lamontconfigure:2059: checking build system type12:01
lamontconfigure:2072: error: /bin/sh config/config.sub x86_64-linux failed12:01
lamontyou mean that?12:01
lamonthaven't checked debian/rules and friends, but my bet is that they just update config.guess in the top directory, not in cppunit/12:02
lamont-rwxr-xr-x    1 buildd   buildd      43458 Mar 15 07:40 ./config.guess12:02
lamont-rwxr-xr-x    1 buildd   buildd      33085 Oct 26  2001 ./cppunit/config/config.guess12:02
lamontafter the build12:02
crimsunah, great catch12:03
crimsunthanks much :)12:03
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crimsun(duh, the configure is for cppunit)12:03
lamontelmo: nm on those build-deps.12:03
lamontcrimsun: :-)12:03
Riddellmdz: could we also have kde-style-lipstik in main?12:07
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mdzRiddell: same process and criteria as for anything else12:17
Riddellmdz: of course12:18
Riddelljust giving warning :)12:18
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mdzClint: what creates obj/Src/Modules/Makefile.in in the zsh build?12:23
Clintnot configure?12:23
mdzah, mkmakemod.sh12:24
Clintoh, yes12:24
mdza goddamn maze12:24
Clintit's much saner without the patch12:24
Clintit's too bad libtool can't do it better12:25
ogracould someone fix the topic in #ubuntu finally ?12:30
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ograstill states the abi breakage for -2612:31
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ogramdz, thanks :)12:34
mdzClint: I wonder why you haven't encountered this failure in Debian12:35
mdzmaybe an accident of .diff.gz ordering12:35
Clintif you're not touching any of the build system stuff, I don't see what would have broken12:35
lamontmdz: is that really mkmakemod.sh.in.in??12:36
mdzClint: http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/patches/zsh/zsh_4.2.1-15ubuntu1_unknown.patch12:36
mdzClint: that's all we change, apart from debian/changelog12:36
mdzlamont: yes12:36
lamontthat's a maze.12:36
Clintfeel free to redesign it for me12:37
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dholbachi'm off to bed12:38
ogradholbach, no more wxwidget love tonight ?12:39
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smurfixGah. http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/, last item. Somebody pease remove that.12:39
dholbachogra: don't think so... no love any more tonight 12:39
Clintwhat was the failure again?12:40
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robtaylorsmurfix: wow, support for large plone folders, just what i've always wanted =)12:41
mvonight all12:41
ogradholbach, but you should trigger the build before bed, then its probably done tomorrow :-P12:41
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dholbachogra: the build breaks after 3 minutes, where extracting the chroot tarball and ./configure take at least 2m30s12:42
ograouch, that needs a lot of love then12:43
mdzClint: the failure was it trying to run autoconf during the build12:43
mdzClint: which is what i just finished patching out12:43
dholbachogra: yes :-)12:43
mdzClint: it'll only happen if the timestamps fall the right way12:43
mdz(the wrong way)12:44
Clintand how are the timestamps getting horked?12:44
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tp_can I ask where should I report ooffice bug in the 1.1.3 (paste in oocalc inserts rather than overwrites.. http://www.oooforum.org/forum/viewtopic.phtml?t=15527)12:45
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ogranight dholbach 12:47
tp_it's down as bug #402004 for oo but it's closed with 'not ooffice bug' (blaming Novell by the looks of it)12:47
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tp_sorry bug  #4020412:48
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Clintmdz: okay, that patch is definitely broken12:50
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mdzClint: I assume by the .diff.gz ordering12:58
mdzand various random buildd factors12:58
danielsmdz: mkmakemod.sh.in.in?!?01:01
mdzyou guys act like you've never seen a .in.in file before01:01
mdzthere's one in, like, every gettext package ever01:02
danielsyeah, I've seen .in.in01:02
danielskde has you write configure.in.in01:02
danielsbut two levels of abstraction to generate a shell script that apparently calls autoconf and generates Makefile.ins just sounds horrid01:03
danielsalmost makes me wish for imake01:03
Clintit doesn't call autoconf01:03
daniels(disclaimer: no, I'm not actually wishing for automake)01:03
danielsClint: ok01:03
Clintit generates Makefile.in and other shell scripts which generate other things01:03
mdzdaniels: the shell script which is eventually generated by that .in.in produces a makefile01:03
mdzer, a makefile.in01:03
mdzwhich is turned into a makefile01:03
mdzwhich calls autoconf01:03
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danielsthat is so awesome01:04
danielss/wishing for automake/wishing for imake/01:04
azeemyou wish for automake?01:05
danielsi wish for automake, yes01:06
Clintautomake would be a bit cleaner01:08
Riddelldoes anyone know what hal-hotplug-map does and why KDE needs a symlink to pmount but gnome doesn't?01:08
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ograballon help in hwdb :)01:18
danielsogra: nice! :)01:24
ogradaniels, wait after i hacked me through the night ;)01:24
ajmitchogra: trying to meet deadlines? :)01:25
ograhehe, yup01:25
danielsogra: heh01:25
tp_is there a release of ooffice due for hoary (fix to nasty insert bug in oocalc, really nasty if you use it for financial)01:27
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tsengjeez eugenia cant stop02:00
zulshe ranting again?02:01
tsengshe "appologized" after restating that gnome doesnt care about users blah blah02:02
tseng On one hand, the controversy was positive, because it introduced a lot of people to the fact that many people believe that Gnome developers have not had an effective channel to receive and interpret feedback from users02:02
robertjtseng: I don't know. Part of me says "dont go to he site" but the other part of me thinks noone in here will ever click on a banner there, ever.02:02
zulsome chick ranting doesnt make me want to read it02:04
robertjzul: stupid women ruining our software!02:04
zulrobertj: not exactly02:04
tsengoh man.. fedora core 4 built by gcc 4.002:05
zulits all ranting with nothing good to say really02:05
crimsuntseng: yep02:05
robertjstupid women wanting to ruin our software ;)02:05
robertjAny interesting things going on in fedora? Around Fedora 2 they were doing some nice python applets but after that things seemed to get very stale.02:07
zulwho cares its nasty fedora02:08
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tsengthey seem to think that networkmanager actually works02:09
robertjit doesn't02:10
tsengnot very well.02:10
robertjworks good enough for me02:11
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bingwhich package contains the live-cd partition detection code?02:13
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zulcd 02:26
zuli dont mean to02:30
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mike_douglasHi, where can I find some more info about using kickstart to automate a Ubuntu Hoary install?03:06
danielsmike_douglas: unfortunately it's 2am where our installer guy (who has been doing all the kickstart stuff) lives03:06
mike_douglasdaniels: damn, could I have his email?03:08
jdubmike_douglas: mail ubuntu-devel03:08
dredgholy crap it is 2am03:14
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Riddelljdub: do you have the HTML for the new ubuntu site design?03:57
danielsKamion: new xorg will hit soon, which means that your greek stuff is fixed; mkfontscale moved xbase-clients -> xutlis04:12
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Riddelljdub: could you check over the two packages here?05:05
Riddellneither they not ubuntu-calendar seem to get picked up by gnome-background-properties05:05
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lamontmorning fabbione 06:29
lamontmdz: you about?06:29
mdzlamont: vaguely06:30
lamontI sent you some mail...06:31
mdzsaw it06:31
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Treenaksmorning all06:36
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fabbionemdz: did everything go ok with the CD yesterday evening?06:44
mdzfabbione: I was waiting for X to build06:44
fabbion3ah ok06:44
mdzlooks like it's done06:45
mdzlamont: what does royal replace?06:45
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Treenaksfabbion3: re: 7651 (2-line crasher/panic fix)..06:46
lamonthi AnthonyTowns 06:46
fabbion3Treenaks: ok06:47
AnthonyTownsi didn't want to, the bad people made me06:48
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dholbachgoooood morning07:46
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svenlKamion: thanks.07:56
ogramdz, still alive ?08:00
mdzogra: yes08:00
mdzwatching the DPL debate08:00
ograi have rewritten the whole app (else i had no chance to get the changes in) will take me about 5-6h to finish it, is the CD build started already ?08:01
ogra(5-6h given i dont fall asleep)08:01
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mdzogra: I just started a build, yes08:12
mdzbut there will be more08:12
ograso would this timeframe be ok ? 08:13
mdzI am very nervous about rewriting the app the day before the milestone release08:14
ograi think it will be ok, i tested it very extensively and fixed some bugs that were in before....but it leaves me at the point where i was yesterday night, having to  glue gui and sendpart together....08:16
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ograits only the backend code i rewrote, the app itself couldnt handle repeats of the tests the way it was, it was needed08:17
svenldamn, tzsetup-udeb failed with error code 108:22
svenland there seems to be no /usr/lib/cdebconf/frontend/passthrough.so :/08:23
svenlthis apparently broke since yesterday.08:23
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fabbion3Treenaks: 7651 pending upload08:36
Treenaksfabbion3: cool, thanks08:39
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dholbachmorning d3vic3 08:48
whiprushman dholbach, do you ever sleep? ;)08:48
crimsunMOTUs don't sleep  =)08:48
dholbachwhiprush: ask ogra... he's the hero :-)08:48
dholbachwhiprush: i slept nearly 6 hours08:48
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ogracrimsun, i can confirm that :)08:54
svenlMmm, seems install this morning is fully broken on powerpc.08:58
dholbachd3vic3: do you have any idea on vtk?08:58
dholbachd3vic3: some guy of a company wrote me a mail and asked how to fix it08:59
crimsundoesn't it need to be __init__.py?08:59
dholbachd3vic3: i always get this *GRR* "patented" message08:59
crimsunlet me apt08:59
crimsunerr, apt-get source08:59
dholbachbut herve found out there was a new version in debian09:00
dholbachmaybe it works better with the one they have09:00
crimsunright, please ask elmo for a sync :-)09:00
dholbachcrimsun: a sync alone won't suffice09:00
dholbachat least i fear it won't suffice because of our python2.4 changes09:01
crimsundholbach: right, but at least it will provide a new base on which to build -4ubuntu109:01
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dholbachhi pitti 09:03
dholbachcrimsun: hmhmhmhhmhmmhm :-)09:04
pittidholbach: thanks for the DVDs, they arrived yesterday :-)09:04
dholbachpitti: WOOHOO!09:05
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dholbachhai mvo09:07
mvohey dholbach 09:07
mvomorning all09:07
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pittihi mvo09:08
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mvohi pitti 09:13
d3vic3morning dholbach 09:20
d3vic3dholbach, I haven't looked at it09:20
dholbachd3vic3: ok09:20
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kagouYes !!!!! -> http://home.btconnect.com/chrisandcarolyn/knoppix38-for-windows.png       An ubuntu version will be greater ;)09:28
fabbionekagou: that is running knoppix in qemu09:30
fabbioneeverybody can do that09:30
fabbioneeven you09:30
fabbionewith ubuntu09:30
kagouit's a cd all made (may be the live cd of ubuntu can do that ?! )09:31
fabbioneyou mean it runs automatically qemu to boot and so on?09:32
fabbioneyeah i see09:32
kagouyes, you put the cd on the drive and it launch automatically this09:32
kagouImage, you boot on the ubuntu live and you have ubuntu, you put ubuntu on the drive under windows and you got this (qemu)09:33
kagouit's a GREAT feature09:33
mjg59That would be neat09:33
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kagoui always hav my problem with dma. I must had "hdc=noprobe hdc=cdrom" to grub whereas hal crash. So i don't have DMA cdrom enabled. And i can't enable it. Whereas if i boot with ubuntu live my cdrom drive works fine and DMA is enabled.....09:36
Treenakskagou: what kind of controller?09:37
Treenaksvia what?09:38
kagouvia82cxxx on  notebook with amd6409:38
kagouTreenaks, http://forum.hardware.fr/hardwarefr/MiniPCPortablesPDA/sujet-1459-1.htm09:40
TreenaksI've seen that09:41
TreenaksI just don't have a clue about your problem09:41
kagouyep nobody have an idea :/09:41
pittidaniels: I just saw that you fixed the libXPM issue foar Hoary09:42
pittidaniels: in your next upload, can you please add the CAN-2005-0605 to the changelog entry?09:43
danielspitti: oh yeah, sure09:44
danielspitti: i've got an xfree86 source for you in a bit, too09:44
kagouwhy can't i open a distant file shared by samba with openoffice. It's seems that only gnome software can do that no ?09:56
Treenakskagou: everything using gnomevfs can do it09:56
kagouopenoffice do not use this no ?09:57
Treenaksnot that I know of.. but I don't use openoffice.. only abiword & gnumeric09:57
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kagouSo under gnome, how can i mount a smb share, allowing me to open an xls file with openoffice ?10:03
Kamionmeh, ok, from what svenl said I guess I hosed tzsetup-udeb. damn.10:03
danielsKamion: g'morning10:03
fabbionehey Kamion 10:03
danielsKamion: lost tzsetup-udeb, gained greek support; you win some, you lose some ;)10:04
KamionReplaces: rstart, rstartd, xbase-clients (<< 6.8.3-4), [...] 10:06
Kamiondaniels: I'm sure that wasn't the version you meant10:06
danielsKamion: FRIG10:06
danielsKamion: i mean, thanks.10:06
jordimvo: ping10:06
Kamionshouldn't be fatal though10:06
danielsit's orright, i have some more changes to push anyway10:06
jordimvo: apparently, I fucked up yesterday and failed to link agianst ncursesw.10:07
danielsgood catch though10:07
kagouor is there a way to use smbmount/smbumount with nautilus ? (may be a script)10:07
jordiit seems nano should be ok with ncursesw.10:07
jordiI will try again now.10:07
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danielspitti: chinstrap:~daniels10:10
mvojordi: all right, just keep me updated when there is something new to test10:10
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jordimvo: I'm building10:12
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danielsso does anyone know where you upload warty-security to?10:17
danielsdo I just fire it at jackass and hope for the best?10:17
jordimvo: wow, this apparently works just ok10:18
jordimvo: introduces libncursesw dep tho10:18
mvojordi: what does upstream think about the snapshot? does he feels it's pretty stable? or should we rather wait ?10:19
Nafallonano? *crosses fingers*10:20
jordimvo: he thinks 1.3.6 is near releasing.10:20
jordiI *believe* that would be a good version for Hoary.10:20
toresbeI'm concidering installing hoary on me laptop10:21
kagoui'm sorry but i can't find "File/Script" under nautilus ... is it normal ?10:26
kagouor in the help file of nautilus it's like that10:26
elmodaniels: please coordinate with pitti10:28
mvojordi: can I download the test-package somewhere :) ?10:28
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elmoand don't just randomly upload - undoing broken security uploads is an annoying amount of work for me10:28
jordimvo: uploading in a min10:29
danielselmo: i talked to pitti who told me to upload and that he'd prepare the usn text when he got near bandwidth10:29
danielselmo: and this one builds ok for me in a warty chroot10:29
mvoMithrandir: around?10:29
Mithrandirmvo: pong10:30
elmodaniels: if your conversation didn't include where to upload to, I think you still need to talk to him :P10:30
kagousorry, i must logout and login to make the File/Script menu appear in nautilus ... :/ it's bad10:30
danielselmo: sorta hard given he left before I could ask10:30
danielselmo: but er yeah, it's been fired at jackass in any case (before you responded)10:30
danielsrecommend killing it now if it needs to be killed10:32
dholbachelmo: morning! could you please sync:  asterisk pstngw ?10:33
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fabbionejdub: ping?10:38
jordimvo: pd.o/~jordi10:40
elmodholbach: done10:40
dholbachelmo: thanks :-)10:41
mvojordi: thanks, downloading10:41
dredgelmo: what dholbach said, but s/asterisk pstngw/phpbb2/ :)10:43
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Nafallomvo jordi: was that nano utf8-support I saw? :-)10:43
jordiNafallo: yah10:43
Nafallojordi: YAY! nice work! :-)10:44
jordiNafallo: http://people.debian.org/~jordi/nano_1.3.5-cvs-0.0_i386.deb10:45
mvojordi: still no luck here, I can type certain german umlauts (,<-capital)10:45
jordimvo: damn10:46
Nafallojordi: yepp, but no amd64 ;-). I'll just take the sources :-)10:46
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danielssabdfl: yo!  how are the alps?10:48
danielsif that's indeed where you are10:48
sabdflhigh all :-)10:48
ograpitti, found my bug ;) there as missing a else in another function10:48
sabdfldaniels: ^10:48
ograhi sabdfl 10:48
Kamionpointy mountains10:49
jordimvo: I see it10:49
mvojordi: you can reproduce it?10:50
fabbionehey sabdfl 10:50
smurfixhey sabdfl. Good skiing?10:51
jordiI'll tell david10:52
sabdflsmurfix: i'm trying hard to look good moving at high speed on my face10:52
jordisabdfl: hey10:52
sabdflhiya jordi10:52
jordisabdfl: we need to talk about the May thing. Email, phone?10:52
smurfixsabdfl: Practice makes perfect ;-)  and the abrasion gives you health-looking skin. Eventually ;-)10:53
sabdfljordi: mail easier, or sms me your phone number and i'll try call this eve10:53
jordisabdfl: basically we need an "official" confirmation that you'll attend, and then plan the other details. I don't know how or who handles this stuff for you.10:53
jordisabdfl: ok10:54
jordienjoy the skiing. (bastards! ;)10:54
sabdfli do try to avoid the skiing bastards and just hang out with other boarding doodz10:54
pittiHi sabdfl, welcome back10:55
