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| zul | its usually quiet tonight | 03:23 |
| crimsun | yes, it is usually quiet ;-) | 03:24 |
| zul | er...UNusually | 03:24 |
| jbailey | Most of the usual culprits are testing the array stuff. I'm completing an install so that I can test md stuff. | 03:33 |
| crimsun | I'm tackling a weird usb sound issues and trying to push through the rest of the Python 2.4 transition | 03:33 |
| crimsun | issue, rather | 03:33 |
| zul | what sound issue? | 03:34 |
| crimsun | a disconnect issue that was fixed in -28 via the alsa patch | 03:34 |
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| zul | https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelBazNotes | 03:50 |
| crimsun | register-archive, no? | 03:52 |
| crimsun | (updated) | 03:52 |
| zul | oh crap...i think i should go to beed soon | 03:52 |
| zul | yes..bed.. | 03:52 |
| zul | hmmm...lets see what rhel 4 have | 04:01 |
| zul | later | 04:13 |
| fabbione | morning | 06:06 |
| lamont | morning fabbione | 06:58 |
| fabbione | hey lamont | 06:59 |
| svenl | fabbione: ARG. | 07:54 |
| fabbione | svenl: ? | 07:54 |
| svenl | fabbione: i forgot to remove the non-powerpc configs yesterday, and it has not finished building :/ | 07:55 |
| fabbione | ah ok | 07:55 |
| svenl | (its at power4-smp though) | 07:55 |
| svenl | fabbione: did you get my email ? | 07:55 |
| fabbione | don't worry.. i am already building on our buildd | 07:55 |
| fabbione | yes i did | 07:55 |
| svenl | fabbione: with my patch ? | 07:55 |
| svenl | patches even ? | 07:55 |
| fabbione | i am buildining only the driver patches | 07:55 |
| fabbione | not the initrd thingy | 07:55 |
| svenl | fabbione: why not both ? | 07:55 |
| fabbione | because i need to test one thing at a time :-) | 07:56 |
| fabbione | and see if one of them break | 07:56 |
| === svenl don't get it what you all have against the mkinitrd support thingy ? | ||
| fabbione | it makes it easier for me | 07:56 |
| svenl | fabbione: bah. | 07:56 |
| fabbione | svenl: i will add it immediatly after this build cycle | 07:56 |
| fabbione | it's not an upload | 07:56 |
| fabbione | + everything is ccached | 07:57 |
| fabbione | it takes only 30 minutes or so to build * | 07:57 |
| fabbione | i promised to look at both of them | 07:57 |
| fabbione | and i am doing it | 07:57 |
| fabbione | so i don't see what the problem is | 07:57 |
| svenl | fabbione: they are two different things, the driver thingy will build you the modules, while the mkinitrd support thingy will copy stuff into the kernel-image. | 07:57 |
| svenl | i want a build box like yours :) | 07:57 |
| fabbione | i know they are 2 different things. but since we have a policy to do atomic commits | 07:58 |
| === svenl should maybe decide to use the augsbourg 8-way 1.6GHz power5 box for test build :) | ||
| fabbione | i test A and commit A | 07:58 |
| svenl | fabbione: ok. | 07:58 |
| fabbione | i add B -> test B -> commit B | 07:58 |
| fabbione | it is seriously 100 times easier for me | 07:58 |
| fabbione | svenl: that box is nothing special.. the ccache i have is | 07:59 |
| svenl | ok then, you have a fast box anyway. | 07:59 |
| svenl | you have a fast ccache ? | 07:59 |
| fabbione | well i have a fast disk with the ccache already full | 07:59 |
| fabbione | so it becomes fast | 07:59 |
| fabbione | processor : 0 | 08:00 |
| fabbione | cpu : PPC970FX, altivec supported | 08:00 |
| fabbione | clock : 2000MHz | 08:00 |
| fabbione | + 2GB of ram | 08:00 |
| fabbione | and 500 or more GB of disk | 08:00 |
| svenl | fabbione: well, trick has 8GB of ramand who knows how much disk space. | 08:03 |
| svenl | fabbione: saddly we can't use it for upload-related development. | 08:04 |
| fabbione | why not? | 08:04 |
| svenl | we have not full control over the box, so we cannot use it to build packages to upload. | 08:05 |
| fabbione | i see... | 08:05 |
| fabbione | suckage | 08:05 |
| svenl | as soon as i have time, i will use it to do ppc64 kernels though. | 08:05 |
| svenl | and hopefully i will get a virtual cpu on it someday. | 08:06 |
| fabbione | you will need a libc6-64 and gcc-64 first | 08:06 |
| fabbione | doko is working on those afaik | 08:06 |
| svenl | waldi already compiled a biarch toolchain two days ago. | 08:06 |
| fabbione | i know doko had them for a while | 08:06 |
| fabbione | not sure where tho | 08:07 |
| fabbione | but i am sure they have been working together on it | 08:07 |
| svenl | fabbione: just the compiler, but with suse headers. | 08:07 |
| svenl | ok need to go, see you. | 08:07 |
| fabbione | cya | 08:07 |
| svenl | fabbione: i wonder if it is possible to share a ccache cache setup with a chroot ? | 08:17 |
| fabbione | yes it is | 08:21 |
| fabbione | just use a dedicated partition that you mount under .ccache | 08:21 |
| fabbione | and share it between chroots | 08:21 |
| fabbione | it's up to you where you mount it | 08:21 |
| fabbione | you have the env var to define it | 08:21 |
| fabbione | just remember that you need to have the same UID under both the chroots | 08:22 |
| fabbione | Changes by Sven Luther: | 08:38 |
| fabbione | * Fix mv643xx driver for powerpc: | 08:38 |
| fabbione | - Add patches powerpc-mv643xx-enet.dpatch and powerpc-mv643xx-eth-pegasos.dpatch. | 08:38 |
