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XappeSlackman, the only problem is that I have get my father to learn linux if he want's go get the ibook back (i hope I can keep it for a long time, but you never know..)12:00
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IrcUsrthoreauputic_: makes sense, stupid question, sorry12:00
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XappeSlackman, but I felt more comfortable with Hoary on it since my pc is running that too12:01
spadesis there anyway to scp a set of dirs from one pc to another?  im using scp * -r user@machine:path  and it returns 'folder name' is not a regular file12:01
thoreauputic_IrcUsr: I believe you can set up a swap area on your hard drive ( haven't tried it myself)12:01
SlackmanXappe: you could get KDE and make it look like OSX..i have seen someone do an EXACT replica visually of OSX with kde12:01
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IrcUsrwhen a version upgrade comes about, do you select just one "component" and all the software goes up to the new version, or do the changes filter through gradually?12:02
Xappespades, try lftp -u username sftp://12:02
mircospades: if you like to sync look for unison, it uses ssh proto for traffic enc12:02
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Xappespades, then you can use the mirror command12:02
rotatorCuffenwhich linux kernel is ubunti built on?12:02
SlackmanXappe: aside from a few things i don't think hoary is that far off OSX in terms of "dumb user" being able to do everything12:02
thoreauputic_rotatorCuffen: depends which version, and how up to date12:03
XappeSlackman, i don't like KDE, but I think i'll be the one using this ibook most of the time...my parets have other computers to play with12:03
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rotatorCuffenthoreauputic_ warty-release-install-i386.iso12:04
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monteirohow i put my monitor with 75 hertz ?12:04
rotatorCuffen4.1012:04
marcus__Hello.. How do I unload the boot loader from my system?12:04
thoreauputic_rotatorCuffen: warty uses the 2.6.8 kernel series12:04
rotatorCuffenThe_Nalf thx12:04
rotatorCuffenthoreauputic_12:04
thoreauputic_rotatorCuffen:  type uname -r to see12:04
rotatorCuffenok12:04
XappeSlackman, and I have to travel 300 km to return it ;)12:04
Nathamok, i got it with nfs12:05
marcus__Hello.. How do I unload the GRUB bootloader from my system?12:05
Nathambut, i mount it, and i cant acces with a user diferent of root12:05
thoreauputic_here it's currently 2.6.8.1-4-386 , but there's a -5 as well12:05
Slackmanheh 300k is a long way to get a lappy :)12:05
thoreauputic_or a 686  version for that matter ...12:05
keffoohm12:06
keffooflash in mozilla12:06
marcus__Flash sucks. Your better without it.12:06
thoreauputic_Natham: is the user uid the same on both machines?12:06
Nathamwait12:06
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thoreauputic_Natham: if the user uid is different, you won't be able to do better than read access12:07
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Nathambut i even cant read12:07
thoreauputic_Natham: probably your /etc/fstab is wrong12:08
nicedreamsI reformated and installed hoary preview and now gnome is acting up.  I can't launch quake3 or ETF and I can't play any type of sound file.  I installed fluxbox and I can do everything just fine.  Anyone having the same issues or have a fix?12:08
Nathamok12:08
Nathamis the same uid12:08
Natham100012:08
Nathamin both machines12:08
thoreauputic_Natham: example line from here: alterego:/home /mnt/alterego nfs noauto,users,rw,hard,intr 0 012:08
thoreauputic_Natham: ^^^12:09
Nathamok12:09
XappeSlackware, do you know how I get the ibook to turn off rather than suspend to disk when the battery level is critical?12:09
Xappe*Slackman12:09
thoreauputic_alterego is my laptop, this is my desktop (the /etc/fstab is from here)12:09
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nicedreamsoh yea...and when in gnome, I can't download anything using firefox12:10
neighborleeanyone know about when official hoary release will be ?12:10
Nathamthoreauputic_, i used the line in fstab and nothing happens12:10
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thoreauputic_April 6 I believe (Hoary)12:11
Nathami cant read the unit12:11
nicedreamsscrew it...i'll just reisntall ubuntu hoary12:11
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thoreauputic_Natham: NFS can be tricky - is portmap running?12:11
Nathamon both machines12:11
Nathamportmapper12:12
neighborleethoreauputic_, ok12:12
neighborleethoreauputic_, thx12:12
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Nathamok12:13
Nathamin the server, my user cant acces the directry12:13
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dabiis there any tool to edit partitions on ubuntu (with gui)12:14
bur[n] ergparted12:15
apokryphosdabi: gparted; qtparted12:15
Nathamok i got it12:15
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auraxis hoary stable enough ?12:16
evilbuttersI need to know how to start Bittornado12:16
mircon8 all12:16
dabiemn.. i cant remove webmin-proftpd12:16
evilbuttersI installed it through the Package Manager12:16
thoreauputic_aurax: for what? *grin*12:16
auraxdesktops12:17
marcus__Is it possible to uninstall the GRUB bootloader?12:17
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auraxwarty was stable enough for desktops12:17
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auraxi wonder if i can install for my costumers hoary12:17
LeeColletonwhen the seahorse-agent window appears it doesn't pop up above evolution.  Can I make it always on top?12:17
thoreauputic_aurax: it goes "stable" in april12:17
dabiOMG12:18
dabigparted12:18
dabiups12:18
dabifk..12:18
bur[n] er?12:19
thoreauputic_Natham: edit  /etc/default/portmap12:19
neighborleeaurax, I find it a mixed bag..but 'overall' yes IMO....so far mainly firefox seems to be on buggy side and when it 'went' it took gnome panel with it and i had to ctrl-alt-backspace and eventually found myself rebooting ( hard reboot) to fix it12:19
Nathamthoreauputic_, i made it12:19
Nathamthanx12:19
dabicant copy from synaptic terminal.. oh anyway.. i cant uninstall the fking webmin-proftpd12:19
evilbutterscan anyone tell me how to start Bittorent that came with Ubuntu12:20
auraxwill ubuntu hoary work well with intel's 915G chipsets too12:20
aurax?12:20
evilbuttersWarty Editio12:20
bur[n] erevilbutters: one came with it?12:20
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evilbuttersBitTorunado and Bittorent12:20
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evilbuttersthats whats in the Package manager12:20
bur[n] eroh... just do btdownloadgui ;)12:20
bur[n] erbtdownloadgui blah.torrent12:21
bur[n] eror save yourself some headache with that app and get azureus instead12:21
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dabii have webmin-proftpd as an broken package and cant uninstall it with synaptic.. what can i do?12:21
lewizErm.  What is required to install Ubuntu?  I did a PXE install to my laptop but it didn't start installing the packages as normal on reboot.  Will apt-get ubuntu-desktop do the trick?12:21
bur[n] erdabi: why can't you uninstall it?12:21
dabiE: webmin-proftpd:  subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 212:22
dabibur[n] er: /etc/webmin/update.conf: No such file or directory dpkg: error while cleaning up:  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2 Errors were encountered while processing: webmin-proftpd12:23
bur[n] erdabi: u could force it12:24
bur[n] erdpkg --force-help12:24
dabihow?12:24
dabihmm im uninstalling it on synaptic.. how can i uninstall it from terminal?12:24
artafindeQn: How do I install tomboy on ubuntu? (I have installed mono)12:25
Xappedabi, sudo apt-get remove packagename12:25
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carrarrohello World!12:27
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carrarroI need some advice12:27
icebalmoh no12:27
carrarroI am trying to switch to Linux and I just finished downloading this UBUNTU version12:27
carrarroI love it!12:28
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icebalmyeah it's pretty good huh?12:28
carrarrothe only problem is that I don't know how to configure my wireless card...12:28
Otheoshello all12:28
carrarrodo you know how to get it to work?12:28
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carrarrohello12:28
dabii have to force uninstall webmin-proftpd from terminal, what command do i have to use?12:28
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QuaruptHowcome I had to do a dist-updrade?12:29
OtheosI need some help, I'm hoping some one knows the answer12:29
icebalmcarrarro: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WiFiHowto12:29
carrarrothank you!12:29
icebalmnp12:29
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OtheosI built a box to run ubuntu on, I put a Highpoint RocketRaid 1640 card in it...got 4 200GB drives i want to put in a raid 5 container....12:30
icebalmdabi: try: sudo dpkg -r --force webmin-proftpd12:30
dabidpkg: unknown force/refuse option `webmin-proftpd'12:30
icebalmdabi: try: sudo dpkg -r --force-all webmin-proftpd12:30
dabidpkg: error while cleaning up:12:31
dabi subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 212:31
dabiErrors were encountered while processing:12:31
dabi webmin-proftpd12:31
dabidamn..12:31
carrarrohey Ice, thank you again... I have to go now. I'll see what I can do later with the wi-fi stuff12:31
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Otheosdon't suppose anyone else has a rocketraid card????12:32
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dabiMUAH hehe i xiited on that fking webmin thing.. i made the damn bugging file my self and worked.. :P hhehe12:35
icebalmwheee12:35
Otheosicebalm,  may I ask you for some help...12:36
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QuaruptIs 2.4.10 a fairly new kernel?12:36
icebalmOtheos: shoot12:36
thoreauputic_Quarupt: no, it's ancient12:37
icebalmQuarupt: 2.4.11 is latest12:37
icebalmQuarupt: 2.6.11 I mean12:37
OtheosI havea highpoint rocketraid controller i'm trying to use....12:37
thoreauputic_icebalm: hmm 2.6.10?12:37
Quarupt2.6.10-412:37
icebalmQuarupt: 2.4 is bloody old12:37
thoreauputic_yeah12:37
dazed|is there a problem with the warty repo's?12:37
QuaruptI meant 2.6.10-412:37
thoreauputic_Quarupt: yes, typo :)12:37
Nathama edonkey client for ubuntu?12:38
thoreauputic_I guess.....12:38
marcin_anthi could someone tell me how to change language settings in hoary?12:38
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Otheoswhen installing is doesn't see the volume it see sthe physical drives...12:38
icebalm2.6.10 is in the "sweet spot" I think, new enough to work well, old enough to have most binary drivers (ati/nvidia) work out of the tgz12:38
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thoreauputic_marcin_ant: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales12:38
icebalmOtheos: hrmm, software raid12:38
Otheoshardware..12:39
Otheostrying at least12:39
icebalmnot if it sees the drives12:39
Otheos4 SATA RAID 5 controller12:39
Otheosmaybe I missed a step12:39
icebalmhardware raid never gives drive info to the OS, only the volume12:39
Quarupticebalm, you have any luck with ATI drivers?12:39
icebalmQuarupt: yep12:39
marcin_antthoreauputic_: I did12:39
marcin_antthoreauputic_: and nothing - gnome still in english....12:40
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marcin_antthoreauputic_: lang packages installed too of course12:40
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thoreauputic_marcin_ant:  heh - was about to suggest that ;)12:41
marcin_antthoreauputic_: yeah I know... but what now?12:41
thoreauputic_I have no idea, sorry12:41
thoreauputic_:(12:41
icebalmOtheos: either there's no driver for it in linux, it's not being loaded, or some other thing with lvm, I don't know, I don't use raid12:41
Otheoshmmm...12:42
Otheosactually, I just realized my screw up..12:42
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thoreauputic_marcin_ant: unless you try a dpkg-reconfigure on your language pack, I guess12:42
marcin_antthoreauputic_: I'll try to reinstall lang packages12:42
OtheosI had to upgrade the bios on the controller and to test I just put together JBOD not a RAID 512:42
marcin_antthoreauputic_: ok12:42
Paralla1how can I remove the speaker beep from hoary?12:42
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icebalmQuarupt: the fglrx binaries in ubuntu are old, I did I silly hack12:43
Paralla1how can I remove the speaker beep from hoary like when I press TAB key on the console?12:43
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dabiheh i want to remove it too.. :P12:43
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crimsunconsole or gnome-terminal?12:44
AngryClipParalla1, dabi I think there is something on ubuntuguide.org about that12:44
Paralla1everywhere12:44
Paralla1gnome terminal12:44
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jimmer_hello all.12:45
dabinever mind.. ill cut the speaker cable.. ;)12:45
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icebalmdabi: just unplug it :P12:45
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thoreauputic_Paralla1: in gnome-terminal edit profile and turn off the "bell"12:46
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jimmer_just installed hoary and it seems pretty nice so far. just one question... how do I get rid off all the GNOME junk and come up with a nice, clean X11 only install that supports hot swap etc. so that I can install GNUstep as my default desktop environment?12:46
psh1hey all. is there a way of starting graphic apps on my X session from a terminal (ctrl+alt+F1 command line)?12:47
Quest-Masterpsh1: I believe not12:47
[FiDO] does anyone know of a program like daemon tools for linux12:47
thoreauputic_psh1: not without starting X12:47
mjrpsh1, DISPLAY=:0 program12:47
[FiDO] so you can mount image files12:47
mjrassuming you have an X server running at :012:47
jimmer_[FiDO] , just use the loopback12:48
PacoBCNwhy to use gnustep?12:48
psh1mjr, ok cool. so is that an argument (with --) or just placed after any command?12:48
PacoBCNI don't get it12:48
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[FiDO] just use the loopback what do you mean12:48
jimmer_PacoBCN, because I prefer it to GNOME. simple ;)12:48
psh1mjr, oh i see how it works :)12:48
thoreauputic_PacoBCN: I guess he likes gnustep...12:48
mjrpsh1, that's sh syntax for "set DISPLAY environment variable for this program to :0"12:48
mjryou can of course also set it beforehand12:49
PacoBCNI understood that12:49
[FiDO] jimmer can you give me an example12:49
jimmer_[FiDO] , mount /file.iso /mntpoint -o loop12:49
thoreauputic_jimmer_: why Ubuntu then? you must have known it was a GNOME distro?12:49
lewizHmm... where is the default keyboard layout set?  I can change it per-user with System->Preferences but how can I change it for the whole system?12:49
[FiDO] that's wicked I get ya12:49
psh1mjr, thanks for that.12:49
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jimmer_thoreauputic_, coz I thought I'd try a new distro. Then heard the GNOME was at 2.10 and hoary was outthere with 2.10 support. Now I;ve tried it for a few days and I find it annoying. Maybe I should just go with stock Debian and setup the rest by hand.12:51
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jimmer_thoreauputic_, been running SuSE for like forever, but don;t ike the new Novell reality.12:51
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ValdezThere once was this site where you could order a free chart over the whole OSI model. But now I can't find it through google or anything. Anyone that knows what im talking about? :)12:51
thoreauputic_jimmer_: yes, i was thinking debian sarge or sid might be a better way to go12:52
icebalmValdez: yeah I have one, it was from hp if memory serves12:52
thoreauputic_for you I mean12:52
icebalmor lucent12:52
icebalmor something12:52
jimmer_thoreauputic_, actually i was thinking to go with linux from scratch, but can't be bothered to be compiling for a whole day ;)12:52
jimmer_thoreauputic_, also considered gentoo, but same reason not to do it.12:53
thoreauputic_jimmer_: heheh - stick with debian :)12:53
thoreauputic_jimmer_: much quicker12:53
jimmer_thoreauputic_, on the otherhand as I;ve been running a linux of some sort or another since kernel 1.0.8 and the SLS floppy distro, I suppose I should be rolling my own... but I;m just a little tired of all the compiling and fixing and stuff.12:54
dazed|i have a question...my nautilus only picks up the local shared files when i goto network:/// but when my laptop is on windows it picks up the laptop but when its on ubu they cant find eachother12:54
thoreauputic_jimmer_: BTW what's your beef with Novell? ( just curious...)12:55
[FiDO] jimmer: the image file I'm trying to play is actually a movie is there a way to mount it so it will play12:55
[FiDO] its a dvd .img file12:55
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ReformedAnyone notice problems with the industrial theme in hoary?12:56
marcin_antthoreauputic_: found bug12:56
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marcin_antthoreauputic_: in /etc/environment I had12:56
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ReformedIt doesn't seem to display in my theme window.  I've dpkg --purge'd it and reinstalled with no luck.12:56
marcin_antthoreauputic_: LANGUAGE="en_PL:en.......12:56
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pr1matedoes any1 use wine in ubuntu (sry, UbU newbie)12:57
odie5533Does Ubuntu have support for scanners12:57
jimmer_thoreauputic_, well, for one i don't like the new corporate attitude. Also don;t like the fact that the dirsto get's more and more 'Enterprise'. Enterprise computing is boring on the desktop. Just run Orifice and a calender thing.12:57
NeoChaosXis there anybody else who's enabled a mixer device to get software mixing, but notice that SDL games are now out of sync?12:57
jimmer_odie5533, yes.12:57
marcin_antthoreauputic_: ok now after relogin I have polish interface....12:57
odie5533How do I add one?12:57
jimmer_odie5533, check out xsane12:57
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marcin_antthoreauputic_: it was "fresh" installation so definetly hoary bug12:58
odie5533Ah, thankyou12:58
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thoreauputic_marcin_ant: have you reported it?12:58
marcin_antthoreauputic_: not yet12:58
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LeeJunFanOk, I'm looking for a new distro, thinking ubuntu or kubuntu might be it. I take it ubuntu is much like debian in that it's basically raw linux (unlike debian it's actually kept updated), w/o a lot of spiffy add on bell and whistle crap, and little to no branding?12:58
HrdwrBoBLeeJunFan: ubuntu has lots of bells and whistles, however they're standards based bells and generall issue whistles12:59
chillywillyit also has some nice artwork :)12:59
thoreauputic_LeeJunFan: if you want constant updates you need to track the development version12:59
Valdezicebalm: in digital form ? Don't suppose you know where one would be able to acquire one.12:59
pr1matei need to use an exe (wine) how to, and is it as simple as adding a server to synaptic??01:00
icebalmValdez: no I have the actual poster, just, not here01:00
jimmer_thoreauputic_, I do webdev and design. I like to run a specific set of tools and apps. All of which i like to install to my specs. and taste. The modern distro's seem to be all about looking like MS Windows, not only wrt to UI and Look n Feel, but also wrt to mindset. Stoopid users and an overworked departmental sysadmin. Bleh. I like to be boss on my box.01:00
thoreauputic_chillywilly: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-calendar ! :)01:00
icebalmValdez: was looking for it, don't see it01:00
LeeJunFanHrdwrBoB: well what I don't want is the kind of things mdk is doing to automate stuff in their own way instead of using standard available methods and helping to improve the community.01:01
Valdezicebalm: thanks anyway :)01:01
signalis there a way to use gentoo packages?  I know alien will let me use redhat ones...01:01
chillywillythoreauputic_: I dunno if I have that installed or not but I like this new default Human theme wallpaper01:01
jimmer_thoreauputic_, the drive for 'World Domination' seems to have moved the whole Linux world to forget about the Power User.01:01
icebalmsignal: yeah, download and compile the source01:01
thoreauputic_jimmer_: I like to run fluxbox partly for those reasons - it allows me to configure my own stuff01:01
chillywillythoreauputic_: looks bubbly and stuff01:01
LeeJunFanthoreauputic_: not so sure I need daily updates :) but something that's more up to date than debian sure helps.01:01
jimmer_thoreauputic_, I;ve been running windowmaker since I switched from afterstep... in 1996 or so ;)01:02
thoreauputic_jimmer_: but when on this channel I run gnome to be able to answer ui questions better01:02
jimmer_thoreauputic_, maybe it was 1997/8 but it's been a while in any case ;)01:02
bur[n] erflux ownz my heart01:02
bur[n] erbut gnome has my desktop :\01:02
thoreauputic_jimmer_: ah - a veteran then ;)01:03
keyhackWhere can I get WMV codecs?01:03
jimmer_thoreauputic_, popped my Unix cherry in 1992 on a large SunOS installation ;)01:03
bur[n] erkeyhack: w32codecs  need 3rd party repository... see ubuntuguide.org01:03
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icebalmkeyhack: microsoft01:03
thoreauputic_keyhack: see the restricted formats page on the ubuntulinux.org wiki01:03
NeoChaosXkeyhack: add the marillat repositories, then 'sudo apt-get install w32codecs'01:04
thoreauputic_or ubuntuguide as bur[n] er suggests01:04
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suposbut do realize that those are unfree (and thus Evil(TM))01:04
NeoChaosXwell, anybody else have my SDL audio sync problem?01:05
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icebalmNeoChaosX: no, I have my SDL audio sync problem, you have yours01:06
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tombshi01:07
NeoChaosXicebalm: very funny. :P01:07
icebalmNeoChaosX: did you lose it? are you looking to get it back?01:07
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icebalmNeoChaosX: lots of problems come in and out of here man, there's no way we can keep track of them, you should be more careful01:07
NeoChaosXI know01:07
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NeoChaosXI'll need to pay attention next time01:08
odie5533Anyone know how to enable my scanner?01:08
altavahi there everybody, how do change OSS to ALSA as master sound driver on Vaio laptop?01:08
NeoChaosXrun gstreamer-properties01:08
NeoChaosXthen select alsa01:08
mjrodie5533, see http://www.sane-project.org/ for help (firstly, to check if it's supported at all)01:08
mjrodie5533, the software should be available as ubuntu packages, but see there for docs and support info01:08
NeoChaosXaltava: although ESD > ALSA if you want sound mixing01:09
altava>NeoChaos I've remove gstreamer, use xine-ui instead..01:09
jimmer_thoreauputic_, are you a ubuntu developer?01:10
NeoChaosXaltava: ....you removed the gstreamer package? How is that possible?01:10
NeoChaosXOr do you mean just totem-gstreamer?01:11
altavaapt-get remove totem-gstreamer ; install xine-ui (universe)01:11
NeoChaosXOh01:11
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NeoChaosXaltava: No, you just removed the gstreamer version of Totem01:11
odie5533Is there anything I can do if it is not supported?01:11
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NeoChaosXgstreamer-properties is a completely different program01:11
altavaok ;)01:11
thoreauputic_jimmer_: no, just an ordinary luser ;)01:12
quaruptluser01:12
quaruptlmao01:12
keyhackAnyone know why Firefox refuses to let me save/open a JPG file? This was working before I upgraded01:12
quaruptHavent heard that in a while01:12
quaruptHello fellow netlanders01:12
keyhackI mean MPG, not JPG01:13
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edlangdaniels: hey, are you busy at the moment?01:13
odie5533How do I enable my scanner I think I need to mount it01:14
odie5533It is support by SANE01:14
jimmer_thoreauputic_, any developer type bods around here? I have one or two 'issues' that I'd like to discuss, rather than simply file bug reports about.01:14
mjrodie5533, you don't mount scanners01:14
icebalmNeoChaosX: real soundcards have no need for esd01:14
odie5533How do I use it then?01:14
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mjr(however, I don't have experience with setting them up)01:14
quaruptjimmer_, try #Ubuntu-devel01:15
jimmer_quarupt, thnx.01:15
quaruptnp01:15
icebalmapparently we're not good enough for jimmer_01:15
NeoChaosXicebalm: From my conversations and experience, ALSA sounds really scratchy when doing sound mixing01:15
altava>NeoChaos No luck with gstreamer-properties, in fact, sound is Ok with OSS but with a very low level...01:15
NeoChaosXHuh01:16
icebalmNeoChaosX: real soundcards don't need software to do mixing01:16
altavaTried alsactrl without success...01:16
NeoChaosXYou weren't able to select the ALSA driver in the program?01:16
NeoChaosXicebalm: I have on-board sound. I have no choice. :(01:16
jimmer_icebalm, wow... chill dude. But if you really must know... ;)01:16
icebalmNeoChaosX: you can choose to replace it01:16
altavaYeah.. Alsa selected = no changes :(01:17
quarupticeaxe18, any soundcard needs "software" to even function01:17
NeoChaosXlaptop01:17
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icebalmquarupt: any hardware needs software to function01:17
edlangby the power of greyskull, someone confirm for me that daniels's email address is daniels@fooishbar.org01:17
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sic|anyone know if it is possible to import your bookmarks from firefox in windows to firefox in ubuntu?01:17
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CoffeeManyes01:17
HrdwrBoBedlang: that is correct01:17
quarupticeaxe18, exactly01:17
CoffeeManin winders, export yo bookmarks to bookmarks.html01:17
CoffeeManthen in linux01:17
CoffeeManimport that file01:17
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thoreauputicsic|: it's jus an html file01:18
mario__hi01:18
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mario__from spain01:18
icebalmquarupt: however, it's like using a trident video card these days01:18
sic|I exported the bookmarks to bookmarks.html but when I got import it there are no selections to even browse to look for it01:18
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icebalmjimmer_: I'm just yanking your chain heh01:18
danielsedlang: daniel@fooishbar.org01:18
danielsedlang: what's up?01:18
lobeznoif I erase libgstreamer apt remove many other packages like gnome-panel01:19
lobeznowhy?01:19
mario__i think this distro is really goo01:19
mario__d01:19
jimmer_icebalm, of course you were ;)01:19
mario__but i founded a problem with it01:19
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mario__it's about battery management01:19
thoreauputicsic|: just copy the file across and put it in the .mozilla/firefox/default or wherever it lives01:19
sic|thoreauputic, tried that...didn't work...brb01:21
lobeznoif I erase libgstreamer apt remove many other packages like gnome-panel01:21
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MacPlusG3daniels: saw your blog dude :) don't you love all this online FS stuff :)01:22
icebalmlobezno: welcome to the world of dependancies01:22
lobeznoicebalm, and where is the dependancie?01:22
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danielsMacPlusG3: yeah, it's awesome01:23
icebalmlobezno: the packages apt would remove depend on the package you're trying to remove01:23
MacPlusG3daniels: oath. i really wish my desktop was LVM.... i wonder if there's a neat way to convert it....01:23
danielsMacPlusG3: i dunno.  i just thought making /home lvm from the start couldn't hurt :)01:24
MacPlusG3daniels: i had enough trouble getting debian and raid to behave together (about 15months ago now though)01:24
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MacPlusG3daniels: i think you've got the original XFS design team to thank for the near-instant online growfs though01:25
ferrisis there a file-sharing program that i can access kazaa with? or is there a program like kazaa for ubuntu?01:25
danielsMacPlusG3: yeah, that was awesome01:25
danielsit just happened01:25
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MacPlusG3daniels: the algorithm is *really* simple too. you write the few blocks needed for an allocation group, then just add the allocation group to the FS and start allocating space there.01:27
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MacPlusG3daniels: the algorithm for shrinking is a lot nastier. hence it's NYI :)01:27
danielsMacPlusG3: yeah, I figured that was something to do with it :)01:27
DarthFrogUbuntu is now supported by LinuxQuestions.org.01:28
DarthFroghttp://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/t301683.html01:28
MacPlusG3daniels: there's been a bunch of perf tweaks go in recently for XFS too. so newer kernels should rock even more :)01:28
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jimmer_DarthFrog, 'Support' sucks. people need to learn to read manpages and FAQ's ;)01:28
DarthFrogjimmer_: That doesn't work for everyone.  Choice is good.01:29
MacPlusG3daniels: and the stack bashers are getting fixed up.... although in some areas it's pretty tricky it seems. just is the case with large codebases :(01:29
dazed|hey how can i make gkrellm start with the start of gnome?01:30
usualwhat would a cool domain name be01:30
DarthFrogdazed|: It's in the configuration of gkrellm.01:30
usualdaniels, whatever my issues were with X being laggy are gone01:30
jimmer_DarthFrog, well to be honest, now that i've been living in the US for two weeks, I'm beginning to understand how 'Support' became a marketable commodity.01:30
dazed|under the general menu?? i thought it was but i cant seem to find it?01:30
DarthFrogjimmer_: There is no shortage of folks who either won't or can't think for themselves.01:31
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dazed|darthfrog: i cant seem to find where its at?01:32
thoreauputicdazed|: just leave it open and save your gnome session when you log out01:32
jimmer_DarthFrog, so i've discovered. Back in EUrope we have our fair share of walking lobotomies, but I've been really impressed by the sheer numbers here in NYC ;)01:32
DarthFrogdazed|: I'm not on my Ubuntu computer right now, sorry I can't look it up.01:32
dazed|ahh smart thinking thoreauputic01:32
dazed|its ok01:32
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DarthFrogjimmer_: There's likely no greater fraction of them there (I'm in Burnaby, BC) than back home.  But the sheer # of people there means the absolute # will be higher. :-)01:33
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thoreauputicDarthFrog: maybe they're more vocal in NYC ;-)01:34
sic|thoreauputic, fixed...I was putting the bookmarks.html in the wrong dir01:34
xero1hey.  does anybody know how to get debian packages in ubuntu's synaptic ?01:34
jimmer_DarthFrog, thoreauputic: all very true ;)01:34
thoreauputicsic|: ah, yes, that would make it hard to find ;-)01:34
DarthFrogthoreauputic: From what I noticed when I visited NYC in the 80's, everything is more vocal or noisier in NYC. :-)01:35
thoreauputicDarthFrog: exactly :)01:35
sic|thoreauputic, well I was looking in the actual mozilla-firefox locations instead of in my home...derrrr!01:35
farruinnxero1: that's not a recommended activity...01:35
thoreauputicsic|: heh ;-)01:35
farruinnxero1: I think if you search ubuntulinux.org for "breaking my ubuntu" you might turn something up01:35
jimmer_thoreauputic, DarthFrog: it's also more expensive than anywere else in the US ;)01:35
Xappejimmer_, thas why they call it the apple?01:36
DarthFrogjimmer_: And you will find the summer unbearably humid.01:36
Xappe*thats01:36
danielsedlang: ah, just got your mail01:36
xero1:-(01:36
jimmer_DarthFrog, ah I'm making my escape at the end of May ;)01:36
danielsMacPlusG3: heh, ah well.  sweet.01:36
farruinnanyone know if there is a way to make just gnome-terminal not use anti-aliasing?01:36
danielsusual: cool01:36
mjrfarruinn, that's a good question actually, and I don't know01:37
farruinnI think it would make my terminal look better...01:37
xero1farruinn: then where do u suggest i get programs from? the ubuntu library doesnt look nearly as sophisticated as debians01:37
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wanamahi to all!01:38
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jimmer_farruinn, have you considered selecting a larger fontsize and/or using it in bold...01:38
farruinnxero1: sophisticated I dont know what you mean by that, but enable universe and multiverse if you're not finding what you're looking for01:38
wanamai'm a new ubuntu lover....01:38
wanamahey!!! i'm expecting a warm a sweet wlcome!!!01:38
xero1farruinn: oh... ok that might be my problem then :-P.  how do i do that?01:38
farruinnjimmer_: that's a possibility but I'd rather just have un anti-aliased fonts01:38
jimmer_farruinn, each to his own ;)01:39
farruinnxero1: take a look at www.ubuntuguide.org, iirc they have instructions for that there01:39
farruinnfailing that searching www.ubuntulinux.org will guarantee something01:39
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farruinnjimmer_: thanks for the thought =)01:39
DulathHowdy01:39
xero1farruinn: thank you01:40
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jimmer_I'm out of here, nice talking to y'all ;)01:40
DulathQuick question: How long  does/should  it take approximately to rewrite the Live-CD when you shutdown with a 32 speed recorder?01:40
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rizlahello folks01:42
FLeiXiuSHello ;-)01:42
trans_errhello rizla01:42
DulathAnyone?01:43
rizlacan someone help me whit some little problems?01:43
trans_errrizla just ask01:43
rizlai use mozilla firefox 1.0..01:43
thoreauputicDulath: I never timed it01:43
edlangdaniels: replied, bug reported01:43
thoreauputicDulath: why do you need to know?01:44
trans_errrizla just ask the question01:44
signalI'm about to engage myself in trying to get some gentoo users modified version of the tv-out branch of GATOS for ati- tvout support... before i do this, can anyone think of anything dumb i might have left out of my xorg.conf that might help me get the stupid thing to work just using atitvout?01:44
DulathBecause it seems to be taking an inordinately long time.01:44
danielsedlang: rad, ta01:44
thoreauputicDulath: like how long? hours?01:44
Dulath10 minutes.01:45
signal*engage myself in trying to get said version to compile, -just to clarify01:45
rizlai have to set the browser so that when i click with the middle button, it open the link in a new tab01:45
rizla(i'm sorry for my english :-)01:45
trans_errrizla it should automatically do that01:45
thoreauputicDulath: you sure it's running at 32x ?01:45
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DulathPretty sure.01:45
rizlano, it doesn't01:46
thoreauputicDulath: check the burner setup, if you're using one and not nautilus01:46
trans_errrizla make sure your mouse is working properly, right drivers, et al01:46
trans_errbrb01:46
thoreauputicdon't know what speed nautilus would use01:46
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DulathWell, I have two burners hooked up.01:46
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rizlamy mouse works properly, the scroll works01:47
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rizlabut when i press it, nothing happen01:47
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farruinnrizla: how are you using it?  Are you trying to drag stuff around on the panel?01:48
farruinn(unlocked items of course)01:48
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signal<sigh> alright then... this is going to be one of them "learning experiences"01:49
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StoffBox-Stevemy question for today :) >> Is there a Console Command to open the CDRom drive ?01:50
HrdwrBoB'eject'01:50
farruinneject /dev/hd*01:50
StoffBox-Stevehmm so simple :D01:50
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StoffBox-Steveand a command to close it ?01:51
rizlathe mouse works correctly but the middle button isn't detected...01:51
FLeiXiuSrizla: which mouse?01:51
rizla(pherhaps)01:51
rizlalogitec, scroll01:51
FLeiXiuSlogitech what?01:51
rizlai don't know01:51
mjrStoffBox-Steve, eject -t01:51
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StoffBox-Stevegreat thx mjr :D01:52
FLeiXiuSrizla: perhaps you should figure that out01:52
