[12:05] A subset is going to go on a small box (probably ARM or MIPSel) and I'm prodding them along towards free Java. [12:07] ok sent to the list [12:07] someone check it ot [12:07] mdz: you want the bitchy message gone, or just the exit? :-) [12:07] lamont: any reason not to use killall -clean? [12:08] lamont: both [12:08] medwards_: it really just needs to write a @#$@ pid file [12:08] night everybody [12:08] medwards_: I don't see a -clean... [12:08] but failing that, it shouldn't break [12:09] night pitti [12:09] lamont: the killall would probably do a better job of avoiding race conditions when it's spawning rapidly. [12:09] -clean is -TERM, 5 seconds, -KILL iirc [12:09] make them smaller anyway === mdke [~matt@mdke.user] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === lamont switches the ps aux| grep into pidof, removes the post-kill-9 check [12:10] I think killall contains logic to kill parents before children [12:10] (in the -KILL scenario) [12:11] if it doesn't, it probably should. [12:11] when one is resorting to -9, there's not much point in letting parents wait for children. [12:14] lamont: pidfile and decent handling of children on -TERM would be a good thing, all right. [12:17] lamont: but see http://bugs.debian.org/298040 for handling of chroot installs [12:17] well, upgrade to the new version didn't die... [12:18] mdz: thoughts? do we mind waiting until breezy to fix 298040? [12:18] The postinst kill code should probably also be made conditional on /etc/default/cupsys. === lamont struggles to find it RC, fails [12:18] lamont: 298040 is closed upstream [12:18] it should really just use a *&))^_& pidfile [12:19] medwards_: in -7, hoary is derrived from -1 [12:19] lamont: but the code in the postinst probably reintroduces it if it isn't conditional on FORCE_RESTART. [12:19] lamont: oh. I see. [12:19] start-stop-daemon is your friend. :-) [12:20] lamont: is it too much to ask for proper preinst/postinst handling of the daemon, like every other package? [12:20] at the very least it can kill reliably based on the inode [12:20] inode? [12:20] yeah, I use start-stop-daemon in postrm and if I really need it dead I killall in postinst [12:21] lamont: inode of binary [12:21] lamont: none of this path BS [12:21] mdz: it's a question of how invasive a change you want in the postinst... [12:22] killall in preinst, that is. [12:22] given how familiar I am with it (not very), I'm disinclined to change it now for hoary, other than to make it not fail... [12:22] lamont: inode of the server process, i.e. it doesn't inadvertently kill ~me/foo/bin/thing instead of /usr/sbin/thing === lamont wonders what pidof does === wasabi_ [~wasabi@207.55.180.100] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:22] smurfix: and handles jailed processes correctly, too [12:23] oh here i was talking to myself [12:23] somebody said ant! [12:23] oh not to mention somebody said my actual name too [12:23] pidof uses the inode. cooll === Arrogance [~aks@CPE0050ba556e4b-CM001225423850.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:24] lamont: does it attempt to order by parentage? [12:25] not that I see in 20 seconds of bouncing around in the code, nol. === lamont uploads [12:25] this should fix both issues (using pidof, and not checking) [12:27] lamont: for hoary, the most important thing is that it not break upgrades [12:28] lamont: if in some oddball circumstances the user needs to reboot because cupsys is horked, so be it [12:28] mdz: ok. [12:28] -1ubuntu11 should fix that.. [12:28] hrmpf. should have put the bug # in the changelog. :-( [12:29] lamont: how does this fix get submitted to debian? === xerox [~paolo@adsl-218-162.37-151.net24.