| fabbione | - Obsolete patch marvell-pegasos-2.dpatch. | 08:38 |
| fabbione | svenl: testing the initrd thingy... | 08:42 |
| fabbione | how can i verify that it actually did something? | 08:42 |
| svenl | fabbione: do you have a /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-powerpc ? | 09:11 |
| fabbione | svenl: i will in a short time.. | 09:11 |
| fabbione | it's building with the mkwhatever patch | 09:11 |
| svenl | fabbione: what version of mkvmlkinuz do you have ? | 09:27 |
| fabbione | the one you have sent to me via email | 09:31 |
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| svenl | fabbione: the mkvmlinuz package, not the patch ? | 09:50 |
| fabbione | no idea.... | 09:51 |
| fabbione | let me check | 09:51 |
| fabbione | 12 | 09:52 |
| fabbione | but it is not installed | 09:52 |
| fabbione | is it required as build-dep? | 09:52 |
| svenl | can you get mkvmlinuz 13 instead ? | 09:59 |
| svenl | altough not sure, it is more cosmetic. | 09:59 |
| fabbione | no | 09:59 |
| fabbione | we are in UVF | 09:59 |
| fabbione | and that package is in main | 09:59 |
| svenl | mkvmlinuz 13 installs a postinst hook which asks the user. | 09:59 |
| svenl | fabbione: ok. | 09:59 |
| svenl | no problem, you don't really need mkvmlinuz, and it is just dead code right now. | 10:00 |
| fabbione | ok | 10:00 |
| svenl | but make sure you mention this to me post-release as there will be some things to check, which may not be identic in debian and in ubuntu. | 10:01 |
| svenl | version 13, it asks for a debconf variable, if you want to use mkvmlinuz to create the vmlinuz kernel, nothing more. | 10:01 |
| svenl | (and adds support for 2.4 kernel, but you don't care about this). | 10:01 |
| fabbione | svenl: after a release, a script is executed to sync * from unstable | 10:02 |
| fabbione | so we will see what is in unstable after hoary | 10:02 |
| svenl | fabbione: version 13 is in testing. | 10:03 |
| svenl | fabbione: when will you have the package for me to test ? | 10:10 |
| fabbione | svenl: it doesn't matter if it is in testing or not | 10:14 |
| fabbione | we are too close to release to get a new upstream version | 10:14 |
| fabbione | and i am quite busy right now.... | 10:14 |
| fabbione | i will let you know when they are ready | 10:14 |
| svenl | fabbione: i said it is in testing, so we will have at least that in unstable after hoary. | 10:16 |
| fabbione | http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/ppc-diff | 10:17 |
| fabbione | this is the output of debdiff | 10:17 |
| fabbione | first deb is the old | 10:17 |
| fabbione | second deb is the patched one | 10:17 |
| svenl | Mmm. | 10:17 |
| svenl | the script removes the .coff. | 10:18 |
| fabbione | i don't like the fact that the /boot/vmlinux.coff-2.6.10-5-powerpc has been removed | 10:18 |
| svenl | I am not sure you want that, but i seriously doubt you are interested in the .coff. | 10:18 |
| fabbione | and it installs in kernel-image | 10:18 |
| fabbione | while it whould be linux-image | 10:18 |
| svenl | yep, but this is only because kernel-package is years outdated. | 10:18 |
| fabbione | uh? | 10:18 |
| svenl | fabbione: you can generate the .coff with mkvmlinuz if you really want. | 10:19 |
| svenl | fabbione: the .coff is something that predates both quik and yaboot. | 10:19 |
| svenl | fabbione: nobody uses it anymore. | 10:19 |
| fabbione | svenl: well i am not going to break ppc. we can remove it AFTER hoary | 10:19 |
| svenl | and like said, you can spare yourself the 1-2MB * 6 of space, since mkvmlinuz allows you to generate it. | 10:19 |
| svenl | fabbione: please ask Kamion first, but you can comment out one line in postinst-install.powerpc to keep it. | 10:20 |
| svenl | fabbione: but seriously, the .coff thingy is for a kernel which can be booted on oldworld pmacs through the serial console. | 10:20 |
| fabbione | http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/ | 10:20 |
| fabbione | the images are there | 10:20 |
| svenl | fabbione: do you really envision a ubuntu/powerpc user doing that ? | 10:20 |
| fabbione | svenl: listen.. i don't need to know all the history of ppc | 10:20 |
| fabbione | and i don't really care | 10:20 |
| fabbione | right now i have 2 problems: | 10:21 |
| fabbione | 1) do not break the kernel | 10:21 |
| svenl | fabbione: ok, fine with you, just uncoment the line, ok ? | 10:21 |
| fabbione | 2) fix major bug fixes | 10:21 |
| fabbione | svenl: please just update the patch and send it to me | 10:21 |
| svenl | fabbione: it is just cruft because kenrel-package was never updates since ages. | 10:21 |
| fabbione | oh perfect | 10:21 |
| fabbione | ops | 10:21 |
| svenl | fabbione: come on. | 10:21 |
| fabbione | ECHAN | 10:21 |
| fabbione | that was for Jane | 10:21 |
| svenl | edit postinst-install.powerpc, and put a # before the line which says rm .... .coff. | 10:22 |
| svenl | fabbione: do you really want a patch from me ? | 10:22 |
| fabbione | ok done | 10:23 |
| fabbione | and changed the thing to linux- | 10:23 |
| svenl | fabbione: that said, mdz mentioned space problems on the powerpc isos, so i would check before removing this. | 10:23 |
| svenl | it may well be worth it to save almost 10MB of archive space, not sure. | 10:24 |
| svenl | but then you can always uncoment the line later on. | 10:24 |
