Installing KDE for Ubuntu

=== sm [~simon@lsanca1-ar5-4-60-052-182.lsanca1.dsl-verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:04] yay === mdke rushes round sm [12:05] sm, hi :) [12:05] hello :) [12:05] i can't get zopeedit working [12:06] it locks the page [12:06] ok.. please explain to me how far you get in words of one syllable :) [12:06] ok [12:06] i copied the config from zwiki [12:06] changed emacs to gedit [12:07] open my wiki [12:07] click crayon [12:07] gedit opens [12:07] i edit the file [12:07] save [12:07] quit [12:07] error: page is locked [12:07] perfect [12:07] hmm [12:07] but once or twice it worked [12:07] maybe when i took not much time over it? [12:08] which page are you testing on ? [12:08] erm [12:08] none in particular [12:08] i was editing last night [12:08] ok.. try TestPage [12:08] ok [12:08] I'll check permissions etc [12:09] hmm [12:09] i have some cache issues too [12:09] just shift-reload [12:10] still no [12:10] might be my browser i spose [12:10] whoa [12:12] yeah its working with a fresh home director [12:12] y [12:13] testing now [12:14] right [12:14] here is the error [12:14] Could not save to Zope. Error occured during HTTP put: 423 Locked [12:16] where does that show up ? [12:16] a dialog pops up after your first save ? [12:16] no after I quit [12:17] after about 5 seconds [12:17] zopeedit does it's thing each time you save.. it doesn't know about quitting [12:17] but it takes a few seconds to upload etc. [12:18] erm [12:18] i think i have it configured differently [12:18] oh [12:18] # Automatic save interval, in seconds. Set to zero for [12:18] # no auto save (save to Zope only on exit). [12:18] save_interval = 0 [12:18] i changed it to that to see if it would get rid of the error [12:18] maybe is my bad [12:19] mine is 1 [12:19] k retesting [12:20] ok I see the lock [12:20] ok now i get the error when saving [12:20] same one [12:21] ok.. now quit it ? [12:21] what do i do with the error dialogue? retry/cancel [12:21] just cancel [12:22] ok done [12:22] and now the lock is gone [12:22] got the dialogue "File not saved to zope, reopen local copy" [12:22] page not saved [12:23] how about this in config [12:23] # Use WebDAV locking to prevent concurrent editing by [12:23] # different users. Disable for single user use or for [12:23] # better performance [12:23] use_locks = 1 [12:23] # To suppress warnings about borrowing locks on objects [12:23] # locked by you before you began editing you can [12:23] # set this flag. This is useful for applications that [12:23] # use server-side locking, like CMFStaging [12:23] always_borrow_locks = 0 [12:23] yeah, try borrow_locks =1 [12:24] better ? [12:24] same :( [12:24] huh [12:24] don't worry about it [12:24] can anyone else try this ? [12:25] mdke, just try at http://zwiki.org/TestPage [12:26] I have to go.. I'll shout if I think of something [12:26] no errors [12:26] yeah it works [12:27] sm, cool will hang around [12:27] don't worry tho [12:28] also try it once more on ubuntu testpage [12:29] k [12:31] sm, now it works [12:31] interesting [12:31] yay [12:31] ok all pages should work now [12:31] ty [12:31] :) [12:31] though I don't know why anonymous needs webdav unlock permission [12:32] thanks [12:32] at a later date, we should give some thought to adding a login link to the zwiki skin if it doesn't have it [12:32] you can bring it up by doing alt e [12:32] for now [12:32] brilliant [12:32] thanks === mercurus [~mercurus@PIPP-p-144-134-201-199.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:05] brb === mdke [~matt@mdke.user] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:05] nite === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:13] good day === mdke [~matt@mdke.user] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:16] sm, ping [03:16] . [03:16] sm, i'm looking for your bug on the ubuntu.com ubuntulinux.org thing [03:16] you know where it is? [03:17] that is what is causing my login problems i think [03:17] https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5725 [03:17] you're a star [03:17] thanks [03:17] hmm [03:17] np [03:18] you've noted the cache thing already [03:19] gotta run.. back tomorrow [03:19] bye [03:19] nite === sm waves [03:26] ahh [03:26] i missed that === Burgundavia [~Burgundav@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:31] hello [04:06] salut === Burgundavia [~Burgundav@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === sm [~simon@lsanca1-ar5-4-60-052-182.lsanca1.dsl-verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === froud-away is now known as froud [06:52] African Greetings === enrico [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-doc === froud is now known as froud-away === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mf- [mf-@ppp243-67.lns2.