[12:00] <lunitik> inphlict: has a tray applet that displays song title etc... and you can change songs via right click on that... there is also a "Mini Mode" (I think its called) that is very minimalistic...
[12:00] <andrewski> ohgood: ok.  you don't need nvidia-dev for those...
[12:00] <mazzabr> ok, I'll ask again.
[12:00] <inphlict> sounds great
[12:00] <xerox> thoreauputic: hm, it says installed, but I didn't even see it compiling. The only installed things seems to be the docs.
[12:00] <ohgood> andrewski,  ok, well, it does require 3d, does it not ?
[12:00] <mazzabr> I can't rear any sound here. I tried to set volume using alsamixer, but still no sound.
[12:00] <ohgood> andrewski, also, games, etc, i "just want 3d"
[12:00] <keffo> where the hell do i get my sidepanel in nautilus? ;P
[12:01] <xerox> thoreauputic: maybe it's because the "non-standard-GNU" way to build? make.sh instead of configure&make?
[12:01] <andrewski> ohgood: yes, but you don't need the development files for those. :)
[12:01] <thoreauputic> xerox: did you get the quaetions from checkinstall?
[12:01] <KurtKocaine> ehh, nevermind, I'll ask again later tonight.
[12:01] <mazzabr> sound works ok on windows.
[12:01] <xerox> thoreauputic: I did
[12:01] <andrewski> ohgood: you have multiverse repository added?
[12:01] <ohgood> andrew, well, iv'e installed nvidia-glx, and it errs at vidia-glx-config enable
[12:01] <odysseus> i cant get gftp installed becaue of dependency error messages. i followed starter guide 4.10. what can i do ?
[12:01] <HiddenWolf> Is there a good tool to monitor the state of s.m.a.r.t harddrives?
[12:01] <ohgood> andrewski, multiverse ? i have no idea
[12:01] <inphlict> How do I remove xmms from panel now, i uninstalled it but it didn't remove it
[12:01] <andrewski> ohgood: ok, h/o a sec.
[12:01] <thoreauputic> xerox: hmm - I've only used it with the standard ./configure; make ; checkinstall  mantra
[12:02] <munki> inphlict : right-click -> remove ?
[12:02] <inphlict> no such option
[12:02] <ohgood> andrewski, i have everything allowable in sources.list, i haven't found more repos anywhere else
[12:02] <andrewski> inphlict: you need to update the menu.
[12:02] <inphlict> how do I do that?
[12:02] <andrewski> ohgood: well, is multiverse in there?
[12:02] <xerox> farruinn: is it that difficult to debianize some sources?
[12:02] <munki> inphlict: from the menu, or from the panel ?
[12:02] <xerox> thoreauputic: what can I do?
[12:03] <inphlict> from the foot panel
[12:03] <ohgood> andrewski, i see no mention of multiverse
[12:03] <andrewski> ohgood: ok.
[12:03] <inphlict> under sound & audio
[12:03] <inphlict> sorry sounds & video
[12:03] <inphlict> I'm using horay btw
[12:03] <farruinn> xerox: it'd probably be more difficult to debianize the cvs source than to just get the source package from debian
[12:03] <ohgood> andrew, hmm, so warty and hoary are releases then ?
[12:03] <thoreauputic> xerox: did you do the first two steps ( configure, make) before checkinstall?
[12:03] <keffo> anyone knows where my sidepanel in nautilus wnet?
[12:03] <andrewski> ohgood: ubuntuguide.org has a nice and quick howto on the subject.  yes, they are.
[12:03] <inphlict> any idea?
[12:04] <andrewski> ohgood: i'd hit up that howto quickly if i were you.  post back when you're done.
[12:04] <ohgood> andrewski, ty sir.
[12:04] <Rocha> keffo, nautilus in gnome 2.[6-10]  uses spatial mode by default
[12:04] <xerox> thoreauputic: there are not configure & make steps. But if you mean "build the package" I can try.
[12:04] <andrewski> ohgood: i'll help you when you come back; i don't mean to dismiss you. ;P
[12:04] <Tuxadermist> ehehe
[12:04] <Tuxadermist> Your Fired would work too
[12:04] <thoreauputic> xerox: checkinstall just puts the bits in the right places after you compile
[12:04] <gangalino> what can I do about this? -usb 3-1: control timeout on ep0in
[12:05] <thoreauputic> xerox: man checkinstall to see
[12:05] <ohgood> andrewski, a good slap in the right direction is all i require :) Normally
[12:05] <xerox> thoreauputic: ok, let me try building it.
[12:05] <garrut> has anyone had any problems with X crashing when running vmware?
[12:05] <andrewski> ohgood: IIRC, there's some good nvidia stuff thereon too.
[12:06] <majortool> i can't get my laptop touchpad to work and i have psaux as a synaptic touchpad listed in my /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ... is there anything else i have to do?
[12:07] <goodoldunclemike> ? When mounting vfat..can i use the same commands as redhat
[12:08] <majortool> mount -t vfat source destination
[12:09] <ohgood> andrewski, mmm, ok , new sources are listed, but still no kernel headers to be found for 2.6.10.x
[12:09] <goodoldunclemike> ok thanks
[12:09] <andrewski> ohgood: i repeat: why do you need kernel headers?
[12:09] <goodoldunclemike> 1 more?....can kde be installed
[12:09] <ohgood> andrewski, nvidia stuffs ?
[12:10] <onEnterFrame> Yay! Ubuntu is such a great distro, I look forward to horay! Anyways, here comes another problem: I installed ubuntu using my external dvd/cdr hooked up in one of the USB ports.. anyways, I can't access the CD while I'm on the GUI, anyone knows what's up?
[12:10] <thoreauputic> ohgood: I repeat  *linux-headers* in ubuntu
[12:10] <keffo> tbh, how do i get my sidepanel in nautilus?
[12:10] <majortool> goodoldunclemike, i just installed ubuntu today and i don't know much about debian but i think its something like apt-get install kde
[12:10] <neighborlee> does ubuntu use nptl ?
[12:10] <ohgood> thoreauputic, sorry, i'm used to saying kernel
[12:10] <andrewski> ohgood: install nvidia-kernel-command and nvidia-glx.  then you have only to properly configure your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and you're all set.
[12:10] <thoreauputic> ohgood: but *search* for linux-headers
[12:11] <ohgood> andrewski, i have it installed, and i've set xorg.conf to 'nvidia' but it's a no-go
[12:11] <ohgood> thoreauputic, done, no such 2.6.10's found
[12:11] <neighborlee> ohgood, did you run: sudo nvidia-glx-config enable ?
[12:11] <goodoldunclemike> ok thanks....
[12:11] <ohgood> neighborlee, yes, it fails, it wants XFREE86
[12:11] <blizah> does ubuntu have the abilty to see my SATA RAID windows hard drives?
[12:11] <farruinn> goodoldunclemike: did you install hoary or warty?
[12:11] <andrewski> ohgood: all i'm saying is that i have nvidia/x.org with no linux-headers installed....
[12:12] <andrewski> GLX too. :)
[12:12] <majortool> i can't get my laptop touchpad to work and i have psaux as a synaptic touchpad listed in my /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ... is there anything else i have to do?, bout to roll my own kernel
[12:12] <thoreauputic> ohgood: weird - they must have chaged the name *yet again*
[12:12] <kyc> hi
[12:12] <kyc> i was wondering if i can install a hardcopy of ubuntu with the liveCD?
[12:12] <onEnterFrame> so anyone know what's up?
[12:12] <ohgood> andrewski, oh, not saying ya don't - - ;) just saying it refuses here, and wants xf86 <shrug>
[12:12] <inphlict> what do I need to do so I can play mp3s?
[12:12] <neighborlee> ohgood, odd mine works fine and i'm using hoary ;-)
[12:12] <thoreauputic> kyc: short answer : no
[12:13] <blizah> anyone know this answer?
[12:13] <kyc> thoreauputic ynot? it works with knoppix
[12:13] <inphlict> I get an error about not having a plugin in Rhythmbox
[12:13] <goodoldunclemike> warty
[12:13] <ohgood> neighborlee, i'll message the 3 line flood to you if i may ?
[12:13] <neighborlee> ohgood, sure
[12:13] <onEnterFrame> Yeah I'm wondering if I can access the CD one way or the other
[12:13] <thoreauputic> kyc: because knoppix has an installer script
[12:13] <inphlict> Does anyone know?
[12:13] <kyc> so i'll have to download both versions? livecd and hardcopy?
[12:13] <goodoldunclemike> what is there a difference in the 2
[12:13] <kyc> i want the livecd to test it out
[12:13] <neighborlee> inphlict, your playing a non supported format
[12:14] <ohgood> are missing from your system. Please be sure that your xserver package is
[12:14] <ohgood> installed correctly.
[12:14] <inphlict> there must be a way
[12:14] <inphlict> to play mp3s with it
[12:14] <farruinn> goodoldunclemike: hoary is the development release.  You'll have to enable universe to install kde in warty.
[12:14] <inphlict> how would I do it?
[12:14] <onEnterFrame> what about me? Why is the CD not working here? Even the installation CD isn't
[12:14] <ohgood> shoot, i'm not used to xchat, sorry if i flooded folks
[12:14] <thoreauputic> inphlict: if you sudo apt-get install gsreamer0.8-mad , you can play them with rhythmbox (music player)
[12:14] <andrewski> ohgood: and that i've never run nvidia-glx-config :P
[12:14] <andrewski> ohgood: are you sure you have xorg.conf set up to load GLX?
[12:14] <onEnterFrame> "Unable to mount the selected volume"
[12:14] <inphlict> thnx i'll try that
[12:14] <blizah> anyone? (is it possible to get my ubuntu to see my windows discs that are SATA RAID
[12:15] <alberto> hi
[12:15] <ohgood> andrewski, yes
[12:15] <kyc> wtf do you recommend warty or hoary? is hoary stable enough?
[12:15] <goodoldunclemike> hoary is better then
[12:15] <alberto> is here any ubuntu ppc maintainer?
[12:15] <inphlict> I get E: Couldn't find package gsreamer0.8-mad
[12:15] <kyc> sorry by wtf i meant btw...
[12:15] <kyc> :P
[12:15] <onEnterFrame> lol guys anyone knows the answer?
[12:15] <keffo> Hm, anyone do have this bug.. when you should do 'open with' you cant box the radiobox?
[12:15] <keffo> hm
[12:16] <thoreauputic> inphlict: enable universe in synaptic >> settings >> repositories (in fact tick all the boxes there)
[12:16] <inphlict> there is no settings there
[12:17] <blizah> anyone?
[12:17] <thoreauputic> inphlict: and do please read http://ubuntuguide.org and http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:17] <farruinn> alberto: I don't think there is any one person in charge of ppc
[12:17] <inphlict> okay
[12:17] <thoreauputic> inphlict: yes there are settings ther
[12:17] <alberto> |2@ahm
[12:17] <inphlict> i see it now sorry I'm a complete noob
[12:17] <alberto> farruinn: I dont understand that phrase
[12:17] <aeolist> hi all
[12:17] <andrewski> ohgood: i'd take a look then at your xorg log...
[12:18] <thoreauputic> inphlict: that's OK - just tick all the boxes
[12:18] <farruinn> alberto: I'm assuming you mean a maintainer for the ppc installer or something?
[12:18] <thoreauputic> inphlict: you might need to highlight the entries
[12:18] <inphlict> 1 see 4 boxes
[12:18] <kyc> is hoarty stable enough that it'd work well as a development platform?
[12:19] <inphlict> Show disbaled software sources
[12:19] <inphlict> Automatically check for software updates
[12:19] <inphlict> am I in the right section?
[12:19] <farruinn> kyc: probably, you can always just install the preview release and not do upgrades
[12:19] <inphlict> I'm using horay
[12:19] <andrew> any one know a good site to add to my apt sourses
[12:19] <kyc> i program using SDL and OpenGL
[12:19] <aeolist> how can i reconfigure my network settings with dpkg-reconfigure
[12:19] <aeolist> ?
[12:19] <kyc> farruinn, why would i not do upgrades? aren't they supposed to be stability patches?
[12:19] <thoreauputic> inphlict: the other way is to edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:20] <inphlict> I see
[12:20] <farruinn> kyc: heh, not in a development release
[12:20] <alberto> why you assume that?
[12:20] <thoreauputic> inphlict: just read the guides I gave you above
[12:20] <alberto> ah, because #macosx
[12:20] <alberto> ok
[12:20] <thoreauputic> inphlict: ubuntuguide.org is very good
[12:20] <Sauvaget> hi, upgraded to ubuntu. whenever i try to startx with x.org it says "Failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module!" it should be installed. any idea why this is happening?
[12:20] <blizah> can i get ubuntu to see my windows disc's that are on a SATA RAID?  (my ubuntu (warty) is on an ide drive)
[12:20] <farruinn> kyc: upgrades probably cause the most instability. I think you could just do security upgrades though
[12:21] <inphlict> i'll try :o
[12:21] <alberto> then you know my problem?
[12:21] <farruinn> alberto: I caught the tail end of the conversation
[12:21] <kyc> farruinn ok thanks, then perhaps i should just use warty for now. i can always upgrade to hoarty when it's finalized
[12:22] <kyc> are there any major advantages to using x.org and the latest gnome?
[12:22] <kyc> i'm running an inspiron 1150 if that helps
[12:22] <thoreauputic> inphlict: IRC is not the quickest way to learn - people have divided attentions - reading is better to begin getting the idea
[12:23] <thoreauputic> inphlict: also search/browse the ubuntulinux site
[12:23] <desrt> kyc; no real user-noticeable positives to using xorg unless you use composite (which you probably don't want to)
[12:23] <desrt> the newest gnome has some new functionality and bug fixes, though
[12:24] <oclv> at this point, i'm about ready to reboot, remove the harddrive that matters, and allow shells. i'm giving up on nvidia-glx
[12:24] <blizah> anyone know this answer..ive been looking and am having trouble
[12:24] <thoreauputic> inphlict: don't forget to hit the reload button after updating your repositories
[12:24] <kyc> desrt, is composite just a desktop toy more or less?
[12:24] <farruinn> blizah: have you posted to the mailing list or forums?
[12:25] <inphlict> oky doky
[12:25] <thoreauputic> kyc: more or less, yeah
[12:25] <inphlict> it says I need to delete tree
[12:25] <blizah> farruinn not as of yet..guess thats the next step :D
[12:25] <inphlict> nvm
[12:25] <garrut> i turned it on yesterday and to my surprise didn't even turn it off again, it works great
[12:26] <thoreauputic> inphlict: lurk here and you'll gradually pick up some clues, as well
[12:26] <dazed||lap> 83 updates for hoary today :/
[12:26] <xerox> thoreauputic: it installed only doc again.
[12:26] <xerox> :(
[12:27] <thoreauputic> xerox: :(
[12:27] <ohgood> is anyone using hoary with nvidia 3d, and if so , could you point me to the HOWTO you used ?
[12:27] <inphlict> I plant too
[12:27] <inphlict> plan*
[12:27] <garrut> works fin with me
[12:27] <andrewski> ohgood: could you join #paste and paste your xorg.conf?
[12:27] <garrut> i just read the readme
[12:27] <ohgood> andrewski: sure
[12:28] <xerox> thoreauputic: maybe I should try the deb-src thing now, do you know how to do it?
[12:28] <knucks> was the problem w/ the nvidia drivers fixed?
[12:28] <knucks> if so, link to information?
[12:28] <thoreauputic> xerox: I don't know - if you're using cvs you might need to read about debian packaging (I'm just a user, not a dev or an advanced debian person)
[12:28] <knucks> on hoary
[12:28] <kyc> ok so i'll install warty. i'll be maybe to update to hoary at a later time just by using the update manager right?
[12:28] <kyc> maybe=able, bad typing today :P
[12:29] <xerox> thoreauputic: debian unstable hasn't cvs HEAD, just a more recent version than ubuntu's one. Do you know how can I grab it?
[12:29] <desrt> kyc; more or less
[12:29] <desrt> kyc; it gives alpha transparancy
[12:29] <neighborlee> knucks, what kind of problem are you having..I use hoary but see no issues right now
[12:29] <thoreauputic> xerox: someone in #ubuntu-devel might be able to point you in the right direction
[12:29] <kyc> desrt: there's that more or less again, o wow you take awhile to respond haha.
[12:29] <knucks> neighborlee: there were problems with the nvidia driver..no screens were found
[12:29] <neighborlee> knucks, geF4TI4200 with current nvidia-glx
[12:29] <xerox> thoreauputic: thank you very much.
[12:29] <neighborlee> knucks, odd
[12:29] <desrt> kyc; i'm multitasking
[12:29] <knucks> right now ive been in gnome safe-mode the past 5days because of it
[12:29] <inphlict> I can play mp3s with totem
[12:29] <knucks> i cannot load in normal
[12:29] <neighborlee> knucks, hmm after fresh install ?
[12:30] <inphlict> but I can't with anything else
[12:30] <kyc> so the update manager will take care of release updates?
[12:30] <knucks> i just get windows but no interface ("Applications, Places, System, icons, etc.)
[12:30] <neighborlee> kyc, yes
[12:30] <kyc> cool thanks a lot, hoping to really get into this distro
[12:30] <neighborlee> kyc, ;-)
[12:31] <MobyTurbo> ohgood, I'm not using Hoary, I'm using Warty, but I remember having problems with my TNT2 and the next-to-most-recent two nvidia drivers. I'd recommend downloading the latest nvidia driver package and installing it outside of the package system until it is sorted out.
[12:31] <MobyTurbo> ohgood, www.nvidia.com/linux
[12:31] <thoreauputic> inphlict: have you added your mp3 s to the music library ? ( right click folder in the file manager, add to music..) They should play with the music player (rhythmbox)
[12:32] <inphlict> yeah it wont let me add them
[12:33] <inphlict> it says there is a plugin error
[12:33] <ohgood> bah i'll just rm -rf / and start over tomorrow this is pointless.
[12:33] <ohgood> MobyTurbo: ok, you won the 'last try'   then i'm blatting it
[12:33] <neighborlee> ohgood, aaaaac
[12:34] <inphlict> I get. "There is no plugin installed to handle a MP3 file."
[12:34] <neighborlee> ohgood, make sure you grab kernel headers > symlink it to /usr/src/linux and then run the nvidia file and change that /etc/x11 file
[12:35] <MobyTurbo> ohgood, yes, you'll need the proper kernel headers to install nvidia's installer. Also you'll need to exit X.
[12:35] <alberto>  how can I eject cd in osx
[12:35] <alberto> without icon
[12:35] <thoreauputic> inphlict: sudo apt-get install gstreamer-plugins
[12:35] <alberto> ups
[12:36] <inphlict> I'll try it thnx
[12:36] <inphlict> problem with sources
[12:36] <inphlict> sudo apt-get install gstreamer-plugins
[12:36] <jaims> :list
[12:36] <inphlict> E: Malformed line 24 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist parse)
[12:36] <inphlict> E: The list of sources could not be read.
[12:36] <inphlict> how do I edit the file manually or check the error
[12:37] <andrewski> ohgood: there's no data in your xorg.conf... are you pasting it correctly?
[12:37] <blablablek> hi
[12:37] <Nermal> *pie of rage*
[12:37] <farruinn> inphlict: gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list will allow you to edit it manually
[12:38] <blablablek> whz does the cd always spin up, even when idle in ubuntu live 5.04
[12:38] <ohgood> i'll pastebin it
[12:38] <ohgood> neighborlee: i can't get headers for 2.6.10, they aren't available
[12:38] <neighborlee> would a OP please PM me for a sec..nothing wrong I just need to ask something ;-))
[12:38] <ohgood> yes, i know about nvidia and kernel headers
[12:38] <ohgood> apt doesn't find any
[12:38] <ohgood> http://www.pastebin.com/259361     my xorg.conf
[12:38] <ohgood> andrewski: http://www.pastebin.com/259361 should be it
[12:39] <neighborlee> ohgood, yes they are ;-)
[12:39] <neighborlee> ohgood, check again ;-=)
[12:39] <andrewski> ohgood: Load    "GLcore" in Section "Module"
[12:39] <garrut> ohgood: driver should be nvidia...
[12:39] <andrewski> neighborlee: i don't think ohgood was talking to you. :P
[12:39] <neighborlee> andrewski, bah I was just trying to help...take it away ole master
[12:40] <ohgood> this is the current USABLE xorg.conf, with nvidia it just fails to load X
[12:40] <ohgood> if i load glx and nvidia, xorg putzes out
[12:40] <andrewski> ohgood: well, you're not loading GL, i'm jus' sayin'.
[12:40] <ohgood> andrewski: if it do, it fails
[12:40] <plex0r> hey i need help...i accidentally changed my screen resoloution to WAY to big...how can i change it in the complete terminal screen?
[12:40] <andrewski> ohgood: yes, but i'm just trying to help you get it working. :P
[12:41] <plex0r> whats the command line to edit my x config?
[12:41] <ohgood> andrewski: i cannot run nvidia-glx-config enable      as it wants XF86
[12:41] <andrewski> ohgood: you don't need to.  please understand that.
[12:41] <plex0r> anyone?
[12:42] <neighborlee> plex0r, what are you trying to do
[12:42] <garrut> ohgood, it's pretty much the same as mine, except for some twinview options i use
[12:42] <pvh> plex0r: You can probably use Ctrl-Alt-+/-
[12:42] <ohgood> andrewski: well, i have no 3d, glxgears fails, and i can't load X with nvidia stuffs.. . so
[12:42] <garrut> which version do you use?
[12:42] <andrewski> ohgood: well, you're not loading GL.  do you understand me?
[12:42] <ohgood> yes
[12:42] <plex0r> pvh- that doesnt work
[12:42] <ohgood> andrewski: when i do load gl, X will _not_ start
[12:42] <burbuja> hellos!
[12:43] <plex0r> neighborlee: i need to change my screen res back down to normal...but i cant get on the gui cuz its too oversized
[12:43] <andrewski> ohgood: but why don't you add it and paste the error so we could debug???
[12:43] <garrut> ohgood, which version drivers do you use?
[12:43] <ohgood> andrewski: sigh, ok
[12:43] <ohgood> garrut: 6111
[12:43] <neighborlee> plex0r,Ctrl-Alt-F1 and edit manually if need be
[12:43] <plex0r> yeah...how do i edit manually
[12:43] <garrut> try 7167
[12:43] <plex0r> whats the command neighborlee
[12:43] <garrut> those work fine with me
[12:44] <andrewski> garrut: there are reported problems with those in ubuntu....
[12:44] <ohgood> garrut: don't they require kernel headers though ?
[12:44] <tritium> ohgood, I recommend you stick with what's available in ubuntu, not 7167
[12:44] <neighborlee> plex0r, i'm going to PM you
[12:44] <burbuja> mako_ eyy i see you again ;)
[12:44] <andrewski> ohgood: yes, there's a reason 7167 is not in the repositories yet. :)
[12:45] <garrut> well seeing these don't work for ohgood...
[12:45] <garrut> why don't try newer ones
[12:45] <andrewski> garrut: yes, but why?  we don't have an error.
[12:45] <keffo> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=97969
[12:45] <garrut> no problems here
[12:45] <ohgood> 6111 is what the HOWTO suggested, i complied, it refuses kernel headers...
[12:45] <tritium> garrut, because the version number is not likely to be the problem, and so he can keep his software under package management
[12:45] <aeolist> the kernel that ships with ubuntu is totally generic, but runs 100% of times... does anybody know where i can get the .config file from?
[12:46] <tritium> ohgood, oh, you compiled your own?  Why?
[12:46] <inphlict> /etc/apt/sources.list where can I find the default file?
[12:46] <tritium> aeolist, /boot
[12:46] <andrewski> tritium: no, he 'complied'... with the HOWTO
[12:46] <inphlict> I messed mine up I think
[12:46] <tritium> andrewski, okay...
[12:46] <ohgood> tritium: no. this is a default install, <2 hours old
[12:46] <HrdwrBoB> aeolist: it's entirely modular, and you can just install the 686 kernel package
[12:46] <andrewski> if i understand correctly... :)
[12:46] <tritium> ohgood, good
[12:46] <Rain`> im a bit confused, how do I delete/copy files as root in the file browser (so I dont get permission denied all the time), and not having to use terminal
[12:46] <andrewski> ohgood: oh, good. :P
[12:46] <farruinn> inphlict: you're using hoary?
[12:46] <andrewski> ohgood: so, ready for the additions?
[12:46] <tritium> ohgood, there was a recent bug with xorg that changed "DefaultDepth" to "1".  Can you check that you don't have this problem?
[12:47] <mfraase> greetings... I need help with a faulty cursor display with hoary (this is my first linux install, so be gentle)
[12:47] <inphlict> yes
[12:47] <inphlict> I am using it
[12:47] <andrewski> tritium: http://www.pastebin.com/259361
[12:47] <tritium> andrewski, thanks
[12:47] <farruinn> inphlict: I'll /msg you mine
[12:47] <aeolist> ook
[12:47] <ohgood> tritium: default is '1'
[12:47] <tritium> ohgood, change it to 24
[12:47] <inphlict> thnx
[12:48] <andrewski> ohgood: it looks to be 24 in your paste... ???
[12:48] <ohgood> oh , i see, my mistake
[12:48] <andrewski> ohgood: so, can you make some changes to your xorg.conf?
[12:48] <_CarlosH_> hi
[12:48] <ohgood> andrewski: what would you like ?
[12:48] <_CarlosH_> what is ubuntu?
[12:48] <andrewski> ohgood: Load    "GLcore" in Section "Module"
[12:49] <andrewski> _CarlosH_: ubuntulinux.org
[12:49] <ohgood> andrewski: anything else ?
[12:49] <andrewski> ohgood: yup.
[12:49] <mfraase> again, can anyone help me with a faulty cursor display with hoary?
[12:49] <andrewski> ohgood: under the first Section "Device", switch nv to nvidia.
[12:50] <crb> Site error
[12:50] <crb> This site encountered an error trying to fulfill your request. The errors were:
[12:50] <crb> Error Type
[12:50] <crb>     Fault
[12:50] <keffo> please help, http://www.pastebin.com/259363
[12:50] <crb> trying to sign up on the ubuntu website
[12:50] <_CarlosH_> andrewski thanks
[12:50] <tritium> andrewski, he doesn't want to load GLcore
[12:50] <ohgood> andrewski: done
[12:50] <goodoldunclemike> ? does hoary have the root disable like warty does
[12:50] <andrewski> tritium: why not?
[12:50] <farruinn> goodoldunclemike: yes
[12:50] <tritium> andrewski, /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/README.gz
[12:50] <[Rain] > how do I open a terminal window at the location im at in the file browser
[12:50] <ohgood> andrewski: shall i post the errors somewhere now ?
[12:50] <andrewski> ohgood: h/o a sec.
[12:50] <womble> What's the Ubuntu equivalent of packages.debian.org ?
[12:50] <goodoldunclemike> k thanks
[12:51] <tritium> andrewski, Load "glx", don't load "GLcore" or "dri"
[12:51] <farruinn> womble: first hit on a google search for "ubuntu packages"
[12:51] <crb> http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
[12:51] <andrewski> tritium: oh, no kidding.  why the heck does GL work for me then? :P
[12:52] <speel> what if you have glcore and dri and everything is fine?
[12:52] <farruinn> crb: yup that one :)
[12:52] <andrewski> ohgood: so yeah, just switch the driver then.
[12:52] <tritium> andrewski, well, glx is supposed to load GLcore
[12:52] <andrewski> speel: yeah, really. :)
[12:52] <HillTop> I'm trying to install Web Authoring System (Nvu) using http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#nvu  and step 4: Download nvu-0.70-pc-linux2.4.23-gnu.tar.bz2 wokred but the file showed up as nvu-0.70-pc-linux2.4.23-gnu.tar.bz2.tar  !! What of the extra .tar?? The next command fails. sudo tar jxvf nvu-0.70-pc-linux2.4.23-gnu.tar.bz2 -C /opt/
[12:52] <ohgood> andrewski: done
[12:52] <andrewski> ohgood: you catch all that?
[12:52] <lunitik> womble: currently isn't an official one.. although there is 'http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/'
[12:52] <andrewski> ohgood: ok, first paste your updated xorg.conf please, so we can see it.
[12:53] <sander__> Will Hoary's default kernel be 2.6.10 or 2.6.11?
[12:54] <mfraase> I installed hoary preview and the cursor works but appears as a ~64x64 block that looks like TV static. Can anyone help me install basic cursors?
[12:54] <keffo> please help, http://www.pastebin.com/259363
[12:54] <ohgood> andrewski: ok- http://www.pastebin.com/259370
[12:54] <andrewski> keffo: i didn't understand that. :)
[12:55] <lunitik> keffo: apt-get install fontconfig on its own and see what it says.
[12:55] <thoreauputic_> HillTop: what happens if you rename the file by simply removing the trailing .tar?
[12:55] <andrewski> ohgood: no, tritium said that you need to take out the GLcore line (sorry) and the dri line too.
[12:55] <andrewski> ohgood: does that make sense?
[12:55] <ohgood> andrewski: sure
[12:55] <keffo> lunitik, exactly the same
[12:55] <andrewski> ohgood: yeah, sorry about the confusion.
[12:55] <lunitik> thoreauputic: linux could care less that the file is appended with a .tar
[12:55] <HillTop> thoreauputic, I guess I could try that.
[12:56] <lunitik> keffo: libfontconfig1?
[12:56] <thoreauputic_> lunitik: good point
[12:56] <ohgood> andrewski: i'm adding im' sure ;)
[12:56] <andrewski> ohgood: ok, paste when you're done. :)
[12:56] <keffo> lunitik, same same
[12:56] <ohgood> andrewski: http://www.pastebin.com/259371
[12:57] <HillTop> thoreauputic, OK, unpacked a ton of stuff, :)   Thanks
[12:57] <lunitik> HillTop: what does it say when it fails?
[12:57] <garrut> that should do it ohgood
[12:57] <andrewski> ohgood: ok, now try starting X.  let me know if it fails.
[12:57] <ohgood> aight, brb
[12:57] <lunitik> keffo: you're sure? doesn't make sense.
[12:57] <keffo> im sure
[12:57] <keffo> quite
[12:58] <thoreauputic_> HillTop: lunitik is right though - the problem was you were trying to unpack it with a file name it didn't recognise because it didn't exist
[12:58] <lunitik> actually... never mind... libfontconfig1 depends fontconfig  :/
[12:58] <HillTop> thoreauputic, The error was no such file. Now it has unpacked.  Thanks  :)
[12:59] <thoreauputic_> HillTop: yes, looking at the command you used - it didn't refer to any "existing" file
[01:00] <farruinn> HillTop: tab completion is lovely: just start typing the name of the file, hit tab and it will fill in the rest
[01:01] <ohgood> heh, now, even with the default (original xorg.conf) it fails. neat.
[01:01] <lunitik> farruinn, HillTop: enless the string matches several possibilities... in which case, hit tab again, and review to see how many more chars must be typed...
[01:01] <andrewski> ohgood: when loading the nvidia driver?
[01:01] <marcin_ant> hi all
[01:02] <lunitik> (hitting tab again lists all files that match current string)
[01:02] <marcin_ant> could someone tell me how to browse my own samba shares with nautilus?
[01:02] <HillTop> thoreauputic, But now the rest of the script is broken. But s/.60/.70/  fixed it. Looks like it is installed -- already bugging me about how I like it. :)
[01:02] <lunitik> marcin_ant: easier said than done... gnome-vfs smb support sucks
[01:03] <tsume_> oh the iso is so huge :(
[01:03] <mfraase> Could someone please tell me how to install a basic cursor set in hoary?
[01:03] <lunitik> mfraase: apt-get install gcursor is as good a start as any
[01:03] <HillTop> lunitik, thanks. I didn't think about upgrades and new versions, so the script was not upto date.
[01:03] <ohgood> well, unless someone wants those xorg.conf's, i'll just rm -rf / and start over tomorrow.
[01:03] <mfraase> lunitik: got it, installed it, it's asking for source directories (I'm a newbie in case that's already not obvious)
[01:04] <marcin_ant> lunitik: thanks ;) I just thougt so... :(
[01:04] <error_29> How do I change color depth?  all I can find in the menus is screen resolution.
[01:04] <thoreauputic> HillTop: tab completion takes care of name changes for you, generally
[01:04] <MobyTurbo> ohgood, rather than rm -rf / and reinstalling like Windows, simply change ubuntu to use the "nv" driver until you get the 3D driver worked out.
[01:05] <ohgood> MobyTurbo: it doesn't load X.
[01:05] <lunitik> mfraase: dpkg -L gcursors ... look for things stating /usr/share/somethingtodowithacursor
[01:05] <lunitik> ogra: *poke*
[01:05] <bdr> mfraase: create a directory called .icons in your home directory then extract the cursor theme into it. Make a sub directory called default inside the .icons directory and put the index.theme file from the cursor theme in there
[01:05] <MobyTurbo> ohgood, even the 2D driver?
[01:05] <lunitik> ogra: gcursor help needed if you're not busy  :)
[01:05] <ohgood> MobyTurbo: i cp'd the original xorg.conf back and it won't load x.
[01:05] <ogra> lunitik, nope
[01:05] <ogra> lunitik, whatsup
[01:05] <lunitik> ogra: *points at mfraase*
[01:06] <marcin_ant> lunitik: so what is the best way to _browse_ windows shares in ubuntu?
[01:06] <MobyTurbo> ohgood, you're sure it uses the nv driver?
[01:06] <[Rain] > I cant get "gksudo nautilus" to come up in tree mode, but just "nautilus" does come up in tree mode, whats goin on?
[01:06] <lunitik> marcin_ant: I usually use firefox ... smb://servername/ ... when it decided to work... else smbmount
[01:06] <lunitik> ogra: lunitik: got it, installed it, it's asking for source directories (I'm a newbie in case that's already not obvious)
[01:07] <ogra> mfraase, just drag and drop the tar.gz you have on the gcursor win
[01:07] <ohgood> MobyTurbo: the default xorg.conf is set to 'nv', yes. no, the ddriver isn't installed correctly, i'll assume since the HOWTO's instructions failed, also, kernel-rouces for 2.6.10.x aren't available in apt.
[01:07] <lunitik> ogra: ignore me... I thought you were having trouble finding what he needed  :)
[01:07] <ogra> mfraase, (the tar.gz with the cursor theme you downloaded anywhere)
[01:08] <HillTop> thoreauputic, I guess I don't know what I'm doing :)    I'm stuck on step 6:  File Browser: Office
[01:08] <HillTop> File Menu -> Create Launcher
[01:08] <armando> Yay!
[01:08] <ogra> mfraase, or if you are fine with what is there, just select the theme you like
[01:08] <MobyTurbo> ohgood, rm -rf / isn't likely to make things progress quicker.
[01:08] <armando> Hy everyone! Im a new Ubuntu user :)
[01:08] <marcin_ant> lunitik: ok I didn't know that ffox supports smb but then what is the name of my own serwer?
[01:08] <marcin_ant> lunitik: smb:///localhost doesn't work
[01:08] <armando> Need some help though configuring a broadcom wireless network card on a laptop.
[01:08] <ohgood> MobyTurbo: if you know of a sources.list that includes 2.6.10 headers, i'll bite, otherwise...
[01:08] <ogra> mfraase, note that you need to log out and in again to make it active
[01:09] <thoreauputic> HillTop: are you using hoary?
[01:09] <lunitik> marcin_ant: haha... well... you can use 'smb://localhost/' or 'smb://ipaddr/'
[01:09] <mfraase> ogra, lunitik, I got it to work by copying the *.theme file to ~/.icons/default/ so long as that doesn't screw anything else up, I'm satisfied. But this is a bug in the preview distribution
[01:09] <bdr> armando: what's the problem with it?
[01:09] <andrewski> ohgood: you don't need headers!
[01:09] <MobyTurbo> ohgood, unfortunately I'm running warty, I value stability, so I can't give you much x.org advice.
[01:09] <Dakko> If I upgrade from Warty to Hoary, will I have to re-configure ndiswrapper and its drivers/configuration?
[01:09] <ohgood> andrewski: it's starting to look like it does.
[01:09] <lunitik> mfraase: you're telling the right person then... he's the maintainer  :)
[01:09] <armando> bdr: its not detecting it as a wireless card.  Its under the device list at the bottom but says its unknown.