| fabbione | Victor Ferns <victor.ferns@standardbank.com> <- right? | 10:25 |
| fabbione | AMEN | 10:25 |
| fabbione | i am too busy now... | 10:25 |
| svenl | fabbione: mmm, come to think of it, there is no chance of the .coff kernel being usefull, since it doesn't include the initrd,. | 10:25 |
| fabbione | i need to do one thing at a time... | 10:25 |
| svenl | fabbione: ok. | 10:25 |
| svenl | fabbione: no problem. | 10:25 |
| svenl | fabbione: do you want me to mention this to Kamion/mdz and ask them if it is worthwhile ? | 10:25 |
| fabbione | yes please | 10:25 |
| fabbione | i am not the ppc porter | 10:26 |
| svenl | Ok, will do. | 10:26 |
| svenl | hehe. | 10:26 |
| fabbione | i need people to work on it | 10:26 |
| fabbione | without me | 10:26 |
| svenl | post-hoary i may take over that job for kernel stuff maybe. | 10:26 |
| svenl | fabbione: ok, installed the kernel and rebooting, i generated the mkvmlinuz kernel, will try to boot it directly. | 10:42 |
| svenl | fabbione: rebooted kernel worked. | 10:43 |
| svenl | mmm, i think we didn't enable the config option for the marvell gigabit ethernet driver :/ | 10:43 |
| fabbione | yes we did | 10:44 |
| fabbione | the driver is there | 10:44 |
| fabbione | or did they changed again? | 10:45 |
| svenl | fabbione: well, i think it doesn't get autoloaded by hotplug. | 10:45 |
| svenl | mmm. | 10:45 |
| fabbione | that is something that was fixed in the marvel-pegagos2.dpatch | 10:46 |
| svenl | fabbione: ah, will look at the patch, this means we need an additional patching step. | 10:46 |
| svenl | you sure ? I just looked at the marvel-pegasos2 dpatch from .27, and there is nothing in there relative to hotplug ? | 10:50 |
| fabbione | no i am not sure | 10:51 |
| svenl | fabbione: can i access the kernel's changes list or something ? | 10:53 |
| fabbione | svenl: there is no kernel changes list | 10:53 |
| fabbione | we have 2 ml | 10:53 |
| fabbione | kernel-team and kernel-bugs | 10:53 |
| svenl | fabbione: the one from the revision system repo (arch i think). | 10:54 |
| fabbione | the latter collects all the stuff from the bug reports | 10:54 |
| fabbione | there is none... | 10:54 |
| fabbione | we don't have a ml with changes | 10:54 |
| fabbione | there is only the repo | 10:54 |
| fabbione | at the URL in /topic | 10:54 |
| svenl | fabbione: i mean the arch equivalent to svn log. | 10:54 |
| fabbione | svenl: yes. you can access it doing a baz get of the archive in /topic | 10:55 |
| svenl | baz ? | 10:55 |
| fabbione | or tla | 10:56 |
| fabbione | doesn't matter | 10:56 |
| svenl | http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/Archives/kernel-team@ubuntu.com--2005/ this one ? | 10:56 |
| fabbione | yes. register THAT archive | 10:56 |
| fabbione | and get the branch pre29 in topic | 10:56 |
| svenl | mmm, need a crash course in tla :/ | 11:07 |
| svenl | damn, all that and the module doesn't seem to work as it should :/ | 11:13 |
| svenl | fabbione: no need to do an upload, i need to fix it first, and get the hotplug stuff worked out. | 11:14 |
| fabbione | i am not going to upload until it is fixed | 11:14 |
| svenl | ok. | 11:14 |
| svenl | this will need more backport work, will not do this until this evening or tomorrow. | 11:15 |
| svenl | fabbione: what tla command do you use to do the checkout ? | 11:15 |
| fabbione | did you register the archive first? | 11:16 |
| svenl | fabbione: i never used tla. | 11:16 |
| fabbione | http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-kernel-2005-03-15.html | 11:17 |
| fabbione | svenl: read there what lamont told to zul | 11:17 |
| fabbione | you should be able to do s/baz/tla/ | 11:18 |
| svenl | fabbione: thanks. | 11:24 |
| svenl | fabbione: i am baffled, the driver works fine on 2.6.11, but fails in 2.6.10, need to look in details. | 11:24 |
| svenl | mmm, didn't work | 11:28 |
| svenl | tla make-archive tla-archive/luther@debian.org--2005 | 11:28 |
| svenl | usage: tla make-archive [options] [name] location | 11:29 |
| svenl | i am baffled. | 11:29 |
| svenl | later though, need to go now. | 11:29 |
| fabbione | svenl: just look at tla register-archive and tla get | 11:29 |
| fabbione | you don't need to create your own archive | 11:29 |
| fabbione | otherwise install bazaar | 11:29 |
| fabbione | and make your life simpler | 11:29 |
| svenl | $ tla register-archive http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/Archives/kernel-team@ubuntu.com--2005 | 11:30 |
| svenl | arch_archive_connect: attempt to connect to incompatible archive | 11:30 |
| fabbione | than you need baz | 11:30 |
| svenl | oh well, will try again later. | 11:30 |
| svenl | baz is in ubuntu/hoary, right ? | 11:30 |
| fabbione | yes afaik it is also in debian | 11:30 |
| svenl | E: Couldn't find package baz | 11:30 |
| fabbione | package bazaar | 11:30 |
| svenl | no it doesn't seem to be. | 11:30 |
| svenl | oh, ok. | 11:30 |
| fabbione | svenl: can you give me the changelog entry so i can commit the changes? | 12:58 |
| svenl | fabbione: added support files for mkvmlinuz | 12:59 |
| svenl | or do you want something more formal or more complete ? | 12:59 |
| svenl | maybe "mkvmlinuz support files added" even. | 12:59 |
| svenl | or mkvmlinuz support files added (Sven Luther) | 01:00 |