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rizlasorry, i don't understand01:52
QuaruptedANyone know a good tutorial for shell scripting something fairly updated?01:52
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CompotatoJQuarupted, it is _really_ simple, you don't even need a tutorial01:53
pvhI'm looking for a "free disk space" applet for my panel. Anyone know of one?01:53
CompotatoJJust google linux shell script tutorial01:53
QuaruptedCompotatoJ, what ya mean?01:53
Quaruptedi have trust me found millions of em01:54
wongyThe system monitor has one, look at the resources tab01:54
dazed|hey i have an ubuntu laptop and pc both on the same network but when i goto network:/// in nautilus it only picks up their own networks and not the others what do i need to do???01:54
CompotatoJQuarupted, Ok, well then, you should be fine. :D01:54
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thoreauputicQuarupted: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO.html  << but it's 5 years old (I don't think bash changes much)01:54
farruinndazed|: I think they'll only show up if you enable filesharing01:55
pvhQuarupted: Unless you really need to use BASH scripting, I'd recommend you learn a different language instead.01:55
wongyHi all!  I'm looking at moving my laptop from Debian Testing to the next Ubuntu release.  I'm having trouble finding a package listing to see what versions will change if I do.  Can anyone help?01:56
pvhQuarupted: Bash scripts, to make a long story short, suck. :)01:56
shmooliky i can't c movies on totem .... ( he load the movie file but i only hear sound !!! i don't c picture )01:56
dazed|farruinn: they both have shared folders enabled ... and it picks up the shared folders of the computer thats sharing them but not the others01:56
xero1farruinn: yay i got it.  thanks again!01:56
pvhQuarupted: The only advantage they have is that they are bone-easy for simple things.01:56
pvhQuarupted: The "Ubuntu way" is Python, which is new and sexy and full of cool toys.01:56
thoreauputicpvh: A bit of script writing can only help one's linux knowledge...01:56
shmoolikhow can i get cosecks ?01:56
pvhthoreauputic: True enough, but better to learn something generally applicable, I figure.01:57
ferrisdazed, are they using the same name for the workgroup?01:57
thoreauputicpvh: or both :)01:57
yoko-omoanyone know how to auto-complete a word with open office?01:57
yoko-omoor where I can find that in the menus?01:58
pvhthoreauputic: Heh, yeah. You aren't a real programmer unless you know a dozen languages reasonably well, right?01:58
dazed|ferris: im pretty sure they are both on workgroup01:58
dazed|it picks up windows networks fine01:58
dazed|but not linux networks01:58
pvhdazed|: Do you have anything shared? Is that shared thing browsable?01:58
dazed|pvh: yes01:59
dazed|on both computers01:59
thoreauputicpvh: I'm not a programmer, so i won't comment - my biggest effort so far is a glorified kitchentimer in bash with an Xdialog GUI ;)01:59
pvhthoreauputic: Not a bad start.01:59
dudI recon I have intimate knowledge of 5-10 languages, and familiarity with about 20 others :o02:00
thoreauputicpvh: It's goodfor timing pizza ;)02:00
ferristhe first thing you need to do is set the network workgroups to the same name02:00
pvhthoreauputic: My stove is new enough that the clock hasn't broken in it yet.02:00
dazed|ferris: they are02:00
pvhdazed|: Can you browse them by IP?02:00
dazed|i havent tried pvh02:00
dazed|let me boot up in ubuntu on laptop real quick and ill tell you] 02:00
thoreauputicpvh: haha - I reinvented the wheel ;) But it was a good exercise, and my stove has no timer :)02:01
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pvhthoreauputic: You gotta build a few wheels before you start building racecars. There was this guy who rebuilt some wheel or other who turned out pretty famous.02:01
altava<troll> Shell is power, learn it before any other language</troll>02:01
pvhaltava: PySH02:02
dazed|ferris: on the ubuntu on laptop is hoary and it wont let me 'enable windows networking' there is no option so the laptop has no workgroup02:02
pvhdazed|: "apt-get install smbd samba"02:02
pvhdazed|: See the ubuntuguide for more details.02:02
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thoreauputicaltava: that wasn't a troll ( you needed to leave the tags out ) ;-)02:02
altavaCan do almost averything with shell...02:02
pvhCan do almost anything with Visual Basic, too02:03
dazed|pvh: ahh thats what i forgot...thought i got everything i needed u just reminded me i have it on my pc but not the lap02:03
pvhdazed|: Glad to help.02:03
thoreauputicthe knoppix hard drive installer by Fabian Franz is a shell script...02:03
dudan OS that restricts your abilities thourough CLI would be pretty useless IMHO02:03
dudsorta like win xp :o02:03
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pvhdud: PySH02:03
mjr...but boy, was it _ugly_ :)02:03
pvhdud: It's a really cool idea.02:03
altavaTypical Ubuntu PB: USB keys, Win$ part. : OK with shell work..02:04
pvhdud: Instead of dragging programming into your shell, it drags your shell into programming.02:04
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dudhmmk02:04
dazed|pvh no luck in finding smbd samba02:04
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dudi dunno... for all the good and fantastic stuff about python, i still cant reason with the syntax02:05
Paralla1hi, my sound is working fine with xmms, but on doom3 it becomes very distorted and with artifacts, how can i fix that?02:05
dudit reminds me of something like locomotive basic on the amstrad cpc02:05
pvhdud: What do you prefer?02:06
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dudfor scripting I usually resort to perl, tcl... possibly php for web applications02:07
pvhdazed|: Uh... "sudo apt-get install smbd samba" doesn't work? Are your repositories not there?02:07
dudbut I mainly use perl nowadays02:07
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pvhdud: I also mainly use perl.02:07
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Krauseheya guys :)02:07
dazed|no there there02:07
dazed|it doesnt find anything02:07
pvhdud: But I have to admit, the Perl way of doing OO is heinous.02:08
Quest-MasterI almost only use Python and PHP nowadays.02:08
dazed|their* there02:08
dudpvh, true... but I have high hopes for perl6 in terms of OO02:08
thoreauputicno such package as smbd AFAIK02:08
pvhdazed|: they're there02:08
thoreauputicsamba yes02:08
wongyOkay, i dug around a bit more and found a link to an unofficial package search page (http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/) pretty useful02:08
dazed|lol02:08
thoreauputicsmbfs perhaps?02:08
pvhdud: Yeah, me too. Or I was. I've given up hope.02:08
dazed|smbfs is there02:09
Paralla1My sound is working fine with xmms, but on doom3 it becomes very distorted and with artifacts, how can i fix that?02:09
pvhdazed|: My typo.02:09
wongyanyone here use gnome-pilot-conduits and evolution in Hoary?02:09
Krausei have a quick question :)  i installed Ubuntu on a labtop, with /etc in its own logical partition, and when it loads it cant find the inittab file (which is in /etc) any way around it besids not making /etc its own mount point?02:09
AnubisWarning - your system does not have an ftp user, and thus anonymous FTP is probably not configured.02:09
pvhdazed|: The ubuntuguide will explain how to do it.02:09
dazed|ohh ok lol i thought i was going crazy :/02:09
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altavaAbout samba: apt-get install smb-client ... About network : /etc/samba/smb.conf WORKGROUP=win_namr ;)02:09
dudpvh, well... it doesnt matter too much for me to be honest. as long as I'm able to deliver solutions that works well for customers :)02:09
mjrKrause, putting /etc on its own filesystem is a bad idea02:09
signalI'm trying to compile a gentoo package of the ATI.2 driver, and its the path to X.Org's tree... can anyone explain what the heck is going on here?02:09
dudI'll use any frikkin language that suites the task really02:10
Krauseahh ok, point taken then :)02:10
pvhdud: Yeah, it just doesn't scale well.02:10
Krauseit works when i dont do that :D02:10
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Krausethanks :) ill set it up without doin that now, soon as this new Hoary install cd which i just saw was released in preview finishes burning :)02:11
dudKrause, /etc contains fstab, which is the file the boot process looks up for checking which partitions to mount and how to mount them02:11
msh_away afk02:11
shmoolikdoes someone here knows from were i can get w32codecs*.deb ?02:11
dudand of course, it cant read a partition without having mounted it02:11
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Krauseyea i kinda thought that was the problem, but then how does /boot know what partition / is on?02:12
virtualdwhat's the /srv dir for?02:12
Krausecause ive made /boot and / seperate before and it worked fine02:12
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dudthe boot process knows thourgh the bootloader where root is02:12
dudthrough02:12
Krauseahhhh02:12
altavaKrause: man grub..02:12
Krauseso as long as etc is in root it is set02:12
dudyeah02:12
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dazed|in my Network Settings i cannot select 'enable windows networking' there is no option?02:13
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dudI have to say... ubuntu doesnt quite have the excellent windows shares integration of eg. xandros and mepis yet ;/02:14
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altavadazed: I repeat : /etc/samba/smb.conf do Workroup=same_name_that_your_win$'s one02:14
Krauseoh before i go (thanks again guys :) ) is 500mb too small for a /tmp partition? its a 10 gig HD and i dont wanna allocate too much if its not needed02:14
dudKrause, do you intend to have this computer very public and accessible?02:14
Krauseno02:14
dudprone to hacking?02:14
orkodo you still need to append="mem=2048MB" for 2.6 kernels? (server has 2GB, but only sees 1)02:15
zenroxKrause, do a /boot ,/ and a /home and swap02:15
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dudif so there is really no need for so many partitions02:15
Krausenaa, but i still like seperating the /tmp just incase :)02:15
dazed|atlava: i cant find where it says "Workgroup" in that file...or should i add it if so where?02:15
thoreauputicKrause: do you burn CDs ? If so, you will need to redefine the /tmp dir for your burner02:15
dphasewhy do you like seperating it02:15
zenroxKrause,  no need to02:15
dphasethere really is no need02:15
Krauseahh02:15
mjrKrause, you might consider mounting /tmp as tmpfs (and using a single fs for all the rest ;)02:15
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mjrplus swap02:15
dazed|wait i found it02:16
Krausefor some reason when i was learning linux little over a year ago, most guides and info stressed making multiple partitions02:16
dazed|and its set on workgroup02:16
Krauseso i guess it is a bad habit i got02:16
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zenroxKrause, only onee needed ar / , and a swap and ,/home02:16
altavadazed: line 27 in "global settings"...02:16
Paralla1My sound is working fine with xmms, but on doom3 it becomes very distorted and with artifacts, does anyone know whats wrong?02:16
Krauseany bonus to having /boot in its own?02:16
thoreauputicKrause: no, not any more02:17
zenroxnope02:17
Krausewhat was the bonus, i rember reading it in the past, but been so long i forgot02:17
thoreauputicKrause: used to be with the 1024 cyclinder BIOS limit02:17
Krauseahhh02:17
thoreauputic*cylinder02:17
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trans_errwhere do i blacklist modules?02:17
altava/etc/hotplugs/blacklist02:17
thoreauputic/etc/hotplug/blacklist02:17
dazed|is it because they both have the same server names...could that be why???02:18
altavaSorry hotplug..02:18
altavadazed: change it02:18
Krausehmm, so if i just do /  and /home and swap, should i place the swap at the beginning before / ?  (usually i put it after /boot, for drive read speed)02:18
dazed|altava: how do i change it never had to before?02:18
zenroxKrause,  dont matter02:19
thoreauputicKrause: I really don't think it matters02:19
altavadazed: /etc/hostname02:19
thoreauputicdazed|: hostname02:19
Krauseahh ok :)02:19
gratuitdoes anyone know of a qt theme that uses the current gtk theme to do it's drawing, i.e. make all kde apps look like gtk apps? I know there is a gtk theme that looks like kde.....02:19
zenroxKrause,  mine is in the middle and no slow does02:19
dazed|ohhh ok02:19
zenroxdowns02:19
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thoreauputicKrause: a lot of these recommendations are from a time when hardware was a lot less forgiving and powerful02:20
dazed|thoreaputic: once i change the host name do ihave to restart x cuz nothing is launching now02:20
altavaNobody's care bout my sound prob...: ALSA vs OSS ?02:20
zenroxyep and thay stuck around02:20
Quest-MasterI use ALSA mostly, altava02:21
thoreauputicdazed|: yes02:21
Quest-MasterExcept when playing MIDI02:21
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Krauseahh ok then thanks :) seems i got allot of oldschool habits i need to shake outta my head :)02:21
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thoreauputicdazed|: in fact you have to log out02:21
altavaWanna fired oss how do I ?..02:21
Paralla1when i try to install wine it says that It can't be authenticated !!! How do I install it then ???02:22
zenroxParalla1, irnore that error02:22
Paralla1zenrox: but how do I do it then ?02:22
zenroxerr ignore02:22
zenroxlet it install any way02:23
altavaOSS = low level sound ; alsa was Ok, gstreamer-properties don't work...02:23
dazed|my hostname has been changed successfully i have checked it but when i bring up network:/// its still showing the old hostname02:23
dazed|do i ahve to un/reshare my folders?02:23
Paralla1apt-get install wine02:23
Paralla1It gives me the error and good bye02:23
thoreauputicParalla1: if that's apt-get it just means you are getting the package from an outside repository02:23
pvhCan anyone direct me to a DVD burning troubleshooter?02:23
altavadazed:/etc/init.d/networking restart02:23
zenroxParalla1, just do a sudo apt-get install wine02:23
Paralla1thats what I'm doing02:24
zenroxParalla1, then try snyaptic02:24
Paralla1ok got it now, thanxs02:24
zenroxn/p02:24
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usualsup Quarupt02:26
QuaruptNM02:26
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dazed|still not bringing up the shared folders...ohhhh welll02:26
Quarupttesting the AMD64-Live image02:27
usualk02:27
usualQuarupt, what would a cool domain name be02:27
pvhusual: "ACoolDomainName.com"02:27
Quaruptlol, Mine is Quarupted02:27
Quaruptlol02:27
QuaruptI dunno02:27
usualk02:27
pvhusual: "notquiteusual.com"02:27
usualahh02:28
altavaMy problem : OSS work but at very low level , Alsa was fine but disapeared under OSS after a new instal. Avance logic AC 97 snd card + intel82801. (Don't know bout snd settings..)02:28
zenroxusual,  nottheusualwebpage.org02:28
pvhusual: "UnusuallyUsual"02:28
thoreauputictotallyirrelevant.org02:28
technomajian"betyoudneverguessthisone.net"02:28
usualcool02:28
usualthanks guys02:28
usualdon't wanna go off topic too long02:28
pvhthat'll be $9.95 for my marketing services02:28
usualhad some issues with a dick op in debian before02:29
zenroxlol02:29
usualpvh, bill me :)02:29
pvhusual: ubuntu is a nice distribution02:29
usualyes it is02:29
thoreauputicpvh: gee, you're cheap *grin*02:29
pvhthoreauputic: That was my bill for about five seconds of time.02:29
zenroxgood mix of cli and gui02:29
usualhas anyone replaced metacity with something and still managed to keep a "human" theme02:29
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thoreauputicpvh: hehe02:29
Dekkard..thinking of sneaking an ubuntu install onto my mums old hp desktop..but she has no broadband..updating woudl be a bear...02:29
usual1 slice he02:30
Quaruptwhats Metacity?02:30
QuaruptA theme?02:30
usualthe window manager in gnome02:30
Dekkardmetacity is the file browser02:30
Dekkardoops window manager02:30
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Dekkardthe heir of sawfish i think02:30
Quinn_Stormquick question, trying to set up KDE on ubuntu, but there is some kind of problem with the konq-plugins package...the version provided is older than the general kde install, and conflicts with kdelibs and such.  any thoughts?02:31
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QuaruptQuinn_Storm,  just use kubuntu-desktop02:32
pvhDekkard: One work around for lowbandwidth would be to burn the necessary updates to a CD from time to time and take them over to your Dear Old Mum02:32
Quinn_StormQuarupt: thank you muchly02:32
Quinn_StormQuarupt: that's kde3.4 right?02:32
Dekkardnot a bad idea pvh02:32
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QuaruptQuinn_Storm, yessir02:33
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Dekkardmaybe lod them onto a thumb drive...02:33
pvhDekkard: Even better02:33
Quinn_StormQuarupt: thanks, aptgetting right now.  saw kde3.4 on /. today and couldn't wait to try it out, heh02:33
Dekkardhmmm02:33
dudpvh, is that an evil hat coloured red? :o02:33
QuaruptQuinn_Storm, Yea I have been running it for a few feeks now, its beautiful02:33
pvhdud: Not for several years now02:34
dudpvh, I hope not hehe :P02:34
Quinn_StormQuarupt: I'm glad for ubuntu b/c debian core still isn't ready to move up to xorg, heh02:34
dudyour face would be white then....02:34
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QuaruptSID is using Xorg02:34
Xappesid viscious?02:35
Xappe:)02:35
Quinn_StormQuarupt: it wasn't the last time I apt-get updated to the current sid (a few moments ago)...maybe I need to look into the packages more deeply02:35
jdubQuarupt: sid doesn't have xorg.02:35
QuaruptOh maybe i did that myself02:35
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Quaruptmy bad02:36
crimsunheh, Sid most definitely uses XFree86 :-)02:36
freexhello to all02:36
Quinn_StormQuarupt: probably, heh, I thought about that but I'd rather use ubuntu than wait for it to compile02:36
dudhas anyone used the agnula/demudi distro for recording btw?02:36
freexi've just installed warty in my PC, and when i click on synapse nothing comes out?02:36
dudthis isnt really the place to ask(TM), but I'll ask anyway as it is debian based hehe ;o02:37
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Quinn_Stormdud: never heard of those...what are they?02:37
QuaruptDebian doesnt even have a package for Xorg? you have to compile it?02:37
dudQuinn_Storm, specialized audio distros02:37
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Quinn_StormQuarupt: yep, no xorg package that I know of outside of ubuntu on debian-based...maybe someone else knows something I don't?02:37
Quinn_Stormdud: I see, cool02:37
dudtending to low latency and stability basically for audio professionals02:37
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Quinn_StormI do want to say though that outside of debian-based, I've never seen a linux/*nix distro where there were (i386) binary packages for /everything/ and where 99.999% or so of packages "just work"02:39
Quinn_Stormoh, quick question, I usually pick gdm, but what's everyone's favorite between gdm/kdm?02:39
dudQuinn_Storm, its the power of apt :)02:39
geneo93crimsun:  are you busy02:39
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crimsungeneo93: sorting some packages, but otherwise not terribly so. What's up?02:40
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dudI rather like xdm, the old-school user that I am02:40
Quinn_Stormdud: apt and a lot of people working to make sure the whole thing works, heh, including those in ubuntu and the debian team themselves...lol, xdm is nice but it isn't pretty, heh02:40
freexi've just installed warty in my PC, and when i click on synapse nothing comes out?02:40
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crimsunI'm rather fond of xdm, too.02:40
dudthruth be told, I use gdm on my ubuntu though02:41
dudjust for ease and showing off to my mates :P02:41
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Quinn_StormI think I'll stick with gdm myself...though eventually I'll have to try kdm02:41
geneo93well i was using dun for ubuntu and i now hooked up lan it says its connected but i cant get any response but here in mandrake its fine02:41
thoreauputicunsupported xorg packages for debian sid>>  http://incubator.vislab.usyd.edu.au/roller/page/Steve/2004090902:41
dudfreex, try writing eject on the command line if you want something to come out of your pc :O02:41
geneo93any ideas crimsun02:42
Quinn_Stormthoreauputic: I think that repository is gone actually02:42
crimsungeneo93: "dun"?02:42
geneo93dial up02:42
Quinn_Stormcrimsun: dial-up networking, probably02:42
Quinn_Stormit's a windows term02:42
thoreauputicQuinn_Storm: ah, someone should tell the dpkg bot in #debian :)02:42
dudone gotta love debian... the seldom time that a new release happens, its the biggest thing on the net02:42
dudbecause its so darn rare hehe02:43
DarthFrogFor 15 minutes, anyway.02:43
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Quinn_Stormdud: lol, yeah, when sarge finally goes gold debian torrents will complete in moments02:43
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dudI remember when woody replaced potatoe... talk about buzz hehe :D02:43
dudback then slashdot just went crazy hehe02:43
DarthFrogWonder how long it will take to get etch out after sarge.02:43
dud3 years I'd recon....02:44
Quinn_StormWell it depends on wether they really do drop official support for extra architectures02:44
altavaDoes anyone knows about a good webcam for ubuntu? No settings required..02:44
dudbut they have talked about limiting the supported archs to speed up the release time.....02:44
dudaltava, most webcams are supported now02:44
DarthFrogQuinn_Storm: Right.  Fewer official architectures should mean a shorter devel cycle, one hopes.02:45
altavaphilips toucam:((02:45
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Quinn_Stormyay! ugly keramik default gone in favor of plastik! (just got it up and running)02:45
gaatmxSid=unstable & Sarge=testing???02:45
dudthen again... debian IS debian02:45
geneo93funny thing comes up in network-sdmin though says mshome.net instead of mshome and when i change it the box evaporats02:45
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DarthFroggaatmx: Yes.02:45
DarthFroggaatmx: Sid will always be unstable. :-)02:45
thoreauputicQuinn_Storm: that's a good decision02:45
crimsungeneo93: can you resolve your fully-qualified hostname?02:45
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Quinn_Stormthoreauputic: KDE 3.4 is nice and shiny02:46
geneo93i was using dhcp02:46
gaatmxDarthFrog.- Therefore, SID IS more "edge-bleeding"??02:46
thoreauputickeramik looked like a refugee design from a 70s commune02:46
RiddellQuinn_Storm: any specific shiny bit you like?02:46
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geneo93it says ubuntu02:46
Quinn_StormRiddell: not sure yet, -just- installed it, heh, but its -pretty-!02:46
DarthFroggaatmx: Well, when you're on the cutting edge, you might bleed! :-)02:46
dudkde just has too much buttons and .... well, stuff02:46
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Riddelldoes ubuntu have a menu entry for running the file manager as root?02:47
geneo93kde does a lot more though02:47
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dudI havent still encountered an unsolvable problem using gnome02:47
raptor9kwhat package would i find the libgnutls.so.10 file in?02:48
duddouble negative :o02:48
crimsungeneo93: ok, I'll rephrase: can you resolve the ip address assigned to your primary network interface (usually eth0)?02:48
altavaRiddell: ?? chmod -ao name_of_prog02:48
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crimsunlibgnutls10: /usr/lib/libgnutls.so.1002:48
crimsun^^ raptor9k02:48
geneo93i'll see bbiab crimsun02:48
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raptor9ki'm receiving an error when NetworkManagerInfo tries to start, says the file is missing02:48
Riddellaltava: that's not what I'm asking, I'm asking if by default ubuntu has a menu entry to run nautilus as super user02:49
DarthFrogRiddell: Are you removing capabilities from KDE or just re-organising their presentation?02:49
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RiddellDarthFrog: just reorganising things, menus and panel etc02:49
dudI don't believe it has that menu entry Riddell02:50
DarthFrogRiddell: Phew!02:50
Riddelldud: cool, thanks02:50
dudat least not hoary as far as I can see02:50
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mdzRiddell: no, Ubuntu doesn't have such a menu option02:50
mdzand I consider the idea vaguely evil02:50
mhzdrasko ??02:51
lobeznohow can I watch divx with gstreamer?02:51
dudbut then again, I've just had two quite massively huge glasses of wine :/02:51
NetwrkMonkeyhow do i get usb headset/headphones to work in ubuntu?02:52
NetwrkMonkeythe system sees them02:52
NetwrkMonkeyi see them in the volume control02:52
altavalobezno:apt-get install w32codecs or something like that (need marillat)02:52
NetwrkMonkeybut not sure how to switch the audio from the main speakers to the headphones02:52
freexdud: thanks for that very useful answer, does it have a service already?02:52
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raptor9kcrimsun, thanks that seems to have fixed it02:52
lobeznoaltava, but with xine I can see divx02:52
DarthFrogmdz: Vaguely evil? Hmm. Why?02:53
dudfreex, hmm? does what have a service?02:53
wasabi_What should I use for frequency scaling on a laptop (ppc)?02:53
wasabi_I want it to scale down when it's on battery automaticayll02:53
freexdud: writing eject02:53
mdzDarthFrog: because I can't think of a use case for it, and it's a dangerous thing to expose in the desktop02:53
dud writing eject ejects your cdrom02:53
NoxHow do I use enlightenment under gnome?02:53
dudunless its busy that is02:53
altavalobezno:xine only here;) but I've heard bout smthing for gstreamer...02:54
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freexdud: hehehe good one.02:54
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geneo93crimsun:  seems to work now got a 192.168.0.25502:55
dudI'm the good one in the good, the bad and the ubly02:55
dudugly02:55
freexdud: but am talking about synapse not my cdrom02:55
crimsungeneo93: ah, you're NATed02:55
freexhavent you notice that?02:55
freex"good one"02:55
geneo93yup i'm in ubuntu02:55
DarthFroggeneo93: 0.255?  Are you sure that's not your brodcast address?02:55
dudfreex, synaptic? try loading it from a terminal to catch any quit error messages02:55
geneo93thats in the ifconfig02:56
DarthFrogs/broadcast/brodcast/02:56
freexdud: how will i do that?02:56
crimsungeneo93: ok, and you're having problems with...?02:56
freex<<< new in ubuntu and in linux02:56
dudnot terribly normal for a NAT router to deliver out a 0.255 adress....02:57
DulathWhen burning the Live CD, I don't want to close/finalize the CD, right?02:57
DarthFrogfreex: Welcome to the Light Side of The Force. :-)02:57
dudfreex, click on the Applications on the top of your screen, then System Tools, and Terminal02:57
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marcus__Hello.. How do I open up the Universal list for packages through apt-get?02:57
d27654What's the preferred method of diddling with services in Ubuntu?  Just edit the file?  I'm a redhat "chkconfig" convert. :)02:57
geneo93crimsun:  scanner epson 1250 prefection photo02:57
freexokay, how will i invoke synapse from there?02:58
dudthen just write synaptic freex02:58
geneo93use plustek module02:58
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dudsynaptic not synapse02:58
crimsungeneo93: I'm not one for scanners, apologies.02:58
freexokay thanks dud02:58
DulathAnyone?02:58
geneo93and sane only find my capture card02:58
dudDulath, both would work... whatever lifts your skirt02:59
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geneo93crimsun:  thats ok02:59
DulathHow can it rewrite to a closed CD-R?02:59
DarthFrogLifts your skirt???  LOL!02:59
dudyou cant rewrite unless its a cd-rw not cd-r02:59
DarthFrogDulath: You can't.02:59
DulathOh, that's helpful to know.02:59
dudas in ReWrite02:59
DulathI suppose I could have figured that out myself02:59
marcus__Hello.. How do I open up the Universal list for packages through apt-get?02:59
marcus__Or.. How may I access jigdo within Ubuntu?03:00
d27654well crap, it uses inetd instead of xinetd by default?03:00
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dudheh, the questions never stops in #ubuntu for sure :o03:00
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dudmarcus__, http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories03:01
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marrrrkkkhow can i install ubuntu from but starting the pc from a Dos floppy?03:01
dudmarrrrkkk, start your pc from a linux boot floppy or a linux cdrom03:02
marrrrkkkthe pc does not boot from cd03:02
marrrrkkkand the  image on ubuntu cd gave me an error03:02
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thoreauputicmarrrrkkk: from windows, writing a boot floppy for a linux install involves using the rawrite program03:03
marrrrkkkyes i did that03:04
geneo93marrrrkkk:  does the f12 key give you boot options03:04
neomhttp://fun.drno.de/flash/howto_turn_windows_into_linux.swf03:04
marrrrkkkno when i start it it give me an error03:05
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marrrrkkksomone told me a bout a utility linld to start up the kernel - but i do not know how to use it03:06
geneo93marrrrkkk:  how old is that thing03:07
thoreauputicneom: heh - funny but hardly accurate :)03:07
cefso how stable in the new evo, anyone?03:07
marrrrkkkpentium one 1.8gb03:07
geneo93how much ram03:08
marrrrkkk6403:08
geneo93not enough for gui03:08
Xappenot enough for gnome you mean03:08
Xappei'm sure he can run like fluxbox or something03:09
geneo93not enough for much of anything really todays world03:09
marrrrkkki want tu install a basic system03:09
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Xappeit would be a nice router/firewall03:09
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geneo93smoothwall or the like03:10
marrrrkkkjust for browsing and connecting to an windows 2000 internet gateway03:10
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geneo93hehe i'm connected to an xp box atm getting sp203:11
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Xappegeneo93, i would go for shorewall03:11
geneo93not mine thank god03:11
Xappehehe03:11
dudmarrrrkkk, not to be evil and promote other distributions here... but you might want to consider something like slackware?03:11
dudubuntu is very stream-lined towards modern computers...03:12
geneo93Xappe:  smoothwall has lots of nice features03:12
marrrrkkkwhich version of slackware?03:12
dudmarrrrkkk, the newest I'd suppose03:12
geneo93marrrrkkk:  you could try damn small linux on that thing03:12
marrrrkkksomone else suggeted me vector linux03:13
sean_all my windows disapear insted of dropping into the panel,what did I do?03:13
marrrrkkkok03:13
dudvector linux is mainly for asian users03:13
d27654Did they build the kernel without items like the ham radio packet radio, etc?03:13
sean_anyone?03:13
geneo93dsl is 50 mb03:13
thoreauputicdud: where did you get that idea? Vecor is Canadian!03:13
thoreauputic*vector03:14
thoreauputicVector is Slack based (nice distro)03:14
sean_opps fixed it03:14
sean_i am stuptid03:14
Xappegeneo93, well, shorewall is total rock 'n' roll03:14
Xappe;)03:14
geneo93hehe maybe they have asians in canada03:14
sean_and I cant spell03:14
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dudSorry thoreauputic, I was thinking turbo linux :o03:15
duddunno why hhe03:15
dudheh*03:15
FackamatoHow do I check the size of a directory and all the files and subdirs in it?03:15
thoreauputicdud: ah i see03:15
thoreauputicdu -H03:15
thoreauputicor du -h03:15
geneo93conectiva is spanish03:15
thoreauputicFackamato: if it's a big directory I'd redirect the output to a file03:17
Fackamatothanks03:17
thoreauputicFackamato: du -h > directoryinfo   or something03:17
dudwell, time for me to hit the crib :)03:17
dudcheers people03:18
Fackamatonn dud03:18
thoreauputicsee you dud :)03:18
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FackamatoI wish gnome's nautilus had that, rightclick a dir, properties, and get the size info ;(03:18
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thoreauputicFackamato:  Edit > Preferences > Display03:19
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miketechHi03:19
miketechwe are currently testing the hoary live cd03:20
miketechnow we wanna restart the networking devices, but we don't have root access, because we don't know the password :)03:20
miketechwhat is the root password for the hoary live cd?03:20
geneo93miketech:  you have a mouse in your pocket03:20
crimsunsudo /etc/init.d/networking restart03:20
miketechah ok03:21
miipis the 5.04 preview unstable or sofe to use?03:21
miipsafe03:21
kainI use it and I'm happy with it03:21
d27654I use it, love it03:21
miipok thanks03:21
crimsunit's certainly safe, but Hoary has been updated quite a bit since its release03:21
FackamatoI use it, loev it03:21
geneo93here too03:21
DarthFrogmiip: Don't put it on a production server.  It's a great desktop, though.03:21
thoreauputicmiip: just sacrifice your first-born and you should be fine ;-)03:22
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Fackamatothoreauputic: I can't find "directory size" there03:25
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thoreauputicFackamato: just realised the "size" option for directories in Nautilus just tells you the number of files in the directory - pretty useless03:25
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mhzping drasko ??03:25
Fackamatothoreauputic: :>03:26
thoreauputicFackamato: it does show file sizes though - just select the top option as "size"03:26
deville_75hi i need help with the sound on my computer03:26
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crimsundeville_75: shoot.03:26
mhzhey, deville_7503:26
deville_75my sound isnt working, and i dont kno how to install drivers03:26
crimsundeville_75: what sound card?03:26
mhzdid you try your sound as root?03:26
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deville_75well im not sure, i went to device manager but its old so it doesnt have a name03:27
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deville_75sound as root?03:27
crimsundeville_75: do you know if it's ISA or PCI?03:27
deville_75most likely PCI03:27
stephen-Mine's pci, sound blaster.. something or other, any idea where I can get drivers?03:27
crimsundeville_75: paste the output of ,,lspci -v'' onto http://pastebin.ca03:28
mhzdeville_75: basically, I am starting with very usual problems, like user has no permission for sound03:28
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deville_75ok03:28
crimsunstephen-: _which_ soundblaster pci card?03:28
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stephen-crimsun, I really don't know, I always used some 3rd party drivers on windows because I didn't know what kind03:29
mhzdeville_75: if sound works when you are logged as root, then your card is ok and you only gotta let user access sound group03:29
stephen-crimsun, It's a sound blaster audigy or something, I don't know the model03:29
geneo93hell i got an old vibra 16 that works03:29
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pablo928I'm trying to install java....can anyone help me?03:29
deville_75oh03:29
crimsunstephen-: please follow the same instructions I gave deville_7503:29
deville_75how do i do that?03:29
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stephen-crimsun, I'm on it :)03:29
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dazed_pablo928: goto www.ubuntuguide.org03:29
deville_75crimsun: ive pasted it, do i jus press enter?03:29
crimsunpablo928: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats03:29
dazed_they have an amazing walk through for java03:29
mhzdeville_75: are you talking to me?03:29
deville_75ya03:30
deville_75mhz:how do i do that,03:30
pablo928dazed: I've tried that, but I'm still having problems03:30
mhzdeville_75: ah, ok :)03:30
deville_75hehe03:30
dazed_wpablo928:hat kind of problems03:30
dazed_pablo928: what kind of problems*03:31
mhzdeville_75: first, in a terminal, log in as usual... and then write: groups03:31
crimsunwhoever just posted to pastebin.ca: you need to paste the output of that command, not just the command :-)03:31
geneo93crimsun:  ya know my java dir has jre 1.5 instead of j2re 1.503:31