[01:09] <thoreauputic> HillTop:  cat /etc/issue to see if you have warty or hoary
[01:09] <HillTop> thoreauputic, Warty. And I found a window under other stuff: named Office with what I needed next.  So onward....  :)
[01:10] <ohgood> andrewski: fair enough.
[01:10] <ogra> mfraase, its the same that gcursor does pon drag n drop....
[01:10] <ogra> s/pon/on
[01:10] <bdr> armando: is that using ndiswrapper and the windows driver? That's all I know how to do...
[01:10] <andrewski> ohgood: i've only said it a handful of times....
[01:10] <MobyTurbo> ohgood, you only need headers if you're installing the nvidia.com driver.
[01:10] <ogra> mfraase, so you made it right then ;)
[01:10] <ohgood> andrewski: i've heard you.
[01:10] <armando> bdr: ok, im on a major learning curve.  Ive heard of that but how do I install/use ndiswrapper?
[01:11] <lunitik> marcin_ant: I didn't say smb:///localhost
[01:11] <ogra> mfraase, i'll look at it, if there is really a bug, thanks for reporting :)
[01:11] <MobyTurbo> ohgood, what chipset does your card have?
[01:11] <thoreauputic> HillTop: I personally think putting an HTML editor under "Office" is a little odd, but what would I know ? ;-)
[01:11] <lunitik> marcin_ant: two '/''s
[01:11] <marcin_ant> lunitik: ok ok but smb://localhost/ failed too
[01:11] <mfraase> ogra, lunitik: thanks for the help... ogra: it worked fine with warty but broken with two hoary installs on two different Sony laptops
[01:12] <bdr> armando: Probably best to google for the wireless card's chipset first to see if it has native Linux support
[01:12] <ohgood> MobyTurbo: gforce 2 MX or so
[01:12] <armando> bdr: no good what i found out on the wiki? I believe it doesnt from the wireless cards supported list.
[01:12] <lunitik> marcin_ant: IP?
[01:12] <jogariga> i just installed ubuntu, but i need some other packages. How can i get them with apt-get?
[01:13] <marcin_ant> lunitik: firewall.... propably....
[01:13] <ohgood> MobyTurbo: this is the howto i followed. it fails at 'nvidia-glx-config enable' http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:13] <MobyTurbo> ohgood, TNT and MX cards had some problems with the previous two versions of nvidia's drivers. Try the latest from nvidia.com if you can get headers or source.
[01:13] <lunitik> jogariga: apt-cache search what_you're_looking_for ... apt-get install what_you_want
[01:13] <mfraase> ogra: basic hoary preview install results in what looks like a 64x64 pixel block that looks like television static for a cursor. It tracks properly, and the upper left corner works, but it's painful. (thanks again)
[01:13] <ohgood> MobyTurbo: lol- i can't get the headers though!
[01:13] <ogra> mfraase, you mean gcursor ? or the theme itself ? the latter is a known bug
[01:13] <MobyTurbo> ohgood, that assumes of course that the nvidia driver in Hoary is not the buggy one. I don't know if it is.
[01:13] <bdr> armando: if it doesn't, apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils and follow the instructions here : http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/phpwiki/index.php/Installation
[01:13] <jogariga> lunitik: it says that it doesn't find it
[01:13] <thoreauputic> jogariga: you'll probably want to enable the universe repository as well
[01:14] <lunitik> jogariga: what are you looking for?
[01:14] <MobyTurbo> ohgood, can you get the source? The source is the same as the headers, except more other stuff. :-)
[01:14] <ohgood> MobyTurbo: it's 6111. i'm using 6629 (gentoo) now, with no errors.
[01:14] <jogariga> lunitik: ethereal
[01:14] <mfraase> ogra: No, I installed gcursor to try to resolve the problem but it turned out I was too stupid to use it.
[01:14] <ogra> mfraase, ah, that sounds more like a X server issue, you could try to set the HWCursor option in your xorg.conf
[01:14] <andrewski> ohgood: do you have linux-restricted modules installed?
[01:14] <ohgood> MobyTurbo: did you see the howto i posted ?
[01:14] <lunitik> jogariga: in /etc/apt/sources.list ... uncomment the universe line... then apt-get install ethereal
[01:15] <armando> bdr: thanx :) I will try that :)
[01:15] <mfraase> ogra: it's working with the manually copied *.theme file so I don't want to upset the applecart.
[01:15] <jogariga> lunitik: thanks
[01:15] <MobyTurbo> ohgood, I've seen that howto and use it myself, but I'm on Warty so my versions are different than yours.
[01:15] <ohgood> andrewski: i have no idea, i ddin't install anything myself.
[01:15] <lunitik> jogariga: gah... prior to apt-get install ... apt-get update
[01:15] <HillTop> thoreauputic, OpenOffice has an editor, so I guess it is there to compete head to head.   But I can't get Nvu to launch - past the make profile. Oh well.
[01:15] <andrewski> ohgood: well, i think you may have to.  that's necessary for nvidia to run.  (i'm reading that howto you posted, but didn't think to mention that before.)
[01:15] <ogra> mfraase, ok, but it rather sounds like a HWCursor issue :)
[01:16] <blizah> anyone familiar with dmraid?
[01:16] <ogra> mfraase, but if it works now, leave it  ;)
[01:16] <andrewski> ohgood: on the other hand, you could still post the error you're getting when X won't load.  that would help debug this much faster. :P
[01:16] <[Rain] > will it be possible to upgrade from the hoary preview release to the hoary final release?
[01:16] <ohgood> andrewski: let me mount ubuntu's / ...
[01:16] <andrewski> ohgood: ok.
[01:16] <HillTop> thoreauputic, I gotta restart GNOME.  brb
[01:16] <nathan2> ok, i accidentally grabbed the livecd my friend had instead of the installer for hoary....is there a way to dump it on the hard drive?
[01:16] <bdr> [Rain] : yes. I upgraded from warty preview -> final fine
[01:16] <lunitik> [Rain] : yes... with a simple 'sudo apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade'
[01:16] <thoreauputic> HillTop: try launching it from a terminal to see any errors
[01:17] <[Rain] > ok cool, cuz I didnt want to put too much effort into my preview if that wasnt the case
[01:17] <thoreauputic> HillTop: if it's in /opt you might need the full path
[01:17] <nathan2> i remember knoppix made it easy to install on the hard drive...
[01:17] <lunitik> [Rain] : second apt-get should be sudo apt-get again
[01:18] <HillTop> thoreauputic, It starts with the make profile thingy window - it is confuusing, I made a directory to put it in but then nothing.  brb
[01:18] <ohgood> andrewski: http://68.32.245.96/~oclv/misc/
[01:18] <MobyTurbo> ohgood, I remember on Debian sid I had to get nivida.com's drivers, and the bug list for nvidia.com's latest says it fixed bugs with older GPUs, such as TNT2 and GF MX that had previously had problems.
[01:18] <andrewski> ohgood: what the heck is that parse error on line 1?
[01:18] <ohgood> andrewski: got me
[01:19] <andrewski> ohgood: what's on line 1 in your file?
[01:19] <jogariga> lunitik: yes it worked thanks
[01:19] <Fackamato> keffo: spamma probs
[01:19] <jogariga> lunitik: can i upgrade firefox to 1.0.1 with apt-get?
[01:20] <ohgood> andrewski: you mean xorg.conf or... ?
[01:20] <lunitik> jogariga: if you're using hoary... yes
[01:20] <andrewski> ohgood: yes, xorg.conf.  what's the first line?
[01:20] <DoppelGanger> # hehe
[01:20] <ohgood> andrewski: refresh, ~oclv/misc/xorg.conf
[01:21] <lunitik> ohgood: why is that there?
[01:21] <andrewski> ohgood: hmm, i have no idea what that means, but that's the error causing it not to load.
[01:21] <lunitik> as proven... grr... dumb
[01:21] <andrewski> lol
[01:21] <Dakko> If I upgrade from Warty to Hoary, will I have to re-configure ndiswrapper and its drivers/configuration?
[01:21] <andrewski> ohgood: that's the default xorg.conf?
[01:21] <ohgood> andrewski: yes
[01:21] <andrewski> ohgood: strange.
[01:21] <Quest-Master> Dakko: Most likely not.. I can't confirm though
[01:22] <ohgood> lunitik: why is what / where ?
[01:22] <Dakko> That's been the most excruciating experience of Linux so far :) Don't want to do it again soon :)
[01:22] <jogariga> lunitik: how do i do it?
[01:22] <lunitik> ohgood: never mind
[01:22] <ohgood> ok
[01:22] <bdr> Dakko:Probably nothing more than an ndiswrapper -e, ndiswrapper -i. You probably should install ndiswrapper 1.1 anyway, it's got loads of bugfixes apparently
[01:22] <nathan2> can anyone tell me how to install hoary on my hard drive with a hoary livecd?  or if it's even possible?
[01:23] <andrewski> ohgood: i'd join #xorg and ask about that.  once you get X working default, that howto should be fine for setting up nvidia/glx, but you shouldn't need to run nvidia-glx. :)
[01:23] <lunitik> jogariga: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox for individual... apt-get update && apt-get upgrade for everything else too
[01:23] <andrewski> ohgood: i actually have to go now; good luck!
[01:23] <ohgood> andrewski: aye. me too
[01:23] <andrewski> ohgood: l8r
[01:23] <ohgood> thanks for the effoert andrewski
[01:25] <runedude> how do I close X with gdm again?
[01:25] <madstop> My question is the reverse of jogariga's -- what's the best way, in hoary, to replace the upgraded(and buggy) firefox with firefox 1.0?
[01:25] <HillTop> thoreauputic, OK this Nvu is going to take some thinking to get going. It is all just the profile thing. :(
[01:25] <runedude> it's like in /etc/gdm or something
[01:25] <runedude> I forgot :|
[01:26] <thoreauputic> HillTop: I wonder if it's a version problem - mine installed without issues
[01:26] <keffo> hm /etc/init.d/gdm stop / start
[01:26] <blizah> YAYAYAYAYA you can get ubuntu to see your SATA RAID windows device
[01:26] <blizah> wooohoo
[01:26] <blizah> sry bout that
[01:26] <marcin_ant> lunitik: ok - I got it now - my firewall was blocking
[01:26] <marcin_ant> lunitik: but another problem
[01:26] <runedude> thanks keffo
[01:26] <bdr> madstop: I just downloaded the installer from mozilla.org and put it in /usr/local/firefox. Works great, and the font rendering is far better than the ubuntu version
[01:26] <runedude> thanks
[01:26] <runedude> bye
[01:26] <marcin_ant> lunitik: I can see shared folder but cannot browse it at all
[01:27] <thoreauputic> HillTop: mine is version 0.80
[01:27] <marcin_ant> lunitik: maybe you know what to do with this problem?
[01:27] <HillTop> thoreauputic, It is installed and launches. I got the icon and all. I just don't know what to put for profile. I say make one and none gets made.  I have version 0.70
[01:27] <madstop> Thanks bdr!  the ubuntu version is pulling a vanishing act on my downloads, and I don't trust it...
[01:28] <HillTop> thoreauputic, I have used Nvu on a livecxd and like it, but I can't even get to a help screen. :(   I have a visitor, so will be off line for about a hour or so.  Thanks
[01:29] <raveneye> Hi, does anyone knows if there's a problem with sound preview in Hoary?
[01:29] <thoreauputic> HillTop: do you have firefox or mozilla open? try closing them
[01:29] <bdr> madstop: the ubuntu version makes Slashdot look seriously ugly, too. even worse than normal
[01:29] <thoreauputic> HillTop: OK
[01:29] <bdr> raveneye: I have never,ever,ever been able to make sound preview work on any GNOME distro.
[01:30] <blizah> how would i get a program dmraid to load on startup and set up the drive mounting (that dmraid detects) on startup?
[01:30] <blizah> ive made a bash file do it...
[01:30] <raveneye> bdr, it *was* working in warty...
[01:30] <bdr> grr, latest fontconfig hoary upgrade won't install
[01:31] <bdr> raveneye: Really? How did you make it work?
[01:31] <raveneye> worked out of the box
[01:31] <raveneye> bdr, got sox installed?
[01:31] <bdr> raveneye: I must be cursed I guess. Stuff always seems to break around me.
[01:31] <raveneye> check if you got sox
[01:32] <bdr> "sox is already the newest version."
[01:32] <thoreauputic> bdr: for sound preview of mp3 and wav, install sox
[01:32] <thoreauputic> oops sorry
[01:32] <raveneye> thoreauputic, i have. doesnt work
[01:32] <GFXstyLER> hi
[01:33] <raveneye> in warty when you hovered over a *mp3
[01:33] <GFXstyLER> has already someone got 3d for ati radeon mobility 9600 to work?
[01:33] <raveneye> you got a subthread sox working that did the trick
[01:33] <GFXstyLER> i know that 3d works for ati 9800 cards etc, but i want to know if it works for radeon mobility 9600 too
[01:34] <thoreauputic> raveneye: I have warty - preview works on mp3 and wav, but not ogg for some inscrutable reason
[01:34] <raveneye> now i get a "zombie" nautilus sub thread
[01:34] <Butters|XGH|Snip> Is there anyway to fix my sound??  I updated yesterday and now it sounds all fake...I can't tell where people are in CS now because I can hear everything all over the map
[01:35] <raveneye> thoreauputic, lucky you
[01:35] <Butters|XGH|Snip> I wasn't doing that till I updated
[01:35] <salgado> I've just built the at76c503a-source package, using make-kpkg modules_image but am getting a "version magic '2.6.8.1 686 gcc-3.3' should be '2.6.8.1-5-k7 preempt K7 gcc-3.3'" when trying to load the module. what can I do to build the module with the correct version magic?
[01:37] <GFXstyLER> LOL
[01:38] <kyc> woo i'm running hoary right now, runs and looks great
[01:38] <kyc> so smooth and fast
[01:39] <kyc> can i assume the install version of hoarty runs the same as the livecd?
[01:39] <GFXstyLER> i would use it immediately but i need 3d because iam a 3d app developer ... damn why i got a notebook with ati graphics card :/
[01:39] <armando> ok, downloading the drivers now with help from bdr :)
[01:39] <farruinn> is anyone else having trouble logging into the ubuntu wiki?
[01:39] <GFXstyLER> kyc: yes it should nearly be the same
[01:39] <bdr> kyc: apparently not if your name is madstop
[01:40] <armando> bdr: got ndiswrapper installed and found the drivers needed for the card I have with the PCI id.
[01:40] <kyc> gfxstyler: i'm running ati and am also a graphics developer. works fine on my laptop
[01:40] <madstop> I meant to say hoary, not warty.
[01:40] <Errejo> what's the easiest way to uninstall something that I installed using apt-get ?
[01:40] <farruinn> Errejo: apt-get remove
[01:40] <GFXstyLER> kyc: you got ati radeon mobility 9600 ? w00t!?
[01:40] <thoreauputic> Errejo: sudo apt-get remove <package>
[01:40] <bdr> armando: it's working ok - you're typing over wireless?
[01:40] <Errejo> thanks farruinn !
[01:40] <GFXstyLER> Errejo: apt-get remove blabla ?
[01:41] <kyc> gfxstyler: think so, i have an inspiron 1150
[01:41] <Errejo> guess I should have figured that one myself :D
[01:41] <thoreauputic> GFXstyLER: the blabla package should never be removed! *g*
[01:41] <armando> bdr: not yet. Have it pluged in.
[01:42] <armando> bdr: but was able to follow the instructions from ndiswrapper.  Now downloading the drivers.
[01:42] <madstop> kyc, 64bit hoary is extremely fast.  Installs fast too.
[01:42] <farruinn> This is weird, I've reset my password twice for the wiki but it still won't let me sign in
[01:42] <armando> bdr: but once I download em and open the file, do I need to make apermanent directory for it or can I expand it on the desktop and then delete?
[01:43] <bdr> armando: you can just put it in a temp directory: "ndiswrapper -i" on the driver .inf file will copy it to /etc/ndiswrapper automatically for you
[01:44] <gfxstyler> kyc: r u sure that u got an ati ? i cannot find anything on the net about it :)
[01:44] <kyc> madstop: well i only have x86 :P
[01:44] <kyc> gfxstyler: i'm sure it's an ati, look up dell inspiron 1150
[01:44] <armando> bdr: ok thanx :)
[01:45] <kyc> gfxstyler: i haven't tried any 3d with it yet, looking for it now. wonder if it has bzflag preinstalled
[01:45] <gfxstyler> kyc: try blender
[01:45] <gfxstyler> if it runs slow as hell, u dont got 3d :D
[01:45] <kyc> gfxstyler: good point :) is the blender install easy for linux?
[01:45] <HrdwrBoB> glxinfo
[01:45] <madstop> hoary's running great (though with annoying quirks) on my amd64, but it managed to break my other, older laptop.  Back to warty for that machine
[01:45] <HrdwrBoB> glxgears
[01:46] <HrdwrBoB> are the standard tests
[01:46] <gfxstyler> kyc: apt-get install blender or something like this (i did a search for blender in synaptic and got it)
[01:46] <kyc> glxgears runs smooth as pie
[01:46] <kyc> smoother in fact :P
[01:46] <gfxstyler> kyc: how many fps?
[01:47] <kyc> gfxstyler: doesn't say but it rotates like one of those paper windmills (but really fast, like those toy things)
[01:47] <madstop> What does "FATAL: Module We're a laptop" mean?
[01:48] <bdr> kyc: it will give the FPS in the terminal window you typed glxgears in
[01:48] <kyc> o wait it does say, i forgot to look at the console window: min 500 fps, max 2000 fps
[01:48] <gfxstyler> kyc: it even does without 3d acceleration :)
[01:48] <kyc> well do you know of any better benchmarks? other than installing blender, i'm lazy hehe
[01:48] <gfxstyler> kyc: thats not that fast, my other computer with nvidia gets 6000-8000 :D but the hell with it, im downloading hoary now
[01:48] <ssam> ooo distrowatch says array cd 7 is out
[01:49] <gfxstyler> kyc: the best benchmark for me: tuxracer *lol*
[01:49] <kyc> gfxstyler: hehe well it's not installed
[01:50] <gfxstyler> kyc: if fglrxinfo does not show up with "mesa" then everything is alright
[01:50] <crschmidt> I accidentally blew away the firefox theme that comes with ubuntu
[01:50] <crschmidt> is it on the website anywhere?
[01:50] <kyc> gfxstyler: is that a command? fglrxinfo commant not found
[01:50] <thenuke> it is in the repositories
[01:50] <thenuke> apt-get
[01:50] <armando> bdr: how do I check the system log?
[01:50] <thenuke> synaptci
[01:50] <thenuke> synaptic
[01:51] <thenuke> is used to install software in to ubuntu
[01:51] <gfxstyler> kyc: if u install the ati fglrx drivers then u have this command
[01:51] <gfxstyler> kyc: i found out that if u have hoary and install the ati fglrx driver everything runs much smoother (user interfaces, etc)
[01:51] <kyc> gfxstyler: no i just loaded up the cd a few minutes ago. do i find it thorugh apt-get?
[01:52] <gfxstyler> kyc: yes but i have to tell u that if u do anything wrong with that u can trash your x-server (and thats bad), i trashed mine for 5 times already *lol*
[01:52] <armando> Can anyone tell me where I can see the system log?
[01:53] <gfxstyler> armando: do you mean dmesg ?
[01:53] <bdr> armando: tail -n X /var/log/syslog, where X is the number of lines you want to see
[01:53] <armando> gfxstyler: yup thats what I need :)
[01:55] <kyc> gfxstyler: http://www.bafsoft.com/hosted/grandmachina/projects/chronoDoll.0.1.1.zip
[01:55] <kyc> gfxstyler: that's my openGL physics demo, it runs fine for me
[01:56] <sic|> anyone know of an app that will look at two directories and compare the contents and give you a report...like dircmp command?
[01:56] <gfxstyler> kyc: i guess u have 3d then :D runs fine for me too
[01:57] <kyc> gfxstyler: hehe cool, are you on windows right now? you ran my app pretty quickly
[01:57] <gfxstyler> kyc: yes iam... very funny to kick these little boys around *lol*
[01:58] <kyc> gfxstyler: hehe it's weird in ubuntu my demo feels and looks a lot better than on windows :P
[01:58] <madstop> I can't understand why the screenshot applet keeps trying to force me to save to the desktop, or in "file system"  Damned stupid design.
[01:59] <gfxstyler> madstop: i can't understand why i cannot do a screenshot with [print]  at all
[02:00] <LinuxJones> gfxstyler, PrintScrn doesn't work for you ?
[02:00] <ollie> is anyone using a sound blaster audigy 2 with hoary?  I've seen people both saying it works and others saying not.
[02:00] <josue> is there a light email client? evolution, and thunderbird take too much ram.
[02:00] <ollie> would like to know before I go buy one ;-)
[02:00] <ssam> madstop, is that the new save file dialog`
[02:00] <gfxstyler> LinuxJones: if i press the [print]  button on my keyboard it does not do anything if you meant that
[02:00] <josue> Also, that can be minimized to a tray icon.
[02:00] <ssam> you should be able to fold down a traditional view
[02:00] <madstop> yeah, that would be nice.   Kde has a great screenshot applet; don't know if that works with [print]  either though
[02:00] <kyc> one thing though, fonts don't look as smooth in linux, do i need to turn on smoothing in the options?
[02:01] <LinuxJones> gfxstyler, maybe you don't have the correct keyboard selected ?
[02:01] <madstop> yes, ssam, the save file dialog-- it's a pain in the neck!  useless
[02:01] <gfxstyler> kyc: u can set font smoothing in the options somewhere
[02:01] <ssam> kyc you should be able to turn it on
[02:01] <ssam> in the fonts control panel
[02:01] <kyc> ssam i see it thanks
[02:01] <gfxstyler> kyc: i have subpixel highlighting activated for lcd, looks DAMN good
[02:02] <ssam> in the save box, click browser other folders
[02:02] <kyc> gfxstyler: holy crap, it does look good
[02:02] <sic|> so no one knows of a dircmp type app?
[02:02] <ssam> kyc :-)
[02:03] <ssam> if you put drop shadows on its almost as cool as mac os x
[02:03] <gfxstyler> ssam: but they only work with nvidia cards
[02:03] <farruinn> sic|: midnight commander maybe if I understand you right
[02:03] <majortool> whats the name of the init config file?
[02:03] <farruinn> sic|: the package is mc
[02:03] <ssam> mine work on an ati radeon 9000 64mb, with the open souce driver
[02:04] <sic|> farruinn, I cp'ed a dir and got some i/o errors and wanted to compare to see what is missing
[02:04] <gfxstyler> ssam: but the performance should be low
[02:04] <sic|> farruinn, drive is going bad...  :(
[02:04] <madstop> I'm about fed up with gnome.  may go to kde, visual overkill and all.  It's just better thought out than gnome.
[02:04] <blizah> hrm i havent done anything to ubuntu..but my sound has stopped working
[02:04] <gfxstyler> madstop: for kde u may have a look at "kubuntu"
[02:04] <blizah> or at least my headphones..
[02:05] <farruinn> sic|: oh, the quick way to do that is 'ls /original/directory > original ; ls /new/direcotory > new ; diff original new'
[02:05] <gfxstyler> madstop: or try xfce 4.2 (i like it more than gnome, kde or anything else)
[02:05] <madstop> damn, I just realized though, I think I may have killed xorg on my other laptop with kubuntu, though.  Anyway, that was the last thing I installed before it went kerplooey...
[02:05] <zeff> has anyone else's mouse slowed to a crawl since upgrading X on warty?
[02:05] <sic|> farruinn, probelm is it is 108Gb worth of files
[02:05] <gfxstyler> blizah: what ubuntu do u use? hoary?
[02:05] <blizah> warty
[02:06] <gfxstyler> blizah: i had this problem only on hoary (polypaudio sucks!)
[02:06] <madstop> Yes, gfxstyler, xfce 4.2 is excellent!  Nice design
[02:06] <farruinn> sic|: hm, well maybe 'ls /dirA | wc -l' and compare that to 'ls /dirB | wc -l'
[02:06] <riddley> I'm using the AMD64 port of Hoary and my fonts are completely nuts with QT apps... any pointers?
[02:07] <farruinn> sic|: that will tell you the number of lines of output from ls in both cases, if it's the same you're fine
[02:07] <mdke> someone has changed my password at ubuntulinux.org. How can this be?
[02:07] <farruinn> mdke: is it telling you to reset your password as well?
[02:07] <pcybill> mdke: same here as well
[02:07] <mdke> farruinn, it is suggesting it yes
[02:07] <mdke> omg
[02:08] <mdke> we have the worst website of any distro
[02:08] <pcybill> lol
[02:08] <farruinn> must be something up with the server
[02:08] <pcybill> agree with farruinn
[02:08] <mdke> yeah guess so
[02:08] <ssam> no, try an get any info out of the yellowdog linux site
[02:08] <mdke> lol
[02:08] <gfxstyler> mdke: i like the ubuntu website :) fast and simple
[02:08] <mdke> gfxstyler, but it doesn't work
[02:09] <gfxstyler> mdke: well i didnt know that, sorry
[02:09] <mdke> gfxstyler, you frequently get "page not found" after logging in on the wiki, and there are caching problems too
[02:09] <majortool> does anyone know the name of the init config file
[02:10] <Nobuyuki`> hoy ubuntu people
[02:10] <mdke> hi Nobuyuki`
[02:10] <chapter3> hey all, i'm trying to install the mplayerplug-in, and it says it requires the mozilla-devel package, but i can't find that package to install
[02:10] <pcybill> hoy Nobuyuki
[02:11] <Nobuyuki`> first time trying a linux distro since I was a kid, actually installing it now on a 10 year old computer
[02:11] <mdke> Nobuyuki`, cool
[02:11] <usual> fontconfig broken in hoary?
[02:11] <farruinn> Nobuyuki`: _10_ years old?
[02:11] <Nobuyuki`> farruinn:  that is correct
[02:12] <Nobuyuki`> if I remember right the CD drive I took out of it (busted servo on the caddy) said manufactured feb 1995
[02:12] <mdke> you're gonna put ubuntu on it?
[02:12] <mdke> crazy but cool
[02:12] <Nobuyuki`> yeah, well I'm trying
[02:12] <gfxstyler> mdke: lol
[02:12] <Nobuyuki`> the only kink I have on it right now is that it didn't detect the ISA NIC
[02:12] <Nobuyuki`> and I came in here wondering:  does ubuntu support ISA at all?
[02:12] <kenvandine> ISA?
[02:12] <kenvandine> yikes
[02:13] <kyc> btw to automount my partitions i can just edit the startup script right?
[02:13] <thoreauputic> Nobuyuki`: IIRC there's a package called isapnp or isapnp-tools
[02:13] <pcybill> everyone is googling right now Nobuyuki be just a sec lol
[02:13] <Nobuyuki`> I googled it up and although I found a few forum posts on the 'net there was no conclusive answer which is why I'm asking you guys
[02:13] <mjg59> What do you mean by support ISA?
[02:13] <gfxstyler> kyc: u could write them to the fstab
[02:13] <chapter3> hey all, i'm trying to install the mplayerplug-in, and it says it requires the mozilla-devel package, but i can't find that package to install
[02:14] <gfxstyler> chapter: do a look for mozilla in synaptic
[02:14] <Nobuyuki`> thoreauputic:  I'm on that page right now.  I'm wondering if the tools will help me!  There's a tool specifically for the exact card I'm using so I'm excited and crossing my fingers
[02:14] <mjg59> There's no hardware autodetection for ISA, but should be for PNP cards
[02:14] <thoreauputic> Nobuyuki`: apt-cache search says the package is "isapnptools"
[02:14] <usual> fontconfig broken in hoary?
[02:14] <kyc> omfg....ubuntu is a godsend, it works with my wacom tablet!!!
[02:14] <thierry> I think my ubuntu is not working with the UTF-8 charset... how can I check that and maybe fix it
[02:15] <thoreauputic> Nobuyuki`: whether it helps you I don't know...
[02:15] <mdke> thierry, dpkg-reconfigure locales
[02:15] <mdke> thierry, sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[02:15] <Nobuyuki`> mjg59:  thanks for that info.  once the OS loads up I'll attempt to install the tools for ISA NIC's, and I'll tell you guys how it turns out (or if I get stuck) XD
[02:15] <mjg59> With 2.6 kernels, you shouldn't use isapnptools
[02:15] <mjg59> The kernel will set the cards up automatically
[02:15] <armando_> ANybody know a good WiFi SSID locator for ubuntu?
[02:16] <thoreauputic> mjg59: ah, interesting
[02:16] <Nobuyuki`> well, the installer didn't detect the ISA NIC so I'm wondering if I should try those tools anyway
[02:16] <Nobuyuki`> here's the page I came up with:  http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/hoary/net/nictools-nopci
[02:16] <gfxstyler> kyc: thats nice to hear since i thought about getting a wacom tablet in the future too
[02:17] <kyc> gfxstyler: yep :) there's no pressure sensitivity right now but i might be able to conifgure gimp for that. it's not too important anyway
[02:17] <pinPoint> how good is ubuntu
[02:17] <pinPoint> is it recent and supports most hardware
[02:17] <pinPoint> like my Dell laptop wireless nic
[02:17] <[Rain] > blah hoary has locked up 3 times for me today
[02:17] <gfxstyler> how much time would it take to install & configure ubuntu completely? i only have 1 day
[02:18] <kyc> pinpoint: yep, it's supporting my wacom tablet when knoppix, fedora, and mandrake failed to do so
[02:18] <gfxstyler> pinPoint: good is relative
[02:18] <housetier> thierry you can "sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales" and select as many locales as you want, then make one the default
[02:18] <kyc> bbl, thanks for the help guys
[02:18] <pinPoint> kyc: sounds promising since mdk is whining over my nic
[02:18] <gfxstyler> pinPoint: for myself ubuntu is the best distro ever
[02:18] <usual> will fontconfig being broken break anything else?
[02:18] <mdke> website is back dudes
[02:18] <pinPoint> linux?
[02:18] <madstop> is it my imagination, or is the universe repository kind of outdated for a lot of apps?
[02:18] <neighborlee> anyone here good with chanserv commands..I really could use help identifying as a contact on a channel ( yes its my own channel)...thx anyone ;-)))
[02:19] <ollie> perhaps a silly question, but if I install or remove a sound card, should hoary pick it up and do the right thing? or do I need to configure it?
[02:19] <armando> anyone able to help me to set up wifi radar in ubuntu, please? :)
[02:19] <gfxstyler> madstop: the universe repository has no support thats why
[02:20] <madstop> reason I ask gsxstyler, is because only an older version of xfce is in there.
[02:20] <PacoBCN> 109 updates right now, and this morning other 90
[02:20] <PacoBCN> wow
[02:20] <housetier> thierry as for xchat use "/charset utf-8" for now, and also have a look at this: http://xchat.org/encoding/
[02:20] <gfxstyler> madstop: yes you have to get it somewhere else
[02:20] <riddley> what's the package that asks you if you have an LCD or a normal monitor (for font rendering)
[02:20] <gfxstyler> madstop: need a link?
[02:20] <madstop> yes please gfxstyler
[02:20] <ssam> riddley, try the font control panel in gnome
[02:20] <[Rain] > what is the different between synaptic update manager and ubuntu update manager?
[02:21] <PacoBCN> why so many updates today?
[02:21] <madstop> I used the older xfce briefly with warty, and I liked it.  But I ended up trashing that install.
[02:21] <mdke> PacoBCN, because the devs are flair :)
[02:21] <gfxstyler> madstop: http://www.os-cillation.com/article.php?sid=36
[02:21] <PacoBCN> hehe
[02:21] <thoreauputic> PacoBCN: I think array 7 is out
[02:21] <madstop> Thanks gfxstyler !
[02:21] <riddley> ssam: that's not what I mean...
[02:21] <DarthFrog> PacoBCN: Getting cloes to release time and the developers are active. :-)
[02:21] <PacoBCN> I just wish I had more computers to install Ubuntu agaun
[02:21] <PacoBCN> again
[02:21] <PacoBCN> :D
[02:22] <mdke> PacoBCN, steal them!
[02:22] <ssam> you should break into people house in the night and install it
[02:22] <riddley> I'm using the AMD64 port of Hoary and my fonts are completely nuts with QT apps... any pointers?
[02:22] <gfxstyler> PacoBGN: i for myself really like updates :D its like getting candy
[02:22] <mdke> ssam, wicked id
[02:22] <mdke> *ea
[02:22] <PacoBCN> mdke, all the ones I have are stolen
[02:22] <PacoBCN> :D
[02:23] <ssam> gasp, its true, irc is full of criminals
[02:23] <mdke> lol
[02:23] <mdke> yep
[02:23] <mdke> i read that somewhere...
[02:23] <PacoBCN> gfxstyler, yes, for me it's like "well, I don't know what, but it will work better"
[02:23] <[Rain] > what is the different between synaptic update manager and ubuntu update manager?
[02:23] <PacoBCN> :D
[02:23] <ssam> slashdot?
[02:23] <gfxstyler> PacoBGN: lol
[02:23] <mdke> lol
[02:23] <ssam> [rain]  not much
[02:23] <ssam> they should both do the same thing
[02:24] <[Rain] > they should just merge them into one update tool then
[02:24] <PacoBCN> many updates but still I get killed in Enemy Territory :D
[02:24] <mdke> [Rain] , one has greater flexibility
[02:24] <ssam> the update tool just does updates
[02:24] <mdke> gotta love the add/remove programs tool
[02:24] <GammaRay> does the shipped kernel in warty have ufs2 support?
[02:24] <ssam> its very easy to use and you cant bork your system with it
[02:24] <mdke> one in the eye for windows users, to find out that it is actually possible to ADD programs with that tool
[02:25] <madstop> is "ubuntu update manager" the thing that shows an icon in the notification area?  That's pretty cool.  I like.
[02:25] <ssam> lol
[02:25] <mdke> windows -> control panel -> add/remove programs >.<
[02:25] <armando> Anyone able to help me with my wireless card? It doesnt seem to link up to any network :(
[02:25] <mdke> what type?
[02:25] <GammaRay> and if it did... would the ufs "sub partitions" be seen as extended partitions? or what?
[02:26] <gfxstyler> armando: mine doesnt too .. its like its dead and gets no signal
[02:26] <mdke> lol
[02:26] <armando> gfxstyler: yup :(
[02:26] <mdke> there he goes
[02:26] <mdke> armando, what type card?
[02:26] <[Rain] > too me an entire day to get my wireless usb adapter to work
[02:26] <PacoBCN> I went to have dinner tonight and I realized that half of the people sittin in my table (6) are Ubuntu users :D
[02:26] <mdke> i took 2 weeks on a usb adsl modem once
[02:26] <kerframil> usual: I'm having that problem too
[02:27] <armando> its a broadcom laptop wireless card.
[02:27] <mdke> PacoBCN, cool
[02:27] <mdke> armando, do you know the chipset?
[02:27] <PacoBCN> mdke, yes, and I didn't count my gfriend who uses my laptop :D
[02:27] <mdke> armando, lspci
[02:27] <mdke> PacoBCN, you obviously go to geek dinner parties
[02:27] <usual> kerframil, I'm sure it's no big deal and will be fixed fast, but I am curious if I should logout of X, does fontconfig have any bindings to x?
[02:27] <ssam> my girlfriend runs ubuntu
[02:27] <armando> mdke: Yup, located a bunch of drivers for it and loaded wdiswrapper.
[02:27] <mdke> usual, kerframil, known problem i believe
[02:27] <kerframil> mdke: no doubt
[02:27] <ssam> (the ultimate geek brag)
[02:27] <kerframil> usual: it shouldn'
[02:28] <GFXstyLER> damn windows
[02:28] <kerframil> usual: sorry
[02:28] <cef> armando: what sort of networks? I've not been able to get mine to connect to anything encrypted, or anything in the 802.11a range yet
[02:28] <[Rain] > ssam, I think the fact that you have a girlfriend is more impressive
[02:28] <usual> np
[02:28] <armando> mdke: Yes, it is encrypted.
[02:28] <mdke> hmm
[02:28] <kerframil> usual: I daresay it's a bug in the post-install script but I'm not intimately familiar with Debian's package system yet - hard to say
[02:28] <PacoBCN> mdke, at all, just normal people
[02:28] <mdke> armando, with ndis shouldn't be a problem
[02:28] <armando> cef: It is encrypted.