sabdflsometimes a collision with a skiing bastard is inevitable, though10:55
sabdflpitti: not quite back yet, just taking a break from my holiday10:55
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Treenakspitti: Uphill skiing tends to be harder :P10:57
jordisabdfl: ah, I haven't tried snoboard10:57
danielssabdfl: ah, you're boarding?10:58
smurfixTreenaks: Uphill skiing is *work*. Not my idea to spend a holiday at.10:58
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pittiTreenaks: oh, I do cross-country a lot, which involves a lot of uphill :-)11:00
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jordimvo: if you see other things, please tell.11:04
mvojordi: ok11:06
jordimvo: I just sent mail to nano devel11:07
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mvojordi: thanks!11:08
Kamionsvenl: just uploaded base-config 2.62ubuntu12 to fix the tzsetup-udeb crash you reported, thanks; will build new CDs as soon as it's in the archive11:09
svenlKamion: he.11:09
svenlKamion: is it possible to do preseeding from the netbooted yaboot.conf to set the url for package download to my apt caching proxy ? 11:10
Kamionsvenl: might be, but it's fiddly - today's netboot image should ask you for the mirror, though11:11
Kamiond-i mirror/http/countries select enter information manually11:12
Kamiond-i mirror/http/hostname string your.hostname11:12
Kamiond-i mirror/http/directory string /ubuntu/or/whatever/11:12
svenli just need the new initrd.gz, right ? 11:12
Kamionprobably want new vmlinux too, we just did a kernel ABI change11:13
svenlKamion: the above is for the preseeding, right ? 11:13
svenlKamion: well, i downloaded the new vmlinux a couple hours ago, i g...11:13
Kamionfrom /installer-powerpc/current/?11:13
svenlwait, i don't even need to download a new vmlinux/initrd.gz11:13
svenlyeah, that is something i wanted to ask you, the place i downloaded the stuff from, the last it has is march 10.11:14
Kamionright, use installer-powerpc/ for the moment rather than daily-installer-powerpc/; not sure what's happened to the dailies11:14
Kamionbut I uploaded a proper d-i yesterday so that should be good for now11:15
svenlhttp://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/main/installer-powerpc/current/ then.11:15
Kamionlamont: please re-enable daily d-i builds11:15
Kamiond'oh, we forgot to turn them back on after the preview, it seems11:15
jdubeek :|11:16
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svenlBTW, it would be nice if the web pages somehow showed the effective date too or something.11:16
Kamionsvenl: yeah, dunno why archive.ubuntu.com doesn't over HTTP; if you use FTP instead, it should show you11:16
dholbachbon jour seb128! :-)11:16
pittiHi seb128 11:16
pittiseb128: I'm at the uni again (still no network), but some guy on u-devel mentioned a libgnomecups fix11:17
pittiseb128: I can't test this here, but it sounds promising :-)11:17
svenlOk, nice.11:17
Kamionsmurfix: cool, new keyboard selector stuff is nice11:18
smurfixKamion: I sure hope so. ;-)11:19
smurfixKamion: The one major problem I'm having with it is that switching languages confuses kbd-chooser -- it stores translated stuff in debconf11:20
Kamionsvenl: main thing lacking from the new yaboot-installer is a screen to tell you what OF variables to set11:20
Kamionsvenl: I'll port that over from nobootloader as soon as I get a chance11:20
smurfixKamion: Fortunately people usually don't do that.11:20
Kamionsmurfix: yeah, switching languages confuses several things actually11:20
pittiseb128: hmm, actually it was a different bug. What a pity :-(11:20
Kamionsmurfix: like you end up with extra packages installed for all the languages you picked11:21
fabbioneis anybody familiar with usb and usb2 hardware? 11:22
smurfixfabbione: somewhat11:22
smurfixfabbione: What's the problem?11:22
fabbionesmurfix: there is something i am not really able to understand. my machine reports to have a USB2 controller. but if i plug a USB2 device in all the ports i can see outside the machine, it always get connected as USB111:23
Kamionsmurfix: I'm happy for that to be a "don't do that, then" item for hoary11:23
fabbionesmurfix: at least according to lsusb11:23
smurfixfabbione: Does it work if you load only the ehci driver?11:23
fabbionethe driver is already loaded11:23
svenlKamion: ok.11:23
smurfixfabbione: remove the uhci driver then11:24
svenlKamion: did you have a chance to investigate the post-reboot failure i had ? Or at least see if you can duplicate it ? 11:24
dholbachelmo: did you already sync mysql-dfsg-4.1 from sid? if not, could you do please? it contains a security fix11:24
smurfix(or ohci, depending on your hardware)11:24
fabbionesmurfix: but the phisical ports are shared?11:24
smurfixfabbione: Yes :-/11:24
fabbionesmurfix: ahhhh that explains11:24
Kamionsvenl: I couldn't duplicate it on my Pegasos11:25
svenlKamion: and should the yaboot executable not be distributed as part of the netboot dir ? 11:25
svenlKamion: strange.11:25
Kamionsvenl: yeah, it really should11:25
smurfixfabbione: driver load order *sometimes* makes the problem go away11:25
Kamionpxelinux is for other arches, after all11:25
smurfixfabbione: ditto turning off legacy support11:25
Kamionadded to the ever-growing todo ...11:25
fabbionesmurfix: i am acutally trying to reproduce #763311:26
smurfixfabbione: Lemme check11:26
svenlMmm, a kernel with fixed gigabit ethernet would be nice too, hopefully we will have that for tomorrow.11:26
svenlfabbione: i have the patch, no need to test.11:26
fabbionesvenl: ????11:26
svenlno->now :)11:26
svenlKamion: mmm, it only proposes me us.archive.ubuntu.com, nothing more.11:27
svenland going back and entering the value manually fails.11:28
Kamionsvenl: which country did you select?11:29
svenlus i think.11:29
Kamionok, that's kind of a feature :)11:29
Kamionalthough going back and entering manually should work ...11:29
svenlmmm, he doesn't like me entering
Kamiondoes it crash out (red screen)?11:30
svenlyep, but it may be my caching proxy which is playing tricks.11:30
KamionI had it working for my local mirror with expert mode yesterday; haven't yet tried the new choose-mirror11:31
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Kamionthe general intent of which was to offer mirror configuration without expert mode11:32
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svenlKamion: as said, need to check my apt-caching proxy setup, since it is a new one i am trying to package.11:32
Kamionah, ok11:32
Kamionsyslog should have details of what broke11:32
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svenlKamion: wget -q
smurfixfabbione: Depending on your hardware you may not be able to reproduce the bug; I've asked the reporter to try swapping the load order / turn off legacy11:34
smurfixfabbione: ... and the way the BIOS initially sets up the ports -- all of this is exactly the kind of backwards compatibility mess USB was supposed to prevent ;-)11:35
svenlAh, ... the apt proxy cacher dislike the // syntax.11:35
svenlbut i am told no kernel modules are found now :/11:35
fabbionesmurfix: clearly11:36
svenlMmm, the installer Packages file still contains -27 kernel modules :/11:36
pittielmo: please sync: mozilla-locale-de-at mozilla-locale-da mozilla-locale-fr mozilla-locale-it mozilla-locale-ptbr11:36
svenlFilename: pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.10/affs-modules-2.6.10-4-powerpc-di_2.6.10-27_powerpc.udeb11:37
svenlwhen is the ubuntu mirror pulse ?11:37
svenlOh fun, fr.archive.ubuntu.com didn't pick up yet the -28 kernel.11:38
Kamionno idea when the mirror pulse is, it'll vary I guess11:46
KamionI doubt they're all push mirrors11:46
Kamioncould just try archive.ubuntu.com for now11:46
svenlfr.archive.ubuntu.com has yesterday's package list.11:46
Kamionok, things looking reasonably good for Array CD 7 with the exception of the incoming base-config bug fix11:49
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svenldaniels: ok, the pcigart fallback will not be applied.11:55
svenldaniels: what do you propose then ? Adding the BusType PCI if on pegasos ? 11:55
danielssvenl: (but the xresprobe patch is good and I'll do that)11:56
danielssvenl: to be honest I'm not sure I even want to do that -- that would be the first time we've ever added a custom driver option11:56
danielsand I'm not really keen on starting to do so now ...11:56
svenldaniels: write in the release notes : if you are on pegasos, and want DRI support, edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and add option "BusType" "PCI" to the right place ? 11:58
danielssvenl: i'm not the release notes man, i'm afraid, but that seems pretty sensible to me12:00
svenldaniels: it is not a major problem, as X will work, altough sub-optimally, but it should be documented somewhere.12:01
danielssvenl: right12:01
svenldaniels: do you have a log of the conversation or something ? 12:02
danielssvenl: basically, having a busted gart can give us really weird problems, and I'd rather have perfect rendering everywhere (but slow in some cases) than massive graphical glitches and 3D everywhere12:02
danielssvenl: yeah, somewhere12:02
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svenldaniels: a busted gart -> a busted pci gart ? 12:03
pittiseb128: just logged out and back it; I don't have a stale dbus instance any more :-)12:03
pittiseb128: do you? if not, then the bug should be closed12:04
danielssvenl: yeah, if you have a pci gart where you should have an agp gart, and things end up going wrong12:04
danielspitti: mmm ... i'm going to fix it fo'real in dbus tonight12:04
svenldaniels: i don't understand this.12:04
dholbachelmo: could you please also sync  libpri  from sid?12:04
danielssvenl: well, imagine you have a proper agp radeon right, on a proper agp bus12:05
danielssvenl: but your agpgart is broken in the kernel, so you can't set up an agp gart12:05
danielssvenl: if you fall back to a pci gart here and try to set that up, there are some cases where things can go badly wrong12:05
pittidaniels: does it still happen to you?12:06
svenldaniels: this will only be a problem if there is supposed to be an agpgart, but it breaks for something else than your northbridges not being supported by agpgart ? 12:06
danielssvenl: right -- if you don't have the right module loaded or something12:06
svenldaniels: so what ? It is a kernel bug which needs fixing, no ? 12:06
danielspitti: no, but it should still be fixed properly :)12:06
danielssvenl: not really12:06
danielssvenl: it could be a configuration issue12:06
danielssvenl: what I'm trying to say is that falling back to a PCI GART on AGP cards will cause problems sometimes12:06
svenldaniels: so the problem is how to distinguish the case where there is no agpgart from the one where the agpgart is just broken.12:07
danielssvenl: michel didn't merge that patch into x.org for exactly that reason12:07
svenlyeah, but what alternate solutions can we use, if you refuse to add the BusType, and the fallback solution is broken.12:07
svenli will speak with michel about that, he too has pegasos hardware, so there should be chances that he has some idea.12:08
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svenlKamion: there is mkvmlinuz as part of ubuntu base, but no support for it in the kernel ? 12:08
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danielssvenl: well, ideally there wouldn't be any AGP cards on PCI busses in the world, but it seems that that is not so12:10
seb128pitti: I've reassigned the bug to daniels who knows what to do apparently :)12:10
danielssvenl: we discussed also walking the PCI tree to see if the parent was a PCI->PCI bridge with AGP capabilites, but that won't work either12:10
danielssvenl: in many cases, the bridge will be a sibling of the card, because PCI doesn't specify that the bridge must be the parent (sigh)12:11
pittiseb128: gosh, these utopia bugs are killing me. everything works just perfectly for me on both computers...12:11
svenldaniels: with such reasoning we would all use windows on lousy x86 hardware.12:11
pittiseb128: can you reproduce any of it? (mounting at login, mounting at runtime, etc.)12:11
ograpitti, which one ? 12:11
pittiogra: ALL OF THEM12:11
pittiogra: :-)12:11
ograpitti, thom still has it it seems12:11
svenldaniels: what about motherboards where the agpgart is not yet supported in the kernel -> no DRI for them ? 12:12
ograpitti, i dont see it here either12:12
thomfraid so, yeah12:12
pittiogra: I think the slow hal is still an issue12:12
pittithom: ^ 12:12
danielssvenl: well, yeah12:12
Kamionsvenl: no, mkvmlinuz is not in Ubuntu base; it's only in main due to a build-dependency from debian-installer12:12
ograpitti, not here...12:12
pittiogra, seb128: I rather mean the g-v-m/hal/gamin issues12:12
svenlKamion: "an error was returned while trying to install the kernel into the target system" :/12:12
ograpitti, h-d-m is fully populated (got it in my session on startup)12:12
pittiogra, seb128, thom: #761612:12
thomseb128: also, 7711 looks like it's a problem with nautilus/gamin12:13
seb128thom: an idea on #7717 ?12:13
svenlnothing particular in base-installer/kernel/failed-install12:13
Kamionsvenl: oh, damn. I wonder why I didn't see that.12:13
thomseb128: files are downloaded to Desktop and then they don't show up12:13
Kamionmdz,jdub: can I add mkvmlinuz to ship, please?12:13
jdubdesktop handling seems b0rk12:13
svenlnothing particular in syslog.12:13
jdubthere's another gamin released, which i'll upload soon12:13
Kamionsvenl: oh, of course, I didn't see it on netboot for obvious reasons, will be a problem on CD-ROM12:13
seb128where is gamin 0.0.26 ?12:14
seb128we can't debug on outdated versions12:14
ograpitti, i'm pretty sure its not hal12:14
svenlKamion: i don't follow you on this, what is the problem ? 12:14
thomseb128: hrm, i'll look12:14
seb128and there is no way to speak to DV if you run an outdated version12:14
seb128the stock reply is "update first"12:14
Kamionsvenl: actually - with yaboot support, we can just tell base-installer not to install mkvmlinuz on chrp_pegasos12:14
svenlKamion: i am not sure the mkvmlinuz is the problem, is it ? 12:15
Kamionsvenl: what's in /var/log/messages?12:15
svenlMD5Sum mismatch on linux-restricted-modules.12:16
svenli will do an install without apt cacher proxy.12:16
seb128pitti: #7616 works just fine here12:16
Kamionsvenl: ah, that would do it, yes12:16
pittiseb128: I'm typing a reply; can a non-running g-vfs-daemon be the culprit?12:17
ograpitti, 7616 works here too12:17
ograpitti, sure12:17
seb128pitti: could, but I don't see a reason why it would not be running12:17
ograpitti, or a not running g-v-m12:18
pittiI just asked for another full debugging cycle...12:18
pittianyway, if it works on many machines, it's certainly not RC12:21
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pittiseb128: #7641 - this is supposed to work, right?12:25
thomseb128: also, dingus clicking is seriously whacky; i have the url underlined, but sometimes don't get the Open Link or Copy Link Location options12:26
ograpitti, works for me with an nfs mount, but it has the user option set12:27
pittiogra: well, it needs the user option anyway, I suppose12:27
pittiogra: but it doesn't work for me, if I change fstab, the new user volume does not appear12:27
ograpitti, the reporter doesnt talk about it12:27
pittiseb128: I have an idea; this worked before, but in Warty it directly monitored /etc/fstab. Now g-vfs uses hal, right?12:30
seb128lemme read the few lines and the bugs12:31
pittiseb128: if I add something to /etc/fstab, it should appear in the Computer menu12:31
seb128it does here12:31
svenldaniels: what about putting bustype into a debconf variable, which we can preseed or set from the installer ?12:32
danielssvenl: radeon-specific driver option12:32
seb128pitti: if that doesn't work dynamically that could be #608812:33
pittiseb128: oh, indeed. iz gamin boog :-)12:33
ograworks here, even with such weird things like /dev/hdx12:33
seb128thom: clicking where ?12:33
pittiogra: hmm, doesn't work for me12:34
seb128gamin is the crap12:34
thomseb128: on g-t, right clicking on urls (aka dingus clicking)12:34
ograpitti, just added:  /dev/hdx        /media/hdx      ext3    user,noauto     0       012:34
pittiogra: and it appears in computer and places?12:34
ograand i have a hdx in the computer win12:34
pittihmm, not for me12:34
pittiat least _one_ bug I can reproduce12:35
ograpitti, not in the places menu12:35
seb128that works for sure here, I've taken some screenshots for GNOME 2.10 and computer was changing as soon as /etc/fstab is modified12:35
ograseb128,  what about places ?12:35
seb128places menu is #608812:35
seb128gamin monitoring b0rked12:35
seb128that does that for gtk bookmarks too12:35
seb128and the recent documents12:35
seb128clear recent documents works for you ?12:36
pittiseb128, ogra: ah, I know12:36
pittiit does work if the mountpoint is below /media12:36
seb128sometime that works, sometime not12:36
pittibut not if it is e. g. /mnt, as in my case12:36
pittiseb128: /media is treated specially in gamin, right?12:36
seb128it's doing some polling to not block umount12:37
seb128instead of using dnotify12:37
pittiso if it works with /media, but not with /mnt, is this #6088?12:37
seb1286088 is the monitoring of a single file12:37
seb128ie: ~/.gtk-bookmarks12:37
pittiseb128: okay. g-vfs is also special-casing /media12:37
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pittiseb128: so I debug this there12:37
KinnisonHi guys12:37
ograwhy wouldnt it work with recent docs ? 12:37
pittiHi Kinnison 12:37
ograhi Kinnison 12:38
seb128nice pitti12:38
seb128hi Kinnison 12:38
seb128mvo: here ?12:38
Kinnisonseb128: is there a known issue with evo sometimes not syncing IMAP state when you close it down?12:38
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svenlKamion: mmm, getting the stuff from us.archive.... i have the timezone error again :/12:38
seb128Kinnison: not sure if there a bug, but I've noticed that this week12:39
mvoseb128: yes12:39
seb128mvo: do you know if #6088 is still here ? 12:39
mvoseb128: I need to check, but it should work with the dnotify backend I guess12:40
pittibah, now it works even with /mnt. What a mess12:40
mvoseb128: are you working on it right now?12:40
seb128mvo: we are trying to do some bug cleanup in the gamin/mount/.. issues12:41
seb128and I would like to figure what's fixed or not12:41
Kinnisonseb128: if I can work out how to reproduce it reliably I'll let you know; but I'm glad I'm not the only person seeing the behaviour sometimes12:41
seb128Kinnison: k, thanks12:41
mvoseb128: give me some minutes and I can tell you12:41
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seb128mvo: thanks, there is no hurry12:41