| svenl | don't know what the policy is. | 01:00 |
| fabbione | + * Add support files for mkvmlinuz. | 01:00 |
| fabbione | same as X | 01:00 |
| fabbione | imperative form | 01:00 |
| fabbione | or whatever is called | 01:00 |
| svenl | Ok. | 01:01 |
| svenl | what about attribution ? | 01:01 |
| fabbione | you are already credited :-) | 01:01 |
| fabbione | dude.... | 01:01 |
| svenl | ok, cool. | 01:01 |
| fabbione | i am NOT a PUNKASS! | 01:01 |
| svenl | just curious. | 01:01 |
| fabbione | Changes by Sven Luther: | 01:01 |
| fabbione | * Fix mv643xx driver for powerpc: | 01:01 |
| fabbione | - Add patches powerpc-mv643xx-enet.dpatch and powerpc-mv643xx-eth-pegasos.dpatch. | 01:01 |
| fabbione | - Obsolete patch marvell-pegasos-2.dpatch. | 01:01 |
| fabbione | * Add support files for mkvmlinuz. | 01:01 |
| fabbione | + some spaces that IRC cuts away | 01:01 |
| svenl | hehe. | 01:02 |
| fabbione | i do always respect credits | 01:02 |
| fabbione | if i miss one it's for a mistake | 01:02 |
| svenl | quite verboser than the debian changelog format, but hey. | 01:02 |
| fabbione | i am paranoid on changelog | 01:02 |
| svenl | well, the debian kernel changelog adopted the other form, because Jens vetoed the above (or rather d-i) format | 01:03 |
| svenl | claimed it did loose ordering of changes. | 01:04 |
| fabbione | that's because he has no clue on how to use a RCS | 01:05 |
| svenl | fabbione: bah, he is inactive now anyway. | 01:05 |
| fabbione | if you know how to use an RCS properly, there is no need to preserve the order of changes in the changelog | 01:06 |
| svenl | fabbione: provided all users who are interested need to know how to handle said RCS properly and have access too. | 01:06 |
| svenl | fabbione: i did the baz registering, how is the baz get done ? | 01:06 |
| fabbione | baz get kernel-team@ubuntu.com--2005/kernel-debian--pre29--2.6.10 debian | 01:07 |
| fabbione | it will get the archive for the debian/ dir | 01:07 |
| fabbione | since it's the only one under rcs | 01:07 |
| svenl | thanks, altough i doubt the hotplug patch was ever included, i think. | 01:08 |
| fabbione | afaik adding hotplug support is very simple | 01:09 |
| fabbione | you need a table and one export of a function | 01:09 |
| fabbione | pretty simple | 01:09 |
| fabbione | just check how other drivers do that | 01:09 |
| svenl | yep. | 01:09 |
| svenl | fabbione: but the mv643xx_eth driver is not a pci driver, so ... | 01:10 |
| svenl | fabbione: how do i check the log or changeset of a file in baz ? | 01:10 |
| fabbione | baz help | 01:10 |
| fabbione | logs : list patch logs for a version in a project tree | 01:11 |
| fabbione | baz logs --summary | 01:11 |
| fabbione | for the short logs | 01:12 |
| svenl | WARNING: no rule found for checking signatures from kernel-team@ubuntu.com--2005 | 01:17 |
| svenl | Consider creating ~/.arch-params/signing/kernel-team@ubuntu.com--2005.check | 01:17 |
| svenl | or ~/.arch-params/signing/=default.check | 01:17 |
| svenl | PANIC: Unhandled arguments. Did you forget to use -r or -d? | 01:17 |
| svenl | its not helpfull, and baz help seems pretty useless to me :/ | 01:17 |
| svenl | mmm, | 01:18 |
| === svenl guesses baz/tla don't allows to do per file logs like subversion does. | ||
| fabbione | svenl: hold on.. you need to files to allow gpg checking of each commit | 01:19 |
| fabbione | cat ~/.arch-params/signing/\=\=default.check | 01:20 |
| fabbione | gpg --verify-files - | 01:20 |
| fabbione | cat ~/.arch-params/signing/kernel-team@ubuntu.com--2005 | 01:21 |
| fabbione | gpg --default-key 63549F8E --clearsign | 01:21 |
| fabbione | of course you need to change the keyid | 01:21 |
| fabbione | but you don't have commit access on our repo | 01:21 |
| fabbione | so it's kinda pointless | 01:22 |
| svenl | yep. | 01:22 |
| svenl | let's forget it. | 01:22 |
| svenl | for now. | 01:22 |
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| svenl | about hotplug, do you have a hint of the name of the structure or whatever ? | 01:30 |
| fabbione | svenl: just check any other driver | 01:30 |
| fabbione | it's a table with the pci ids | 01:30 |
| fabbione | almost impossible to miss | 01:30 |
| svenl | something like this : | 01:34 |
| svenl | static struct pci_device_id rhine_pci_tbl[] = | 01:34 |
| svenl | { | 01:34 |
| svenl | {0x1106, 0x3043, PCI_ANY_ID, PCI_ANY_ID, 0, 0, }, /* VT86C100A */ | 01:34 |
| svenl | {0x1106, 0x3065, PCI_ANY_ID, PCI_ANY_ID, 0, 0, }, /* VT6102 */ | 01:34 |
| svenl | {0x1106, 0x3106, PCI_ANY_ID, PCI_ANY_ID, 0, 0, }, /* 6105{,L,LOM} */ | 01:34 |
| svenl | {0x1106, 0x3053, PCI_ANY_ID, PCI_ANY_ID, 0, 0, }, /* VT6105M */ | 01:34 |
| svenl | { } /* terminate list */ | 01:34 |
| fabbione | yes | 01:34 |
| svenl | }; | 01:34 |
| fabbione | that is correct | 01:34 |
| svenl | i have such a one for doing a pci_dev_present thingy. | 01:34 |
| fabbione | and there is an export of that table | 01:34 |
| svenl | so the hotplug is either : | 01:35 |
| svenl | MODULE_DEVICE_TABLE(pci, rhine_pci_tbl); | 01:35 |
| fabbione | if you grep for rhine_pci_tbl | 01:35 |
| svenl | or : | 01:35 |
| svenl | static struct pci_driver rhine_driver = { | 01:35 |
| svenl | .name = DRV_NAME, | 01:35 |
| svenl | .id_table = rhine_pci_tbl, | 01:35 |
