[12:08] <mdke> hello SapoDriLo 
[12:12] <sladen> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/releases/ needs updating with name of Hoary+1
[12:12] <mdke> sladen, i will post it to the list if you like, I've just done one similar
[12:13] <mdke> hi btw
[12:20] <mdke> sladen, is that ok?
[12:32] <mdke> have done it anyway
[12:57] <mdke> wb
[01:01] <Burgundavia> hmm
[01:01] <mdke> sup?
[01:02] <Burgundavia> not much
[01:02] <Burgundavia> packaging games for universe
[01:03] <mdke> oh cool
[01:04] <mdke> didn't know you worked on universe too
[01:04] <mdke> great stuff
[01:05] <Burgundavia> just beginning
[01:06] <mdke> nice
[06:49] <froud> African Greetings
[06:52] <jeffsch> hello Mr. froud
[06:52] <jeffsch> how are you today?
[06:54] <jsgotangco> hello!
[06:54] <froud> morning all
[06:54] <jsgotangco> its almost 2pm here :)
[06:54] <froud> 07:45
[06:54] <jeffsch> and 10pm here
[07:02] <froud> first three commits
[07:02] <froud> :-)
[07:03] <jeffsch> hmmm... I got some catchin up to do 
[07:03] <jeffsch> I got some random text i could commit :-)
[07:04] <froud> Has the BitTorrent thng been done yet?
[07:05] <froud> jeffsch: r you still gonna send me a patch on the update-manager
[07:07] <jeffsch> no I didn't forget, just swamped. You will get something after weekend
[07:07] <jeffsch> I have a question about that tho...
[07:07] <froud> yep shoot away
[07:07] <jeffsch> In section 3, Performing Updates
[07:07] <jeffsch> It says it checks for updates once a day
[07:08] <jeffsch> this has not been my experience
[07:08] <jeffsch> will it do that on final release?
[07:08] <froud> Hmmm, no it should do that now. The default setting is once a day. It does so on my system
[07:09] <jsgotangco> blah need to restart X
[07:10] <jeffsch> I think I see.... If it is running 24/7 then it checks for updates once a day
[07:10] <froud> could be, perhaps you need to talk to mvo about it
[07:10] <jeffsch> I only open it every couple of days. there isn't a daemon in the background?
[07:11] <froud> no I      think it checks on boot and even when update-manager is not running
[07:11] <jeffsch> mvo is Michiel Sikkes?
[07:11] <froud> morning enrico 
[07:11] <enrico> froud: morning!
[07:12] <jeffsch> hi enrico
[07:12] <froud> enrico: checkout http://www.inwords.co.za/kubuntu/inst/desktop-install.html
[07:13] <enrico> Oh cute!
[07:13] <froud> you like Kongi
[07:13] <enrico> I like the logo a lot
[07:13] <froud> this guy does them http://www.kulma.org/linux/kde/kone.php?categ=kubuntu
[07:13] <enrico> froud: s/vis-a-verse/vice-versa/
[07:14] <enrico> Oh those logos are really cute!
[07:15] <froud> some to KDE, it's warm in here and if you find otherwise, let us know :-)
[07:16] <jeffsch> I here KDE is faster than GNOME. True?
[07:16] <jeffsch> s/here/hear
[07:17] <jeffsch> when I bought my computer, I asked the salesman "is it quiet?"
[07:17] <jeffsch> he said "yes"
[07:18] <jeffsch> it sounds like a jet engine
[07:19] <enrico> maybe the salesman was used to seel server racks
[07:19] <enrico> those turbines with 6 SCSI harddrives, 4 CPUs and 3 fans per hardrive and 2 per CPU
[07:19] <enrico> First time I turned on one of those, I jumped back
[07:20] <froud> enrico: in what sentence?
[07:20] <jeffsch> did you glue some wings on it and fly away?