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:29] by me updating the bug in debian... [12:29] unless you want the pleasure... [12:30] of course, step 1 is to verify that the bug still exists in sid, etc. [12:30] I looked for a corresponding bug#, but it probably hadn't been reopened. [12:30] and, whether to blow up the upgrade or not may or may not be a maintainer decision in debian... [12:30] Hi. I need to install a more recent version of SBCL than ubuntu's default one. I tryed with checkinstall but I didn't succeded. Debian unstable has a more recent .deb, how can I grab it? Would it be a good thing to do? [12:31] right, but using pidof and sleeping between -KILL and testing again will probably help. [12:31] yes [12:31] you want the pleasure? [12:31] or shall I put it on my list? [12:31] will do. [12:32] xerox: your first question would be more appropriate in #ubuntu, and the second question is answered in the FAQ === mvo -> sleep [12:32] good night mvo [12:32] mdz: #ubuntu told me to try #ubuntu-devel :) I'll try with the faq.. [12:32] xerox: if there is a bug in the version in Hoary that ought to be fixed, tell #ubuntu-motu [12:33] night all === ohgood [~oclv@pcp02380990pcs.mrdian01.ms.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:33] mdz: the real problem is that sbcl version is rather old, and it has some bad bugs. [12:33] xerox: yeah... join #ubuntu-motu [12:33] Reasking the same thing would be okay there? [12:33] yes [12:33] yep [12:34] ogra_dogwalk: walking your dog while you're on IRC? [12:34] *g* just came in again :) [12:35] oh, wonderful, I can't login to ubuntulinux.org anymore [12:35] I wonder if that means ubuntu.com works now [12:36] lamont: want me to look at 4987, or is there something else I can do to help (and buy a little goodwill WRT LiveCD coaching)? :) [12:36] mdz, does it tell you soure actually logged in ? [12:36] hrm, thully can even be a pain when he closes bugs... [12:36] argh [12:36] nope [12:36] jdub, we have him in -motu quite often recently [12:36] Sign-in failure [12:36] You are not currently logged in. Your user name and/or password may be incorrect. [12:36] mdz: oh man :| [12:37] jdub: has someone made changes in the past few hours? [12:37] mdz, http://www.grawert.net/wiki_error.png [12:37] ogra: no, that's the old ubuntu.com/ubuntulinux.org error [12:37] this is different; it doesn't even accept my login/password [12:37] medwards_: 4987 just needs a sync... /me composes mail [12:37] mdz: not that i know of [12:37] i always log in through https and ubuntulinux.org, never used ubuntu.com === bradb [~bradb@modemcable022.154-81-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === niran [~niran@lucianus.Stanford.EDU] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ohgood [~oclv@pcp02380990pcs.mrdian01.ms.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [12:39] ogra: everyone does, because ubuntu.com doesn't work [12:39] it never has [12:39] ah, ok [12:39] but now ubuntulinux.org is borked too [12:39] yep [12:39] if you're logged in, don't log out ;-) [12:39] lol [12:39] "the ssh method" === tritium [~rimbert@12-202-90-180.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thoreauputic_ [~debianarc@wolax9-092.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdz thinks better of keeping his notes in the wiki === ogra thinks he should update the HardwareDatabase page soon [12:42] Didn't that login problem happen a few weeks ago already? [12:42] smurfix, months ago already [12:42] did anyonce perceive a slight out-of-sync-ness of the archive? [12:42] like: i have Version: 0.12.2-1 [12:42] and http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/l/linphone/0.12.2-2ubuntu1/ claims they all were successful [12:43] xerox states something quite similar about sbcl [12:43] and i'm not talking about the usual interval === lamont sees liblinphonegnome0_0.12.2-2ubuntu1_i386.deb [12:45] but not for ppc or amd64 [12:45] dholbach, fyi Package: linphone, Version: 0.12.2-2ubuntu1 [12:45] seems ok here [12:45] on an amd64 [12:45] daniel@bert:~/blue$ apt-cache show linphone | grep Version [12:45] Version: 0.12.2-1 [12:45] daniel@bert:~/blue$ [12:45] dholbach, i am on amd64 [12:46] claimes they became installed about 2 hours ago [12:46] xerox talks about Version: 1:0.8.17.4-1 of sbcl, where 0.8.18-1 should be recent [12:46] argh, sorry, showsrc instead of show [12:47] dholbach, youre right [12:48] (I also note that 0.8.20 is stable now) === lunitik [~trey@ip68-230-75-109.