[12:00] <nilsL> scizzo: I'll try that.
[12:01] <crimsun> riddley: linux-headers-foo doesn't populate /lib/modules at all
[12:01] <riddley> crimsun: :) hehe I thought I just said that to you..
[12:01] <CarinArr> i'm trying to install the kvim package using synaptic and get the error: Depends: vim but 1:6.3-025+1ubuntu2.2 is to be installed, i don't quite get what the problem is
[12:01] <bwlang> riddley: what driver is this?  did you modify your xorg.conf to tell it to send  scroll events... Option      "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
[12:01] <crimsun> riddley: rather, it populates /usr/src/linux-headers-foo so that the /lib/modules/foo/build symlink is _valid_
[12:01] <scizzo> nilsL: if it does not work...then I guess that you can't install some other package either?
[12:02] <padlefot> have anybody else installed the 2.6.10-7 kernel?
[12:02] <bwlang> CarinArr: it's saying that kvim is depending on a different version of vim...
[12:02] <riddley> crimsun: AAAH! I stupidly created the directory prior to install... I'll install the headers again
[12:02] <nilsL> scizzo: Doesn't work in synaptic neither.
[12:02] <nilsL> scizzo: No idea.
[12:02] <CarinArr> so the version i have installed at the moment is to recent?
[12:03] <CarinArr> cause at the moment the vim version installed is the one it mentions in that message
[12:03] <bwlang> CarinArr: dunno - kvim will tell you what it depends on...
[12:03] <riddley> bwlang: this mouse has 15 buttons. I wrote this: http://deadman.org/X/xbuttons.html
[12:03] <bamm> anyone using nautilus-2.10.0 and can confirm that it can't thumbnail svg images?
[12:03] <bwlang> riddley: 15 buttons... really you need 15 buttons !? - to each his own i guess.. ;)
[12:04] <riddley> I'd have 100 if I could :)
[12:04] <nilsL> scizzo: It say something about dpkg, what is that?
[12:04] <bwlang> riddley: whatever...
[12:05] <riddley> crimsun: I'm reading /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-headers-2.6.10-4.postinst and I see no mention of linking build anywhere... what's the proper place to link it to?
[12:06] <scizzo> nilsL: dpkg is the tool to install the packages with
[12:06] <pagefault> bamm, no problem here previewing SVG files
[12:06] <bamm> pagefault: thanks
[12:06] <bamm> now to figure out why it just shows the svg icon
[12:06] <riddley> crimsun: nm
[12:07] <scizzo> nilsL: apt-get update ; apt-get -f install ; apt-get install openssh-server
[12:07] <scizzo> nilsL: try that
[12:07] <scizzo> nilsL: otherwise if that does not help: dpkg -l |grep openssh
[12:07] <riddley> anyone in here running on amd64 ?
[12:07] <bamm> pagefault: you are using 2.10.0 correct?
[12:08] <pagefault> bamm, yeah
[12:08] <bamm> k, thanks for confirming
[12:09] <nilsL> scizzo: /etc/ssh/sshd_config: No such file or directory
[12:09] <nilsL> dpkg: error processing openssh-server (--configure):
[12:09] <nilsL>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[12:09] <nilsL> scizzo: And then the same error-message (1).
[12:10] <ewhitte1> ouch.  okay, my system is back to locking up completely.  Any idea how I can tell what it's doing when this happens?
[12:10] <evilbutters> if I just downloaded a program and its in my home folder, how would I go about installing it?
[12:10] <scizzo> nilsL: did you change anything on the machine and can you ssh to it now?
[12:11] <stelt> Is there a "I like this stuff, go install it at my harddrive" button on the liveCD ?
[12:11] <nilsL> I was compiling a openssh-binary that I found when a friend told me to just do the apt-get install instead, but that didn't work as you've seen.
[12:12] <nilsL> I can't ssh to it now.
[12:12] <nilsL> stelt: No.
[12:12] <scizzo> nilsL: ok...on the machine run this: apt-get remove --purge openssh-server ; apt-get clean ; apt-get install openssh-server
[12:13] <stelt> nilsL: too bad. I think that would be good
[12:13] <scizzo> if the first command returns error...then: dpkg --purge openssh-server
[12:13] <warty> hi all , i have a big problem , now i'm using ubuntu from live cd , and i have tried to install ubuntu but i couldn't make a partition for it
[12:13] <ia1> what's the right way to disable ipv6?  I think it may be causing slow dns lookups
[12:14] <scizzo> brb
[12:15] <warty> after i have tried this my pc doesn't boot from anything
[12:15] <spades> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#disableipv6-mozilla
[12:16] <ian__> spades: it's more than just mozilla, dns lookups everywhere are slow
[12:16] <warty> no one can help me ?
[12:17] <scizzo> nilsL: how is it going?
[12:17] <spades> ian__: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=19206&highlight=ipv6  second to last post or so
[12:18] <nilsL> scizzo: Didn't work :\
[12:18] <nilsL> scizzo: Same error.
[12:19] <dazed||lap> god i love ubu
[12:19] <andril> hello all
[12:19] <andril> any one using the hoary 5.04 review yet?
[12:19] <Levian> yes!
[12:19] <scizzo> nilsL: seems like you need to get a older version
[12:19] <andril> *preview
[12:20] <Levian> but its also the first one I tried
[12:20] <Levian> so I dont have much to compare with
[12:20] <binbrain> i just installed ubuntu hoary which has xorg now instead of XFree86
[12:20] <andril> how is it?
[12:20] <binbrain> my resolution is now way off.
[12:20] <Levian> I love it
[12:20] <binbrain> but I can't get it fixed
[12:20] <Levian> everything worked perfectly
[12:20] <Levian> except for a user issue
[12:20] <andril> ooops - problems
[12:20] <scizzo> nilsL: can you tell me the version you download?
[12:20] <dazed||lap> im upgrading to hoary as we speak
[12:20] <nilsL> scizzo: OK...
[12:20] <scizzo> nilsL: full version details
[12:21] <nilsL> scizzo: openssh-2.1.1p4.tar.gz
[12:21] <andril> I'll stay with the 4.10 build of warty - since i ditched windows
[12:21] <scizzo> wow...
[12:21] <ian__> spades: trying... thanks.
[12:21] <scizzo> that is a not a .deb file
[12:21] <dazed||lap> i ditched windows as well andril
[12:21] <scizzo> nilsL: I ment the file you where getting from apt-get
[12:21] <andril> well at least till this release is final
[12:21] <dazed||lap> on the pc
[12:21] <dazed||lap> and the pc is sticking with warty
[12:21] <geneo91> i have a few issues with hoary but i'm going to wait till i get all the updates
[12:22] <dazed||lap> the laptop is backed up with windows so it gets an update :)
[12:22] <andril> I have found so much use for Ubuntu - all I have to is learn to serve (ftp,web & email) then I'l be complete\
[12:23] <BenM> hey guys, if i use the live cd and when i startup, my monitor tells me that the `frequency is out of range' what should I do
[12:23] <andril> Unfortunately I have a overpriced Win machine still going in my rack
[12:23] <BenM> am able to get to vt1
[12:23] <BenM> so i can issue commands
[12:23] <nilsL> scizzo: 1:3.8.1p1-11ubuntu3
[12:24] <andril> how much of a difference is it from the Warty release? any comparison?
[12:24] <scizzo> nilsL: in a terminal: wget http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/o/openssh/openssh-server_3.8.1p1-11ubuntu3.1_i386.deb
[12:25] <scizzo> nilsL: now that is a new package from security
[12:25] <scizzo> nilsL: we need to do some other things before installing that though
[12:25] <EfaistOs> i have a little problem when i try to burn some datas on a DVDRW with nautilus-cd-burner  i got this message : File image creeation failed Incorrectly encoded string ... do u know how to bypass it?
[12:25] <scizzo> nilsL: dpkg --purge openssh-server
[12:25] <scizzo> nilsL: hmmm...btw....are you installing with sudo?
[12:25] <nilsL> scizzo: sudo su
[12:26] <zenrox> no su
[12:26] <zenrox> just sudo
[12:26] <nilsL> What's the difference?
[12:26] <nilsL> I type: sudo su to get to root?
[12:26] <scizzo> nilsL: sudo -s -H
[12:27] <scizzo> nilsL: that is what I use anyway
[12:27] <geneo91> well if you want su you have to do sudo passwd root first
[12:27] <scizzo> geneo91: why?
[12:27] <nilsL> scizzo: OK
[12:27] <scizzo> geneo91: sudo -s -H
[12:27] <robtaylor> sudo su is fine, iirc
[12:27] <scizzo> geneo91: that gives you a prompt also
[12:27] <geneo91> why i have permenet su and dont have all the bs
[12:28] <ben0ne> -H ?
[12:28] <ben0ne> what that do ?
[12:28] <scizzo> ben0ne: man sudo
[12:29] <scizzo> -H  The -H (HOME) option sets the HOME environment variable
[12:29] <ben0ne> ohhh
[12:29] <andril> BTW: anybody need a Gmail account? i have 50 invites
[12:29] <ben0ne> ok :)
[12:29] <ben0ne> andril, have 60
[12:29] <ben0ne> :)
[12:30] <fleebailey66> they went public today.
[12:30] <fleebailey66> or so i heard
[12:30] <cef> is that nvidia thing in the topic fixed?
[12:30] <scizzo> nilsL: sudo dpkg -i openssh-server_3.8.1p1-11ubuntu3.1_i386.deb
[12:30] <andril> ben0ne: yep you stuck with them too huh?
[12:31] <robtaylor> scizzo: why are you manually installing debs?
[12:31] <nilsL> scizzo: Error again.
[12:31] <garrut> cef, i didn't have any problems with the nvidia drivers
[12:31] <scizzo> robtaylor: read the backlog
[12:31] <scizzo> nilsL: same error?
[12:31] <nilsL> scizzo: Yeah.
[12:31] <nilsL> scizzo: I'm giving it up now. I'm going back to Gentoo.
[12:31] <scizzo> nilsL: how fun!
[12:32] <nilsL> scizzo: Take care.
[12:32] <cef> garrut: I was guessing it's fied, but you never know
[12:32] <cef> fixed even
[12:32] <scizzo> OMG!
[12:34] <robtaylor> scizzo: hmm i think he'd managed to hose something badly himself ;)
[12:34] <scizzo> robtaylor: yup
[12:34] <scizzo> robtaylor: the thing is that the --configure could not do much with his /etc/ssh/
[12:34] <scizzo> robtaylor: and so on
[12:35] <robtaylor> yeah, he'd probably rm -rf'd it soemtthing ;)
[12:41] <jnk> after upgrading, I have a "hibernate" option in the logout menu. But if I use it, when I turn the laptop back on, it just boots a normal boot, and complains that the partitions were not unmounted correctly...
[12:41] <jnk> why?
[12:41] <Loevborg> jnk, have a look at the wiki.
[12:41] <Loevborg> jnk, you need to provide a "resume=/your/swapdrive" kernel command line option
[12:42] <Fackamato> I lv ubuntu. :P
[12:43] <jnk> thanks Loevborg
[12:44] <jnk> however, the option shouldn't be here if it doesn't work... (ie. the kernel option should have been added automatically in the upgrade)
[12:45] <Loevborg> jnk, there's some transition plan for updates.
[12:45] <jnk> ok
[12:47] <jnk> Loevborg, so it would work out of the box in a new hoary installation?
[12:47] <Loevborg> jnk, absolutely.
[12:47] <racingcamel> i have accidentally install apache 1.3 because i did not realize 2 was in a repository, how can i uninstall apache 1.3 completely?
[12:48] <jnk> cool
[12:48] <jnk> racingcamel, I guess you just purge it (sudo aptitude purge apache)
[12:51] <racingcamel> i might not have been clear, i manually installed apache 1.3(no apt) the aptitude purge command did not uninstall it
[12:51] <racingcamel> what else could i try?
[12:53] <scizzo> racingcamel: manually?
[12:53] <scizzo> racingcamel: then aptitude won't find it
[12:53] <racingcamel> well actually
[12:54] <racingcamel> here is the problem
[12:54] <Jesterace> LinuxJones, NS?
[12:54] <LinuxJones> Jesterace, yeah
[12:54] <Jesterace> right me too
[12:54] <Jesterace> right on even
[12:54] <LinuxJones> Jesterace, no way I'm in Cape Breton
[12:54] <Jesterace> I'm in halifax
[12:54] <DarthFrog> racingcamel: If you installed manually instead of via the package manager, then you'll have to administer it manually too.
[12:54] <LinuxJones> Jesterace, I love halifax, lived there for 12 years
[12:54] <racingcamel> i installed apache on accident with the zend IDE and now whenever i goto localhost apache 1.3 is used instead of apache 2 which i already had installed.
[12:55] <racingcamel> I just want to delete it.
[12:55] <Jesterace> LinuxJones, I just moved here about a year ago
[12:55] <DarthFrog> racingcamel: So delete it.
[12:55] <racingcamel> should i delete all of the directories that are called apache?
[12:56] <DarthFrog> racingcamel: Who knows?  You'll have to figure that out, sorry.
[12:56] <LinuxJones> Jesterace, I am looking to move back if there is a good job wating for me :)
[12:56] <Jesterace> LinuxJones, hehe, I do crappy call center work usually but i'm on sick leave
[12:57] <racingcamel> how can i log in as root so i dont have to do the deleting via the console?
[12:57] <DarthFrog> racingcamel: You could always use aptitude or synaptic to remove apache 2, then delete what's left, then re-install apache 2 via the package manager.
[12:57] <DarthFrog> racingcamel: Give root a password.
[12:57] <LinuxJones> Jesterace, I worked in a Call Center 1 1/2 months is all I could take it
[12:57] <racingcamel> giving root a pass is 'sudo -s -sH' correct?
[12:58] <Jesterace> i was there for 7 months untill an anxiety disorder struck me
[12:58] <DarthFrog> racingcamel: sudo -s will give you a root shell. Use the passwd command in that shell.
[12:58] <LinuxJones> Jesterace, considering where you work I can relate
[12:59] <Jesterace> yeah
[01:00] <LinuxJones> Jesterace, funny I just tried to do some "online skills test" for a job and it told me to install Internet Explorer
[01:00] <Jesterace> haha
[01:00] <escoz> hi guys! I'm having  a little problem setting up ubuntu on a sony vaio
[01:00] <Jesterace> i tried an tutorial and it told me to install IE
[01:00] <Levander> Is there a good html color picker desktop app?
[01:00] <LinuxJones> Jesterace, I guess I won't be considered for the position afte all :P
[01:01] <escoz> everything is wokring fine, but there's no fan directory inside /proc/acpi/fan, as if it hadn't recognized my fan
[01:01] <escoz> any suggestions?
[01:01] <ia1> spades: that seems to have done it.  thanks man!
[01:01] <Jesterace> LinuxJones, hehe not unless you install IE with wine :P
[01:01] <spades> np
[01:01] <airox> Hi, I have installed quanta plus. How can I make the Qt engine (it uses that does it?) make the font sizes somewhat smaller of the interface ?
[01:02] <EsK> Hello
[01:02] <EsK> How different is Ubuntu from Fedora Core?
[01:02] <LinuxJones> Jesterace, I haven't had a MS install disk for over 5 years and don't plan on getting one.
[01:03] <LinuxJones> EsK, it is a bit different, have you been using linux for a while ?
[01:03] <Jesterace> I usually have a ms install, i dual boot XP and Ubuntu and have slackware on my server machine
[01:03] <Levander> escoz: I don't even have a /proc/acpi directory on my machine
[01:03] <Levander> escoz: fan is working fine
[01:03] <Jesterace> i haven't booted Xp except for my gf's brother in law wanted a game copied and my ubuntu wasn't quite setup yet
[01:04] <Jesterace> i've used linux off and on since 99
[01:04] <gilles> Is it useful to install alsa-module ?
[01:04] <arthecrow> alguien en espaol
[01:04] <LinuxJones> Jesterace, I think I am addicted to Linux
[01:04] <DarthFrog> EsK: Quite different.  Fedora Core is a version of Red Hat, thus RPM based.  Ubuntu is a version of Debian, thus DEB based.  However, linux is linux.
[01:04] <Levander> EsK: I've never used Fedora, but from reading reviews, fedora has more supported packages in their repositories.  This sounds good, and is a benefit, but the downside is that because there's so much more software, there are more bugs in the packages that you end up using.  Ubuntu concentrates on a core set.
[01:04] <gilles> arthecrow: tienes problemas ?
[01:05] <arthecrow> si con ubuntu en un laptop.
[01:05] <EsK> I've been using Fedora for about 3 months, and I'm getting better with it, but being my dumb-self, I messed something up and I couldn't boot up, so I decided to try something else out, and I'm thinking about something different
[01:05] <Jesterace> LinuxJones, yeah, i'm quite hooked on gnome and linux
[01:05] <DarthFrog> EsK: You'll find Ubuntu very easy to use.
[01:05] <Levander> EsK: fedora and ubuntu are the two biggest desktop distributions, if wanna try one other than fedora, ubuntu is the way to go
[01:06] <LinuxJones> EsK, do you understand partition(s) ?
[01:06] <trans_err> Levander: is that true?
[01:06] <EsK> Okay... I'm not used to deb-based, actually I've never used it before
[01:06] <EsK> i believe i am
[01:06] <DarthFrog> I think Levander is a wee bit optimistic. :-)
[01:06] <trans_err> Levander: I could have sworn mdk and SUSE were higher up
[01:07] <DarthFrog> Not to mention Xandros & Linspire.
[01:07] <LinuxJones> EsK, have you tried one of the Live CD 's ?
[01:07] <EsK> No sir
[01:07] <airox> Where would I change the size off the interface font of quanta plus ???
[01:07] <Levander> trans_err: from my reading, yeah
[01:07] <EsK> you can call me matt if you want
[01:08] <EsK> doesnt matter
[01:08] <LinuxJones> EsK, archive.ubuntulinux.org has some Live CD's that you can use to test Ubuntu on your system. Boots form the cd and boom your running Ubuntu (sort of in test mode)
[01:08] <Levander> DarthFrog: as far as what people say to use it's the biggest, didn't mean by userbase
[01:08] <DarthFrog> EsK: I would say that Ubuntu is a very good choice for you.
[01:08] <EsK> okay
[01:08] <DarthFrog> Levander: This is the Ubuntu channel.  Naturally, most folks are going to recommend it! :-)
[01:09] <jordanau> i am about to try to install fluxbox, is there anything i should know before i head right into it? Is it difficult?
[01:09] <Levander> DarthFrog: i've read several people recommend it, Ubuntu won the Ars Technica distribution of the year for 2004
[01:09] <DarthFrog> Ubuntu is not a good choice for someone who wants a distro that looks just like Windows.
[01:09] <trans_err> jordanau: apt-get install fluxbox
[01:09] <EsK> i hate windows
[01:09] <jordanau> more importantly it is completely undoable right?
[01:09] <LinuxJones> EsK, once you've used apt-get to install/upgrade your software you will never use another distro :)
[01:09] <DarthFrog> Levander: I'm not arguing with you. :-)
[01:09] <trans_err> jordanau: gnome and fluxbox can exist on the same machine
[01:09] <ian__> LinuxJones: as a slackware convert, I think I agree... :)
[01:10] <LinuxJones> ian__, it rocks :D
[01:10] <trans_err> I still recomend SUSE to newbs
[01:10] <jordanau> trans_err, right then i edit the .xsession file and add exec /usr/bin/fluxbox right?
[01:10] <DarthFrog> EsK: Go to www.ubuntu.com and read the manifesto behind Ubuntu and what it stands for.
[01:10] <Levander> RedHat and Debian are the two distributions with the widest user base in the US, Fedora and Ubuntu are basically the desktop versions of those two distributions.
[01:10] <EsK> okay
[01:10] <trans_err> jordanau: no
[01:10] <trans_err> jordanau: well you can
[01:11] <jordanau> trans_err, it will let me choose when i boot or something?
[01:11] <EsK> i would consider me a novice, i know what some stuff is and some stuff i've never ever used
[01:11] <trans_err> jordanau: at the gdm screen
[01:11] <trans_err> under sessions
[01:11] <jordanau> great! i'm gonna try
[01:11] <DarthFrog> EsK: If you find yourself in agreement with what Ubuntu is all about, you'll have no problem with it.
[01:11] <EsK> okay
[01:12] <netpuppy> is anybody using ttmkfdir on amd64?
[01:12] <jordanau> i can just ctrl alt backspace after its done right? or should i reboot
[01:12] <LinuxJones> EsK, Ubuntu doesn't have a graphical installer but it is quite easy to use.
[01:12] <netpuppy> it's segfaulting for me
[01:12] <EsK> yeah i read that
[01:12] <keffoo> anyone got ATi radeon 9800pro
[01:12] <jordanau> EsK, it was VERY easy for me to use and it was only my second time to install linux
[01:12] <netpuppy> keffoo: I got a 9500 Pro - why?
[01:13] <spiderworm> hi, im running hoary, updated the kernel and nvidia today, and get a black screen when starting x, tho I can hear the pretty music that plays when starting X, is this normal?
[01:13] <keffoo> netpuppy: just asking about FPS in games etc..
[01:13] <netpuppy> spiderworm: I remember seeing something about that in the topic of #gentoo-amd64
[01:14] <netpuppy> spiderworm: I thinks it's a generic Linux/NVIDIA bug
[01:14] <EsK> i'm used to anaconda installer, but i guess i'll probably understand it
[01:14] <DarthFrog> keffoo: I have a 9800 Pro, but not on my Ubuntu system.  I have it working fine in Mandrake, though.
[01:14] <spiderworm> netpuppy, well i am running amd64... i'll check it out thanx
[01:14] <keffoo> DarthFrog: any games?
[01:14] <netpuppy> spiderworm: Maybe it's amd64 specific :)
[01:15] <netpuppy> spiderworm: could you do me a favour?
[01:15] <LinuxJones> EsK, do you have Internet access on more than 1 computer where your at now ?
[01:15] <spiderworm> netpuppy, it could be... your nvidia working?
[01:15] <DarthFrog> keffoo:  UT2004, Doom 3, Quake 3, Alpha Centauri, Civ 3.
[01:15] <spiderworm> netpuppy, perhaps... what is it?
[01:15] <netpuppy> spiderworm: I'm running hoary/amd64 too - ttmkfdir segfaults
[01:15] <EsK> yeah, my moms, but im not able to get on it
[01:15] <spiderworm> netpuppy, want me to test it?
[01:15] <netpuppy> spiderworm: yeah :)
[01:15] <PacoBCN> hi people
[01:16] <LinuxJones> EsK, I was going to suggest joining the irc channel on another computer and ask for help if you get stuck
[01:16] <PacoBCN> how do you see if someone is trying to open your open ports?
[01:16] <spades> netstat
[01:16] <EsK> alright cool
[01:16] <spiderworm> netpuppy, what are you passing to ttmkfdir ?
[01:16] <netpuppy> spiderworm: nothing
[01:16] <PacoBCN> Firestarter doesn't stop showing me hits
[01:16] <spiderworm> netpuppy, ok
[01:16] <EsK> i have another computer but im gonna need another power cord and a moniter
[01:16] <DarthFrog> PacoBCN: Use an IDS (Intrustion Detection System) such as snort.
[01:16] <DarthFrog> PacoBCN: Or use netstat.
[01:17] <netpuppy> spiderworm: just use a dir with a couple of truetype fonts in it and execute it
[01:17] <EsK> wanna fedex it to me
[01:17] <PacoBCN> the problem of netstat is that I see a lot of connection which are real due to p2p
[01:17] <netpuppy> eh duh
[01:17] <spiderworm> netpuppy, lol i dont have ttmkfdir instaled, one min
[01:17] <DarthFrog> PacoBCN: These days, almost all IPs are constantly scanned.
[01:17] <netpuppy> spiderworm: I think I figured it out
[01:17] <LinuxJones> EsK, if your Live CD works ok you can just re-boot using that and start the install again. I'm sure you will get along ok tho :)
[01:17] <spiderworm> netpuppy, lol looks like i cant start synaptic
[01:17] <spiderworm> aptget it is
[01:17] <netpuppy> spiderworm: according to the man page it needs arguments
[01:18] <DarthFrog> PacoBCN: Snort will help you find out who the black hats are.
[01:18] <spiderworm> netpuppy, i would think it does ;)
[01:18] <PacoBCN> DarthFrog, yes, I believe that, the only thing is some days it's more active than other and makes me wonder
[01:18] <netpuppy> spiderworm: that's just a different behaviour than on freebsd, netbsd, openbsd and gentoo
[01:18] <netpuppy> :)
[01:18] <spiderworm> netpuppy, have you updated your system today?
[01:18] <netpuppy> spiderworm: yep
[01:18] <netpuppy> 5 minutes ago
[01:18] <DarthFrog> PacoBCN: That's the way life is on the net. :-)
[01:19] <spiderworm> netpuppy, you getting a "failed to copy auth file" error when starting synaptic, or anything else that asks for a password?
[01:19] <netpuppy> spiderworm: normally it just checks you cwd for truetype fonts and creates its fonts.dir file
[01:19] <keffoo> hmm.. ati totally sucks in linux? why is it like this..
[01:19] <keffoo> damn ati
[01:19] <spiderworm> keffoo, cause linux isnt ati's money maker?
[01:19] <spiderworm> yet...
[01:20] <netpuppy> spiderworm: I don't use synaptic to be honest
[01:20] <DarthFrog> keffoo:  I also wish I had bought an Nvidia card.
[01:20] <spiderworm> netpuppy, ok
[01:20] <netpuppy> spiderworm: but it launches without problems
[01:20] <ratana> hi
[01:20] <keffoo> yey, well. i might go throw my ati in the ocean
[01:20] <keffoo> and buy me a 6800
[01:20] <spiderworm> netpuppy, ok thanx... better figure out where its trying to copy the Xauthorization file to
[01:20] <DarthFrog> keffoo: It has resale value. :-)
[01:20] <ratana> anyone know the ubuntu 5.04 password
[01:20] <keffoo> i dont think ati will be as good as in windows in a long feature
[01:20] <DarthFrog> ratana: it doesn't have a root password.
[01:20] <netpuppy> spiderworm: maybe your gksu is borked
[01:21] <netpuppy> oh
[01:21] <ratana> i change it
[01:21] <DarthFrog> ratana: Instead, root stuff is done via sudo.  You'll be asked for your password.
[01:21] <ratana> how to chage it back?
[01:21] <crimsun> advise people to use gksudo <program>
[01:22] <DarthFrog> gksudo works. :-)
[01:22] <netpuppy> is anybody using ttmkfdir on amd64?
[01:24] <PacoBCN> another question, do you know guys if Firestarter handles UDP ports? I mean to open them
[01:25] <ratana> DarthFrog I cannot use any applet that need root access.
[01:25] <DarthFrog> ratana: How are you trying to access them?
[01:25] <ratana> becuase I change root password
[01:25] <ratana> by clicking on the menu bar
[01:25] <EsK> which one is the live CD
[01:25] <EsK> hoary?
[01:26] <ratana> When I click it asks for password
[01:26] <ratana> I put my new password in it does not accept
[01:26] <EsK> nvm
[01:26] <EsK> i found the hoary hedgehog live
[01:27] <ratana> I trie to change root password but I cannot leave it empty.
[01:27] <ratana> Do you have any idea DarthFrog?
[01:27] <spades> ratana: use your user pass when it asks for the pass, not the root pass
[01:27] <LinuxJones> EsK, that would be a good choice, it is the development version but will become the stable version of Ubuntu in early April
[01:27] <ratana> okay i will try...
[01:27] <EsK> okay
[01:28] <ratana> yee yeee yeee yeee
[01:28] <ratana> thankssssss Spades
[01:28] <ratana> Thanksssssss
[01:29] <EsK> thanks, if i have any problems ill come back
[01:29] <EsK> well, i need to download the ISO first
[01:30] <LinuxJones> EsK, fire up xchat when you get it burned and let us know if it worked ok :)
[01:30] <EsK> okay no problem
[01:34] <ratana> Anyone know any packgate like siffit?
[01:34] <gilles> What do I need to do so that a user (else than root) can use shfmount ?
[01:35] <bodhi> hi all, i got some problems with gnome menu. I use nautilus to add a launcher, I see the new launcher, and I reboot gnome but it doesnt appear
[01:35] <ratana> I want to check what my kid do on line
[01:36] <EsK> lol
[01:36] <bodhi> any idea?
[01:36] <EsK> they will find a away around it
[01:36] <EsK> its what i did ratana
[01:36] <EsK> when i was younger
[01:36] <ratana> I did too
[01:36] <EsK> ;)
[01:37] <ratana> hee hee
[01:37] <ratana> do you know any program that can do the job
[01:37] <EsK> nah man, sorry
[01:38] <gilles> When the Ubuntu starts, it takes hours to configure the networks interfaces (i have a wifi pc card), will it be faster if i install the prism module (i used to have it on debian) ?
[01:38] <airox> Is there a way to enable menu shadows and such things for gnome ??
[01:39] <Fackamato> airox: with the composite extension, yes
[01:39] <Fackamato> but if you're using glx acceleration (opengl) at the same time things can be slow and/or very instable
[01:39] <Fackamato> unstable*
[01:39] <airox> hmm
[01:40] <airox> I am not using glx accelaration.
[01:40] <Fackamato> and you need to use xorg
[01:40] <airox> I have xorg (using hoary)/
[01:41] <Fackamato> then search in the forums for composite
[01:41] <EsK> does ubuntu come with MP3 support
[01:41] <Fackamato> and you'll find what to add in your xorg.conf
[01:41] <keffoo> EsK: yey
[01:41] <gilles> why do i have the message : "shfsmount: Operation not permitted" when using it in user mode, how to give the permission to a user ?
[01:41] <Fackamato> EsK: of course
[01:42] <airox> tnx Fackamato
[01:42] <Fackamato> np airox
[01:42] <EsK> what about like, wmv and mpeg and stuff like that
[01:42] <keffoo> use VLC or summit. its no problems
[01:42] <EsK> okay
[01:43] <EsK> cuz its a bitch to build xine
[01:43] <EsK> well
[01:43] <EsK> to me
[01:43] <LinuxJones> gilles, you have to add that command to the /etc/sudoers
[01:43] <LinuxJones> gilles, for the users's account name
[01:43] <LinuxJones> gilles, man sudo for more info
[01:44] <Fackamato> why do you build xine, EsK
[01:44] <Fackamato> just apt-ge tit
[01:44] <Fackamato> apt-get it*
[01:44] <Fackamato> look in the forums for howto's
[01:44] <Fackamato> it's really simple
[01:44] <Fackamato> everything just works :>
[01:44] <EsK> well i was in fedora
[01:45] <EsK> and there wasnt any built RPMs for it
[01:45] <EsK> or like
[01:45] <gilles> LinuxJones: it works with sudo, but if i do so, then the mounted directory is not accessible by the user, that's my problem
[01:45] <EsK> yeah
[01:45] <LinuxJones> gilles, what kind of directory is it ?
[01:45] <LinuxJones> gilles, is it on a ntfs or fat partition ?
[01:46] <keffoo> gilles: u r from oz right?
[01:46] <keffoo> aussie-man
[01:47] <racingcamel> i have been attempting to manually remove the apache 1.3 server from my machine and have successfullt removed nearly every file except for the icons and am wonder why when i goto localhost in my browser it still comes up as apache but without the fancy page, just an error. How can i get this demon of an apache web server off my machine?
[01:47] <gilles> keffoo: no, france
[01:47] <keffoo> oh ok
[01:48] <gilles> LinuxJones: it's a directory created on my desktop in user mode, i want to mount my server with shfmount, it works in root mode, but i want the mounted directory to be accessible by the current user
[01:48] <LinuxJones> racingcamel, apache is probably still loaded in memory, /etc/init.d/(service) stop
[01:49] <racingcamel> what somman do i type?
[01:49] <racingcamel> command*
[01:50] <EsK> alright, so i just got finished downloading the live CD for ubuntu, so do i just burn the ISO and boot and its ubuntu, without all doing all the installation shyt?
[01:51] <racingcamel> apache is not a service in init.d
[01:51] <LinuxJones> racingcamel, /etc/init.d/apache(tab) stop
[01:51] <zone17> Hi :-) I just got my hand on a used laptop, but it doesn't come with cdrom. So I was thinking about installing ubuntu on it via pxeboot, does anyone has any experience doing that?
[01:51] <LinuxJones> racingcamel, must have gotten removed
[01:51] <airox> EsK: yep.
[01:51] <LinuxJones> racingcamel, sudo killall apache
[01:52] <EsK> okay
[01:52] <racingcamel> still getting the same error, i have restarted but should i do it again?
[01:53] <racingcamel> (error is that it still shows apache running)
[01:53] <racingcamel> when i goto localhost in firefox
[01:53] <LinuxJones> racingcamel, best to use "apt-get --purge remove app" to get rid of stuff you no longer want installed
[01:53] <hou5ton> how do I set the properties for what program opens certain file types?
[01:54] <racingcamel> yeah
[01:54] <racingcamel> i know
[01:54] <racingcamel> i have severly effed up
[01:54] <LinuxJones> racingcamel, what command are you passing to firefox ?
[01:54] <Jesterace> hou5ton, you using warty or hoary?
[01:54] <ian__> is there a package for gtk-sharp?
[01:54] <gilles> It takes more than one minute to hoary to configure the network interfaces at the boot, why ?
[01:54] <LinuxJones> racingcamel, what port I guess I am asking
[01:54] <racingcamel> port 80
[01:55] <racingcamel> i am simply typing localhost into the searchbar and it comes up with an apache dir not found message
[01:55] <hou5ton> Jesterace:   hmmm ... i really hate having to show just how stupid I am ... but.... how do I tell which one?
[01:55] <LinuxJones> racingcamel, do top and see if you can see any apache related processes running
[01:56] <LinuxJones> racingcamel, try clearing your browser cache
[01:56] <Jesterace> hou5ton, good question... in the top left do you have applications, places , and System?
[01:56] <Jesterace> or is there just two
[01:56] <racingcamel> linuxjones: i do not see any apache related processes running
[01:57] <hou5ton> Jesterace:   I have Applications and Computer
[01:57] <LinuxJones> racingcamel, ^^
[01:57] <geneo91> pidof apache
[01:57] <Jesterace> hou5ton, then it'd be warty
[01:57] <Jesterace> check under computer for system
[01:57] <Jesterace> then look for preferred application
[01:57] <Jesterace> i think that might be there i'm not too sure since i'm using hoary
[01:58] <racingcamel> linuxjones: all browser files cleared, same error (THe requested URL / was not found on this server)
[01:58] <hou5ton> Jesterace:   ya .. i had looked at that before ... but it only lets me choose for browser, email, text editor and terminal
[01:59] <LinuxJones> racingcamel, re-install apache then apt-get --purge remove apache
[01:59] <hou5ton> Jesterace:   here's what's happening ... I have RealPlayer 10 installed and it works, but when I click on a RealPlayer link in a web page, it opens Totem, which can't play it anyway
[01:59] <LinuxJones> racingcamel, other than that I don't know what to tell you :P
[02:03] <Jesterace> hou5ton, i'm not too sure
[02:04] <hou5ton> hmmm ... how difficult would it be for  me to upgrade to hoary?
[02:04] <hou5ton> Jesterace:   or should I wait?
[02:04] <gilles> is it possible to enable CONFIG_FB_RADEON and CONFIG_FB_RADEON_I2C in the kernel (or is it already unabled by default with hoary?) ?
[02:04] <LinuxJones> hou5ton, in FF under Preferences>>Download you can set file associations
[02:05] <mjr> gilles, at least on my Hoary/amd64 kernel CONFIG_FB_RADEON is compiled as a module
[02:05] <geneo91> very simple hou5ton just change repositories to hoary in synaptic
[02:05] <mjr> gilles, you can get kernel package configs from /boot
[02:05] <EsK> hey LinuxJones
[02:05] <LinuxJones> EsK, you running Ubuntu ?
[02:05] <EsK> it went through perfectly
[02:05] <EsK> yes
[02:05] <EsK> the live
[02:06] <LinuxJones> EsK, sweet
[02:06] <gilles> mjr: from /boot ? in synaptics ?
[02:06] <EsK> i like the brown
[02:06] <LinuxJones> EsK, you should have no problems with the install then
[02:06] <mjr> gilles, from the file system
[02:06] <EsK> ok
[02:06] <gilles> mjr: can i compile it with assistant-module ?
[02:07] <mjr> I have no idea what you're talking abou tnow
[02:07] <mjr> ah, module-assistant
[02:07] <gilles> sorry, with the command module-assistant
[02:07] <gilles> yes
[02:07] <hou5ton> LinuxJones:   I went there, but don't see a way to set the preferences for the .rm files
[02:07] <LinuxJones> EsK, it would be nice if you could run the installer from the Live CD and ask for help (if you need it) but sadly you can't do that yet :(
[02:07] <mjr> no no, it comes standard, as a module, in the linux-image package
[02:07] <LinuxJones> hou5ton, you can add a new one
[02:08] <EsK> if its anything like the live setup, then i wont have problems
[02:08] <gilles> mjr: so what should i do ?
[02:08] <gilles> mjr: i have the new hoary
[02:08] <LinuxJones> hou5ton, yikes
[02:09] <mjr> gilles, I don't know what you're trying to accomplish
[02:09] <mjr> you just asked if the FB_RADEON thing was enabled, I said that it is, as a module
[02:09] <gilles> mjr: i'm trying to have the boot screen in 1280x800
[02:09] <mjr> and told you that the info can be found in /boot (spesifically, /boot/config-[version] 
[02:09] <hou5ton> LinuxJones:   I have version 1, but it doesn't seem to have a way for me to do that ... or one that I see.?
[02:10] <EsK> if its anythign like the setup, then i wont have a problem installing the actual version
[02:10] <mjr> Ah. Well, for that, you might have to roll it in the kernel. I don't know spesifics about that.
[02:10] <mjr> (having fancy boot screen resolutions; of course, compiling it into the kernel is relatively straightforward)
[02:10] <EsK> oops i said that twice
[02:10] <LinuxJones> hou5ton, you might be able to change the Gnome association then hopefully FF will open with Real Player
[02:11] <LinuxJones> hou5ton, right click a .ra file then Open with Other App
[02:11] <EsK> i have a question about the live CD LinuxJones
[02:12] <LinuxJones> hou5ton, in Gnome not FF
[02:12] <LinuxJones> EsK, go
[02:12] <gilles> mjr: so a novice like me can't do that with assisant-module for example ?
[02:12] <gilles> module-assistant
[02:12] <mjr> gilles, that's not the right tool for the job; kernel-package is
[02:12] <EsK> is it supposed to lag a little, it never lags when i had fedora, if it is, is it just because its getting it from the CD
[02:12] <mjr> gilles, but I wouldn't recommend it for a self-described novice
[02:12] <hou5ton> LinuxJones:   when I right click, to open in another app is not an option
[02:13] <LinuxJones> EsK, yeah live cd is rather slow because it is running from the cd. There will be a huge difference when it is running from the hard drive
[02:13] <tyler_> Hola a todos. Why can't I play mp3s!?
[02:13] <hou5ton> LinuxJones:   also, we can't figure out how to change the file preferences in Gnome .... for days???
[02:13] <mjr> tyler_, http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:13] <hou5ton> LinuxJones:   at least, not for those types of files
[02:13] <LinuxJones> hou5ton, your on Warty ?
[02:13] <EsK> okay good, i thought there was something wrong
[02:13] <hou5ton> yes
[02:13] <hou5ton> want me to upgrade?
[02:13] <EsK> me having a 2.5 gig proccessor and 768 megs of RAM, it shouldnt lag
[02:14] <LinuxJones> hou5ton, you downloaded a .ra file to say your desktop and right clicked ?
[02:14] <EsK> but since you said it was cuz of the CD then its all good
[02:14] <LinuxJones> EsK, that will run Ubuntu just fine
[02:14] <EsK> okay good
[02:14] <LinuxJones> EsK, it will be snappier than Fedora :)
[02:14] <icebalm> hrmm, ubuntu setup b0rked on loading lilo
[02:15] <bwlang> tyler_: are you seriously asking that question?
[02:15] <hou5ton> LinuxJones:   when I right click ... it is also not an option to download that file to my desktop
[02:15] <EsK> lol, sweet
[02:15] <tyler_> thanks mjr
[02:15] <hou5ton> LinuxJones:   the only thing it wants to do is load in Totem
[02:15] <simplebird> does ubuntu work for ppc64? anyone?
[02:15] <icebalm> why does it load so much crap by default
[02:15] <hou5ton> LinuxJones:   so .. i copied the web address by hand and manually put it in RealPlayer, to make sure RP was working
[02:15] <farruinn> simplebird: it should, I believe you select power4(?)
[02:15] <LinuxJones> hou5ton, mmm I have been running Hoary for several months and can't remember.
[02:16] <simplebird> farruinn: does it has full  support for all hardware?
[02:16] <LinuxJones> hou5ton, I am sure you can do it but I can't recall sorry :(
[02:16] <simplebird> farruinn: i'm using power mac g5
[02:16] <hou5ton> LinuxJones:   Here's the specific link i'm talking about ... scroll to the bottom of the page and it's the Wendell Barry interview ... http://www.sojo.net/
[02:16] <farruinn> simplebird: the only thing I'm sure of is it doesn't support airport extreme
[02:16] <farruinn> simplebird: I *think* you should be fine
[02:16] <farruinn> simplebird: there is a hardware support page on the website
[02:17] <simplebird> farruinn: what about the sound card and video acceleration?
[02:17] <EsK> man this time is being ignorant, i change the time but the AM stays the same >:O, but its not a big deal cuz i barely look at the time
[02:17] <farruinn> simplebird: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupport
[02:17] <mjr> simplebird, basically, 3d only if it's an older radeon, since both ati and nvidia are being rather unnice about programming specs nowadays
[02:18] <mjr> (older <= 9250)
[02:19] <LinuxJones> hou5ton, try creating a dummy file on your desktop called test.rm then try right clicking on it and see if you get an option to "Open With"
[02:20] <hou5ton> LinuxJones:   ya ... that works ... when it's on my desktop or in some dir
[02:20] <LinuxJones> hou5ton, ok point it to the real player binary and hopefully it will launch from FF
[02:21] <hou5ton> LinuxJones:   oh ... you mean ... like, "training" it what to do?
[02:21] <LinuxJones> hou5ton, yeah
[02:21] <EsK> is there anyway to change the screen resolution
[02:22] <LinuxJones> hou5ton, your setting a file/mime association
[02:22] <LinuxJones> EsK, that's a known bug in the Live CD
[02:22] <hou5ton> also ... I have backports opened up according to some doc I found on the web ... cuz I wanted a newer version of some apps, .... do I need to undo all that before setting Synaptic to hoary?
[02:22] <EsK> oh
[02:22] <macewan> if anyone is interested, engage via apt-get works just fine. engage is the osx zoom panel thingy - enlightenment. this is on hoary box.
[02:22] <LinuxJones> hou5ton, that may cause problems if you upgrade
[02:23] <EsK> its no biggie either, so is the default resolution, 1024x768?
[02:23] <LinuxJones> hou5ton, do you have many apps from the backports repo ?
[02:23] <LinuxJones> EsK, you can change it once installed
[02:23] <hou5ton> hmm... well ... i don't think so ... but didn't keep track
[02:23] <EsK> alrighty
[02:23] <hou5ton> LinuxJones:   does that mean like a whole new install now ... or ???
[02:23] <farruinn> woot: iTunes library in Rhythmbox!
[02:24] <LinuxJones> hou5ton, maybe not depending on what you installed
[02:24] <hou5ton> xchat is one
[02:25] <farruinn> hou5ton: you need to delete your backports line if you're upgrading - there is no backports for hoary [yet] 
[02:25] <hou5ton> LinuxJones:   you mean ... if I put Synaptic back to the way it was, an upgrade to Hoary could still be problematic since I've already upgraded some apps?
[02:25] <EsK> LinuxJones: now all i need to do is learn how to use apt-get, if i want to like use apt-get to get xine, do i just put in "apt-get xine" (without the quotes)
[02:25] <farruinn> hou5ton: that too
[02:25] <hou5ton> farruinn:   ok ...
[02:25] <farruinn> EsK: sudo apt-get install [package] 
[02:26] <tyler_> Anyone have a clue why realplayer and Mplayer wont load? they seemed to install fine. I run the shortcut and nothing happens
[02:26] <hou5ton> hmmm .... so .... what would you gentlemen suggest I do?
[02:26] <farruinn> EsK: use apt-cache (no sudo required) to find the package name
[02:26] <EsK> now what does sudo mean
[02:26] <jimcooncat> noob2ubuntu: downloaded djbdns-installer, end up with /usr/src/djbdns-installer/debian.tar.gz . What do I do at this point to install, smartest way for the distro?
[02:27] <LinuxJones> hou5ton, well the programs that are installed could be the problem but worse case scenario you will have to do a fresh install.
[02:27] <LinuxJones> EsK, let me get you a good tutorial
[02:27] <EsK> okay
[02:27] <EsK> thank you
[02:27] <hou5ton> LinuxJones:   in other words ... "note to self"   backporting is not always the wisest thing to do.??
[02:28] <farruinn> hou5ton: it depends on how you do your versioning
[02:28] <farruinn> I don't know much about it though
[02:29] <farruinn> I backported some stuff for myself, but when I went to hoary I used the preview CD to test something
[02:29] <hou5ton> farruinn:   I'm assuming Hoary has all the latest versions of apps
[02:29] <LinuxJones> EsK, www.ubuntuguide.org is a great place to start with Ubuntu...see the section >> How to apt-get the easy way (Synaptic)?
[02:29] <farruinn> hou5ton: as new as you're going to get for Ubuntu
[02:29] <dragonbyte> hey, i am getting mozilla xml chrome errors after a mozilla upgrade, is there a simple fix for this?
[02:30] <LinuxJones> hou5ton, they are great in theory, you probably will be ok with the upgrade :)
[02:30] <hou5ton>  well..... let's take XChat for example ... which I upgraded with backports ...if it doesn't work, can't I just uninstall it and install it again?
[02:30] <EsK> okay
[02:31] <mjr> hou5ton, yeah
[02:31] <hou5ton> but I guess I should shut everything else down while I'm upgrading????
[02:32] <EsK> im bookmarking that because that will come in handy
[02:32] <LinuxJones> EsK, write it down your bookmarks won't be saved when you re-boot :)
[02:33] <mjr> hou5ton, well, if you're logged into gnome, it might do some non-lethally-weird things if you upgrade at the same time, but nothing a logout wouldn't fix... :)
[02:33] <EsK> good idea
[02:34] <jimcooncat> where can I find a debian howto on manually installing a *-installer package I got through Synaptic?
[02:34] <hou5ton> mjr:   well ... in that case ... sounds like it will have to wait .... unless it doesn't take very long ...  How long does it take?
[02:35] <Fackamato> jimcooncat: sudo dpkg -i filename.deb
[02:36] <jimcooncat> thanks Fackamato!
[02:36] <EsK> LinuxJones: if i update using synaptic package manager, will it be useless cuz all of it resets as i reboot
[02:36] <mjr> hou5ton, mmh, don't remember exactly, not very long
[02:37] <hou5ton> mjr:   cool ... think I'll give it a try
[02:37] <Yomic> :o, there's an OP in this channel :o?
[02:37] <LinuxJones> EsK, yeah
[02:38] <EsK> okay
[02:38] <EsK> could i just use synaptic instead of apt-get
[02:39] <DarthFrog> EsK: Always.
[02:39] <EsK> okay then, i dont need to learn that
[02:39] <EsK> :p
[02:39] <LinuxJones> EsK, sure but it's good to know how to do it from a command line if something bad happens like using the backports repository :)
[02:40] <EsK> alrighty
[02:40] <EsK> will do
[02:40] <Mark^> hi
[02:40] <LinuxJones> hi Mark^
[02:40] <Mark^> i'm having some problems installing...for some reason, during the installation, my keyboard completely stops functioning
[02:41] <LinuxJones> Mark^, is it a usb keyboard ?
[02:41] <Mark^> i can hit enter for boot at the start of the install, but when i try to select my language, it locks up
[02:41] <Mark^> i was using a usb keyboard
[02:41] <Mark^> but i tried a ps/2 one too
[02:41] <Mark^> both are having this error
[02:41] <LinuxJones> Mark^, so it just hangs ?
[02:42] <Mark^> yeah more or less
[02:42] <Mark^> the keyboard stops functioning and thats all thats wrong as far as i can tell
[02:42] <jon1012> hi everybody :)
[02:42] <Mark^> and i just cant get either keyboard to work
[02:42] <EsK> ohhhhh, this is an important question, does ubuntu come with a java virtual machine
[02:42] <Mark^> i can access everything in the help inex and hit enter for boot fine but i cant chooe my language
[02:42] <Mark^> choose*
[02:43] <crimsun> EsK: There's Kaffe, but you're probably thinking of Sun's or IBM's (possibly Blackdown's). See http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[02:43] <EsK> okay, yeah i was thinking of Sun's
[02:43] <Mark^> anyone have any ideas for me?
[02:44] <LinuxJones> Mark^, one of the terminals spits out any errors on it's output
[02:44] <Mark^> huh?
[02:44] <LinuxJones> Mark^, I think it's ctrl+alt+F2
[02:45] <Mark^> when would i access that?
[02:45] <farruinn> when you're having a problem =)
[02:45] <Mark^> but i cant even get it installed, will it work during the installation?
[02:45] <farruinn> and I think it's actually F3, I think F2 will say "press enter to execute a shell" or somesuch
[02:45] <farruinn> it's only during the installation
[02:45] <Mark^> okay
[02:46] <Mark^> can i do it before i hit enter for boot?  once i go past that it instantly freezes my keyboard
[02:46] <farruinn> once everything is installed F1-6 are login terminals
[02:46] <LinuxJones> Mark^, it might let you switch it might just be hung up on some part of the installer like a bad sector on the cd your using
[02:46] <Q-FUNK> anybody who can tell me how to disable gnome's own keyboard remapper in Hoary? (what used to be called gswitchit)
[02:46] <LinuxJones> Mark^, although it should pop up with an error on screen
[02:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> does anyone know anything about getting gstreamer apps to work in hoary?
[02:46] <Mark^> it has no errors on screen
[02:46] <dragonbyte> anyone having problems getting system>administration things to work? all of them fail on wrong password always
[02:47] <Mark^> its just all keys are nonfunctional, even the *locks
[02:47] <LinuxJones> Mark^, have you searched the ubuntu forums ?
[02:47] <farruinn> Q-FUNK: browse around in the Configuration Editor
[02:47] <HrdwrBoB> dragonbyte: are you putting in your passwodrd
[02:47] <HrdwrBoB> password
[02:47] <Mark^> no i havnt, ill give that a shot
[02:47] <Mark^> i just thought id try here first
[02:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> every time i try to play something in rhythmbox, it says "could not open resource for writing" then "could not pause playback"
[02:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> :(
[02:47] <LinuxJones> Mark^, GL wish I could help :)
[02:47] <Mark^> thanks
[02:47] <farruinn> BROKEN_LADDER: sounds more like a disc issue...
[02:48] <farruinn> the first error anyway
[02:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> disc?
[02:48] <dragonbyte> HrdwrBoB: gksu <something> works gksudo <something> says GNOME_SUDO_PASS sudo: 1 inccorect password (when run from a term)
[02:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> what do you mean by "disc"?
[02:48] <farruinn> disk, as in where the music files are
[02:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> my hard drive works fine.  xmms plays fine.
[02:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> rhythmbox used to work before hoary.
[02:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> now no apps that rely on gstreamer work.
[02:48] <dragonbyte> hrm actually looks like sudo is broke
[02:49] <daniels> gstreamer works fine for me
[02:49] <dragonbyte> hrm
[02:49] <daniels> BROKEN_LADDER: sounds like you removed esd
[02:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> esd?
[02:49] <daniels> yes
[02:49] <daniels> esound
[02:49] <dragonbyte> er wait
[02:49] <daniels> given that gstreamer is set up to use it by default
[02:50] <Poyayan> is there somewhere we can go for a feature request?
[02:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> how do i get that back?
[02:50] <EsK> alright LinuxJones, what will i have to do get a decoder to handle a .mpg stream
[02:50] <daniels> BROKEN_LADDER: apt-get install esound, I think
[02:50] <daniels> BROKEN_LADDER: and then make sure that esd is running
[02:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> esound is already the newest version
[02:50] <EsK> and im not gonna lie to ya, i need my porn sometimes
[02:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> i need my gf sometimes.
[02:50] <Q-FUNK> farruinn: I don't find any option to just disable the whole gswitchit
[02:50] <Poyayan> is esound better than alsa?
[02:50] <EsK> me too
[02:50] <daniels> Poyayan: different things
[02:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> better than?
[02:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> i donn't think that makes sense.
[02:51] <LinuxJones> EsK,  it's easy to do once you get installed it's on www.ubuntuguide.org
[02:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> what is esd called in ps?
[02:51] <daniels> BROKEN_LADDER: 'esd'
[02:51] <EsK> oh okay, thanks
[02:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> no.  it's not running.
[02:51] <Mark^> maybe this is the problem
[02:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> did i mess up something in my rc2.d?
[02:51] <farruinn> BROKEN_LADDER: then run it: esd &
[02:51] <Mark^> Radeon 9800 original isnt on the supported hardware list, only pro
[02:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> yay!
[02:52] <farruinn> BROKEN_LADDER: check your "Multimedia System Selector" settings maybe
[02:52] <HrdwrBoB> dragonbyte: because gksu uses the root password and gksudo uses YOUR password
[02:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> after over a month of no one being able to fix my rhythmbox you geniuses fixed my shit up yo.
[02:52] <dragonbyte> HrdwrBoB: yeah, just noticed my /etc/sudoers was blank
[02:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> now..will esd be running again automatically if i shutdown and back up?
[02:52] <daniels> probably not
[02:52] <HrdwrBoB> oh, well that will do it
[02:52] <dragonbyte> HrdwrBoB: i usually just use gksu not gksudo, apparently gnome 2.10 uses gksudo
[02:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> so how do am i supposed to do that?
[02:52] <farruinn> BROKEN_LADDER: esd is started by the gnome xsession, it may be disabled for some reason
[02:52] <HrdwrBoB> dragonbyte: ubuntu has always used sudo
[02:52] <dragonbyte> HrdwrBoB: godforsaken uneditable menu crap
[02:53] <trans_err> BROKEN_LADDER: esd is started by gnome
[02:53] <daniels> BROKEN_LADDER: it's cunningly hidden in system -> preferences -> sound
[02:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> gui?  ack.
[02:53] <HrdwrBoB> dragonbyte: there is a python menu editor floating around on the forums
[02:53] <farruinn> daniels: :)
[02:53] <dragonbyte> HrdwrBoB: ahh ok ubuntu thing...i went from sid->ubuntu for xorg
[02:53] <EsK> and i think this would be my last question, and if its true then i'll go download the cds for the actual program, instead of the live
[02:53] <dragonbyte> HrdwrBoB: denu...tried it a bit, wasnt really fond of it
[02:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> enable sound server startup?
[02:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> ohhh
[02:53] <HrdwrBoB> dragonbyte: ah, yes that would explain it, ubuntu doesn't set a root password by default
[02:53] <EsK> is the debian packages(idk what they're called) like the rpm?
[02:54] <trans_err> EsK: yes they are quite similiar
[02:54] <HrdwrBoB> EsK: .deb .. and it's the same sort of thing
[02:54] <farruinn> EsK: somewhat, I like the dpkg system better though
[02:54] <EsK> okay
[02:54] <trans_err> EsK: that doesnt mean you can mix and match though
[02:54] <LinuxJones> EsK, go get the install cd :)
[02:55] <EsK> i was gonna
[02:55] <Mark^> maybe it's a cd error, i'm just going to try a second cd i have before getting worried
[02:55] <HrdwrBoB> trans_err: it does if you want a system that isn't a giant mess
[02:55] <Mark^> brb
[02:55] <EsK> then i think im ready for the actual OS, cuz i think i can learn on the guide n stuff
[02:55] <Poyayan> is there anyway to add colors to human??? you know like the clear-looks theme has three colors
[02:55] <Poyayan> like an earthgreen and an ocean blue or something
[02:56] <hou5ton> I have about a dozen line options in sources.list ... can someone tell me what it should look like if I want to try an upgrade to Hoary?
[02:57] <HrdwrBoB> hou5ton: change 'warty' to 'hoary'
[02:57] <farruinn> hou5ton: and get rid of the backports line
[02:57] <hou5ton> ah
[02:57] <farruinn> and warty-updates too if you have it
[02:57] <hou5ton> so ... in all those lines, ... just change the actual name
[02:57] <hou5ton> ok
[03:00] <hou5ton> what about these three lines:
[03:00] <hou5ton> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main
[03:00] <hou5ton> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[03:00] <hou5ton> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main
[03:00] <farruinn> you just need the unstable I think
[03:00] <farruinn> that's what wiki/RestrictedFormats says anyway
[03:01] <daniels> argh, sorry, just clearing up bans.
[03:03] <mike_douglas> ubuntu developers: where can i get some more information about using Ubuntu with kickstart?
[03:03] <EsK> so warty warthog is the latest version
[03:03] <DarthFrog> mike_douglas: This isn't the developers channel.
[03:04] <mike_douglas> DarthFrog: there is a developer channel?
[03:05] <DarthFrog> mike_douglas: Try #ubuntu-devel
[03:05] <mike_douglas> thanks
[03:05] <DarthFrog> np
[03:05] <kensai> at boot I get filesystem is NOT clean... why?
[03:06] <DarthFrog> kensai: Cuz you didn't shut it down properly.
