo> hehe, ok.. i dunno ;P
[02:59] <thoreauputic> Dreco: well, google for postfix howto and read a bit on the basics of UNIX and Linux first as well
[02:59] <zubunt> The interface is not setup in /etc/network/interfaces and i set it up manually with dhclient
[02:59] <keffo> or www.qmailrocks.org
[02:59] <keffo> there's a debian howto aswell
[02:59] <thoreauputic> Dreco: nothing will work unless you understand what you're doing
[03:00] <SlackShrike> how-to install the libc6 of ubuntu on the morphix-base? I like create the live cd using the packages of ubuntu in the morphix-base
[03:00] <zubunt> This PC is for a friend and at his location there will be no dhcp server. So i dont want to have it configured to use dhc as it delays booting to much when there is no dhcp server
[03:01] <SlackShrike> The ubuntu use the morphix for do the ubuntu-live. How i do this. Has a How-To ?
[03:01] <thoreauputic> Dreco: http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/
[03:01] <Dreco> thoreauputic, I'm learning gradually, only been at it 2 days now. Thanks for the help though
[03:02] <Dreco> Hey I got it up and running with exchange and network etc so it hasnt been a nightmare
[03:03] <thoreauputic> Dreco: that tuxfiles site is really good for picking up some basic bash commands etc
[03:04] <Dreco> Bookmarked it, will do some homework.
[03:05] <thoreauputic> Dreco: tldp is useful too ( a bit outdated though, often) The Linux Documentation Project
[03:05] <thoreauputic> also google for RUTE
[03:07] <kev0r> :D teh p0rn
[03:11] <zubunt> I found my problem. dhclien changes the domainname. How can I setup my ubuntu that the networkinterface is only configured, when a cable is connected?
[03:12] <thefish> \0/
[03:12] <keffo> woho \o/
[03:13] <Bubbling_Zombie> \o/
[03:13] <Bubbling_Zombie> (mexican wave?)
[03:13] <thefish> hehe
[03:13] <keffo> almost
[03:13] <keffo> ;P
[03:13] <thefish> just booted the hoary disk on my laptop
[03:13] <thefish> didnt get the geometry right, but still impressive!
[03:17] <zubunt> How have you configured your network cars? All by dhcp by default?
[03:17] <chibifs> http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/children/kidtalk.mspx D:
[03:18] <Bubbling_Zombie> oh yeah chibifs , read that a couple of days ago
[03:19] <Bubbling_Zombie> it's like when old people still go "hey, that's really rad"
[03:19] <Bubbling_Zombie> or somethin' like that :')
[03:19] <zubunt> Sorry for my bad english, im no native speaker :-(
[03:20] <thefish> should be titled "how to tell if your son is a wanker"
[03:20] <da_bon_bon> hey i noticed that nowadays my firefox is crashing a bit toooo much. anyone lese noticed it ?
[03:20] <Bubbling_Zombie> doesn't crash here
[03:20] <thefish> if your child ever EVER says l337, kick him in the face
[03:21] <Bubbling_Zombie> kicking in the face is good
[03:21] <thefish> ok face kicking stays then
[03:21] <Bubbling_Zombie> hehe
[03:21] <thefish> people who type like that annoy the crap out of me
[03:21] <Bubbling_Zombie> it's like those kids who go
[03:21] <Bubbling_Zombie> "LoL"
[03:21] <thefish> damn
[03:21] <mirco> Hey ho
[03:21] <Bubbling_Zombie> what happened to ... regular laughing?
[03:22] <garrut> ahahah...
[03:22] <thefish> someday i am going to invent a machine that allows you to kick someone in the face over irc
[03:22] <thefish> i will be rich
[03:22] <Bubbling_Zombie> hey, i'd buy it !
[03:22] <mjr> yeah
[03:22] <mirco> anyone in here who could tell me which patch makes the ubuntu-powerpc us my PowerBook LED as HDD-LED??
[03:23] <thefish> what does ubu use to do CPU ferquency scaling? is it kernel or a module?
[03:23] <zubunt> How can I setup eth0, so that it is only configured by dhcp, when there is a wire in the card?
[03:24] <Vjaz> thefish: It's a module in Hoary at least.
[03:24] <Dr_Ace_Work> doesn't nickserv allow the group command?
[03:24] <Vjaz> thefish: What difference does it make to you?
[03:24] <thefish> Vjaz, any idea what its called? I added the monitor to my taskbar and it seems to work very well
[03:24] <thefish> i normally run SuSE, and it does not work as well
[03:25] <scizzo> Dr_Ace_Work: /help nickserv
[03:25] <Vjaz> thefish: You might want to see your lsmod
[03:25] <thefish> cpufreq_userspace       4572  1
[03:25] <thefish> cpufreq_powersave       1920  0
[03:25] <thefish> cpufreq_ondemand        6172  0
[03:25] <thefish> bingo
[03:25] <Vjaz> thefish: yeah
[03:25] <Vjaz> thefish: I also have freq_table and speedstep_centrino
[03:25] <thefish> really impressive
[03:26] <thefish> processor              22708  2 speedstep_centrino,thermal
[03:26] <thoreauputic> Dr_Ace_Work: actually that would be /msg nickserv help
[03:26] <thefish> is ubu aimed more at desktop?
[03:26] <Vjaz> thefish: Hm... never thought of running a CPU monitor before... Seems neat. :-P
[03:26] <Vjaz> thefish: Yes.
[03:26] <thefish> ye check it out
[03:27] <Vjaz> How come?
[03:27] <mirco> zubunt: you have to add on line to /etc/network/interfaces
[03:27] <thefish> just running the liveCD now
[03:27] <Vjaz> Hm, ok.
[03:28] <thefish> the default is SuSE
[03:28] <thefish> which is really good, but old gnome
[03:28] <Vjaz> I haven't tried the LiveCD, but I presume it's pretty much the same thing that you get with a standard Ubuntu install.
[03:28] <thefish> i guess
[03:28] <garrut> zwets
[03:28] <mirco> zubunt: "iface eth0 inet dhcp"
[03:28] <thefish> ifconfig
[03:28] <thefish> oops
[03:29] <tizen> Ubuntu has done one thing for my productivity... It's dropped drastically.
[03:29] <tizen> It's not because of any issue with linux
[03:29] <tizen> That damn Five or More game is addictive
[03:29] <NixerX> Anyone here have experience with ifenslave?
[03:29] <zubunt> micro: But this does allways an dhcp request at boot time, even when there is no connection. Is there no cleaner solution?
[03:31] <mirco> zubunt: apt-get install whereami  whereami is a very powerfull network-location mgr
[03:32] <zubunt> mirco: Thanks, ill try that :-)
[03:32] <thefish> seeya folks, thanks!
[03:35] <larsrohdin> what is the command to see which version of ubuntu im using?
[03:36] <deFrysk> larsrohdin, uname -r
[03:36] <dabi> how do i give every right for a file in cmd?
[03:36] <dabi> every rights
[03:36] <larsrohdin> no, not the kernel, ubuntu... i want to confirm that i have hoary now
[03:37] <xamdm> dabi, chmod 777 filename ??
[03:37] <zubunt> cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:37] <NixerX> larsrohdin , what kernel was it?
[03:37] <dabi> 777? k.. ty
[03:37] <larsrohdin> 2.6.10-4-386
[03:37] <NixerX> larsrohdin , tha'd be hoary
[03:37] <deFrysk> ooh
[03:37] <larsrohdin> ok, thanks...
[03:37] <deFrysk> hoary indeed
[03:38] <NixerX> larsrohdin , uname -a may show more too
[03:38] <mirco> anyone experience with apple Hardware
[03:38] <kev0r> hmm i just did ping 192.168.0.1 -i 0.0000001 -s 65000
[03:38] <ogra_away> larsrohdin, you can also look it up on the details of the computer device in device manager ;)
[03:38] <kev0r> now i cannot connect to my computer anymore :(
[03:38] <NixerX> mirco some.
[03:39] <trans_err> why is SSH latency so poor sometimes, is there anyway to change this? My server serves up the HTML/PHP/MySQL stuff just fine, but SSH remote administration can at times be a pain...
[03:39] <larsrohdin> but isn't there a --version command?
[03:39] <keyhack> how can I disable the startup sounds? I even lowered the volume once I logged in, but the original login sounds are extremely loud on my laptop, and it's rather annoying.
[03:39] <NixerX> larsrohdin cat /etc/debian_version
[03:40] <NixerX> not exactly what you want/
[03:40] <larsrohdin> no=)
[03:40] <ogra_away> larsrohdin,  lsb_release -a
[03:40] <NixerX> ogra_away rocks.
[03:40] <larsrohdin> ogra_away, exectly! thanks
[03:40] <ogra_away> :)
[03:40] <mirco> NixerX: I'ld like to know which patch make the Standby LED act as HDD-LED
[03:41] <NixerX> mirco thats above me my friend.
[03:42] <ogra_away> mirco,  it will get removed before release (dunno the patch name though)
[03:42] <mirco> NixerX: how about using external Monitor with Power- or iBook's
[03:43] <NixerX> mirco , as the default monitor?
[03:45] <mirco> NixerX: As primary, or for use with a Mirrored-Screen like using a beamer
[03:45] <CarinArr> hmm.. when installing kde it seems to have messed up my vim.. does anyone know why?
[03:46] <CarinArr> i mean, to upgrade vim using synaptic it wants to remove kde again, seems a bit strange
[03:48] <olu> /dev/hdb2 /mnt/hdb2 ext3 noauto,user,exec,rw,umask=000,uid=knoppix,gid=knoppix 0 0 ...... anyone know why that won't work?
[03:48] <Spun> Hi all
[03:48] <Spun> Could i get some help?
[03:48] <goldfish> ask away Spun
[03:48] <goldfish> I'm sure someone may be able to help.
[03:48] <Spun> Well, I just installed Ubuntu, And now i want to change or update some things
[03:49] <Spun> And this is like my second time in linux =p
[03:49] <goldfish> :)
[03:49] <goldfish> I am fairly new to it myself.
[03:49] <olu> anyone good with fstab _
[03:49] <olu> ?
[03:49] <Spun> well, how do i change the OS language?
[03:49] <garrut> what's the problem olu?
[03:49] <hendps> Hi all. I'm trying to compile the ati kernel module, but can't do it because i get this error: Makefile:50: *** mixed implicit and normal rules.  Stop. - any ideas?
[03:50] <olu> garrut, cant write to ext3 disk
[03:50] <garrut> nothing?
[03:50] <goldfish> Spun: Did you not get to choose while installing it?
[03:51] <kotatsu> olu: do any of your lines in fstab say "ro"?
[03:51] <Spun> I did
[03:51] <Spun> But i dont like my language afterwards
[03:52] <olu> kotatsu, i have changed to rw on the ext3 disk yes
[03:52] <kotatsu> have you remounted it since the change?
[03:52] <olu> yes
[03:52] <hendps> any ideas on ati module compiling, anybody?
[03:52] <olu> with sudo mount -a
[03:52] <olu> tried it many times
[03:53] <kotatsu> try sudo mount -o remount (target dir)
[03:53] <kotatsu> I don't know that mount -a remounts stuff, I think it just syncs your mtab to fstab
[03:53] <ogra_away> hendps, use the ubuntu package, no need to compile
[03:53] <olu> hmm
[03:54] <olu> not mounted already or bad option
[03:54] <hendps> ogra_away, tried, but i dont have acceleration, or anything. my xorg.conf is using fglrx too
[03:54] <dexem> Hi, someone with problems with nautilus-scripts? I have hoary and it seems that do not pass correctly the parameters and environment variables to the scripts :P
[03:54] <kotatsu> does typing just "mount" report it as mounted?
[03:54] <bob2> hendps: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:54] <bob2> as listed on the FAQ
[03:54] <hendps> bob2, i've tried most things, but i'll take a look
[03:54] <bob2> ie, don't compile it at all
[03:55] <olu> /dev/hdb2 on /mnt/hdb2 type ext3 (rw,nosuid,nodev,user,umask=000,uid=1000,gid=1000)
[03:55] <olu> thats what i get when i write mount
[03:56] <kotatsu> certainly looks right to me... what are you trying to do that isn't working?
[03:56] <kotatsu> olu: nosuid, nodev will restrict a few things but I can't imagine that's what you're having trouble with
[03:57] <Spun> Anyone willing to help me?
[03:59] <Spun> Anyone willing to help me?
[03:59] <kotatsu> Spun: I'm not certain since I've never had to change it on an existing installation, but you at least have to reconfigure your locales and edit your /etc/environment settings
[03:59] <kotatsu> might have to do more than that, but I couldn't tell you for sure
[03:59] <kotatsu> $ sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[03:59] <Spun> like how? :P
[03:59] <kotatsu> $ sudo nano /etc/environment
[03:59] <hendps> bob2, I've just followed the instructions on the wikipage again, but still no fglrx driver. fglrxinfo says mesa stuff is being used
[04:00] <maxchee> does anyone here use gpdf? Is it stable?
[04:00] <rwabel> I've also problems with locales
[04:00] <rwabel> especially it doesn't display special character right in the filesystem, even I've choosen utf-8
[04:00] <kotatsu> maxchee: I stopped using it a while back because I was less than impressed with it, but I've been using Evince as of late and I like it a lot
[04:00] <maxchee> thx
[04:00] <rwabel> tried wit dpkg-reconfigure locales and localeconf
[04:01] <deFrysk> rwabel, try us_intl
[04:01] <maxchee> also does anyone here use alien to install the latest OO.o2 snapshot?
[04:01] <deFrysk> use blindkeys
[04:02] <rwabel> deFrysk: do they have all the umlauts like ?
[04:03] <deFrysk> rwabel, should work fine yes
[04:03] <hendps> anyone else have any thoughts on getting the ati drivers to work?
[04:03] <deFrysk> you know how to use blind keys ?
[04:03] <rwabel> deFrysk: I don't have us_intl, I've en_US.UTF-8 and the two iso stuff
[04:03] <maxchee> hendps: there is no way
[04:04] <hendps> maxchee, how come?
[04:04] <maxchee> hendps: complain to ati to ask for good drivers
[04:04] <deFrysk> rwabel, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:04] <hendps> maxchee, they work on other distros, why not ubuntu?
[04:04] <deFrysk> rwabel, or dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[04:04] <maxchee> hendps: ati is know for producing nasty driver that never work (even on windows!)
[04:05] <hendps> maxchee, but they work give 3d accel. on other distros
[04:05] <deFrysk> rwabel, leave all setting the same exept the one for keyboard wich is set to us
[04:05] <kotatsu> hendps: the latest ati drivers work for me, what's wrong?
[04:05] <deFrysk> rwabel,  set it to us_intl
[04:05] <kotatsu> although I don't use 'em, I use the open source ati drivers instead to get compositing ^_^
[04:05] <deFrysk> thats it :)
[04:06] <hendps> kotatsu, the drivers are installed, so is the restricted modules package. i've changed my xorg file to use fglrx driver, but the driver isn't being used
[04:06] <rwabel> deFrysk: well keyboard is working fine, I'm using de_CH because I've swiss keyboard
[04:06] <Spun> Anyone willing to help me?
[04:06] <mon> hey, any SMP guru's in here? my box doesn't seem to recognize my 2nd cpu... (yes i installed a smp kernel)
[04:06] <deFrysk> rwabel, in othel languages I do not know
[04:06] <maxchee> Spun: your question?
[04:06] <deFrysk> other
[04:06] <kotatsu> hendps: are you using warty or hoary?
[04:06] <hendps> kotatsu, fglrxinfo says mesa stuff is used, and extension "XFree-86 DRI is missing on display :0.0"
[04:06] <Spun> I got several =p
[04:06] <hendps> kotatsu,  hoary
[04:06] <deFrysk> I have to go
[04:06] <rwabel> deFrysk: but keyboard doesn't affect how the files are displayed and saved on the system?
[04:07] <Spun> I invited you to a chat session
[04:07] <kotatsu> hendps: are you using xfree86 or xorg?
[04:07] <deFrysk> rwabel, no
[04:07] <hendps> kotatsu, xorg
[04:07] <maxchee> spun: my router still need a bit of tweaking
[04:07] <deFrysk> rwabel, has to be set in your editor
[04:07] <hendps> kotatsu, everything is latest hoary
[04:07] <Spun> Okay
[04:07] <Spun> Well, First i want to change my OS language
[04:07] <kotatsu> hendps: do you have xorg-driver-fglrx installed?
[04:07] <deFrysk> later folks
[04:07] <maxchee> spun: just use the channel for now
[04:07] <hendps> kotatsu, yeah
[04:07] <rwabel> deFrysk: everywhere it's working fine, just that I cannot see the characters correctly on my mounted partition. even it worked some days ago.
[04:07] <scizzo> hendps: dpkg -l | grep xserver-xorg
[04:08] <kotatsu> hendps: can you post the contents of /var/log/Xorg.0.log somewhere I can see it?
[04:08] <Spun> Well, First i want to change my OS language
[04:08] <hendps> kotatsu, dpkg -l : ii  xserver-xorg   6.8.2-2        the X.Org X server
[04:08] <maxchee> spun:I believe you need to uninstall your current locale and install the alternative local
[04:08] <hendps> kotatsu, shall i /msg it to you?
[04:08] <Spun> ah well
[04:09] <Spun> g2g
[04:09] <kotatsu> use this: http://pastebin.arslinux.com/
[04:09] <dwa_> anybody in here with a ati radeon m7 lw video card?
[04:09] <kotatsu> paste into that then paste the address to me
[04:12] <keffo> what filebrowsers are you guys using?
[04:12] <rwabel> is there a way to reset all the locales and stuff so I can restart from scratch?
[04:12] <wezzer-> nautilus
[04:13] <keffo> ok, i dun wanna use nautilus hm.. any suggestions?
[04:13] <snader> gentoo is cool
[04:13] <snader> (the filebrowser, not the distro)
[04:13] <garrut> what's wrong with nautilus?
[04:13] <deFrysk> gnome-commander
[04:13] <rwabel> keffo: tux commander
[04:13] <keffo> hm, i dun want anything with gnome ;P
[04:13] <rwabel> keffo: krusader
[04:14] <deFrysk> krusader is for kde
[04:14] <keffo> since imma get fluxbox good working etc..
[04:14] <deFrysk> rox
[04:14] <keffo> ye
[04:14] <rwabel> defrysk: right, but keffo doesn't want gnome
[04:14] <keffo> thought of that one too
[04:14] <deFrysk> filemanager of xfce4.2
[04:15] <deFrysk> keffo, use mc
[04:15] <deFrysk> its pretty good
[04:15] <keffo> hm
[04:15] <snake> any fbrowser with tabs?