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:53] Any chance of getting http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/ incorporated into Ubuntu site officially? its quite useful :) === Burgundavia [~Burgundav@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marcin_ant [~marcin@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bradb [~bradb@modemcable022.154-81-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:00] Note on previous message... not mine... guy has a link to contact him where you could ask permission... it really would be nice though... I still go to p.d.o to see whats in the archive when I'm not at my machine for instance, but its rather inacurate :( === mpt_switzerland [~mpt@185.16.202.62.fix.bluewin.ch] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jon1012 [~jon@AMontsouris-151-1-14-81.w82-123.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [01:12] Gagh. [01:13] Ok, I've found how how Windows does suspend-to-disk when battery is low in suspend-to-ram [01:13] mjg59: OOoo.. Howhowhow? [01:13] Frequently wakeups? [01:13] It sets a wakeup time [01:13] mdz: take it no kubuntu? [01:13] I don't know how it calculates the wakeup time [01:14] So yeah, possibly it wakes up every 24 hours or so and checks the battery stats [01:14] mjg59: Could be every 30 minutes, check battery level? [01:14] Yeah [01:14] Hmm, would 24 hours be often enough? [01:15] Quite possibly not. [01:16] sounds like a statistical solution would be a possible approach :-) [01:17] thom: kubuntu is good to go as far as I'm concerned [01:18] amu: have you addressed boost like we discussed? [01:20] lamont: can you explain the relationship between initrd.list and initrd.gz? === lamont guesses that .list would be a list of what's installed in .gz [01:22] tseng, he might be asleep, its 1:20am here [01:22] Riddell: you have cds and torrents and stuff? [01:22] well im guessing he'll see the message eventually. [01:22] Riddell: (I only care about the torrents, tbh) [01:23] Does that get rebuilt when making a new livecd? And if so, using what tool? [01:23] thom: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20050317.1/ [01:23] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/20050317.1/ [01:23] medwards_: initrd.list and initrd.gz come from the installer builds === thom just boggles at https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7552#c7 [01:24] mdz: the installer also builds the livecd initrd? [01:25] medwards_: the installer and the live CD use identical initrds [01:25] thom: we're making that determination on #kubuntu-devel [01:25] medwards_: in fact, I think if you had a 1GB CD, and included casper and the livecd cloop on it, you'd have an install/live cd [01:25] mdz: is true? [01:26] thom: gtk boog? [01:26] lamont: the extra magic would be to add a boot parameter to switch casper on [01:26] right [01:26] in fact the DVD image is exactly that === lamont wonders if casper now defaults to the right image. [01:26] thom: nice :-) [01:27] mdz: okey === lamont notes that snapshot.debian.net is, um, slow. even by my standards [01:27] mdz: gtk2-engines-industrial uploaded [01:27] thom: can you still see straight? ;-) [01:27] seb128: wonderful, thanks [01:27] you're welcome [01:28] mdz: heh, yeah :-) [01:28] the pub was so rammed that getting to the bar was the limiting factor ;-) [01:28] mdz: oh, ive run a quick test of the weekly dvd on qemu btw [01:28] nothing exploded [01:28] bar bottleneck [01:28] thom: or the use of avi as a gdb stub? :) [01:28] tseng: wow, that must have taken a long time [01:28] medwards_: the use of avi :-) [01:28] hah yeah. [01:29] mdz: the centre point of the local irish community, on st patricks day. messy :-) [01:29] thom: let the kubuntu torrents fly [01:29] Kamion: are you around to do publishing magic? [01:30] thom: do you need for me to make the metafiles on little? [01:30] is there going to be a gtk1 clearlooks engine? [01:31] mdz: i can do it on orcadas, not a problem; are we just going with the daily Riddell posted, or republishing as a release? [01:31] thom: I think I can decipher Kamion's scripts well enough to publish it as a release [01:31] ok; if you want to do that magic i'll wait for a bit [01:31] mdz: (is this kubuntu build going to be announced more widely?) [01:32] jdub: this is