[02:28] <mdke> PacoBCN, i want your friends
[02:28] <ssam> no, the fact that she still lets me mess with her laptop
[02:28] <PacoBCN> mdke, but I recommended Ubuntu since it was warty beta
[02:28] <bluefoxicy> anyone know how to make an opencd?
[02:29] <armando> mdke: what if its an encrypted network? how do I know its looking for a network in the first place?
[02:29] <riddley> any ubuntu devs in here?
[02:29] <cef> armando: yeah.. I'm not sure what to suggest there. in the same boat
[02:29] <mdke> riddley, they have their own channel
[02:29] <mdke> they are special
[02:29] <LinuxJones> riddley, #ubuntu-devel
[02:29] <gfxstyler> they are aliens
[02:29] <madstop> man, every time hoary updates, I hold my breath -- seem to be getting more and more error messages
[02:29] <cef> armando: actually, scratch that, I've got an atheros chipset, not broadcom
[02:29] <mdke> gfxstyler, aliens who are a force for good tho ;)
[02:29] <PacoBCN> I saw many updates of "hal" lately
[02:29] <ssam> mark shutleworth is from space
[02:29] <armando> cef: ok :)
[02:30] <cef> armando: but same symptoms
[02:30] <riddley> thanks
[02:30] <gfxstyler> mdke: yes u are right hehe
[02:30] <kerframil> usual: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7815
[02:30] <usual> ty
[02:30] <pcybill> ssam: that would explain a great many things =)
[02:30] <thoreauputic> mdke: from a small planet near alpha-centauri ?
[02:30] <gfxstyler> madstop: everytime i updated it ran better than before
[02:30] <Nobuyuki`> so far, running on the seat of my pants.... not sure whether or not this 2gb hd will be enough room for the packages and swap XD
[02:30] <mdke> thoreauputic, :)
[02:30] <mdke> Nobuyuki`, heh
[02:31] <mdke> Nobuyuki`, how much ram?
[02:31] <ssam> who needs swap?
[02:31] <Nobuyuki`> 48mb
[02:31] <mdke> hmm
[02:31] <gfxstyler> lol
[02:31] <mdke> he does
[02:31] <ssam> oh, you need swap
[02:31] <farruinn> it let you run the installer?
[02:31] <madstop> is there some reason why ubuntu doesn't want me to save to my home folder????  I'm getting tired of dragging stuff off the desktop!
[02:31] <Nobuyuki`> yeah right now it's extracting the packages on the first bootup
[02:31] <farruinn> Nobuyuki`: warty or hoary?
[02:31] <Nobuyuki`> hoary
[02:31] <mdke> madstop, yes that is annoying, i'm sure there is a solution
[02:31] <gfxstyler> madstop: you have to set this in the firefox settings
[02:32] <mdke> oh yeah in firefox sure
[02:32] <ssam> its the new save box in gnome
[02:32] <gfxstyler> madstop: extras/settings/downloads
[02:32] <ssam> its a pain
[02:32] <mdke> ssam, heh
[02:32] <armando> took of security
[02:33] <armando> see if that lets me connect.
[02:33] <cef> Nobuyuki`: well it should be.. when I installed ubuntu on my machine (and while it was installing) I was checking the disk free in the spare terminal, and it never seemed to go over 1.7 GB
[02:33] <madstop> gfxstyler, actually I'm still referring to screenshots, not firefox.  Firefox I can handle (and that's a bug that will get fixed) The save file dialog in gnome though, just cludgy and annoying
[02:33] <ssam> i am sure gnome will start making a one button mouse soon
[02:33] <mdke> armando, were you following a howto or something?
[02:33] <armando> mdke: for ndiswrapper yes.
[02:33] <mdke> madstop, yeah screenshots default to desktop too :(
[02:33] <armando> mdke: but after that im not sure what to do aside from downloading the radar to locate the server.
[02:33] <PacoBCN> be careful, there are dependenc problems in last updates
[02:34] <cef> Nobuyuki`: but then again, df most likely doesn't show up programs using temp space
[02:34] <gfxstyler> madstop: oh, didnt know this, i wiped out ubuntu a week ago ... but now i wipe out windows in a few minutes hehe
[02:34] <ssam> madstop can you click browse for other folders, in the save box
[02:34] <madstop> like many dialogs in gnome; everything seems designed to waste as much of the user's time as possible.  Adding or moving applets on the panels, likewise inefficient
[02:34] <armando> mdke: but thats going to have its own set of problems considering I have absolutely no idea what Im doing.
[02:34] <thoreauputic> ssam: haha - yeah and a dialogue that pops up and says "You seem to be trying to configure GNOME - this is not a Good Idea (tm)"
[02:34] <mdke> madstop, i agree. Also once you save a screenshot to home, it doesn't remember your settings
[02:35] <mdke> armando, are there no native drivers for your card?
[02:35] <madstop> Exactly, mdke.
[02:35] <ssam> and "you want to edit menus, eh. dont"
[02:35] <mdke> ssam, that is not intentional i believe ;)
[02:35] <mdke> madstop, lets browse in gconf
[02:36] <ssam> i know, i love gnome
[02:36] <thoreauputic> install imagemagick and do ' import -window root `
[02:36] <ssam> and i love its mac os classic feel
[02:36] <armando> mdke: i think so, but used the first one that supported the pci id that I found.
[02:36] <madstop> heh, gconfig, yeah, that's user friendly to browse through!  That damn thing is one of the reasons I take a lot of screenshots!
[02:36] <cef> editing menus tends to break on major version updates.. which should only happen when moving from release to release.. since hoary is still not final, this can technically happen every second day
[02:37] <mdke> madstop, just trying to work around...
[02:37] <riddley> what's the kde equivalent of gnome-control-center ?
[02:37] <cef> price you pay for running bleeding edge
[02:37] <mdke> cef, ?
[02:37] <ssam> kontrol-kenter?
[02:37] <mdke> cef, what is?
[02:37] <riddley> kcontrol
[02:37] <thoreauputic> Knome?
[02:37] <cef> mdke: editing menus vanishing
[02:37] <madstop> sorry mdke, I thought you were comparing the usability, not suggesting a way to change defaults!  my bad
[02:37] <cef> mdke: edited even
[02:37] <mdke> cef, no it isn't, that is not planned for the 2.10 release
[02:38] <mdke> cef, editing menus is permanently off the menu until 2.12
[02:38] <cef> mdke: ahh ok.. well, that'
[02:38] <mdke> iirc
[02:38] <ssam> someone in the forums (punkass?) has made a python menu adder
[02:38] <mdke> oh
[02:38] <mdke> tell him to post it in the relevant bug and maybe they'll get it in intime for hoary
[02:38] <cef> mdke: ahh ok.. well, that's just my opinion anyway.. based on the way it happens in other dists too
[02:39] <thoreauputic> I suggest all error messages should be identical, and read "Havoc doesn't want you messing with GNOME" *grin*
[02:39] <madstop> mdke, I know there's a way to better control screenshots via the terminal, but I forgot the commands
[02:39] <ssam> and in theory you can now have a generic menu editor for all desktops
[02:39] <cef> mdke: and I don't just mean in gnome, kde does it like that too
[02:39] <mdke> cef, i agree that in development systems things can go wrong. But this isn't an example ;) and they were complaining about some features in gnome, rather than bugs ;)
[02:39] <mdke> but all in all it is pretty good let's face it
[02:40] <cef> mdke: I currently triple-boot this machine.. ubuntu, debian, XP (spit!)
[02:40] <mdke> whoa
[02:40] <mdke> how come?
[02:41] <PacoBCN> weird problems upgrading Hoary:
[02:41] <PacoBCN> E: fontconfig:  el subproceso post-installation script devolvi el cdigo de salida de error 10
[02:41] <PacoBCN> E: libfontconfig1:  problemas de dependencias - se deja sin configurar
[02:41] <PacoBCN> E: xbase-clients:  problemas de dependencias - se deja sin configurar
[02:41] <PacoBCN> E: x-window-system-core:  problemas de dependencias - se deja sin configurar
[02:41] <PacoBCN> E: xterm:  problemas de dependencias - se deja sin configurar
[02:41] <mdke> PacoBCN, yes
[02:41] <PacoBCN> mdke, did it happen to you too?
[02:41] <PacoBCN> Now I'm affraid of restarting X
[02:41] <mdke> haven't tried yet
[02:41] <JDigital> how do i shot web
[02:41] <mdke> PacoBCN, heh
[02:41] <usual> shot web?
[02:42] <mdke> PacoBCN, this is a good time to go to bed and update in the morning
[02:42] <PacoBCN> kill the internet?
[02:42] <madstop> yeah, I'm seeing a lot of those messages too, though no en el idioma de Cervantes...
[02:42] <cef> mdke: had to tell ubuntu's grub to use the debian kernel images via the symlinks (/vmlinuz et al), so that kernel upgrades on debian don't require so much work, and of course removing grub from debian so it doesn't overwrite the boot setup
[02:42] <PacoBCN> mdke, probably you're right but I wanted to kill some nazis with Enemy Territory
[02:42] <PacoBCN> :S
[02:42] <mdke> PacoBCN, hmm
[02:42] <cef> mdke: XP? cos of work.. debian, cos I do stuff in debian that I'm not sure ubuntu is ready for yet.. and anyway, it's good to look at how the other side works
[02:43] <mdke> k
[02:43] <cef> mdke: which is why in debian I'm using primarily using KDE.. *grin*
[02:43] <mdke> ah i c
[02:43] <mdke> well you could test kubuntu on the other partition
[02:43] <madstop> A lot of awesome open source apps are available in Windows these days.  It's for them that I keep using it.
[02:44] <mdke> hmm
[02:44] <armando> think I found it!
[02:44] <cef> mdke: true.. mebbe in the future.. currently, I'
[02:44] <JDigital> hahah, ##1111111111 is sure filling up
[02:44] <cef> mdke: true.. mebbe in the future.. currently, I'll stick with this setup
[02:44] <mdke> my problem with windows is that i've lost my system restore cds and its getting harder and harder to install illegal versions
[02:44] <thoreauputic> madstop: open source apps available for Win and not Linux ? Such as?
[02:45] <jacques> i get a segmentation fault on all multimedia apps. any suggestions?
[02:45] <mdke> illegal makes me feel dirty
[02:45] <GFXstyLER_> mdke: illegal is dirty
[02:45] <cef> mdke: well this is on a toshiba, so I got XP Pro installed on it by default
[02:45] <GFXstyLER_> :)
[02:45] <cef> thoreauputic: OpenOffice?
[02:45] <mdke> gfxstyler, yeah you're right
[02:45] <madstop> not - easily, for me - available in ubuntu, thoreauputic .  I'm too dumb for wine, not every developer, believe it or not, is working in *nix.
[02:45] <cef> thoreauputic: oh woops.. missed the'not'
[02:46] <thoreauputic> cef: :)
[02:46] <mdke> madstop, ;)
[02:46] <madstop> Keynote (tranglos software), WxWikiserver, BSPlayer (freeware, not open),
[02:46] <madstop> Foobar2000 (linux audio players are a joke compared to that)
[02:47] <cef> thoreauputic: I need XP for work.. tends to be hard to support or develop applications for windows in non-windows environments
[02:47] <thoreauputic> madstop: I'm just curious as to which open source apps are availab;e only for windows...
[02:47] <spiraloid> has anyone had any difficulty using a custom xfce install after upgrading to hoary preview? will I need to compile/install again?
[02:47] <madstop> I just listed some
[02:47] <thoreauputic> cef: sure
[02:47] <Nobuyuki`> thoreauputic:  check /vb/ section of planet source code ;D
[02:48] <thoreauputic> ah - vb - i see :)
[02:48] <kerframil> thoreauputic: there are a few here and there, CDex springs to mind (which is rather good as it goes)
[02:48] <cef> thoreauputic: I'm actually going to try running XP under some sort of emulator.. I've already set up XP to support different hardware profiles, so that if I run it under some sort of virtual machine, I won't screw up the drivers when I run it natively
[02:48] <madstop> I held off trying linux for quite a while, because hey, open office runs fine in windows, you can even get gimp in windows
[02:48] <Nobuyuki`> I do my programming almost exclusively in vb cause it's easy and fast to get what I want done... however if there were such a basic variant that worked well on all modern OS's I'd jump on it
[02:48] <nvashi2> what are the best gnome based wed design tools -graphics creators/editors/viewers, html/php/xml/java editors [wysiwyg optional, prefer to code] 
[02:48] <armando> Ok, found some new drivers for the wireless card to see if thats it. How can I uninstall the current ones from ndiswapper and install the new ones?
[02:49] <gfxstyler_> basic? nah i go for c++ :D
[02:49] <cef> Nobuyuki`: well VB is going away anyway.. you'll need to use vb.net at least
[02:49] <Nobuyuki`> cpp takes too long for me to do anything with it... I have this problem with being lazy and having a short attention span
[02:49] <Nobuyuki`> also, I hate vb.net
[02:49] <LinuxJones> Nobuyuki`, there is always Python
[02:49] <cef> Nobuyuki`: looked at delphi/kylix?
[02:49] <Nobuyuki`> no user deserves to download a 24mb runtime file you didn't tell them about beforehand to use your '60kb' .NET app
[02:50] <madstop> and, forgetting the obvious superiority of the basic linux operating system to windows, the fact is in many ways WinXp is a much less aggravating desktop manager than gnome.
[02:50] <Nobuyuki`> I looked at delphi, it looks nice but the syntax is pretty old
[02:50] <madstop> at least when tweaked with non-microsoft products
[02:50] <Nobuyuki`> right now my eye's on a thing called PureBasic, which recompiles to ASM on the platforms available to it (currently:  Windows, Linux, AmigaOS)
[02:50] <spiraloid> that's why i use xfce :)
[02:50] <cef> Nobuyuki`: interesting
[02:51] <neighborlee> Nobuyuki: hmmmm nice
[02:51] <Nobuyuki`> problem is it's not free
[02:51] <cef> Nobuyuki`: doh!
[02:51] <Nobuyuki`> still cheaper than VB was XD
[02:51] <Nobuyuki`> like, 39 bucks
[02:51] <cef> ok.. time for lunch, bbk
[02:51] <cef> $39 isn't too bad.. USD I'm guessing
[02:51] <neighborlee> Nobuyuki`: be nice if they ever port blitz3d to linux...
[02:52] <Nobuyuki`> blitz pisses me off for a number of reasons
[02:52] <Nobuyuki`> I used to be a beta tester before the first windows version of blitz was released
[02:53] <Nobuyuki`> the one most nagging thing about blitz is that its community is unfriendly
[02:53] <JDigital> 1111110893
[02:53] <Nobuyuki`> a lot of people are out to make a profit on their crap and so therefore if you want some tools to make your life easier programming the thing you either get a response of "be grateful for what sibly [the main programmer]  gives you" or "buy my tool"
[02:53] <farruinn> is there a way to change the "default" gtk+ theme so I don't have to run gnome-settings-daemon in other windowmanagers?
[02:54] <farruinn> I don't understand why,but I run gnome-settings-daemon & from a terminal but when I close the terminal it kills the daemon
[02:54] <Nobuyuki`> dudes.  this thing's taking forever to unpack
[02:55] <thoreauputic> I listened to an interview with Mark Shuttleworth on lugradio - I like his attitude to the community, and his emphasis on excellence rather than profit as his goal
[02:55] <farruinn> I think a .deb is just a .tar.gz...
[02:55] <thoreauputic> farruinn: you killed the parent process?
[02:55] <spiraloid> what does it mean when apt reports that a package is being 'held back'?
[02:56] <madstop> Uh, what's the name of that program you use to change convert other distro's packages to .deb ?
[02:56] <calc> alien
[02:56] <thoreauputic> spiraloid: it means it needs a new package as a dependency that it can't find, usually
[02:56] <mdke> thoreauputic, presumably he would want to make some money out of the project?
[02:56] <thoreauputic> madstop: alien
[02:57] <madstop> ah, that's it, thanks thoreauputic
[02:57] <farruinn> thoreauputic: shouldn't the & make it run in the background though?
[02:57] <spiraloid> strange.. i'm just going through an apt -s dist-upgrade, and it reports x-window-system-core as one of those (the other is ntfstools).. will that be a problem?
[02:57] <inphlict> I'm having trouble with getting mplayer, I have no sound with it
[02:57] <spiraloid> I'm preparing to upgrade to hoary preview
[02:57] <inphlict> Anyone know any fixes
[02:57] <thoreauputic> mdke: yes, but not necessarily right away (he's filthy rich anyway ;) )
[02:57] <inphlict> I have hoary preview
[02:57] <LinuxJones> farruinn, that should be make & :)
[02:57] <mdke> thoreauputic, link pls?
[02:57] <mdke> to radio cast
[02:57] <gfxstyler> hnphlict: i may know why
[02:57] <inphlict> tell me pls :)
[02:58] <thoreauputic> mdke: for lugradio?
[02:58] <mdke> google?
[02:58] <thoreauputic> mdke: hang on a tic
[02:58] <gfxstyler> inphlict: in gnome system monitor is there a process called "polypaudio" running?
[02:58] <mdke> thoreauputic, i'll find it hopefully
[02:58] <gfxstyler> inphlict: i had that process too, after i killed the polypaudio process i had my sound back :)
[02:58] <HillTop> thoreauputic	I'm back. :)    I start Nvu and the choose user profile window comes up. I can't get beyond it. I made a profile for myself but Start Nvu seems to do nothing.
[02:59] <inphlict> gfxstyler: No
[02:59] <JDigital> Happy 1111111111 everyone!
[02:59] <inphlict> Nothing like that is running
[02:59] <gfxstyler> inphlict: oh then im sorry for that
[02:59] <inphlict> :(
[02:59] <madstop> dependency problems... fontconfig is not configured yet... blah blah blah.
[02:59] <mdke> thoreauputic, found it
[02:59] <inphlict> I read something about system hijacking sound when it first turns on
[02:59] <^thehatsrule^> whoa... lotsa ppl here
[02:59] <HillTop> thoreauputic	In fact when I try it again the profile I made is gone.
[02:59] <inphlict> I get an error about sound being used in mplayer
[03:00] <^thehatsrule^> i have a question, in the ubuntu installation, can you select which to install?
[03:00] <thenuke> inphlict: :( so you system must be hijacked then?
[03:00] <gfxstyler> ^thehatsrule^: how is that meant?
[03:00] <pcybill> HillTop: run this command and try again to run.  sudo chown -R username .nvu
[03:00] <inphlict> I have no idea I'm a noob
[03:00] <thoreauputic> mdke: episode 7
[03:00] <^thehatsrule^> or does it install everything on the cd at once?
[03:00] <inphlict> but thats what I read from the forum :(
[03:00] <^thehatsrule^> i mean like packages :P
[03:01] <thenuke> inphlict: well, I wonder why you don thave sound :)
[03:01] <crb> you can do a base only install with 'server' at the boot prompt
[03:01] <thenuke> what are you trying to play?
[03:01] <crb> and then apt-get the stuff you want
[03:01] <gfxstyler> ^thehatsrule^: no not really
[03:01] <HillTop> pcybill -- where username is my user?
[03:01] <pcybill> aye
[03:01] <thenuke> do you have codecs for what ever media you are trying to play
[03:01] <mdke> thoreauputic, cool thanks
[03:01] <farruinn> ^thehatsrule^: I think if you do custom it will put you into aptitude at the end
[03:01] <mdke> thoreauputic, that looks like it has loads of awesome stuff
[03:01] <^thehatsrule^> oh, so its too much of a hassle to do i guess?
[03:01] <mdke> thoreauputic, also an interview on kubuntu
[03:02] <gfxstyler> ^thehatsrule^: you would have to install in expert mode, there you can select if you want additional packages installed or not
[03:02] <farruinn> ^thehatsrule^: you're probably better off installing everything then apt-get removing what you don't want as you use the system
[03:02] <^thehatsrule^> whoa, thenuke you use ubuntu? :P
[03:02] <thenuke> ^thehatsrule^: atm, no
[03:02] <thoreauputic> mdke: yeah, it's interesting - if you can follow the htread with all of them talking over each other *grin*
[03:02] <^thehatsrule^> ah... so it would be expert on boot
[03:02] <mdke> thoreauputic, really...
[03:02] <mdke> thoreauputic, i will listen with interest
[03:03] <thenuke> ^thehatsrule^: why do you ask thing like that
[03:03] <gfxstyler> ^thehatsrule^: but you want to have an x-server, right? so i would say that you better install everything and remove the stuff you dont like later
[03:03] <thoreauputic> mdke: yeah, the guys who run the show like to talk all at once - but the Shuttleworth interview is good
[03:03] <^thehatsrule^> cause, i dont have much space left, after partitioning
[03:04] <gfxstyler> ^thehatsrule^: how much space is that?
[03:04] <goxy> how make intel 536ep work on ubuntu
[03:04] <Butters|XGH|Snip> Is there anyway to get file-roller to unrar .rar files?
[03:04] <^thehatsrule^> 2gb
[03:04] <^thehatsrule^> approx?
[03:04] <Riddell> mdke: what's this about an interview on kubuntu?
[03:04] <gfxstyler> ^thehatsrule^: i guess that should be enough, but not sure
[03:04] <madstop> I could have sworn that gnome in warty used to remember where I would put my windows; in hoary, terminal always opens where I don't want it...
[03:05] <^thehatsrule^> mmmk
[03:05] <JDigital> How do I run quake on lunix
[03:05] <JDigital> and Malice
[03:05] <mdke> Riddell, thoreauputic showed me lugradio, they have an interview on kubuntu
[03:05] <^thehatsrule^> and also what i think is weird... is that ubuntu is giving out free cds?!
[03:05] <JDigital> because I just found that I have original copies of both
[03:05] <Riddell> mdke: with whom?
[03:05] <madstop> hell, even windows manages to remember where I want my windows...
[03:05] <goxy> i make intel536.ko module insert it make links to dev.modem but modem not works any sugestions
[03:05] <mdke> Riddell, with jeff waugh
[03:06] <pe7er> happy 11111111111111 *
[03:06] <Riddell> mdke: right
[03:06] <thoreauputic> ^thehatsrule^: not weird, clever - the user base is buiding fast
[03:07] <gfxstyler> yes and i like it hehe
[03:07] <^thehatsrule^> i just may order a cd just because of having it :/
[03:07] <^thehatsrule^> lol... they need a phone number?
[03:07] <gfxstyler> ^thehatsrule^: why dont you share the cds?
[03:07] <thoreauputic> ^thehatsrule^: the idea is to order a few and give them to friends
[03:08] <^thehatsrule^> oh i see..
[03:08] <Butters|XGH|Snip> Is there anyway to get file-roller to unrar .rar files?   Anybody ????
[03:08] <^thehatsrule^> is the phone # neccessary?
[03:08] <DarthFrog> ^thehatsrule^: You do know that Mark Shuttleworth, the driving force behind Ubuntu, got $500 million from Verisign, for the sale of Thawte Consulting?  This is how he chooses to spend it.   That, and going up in the space shuttle. :-)
[03:08] <^thehatsrule^> file-roller?
[03:08] <thoreauputic> ^thehatsrule^: probably not
[03:08] <^thehatsrule^> hm..
[03:08] <^thehatsrule^> well.. ill install it on school systems haha
[03:09] <Butters|XGH|Snip> I want a gui based unrar program... I can do it on the terminal now
[03:09] <^thehatsrule^> if it works how i like it
[03:09] <^thehatsrule^> use a file manager Butters|XGH|Snip?
[03:09] <^thehatsrule^> add a custom command, like unrar -x %f i assume?
[03:09] <[Rain] > ok so wow, that was the 4th time hoary has locked up today
[03:09] <Butters|XGH|Snip> ^thehatsrule^, hmm I can add commands to file-roller?
[03:10] <thoreauputic> ^thehatsrule^: the problem is specific to rar - unrar
[03:10] <^thehatsrule^> ive never used file-roller hehe
[03:10] <thoreauputic> Butters|XGH|Snip: you can add scripts to Nautilus
[03:10] <gfxstyler> is ubuntu able to unrar password secured files?
[03:10] <^thehatsrule^> why dont you use like emelfm?
[03:11] <madstop> Does anyone know if there's any kind of *nix emulator that one can run in a window in WindowsXp?
[03:11] <^thehatsrule^> wait, did you get the one at www.rarlabs.com or is this one different?
[03:11] <Butters|XGH|Snip> I'd rather just use what I already have really....theres gotta be a simple way to do it
[03:11] <madstop> just for learning *nix commands, etc
[03:11] <thoreauputic> ^thehatsrule^: probably because it's gtk 1.2 and looks kind of odd (nice file manager though)
[03:11] <[Rain] > madstop: qemu
[03:11] <^thehatsrule^> well theres a gtk2 version of emelfm as well
[03:11] <thoreauputic> madstop: cygwin
[03:11] <Butters|XGH|Snip> lol qemu....took me a while to get running
[03:12] <[Rain] > yea its sorta slow but it works well
[03:12] <gfxstyler> if i cannot get ubuntu hoary up and running within 1 day my girlfriend will kick the hell outta me :/
[03:12] <^thehatsrule^> vmware is your best bet :)
[03:12] <Butters|XGH|Snip> yeah can ubuntu use the accelerator thing they have out?
[03:12] <thoreauputic> ^thehatsrule^: ah Ok - didn't know that - thanks
[03:12] <Butters|XGH|Snip> vmware costs to much... qemu = free
[03:12] <^thehatsrule^> well, vmware beta 5 is free right now
[03:12] <Butters|XGH|Snip> lol right now
[03:13] <^thehatsrule^> :P
[03:13] <^thehatsrule^> its been for a while
[03:13] <^thehatsrule^> so dunno
[03:13] <madstop> googling qemu; thanks [Rain] .  thoreauputic , I tried cygwin before; kind of resource heavy, and I'm not looking for a gui, just a terminal, with an editor maybe
[03:13] <MobyTurbo> of course, you could be like me and be microsoft-free so you don't need to worry about running things in vmware.
[03:13] <^thehatsrule^> cygwin is developed by redhat... its fine for a terminal and editor
[03:13] <Butters|XGH|Snip> QEMU -    http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/index.html
[03:14] <Butters|XGH|Snip> [Rain] , does the accelerator work on ubuntu?
[03:14] <MobyTurbo> ^thehatsrule^, vi and emacs have regular Windows versions too.
[03:15] <madstop> ok, I'll check into QEMU, and cygwin -- I do remember I loved cygwin's download system, very easy
[03:15] <HillTop> pcybill	-- thank you.
[03:15] <^thehatsrule^> lol, well madstop wants it :P
[03:15] <MobyTurbo> ^thehatsrule^, I used to use gvim when running Windows.
[03:15] <Butters|XGH|Snip> Qemu was pretty simple...I just figured out I'm a major dumbass when it comes to very easy things
[03:15] <Butters|XGH|Snip> lol
[03:15] <^thehatsrule^> lol
[03:16] <Butters|XGH|Snip> I can't figure out stuff that doesn't make me think
[03:16] <Butters|XGH|Snip> lol
[03:16] <rever> Can someone help  me I installed Call of Duty and when I try to start it. i get that I don't have opengl loaded. How can I load this?
[03:16] <goxy> i make intel536.ko module insert it make links to dev.modem but modem not works any sugestions
[03:16] <gfxstyler> anyone got a ov511 cam working on ubuntu ?
[03:16] <Butters|XGH|Snip> lol
[03:17] <thoreauputic> Butters|XGH|Snip: I fail anything labeled "child-proof"  ;-)
[03:17] <goxy> i make intel536.ko module insert it make links to dev.modem but modem not works any sugestions
[03:17] <Butters|XGH|Snip> LOL
[03:17] <Butters|XGH|Snip> COD won't run without Cedega/Point2Play
[03:17] <^thehatsrule^> why not?
[03:17] <Butters|XGH|Snip> oh and 3D drivers
[03:17] <Butters|XGH|Snip> lol
[03:17] <rever> I have cedega installed
[03:17] <Butters|XGH|Snip> what version?
[03:17] <^thehatsrule^> isnt it quake3 based?
[03:17] <rever> 4.3
[03:17] <gfxstyler> isnt COD quake3 engine?
[03:17] <MobyTurbo> rever, what kind of video card do you have?
[03:17] <^thehatsrule^> hah
[03:18] <thoreauputic> goxy: /dev/modem probably doesn't exist - you might need a symlink from /dev/ttyS0 or similar
[03:18] <gfxstyler> lol i cannot get 3d to run on my notebook with ubuntu anyways
[03:18] <rever> MobyTurbo, 6600GT I did the recomplile instuctions on the forum to get nvidia driver buit
[03:18] <Butters|XGH|Snip> if COD is on the Q3 engine they've modified the hell out of it...because Q3 looks nothing like COD at all...COD is smooth
[03:18] <^thehatsrule^> q3 is smooth
[03:18] <MobyTurbo> rever, do you get the nvidia logo and is glxgears fast?
[03:18] <^thehatsrule^> 1998-1999
[03:18] <Butters|XGH|Snip> rever, I have a 6800 GT and I had that problem
[03:18] <gfxstyler> no u can recognize q3 when you play COD
[03:19] <crb> Update: Kickstart works well in Hoary preview, but the %packages section seems to not work.
[03:19] <crb> Anyone know if it's meant to?
[03:19] <^thehatsrule^> its like mohaa
[03:19] <Butters|XGH|Snip> rever, don't rcompile the drivers with any of the patches
[03:19] <thoreauputic> goxy: like  sudo ln -s /dev/ttyS0 /dev/modem
[03:19] <madstop> thanks for the info on emulators folks.  I'm one of these weirdos who learns best with a tv on for background noise, and my Windows box is my tv :)
[03:19] <rever> Butters|XGH|Snip, I followed the instructions on Ubuntus website. thread 12823
[03:20] <Gato> hello
[03:20] <Butters|XGH|Snip> oh so your using the 6629
[03:20] <MobyTurbo> madstop, you can use a TV tuner card in Linux too. tvtime+libdscaler is the way I prefer.
[03:20] <rever> MobyTurbo, Yeap glxgears flies for me.
[03:20] <Butters|XGH|Snip> rever, what speed you getting on glx?
[03:20] <gfxstyler> is there some equalizer for ubuntu ?
[03:20] <MobyTurbo> rever, I don't know then - I've never messed with cedega.
[03:20] <Gato> who can help me????
[03:20] <gfxstyler> like on windows i can use soundman.exe
[03:20] <Butters|XGH|Snip> lol ask your question
[03:20] <^thehatsrule^> kmix alsamix gfxstyler?
[03:20] <Butters|XGH|Snip> I play all my games on Point2Play/Cedega
[03:20] <crb> gfxstyler: theres one on the panel, else try alsamixer ?
[03:21] <MobyTurbo> gfxstyler, ceck out the context menu for the volume control in the upper right
[03:21] <MobyTurbo> check*
[03:21] <^thehatsrule^> lol
[03:21] <madstop> MobyTurbo, I was under the impression that ATI all-in-wonder cards were not usable in linux...
[03:21] <gfxstyler> yes thats volume control but no equalizer lol
[03:21] <MobyTurbo> madstop, I have a Happauge card.
[03:21] <^thehatsrule^> it is usable
[03:21] <madstop> and like a moron, I keep buying ATI
[03:21] <Butters|XGH|Snip> rever, how many fps you getting with glxgears?
[03:22] <gfxstyler> ati + linux = sucks! screw it! i hate ati i wish i would never bought that crap!
[03:22] <Butters|XGH|Snip> LOL I said that when I bought my 9600
[03:22] <Butters|XGH|Snip> look where I am no....lol.... 6800 GT OC
[03:22] <rever> Butters|XGH|Snip, Well I was able to run it now it gives and error about glx
[03:22] <MobyTurbo> madstop, the lowest price Happauge tv card is $50, and it works well in Linux - better with tvtime+libdscaler than the windows software that comes with  it!
[03:22] <madstop> next project for Mr Shuttleworth:  buy ATI!
[03:23] <MobyTurbo> Hauppauge*
[03:23] <rever> I am going to reboot.
[03:23] <gfxstyler> my nvidia works without any troubles ... lol but ati .. omg
[03:23] <DarthFrog> madstop: Much cheaper just to buy a enw Nvidia card. :-)
[03:23] <Butters|XGH|Snip> lol
[03:23] <Gato> i have a problem, when to switch on the computer show that : modprobe: FATAL: Error inserting pciehp(/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-5-386/kernel/drivers/pci/hotplug/pciehp.ko): Operation not permitted
[03:23] <Gato> modprobe: FATAL: Error inserting shpchp(/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-5-386/kernel/drivers/pci/hotplug/shpchp.ko): Operation not permitted
[03:23] <Butters|XGH|Snip> I got my 6800 GT OC for $300
[03:23] <Gato> what is this????
[03:23] <Butters|XGH|Snip> new in the box too
[03:23] <LinuxJones> Gato, you can ignore those
[03:23] <Butters|XGH|Snip> PCI X ???
[03:24] <gfxstyler> the problem is that i cannot change my ati card because i would have to buy a new notebook
[03:24] <MobyTurbo> there are cheap nvidia cards too.
[03:24] <MobyTurbo> gfxstyler, bummer
[03:24] <^thehatsrule^> ived tried ati with linux long ago...
[03:24] <^thehatsrule^> on my 8mb card
[03:24] <gfxstyler> lol
[03:25] <^thehatsrule^> worked tho... dri with 3d sort-of worked
[03:25] <^thehatsrule^> much slower... for some reason
[03:25] <Fackamato> xine doesn't show my subtitles
[03:25] <Fackamato> mplayer does, but screws the picture
[03:25] <Fackamato> kaffeine doesn't help, and totem sucks
[03:25] <Fackamato> ;(
[03:25] <zerovertex> ... i wish there were a ubuntuguide.org for ppc.
[03:25] <madstop> I was amazed years ago to actually get the ati video tuner working in BeOs, with somebody's patch.  amazing.  ugly, but worked.
[03:26] <zerovertex> half of that stuff works for ppc... the other half... don't
[03:26] <goxy> i make it its a link to node /dev/536ep
[03:26] <madstop> Fackamoto, that's why some genius needs to port Bsplayer from windows to linux
[03:26] <goxy> this way works on fedora
[03:26] <goxy> and mdk
[03:27] <goxy> but for ubuntu not
[03:27] <goxy> i cant see what is diference
[03:27] <MobyTurbo> old ATI Rage Pro 128 cards probably had the best 2D Linux acceleration ever, but of course nowadays videocard makers concentrate on 3D accel.
[03:27] <tjs> where is the package msttcorefonts? I have deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main universe restricted   as my source
[03:27] <tjs> but I cant find it
[03:28] <kapputu> fuck windows
[03:28] <^thehatsrule^> lol
[03:28] <gfxstyler> i hope grub does not make any troubles because of the mbr, then i neither have linux nor windows
[03:28] <LinuxJones> tjs, add multiverse
[03:28] <tjs> LinuxJones, cheers :)
[03:28] <_case> is anyone else having issues with eterm on an ibook ?
[03:29] <tjs> kapputu, dont cut your knob fucking windows dude
[03:29] <tjs> all that glass..
[03:29] <gfxstyler> lol
[03:29] <regeya> !
[03:29] <kapputu> tjs that was an order to u
[03:29] <regeya> settle down!
[03:29] <rever> Butters|XGH|Snip, I get 7200 give or take 100
[03:29] <gfxstyler> lool
[03:29] <kapputu> read carefully
[03:29] <^thehatsrule^> oh crap
[03:30] <^thehatsrule^> theres already another version comoing out in april?
[03:30] <madstop> Linuxers should really get over the childish "fuck windows" stuff.  It gets old.