| svenl | .probe = rhine_init_one, | 01:35 |
| svenl | .remove = __devexit_p(rhine_remove_one), | 01:35 |
| svenl | #ifdef CONFIG_PM | 01:35 |
| fabbione | yeah exactly | 01:35 |
| svenl | .suspend = rhine_suspend, | 01:35 |
| svenl | .resume = rhine_resume, | 01:35 |
| svenl | #endif /* CONFIG_PM */ | 01:35 |
| svenl | .driver = { | 01:35 |
| fabbione | it depends how is the driver | 01:35 |
| svenl | .shutdown = rhine_shutdown, | 01:35 |
| svenl | } | 01:35 |
| svenl | }; | 01:36 |
| svenl | thanks will investigate. | 01:36 |
| fabbione | i know both ways work | 01:36 |
| svenl | fabbione: its a none-pci-driver :/ | 01:36 |
| fabbione | well.. i have no idea of non pci driver | 01:36 |
| svenl | but will ask around, i even know the guy to ask. | 01:36 |
| fabbione | check how it is done in other non-pci drivers | 01:36 |
| svenl | but he is in awake-at-midnight timezone | 01:36 |
| svenl | Mmm, i think it is more complicated because the driver is no pci driver, but i will investigate. | 01:38 |
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| mjg59 | svenl: What sort of driver is it? | 02:10 |
| mjg59 | The .id_table field is used by the kernel at driver load time - it goes through every device in the system, and calls .probe against each device that matches the contents of the table | 02:11 |
| mjg59 | MODULE_DEVICE_TABLE is used to export the information at build time | 02:11 |
| svenl | mjg59: the pegasos marvell northbridge gigabit ethernet driver. It is outside of the pci bus. | 02:11 |
| svenl | mjg59: the driver works, but i need to get hotplug to automatically load it. | 02:11 |
| mjg59 | Right. What sort of driver does it declare itself as being? | 02:11 |
| mjg59 | (As in, what's the type of the struct that contains the .probe and .remove functions) | 02:12 |
| mjg59 | svenl: Which driver is this? mv643xx? | 02:15 |
| mjg59 | If so, it doesn't seem to use the new driver model. There's no way to get it loaded via hotplug. | 02:16 |
| svenl | mv643xx_eth | 02:17 |
| mjg59 | Yeah. It looks like you're out of luck. | 02:18 |
| svenl | mjg59: huh ? | 02:18 |
| svenl | mjg59: well, we can adapt it, where can i find good info on the hotplug infrastructure ? | 02:18 |
| mjg59 | Documentation/driver-model/ | 02:19 |
| svenl | ok, thanks. | 02:20 |
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| zul | hey | 02:26 |
| lamont | morning | 02:50 |
| zul | hey lamont how is it gonig? | 02:51 |
| fabbione | morning lamont | 02:51 |
| zul | hey fabbione | 02:51 |
| fabbione | hi zul | 02:52 |
| fabbione | we can be funny here.. right? | 02:54 |
| zul | of course | 02:54 |
| zul | most of us have a sense of humor except for lamont | 02:54 |
| zul | and maybe jbailey | 02:54 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-kernel:fabbione] : Ubuntu kernel development discussion | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelTeam | check the new abichecker code and GET familiar with it | http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/Archives/kernel-team@ubuntu.com--2005/ kernel-team@ubuntu.com--2005/kernel-debian--pre29--2.6.10 | Get it or http://www.getoffmynuts.com/gallery/images/asys.jpg | ||
| jbailey | zul: I have no sense of humor. I'm Canadian. | 02:55 |
| jbailey | zul: We have a sense of 'humour'. | 02:55 |
| zul | jbailey: well excuse me i went to an american high school | 02:56 |
| zul | fabbione: lol | 02:56 |
| === lamont makes it back around to this channel, whaps zul with wet noodles | ||
| lamont | ENOTROUT | 02:58 |
| === jbailey hands lamont a brick of tofu. | ||
| jbailey | It's all I have to offer, sorry. | 02:59 |
| lamont | zul: my sense of humor is merely misunderstood. :-) | 02:59 |
| lamont | jbailey: yum | 02:59 |
| jbailey | You can carve it to look like a trout. | 02:59 |
| zul | heh | 03:00 |
| zul | hey guys do you want to dump the 2.5 stuff in universe? | 03:06 |
| zul | er...2.4 | 03:06 |
| fabbione | http://www.getoffmynuts.com/gallery/images/chefno.jpg | 03:07 |
| fabbione | aahah that looks so much like me | 03:07 |
| jbailey | zul: It's probably a good idea. I know that the initrd-tools stuff that I've done hasn't been tested against 2.4 at all | 03:07 |
| jbailey | fabbione: OooOooOoo! | 03:07 |
| zul | heh its dom delouise | 03:07 |
| jbailey | That could be the "Kernel Strike Force" page to go against the XSF one. =) | 03:07 |
| === fabbione *coughs* | ||
| fabbione | jbailey: i am kinda part of both.. you know? | 03:08 |
| fabbione | but we can do something funny | 03:08 |
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| jbailey | fabbione: Yes, well, we forgive you. =) | 03:08 |
| dholbach | hi | 03:08 |
| zul | dholbach: im thinking dump the 2.4 stuff since its not really supported afiak | 03:08 |
| dholbach | zul: don't let fabbione hear that :-) | 03:09 |
| dholbach | zul: i had the whole lot on wiki/MorgueCandidates already, when he stopped me :-) | 03:09 |
| zul | ah.. | 03:09 |
| zul | fabbione: wanna comment? | 03:09 |
| dholbach | we're talking about the "kernel" section on wiki/UniverseUnmetDeps | 03:09 |
| fabbione | zul: yes. we need to have at least one version of 2.4 around in universe | 03:10 |
| fabbione | supported or not | 03:10 |
| zul | k | 03:10 |
| fabbione | because there are some admin that are pretty conservative | 03:10 |
