=== SapoDriLo [~SapoDriLo@210006144037.ctinets.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:08] hello SapoDriLo === sladen [paul@starsky.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:12] http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/releases/ needs updating with name of Hoary+1 [12:12] sladen, i will post it to the list if you like, I've just done one similar [12:13] hi btw [12:20] sladen, is that ok? [12:32] have done it anyway === Burgundavia [~Burgundav@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:57] wb [01:01] hmm [01:01] sup? [01:02] not much [01:02] packaging games for universe [01:03] oh cool [01:04] didn't know you worked on universe too [01:04] great stuff [01:05] just beginning [01:06] nice === mdke [~matt@81-178-127-4.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke [~matt@mdke.user] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke [~matt@mdke.user] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jeffsch [~jeffsch@fatwire-204-88.uniserve.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === froud [~froud@ndn-165-131-237.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:49] African Greetings [06:52] hello Mr. froud [06:52] how are you today? [06:54] hello! === froud just woke up [06:54] morning all [06:54] its almost 2pm here :) [06:54] 07:45 [06:54] and 10pm here === froud sips at coffee and wonders what to do today === jeffsch sips at coffee and wonders what he did today === jsgotangco sips at coffee and wonders what he will do later [07:02] first three commits [07:02] :-) === froud looks around the room as if to challenge people on his most excellent commit count this morning [07:03] hmmm... I got some catchin up to do [07:03] I got some random text i could commit :-) [07:04] Has the BitTorrent thng been done yet? [07:05] jeffsch: r you still gonna send me a patch on the update-manager === froud has a sneaky feel jeffsch forgot [07:07] no I didn't forget, just swamped. You will get something after weekend [07:07] I have a question about that tho... === froud sighs a sigh of relief [07:07] yep shoot away [07:07] In section 3, Performing Updates [07:07] It says it checks for updates once a day [07:08] this has not been my experience [07:08] will it do that on final release? [07:08] Hmmm, no it should do that now. The default setting is once a day. It does so on my system [07:09] blah need to restart X [07:10] I think I see.... If it is running 24/7 then it checks for updates once a day [07:10] could be, perhaps you need to talk to mvo about it [07:10] I only open it every couple of days. there isn't a daemon in the background? [07:11] no I think it checks on boot and even when update-manager is not running [07:11] mvo is Michiel Sikkes? === enrico [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:11] morning enrico [07:11] froud: morning! [07:12] hi enrico [07:12] enrico: checkout http://www.inwords.co.za/kubuntu/inst/desktop-install.html === froud starts brainwashing everyone to install kubuntu [07:13] Oh cute! [07:13] you like Kongi [07:13] I like the logo a lot [07:13] this guy does them http://www.kulma.org/linux/kde/kone.php?categ=kubuntu [07:13] froud: s/vis-a-verse/vice-versa/ [07:14] Oh those logos are really cute! [07:15] some to KDE, it's warm in here and if you find otherwise, let us know :-) [07:16] I here KDE is faster than GNOME. True? [07:16] s/here/hear === enrico doesn't know === enrico knows froud will say yes, though ;) [07:17] when I bought my computer, I asked the salesman "is it quiet?" [07:17] he said "yes" [07:18] it sounds like a jet engine [07:19] maybe the salesman was used to seel server racks [07:19] those turbines with 6 SCSI harddrives, 4 CPUs and 3 fans per hardrive and 2 per CPU [07:19] First time I turned on one of those, I jumped back [07:20] enrico: in what sentence? [07:20] did you glue some wings on it and fly away? [07:20] froud: "Switching Desktops", end of first paragraph [07:20] jeffsch: :) [07:20] jeffsch: you could surely use it to dry your hair === enrico notices that User's Guide doesn't build anymore [07:21] That is blocking updates on the HTML preview [07:21] ok, will see [07:22] I always thought it was vis-a-verse [07:22] froud: I'm quite sure of that: I took 8 years of French and 5 of Latin :) [07:23] hmmm ok [07:23] enrico is right. I just looked it up [07:23] (Italian "lyceum" high schools have compulsory