stephen-crimsun, http://pastebin.ca/760103:31
mhzdeville_75: if the output says audio, cdrom, etc...03:31
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deville_75im new to Linux, howdo i log in Terminal03:31
mhzdeville_75: ah... good point03:32
pablo928I pasted all the commands from the guide and when I get to cd browse_to _your _download _folder sit says no such file03:32
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LifeEscaladehey every103:32
mhzdeville_75: are you using Gnome?03:32
crimsunstephen-: you actually have 2 cards: your onboard Intel AC97 and the Audigy03:32
deville_75ya03:32
stephen-crimsun, Yeah I know; I want to use the audigy obviously03:32
dazed_pablo928: 'brows_to_your_download_folder' is just an example you actually have to put the folder where you downloaded it to not those words03:32
mhzdeville_75: then there's gotta be an icon that looks like a black screen of a monitor03:32
crimsunstephen-: cat /proc/asound/modules03:33
deville_75its in applications, it says root terminal, thers also terminal03:33
deville_75which one?03:33
mhzterminal03:33
dazed_pablo928: say you download to your desktop it would look like 'cd /home/<usr name>/Desktop'03:33
stephen-crimsun, Can I paste those two lines in here?03:33
pablo928I tried cd home and still no such file03:33
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Otheoshey all03:34
Otheoshelp please03:34
crimsunstephen-: sure03:34
mhzdeville_75: if you use root terminal, means that you become the super user and therefore you MUST know what you do and the password for his log03:34
dazed_pablo928: try cd /home03:34
stephen-crimsun 0 snd_intel8x0  1 snd_emu10k103:34
LifeEscaladeIm new to linux and i was wondering if anyone could help me out a little bit with the commands and how I install programs03:34
deville_75ya i kno the password, ive been in it before03:34
pablo928Thanks dazed, I'll try that.03:34
mhzdeville_75: instead, Terminal means you access as the user currently logged03:34
deville_75ok...so i should use the current one?03:35
mhzbetter03:35
deville_75ok03:35
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dazed_pablo928: but make sure u change to the directory where u downloaded java to or else it wont work03:35
Otheosanyone ever use a raid card with ubuntu...03:35
deville_75then wut03:35
mhzdeville_75: once in terminal, you 'll see something like $03:35
deville_75yup03:35
Butters|XGH|SnipOk heres a good question.....How do I downgrade my 7167 nvidia drivers to the 6629 ??03:35
thoreauputicdeville_75: you don't ever really *need8 to use the root terminal ( I don't)03:35
deville_75oh03:36
mhzafter that $ just write the word (or command) group03:36
crimsunstephen-: ok, so what I advise you do is tell alsa that you prefer all other sound cards over the onboard Intel AC9703:36
mhzafter that $ just write the word (or command) groups03:36
deville_75ok03:36
crimsunstephen-: are you on Hoary?03:36
deville_75it says command not foun03:36
deville_75found*03:36
mhzdeville_75: groups ??03:36
deville_75ther03:36
stephen-crimsun, no, not the preview release one.. the other, I haven't had a chance to download the iso's yet03:36
LifeEscaladedoes anyone here know how to install programs onto linux?03:36
pablo928I've got it now dazed thanks alot.03:37
d27654ubuntuguide is a bit out of date?  apt-get install acroread (and acroread-plugin) no workie03:37
mhzdeville_75: hmmmmmm strange very is03:37
crimsunstephen-: warty?03:37
Butters|XGH|SnipOk heres a good question.....How do I downgrade my 7167 nvidia drivers to the 6629 ??03:37
Butters|XGH|SnipAnybody?03:37
stephen-crimsun, yes thats it.03:37
thenukepablo928: try synaptic03:37
sic|whats the trick to make xine or any other player see my dvd burner/player?03:37
crimsunButters|XGH|Snip: erm, how did you end up with 1.0-7167?03:37
thenukepablo928: you find it from the menus03:37
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Butters|XGH|Snipcrimsun, lol I installed and patched them03:37
thoreauputicLifeEscalade: no, not one of the 372 people here knows ;)03:37
crimsunstephen-: hmm, there's a different approach for Warty03:37
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crimsunstephen-: type this in a terminal: echo "snd-emu10k1" | sudo tee -a /etc/modules03:38
stephen-crimsun, snd-emu10k103:38
DarthFrogthoreauputic: Oh, I think one or two of us might have a glimmering. :-)03:39
marrrrkkkis sbm.bin the boot image for the booting diskette?03:39
thoreauputicLifeEscalade: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto03:39
crimsunstephen-: excellent. Now when you next reboot, your Audigy will be the first card (card0)03:39
LifeEscaladethank you thoreauputic03:39
thoreauputicDarthFrog: ;-)03:39
Butters|XGH|SnipI think I'm screwed03:39
stephen-crimsun, Thanks! :) bbiab03:39
DarthFrogButters|XGH|Snip: Then relax and enjoy it!03:39
Butters|XGH|SnipDarthFrog, But I have to have Nvidia 3D to enjoy it ;P03:40
geneo93yeah dont fight it you might get hurt03:40
Butters|XGH|Snipnobody knows how to downgrade nvidia drivers?03:41
DarthFrogButters|XGH|Snip: I'm afraid you're going to have to wait a while.03:41
geneo93Butters|XGH|Snip:  if you have nvidias installer you can remove driver03:41
zenroxButters|XGH|Snip,  why not stick with 7176 driver03:41
Butters|XGH|Sniplol the driver keeps crashing on me I guess03:42
zenroxhow so03:42
Butters|XGH|Snipit completely locks up my 2.6.11 kernel03:42
zenroxhave you modprobe that driver03:42
Butters|XGH|SnipI get the nvidia splash and everything when I boot03:43
zenroxmight try downgrading you kernel03:43
Butters|XGH|Snipwait oh damn.... I guess I do need to modprobe it huh?03:43
Butters|XGH|SnipI thought a reboot would do that too though03:43
marrrrkkkhow do i make a booting diskette for launching the installation of ubuntu?03:44
zenroxButters|XGH|Snip,  as long as nvidia is added to /etc/modules03:44
LifeEscaladedoes anyone know if I can play counter strike on ubuntu?03:44
FackamatoLifeEscalade: err of course03:44
LifeEscaladeand if so, how would I go about installing it?03:44
Butters|XGH|Snipzenrox, yeah its in there already03:44
crimsunLifeEscalade: using Cedega or Wine, yes03:44
Fackamatoget cedega03:44
Fackamatothen google a howto03:44
Butters|XGH|SnipLMAO I've been playing CS all night03:45
Butters|XGH|Sniplol till my nvidia drivers crashed on me03:45
LifeEscaladeI take it cedega is a win emu?03:45
Butters|XGH|Snipits not an emu03:45
LifeEscaladeX.x03:45
Butters|XGH|Sniplol Wine (Wine Is Not an Emulator03:45
Butters|XGH|Snip)03:45
zenroxButters|XGH|Snip,  i jsut rebotted when thay quit worken03:45
zenroxfor me03:45
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Butters|XGH|Snipah so your screwed to huh?03:45
zenroxno03:45
zenroxi jsut reboot and thay work03:46
Xappebut cedega is not free. it's like $20 a month03:46
Butters|XGH|SnipLMAO not $2003:46
Xappeyou can get a free version, cvscedega though03:46
crimsun$5/mo03:46
Butters|XGH|Sniptry $5...its $15 to sign up but that pays for 3 months worth of updates03:46
Xappeoops03:46
Xappe:D03:46
speelXappe, dude torrent that biznatch03:46
LifeEscaladeis wine free?03:46
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geneo93crimsun:  is that codeweavers wine03:46
crimsunwine is free03:46
Butters|XGH|SnipWine is free but its not as good as Cedega/Point2Play03:46
dazed_what do i need to fix this error 'ERROR: NV-CONTROL extension not found on this Display.'03:46
crimsungeneo93: no, transgaming's winex/cedega03:46
cefalso: once installed you can keep using it, but you get no updates03:47
Butters|XGH|SnipI play Source on Cedega03:47
zenroxdazed_,  enable your nvidia driver03:47
Butters|XGH|SnipI normally get about 80fps03:47
LifeEscaladewell my pc isnt good enough for source... my pc is soo old it doesnt have an agp 4x port03:47
Butters|XGH|Snipon Source03:47
Butters|XGH|Sniplol on 1.6 I get about 200fps03:47
LifeEscalade-_-03:47
zenroxwhare do you get the source to CS03:47
Butters|XGH|Sniplol hell glxgears outputted 15,000 for me03:48
LifeEscaladeoh how i wish03:48
FackamatoButters|XGH|Snip: what graphics card do you have?03:48
Butters|XGH|SnipGeforce 6800 GT OC03:48
Fackamatonice03:48
Fackamatogive me that ;P03:48
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LifeEscaladeSource is a new edition of Counterstrike03:48
Butters|XGH|Sniplol my friend hooked me up...only broke me $30003:48
Fackamatosource is counter-strike based on the source engine (the engine that HL2 uses)03:48
Butters|XGH|Sniphe works at BestBuy ;D03:48
miipno source is a 3d engine03:48
Fackamatoerr i must be tired or something03:48
ChrisC_sorry if this is a FAQ but I couldn't find anything ... so, I'll bite:  what's SABDFL stand for?03:49
Butters|XGH|Snipzenrox, So you think a reboot will fix it?03:49
LifeEscaladeWell, all I want to know is the in's and out's of using a linux system03:49
Fackamatoson of a bitch, dig fucking longer ?;P03:49
dazed_zenrox: how do i enable my nvidia driver...and/or get my nvidia driver03:49
dazed_do i dl standard windows nvidia drivers?03:49
ChrisC_My guess is South African B____ D____ Fearless Leader03:50
kainMark Shuttleworth03:50
DoppelGangergives dazed_ genius award03:50
ChrisC_kain: that I know03:50
kainreally dunno what that means03:50
zenroxdazed_,  read www.ubuntuguide.org for nvidia driver install03:50
Butters|XGH|Snipok I'm rebooting again...hope it fixes it03:50
dazed_thanks DoppleGanger...cant all be such a wizz as you ^-03:50
ChrisC_South African Born D____ Fearless Leader03:50
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dazed_btw what is a doppleganger...a human overlay after one goes back in time?03:51
DoppelGangerdazed_: google03:51
LifeEscaladelol03:51
miipif you clone yourself twice, the clones are doppelgngers ;)03:52
Xappeohoh, I can buy a 300 GB Maxtor for something like $13003:52
dazed_ahhh ok03:52
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Xappea "dont ask any questions" deal03:53
Xappe*don't03:53
Otheoshi folks03:53
NetwrkMonkeyi got my headphones sorted out03:53
geneo93but why03:53
NetwrkMonkeymmm these headphones rock03:53
XappeI stepped on mine. they're totally broken03:53
tritiumB.D. = Benevolent Dictator03:53
marrrrkkkwhen im installing it giving me the error cannot open root device03:54
cefnote that a doppleganger basically refers to something that looks (or behaves) exactly the same as something else, but in reality may be something different03:54
ChrisC_S.A. = Secret Acronym :)03:54
d27654eth1 connects to my neighbor's hub again I'm gonna shoot it03:54
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ChrisC_Secret Acronym Best Disguised From Lusers !03:55
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thoreauputicChrisC_: South African Boss D -- Fearless Leader ?03:55
IkoNwhy is it that when i run the update manager i have to use the normal user password  instead of root's ?03:55
reverHi I am trying to install msttcorefonts. I added mutliverse and did sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts. It gives me this....03:56
thoreauputicChrisC_: I like yours better :)03:56
IkoNif i use root's password i get a "wrong" pass error03:56
reverPackage msttcorefonts is not available, but is referred to by another package.03:56
reverThis may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or03:56
reveris only available from another source03:56
reverE: Package msttcorefonts has no installation candidate03:56
ChrisC_South African Boss Determined to Force Linux !03:56
stuNNedIkoN: because that is the way sudo acts, check your /etc/sudoers file you'll see your name in there :)03:56
ChrisC_This is fun :)03:56
zenroxIkoN,  casue thare ant spost to be a root03:56
DarthFrogChrisC_: What's the URL?03:56
IkoNhrm, but sudo passwd root allowed me to the change the pass, cant i make a 'root' ?03:56
DarthFrogIkoN: You probably did.03:57
IkoNi dont want to run an account with full admin rights03:57
IkoNwtf, esp be on IRC with it..03:57
IkoNthats ghetto security03:57
thoreauputicIkoN: the apps use gksudo, front end for sudo03:57
ChrisC_DarthFrog: there was an email annoucement today by Jeff Waugh regarding the naming of Ubuntu 5.10, and he kept referring to SABDFL03:57
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XappeIkoN, what's the difference...they could get your root pass as easily as your sudo pass03:58
DarthFrogChrisC_: Have you seen that email on any of the news sites?03:58
thoreauputicIkoN: you aren't running as root except for the command prefixed with "sudo"03:58
Xappeif you're paranoid03:58
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sic|problem: Xine disappears when telling it to play a dvd, any suggestions?03:58
IkoNif you dont use secure password's they can get (not saying any box isnt hackable) but using an account with admin rights is like saying.. 'hey heres my box, IP, and main account.. HACK ME PLEASE'03:59
ChrisC_DarthFrog: hmmm, no, and no google hits either ...03:59
Xappeanother problem: firefox dies when telling it to browse...03:59
thoreauputicIkoN: youhaven't understood how sudo works03:59
stuNNedIkoN: it doesn't have admin rights unless you enter a password, just like 'su -' to root.03:59
IkoNi understand how it works..03:59
IkoNsu - account here03:59
DarthFrogChrisC_: Nothing on www.ubuntu.com03:59
IkoNaccount here being root04:00
IkoNthen a password is needed04:00
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IkoNbut still, i shouldnt have access (as a normal user) to be able to run things such as an update manager04:00
stuNNedIkoN: either way you need a password, actually sudo is more secure than su to root04:00
kainChrisC_, just look at the team leader of ubuntu's desktop team: Gill Bates.04:00
IkoNand have the time it asks for MY password to run things "as root"04:00
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stuNNedIkoN: you *can't* run it unless you enter the password, if you don't like it, take your name out of the /etc/sudoers file and create a normal root account.04:01
thoreauputicIkoN: only the first user has sudo rights by default - others have to be added with visudo04:01
IkoNcoughs even.04:01
sic|problem: Xine disappears when telling it to play a dvd, any suggestions?04:01
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tritiumIkoN, you might benefit from reading: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo04:02
IkoNmy name isnt in that file04:02
IkoN User privilege specification04:02
IkoNroot    ALL=(ALL) ALL04:02
IkoN# Members of the admin group may gain root privileges04:02
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IkoN%admin  ALL=(ALL) ALL04:02
MoonWitchissue : USB Wireless network adapter won't work (netgear ma111)04:02
IkoNand i removed myself from that group after i made another account.04:02
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Otheoshow does one modify the install to use specific controller drivers?04:03
sic|ran it in console and got like 12 crashes04:03
sic|libdvdnav errors04:03
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EsKis it possible to add more reps04:04
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zenroxsic|,  might help to apt-get install libdvdcss04:04
sic|zenrox, thanks...I appreciate the help..will do04:04
LifeEscaladehey i have a question04:04
zenroxsic|,  also read www.ubuntuguide.org04:04
LifeEscaladei downloaded all the files i needed to instal wine, applied it and what do i have to do to get it to work??04:05
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zenroxLifeEscalade,  wine file.exe04:05
Butters|XGH|Snipzenrox, well I'm screwed worse than I thought04:05
Xappehmm, drinking beer and doing laundry...this *is* life04:05
LifeEscaladewhere would i find it??04:05
zenroxButters|XGH|Snip,  reinstall the drivers04:05
Butters|XGH|Sniplol04:05
d27654bash: /usr/bin/acroread: Permission denied  ... lame04:05
calcuse evince04:05
sic|zenrox, well doesn't look like libdvdcss is available through apt-get...going to go read the guide..tried searching the wiki to no avail..thanks04:06
Butters|XGH|Snipnah I didn't get a splash screen this time but I got an error from X04:06
DarthFrogChrisC_: Did that email come on the Ubuntu Annouce list?04:06
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zenroxButters|XGH|Snip,  ya reinstall the drivers04:06
Butters|XGH|Snipsomething about /etc/X11R6/libfb.a or somethings04:06
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calccool another person from houston :)04:06
ChrisC_DarthFrog: yup, sent Thu, 17 Mar 2005 03:26:10 +110004:06
DromioHi04:06
geneo93skj you need to add multi universe repository04:06
DromioYup04:06
ChrisC_do the math :)04:06
zenroxLifeEscalade,  just like i told you on how to run it04:07
zenroxLifeEscalade,  in a terminal04:07
Butters|XGH|Snipzenrox, aight ... lol can I install the 6629 drivers?? Will it over write the 7167 ones if I do that?04:07
DarthFrogKDE 3.4 has been released, officially.04:07
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zenroxButters|XGH|Snip,  use the 7176 binary installer04:07
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ChrisC_ha!  looking at the email's header's, the announce list is hosted on africaninspace.com04:07
geneo93yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!04:07
DarthFroghttp://lwn.net/Articles/127921/04:07
Butters|XGH|Sniplol you can keep kde04:07
Otheoscould someone help me install ubuntu?04:07
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Butters|XGH|SnipI always had problems with kde04:08
DromioFinally got hoary64 running :)04:08
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XappeOtheos, what's the problem?04:08
Butters|XGH|Snipzenrox, so your saying don't patch it?04:08
IkoNis kubuntu installable?04:08
OtheosI'm trying to install using a raid controller...04:08
OtheosI'm clueless as to how to use the drivers.04:08
Xappeok, never used raid04:09
DarthFrogIkoN: Yes.  I'm running it.04:09
Deimos-if I install ubuntu on a system that has lilo, and keep lilo instead of grub, should that cause Xserv to have problems?04:09
DromioAnyone know of a good desktop calendar program?  My wife loved Rainlender on XP, she needs a suitable replacement.04:09
geneo93IkoN:  yes04:09
thoreauputicIkoN: kubuntu-desktop IIRC04:09
zenroxButters|XGH|Snip,  its just every time you update ubuntu you got to reinstall the drivers04:09
Turbo_hey folks, does anyone inhere have ubuntu running on an imac G3 ?04:09
Deimos-alos, lilo uses framebuffer04:09
Butters|XGH|Snipzenrox, oh well that sucks04:09
Otheoshow do I tell the install to load the drivers..04:09
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DarthFrogIkoN: Or go to the Kubuntu channel and get the URL for the ISO.04:09
XappeTurbo_, no, but ibook g304:09
zenroxButters|XGH|Snip,  yep04:09
Butters|XGH|Snipzenrox, ok so I shouldn't patch the drivers this time?04:09
Turbo_Xappe: not good enough ;)04:09
zenroxButters|XGH|Snip, just run the installer04:10
Butters|XGH|Sniprgr04:10
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zenroxlike you did before04:10
Butters|XGH|Snipbe back in a few04:10
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EsKits possible to get KDE for ubuntu right04:10
Turbo_noone with an imac G3 ?04:10
zenroxEsK,  yes04:10
EsKalright04:10
zenroxits called kubuntu04:11
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EsKwhats kubuntu?04:11
geneo93EsK:  if you want kde just do apt-get install kde04:12
zenroxkde ubuntu04:12
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EsKalright04:12
zenroxubuntu with out gnome04:12
DarthFroggeneo93: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop04:12
zenroxyep DarthFrog is right04:12
EsKi got this message04:12
EsKares@ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get install kde04:12
geneo93my gnome wont work any more so i'm stuck with kde for now04:12
EsKPassword:04:12
EsKE: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.04:12
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zenroxesk run that04:13
EsKwhen i do that i get logged out04:13
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geneo93DarthFrog:  that dont remove gnome04:13
zenroxesk do it now04:13
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Butters|XGH|Snipzenrox, ok man I got it done again04:13
DarthFroggeneo93: Und zo?04:13
Butters|XGH|SnipI went with the stock nvidia driver...I didn't patch it this time either04:13
zenroxesk run it like sudo dpkg --configure -a04:14
geneo93and it has oo also with emacs yuk04:14
zenroxButters|XGH|Snip,  so it works now04:14
Butters|XGH|Snipzenrox, if I don't add the patches I only get about 12,000fps in glxgears04:14
DarthFroggeneo93: Just because someone prefers KDE (yes, please) doesn't mean that Gnome needs to be removed. :-)04:14
zenroxButters|XGH|Snip,  sound about right04:14
geneo93DarthFrog:  i just used kde04:14
Butters|XGH|Snipzenrox,  lol if I patch it I get 15,00004:14
DarthFroggeneo93: And that removed Gnome?   Boo, hiss!04:14
zenroxButters|XGH|Snip,  quit patchen it it breaks it04:15
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geneo93no04:15
Butters|XGH|Sniplol I noticed04:15
zenroxlol04:15
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Butters|XGH|Snipzenrox, last question...did they fix the max memory amount on the 7167 driver?  The 6629 only used 42megs...I have a 256meg card04:15
geneo93i didn't say it did but i dont have use for oo and emacs04:15
thoreauputicgeneo93: so uninstall them04:16
zenroxButters|XGH|Snip,  read the changelog on nvidias site04:16
Butters|XGH|Snipyeah I did but I didn't see it mentioned ....unless I just overlooked it04:16
zenroxButters|XGH|Snip, i have a fx5200 pci 128mbs and it uses all of it04:16
geneo93thoreauputic:  i did first thing before updating04:17
LifeEscaladehey zenrox i type wine file.exe into the terminal and it comes back wine: cannot find 'file.exe'04:17
zenroxButters|XGH|Snip,  even with the 662904:17
Xappegnome is a beauty: http://www.deltaconnect.se/~jon/Screenshot3.png04:17
geneo93duh04:17
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zenroxLifeEscalade,  wine /the/location/of/the/file/you/want/to/run.exe04:18
geneo93LifeEscalade:  you need wine(nameof file).exe04:18
LifeEscaladeah04:18
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dazed_does anyone know about using nvclock i need to ask a question or 2?04:18
geneo93dazed dont use it unless you know wtf your doing04:19
DarthFrogXappe: Nice desktop!04:19
dazed_well i knew what i was doing on windows but i was also walked through with the app04:20
EsKalright something is wrong with my repositories04:20
XappeDarthFrog, yes, i'm quite satisfied :)04:20
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danboidhi!04:20
danboidIs KDE 3.4 FINAL in hoary (kubuntu) already?04:21
DarthFrogdanboid: It's being worked upon.04:21
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Amaranthdanboid: #kubuntu04:21
geneo93danboid:  it was just released today04:21
FR500hello04:21
DarthFrogdanboid: It's being Ubuntu-fied. :-)04:22
danboidamaranth: just tried that channel, no response04:22
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FR500what are the settings in grub to enable hibernation?04:22
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EsKalright i got a message when i ran synaptic package manager, saying "Could not download all repository indexes"04:22
LifeEscaladehey zenrox, i tried to get flashfxp to install onto my desktop but i get Access fiolation at address 401bbddb. write of address 0020007e04:22
LifeEscaladewhat can I do to fix that04:22
FR500i used grubconf to add a bootsplash image and now hibernation doesn't work04:23
geneo93EsK:  keep doing it04:23
zenroxLifeEscalade,  some stuff wont install on linux like that04:23
danboidGoing off what I've been seeing so far, it won't be long then 'til 3.4 final gets approved. Next couple of days you think?04:23
EsKThe repository might be no longer available or could not be contacted because of network problems. If available an older version of the failed index will be used. Otherwise the repository will be ignored. Check your network connection and the correct writing of the repository address in the preferences.04:23
LifeEscaladedo you know of any ftp programs that will??04:23
deville_75hello04:23
thoreauputicdanboid: did you happen to read the /topic in #kubuntu ?04:23
deville_75i g2g04:23
zenroxLifeEscalade,  none04:23
deville_75ill come back tommorow04:23
deville_75for help04:23
zenroxLifeEscalade, use gftp04:23
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FR500LifeEscalade, what do you need?04:23
geneo93EsK:  do it a few times more04:24
LifeEscaladei need to get to my xbox to get all of my cs files04:24
FR500anyone here haves a laptop and hoary?04:24
LifeEscaladeand i can only access them with an ftp server04:24
FR500need help to reenable hibernation04:24
zenroxEsK,  it will eventuly get it04:24
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EsKokay04:24
zenroxLifeEscalade,  just use gftp04:24
EsKit also said could not lock file04:24
LifeEscaladek04:24
EsKor wait04:24
FR500LifeEscalade, try ftp in a terminal04:24
danboidthoreauputic: they might've meant the rc1, which was still labelled 3.4.0, was in, not final04:24
EsKE: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.04:24
EsKE: Unable to lock the list directory04:24
mike_douglasis there a way to change the background color of TTY?04:24
mike_douglasand the font04:25
zenroxesk run that command in sudo in the terminal04:25
EsKi did04:25
geneo93esk reboot or apt-get -f install04:25
EsKand it logs me out04:25
EsKso i just put in04:25
EsKapt-get -f install04:25
zenroxesk with a sudo first04:25
geneo93sudo04:25
EsKyes04:25
EsKi kno04:26
zenroxyep04:26
EsKi still get that same damn message04:26
EsKdpkg was interrupted04:26
geneo93reboot then04:26
zenroxyep04:26
FR500hmmmm, i'm being ignored today :(04:26
elmayahello..how can i get wlanctl-ng04:26
EsKstill, i always reboot and it still says the same exact d*** thing04:26
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LifeEscaladenow that ive downloaded gftp, how do i install and run it??04:27
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FR500LifeEscalade, do you have synaptic?04:27
LifeEscaladeyea04:27
FR500ok04:28
IkoNsynaptic = your friend04:28
FR500find it there and install it04:28
thoreauputicLifeEscalade: have you looked inn your menu?04:28
elmayanevermind04:28
FR500LifeEscalade, try sudo apt-get install gftp04:28
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thoreauputicLifeEscalade: if you installed it with synaptic, it's already installed and probably in the internet menu04:29
LifeEscaladethanx for the help, i just got it installed with synaptic04:30
FR500thoreauputic, can your computer hibernate succefully?04:30
stuNNedmine can hibernate successfully if stop mysql and unload nonfree linuxant driver modules04:31
FR500stuNNed, hoary?04:31
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stuNNedyep04:31
stuNNedhoary04:31
thoreauputicFR500: I haven't tried it - this one is up 24/704:31
FR500can u send me your menu.lst (grub config file)04:31
FR500thoreauputic, thanks anyway04:31
stuNNedFR500: and my bios acpi support is worse at best, even not that great in windows04:32
adamhHrm. Should I switch to Ubuntu on my main desktop? It's scary....04:32
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FR500stuNNed, it worked fine earlier, i messed up with grubconf and now it doesnt work04:32
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thoreauputicadamh: what's scaring you about ubuntu?04:32
FR500stuNNed, so if you send that file for me, i probably can fix it04:32
FR500thoreauputic, i'm scared because unbound doesnt work :p04:33
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FR500*Gunbound04:33
adamhthoreauputic: Oh, well, I absolutely adore it... but my desktop machine is my lifeblood. I've got all my data on it and I think I'm going to forget to back some up :)04:33
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thoreauputicadamh: I see - a big leap of faith :)04:33
adamhDoes Evolution 2.2 play nice with Courier-IMAP? :)04:33
FR500adamh, install in a separate partition and migrate your data prograssively04:33
adamhthoreauputic: exactly :)04:33
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EsKokay this is FUCKING pissing me off, i reboot and i still get message when i apt-get and i cant use synaptic04:34
stuNNedFR500: it's well commented actually, set the settings like you want then run update-grub, make sure you don't have anything like acpi=off in your kernel line or any other part of the menu.lst04:34
madstopbetter yet, adamh, add a hard drive and install there04:34
adamhFR500: Hrm, maybe, maybe...04:34
dazed_rick james in chapelle yes!04:34
jvaquinohello04:34
FackamatoEsK: ok04:34
FackamatoEsK: what message.........04:34
adamhHeh. I prefer just the one :)04:34
FR500adamh, or make an image with norton ghost, it will only take some dvds i guess04:34
jvaquinohelp with ldap?04:35
adamhFR500: lol, 120 gig? Yeah, "some" :P04:35
FR500stuNNed, let me see, if i can't fix it ill bother u again04:35
EsKCould not download all repository indexes04:35
EsKThe repository might be no longer available or could not be contacted because of network problems. If available an older version of the failed index will be used. Otherwise the repository will be ignored. Check your network connection and the correct writing of the repository address in the preferences.04:35
EsKand this one04:35
geneo93iles you needed04:35
EsKE: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.04:35
kaskotehi, i'm geting some carrier error in a network card... but can't fount wath is that?.. some can help me ?04:35
jvaquinoanyone install plone with ldap on ubuntu?04:35
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d27654EsK, dpkg isn't done installing from another time.. run that command and it'll finish04:36
thoreauputicEsK: maybe the repo is temporarily down - can you ping  the URL ?04:36
benkorkorneed some help with OOO, can anyone help?04:36
adamhOkay, well. I think I'm fed up of jhbuilding all of GNOME whenever I want to hack at stuff. Are there any other GNOME devs here who've made the switch?04:36
EsKi dont know how04:36
EsKand when i run that command i get logged out and shyt04:36
jvaquinothought i'd give it a try04:36
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jvaquinoanyone?04:36
thoreauputicadamh: maybe ask in #ubuntu-devel04:36
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adamhthoreauputic: Good idea, thanks :)04:37
FR500stuNNed, it's supposed to have a line on where to hibernate somewhere04:37
madstop*sympathizes with Esk because he's been getting lots of similar messages and has no clue...04:37
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EsKim a newbie at ubuntu, im used to fedora04:37
thoreauputicEsK: look in /etc/apt/sources.list for the URL , then do ` ping <URL here> `04:38
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stuNNedFR500: grep acpi=off /boot/grub/menu.lst04:39
geneo93EsK:  apt-get -f install dont give you any thing04:39
benkorkorooo is withholding a file that i need to access. i don't want to kill the process because i would lose my file since ooo doesn't autosave by default.04:39
jvaquinoanyone: ever install plone with ldap auth on ubuntu? had it working in other distros, but problems now....guess i should check in plone nodes...04:39
EsKnope same message talking about running the command04:39
FR500stuNNed, doesnt have the line04:39
FR500stuNNed, no output04:39
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geneo93EsK:  what was the last thing you install04:40
EsKi dont know04:41
EsKhow do i check04:41
EsKis it possible04:41
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geneo93look at apt log04:41
EsKok04:41
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EsKits in /etc/apt right04:43
geneo93no var/log04:43
EsKohh04:43
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geneo93maybe install log04:44
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iMacalguien que hable espaol04:45
iMac?04:45
benkorkordoes open office create a temp file of the file i'm working on?04:45
FR500iMac, i do04:45
iMacmmmm04:45
iMacI04:45
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iMacFR500, i do04:45
FR500iMac, hola04:45
iMacdo you speak spanish04:46
FR500si04:46
iMacok04:46
iMachablemos tonces...04:46
FR500iMac, ok04:46
FR500iMac, de que?04:46
iMacLinux?04:46
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FR500ok04:46
iMacen k plataformas te encuentras04:46
EsKokay i dont know, and im looking at the aptitude log, cuz it was the closet to apt log, and i dont know which one was the last04:47
FR500x8604:47
iMacPPC04:47
iMacmmmm ubuntu?04:47
FR500cool04:47
FR500si04:47
FR500hace rato04:47
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iMacmmmm mi equippo04:47
iMaclo hizo revivir04:47
iMactengo iMac G304:47
iMaclo dejo como pentium 404:48
FR500si es super buen os04:48
geneo93EsK:  find /*apt*04:48
iMachey de que parte eres04:48
FR500Ecuador04:48
iMacchile04:48
FR500ahh04:48
iMachey sabes algo de c04:48
YomicIs python already installed in WW-Ubuntu? If not can somebody help me get started?04:49
FR500iMac, hace rato que no he programado04:49
thoreauputicYomic: /usr/bin/python04:49
iMacmmm  te acuerdas sobre las librerias de color04:49
Yomic:))04:49
YomicThanks04:49
FR500iMac, nop04:50
iMacaparte de la conio.h04:50
iMacmmmm04:50
iMacok04:50
FR500ah eso04:50
FR500algo04:50
EsKi quit for the night, im gonna go lay down04:50
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YomicIs it the latest version (2.4?)04:51
iMacPPC04:51
iMac?04:51
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YomicDang, it04:52
Yomicit's 2.3 :/04:52
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iMacwhat use PPC04:52
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thoreauputicYomic: ask in #ubuntu-devel what the version is in Hoary04:53
sic|could I please speak with someone who has successfully installed a dvd burner and can also watch dvds on it...someone with a little time to help...I am not sure but I think my fstab is wrong amongst other things...doing this in pm would be nice04:53
YomicI'm on Warty.04:53
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sabmocgreetings all04:54
geneo93Yomic:  hoary has 2.404:54
adamhsic|: I've got a DVD burner. I can watch DVDs (just "apt-get install totem-xine") and burn CDs, but I've never tried burning DVDs.04:54
adamhI imagine it would Just Work...04:54
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sabmocjust installed ubuntu, and I didnt get asked for a root password during the install. what is the default, or how do I set that up04:54
Yomicsudo passwd04:55
kainsabmoc, this is the default04:55
freexsabmoc: type. sudo passwd root04:55
sabmocthanks x304:55
icebalmodd default04:55
freexsabmoc: can i ask u question?04:55
kainsabmoc, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root/view?searchterm=root04:55
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sabmochmm, that worked not well at all04:56
iMacwhat program use burn CD Linux Ubuntu?04:57
sabmockain, thanks, thats the stuff!04:57
kainsabmoc, np04:58
sabmocgreat default04:58
thoreauputicsabmoc: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo04:58
sabmocthoreauputic: :)04:58
JDahliMac, program many burn CD linux exists... maybe k3b or gnome-baker?04:58
kainiMac, if you are in gnome put a blank cd and nautilus should appear to burn a cd, otherwise use something like k3b04:59
kainbtw I still can't find gnome-baker in ubuntu repos04:59
iMackain, ... i ma use PPC04:59
thoreauputickain: because they aren't there :)05:00
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kainthoreauputic, I see :)05:00
sabmocwhat about neroLinux05:00
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geneo93gcombust is my fav05:00
kainsabmoc, haven't tried it yet, there's a review k3b vs nerolinux somewhere05:00
sabmocNeroLinux, brought to you by the Nero burning Rom company05:00
thoreauputickain: gnomebaker >> http://people.debian.org/~goedson/packages/ubuntu/05:00
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kainhttp://www.flexbeta.net/main/articles.php?action=show&id=8605:01
kainhere we go05:01
Kirschhey guys, got a really good stumper for ya, i have a Dell Inspiron 6000 on my desk, we're trying to install Ubuntu, now the CD-Rom gets detected in warty (4.1) but not the HD (the HD is SATA, haven't looked up the specifics yet) but Hoary doesn't (the Preview Release out now) but Array 6 has problems booting up (detected both), any ideas?05:01
kainthanks thoreauputic05:01
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thoreauputicsabmoc: why bother with nero when linux has good, free-as-in-freedom CD burning apps?05:01
sabmockain: yes, it wasnt too fair to nero i think, this is like version 0.01 of nero linux, and they were expecting a HIG, GTK2 app, which it wanst. meh, I have no doubt its a decent app.05:01