[04:15] <keffo> yey, but is it GUI-avaible
[04:16] <deFrysk> keffo, mc runs from your console
[04:16] <keffo> yes
[04:16] <keffo> but i want a fb to be graphical
[04:16] <keffo> i think ill go for rox tbh
[04:16] <deFrysk> rox of os-works.com
[04:16] <deFrysk> it has the latest in .deb
[04:17] <keffo> yepp, just got it
[04:17] <keffo> thats nice
[04:17] <keffo> anyone knows abotu ventrilo-client for linux?
[04:17] <deFrysk> get the repo from there I would say :)
[04:17] <keffo> hm
[04:18] <hendps> kotatsu, hurrah - all working now :)
[04:18] <kotatsu> awesome
[04:19] <kotatsu> things should be pretty fast now, it makes a big difference in my experience (although you lose the nice damage/fixes/composite stuff)
[04:19] <keffo> what are you guys talking bout?
[04:19] <keffo> whats working? ;P
[04:19] <hendps> yeah, i'll just have to be patient i guess
[04:20] <hendps> keffo, i was having problems with my ati drivers
[04:20] <Blackice1963> how can i get flash player for firefox?????
[04:20] <kotatsu> personally I find that using even unaccelerated composite on mid-resolution displays makes for a better user experience than the ATI dri stuff
[04:20] <thekoreuk> Blackice1963, use synaptic to find flashplayer
[04:20] <kotatsu> no funny redrawing stuff as windows pass over each other, etc.
[04:20] <keffo> oh
[04:20] <keffo> hendps:
[04:20] <keffo> you to?
[04:20] <keffo> what problems?
[04:20] <Blackice1963> i did
[04:21] <keffo> Blackice1963: www.ubuntuguide.org
[04:21] <keffo> there should be a short short guide
[04:21] <hendps> kotatsu, i've been getting weird redraw problems which i hope this fixes. like when i switch desktops, some text isnt redrawn completely. i'll see how it goes
[04:21] <mackid> hey, can anyone tell me how to get DVDs to play in hoary?  i'm having a problem...
[04:22] <kotatsu> mackid: what's your problem? do you have dvdcss installed?
[04:22] <hendps> keffo, i had the composite extension enabled in my xorg.conf, and it was stopping the ati dri module from being loaded when I started X. which meant no accelerated X
[04:22] <keffo> ok, are you guys using hoary? since due to some damn weird reason my fglx aint 'autostart':able.. i have to start it manyally
[04:22] <keffo> oh ok
[04:22] <keffo> how did you fix it hten?
[04:22] <keffo> then*
[04:22] <kotatsu> keffo: what do you mean, autostart?
[04:22] <kotatsu> like you have to load the module by hand?
[04:22] <hendps> i took the composite extension out of xorg.conf
[04:22] <keffo> hm, i get 'cannot start xserver blablabla'
[04:22] <keffo> and then i have to open another terminal
[04:22] <hendps> keffo, is the fglrx entry in your /etc/modules
[04:22] <mackid> kotatsu: yes, i do, and when i try to play a DVD in gxine, it shows the FBI warning, then the menu, but it's all distorted and the output to the console where i opened gxine says "stream not demultiplexed ?"
[04:22] <keffo> typ /etc/init.d/gdm stop / start
[04:23] <keffo> yey
[04:23] <mackid> kotatsu: in xine-ui, it just shows the FBI warning then stops.  in mplayer, it won't show a thing
[04:23] <kotatsu> mackid: oh, not sure then =( that's beyond anything I know hehe
[04:23] <gilles> I have got the following error msg: shfsmount: shfs filesystem not supported by the kernel
[04:23] <keffo> hendps: how did you fix that?
[04:23] <mackid> kotatsu, thanks anyway
[04:23] <kotatsu> keffo: and it works after that? what errors do you get in your Xorg log?
[04:23] <snake> mackid: did u try with totem?
[04:23] <keffo> kotatsu: no errors
[04:23] <soulsniper> mackid: have you got X hardware accelerated?
[04:23] <mackid> snake: no, i didn't, but i can right now.
[04:23] <mackid> soulsniper, yes i do
[04:24] <keffo> my friend've been trying for days now
[04:24] <keffo> no-one seems to know the problem
[04:24] <keffo> ;P
[04:24] <hendps> keffo, i've not had any problems with the fglrx module loading. afaik if it's in /etc/modules you should be good to go
[04:24] <mackid> Unreal Tournament 2004 demo runs great
[04:24] <kotatsu> keffo: if it says it cannot start the X server there must be errors of some sort...
[04:24] <keffo> yes, first.. its just that it couldnt be loaded
[04:24] <keffo> i dunno really, i wait until he gets back
[04:24] <kotatsu> hendps: you don't even need it in your modules file, the server will load it if it's not already when the server starts
[04:24] <keffo> he knows more about it than i do
[04:24] <hendps> kotatsu, oh right, cool.
[04:24] <keffo> hendps:
[04:25] <keffo> how did you fix that composite prob etc..
[04:25] <kotatsu> keffo: also, you only need the fgrlx kernel module for DRI support... the fgrlx X server driver will give you 2d even if the kernel module isn't available
[04:25] <hendps> keffo, i opened the xorg.conf file, and took the compoite entry out, then restarted X
[04:25] <keffo> okok
[04:26] <Blackice1963> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[04:26] <Blackice1963> E: Couldn't find package flashplayer-mozilla
[04:26] <mackid> snake, it doesn't work in totem either.. it can't even open the disk, and when i try to play an individual .VOB file, it says it can't determine the type of stream
[04:26] <Blackice1963> its not
[04:27] <keffo> hm
[04:27] <keffo> Blackice1963:
[04:27] <keffo> try libflash-mozplugin
[04:27] <Blackice1963> yes
[04:27] <Blackice1963> ok
[04:27] <mackid> snake, i just got it to work in totem, but it just started playing the movie, it didn't give me the menu
[04:28] <keffo> omg
[04:28] <soulsniper> Blackice1963: do you have universe repo setup?
[04:28] <keffo> brainloss
[04:28] <keffo> command for reloaded them modules?
[04:28] <keffo> or i dont have to do that after editing /etc/modu..
[04:28] <snake> mackid: press M for menu ?
[04:29] <mackid> snake, if i choose "DVD Menu" from the Go menu (that's like pressing M), ubuntu just does it's little bongo sound
[04:30] <mackid> snake, also, the sound and the video is fine, but they don't match up.  probably a second off or so
[04:32] <kotatsu> mackid: is dma enabled on you dvd drive?
[04:32] <mackid> kotatsu, no it isn't.  how would i enable it?
[04:33] <kotatsu> $ sudo hdparm -d /dev/hda
[04:33] <kotatsu> I think
[04:33] <kotatsu> or maybe $ sudo hdparm -d 1 /dev/hda
[04:33] <kotatsu> not sure
[04:34] <snake> hey guys, is some1 using an ieee1394 dvd drive? I was following instructions to run it like a scsi drive , but i found hoary doesnt have scsi devices in the /dev... do i have to recompile kernel to add devices? (it looks like the modules are working, though) (or is there another way?)
[04:34] <mackid> got it, thanks.. lets see if that helps
[04:34] <kotatsu> I had problems on an old laptop with dvd playback (sound/video not syncing up) until I enabled dma at one point
[04:34] <kotatsu> but that was like 2 years ago
[04:35] <sihen> hi
[04:35] <mackid> kotatsu, i think it made it match up a little more, but it's still not in sync..
[04:36] <blicksky> hey
[04:36] <mackid> i got this output on the console..
[04:36] <mackid> No accelerated IMDCT transform found
[04:36] <blicksky> i'm having some trouble re-compiling shfs after a kernel update...does anyone have any experience with that?
[04:37] <kotatsu> mackid is this a relatively recent laptop, and are you running the stock ubuntu kernel?
[04:38] <mackid> kotatsu, it's not a laptop, and i'm running hoary preview.. 2.6.10-4-386.  regardless, i just got it to work!
[04:38] <mackid> after i turned DMA on, it plays fine in gxine, menus and everything
[04:39] <devazion> Hi, is there any ftp deamon/server that i can easily configure via GUI? :) Thanks! (It dont have to be advanced)
[04:39] <kotatsu> but not on totem?
[04:39] <dabi> hmm my apache2 has this: Apache/2.0.53 (Ubuntu) Server at 172.26.0.2 Port 80 on directory browsing.. how do i change it? i didint find it from config..
[04:39] <kotatsu> OH, do you have totem-gstreamer or totem-xine installed? that could be your problem
[04:39] <sihen> hello all
[04:39] <mackid> kotatsu, totem doesn't show the menu, it just starts playing the first title, and the sound and video aren't in sync
[04:39] <sihen> could someone possible help me?
[04:39] <SowWn> anybody running vmware?
[04:39] <mackid> kotatsu, i don't think i do.  regardless, it works in gxine =D
[04:40] <Vjaz> sihen: depends on your problem
[04:40] <ikaro> hellas everyone
[04:40] <sihen> Vjaz, for some reason my ubuntu does not pick up my SATA drive at all
[04:40] <kotatsu> mackid: well, you have to have one or the other installed... I'm guessing that you have totem-gstreamer (default backend) installed, which is still rather sucky
[04:40] <kotatsu> totem-xine just works better
[04:40] <Vjaz> sihen: Ok, I don't have any SATA-drives, so I can't help with that.
[04:40] <kotatsu> I'm sure gxine uses xine for playback
[04:40] <sihen> ok ta
[04:41] <blicksky> can anyone help me recompile a kernel module, specifically shfs?
[04:41] <ikaro> sihen, which mainboard do you have?
[04:41] <mackid> kotatsu, i just installed totem-xine, and now DVDs play in totem as well, with the menu
[04:41] <LordGrunt> im running kde 3.4, and my kmail refuses to start. i have kontact as well, and kmail opens fine inside
[04:41] <LordGrunt> it segfaults
[04:41] <sihen> ikaro, mainboard? motherboard is a gigabyte
[04:41] <Riddell> LordGrunt: know problem, we're working on it
[04:41] <kotatsu> mackid: heh, sure enough... should've known from the get go =P I always forget that totem-gstreamer is the default backend
[04:41] <Riddell> LordGrunt: known problem, we're working on it
[04:41] <ikaro> sihen, and the model is what ? :>
[04:42] <mackid> does anyone have a preference for a DVD player in ubuntu?  i'm asking for opinions, here
[04:42] <LordGrunt> Riddell: thanks. but why is that, can u explain me?
[04:42] <sihen> ikaro, hmm i would need to scratch around for the box.. all i know if it works fine in winblows :(
[04:42] <kotatsu> I don't generally watch DVDs on my computer, but when I'm serious about actually sitting down and watching I use straight xine
[04:42] <ikaro> sihen, if you want help, you need to know which hardware you have.
[04:42] <blicksky> mackid, i use VLC
[04:43] <kotatsu> if I just want to see a specific part of a DVD or something totem works well enough
[04:43] <sihen> ikaro, u want my motherboard model or the hd ?
[04:43] <ikaro> sihen, the mainboard, specifically which chipset it uses.
[04:43] <sihen> let me check brb
[04:44] <blicksky> but heh, last call on anyone who can help me with a kernel module?
[04:44] <ikaro> sihen, if your distro doesnt find the sata drives, then you need to know which driver to compile in the kernel.. for example nvidia nforce, or via or something else.
[04:44] <snake> blicksky: what module? and what do u want to do?
[04:45] <blicksky> hey, i had shfs running with 2.6.8.1-4, but the kernel got updated to 2.6.8.1-5 in a 'mark all upgrades' run in synaptic....and i can't seem to get shfs running again
[04:45] <sihen> ikaro, the box says P4 Titan series 8TRS 350MT - FSB800 motherboard. ATi RS350 chipset
[04:45] <Riddell> LordGrunt: it's because KDE PIM 3.4 isn't in hoary yet, and KDE 3.3 kmail doesn't like KDE 3.4 libs for some reason
[04:45] <kotatsu> blicksky: modprobe doesn't load it?
[04:46] <blicksky> i haven't tried that, i was playing with module-assisstant
[04:46] <LordGrunt> Riddell: so i can use kontact for some time untill fix is released? and when that could be?
[04:46] <kotatsu> try using modprobe and see if you get an error message
[04:46] <blicksky> kotatsu: "FATAL: Module shfs not found."
[04:46] <kotatsu> heh, suck
[04:47] <blicksky> =P i do have to recompile for the new kernel, right?
[04:47] <kotatsu> is shfs the module name? I dunno what that is
[04:47] <Riddell> LordGrunt: today with any luck
[04:47] <blicksky> its a a file system wrapper for SSH, so I can work on a remote server transparently
[04:47] <blicksky> its pretty nifty, when it works =)
[04:48] <kotatsu> ah
[04:48] <kotatsu> maybe it was deprecated?
[04:48] <kotatsu> I just use gnome volumes for sftp access
[04:48] <ikaro> sihen, 2 sek
[04:48] <kotatsu> although that doesn't work with every program of course
[04:49] <blicksky> i don't think so...the only problem I'm having is that i built the module for -4, so when i upgraded to -5, it doesn't work anymore
[04:49] <sihen> ikaro, ta
[04:49] <NixerX> ogra_away Do you know much about channel bonding?
[04:49] <kotatsu> oh! so it's not something in the kernel, it's your own module
[04:49] <mackid> hey, how do i add programs to my Applications menu?  the info on ubuntu-guide doesn't work.. i'm running hoary
[04:50] <blicksky> yea, but it is synaptic in universe
[04:50] <kotatsu> you probably just need to install the kernel headers or kernel source for the new one, then recompile
[04:50] <kotatsu> mackid: it doesn't work like that anymore. now you have to create your own .desktop files. have fun!
[04:51] <kotatsu> if they didn't have a menu editor ready they shouldn't have moved over to the freedesktop.org menu system... it's as simple as that
[04:51] <kotatsu> grrrr
[04:51] <lech> it's like this with fedora too
[04:51] <mackid> kotatsu, sounds great, i look forward to making .desktop files
[04:51] <ikaro> sihen, cant find it in the website
[04:51] <mackid> =P
[04:51] <ikaro> sihen, old model maybe ?
[04:51] <edgardito> hi, i have 2 NTFS partitions, 1 raiser (with mandrake) and 1 swap. i want to install ubuntu over mandrake, can i do this easyly without breaking the other partitions?
[04:52] <sihen> ikaro, its about 6 months old
[04:52] <ikaro> sihen, try lspci
[04:52] <blicksky> alright, well arigatoo, kotatsu =P i'll keep playing with it
[04:52] <sihen> ikaro, lspci?
[04:52] <ikaro> sihen, type lspci in a terminal.
[04:52] <snake> last call for some1 using ieee1394 dvd drive in hoary? (before i start messing with kernel)
[04:53] <sihen> ikaro, its not even showing in dmesg
[04:53] <MFen> has anyone here used runit?  i'm trying to figure out how to get reverse dependant services to come down automatically when the parent service dies
[04:53] <MFen> or, just as good, to have them restart automatically when the parent service starts
[04:53] <sihen> you want me to paste lspci? its a lil large
[04:53] <ikaro> sihen, no dont paste it
[04:53] <kotatsu> blicksky: where did you find that module, btw? sounds interesting, I'd like to try it
[04:53] <ikaro> sihen,  /q me and paste it there
[04:54] <Xappe> edgardito, yes. just reformat your mdk partition during install and flag it as root
[04:55] <deFrysk> hmm new firefox in hoary :)
[04:55] <ikaro> sihen, got that ?
[04:56] <xerox> Can someone point me to hoary installation cd?
[04:56] <sihen> ikaro, i have pasted it to you in msg
[04:56] <Seq> does anybody know if there is a way to rename the folder favourites (the ones used in file dialogs)?
[04:57] <deFrysk> xerox, http://archive.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily/current/
[04:57] <xerox> deFrysk, thank you.
[04:57] <Xappe> xerox, check the topic ;)
[04:57] <xerox> Xappe, whoops :)
[04:57] <deFrysk> omg its in topic too hehe
[05:04] <difeta> when i try to change my theme in gnome, there isn't a preview of the theme. Any ideas on how to fix this?
[05:05] <deFrysk> difeta, as soon as you select the theme it should be applied to your desktop
[05:05] <deFrysk> difeta, in that way its your preview
[05:06] <difeta> deFrysk, well that behavor happens. but its not a preview
[05:06] <kotatsu> difeta: using compositing? my preview doesn't seem to work when I use that
[05:06] <kotatsu> no idea why though
[05:06] <difeta> kotatsu, yes i am
[05:06] <kotatsu> my cpu goes to 100% though =P
[05:07] <difeta> kotatsu, hmm let me check it out
[05:07] <Blissex> difeta: you trying to split hairs? :-)
[05:07] <kotatsu> for some reason it spins its wheels trying to create theme previews but never actually finishes them... not sure, it's some weird compositing thing
[05:08] <difeta> Blissex, no.. why?
[05:08] <motuline> YEA!
[05:08] <motuline> Now my ati drivers work ^^
[05:08] <motuline> motu@haxbox:~$ fglrxinfo
[05:08] <motuline> display: :0.0  screen: 0
[05:08] <motuline> OpenGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc.
[05:08] <motuline> OpenGL renderer string: RADEON 9600 XT Generic
[05:08] <motuline> OpenGL version string: 1.3.4769 (X4.3.0-8.8.25)
[05:09] <Bubbling_Zombie> ?nice :p
[05:09] <motuline> hell yea
[05:12] <goldfish> http://www.big-boys.com/articles/lawnfly.html
[05:12] <keyhack> From Fedora, I was able to rlogin into a Solaris box just fine, now that I'm on Ubuntu, I try the same rlogin command, and it simply says "Permission denied" (w/o asking for a password yet)
[05:12] <keyhack> What could be the problem? Why is Ubuntu's rlogin so different from Fedoras?
[05:12] <motuline> root?
[05:13] <motuline> have you made root password
[05:13] <keyhack> doing it exactly the same
[05:13] <Blissex> keyhack: consider SSH etc.
[05:13] <keyhack> yeah, I have
[05:13] <keyhack> Blissex: not my choice
[05:14] <snake> at least in hoary rlogin points to ssh
[05:14] <keyhack> the issue is, it worked fine on Fedora, and now its not on Ubuntu
[05:14] <n0mad> hi ya all!
[05:14] <Blissex> keyhack: consider what 'smake' said...
[05:14] <n0mad> i just installed hoary... my first complete linux system after trying the whole last week to install gentoo
[05:14] <n0mad> i need a pinch of a help though
[05:15] <n0mad> sound doesn't work
[05:15] <n0mad> can anyone help me about it?
[05:15] <keyhack> Blissex: so then how do I fix it?