latin classes) [07:23] ok done [07:24] (and studying latin quite sucks) [07:29] must go see ya === froud is now known as froud-away [07:35] encrico: user guide problem is in main.xml [07:37] I think it's because it has docbook 4.1.2, but that's just a guess [07:42] shouldn't everything have DB 4.1.2 now? [07:42] yes... cannot have id attribute in 4.1.2 [07:44] The error I get is this: [07:44] warning: failed to load external entity "/usr/share/xml/docbook/stylesheet/nwalsh/current/html/profile-chunk.xsl" [07:44] compilation error: file libs/html-cust.xsl line 6 element import [07:44] xsl:import : unable to load /usr/share/xml/docbook/stylesheet/nwalsh/current/html/profile-chunk.xsl [07:45] doesn't seem to complain about extra attributes: just about problems loading things [07:45] when I run validate.sh i get this: [07:45] about/main.xml:9: element part: validity error : No declaration for attribute base of element part [07:46] I remember reading somewhere that one of the big additions to DocBook 4.3 was id attribute to most tags [07:48] see http://www.docbook.org/tdg/en/html/part.html [07:48] only status and label attributes are ok [07:50] jeffsch: do you know how to fix it? [07:50] one of two ways: [07:50] remove id attribute, or [07:51] change main.xml to DocBook 4.3 [07:51] both options may break other things [07:51] I don't know enough about it to go an make a change [07:52] have to look in svn change log. not my forte. [07:53] ok. We can wait for froud maybe [07:53] whew! the easy way out! I likes it! :-) [07:54] I can have a look at it later, but atm I'm busy on another job... [07:54] i will play with viewing svn change logs [07:55] maybe going back to docbook 4.3 is ok for main.xml [07:58] uhm.. yes, actually [07:58] we're not shipping that with Hoary [08:02] good idea === cc [~cc@byte.fedora] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:48] enrico: changing to 4.3 didn't work, nor did removing id attribute [08:48] my guesses didn't work. (unless i did something wrong) [08:48] we will have to wait for someone who knows what they're doing [08:48] time for bed. see ya [08:49] afk [08:53] jeffsch: sweet dreams! === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === egli [~egli@gate.wyona.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === froud-away is now known as froud === mdke [~matt@mdke.user] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:29] hello all [11:30] mdke: please, do, yes. that's why I posted it here---you guys know what to do with it! :) [11:30] sladen, lol [11:30] sladen, i posted before going to bed but no reply yet i'm afriad [11:30] someone will sort it [11:34] enrico: checkout http://www.kubuntu.org.uk/documentation.php [11:34] its one version behind my version, but looks cool :-) [11:35] hi froud [11:35] hey [11:35] howzit? [11:36] good thanks [11:36] yourself? [11:36] cooking with gas! [11:37] again? [11:37] but isn't it normal to cook with gas? [11:37] Cute layout! [11:38] yeah sexy menu bar [11:39] being served off a kubuntu machine? [11:39] wow [11:39] better than electricity :-) [11:39] froud, yeah indeed, as long as you light the gas [11:40] kawabunga dude [11:41] it sounds to me like you've been doing too much hacking [11:41] :p [11:41] morning enrico [11:42] morning === froud is working on userguide problem === mdke is wiki gardening [11:44] i'm getting a bad back from this gardening === froud hates getting hands dirty and sand under nails [11:49] Hmmm yes the xml:base problem [11:50] < DTD 4.3 has no support for XML based [11:50] enrico: I can add it or we can go DTD4.3 [11:50] enrico: but then we have problems with Scrollkeeper [11:50] which was why we roled back to 4.12 [11:51] froud: we don't need scrollkeeper for the User's Guide anyway [11:51] 4.1.2 [11:51] no only if it will be in Yelp [11:51] if it is under any browser we are ok [11:51] thinking ... you'e right [11:52] but how to get the doc into yelp if its not in scrollkeeper [11:52] froud: we don't need yelp for the User's Guide anyway [11:53] It's not shipping with Hoary; then we'll have 6 months to fix yelp+scrollkeeper or to decide on a different system [11:53] OK I will go up to 4.3 then [11:53] 4.3 is a better version [11:54] Of course I would lik eto try 5.0 RelexNG ;-) === froud has horns growing on top of his head [11:54] hmm [11:54] we need to watch him [11:55] Hey comes Hell Boy [11:55] here [11:56] did