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kainI agree, still wonder why it's still gtk105:02
adamhsabmoc: Well, there already *are* HIG, GTK2 burning apps out there.05:02
thoreauputicgraveman, gnomebaker05:02
adamhWhy pay money for something when you can get better for free?05:02
adamh(REAL freedom)05:02
kainand that's right adamh05:02
zenroxadamh, its just good to see companies start maken programs of linux05:03
sabmocthoreauputic: because competition is good, because I like it when non-free companys recognize linux as a real platform worth supporting.05:03
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adamhBut I bet it'll still be profitable to Ahead Software. They know all the stuff we know, they know what's wrong with their software, but they've analyzed and decided it'll make money05:03
thoreauputicsabmoc: I agree it's good to see the wind changing: but I doubt that the nerolinux app is any better05:04
kainthis is good for average user that thinks "I have nero on windows, linux does have it blablabla stuff"05:04
thoreauputicsabmoc: I'm not opposed to commercial linux apps05:04
YomicHow do I update python to version 2.4?05:04
sabmocGnome would not be as good if kde never existed to compete with (imho) competition is good. Recognition is also good.05:04
icebalmcommercial linux apps are ok, as long as I have a free alternative05:05
geneo93Yomic:  update to hoary05:05
icebalmand by free I mean Free05:05
sabmocicebalm: well said05:05
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Yomicgeneo93: When are they distributing the CDs?05:05
benkorkorwhat's the default install path for openoffice in hoary preview?05:05
thoreauputicIt *is* good in that windows users are familiar with the brand05:06
geneo93Yomic:  dunno april or may05:06
YomicWhy the delay? Bug testing?05:06
kainif I'm not wrong they have a schedule: a release every 6 months or so05:06
geneo93well yeah its just beta now but really stable05:07
thoreauputicYomic: it's a pretty big operation distributing the CDs05:07
YomicEh, I guess I'll wait; just in case.05:07
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geneo93i case of what you die05:07
thoreauputicYomic: if they ship CDs in April, i guess we'd get them by June :)05:08
geneo93hehe05:08
YomicIn case of last minute patches.05:08
YomicThey can be a hassel05:08
geneo93took 3 weeks for mine05:08
YomicSame here.05:08
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benkorkorwhat's the default install path for openoffice in hoary preview? anyone?05:08
thoreauputicYomic: if you visit #ubuntu-devel, you'll see they are flat out getting hoary ready05:08
geneo93Yomic:  your connected to the internet all new stuff needs patches and so on05:09
YomicTrue.05:09
geneo93geez just update now and you'll have lees later05:10
thoreauputicbenkorkor: I'd expect the executable to be in /usr/bin05:10
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YomicI just don't want to be bothered to download another OS and burn it; unless they have an update function or something :P05:10
thoreauputicbenkorkor: type `which openoffice` to check05:10
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icebalmYomic: apt-get dist-upgrade05:10
Yomic:D05:10
kainbenkorkor, are u trying to install oo from repos or by hand?05:10
YomicWoot.05:10
thoreauputicYomic: updting in debian style distros is trivial05:11
geneo93Yomic:  just change to repositories in synaptic to hoary05:11
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Quinn_Stormis there any repository I could use (like sid in real debian) to stay on the devel release?05:11
Quaruptif the Acrhive Manger wont open a rar, and either will ark, Ark says unrar isnt in my PATH?05:11
FackamatoQuarupt: apt-get install unrar05:12
Quinn_StormQuarupt: apt-get install unrar05:12
Fackamatosmurf05:12
kainmm05:12
kainI installed unrar, but Archive Manager still can't open .rar files05:12
geneo93Quinn_Storm:  its not stable05:12
sabmocwow, keyboard layout in gnome 2.10 is sweeeet...05:12
madstopI hope someone can help. No matter what I do, I can't get Realplayer installed in hoary, amd6405:12
thoreauputicQuarupt: enable multiverse and install unrar-nonfree05:13
YomicRealplayer < *05:13
madstopI followed instructions on ubuntuguide.org to no avail05:13
geneo93kain:  unrar (file)05:13
thoreauputicQuarupt: known issue05:13
kaingeneo93, thanks for pointing me out this :P05:13
Quinn_Stormactually isn't unrar free? I thought rar was the non-free one05:13
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madstopRealplayer seemed to install correctly, I logged out and in , it appears in menus, won't open, won't work in firefox05:13
thoreauputicapt-cache search says unrar-nonfree05:13
madstoprebooting won't help (tried this before)05:13
Quaruptthoreauputic, could only find package unrar not unrar-free05:14
kainii  unrar          0.0.1-1        Unarchiver for .rar files05:14
kainI have this05:14
speelahh gnome just crashed ;(05:14
Yomic:o05:14
thoreauputicQuarupt: it's in multiverse05:14
benkorkorkain: that's the path to the executable05:14
FackamatoI have unrar, and in a terminal unrar works (I can unpack archives), but the "archiver" doesn't recognize .rar-files, what to do?05:14
madstopYomic, I don't know what that means05:15
kainFackamato, same issue05:15
thoreauputic<thoreauputic> Quarupt: enable multiverse and install unrar-nonfree05:15
benkorkorkain: am specifically looking for the foler where it autosaves files05:15
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Quarupti just told you there is no package by that name05:15
benkorkorkain: *folder05:15
QuaruptI have universe and Multiverse05:15
QuaruptI allways have had them05:15
kainbenkorkor, as far I know it autosaves files in the same dir where they are.. I can be wrong05:15
thoreauputicQuarupt: yes there is - i just found it05:15
Quarupti installed unrar but it doesnt work05:15
Yomic:o <--- emoticon of suprise (that GNOME crashed)05:15
BiteMeBillQuarupt: It's in the multiverse.  I just looked.  Version 3.4.3-105:16
thoreauputicunless hoary has removed it05:16
BiteMeBillthoreauputic: it's still there.05:16
kainmultiverse.. dunno about this before05:16
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YomicSo in the reposetories, I just change all the wartys to hoarys, right?05:16
thoreauputickain: non-free packages05:16
kainok, will look into it, thanks05:16
Quaruptdoes unrar-nonfree replace unrar if i allready had it installed?05:16
Fackamatothoreauputic: i'm using unrar non-free :/05:17
BiteMeBillQuarupt: It looks like you need to uninstall unrar Dependencies shows a conflict with unrar..  But also says that it replaces it.05:17
geneo93i have two versions of unrar05:17
thoreauputicsome people on the mailing list found the "non-free" worked for them - I don't know more than that05:18
thoreauputicI never need it, so....05:18
kainwell, let's find this out05:18
geneo93ok the little cant do rar3.0 format05:19
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geneo93thats the 1.0xxxxx version05:20
kainunrar-nonfree just installed and it still not works with archive manager05:20
kaincan't open archive05:20
kainii  unrar-nonfree  3.4.3-1        Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version)05:20
geneo93i think you need to do it in terminal05:20
kainthat's not a problem05:20
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geneo93works for me05:20
kainjust wondering how to integrate it with archive manager05:21
kainnot a real issue for myself05:21
geneo93i dont think you can05:21
benkorkorkain: the autosave/backup folder is hidden in "home." thx.05:21
madstopDoes anyone have Realplayer working in hoary?05:21
kainbenkorkor, np05:21
kainmadstop, personally I don't use it, but there is some instructions on the wiki05:22
kainhave you alredy checked?05:22
stuNNedwhat's better spdif out or optical out?05:22
zerovertexwhat do i need to get xmms to play mp3 streams????05:22
zerovertexin hoary05:22
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madstopI've googled, and I've only seen complaints about the problem, but no answers yet, just conflicting advice05:22
kainmadstop, let me see05:23
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thoreauputiczerovertex: gstreamer0.8-mad , probably05:23
madstopI'll keep looking, and experiment. Thanks.05:23
kainhttp://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats05:23
moominskihey im new can any1 help me out05:24
kainmadstop and zerovertex, both for mp3 and realplayer05:24
thoreauputicmoominski: not unless you ask a question :)05:24
moominskijust installed ubuntu and need a little help if ya can plz05:25
madstopthank you kain.  That's the page whose instructions I followed, to no avail05:25
thoreauputicmoominski: be specific05:25
kainmadstop, try installing xmms-mad or consider using rhythmbox05:25
madstopfrom researching wikis, it appears there may be a conflict that prevents Realplayer from showing, even if it's running.  A hoary issue only I think.  I'll check my settings and report back05:26
boomstickzhey does anyone know how to get windows media player movies to play in something like mplayer, xine or totem?05:26
moominskiwell i aint got a clue hw to install my nvidia drivers or anything for that matter sorry but in new to this and i really wanna learn it05:26
madstopkain, I'm talking about internet radio here, requiring realplayer.  But thanks05:26
kainsorry madstop, I meant zerovertex05:26
kainsorry05:26
madstopI'm not mad, don't stop, it's all good, kain!05:26
kainehe05:26
thoreauputicmoominski:   www.ubuntuguide.org05:27
madstoplet me check my system monitor...05:27
Fackamatomoominski: get the kernel headers for your kernel version, then download the nvidia drivers off the nvidia site and install them05:27
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kainboomstickz, get totem based on xine-libs and install w32codecs adding the marillat repos in ubuntu05:27
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moominskidude im such a noob i need some1 to hold my hand sry for brin a pain05:27
kainboomstickz, there's a good walthrough in documentation05:27
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jack|his there a way i can make ubuntu use hardware mixing instead of esd?05:28
boomstickzalright thanks05:28
thoreauputicmoominski: no you don't - read the excellent guide I gave you a link to05:28
thoreauputicmoominski: it will walk you through everything you need to know05:29
moominskiahhh sweet as dude thanks a million05:29
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dazed_moominski: just start at the top and work your way down to what you need to know its a very helpful guide it almost hold your hand for you :)05:30
madstopall right, tried opening realplay in terminal05:31
madstopgot this :05:31
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madstop(realplay.bin:2360): Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by Xlib05:32
madstopand05:32
sic|anyone know how to install libdvdcss2 apt-get didn't find it and its not in synaptic05:32
madstop(realplay.bin:2360): Gdk-WARNING **: can not set locale modifiers05:32
kainsic|, probably you must add universe repository05:32
qnrHi, bye - just wondering if someone was here :)05:32
madstopand a helluva lot more stuff like that05:32
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moominskinice 1 seems to be very confusing at the moment but im gonna stick with it05:32
thoreauputicsic|: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats05:32
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kainmadstop, I find a thread on ubuntuforums, but there ain't a solution05:33
kain"I have recently installed Ubuntu Hoary on an AMD x86_64 machine and am having exactly the same problem as gratefulfrog, with the same error message."05:33
BiteMeBillWho was trying to use unrar-nonfree and couldn't?05:33
madstopexactly, kain.  I can't believe it.  I'm lost without bbc radio 4, dammit.  Back to windows till I can resolve this.  Or back to warty.05:34
kainBiteMeBill, the problem was that it doesn't integrate with archive manager05:34
kainunrar or unrar-nonfree05:34
kainmadstop, this is sad05:34
BiteMeBillkain: just used it on a rar and it worked fine.05:34
kainBiteMeBill, maybe I will try some other archive05:35
madstopI'm amazed I haven't seen this issue raised on this channel before, I've been reading everything here about hoary05:35
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kainmadstop, are you sure that you can't listen bbc with rhythmbox?05:35
BiteMeBillkain; $ unrar e <filename>05:35
kainBiteMeBill, yes, the 'issue' is that archive manager when opening .rar files says that he cannot handle the format05:35
thoreauputicmadstop: a while ago, the Beeb were running trials on ogg streaming, but they stopped :/ Crazy people...05:36
madstopI don't know kain, I can try opening the url in there, but I think I need the firefox realplay plugin... hmmm05:36
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BiteMeBillkain: has he tried to run it in terminal or is he trying to run it in a gui?05:36
madstopjust thought of something-- maybe I can try copying the realplayer folders from warty on my other computer to this one...05:37
kainBiteMeBill, for me that's not a problem unrar a file in a terminal, I don't need to, just wondering why archive manager doesn't handle rar files properly even if unrar or unrar-nonfree is installed05:37
kainark do it05:37
bl4cks4ilshey, how can i get my external monitor working on my pwoerbook? i've heard some talk about m3mirror.05:37
BiteMeBillkain: Oh ok.05:37
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madstopthink that might work...?05:37
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thoreauputicmadstop: the only other possibility is trying helix player05:38
thoreauputicthat's what the realplay app is based on05:38
zenroxkain,  some of the rars out thare are compressed with a newer ver of it and arnt backward compitable05:38
moominskiwhere do i actually type commands??05:38
BiteMeBillThought the person having questions about it screen name started with a q or something like that.05:38
kainzenrox, yes, I figured it out05:39
zenroxlol05:39
madstopthanks thoreauputic , kain.  I will, but this strikes me as impracticable, since, unfortunately many radio sites force realplay based applets on us05:39
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thoreauputicmoominski: in the terminal - right click the desktop and choose it, or look in the menu under system tools05:39
geneo93madstop:  boycot them then05:39
tylerAnyone know why I cant see items i've downloaded o my desktop?05:40
WebMaven_Does anyone here know how to add fonts to Hoary?05:40
kaintyler, if you use firefox 1.0.1 on hoary, this is a know issue05:40
madstopI'm gonna look for the bug reports on this.  hey, monopolies suck, but realplay compatibility should be a done deal with any distro.  Ubuntu has to fix this.05:40
WebMaven_The help docs are wrong, or at least, don't work.05:41
madstopTyler -- I have the same problem!  been driving me nuts05:41
madstopyou can only find those items with file search05:41
thoreauputicWebMaven_: in gnome, you can just dump ttf fonts in ~/.fonts05:42
tylerDamn, they had it licked in warthog05:42
thoreauputicas far as I know05:42
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tylerI downloaded a cool prog to solve the menu editing problem05:42
tylerSomeone on here gave it to me atually05:42
YomicIn updating to hoary I encountered two 404 errors:05:42
YomicFailed to fetch http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ubuntu/dists/hoary-backports/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404 Not Found05:42
YomicFailed to fetch http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ubuntu/dists/hoary-backports/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404 Not Found05:42
WebMaven_thoreauputic, the docs say to use Nautilus to go to fonts:///05:42
Fackamatohttp://upl.silentwhisper.net/uplfolders/upload7/_busting2.gif05:42
zenroxYomic, you dont need thoes any more05:42
YomicOkay :)05:42
thoreauputicWebMaven_: well, i'm just telling you what worked for me on warty05:43
kainFackamato, lol05:43
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WebMaven_thoreauputic, but when I do, I can't paste the new fonts I copied from a CD.05:43
WebMaven_Hmm.05:43
thoreauputicWebMaven_: your mileage may vary, but it's worth a try05:43
madstopAre they really going to be ready with a stable release by April?05:43
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WebMaven_so ./fonts in my home folder?05:43
zenroxmadstop,  yep05:43
zenroxWebMaven_,  yep05:44
thoreauputicWebMaven_: you should be able to write to .fonts in your home directory05:44
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zenroxactualy ~/.fonts05:44
thoreauputiczenrox:  correct05:44
QuaruptIs cable enough bandwidth to run a like 30 user ircd?05:44
zenroxQuarupt,  dont know05:44
Quaruptor maybe my ISP would get pissed05:45
zenroxQuarupt,  isp will kill you05:45
Haydenhow can i check what version of linux i have, the kernel etc from command line?05:45
jack|hHayden: uname -a05:45
zenroxHayden,  uname -r05:45
thoreauputicHayden: kernel:   uname -r05:45
thoreauputicor auname -a05:45
thoreauputicbah uname -a05:45
zenroxbolth work the same05:46
Haydenok thanks05:46
thoreauputic-a gives other information as well05:46
thoreauputicHayden: for release version,  cat /etc/issue05:46
Haydenok thanks05:46
WebMaven_thoreauputic, apparently, the attempts I made to paste into fonts:/// actually worked, but they went into ~./fonts. Wierd behaviour.05:47
geneo93Ubuntu 5.04 "Hoary Hedgehog" Development Branch \n \l05:48
WebMaven_thoreauputic, thanks.05:48
YomicWhere should I to find information on upgrading my Linux partition without deleting my current one?05:48
geneo93Yomic:  you have to fix broken first05:48
thoreauputicWebMaven_: it's just a GUI way of doing the same thing05:49
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kainx.org 6.8.2-5 in repos05:49
Quinn_Stormkain: -5? odd, I just upgraded to -4 from repos like two hours ago05:50
kainme too05:50
kain:D05:50
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thoreauputicWebMaven_: BTW, if you put your dots and slashes in the wrong order as above, things will get confusing very fast *grin*05:51
Quinn_Stormwow, enormous upgrade just hit repos05:51
kainabout 46 megs05:51
kainfor me05:51
thoreauputicQuinn_Storm: they just finished syncing05:51
Quinn_Stormhope they get the rest of kde fixed so I can install the kde package without the kde-addons glitch05:51
DarthFrogYomic: Well, you could make a copy of your Ubuntu partition and then upgrade the copy.05:52
thebluecowDoes anyone happen to know why my login screen is displayed in with a virtual resolution, where it uses a bigger res than the actual screen size?05:52
johannIm trying to add an applet and I have to according to the docs right-click and select add applet but the only thing I can see is add to panel?05:52
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YomicMake a copy where? To a CD?05:52
WWHello, world.05:52
kainjohann, add to panel -> select applet05:52
thebluecowHola.05:52
DarthFrogYomic: No, to a new partition.05:53
WWDoes anyone know if there are plans to fix menu editing in hoary before the final release?05:53
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johannkain, I figured that I should find it there...but its not in the list...Im trying to install the gtkwifi05:54
thoreauputicjohann: click add to panel >> choose from the dialogue05:54
geneo93DarthFrog:  he has a hung package and cabt do anything05:54
kainjohann, I don't have it either05:54
thoreauputicjohann: you click on the +05:54
DarthFrogYomic: Ah, you have to fix  the hung package first.  Making a copy won't help you.05:54
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johannthoreauputic, what do you mean by +, where?05:55
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thoreauputicjohann: are you using hoary?05:55
moominskihow do i creat a launcher05:55
johannthoreauputic, no..warty05:56
kainwell, time to restart X05:56
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madstopok, update regarding Realplayer situation:  the problem may only affect hoary amd64.  Hoary on i386, no problem05:56
thoreauputicmoominski: right click the desktop, choose create launcher05:56
madstopGood thing I have an extra computer05:56
thoreauputicjohann: I'm using warty, and clicking on "add to panel" brings up a list of applets05:57
LeeColletonI have a support question regarding the Gimp and printing.  I can print to file and then print with the lp command, but when I try to print directly to the printer in Gimp, I get no output.05:57
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madstopI can run the 32 bit version of hoary without a problem on amd64, right?05:57
LeeColletonthe Gimp appears to run this command: lp -s -dPSC-1210 -oraw05:57
johannthoreauputic, yes :) that I agree on, mine does that also...the applet that I want to display just isint there...altough I installed it05:57
thoreauputicjohann: the "add to panel" icon is a + on mine05:58
DarthFrogmadstop: Yes, you should be able to.05:58
thoreauputicjohann: ah, I see :)05:58
kainxorg 6.8.2-5 updates nv driver05:58
thoreauputicjohann: which applet?05:58
kaintoo bad I have i915 :(05:58
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Quinn_StormI've got an old matrox...I hope they come out with acceleration for the translucency stuff in the mga driver someday05:59
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madstopI made downgrade this thing, just for the freakin' realplayer.  Maybe the helix player nightly builds will work some magic...05:59
johannthoreauputic, gtkwifi.....and I can run it gtk run-in-window...and it works fine...I just want the applet to work as well :)05:59
geneo93Quinn_Storm:  dont hold your breath05:59
kainas johann request, there is a gnome applet to monitor wifi status?05:59
madstop"I may" I meant05:59
ian__anyone have a thinkpad t23?05:59
ElsidoxAnyone here use cedega? Im having audio issues. The onlyw ay i can get sound to work is if I disable it in gnome first.05:59
WebMaven_Next problem: I can't get an external screen to work on this laptop.06:00
LeeColletonnevermind.  if I just change the printer command to "lp" it works06:00
WebMaven_When I push the dual screen button, all I get is garbage on one or more of the screens.06:00
thoreauputicjohann: I would add a custom launcher with the command in it, I guess ( "custom application launcher")06:00
johannthoreauputic, ok..I'll try that06:01
WebMaven_to set it right, I need to do ctrl-alt-F1 (which gets me a terminal on both)  and then ctrl-alt-f7 (which then gives me a GUI back on the laptop).06:01
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WebMaven_in case it matters, the external monitor is an LCD.06:02
DakPowersI just installed Ubuntu... And I love it.06:03
dazed_how can install a plugin for firefox to play video files INSIDE the page instead of opening a player???06:03
geneo93WebMaven_: hoary or warty06:03
WebMaven_So, does anyone have any idea how I can get an external monitor to work?06:03
WebMaven_Hoary.06:03
geneo93xorgconfig06:04
ian__DakPowers: right on!06:04
geneo93i terminal on lcd06:04
WebMaven_does that need to be sudo'd?06:04
geneo93no06:04
DakPowersNow to get ndiswrapper working...06:05
WebMaven_DakPowers, I got that working yesterday.06:05
WebMaven_geneo93, OK, I guess I'll have to make note of all my hardware.06:06
ian__is ACPI compiled into the default kernel?06:07
geneo93WebMaven_:  just look at the xorgconfig file in ect06:07
Elsidoxis there an ifolder deb?06:07
WebMaven_OK, thanks.06:07
DakPowersDid you?06:07
DakPowersOn Warty, WebMaven_?06:08
DakPowersOr Hoary?06:08
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DakPowersThis is my second distro and I'm liking it a lot better06:08
ian__DakPowers: what was your first?06:08
DakPowersMandrake 1006:08
DakPowersI just like this because it gives me a challenge06:08
WebMaven_next problem: I added two extra launchers to the top panel, (one for 'Internet' and one for 'System Tools'), but the appropriate icons don't show up, just the Gnome foot icon.06:08
ian__DakPowers: a challenge?06:09
WebMaven_DakPowers, on Hoary.06:09
DakPowersWell, not a challenge... But I work as a PC tech and I know as much about Windows as I'll ever need to... This is something different to learn06:09
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DakPowerslol06:10
f00flol06:10
WebMaven_DakPowers, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper06:10
geneo93DakPowers:  not hard to learn how crappy windows is06:10
dazed_how come when i try to view a media file in firefox it opens it up in an external player...???06:10
moominskiwots the difference betweenwarty warthog and Hoary Hedgehog??06:11
DakPowersFunny names06:11
geneo93hoary is lots better06:11
moominskilol06:11
Haydenmoominski, they are different versions of Ubuntu, Hoary is the latest version in preview release (beta)06:11
DakPowersIs it? What's different? I just installed Warty06:11
dazed_moominski: hoary is the newest version of ubuntu...its only a preview06:11
moominskiso i shud switch06:11
moominski??06:12
dazed_moominski: get a feel for ubuntu first before u switch to a beta version06:12
DakPowersGood advice.06:12
WebMaven_DakPowers, the one thing that page doesn't say, is that you need to point ndiswrapper at a *.inf file, but the other files still need to be in the same directory as the *.inf file.06:12
moominskiok np dude06:12
geneo93DakPowers:  open synaptic and update your repositories to hoary06:12
Haydendazed_: i found hoary was easier to use than warty06:12
dizzieMorning all :)06:12
WebMaven_No one has any advice for the launcher icons, huh?06:12
DakPowersSynaptic... Synaptic... Synaptic...06:13
geneo93WebMaven_:  check the properties and make sure there not hidden06:13
dazed_Hayden: i find it no different it matters of ease...but this is moominski's first hours of ubuntu (even linux i believe) so i think he should stick with warty before he runs into problems on hoary06:13
madstopgnome in hoary seems a lot more stable; the menus make more sense, better all around.  32 bits  version anyway.  Amd64 hoary has me teed off, though it's fast!06:13
thoreauputicWebMaven_: jsut click the empty icon box on the launcher dialog, and choose one you like...06:13
Haydendazed_: yep06:13
WebMaven_geneo93, there is no access to properties for these launchers.06:14
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dazed_so who wants to help me now!!! lol...06:14
geneo93WebMaven_:  or right click next to where you put thenm on another icon and move ot06:14
thoreauputicWebMaven_: you choose icons from the "creation" dialogue06:14
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dazed_i installed the multimedia plugin for firefox..and it still opens external media players when a web page has media to display how can i get to open inpage ???06:15
DakPowersThis may be the dumbest question ever, but is there a console or command line to type in?06:15
WebMaven_right clicking on them only give the following: Help, Remove from Panel, Move, Lock to Panel06:15
geneo93mine were stuck behind the gnome foot06:15
thoreauputicDakPowers: right click the desktop, choose terminal06:15
madstopthoreauputic, WebMaven_ , the fact is, gnome's icon handling is not the most convenient.  Often icons chosen in dialogs turn out to be different, older and ugly06:15
geneo93WebMaven_:  move it then06:15
thoreauputicDakPowers: gnome termianl is in the menu as well06:15
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WebMaven_thoreauputic, it does not work for creating launchers from Application groups.06:15
thoreauputicapplication groups??06:16
WebMaven_geneo93, I'm unsure what you're suggesting.06:16
DakPowersWhat? It won't accept my root password... Did I ever set one in installation?06:16
dazed_so anyone know about opening multimedia inpage?06:16
WebMaven_thoreauputic, here is what I did:06:16
thoreauputicWebMaven_: OK I get it06:17
HaydenDakPowers: you don't set a root password when installing Ubuntu06:17
WebMaven_right click on panel, select 'Add to Panel'06:17
geneo93WebMaven_:  move a few other icons and see if your apear06:17
WebMaven_click on 'Application Launcher'06:17
HaydenDakPowers: you use the 'sudo' command e.g. sudo apt-get update06:17
WebMaven_click on 'Forward' button06:17
Haydenthen it will ask your your user password06:17
WebMaven_click on the 'Internet' app group icon.06:18
WebMaven_click on 'Add'06:18
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Quinn_StormI set a root password when I installed my system...su works but gksu / kdesu don't work (I always laugh at kdesu btw, "k that is", I think (japanese-ish))06:18
dazed_how come whenever i try to goto a site with media to be displayed it opens an external player someone please help me fix!?06:18
WebMaven_This creates a launcher that is a dropdown of all 'Internet' apps.06:18
DakPowersI must have updated already.06:19
thoreauputicWebMaven_: yep i follow06:19
WebMaven_But, it does not use the 'Internet' icon, just a 'foot' icn.06:19
madstopI don't suppose there's any chance in hell the developers would add realplayer to the distro, at least to universe, configured already for use with firefox?06:19
thoreauputicWebMaven_: hmm... annoying06:19
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madstopI know it's proprietary, but it requires no license fees, should be standard equipment06:19
dazed_anyone!?? please!?06:19
WebMaven_In Warty this did have the extra step for specifying the icon etc. but not in Hoary.06:19
WebMaven_madstop, no, only free software in the base distribution.06:20
DakPowersOk, I'm gonna start trying this :-/06:20
geneo93maybe properties can change it06:20
FitzzI am trying to use hoary preview live cd to run on a laptop with an integrated intel graphics card, but it boots up to a blank screen, is this a known bug?06:20
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madstop"as in free speech" I assume, WebMaven?06:21
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thoreauputicWebMaven_: I get the impression the Gnome developers really don't want us to change their stuff ( maybe a bit paranoid, but... hey)06:21
WebMaven_Madkiss, yep.06:21
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WebMaven_thoreauputic, what do you mean?06:21
sabmocthis is going to sound weird..06:21
kainFitzz, I have i915 graphic card based on intel 855GM, no problem here06:21
kainI'm using hoary btw, not live cds06:21
FitzzI am using the live cd06:21
thoreauputicWebMaven_: gnome has become less and less configurable with each new release06:22
Fitzzeverything goes fine06:22
madstopheh, hitting the tabkey, right WebMaven_ ... Madkiss?  I like it06:22
kaindid you have same hardware?06:22
Fitzzthen it tries going into gdm and goes blank06:22
FitzzI am not sure what intel chip it is06:22
Fitzzits not my laptop06:22
sabmocThe resolution of my screen goes back to a really bad default every time I login to GNOME. Do I need to set it globaly as root or ...something?06:22
DakPowersDownloading ndiswrapper packages now...06:22
geneo93Fitzz:  maybe you can change some things when it starts booting06:23
FitzzI cant get to a console06:23
Fitzzthe screen just goes blank06:23
WebMaven_madstop, yeah. Hmm, older versions of XChat whould ask which you meant.06:23
Fitzzand I cant do anything06:23
kainboot params06:23
geneo93hit f1 at boot06:23
Fitzzyea06:23
FitzzI did that06:23
Fackamatoo;06:23
Fitzzwhat should I set the parms to?06:24
FitzzI turned off acpi06:24
Fitzzand did the vga=771 thing06:24
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madstopgnome, kde, Republicans, Democrats... what a world, what choices06:24
WebMaven_thoreauputic, are you an Ubuntu developer?06:24
thoreauputicWebMaven_: no06:24
geneo93vesa try that06:24
jasonanyone else notice broken xorg06:24
Fitzzhow can I set taht?06:24
Fackamatojason: how do you mean broken?06:24
Fackamatomine works :)06:24
geneo93just type it in06:24
madstopIf I had the brains and patience, I'd use black/flux/widowmaker/unlightenment whatever06:25
jasonI just updated and it crashes06:25
geneo93linux vesa06:25
WebMaven_thoreauputic, OK. Have you confirmed the bug on your machine?06:25
Fitzzjust type "live vesa06:25
Fitzz?06:25
Haydencan't you install ubuntu without Xserver installed?06:25
thoreauputicWebMaven_: on warty? I haven't tried it yet - hang on06:25
kainHayden, yes, pass 'server' param at install time06:25
Haydenok06:25
Fitzzthats all I need to do to set it to default to vesa driver?06:25
thoreauputicWebMaven_: I'm not on hoary06:26
Fitzzis there a way I can set the res at boot?06:26
Haydenkain: and from there you can install fluxbox or anything else06:26
WebMaven_Can someone on Hoary verify a Gnome bug for me?06:26
geneo93can you scan06:26
kainHayden, sure, with apt you can do whatever you want06:26
madstopthoreauputic, is that by choice, or just so you can help the new warty users more easily?06:26
kainWebMaven_, tell me06:26
thoreauputicWebMaven_: on warty, as you say, the icon is the correct one06:27
WebMaven_kain these are the steps:06:27
geneo93Fitzz:  do a scan06:27
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WebMaven_right click on panel, select 'Add to Panel'06:27
madstop(btw, thoreauputic , we've talked before, with me as error_29)06:27
Fitzzhow do I scan?06:27
WebMaven_click on 'Application Launcher'06:27
Fackamatohm, how can I turn off the auto updatedb06:27
Fackamatoit runs updatedb sometimes06:27
FackamatoI don't want it to do that :P06:27
WebMaven_click on 'Forward' button06:27
DakPowersIs there no way to access Windows files?06:27
geneo93just type it in06:27
WebMaven_click on the 'Internet' app group icon.06:27
Fitzzohh06:27
Fitzzhaha06:27
Fitzzalright06:27
WebMaven_click on 'Add'06:27
Fitzzsorry, I dont know boot parms06:27
zenroxDakPowers, read www.ubuntuguide.org06:27
thoreauputicmadstop: I run warty because I'm on dialup, basically -also it's working well for me, so why change :)06:27
Fackamatoand my crontabs are empty06:28
WebMaven_This creates a launcher that is a dropdown of all 'Internet' apps.06:28
kainWebMaven_, yes06:28
WebMaven_But, it does not use the 'Internet' icon, just a 'foot' icon.06:28
Fitzzthanks for the help06:28
kainyes, you're right06:28
FitzzI will go play with the laptop now06:28
madstopdialup!06:28
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DakPowersThanks06:28
WebMaven_kain, thank you for verifying the bug.06:28
thoreauputicFackamato: it normaly runs updatedb in the middle of the night...06:28
madstopwe should pass a hat and get you cable06:28
geneo93f1 f2 f3 Fitzz give you parms06:29
kainWebMaven_, np.06:29
thoreauputicmadstop: dsl soon, I hope :)06:29
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madstopman, some of these screensavers are cpu intensive! overkill.06:30
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zenroxi am upgrading my dsl to 1.5/386k06:30
infideli just installed ubuntu onto an older laptop and i have distortion at the bottom of my screen, anyone know what could cause this?06:30
thoreauputicmadstop: why the nick change? Hiding ? *grin*06:30
kainWebMaven_, please confirm a bug for me06:31
madstopnope, thoreauputic, but I had, or tried to have, xchat running on two laptops at once, and my router or something wouldn't let me log in,06:31
zenroxinfidel,  wate for the updates and that will be fixed06:31
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madstopso I was trying everything...06:32
madstopserver errors, thought maybe the name error29 was a jinx06:32
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kainGnome: right click on the panel -> add -> hardware monitor... crash06:32
Fackamatothoreauputic: perhaps, it just ran now (06:30), I'd like to disable that :>06:32
Borg^QueenHello people06:32
geneo91damn dun06:32
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infidelzenrox, how do i update anyway?06:33
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moominskiany1 no how i boot into windows06:33
zenroxinfidel,  sudo apt-get update06:33
thoreauputicFackamato: it runs as a daily cron job, as root I guess06:33
zenroxinfidel, then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade06:34
Borg^Queenmoominski:  Do you have grub or another boot loader installed?06:34
infidelzenrox, thanks06:34
moominskigrub06:34
Borg^QueenIs windows listed as a boot option?06:34
moominskino it just boots into ubuntu06:34
dazed_moominski: did you say yes when installing ubu to adding grub to ur master boot record...06:35
Borg^QueenYou need to add it to the list.06:35
geneo91hehe06:35
moominskiim not sure06:35
thoreauputicmadstop: do you have secondary nicks in your xchat servers dialogue? like madstop_ or error_29_ with an underscore or similar?06:35
geneo91good by windows06:35
moominskii dont no im a noob at this06:35