[03:06] <kensai> DarthFrog, LOL I'm shutting down right and I'm still getting the error
[03:07] <farruinn> does it say filesystem not clean or that it's checking?
[03:08] <EsK> which filesystem do yall prefer
[03:08] <Yomic> What language should I learn first if I wish to become a game developer (programmer) in the future?
[03:08] <EsK> ext3?
[03:08] <kensai> farruinn, filesystem is NOT clean
[03:08] <DarthFrog> EsK: It doesn't really matter.  Ext3 is fine.
[03:08] <EsK> okay
[03:08] <mike998> I guess I shoulda asked here first
[03:08] <kensai> reiserFS
[03:08] <EsK> which one is best tho?, is there even one?
[03:08] <mike998> does anyone know how to make the gdesklets launcher desklete always on top?
[03:09] <farruinn> kensai: you're using reiserFS? Isn't that somewhat unstable?
[03:09] <DarthFrog> EsK: It depends upon your purposes.   both reiserfs and ext3 are good general purpose file systems.
[03:09] <farruinn> kensai: that may be why you're having the problem
[03:09] <EsK> okay cool
[03:10] <DarthFrog> EsK:  If you were routinely dealing with monstrous A/V files, XFS is specialised for that.
[03:10] <EsK> what are a/v files?
[03:10] <kensai> farruinn, nah I have used reiserfs since it was used in most disros a while ago and have sued reiser4 and haven't had that problme before not even in ubuntu warty
[03:10] <EsK> <---sorta newbie
[03:11] <DarthFrog> audio/visual.  Basically editing movies.
[03:11] <EsK> ohhhhh
[03:11] <EsK> i got ya
[03:12] <DarthFrog> George Lucas & Peter Jackson would benefit from XFS.  :-)
[03:12] <farruinn> Peter jackson very well may have
[03:13] <zenrox> george lucas too
[03:13] <LinuxJones> ILM is full of Linux and SGI
[03:13] <zenrox> or lucas enterprizes
[03:13] <jsgotangco> good day
[03:14] <njan> If it's linux on SGI equipment, I'm guessing they're probably using XFS, yeah ;)
[03:15] <DarthFrog> chillywilly: Just for grins, check out how much system resources are being consumed by XFS. :-)
[03:16] <EsK> i ordered a CD from ubuntu... how long does it usually take to get here
[03:16] <njan> DarthFrog, 0 CPU and 0 memory for me
[03:16] <DarthFrog> EsK: Probably a couple of months now.
[03:16] <farruinn> EsK: at least a month, hoary isn't even "out" yet
[03:16] <lamont> EsK: when  did you order it
[03:16] <lamont> ?
[03:16] <EsK> uh
[03:16] <EsK> like
[03:16] <EsK> 10 min ago
[03:16] <chillywilly> DarthFrog: doesn't seem to make any difference to me
[03:16] <njan> EsK, it'll be at least a month.
[03:17] <lamont> so it'll arrive in late april/early may
[03:17] <EsK> oh nevermind
[03:17] <EsK> shit
[03:17] <DarthFrog> EsK: Where are you?
[03:17] <EsK> texas
[03:17] <lamont> EsK: all orders currently are being taken for hoary CD's.
[03:17] <chillywilly> CPU is fluctating between 2% and 8%
[03:17] <chillywilly> memory is at 18.6%
[03:17] <lamont> and hoary ships in early april.
[03:17] <njan> <3 xfs
[03:18] <chillywilly> 164.7BM of 885.4MB (should be 1GB), 2.7MB swap
[03:18] <icebalm> man, I dunno why the ubuntu install made me install lilo, grub works just fine
[03:18] <EsK> well, ill have 5 to give out to the nigg that lives close to me
[03:18] <chillywilly> xfsdatad and xfslogd are barely doing anything
[03:19] <farruinn> icebalm: how in the world did you get lilo? I didn't even think it was on the cd...
[03:19] <icebalm> farruinn: xfs root partition, installer said grub wouldn't work so it made me install lilo
[03:19] <geneo93> farruinn:  i have lilo also
[03:20] <icebalm> farruinn: after the install I installed grub myself and it worked perfectly
[03:20] <chillywilly> DarthFrog: where is the resouce hogging?
[03:20] <chillywilly> :)
[03:20] <DarthFrog> chillywilly: I didn't say there was.
[03:20] <geneo93> farruinn:  it is in the installer menu
[03:20] <DarthFrog> chillywilly: I was just asking.
[03:20] <farruinn> ah, ok
[03:21] <chillywilly> DarthFrog: I thought that's what you were implying, my bad
[03:21] <farruinn> and I certainly didn't use XFS =)
[03:21] <DarthFrog> chillywilly: I've never used XFS.
[03:21] <GuBAonManizales> hi mako ... is me GuBA ...
[03:21] <geneo93> farruinn:  i think only reiserfs4 you need lilo
[03:21] <icebalm> farruinn: nothing wrong with xfs
[03:22] <EsK> holy shit, im downloadin the ISO at 500 kb/s
[03:22] <chillywilly> I think it is a decent file system that performs rather well
[03:23] <farruinn> icebalm: until tonight I didn't even know of xfs =)
[03:23] <chillywilly> hmmm, wonder why I don't appear to have highmem support
[03:24] <chillywilly> hmm, this kernel is lacking it I think
[03:24] <lamont> chillywilly: which kernel do you have?
[03:24] <chillywilly> Linux frodo 2.6.10-4-386 #1 Thu Mar 10 03:25:00 GMT 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[03:25] <lamont> that'd be the base one... no himem
[03:25] <EsK> so theres just one CD for ubuntu?
[03:25] <LinuxJones> chillywilly, you got i386
[03:25] <lamont> what kind of processor do you have?
[03:25] <lamont> EsK: yes.
[03:25] <chillywilly> yea
[03:25] <lamont> EsK: one live, one install
[03:25] <chillywilly> need to grab 686
[03:25] <lamont> the rest is on the net
[03:25] <LinuxJones> chillywilly, you need 686 or K7 for xttra memory goodies
[03:25] <EsK> so do we just download the packages from apt-get or  does it come with it
[03:25] <lamont> apt-get install linux-image-686
[03:26] <lamont> EsK: yep.  apt-get/aptitude/synaptic/etc
[03:26] <chillywilly> sudo apt-get install linux-image-686
[03:26] <EsK> okay
[03:26] <chillywilly> :)
[03:26] <EsK> thanks
[03:26] <chillywilly> time to reboot :)
[03:27] <icebalm> man, kernel-image and linux-image... gah
[03:30] <chillywilly> back
[03:33] <chillywilly> lalallaal
[03:33] <jon1012> chillywilly: lol
[03:35] <kensai> I have asked this alot and nobody has answered does gnome 2.10 has composite features such and translucency built in or I need xcompmgr?
[03:35] <alisson> Quest-Master, hello...plz, do you know how to change the PATH in ubuntu?
[03:35] <jsgotangco> whoa need to update again in hoary
[03:36] <icebalm> uhm, why does linux-k7 want to install nvidia-glx?
[03:36] <icebalm> grr, I don't have an nvidia card
[03:36] <LinuxJones> night everybody
[03:36] <Anubis> icebalm, its a metapackage
[03:36] <Anubis> read the notes in synaptic
[03:36] <riffic> its being nice icebalm it wants to buy you one
[03:36] <icebalm> rofl
[03:36] <EsK> does anyone wanna donate me like 10 dollars, because i need 10 more dollars to buy an 40 gig ipod
[03:37] <alisson> kensai, is the X supporintg translucency without bugs int Hoary?
[03:37] <awb4422> hey what is the name of the net applet thing in warty that is not in hoary by default?
[03:37] <kensai> alisson, well X is supporting translucency without bugs for some time now
[03:37] <geneo93> EsK:  if you have that much then get a 20 and give me the rest
[03:37] <EsK> lmao
[03:37] <daniels> kensai: if you don't consider 'unusably slow' a bug
[03:38] <kensai> alisson, since release 6.8.0 of X.org
[03:38] <EsK> your funny
[03:38] <kensai> daniels, I have nvidia
[03:38] <alisson> kensai, when i installed the X 6.8.0, and I enabled the translucency, it crashed after some time
[03:38] <njan> s/your/you're/
[03:38] <EsK> i plan on backing up my whole comp on here, so when i have to re-load, ill just put it on that
[03:38] <EsK> and plus for music
[03:39] <geneo93> good luck
[03:39] <kensai> daniels, I get the same FPS with xfce 4.2 with the transparencies and translucencys enable as without it
[03:39] <alisson> kensai, but my video card is not very good, then because that i don't know if it was my video os bug
[03:39] <EsK> whats so bad
[03:39] <alisson> kensai, *or
[03:39] <kensai> alisson, it depends on video card
[03:39] <kensai> It was running smoothly in my gentoo box
[03:40] <kensai> with xfce 4.2
[03:40] <tyler_> Heya, anyone know where the open office icons are stored?
[03:40] <alisson> kensai, uau, it should be nice......how much fps do you get?
[03:41] <kensai> alisson, about 2,200 fps in glxgears I have an old geforce 3 ti200
[03:41] <kensai> 64mb
[03:41] <Fackamato> I have a geforce3 ti200 too
[03:42] <Anubis> be luck you dont have a Geforce MX 440
[03:42] <alisson> kensai, uau, heheheh.........I get only 400 fps :( . My video card is a ATI Mobile. It don't have a AGP card
[03:42] <Anubis> I get 500fps with my card
[03:42] <kensai> Anubis, I have it integrated in the motherboard but I use the geforce 3 not the 4 mx 400 I have in the mobo
[03:42] <Anubis> in 24bp mode
[03:43] <geneo93> Anubis:  i have and i get 1250
[03:43] <Anubis> the 7167 driver helped the card out alot
[03:43] <speel> hey i have a geforce 4 mx 440
[03:43] <alisson> Anubis, have you tried a translucency mode already?
[03:43] <kensai> alisson, Thats it ati doesn't support Linux well and neither translucencys
[03:43] <Anubis> geneo93, what color depth and resolution?
[03:43] <Anubis> alisson, yes, its very pretty
[03:44] <tyler_> Hey Lords o' the channel, BROKEN_LADDER wonders why he's been devoiced?
[03:44] <geneo93> 24 bit 1024x768
[03:44] <Anubis> damn
[03:44] <alisson> kensai, yeah, i know. But we don't have much choice when you are buying a laptop
[03:44] <Anubis> thats what I run
[03:44] <Anubis> dunno why it runs so slow!
[03:44] <alisson> Anubis, but it don't lag?
[03:44] <Anubis> no
[03:44] <kensai> alisson, it's true
[03:44] <geneo93> somethings wrong then
[03:45] <Anubis> geneo93, but everything looks right
[03:45] <streetbmx> hello
[03:45] <geneo93> did you turn on glx
[03:45] <alisson> kensai, a little help plz, do you know how to change the variable PATH in debian?
[03:45] <Anubis> geneo93, which module are you loading nvidia or agpart?
[03:45] <tyler_> Ubuntites, our brotheren BROKEN_LADDER cant voice, or has been devoiced. What ever this means. Please revoice him (or her for that matter)
[03:45] <Anubis> geneo93, I could not run glxgears without it
[03:46] <kensai> alisson, variable PATH? what you are doing?
[03:46] <chillywilly> this isn't a moderated channel
[03:46] <zul> alisson: type expor PATH="$PATH:<additional directories>
[03:46] <tyler_> Is this a purely male channel? ANy ladies about? Do girls bother with linux?
[03:46] <zul> alisson: type expor PATH="$PATH:<additional directories>"
[03:46] <tyler_> Not trying to get into some kind of cyber here or anything, just wondering
[03:46] <alisson> kensai, zul, i instaled the IDE Eclipse, but the PATH export only in bash
[03:46] <kensai> alisson, ohh>>> follow zul comment
[03:47] <streetbmx> has anyone used reiser4 with ubuntu?
[03:47] <alisson> zul, I tried it already, but when you restart the computer, we lost it, don't we?
[03:48] <awb4422> hey what is the name of the wireless monitor applet that is in warty by default, but that doesn't seem to be in hoary preview?
[03:48] <alisson> kensai, how much fps can you get with a good video card?
[03:48] <alisson> kensai, just to me take an idea
[03:48] <geneo93> 8104 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1620.800 FPS i lied
[03:49] <Anubis> geneo93, which driver version?
[03:49] <Anubis> geneo93, cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/card
[03:49] <Anubis> geneo93, cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status
[03:51] <alisson> zul: did you do this, and it worked for all the time?
[03:51] <alisson> zul: in changing the PATH?
[03:53] <Yomic> What language should I learn first if I wish to become a game developer (programmer) in the future?
[03:54] <alisson> kensai, there are differences between gtk2.4 and gtk2.6?
[03:55] <geneo91> sorry got cut off
[03:55] <streetbmx> Yomic: C/C++
[03:56] <voxvirus> hello
[03:56] <streetbmx> hi
[03:57] <zul> alisson: yes it works all the time you have to put it in your .bashrc file to make it permanent
[03:57] <voxvirus> could someone please help me installing plone?
[03:58] <kensai> alisson, I've seen people with 10k FPS in glxgears
[03:58] <geneo91> not true fps though
[03:59] <bretzel> ah! me too want to know what to do with plone --- dunoo how to connect to that stuff
[03:59] <geneo91> i can make mine that high also
[04:00] <racingcamel> I have downloaded and configured phpmyadmin but whenever i navigate to the directory i get a RaNdOm.phtml file that firefox doesn't know what to do with. How can I remedy this problem
[04:00] <racingcamel> ?
[04:00] <alisson> zul, I put on /etc/bash.bashrc. The problem is that whenever I log in X, the PATH is not changed. This chage only when I open a Bash
[04:00] <tizen> 880 frames in 5.0 seconds = 176.000 FPS <- That mean it's using the Radeon now?
[04:01] <geneo91> 29830 frames in 5.0 seconds = 5966.000 FPS
[04:01] <alisson> tizen, what radeon are you using?
[04:01] <NetwrkMonkey> how are you accessing phpmyadmin?
[04:01] <tizen> alisson: 8500 128mb
[04:01] <speel> 5811 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1162.200 FPS
[04:01] <geneo91> nvidia
[04:01] <alisson> tizen, AGP ?
[04:01] <farruinn> I installed gvlc, but I still don't have a nice gtk+ interface, is there something else I'm supposed to do?
[04:01] <farruinn> (hoary)
[04:01] <tizen> alisson: Yeah
[04:02] <alisson> tizen, It should be much more, around 1000 FPS
[04:02] <tizen> alisson: k, i guess i gotta figure it out
[04:02] <NetwrkMonkey> racingcamel, how are you configuring phpmyadmin?
[04:02] <HrdwrBoB> farruinn: applications -> internet -> terminal service client
[04:03] <farruinn> HrdwrBoB: are you thinking of vnc?
[04:03] <HrdwrBoB> oh
[04:03] <farruinn> anyway, I've found gnome-vlc, that may be what I'm looking for...
[04:03] <HrdwrBoB> sorry I'm a tard
[04:03] <farruinn> :)
[04:03] <racingcamel> i am accessing it via firefox and by typing in localhost/phpmyadmin
[04:04] <zul> alisson: create a file in your home directory called .bashrc and put the line there when you finish that type the following: source ~/.bashrc
[04:04] <alisson> tizen, have you alredy tried the www.ati.org to try to find a driver?
[04:04] <NetwrkMonkey> racingcamel, did you actually configure it?
[04:04] <farruinn> ok, this is weird, gvlc and gnome-vlc are supposed to provide gvlc and gnome-vlc commands, but nothing is installed under /usr/bin?!
[04:04] <farruinn> someone on x86 have these installed and can tell me it's just a PPC thing?
[04:04] <racingcamel> yes, i went through config.inc.php and defined the neccessary fields
[04:05] <NetwrkMonkey> what feilds did you define?
[04:05] <tizen> alisson: yeah, i must of broke something... I've got a ton of remote linux admin experience... But this desktop stuff...
[04:05] <NetwrkMonkey> and did you make sure that user has full rights to the mysql db's?
[04:05] <hardy_> What repository contains libggi2 1:2.0.5
[04:05] <alisson> zul, ohh, ok then. If I want to do it automatically all the boot time, I should put this command (source) in somewhere?
[04:07] <zul> alisson: if you put it your .bashrc it would only affect your user if you want it to affect everyone you can put the line in /etc/profile in the PATH LINE
[04:07] <racingcamel> i defined PmaAbsoluteURl, $cfg['Servers'] [$i] ['host'] ,  $cfg['Servers'] [$i] ['auth_type']      = 'config';    // Authentication method (config, http or cookie based)?
[04:07] <racingcamel> $cfg['Servers'] [$i] ['user']           = 'root';      // MySQL user
[04:07] <racingcamel> $cfg['Servers'] [$i] ['password']       = '';          // MySQL password (only needed
[04:07] <NetwrkMonkey> no no no no
[04:07] <NetwrkMonkey> you don't want the user being root
[04:08] <NetwrkMonkey> you need to configure your db
[04:08] <alisson> zul, sorry, but I tried it already, and it don't work on a X enviorment variables.
[04:08] <racingcamel> and how might i go about configuring my DB
[04:08] <racingcamel> in this newfangled linux console
[04:08] <zul> alisson: have you tired log out and log back in?
[04:09] <NetwrkMonkey> hrm
[04:09] <NetwrkMonkey> i ferget :-)
[04:09] <NetwrkMonkey> i have the syntax i used stored in a backup
[04:09] <alisson> zul, shure......for example, I have a launch aplication in X, to Eclipse, and it don't work. He says that can't find java. But when I open a bash, and type eclipse, it works because the path was changed because bashrc only change the PATH in bash
[04:10] <jayeola> any one used gnokii for mobile phones before?
[04:10] <alisson> zul, I was trying to find an file to put the right PATH, to work on X too.
[04:11] <zul> /etc/profile should do it but you might have to restart x
[04:11] <hardy_> What repository contains libggi2 1:2.0.5?
[04:11] <zul> gotta go though
[04:11] <tyler_> Any know how to make XFce so it logs on as su?
[04:11] <NetwrkMonkey> hrm
[04:12] <racingcamel> Any luck Netwrk?
[04:12] <NetwrkMonkey> looking in a second book :-)
[04:12] <alisson> zul, when do you have a time, try it then. You will understand what I am talking about.
[04:12] <alisson> zul, better, read this: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-2793.html
[04:13] <alisson> zul, I tried to do this, but without success
[04:14] <Butters|XGH|Snip> Can anyone tell me what I need to do to allow people to connect to my shared folder I setup??
[04:15] <tofu> hey guys, im a bit new to linux, and just got ubuntu installed on my other pc. im having problems getting it to connect to the internet... ive looked up some commands and tried ifdown eth0 (i have my nic already set as eth0) and then did ifup eth0 and it tells me  no dhcpoffers located
[04:15] <FX|Laptop> Hello
[04:15] <FX|Laptop> Hey would be the command to start or restart ssh?
[04:15] <alisson> Butters|XGH|Snip, sharing with SAMBA or NFS?
[04:15] <Butters|XGH|Snip> Under Administration theres a Shared Folder place... I added it...but Windows users need a username and pw
[04:16] <Butters|XGH|Snip> alisson, its smb
[04:16] <alisson> Butters|XGH|Snip, edit /etc/smb/samba.conf t allow all users
[04:16] <alisson> tofu, use pppconfig
[04:17] <tofu> thnx
[04:17] <evilbutters> Where do I go to change the sources list so I can change them from Warty to Horay
[04:17] <alisson> and then pon <name of conection>
[04:17] <Butters|XGH|Snip> alisson, do you know the exact line I need to change?? I got lost there once before when I used FC3
[04:17] <alisson> Butters|XGH|Snip, i will see the file, I will try, take a moment, plz
[04:17] <jsgotangco> you just scroll down at the bottom
[04:17] <Butters|XGH|Snip> alisson, I don't even have the file....thats odd
[04:17] <jsgotangco> eh?
[04:18] <alisson> Butters|XGH|Snip, sorry, the path is /etc/samba/smb.conf
[04:18] <jsgotangco> /etc/samba/smb.conf
[04:18] <alisson> Butters|XGH|Snip, did you installed samba?
[04:18] <hardy_> What repository contains libggi2 1:2.0.5?
[04:18] <WW> FX|Laptop: Do you have the package openssh installed?
[04:19] <Butters|XGH|Snip> alisson, yes I have the file
[04:19] <Butters|XGH|Snip> alisson,  and yes I installed it...it wouldn't let me share until I d/led NFS or SMB
[04:19] <alisson> Butters|XGH|Snip, ok then, I will try to find the option
[04:20] <alisson> i thing that word is "secutiry"
[04:20] <tofu> alisson, for the number for my primary nameserver in pppconfig what is that exactly, my router ip..?
[04:20] <jsgotangco> Butters|XGH|Snip: check smb.conf and go to Share Definitions section it already has some templates for you to copy
[04:20] <WW> FX|Laptop: Oops, that would be openssh-server
[04:21] <alisson> tofu, nameserver should get automatically from the provider
[04:21] <geneo91> pppconfig is dun
[04:21] <alisson> tofu, almost of them do it automatically
[04:21] <FX|Laptop> ugh....
[04:21] <FX|Laptop> How come I'm getting Nor route to host with ssh?
[04:22] <tofu> alisson, i went through and it asked me static / dynamic / other   should i choose other?
[04:22] <FX|Laptop> worked just fine a couple of days ago.
[04:22] <alisson> dynamic
[04:22] <alisson> tofu, dynamic
[04:22] <geneo91> dynamic
[04:23] <tofu> ok i chose dynamic and thats when it asks me for an ipfor the nameserver
[04:24] <alisson> tofu, after dynamic, he answer for Authentication Method, is it?
[04:25] <Butters|XGH|Snip> alisson, none of that seems to be working...matter a fact looks like I have the same thing already in there
[04:25] <alisson> tofu, to select a radio button in text mode, you should press space bar
[04:25] <Butters|XGH|Snip> alisson, don't I have to add a smb user and pw?
[04:26] <alisson> Butters|XGH|Snip, did you try to put public = yes on sharing options
[04:26] <Butters|XGH|Snip> alisson, yes I already have 2 folders that way...
[04:26] <tofu> alisson, oh hah thanks
[04:27] <alisson> Butters|XGH|Snip, you can try to add a user or change a security mode
[04:28] <Butters|XGH|Snip> alisson, security mode?
[04:28] <CompotatoJ> Is it possible to get flash and or java working with Ubuntu x86_64
[04:28] <alisson> Butters|XGH|Snip, in section Authentication......if my mind didn't flesh, its security = share
[04:29] <Butters|XGH|Snip> alisson, ok brb
[04:29] <alisson> Butters|XGH|Snip, try to restart samba in /etc/init.d/samba restart
[04:30] <voxvirus> i'm running hoary, i've got apache working but i can't get plone to work right, can someone help me installing plone right?
[04:30] <kbitty> heh this chan even bigger than bsd
[04:31] <alisson> Butters|XGH|Snip, did it work?
[04:31] <Butters|XGH|Snip> alisson, I'm getting errors when I restart
[04:31] <Butters|XGH|Snip>  * Stopping Samba daemons...
[04:31] <Butters|XGH|Snip> /etc/init.d/samba: line 45: start-stop-daemon: command not found
[04:31] <Butters|XGH|Snip> /etc/init.d/samba: line 56: start-stop-daemon: command not found         [ ok ] 
[04:31] <Butters|XGH|Snip>  * Starting Samba daemons..
[04:31] <Butters|XGH|Snip>  *tc/init.d/samba: line 28: start-stop-daemon: command not found         [fail] 
[04:32] <alisson> Butters|XGH|Snip, line 45?
[04:32] <kbitty> does ubuntu support a intel ethernet express 8/16 lan card?
[04:32] <Butters|XGH|Snip> lol yeah thats what I said
[04:33] <alisson> Butters|XGH|Snip, what are the line 45?
[04:33] <Butters|XGH|Snip> ;   name resolve order = lmhosts host wins bcast
[04:34] <alisson> Butters|XGH|Snip, it's very strange, because this line is a comment
[04:34] <Butters|XGH|Snip> alisson, yeah I noticed...
[04:35] <alisson> if you rechange the security to user mode, it return to funct?
[04:36] <Butters|XGH|Snip> alisson, I've never been able to share files on Linux yet....It makes me feel bad because I have 60gb of music and my wife can't get to any of it
[04:37] <Butters|XGH|Snip> alisson, nah I get the same error no matter what I do
[04:37] <alisson> Butters|XGH|Snip, this is very strange!!!!
[04:38] <alisson> Butters|XGH|Snip, do you want my smb.conf file?
[04:38] <Butters|XGH|Snip> alisson, sure I'm up for trying it
[04:39] <alisson> how can I send it you?
[04:40] <xero> i just booted of the new preview livecd, and i cannot do dchcpcd... does anybody know what im doing wrong?
[04:42] <farruinn> erm, what is dhcpcd? I have a full install and don't have it...
[04:42] <farruinn> oh, dchcpcd...
[04:42] <farruinn> don't have that either
[04:43] <tofu> alisson, in pppconfig it keeps asking me for tone/pulse dailing and the number i dial to given by my isp. what am i supposed to do if i have ethernet and dont dail to them..
[04:43] <sol> do you mean dhcpd?
[04:43] <alisson> tofu, i have never depared with it
[04:43] <tofu> hmm
[04:44] <hou5ton> farruinn:   ok ... got that hoary running. ....
[04:45] <GammaRay> does hoary have a light install option?
[04:45] <farruinn> hou5ton: awesome, everything working alright?
[04:45] <farruinn> GammaRay: server I think is light
[04:46] <xero> why doesnt the ubuntu livecd have dhcpcd
[04:46] <hou5ton> pretty much ... so far ... i saw it listed a couple errors on boot, ...and I need to change my grub back
[04:46] <Tiscan> Ubuntu is pretty darn nice... I have to admit it.
[04:46] <hou5ton> farruinn:   where is grub .. ?  boot/grub/grub.conf?
[04:46] <Tiscan> I think this means I have to stop hating Debian.  hehe
[04:46] <CompotatoJ> /etc/grub.conf
[04:47] <CompotatoJ> lol jk
[04:47] <farruinn> xero: erm, dhcpcd is in universe, is there something specifically you need it for?
[04:47] <farruinn> is the default dhcp client not working?
[04:48] <GammaRay> hou5ton: try /boot/grub/menu.lst
[04:48] <farruinn> hou5ton: I don't know offhand, I don't have a pc.  Do a sudo updatedb then a search
[04:48] <farruinn> or listen to GammaRay =)
[04:48] <hou5ton> GammaRay:   ah ... that's right
[04:48] <GammaRay> updatedb? tisk tisk.. use find.. be a man :-P~
[04:48] <farruinn> hou5ton: dpkg -L [package]  will always tell you what files are installed by a package
[04:49] <xero> farruinn: i cannot get internet up on my laptop on the livecd
[04:50] <xero> and so i type in dhcpcd and it says there is no such file
[04:50] <farruinn> GammaRay: heh, I never knew about find, always used locate...
[04:50] <Burgundavia> xero: dhclient
[04:50] <farruinn> that should be running anyway though, right?
[04:50] <Burgundavia> you can use dhclient to get an address
[04:51] <farruinn> ah
[04:51] <Burgundavia> it is not a daemon, AFAICM
[04:51] <GammaRay> M?
[04:51] <evilbutters> I was trying to install xserver-xorg and I get this sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg
[04:52] <evilbutters> Setting up xserver-xorg (6.8.2-2) ...
[04:52] <evilbutters> xserver-xorg postinst warning: not updating /etc/X11/xorg.conf; file has
[04:52] <evilbutters>    been customized
[04:52] <KingArthur> ok. someone, I need an install of linux that I can install on a USB flash drive.  Any way I can do that with this install?
[04:52] <evilbutters> any ideas?
[04:52] <xero> Burgundavia: thanks
[04:52] <tritium> evilbutters, read the top lines of /etc/X11/xorg.conf about what to do when you've modified the file, and thus changed the md5sum
[04:52] <GammaRay> evilbutters: md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf > somewhere is /usr I forgot
[04:52] <factotum> if i want to create a dir that i could access from this machine, would that be done with nfs or something? I want to try to mount it a boot time.
[04:52] <geneo91> KingArthur:  try dsl
[04:53] <factotum> they are both connected via router
[04:53] <Burgundavia> farruinn: mybad, it does run as a daemon
[04:53] <farruinn> Burgundavia: I was just looking at the man page and was thinking that =)
[04:53] <Burgundavia> farruinn: I was looking at my process listing
[04:53] <PacoBCN> f*cking Enemy Territory... so adicting
[04:53] <Burgundavia> farruinn: but you can manually call it
[04:54] <factotum> or should I just yank the other box from the router and directly connect it to this one using another nic card on this system? Im not concerned about modem access on the other box.
[04:54] <hou5ton>   :) ... well .... where is Synaptic at now?   in hoary?
[04:54] <hou5ton> don't see it in the menu
[04:55] <hou5ton> I would think it would be in System/ADministration
[04:55] <tritium> hou5ton, System->Admint
[04:55] <Tiscan> hou5ton: System -> Administration
[04:55] <KingArthur> thanks.  Is that the only one that will work?  I tried doing a partition resize on my laptop to condense the data on the HD and create contigious free space using partition magic.  Well, that failed, and now windows will not boot.  Keeps giving me the blue screen.  Now I'm pretty much screwed, and want to see if I can come up with ANY way to recover data.
[04:55] <hone> PacoBCN: yeah it is
[04:55] <PacoBCN> we need our own ubuntu server
[04:55] <hone> hmm I can't get sound in quake 1 or 2, what gives?
[04:55] <PacoBCN> for Enemy Territory
[04:55] <KingArthur> so, I'm going to use my MP3 player as a bootable linux drive, since it can read but not write NTFS.
[04:55] <hone> PacoBCN: heh
[04:56] <KingArthur> anyone know if DSL will work with WiFi from intel centrino chipsets?
[04:56] <evilbutters> when I tried to fix the xorg.conf I get this
[04:56] <evilbutters> root@ubuntu:/home/evilbutters # cp /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.custom
[04:56] <evilbutters> root@ubuntu:/home/evilbutters # md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 >/var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum
[04:56] <evilbutters> root@ubuntu:/home/evilbutters # dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[04:56] <evilbutters> /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: xserver-xfree86 is broken or not fully installed
[04:56] <geneo91> it may
[04:56] <jsgotangco> it will
[04:56] <hou5ton> tritium:   Tiscan  ... sorry guys ... but there is nothing there named Synaptic
[04:56] <jsgotangco> depends on the chipset
[04:56] <jsgotangco> i am using a centrino laptop
[04:57] <tritium> evilbutters, I thought it was xorg.conf, not XF86Config-4.  Which do you have?
[04:57] <geneo91> jsgotangco:  we are talking damn small linux
[04:57] <tritium> hou5ton, I'm thinking you did a dist-upgrade, and didn't notice that synaptic got removed...
[04:57] <hou5ton> hmmm ....
[04:57] <farruinn> hou5ton: you have ubuntu-desktop installed?
[04:57] <KingArthur> ok, thanks guys.  Be back if it fails or works probably ;-)
[04:57] <hou5ton> ok
[04:58] <hou5ton> farruinn:   ya .. everything else seems to be here and working
[04:58] <hou5ton> the whole Gnome Ubuntu desktop
[04:58] <Tiscan> hou5ton: You are looking under the System menu that is 2 to the right of the Applications menu correct?
[04:58] <hou5ton> but Synaptic is NOT in System/Admin ....
[04:58] <tritium> hou5ton, if you have ubuntu-desktop installed, then you should have synaptic, as it is a dependency
[04:59] <hou5ton> Tiscan:   yes
[04:59] <Tiscan> hou5ton: Not System Tools under Applications
[04:59] <evilbutters> when I went to XORG, thats what it had to fix it
[04:59] <tritium> hou5ton, apt-cache policy ubuntu-desktop
[04:59] <geneo91> hou5ton:  try apt-get install synaptic
[04:59] <h> is it better to do a fresh install of the preview release or just do a dist-upgrade?
[05:00] <farruinn> h: I did a fresh install the other day and it went nicely
[05:00] <tritium> hou5ton, if apt-cache policy ubunut-desktop shows that it's not installed, you'll want to install it, and it will pull in synaptic
[05:00] <geneo91> either way its going to be almost the same update
[05:00] <tritium> s/ubunut/ubuntu
[05:00] <farruinn> h: it would allow you to test the installer on your machine
[05:00] <hou5ton> it wasn't installed ....
[05:00] <hou5ton> geneo91:   I did the apt-get ... and it's there now
[05:00] <hou5ton> Thanks a bunch
[05:00] <tritium> hou5ton, you better install ubuntu-desktop as well, then
[05:01] <geneo91> why maybe he dont want OO
[05:01] <hou5ton> oh .. i thought I had that since I have this nice looking desktop after the install
[05:01] <Burgundavia> SiRrUs: cyrus!!!
[05:01] <tritium> hou5ton, see my previous comments to you
[05:01] <Burgundavia> SiRrUs: didn't know you were an Ubuntu person
[05:02] <geneo91> hou5ton:  if you need OO ok but if not dont worry about it
[05:02] <tritium> geneo91, it's much more than just OO
[05:02] <SiRrUs> Burgundavia of course I am why :)
[05:02] <hou5ton> tritium:   oh ... i see ... I should do apt-get ubuntu-desktop ... and it would have got it all
[05:02] <tritium> hou5ton, yeah
[05:02] <hou5ton> and I do need OO
[05:02] <hou5ton> thanks
[05:02] <tritium> sure
[05:02] <geneo91> yeah a bunch of bloat
[05:02] <noobee> ummm, can anyone tell me how to force nautilus to regenerate thumbnails?  I removed ~/.thumbnails and "kill -9 -1" but no avail.  Any ideas?
[05:02] <Burgundavia> SiRrUs: this is cyrus of arbutus, right?
[05:02] <tritium> geneo91, your opinion.  Let him decide for himself.
[05:03] <SiRrUs> Burgundavia nope
[05:03] <Burgundavia> SiRrUs: now that is funny
[05:03] <Burgundavia> SiRrUs: I happen to know another cyrus, from the west coast, with the same screen name
[05:03] <geneo91> tritium:  i use mine for multimedia so i dont need office app
[05:04] <tritium> geneo91, that's fine.
[05:04] <SiRrUs> yeah small world ;)
[05:04] <EsK> i just installed ubuntu :)
[05:04] <Burgundavia> SiRrUs: very small world. nice to meet you btw
[05:05] <tritium> geneo91, I use mine for scientific computing, so neither do I, but that's not the point.  It's about choice for each user.
[05:05] <SiRrUs> Burgundavia yeah it is and same to you
[05:05] <geneo91> i like to pick and choose not be forced
[05:06] <tritium> geneo91, exactly.  Everybody has choice.  He said he needed OO, and he wanted ubuntu-desktop.  That was his choice to make.
[05:06] <geneo91> well i did ask
[05:08] <tritium> geneo91, I know.  We're good.  :)
[05:09] <geneo91> i wish they would make an installer for just such options
[05:09] <farruinn> Is files not appearing on the desktop a known problem?
[05:09] <tritium> geneo91, I believe there is an expert or custom installation option
[05:09] <farruinn> (I vaguely remember reading about it) - in hoary
[05:10] <geneo91> game station ,multimedia station, or office station would do
[05:10] <dle> Hello.  I'm having a bit of trouble performing today's kernel upgrade.  The package 'linux-image-2.6-386' is being kept back, but that appears to be a different one than in the bulletin.  Any thoughts?
[05:10] <hou5ton> ok ... looks like everything is in order .. but I notice on booting it lists two errors that move too fast for me to read them all ... but have to do with pciehp  ... and some lib
[05:11] <tritium> hou5ton, pciehp error can be ignored.  If you dislike the error, you can blacklist that module.
[05:11] <geneo91> hou5ton:  /var/log/system
[05:11] <hou5ton> /var/log/system
[05:12] <geneo91> yeah it would show you what you missed
[05:12] <geneo91> should be a boot log also
[05:12] <hou5ton> how do i enter that so it shows me the results?
[05:13] <tritium> hou5ton, less /var/log/system
[05:13] <geneo91> you can do gedit /var/log/system
[05:13] <hou5ton> less /var/log/system
[05:14] <hou5ton> it says no such file or dir
[05:14] <tritium> hou5ton, you can also check dmesg (e.g. dmesg | less)
[05:14] <farruinn> s/sytem/syslog I think
[05:15] <tritium> farruinn, you're right.  my bad, hou5ton
[05:15] <geneo91> i cant do it now have to much going on
[05:15] <tritium> do what?
[05:16] <geneo91> i like to use gedit cause it has more functions
[05:17] <tritium> hou5ton, anyway, you might want to add "pciehp", and possibly "shpchp" to your /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[05:18] <hou5ton> tritium:   ok ... by the way ... what are they?
[05:19] <tritium> hou5ton, pciehp is PCI Express Hotplug Controller
[05:20] <dle> I find Deb/Ubuntu's kernel packaging confusing.
[05:20] <tritium> hou5ton, shpchp is Standard Hotplug PCI Controller Driver
[05:20] <adoyrestamon> hoary live is pretty sweet
[05:20] <tritium> dle, it's nice to have kernels under package management, though
[05:21] <adoyrestamon> running in qemu on my suse box
[05:21] <Copons> Hi, i am having problems printing
[05:21] <Copons> i am using hoary
[05:21] <dle> tritium: Yes, but Ubu's not alone in that. I can't make head or tail of them.
[05:22] <tritium> dle, what aspect?
[05:22] <dle> the naming and the dependecy relationships.
[05:23] <DrSirLuminair> ubu
[05:23] <DrSirLuminair> pupu
[05:25] <Copons> it seems everything its working fine the tray icon even says that its printing but nothing happens
[05:27] <dle> Has anyone else successfully upgraded after today's bulletin?  [USN-95-1] 
[05:28] <SiRrUs> hmmm what did i miss what bulletin
[05:29] <dle> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/usn/usn-95-1
[05:29] <conner> security issue in kernel 2.6.8
[05:29] <farruinn> Anyone know of a way to turn off icons in the menus in KDE?
[05:30] <tritium> dle, yes, I upgraded that kernel, but I'm running Hoary, anyway, so I don't boot into that kernel.
[05:30] <conner> I'm running 2.6.10-4-686 so it doesn't affect me.
[05:30] <crimsun> you should be running 2.6.10-5-686
[05:30] <tritium> conner, not 2.6.10-5?
[05:31] <dle> I'm not sure it's available, despite the bulletin.
[05:31] <conner> tritium: nope. Let me sign off, upgrade and reboot.
[05:31] <tritium> dle, it is, as I already installed it.
[05:31] <SiRrUs> i am running 2.6.10-5-686
[05:32] <dle> tritium: Odd. I've updated, but the only ones available are -3 thru -5.
[05:32] <SiRrUs> dle are you using hoary or warty?
[05:33] <dle> warty
[05:33] <SiRrUs> maybe thats why
[05:33] <dle> Hrm?  The update is apropos warty.
[05:33] <tritium> (or anyone who still has the 2.6.8 kernel installed)
[05:34] <dle> I don't understand this at all.
[05:34] <tritium> dle, do you have warty-security repo in your sources.list?
[05:35] <dle> tritiumL yes.
[05:35] <andrewski> so the Human mouse cursors are back in ubuntu-artwork; how do i get them to show up by default?
[05:35] <dle> tritium: yes
[05:35] <tritium> andrewski, one way is to install gcursor, and use it to select your icon theme
[05:36] <andrewski> tritium: that's only per-user.
[05:36] <tritium> dle, hmm...
[05:36] <farruinn> dle: do you have warty-updates?
[05:36] <andrewski> tritium: and i know how to add it to .Xdefaults anyway.
[05:36] <tritium> andrewski, yes.  You can update the alternative
[05:36] <dle> farruinn: is that an apt source?
[05:36] <andrewski> tritium: alternative?
[05:37] <tritium> andrewski, in /etc/alternatives, you can update x-cursor-theme
[05:37] <farruinn> dle: iirc, yes (I'm on hoary now), just copy one of your warty lines and change warty to warty-updates
[05:37] <andrewski> tritium: ah, ok.  thanks.
[05:37] <tritium> andrewski, man update-alternatives
[05:37] <tritium> and see the README in /etc/alternatives
[05:37] <andrewski> tritium: debian is a different world.
[05:37] <tritium> andrewski, what are you coming from?
[05:38] <andrewski> tritium: gentoo, but about two months ago now.
[05:38] <tritium> farruinn, shouldn't that be in warty-security, though?
[05:38] <tritium> andrewski, cool.  Welcome aboard!
[05:38] <andrewski> tritium: thanks, you (in part) have helped make the transition pretty easy. :D
[05:39] <tritium> andrewski, thanks :)
[05:39] <farruinn> tritium: iirc I had a warty-updates in my soureces.list
[05:39] <tritium> farruinn, dle:  apt-cache policy shows that it came from warty-security
[05:39] <farruinn> sources.list even, in addition to warty-security
[05:39] <dle> farruinn: interesting. I wonder how that eluded me until now.  ANyway, it does not solve my kernel problem.
[05:41] <deadwarty> hi all. my /var/lib/dpkg/available file died horrible
[05:41] <tritium> dle, I guess your mirror is slow to sync
[05:41] <deadwarty> is there a way to rebuild it?
[05:42] <deadwarty> apt died yesterday knocking out glibc and grep etc. i fixed the libc stuff by renaming the dkp-tmp files. but now it won't let me install things without a /var/lib/dpkg/available file
[05:42] <crimsun> deadwarty: you don't have a /var/lib/dpkg/available-old?
[05:42] <icebalm> lame, no gnome menu editor
[05:43] <crimsun> there's a user-seeded python-based one, icebalm.
[05:43] <deadwarty> crimsun: it's corrupted
[05:43] <crimsun> search the ubuntu-user mailing list archive.
[05:43] <deadwarty> both are
[05:43] <icebalm> gah
[05:43] <deadwarty> hm
[05:43] <dle> tritium: http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[05:44] <crimsun> deadwarty: sec.
[05:44] <icebalm> the python gnome menu editor is corrupted?
[05:44] <andrewski> tritium: so, i tried 'update-alternatives --config x-cursor-theme', but the Human theme wasn't listed.  how do i add it (and give it high priority)?
[05:45] <crimsun> deadwarty: run sudo dselect update
[05:45] <tritium> andrewski, you're right...hmm, I don't know.  That sounds like a problem with the package
[05:45] <tritium> dle, what?
[05:45] <andrewski> tritium: should i try 'dpkg-reconfigure ubuntu-artwork'?
[05:46] <tritium> andrewski, I saw a discussion about this the other day.  I think it's a problem.  Any way you can just hang on until the problems are resolved?  perhaps use gcursor in the mean time?
[05:46] <dle> tritium: that's the mirror I'm using (if it's a mirror at all).
[05:46] <andrewski> tritium: yeah, no problem; i'll double-check bugzilla to be sure it's been reported.
[05:46] <tritium> andrewski, sorry, buddy
[05:46] <deadwarty> my friend just told me how to rebuild the available file. it's dselect update
[05:47] <andrewski> tritium: it's really no problem; i like squashing bugs.
[05:47] <crimsun> deadwarty: I just told you that.
[05:47] <tritium> :)
[05:47] <deadwarty> crimsun: awe, missed that. thanks
[05:47] <tritium> deadwarty, now you can change your nick to livewarty :)
[05:47] <livewarty> ;)
[05:47] <tritium> heh
[05:48] <livewarty> we'll see. first i need to get a bunch of things like grep reinstalled
[05:49] <icebalm> easy way to get rid of windows: write your grub bootsector to that partition by mistake
[05:51] <tritium> icebalm, window's fdisk /mbr doesn't recover it?
[05:51] <icebalm> tritium: winxp has no fdisk
[05:51] <DarthFrog> icebalm: You can recover from that.
[05:51] <tritium> oh, how convenient
[05:51] <icebalm> tritium: can't boot it anyways, that's where it's chainloader is stored :D
[05:51] <icebalm> DarthFrog: I know
[05:52] <icebalm> and I eventually will I suppose
[05:52] <tritium> icebalm, you didn't by chance make a WinXP boot disk, I'm taking it?
[05:52] <icebalm> but not today :D
[05:52] <DarthFrog> On the other hand, it's a good opportunity to make the switch completely. :-)
[05:52] <tritium> icebalm, do you have important data on your XP partition?
[05:53] <icebalm> tritium: I have winxp live cd's with recover tools, I'm covered
[05:53] <icebalm> tritium: not that one :D
[05:53] <redissexy> guys, anyone knows why the latest kernel versions may have some conflicts with GTK+? ANy pointers?
[05:53] <tritium> icebalm, oh, I didn't know there were live CDs for XP
[05:53] <icebalm> tritium: bartpe
[05:53] <lunitik> redissexy: why are you assuming they do? what is giving you that idea?
[05:54] <tritium> icebalm, oh, interesting
[05:54] <andrewski> alright, tritium, it's in and ready to be squashed.  it looked on another (unrelated) bug like it's going to fixed soon, now that hoary's out.
[05:54] <andrewski> later!
[05:54] <redissexy> lunitik, Linux heaven 2.6.10-5-386 and Linux heaven 2.6.10-4-386 crash my Ruby-GNOME2 apps when I open some dialogs and Linux heaven 2.6.10-3-386 and below do not
[05:55] <dle> tritium: what mirror do you use for security?
[05:55] <tritium> dle: deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted
[05:55] <tritium> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted
[05:56] <tyler_> Yoyoma. How does one make gnome log in as su?
[05:56] <tritium> icebalm, any idea if you can run bartpe in qemu on linux ?
[05:57] <dle> tritium: same here.  Colour me baffled.
[05:57] <R0bNyc> tyler_, sudo su
[05:57] <icebalm> tritium: no idea, don't know what qemu is
[05:58] <icebalm> http://interex.com/pubcontent/enterprise/mar01/f5peters.html  <-- this looks nice, why can't I find it? :(
[05:58] <tritium> icebalm, http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/
[05:58] <tritium> there's no menu editor for gnome 2.10 at present
[05:59] <icebalm> that looks like a good one tho...
[06:00] <R0bNyc> theres no universe or multiverse on hoary preview?
[06:00] <DarthFrog> R0bNyc: Yes there is.
[06:00] <tritium> R0bNyc, Hoary has both
[06:00] <R0bNyc> i dont seem to have
[06:00] <R0bNyc> err
[06:00] <tritium> add them
[06:00] <R0bNyc> w00t
[06:00] <R0bNyc> arent they suppose to be there already
[06:00] <Hayden> whats the lastest version of debian? has it got a codename?
[06:01] <tyler_> Thanks RobNyc
[06:01] <ironwolf> R0bNyc: sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list ; may help you. :)
[06:01] <farruinn> no, they're "unsupported" which is why they aren't
[06:01] <tritium> Hayden, the upcoming version is Sarge.
[06:01] <tyler_> Anyone using hoary?
[06:01] <tritium> yes, tyler_
[06:01] <R0bNyc> ironwolf, thanks I thought they would show up in synaptic lol
[06:01] <ironwolf> tyler_: yes
[06:01] <Hayden> tritium, ok, whats the latest stable version called?
[06:01] <R0bNyc> tyler_, I am and a few others
[06:02] <ironwolf> Hayden: woody
[06:02] <Hayden> ok thanks
[06:02] <tyler_> did you find that you could modify the properties of menu items, icons etc, like you could in warthog? The option is no longer available to me
[06:02] <Hayden> i installed xebian on my xbox and left it for a couple months doing nothing
[06:02] <tyler_> Which others ROb?
[06:02] <R0bNyc> I have to uncomment these 2 lines and add multiverse like this right
[06:02] <R0bNyc> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe multiverse
[06:02] <R0bNyc> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe multiverse
[06:02] <elmaya> hello
[06:02] <tritium> tyler_, no.  That's a known issue.
[06:02] <elmaya> any1 has a linksys usb wireless working on ubuntu?
[06:03] <tyler_> OH I see, so the next update will change it?
[06:03] <tyler_> Well, the stable ver I mean
[06:03] <farruinn>  think it's slated for gnome 2.12 (anyone?)
[06:03] <tritium> tyler_, I'm afraid it may be some time before we see a menu editor for gnome 2.10
[06:03] <ironwolf> anyone know a good web sucker? I used to use www.quadsucker.com/ultraweb but I'm trying to stay linux for now.
[06:03] <tritium> ah, perhaps not until 2.12
[06:03] <tyler_> Oh, it's a gnome issue. But I don't get it, I could do it in warty, why did they take it away?
[06:04] <farruinn> tyler_: the whole menu subsystem has changed
[06:04] <farruinn> the gnome developers have to create entirely new code to make it work
[06:04] <tritium> tyler_, gnome has adopted the freedesktop.org standards, and this is a transitional pain
[06:04] <tyler_> Oh, Well its for the worse! :)
[06:05] <tyler_> oh okay, fair enough
[06:05] <tritium> tyler_, not in the long run...
[06:05] <farruinn> tyler_: use at your own risk: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=19673
[06:05] <tyler_> Theme installer has some issues too. But I guess I should be bug reporting rather than bitching
[06:05] <farruinn> I've added all of one menus with his tool, no problems yet :D
[06:05] <tyler_> Oo, I like risky endeavours
[06:06] <Burgundavia> tyler_: yes
[06:06] <Hayden> if i changed the sources.list in debian to the ubuntu sources would it work?
[06:06] <crimsun> yes
[06:06] <Hayden> hmm
[06:06] <crimsun> but it's HIGHLY not recommended
[06:06] <Hayden> ok
[06:07] <Burgundavia> Hayden: there is a debian migration path page
[06:07] <Hayden> ok
[06:07] <Burgundavia> Hayden: let me find it for you
[06:07] <ironwolf> Hayden: from debian --> ubuntu? or from ubuntu --> debian?
[06:07] <tritium> Hayden, probably even riskier with xebian on xbox
[06:07] <Hayden> deb->ubuntu
[06:07] <Hayden> tritium yea i know
[06:08] <ironwolf> Hayden: either way it'll "work" for some value of work.... but I'm a risk taker, and I wouldn't....unexpected results is the best possible scenario I think.
[06:08] <crimsun> trust me, it does work, but YOU will get cruft.
[06:08] <Hayden> cruft?
[06:09] <crimsun> menu items placed improperly, applications not working correctly due to differing dependencies, etc.
[06:09] <ironwolf> Hayden: if you don't know, just say no.. *Crimsun: you're braver than I thought if you *KNOW* it works.*
[06:09] <Hayden> yep
[06:10] <crimsun> ironwolf: this machine is pinned to Sid and updates every 35 minutes from Hoary.
[06:10] <Hayden> i think i might leave it then guys :)
[06:10] <crimsun> Hayden: it's much better to do a clean install, that way you can bug us when things don't work :-)
[06:10] <Hayden> yea
[06:11] <hou5ton> you know ... there is one thing that isn't working since upgrading to hoary ... sounds in XChat.  They worked before ... and all my other sounds are working ????
[06:11] <Hayden> crimsun: but debian is on my xbox so i cant really do a fresh install
[06:11] <crimsun> Hayden: if you have a hankering for tweaking, build a hoary chroot and add a chrooted hoary gdm session to /etc/inittab :-)
[06:11] <Hayden> ok
[06:12] <crimsun> that way you can run Sid and Hoary simultaneously.
[06:12] <R0bNyc> anyone here using apollon
[06:12] <Hayden> crimsun: ok thanks ill look into it
[06:12] <crimsun> but -- it's unsupported and unrecommended.
[06:12] <Hayden> yep
[06:13] <farruinn> hou5ton: make sure xchat is using esd?
[06:13] <hou5ton> k
[06:15] <FAST> anyone else have problems with totem? for example, you pause a video, and then hit play to resume, but an error message comes up about audio device in use, and then the video is closed?
[06:17] <Burgundavia> FAST: I did have that issue in the past. I have solved it since. This is months ago. Sorry, but I don't remember what I did. Question:Are you using totem-xine or gstreamer?
[06:18] <tritium> well, time to transform and roll out...good night all.
[06:18] <crimsun> ni tritium
[06:19] <icebalm> uhm, why does fam want to remove gnome when I try to install it
[06:19] <FAST> Burgundavia, i dont recall.  but ive been using Xine to play videos now, and it works really well
[06:19] <stuNNed_> icebalm: hi, use gamin instead
[06:19] <hou5ton> what is the fastest way to find out where something is ...   like an app .. or like esd?
[06:20] <FAST> just a shame that the usability of xine couldnt be the same for totem, since totem would be a nice app to load up fast to play video from the web
[06:20] <icebalm> stuNNed_: gamin huh?
[06:20] <sean__> hey  all
[06:20] <stuNNed_> yeah it is replacement or soemthing, icebalm
[06:20] <stuNNed_> hi sean__
[06:21] <icebalm> stuNNed_: Gamin is a file and directory monitoring system defined to be a subset of the FAM (File Alteration Monitor) system.
[06:21] <icebalm> stuNNed_: subset is a replacement?
[06:21] <stuNNed_> icebalm: *or something* ?
[06:22] <farruinn> icebalm: I don't think you need it, I installed hoary the other day from preview cd and it wasn't installed
[06:22] <Burgundavia> FAST: hmm
[06:22] <icebalm> farruinn: need no, want yes
[06:22] <Hayden> how can i find all the users from a command line
[06:23] <Hayden> the names and stuff
[06:23] <icebalm> farruinn: hoary also didn't install prelink, doesn't mean that stopped me from installing and prelinking my binaries
[06:23] <R0bNyc> why is my laptop clocked at a 530 mhz /sys
[06:23] <R0bNyc> SysInfo: Linux 2.6.10-4-386 |  mobile AMD Athlon(tm) XP2800+ 530.023 MHz | Bogomips: 1052.67 | Mem: 566/694M [||||||||||]  | Diskspace: 27.07G Free: 23.82G | Procs: 75 | Uptime: 31 mins 23 secs  | Load: 0.28 0.27 0.29  | Vpenis: 35.6 cm | Screen: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility U1 @ 1024x768 (24 bpp) | eth0: In: 88.43M Out: 2.35M
[06:28] <beowuff> Why is hotplug "kept back" when using apt-get?
[06:29] <touch> Hello there. Is it possible for me to customise ubuntu 5.04 live CD? HOW?
[06:30] <Anubis>  acroread
[06:30] <Anubis> /usr/bin/acroread: line 12: /usr/lib/Acrobat5/bin/acroread: No such file or directory
[06:30] <raydogg> touch, http://www.krungkuene.org/krung/tech/03/remaster_morphix/index_en.php
[06:31] <touch> Thanks. :)
[06:31] <hou5ton> i just updated to hoary, but had backported xchat.  is that why i can't get the sounds to work?
[06:31] <hou5ton> Should i uninstall it and reinstall it?
[06:32] <hou5ton> in Synaptic, ... it still shows the current Xchat as the backported Warty
[06:32] <crimsun> that's what's wrong with backports
[06:32] <crimsun> most of them are versioned incorrectly
[06:33] <billytwowilly> heh
[06:33] <deFrysk> so kde3.4 is in hoary
[06:33] <billytwowilly> yay! a cool program has strange requirements! darn you all to heck strange python packages.
[06:33] <deFrysk> is hoary the first with that ?
[06:33] <crimsun> deFrysk: yep.
[06:34] <billytwowilly> yes kde3.4 is in hoary
[06:34] <ironwolf> crimsun: that's insane.
[06:34] <deFrysk> its not even announced yet on kde
[06:34] <billytwowilly> it's probably a rc or something
[06:34] <crimsun> packagers have access to source tarballs 1 week before the announcements go live.
[06:34] <deFrysk> billytwowilly, nope its also in stable ftp of kde
[06:34] <billytwowilly> or that;)
[06:35] <billytwowilly> now a real question would be: when is profitpy going to get packaged??;)
[06:35] <deFrysk> and acroread7
[06:35] <crimsun> package it and I'll consider sponsoring it, billytwowilly. ;-)
[06:35] <billytwowilly> acroread is a steaming pile of memory leak...
[06:36] <deFrysk> billytwowilly, oh my
[06:37] <crimsun> that's right, use evince instead ;-)
[06:37] <billytwowilly> crimsun, to package profitpy I would have to package 3 or 4 other python bits.. to package those bits I would have to understand how apt works...
[06:38] <billytwowilly> Perhaps I'll look into it in the summer.
[06:38] <crimsun> billytwowilly: those "3 to 4 other python bits" aren't already packaged?
[06:38] <billytwowilly> crimsun, not in hoary.
[06:39] <billytwowilly> atleast synaptic didn't find them
[06:39] <billytwowilly> pykde, pyqwt, ibpy
[06:41] <beowuff> exit
[06:42] <crimsun> billytwowilly: apt-cache search python kde
[06:43] <crimsun> what is qwt?
[06:43] <crimsun> do you mean "qt"?
[06:43] <crimsun> if so, apt-cache search python qt :-)
[06:44] <billytwowilly>  http://sourceforge.net/projects/pyqwt/
[06:44] <Hayden> i need some help installing apache
[06:44] <thully> hi - has anyone here transferred music to an iPod with gnupod (as opposed to gtkpod)
[06:44] <Hayden> i've done apt-get apache, and apt-get php4
[06:44] <Hayden> but i cant get to the website
[06:45] <billytwowilly> crimsun,  http://sourceforge.net/projects/pyqwt/
[06:45] <crimsun> Hayden: dpkg -l libapache2-mod-php4|grep ^ii
[06:45] <Hayden> No packages found matching libapache2-mod-php4.
[06:45] <crimsun> Hayden: warty?
[06:46] <Hayden> xbox :!
