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| mdke | hello SapoDriLo | 12:08 |
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| sladen | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/releases/ needs updating with name of Hoary+1 | 12:12 |
| mdke | sladen, i will post it to the list if you like, I've just done one similar | 12:12 |
| mdke | hi btw | 12:13 |
| mdke | sladen, is that ok? | 12:20 |
| mdke | have done it anyway | 12:32 |
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| mdke | wb | 12:57 |
| Burgundavia | hmm | 01:01 |
| mdke | sup? | 01:01 |
| Burgundavia | not much | 01:02 |
| Burgundavia | packaging games for universe | 01:02 |
| mdke | oh cool | 01:03 |
| mdke | didn't know you worked on universe too | 01:04 |
| mdke | great stuff | 01:04 |
| Burgundavia | just beginning | 01:05 |
| mdke | nice | 01:06 |
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| froud | African Greetings | 06:49 |
| jeffsch | hello Mr. froud | 06:52 |
| jeffsch | how are you today? | 06:52 |
| jsgotangco | hello! | 06:54 |
| === froud just woke up | ||
| froud | morning all | 06:54 |
| jsgotangco | its almost 2pm here :) | 06:54 |
| froud | 07:45 | 06:54 |
| jeffsch | and 10pm here | 06:54 |
| === froud sips at coffee and wonders what to do today | ||
| === jeffsch sips at coffee and wonders what he did today | ||
| === jsgotangco sips at coffee and wonders what he will do later | ||
| froud | first three commits | 07:02 |
| froud | :-) | 07:02 |
| === froud looks around the room as if to challenge people on his most excellent commit count this morning | ||
| jeffsch | hmmm... I got some catchin up to do | 07:03 |
| jeffsch | I got some random text i could commit :-) | 07:03 |
| froud | Has the BitTorrent thng been done yet? | 07:04 |
| froud | jeffsch: r you still gonna send me a patch on the update-manager | 07:05 |
| === froud has a sneaky feel jeffsch forgot | ||
| jeffsch | no I didn't forget, just swamped. You will get something after weekend | 07:07 |
| jeffsch | I have a question about that tho... | 07:07 |
| === froud sighs a sigh of relief | ||
| froud | yep shoot away | 07:07 |
| jeffsch | In section 3, Performing Updates | 07:07 |
| jeffsch | It says it checks for updates once a day | 07:07 |
| jeffsch | this has not been my experience | 07:08 |
| jeffsch | will it do that on final release? | 07:08 |
| froud | Hmmm, no it should do that now. The default setting is once a day. It does so on my system | 07:08 |
| jsgotangco | blah need to restart X | 07:09 |
| jeffsch | I think I see.... If it is running 24/7 then it checks for updates once a day | 07:10 |
| froud | could be, perhaps you need to talk to mvo about it | 07:10 |
| jeffsch | I only open it every couple of days. there isn't a daemon in the background? | 07:10 |
| froud | no I think it checks on boot and even when update-manager is not running | 07:11 |
| jeffsch | mvo is Michiel Sikkes? | 07:11 |
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| froud | morning enrico | 07:11 |
| enrico | froud: morning! | 07:11 |
| jeffsch | hi enrico | 07:12 |
| froud | enrico: checkout http://www.inwords.co.za/kubuntu/inst/desktop-install.html | 07:12 |
| === froud starts brainwashing everyone to install kubuntu | ||
| enrico | Oh cute! | 07:13 |
| froud | you like Kongi | 07:13 |
| enrico | I like the logo a lot | 07:13 |
| froud | this guy does them http://www.kulma.org/linux/kde/kone.php?categ=kubuntu | 07:13 |
| enrico | froud: s/vis-a-verse/vice-versa/ | 07:13 |
| enrico | Oh those logos are really cute! | 07:14 |
| froud | some to KDE, it's warm in here and if you find otherwise, let us know :-) | 07:15 |
| jeffsch | I here KDE is faster than GNOME. True? | 07:16 |
| jeffsch | s/here/hear | 07:16 |
| === enrico doesn't know | ||
| === enrico knows froud will say yes, though ;) | ||
| jeffsch | when I bought my computer, I asked the salesman "is it quiet?" | 07:17 |
| jeffsch | he said "yes" | 07:17 |
| jeffsch | it sounds like a jet engine | 07:18 |
| enrico | maybe the salesman was used to seel server racks | 07:19 |