[05:15] <n0mad> anyone at all?
[05:15] <Blissex> keyhack: well, install 'rlogin'... The real one.
[05:16] <n0mad> please? :)
[05:16] <n0mad> pretty please with sugar on tops? :)
[05:16] <snake> keyhack: rsh-client is the package with the real rlogin (its in universe)
[05:17] <dazed> hey can anyonoe help me setup my wireless cardi already tried ndiswrapper but it stillcant pick up the card
[05:17] <keyhack> snake: How do I access those?
[05:18] <n0mad> hmmm, i thought ubuntu community will be the most helpful one.... :)
[05:18] <keyhack> snake: nm got it
[05:18] <n0mad> i mean, that's whats ubuntu all about :)
[05:18] <snake> keyhack: :)
[05:18] <Nermal> n0mad, need error messages / logfiles / etc
[05:18] <desrt> n0mad; blackmail seldom works
[05:18] <Bubbling_Zombie> n0mad, have you seen on google if it is a known problem?
[05:18] <desrt> n0mad; you'll find it's much more helpful to ask more specific questions
[05:19] <Nermal> plus hoary is a development branch so expect things not to work
[05:19] <n0mad> i googled it, posted it on ubuntu forums, everything...
[05:19] <n0mad> no help
[05:19] <dazed> so can anyone help?
[05:19] <desrt> so ask a specific question, here
[05:19] <snake> n0mad: sound card's chipset?
[05:19] <desrt> my [xxx]  soundcard isn't working [in this way] 
[05:19] <n0mad> nforce3 250, amd64, intel8x0
[05:20] <kotatsu> n0mad: error messages? if no errors, first place I would check is your mixer hehe... sounds might be turned down
[05:20] <n0mad> i'll tell everything (even give root access) if anyone can help me with this
[05:20] <kotatsu> alsa tends to reset itself far too frequently
[05:20] <dazed> n0mad
[05:20] <kotatsu> n0mad: just give a little more infor, we're willing to help...
[05:20] <dazed> tell us the problem
[05:20] <kotatsu> info*
[05:20] <desrt> give info, not root.
[05:20] <desrt> :)
[05:20] <n0mad> no error messages, apps play the files, nothing is muted, but no sound
[05:20] <kotatsu> no, give root too!
[05:21] <n0mad> even not on login
[05:21] <kotatsu> ^^
[05:21] <dazed> no sound on anything?
[05:21] <n0mad> nope
[05:21] <kotatsu> sounds like your mixer settings
[05:21] <dazed> yeah
[05:21] <desrt> n0mad; do you have more than one sound card?
[05:21] <n0mad> maybe...
[05:21] <n0mad> no
[05:21] <desrt> are you sure?  including onboard?
[05:21] <Nermal> n0mad, try using the multimedia selector
[05:21] <Nermal> in system -> preferences
[05:21] <kotatsu> pop open Applications --> Sound & Video --> Volume Control
[05:21] <desrt> Nermal; that's not the problem
[05:21] <n0mad> what should i choose
[05:21] <kotatsu> you might not have all your sliders visible
[05:21] <Nermal> alsa ?
[05:21] <n0mad> i tried alsa and everything... no sound
[05:21] <desrt> k.  stop.
[05:21] <desrt> n0mad; go into alsamixer
[05:22] <desrt> it's a command-line tool
[05:22] <dazed> So can anyone helpme setup my wireless G card? it doesnt pick it up after i install the .inf but i think im installing the wrong .inf
[05:22] <desrt> it has every mixer channel on your system
[05:22] <n0mad> i did... and everything seems to be okay there
[05:22] <desrt> play a song and turn all the channels up until it starts working
[05:22] <n0mad> okay... brb
[05:22] <desrt> on my desktop i had to enable 'audigy analog' and on my laptop some other weird thing
[05:22] <dmoyne> hello ! ; I have a question regarding opening a graphic session in root mode from a console from a normal user session ; what needs be configured to do so ; thanks
[05:22] <desrt> n0mad;  some channels look like [OO] 
[05:23] <desrt> and some like [MM] 
[05:23] <kotatsu> dmoyne: you mean like xnest? in a window on your current desktop?
[05:23] <desrt> [MM]  means that it's muted... the 'm' key will turn it on
[05:23] <membreya> ooo firefox 1.0.1 is in the repo's :)
[05:23] <n0mad> no still, no sound, i turned on every channel and lifted it up to 100%
[05:23] <desrt> n0mad; that was fast :)
[05:23] <desrt> how many were in there?
[05:23] <dazed> uh oh
[05:23] <n0mad> desrt, i know... i'm desparate
[05:24] <n0mad> desrt, i'm an audiophile of sort
[05:24] <n0mad> desrt, have to have music running all day.. literally
[05:24] <desrt> audiophiles don't own intel8x0 cards :)
[05:24] <n0mad> desrt, poot audiophile lol
[05:24] <n0mad> desrt, *poor
[05:24] <desrt> no such thing :)
[05:24] <n0mad> lol
[05:24] <NixerX> n0mad I have an AP card.
[05:24] <desrt> gotta spend $400 on speaker cable :)
[05:25] <mackid> haha.
[05:25] <desrt> actually, as it goes, i guess all audiophiles end up poor in the end
[05:25] <n0mad> okay.... for now, i'll just try to fix this one...
[05:25] <desrt> :)
[05:25] <NixerX> What Audiophile card?
[05:25] <n0mad> please, help?
[05:25] <kotatsu> and $800 on sound absorbing feet!
[05:26] <n0mad> (i have to stop saying 'please')
[05:26] <desrt> n0mad; you seem to have exausted the resources of this place
[05:26] <NixerX> n0mad are you the guy w/the audiophile card?
[05:26] <desrt> are you using rhythmbox?
[05:26] <n0mad> NixerX, no
[05:26] <n0mad> desrt, yes
[05:26] <NixerX> n0mad what card then?
[05:26] <desrt> ok
[05:26] <desrt> install ogg123
[05:26] <desrt> and edit /etc/libao.conf to use alsa
[05:26] <kotatsu> n0mad try multiple audio players with your mixer settings turned up/unmuted and see if you get different results
[05:26] <n0mad> i installed gstreamer0.8-mad
[05:26] <desrt> and use that to test things... it's more likely to work than rb
[05:27] <dazed> so who wants to try and fix me up
[05:27] <kotatsu> you generally wnat to try things repeatedly in different ways until you start getting errors/messages of some sort and can divine a pattern
[05:27] <kotatsu> best way to pin down your problem
[05:27] <NixerX> dazed whats up?
[05:27] <n0mad> hmm... it worked on warty
[05:28] <Nermal> hum
[05:28] <dazed> NixerX: i used ubuntu for a while now ... and some other linux distros...but this is my first install on laptop...everythigns fine sept it doesnt pick up my wireless card..i understand this so i got ndiswrapper...and took the whole driver folder i dl'd installed both .inf and it still doesnt pick up the card
[05:28] <Nermal> what do I install to let rhythmbox play mp3 files ?
[05:28] <n0mad> desrt, what's in /etc/libao.conf?
[05:29] <desrt> the libao defaults
[05:29] <kotatsu> dazed: ndiswrapper.sf.net - look through the compatibility list and see if anyone has notes about your particular card
[05:29] <n0mad> it just esound there
[05:29] <desrt> ya
[05:29] <Bubbling_Zombie> is there an utility like oxygen for linux? (for managing nokia mobile phones, in this case a 3100)
[05:29] <deFrysk> Nermal, gstreamer-mad
[05:29] <deFrysk> I think
[05:29] <desrt> actually, you know
[05:29] <NixerX> dazed what card?
[05:29] <desrt> go back to warty
[05:29] <dazed> kotatsu thanks ill check it out
[05:29] <desrt> that's the really simple solution
[05:29] <desrt> hoary is prerelease... it doesn't work right
[05:29] <dazed> Linksys Wireless G with speedbooster
[05:29] <desrt> if it works with warty, then use warty
[05:29] <Nermal> deFrysk, thanks :)
[05:30] <n0mad> desrt, i think i should try at least for an afternoon fixing this first... :)
[05:30] <deFrysk> Nermal, yw
[05:30] <desrt> ok
[05:30] <n0mad> desrt, but nvidia drivers don't work with warty
[05:30] <desrt> but don't expect everyone else to spend their entire afternoon too :)
[05:30] <NixerX> dazed do an lspci and copt the wirless adapter information here.
[05:30] <n0mad> that's why i switched to hoary... :)
[05:30] <kensai> I haven't used ubuntu since warty for some months now and I was following the hoary development but for some reasons I left following Ubuntu hoary, now I have Hoary preview installed and WOW so much has improved since ;)
[05:31] <dazed__> lol laptop just over heated
[05:31] <dazed__> let me get it back up
[05:31] <NixerX> kensai I agree. I dunno if its xorg or what but its nice.
[05:31] <n0mad> kensai, it did... except this anoying problem with sound i have
[05:32] <kensai> I see oss mixer
[05:32] <kensai> now this is frustrating me I should have alsa
[05:32] <Bubbling_Zombie> ... ok, i'll bring it to the forums then ;)
[05:32] <n0mad> kensai, u have sound?
[05:33] <kensai> Ohh ok I forgot to switch to nforce 2 sound
[05:33] <kensai> n0mad, let me see
[05:33] <n0mad> kensai, could u fix me up, please?
[05:33] <n0mad> kensai, tnx
[05:33] <Eddie063> I know you all love partition questions :) so here's one. Does the "swap" partition have to be a primary partition?
[05:33] <fabbione> Eddie063: no
[05:34] <deFrysk> no
[05:34] <fabbione> it can be any
[05:34] <NixerX> nah
[05:34] <kensai> n0mad, LOL i was having no sound and turned it was I had the speakers off
[05:34] <fabbione> even swap over lvm over md over a secondary partition
[05:34] <Eddie063> Thanks all of you :D . I'm gonna try to install Ubuntu on my laptop tonight.
[05:34] <kensai> n0mad, tell me whats happening with your sound
[05:34] <dazed__> NixerX: whatd you want me to do and post in here?
[05:34] <n0mad> everything runs nice with no errors, but no output... as if something was muted
[05:35] <Nermal> that's worse than capslock :P
[05:35] <motuline> What are the differents between commands ./ and sh ?
[05:35] <kensai> Nermal, thanks
[05:35] <n0mad> kensai, but in alsamixer i unmuted eveything and to a 100%
[05:35] <kensai> n0mad, did you run sudo alsaconf ?
[05:35] <fabbione> n0mad: what card do you have?
[05:35] <rossmacm> I got an e-mail with the subject "Cron <root@prometheus> test -e /usr/sbin/anacron || run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily" and the body "run-parts: /etc/cron.daily/exim4-base exited with return code 1". What does this mean?
[05:36] <n0mad> kensai, no...i'll try that... brb
[05:36] <NixerX> dazed__ if you lspci paste the output for the wirelss card only.
[05:36] <n0mad> kensai, command not found
[05:37] <keffoo> anyone got a Abit AN7 motherboard?
[05:37] <NixerX> rossmacm, not much.
[05:37] <rossmacm> NixerX, is there anything I need to do. Is there a problem?
[05:37] <dazed||lap> NixerX: i think th0000:02:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM94306 802.11g (rev 03)
[05:37] <kensai> so rare alsaconf not found?
[05:37] <dazed||lap>  is is the wireless card,
[05:37] <n0mad> kensai, yup
[05:38] <dazed||lap> is that the wireless card info?
[05:38] <NixerX> rossmacm, keep you eye on things but you houls be ok.
[05:38] <NixerX> dazed||lap , thats the chipset information as the kernel sees it.
[05:38] <rossmacm> NixerX, what does "houls" mean?
[05:38] <kensai> n0mad, which soundcard you have?
[05:39] <n0mad> kensai, how can i tell that? i know the driver is intel8x0 for sure, though
[05:39] <dazed||lap> NixerX join #flood so i can show my whole lspci
[05:39] <NixerX> rossmacm means im a crappy typer.
[05:39] <NixerX> dazed||lap I dont need to see all of it.
[05:39] <kensai> n0mad, thats same as mine and I have sound
[05:39] <dazed||lap> oh lol
[05:39] <NixerX> dazed||lap http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=16591&page=2&pp=10
[05:39] <NixerX> been there?
[05:39] <dazed||lap> what should i do then?
[05:39] <rossmacm> NixerX, what did you mean to type instead of "houls"?
[05:40] <n0mad> kensai, i habe chaintech nforce3 250 vnf3, and amd64
[05:40] <dazed||lap> ill go inspect
[05:40] <NixerX> rossmacm I meant you should be ok
[05:40] <kensai> n0mad, I have nforce 2 and should work equaly
[05:40] <NixerX> houls=should
[05:40] <NixerX> :)
[05:41] <n0mad> kensai, but it doesn;t
[05:41] <rossmacm> NixerX, what are the things I should watch out for? How can I make sure I am not relaying spam?
[05:41] <NixerX> rossmacm do you have a firewall?
[05:41] <rossmacm> not setup
[05:41] <kensai> n0mad, did you opened the volume control in gnome and go to file > change device and changed to alsa?
[05:42] <NixerX> so promethus has an wan interface with no firewall?
[05:42] <n0mad> kensai, yes... it still didn't worked
[05:42] <kensai> wow Hoary is so much faster
[05:42] <rossmacm> and it will be several days until it is set up, How can I check the server configuration to it won't relay spam?
[05:42] <kensai> n0mad, now this is rare maybe a problem with the x86_amd64 edition
[05:43] <n0mad> kensai, maybe
[05:43] <NixerX> rossmacm block port 25 on the external interface
[05:43] <kensai> n0mad, well maybe you had to wait till stable release
[05:43] <rossmacm> NixerX, how?
[05:43] <kensai> n0mad, or just post the problem at www.ubuntuforums.org
[05:43] <NixerX> rossmacm  iptables
[05:43] <n0mad> i'll reboot now.... brb
[05:43] <dazed> nixerx: that page doesnt tell me ... do i need Broadcom drivers now instead of the Linksys ones i have downloaded?
[05:44] <NixerX> do oyu have 2 wireless cards?
[05:44] <NixerX> dazed ^^
[05:44] <dazed> no
[05:44] <dazed> i have one
[05:44] <dazed> and its one u plug into the pci card slot
[05:44] <dazed> Linksys Wireless G
[05:44] <NixerX> then your cad is a broadcom in lynksys clothing
[05:44] <dazed> but it says its broadcom on the lspci
[05:45] <dazed> so i should get broadcom drivers?
[05:45] <deFrysk> dazed, on board sound ?
[05:45] <blueturtle> allo
[05:45] <dazed> yes
[05:45] <deFrysk> using it too ?
[05:45] <dazed> yes
[05:46] <deFrysk> or using a nother soundcard
[05:46] <dazed> well it works if thats what u mean
[05:46] <dazed> oh yeah
[05:46] <dazed> im using the onboard soundcard
[05:46] <deFrysk> ok
[05:46] <kensai> Using Linux and hearing some Good Hardcore music like Shadows Fall is priceless
[05:46] <NixerX> dazes look here:
[05:47] <NixerX> dazed look here: http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/showproduct.php?product=810
[05:47] <NixerX> the post from user bareego maybe of interest.
[05:47] <Skid> hi, are there linux virus scanners?
[05:48] <Skid> I've been running linux as my desktop for a while now.. and only just wondered :)
[05:48] <dazed||lap> i have a bcmwl5.sys file in my folder witha ll my driver stuff...but it needs to be a .inf
[05:48] <NixerX> Skid http://www.clamav.net/
[05:48] <n0mad> kensai, no, nothing...
[05:48] <dazed||lap> i wonder why they made a .sys probably cuz they haev an autorun.inf
[05:48] <n0mad> kensai, why i don't have alsaconf?
[05:49] <kensai> n0mad, neither do I it is available in all linux distros except for ubuntu I can't use that command
[05:49] <NixerX> dazed||lap I messed up and bought a dlink dwl-630 thinking it would work under linux...oops.
[05:49] <dazed||lap> lol
[05:50] <dazed||lap> well im glad that mine will actually work i just need to download the actual right driver lol
[05:50] <NixerX> dazed||lap now i only buy cards i KNOW are supported....like the damn dwl-650
[05:50] <NixerX> dazed||lap personally i like cards that work OOTB
[05:50] <dazed> true
[05:50] <dazed> i like putting a lil work into my stuff though..makes u feel like you have done something
[05:50] <dazed> lol
[05:50] <kensai> now ubuntu looks more fancy than mandrake and that system with windows and holes all over it
[05:50] <Skid> NixerX: thanks
[05:51] <NixerX> dazed....build a gentoo box...that'll take care of that itch pdq
[05:51] <NixerX> Skid np!
[05:51] <kensai> Bah nvidia is broken in hoary?
[05:51] <irb> M$ doesn't want things to work with linux easily
[05:51] <dazed> NixerX: yeah...ill be RIGHT ON THAT hahhaha
[05:51] <xamdm> kensai, didn't notice latest kernel ??
[05:52] <NixerX> dazed It took me 3 days! And ive been a sysadmin for 7 years!
[05:52] <kensai> xamdm, I got nvidia latest driver working in gentoo with 2.6.11
[05:52] <garrut> nvidia works fine
[05:52] <NixerX> kensai did oyu package it for ubuntu?
[05:52] <dazed> yeah see..i couldnt do it
[05:52] <dazed> id freak out and throw it out the window
[05:52] <garrut> i'm using hoary with the latest nvidia drivers
[05:52] <kensai> NixerX, ???
[05:53] <NixerX> the nvidia drivers?
[05:53] <kensai> nah
[05:53] <kensai> thats too much work LOL
[05:53] <NixerX> heh.
[05:53] <dazed> jesus i cant find where to get bcmwl5.inf
[05:53] <xy77> Hi there. I am about to install sun-jre. The ubuntuguide tells me I should install it manually. Wouldn't it be better to create a .deb file from the jre-*.bin and install that?
[05:53] <NixerX> dazed find / | grep <filename>
[05:53] <kensai> NixerX, you have nvidia running?
[05:53] <deFrysk> xy77, making it manually is also described in the wikipages
[05:54] <NixerX> AAt home... I haven't tried hoary there yet.
[05:54] <dazed> its not on my comp
[05:54] <dazed> lol
[05:54] <dazed> i cant find where to dl it
[05:54] <NixerX> dazed ssh ?
[05:54] <dazed> all these pages are giving me the run around
[05:54] <kensai> NixerX, ohh ok I have hoary since I made my gentoo die
[05:54] <dazed> bring up the actual .inf text
[05:54] <dazed> im googlin it
[05:54] <xy77> deFrysk isn't it easier to maintain the package, when it is a .deb?