| fabbione | or cannot upgrade a kernel to 2.6 | 03:10 |
| fabbione | (like me) | 03:10 |
| dholbach | but we could chuck out stuff like kernel-patch-2.4.26-m68k | 03:10 |
| jbailey | fabbione: They'll probably see errors on their screen with the initrd-tools changes if they downgrade from a new install. | 03:11 |
| fabbione | dholbach: you kidding right? | 03:11 |
| fabbione | dholbach: i am porting ubuntu to m68k | 03:11 |
| fabbione | ! | 03:11 |
| === dholbach pipes innocently | ||
| === dholbach didn't say anything | ||
| fabbione | jbailey: i am more concerned about people upgrading from woody | 03:11 |
| fabbione | dholbach: just kidding.. kill it | 03:11 |
| jbailey | fabbione: I think that case will still behave sanely. I haven't tested it, though. | 03:12 |
| dholbach | but we need to fix the linux-2.4-meta packages | 03:12 |
| jbailey | But the suspend-to-disk stuff only should kick in if someone sets it intentionally, or does a clean install. | 03:12 |
| dholbach | apt-cache -i unmet | grep kernel should be empty :-) | 03:12 |
| dholbach | i don't want to meddle in any kernel packages :-) | 03:14 |
| dholbach | even not meta ones | 03:14 |
| fabbione | dholbach: we simply cannot commit to maintain 2.4 too | 03:21 |
| fabbione | that's MOTU stuff | 03:21 |
| fabbione | but we did never remove 2.4 from universe for that reason | 03:21 |
| fabbione | if MOTU's are absolutely sure that it is ok to kill 2.4, than just go ahead | 03:22 |
| dholbach | i'm not suggesting chucking stuff out | 03:22 |
| dholbach | but the linux-meta packages should be sorted out | 03:22 |
| dholbach | -2.4 that is | 03:22 |
| fabbione | there is no linux-meta for 2.4 | 03:22 |
| fabbione | and there is no need to have one | 03:22 |
| dholbach | that's all the list is saying | 03:23 |
| dholbach | what are all those version 100 then? | 03:23 |
| fabbione | the version 100 afaik are meta packages coming from DEbian | 03:24 |
| fabbione | that have the same meaning as our linux-meta | 03:24 |
| fabbione | but | 03:24 |
| fabbione | they are not packages we did | 03:24 |
| fabbione | so i am sure you can clean these ones | 03:24 |
| dholbach | what about the *-2.6-* ones? | 03:25 |
| fabbione | it's the same | 03:25 |
| fabbione | debian uses kernel-* | 03:25 |
| fabbione | we use linux-* | 03:25 |
| dholbach | ok, so if you have no objections, i'll re-add them to the list and talk to elmo at some stage | 03:25 |
| dholbach | cool | 03:25 |
| dholbach | thanks :-) | 03:25 |
| fabbione | it's your decision | 03:26 |
| dholbach | removal of uninstallable meta packages shouldnt hurt, right? :-) | 03:26 |
| fabbione | it shouldn't | 03:27 |
| fabbione | given that they don't break other packages | 03:27 |
| dholbach | i'd prefer if someone of the kernel-team would verify ;-) | 03:27 |
| lamont | meta package doesn't actually deliver anything, other than dependencies to pull in other packages.. | 03:28 |
| lamont | that it's uniinstallable may be an issue, but removing it shouldn't hurt | 03:28 |
| fabbione | ahah i found the best picture for badger :-) | 03:33 |
| fabbione | http://www.getoffmynuts.com/gallery/images/aznraccoonstick.jpg | 03:33 |
| lamont | fabbione: that's a racoon | 03:33 |
| lamont | != badger | 03:33 |
| fabbione | hmm they looked pretty much the same | 03:33 |
| lamont | but they taste completely different | 03:33 |
| zul | fabbione: racoon are more evil then badgers | 03:34 |
| zul | they go through your garbage | 03:34 |
| lamont | and about half as big as a badger, too | 03:34 |
| fabbione | ok got that | 03:34 |
| lamont | so they fit in the garbage can better... :-) | 03:34 |
| lamont | should we get mark to do 'randy racoon' next? | 03:35 |
| fabbione | hahha better not suggesting it :-) | 03:35 |
| fabbione | some pics on that site are amazing | 03:35 |
| fabbione | http://www.getoffmynuts.com/gallery/images/appleadcrackborrow20.jpg | 03:35 |
| fabbione | there PPC users! | 03:35 |
| lamont | fabbione: that'd be better than 'raunchy racoon' | 03:39 |
| fabbione | ehheh | 03:39 |
| dholbach | bbl | 03:42 |
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| Mithrandir | hm, should I whine about stuff to go into d-i kernel packages here or just to Kamion? | 05:22 |
| zul | Kamion | 05:23 |
| fabbione | here | 05:50 |
| fabbione | we do create the udebs | 05:50 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: what do you need exactly? | 05:50 |
| Mithrandir | fabbione: 7800; the i2o modules. | 05:52 |
| Mithrandir | i2o_block.ko i2o_config.ko i2o_core.ko i2o_proc.ko i2o_scsi.ko | 05:52 |
| fabbione | on what arches? | 05:53 |
| fabbione | something like an i2o-udebs | 05:53 |
| fabbione | but what should pull it in? | 05:53 |
| Mithrandir | amd64 | 05:53 |
| Mithrandir | it could just go in the scsi-modules udeb? | 05:53 |
| fabbione | is it used only by scsi hw? | 05:54 |
| Mithrandir | TTBOMK, yes | 05:55 |
| fabbione | TTBOMK"FHHIDJAWI ???? | 05:56 |
| Mithrandir | to the best of my knowledge | 05:56 |
| Mithrandir | it's an abstraction layer which providers can write their hardware to conform to. | 05:56 |
| fabbione | ok :-) | 05:56 |
| Mithrandir | makes it easier to write drivers | 05:56 |
| fabbione | yes i know the description, but i didn't know if there were actually drivers using it | 05:56 |