the kubuntu preview :-) [01:32] excellent === jdub puts on his pimp boots [01:32] jdub: it is, you should check out a live CD [01:33] mdz: so if I want to try a unionfs livecd, I need to hack on ubuntu-installer (presumably the input to initrd.list as well as linuxrc)? [01:34] I have to say... for a KDE dist... Kubuntu is really sweet. [01:34] jdub: I've uploaded a fixed gtk2-engines-industrial [01:34] seb128: ta [01:34] jdub: bah, the effet on the desktop is not weird dude :p [01:34] that's the same behaviour as all the other windows [01:35] seb128: it totally is. bigarse 1px flashy shit on the left. [01:35] it looks very pronounced on the desktop [01:35] so many people have mentioned it [01:35] even some french people [01:35] ;-) [01:35] oh right [01:36] in fact it doesn't with my background [01:36] hmm .. how do I draw "smiley with beret" again? [01:36] but it does with the calendar one :p [01:36] seb128: ah, yeah, that makes a big difference ;) === ogra looks at this disconcerting snake leather boots at jdubs feet [01:36] ogra: tested kubuntu yet? [01:36] ogra: dude. *dragon* leather boots. [01:36] thom: so should I make-torrents or no? last time there was some confusion with the torrents being present in one place and not in another [01:36] LOL [01:36] ogra: this is kde pimping! [01:36] LOOOL [01:37] mdz: if you're doing the release, do torrents to [01:37] jdub: the KDE dragon is a bastard child of Disney's Figment, neh? [01:37] Riddell, not the newest, nope [01:37] (if you've been to EPCOT) [01:37] it is not my place to comment on the kde mascot's parentage or lack thereof [01:38] Riddell, i'll start the download before going to bed, test them tomorrow [01:38] hmm, so is the latest array 7 (?) livecd all working well? [01:38] thom: ok [01:39] cc: yes, it's pretty solid [01:39] ogra: if you're leaving it on overnight, wait for a torrent ;-) [01:39] mdz: so the X issues are fixed. thanks. i shall resync now [01:39] cc: dunno yet, my torrent has said 3 hours to go for the last 3 hours. :-( [01:40] mdz, k [01:40] would be nice if torrents were distinguishable from one another on the tracker. [01:40] medwards_: isn't it easier to get it from cdimage itself, rather than a torrent? [01:41] e. g. hoary-array-7-live-i386.iso [01:41] medwards_: yes [01:41] cc: 8 KB/s [01:41] there are many, many ways that the tracker could be improved [01:42] medwards_: you mean like this? http://cdimage.debian.org:6969/ [01:42] medwards_: well, "./hoary-install-i386.iso.torrent": "seeding" (100.0%) - 5P3s0.165D u358.7K/s-d0.0K/s u1097012K-d598874K "" [01:42] thom: torrent is currently 28 kb/s (vs. 8 for cdimage.ubuntu) [01:43] where is the current kbuntu torrent [01:43] ? [01:43] Burgundavia: not in place yet [01:43] hmm [01:44] maswan: similar tracker, yes, but ubuntu livecds aren't named uniquely (which hoary-livecd-i386.iso.torrent is array-7?) [01:44] medwards_: ah === morty_ [~chatzilla@user-6064.l3.c3.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:46] medwards_: rumour has it that one of konqi's footprints started it's own desktop environment [01:47] medwards_: well, that's kind of hard to solve in the tracker then. [01:47] So let me get this straight. cloop is writable, and the livecd uses device-mapper to route written blocks to a ramdisk overlay? === Keybuk [~scott@descent.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:48] maswan: you could probably get more useful metadata into the .torrent [01:48] Riddell: several desktop environments could live happily in one of konqi's (memory) footprints. :) [01:48] Keybuk: you really are on .au time, eh? [01:48] pretty much :-/ [01:48] thom: Well, you do have a text comment field [01:49] Keybuk: western australian time ;) [01:49] maswan: (and you'd have to display that somehow in the tracker, but yeah) [01:49] thom: these days I timestamp the weekly debian iso torrents with the date -u of when they are made. [01:50] actually, I don't think I'm in any real timezone since I think it's Thursday [01:50] heh [01:50] If unionfs worked (I can still trigger oopses with the Knoppix 3.8 version), it seems to me that it would be preferable; [01:51] stack jff2 on squashfs, for