[06:46] <Zotnix> l
[06:46] <Zotnix> score
[06:46] <Zotnix> .. woah. Wrong room
[06:46] <Zotnix> Wrong application too.
[06:46] <thully> If anyone here knows about gnupod - i'm wondering - if you did a gnupod_addsong.pl -m /media/ipod ~/Music/*, would it only transfer new/changed songs to the iPod?
[06:47] <billytwowilly> here's a question for all you lawyer types: Most of the software that is GPL'd has this line or something similar in the licence:"This document may be used under the terms the GNU General Public License version 2 or higher." What stops me from writing GPL version 3 that says "all your code are belong to me"?
[06:48] <thully> it says "as publish by the Free Software Foundation in most of those "or later" clauses"
[06:48] <thully> published
[06:50] <billytwowilly> thully, well, the debian new maintainter's guide can be yours for only a short paragraph of writing;) I'm happy to hear it will be slightly harder to steal actual code;)
[06:50] <thully> IANAL, though
[06:50] <billytwowilly> neither am I. I'm just good at thinking up devious things;)
[06:52] <DazeD||laptop> ok need help big time
[06:53] <thully> does anybody here know if you can set rhythmbox to automatically recognize new music files in a directory that are added by other programs?
[06:53] <DazeD||laptop> i just upgraded from warty to hoary on my laptop....now all that is displayed is the top left corner of my laptop monitor, and all that the desktop displays is the top half of the desktop....how can i fix this mind you im on Windows right now what can i do when i cant even launch applications??
[06:54] <farruinn> thully: doesn't it scan its music folder when it starts?
[06:54] <crimsun> farruinn: not for new items, no.
[06:54] <R0bNyc> Anyone here heard of this qemu emulator you can run linux or windows under qemu (while in Linux) http://www.dslreports.com/r0/download/767245~93ac1852d0c317c2cd293db9db9b50ef/kdedesktop3.png
[06:54] <thully> it should...
[06:54] <crimsun> farruinn: only to verify that its current library is valid
[06:54] <thully> any way to do something like I was saying?
[06:55] <R0bNyc> anyone here using 2.6.11 ?
[06:55] <DazeD||laptop> i just upgraded from warty to hoary on my laptop....now all that is displayed is the top left corner of my laptop monitor, and all that the desktop displays is the top half of the desktop....how can i fix this mind you im on Windows right now what can i do when i cant even launch applications??
[06:55] <crimsun> thully: ask in #rhythmbox on ircd.gnome.org
[06:55] <farruinn> thully: I think amarok does that if you want to install a kde app (you'll have to figure out how to make it use esd though)
[06:55] <crimsun> someone should tell thully about /connect -ircnet ...
[06:56] <DazeD||laptop> anyone help me?
[06:57] <thully> where do you reckon is the best place to ask a question about gnupod?
[07:02] <odyssey> thully the mailing list?
[07:02] <odyssey> thully, tried gtkpod?
[07:03] <thully> gtkpod needs to be recompiled to support AAC files - and it needs like 6 different libraries to be compiled.
[07:03] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[07:03] <thully> I have some AAC files that I want to transfer to it (well, I don't have it yet - should be here UPS tomorrow)
[07:04] <thully> I also wanted a really simple "dump all files to iPod" solution, not a program that looks like a jukebox but isn't really one
[07:05] <domtar> i can't get aac's to play
[07:06] <thully> look at RestrictedFormats wiki - there is some info in there
[07:06] <domtar> thx
[07:06] <thully> even info on buying off iTunes music store on Linux...
[07:07] <Blabber864823788> hi all
[07:07] <thully> I figure if I do a I figure I can do a gnupod_addsong.pl -m /mnt/ipod ~/Music/* and it would detect duplicates, adding just new songs to the iPod
[07:07] <domtar> i new of that...pymusique
[07:08] <dazed> hey can i get some Hoary help please?
[07:08] <thully> I wonder why it isn't on the Slashdot front page, generating headlines...
[07:08] <inh> does anybody know how to get ubuntu onto a windows domain?
[07:08] <crimsun> dazed: don't ask to ask, just ask.
[07:08] <dazed> ok well...i just upgraded from warty to hoary on my laptop....now all that is displayed is the top left corner of my laptop monitor, and all that the desktop displays is the top half of the desktop....how can i fix this mind you im on Windows right now what can i do when i cant even launch applications??
[07:09] <dazed> im not on windows anymore
[07:09] <dazed> im on my PC
[07:09] <da_bon_bon> hey, hoary live cd can apt-get ? and save changes to a writeable medium ?
[07:09] <dazed> and i have my laptop up next to me
[07:09] <odyssey> inh samba?
[07:09] <inh> loaded and conf file edited.
[07:09] <deadcat> anyone using bootsplash on ppc?
[07:09] <thully> I wonder - on Rhythmbox you can add folders to the library, but it doesn't add new files from those folders unless you go to the add to library screen and press OK.
[07:09] <inh> but still can't access certain machines because of privelages.
[07:10] <inh> but i'm a domain admin
[07:10] <thully> Could this be considered a bug?
[07:10] <dazed> so no one has any advice???
[07:10] <crimsun> dazed: please be patient
[07:10] <deadcat> dazed: nope.
[07:10] <domtar> thully: it has always been that way...I think it's intentional
[07:11] <thully> why would someone want it that way?
[07:11] <domtar> thully: better said...I think that's as far as they've gotten
[07:11] <domtar> i agree that surely no one would want it that way
[07:12] <deadcat> someone do a apt-cache search bootsplash for me please.
[07:12] <voltron> anyone have aheros chipset working for wireless
[07:12] <thully> well, I wish they would just modify it to do the folder scan it does when the directories are added each time it is launched
[07:12] <crimsun> atheros? it/they are supported, yes.
[07:12] <thully> OK - maybe a low priority bug.. but a bug nontheless
[07:12] <dazed_> i think its a resoloution thing...its only picking pu 640x480....????
[07:13] <voltron> crimsun, it shows up as eth0
[07:13] <DarthFrog> voltron: Yes, I have an Atheros based PCMCIA card working perfectly in Hoary.
[07:13] <deadcat> anyone on a ppc right now?
[07:14] <voltron> DarthFrog, sweet, what do i have to do?
[07:14] <crimsun> dazed_: your problem description leaves much to be desired.
[07:14] <crimsun> dazed_: please tell us more about your configuration, what you were doing prior, etc.
[07:15] <thully> does anyone know if Ubuntu automatically mounts an iPod?  Do you have to do any more than reformatting as FAT32 and initializing the database using the program of your choice to get it working?
[07:16] <domtar> I don't have one but 2 ppl I know say theirs auto mounts
[07:16] <DarthFrog> voltron: Add universe/multiverse to your repositories and install linux-restricted-modules.
[07:16] <mike_douglas> thully: the iPod automatically mounted for a friend of mine.
[07:16] <CountDown> Hi all.  Is the Dell Dimension 4700 known to work under Ubuntu?  The HardwareSupport wiki page doesn't list it.
[07:16] <DarthFrog> voltron: The net interface will be ath0.
[07:17] <deadcat> CountDown: try it
[07:17] <ubuntu> i just got ubuntu
[07:17] <ubuntu> it works on this pc
[07:17] <ubuntu> but my other one did not work
[07:17] <ubuntu> i think it was video issue
[07:17] <ubuntu> it has ATI All in wonder 8700
[07:18] <CountDown> deadcat: I need to buy it first, but my decision will be affected by whether or not Ubuntu runs on it.
[07:18] <ubuntu> i guess i have to use some boot options
[07:18] <ubuntu> actually, it is the live cd
[07:18] <Anubis> major update availible!
[07:18] <CountDown> Anubis: For the live CD?
[07:18] <voltron> DarthFrog, i already have restricted-modules, and it's showing up as eth0
[07:18] <deadcat> anyone on ppc? apt-cache search bootsplash for me please.
[07:19] <Anubis> CountDown, no just for the Hoary install
[07:19] <DarthFrog> voltron: That's not it.
[07:19] <Anubis> apt-get update
[07:19] <xero> i just installed ubuntu... does anybody know what the default root passwd is?
[07:19] <CountDown> Anubis: Indeed.
[07:19] <DarthFrog> voltron: eth0 will be your on-board NIC.
[07:19] <deadcat> xero: none. the first user is root
[07:19] <Anubis> just produced a whole lot of libs and what seems to be a new Firefox
[07:19] <xero> deadcat: ?! crap
[07:19] <deadcat> xero: just sudo su -
[07:20] <voltron> DarthFrog, the onboard wired ethernet is eth1
[07:20] <xero> so, i should have made my first user be root, and then created another user?
[07:20] <GammaRay> umm no
[07:20] <DarthFrog> voltron: is the ath_pci kernel module loaded?
[07:20] <GammaRay> xero: your default user is in sudoers w/ root privs
[07:20] <CountDown> xero: No, Ubuntu is designed not to have a root user.
[07:20] <deadcat> xero: no. the first user "timmy" would have root priv. just type sudo command and enter passwd
[07:21] <thully> OK - well, I guess I'll see how it goes w/ a second generation ipod mini...
[07:21] <xero> is that ok security wize?
[07:21] <deadcat> xero: yes
[07:21] <xero> i want this to be secure'
[07:21] <xero> ok
[07:21] <deadcat> xero: nothing is secure.
[07:21] <xero> haha
[07:21] <speedy2782> How do I install Java runtime into firefox under hoary?
[07:21] <voltron> DarthFrog, oh, it wasn't, it is now. still eth1.
[07:22] <DarthFrog> voltron: And do you now have an ath0?
[07:22] <xero> ok so, if i get this straight, my user has root prevliges, hwoever the only way i can use them is to sudo su - to get them?
[07:22] <voltron> DarthFrog, no
[07:22] <GammaRay> xero: and you have to type your password
[07:22] <DarthFrog> voltron: Strange.
[07:22] <GammaRay> xero: so have a good one
[07:22] <deadcat> xero: no. "sudo command" to run the command as root. if you want the root prompt. sudo su -
[07:22] <touch> Hi there, is it possible to install ubuntu from floppy boot?
[07:23] <DarthFrog> voltron: Run dmesg, see if there is anything there that looks like a problem.
[07:23] <da_bon_bon> speedy2782: www.ubuntuguide.com
[07:23] <deadcat> somebody apt-cache search bootsplash for me PLEASE
[07:24] <da_bon_bon> deadcat: why do u need bootsplash ?
[07:24] <deadcat> da_bon_bon: on my ibook
[07:25] <dazed|> hey can someone please help...i just upgraded from warty to hoary on my laptop and now its only picking up 640x480 screen resoloution and its only displaying in the top left corner of my screen can someone PLEASE help!?
[07:25] <deadcat> dazed|: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-x<tab><tab>
[07:26] <crimsun> deadcat: you didn't answer my questions
[07:26] <crimsun> err, sorry
[07:26] <crimsun> dazed|: you didn't answer my questions
[07:26] <stub> Anyone know what size your swap partition needs to be to support suspend-to-disk? =RAM? >RAM? or is <RAM able to work?
[07:26] <touch> my laptop cannot boot with CD-ROM I have
[07:26] <dazed|> crimsun: i got kicked off of xchat didnt read em
[07:26] <crimsun> 01:14 < crimsun> dazed_: please tell us more about your configuration, what you were doing prior, etc.
[07:26] <neighborlee> is anyone else seeing xchat in preview release being a bit crashy ? ( that or i hit quit button accidentily lol)
[07:27] <deadcat> someone open a prompt and type "apt-cache search bootsplash" and tell me if it returns anything please... help a brother out.
[07:27] <ells> is anyone having any issues playing mp3s in linux thru xmms
[07:27] <odyssey> neighborlee, no, no issues
[07:27] <da_bon_bon> hey, is there anyway to get bootsplah under ubuntu ? without recompiling the kernel ? even deadcat needs it :)
[07:28] <dazed|> crimsun: i was doing nothing just playing on warty figured id update to hoary and i finished setting up packages and then i restarted and booted up hoary and it did that
[07:28] <deadcat> dazed|: i want the packages. i got the kernel part done.
[07:28] <da_bon_bon> dazed|: whats the problem ?
[07:28] <icebalm> wha, whole new build of xorg
[07:28] <dazed|> deadcat: it said /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: xserver-x is not installed
[07:29] <dazed|> da_bon_bon: i just upgraded from warty to hoary on my laptop and now its only picking up 640x480 screen resoloution and its only displaying in the top left corner of my screen
[07:29] <deadcat> dazed|: xserver-x<tab><tab> to complete. try . /etc/bash_completions then run that command again
[07:29] <neighborlee> odyssey, hm maybe I quit accidentily then
[07:29] <ciphernaut> hi
[07:29] <neighborlee> how bout any reports of flakey behavior with preview release and using reiserfs ??
[07:29] <ciphernaut> where can I find information about packages for ubuntu?
[07:30] <deadcat> ciphernaut: /topic
[07:30] <da_bon_bon> dazed|: apt-get remove xserver-xfree86
[07:30] <dazed|> deadcat: i hit tab and it doesnt finish it off.... and what are u telilng me about /etc/bash_completions
[07:30] <deadcat> dazed|: source that file. it will help you complete the tabs
[07:30] <dazed|> da_bon_bon... what are u having me do?
[07:31] <deadcat> da_bon_bon: did you help me do a search yet?
[07:31] <da_bon_bon> dazed|: remove the older X server
[07:31] <dazed|> deadcat: sorry me is a newb still i dont know what u mean by source that
[07:31] <da_bon_bon> deadcat: u will need to recompile the kernel
[07:32] <dazed|> da_bon_bon it says pacage is not installed so not removed
[07:32] <deadcat> da_bon_bon: ya. but there are splash utils. are they in .deb?
[07:32] <deadcat> dazed|: "source /etc/bash_completions", then run the dpkg command
[07:32] <da_bon_bon> dazed|: xorgconfig
[07:33] <dazed|> no such file or directory /etc/bash_completions deadcat
[07:33] <deadcat> dazed|: forget it then
[07:33] <dazed|> da_bon_bon it through out a bunch of stuff but i cant read it all cuz it displays lower then what shows on my screen
[07:33] <dazed|> through=threw*
[07:34] <da_bon_bon> dazed|: press CTRL-ALT-F1 and u will get a text console. then do xorgconfig
[07:36] <ciphernaut> deadcat: i found http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/ on  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrontPage but it appears dead
[07:37] <dazed|> da_bon_bon: what is the vertical sync range lol???
[07:37] <da_bon_bon> dazed|: read ur monitor manual
[07:37] <dazed|> i dont have one its a laptop
[07:38] <sean__> anyone get gkrellm working in worty?
[07:39] <julkie> for spanish help.. what channel?
[07:39] <da_bon_bon> dazed|: then the default one will do
[07:39] <dazed|> da_bon_bon i have no idea what im doing lol
[07:40] <ciphernaut> does ubuntu have packages for freeradius and vserver-util?
[07:40] <da_bon_bon> dazed|: if xorgxonfig dont work then try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:40] <dle> julkie: #ubuntu-es
[07:40] <julkie> tanks!
[07:41] <dle> don't machine-gun it.
[07:43] <da_bon_bon> how do i set my default browser in kde to firefox ?
[07:44] <R0bNyc> mplayer sources?
[07:45] <dazed|> da_bon_bon i configured it a bunch and its still only showing up in the left hand corner after i hit ctrl+alt+f7 to get out out of full screen terminal
[07:46] <dazed|> oh i got it
[07:46] <dazed|> everything is good to go now
[07:47] <da_bon_bon> dazed|: u need to restart x
[07:47] <underlord> is linux-k7 the best kernel image for a amd athlon xp in hoary?
[07:48] <hone> underlord: yeah or custom
[07:49] <dazed|> lol i figured that
[07:53] <tony_> Having trouble getting Xmms and Realplayer to work on hoary. all updates applied, system is G3 Pismo. Both RP and XMMS start, but hang without making a sound. Any ideas anyone?
[07:53] <jsgotangco> blah reboot
[07:54] <odyssey> reboot?
[07:54] <dazed|> with new hoary release is it a new cursor or is it just my immagination
[07:55] <da_bon_bon> dazed|: hoary uses the useless defualt X cursors which are very ugly
[07:56] <dazed|> cuz its only the preview not the full version?
[07:57] <streetbmx> i saw a set of ubuntu cursors on gnome-look, they shoudl use those
[07:59] <da_bon_bon> dazed|: no. even warty had those ugly cursors as far as i remember
[08:00] <pepsi> will the 32 bit version of ubuntu work on amd64?
[08:00] <Hayden> the 64bit version will
[08:00] <pepsi> but will the 32 bit version?
[08:00] <Boomstickz> the 32 bit version will work on a amd64
[08:00] <pepsi> ok
[08:01] <Boomstickz> works perfectly fine
[08:03] <Parsival> Anyone here using hoary on PPC?
[08:04] <edlang> to whit, from debian: ``fucked: mozilla-firefox''
[08:04] <streetbmx> my screen goes black then i try to restart x/logout/switch between consoles with fglrx driver. can anyone help, please?
[08:04] <edlang> when is it going to work again? when's dinstall run?
[08:04] <edlang> oh woo, it unfucked itself. looks like I spoke to soon. sorry.
[08:08] <linuxboy> where can i find info on the ubuntu kernel ?
[08:08] <crimsun> linuxboy: what sort of info?
[08:09] <linuxboy> crimsun: the ubuntu changes
[08:09] <crimsun> linuxboy: zless /usr/share/doc/linux-image-$(uname -r)/changelog.Debian.gz
[08:09] <linuxboy> :)
[08:09] <speedy2782> I "installed" java. But I am having problems actually getting it to work in firefox
[08:09] <speedy2782> is there more steps to getting it to work with websites
[08:09] <crimsun> speedy2782: did you follow /wiki/RestrictedFormats?
[08:10] <speedy2782> I am not sure, I used the directions from java, but there were for mozilla
[08:10] <speedy2782> and I also went through the formums but that didn't turn anything up
[08:10] <crimsun> speedy2782: did you create the symlink in the proper directory?
[08:10] <speedy2782> oh, I don't know what that is
[08:11] <speedy2782> I went and edited some stuff using gedit
[08:11] <crimsun> speedy2782: ok, what have you done thus far?
[08:11] <speedy2782> I dl the .bin from the java, and run a lot of commands
[08:12] <speedy2782> Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.5.0_02-b09)
[08:12] <crimsun> speedy2782: and in what directory did you run it?
[08:12] <crimsun> (hmm, update 2? I need to update then.)
[08:13] <speedy2782> I am not sure
[08:17] <jsgotangco> ahhh the road to hoary...
[08:29] <xero> does anybody know how to get debian packages to come up in synaptic?
[08:29] <xero> do i have to add stuff to repositories?
[08:30] <speedy2782> I believe so
[08:31] <deFrysk> universe and muliverse
[08:31] <deFrysk> multiverse
[08:36] <MyNameIsChris> Where can I apt a Java vm plugin for Firefox?
[08:37] <MyNameIsChris> In Warty
[08:37] <crimsun> MyNameIsChris: /wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:42] <MyNameIsChris> crimsun, sun-j2re1.5debian?
[08:43] <quarupt> YO
[08:43] <MyNameIsChris> quarupt, yo
[08:43] <crimsun> MyNameIsChris: sure, or you can do it manually like I just walked speedy2782 through.
[08:43] <MyNameIsChris> crimsun: I am rather lazy, thanks for the help though
[08:44] <quarupt> Why does ATI even have a channel, they are never there allways IDLE
[08:45] <crimsun> well, you might want to regard the time of day
[08:45] <crimsun> it is 0745 GMT
[08:46] <Gpl_Source> hi all :)
[08:46] <quarupt> Man, there sure is allot od updates coming in for it being so close to the release date
[08:46] <crimsun> oh don't worry, you're being spoiled.
[08:46] <Gpl_Source> someone tell me a good blog server please
[08:47] <quarupt> crimsun, what ya mean?
[08:47] <crimsun> quarupt: before the release, it will slow _considerably_
[08:47] <Myrtti> I hate OpenOffice. I made a calculation of my own with the function off the book, and then used FV()-function of OO, and the numbers differ... I need alcohol
[08:47] <crimsun> then you'll be complaining about it not being updated enough! ;-
[08:48] <crimsun> P
[08:48] <quarupt> well i just thought being what a week away from the release, that it would be pretty much done and ready
[08:49] <MyNameIsChris> crimsun, Okay, that package is unworkable. What else would you suggest?
[08:49] <quarupt> I wanna hard copy of rute or at least an Ebook or a PDF
[08:49] <crimsun> MyNameIsChris: ask speedy2782 which set of instructions he used
[08:49] <lagCisco> i just installed hoary, got into the X login screen, logged, nothing showed up on screen, so i reboot into recovery/safety mode, updated and ran dist-upgrade, same problem, after i log in, nothing is on screen, just the pointer, cant even get to a shell
[08:49] <crimsun> lagCisco: pressed ctrl+alt+F1 ?
[08:50] <MyNameIsChris> crimsun, What does the deb command do?
[08:50] <quarupt> MyNameIsChris, man deb
[08:50] <crimsun> MyNameIsChris: "the deb command"?
[08:50] <MyNameIsChris> As in "deb http://ubuntu.tower-net.de/ubuntu/ warty java"
[08:50] <kagou> hi
[08:50] <lagCisco> Ctl-alt-f1 didnt take me to the shell either
[08:50] <MyNameIsChris> kagou, Hi
[08:51] <lagCisco> tried all the F keys
[08:51] <MyNameIsChris> Doesn't seem to exist
[08:51] <quarupt> if ctl alt del didnt take you to a shell than you have problems
[08:51] <crimsun> MyNameIsChris: that's not a command
[08:51] <MyNameIsChris> I know
[08:51] <crimsun> MyNameIsChris: that's a line you append to /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:51] <quarupt> are you thinking dpkg?
[08:52] <crimsun> MyNameIsChris: man 5 sources.list
[08:52] <MyNameIsChris> It is in the same style as terminal examples at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[08:52] <quarupt> Im bored
[08:52] <quarupt> I wanna learn how to write shell scripts
[08:52] <crimsun> quarupt: tldp.org, then :-)
[08:52] <lagCisco> what can I do to fix these problems quarupt?
[08:53] <quarupt> lagCisco, I have only been using Linux for like 2 Years, this distro like 3 Months
[08:53] <crimsun> lagCisco: is the mouse cursor frozen?
[08:55] <quarupt> crimsun, When i click a pdf link it doent do anything?
[08:56] <crimsun> quarupt: dpkg -l evince|grep ^ii
[08:56] <MyNameIsChris> Can I upgrade just one repo
[08:56] <MyNameIsChris> *update
[08:56] <crimsun> "repo" referring to...?
[08:57] <MyNameIsChris> Rather than resynv every package list just one
[08:57] <MyNameIsChris> *resync
[08:57] <crimsun> like one line from /etc/apt/sources.list?
[08:57] <quarupt> root@Quar:/home/quar #  dpkg -l evince|grep ^ii
[08:57] <quarupt> No packages found matching evince.
[08:57] <MyNameIsChris> Yes please
[08:57] <crimsun> it's a bad idea, because you'll break dependencies
[08:57] <crimsun> quarupt: hoary/universe?
[08:57] <quarupt> yup
[08:58] <quarupt> i have the acroread plugin installed
[08:58] <MyNameIsChris> history -c
[08:58] <quarupt> for mozilla-firefox
[08:58] <MyNameIsChris> Oops
[08:58] <crimsun> quarupt: try evince
[08:58] <MyNameIsChris> XChat made itself the active window
[08:58] <quarupt> whats evince?
[08:58] <crimsun> quarupt: apt-cache show evince
[08:58] <MyNameIsChris> Bad is it possible?
[08:58] <MyNameIsChris> *But
[08:58] <crimsun> MyNameIsChris: yes
[08:59] <MyNameIsChris> But stupid?
[08:59] <Myrtti> very
[08:59] <quarupt> does it have a plugin for firefox?
[08:59] <mario8723> HI all
[08:59] <Myrtti> foolish, selfdistructive, a bomb waiting to explode
[09:00] <mario8723> Question for anybody that has KDE on their Ubuntu desktop right now...
[09:00] <mario8723> And Hoary
[09:01] <Myrtti> go ahead, spill it. I have gnome, but you'll not get very far if you don't ask
[09:01] <mario8723> lol
[09:01] <mario8723> How the hell do you install it?
[09:01] <trans_err> mario8723:
[09:01] <quarupt> crimsun, okay no its something wrong with my browser, cause when i click a file instead of trying to DL it just opens a blank web page with the filename in the address bar
[09:01] <Myrtti> install what
[09:01] <mario8723> I've tried just KDE, I've tried kubuntu-desktop
[09:02] <trans_err> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[09:02] <quarupt> http://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/rute.pdf.bz2
[09:02] <mario8723> I just keep getting unresolved dependecies
[09:02] <mario8723> Tried that
[09:02] <mario8723> kdepim is an unresolved dependecy and won't install
[09:02] <trans_err> mario8723: its actually kind of broken right now
[09:02] <trans_err> mario8723: there is a fix-- go to #kubuntu
[09:02] <mario8723> I'm trying to look on the forums but don't see any How To or any advice on it
[09:03] <quarupt> How can a file be pdf.bz2.pdf?
[09:03] <trans_err> mario8723: but i swear its done: http://filebox.vt.edu/users/benoist/digital1.png
[09:03] <mario8723> Sounds like a plan
[09:03] <wardead> whats the "alsaconf" command for ubunutu?
[09:03] <ia1> is there a module that provides the files in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build/include ?
[09:03] <quarupt> what am i supposed to open a file that is pdf.bz2.pdf?
[09:03] <crimsun> wardead: removed, because it's fairly ineffectual and poses a security risk.
[09:04] <wardead> ah k
[09:04] <trans_err> Quazion: its probably misnamed
[09:04] <crimsun> wardead: unless you have an ISA sound card, you shouldn't need it anyhow.
[09:05] <MyNameIsChris> That was quicker than last time
[09:06] <wardead> hmm is my soundcard supossed to be autoconfigured?
[09:06] <trans_err> wardead: try alsaconf
[09:06] <ian__> wardead: yes
[09:06] <crimsun> wardead: well, what is your sound card?
[09:06] <wardead> Sound blaster live (emu10k1)
[09:06] <crimsun> trans_err: Ubuntu removed alsaconf for two major reasons: ineffective and security hole
[09:07] <trans_err> crimsun: oops
[09:07] <crimsun> wardead: lsmod|grep ^emu10k1
[09:07] <crimsun> wardead: and, lsmod|grep ^snd_emu10k1
[09:07] <lagCisco> i just installed hoary, got into the X login screen, logged, nothing showed up on screen, so i reboot into recovery/safety mode, updated and ran dist-upgrade, same problem, after i log in, nothing is on screen, just the pointer, cant even get to a shell
[09:08] <lagCisco> my cursor is not frozen
[09:08] <lagCisco> i can move it
[09:08] <wardead> doesn't list anything
[09:08] <wardead> brb reboot
[09:08] <lagCisco> clicking either button doesnt do anything
[09:09] <ian__> looking for a .deb that provides module include files
[09:09] <crimsun> ian__: linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[09:10] <ian__> crimsun: does that include /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build/include ?
[09:10] <crimsun> ian__: it creates the valid symlink /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build, yes
[09:10] <ian__> great.  thank you
[09:11] <mario8723> Hey crimsun
[09:12] <crimsun> hi mario8723
[09:14] <mario8723> Quick question regarding the situation I'm having with my onboard sound
[09:14] <mario8723> I just purchased a Soundblaster Live 24-bit card
[09:14] <MyNameIsChris> And it turns out the download is too large, poor Chris
[09:14] <mario8723> I can just pop it in and it will be reckognized?
[09:14] <MyNameIsChris> I guess some people were never meant to ban online
[09:15] <MyNameIsChris> *bank
[09:15] <garrut> wow, "there are 85 updates available"
[09:15] <garrut> ...
[09:15] <garrut> 85 in one night?
[09:15] <crimsun> (XOrg)
[09:15] <deFrysk> kde
[09:15] <deFrysk> 3.4final
[09:16] <crimsun> mario8723: which Sound Blaster Live 24-bit?
[09:16] <crimsun> the 7.1? (please say no)
[09:16] <mario8723> Oh boy
[09:16] <mario8723> Yes, lol
[09:16] <mario8723> Haven't opened it yet and still have the receipt
[09:16] <mario8723> Guess that's a good thing
[09:16] <crimsun> yes, it does work, but you'll need to compile 'alsa-source' from universe.
[09:16] <mario8723> Oh okay
[09:17] <mario8723> That I don't mind
[09:17] <crimsun> it uses the snd-ca0106 driver.
[09:17] <crimsun> however, it is a fairly crippled sound card
[09:17] <mario8723> How so?
[09:17] <jsgotangco> why do i get the feeling that 2.6.10-5-686 is screwing up my network
[09:17] <crimsun> it lacks many of the features of the original sblive
[09:17] <kbitty> does ubuntu support a intel ethernet express 8/16 lan card?
[09:17] <MyNameIsChris> mario8723, I have 5.1 and 2.1 of them work in Ubuntu. All 6 work in Fedora
[09:17] <mario8723> What would you recommend I do?
[09:18] <crimsun> mario8723: up to you. If sound's important, install the sblive 24-bit. It does work.
[09:18] <pepsi> how do i get a package to stop being marked for upgrade?
[09:18] <crimsun> pepsi: sudo aptitude hold <packages>
[09:18] <heatxsink> anyone in here know where I can get the nvidia xv libraries?
[09:19] <crimsun> heatxsink: ...you don't? They support the Xv extension natively.
[09:19] <mario8723> But you're saying that it isn't going to support the 7.1? (which I could care less about anyway since I don't have a 7.1 installed)
[09:20] <tyler_> Hey ubuntites, Im trying to reinstall liblrdf0 using synaptic because it is broken but i come up with this msg
[09:20] <tyler_> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/libcurl2_7.12.0.is.7.11.2-1_i386.deb:  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/curl/curl-ca-bundle.crt', which is also in package libcurl3
[09:20] <crimsun> mario8723: it _does_ support the card you just bought.
[09:20] <mario8723> k
[09:20] <freex> hello world
[09:21] <mario8723> Just as long as I have sound, lol
[09:21] <tyler_> you've made your first program freex
[09:21] <mario8723> I only spend $25 on the card anyway
[09:21] <freex> hehehe, not yet but am very eager to get my hands with ubuntu
[09:21] <crimsun> mario8723: I've helped a couple people get that card working, please search the forum/u-u mailing list archive
[09:22] <mario8723> Will do
[09:22] <mario8723> Thanks again
[09:22] <crimsun> mario8723: (it uses the same driver as the audigy 2 zs)
[09:22] <tyler_> nice, yes I've learnt more about computers using ubuntu for a month than I have using windows for 10 ears
[09:22] <crimsun> tyler_: great :-)
[09:22] <mario8723> tyler: I couldn't agree more!
[09:22] <tyler_> Yeah, I agree, its nerlingeringly exciting
[09:23] <freex> can i ask a question, is there an online update also for ubuntu?
[09:23] <tyler_> yes. Us apt get
[09:24] <tyler_> check out www.ubuntuguide.org
[09:25] <mario8723> I think I'm just going to return the card
[09:25] <deFrysk> mario8723, get the cheapest card available, they always work
[09:26] <cvalstad> anybody know where I can find a guide on how to install the DWL 122 usb wireless adapter for PPC Ubuntu?
[09:26] <freex> ic, poor me, i have no idea how to use apt get, is there a site that could help me?
[09:26] <mario8723> TJat
[09:26] <mario8723> That's what I'm reading
[09:27] <mario8723> I'll just get the 5.1 card
[09:27] <tyler_> cvalstad, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-4041.html
[09:27] <mario8723> 7.1 and Ubuntu just don't seem to like each other
[09:28] <cvalstad> thanks
[09:28] <deFrysk> freex, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html  (free from google)
[09:28] <tyler_> google :)
[09:29] <mario8723> crimsun: Would you say that's a fair assesment?
[09:29] <jeff__> can someone help me please. software on my comp is dropping outgoing packages
[09:29] <crimsun> mario8723: sorry, I'm busy in another window. What assessment?
[09:30] <mario8723> That 7.1 and Ubuntu don't like each other
[09:30] <jeff__> how can i find out which one
[09:30] <freex> thank you for that, i just bookmark it
[09:30] <mario8723> Or maybe Linux in general
[09:30] <deFrysk> freex, thank/use google
[09:30] <crimsun> mario8723: the 7.1 _does_ work
[09:31] <MyNameIsChris> Hold on, it is possible to connect to my computer although my Dad's machine is the gateway. Firestarter just registered an event
[09:31] <mario8723> If you say it works, then that's good enough for me
[09:31] <jeff__> can someone help me please. software on my comp is dropping outgoing packages
[09:31] <mario8723> I know that you are knowledgable in this area...
[09:31] <mario8723> I may need some help at some point getting it going though
[09:31] <crimsun> mario8723: remember, you'll need to compile the 'alsa-source' package from universe.
[09:31] <mario8723> Right
[09:32] <mario8723> brb
[09:33] <jeff__> can someone help me please. software on my comp is dropping outgoing packages
[09:33] <crimsun> jeff__: how did you assess that?
[09:34] <jeff__> well, netselect-apt gives me an error about not being able to traceroute
[09:34] <jeff__> and azerus cannot upload
[09:35] <jeff__> and i know that my firewall is configured correctly
[09:35] <saber> can anyone point me to a document to setup vnc? or some way of accessing X from Windows
[09:36] <saber> Searching google is taking me in circles
[09:37] <jeff__> someone told me to use tcpdump. but i cant tell exactly whats going on.
[09:38] <crimsun> saber: warty or hoary?
[09:38] <saber> warty, crimsun
[09:39] <crimsun> jeff__: do you know for sure that your firewall and ISP don't block pings?
[09:39] <jeff__> i know for certian.
[09:39] <jeff__> it worked for other os'es
[09:39] <crimsun> saber: try the Remote Desktop tool
[09:39] <crimsun> jeff__: so ,,ping www.yahoo.com'' fails?
[09:40] <saber> i've used that, but when i connect in windows, i get a black screen
[09:40] <crimsun> saber: what client are you using to connect?
[09:40] <saber> the free one provided by realvnc.com
[09:40] <jeff__> crimsun,  it works
[09:41] <crimsun> jeff__: so obviously your computer's not dropping _those_ outgoing packets ;-)
[09:41] <jeff__> true
[09:42] <crimsun> saber: try http://www.tightvnc.org/download.html
[09:42] <saber> ok
[09:42] <crimsun> saber: I've connected to Warty and Hoary machines using the development version (1.3dev6)
[09:43] <saber> alright
[09:45] <jeff__> Crimsun, this is the error i get
[09:45] <jeff__> netselect was unable to find a mirror, this probably means that
[09:45] <jeff__> you are behind a firewall and it is blocking traceroute.
[09:46] <crimsun> jeff__: why are you using netselect?
[09:46] <crimsun> jeff__: the default repos are sufficient for you
[09:47] <jnoon> anyone know how to connect to a wireless network with WPA-PSK?
[09:47] <jeff__> well im on debian and ftp,debian.org is too slow
[09:47] <crimsun> jeff__: wait...I thought you were using Ubuntu...
[09:47] <jeff__> sorry :(
[09:48] <P3L|C4N0> xD
[09:48] <jeff__> everything worked fine with ubuntu
[09:48] <saber> ah.. i think there is a bug in ubutu 4.10: when you ask for prompting of vnc connections, the window that comes up is completely blank
[09:48] <saber> that's why it wasn't working
[09:48] <jeff__> so i just need to figure out whats making the packets crap now
[09:50] <oz__> hi all - has the nvidia driver problem been resolved in the new Hoary update?
[09:51] <crimsun> oz__: it was resolved as of -27. -28 came out yesterday.
[09:52] <oz__> thanks - if I do a apt-get dist-upgrade the nvidia drivers should be ok?
[09:53] <crimsun> update && dist-upgrade
[09:55] <oz__> crimsun: thanks again - here goes nothing....
[10:04] <oris_wolfbane> hey room
[10:04] <sleg> hello
[10:05] <sleg> does anybody speak french ? (I can speak english but it will be easier in french ;)
[10:06] <pepsi> did you try #ubuntu-fr?
[10:06] <cowbud> hah
[10:06] <sleg> I no ! I didn't it exists
[10:06] <cowbud> pepsi: do you really think that exists?
[10:06] <pepsi> no
[10:06] <pepsi> i dunno
[10:06] <pepsi> it exists
[10:07] <pepsi> theres 30 people in it
[10:07] <cowbud> wow
[10:07] <sleg> ok thanks, I will try
[10:07] <GNAM> -15 at hoary final.
[10:07] <GNAM> after hoary, gcc4
[10:08] <bestadvocate> what exists with 30 people in it?
[10:08] <GNAM> we are 363, are you identified?
[10:08] <cowbud> crack?
[10:09] <sleg> Maybe you can help .. I have installed the hoary array6 on my new laptop dell inspiron 6000 and after the first boot (just before the logg screen) the  PC frezze (no Ctrl-alt-*** works !)
[10:09] <GNAM> auauauau
[10:09] <bestadvocate> do you think they will revert back to the working mono package for AMD64 when hoary is officially released?
[10:10] <GNAM> c# rulez
[10:10] <bestadvocate> cause the jit package still hasent been compiled and released
[10:10] <GNAM> i need a good implementaion
[10:10] <skoop> good morning everyone (for those in europe)
[10:10] <cowbud> skoop: wtf is .phpbb?
[10:10] <bestadvocate> good middle of the night dude from america
[10:11] <skoop> cowbud: phpBB, the forum package?
[10:11] <cowbud> ~skoop@skoop.support.phpbb
[10:11] <skoop> cowbud: thats because I'm their support team leader :)
[10:11] <sleg> and when I logg in text mode, I lauch 'gdm' and it works !!!
[10:11] <cowbud> ah hah
[10:13] <sleg> does anybody know why ?
[10:13] <skoop> anyway, I'm having a slight problem with my wife's ubuntu machine trying to install the libart-2.0-dev package using synaptic... anyone available to help me out a bit?
[10:13] <sleg> did anybody havec the same pproblem ?
[10:14] <sleg> skoop : hoary or warty ?
[10:14] <bestadvocate> sleg I have yet to successfully install hoary on my laptop (and I have tried 4 diffrent Ubuntu cds , the first warty, the official warty, the first hoary and array3 )
[10:14] <skoop> warty
[10:15] <garrut> does anybody know if i can get the gnome calendar to show the week# like it used to?
[10:15] <sleg> the array6 is the only one working ! (because of my SATA CD drive)
[10:15] <bestadvocate> sleg i have an HP with a bios oddity and I believe that is the source of many of my woes.
[10:15] <Nafallo> bestadvocate: what laptop is that?
[10:16] <bestadvocate> Nafallo its a Pavilion ze4600
[10:16] <skoop> or maybe even easier, does anyone know if one can simply mount the Creative Zen xtra without using Gnomad2?
[10:16] <sleg> knoppix3.7 has the same probleme (freeze when X starts)
[10:16] <bestadvocate> I think I remember finding the bug "resolved" in  bugzilla, but nothing has changed in the install cds.
[10:17] <GNAM> fedora core 4 test 1 RELEASED!
[10:18] <bestadvocate> I havent tried fedora since 2.
[10:18] <GNAM> i've tried core 3 and ubuntu is way better
[10:18] <GNAM> .
[10:19] <sleg> bestadvocate: thanks, I search ...
[10:19] <bestadvocate> yah.  ubuntu finally got me out of my distrowatch phase.  (in a year I had installed about 20-30 distros)
[10:19] <GNAM> auauau
[10:19] <GNAM> me too
[10:19] <deFrysk> bestadvocate, distrohopper like me
[10:20] <GNAM> time to stop
[10:21] <skoop> so, nobody knows a way to mount a Zen without Gnomad2?
[10:22] <skoop> it doesn't appear to get a /dev/sd* entry for some reason
[10:22] <GNAM> http://ubuntu.upc.es/
[10:22] <GNAM> what's this?
[10:23] <bestadvocate> havent even installed a new one for months of using ubuntu though (i am too attached to synaptic) the only think thats giving me itchy feat is the urge to try out Beagle and Dashboard with AMD64 MONO and I think Specifix has it.
[10:23] <bestadvocate> sleg here is the bug that hit my laptop origionlly:  https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2355
[10:24] <bestadvocate> thats a couple of thousand bugs old :)
[10:26] <bestadvocate> deFrysk: one thing I never found working was an Enlightenment focused distro (most of them seem to take as long to develop releases as E17
[10:27] <goldfish> fags
[10:27] <goldfish> sorry
[10:27] <goldfish> i just need fags
[10:27] <bestadvocate> you need a light goldfish?
[10:27] <goldfish> yeah
[10:27] <goldfish> thanks
[10:28] <thefish> hi
[10:28] <bestadvocate> hey fish
[10:28] <membreya> oooo big updates coming down the pipe :)
[10:28] <sleg> bestadvocate: thanks, I look ...
[10:29] <bestadvocate> i need a good tutorial on grub.... google answer me that
[10:32] <Q-FUNK> Just upgraded GNOME to 2.10 from Hoary, which is unbelievably fast compared to 2.8, but the integration of gswitchit causes problems. how do I disable it?
[10:32] <Nermal> gswitchit ?
[10:32] <membreya> Nermal: http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=gswitchit&btnG=Google+Search&meta= :P
[10:33] <Nermal> membreya, I deserved that ;)
[10:33] <bestadvocate> really q-funk i havent noticed any speed diffrences....
[10:33] <sleg> bestadvocate: I don't think it's the same problem but I will try with acpi=off
[10:33] <Nermal> I'm finding 2.10 a bit quicker.. things like menu loading and run dialog etc
[10:34] <bestadvocate> oh never mind you upgraded from warty didnt you?
[10:34] <bestadvocate> i wouldnt have a clue.   I've been running hoary for like 2 months
[10:35] <oris_wolfbane> hey guys im running warty at the moment do you think its wise for me to upgrade to hoary?
[10:36] <Nafallo> oris_wolfbane: depends. I would probably wait til after release.
[10:36] <Nafallo> oris_wolfbane: atleast my server and my girlfriend's puter will do that :-).
[10:37] <bestadvocate> oris_wolfbane: upgrading is for the feature hungry. and venturesome still.
[10:37] <catch-> Hi just movec over from gentoo to ubuntu, and got a couple of questions, if you do an apt-get install and it has sugested packages how do you ensure that the packages are, or aren't installed?
[10:37] <Nafallo> and for contributers and developers :-)
[10:37] <bestadvocate> oris_wolfbane: but its much cooler!
[10:37] <catch-> I had a look through man but couldn't see much about it
[10:37] <oris_wolfbane> bestadvocate: much cooler how?
[10:38] <Burgundavia> oris_wolfbane: if you have to ask, I would recommend waiting
[10:38] <oris_wolfbane> Burgundavia: true
[10:38] <farruinn> catch-: it isn't required that suggested packages be installed, they're just suggested
[10:38] <skoop> man, how hard can it be to install libgnome-2.0 through synaptic
[10:38] <skoop> stupid dependencies
[10:38] <farruinn> catch-: depends on the other hand must be installed
[10:39] <farruinn> catch-: www.debian.org/doc has a good APT Howto
[10:39] <catch-> farruinn ok but is there any way to get apt to install allong with the depends?
[10:39] <catch-> ok cheers
[10:39] <bestadvocate> oris_wolfbane: first no 9.0 firefox(better extensions) seccond cool new menus.  3rd easy file sharing   fourth : cause its braging rights (i got Gnome 10 so eat my shorts mr. still using 2.6)
[10:40] <ratl3> has anyone heard of debian flashing the video bios of a mac?
[10:40] <Nafallo> 9.0 would be 1.0 :-(
[10:40] <Nafallo> s/\(/\)/
[10:40] <daniels> ratl3: no
[10:40] <catch-> also is there anyway to change the order in which services start up?
[10:40] <Burgundavia> catch-: change the numbers
[10:40] <Burgundavia> catch-: lower numbers start up earlier
[10:40] <oris_wolfbane> bestadvocate: oooo, gnome 10 *oris dribbels sligtly*
[10:40] <Agrajag> bestadvocate: firefox 9.0? Gnome 10?
[10:41] <catch-> where are the numbers stored?
[10:41] <Agrajag> man oh man
[10:41] <catch-> which conf file?
[10:41] <Agrajag> let me borrow you time machine please
[10:41] <Agrajag> I want to go back in time and puch certain people
[10:41] <bestadvocate> Agrajag: ooopss guess im tired :)
[10:41] <Agrajag> punch
[10:41] <Nafallo> catch-: ls /etc/rc*.d/ :-)
[10:42] <catch-> cheers
[10:44] <pepsi> poop
[10:45] <pepsi> 7 to 2 and 8 to 4, not 7 to 4 and 8 to 2
[10:46] <ratl3> pins?
[10:46] <topyli> i want to stop update-menus from creating duplicates in ~/.local. can i just change permissions on ~/local/share/applications?
[10:46] <pepsi> yeah
[10:46] <pepsi> i swapped 2 wires
[10:46] <ratl3> for what?
[10:47] <pepsi> http://www.lancos.com/e2p/avrisp-stk200.gif
[10:47] <bestadvocate> ooooh pritty picture
[10:48] <Arago> hi all- I can't add any launcher to gnome applications menu (by mouse DX or by Nautilus). I'm using warty. Any suggestion ?
[10:48] <bestadvocate> arago: im not sure this still works but try going to aplications:/// in nautilus (sp check)
[10:49] <ratl3> pepsi, parallel eprom programmer?
[10:49] <Agrajag> two ps
[10:49] <Arago> bestadvocate, it dosn't work. I can see the new lancher there but not into panel . and nothing also after rebbot. :(
[10:49] <pepsi> ratl3, almost... its to program avr microcontrollers
[10:50] <catch-> Nafallo ok, so if I understand it right, If I change S50MYSERVIVCE to S1MYSERVICE then it will start earlyer?
[10:50] <Nafallo> catch-: correct.
[10:51] <catch-> Nafallo what are the differences in letters? S K etc
[10:51] <Arago> Start & Kill :)
[10:51] <Nafallo> catch-: what Arago said :-)
[10:51] <bestadvocate> arago you used natuilus and typed in applications:/// into the address bar?
[10:51] <quarupt> what are some good irc clients besides X-Chat?
[10:51] <Nafallo> quarupt: irssi :-)
[10:52] <ratl3> emacs
[10:52] <quarupt> one for x
[10:52] <ratl3> heh
[10:52] <quarupt> emacs is a text editor
[10:52] <cef> ok, where do I insert modelines for X in Xorg?
[10:52] <topyli> quarupt: among other things :)
[10:53] <bestadvocate> arago i thought that worked in warty (doesnt in hoary)
[10:53] <Nafallo> quarupt: what topyli said about emacs :-)
[10:53] <topyli> quarupt: somebody said "emacs is my operating system, linux just provides the device drivers" =)
[10:54] <catch-> cheers guys
[10:54] <Nermal> topyli, as well as "emacs is a great operating system, it just needs a decent editor.."
[10:54] <liz> anyone know if GLib is included in hoary?
[10:54] <liz> im still using warty
[10:54] <Nermal> of course
[10:54] <topyli> heh
[10:55] <topyli> Nermal: use viper (the vi emulation mode) :)
[10:55] <ratl3> there's vi for emacs?
[10:55] <topyli> viper-mode
[10:55] <quar> hrm
[10:55] <bestadvocate> ratl3 and emacs for vi
[10:55] <quar> I guess Ksirc is pretty good
[10:58] <garrut> can i remove items from the window list in my panel?
[10:59] <catch-> how easy is it to get Ubuntu to authenticate against a windows2003 Active Directory server? Thinking about changing the cvs machine in work from gentoo to Ubuntu ...
[10:59] <bestadvocate> garrut: like minimized programs?
[11:00] <garrut> yeah, i've got a dual monitor setup so my window list is way too crowded
[11:00] <garrut> i want to remove certain items
[11:00] <ratl3> close programs?
[11:01] <ratl3> or not have them show up?
[11:01] <Nafallo> catch-: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ActiveDirectoryHowto
[11:01] <garrut> for example, my xchat window is always open, so i don't need it in the window list
[11:01] <catch-> cheers Nafallo
[11:02] <ratl3> theres a notificagtion icon for xcat
[11:02] <ratl3> xchat
[11:02] <topyli> true. it works too
[11:03] <Quarupt> oo Lostirc is pretty nice
[11:03] <garrut> ok, but there isn't one for my music player and some other windows i've always got open
[11:03] <topyli> hmm. acroread 7
[11:03] <ratl3> music player can go into that area too
[11:04] <garrut> i'm using gmpc
[11:04] <ratl3> but, with the other stuff i think you can use devils own
[11:04] <phw> does anybody use evolution exchange integration?
[11:04] <topyli> ratl3: and gaim, and tomboy and so on until the notification area looks like the windows system tray :)
[11:04] <oris_wolfbane> ratl3: were do i get this notification icon from?
[11:05] <garrut> ratl3, devils own?
[11:05] <ratl3> for x-chat?
[11:05] <ratl3> oris_wolfbane?
[11:05] <ratl3> i think that's what it's called
[11:05] <ratl3> i'm lookign around
[11:06] <oris_wolfbane> ratl3: yeah
[11:06] <topyli> ratl3: it's unofficial, you'll have to do some googling
[11:07] <ratl3> oh, it's not in their packages
[11:07] <ratl3> sorry
[11:07] <Quarupt> I like centericq for ssh
[11:08] <Quarupt> How can I make LostIRC startup with gnome?
[11:08] <Quarupt> same with gaim
[11:09] <ratl3> oris_wolfbane, here's the system tray plugin http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=88437
[11:09] <tyler_> What is meta ccity exactly? I have it installed, how do I use it?
[11:09] <oris_wolfbane> Quarupt: http://ubuntuguide.org/#runprogramsstartupgnome
[11:10] <oris_wolfbane> ratl3: thanxs
[11:10] <membreya> ratl3: people are nazi's and rarely if ever compile anything for the amd64 >:(
[11:10] <Quarupt> thx oris_wolfbane
[11:10] <ratl3> tyler_, it is what creates the top of your windows
[11:11] <ratl3> membreya, on ubuntu?
[11:11] <membreya> ratl3: yup, take for example that system tray..sure I can compile it myself..but where's my deb..when's it MY turn !
[11:11] <membreya> it's like being left handed all over again >:(
[11:11] <membreya> the man is out to keep me down
[11:12] <tyler_> ahh okay. Well how come when I download a theme it onlyu installs the controls aspect of it? not the windows borders or icons.
[11:12] <Castoro> Hi all
[11:12] <ratl3> borders and icons are seperate themes
[11:12] <ratl3> tyler_,
[11:12] <cef> what fun with hoary/xorg/nvidia *sigh*
[11:13] <Castoro> I'm using Udev... anyone can tell me how can i do to make my modem accessible by normal user? When i boot, i have to manually change permission to /dev/modem ...
[11:13] <Quarupt> hey oris_wolfbane that page just says Computer > Desktop Preferences > Sessions         WHat does it mean by "Computer"   Cause Im not using Warty, im using Hoary?
[11:13] <tyler_> yes ralt3?
[11:14] <membreya> Quarupt: System > Preferences > sessions
[11:14] <Quarupt> thx
[11:14] <ratl3> tyler_, borders and icons are seperate themes
[11:15] <oris_wolfbane> Quarupt: i dunno i just rembered seeing the link in the ubuntuguide sorry
[11:15] <ratl3> where are you getting themes tyler_ ?
[11:15] <tyler_> Mm, SO there are no theme packages that do all?
[11:15] <tyler_> from gnome-look.org
[11:15] <tyler_> Mine don't look anything like the download pictures :) well the window controls do
[11:16] <Quarupt> is there some kinda app that will allow me to add programs to minimize to the tray or just in the background? Like limewire?
[11:16] <ratl3> well, an artist will make a metacity theme, icon them, and gtk theme to match tyler_
[11:16] <dizzie> Morning all :)
[11:17] <membreya> anyone here using nvsound?
[11:17] <ratl3> tyler_, but most of the time they aren't included in one package
[11:17] <tyler_> ahh, okay. I'll inspect the download site a litle more clearly.
[11:17] <Arago> bestadvocate, it dosn't work. I can see the new lancher there but not into panel . and nothing also after rebbot. :(   (try #2)
[11:17] <Arago> hi all- I can't add any launcher to gnome applications menu (by mouse DX or by Nautilus). I'm using warty. Any suggestion ? (try #2)
[11:17] <garrut> ratl3, xchat and gaim are in the notification area, but when the windows are open they're also in the window list..
[11:18] <ratl3> yah, i can't remember the correct name for that program right now
[11:18] <ratl3> i thought it was devils own
[11:18] <garrut> ok, thanks
[11:18] <membreya> noone here uses nvsound? :(
[11:19] <dizzie> as in nForce ?
[11:19] <membreya> ya dizzie
[11:19] <dizzie> got it on my mobo, but i use my audigy card
[11:19] <membreya> dang >:(
[11:20] <Hayden> how can i make an new user in a shell
[11:20] <membreya> adduser? :)
[11:20] <dizzie> adduser <name>
[11:20] <Nermal> useradd -m <username>
[11:20] <dizzie> or useradd <name>
[11:20] <Nermal> -m will give them a home dir
[11:21] <Hayden> Room Number [] : ?
[11:21] <dizzie> just tab return all the way
[11:22] <dizzie> and say Y in the end
[11:22] <Hayden> ok thanks
[11:22] <dizzie> yw
[11:22] <Hayden> another question
[11:23] <Hayden> how can i check the names of all the other users and delete them
[11:23] <Nermal> Hayden, cat /etc/passwd ?
[11:23] <Nermal> Hayden, and what do you mean by "other users" ?
[11:23] <Hayden> other normal users
[11:24] <Hayden> with a folder in /home/
[11:24] <Nermal> Hayden, did you not create them yourself ?
[11:24] <Hayden> no
[11:24] <Nermal> ah.. yeah look in /etc/passwd
[11:24] <Hayden> how can i delete a user?
[11:25] <Nermal> userdel ?
[11:25] <scizzo> Hayden: sudo deluser username
[11:25] <Nermal> *unshocker*
[11:31] <ncp> i have just installede ubuntu, and set up tightvnc. i can connect and a window starts op, but just grey backgound and nothing else, i can move the mouse but nothing happens when i click. anyone know what might be wrong?
[11:31] <oris_wolfbane> how do i find out were xchat puts its plugins?
[11:33] <scizzo> oris_wolfbane: cd ~/.xchat
[11:33] <scizzo> oris_wolfbane: maybe?
[11:33] <scizzo> oris_wolfbane: something in there might help...
[11:33] <scizzo> or you can look at the document about where to place them
[11:33] <scizzo> :)
[11:34] <oris_wolfbane> scizoo thanks
[11:35] <joeblow1234> Hey everyone. I was just wondering, is the Ubuntu team still planning on releasing an Enterprise version of Ubuntu with a longer release cycle?
[11:36] <daniels> joeblow1234: no, that was never in the pipeline; longer support cycles are an option, but release cycles will stay the same
[11:36] <joeblow1234> daniels: sorry, support cycle was what i meant to say
[11:36] <joeblow1234> I'm running CentOS right now because I want something that I can throw on my computer that isn't Windows that doesn't always change (my girlfriend doesn't like change)
[11:37] <joeblow1234> daniels: were they just going to increase the support cycle for all of their releases or branch off an actual enterprise distro, and kind of have ubuntu as the fedora equivalent?
[11:38] <garrut> it changes because it gets better...
[11:38] <tyler_> Are splash screens hard to set up?
[11:38] <daniels> joeblow1234: err, ubuntu as it stands is enterprise-quality
[11:39] <tyler_> bootsplash I mean
[11:39] <membreya> tyler_: for grub or for linux itself?
[11:39] <joeblow1234> daniels: so is fedora IMO, but Red Hat still has RHEL
[11:39] <joeblow1234> altho fedora does change quite a bit
[11:40] <daniels> joeblow1234: iirc the difference in them is mainly support (e.g. supported architectures)
[11:40] <tyler_> mmm, linux itself.. ANd grub :)
[11:41] <membreya> isn't rhel at a cost?
[11:41] <membreya> tyler_: for grub it's a piece of piss
[11:41] <garrut> tyler_: just copy over the current splash in /usr/share/pixmaps/splash is the easyest way
[11:41] <joeblow1234> membreya: sort of, im running CentOS which is RHEL with Red Hat's trademarks removed, it is free
[11:41] <membreya> for linux itself it requires a recompilation of the kernel IIRC
[11:42] <tyler_> but Ahh okay. I'll try that. How about during boot for linux?
[11:42] <membreya> read above tyler_ :)
[11:43] <bestadvocate> ooo i have to try my first ever hand edited grub configuration
[11:43] <tyler_> I'll try above.
[11:43] <bestadvocate> (i wonder if i broke a debconf)
[11:43] <membreya> tyler_: http://sleepybuddha.sl.funpic.de/ubuntu/
[11:43] <membreya> that's for grub
[11:44] <Gandalfar> how to install ubuntu from usb stick?
[11:47] <sic> anyone have any luck with faad2 plugin for xmms?
[11:50] <scizzo> Gandalfar: you still need something to boot from
[11:50] <Gandalfar> scizzo: I have usb stick?
[11:51] <scizzo> Gandalfar: can the bios boot from it?
[11:51] <Gandalfar> scizzo: yes
[11:51] <Hayden> crimsun, i was feeling ambitious and upgraded debian to ubuntu lol
[11:51] <Gandalfar> scizzo: I just don't want to bother with connecting cdrom drive to my box
[11:52] <mgedmin> anyone here running Ubuntu on a T42?