[03:30] <Gato> LinuxJones, i have other problem: when I see a movie and try listen music in xmms. the xmms send the message : "pleace check that: your sound card is configured properly, you have the correct output plugin selected and no other program is blocking the soundcard
[03:30] <gfxstyler> yes hoary is coming out in april
[03:30] <regeya> indeed
[03:30] <^thehatsrule^> windows sitll will always have its uses :P
[03:30] <kapputu> madstop: I just had a stupid problem with windows and I said that in frustration
[03:30] <goxy> right now this modem works on fedora core 3
[03:30] <regeya> indeed madstop
[03:30] <neighborlee> ^thehatsrule^: damn if I know what they are
[03:30] <^thehatsrule^> dang... i just dont know if i should order like 3 cds now
[03:30] <farruinn> Gato: make sure you're using esd for output
[03:30] <neighborlee> ^thehatsrule^: heh
[03:30] <farruinn> Gato: or Esound as xmms calls it
[03:30] <LinuxJones> Gato, your probably using OSS and not alsa
[03:30] <goxy> but in ubuntu it doesnt
[03:30] <madstop> well, kapputu, if you'd said, fuck Gates, I'd have agreed with you
[03:30] <goxy> what to so
[03:30] <Gato> i use alsa
[03:30] <regeya> there are uses for windows...fortunately I don't have any need for it
[03:31] <^thehatsrule^> heh
[03:31] <neighborlee> regeya: the few I have im trying to RID myself of LOL
[03:31] <^thehatsrule^> i like oss
[03:31] <LinuxJones> Gato, ok run gstreamer-properties and select alsa as the output sink device
[03:31] <gfxstyler> ^thehatsrule^: you can update anytime to it via apt-get dist-upgrade , so u dont have to set up a new system then
[03:31] <madstop> (except when Gates has his "cure diseases in the 3rd world" hat on... ;-)
[03:31] <kapputu> madstop: a mad , gay rapist wouldn't touch him
[03:31] <Gato> ok
[03:31] <regeya> I won't say Gates is all bad.  When's the last time Linus or RMS gave a few bil to charity?
[03:31] <kh4nh> hi guys, what's diffrent between GUI and graphical frontend
[03:31] <^thehatsrule^> yes, but some places where im at dont get good inet
[03:31] <neighborlee> regeya: the nasty hurdle atm is msaccess which I started using years ago for invoicing business needs and now I must find way out LOL
[03:31] <HrdwrBoB> regeya: when was the last time they had 10 billion ;)
[03:31] <LinuxJones> Gato, make that default sink "Output"
[03:31] <gfxstyler> kh4nh: there is no
[03:32] <regeya> heh
[03:32] <kapputu> regeya: when was the last time that Linux had a BSOD
[03:32] <_case> jesus christ
[03:32] <gfxstyler> LOL
[03:32] <_case> what is this
[03:32] <_case> #15yrolds-for-ire
[03:32] <Butters|XGH|Snip> LOL
[03:32] <madstop> if Gates hadn't had this asinine concept of "intellectual property (read: steal what was free, dumb it down, and lock it up) he could have achieved incredible things
[03:32] <thoreauputic> regeya: they might have - you just didn't hear because they don't trumpet it to the world with a PR megaphone
[03:32] <kapputu> _case: even though u meant hire, ire is just fine in this ase
[03:32] <_case> shut up about what platform is better than the next, it's like a pissing contest, it gets so old
[03:32] <inphlict_> Hey can someone help me with mplayer pls
[03:32] <Gato> how????
[03:32] <regeya> kapputu: I've had a kernel-panic since the last time I saw a BSOD.  it's a sore subject. ;-)
[03:33] <kh4nh> i just install mlDonkey and mlDonkey-gui, after that i couldn't fire up mlDonkey-gui
[03:33] <_case> kapputu, no i ment ire
[03:33] <regeya> kapputu: in case you hadn't noticed, v2.6 is the development kernel
[03:33] <inphlict_> I have no sound and I get audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy
[03:33] <Fackamato> mplayer, xine, totem
[03:33] <kapputu> _case: ire for hire?
[03:33] <Fackamato> what other media players are there
[03:33] <Fackamato> vlc
[03:33] <inphlict_> any idea?
[03:33] <_case> kapputu, stop trolling you mediocre little guybrush
[03:33] <gfxstyler> totem,xine,mplayer,vlc
[03:33] <LinuxJones> Gato, run gstreamer-properties and select alsa from the dropdown box
[03:33] <madstop> different platforms do different stuff, and sometimes if you throw out the sucky platform, you're throwing out the ingenius workarounds too.
[03:33] <gfxstyler> caffeine or something like that too
[03:34] <kapputu> _case: you need a lil humor in life
[03:34] <regeya> _case: /ignore works well
[03:34] <armando> Can anyone help me get my wireless card working? I cant seem to make it find the hub :(
[03:34] <_case> kapputu, i have lots.
[03:34] <regeya> _case: my calculator is better than yours
[03:34] <farruinn> let's all remember this is an ubuntu support channel pleaes
[03:34] <farruinn> please*
[03:34] <madstop> God bless open office, Gimp and others for saying, hey, you use Windows, ok, you can get some cool open stuff too
[03:34] <kapputu> armando: what card is it?
[03:35] <inphlict_> Does anyone know why I have no sound in mplayer
[03:35] <inphlict_> I'm a complete noob
[03:35] <thoreauputic> guys, go to #ubuntu-offtopic for flamewars
[03:35] <armando> kapputu: Broadcom card on a compaq presario 2500 series laptop.
[03:35] <_case> aaah sweet silence
[03:35] <gfxstyler> see u guys in ~40-60 minutes :D , bye
[03:35] <inphlict_> audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy
[03:35] <inphlict_> is the error I get when I open a file
[03:36] <inphlict_> video looks good and runs fine but no sound ;(
[03:36] <LinuxJones> Gato, ok hit alt+F2 then start typing gstreamer-properties (it will auto-complete)
[03:36] <Fackamato> vlc works but the subtitles look like shit
[03:36] <armando> kapputu: got ndiswrapper to locate the card with the drivers I downloaded. It just wont locate any servers :(
[03:36] <Fackamato> like 320x200 resolution when i'm fullscreen
[03:37] <Fackamato> armando: dns
[03:37] <kapputu> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=16591
[03:37] <inphlict_> I tried using ALSA already
[03:37] <inphlict_> no help
[03:37] <Gato> and what more???
[03:37] <farruinn> inphlict_: you need to tell it to use Esound or esd
[03:38] <armando> kapputu: thanx, I'll check it out now :)
[03:38] <inphlict_> Yes ESD doesn't worth either :(
[03:38] <inphlict_> I tried all of them
[03:38] <pinPoint> can this program be found for ubuntu
[03:38] <pinPoint> http://www.videolan.org/vlc/
[03:38] <inphlict_> only ESD works for sound on system
[03:38] <inphlict_> everything else doesn't
[03:38] <LinuxJones> Gato, the dropdown box that appears in the Output section what does it say ?
[03:38] <inphlict_> but I still can't get sound in mplayer
[03:38] <inphlict_> I have sound everywhere else
[03:38] <thoreauputic> pinPoint: yes
[03:38] <inphlict_> including the other player on my system
[03:38] <madstop> yes, pinPoint, but I'm not sure which repository
[03:38] <kh4nh> anyone using mldonkey-gui,
[03:39] <farruinn> pinPoint: vlc is in universe
[03:39] <inphlict_> I tried searching for the error and found some stuff but I can't get anything out of it
[03:39] <inphlict_> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-2743.html
[03:39] <farruinn> kh4nh: dpkg -L mldonkey-gui | grep bin will tell you the commands it installs
[03:39] <inphlict_> any ideas?
[03:39] <madstop> pinPoint, there's some kind of gnome front end for it too, but I think the original video lan gui is better
[03:40] <Gato> output alsa
[03:40] <rever> Butters|XGH|Snip, How do I load drivers from nvidia website.
[03:40] <madstop> (and by the way thoreauputic -- videolan runs much better in windows! ;-)
[03:41] <kh4nh> farruinn: got it, thanks
[03:41] <rever> Butters|XGH|Snip, This is the kenrel I am running that I compiled... 2.6.10-6600gt-2
[03:41] <LinuxJones> Gato, did you select alsa or was it there already ?
[03:42] <thoreauputic> madstop: heh - I have it in mac OS-X (runs well)
[03:43] <Gato> i selected now
[03:43] <regeya> hehe
[03:43] <Gato> i have reboot???
[03:43] <inphlict_> I GOT SOUND IN MPLAYER? How can I make permenate. I did "killall esd"
[03:43] <inphlict_> any ideas?
[03:44] <LinuxJones> Gato, nope click the test button right below
[03:44] <Butters|XGH|Snip> rever, All you do is download the drivers depending on your Processor type
[03:44] <LinuxJones> Gato, if sound works your all set up
[03:44] <Butters|XGH|Snip> rever, for me it was simple you download the file... sudo sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7167-pkg1.run
[03:45] <rever> I downloaded the nvidia driver from nvidia site. When I try an run it it fails
[03:45] <pipeline> Butters|XGH|Snip, rever: NEVER use the nvidia installer.
[03:45] <Butters|XGH|Snip> pipeline, why would you never use it?
[03:45] <Gato> ok
[03:45] <pipeline> Butters|XGH|Snip, rever: It'll cut your /usr filesystem to spaghetti as it craps proprietary GL libs everywhere.   It will make your life hell later.
[03:45] <Gato> wait
[03:46] <Butters|XGH|Snip> pipeline, I don't have any problems at all with it
[03:46] <kapputu> is there like an extension in Firefox that would allow me to switch between windows with a single key?
[03:46] <kapputu> between tabs rather
[03:46] <Butters|XGH|Snip> pipeline, I've been doing it this way for a while too
[03:46] <Gato> Error al construir pipeline de prueba para 'ALSA - Advanced Linux Sound Architecture'
[03:46] <madstop> heh, that's right thoreauputic , I keep forgetting you're ac-dc mac/linux :-)
[03:46] <mindframe> does ubuntu maintain its own set of packages for apt?
[03:46] <rever> Ok I have another issue trying to play AA I get no sound. This is the error: open /dev/[sound/] dsp: Device or resource busy
[03:46] <Amaranth> yes
[03:47] <mindframe> Amaranth: where can i get a list or a search utility?
[03:47] <Butters|XGH|Snip> rever, what kind of card is it?
[03:47] <inphlict_> rever I have the same problem :(
[03:47] <inphlict_> I get it in mplayer
[03:47] <rever> Man never ran into so many issues on my other linux box. I guess debian is much different
[03:47] <farruinn> mindframe: http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/ is good
[03:47] <Butters|XGH|Snip> rever, I had that problem with my Audigy
[03:47] <mindframe> farruinn: thx
[03:47] <inphlict_> how do u fix this problem guys?
[03:47] <farruinn> mindframe: it's not "official" but seems to stay up to date
[03:47] <Amaranth> mindframe: http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
[03:47] <inphlict_> I did killall esd
[03:48] <rever> Butters|XGH|Snip, It is an onboard ASUS Nvidia
[03:48] <inphlict_> and it worked but u need to do it all the time
[03:48] <zenwhen> my audigy is a wonderful wonderful piece of hardware... in linux
[03:48] <thoreauputic> madstop: well, I run mac-on-linux mostly - I can run videolan and windows media in it ( I like the irony of running wmp on mac, in linux ;-)  )
[03:48] <Gato> linuxJones, that says  Error al construir pipeline de prueba para 'ALSA - Advanced Linux Sound Architecture'
[03:48] <Butters|XGH|Snip> rever, thats funny...my onboard VIA AC97 did the same thing......I bought a CT4760 off Ebay for $5
[03:48] <billy-420> is there a cd ripper that will let me choose the bitrate at which it burns?
[03:48] <Arrogance> has anyone else noticed a problem with Firefox saving files when you've configured it to ask you every time?
[03:49] <Butters|XGH|Snip> rever, works like a champ the first time around on everything and it was dirt cheap....sounds better than my Audigy too
[03:49] <rever> inphlict, That worked killall esd
[03:49] <kapputu> madstop: that was a good statement, shows that you don't have to bash someone to prove you are strong
[03:49] <rever> Butters|XGH|Snip, the killall esd works. That is odd
[03:49] <madstop> now, thoreauputic , that's way way way more windows-loving than I could handle -- jesus, windows media??  me, I use ogg etc... ;-)
[03:49] <LinuxJones> Gato, then your not using alsa modules for sound
[03:49] <Butters|XGH|Snip> Aight guys I gotta get....I gotta work tomorrow
[03:49] <pipeline> Butters|XGH|Snip: You don't have to listen to me, nevertheless, I strongly suggest you use the nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-dev packages from Debian Unstable
[03:50] <inphlict_> someone just hacked cnn.com and put a pic of bush and a monkey
[03:50] <rever> Butters|XGH|Snip, Thanks for all the help
[03:50] <inphlict_> joking :D
[03:50] <thoreauputic> madstop: I have nothing against windows as such ( apart from its appalling security record) - I *do* object to the company that distributes it, on moral grounds mainly
[03:50] <kapputu> the firefox channel is empty
[03:50] <Butters|XGH|Snip> pipeline, thats a good idea....because I have a Geforce 6800 GT and those drivers don't have much support for such a new card...thats why I use the ones from Nvidia's site
[03:51] <sander__> Is anyone using OpenOffice.org 2 here? If so is the spell checker working?
[03:51] <thoreauputic> madstop: as it happens, I use ogg mostly too - I only use windows media if nothing else is available
[03:51] <mindframe> is hoary considered "testing" or "unstable" at the moment?
[03:51] <rever> Ok so I got AA to work video and sound. Cannot get CoD to work but that isn't most likely cvscedge issue
[03:51] <pipeline> Butters|XGH|Snip: I have no idea what you're talking about.  nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-dev are the same version as the one's on nvidia's site.  And it's fine to compile the kernel module yourself.  Just don't allow it to install it's own GL libs.
[03:51] <pipeline> mindframe: Try "experimental"
[03:51] <farruinn> mindframe: development release is usually what it's called
[03:52] <madstop> I agree thoreauputic -- I just don't like being cast as "the guy in Gate's corner" when all I'm doing is defending the work that developer's have put into making windows more bearable.  And thank you, kapputu ;-).  I'll drop it; gotta be boring for others!
[03:53] <kapputu> madstop: I think you misunderstood me
[03:54] <jba> hey guys, is there a way to stop grub's autobuilding menu.lst from adding the savedefault attribute to all the linux options
[03:54] <Gato> linxJones, that says Error al construir pipeline de prueba para 'ALSA - Advanced Linux Sound Architecture'
[03:54] <jba> i'm trying to get my system to simply boot to windows all the time
[03:54] <rever> See you all tomorrow
[03:54] <madstop> no kapputu, I meant thank you, as in thank you
[03:54] <LinuxJones> Gato, go back into gstreamer-properties and set back to what was there before. Probably esd or oss
[03:55] <Gato> esd
[03:55] <pipeline> Gato: You don't have the right plugins for gstreamer installed.
[03:55] <kapputu> madstop: gotcha
[03:55] <thoreauputic> jba, allthe time?
[03:55] <kapputu> madstop: now help me
[03:55] <Gato>  i don't now???
[03:55] <madstop> help you how, kapputu?
[03:55] <Gato> i don't know??
[03:55] <madstop> I'm the most helpless person on here
[03:56] <majortool> anyone know where i can find documentation on changing the xdm?
[03:56] <Gato> how can know????
[03:56] <LinuxJones> gato, select esd and then test if it doesn't work select oss
[03:56] <thoreauputic> ;-)
[03:56] <regeya> Gato seems to be lost
[03:56] <mindframe> does ubuntu install default with kde or gnome?  will i be able to negate either of those and choose fluxbox?
[03:57] <LinuxJones> majortool, dpkg-reconfigure xdm
[03:57] <kapputu> thoreauputic: good to see u again
[03:57] <thoreauputic> Gato likes question marks ... a lot
[03:57] <Gato> look, i do the test
[03:57] <majortool> LinuxJones, that will allow me to install an ?dm of my own choosing
[03:57] <majortool> ?
[03:57] <kapputu> thoreauputic: help with firefox?
[03:57] <regeya> you do the test gato...you do the test
[03:57] <madstop> kapputu, what did you need help with?
[03:57] <Gato> working but not i listen the sound
[03:57] <LinuxJones> majortool, it should list all display managers and let you select which one to use
[03:57] <thoreauputic> kapputu: I wasn't aware I'd been away?
[03:58] <regeya> gato, is anyone available to translate for you?  I'm not joking or making fun of you
[03:58] <majortool> LinuxJones, awesome
[03:58] <pipeline> mindframe: Ubuntu will always install gnome.  The releases are synchronized to gnome.  Gnome makes up the only supported desktop.  It's a gnome distribution.
[03:58] <Gato> i am chilien
[03:58] <kapputu> thoreauputic: you werent, I was
[03:58] <Gato> not english
[03:58] <LinuxJones> majortool, I know it used to work for kdm and gdm so I am assuming it will work with xdm :)
[03:58] <Gato> understand me
[03:58] <LinuxJones> Gato, so your sound is back ?
[03:58] <thoreauputic> kapputu: ah, I see :)
[03:59] <majortool> LinuxJones, i just want to be able to switch to windowmanager ... any advice?
[03:59] <madstop> that's kind of discouraging to hear, pipeline, though I guess I realized that already
[03:59] <farruinn> thor|afk: this interview with Jess waugh is hilarious
[03:59] <kapputu> majortool: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[03:59] <Gato> i am seeying a movie
[03:59] <usual> 596KBps
[03:59] <kapputu> thor|afk: where is that interview?
[03:59] <usual> sweet
[03:59] <majortool> kapputu, i want window maker not kde
[04:00] <[Rain] > wow no my downloads wont start in firefox, the problems never end
[04:00] <kapputu> no experience with that
[04:00] <farruinn> kapputu: just google for lugradio
[04:00] <thor|afk> sorry guys - afk means away from keyboard - back soon
[04:00] <LinuxJones> majortool, man gnome-wm
[04:00] <mindframe> pipeline: i guess ill try it out.  ive never used gnome.  is it bloated and lame like kde?
[04:00] <pipeline> mindframe: It's less bloated and about equally lame.  It's at least less pathetic than fluxbox.
[04:00] <geneo93> anyone know the cut off date for hoary
[04:01] <madstop> [Rain] , I think this version of firefox is buggy.  I just installed mozilla and epiphany.  Firefox is trying my patience
[04:01] <mindframe> pipeline: heh thx
[04:01] <LinuxJones> majortool, you want to run windowmaker ?
[04:01] <Quest-Master> Epiphany is pretty awesome now. Galeon as well.
[04:01] <[Rain] > unbuntu is driving me freakin nuts
[04:02] <LinuxJones> majortool, sorry I didn't understand. If you have it already installed you can select it from the session option in the gdm login screen
[04:02] <pipeline> I don't understand why people are so shocked to find out that a gnome-centric distribution is *gasp* gnome-centric.
[04:02] <majortool> LinuxJones, it doesn't list it there
[04:02] <geneo93> [Rain] :  you use beos before
[04:02] <[Rain] > no i havent used beos
[04:02] <majortool> LinuxJones, i checked through the gdm config ... there's nothing about sessions that i can find that is not gnome specific
[04:03] <regeya> hehehe
[04:03] <madstop> not shocked, it's a complement to ubuntu -- it deserves a better desktop
[04:03] <majortool> LinuxJones, how do i get a better package list?
[04:03] <mindframe> pipeline: i wasnt shocked because i didnt know it was a gnome-centric distro
[04:03] <LinuxJones> majortool, it should add it when you install wm
[04:03] <pipeline> regeya: As Kubuntu is not Ubuntu, that's kind of a bizarre thing to say.
[04:04] <pipeline> regeya: Never mind, I misread.
[04:04] <regeya> hehehe
[04:04] <regeya> kubuntu is indeed ubuntu, and it is not.
[04:04] <usual> is kubuntu using 3.4?
[04:04] <madstop> I'm looking forward to other distros stealing like mad from ubuntu; it's raised the bar
[04:04] <regeya> yes
[04:04] <majortool> LinuxJones, let me check again ill be back in a bit
[04:04] <pipeline> It should be in the topic.  "Ubuntu is not Debian.  Gnome is the supported desktop, but you can install other things"
[04:04] <geneo93> usual:  yes
[04:04] <pipeline> madstop: Ubuntu is a fork of Debian.  Where do you think all the packages came from?
[04:04] <usual> is anyone using kubuntu?
[04:04] <regeya> agreed pipeline, that's the beauty of it.
[04:04] <pipeline> madstop: Even the installer is from Debian.
[04:04] <madstop> pipeline, what are you complaining about?
[04:04] <regeya> I guess I'm not "anyone"
[04:05] <pipeline> madstop: It has in no way raised the bar.
[04:05] <Riddell> usual: kubuntu won't exist for another half an hour or so
[04:05] <madstop> I know it's based on Debian.  So what?
[04:05] <usual> Riddell, ?
[04:05] <regeya> huh?
[04:05] <Riddell> usual: it's top secret and unannounced so far
[04:05] <thor|afk> pipeline: stop it - it's pointless and negative
[04:05] <maximaus> usual, nothing's stopping you from apt-getting KDE.
[04:05] <nikarul> usual:  I just installed kubuntu.  So far I like it.
[04:05] <regeya> I'm using a top secret distro?
[04:05] <madstop> pipeline, ubuntu has gotten the best press I've ever seen for a linux distro
[04:05] <Riddell>               <item type="label">
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[04:05] <regeya> ubuntu deserves good press
[04:05] <Riddell>               </item>
[04:05] <regeya> Riddell!
[04:05] <Riddell> err, that was stupid of me
[04:06] <pipeline> madstop: Their marketing is indeed second to none.  Redhat was never interested in the kind of media push Canonical has put in place.
[04:06] <[Rain] > html files wont even open in firefox now, wtf
[04:06] <maximaus> What's the difference between kubuntu and just regular ubuntu w/ KDE added?
[04:06] <usual> Riddell, I am downloading the kubuntu liveCD from daily-current
[04:06] <Riddell> appologies, that's what happens after working 36 solid hours on kubuntu
[04:06] <usual> maximaus, not sure
[04:06] <pipeline> maximaus: Kubuntu releases will hopefully be synced to KDE instead of Gnome.
[04:06] <LinuxJones> maximaus, nothing
[04:06] <usual> Riddell, are you a kubuntu dev member?
[04:06] <maximaus> LOL
[04:06] <Riddell> maximaus: nothing much, a kubuntu-default-settings package tidies some things up
[04:06] <Riddell> usual: yes
[04:06] <regeya> I don't know that there is one, maximaus, but it starts out kde-centric and has very very little in the way of gnome stuff
[04:07] <maximaus> I've got KDE installed here, though I don't use it--seems just dandy though.
[04:07] <regeya> it's different
[04:07] <maximaus> Will hotplug be sorted within KDE then?
[04:07] <usual> I will try the live CD before I install anything
[04:07] <Riddell> maximaus: you mean HAL?  yes that works
[04:07] <stuNNed> is wvdial deprecated?
[04:07] <usual> stuNNed, modems are depreciated
[04:07] <usual> heh
[04:07] <maximaus> cool! I have friends that are KDE fans, they'll be happy. :)
[04:07] <LinuxJones> night all
[04:07] <usual> regeya, i know i know
[04:08] <geneo93> usual:  live cd is morphix
[04:08] <usual> geneo93, still??
[04:08] <Riddell> maximaus: "friends" eh, sure sure
[04:08] <thoreauputic> geneo93: not the hoary latest ones
[04:08] <maximaus> LOL,
[04:08] <usual> man
[04:08] <usual> 604KBps
[04:08] <usual> sweeeet
[04:08] <maximaus> I'm more of a Blackbox user, but logging into KDE is fun every now and then.
[04:08] <geneo93> thoreauputic:  whats it using knoppix
[04:09] <madstop> me, I just want to arrange a "transporter accident" for gnome and kde, and come out with the best of them both.
[04:09] <usual> i heard 3.4 increased speed over 50%
[04:09] <mindframe> maximaus: i find kde to be way too much like windows.  i like fluxbox myself
[04:09] <maximaus> madstop: agreed
[04:09] <thoreauputic> geneo93: no, I think it's being done by Ubuntu devs
[04:09] <madstop> I used to love using the kicker in gnome; but the current kicker, I couldn't get to work as well in gnome
[04:09] <maximaus> mindframe: yeah I agree, but there's a few KDE apps that I really like and sometimes I use them under KDE so that they may frolic in their original habitat. :P
[04:10] <aeruder> anyone else got lots of problems with Xorg 6.8.2 and BadMatch errors?
[04:10] <maximaus> madstop: what do you like better about kicker vs. gnome-panel?
[04:10] <aeruder> gnustep doesn't run at all... and macromedia flash plugin hoses firefox (with a BadMatch error)
[04:10] <madstop> kde is way ahead of gnome in a lot of little applets
[04:11] <madstop> maximaus, for one thing, kicker doesn't "eat the space" -- if you hide it, other windows can use that space
[04:11] <aeruder> all kinds of apps have BadMatch errors... really not sure what is going on
[04:11] <madstop> hiding gnome panels is pointless
[04:11] <mindframe> maximaus: just curious... what apps are those?
[04:12] <madstop> better applets, the mixer that fits in kicker, muuuuuch better than gnome mixer
[04:12] <maximaus> I'm a secret kaudioextracter user
[04:12] <[Rain] > where can I edit my path variables in ubuntu?
[04:12] <Centy> .bashrc ?
[04:12] <madstop> the screenshot applet in kde, fantastic.  the one in gnome is lame
[04:12] <thoreauputic> madstop: making hideable panels on the vertical doesn't eat space in gnome - I have one here
[04:12] <regeya> kaudiocreator > *
[04:13] <madstop> true, thoreauputic , but they're ugly.
[04:13] <thoreauputic> agreed re screenshot applet
[04:13] <[Rain] > I tried finding it, and even searched for bashrc and it came up with nothing
[04:13] <maximaus> regeya: that's the one. :P
[04:13] <thoreauputic> madstop: mine is transparent :)
[04:13] <madstop> and anyway, adding stuff to the panels is a pain, and the applets just aren't as good as kde's
[04:13] <maximaus> mine is made of silk so fine it looks transparent.
[04:13] <pinPoint> is ubuntu created by rich ppl or something? :)
[04:13] <madstop> thoreauputic, you can see the icons sticking out-- what the hell, who cares?
[04:13] <geneo93> kde need manager though so you can assign keys for aphlets
[04:14] <maximaus> pinPoint: Mark Shuttleworth certainly has some bucks.
[04:14] <stuNNed> usual: whatever, not everybody can afford/want/can have broadband
[04:14] <madstop> thoreauputic, the transparency point reminds me of an annoyance with gnome:  some panel elements stick out like sore thumbs
[04:14] <usual> who wouldn't want it
[04:14] <Wass|> Hi, does ubuntu contain gnome 2.10 now ?
[04:14] <thoreauputic> madstop: I like fluxbox , anyway, so there, too :P
[04:14] <madstop> and can't be made transparent, and many icons don't work with it
[04:15] <thoreauputic> madstop: all of these things are true, indeed
[04:15] <madstop> anyway, in warty, I was using a (very small) version of kicker as an extra panel in gnome, and it was awesome
[04:15] <Centy> [Rain] : Try "ls -la ~ | less"
[04:15] <thoreauputic> madstop: try that in windows!!  heheh
[04:16] <Hayden> is it possible to access a windows partition from linux
[04:16] <madstop> uggg. thoreauputic ...
[04:16] <thoreauputic> Hayden: yes
[04:16] <Hayden> or to change a partition to a filesystem which cna be read by both
[04:16] <regeya> c'mon guys
[04:16] <maximaus> I'm currently using fbpanel under Blackbox--it's a very efficient setup. :D
[04:16] <Hayden> thoreauputic: is it very hard to do?
[04:16] <stuNNed> maximaus: do you use wvdial? i'm having better luck with setting up the connection in network-admin...
[04:16] <geneo93> Hayden:  yes
[04:16] <usual> oh cool, the NYS DMV site says ubuntu is avalible as a custom plate
[04:16] <usual> i wonder if I should
[04:16] <madstop> yes Hayden --good instructions here:  www.ubuntuguide.org
[04:16] <maximaus> stuNNed: I used pppconfig
[04:16] <regeya> LINUX, WINDOWS, AND EVERYTHING ELSE ALL SUCK
[04:16] <Hayden> ok thanks guys
[04:16] <thoreauputic> Hayden: no, you just need a line in /etc/fstab
[04:16] <Centy> Hayden: FAT32 (vfat) is the only common read/write format to both windows and Linux.
[04:17] <regeya> my monitor is doing something very odd
[04:17] <pipeline> Centy, Hayden: untrue
[04:17] <thoreauputic> regeya: TECHNOLOGY sucks!!
[04:17] <jsgotangco> use a yellow pad!
[04:17] <jsgotangco> hehe
[04:17] <maximaus> stuNNed: then I just told the "modem-lights" applet to "pon provider" etc...
[04:17] <pipeline> Centy, Hayden: Both linux and windows are perfectly able to read/write ext2 and ext3.
[04:17] <madstop> so's your keyboard regeya...
[04:17] <Centy> ok - FAT12/FAT16/FAT32 and limited support for NTFS.
[04:17] <stuNNed> maximaus: wvdial's modem options were making the modem hang up randomly
[04:17] <Centy> ext2/3 on windows isn't "native" to the OS.
[04:17] <pipeline> Centy: I don't know whether you heard me, but Windows can read and write ext2 and ext3 just fine.
[04:17] <usual> minicom is what I used to use back int he day to test modems
[04:18] <pipeline> Centy: Technically, as windows NT is a microkernel, NO filesystem is "native" to the OS.
[04:18] <maximaus> stuNNed: do you have "call-waiting"
[04:18] <madstop> I've had no problems reading writing anything to and from windows
[04:18] <pipeline> Centy: Let's not spread disinformation, eh? FAT32 is not a good filesystem and not a legitimate choice for sharing with windows.
[04:18] <unkwn> i just did a apt-get upgrade and it faulted saying fontconfig couldn't be configured because libfontconfig1 wasn't configured and then that libfontconfig1 wasn't configured because fontconfig wasn't installed/configured
[04:19] <usual> Riddell, are the kubuntu kde packages pulled from sid or are they not associated with debian at all?
[04:19] <Hayden> madstop, Centy: atm i have 2 partitions both used for windows, both formated in the NTFS. do i have to change either of the file systems to access them in ubuntu?
[04:19] <geneo93> unkwn:  apt-get -f install
[04:19] <Centy> pipeline: why not?  Yes it's a sucky FS, but if it's just used to transfer files (as opposed to long term storage) is it worth starting a holy war about?
[04:19] <Riddell> usual: we make them based on the debian ones
[04:19] <Riddell> everyone ready?
[04:19] <madstop> No, Hayden.
[04:20] <Riddell> ...
[04:20] <pipeline> Centy: Waste of hard drive space.
[04:20] <Hayden> ok
[04:20] <usual> Riddell, ok, for some reason I didn't think debian was up to 3.4
[04:20] <unkwn> geneo93:  same error, already tried
[04:20] <pipeline> Hayden: Linux can -read- NTFS just fine
[04:20] <Hayden> ok
[04:20] <Riddell> usual: it's not :)
[04:20] <usual> DRUM ROLL
[04:20] <thoreauputic> pipeline: do try to be *slightly* less abrasive
[04:20] <Centy> Hayden: you can read your NTFS partitions in Linux without a problem.  Writing to them can be problematic.
[04:20] <Riddell> http://www.kubuntu.org.uk/
[04:20] <Riddell> ta da!
[04:20] <Hayden> pipeline: i'd like to write to the partition also
[04:20] <regeya> pipeline:  fat32 is the mp3 of filesystems.  yeah, it sucks, but it's damn near ubiquitous and supported by damn near everything.  chill.
[04:20] <pipeline> Hayden: That is technically possible, but not very practical.
[04:20] <ShredWheat> Where can I set environment variables so they are used in all programs (not just launched from terminal) ?
[04:20] <usual> Riddell, nice site :)
[04:20] <madstop> But Hayden, I think you may need to be cautious about writing to them... I never let linux try to write anything to a windows system partition, anyway
[04:20] <pipeline> regeya: I do not like your analogy.  FAT32 is more like the layer 1 reference encoder of filesystems.  MP3 actually doesn't suck very much at all at reasonable bitrates.
[04:21] <maximaus> pipeline: then why does my XP install not "see" my linux install? I can read it just fine using "explore2fs" btw.
[04:21] <madstop> but others know more about this than I
[04:21] <unkwn> --force-yes
[04:21] <HrdwrBoB> the reasons for not using mp3 are not technical
[04:21] <HrdwrBoB> they are legal
[04:21] <farruinn> unkwn: did taht work? Someone had a solution on ubuntu-users
[04:21] <pipeline> maximaus: You need to install either EXT2IFS (free, works on NT4/5/5.1) or Paragon ext2 (30$, all versions of NT IIRC)
[04:21] <HrdwrBoB> (primarily I mean)
[04:21] <usual> Riddell, Thank you
[04:21] <unkwn> nope, didn't work
[04:21] <Centy> HrdwrBoB: roll on ogg
[04:21] <mdz> HrdwrBoB: entirely
[04:22] <regeya> Riddell, excellent site
[04:22] <Hayden> ok installing linux again
[04:22] <madstop> I think there might be a setting somewhere in windows administration where you can "unhide" non -windows partitions
[04:22] <maximaus> pipeline: by NT you include XP right?
[04:22] <pipeline> maximaus: EXT2IFS is OK, but has no write support and certain functions don't work. (For instance, 16 bit apps can't read off the ext2 filesystem)
[04:22] <regeya> pipeline, whether you like my analogy or not, the rest is dead-on right.
[04:22] <pipeline> maximaus: XP is NT 5.1, a point release against 2000.
[04:22] <HrdwrBoB> mdz: well yeah, if it weren't for the legality ogg would not exist
[04:22] <SysFail> evening
[04:22] <pipeline> regeya: FAT32 is categorically unacceptable to me.
[04:22] <HrdwrBoB> pipeline: that's unfortunate
[04:22] <pipeline> HrdwrBoB: I would be careful before buying into OGG patent claims.
[04:22] <regeya> pipeline, find me a filesystem other than fat32 that's used in windows, linux, os x, cameras, etc.
[04:22] <HrdwrBoB> pipeline: buying into who's in the what now?
[04:23] <Centy> pipeline, I made the comment about ogg
[04:23] <madstop> I use ntfs for windows system, fat32 for sharing.  No problems.  And anyway, I do most of my sharing through my lan, anyway
[04:23] <unkwn> farruinn:  link to the solution?
[04:23] <farruinn> unkwn: see if this helps: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20659
[04:23] <unkwn> ahh
[04:23] <unkwn> thanks
[04:23] <HrdwrBoB> mp3 is patented and the patent is enforced
[04:23] <pipeline> regeya: Cameras use vFAT and FAT12 almost exclusively.  Their filesystem needs are very different from that of a PC.
[04:23] <pipeline> regeya: And in answer to your question, I would have to say UFS.
[04:23] <SysFail> speaking of mp3....anybody find that mp3 addon for K3B????
[04:23] <SysFail> i cant burn cds for my car
[04:23] <pipeline> HrdwrBoB, Centy: Ogg's claims of being patent-free are dubious at best.
[04:24] <Centy> FAT12 on a camera?  I think you mean FAT16
[04:24] <pipeline> Centy: Who needs more than 16M in a filesystem? ;)
[04:24] <Centy> My 8Mpix camera for one :P
[04:24] <regeya> UFS???!?
[04:24] <maximaus> SysFail: isn't the package called k3b-mp3?
[04:24] <regeya> bwahahaha
[04:25] <HrdwrBoB> pipeline: yes, but so far no-one's been sued for using or distributing it
[04:25] <regeya> vorbis isn't patent-free
[04:25] <kapputu> which is a better p2p client? Limewire or gnutella?
[04:25] <SysFail> yes it is...but it isnt in synaptic
[04:25] <SysFail> i checked
[04:25] <SysFail> and i cant find the deb for it
[04:25] <Centy> Any FAT?? system on flash RAM is B-A-D...it has a bad tendancy to hammer the same "sectors" all the time leading to early failure.
[04:25] <maximaus> I can burn mp3's just fine with k3b here, but damned if I can remember why. :P
[04:25] <spiraloid> kapputu, i prefer limewire
[04:25] <SysFail> cause you added some package
[04:26] <SysFail> but I dont know which
[04:26] <SysFail> i finally burned it with graveman
[04:26] <SysFail> worked great
[04:26] <maximaus> maybe it just needs mpg123 or something that simple?
[04:26] <usual> burning kubuntu to a cd-rw is slower than a debian stable release
[04:26] <unkwn> farruinn:  worked perfectly, thanks!
[04:26] <SysFail> hmmm maybe it needs lame
[04:26] <farruinn> unkwn: cool =)
[04:26] <SysFail> just thought of that
[04:27] <farruinn> unkwn: for some reason I didn't have the problem, so I'm glad it worked
[04:27] <farruinn> usual: yeah, but ubuntu is only one disc..