pittiseb128: can you please upload gamin 1.0.0 which fixes all bugs?12:42
pittiseb128: unfortunately I forgot the upstream URL....12:42
ograpitti, mnt works here too, even with hdx12:42
pittiogra: yeah, I try it again with a clean session (just logged out/in)12:42
ograpitti, i'm sure he can quickly wirte it :-P12:42
seb128pitti: ask jdub, he's the brave gamin maintainer :p12:42
seb128jdub: give us the crack12:43
danielsseb128: that dbus thing totally sounds like a gtk bug, dude12:43
jdubseb128: when i get home; at debsig atm :-)12:43
pittithis bloody, bloody gvfs12:43
pittiogra: /dev/hdx        /mnt            reiserfs        defaults,user,noauto,ro 0 0 -> works12:44
pittiogra: hdx does not exist12:44
seb128stop blamin gtk, gvfs or whatever :p12:44
ograpitti, ah, i tried /mnt/hdx12:44
seb128daniels: session should handle it ?12:44
ograpitti, here neither12:44
pittiogra: but with /dev/hda4 (which _does_ exist) it doesn_t work12:44
pittiogra: can you please try with a really valid partition?12:44
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danielsseb128: yeah, but gtk is much more convenient12:45
danielsseb128: (dbus's Xsession.d file needs to have --exit-with-session)12:45
ograpitti, i ould try with a cf card, wait a sec12:45
pittiogra: just try an existing one which is not mounted12:45
Kinnisondaniels: does it not?12:45
pittiogra: cf is already hotplugging12:45
danielsKinnison: not afaict12:45
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danielsKinnison: but I've been busy with evermore X stuff and not got to 0.23.4 yet12:45
Kinnisonif [ -n "$STARTDBUS" ] ; then12:46
Kinnison  STARTUP="$DBUSLAUNCH --exit-with-session $STARTUP"12:46
pittiogra: try your swap partition12:46
Kinnisonon current hoary12:46
Kamionsvenl: us.archive.ubuntu.com != archive.ubuntu.com, it probably hasn't synced yet12:46
danielsKinnison: cock12:46
danielsKinnison: gtk bug then12:46
pittiogra: swap partition does not work for me either12:46
Kinnisondaniels: *g*12:46
seb128or --exit-with-session b0rked12:46
Kamionsvenl: gb.archive.ubuntu.com == archive.ubuntu.com, or just use a.u.c directly12:46
danielsKinnison: hm, I wonder if --exit-with-session works properly with signals12:46
danielsKinnison: i.e. start it, kill its parent with KILL, watch it fail to clean up?12:46
Kinnisondaniels: quite possibly not. dbus-launch is utter cock12:46
danielsor something12:46
danielsKinnison: yeah12:46
svenlKamion: yeah guessed such.12:47
ograpitti, only moans about the non existing mountpoint12:47
Kinnisondaniels: sic sjoerd on it :-)12:47
pittiogra: darn, it doesn't display at all with /dev/hda312:47
ograpitti, but shows up in computer12:47
Kamionsvenl: I *did* only do the source upload an hour and a half ago or so :)12:48
svenlKamion: :)12:48
Kamionbut a.u.c has it now12:48
ograpitti, sorry, made a mistake, youre right12:48
ograpitti, but my swap is mounted....probably g-vfs knows that ?12:49
pittiogra: dunno, could be12:49
mvoseb128: it looks like #6088 works with dnotify12:49
ogradid you swapoff ?`12:49
pittiogra: but it doesn't work either with an unmounted partition12:49
seb128mvo: k, feel free to close it then :)12:49
pittiogra: no, I kept it mounted12:49
danielsKinnison: nah, I'll take care of it, have other dbus stuff to do tonight anyway12:49
ograpitti, let me try to manually unmount the cf card, then i can play with it...12:50
Kinnisondaniels: cool12:50
mvoseb128: shouldn't we leave it open as a test-case for the inotify stuff?12:50
seb128mvo: dunno but any way to make it clear that's it should not be in the hoary scope ? the current situation with gamin issues is a mess12:50
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ograpitti, shows up, moans about the non existing mountpoint12:51
seb128that's not clear what is an issue or not12:51
seb128I don't really care about inotify if we use dnotify, that's just doing noise12:51
mvoseb128: I retitled the bug and added a explaination that it does work now with dnotify12:52
pittiwhy doesn't the g-vfs package respect DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS?12:53
seb128gnome-vfs2 you mean ?12:55
seb128it uses CDBS and it does12:55
pittiDEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nostrip,noopt debuild -us -uc -b12:55
pittistill it's compiled with -O212:56
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seb128pitti: weird12:56
pittiCFLAGS="-O0"...  is passed to configure correctly12:57
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pittiseb128: hmm, works now, seems I didn't clean properly. Sorry for the noise12:57
seb128pitti: http://lists.debian.org/debian-gtk-gnome/2005/03/msg00031.html12:58
seb128another information that could be useful12:58
pittiafter hibernating? yeah, I could ask this12:59
pittialthough my laptop also resumed from sleep when I tried all this12:59
pitti(however, I reloaded the usb host controller modules)12:59
pittiseb128: gamin 0.0.26? does it fix more? :.-)01:00
tsengthe fixes arent something that we've seen abundantly01:00
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pittiseb128: is it possible to start g-vfs-daemon in the foreground in a console?01:01
pittieverytime I kill it it respawns in the background01:02
seb128gnome-session-remove nautilus01:02
pittiah, cool01:02
seb128killall gnome-vfs-daemon && /usr/lib/gnome-vfs2/gnome-vfs-daemon01:02
pittiseb128: then I see g_warning() and friends?01:03
svenlKamion: where is yaboot post-install ? 01:04
svenlusr/lib/yaboot/yaboot ? 01:04
svenlKamion: ok rebooting with the generated yaboot.conf01:05
Kamionshould be boot/yaboot01:05
KamionI stuck a symlink in01:05
Kamionbut usr/lib/yaboot/yaboot should work too01:06
seb128lunch time, bbl01:06
svenlKamion: Ok, seems to work, the problem i had yesterday is not present.01:06
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svenlwill test boot/yaboot on next reboot.01:06
=== Kamion has the Pegasos in the installer, and is waiting for his local mirror to sync before running the rest of the test
KamionI uploaded yaboot-installer half an hour ago or so with some extra nobootloader-like text that gets displayed as a note01:07
svenldaniels: xresprobe fix is not yet in though.01:07
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svenlOk, but it was not yet used, i think, will try again later.01:07
Kamionyeah, not built yet01:07
Kamionin fact source not even in the archive yet01:08
danielssvenl: no, I'm still working on xresprobe, have other things to do for that upload01:08
jbaileythom: ping?01:16
Kamionhmm, I am totally amazed that CDs from the last four days have worked at all; override file generation was geb0rken01:19
Kamionoh well, fixed now01:19
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jordijbailey: yay. apparently it got accepted into the review queue :)01:20
jbaileyKamion: Hey, thinking of which.  ISTR that to create lvm/raid partitions, I used to select that instead of 'ext3', etc., but I didn't see it in the list on yesterday's daily or the one from 4 days before.  Where do I set that up now?01:21
Kamionjbailey: should still be there01:21
jbaileyjordi: Which 'it'? =)01:21
Kamionjbailey: "physical volume for LVM" etc.01:21
jbaileyKamion: 'kay, I'll dig to figure out why it's not a bit later then.  01:22
svenldaniels: ok. you didn't reply to me about using a debconf variable for the bustype thingy though.01:22
jordijbailey: the talk proposal01:22
=== Kamion is not especially keen on setting random debconf variables for X in the installer, if he can possibly avoid it
Kamionit would be code in two places for no reason01:22
svenlKamion: yeah, well.01:23
jbaileyjordi: Yes, of course.  What I'm really impressed by is that I've received *no* requests for talks to be added after the deadline.  I think the closest to the wire was an email 8 minutes before. =)01:23
KamionX fetches debconf stuff from d-i, but not the other way around :)01:24
svenlKamion: do you see another solution ? pcigart fallback was rejected, and daniels don't want to do a check for pegasos and set the option.01:24
svenlKamion: euh ?01:24
Kamionplus getting debconf questions to X from d-i requires rather special effort01:24
svenlKamion: the idea is that we have per-subarch logic in d-i.01:24
svenlKamion: so we just set one variable if we know we are on pegasos, and X then reads it or something.01:24
Kamionif the bustype facility's added at all, X should work it out for itself. I don't want the installer getting involved in that sort of thing.01:25
svenlKamion: ok.01:25
Mithrandirjbailey: so I was the closest to the wire?01:25
KamionAt the moment, the installer's responsibility ends when X starts, and I very much like it that way01:25
Mithrandiryay me. :)01:25
jbaileyMithrandir: I'm trying to remember if it was you or taggart. =)01:25
Kamionit relieves the installer of having to care about X at all01:25
svenlKamion: seems more logical to me too.01:26
danielssvenl: mmm, i'm kind of uncomfortable having debconf variables for specific options for a specific driver for a specific subarch, y'know?01:26
Mithrandirjbailey: taggart was like more than an hour.01:26
danielsthat code is already horrible enough01:26
jbaileyMithrandir: Not when I got the email, though.01:26
svenldaniels: i still don't understand what metaphysical opposition you have in adding a line checking for pegasos and adding Bustype though.01:26
Mithrandirjbailey: possibly OF, since Matt's went through without moderation holdup.01:26
jordijbailey: mine must have been that one01:27
danielssvenl: because we've never done it before for anyone.  the debconf code is already really really horrible and unmaintainable, and bloating that up with a whole bunch of hacks for specific machines (which are imo broken anyway) is just not the way to make it better.01:27
svenldaniels: would you accept a patch in the radeonfb driver which checks for pegasos and set UsePCI or whatever ?01:28
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svenlerr, radeon X driver even.01:28
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danielssvenl: that sounds really horrible ... how do you check for that in an X driver, though?01:31
svenldaniels: so there is no solution to this ?01:32
Mithrandirdaniels: fd = fopen("/proc/cpuinfo", "r"); :P01:32
svenldaniels: you read for the presence of a marvell MV643xx northbridge in the pci tree ? 01:32
svenldaniels: something akin to the following kernel code : 01:32
svenl        if ((ret = pci_find_device(PCI_VENDOR_ID_MARVELL, PCI_DEVICE_ID_MARVELL_MV64360, NULL))) {01:32
=== daniels screams.
svenlWe know if we find such a northbridge, that we cannot have agpgart, since this northbridge has only pci ports.01:33
svenldaniels: why ? 01:33
danielsthat's ... it's really horrible01:33
danielsi know it works, but why should radeon_driver.c know about specific northbridges?01:34
svenldaniels: there is code in X for looking for the pci tree.01:34
danielsyeah, I know01:34
danielsbut I just don't see why radeon_driver.c should have knowledge of how specific northbridges are wired?01:34
svenldaniels: because it otherwise set erroneously the UsePCI field ? 01:34
danielsi really, really still think that the root of this problem is putting an agp slot on a pci bus01:34
danielsand that no-one should ever does this01:34
danielssvenl: how's it erroneous?  the card's all like 'hey yeah i'm agp'01:34
svenldaniels: you know there are agp->pci converters and vice-versa ? I have seen those ? 01:34
svenldaniels: so what do you propose ? 01:35
danielssvenl: i assume those would be smart enough to mask out the agp cap field?01:35
danielssvenl: i propose fixing the hardware, honestly ...01:35
svenldaniels: mmm.01:35
danielsi'm just not sure that dri on those sorts of systems should *ever* be supported out of the box if it means horrible hacks like that01:35
svenldaniels: the agp cap field is something found in the pci config region of the card, right ? 01:35
svenldaniels: you are being despreciative.01:35
danielssvenl: yeah, it's found in the PCI config region01:36
danielssvenl: not really -- I mean, I'm sure you could come up with clean code01:36
danielssvenl: but radeon_driver.c is a *display* driver, dude!01:36
danielswhy should it ever need to know anything about northbridges?01:36
svenlthe pci config stuff is read through RTAS, so in theory i could fix the OF rtas callback to patch the pci config read for the agp bus.01:36
KinnisonWon't this change have to be made to every driver which might be for a card which could get plugged into the pegasos' slot?01:37
danielssvenl: err ... yeah, that would work, but that's also strikingly horrible01:37
KinnisonOr is the radeon wired onto the board?01:37
svenldaniels: right, the right place is to have a check in the configuration step to setup the BusType option, it is easy (1 line), and the right place, but you refuses it because you never had to do this before.01:37
danielssvenl: this sort of the thing is the reason why very, very few people have ever considered putting agp slots on pci busses, i'd imagine01:37
danielssvenl: no, and it should never have to be done01:37
svenlKinnison: basically, the northbridge has two pci-x buses, and one is maskeraded as agp slot so people can easily find graphic cards to plug in it.01:38
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danielsKinnison: (iow, yes)01:38
Kinnisonsvenl: Oh dear god!01:38
Kinnisondaniels: ergh01:38
svenldaniels: this is the sort of thing why very very few people do desktop hardware apart from cheap x86 hardware.01:38
Kinnisondoes the pci conf data get read via the kernel?01:39
danielsKinnison: yeah, it's a blob01:39
svenlKinnison: notice that ECS (second x86 motherboard manufacturer) does the same thing with agp-express.01:39
svenlKinnison: via rtas through the firmware.01:39
danielsbasically, you check one bit to see if you have caps, then you look at a linked list and walk it to see if you have an agp cap01:39
danielsbut doing that would potentially involve rewriting the entire capability field01:39
danielsconsider the following situation01:39
daniels#1: power management capability, next capability #201:40
daniels#2: agp capability, next capability #301:40
daniels#3: some other capability, next capability 0x001:40
svenldaniels: wait a minute, i have to make a phone call to our hardware guys, maybe there is a firmware level solution to this.01:40
Kinnisondaniels: ergh!01:40
danielsnow you can't just kill #2 completely, you'd have to set #1's next field to #2's next field, really01:40
danielswhich is a really horrible hack01:40
danielssvenl: ok ... but honestly, no disrespect, ecs are known to make really cheap and shitty hardware01:40
danielssvenl: if you want to compare to x86 oems, ecs is not the one to aim for01:41
svenlKinnison: do you know of a northbridge manufacturer who proposes powerpc northbridge with agp capacity ? If so please give us his coordinates.01:41
Kinnisonsvenl: Dunno; not a platform I care about01:41
svenldaniels: they did it, and you will encounter this problem in the future again.01:41
danielssvenl: dunno, but apple seem to have it working01:41
danielssvenl: ask them? ;)01:41
danielssvenl: i know we'll encounter this problem in the future, but that sort of setup is imo just so pathologically broken that we can't expect to support dri out of the box on it01:42
svenldaniels: do you seriously think apple will sell us northbridges, when they killed the OEM market a couple year back ?01:42
svenldaniels: so you think a release not is less work than a one line shell script fix ? 01:42
danielssvenl: i think it's a less bad idea01:42
Kinnisondaniels: How hard would a server option of something like "-all-agp-is-pci" /01:42
danielsdaniels@catsby:~xap% wc -l debian/xserver-xorg.{config,postinst}.in01:43
daniels 1633 debian/xserver-xorg.config.in01:43
daniels  732 debian/xserver-xorg.postinst.in01:43
daniels 2365 total01:43
svenlKinnison: there is a radeon driver config option : BusType PCI for that.01:43
danielssvenl: this is the sort of thing I have to contend with already.  now imagine if I start adding in checks for various subarchitectures, subsystems, all that sort of thing.  it's going to get huge, and unmaintainable, and one day I'm just going to snap and kick it all out of the debconf code, and we'll be back to square one.01:43
danielssvenl: so I'm just going to keep assuming that, given AGP and PCI are physically different, any AGP card is on an AGP bus01:45
danielsany PCIE card is on a PCIE bus, and any PCI card is on a PCI bus01:45
danielsthere's a reason they're not pin-compatible01:45
danielsi think that, given the number of people who have these sorts of 'solutions', this is a reasonable thing to assume when the only penalty is losing DRI support out of the box01:46
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svenldaniels: wait i speak with hw guys01:46
danielssvenl: ok01:46
Mithrandirsvenl: dude, finding a supplier who sells AGP and PCIe Northbridges for PowerPC CPUs took me less than five minutes.01:49
svenlon the phone.01:49
mvoseb128: is nautilus-cd-burner supposed to work with dvd-rams?01:49
svenlMithrandir: let me guess, it is Mai ? 01:50
svenlMai logic even ? 01:50
svenlthey happen to have non-working dma controller though.01:50
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Mithrandirall their DMA controllers are broken?01:51
danielssurely you could say 'we'll pay you for agp+dma'01:51
svenland refused to sell us more chips two years ago because they wouldn't admit their chip was buggy.01:51
danielssame to marvell01:51
svenlMithrandir: they consider it a feature that dma or whatever only works in non-cache-coherent mode.01:51
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svenlMithrandir: which makes it unusable for desktop linux, or so said benh on debian-powerpc some time back.01:52
svenldaniels: ok.01:52
danielsnot that agp and cache coherency play well together at all :P01:52
seb128mvo: I guess so, dunno the difference between the differents DVD types01:52
svenldaniels: i will implement a firmware level workaround to map out the agp cap, it is not trivial work though, and probably at least an order of magnitude more involved than fixing that as a config option.01:53
mvoseb128: hrm, I just had problems with it (kept telling me to insert a medium), but I will do some more testing01:53
svenldaniels: well, if we had unlimited amount of cache available, we could design our own northbridge like apple does.01:53
danielssvenl: i understand, but you'll have these problems also if someone plugs in, e.g., an nvidia card01:53
danielssvenl: and i know it's frustrating for you, but honestly, radeon_driver.c really isn't the place for it01:54
danielsif you put agp slots on a pci bus ... you get to fix it up01:54