[11:52] <mgedmin> I have both the "high ACPI sleep power drain", and the "noisy fan always on" problems
[11:53] <scizzo> Gandalfar: well you still need the bios to boot from the usbstick and then tell the install to install from the stick
[11:54] <Nermal> anyone else having problems downloading in firefox
[11:54] <Gandalfar> scizzo: how do I create bootable ubuntu usb stick?
[11:54] <Nermal> it seems to refuse to download stuff :|
[11:54] <scizzo> Gandalfar: good question ... :)
[11:54] <Gandalfar> scizzo: I only see huge ubuntu cds .. no small netinstall ones
[11:55] <Nermal> just select folder, hit ok and sodall happens
[11:57] <catch-> hrm... my man pages tend to have a lot of a's with ^ on them, anyone have and idea why or how to "fix" this?
[11:58] <Nermal> don't use putty ? :)
[11:58] <catch-> how do i connect to my remote machine from work then? ;)
[11:58] <mgedmin> catch-, switch the character set to UTF-8
[11:58] <mgedmin> putty supports that
[11:59] <Nermal> :)
[11:59] <catch-> ahh ok will try now :) Thanks
[11:59] <Castoro> Is there a script somewhere that automatically change the routing table (or at least, bring down eth0) when starting a modem calling ?
[12:01] <catch-> mgedmin sorry I was thining that was an option in putty config, gone through and not found one, I checked the "Window - Translation - Recieved data assumed to be in which character set" and couldn't see it, did you mean an option in putty or a setting on the system?
[12:01] <catch-> sorry just found it ...
[12:01] <mgedmin> Castoro, perhaps adding replacedefaultroute to /etc/ppp/options would help you?
[12:02] <Castoro> mgedmin, i'm looking, thx :)
[12:02] <mgedmin> catch-, putty
[12:02] <mgedmin> I assumed your system sends UTF-8 data
[12:02] <mgedmin> putty did have UTF-8 in that list last time I checked it
[12:02] <catch-> ahh got lots of squares now instead
[12:02] <mgedmin> uh oh
[12:02] <catch-> how do i find out what my system is using:
[12:03] <mgedmin> catch-, type 'locale charmap'
[12:03] <catch-> hrm ... it is UTF-8
[12:03] <mgedmin> but "lots of squares" smells like a bad font to me
[12:03] <warthawg> can i add hoary repositories to my synaptic list?
[12:04] <mgedmin> what font do you use in Putty?  if it is Terminal or Fixedsys, or Courier, I guess it simply doesn't have those characters
[12:04] <catch-> normal text is alright, i think it might be something like tabs or bold or something along those lines
[12:04] <mgedmin> try Courier New or (my favourite) Andale Mono
[12:05] <Ilix> Hi, I installed ubuntu recently, though I can't open any of the system configuration applets. I have activated the root acount, and I'm sure I type the correct password when it prompts me.
[12:05] <Ilix> Is there something I've missed?
[12:06] <warthawg> can i add hoary to my sources like adding unstable to debian?
[12:06] <Nermal> hmmm
[12:06] <Nermal> firefox is still refusing to save files :|
[12:07] <warthawg> hello sic in austin
[12:07] <belo> hello
[12:07] <sic> mornin
[12:08] <Hayden> how can i setup a shared samba folder for my apache www directory?
[12:09] <niran> if i have some text in a console, is there any way i can write what's already on screen to a file?
[12:10] <catch-> mgedmin I've done a google, but can't see how to change the terminal fonts, any chance of a pointer in the right direction? Is it a line in .bashrc? or something else?
[12:10] <sic> niran, you could highlight it and then paste it in a text file in your home
[12:10] <mgedmin> catch-, putty configuration
[12:10] <niran> sic: it's an actual console, not a terminal window
[12:10] <catch-> nermal, yeah, I've been noticing that under windows too :( Been having to right click save as
[12:11] <sic> niran, ahh..so outside of gnome then
[12:11] <niran> yeah.
[12:11] <warthawg> every time i try to install something with synaptic, it just disappears
[12:11] <warthawg> it goes away
[12:11] <mgedmin> niran, you can get mouse selection if you install gpm
[12:11] <warthawg> it shuts down
[12:11] <warthawg> it becomes invisible
[12:12] <mgedmin> (careful: sometimes gpm and X start to battle over the mouse device)
[12:12] <belo> can u guys tell me why firefox still shows some wierd characters when Im browsing CE-coded pages. Ive set the character encoding to CentralEuropean
[12:12] <Ilix> When I try running Synapitc package manager, all I get is an error "Child terminated with 1 status", could anyone please help me?
[12:12] <mgedmin> niran, also, you can cat /dev/vcs1 > somefile.txt
[12:12] <Nermal> catch-, aye :|
[12:12] <mgedmin> replace 1 with the number of a virtual console
[12:12] <niran> mgedmin: that's what i was looking for :)
[12:12] <niran> lemme see if it works
[12:13] <Burgundavia> Ilix: I think that is wrong password
[12:13] <sic> mgedmin, would that put the entire buffer into a file?
[12:13] <niran> mgedmin: success
[12:13] <Ilix> Burgundavia: I don't tink so, I've checked the pasword, it works when I change to su in a terminal.
[12:13] <catch-> mgedmin I'm on courier new, ahh well just one of those problems i guess... :) Thanks anyway :)
[12:14] <belo> is it because the missing fonts?
[12:14] <mgedmin> sic, that puts 80*25 characters (with no newlines at the end of each line) to a text file
[12:14] <Ilix> Burgundavia: oh, it works with my regular user password :S
[12:15] <Ilix> Burgundavia Well, thanks anyway, I should of thought of trying that pass.
[12:15] <mgedmin> sadly, there's no way to access the scrollback buffer :-/
[12:15] <warthawg> ubuntu is very very strange
[12:18] <Burgundavia> Ilix: ubuntu uses sudo by default. Whenever it asks your for a password, it is asking for yours
[12:18] <Burgundavia> warthawg: what do you mean?
[12:18] <warthawg> Burgundavia:  i mean permissions, and trying to run synaptic and having it disappear, and installing with apt-get and then getting "not found"
[12:19] <Ilix> Burgundavia: aha, thanks!
[12:19] <belo> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0"
[12:20] <belo> I don't understand it
[12:21] <prego> Which is the best filesystem for a ubuntu install? I'm using reiserfs but I'm not sure if I should have used ext3
[12:22] <Burgundavia> warthawg: huh?
[12:22] <bzozula> how do I run mythfrontend as an ordinary user.  I can only run it sudo?
[12:23] <sic> would anyone mind looking at my fstab in a pm?
[12:23] <warthawg> Burgundavia:  my sentiments exactly.  i install gcc with apt-get, because synaptic disappears, and it installs, and then when i try to use gcc, it says its not there
[12:23] <Burgundavia> warthawg: install build-essentials
[12:23] <Burgundavia> warthawg: that will get you all you need to develop packages
[12:24] <thefish> tried with noapic and nolapic
[12:24] <Burgundavia> warthawg: I assume you are running hoary?
[12:24] <warthawg> Burgundavia: thanks for that tip, i just tried, and synaptic crashes, disappears when i try to mark for install
[12:25] <Burgundavia> warthawg: do a backtrace and post a bug
[12:25] <warthawg> Burgundavia:  no, i installed warty, how do i install hoary?
[12:25] <warthawg> just download a different iso?
[12:25] <Burgundavia> warthawg: warty=stable hoary=unstable
[12:25] <Burgundavia> hoary is synced off debian sid
[12:25] <warthawg> Bungundavia:  so i can just add hoary to my sorces?
[12:27] <Burgundavia> warthawg: if you don't mind running an unstable distro, change all mention of warty to hoary in /etc/apt/sources.lst
[12:27] <membreya> unstable?
[12:27] <warthawg> Burgundavia:  thanks for your help, i will give that a shot
[12:27] <warthawg> tho i have to admit i am more partial to the warty name :)
[12:27] <deFrysk> unstable= untested
[12:28] <Burgundavia> membreya: one that they are doing active development on
[12:28] <membreya> seems stable enough for me + less than a month till the final is released
[12:28] <Curinir> I have a question regarding locales that I cannot find the answer to on the ubuntulinux.org/support/. I am using Hoary, and using no_NO.UTF-8 as my locale. But for a couple of months ago, my week started to begin on sunday, instead of monday as it does here in Norway. `locale -c -k LC_TIME` reveals first_weekday=1 and first_workday=1 including abday="sn;man;tir;ons;tor;fre;lr" ("sn" = sunday). Any suggestions?
[12:28] <prego> membreya, you need also a good internet connection to keep up to date
[12:28] <membreya> plus getting updates daily makes me feel loved :)
[12:28] <Nermal> hmm
[12:28] <Nermal> this firefox issue is going to piss me off
[12:28] <membreya> prego: ..got cable :)
[12:28] <Nermal> I can save files with right click and save as, but not by clicking on them and doing "save here"
[12:28] <prego> membreya, then hoary it is for you ;-)
[12:29] <prego> Nermal, epyphany ??
[12:30] <Nermal> erm.. no ?
[12:30] <membreya> i wish gaim would hurry up and release webcam capabilities (and no I don't wanna run gaim-vv)
[12:30] <Nermal> besides it being a pile of shit ..
[12:30] <prego> Nermal, I'm suggessting you gave epyphany a try :-) Now uses firefox as rendering engine instead of mozilla
[12:30] <membreya> isn't firefox mozilla?
[12:30] <Nermal> hmmm
[12:31] <Nermal> I'm more interested as to why its not working
[12:31] <prego> membreya, not exactly
[12:31] <Nermal> firefox is the web browser component of mozilla
[12:31] <Burgundavia> Nermal: that is a known issue
[12:31] <Nermal> tweaked
[12:31] <Burgundavia> several people of commented on it
[12:31] <Nermal> Burgundavia, hurrah
[12:31] <membreya> I like my galeon :)
[12:31] <Nermal> firefox or ubuntu issue ? :)
[12:31] <thefish> Nermal, why would you choose ubu over another distro?
[12:31] <Burgundavia> ubuntu
[12:32] <Nermal> thefish, reliable, ease of updates / installing new software /
[12:32] <Nermal> and hoary for very up to date software
[12:32] <prego> thefish, as far as I know, because of speed and somehow simplicity
[12:32] <Nermal> no rpm hell or degrading ebuilds
[12:33] <membreya> is grumpy released for public consumption yet? :)
[12:33] <Burgundavia> membreya: no
[12:33] <prego> also large amount of software available at universe/multiverse repositories
[12:33] <Burgundavia> membreya: post hoary
[12:33] <membreya> that's what I thought :)
[12:33] <thefish> i like the "not more than 6 months behind" but i want to keep my skills server oriented, ubu seems much more desktop
[12:34] <thefish> please prove me wrong...
[12:34] <membreya> isn't that the way linux wants to head thefish ? :)
[12:34] <prego> thefish, ubu is same server capable than debian, AFAIK
[12:34] <Nermal> thefish, I suppose just booting the install with "server" will give you a server installation
[12:34] <thefish> prego, i agree, but debian is a black sheep in some companies
[12:34] <Nermal> mmmm... sheep
[12:34] <thefish> hehe
[12:34] <Myrtti> mmmm meat
[12:35] <membreya> country boy Nermal ? :P
[12:35] <Myrtti> oh?
[12:35] <Myrtti> it is?
[12:35] <Myrtti> I doubt it
[12:35] <cef> it's not
[12:35] <membreya> we're a clever bunch thefish :P
[12:35] <daniels> thefish: it's not; some of our team are australian (myself and jeff waugh)
[12:35] <prego> thefish, I don't see debian/ubuntu in a company unless the machiness have access to internet. Perhaps I am wrong
[12:35] <cef> there is a lot of aussies working on it though
[12:35] <daniels> cef: only two on the distro team :)
[12:36] <cef> daniels: true.. but jeff is like 1/4 of the distro *grin*
[12:36] <membreya> jeff waugh..any relation to steve? sorry..couldn't help myself
[12:36] <daniels> there are a few more canonical employees than that, though (eight out of a bit less than 50)
[12:36] <prego> thefish, probaly a company prefers "closed" installs as SuSE for instance...
[12:36] <daniels> membreya: just as long as there no jokes about declaring waugh with our reifells
[12:36] <daniels> membreya: and having been warned
[12:36] <thefish> prego, "closed installs" please explain?
[12:36] <membreya> lol :P
[12:37] <Nermal> its south african surely
[12:37] <Nermal> as mark shuttleworth is
[12:37] <prego> thefish, having a DVD with all the software and repeating same install on several machines, ...
[12:37] <thefish> yes ok
[12:37] <cef> daniels: btw: weird thing.. this lappy won't do 60 Hz it seems.. 59 Hz is fine, 60 = no go
[12:37] <prego> thefish, probably this is possible in ubuntu, but I'm not aware of it.
[12:37] <sic> What I am trying to do: two local hdds one is ext3 and one is NTFS. They are both mounted in fstab.  I need to copy everything from the NTFS partition to the ext3 partition on the other hdd.  It copies some files but locks up.  Any ideas?
[12:37] <Burgundavia> official, canonical is isle of man and thus so is ubuntu
[12:37] <membreya> 49Hz? :| odd :P
[12:38] <cef> daniels: so I cooked up a custom modeline and put it in xorg's config
[12:38] <daniels> ubuntu doesn't have any real distinct nationality.  the name obviously has african heritage, but we have people all over the world (both canonical-sponsored and non-canonical-sponsored) in more or less every timezone, so it's pretty much international.
[12:38] <Nermal> sic, boot with noapic pci=noacpi
[12:38] <daniels> added to that, all the canonical people work from home, sooo ...
[12:38] <prego> sic, make sure ntfs is mounted read only, anyway
[12:38] <cef> not 49, 59.. just under 60
[12:38] <daniels> cef: hmmm ... does bumping up your horizsync range by two fix that?
[12:38] <daniels> because that is an UTTERLY SICK HACK
[12:38] <cef> daniels: I'll give it a go soon..
[12:38] <membreya> cef: you know what I meant :P
[12:39] <sic> prego, Nermal, : proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
[12:39] <sic> /dev/hda1       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[12:39] <sic> /dev/hda5       none            swap    sw              0       0
[12:39] <sic> /dev/hdb1       /home/sic/mp3   ext3    defaults        0       0
[12:39] <sic> /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[12:39] <sic> /dev/fd0        /media/floppy0  auto    rw,user,noauto  0       0
[12:39] <sic> /dev/hdd1       /home/sic/winxp      ntfs    defaults,auto,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0
[12:39] <membreya> aaaargh
[12:39] <kev0r> spammmm!
[12:39] <sic> no
[12:39] <kev0r> yes
[12:39] <sic> just my fstab
[12:39] <kev0r> ur fstab == spamm
[12:39] <Nermal> sic, just do what I told you to do ffs
[12:39] <cef> daniels: I'll give it a go soon..
[12:39] <membreya> oh, daniels..thankyou again for that tip with the amd64 and remove the sync rates :)
[12:39] <Burgundavia> sic: #flood for that
[12:39] <cef> bah
[12:39] <prego> sic, provide also in the ntfs options ro: defaults,ro,auto,uid=.... (just in case)
[12:40] <daniels> ceffcheers dude
[12:40] <daniels> membreya: no worries
[12:40] <prego> Burgundavia, how does the #flood thing work?
[12:40] <kev0r> lol, just join and flood :)
[12:40] <cef> daniels: with the nvidia module loaded, there doesn't seem to be a 1440x900 mode anyway
[12:40] <Burgundavia> prego: join the channel, watch people dump crap in
[12:40] <membreya> still fighting with that laptop cef? :) you've had 24hrs
[12:40] <daniels> cef: hmm weird, there should be
[12:41] <prego> Burgundavia, so you say here "I'll paste my fstab in #flood" and paste it there, is it like that?
[12:41] <Burgundavia> prego: yeppers
[12:41] <sic> prego, thanks
[12:41] <prego> Burgundavia, but all channels dump flood there... it may be a mess sometimes....
[12:41] <cef> membreya: yeah I've hardly had the time
[12:41] <Burgundavia> prego: usually it is pretty quiet
[12:42] <Nermal> sic, let me know when you bother to try my suggestion
[12:42] <prego> Burgundavia, OK, thanks
[12:42] <membreya> getting upset Nermal ? :)
[12:42] <cef> waiting for the software updates thingy at the moment
[12:42] <Nermal> membreya, pissed off is more the word
[12:42] <Burgundavia> prego: or you can create a temp channel like #sicfstab and look there
[12:42] <cef> daniels: GL works with the nvidia module anyway.. *grin*
[12:42] <membreya> Nermal: yes but we all know you can't say that :P
[12:42] <Nermal> or you can just get rid of the whiole fstab issue as it's likely not to be that
[12:43] <membreya> my bandwidth cap is hating hoary :P
[12:43] <daniels> cef: heh
[12:43] <sic> Nermal, sorry, looked away and then looked back and saw pregos suggestion
[12:43] <prego> Burgundavia, how do I create a channel?
[12:43] <Nermal> well if you will paste half a screen into the channel
[12:43] <Nermal> prego, just join it :P
[12:43] <membreya> prego: just type /j # (make up name)
[12:43] <membreya> and hope it's not taken
[12:44] <prego> Oh! I'm the master of the channel ;-)))) he he
[12:44] <Nermal> now you can kick yourself
[12:44] <membreya> motu's beware :P
[12:44] <Nermal> oh joy
[12:44] <prego> And if i leave the channel it is closed?
[12:45] <Nermal> prego, unless you register it
[12:45] <membreya> yes prego, providing noone stays
[12:45] <membreya> Nermal: ..hungry again ?
[12:45] <cef> daniels: re: the video on this lappy.. I'm guessing it's probably a rounding problem
[12:45] <daniels> cef: yeah
[12:45] <daniels> cef: i suspect it'd be fine if you bumped the sync ranges up a bit
[12:45] <prego> OK, guys, I'm sorry to have asked that kind of things but I was really curious about them. Thanks for your patience
[12:46] <topyli> wonders of irc :)
[12:46] <prego> irc, that unknown friend...
[12:46] <membreya> with the right click "send to" option when you right click on a file, is there any way to edit the destinations?
[12:46] <membreya> ie I just have gaim and evolution (which I don't use)
[12:47] <Hayden> where can i find a default smb.conf file>?
[12:47] <cef> daniels: just trying that now.... bumped it up from 28-72 to 28-75.. no luck
[12:47] <topyli> membreya: how'd you get gaim in there?
[12:47] <scizzo> Hayden: /etc/
[12:47] <membreya> Hayden: /etc/samba/
[12:47] <membreya> topyli: it's "just" there :|
[12:47] <thefish> Hayden, check on the samba site, under documentation
[12:48] <topyli> membreya: hmm. perhaps i'm missing a nautilus-sendto-gaim-thingy package
[12:48] <Nermal> membreya, don't have that option
[12:48] <Hayden> i've changed it and want to get the default gilr
[12:48] <membreya> I'm trying to figure out how to edit it >:(
[12:48] <Hayden> file*
[12:48] <Nermal> membreya, gconf-editor :P
[12:48] <cef> daniels: "Not using mode "1440x900" (no mode of this name)
[12:49] <prego> membreya, just guessing, but in preferred-applications setting perhaps you could place gaim in the email program and perhaps it would work
[12:49] <membreya> prego: I have BOTH gaim and evolution
[12:49] <membreya> plus my preferred is thunderbird
[12:49] <daniels> cef: ah cock.  if you grep for 1440x900, does it see modes there and throw them away?  or does it really just need a modeline?
[12:49] <topyli> A-HA! there's a gaim plugin to enable :)
[12:50] <prego> membreya, you may decide between one of them perhaps...
[12:50] <membreya> topyli: nautilus integration :)
[12:50] <cef> daniels: ahh hsync out of range..
[12:50] <topyli> who would have guessed!
[12:50] <cef> daniels: which is weird.. cos i've got the hsync set for 28-100 atm
[12:51] <membreya> wish cef and daniels would be nice and enlighten us :P
[12:51] <cef> membreya: eh?
[12:52] <membreya> cef: trying to figure out how to edit the "send to" option when you right click a file :)
[12:52] <membreya> I figure you and daniels are the two most clicked on in here right now :P
[12:52] <crschmidt> I need to figure out how to change my network connection to change from a dhcp configured connection to static.
[12:52] <cef> haha
[12:52] <crschmidt> Can anyone offer some pointers?
[12:52] <membreya> crschmidt: System > Administration > Networking
[12:53] <membreya> then click on properties on the network device
[12:53] <crschmidt> bleh, that'd mean i'd have to walk upstairs :P
[12:53] <membreya> ...that's the easy way :)
[12:53] <crschmidt> i found info in interfaces(5)
[12:53] <cef> daniels: is there any way to get extended errors out of xorg? ie: show exactly what hsync it thinks the mode needs? or can I find it in a file?
[12:53] <membreya> crschmidt: sudo nano -w /etc/network/interfaces
[12:53] <membreya> if you want to be a pain :P
[12:54] <daniels> cef: not really, you just have to look at all the log stuff associated with mode validation and guess from there
[12:54] <daniels> cef: nv might be silently throwing the mode away itself, of course :\
[12:54] <cef> daniels: not nv, nvidia
[12:55] <daniels> cef: oh, right
[12:55] <daniels> cef: both pieces ;)
[12:55] <membreya> I'm going to state the obvious cef and ask what Xorg.0.log says about your modes?
[12:55] <lzap> very nice Ubuntu CD cover, SVG format, 800kb, license: GNU GPL. pay a visit! http://www.linuxexpres.cz/index.php?show=001051023
[12:55] <cef> daniels: I actually got the orig modeline for that from running xorg with nv then using xvidtune to print out the current modeline *grin*
[12:55] <daniels> cef: heh :)
[12:55] <niran> i'm glad i'm not the only one who's been moved to tears by X
[12:55] <lzap> btw can anyone please send an announcement fot the CD cover? i am not in lists and do not want to subscribe, msg me please, thanks
[12:56] <EvilSven> "failed to lock .Xauthority", Anyone got any info on what could be wrong or where I can find info? I did some searching on ubuntu forum and so
[12:57] <membreya> lzap: and what list would that be ?
[12:57] <cef> membreya: can't find the necessary mode.. the mode is listed earlier, but it says 'hsync out of range' for the mode.. I've adjusted the horizsync line from 28-72 to 25-100 and no luck
[12:57] <lzap> mambreya: you choose, devel list or user list? I dunno
[12:57] <daniels> cef: nvidia's probably doing its own crackful mode validation
[12:57] <crschmidt> hm
[12:58] <membreya> lzap: you CAN view the lists online you know :)
[12:58] <daniels> fsvo 'validation' that includes 'throwing away modes silently based on criteria it's not telling you about'
[12:58] <lzap> membreya: i see, but must subscribe :-(
[12:58] <cef> daniels: what if I turn off DPMS (it's set currently)
[12:58] <membreya> lzap: no you don't, you just need to click on the archive
[12:58] <crschmidt> i think it's not letting me restart the network over ssh.
[12:58] <lzap> I want to share it with the community... OH ok will check it out... thnx
[12:59] <crschmidt> what a pain. gotta go upstairs anyway. :p
[12:59] <dabi> #linux
[12:59] <dabi> hmm
[12:59] <dabi> ups
[12:59] <cef> daniels: edid is curring it back to 29-55
[12:59] <cef> cutting even
[01:00] <membreya> lzap: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/ & http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/ & http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/ ... or you can just go to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/lists, click on the lists and then click on the Archives
[01:00] <lzap> cannot find it... theres subscription page...
[01:00] <Hayden> can anyone help me sharing a folder on my linux computer wiht samba
[01:00] <membreya> the archive link is at the top
[01:00] <membreya> under the About
[01:01] <Nermal> Hayden, right click -> share folder
[01:01] <daniels> cef: Option "IgnoreEDID" IIRC
[01:01] <daniels> cef: maybe Option "NoDDC"
[01:01] <cef> daniels: and i can tell you now.. 1440 x 900 @ 60 hz is about 56 Khz
[01:01] <daniels> cef: but you should be able to work just fine without the modes in there at all
[01:01] <Hayden> i can only use the command line
[01:02] <Hayden> plus i tried that on another computer and it didnt work
[01:02] <membreya> Hayden: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#sambaserver
[01:03] <lordphas> Hi
[01:03] <Elsidox> whats the command to change your resolution? Like in the installation.
[01:04] <Nermal> Elsidox, umm. for console or X ?
[01:04] <cef> daniels: yup.. 1440x900@60 = 55.92 Khz, 106.47 Mhz
[01:04] <daniels> cef: hmmm
[01:04] <daniels> cef: i assume nvidia is rounding to 56KHz and testing for < 56
[01:04] <cef> daniels: btw: useful modeline gen: http://www.sh.nu/nvidia/gtf.php
[01:04] <daniels> yeah, gtf.c is handy
[01:05] <cef> daniels: sounds like it
[01:05] <daniels> i'll kick upstream about it for you
[01:05] <membreya> is 5khz THAT much of a problem cef? :)
[01:05] <Elsidox> Nermal, for x
[01:05] <Elsidox> Nermal, *newbie*
[01:05] <Nermal> Elsidox, edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:05] <lordphas> I have a little problem: my new ubuntu installation cannot play media files!Audio works greatly but when I try to play a .mp3, .ogg, .avi, .mpg files both Totem, Rhytmbox or xmms don't work.They say that they cannot read the file.
[01:05] <Nermal> or just goto preferences -> screen resolution in gnome
[01:05] <cef> daniels: cool.. I'll try the IgnoreEDID option and set the sync to 29-56
[01:05] <crschmidt> membreya: when i click system->aadministration->networking, the tool launches for a second then just goes away
[01:05] <Burgundavia> lordphas: see www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:06] <daniels> cef: or 57 might be needed
[01:06] <membreya> crschmidt: then do the other thing I told you :P
[01:06] <catch-> out of curiosity is there any plan to have xorg be able to change screen res/refresh rate etc without restarting the server?
[01:06] <membreya> sudo nano -w /etc/network/adapters
[01:06] <lordphas> I don't think that .ogg is a restricted format!
[01:06] <membreya> catch-: you don't need to restart :|
[01:06] <cef> daniels: well gotta start somewhere
[01:06] <cef> *grin*
[01:06] <catch-> I thought you used to have to
[01:06] <Elsidox> Nermal, my res use to be 1080x1024 or something like that then I upgraded to Hoary. An now i can only change it to 1024x768
[01:06] <crschmidt> membreya: i don't have a network/adapters
[01:06] <Nermal> catch-, thats what all the xrandr stuff does
[01:07] <Nermal> iirc
[01:07] <crschmidt> do have a network/interfaces
[01:07] <membreya> crschmidt: /etc/network/adapters
[01:07] <crschmidt> but editing that doesn't seem to have any effect when I restart networking.
[01:07] <membreya> errrms
[01:07] <membreya> interfaces even
[01:07] <membreya> god
[01:07] <Nermal> Elsidox, enter your correct hsync and vsync into xorg.conf
[01:07] <membreya> I'm such a ditz
[01:07] <niran> what's the command for figuring out which package a file belongs to?
[01:07] <cafuego> dpkg -S
[01:07] <niran> thanks
[01:08] <Elsidox> Nermal, if I only knew what that ment lol
[01:08] <lordphas> and I have already installed all gstreamer plugin
[01:08] <cafuego> Don't thank me, thank kittens!
[01:08] <Nermal> Elsidox, look in your monitor manual :P
[01:08] <daniels> cef: afaict the standard mode validation stuff should validate anything above 56.56MHz, so it looks like an nVidia problem
[01:08] <Nermal> mmm.. kittens
[01:08] <cafuego> Surely dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg PROBES the display.
[01:08] <Elsidox> Nermal, I dont have one =(
[01:08] <cafuego> Nermal: You are NOT cute.
[01:08] <catch-> i like a nice jucy kitten
[01:08] <catch-> with carrots and peas
[01:09] <catch-> and potato
[01:09] <Nermal> Elsidox, manufacturers website
[01:09] <Nermal> cafuego, I never said I was
[01:09] <cef> daniels: horizsync 29-57 works
[01:09] <membreya> cafuego: tell that to jim davis!
[01:09] <membreya> a pic of Nermal !!!
[01:09] <membreya> http://www.absolutefanatic.info/nermal/
[01:10] <Elsidox> Nermal, thanks I think i fixed it. brb
[01:10] <EvilSven> s
[01:10] <lordphas> well, so, anyone know how to help me with my audio problem?
[01:10] <lzap> very nice Ubuntu CD cover, SVG format, 800kb, license: GNU GPL. pay a visit! http://www.linuxexpres.cz/index.php?show=001051023 ENJOY
[01:10] <SmokingFire> anyone here into tv/video capturing?
[01:11] <Nermal> arse
[01:11] <cef> daniels: aha.. Default mode "1440x900": 108.8 MHz, 56.9kHz, 60.2 Hz
[01:11] <lordphas> mmh
[01:12] <lordphas> ????? !!!!!!
[01:12] <lordphas> lol
[01:12] <cef> daniels: want me to report the bug somewhere with some logs of working and failing?
[01:12] <Nermal> lordphas, you have 104 keys at your disposal.. try a few more
[01:12] <membreya> god Nermal, go eat something :P
[01:12] <Nermal> I am eating something but it hasn't kicked in yet
[01:13] <lordphas> 105 Nermal, 105
[01:13] <Nermal> its a tuna sandwich :|
[01:13] <Hayden> membreya, i've read the ubuntuguide on how to setup a samba server and i've shared my home directory, how can i specify the apache /var/www directory to share?
[01:13] <cafuego> Wooden Spoon is an ex-worm!
[01:13] <daniels> cef: that'd be great, thanks :)
[01:13] <Nermal> Hayden, /etc/smb.conf ?
[01:13] <daniels> cef: ah, so we just need a modeline
[01:13] <membreya> Hayden: see the share directories, create one that links to /var/www
[01:13] <crschmid1> membreya: i forgot that i had copied over my ~ from backup since I'd last used the desktop.
[01:13] <membreya> just a hunch
[01:13] <daniels> cef: if you drop it on our bugzilla, with the modeline you worked out, and assign it to xserver-xorg, i'll fix it for 6.8.2-5, which should happen tonight or tomorrow
[01:13] <crschmid1> My .Xauthority had been blown away.
[01:14] <crschmid1> membreya: so, I couldn't start *any* desktop apps :)
[01:14] <membreya> oh yay daniels ...more updates...really the 60mb today weren't enough :P
[01:14] <membreya> dum dum crschmid1 ...still it doesn't compare to me blitzing my harddrive with convertfs
[01:14] <cef> daniels: no modeline needed anymore btw. just HorizSync 29-57, and IgnoreEDID
[01:14] <crschmid1> Thanks for the help.
[01:15] <cef> daniels: I'll get onto the bugzilla stuff now
[01:15] <lordphas> I have a little problem: my new ubuntu installation cannot play media files!Audio works greatly but when I try to play a .mp3, .ogg, .avi, .mpg files both Totem, Rhytmbox or xmms don't work.They say that they cannot read the file.I have already installed all gstreamer plugins.
[01:15] <membreya> must be good to actually fix something rather than being a person like me and just bitching cef :)
[01:15] <pepsi> the ubuntu update manager thing in the notification area always says theres an update availabe cause i locked an old version of a package
[01:16] <cef> membreya: hehe.. well I try.. I tend to come across weird hardware
[01:16] <pepsi> id think that it should shut up if the only updates available are locked packages
[01:16] <kent> Will Ubuntu continue to only ship with one CD, or will it some time in the future start shipping it on more CDs? It seems that is the size of some packages on the CD gets larger, then some packages have to be removed..  or?
[01:17] <SmokingFire> If one would want to write his/her own pvr software (for tv capturing) what would be better? To directly capture and convert to the video into mpeg2/mpeg4 (assuming no hardware support for this) OR to capture say with a delay, meaning get 250MB (or so) of uncompressed data on the HD and convert that. I would think that would be better as then you don't suffer framedrops etc.
[01:17] <Nermal> SmokingFire, ask in #mythtv ;)
[01:17] <cef> kent: perhaps.. perhaps not....
[01:17] <SmokingFire> Nermal: OK
[01:18] <Nermal> seeing as that is what mythtv is
[01:18] <membreya> hooray..another 4Mb file coming down..the updates are quick 'n' fast today :D
[01:19] <Nermal> hmm
[01:19] <kent> cef, but it would be bad if a future ubuntu release would have to remove some package from the cd becaus the size is of the one CD is limited. That would sort of make a distribution that from release to release continues to remove stuff just becaus of the ida that it should fit on one cd. :(
[01:19] <membreya> im SO glad the release of ubuntu is next month, means my data cap gets reset :)
[01:19] <Nermal> is the ubuntu update manager meant to notice updates appearing in realtime ?
[01:19] <lordphas> sigh why noone help me :bua:
[01:19] <Nermal> or does it just check periodically
[01:19] <membreya> kent: that's why everyone should have a dvd :P
[01:19] <membreya> Nermal: I believe it runs with a cron
[01:20] <sic> any ideas on I/O errors copying from an NTFS partition on one hdd to an ext3 partition on another hard drive?
[01:20] <kent> membreya, I dont have a Dvd, although my computer is fairly new. I just didn't afford a dvd.
[01:20] <brbr> help! new install hoary amd64 -- network connection icon gives me this : SIOCGIFFLAGS error: no such device
[01:20] <membreya> Nermal: /etc/cron.daily/apt
[01:21] <Nermal> sic, are they on the same file or random ones ?
[01:21] <Nermal> membreya, ta
[01:21] <sic> random
[01:21] <brbr> I can connect to the internet and xchat, no problem.  I'm using ethernet, to a router
[01:21] <brbr> there's wireless on this machine, but I haven't tried to use it
[01:22] <cef> kent: the installer can handle more than one cd afaik, and there is still a fair bit slack space (stuff that isn't as well compressed)
[01:22] <Nermal> sic, knackered disk ?
[01:23] <SmokingFire> so when will openoffice come with ubuntu?
[01:23] <Nermal> now ?
[01:23] <Hayden> it does
[01:23] <SmokingFire> What is ubuntu's policy regarding beta software?
[01:23] <Hayden> doesnt it
[01:23] <Nermal> yup
[01:23] <Nermal> openoffice 1.x and 2.x
[01:23] <SmokingFire> Nermal, Hayden: Sorry I meant openoffice 2.0 beta.
[01:23] <Nermal> thats in ther
[01:24] <Hayden> yea
[01:24] <Nermal> apt-get install openoffice.org2
[01:24] <Hayden> ok
[01:24] <SmokingFire> I mean on the CD.
[01:24] <Nermal> oh
[01:24] <SmokingFire> not apt.
[01:24] <sic> Nermal, disk is fine
[01:24] <Nermal> after hoary
[01:24] <Nermal> I imagine
[01:24] <Nermal> as oo 2.x isn't going to be out for a while ..
[01:25] <SmokingFire> yeah but oo.org is so ugly on gnome, I think oo 2 is much better for with ubuntu makes it slicker.
[01:25] <Nermal> hum
[01:25] <Nermal> well I find oo 1.x with the gnome support package looks fine
[01:25] <Nermal> even has a gtk2 file selector
[01:26] <SmokingFire> It looks like when you wear clothing who's colors don't match.
[01:26] <gilles> my sound server has a problem on hoary, the sound works in application only when the system sound is unactive, or killed with "killall -9 esd", what should I do to make it work properly ?
[01:26] <membreya> I would love to install OO.o2 but silly system won't let me :(
[01:26] <membreya> fix it daniels :P
[01:26] <brbr> Can anyone explain what a SIOCGIFFLAGS error is; I've googled, still unclear
[01:27] <Nermal> SmokingFire, please provide evidence for your pointless argument which I have already addressed
[01:27] <brbr> assume it has to do with wireless, which I'm not using (not intentionally anyway)
[01:27] <Nermal> oo 1.x + oo gnome support = nice openoffice
[01:27] <SmokingFire> Can hoary now select the default audio device?
[01:27] <supos> How ready is Hoary at this point? I'm visiting my parents next week, and I was considering upgrading their computer from Warty
[01:27] <membreya> yes SmokingFire
[01:27] <Nermal> supos, well its in preview 1
[01:28] <Nermal> not sure if this is an RC
[01:28] <membreya> brbr: SIOCGIFFLAGS, what device is it saying doesn't exist?
[01:28] <SmokingFire> If I attach my logitech quickcam during installation the OS thinks its the playback device and ignores my soundcard. Redhat (two years, last time I tried it) had the same problem. However mandrake was cool with it.
[01:29] <supos> Nermal: And if I upgrade now, there won't be any problems when it goes final? (My arents can apt-get upgrade using synaptic without my help)
[01:29] <brbr> membreya, I get this error when I click on the network connections icon
[01:29] <Nermal> SmokingFire, I imagine it will work
[01:29] <crschmidt> The Ubuntu software upgrader tool is pretty slick.
[01:29] <Nermal> just select which devices you want to record from
[01:29] <brbr> and it's not showing my ethernet connection at all
[01:29] <brbr> though the connection seems to be working
[01:29] <Nermal> supos, I presume so.. you will have to uncomment 2 lines in apt.sources to get security updates
[01:30] <membreya> brbr: do an ifconfig -a
[01:30] <brbr> is that ifconfig, or ipconfig?
[01:30] <Nermal> ifconfig
[01:30] <brbr> (noob here)
[01:30] <Nermal> interface config
[01:30] <Nermal> why the fuck ms decided on ipconfig is beyond me
[01:30] <supos> Nermal: Okay, I have ssh access to their box, so I should be able to do that for them
[01:30] <brbr> thanks guys
[01:30] <Nermal> fsck*
[01:30] <membreya> ifconfig
[01:30] <membreya> ipconfig is windows :P
[01:30] <Nermal> supos, yah.. :)
[01:31] <SmokingFire> Nermal: Not just record but the issue was playback. However the webcam has no speakers. But for some reason is registered as an audio device. This only when the cam is attached (via usb) during installation.
[01:32] <brbr> ok, I did ifconfig, and I see info for eth0 and lo (what's that, loopback?  I don't even know what that is)
[01:32] <crschmidt> lo is 127.0.0.1
[01:32] <SmokingFire> Nermal: and this was/is in warty. haven't tried hoary (messed a bit but not seriously)
[01:32] <membreya> brbr: you have a wireless card?
[01:32] <Nermal> dunno then
[01:32] <membreya> what does your dmesg say about it ?
[01:32] <Nermal> I gues buy a webcam with open specs
[01:32] <brbr> I do, built in to the new laptop.
[01:32] <membreya> brbr: do a ifup wlan0
[01:33] <membreya> then do an ifconfig -a again
[01:34] <lordphas> I have a little problem: my new ubuntu installation cannot play media files!Audio works greatly but when I try to play a .mp3, .ogg, .avi, .mpg files both Totem, Rhytmbox or xmms don't work.They say that they cannot read the file.I have already installed all gstreamer plugins.
[01:34] <brbr> membreya, tried that, got ifup: failed to open statefile /etc/network/ifstate: permission denied
[01:34] <membreya> gah
[01:34] <membreya> use sudo
[01:34] <Nermal> lordphas, apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins
[01:34] <Nermal> make sure you have universe and all that in your sources.list
[01:35] <brbr> rats!  I'd assumed te sudo I'd just done would still hold...
[01:35] <Nermal> the gstreamer mad plugin will give you mp3 support
[01:35] <Nermal> but that is in universe I think or maybe multiverse
[01:35] <membreya> brbr: if you want that, then do a sudo -s
[01:35] <crschmidt> Hm. My screensaver was running really slow: I wonder if I don't have the nvidia proprietary drivers instlaled or something
[01:35] <Nermal> Section: universe/libs
[01:36] <membreya> crschmidt: what does /etc/X11/xorg.conf say as your driver?
[01:36] <brbr> ah... ok I got Ignoring unknown interface wlan0=wlan0, and more info
[01:36] <crschmidt> "nv"
[01:36] <membreya> crschmidt: change it to nvidia
[01:36] <membreya> "providing" you have the nvidia driver installed :)
[01:36] <cef> daniels: #7732
[01:36] <crschmidt> How would I check if I have it installed?
[01:37] <dmoyne> Please can we safely install KDE 3.4 from hoary when being wary ? ; thanks
[01:37] <Nermal> aptitude show nvidia-glx ?
[01:37] <crschmidt> ah, modprobe worked
[01:37] <membreya> crschmidt: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[01:37] <membreya> ok :)
[01:37] <Riddell> dmoyne: yes
[01:37] <cef> daniels: anyway for the moment I'm happy.. scorched3d works.. *grin*
[01:37] <membreya> brbr: what does your dmesg say
[01:37] <crschmidt> so, then I have to restart Xorg...
[01:37] <membreya> cef: scorched3d?
[01:37] <membreya> crschmidt: yes
[01:37] <daniels> cef: heh, rad :) chers dude
[01:37] <daniels> cheers, even
[01:37] <membreya> crschmidt: ctrl+alt+backspace
[01:37] <crschmidt> ctrl-alt-delete? :)
[01:38] <cef> membreya: played Scorched Earth
[01:38] <crschmidt> er, yeah
[01:38] <Nermal> crschmidt, /etc/init.d/gdm restart ?
[01:38] <cef> membreya: ??
[01:38] <membreya> cef: I loved scored earth :)
[01:38] <membreya> scorched even
[01:38] <membreya> dher
[01:38] <membreya> too tired, cold and hungry
[01:38] <brbr> dmesg?  sorry, membreya, don't know what that is.  I see about 17 lines here
[01:38] <membreya> but my ubuntu is running.. i can exist
[01:38] <dmoyne> last time I tried I got messed-up ? ; another example I have installed xorg as replacement of XFree but I had to link xorg.conf to Xfree84.conf to get a proper set-up !
[01:38] <cef> membreya: scorched3d is an openGL version.. it's in universe afaik
[01:38] <membreya> brbr: do a dmesg > dmesg.txt
[01:38] <Hayden> whats a ftp server i can install ?
[01:38] <membreya> and upload it somewhere
[01:38] <membreya> Hayden: ftpd
[01:39] <Hayden> ok
[01:39] <membreya> cef: getting it now :D
[01:39] <membreya> crack-attack is driving me nuts
[01:39] <cef> heh
[01:39] <membreya> I was in a meeting at work, and all I could think of was playing crack-attack
[01:39] <Echylo> :D
[01:40] <membreya> dmoyne: xorg.conf should automatically be linked to xfree84.conf
[01:40] <membreya> erm 86
[01:40] <dmoyne> it was not at least in the hoary I loaded from at the time !!!!
[01:40] <brbr> hmm, big file membreya.  What am I looking for exactly?
[01:41] <membreya> brbr: upload it somewhere and I will check it
[01:41] <membreya> cef: ..bad corruption on mine :|
[01:41] <membreya> but then again, I have agpgart loading instead of nvagp :(
[01:41] <sam__> hi, anyone here using ndiswrapper on hoary?
[01:41] <membreya> I don't want to recompile my kernel :'(
[01:42] <Echylo> wow
[01:42] <Echylo> can it be that ubuntu updates today count 129 ?
[01:42] <dmoyne> next question if I  want to download kernel 2.6.10+ where to get it from ?
[01:42] <SiRrUs> Echylo only 67 for me :)
[01:42] <brbr> I'll have to try that another time-- membreya -- need to run to work, don't want you to lose your time over it now.  Thanks.
[01:42] <Echylo> hmm
[01:42] <Nermal> dmoyne, apt-get
[01:43] <membreya> ok then :)
[01:43] <membreya> Echylo: yup, busy day :)
[01:43] <Echylo> lel
[01:43] <membreya> only 60Mb of updates for me tho
[01:43] <dmoyne> oy synaptic for me as I hate console commands but then what repositry ?
[01:43] <Echylo> 191mb for me
[01:43] <crschmidt> apparently the ability to modprobe nvidia doesn't mean much.
[01:43] <membreya> crschmidt: ?
[01:43] <membreya> ouch Echylo
[01:43] <Nermal> Priority: optional
[01:43] <Nermal> Section: universe/base
[01:43] <crschmidt> Xorg complained it couldn't load nvidia when I restarted.
[01:43] <membreya> crschmidt: did you disable DRI ?
[01:44] <crschmidt> membreya: I don't know?
[01:44] <crschmidt> If it's not done by default, no :)
[01:44] <membreya> oi vay
[01:44] <Echylo> most are x.org updates?
[01:44] <membreya> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver <- read, absorb, grow :)
[01:44] <SiRrUs> y
[01:44] <crschmidt> but... but... documentation? :(
[01:44] <membreya> that's for your crschmidt
[01:44] <membreya> :)
[01:44] <ncp> be sure that glx i loaded, and dri and glcore is removede
[01:45] <dmoyne> to nermal : thanks
[01:45] <Nermal> np
[01:45] <membreya> so ...cef...wanna help me with my nvsound ? :P
[01:45] <ncp> that how it was with xfree86.conf but in ubuntu im not sure
[01:46] <membreya> and cef ...wanna tell me how to remove agpgart without recompiling my kernel :P :P :P
[01:46] <lordphas> Nermal: I already installe gstream's plugins and i have universe
[01:46] <cef> membreya: don't have nvsound sorry..
[01:46] <crschmidt> membreya: are you sure that's the link you meant?
[01:46] <cef> membreya: do you need to remove it, or just stop it from loading?
[01:46] <sam__> my Dell Truemobile 1350 has stopped working under ndiswrapper since i upgraded to hoary (ran fine under warty) ...  anyone know what might be the problem?
[01:46] <membreya> how about agpgart? :)
[01:46] <daniels> cef: which 55.9xKHz modeline did you come up with?
[01:46] <Nermal> lordphas, worked for me :|
[01:46] <membreya> cef: remove it, or stop it from loading..nvidia complains about it and my 3d performance is crap
[01:46] <daniels> cef: if you drop me the exact modeline, then I can include it in our stock set, and that should get rid of the problem
[01:47] <lordphas> Nermal: it don't play neither .ogg that is a supported format!!
[01:47] <membreya> cef: geforce4000, amd64 3200...I get 400fps on glxgears
[01:47] <cef> daniels: but that was for 59 Hz refresh
[01:48] <daniels> cef: oh, right ... hm
[01:48] <Nermal> with totem you can change ethe backend to xine if you want
[01:48] <cef> daniels: but sure, I can add that to the bugilla entry
[01:48] <Nermal> apt-get install totem-xine
[01:48] <daniels> cef	ta
[01:49] <lordphas> Nermal: i try
[01:49] <dmoyne> to nerval : I tried unsuccessfully the following :
[01:49] <dmoyne> URI:http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[01:49] <dmoyne> Distribution : Warty
[01:49] <dmoyne> Section: optional universe base
[01:49] <dmoyne> what is wrong ?
[01:49] <crschmidt> hm. can't start gdm
[01:49] <cef> daniels: there is one in there for 60.2 (the default one).. but the EDID thing blocks it
[01:49] <crschmidt> just get "fail"
[01:49] <crschmidt> Is there a log for that somewhere?
[01:49] <daniels> cef: right
[01:49] <cef> daniels: and the default xorg line is exactly that mode
[01:49] <daniels> ahr
[01:50] <cef> ie: nvidia honours EDID and cuts out the useful res.. whereas xorg doesn't and can therefore use it
[01:50] <lordphas> wow now work!
[01:50] <lordphas> thx
[01:50] <Nermal> dmoyne, you're not on hoary
[01:51] <lordphas> I love ya man
[01:51] <crschmidt> restart fixed it. silly me.
[01:51] <dmoyne> ah I have to replace warty by hoary ! are othe sections fine ?
[01:51] <cef> membreya: either add agpgart to the hotplug block list, or you can turn it off in /etc/modutils
[01:53] <membreya> cef: I've added it to /etc/hotplug/blacklist ...but it's not stopping it ...I'm not sure how to use modutils :( only been using ubuntu for about a month
[01:53] <Hayden> how can i change the users and root folders for ftpd
[01:53] <dtygel> Hi all: question about "crontab" and the daily, monthly and weekly crons... does someone understand about this? :)
[01:53] <membreya> whats wrong dtygel
[01:54] <dmoyne> nerval : with the change it wtill does not work !
[01:54] <dtygel> membreya: I've put a script in cron.daily, but it doesnt execute daily...
[01:54] <dtygel> well, it doesnt execute at all...
[01:54] <membreya> did you chmod +x it ?
[01:54] <cef> membreya: try 'echo alias agpgart off >> /etc/modutils/local.noagpgart' then 'update-modules'
[01:55] <cef> membreya: all as root of course
[01:55] <dtygel> the script? yes. I'm executing it right now...
[01:55] <dtygel> ...manually
[01:56] <membreya> trying now cef...thanks for your help ...will be back :)
[01:57] <odie5533> How do I unmount a device?
[01:57] <odie5533> I accidently mounted a cdrom drive, and now I can't eject it
[01:57] <dizzie> umount <dev>
[01:57] <dtygel> odie: umount {name of the device or mount point of the device}
[01:57] <odie5533> command not found
[01:58] <odie5533> same with sudo unmount
[01:58] <dtygel> odie: for the cdrom, just right-lick it and ask for "eject"
[01:58] <dizzie> umount
[01:58] <odie5533> I mounted it again
[01:58] <dizzie> not unmount
[01:58] <odie5533> oh
[01:58] <dtygel> odie: it isnt "unmount", its "umount"!
[01:58] <odie5533> it isn't letting me
[01:58] <garrut> just right-lick it like dtygel says ;)
[01:58] <odie5533> says its mounted multiple times
[01:58] <dtygel> kkkk :)
[01:59] <odie5533> I mounted it twise, since I didn't know what it was
[01:59] <dtygel> mis-spell: right-click...
[01:59] <odie5533> and I was randomely mounting things try to get my windows hard drives mounted
[01:59] <garrut> you can't mount a device twice
[01:59] <dtygel> odie: in desktop there is a gray disc, isnt it?
[01:59] <odie5533> yes
[01:59] <garrut> it's either mounted or it isn't
[01:59] <odie5533> Its there I see it
[01:59] <odie5533> right click eject
[01:59] <dtygel> so, just right-click it!
[01:59] <dtygel> odie: yes.
[01:59] <odie5533> umount: it seems /dev/hdb is mounted multiple times
[01:59] <odie5533> eject: unmount of `/dev/hdb' failed
[02:00] <membreya> cef: ...still no go :(
[02:00] <cef> membreya: any luck?
[02:00] <membreya> my dmesg gives NVRM: not using NVAGP, an AGPGART backend is loaded!
[02:00] <odie5533> I mounted it twice
[02:00] <dtygel> odie: maybe there is a nautilus window open. Close all windows
[02:00] <odie5533> to two diff directories
[02:00] <dtygel> odie: it's impossible to mount it twice...
[02:00] <cef> membreya: so 'lsmod |grep agpgart' still shows the module as loaded?
[02:00] <dtygel> odie: what are the directories?
[02:00] <odie5533> nah I just closed all my windows but this one
[02:00] <membreya> did i mention it loads with the kernel ? :)
[02:01] <odie5533> /mnt/hdb
[02:01] <odie5533> and /cdrom i think
[02:01] <axn> hey
[02:01] <odie5533> er /media/cdrom0
[02:01] <cef> membreya: agpgart isn't part of the ubuntu kernel.. it's a module
[02:01] <dtygel> odie, try this. First say umount /mnt/hdb
[02:01] <garrut> there's supposed to be a number after the hdb..
[02:01] <dtygel> in console what happens?
[02:01] <membreya> cef: lsmod |grep agpgart never shows it loading
[02:01] <garrut> hdb1 or hdb2 etc..
[02:02] <membreya> dmesg |grep agpgart shows..
[02:02] <petemc> to get a framebuffer console in hoary, do i need to do anything more than uncomment the kopt line and add vga=XXX in menu.lst?
[02:02] <odie5533> worked, thankyou
[02:02] <odie5533> How do I go about mounting my windows harddisks though?
[02:02] <membreya> sorry for the 4 lines of text people
[02:02] <membreya> agpgart: Detected AGP bridge 0
[02:02] <membreya> agpgart: Setting up Nforce3 AGP.
[02:02] <membreya> agpgart: Maximum main memory to use for agp memory: 439M
[02:02] <membreya> agpgart: AGP aperture is 256M @ 0xc0000000
[02:02] <membreya> Linux agpgart interface v0.100 (c) Dave Jones
[02:02] <lordphas> well now Totem plays both audio and video files, but rhytmbox not
[02:02] <Myrtti> 5!
[02:02] <membreya> 6 soz :P
[02:02] <cef> membreya: hrm
[02:03] <membreya> hrm indeed cef :)
[02:04] <garrut> odie5533, check which disk to mount with fdisk -l. then just mount it
[02:04] <cef> membreya: and you're using the default ubuntu kernel?
[02:04] <garrut> also, it should be in your /etc/fstab
[02:04] <membreya> cef: yup, everytime in the past I've tried to compile my own I've been met with panics
[02:04] <membreya> currently running 2.6.11-1
[02:05] <cef> membreya: amd64 did you say?
[02:05] <membreya> yes indeed cef
[02:05] <Hayden> how can i check how much free space i have (in a shell)
[02:05] <dtygel> people: can someone help me activating crontab? it seems like it doesn't work,,,
[02:05] <cef> membreya: could perhaps be that amd64 has agpgart built in
[02:05] <garrut> df -h
[02:05] <membreya> amd64 kernel cef?
[02:06] <cef> membreya: yeah.. or perhaps the new kernel has agpgart inline.. Im using 2.6.10-something
[02:06] <daniels> mmm?
[02:06] <daniels> nope, agpgart isn't inline on amd64
[02:07] <ncp> is there an easy way to set up an mailserver? maybe at apps i could apt-get an set every thing up with GUI?
[02:07] <membreya> daniels: hmmm doing an lsmod |grep agpgart show's nothing
[02:07] <membreya> yet my dmesg says it's loading and nvidia is cracking the shits with it
[02:07] <niran> does anyone know why ubuntu doesn't have the hplip hp printer drivers?
[02:07] <daniels> membreya: dunno.  i don't have an amd64 machine with agp, anyway.  but i'm pretty certain it's not inline.
[02:07] <membreya> daniels: pci-e? :)
[02:08] <daniels> membreya: yeah
[02:09] <membreya> ncp: get sendmail and use webmin to configure it
[02:09] <niran> oh nvm, i think i see why
[02:09] <niran> it depends on Qt.
[02:09] <membreya> daniels: elitist rich person :P
[02:10] <membreya> .... in a god like way of course :)
[02:12] <Hayden> where can i find some help with ftpd other than 'man ftpd'
[02:13] <daniels> membreya: hah.  i'm a poor student.
[02:17] <membreya> cef: I'll hit the forums for info on the agpgart :)
[02:23] <membreya> main thing that annoys me is I do a cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status and it says "disabled"
[02:23] <R0bNyc> Why now after I rebooted either to 2.6.10-4-386 or 2.6.10-5-386 gdm doesnt show up,
[02:23] <R0bNyc> it starts in the init 3 (Console)
[02:23] <rogo> q: i know I can change a MAC address with ifconfig, but how would I do it at bootup - before a DHCP request is made ?
[02:23] <deFrysk> Linux has helped the Renault Formula 1 team to slash its engine and chassis computational analysis time by 90 per cent.
[02:23] <Echylo> yaay updated
[02:23] <Echylo> membreya I hope for you crack-attack isn't addictive
[02:23] <ncp> membreya: i was told that sendmail not a good idea. postfix, qmail,exim ore something like that where the only ones that workede?
[02:24] <Nermal> deFrysk, it also made me pregnant
[02:24] <membreya> qmail is good :)
[02:24] <Nermal> </wild claims>
[02:24] <deFrysk> lol Nermal
[02:24] <Nermal> bah.. sore throat :|
[02:24] <membreya> rogo: changing the physical address of your network card? :|
[02:24] <Nermal> rogo, I tried that one for a while :|
[02:24] <membreya> Echylo: yes..I am addicted to crack-attack
[02:25] <Myrtti> membreya: macspoofing
[02:25] <Echylo> pfiew
[02:25] <Echylo> I will not
[02:25] <Myrtti> perfectly possible, though hard if no experience
[02:25] <Echylo> not my game
[02:25] <membreya> aaah Myrtti :)
[02:25] <schasi> wtf is crack-attack?
[02:25] <membreya> trickkkky
[02:25] <membreya> schasi: sudo apt-get install crack-attack ..and kiss your sanity goodbye
[02:26] <schasi> membreya: Im not running debian atm
[02:26] <Hayden> what port does ssh use?
[02:26] <Nermal> 22
[02:26] <libpng> 22
[02:26] <Hayden> ok thanks
[02:27] <Nermal> I love questions like that :)
[02:28] <rogo> membreya,  i didn't realize you could change the physical address (?)
[02:30] <Myrtti> rogo: you can't, but you can fake it
[02:30] <Myrtti> spoof it
[02:30] <rogo> Myrtti, well.. i cando it manually easy enough with ifconfig..
[02:30] <rogo> Myrtti, the question is, how to do it automagiaclly..
[02:30] <Myrtti> that I don't know
[02:31] <rogo> i'm think ifup or something..
[02:33] <keffoo> seem to have a problem with opening .rar files
[02:33] <keffoo> what app do you guys use?
[02:34] <rogo> anyone else having gnome/desktop problems with hoary ?
[02:34] <libpng> keffoo, apt-get install rar or unrar
[02:34] <rogo> the um. start bar (or whatever it's called) doesn't appear at login
[02:34] <cef> ok, any grub specialists here? how do I dual boot 2 linux installs that are both using grub? It works when I first install, but when I get new kernel images (in either ubuntu or debian - i'm dual-booting between them), only the last grub that was installed gets updated
[02:35] <InitMass> is it possible to change safe mode by writing safe_mode = On in .htaccess?