| enrico | those turbines with 6 SCSI harddrives, 4 CPUs and 3 fans per hardrive and 2 per CPU | 07:19 |
| enrico | First time I turned on one of those, I jumped back | 07:19 |
| froud | enrico: in what sentence? | 07:20 |
| jeffsch | did you glue some wings on it and fly away? | 07:20 |
| enrico | froud: "Switching Desktops", end of first paragraph | 07:20 |
| enrico | jeffsch: :) | 07:20 |
| enrico | jeffsch: you could surely use it to dry your hair | 07:20 |
| === enrico notices that User's Guide doesn't build anymore | ||
| enrico | That is blocking updates on the HTML preview | 07:21 |
| froud | ok, will see | 07:21 |
| froud | I always thought it was vis-a-verse | 07:22 |
| enrico | froud: I'm quite sure of that: I took 8 years of French and 5 of Latin :) | 07:22 |
| froud | hmmm ok | 07:23 |
| jeffsch | enrico is right. I just looked it up | 07:23 |
| enrico | (Italian "lyceum" high schools have compulsory latin classes) | 07:23 |
| froud | ok done | 07:23 |
| enrico | (and studying latin quite sucks) | 07:24 |
| froud | must go see ya | 07:29 |
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| jeffsch | encrico: user guide problem is in main.xml | 07:35 |
| jeffsch | I think it's because it has docbook 4.1.2, but that's just a guess | 07:37 |
| enrico | shouldn't everything have DB 4.1.2 now? | 07:42 |
| jeffsch | yes... <part> cannot have id attribute in 4.1.2 | 07:42 |
| enrico | The error I get is this: | 07:44 |
| enrico | warning: failed to load external entity "/usr/share/xml/docbook/stylesheet/nwalsh/current/html/profile-chunk.xsl" | 07:44 |
| enrico | compilation error: file libs/html-cust.xsl line 6 element import | 07:44 |
| enrico | xsl:import : unable to load /usr/share/xml/docbook/stylesheet/nwalsh/current/html/profile-chunk.xsl | 07:44 |
| enrico | doesn't seem to complain about extra attributes: just about problems loading things | 07:45 |
| jeffsch | when I run validate.sh i get this: | 07:45 |
| jeffsch | about/main.xml:9: element part: validity error : No declaration for attribute base of element part | 07:45 |
| jeffsch | I remember reading somewhere that one of the big additions to DocBook 4.3 was id attribute to most tags | 07:46 |
| jeffsch | see http://www.docbook.org/tdg/en/html/part.html | 07:48 |
| jeffsch | only status and label attributes are ok | 07:48 |
| enrico | jeffsch: do you know how to fix it? | 07:50 |
| jeffsch | one of two ways: | 07:50 |
| jeffsch | remove id attribute, or | 07:50 |
| jeffsch | change main.xml to DocBook 4.3 | 07:51 |
| jeffsch | both options may break other things | 07:51 |
| jeffsch | I don't know enough about it to go an make a change | 07:51 |
| jeffsch | have to look in svn change log. not my forte. | 07:52 |
| enrico | ok. We can wait for froud maybe | 07:53 |
| jeffsch | whew! the easy way out! I likes it! :-) | 07:53 |
| enrico | I can have a look at it later, but atm I'm busy on another job... | 07:54 |
| jeffsch | i will play with viewing svn change logs | 07:54 |
| jeffsch | maybe going back to docbook 4.3 is ok for main.xml | 07:55 |
| enrico | uhm.. yes, actually | 07:58 |
| enrico | we're not shipping that with Hoary | 07:58 |
| enrico | good idea | 08:02 |
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| jeffsch | enrico: changing to 4.3 didn't work, nor did removing id attribute | 08:48 |
| jeffsch | my guesses didn't work. (unless i did something wrong) | 08:48 |
| jeffsch | we will have to wait for someone who knows what they're doing | 08:48 |
| jeffsch | time for bed. see ya | 08:48 |
| jeffsch | afk | 08:49 |
| enrico | jeffsch: sweet dreams! | 08:53 |
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| mdke | hello all | 11:29 |
| sladen | mdke: please, do, yes. that's why I posted it here---you guys know what to do with it! :) | 11:30 |
| mdke | sladen, lol | 11:30 |
| mdke | sladen, i posted before going to bed but no reply yet i'm afriad | 11:30 |
| mdke | someone will sort it | 11:30 |
| froud | enrico: checkout http://www.kubuntu.org.uk/documentation.php | 11:34 |