dazed_moominski: you did partition out a portion for windows and a portion for ubuntu before you installed correct?06:35
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Borg^Queenuh oh06:36
moominskii let it partition itself06:36
thoreauputicoops06:36
dazed_well...then i think you erased your windows drive06:36
geneo91oh boy06:36
moominskilol omg06:36
thoreauputicbye bye windows...06:36
Borg^QueenChow windows,06:36
jariis it possible unmount media in Hoary/GNOME 2.10? There is only eject ..06:36
Borg^QueenAdios,06:36
geneo91i love it06:36
moominskiis there no way to get back06:37
dazed_moominski: i did the same thing aswell but worst thing about it ...i did partition out my windows06:37
thoreauputicjari: should unmount automatically I think, when you eject06:37
zenroxmoominski,  nope06:37
Borg^Queenmoominski: you need to reinstall windows and then ubu, making sure you don't erase windows06:37
dazed_moominski: it completely formatted your hard drive and erased everythign and fresh installed ubuntu06:37
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thoreauputicmoominski: you just took the big leap into linux06:37
dazed_is there anyway to install windows after linux?06:37
moominskiomg i had so much06:37
dazed_or does it have to be before?06:37
zenroxdazed_,  before06:38
jarithoreauputic: yes it does, but I want to leave media inside but unmount it.06:38
dazed_so theres NO WAY whatsover? lol06:38
Borg^QueenYou have to install  windows BEFORE you install lunix06:38
zenroxnope06:38
Agrajagzenrox: please don't give people wrong advice06:38
Administratorfor the love of god someone explain to me how /etc/X11/X works... i'm trying to get the tvout on a dell inspiron 8000 to work, a feat that few are having success with and those that do seem to be documenting it poorly.  Apparently having a modified xorg.conf that replaces all DRIVER "ati" to "vesa" allows you to use the atitvout program to switch between screens, but the only way i've found to get this to work is to run X -xf86config -06:38
Administratordepth 24 -auth /var/gdm/:1.Xauth vt8 &, which gives me what a grey screen with a window in the middle and a cursor in the shape of an X in tvout, which is better than nothing... can anyone tell me if there are options i can tweak to get this to work?06:38
moominskitell me im not the only 1 that has did thi06:38
Borg^Queenwhoa06:38
Administratoroops, sorry about the nick06:38
dazed_damn thats a downer...im too wrapped up in my ubu to customized to start over...so new hd specifically windows here i come06:38
Agrajagdazed_: Do you have a free partition to install windows?06:38
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thoreauputicAdministrator: for the love of God don't flood the channel !06:39
britt_radiofreewhat folder do I drop stuff in for gnome-user-share?06:39
Administratori didn't realize i hadn't changed it on this comp yet06:39
dazed_Agrajag: i could make one06:39
Administratorsorry06:39
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Agrajagdazed_: then do it, and install windows on that, and then reinstall grub from a livecd06:39
kainwindows can be installed after linux, just be sure you have a first primary partition06:39
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kainsometimes windows rewrite mbr, so you must rerun grub or lilo06:39
dazed_agrajag: thats what i was thinking could be done06:39
WilcoxHello06:39
WilcoxHow is everyone???06:39
dazed_ill do that this summer06:40
dazed_lol06:40
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britt_radiofreeanyone?06:40
dazed_i dont need windows ...plus i got a laptop with nix and dows06:40
Borg^Queenif he installed windows on another drive, it will not rewrite the BR on the linux drive/06:40
dazed_so im good06:40
Borg^QueenHello Wilcox q06:40
dazed_Borg^Queen: your right06:40
error_29kain-- you mean that first primary should be reserved for windows?  or linux needs to be in there?06:40
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dazed_but you could choose which drive to boot from06:40
kainerror_29, I mean that windows install itself in the first primary partition06:41
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Borg^Queendazed_: let me guess, games?06:41
jasonweird it just broke my xorg.conf06:41
dazed_Borg^Queen: you got it06:41
Borg^QueenAddict lol06:41
dazed_lol06:41
geneo91windows asks where you want it06:41
zenroxi have tones of native linux games06:41
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error_29I thought winxp gave you a choice of partition to install to...06:41
dazed_geno91: what do you mean?06:41
Borg^Queentake a small drive and install it, run a completely separate drive for Windows.06:41
kaingeneo91, yes, but as far as I know he wants a primary partition06:41
Borg^Queenzenrox: Descent?06:42
geneo91just the mbr would get wiped so you need to reinstall grub is all06:42
dazed_yeah06:42
zenroxBorg^Queen,  nope06:42
zenroxnwn gold + hotu06:42
Borg^QueenIf you install win on a sep drive, the mbr on the nix drive will remain untouched. You can then manually add the win drive as a boot option.06:43
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Borg^Queennwn?06:43
geneo91kain:  it would be the primary for windows06:43
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geneo91kain:  no matter where it is on the drive06:43
zenroxBorg^Queen,  never winter nights06:43
dazed_Borg^Queen: if they are 2 completely seperate drives then you have to choose which drive to boot from and they would be completely sepearte mbr's06:43
kainforget me if I'm wrong, but can you install windows on an extended partition?06:44
sabmocim just amazed and amazed06:44
sabmocamazed and fscking amazed06:44
Borg^QueenAye but if you tell grub where it is, it will include it. man grub06:44
dazed_sabmoc: at what?06:44
dazed_Borg^Queen: can grub really do that?06:44
dazed_i did not know06:44
geneo91kain:  windows can see only one primary06:44
sabmocdazed_ ubuntu guide06:44
Borg^Queenkain:  yes you can but with a lot of problems06:44
geneo91its own06:44
kainand that's the point, sorry for my english but I can't do any better to explain06:45
Borg^Queenkain:  you're doing fine06:45
kainthanks06:45
Borg^Queen:)06:45
infidelhow come when i installed ubuntu it didn't ask me for a root password but when i try to su - it won't let me06:45
sabmocdazed_ its like everything I've ever wanted, now if only it had some instructions for my wife ;) kekeke06:45
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Borg^Queendazed_: http://linuxreviews.org/howtos/Kernel-Build-HOWTO/en/x594.html06:45
geneo91kain:  i have some big drives here with 4 primaries on them06:46
zenroxinfidel,  read www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki and search for sudo06:46
ShredWheatDoes wine have an ESD sound driver?06:46
thoreauputicinfidel: because you don't use su, you use sudo with your user password06:46
Borg^Queendazed_: http://desktops.linux.com/howtos/Multiboot-with-GRUB.shtml06:46
geneo91infidel:  man sudo in terminal06:47
infidelok thnks06:47
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dazed_Borq^Queen: the amazing things that can be done with grub make it ultimately incredibly easy to dual boot the WRONG way lol :)06:47
thoreauputicinfidel: you didn't read the screen that explains this in the installer, did you?06:47
Borg^QueenI was very impressed with ubuntu's website. It's message06:47
geneo91dazed i have 7 oses on this box06:48
Borg^Queendazed_: you said a mouth full06:48
Borg^Queengeneo91: you crazy man06:48
geneo91no i just do a lot of testing06:48
dazed_hehe06:48
Borg^QueenWhat have you tested?06:48
dazed_geno91: i know you listed em all the other day :)06:49
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geneo91just about every major linux distro there is06:49
Borg^Queenlist them again06:49
Borg^Queenlol whoa06:49
Borg^QueenMy goodness. And which do you like best?06:49
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geneo91well i added a new cooker version of mandrake 10.2 yesterday06:50
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pepsijoin #c06:50
pepsier06:50
zenroxgeneo91,  have thay got there act together yet06:50
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geneo91some of the kde3.4 stuff is backported to kde 3.3.206:50
Borg^Queengeneo91: what do you think of Mandrake?06:51
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geneo91its not as good as it used to be06:51
aspuruDoes nvidia work again in hoary preview? (I just updated a bunch of packages!)06:51
raydoggHow come when i right click on a mp3, it crashes the window I was viewing the mp3 with06:51
raydoggbut other files don't cause this06:51
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zenroxaspuru, should06:51
aspuruthanks zenrox06:51
geneo91raydogg:  you need decoder06:52
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Borg^Queengeneo91: not as good as it used to be?06:53
geneo91Borg^Queen:  yeah used to be cutting edge but to many slackers working there now06:54
raydogggeneo91, I installed xmms and it plays them fine if i drag them from the window06:54
aspuruwish me luck! rebooting06:54
aspuru:)06:54
raydoggi am trying to change the file associationg06:54
raydogg-g06:54
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jeorbsorry for a lame question but google seems to be failing me -- where can I find a package list for ubuntu universe?  (i'm contemplating switiching from gentoo)06:54
Borg^Queenslackers as in the OS or slackers as in layabouts?06:54
geneo91raydogg:  maybe you need to choose mine types for it06:55
Borg^Queenjeorb: good question06:55
geneo91or tell it what player to use a default06:55
farruinnHey folks, I just finished modifying the default beep-media-player skin to match the Human Theme: http://www2.potsdam.edu/sprang31/HumanSkin.png and HumanSkin.tar.gz06:55
farruinnjeorb: do a google for ubuntu packages, check the first hit06:55
geneo91farruinn:  do jpg please06:56
farruinnone sec06:56
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jeorbfarruin: wow, I was so close (was searching for "ubuntu universe packages") thanks!06:56
farruinnjeorb: no problem =)06:56
raydogggeneo91, mine types ?06:56
geneo91mp306:57
Borg^Queengeneo91: why jpgs?06:57
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geneo91i used to using so many oses i get confused06:57
geneo91Borg^Queen: low bandwidth here06:58
Borg^Queenlol06:58
Borg^QueenAh ok06:58
raydogggeneo91, what file are the file associations stored in, maybe i can change it manually ?06:58
farruinnok, HumanSkin.jpg is there now06:58
Borg^Queenraydogg: what gui are you using?06:58
raydogggnome?06:58
Borg^Queenrats06:58
raydoggwhy ?06:58
geneo9128800 and getting sp2 for a custommers box06:58
farruinngeneo91: heh, the png is actually smaller...06:59
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Borg^QueenKDE, you have imediate control over file assiociation06:59
raydoggI dont' really like kde that much06:59
raydoggi used to use it06:59
Borg^QueenGASP!06:59
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geneo91farruinn:  how'd you manage that06:59
raydoggi dont' think its as mature as gnome06:59
farruinngeneo91: just went with gimp defaults....06:59
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Borg^QueenHave you used it?06:59
raydoggyeah07:00
geneo91ahh thats why07:00
raydoggI used to use it exclusively07:00
Borg^QueenAye, I use both current versions.07:00
raydoggI wish adobe would port photoshop to linux07:00
Borg^QueenGnome and KDE.07:00
Borg^QueenYuck07:00
raydoggthats one app that i think there will never be a oss equivalent07:00
GammaRayraydogg: why?07:00
Borg^QueenThe gimp is getting there07:01
raydoggbecause i deal with alot of psds07:01
raydoggand gimp doesn't open them correctly07:01
Borg^QueenIn some ways it's better07:01
geneo91gimp is going to be better than photoshop one day07:01
GammaRaybecasue of the file format? pfft07:01
raydoggmaybe one day...07:01
Borg^QueenNot yet07:01
raydoggwell, pfft all you want07:01
raydoggbut i have no choice07:01
raydoggi have to keep windows/photoshop around07:01
Borg^Queenraydogg:  you can't open psd files?07:01
raydoggor vmware/windows/photoshop07:01
raydoggyeah, gimp opens them07:01
raydoggbut not correctly07:01
jeorbphotoshop works well in wine (if your already used to photoshop it beats learning the gimp interface)07:02
Borg^QueenOdd I've never had a problem07:02
raydoggWine makes windows apps look like poop07:02
raydoggand it is buggy07:02
GammaRaywell that's different from "thats one app that i think there will never be a oss equivalent"07:02
farruinngimp will only get better if more peopple use it07:02
raydoggGammaRay, maybe I was being a little overdramatic :-)07:02
Borg^Queenlol07:02
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Haydencan you export documents from the gimp in psd?07:02
geneo91raydogg:  is that gimp 2.2 you have07:02
raydoggyeah07:02
Borg^QueenHayden: I don't think so07:02
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jeorbyes and no -- you lose some transparency in the layers and layer effects are lost07:03
Haydenok07:03
kainGammaRay, surely internet explorer07:03
kainrofl07:03
raydoggWell, how about FlashFXP :-)07:03
Borg^QueenGammaRay: Descent07:03
geneo91tell the ppl at gimp .org07:03
raydogggeneo91, I'm sure they'll listen to me tons07:03
Borg^Queenkain: that's just mean07:03
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GammaRayGoLive is pretty good.. dunno about that new editor that uses the mozilla toolkit07:04
geneo91raydogg:  they listen to everyone07:04
CoponsHi i was wondering, how can burn a vcd?07:04
Borg^QueenGammaRay: NuView?07:04
GammaRaythat's the one...07:04
Borg^QueenCopons: K3b07:04
Borg^QueenGammaRay: it bites07:04
Borg^QueenMozilla's is better07:05
geneo91raydogg:  look at there bug list for that and see if their aware of the problem07:05
GammaRayBorg^Queen: huh?07:05
Borg^QueenIts bad07:05
kainI would like to see dc++ in linux.. dcgui-qt is not so good07:05
GammaRayBorg^Queen: woah I thought you said "mozilla is better"07:05
Borg^QueenI did.07:05
GammaRay(the browser)07:05
Borg^QueenThe editor in mozilla is better than the revamped nuview editor07:06
Borg^QueenCopons: you can also use dvdstyler to do it.07:06
jeorbnvu is a long way from being done so don't pick on it too much yet ;)07:06
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DakPowersOh my gosh! So close!07:06
Borg^QueenOr kavi2vcd07:06
Borg^Queenjeorb: ok ok07:07
CoponsBorg^Queen, can it burns vcd with a ,avi file?07:07
farruinngeneo91: the screenshot I made is 31K, the .tar.gz is 37K07:07
DakPowersI've got my ndiswrapper installed, the driver installed... Is there some sort of a wireless tool that you can use to configure stuff?07:07
Borg^Queencopilot: nope, you need to convert them to vcd format. Get avidemux2 for that.07:07
geneo91farruinn:  i'll look07:07
Borg^QueenMake sure you have ALL it's deps07:07
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geneo91farruinn:  that skin will work with xmms also???????07:08
farruinngeneo91: I just thought it was interesting that the whole thing is only slightly larger than the screenshot07:08
farruinngeneo91: it should07:08
farruinnI haven't tried it07:08
xoxoxohello. anybody pls tell me how can i update for security fixes in ubuntu (only security fixes, not other updates)?07:08
geneo91yeah i think so to a regular winamp 1 skin07:09
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Borg^Queenxoxoxo: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/07:09
geneo91or 2 sorry07:09
farruinnxoxoxo: just comment out all the lines except the security ones in /etc/apt/sources.list07:09
Borg^Queenhttp://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/07:09
farruinngeneo91: this is the first time I've ever done anything like this07:09
DakPowersIs there a tool in Ubuntu that lets you choose which wlan to connect to and what not?07:09
farruinnor even used gimp tbh...07:09
bluefoxicyhow the fuck does bittorrent work anyway07:10
bluefoxicyfiles have random chunks of other files in them07:10
geneo91farruinn:  looks good i have a BeOS skin i use most of the time07:10
bluefoxicyexcept07:10
bluefoxicywhen it finishes07:10
bluefoxicyeverything's right.07:10
bluefoxicybittorrent down ocremix, play one file, you hear chunks from like 10 files07:10
DakPowersBlue, you're downloading chunks from other people... And uploading chunks TO other people07:10
farruinngeneo91: yeah, I don't know if I'll actually be using it much, I have a nice one that matches my enlightenment theme07:10
bluefoxicywhen the torrent's done, the files are correct07:11
DakPowersYep07:11
bluefoxicyDakPowers: Into hundreds or thousands of files at once07:11
farruinnbut I thought there should be a brown skin to match human, I couldn't find any07:11
bluefoxicyDakPowers:  it's not like it makes 1 big file07:11
visorhey people im not trying to troll but how do you see the default (clearlooks) theme in ubuntu, do you like it?07:11
DakPowersbluefoxicy, I know, I'm just sayin', that's how it works07:11
bluefoxicyit makes like, 01_-_Mario2.mp3 02_-_Sonic3.mp3 03_-_Mario.mp3 and 01_-_Mario2.mp3 will have chunks of the other two until the torrent finishes07:11
geneo91farruinn:  i have kde here with pipe cross so i dont think it would match to well07:11
bluefoxicywhat the hell does it do07:11
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bluefoxicyreorganize everything crossfile at the end07:11
farruinngeneo91: lol, probably not07:12
xoxoxoBorg^Queen: i cannot find any help on my question at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/ ?07:12
bluefoxicyfor like 900 hours07:12
geneo91farruinn:  my daughters fav colors07:12
tritiumxoxoxo, assuming you have Warty, you need these 2 lines in /etc/apt/sources.list: deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted07:12
tritiumdeb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted07:12
bluefoxicyDakPowers:  I could see it downloading chunks of file X into file X, Y into Y, Z into Z; but not X Y and Z into X and Z Y and X into Y and so on07:12
raptor9kanyone here successfully running NetworkManager in Hoary? Having some trouble getting the NetworkManagerInfo working07:12
Borg^Queen<farruinn> xoxoxo: just comment out all the lines except the security ones in /etc/apt/sources.list07:13
bluefoxicyDakPowers:  extrude for 1000 files and grab random sets of 5-10 to associate with random files07:13
xoxoxotritium: yes, then ?07:13
xoxoxoBorg^Queen: that is not the good solution, rite?07:13
farruinnxoxoxo: just disable anything that doesn't say security in the repositories window in synaptic07:13
tritiumxoxoxo, update and upgrade as usual07:13
geneo91raptor9k:  use network-admin in terminal07:14
Borg^Queenxoxoxo: everyone is giving you the instructions you need. Filter out the rest of us and read what they are telling you carefully.07:14
signalis here a way to start an x terminal using a different configuration file than you did for the one that you get when you boot?07:14
bluefoxicyDakPowers:  It works werid, I wanna know htf it manages to do that without filesystem damage or massive restructuring at the end07:14
xoxoxocomments out lines, then upgrade? i expect there are some command line option, so i dont need to touch source.list all the time07:14
signali'm trying now and it seems to not be loading a window manager07:14
tritiumxoxoxo, you only edit sources.list once07:14
xoxoxoBorg^Queen: i see the answers, but i think there are better way.07:14
farruinnsignal: a window manager or a display manager?07:15
Borg^Queenxoxoxo: it would seem they have a great deal of experience with Ubu, I would take their advice.07:15
geneo91tritium:  not so07:15
raptor9kgeneo91: I know its there but I was really hoping to get NetworkManager working...07:15
tritiumgeneo91, ?07:15
xoxoxotritium: then after updating, i must modify the sources.list again (to back to normal)? then everytime i need to upgrade for security fixes, i must again modify sources.list??? too bad i guess.07:15
Borg^Queenxoxoxo: at worst, it will do until you find a better way.07:15
tritiumxoxoxo, no, you'll always want security updates, won't you?07:16
xoxoxoi meant that is a solution, but that doesnt scale07:16
geneo91tritium:  i've done mine 3-4 times now07:16
tritiumgeneo91, why?07:16
xoxoxotritium: but what if i need to install a new software?07:16
geneo91why because things change everyday07:16
tritiumgeneo91, not repositories07:16
dazed_raptor9k: what kinda network trouble you having im having some myself?07:17
xoxoxoBorg^Queen: ok i see, but i wonder if there is another way.07:17
geneo91yes some do07:17
tritiumgeneo91, not official ones07:17
Borg^Queenxoxoxo: There maybe, and in time we will find it.07:17
signalfarriunn: a guess a display manager, i'm getting a grey screen with an X cursor07:17
xoxoxook, anyway i appreciate your helps. thanks07:17
geneo91well i use some others aswell man!!!!!!!!!!07:17
Borg^Queenxoxoxo: save a copy of the original file as a reference07:17
dazed_can anyone help me with my network trouble...i have 2 ubuntu systems (laptop-hoary, pc-warty) each system can pick up their own systems shared folders but not the other systems shared folders....anyone have any ideas!?!?!?!?!?07:17
tritiumgeneo91, what I said is correct for official repos07:17
farruinnsignal: did this happen randomly or did you just install?07:18
raptor9kwell I'm mostly having trouble getting the applet NetworkManagerInfo to work correctly.  The network stuff is fine, I just want an easier way to manage wireless networks07:18
dazed_oh raptor9k ok07:18
tritiumgeneo91, don't correct me if you have a special case that's an exception07:18
geneo91tritium:  what if he wants the other updates next week07:18
dazed_anyone have any ideas for me?07:19
raptor9ki set up NetworkManager according the the wiki entry on the ubuntu site using the ubuntu packages but I can't get the applet to show up in the notification box07:19
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geneo91case closed07:19
tritiumgeneo91, he asked for "only security fixes"07:19
geneo91but you said you only do it once07:20
farruinnraptor9k: the _applet_ would just sit on the panel wouldn't it? The notification area is its own applet...07:20
jeorbdazed_:is this with samba or something else?07:20
tritiumthat's right07:20
signalfarruin: When I boot theres no problem... i'm trying to be able to have different terminals have different properties so i can do things like watch dvds and enable 3d support07:20
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agentdunkenhi07:20
tritiumgeneo91, you don't have to be editing your sources.list all the time07:20
dazed_jeorb: i believe its with samba07:20
dazed_thats what i have installed07:20
raptor9kwell the aplet should show up inside the notification area aplet hehe07:20
geneo91i do07:20
agentdunkenhi is there a way to install gnoppix onto your hd?07:20
farruinnsignal: ah, I see. You're using gdm flexiserver?07:20
dazed_i just want to do some file sharing between the 2 computers07:20
tritiumgeneo91, then you're an exception to the rule07:20
farruinnraptor9k: I see =) (I dont have a laptop)07:21
agentdunkenis there any way to install gnoppix onto your hd?07:21
geneo91tritium:  i use some rpms as well07:21
agentdunkenis there any way to install gnoppix ontoy uor hd07:21
raptor9kI think that's how it goes.  Its the part of the bar down by the clock where battery status and stuff is shwon07:21
farruinnagentdunken: you'll need the install cd07:21
raptor9kshown*07:21
agentdunkenwhere do you get the install cd07:21
farruinnagentdunken: www.ubuntulinux.org07:22
jeorbdazed_:what did you do so far to set it up?07:22
dazed_any ideas jeorb?07:22
signalfarruin: umm...no, but it sounds like I should be. isn't there some way to just pass startx or X a .conf file to read?07:22
bluefoxicyok07:22
dazed_ok well...07:22
bluefoxicyit's rearranging shit while it goes07:22
bluefoxicyso what the hell07:22
bluefoxicybt-insert-sort or something07:22
agentdunkenthx07:22
geneo91well i need sleep07:22
geneo91nite all07:22
farruinnsignal: if all you want to do is have different sessions open (gnome, fluxbox, xfce, etc) flexiserver will work07:22
dazed_jeorb: i have my pc set up comfortably i believe ( i installed samba smbfs and samba client and i can browse windows networks (when there is one))07:22
farruinnsignal: at least that's the extent I've used it for07:23
Borg^Queengeneo91: night07:23
dazed_jeorb: i installed the same packages on the laptop and its just not bringing up the other systems shared folders in the 'network:///'07:23
farruinnsignal: iirc you have Applications>System Tools>New Login with the default install...07:23
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jeorbdazed_: did you happen to give them the same network name?07:23
dazed_jeorb: i did at first...but then i changed it, but wierd thing is...the old network name (which is same as pc) is still being brought up on the laptop07:24
Borg^QueenWell people. My question is. I'm starting a lug for noobs in my area. Would ubu, be a good starting point for them?07:24
raptor9kanyone notice that gdm-restart doesn't work...for some reason the - isn't recognized as a printable character :/07:24
jeorbdaded07:24
geneo91tritium:  btw i use plf for somethings07:24
farruinnraptor9k: try /etc/init.d/gdm restart07:25
tritiumgeneo91, and?07:25
raptor9khmm07:25
agentdunkenok07:25
jeorbdazed_: i had that happen once too...lemme think back...07:25
farruinnBorg^Queen: when someone wants to try linux for the first time I hand them an ubuntu cd07:25
Borg^Queenok07:25
dazed_jeorb: preciate it :)07:26
signalfarruinn: thanks.07:26
Borg^QueenMy next question. I deal with churchs that have NO net connection. When I need to give them updates, I do it via CDs. How hard would it be to do that with ubu?07:26
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ellstritium: what is up mike07:27
tritiumells, Hey Steve07:27
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dazed_jeorb: if it helps the window title is a lil strange to me it says 'initial-laptop on initial-laptop' sounds like its on its own server if i could get it on a general server?07:28
ellstritium: my computer is working.I went ahead and upgraded and am using rhythmbox07:28
tritiumells, how do you like it?07:28
goodoldunclemike? i just installed ubuntu 4.10...and during install i did not see anywhere where it asked me to create a root password..so how do i install stuff now..where i need root access07:28
tritiumgoodoldunclemike, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo07:28
Quaruptwhats the command to run a .pl (python) script?07:29
ellstritium: not bad mike, kind of reminds me of iTunes07:29
goodoldunclemikeok thanks07:29
jeorbdazed_: open a root terminal, type everything between the quotes "mount -t smbfs //COMPUTERNAME/SHARENAME" changing COMPUTERNAME and SHARENAME as needed -- this will tell us if samba is configured and working07:29
tritiumells, that's the idea07:29
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ellstritium: that is good, I use iTunes07:29
ellswill eventually go to that for my iPod07:30
QuaruptAnyone execute a python script?07:30
farruinnQuarupt: python script.pl07:30
lukewarmQuarupt, .pl is perl, not python07:30
ikaromoin07:30
farruinnoop07:30
tritiumells, does the iPod support in rhythmbox work for you?07:30
dazed_jeorb: it gave me an error hold on let me bring up xchat on the laptop07:30
Quaruptoh my bad07:30
farruinnQuarupt: if it *is* python just 'python name.py' :D07:31
ellstritium: havent tried yet, if you hold on I will let you know real quick07:31
jeorbdazed_: i realized i cut down my example too far :P07:31
Quaruptokay but its perl07:31
dazed_i know07:31
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tritiumells, ok.  I don't have an iPod, so I have no idea...07:31
jeorbdazed_: 'mkdir /mnt/smb'07:31
dazed_... add /mountfolder07:31
Quaruptso how to execute a perl script?07:31
ellstritium: we shall see real quick07:31
dazed_jeorb: it gave me an smbfs error though07:31
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jeorbdazed_: exactly07:32
lukewarmQuarupt, take a wild guess07:32
jeorbdazed_: what was the error?07:32
Quaruptperl file.pl?07:32
dazed_jeorb: im loading up xchat on the laptop so i can paste it one sec07:32
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jeorbok07:33
raptor9klol07:33
raptor9krestarted the machine and the applet is there now07:33
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dazed__jeorb: this is the error '16957: session setup failed: ERRDOS - ERRnoaccess (Access denied.)07:33
dazed__SMB connection failed07:33
farruinnQuarupt: I *think* you can ./file.pl07:33
jeorbdazed_: then your samba is setup to require a password and possibly a user07:34
dazed_how do i change that...i installed only basic packages and didnt configure anything07:34
raptor9kbrb testing wireless07:35
jeorbdazed_:lemme see if I can find the gnomish way to do it (i'm a kde user)07:35
dazed_alright thanks jeorb07:35
ellstritium: will have too look into it, I have mp4 on my ipod, so i think I will need additional codecs07:35
Quaruptthis script wants to know the location of my GCC program, how do i find it?07:36
dazed_also when i try to mount my laptops shared folder onto my pc it gives me a failed to connect error07:36
tritiumells, cool.  I'll be curious to know your results07:36
dazed_actually it gives me same error07:36
ellstritium: will let you know07:36
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tritiumells, cool, thanks07:37
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QuaruptCan someone please tell me where GCC is kept by default?07:38
FackamatoQuarupt: whereis gcc07:38
farruinnQuarupt: it's not installed by default, you'll need build-essential07:38
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LordGrunthi07:39
Fackamatohi07:39
rattboican someone help me either figure out how to do hardware sound mixing or use the ALSA software mixer as default, so I can have more than one app using sound?07:39
LordGruntis it possible to hav esupermount with latest kernel on hoary?07:39
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jeorbdazed_:I'm having trouble finding info on configuring samba from Gnome.  You might want to try from the command line.07:39
DakPowersAyeeee... I can't boot up Ubuntu. It stops on clock synchronization for 2 minutes or more07:39
QuaruptWhat is the location of the directory of C header files that match my running07:40
Quaruptkernel?07:40
dazed_thats fine what do i need to do???07:40
dazed_jeorb: thats fine what do i need to do???**07:40
jeorbdazed_: http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1996707:40
rattboiDakPowers, press ctrl+C07:40
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rattboiDakPowers, do you have ethernet on?07:40
DakPowersSeriously? That's all I'm missing? Geez... lol07:40
LordGruntQuarupt: need to download it forst07:40
DakPowersYes, but still nothing07:40
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QuaruptLordGrunt, I think i have Kernel Headers07:40
DakPowersSo Ctrl+C will skip that step?07:41
rattboiit'll kill the script, so yeah07:41
LordGruntQuarupt: /usr/src/?07:41
andreizhello. how do i find out the dependencies of a binary ? i need that in order to create a config file (Depends section) for a deb package07:41
DakPowersAwesome... brb, hopefully :-/07:41
DakPowersThanks, by the way07:41
rattboimight be ctrl+x07:41
rattboibut I think it's ctrl+c07:41
DakPowersAlright, I'll give it a try. Thanks, rattboi07:41
LordGrunthmm, about the supermount again, pls?07:42
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jeorbdazed_: I think I found something even better -- try installing gnosamba, it looks perfect07:42
rattboiisn't supermount a Mandrake thing?07:42
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LordGruntmdk only?07:42
adamhI've got two sound cards on my system (nvidia's built-in one and my emu10k1). The speakers are plugged into the second, and so I get no sound. How do I select an alternate sound card?07:42
dazed_jeorb: ill give it a shot...is it in apt-get?07:43
rattboijeorb, do you like Homestarrunner?07:43
LordGruntrattboi: you think there is anyway to get such feature in ubuntu?07:43
rattboiLordGrunt, what is your problem exactly?07:43
jeorbdazed_:i believe so, there is a debian package for it07:43
rattboimost of my mounts already automount07:43
technomajianWow, folks, you got another happy ubuntu user.  lol, this is awesome.07:43
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LordGruntrattboi: cd's wont mount automatically, neither they unmount07:44
dazed_jeorb: could u direct me to the debian package cuz im not seeing it in my apt-cache07:44
rattboiLordGrunt, are you running warty?07:44
LordGrunthoary07:44
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rattboiLordGrunt, strange07:44
rattboiit's working here07:44
LordGruntdo you have in fstab a line for cd?07:45
andreizplease help. how do i find out the dependencies of a binary ? i need that in order to create a config file (Depends section) for a deb package..07:45
LordGruntrattboi: cause it wasnt present when just installed07:45
LordGruntneeded to add it myself07:45
QuaruptCan anyone please tell me in which dir are the kernel headers stored?07:45
technomajianGot a couple of questions to throw into the fray, though.  I'd like to get rid of OpenOffice -- want to install 1.1.4 -- but in order to remove the package using Synaptic, it wants to remove ubuntu-desktop as well.  How do I get around that?  Do I need to get around that?07:45
FackamatoQuarupt:  /usr/src07:45
adamhtechnomajian: You remove ubuntu-desktop07:46
Fackamatoyou have to make a symlink to /usr/src/linux yourself07:46
adamhtechnomajian: ubuntu-desktop doesn't actually have any files. It's just a bunch of dependencies.07:46
technomajianOh, oh, okay.  Thanks.07:46
LordGrunttechnomajian: ubuntu-desktop is preety useless ;)07:46
adamhtechnomajian: Unfortunately, when you dist-upgrade you may miss out on nice stuff. For example, when I switched from Warty to Hoary I missed out on Gamin and things got quite broken :)07:46
technomajianI'm a little gunshy in that regard ever since I removed a Mandrake package and hosed my system.  lol.07:47
technomajianIck.07:47
adamhQuarupt: /usr/src/linux-headers-xxxxx07:47
dazed_jeorb: i found the package...should i install gnosamba on both systems???07:47
adamhQuarupt: You've gotta have the linux-headers-xxxx package installed first :)07:47
Quaruptit is07:47
adamhSo, nobody here has had problems with multiple sound cards?07:48
technomajianIf I uninstalled it for now, and then upgraded to Hoary later, and at that point reinstalled ubuntu-desktop, would it require me to reinstall the old OpenOffice as well?07:48
adamhtechnomajian: Yes.07:48
technomajianOkay.07:48
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Quaruptthis script is asking for my C header files thta match my running kernel?07:48
technomajianNuts.  Guess I've got a decision to make.  hmm ...07:48
adamhtechnomajian: What *I* ended up doing for a while was just typing in "apt-get install ubuntu-desktop", typing "N" when it asked me, and then apt-get installing the ones from the list which I found important.07:48
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adamhQuarupt: The script ought to be able to find them automatically. But they're in /usr/src/linux-headers-xxxx... where xxxx is "type ls to find out" :)07:49
Quarupthrm all thats there is a dir called RPM07:49
tritiumQuarupt, did you install the headers already?07:50
technomajianAh, okay.  What's the rationale for the ubuntu-desktop package in the first place, then?  Not trying to be lippy, just sort of curious about it.07:50
farruinntechnomajian: it's an easy way to make sure all of the "necessary" packages are installed by default07:50
LordGruntrattboi: k, i have noticed that cd spins a bit when inserted. then, spins a bit more when entering /media/ but /media/cdrom doesnt contain anything07:50
technomajianAh, okay.07:50
adamhtechnomajian: Erm... kinda hard to explain. It's like saying "What's the rationale for the 'gnome' package" :)07:50
technomajianHeh, good point.07:50
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Quarupttritium, I guess not, my problem is that i am running a 386 kernel but im using a AMD64 proc, so i should still get the headers that match my kernel right?07:52
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technomajianThanks for the answers, folks.  As I said, I am EXTREMELY impressed with this distro!!07:52
adamhtechnomajian: I think everybody who uses it is :)07:52
tritiumQuarupt, yes.  Get linux-headers-`uname -r`07:52
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Quaruptokay cool07:52
_4strOyo07:53
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LordGruntyep, except some minor thins...07:53
=== technomajian has it running on a Toshiba laptop. Took him 15 minutes to get his wlan card working. Took him 4 hours to do it in SuSE.