[02:35] <keffoo> hm it is the newest version
[02:35] <keffoo> weird
[02:35] <prego> cef, sure
[02:36] <keffoo> !"#(#
[02:36] <prego> cef, you need to make an entry from one install at the other. Only one grub may be working at a time
[02:36] <scizzo> keffoo: what unrar package?
[02:36] <cef> prego: ok.. hrm
[02:37] <scizzo> keffoo: dpkg -l | grep unrar
[02:37] <keffoo> scizzo: root@keffo:/home/keffo # apt-get install unrar
[02:37] <keffoo> Reading Package Lists... Done
[02:37] <keffoo> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[02:37] <keffoo> unrar is already the newest version.
[02:37] <keffoo> k
[02:37] <cef> prego: just wondering how I'll co-ordinate that.. but should be possible.. hrm
[02:37] <keffoo> ii  unrar          0.0.1-1        Unarchiver for .rar files
[02:37] <scizzo> keffoo: that won't work with new rar archives
[02:37] <scizzo> keffoo: you will need the unrar-nonfree
[02:37] <keffoo> oh ok
[02:37] <keffoo> how'll i dod that?
[02:37] <prego> cef, However, I think there is one way to install grub at the partition instead to at the boot sector, so you can have a grub on the bootloader that calls the "second" grub
[02:38] <scizzo> keffoo: from the universe archives
[02:38] <keffoo> ok
[02:38] <keffoo> ill go look in some .deb archive
[02:38] <cef> prego: hrm.. just looking at the menu.lst file at the moment
[02:38] <prego> cef, which requires two menus at the end, to select the kernel you want to run if it is the case of being the second install....
[02:38] <R0bNyc> Ubuntu Preview (Up to date) is missing a lot of the app icons
[02:38] <scizzo> keffoo: in synaptics you can edit the different repositories there
[02:39] <scizzo> keffoo: add the universe and so on in there
[02:39] <keffoo> ok
[02:39] <prego> cef, yeah, at the menu.lst you need to add an entry to the second grub; and the second grub you need to run it so it installs in the partition not in the boot
[02:39] <prego> cef, sorry for my english... but I guess that it is more or less clear...
[02:39] <Grexo> maybe someone can help me........
[02:40] <Grexo> its not related to ubuntu
[02:40] <scizzo> Grexo: maybe tell us your problem...
[02:40] <keffoo> scizzo: i wont be forced to install anything more than unrar-nonfree
[02:40] <scizzo> "I hurt!" yeah...but where does it hurt?
[02:40] <thefish> Grexo, is it drugs?
[02:40] <Grexo> scizzo its not with ubuntu
[02:40] <prego> cef, the point is that the second grub needs to be run with special option (see manual page, probably you'll find info about that)- and you need to know also the syntax for the the first one so launches the second one
[02:40] <scizzo> Grexo: well...we can't read minds...so tell us the problem and then maybe we can help you
[02:40] <Grexo> thefish:  Is unlimited wireless internet at terrabit speeds for the cost of a linksys router = drugs? if so then yes
[02:40] <Grexo> and unlimited range too
[02:41] <EvilSven> Failed to run /usr/sbin/synaptic:
[02:41] <EvilSven>  Unable to copy the user's Xauthorization file
[02:41] <Grexo> this guy was threatened with his life from the communications companies
[02:41] <EvilSven> any ideas?
[02:41] <thefish> unlimited range wireless = drugs
[02:41] <keffoo> root@keffo:/home/keffo # apt-get install unrar-nonfree
[02:41] <keffoo> Reading Package Lists... Done
[02:41] <keffoo> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[02:41] <keffoo> Package unrar-nonfree is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[02:41] <keffoo> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[02:41] <keffoo> is only available from another source
[02:41] <keffoo> E: Package unrar-nonfree has no installation candidate
[02:41] <Grexo> he tried to patent and the us government claimed national security
[02:41] <cef> prego: if only menu.lst supported includes
[02:41] <scizzo> keffoo: stop flooding
[02:41] <keffoo> sorry, didnt thought it was that much text.
[02:41] <johso> hmm, how do I change/view my soundcard drivers? my sound is not exactly optimal..
[02:41] <Grexo> i wanted to talk to people who worked with communications techs
[02:41] <Grexo> any idea where i would go?
[02:42] <scizzo> keffoo: apt-cache search unrar
[02:42] <thefish> Grexo, sounds like locust
[02:42] <Grexo> locust?
[02:42] <prego> EvilSven, try "xauth list :0"
[02:42] <keffoo> root@keffo:/home/keffo # apt-cache search unrar
[02:42] <keffoo> unrar - Unarchiver for .rar files
[02:42] <keffoo> and its already the latest it says
[02:42] <redissexy> guys, I'm just loving the latest hoary theme and gnome and everything. :-) nice job
[02:42] <prego> EvilSven, does it display a funny line or it gives you an error?
[02:42] <scizzo> keffoo: you haven't fixed with the repositories then
[02:42] <thefish> Grexo, http://www.locustworld.com/
[02:42] <keffoo> ok
[02:42] <keffoo> ?
[02:43] <prego> redissexy, ta ta ta taaaa taaaaaaa I'm loving it :-P
[02:43] <scizzo> keffoo: did you enable universe?
[02:43] <keffoo> ys
[02:43] <keffoo> and i now i got 150 new updates
[02:43] <scizzo> keffoo: did you run apt-get update?
[02:43] <Grexo> thefish no its not wireless mesh
[02:43] <niran> keffoo: the free unrar uses different command line options or something, so it breaks file roller. the unrar-nonfree package will fix it, which you can get from packages.debian.org
[02:44] <EvilSven> prego, will do, root owns .Xauthority
[02:44] <niran> ubuntu doesn't have it
[02:44] <niran> according to my apt-cache
[02:44] <ncp> i have installede exim & exim-webmin, but there is nothing to set up in webmin? if i want to have courier-imap also, should i just apt-get it an i can configurate it in webmin?
[02:44] <thefish> so your friend has invented terabit speed wireless with unlimited range?
[02:44] <scizzo> keffoo: running hoary or warty?
[02:45] <keffoo> hoary
[02:45] <niran> scizzo: i don't think ubuntu has the package
[02:45] <niran> even in universe
[02:45] <scizzo> keffoo: then multiverse is what you are looking for
[02:45] <niran> maybe multiverse
[02:45] <keffoo> ill go to packages
[02:45] <prego> EvilSven, in my case I'm the owner of .Xauthority
[02:45] <scizzo> niran: no? Filename: pool/multiverse/u/unrar-nonfree/unrar-nonfree_3.4.3-1_i386.deb
[02:45] <scizzo> niran: what do you call that?
[02:45] <DellX200x86> hey I have a question. I am extremely new to linux and I'm trying to install the newest warty (and I tried hoary as well) on my Dell Latitude X200, and the install screen is extremely warped
[02:45] <rogo> ok. let's give this a try.. rebooting
[02:46] <niran> scizzo: yeah, i said maybe multiverse. i forgot that i didn;t have that enabled
[02:46] <keffoo> just send me the goddamn file ;P
[02:46] <niran> i was wondering where i got it from, cause i didn't remember downloading it from debian
[02:46] <EvilSven> prego, might be it
[02:46] <keffoo> so what i need is multiverse?
[02:46] <scizzo> niran: well I thought he might be using warty and universe might have it in there...but seems like he is using hoary and so he needs multiverse
[02:46] <prego> EvilSven, why just dont change permissions of that file?
[02:46] <Grexo> thefish:  hes not a friend actually
[02:46] <shadeofgrey> has openoffice 2 beta been added to apt get yet?
[02:47] <Grexo> more like a collegue
[02:47] <Grexo> but
[02:47] <Hayden> where can i find help about ftpd?
[02:47] <Grexo> yeah thats the jist
[02:47] <prego> EvilSven, sudo chwown user:usergrp .Xauthority
[02:47] <Grexo> thefish:  Remember the days of 100mpg carberators?
[02:47] <DellX200x86> :-(
[02:47] <Grexo> they worked too and they proved it was working
[02:48] <josem> hey, could someone help me. I need a ftp source to include in /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:48] <Grexo> and yet we still ran on cars that sucked mass fuel
[02:48] <Hayden> josem, thats waht i am trying to do
[02:48] <DellX200x86> can nobody help me get this working on my x200? It's a display issue
[02:48] <DellX200x86> of some sort
[02:48] <josem> 'cause i want to download the aolserver from aptitude but can't find it right now
[02:49] <niran> scizzo: what i don't understand is why file roller doesn't work with the free unrar.
[02:49] <scizzo> niran: I have no idea
[02:49] <scizzo> niran: works with the nonfree one if I am not wrong
[02:49] <EvilSven> prego, thanks
[02:49] <Grexo> George Arlington Moore invented it
[02:49] <keffoo> ok, so there is still 150 updates..
[02:49] <keffoo> that it wants to do
[02:49] <keffoo> hm
[02:50] <keffoo> and im not using universe anymore
[02:50] <scizzo> keffoo: did you enable multiverse?
[02:50] <Grexo> also Charles N. Pogue
[02:50] <keffoo> i did not, thought i should get rid of all those packages
[02:50] <josem> hey lok . do u know some ftp source to get aolserver from aptitude
[02:50] <DellX200x86> I want to enable the universe but my screen goes blank when it tries to boot
[02:50] <joh> eh, what is wrong? My mouse is dead in X. I cannot switch between any windows, ...?
[02:51] <scizzo> keffoo: well the unrar-nonfree package is in multiverse anyway
[02:51] <lok> what's that aolserver?
[02:51] <keffoo> ok
[02:51] <keffoo> how do i get those packages away then? ;P
[02:51] <DellX200x86> hey I have a question. I am extremely new to linux and I'm trying to install the newest warty (and I tried hoary as well) on my Dell Latitude X200, and the install screen is extremely warped, like the lines are out of sync.
[02:52] <josem> aolserver is a web server
[02:52] <josem> using postgreSQL
[02:52] <roshambo> hi all. can anyone tell me what kernel version is hoary intending to be released with?
[02:52] <niran> 2.6.10
[02:52] <petemc> the advice on the wiki wrt codecs is to grab them from mplayer site and install etc manually, is it not advisable to use marillats packages?
[02:52] <roshambo> great, thanks
[02:52] <cef> roshambo: 2.6.10 with patches
[02:53] <keffoo> 
[02:53] <scizzo> keffoo: they won't upgrade unless you tell them to upgrade
[02:53] <scizzo> 
[02:53] <keffoo> just testing
[02:53] <roshambo> cef: is the list of patches on the ubuntu site somewhere?
[02:53] <keffoo> thought that EvilSven's quitmessage wasnt just fuxed up. ;P
[02:53] <keffoo> thought it was my keymap
[02:53] <keffoo> ,P
[02:53] <scizzo> no
[02:53] <scizzo> he is using UTF-8
[02:53] <josem> does anybody knows 'bout a ftp source for ubuntu to include in sources.list
[02:53] <DellX200x86> can anybody see my text?
[02:54] <scizzo> DellX200x86: no
[02:54] <scizzo> DellX200x86: :P
[02:54] <DellX200x86> okay cool
[02:54] <garrut> i can't either
[02:54] <DellX200x86> maybe I should make my nick less obnoxious
[02:54] <josem> yeah DELL
[02:55] <prego> joh, are you using xcompmgr?
[02:55] <Hayden> where can i find help about ftpd?
[02:55] <warped_screen> any better?
[02:55] <scizzo> keffoo: if you enable multiverse and run apt-get update
[02:55] <freex> just want to ask is hoary a beta version?
[02:55] <keffoo> hm
[02:55] <joh> prego: no, but suddenly it worked for some reason... don't know why.
[02:55] <scizzo> keffoo: the packages won't be upgraded
[02:55] <keffoo> i got it now
[02:55] <freex> or a stable on
[02:55] <keffoo> unrar-nonfree
[02:55] <joh> prego: so.. never mind ;)
[02:55] <keffoo> hm
[02:55] <freex> one*
[02:55] <keffoo> i got 2 universe in my sources.list
[02:55] <scizzo> keffoo: apt-get install unrar-nonfree
[02:55] <keffoo> should i really have that?
[02:55] <thefish> freex, hoary=unstable
[02:55] <keffoo> scizzo: already got it ;P
[02:55] <josem> ok,ok what ftp sources do u have on your sources.list of apt?  <anybody>
[02:56] <scizzo> keffoo: ok then
[02:56] <keffoo> hey
[02:56] <keffoo> scizzo:
[02:56] <keffoo> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[02:56] <keffoo> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[02:56] <keffoo> do you got those?
[02:56] <josem> yes
[02:56] <josem> but i want some FTP
[02:56] <keffoo> they are standard right?
[02:56] <josem> do u know 'bout one
[02:56] <niran> freex: hoary is unstable until eary april
[02:56] <josem> yes
[02:56] <freex> so what would u suggest if i would like to install ubuntu should i use warty?
[02:57] <niran> freez: if you're new to linux and/or debian, yes use warty
[02:57] <niran> freex, rather
[02:57] <josem> 'cause i need to download aolserver and aptitude can't find it with those sources
[02:57] <warped_screen> does an install have to be packaged with specific display adapters in certain instances?
[02:57] <prego> freex. do you have wide band access to internet?
[02:58] <freex> sort of
[02:58] <freex> why?
[02:58] <keffoo> scizzo:
[02:58] <prego> freex, I would recommend hoary, then
[02:58] <keffoo> i would
[02:58] <josem> hey laverne!
[02:58] <keffoo> ;P
[02:58] <scizzo> josem: tried to use apt-setup?
[02:58] <josem> could u help me?
[02:58] <josem> oki
[02:58] <Laverne> Hey josem
[02:58] <josem> tanks
[02:58] <freex> but is it stable already?
[02:59] <josem> yes i did it! scizzo
[02:59] <keffoo> scizzo: i got those two "universe" in my souces.list, are they standard? or did i add them myself? ;P dun remember
[02:59] <prego> freex, nope
[02:59] <keffoo> (svensk?)
[02:59] <warped_screen> :-(
[02:59] <Burgundavia> keffoo: they are standard
[02:59] <prego> freex, but it is stable enough for normal use
[02:59] <warped_screen> I thought linux nerds were supposed to be helpful and supportive :-(
[02:59] <keffoo> ok
[02:59] <freex> ic
[02:59] <Burgundavia> warped_screen: what was your question?
[03:00] <keffoo> scizzo: so.. now i removed the universe i first added and the multiverse, and synaptic still whining about 'there are 149 new updates'
[03:00] <prego> warped_screen, not all the answers are known, perhaps
[03:00] <keffoo> hm
[03:00] <warped_screen> well
[03:00] <scizzo> keffoo: so?
[03:00] <warped_screen> Im just looking for a basica answer
[03:00] <scizzo> keffoo: then you have updates
[03:00] <scizzo> keffoo: hoary is updating all the time still
[03:00] <keffoo> ok? i dont belive that
[03:00] <niran> warped_screen: i didn't understand your question
[03:00] <warped_screen> it has to do with loading warty on an X200. the lines of the display are out of sync and shit, but I can still install it
[03:00] <keffoo> since it came when i added them?
[03:00] <niran> rephrase it
[03:00] <keffoo> so it wont 'fit' ;P
[03:00] <scizzo> keffoo: they came when you ran apt-get update
[03:01] <warped_screen> after it goes through all the unpacking shit
[03:01] <scizzo> keffoo: you updated the archives
[03:01] <warped_screen> it tries to boot to a completely blank screen
[03:01] <spacey> warped_screen, is t a laptop ?
[03:01] <warped_screen> yes
[03:01] <keffoo> and how do i 'un-update' then
[03:01] <warped_screen> a Dell Latitude X200
[03:01] <scizzo> keffoo: the updater found that you had those updates
[03:01] <spacey> did you look on linux-on-laptops.net or something like that
[03:01] <keffoo> since i dont want mixed universe, multiverse etc
[03:01] <prego> warped_screen, did you try special boot options?
[03:01] <cef> prego: so once I have a working menu.lst, I should then run 'grub-install /dev/hda' ?? (hda is the boot device)
[03:01] <warped_screen> no
[03:01] <warped_screen> how do I do that
[03:01] <scizzo> keffoo: why would you want to un-update?
[03:01] <keffoo> since i dont want those updates?
[03:01] <prego> cef, no if its already installed....
[03:02] <keffoo> i want updates from hoary main etc
[03:02] <freex> does it support reiser?
[03:02] <keffoo> my old soucres?
[03:02] <spacey> warped_screen, look up your laptop on http://www.linux-laptop.net/
[03:02] <cef> prego: well it got overwritten
[03:02] <keffoo> not any new one.. i added just because of unrar-nonfree
[03:02] <warped_screen> thank for you the useful information
[03:02] <niran> keffoo: it doesn't mix anything. packages in multiverse aren't in any other section. it's not different versions, it's packages with restrictive licenses
[03:02] <Burgundavia> keffoo: post your sources.lst to #flood
[03:02] <prego> cef, but as you have two grubs, I guess that would be OK...
[03:02] <scizzo> keffoo: then disable the multiverse and universe archives...run a apt-get update again
[03:02] <scizzo> keffoo: you will still get updates trust me
[03:02] <cef> prego: basically I want to overwrite the debian one with the ubuntu one
[03:02] <keffoo> yes, ok.. i crawl back.. and ask
[03:02] <keffoo> if i do update those thingies?
[03:02] <prego> warped_screen, there is F1, F2, F3... for information at the booting process
[03:02] <scizzo> keffoo: the fact is that you have not run apt-get update for a long time and that is why you have so many updates
[03:03] <warped_screen> wow, so if Ubuntu isn't listed here at linux-laptops...am I doomed?
[03:03] <keffoo> scizzo: i ran it 5 minutes before you told me about universe/multiverse
[03:03] <Burgundavia> warped_screen: nope
[03:03] <Burgundavia> warped_screen: is debian listed?
[03:03] <keffoo> i updated about 49 packages yesterday
[03:03] <warped_screen> yes.
[03:03] <niran> keffoo: have you been installing packages from outside of ubuntu?
[03:04] <prego> warped_screen, did you success with booting options?
[03:04] <keffoo> no
[03:04] <Burgundavia> warped_screen: ubuntu is based off of debian
[03:04] <keffoo> hm
[03:04] <warped_screen> yeah I should have figured
[03:04] <Jesterace> woo all kinds of updates this morning for hoary
[03:04] <Burgundavia> keffoo: I don't think it is a problem
[03:04] <Burgundavia> keffoo: if you post your /etc/apt/sources.lst to #flood, I will take a look at it
[03:04] <keffoo> ok
[03:05] <spacey> warped_screen, you can also boot a knoppix cd and copy over the Xfree config file
[03:05] <spacey> there is probably lot of info about troubleshooting X problems. but i'm just lucky everytime, so i don't know ;x
[03:05] <keffoo> btw, another question.. im goign to use fluxbox instead.. whats best, running GDM or XDM..?
[03:05] <keffoo> ;p
[03:06] <universal> can someone help me with amsn?
[03:06] <spacey> keffoo, doesn't really matter i think. but gdm is prettier
[03:06] <warped_screen> Spacey, what would that accomplish
[03:06] <keffoo> okok
[03:06] <keffoo> spacey: u running fluxbox?
[03:06] <spacey> keffoo, nop
[03:06] <Burgundavia> keffoo: all those point to the hoary hedgehog distro (as opposed to the earlier warty warthog one)
[03:06] <topyli> keffoo: xdm is probably lighter though if that's what you want
[03:06] <universal> cp -a icons/32x32/* /usr/local/share/pixmaps
[03:06] <universal> ln -s /usr/local/share/amsn/amsn /usr/local/bin
[03:06] <universal> ln: '/usr/local/bin/amsn': File exsist
[03:06] <universal> make: *** [install]  Failure 1
[03:07] <Burgundavia> keffoo: there should be no issues with your setup
[03:07] <scizzo> keffoo: and yes I am swedish
[03:07] <universal> what to do?
[03:07] <spacey> warped_screen, the reason you don't have graphical interface now is probably that X couldn't auto configure
[03:07] <chillywilly> la la la la la la
[03:07] <keffoo> Burgundavia: so what do you suggest do? just update those thingies
[03:07] <keffoo> scizzo: ok ;P
[03:07] <Burgundavia> keffoo: there are going to be a lot of packages updated
[03:07] <spacey> so you have to tweak the config a bit
[03:07] <warped_screen> oh okay
[03:07] <keffoo> im quite sure something will screw
[03:07] <universal> can somone help?
[03:07] <spacey> thats all
[03:07] <Burgundavia> keffoo: I would also use GDM, it is prettier, and doesn't need the rest of gnome
[03:07] <warped_screen> so if I get the appropriate XFree configuration file, everything will work?
[03:08] <Burgundavia> keffoo: apt is quite smart, far better than rpm/yum at dealing with issues
[03:08] <spacey> warped_screen, AFAIK yes
[03:08] <keffoo> but Burgundavia isnt there a way to 'empty' my update list.. and do it again?
[03:08] <spacey> but i'm no X guru
[03:08] <Burgundavia> warped_screen: if you running hoary, that would be xorg.conf
[03:08] <keffoo> jsut to see if it wants to update without all those new sources
[03:08] <warped_screen> well I have both hoary and warty
[03:08] <Burgundavia> keffoo: just reload your sources
[03:08] <keffoo> yes
[03:08] <keffoo> and its still there
[03:08] <Burgundavia> warped_screen: ?
[03:08] <keffoo> hm
[03:08] <keffoo> damnit ;P
[03:08] <niran> keffoo: if you do apt-get update without the multiverse line, you'll have the correct apt packages list
[03:09] <keffoo> ok
[03:09] <warped_screen> no, i Mean I tried both
[03:09] <Burgundavia> keffoo: then update those packages.
[03:09] <niran> that means they're just updates
[03:09] <cef> prego: ahh got grub to do what I wanted *grin*
[03:09] <Burgundavia> warped_screen: what do you run now?
[03:09] <keffoo> and Burgundavia my source.list looks quite ok? like the standard one..
[03:09] <warped_screen> well right now Im an XP Machine
[03:09] <Burgundavia> keffoo: no issues that I saw
[03:09] <keffoo> ok
[03:09] <niran> keffoo: your sources.list is fine
[03:09] <warped_screen> while my other machine is going through download stuff
[03:09] <keffoo> then ill thank you guys, really sweet support ;p
[03:09] <Hayden> can anyone help me setup ftpd to share my apache www folder?
[03:09] <scizzo> keffoo: what are you scared of?
[03:09] <keffoo> ill go update
[03:09] <keffoo> i dunno
[03:09] <niran> you could even add back the multiverse line if you want
[03:09] <warped_screen> Im retrying warty
[03:09] <keffoo> when i ran debian everything fuxed up ;
[03:09] <keffoo> p
[03:10] <keffoo> but it was leik 2-3 years ago
[03:10] <cef> prego: just added options to grub on ubuntu to tell it to use the debian kernel at /vmlinuz with the initrd at /initrd.img (and the right partition)
[03:10] <keffoo> its deep down in my undermind;p
[03:10] <keffoo> brb
[03:10] <keffoo> btw
[03:10] <keffoo> apt-get dist-upgrade = apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade
[03:10] <keffoo> ?
[03:10] <scizzo> keffoo: you are so scared that you want to tell your system that..."No I don't want new releases or updates of any kind!"
[03:10] <prego> cef, that will work, but if you upgrade kernel at debian you will have to redo all the grub reinstall and update menu.lst at ubuntu....
[03:10] <cef> prego: then forced grub from ubuntu to reinstall itself.. next I'll remove grub from debian so it can't overwrite the boot record
[03:11] <Burgundavia> dist-upgrade will install new packages if needed, upgrade won't
[03:11] <prego> cef, Oh, oK
[03:11] <scizzo> keffoo: hoary is still updated..that is why new packages are added all the time
[03:11] <keffoo> then ill do dist-upgrade
[03:11] <keffoo> ok
[03:11] <keffoo> i guess i've been wrong then
[03:11] <keffoo> ubuntu is a really sweet dist imo
[03:11] <keffoo> ;P
[03:11] <prego> cef, however don't forget to update ubuntu's menu.lst every time you upgrade debian kernel
[03:11] <cef> prego: /vmlinuz is a symlink, and debian always has that pointing at the correct kernel
[03:12] <Nomikos> can someone give me a few pointers to installing apache 1.3? "apt-get install apache-common", does that do it?
[03:12] <keffoo> btw
[03:12] <keffoo> its updating alot of KDEstuffs
[03:12] <Hayden> Nomikos, www.ubuntuguide.org
[03:12] <keffoo> and i dont use KDE really.. but its quite necessary right?
[03:12] <keffoo> anyway..?
[03:12] <cef> prego: and if that kernel is fubar for whatever reason, I'll just use Ubuntu to mount the partition for a rescue *grin*
[03:12] <Burgundavia> keffoo: did you install KDE?
[03:12] <Nomikos> Hayden: cheers
[03:12] <scizzo> keffoo: then you have those packages installed proberly
[03:12] <prego> cef, I did not know that .
[03:12] <keffoo> Burgundavia: think it just came along ;P
[03:13] <Burgundavia> keffoo: if you installed a program that uses qt or the kde libs, they got installed
[03:13] <keffoo> ok
[03:13] <Burgundavia> keffoo: such as k3b
[03:13] <keffoo> oh
[03:13] <keffoo> yes
[03:13] <keffoo> now when you say so
[03:13] <keffoo> brb
[03:13] <cef> prego: same on Ubuntu btw, but I'd only do it for one OS at a time
[03:13] <Nomikos> Hayden: there is no earlier Apache for Ubuntu?
[03:13] <prego> cef, ;-)
[03:13] <keffoo> btw, if im moving over to fluxbox.. what should there be to think about?
[03:14] <keffoo> any necessary .conf-files to edit or etc..
[03:14] <Hayden> Nomikos, i'm not sure
[03:14] <cef> prego: and if I get really desperate, and I can't find a livecd, install cd (for ubuntu or debian).. I'll use the ext3 mount tool I've got for XP (also on the machine)
[03:14] <Nomikos> Hayden: ok, I'll go with Apache2 then :-) thanks
[03:15] <padlefot> hi guys
[03:16] <Echylo> lel
[03:16] <cef> Nomikos: something to think about with Apache2 if you're used to Apache 1.x - the apache2-mpm-prefork package works the same way as Apache 1.x did.. and avoids issues with non-thread safe code
[03:16] <Martijn> :D
[03:17] <Nomikos> cef: hmkay, good to know. I'll dig into the guide (<- new to me) first :-)
[03:17] <cef> Nomikos: and really, the performance benefit of threads hasn't been well proven
[03:18] <cef> Nomikos: oh, there are also some neat little commands that start with a2 that you should check out..
[03:18] <Nomikos> cef: ah?
[03:19] <Martijn> hi all; new here, small question: when I install ubuntu, can I choose whether or not I want to install Grub into the MBR?
[03:19] <petemc> Martijn: yes
[03:19] <Martijn> ok thnx :)
[03:19] <Echylo> petemc you'll need to show me that ;)
[03:19] <Echylo> that's an expert install I guess
[03:20] <shadeofgrey> how do i checxk to see if the 2.0 beta for openoffice is avaiolable threough the apt-get system?
[03:20] <Echylo> or does it asks for it?
[03:20] <petemc> it asks
[03:20] <Echylo> can't remember
[03:20] <Martijn> \o/
[03:20] <Echylo> hmm
[03:20] <Martijn> great
[03:20] <Echylo> ok
[03:20] <Burgundavia> shadeofgrey: it is
[03:20] <Nermal> shadeofgrey, apt-get install openoffice.org2
[03:20] <Burgundavia> shadeofgrey: enable universe and search for it
[03:20] <SlackShrike> this site ,http://www.ubuntuguide.org , is wiki ?
[03:20] <prego> shadeofgrey, using synaptic, search -> openoffice
[03:20] <Echylo> onofficial guid SlackShrike
[03:20] <KsE> do yall ever sleep
[03:20] <cef> Nomikos: things like a2dismod, a2enmod, a2dissite, and a2ensite
[03:21] <KsE> its 8 20 in the mornin
[03:21] <SlackShrike> but is WIKI ?
[03:21] <Echylo> don't think so why?
[03:21] <Nomikos> cef: hmm.. not familiar to me but I'll look them up
[03:21] <cef> Nomikos: a2enmod enables a particular module (eg: say php4).. none of this editing a config file
[03:21] <cef> and a2dismod turns it off'
[03:22] <Echylo> SlackShrike why do you care about it being WIKI ?
[03:22] <cef> Nomikos: and a2ensite enables a site config (you can have multiple configs and either run them concurrently or one at a time)
[03:22] <cef> Nomikos: and a2dissite turns off the site config
[03:22] <Pen`LupeN-> can I see some screenshots of ubuntulinux somewhere ?
[03:22] <Nomikos> I gotta lot of reading to do :)
[03:22] <chillywilly> does Ubuntu have an amd64 port?
[03:22] <Burgundavia> Pen`LupeN-: shots.osdir.com
[03:22] <membreya> chillywilly: yes, running it right now
[03:22] <Burgundavia> chillywilly: yes
[03:22] <Echylo> w8 Pen`LupeN- I'll show you mine :p
[03:22] <prego> Pen`LupeN-, better you can try it yourself with the Live CD
[03:22] <cef> Nomikos: makes handling big/multi-host sites really easy
[03:23] <Echylo> ow
[03:23] <Echylo> lost it
[03:23] <chillywilly> anyone run ubuntun on a production server (just the base install)?
[03:23] <chillywilly> ubuntu too :)
[03:23] <Pen`LupeN-> prego I've ordered 1cd now ;)
[03:23] <Rolle> has anyone tried the ppc live of hoary??
[03:23] <KsE> i have a question for anyone who can answer, how do you make it where num lock automatically turns on when you log into gnome?
[03:23] <membreya> Burgundavia: those are warty screen shots :(
[03:23] <Teren> Hello
[03:23] <membreya> kse: sudo apt-get install numlockx
[03:24] <Nomikos> gah. "apt-get install apache2" wants me to insert CD, not a good one for remote installs then
[03:24] <cef> chillywilly: was going to except that spamassassin, clamav, and amavisd-new aren't supported by the ubuntu security updates (afaik)
[03:24] <KsE> i did that and it said there is no package by the name of numlockx
[03:24] <Teren> i have a question...
[03:24] <membreya> KsE: do you have all your repo's active?
[03:24] <cef> Nomikos: just remove the cdrom line from '/etc/apt/sources.list' and then run 'apt-get update'
[03:24] <Echylo> Pen`LupeN  http://www.tweaking-gamers.com/forum/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=414
[03:24] <Lumien> is there a list of all avalible packages with apt-get somewhere at ubuntus homepage?
[03:24] <Echylo> that's mine
[03:24] <KsE> doubt it because i just got ubuntu yesterday
[03:25] <Echylo> Kse
[03:25] <Burgundavia> membreya: look in the development version archive
[03:25] <Teren> I have hoary, I needed to use makedev, and after using it, eth0 can't get it's IP adress from DHCP
[03:25] <membreya> Echylo: transparent...how passe :P
[03:25] <Echylo> you need to activate the universe packages
[03:25] <cef> Nomikos: it leaves that there as most people are desktop users, and it saves downloading files if they have them on the cd already
[03:25] <Teren> what can be the problem?
[03:25] <Nomikos> cef: ah right, makes sense
[03:26] <Echylo> kse, check http://www.ubuntuguide.org there's a little how to activate universe sources, to install numlockx etc
[03:26] <KsE> okay thanks
[03:26] <Echylo> np
[03:26] <cef> damn it! I lost 10fps in that kernel upgrade!
[03:26] <membreya> Echylo: damn you people that run 1280x1024
[03:26] <chillywilly> :)
[03:27] <Teren> any ideas?
[03:27] <Burgundavia> membreya: heh
[03:27] <Echylo> I have the most shitty monitor in the world
[03:27] <Echylo> but It handles it
[03:27] <chillywilly> any caveats with running amd64?
[03:27] <cef> brings me down to 1873 fps.. doh! *grin*
[03:27] <chillywilly> looking at buying a beefy dual proc AMD 64 3U box
[03:27] <bwlang> anybody know the ubuntu way to install more perl packages.. eg palm::pdb
[03:27] <membreya> my monitor CAN do 1280x1024....but it's the max ..and my system will only allow me to do 1152x864
[03:28] <Burgundavia> cef: oh you poor man
[03:28] <WarDead> hmmm does anyone know how i can install sound because alsaconf doesn't seem to work
[03:28] <cef> chillywilly: there are a lot of perl libs you can 'apt-get'..
[03:28] <membreya> chillywilly: the only problem with amd64 is packages tend to be a lil delayed..or you have to compile them yourself
[03:28] <Teren> also, what's the difference between /.dev and /dev?
[03:28] <membreya> cef: you so kick my arse (even with my amd64 3200) :|
[03:29] <prego> membreya, my monitor can do 1600x1280, but I prefer 1400x1050 so I get higher refresh rate
[03:29] <membreya> i hate you too prego >:(
[03:29] <Echylo> :P
[03:29] <EsK> okay Echylo, it says replace the text from /etc/apt/sources.list, but it says warty, do i just change the hoary
[03:29] <prego> membreya, I know, but my machine is quite slow....
[03:29] <membreya> i blame agpgart for my graphics performance issue
[03:29] <robodex> who wants to hear a funny yet highly sad story?
[03:29] <Echylo> what esk?
[03:30] <Echylo> no no
[03:30] <Echylo> you remove the #
[03:30] <Echylo> before universe
[03:30] <membreya> amd64 3200, geforce 4000 ...and I get 400fps in glxgears!
[03:30] <R0bNyc> Why now after I rebooted either to 2.6.10-4-386 or 2.6.10-5-386 gdm doesnt show up,
[03:30] <R0bNyc> it starts in the init 3 (Console)
[03:30] <EsK> okay
[03:30] <cef> membreya: P4 HT @ 3.2 Ghz @ GeForce FX 2 Go 5200.. Laptop
[03:30] <membreya> ht ....blah :P
[03:30] <cef> not using an smp kernel tho
[03:30] <membreya> could be worse, you could have had a P4E
[03:30] <membreya> why not cef ?
[03:31] <cef> membreya: yeah but I didn't pay a cent for this machine *grin*
[03:31] <KsE> accidently had two open
[03:31] <cef> membreya: cos I've not tried it yet
[03:31] <membreya> did I mention I hate you cef ?
[03:31] <Echylo> yea, count me in
[03:31] <membreya> mind you, I only paid $1k AUD for my box :|
[03:31] <membreya> need to get a new hdd, 120gb SATA is running out
[03:31] <Echylo> I did an offer for a pc
[03:31] <Echylo> 5?
[03:31] <prego> membreya, using latest nvidia drivers?
[03:31] <Echylo> lemme check if I am still highest
[03:31] <membreya> wanna get a 200gb..but I'm trying to decide between that and another 512mb ram
[03:31] <robodex> I'm a dirty pirate, so I have a modded ps1... But most ps1 images are in weird formats that cdrecord/cdrdao/k3b don't support and more often than not the images get corrupted when converted to iso. So I switched back to windows cos I couldn't get nero to run under wine
[03:31] <membreya> prego: yup
[03:32] <cef> membreya: I did however take about a month out of my life to move my work.. this is their way of paying me back
[03:32] <robodex> well guess what came out two days after I switched back to windows >_<
[03:32] <membreya> I have to use the "latest" because I'm running 2.6.11-1
[03:32] <prego> membreya, I also hate you
[03:32] <prego> he he
[03:32] <KsE> okay i fixed it
[03:32] <KsE> all done
[03:32] <membreya> whuh? in the grand scheme, my pc sucks
[03:33] <Echylo> mine too
[03:33] <Echylo> p2
[03:33] <prego> membreya, you are in the leading edge...
[03:33] <nvashi2> hey all I have an xwave300 pci sound card and for soom reason my sound does not work any clues why?
[03:33] <membreya> bwuahahaha Echylo, I gave away my p4 1.8
[03:33] <cef> well, time to get some sleep
[03:33] <Echylo> :)
[03:33] <membreya> nite cef :)
[03:33] <Echylo> gnight
[03:33] <membreya> oh, thomastown cef :)
[03:33] <Echylo> damn I need a new one
[03:33] <membreya> not too far from me :D
[03:33] <cef> membreya: Aplhington actually
[03:34] <nvashi2> xwave300 -> xwave3000
[03:34] <membreya> same diff :P
[03:34] <cef> membreya: Alphington even
[03:34] <membreya> sunshine for me :)
[03:34] <cef> membreya: ahh cool.. I'd consider hiding my lappy, but it's so big it's hard not to notice
[03:35] <membreya> come configure my linux!
[03:35] <membreya> :P
[03:35] <robodex> btw is it just me or is ubuntulinux.com down?
[03:35] <cef> the screen is almost 40cm across and 25cm high..
[03:35] <membreya> i noticed from your questions cef :)
[03:36] <membreya> works fine for me robodex, but I also use squid :P
[03:36] <cef> ok.. I really need sleep
[03:36] <membreya> ciao cef :)
[03:36] <robodex> ok now it's mysteriously up
[03:36] <robodex> aaaaaaa it's making me go crazy!!!!!!!
[03:36] <robodex> heh I feel so dirty, I'm in here yet I'm running windows xp :(
[03:37] <padlefot> go clean yourself
[03:37] <padlefot> :p
[03:37] <robodex> heh I'm considering going back to ubuntu soon... I haven't installed enough on this windoze machine to have lost alot
[03:37] <robodex> but it took me about 3 or 4 days to config my ubuntu setup the way I wanted last time :p
[03:38] <robodex> plus I'm not sure if I wanna run hoary or not... is the PR stable?
[03:38] <prego> anyone here playing with xen?
[03:38] <robodex> I also recently got a new mouse, but I'm not sure if I can configure it the same way I can in windows
[03:39] <BendertheRobot> i have a problem none of the music players work
[03:39] <membreya> robodex: I spent a month configuring my ubuntu...but then I crashed the system with a convertfs, thankfully I could recover the /etc directory :) everything back up and running in a day
[03:39] <membreya> robodex: what type of mouse?
[03:39] <robodex> it's a microsoft 5-button mouse, and I have a program that lets me configure the two extra buttons for different programs
[03:39] <membreya> robodex: you can do the same in ubuntu
[03:39] <membreya> my side buttons do forward and back
[03:39] <robodex> so like I have them configured to do next/prev in itunes, back/forward in ff and next window in mirc
[03:39] <Burgundavia> BendertheRobot: run gstreamer-properties and select esd if it is not already
[03:40] <Burgundavia> BendertheRobot: beyond that, look at dmesg
[03:40] <BendertheRobot> thanx
[03:40] <membreya> robodex: http://www.groundhog1.com/mouse/MSExplorer.html
[03:40] <robodex> heh I started backing up my hd with g4l but I got bored so I didn't finish :S all I have is my home directory backed up
[03:40] <membreya> I'm going to do weekly backups to DVD from now on robodex :)
[03:41] <robodex> heh all I have is a CD burner and a DVD-ROM that may or may not work with DVDs :X
[03:41] <membreya> did you get the URL for the msexplorer robodex ?
[03:42] <robodex> yeah
[03:42] <robodex> I can use that for individual programs, though?
[03:42] <membreya> yes you can :)
[03:42] <omniwork> hi folks. anyone here have any luck getting the airport extreme (broadcom) wireless working for ubuntu-ppc ?
[03:43] <robodex> cool. if I switch back to ubuntu today I'll most likely ask you again for the url :p
[03:43] <Nermal> nope.. not supported :|
[03:43] <omniwork> or should i just give up and send a complaint email to broadcom
[03:43] <robodex> is it possible to install warty and then do a dist-upgrade to installing the hoary pr?
[03:43] <Burgundavia> robodex: yes
[03:43] <Nermal> omniwork, the latter :|
[03:43] <Burgundavia> robodex: I have upgraded my box from a warty pr box
[03:43] <omniwork> Nermal: god i hate broadcom
[03:44] <KsE> which one do you think is better, mplayer or totem(with xine)
[03:44] <robodex> awesome
[03:44] <Nermal> omniwork, I think a gnome guy ended up finding a card that worked
[03:44] <Nermal> or a usb thingy
[03:44] <Burgundavia> KsE: totem
[03:44] <omniwork> yeah.. i know i can use kludgy external stuff
[03:44] <KsE> okay
[03:44] <wbeck85> i think im for totem
[03:44] <omniwork> but i already  have an internal wireless
[03:44] <teren> hello
[03:44] <wbeck85> hi
[03:44] <Burgundavia> teren: hey
[03:44] <robodex> one more question... does doing a dist-upgrade upgrade just the software you have installed, or does it install new software as well? I wanna do a REALLY minimal install (only a 4gb hd)
[03:45] <KsE> i worked with mplayer on fedora, and i didnt like it one bit, but i had to use it because i couldnt compile xine
[03:45] <wbeck85> has anyone tried kubuntu?
[03:45] <Nermal> omniwork, aye.. workaround :|
[03:45] <teren> i have some problems with usplash, I know it's still in an early stage, but the problem is kinda strange
[03:45] <omniwork> and i just want to fool around. i'm a long time linux user, but never tried it on any of my macs
[03:45] <Burgundavia> robodex: it installs new software
[03:46] <teren> there is no /dev/fb0 at all
[03:46] <robodex> hmm. then I'll most likey just do a full install, do a dist-upgrade, and then remove all the software I don't need
[03:46] <Burgundavia> robodex: upgrade just upgrades with installing new software
[03:46] <teren> but lsmod has vesafb in it
[03:46] <Burgundavia> robodex: make certain you get new locales and xorg
[03:46] <kanga> hello all
[03:46] <robodex> yeah, I know... xorg is actually the reason I want hoary
[03:46] <vassie> hello kanga
[03:46] <kanga> hi vassie me new to linux
[03:47] <membreya> robodex: if you want to see the config file for the mouse and how you alter it on a per program basis...go to this link http://members.optusnet.com.au/~membreya/imwheelrc
[03:47] <vassie> :) me too
[03:47] <kanga> can i speak to you in private vassie?
[03:47] <robodex> hmmm that's cool
[03:47] <wbeck85> how long does getting kubuntu-desktop take via synaptic i have everything dled alraedy and it is "installing software"
[03:47] <wbeck85> jeez, this is taking forever.
[03:48] <vassie> kanga: of course
[03:49] <keffoo> anyone using ubuntu hoary and fluxbopx?
[03:49] <wbeck85> never used fluxbox
[03:49] <robodex> ah, I have another question, one that I shoulda asked when I was still using ubuntu... How much of GNOME can I remove in ubuntu while still keeping the system stable? I used xfce exclusively, but I didn't know what I should/shouldn't remove from GNOME. I still wanted to use GNOME-based apps
[03:49] <wbeck85> is it nice?
[03:50] <kanga> vassie we'll talk here
[03:50] <kotatsu> robodex: you can remove all of gnome if you want
[03:50] <keffoo> wbeck85: fluxbox should pwn
[03:50] <keffoo> ;P
[03:50] <vassie> can you try and dcc chat me?
[03:50] <kanga> ivge tried cant connect
[03:50] <wbeck85> isnt fluxbox really minimal?
[03:50] <vassie> are you on jabber?
[03:50] <kotatsu> robodex: the ubuntu default install is just geared towards making GNOME usable out of the box, but there's no reason to keep if you don't need it... although I would recommend just doing a minimal install and adding xfce if you don't want anything associated with GNOME
[03:51] <Burgundavia> robodex: make certain you keep gdm
[03:51] <kanga> no at work here only irc
[03:51] <Burgundavia> robodex: and gvm if you want hotplugging
[03:51] <robodex> well there were some GNOME apps I wanted, but I didn't use the wm at all
[03:51] <kotatsu> robodex: you could always just load xfce and use that, no reason to remove GNOME
[03:51] <kotatsu> unless you're hurting for disk space
[03:52] <robodex> I'm still debating on whether I want to do a minimal install and install xfce via apt or compile it using the installer
[03:52] <vassie> kanga: what's up?
[03:52] <robodex> I'm hurting for disk space... only a 4gb drive :S
[03:52] <kotatsu> ah, k =)
[03:52] <kotatsu> yeah rip out GNOME then hehe
[03:52] <keffoo> anyone got a clue why i suddenly CANT select standard app for example a .mpg file?
[03:52] <membreya> robodex: so spend $50 and get a bigger drive :)
[03:52] <teren> why do i have /.dev and /dev?
[03:53] <Burgundavia> teren: .dev is if hotplug screws up I believe
[03:53] <robodex> I actually have a 120gb drive, but due to a REALLY weird error in the partition table, I can't repartition it without losing all my data
[03:53] <teren> k, but why don't i have a /dev/fb0 but i do have a /.dev/fb0
[03:53] <prego> robodex, buy a dvd burner...
[03:54] <robodex> meh, too much work, I might as well buy a new 80gb drive for $70 CAD :p
[03:54] <kotatsu> robodex: the drive will fail eventually and you'll lose everything anyway ;)
[03:54] <kanga> sorry vassie
[03:54] <prego> robodex, sure
[03:54] <robodex> hehe true enough, I'm just delaying the inevitable
[03:54] <kotatsu> better get that data off the disk now while you still can
[03:54] <kotatsu> if you have no backup hehe
[03:54] <kanga> ive d/l warty and i want to try it from the cd not the hard drive
[03:55] <kotatsu> kanga: you need the Live CD for that
[03:55] <kanga> i need some guidance know where i can get it?
[03:55] <kotatsu> kanga: then just put it into the drive and reboot
[03:55] <robodex> heh the sad thing is only about 5 or 6 gb of my stuff is actually important, the rest is things I've downloaded :p
[03:55] <prego> robodex, or don't, if you really wan to feel sad and fool
[03:55] <kanga> u need to change bios settings
[03:55] <kotatsu> kanga: http://releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/hoary-preview-live-i386.iso.torrent
[03:56] <vassie> make your cd/dvd drive the first bootable device
[03:56] <odie5533> Is NTFS really read only mountable?
[03:56] <kotatsu> yes, change the bios to look at your optical drive as the boot device
[03:56] <kanga> k ill cut and paSTE THANKS OK
[03:56] <kotatsu> odie5533: yes
[03:56] <odie5533> Is there a way around it?
[03:56] <keffoo> ok
[03:56] <keffoo> gnome can go tell hell
[03:56] <keffoo> suckies shit ever
[03:56] <kotatsu> I think you can still enable write support in the kernel, although it's a good way to destroy your filesystem
[03:56] <prego> odie5533, having an spare fat32 partition
[03:57] <membreya> odie5533: yes it is ..you can get it so it's write as well
[03:57] <robodex> although the 10gb stepmania directory is pretty important :X
[03:57] <kotatsu> not sure, they changed the NTFS driver a while back
[03:57] <membreya> but it's experimental
[03:57] <membreya> you CAN compile the kernel with write support
[03:57] <kotatsu> you'll have to compile your own kernel to get it to write
[03:57] <kanga> KOTATSU IS THAT THE CD OR IS THAT LITERATURE FOR WArt
[03:57] <membreya> oh there is a 3rd party software out there
[03:57] <kotatsu> kanga: that's the CD itself
[03:57] <odie5533> membreya, such as what
[03:57] <Burgundavia> kanga: that is the cd
[03:57] <kotatsu> kanga: you need bit torrent to download it
[03:58] <keffoo> anyone know how i sovle this bloody gnomebug? .. i cant change what app a file should use ?
[03:58] <keffoo> this is insane
[03:58] <keffoo> !
[03:58] <kanga> IVE GOT THAT ALREADY I JUST (sorry)need some onstalation instructions
[03:58] <Xappe> since they have to do "backwards engineering" of the ntfs driver, the write support is quite scary
[03:58] <membreya> odie5533: http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/
[03:58] <Burgundavia> keffoo: what bug?
[03:58] <keffoo> Burgundavia: i dunno, when i for example change what mediaplayer to play .mpg files.. i just cant box that radiobutton after i added VLC to the list
[03:58] <keffoo> that must be a bug right?
[03:59] <kanga> vassie/kotatsu?
[03:59] <bwlang> keffoo: just because you don't know how to do it does not make it a bug... to change file associations you can right click on a file and choose properties... then add your prefered program to the opens with tab.
[03:59] <keffoo> bwlang: oh, you gotta be a smart one?
[03:59] <keffoo> i just told..
[03:59] <kanga> flaming?
[04:00] <kanga> vassie u there?
[04:00] <Burgundavia> Burgundavia: so you can add the app but not make it default?
[04:00] <kotatsu> kanga: burn the .iso file to a CD
[04:00] <keffoo> exactly
[04:00] <kotatsu> kanga: then put the CD in your drive and reboot
[04:00] <robodex> gotta jet, bye
[04:00] <keffoo> i can add it to the list with 'Add'
[04:00] <keffoo> but i cant 'select it'
[04:00] <keffoo> if you get what i mean?
[04:00] <Burgundavia> hmm
[04:00] <keffoo> i can mark the program, but the radiobutton wont be boxed
[04:01] <kanga> have done that ok so there is no literature out there?
[04:01] <onkarshinde> Just tried hoary live inside Qemu emulator. GNOME 2.10 looks good.
[04:01] <kotatsu> well that sucks
[04:01] <kotatsu> the update manager won't do a dist-upgrade
[04:01] <kotatsu> that should be a preference setting
[04:01] <kanga> so cant launch linux from within windows?
[04:01] <Burgundavia> kotatsu: the update manager might have that functionality
[04:02] <Burgundavia> kotatsu: later
[04:02] <keffoo> Burgundavia: any idea?
[04:02] <Burgundavia> kotatsu: remember that it is for aunt tilly
[04:02] <bwlang> keffoo: i don't type that fast... if you made your first post a real description my answer would have been different...
[04:02] <Burgundavia> keffoo: sorry, no
[04:02] <odie5533> What is the best way to install an RPM on ubuntu?
[04:02] <Burgundavia> odie5533: alient
[04:02] <niran> kotatsu: i think the "smart upgrade" is a dist-upgrade
[04:02] <Burgundavia> odie5533: make that alien
[04:02] <kotatsu> Burgundavia: aunt tilly would probably be more confused about a dialog telling her packages can't be installed than just pulling down everything that's needed ;) (omg! my computer is broken!)
[04:02] <Burgundavia> kotatsu: that won't happen with a stable release
[04:02] <odie5533> what about installing from source?
[04:02] <kotatsu> true
[04:03] <Burgundavia> odie5533: alien converts rpm to deb
[04:03] <odie5533> how do I use the .deb file?
[04:03] <KsE> how do i get support for wmv9 files
[04:03] <kotatsu> Burgundavia: actually it would, wouldn't it? kernel upgrades pull down module packages
[04:03] <KsE> on totem
[04:03] <Burgundavia> KsE: w32codecs
[04:03] <kotatsu> niran: this is the update manager, not synaptic
[04:03] <Burgundavia> odie5533: dpkg -i blah.deb
[04:03] <kanga> kotatsu will i still be aqble to access the net and email etc?
[04:03] <kotatsu> kanga: yes
[04:03] <odie5533> and... what about source?
[04:03] <bwlang> odie5533: don't be too tempted... you need to be careful with alien packages.  They can cause troubles...
[04:03] <kanga> is it stable?
[04:03] <teren> why is there a /.dev/fb0 but no /dev/fb0?
[04:04] <Burgundavia> odie5533: if you have source then you can compile it normally
[04:04] <teren> symlinking them doesnt work
[04:04] <KsE> well i know about the win32 codecs but i dont know how to install em
[04:04] <odie5533> Can you uninstall from source though?
[04:04] <kotatsu> kanga: it's a preview release... there might still be some bugs
[04:04] <Burgundavia> KsE: www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[04:04] <bwlang> odie5533: you could compile and do make;make install... i don't recommend this... By going around the package manager your reduce it's value to almost nothing.
[04:04] <Burgundavia> odie5533: some have a uninstall script
[04:05] <Burgundavia> odie5533: what are you trying to install?
[04:05] <odie5533> TeamSpeak
[04:05] <kotatsu> KsE: /usr/local/lib/codecs
[04:05] <odie5533> and various other things that have no rpm's
[04:05] <bwlang> odie5533: why not just make a deb? - you can use alien to give you a template from an rpm... then you can fix any quirks and have a nice package.
[04:05] <odie5533> How do I do that though
[04:06] <bwlang> odie5533: man alien... you can tell it to extract the rpm stuff leave all the intermediate stuff for you to chnage
[04:07] <kotatsu> odie5533: yes, you can "uninstall" from source... just delete the directory =)
[04:07] <bwlang> odie5533: if there is no rpm you'll need to start from scratch.. see the debian docs on packaging
[04:08] <hahu> How can i automatically start system services at boot time? (in debian there is rcconf, right?)
[04:08] <bwlang> hahu: update-rc.d
[04:08] <hahu> bwlang, thx!
[04:09] <aims> can someone tel me if there is any point in me pulling my hair out cos i cant get my IT8212 pci raid card to work
[04:10] <kotatsu> I don't have a kernel source directory available atm; do the prepackaged linux kernels or headers come with the kernel docs?
[04:11] <aims> erm... how do i find that out?
[04:11] <bwlang> aims: i don't know that card... but i think anything but a 3ware or megaraid card is not worth the effort.  Software raid is better than a hardware raid card that you can't even monitor...
[04:12] <aims> ok thx :)
[04:14] <bwlang> aims: 3ware is the best option... you can use smartd to monitor all the individual devices using -d 3ware,0-n
[04:14] <odie5533> Can I do a search in the terminal?
[04:14] <maswan> 3ware makes for a resonably many-ports sata jbod controller too
[04:15] <maswan> for running sw raid on top of
[04:15] <thoreauputic> odie5533: sudo updatedb && locate ,searchterm>
[04:15] <thoreauputic> odie5533: or use the find command
[04:16] <odie5533> can i find in subfolder?
[04:16] <thoreauputic> of course
[04:16] <kotatsu> odie5533: $ find (folder) -(switches)
[04:17] <kotatsu> odie5533: you can also use the GNOME search tool =)
[04:17] <odie5533> not when all I have is a prompt ;D
[04:17] <kotatsu> this is true
[04:17] <thoreauputic> odie5533: "locate" is the easiest way
[04:19] <thoreauputic> locate generalterm | grep -i specificterm
[04:20] <ali> When the offical version of hoary will be released (April) how will users running warty upgrade to hoary. Will hoary come in to the repositories of users running warty as a upgrade ?
[04:21] <j^> does someone know how i can get  instead of * for
[04:21] <j^> 	entry = gtk_entry_new();
[04:21] <j^> 	gtk_entry_set_visibility(GTK_ENTRY(entry), FALSE);
[04:22] <j^> gksu/gksudo do that somehow
[04:22] <j^> but i am not able to fine that in the source
[04:23] <EsK> alright, im at the spot where u cp all the codecs to /usr/local/lib/codecs, and i did the command     cp -R all-20050216/* /usr/local/lib/codecs    and it gives me all these "permission denied" messages so i was just wondering, will i have to chmod all of the files?
[04:24] <ali> sudo cp -R all-20050216/* /usr/local/lib/codecs
[04:24] <EsK> okay thank you
[04:26] <EsK> ohhh, thats what i forgot
[04:26] <EsK> sudo
[04:28] <prego> ali, I guess users will have to change their "Warty" entries to "Hoary" at apt config. just as now in order to upgrade to hoary.
[04:28] <markkkkkkkk> i  cannot boot from the cd because i'm using a pentium one....a linux boot diskette does not work....how can i boot from a doc diskette
[04:28] <markkkkkkkk> DOS
[04:28] <TetuJe-> how i can install xfce4?... I do " apt-get install xfce4 and it is installed but i look gnome no xfce
[04:29] <scizzo> TetuJe-: tried to change the session in gdm when logging in?
[04:29] <YuriMaru> is there a channel for malaysian ubuntuers?
[04:31] <ali> prego, so you mean ihave to change the sourcelist to hoary an den apt-get upgrade ?
[04:32] <TetuJe-> scizzo, how? iam noob... soz..
[04:32] <scizzo> TetuJe-: in GDM you can select what session you want to use...the loginscreen that is
[04:33] <TetuJe-> mmm
[04:33] <scizzo> TetuJe-: if you click on the session link on that window then maybe xfce4 is there?
[04:33] <TetuJe-> i reboot
[04:33] <scizzo> TetuJe-: reboot?
[04:33] <scizzo> TetuJe-: don't need to reboot
[04:33] <scizzo> just logout and look
[04:33] <TetuJe-> ah
[04:33] <TetuJe-> ok
[04:33] <TetuJe-> y go to try w8 plz (sorry for bad english)
[04:33] <scizzo> TetuJe-: the only time you need to reboot is when installing a new kernel or something simular
[04:33] <markkkkkkkk> how can i install from a dos disk?
[04:34] <TetuJe-> scizzo, IAM noob sozzz i dunno this..
[04:34] <TetuJe-> wait plz
[04:34] <aleitner> why are there no restricted modules for kerenl 2.6.11 in the rep?
[04:36] <TetuJe-> scizzo, I LOVE YOU
[04:36] <TetuJe-> scizzo, THX THX THX U ARE THE MASTER
[04:36] <scizzo> TetuJe-: haha
[04:36] <scizzo> TetuJe-: ummm...no...and...ummm...stop using the caps lock... :P
[04:36] <motuline> ati drivers suck on ubuntu..
[04:37] <motuline> I get ~1800FPS per 5second
[04:37] <motuline> in SuSe I got ~3000fps per 5 seconds
[04:37] <ali> how can i upgrade from warty to hoary the "safe" way
[04:37] <Nermal> motuline, careful
[04:37] <motuline> ?