[07:20] <enrico> froud: "Switching Desktops", end of first paragraph
[07:20] <enrico> jeffsch:  :)
[07:20] <enrico> jeffsch: you could surely use it to dry your hair
[07:21] <enrico> That is blocking updates on the HTML preview
[07:21] <froud> ok, will see
[07:22] <froud> I always thought it was vis-a-verse
[07:22] <enrico> froud: I'm quite sure of that: I took 8 years of French and 5 of Latin :)
[07:23] <froud> hmmm ok
[07:23] <jeffsch> enrico is right. I just looked it up
[07:23] <enrico> (Italian "lyceum" high schools have compulsory latin classes)
[07:23] <froud> ok done
[07:24] <enrico> (and studying latin quite sucks)
[07:29] <froud> must go see ya
[07:35] <jeffsch> encrico: user guide problem is in main.xml
[07:37] <jeffsch> I think it's because it has docbook 4.1.2, but that's just a guess
[07:42] <enrico> shouldn't everything have DB 4.1.2 now?
[07:42] <jeffsch> yes... <part> cannot have id attribute in 4.1.2
[07:44] <enrico> The error I get is this:
[07:44] <enrico> warning: failed to load external entity "/usr/share/xml/docbook/stylesheet/nwalsh/current/html/profile-chunk.xsl"
[07:44] <enrico> compilation error: file libs/html-cust.xsl line 6 element import
[07:44] <enrico> xsl:import : unable to load /usr/share/xml/docbook/stylesheet/nwalsh/current/html/profile-chunk.xsl
[07:45] <enrico> doesn't seem to complain about extra attributes: just about problems loading things
[07:45] <jeffsch> when I run validate.sh i get this:
[07:45] <jeffsch> about/main.xml:9: element part: validity error : No declaration for attribute base of element part
[07:46] <jeffsch> I remember reading somewhere that one of the big additions to DocBook 4.3 was id attribute to most tags
[07:48] <jeffsch> see http://www.docbook.org/tdg/en/html/part.html
[07:48] <jeffsch> only status and label attributes are ok
[07:50] <enrico> jeffsch: do you know how to fix it?
[07:50] <jeffsch> one of two ways:
[07:50] <jeffsch> remove id attribute, or
[07:51] <jeffsch> change main.xml to DocBook 4.3
[07:51] <jeffsch> both options may break other things
[07:51] <jeffsch> I don't know enough about it to go an make a change
[07:52] <jeffsch> have to look in svn change log. not my forte.
[07:53] <enrico> ok.  We can wait for froud maybe
[07:53] <jeffsch> whew! the easy way out! I likes it! :-)
[07:54] <enrico> I can have a look at it later, but atm I'm busy on another job...
[07:54] <jeffsch> i will play with viewing svn change logs
[07:55] <jeffsch> maybe going back to docbook 4.3 is ok for main.xml
[07:58] <enrico> uhm.. yes, actually
[07:58] <enrico> we're not shipping that with Hoary
[08:02] <enrico> good idea
[08:48] <jeffsch> enrico: changing to 4.3 didn't work, nor did removing id attribute
[08:48] <jeffsch> my guesses didn't work. (unless i did something wrong)
[08:48] <jeffsch> we will have to wait for someone who knows what they're doing
[08:48] <jeffsch> time for bed. see ya
[08:49] <jeffsch> afk
[08:53] <enrico> jeffsch: sweet dreams!
[11:29] <mdke> hello all
[11:30] <sladen> mdke: please, do, yes.  that's why I posted it here---you guys know what to do with it!  :)
[11:30] <mdke> sladen, lol
[11:30] <mdke> sladen, i posted before going to bed but no reply yet i'm afriad
[11:30] <mdke> someone will sort it
[11:34] <froud> enrico: checkout http://www.kubuntu.org.uk/documentation.php
[11:34] <froud> its one version behind my version, but looks cool :-)
[11:35] <mdke> hi froud 
[11:35] <froud> hey
[11:35] <froud> howzit?
[11:36] <mdke> good thanks
[11:36] <mdke> yourself?
[11:36] <froud> cooking with gas!
[11:37] <mdke> again?