instance. [01:51] s/jff2/jffs2 === Keybuk prods bzr; it's not just me who's in a strange timezone -- it seems to think I'm in +0100 [01:52] when ubuntu goes selinux, jffs2 might be a bottleneck [01:53] hey only about an hour to unix time 1111111111 [01:53] jffs3 is being developed and I hear that xattr is on the gameplan [01:53] the status is: 1111107212 [01:53] jdub: are we there yet? [01:53] root 21673 109 6.3 38428 32808 pts/0 R+ 00:53 0:04 | \_ /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start -DSSL [01:53] nearly [01:54] 109%... neat [01:54] cc: I'm thinking in terms of server uses; one could afford to use a fresh chroot every sbuild run if it were just several overlaid package sets with a ramdisk on top. [01:55] hmpf. elmo's apache is neater than mine. [01:55] god damn I wish apache had some serious competition in the httpd market [01:56] jffs2 comes in when I want to persist, say, a client's data (including apt-getted packages) on a USB stick but get most of my bits off the livecd. [01:56] inetd + echo&cat? :) [01:56] elmo: tomcat? [01:57] don't think there's a mod_php, though. [01:57] ehm. tomcat? isn't that an apache webservice thingie? [01:58] maswan: java servlet container [01:58] tomcat isn't a realistic alternative in terms of a multifunction httpd [01:58] medwards_: well, yeah, webservices is where I've been in contact with it. [01:58] maswan: sucks less than you would think for static content [01:59] elmo: twisted. :-) [01:59] elmo: hey would you mind syncing gtkpod 0.88? [02:00] HrdwrBoB: of course not -- when I have to deal with tomcat, I front-end it with apache+mod_jk{2,} [02:00] tseng: done [02:00] elmo: you rock! [02:00] tseng, dont forget gnupod, and all the other pods ;) [02:00] heh. [02:00] jetty isn't awful but is still java; apache is the only thing i'd trust for serving large data [02:01] tseng, thanks for the thully work btw [02:01] ogra: yeah np [02:01] heh, thully work ;) [02:01] tseng: you poor guy [02:01] thom: agreed, although jetty is even more of a pain to build than jakarta stuff. [02:01] medwards_: yeah [02:01] thom: better then HostingGeek at least [02:01] tseng: maybe [02:02] thom: "ASF member announces: 'Apache only httpd I would trust'." [02:02] news @ 12 [02:02] jdub: in other news, Ubuntu developers running Ubuntu on critical systems [02:02] elmo: depending on how you define "competition", IIS :-/ === maswan huggles AIX for ftp.gnome.org. :P [02:03] medwards_: IIS on win2k3 server is in some ways superior [02:03] IIS is great, barring the fact that having a web server in ring 0 is UTTER CRACK [02:03] well, or ftp.se.d.o or ftp.acc.umu.se. :) [02:03] mdz: hoary has been running admirably on my critical systems, btw. [02:03] jdub: I run Warty on my servers [02:03] and Hoary on my development systems [02:03] it's an embarrassment that IIS can run 500 websites all with their own users and apache can't [02:04] mdz: now if ubuntu ran on sparc, debian would have an infrastructure plan ... :-/ === maswan needs to get time and a new install server to go hoary all over work [02:04] HrdwrBoB: it's irritating === jdub wants to make sure hoary server stuff doesn't suck :) [02:04] medwards_: sparc.ubuntu.com [02:04] like warty's dovecot. [02:04] HrdwrBoB: since perchild/metux has the potential to really kick ass [02:04] thom: yeah it looks great [02:04] jdub: i use warty dovecot [02:05] whats the deal with that? [02:05] but perchild is dead and the metux guys have no inclination to get their stuff upstream [02:05] HrdwrBoB: that's actually the sort of thing I would look to apache2+mod_jk2+tomcat5 for. [02:05] tseng: hurts on lots of users, hurts on huge folders [02:05] ah. [02:05] medwards_: why? it should be way lower level than application server [02:06] medwards_: all the file access should run as the user for that website [02:06] mdz: sparc64 strategy? biarch? [02:06] so the permissions can be sane [02:06] medwards_: 64bit kernel, 32bit userland [02:06] medwards_: following the same road as Debian so far; I don't think fabbione has given it much thought yet === mdke [~matt@mdke.