[04:27] <madstop> so are there ANY non-patent encumbered high quality lossy formats?
[04:27] <usual> fabbione, yeah, i am just mad that my cd-rw disc is 4x
[04:27] <HrdwrBoB> madstop: use ogg.
[04:27] <SysFail> ubuntu rules man...i have installed nothing less than 20 other distros
[04:28] <madstop> I thought people here just said ogg (vorbis) WAS patent-encoumbered
[04:28] <dizzie> why is fontconfig broken :( ... I cant upgrade my system, and --fix-broken doesnt work
[04:28] <regeya> it is, but people ignore that
[04:28] <unkwn> dizzie:  http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20659
[04:28] <regeya> but it's not okay to ignore mp3's patent encumberment
[04:28] <madstop> so I guess the answer to my question is no...
[04:28] <regeya> despite the fact that fraunhofer(sp?) has said they won't chase down free software people...eh
[04:29] <regeya> I don't care either way
[04:29] <regeya> I don't see anyone suing me for using either one
[04:29] <regeya> and the only suits I see are for people trading several metric tons of tunes, not for using mp3
[04:29] <bluefoxicy> wtf is the program
[04:29] <bluefoxicy> it lets you
[04:29] <pipeline> Centy: Modern flash cards handle that problem nicely.  Hence the using a primitive filesystem in order to not defeat the algorithms built into the card.
[04:29] <bluefoxicy> you know
[04:29] <bluefoxicy> set up UI stuff for gtk?
[04:29] <bluefoxicy> g. . .something. . .
[04:30] <pipeline> kapputu: Limewire and gnutella are both very nice and connect to the same network.
[04:30] <madstop> Someone should just work out a scheme to put a little surcharge on all hardware to pay off all license holders for media codecs etc and be done with it
[04:30] <Centy> pipeline: news to me.  Ever done low-level analysis of flash cards with FAT file systems?  I have.
[04:30] <bluefoxicy> glade
[04:30] <pipeline> madstop: Heh, beginning textbooks in multimedia compression are riddled with patent-encumbered algorithms.  It would almost be impossible to come up with something better than run-length encoding that isn't patent-encumbered in some way.
[04:30] <kapputu> gnutella crashed well
[04:30] <pipeline> Centy: I have not, but it's a bullet point on some packaging.
[04:30] <dizzie> lol ok, good old hacking :)
[04:31] <Centy> pipeline: OK - you keep believing everything you read on packaging :P heheh :)
[04:31] <pipeline> Centy: Heh, flash memories aren't my field :P
[04:32] <Centy> Mine either - it's called a 4th year thesis :P
[04:32] <madstop> ten cents on every blank cdr, ten bucks on every recorder, or every hard drive -give it to the patent holders, and let everybody use it all
[04:32] <Centy> It was wrapped up in a broader look at a lot of removable media and storage systems, file systems etc.
[04:33] <dysangelium> hello
[04:34] <thoreauputic> Fact: Both Xiph.Org and AOL have conducted or commissioned patent searches by qualified patent attorneys who have determined that Ogg Vorbis is not infringing on any patents.
[04:34] <thoreauputic> http://www.vorbis.com/ot/20021229.html
[04:35] <Centy> Beat me to it thoreauputic :P
[04:36] <stuNNed> maximaus-gone: yes
[04:36] <thoreauputic> took one google search and less than a minute ;)
[04:36] <stuNNed> maximaus-gone: sorry got disc
[04:36] <madstop> fu**ing firefox crashed on me just because a page was looking for shockwave...
[04:37] <calc> good reason not to use that proprietary ad serving pos
[04:37] <thoreauputic> madstop: back to lynx then ;P
[04:38] <kapputu> yeah it's all text anyway
[04:38] <dizzie> 4:39am, coffee anyone? :)
[04:39] <thoreauputic> i quite like dillo for searching the web ( it's fast and light)
[04:39] <madstop> thoreauputic, you're an ogg duck
[04:39] <dysangelium> how do i setup modpython to work with apache2
[04:39] <dysangelium> ?
[04:39] <thoreauputic> ogg duck?
[04:39] <Centy> thoreauputic: I was digging around the vorbis site.... <shrug>
[04:39] <thoreauputic> I'm badly lagged here...
[04:40] <johnf1911> anyone else having probles with grip + vorbis in whoary?
[04:40] <johnf1911> grip can rip when I'm not encoding, but once i encode to vorbis it stops ripping
[04:41] <spiraloid> nice setting?
[04:42] <johnf1911> spiraloid: an interesting idea, let me check
[04:42] <madstop> thoreauputic, odd duck.. ;-)
[04:42] <madstop> odd,ogg
[04:42] <madstop> ugh
[04:42] <madstop> tried to be punny
[04:43] <thoreauputic> madstop: this coming from you? (kidding)
[04:43] <thoreauputic> but yes, I am indeed an odd duck ;-)
[04:44] <madstop> thoreauputic, you would love foobar2000
[04:44] <kain> hi, anoyone has trouble with the latest fontconfig upgrade in hoary?
[04:44] <farruinn> johnf1911: I believe there's a setting for that
[04:44] <johnf1911> 006: Could not read any data from drive
[04:44] <kain> dpkg exits with a status code: 10
[04:44] <farruinn> kain: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20659 seems to be helping people...
[04:44] <kain> ok, thanks
[04:44] <madstop> yes, kain, upgrades keep throwing up errors regarding fontconfig.   I have no clue.
[04:45] <johnf1911> farruinn: i have this same problem on sid as well
[04:45] <kain> hey madstop :)
[04:45] <johnf1911> and on two different machines
[04:45] <kain> let's try the hack
[04:46] <madstop> what's the font config supposed to do?  It keeps telling me it's not configured; my fonts look great, for linux anyway
[04:46] <thoreauputic> madstop: hmm - windows only? not interested if so ( running windows gives me high blood pressure and fits)
[04:47] <dizzie> lol
[04:47] <farruinn> heh, I'm so useless on windows, I can never find what I'm looking for
[04:47] <kain> the hack worked out
[04:47] <Centy> Windows has a bad habit of giving my firewall a headache....
[04:47] <madstop> I'm hoping you know some genius hacker who can port foobar2000 to linux; linux deserves better media players
[04:48] <SysFail> kaffeine is nice
[04:48] <farruinn> johnf1911: make sure that under Config>Rip>options you don't have "Delay encoding until disc is ripped" set
[04:48] <thoreauputic> madstop: what do you think of amarok? Looks pretty good to me
[04:48] <dizzie> SysFail: as in coffee? :) ... :D
[04:48] <madstop> google foobar2000, thoreauputic .
[04:48] <SysFail> hahah
[04:48] <dizzie> :)
[04:48] <P229> madstop, SysFail: forget the media players, what's needed is a decent soundserver
[04:48] <johnf1911> farruinn: you misunderstand me, the ripp bar says 0% and never advances, eventually it spits out 006: Could not read any data from drive in the term that started grip
[04:49] <SysFail> as in media player
[04:49] <SysFail> i use it for everything
[04:49] <geneo93> farruinn:  dont you have to set up dirs for grip
[04:49] <dampjam> It's trying to upgrade hoary but messed up on fontconfig, now a bunch of dependencies are failing
[04:49] <dampjam> how do I force it to remove / reinstall fontconfig?
[04:49] <DavidH86>  so there is no default root password then why does using no password not work
[04:49] <madstop> yes, P229, you're right
[04:49] <thoreauputic> madstop: I did - then I noticed it seems to be for windows
[04:49] <johnf1911> geneo93: if your talking for input and output it creates dirs necessary to fufil paths
[04:49] <Quest-Master> DavidH86: Use your main user's password
[04:49] <P229> DavidH86: it's probably set to some random string
[04:49] <johnf1911> s/input/wav s/output/encoded files/
[04:49] <maximoose> stuNNed, I was off for a sec. on the modem thing, sometimes having call waiting can lock your modem if someone tries to call you when you're online.
[04:50] <madstop> thoreauputic, you're a broken record!
[04:50] <P229> DavidH86: ubuntu is designed so that you should never use root, only sudo
[04:50] <geneo93> johnf1911:  haven't used it for a long time
[04:50] <spiraloid> if you need a root shell, use sudo -s -H
[04:50] <kain> some hours ago on hoary there were an xorg upgrade, 6.8.2-5.1, after restarting X it tells me that the depth is incorrect (plus another little error), I switched my depth to 24 again and all is fine, have you experienced similar issues?
[04:50] <DavidH86> dang it
[04:50] <DavidH86> lol
[04:51] <DavidH86> i like to screw tings up in root
[04:51] <DavidH86> and what do you mean sudo
[04:51] <P229> DavidH86: man sudo will say it best
[04:51] <spiraloid> the program sudo
[04:51] <dizzie> kain: tried a xorg -configure ?
[04:51] <ghostdad> Im running hoary and can not get either the free rar or the unfree unrar to work.  Is anyone else having these issues?
[04:51] <madstop> kain, i don't even know how to set the color depth on this thing; can't understand why that isn't in the menu along with resolution
[04:51] <thoreauputic> madstop: I'm a brok...I'm a brok... I'm <click.> broke
[04:51] <dampjam> How can I fix fontconfig?
[04:51] <kain> dizzie, no, just to be curious, I entered my xorg.conf and reverted 24 depth
[04:51] <DavidH86> hmmm
[04:51] <DavidH86> cool
[04:51] <DavidH86> lol
[04:51] <dizzie> ahh ok
[04:52] <mdz> wow, the kubuntu preview isn't on distrowatch yet
[04:52] <kain> dampjam, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20659
[04:52] <mdz> they're lagging tonight ;-)
[04:52] <DavidH86> well that is kinda nice
[04:52] <madstop> thoreauputic, floppies, dial-up, windows 3.1, 78 rpm records, get with the new century, dude! ; )
[04:52] <Llamabutcher> has anyone used ndiswrapper to get a wireless card working in ubuntu?
[04:52] <P229> mdz: distrowatch lags quite frequently
[04:52] <mdz> P229: they have been amazingly fast at processing our announcements in the past
[04:53] <thoreauputic> madstop: hey, I'm a Quaker - what do you expect?
[04:53] <dizzie> kain, i tried a "overkill" 1892x1440x24 :O ... will not advice that :)
[04:53] <kain> ghg
[04:53] <spiraloid> quakers rule
[04:53] <P229> mdz: "in the past" ;)
[04:53] <DavidH86> hmmm
[04:53] <DavidH86> no sshd
[04:53] <madstop> Wallpaper looks like crap on my desktop; fonts look great
[04:53] <inphlict> Can someone address my problem
[04:53] <inphlict> read it here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20667
[04:53] <mdz> P229: including last week's preview release of Ubuntu ;-)
[04:53] <ghostdad> Are there any known issues with unrar in hoary.  All of my archives fail to decompress from the command line as well as in file roller?
[04:54] <Riddell> thoreauputic: you're a Quaker?
[04:54] <gfxstyler> hey, im back
[04:54] <SysFail> so use rar
[04:54] <madstop> hey gfxstyler , how'd the install go?
[04:54] <hone> thoreauputic: quaker meaning, play quake or pa quake style?
[04:54] <ghostdad> Ive installed rar however I get a command not found.
[04:54] <thoreauputic> Riddell: well, i'm a Quaker attender, to be accurate
[04:54] <P229> mdz: /me shrugs
[04:54] <geneo93> ghostdad:  why are you using rar to begin with
[04:54] <gfxstyler> madstop: flawless, but a little longer then expected, i thought i first upgrade the kernel etc before coming back to #ubuntu
[04:54] <Riddell> thoreauputic: cool, which meeting?
[04:54] <dizzie> QW rocks my world :)
[04:55] <madstop> Quaker, ah, that's why thoreauputic is such a Friend (er, get it?  never mind)
[04:55] <ghostdad> geneo93 Ive also had issues with unrar
[04:55] <spiraloid> lol
[04:55] <dizzie> f1shhead: its doable
[04:55] <SysFail> worked fine for me
[04:55] <johnf1911> madstop: there getting weaker
[04:55] <thoreauputic> hone: the quakers originated in England, and local quakers are more aligned with London meeting etc
[04:55] <DavidH86> hmmmm
[04:55] <hone> thoreauputic: yeah I know
[04:55] <gfxstyler> now have to copy 33gb backups ... thats gonna take a while :)
[04:55] <inphlict> Which quakers are u talking about?
[04:55] <thoreauputic> Riddell: Kiama  (Australia)
[04:56] <inphlict> people who play quake or non religious peeps
[04:56] <spiraloid> neither :P
[04:56] <DavidH86> nto true
[04:56] <Riddell> thoreauputic: do you know any of Sarah Davies, Pete Wild or other Pete?
[04:56] <dizzie> inphlict: so? :)
[04:56] <madstop> johnf1911, sorry??
[04:56] <DavidH86> i knbow some die hard religious people that play quake
[04:56] <inphlict> so what?
[04:56] <thoreauputic> no, although Sarah Davies rings a bell
[04:56] <kain> wtf
[04:56] <inphlict> dizzie: so?
[04:56] <johnf1911> madstop: the punnage; s/there/they're/
[04:57] <madstop> Richard Nixon was a Quaker, he fragged a couple whole countries
[04:57] <dizzie> inphlict: reply to your quakecomment :)
[04:57] <Riddell> thoreauputic: ah well, that's all the quakers I know in australia, pleased to meet you anyway (I'm from Edinburgh meeting mostly)
[04:57] <thoreauputic> madstop: he was nominally a quaker, yes
[04:57] <inphlict> which comment
[04:57] <Riddell> madstop: we excommunicated him
[04:57] <inphlict> on the forum or here?
[04:57] <dysangelium> can someone help me out?
[04:57] <thoreauputic> Riddell: greetings, Friend :)
[04:57] <dizzie> inphlict: .... people who play quake
[04:58] <inphlict> yes
[04:58] <inphlict> I play quake
[04:58] <madstop> There's a meeting house near me.  Thinking of dropping in sometime
[04:58] <dizzie> same :)
[04:58] <dizzie> hence i answered "so ? :)"
[04:58] <inphlict> I played it for a loooonnnnggg time
[04:58] <thoreauputic> Riddell: you can't really be excommunicated from the Society of Friends ;)
[04:58] <inphlict> since original quake test
[04:58] <dizzie> I played since uhm when it was released, and i still play :)
[04:59] <madstop> There have got to be more churches etc per square inch in my neighborhood than just about anywhere in the US
[04:59] <dysangelium> how do i setup modpython to work with apache2? (both have been apt-geted already)
[04:59] <inphlict> acctually I started with wolf3d
[04:59] <dizzie> ahh i started with wolf on a 386 :)
[04:59] <kain> i915 is too bad supported to using cedega
[04:59] <kain> :(
[04:59] <madstop> I'm a lapsed Unitarian, myself
[04:59] <kain> 2538 frames in 5.0 seconds = 507.600 FPS
[04:59] <kain> sik
[05:00] <thoreauputic> madstop: is it possible to be a "lapsed" unitarian ? ;)
[05:00] <madstop> in my case.
[05:00] <dizzie> kain, i cant get nwn or daoc to work with cedega, but there is no way i gonna have dualboot just for playing games :)
[05:01] <kain> dizzie, nwn has a linux client
[05:01] <madstop> danged Universalists messed it up!  Pagans! ;-)
[05:01] <dizzie> Quake is fine :)
[05:01] <andrewski> how can i link the hdc to cdrom so that it stays on boot?
[05:01] <dizzie> kain, which works with both expansions too ?
[05:01] <inphlict> I still have quake, quake2 & quake3 on my windows xp boot installed
[05:01] <thoreauputic> madstop: Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!
[05:01] <inphlict> have u guys heard of quake 2 evolved?
[05:02] <dizzie> inphlict: do you play QW by any chance?
[05:02] <madstop> We've got them around here too...
[05:02] <kain> dizzie, I really dunno, I have nwn original with no expansion, installed, tested and it worked out fine (after a superpatch for ati cards :P)
[05:02] <kain> I bet there are linux clients out for nwn expansions
[05:02] <inphlict> not anymore but I used to play qw & tf
[05:02] <inphlict> I just have quake installed
[05:02] <madstop> They're handling security at JFK, thoreauputic
[05:02] <inphlict> I'm acctually from quake3world.com/forums
[05:02] <jsgotangco> has anyone configured bluetooth with hoary
[05:02] <dizzie> kain: will check, and inphlict: :(
[05:02] <thoreauputic> rofl !
[05:03] <pinPoint> im installing ubuntu on mi lappy now... :)
[05:03] <pinPoint> first time!
[05:03] <chillywilly> ooboontooo
[05:03] <madstop> I tried Cube the other day, in windows.  Seems cool.  I'm not a gamer though
[05:03] <inphlict> is cube that game engine?
[05:04] <DavidH86> no one anwers my quesiton
[05:04] <DavidH86> does ubuntu come installed with sshd
[05:04] <inphlict> check this http://www.quake3world.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2299
[05:04] <dizzie> Q3 is nice, i get 180fps :)
[05:04] <HrdwrBoB> DavidH86: no
[05:04] <inphlict> unreal 3 screens
[05:04] <zenrox> DavidH86,  no
[05:04] <inphlict> I get 500
[05:04] <HrdwrBoB> DavidH86: it comes with ssh, sshd is not installed by default
[05:04] <DavidH86> lol
[05:04] <DavidH86> ok
[05:04] <madstop> you can apparently edit Cube while you play it.
[05:04] <HrdwrBoB> it is however on the CD
[05:04] <DavidH86> thats all i neded
[05:04] <gfxstyler> unreal 3 engine rocks with that parralax or offset bumpmapping :)
[05:04] <pinPoint> im suprised its on 533MB
[05:05] <pinPoint> thats it. no more
[05:05] <thoreauputic> madstop: http://www.jumpstation.ca/recroom/comedy/python/spanish.html
[05:05] <pinPoint> only
[05:05] <inphlict> my blog I deal a lot of games
[05:05] <inphlict> http://phase0.blogspot.com/
[05:05] <P229> DavidH86: generally, Ubuntu won't have server daemons... since it's a desktop oriented distro
[05:05] <Chriffer> I knew if I sat around long enough I would see an answer to the fontconfig issue, good work
[05:05] <madstop> I've got enough python on this computer, thank you thoreauputic -- <gr>
[05:05] <dizzie> :)
[05:06] <chillywilly> python rules
[05:06] <madstop> Fawlty Towers, thoreauputic !
[05:06] <thoreauputic> madstop: heh - I have Monty Python Live at Drury Lane in .ogg (of course...)
[05:06] <zenrox> lol
[05:06] <madstop> lol
[05:06] <thoreauputic> madstop: I know nothing...I'm from Barcelona
[05:06] <zenrox> "Idont like spam"
[05:07] <dizzie> spam, isnt that ham in a can ? :)
[05:07] <kain> inphlict, I checked out the link, but those screenshot aren't from unreal 3, there is a technology that takes his name
[05:07] <kain> :D
[05:07] <andrewski> did y'all know the programming language Python was named after a certain British comedy troupe?
[05:07] <madstop> just remember not to say anything about the war.  I mentioned it once, but I think they didn't notice...
[05:07] <thoreauputic> dizzie: I thought it was something to do with Vikings??
[05:08] <dizzie> thoreauputic: What vikings? :)
[05:08] <madstop> John Cleese was the funniest bastard alive.
[05:08] <inphlict> kain: my bad
[05:08] <madstop> Well, he's still alive, actually
[05:08] <andrewski> madstop: was?
[05:08] <andrewski> :P
[05:08] <Centy> John Cleese is still alive and kicking
[05:08] <regeya> no longer funny ,sorry
[05:09] <regeya> there *was* a memo...
[05:09] <DavidH86> one more question where on that disc is sshd
[05:09] <andrewski> regeya: did you get that memo?
[05:09] <andrewski> regeya: (i'm quoting office space, btw.)
[05:09] <zenrox> DavidH86, enable univers repo
[05:09] <thoreauputic> DavidH86: sudo apt-get install ssh
[05:10] <regeya> heh
[05:10] <Llamabutcher> has anyone used ndiswrapper to get a wireless laptop card work in ubuntu?
[05:10] <DavidH86> ok
[05:10] <zenrox> DavidH86,  read www.ubuntuguide.org to keep newbie questions to a min
[05:10] <madstop> alright, gotta boot to windows now, cause I need to look at a shock-infected web site, for work
[05:10] <madstop> later
[05:10] <dizzie> good luck :)
[05:10] <andrewski> hey regeya, what's happening?  listen, i'm gonna need you to redo those tps reports.  see, we're now putting another cover on them....
[05:11] <regeya> heh..."shock-infected"
[05:11] <dizzie> hehe
[05:11] <thoreauputic> madstop: hope you get better
[05:11] <dizzie> windows is a shock :)
[05:11] <thoreauputic> ;)
[05:11] <thoreauputic> indeed
[05:11] <DavidH86> says it couldnt find packages for sshd
[05:11] <regeya> too much coffee for me this week...can feel the effects
[05:11] <andrewski> DavidH86: you can ask all the questions you want here, but we may refer you to ubuntuguide.org. ;)
[05:11] <madstop> (I'm holding out for svg to take over from shockwave)
[05:11] <thoreauputic> DavidH86: ssh
[05:11] <dizzie> DavidH86: apt-get install ssh
[05:12] <DavidH86> nevermind
[05:12] <DavidH86> lol
[05:12] <regeya> feeling depressed, edgy, and now a headache is coming on...must boost seratonin level somehow...hm.
[05:12] <thoreauputic> regeya: ice cream is full of serotonin ;)
[05:12] <andrewski> anyone know their way around udev?
[05:12] <regeya> heh
[05:12] <dizzie> Give icecream !
[05:13] <regeya> shoot, I forgot to pick up some guiness on the way home!
[05:13] <dizzie> :<
[05:13] <regeya> and it's st. pat's day and everything :-/
[05:13] <andrewski> cp /usr/local/icecream /home/andrewski
[05:13] <dizzie> ;)
[05:13] <dizzie> cat /dev/icecream >> dizzie
[05:13] <dizzie> :)
[05:14] <thoreauputic> dpkg-reconfigure waistline
[05:14] <andrewski> thoreauputic: lol
[05:14] <Centy> "C|N>K" was the daddy of them all :P
[05:14] <andrewski> Centy: what's that?
[05:14] <dizzie> I like this, fully installed and upgraded system = 334MB in use ;)
[05:15] <andrewski> dizzie: 334MB HD space?
[05:15] <dizzie> yip
[05:15] <andrewski> wow.
[05:15] <dizzie> newly installed server :)
[05:15] <Centy> C=coffee, N=nose, K=keyboard
[05:15] <andrewski> ah, server.  i.e. no X, etc?
[05:15] <dizzie> Hoary ofc :)
[05:15] <andrewski> Centy: ah, lol.
[05:16] <Centy> ;)
[05:16] <inphlict> Is it possible to run photoshop in linux?
[05:16] <gfxstyler> yes
[05:16] <dizzie> andrewski: nope, now i just need sshd+proftpd+apache2+php5+mysql+psybnc :)
[05:16] <gfxstyler> with wine
[05:16] <regeya> yes.
[05:16] <andrewski> inphlict: why not use gimp?
[05:16] <inphlict> is wine free?
[05:16] <gfxstyler> yes its free
[05:16] <regeya> or if you're using a mac, with mol
[05:16] <inphlict> I'm very good with photoshop
[05:16] <gfxstyler> but i suggest gimp
[05:17] <inphlict> I'm not used to gimp
[05:17] <gfxstyler> it does not take long, i switched from photoshop too
[05:17] <dizzie> gimp can use photoshop plugins :)
[05:17] <andrewski> inphlict: it's very similar and much easier to use in linux.  wine can be a pain.
[05:17] <dizzie> I love gimp :o
[05:17] <Centy> gimp (unfortunately) doesn
[05:17] <inphlict> I know everything there is to know about photoshop
[05:17] <gfxstyler> but another problem: why isnt my sound working (only esd works)
[05:17] <Centy> doesn't support cradle-to-grave colour managment
[05:17] <inphlict> photoshop 5.0
[05:17] <inphlict> and I dont think I can make the switch
[05:18] <inphlict> so used to it
[05:18] <regeya> ooh, a moldy oldy
[05:18] <inphlict> I cant even switch to CS
[05:18] <inphlict> because I'm so used to it
[05:18] <regeya> I'm refusing to go 7->cs
[05:18] <andrewski> inphlict: you could use older versions of gimp?
[05:18] <HrdwrBoB> photoshop on windows is very different
[05:18] <regeya> inphlict: http://frankscorner.org/index.php?p=ps55
[05:18] <HrdwrBoB> photoshop on mac is not all that different to GIMP
[05:18] <dizzie> i was devoted to photoshop cs, but i hated windows so much... linux is nice and gimp vs photoshop is just a matter of time
[05:18] <farruinn> HrdwrBoB: I agree
[05:18] <regeya> I beg your pardon HrdwrBoB
[05:19] <inphlict> cool
[05:19] <farruinn> with the windows part
[05:19] <inphlict> This is what I do with photoshop http://phase0.host-dot.com
[05:19] <HrdwrBoB> regeya: yes?
[05:20] <inphlict> and this is mostly photoshop http://www.phase0.info
[05:20] <geneo93> gimp.org
[05:20] <dizzie> bleh no php5 in ubuntu :(
[05:21] <regeya> Wait..I haven't used CS hardly any at all...so I may be saying something stupid when I say "GIMP will be like Mac Photoshop when the Adobe people smoke enough crack to think putting Colors->Levels under "Layer" is a good idea"
[05:22] <biatche> at this point -- would you use hoary preview 7 or warty still?
[05:22] <sl64> is there a way to create a ubuntu boot disk in ubuntu?
[05:22] <regeya> use Mac Photoshop (7) all the time, and I find gimp and photoshop to be fairly dissimilar
[05:22] <andrewski> biatche: i've been using hoary for a few months.
[05:22] <gfxstyler> hmmm
[05:22] <HrdwrBoB> regeya: yes, however the overall UI is not entirely dissimilar
[05:22] <gfxstyler> totem sound seems to work too
[05:22] <HrdwrBoB> windows photoshop has a hideous MDI
[05:23] <gfxstyler> damn xmms
[05:23] <regeya> adobe could take the gimp approach and go for the no-mdi model
[05:23] <sl64> Does anyone know if there is a way to make a boot diskette in ubuntu?
[05:24] <inphlict> lol just found my old windows pic
[05:24] <inphlict> http://www.customize.org/view/30486
[05:24] <regeya> to be fair, I use gimp all the time and find it to be great for a lot of things
[05:24] <brad> do people know the update to fontconfig is broken?
[05:24] <andrewski> regeya: doesn't gimp have MDI?
[05:24] <gfxstyler> wtf is that ?? i hate xmms -.-
[05:24] <inphlict> who are u talking to?
[05:24] <brad> anyone who will listen...
[05:24] <inphlict> cool
[05:24] <andrewski> gfxstyler: inphlict's screenshot?  that was windows....
[05:25] <inphlict> I said it was windows
[05:25] <andrewski> who's everyone talking to?! ^_^
[05:25] <gfxstyler> andrewski: iam talking to myself :D
[05:25] <dizzie> brad, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=98157
[05:25] <andrewski> 0_o rather.
[05:25] <sl64> did anyone see my question? :(
[05:25] <andrewski> sl64: no idea.
[05:25] <regeya> and it rawks, btw
[05:25] <HillTop> Is ubuntu thinking of using UnionFS in Hoary so the livecd can has persistent memory on the USB drive? See http://www.onlamp.com/pub/wlg/6654 about KNOPPIX 3.8.
[05:25] <sl64> ill post again
[05:25] <brad> thanks dizzie!
[05:25] <brad> much appreciated
[05:25] <regeya> yay
[05:26] <andrewski> sl64: i have no idea as to your question.
[05:26] <sl64> i just need to know if there is a way I can make a boot diskette for ubuntu
[05:26] <sl64> my boot loader is acting real gay
[05:26] <gfxstyler> lol
[05:26] <regeya> does it remodel your house for you?
[05:26] <thoreauputic> sl64: the command is ` mkboot`  IIRC
[05:26] <regeya> if so send it my wayu
[05:26] <regeya> if it also cooks, bonus points
[05:27] <andrewski> poor taste
[05:27] <thoreauputic> sl64: from the man page:  mkboot - makes a bootdisk
[05:27] <sl64> cool, thanks :D
[05:27] <sl64> also, i have one more thing to ask
[05:27] <sl64> i was really stupid and I installed grub onto my hda2 partition (my xp one)... and now, i can't boot to xp because it loops the boot loaders
[05:28] <sl64> can I just restore the MBR and that will go away? or is it on the partition itself?
[05:29] <thoreauputic> the mbr is never on a partition
[05:29] <Quest-Master> sl64: You can restore the MBR
[05:29] <Quest-Master> Or, well GRUB at least
[05:29] <sl64> where does grub install itself if you selected it to be on /dev/hda2?
[05:29] <sl64> mbr or the actual partiton?
[05:29] <Centy> sl64, the boot sector
[05:30] <dizzie> yay let alone gentoo, my server is running ubuntu now :)
[05:30] <brad> thanks folks, fixed fontconfig, by the way ubuntu rocks, really appreciate the hard work everyone does, goodnight!
[05:30] <sl64> so how would I remove it from the boot sector?
[05:30] <dizzie> nn brad :)
[05:30] <Quest-Master> sl64: Are you trying to go back to Windows?
[05:30] <Centy> sl64: oops - I meant the parition
[05:30] <sl64> yeah to take my crap off and move it to ubuntu.. and i can't mount my ntfs drive
[05:30] <thoreauputic> sl64: you don't need to, if you reinstall grub on the MBR
[05:31] <sl64> i have it on both 0_o
[05:31] <Centy> Boot sector is easy - just boot the WinXP installer to rescue mode and run through it from there.
[05:31] <Quest-Master> Yes
[05:31] <Quest-Master> Go to the Windows XP Recovery console
[05:31] <sl64> i don't have the xp disk, all I have is a recovery partition
[05:31] <Quest-Master> Type in fixmbr and fixboot
[05:31] <Quest-Master> sl64: There might be a recovery console in there.
[05:31] <sl64> can't get to it :(
[05:31] <sl64> i tried
[05:31] <sl64> it won't boot to the recovery console because that bootloader is blocking it
[05:31] <Quest-Master> :(!
[05:31] <Centy> You should be able to D/L a recover console boot disk from somewhere....
[05:31] <sl64> i hope so
[05:31] <sl64> lol
[05:31] <sl64> any suggestions where?
[05:31] <Quest-Master> You can, actually.
[05:32] <Quest-Master> sl64: Can you boot into Windows?
[05:32] <sl64> nope
[05:32] <Quest-Master> Oh.
[05:32] <thoreauputic> sl64: you can even install grub on a floppy
[05:32] <sl64> yeah
[05:32] <biatche> is latest hoary considered desktop stable / production use?
[05:32] <thoreauputic> sl64: it can find your root/boot sectors
[05:32] <geneo93> bootdisk.com
[05:32] <P229> sl64: unless you have some way of booting from the recovery partition or booting from some disk that came with your computer, your windows installation is toast
[05:33] <thoreauputic> biatche: no
[05:33] <dizzie> biatche: both imo
[05:33] <Nobuyuki`> woot, the thing finally uncompressed
[05:33] <Nobuyuki`> booted right into a black screen
[05:33] <thoreauputic> dizzie: no way
[05:33] <thoreauputic> dizzie: production? current hoary?
[05:33] <thoreauputic> :(
[05:33] <dizzie> thoreauputic: well :)
[05:33] <sl64> maybe i can corrupt grub.conf and it won't display the boot loader?
[05:33] <sl64> maybe i can disable it somehow so it boots straight thru?
[05:34] <P229> sl64: uh, no
[05:34] <sl64> meh
[05:34] <P229> sl64: do you remember if you installed the bootloader onto the MBR or the first sector of your boot partition?
[05:34] <sl64> at first i installed it on the MBR..
[05:35] <sl64> the 2nd time I installed it to my xp partition (really dumb)
[05:35] <thoreauputic> sl64: use a live CD to get at your stuff- much easier
[05:35] <P229> sl64: quite :)
[05:35] <sl64> roflmao
[05:35] <sl64> ill try fdisk /mbr
[05:35] <sl64> will that do anything?
[05:36] <WhiteRabbit> reformat the mbr it will
[05:36] <sl64> ok
[05:36] <geneo93> yes then you'll be hung in nowhere land
[05:36] <thoreauputic> sl64: not unless you have a DOS floppy with the right stuff on it
[05:36] <WhiteRabbit> make sure to have a media to install something back onto the mbr & know what your doin before hand though
[05:36] <biatche> grrr.... how long will i have to wait for hoary final :/
[05:36] <sl64> what do I need to restore the mbr?
[05:37] <thoreauputic> biatche: April 6
[05:37] <biatche> i have three options now... to install gentoo (what i usually use), hoary, or centos
[05:37] <sl64> i have fdisk
[05:37] <WhiteRabbit> google bootdisk top link
[05:37] <geneo93> s164 bootdisk.com
[05:37] <sl64> ok
[05:37] <geneo93> 6-7 floppys for xp
[05:38] <WhiteRabbit> win98 = 1
[05:38] <sl64> Windows XP Fresh Install Bootdisk?
[05:38] <geneo93> no
[05:38] <WhiteRabbit> sl64, do you happen to own a copy of win98?
[05:38] <sl64> yeh on a cd
[05:38] <gfxstyler> how can i install .ttf fonts in ubuntu?
[05:38] <WhiteRabbit> sl64, grab the win98 boot disk then
[05:38] <sl64> i have it
[05:39] <sl64> well, here is what happened
[05:39] <thoreauputic> gfxstyler: dump them in ~/.fonts
[05:39] <sl64> i have a windows xp boot disk
[05:39] <WhiteRabbit> read up on reinstalling grub
[05:39] <sl64> but it does nothing... heres why:
[05:39] <gfxstyler> thoreauputic: thx
[05:39] <WhiteRabbit> sl64, a floppy boot disk.
[05:39] <sl64> my recovery partition made a virtual drive or something, so whenever it looks for c: it goes to this virtual drive.. and when my xp boot disk is looking for system files (hal.dll, etc..) it cant find em
[05:40] <WhiteRabbit> sl64, be careful you scare me!
[05:40] <P229> if the windows bootloader is overwritten, he's not going to be able to ever boot back into that windows installation
[05:40] <WhiteRabbit> sl64, mybe you should read up on reinstalling grub before blasting any mbrs away.
[05:40] <sl64> will reinstalling grub get rid of that 2nd bootloader though?
[05:40] <P229> sl64: no
[05:41] <sl64> ok then..
[05:41] <sl64> any way to directly edit the boot sector in dos?
[05:41] <sl64> or repair it or something?
[05:41] <P229> sl64: theoretically, yes
[05:41] <P229> sl64: practically, no
[05:42] <thoreauputic> sl64: http://www.enterprisenetworkingplanet.com/netos/article.php/3340051
[05:42] <geneo93> s164 if you installed grub there first time there is nothing left to repair
[05:42] <P229> sl64: please list all your partitions and what's on them
[05:42] <thoreauputic> sl64: that article tells you how to manipulate the mbr and install grub
[05:43] <geneo93> thoreauputic:  he installed grub to ntfs partition though
[05:44] <P229> and the MBR
[05:44] <geneo93> hehe
[05:44] <dizzie> Hrm work in 2 hrs and 20 min. Guess sleep isnt an option :()
[05:44] <gfxstyler> rofl
[05:44] <geneo93> double you chances of never booting windows again
[05:45] <P229> sl64: get a Linux livecd and backup any documents, etc., from your windows installation, because I'm just about 100% certain you won't be able to ever boot that windows installation again
[05:45] <gfxstyler> if someone wants me to never boot windows again please ask god for 3d support @ ati radeon mobility 9600
[05:45] <sl64> i can't really access my windows partiton from a boot disk because that virtual drive is in the way
[05:46] <Centy> Tell it to ATi, not god.
[05:46] <gilbs72> hello. need help. how do i log on as 'root' (graphical)?  need to change folder permissions for users.  ..don't wanna bother everyone with newbie questions.  a good link will do.  advanced thanks!
[05:46] <odie5533> Is Ubuntu slow for anyone?
[05:46] <gfxstyler> Centy: yes u are right
[05:46] <pinPoint> ouchie!
[05:46] <odie5533> Ubuntu is slower than windows and SuSe for me =/
[05:46] <regeya> odie5533: for 486 users.