[11:37] <mdke> but isn't it normal to cook with gas?
[11:37] <enrico> Cute layout!
[11:38] <mdke> yeah sexy menu bar
[11:39] <mdke> being served off a kubuntu machine?
[11:39] <mdke> wow
[11:39] <froud> better than electricity :-)
[11:39] <mdke> froud, yeah indeed, as long as you light the gas
[11:40] <froud> kawabunga dude
[11:41] <mdke> it sounds to me like you've been doing too much hacking
[11:41] <mdke> :p
[11:41] <mdke> morning enrico 
[11:42] <enrico> morning
[11:44] <mdke> i'm getting a bad back from this gardening
[11:49] <froud> Hmmm yes the xml:base problem
[11:50] <froud> < DTD 4.3 has no support for XML based
[11:50] <froud> enrico: I can add it or we can go DTD4.3
[11:50] <froud> enrico: but then we have problems with Scrollkeeper
[11:50] <froud> which was why we roled back to 4.12
[11:51] <enrico> froud: we don't need scrollkeeper for the User's Guide anyway
[11:51] <froud> 4.1.2
[11:51] <froud> no only if it will be in Yelp
[11:51] <froud> if it is under any browser we are ok
[11:51] <froud> thinking ... you'e right
[11:52] <froud> but how to get the doc into yelp if its not in scrollkeeper
[11:52] <enrico> froud: we don't need yelp for the User's Guide anyway
[11:53] <enrico> It's not shipping with Hoary; then we'll have 6 months to fix yelp+scrollkeeper or to decide on a different system
[11:53] <froud> OK I will go up to 4.3 then
[11:53] <froud> 4.3 is a better version
[11:54] <froud> Of course I would lik eto try 5.0 RelexNG ;-)
[11:54] <mdke> hmm
[11:54] <mdke> we need to watch him
[11:55] <froud> Hey comes Hell Boy
[11:55] <froud> here
[11:56] <mdke> did anyone do those website amendments?
[11:59] <froud> enrico: done
[11:59] <froud> anything else not building
[11:59] <froud> enrico: trickie an dI made changes to localtion of release notes. You will need to update packaging stuff
[12:03] <enrico> ok
[12:03] <enrico> I've seen the mails going around
[12:03] <froud> cool
[12:03] <enrico> Ill get to it ASAP
[12:04] <enrico> uhm...
[12:04] <enrico> $ make
[12:04] <enrico> Building the Ubuntu User Guide . . .
[12:04] <enrico> mkdir -p build/userguide/
[12:04] <enrico> /usr/bin/xsltproc --xinclude --stringparam base.dir build/userguide/ libs/html-cust.xsl userguide/usersguide.xml
[12:04] <enrico> warning: failed to load external entity "/usr/share/xml/docbook/stylesheet/nwalsh/current/html/profile-chunk.xsl"
[12:04] <enrico> compilation error: file libs/html-cust.xsl line 6 element import
[12:04] <enrico> xsl:import : unable to load /usr/share/xml/docbook/stylesheet/nwalsh/current/html/profile-chunk.xsl
[12:04] <enrico> make: *** [ug]  Error 5
[12:05] <enrico> the correct link seems to have no "current" on it
[12:05] <froud> change that path in html-cust...xsl
[12:06] <enrico> should I commit that change?
[12:06] <froud> yes uncommnet the one and comment the other
[12:06] <enrico> gablarg
[12:07] <froud> Corey and I have xsl's installed in the *correct* locations
[12:07] <froud> Corey committed the change
[12:07] <enrico> so they fixed ubuntu but still not Debian?
[12:07] <froud> he he
[12:08] <froud> that's right
[12:08] <enrico> baaad
[12:08] <froud> what can say
[12:08] <froud> so we work around this problem like this until it is resolved
[12:09] <enrico> now other problem
[12:09] <enrico> XML_CATALOG_FILES points to 4.1.2
[12:09] <enrico> I need to make it point to 4.3 for the UG
[12:09] <enrico> but then it screws up the rest
[12:11] <enrico> can that env var have more than one catalog on it?