svenldaniels: nvidia cards are evil, and there is no powerpc 3d support anyway.01:55
svenldaniels: i will fix it.01:55
danielssvenl: i know that, dude, but i'm just saying that you'll continue to have these problems across more than ati01:55
jordimvo: found anything else?01:55
danielsand we'll be carrying that patch forever -- there's no way upstream would ever accept it (i wouldn't even bother trying)01:55
svenldaniels: as far as linux on powerpc is concerned, only ati is a solution.01:56
danielsso the pegasos would only work with ubuntu and older versions of debian, not with gentoo or whatever01:56
svenldaniels: only as long as it takes me to fix the firmware.01:56
svenldaniels: but the more stuff i add to the TODO list, the less chance i get to make a new firmware release before the hoary release, which is what i wanted.01:56
danielssvenl: right.  again, i understand that this sucks for everyone involved; i'm not doing this just because i hate you.01:57
danielsit's just that this is the best option for a) genesi/pegasos, b) ubuntu, c) xorg, d) pegasos users01:57
svenlok, have to go now, will fix the firmware as best i can.01:57
mvojordi: I didn't tested it much more, I don't have that much utf-8 documents (yet)01:58
svenldaniels: well, having the one line patch in for hoary and dropping it as soon as i fix the firmware would be another solution.01:58
svenlKamion: ubuntu install finished01:58
Kamioncool, working?01:58
jordimvo: nod01:58
KamionI'm still waiting for xorg to mirror, since it's ahead of yaboot-installer in the list <mutter>01:58
seb128thom: nice try to blame nautilus :p01:58
pittiseb128: hah02:00
pitti(process:32655): libgnomevfs-CRITICAL **: gnome_vfs_get_uri_from_local_path: assertion `local_full_path[0]  == '/'' failed02:00
pitti^ SIGSEGV02:00
svenlKamion: yep, but i have no mouse connected.02:01
danielsKamion: and you win another xorg upload reasonably soon02:01
seb128pitti: utch02:01
svenlbut i loged into X.02:01
seb128pitti: what do you do ?02:01
Kamionalt-f1 pops up a terminal I think02:02
pittiseb128: debug and fix it :-) (at least try to)02:02
pittiseb128: but this might be the reason why all the computer/places stuff does not work02:02
svenlKamion: and the yaboot symlink in boot also worked.02:02
pittiseb128: becuase g-vfs-daemon starts over and over again02:02
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Kamionsvenl: next yaboot-installer directs people at boot/yaboot via a note02:02
seb128pitti: "what do you do" == "what do you do to get the crash"02:02
ograpitti, hmm, could explain the hal slowdown too (if anybody still sees it)02:02
Kamionsvenl: the symlink means that having separate /boot and / partitions probably won't work, though02:03
Kamionsvenl: but I ran out of time to hack mkofboot02:03
pittiseb128: oh, just start it, and touch /etc/fstab02:03
svenlKamion: mmm.02:03
ograpitti, in fact also thims bug could be covered there02:03
ograthoms even02:03
svenlKamion: can you then : check if we have a separate /boot, and copy yaboot if we do so ? 02:03
svenlKamion: alternatively we could put a symlink in /boot before mounting /boot :)02:03
Kamionsvenl: as previously discussed, need to make mkofboot/ybin do the copy because there needs to be a trivial way to update the copy of yaboot there02:04
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pittiseb128: hmm, touch is not enough. but saving in an editor triggers the segfault02:04
svenlKamion: ok.02:04
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Kamionand mkofboot is really the right place, it's exactly analogous to installing the bootloader in the bootstrap partition on other subarches02:04
svenlKamion: altough i distrust mkofboot, it will just reformat /boot if we are not carefull.02:04
svenlKamion: ok.02:04
Kamionand eventually it could update the nvram etc.02:04
Kamion(once the OF facility's there)02:05
pittiseb128: ah, there is another messsage before, saying "unable to stat /etc/fstab"02:05
pittiseb128: this is certainly at the moment when vim creates a new file -> race condition02:05
svenlKamion: i have updating the nvram through rtas also on my TODO list, but as daniels just added me an item, i am not sure i will make it.02:05
Kamionthat's why I didn't have time, I needed to hit mkofboot with a largish hammer02:05
Kamionsvenl: the yaboot-installer note's fine for hoary, certainly02:05
svenlKamion: what about making sure /boot or / is a yaboot readable partition though ? 02:06
Kamionsvenl: oh yeah, probably need to do partman finish.d hooks02:06
KamionI have your list written down02:07
seb128pitti: doesn't crash here while editing with gedit02:07
svenli think yaboot can do : ext2/3 reiser and xfs.02:07
svenland apart from that resorts to the OF, which can do the ones of the list i gave you.02:08
svenlSomething is fishy with yaboot though, since it has iso reading code, so why does it fallback to fs_of for cds ?02:08
Kamionit doesn't have ISO reading code02:08
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Kamionit has fs_iso.c, but if you look at it, it's just a stub02:08
svenlfs_iso.c:iso_read(      struct boot_file_t*     file,02:08
Kamion     return FILE_ERR_BAD_FSYS;02:08
Kamionit's a stub, like I say02:09
svenlAh, ok.02:09
Kamion *  fs_iso.c - a non-implementation for the ISO9660 filesystem02:09
svenlmakes sense then.02:09
KamionI don't know why it's there02:09
svenlnor me, and i am not interested.02:09
KamionI imagine benh meant to write it but never got round to it02:09
robtaylor_fabbione: ping?02:10
svenlKamion: the real problem is that benh gave over maintainership to Ethan, who didn't do is job.02:11
svenlKamion: (and that is benh speaking)02:11
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d3vic3Kamion, #7729, #7730, #7731, #773302:12
d3vic3I think this guys just keeps send coz there is no reply 02:13
svenlKamion: ok, now i only need to get the gige patch in, and daniels needs to upload a fixed xresprobe, and you need to add the note and the partman stuff, and the rest is firmware level support i need to write.02:14
trukulodaniels, one thing (this channel for this question) atitvout doesn't work with ati driver, but with vesa in xorg02:14
svenlKamion: or is it something else you see missing ? 02:14
trukuloanything related to vbe, do you know anything bout it?02:14
danielstrukulo: yeah, i'm working on tv out support for the radeon driver in my free time02:15
danielstrukulo: but i haven't had a chance to work on it in weeks, unfortunately02:15
trukulodaniels, ati igp i mean :(02:15
trukulodoes radeon works with igp for tvout? (for normal use, works very well)02:16
trukuloif you need test user, here i am02:16
danielstrukulo: well, it will when I'm finished with it ;)02:16
danielsah awesome, thanks -- I'll grab you when it's done02:16
trukulowhen you can, of course02:16
danielsmight be a while tough, real life is lots of fun right now02:16
trukuloi'm not in a hurry :)02:16
Kamiond3vic3: sigh ...02:33
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Kamionsvenl: the note's done, partman stuff is minor but I'll look at it02:33
danielssvenl: fixed xresprobe is already upload02:33
Treenaksdaniels: scary, scary changelog02:34
danielsTreenaks: i try02:35
kagouseb128, martin pitt est sur irc ? si oui quel pseudo stp ? (en supposant que tu le connaisses bien sur ;) )02:35
mvodoes anyone else having problems copy-n-paste text from emacs to gtk-apps?02:35
kagousorry for this french message02:35
daniels(for what it's worth: the reason I consider that change worthwhile is because we *can't* just assume every card ever supports 24bpp, so probing to see whether they do is worthwhile)02:35
pittikagou: EDONTSPEAKFRENCH :-)02:35
Treenaksdaniels: there must be an easier way to probe though02:36
seb128pitti: that's why you are bothered with language packs :p02:36
ograpitti, er hat gefragt ob seb dich kennt ;)02:36
jordipitti: duuude02:36
danielsTreenaks: yeah, we could theoretically probe via vbe, but most vendors seem happy to ship with incomplete vbe mode lists02:36
seb128ogra: I spreche deutsch :p02:36
jordipitti: is there any daily iso that includes ca already?02:36
danielsTreenaks: also, doesn't work on !i386 until after hoary02:36
pittijordi: today's should02:36
ograseb128, oops *g*02:37
jordipitti: kewl02:37
ograseb128, mon francais est tres bete02:37
Kamionjordi: careful to get 20050316.1, 20050316 was hosed02:37
seb128ogra: in fact that's not true, but I can sort of read it (8 years or german at school)02:37
jordiKamion: thanks02:37
danielsKamion: so, uh, you know how your mirror was hurting from xorg?02:37
danielsKamion: how's it feeling now?02:38
Kamionstill is, as a matter of fact02:38
danielsthat would be amusing, then02:38
Kamionnext mirror run won't be until tonight :P02:38
ograseb128, i had 5 years of french, was my worst subject, but two months normandie tought me a lot02:38
danielswell, don't schedule any other bandwidth-crunching tasks for tonight02:38
ogrataught even02:38
pittiogra: I learned Russian for 8 years :-) no french at all02:41
Treenakspitti: in some ways they're alike...02:41
Treenaks(like most European languages are "alike")02:41
ograpitti, at lest you could survive in the eastern countrys, i couldnt :)02:42
trukuloyou don't need language to survive in a country02:43
trukuloyou better have money ;)02:43
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Kamiondaniels: do I need xorg 6.8.2-5 for Array CD 7, then?02:43
Treenakstrukulo: waving a credit card tends to work :)02:43
=== Kamion prays for modular X for breezy
trukuloTreenaks, or don't lose your pants as jeff02:44
Treenakstrukulo: he's good at that02:44
trukulocredit card and wearing pants assure you a good stay in a country02:44
pittiTreenaks: huh? Russian is not an European language, it has completely different roots02:46
KamionRussian is Indo-European02:47
ograKamion, breezy is official now ?02:47
Kamionogra: not AFAIK02:47
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jdub(*cough* it'll be official in the next couple of hours when my mail goes out *cough*)02:48
Treenaksbreezy what?02:48
ograKamion, breezy...not that its official02:48
Kamionogra: (notwithstanding jdub's comment, we heard him say "bendy" a lot, too)02:48
ograbut breezy was the last i heard ;)02:48
danielsKamion: want, yes; need, no02:51
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danielsKamion: -4 is fine for a702:51
Mitariohi everyone02:51
Kamiondaniels: ok, may well just go with that then02:52
trukulowho's the genius putting names to releases?02:52
Kamionsince otherwise I incur a lot of build time02:52
Kamiontrukulo: Mark, generally02:52
mvohey Mitario 02:52
thomseb128_: i think blaming nautilus is quite reasonable02:52
danielsKamion: right -- the other thing is that, being the last array, it needs to be tested to shit first02:52
Kamionwith other conspirators02:52
danielsKamion: which knocks things back a fair bit02:52
trukuloKamion, don't let him, he's getting mad02:52
Kamiondaniels: right. (there's a release candidate in two weeks, though.)02:52
Mitariomvo, did the gnome sysadmins respond?02:52
Kamionbut yes02:53
trukuloor tell him next name is LionLeonardo02:53
thomjbailey: ack; i'm not eager to reboot right now since my sata controller is not entirely happy02:53
danielsKamion: i'll just use the next daily to go around at my local big weird-shit electronics store and hopefully throw in all the laptops there to test02:53
danielsKamion: they have all the bizzare stuff, like 14" widescreens with 1280x76802:53
mvoMitario: not yet ... once they do, we can start moving :)02:53
Mitariomvo, yeah :)02:53
Kamiontrukulo: I strongly suggest not trolling Mark with naming suggestions; you just might find them getting accepted02:54
Kamiondaniels: daily-live might be a bit better ;)02:54
Kamionbut good plan02:54
trukuloKamion, uh oh /clear02:54
danielsKamion: yeah, live02:55
danielsKamion: the plan is to go around with a CD and a USB key and save logs and stuff from everything that doesn't work02:55
danielsthat's assuming, of course, that they let me02:55
danielsi'll go armed with a bunch of warty CDs, my Ubuntu t-shirt, and my radiant charm02:55
seb128_you have seen that ?02:56
evarlastseb128_: yes, I shed a tear :(02:56
thomdaniels: the first two should be fine, the third is utterly doomed02:56
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thomwhat ubuntu t-shirt, by the way? :P02:56
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trukulodaniels, better s/charm/cookies or something like that02:57
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ograthom, we are preparing MOTU shirts ;)02:57
Treenaksogra: cool :)02:57
danielsogra: much better if you just have t-shirts bagging thom02:58
ograand one very special edition.....02:58
danielsogra: http://storetn.cafepress.com/0/15425670_F_store.jpg02:58
danielssorry, that link should be http://www.cafepress.com/keybuk.1542567002:58
ograthe "mdz groupie" shirt *g*02:58
danielsogra: 'moby is my cto'02:58
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mvodaniels: your evil today :)03:00
danielsi would totally go for a 'moby is my cto' shirt03:00
Treenaksdaniels: with or without the picture?03:01
ograomg, so much text....the girls have to come very near to read it ....was that intentional by Keybuk ?03:01
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Kinnisonogra: I doubt it :-)03:01
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ograTreenaks, with two....find the right one ;)03:02
ograKinnison, *g*03:02
Treenaksogra: http://www.cafepress.com/keybuk.15425670?zoom=yes#zoom03:02
Treenaksogra: makes it easier03:02
danielsTreenaks: either03:02
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danielsTreenaks: http://pictures.yukidoke.org/debianweek/aak03:05
Treenaksdaniels: eeep!03:06
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Kamionbiggest sunglasses EVAH03:07
mvodaniels: sooooooo great :)03:07
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jdubaaargh, xorg update hurts my mirror! :)03:08
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Treenaksdaniels: how about http://pictures.yukidoke.org/fluffy/aar03:08
danielsjdub: THIS IS ONLY THE BEGINNING03:09
danielsjdub: dbus, dbus-mono and another xorg to come03:09
tsengdaniels: 23.2?03:10
danielstseng: .403:11
tsenghm =/03:12
danielsno api/abi changes03:12
danielsjust about 97% less memory leakage03:12
daniels-> beagle for hoary03:12
daniels(not in main, mind)03:12
tsengwhiprush said beagle works with .2 and not .303:12
tsengfor some reason03:13
tsengwe'll see.03:13
danielswe'll find out :)03:13
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jdubdaniels: no api/abi changes?03:17
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danielsjdub: NONE WHATSOEVER03:18
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Hannes_1617.24 < jdub> daniels: no api/abi changes?03:19
jdubdaniels: seriously? they fixed the symbol change upstream?03:19
danielsjdub: yeah.  it's badly broken for 0.3x, but I managed to convince them to keep 0.2x api/abi-stable.03:20
jdubrockin', good stuff :)03:20
danielsjdub: they add new shit, which is fine, but afaict everything else should be a-ok03:20
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thomjbailey: ping?03:21
danielsjdub: so, in other news, can we PLEASE get mono into main for breezy03:21
danielsjdub: keeping dbus-mono broken out is a serious pain03:22
jdubit seems likely03:22
jdubhopefully 1.203:22
thomdaniels: we'll move to 1.1/1.2 so it should be ok, guess tseng is the man of the moment on that one03:22
Treenaksjdub: Now with less memory loss?03:22
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danielsoh, frig03:25
jbaileythom: Heya!03:25
danielscan we live with all mono apps being rebuilt against new dbus?03:26
daniels** (/usr/lib/tomboy/Tomboy.exe:16946): WARNING **: Could not find assembly dbus-sharp, references from /usr/lib/tomboy/Tomboy.exe (assemblyref_index=4)03:26
daniels     Major/Minor: 0,2303:26
daniels     Build:       0,003:26
daniels     Token:       9eef2692033670f503:26
danielsnoting that build is now 4,0, and token is some other md5sum03:26
jbaileythom: DidItWorkDidItWork? =)03:26
danielstseng: do we win?03:26
thomjbailey: yepyep03:26
thomand my sata controller didn't kamikaze this time, either03:27
danielstseng: afaict, only tomboy and muine depend on libdbus-cil -- is it safe to rebuild these?03:27
thomso it's a double win03:27
danielstseng: i.e. will you care if I upload libdbus-cil 0.23.4-103:27
jbaileythom: What?  I don't think you had mentioned that bit before.03:27
thomjbailey: oh, yeah. my sata controller had a hissy fit this morning and refused to upload its firmware for a few hours. nothing to do with hotplug#03:27
jbaileythom: Oh good.  Just to confirm though.  It loaded ide-generic last in the last of pci bits, right?  It ought to have, but I want to make sure that it didn't wind up calling into pci.rc multiple times.03:28
thomjbailey: looked that way, yes03:29
jbaileythom: Lovely, thanks.03:29
tsengdaniels: actually according to tomboy upstream, dbus is flakey in tomboy, and they say build it out03:30
jbaileyKamion: It's only the init.d/hotplug file that you replace in the installer, right?  Everything else is from the hotplug package?03:31
tsengdaniels: ive not seen it, but if we hit problems id be happy to --disable-dbus or wahtever03:31
tsengdaniels: rebuilding muine *shouldnt* be a big deal03:31
tsengthom: mono 1.2?03:31
sivanghi all03:32
tsengthom: so far ive been pretty hesitant to make changes to the core ahead of debian03:32
thomtseng: yeah03:32
tsengthom: but they are putting a low priority on it =/03:32
danielstseng: sweet.  i'll give it some testing with hal/tomboy/muine/beagle, and if we're good to go, i'll upload soon03:32
tsengdaniels: sweet03:32
thommeh; you have access to pkg-mono on alioth? i'd just branch in there so they can work and review with you, but this looks like a case where we need to leed03:33
danielstseng: tomboy's fine03:33
Kamionjbailey: yeah03:33
pitti_laptopdaniels: I released xfree8603:33
jbaileyKamion: Cool, thanks.03:34
Kamionjbailey: um - do we need a hotplug change for Array CD 7? like, urgently?03:34
sivangpitti_laptop: hey, still not home network? ;-/03:34
pitti_laptopsivang: no, still in the uni03:34
sivangpitti_laptop: I see03:34
pitti_laptopsivang: this might be so for the next one or two weeks03:34
danielspitti_laptop: awesome, thanks mate03:35
thompitti_laptop: what happened to legendary german efficiency? :-)03:36
jbaileyKamion: It's something like looks a bit like 1440, but is solved differently.  I've had one report of it only, though.03:36
pitti_laptopthom: wrt my network?03:36