[05:46] <pinPoint> i just pulled my lappy power supply cable
[05:46] <odie5533> I have a 2.6gHz AMD
[05:46] <pinPoint> while installing
[05:47] <Centy> P229, you read into things too much :P
[05:47] <geneo93> God dont exist man
[05:47] <sl64> and P229:   hda1 has my recovery partition (FAT32), hda2 has my wxp installation w/ grub (NTFS), hda3 has my linux root, hda4 is a extended vfat (automatically made), and hda5 is my swap
[05:47] <P229> sl64: Knoppix will let you mount your NTFS partitions and read data from them
[05:47] <regeya> ATi means more to kids than Jesus
[05:47] <sl64> one sec, ill check that
[05:47] <P229> Centy: :-D
[05:47] <sl64> i tried mounting them, but no luck (hopefully when I try again it will work)
[05:48] <DarthFrog> I find gfxstyler strange.
[05:48] <WhiteRabbit> regeya, some us still belive that the one is above all logic
[05:48] <sl64> it always returned "wrong fs type, bad superblock on /dev/hda2, or too many mounted devices"
[05:48] <gfxstyler> lol
[05:48] <regeya> WhiteRabbit: I was paraphrasing John Lennon, but I happen to agree
[05:48] <geneo93> WhiteRabbit:  i he did why all the bs
[05:48] <Centy> sl64: mount -t ntfs /dev/hda2 /mnt/<FOO>
[05:49] <geneo93> i* if
[05:49] <Centy> sl64: where <FOO> is a mount point (ie, empty directory)
[05:49] <odie5533> I installed windows XP after installing Ubuntu, and now when I load grub, it won't load ubuntu, any ideas?
[05:49] <sl64> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda2,
[05:49] <sl64>        or too many mounted file systems
[05:49] <P229> sl64: if you're lucky, there will be a boot information on /dev/hda1 (your recovery partition). use fdisk to toggle the boot flag on, then reboot
[05:49] <WhiteRabbit> geneo93, the greater the struggle the greater the cause. :)
[05:50] <geneo93> WhiteRabbit:  thats bs
[05:50] <netsniper> anyone know how to delete all the files created in the last 20 minutes
[05:50] <Rene_S> carefully ?
[05:50] <Xenguy> netsniper: find + xargs rm
[05:50] <pinPoint> thats a lousy answer
[05:51] <netsniper> i tried --> for i in `find . -ctime -20`; do rm $i; done
[05:51] <netsniper> Xenguy, ahh thanks man
[05:51] <netsniper> i have seen xargs vefore but never used it
[05:51] <WhiteRabbit> geneo93, Life is a tragedy for those who feel, And a comedy for those who think.
[05:51] <netsniper> it is lousy?
[05:51] <Xenguy> netsniper: just an idea, you'll need to read man pages and debug :-)
[05:51] <netsniper> pinPoint, whats lous?
[05:52] <pinPoint> netsniper: no Rene_S answer
[05:52] <netsniper> oh ok lol
[05:52] <WhiteRabbit> geneo93, Im sorry you feel that way.
[05:52] <Rene_S> Its humour, get off my back
[05:52] <geneo93> why WhiteRabbit
[05:52] <geneo93> i'm fine with it
[05:53] <sl64> im going to go and see if i can still access my windows xp partition
[05:53] <sl64> with a boot disk
[05:53] <sl64> or if there is that virtual drive in the way still
[05:53] <sl64> cya
[05:54] <WhiteRabbit> geneo93, thats all that matters is what you think now even though 10 years from now you willl go wtf was I thinking on a decade scale. as know one has the exact thought process for more than a 10 year span at any giving time.
[05:54] <geneo93> hehe he has no more windows
[05:55] <sabmoc> any way to install an rpm in ubuntu?
[05:55] <geneo93> WhiteRabbit:  i'm 57 yrs old and dont expect to live another 10 yrs
[05:55] <Xenguy> sabmoc: Try to avoid that (is there a specific app you want?)
[05:55] <geneo93> sabmoc:  alien
[05:55] <thoreauputic> sabmoc: sudo apt-get install alien ;  alien <rpm>
[05:55] <WhiteRabbit> geneo93, so your are but a leaf on the river of life & already you think you see the water fall ahead you say, you say.
[05:55] <Xenguy> geneo93: are you ill, or just pessimistic? :-)
[05:56] <sabmoc> thanks for alien
[05:56] <P229> nihilistic, I'm thinking
[05:56] <P229> :-P
[05:56] <geneo93> well i have major problems
[05:56] <technomajian> Greetings, all.
[05:56] <gfxstyler> hey technomajian
[05:57] <Xenguy> geneo93: most problems are workable (thankfully things chance :-)
[05:57] <geneo93> Xenguy:  lots of things going wrong
[05:57] <Xenguy> s/chance/change/
[05:57] <geneo93> mind going south for one
[05:58] <WhiteRabbit> geneo93, Things are only as bad as the beholders mind precives them.
[05:58] <geneo93> arteries pluged for 2
[05:58] <WhiteRabbit> geneo93, the mind can kill with sickness so there forth the mind can heal sickness.
[05:58] <Xenguy> geneo93: that sucks :-(  Sure yer not just psyching yourself out?
[05:59] <geneo93> WhiteRabbit:  you sure wouldn't want what i have to endur
[05:59] <Xenguy> geneo93: for the arteries - *red* wine (seriously)
[05:59] <geneo93> Xenguy:  no its not that at all docs opinion
[05:59] <P229> mmm... red wine
[05:59] <sabmoc> im very afraid
[06:00] <sabmoc> 71 packages need to be updated :(
[06:00] <sabmoc> eeee
[06:00] <WhiteRabbit> geneo93, I promiss you what ever it is someone else has had it way worse than you.
[06:00] <thoreauputic> sabmoc: sounds normal...
[06:00] <crimsun> sabmoc: sudo apt-get install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges
[06:00] <Xenguy> geneo93: doctors need to be taken with a large grain of salt (in most cases)
[06:00] <geneo93> WhiteRabbit:  yeah someone burried
[06:00] <geneo93> hehe
[06:00] <WhiteRabbit> geneo93, being burried is a joy & time for a family party at your parting. :)
[06:01] <Xenguy> WhiteRabbit: I agree that the body will try to heal itself whenever possible
[06:01] <thoreauputic> Xenguy: nah, large grains of salt are bad for blood pressure ;)
[06:01] <sabmoc> crimsun: thank you
[06:01] <Xenguy> thoreauputic: heh
[06:01] <R0bNyc> I thought PReview was going to be the last ubuntu, but now we have again Array 7
[06:01] <kanga> morning sabmov you there?
[06:01] <kanga> sabmoc
[06:01] <sabmoc> kanga: hi
[06:01] <crimsun> R0bNyc: arrays are milestones
[06:01] <sabmoc> kanga: how is the install?
[06:01] <R0bNyc> meaning?
[06:02] <WhiteRabbit> geneo93, those who are earthed are without pain in the sense you feel & see it.
[06:02] <crimsun> R0bNyc: meaning all milestones lead to a release
[06:02] <kanga> sabmoc: hi i got it right had to reburn the cd as an iso it worked when i tried it
[06:02] <R0bNyc> crimsun: oh
[06:02] <R0bNyc> so if I havent gotten it should I get preview or array 7 now
[06:02] <geneo93> crimsun:  do you know the cut off point for hoary or date
[06:02] <crimsun> R0bNyc: array 7
[06:02] <R0bNyc> hopefully milestones comes with the nice ubuntu wallpaper
[06:02] <crimsun> geneo93: RC is 30 March
[06:02] <sabmoc> kanga: cool
[06:03] <kanga> thanks for the help;)
[06:03] <geneo93> cool thanks crimsun
[06:03] <sabmoc> no problem, so what do you think?
[06:03] <onEnterFrame> Hey guys - anyone knows why external CD drives don't work on ubuntu after using it to install ubuntu itself?
[06:03] <crimsun> what sort of external cdrom?
[06:03] <kanga> well i still need to do a lot of learning i already use firefox
[06:03] <onEnterFrame> USB CD-ROM
[06:04] <onEnterFrame> it detects it as CD-ROM 1
[06:04] <onEnterFrame> but
[06:04] <gardion> anyon know how to get quicktime to work in firefox?
[06:04] <onEnterFrame> it shows me a message about "unable to mount drive"
[06:04] <technomajian> When I try to use Synaptic, I'm getting an error from the libtool install saying that there's no C compiler.  I know there is, I just built mplayer with it.  :-/
[06:04] <fabbione> morning
[06:05] <technomajian> wha?  that's ood.
[06:05] <technomajian> It was installed.
[06:05] <technomajian> ?
[06:05] <R0bNyc> so Kubuntu is a seperate distro from Ubuntu now?
[06:05] <Hmmmm> hey guys
[06:05] <onEnterFrame> I looked up ubuntuforums, and some other fella posted the same message . . .but it doesn't detect any CD
[06:05] <Hmmmm> can someone suggest some good repositories for ubuntu?
[06:05] <Hmmmm> im on warty
[06:05] <lunitik> R0bNyc: not really... I forget the terminology we are using though...
[06:05] <[Rain] > ack sorry folks, im going back to windows until hoary final comes out, my computer froze 5 times and my wireless internet crapped out 6 times (only to be fixed by 2 restarts each time), not to mention the endless configuring I have to do
[06:06] <sabmoc> crimsun: can you give me a quick example of using apt-listbugs? Why does man never come with examples?
[06:06] <crimsun> R0bNyc: yes, it is (always has been afaik)
[06:06] <onEnterFrame> so, any idea why the CD isn't working?
[06:07] <R0bNyc> thanks
[06:07] <crimsun> sabmoc: both apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges are invoked when you apt-get {dist-}upgrade
[06:07] <R0bNyc> not interested in it lol bigger than 650mb
[06:07] <sl64> ok, well... it seems that on my xp partition it is ready to boot into recovery console... is there any way i can jump-start the recovery console on from dos?
[06:07] <R0bNyc> I'll just kde when I install ubuntu anyways, so that means if IM on kde I'll have togo to kubuntu for support on kde?
[06:07] <crimsun> sabmoc: immediately prior to unpacking and setting up updated packages, both will run
[06:08] <sabmoc> crimsun: synaptic?
[06:08] <crimsun> sabmoc: try it with apt-get
[06:08] <Hmmmm> sabmoc, any idea when gnome 2.10 will be apt-gettable on warty? or do we have to wait for hoary?
[06:08] <hone> Hmmmm: probably hoary
[06:08] <hone> Hmmmm: it's coming out april 6
[06:08] <crimsun> Hmmmm: warty will not receive package updates unless they're security errata
[06:09] <sabmoc> Hmmmm: yep, what crimsun said. Hoary has gnome2.10 already and its nice.
[06:09] <Fackamato> Hmmmm: no reason to use warty when there's hoary :>
[06:09] <sabmoc> Fackamato: enless daily upgrades scare the bejebus out of you.
[06:10] <Fackamato> :P
[06:10] <geneo93> Fackamato:  get used to it
[06:11] <thoreauputic> Fackamato: warty works quite nicely for me, thank you - I'll upgrade when my CDs arrive ;-)
[06:11] <sabmoc> crimsun: is dist-upgrade for upgrading from say.. warty to hoary, and just upgrade for regular use, or what is the deal?
[06:11] <Fackamato> geneo93: ?
[06:11] <Hmmmm> so if i use hoary beta i get gnome 2.10?
[06:11] <geneo93> linux is moving at a real fast pace now
[06:11] <crimsun> sabmoc: it's useful whenever dependencies need to be resolved by adding new or removing old packages
[06:12] <Hmmmm> im moving to amd 64
[06:12] <sabmoc> thoreauputic: your lucky, i wish I could use warty. but my usb printer/scanner/thing didnt like warty. Hoary is excelent, but I hate upgrading.. :P
[06:12] <Hmmmm> so i think i'll do a fresh install of hoary n april 7th
[06:12] <sl64> what makes a boot diskette boot? is it the boot.ini file?
[06:12] <crimsun> sabmoc: have a little faith in your distro. ;-P
[06:12] <sabmoc> crimsun: haha
[06:12] <Hmmmm> Fackamato, know of any good irc channels for linux security?
[06:12] <pest> is ape 7th the release???
[06:12] <Fackamato> Hmmmm: #security ? :P
[06:12] <thoreauputic> sabmoc: now if I could just get my old parallel port Canon scanner working ... *sigh*
[06:13] <Fackamato> linux is as secure as can be when you have no daemons
[06:13] <Hmmmm> Fackamato, thanks
[06:13] <EkSoN> where mount /deb ubunti live hoary?
[06:13] <EkSoN> where mount /deb ubuntu live hoary?
[06:13] <Fackamato> even better, run iptables and block every incoming and outcoming traffic except port 80 outwards
[06:13] <lunitik> Fackamato: outcoming huh?  :P
[06:13] <sapphari> i have been trying to get my linux connected to the internet, i have tried things,  and nothing is working,  should i try again,  or reinstall ubuntu?
[06:14] <crimsun> sapphari: wired ethernet or wireless?
[06:14] <Fackamato> lunitik: i'm tired p:
[06:14] <sabmoc> thoreauputic: those can be pretty tricky sometimes :) but usb is where the cool stuff is happening if you can afford a new printer
[06:14] <onEnterFrame> ha my messages always gets ignored here
[06:14] <pest> anyone got cd burning to work on a laptop w/ combo drive???
[06:14] <crimsun> onEnterFrame: just be patient, please
[06:14] <sapphari> ethernet etho i think
[06:14] <Fackamato> sapphari: huh? give us some info, we can't guess what you have tried nor what error you get nor what setup you'rte using
[06:14] <thoreauputic> sabmoc: I intend to get a new scanner - my printer works fine though
[06:14] <sabmoc> pest what do you mean combo drive?
[06:15] <pest> dvd/cd-rw
[06:15] <jsgotangco> dvd/cd writer
[06:15] <pest> si
[06:15] <sapphari> i have tried sudo pppoeconf
[06:15] <Fackamato> pppoeconf, aha, so you're connecting your computer directly to your adsl modem which is using pppoe
[06:16] <sapphari> i guess
[06:16] <sapphari> i am new to all this
[06:16] <sapphari> very new
[06:16] <Fackamato> to use linux
[06:16] <Fackamato> you really have to know
[06:16] <geneo93> sapphari:  hve you tried network-admin
[06:16] <Fackamato> where the cables go from, and to
[06:16] <sabmoc> thoreauputic: I have an epson cx6400, printer/scanner with a usb flash card slot, all three work out of the box with hoary. Its nice to just pop the flash card from my camera into the printer and have an icon pop up on the desktop :) very sexy.
[06:16] <pest> sapphari... do mii-tool and see what it says
[06:17] <thoreauputic> sabmoc: sounds cool, indeed :)
[06:17] <sapphari> that is the thing,  ihave to reboot to linux to try things
[06:17] <sapphari> cause the other pc crashed
[06:17] <sapphari> i hate windows
[06:17] <crimsun> onEnterFrame: if you've already booted into Linux, please lsmod|grep ^sd_mod
[06:17] <sapphari> i had this one networked through the other pc
[06:18] <gfxstyler> see u guys
[06:18] <pest> then i dont think you should be using pppoe
[06:18] <pest> sapp... why arent you using a router???
[06:18] <sapphari> i basically need to write down what i need to do
[06:18] <sapphari> i was
[06:18] <Fackamato> don't I reconnect fast?
[06:18] <Fackamato> :P
[06:19] <pest> then dont use pppoe
[06:19] <sapphari> but i am not connected to the router now
[06:20] <pest> use mii-tool to check for connection, then use dhclient to get an address and the rest should be history
[06:20] <pest> what are you connected to???
[06:20] <rempresent> a-hoi-hoi, I have a question about tarballs
[06:20] <pest> tar -cvf
[06:20] <sapphari> straight connection now
[06:20] <pest> straight to what>??
[06:20] <sapphari> to dial up
[06:21] <rempresent> pest  are you talking to me
[06:21] <pest> eww..........
[06:21] <pest> sure
[06:21] <Myrtti> tar -zcvf package-in-need-of-unpacking.tar.gz
[06:21] <sapphari> i use the router when i am connected to the other pc
[06:21] <pest> wtf?
[06:21] <pest> why
[06:21] <sapphari> i don't know what else to do
[06:22] <sapphari> if the other pc is crashed
[06:22] <pest> what is your layout?
[06:22] <rempresent> yeah, i untarred the package, but when i go to do a ./configure, my terminal says that there is no such directory
[06:22] <pest> from the www in
[06:23] <pest> sapp?
[06:23] <sapphari> i told you i was very new
[06:23] <Myrtti> rempresent: you are in the directory you unpacked?
[06:23] <Myrtti> before you try ./configure?
[06:23] <rempresent> yep
[06:23] <rempresent> yep
[06:23] <Myrtti> what are you trying to configure?
[06:23] <Myrtti> or install
[06:23] <rempresent> still gives me that error
[06:24] <rempresent> i am trying to azureus to work, and mozilla thunderbird
[06:24] <geneo93> ok maybe there not a config file
[06:24] <Myrtti> rempresent: using warty?
[06:24] <rempresent> yep
[06:25] <Myrtti> I figured, since thunderbird is available in apt in hoary
[06:25] <Myrtti> not sure about azureus
[06:25] <pest> sapp.... what is your network setup from the internet in?
[06:25] <rempresent> yeah, they only offer bittorrnado, i haven't messed with that much
[06:25] <geneo93> azaureus has a jar file to start it
[06:25] <pest> your network blueprint
[06:25] <rempresent> yeah
[06:25] <Fackamato> why use source
[06:25] <rempresent> do i need to get java dependencies for that to work
[06:25] <Fackamato> apt is there for a reason
[06:26] <rempresent> aparently apt can't find either thunderbird or azureus
[06:26] <Myrtti> azureus isn't in hoary either
[06:26] <Myrtti> rempresent: not in warty, no, not thunderbird
[06:26] <Myrtti> but in hoary it is
[06:26] <rempresent> alright... that tells me wha
[06:27] <crimsun> can't be due to Java issues, but there's a faint glimmer wrt jvm-dependent packages
[06:27] <rempresent> am i out of luck or do i need to compile source
[06:27] <geneo93> i have azureus in heree but not from src
[06:27] <Myrtti> that if you would move up to the hoary which is due to be stable in a month, you'd get thunderbird with apt
[06:27] <sabmoc> does xorg support those sexy mouse pointers like xfree86?
[06:27] <crimsun> sabmoc: yes
[06:28] <rempresent> ok, i am fine with the gnome desktop, but it is slow, is kubuntu an good option?
[06:28] <sabmoc> crimsun: it is setup the same way?
[06:28] <Myrtti> rempresent: do not fix what isn't broken
[06:29] <crimsun> sabmoc: different environments offer differing methods, but essentially, yes
[06:30] <sabmoc> rempresent: I've always found kde slower than gnome, but maybe thats just my biased subconscious favouritism when it comes to gnome.
[06:30] <rempresent> got it
[06:30] <rempresent> thanks
[06:30] <rempresent> i am out, for the night, peace
[06:30] <geneo93> crimsun:  i asked you about java yesterday did you find out if thats a sun problem or ubuntu
[06:31] <crimsun> geneo93: err, refresh my memory please
[06:32] <geneo93> well in the java dir it has jre1.5 instead of j2re1.5
[06:32] <crimsun> geneo93: that's not even an issue; just adjust your $PATH and symlinks accordingly
[06:33] <geneo93> k well i followed al the things so maybe i didn't notice to after
[06:36] <crimsun> geneo93: does ,,java -version'' work correctly, though?
[06:36] <geneo93> wonder how much google spent on the st. pattys day art
[06:37] <geneo93> gij (GNU libgcj) version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-8ubuntu2)
[06:37] <HillTop> Anyone else have trouble with this link   http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/0,2000061733,39185092,00.htm      It blows away Firefox in Warty -- repeats anytime I click to it. But I can save the web page to hard disc and it read/edits in Nvu without trouble.
[06:37] <DavidH86> so can anyone tell me why it is that i can run a program if i set it as a exec   but if i dotn then it say permission denied
[06:37] <DarthFrog> HillTop: Loads fine.
[06:37] <Myrtti> executable?
[06:37] <DarthFrog> HillTop: In Hoary, that is.
[06:38] <DavidH86> yesd
[06:38] <Myrtti> DavidH86: that's what it's supposed to do
[06:38] <DavidH86> ok
[06:38] <Jeezis> HillTop: loads fine on Hoary
[06:38] <DavidH86> its the unreal tournament 2k4 server
[06:39] <HillTop> Thanks DarthFrog.   But what about Warty anyone?  I just burned a new Hoary live CD :)   But Warty is on the hard disk. :/  Guess I'll read the article in Nvu. Sure nice to have more than one browser!
[06:39] <Myrtti> DavidH86: executable is a permission. You need to give the programs you want to run certain permissions
[06:39] <DavidH86> but ti starts then liek stops
[06:39] <DavidH86> so i dont know why
[06:39] <crimsun> geneo93: ok, so do you have the sun jre in your $PATH?
[06:40] <DarthFrog> HillTop: It's very easy to upgrade an installed system from Warty to Hoary.
[06:40] <Myrtti> mmmmm chocolate
[06:40] <DarthFrog> HillTop: But you probably know that. :-)
[06:40] <pest> anyone got cd burning to work on a laptop w/ combo drive???
[06:40] <Jeezis> pest: yeah
[06:41] <Jeezis> pest: works fine on my sager 9860-s using hoary
[06:41] <pest> i cant get it to work, getting it to play DVDs was a pain too
[06:41] <Jeezis> pest: hmmm, havent tried playing dvds yet, but it burned cds fine
[06:41] <pest> it plays DVDs now, but has never burnt cd's
[06:42] <Jeezis> pest: does it give you any errors?
[06:42] <pest> i tried gcombust, k3b, gnome-baker
[06:42] <HillTop> Thanks DarthFrog.   I'm checking out Warty -- learning. And in April I'll upgrade.  I read that upgrades to Hoary while in preview might be risky.  I did do an total refresh of the system today, so it up to date Warty.  Why would Firefox Hoary be better than current Warty Firefox?
[06:42] <sevas_26> hello crew
[06:42] <pest> something about it being the wrong size
[06:42] <Jeezis> pest: hmmm
[06:42] <pest> illegal mode
[06:43] <pest> error 255
[06:43] <DarthFrog> HillTop: Different support libraries, perhaps.  And upgrading to Hoary is almost risk-free. :-)
[06:43] <bored> How can I get MPlayer to work with eSound ??
[06:44] <sevas_26> guy's  I wanna install ubuntu ontop my old suse , but I don't want to change my /home
[06:44] <sevas_26> there's some way to do that ???
[06:44] <pest> secvas, did you partition as a seperate /home
[06:44] <DarthFrog> HillTop: Mind you, it's very much my impression that Ubuntu is a truly excellent Linux distribution, good for newbies and experts alike.  I've been running Linux since 1993 and feel right at home in Ubuntu.
[06:44] <Myrtti> HillTop: because hoary firefox is 1.0.1 and warty firefox is 0.9.3
[06:44] <DavidH86> grr why does the exec start   then stops and goes back to command promp
[06:44] <Jeezis> pest: whats the make and model of your machine?
[06:44] <sevas_26> [pest]  no
[06:45] <pest> enpower 740
[06:45] <HillTop> DarthFrog.  If I update to Hoary, will the extra programs I installed: Nvu, Acrobat Reader, etc. be OK or will their library connections be broken? :/    Oh!! Thanks Myrtti, that would explain that. :)
[06:46] <sabmoc> crimsun: Wow, no breakage; apt-listbugs is very reasuring, thanks again.
[06:46] <DarthFrog> HillTop: They'll be fine.
[06:46] <bored> How can I get MPlayer to work with eSound ??
[06:46] <markybob> anyone know of an openoffice.org 2.0 beta repository for ubuntu?
[06:46] <sabmoc> markybob: I think its in multiverse
[06:46] <crimsun> bored: mpalyer -ao esd
[06:46] <crimsun> bored: mplayer^
[06:47] <markybob> sabmoc, can you point me to where i can read about that?  i'm a debian user, just trying out ubuntu
[06:47] <Myrtti> HillTop: don't know about that
[06:47] <bored> thanks crimsun, how can I do this in gmplayer if I cant see ESD in the config ?
[06:47] <DarthFrog> markybob: It's in universe.  openoffice.org2
[06:47] <crimsun> markybob: 1.9.76 is in hoary/main
[06:47] <spreda> join #slug
[06:47] <markybob> oh ok.  thanks.
[06:48] <deFrysk> markybob, its somewjere :D
[06:48] <DarthFrog> crimsun: The beta for OO.o 2 is in main?  Wow.
[06:48] <sevas_26> [pest]  are u there ??
[06:48] <pest> yup
[06:48] <sevas_26> ahh,
[06:48] <pest> enpower 740
[06:48] <sabmoc> markybob: I just read moments ago on ubuntu wiki about feature planning for hoary and it listed Ooo2 as pending in multiverse, more than that I cant tell you.
[06:49] <sabmoc> yeah, what crimsun said.. kekeke
[06:49] <pest> sevas, if you did'nt partition your home seperately, you may be in for a hard life lesson
[06:49] <gardion> anybody got sound to work with mplayer?
[06:49] <sevas_26> [pest]  there is some way to keep  ?home
[06:49] <gardion> I can see pictures but not sound.
[06:49] <pinPoint> this os looks nice
[06:49] <sevas_26> >>/home
[06:49] <pinPoint> heheh
[06:49] <bored> gardion same question here, cant get esd in it :@
[06:50] <gardion> I wanted to add mplayer so I could watch quicktime
[06:50] <raghu> any one has manual to refer about NAS
[06:50] <pest> anybody<gardion> anybody got sound to work with mplayer?..........turn off the sound system, and only use one a/v prog at a time
[06:50] <crimsun> gardion: you turned _off_ the sound system?
[06:51] <pest> sevas, you could always build a fileserver to pull everything onto and back from
[06:51] <bored> crimsun it works thank u!
[06:51] <crimsun> bored: np
[06:51] <gardion> how do you turn off the sound?
[06:51] <pest> hang on.......
[06:51] <crimsun> gardion: oh, sorry, I misread pest's response.
[06:52] <sevas_26> [pest]  u mind,  ftp server
[06:52] <crimsun> gardion: did you try mplayer -ao esd ?
[06:52] <bored> gardion system > pref > sound > disable
[06:52] <pest> desktop preferences>>sound
[06:52] <gardion> let me try that.  mplayer -ao esd first
[06:53] <pest> sevas, yup, i got one just for shizzle like this
[06:53] <sevas_26> or make a new partition n back it up,  right ??
[06:53] <pest> you certainly could if ya got space
[06:54] <sevas_26> yeah, I have  enough
[06:54] <pest> qtparted
[06:54] <sevas_26> [pest]  manpart ??
[06:54] <pest> learn it live it love it
[06:54] <sevas_26> ok
[06:54] <sevas_26> fdisk , no ??
[06:55] <pest> sure
[06:55] <pest> its all about pref's
[06:55] <sevas_26> I newby :/
[06:55] <pest> then use qtparted
[06:55] <thoreauputic> sevas_26: why are the nicks you address showing as [nick]  ? Makes it look like you are quoting someone.. ?
[06:55] <sevas_26> taking notes
[06:56] <siimo> hi can i FTP install ubuntu ?
[06:56] <siimo> hoary
[06:56] <pest> sevas, get linux complete by sybex books
[06:56] <pinPoint> its very hairy... erh hoary
[06:57] <siimo> or even a 100MB netinstall iso like debian?
[06:57] <siimo> i dont need more than half the stuff on the full iso
[06:57] <crimsun> siimo: then do a minimal install in expert mode from the iso.
[06:57] <sevas_26> [pest]  sybex ?
[06:57] <pest> its dated, but it'll teach you all that there is to know for $19.99
[06:57] <pest> 2002
[06:57] <Jeezis> siimo: get the full iso and do expert install
[06:57] <Jeezis> choose the packages you want
[06:57] <pest> yea, sybex books
[06:57] <siimo> crimsun, i remember seeing a 4 or 5 MB boot.iso before
[06:57] <siimo> not exist anymore?
[06:58] <edlang> hang on. are you guys somewhat arguing about an irc script?
[06:58] <sevas_26> ok, thanks for the info
[06:58] <pest> amazon for $2.47 US
[06:58] <sevas_26> :)
[06:58] <gardion> I still can't hear sound with mplayer after turning the sound off.
[06:58] <gardion> what multimedia framework should gstreamer be using?
[06:59] <pest> congrats on dumping suse by the way, she can be an evil bitch with all those deps
[06:59] <sevas_26> yes
[06:59] <sevas_26> [pest]  is  driving me crazy somethimes
[06:59] <Myrtti> I remember back when I first tried Linux
[06:59] <pest> foshizzle
[06:59] <Myrtti> Red Hat 8 or 7
[06:59] <Myrtti> dependency hell
[06:59] <Myrtti> <3
[07:00] <Myrtti> mmmm more chocolate
[07:00] <crimsun> gardion: if you turned off the sound system, then just use mplayer -ao alsa
[07:00] <deFrysk> Myrtti, never had probs with rh7
[07:00] <sevas_26> try ubuntu frst in a old  P3 500Mz n' rock's
[07:00] <deFrysk> <--broadband
[07:00] <sevas_26> now  I want ubuntu  in this one
[07:00] <crimsun> siimo: I don't see one at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/array-7/
[07:00] <pest> gardion, try www.ubuntuguide.org has a walkthrough on getting sound issues worked out
[07:01] <Myrtti> deFrysk: I had newbie problems, that I admit
[07:01] <deFrysk> Myrtti, ok ;)
[07:01] <Myrtti> but I remember what it was like trying to search for such and such software
[07:01] <pinPoint> hello, how can I install my wireless nic
[07:01] <Myrtti> could've been 6
[07:02] <Jeezis> pinPoint: ndiswrapper
[07:02] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[07:02] <deFrysk> Myrtti, in my early days i had a hard time to let go of the m$ way thinking
[07:02] <pest> >>>DUMB QUESTION OF THE NIGHT<<<  can you iqc on multiple servers at once, not just channels??? never used irc before...
[07:02] <Myrtti> pest: yes
[07:02] <Jeezis> pest: yup
[07:02] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: then trying to understand all the different architectures, and which version etc - I remember too :)
[07:02] <Myrtti> or wait
[07:02] <sevas_26> defrisk   :-P
[07:02] <Myrtti> pest: depends fully on your client :-)
[07:02] <pest> i wonder what is going on then
[07:02] <Jeezis> pest: well, what client are you using
[07:02] <pest> x-chat
[07:03] <Jeezis> lol, Myrtti
[07:03] <thoreauputic> pest: make a new server tab
[07:03] <sevas_26> I leaving >> thank u guy's again 4 all the info
[07:03] <pest> it cut me offa colug when i came here
[07:03] <Myrtti> Jeezis: it's not that far away when mIRC could connect only to one server at the time
[07:03] <deFrysk> I think at first we all had 'how do i install winamp.exe ?' feelings
[07:03] <sevas_26> thank u [pest] 
[07:03] <Myrtti> I think I used it then
[07:03] <deFrysk> ;p
[07:03] <pest> no worries, sevas
[07:04] <pest> where you at by the way, sevas
[07:04] <pest> ?
[07:04] <Myrtti> Aberdeeb
[07:04] <Myrtti> Aberdeen, even
[07:04] <Myrtti> ;-)
[07:04] <sevas_26> yes
[07:04] <pinPoint> Jeezis: oh boi, i was afraid of that. i was just fighting the whole day with mdk10.1
[07:05] <sevas_26> close enough
[07:05] <pinPoint> i switched now im back again
[07:05] <Jeezis> pinPoint: yeah, i used mdk 10.0 & 10.1, i think you'll like a debian based distro a lot better
[07:05] <pest> pin... you think your fighting, try getting kismet to jive w/ an intel 2100
[07:05] <sevas_26> aberdeen , maryland
[07:05] <pinPoint> whats that
[07:06] <pest> sevas, fun...kerrycountry
[07:06] <pinPoint> Jeezis: does that mean it will be easier
[07:06] <pest> kismet and intel 2100 dont like eachother
[07:06] <sevas_26> LOL
[07:06] <thoreauputic> sevas_26: hah - here I was imagining you in Scotland !
[07:06] <pinPoint> because on mdk i could not get wlan0 to up
[07:06] <Jeezis> neither do ati x800 mobile and x
[07:06] <pinPoint> it was installed though
[07:06] <sevas_26> no fun, just cool winter
[07:06] <Jeezis> they dont like each other at all
[07:07] <pest> i wish that bastard would have been more like edwards
[07:07] <Myrtti> you know what I just realized
[07:07] <Myrtti> I have to reinstall the whole shebang today or tomorrow
[07:07] <pest> or 1280x800 lcd's from noname in korea
[07:07] <Myrtti> I'm getting a new CPU and mobo
[07:07] <deFrysk> my updatewatch insists on seeing two (more) updates , its beginning to act like rhd's up2date hehe
[07:08] <Jeezis> Myrtti, i was just laughing earlier b/c we were saying the same things
[07:08] <Jeezis> at the same time
[07:08] <Myrtti> Jeezis: sync :-)
[07:08] <pest> ive got my dang X11config file burnt to cd cause i know damn well that nothing else works
[07:08] <sevas_26> gotta sleep,  bye
[07:09] <Myrtti> no, but seriously, I love my irssi over mIRC
[07:09] <pest> peace
[07:09] <pest> sevas
[07:09] <Myrtti> I can't understand what kept me on mIRC for such a long time
[07:09] <geneo91> crimsun:  everything is in order for java
[07:09] <crimsun> geneo91: ok
[07:09] <pest> who needs java
[07:10] <crimsun> I do, for one. :-)
[07:10] <geneo91> azureus does
[07:10] <pest> poo
[07:10] <geneo91> pest:  must be one of those beos users
[07:10] <Jeezis> right now i have to use default settings for xorg, gnome wouldnt even recognise that i had an ati card
[07:10] <pest> i need not your java crapplet
[07:11] <hayden> theres alot of updates after installing from the preview release disc
[07:11] <Jeezis> luckily kde 3.4 does, i just need to get fgxlr to recognise it
[07:11] <crimsun> eh, Java has its uses.
[07:11] <Myrtti> I'd need it, I need to rehearse java coding
[07:11] <lunitik> hayden: well... it is about 3 days old...
[07:11] <Myrtti> though I loaned my Java book to a friend of mine
[07:11] <Jeezis> crimsun, yes it does
[07:11] <crimsun> it, like any computer programming language, is not a catch-all
[07:11] <geneo91> jython
[07:12] <Jeezis> its nice to have the security of running on a virtual machine tho
[07:12] <hayden> lunitik, 3 days and 175MB of updates :)
[07:12] <crimsun> If I were to discard, I'd leave my students in a fairly bad position to interview for industry positions.
[07:12] <lunitik> hayden: busy bunch  :P
[07:12] <hayden> yea
[07:12] <crimsun> discard Java, rather
[07:12] <pest> i only diss java cause its a royal bitch on linux
[07:13] <yoyo|bot> +mono
[07:13] <Jeezis> pest: thats why you need to dual-boot ;)
[07:13] <pest> and i F'ing hate programming'
[07:13] <pinPoint> how come I cant do su on my terminals
[07:13] <pinPoint> this is different
[07:13] <Jeezis> its us lazy peoples way of resolving certain issues
[07:13] <pest> dual boot, hell no!
[07:13] <crimsun> pinPoint: you need to set a root password...
[07:13] <pinPoint> and the setup never asked me for a root pass
[07:13] <schasi> pest: Why is java such a bitch?
[07:13] <crimsun> pinPoint: first, have you ensured that sudo and gksudo are inadequate?
[07:14] <thoreauputic> pinPoint: use  sudo <command> with your user pass
[07:14] <pinPoint> huh?
[07:14] <Jeezis> pinPoint: sudo root passwd <password>
[07:14] <Myrtti> pest: some of us are masochistic enough to consider it a future career
[07:14] <Myrtti> programming, I mean
[07:14] <pest> windows dosent touch my network, it the principal of it all, (and i like to be one of those uppity linux purists)
[07:14] <Myrtti> though this EU software patent issue gives that future plan a ugly looking vertex
[07:15] <Jeezis> pest: hehehe, i just have winblows for gaming
[07:15] <schasi> pest: There have just been some windws-sent-packets that went into your network
[07:15] <crimsun> pest: so you use completely open hardware, from the bios upward?