[05:54] <NixerX> kensai Gentoo from what stage?
[05:55] <deFrysk> xy77, if you wish to maintain it, do so ;)
[05:55] <kensai> NixerX, stage 3 since I didn't have time to go stage 1 and I haven't noticed any differnec in my system with stage 1 it runs just like with stage 3 ;)
[05:56] <n0mad> i did gentoo from stage one with minimal cd
[05:56] <n0mad> didn't knew how to setup sound, though
[05:56] <kensai> n0mad, then you are good
[05:56] <xy77> deFrysk I was just wondering, whether it wouldn't be better for beginners, not to install anything by copying and symlinking it.
[05:56] <NixerX> kensai gentoo from stage 3 also...its sad to see it go! what happend?
[05:56] <kensai> n0mad, lol I built my system in gentoo with 210 gnome
[05:56] <deFrysk> xy77, easyer is not always better
[05:56] <n0mad> kensai, sound problems seem to follow me everywhere... lol even gassy ones....
[05:56] <NixerX> n0mad do you have a job?
[05:57] <n0mad> NixerX, no
[05:57] <n0mad> NixerX, why's that?
[05:57] <kensai> NixerX, I stupid etc-update I did and replaced a config file that shouldn't be replaced and after that X locked
[05:57] <NixerX> thats why you have time to build from stage 1. lol
[05:57] <NixerX> kensai F%^k!
[05:58] <deFrysk> quick gentoo install ? use vidalinux
[05:58] <n0mad> wow
[05:58] <deFrysk> spletnit
[05:58] <kensai> n0mad, i just do a alsaconf and all problems are gone with sound LOL
[05:58] <NixerX> deFrysk VLOS is nice! especially porthole!
[05:58] <deFrysk> NixerX, porthole is aslo in gentoo unstable
[05:59] <kensai> deFrysk, I have used Vidalinux I know the creator he lives in the same place where I live and believe me Vidalinux is good too
[05:59] <n0mad> i get this error when i test alsa in Multimedia System Selector: Failed to construct test pipeline for 'ALSA - Advanced Linux Sound Architecture'
[05:59] <xy77> deFrysk what's better with manual installation then? (just curious)
[05:59] <NixerX> deFrysk I still wanted to do the gentoo install in a fit of extreme geekiness.
[05:59] <deFrysk> vidalinux should update its version
[05:59] <deFrysk> get a newer stage3
[05:59] <n0mad> kensai, that helped?
[05:59] <irb> do linuxfromscratch
[05:59] <kensai> deFrysk, they are about to update as we speak
[06:00] <NixerX> irb Idid that 2 yrs ago.
[06:00] <deFrysk> kensai, about time , the standard update to stable does now over 140 packs
[06:00] <NixerX> irb very educational..but it sucked!
[06:00] <kensai> n0mad, tahts a little bit of chinese for me since I haven't had taht error never
[06:00] <irb> fun and learn a lot from the time spent
[06:00] <deFrysk> thats about everything
[06:00] <kensai> deFrysk, yeah
[06:00] <NixerX> Anyway I still love Ubuntu to death!
[06:01] <dabi> hmm my apache2 has this: Apache/2.0.53 (Ubuntu) Server at 172.26.0.2 Port 80 on directory browsing.. how do i change it? i didint find it from config..
[06:01] <deFrysk> Ubuntu has come a long way I think
[06:01] <kensai> NixerX, and after death? ;)
[06:01] <NixerX> kensai lol!
[06:01] <NixerX> dabi #apache?
[06:01] <kensai> NixerX, Ubuntu is the only OS I can give my Mother and say hey use this and browse the internet and maybe play a little
[06:02] <dabi> nixerx, just thinking it may be different in every linux..
[06:03] <NixerX> dabi the folks at #apache would be able to tell you where apache gets that info.
[06:03] <dabi> nixerx, k ty
[06:03] <Xappe> does gnomebaker support direct burning of bin/cue?
[06:03] <kensai> Now I'm ready to follow Grumpy Groundhog development
[06:03] <NixerX> kensai I have deployed several Warty boxes as server for clients....
[06:03] <dazed> does anyone know where to download bcmwl5.inf????
[06:03] <kensai> NixerX, warty is very stable for servers
[06:03] <NixerX> kensai Absolutely!
[06:04] <NixerX> just as fast as my gentoo box too
[06:04] <kensai> now bring grumpy sources to use Ubuntu LOL
[06:04] <rossmacm> NixerX, to block port 25 on the external interface to prevent mail relaying should do iptables -A PREROUTING dport port: 25 j DROP
[06:04] <NixerX> lol
[06:05] <kensai> NixerX, this I'm noticing that my hoary box is running at the same speed as the gentoo one so f&8*K gentoo now LOL
[06:05] <dazed> anyboyd know where to download bcmwl5.inf?
[06:05] <maxchee> I have accidentally removed fstab, is there anyway to reestablish it?
[06:05] <kensai> dazed, google?
[06:05] <kensai> maxchee, LOL
[06:05] <dazed> i tried knesai...it keeps giving me the loop
[06:05] <n0mad> kensai, i installed gnome-alsamixer, and unmuted and turned up every single thing... still doesn't work...
[06:05] <NixerX> rossmacm something like that.
[06:05] <spades> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22index+of%22++bcmwl5.inf&btnG=Google+Search
[06:06] <maxchee> yes, that was stupid of me
[06:06] <dazed> it wont give me the file just tons of info about the file
[06:06] <NixerX> kensai True!
[06:06] <deFrysk> maxchee rewrite it
[06:06] <rossmacm> NixerX, please double check the rule thanks.
[06:06] <maxchee> ?
[06:06] <maxchee> the file is removed
[06:06] <maxchee> should I try to use the reiserfs utils?
[06:06] <maxchee> to recover it
[06:06] <deFrysk> maxchee, nano -w /etc/fstab
[06:06] <kensai> n0mad, by GOD please that nforce 3 is posesed by some demons?
[06:06] <deFrysk> and start writing
[06:06] <motuline> Append the following lines at the end of file
[06:06] <motuline> JAVA_HOME=/usr/java/jre1.5.0_01
[06:06] <motuline> export JAVA_HOME
[06:06] <motuline> PATH=$PATH:$JAVA_HOME/bin
[06:06] <motuline> export PATH
[06:06] <motuline> java says that
[06:07] <motuline> i mean java installation guide
[06:07] <NixerX> rossmacm are you maquerading?
[06:07] <n0mad> kensai, i should do exorcism on it...
[06:07] <kensai> n0mad, ;)
[06:07] <rossmacm> NixerX, what is maquerading?
[06:07] <n0mad> kensai, then burn it, together with stupid geforce
[06:07] <n0mad> kensai, i started hating nvidia
[06:07] <motuline> but when i change JAVA_HOME to /usr/java/jdk... it says that its directory and it wont work :/
[06:07] <NixerX> rossmacm how much of iptables do you know?
[06:08] <kensai> n0mad, no never do that you'll be led to stupid ati and they don't have linux support
[06:08] <rossmacm> NixerX, absolutely nothing?
[06:08] <maxchee> dyFrysk: and it brings up an empty file
[06:08] <dazed> so no one knows where to get bcmwl5?
[06:08] <deFrysk> maxchee, yes
[06:08] <kensai> n0mad, nvidia has one of the largest Linux databases to test their chips
[06:08] <n0mad> kensai, nothing works on nvidia.... sata problems, sound problems, video driver problems
[06:08] <deFrysk> maxchee, you will have to write a new one
[06:08] <NixerX> rossmacm I would say you must understand the process of NAT via iptables first. I
[06:08] <NixerX> rossmacm its not to complicated.
[06:08] <kensai> n0mad, I have an nvidia based motherboard and a geforce 3 and everything has gone fine
[06:09] <maxchee> deFrysk: is it possible to use partman of d-i to recreate a fstab?
[06:09] <maxchee> deFrysk: I prefer automagic solutions
[06:09] <rossmacm> I understand what NAt is and I have configured other routers/firewalls to use it but I'm not using NAT.
[06:09] <NixerX> rossmacm start here http://netfilter.org/ they have good real world tutorials.
[06:09] <cmoreno8> Hello ... anybody uses Ubuntu in a  laptop???
[06:09] <NixerX> cmoreno8 yes.
[06:09] <deFrysk> maxchee, I think thats almost impossible if its gone
[06:10] <maxchee> deFrysk: okay, but can you send me your fstab?
[06:10] <cmoreno8> sorry ... do you have any program like netenv to change network interfaces??
[06:10] <deFrysk> maxchee, i'll put it online for you , a sec
[06:10] <kensai> how do i turn off the stupid ubuntu sounds? LOL
[06:10] <NixerX> cmoreno8 the networking panel under system.
[06:10] <kensai> I don't want to hear the broken tamborine everytime I click something
[06:11] <dwa__> omg
[06:11] <dwa_> stupid question galore in here
[06:11] <garrut> tough one kensai.. *sigh*
[06:11] <motuline> hmm..
[06:11] <kensai> garrut, i believe since I have never tried
[06:11] <dwa_> kensai, have you ever thought of using the menu?
[06:11] <motuline> bash: /usr/java/jdk1.5.0_02/bin: is a directory
[06:11] <motuline> motu@haxbox:~$
[06:11] <motuline> why it says so
[06:12] <motuline> :o
[06:12] <kensai> dwa_, well some times but for the most things there is good terminal so menus are useless ;)
[06:12] <NixerX> kensai computer->system config->sounds
[06:12] <cmoreno8> NixerX yes .. but i want to change my network address depending of my location ... with the panel I have to change manually all the parameters
[06:12] <sri> man, whats the flamewar on debian-dev about?  I wanna hear about the mud slinging!
[06:12] <NixerX> check that...
[06:13] <n0mad> motuline, i had the same problem... try running nautilus as a root, and copy it there... it worked for me
[06:13] <NixerX> kensai computer->desktop prefs->sounds
[06:13] <deFrysk> maxchee, example fstab : http://johanvrt.tomaatnet.nl/fstab
[06:13] <deFrysk> maxchee, simply adjust it to your needs
[06:13] <kensai> NixerX, LOL is just that I had never used sound
[06:13] <maxchee> deFrysk: thx a lot
[06:14] <deFrysk> maxchee, and stop playing with sudo ;p
[06:14] <NixerX> cmoreno8 isnt there a profiles section?
[06:14] <kensai> anyways the only problem I had with the Ubuntu installation is that I spent like 30 minutes trying to find Puerto Rico in the tiem zones and never found it
[06:15] <cmoreno8> NixerX .... one moment ...
[06:15] <kensai> In warty I just hit others>america>Puerto Rico
[06:15] <NixerX> kensai thats not cool!
[06:15] <garrut> lol
[06:15] <kensai> now they erased Puerto rico from the world
[06:16] <kensai> ubuntu doesn't care about us
[06:16] <deFrysk> kensai, its the vida syndrome
[06:16] <kensai> deFrysk, I should go wit a Puerto Rican distro like Vidalinux ;)
[06:16] <NixerX> lol
[06:17] <cmoreno8> NixerX yes!! but ...humm ... you start the system and after change the profile, no??
[06:17] <deFrysk> kensai, you should indeed hehe
[06:17] <kensai> deFrysk, hehe I know PR should be there somewhere but didn't found it
[06:17] <kensai> I should ask Mark Shuttleword
[06:17] <kensai> is that his name?
[06:17] <mirage_> is there KDE in ubuntu?
[06:18] <kensai> mirage_, use Kubuntu
[06:18] <NixerX> cmoreno8 dunno I never used them.
[06:18] <NixerX> Kubuntu runs good for alpha
[06:18] <deFrysk> kubuntu did not work on my box
[06:19] <mirage_> how old ubuntu?
[06:19] <deFrysk> kernel panic during boot of cd
[06:19] <Riddell> deFrysk: what didn't work?
[06:19] <cmoreno8> NixerX jajaj ... :D okis ... no problem ... I test it because netenv doesn't work very well ...
[06:19] <kensai> deFrysk. because It have kde and is bloated LOL
[06:19] <Riddell> deFrysk: oh well, that's not KDE's fault
[06:19] <deFrysk> kensai, indeed
[06:19] <LinuxJones> mirage_, it was released back in October
[06:19] <deFrysk> Riddell, yes it is !!
[06:19] <deFrysk> ;p
[06:19] <kensai> deFrysk, it has kthis kthat and khere applications LOL
[06:19] <LinuxJones> mirage_, New version being released in April
[06:19] <Riddell> deFrysk: hmm, no.  if linux panic's that's definatly not KDE's fault
[06:20] <deFrysk> hehe Riddell
[06:20] <deFrysk> kensai, your name should be gensai
[06:20] <kensai> I should change my nick to don't have a K since I must be mistaken with a new kde application
[06:21] <deFrysk> mirage_, april6 to be precise
[06:21] <deFrysk> kensai, yes
[06:21] <kensai> deFrysk, superb idea thanks
[06:21] <kensai> but I hav registered kensai already :(
[06:22] <deFrysk> ;p
[06:22] <kensai> LOL
[06:22] <deFrysk> or kdeFrysk ?
[06:22] <deFrysk> ;p
[06:22] <kensai> we shall dight for a world without K's
[06:22] <mirage_> LinuxJones, when ubuntu was founded?
[06:22] <njan> rofl @ deFrysk & kensai
[06:22] <Bubbling_Zombie> hey, just because you can't handle KDE doesn't make it bad
[06:22] <LinuxJones> mirage_, I am not sure probably a year or so
[06:23] <njan> tbh, if I were the linux kernel, I'd be panicing if someone tried to run KDE on me.
[06:23] <Bubbling_Zombie> pah :p
[06:24] <LinuxJones> mirage_, But it is building off of the work of Debian. Alot of the developers who now work for Canonical (the company behind Ubuntu) worked on Debian/Gnome.
[06:24] <Bubbling_Zombie> anyhowz
[06:25] <deFrysk> but do not use it
[06:25] <deFrysk> only amarok
[06:25] <deFrysk> and k3b
[06:26] <irb> why does the ruby package load as ruby1.8?
[06:27] <kensai> njan, lol
[06:27] <kensai> njan, sorry a read you late
[06:27] <keffoo> hm, how do i unbun or something tar.bz2 <-
[06:27] <keffoo> this format
[06:27] <keffoo> .
[06:28] <keffoo> fixed it
[06:28] <keffoo> blargh
[06:28] <mirage_> where from is soft of universe section? from debian or it's packagin by ubuntu team?
[06:28] <dud> tar jxfv file
[06:29] <cmoreno8> do you know if gambas is in hoary??
[06:29] <Riddell> cmoreno8: it is
[06:30] <johso> hmm, does anyone know how to fix multiple sounds at once? If I play music I can't hear Gaim, the same thing with movies etc. Like, the sound may only be used by one thing at a time or something like that...
[06:30] <cmoreno8> riddell ok!! perfect!! i would like test it ...
[06:33] <keffoo> whats is gambas?
[06:33] <sig> samba but gnomes samba I think
[06:33] <sig> apt-get cache search gambas
[06:33] <dud> apt-cache search gambas
[06:33] <dud> even
[06:34] <sig> woops
[06:34] <sig> apt-cache I mean
[06:34] <keffoo> ok
[06:34] <keffoo> im leaving mostly gnome now..
[06:34] <keffoo> going more n more over to flux
[06:35] <mirage_> is there icewm in ubuntu?
[06:36] <kensai> in hoary i can enable universe and multiverse?
[06:36] <cmoreno8> gambas is a ide for programming basic
[06:36] <b1k3r4ck> kensai: in synaptic?
[06:36] <cmoreno8> like visual basic but it is not a visual basic clone
[06:36] <cmoreno8> http://gambas.sourceforge.net/
[06:37] <kensai> b1k3r4ck, /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:38] <britt_work> hey, is anyone using multiple lang keyboard layouts?
[06:38] <b1k3r4ck> kensai:  deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[06:38] <mirage_> britt_work, yes
[06:38] <b1k3r4ck> kensai:  deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[06:38] <b1k3r4ck> oops
[06:39] <kensai> b1k3r4ck, I saw now
[06:39] <b1k3r4ck> kensai: deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[06:39] <kensai> b1k3r4ck, where do I need to put multiverse now?
[06:39] <kensai> haven't used ubuntu for a while
[06:40] <b1k3r4ck> not sure.. i'm not using multiverse .. i actually just started using ubuntu myself :)
[06:40] <kensai> LOL
[06:40] <mirage_> kensai, after universe
[06:41] <n0mad> ironically, i went to gentoo channel for help on ubuntu.. seems like they know something... lol
[06:42] <b1k3r4ck> what's in the multiverse repos? is it something i should add?
[06:42] <kensai> mirage_, and even in security universe?
[06:43] <kymon> hi
[06:43] <Bubbling_Zombie> back
[06:43] <kensai> I have the best question so far does gnome now support transparency and translucency without xcompmgr?
[06:43] <kensai> b1k3r4ck, more unsupported apps
[06:43] <brunch> Is there a better mixer than Alsa Mixer out there? I have a surround setup and i cannot get the rear speakers to play.
[06:44] <b1k3r4ck> ah .. well i'm always up for screwin with the unsupported :P
[06:44] <kymon> yelp crashes when i want to display documentation for kile, a latex editor, should that be reported as a bug?
[06:44] <kensai> b1k3r4ck, then add multiverse right next to universe
[06:44] <vixus> Hi... I have to reinstall Ubuntu, so I was wondering the quickest way to burn the contents of my home dir to cd.
[06:45] <vixus> from commandline
[06:45] <vixus> ?
[06:45] <RoGG> hackers!
[06:45] <RoGG> OH NOS
[06:45] <vixus> ok... can anyone help me out?
[06:46] <b1k3r4ck> not sure how from cmd line vix .. sorry
[06:46] <Hackmo> Hey all
[06:46] <b1k3r4ck> but i'm just a n00b myself ;)
[06:46] <vixus> b1k3r4ck: Yeah, know how you feel.
[06:46] <farruinn> vixus: bundle up your home directory in a tar and burn that with cdrecord?
[06:46] <brunch> Is there a better mixer than Alsa Mixer out there? I have a surround setup and i cannot get the rear speakers to play.
[06:47] <vixus> farruinn: Commandline? I'm a newbie.
[06:47] <mirage_> brunch, gnome-alsamixer
[06:47] <farruinn> brunch: We heard you the first time, just wait and if someone has an answer they'll give it
[06:47] <farruinn> like that =)
[06:47] <Hackmo> I just got an error when trying to ./configure Kismet and I got the error "no acceptable C complier found in $path", now I know what a C compiler is but I thought there was already one with ubuntu, is there on I could get in apt-get?