| froud | its one version behind my version, but looks cool :-) | 11:34 |
| mdke | hi froud | 11:35 |
| froud | hey | 11:35 |
| froud | howzit? | 11:35 |
| mdke | good thanks | 11:36 |
| mdke | yourself? | 11:36 |
| froud | cooking with gas! | 11:36 |
| mdke | again? | 11:37 |
| mdke | but isn't it normal to cook with gas? | 11:37 |
| enrico | Cute layout! | 11:37 |
| mdke | yeah sexy menu bar | 11:38 |
| mdke | being served off a kubuntu machine? | 11:39 |
| mdke | wow | 11:39 |
| froud | better than electricity :-) | 11:39 |
| mdke | froud, yeah indeed, as long as you light the gas | 11:39 |
| froud | kawabunga dude | 11:40 |
| mdke | it sounds to me like you've been doing too much hacking | 11:41 |
| mdke | :p | 11:41 |
| mdke | morning enrico | 11:41 |
| enrico | morning | 11:42 |
| === froud is working on userguide problem | ||
| === mdke is wiki gardening | ||
| mdke | i'm getting a bad back from this gardening | 11:44 |
| === froud hates getting hands dirty and sand under nails | ||
| froud | Hmmm yes the xml:base problem | 11:49 |
| froud | < DTD 4.3 has no support for XML based | 11:50 |
| froud | enrico: I can add it or we can go DTD4.3 | 11:50 |
| froud | enrico: but then we have problems with Scrollkeeper | 11:50 |
| froud | which was why we roled back to 4.12 | 11:50 |
| enrico | froud: we don't need scrollkeeper for the User's Guide anyway | 11:51 |
| froud | 4.1.2 | 11:51 |
| froud | no only if it will be in Yelp | 11:51 |
| froud | if it is under any browser we are ok | 11:51 |
| froud | thinking ... you'e right | 11:51 |
| froud | but how to get the doc into yelp if its not in scrollkeeper | 11:52 |
| enrico | froud: we don't need yelp for the User's Guide anyway | 11:52 |
| enrico | It's not shipping with Hoary; then we'll have 6 months to fix yelp+scrollkeeper or to decide on a different system | 11:53 |
| froud | OK I will go up to 4.3 then | 11:53 |
| froud | 4.3 is a better version | 11:53 |
| froud | Of course I would lik eto try 5.0 RelexNG ;-) | 11:54 |
| === froud has horns growing on top of his head | ||
| mdke | hmm | 11:54 |
| mdke | we need to watch him | 11:54 |
| froud | Hey comes Hell Boy | 11:55 |
| froud | here | 11:55 |
| mdke | did anyone do those website amendments? | 11:56 |
| froud | enrico: done | 11:59 |
| froud | anything else not building | 11:59 |
| froud | enrico: trickie an dI made changes to localtion of release notes. You will need to update packaging stuff | 11:59 |
| enrico | ok | 12:03 |
| enrico | I've seen the mails going around | 12:03 |
| froud | cool | 12:03 |
| enrico | Ill get to it ASAP | 12:03 |
| enrico | uhm... | 12:04 |
| enrico | $ make | 12:04 |
| enrico | Building the Ubuntu User Guide . . . | 12:04 |
| enrico | mkdir -p build/userguide/ | 12:04 |
| enrico | /usr/bin/xsltproc --xinclude --stringparam base.dir build/userguide/ libs/html-cust.xsl userguide/usersguide.xml | 12:04 |
| enrico | warning: failed to load external entity "/usr/share/xml/docbook/stylesheet/nwalsh/current/html/profile-chunk.xsl" | 12:04 |
| enrico | compilation error: file libs/html-cust.xsl line 6 element import | 12:04 |
| enrico | xsl:import : unable to load /usr/share/xml/docbook/stylesheet/nwalsh/current/html/profile-chunk.xsl | 12:04 |
| enrico | make: *** [ug] Error 5 | 12:04 |
| enrico | the correct link seems to have no "current" on it | 12:05 |
| froud | change that path in html-cust...xsl | 12:05 |
| enrico | should I commit that change? | 12:06 |
| froud | yes uncommnet the one and comment the other | 12:06 |
| enrico | gablarg | 12:06 |
| froud | Corey and I have xsl's installed in the *correct* locations | 12:07 |
| froud | Corey committed the change | 12:07 |
| enrico | so they fixed ubuntu but still not Debian? | 12:07 |
| froud | he he | 12:07 |
| froud | that's right | 12:08 |
| enrico | baaad | 12:08 |
| froud | what can say | 12:08 |
| froud | so we work around this problem like this until it is resolved | 12:08 |
| enrico | now other problem | 12:09 |
| enrico | XML_CATALOG_FILES points to 4.1.2 | 12:09 |