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:07] HrdwrBoB: yeah, it'll be nice when it happens [02:07] I worked around this partially by using suexec and making php work by php calling php cgi [02:07] but you lose the mod_php features [02:07] "features" [02:07] and you still don't access the files the right way [02:07] nod [02:08] *cough* website [02:09] oh, and I had to add a post upload script that made php files executable [02:09] daniels: Stock Hoary preview install, and I have no working dri on an i915 [02:09] It says that it's initializing the SW cursor, which is probably a bad sign [02:09] HrdwrBoB: bleah [02:09] mdke: hrm? [02:10] thom, something is up with the website. we can't log in === ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-169-124.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thierry [~t@modemcable237.142-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:11] HrdwrBoB: tomcat is not jboss. :-) === thierry [~t@modemcable237.142-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:11] daniels: Argh, cock. It's because it hasn't picked enough video RAM for DRI [02:13] fontconfig/libfcontconfig1 postinst b0rkage is known? [02:13] libfontconfig1 depends on fontconfig; however: [02:13] Package fontconfig is not configured yet. [02:13] maybe someone has hacked our website [02:14] never attribute to malice... === usual [~colin@cpe-24-194-197-159.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:14] HrdwrBoB, heh [02:14] HrdwrBoB, maybe it needs a reboot [02:14] *crosses fingers* === usual [~colin@cpe-24-194-197-159.nycap.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [02:15] daniels: Something very wrong here. I set VideoRAM and it still claims that it needs more RAM. [02:15] mjg59: that word is currently reserved for ij, iirc. [02:15] the website should work now [02:15] thanks elmo [02:16] elmo, nope :( [02:17] mdke: works for me [02:17] and I can see it working for others [02:17] elmo, ok [02:17] hmm [02:18] elmo, yes sorry [02:18] thanks a lot [02:22] jdub: I was working a user through that, I don't see it on my system though [02:22] jdub: didn't resolve anything === [Rain] [~Rain@c-24-118-236-45.mn.client2.attbi.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === riddley [~riddley@dsl-29-9.cofs.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === riddley [~riddley@dsl-29-9.cofs.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["I] === [Rain] [~Rain@c-24-118-236-45.mn.client2.attbi.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [02:33] lol [02:33] mark shutleworth is from space [02:33] may explain a few things [02:33] heh [02:46] haha [02:53] jdub: someone commented about it on another bug, but no proper bug yet [02:53] jdub: mvo went to sleep; fixes appreciated === wasabi_ [~wasabi@c-24-1-61-51.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:57] 1111111101 [02:57] 1111111103 [02:57] yeah [02:58] HrdwrBoB, not here yet [02:58] heh [02:58] 1111111098 [02:58] 1111111102 [02:58] brandon@lappy:~$ date +%s [02:58] 1111111111 [02:58] wee. [02:58] whee [02:59] yeah, happy 1111111111 === farruinn [~nathan@cpe-69-201-13-153.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi_ is now known as wasabi === ogra recognizes thta this is really nearly his lifetime in seconds (minus 1,5 months) [03:02] ogra, man you shouldn't be able to work that out [03:02] :) [03:02] heh [03:03] mdke: *shrug* one assumes ogra was born in 1970 [03:03] yup [03:03] mid of feb, to be precise [03:03] man, i'm old... [03:04] ...time for bed.... [03:04] night all === Keybuk is 10 years younger than "unix time" [03:04] (and, by inference, ogra) [03:04] nite === HrdwrBoB likewise [03:04] like nearly everyone around [03:04] how old is that? [03:04] 111111111? [03:04] Keybuk: damn youngster ;-) [03:05] mdke: roughly 332793000 [03:05] *head spins* [03:05] hehe === Keybuk gets thom's pipe and slippers ready for him [03:06] what date is unix year dot? [03:06] mdke, Keybuk is not the man i would argue with about numbers ;) [03:06] ogra, no change, i don't have a clue [03:06] *chance [03:06] ogra: hmm? I can barely count [03:07] Keybuk: thanks :P [03:07] mdke: Sweetmorn, Chaos 1, 3136 YOLD [03:07] *head spins* [03:07] in christian time? [03:08]