[06:47] <vixus> farruinn: Is it just tar /home/vixus?
[06:48] <brunch> thanks :-)
[06:48] <farruinn> vixus: that might do it, I don't use tar for much other than unzipping =)
[06:48] <n0mad> anyone here with nforce3 and sound issues
[06:48] <n0mad> ?
[06:48] <farruinn> vixus: tar --help might give some hints
[06:48] <vixus> farruinn: Ok... and cdrecord? How does that work?
[06:48] <rigbyd> A friend of mine is going to try Ubuntu on his powerpc, I'm a Gentoo user, does ubuntu have something comparable to portage? If so, can you point me in the direction of some documentation on how to use ubuntus package manager? Thanks.
[06:48] <farruinn> vixus: again, cdrecord --help and man cdrecord will help you
[06:49] <vixus> farruinn: It goes offscreen...
[06:49] <b1k3r4ck> rigbyd: ubuntu is debian based.. it uses apt
[06:49] <farruinn> vixus: tar --help | less =)
[06:49] <rigbyd> ah, is there a documentation page on apt?
[06:49] <Hackmo> Can anyone help me with my problem?
[06:49] <farruinn> rigbyd: of course =) see www.debian.org/doc, there is a great APT howto
[06:50] <farruinn> Hackmo: there is a package called build-essential or something, you'll want to apt-get that
[06:50] <Hackmo> ok thanks
[06:50] <LinuxJones> rigbyd, it works pretty much the same as portage without the compile wait time
[06:50] <mirage_> vixus, mkisofs -R /master/tree | cdrecord -v fs=6m speed=2 dev=2,0 -
[06:50] <vixus> farruinn: What if I wanted to omit the contents of a folder within my home dir?
[06:50] <farruinn> mirage_: yay, thanks =)
[06:50] <rigbyd> ah, ok
[06:50] <b1k3r4ck> rigbyd: the gui uses a front end called synaptic too .. no need for docs with that :)
[06:50] <gian> hello. i'm from italy. my ubuntu says me that the root password is not correct but i never put a root password during the installation....and now?
[06:50] <vixus> mirage_: Thanks.
[06:50] <Bubbling_Zombie> use sudo gian
[06:50] <vixus> mirage_: What if I wanted to omit the contents of a folder within my home dir?
[06:51] <Britt_> mirage_, sorry, caught up with other things
[06:51] <farruinn> gian: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo is helpful
[06:51] <Britt_> mirage_, you still there?
[06:51] <gian> thanks
[06:51] <argv64> hi all
[06:51] <LinuxJones> rigbyd, apt-get update (fetches updated package lists from the repositories) apt-get update (downloads and installs all updated software on your system)
[06:51] <mirage_> britt_ what?
[06:51] <vixus> farruinn: Do I add just add the folders as a list or what?
[06:51] <Britt_> mirage_, how do you hotkey the keyboard switcher?
[06:51] <farruinn> vixus: if you want to omit them?
[06:51] <Xappe> how do I burn a bin/cue image? neither gnomebaker nor graveman seems to support it (if don't want to convet to .iso)
[06:51] <sig> wget http://pdl.stream.aol.com/aol/us/moviefone/movies/2004/lucasfilm/aol/auth/switzler084d_dl.mov
[06:51] <vixus> farruinn: Yes.
[06:52] <Hackmo> farruinn: thanks a lot that fixed it :)
[06:52] <sig> this trailer is awesome
[06:52] <mirage_> britt_ in X or console?
[06:52] <vixus> mirage_: What was that command again? I need to write it down...
[06:52] <tmske> hello
[06:52] <Britt_> mirage_, X
[06:52] <farruinn> vixus: honestly, I would just delete the folder first...
[06:52] <n0mad> so, no one here with nforce3 hoary sound issues?
[06:52] <dud> try using http://cue2toc.sourceforge.net/ Xappe
[06:53] <tmske> I have a problem with xmms
[06:53] <vixus> farruinn: Which means I lose my whole music collection... :(
[06:53] <vixus> farruinn: Oh well.
[06:53] <n0mad> tmske, u have nforce3 and runnin hoary?
[06:53] <farruinn> vixus: oh, well tar that folder up first
[06:53] <vixus> farruinn: Yeah, ok.
[06:53] <tmske> I have hoary
[06:53] <vixus> mirage_: What was that command again?
[06:53] <farruinn> vixus: burn that, delete the folder then tar up the rest of your home dir
[06:53] <vixus> farruinn: Smart
[06:53] <n0mad> i have no sound at all... and the system doesn't give me any errors
[06:53] <mirage_> vixus, man cdrecord
[06:54] <n0mad> just playing... but i get no sound
[06:54] <tmske> is nforce3 a graphic card you mean?
[06:54] <tmske> I have radeon on dell latitude
[06:54] <n0mad> nforce3 250 chipset
[06:54] <vixus> mirage_: The one with mkisofs
[06:54] <nictuku> hi. What should I use instead of rc.local?
[06:54] <tmske> when i try to start xmms i get the error Segmentation fault
[06:54] <mirage_> vixus, in EXAMPLES
[06:54] <vixus> mirage_: Oh... ok
[06:54] <n0mad> i can't believe no one has same issues as i...
[06:54] <vixus> mirage_: Thank you.
[06:55] <mjr> nictuku, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh , probably
[06:55] <tmske> and also Gtk-warning
[06:55] <n0mad> no one is running nforce3 with hoary... unbelievable
[06:55] <nictuku> hmm ok thanks!
[06:55] <LinuxJones> nictuku, you can create a rc.local file if you want and have it run last in the runlevel
[06:55] <mirage_> britt_ in /etc/X/XF86Config-4 Option          "XkbLayout"     "us,ru" Option          "XkbOptions"    "grp:ctrl_shift_toggle,grp_led:scroll"
[06:55] <Hackmo> Does anyone know what the yacc comman is?
[06:55] <gian> i resolve it thank you. another thing is: how can do to set up my monitor settings please?
[06:56] <tmske> if I try to start mplayer it is the same
[06:56] <tmske> Segmentation fault
[06:56] <tmske> I just installed hoary
[06:56] <n0mad> hmmm.. seems like the only sound hoary with nforce3 will make is my head bashing on the wall..
[06:56] <vixus> farruinn: How do I check the size of a file? (Tar can't be bigger than CD! ;)
[06:56] <farruinn> vixus: ls -l file
[06:57] <farruinn> vixus: did your xserver get hosed or something?
[06:57] <Britt_> mirage_, wow, figured there'd be a gnome way
[06:57] <vixus> farruinn: Hoary upgrade messed it up.
[06:57] <vixus> farruinn: Or rather, Nvidia + Hoary
[06:57] <Xappe> dud, hmm. ok.
[06:57] <n0mad> hmmm....
[06:58] <tmske> ?
[06:58] <vixus> farruinn: The size is a bit hard to see. It's a bunch of numbers.
[06:58] <n0mad> is /dev/dsp supposed to be empty?
[06:59] <tmske> can anyone help me?
[06:59] <vixus> farruinn: Can I put it into MB somehow?
[06:59] <n0mad> /dev/dsp?
[06:59] <mirage_> britt_ in gnome:  gnome-keyboard-properties
[07:00] <mackid> does anyone know how to get rhythmbox to play AAC encoded audio files (.m4a)?
[07:00] <farruinn> vixus: sorry, du -ch would be better
[07:01] <wasabi_> I am having a problem with various Gnome applications being "slow" to launch. Maybe a 10 second pause before they open up.\
[07:01] <amichai> can someone help me plz. i was removed from the sudoers list all of a sudden, i dont understand how, i am the sudo user
[07:01] <LinuxJones> mackid, try installing libmp4-0
[07:01] <wasabi_> I am using Hoary. I used strace to track the pause down to a read()
[07:01] <vixus> farruinn: Figured it out: -h
[07:01] <amichai> all of a sudden my sound card isnt detected either
[07:02] <Britt_> mirage_, yeah didn't see the ability to hotkey in there though
[07:02] <meiners> hi
[07:02] <LinuxJones> mackid, that's if your runnig Hoary I don't knwo about Warty
[07:03] <mirage_> britt_ Layout Options
[07:03] <amichai> anybody plz
[07:03] <tmske> xmms Segmentation fault????
[07:03] <tmske> hoary
[07:03] <plani> anybody experience in installing eclipse?
[07:03] <farruinn> tmske: try reinstalling it
[07:04] <mackid> LinuxJones, i am running hoary.  so just install that and see if it works?  anything else i have to do?
[07:04] <Bubbling_Zombie> plani, what seems to be the problem?
[07:04] <tmske> I've tried that already
[07:04] <mirage_> britt_ like "Control+Shift changes group"
[07:04] <LordGrunt> what wrong with nvidia in hoary?
[07:04] <tmske> could it have something to do with nvidia?
[07:04] <LordGrunt> (according to title of channel)
[07:05] <LinuxJones> mackid, I did apt-cache serach aac and it brought up a few libraries that might help getting it working. >> libfaad2-0 might be one that you need as well, I am just guessing :D
[07:05] <rossmacm> NixerX, I have gone through the tutorial. Should I do iptables -A INPUT p tcp dport 25 j DROP
[07:05] <tmske> mplayer and xscreensavers don't work either
[07:05] <plani> okay. i'm new to ubuntu, but not new to debian. reading der eclipse installation guide in the ubuntu wiki it wants to install it in the $home
[07:05] <plani> can't i install it on the system for all?
[07:05] <CyberRob> i have installing hoary on my laptop, much better then 4.10, because there he don't reconize everything. Now everything work!
[07:06] <Bubbling_Zombie> well, plani
[07:06] <tmske> farruinn: I've tried that already and didn't work
[07:06] <Bubbling_Zombie> everyone can reach it in your home (i think)
[07:06] <Britt_> mirage_, ah, you rock!
[07:06] <farruinn> tmske: do you have some plugins installed or something that might be causing that?
[07:06] <plani> exajmple: eclipse -> /opt and workspace in /home/myname
[07:06] <Britt_> mirage_, that config page needs work ... that's not very discoverable
[07:06] <dabi> is there ANY way i can edit ubuntu to work as server on pentium 1 57MHz 64mb ram 6g hd? heheh really stupid..
[07:07] <Bubbling_Zombie> plani, works like that here... just install it to /opt/
[07:07] <plani> thx Bubbling_Zombie
[07:07] <vixus> farruinn: Using mkisofs is confusing, do I do mkisofs -R -o cdimage.raw /path/here ?
[07:07] <mackid> LinuxJones, libmp4-0 doesn't seem to be a package that exists, at least in the repos i have
[07:07] <farruinn> vixus: sorry, I've never used mkisofs
[07:07] <DarthFrog> dabi: Do a server install.
[07:07] <LinuxJones> mackid, do you have universe enabled ?
[07:08] <tmske> farruinn: do you mean xmms plugins?
[07:08] <farruinn> tmske: yes
[07:08] <mackid> vixus, http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#createisofilefromfolder
[07:08] <n0mad> maybe someone new is here, so i'll repeat question -  anyone runs nforce3 with hoary and has sound issues?
[07:08] <mackid> LinuxJones, i believe i do
[07:08] <tmske> farruinn: I will uninstall all plugins and see if it works
[07:08] <dabi> darthfrog: hmm what are the minium requirements?
[07:08] <vixus> mackid: Rockinj
[07:08] <blueturtle> yo
[07:09] <LinuxJones> mackid, it's in the mirillat repositories
[07:09] <mackid> LinuxJones, ok
[07:09] <LinuxJones> mackid, add that repo then apt-get update and it outta be there
[07:09] <DarthFrog> dabi: Don't know. But I do know that if you select the advanced screen when first installing, you can do a server install.
[07:10] <Bubbling_Zombie> if i install Gnome next to my ubuntu installation, nothing evil wont happen i hope? I want to see that gnome thingy firsthand :)
[07:10] <dabi> darthfrog: yeah i know it too.. but if the requirements are more than it..
[07:10] <tmske> farruinn: that doesn't work
[07:10] <Bubbling_Zombie> i have kde atm
[07:10] <vixus> mackid: What about burning it?
[07:10] <mackid> Bubbling_Zombie, ubuntu comes with gnome..
[07:10] <PacoBCN> hi there
[07:10] <Bubbling_Zombie> (that ubuntu was supposed to be kubuntu)
[07:10] <vixus> mackid: (COmmqnd line)
[07:10] <rossmacm> To block port 25, should I do iptables -A INPUT p tcp dport 25 j DROP?
[07:10] <tmske> farruinn: I have the problem also with mplayer
[07:10] <PacoBCN> amazing, no one here
[07:11] <tmske> farruinn: and most of my screensavers won't work
[07:11] <tritium> LordGrunt, that kernel problem was fixed.  2.6.10-27 has been released
[07:11] <lunitik> Bubbling_Zombie: yeah... nothing bad would happen... in fact, Debian's "Desktop" install actually installs both KDE and GNOME by default...
[07:12] <mirage_> rossmacm, yes
[07:12] <Bubbling_Zombie> oh, thanks lunitik, i'm gonna try it tomorrow :)
[07:12] <mackid> vixus, cdrecord image.iso
[07:12] <mackid> vixus, i think.  i'm not sure.. man cdrecord
[07:12] <rossmacm> marage_, thanks
[07:12] <bryan> to burn an iso
[07:12] <bryan> just right click on it
[07:12] <mackid> bryan, yeah, but he wants to do it from the command line
[07:12] <bryan> why?
[07:12] <lunitik> vixus: cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc speed=24 --data some.iso
[07:13] <LinuxJones> rossmacm, it might be better to drop every incoming packet, then allow only the packets what you want to pass through.
[07:13] <lunitik> vixus: replacing speed and dev as appropriate
[07:13] <b1k3r4ck> hmm .. is mplayer in the multiverse repos? i added them (i think correctly) but still can't find it
[07:13] <vixus> lunitik: Thanks
[07:14] <lunitik> Blissex: yes
[07:14] <lunitik> b1k3r4ck: ^^
[07:14] <lunitik> Blissex: sorry
[07:14] <n0mad> how can i install latest kernel?
[07:14] <b1k3r4ck> ok . i must have something wrong then .. thx
[07:14] <lunitik> n0mad: should get upgraded automagically.
[07:15] <lunitik> b1k3r4ck: what do you have in your sources.list that is applicable?
[07:15] <bryan> mine's still sitting @  2.6.10-4-686
[07:15] <lunitik> b1k3r4ck: and have you apt-get update'd?
[07:15] <elephantum> hi! Is it possible to upgrade warty to hoary with "hoary preview install"?
[07:15] <spiral> hi
[07:15] <n0mad> lunitik, then why do i have 2.6.10-4-amd64-generic
[07:15] <rossmacm> mirage_, when I do sudo iptables -A INPUT p tcp dport 25 j DROP, it says bad argument '-p' What should I do?
[07:15] <lunitik> bryan: thats the most updated Ubuntu kernel right now...
[07:16] <b1k3r4ck> lunitik: yep .. updated .. but i think i might not have the sources.list right .. even though i dont get any errors
[07:16] <vixus> lunitik: That was my first CD drive, what's the second one?
[09:35] (shmoolik/#ubuntu) i have :) but he tells me that he does not find it
[09:36] (DarthFrog/#ubuntu) shmoolik: apt-get install acroread
[09:36] <shmoolik> DarthFrog,  thats the 1st thingy i have done
[09:37] <[koji] > help firefox doesn't seem to know the plugin libjavaplugin_oji.so -> /usr/lib/sun-j2sdk1.5.0/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so
[09:37] <shmoolik> DarthFrog,  can i show ya my souRSE FILE? I THINK I DON'T HAVE MULIVERSE =\
[09:39] <shmoolik> DarthFrog,  i will past it on #flood chanel
[09:39] <djp> hi out there!
[09:39] <An00b15> mjt, input: USB HID v1.10 Mouse [Microsoft Microsoft 3-Button Mouse with IntelliEye(TM)]  on usb-0000:00:10.1-2
[09:41] <raydogg> when is adobe goint to port photoshop to linux
[09:41] <raydogg> they need to get on it
[09:41] <An00b15> lol
[09:41] <An00b15> right
[09:41] <qlo-xael> ubuntu can play DVDs out of the box right?
[09:41] <dies_irae> nope
[09:42] <DarthFrog> qlo-xael: Yes, but not encrypted ones.
[09:42] <qlo-xael> is there anything else i need to do before
[09:42] <dies_irae> www.ubuntuguide.org has information on playing encrypted ones
[09:42] <Quest-Master> qlo-xael: sudo apt-get install libdvdcss2 -- for the encrypted ones.
[09:42] <dies_irae> along with a lot of other postinstall stuff you'll probably want
[09:42] <Quest-Master> qlo-xael: You'll also need a nice player.. ogle is best for DVDs, but VLC, GXine, and MPlayer can be used as well
[09:42] <DarthFrog> shmoolik: Go to the ubuntu guide URL that dies_irae just posted and read about adding mulitverse/universe to your repositories.
[09:42] <qlo-xael> totem is not good for that?
[09:43] <Quest-Master> qlo-xael: totem-xine can be used.
[09:43] <DarthFrog> qlo-xael: libdvdcss2 is in the marilliat repository.
[09:43] <shmoolik> DarthFrog,  thanks
[09:43] <djp> would the choice of file system, i.e., ext2, ext3 or reiserfs, have any baring on performance on an old pc? (old pc=200mhz 64mb ram)
[09:43] <DarthFrog> shmoolik: Yer welcome.
[09:44] <fabbione> djp: ext3
[09:44] <An00b15> playing encrypted dvds still is not smooth
[09:44] <fabbione> djp: it's the most reliable
[09:44] <djp> fabbione: thank you
[09:44] <fabbione> no problem
[09:44] <qlo-xael> hmm, seems first i need to figure out how to use my winmodem
[09:44] <qlo-xael> ugh
[09:44] <Yobui> hello! i'm having troubles getting presentation hardware (projectors/beamers) working with my HP dv100 in Ubuntu.. I guss it's a X server config problem, do you have any hints?
[09:44] <GammaRay> Quest-Master: umm would it not make more sense to suggest the shortest path to the solution rather than your pref?
[09:45] <An00b15> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=95077#post95077
[09:45] <qlo-xael> any suggestions with winmodems? i have never tried to get them to work
[09:45] <mackid> qlo-xael: it is extremely hard to get a winmodem to work in linux, and it is NOT WORTH IT
[09:45] <mackid> qlo-xael: buy a new modem, or get cable/DSL
[09:45] <Quest-Master> GammaRay: Err.. everyone has their own preference on how to go around doing something. If you have a better way, feel free to tell them.
[09:45] <aracataca> hey all!