| enrico | I need to make it point to 4.3 for the UG | 12:09 |
| enrico | but then it screws up the rest | 12:09 |
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| enrico | can that env var have more than one catalog on it? | 12:11 |
| froud | try it and see | 12:11 |
| enrico | they SHOULD work, but they DON'T because xsltproc is buggy | 12:15 |
| enrico | that is, the var would support more than one, but it's badly implemented | 12:15 |
| === enrico farts | ||
| froud | enrico: don't fart and waste it when you can birp and taste it | 12:16 |
| mdke | whoa | 12:16 |
| mdke | how rude! | 12:16 |
| mdke | good for the ozone tho | 12:19 |
| froud | baked beans with pasta for lunch? | 12:19 |
| enrico | bugs | 12:20 |
| enrico | I've just been eating too many bugs | 12:20 |
| mdke | italians don't eat baked beans! | 12:20 |
| mdke | they have a more advanced culinary culture | 12:20 |
| enrico | rather more advanced, yes :) | 12:20 |
| === enrico had baked beans in UK | ||
| mdke | although all my italian friends liked baked beans when they visited me | 12:20 |
| enrico | I still have nightmares | 12:20 |
| mdke | LOL | 12:21 |
| enrico | I'm generally against ketchup | 12:21 |
| mdke | froud, see what I mean? | 12:21 |
| froud | yeah, enrico needs an enema | 12:21 |
| mdke | whoa | 12:21 |
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| enrico | sugar in tomato sauce can exist to balance the acidity of tomatoes, but should not be perceivable | 12:22 |
| mdke | lol | 12:22 |
| froud | now that's Italian thinking | 12:22 |
| mdke | so true | 12:22 |
| mdke | enrico, you have to send me food packages | 12:22 |
| mdke | i'll send you baked beans and ketchup in return | 12:22 |
| enrico | A bit of sugar is suggested when you make tomato sauce for pasta and you're not going to use it right away | 12:22 |
| mdke | yeah | 12:22 |
| enrico | as the sauce would build up acidity | 12:22 |
| enrico | mdke: ok! I'll give the beans to my gw, who lived in York for 4 years | 12:23 |
| mdke | gw? | 12:24 |
| enrico | gf | 12:24 |
| mdke | ah cool | 12:24 |
| mdke | could have been girl-wife | 12:24 |
| mdke | enrico, its not only food i want | 12:25 |
| Kinnison | mdke: as opposed to man-wife? | 12:25 |
| mdke | Kinnison, hi | 12:25 |
| mdke | enrico, i also want some detergente per lavatrice marsiglia | 12:25 |
| enrico | mdke: :) | 12:25 |
| mdke | a massive gap in the english market | 12:25 |
| enrico | mdke: http://lento.uncasino.it/enrico/store/ricette.zip | 12:26 |
| enrico | mdke: have fun! :) | 12:26 |
| mdke | ok | 12:26 |
| mdke | .zip? | 12:26 |
| enrico | yes | 12:26 |
| === mdke shakes head | ||
| mdke | will check it out :) | 12:27 |
| mdke | enrico, where do you live again? roma? | 12:27 |
| enrico | It's an historical archive | 12:27 |
| enrico | 4000 kitchen recipes | 12:27 |
| enrico | Bologna | 12:27 |
| mdke | wow | 12:27 |
| mdke | oh yes | 12:27 |
| mdke | when are we gonna get the default markup on the wiki set to moin? | 12:30 |
| enrico | It's been in WikiWishlist for quite some time :( | 12:32 |
| mdke | is it difficult to do? | 12:33 |
| mdke | loads of the non moin pages are really simple user pages which are just a couple of lines, so they are easy to convert, but it would be cooler if they were in moin already | 12:33 |
| enrico | you should try to ping sm on that | 12:35 |
| mdke | i'm come across a couple which were written in moin, but not saved in it | 12:35 |
| mdke | enrico, i will but i think he is pretty busy atm | 12:35 |
| mdke | enrico, i'll try him this evening | 12:35 |
| mdke | right i'm off | 12:38 |
| mdke | cyall later | 12:38 |
| enrico | mdke: bye! | 12:38 |
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| mdke | enrico, that is a great cookbook ty | 02:30 |
| enrico | no problem! | 02:31 |
| enrico | It's one of the best I've ever found | 02:31 |
| enrico | and it's been compiled by people over Fidonet first, and then Internet | 02:31 |
| enrico | The Free Cookbook! | 02:31 |
| mdke | i see | 02:31 |