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.236] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:20] salut [09:27] Salut Burgundavia === froud-away is now known as froud [09:32] Just got my copy of Linux Magazine and guess what's on the CD? [09:32] Ubuntu 5.04 [09:33] Yeah; it's an old snapshot [09:34] unless that magazine has gone to press since preview [09:34] Kinnison: It is a snapshot of the development edition [09:34] but hey the DVD looks cool === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:34] sstaes 2.800 packages [09:35] easy installation [09:35] reliable system update [09:36] but they dont mention Kubuntu :-( [09:40] there are some poepl who are installing it off there and reporting issues [09:41] does it say Preview or Development version or something on it? [09:42] Burgundavia: it says "full distribution" [09:42] hmm [09:42] that is not so good [09:42] Burgundavia: It also says Hoary Hedgehog development edition [09:42] ah [09:42] ok [09:43] how prominent? [09:44] Small in compared to FULL DISTRIBUTION [09:44] right [09:45] it might be good to thank them profusely for including us, but ask us next time please? [09:46] mako: ping [09:46] Burgundavia: nice article though [09:46] it is way cool that they included it === Burgundavia has no music because his headphones are borked === froud is concerned that too much attention goes to GNOME. === froud wants the media strategy to include Kubuntu [09:48] good to counteract the balance of the ubuntu is gnome only [09:50] Huh? [09:51] sorry [09:51] good to counteract the press that ubuntu is gnome only [09:52] yes === _froud_ [~froud@ndn-165-131-237.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:55] <_froud_> like dude, my ups did not work [09:55] hmm === Arago [~Arago@host80-40.pool80182.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia [~Burgundav@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === _froud_ is now known as froud === Arago [~Arago@host80-40.pool80182.interbusiness.it] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] === drasko [~drasko@ic-07.etf.bg.ac.yu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === froud [~froud@ndn-165-131-237.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === froud is looking for reviewers on the document "Installing KDE for Ubuntu." Source can be checked out from https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/branches/froud/kubuntu For easy reading a HTML version has been uploaded to http://www.inwords.co.za/kubuntu/inst/desktop-install.html [02:07] saw it [02:08] am looking [02:13] Burgundavia: thanks dude. All manner of edits welcome. [02:23] hey froud [02:23] i think i may know a reason xpde may not work [02:23] mf-: you still tring to install it :-) [02:23] i did that last night [02:23] ouch [02:23] did you suceed? [02:23] was thinking, because it gnome doesn't have a popup taskbar [02:23] then the "start menu" doesn't work [02:23] so apart from that, i got the taskbar to show up [02:23] and the desktop b/g [02:23] i'm not sure what else is meant to be on there [02:23] surely the desktop should just install [02:23] perhaps it need KDM? [02:23] mf-: is xpde GNOME? I thought it was KDE [02:26] mf-: hmm niether [02:26] it's gnome [02:26] i reckon it does need kdm [02:27] what display manager does it use? [02:27] no idea [02:27] which? [02:27] if it's gnome then it surely it may require gdm [02:27] but I am not sure it is gnome [02:27] what window manager does it install [02:29] none [02:29] you never tried to install it? [02:29] no, nnnver [02:29] oh [02:29] i'm not even sure if i installed it right, it's just a conclusion [02:29] it must have somedisplay manager [02:29] you sure it does not have xdm [02:30] try sudo which gdm [02:31] sorry try sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm [02:31] that should give you a view on what it did [02:31] hehe [02:31] ok [02:31] hangon [02:31] lemme boot it up [02:32] it looks like kde/kdm [02:35] what's that meant to do? [02:35] what dpkg-reconfigure [02:36] yea [02:36] you should get a menu showing which display managers are installed and you can select which will be your default [02:36] which display managers are installed [02:36] it didn't [02:36] it didn't what [02:37] it just said [02:37] did not install a display manager [02:37] "reloading gnome display manager configuration" [02:37] changes will take effect when