[07:15] <Myrtti> Jeezis: I actually play games more on Linux than I ever did in Windows
[07:15] <pest> someday........
[07:15] <pest> oh, and fuck the EU
[07:15] <pest> (by the way)
[07:16] <Jeezis> Myrtti: yes, i just havent gotten my 3d to work yet
[07:16] <schasi> Jeezis: sudo ROOT passwd <password> ?
[07:16] <crimsun> language, please. Remember the CoC.
[07:16] <yoyo|bot> +world
[07:16] <schasi> whats the root for? i did it without it
[07:16] <pest> ok sorry, fudge the goddarned EU!
[07:16] <Jeezis> schasi: i couldnt remember if you needed it or not
[07:16] <schasi> or changed it, sudo passwd root
[07:16] <sic|> anyone know of a really good mixer that will kick ass for things like TeamSpeak?
[07:16] <pinPoint> Jeezis: thats so complicated
[07:16] <pinPoint> all i did was
[07:17] <pinPoint> passwd
[07:17] <pinPoint> that all
[07:17] <pinPoint> thats*
[07:17] <crimsun> sic|: please be more precise regarding "mixer"
[07:17] <pinPoint> got that habit from my bsd box
[07:17] <pest> yea 3d sucks if ya got funky hardware
[07:17] <Jeezis> pinPoint: you use linux! why make anything simple! ;)
[07:17] <pest> fo reel
[07:17] <pinPoint> all that typing
[07:17] <sic|> crimsun: sound card mixer...  ex. alsa, OSS
[07:17] <pinPoint> man, i dont commute that far
[07:17] <pinPoint> lol
[07:18] <pest> i only hate java causi i suck at proggramming
[07:18] <Jeezis> pest: i have an ati x800 pro mobility...and i also have to make alsa like my sound card
[07:18] <sic|> crimsun: can't get TeamSpeak to work right...people can barely hear me
[07:18] <crimsun> sic|: Are you referring to a gui mixer control, like the Volume Control or alsamixergui?
[07:18] <micmur> Hey crimsun
[07:18] <crimsun> hi.
[07:18] <pest> alsa here, with an ati radeon mobility 9600 1280x800
[07:19] <sic|> crimsun: yes
[07:19] <crimsun> sic|: and the ALSA mixer option in Volume Control isn't cutting it?
[07:19] <pinPoint> Jeezis: tell me, i dont have to install a new kernel do I?
[07:19] <pinPoint> for ndiswrapper
[07:19] <crimsun> Jeezis: which sound card?
[07:19] <pest> anyone from denver???
[07:19] <sic|> crimsun: nope...people can barely hear me and I have it turned all the way up
[07:19] <Jeezis> crimsun: realtek
[07:20] <crimsun> Jeezis: could you be more precise? realtek only describes the ac97, not the actual controller
[07:20] <Jeezis> pinPoint: i wouldnt think so, they have a repository for it i believe
[07:20] <Jeezis> crimsun: sure just a sec
[07:20] <micmur> Any reason why, when I installed Array 7, I would be getting errors in sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg
[07:20] <micmur> fontconfig file?
[07:21] <Sion_Barzhad> i have downloaded a .wmv file, It plays the audio, but no visual. How do I get it too work. I can see an image of the clip on the file Thumbnail
[07:21] <crimsun> micmur: there's a thread on u-u about it :-)
[07:21] <pinS> this line here
[07:21] <micmur> k
[07:21] <pinS> ln -s /usr/src/linux-<kernel-version> /lib/modules/VERSION/build
[07:21] <farruinn> micmur: this is while installing array 7?
[07:21] <micmur> Post-install
[07:21] <Myrtti> Sion_Barzhad: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:21] <Jeezis> crimsun: realtek hd audio with 5.1 sound
[07:21] <Sion_Barzhad> I can run other wmvs
[07:21] <Sion_Barzhad> just not his one
[07:21] <crimsun> pinS: _bad_ idea.  Instead, sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[07:21] <Sion_Barzhad> i alreayd have the codecs
[07:22] <pinS> what
[07:22] <pinS> thats on the ndiswrapper manual
[07:22] <micmur> I just installed the linux-686 image and I'm getting that as an error
[07:22] <pinS> whats that stuff you typed
[07:22] <crimsun> pinS: do not manually create the symlink, use the appropriate linux-headers-foo package
[07:22] <pinS> sudo apt-get install linux*??
[07:23] <pinS> gosh!! that looks close to programming
[07:23] <crimsun> pinS: no, what I typed above: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[07:23] <pinS> it doesnt get simpler than that huh
[07:23] <Sion_Barzhad> TAHNK YOU ASSHOLES FOR HELPING
[07:23] <pinS> that right there looks like a function itself
[07:23] <pinS> lol
[07:23] <Myrtti> that was quite constructive
[07:24] <Myrtti> I might say
[07:24] <Jeezis> that it was
[07:24] <crimsun> yes, he waited a whole 3 minutes.
[07:24] <bluefoxicy> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SUIDFiles
[07:24] <crimsun> thank goodness for patience, eh?
[07:24] <thoreauputic> wow, a 2 minute patience fuse...
[07:24] <pinS> its good compared to a grenade ;)
[07:24] <pest> let microsoft have him!
[07:24] <sic|> well, linux in any distro is FAR from ready for the end user...so people get really frustrated...doesn't excuse his behavior though
[07:24] <Myrtti> I prolly shouldn't have tried to help him at all
[07:24] <Jeezis> oh well, now he will never be able to play his poor wmv file
[07:24] <Myrtti> maybe he would've had better fuse then
[07:25] <lithiumfox> yaw
[07:25] <pest> (wmv is pretty much just for porno anyways)...
[07:25] <sabmoc> crimsun: apt-listbugs also works with synaptic, but you have to toggle the "terminal view" or it will sit there and wait for you to hit enter to continue with installation.
[07:25] <Jeezis> pest: exactly ;)
[07:26] <crimsun> Jeezis: please be more specific, preferrably the line from lspci -v
[07:26] <pest> and it sucks that mosta the time they dont work!!!
[07:26] <geneo91> the way i figure i have the rest of my life to figure this out
[07:26] <mdz> micmur: bug #7819, just recently fixed
[07:26] <Myrtti> I actually might need wmv support to look at a news recording at a Finnish television station
[07:26] <pinS> crimsun, so that gets it and installs what exactly
[07:27] <lithiumfox> alot of stuff uses wmv streaming other then porn
[07:27] <micmur> Looking at the u-u forum
[07:27] <Myrtti> they sent us email that they are doing a piece on our website and the stuff it informs about
[07:27] <pinS> why dont i need to create link
[07:27] <micmur> Problems solved
[07:27] <lithiumfox> i think real has more porn usage
[07:27] <micmur> Thanks crimsun
[07:27] <sabmoc> Myrtti: *cough, porn, cough*
[07:27] <pest> I'm getting to the point that im planning on using only FREE-FREE software, and thatll have to include codecs
[07:27] <Myrtti> sabmoc: quite the opposite, I might say
[07:27] <sabmoc> Myrtti: only joking :)
[07:27] <micmur> crimsun: When you have a few, lemme know
[07:27] <Myrtti> sabmoc: I know
[07:28] <crimsun> pinS: installing that package installs the necessary files and creates the proper symlink
[07:28] <pinS> Setting up linux-headers-2.6.10-4-386 (2.6.10-25.2) ...
[07:28] <pinS> Errors were encountered while processing:
[07:28] <Jeezis> crimsun: sorry, i'm in windoze now...downloading half life 2
[07:28] <crimsun> pinS: you should be using 2.6.10-5-foo
[07:28] <Myrtti> I'm just having a bad morning and I'm trying to get it back on the right tracks with tiny little easter eggs
[07:28] <Jeezis> i mean...>_>
[07:28] <pinS> ??
[07:28] <Myrtti> chocolate mmmmm
[07:29] <pinS> i just installed this for the first time tonight
[07:29] <pinS> i have no idea of what you speak off
[07:29] <pinS> of*
[07:29] <crimsun> pinS: there're many fixes for the kernel that are in an updated kernel package
[07:29] <pinS> ok...
[07:29] <zenrox> and pinS  whats your cpu
[07:29] <pinS> 2.66ghz
[07:29] <zenrox> 386 bprobly ant needed
[07:30] <zenrox> celron
[07:30] <zenrox> ??
[07:30] <crimsun> sic|: have you tried manually adjusting the necessary sliders in alsamixer (running in a Terminal)?
[07:30] <pinS> pentium
[07:30] <zenrox> pinS, get the linux-2.6.10-5-686 kernel
[07:30] <pinS> how
[07:30] <zenrox> stay away from the 386
[07:30] <siimo> hi does warty use udev ?
[07:30] <crimsun> siimo: yes
[07:31] <pinS> zenrox, i typed this sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[07:31] <pinS> and it did its thing
[07:31] <siimo> so i can actually dist-upgradr to hoary without too much problems if i just do a expert base install of warty
[07:31] <zenrox> pinS,  do a sudo apt-get install linux-686
[07:31] <gardion> any of you had trouble with the cd player?
[07:31] <crimsun> siimo: certainly
[07:31] <hayden> how can i check how much free space i have on my drives?
[07:31] <gardion> with the cd player playing cds.
[07:31] <crimsun> hayden: df -h
[07:31] <hayden> thanks agian
[07:32] <crimsun> hayden: or the GNOME System Monitor
[07:32] <hayden> ok
[07:32] <pinS> you guys dont mind helping me do you?
[07:32] <zenrox> pinS,  nope
[07:32] <pinS> im alittle lost on the new OS
[07:32] <Myrtti> pinS: that's what we're here to do
[07:32] <pinS> ok :)
[07:32] <zenrox> yep
[07:32] <Myrtti> and get some help in our problems, if they exist
[07:33] <zenrox> we came for help but stayed for frendships
[07:33] <thoreauputic> pinS: this is a help channel :)
[07:33] <pinS> Setting up linux-restricted-modules-686 (2.6.10-7) ...
[07:33] <pinS> Setting up linux-686 (2.6.10-7) ...
[07:33] <pinS> Errors were encountered while processing:
[07:33] <pinS> eek!
[07:33] <Myrtti> I sometimes feel like the token woman or mascot, because I really don't think I can help people that much
[07:33] <zenrox> pinS,  open snyaptic
[07:33] <siimo> personally id install my own kernel
[07:34] <zenrox> and do a search for linux
[07:34] <pinS> synaptic?
[07:34] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: I think you underestimate yourself
[07:34] <zenrox> ya
[07:34] <pinS> ??
[07:34] <crimsun> Myrtti: just help when you can, and that's sufficient.
[07:34] <Myrtti> thoreauputic: it keeps me not feeling superiour and giving those RTFM answers
[07:35] <pinS> wrong password!
[07:35] <pinS> ouch!
[07:35] <zenrox> i love RTFMing
[07:35] <zenrox> pinS,  type in you user pass
[07:35] <pinS> i typed the root one
[07:35] <zenrox> dont
[07:35] <pinS> thats what it wants
[07:35] <zenrox> user pass
[07:35] <pinS> dont? o_O
[07:35] <zenrox> dont type the root
[07:36] <Myrtti> synaptic tries to launch it self as sudo synaptic
[07:36] <zenrox> it is gksudo front end to sudo
[07:36] <Myrtti> and needs your password for it
[07:36] <pinS> ok synaptic is up
[07:36] <zenrox> just like that Myrtti
[07:36] <pinS> i did search on linux
[07:36] <zenrox> yep
[07:36] <pinS> there's a list
[07:36] <hayden> why is Music Player installed by default instead of xmms?
[07:37] <zenrox> and look for linux-image-2.6.10-5-686
[07:37] <crimsun> hayden: because Rhythmbox integrates with GNOME well.
[07:37] <hayden> ok
[07:37] <zenrox> also get the restrested modules of the same kernel  number
[07:37] <hayden> do i need to install something extra to play mp3s with it?
[07:37] <Myrtti> yes
[07:37] <crimsun> hayden: gstreamer0.8-mad from universe
[07:37] <hayden> ok thanks
[07:38] <crimsun> hayden: please see http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[07:38] <pinS> zenrox, just one of them
[07:38] <pinS> the other is SMP
[07:38] <Myrtti> I think I'll put a replaces-line on my irssi with wuo/RF
[07:38] <zenrox> pins you sont need smp
[07:38] <zenrox> sont=dont
[07:39] <Myrtti> or wRF
[07:39] <Myrtti> yeah, that would be better acronym for it...
[07:39] <Quinn_Storm> hey, is there any way to clear up the authentication errors with marrilat?
[07:39] <Fackamato> nn
[07:39] <pinS> mark for removal or reinstallation?
[07:39] <zenrox> pins get the restrected modules  too
[07:39] <Myrtti> Quinn_Storm: just ignore them
[07:39] <Quinn_Storm> Myrtti: okay, just wondering if there was a better answer
[07:39] <zenrox> reinstallation
[07:39] <Myrtti> Quinn_Storm: could be, but prolly not worth the hassle
[07:40] <crimsun> Quinn_Storm: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary
[07:40] <Quinn_Storm> crimsun: thanks
[07:40] <Myrtti> *applause*
[07:40] <pinS> zenrox, should i remove 386
[07:40] <pinS> mark it up
[07:40] <pinS> modules
[07:40] <crimsun> I don't even remember when I wrote those instructions
[07:40] <zenrox> pinS, whate till your in the 686 one first
[07:40] <crimsun> couple months ago?
[07:40] <pinS> k
[07:40] <zenrox> pinS,  you cant remover the one your using
[07:41] <pinS> apply?
[07:41] <pinS> got modules-686
[07:41] <zenrox> yep
[07:41] <zenrox> that will work
[07:41] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: you're in good form today - must be the chocolate ! :)
[07:41] <Quinn_Storm> okay now all I need to do is find the key for the blackdown releases, heh
[07:42] <crimsun> Quinn_Storm: look at the error and simply retrieve the ascii-armoured key manually then import, or ... Lotsa ways. :-)
[07:42] <pinS> its done?
[07:42] <Myrtti> thoreauputic: yes, but I feel sad for those kids that come here on Sunday, I've eaten their candies
[07:42] <Quinn_Storm> crimsun: found a site on it
[07:42] <pinS> i didnt see it do anything
[07:43] <pinS> i clicked apply, it wanted to download then poof
[07:43] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: haha - oh dear! Taking candy from children! tut tut ;)
[07:43] <pest> im audi like a saudi
[07:43] <Quinn_Storm> crimsun: there we go, that fixed it, the instructions are actually on the blackdown site ^-^
[07:43] <Quinn_Storm> I like the auth system, just wish it were more integrated.  its a great addition to apt though
[07:44] <crimsun> Quinn_Storm: it _is_ integrated :-)
[07:44] <crimsun> Quinn_Storm: notice how all the repos for which you got auth errors are external and unsupported :-)
[07:44] <Myrtti> thoreauputic: Finnish tradition of dressing up as easter witch, coming with willow twigs that are in bloom and with colourful paper glued in to them. They whisk the air in front of you, "hexing" good will, health and good crops for next year
[07:44] <pinS> zenrox, i think they're installed already
[07:44] <Myrtti> thoreauputic: and get candies, boiled eggs or money as a reward
[07:44] <pinS> it didnt even download them
[07:44] <Myrtti> kind of Halloween trick-or-treating
[07:45] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: sounds a good tradition :)
[07:45] <Myrtti> I guess I'll have to go and buy more candy...
[07:45] <geneo91> pinS:  maybe its in apt cache
[07:45] <Quinn_Storm> crimsun: it may be integrated into ubuntu but not into apt quite tightly enough
[07:45] <Myrtti> though I assume not that many kids end up here
[07:46] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: you'll show us pictures of the wich outfit, I hope?
[07:46] <pinS> E: mozilla-firefox-gnome-support:  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[07:46] <pinS> E: yelp:  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[07:46] <thoreauputic> *witch
[07:46] <Myrtti> I actually might have old pictures
[07:46] <pinS> ??
[07:46] <pinS> zenrox, done
[07:46] <crimsun> Quinn_Storm: I think you misunderstand: the authentication is part of apt itself.
[07:47] <zenrox> pinS,  reboot in to newer kernel
[07:47] <thoreauputic> pinS: do you have universe enabled?
[07:47] <crimsun> Quinn_Storm: that's one of the biggest advantages of the 0.6 branch of apt
[07:47] <pinS> universe?
[07:47] <Quinn_Storm> crimsun: no I do understand, what I am saying is that the instructions for adding repositories & keys should be more clear thats all (and thats on the people who make apt not ubuntu or anything)
[07:47] <pinS> lol, i dont know, what is it?
[07:47] <pinS> how do i boot into the newer kernel?
[07:48] <thoreauputic> pinS: go to synaptic >> settings >> repositories , and tick all the boxes
[07:48] <Myrtti> reboot the whole machine
[07:48] <crimsun> Quinn_Storm: well, I certainly agree that it's worth of addition to README.Debian if not already present, but the act of adding keys for external, _un_supported repositories should be manual
[07:48] <zenrox> pinS,  reboot pc  it will load newer kernel automatickly
[07:49] <pinS> thoreauputic, tick all boxes?
[07:49] <pinS> nothing there except for a list
[07:49] <pinS> not checkboxes
[07:49] <thoreauputic> pinS: that was for enabling universe :)
[07:49] <Quinn_Storm> crimsun: oh of course it should be manual, but the method should be made clear, perhaps in the error message, like "the repository couldn't be authenticated.  If you're sure its correct, here's how to get and add its key"
[07:49] <pinS> under settings button you mean?
[07:50] <thoreauputic> pinS: yes - might be different in hoary
[07:50] <crimsun> Quinn_Storm: I feel that's more the job of a README entry; please see the deity mailing list and/or the apt BTS entries on bugs.debian.org/apt
[07:50] <crimsun> Quinn_Storm: filter for "experimental"
[07:50] <pinS> thoreauputic, the sources and binaries?
[07:50] <thoreauputic> pinS: settings >> repositories
[07:50] <Quinn_Storm> crimsun: I'll look into that
[07:51] <thoreauputic> pinS: yes, the sources can be useful when you know a bit more
[07:51] <thoreauputic> pinS: the binaries are enough for most things though
[07:52] <pinS> brb rebooting
[07:53] <pinPoint> here we go
[07:55] <pinS> back
[07:55] <pinS> ok so now what
[07:55] <pinS> ndiswrapper thing
[07:56] <sic|> does anyone here use TeamSpeak and if so how did you get the headset working in ubuntu?
[07:56] <pinS> zenrox, so that link was made
[07:56] <pinS> ln -s /usr/src/linux-<kernel-version> /lib/modules/VERSION/build
[07:56] <crimsun> sic|: did you answer my earliest question?
[07:56] <crimsun> s/earliest/earlier/
[07:57] <sic|> crimsun, I haven't tried it in a terminal
[07:57] <sic|> crimsun don't know how
[07:57] <thoreauputic> pinS: BTW - don't forget to hit the reload button in synaptic to update universe
[07:57] <pinS> i rebooted already
[07:58] <pinS> ouch it found so many errors
[07:58] <thoreauputic> pinS: rebooting won't update your repositories :)
[07:58] <pinS> i already did before reboot
[07:58] <topyli> woke up this morning and X was dead
[07:58] <thoreauputic> pinS: OK then
[07:59] <topyli> should i start a-fixin' or go back to bed
[07:59] <pinS> bed
[07:59] <topyli> da-da-daa
[07:59] <crimsun> sic|: use the left and right arrows to move between sliders; use 'm' to unmute; use the up and down arrows to adjust the slider levels; use the space bar to select; use F3/F4 to toggle between playback/capture views
[07:59] <micmur> crimsun: you still here?
[07:59] <pinS> bed sounds more delicious
[07:59] <micmur> I need help when you can give it
[07:59] <topyli> pinS: better than fiddling with X? you're weird :)
[07:59] <crimsun> micmur: shoot.
[08:00] <micmur> Well, I put the Soundblaster Live 24-bit card
[08:00] <micmur> in
[08:00] <micmur> And I'm trying to follow the instructions on the Alsa page
[08:00] <micmur> But I think I'm lost
[08:00] <pinS> make[1] : Entering directory `/home/arinda/downloads/ndiswrapper-1.1/driver'
[08:00] <pinS> Can't find kernel sources in /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-686/build;
[08:00] <crimsun> micmur: what have you done so far?
[08:01] <pinS> i still need to link this stuff
[08:01] <micmur> cd /usr/src
[08:01] <micmur>         mkdir alsa
[08:01] <micmur>         cd alsa
[08:01] <pinS> i did all that stuff for nothing
[08:01] <crimsun> micmur: /join #alsa
[08:01] <crimsun> micmur: I'll walk you through it
[08:01] <micmur> And I've downloaded the alsa-driver-1.0.8.tar.bz2 file
[08:01] <micmur> k
[08:02] <sic|> crimsun: problem is I don't know what command to invoke the command line mixer
[08:02] <crimsun> sic|: ,,alsamixer''
[08:02] <topyli> according to the log, X can't find mga_hal module. has this been broken in yesterdays upgrades or something?
[08:03] <crimsun> topyli: ensure that the matrox module exists in the correct X11 dir
[08:04] <topyli> crimsun: hmm. where should it be?
[08:04] <Quinn_Storm> topyli: as I have a matrox card, I know that mga_hal is part of the matrox closed-source driver, and it shouldn't be there normally unless you've installed this driver
[08:04] <Quinn_Storm> topyli: so its normal for x not to find it
[08:04] <pinS> hey, ahh look at my errros http://rafb.net/paste/results/juOeqY93.html
[08:04] <crimsun> topyli: /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/ if I remember correctly
[08:04] <topyli> Quinn_Storm: i haven't. i haven't needed the proprietary drivers for  quite some time
[08:05] <crimsun> topyli: or ../drivers/
[08:05] <Quinn_Storm> topyli: okay then, mga_hal should not be there, and it should show the no mga_hall error, just as mine does
[08:06] <topyli> Quinn_Storm: mga_hal is not there, i don't even want it
[08:06] <thoreauputic> pinS: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[08:06] <topyli> crimsun: not there
[08:06] <Quinn_Storm> topyli: exactly.
[08:06] <Myrtti> thoreauputic: http://velhottaret.net/~myrtti/easter.html
[08:06] <crimsun> topyli: and shouldn't be unless you installed it
[08:06] <Quinn_Storm> topyli: you don't need to worry about the error saying it isn't there
[08:07] <thoreauputic> pinS: it can't find a compiler - (gcc)
[08:07] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: looking now :)
[08:07] <topyli> Quinn_Storm: but X refuses to start. there must be another reason then
[08:07] <sic|> crimsun: no different...and I need sleep...gnite and thanks for the help
[08:07] <crimsun> pinS: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[08:07] <crimsun> sic|: np
[08:07] <Quinn_Storm> topyli: yeah, not sure what the reason is but it isn't mga_hal
[08:07] <crimsun> sic|: check back tomorrow afternoon/evening
[08:08] <pinS> k
[08:08] <net01> i just install ubuntu... why i cant read from floppy ?
[08:08] <sic|> crimsun, ok thanks....makes me cringe that windows uses this sound card more effectively...nite
[08:08] <pinS> damn
[08:08] <pinS> more errors
[08:08] <net01> can any 1 help ?
[08:08] <topyli> Quinn_Storm: crimsun: there's another error. given depth (1) not supported by this driver. hmm. 1 is not quite the depth i'm after :)
[08:08] <pinS> i think something to do with mirrors
[08:09] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: ah - nice: but boy, looks cold for Easter :)
[08:09] <crimsun> topyli: looks like you need to check your X Window System conffile
[08:09] <Quinn_Storm> topyli: check your file, look for DefaultDepth, make sure it says 24 (assuming you want full truecolor)
[08:09] <maven_> hi
[08:09] <maven_> does someone on?
[08:09] <crimsun> net01: lsmod|grep ^floppy
[08:09] <pinS> http://rafb.net/paste/results/6Ox9N225.html
[08:09] <Myrtti> thoreauputic: spring comes in May Day in here, you should've seen the snowing yesterday
[08:10] <maven_> i want to upgrade my ubuntu,but the site is too slow,does some site on china?
[08:10] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: yeah, Finland... of course. Here it only ever snows in the mountains
[08:10] <pinS> firefox is really causing some nasty errors all over
[08:10] <topyli> Quinn_Storm: i'll check. could the upgrades change the file? there's no backup
[08:10] <Quinn_Storm> topyli: not sure, they shouldn't have changed it
[08:10] <topyli> i need a smoke
[08:11] <maven_> topyli:i like smoke too
[08:11] <crimsun> maven_: try us.archive.ubuntu.com, then
[08:11] <maven_> topyli:which brand ?
[08:11] <maven_> thanks for crimsun
[08:12] <topyli> maven_: roll-your-owns. pall mall mostly
[08:12] <pinS> *** WARNING:  Kernel is compiled with 4K stack size option (CONFIG_4KSTACKS); many Windows drivers will not work with this option enabled. Disable CONFIG_4KSTACKS option, recompile and install kernel
[08:12] <pinS> what!!!???? o_O
[08:13] <crimsun> maven_: bu shei
[08:13] <net01> tried the lsmod|grep ^floppy ... it said floppy       54996  0
[08:13] <net01> but still can't read
[08:13] <Myrtti> aaahhh, I should do my Cisco module quiz today
[08:13] <crimsun> net01: is the floppy diskette inserted and mounted?
[08:13] <Myrtti> dammit
[08:15] <net01> when i try to mount ... it said unable to mount ... detail : could not determine the filesystem type, and none was specified
[08:15] <topyli> Quinn_Storm: default depth is indeed 1. very strange. let's see
[08:16] <Quinn_Storm> topyli: well, change it to 24, that should fix it up for you...that is very strange indeed
[08:16] <maven_> ?
[08:16] <crimsun> maven_: (no need to thank me)
[08:17] <pinS> modprobe ndiswrapper
[08:17] <pinS> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-686/misc/ndiswrapper.ko): Invalid module format
[08:17] <topyli> Quinn_Storm: it works! thanks. i'd count that as a bug
[08:17] <crimsun> pinS: dpkg -l linux-image-$(uname -r)|grep ^ii|awk '{ print $3 }'
[08:17] <memcmememe> greetings Ubuntu users
[08:17] <pinS> o_O
[08:17] <memcmememe> I have an announcement to make
[08:17] <Quinn_Storm> topyli: yeah, I didn't hit it myself but that sounds like a bug
[08:17] <pinS> youre joking right
[08:17] <net01> the floppy i try to read created with windows
[08:17] <crimsun> pinS: paste the output from that command.
[08:17] <thoreauputic> pinS: copy paste it :)
[08:17] <memcmememe> jk
[08:18] <Quinn_Storm> pinS: actually that command looks valid to me
[08:18] <memcmememe> seriously though, I am a longtime windows user who is fed up
[08:18] <memcmememe> will ubuntu be able to replace xp
[08:18] <crimsun> net01: on Hoary?
[08:18] <memcmememe> I cannot stand having this bastard crash whenever I bloody get online from a wi fi spot
[08:18] <topyli> Quinn_Storm: i downgraded x first thing. let me upgrade again and see if it changes the file again
[08:18] <maven_> does someone use oracle on ubuntu
[08:19] <Quinn_Storm> topyli: ok
[08:19] <net01> warty warthog
[08:19] <DarthFrog> memcmememe: Be able to replace XP?  Depends upon what you want it to do.
[08:19] <thoreauputic> memcmememe: probably depends on whether your wifi is well supported in linux
[08:19] <memcmememe> I want to be able to do word processing, edit text documents, basic xul development, and play my music, and surf the web and irc
[08:19] <crimsun> net01: sudo mount /dev/fd0
[08:19] <memcmememe> thats it
[08:20] <pinS> crimsun, i know this is funny but xchat wont copy
[08:20] <DarthFrog> memcmememe: Welcome home. :-)
[08:20] <Myrtti> memcmememe: can be done, but is fully dependable on what thoreauputic said
[08:20] <crimsun> pinS: highlight and select with the primary button, then paste with the middle
[08:20] <net01> it said : mount: you must specify the filesystem type ... how to specify filesystem ?
[08:20] <pinS> nope
[08:20] <pinS> not going
[08:21] <topyli> Quinn_Storm: experiment failed. now it didn't update xorg.conf because "file has been customized", ie. i just edited it :)
[08:21] <memcmememe> sweet
[08:21] <pinS> 2.6.10-28
[08:21] <pinS> there
[08:21] <memcmememe> I am downloading it now
[08:21] <memcmememe> on my other box
[08:21] <Quinn_Storm> topyli: heh, well at least your X should work
[08:21] <thoreauputic> memcmememe: do you know your hardware well? check it for compatibility
[08:22] <memcmememe> where is the list?
[08:22] <net01> i tried : sudo mount /dev/fd0
[08:22] <memcmememe> Its a sempron 2800 plus with an asus board
[08:22] <net01> it said : mount: you must specify the filesystem type ... how to specify filesystem ?
[08:22] <maven_> topyli : roll-your-owns
[08:22] <thoreauputic> net01: try  mount -t vfat /dev/fd0
[08:22] <memcmememe> pretty basic configuration
[08:22] <topyli> Quinn_Storm: gdm won't work though. "initscript failed" :(
[08:23] <Quinn_Storm> topyli: that sucks...try reinstalling gdm...dpkg --purge --force-all gdm and then apt-get install gdm
[08:23] <thoreauputic> memcmememe: and the wifi card?
[08:23] <memcmememe> not puting it on the notebook yet
[08:23] <memcmememe> I always test os's on this old sempron
[08:24] <pinS> Quinn_Storm, 2.6.10-28
[08:24] <crimsun> pinS: and you're getting an invalid format error? what does dmesg|tail tell you?
[08:24] <crimsun> net01: -t vfat
[08:25] <pinS> ndiswrapper: no version for "struct_module" found: kernel tainted.
[08:25] <pinS> ndiswrapper: version magic '2.6.10-4 SMP preempt PENTIUM4 4KSTACKS gcc-3.3' should be '2.6.10-5-686 preempt 686 gcc-3.3'
[08:26] <hayden> how can i install gcursors (to get the ubuntu cursors back)
[08:26] <topyli> Quinn_Storm: that worked, thanks again. this morning is not so bad after all :)
[08:26] <thoreauputic> hayden: sudo apt-get install gcursors
[08:26] <Quinn_Storm> topyli: hehe, yeah, well it wasn't a big deal to me, glad I could help
[08:26] <crimsun> pinS: huh?  uname -r, please
[08:27] <topyli> Quinn_Storm: quitting irssi, i'll be back from flashy $X_APPLICATION
[08:27] <memcmememe> I heard about a program called KDE can you run that in Ubuntu?
[08:27] <crimsun> memcmememe: Kubuntu
[08:27] <DarthFrog> memcmememe: I'm running it right now.
[08:27] <pinS> 2.6.10-5-686
[08:27] <maven_> what?
[08:27] <maven_> bu shei????
[08:27] <DarthFrog> memcmememe: KDE isn't a program as such, it's a desktop environment.
[08:27] <thoreauputic> memcmememe: it's a desktop environment
[08:27] <crimsun> maven_: (loosely, no need to thank me)
[08:28] <memcmememe> where can I find Kubuntu?
[08:28] <^KrOmE^> Does kubuntu look as clean as the gnome release?
[08:28] <hayden> thoreauputic, cant find cursors, i've done apt-get update and have universe sources listed
[08:28] <DarthFrog> ^KrOmE^: Only you can judge that.  I like KDE.
[08:28] <maven_> crimsun: where are you from?
[08:28] <crimsun> maven_: USA.
[08:28] <hayden> gcursors*
[08:28] <DarthFrog> memcmememe: install the kde-desktop.
[08:28] <Quinn_Storm> ^KrOmE^: I have to agree with DarthFrog on that one...I liek kde and the kubuntu art seems quite nice
[08:28] <thoreauputic> hayden: what does apt-cache search gcursors say?
[08:28] <^KrOmE^> Darth, I prefer KDE, but have left Ubuntu as standard
[08:28] <topyli> ahh. eye candy
[08:28] <hayden> nothin
[08:29] <thoreauputic> hayden: on hoary, right?
[08:29] <^KrOmE^> Have they cleaned it up, removed all the superfluous crud?
[08:29] <memcmememe> to do that do I download kde
[08:29] <net01> tried -t vfat ... it's open usage help...
[08:29] <geneo93> crimsun:  where abouts
[08:29] <hayden> yea
[08:29] <memcmememe> or can I use ubuntu to get it
[08:29] <DarthFrog> ^KrOmE^: KDE 3.4 is really, really nice.
[08:29] <memcmememe> I am confused
[08:29] <Quinn_Storm> topyli: hehe, welcome back to the graphical world, fellow matrox user.  btw, is your composite/translucency as slow as mine? (I turned it off, too slow to use)
[08:29] <crimsun> geneo93: NC.
[08:29] <^KrOmE^> Sweet
[08:29] <memcmememe> I heard there was a technology called application getter ro something
[08:29] <geneo93> ahh cool ohio here
[08:29] <thoreauputic> memcmememe: you use the package manager (synaptic)
[08:29] <crimsun> net01: sudo mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /mnt
[08:29] <maven_> crimsun_:AMerican???
[08:29] <topyli> Quinn_Storm: i have never thought about composite. is it enabled on hoary xorg by default?
[08:30] <DarthFrog> memcmememe: Install Ubuntu.  The default desktop environment there is Gnome.  Try it for a while before thinking about KDE.  You might find you prefer Gnome.
[08:30] <crimsun> maven_: Chinese-American
[08:30] <maven_> chinese?
[08:30] <Quinn_Storm> topyli: I think you may have to enable it seperately...I don't remember, lol, I started with slackware so I'm always mucking with the config files...so I don't know if I added that or not
[08:30] <Riddell> Kubuntu screenshots http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=286&slide=1
[08:30] <geneo93> crimsun:  i'm just a mutt
[08:30] <crimsun> man, I was just going to pull up Riddell's link
[08:30] <pinS> whenever you're ready, uname -r returned 2.6.10-5-686
[08:31] <thoreauputic> memcmememe: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[08:31] <DarthFrog> memcmememe: Have a look at the Kubuntu screenshots.  That's KDE on Ubuntu.
[08:31] <topyli> Quinn_Storm: i never thought matrox users would go for translucency. aren't we supposed to be boring people? =)
[08:31] <crimsun> pinS: apparently your ndiswrapper kernel module was compiled against another set of kernel headers
[08:31] <Quinn_Storm> topyli: lol, well I'm just a using-what-I-have person
[08:31] <maven_> so glad to meet you
[08:31] <topyli> hehe
[08:31] <crimsun> pinS: and that set doesn't match what you're running
[08:32] <crimsun> maven_: same
[08:32] <geneo93> DarthFrog:  have you had problems with kong crashing systen when browsing local files
[08:32] <pinS> geesh!
[08:32] <pinS> so now what
[08:32] <pinS> man man man!
[08:32] <maven_> have your back to chinese recently?
[08:32] <DarthFrog> geneo93: Nope. But I haven't done much of that.  I tend to spend most of my time at the command line for that kind of stuff.
[08:33] <maven_> CHINA
[08:33] <crimsun> maven_: no. Hopefully within 10 years.
[08:33] <geneo93> DarthFrog:  i have some other systems mounted
[08:33] <net01> ok got it ... emm ... how to unmout it ?
[08:34] <maven_> crimsun_:I c,welcome you back
[08:34] <crimsun> net01: sudo umount /mnt
[08:34] <DarthFrog> geneo93: Should make no difference.
[08:34] <geneo93> net01:  umount
[08:34] <maven_> welcome u back
[08:34] <DarthFrog> geneo93: Why do you think it matters?
[08:35] <gerardo> hey guy
[08:35] <pinS> so im screwed for now
[08:35] <gerardo> what is the password of root?
[08:35] <geneo93> i dunno i have lots of files to copy over from them
[08:35] <DarthFrog> gerardo: There isn't one and you don't need one.
[08:35] <crimsun> pinS: ls /usr/src|grep $(uname -r)
[08:36] <geneo93> DarthFrog:  i have 4 diff distros on here
[08:36] <pinS> crimsun, nothing happened
[08:36] <gerardo> DarthFrog, what?