[04:38] <Nermal> you're making a blanket statement with insufficient evidence to back up your claims
[04:38] <dr_willis> Hmm.. Useing the PPC ubuntu on my imac.. looking for a "yahoo messenger" chat client for the wife.. the officil yahoo site dosent have one for linux ppc. :(
[04:38] <Nermal> and therefor jumping to incorrect conclusions
[04:38] <scizzo> dr_willis: tried using gaim?
[04:38] <membreya> dr_willis: gaim
[04:38] <wbeck85> what is the difference between kdm and gdm (display managers) when installing kubuntu-desktop, i am given an option between the two. Which one would provide the best freedom regarding using both gnome and kde?
[04:38] <membreya> :P
[04:39] <membreya> one or the other wbeck85 :)
[04:39] <wbeck85> no difference?
[04:39] <dr_willis> scizzo,  ok.. gaim can do it.. ;P but i bet the silly wife will want tog et to the "group" chat rooms.. which i bet needs the windows-only version. *sigh*
[04:39] <membreya> one is gnome, the other is kde
[04:39] <Nermal> wbeck85, one is for kde and one for gnome
[04:39] <dr_willis> lets check out Gaim now.
[04:39] <Nermal> ie: one is qt the other gtk
[04:39] <bwlang> ali: there is no "safe" way (at least not that i'm aware of)   you may need to manually tweak what's installed... but replacing warty with hoary in /etc/apt/sources.list and running apt-get update;apt-get dist-upgrade should get you moving in the right direction
[04:39] <wbeck85> well, yeah.
[04:39] <membreya> dr_willis: tell the wife to stop chatting up guys on the net then :P
[04:40] <wbeck85> does it make any difference compatibility or performance wise?
[04:40] <bwlang> wbeck85: it's a preference issue... either will give you access to either desktop manager
[04:40] <zapallito> alguien habla espaniol?
[04:40] <dr_willis> membreya,  she pointed her web cam at an XXX dvd that was playing on the tv the other day.. to show off to the guys. :P
[04:40] <membreya> lol! :P
[04:40] <dr_willis> membreya,  she thouhg it was Funny... which it was.
[04:40] <dr_willis> :P
[04:40] <wbeck85> thank you
[04:40] <zapallito> alguien habla espaniol?
[04:41] <wbeck85> which is gtk?
[04:41] <EsK> alright, this has notihng to do with ubuntu, but how to connect to another server while still on this one
[04:41] <wbeck85> what client are you using Esk?
[04:41] <zapallito> i need help .. please
[04:41] <EsK> x-chat
[04:41] <motuline> Is there someway to speedup my fglrx driver.. because it worked much better in SuSe :o
[04:41] <EsK> 2.4.1
[04:42] <dr_willis> open a new server tab.
[04:42] <Levander> zapallito: just try asking your question, someone knows, they'll prolly say
[04:42] <EsK> nvm
[04:42] <EsK> yeah
[04:42] <ali> EsK, ctr t
[04:43] <zapallito> ok Levander i need add a new "normal user" to system
[04:43] <EsK> yeah i just figured that out
[04:43] <wbeck85> Esk, go to the X-chat tap > server list, hilight your server and open in a new tab
[04:43] <wbeck85> :)
[04:43] <wbeck85> what fglrx driver are you using?
[04:43] <EsK> yeah i saw that
[04:43] <Levander> zapallito: adduser command
[04:43] <dr_willis> Hmm.
[04:43] <Echylo> good ftp server for ubuntu?
[04:43] <dr_willis> Openoffice isent seeing my Printers I got installed.. grrr.
[04:44] <aleitner> zapallito: if you are on hoary, a comfortable way is to "System->Administration->Users and Groups"
[04:44] <dr_willis> there it goes... :P silly thing.. had to close out OO and reopen it - after adding a printer with the gnome tools
[04:45] <ikaro> hellas everyone.
[04:45] <Echylo> what is a good ftp server for ubuntu please? membreya ?? :p
[04:45] <membreya> right there dr_willis ? :P
[04:45] <membreya> Echylo: ftpd :P
[04:45] <Echylo> yay
[04:45] <Echylo> :p
[04:45] <dr_willis> best to not use a ftp server. use ssh
[04:45] <Levander> zapallito: that's menu's in warty to, Computer -> System Configuration -> Users and Groups
[04:45] <zapallito> but my problem is, when i try add a user, this user too is a superuser
[04:45] <EsK> yeah thats a bug in fedora, the new shell has a bug in it where it freezes when starting CUPS
[04:45] <membreya> erm why's that dr_willis ?
[04:45] <dr_willis> membreya,  one word "Security" and its a BIG word. :P
[04:45] <zapallito> my english is so so
[04:45] <Echylo> ssh
[04:45] <Echylo> and ftp
[04:46] <Echylo> I need to share files
[04:46] <Echylo> :|
[04:46] <membreya> dr_willis: so disable anon :)
[04:46] <dr_willis> share in what way - with what other machines?
[04:46] <EsK> is it necessary to get firestarter
[04:46] <Levander> zapallito: that means that user can run sudo?  root is disabled by default in ubuntu
[04:46] <Echylo> over the internet
[04:46] <Echylo> with people
[04:46] <Echylo> who use windows
[04:46] <zapallito> Levander i know
[04:46] <ali> EsK, i use wu-ftpd ...
[04:46] <Echylo> thanks
[04:46] <zapallito> but the new user too can run sudo command
[04:46] <membreya> Echylo: if you can be bothered setting up tunneling..... :P
[04:46] <EsK> doesnt ubuntu come with selinux?
[04:47] <Echylo> tunneling? :p
[04:47] <dr_willis> Echylo,  they can use 'sftp' or some other ssh aware client and get the same job done. with no ftp server running.
[04:47] <Levander> zapallito: but what u mean this user too is a superuser?  u mean he can run commands w sudo?
[04:47] <Levander> zapallito: how u know this new user is a super user?
[04:47] <ali> EsK, it is in the rep
[04:47] <membreya> use ip tunneling, establish a VPN and use samba :)
[04:47] <zapallito> Levander no no, normal user
[04:47] <dr_willis> membreya,  heh - thats one way... wich ive never done.
[04:47] <zapallito> i need to add a normal user
[04:47] <Xappe> aaah, just played Zipman III with dosbox. Sweet, sweet memories...
[04:48] <membreya> dr_willis: ...but it works..major pain to setup if you're new to it :)
[04:48] <Echylo> hmm a gui ftp server?
[04:48] <Levander> zapallito: okay, but when u try to add a normal user, u say he turns out a superuser.  How u know this new user is a superuser?
[04:48] <membreya> Echylo: webmin dude :)
[04:48] <dr_willis> membreya,  heh ive seen these ssh  things for windows that can make a remote ssh box look like a drive letter also.
[04:48] <Echylo> damn, I asking much again :p
[04:48] <membreya> ssh has come a long way in the last few years dr_willis :)
[04:48] <Echylo> but I lost all my search engines :P
[04:48] <dazed|> xappe u have a dosbox?
[04:48] <ali> Echylo, use wu-ftpd with webmin
[04:48] <dr_willis> then again - i just use stuff on my local lan.
[04:48] <dr_willis> membreya,  and its soooo handy.
[04:49] <zapallito> becose this user can use the sudo command
[04:49] <dr_willis> membreya,  linux has come a long way tuxy!
[04:49] <dr_willis> :P
[04:49] <EsK> hey ali is your wu-ftpd version 2.6.2-17.2?
[04:49] <membreya> i have 980 music videos, I ain't sharin with noone!
[04:49] <Levander> zapallito: cool, i'm checking something for u
[04:49] <membreya> dr_willis: last time I used *nix, I was using FreeBSD 4
[04:49] <dr_willis> membreya,  nice how we all got so much drive space we can just collect junk eh? :P
[04:49] <Levander> zapallito: there's prolly just a group u need to take him outta
[04:49] <membreya> junk?!
[04:49] <zapallito> for example this user, can intalll programs
[04:50] <dazed|> lol membreya
[04:50] <dr_willis> membreya,  i got several 100GB of old roms/C64 games :P
[04:50] <zapallito> running apt-get intall ; password
[04:50] <membreya> gah...at least try and get amiga500 roms :P
[04:50] <Echylo> webmin, is a browser config thing?
[04:50] <dr_willis> I got several  REAL amigas :P
[04:50] <membreya> Echylo: yessir
[04:50] <Levander> zapallito: i get it, i'm looking something up
[04:50] <zapallito> ok Levander
[04:50] <dr_willis> membreya,  got a dvd or 4 of amiga stuff as well.
[04:50] <zapallito> thx
[04:50] <Echylo> I don't dare to ask how to launch it
[04:50] <zapallito> Levander thx
[04:51] <Echylo> (but I did it anyway)
[04:51] <ali> EsK, ..........1
[04:51] <membreya> Echylo: https://(hostname):10000
[04:51] <dr_willis> webmin - you install it. start the service. and connect to https://localhost:10000
[04:51] <Echylo> k
[04:51] <membreya> stop stealing my thunder dr_willis on the few things I know ! :P
[04:51] <dr_willis> webmin comes with a lot of security features  locked down REAL tight by default.
[04:52] <dr_willis> ubuntu guys tend to be REAL paranoid about security :P
[04:52] <dr_willis> which is good.
[04:52] <dazed|> i have to go ace a cs201 test on how to use Microsoft Word YAY!
[04:52] <EsK> so..... what else is good for ubuntu
[04:52] <membreya> dazed|: I sure hope you know how to click a mouse!
[04:52] <ali> mplayer
[04:52] <EsK> i have totem
[04:52] <dr_willis> dazed| answer everything "hit F1 and RTFM"
[04:52] <ali> it sucks
[04:52] <EsK> it works perfect for me
[04:52] <dazed|> i know right membreya
[04:53] <membreya> dr_willis: you mean I spent $90AUD on a thick ass book on ms office for nothing :P
[04:53] <dazed|> lol Dr_Willis
[04:53] <dr_willis> its sad when you have to teach a TOTALLY new to computers users - WHICH button is the "right" vs "left" button..
[04:53] <EsK> lmao dr
[04:53] <membreya> dr_willis: that's where mac's come in
[04:53] <dr_willis> No sir.. its not the "Right or WRONG button"
[04:53] <dr_willis> membreya,  i toss that lame imac mouses...
[04:53] <Echylo> hmm wich username & pass does webmin uses
[04:53] <dazed|> i skipped a week straight of this class came in made up a test on like hard drives and I/O devices and stupid bios questions got a 98 and left havent been back since
[04:53] <Echylo> it doesn't accept root
[04:53] <Echylo> neither it does echylo
[04:54] <membreya> i get confused on macs...where's the friggin right mouse button! spend 10k on a mac and you get a mouse with only one friggin button!
[04:54] <Levander> zapallito: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=4021&highlight=sudoers+adduser
[04:54] <ali>  Echylo ??
[04:54] <dazed|> i dont htink i could use a mac mouse....id throw it against the wall...i use my right click more then anything
[04:54] <Levander> zapallito: new users aren't supposed to be able to run sudo commands by default
[04:55] <Echylo> what ali?
[04:55] <Levander> zapallito: if that new user is in /etc/sudoers, u've configured something differently than default
[04:55] <Echylo> I tried to login
[04:55] <dazed|> alright all well ill be back in about 15 minutes when im done with this test
[04:55] <Echylo> but I can't
[04:55] <membreya> they have to be added to the sudousers or the admin group
[04:55] <Levander> zapallito: u still there?
[04:55] <Xappe> dazed|, dosbox is a dos emulator
[04:55] <ali> Echylo, log into webmin?
[04:55] <dazed|> ohhh ok
[04:55] <Echylo> yes
[04:55] <Echylo> great
[04:55] <prego> membreya, you have to press the "apple" keyboard-button plus the mouse button. Or something like that
[04:55] <Echylo> Error - Access denied for 127.0.0.1. The host has been blocked because of too many authentication failures.
[04:55] <dazed|> lol i thought u had a comp strictly for dos
[04:55] <dazed|> lol
[04:56] <ali> Echylo, don't install it from th rep install it manually
[04:56] <membreya> Echylo: you DO know you have to login using admin ?
[04:56] <EsK> is the flashplugin on one of the universion rep's
[04:56] <membreya> or root
[04:56] <Xappe> dazed|, i wish :)
[04:56] <factotum> or just get a 2 button mouse
[04:56] <prego> yes
[04:56] <Echylo> well like u see
[04:56] <Echylo> I don't
[04:56] <ali> brb
[04:56] <EsK> root
[04:56] <membreya> membreya: i think you get another chance to login in about 5 mins
[04:57] <Echylo> :)
[04:57] <membreya> erm
[04:57] <Echylo> I get it ;)
[04:57] <membreya> why am I talking to myself :|
[04:57] <EsK> lol
[04:57] <Echylo> but how do I need to login then?
[04:57] <Echylo> I used my root password
[04:57] <prego> see you all soon.
[04:57] <membreya> Echylo: use root
[04:57] <membreya> as the login
[04:58] <Echylo> yes..
[04:58] <Echylo> but the pass won't "fit"
[04:58] <membreya> the configus are kept in /etc/webmin/miniserv.users
[04:58] <Echylo> you know I'll stop acting irritating and look for it by myself ;)
[04:58] <Echylo> thanks :)
[04:58] <membreya> when would that be Echylo ? :|
[04:59] <Echylo> right now
[04:59] <EsK> is the flashplugin on one of the universal rep's
[04:59] <dr_willis> of course ya need to install a few of the modules for webmin  - so you can actually do things with it.
[04:59] <Echylo> ok wait 5 minutes
[04:59] <Echylo> miniserv replies
[04:59] <Echylo> root:*
[04:59] <ali> Echylo, The webmin packages in universe were made for debian. It probably would be easy to tweak them to work with sudo, but they don't.
[04:59] <ali> I found it easier to download the lates sources for Webmin and install it by hand, the old fashined way. It works fine.
[04:59] <membreya> Echylo: if you REALLY want, do an mkpassword..generate a shadow key ....and then paste it in the miniserv.users
[04:59] <dr_willis> and i do THINK its locked down by default where only localhost can get on to webmin
[04:59] <membreya> ali: I had no problems with using the repo
[04:59] <Echylo> my host is blocked :D
[04:59] <dr_willis> An initial version of this password file has been generated for you. It contains only a 'root' user,
[05:00] <Echylo> great
[05:00] <dr_willis> if your root user had no password.. well then you got none. :P
[05:00] <dr_willis> this is where the ubuntu no-root password  design has an issue.
[05:00] <membreya> Echylo: ....look at miniserv.conf
[05:00] <membreya> change the limit
[05:00] <membreya> for locking out
[05:00] <membreya> oh wait!
[05:00] <membreya> i remember what I had to do with webmin :D
[05:01] <dr_willis> membreya,  lol
[05:01] <ali> lol
[05:01] <dr_willis> I always cheat and make a password just for root...  installing webmin now. lets see
[05:02] <Echylo> hmm
[05:02] <Echylo> you need to restart webmin when you change the conf files?
[05:02] <membreya> Echylo:  sudo passwd root -l (password)
[05:03] <dr_willis> Echylo,  not sure - wouldent hurt.
[05:03] <membreya> erm
[05:03] <membreya> Echylo:  sudo passwd root -u (password) even :P
[05:03] <beezly> heya n
[05:03] <beezly> damn
[05:03] <beezly> Nermal:
[05:03] <beezly> hey
[05:04] <Echylo> hmm how to restart webmin
[05:04] <Echylo> then it might wirk
[05:04] <Echylo> work*
[05:04] <membreya> Echylo: /etc/init.d/webmin restart
[05:04] <Echylo> almost figured that out on my own :P
[05:05] <Echylo> sigh
[05:05] <dr_willis> Linux FUNdaMentals!
[05:05] <Echylo> login failed
[05:05] <Echylo> gonna slap it
[05:05] <Echylo> *slap*
[05:05] <membreya> wait Echylo
[05:05] <dr_willis> how did you set up the password for webmin?
[05:05] <Nermal> you slapper :P
[05:05] <Nermal> password is root password
[05:05] <Nermal> ffs
[05:05] <dr_willis> could set roots password.. then reinstall webmin.
[05:06] <dr_willis> i had roots passwd set befor i installed it. :P
[05:06] <ali> or do it the old way, install it manually
[05:06] <membreya> im an idiot Echylo
[05:06] <membreya> do a sudo passwd root
[05:06] <Echylo> no I am but anyway
[05:06] <membreya> then change the password
[05:06] <dr_willis> man  - its sad when your system is so slow.. you do a 'su -' and can have half the password entered befor it even asks...
[05:06] <membreya> once you login to webmin with that new password, add a new user with full functionality
[05:07] <membreya> and then disable your password
[05:07] <membreya> for root
[05:07] <Mitario> hmm, with what app do I send a file to a bluetooth device (e.g. mobile phone)
[05:07] <Nermal> Mitario, probably an obex push tool
[05:07] <membreya> to disable it you do the sudo password -l root
[05:07] <Mitario> Nermal, do you know of one?
[05:07] <Nermal> Mitario, try this: http://zenit.xs4all.nl/html/deb6230en.html
[05:07] <zapallito> see ya
[05:07] <Nermal> #ussp-push /dev/rfcomm0 /home/user/test.jpg test.jpg
[05:07] <Nermal> for example
[05:07] <Nermal> but I don't think it's in ubuntu, just debian
[05:08] <Nermal> or just type bluetooth:/// in nautilus
[05:08] <membreya> get that Echylo ?
[05:08] <Echylo> yes hang on
[05:08] <membreya> don't you "hang on" me mista
[05:09] <Echylo> &&" slap slap slap slap &"&
[05:09] <Echylo> that was an answer
[05:09] <membreya> did it work Echylo ?
[05:09] <Echylo> omg I gonna slap you :p
[05:10] <membreya> :D
[05:10] <membreya> it's 3 am
[05:10] <membreya> gotta be up in 5 hours
[05:10] <Echylo> yea it was funny :P
[05:11] <fesja> hi,
[05:11] <ali> membreya, 3am where the hell are you ?
[05:11] <membreya> melbourne, aus
[05:11] <ssgtfu> hey
[05:11] <Echylo> and for example, if I add echylo:mkpasswdgenerated to the users list?
[05:11] <Echylo> will it work that way?
[05:11] <ali> membreya, k
[05:12] <membreya> Echylo: did changing the root password allow you to login ?
[05:12] <ssgtfu> have a question what does hoary, jigit & warty mean?
[05:12] <Echylo> no
[05:12] <fesja> how can i change between the speaker and the headphones in the config ? is it possible ?
[05:12] <membreya> you're doing it wrong then
[05:12] <membreya> HOW did you do it ?
[05:12] <Echylo> like you said
[05:13] <membreya> did you do a sudo passwd root?
[05:13] <membreya> and then type the password twice?
[05:13] <Echylo> hahahaha
[05:13] <Echylo> I managed :P
[05:13] <Echylo> I added echylo as user
[05:13] <Echylo> and that way it helped :p
[05:13] <Echylo> ow
[05:13] <Echylo> wait
[05:13] <Echylo> You do not have access to any Webmin modules.
[05:13] <Echylo> guess it's root thing
[05:13] <membreya> yup :)
[05:14] <Echylo> back to zero
[05:14] <ali> Echylo, ahhhh...install it manually !
[05:14] <Echylo> yes yes
[05:14] <Echylo> wait you
[05:14] <Echylo> ok
[05:14] <Echylo> I succeeded :)
[05:15] <Echylo> logged in as root
[05:15] <Echylo> next question!
[05:15] <Echylo> just kiddin btw I'll leave y'all alone :p
[05:16] <tritium> Nermal, last time I saw you you cussed somebody out and steamed off...
[05:17] <Nermal> tritium, you lucky thing
[05:17] <dazed|> that test was a JOKE!!!!!
[05:17] <Nermal> probably dealing with another RTFM retard
[05:17] <dazed|> True/False...Linux is the new Windows....ROFL!!!!
[05:17] <Nermal> dazed|, stfu dear
[05:17] <tritium> Nermal, don't
[05:17] <dazed|> shows a picture of windows Command Prompt "This is an example of a Command Line True/False" lol
[05:17] <Echylo> ?
[05:18] <Nermal> tritium, ?
[05:18] <edulix> hi !
[05:20] <edulix> to disable ipv6 in kubuntu should I just change in /etc/modprobe.d/aliases from "alias net-pf-10 off" to "alias net-pf-10 off" ?
[05:20] <Coily> whats the command for displaying the fs of a partition? the command for the speed/mode of the disk would be useful too
[05:20] <edulix> you mean mounted partitions ?
[05:21] <Coily> yes
[05:21] <supos> mount?
[05:21] <edulix> df -h shows nicely mounted partitions
[05:21] <edulix> mount does also
[05:21] <Coily> thanks
[05:21] <Nermal> speed mode = hdparm
[05:21] <Nermal> or dmesg |grep hda
[05:22] <GilGalad> Hi. I am trying so install plone but I am failing in the last step (I think). I have installed all the zope related products but I get an error when installing the plone-site package. Has anybody gone through this.
[05:22] <Coily> thanks again
[05:22] <GilGalad> The error is: dpkg: error processing plone-site (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 23
[05:22] <tritium> Anubis, were you the one asking about clearing recent documents sometime back?
[05:23] <Xappe> tritium, is that bug fixed yet?
[05:23] <Nermal> GilGalad, probably the installation script trying to use python2.3 and you have python2.4 installed
[05:23] <tritium> Xappe, it appears to be, yes.
[05:23] <neighborlee> Im seeing like 66 package updates/day in hoary preview release and wondering is this normal ? ;-)
[05:23] <Levander> Any good apache modules that support "play on server" in the repositories?
[05:23] <Nermal> GilGalad, edit the configuration script and s/2.3/2/4
[05:23] <Xappe> tritium, ah, lookie...the recent documents is cleared
[05:23] <dazed|> lol
[05:24] <tritium> Xappe, ;)
[05:24] <daniels> jono: hey dude, how goes?
[05:24] <Nermal> s/s\/2.3\/2\/4/s\/2.3\/2.4
[05:24] <GilGalad> Nermal, which configuration script?
[05:24] <Nermal> the plone one
[05:25] <GilGalad> lost
[05:26] <motuline> why mplayer don't open video window.. it just plays the file.. no sound no video  :o
[05:26] <Nermal> GilGalad, not sure where dpkg puts it during installation
[05:26] <Xappe> i'm *this* close to removing my winXP partition
[05:27] <GilGalad> Nermal, i am looking at files on /var/lib/dpkg/info where all plone* postinst, etc. files are...
[05:27] <Nermal> aye.. me too
[05:27] <Nermal> can;t remember where it is
[05:27] <ShadeofGrey> how do i use apt-get to update my firefox install from 1.0 to 1.01 ?
[05:27] <GilGalad> but no sign of python2.3 there....
[05:27] <Nermal> use hoary
[05:27] <GilGalad> I am
[05:27] <Nermal> no.. ShadeofGrey
[05:28] <PacoBCN> wow, 90 updates today
[05:28] <Nermal> concept of release based distribution is obviously new to him
[05:28] <ssam> gearing up for array cd 7
[05:28] <tritium> If you can't say anything nice...
[05:28] <ShadeofGrey> so theres no way to update firefox from cmdline?
[05:29] <tritium> ShadeofGrey, you're still using Warty?
[05:29] <tritium> or Hoary?
[05:31] <fr500> how do i make ping to a list of ip addresses located in an archive?
[05:31] <kotatsu> fr500: depends on the formatting
[05:31] <ShadeofGrey> tritium:  no - hoary
[05:32] <tritium> ShadeofGrey, it should upgrade automatically, in that case.
[05:32] <kotatsu> ShadeofGrey: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[05:32] <fr500> is just the list with one address per line no more
[05:32] <Xappe> hmm, no 2.6.10-5-ppc?
[05:32] <ShadeofGrey> okay wait how dfo i checkif its hoary or warty?
[05:33] <tritium> cat /etc/issue
[05:33] <kotatsu> fr500: for i in $( cat <archive-name> ); do ping "$i"; done
[05:33] <kotatsu> or if it's gzip you have to use zcat
[05:33] <ShadeofGrey> Ubuntu 5.04 "Hoary Hedgehog" Development Branch \n \l
[05:33] <kotatsu> gzipped*
[05:33] <ShadeofGrey> thats what ive got
[05:33] <fr500> thanks ill try it now
[05:34] <tritium> ShadeofGrey, what does apt-cache policy mozilla-firefox tell you?
[05:34] <jdub> DUDES!
[05:35] <jdub> WHOA!
[05:35] <jdub> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2005-March/000020.html
[05:35] <Nermal> ?
[05:35] <tritium> you should see a 1.0.1-2ubuntu1 installation candidate, ShadeofGrey
[05:35] <ShadeofGrey> yeah igot it
[05:35] <Nermal> dude... give it a decent name :|
[05:35] <ShadeofGrey> its installing
[05:35] <Nermal> rabid hamster or something
[05:35] <tritium> ShadeofGrey, what did you have installed?
[05:35] <Bwl> Just wanted to say thanks for all ubuntu devs. Been using Debian since slink and am stunned. Now goingto change my last computer to ubuntu. ;)
[05:35] <daniels> Nermal: dude, it's so much better than the previous candidate that it's not funny
[05:36] <ssam> sure rabid rabit
[05:36] <Nermal> aye :)
[05:36] <chillywilly> anyone running ubuntu on a production server?
[05:36] <Nermal> daniels, thats not too difficult ;)
[05:36] <Nermal> "dave" or "jim" perhaps
[05:37] <Nermal> I'm just bitchy as I'm tired :|
[05:37] <virtuald> what's SABDFL?
[05:37] <tritium> Mark
[05:38] <sandino> hello all. just installaed ubuntu.. how can i access my root account and drop this sudo crap
[05:38] <virtuald> sandino: sudo passwd
[05:38] <kotatsu> sandino: $ sudo passwd
[05:38] <sandino> virtuald k can i then del sudo ..?
[05:39] <Nermal> something something "best distribution for linux?"
[05:40] <sandino> slackware is "best distribution for linux"   something like that ..?
[05:40] <thoreauputic> sandino: use sudo -s to get a root shell
[05:40] <Goshawk> sandino, use sudo is better for security
[05:40] <EsK> how do i get MP3 support for rhythmbox
[05:40] <sandino> i dont believe its better for security
[05:40] <Goshawk> sandino, since all the commands are logged in
[05:40] <sandino> i just want to del it
[05:40] <Xappe> EsK, install gstreamer0.8-mad
[05:40] <ells> tritium: what is up mike
[05:40] <tritium> sandino, various apps depend on gksu, which in turn depends on sudo
[05:41] <EsK> okay
[05:41] <tritium> ells, hey Steve
[05:41] <ells> I figured out what is causing my xmms issues
[05:41] <sandino> crap. i knew tis wasto happen going
[05:41] <EsK> my xmms wont plat
[05:41] <EsK> play*
[05:41] <kain> either mine
[05:41] <sandino> oh well, this is for the living room
[05:41] <kain> xmms on hoary seems broken
[05:41] <tritium> ells, oh, what was it?
[05:41] <ells> tritium: it is a library that is updated when I update to hoary
[05:41] <Xappe> EsK, change to ESD output in xmms
[05:41] <tritium> sandino, what's the matter?
[05:41] <ells> tritium: it wokrs in warty
[05:41] <EsK> okay
[05:41] <thoreauputic> EsK: install libmikmod2
[05:41] <Nermal> use beep-media-player for christ sake
[05:41] <tritium> ells, oh?  which one?
[05:41] <ells> tritium: I wont be installing any upated libraries
[05:42] <ells> tritium: not sure exactly, I have narrowed to a few
[05:42] <Xappe> Nermal, same, same, but different ey ;)
[05:42] <thoreauputic> Nermal: not everyone knows about beep :)
[05:42] <ells> tritium: lots of time invested in fixing this one
[05:42] <Nermal> supports alsa out of the box :|
[05:42] <Nermal> and is pwetty gtk2 ;)
[05:42] <f3tus_> i deleted my panel at the top, is there a quick way to get that back?
[05:43] <tritium> ells, as long as you care enough about xmms to use it instead of another player...
[05:43] <ells> tritium: you will like this one Mike, My partner was trying to fix it and he broke my system, all kernels, had to update, not mad, done it so much , easy
[05:43] <thoreauputic> f3tus_: right click panel. add new panel
[05:43] <sandino> tritium well i have slackware systems , but i was looking for something for the kids, i just want to be able to takke stuff out, this sudo is something that i never liked.
[05:43] <cocol> cright click on the lower taskbar
[05:43] <ells> tritium: well Mike I could not play any mp3 at all
[05:43] <f3tus_> thoreauputic, the whole top bar is gone
[05:43] <sandino> let me see what i can do here
[05:44] <Nermal> f3tus_, congratulations
[05:44] <f3tus_> :(
[05:44] <thoreauputic> f3tus_: click the bottom one
[05:44] <tritium> sandino, it would probably be better to leave it in, if for no other reason, for the apps that depend on gksu.  Other than that, you can give root a password and use su
[05:44] <dazed|> f3tus_: right click the lower task bar
[05:44] <ells> tritium: I am reupgrading to hoary as we speak
[05:44] <dazed|> and click add task bar
[05:44] <thoreauputic> f3tus_: you can add menus etc
[05:44] <sandino> tritium k
[05:44] <f3tus_> i cant get the old back huh
[05:44] <tritium> ells, okay.  You haven't considered any other players?
[05:44] <ells> tritium: any suggestions
[05:45] <kain> rhythmbox is fine for me
[05:45] <thoreauputic> f3tus_: you can, you just rebuild it with the menus and applets you want
[05:45] <ells> kain, maybe I will that one
[05:45] <Xappe> beep is quite ok, too
[05:45] <ells> really impartial,ya know
[05:45] <kain> is somewhat different from xmms, but it works and has a nice interface
[05:46] <tritium> ells, I thought you were going to switch to the kde media player a-something
[05:46] <ells> tritium: Mike, do you know of any good wireless desktop cards that will work out of the box, well I tried that Amarok, did not work either
[05:46] <ells> tritium: definately some library that was conflicting or something
[05:46] <tritium> ells, have you tried rhythmbox or beep?
[05:47] <ells> tritium, rythm box a few times, beep naw
[05:47] <Solatis> breezing badger?!
[05:47] <Solatis> mushrooms mushrooms!
[05:47] <jdub> chillywilly: i'm running ubuntu on two production servers
[05:47] <ells> tritium: until I finish the upgrade, I am listening to my iPod
[05:47] <thoreauputic> Solatis:aargh! SnaaaaaaaaaaKe!!
[05:48] <Solatis> thoreauputic: hehehe :P
[05:48] <ells> tritium: I am jamming, ha ha
[05:48] <jdub> chillywilly: now that hoary is in preview, i'm running them on hoary, too, for testing :)
[05:48] <tritium> ells, well, good luck, whichever you decide to use.
[05:48] <ells> tritium: thanks Mike
[05:48] <ells> tritium: we got a buttload of snow in the last few days man
[05:49] <tritium> So did Albuquerque, I hear.
[05:49] <ells> tritium: hear the same Mike
[05:49] <fr500> kotatsu, same basic question, now i want to add a lot of routes stored in a file in the format 192.168.1.0/24 via 200.110.71.7 dev eth1, now i need to read the file line by line not word by word
[05:49] <ells> tritium: your boys ND lost to HOly Cross yesterday
[05:49] <fr500> kotatsu, the command i need to run is ip route add "line"
[05:49] <tritium> ells, thanks for reminding me :(
[05:49] <ells> tritium: sorry mike, just tracking em
[05:50] <ells> tritium: Go AAAAARRRRRIIIIIIZZZZZOOOONNNNNAAAA
[05:50] <ells> that was arizona
[05:50] <tritium> heh
[05:50] <ells> tritium: somebody has to represent
[05:50] <dazed|> lol
[05:51] <dazed|> UNC is going to take it home this year though
[05:51] <ells> tritium: hey Mike, do you have any opinion on Debian
[05:51] <sandino> hey quick question .. i see that there is (are) 150 updates .. what software sources should i pick. i am using 5.04  which is beta i beleive
[05:51] <f3tus> wheres the panel configuration stuff saved, could i copy the default settings from another user?
[05:51] <ells> tritium: for the laptop
[05:51] <ells> tritium: seems to take more config
[05:51] <tritium> ells, it's fine, I just have a stronger preference for ubuntu
[05:52] <ells> tritium: ubuntu seems to work better out the box
[05:52] <sandino> yeah this ubuntu installed good so far on thsi laptop
[05:52] <thoreauputic> f3tus: a more drastic way is to back up all your ~/.gnome files and restartgnome - should regenerate to default
[05:52] <kotatsu> fr500: cat <ip-list> | while read line; do ip <stuff> "$line"; done
[05:52] <kotatsu> fr500: the quotes "" around $line are important btw, don't leave them out
[05:52] <tritium> sandino, :)
[05:52] <thoreauputic> f3tus: or delete them
[05:52] <f3tus> ohhh
[05:52] <fr500> kotatsu, tanks
[05:53] <tritium> ells, you're not going to take ubuntu off, are you?
[05:53] <f3tus> okay thanks
[05:53] <sandino> tritium are you a deveeloper ?
[05:53] <sandino> developer
[05:53] <tritium> sandino, no...working on a few package that may be in universe, some day...
[05:53] <ells> tritium: hey Mike, now that I have upgraded a few times to hoary, my wireless card wont work in Warty, but works fine in Hoary, cannot get an IP in Warty. Naw, Ubuntu all the way
[05:53] <sandino> and how can i get mozilla instead of this annoying firefox
[05:53] <ells> sandino, apt-get it
[05:53] <kotatsu> sandino: install mozilla-browser
[05:54] <thoreauputic> sandino: just sudo apt-get install mozilla
[05:54] <kotatsu> and firefox IS annoying... use epiphany! =P
[05:54] <kain> I've seen that there's already a bug report that firefox on hoary 1.0.1 simply just don't download files at some point
[05:54] <tritium> ells, glad to hear it works for you
[05:54] <kain> that's annoying
[05:54] <thoreauputic> why is firefox annoying?
[05:54] <sandino> thanks. i need to read about this apt-get ..  im use to manually installation
[05:54] <kotatsu> thoreauputic: because it's not epiphany ;)
[05:54] <sandino> thoreauputic  never liked it.. ive always liked the stock mozilla
[05:54] <ells> tritium, hopefully when I get done upgrading my audio will still work. keep your fingers crossed
[05:55] <tritium> yep
[05:55] <dazed|> lol
[05:55] <Xappe> kain, i realized the same thing today. it won't download from ftp
[05:55] <kain> yes
[05:55] <kain> there's already a bug report filled
[05:55] <kain> we must wait
[05:55] <thoreauputic> bah *restarting
[05:55] <Ajaleo> hello
[05:56] <dazed|> lol thoreauputic
[05:56] <sandino> in sofwatre preferences for the updates.. i should use source or binary according to my version .. ?
[05:56] <kotatsu> thoreauputic: epiphany is better than firefox, kde sucks, and also my schlong is bigger than yours
[05:56] <sandino> ha.
[05:57] <kain> you should use binary unless you want to compile something from a source deb package
[05:57] <thoreauputic> kotatsu:  dillo RuL3Z !!
[05:57] <dazed|> kotatsu: uhoh you have done it now
[05:57] <Myrtti> I have bigger tits than any of you.
[05:57] <sandino> k. damn this reminds me of ximain
[05:57] <sandino> ximian
[05:57] <Myrtti> And that is a fact
[05:57] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:57] <dazed|> bigger then mine id hope...since i have none
[05:57] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: that I won't argue with... :)
[05:57] <sandino> well if you are a woman i would care .. otherwise ..
[05:58] <Myrtti> sandino: http://irc.fi/myrtti
[05:58] <Myrtti> feel free to find out
[05:59] <kotatsu> I've typed several responses, and yet I choose to hold my tongue
[05:59] <kotatsu> hmmm
[05:59] <sandino> nice.
[05:59] <EsK> how do i check which version of GTK i have
[06:00] <tritium> I think we found the next ubuntu-calendar girl
[06:00] <miguellinux> Hi, Im trying to install ubuntu warty powerpc on a imac 333 but there is no X, witch tool I can use for that?
[06:00] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[06:00] <kotatsu> EsK: dpkg -l | grep gtk
[06:01] <csorrell> I just upgraded my firefox and now when I go to download any files, it doesn't work....doesn't even show up in the downloads panel
[06:01] <kotatsu> EsK: or better yet, $ apt-cache policy libgtk2.0-0
[06:01] <ells> tritium: ya know Mike, I think I will stay with Warty, until the stable release of Hoary comes out
[06:01] <LordGrunt> hi
[06:01] <kain> csorrell, it is a know issue, will be fixed
[06:01] <Myrtti> oh, and that text on the shirt... #nerdettes in Finnish
[06:01] <ells> only a month and some change
[06:01] <neighborlee> csorrell, know bug
[06:01] <neighborlee> csorrell, known
[06:02] <tritium> ells, whatever suits you best, buddy
[06:02] <csorrell> Thanks
[06:02] <neighborlee> kain, didn't see your reply
[06:02] <EsK> okay thanks
[06:02] <dazed|> Myrtti: whats your name mean is it in another language?
[06:02] <sandino> Myrtti so you live in finland ..?>
[06:02] <ells> tritium: I like my music, dont want to risk a reinstall or something
[06:02] <LordGrunt> what do you suggest to use if i want to have automatically mounting and unmounting cdrom? cause it sucks as it is now ;)
[06:02] <kotatsu> gvm?
[06:02] <kain> neighborlee, I just read bugzilla, that's it
[06:02] <Myrtti> dazed|: Myrtle
[06:02] <kain> today I will create an account and start contributing
[06:02] <Myrtti> sandino: that's right
[06:02] <tritium> ells, not like you haven't done that umpteen times now ;)
[06:02] <sandino> see what happens when you admit to be a woman.. interest  !
[06:03] <kain> hey, I installed ubuntu only yesterday
[06:03] <kain> :D
[06:03] <neighborlee> kain, I knew already from use and from reading forums <G>
[06:03] <ells> tritium: really, I am install expert
[06:03] <sandino> Myrtti cool , one of my favorite bands is from Finland
[06:03] <neighborlee> kain, excellent!!!
[06:03] <ells> tritium: as a blind man, I could make a good living
[06:03] <neighborlee> kain, how do you like it ? ;-)
[06:03] <PacoBCN> I see now gaim-encryption is an ubuntu package
[06:03] <PacoBCN> great
[06:03] <Myrtti> which one, Rasmus, HIM...?
[06:03] <Myrtti> Kemopetrol?
[06:03] <Mayr> i don't see subtitles in XINE?
[06:03] <sandino> The Circle
[06:03] <dazed|> sandino: one of my favorite bands is from finland
[06:03] <Myrtti> :-)
[06:03] <sandino> Mayr depends on the movie?
[06:04] <dazed|> Myrtti: HIM is my alll time favorite band
[06:04] <sandino> what is HIM
[06:04] <Mayr> Sandino, speak spanish
[06:04] <sandino> why
[06:04] <kain> neighborlee, I think that ubuntu from my pov is the first gnu/linux distribution to be perfectly suitable for desktop and normal users
[06:04] <Myrtti> but back to the ubuntutalk
[06:04] <dazed|> His Infernal Majesty ... greatest band ever
[06:04] <kotatsu> kain: my boss, my boss's mother, and my younger sister are all using Warty
[06:04] <sandino> what kind of music
[06:04] <kain> kotatsu, that's nice
[06:05] <Mayr> i am latinoamerican, my english is bab
[06:05] <kotatsu> <3 ubuntu... it really cuts down on my out-of-work tech support time =P
[06:05] <Myrtti> I went to my schools computer centre to ask about Citrix not working... they could tell me only that they haven't gotten it working from their homes either
[06:05] <kotatsu> no more cleaning up windows!
[06:05] <tizen> wow
[06:05] <tizen> 75 updates
[06:05] <thoreauputic> Mayr:  #ubuntu-es
[06:05] <PacoBCN> tizen, 90 here
[06:05] <kain> yes, they update also x.org to 6.8.2-4
[06:06] <bert-> Hi, can i ask something here?
[06:06] <Myrtti> I had only three
[06:06] <Myrtti> bert-: you just did
[06:06] <bert-> :)
[06:06] <Mayr> Sandino, the movie is format DVD
[06:06] <rob> hey you guys know how to change the settings of the mouse on a laptop from the default of regestering a click when you move your finger?
[06:06] <keyhack> I installed a JRE from Sun's website by hand, but FireFox doesn't seem to think it has the plugin required to run an applet. How can I get FireFox to know about the JRE?
[06:06] <sandino> question; can i use this kernel config on another distro?
[06:06] <PacoBCN> I'll tell you something funny. My gfriend barely knows how to use a computer, just to surf and download email. Well, she was talking to a friend of her and I heard her saying: Come on, install linux, it's much better than Windows :)
[06:07] <PacoBCN> Probably she heard me saying so
[06:07] <bert-> I would like to know how i can make it possible to set my screen resolution to 1400x1050 .. Currently it seems to be set at 1280x1024 and i can't set it higher...
[06:07] <sandino> Mayr well it also depends if that movie comes with subtitiles. besides use mplayer; its the best
[06:07] <kain> sandino, yes, but be aware that ubuntu uses customized patches, so when you use a .config but sure to issue a make oldconfig
[06:07] <thoreauputic> keyhack: follow the howto on http://ubuntuguide.org
[06:07] <tritium> keyhack, i used java-package to build a .deb, and the plugin works just fine
[06:07] <AngryClip> keyhack: check ubuntuguide.org
[06:07] <sandino> k
[06:07] <rob> probbly cause it looks cooler pacoBCN
[06:07] <Mayr> Sandino, mplayer i can't install
[06:08] <PacoBCN> Rob, I asked her about it and she said it's easier to use
[06:08] <rob> cool.
[06:08] <PacoBCN> yup
[06:08] <AngryClip> bert-: change x server config file
[06:08] <Levander> Is a web listing of the repositories available directly from the ubuntu web sites.  I mean a listing of the packages in the repositories, like this one: http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/hoary/libdevel/libboost-dev
[06:08] <PacoBCN> I'm proud of her
[06:08] <kain> I started using totem based on xine-lib + libdvdcss2
[06:08] <rob> damn mouse with its random clocking
[06:08] <sandino> Mayr why ?
[06:08] <kain> works nice
[06:08] <AngryClip> leonel: I think there is something like that listed on the wiki
[06:08] <PacoBCN> so one of these days I'll have to go to her friend's house to install hoary
[06:08] <PacoBCN> :D
[06:08] <kain> Levander, no, not yet, it will come
[06:08] <Mayr> the dependece fail
[06:09] <Mayr> libarts
[06:09] <sandino> Mayr well do you ustall from source
[06:09] <sandino> install
[06:09] <Levander> kain: okay, guess I will just use this unoffical one I linked to for time being, thanks
[06:09] <bert-> AngryClip, could you please help me a little bit more? what exactly do i need to do?
[06:09] <leonel> AngryClip: really ?
[06:09] <kain> Levander, yes, I'm also curious everytime a package upgrade to read its changelog
[06:10] <LordGrunt> just installing autofs will be enough to my cdrom behave as expected?
[06:10] <Myrtti> PacoBCN: wait for official release of hoary and go then
[06:10] <AngryClip> oops leonel, I ment Levander
[06:10] <AngryClip> apologies
[06:10] <sandino> bbl...
[06:10] <AngryClip> bert-: are you using xorg or XFree ?
[06:10] <bert-> i think xorg
[06:10] <EsK> could you get wine on ubuntu
[06:10] <AngryClip> open up /etc/X11/xorg.conf in a text editor
[06:10] <kain> EsK, yes, add universe repos
[06:10] <EsK> oh
[06:10] <leonel> AngryClip: I know   :)
[06:11] <PacoBCN> Myrrtti, don't want to. I'm pretty happy with hoary already
[06:11] <bert-> AngryClip, yep, it's Xorg
[06:11] <ubll> When is the expected release of Hoary?
[06:11] <PacoBCN> Myrtti, I doubt there will be many changes
[06:11] <EsK> because i like the realtek equalizer that came with my xp comp
[06:11] <AngryClip> bert-: and under the "screen" section
[06:11] <PacoBCN> and if there are I'll just upgrade it
[06:11] <thoreauputic> ubll: april 6
[06:11] <tritium> kain, maybe you'd be interested in installing apt-listchanges, if you're reading all the changelogs
[06:11] <ubll> thanks
[06:11] <Myrtti> PacoBCN: but with the official install CD you'll have a lot less downloading from the net
[06:11] <AngryClip> bert-: is where you can specify the resoultion, you have to be root to save the file though, and then restart the xserver
[06:12] <kain> tritium, yes, yesterday someone pointed this me out, but I forgot, thanks
[06:12] <tritium> kain, np
[06:12] <AngryClip> bert-: by pressing ctl+alt+backspace
[06:12] <keyhack> Ok, second question, is there a way to have my laptop screen act as one monitor, and a hooked up CRT act as a separate desktop? (I dont want my screen on the laptop to be on the monitor, I  want it to be a separate one all together)
[06:12] <Myrtti> and less hassle
[06:12] <Levander> hey, when is hoary due out of beta again?
[06:12] <Myrtti> in a month, approx
[06:12] <AngryClip> Levander: april I think
[06:12] <ubll> Is there a site where I could put in my hardware and see how well Linux/Ubuntu supports it?
[06:13] <tizen> ubll: Easiest way would be to try the livecd
[06:13] <ironwolf> ubll: best thing would be to try the LiveCD.
[06:13] <tritium> ubll, soon...
[06:13] <ubll> thanks thanks and ok cool
[06:13] <Levander> all excited about mysql-query-browser, is a lot better client than that clunky mysqlcc, can see it's already in hoary universe
[06:13] <PacoBCN> Myrtti, true, but that won't be crucial
[06:13] <kain> btw the harware data reporter to submit my hw to ubuntu database is not working
[06:13] <bert-> AngryClip, the weird thing is 1400x1050 is already added in my xorg.conf file, in the screen section, with some color depth modes etc, but i can't seem to choose the resolution if i go to System > Preferences > Screen Resolution in Gnome...
[06:13] <PacoBCN> Myrtti, I'll install it remotely if needed
[06:13] <tritium> kain, it's being worked on at this very moment
[06:14] <kain> k
[06:14] <EsK> where would i find the xorg.conf file?
[06:14] <tritium> there will be a new version soon
[06:14] <AngryClip> bert-: I dunno then
[06:14] <kain> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:14] <Xappe> bert, do you have your screens vertical and horizontal refresh rates?
[06:14] <PacoBCN> one question, guys, any of you uses aMule?
[06:14] <Levander> tritium, u r working for ubuntu? or u keep up w their development announcements?
[06:14] <bert-> nope, i've tried looking for them, but i can't find them anywhere in my manual or on the website of my laptop manufacturer
[06:15] <Micksa> don't suppose anyone knows why I can't change the mouse sensitivity in hoary?
[06:15] <tritium> Levander, no, I don't work for ubuntu, but I work with some of the guys that are developing it
[06:15] <Levander> tritium: where u work?
[06:16] <tritium> Levander, I don't mean at my place of employment
[06:16] <Levander> tritium: well then how u work w them?
[06:16] <tritium> IRC
[06:16] <Levander> tritium: okay, cool
[06:17] <Xappe> bert-, then I guess you have to google a bit and perhaps ask at the forums
[06:17] <thoreauputic> Levander: that's how a lot of linux development happens - on the Net
[06:19] <difeta> how can i login to my cups admin tool? localhost:631  my root username and password do not work
[06:20] <sandino> where can i find the kernel stuff..
[06:20] <Xappe> difeta, you have to unlock the admin function. /etc/cups/cupsd.conf
[06:20] <difeta> Xappe, ahh thanks
[06:21] <sandino> like .config etc..
[06:21] <NeverTheLess> I have d-link usb dongle wlan adapter and I want it to work with version 5.04. Am I correct to install linux-wlan-ng-0.2.1-pre21.tar.gz???
[06:21] <tritium> sandino, /boot
[06:21] <thoreauputic> difeta: at the top of the screen there's a message about security, I believe
[06:21] <LordGrunt> or maybe using supermount will help. pls, anyone? im stuck...
[06:21] <Xappe> difeta, but you can do your admin with that file too I believe
[06:21] <thoreauputic> difeta: do you see that message?
[06:21] <difeta> thoreauputic, yep
[06:22] <sandino> tritium looking for the linux dir so i can copy the kernel to do make oldconfig
[06:22] <kain> sandino, if you're searching for the ubuntu .config kernel file you can find a copy in /boot
[06:22] <tritium> sandino, you would need install a linux-source package
[06:23] <difeta> thoreauputic, what do i do about it? I cant seem to find the line in cupsd.conf
[06:23] <sandino> hmmm there isnt /usr/src/linux .?
[06:23] <sandino> why
[06:23] <tritium> kain, src isn't installed by default
[06:23] <kain> sandino, only if you install kernel-source
[06:23] <kain> and it's unpacked
[06:23] <sandino> ah k
[06:23] <tritium> and as I and kain mentioned, configs for running kernel are in /boot
[06:23] <kain> tritium, I found the kernel config in /boot
[06:23] <kain> no need to install kernel-source
[06:23] <tritium> kain, yeah, I mentioned that to him above
[06:23] <kain> okkey
[06:24] <tritium> you'd want linux-source for ubuntu kernels, not kernel-source
[06:24] <kain> I was shocked when hoary detected without inputs my 2200g centrino
[06:24] <kain> :D
[06:24] <LordGrunt> does latest kernel have supermount suport?
[06:24] <kain> 2200g?
[06:24] <kain> BG
[06:24] <sandino> i want too try to use this kernel config on another distro.. whats the best way
[06:25] <kain> sandino, keep in mind that this is a .config that includes pratically everything
[06:25] <thoreauputic> difeta: do you need this? have you used the gnome cups config tool?
[06:25] <daniels> (and for my next trick, i'll type the nick right this time)
[06:25] <fabbione> sandino: mostlikely it won't work
[06:25] <sandino> k
[06:25] <fabbione> our kernel is heavily patches
[06:25] <fabbione> if the other source doesn't have the same patches
[06:25] <kain> fabbione, a make oldconfig can make the trick?
[06:26] <fabbione> one feature that is enable in our kernel might not be in the other
[06:26] <Amaranth> daniels: You're going to have to stick around if you want to stop those.
[06:26] <kain> I think yes
[06:26] <fabbione> kain: no. that's not enough
[06:26] <petemc> am i right in thinking to use a framebuffer console with an ubuntu kernel, i need to put the relevant modules in /etc/mkinitrd/modules?
[06:26] <Amaranth> daniels: This is one of ~8 channels they join, all with different IPs and nicks.
[06:26] <daniels> Amaranth: yeah, sigh
[06:26] <LordGrunt> hmm, was i silenced ir what? pls, help me about this cdrom thing, im stuck
[06:26] <daniels> let's see if we have any onjoiners
[06:26] <fabbione> kain: scenario: feature A is turned off on distro foo because is known to be broken
[06:27] <fabbione> kain: we enable feature A becuase it is fixed in our tree
[06:27] <Amaranth> I never knew mIRC scripting could do low level socket access before I saw taht.
[06:27] <Amaranth> err, that
[06:27] <fabbione> kain: if he enables the feature becuase of our config
[06:27] <fabbione> kain: he will be doomed to death
[06:27] <kain> I understand
[06:27] <NeverTheLess> anybody knows what I need to install the linux-wlan-ng-0.2.1-pre21.tar.gz
[06:28] <NeverTheLess> Do I have to install the kernel source tree??
[06:28] <PacoBCN> weird bug: My clock time isn't correct and I can't fix it
[06:28] <tritium> NeverTheLess, linux-headers are usually all that's necessary to build modules
[06:28] <drspin> I have a quick nvidia question -- every time I'm done playing Q3 I have to restart X because the resolution doesn't change... any ideas?
[06:29] <kain> PacoBCN, have you tried ntpdate <ntpserverhere> ?
[06:29] <thoreauputic> PacoBCN: try sudo /etc/init.d/ntpdate restart
[06:29] <LordGrunt> i found kernel-patch-2.4-supermount-ng, can i install it on newer kernel?
[06:29] <tritium> NeverTheLess, you're using the ubuntu .debs, aren't you?
[06:29] <tux> I have a question about firefox in hoary: when I try to save a file, firefox doesn't do it.
[06:29] <tux> All seems OK but when I try to find the saved file, I can't find it.
[06:29] <kain> tux, known issue
[06:30] <NeverTheLess> just installed the Hoary preview on ppc system
[06:30] <tux> kain: you mean it is a bug
[06:30] <kain> yes tux
[06:30] <PacoBCN> never mind, fixed it unchecking UTC
[06:30] <kain> as said before there's alreay a bugzilla entry for this
[06:30] <PacoBCN> weird
[06:30] <PacoBCN> :S
[06:30] <deFrysk> tux, try look in Destop or in my downloads
[06:31] <PacoBCN> I was late during 2 days
[06:31] <deFrysk> *Desktop
[06:31] <PacoBCN> :(
[06:31] <NeverTheLess> tritium, what do you mean with linux headers?
[06:31] <kain> deFrysk, issue is another, when saving a file download windows doesn't show up and no file will be downloaded
[06:31] <tritium> NeverTheLess, Hoary has linux-wlan-ng.  linux-headers package will allow you to compile kernel modules.
[06:32] <deFrysk> kain, oh ?
[06:32] <kain> deFrysk, it happens on hoary with firefox 1.0.1
[06:32] <NeverTheLess> tritium, do you mind explaing a bit more detailed? :)
[06:32] <deFrysk> kain, checking...
[06:32] <tritium> NeverTheLess, have you apt-get installed linux-wlan-ng?
[06:32] <kain> k
[06:33] <Niomi> meow.
[06:33] <Niomi> hello all
[06:33] <kain> deFrysk, first time it works, then suddendly stops, if you care to delete your profile it starting working again and then stops again
[06:33] <NeverTheLess> tritium, only problem is that I dont have a regular internet connection. I only have a wlan usb adapter, which isnt working
[06:33] <tritium> NeverTheLess, oh, I see...
[06:35] <phas> Hi, i have a BIG problem with gstreamer-based media player. Simply they don't work.When I try to play a mp3, ogg, avi, mpg or everithyng else, they say that cannot read the file.Xine-based players work regulary.
[06:36] <NeverTheLess> tritium, I only have access to a wireless connection. So I guess I have to download it on another system and compile the thing?
[06:36] <deFrysk> kain, works fine here :s
[06:36] <tritium> NeverTheLess, yeah
[06:36] <thoreauputic> phas: have you installed gstreamer0.8-mad?
[06:36] <kain> as said, this happens sometimes
[06:36] <deFrysk> kain, ok
[06:37] <deFrysk> kain, the bug has been reported ?
[06:37] <kain> deFrysk, yes
[06:37] <NeverTheLess> tritium, what is the linux source directory?
[06:37] <deFrysk> kain, cool
[06:37] <deFrysk> NeverTheLess, /usr/src
[06:37] <phas> thoreauputic: yep!
[06:37] <kotatsu> what's the best way to convert avi and ogg video files to mpeg? the oggs are theora, no idea on the avi files
[06:37] <tritium> NeverTheLess, you'll need to download that too
[06:37] <kotatsu> I'm pretty much a video newb =)
[06:37] <phas> thor: i installed every gstreamer plugin
[06:38] <NeverTheLess> tritium, the linux source? and do what?
[06:38] <reon> I need to find out how to get w32codecs on AMD64, any ideas people ?
[06:38] <tritium> NeverTheLess, linux-headers should be all you need
[06:38] <thoreauputic> phas: OK - just trying to cover the obvious stuff :)
[06:38] <gangalino> mount: /dev/sg0 is not a block device -how can I fix this?
[06:39] <phas> thor :)
[06:39] <phas> but I really don't know what to think now :|
[06:39] <tritium> NeverTheLess, I can't step you through it.  I don't have it installed, and haven't done it.
[06:39] <avcarrilet> hey
[06:39] <NeverTheLess> tritium, where can i find that?
[06:40] <tritium> NeverTheLess, if you don't have internet access, you'll have to get it from another machine off of archive.ubuntu.com
[06:40] <thoreauputic> phas: gst-register-0.8  perhaps  (the command)
[06:41] <kain> goodbye everyone, see you soon
[06:41] <thoreauputic> phas: registers plugins
[06:41] <tritium> NeverTheLess, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.10/
[06:41] <NeverTheLess> tritium, so it is not installed by default? I do have a internet connection, but it is on macos x, so I would have to do a reboot every time I need some new files, and transfer them with a usb
[06:41] <phas> thor: done, it registers plugins but don't work
[06:41] <tritium> NeverTheLess, no, the source is not installed by default
[06:42] <deFrysk> phas on warty ?
[06:42] <phas> defrysk: yep
[06:42] <deFrysk> phas, try totem-xine
[06:42] <phas> defrysk: it works
[06:43] <deFrysk> ok
[06:43] <phas> defrysk: but HOW gstreamer don't work!!
[06:43] <phas> ehm why
[06:43] <phas> :P
[06:43] <deFrysk> phas, in gstreamer there is still room for improvement i think
[06:44] <deFrysk> In warty I always used totem-xine
[06:44] <deFrysk> gstreamer works much better in hoary
[06:44] <tritium> NeverTheLess, like I said, you should be able to compile it with linux-headers that match your kernel version
[06:44] <NeverTheLess> tritium, how do I install the linux headers?
[06:45] <phas> deFrysk: Finally resolved
[06:45] <phas> !!!