anyone do those website amendments? [11:59] enrico: done [11:59] anything else not building [11:59] enrico: trickie an dI made changes to localtion of release notes. You will need to update packaging stuff [12:03] ok [12:03] I've seen the mails going around [12:03] cool [12:03] Ill get to it ASAP [12:04] uhm... [12:04] $ make [12:04] Building the Ubuntu User Guide . . . [12:04] mkdir -p build/userguide/ [12:04] /usr/bin/xsltproc --xinclude --stringparam base.dir build/userguide/ libs/html-cust.xsl userguide/usersguide.xml [12:04] warning: failed to load external entity "/usr/share/xml/docbook/stylesheet/nwalsh/current/html/profile-chunk.xsl" [12:04] compilation error: file libs/html-cust.xsl line 6 element import [12:04] xsl:import : unable to load /usr/share/xml/docbook/stylesheet/nwalsh/current/html/profile-chunk.xsl [12:04] make: *** [ug] Error 5 [12:05] the correct link seems to have no "current" on it [12:05] change that path in html-cust...xsl [12:06] should I commit that change? [12:06] yes uncommnet the one and comment the other [12:06] gablarg [12:07] Corey and I have xsl's installed in the *correct* locations [12:07] Corey committed the change [12:07] so they fixed ubuntu but still not Debian? [12:07] he he [12:08] that's right [12:08] baaad [12:08] what can say [12:08] so we work around this problem like this until it is resolved [12:09] now other problem [12:09] XML_CATALOG_FILES points to 4.1.2 [12:09] I need to make it point to 4.3 for the UG [12:09] but then it screws up the rest === froud humms, thinking I told you yelp was a bad idea ;-) and the horns grow longer [12:11] can that env var have more than one catalog on it? [12:11] try it and see [12:15] they SHOULD work, but they DON'T because xsltproc is buggy [12:15] that is, the var would support more than one, but it's badly implemented === enrico farts [12:16] enrico: don't fart and waste it when you can birp and taste it [12:16] whoa [12:16] how rude! [12:19] good for the ozone tho [12:19] baked beans with pasta for lunch? [12:20] bugs [12:20] I've just been eating too many bugs [12:20] italians don't eat baked beans! [12:20] they have a more advanced culinary culture [12:20] rather more advanced, yes :) === enrico had baked beans in UK [12:20] although all my italian friends liked baked beans when they visited me [12:20] I still have nightmares [12:21] LOL [12:21] I'm generally against ketchup [12:21] froud, see what I mean? [12:21] yeah, enrico needs an enema [12:21] whoa === mdke backs away [12:22] sugar in tomato sauce can exist to balance the acidity of tomatoes, but should not be perceivable [12:22] lol [12:22] now that's Italian thinking [12:22] so true [12:22] enrico, you have to send me food packages [12:22] i'll send you baked beans and ketchup in return [12:22] A bit of sugar is suggested when you make tomato sauce for pasta and you're not going to use it right away [12:22] yeah [12:22] as the sauce would build up acidity [12:23] mdke: ok! I'll give the beans to my gw, who lived in York for 4 years [12:24] gw? [12:24] gf [12:24] ah cool [12:24] could have been girl-wife [12:25] enrico, its not only food i want [12:25] mdke: as opposed to man-wife? [12:25] Kinnison, hi [12:25] enrico, i also want some detergente per lavatrice marsiglia [12:25] mdke: :) [12:25] a massive gap in the english market [12:26] mdke: http://lento.uncasino.it/enrico/store/ricette.zip [12:26] mdke: have fun! :) [12:26] ok [12:26] .zip? [12:26] yes === mdke shakes head [12:27] will check it out :) [12:27] enrico, where do you live again? roma? [12:27] It's an historical archive [12:27] 4000 kitchen recipes [12:27] Bologna [12:27] wow [12:27] oh yes [12:30] when are we gonna get the default markup on the wiki set to moin? [12:32] It's been in WikiWishlist for quite some time :( [12:33] is it difficult to do? [12:33] loads of the non moin pages are really simple user pages which are just a couple of lines, so they are easy to convert, but it would be cooler if they were in moin already [12:35] you should try to ping sm on that [12:35] i'm come across a couple which were written in moin, but not saved in it [12:35] enrico, i will but i think he is pretty busy atm [12:35] enrico, i'll try him this evening [12:38] right i'm off [12:38] cyall later [12:38] mdke: bye! === mdke [~matt@mdke.user] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] === Burgundavia [~Burgundav@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === froud [~froud@ndn-165-131-237.