jbaileyKamion: I have another sata bug is seems that might be the same thing which definetly won't make array 7.  My best guess is that I wouldn't worry about it for array 7, for this few people I can point them to a nightly.03:37
pitti_laptopthom: the admin went to holidays and nobody has the passwords *gar*03:37
pitti_laptopthom: I hope that he does not do a three-year world tour03:37
Kamionjbailey: ok, good; it'd take a d-i initrd rebuild etc.03:37
thompitti: oops03:38
danielstseng: muine's fine with a rebuild also03:38
tsengdaniels: sweet03:38
pittithom: and I can't even complain; it's not a company, but a club, and they don't guarantee net access03:39
danielsnow for BEAGLE03:39
pittithom: (I don't get DSL here)03:39
ograpitti, hey but you got a lot of fiber in the street ;)03:39
thompitti: oh, right. you have a shared T1 for your appartment complex or something?03:39
pittiogra: yeah, that's the irony03:39
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danielsthom: when I was there for aKademy, a couple of the trains I caught were late.  disappointing. :\03:40
pittithom: in a central place in the city there are 4 DSL wires; access is distributed over the city through directed beams and WLAN03:40
ograthom, when they built up eastern germany they exchanged _everything_ with fiber, even the last mile...so no dsl in e-germany :-P03:40
pittithom: it's called "citizen net"03:40
thomdaniels: heh03:41
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pittithom: yeah, we have the world's most modern telephone net here, but nobody sells you fast connections but the one big monopoly company03:41
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thompitti,ogra: weird, and kinda suckful03:41
pittithom: indeed :-)03:41
ograthom, but telecom is still in the decision process wether its usefull to rip out all the fiber again and put copper in again 03:41
pittiogra: not _really_???#03:42
maswanogra: It's still good if you can do the last 100m with copper though, cat5&co is much nicer for the end switches.03:42
pittithom: well, in 8 months I move house anyway03:42
thompitti: heh, hope you get internet connectivity back before then03:42
pittime too :-)03:42
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ogramaswan, the prob is that there is no copper in the last 100m now ;) and it costs billions to change it back03:43
pittiotherwise I will play Tom Hanks and always hang around at the Uni floor (well, not quite the airport) :-)03:43
tp_is anyone aware of the particularly nasty bug in the current hoary oocalc?03:43
pittitp_: I only know the crash if you delete a line03:44
thomdaniels: on amd64? ;P03:44
tp_it's the change in behaviour so inserting cells moves all the rows down by default03:44
maswanogra: copper is what you put in when you do the building network for ethernet to all apartments.03:45
maswanogra: having fiber to rent between your building and an ISP, that's good. :)03:46
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danielssensational, and I didn't even break g-v-m03:47
lamontKamion: reenabled03:48
lamontwant me to kick them too?03:48
Kamionlamont: nah, no need03:48
tp_instead of overwriting... It was introduced by novell (not ooo) and is fixed in 1.1.3-24 : http://www.oooforum.org/forum/viewtopic.phtml?t=15527 http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4020403:48
danielsKamion: hold on a minute.  when are you rolling a4?03:48
danielser, a703:48
Kamionyesterday's d-i upload is fine for array 703:48
danielsKamion: as in, should I wait to upload dbus and dbus-mono?03:48
Kamiondaniels: er, was kind of hoping that the CD build I did earlier would be enough ...03:48
Kamionbut I haven't confirmed yet03:48
tp_pitti: it could seriously mess with peoples data and they may not notice..03:49
danielsKamion: righto03:49
danielsKamion: let me know when you know and I'll uploa03:49
Kamionok, my mirror is STILL munching on xorg so I don't want to start cdimage downloads yet03:49
pittitp_: please file a bug03:49
Kamionif other people want to test 20050316.1, feel free, that'd be welcome03:49
Kamionmmm, sorry, make that 20050316.203:50
Kamion20050316.1 was the broken one03:50
danielsKamion: heh03:51
danielsKamion: (sorry)03:51
danielsKamion: if it's any consolation in the form of karma, my amd64 just hung03:51
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smurfixKamion: install and/or live?03:53
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danielsKamion: huzzah03:54
Kamionelmo: please update germinate on jackass03:54
Kamionsmurfix: both03:54
thomKamion: yay, time for ubuntu-server-foo seeds ;-)03:54
Kamionthom: I was *slightly* more concerned with fixing germinate on warty, but yeah :)03:55
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sivangpitti: I have a new debdiff at the same location of my pkgs, would you take a look and confirm then I would continue with l10n?03:56
jbaileythom: That reminds me that I should check the wiki bug I filed about it not letting accounts be created.03:56
pittisivang: URL?03:56
jbaileythom: I've got a few people around here really interested in helping with serverteam test installs and such.03:56
smurfixKamion: Will test live as soon as rsync'd -- currently it thinks it has 30k bandwidth and needs 5h, both of which is nonsense03:57
Kamionoh, I need to look at some server issues with initial-passwd-udeb, yeah03:57
Kamionsmurfix: rsync often lies03:57
Kamiontemporarily, at least03:57
smurfixKamion: I know, but knowing that doesn't speed it up ;-)03:58
tp_pitti: there has been a bug report since 20th feb? (5679 ) the report seems to suggest the possibility that it's not really a problem unless it affects oo2. The bug is fixed in ooo-build (1.1.3-4 I beleive - it was an upstream build problem) I was wondering if a new oo1.1.3 is being released soon. I will add a bug report though. Thanks for the response03:59
thomjbailey: awesome04:00
thomKamion: he04:00
pittihaggai: ^ tp_, any idea?04:00
jbaileythom: Nope, wiki bug is still there, so I'll be adding things on their behalf for now I guess.  No biggy.04:01
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pittiseb128: gnome-session-remove nautilus does not help to stop g-vfs-daemon from respawning04:05
pittiseb128: and g-s-r gnome-vfs-daemon hangs04:05
sivangpitti: http://muse.19inch.net/~sivan/g-c-m/sivan-gcm-crack.diff04:07
sivangpitti: sorry, it's not refreshed. I don't get it, refreshing 04:08
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sivangpitti: ok, refreshed04:12
sivangpitti: the same URL04:12
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pittisivang: up to the inconsistent indentation in browsing_set(), it looks fine04:14
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sivangpitti: you want me to correct it?04:15
pittisivang: it's only a nitpick04:15
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sivangpitti: ok, I will fix those as well as adding l10n04:18
lamont200KB/sec.  not shabby for a 32kbyte/sec throttled rsync of an iso.04:20
lamont(neighbor imposed a 256kbps limit, you see... :)04:20
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mvoKamion: when today will array-7 be build? I have some medium well tested uploads ready and would like to wait for after that with them :)04:37
Kamionmvo: I can't quite say yet04:37
Kamionit may have already been built, but I haven't tested those images ...04:37
Kamionand I heard a rumour in a bug that they were still broken04:37
mvoKamion: will it help if I download and test? 04:38
Kamionmvo: yes please04:39
mvo0316.2 is the current one?04:39
mvook, downloading04:40
jancstupid question: why must the version number of xfonts-* and other data(?) packages like that go up together with those of xorg (or whatever package they are needed for)?04:43
mvoI learned today that I can't burn a dvd image to a dvd-ram with nautilus or k3b ... bugger. I guess I need to get a dvd-rw for that04:43
mvo(the hoary-dvd image of course :)04:43
Kamionjanc: because we don't have modular X yet04:43
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Kamionjanc: they're all built from the same source package so they all get rebuilt04:43
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danielsjanc: because the build system, which wasn't even a great idea in 1986, continues on to this day and has been extended and hacked into some several-hundred-megabyte horror show that everyone hates04:45
danielsjanc: (trust me, I'm not excited about the hour-long rebuilds every time I typo something)04:45
jancand it's not easy for an automated build proces to check if they changed I guess...  :)04:45
Kamionjanc: it's not that, they MUST be in separate source packages if their version numbers are not to increase04:45
fabbionerobtaylor_: pong04:45
Kamionjanc: so the build system HAS to be split out in order for that to work04:46
zulhey fabbione 04:46
jancI was more thinking about the users: not everybody likes to downloads all those megabytes for no good reason  :-)04:46
danielswhich involves groundbreaking amounts of work04:46
danielsjanc: oh, I know04:46
Kamionjanc: we know that, but you asked why, and we told you :)04:46
danielsjanc: i have to copy the huge debs around, watch the huge builds go past, upload the huge source (new upstream version takes about 45min to upload), and then download the new debs for 4 architectures every time I roll a new version04:46
ccdaniels: still didn't get your DSL sorted out ?04:47
danielsjanc: it took around six months to just split out the build system for the server, and even then there were some pretty big gaps in the coverage there; it's a huge task, unfortunately.04:47
danielscc: i've got dsl at home now, but 50mb tarballs aren't generous to any uplink04:47
jancyeah, I read something about splitting Xorg before, didn't know how bad/difficult it was though...04:48
danielsincredibly difficult, but not at all bad04:48
danielssomething I've personally been pushing for for over a year now04:48
ccdaniels: agreed. do xdeltas help?04:49
danielscc: not hugely; since the whole thing gets repacked, it tends to screw everything to hell04:49
Kamioncc: the filenames change, which generally makes that sort of thing hard, too04:49
danielscc: (plus, the diff between 6.8.1 and 6.8.2 was >130,000 lines)04:49
tp_pitti: thanks... bug comment posted04:50
ccgah. 04:50
Kamiontp_: he's gone04:50
sivangKamion: did he say when he is coming back?04:53
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lamontdaniels: and to think that the third number is supposed to indicate bug-fix level..... 04:55
Kamionsivang: 15:32 -!- pitti [~pitti@]  has quit ["Have a nice day"] 04:57
Kamionsivang: in other words I have no idea04:57
lamontsivang: I would expect at least 3-4 hours, given a comment elsewhere04:57
robtaylor_fabbione: i've been having some weird ipv6-realated issues on my hoary system recently04:58
sivangKamion: ok, thanks04:59
robtaylor_fabbione: when a gethostbyname occurs, 1st a ipv6 dns query is sent out, and then when this fails, it waits up to 30 seconds before continuing with an ipv4 request04:59
danielslamont: i think you underestimate the amount of bug fixing that went on04:59
robtaylor_fabbione: this started occuring for me around the middle of last week. any ideas what could cause this?05:00
lamontdaniels: no.  I just fear its prior state...05:01
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fabbionerobtailor_: bad dns servers. the RFC is clear and your machine is doing the right thing05:05
danielsrobtaylor_: welcome to my life. :)05:05
danielslamont: ^^05:05
sivangseb128: ping, how should I add my changes for a po file of a package? (g-c-m) 1)cdbs-edit-path my-code-patch; in /po make update-po; exit 0 ;==> added to the code patch or 2)diff -u orig.he.po new.he.po ?05:07
lamontdaniels: and I'm more glad than ever that you're on it.05:07
sivangseb128: doing (1) has bloated my debdiff as it appears that the whole po files has changed.05:07
seb128sivang: diff -u po/file.org po/file is fine05:07
sivangseb128: and drop that in debian/patches right?05:08
danielslamont: should I take that as a compliment ('I'm glad it's you that's handling it, because you're awesome'), or as a put-down ('I'm glad that it's you that's stuck in this nightmare')? :)05:08
lamontdaniels: both. :-P05:08
seb128sivang: correct05:09
lamontglad someone capable is on top of it, also glad it's not me...05:09
Kamionurgh, apt-setup behaviour on netboot is really not fun05:09
robtaylor_fabbione: eh?05:09
robtaylor_fabbione: what should the dns servers do?05:09
lamontrobtaylor_: it sounds like the DNS server is dropping the request, rather than replying with an error??05:10
robtaylor_reply to the ipv6 request with an ipv4 reply?05:10
robtaylor_no it returns back a 'i didn't understand that  query'05:10
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robtaylor_fabbione: http://pastebin.ca/751905:11
robtaylor_(trimmed ethereal log)05:11
danielsKamion: ok, I'm rsyncing the CD now (0316.2) to do a test install on amd64, but can't do one on my laptop right now, sorry05:11
Kamionsure, np, I'm starting my test cycles now05:12
danielsyour mirror spankage stopped?05:12
Kamiongave up and ctrl-ced it05:12
jbaileythom: ping?05:12
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Kamionit'll catch up overnight05:13
daniels(the point I'm working from, though, is a rather old jigdo I did, so it may take a fair while)05:13
thomjbailey: ack05:13
jbaileythom: Found a slight logic bug.  Do you have a sec to test a new hotplug iteration?  Sending me the output from a hotplug restart will be all I need.05:15
thomjbailey: same place as last time?05:16
jbaileythom: Not yet, just tossing it up.  (It's a new rev)05:17
jbaileythom: http://people.ubuntu.com/~jbailey/hotplug_0.0.20040329-16ubuntu17_all.deb05:18
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jordimvo: ping05:21
jordimvo: I'm doing a new package. :)05:21
jordihmm. only savannah seems broke.05:23
thomjordi: nano makes the universe cry05:23
jordithom: yeah baby05:24
sivangseb128: regarding my last question, I think I have misexpressed myself, other the the changes to he.po file, all the other po files changed due to my new strings in g-c-m, how do I prepare this to be patched?05:25
jordiGNU nano 1.2.0 released!05:25
jordi     posted by jordi, Thu 02/20/2003 at 05:15 - 0 replies05:25
seb128sivang: ?05:25
jordiit's been a while since the last stable release.05:25
jordithis sucks05:25
seb128sivang: you have a patch for the code changes and you "diff -u po/.. po/... > debian/patches/nn_po.patch"05:26
seb128that's all05:26
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mvojordi: cool!05:26
mvojordi: that was quick :)05:26
mvojordi: ping me when there is something to download05:26
sivangseb128: ok cool, I was missing that, so I diff the whole po directory, also, what does "nn" stand for? (in nn_po.patch)05:26
lamontjordi: if it's not being maintained, should we just drop it. :-)05:27
seb128sivang: a number05:27
sivangseb128: what does it represent?05:27
seb128you can order the patches by number05:27
seb128just follow what the package is doing05:27
sivangseb128: ah ok, so the patch would be applied last05:28
sivangseb128: thanks!05:28
jordilamont: it is maintained05:29
robtaylor_fabbione: if that is non-rfc complient, a) could you give me more info i can go to psinet and tell them, and b) psi net is a very major provider, so this'll hit a lot of other people, and from the reply its obvious to tell that the dnsserver doesnt support AAAA requests.05:29
jordilamont: it is taking a while to complete 1.4.0 though.05:29
jordilamont: there have been 1.2.x releases since then05:29
jordilamont: but 1.4.0 is nearly there.05:29
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lamontjordi: sorry - just pulling your leg05:30
jordioh, heh.05:30
jordieveryone wants to kill nano05:30
lamontjordi: only because it's now preferred over vim for $EDITOR05:30
lamontand yeah, I _understand_ why.05:30
ograyeah, thats annoying05:30
lamontand even agree with it.05:30
lamontI just don't like it05:30
jordiI know it annoys people. :)05:30
jordilamont: yeah... I guess that's going to be an amusing hoary feature :)05:31
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jbaileyjordi: Is it true that nano 1.4 is taking so long to come out because of the elisp interpretor? 05:33
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jordijbailey: nah, it's actually the rewrite to be an emacs component05:34
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thomjordi: aww, not a bonobo component?05:34
jdubDUDES! WHOA!05:34
jordithom: not in the middle of the debonobisation of half of GNOME. :)05:35
thomjordi: poor excuse05:35
jorditoo bad that being around Canonical people makes stuff like that not a secret at all :)05:35
jordithom: I know it'd be cool to embed nano in nautilus.05:36
jordiwait, nautilus doesn't do bonobo05:36
ograhuh :-O05:36
jordithom: OMG, the gnome-nano-applet.05:36
jordiThat would rock.05:36
kylemyou guys get extra points for being more perplexing than debian.05:38
kylemat least your announcements are better.05:38
jordijdub: this post is... weird. And you know. :)05:38
lamontjdub: woot05:38
Mithrandirdaniels: uhm, when X goes in a loop trying to access /dev/dri, is there a nice solution?  AMD64, Radeon 9200 card.05:39
jdubkylem: ;)05:39
ograMithrandir, buying a nvidia ?05:39
lamontMithrandir: remove the card from the machine, bring it to UDU, and beat the living &*%^)&% out of daniels with it?05:39
lamontthen buy nvidia. :-)05:39
Mithrandirlamont: that's a possibility.  I do want to use it until then, though.05:40
Mithrandirand I don't care about 3d, so it's not an issue05:40
lamontjdub: how much caffine was involved in writing that announcement?05:40
Mithrandirhm, turning off dri seems to fix the problem05:40
lamontMithrandir: and I assume all of the solutions begin with "kill X" :(05:41
jdublamont: you are wise beyond your years.05:41
lamontjdub: and that's saying something, to listen to daniels talk.... :)05:41
Mithrandirlamont: that's not a problem, I'm just setting this system up.05:41
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trukulojoder la de cambios que hay en el upgrade05:42
ograhmm, does anyone else see evo collapsing all the threads all the time recently ? 05:42
=== lamont always preferred "wise behind your ears"
trukuloups, sorry, i mean05:42
trukulowhat a lot of problems in aptitude upgrade05:42
trukuloi need to sleep :P05:42
trukuloit's asking me about everything , it's the same for final? or only in devel stages?05:43
lamontKamion: so does hoary-live-powerpc have MacOS versions of the openCD?05:43
danielsholy god, I would just like to say that LVM and XFS kick arse05:43
mvoping Mitario 05:43
=== daniels just added another 30GB from another drive on the fly.