| fabbione | the 7800 is the scsi drivers that uses it, right? | 05:57 |
| Mithrandir | 7800 is the bug # | 05:57 |
| Mithrandir | :P | 05:57 |
| fabbione | ahhh | 05:57 |
| Mithrandir | some Adaptec stuff uses it | 05:57 |
| Mithrandir | 0000:02:07.0 RAID bus controller: Adaptec (formerly DPT) SmartRAID V Controller (rev 01) | 05:58 |
| Mithrandir | so we might want the dpt_i2o in there as well | 05:58 |
| Mithrandir | hmm, the dpt_i2o is i386 only, though | 05:58 |
| fabbione | hmmm ok | 05:58 |
| fabbione | to do it clean we need a new kernel-wedge | 05:59 |
| fabbione | + some investigation on the depends of the modules | 05:59 |
| fabbione | what module is the one used for the controller? | 05:59 |
| Mithrandir | typically, the i2o_block gives you access to the block devices (that is, RAIDs or JBODs the controller sees) | 06:01 |
| Mithrandir | the i2o_scsi is the scsi interface, I think | 06:01 |
| fabbione | hmmmm | 06:01 |
| Mithrandir | config is for running configuration tools | 06:01 |
| === fabbione scratches his head | ||
| fabbione | is it critical to get it in for hoary? | 06:02 |
| fabbione | it will need me a bit of investigation on how to merge the overall crack | 06:02 |
| fabbione | or talk with Kamion on what's the best way | 06:02 |
| Mithrandir | it would be _very_ nice to have for hoary, yes. | 06:02 |
| fabbione | ok | 06:02 |
| Mithrandir | it's a PITA to install without it | 06:02 |
| fabbione | yup. i understand | 06:02 |
| Mithrandir | it's in the kernel, it's just missing from d-i | 06:03 |
| fabbione | yes.. | 06:03 |
| fabbione | we need to get a proper udeb out | 06:03 |
| fabbione | and since this is scsi stuff | 06:04 |
| fabbione | the scsi-modules needs to Depend on it | 06:04 |
| fabbione | but if in one month from now, a new keyboard will use that stuff | 06:04 |
| fabbione | we will not need to split the hell | 06:04 |
| fabbione | it will be already there | 06:04 |
| fabbione | i just want to be sure which modules (per arch) needs to go where | 06:04 |
| fabbione | and this is Kamion "the d-i allmighty" decision ;) | 06:05 |
| Mithrandir | I doubt you'll ever have an i2o keyboard. :P | 06:06 |
| fabbione | you get my point :P | 06:06 |
| fabbione | but yes it is doable | 06:06 |
| Mithrandir | cool, I'll see what kamion says to the bug | 06:07 |
| Mithrandir | but now I should be packing | 06:07 |
| fabbione | are you flying tomorrow? | 06:08 |
| Mithrandir | train tonight, then drop off a bit of baggage in Oslo then bus to Copenhagen tomorrow mid-day | 06:10 |
| fabbione | cool! | 06:12 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: you have my phone numbers.. anything you need, you just call me | 06:12 |
| Mithrandir | sure | 06:13 |
| Mithrandir | :) | 06:13 |
| fabbione | (other than my money!) | 06:13 |
| fabbione | (but you can have my wife as souvenir from dk) | 06:13 |
| === fabbione hides | ||
| Mithrandir | has she turned evil already? | 06:13 |
| fabbione | she did even before | 06:13 |
| fabbione | but i can say "WIFE" | 06:13 |
| fabbione | ehehhe | 06:13 |
| Mithrandir | I'm looking forward to meet her | 06:13 |
| Mithrandir | I'm sure she rocks. | 06:13 |
| Mithrandir | just like you | 06:13 |
| fabbione | eheheh | 06:14 |
| fabbione | she is not a nerd tho | 06:14 |
| fabbione | and she doesn't like computer talking | 06:14 |
| fabbione | talk to her about flowers and traveling :) | 06:14 |
| Mithrandir | I | 06:16 |
| Mithrandir | I'll just make Karianne talk to her and she'll be a geek in no time. | 06:16 |
| Mithrandir | :) | 06:16 |
| fabbione | AHAHHA | 06:17 |
| fabbione | good plan! | 06:17 |
| fabbione | i think i will take Ulla with me at the next conf in EU | 06:17 |
| Mithrandir | bring her to Debconf? | 06:17 |
| fabbione | i am not sure i will be there | 06:18 |
| Mithrandir | ok :( | 06:18 |
| Mithrandir | I'm actually considering bringing my mother(!). She's a social antrophologist and interested in free software and geeks and such | 06:18 |
| fabbione | ahaha | 06:18 |
| fabbione | that would rock so hard! | 06:18 |
| === lamont tries to end-run the phone company | ||
| zul | heh..mama's boy :) | 07:02 |
| lamont | well, it didn't work. those wimps at earthlink are no help. | 07:40 |
| lamont | my issue is that there are free pair in the T^*&)^)*_() path all the way to my house... I just want one. Qwest doesn't want to free it up.... | 07:41 |
| zul | frig...its like im doing cobol all over again | 07:54 |
| zul | pure hell | 07:54 |
| fabbione | lamont: just steal it :-) | 08:05 |
| lamont | fabbione: unfortunately, that would require learning about DSL hookup methods, hacking their switch, and hacking the CO computer... while fun, it would not go unnoticed, and those last 2 are federal offenses... | 08:06 |
| === lamont doesn't want to live in kansas | ||
| zul | its better than ioaw | 08:06 |
| zul | iowa | 08:07 |
| fabbione | or alaska | 08:07 |
| lamont | alaska would be nice - as long as they have DSL. :-) | 08:07 |
| zul | or *shock* tenesse | 08:07 |
| lamont | and leavenworth doesn't have DSL | 08:07 |
| lamont | at least not in the inmate areas. | 08:07 |
| fabbione | lamont: did you ever consider upgrading the wireless link and get somehow uncapped? | 08:11 |
| lamont | fabbione: for a mere $600 + $70/mo, I can have 500kbps over satellite. | 08:13 |