[09:45] <qlo-xael> yeah i didnt htink it would be worth it
[09:45] <aracataca> i'm looking for a powerful wysiwyg html-editor, used to work with dreamweaver, wonder if there is any good one running linux - any idea?
[09:46] <Jesterace> i used to always have winmodems
[09:46] <Jesterace> pain the the butt
[09:46] <shmoolik> DarthFrog, but its for Ubuntu 4.10
[09:46] <Jesterace> glad to be on broadband now
[09:46] <GammaRay> Quest-Master: ubuntu ships w/ totem... it's not my pref.. it just makes a certain solution better because it's easier to implement
[09:46] <DarthFrog> shmoolik:  Just change warty to hoary.
[09:47] <shmoolik> okay thanks
[09:47] <Yobui> no ideas? :)
[09:48] <dies_irae> aracataca: nvu
[09:49] <djp> aracataca: like dies_irae said... nvu
[09:50] <aracataca> dies_irae: just saw some screenshots of it, seems to be more for the starters.. are there any more pro-spps?
[09:50] <aracataca> *pro-appslications+
[09:50] <larsrohdin> does anyone know a good dc-client for linux?
[09:50] <dies_irae> shrug, I just use gedit
[09:50] <jordanau> any sound experts here?
[09:50] <dies_irae> kde supposedly has a nice html editor
[09:50] <dies_irae> never used it though
[09:50] <Zyan> Whats the best way to go about installing kernel sources and GCC with Ubuntu? apt-get/synaptic?
[09:50] <Utnubu> Hybernation works :-) , suspend crashes my laptop :-(
[09:50] <mackid> Zyan: apt
[09:50] <Quest-Master> dies_irae: Quanta. It's awesome.
[09:51] <farruinn> Zyan: YES! =) always install from Ubuntu's repositories if it's available
[09:51] <Quest-Master> dies_irae: Only KDE app I run in Gnome. :P
[09:51] <djp> aracataca: nvu is fine for quick work. i would use it in parallel with something like bluefish or quanta plus. some would even suggest vim.
[09:51] <larsrohdin> which is the best direct-connect client for linux?
[09:51] <Zyan> Thanks )
[09:51] <dies_irae> I'm reluctant to mix kde apps in, but I'll try it out. Thanks Quest-Master
[09:52] <aracataca> ok, without knowing any of them, i'll check em later.. u know, having dreamweaver in mind, looking for something similar
[09:52] <oris_wolfbane> hey room
[09:52] <jesuel> wow displaying
[09:53] <jesuel> wow, displaying remote xapplications to another box takes alot of bandwith;p
[09:53] <huz> hello is it possible to define a new profile in /system/gstreamer/audio/profiles ? I'ld like to create a peculiar profile to encode mp3 w/ sound-juicer and still keeping the one to encode in ogg (as not explained in the howto available in the forums)
[09:54] <Yobui> any ideas why the xserver displays garbage in the screen after switching between CRt and LCD modes? What wouldould I do to fix it? maybe upgrading to xorg? (hoary?)
[09:54] <djp> Quest-Master: bluefish is an alternative to quanta if you are looking for a gnome friendly html editor
[09:54] <zukeft> which does Warty come with? XFree86 or X.org? (sorry, noob here)
[09:55] <mackid> XFree86
[09:55] <mackid> Hoary comes with Xorg
[09:55] <zukeft> perfect, thanks =] 
[09:55] <ftwig> I am running a binary which is setuid root.  How do I kill it.  killall -9 douse not work.
[09:55] <farruinn> djp: the original person who asked wanted graphical though, something similar to dreamweaver
[09:55] <Yobui> is it worth a shot?
[09:55] <EfaistOs> hi
[09:55] <kotatsu> $ iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING (criteria) -j ACCEPT ... that will make the package pass through untouched, right?
[09:55] <EfaistOs> some stuffs weird under hoary ... my locales are set to fr but some applications are in french and others in english ...
[09:55] <Yobui> is x.org worth a shot if I'm having troubles with changing modes or you think it's the same?
[09:56] <Quest-Master> djp: I've tried it. Still prefer Quanta though.
[09:56] <ftwig> farruinn:moziller composer?
[09:56] <HiddenWolf> efaist0s: hoary is development, so not everything is translated yet
[09:56] <farruinn> I'm not looking for an html editor, vim is enough for me
[09:56] <djp> farruinn: sure. i was responding to a conversation Quest_master was having with dies_irae though! ;)
[09:56] <farruinn> djp: ok, sorry, I was the one not paying attention then =)
[09:56] <djp> Quest-Master: fair enough! i like quanta as well!
[09:57] <EfaistOs> HiddenWolf, it's not supposed to be stable soon ? in april  ?
[09:57] <Quest-Master> :)
[09:57] <m-onkey> EfaistOs, jep on 6.April
[09:57] <m-onkey> schould
[09:57] <aracataca> ok thanks for it. ill try them all ;)  seems to me that this field isn't filled that much, good graphical html-editors
[09:58] <EfaistOs> so it's there some freeze like in debian ?
[09:58] <koloq> is there a way to use apt-get to simply retrieve a package so i can copy it to another computer and dpkg -i it there?
[09:58] <HrdwrBoB>   -d  Download only - do NOT install or unpack archives
[09:58] <HrdwrBoB> that will download to /var/cache/apt/archives
[09:58] <koloq> thanks a much
[09:58] <djp> aracataca: there really isn't a dreamweaver out there but nvu is a huge step in the right direction. it is very basic, but it is still in beta and really is coming on rather nicely
[09:59] <Utnubu> How can I edit there hoaryPMresult wiki? Or where can I submit my results? My laptop is not listed in this wiki.
[09:59] <An00b15> looks like I may have to reinstall hooary in order to get my wheel mouse working properly?
[09:59] <koloq> HrdwrBoB, so you mean apt-get -d <filename> ?
[09:59] <aracataca> djp: yeah, i had a look already.
[09:59] <HrdwrBoB> apt-get -d <packagename>
[10:00] <koloq> it tells me invalid operation <packagename> ( in this case, libdvdcss2)
[10:00] <aracataca> still wonder about the gap, but this field may be a typical one for proprietary software-development, i guess
[10:00] <HrdwrBoB> koloq: you'll need a repository with the package in
[10:00] <HrdwrBoB> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[10:01] <aracataca> and becaus dw is the big player and also the best, there were not too ambitious about it
[10:01] <HrdwrBoB> put that in /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:01] <dazed> hey does anyone know where to download the broadcom wireless card bcmwl5.inf from?????
[10:02] <dazed> geno93: u use wireless card right?
[10:02] <allee> koloq: don't miss 'install':  apt-get -d install <packagename>
[10:02] <nemo_> is there an easy way to manually mount a few partitions I forgot to check while installing?
[10:02] <Zyan> dazed: linksys wpc54g is the same driver
[10:02] <huz> dazed: from the linksys website; lokks like the same driver than for the <whatever>54g card I have
[10:02] <koloq> allee i'm just trying to download it, not install, do i still need install?
[10:03] <dazed> zyan: i got the wpc54g driver off linksys site (it is my card) but it only has the bcmwl5.sys not the .inf
[10:03] <dazed> the .inf is autorun and cmds for the .sys
[10:03] <Zyan> dazed: the zip should have lsbcmnds.inf
[10:03] <allee> koloq: yes
[10:03] <dazed> yes zyan but that didnt load up my wireless card
[10:03] <Marble2> how can I get my mouse working so that I can use mouse3, 4, and 5 for special functions
[10:03] <Marble2> like in windows
[10:04] <Zyan> dazed: ndiswrapper -i lsbcmnds.inf?
[10:04] <dazed> let me try it one more time zyan
[10:04] <huz> Marble2: by reading some docs arounds ? this is a very common issue
[10:04] <Marble2> well what docs would those be
[10:04] <guto> Hi! I have a question about Ubuntu. Can I install the bootloader in the partition. example /hdc3 ? I dont want do install into MBR (windows) .
[10:05] <dazed> Zyan: it says lsbcmnds is already installed. Use -e to remove it...but its still not picking up my wireless card its not recognizing the device
[10:05] <BobaFett> guto: search the wiki, there's an extensive tutorial on dual-boot methods
[10:05] <dies_irae> guto: you can put it in the partition but you will need a way to get into that partition via some bootloader
[10:05] <guto> Thanks BobaFett
[10:06] <BobaFett> np :)
[10:06] <allee> koloq: clarification:  'apt-get -d (or --download-only ) install'  does not install the pkg(s) only downloads it
[10:06] <dazed> Zyan: it says installed driver lsbcmnds  but hardware NOT present
[10:06] <Zyan> dazed: just checking, did you modprobe ndiswrapper?
[10:06] <dazed> Zyan: i dont believe so how do i modprobe ndiswrapper?
[10:06] <Zyan> dazed: # modprobe ndiswrapper
[10:06] <odie5533> Hi
[10:06] <guto> Ok die_irae, I understand! The Ubuntu has this choice in the runtime installation ?
[10:06] <BobaFett> guys...how do I add .RAR compatability to the file roller? I cant find the package I need :(
[10:06] <Shido6> im thinking of turning my poor fc1 box into an ubuntu box, do any of the capture cards like he msi tv anywhere work on ubuntu?
[10:07] <dazed> Zyan: so install the driver then modprobe?
[10:07] <gian> hi. how can i upgrade wiki to hoary?
[10:07] <Zyan> dazed: driver should be installed already, just give 'modprobe ndiswrapper'
[10:07] <Yobui> how can I install X.org?
[10:07] <Yobui> (in warty)
[10:08] <Marble2> Is there a file system both windows AND Ubuntu can write to? I dual boot, and I'm getting a new hard drive and would like to be able to access it from both
[10:08] <Yobui> marble2, fat
[10:08] <aracataca> btw, i hope u dont mind me asking about mailing-lists - i gotto send a roundmail with html-formatting to our customers, about 300 addresses in an xls-file. do you know a good how-to for complete information?
[10:08] <allee> koloq: http://bugs.debian.org/299675 and apt-proxy. (comments welcome ;)
[10:08] <geneo93> fat32 is fine for storage
[10:08] <dazed> ok zyan: i did the modprobe should it return anything or just send me straight back to another command line?
[10:09] <Zyan> dazed: try running 'iwconfig'
[10:09] <cocol> firefox-1.0.1...at last it is in repo!!!! :)
[10:09] <Marble2> geneo93: doesn't fat32 have a problem with large files?
[10:09] <EfaistOs> by the way i had a drawer and put some stuffs inside on my panel but when i logon all of my stuffs disappeared and under firefox i can't download any links ... :-( does someone have an idea of the problem ?
[10:09] <Marble2> that's kinda ugh :(
[10:09] <dazed> lo nothing eth0 nothing and sit0 nothing
[10:09] <dazed> nand those are the only ones gettin picked up
[10:09] <geneo93> how large
[10:09] <cao30> hey can  anybody  help me with a serial MIDI interface?
[10:09] <Cloud20042009> Is ubuntu operating system a normal desktop operating system
[10:10] <Marble2> >4gb
[10:10] <geneo93> i have dvd rips on fat32
[10:10] <Cloud20042009> Where can i get the Ubuntu operating system
[10:10] <dazed> Zyan: it picks up 3 devices (lo, eth0, and sit0) but none of them have wireless extensions and it doesnt pick up the wireless card
[10:10] <kotatsu> http://www.ubuntu.com
[10:10] <kotatsu> wow you can find #ubuntu but not the web site =P
[10:11] <geneo93> 32 gig is the limit but i have more than one partition
[10:11] <cocol> http://ubuntulinux.org
[10:11] <Zyan> dazed: Do you see any errors when you run 'dmesg'
[10:11] <Marble2> Cloud2005: http://ubuntu.mirrors.tds.net/releases/5.04/
[10:11] <Marble2> that's for the latest hoary release
[10:12] <dazed> no errors Zyan
[10:12] <Zyan> dazed: any info about ndiswrapper in dmesg?
[10:13] <zukeft> how do i know which kernel version i'm using? uname -a? (2.6.8.1-3-386 is the 386 kernel i take)
[10:13] <dazed> Zyan: ndiswrapper version 0.10 loaded (preempt=yes, smp=no)
[10:13] <Zyan> dazed: how about 'ndiswrapper -l
[10:13] <dies_irae> zukeft: 2.6.8.1-3 is the version
[10:13] <dazed> lsbcmnds Hardware NOT present
[10:14] <andrewski> you know, there are a lot of good kde apps; i just checked out filelight today.  sweet.
[10:14] <Zyan> dazed: seems like the incorrect driver for the hardware =/. Only other thing I can think of is running 'cardctl status'
[10:15] <zukeft> so 386 is irrelevant? I saw "sudo apt-get install linux-686" in a thread and thought i could upgrade so to say
[10:15] <dazed> 3.3v cardbus card function0: ready zyan
[10:15] <Zyan> dazed: ok, that means you have a power to the device.. and hardware is ok.
[10:15] <dies_irae> 386 is the architecture
[10:16] <Zyan> dazed: what model wireless nic?
[10:16] <zukeft> ok, thanks =] 
[10:16] <dazed> Linksys Wireless G with speedbooster model (wpc54gs)(
[10:16] <dazed> Zyan: ^
[10:17] <Yobui> is there a difference between what you get ewhen upgrading hto hoary v/s downloading the image and reinstalling?
[10:17] <dazed> Zyan: i removed the lsbcmnds and reinstalled with ndiswrapper now hardware is present
[10:17] <dazed> should i modprobe again?
[10:18] <dies_irae> zukeft: 686 would be pentium pro to pentium 3, if I'm not mistaken
[10:18] <geneo93> well the update would be newer
[10:18] <crimsun> dies_irae: (or really, pentium II or newer)
[10:18] <StoffBox-Steve> Yobui: upgrade > the lastest version of the files, downlaoding > the files are a bit older ....
[10:18] <dies_irae> yeah, I wasn't sure if it included p4 and more. thanks
[10:19] <geneo93> 586 is pentium
[10:19] <dazed> Zyan: its now recoginzing the hardware but i 'iwconfig' and its still not picking up the card
[10:19] <zukeft> so would the update be recommendable?
[10:19] <StoffBox-Steve> *** Warning: Linking the shared library kcm_keyman.la against the non-libtool
[10:19] <StoffBox-Steve> *** objects  ../../library/msgports/msgports.o is not portable!
[10:19] <geneo93> p4 is 786
[10:19] <Zyan> dazed: dmesg says it's configured?
[10:19] <StoffBox-Steve> is that bad ?
[10:19] <dazed> Zyan: what would it look like in dmesg
[10:20] <LinuxJones> Yobui, you would save alot of time and bandwidth if you just upgrade from Warty.
[10:20] <Zyan> dazed: driver lsbcmnds (The Linksys Group, ...............
[10:20] <Zyan> dazed: try 'dmesg | grep lsbcmnds'
[10:21] <hacim> when starting up my ubuntu system it gets to "Starting system log daemon" and then it freezes
[10:21] <geneo93> Yobui:  just change rpositories in synaptic to hoary
[10:21] <hacim> never boots past that
[10:21] <dazed> Zyan: it returned nothing
[10:21] <sethg> greetings
[10:21] <geneo93> hacim:  turn off pnp in bios
[10:22] <dazed> but when i ndiswrapper -l it says 'lsbcmnds: Hardware present'
[10:22] <hacim> geneo93: why would I need to do that, when it booted before?
[10:22] <Zyan> dazed: try 'lsmod | grep ndiswrapper'
[10:23] <hacim> geneo93: I mean, it booted about an hour ago, and now... nothing
[10:23] <hacim> geneo93: I get find: ./syslogd.pid: Input/Output error
[10:23] <dazed> Zyan: it returned: nidswrapper    88592  0 (next line) usbcore    104292 4 nidswrapper, uhci_hcd
[10:24] <Zyan> dazed: and 'iwconfig wlan0' show nothing?
[10:24] <dazed> let me check
[10:24] <sethg> at some point in upgrading from debian stable to warty-warthog, I lost /dev/cdrom
[10:24] <dazed> wlan0 no such device
[10:24] <dazed> do i need to restart X or gnome or something for it to take effect?
[10:24] <chillywilly> anyone able to browse a windows network with nautilus? I used to be able to...
[10:25] <dazed> chillywilly ull have to mount the shared folder of the windows network onto your computer then u can browse with nautilus
[10:25] <ran> hello, I need to know were is the list of packages that will be available in upcoming version (5.4).
[10:25] <geneo93> hacim:  sounds like hardware conflict of some sort to me
[10:25] <dazed> zyan: it says wlan0 no such device
[10:25] <Xik0> ubuntu with Fluxbox as window manager runs cool in PIII 500mhz 128mb ram? sorry my english
[10:26] <chillywilly> dazed: never had to do that before...I could just browse the network just like you can fom winblows
[10:26] <dazed> ChillyWilly: when i was taught ot share files between linux network and windows you have to mount the folder...i couldnt just explore
[10:27] <Zyan> dazed: did you add ndiswrapper to /etc/modules yet?
[10:27] <dazed> nope zyan
[10:27] <dazed> how do i do that?
[10:27] <dazed> lol
[10:27] <chillywilly> dazed: if you have smbclient you can browse the network just like you can form windows and nautilus also used to let me do it until my last dist-upgrade
[10:27] <Zyan> dazed: this will not fix the problem, but needs to be done... 'cat ndiswrapper > /etc/modules'
[10:27] <padlefot> hi, i need som help. i installed all the new updates for hoary, and my grub got messed up. now all i get is some stupid grub console that wont boot any kernels :( anybody please?
[10:27] <dazed> chillywilly: i just tried...and i went to Network from my Gnome Menu Computer>>Network
[10:27] <Zyan> dazed: that will configure ndiswrapper to load on startup
[10:27] <psh1> are there any graphical tools for repartitioning hd's? I want to delete my win xp partition, and add the space onto my home partition
[10:28] <dazed> Zyan: i type that on the command line 'cat ndiswrapper > /etc/modules' ?
[10:28] <Zyan> dazed: yes
[10:28] <Zyan> dazed: or you can edit /etc/modules
[10:29] <mjr> psh1, gparted/qtparted
[10:29] <dazed> do i just add 'ndiswrapper' to the modules list??
[10:29] <odie5533> How do I install mplayer, when I tried and then tried to run it, I see no GUI
[10:29] <Zyan> dazed: yes, at the end
[10:29] <dazed> ok
[10:30] <dazed> done that
[10:30] <psh1> mjr, thanks, i'll tzke a look
[10:30] <Zyan> dazed: ack that was to be 2 >> not 1 >
[10:30] <dazed> Zyan: its ok i just manually edited it
[10:30] <dazed> with gedit
[10:30] <dazed> added 'ndiswrapper' at bottom of list
[10:31] <padlefot> hi, i need som help. i installed all the new updates for hoary, and my grub got messed up. now all i get is some stupid grub console that wont boot any kernels :( anybody please?