danielsMithrandir: goes into a loop?  startup?05:43
Mitariomvo, pong05:44
Mithrandirdaniels: yes.05:44
Kamionlamont: nope05:44
Mitariomvo, ok read the e-mail05:44
lamontKamion: oh right, MacOS already has those. :-)05:44
Kamionlamont: Henrik said they'd thought about it but it would be a hell of a lot of work05:45
Kamiontrukulo: I doubt anyone will be able to answer that without details, bug reports, whatever05:45
Mithrandirdaniels: as in, SIGALRM, trying to access fd open to /dev/dri/card0 and gets:05:45
Mithrandirioctl(7, 0xc0406429, 0x7fbffff110)      = -1 EBUSY (Device or resource busy)05:45
danielsMithrandir: bonnng05:45
Mithrandirdaniels: up-to-date hoary.05:46
danielsMithrandir: let me see if I can reproduce05:46
danielsMithrandir: you're not running another X server or something, are you?05:46
Mithrandirdaniels: no, nothing like that.  Standard LCD display with DVI cabling, ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 PRO]  (rev 01) card.05:47
Mithrandirsweet machine, XP4000+ and 2G RAM.05:47
danielsdude, if it was truly a sweet machine, it would be pcie and amd64 :)05:47
MithrandirI felt I pushed hard enough at my uni budget when I got this machine.  I don't need the pcie performance05:48
=== jdub is sorely tempted to get an amd64
Mithrandir(and I'm only keeping it until summer anyhow, since I'm finished then)05:48
Mithrandirjdub: amd64 is good.05:48
danielsamd64 is love05:48
Keybukjdub: me also05:48
trukuloKamion, there's no bug, i only have to re-configure cups, locales, hotplug, debconf, etc, etc... a very long list05:48
jdubthey're just... so... fast...05:48
=== lamont has 'amd64' on his shopping list
trukuloalso man, alsa, serial...05:48
jordihttp://people.debian.org/~jordi/nano_1.3.5-cvs.20050316-0_i386.deb, the nano package EVERYONE was waiting for.05:49
trukuloi only say it's very difficult for joe-user05:49
Keybukjdub: but will you call it "galactica" ? :p05:49
jordimvo: this means you. :)05:49
lamontit just keeps getting bumped down by more urgent things.  like working dvd burners05:49
jdubKeybuk: i might call it cockfosters :)05:49
Mithrandirlamont: dvd burners are cheap, though.05:49
danielsi need to get myself a cheap, crappy i386 motherboard05:49
lamontMithrandir: yeah05:49
Mithrandirthom: got a pile of them at $otherwork. :)05:49
danielsi have a hojillion agp cards, but no machine to put them in05:49
Mithrandirthom: they're sweet05:49
lamontdaniels: I can bring you a cheap, broken one...05:49
danielswhich means that the only ati cards i have access to are mach64s, an x300 se, and an x850 xt pe05:50
mvojordi: I'm everyone? even in CAPTIALS? cool :)05:50
thomMithrandir: goddam. wanna send me one? no-one in the uk can get em, apparently05:50
trukuloi mean, he's asking me everything again, even more than if i install it from new05:50
danielsand the only nvidia card i have access to is a riva128 (and a few geforce pcis)05:50
jordilook, mvo05:50
Mithrandirthom: they cost half a fortune, iirc.05:50
jordiyou're evil umlauts05:50
lamontMithrandir: dvd burner raided the piggy bank that the amd64 had...05:50
danielsthom: the a8n-sli deluxe is very nice, also05:50
Mithrandirlamont: poor piggy bank.05:50
mvojordi: ahhh ... looks _much_ better now :)05:50
thomdaniels: does that do dual opteron?05:50
lamontyeah.  I went with the $99 cyberhome unit, instead of the equivalent $199 Sony unit.05:51
danielsthom: two gigeth, most everything supported, two pcie x16, two pcie x1, 8 sata plugs, dual-channel ddr400, all the oog stuff.  and cheap.05:51
trukuloeven he's asking me about mozilla jprefs ...05:51
Keybukmy opteron is going to have to wait until after .au and probably guadec too :-/05:51
danielsthom: no, it doesn't do dual opteron.  you bastard.  shut up.05:51
Mithrandirlamont: expensive stuff -- my dvd burner was about 60EUR05:51
jordimvo: if you want to advertise the deb here and there and no big regressions are found, I can try to get 1.3.6 out the door and make a diff/dsc that can be sponsored to hoary05:51
thomdaniels: don't waste my team, weakling :-)05:51
thomuh, time05:51
lamontMithrandir: sounds about right, given the conversion rate... that and I bought mine retail, rather than actually shopping online05:51
thomman my typing blows today05:51
jordimvo: that probably includes testing the udeb too05:52
danielsthom: i was about to say, your team is constantly getting wasted05:52
danielsthom: that 'rugby' thing (both forms), darts, cricket, soccer, whatever :)05:52
Mithrandirthom: actually, I think the ones we have are the K8Q or K8S or something.05:52
thomMithrandir: yeah, i wasnt smp board with pci-e05:53
kylemdaniels, wow. that is a sexy board.05:53
Mithrandirthom: the only place in .no having the 8WE has -2 in stock. :)05:53
mvojordi: it's a release manangers descision, but I'll talk to them (hey jdub :) 05:53
thom-2? rock05:53
jordimvo: you have an ally in Kamion. :)05:53
Mithrandirthom: SLI plus dual, that's nice.05:53
danielskylem: the -sli is what I have (although I only run one PCIE card, but I like it better than two 6800 Ultras :))05:53
danielsMithrandir: bah SLI05:53
trukulowtf? upgrade is asking me for root password ???05:53
jordiit's even curious to see this crack in a nano buffer.05:53
Mithrandirshame the opteron doesn't do throttling.05:53
jordiok. the final test.05:54
kylemdaniels, have i mentioned i hate you? :-)05:54
thomit won't be as l33t as voodoo2 SLI05:54
Mithrandirdaniels: it has nice stuff such as SATA2 and dual U320 SCSI too.05:54
mvojordi: you sure? even with this additional dependency :) ?05:54
Mithrandirthom: what's the prices people are claiming on it?05:54
kylemdaniels, i don't even have working graphics on my toys.05:54
jordiif nano can save a KHOMUT THAI CHARACTER...05:54
jordiit is GOLD05:54
thomMithrandir: the WE? I can't find any one in the uk that has one :/05:54
Mithrandirthom: so they don't put up a price even?05:55
jordioh dude it works05:55
jordimvo: does the ubuntu base system not include ncursesw already?05:55
danielskylem: heh05:55
Mithrandirdaniels: got any ideas for my problem?05:55
danielsMithrandir: mmm, that's pretty rad05:55
danielsMithrandir: not really, but I'll check the code out05:56
trukuloKamion, it seems aptitude upgrade is executing again configuration install of Ubuntu, more detailed even05:56
danielsMithrandir: the only reason I got the -SLI wasbecause it was the only PCIE board I could buy at the time05:56
jordimvo: can you check that in a minute?05:56
mvojordi: it's not listed explicit in the base-seed, but if it becomes a dependency of nano it will be automatically added AFAIK05:58
Mithrandiruhm, X seems to have become a kernel thread.  Or something.05:58
Mithrandirroot@bowah:/etc/X11# ps xa | grep Xorg05:58
Mithrandir11137 ?        R     12:27 [Xorg] 05:58
jordimvo: nod05:58
danielsMithrandir: kernel problem!  fabio's fault!05:59
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=== Keybuk wonders whether to blame kernel-team, thom or mjg59
Keybukbut for some reason, recent kernels break thermal zone polling06:00
MithrandirKeybuk: what about gtk?06:00
Keybukno, iz not gtk bug06:00
mjg59Agh cocking christ06:01
mjg59Keybuk: Got time to build a test kernel?06:01
thomKeybuk: i think you've found your culprit :-)06:01
mjg59Let me find you a patch06:01
mjg59(No promises, but it's supposed to fix some ec bugs related to thermal issues)06:01
trukuloKamion, u there? aptitude upgrade is doing debian install process entirely for me06:03
mjg59Keybuk: Any messages like acpi_ec_space_handler: bit_width should be 8 appearing?06:06
Keybukmjg59: nothing in dmesg or syslog06:07
mjg59Ok, two patches then:06:07
Keybukit reports the right temp, and right trip points06:07
Keybukbut doesn't appear to be inclined to turn any fans off06:07
mjg59Just try that one, then06:08
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Keybukmjg59: doesn't apply cleanly to linux-source-2.6.9-2806:09
fabbionemjg59: that patch is scary and smells of abi change06:09
daniels2.6.9? wtf?06:10
Keybukah, yes06:10
fabbioneKeybuk: did you run ./debian/rules monolith?06:10
Keybukclearly I am in the wrong directory06:10
danielssigh, still 2h to go on my CD's rsync06:10
danielsobviously my original image was well, well adrift of current standards06:11
danielsi might pass out for a couple of hours while it downloads06:11
danielsmmm, yes06:11
mjg59fabbione: Yes, that's likely to be true06:11
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fabbionewhat is supposed to fix?06:15
fabbione-spin_lock_irqsave(&ec->lock, flags);06:15
ogramorning mdz06:15
fabbionemorning md06:15
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mvomorning mdz06:15
mdzKamion: what is mkvmlinuz?06:16
robtaylor_fabbione: i've done a lot more debugging now, and i get exactly the same DNS repsonses from a number of DNS servers (incluin University of cambridge, from within the universities network) talking though various types of nat06:16
robtaylor_what gives?06:16
Keybukmjg59: hmm, that outright doesn't apply to 2.6.10 at all06:17
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Keybuk3 out of 23 hunks FAILED and stuff06:17
mjg59Keybuk: Our 2.6.10, or plain upstream?06:17
mjg59They both have different ACPI code06:17
fabbioneKeybuk: did you run ./debian/rules monolith ?06:17
Keybukfabbione: no?  what does that do?06:17
KeybukI don't have a debian/rules ?06:17
fabbioneperhaps apply all our neat acpi patches?06:18
fabbioneKeybuk: what source are you using?06:18
fabbionefrom apt-get source or apt-get install?06:18
mjg59Yeah, then our patches are already applied06:18
fabbionethe 2 differs ... a lot06:18
fabbioneas mjg59 sais06:18
fabbionewell you only one option06:19
fabbionefix the rejects :-)06:19
Keybukwell, one of them looks like the same patch on both sides06:20
Kamiontrukulo: I'm sorry, I'm too busy to look at this right now06:21
trukuloKamion, ok, i just inform06:21
Kamionmdz: a script that glues kernel and initrd together for some powerpc subarches06:21
Kamionmdz: but not so important as I first thought, since it now isn't needed for Pegasos support06:21
Kamionhmm. German installations remove mozilla-firefox etc. while installing language-support-de06:22
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Kamionpitti: 17:22 < Kamion> hmm. German installations remove mozilla-firefox etc. while installing language-support-de06:22
pittiKamion: this is due to ffox 1.0.1, I also noticed it06:23
KamionI suspect this applies to a bunch of locales06:23
pittiKamion: I have to upgrade the dependencies06:23
pittiof all locale packages, yes06:23
Kamionhow soon can this be fixed? not to rush you or anything, but I think it probably ought to block Array 706:23
pittiugh, actually I'm in quite a hurry (dance school ball this evening)06:24
sabdflmdz: how's it looking today, sans oo.o2?06:24
sabdflhi all06:24
pittiKamion: but it shouldn't take too long, I try to do it now06:24
pittiHi sabdfl 06:24
Kamionpitti: either that or tell me what to do if it's trivial, I guess06:24
pittiConflicts: mozilla-firefox (<< 0.99+1.0RC1-3), mozilla-firefox (>= 1.0.0)06:25
pittiI guess I change this to06:25
mdzsabdfl: I just opened my eyes, dunno yet06:25
pitti>= 1.106:25
mdzKamion: I rolled a new set of CDs last night with the new xorg, but couldn't wait around for them.  how did they turn out?06:26
ograelmo ooo06:26
Kamionmdz: today's seem ok06:26
Kamionbut I haven't really checked xorg in any detail06:26
mdzanything on the todo list for array 7?06:27
Kamionsee above06:27
mdzshould probably do new livefs images with the new ubuntu-desktop if I missed the daily build06:27
mdzto incorporate hwdb-client06:28
thompitti: yeah06:28
danielsKamion: i'll check out xorg on amd64, but that was a pretty low-damage upload06:28
ogramdz: Rejected: hwdb-client_0.5-0ubuntu1_source.changes: upload is signed by 0x13A0E64FD1ED4E737046DFBD4AC393FBA2D06936 but is not in the Maintainer keyring.06:28
danielsKamion: i'll be staggered if it broke anything.  which, of course, means that it won't work for anyone.06:28
Kamioncjwatson@little:~/cdimage/www/full/daily-live/current$ grep hwdb-client *.manifest06:28
KamionI'll do a new live build06:28
pittiKamion: oh, it's not the -all package, this is correct06:28
mdzogra: I couldn't wait any longer on moving it into main; it should be no problem for your uploads to be sponsored until elmo can process your key06:29
robtaylor_fabbione: well i've found the issue. detailed here: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=140528. you should probably apply this patch :https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=107533 to bind9 06:29
Kamionargh, why does /var/log/installer/messages start with 'UTC=yes' instead of actual useful stuff06:29
Mithrandirogra: what do you need sponsored?06:29
danielsmdz: fwiw -- xorg, dbus and dbus-mono are all good to go, just waiting on array 7 so I don't inadvertently break that06:29
robtaylor_i'll test it at home tonight06:30
Micksaif anyone cares06:30
MicksaI can't change my mouse sensitivity or acceleration06:30
Micksaneither through gnome or with "xset m"06:30
fabbionerobtaylor: i really don't understand why you keep pushing me these patches... i don't maintain bind06:30
pittiKamion: fixed06:30
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fabbioneand as i just told you before it is a dns server problem06:30
Kamionpitti: cool, thanks06:30
pittiKamion: the m-f-locale-de package, that is (which has still its own source package)06:30
robtaylor_fabbione: no its not!06:31
Kamionpitti: is that the only one left?06:31
robtaylor_fabbione: as i've said to you06:31
robtaylor_fabbione: so bind patch-> who?06:31
fabbionerobertj: Component: bind06:31
robtaylor_debian maint? i dunno how the ubuntu freeze works06:31
fabbionerobertj: debian maint = lamont = ubuntu maint06:32
pittiKamion: I check06:32
robtaylor_fabbione: ah, didn't notice your reply as i'm not robertj ;)06:32
robtaylor_fabbione: and i'm talking to you cos lamont pointed me in your direction for this issue06:33
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fabbionerobtailor_: ah k06:36
dholbachjdub: your annouce mail ROCKs :-)06:41
=== tseng agrees.