[06:45] <deFrysk> phas, col :)
[06:45] <tritium> NeverTheLess, did you see the URL I sent you above?
[06:45] <thoreauputic> deFrysk: mp3 and ogg certainly should work in warty
[06:45] <deFrysk> *cool
[06:45] <deFrysk> thoreauputic, yes
[06:45] <phas> it was needed to set the audio-output for gstreamer to ALSA
[06:45] <NeverTheLess> tritium, yes. I got the file I need. (linux-headers-2.6.10-5_2.6.10-28_powerpc.deb)
[06:45] <kensai> Kubuntu is useless as ubuntu runs better when you install kde by yourself I'm now in kde 3.4 with Composites and it runs better than kubuntu
[06:45] <thoreauputic> phas: aha
[06:46] <deFrysk> kensai, how true :D
[06:46] <deFrysk> phas, ooh :)
[06:46] <thoreauputic> kensai: kubuntu is still a young project :)
[06:46] <phas> hey, how i was supposed to know this?
[06:47] <tritium> NeverTheLess, great.  dpkg -i will install it
[06:47] <deFrysk> phas, in hoary i have to set stuff to esd
[06:47] <andreiz> hello guyz. please tell me an app to manage fonts in gnome for ubuntu. i've tried the ttmkfontdir trick but seg faults
[06:47] <deFrysk> phas, keep it in mind :)
[06:47] <tritium> NeverTheLess, (pass the package name too)
[06:47] <kensai> I am getting great FPS with composites enebled in kde 3.4
[06:47] <ssam> yay i got drop shadows working in gnome :-)
[06:47] <phas> i didn't even know about this freaking gstreamer-properties
[06:47] <thoreauputic> phas: it's odd - the gstreamer stuff was set right by default in my warty
[06:47] <kensai> I love mi nvidia based card
[06:47] <NeverTheLess> tritiu, should I install the linux-source too? if so, which one?
[06:48] <CellarDoor> oooeer I lurve my nvidia too
[06:48] <aracataca> hi everyone
[06:48] <CellarDoor> hello room
[06:48] <deFrysk> my old tnt is not working in hoary :(
[06:48] <kensai> deFrysk, thats bad
[06:48] <tritium> phas, System->Preferences->Multimedia Systems Selector
[06:49] <CellarDoor> hehe
[06:49] <CellarDoor> greetings Montagh
[06:49] <deFrysk> kensai, old card declared obsolete by nvidia camouflaged as a bug
[06:49] <Montagh> hoi
[06:49] <aracataca> i need to execute a java-based application in firefox, but i get an error, saying something about x-java-vm   - i guess i need the java-plugin
[06:49] <NeverTheLess> tritium, should I install the linux-source too? if so, which one?
[06:49] <tritium> andreiz, there's a font preferences too
[06:49] <tritium> NeverTheLess, no
[06:49] <aracataca> could anyone tell the appropriate command to get it?
[06:50] <deFrysk> aracataca, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:50] <aracataca> allright
[06:51] <deFrysk> koffie
[06:51] <stuNNed> bah, it is the suck that we have to support these _RestrictedFormats_ :(
[06:52] <CellarDoor> If Sun open sourced Java then everyone would be happy... except maybe Sun
[06:53] <deFrysk> stuNNed, its great its well documented :)
[06:53] <miausX> hehehe :)
[06:53] <aracataca> i don't like these formats too, but there is one tool on a site i need
[06:53] <deFrysk> documentation on ubuntu is the best (next to gentoo)
[06:54] <deFrysk> CellarDoor, sun would be declared saint , and all saint are dead ;p
[06:54] <superted> im trying to install perlmagick, but it says that it depends on libmagick6 (= 5:6.0.2.5-1ubuntu1) but 5:6.0.2.5-1ubuntu1.4 is to be installed. since when did it hurt if the installation version was higher?
[06:55] <deFrysk> saints
[06:55] <CellarDoor> I find Apples behaviour with quicktime more annoying though
[06:55] <CellarDoor> at least its not hard to install java
[06:55] <phas> ok, now I have another big problem. I mount my windows partition with sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/win1 but i cannot access it unless i'm root, and i cannot allow other account to acess it beacause it is a read-only partition.
[06:55] <phas> (the partition is in NTFS)
[06:56] <CellarDoor> ntfs is evil
[06:56] <tritium> phas, did you notice that gstreamer-properties _is_ in the menu?
[06:56] <deFrysk> add users to the line in fstab
[06:57] <deFrysk> or was it user ?
[06:57] <phas> Cellar: i know but what can i do?
[06:57] <zenrox> phas read www.ubuntuguide.org for mounting ntfs note: you cant write to ntfs with linux
[06:57] <thoreauputic> deFrysk: either, user allows the same user to umount, users allows anyone to umount
[06:58] <phas> zen: thx (note: yeah i know, microsoft didn't release specifications)
[06:58] <zenrox> phas,  to bad tho
[06:58] <sysrq> you can write to ntfs in linux, it just isn't very safe
[06:58] <zenrox> or its slow
[06:59] <thoreauputic> sysrq: that's an understatement :)
[06:59] <deFrysk> when he still had windows
[06:59] <zenrox> all of my partions are now ext3
[06:59] <tritium> phas, did you see my messages?
[07:00] <da5id> zenrox: no swap?
[07:00] <blueturtle> why is it dangerous? can it result in memory loss?
[07:01] <zenrox> da5id, ya i have swap its just 1/2 of my ram
[07:01] <tritium> yes, and nausea
[07:01] <thoreauputic> blueturtle: it can corrupt the filesystem
[07:01] <Jesterace> hmm
[07:01] <blueturtle> hmm
[07:01] <Jesterace> running kernel-2.6.10-5-k7
[07:01] <blueturtle> the ntfs filesystem
[07:01] <blueturtle> rather than ext3
[07:01] <blueturtle> ?
[07:01] <Jesterace> and my system thinks is 2.6.10-4-k6
[07:01] <zenrox> Jesterace, reboot
[07:02] <Jesterace> zenrox, i have
[07:02] <thoreauputic> blueturtle: well, since you are writing to ntfs, it would stuff ntfs, wouldn't it?
[07:02] <Jesterace> guess this is my first blurp with hoary
[07:02] <blueturtle> maybe, maybe not
[07:02] <Jesterace> 30 gigs isn't fun
[07:02] <Jesterace> heh
[07:02] <zenrox> specily on a 100mbs network
[07:03] <Jesterace> exactly
[07:03] <tritium> Jesterace, uname -r reports 2.6.10-5-k7 ?
[07:03] <zenrox> lol
[07:03] <Jesterace> tritium, yeah
[07:03] <deFrysk> then k7 it is
[07:03] <thoreauputic> blueturtle: bit hard to see how writing *from* ext3 to another filesystem can affect ext3
[07:03] <tritium> so what do you mean your system things it's  2.6.10-4-k6 ?
[07:03] <Jesterace> but when i try to recompile the alsa drivers it keeps searching for 2.6.10-4-k7 headers
[07:04] <McClane> lads i'm having trouble with Enemy territory, basically i want to do the usual "echo et.x86 .." stuff that u must do with all q3 based games but i don't know where to stick the commands in ubuntu :-/
[07:05] <NeverTheLess> tritium, would it be a solution for me to install a precompiled debian package. Can I avoid the linux header thing then? whats the difference?
[07:05] <blueturtle> thoreauputic: opening up filestreams, reading from, and leaving them hang isn't a very good idea either
[07:05] <tritium> NeverTheLess, the debian module package won't work with an ubuntu kernel.
[07:06] <blueturtle> all i'm saying is, you can't rule out corruption of a file when a transfer botchs
[07:08] <McClane> lads i'm having trouble with Enemy territory, basically i want to do the usual "echo et.x86 .." stuff that u must do with all q3 based games but i don't know where to stick the commands in ubuntu :-/
[07:10] <zenrox> nerolinux ROCKS
[07:11] <natham> i got an error with apt-get
[07:11] <natham> Package libgtk1 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[07:11] <natham> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[07:11] <natham> is only available from another source
[07:11] <natham> E: Package libgtk1 has no installation candidate
[07:11] <streetbmx> has anyone had totem problems from the preview  release?
[07:12] <streetbmx> all the controlls are busted
[07:12] <mince> Bgtgcq: SPAMMER!
[07:13] <natham> somebodie can help me?
[07:13] <streetbmx> natham: try libgtk1.2 or libgtk2.0
[07:13] <thoreauputic> natham: what are you installing? And do you have the universe repository ?
[07:13] <natham> ok
[07:13] <Seveas> and also libgtk1.2-common
[07:14] <natham> thoreauputic, im trying to install xmms
[07:14] <streetbmx> well thats a dep for the first so it should install by its self
[07:14] <natham> i remove the the universe repositori
[07:14] <Seveas> natham, hoary or warty?
[07:14] <natham> warty
[07:14] <Seveas> natham, you need universe for that
[07:14] <NeverTheLess> tritium, I just found this "To build linux-wlan-ng you will need:
[07:14] <thoreauputic> natham: why did you remove iniverse??
[07:14] <NeverTheLess>    - Configured kernel source code for the kernel you are running.
[07:14] <NeverTheLess>      Ideally, this will be the resulting tree after building your own " Do you know wich kernel I would need to download? there are so many linux-source files in the link you gave me.
[07:14] <Myrtti> uulalaa what a lag
[07:15] <streetbmx> damn i hate xmms
[07:15] <natham> becouse i cant install xmms, then i try removing it
[07:15] <natham> because*
[07:15] <Seveas> NeverTheLess: apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[07:15] <streetbmx> anone know the deal with totem controls being broken?
[07:15] <natham> como sea
[07:15] <tritium> NeverTheLess, what does uname -r tell you?
[07:16] <natham> streetbmx, suggest mi another one?
[07:16] <streetbmx> ?
[07:16] <natham> damn
[07:16] <streetbmx> another music player?
[07:16] <natham> yes
[07:16] <streetbmx> rhythmbox or muine
[07:16] <natham> rhythmbox dont work
[07:16] <Seveas> natham: beep
[07:16] <natham> ok
[07:16] <Seveas> beep-media-player in apt
[07:17] <tritium> rhythmbox works
[07:17] <streetbmx> gotta install gstreamer mad to play mp3s if thats what you mean
[07:17] <zenrox> how come certion icons wont load in hoary?? thay keep telling me icon not found but i just got done slecting it
[07:17] <natham> i want ogg
[07:17] <omniwork> Seveas: i thought you said beer-media-player for a second there :)
[07:17] <Seveas> lol omniwork
[07:17] <Seveas> apt-get install beer
[07:17] <Seveas> :D
[07:17] <streetbmx> ya
[07:17] <omniwork> cd /pub; more beer
[07:18] <Seveas> :)
[07:18] <zenrox> no its /home/pub
[07:18] <thoreauputic> dpkg-reconfigure brain
[07:18] <Seveas> :)
[07:18] <zenrox> lol
[07:18] <Seveas> apt-cache remove --purge work
[07:18] <NeverTheLess> tritium, I would have to reboot and boot into ubuntulinux to find that out.
[07:18] <Seveas> apt-get*
[07:18] <da5id> apt-get install beer
[07:19] <zenrox> apt-get install beer@/home/pub
[07:19] <thoreauputic> apt-get install aspirin :)
[07:19] <streetbmx> heh
[07:19] <tritium> NeverTheLess, okay, well, as I've said before, the -headers should work.  You should not need the full-blown sources.
[07:19] <tritium> NeverTheLess, just make sure that it matches your kernel version exactly
[07:19] <glguy> i wanted to upgrade to hoary.... so i just changed warty to hoary in the synaptic package manager... was that the correct way?
[07:19] <streetbmx> apt-cache search ladies
[07:19] <zenrox> lol
[07:20] <Seveas> glguy, yes that is the correct way
[07:20] <natham> mmm
[07:20] <Seveas> you're just an apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade away from hoary
[07:20] <glguy> Seveas: actually, i clicked the Reload, Upgrade, Apply buttons
[07:20] <NeverTheLess> tritium, ok. thanks. i will try to install the linux-headers (using this file: linux-headers-2.6.10-5_2.6.10-28_powerpc.deb) I can only assume that it is correct. How can I check this before I do anything?
[07:21] <Seveas> glguy, should work too :)
[07:21] <tritium> NeverTheLess, uname -r
[07:21] <natham> whit my sata hd works very slow?
[07:21] <glguy> Seveas: and now I'm done with the download :) 2meg/sec
[07:21] <NeverTheLess> tritium, ok. thanks
[07:21] <streetbmx> has anyone used reiser4 on ubuntu?
[07:21] <Seveas> not too bad
[07:21] <tritium> NeverTheLess, sure.
[07:22] <natham> ok
[07:22] <omniwork> hey folks. i'm feeling risky and want to upgrade warty to the latest beta of hoary, is it just a matter of updating /etc/apt/sources.conf and apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[07:23] <KING^^^> hello , how can i install my ATI video card ?
[07:23] <Seveas> omniwork, yes
[07:23] <zenrox> omniwork,  ya that will work
[07:23] <glguy> Seveas: lol... looks like I'm not the first to come in asking that
[07:23] <thoreauputic> omniwork: /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:23] <KING^^^> apt-get install xfree86-driver-fglrx doesn't work
[07:23] <zenrox> omniwork, and you should have to many probs
[07:23] <omniwork> how does that handle the xfree --> xorg transition?
[07:23] <Seveas> KING^^^, check the wiki, search for ati
[07:23] <omniwork> zenrox: you mean shouldn't i hope? heh
[07:23] <jon1012> hi everybody :)
[07:23] <KING^^^> Seveas: i have searched
[07:23] <zenrox> omniwork,  ya
[07:23] <daniels> omniwork: the ubuntu-desktop package, if installed, ensures a smooth transition with stuff like that
[07:23] <zenrox> lol
[07:23] <KING^^^> but it doesn't work
[07:24] <Seveas> omniwork, after a reboot all should work (but things can go wrong of course)
[07:24] <fr500> omniwork, 3 tries none have worked for me
[07:24] <streetbmx> KING^^^: are you runnin xfree?
[07:24] <KING^^^> yes
[07:24] <KING^^^> i think
[07:24] <fr500> xorg replacing xfree has been the prob i think
[07:24] <Seveas> KING^^^, sorry, ati is the hardest to configure, you might try searching the forums
[07:24] <natham> wee i got xmms
[07:24] <natham> jejeje
[07:24] <streetbmx> you think?, warty or hoary?
[07:24] <omniwork> KING^^^: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:25] <KING^^^> omniwork: i know , from there i have installed
[07:25] <KING^^^> E: Couldn't find package xfree86-driver-fglrx
[07:25] <zenrox> KING^^^, you need to add some difernt repos
[07:25] <NeverTheLess> tritium, what would be the difference in these two files: "linux-headers-2.6.10-5_2.6.10-28_powerpc.deb" and "linux-headers-2.6.10-5-powerpc_2.6.10-28_powerpc.deb"
[07:25] <streetbmx> theres a thread in the howtos forum for fglrx
[07:26] <KING^^^> what different repos zenrox ?
[07:26] <xerox> Hi!
[07:26] <zenrox> unuverse
[07:26] <Bubbling_Zombie> llo xerox
[07:26] <zenrox> and mabe marlette
[07:26] <zenrox> universe
[07:26] <Bubbling_Zombie> universe will do fine me thinks
[07:26] <xerox> Do you know where I can find .deb of Emacs CVS, for ubuntu? I *really* need it :!
[07:27] <KING^^^> i have universe zenrox
[07:27] <farruinn> xerox: .deb of cvs? Why would that be available?
[07:27] <streetbmx> if it possible to disable fb without recompiling the kernel?
[07:27] <Seveas> xerox, hoary repos, debian incoming repos, emacs site, apt-get.org
[07:27] <Seveas> if it isn't there: bad luck
[07:27] <farruinn> xerox: the cvs source might be debianized already, you could just check out the source and build it with dpkg-buildpackage
[07:27] <xerox> Seveas: eheh, I try.
[07:27] <xerox> farruinn: can you explain to me how? Or point me to something.
[07:28] <fr500> how do i start gnome from a command line?
[07:29] <fr500> i'm on failsafe terminal
[07:29] <Seveas> startx
[07:29] <Bubbling_Zombie> or gdm
[07:29] <NeverTheLess> tritium, the files looks like the same to me. only that one of them is 250kb and the other 5mb!!
[07:30] <tritium> NeverTheLess, I was away, sorry.
[07:30] <thoreauputic> fr500: if X is running, type gnome-session
[07:30] <GarySaved> Does anyone know if it is possible to get ubuntu to access a dialup modem?
[07:30] <tritium> NeverTheLess, looks like the smaller one simply depends on the larger one.
[07:30] <fr500> thoreauputic, it worked
[07:30] <fr500> thanks
[07:30] <jason> anyone know what the best address book is for linux? I want something simple that possibly reminds me of birthdays and is a standard format.
[07:30] <thoreauputic> GarySaved: of course
[07:30] <tritium> NeverTheLess, grab the bigger one
[07:31] <GarySaved> We have looked everywhere.  Where do we start?
[07:31] <Myrtti> jason: define standard format
[07:31] <Seveas> jason, there is not really a 'standard format' except vcf stuff
[07:31] <Seveas> I suggest you go with evolution, it is nicley integrated with the desktop
[07:31] <xerox> farruinn: I'm cvs-checkouting the sources.
[07:31] <thoreauputic> GarySaved: I can walk you through it in pm if you wish
[07:31] <jason> Myrtti: something that is compatible with other adress books or will not become obsolite
[07:32] <GarySaved> thoreauputic, Do you have yahoo?
[07:32] <Myrtti> I'm not sure if Thunderbird + Sunbird has that implemented yet
[07:32] <Seveas> jason, almost all addresbooks (including Evo) can export/import vcf
[07:32] <thoreauputic> GarySaved: no yahoo, no
[07:32] <drspin> when I logout of my X session, GDM doesn't return to it's reolution (i.e. the image is clipped) I have an Nvidia GeForce4 MX420 using NvAGP (also tried AGPGART and sisAGP)
[07:32] <jazzka> hi!
[07:32] <jason> ok thanks Seveas, I'll check it out.
[07:33] <Seveas> hi!
[07:33] <jazzka> Take a screenshot is so important that is placed on "Computer" menu?
[07:33] <jazzka> I just cant underestand
[07:33] <drspin> anyone?
[07:33] <KING^^^> how can i make my volume control to work ?
[07:33] <Seveas> jazzka, what don't you understand?
[07:34] <Ad|Astra> hi all
[07:34] <Seveas> hi Ad|Astra
[07:34] <jazzka> Seveas, the menu should be as smaller as possible
[07:35] <blueturtle> jason, keep an eye out for SyncML. It's not really standard yet, but it will probably replace iCalendar, vCalendar etc
[07:35] <da5id> what sound demon are you using @KING^^^
[07:35] <blueturtle> anyway, Microsoft Outlook, Mozilla Sunbird can both import/ export iCalendar files
[07:35] <Seveas> jazzka, taking screenshots is a very often requested thing, so to the common user it is important enough to be there
[07:35] <KING^^^> don't know
[07:35] <jason> thank you blueturtle
[07:35] <jazzka> Seveas, in that case, I agree ;)
[07:36] <da5id> are you running gnome? hoary or warty? @KING^^^
[07:36] <KING^^^> warty
[07:36] <blueturtle> jason if you want an example of one of these iCalendar files, just send an MS Outlook   Meeting Request to a normal email client, like gmail or something, and you'll see that meeting requests are just simple emails with an iCalendar (.ics) attachment
[07:37] <keyhack> Ok, second question, is there a way to have my laptop screen act as one monitor, and a hooked up CRT act as a separate desktop? (I dont want my screen on the laptop to be on the monitor, I  want it to be a separate one all together)
[07:38] <tritium> keyhack, depends on your video hardware
[07:38] <KING^^^> so ... da5id ?
[07:38] <da5id> does ps -A | grep -i "esd" show something?
[07:38] <da5id> yes?
[07:39] <Seveas> keyhack, there usually is (indeed depends on the hardware), but you have to manually edit you X configuration
[07:39] <KING^^^> yes da5id
[07:39] <Seveas> keyhack, search on the wiki/forums for an X configuration manual
[07:40] <da5id> ok the number is the process and it means you are running esd - the enlightenment sound demon used by gnome (before 2.10/hoary)
[07:41] <KING^^^> so how i make it to work ?
[07:41] <da5id> can you describe your volume problem? is there no sound at all? or is it just impossible to adjust the volume?
[07:41] <KING^^^> i have sound , but i can't adjust it
[07:41] <spiral> hi
[07:42] <KING^^^> just this, nothing more
[07:42] <da5id> is there a little icon on some panel?
[07:42] <xerox> Seveas: can you point me to "debian incoming repos" (it's the only place I can't find, in which I didn't look)
[07:42] <KING^^^> yes up next to date
[07:42] <KING^^^> from there i want to adjust
[07:42] <KING^^^> volume control
[07:42] <drspin> how can I change GDM's resolution?
[07:43] <da5id> what happens if you try to adjust the volume using volume control?
[07:43] <KING^^^> drspin: edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[07:44] <KING^^^> i can't move it
[07:44] <KING^^^> the volume control
[07:44] <da5id> can you access the settings dialog - when you rightclick on volume control?
[07:44] <KING^^^> no device
[07:44] <KING^^^> nope
[07:46] <da5id> what's the output of less ~/.gnome2/gnome-volume-control
[07:48] <TPC> hello. I'm trying to install kde in hoary, but it complains that there is a dependency for libkcal2, but it can't find a package called libkcal2. it doesn
[07:48] <jazzka> does fullscreenmode exist in ubuntus's VNC ?
[07:48] <TPC> it doesn't show up with apt-cache search
[07:48] <TPC> jazzka, vncviewer -fullscreen
[07:48] <jazzka> TPC, oh thanks!
[07:49] <TPC> but on another machine with the same sources.list libkcal2 shows up in apt-cache search
[07:49] <TPC> what could be wrong?
[07:50] <Seveas> TPC, run apt-get update on both machines
[07:51] <jazzka> is there any way in Hoary to see my hardware? (for domestic users)
[07:51] <TPC> Seveas, I have
[07:51] <da5id> KING^^^ it seems to me, that your gnome-volume-control applet is not configured to use a device (i. e. OSS device or Alsa device)
[07:51] <TPC> Seveas, it still only finds it on one fo them
[07:51] <TPC> of*
[07:52] <Seveas> have you had more sourcess in your sources.list on the machine where you can find it?
[07:52] <Seveas> and are you sure there are no spelling errors?
[07:52] <casimir> jazzka, hal-device-manager
[07:52] <TPC> the sources.list files are identical, I copied it from the first machine (where it finds libkcal) ot the other
[07:52] <Seveas> odd
[07:52] <Seveas> it is in universe
[07:53] <TPC> on the machine where I can't find libkcal2 i still see libkcal2-dev
[07:54] <goxy> after install intel 536ep i cant start hamregistry any sugesstionss
[07:54] <goxy> "
[07:55] <kain> Configuro powernowd (0.90-3ubuntu11) ...
[07:55] <kain> /usr/share/powernowd/cpufreq-detect.sh: line 40: We're: command not found
[07:55] <kain> an upgrade few minutes ago
[07:55] <goxy> help me make install for intel 536ep not works
[07:56] <daniels> kain: thanks, I'll fix it
[07:56] <kain> np daniels, thanks
[07:56] <wfx> is the horay ready to use?
[07:56] <kain> wfx, as far I can see, yes
[07:56] <EeYoRe> hello all i need some help please
[07:56] <wfx> hoary :) oh thx
[07:56] <da5id> @KING^^^?
[07:57] <goxy> help me make install for intel 536ep not works help me
[07:57] <p88> hi all
[07:57] <p88> I have ordered a cd from ubuntu
[07:57] <andreiz_> hi. i've installed some ttf fonts in gnome. now firefox loads as default one of the newly installed fonts (wich is big and unreadable). very strange. can anyone help me ?
[07:57] <p88> I heard nice things about it so I ordered it
[07:57] <EeYoRe> i need to know if i have linux live or the instalation cd please
[07:57] <wfx> kain, thx so i must only chane warty to hoary then apt-get update and upgrade or distribution update
[07:58] <daniels> kain: fixed version just uploaded; it'll hit the archive in a bit
[07:58] <kain> thanks daniels
[07:58] <kain> wfx, there's a guide on ubuntu wiki how to upgrade to hoary
[07:58] <wfx> thx
[07:58] <wfx> i read it
[07:59] <EeYoRe> i need to know if i have linux live or the instalation cd please
[07:59] <EeYoRe> can anyone help
[07:59] <EeYoRe> please?
[07:59] <kain> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes/view?searchterm=upgrade%20hoary
[07:59] <kain> here we ago wfx
[07:59] <wfx> :)
[08:01] <HavoK> hi there; i've a problem
[08:01] <HavoK> configure: error: Library requirements (gtk-sharp glade-sharp gecko-sharp = 0.6 gnome-sharp dbus-sharp >= 0.23.1 gconf-sharp gmime-sharp >= 2.1.11) not met; consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your libraries are in a nonstandard prefix so pkg-config can find them.
[08:01] <HavoK> but I'm pretty sure to have the last version of those packages
[08:02] <wfx> hmmm, 429MB for this upgrade
[08:02] <KING^^^> da5id: i don't know what u are asking for
[08:02] <Seveas> HavoK, what are you trying to do?
[08:02] <HavoK> should I get those packages from cvs, too?
[08:02] <da5id> can you find a settings dialog when you rightclick on the volume-control icon?
[08:02] <GarySaved> EeYoRe, When you boot an instalation disk, it installs to the hard drive.  THe live one will just go to the desktop.
[08:02] <HavoK> Seveas: I'm trying to compile and build beagle
[08:02] <HavoK> beagled
[08:03] <wfx> is nautilus more stable in hoary
[08:03] <kain> wfx, I found nautilus solid in hoary
[08:03] <Seveas> HavoK, why not use a precompiled one?
[08:03] <DemisM> what bootloader does ubuntu come with?
[08:03] <KING^^^> no device
[08:04] <kain> grub
[08:04] <Bubbling_Zombie> grub
[08:04] <stephans_> can you use ubuntu as a server?
[08:04] <Bubbling_Zombie> yes
[08:04] <stephans_> is that advisable
[08:04] <kain> stephans_, sure
[08:04] <Bubbling_Zombie> sure
[08:04] <Seveas> stephans_, of course :)
[08:04] <stephans_> a ddns server/
[08:04] <stephans_> ?
[08:04] <kain> bind?
[08:04] <DemisM> is grub graphical?
[08:04] <omniwork> or if you don't need super-up to date stuff, use debian stable and enable security updates
[08:04] <Seveas> just install bind with ddns :)
[08:04] <kain> DemisM, yes
[08:04] <DemisM> k thx :)
[08:04] <andreiz_> i've installed some ttf fonts in gnome. now firefox loads as default one of the newly installed fonts (wich is big and unreadable). very strange. can anyone help me ?
[08:04] <stephans_> ind yes (9.3)
[08:04] <omniwork> stephans_: you're better off using debian sarge
[08:04] <stephans_> really?
[08:04] <Seveas> omniwork, thats bullshit
[08:05] <stephans_> whatbins does it use?
[08:05] <wfx> i leave , have all a good day.
[08:05] <da5id> what happens if you try to run alsamixer from the commandline?
[08:05] <kain> bye wfx
[08:05] <HavoK> Seveas: checking for gtk-sharp glade-sharp gecko-sharp = 0.6 gnome-sharp dbus-sharp >= 0.23.1 gconf-sharp gmime-sharp >= 2.1.11... Requested 'dbus-sharp >= 0.23.1' but version of DBus is 0.23
[08:05] <stephans_> version... 9.*
[08:05] <stephans_> ?
[08:05] <daniels> HavoK: yes, this will be updated within about 24 hours; i have the update prepared, but it has to wait until the array 7 release has happened
[08:05] <GarySaved> I tried for months to get Debian to do everything, and could not.  I got ubuntu to do it all in two days!
[08:06] <omniwork> Seveas: not really. you don't need a full blown desktop oriented distro for dns
[08:06] <Seveas> stephans_, yes bind9
[08:06] <Seveas> omniwork, then don't install the gui stuff
[08:06] <HavoK> daniels: wow, ok
[08:06] <HavoK> thanks all
[08:06] <OC_Doppelganger> I just wish it would do 802.1x iwth me ibool
[08:06] <OC_Doppelganger> ibook
[08:06] <Seveas> omniwork, you can simply install only the basic stuff and the servers
[08:06] <kain> stephans_, in hoary bind is 9.2.4-1
[08:06] <stephans_> ok
[08:07] <omniwork> Seveas: .. don't install? how do you propose that if you use the ubuntu installer cd?
[08:07] <omniwork> even in expert mode i don't think i saw the option
[08:07] <stephans_> has any one tied to use bind as a dns server on a network with active directory
[08:07] <stephans_> >
[08:07] <thoreauputic> OC_Doppelganger: complain to broadcom :/
[08:07] <stephans_> ?
[08:07] <Seveas> omniwork, and ubuntu is not desktop oriented, it just gives you a very good desktop if you want
[08:07] <omniwork> it's more work to make ubuntu a server than it is to just use debian sarge and be done with it
[08:07] <Seveas> omniwork, look better, there definitely is one....
[08:07] <Seveas> omniwork, stop talking crap and look better when installing
[08:08] <omniwork> use the right tool for the job
[08:08] <omniwork> every problem isn't a nail, and every tool isn't a hammer *sigh*
[08:08] <daniels> omniwork: boot with 'server' on hoary, or 'custom' on warty; that doesn't install gnome, x, or any of the stuff people typically don't use on servers
[08:08] <da5id> can you open a terminal window KING^^^?
[08:08] <raydogg> when i install mysql, it only listens on local sockets, it doesn't listen on tcp/ip, hwo do i turn this on ?
[08:08] <Seveas> thank you daniels :)
[08:08] <da5id> what happens if you type alsamixer <enter>?
[08:09] <IrcUsr> i'm interested in the logistics of new versions. can you upgrade in one go from one version to another online?
[08:09] <kain> raydogg, if I'm not wrong you must edit your my.cnf and edit use_networking setting
[08:09] <kain> or decomment it
[08:09] <omniwork> daniels: so you're telling me i have to do something EXTRA to make it a server, when i have to do NOTHING extra to make debian sarge a server. thanks for proving my point
[08:09] <Seveas> IrcUsr, yes
[08:09] <KING^^^> da5id: i have done it , thx , but if u can help me with installing my ATI video card ... :)
[08:09] <raydogg> thanks kain
[08:09] <Seveas> omniwork, soooo much crap, typing one word is too much for you...
[08:09] <Seveas> go with sarge if you want
[08:09] <farruinn> omniwork: ubuntu provides a different product really
[08:10] <IrcUsr> Seveas: thanks, you see i'm using gentoo at the moment and i think debian might have the same problem that i have to spend time upgrading things piecemeal, so ubuntu seemed like a good choice
[08:10] <Seveas> but stop talking crap
[08:10] <da5id> your volume control works now?
[08:10] <KING^^^> yes da5id
[08:10] <da5id> great
[08:10] <daniels> omniwork: i'm not trying to force your decision, just making sure you know all the options
[08:10] <Seveas> IrcUsr, there is a lot of effort going on to make these transitions very easy
[08:10] <da5id> :)
[08:10] <daniels> but, in general, let's all try to be a little less hostile, please
[08:10] <da5id> what that ATI card of yours?
[08:10] <KING^^^> ATI video card
[08:11] <da5id> model?
[08:11] <kain> raydogg, the right option is to comment out skip-networking
[08:11] <kain> raydogg, comment it and you will have tcp networking in your mysql
[08:11] <IrcUsr> can i see a list of the packages available anywhere, i couldn't find it on the website
[08:11] <KING^^^> ATI 9200 SE
[08:11] <omniwork> farruinn: there's nothing wrong with being a good desktop distro. it's a lot harder than being a good server distro. but i hate it when people try and make good desktop distros server distros *shrug*
[08:12] <kain> raydogg, sorry for pointing out wrong use_networking but I forgot the right option
[08:12] <Seveas> IrcUsr, http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
[08:12] <omniwork> their goals are not the same
[08:12] <da5id> whats not working?
[08:12] <Seveas> omniwork, please listen to what is being said.....
[08:12] <farruinn> omniwork: I'm glad we agree =)
[08:12] <KING^^^> i can't install it
[08:13] <da5id> what does the gnome-device manager tell you about the video device?
[08:13] <drspin> why can I burn with k3b and not with nautilus?
[08:14] <drspin> nautilus tells me that it can't find a blank CD
[08:15] <jk> drspin: do you have the latest updates? i can remember such a bug from the beginning of warty
[08:15] <drspin> jk -- I'm using Hoary on this system -- and yes always the latest updates
[08:15] <farruinn> is gaim supposed to quit when the "notification" applet quits?  it's very annoying :/
[08:16] <drspin> farruinn: what version of Gaim R U using?
[08:16] <da5id> you obviously have an xserver running, so your device is somehow supported, but I guess, you want some generic drivers for the ATI card to use stuff like 3D accelleration?
[08:16] <farruinn> drspin: hoary latest
[08:16] <Seveas> farruinn, it is, if you don't want the applet then disable it
[08:17] <drspin> farruinn: not sure -- join #gaim and ask if there are any known bugs about that
[08:17] <KING^^^> how can i see that da5id ?
[08:17] <farruinn> good ideas, thanks
[08:17] <raydogg> kain, its all good, working fine, thanks :-)
[08:18] <kain> raydogg, glad
[08:18] <da5id> the device manager is in the System menu of gnome
[08:18] <OC_Doppelganger> thoreauputic: this is not airport extreme, just regular airport that works with ubuntu fine for reg wifi, only xsupplicant cant make the card change keys needed for WPA modes
[08:18] <Seveas> OC_Doppelganger, xsupplicant does not do WPA
[08:19] <OC_Doppelganger> well, 802.1x EAP TTLS with PAP to be specitic
[08:19] <Seveas> ah ok
[08:19] <KING^^^> don't know were da5id
[08:19] <Seveas> that is VERY different
[08:19] <da5id> it should tell you what kind of driver is installed when you click on the device and look up the info in the "Advanced Tab"
[08:19] <kain> see ya
[08:19] <Seveas> OC_Doppelganger, usually it helps to set essid correctly and key to 0000000000 and enc to open before starting xsupplicant
[08:19] <OC_Doppelganger> I think the orinoc drivers may be out of date
[08:20] <Seveas> i need to do that too for my atheros and ndiswrapper (broadcom) based cards
[08:20] <OC_Doppelganger> interesting
[08:20] <da5id> there is also a howto for 3D acceleration of ATI 9200 SE at http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&forumid=18&threadid=297228
[08:20] <woodwizzle> I'm unable to install nautilus-media from the hoary universe :(
[08:20] <da5id> perhaps that helps?
[08:20] <Seveas> also: don't use xsupplicant cvs, but the ones provided by ubuntu
[08:21] <woodwizzle> it says: nautilus-media:
[08:21] <woodwizzle>  Depends: libnautilus2-2 (>=2.7.1) but it is not installable
[08:21] <OC_Doppelganger> Seveas: are you using xsupplicant in warty or hoary?
[08:21] <Seveas> warty
[08:21] <Seveas> and also 802.1x TTLS with PAP
[08:23] <OC_Doppelganger> Seveas: oh wow I really need to get some help here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=17009
[08:23] <OC_Doppelganger> Seveas: can you post some example config files and scripts?
[08:24] <Seveas> OC_Doppelganger, sure, hang on
[08:24] <OC_Doppelganger> Seveas: thank you thank you!
[08:26] <OC_Doppelganger> Sevius: this will help LOTS of ppl as many unversities, hotspots, etc are begining to use this for wifi
[08:26] <OC_Doppelganger> *Seveas
[08:26] <keyhack> Does anyone know of an online resource that shows you how to configure an external monitor (using a laptop here) to act as a second desktop display?
[08:27] <jazzka> hi!
[08:27] <jazzka> Where's the ftp client in ubuntu?
[08:27] <drspin> could someone with SCSI experience tell me why I get a buffer underun error everytime I do something else while burning a CD?
[08:28] <apokryphos> jazzka: there are several. You can use Nautilus, gftp, konqueror etc.
[08:28] <Seveas> OC_Doppelganger, check the last 3 posts on http://pastebin.kaarsemaker.net (I have a nice tool to post to a pastebin from the command line :))
[08:28] <jazzka> ok!
[08:28] <lobezno> hi
[08:28] <lobezno> is there a ubuntu ppc channel?
[08:28] <Seveas> no lobezno, just ask here
[08:29] <lobezno> root@wildbook:/home/alberto # apt-get install pmud
[08:29] <lobezno> Leyendo lista de paquetes... Hecho
[08:29] <lobezno> Creando rbol de dependencias... Hecho
[08:29] <lobezno> Los siguientes paquetes se ELIMINARN:
[08:29] <lobezno>   pbbuttonsd powermanagement-interface ubuntu-desktop
[08:29] <lobezno> If I try to install pmud (power management unit of apple machines) then apt want to remove other packages
[08:29] <Seveas> yes, because the conflict, that's normal lobezno
[08:30] <gratuit> is there any way to configure nautilus so that I can scroll through workspaces using the mouse wheel?
[08:30] <lobezno> yes, but pmud is needed for somegthings
[08:31] <Seveas> lobezno, than you'' have to live without the others...
[08:31] <unkwn> gratuit:  i didn't have to do anything to be able to use the scroll heel on the workspace switcher
[08:32] <unkwn> it just works
[08:32] <OC_Doppelganger> Seveas: ok do you mind if I post this in the forums?
[08:32] <lobezno> Seveas, I dont understand the package ubuntu-desktop
[08:32] <lobezno> what is it for ?
[08:32] <unkwn> i didn't evenk know about it until yesterday
[08:32] <Seveas> OC_Doppelganger of course not, but remember that it's a pastebin so the text will disappear. But feel free to copy
[08:32] <OC_Doppelganger> Seveas thanks again :D
[08:33] <Seveas> lobezno, it is a meta package that just depends on everything installed. Removing it is not bad
[08:33] <unkwn> lobezno:  it's safe to remove ubuntu-desktop
[08:33] <gratuit> unkwn: ah, I just got it, I'm switching over from fluxbox, and was used to just having the cursor over the desktop background and wheeling
[08:33] <Seveas> lobezno, when you upgrade from warty to hoary (or breezy) you should install it again (it will remove pmud, but you can install that on after the upgrade)
[08:33] <unkwn> ahh
[08:33] <unkwn> gotta have it over the workspace
[08:34] <unkwn> :p
[08:34] <gratuit> though the benefit of that type of wheeling seems small, I could just as easily click on a workspace...
[08:34] <unkwn> :/ never used fluxbox
[08:34] <unkwn> actually
[08:34] <lobezno> I installed hoary directly
[08:34] <lobezno> but it depends only on desktop yes?
[08:35] <vince`> i'd love to have the fluxbox-type-switching in gnome too. not just over the pager
[08:35] <EsK> how do i auto-identify
[08:35] <mjr> hmh, would seem overkill to add a bug report about translating a single menu entry ("_Hibernate the computer"), is there a preferred way?
[08:35] <Seveas> EsK, do you mean on freenode irc?
[08:35] <EsK> yeah
[08:35] <farruinn> gratuit: I think if you look in gconf there is actually a setting for that...
[08:36] <Seveas> depends on your client, what do you use?
[08:36] <unkwn> dud you register your name yet?
[08:36] <gratuit> farruinn: any idea where it si?
[08:36] <EsK> yes
[08:37] <dashnu> anyone have any issues or ideas why my r8169 nic will not connect to a 10/100/1000mbps net but can connet to a 10/100mbs network ?
[08:37] <farruinn> gratuit: I can't remember tbh, but if you want to search around look at Applications>System Tools>Configuration Editor
[08:37] <dashnu> same card same pc on gentoo works
[08:37] <Seveas> ESK, which irc client do you use?
[08:37] <EsK> x-chat
[08:38] <Seveas> EsK, go to the menu x-chat -> server list
[08:38] <Seveas> select freenode from the list
[08:38] <Seveas> and put: ns identify your_password in the connect command
[08:39] <Seveas> (replace your_password with your actual password :))
[08:40] <EsK> so when i click FreeNode, i click connect?
[08:40] <dashnu> window close
[08:40] <sri> is there a way to freeze a package so that when you do apt-get dist-upgrade it does not upgrade that package at all?
[08:40] <tritium> sri, yes, with pinning
[08:40] <sri> tritium: pinning..hm.
[08:41] <EsK> oh nvm
[08:41] <EsK> i found out
[08:41] <sri> tritium: what program lets me pin a package?
[08:41] <tritium> sri, man apt_preferences will give you more details
[08:41] <sri> tritium: oaky, thanks :)
[08:41] <tritium> sri, you might also apt-get install apt-howto, and read through some of it
[08:42] <EsK> imma try it out
[08:42] <EsK> brb
[08:42] <EsK> sweet
[08:42] <glguy> my pretty ubuntu cursor reverted to a boring black one when I upgraded to hoary... is this normal?
[08:42] <tritium> glguy, it's being fixed
[08:43] <glguy> tritium: as long as its not my fault, i can live with it :)
[08:43] <sri> tritium: thanks btw
[08:43] <mjr> is there a lighter way than bugzilla to report a single new translation?
[08:44] <tritium> glguy, :)
[08:44] <tritium> sri, np
[08:44] <EsK> how do i get a cloak
[08:44] <Seveas> mjr, you coud try the ubuntu-translators mailinglist
[08:44] <Seveas> EsK: /msg nickserv help
[08:44] <edulix> anyone having problems acceding  ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ 
[08:45] <edulix> it seems that it doesn't exists ?
[08:45] <edulix> oh now it's back
[08:47] <[FiDO] > it seems I can't update to the latest version of gnome 2.10 with hoary
[08:47] <[FiDO] > it gives me a dependency error
[08:48] <[FiDO] > with the nautilus-media package
[08:48] <[FiDO] > is this being fixed??
[08:48] <seimilauno> any idea about a gnome freeze during splash screen? (from boot to gdm it's ok | the logs can't help | it happens after a kernel-image upgrade to linux-image-2.6.11-1-k7) thanks :)
[08:49] <seimilauno> (it's an hoary system)
[08:50] <OC_Doppelganger> Seveas: also will xsupplicant download the servers certificate? if not how do I go about getting it?
[08:50] <Seveas> OC_Doppelganger, no
[08:50] <Seveas> i skip checking the certificate, it is set to NONE
[08:51] <OC_Doppelganger> hmm
[08:51] <Seveas> it's bad
[08:51] <OC_Doppelganger> aye
[08:51] <topyli> i never knew gnibbles is networked. sweet :)
[08:51] <Seveas> but I can't get the certificate for my wifi networks too :S
[08:51] <Bwl> think it's new in gnome 2.10 ;)
[08:52] <OC_Doppelganger> I was able to d/l it with the OS X suppplicant but I have to find a way to export and convert for xsupplicant
[08:54] <topyli> deathmatch anybody? ;)
[08:54] <[dEvIL-mAN] > howdy
[08:55] <[FiDO] > does anyone know what the deal is with the nautilus-media package in hoary
[08:55] <[dEvIL-mAN] > i'm having problems installing ubuntu on a machine with 32ram
[08:55] <[FiDO] > I can't update gnome because of it
[08:55] <[dEvIL-mAN] > it keeps saying i should upgarde
[08:55] <[dEvIL-mAN] > and it keeps coming up the same error message in a vicious cicle
[08:56] <[dEvIL-mAN] > To install Ubuntu you should have at least 32MB of RAM. and this is on the site
[08:56] <[dEvIL-mAN] > the computer is running on win98
[08:56] <Seveas> [dEvIL-mAN] , that is for installing, but not running :)
[08:56] <unkwn> 32mb would be cutting it very close
[08:56] <[dEvIL-mAN] > i want to get rid of it and put ubuntu
[08:56] <unkwn> you surely wouldn't want to run gnome with that
[08:56] <Seveas> if you want gnome, you need something better
[08:56] <topyli> does the update notifier only care about security stuff?
[08:56] <Seveas> [dEvIL-mAN] , what are the other specs?
[08:56] <[dEvIL-mAN] > humm
[08:57] <[dEvIL-mAN] > low processor 3 gig hard drive
[08:57] <[FiDO] > I think you'd need to run a terminal version of linux
[08:57] <Seveas> that's not gonna be enough for a default install
[08:57] <[dEvIL-mAN] > CPU Info: (1 CPU - AMD Athlon 64 Processor 3000+, 2.01 GHz, L1: 64KB L2: 512KB (5% Load))
[08:57] <garrut> has anyone by any chance installed ubuntu on a toshiba satellite pro 490XCDT?
[08:57] <unkwn> topyli:  you can set it up however you want
[08:57] <[dEvIL-mAN] > i know it keeps saying low something install
[08:57] <topyli> hmm
[08:57] <Seveas> [dEvIL-mAN] , that proc. and 32mb ram????
[08:58] <[FiDO] > an athlon 64 3000+
[08:58] <signal_> hi, does anyone here know anything about getting tvout working on an inspiron 8000?
[08:58] <[dEvIL-mAN] > Memory Usage: (Usage: 857/1280MB (66.95%))  (|||||||---)  Virtual Memory: (Usage: 65/2048MB (3.15%))  (----------)  Page File: (Usage: 469/-1045MB (-44.9%))  (--------------)
[08:58] <[dEvIL-mAN] > nah
[08:58] <[dEvIL-mAN] > this is the top notch machine
[08:58] <Seveas> ahh ok :)
[08:59] <EsK> man this is pissing me off
[08:59] <[dEvIL-mAN] > but i haven't got ubuntu on it
[08:59] <Seveas> signal_, if it is an ati card, try installing atitvout
[08:59] <[dEvIL-mAN] > there's not enough software for ubuntu
[08:59] <topyli> unkwn: oh yeah, in the update manager. nice
[08:59] <signal_> right... i got that far, but i can only get it working in text terminals
[08:59] <[FiDO] > yeah there is dude
[08:59] <Seveas> EsK, what is?
[08:59] <[FiDO] > there's lots of software for ubuntu
[08:59] <[dEvIL-mAN] > ....no there isn't
[08:59] <ydef> hi, i'm able to start x under failsafe mode when starting /etc/init.d/gdm but it dies when I try to startx normally or using xdm.  perhaps a hosed xorg.conf but how is gdm able to start then?
[08:59] <Seveas> signal_, than you need to edit your X configuration
[09:00] <[FiDO] > just add more repositories
[09:00] <[dEvIL-mAN] > yeah like macromedia studi?
[09:00] <[dEvIL-mAN] > and all that stuff?
[09:00] <Seveas> signal you can find tutorials about that on the wiki/forums/tldp
[09:00] <signal_> excelent
[09:00] <Seveas> [dEvIL-mAN] , there is mozilla-flashplayer
[09:00] <[dEvIL-mAN] > i know i have ubuntu on my laptop it work sweet
[09:00] <OC_Doppelganger> plenty of softs in the debian repositories :D j/k you prolly just need to add universe and multiverse
[09:00] <signal_> thanks muchly Seveas
[09:00] <DarthFrog> [dEvIL-mAN] : Well, there's over 16,000 packages in my repositories list, all for Ubuntu.
[09:00] <signal_> i've been looking for that all day
[09:00] <Seveas> yw signal_, good luck with configuring
[09:00] <[FiDO] > same here
[09:00] <[dEvIL-mAN] > i'm talking about developers software
[09:00] <Seveas> ah ok
[09:00] <[FiDO] > if you want graphics software try gimp
[09:00] <Seveas> don't know about that
[09:01] <[FiDO] > pretty much like photoshop
[09:01] <[dEvIL-mAN] > i did it not as good
[09:01] <DarthFrog> [dEvIL-mAN] : If that's not enough, then you and I have different definitions of enough. :-)
[09:01] <Seveas> maybe flash using wine?
[09:01] <unkwn> LMFAO
[09:01] <EsK> everytime i try and get the flash plugin for mozilla firefox, i use sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla, and i do that and terminal tells me to put in  sudo dpkg --configure -a, and when i put that in, it like, logs me off of gnome
[09:01] <[dEvIL-mAN] > or i don't feel familiar with it
[09:01] <ydef> anyone here have x working on a dell laptop?
[09:01] <unkwn> gimp is nothing like photoshop
[09:01] <unkwn> gimp has nothing on photoshop
[09:01] <[dEvIL-mAN] > lol
[09:01] <apokryphos> unkwn: suggest another Linux program that is more similar to it.
[09:01] <OC_Doppelganger> signal take a look at: http://ubuntuguide.org/
[09:01] <[FiDO] > well you're right there
[09:01] <[dEvIL-mAN] > we have an argument here
[09:01] <unkwn> there arn't any
[09:01] <Seveas> esk, it is mozilla-flashplayer I believe
[09:01] <[FiDO] > I'm just saying its the linux attempt at photoshop
[09:01] <unkwn> nothing comes close to photoshop on linux
[09:01] <Seveas> EsK, and that gnome kicks you out is correct
[09:02] <EsK> oh, then the ubuntu guide has it wrong if you are correct
[09:02] <Seveas> that is one of the side-effect of that command, therefore you should use a real terminal for it
[09:02] <EsK> why does it kick me out
[09:02] <apokryphos> unkwn: whatever. GIMP is quite like Photoshop; Photoshop is simply more powerful/better.
[09:02] <OC_Doppelganger> signal: nevermind...
[09:02] <Myrtti> unkwn: feel free to try pixel32
[09:02] <[dEvIL-mAN] > if they only released that software for linux
[09:02] <Seveas> esk, because it restarts gnome (or actually gdm)
[09:02] <Myrtti> though it's not free
[09:02] <[dEvIL-mAN] > the world would be a better place
[09:02] <[dEvIL-mAN] > :)
[09:02] <[FiDO] > linux just has to get more popular
[09:02] <OC_Doppelganger> that was for devil-man
[09:03] <apokryphos> unkwn: GIMP is perfectly great for *many* differet graphical manipulations. I'm sorry you don't like it, but hey.
[09:03] <EsK> but this is pissing me off and it wont work
[09:03] <Seveas> EsK, and i was wrong, it is flashplayer-mozilla
[09:03] <EsK> are their files like fedora where u just put in your firefox plugins folder
[09:03] <Snarfy> can anyone tell me if i should have an dev and an .dev directory in my / or is this a bug?
[09:03] <Seveas> Snarfy, it is not a bug
[09:03] <Seveas> .dev is a backup of th static /dev
[09:04] <Seveas>   /dev in ubuntu is managed by udev
[09:04] <Snarfy> Seveas, i never saw it in any other distro
[09:04] <[dEvIL-mAN] > Bandwidth: (Current Downstream: 86.38kb/s  Current Upstream: 3.28kb/s)
[09:04] <EsK> are their files like fedora where u just put in your firefox plugins folder
[09:04] <Bwl> Is it possible to re-run the network configuration wizard that is launched on install?
[09:04] <Seveas> Snarfy, that means you either never used a distro that uses udev or one that was so kind to backup the original /dev
[09:04] <Seveas> you can delete /.dev if you want to
[09:05] <[FiDO] > has anyone here used pure-ftpd
[09:05] <Seveas> bwl, yes
[09:05] <Seveas> but there is a graphical wizard too :)
[09:05] <Seveas> [FiDO] , yes
[09:05] <Bwl> Seveas: I can't find it, went to the base-config but no luck. :)
[09:05] <[FiDO] > I don't understand why there's no conf file with the hoary version
[09:05] <Bwl> Seveas: oh, my installation missed out the graphical so I'm installing ubuntu-desktop atm. ;)
[09:05] <[FiDO] > normally there was a pureftpd.conf file to configure the server
[09:05] <[FiDO] > doesn't seem to be there with ubuntu
[09:06] <Snarfy> Seveas, yes that could be, just wondering does it take any space or are it just the links to the devices ?
[09:06] <unkwn> i like proftpd/gproftpd
[09:06] <Seveas> bwl, on warty it is in the menu computer - system configuration - networking
[09:06] <Seveas> [FiDO] , sorry, dn't know about that, I use pureftpd only on gentoo
[09:06] <unkwn> gproftpd adds a nice GUI for configuration
[09:06] <[FiDO] > nice there's a gui for proftpd
[09:06] <Bwl> Seveas: Thanks it's hoardy but I'll find it.
[09:06] <Seveas> Snarfy, it does not take any space
[09:07] <[FiDO] > I'll have to try that
[09:07] <Snarfy> Seveas, thx !
[09:07] <unkwn> [FiDO] :  i could only find it in .rpm format, had to convert with alien and dpkg -i
[09:08] <[FiDO] > gproftpd isn't on synaptic
[09:08] <carles> hello!! anybody from spain who can help me??????
[09:08] <[FiDO] > there's a proftpd but no gproftpd I'll have to go find it I guess
[09:08] <apokryphos> carles: #ubuntu-es
[09:08] <carles> ;)
[09:08] <DarthFrog> [FiDO] : What you really mean to say is: gproftpd isn't available via Synaptic with the repositories I have configured. :-)
[09:09] <Seveas> [FiDO] , it isn't in universe too, maybe you'll have to manually compile it
[09:09] <Snarfy> http://mange.dynup.net/linux.html <= he makes gproftpd
[09:09] <Seveas> unkwn, do you know a repo for gproftpd?
[09:09] <unkwn> no you gotta download the rpm
[09:09] <unkwn> and alien it
[09:09] <Seveas> k
[09:09] <[FiDO] > what is this alien you talk about lol
[09:10] <unkwn> alien converts rpm's to deb's
[09:10] <[FiDO] > cool I'll try that sounds like a useful tool
[09:10] <Seveas> and deb's you can install :)
[09:11] <unkwn> you just download an rpm and type 'alien foo.rpm'
[09:11] <Seveas> alien gproftpd.rpm
[09:11] <[FiDO] > doesn't stand to screw stuff up though does it
[09:11] <Seveas> dpkg -i gproftpd.deb
[09:11] <unkwn> dpkg installed it without any problems for me
[09:11] <gratuit> does alien just demolish all dependacies?
[09:12] <unkwn> good question, that i do not know
[09:12] <apokryphos> gratuit: no
[09:12] <gratuit> apokryphos: how does it translate them then?
[09:12] <apokryphos> gratuit: no idea
[09:12] <[FiDO] > well if it works it works
[09:13] <Seveas> :] 
[09:13] <odysseu1> where is apache default documentroot ? cant find it in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
[09:13] <unkwn> /var/www/ ?
[09:14] <Seveas> unkwn, it is called DocumentRoot, if it isn't there apache should complain i believe
[09:14] <unkwn> odysseu1:  you'll see at the bottom of the conf file, it's calling another file
[09:14] <unkwn> where the virtual hosts are
[09:14] <det> Everytime I upgrade xorg, I have to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to input my monitor refresh ranges so i am not stuck with 60hz. Why doesn't the xorg package save my debconf settings? Can I force it to?
[09:14] <odysseu1> thx
[09:15] <TMM> hey all!
[09:15] <[FiDO] > that alien thing seemed to work nicely thanks
[09:15] <[FiDO] > that will come in handy alot
[09:15] <[FiDO] > I just hope it doesn't screw up dependancies for synaptic
[09:15] <unkwn> after you install it
[09:15] <unkwn> it'll show up in synaptic
[09:15] <unkwn> under 'converted by alien'
[09:15] <[FiDO] > really cool
[09:15] <TMM> I was just trying to upgrade a warty install to hoary, but, after updating the sources.list and apt-get upgrade it just wants to remove some python packages, and claims that there are no further software to be upgraded.
[09:16] <thoreauputic_> suddenly over 80MB of security upgrades on Warty? wtf?
[09:16] <TMM> are the hoary reporisitories changed or anything? :)
[09:16] <nictuku> Do I need to install an additional package to make xinerama - multihead work in X?
[09:16] <[FiDO] > so it does nice
[09:16] <TMM> I'm using: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted
[09:16] <apokryphos> TMM: in what way? They change all the time: updates.
[09:16] <[FiDO] > thanks unkwn
[09:16] <TMM> apokryphos, I mean, did they move :)
[09:16] <Seveas> TMM, try apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:17] <TMM> Seveas, I did :)
[09:17] <[FiDO] > gproftpd won't run though
[09:17] <[FiDO] > it doesn't even appear to be anywhere
[09:17] <apokryphos> TMM: no :). And they work fine here...
[09:17] <unkwn> fido: gksudo gproftpd.real
[09:18] <[FiDO] > what is that supposed to do
[09:18] <thoreauputic_> jdub: any idea why there are suddenly 80MB of updates for warty?
[09:18] <[FiDO] > Failed to run proftpd.real: Child terminated with 1 status
[09:18] <TMM> I don't understand then...
[09:18] <apokryphos> [FiDO] : run the prog with root permission.
[09:18] <PacoBCN> today I saw many updates in general
[09:19] <[FiDO] > works thanks
[09:19] <[FiDO] > so gksudo runs gui programs as root
[09:19] <[FiDO] > ?
[09:19] <thoreauputic_> PacoBCN: yes, for hoary that's normal - but for warty?
[09:19] <signal_> huh... in the forums alot of people are asking how to configure xorg.conf for tvout with ati cards, but noone has posted an actual xorg.conf that works...
[09:19] <TMM> it says: 0 upgraded, 2 newly installed, 79 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[09:19] <TMM> I don't get it :(
[09:19] <PacoBCN> thoreauputic_, well, I saw some are nvidia related
[09:19] <PacoBCN> so it's for both
[09:20] <PacoBCN> but not sure about the rest
[09:20] <TMM> I've done this a million times, why the fsck isn't it working TODAY? ;)
[09:20] <apokryphos> [FiDO] : not as root. As you, but with root permissions (sudo).