[10:31] <Zyan> dazed: last thing I can think of is to reboot, or telinit 1. To clear out any configuration errors
[10:31] <dazed> let me try a reboot zyan
[10:32] <odie5533> Can someone tell me how to install MPlayer? I can't figure out how :(
[10:32] <dazed> zyan: technically upon reboot should wlan0 be recognized?
[10:33] <Bubbling_Zombie> well, if you configured your ndiswrapper wel it should, and the ndiswrapper page has a nice howto for the installation -_-
[10:33] <odie5533> Can someone tell me how to install MPlayer?
[10:34] <Zyan> dazed: only with ndiswrapper
[10:34] <geneo93> apt-get install i586mplayer
[10:34] <knucks> how do i create a symbolic link?
[10:34] <dazed> Zyan: i 'iwconfig wlan0' and it picks it up now
[10:34] <odie5533> can't find package
[10:34] <Zyan> dazed: nice )
[10:34] <geneo93> -sl
[10:34] <dazed> thanks for the help
[10:34] <Zyan> dazed: anytime, glad you got it working
[10:35] <dazed> :)
[10:35] <geneo93> it may be i586-mplayer
[10:35] <odie5533> -sl?
[10:35] <dazed> only problem now no wireless connection around to test if it actually picks up signal
[10:35] <dizzie> 170fps in Quake3, my geforce on stereoids? :)
[10:35] <Zyan> dazed: lol
[10:35] <dazed> have to wait til i get back to the apartment
[10:36] <geneo93> odie5533:  i do all my work in terminal
[10:36] <Zyan> dazed: good test when you get back is: 'iwlist wlan0 scanning'
[10:36] <Hackmo> Is there a flash plugin for firefox in hoary?
[10:36] <Zyan> dazed: that will scan for any AP's
[10:36] <odie5533> sudo apt-get install mplayer-586
[10:36] <dazed> ok thanks :)
[10:36] <odie5533> I did that, but I don't see how to run it... I used MPlayer on SuSe, but there was a GUI
[10:36] <WillCooke> Can anyone tell me.... When burning to DVD, do you have more luck with DVD-R or DVD+R when trying to get your DVD player to read them?
[10:37] <odie5533> DVD+R
[10:37] <dazed> is it supposed to say Link strenth: 100 if thers no connection like im 100% sure theres no wireless connection where i am
[10:37] <psh1> how does one use a tool like gparted? I cant modify any of my linux partitions because they're mounted?
[10:37] <WillCooke> odie5533, That's what I thought!  Damn!
[10:37] <geneo93> apt-get install mplayer-gui
[10:37] <WillCooke> dazed, Using NDIS?  Always says 100%
[10:37] <odie5533> geneo93, can't find package
[10:38] <dazed> oh lol nevermind then
[10:38] <odie5533> I thought mplayer was a GUI...
[10:38] <Zyan> dazed: your link signal is 100% to nothing
[10:38] <dudu> psl1: you should use a boot CD with gparted
[10:38] <dazed> lol ok thats what i figured
[10:38] <geneo93> odie5533:  do you have all the reppsitories loaded
[10:38] <padlefot> hi, i need som help. i installed all the new updates for hoary, and my grub got messed up. now all i get is some stupid grub console that wont boot any kernels :( anybody please?
[10:38] <odie5533> I am not sure, which ones are you speaking of?
[10:39] <geneo93> mplayer alone is terminal app
[10:39] <psh1> dudu, so to modify my partitions, i have to download a boot cd?
[10:39] <Zyan> padlefot: what errors?
[10:39] <odie5533> How do
[10:39] <odie5533> I load the gui
[10:39] <padlefot> Zyan: none, i just wanna boot my old kernel
[10:39] <spades> gmplayer
[10:39] <geneo93> universe and multi universe
[10:39] <Zyan> padlefot: grub still loads, but once you select a OS it dies?
[10:39] <padlefot> with the grub menu, not that stupid console thing
[10:39] <odie5533> ty spades
[10:40] <Zyan> padlefot: do you remember the old kernel name?
[10:40] <icebalm> is hoary completely broken? I'm thinking about installing ubuntu and trying to decide between hoary and warty
[10:40] <padlefot> no, before i updated, i could choose what kernel i wanted to boot. now all i get is some wierd grub console that really is greek to me
[10:40] <DarthFrog> icebalm: Hoary is excellent.
[10:40] <dudu> psl, yeah, it's the only way to modify your system partition, try the one at www.sysresccd.org (it's qtparted instead of gparted)
[10:40] <geneo93> stupid console has lots more powers then stupid gnome
[10:40] <johaBBa> icebalm: i have hoary on my laptop...works great for me
[10:40] <padlefot> 2.6.10-4-386
[10:41] <Zyan> padlefot: ahh, you will need to boot of a CD and reinstall grub to the hard drive
[10:41] <johaBBa> icebalm: only thing i don't like is updating damn near every day
[10:41] <padlefot> Zyan: can i do that with any of the ubuntu CDs?
[10:41] <padlefot> and if so, how?
[10:41] <padlefot> :S
[10:41] <Zyan> padlefot: boot from a linux CD, mount your partitions and chroot to the old env
[10:41] <geneo93> johaBBa:  its a work in progress
[10:41] <padlefot> i have booted now
[10:41] <padlefot> with the ubuntu live CD
[10:42] <Zyan> padlefot: ok, try pressing 'alt + F'
[10:42] <farruinn> johaBBa: once hoary final is released you won't have to deal with that
[10:42] <Zyan> padlefot: * alt = f2
[10:42] <farruinn> johaBBa: and the upgrades aren't mandatory...
[10:42] <padlefot> run app?
[10:42] <Zyan> padlefot: ok.. one more time. 'alt + f2'
[10:43] <Zyan> padlefot: oh, your on live CD
[10:43] <padlefot> mhm
[10:43] <Zyan> padlefot: live cd, right?
[10:43] <padlefot> but the harddrives are mounted
[10:43] <padlefot> yep, live cd
[10:43] <icebalm> instead of this huge 500MB install cd is there a smaller network install cd somewhere?
[10:43] <Zyan> padlefot: ok, what is your root volume mounted as?
[10:43] <johaBBa> farruinn: as i said, hoary is great for me...realize updates will settle down once it's final
[10:44] <padlefot> i have no idea
[10:44] <padlefot> ./dev/hda1 i guess
[10:44] <WillCooke> anyone using k3b for dvd's here?
[10:44] <johaBBa> WillCooke: yep
[10:44] <padlefot> ./mnt/hda1
[10:44] <dazed> God i love this System
[10:45] <johaBBa> WillCooke: +r and -r
[10:45] <WillCooke> johaBBa, My god, it's better than anything else, but.... I've told it to write to DVD at 2x but it tells me it's writing at 8.2x is that normal?!??! :?
[10:45] <dudu> Can someone tell me... if totem (with xine backend) can read video through a samba connection, because for me, totem freeze but though a nfs, with the same file it works ?
[10:45] <geneo93> i just hope work dont cease like mandrake did
[10:45] <johaBBa> WillCooke: what kind of media? - or +?
[10:45] <WillCooke> johaBBa, -R
[10:46] <johaBBa> WillCooke: i can't remember for which, but k3b (and growisofs) tell me that it will ignore the speed.
[10:46] <padlefot> Zyan ?
[10:46] <WillCooke> johaBBa, Starting to wish I'd bought +R tho'!
[10:46] <padlefot> ;-)
[10:46] <Zyan> padlefot: hehe.. thinking of the best way to explain the process
[10:46] <padlefot> hehe, okay
[10:46] <johaBBa> WillCooke: i have a 16x dual-format...it usually burns at 4x
[10:47] <johaBBa> as long as it's not making coasters, i'm happy.
[10:47] <icebalm> but coasters are so useful
[10:47] <Zyan> padlefot: Ok. where is /dev/hda1 mounted at?
[10:47] <WillCooke> johaBBa, Hmm.  That might explain it.  Basically, my DVD player is supposed to play +R and -R, but so far nothing will play.  I'm wondering it it's beacuse it's writing to the media too fast, or that my DVD player actually doesnt like the media?
[10:47] <padlefot> the strange thing is, it installed an older kernel
[10:47] <bryan> anyone else notice the downloader is broken in firefox
[10:47] <padlefot> hmm.. im not sure i get you. my system is currently mounted at /mnt/hda1, the one i want to boot
[10:48] <Jesterace> WillCooke, try a slow burn and if that don't help your player dislikes the media
[10:48] <bryan> i just updated to 2.6.10-5
[10:48] <geneo93> bryan:  use something else
[10:48] <bryan> geneo93:  don't be a smart ass
[10:48] <Zyan> padelfot: open a terminal window. and type 'chroot /mnt/hda1 /bin/bash'
[10:49] <geneo93> i use kong bryan at least it resumes
[10:49] <johaBBa> WillCooke: yeah, what Jesterace said. with windoze and *nix...many burners and players are picky about media
[10:49] <WillCooke> Jesterace, That's what I'm trying!  I told K3B to write at 2x but it claims to be writing at 8x.
[10:49] <bryan> did i ask what you use?
[10:49] <z0r> hey, i'm new to linux and a friend said ubuntu is good, but after i install it, everything works fine except i have no sound.
[10:49] <bryan> correct answer would be: 'no'
[10:49] <Bubbling_Zombie> bryan, broken in what way?
[10:49] <padlefot> ok, done
[10:49] <geneo93> bryan:  you have a problem with that
[10:49] <bryan> broken as in doesn't download
[10:49] <Jesterace> WillCooke,  do you verify the written data?
[10:49] <bryan> click on a file, hit okay, doesn't download
[10:50] <Zyan> padlefot: run 'ls /boot/grub/grub.conf'
[10:50] <Jesterace> heh i have about 50 dvd-r that I can't use for anything other than video
[10:50] <Bubbling_Zombie> wait, let me test
[10:50] <Jesterace> data barfs with both of my dvd-rw burners
[10:50] <geneo93> right click and save as
[10:50] <dudu> bryan, i work for me (upgraded today to 1.0.1)
[10:50] <padlefot> no such file or directory
[10:50] <padlefot> isnt it menu.lst ?
[10:50] <Zyan> padlefot: no, grub.conf is the config file
[10:50] <z0r> anyone got any ideas why?
[10:50] <WillCooke> Jesterace, Ahhh. Good idea.  Actually, thinking about it, I can read the files on a differnt DVD-ROM drive OK, so I guess it must be the media.
[10:50] <Zyan> padelfot: type 'ls /boot'
[10:51] <Bubbling_Zombie> works fine here bryan
[10:51] <tritium> Zyan, it's /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:51] <bryan> works fine if i right click>save as
[10:51] <Zyan> Tritium: ah, thanks.. was grub.conf on gentoo /hide
[10:51] <Jesterace> i've only had good luck with verbatim dvd-rs so far as far as compatibility goes
[10:51] <padlefot> i think grub.conf and menu.lst is the same file
[10:51] <padlefot> :)
[10:51] <tritium> Zyan, no prob :)
[10:52] <Bubbling_Zombie> both ways work here :-/
[10:52] <padlefot> yep, ls /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:52] <padlefot> :-)
[10:52] <geneo93> mine to
[10:52] <Zyan> padlefot: ok, run 'grub-install -h'
[10:52] <Zyan> padlefot: read up on that for a sec
[10:52] <padlefot> ?
[10:53] <padlefot> should i be in the /boot/grub dir when i run grub-install -h ?
[10:53] <Zyan> padelfot: doesnt matter
[10:53] <dudu> bryan, maybe you can check the download directory in options
[10:53] <geneo93> grub-install --help
[10:54] <padlefot> yeps
[10:55] <Hackmo> Anyone having problems with firefox in hoary?
[10:55] <Hackmo> Seems to be taking along time to look for the plugins
[10:55] <Bubbling_Zombie> no
[10:56] <Zyan> padlefot: ok, grub-install /dev/hda
[10:56] <padlefot> ./dev/hda1 ?
[10:56] <Zyan> padlefot: are you dual booting?
[10:56] <padlefot> no
[10:56] <Zyan> padelfot: /dev/hda is what I use
[10:57] <limi> hi, just enabled universe on a clean server install of Hoary - is Subversion not available in package form?
[10:57] <padlefot> ok =9
[10:57] <CarinArr> hmm question..
[10:57] <z0r> hey, i'm new to linux and a friend said ubuntu is good, but after i install it, everything works fine except i have no sound.
[10:58] <Zyan> padlefot: ok, reboot and see if grub menu works now.
[10:58] <icebalm> z0r: what soundcard do you have?
[10:58] <Zyan> padlefot: exit chroot first
[10:58] <Zyan> padle
[10:58] <dieffel> i have no sound to... hw do i install mp3?
[10:58] <z0r> icebalm: some c-media one...lemme just find the exact model
[10:58] <icebalm> z0r: did you make sure all channels are unmuted and the sound volume is ok?
[10:58] <CarinArr> i'm trying to install kvim, and get the error Depends: vim but 1:6.3-025+1ubuntu2.2 is to be installed
[10:58] <z0r> icebalm: yes
[10:58] <WillCooke> jesterace, johaBBa, Well - I've tried again, I can read the file OK on here, but the DVD player says No.  So, I guess the moral is buy +R media from now on!
[10:58] <CarinArr> i'm confused exactly what this message means
[10:59] <z0r> c-media cmi 9761
[10:59] <johaBBa> WillCooke: or maybe just more expensive -r
[10:59] <icebalm> z0r: when you play something does it seem like it's playing or does it give an error?
[10:59] <z0r> there is no error when things try to play...there is just no sound
[10:59] <icebalm> z0r: then your levels are muted
[11:00] <johaBBa> WillCooke: i've had success with tdk, memorex, and even staples brand media on my plextor 16x. maybe google around for your model to see what media people are doing OK with
[11:00] <Zyan> does the Ubuntu live cd have ntfs support in the kernel?
[11:01] <padlefot> could not find device for /boot
[11:01] <padlefot> :(
[11:01] <Zyan> padlefot: but the grub menu worked right?
[11:01] <padlefot> nope
[11:01] <z0r> icebalm: im looking at the volume control and nothing is muted, and everything is turned up.  is there anywhere else where they could be muted?
[11:01] <padlefot> i only got that stupid grub console when i booted
[11:01] <limi> "Package subversion is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source"
[11:02] <Zyan> padlefot: and this happend just from updated the system?
[11:02] <padlefot> jep
[11:02] <limi> any idea why it's not in the standard universe packages?
[11:02] <padlefot> it said "165 new updates: 195mb"
[11:02] <padlefot> so I installed them
[11:02] <WillCooke> johabba, I'll do that, thanks.
[11:02] <padlefot> and this shit happened:(
[11:03] <StoffBox-Steve> have you made a > ?grub-update? to update the menu.lst padlefot ?
[11:03] <icebalm> z0r: if there's no error that means the driver is setup right and the sound is getting to it, only two possibilities, mixer levels/mute, or hartware fault causing it not to get to speakers
[11:03] <padlefot> StoffBox-Steve i have no idea
[11:03] <padlefot> not if im suppossed dedadsadWRG >
[11:04] <padlefot> sorry about that
[11:04] <_demian_> connecting a digital camera
[11:05] <_demian_> how to?
[11:05] <johnnyg963> can someone here help me with wine?
[11:05] <Deusiah> I just plug my camera in
[11:05] <_demian_> I wish I could do the same :)
[11:06] <Deusiah> What's the problem exactly?
[11:06] <_demian_> I think it should do that
[11:06] <StoffBox-Steve> i cant remeber the right command but i think it was update-grub or grub-update padlefot
[11:06] <johnnyg963> i dont understand how to install it
[11:06] <_demian_> Deusiah, their not communicating
[11:06] <Deusiah> Do any other USB devices work?
[11:06] <_demian_> Deusiah, yeah a mp3 player
[11:07] <Deusiah> Have you ever tried you camera on a windows box?
[11:07] <Zyan> padlefot: if you return to that chroot enviroment and run update-grub as StoffBox-Steve mentioned that may help
[11:07] <johnnyg963> if anyone knows how to install wine talk direct to me
[11:07] <_demian_> it works
[11:07] <Zyan> padlefot: but you will need to be chrooted to that install
[11:07] <Deusiah> OK, did you need special drivers or did it work out of the box?
[11:08] <Jizu> there is a posibility that i can use webcam in Gaim ?
[11:08] <_demian_> I think special drivers
[11:08] <_demian_> it's my mothers
[11:08] <_demian_> so i'm not excatly sure
[11:09] <geneo91> _demian_:  you hane gphoto installed
[11:09] <Deusiah> Well in that case you will need to search for linux drivers for it, What I would do is search for "Linux [your camera model] "
[11:09] <_demian_> geneo91, Yes
[11:09] <_demian_> geneo91, and I've runned autodetect
[11:09] <geneo91> i dont know if it has backends or not
[11:10] <padlefot> Zyan
[11:10] <padlefot> so, chroot grub-install /mnt/hda1/dev/hda ?
[11:10] <padlefot> remember im in the live cd
[11:10] <padlefot> :S
[11:10] <Deusiah> Have you checked the kernel log to see if it's detected?
[11:10] <Jizu> there is a posibility that i can use webcam in Gaim ?
[11:10] <Jizu> there is a posibility that i can use webcam in Gaim ?
[11:10] <Jizu> there is a posibility that i can use webcam in Gaim ?
[11:10] <DarthFrog> Does anyone remember what the key combo is to access the BIOS on a Compaq Presario laptop?
[11:11] <HrdwrBoB> Jizu: no, no, no
[11:11] <Jizu> :>>>>>>>
[11:11] <Jizu> ok
[11:11] <Jizu> but how ca i use ?
[11:11] <Jizu> is there a program ?
[11:11] <Deusiah> Gnome meeting Jizu
[11:11] <Jizu> other ?
[11:11] <Fackamato> Jizu: apt-cache search webcam
[11:11] <geneo91> capture card type web cam
[11:13] <Hackmo> Anyone here use kismet on hoary?
[11:14] <bwlang> hackmo: i've used it - but just ask your question...
[11:15] <StoffBox-Steve> someone here using a "Cherry CyMotion Master" Keyboard ?
[11:15] <padlefot> Zyan
[11:15] <padlefot> ok, im in that stupid grub consol now
[11:15] <Hackmo> bwlang: When I try to run it I get the error "FATAL: Unable to open cisco control file '/proc/driver/aironet/eth0/Config' 2:No such file or directory
[11:15] <Hackmo> "
[11:15] <Hackmo> Do you know how I sort that?