dazed_jeorb: tons of dependencies for that package hehe07:54
adamhtechnomajian: Heh, mine worked as soon as I installed :P07:54
adamh...and then it died. MEH.07:54
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adamhAh well, sweepytime07:54
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LordGruntso, anyone could know why my automount is not working?07:54
technomajianWell, from a little Googling, I've discovered that my card has historically been a little pain in the butt.  Linksys WPC11 v.4.07:55
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pastyhermitif I run Hoary07:55
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pastyhermitit will update until Hoary becomes stable right?07:55
dazed_sudo apt-get install gdk-imlib1 && sudo apt-get install libart2 && sudo apt-get install libdb2 && sudo apt-get install libgnome32 && sudo apt-get install libgnomesupport0 && sudo apt-get install libgnomeui32 && sudo apt-get install xlib6g07:55
deFryskpastyhermit, yes07:56
pastyhermitso if I keep updating hoary when it comes stable I will have the exact same isntall?07:56
deFryskpastyhermit, yes07:56
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pastyhermitsweet07:57
pastyhermitHoary + XFCE here we come :D07:57
dazed_http://packages.debian.org/stable/admin/gnosamba07:57
pastyhermitmm when the new NVIDIA card comes I will get composite too :D07:57
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DakPowersI'm having wlan trouble now... But I've got further than I ever have before, sooo07:58
pastyhermitlater dudes07:59
pastyhermitoh one more question07:59
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pastyhermitif I want a pretty bare-bones install I should just do a "server" install and upgrade and install stuff from there right?07:59
farruinnsure, just make sure you get an xserver07:59
pastyhermitxserver?07:59
pastyhermitWhats that :P08:00
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farruinnif you get xfce it should probably pull in what you need08:00
pastyhermitfarruinn: yeah I figured as much08:00
jasoncohenthis guy on mandrdake is insisting that ubuntu has no root user. I think he is an idiot and doesn't have a clue what he's talking about. can someone clear up the situation?08:00
jeorbdazed_: sorry I kinda disappeared, real life called me away...i'll be gone for the rest of the night...good luck!08:00
pastyhermitalright, later dudes08:00
jasoncohenon #mandrake08:00
SmokingFireon #mythtv-users08:00
jasoncohenmy mistake08:01
jasoncohen#mythtv-users, correct08:01
dazed_jeorb: thanks for the help have a good one08:01
SmokingFireAnd I said its disabled by default08:01
technomajianjasoncohen:  that confused me too for a bit, but I eventually figured it out ... lol08:01
jasoncohenheh08:01
jasoncohenso, what's the answer?08:01
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SmokingFireSo anyone can confirm me or jason?08:01
jasoncohenclearly the "first account" has system rights08:01
jasoncohenas root would08:01
technomajianWell, I just RTFM and all was a-okay.  ;-)08:01
jasoncohenand as such it seems it is root with a different name08:01
SmokingFirebut technomajian is the the root account disabled by default or not?08:02
tritiumjasoncohen, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo08:02
jasoncohenhow could it be disabled? Some account must have root privileges- call it whatever you want08:02
technomajianIt is disabled by default, and you have to sudo everything.  However, enabling it is trivial if you really want to.08:02
jasoncohentechnomajian: so you can't login as root directly, you have to sudo to get root privileges?08:03
DakPowersAlright... I've read the support documents, Installed ndiswrapper, got the right driver going, LED on the wireless card is on, just now I can't connect to my wlan... Am I doing something wrong?08:03
technomajianOut of the box, yes, that is what I've found.  But again, if you want to be able to log in as root, you can set it up to do that by doing a sudo passwd root, and assigning root a password.08:04
technomajianWhat card do you have, DakPowers?08:04
DakPowersDell Truemobile 130008:04
technomajianEek, okay.  Well, hmm ... did you run modprobe ndiswrapper?08:05
DakPowersI receive signal and everything, I just can't connect to anything08:05
DakPowersYes08:05
technomajianOh, okay.  I take it you've got the ESSID set up and all?08:05
DakPowersYeah, but it still won't connect :-/08:05
technomajianOkay, did you check your default gateway? I had that problem with my card.08:06
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pastyhermitwhat tool says no root in ubuntu08:06
DakPowersHere's the newbie question... Is the MAC address the same in Linux as it is in Windows?08:06
HrdwrBoBpastyhermit: the majority of the developers08:06
pastyhermitlol08:06
technomajianTheoretically, yes.  The MAC address should never change.08:06
pastyhermitwhy then can I type 'sudo passwd'08:06
HrdwrBoB'sudo' is generally a better idea08:06
pastyhermitthen su08:06
DakPowersBecause I have my router set up only to send to my MAC addresses08:06
pepsiwhy do so many people complain about not having root?08:06
pastyhermitlol08:06
HrdwrBoBpastyhermit: you're free to do whatever you like08:07
HrdwrBoBthat's the way linux works :08:07
HrdwrBoB:)08:07
pastyhermitso there is a root user08:07
pastyhermit:D08:07
pepsimake one08:07
HrdwrBoBof course there is08:07
pastyhermitso ...08:07
HrdwrBoBhowever we recommend you don't use it per se08:07
HrdwrBoBonly via sudo08:07
pastyhermitwhy do 'developers say there is none08:07
HrdwrBoBwhich is the way the ubuntu tools work08:07
pepsisudo -s08:07
pastyhermitdevelopers implies they have intellegence08:07
technomajianDakPowers, brb.  gonna look at something.08:07
DakPowersAlrighty, I appreciate it08:07
HrdwrBoBbecause it's a lot easier than explaining the entire concept to someone who does not understand08:07
pastyhermitHrdwrBoB: this is true :D08:08
HrdwrBoBif you know enough to know there's a root account, go for your life, do what you want08:08
pastyhermitjust say 'Administration or System Password'08:08
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HrdwrBoBthere's no need for a seperate password08:08
pastyhermit:D08:08
HrdwrBoBusing sudo you simply use your password08:08
pastyhermitwell for some there is :D08:08
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HrdwrBoBthose that want to do it that way are welcome to08:09
pastyhermitsweet :D08:09
HrdwrBoBas a sysadmin I find sudo is very useful in logging what goes on by whom and when08:09
HrdwrBoBeven things I've done08:09
pastyhermitI guess for the desktops let the users do whayt they want08:09
technomajianDakPowers, you might want to get one of these more serious gurus to tell you what command line ditty to use to check to see what your system thinks the MAC address is.  I'm not very good with the command line thing.  The MAC address shouldn't change, but I've seen it happen on ethernet cards before, so it may be possible with a wlan too.08:10
HrdwrBoBfrom a laypersons POV, sudo is generally a better idea08:10
HrdwrBoBbecause there is only one password08:10
farruinnand from a desktop distro pov08:10
technomajianDakPowers, can you talk to the router?08:11
DakPowersLet me see.08:11
DakPowersYes, I can, while I'm plugged in08:12
DakPowersShould I try while unplugged?08:12
technomajianTry using your wlan card.08:12
DakPowersIf I discon, you'll know why... brb08:13
technomajiank.08:13
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DakPowersNothing.08:13
DakPowers:-/08:13
technomajianhmm.  k, looking.08:13
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QuaruptMassage the BEAST08:15
Quaruptoops08:15
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technomajianWell, I'm out on a limb here because I'm only been using Ubuntu for a couple of hours, but if you've got your ESSID and WEP key info right ... I don't know.  It's not the problem I thought it was if you can't talk to the router.08:15
jsgotangcobbl08:15
DakPowerslol08:16
DakPowersDarn08:16
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technomajianDon't feel bad, I had a hell of a time getting my system set up the first time I tried.08:17
technomajianPerhaps you could tweak something on the router side of things?08:17
DakPowersYeah, I've been trying for 2 days now over 2 distros08:17
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LordGruntanother problem, my mplayer plays avi's almost like slideshow, this is not normal thing, i used to plays tons of movies on my prev system, mdk08:18
LordGruntall with great performance08:19
DakPowersHere's the thing, though... I'll connect to the router and look at the active users. Plug in the card, and a MAC address shows up. So the card/computer are acknowledging each other, but just not talking to each other.08:19
technomajianYeah, hawke, I feel that way at times too.08:22
technomajianTry pinging your router.08:22
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technomajianRemember, I'm just kind of a high-tier newbie myself.  Way I see it, you poke enough screws with the screwdriver, something'll go squeak.08:23
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DakPowerslol08:24
DakPowersNothing when I ping it :-/08:24
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technomajianOkay, I'm all out of ideas, I think.  Maybe someone else can jump in?  I honestly don't know from here ... :-(08:25
jnoonanyone know how to disable beep on the whole system? ie. not just in terminal, and not just in firefox, but just remove the thing completely?08:26
DakPowersI so appreciate the help, though :)08:26
technomajianYou're welcome.  I wish I could have done more.08:27
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Fackamatoanyone tried f1 2002 in cedega?08:28
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farruinnjnoon: have you looked at the Sound preferences? You can disable "sounds for events"08:32
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jnoonfarruinn, thanks.  looks like it worked!  would there be any benefit to ... dont know how to explain this correctly... to disable it at the startup level, so it isnt even loaded at boot, so it couldnt function no matter what options were checked?08:35
farruinnI don't think there would be a benefit...08:36
technomajianWell, all, I need to get to bed.  See you folks later.  Again, thanks for your help!08:36
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knoppixanybody have time for a hardware question?08:36
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knoppixjust replaced my mobo08:36
knoppixand now i can't boot into X08:37
Fackamatowhat mainboard did you have before, and which one are you using now?08:37
knoppixbut i was able to boot into knoppix just fine08:37
knoppixECS KT600A now08:37
farruinnthe BusID has probably changed for your graphics card08:37
knoppixoh ok08:38
knoppixso how do i workaround?08:38
knoppixchange something in XF86Config-4?08:38
farruinnI'd back up your XF86Config-4 or xorg.conf first then run 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86'08:38
Fackamatoor just search for "busid" in your X config and compare with lspci08:39
Fackamatosave yoruself some time08:39
farruinnthere's a better solution08:39
turfwhere could i edit my eth0, can't find its path /etc/sysconfig?08:39
knoppixthanks!08:39
farruinnhm, what I have in my xorg.conf and what lspci return is different08:40
farruinnlooks like one is hex and the other decimal, is that true for everyone or just macs?08:41
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Anubishttp://www.linuxmagazine.com/content/view/45/115/08:43
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QuaruptUbuntu was on Slashdot today08:44
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sonojackerHello friends.  Does anyone know about an acpi problem at recent hoary updates?08:45
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wm_eddieSynaptic said this: Searching for splash image... none found, skipping...08:48
sonojackerdon't worry, that's grub08:48
wm_eddieis there some official splash image for Ubuntu?08:48
wm_eddieah08:48
wm_eddieok08:48
sonojackerI don't think so08:48
sonojackerbut you can apt-get a package08:48
tritiumQuarupt, you never got back to me about linux-headers08:48
wm_eddieI'll just leave things the way they are.08:49
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sonojackertry apt-get install grub-splashimages08:49
sonojackertritium, hello.  Do you know something about kernel bugs at version 2.6.10-5?08:50
yoko-omocan anyone explain to me why www.milwaukeebrewers.com crashes mozilla firefox in hoary?08:50
tritiumsonojacker, no, the last problems were in 2.6.10-4 (build 26) that I'm aware of08:50
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Fackamatoyoko-omo: It diesn't crash mine08:51
medwards_Has anyone started to look at unionfs for the livecd?08:51
yoko-omo:/08:51
yoko-omogreeat08:51
sonojackerI see tritium.... is just that after today's upgrades, I don't have acpi support08:51
yoko-omowell, now i wonder just how I fucked it up08:51
sonojackerkernel's log shows successful acpi loading08:52
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tritiumsonojacker, hmm, that's the first I've heard of any problems with it.  Sorry.08:52
calvinhey, so whoever had the tip about my busid changing with my mobo replacement was right08:52
calvindid the trick08:52
calvinon to bigger and better things...my monitor resolution resets everytime i reboot.  has been happening ever since i bought my nifty new 17" LCD.08:54
calvinit defaults back to 1024x76808:54
calvininstead of 1280x102408:54
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calvinno biggie, but kind of a pain08:54
sonojackerOK.  Thx tritium.  I will try to find out what happened.  Its a pitty, since mine is a laptop...08:55
tritiumsonojacker, yes, I'm sorry that happened to you08:55
sonojackerr u a kernel developer tritium?08:55
sonojackerfor ubuntu i mean08:56
Fackamatocalvin:08:56
sonojackermantainer08:56
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tritiumsonojacker, no, not even close :)08:56
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sonojackerhehe ok08:56
jesse_YES.08:57
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Fackamatocalvin: about the resolution, could you upload your X configuration somewhere08:57
sonojackerI had never meet a kernel mantainer... they are mytic hah08:57
sonojackermythic08:57
csjhello, I have apt-get install ubuntu-artwork and I use the clearlooks gtk theme, but how com I dont have the progressbar appear?08:57
tritiumsonojacker, I just like to see people have a good ubuntu experience, that's all08:57
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sonojackerthat's so kind tritium! A real FLOSS attitude. congrats.08:57
tritiumsonojacker, :)08:58
csjand I have check that the gconf seetiong "/desktop/gnome/interface/enable_animations" is true08:58
calvinjust noticed something in my XF86Config file08:58
FackamatoHow do I choose which gtk theme to use?08:58
csjs/seetiong/setting08:58
calvinlet me see if this fixes it...08:58
tritiumsonojacker, but now it's bed time.  Take care!  See you around...08:59
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yoko-omo...09:00
yoko-omothis is annoying09:00
yoko-omoI don't understand why firefox is crashing09:00
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kalisis there anyone in here who knows how to get ISO8859-1 folder/file names in SMB mounted shares to look as supposed?09:00
sonojackersee ya tritium good luck09:01
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sonojackerpeople, does anyone have via chipsets in here?09:02
deFrysksonojacker, yes09:02
kalisi have codepage=850 and iocharset=iso8859-1 in my fstab, but i still says "invalid encoding" for all iso8859-1 specifics09:02
sonojackerdo you work in Hoary deFrysk?09:03
deFryskin hoary yup09:03
sonojackerdid you applied today's updates deFrysk?09:03
deFryskyes09:03
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sonojackerdeFrysk, and everything all rite right?09:04
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deFrysksonojacker, no glitches here09:04
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sonojackerI see... I have a problem with ACPI and my K8 scaling.09:04
deFryskkoffee09:05
IrcUsrdoes ubuntu play encrypted DVDs out of the box?09:05
medwards_Anyone here ever tried generating a LiveCD from scratch (i. e., not starting from a previous LiveCD)?09:05
sonojackerAnyone with scaling frequency scaling problems after today's updates?  Sad things like the GNOME Frequency app showing nothing?09:06
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sonojackerNo IrcUsr09:06
ia1anyone know the name of that app that lets you display in a browser the web traffic sniffed?09:06
IrcUsrsonojacker: i don't see decss plugin in packages either, will i just have to do it manually?09:06
sonojackerGoogle for Christian Marillat's packages for Debian IrcUsr09:07
sonojackerapt-get the libcss stuff at his profane repositories IrcUsr09:07
sonojacker(profane and necessary to impress your girlfriend and migrate her computer to linux)09:08
sonojacker(btw, that was not sexist, just a real life story)09:09
ia1sonojacker: how'd you impress her?09:09
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medwards_After going through remastering Kanotix and Knoppix CDs, I would sure rather have a reproducible process that starts with debootstrap or the equivalent.09:09
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aeolistargh09:10
aeolisthi, does anybody know how i can turn off the automount in ubuntu?09:10
sonojackerwith a mix of GNOME simpleness, Muine, Tomboy, totem-xine showing a DVD and... presenting all this with tenderness heh09:11
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sonojackersorry guys for talking about off topics09:11
Fackamatoaeolist: try removing "user" in /etc/fstab09:12
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ia1sonojacker: nicely done.  should get her involved in the scene.  needs more women.09:13
aeolistit's not like that fackamato09:13
aeolisti am trying to partition my usb hard disk09:13
aeolistand it can't finish, because ubuntu mounts the first partition, before the format of the second partition is completed09:14
sonojackertotally agree ia109:15
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da_bon_bonhi all09:15
ian__sonojacker: with gnome being all sexy-easy I think the time has come.  we're getting artist folk already (eg. http://actsofvolition.com)09:16
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NeoCicakhello09:16
NeoCicaki have a usb bluetooth adapter...09:16
NeoCicakhow do i know if it works in ubuntu??09:17
sonojackertrue ian_, that's the plateau for a cultural something.  Ubuntu people pushed the concept even farther.09:18
deucehauscan someone recommend a cheap videocard that will do dvds and mpeg/avi out of the box?  3d doesn't matter, but i'd also like dvi09:18
NeoCicakhelloooo09:19
NeoCicakanyone can answer my question?09:19
aeolistjesus man, be patient09:19
aeolistif it works in linux it works in ubuntu09:19
aeolisttry searching some general linux forums09:19
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aeolistin general, linux supports 99% of hardware that's more than a month old09:20
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eyequeueNeoCicak:  i don't have one09:22
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eyequeueNeoCicak:  so i can't say from personal experience09:22
eyequeueNeoCicak:  but since no one else appears to know either, mi'll tell you what i would do in that situation09:23
eyequeueNeoCicak:  i would d/l the live cd, and see if my hardware worked with that first, before i did an install to disk09:23
sonojackerHey VIA chipset people.  I found the VIA chipset thingy: agpgart: Unsupported Via chipset (device id: 3188), you might want to try agp_try_unsupported=1.09:24
aeolistgood thinking eyequeue09:24
sonojackerthat's part of my kernel's log09:24
NeoCicaki already have ubuntu installed :)09:25
eyequeueheh, okay09:25
aeolistwhy worry then09:25
aeolistbluetooth has existed for more than 2-3 years09:25
aeolistright?09:25
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eyequeuepoke around in google with your model, + linux, and see what driver it uses09:26
eyequeuethen for "foo" you want to do a "modprobe foo" and it should work09:26
eyequeuefrom the commandline, as root, so "sudo modprobe foo" in a terminal as your user account09:27
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sonojackerSo, VIA chipsets are not part of the kernel, but that does not matter at all.09:28
sonojackerAt least this VIA chipset.  Nothing to worry about.09:28
aeolistdont worry, just panic09:28
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eyequeueaeolist:  lol, 4209:29
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sonojackerhaha09:32
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sonojackerthe only panic should take me because of VIA!! not because of a kernel problem I mean.09:33
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turfguys where can i edit my lan?09:34
turfi cant find the path of my eth09:34
eyequeueturf look at /etc/network/interfaces09:35
turfeyequeue:got it thanks!09:36
eyequeuenp09:37
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toromeihello09:37
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toromeii was wondering if someone could help me with my little problem...09:38
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toromeii installed ubuntu, and now my computer is stuck in an infinite reboot loop :S09:39
aeolisthow come?09:39
eyequeuehow far does it get before looping?09:40
toromeino idea... it said it was going to reboot and complete the install, but...09:40
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eyequeuehmm, something obviously got messed09:40
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eyequeueif it was me, i'd start over and see if it happened the next time09:41
eyequeuebut it's possible the kernel has some problem with your hardware09:41
toromeiram, drives, raid, and then lists hardware info and says something but it resets too fast for me to read it09:41
eyequeuethough i would think it would have happened with the installer kernel too09:41
toromei'stage 1.5' is the last bit of text that shows up09:42
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aeolistpoor grub installation?09:43
eyequeueokay, that sounds like grub09:43
eyequeueyeah09:43
toromeiyeah, it does say grus09:43
toromeier, grub09:43
eyequeueGRand Unified Bootloader btw09:43
toromeiit said that i should install it to the mbr, but that appears to be not such a good thing in this case09:43
aeolistif i were you, i would use my vast windows experience: format/reinstall09:43
toromeilol09:44
toromeiwell, i was trying to dual boot09:44
eyequeuelol, that's what i'd do too, but i wouldn't call it the same, heheh09:44
aeolistwell09:44
aeolistin order to dual boot09:44
aeolistfirst install windows09:45
aeolistthen ubuntu (and do let it use the mbr)09:45
eyequeuedon't erase your ms partition09:45
toromeidoes it mater that im running off of a raid sontroller?09:45
aeolistgrub automatically detects windows09:45
eyequeuebut do erase the ubuntu and swap partitions09:45
toromeiyeah, xp is already installed09:45
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eyequeueraid09:45
aeolistand then make a grub boot disk through ubuntu, in case windows decides to clean your mbr09:45
aeolistthat is not the best of ways, but it works09:46
eyequeueyeah, there's a strong possibility that is the cause09:46
aeolistand it's easy09:46
eyequeuethough i know nothing about raid to help you09:46
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toromeiive never had trouble with it before, but maybe ubuntu doesnt have the proper driver for the controller09:46
Fackamatowoah09:46
Fackamatothe composite extension is NICE09:46
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IrcUsrwhat happens with xorg DRI modules between kernel upgrades?09:47
eyequeuetoromei:  if no one has a more concrete solution, i'd do a search for raid at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/09:47
aeolistit's hardware raid right?09:47
toromeiis there a way for me to repair the mbr with the install cd?09:48
toromeiyes09:48
aeolistthen09:48
aeolistyou can press f1 f2 etc09:48
aeolistin the first installation thingy09:48
aeolistlet me see if it mentions raid09:48
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aeolistyou are in luck, i am was just about to install ubuntu on the second pc09:48
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turfeyequeue: what is the equivalent command of service network restart in ubuntu?09:49
aeolistnope09:49
aeolistnothing there09:49
IrcUsris there anything in debian that is _not_ in ubuntu?09:49
eyequeueturf:  since i odn't know that command, i'm not sure.  what should it accomplish?09:49
eyequeueturf:  oh nm, i got it in context of what you asked before:  sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart09:50
eyequeueIrcUsr:  yes and no09:50
Thom_Holwerdadoes anybode know if there is a solution to te "no damage extension" bug when using ati drivers with xcompmgr?09:50
eyequeueIrcUsr:  official ubuntu comtains less, but if you add extra repositories your probably about the same09:51
turfeyequeue: i edit interface and want to make that change work09:51
IrcUsreyequeue: OK, so the base OS is much the same with the desktop bolted on?09:51
eyequeueturf:  for eth0?09:51
turfeyequeue: yes09:51
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eyequeueturf:  i would just do this: sudo ifdown eth0 (which will probably say it wasn't up) then sudo ifup eth009:52
jkphello all -09:52
jkpdo any of you have experience using SVN or a VCS to manage a whole OS distro?09:52
eyequeueIrcUsr:  with specific exceptions of course, yes, ubuntu is based on debian, so very similar in many ways09:52
sabmocIm having trouble with the 5.04 preview, after my first update and restart X.org will not restart.09:53
toromeii found some stuff on raid, but as im a linux newbie, its rather obtuse for me09:53
aeolistwhat kind of trouble sabmoc?09:53
turfeyequeue: got it, another question where do i edit gateway i'll be using?09:53
jkpif so, i would love to hear how its done - what kind of things i need to look into , how permissions are handled by the repo for example09:53
jkpand many other questions09:53
sabmocaeolist: the X.org server will not run after I restart it.09:53
eyequeueturf:  the gw setting in ifconfig?  you can add "gateway" line in the eth0 stanza of that file, iirc09:54
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aeolistwhat error message does it return?09:54
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eyequeueturf:  type "man 5 interfaces" to get the exact syntax09:54
sabmocaeolist: it claims not to be able to find GLcore or something like that.09:54
turfeyequeue:ok09:55
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sabmocaeolist: Im on an athalon thunderbird with an nvidia geforce card09:55
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aeolistyeah09:55
aeolistxm09:55
kalisDamn xcompmgr and Nvidia really dont work well together switching workspaces ;)09:56
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sabmocaeolist: do you think it would help if I try to install the nvidia drivers? so far I have just been using the nv driver and it has been borking on me.09:57
aeolistxm xm09:57
sabmocxm?09:57
aeolistyou should try to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg09:58
sabmocah09:58
aeolistxm =hm = thinking (i do dat from time to time)09:58
sabmocheh09:58
sabmocsec09:58
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toromeihow can i make device mapper setup raid devices for boot?09:59
sabmocanother weird thing, when I restart and X.org bunks up, it flashs a few times and then an ncurses display pops up asking if i want to see the errors, but even the ncurses display is really messed up.09:59
toromeior...i probably cant, because itd have to boot off of that drive...09:59
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sabmoclots of weird characters all over the place10:00
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aeolistsabmoc, what have you done?10:00
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kalissabmoc: I am using the nvidia drivers, and it really dont work well with rdesktop windows. But unless you use a lot of rdesktop connections, i think its a good idea to use it instead of the nv driver.10:00
aeolistO_o10:00
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sabmocthe funny part is, earlier today, the first time I installed, it worked fine10:00
kalissabmoc: It screwed up the xorg.conf file. Set defaultdepth to 24 instead of 110:01
kalisit did the same for me with todays update.10:01
sabmockalis: excelent10:01
sabmockalis: thats actually good news10:01
aeolistyeah, that should do the trick10:01
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sabmockalis: did you install the nvidia driver just with something like `sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx; sudo apt-get install nvidia-settings; sudo nvidia-glx-config enable;` ?10:02
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sabmocwhats the best way to install them?10:04
kalison the command line it would have looked something like that ;) i used synaptic and ubuntu-upate for it. And then added nvidia to /etc/modules and nvidia in xorg.conf10:04
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sabmocok, ill try it with synaptic10:04
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kalissabmoc: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/Official_nVidia/view?searchterm=nvidia10:06
kalisthats a good thing to know also...10:06
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sabmochmm10:07
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sabmocok, if this doesnt work I think i'll reinstall and try that10:07
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sabmocI wish people would put dates on there wiki shit, I really have no idea when that was written.10:08
sabmocor by whom10:08
schasiJup would be cool10:08
sabmocwho(?)10:09
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schasiwhom was right10:10
sabmocthanks10:11
sabmocuh, in my synaptic summary it shows three packages will be unchanged, linux-image-386 linux-restricted-modules-386 ubuntu-desktop  ..are those important, or could they be realated to xorg being unhappy?10:12
sabmocI take it those are the kernel image and modules.10:12
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kangahello10:14
kanganeed help please10:14
sabmocwhats wrong kanga?10:14
dwa_ask away kanga10:14
sabmocwhere is the xorg config file located and what is it called, Im only used to xfree86 still10:15
kangaive got cd live tried to load from cd boots into dos like A:/10:15
kangathen what do u do ?10:15
dwa_sabmoc : /etc/X11/xorg.conf10:15
sabmocdwa_: thank you10:16
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sabmocthat makes a lot of sence10:16
dwa_kanga is this your first try with linux?10:16
kangayep10:16
sabmocwow10:17
sabmocwelcome to the club :)10:17
kangai tjought it would boot straight from cd10:17
kangaand tahnk you10:17
schasiIt should normally10:17
kangacan i get step by step instructions somewhere?10:18
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toromeihow do i put the bootloader on a floppy?10:18
toromeidev/?10:18
kangaps i dont have a floppy10:18
aeolistthere is a howto10:18
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sabmockanga: I thought the live cd's are only ment to live in memory, it sounds like you are trying to install something. Are you trying to install with a live cd?10:19
kangawhere is that please10:19
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kangawas told to change boot device to cd and then start pc and linux would but fron there10:19
aeolisti meant10:20
kangaboot10:20
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aeolisttoromei: there is a how to for that10:20
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aeolistkanga, it should boot after you make a couple of choices10:20
MyNameIsChrisFor some reason Ubuntu has difficulty getting audio of a cd, cdparanoia. For example, cdparanoia creates a terrible wav even at 1X. My drive has worked fine in other distros10:20
aeolistwhat's your problem exactly?10:20
MyNameIsChrisEveryone knows what I meant to type10:20
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MyNameIsChrisMultiple output errors in cd paranoia resulting in lousy rips. DVD audio is also awful as if playback10:21
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kangaive got cd live tried to load from cd boots into dos like A:/10:22
kangathen what do i do10:22