| lamont | fat, but _VERY_ long pipe. | 08:13 |
| zul | what is the upload like? | 08:13 |
| lamont | probably bidirectional these days - at least 128kbps | 08:13 |
| lamont | now, for $349/mo + tarriffs (== ~$1000/mo), I can have a T1. | 08:13 |
| lamont | and for about that much a month, I can get another house in DSL land... :-) | 08:14 |
| fabbione | that's too expensive | 08:14 |
| fabbione | i was talking about the wireless link you have now | 08:14 |
| lamont | ah, that just involves getting the co-op to change rate plans yet again on my behalf... | 08:15 |
| fabbione | + latency only kills irc... | 08:15 |
| lamont | (the most recent change benefits pretty much _me_ | 08:15 |
| lamont | and no one else | 08:15 |
| fabbione | but you are still bounded to traffic or speed limit | 08:16 |
| fabbione | i can't believe i cannot make flumotion to work with my webcam | 08:17 |
| fabbione | and jdub keeps ignoring that.... | 08:17 |
| lamont | fabbione: and will be so long as I'm using the co-op | 08:17 |
| lamont | fabbione: I could have ~400kbps 24x7 if I was willing to pay for it... | 08:18 |
| lamont | but the surcharges _HURT_ | 08:18 |
| fabbione | yeah i can imagine | 08:18 |
| fabbione | or get all your boxes colocated | 08:18 |
| lamont | they're structured to make it cheaper to get the T1 if you're a steady-state heavy user | 08:18 |
| fabbione | and use only the laptop as ws | 08:18 |
| zul | ill take that ppp bug - 7763 | 08:18 |
| fabbione | lamont: have you consider splitting the T1 with the neibourgh? | 08:19 |
| lamont | pb is that i need to get the bits to test with, so I'd need to co-lo my office, and we're still talking ~$1000/mo | 08:19 |
| lamont | ENONTECHY | 08:19 |
| fabbione | yeah colo the entire office no... | 08:19 |
| fabbione | zul: ok... | 08:19 |
| lamont | actually, I co-lo'ed a 1U box down at my buddy's | 08:20 |
| zul | see im cordinating :) | 08:20 |
| lamont | so I can go hit his driveway and do a fast-fetch of everything I'm missing | 08:20 |
| fabbione | eheh | 08:20 |
| lamont | zul: that is like, so _ON_ topic. :-) | 08:20 |
| fabbione | zul: i don't use ppp at all... | 08:20 |
| fabbione | so you can take also pppoe and mppe | 08:20 |
| lamont | I use it when forced | 08:20 |
| zul | neither do i but if debian includes it well do the same | 08:20 |
| fabbione | lamont: last thing i tried was ppp over ssh | 08:21 |
| fabbione | than i stopped | 08:21 |
| lamont | gag | 08:21 |
| zul | last time i used ppp was 3 years ago | 08:21 |
| lamont | fabbione: btw, ipv6 iptables connection tracking... any word on that? | 08:21 |
| fabbione | it was easier to put a machine with 2 eth at work than to go via the corporate firewall | 08:21 |
| fabbione | lamont: right.... now we are kernel maintainers... | 08:22 |
| fabbione | see | 08:22 |
| fabbione | i totally forgot about it | 08:22 |
| fabbione | we are going to put it in for bendy | 08:22 |
| fabbione | since i maintain the kernel.. we can do the effort to merge it | 08:22 |
| lamont | once we have it, I'll deploy ipv6 here... | 08:23 |
| lamont | need it for the firewall. | 08:23 |
| fabbione | lamont: you will be surprise to know that you don't need that much firewalling on ipv6 | 08:23 |
| lamont | fabbione: because no one is using it? | 08:24 |
| fabbione | no, because if you carefully configure the services, you don't need one | 08:24 |
| fabbione | not all services listen on IPv6 | 08:24 |
| fabbione | and the few that do, is because you want them on ipv6 | 08:24 |
| fabbione | like bind, apache2 | 08:24 |
| fabbione | ssh | 08:25 |
| lamont | yeah, but I'm kinda strict on the firewall rules... | 08:25 |
| fabbione | sure.. | 08:25 |
| fabbione | there were some limitations when i tested a year ago | 08:25 |
| lamont | it's not even there in our 2.6.10 :) severely limits things... :) | 08:25 |
| fabbione | you know.. i got so frigging busy that i really forgot about it | 08:26 |
| lamont | it's OK. I'll just pester you each day at UDU about it. :-) | 08:26 |
| fabbione | no need to | 08:26 |
| lamont | LOL | 08:26 |
| fabbione | i will merge the day after hoary is out | 08:26 |
| zul | heh...you guys are going to have too much fun at udu | 08:26 |
| fabbione | and upload for bendy | 08:27 |
| Mithrandir | breezy | 08:27 |
| Mithrandir | no, windy | 08:27 |
| Mithrandir | wasn't it? | 08:27 |
| fabbione | yeah breezy | 08:27 |
| Mithrandir | breezy badger | 08:27 |
| Mithrandir | crazy name, imho | 08:28 |
| Mithrandir | :) | 08:28 |
| fabbione | wife i want bendy! | 08:28 |
| fabbione | s/wife// | 08:28 |
| fabbione | no.. i do NOT want my wife to bend(y) | 08:28 |
| fabbione | not yet at least :P | 08:28 |
| Mithrandir | TMI! | 08:28 |
| lamont | fabbione: -28 has the abi stuff, not 27, right>? | 08:29 |
| fabbione | lamont: correct | 08:29 |
| fabbione | time to get offline | 08:30 |
| fabbione | wife is back | 08:30 |
| zul | c ya | 08:30 |
| fabbione | cya | 08:30 |
| lamont | later | 08:31 |
| zul | im going to a movie tonight with my wife so im not sure if im going to be online or not | 08:54 |
| === lamont wonders if we have a target upload date for -29 | ||
| zul | next week i think | 09:12 |
| zul | or not.. | 09:13 |
| zul | later | 09:57 |
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