[11:16] <padlefot> by running "Gnu Grub"
[11:16] <padlefot> sorry
[11:16] <padlefot> it says "gnu grub"
[11:16] <Zyan> padlefot: sorry was afk
[11:16] <Zyan> padlefot: did you run 'update-grub'?
[11:16] <bwlang> hackmo: are you using an aironet card?
[11:16] <padlefot> Zyan, no
[11:16] <bwlang> hackmo: does that file exist?
[11:16] <bwlang> hackmo: is it accessible to your user?
[11:17] <padlefot> but how do i know i affects the grub on my hard-drive, and not the livecd one
[11:17] <Zyan> did you chroot /mnt/hda1 /bin/bash
[11:17] <malte`> OMG what appened to gnome-look.org ???
[11:17] <Zyan> padlefot: ^
[11:18] <Hackmo> No i'm using a netgear card, but I get that error on both my wirelaptop and on this computer(which doesn't use wlan), I guess the file doesn't exist but if it is needed should it not have been created during installation, and yeah it is accessible to me
[11:18] <Zyan> padlefot: you could 'cp /boot/grub/menu.lst /boot/grub/menu.old'
[11:18] <padlefot> hehe too latre
[11:18] <padlefot> *late
[11:18] <padlefot> ill try rebooting
[11:18] <Zyan> padlefot: wait
[11:18] <padlefot> okok
[11:19] <padlefot> i ran grub-update now
[11:19] <padlefot> it found three kernels
[11:19] <Zyan> padlefot:  the one your looking for?
[11:19] <Hackmo> I just checked and there is no aironet in the /proc/driver directory
[11:19] <padlefot> among others
[11:20] <padlefot> should i try rebooting?
[11:20] <Zyan> padlefot: yeah give it a try
[11:20] <djp> ok, this is a really daft question no doubt, but how do you resize a window by dragging it with the mouse and maintain its aspect ratio? in windows it was shift or ctrl but neither work under ubuntu when i try them...
[11:20] <bwlang> hackmo: sounds like you have kismet misconfigured to look for a cisco card...
[11:21] <geneo93> hmmm hoary is crashing on me now
[11:21] <mdke> anyone use zopeedit for our wiki?
[11:21] <bwlang> hackmo: when the channel is busy don't forget to include a username at the beginning of your post so the recipient doesn't miss your message
[11:21] <Hackmo> any idea on how I can configure kistem?
[11:21] <Hackmo> oh ok, sorry about that
[11:22] <Hackmo> bwlan: any idea how I configure kismet?
[11:22] <bwlang> hackmo: /usr/share/doc/kismet/README.Debian
[11:22] <Hackmo> bwlang: ok thanks
[11:22] <Fackamato> I love ubuntu.
[11:22] <Fackamato> Although, I'd like to speed up the startup process.
[11:22] <Fackamato> How can I do this?
[11:22] <bwlang> Fackamato: to speed things up you can remove the software you don't need
[11:22] <Fackamato> Does it look for NEW hardware at every startup?
[11:23] <Fackamato> If so, how can I tell it to stop looking? ;P
[11:23] <Fackamato> bwlang: I have removed some, ppp for example etc
[11:23] <daniels> it doesn't look for new hardware, no
[11:23] <bwlang> fackamato: are you talking about the live distro?
[11:23] <Fackamato> bwlang: no, ubuntu hoary
[11:23] <daniels> Fackamato: if you're using hoary, it's already fast (faster than Fedora and Windows XP)
[11:23] <Fackamato> "normal" install
[11:23] <bwlang> facamato: you might have something installed  like hal or discover... i like those - but you could get rid of them and do stuff manually
[11:24] <geneo93> man this system log is taking forever to load in gedit
[11:24] <Fackamato> bwlang: what's hal/discover? :o
[11:24] <padlefot_> Zyan  :-)
[11:24] <racingcamel> how do i install a .tar.gz properly?
[11:25] <ewhitten> whoo!  after months of my amd64 machine locking up at random... I'm up for more than 5 minutes!
[11:25] <Zyan> padlefot: is that a good :-) ? or a guess what :-)
[11:25] <mdke> anyone use zopeedit for our wiki?
[11:25] <padlefot_> Zyan: it worked great
[11:25] <bwlang> fackamato: they're software programs that respond to hardware changes...
[11:26] <Zyan> padlefot: nice! glad to hear that
[11:26] <padlefot_> exept i think the 2.6.10 kernel was the new updated one, cause it didnt work
[11:26] <Fackamato> bwlang: aha
[11:26] <racingcamel> what is the best php ide?
[11:26] <Fackamato> bwlang: Will I break anything if I remove hal?
[11:26] <padlefot_> but when i booted a 2.6.8 kernel, it had no problems booting =)
[11:26] <robtaylor> has anyone else seen wierd things happening with DNS querys in hoary?
[11:26] <padlefot_> thanx alot :-)
[11:26] <mdke> robtaylor, what sort?
[11:26] <Zyan> padlefot: thanks to StoffBox-Steve for the update-grub tip.
[11:27] <padlefot_> StoffBox-Steve  :-) thanx mate!
[11:27] <bwlang> fackamato: you'll break the automated desktop icons etc.... you'll lose gnome-volume-manager,
[11:27] <robtaylor> mdke: odd query types being sent out instead of 'A'
[11:27] <Fackamato> argh.
[11:27] <Fackamato> I'll keep hal. :>
[11:27] <Fackamato> Didn't have discover installed.
[11:27] <padlefot_> and Zyan to, #ubuntu is great, helped me out hundreds of times :-)
[11:27] <mdke> robtaylor, oh no sorry
[11:27] <robtaylor> mdke: thanks anyway ;)
[11:27] <bwlang> fackamato: i'm not sure why you care so much about boot time... try software suspend if you want to save power
[11:27] <robtaylor> it shows up as dns querys taking ages
[11:28] <robtaylor> strangly nslookup doesnt suffer
[11:28] <Fackamato> bwlang: where do I software susupens? it's not in the log out menu ;(
[11:28] <robtaylor> so i guess its some glinc level issue
[11:28] <apokryphos> Does anyone know of a way to change the default desktop enironment? I'm not talking with gdm/kdm here; the general default. As when one manually enters startx.
[11:28] <bwlang> robtaylor: you could try installing something like dnsmasq (a caching nameserver) to speed up dns
[11:28] <robtaylor> bwlang: well that may help, but i'm more worried theres a glibc bug in hoary ;)
[11:29] <padlefot> =)
[11:29] <ewhitten> is it a known bug that certain Gig-E broadcom chips will totally lock up a system?
[11:29] <crimsun> ewhitten: depends on the kernel
[11:30] <Zyan> padlefot: glad to help, this is my first day using Ubuntu. Didn't feel like waiting 2 days for gentoo to install
[11:30] <bwlang> fackamato: before you try it the first time be sure of two things.. 1) you have enough swap to hold all your system ram and video memory  2) you didn't leave anything really important running... then you can 'echo 5 > /proc/acpi/sleep' to send your computer to sleep
[11:30] <Jesterace> i'm trying gentoo on my server box atm
[11:30] <apokryphos> in Fedora/RedHat the switchdesk command could be used; anything similar in ubuntu?
[11:30] <ewhitten> crimsun:  hmm..  latest 2.10.  Annoying thing was that I can't disable the onboard ethernet in bios, had to pop the case :-P
[11:30] <bwlang> apokryphos: what does that command do?
[11:30] <Jesterace> i like ubuntu as a workstation
[11:30] <Fackamato> bwlang: hehe, how do I wake it up? I'll try that later :)
[11:30] <Jesterace> no hiccups yet
[11:30] <bwlang> Fackamato: you wake it up by pressing the power button
[11:31] <apokryphos> bwlang: changes the default desktop environment
[11:31] <padlefot> Zyan, i see your point. how are you liking it so far? i used to run slackware, but it got to stressfull
[11:31] <Fackamato> bwlang: doh
[11:31] <Fackamato> bwlang: I haven't used these power management things in years ;)
[11:31] <padlefot> and i like the apt
[11:31] <padlefot> :D
[11:31] <padlefot> slapt-get just isnt the same :P
[11:31] <bwlang> Fackamato: there's probably some gui software you cold install to do the same thing
[11:31] <Fackamato> bwlang: probably, I'll search
[11:32] <bwlang> apokryphos: to switch your env to kde you can install kubuntu i think
[11:32] <Zyan> padlefot: Seems good so far )
[11:32] <bwlang> apokryphos: they you can make a choice about which one to use at the gdm prompt
[11:33] <apokryphos> bwlang: I don't wanna delete any desktop environments, and like I said, I don't mean "change default" as in the gdm/kdm way. Talking about when one manually does startx... the environment that is started then.
[11:33] <Zyan> padlefot: although having a hard time with python version's and getting some app's to compile.. but I don't think it's a Ubuntu issue
[11:33] <farruinn> apokryphos: just click session at the gdm login
[11:34] <Fackamato> farruinn: he isn't using gdm
[11:34] <apokryphos> farruinn: I don't mean the gdm/kdm way :)
[11:34] <bwlang> apokryphos: ah ...  you want update-alternatives x-session-manager
[11:34] <padlefot> Zyan did you install with the hoary CD, or update from warty?
[11:34] <farruinn> apokryphos: oops, sorry
[11:34] <Zyan> padlefot: Hoary
[11:35] <padlefot> okay :)
[11:35] <padlefot> good on ya
[11:35] <padlefot> apt-get dist-upgrade takes forever
[11:35] <apokryphos> bwlang: cool; how do I use that?
[11:36] <Zyan> padlefot: lol try a emerge gnome on gentoo.. without X installed yet
[11:36] <Zyan> padlefot: I'd say average of 10 hours to complete
[11:36] <padlefot> hahaha
[11:36] <icebalm> Zyan: kde is 3 times slower
[11:36] <regeya> !
[11:36] <regeya> I take it you have numbers on hat
[11:36] <padlefot> i like the fact that hoary has gentoo 2.9
[11:36] <bwlang> apokryphos: just type update-alternatives ... you'll get some usage info there...  eg update-alternatives --config x-session-manager
[11:36] <padlefot> ***gnome 2.9
[11:37] <padlefot> :P
[11:37] <Zyan> icebalm: *shudder
[11:37] <regeya> I take it by your lack of response that you *don't* have numbers on compilation times on kde and gnome
[11:38] <Zyan> Oh, I have a question about Ubuntu. Why is it that you do not set a root password? or did I miss it
[11:38] <Zyan> had to boot to single and set passwd for root
[11:38] <apokryphos> Zyan: explained in the site; wait, I'll get you a link
[11:38] <regeya> on an older box I had, it seemed to take about the same amount of time...both could be measured in days (2 in this case for both)
[11:38] <Zyan> apokryphos: thanks
[11:38] <padlefot> Zyan: so you can do it yourself :P
[11:39] <padlefot> hehe, its strange. i also questioned it when i installed
[11:39] <robtaylor> ok. my dns issue is that its reuesting for ipv6 address 1st, then goes through the search domains, then comes back and does an ipv4 query
[11:39] <padlefot> just run "sudo passwd root" with the user you create
[11:39] <bwlang> Zyan: generally ubuntu is set up to not use root.... insteat you're supposed to use sudo
[11:39] <regeya> but Gentoo GNOMErs like to say "KDE takes like 10000x longer to compile and it's ugly LOL"
[11:39] <padlefot> and you set the root passwd
[11:39] <apokryphos> Zyan: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[11:39] <dazed||lap> hey who can help me with my wireless card?
[11:39] <Zyan> bwlang: ahh, got it
[11:39] <dazed||lap> Zyan:
[11:39] <dazed||lap> its not picking up the acces point
[11:40] <bwlang> padelfot: see what apokryphos says...
[11:40] <dazed||lap> zyan: whats that command u told me to type to find access points?
[11:41] <bwlang> dazed||lap: iwlist (interface) ap
[11:41] <Zyan> dazed: "iwlist wlan0 scanning'
[11:42] <dazed||lap> zyan: said 'failed to read scan data: operation not supported'
[11:42] <apokryphos> bwlang: that did it; thanks for the help. :)
[11:43] <Zyan> dazed||lap: and bwlangs idea "iwlist (interface) ap"?
[11:43] <groklem> trying to install ndiswrapper... but all I can find in the apt cache is ndiswrapper-source which doesn't have an exectuatable??? any clues???
[11:43] <icebalm> groklem: it's source code, you have to build it
[11:43] <evilbutters> This is a newb question but how can I upgrade FireFox to the latest version in Warty?
[11:44] <dazed||lap> zyan: wlan0     Interface doesn't have a list of Peers/Access-Points
[11:44] <bwlang> groklem: you'll have to build it ... there's some non-free stuff involved so debian doesn't distrib the binary
[11:44] <groklem> icebalm: cheers
[11:44] <bwlang> evilbutters: apt-get update;apt-get upgrade - or use synaptic
[11:44] <Zyan> dazed||lap: just as a test try 'iwlist wlan0 enc'
[11:45] <dazed||lap> zyan: wlan0     2 key sizes : 40, 104bits
[11:45] <dazed||lap>           4 keys available :
[11:45] <dazed||lap>  .... then it says
[11:45] <Zyan> dazed||lap: ok, do you know the ssid of your AP?
[11:45] <dazed||lap> zyan: SIOCGIWENCODE: Operation not permitted
[11:45] <dazed||lap> SIOCGIWENCODE: Operation not permitted
[11:46] <dazed||lap> how can i look it up zyan? theres another compputer in the house with windows i can look it up on?
[11:46] <icebalm> SSID is the network name
[11:46] <dazed||lap> ok
[11:46] <dazed||lap> default is the network name
[11:46] <dazed||lap> i believe
[11:47] <Zyan> dazed||lap: try 'iwconfig wlan0 essid default'   then 'iwconfig wlan0' and check to make sure it took
[11:47] <won> I'd just like to say that this is the fullest channel I've ever been in :-)
[11:48] <groklem> icebalm: ndis doesnt seem to have installed source files no .c or make file... wtf?
[11:48] <dazed||lap> zyan: Error for wireless request "Set ESSID" (8B1A) :
[11:48] <dazed||lap>     SET failed on device wlan0 ; Operation not permitted.
[11:48] <icebalm> groklem: it must have installed something, surely it's not an empty package
[11:48] <dazed||lap> sudo?
[11:49] <Zyan> dazed|lap: yes
[11:49] <icebalm> dazed||lap: you're not root? shame on you
[11:49] <dazed||lap> ok did that
[11:49] <dazed||lap> lol i know
[11:49] <dazed||lap> now what?
[11:49] <Zyan> dazed|lap: does 'iwconfig wlan0' show default as the essid?
[11:49] <icebalm> time to install ubuntu, bbl, maybe, heh
[11:50] <dazed||lap> zyan: its picking it up it found access point and transfer rate is at 11mbs
[11:50] <nilsL> Hey, I got a problem with sshd: can't install it, get errors saying: E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[11:50] <Zyan> dazed||lap: 'iwlist wlan0 scanning'
[11:51] <groklem> icebalm: fukit i'll get the source from sf.net
[11:51] <Zyan> dazed||lap: don't need the output, just if it worked
[11:51] <dazed||lap> zyan: same error as before
[11:51] <Zyan> dazed||lap: OK, try your dhclient wlan0
[11:52] <dazed||lap> ok now what?
[11:52] <bwlang> nilsL: you need to look in more detail at the error to find out why it's failing...
[11:52] <Zyan> dazed||lap: test network connection
[11:52] <scizzo> nilsL: sounds like small problem with dpkg
[11:53] <scizzo> nilsL: is that the complete error? did you try: apt-get update before doing the install?
[11:53] <nilsL> Did not try the update.
[11:53] <scizzo> nilsL: try updating the repositories first
[11:53] <scizzo> nilsL: then install
[11:53] <nilsL> scizze: Tried that too now, same error.
[11:54] <scizzo> nilsL: what is the complete error?
[11:54] <scizzo> nilsL: what happens if you run: 'apt-get -f install'
[11:54] <nilsL> /var/lib/dpkg/info/openssh-server.postinst: line 165: /etc/ssh/sshd_config: No such file or directory
[11:54] <nilsL> dpkg: error processing openssh-server (--configure):
[11:54] <nilsL>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[11:54] <scizzo> just that ....don't add openssh-server or anything in the end
[11:55] <riddley> how do I get /lib/modules/kernel-version/build ?
[11:55] <riddley> and contents)
[11:55] <pagefault> hey
[11:55] <scizzo> nilsL: wow....warty?
[11:55] <pagefault> err oops
[11:55] <pagefault> wrong channel
[11:55] <crimsun> riddley: install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[11:55] <nilsL> scizzo: Just: apt-get install ssh ?
[11:55] <riddley> crimsun: I tried that... no dice
[11:55] <bwlang> riddley: whe you make a kernel if you do a make-kpkg kernel-image and install the resulting deb that area will be populated... otherwise you have to do a make modules_install
[11:55] <crimsun> riddley: how is /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build  being referenced?
[11:56] <scizzo> nilsL: hmmm.... I usually run apt-get install openssh-server
[11:56] <riddley> bwlang: I'm using ubuntu's kernel
[11:56] <riddley> crimsun: I'm trying to build a driver for my new logitech mediaplay mouse
[11:57] <nilsL> scizzy: OK, it doesn't work. You said something about updating some other thing ?
[11:57] <bwlang> riddley: don't do that - just use the built in drivers.
[11:57] <larsrohdin> hi, I really suck at this irc-thing... how do i do to join #fluxbox on irc.freenode.net?
[11:57] <riddley> crimsun: that headers package didn't contain anything in /lib/modules
[11:57] <bwlang> larsrohdin: /join #fluxbox
[11:57] <scizzo> nilsL: hmmm...are you running warty?
[11:57] <larsrohdin> bwlang, ok thanks!
[11:57] <riddley> bwlang: uh, no.
[11:57] <nilsL> scizzy: No, I don't thinks so.
[11:58] <dazed||lap> it returned a bunch of lines in the terminal
[11:58] <scizzo> nilsL: then you are running hoary?
[11:58] <scizzo> nilsL: hmmm
[11:58] <nilsL> scizzy: Sorry, I'm running Warty.
[11:58] <scizzo> ok
[11:58] <StoffBox-Steve> are there console commands to control Kaffeine ?
[11:58] <bwlang> riddley: well - its your system... but i would never install some random vendor's binary module into my kernel... especially when you can get all kinds of wheely scrolly etc. from the normal drivers
[11:59] <scizzo> nilsL: if you try to install it from synaptic does the same error come then?
[11:59] <riddley> bwlang: it's not a vendor, it's open source and I've already tried 'xev' and the extended buttons don't show up at all.