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === froud [~froud@ndn-165-131-237.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke [~matt@mdke.user] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:30] enrico, that is a great cookbook ty [02:31] no problem! [02:31] It's one of the best I've ever found [02:31] and it's been compiled by people over Fidonet first, and then Internet [02:31] The Free Cookbook! [02:31] i see [02:31] opensource cooking [02:32] awesome [02:32] mdke: I went through the Wiki subscription mails: you're doing an impressive work!! [02:32] ty [02:33] the wiki is going nicely: I've noticed lots of pages being added. The French and Italian sections are building up too [02:33] we just need to sort out a better structure [02:33] hoary +1 has a wonderful name [02:34] and grumpy is the perfect name for a dev release [02:34] ;) [02:37] When I had more time for it, I was considering contacting some of the most active wiki contributors to coordinate a bit together [02:37] its an idea [02:37] At the ubuntuconf we hacked together a script that would make stats over the mails coming from the wiki subscriptions [02:38] I can send it to you [02:38] sure [02:38] i'm not subscribed to the whole wiki, but i can do [02:38] BTW, here's another great source of recipes: http://www.liberliber.it/biblioteca/a/artusi/ [02:38] i just follow the rss on new pages [02:38] If you use procmail you can do it (else it's quite some mails getting in) [02:38] i'm not great with mail [02:38] i just use evolution and filters [02:38] That book is more than one century old. Copyright expired :) [02:38] ah, ok. [02:39] heh [02:39] in the uk its not so easy to cook well [02:39] everything is very expensive [02:40] parmisan = 30 euri /kilo === _froud_ [~froud@ndn-165-131-237.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:40] mdke: Depends where you are [02:41] Kinnison, well in major supermarkets [02:41] you a brit too? [02:42] gotta go [02:43] mdke: I live in Cambridgeshire [02:43] yay [02:44] Kinnison, i haven't been there, nice? [02:44] mdke: Parmesan from Asda is apparently about 2.50UKP per kilo [02:44] i have a suspicion that isn't parmisan [02:44] Quite possibly not :-) [02:44] made out of people's feet === _froud_ [~froud@ndn-165-131-237.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:47] Kinnison, oh i c that page [02:47] it says per kilo but it means per pack [02:47] heh [02:47] shoddy reporting [02:48] cheeky bastards [02:48] so how is cambridgeshire? === Kinnison looks out of the window [02:48] heh [02:49] sunny; a few fluffy clouds, birds singing [02:49] its glorious here today [02:49] about 18 degrees more than last week === drasko [~drasko@ic-07.etf.bg.ac.yu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === _froud_ is now known as froud === egli [~egli@gate.wyona.com] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] === froud [~froud@ndn-165-131-237.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === SapoDriLo [~SapoDriLo@210006144037.ctinets.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === apokryphos [~apokrypho@84.9.33.255] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:17] froud, ping [05:27] nm [06:31] burger! You're a machine [06:31] heh [06:32] mdke: Debian-UK meet tomorrow in Cambridge if you fancy popping up and saying "Boo!" [06:33] I and a couple of other Ubuntu related peeps will be there too [06:37] mdke: sorry yes [06:43] froud, np resolved, the Kubuntu wiki page was accidentally deleted but whoever it was has now reinstated it [06:43] Kinnison, i would like to but can't make it, i have exams next week === Kinnison nods [06:45] mdke: yes I think Riddle is hack on it [06:47] see the comment at the bottom? it was the guy who posted that who accidentally deleted the page. no harm done tho === jjesse [~jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:48] oh the comment's gone now too [06:48] shame [06:49] ;) [06:49] hi jjesse [06:49] hiya mdke [07:10] mmmm [07:10] simpsons... === maskie [~maskie@196-30-108-172.uudial.uunet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === froud is now known as froud-away === jjesse [~jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia [~Burgundav@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:16] anyone around? [11:20] not really [11:27] hi corey