| mdke | opensource cooking | 02:31 |
| mdke | awesome | 02:32 |
| enrico | mdke: I went through the Wiki subscription mails: you're doing an impressive work!! | 02:32 |
| mdke | ty | 02:32 |
| mdke | the wiki is going nicely: I've noticed lots of pages being added. The French and Italian sections are building up too | 02:33 |
| mdke | we just need to sort out a better structure | 02:33 |
| mdke | hoary +1 has a wonderful name | 02:33 |
| mdke | and grumpy is the perfect name for a dev release | 02:34 |
| mdke | ;) | 02:34 |
| enrico | When I had more time for it, I was considering contacting some of the most active wiki contributors to coordinate a bit together | 02:37 |
| mdke | its an idea | 02:37 |
| enrico | At the ubuntuconf we hacked together a script that would make stats over the mails coming from the wiki subscriptions | 02:37 |
| enrico | I can send it to you | 02:38 |
| mdke | sure | 02:38 |
| mdke | i'm not subscribed to the whole wiki, but i can do | 02:38 |
| enrico | BTW, here's another great source of recipes: http://www.liberliber.it/biblioteca/a/artusi/ | 02:38 |
| mdke | i just follow the rss on new pages | 02:38 |
| enrico | If you use procmail you can do it (else it's quite some mails getting in) | 02:38 |
| mdke | i'm not great with mail | 02:38 |
| mdke | i just use evolution and filters | 02:38 |
| enrico | That book is more than one century old. Copyright expired :) | 02:38 |
| enrico | ah, ok. | 02:38 |
| mdke | heh | 02:39 |
| mdke | in the uk its not so easy to cook well | 02:39 |
| mdke | everything is very expensive | 02:39 |
| mdke | parmisan = 30 euri /kilo | 02:40 |
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| Kinnison | mdke: Depends where you are | 02:40 |
| mdke | Kinnison, well in major supermarkets | 02:41 |
| mdke | you a brit too? | 02:41 |
| enrico | gotta go | 02:42 |
| Kinnison | mdke: I live in Cambridgeshire | 02:43 |
| mdke | yay | 02:43 |
| mdke | Kinnison, i haven't been there, nice? | 02:44 |
| Kinnison | mdke: Parmesan from Asda is apparently about 2.50UKP per kilo | 02:44 |
| mdke | i have a suspicion that isn't parmisan | 02:44 |
| Kinnison | Quite possibly not :-) | 02:44 |
| mdke | made out of people's feet | 02:44 |
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| mdke | Kinnison, oh i c that page | 02:47 |
| mdke | it says per kilo but it means per pack | 02:47 |
| Kinnison | heh | 02:47 |
| Kinnison | shoddy reporting | 02:47 |
| mdke | cheeky bastards | 02:48 |
| mdke | so how is cambridgeshire? | 02:48 |
| === Kinnison looks out of the window | ||
| mdke | heh | 02:48 |
| Kinnison | sunny; a few fluffy clouds, birds singing | 02:49 |
| mdke | its glorious here today | 02:49 |
| mdke | about 18 degrees more than last week | 02:49 |
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| mdke | froud, ping | 05:17 |
| mdke | nm | 05:27 |
| Kinnison | burger! You're a machine | 06:31 |
| mdke | heh | 06:31 |
| Kinnison | mdke: Debian-UK meet tomorrow in Cambridge if you fancy popping up and saying "Boo!" | 06:32 |
| Kinnison | I and a couple of other Ubuntu related peeps will be there too | 06:33 |
| froud | mdke: sorry yes | 06:37 |
| mdke | froud, np resolved, the Kubuntu wiki page was accidentally deleted but whoever it was has now reinstated it | 06:43 |
| mdke | Kinnison, i would like to but can't make it, i have exams next week | 06:43 |
| === Kinnison nods | ||
| froud | mdke: yes I think Riddle is hack on it | 06:45 |
| mdke | see the comment at the bottom? it was the guy who posted that who accidentally deleted the page. no harm done tho | 06:47 |
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| mdke | oh the comment's gone now too | 06:48 |
| mdke | shame | 06:48 |
| mdke | ;) | 06:49 |
| mdke | hi jjesse | 06:49 |
| jjesse | hiya mdke | 06:49 |
| mdke | mmmm | 07:10 |
| mdke | simpsons... | 07:10 |
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| mdke | anyone around? | 11:16 |
| Burgundavia | not really | 11:20 |
| mdke | hi corey | 11:27 |
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