[09:20] <[FiDO] > yeah right.. good to know
[09:20] <TMM> maybe just let it remove the 79 packages, and then retry it?
[09:20] <TMM> weird conflict perhaps?
[09:20] <TMM> is that possible?
[09:20] <Seveas> maybe
[09:20] <Seveas> do you have other sources in your sources.list?
[09:21] <Seveas> and do you still have ubuntu-desktop installed?
[09:21] <unkwn> tmm: you trying to upgrade to hoary?
[09:21] <PacoBCN> I wish it asks me to uninstall packs :)
[09:21] <thoreauputic_> PacoBCN: hmm - lots of -dev packages.... must be security stuff but why I don't know
[09:21] <TMM> unkwn, yes
[09:22] <PacoBCN> yup
[09:22] <PacoBCN> perhaps
[09:22] <unkwn> tmm: did you read the section on ubuntguide.org ?
[09:22] <unkwn> ubuntuguide.org*
[09:22] <TMM> Seveas, I might not have ununtu-desktop installed... I think it got removed when I installed xine-backend for totem...
[09:22] <TMM> should I reinstall it?
[09:22] <PacoBCN> I've noticed that my DVD burner writes much slower than before...
[09:22] <Seveas> try it
[09:22] <PacoBCN> weird
[09:22] <Seveas> and reinstall totem-xine afterwards
[09:22] <thoreauputic_> oh well, on dialup I'll do them over a couple of sessions in the next couple of days, I guess
[09:22] <unkwn> PacoBCN:  gotta turn on DMA
[09:22] <Seveas> but still, a lot of things should get updated...
[09:23] <TMM> ok
[09:23] <TMM> I'll try that
[09:23] <PacoBCN> unkwn, DMA?
[09:23] <TMM> meh, need to 'downgrade' my sources.list first ;)
[09:25] <TMM> Seveas, doesn't make any difference :(
[09:25] <unkwn> hdparm -d1 /dev/hdb
[09:26] <unkwn> change /dev/hdb appropriately
[09:26] <Seveas> TMM, so weird...
[09:26] <Seveas> can you paste your sources.list somewhere?
[09:26] <TMM> Seveas, I now use http://ubuntuguide.org/#upgradewartytohoary
[09:26] <PacoBCN> unkwn, I'm writing a DVD now, would that affect the active process?
[09:27] <TMM> same shit, different day ;)
[09:27] <unkwn> yes, don't do it now
[09:27] <unkwn> wait until after
[09:27] <TMM> it even wants to remove ubunutu-base with apt-get dist-upgrade??
[09:27] <Seveas> huh??
[09:27] <Seveas> did you install evil universe or marillat things???
[09:27] <Q-FUNK> http://www.iki.fi/q-funk/cgi-bin/blosxom.cgi/2005/03/16#2005-03-16_gnome_2_10
[09:27] <Snarfy> unkwn, doesn't -K1 do the same instead of changing /dev/hdx
[09:27] <PacoBCN> unkwn, ok, thx
[09:28] <Q-FUNK> would anybody happen to know the fix for that keyboard map problem?
[09:28] <TMM> Seveas, euh, both...
[09:28] <tofu> hey i need some help installing drivers for my network card..
[09:28] <TMM> Seveas, soo... how do I fix that? ...
[09:28] <Seveas> TMM, they could interfere somehow
[09:28] <unkwn> snarfy:  K     Set the drives  keep_features_over_reset  flag.   Setting  this
[09:28] <unkwn>               enables the drive to retain the settings for APSWXZ over a soft
[09:28] <unkwn>               reset (as done during the error  recovery  sequence).   Not  all
[09:28] <unkwn>               drives support this feature.
[09:29] <Seveas> TMM, disable marillat and other non-ubuntu  repos
[09:29] <Seveas> delete your cache
[09:29] <motuline> argh.. why my ati drivers suck =).. I get only 1800FPS Per 5Seconds..
[09:29] <Seveas> run apt-get update
[09:29] <Seveas> and then apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:29] <TMM> Seveas, with warty sources.list?
[09:29] <TMM> Seveas, because I don't have marillat stuff in this hoary sources.list now
[09:29] <unkwn> motuline:  you should feel lucky, the ATI drivers don't even support 3D for my chipset
[09:30] <motuline> what chipset do you have
[09:30] <Seveas> yes
[09:30] <unkwn> 9100 IGP
[09:30] <TMM> Seveas, ok, trying...
[09:30] <Seveas> make sure you delete your cache!
[09:31] <unkwn> OpenGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc.
[09:31] <unkwn> OpenGL renderer string: RADEON 9000/9100 IGP Series DDR Generic
[09:31] <unkwn> OpenGL version string: 1.3.4769 (X4.3.0-8.8.25)
[09:31] <motuline> yes?
[09:31] <motuline> display: :0.0  screen: 0
[09:31] <motuline> OpenGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc.
[09:31] <motuline> OpenGL renderer string: RADEON 9600 XT Generic
[09:31] <motuline> OpenGL version string: 1.3.4769 (X4.3.0-8.8.25)
[09:31] <unkwn> if i even try to run a 3D screensaver the whole computer locks up
[09:31] <TMM> Seveas, it still wants to remove the python stuff, but now it wants to upgrade xfree... odd.. I'm just gonna go through with it. see what happens
[09:32] <Seveas> TMM be careful and good luck
[09:32] <TMM> Seveas, yeah, thanks... not even my system...
[09:32] <unkwn> lol
[09:32] <tofu> seveas, do i need to install drivers for my network card if it shows up in the networking window
[09:33] <motuline> weird that ati drivers in suse give me fps 2500-5000 but in ubuntu I only get 1700-1800
[09:33] <Seveas> tofu, probably not
[09:33] <Seveas> can you paste the optput of ifconfig -a somewhere? (not in the channel, use a pastebin)
[09:34] <neighborlee> hi...firefox in hoary preview release is crashing and its taking entire desktop with it except xchat so far LOL...anyone else seeing this???
[09:34] <tofu> seveas, you want me to do that?
[09:34] <Seveas> tofu, yes
[09:34] <tofu> k brb
[09:36] <[-Soultrance-] > hey there, I'm a bit of a linux n00b here and could use some help if possible. I'm running Hoary at the moment and the max res I am allowed is 1024 by 768 and I wanted to know if there was a manual way I could force it or change it to 1280 x 1024 ?
[09:36] <[-Soultrance-] > I've been told to edit the Xorg.config file before but I don't know what to edit in it, lol
[09:36] <zenrox> [-Soultrance-] ,  what video card
[09:36] <apokryphos> [-Soultrance-] : (i) edit your xorg.config file or (ii) sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:36] <[-Soultrance-] > Geforce MX400
[09:37] <[-Soultrance-] > it can support it because I run in on winblows
[09:37] <zenrox> have you installed the drivers for it
[09:37] <TMM> I figured it out...
[09:37] <Seveas> TMM, tell me :)
[09:37] <TMM> I pinned the version to warty, because I needed a couple of hoary packages...
[09:37] <[-Soultrance-] > Not that I know of
[09:37] <TMM> last time I was here
[09:37] <Seveas> hehe
[09:37] <TMM> so, no wonder it wouldn't upgrade
[09:37] <TMM> I totally forget
[09:37] <Seveas> :)
[09:37] <zenrox> [-Soultrance-] ,  read www.ubuntuguide.org for help install nvidia drivers
[09:37] <TMM> somebody shoot me please ;)
[09:37] <Seveas> *pang*
[09:37] <[-Soultrance-] > okay cool
[09:37] <TMM> ty
[09:37] <[-Soultrance-] > thnx zen
[09:38] <neighborlee> aim ,,,,ready.../me shoots stream of fart gas at TMM
[09:38] <zenrox> [-Soultrance-] ,  n/p that want we are here for
[09:39] <topyli> not ty, TMM
[09:39] <topyli> heh
[09:39] <neighborlee> well my destkop is all farted out thx to firefox CRASH...ill b-r-b
[09:41] <dazed||lap> whats up with firefox???some bug?
[09:42] <khirya_> how do I redirect the output from the md5sum that gets installed with warty?
[09:42] <khirya_> (it isn't stdout)
[09:43] <Carl> pretty sure I figured this out last week, and now I can't remember
[09:43] <Tomcat_> Can somebody please kick YetEb?
[09:43] <Tomcat_> [21:42:44]  [YetEb]  Private for you... Http://xsexyx.tr.cx
[09:44] <Bubbling_Zombie> don't think we got ops here
[09:44] <Cspnico> hi
[09:44] <Seveas> Carl, it is stdout on my machine
[09:44] <Cspnico> someone konws how i can converts my ogg to mp3 ?please
[09:45] <thoreauputic_> Bubbling_Zombie: we do, they just have to give themselves ops
[09:45] <Bubbling_Zombie> ah, ok
[09:45] <Bubbling_Zombie> right, services etcetera :)
[09:45] <thoreauputic_> Cspnico: sox
[09:45] <Bubbling_Zombie> too much time on efnet :p
[09:45] <Tomcat_> That guy is really annoying... spamming me every 5 seconds.
[09:45] <Cspnico> thoreauputic>its for my mp3 ready
[09:46] <Cspnico> thoreauputic>ho dos nt support ogg
[09:46] <thoreauputic_> Cspnico: I told you - you use the sox program
[09:47] <Cspnico> thoreauputic_>sorry i m frennch and i thought thaht you would say "sux" for me it means it is bad :x
[09:47] <thoreauputic_> Cspnico: non mon ami - c'est pas ce que je voulais dire ;)
[09:47] <Cspnico> lol
[09:48] <unkwn> I'm Canadian and i don't even know what that means
[09:48] <unkwn> sad
[09:48] <unkwn> i know the first part
[09:49] <apokryphos> excuse moi, je oublie mon caie (*definitely* spelt that wrong) :)
[09:49] <HrdwrBoB> one my friend - it is not what I wanted to say (courtesy of babelfish)
[09:49] <DarthFrog> unkwn: Then you're a true rest-of-Canada Canadian. :-)
[09:50] <unkwn> 'no my friend' is the first part
[09:50] <sic|> HrdwrBoB, ya beat me to babelfish
[09:50] <sic|> not my friend - it is not what I wanted to say
[09:50] <unkwn> Quebec is like the blacksheep of Canada
[09:50] <unkwn> they should just seperate already
[09:50] <Cspnico> thoreauputic_: Cspnico: non mon ami - c'est pas ce que je voulais dire ;)>>i translat
[09:50] <[-Soultrance-] > I took french from grade 6 - grade 9 and thats jibberish to me :P
[09:50] <[-Soultrance-] > and I'm from canada
[09:50] <unkwn> go move into America
[09:51] <unkwn> [-Soultrance-] :  ditto
[09:51] <Cspnico> cspnico my friend :x - its not thaht i would say
[09:51] <sic|> noooo....america is full, move to south africa
[09:51] <unkwn> we started in grade 4 though
[09:51] <sic|> heheh
[09:51] <[-Soultrance-] > I think I was earlier then 6 too
[09:51] <[-Soultrance-] > it was just a guess
[09:51] <Cspnico> America it s not very well
[09:51] <[-Soultrance-] > It's mandatory here
[09:51] <Carl> Seveas, more to my md5 problem: I am trying to do this: md5sum -c -v /tmp/x.md5>/tmp/check.md5
[09:51] <Cspnico> I prefere france
[09:51] <[-Soultrance-] > and I didn't have any other language options untill like grade 10
[09:51] <Cspnico> :=))
[09:51] <Seveas> carl, that does not look right
[09:52] <sic|> I prefer The Netherlands...
[09:52] <Seveas> are you checking an md5 sum or creating one
[09:52] <unkwn> mmm
[09:52] <unkwn> <3 NL
[09:52] <Carl> Seveas, trying to capture the output of md5sum -c
[09:52] <Carl> Seveas, checking
[09:52] <unkwn> almost my whole family is in Rotterdam
[09:53] <thoreauputic_> Cspnico: actually, I just discovered sox has no mp3 support - sorry
[09:53] <sic|> I lived in a really small town...its name is Bladl
[09:53] <Seveas> carl, the output is mainly it's exit code
[09:53] <fonsken> are there any "graphical" diskmanagers available (like fdisk, ...)?
[09:53] <Snarfy> unkwn, close by ... Capelle
[09:53] <Seveas> if you want verbose output -cv works
[09:53] <Carl> Seveas, if you add -v, you get the results, but not to stdout
[09:53] <Seveas> carl, so it is stderr
[09:53] <unkwn> my fav part of being in europe is the trains
[09:53] <unkwn> :D
[09:53] <thoreauputic_> fonsken: qtparted, gparted
[09:54] <sic|> my fav part of europe is not being in the U.S.
[09:54] <Cspnico>  thoreauputic_: >yes and it doest work at me
[09:54] <Carl> Seveas, so what is the &>@#! that redirects stderr?
[09:54] <sic|> :)
[09:54] <dwr> hello, i need help.. ubuntu won't start
[09:54] <Seveas> carl, if you want to capture stderr, you say md5sum -cv file.md5 2>some_file
[09:54] <Seveas> 2> redirects stderr
[09:54] <fonsken> thanks, thoreauputic_
[09:54] <Seveas> 2.&1 redirects stderr to stdout
[09:54] <sic|> Nermal: morning
[09:54] <Seveas> 2>&1 redirects stderr to stdout
[09:54] <Carl> 2>&1 - that is what i was looking for - thanks
[09:55] <edulix> hi !
[09:55] <Seveas> yw :)
[09:55] <Carl> I thougth it was &2>1
[09:55] <edulix> I'm trying to install java here
[09:55] <Seveas> 2 = stderr
[09:55] <Carl> now I can |tee and see what is going on
[09:55] <Seveas> > = redirect
[09:55] <apokryphos> edulix: ubuntuguide.org
[09:55] <Seveas> &1 = address of 1
[09:55] <HrdwrBoB> Carl: that will background it and then try and run '2' and redirect it to '1'
[09:55] <sic|> edulix: there is a missing link pointing to the lib for java
[09:55] <edulix> sic|: where is that missing link?
[09:56] <Carl> HrdwrBoB, yeah, I would get interesting results that requreid pkill and such ;)
[09:56] <edulix> I'm having problem with rep ftp://neacm.fe.up.pt/pub/ubuntu-java/, but I'm able to download it via firefox
[09:56] <monteiro> my synaptic when i write my root password it says always wrong, when i make su on the terminal it works how can i resolve this ?
[09:56] <xerox> Is there a way to list package dependicies?
[09:56] <edulix> can I download the deb and then install it?
[09:56] <apokryphos> xerox: if you mean in synaptic, yes.
[09:56] <sic|> edulix: let me check...its been awhile since I did it....I got it from www.java.com when I installed it
[09:56] <unkwn> monteiro:  your root password is your own password
[09:56] <Snarfy> monteiro, use your sudo (your own) password
[09:57] <Natham> i erase mi MBR with XP, how can i recover it?
[09:57] <Seveas> Natham, re-install grub
[09:57] <edulix> sic|: if I ggot directly to ftp://neacm.fe.up.pt/pub/ubuntu-java/binary it fails, that's the problem
[09:57] <Natham> ok
[09:57] <xerox> apokryphos: anything command line?
[09:57] <Natham> how can i reinstall grub?
[09:57] <edulix> sic|: s/got/go/
[09:57] <Natham> just type grub?
[09:58] <Seveas> xerox, apt-cache show
[09:58] <tullinga> I am trying to install linux-headers. first I did uname-r to find the version and then I tried to install the headers. anybody know why I get the following error? "root@ubuntu:/home/cvalstad # uname -r 2.6.10-4-powerpc
[09:58] <tullinga> root@ubuntu:/home/cvalstad # apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.10-4_2.6.10-27_powerpc.deb
[09:58] <tullinga> Reading Package Lists... Done
[09:58] <tullinga> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[09:58] <tullinga> E: Couldn't find package linux-headers-2.6.10-4_2.6.10-27_powerpc.deb"
[09:58] <Snarfy> grub-install
[09:58] <Natham> ok
[09:58] <edulix> Natham: that will show you a grub cmd. to install grub, sudo grub-install(hd0), for example
[09:58] <apokryphos> xerox: I'm quite sure there will be. See man page
[09:58] <unkwn> tullinga:  leave off the .deb
[09:58] <Seveas> tullinga, that will not work
[09:58] <xerox> Seveas: does "apt-cache show emacs" show anything to you?
[09:58] <Natham> ok
[09:58] <monteiro> unkwn : i don't understand, but a normal user can install software ?
[09:59] <edulix> sic|: I want java for eclipse. do I need the jre or the sdk?
[09:59] <coolspot> today Ubuntu saved linux for me, I FINALLY got the side buttons for my mouse working
[09:59] <xerox> Whoops, it's emacs21, thank you all.
[09:59] <Seveas> tullinga, use dpkg -i .......deb
[09:59] <unkwn> monteiro:  you need to read up on 'sudo'
[10:00] <tullinga> Seveas, so with apt-get i dont need .dep and with dpkg I do need it?
[10:00] <monteiro> unkwn : i know, i've a root user with another password
[10:00] <Seveas> tullinga apt-get is for installing packages from a repository, it uses dpkg internally, dpkg is for installing deb-files that you already have
[10:01] <Seveas> monteiro, sudo enables normal users to do stuff with root privileges
[10:01] <keyhack> Does anyone know of an online resource that shows you how to configure an external monitor (using a laptop here) to act as a second desktop display?
[10:01] <Seveas> if of course they are allowed to
[10:01] <Seveas> keyhack, have you tried the ubuntu wiki/forums/guide?
[10:02] <keyhack> Seveas: I didn't see anything
[10:03] <Seveas> keyhack, you can always try tldp (the linux documentation project, www.tldp.org
[10:03] <Seveas> )
[10:03] <monteiro> Seveas : tks :)
[10:03] <sic|> edulix: good question, I am not sure.  I installed jre...
[10:03] <monteiro> anyone knows how i put my monitor with 75 hz ? i've the nvidia drivers, and it is in 60 hz
[10:04] <sic|> edulix: there is a sym link missing though...from mozilla to the jre
[10:04] <keyhack> Seveas: yeah... can't seem to find anything with laptops on there
[10:04] <KING^^^> is there a problem if I have a Swap area of 8 Mb ?
[10:04] <edulix> sic|: uh? I don't understand that last thing
[10:04] <edulix> sic|: BTW, I'm downloading the jre, and then I'l install with sudo dpkg -i ;)
[10:05] <apokryphos> KING^^^: you should have much more than that.
[10:05] <KING^^^> but there is a problem to have 8 mb of Swap ?
[10:05] <shmoolik> hello whats up
[10:05] <sic|> edulix: ahh...then you should be ok...there is a plugin link from mozilla to the /usr/java I believe...I am trying to find it now
[10:05] <apokryphos> KING^^^: well, yes. You should have roughly double the amount of RAM that you have.
[10:05] <Nermal> lolo
[10:06] <shmoolik> i want to ask some thingy ... how can i put my HDD on My Computer window ?
[10:06] <KING^^^> and if I have 8 Mb swap what could happen` ?
[10:06] <edulix> sic|: I hope this deb does everything need to work out of the box ;)
[10:07] <sic|> edulix: I have been using it at work for 2 weeks and have now completely given up on windows except for gaming
[10:07] <thoreauputic_> shmoolik: jst drag and drop the icon from the "places" in nautilus computer
[10:07] <apokryphos> KING^^^: Problems. Well, I could guess what ones. Probably more chance of a crash etc.. you'll get into problems if you run out of memory in particular operations.
[10:08] <apokryphos> ones that wear out cpu; i.e. compiling etc.
[10:08] <Snarfy> does anyone know of a gui which shows me how much space a directory takes and when i click it it goes down into that directory. I think "tree" under windows does/did the same
[10:08] <KING^^^> apokryphos: it can be modified now ?
[10:08] <apokryphos> KING^^^: probably, but it might not be too safe.
[10:09] <KING^^^> i don't know exactly ?
[10:09] <apokryphos> general partition resizing hasn't been too safe for me, but a lot of people have had no problems.
[10:09] <apokryphos> Using a partition manager. Something like qtparted, or gparted (I think that was the Gnome one)
[10:09] <KING^^^> aha ...
[10:10] <KING^^^> ok
[10:10] <KING^^^> i will try
[10:10] <Cspnico> whats .list i need for lame?
[10:10] <KING^^^> and after i have partitioned , how to put that larger partition to use as swap ?
[10:10] <thoreauputic_> Cspnico: probably multiverse
[10:10] <thoreauputic_> or universe
[10:11] <apokryphos> KING^^^: you'll partition it as SWAP
[10:11] <KING^^^> aha
[10:11] <thoreauputic_> Cspnico: multiverse for lame ( I think it's non-free)
[10:11] <KING^^^> ok , and with this partition ?
[10:12] <apokryphos> KING^^^: you'll just resize your current one; i.e. make it bigger
[10:12] <apokryphos> But, I warn you, you might have problems.
[10:12] <KING^^^> i hope not :)
[10:12] <apokryphos> Best to backup any things that are real important.
[10:12] <Cspnico> thoreauputic_>thanks
[10:12] <KING^^^> i don't know how to backup things :)
[10:12] <thoreauputic_> pas de quoi, monsieur ;-)
[10:13] <apokryphos> KING^^^: burn them to dvd/cd; put them on another disk-drive; ftp them up somewhere etc..
[10:13] <KING^^^> aha ... i understand
[10:15] <shmoolik> thoreauputic_,  ... i think u didn't got me right ... i have mounted all my HDD partions on Media folder ... and now  I want to c all my HDD partions on "My Computer" Nautilus  window....
[10:15] <shmoolik> how do i do that ?
[10:16] <thoreauputic_> shmoolik: if they are in /etc/fstab , thry should show
[10:16] <thoreauputic_> *they
[10:17] <thoreauputic_> shmoolik: all my /etc/fstab entries show in that window
[10:19] <thoreauputic_> shmoolik: each entry needs a separate mountpoint directory defined, of course
[10:21] <shmoolik> thanks man
[10:22] <glguy> suppose i destroyed my xorg.conf trying to get vmware to work which doesn't because it sees xorg as xfree3...
[10:22] <shmoolik> i will check it out now
[10:22] <glguy> how might i go about getting the xorg.conf back
[10:22] <shmoolik> thoreauputic_,  :))) thanks man
[10:22] <thoreauputic_> shmoolik: no worries :)
[10:22] <shmoolik> thoreauputic_,  though my HDD mount point r on that file
[10:23] <shmoolik> "etc/fstab"
[10:24] <thoreauputic_> shmoolik: you should have, for instance, /media/name1, /media/name2 or whatever in /etc/fstab
[10:24] <shmoolik> thoreauputic_,  yeah i have  :))
[10:25] <shmoolik> thoreauputic_,  for e.g. /dev/hda1       /media/winxp    vfat    rw,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=0,iocharset=ut
[10:25] <Xerces> hi, I installed unbuntu without problems but it doens't want to boot. no errors, just a black screen before it goes into the desktop. Any ideas
[10:25] <Xerces> it's an old pc
[10:26] <sic|> Xerces, we had this happen at work yesterday...we put a newer vid card in the system and it worked fine
[10:26] <shmoolik> Xerces,  try to press "ENTER" few times .... it works fine for me
[10:26] <shmoolik> okay  good ppl
[10:26] <shmoolik> i got to go have a nice day or night !
[10:27] <Xerces> I don't have a video card spare, so I hope the enters work
[10:27] <sic|> heheh
[10:28] <KING^^^> How can I install my ATI video card ?
[10:28] <odyssey> hi i was wondering is gcj a complete replacement for java from sun?
[10:28] <glguy> does hoary instal xfree 3... and xorg 6.8.2??
[10:29] <glguy> nevermind... vmware is being amazingly gay
[10:29] <thoreauputic_> glguy: just xorg
[10:29] <glguy> thoreauputic_: vmware is screwing everyhing up when i try installing the vmware tools...
[10:30] <glguy> making me feel crazy :)
[10:30] <Seveas> odyssey, no not yet
[10:30] <xerox> How to see if a package is actually installed?
[10:30] <Seveas> but they're working on it
[10:30] <Seveas> xerox, use synaptic
[10:30] <Seveas> if it is selected, it is installed
[10:30] <Seveas> or if you want to use commandline: dpkg -l
[10:30] <Seveas> or dpkg --get-selections
[10:31] <xerox> Seveas: I'm trying to learn better the system, I have to do strange things to get emacs cvs as correct .deb, thanks much for the help.
[10:31] <kresten> Mjello!
[10:32] <odyssey> Seveas, thanks
[10:32] <Xerces> damn, i think de vid card is too old :s, it just goes black, and the little light of the monitor goes out. so no signal
[10:33] <kresten> I can't log in as root. Can anybody help me?
[10:34] <thoreauputic_> kresten: use sudo with your user password
[10:34] <thoreauputic_> sudo -s for a root shell
[10:34] <sic|> edulix: in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins folder do: ln -s /usr/java/jre(your version)/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so   and then restart firefox and it should work
[10:35] <kresten> thoreauputic: Yeah, but I would like to be able to drag and drop folders i x...
[10:36] <sic|> kresten, then just change the permissions on the directory you want to drop folders into...then just change it back when you are done
[10:36] <tullinga> I am trying to get the 5.04 version to support my usb wlan adapter and installing linux-wlan-ng-0.2.1pre21. But I am getting this error after I accept to install the correct driver "Build Prism2.5 USB (_usb) driver? (y/n) [n] : y" Linux source directory [/usr/src/linux] :
[10:36] <tullinga> Linux source tree /usr/src/linux is incomplete or missing!
[10:36] <tullinga>     See the HOWTO for a list of FTP sites for current kernel sources.
[10:36] <tullinga> Configuration failed
[10:36] <tullinga> make: *** [config]  Error 1"
[10:36] <HillTop> I have a question about /etc/fstab for USB memories. I'm runnung the ubuntu clone: GNOME livecd that has a very nice USB setup. I want it on my  ubuntu Warty. But it is not clear to me...
[10:37] <kresten> thoreauputic: (and sic|): I'm new to linux and ubuntu. Which is why I prefer X-
[10:38] <kresten> thoreauputic: (and sic|): I'm not yet able to use the terminal properly...
[10:38] <HillTop> Perhaps it is in this fstab line, anyone know??  /dev/mapper/casper-snapshot / auto noatime 0 0           Thanks
[10:38] <sic|> kresten: we are all new on some level, its all good. What exactly are you wanting to do?
[10:38] <thoreauputic_> kresten: sudo nautilus /directory/path
[10:39] <tanek_> does anyone know the command to start point2play gui?
[10:39] <sic|> tanek_: did you try alt+F2 and typing in point2play?
[10:39] <kresten> sic|: I want to copy an icon theme to /usr/icons/
[10:39] <thoreauputic_> kresten: thus nautilus is running with full permissions: but be *very* careful if you do this - you can break things easily
[10:40] <artafinde> hello?
[10:40] <tanek_> sic|: yes, don't work
[10:40] <kresten> thoreaputic_: ok. thanks ;)
[10:40] <sic|> tanek_, got me then..dunno
[10:40] <pauldaoust> has anyone else experienced any very very weird kerning problems with fonts? I don't know if it's a freetype problem or a pango problem, but I'm assuming it's pango, because certain programs don't have the problem -- like Firefox and Skype and AbiWord.
[10:40] <tanek_> when i used debian sarge, it put links in my app-menu, but now it doesnt :(
[10:41] <sic|> kresten: good luck man...you could always do a recursive cp as sudo in command line...my personal choice
[10:42] <pauldaoust> oh, I guess I should describe the problems. When I change the colour of a chunk of text, or make it italic, say, in Evolution, there's a huge gap before the changed text, and no gap afterwards. When I try to select text, it's all off too -- like the highlighting doesn't match up with the text.
[10:43] <sic|> tanek_, did you install wine?
[10:43] <ferris> hello
[10:43] <kama> hello
[10:43] <Bubbling_Zombie> oi
[10:43] <sic|> ohiyo!
[10:43] <domtar> hello
[10:44] <sic|> its morning somewhere...hehehe
[10:44] <thenuke> Should I download hoary preview, or install warty from CD I have, and then upgrade to hoary?
[10:44] <bwlang> thenuke: hoary preview...
[10:44] <thenuke> Will I get the very same version of hoary if I update?
[10:44] <bwlang> thenuke: yep
[10:44] <kresten> thoreaputic_:  "sudo nautilus /directory/path" seems to do the trick... When I close the window all rights are back to normal, right?
[10:44] <kotatsu> kresten: a better way to install new icons is to put them in ~/.icons
[10:45] <kotatsu> kresten: ~/.themes is the same deal, but for metacity/gtk themes
[10:45] <sic|> out of curiosity, I am a stable version kind of guy, what is the advantage of hoary? I mean, aren't you rolling your nuts a bit?
[10:45] <kotatsu> sic|: new toys
[10:45] <pauldaoust> bwlang: are you sure? I hear there are a lot of proggies that don't get installed with an upgrade, like the new update manager and stuff
[10:46] <pauldaoust> bwlang: or is that only if you haven't uninstalled the ubuntu-desktop stub package like I have? ^_^
[10:46] <kresten> kotatsu: Yeah, but it still requires root permission, right?
[10:46] <kotatsu> kresten: nope
[10:46] <thoreauputic_> kresten: yes, sudo only applies to the command issued
[10:46] <bwlang> sic|: some people need the newer features... (eg i needed the dynamic clocks stuff from xorg)
[10:46] <kotatsu> there are per-user settings in your home directory for most important things
[10:46] <sic|> kotatsu, since I use ubuntu as my main daily workstation I should stick stable...IMO anyway
[10:46] <bwlang> pauldaoust: you're probaly right... the set of packages might be slightly different... but a quick round of apt-get should solve it.
[10:46] <cb_> I'd like to propose streamtuner to be added to ubuntu, how do I do that? I have failed to find the link on the website.
[10:47] <kotatsu> kresten: and it provides the added benefit of easy backups... if you store everything in your home directory, you can just back that up and without worrying about the rest of your system
[10:47] <pauldaoust> bwlang: that's interesting; I didn't know it was that easy.
[10:47] <ells> can anyone give the address fro the mariallat source
[10:47] <kresten> kotatsu: why can't I see those dir's (./...) when browsing my filesystem?
[10:47] <kotatsu> as long as you have a backup of your home directory, all your files and settings can be applied to any new system immediately... no worries if you trash your current one =P
[10:47] <kotatsu> kresten: "dotfiles" in unix are hidden by default
[10:48] <kotatsu> in nautilus do View --> Hidden Files
[10:48] <tullinga> is the linux-tree file for PPC too?
[10:48] <kotatsu> or "ls -a" at the command line
[10:48] <kresten> Ahh... Got it. Thanks!
[10:48] <ells> can anyone give the address fro the mariallat source
[10:49] <kotatsu> kresten: dotfiles are usually settings that you don't really need to deal with on a daily basis... like the "~/.gnome2" directory has a lot of gnome-related settings in it
[10:49] <kresten> kotatsu: Ok
[10:49] <ells> ./marillat
[10:50] <mirco> hey ho, someone alive in here?!?
[10:50] <ferris> no, no one is alive
[10:51] <Tiscan> Dead is more fun.
[10:51] <ferris> what is up?
[10:52] <Bwl> I've added universe and multiverse, but still I can't find the 2.6.11 images. What have I missed?
[10:53] <odie5533> How do I create my own shortcuts in a folder?
[10:53] <Bwl> Aaah... called linux-image and not kernel-image. Doh my fault. :)
[10:53] <lamont> Bwl: apt-get update?
[10:53] <lamont> they're there...
[10:56] <odie5533> Can I resfresh my desktop? Is that possible
[10:56] <kotatsu> why does linux-686 depend on linux-image-2.6.10-5-686? just hasn't been updated, or is there a reason they're not using 2.6.11?
[10:57] <mirco> I have some prob's setting up dual-monitor on a PowerBook15", hope someone has a bit experience
[10:57] <LeeColleton> odie5533: Ctrl + R
[10:57] <pauldaoust> does NOOOOBODY have font layout problems in Evolution?
[10:57] <odie5533> Ty, I am so used to F5, but it did nothing ;D
[10:57] <pauldaoust> no weird gaps, and text whose character spacing changes size as you select it?
[10:58] <Bwl> kotatsu: probably since 2.6.10-5 is considered more stable
[10:58] <odie5533> pauldaoust, you can set the font I believe
[10:58] <mirco> kotatsu: Install kernel.package and build your own 2.6.11.2 .deb
[10:58] <eric> hi
[10:58] <kotatsu> mirco: why?
[10:58] <Bwl> mirco: there's an 2.6.11 image
[10:58] <odie5533> pauldaoust, Edit > Preferences > Mail Preferences
[10:58] <kotatsu> mirco: apt has 2.6.11 already
[10:58] <pauldaoust> odie5533: it's not so much an issue of changing the font; even monospaced fonts have spacing problems.
[10:58] <mirco> 'cause you asked for newest kernel
[10:59] <kotatsu> mirco: no, I asked why linux-686 doesn't *depend on* the newest kernel ;)
[10:59] <pauldaoust> odie5533: sometimes, after I italicise a word or make it red, there'll be a huge space before it and no space after it, and when I try to re-select everything, the highlighting doesn't match up with the text. It's very peculiar.
[10:59] <mirco> kotatsu: hadn't looked since Friday when I build mine
[10:59] <kotatsu> I haven't touched 2.6.11 yet, so there might be problems I haven't heard about
[10:59] <pauldaoust> come to think of it, I used to have the same problem with gaim, but now I don't. That's interesting.
[11:00] <mirco> kotatsu: 'cause it's out of date
[11:00] <Bwl> How can I report feedback for the hoary installer?
[11:00] <domtar> odie5533: Ctrl+R
[11:01] <eric> I'm new with ubuntu. Just for say I successfully use AMD64(3200+) / Asus A8N SLI Deluxe + 6600GT (not accellerated
[11:01] <kotatsu> oh wow, I haven't checked kernel.org since I got the source for 2.6.10... they're going crazy with the minor revision numbers on 2.6.11
[11:01] <kotatsu> they're up to .4
[11:01] <kotatsu> all the more reason to quit rolling my own and just use the distro's kernel =P
[11:02] <Bubbling_Zombie> eric, does that setup work good?
[11:02] <AndyR> lo all
[11:02] <mirco> thanx for the info so I have to rebuild if want to actual
[11:02] <Bwl> especilly since ubuntu is so fast. I've stopped compiling my own since switched from debian to ubuntu. :)
[11:02] <niran> is there a command to see which process is generating network traffic?
[11:02] <[-Soultrance-] > man upgrading to hoary takes sometime when you forgot you have to say yes or no to some things
[11:02] <eric> Bubbling_Zombie : yes, I just don't find some appls
[11:02] <IrcUsr> niran: iftop
[11:02] <eric> s /appls/applis/
[11:02] <mirco> niran: iptraf
[11:02] <Bubbling_Zombie> oh, nice, thanks (i have a system like that, going to install u buntu on it next week and i just wanted to be safe)
[11:02] <niran> thanks
[11:02] <Bubbling_Zombie> what you searching?
[11:03] <eric> Bubbling_Zombie : libncurses-dev don't work
[11:03] <eric> Bubbling_Zombie : I want to build a new kernel
[11:03] <kotatsu> Bwl: yeah, I always had to find time to get around to compiling a new kernel, then recompiling when I found I was missing a feature =P I've compiled enough that it's no longer interesting, it's just a chore
[11:04] <Bubbling_Zombie> mmm, you sure the standard one doesn't fit you?
[11:04] <eric> Bubbling_Zombie  : I want to test my NVidia card with 3D accel
[11:04] <AndyR> glxgears?
[11:05] <cocol> whats happening with the xfons-konsole update..get an err
[11:05] <Bubbling_Zombie> eric, doesn't the nvidia driver work with your sys?
[11:05] <eric> Bubbling_Zombie : no, dri = no
[11:05] <Bwl> kotatsu: I agree. Ubuntu actually makes one productive. :)
[11:06] <Bubbling_Zombie> mmm, i'm not an expert on this, sorry
[11:06] <eric> Bubbling_Zombie : build a new kernel is not a problem for me, but I don't understand why libncurses-dev (installed) are not seen...
[11:06] <dmoyne> help ; I have tried to update KDE 3.3 (warty) to KDE 3.4 (hoary) with synaptic and though appently everything went smoothly I can no more log trough kdm as an error window appears ! ; how can I safely return to previous stable status ?
[11:06] <Bubbling_Zombie> heh, i meant that :)
[11:07] <Bubbling_Zombie> i'm kinda new myself to all this apt-getting and stuff like that ;)
[11:07] <apokryphos> dmoyne: what's the error message?
[11:07] <dmoyne> I have the typical nasty windod with as far as I can remember libtread....
[11:07] <cocol> go to synaptic and rome kde
[11:07] <eric> Bubbling_Zombie : I'm always use Debian, so I' already have tried :-) BTW, is it possible to extend the list for apt-get update ?
[11:08] <evilbutters> I just installed Horay and whenever I try to launch it, I get caught up at the Starting Hotplug Subsystem and then it dosent do anything
[11:08] <Bubbling_Zombie> sure, did you add the universe reps like on www.ubuntuguide.org ?
[11:08] <dmoyne> what do you mean as first I can no more go back to a graphical mode (kdm chosen by default) !
[11:08] <scizzo> evilbutters: just when you start once?
[11:08] <scizzo> evilbutters: because I have a simular thing on my laptop
[11:09] <apokryphos> dmoyne: what? What does it say is the problem?
[11:09] <apokryphos> dmoyne: which packages did you upgrade to get to 3.4?
[11:10] <eric> later !
[11:10] <dmoyne> I acnnot tell you precisely as again this is the window listing a problem with libthread something! ; may be if I could go with gnome but how to select gdm ?
[11:10] <evilbutters> Ive tried many times to get Horay to run and everytime I do it just stops at Hotplugs
[11:10] <glguy> man... when they say that evolution2.2 is still being developed, they aren't kidding
[11:11] <apokryphos> dmoyne: sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[11:11] <scizzo> evilbutters: did you try to reboot again
[11:11] <apokryphos> dmoyne: did you do a sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop?
[11:11] <evilbutters> yea
[11:11] <scizzo> evilbutters: ok
[11:11] <dmoyne> when I execute this what will happen ?
[11:11] <scizzo> hmmm...
[11:12] <apokryphos> dmoyne: you will be able to use gdm instead of kdm, which is I think what you said you want to do.
[11:12] <dmoyne> no I did not do apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:12] <apokryphos> dmoyne: it's best to
[11:12] <Mayday> how the h*ll do one join rosetta? i clicked on register and got an email, but when i go to the url i get in the mail im forwarded to http://notready.ubuntu.com/
[11:12] <apokryphos> dmoyne: that'll sort out all the things you need for 3.4 etc.
[11:12] <Mayday> is it invite only or something?
[11:12] <dmoyne> I did select the packages with synaptic and they were logically proposed
[11:12] <glguy> has anyone been able to successfully use evolution 2.2 to send or receieve mail?
[11:13] <Natham> arrggh NFS dont work i still got Accese denied
[11:13] <apokryphos> dmoyne: which packages? Doing just kubuntu-desktop is much easier, suffice it to say.
[11:13] <Mayday> glguy: i use evo 2.2 daily
[11:13] <glguy> Mayday: I'm guessing not with it's Microsoft Exchange server capabilities
[11:14] <Mayday> happy to say no
[11:15] <dmoyne> ok next question what to do at boot to be in console mode at the end of the boot session ?
[11:15] <tahorg> dmoyne: single mode
[11:16] <dmoyne> ok I leave Mandrake from whrer I use kopete to write this and try what you said ; thanks
[11:16] <Natham> somebodie can help me with NFS??
[11:17] <thoreauputic_> Natham: NFS requires some configuration - do you have nfs-kernel-server and nfs-common installed?
[11:17] <Natham> yes thoreauputic_
[11:18] <thoreauputic_> hmm I used to have a bookmark for a howto.. hang on
[11:19] <thoreauputic_> Natham: http://nfs.sourceforge.net/nfs-howto/server.html
[11:19] <KING^^^> how can i erase this ? : rm: cannot remove `hlm-bia.r00': Read-only file system
[11:19] <thoreauputic_> Natham: /etc/exports is the most important file
[11:20] <Natham> ok
[11:20] <thoreauputic_> KING^^^: you can't, it says "read only"
[11:20] <KING^^^> and how i make it not to be read only
[11:20] <Natham> where machine 1, can i put the ip?
[11:21] <thoreauputic_> Natham: portmap is also crucial, and of course /etc/fstab, and /etc/hosts.allow , /etc/hosts.deny
[11:21] <Slackman> hi guys, i have a wireless router which automagically gives me an dns entry in resolv.conf... however i can't change this dns on the router
[11:21] <thoreauputic_> KING^^^: what file system is the file on?
[11:22] <Anton2> Natham: yes, you can use ip adr.
[11:22] <Slackman> and i was wondering how i tell ubuntu to keep my old one
[11:22] <KING^^^> ntfs i think
[11:22] <thoreauputic_> KING^^^: writing to ntfs is not supported in linux
[11:23] <thoreauputic_> KING^^^: basically, you run the risk of trashing the system
[11:23] <Bubbling_Zombie> thoreauputic_, not even in the most recent kernel?
[11:23] <Bwl> Slackman: Hmm, maybe could change the resolv.conf to read-only
[11:23] <thoreauputic_> Bubbling_Zombie: there's a thing called "captive" you can use, but it's ... experimental
[11:24] <Bubbling_Zombie> ah, right
[11:24] <KING^^^> so thoreauputic_ you mean that i can't download anything in there ? on that partition ?
[11:24] <Bubbling_Zombie> k
[11:24] <thoreauputic_> Bubbling_Zombie: as in, don't blame anyobe when it breaks
[11:24] <Bubbling_Zombie> k, learned something new today ;)
[11:24] <Slackman> Bwl: yeh but thing is...its only MY wlan that has a sucky dhcp server....if i go to other wlans i want to be able to use their DNS in case it has local dns info
[11:24] <thoreauputic_> KING^^^: you can't *write* to it - so no, you can't save files to it
[11:24] <thoreauputic_> not directly
[11:25] <Slackman> Bwl: i just don't want it to overwrite the whole file
[11:25] <Slackman> only appent
[11:25] <Slackman> append*
[11:25] <Slackman> if thats possible
[11:25] <chillywilly> when I save a file to my desktop nautilus does not refresh right away and show it like it used to, anyway experience this problem?
[11:26] <chillywilly> also, my network connections do not show up on my desktop like they used to either but you can see them in the file picker widget
[11:27] <chillywilly> if I open the Desktop folder and then explicitly refresh then I can see files on my desktop that I put there...weird
[11:28] <Bwl> Slackman: well, you can add a more complex script using ifupdown .. check /usr/share/doc/ifupdown. Don't forget to disable the management of the card from the ubuntu/GNOME network settings dialog.
[11:28] <chillywilly> is there some gconf setting I need to turn on maybe?
[11:28] <thoreauputic_> chillywilly: check if fam is running
[11:28] <thoreauputic_> "file alteration monitor"
[11:29] <chillywilly> ok
[11:29] <thoreauputic_> ps aux | grep famd
[11:29] <chillywilly> nope
[11:29] <Slackman> Bwl: hmm...maybe i can get the gnome network thingo to do it for me...
[11:29] <chillywilly> why would that not be installed with ubunut-desktop meta package?
[11:29] <chillywilly> ubuntu
[11:29] <Slackman> Bwl: coz you can set up locations....
[11:30] <Slackman> Bwl: so i wonder if for one of the locations....Home...i can just tell it not to use dhcp...is that possible?
[11:30] <thoreauputic_> sudo /etc/init.d/fam restart
[11:30] <Bwl> Slackman: sure, static ip then
[11:30] <chillywilly> installing fam wants to rip a shit ton of packages out
[11:30] <chillywilly> thoreauputic_: dude I don't even have it installed...must be broken in hoary or something
[11:31] <thoreauputic_> chillywilly: ah - this is hoary ?
[11:31] <chillywilly> yea
[11:31] <thoreauputic_> chillywilly: might use something else
[11:31] <dazed||lap> hey can anyone help me create a launcher for a program...i cant find where to do it in nautilus
[11:31] <Anton2> chillywilly: You may be using gamin instead (in Hoary)
[11:31] <thoreauputic_> chillywilly: I have warty
[11:31] <chillywilly> ok
[11:31] <[-Soultrance-] > is there a way to tell if I am using warty or hoary ? I Just updated to hoary but I don't think it worked for some reason
[11:31] <sandino> Slackman are you a slackware user ?
[11:31] <chillywilly> /usr/lib/gamin/gam_server
[11:31] <chillywilly> seems to be running
[11:32] <thoreauputic_> gamin - that's what I was trying to remember! thanks Anton2
[11:32] <chillywilly> doesn't seem to work very well though
[11:32] <Slackman> sandino: well as wellas an ubuntu user yes
[11:32] <chillywilly> :)
[11:32] <sandino> cool
[11:32] <Slackman> sandino: just my other nick is still logged on at work :)
[11:32] <Natham> ok i read the doc, and my NFS dont work
[11:32] <Natham> permision denied
[11:33] <Slackman> sandino: use ubuntu on my ibook. =) much quicker than osx
[11:33] <thoreauputic_> Natham: well, it isn't working because you've misconfigured it - try again
[11:33] <Natham> ok
[11:33] <sandino> i like the fact that ubuntu has a great gnome, but im not really into the the whole apt thing. i have slackware on 2 laptops.
[11:34] <mirco> slackman: have you ever attached an external monitor to your ibook
[11:34] <Slackman> mirco: well now that you mention it, i tried the other day with an AV connector ...had no freaking idea how to get it to work
[11:34] <neighborlee> can 66 updates a day ~ be expected during hoary preview release ? ( just wondering as this seems heavy)
[11:34] <sandino> also the fact that you can install something other than osx is great
[11:35] <glguy> what do i have to do to play .wmv files in Ubuntu...I'm not sure what package to install
[11:35] <mirco> have you ATI or NVidia grafix
[11:35] <sandino> glguy mlayer
[11:35] <sandino> mplayer
[11:35] <da5id_> try marillat repository mplayer @glguy
[11:35] <Slackman> sandino: yeh i am so glad ubuntu came out for ppc...i tried debian but couldn't get my damn monitor to work
[11:35] <Xappe> on my ibook is osx now history...at least til I have to return it to my fathers company
[11:36] <Xappe> *osx is
[11:36] <Slackman> mirco: ati...its a 7500 i think
[11:36] <mirco> glguy on pure debian there's a pckg called w32codecs
[11:36] <Slackman> Xappe: yeh once hoary comes out i think i can scrap osx too...my gf still needs to be able to configure stuff like the wireless router
[11:36] <Slackman> Xappe: without using CLI
[11:37] <sandino> i have osx  running through pearpc on my slackware; also vmware with xp . just because.. :P
[11:37] <Slackman> Xappe: hoary can do that though
[11:37] <mirco> I'm playing the whole eve to get my ext 17" TFT to work, but all i get is a VGA screen without a mouse
[11:37] <Slackman> sandino: well done...thats impressive
[11:37] <mirco> I read so many howto's tried several xorg.conf options but it won't work
[11:37] <sandino> Slackman yeah well just so i can play with it.. it isnt obviously full osx control..
[11:37] <Slackman> mirco: you got further than i did
[11:38] <Xappe> slackman, the only things that bugs me with the ibook and hoary is that it runs quite hot, and that suspend to ram is not working (it won't wake up)
[11:38] <Slackman> sandino: which version of slack and which version of vmware? i had alot of trouble with everything but beta 5 on slack 10.1
[11:39] <mirco> sandino: pear was my firts macos contact very nice project, but since they lost one of their main programer's in an accident it's stuck
[11:39] <Slackman> Xappe: yeh that bugs me too..although mine isn't really hot at all
[11:39] <Slackman> Xappe: but i upgraded to 2.6.11 and now it don't sleep
[11:39] <Slackman> the screen just blanks
[11:39] <Slackman> and thats it
[11:40] <mirco> xappe: either install benh 2.6.9 or use the hoary 2.6.10 on the 14" it works
[11:40] <Xappe> Slackman, mine is a g3, and it sleeps, but does not wake up again
[11:40] <thoreauputic_> Natham: this is mainly what I followed:  http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/NFS-HOWTO/
[11:40] <Slackman> mirco: nah still a bug with the ibooks.... mine is a g3 too
[11:40] <sandino> mirco wow, thats awful, fatal .?
[11:40] <thoreauputic_> Natham: you might find that link more useful
[11:40] <Slackman> i had the same problem on 2.6.10
[11:40] <mirco> xappe: and you can give the thermal modul params to start the Vent's earlier
[11:40] <Xappe> Slackman, and that's with 2.6.10
[11:41] <Slackman> Xappe: yeh i know...i had / have the exact same problem
[11:41] <glguy> screw it. I'll browse ebaumsworld in windows
[11:41] <sandino> Slackman all versions of slack.. i had no issues with vmware
[11:41] <Slackman> sandino: what version of vmware?
[11:41] <sandino> glguy dude get mplayer
[11:41] <glguy> sandino: i did
[11:41] <sandino> Slackman any version
[11:41] <sandino> glguy what happened
[11:41] <Xappe> Slackman, mirco, do you think 45 - 52C hdd temperature is way too high, or is it ok?
[11:41] <glguy> sandino: it gave me some bull about not working with the -vo
[11:41] <Slackman> sandino: hrm...interesting..
[11:42] <glguy> sandino: so i changed from xv to no xv, or whatever those two choices are
[11:42] <mirco> sandino: do you have an sources.list entry to run mplayer on powerpc
[11:42] <glguy> sandino: slightly different error, same no playback
[11:42] <sandino> glguy did you compile? did you create a dir for  codecs ..? did you dload thier codecs ?
[11:42] <Slackman> Xappe: where did you get the actual temp from... coz i was just going on what i felt under the slaptop :)
[11:42] <mirco> without compiling myself
[11:42] <da5id_> -vo aa
[11:42] <da5id_> :)
[11:42] <glguy> sandino: I've never had to do that in other linux's, it just seems like its creating a lot of work right now, an di just want to laugh at funny videos
[11:42] <Xappe> Slackman, hddtemp (you can just apt-get it)
[11:42] <glguy> :)
[11:43] <Slackman> Xappe: cool
[11:43] <sandino> mirco no idea about mplayer on ppc. i hope i didnt accidently imply that
[11:43] <LeeColleton> the Apple bluetooth filebrowser is a great feature.  Is there anything similar on Ubuntu?
[11:44] <Tyche> I want to give my user root access without having to do sudo...how can I do that?
[11:44] <[-Soultrance-] > grrr
[11:44] <Xappe> Slackman, I would be intrested to hear what your hdd is running at...mine is 46C right now after almost idling a couple of hours
[11:44] <Slackman> Xappe: using gkrellm to get the temp once the daemon is running?
[11:44] <[-Soultrance-] > I updated all my nvidia drivers and I STILL can't get above 1024x768 res
[11:44] <da5id_> sudo su @Tyche
[11:44] <[-Soultrance-] > anyone know how I can ?
[11:45] <Xappe> Slackman, i just do a sudo hddtemp /dev/hda (no need for daemon mode)
[11:45] <garrut> check your xorg.conf?
[11:45] <[-Soultrance-] > don't have one
[11:45] <[-Soultrance-] > have the XF86Config-4
[11:45] <Slackman> Xappe: i don't have hddtemp apparently..
[11:46] <apokryphos> [-Soultrance-] : well, change that one then. Are you on Warty?
[11:46] <[-Soultrance-] > and I changed it how ubuntu guide says for the driver, restarted everything, the driver is in there and such, but I can't up the res
[11:46] <Xappe> Slackman: apt-get install hddtemp
[11:46] <[-Soultrance-] > I thought I just upgraded to hoary, but since I don't have the xorg I assume something didn't work out
[11:46] <Slackman> Xappe: already done that
[11:46] <Slackman> Xappe: the daemon IS running
[11:46] <[-Soultrance-] > unless I screwed up
[11:46] <apokryphos> [-Soultrance-] : not necessarily
[11:46] <Xappe> Slackman, what does it say?
[11:46] <Slackman> Xappe: odd..i ran updatedb and now it finds it :)
[11:46] <oris_wolfbane> hey room
[11:47] <Xappe> Slackman, ok :)
[11:47] <evilbutters> Whats a good Bittorent Program for Warty?
[11:47] <apokryphos> [-Soultrance-] : did the installation go fine? Waht does cat /etc/issue give?
[11:47] <Slackman> Xappe: 44 degrees atm
[11:47] <apokryphos> evilbutters: well, Azureus is very good.
[11:47] <[-Soultrance-] > would dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 make a diff?
[11:47] <Slackman> Xappe: how do i find what it is in OSX?
[11:47] <farruinn|work> evilbutters: azureus is good, but bittorrent-gui is functional
[11:47] <[-Soultrance-] > says hoary
[11:47] <[-Soultrance-] > 5.04 hoary
[11:47] <apokryphos> [-Soultrance-] : download xorg, then.
[11:47] <apokryphos> repositories
[11:47] <[-Soultrance-] > thanks btw, I was wanting to figure out how to determine that
[11:48] <Natham> warty has a bug with NFS?
[11:48] <Xappe> Slackman, ok. in osx I just felt the temp with my hand
[11:48] <Natham> i restarted the sistem and everythig perfect
[11:48] <[-Soultrance-] > sudo apt-get install xorg ? that work?
[11:48] <Tyche> anyone running kismet on their machine?
[11:48] <Slackman> Xappe: ah...yeh well it doesn't seem hotter hand wise than osx...
[11:48] <Xappe> ok, then I guess it's ok
[11:48] <farruinn|work> [-Soultrance-] : if you install ubuntu-desktop it will pull in all the necessary dependencies
[11:48] <Slackman> Xappe: also i am using reiserFS...don't know if that makes a diff
[11:48] <[-Soultrance-] > k
[11:48] <apokryphos> [-Soultrance-] : sudo apt-get install xorg-common should
[11:49] <Xappe> Slackman, I have no osx to compare with anymore
[11:49] <zenrox> no its apt-get install xserver-xorg
[11:49] <apokryphos> zenrox: will xorg-common not pull in xserver-xorg?
[11:49] <zenrox> err sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg
[11:49] <zenrox> nope
[11:49] <sandino> also checkout qtorrent thegraveyard.org
[11:49] <Tyche> FATAL: Unable to set up pidfile /var/run//kismet_server.pid, unlink() failed: Permission denied
[11:49] <Slackman> mirco: hey when you  get the second monitor working can you tell me how you did it
[11:50] <mirco> Tyche: I have it installed, but could'nt figure out how to configure it
[11:50] <apokryphos> zenrox: ok, thanks.
[11:50] <mirco> slackman: no prob
[11:50] <[-Soultrance-] > okay, try zen's way
[11:50] <Tyche> micro: So you are in the same boat that I am...
[11:50] <mirco> looks like
[11:51] <mirco> but my Dual-Monitor has higher priority
[11:51] <zenrox> [-Soultrance-] , then read www.ubuntuguide.org for nvidia drivers
[11:51] <[-Soultrance-] > I already have the driver installed
[11:51] <[-Soultrance-] > I guess I'll have to edit the xorg file though after this
[11:51] <zenrox> just make shure thay are enabled then
[11:52] <apokryphos> [-Soultrance-] : I think it'll automatically make you reconfigure your x
[11:52] <Slackman> Xappe: also how have you got your right mouse button set up?
[11:52] <zenrox> if not the do sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:52] <[-Soultrance-] > xserver-xorg installs a fair bit of stuff
[11:52] <apokryphos> [-Soultrance-] : it's needed
[11:52] <[-Soultrance-] > k
[11:53] <zenrox> and slect nvidia and uncheck dri then save
[11:53] <apokryphos> [-Soultrance-] : If it doesn't automatically reconfigure x, run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:53] <[-Soultrance-] > thanks a load you guys, I'm sure I'll be back whining to you all in a sec :P
[11:53] <zenrox> lol
[11:53] <Xappe> Slackman, nah. I use the default (F12)
[11:53] <[-Soultrance-] > all this just to change my res
[11:53] <[-Soultrance-] > shit
[11:53] <HrdwrBoB> [-Soultrance-] : the is moreso a driver issue
[11:54] <zenrox> yep
[11:54] <[-Soultrance-] > yeah, I had the feeling it would b
[11:54] <HrdwrBoB> to change your resolution there is a simple application
[11:54] <apokryphos> [-Soultrance-] : not just; you could have done it with xfree. Xorg is superior, though.
[11:54] <Slackman> Xappe: damn...trying to get it so i can do the ctrl+click to get right mouse....
[11:54] <[-Soultrance-] > yeah, that app just doesn't have the res I want :P
[11:54] <Slackman> Xappe: have you seen gtkpbuttons for the light and sound buttons?
[11:55] <Xappe> Slackman, yep. quite nice with some graphics to it
[11:56] <Slackman> Xappe: yeh i actually like it better than the one is OSX
[11:56] <Slackman> crystal anyway
[11:57] <Xappe> i got rid of osx quite fast when I realized it was 10.1.4
[11:57] <Xappe> and that it was horribly slow
[11:58] <cmoreno8> has anybody installed j2sdk_1.5 of Sun??
[11:59] <keffoo> www.ubuntuguide.org
[11:59] <Slackman> Xappe: yeh i have 10.3 but compared to linux it feels like walking through mud
[11:59] <IrcUsr> the memory footprint using the live cd is 250Mb, is this normal?
[11:59] <thoreauputic_> IrcUsr: erm - it's using a ramdisk, so I'd say so, yeah