all x sessions have ended [02:37] ok cause you only have gdm installed [02:37] when you have mutiple Display Managers it list them for you and enables you to change between them [02:38] what's the normal way to install a display manager [02:38] and i'll work from there :) [02:38] you could try installing the kde core [02:39] kde-core can be installed from universe [02:39] that will add KDM to your system and then you can try it with xpde [02:39] i see [02:39] hav eno idea if it will help [02:40] mf-: I must go for awhile, c u later [02:40] ok === froud is now known as froud-away === jjesse [~jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mercurus [~mercurus@PIPP-p-144-134-201-85.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === froud-away is now known as froud === Kinnison [~dsilvers@haddenham.pepperfish.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:25] question to anyone paying attention, where would be the best location to learn docbook? [04:42] jjesse: you still tuned [04:42] best place to start learning docbook is http://www.docbook.org === egli [~egli@gate.wyona.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:27] was in a meeting but thanks looking there right now [05:48] froud: hey there [05:49] mako: wher you been dude [05:49] colombia [05:49] still there in fact [05:49] Hmmm, jet setting hey [05:49] :) [05:50] what's the policy on press releases [05:50] All the marketing stuff is ignoring kubuntu [05:50] not fair :-( [05:51] oh.. the kubuntu folks told us to wait last time [05:51] they weren't ready with some things [05:51] Why? [05:51] Well Kubuntu looks cool from where I am sitting [05:51] something wasn't very usuable i can't recall waht [05:52] yeah, they're going to do their own release [05:52] and sorry.. announcments [05:52] OK [05:52] and then the main announcement of the release will include info on both [05:52] that's the plan at least [05:52] Now if I write a news item for a web site, you have any policy with that [05:52] kubuntu related [05:53] no problem [05:53] check with the kubuntu guys [05:53] http://www.tectonic.co.za/ [05:53] and in the future, it's a good idea to check with maybe me/jane/mark/jeff [05:53] but yeah, go ahead [05:53] ok so I will filter it to you guys [05:53] what is marks nick [05:53] sabdfl [05:54] ah yes always get him and seb128 confused [05:54] it stands for either: self appointeed benevolant dictator for life [05:54] or: south african bdfl [05:54] Seems somebody took our release notes and posted an article on the above site [05:54] :-) [05:54] which i like bretter :) [05:54] :-) [05:54] sorry.. i'm quite lagged here :) [05:54] yeah === Kinnison loves jdub's announcement for breezy [05:54] mako: How much do those powerpads cost? [05:55] i got mine for 240 USD for the 10watthour one [05:55] sorry.. the 120watthour [05:56] what voltage/current? [05:56] which on my laptop is about 12 hours w/o cd [05:56] i think they work with just about everything [05:56] there ar elists of supported models though [05:56] mostly its so you know which cord to use [05:56] it comes with like a dozen different plugs [05:57] for all sorts of laptops === Kinnison needs 15V/4A in Portege form-factor plug [05:57] same type as the 4000/7140/A100/R100 etc [05:57] tosh fortunately standardised on psus [05:58] ok.. that's teh same as mine [05:58] i got the 120B [05:58] i have a 4000 === Kinnison nods. I *had* a 7140 and now have an A100 [05:58] I have about 12h of batteries anyway; but another 12 might be nice === Kinnison just has to do maths [05:59] wow.. 1h already :) [05:59] yeah.. i get about 12h on mine [05:59] maybe a bit more with the way i normally use it [06:00] Right [06:01] I just bought two externals and another internal for 90 UKP [06:01] that powerpad would be 130UKP === Kinnison has to decide on the relative merits [06:01] which version of debs is ubuntu based on? [06:02] froud: Erm, it's a rolling 'unstable' snapshot until freeze when we stop taking updates automatically [06:02] approx. [06:02] so I apt-get install knetworkconf [06:02] when I start it I get to select from all known supported distros [06:03] in debs there are three option [06:03] I am updating to hoary development branch === Kinnison is very confused [06:04] so do I select Sarge, Woody or Patato [06:05] Sarge if you want recent [06:06] ok thanks === maskie [~maskie@196-30-109-216.uudial.uunet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:14] maskie: it's not call more time yet ;-) === mdke [~matt@mdke.user] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:05] evening everybody [07:12] jjesse, ping [07:12] mdke: evening [07:13] hi froud [07:13] how are you doing? [07:13] cooking with gas [07:14] the best way [07:14] kubuntu is rocking [07:14] yeah? [07:14] i will try it soon [07:14] now all I need is a way to hide gnome apps while in kde and hide kde apps while in gnome [07:15] Ok good then you can test this for me http://www.inwords.co.za/kubuntu/inst/desktop-install.html [07:15] on the weekend [07:15] will do [07:16] jjesse, ping again [07:16] jjesse: ping [07:16] mdke: sure [07:16] here [07:16] sorry [07:16] you need instructions [07:16] patching [07:16] yes please [07:16] http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DocteamStepByStepRepository [07:16] did you do checkout from svn right [07:17] ^^ instructions :) [07:17] just got the instructions [07:17] if you did checkout then ^^ will help [07:17] di dyou read this doc [07:17] the one mdki sent me? [07:18] just reading this one [07:18] sure [07:19] c point 6 [07:20] does this help or you still need assistance [07:20] thats a wicked doc [07:20] it helps is the kubuntu doc in this repository or is there a different one? [07:22] its in svn in branches [07:23] kubuntu doc is in https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/branches/froud/kubuntu [07:24] found it [07:24] do you have the branch in your repos [07:24] wc (working copy) [07:25] i just did a svn checkout of branches [07:25] cool [07:25] i use cvs a lot so its similar correct? [07:25] cool you can also use svn switch [07:26] but I just do svn co on the repos/ that way I get trunk, branches and tags [07:29] cool, question when i make the changes and open it through web browser i get an error [07:30] XML Parsing Error: undefined entity [07:30] Location: file:///home/jjesse/ubuntu-docs/ubuntu-docs/froud/kubuntu/inst/desktop-install.xml [07:30] Line Number 30, Column 22: [07:30] dont use a web browser [07:30] especially not firefox [07:30] ok [07:30] what editor do you have [07:31] i just used emacs cause that what i'm used to using [07:31] cool with psgmls [07:32] i would guess so, just installed emacs21 [07:32] you should be able to yelp desktop-install.xml [07:33] parser error : Entity 'legalnotice' not defined [07:33] &legalnotice; &author-sean-wheller; Hmm hold [07:34] is your branches in the same folder (relative to your trunk/ [07:35] if so it will work otherwise it wont work [07:35] just copy the folder and contents to the same folder that has your trunk [07:35] then it will work [07:35] or mv it [07:36] so froud should be in the same dir as the rest of the docs? [07:36] so you should have branches/froud/kubuntu/inst/desktop-install.xml [07:37] in the same folder as somefolder/branshes [07:37] somefolder/trunk/ [07:37] branches [07:37] did you understand what I mean [07:38] yeah i do [07:38] ls [07:38] branches tags trunk ubuntu.xpr vendor [07:38] ok [07:38] working on getting it setup, thanks for the help :0 [07:38] no worries, thank you for your help [07:39] in svn the repos normally has branches tags trunk [07:39] but people usualy only checkout the trunk [07:42] ok i got it figured out now [07:42] in ~/ubuntu-docs/repos [07:43] i have branches tags trunk vendor [07:43] well if you did the checkout from repos/ you would have that [07:43] nod that was i did [07:44] so you have everything in my branch now inlcuding the learnlinux which is many many many files [07:47] does yelping it now work [07:47] btw, would really appreciate people's input on the question of wiki structure. http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IdeasForNewFrontPageStructure === froud hides [07:48] nope getting THe section '(null)' does not exist in this document if you were direted to this section from a help button in an application, please report this to the maintainers of that application [07:48] lol [07:48] mdke: I am no good at that kinda stuff [07:48] Yelp-CRITICAL **: history_pop_back: assertion `window->priv->history_back != NULL' failed [07:48] froud, np just a shout out :) [07:48] ok [07:48] i did a yelp desktop-install.xml [07:49] from where in the inst/ directory [07:49] what is your pwd [07:49] do pwd [07:49] /home/jjesse/ubuntu-docs/repos/branches/froud/kubuntu/inst [07:50] an dyou have /home/jjesse/ubuntu-docs/repos/trunk [07:50] yup [07:51] i have ~/ubuntu-docs/repos and in that dir i have branches tags trunk vendor [07:51] do head desktop-inst.xml and paste it here [07:51] jjesse@casops99:~/ubuntu-docs/repos/branches/froud/kubuntu/inst $ head desktop-install.xml [07:51] [07:51] "http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/xml/4.1.2/docbookx.dtd" [ [07:51]