=== jdub is very excited about breezy badger
ograso if someone would do me the favour to upload and sign hwdb-client to main: http://www.grawert.net/hwdb/06:41
jdubit's going to be so good06:41
thommjg59: ok, so p4-clockmod is damnably awful, but for those poor folks on p4 laptops, it's better that nothing, i think. is there a better solution, or should we just turn it on if we're on a laptop?06:41
ograjdub, sounded like that06:42
jdubit will MELT MY FACE06:42
tsengare sponsorships for UDU already finalized?06:42
ograhavent heard anything yet06:42
danielsjdub: USPLASH06:43
danielsjdub: and FULL SICK X RECONFIGURATION06:43
ograneither positive nor negative06:43
danielsjdub: (seriously, can we please call it that, a la MPS and TRLS?)06:43
ogradaniels, you sound like someone from the GDR, they used to live in abbreviations there :)06:44
danielsogra: it's all jeff's fault, always06:44
Kamionmonty python support?06:44
thommad phat startup06:44
Kamionoh yes06:44
danielsKamion: mad phat startup, foo'06:44
ograjdub, xss patch before the weekend i think06:44
jdubdaniels: full sick? hrm.06:45
mvoKamion: first step of the install looks good so far, second step is now running06:45
jdubogra: tops, thanks06:45
mjg59thom: Grah. If they're p4-ms, they should support speedstep.06:45
thomthey ain't, we have people claiming to be P4s06:45
thomhttps://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/attachment.cgi?id=1661 is a laptop06:45
danielsjdub: FULSIK like a VL CALAIS TURBO06:45
mjg59People with laptops that have desktop P4s in deserve to catch fire06:46
mjg59NOTABUG: buy something better next time06:46
jdubflaming plastic intel carnage!06:46
kylemmjg59, *hug*06:46
thommjg59: well, yes06:46
mjg59But, uh.06:47
mjg59People were complaining massively about the performance hit.06:47
mjg59So we're screwed either way.06:47
=== ogra hugs his amd64 laptop....that slowly burns his right thigh
mjg59Maybe enable it for laptops, yeah.06:48
thomi think i'll do that now and see what people think06:48
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thomthanks to the wizadry and bling of laptop-detect, it's easy06:48
danielsogra: my HP was really cool.  left thigh burns (i got minor burn marks on one pair of shorts), right thigh freezes due to stupid fan placement06:48
danielsthom: l-d isn't bling06:48
danielsthom: it's rather understated06:48
jdubneeds some figlet lovin'06:49
ogradaniels, yeh, iv seen such things :)06:49
danielsthom: i mean, you could pop up a window that draws a huge 'LAPTOP' thingy with cairo and then composites that so everything below it is still visible06:49
danielspreferably in gold, with diamond edges06:49
jdub ___ _  _  __   _____  _   _      _   ___ _ 06:49
jdub|_ _| \| | \ \ / / _ \( ) | |    /_\ | _ \ |06:49
jdub | || .` |  \ V / (_) |/  | |__ / _ \|  _/_|06:49
jdub|___|_|\_|   |_| \___/    |____/_/ \_\_| (_)06:49
thomdaniels: that would indeed be bling06:49
danielsjdub: maybe a massive fist with a LAPTOP multi-finger gold/diamond ring06:50
danielsjdub: with CAIRO and COMPOSITE ... maybe it could also somehow integrate support for DBUS06:50
danielsjdub: that would be the most bling shit ever06:50
pittiKamion: I corrected nb, the others are fine06:50
=== mjg59 wonders what the ss flag in the Intel cpu flags is
Treenaksmjg59: "Maded in Germany"06:50
jdubmjg59: secret squirrel06:51
dholbachTreenaks: you're mean06:51
ograTreenaks, got your harsh week ?06:51
Treenaksogra: yeah, sorry :)06:51
thommjg59: i was wondering if it's speedstep, but given that we try and load smi and acpi and neither of them apparently work, it might as well be supersekret06:51
Treenaksogra: I have that every once in a while06:51
ograTreenaks, its ok, we live with the original sin06:52
mjg59thom: for p4, it would be speedstep_centrino06:52
mjg59(If it is actually speedstep)06:52
mjg59On the other hand, it appears on systems that almost certainly don't have speedstep06:53
mjg59Ah, ss is CPU self snoop06:53
Treenaksmjg59: maybe it DOES support some speedstep stuff, but only at one speed?06:53
thomoh well06:53
thomTreenaks: that would be classic intel. "YES WE HAVE SPEED STEP LOVE. YOU CAN CHANGE SPEED... TO THE SAME SPEED YOU WERE AT BEFORE!"06:54
Treenaksthom: hey, my laptop has that..06:54
Treenaksthom: first-generation speed-locked speedstep!06:54
mjg59Treenaks: Usually means that it doesn't have speedstep06:55
mjg59The smi driver finds it hard to tell06:55
Treenaksmjg59: it was labeled "With Speedstep!" on  the box, but even Windows can't switch :)06:56
mjg59Incidentally, we really do have totally rad laptop support06:56
Treenaksmjg59: I can switch to another ACPI power mode and make it slow that way though06:56
mjg59Ha. Wrong box. Or broken hardware.06:56
lamontfabbione == ipv6 god06:56
mjg59P state or T state?06:56
mjg59Yeah, that doesn't reduce the voltage06:56
lamonthrm.. either my monitor or my eyes have convergence isuses06:57
Treenakslamont: or both06:57
Kamionurgh, I think the powerpc CD may have overflowed06:57
ograso could someone sign and upload my package, so Kamion can start the CD build ?06:57
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KamionI should keep log.list2cds around somewhere slightly more obvious06:58
dholbachand ogra could finally go to bed, after how many hours?06:58
ogra30 ?06:58
dholbachthat's what i thought :-(06:58
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ograhavent counted...06:59
Mithrandirogra: URL?06:59
danielsKamion: over 650MB?06:59
Kamiondaniels: think so, running a debug build now06:59
Mithrandirogra: should I now go into sadistic mode and pick on everything? ;)06:59
danielsKamion: and, just to be sure, 20050316.2 *does* have xorg 6.8.2-4, yeah?06:59
KamionI should also make cdimage SCREAM when that happens; like, refuse to output the powerpc CD06:59
ograMithrandir, argh :)06:59
danielsKamion, figlet.  figlet, Kamion.07:00
Kamiondaniels: .list files, dude :)07:00
Mithrandirogra: I'll be gentle07:00
Kamioncjwatson@little:~/cdimage/www/full/daily/20050316.2$ grep xserver-xorg *.list07:00
ograMithrandir, thanks...anoter beer....(hopefully they have that much where we meet next time)07:00
danielsKamion: woah, handy07:00
KamionCD 1 filled with 603297516 bytes ... (limit was 603979776)07:00
KamionCD 2 will only be filled with 6725948 bytes ...07:00
Kamionthat limit is so wrong07:01
KamionINFO: Reserving 30 MB on CD 1 for boot files.  SIZELIMIT=629145600.07:01
Kamion  INFO: Reserving 4% of the CD for extra metadata07:01
Kamion  INFO: SIZELIMIT now 603979776.07:01
daniels'extra metadata'?07:01
KamionISO9660/HFS garbage07:01
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Kamionthe output CD is 620MB07:02
Mithrandirogra: from the README: It's "binaries", not binarys.07:02
Kamioni.e. 65061888007:02
Mithrandirogra: and "corresponding"; double r.07:02
Kamionso it does lose quite a bit of space, but not quite that much07:02
ograMithrandir, ok, in the next upload :)07:03
dholbachMithrandir: just change it, sign it and "give tha poo' man a break" :-)07:03
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Mithrandirogra: it's minor stuff, I can sign and upload with that unchanged.07:03
ograMithrandir, thanks :)07:03
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danielsARGH ZWIKI07:04
Mithrandirogra: the copyright year in the hwdb-gui.sgml is 200307:05
ograMithrandir, long planning phase :)07:06
Mithrandirogra :)07:06
Mithrandirogra: you have a needless configure-stamp in the rules file07:06
dholbacha round of applause for ogra, he doesnt even loose his humour after 30h awake and hacking :-)07:07
Mithrandirogra: if you fix those remarks for the next upload, I'm happy.  Good work, considering you must be totally drawn out.07:07
mxpxpoddoes anyone here use gnome-cups-icon?07:07
Treenaksogra: 30h?? omg!07:07
danielsoh, I need to be hitting w.ul.o instead of w.u.c to edit the wiki.  even though it happily tells me that I'm now logged in.  when I'm not.07:07
ograMithrandir, i will do :)07:08
Kamiondaniels: go plone07:11
Treenaks*cough*python*cough* ;)07:11
danielsKamion: this one isn't actually plone's fault, it's zwiki braindamage07:12
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tsengdaniels: so were you planning to reupload muine/tomboy w/ no changes, or should i be watching for dbus to go up?07:15
danielstseng: if you want to do it, that would be great.  my plan is to watch array 7 go out, kick xorg+dbus+dbus-mono uploads, then sleep.07:16
danielsKamion: 3min left on hoary-install-amd64.iso07:16
tsengok ill watch it daniels07:17
danielsthanks dude07:17
danielsi'll ping you on irc when i upload it anyway07:17
danielsso yeah, with .4 we should be good for beagle with hoary07:17
tsengok cool.07:17
danielsworship the crack07:17
Keybuk...neat... my laptop hasn't hardly touched the hard-drive compiling this kernel07:18
tseng<3 crack07:18
Keybukyay for 750MB of page-cache07:18
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danielsyou can do it!07:19
danielshuzzah!  2:12:21 isn't too bad.07:20
fabbionedaniels: is the last X upload borked?07:22
danielsfabbione: err?07:22
fabbione<@bubba-> fabbione: i just updated again, and X is not working now07:22
danielsworked for me.  usual log+config thing applies07:23
fabbionedaniels: yes already asking....07:23
danielsthanks mate07:23
mjg59thom: Did you have a chance to look at gdm-signal ?07:25
fabbionedaniels: never mind... usual vmware crap07:27
danielsfabbione: hooray07:27
Mithrandirogra: sorry it took a while; uploaded now.07:33
Keybukmjg59: that patch seems to fix it07:34
danielsmdz: you've got some phat debugging info on DebuggingXAutoconfiguration now07:36
Keybukthough it also makes hald bitch about "the kernel doesn't support capabilities"07:36
mjg59Keybuk: It does? And it does?07:38
mjg59Could you possibly stick a rediffed version somewhere?07:38
mjg59(And what the christ is hald on?)07:38
danielsoh, frig07:39
danielsKamion: sorry, my partition table is pretty screwed, and I don't have the inclination to fix it at 0540, to be honest07:40
danielsKamion: (largely because doing so would almost certainly lead to data loss.)07:40
Kamionnp, as you know I have to build another version anyway ...07:40
Kamionhow screwed?07:40
danielsscrewed as in fdisk reports partition 5 being swap, but sda6 is mounted as swap, and there's another plain linux partition in there (10gb) that doesn't seem to be there any more07:41
danielsthe sort of thing I'm not too keen on attempting to sort out right now ;)07:41
Kamionhm, scary07:41
danielsit works for now07:41
danielsi daren't touch it07:42
Keybukmjg59: I don't make any claims from having resolved the conflicts properly07:42
danielsKamion: how long do you think it'll be till a7, roughly? (no pressure or anything, just trying to work out what I should do right now)07:42
Kamiondaniels: at the moment I'm doing ARE WE NEARLY THERE YET on mozilla-firefox-locale-{de,nb} binaries07:44
danielsKamion: heh :)07:44
mjg59Keybuk: Thanks07:44
danielsKamion: likely to be in the next 2h or so?07:44
Kamiondaniels: should be07:45
KamionI bloody well hope so, anyway07:45
fabbionefor i in $$list; do \07:45
fabbione newname="$(shell echo '$$i' | sed -e 's/00list-$(revision)/00list-$(nextrev)/g')"; \07:45
fabbioneecho $$newname; \07:45
fabbionespot the error.. i keep getting an empty newname07:45
fabbionei don't understand why07:45
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Kamionfabbione: can't use $(shell) like that07:46
Kamionfabbione: it's expanded at the point when the makefile is parsed, not when that command is running07:46
Kamionfabbione: try $$(...) instead07:46
Keybukmjg59: the hald thing could have been that it tries to set cap_net_admin=ep, and it wouldn't've had the wireless driver (atheros, restricted, etc.)07:47
mjg59Ah, ok07:47
fabbioneKamion: that was ti07:47
Kamionah, finally, building CDs now07:48
mjg59I can't see why it would have altered capabilities otherwise07:48
mjg59I'll try to build a new kernel with that tomorrow and then push it to fabbione07:48
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Keybukyeah, just rebooted with an atheros module available and that warning went away07:48
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mjg59We should check whether that breaks machines that have no networking07:49
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sivangKeybuk: he hasn't come back, has he?07:49
Keybuk"come back" ?07:49
fabbionemjg59: no ABI changes please07:50
sivangKeybuk: he's not here right now 07:51
mjg59fabbione: Between now and release?07:51
Keybukfabbione: it's either that or backing out a few kernel releases until we have one that works on HP laptops07:52
mjg59fabbione: It's a regression, but, well, your call07:52
lamontmdz around>07:53
Keybukmjg59: do the n[cx]  6xxx have the same problem?07:54
mjg59Keybuk: Unsure.07:54
mjg59I don't /think/ so07:54
danielsfabbione: i'm not going to do it now, but if you need l-r-m done, i'm going to be around from about 0000->0700 UTC, then about 1400->1900 UTC tomorrow.07:54
Keybukit's an odd problem; it only appears to be initial fan state that it won't change07:56
Keybukif you can heat the laptop up over the trip point, it then takes control of them07:56
Keybukand if you manually turn off the fans, it'll turn some back on07:56
Keybukand will then happily turn them on and off as required07:56
mjg59Yeah. It's just down to it missing some interrupts from the embedded controller.07:56
Keybukunfortunately this means you either get a laptop trying to take off, or doubling as a frying pan until you do something :-/07:57
lamontrobtaylor_: around still?08:00
dholbachcould someone chuck out that kdepim-build? i always stop dead and think MY upload went wrong ;-)08:00
lamontdoes bind9.2.5 from debian fix the problem for you?08:00
Riddelldholbach: we're in the process of making one that doesn't depend on things still to be moved to main08:00
dholbachRiddell: ah ok... sorry :-)08:01
stockholmdo you use openldap 2.2 or 2.1?08:01
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fabbionemjg59: we just did bump the ABI yesterday.. and it is 8 hours of people in here working together to get all the bits and pieces08:02
fabbionemjg59: if it is a must for release.. well we will do it08:02
Kamionas long as you don't do it right now, I'm not bothered :)08:02
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lamontKamion: you want it post-array 7, eh>?08:03
fabbionedaniels: don't worry... know i have seen how to do it :-)08:03
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fabbioneKamion: when is A7 planned?08:03
fabbioneKamion: no i have NO intention to do it NOW08:03
=== fabbione has a life!