[12:11] <froud> try it and see
[12:15] <enrico> they SHOULD work, but they DON'T because xsltproc is buggy
[12:15] <enrico> that is, the var would support more than one, but it's badly implemented
[12:16] <froud> enrico: don't fart and waste it when you can birp and taste it
[12:16] <mdke> whoa
[12:16] <mdke> how rude!
[12:19] <mdke> good for the ozone tho
[12:19] <froud> baked beans with pasta for lunch?
[12:20] <enrico> bugs
[12:20] <enrico> I've just been eating too many bugs
[12:20] <mdke> italians don't eat baked beans!
[12:20] <mdke> they have a more advanced culinary culture
[12:20] <enrico> rather more advanced, yes :)
[12:20] <mdke> although all my italian friends liked baked beans when they visited me
[12:20] <enrico> I still have nightmares
[12:21] <mdke> LOL
[12:21] <enrico> I'm generally against ketchup
[12:21] <mdke> froud, see what I mean?
[12:21] <froud> yeah, enrico needs an enema
[12:21] <mdke> whoa
[12:22] <enrico> sugar in tomato sauce can exist to balance the acidity of tomatoes, but should not be perceivable
[12:22] <mdke> lol
[12:22] <froud> now that's Italian thinking
[12:22] <mdke> so true
[12:22] <mdke> enrico, you have to send me food packages
[12:22] <mdke> i'll send you baked beans and ketchup in return
[12:22] <enrico> A bit of sugar is suggested when you make tomato sauce for pasta and you're not going to use it right away
[12:22] <mdke> yeah
[12:22] <enrico> as the sauce would build up acidity
[12:23] <enrico> mdke: ok!  I'll give the beans to my gw, who lived in York for 4 years
[12:24] <mdke> gw?
[12:24] <enrico> gf
[12:24] <mdke> ah cool
[12:24] <mdke> could have been girl-wife
[12:25] <mdke> enrico, its not only food i want
[12:25] <Kinnison> mdke: as opposed to man-wife?
[12:25] <mdke> Kinnison, hi
[12:25] <mdke> enrico, i also want some detergente per lavatrice marsiglia
[12:25] <enrico> mdke: :)
[12:25] <mdke> a massive gap in the english market
[12:26] <enrico> mdke: http://lento.uncasino.it/enrico/store/ricette.zip
[12:26] <enrico> mdke: have fun! :)
[12:26] <mdke> ok
[12:26] <mdke> .zip?
[12:26] <enrico> yes
[12:27] <mdke> will check it out :)
[12:27] <mdke> enrico, where do you live again? roma?
[12:27] <enrico> It's an historical archive
[12:27] <enrico> 4000 kitchen recipes
[12:27] <enrico> Bologna
[12:27] <mdke> wow
[12:27] <mdke> oh yes
[12:30] <mdke> when are we gonna get the default markup on the wiki set to moin?
[12:32] <enrico> It's been in WikiWishlist for quite some time :(
[12:33] <mdke> is it difficult to do?
[12:33] <mdke> loads of the non moin pages are really simple user pages which are just a couple of lines, so they are easy to convert, but it would be cooler if they were in moin already
[12:35] <enrico> you should try to ping sm on that
[12:35] <mdke> i'm come across a couple which were written in moin, but not saved in it
[12:35] <mdke> enrico, i will but i think he is pretty busy atm
[12:35] <mdke> enrico, i'll try him this evening
[12:38] <mdke> right i'm off
[12:38] <mdke> cyall later
[12:38] <enrico> mdke: bye!
[02:30] <mdke> enrico, that is a great cookbook ty
[02:31] <enrico> no problem!
[02:31] <enrico> It's one of the best I've ever found
[02:31] <enrico> and it's been compiled by people over Fidonet first, and then Internet
[02:31] <enrico> The Free Cookbook!