iRobi'm getting 7700KB/sec FTP download speeds from a direct connected FTP machine running a full-duplex gigabit ethernet both ends.  Does this seem right speed or are there some things I should be tweaking?10:22
sabmociRob: sounds good to me10:23
[Rain] im confused why my wireless usb adapter works with ndiswrapper even though ndiswrapper -l says "hardware not present"10:23
iRobsabmoc: really?  cool...10:23
kangaaeolist:10:24
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scizzomorning10:24
sabmociRob: yeah well 7mb/ps is pretty fast I think10:24
sabmoci dont know..10:24
aeolistyes kanga10:25
[Rain] network speed is limited by the speed of the harddrive/cpu10:25
kangad/l and burnt to cdrw is that possibly the problem?10:25
aeolistno10:25
aeolistlook10:25
sabmocno kanga10:25
aeolistyou dl and burn the live thinkgy10:25
aeolistgo to bios, first boot device = cdrom10:25
kangayes as iso with nero10:25
kangaok did that10:25
aeolistrestart the puter with the live cd in10:25
aeolistubuntu will ask a couple of things10:26
aeolistand ta-da10:26
kangadid that and booted to dos10:26
kangacandera-dos and the A:/10:26
sabmockanga: what he is trying to say... maybe the disk is not booting because your computer BIOS is not set up properly.10:26
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kangahas worked wit couple of reformats10:27
sabmockanga: check your computer BIOS and make sure that CDROM is the first boot, understand?10:27
kangayes ive got that10:27
kangait boots into dos from there10:28
DeadZedwhat command I use for checking part size and space left ??10:28
kangaloike this A;/10:28
sabmocno, this is linux, there is not dos.10:28
scizzokanga: make sure that you don't have a floppy inside also10:28
kangadont have a floppy drive10:28
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sabmockanga: can you show me the link where you found the live cd from?10:28
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sabmocshow me the webpage10:29
DeadZed what command I use for checking part size and space left ??10:29
kangai think www,ubuntulinux.org10:29
kangamirror in ireland heanet10:29
sabmocDeadZed: df -h10:29
DeadZed:)10:30
DeadZednice10:30
sabmocbut which file, maybe you downloaded the wrong arch10:30
kangafile is called warty-release-live-i386.iso10:31
DeadZedsabmoc did you know that off of your head or you looked it up10:31
sabmochmm10:31
sabmocDeadZed: I remember that one10:31
kangasabmoc: is that the right one?10:31
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aeolistdeadzed, it's really common10:32
sabmockanga: almost, one moment10:32
jamin_lhey guys10:32
[Rain] take the cd out of your computer, and kick it across the room, then you booted it10:32
kangaaeolist where id\s that how to10:32
kangaoops is10:32
sabmockanga: are you trying to install linux, or do you just want to use a live disk to see what it looks like?10:32
kangause live disc please10:32
jamin_li'm getting random system freezes with Hoary. Posted /var/log/syslog to http://members.shaw.ca/c_nikkel/syslog.txt if anyone can assist10:33
sabmockanga: then I think you are out of luck.10:33
kangawhy swabmoc?10:33
kangasabmoc10:33
DeadZedjamin_l I've noticed A LOT of bugs in Hoary :(10:33
sabmockanga: you have the correct disk, and all you should have to do is put in cdrom, and boot and BOOM, linux.10:33
jamin_lDeadZed, what problems have you encountered?10:34
DeadZeduhhh10:34
sabmockanga: perhaps the disk image is corrupt. have you tried to download the file again and burn a new disk?10:34
kangacould the burning have gone wrong i can see all the files on the disc via windows10:34
sabmockanga: that is good, if you can see the files that means you burned it properly.10:34
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kangaso back to bios settings the10:35
scizzojamin_l: ummm...how does the harddrive feel_10:35
scizzo?10:35
jamin_lfeel?10:35
kangaill ate all boot devices to cd then10:35
DeadZedjamin_l Totem, Synaptic crash, hotplug makes ubuntu freeze, ubuntu freezes with no reason etc10:35
sabmockanga: yes, double check your bios, cdrom must be the first boot device.10:35
kangacan it also be 2 and 310:35
scizzoDeadZed: Totem and Synaptic?10:35
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sabmockanga: and if that does not work then make a new disk10:35
DeadZedjamin_l other than that ubuntu seems to be on the right track :)10:35
Quinn_Stormhey, anyone have any idea why kdesu and gksu don't work under ubuntu (hoary, up-to-date)?  I can su without troubles, but kdesu and gksu never accept my root password.10:35
scizzoDeadZed: I have no problem with them here10:35
DeadZeddunno then10:36
DeadZedI had10:36
DeadZedSynaptic didnt work at all .. been using apt-get10:36
jamin_lscizzo, I'm not sure what you mean by: "how does the harddrive feel"10:36
sabmockanga: no, cdrom should be #1, and harddrive should be #2, nothing else matters.10:36
sabmocit feels sexy10:36
[Rain] i hope hoary is more friendly with detecting/drivers for my hardware10:36
scizzoMar 16 14:48:38 localhost kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev hda, sector 117375210:36
scizzoMar 16 14:48:38 localhost kernel: hda: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }10:37
[Rain] put cd rom and nothing else, just for testing sake10:37
scizzoMar 16 14:48:38 localhost kernel: hda: command error: error=0x5410:37
scizzoMar 16 14:48:38 localhost kernel: ide: failed opcode was 10010:37
scizzoetc10:37
scizzodoesn't seem happy enough10:37
kangathanks for your help guys see u later10:37
jamin_lwell when we installed it we gave it coordinates for Heads, sectors, cylinders10:37
sabmocbye kanga hope you figure it out10:37
kangacheers10:37
jamin_li know that's 16,63,15881610:37
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scizzojamin_l: hmmm10:38
sabmocnow who is going to help me fix my problem :(10:38
Quinn_Stormany thoughts on my gksu/kdesu problem?10:38
jamin_lwe have this as a double-boot machine with Windows10:38
scizzojamin_l: eek...you resized the disk?10:38
scizzojamin_l: partition I mean?10:39
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jamin_lonly with the Ubuntu install10:39
jamin_lwhen it asks to partition space10:39
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scizzojamin_l: I mean did you take space from a partition that already has a filesystem?10:40
jamin_lno10:41
scizzook10:41
scizzojust askin10:41
scizzo:)10:41
jamin_li did a full install at the beginning10:41
jamin_lset aside space for Windows10:41
sabmocis it still necessary to place nvidia on the /etc/modules file?10:41
jamin_lthen left the remaining space for Ubuntu and all the partitions it likes10:41
sabmocjamin_l: partitions are a waste, just make 3 partitions, / /swap and my personal favorite /backup10:42
DeadZedHas anyone tried Win4Lin on Ubuntu (or Debian generally) , ... what does it entail to install it? How big is it ? does it run fine?10:42
jamin_lsabmoc, yes that's what i meant10:42
scizzosabmoc: why not 4 ? /home also?10:42
jamin_li believe ours is /, /swap, /home10:42
sabmocscizzo: whats the point? just use /backup10:43
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Quinn_Stormanyone heard anything about why kdesu and gksu and such don't work?  su works fine...10:43
scizzosabmoc: just format the / and /swap and home will still be ther10:43
sabmocthat way you can have as much in your home dir as you want, fill the whole disk with mp3 and movies in your home dir.10:43
sabmocscizzo: use /backup when you format /10:43
[Rain] how well does ubuntu perform without a swap?10:43
kainother xorg upgrade on hoary10:43
kain6.8.2-5.110:43
scizzosabmoc: no thanks...I want to restrict the use of /home a little10:43
jamin_l[Rain] , I think it requires /swap10:44
jamin_lat least a 500MB that is10:44
sabmocscizzo: well it works for me, i just compress stuff, put in on /backup then reformat root and all is well.10:44
[Rain] in the ubuntu installer it says a swap is optional10:44
sabmocscizzo: im only on a single user system so I dont need to do that10:44
jamin_lI think you usually need/want a /swap10:44
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sabmocjamin_l: if you have 2gb or more of ram you dont need swap10:45
jamin_lscizzo, any other ideas with the random system freezes?10:45
sabmocjamin_l: but then again, it all depends what you do with it. If its a maya workstation then yeah, you need swap. haha10:45
scizzojamin_l: sorry....I am not sure...10:45
sabmocjamin_l: is this a workstation or laptop10:46
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jamin_lleft a message on ubuntuforums too so hopefully i'll get something there.... and it's a desktop...10:46
sabmocjamin_l: new or old?10:46
jamin_lrelatively new, but not bleeding edge10:47
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DeadZedsabmoc what were you telling earlier .. that it's possible to re-install linux without touching /home ?10:47
jamin_lAthlon XP 1800+, 1.5GHz10:47
sabmocjamin_l: have you tried disabling apci ?10:47
jamin_lgot 768MB RAM10:47
jamin_lwhat is APCI & how is it disabled10:47
sabmocDeadZed: yes, thats a strategy some find very useful10:47
DeadZedI thought all Os-s overwrite everything if you do re-install10:48
sleptI used to use modconf wit debian, is there something similar in ubunt ?10:48
scizzoDeadZed: not really10:48
scizzoDeadZed: depends on how you set things up10:48
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sabmocslept: i think modconf is the same on all distros, I could be wrong10:48
DeadZedSome linuxes give option to keep /home I think but not all10:49
scizzoDeadZed: for example sabmoc copies the /home/user to /backup and compress it to that dir....copies it back into place when new install is done10:49
sleptcan't find it with apt :-(10:49
scizzoDeadZed: as for me...I create a 4 gig partition that is /home and have it as a seperate partition all the time...10:49
jnooncan someone tell me how to start a gdesklet or whatever these things are? i downloaded it, ran the Install_...bin, but I dont know what im supposed to do from here. probably a real dumb question10:49
sabmocjamin_l: I cant remember the boot parameter, but its something like `linux apci=false`10:49
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jamin_lsabmoc, are you meaning ACPI? or APCI?10:49
sabmocslept: I think its possible named something like kernel-utils, not sure10:50
scizzoDeadZed: when install tells you what you want to do with the partitions just tell it to leave the /home partition alone and do the rest10:50
DeadZedsome give that option yes10:50
sabmocjamin_l: yes power control, sorry got the abreviation wrong :(10:50
scizzoDeadZed: you can do it with most systems10:50
DeadZeddoes ubuntu haev option of not touching /home10:50
scizzoDeadZed: yes10:50
selinium_HELP! i just installed the 3D Desktop via Symantic, and now my system wont boot.10:50
DeadZed:)10:50
sabmocDeadZed: only if you make /home a partition10:50
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DeadZedehh10:51
DeadZedits not a separate part10:51
jamin_lok thanks for the info guys...10:51
sabmocDeadZed: then it wont work10:51
Quinn_Stormhey, anyone have any idea why kdesu and gksu don't work under ubuntu (hoary, up-to-date)?  I can su without troubles, but kdesu and gksu never accept my root password.10:51
jamin_li'm gonna head to bed... almost 2 am here10:51
njanQuinn_Storm, because ubuntu doesn't have a root user10:51
DeadZedI think Xandros give you oprtion of not touching /home when you reinstall10:51
scizzoDeadZed: if it is part of / then no it won't leave it alone10:51
njanQuinn_Storm, you want gkduso10:51
njanQuinn_Storm, *gksudo10:51
Quinn_Stormnjan: mine -does- have a root user10:51
scizzoDeadZed: like I said before creating a partition will help with that10:51
Quinn_Stormnjan: I can su without trouble, entering my root password and such10:52
scizzoDeadZed: that is because it is its own partition10:52
njanQuinn_Storm, then you've got a hacked ubuntu which people in here won't be able to adequately support for you, because it's not a standard ubuntu system :)10:52
scizzo/dev/hda4             6,5G  2,2G  4,0G  35% /home10:52
sabmocQuinn_Storm: no idea, sorry. ubuntu uses sudo more frequently than su so maybe it has something to do with that.10:52
scizzofor example10:52
Quinn_Stormnjan: I did no hacking, just installed from the hoary cd10:52
[Rain] im going to try the hoary preview with no swap, and monitor the usage of it10:52
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Quinn_Stormsabmoc: I've gone over the docs, and root is unlocked and such, and I can't find anything in /etc/pam.d that seems wrong...10:52
DeadZedQuinn_Storm Whats the difference between su, sudo and all those others10:53
Quinn_StormDeadZed: sudo lets you run something as root by entering your password, su lets you switch user to root by entering the root password...essentially.  it is more complicated than that but that's a basic overview10:53
sabmocQuinn_Storm: well I just installed ubuntu today so Im really clueless when it comes to the distro quirks, but maybe kde just hasnt got the bugs worked out yet, I think they just started adding it a little while ago.10:53
sabmoci could be wrong, but I think ubuntu was gnome only until only a few weeks ago10:54
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Quinn_Stormsabmoc: unfortunately its not a kde bug, gksu doesn't work either10:54
sabmocyeah..10:54
scizzoDeadZed: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch3.en.html#s3.210:55
scizzoDeadZed: that is actually a good explanation of how to use partition tables10:55
RiddellQuinn_Storm: tried entering your user password into kdesu?10:55
sabmocQuinn_Storm: have you tried just using `su`?10:56
scizzoDeadZed: you can restrict access with sudo also....10:56
sleptQuinn_Storm: What do you need it for ? You can use a xterm and then start things with sudo.10:56
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selinium_Can anyone help, i just installed 3D desktop via Synaptic and now my PC wont boot fully, saying cannot start X. Is there a way I can just uninstall 3D desktop?10:57
membreyahey there guys, whats the easiest way to find out what port a webpage is being served on ?10:57
selinium_I can get a command prompt.10:57
Quinn_StormRiddell: yes I have, doesn't work10:57
Quinn_Stormslept: kcontrol modules that want to run as root, for example10:57
sabmocQuinn_Storm: but you can log in with root? thats strange10:57
scizzoDeadZed: if you have a person login in to the system you can tell that person to have sudo rights instead of giving a root password to do some of the stuff on the machine...for example you brother or something wants to run apt-get update or something...then you can tell sudo that $user has right to apt-get update but nothing else10:57
Quinn_Stormbesides I'm not in /etc/sudoers anyway (again I stress I didn't do anything strange to this install, just installed from the hoary CD)10:58
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Quinn_Stormsabmoc: yes I can log in with root, and su to root10:58
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sabmocQuinn_Storm: so.. you can `su` to root, you can open an app with `sudo` but you cant open an app with `gksu` when you give the root password. Does it give any errors?11:00
Quinn_Stormsabmoc: I can't open anything with `sudo` b/c I'm not in /etc/sudoers11:01
sabmocguh?11:01
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Quinn_Stormsabmoc: I'm not in sudoers, I can't sudo...and apparently its a kde problem...either that or they fixed gksu when I wasn't looking...last time I tried it it wouldn't work, but it works now, just tried it to make sure11:02
scizzoQuinn_Storm: visudo11:02
membreyahey there guys, whats the easiest way to find out what port a webpage is being served on ?11:02
Quinn_Stormscizzo: I don't -WANT- to be in my /etc/sudoers, I want to use su11:02
sabmocQuinn_Storm: your not supposed to in sudoers, only root is.11:03
Quinn_Stormsabmoc: point is, sudo doesn't work for any regular user on this system and thats the way I want it11:04
membreyaor can say secure webpages ONLY be served from port 443?11:04
sabmocmembreya: i thought secure pages are supposed to port 8111:04
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scizzoI don't get it why people are complaining about it...11:04
membreya81/44311:05
membreyams standard for https AFAIK is 44311:05
sabmocQuinn_Storm: ok, here is how sudo works, if you know this you can slap me. `sudo gedit`11:05
sabmocTHEN11:05
sabmocyou enter the USERS password, NOT root11:05
sabmocam i going to be slaped?11:06
[Rain] there is no root account alltogether correct?11:06
sabmocthere is root11:06
scizzosabmoc: he seems to know how sudo work...he wants to use su11:06
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sabmocouch :)11:06
scizzosabmoc: changing everything to su instead of sudo11:06
sabmocwell it was the only thing i could think of11:06
MorphDKhow do I get framebuffer? i'm running Kubuntu11:07
scizzostill I don't understand why people are complaining about sudo11:07
membreyasabmoc: for example the page I wanted to find out info on ...WAS on port 443 :)11:07
sabmocstupid sudo!!11:07
scizzoif people would put some time to learn how sudo works....then maybe you would understand why it is good11:07
sabmocmembreya: google for ports and find whats supposed to be on port 44311:08
Myrttisudo is good, sudo is lovely11:08
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Quinn_Stormscizzo: I know how sudo works, and in my situation its bad, its easier for someone to crack my user password than my root password, and I want my user password to only compromise my user11:08
Myrttino root passwords to hack11:08
Tomcat_Quinn_Storm: If you need root, maybe sudo passwd will help? o_O11:08
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Quinn_StormTomcat_: my root account is already enabled, gksu and su work, kdesu doesn't11:08
membreyasabmoc: http://grc.com/port_443.htm :)11:08
scizzoQuinn_Storm: if they are well in the system....then they will have access anyway...trust me11:09
Myrttiadd on top, no stupid user logs in in GDM and fucks the whole system by installing everything there11:09
MyrttiI've done it a million times11:09
Myrttiand wondered why my stuff didn't work11:09
sabmoceverthing everywhere? surely you exaggerate!11:09
selinium_Hi all , i have just installed 3D Desktop on Ubuntu via Synaptic. Now my PC fails during boot with failed to start X. Is there a way i can uninstall 3D desktop and get my machine working again? :)11:10
sabmocyou people are so distracting, i have work to do11:10
Myrttinobody told me that logging in as root in GDM and installing stuff there was a bad thing11:10
membreyawhen doing a command from a terminal, such as wget..how would I capture it's output ?11:10
Myrttimy SO told me to RTFM11:10
Myrtti\o/ men are excellent tech helps11:10
Myrtti... not11:11
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scizzoMyrtti: so pretty much you did a sudo passwd root ?11:11
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membreyayou learnt didn't you Myrtti ?11:11
Myrttimembreya: only at the third time11:11
scizzoMyrtti: logged in as root and started to use root as a normal user?11:11
membreyaoh yay, another 50Mb of updates :D11:11
ssamsudo apt-get remove 3ddesktop11:11
selinium_Myrtti: Are you just here to slag of men?11:11
Myrttino, I just installed stuff there11:11
sabmocok, im going to reboot, if I dont come back it means that my system is screwed and none of you are any help and i hate you all.. if I come back please ignore this comment.11:11
Myrttiand tried to use as normal user11:11
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ompaulsabmoc, okay11:12
selinium_sabmoc: LOL11:12
sleptselinium_ : boot single user mode (without x)11:12
Myrttiselinium_: no.11:12
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selinium_slept: Ok, how? (newbie) :)11:12
lunitikslept: instead of that... tell ubuntu users to boot into 'rescue mode'  ;)11:12
MyrttiI'm sure there are good men who can do customer service and good men that don't answer to every idiotic question by RTFM11:12
Myrttithis channel is a good example11:12
lunitikselinium_: when the boot prompt asks... hit ESC... choose 'rescue'11:12
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membreyaMyrtti: I do internet banking support :P11:12
ompaulmembreya, ahh yeah but, the internet is broken and it is all your fault11:13
lunitikslept: ps, there is a huge difference between single user... and not having X start...11:13
selinium_lunitik: I can boot in rescue mode, but this just brings me to a prompt. Being pretty new to linux and without a nice gui i'm lost. What do i do?11:13
Myrttibut if every customer care person treats customers as idiots and not worth their most precious time and help, then they need their attitudes fixed and start to think of better career planning11:14
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lunitikselinium_: I wasn't following along... what are you trying to do?11:14
lunitikMyrtti: saying RTFM is actually giving a decent amount of respect... it assumes you are capable of understanding...11:14
selinium_lunitik: i have just installed 3D Desktop on Ubuntu via Synaptic. Now my PC fails during boot with failed to start X. Is there a way i can uninstall 3D desktop and get my machine working again? :)11:15
membreyalunitik: ..it's teaching them to find the answer :)11:15
lunitikMyrtti: I guide people through such things because I don't think they will grasp a manual11:15
sleptselinum_ : log in and then sudo apt-get remove 3D...11:15
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munkiselinium_: boot into rescue mode? and apt-get remove 3d.. ?11:15
lunitikselinium_: bah... go to rescue mode... dpkg -P 3ddesktop ... restart11:16
Myrttilunitik: I've noticed that most helps, manpages and guides are written in such a way, that about half of the stuff is too hard to understand11:16
dwa_ha jan11:16
lunitikmunki: remove doesn't get rid of everything... leaves things a mess11:16
membreyawhen doing a command from a terminal, such as wget..how would I capture it's output ?11:16
Myrttiespecially, if written in non-native language11:16
munkiselinium_: and If you really wan't to use Linux, then your really got to know your bash11:16
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sabmoci win11:16
sabmocwoOt!11:17
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sabmoclunitik: haha11:17
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sleptmembreya: you can | it into other programs or > it into a file11:17
munkilunitik : it removes those packages you have got with apt-get, and also the user folders11:17
sabmocnow that I have conquered ubuntu, i must go conquer my bed. goodnight folks.11:17
selinium_munki: I do need to get a book, but I also have a missed deadline! l promise to get some practise in after that!11:17
Myrttiand the most frustrating part is that you get a RTFM to a simple question, like "how do you install software to this Linux system" and the person surely knows the answer and knows the answer is simple, just answers RTFM11:18
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lunitikmunki: it gets rid of no config files etc though... apt-get remove --purge would even be better...11:18
lunitikmunki: and I do not believe it removes user files... but I can't be asked to go check11:18
munkiselinium_: Ya ya :) it's your own problem, just an advice from me11:18
munkilunitik: it does here.. so .. no problem11:18
lunitikmunki: garentee it doesn't... but whatever11:19
sleptis there a document containing the differences to debian ?11:19
lunitikmunki: go install kde... run it... remove it... ls ~/.kde11:19
ompaulmembreya, some programs where you get high volume output and you want to capture it at the same time can be run as follows: sudo tcpdump -l | tee > some logfile11:19
munkilunitik: no i won't .. why are you hangin' on me.. Was just helping the poor guy11:20
ompaulmembreya, meant to say run and see output at the same time11:20
munkilunitik: get off my shoulder11:20
selinium_munki: I have only just discovered linux, I wish i had discovered it 10 years ago, now i have wasted all that time learning windows junk!11:20
lunitikmunki: because I dislike incorrect answers... because I get harped about them enough to not let it slide for others.11:20
munkilunitik: it's not an incorrect answer, it will get him to boot again11:21
lunitikselinium_: you really don't wish you found it 10 years ago though... 10 years ago... you'd never have gotten it installed... and we were stuck with TWM11:21
ompaulselinium_, you can repent at the alter of gnu :)11:21
membreyaompaul: I tried doing a > to a file name and it gave me a 0 byte file :|11:21
Myrttilunitik: not even that far11:22
munkiompaul : lol ! ^^11:22
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selinium_munki && lunitik: No worries, I will 'dpkg -P 3ddesktop' i can let you know what is left if you want?11:22
lunitikselinium_: 3ddesktop adds things to your home?11:22
munkiselinium_ don't have to.. dpkg -P removes the most..11:22
selinium_lunitik: If i had founf it 10 years ago, i would be pretty good a bash by now!11:22
MyrttiI managed to f**k everything up just two years ago, with the lack of decent hardware detection and the impossibility of configuring X on some distros11:23
sleptdoes this channel have bots (apt), or do the bots belog to the server11:23
lunitikslept: no.. the ops don't like them I think11:23
selinium_lunitik: sorry 'sudo dpkg ...' yes?11:23
lunitikslept: ChanServ belongs to the server..11:23
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lunitikselinium_: doesn't matter... rescue mode is root only11:23
selinium_lunitik: of course11:24
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jacques_hey guys, how is the hoary beta doing? is an update a good idea at this stage?11:24
lunitikselinium_: seems like somewhat of a security flaw to me... local exploits are way too easy in Ubuntu without a grub password.11:24
sleptwhat are ops ?11:24
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lunitikslept: people in charge11:24
ZotnixPeople who have the power.11:24
ssamarray cd 7 should have been out yesterday11:24
ssamif something is holding it back then an upgrade is not a good idea11:25
membreyassam: that would explain the 100Mb+ of updates I've had in the last 2 days :)11:25
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ssamthey might be waiting for something critical to be fixed11:25
lunitikmembreya: eh... array cd's are just daily's that happen to come out the day the schedule says there is supposed to be an array11:26
ssambut then software is rarely on thime11:26
selinium_lunitik && munki : Hopefully I will be back in 5. Wish me luck! Otherwise I'll be back in 10 (It takes about that long for windows to boot!)  and thank you for all your help!11:26
membreyaenglish lunitik :P11:26
munkinp :) good luck..11:26
ssamthey say array cds should be free of show stoppers11:26
lunitikmembreya: pretty sure it was?11:26
membreyaparaphrasing here lunitik but ...array cd's are released as a daily update the day that the schedule states a new array is due?11:27
lunitikmembreya: basically, there is nothing special that goes into an Array CD ... they are just Daily snapshots that happen to fall on a day that an array is due11:27
flawdHi. I'm contemplating switching to Ubuntu. Some questions: 1) Is it possible to upgrade the system when a new ubuntu version is released over the net or do I have to download the isos? 2) Is there or will there be i686 optimation?11:27
lunitikmembreya: yes11:27
ompaulmembreya, programname options | tee foolog   <<< that works sorry I think I left my brain in bed11:27
Myrttiflawd: 1) yes, can be upgraded on net without isos11:28
membreyaflawd: yes there is already i686 opts..and you can dist-upgrade it to upgrade to a new release :)11:28
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sleptlooking for something like modconf or modconf itself or is there a reason for not having modconf in ubuntu ?11:28
ssambut for example if there was a  bad kernel, then i think they would hold back the array cd for a day or two to fix it, more people test arrays than nightlies11:28
flawdmembreya, Is this somehting that will be continually grow?11:28
flawdmedwards_, I mean is it a future goal to provide much more i686 optimated packages?11:29
sleptflawd: just replace  warthy with hoary in /etc/apt/sources.list11:29
lunitikmembreya: so... http://archive.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily/  <-- these are better to download, provided the report.html doesn't say something is b0rked on your arch...11:29
flawdmembreya, I meant you and not medwards_ sorry11:29
flawdslept, ty11:29
flawdMyrtti, ty11:29
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Myrttiflawd: np11:29
jacques_does an upgrade complete without messing anything up? who's tried it?11:29
membreyaompaul..still no good..bugger it, I will just drag and select all the text and copy it by hand :P11:29
lunitikjacques_: yes11:29
Myrttijacques_: _o/11:29
lunitikMyrtti: cuteness11:30
sleptjacques_: worked fine11:30
jacques_what about shadows in x.org in combination with nvidia-opengl ?11:30
Myrttievery named release is a stable, frozen state of certain software development stage11:30
membreyajacques_: mouse shadows?11:30
lunitikjacques_: there is a doc on the forums that tells how to enable that...11:30
Myrttiupgrading is just upgrading11:30
jacques_no, the xorg org window shadows..11:30
Myrttisure there can be problems, but usually no11:30
lunitikmembreya: no... stuff with composite11:30
jacques_exactly11:31
Myrttiespecially since the official release of hoary as stable is so close by.11:31
flawdWould it be correct to describe Ubuntu as an "out of the box" desktop version of Debian? Isn't it the equivalent of let's say Mandrake but with the stability and structure of Debian?11:31
membreyaMyrtti: ...and then it's grumpy :D11:31
ssamquick look in the dev forum, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20412 , could that not hold back an array11:31
ompaulmembreya, what program are you using?11:31
membreyaompaul: wget11:31
Myrttimembreya: I actually think I'll freeze my upgrading until 2 mnths before grumpy release11:31
Myrttilet the software mature a bit more11:32
lunitikflawd: its basically Sid with bug fixes and xorg...11:32
jacques_is the bootprocess faster in hoary ? should be i guess11:32
membreyaawwww where's your spirit of adventure Myrtti ?11:32
lunitikjacques_: yes... there was work on that ...11:32
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ssamthere are shadow instructions in the wiki search for dropshadows11:32
Myrttimembreya: I'm looking in to the future and foresee that after hoary release I have better things to do than beta testing11:33
lunitikflawd: actually... Sid doesn't have Gnome 2.10 yet either..11:33
flawdlunitik, Do you think the i696 optimized debs will grow? Do you know if this is a goal of Ubuntu?11:33
lunitikflawd: or the 'update-notification' and 'update-manager'  packages11:33
flawdlunitik, icewm here heh11:33
flawdneed to save juice11:33
membreyaflawd: if you can't find a package..compile it yourself...11:33
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lunitikflawd: right now... its just libc-686 that is providing binary optimizations11:34
membreyatho that seems impossible with flash / realplayer on amd64 >:(11:34
flawdmembreya, It is possible to compile all packs from  a -src deb?11:34
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Myrttiflawd: if the hardware is coming more used, then optimized packets are more on demand and so the amount of them too11:34
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spaceyflawd, just download the src debs and rebuild them11:34
spaceyvery easy11:34
Myrttias always, it's only about the demand11:34
lunitikflawd: sure... they are provided just like in Debian... via deb-src listings in sources.list11:34
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flawdI am asking as the choice is between arch and ubuntu as it is now11:35
flawdlunitik, it was ages ago I tried debian so I did not recall11:35
spaceyapt-get source <packagename>11:35
flawdspacey, that is neat.11:35
spaceyto download it i think11:35
lunitikflawd: Ubuntu has a better packaging policy... any joe shmoe can build a package and upload for arch... often things are broken11:35
flawdyeah I liked apt when I used it11:35
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lunitikflawd: not even related to what I meant, but ok11:36
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flawdI actually switched to libranet before turning to mandrake out of laziness. I never wanted to abandon Debian really as Im a GNU/FSF minded person11:36
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ompaulmembreya, what is the command you are issuing?11:37