fabbioneand a wife...08:03
Keybukit was yesterdays patch that broke it08:04
danielshm, my shoulder's beginning to ache; i'm going to crash now, back at 0000 utc08:04
danielsKamion: g'luck with a708:04
fabbioneKeybuk: what patch?08:04
Keybuk2.6.10-27 seems fine08:04
Keybuk2.6.10-28 is broken08:04
fabbioneKeybuk: can you spot what patch did break?08:06
fabbionei know exactly which patches did break the ABI08:06
fabbioneso if we do not revert one of these 308:06
fabbionewe can get the change in -28 reverted08:07
fabbioneand the laptop fixed08:07
fabbionewithout adding new code or new patches08:07
Keybukfabbione: do you have the patches anywhere so I can look?08:07
fabbioneKeybuk: apt-get source linux-source-2.6.10 or baz ...08:07
fabbionewhat do you prefer?08:07
fabbionei also wrote a nice.. 25K changelog for it...08:08
Keybukdid the apt one08:08
fabbioneit should be pretty easy to track the change08:08
Keybukyeah was just reading the changelog and couldn't spot anything obvious08:08
fabbioneIPMI sounds an option08:08
Keybuk*shrug* bear in mind I know little to nothing about this kind of stuff08:09
fabbioneso do i08:09
fabbionemjg59 is the best one to help over here08:09
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Keybukfabbione: silly question, but where are the patches?08:13
Keybukah, I was in the wrong directory again08:14
fabbioneKeybuk: you need to edit debian/patches/00list-2808:15
fabbioneto enable/disable them08:15
fabbioneno need to remove them from the dir08:15
fabbionedirty hack: go in debian/config/$arch/08:15
fabbioneand remove the config files that you do not need08:16
Kamionfabbione: building ATM08:16
fabbioneKamion: ehm.. building what?08:16
Kamionfabbione: candidate CD images, will then test, and then release if they're ok08:16
fabbioneKeybuk: you will find the .deb in debian/build08:16
Keybukhow do I build just the linux-image deb?08:16
fabbioneKamion: ah ok.. sorry..08:16
fabbioneKeybuk: exactly as i wrote above08:17
fabbionejust run the build08:17
Keybukdebian/rules build ?08:17
fabbioneor build-debs08:17
fabbioneor whatever08:17
fabbioneactually build-debs08:17
Keybukdoes that make restricted-modules too?08:17
fabbionewhat patches did you back out?08:17
Keybukbinary-debs ?08:18
fabbione(it will check the ABI compatibility anyway for you)08:18
fabbioneKeybuk: yes08:18
fabbioneso if there is no ABI change there is no need for a build of l-r-m08:18
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Keybukjust the ipmi one for now08:20
Keybukapparently debian/control is empty08:20
fabbioneok. the 3 patches that breaks the ABI are the inotify, the       . Add patch stolen-from-head_087-ext3_graceful_corruption_fixes.dpatch.08:21
fabbioneand the JFFS2 that needs the ext3 one08:21
fabbioneKeybuk: in what dir?08:21
fabbionecontrol is updated at build time08:21
fabbionevia control.stub08:21
fabbioneit can't be empty08:22
Keybukah, I need "kernel-wedge"08:22
fabbionejust cp debian/control.stub debian/control08:22
fabbioneto recover08:22
fabbionei am off for dinner08:23
fabbioneKeybuk: if you have problems /j #u-kernel08:23
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tritiumodd: /usr/share/powernowd/cpufreq-detect.sh: line 40: We're: command not found08:37
tritium(on /etc/init.d/powernowd/restart)08:38
tritiumuh, you know what I mean ;)08:38
mdzlamont: here08:53
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dholbachthanks elmo09:14
jon1012oops bug09:17
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zulhey dear09:28
mdzKamion: candidates ready to rsync?09:29
Kamionmdz: yes09:30
Kamionmdz: well, install, anyway09:30
KamionI'm building live cloops now09:30
mdzKamion: live waiting on livefs images?09:30
mdzok, I'm up-to-date with install, let me know when live is ready and I'll do a test cycle09:31
tsengdaniels: im going to work soonish. can you please ping dholbach to upload tomboy and muine? he's already aware09:31
mdzamu: are you here?09:31
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tsengdaniels: he bumped a hard depend on your version of dbus i believe (0.23.4)09:31
amumdz: yep09:31
mdzamu: once the array 7 candidates are ready, can you run through your test plan?09:32
mdzfor the live CD?09:32
amumdz: if i have any blank Cd's left :) sure 09:33
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mdzamu: you don't use CD-RWs?09:33
amumdz: yes i use them, my last one has some read error's ... 09:35
amumdz: all right, found 1 in m archive-box 09:38
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abelliciao a tutti09:43
Keybukfabbione: hey?09:43
mvoKamion: 0316.2 seems to have set a wrong keymap for me. I'm checking 0316.3 next09:44
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mdzMithrandir: ping, re: utf8-migration-tool09:53
mdzmvo: ping, re: warty->hoary upgrades and ubuntu-desktop09:53
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mvomdz: pong09:55
abellisabdfl: ping09:55
Riddelljdub: do you have the HTML for the new website template?09:55
mdzabelli: he's gone for the day09:55
abellimdz: thank you.09:56
mdzmvo: did you find a workaround for the ubuntu-desktop upgrade issue?  (I don't have the bug# atm)09:56
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jdubRiddell: i'm not doing the new website stuff09:56
jdubRiddell: henrik is, but it's not public yet09:57
mvomdz: not sure, I need to test that again09:57
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mdzmvo: ok, please make upgrade issues your next priority, upgrades need to be solid for RC09:58
mdzearlier is better09:58
mvomdz: nod09:58
Riddelljdub: ok.  was thinking about using it for the kubuntu website09:59
smurfixWould it make sense to point the live CD's Firefox homepage to something other than "blank:"?09:59
smurfix(andif so, what ...)10:00
jdubRiddell: mail henrik@canonical.com, let him know :)10:00
dholbachsmurfix: we could do with some   /usr/share/doc/ubuntu-doc/Get-Involved-RSN.html    :-)10:00
dholbachor    /usr/share/doc/ubuntu-doc/Can-You-Feel-The-Love.html   :-)10:00
sivangsmurfix: we'd probably want it to open the fresh about ubuntu page no?10:00
mvomdz: how should we proceed with nessus? I would like to sync nessus-core,libs and nessus-plugins. it is in testing already and looks stable. I tested if it would work to only update nessus-plugins and that works for me. the change between 2.2.0 (current hoary) and 2.2.3 looks harmless too. 10:01
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mdzthom: what's your take on this bunch of new firefox bug reports?  genuine, or need-to-restart-firefox sort of things?10:04
mdzmvo: that's fine with me, it has no reverse-depends, right?10:04
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smurfixOoookay.... clicking on Help, then Desktop, says "User Guide for Gnome 2.6". Behind that one is the user guide for 2.8.  :-/  Are there no 2.10 docs available yet, or did somebody forget?10:08
rubenvhas anyone spoken to infinity recently?10:09
mvomdz: fine with sync the whole nessus or only the plugins?10:13
mdzmvo: both, together10:13
mdzsmurfix: I believe the title is broken, the current docs are 2.8, and there are some 2.10 docs upstream10:13
mdzsmurfix: ping seb12810:13
dholbachok... daniels being "asleep now.  seriously." probably means, i won't have to stay alert for the upload of mono-rebuilds :-)10:14
mvomdz: I like syncing all of it better too. it's a bit messy with all dependencies: nessus, nessusd, nessus-plugins, libnessus and libnasl210:15
smurfixmdz: That was the idea, thanks10:15
mdzmvo: agreed10:16
mvomdz: thanks10:16
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zulKeybuk: spending time with his wife 10:21
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Keybuktsk :p10:21
Keybukthe depravity10:21
zulyeah i dont want to know the details10:21
mvomdz: it's probably better to wait until tomorrow with the sync? because of array-7 ...10:21
mdzmvo: nessus doesn't go on the CD, so it's fine10:22
mvoelmo: can you please sync nessus-core, nessus-plugins, nessus-libraries and libnasl from debian? nessus-plugins in the current version is not distributable according to upstream10:23
zullater folks10:26
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Kamionok, interesting issue with testing install CDs that hadn't occurred to me10:33
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Kamionwhen fetching stuff like language-support-* dependencies from the network, the country you select influences which CC.archive.ubuntu.com mirror is used10:34
Kamionso, depending on how in-sync the mirror is, the country you select can in fact influence whether the install works or not10:34
Keybukwhy whether it works or not?10:36
Kamionsee the mozilla-firefox-locale-de conflicts that pitti fixed earlier10:38
Kamionmozilla-firefox-locale-de is out of date on de.archive.ubuntu.com, so German installs still remove mozilla-firefox at the language-support-* installation stage10:39
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lamontdaniels: could you pretty please break out the fonts as one of the 'right after breezy opens' things?  'kthxbye10:41
Kamionapt-get has a --no-remove option which could be used to avoid that problem, but aptitude doesn't document such an option10:41
Kamionmdz: live CDs ready to grab10:42
mdzKamion: grabbing10:42
robtaylorlamont: i am now10:49
lamontrobtaylor: sent you email instead. :-)10:49
robtaylori'll go read :)10:50
lamont14:49:23.331255 IP 2....32795 > P 1:13(12) ack 1 win 1460 <nop,nop,timestamp 83927103 1584306530>10:50
lamont14:49:23.483256 IP > 2....32795: F 1:1(0) ack 1 win 91 <nop,nop,timestamp 1584306683 83927103>10:51
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lamontsyn - synack - ack - data - fin :-(10:51
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Kamionhmmmm. ouch. COMPLICATED issue10:57
Kamionso, debootstrap installs udev10:57
lamontwhich launches a daemon10:57
lamontwhich breaks pivot root?10:57
Kamionbut udevd doesn't actually end up running inside the chroot10:57
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lamonthides even10:58
=== lamont had md make that change
Kamionbecause we divert stuff10:58
lamontdidn't think we'd sync'ed it yet though...10:58
Kamionwell, dunno, either way it ain't running, don't care why10:58
lamontand now you have an empty /dev10:58
Kamionnot quite; it's populated10:59
Kamionjust enough for most purposes10:59
Kamionhowever, it doesn't catch nodes that were created by modules loaded after debootstrap (or something along those lines)10:59
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Kamionso when tzsetup probes rtc, /dev/rtc gets created, but /target/dev/rtc doesn't10:59
lamontoh. ouch.10:59
robtaylorlamont: hmmm, 9.2.5 doesnt seem to make a difference11:00
Kamionnow, even if udevd *did* run inside the chroot, we'd have to make the outer udevd pass events through to the inner udevd somehow11:00
robtaylori'll try building a 2.94 with that patch11:00
lamontrobtaylor: ok11:00
Kamionideally we'd just bind-mount /dev -> /target/dev, but the two are running with different rulesets due to d-i's historical devfsness11:00
lamontyeah - if it wins, I'll push it isc-wards, and upload11:00
robtaylorlamont: cool :)11:00
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Simirajdub: ping11:02
lamontKamion: sounds like you want to have a chat with Md....  fwiw, if it makes life easier for you, he can revert the change he made for me - I had other problems that resulted in me (livecd) solving it a different way, that'll cope with udevd launching in the chroot11:02
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Kamionlamont: like I say, I don't know why udevd isn't started inside my chroot, but it isn't; never has been, AFAIK11:02
lamont(specificially, I kill every living thing in the chroot, and then I can unmount things...)11:02
lamonthrm... was launching in the livecd rootfs build11:03
mdzKamion: is this going to delay array 7?11:04
lamontKamion: but the choices are either make it run, or umount /dev and /.dev after debootstrap, and run with a static /dev11:04
seb128ogra: here ?11:05
lamontbut you know that11:05
mdzI think udevd won't be started because it's already running11:05
mdzKamion: bind-mounting should be fine; isn't the devfsness backward-compatible?11:06
Kamionmdz: well, we do use compat-full.rules; just not sure I'm comfortable with bind-mounting that at this point in hoary's lifetime11:10
Kamionmdz: no, not an array-7 thing, it's an oldish issue I noticed while testing amd6411:10
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mdzKamion: new live CD gives me a shitty video mode, where it used to ask and I could specify a reasonable one11:13
mdz(my DDC-challenged KVM)11:13
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dholbachbye lamont11:17
Kamionmdz: maybe xorg got better at guessing, but guessed wrong?11:18
mdzKamion: daniels insisted that he wasn't tweaking the autoconfig stuff for this upload11:19
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robtaylorlamont: ah, oh well, it appears my issue isn't that one :(11:25
robtaylorlamont: or at least that patch doens't fix it11:26
dholbachgood night everyone11:28
mvonight dholbach 11:29
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mdzKamion: daniels is en route11:34
danielsda da da da da11:37
danielsok, so in casper, we call dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, right?11:37
Kamionwith evil debconf passthrough foo, but basically yeah11:38
danielsif [ "$1" = "reconfigure" ]  || [ -n "$DEBCONF_RECONFIGURE" ] ; then11:38
danielsso that will be satisfied?11:38
mdzdaniels: correct11:38
daniels(arguments to .config)11:38
mdzdaniels: I can't find xorg 6.8.2-3; can you post a debdiff from -3 to -4?11:40
danielsoh, I see11:40
danielsit's OK, I see the problem, and if we've already done a7, I can punt -511:40
Kamionhaven't quite; mdz, can I release despite this problem?11:41
mdzdaniels: this bug stopped my a7 test cycle11:41
mdzit's pretty crap to have a regression like this11:41
mdzwhich is why I insisted that we not change this logic the day before array 711:41
Kamion'k, I guess it's a late night for me then11:42
mdzor we just delay until tomorrow11:42
KamionI'd rather get it out of the way11:42
Kamionmuch rather11:42
Kamionwhile I'm in Array mode, I get precious little else done11:42
danielsmdz: this was a -2 -> -3 change, not a -3 -> -4 change11:43
Kamiondaniels: -3 was never uploaded, as far as I can see11:43
mdzdaniels: this didn't happen on preview11:43
danielsKamion: err ... me too11:43
mdzah, that explains why it wasn't in the morgue11:43
Kamionyesterday's CD images had -211:43
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mdzI didn't realize we went from -2 to -411:43
Mithrandirmdz: re u8mg, I'm working on a version which DTRT when upgrading from the C locale.  It needs a bit (1-2 hours) more of polish which I'm doing now.11:44
Kamionso looks like an unfortunate upload accident11:44
danielsmdz: ... me either, because yeah.  i was fairly conscious about *not* changing this sort of thing in -4.11:44
KamionOK, can we have minimal-change to fix that in -5 then, and roll A7 with that?11:45
danielsKamion: yeah, and then -5 can become -611:46
danielsmdz: i have a -5 more or less ready to go; that will become -611:46
danielsKamion: sorry to fuck your evening11:46
mdzah, ok11:46
Kamiondaniels: *shrug* shit happens11:47
danielsmdz: if you change the script from 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' to 'RECONFIGURE=true dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg', it should work11:51
mdzdaniels: oh?11:51
mdzthat would allow Kamion more sleep11:52
mdzdaniels: can you test that hypothesis?11:52
Kamionso just hack casper then?11:52
Kamioncasper-reconfigure, I suppose11:52
Kamionlet me see if I can test it11:52
mdzthat does't look like it would work11:52
danielsmdz: yeah.  it's not an installed-system problem, it's a livecd problem11:52
mdzif [ "$1" = "reconfigure" ]  || [ -n "$DEBCONF_RECONFIGURE" ] ; then11:52
mdz  # if we are reconfiguring, or already have installed the package at least11:52
mdz  # once before, we should not let auto_answer stomp on existing answers to11:52
mdz  # debconf questions11:52
mdz  RECONFIGURE=true11:52
danielsit's a *tremendous* hack11:52
mdz  RECONFIGURE=11:52
danielsmdz: right, but the problem lies in postinst11:53
danielsmdz: when we call xresprobeint() in postinst, $RECONFIGURE is not set11:53
Kamionhasn't .config been sourced?11:53
mdzRECONFIGURE doesn't get set in postinst; where's it supposed to come from?11:53
danielsmdz: and it says if [ -z "$RECONFIGURE" ] ; then PRIORITY="medium; fi, which drops the priority on upgrades.  as it happens, this triggers, er, all the time.11:53
danielsmdz: *cough*11:54
Kamionsurely postinst sources the debconf confmodule which sources .config which has DEBCONF_RECONFIGURE set and so sets RECONFIGURE=true11:54
mdzI'm pretty certain .config isn't sourced11:54
mdzit's run as a subprocess, no?11:54
Kamionoh, you're probably right11:54
mdzit might not even be written in sh11:54
Kamionyeah, ok, you're right11:55
mdzI'll try testing RECONFIGURE11:55
danielsyeah, I just did that then11:57
daniels+ echo 'about to source confmodule in postinst'11:57
danielsabout to source confmodule in postinst11:57
daniels+ . /usr/share/debconf/confmodule11:57
daniels[...] 11:57
daniels+ echo 'finished sourcing confmodule in postinst; value of RECONFIGURE is '11:57
danielsfinished sourcing confmodule in postinst; value of RECONFIGURE is11:57
danielsso yeah, if you hack casper to ensure that RECONFIGURE=true when postinst gets called, that could mitigate this problem, but my god is it ever horrific12:00

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