[02:31] <mdke> i see
[02:31] <mdke> opensource cooking
[02:32] <mdke> awesome
[02:32] <enrico> mdke: I went through the Wiki subscription mails: you're doing an impressive work!!
[02:32] <mdke> ty
[02:33] <mdke> the wiki is going nicely: I've noticed lots of pages being added. The French and Italian sections are building up too
[02:33] <mdke> we just need to sort out a better structure
[02:33] <mdke> hoary +1 has a wonderful name
[02:34] <mdke> and grumpy is the perfect name for a dev release
[02:34] <mdke> ;)
[02:37] <enrico> When I had more time for it, I was considering contacting some of the most active wiki contributors to coordinate a bit together
[02:37] <mdke> its an idea
[02:37] <enrico> At the ubuntuconf we hacked together a script that would make stats over the mails coming from the wiki subscriptions
[02:38] <enrico> I can send it to you
[02:38] <mdke> sure
[02:38] <mdke> i'm not subscribed to the whole wiki, but i can do
[02:38] <enrico> BTW, here's another great source of recipes: http://www.liberliber.it/biblioteca/a/artusi/
[02:38] <mdke> i just follow the rss on new pages
[02:38] <enrico> If you use procmail you can do it (else it's quite some mails getting in)
[02:38] <mdke> i'm not great with mail
[02:38] <mdke> i just use evolution and filters
[02:38] <enrico> That book is more than one century old.  Copyright expired :)
[02:38] <enrico> ah, ok.
[02:39] <mdke> heh
[02:39] <mdke> in the uk its not so easy to cook well
[02:39] <mdke> everything is very expensive
[02:40] <mdke> parmisan = 30 euri /kilo
[02:40] <Kinnison> mdke: Depends where you are
[02:41] <mdke> Kinnison, well in major supermarkets
[02:41] <mdke> you a brit too?
[02:42] <enrico> gotta go
[02:43] <Kinnison> mdke: I live in Cambridgeshire
[02:43] <mdke> yay
[02:44] <mdke> Kinnison, i haven't been there, nice?
[02:44] <Kinnison> mdke: Parmesan from Asda is apparently about 2.50UKP per kilo
[02:44] <mdke> i have a suspicion that isn't parmisan
[02:44] <Kinnison> Quite possibly not :-)
[02:44] <mdke> made out of people's feet
[02:47] <mdke> Kinnison, oh i c that page
[02:47] <mdke> it says per kilo but it means per pack
[02:47] <Kinnison> heh
[02:47] <Kinnison> shoddy reporting
[02:48] <mdke> cheeky bastards
[02:48] <mdke> so how is cambridgeshire?
[02:48] <mdke> heh
[02:49] <Kinnison> sunny; a few fluffy clouds, birds singing
[02:49] <mdke> its glorious here today
[02:49] <mdke> about 18 degrees more than last week
[05:17] <mdke> froud, ping
[05:27] <mdke> nm
[06:31] <Kinnison> burger! You're a machine
[06:31] <mdke> heh
[06:32] <Kinnison> mdke: Debian-UK meet tomorrow in Cambridge if you fancy popping up and saying "Boo!"
[06:33] <Kinnison> I and a couple of other Ubuntu related peeps will be there too
[06:37] <froud> mdke: sorry yes
[06:43] <mdke> froud, np resolved, the Kubuntu wiki page was accidentally deleted but whoever it was has now reinstated it
[06:43] <mdke> Kinnison, i would like to but can't make it, i have exams next week
[06:45] <froud> mdke: yes I think Riddle is hack on it
[06:47] <mdke> see the comment at the bottom? it was the guy who posted that who accidentally deleted the page. no harm done tho
[06:48] <mdke> oh the comment's gone now too
[06:48] <mdke> shame
[06:49] <mdke> ;)
[06:49] <mdke> hi jjesse 
[06:49] <jjesse> hiya mdke
[07:10] <mdke> mmmm
[07:10] <mdke> simpsons...
[11:16] <mdke> anyone around?
[11:20] <Burgundavia> not really
[11:27] <mdke> hi corey