lunitikflawd: there are actually steps involved in being certified to maintain a package in Debian... for arch, nothing...11:37
membreyaompaul: wget :P11:37
flawdUbuntu seems to give me a good desktop while still being in Debian world... I think I'm going to try it11:37
Myrttiflawd: that is an excellent reason11:37
ompaulwget what?11:37
flawdlunitik, :)11:37
membreyaflawd: I highly recommend downloading the ubuntu-calendar package :D11:37
ompaulfake the url ifyou have to11:38
MyrttiI use Ubuntu for the very same reason11:38
Myrttimembreya: where are the dudes?11:38
flawdmembreya, is it a sortof "whats happening in ubuntu world" thingie?11:38
Myrttime want dude pictures11:38
flawdheh11:38
flawdor just a calendar11:38
membreyaompaul: wget https://www.anz.com/wholesale/bankmain.asp?AFFID=01025 -d | tee test11:38
Myrttijust a wallpaper11:38
lunitikflawd: its umm... nude people11:38
flawdMyrtti, nod11:38
Myrttiwith chicks11:38
cocolis it possible to install kdm3.4?11:38
flawdlunitik, I've heard it's called PORN11:38
flawd:)11:38
lunitikcocol: yes... its in hoary.11:39
MyrttiI want dudes, or chocolate11:39
membreyaMyrtti: there's a pic with dudes....there's 2 in fact!11:39
Myrtti:-o11:39
ompaulmembreya, okay I have to eat - breakfast is served I will look at it when I get back11:39
cocolok tks11:39
flawdthank you guys11:39
membreyak k ompaul :)11:39
flawdyou've been most friendly and helpfull11:39
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lunitikflawd: nah... its like artistic and stuff... they go out of there way to ensure it doesn't turn any one on   :(11:39
membreyaflawd: helpful is what the ubuntu community is :)11:39
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Myrttiyeah, one another good reason to use Ubuntu11:40
Myrttithe community *is* helpful11:40
flawdlunitik, umm.. yeah... All the movies and pics containing "nude people" I watch is umm...artistic and tasty. *crosses fingers*11:40
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membreyalunitik: that's why you have to empty them once in a while :)11:41
membreyammm smokes :D11:41
Myrttilunitik: try a glass jar with lid and put water in it the halfway11:41
lunitikmembreya: ohh... I knew that  :P11:41
_axelnvidia no longer broken?11:41
Myrttithat's what my mom does11:41
flawdof I go11:41
flawdagain thanks11:41
Myrttia little hole in the middle to drop the butts in11:41
lunitikflawd: good luck  :)11:41
flawdthank you11:41
membreyai use one of the ashtrays with the pushy down things that seals in the butts :)11:41
Myrttion the lid11:41
flawdI will no doubt be back later11:41
slept_axel : last night it worked11:41
lunitikmembreya: such technical terminology  :)11:42
membreyashudup :P11:42
_axelslept: with ubuntu packages?11:42
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membreyaMyrtti: ubuntu calendar january & october :)11:42
membreyagot dudes11:42
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MyrttiI'll write that down11:43
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lunitik'slept with ubuntu packages'  == bad mental images11:43
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Myrttithe backlog would lose it by the time I get home11:43
omniscientmembreya, is that package new?11:43
membreyaomniscient: ubuntu calendar? considering it has calendars back in october :P11:43
membreyaMyrtti: naw ...worst case, I will send you the .deb :)11:43
omniscientE: Couldn't find package ubuntu-calender11:44
omniscient:(11:44
lunitikomniscient: no... that was the result of that dude bitching that the old wallpapers was unprofessional  :/11:44
lunitiks/was/were11:44
membreyaomniscient: spell is right :P calendar11:44
omniscientah i see :)11:44
slept_axel: yes. did you install nvidia glx, and all that things ? If it doesn't work it's easy to compile things yourself ( in debian it was)11:44
_axelyeah, i compiled them myself11:44
Myrttimembreya: that would be fine too :->11:44
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_axelbut i was wondering if now it'll work with stock ubuntu packages11:45
slept_axel: does it work ?11:45
membreyawhat kernel _axel ?11:45
_axel2.6.10-411:45
Quinn_Stormbtw for anyone who cares I figured it out, the kubuntu team patched kdesu to use sudo...I enabled sudo for my user, tried that...sudo and kdesu "work" but kdesu doesn't work where I needed it to, that is it won't launch kcontrol applets ("administrator mode" button)11:45
lunitik_axel: should be working with that yes11:45
_axelyes it IS working11:45
_axel;)11:45
_axelbut what im asking is, is everything fixed in 2.6.10-5?11:45
Myrtti_axel: worked this morning11:46
membreyathe reserved binaries just don't work in 2.6.11-1 AFAIK11:46
_axeli mean will i be able to apt-get nvidia-bla and forget about it? or will i have to recompile nvidia-kernel-source from sid again11:46
omniscientok so what does this calandar thing do :|11:46
Myrttiomniscient: it's just a new wallpaper each month11:46
membreyaMyrtti: ...show some respect "sexy calendars" ..except oct and jan :|11:46
lunitikQuinn_Storm: you can run the kcmshell parts individually via kdesu to get around that temporarily...11:46
omniscientdo i have to set the wallpaper though? my current one hasnt change11:46
omniscientd11:46
lunitikomniscient: yes11:47
membreyaomniscient: you may need to browse to /usr/share/backgrounds11:47
Quinn_Stormlunitik: what I'll do for now is just run kcontrol as root if I need it11:47
lunitikmembreya: he just needs to right click the desktop and choose "Change Background"11:47
membreyalunitik: mine didn't automatically populate :|11:47
omniscientcool11:47
omniscientnudiness11:47
omniscientnude is always good i guess11:48
lunitikmembreya: it should have11:48
membreyalol11:48
omniscientwhen applied to the right situation11:48
membreyalunitik: i know, it did on my previous install before i fried it :|11:48
MyrttiI actually have one wallpaper that has a nude woman11:48
omniscienti have multiple11:48
Myrttithough my SO started to whine about it11:48
omniscientso?11:48
membreyaMyrtti: ..something you're not telling us ? :P11:48
membreyasignificant other11:48
membreyaomniscient:11:48
omniscientah11:48
Myrtti"why can you keep a nude woman on your wallpaper, but whine about if I have one?" :-P11:48
MyrttiI said mine is art11:48
Myrttiyour is sex11:48
membreyalol11:49
membreyaart...sex...same diff11:49
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Myrttilemme search that pic for you...11:49
lunitikflawd: that was quick11:49
membreyawb flawd :P11:49
membreyawoohoo Myrtti :D11:49
flawdI forgot a q; is there a dvd image of Ubuntu or only cd?11:49
flawdheh11:49
lunitikflawd: yes11:49
membreyaflawd: ...burn it to a dvd? :P11:49
flawdthank you for the wb11:49
lunitikhttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/weekly-dvd/11:50
flawdI'll just stay here while downloading11:50
flawdthanks11:50
lunitikflawd: ^^11:50
flawd(I'll install on the other pc first)11:50
membreyaflawd: you tend to find there's a group of regulars here :)11:50
ompaulmembreya, run this >> more bankmain.asp\?AFFID\=0102511:50
flawdI have a feeling you'll have one more soon11:50
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membreyaompaul: im tired, gimme the exact syntax11:50
flawdhttp://www.jesperjacobsson.com is me11:51
lunitikflawd: will glad to have ya  :)11:51
membreyahmmm what's the diff between the cd and the dvd? :| extra packages? a hell of a lot more11:51
membreyaor just iso size? :P11:51
flawdback to the downloading and reading about ubuntu11:51
flawdbbl11:51
flawdty11:51
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phanterhello there. I installed ubuntu this week and I am impressed. Good distro (and love the part that it is derived from Debian)11:51
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ompaulmembreya, I ran what you showed me last - the wget command line with url and tee and I then typed that more command11:51
membreyaaaah :)11:52
lunitikmembreya: DVD contains all of main... CD contains basically what ubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-base depend on11:52
ompaulmore  bankmain.asp\?AFFID\=0102511:52
membreyadanke ompaul11:52
membreyathanks lunitik :)11:52
phanteranyway, I would like to use xmms, but when I try to play a mp3 with it it just crashes. Anybody knows why it crashes and what to do about it?11:52
ompaulmembreya, your command line is foobarred :)11:52
membreyabite me ompaul :P I'm an ms dude..takes me a while to learn11:52
lunitikphanter: apt-get install xmms-mad11:52
membreyaafter 5 years away from linux, I was surprised I remembered ls11:52
sleptpanther: start it in a terminal, then you can see error messages11:53
phanterlunitik: I already did, but that does not solve it... :(11:53
lunitikphanter: you restarted XMMS since?11:53
spaceymembreya, then i'm suprised i still know "dir"11:53
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lunitikphanter: nvidia drivers by chance?11:53
membreyaspacey: dir works in linux :P11:53
lunitikblight: check out baz ...11:53
spaceymembreya, well i aint using it ;p11:53
phanternope ati drivers11:54
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snaderphanter: when you run from console, does it output anything?11:54
j^why does gnome-dev depend on libdb3-dev and not on libdb4.2-dev?11:54
Myrttimembreya: I think I've shown this picture a million times11:54
phanteryes I did restart it and the console does not give me any error messages :(11:54
lunitikblight: baz (bazaar) is a svn implementation being developed by Canonical/Ubuntu  :)11:54
snaderhm11:54
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membreyamake it 1,000,001 Myrtti :)11:54
MyrttiI have to tell you before I show you the url, that I love red roses.11:55
j^that way its not possible to install gnome-dev and libapr0-dev11:55
Myrttisee http://irssi.org/themes/roses.png11:55
membreyaMyrtti: you have a significant other...you don't need roses :P11:55
Myrttinow, the picture11:55
membreyaaaaargh!11:55
Myrttihttp://www.photoimpactonline.com/photos.htm11:55
Quinn_Stormheh, apparently the repository is still busy syncing, just ran an apt-get update and dist-upgrade and it showed a bunch of updates to kde11:55
membreyamy eyes!11:55
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membreyaMyrtti: ...bella...you're console is all screwed up..the characters aren't even right!11:56
membreyaoh how can your SO complain about that pic :|11:56
Myrttimembreya: that shot was made on XP11:56
FaithfulI am starting out... should I get hoary or warty?11:56
membreyaFaithful: wait until after april 6 (or 8) and get hoary final11:56
Myrttimembreya: I thought about that too11:56
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lunitikblight: ps... its handy to know the tools that are at your disposal... a simply 'apt-cache search svn' would have returned many packages... including 'subversion'11:57
Faithfulmembreya: can't wait... installing now11:57
Myrttimembreya: but is that art, or porn?11:57
Myrttior erotica?11:57
membreyaMyrtti: very much art...and very much cool :)11:57
Myrttiindeed11:57
lunitikblight: but yeah... bazaar is supposedly a lot more sane...11:57
blightlunitik: yeah thanks :-)11:57
Faithfulso hoary is just about there?11:57
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MyrttiIt takes a while to realize she's naked11:57
flawdphanter, have you got the correct sound output module selected?11:57
blightlunitik: I search for svn using synaptic11:57
lunitikFaithful: next month11:57
FaithfulIt will be upgradeable I gather11:57
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queuetueFaithful, I've been running hoary for weekjs, and *zero* complaints.11:58
lunitikFaithful: it already is11:58
blightlunitik: all I got was libsvn :-) doh I see subversion there now11:58
FaithfulIt's still testing / not stable11:58
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phanterthe soundcard is working so I think so...11:58
flawdphanter, if not xmms might crash11:58
lunitikblight: subversion-tools seems useful too... but seriously... check out bazaar11:58
Faithfulnext month it will be stable11:58
flawdphanter, well you still might not11:58
blightlunitik: will do just found out about it11:58
flawdphanter, go into the settings for xmss and change to output sound module11:59
freefallanybody help?My ubuntu hoary has no sound when i play games11:59
flawdif you use alsa select that, if oss select that11:59
flawdetc11:59
lunitikfreefall: sound works otherwise?11:59
lunitikfreefall: is the game using esd?11:59
freefalli am not sure about that11:59
membreyai don't get sound in my games, but I'm using the nvsound module :)11:59
flawdbbl got to do stuff11:59
phanterflawd: oke... which one will I need. I use esd.11:59
flawdphanter, I dont know if there is a xmms-esd deb12:00
Faithfulwhat is the most conveneint way of installing hoary ... Is there a net install disk?12:00
ompaulmembreya, I suggest you look at this >  wget -o log https://www.anz.com/wholesale/bankmain.asp?AFFID=01025 < this outputs a file (a) log and a file which is the last part of the url in this case (b) bankmain.asp?AFFID=01025 you can use the command less bankmain.asp?AFFID=01025 or more bankmain.asp?AFFID=01025  cat bankmain.asp?AFFID=01025 | more {or less} :) and see in case (a) what happened (b) what data you actually sucked12:00
flawdif there is then install that12:00
membreyaouch ompaul12:00
sleptpanther: eSound12:00
flawdbecause esd is most likely blocking the soudcard for xmms12:00
ompaulmembreya, break it up it is lots of little things12:00
flawdso you need to tell xmms to either use esd for output or kill esd when using xmms12:00
flawdheh12:00
ompaulmembreya, it is not hard it just looks it12:00
flawdbbl as said hope this gives you a pointer12:00
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phanterHEY that was the trick, thank you guys !12:01
flawdnp12:01
phanter(m/v?)12:01
flawdglad to be able to help on my first day here12:01
membreyaompaul: ... I understand it ..thankyou :)12:01
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membreyayou'll fit in flawd ..just give a smart ass comment once in a while :P12:02
flawd-afk;)12:02
ompaulmembreya, grand, and a happy paddy's day whats left of it12:02
slepthas anyone tried reiserfs 4 ?12:02
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freefallso what problem may it be?12:02
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Myrttinow now ompaul12:03
Myrttiit's not there to get you12:03
flawd-afkmembreya, I believe "smart ass" should be "smartass" (how about that? lol)12:03
Myrttihave a cookie12:03
membreyaslept: I'm only running 3.6..sorry :(12:03
ompaulthanks Myrtti12:03
lunitikslept: linus says its not stable... so I'm not using it12:03
djpdar, rdiff-backup, partition image or all three? any advice as to a decent back-up solution for a standalone pc running ubuntu highly appreciated...12:03
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MyrttiLinus <312:03
flawd-afkouch. perfect12:03
phanterIs it possible to start some programs (like gaim and skype) together with Gnome (after login)?12:03
njanslept, I've tried reiser412:03
flawd-afkjust doing as you said sir12:03
njanslept, I tried it, it broke, I fixed it, it broke again, wash and repeat, I reformatted with ext3 :)12:04
Myrttinow look you guys, I've tried to get off the keyboard for an hour now12:04
membreyaMyrtti: aren't you breaking it ?12:04
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freefalllunitik: can you tell me what problem it may be12:04
lunitikphanter: yes... start them and log out with 'save current session' or use the session tool...12:04
Myrttinope12:04
membreyanjan: ..why not just use reiserfs 3.6?12:04
Faithfulso I gather hoary is in the last stages of dev before release?12:04
MyrttiFaithful: yes12:04
lunitikfreefall: the game probably isn't using ESD like I said./12:04
lunitikFaithful: yes12:04
Faithfulmembreya: njan reiserfs ick12:04
ompaulreiser fs a little over a year ago lost me 10 gigs of newly restored data - so I had to build the box from scratch and have stayed away from it since12:04
freefalllunitik:so just disable esd?12:05
lunitikompaul: that'll do it12:05
njanmembreya, after reiserfs4 broke that many times I didn't want to any more..12:05
Faithfulompaul: yup12:05
ompaullunitik, it did12:05
lunitikfreefall: that would work... but is easier said than done.. (esd respawns cuz it hates you)12:05
membreyawhat's your beef with reiser Faithful ?12:05
phanterlunitik: what is the sessiontool (cannot find it with google)?12:05
_axelgnome-session-properties12:06
sleptI came from debian yesterday and I was kind of surpriesed of all that nu stuff reiser4 gnome2.10 ...12:06
Faithfulmembreya:  It's like driving a Ferari without using sythetic oil12:06
Myrttiwell, on the other hand, it was snowing really heavily a moment ago, so I could say I was waiting for a better weather12:06
freefalllunitik:any tips or some internet urls?12:06
lunitikphanter: Computer > Preferences > Sessions12:06
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lunitikphanter: or System > Preferences > Session12:06
lunitikphanter: but I'm gonna guess you're using warty..12:06
membreyafrom what I read Faithful ...it's good for how I use it (40gb of music vids) :P12:07
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membreyai understand it's not so good on small files12:07
phanterlunitik: I am using Hoary hedgehog12:07
jsgotangcowell that hoary update seemed to fix xorg12:07
jsgotangcothe first update killed x12:07
lunitikphanter: ok... then the system line12:07
lunitikphanter: or System > Preferences > Session12:07
phanterI found it (man I should learn how to read :>)12:07
jsgotangcois anyone here using ratpoison?12:08
lunitikjsgotangco: hahahhahahahahhaha12:08
lunitikhell no12:08
jsgotangcoerrr12:08
membreyaposter on the mailing list I see jsgotangco :)12:08
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jsgotangcoyes12:08
lunitikratpoison is perhaps the most outdated wm I have ever seen12:09
phanterjsgotangco: had the same problem but a dpkg-reconfigure did the trick to fix it12:09
jsgotangcolunitik: it works..i use it in my slack box12:09
membreyai don't understand people's need to change wm's :|12:09
jsgotangcowell..12:09
jsgotangcoi like gnome 2.10 though12:09
lunitikmembreya: other than metacity sucks?12:09
jsgotangcoi just want ratpoison running as well12:09
membreyai hate the fact that gnome 2.10 doesn't let you edit menu items easily12:10
Er_eRhowdi happy unbuntu guru's..... i'm an amateur to the world of linux and need some basic advice.............12:10
jsgotangcotrue12:10
membreyajust ask Er_eR :)12:10
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lunitikmembreya: I mean, it does its job I guess... but not the worlds most featureful wm...12:10
membreyalunitik: but then you have the metacars..and the metapeople....ooo i can't wait till they discover metaspacetravel12:10
jsgotangcolol12:10
lunitikmembreya: umm.... metacity is the name of gnome's wm...12:11
membreya</end sarcasm>12:11
membreyai know lunitik :)12:11
jsgotangcowell i'm going home first its like 7pm already ill catch you guys later12:11
membreyaI was being facetious12:11
Quinn_Stormso....that's the end end sarcasm tag?12:11
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Er_eRi've got the latest version on cd and cant even install it... i have an IBM and dont know how to get it to boot from cd...12:11
jsgotangcoits good to have xorg running again *grin*12:11
Er_eRpathetic i know...12:11
usernameI've just installed k3b but it doesn't show up.12:11
membreyacheck your bios Er_eR12:11
Er_eRlooked through it...12:12
Er_eRno option to boot from cd...12:12
Quinn_Stormmembreya: so....that's the end end sarcasm tag?12:12
Er_eRits crazy12:12
membreyausername: tried doing it from the terminal?12:12
Er_eRcan i use xp DOS12:12
usernamemembreya, no12:12
Er_eR???12:12
membreyaQuinn_Storm: nope..just the close sarcasm tag12:12
Quinn_Stormmembreya: that would be </sarcasm>12:12
FaithfulIsn't 18 months security support on a given release a little short?12:12
SavEr_eR, you sure your CDrom is corectly installed?12:12
Quinn_Stormmembreya: </end sarcasm> is close end sarcasm12:12
Er_eRya!12:13
membreyaQuinn_Storm: ...my bad..haven't coded html in about 7 years :P12:13
membreyaI'm rusty12:13
SavEr_eR, no you cant use XP Dos12:13
membreyaEr_eR: how did you install XP ? from bootdisk ?12:13
lunitikEr_eR: I find it hard to believe you have XP on a machine that can't boot from CD...12:13
Er_eRis it possiblwe to run windows and linux one the one system?>12:13
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Myrttiyes12:13
lunitikEr_eR: yes12:13
usernameQuinn_Storm, that would be the end of an element called 'end', with a non-valid extra bit of text wedged in there that reads 'sarcasm'.12:13
membreyaEr_eR: yes indeed..just make sure you partition enough space12:14
membreyaomg username ..scary :P12:14
Quinn_Stormusername: yeah...which makes no sense12:14
deFrysk12:14
membreyaleave me alone you guys :P12:14
lunitikdeFrysk: clever12:14
membreya12:14
Er_eRlike 30 gig ... but how do i select the OS of choice when i switch on?12:14
lunitikmembreya: html is easy ... even you could understand it  :P12:15
usernameand it can't be an attribute, because all attributes must have values, and those values must be quoted, and anyway, there wouldn't be an attribute or value in the closing tag of an element.12:15
membreyaEr_eR: grub..the bootloader will install and it gives you the option of os's12:15
membreyalunitik: ...harsh12:15
mlhjdub, is it bendy or breezy!?12:15
lunitikmembreya: and I was being sarcastic about that being clever12:15
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ompaulEr_eR, do you know anyone who uses Linux?12:15
lunitikmembreya: haha... kidding  :P12:15
Myrttihtml is easy12:15
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lunitikMyrtti: I just said that...12:15
MyrttiI taught it to ten years old kids last year12:15
mlh(says bendy on UbuntuDownUnder page)12:16
Er_eRno... all windows corporatised freaks12:16
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Myrtti*valid* XHTML12:16
Myrttieven12:16
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Burgundaviamlh: wiki is outdated12:16
Er_eRis it possible to run one OS within the other?12:16
BurgundaviaEr_eR: yes12:16
BurgundaviaEr_eR: there are several methods12:16
membreyaEr_eR: yes, vmware or something similar12:16
Er_eRare these options built within ubuntu?>12:17
lunitikEr_eR: no12:17
garrutdoes anyone else have problems with vmware crashing in hoary?12:17
usernameokay, I've just typed k3b from the terminal. Several oceans of warnings streamed by, then it started. Then it said I have to use k3b setup (which is normal for the first time), but it won't accept my password.12:17
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lunitikusername: why are you using k3b?12:17
Er_eRis ubuntu a better from of linux....?12:17
Er_eRform12:17
selinium_munki && lunitik: Still no joy, I think it may have something to do with me tinkering last night actually. with the XF86Config-4 file. how do i re-install the x free stuff?12:18
lunitikEr_eR: stupid question12:18
usernamelunitik, I'm burning a dvd of stuff12:18
Er_eRso yes???12:18
membreyaEr_eR: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SmartBootManagerHowto12:18
usernamelunitik, that's what it does. It burns cds and dvds12:18
lunitikusername: gnome's tools can't do it?12:18
usernamelunitik, I've no idea12:18
lunitikusername: just drag them to the window that pops up...12:18
Er_eRis it the best??12:18
lunitikEr_eR: stupid question again12:19
usernamelunitik, a window hasn't popped up12:19
Er_eRam i on or off track....?12:19
Myrttik3b is a KDE based applilcation, and thus it can't be expected to work perfectly on Gnome.12:19
selinium_Er_eR: You are going to get a yes from this forum aren't you!12:19
membreyalunitik: ..no such thing as a stupid question, only stupid comments by me12:19
Er_eRi'm so himbo to this world....12:19
Myrttieven more so if KDE isn't fully installed12:19
membreyaselinium_: this is a forum?12:19
usernameso k3b won't ever show up in the menus?12:20
membreyaMyrtti: ..I've run k3b..with a crap load of errors..but it worked :P12:20
lunitikmembreya: "is Ubuntu the best Linux" being asked in #ubuntu isn't a stupid question?  ;)12:20
Er_eRif biest permits...12:20
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membreyaok lunitik ....time for me to get nasty12:20
marcin_anthi all12:20
Er_eRbias12:20
lunitikusername: log out and back in... if its not there... then no...12:20
marcin_antis any Skype user here?12:21
usernamelunitik, ok12:21
membreya"lunitik's mum to lunitik's dad: shouldn't you wear a condom" ..now THAT was a stupid question12:21
lunitikusername: although I thought they were using the same backend for menu's in gnome and kde12:21
membreyaand one she should have followed her gut feeling on :P12:21
ompaulEr_eR, well none of us here would be biased towards ubuntu  :)12:21
Er_eRthanks for the point mem...12:21
selinium_Er_eR: if you want an objective view try #linux but we think Ubuntu is the best!12:21
selinium_marcin_ant: yep12:21
ompaulmarcin_ant, I use it12:21
marcin_antI followed instructions on ubuntuguide and installed from package on skype.com but it doesn't work12:22
lunitikmembreya: haha... damn dude... wouldn't be the worst advice ever though...12:22
marcin_antno sound12:22
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marcin_antdoesn't connect12:22
marcin_antselinium_: and it is fully usable on your desktop?12:22
diegohello... someone knows where can i get drivers for my hp deskjet printer? or my creative webcam12:22
sleptI'm not sure of ubuntu being the the best it still has to prove it's powers to me, but for now I Really like it12:23
sleptdiego cups is great for hd12:23
selinium_diego: google.com/linux12:23
sleptsorry hp12:23
diegothnks12:23
Myrttiawwww I love tux12:23
Myrttisuch a cute animal12:23
lunitikdiego: as for webcam... just plug it in...12:24
diegobut it doesn't work12:24
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selinium_marcin_ant: It works fine for me?12:24
lunitikdiego: gah... then fire up gthumb and 'file > import photos' ... shouldn't need to load any drivers12:24
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zookoGreetings, people of #ubuntu!12:25
selinium_marcin_ant: Try to reinstall it through synaptic12:25
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zookoI upgraded my hoary system and alsa broke.  Now things that attempt alsa hang.12:25
zookoBut some other kind of sound -- the one that the desktop uses to make beautiful boops and wheeps -- still works.12:25
lunitikzooko: /etc/init.d/alsa restart12:25
selinium_lunitik: can you tell me what package i need to re install to get the X thingy working again?12:26
diegook thks bte12:26
Er_eRgrub... is this on the ubuntu cd...?12:26
zookolunitik: thanks for the suggestion -- I'll try that.12:26
lunitikselinium_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg12:26
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lunitikEr_eR: yes12:26
membreyahmmm apart from ipchains..what's a recommended firewall? :P12:26
zookoI have another problem that has been around since i went from warty to hoary -- my mouse cursor crawls around the screen even when I'm not moving the mouse.12:26
lunitikEr_eR: stop asking silly questions12:27
marcin_antompaul, selinium_ : you use gnome or kde?12:27
Er_eRcool... thanks12:27
membreyaplay nice lunitik12:27
selinium_marcin_ant: gnome12:27
StoffBox-SteveHoary preview is released! <<< Final out? :D12:27
zookoafter alsa restart it still hangs.12:27
Er_eRunderstand... i'm lookin' in from the outside...12:27
marcin_antselinium_: hoary?12:27
selinium_marcin_ant: indeed12:27
lunitikEr_eR: no excuse for not reading docs...12:28
Er_eRits another language...12:28
zookostrace says it hangs after12:28
zookoioctl(3, 0x40045532, 0xbfffef64)        = 012:29
zookoopen("/dev/snd/pcmC0D0p", O_RDWR12:29
selinium_Er_eR: what language?12:29
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lunitikselinium_: I think he's being figurative12:29
=== zooko studies the list of sound kernel modules.
Er_eRunsure..12:29
zookoHm.  I remember warty had this problem with discover loading the wrong kernel module for my cmipci sound card...12:29
membreyawow lunitik ..a word with more than one syllable... I'm so proud :P12:29
=== zooko googles for that.
selinium_lunitik: Hmm... how to make yourself look dumb in one easy move! Doh!12:30
lunitikmembreya: 4 of em even  8-)12:30
lunitikselinium_: heh... its cool... its hard to notice such things through text  :P12:31
membreyaselinium_: ..don't lower yourself to lunitik's level, he'll win every time :P12:31
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sleptI can't drag and drop files from samba shares into the xmms playlist, for other files it works great. Any idea ?12:31
selinium_lunitik: So you use the dpkg rather than apt-get. I assume that is because the discussion had earlier with munki?12:31
lunitikslept: XMMS doesn't support dnd12:31
lunitikselinium_: for local files... umm, yeah12:31
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cocolhi12:32
SlackShrikehi12:32
cocolhow i make a root passwd?12:32
sleptluntik: I use dit for more than a year that way - so what happend the last night ?12:32
selinium_lunitik: Thanks for your help. back in a mo on ubuntu hopefully!12:32
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membreyacocol: sudo passwd root12:32
lunitikcocol: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo12:32
cocolok many thanks12:32
membreyastop saying RTFM lunitik12:33
membreyaMyrtti talked to us about that :P12:33
lunitikmembreya: do not state how to make a root password... its not a supported thing...12:33
lunitikmembreya: point them at the wiki, or don't say anything.12:33
=== membreya holds out his arm to lunitik ...bite me :P
Myrttimembreya: giving a good url is different12:33
=== lunitik chews membreya's arm off
Myrttijust saying use the google or rtfm or man sudo isn't nice12:34
membreyawouldn't it be "man passwd" ?12:34
=== selinium_ chuckles as he leaves.
Myrttimembreya: what ever12:34
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membreyai wonder when the equal opportunity freaks are going to come in and demand that "man" be renamed to "person" :|12:35
lunitikmembreya: pretty sure most realize 'man' is short for 'manual'... and we have it covered anyways... 'info'12:35
optikahi all, I've just attempted a warty -> hoary upgrade (using the preview CD as the only source), and "apt-get dist-upgrade" died after a while with "Input/Output" errors. I'm using XFS, and xfs_check says that the filesystem is still OK. Any suggestions?12:35
sleptis anyone using an ubuntu samba client ?12:35
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lunitikoptika: never seen that... sorry12:36
usernamenope. looks like k3b doesn't show up in menus.12:36
Seveasslept, I use smbfs12:36
Fackamatonn12:36
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cocoltake it cool guys12:36
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sleptseveas : does it work can you play audio files ?12:37
membreyaoptika: crc errors on the cd?12:37
Seveasslept, yes12:38
usernamek3b setup is still rejecting my (correct) password. How can this be?12:38
membreyalunitik: ..again I was being facetious12:38
optikamembreya: the CD checks out fine with the "verify CD" option when I boot from it. Lemme check the md5sum quickly...12:38
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Seveasslept, when I use smbmout it works like a charm12:38
Burgundaviausername: which password are you entering?12:38
usernameBurgundavia, my root password12:38
testI've checked faq and website, but can't see this.  I installed ubuntu and it didn't ask for a root password.  when I booted up I didn't know the password.  so I booted in single mode, set new password, now loaded up fine.  However...12:39
Seveasusername, use your own password12:39
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Burgundaviausername: is uses sudo, so use yours12:39
Burgundavias/is/it12:39
usernameSeveas, same password12:39
Seveasusername, ok12:39
Seveasusername, do you use su or sudo?12:39
testwhen I use the updater program icon thingy on my gnome desktop, the password I enter for root it doesn't accept.12:39
usernameSeveas, neither12:39
lunitiktest: type your user passwd12:39
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Seveastest, you need your own password for that12:39
Seveastest, in Ubuntu everything is sudo12:40
Seveasyou do not need a root account12:40
testthat sounds really insecure...12:40
Seveastest, no12:40
usernameI think I do need a root account - k3bsetup is asking me for the root account's password12:40
Seveasit's as secure as having a root account12:40
Seveasusername, run k3bsetup via sudo12:41
usernameSeveas, ok12:41
testI don't understand this :)12:41
Lightboysee im having a similar problem12:41
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