[08:36] <gerardo> i was installed ubuntu system
[08:36] <thoreauputic> gerardo: use `sudo <yourcommandhere>` and your user passwd
[08:36] <DarthFrog> gerardo: The first user for whom you made an account has sudo rights, using that password.
[08:37] <gerardo> so, in ubuntu root it's not usualy?
[08:37] <thoreauputic> gerardo: sudo is used instead
[08:37] <crimsun> pinS: no wonder it's failing then.  The correct kernel headers are not installed.
[08:37] <pinS> o_O
[08:37] <crimsun> pinS: you have a working Internet connection, correct?
[08:37] <pinS> yes
[08:37] <pinS> im on it right now ;)
[08:37] <crimsun> pinS: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[08:37] <net01> thank ... u'all been great help .... gonna see what this baby can do ...
[08:38] <thoreauputic> crimsun: I think he installed headers before upgrading the kernel
[08:38] <crimsun> thoreauputic: ah...
[08:38] <maven_> crimsun_:what's your job?
[08:38] <memcmememe> my monitor has windows drivers
[08:38] <crimsun> maven_: I'm a professor
[08:38] <memcmememe> will I be able to configure it in Linux
[08:38] <memcmememe> if its not running at 85hz it get really bitchy
[08:39] <thoreauputic> memcmememe: most likely it will be configured automatically
[08:39] <geneo93> thoreauputic:  not if its home built
[08:39] <pinS> crimsun, http://rafb.net/paste/results/SyAIsM14.html
[08:39] <pinS> very nasty
[08:40] <DyGyTyL> greetings fellow ubuntu users..:D
[08:40] <maven_> good job
[08:40] <thoreauputic> geneo93: home-built monitor? are you serious?
[08:40] <maven_> which university
[08:40] <crimsun> pinS: please put your /etc/apt/sources.list onto rafb.net
[08:40] <crimsun> maven_: ncat.edu
[08:40] <Quinn_Storm> my monitor is a bargain bin reject that doesn't do above 1024x768@60...but it only cost me $30+shipping
[08:40] <geneo93> j/k thoreauputic
[08:40] <maven_> i want to study on USA
[08:40] <thoreauputic> geneo93: :)
[08:41] <pinS> crimsun, http://rafb.net/paste/results/EDPHl413.html
[08:41] <geneo93> thoreauputic:  i was thinking back in the day of heath kits
[08:41] <gardion> anyone know why the media frameworks is esd instead of something like alsa?
[08:42] <gardion> at least alsa doesn't seem to work as well for me.
[08:42] <geneo93> thoreauputic:  i'm an old timer
[08:42] <crimsun> pinS: comment out lines 9 and 10, then sudo apt-get update
[08:42] <thoreauputic> geneo93: heh - well then he could config everything with patch cords and use punch cards to program his box ;-)
[08:42] <memcmememe> awesome
[08:42] <gerardo> i don't can't logging with root?
[08:42] <crimsun> gerardo: use your normal account
[08:43] <maven_> crimsun_:I want to study for you
[08:43] <geneo93> tabulator cards you speak of
[08:43] <thoreauputic> gerardo: sudo -s
[08:43] <pinS> crimsun, done
[08:43] <thoreauputic> gerardo: with your user password
[08:43] <pinS> run that install again?
[08:43] <hayden> anyone know of a mac like dock (object dock in windows)?
[08:43] <gerardo> ok, but is imposible logging with user thoreauputic ?
[08:44] <crimsun> pinS: sure.
[08:44] <gerardo> with root*
[08:44] <geneo93> wonder what punches it would take for sudo
[08:44] <pinS> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
[08:44] <thoreauputic> gerardo: you should *not* ever log in to gnome as root
[08:44] <DarthFrog> gerardo: www.ubuntuguide.org
[08:44] <maven_> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted universe multiverse
[08:44] <gerardo> oks
[08:44] <gerardo> brb
[08:44] <crimsun> pinS: good. now, ls /usr/src|grep $(uname -r)
[08:44] <maven_> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary-security main restricted universe multiverse
[08:44] <maven_> that's enough
[08:45] <pinS> linux-headers-2.6.10-5-686
[08:45] <maven_> what's your name mean?
[08:46] <crimsun> pinS: ok. and, dpkg -l linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)|grep ^ii|awk '{ print $3} '
[08:46] <pinS> wow
[08:46] <pinS> you write this yourself
[08:46] <pinS> thats scary
[08:46] <crimsun> it won't be long before you will be doing similarly
[08:47] <pinS> 2.6.10.3-8
[08:47] <thoreauputic> that's another update needed
[08:47] <crimsun> pinS: modinfo ndiswrapper|grep ^vermagic
[08:47] <pinS> vermagic:       2.6.10-4 SMP preempt PENTIUM4 4KSTACKS gcc-3.3
[08:48] <crimsun> pinS: did you compile ndiswrapper from source yourself?
[08:48] <pinS> yeah, just did make and make install thats it
[08:48] <crimsun> pinS: ack, that's what did it
[08:48] <pinS> got the code of sourceforge
[08:48] <geneo93> hmmm
[08:49] <pinS> ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net
[08:49] <crimsun> pinS: sudo apt-get --reinstall install linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[08:49] <pinS> k
[08:50] <maven_> exit
[08:51] <hayden> how can i tell if 3d games will work with the video drivers installed by ubuntu?
[08:51] <DarthFrog> By trying them?
[08:51] <pinS> done. :)
[08:51] <geneo93> hehe
[08:51] <DarthFrog> Or running "glxinfo | less" and seeing if Direct Rendering is enabled.
[08:52] <memcmememe> is anyone here from outside NA?
[08:52] <geneo93> whats NA
[08:52] <DarthFrog> North America.  :-)
[08:52] <crimsun> pinS: now, modinfo ndiswrapper|grep ^vermagic
[08:52] <thoreauputic> hayden: if you run `glxgears` in a terminal, you'll get some idea of your fps ( but that's just a test)
[08:52] <hayden> ok
[08:53] <geneo93> well ofcourse silly
[08:53] <thoreauputic> memcmememe: lots of us
[08:53] <hayden> 145fps?
[08:53] <DyGyTyL> semi-new to ubuntu in general, but was wondering if these files in /etc/apt are part of the 5.04 release? in 4.10 i used to only have my sources.list in there..i presume these extra files are for the new ubuntu update manager software?
[08:53] <mjr> hayden, sounds like software rendering, but see that glxinfo
[08:53] <hayden> it said direct rendering was enabled?
[08:53] <crimsun> DyGyTyL: the new apt version (from 0.6 branch) has authentication of packages
[08:53] <geneo93> wow thats slow
[08:54] <DarthFrog> hayden: What video card?
[08:54] <thoreauputic> memcmememe: the US is just an insignificant little country plonked between asia and europe  ;-)
[08:54] <crimsun> DyGyTyL: yes, those extra conffiles are part of apt
[08:54] <pinS> vermagic:       2.6.10-4 SMP preempt PENTIUM4 4KSTACKS gcc-3.3
[08:54] <hayden> ati radeon 320m igp
[08:54] <pinS> SMP means?
[08:54] <DyGyTyL> oh that explains the word "trust" in there, thanks..:D
[08:54] <hayden> integrated, uses some ram for vram
[08:54] <DarthFrog> hayden: Don't know that card but 145 fps is dog-slow.
[08:54] <crimsun> pinS: hmph, it didn't reinstall the correct ndiswrapper, so you'll have to compile it from ndiswrapper-source; sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper-source
[08:55] <DarthFrog> pinS: Symmetric Multi-Processing
[08:55] <omniscient> i get 180fps on my laptop
[08:55] <geneo93> pinS:  more than one proc
[08:55] <hayden> DarthFrog, it is integrated graphics
[08:55] <mjr> basically anything newer than radeon 9250 from ATI needs proprietary drivers for 3d
[08:55] <mjr> (thanks, ati)
[08:55] <Quinn_Storm> I get ~400 on my ancient matrox g450 so...
[08:55] <DarthFrog> hayden: You won't be happy playing 3D games.
[08:55] <hayden> i know
[08:55] <pinS> i have one proc
[08:56] <pinS> its my lappy
[08:56] <crimsun> pinS: then please read /usr/share/doc/ndiswrapper-source/README.Debian
[08:56] <hayden> won't be playing games like ut2k4
[08:56] <DarthFrog> hayden: Frozen Bubble is a great game, though.  Very addictive.
[08:56] <Myrtti> very addictive
[08:56] <Myrtti> and tuxracer
[08:57] <DyGyTyL> i got this cedega that supposedly runs games even world of warcraft, but it wouldn't work with my mtg apprentice..haven't tested anything else yet
[08:57] <geneo93> 4903 frames in 5.0 seconds = 980.600 FPS
[08:57] <memcmememe> LOL
[08:57] <memcmememe> I am in the USA right now actually
[08:57] <geneo93> so am i
[08:58] <memcmememe> but I am in the most liberal city in the country so sometimes I feel more like I am in Denmark than the USA
[08:58] <DyGyTyL> seattle?:P
[08:58] <memcmememe> Portland
[08:58] <thoreauputic> memcmememe: of course, the French *know* that the centre of the known universe is Paris ;)
[08:58] <memcmememe> where are you DyGyTyL
[08:58] <mjr> WoW actually runs in the free Wine too nowadays (at least patched; I don't know if the relevant pbuffer patches made it into the main tree yet, but I think so)
[08:58] <Rattboi> memcmememe, I got friends in Portland
[08:58] <memcmememe> sweet
[08:58] <DyGyTyL> just north of you in seattle, the sea's in your IP were throwing me off i guess:P
[08:59] <Rattboi> I lived there when I was 3
[08:59] <memcmememe> LOL
[08:59] <memcmememe> yeah
[08:59] <memcmememe> I use Verizon
[08:59] <memcmememe> and their big hub is Seattle for the entire west coast
[08:59] <memcmememe> I got SEA even when I was in Sacremento
[08:59] <memcmememe> LOL
[08:59] <cowbud> memcmememe: yah so liberal 36 passed
[08:59] <memcmememe> Not in Portland it didn't
[08:59] <memcmememe> thats because I live in a Red neck state
[09:00] <memcmememe> but Portland voted tremendiously against it
[09:00] <matt_> Hi
[09:00] <memcmememe> hi Matt_
[09:00] <matt_> How do you uninstall umbunto
[09:00] <DyGyTyL> why would u wanna do that :(
[09:00] <topyli> matt_: install cd, boot, press enter a few times
[09:00] <DarthFrog> matt_: cd / && rm -rf *
 36 was a tragedy, an apalling tragedy.  But hey, atleast we can elect a governor :)
[09:01] <matt_> It wont let me have sound
[09:01] <Myrtti> DarthFrog: you should be spanked for that answer
[09:01] <memcmememe> in less than 3 tries that is :)
[09:01] <topyli> DarthFrog: that's not funny
[09:01] <Myrtti> do death
[09:01] <pinS> crimsun, i used "module-assistant auto-install ndiswrapper
[09:01] <pinS> thats it?
[09:01] <pinS> im done
[09:01] <matt_> itr wont boot from the cd
[09:01] <Myrtti> s/do/to
[09:01] <topyli> DarthFrog: one day you'll type that into the wrong terminal, and poetic justice will prevail :)
[09:01] <crimsun> pinS: if it works, yes. I apologise, but I need to get going since I have class in a few hours.
[09:01] <DarthFrog> topyli: Been there, done that. :-)
[09:01] <pinS> alright
[09:02] <pinS> thank you for your help
[09:02] <pinS> much appreciated
[09:02] <Myrtti> DarthFrog: then you should know better
[09:02] <cowbud> memcmememe: hah ;)
[09:02] <matt_> so how can i reformat an entire drive
[09:02] <crimsun> pinS: np, g'luck.
[09:02] <matt_> with umbuntu
[09:02] <DarthFrog> Myrtti: he asked how to uninstall Ubuntu. That will most definitely uninstall Ubuntu.
[09:02] <topyli> matt_: you'll have to fix the boot sequence in the bios. it's probably set to boot from the hard disk first
[09:02] <thoreauputic> DarthFrog: I've seen people innocently follow advice like that - it was rather horrible
[09:02] <Myrtti> DarthFrog: sure, in a wrong way
[09:03] <matt_> This bios blows tho
[09:03] <topyli> matt_: arrgh. you're UNinstalling? sorry
[09:03] <matt_> its an abm from 1991
[09:03] <matt_> ibm
[09:03] <thoreauputic> matt_: 1991 ? You have a passion for archaeology?
[09:03] <DarthFrog> thoreauputic: Hey, will it not uninstall Ubuntu?  Wasn't that his goal?
[09:03] <topyli> matt_: will you be installing windows in stead? you can do it all in the windows installer
[09:04] <memcmememe> I took 6 hours of ARCH my Freshman year
[09:04] <matt_> it was 50 bucks
[09:04] <matt_> so how do i wipe m entire system driver
[09:04] <pinS> help
[09:04] <pinS> modprobe ndiswrapper
[09:04] <pinS> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-686/misc/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted
[09:04] <Myrtti> DarthFrog: there is a way of doing things the _right_ way and the _wrong_ way
[09:04] <thoreauputic> DarthFrog: of course - but other people sometimes typ stuff to see what it does, and *poof*
[09:04] <matt_> i wanna keep umbuntu
[09:04] <matt_> i just want to reformat
[09:04] <Myrtti> Ubuntu's supposed to be the humane Linux distro, so we're supposed to give the _humane_, _right_ answers
[09:05] <memcmememe> cheers
[09:05] <Amaranth> hey, any hoary users need a menu editor? :)
[09:05] <topyli> matt_: then just reinstall. but why would you reinstall? you'll end up with the same system :)
[09:05] <Amaranth> :D
[09:05] <topyli> matt_: try and fix the current installation instead
[09:05] <DyGyTyL> i'm having trouble with 5.04 and thinking of going back to 4.10 :\
[09:05] <DarthFrog> thoreauputic: Umm, that would be a rather foolish thing to do, when the question was "How do I uninstall Ubuntu?".  If they blindly followed my suggestion, well, they shouldn't be surprised that they don't have an Ubuntu installation anymore.
[09:06] <matt_> i want to reformat the whole drive and it wont boot from cd
[09:06] <Myrtti> ffs
[09:06] <optika> DyGyTyL: downgrading isn't a whole load of fun
[09:06] <DarthFrog> matt_: You want to blow away everything on that drive?
[09:06] <thoreauputic> DarthFrog: hmm - well you just broke one of the oldest IRC taboos in existence, anyway
[09:06] <matt_> yep
[09:06] <DarthFrog> thoreauputic: What taboo is that?
[09:06] <topyli> Amaranth: that's pretty. does it work too?
[09:06] <Myrtti> giving newbies lame advice
[09:07] <DyGyTyL> i was wondering if anyone else had issues with the new ubuntu upgrade manager and running apt-get updates/upgrades somehow my packages got nerfed
[09:07] <DarthFrog> matt_: How many partitions are on that drive?
[09:07] <Amaranth> topyli: It can edit current entries and add new ones. I don't have deleting working yet.
[09:07] <matt_> 1
[09:07] <Myrtti> DyGyTyL: can happen if you use upgrade instead of dist-upgrade
[09:07] <DarthFrog> Myrtti: I suppose I was guilty of that. :-)
[09:07] <memcmememe> anyone here from the PacNW?
[09:07] <DarthFrog> matt_: And what do you want to do with that drive afterwards?
[09:07] <memcmememe> PM me if you are
[09:08] <DarthFrog> memcmememe: I'm in BC.
[09:08] <Amaranth> topyli: Not bad for 2 days of coding, eh?
[09:08] <topyli> Amaranth: are you aware of the competition? there's another editor too, you should join forces
[09:08] <matt_> make it 2 partitions and have an xp/umbutu dual boot setup
[09:08] <Amaranth> topyli: you mean the one in GNOME CVS?
[09:08] <memcmememe> <DarthFrog Victoria area or Vancouver?
[09:09] <Myrtti> DarthFrog: in a channel full of newbies, one should try to keep the lame advice as their own knowledge. Newbies tend to try every advice given, so lame ones can cause serious amount of troubles
[09:09] <topyli> Amaranth: no, i found it on the ubuntu forums. somebody's unofficial python experiment
[09:09] <Myrtti> and bork their systems BAR
[09:09] <matt_> Its the umbuntu help channel k thx
[09:09] <Amaranth> topyli: Oh, I saw that. It doesn't work.
[09:09] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: well put
[09:09] <DarthFrog> matt_: Use cfdisk to delete the Ubuntu partition and create a partition for XP, reboot, install XP in the new partition, then install Ubuntu.
[09:09] <DarthFrog> memcmememe: Vancouver.
[09:09] <Amaranth> topyli: Mine started as an extension of that one, actually. Then I more or less rewrote it completely.
[09:09] <matt_> how do i use cfdisk
[09:10] <topyli> Amaranth: ok. i haven't tried it. you have a .deb so i'm going to try it :)
[09:10] <memcmememe> i was up there last week dude, I love Vancouver but I hate air canada Jazz
[09:10] <DarthFrog> matt_: Run it from a command line session.
[09:10] <Amaranth> hehe
[09:10] <matt_> Could you tell me the syntax please
[09:10] <Amaranth> after you install it it'll show up in the system tools menu (if you logout and back in) or you can run menu-editor from a terminal
[09:11] <matt_> And will ubuntu let me delete the partition its running on
[09:11] <DarthFrog> matt_: the syntax is "cfdisk <drive>"
[09:11] <Amaranth> topyli: you need to use gksudo or sudo to be able to edit the global menus, just running menu-editor will only edit your local ones
[09:11] <matt_> Whats the name of the system drive
[09:11] <DarthFrog> matt_: the syntax is "cfdisk (drive)"
[09:11] <ficusplanet> Amaranth, You can just run "killall gnome-panel" to reload the menus.
[09:11] <DarthFrog> Bloody kopete not letting me use angle brackets.
[09:11] <Amaranth> ficusplanet: Yeah, that's what I do.
[09:12] <DarthFrog> matt_: Once cfdisk is running, you'll be able to figure it out.
[09:12] <matt_> great thanks
[09:12] <Quinn_Storm> ficusplanet, Amaranth : actually killall -SIGUSR1 works better, makes gnome-panel reload without dying
[09:12] <matt_> ill probably be back
[09:12] <DarthFrog> matt_: Beware though, cfdisk is very powerfull.
[09:12] <Amaranth> ficusplanet: Well, with the force quit panel button. But it makes GAIM quit and makes the rhythmbox notification area icon not work.
[09:13] <ficusplanet> Amaranth, Oh, never noticed that.  I don't use Gaim or rhythmbox.
[09:14] <Myrtti> and mentioning that command is everytime as bad as possible
[09:14] <topyli> Amaranth: on starting menu-editor, not a single error in the terminal. something's not right ;)
[09:14] <Myrtti> you should forget it too, DarthFrog, atleast on this channel
[09:15] <Amaranth> topyli: I supress errors. :)
[09:15] <topyli> heh
[09:15] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: he was trying to redeem himself :) I guess he gets points for effort ;)
[09:15] <DarthFrog> Myrtti: knowledge is good.
[09:15] <pinS> bbl
[09:15] <[Chameleon] > I just booted the Ubuntu Gnome 2.10 LiveCD and the screensaver is password protected.
[09:16] <optika> argh. kernel package won't install properly because it can't configure the package properly. It says that it can't detect what SCSI module I'm using. Where do I go from here (trying to install linux-image-2.6.10-5-386)
[09:16] <Myrtti> thoreauputic: yes, but repeating it just makes newbies remember that all the better ;-)
[09:16] <[Chameleon] > anybody know what the screensaver password is on the Ubuntu Gnome 2.10 LiveCD??
[09:16] <Quinn_Storm> [Chameleon] : this may be dumb of me, but have you tried a blank password?
[09:16] <thoreauputic> DarthFrog: I agree that knowledge is good - maybe IRC isn't a very good medium for transmitting that kind of knowledge
[09:17] <DarthFrog> thoreauputic: I rather gather that you and Myrtti are in agreement with that.
[09:17] <thoreauputic> DarthFrog: if you were looking over someone's shoulder, maybe
[09:17] <matt_> Uh..
[09:18] <matt_> So what command line do I type that at?
[09:18] <thoreauputic> DarthFrog: OK - we'll drop it now that you've been flamed thoroughly ;-)
[09:18] <[Chameleon] > Quinn_Storm: yes, I did
[09:18] <DarthFrog> LOL
[09:18] <Quinn_Storm> [Chameleon] : sorry then, I can't help
[09:18] <DarthFrog> matt_: You have to be in a root shell.
[09:18] <Amaranth> topyli: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20705
[09:18] <DarthFrog> matt_: It's a system administration task, so you have to be root to do it.
[09:18] <matt_> How do I access the root shell
[09:18] <Amaranth> [Chameleon] : ubuntu
[09:18] <topyli> Amaranth: my menu entry didn't show up in the menu. perhaps only in the next session?
[09:18] <[Chameleon] > Amaranth: as I said, I tried that.
[09:19] <Amaranth> topyli: Same as all the other menu entries, you need to restart the panel.
[09:19] <DarthFrog> matt_: One of the menu options should be to run a root terminal.
[09:19] <matt_> And when I type cfdisk <disk> what do I put for <disk> cause ive tried c: and #c and astuff
[09:19] <Amaranth> topyli: It's a bitch, I know. Nothing I can do about it.
[09:19] <topyli> yeah
[09:19] <geneo93> [Chameleon] :  have you tried the reset button
[09:20] <[Chameleon] > geneo93: LOL... well, no... I was hoping to avoid that.
[09:20] <jsgotangco> wow
[09:20] <DarthFrog> matt_: You know you don't even have to do that.  Just install XP, let it blow away the current partition and let it make its partition of the size you want.  But install XP before Linux.
[09:20] <jsgotangco> now this is fullscreen
[09:20] <jsgotangco> hehehe
[09:20] <matt_> i cant install xps
[09:20] <jsgotangco> it feels unnatural
[09:20] <matt_> umbuntu wont let it run
[09:20] <[Chameleon] > geneo93: anyway, MEPIS is downloading very quickly, so I'll probably just try that if I have to reboot. I'm trying to recover my Pastor's laptop HD data before he sends it back to Dell for repair.
[09:20] <matt_> just tell me how to cfdisk the system drive
[09:20] <DarthFrog> matt_: Can't you boot from CD?
[09:20] <geneo93> [Chameleon] :  just make sure you set the screensaver to a safe level after
[09:21] <matt_> no
[09:21] <matt_> thats the problem
[09:21] <DarthFrog> matt_: then how were you going to install XP?
[09:21] <matt_> it wont even reinstall umbumtu from the cd
[09:21] <[Chameleon] > geneo93: I'll probably just burn MEPIS over this CD-RW.
[09:21] <memcmememe> guys
[09:21] <matt_> cause it reads the cd
[09:21] <memcmememe> I am leaving now to install ubuntu
[09:21] <matt_> but it doesnt autorun it
[09:21] <memcmememe> I will be back on shortly
[09:21] <memcmememe> I hope
[09:21] <memcmememe> wish me luck
[09:22] <optika> hi all, when trying to install a new kernel package, configuring it fails because mkinitrd "Cannot determine SCSI module". Any suggestions?
[09:22] <thoreauputic> memcmememe: welcome to the world of open source :)
[09:22] <optika> I have a SATA system, so there is some scsi-esque stuff going on.
[09:22] <thoreauputic> memcmememe: good luck!
[09:22] <memcmememe> thanks
[09:22] <memcmememe> disk inserted
[09:22] <memcmememe> good bye
[09:23] <DarthFrog> matt_: Well, I don't understand why you can't boot XP from CD.  And I'm a bit concerned that if you do manage to blow away your Ubuntu partition that you will have a useless computer if you can't boot from CD.
[09:24] <DarthFrog> matt_: using cfdisk won't remove grub from the MBR and will still try to boot Ubuntu.  But Ubuntu won't be there anymore.
[09:25] <geneo93> DarthFrog:  cant he put an entry in for cdrom in grub
[09:26] <DarthFrog> geneo93: If the CD is in the drive, it should boot before grub runs.  If it doesn't, well, why not?
[09:26] <DyGyTyL> either bios settings or his master boot record i would think
[09:26] <Quinn_Storm> mbr wouldn't mess up cd boot
[09:26] <geneo93> well its safer that way just in case
[09:27] <DarthFrog> geneo93: And what would the entry be in /boot/grub/menu.lst?
[09:27] <geneo93> mine would be hdc
[09:28] <geneo93> oh that lilo i use
[09:28] <DarthFrog> yeah, that's the drive.  Now, what's the root & kernel options?
[09:28] <rapha> DarthFrog: you can boot Windows, also XP, from CD. Just takes a little work, but it's possible.
[09:28] <Quinn_Storm> shouldn't take any work if its a real non-pirated copy :-P
[09:28] <DyGyTyL> i know when there was a time back around debian 2.0 when i was afraid and wanted to go back to windows debian was still in control of bootup until i did a fdisk /MBR before i could get anywhere
[09:28] <DarthFrog> rapha: But that's the point.  He couldn't boot from CD, for some reason.  Yet, he managed to install Ubunutu, presumably from CD.
[09:29] <rapha> Quinn_Storm: DarthFrog: Oh sorry then, I thought you were talking about a Windows live CD
[09:30] <rapha> But in that case it may very well have been through a GRUB menu. And you can also start Linux installations from within DOS or Windows.
[09:30] <Mannemarak> Hi all
[09:30] <DarthFrog> rapha: True.  But he wanted to blow away his Ubuntu installation, taking up the whole disk, then re-install XP and Ubuntu.
[09:31] <DarthFrog> rapha: So he could have just booted from the XP CD and done his partitioning there.
[09:31] <Amaranth> topyli: So, what do you think?
[09:31] <DarthFrog> rapha: Except he said he couldn't boot from CD.
[09:32] <topyli> Amaranth: so far i think there's no LyX entry in my menu :(
[09:32] <Myrtti> oh the time... soon my Cisco class starts...
[09:32] <rapha> DarthFrog: I agree only in part. XP can't create partitions of type 82 or 83. But then, you can change the types lateron.
[09:32] <Myrtti> pain and misery awaits
[09:32] <topyli> which is what i made, first as root, then tried again as topyli
[09:32] <rapha> DarthFrog: And what did he do now?
[09:32] <geneo93> how could you install xp on a vintage 1991 ibm box anyway
[09:32] <Amaranth> topyli: Did you restart gnome-panel? (kill it)
[09:33] <Quinn_Storm> topyli: pkill -10 gnome-panel
[09:33] <DarthFrog> rapha: If he can install XP first, the installation of Ubuntu in the unpartitioned space later on will fix all problems.
[09:33] <topyli> Amaranth: yes. i also started another X session to see if it would show there but no
[09:33] <rapha> Agreed
[09:33] <DarthFrog> rapha: He's off to try cfdisk to blow away his Ubuntu partition.
[09:33] <rapha> Oh
[09:33] <Amaranth> topyli: You named it LyX?
[09:33] <rapha> Well, shouldn't have a problem there :)
[09:33] <topyli> Amaranth: it shows in the menu editor it self. yes, LyX
[09:33] <Amaranth> topyli: Can you email /usr/share/applications/lyx.desktop to alleykat@gmail.com ?
[09:34] <DarthFrog> rapha: if he can figure out how to get a root terminal. :-)
[09:34] <rapha> Lol
[09:34] <asaf> how can i play APE file in ubuntu (hoary)??
[09:34] <topyli> Amaranth: let me find it
[09:34] <rapha> geneo93: Did they tell you about `sudo su` yet?
[09:35] <geneo93> rapha:  i dont use it
[09:35] <rapha> Erm
[09:35] <rapha> Why not?
[09:35] <geneo93> used to su
[09:36] <johnnybezak> hey guys general question relating to x: is x fast enough over a lan (with ethernet) to run fps games?
[09:36] <topyli> Amaranth: one lyx.desktop coming up!
[09:36] <DarthFrog> johnnybezak: No.
[09:36] <rapha> Got GigaBit ethernet, johnnybezak?
[09:37] <johnnybezak> rapha: don't know
[09:37] <DarthFrog> Not even with gig ethernet.
[09:37] <rapha> geneo93: Stop. You can't ask for help and then not accept the help offerings because you're not "used to using that".
[09:37] <Memcmeme> I am installing Ubuntu
[09:37] <johnnybezak> DarthFrog: ok cool thanks man
[09:37] <Memcmeme> I am nmy other system now
[09:37] <gabb> Hey guys, can I tell ubuntu to install XFCE instead if Gnome during install ?
[09:37] <DarthFrog> johnnybezak: If you had it, you'd know.
[09:37] <Memcmeme> I am confused though
[09:37] <Memcmeme> is this OS legal?
[09:37] <rapha> johnnybezak: Well, if you don't know you probably have megabit ethernet, not gigabit.
[09:37] <johnnybezak> DarthFrog: k
[09:37] <Memcmeme> it didn't have a copyright notice of any kind
[09:38] <rapha> Doom I might work.
[09:38] <topyli> Memcmeme: lol. it's free, you can do what you want
[09:38] <thoreauputic> Memcmeme: hehe - this is open source, dude
[09:38] <DarthFrog> rapha: But Doom 1 isn't a 3d game. :-)
[09:38] <rapha> Although I doubt it, because that still needs 25 pictures a second.
[09:38] <Memcmeme> Is it legal?
[09:38] <DarthFrog> Tho' it is a FPS.
[09:38] <thoreauputic> Memcmeme: free as in speech
[09:38] <rapha> DarthFrog: How is Doom 1 not a 3D game?
[09:38] <Memcmeme> I am not judging anyone, I just want to know that I am not breaking the law using it
[09:38] <gabb> lol
[09:38] <geneo93> thoreauputic:  that depends where you live
[09:39] <topyli> Memcmeme: as far as it is legal to write code and give your own code for other people to use and develop
[09:39] <gabb> No, you are not Memcmeme. You should read up on GPL and alike licenses used.
[09:39] <thoreauputic> Memcmeme: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/philosophy.html
[09:39] <kalis> Memcmeme, you are probably breaking murphys law using it ;)
[09:39] <DarthFrog> Is it?  I forgot.  I though Quake was the first one in that genre.  Hmm, no, Wolfie was 3d.
[09:39] <Memcmeme> OK sweet
[09:39] <Memcmeme> good
[09:39] <rapha> Memcmeme: Well, the standard Ubuntu installation is most definately legal.
[09:39] <thoreauputic> geneo93: OK - point taken :)
[09:39] <Memcmeme> its installing hella quick
[09:39] <gabb> Soooo guys: how to specifiy XFCE as my WM instead of gnome during install ??
[09:39] <gabb> I don't want the bloated gnome at all.
[09:39] <DarthFrog> rapha: You could probably do Doom1 over ethernet.
[09:39] <rapha> Memcmeme: But you can get some software from third-party repositories that is at best controversial. And that's why they didn't include it.
[09:40] <johnnybezak> gabb: why not wait for the install to finish
[09:40] <topyli> DarthFrog: wolfenstein was even called wofenstine 3d
[09:40] <thoreauputic> Memcmeme: read that link to gnu.org :)
[09:40] <johnnybezak> gabb: then you don't have to use it
[09:40] <Memcmeme> ok
[09:40] <johnnybezak> gabb: if it takes up too much hdd
[09:40] <rapha> DarthFrog: would be fun to set up some fat boxen that serves some ten copies of it to a couple of thin clients :)
[09:40] <jsgotangco> gnome isnt THAT bloated
[09:40] <johnnybezak> gabb: then remove it once you've finsihed install
[09:40] <DarthFrog> gabb: Do  a server install, then add XfCE in afterwards.
[09:40] <Amaranth> topyli: Did you send it?
[09:40] <topyli> yes
[09:40] <rapha> jsgotangco: What makes you think Gnome was bloated at all?
[09:40] <gabb> Ah, that's it - thanks DarthFrog.
[09:40] <Memcmeme> so my gloss of this so far is that the idea here is to have a system that is created by a community thats only restriction is that you cannot restrict use?
[09:41] <DarthFrog> rapha: with todays hardware acceleration, it would be ... fast. :-)
[09:41] <jsgotangco> I wasn't the one who said it was bloated
[09:41] <geneo93> hey you guys remember when SCO wanted money for us to use linux
[09:41] <topyli> Amaranth: doesn't show in your inbox?
[09:41] <rapha> jsgotangco: Oh, my apologies then.
[09:41] <Amaranth> topyli: nope. alleykat@gmail.com, right?
[09:41] <jsgotangco> gabb I don't want the bloated gnome at all.
[09:41] <gabb> ?
[09:41] <rapha> geneo93: SCO? Who's that? Never heard of 'em...
[09:41] <DarthFrog> Memcmeme: Have you read the Ubuntu manifesto?
[09:41] <Memcmeme> nope
[09:41] <jsgotangco> i'll bbl
[09:42] <thoreauputic> Memcmeme: if you redistribute, you must do it under the GPL license - which ensures evryone can use it freely
[09:42] <topyli> Amaranth: yes. sent 08:36 UTC
[09:42] <geneo93> SCO is the one who owns unix
[09:42] <DarthFrog> Memcmeme: Go to http://www.ubuntu.com and please do read it.
[09:42] <thoreauputic> Memcmeme: also known as "copyleft"
[09:42] <rapha> Hahahah!
[09:42] <gabb> SCO owns nothing.
[09:42] <rapha> Owns Unix, how sweet.
[09:42] <Amaranth> topyli: try sending it to amaranth@phphacking.com
[09:42] <Amaranth> topyli: gmail is funny sometimes
[09:43] <topyli> Amaranth: the day before yesterday a gmail user got my mail after 6 hours or so
[09:43] <mjr> geneo93, SCO has the Unix business, it's contested if it owns the OS itself, btw :)
[09:43] <topyli> hold on, i'll send it to phphacking
[09:43] <DarthFrog> thoreauputic: True, but Ubuntu is about so much more than the GPL.  It is truly beautiful.
[09:43] <Amaranth> yeah, i won't be up then :P
[09:43] <DyGyTyL> i noticed to become an ubuntu member..either registration is down or..ubuntu rejects gmail accounts
[09:43] <thoreauputic> DarthFrog: of course - Im just firing off a few summaries :)
[09:43] <kalis> haha... blender and nvidia driver dont get along to well ;)
[09:43] <Memcmeme> indeed
[09:43] <geneo93> yes i know it clains to own it but others say diff
[09:44] <topyli> Amaranth: ok let's see what happens now
[09:44] <Memcmeme> its philosophy is certainly different than Microsofts
[09:44] <Memcmeme> or even apples
[09:44] <Amaranth> got it
[09:44] <thoreauputic> Memcmeme:  ubuntu = humanity to others (approximate translation)
[09:44] <topyli> Amaranth: that's snappier :)
[09:45] <Memcmeme> yeah I read that
[09:45] <DarthFrog> Memcmeme: And the fact that Ubuntu itself is superlative, is a rather nice icing.
[09:45] <Memcmeme> I like this OS
[09:45] <Memcmeme> based on principle
[09:45] <Memcmeme> i am looking forward to the installation completing
[09:45] <thoreauputic> Memcmeme: exactly :)
[09:45] <geneo93> Memcmeme:  human
[09:46] <Memcmeme> OK my system just finished installing
[09:46] <Memcmeme> does it have an IRC client
[09:46] <Memcmeme> i want switch to that system
[09:46] <DyGyTyL> xchat by default
[09:46] <Memcmeme> ok
[09:46] <Memcmeme> be back guys :)
[09:46] <goldfish_> irssi!
[09:46] <geneo93> thoreauputic:  i've been using mandrake for 5 yrs and this is a relief
[09:46] <rapha> GRAAAH!
[09:47] <thoreauputic> goldfish_: heh - irssi is a bit steep for a complete newb :)
[09:47] <DarthFrog> rapha: Would that be the Galway GRAAAH's?  Or the Alsation branch? :-)
[09:47] <goldfish_> :)
[09:47] <topyli> geneo93: i guess i got away from mandrake soon enough, because i have good memories. recently the users complain more than before
[09:47] <thoreauputic> geneo93: yeah, I used mandrake for a while - it's OK
[09:48] <geneo93> topyli:  they lost all their good cevelopers
[09:48] <geneo93> developers
[09:48] <topyli> hmm
[09:48] <Juippis> Mandrake was my second distro I tried :)
[09:48] <memcmeme> it works
[09:48] <thoreauputic> I tried 10.1 just to see what it was like - uninstalled it a day later
[09:49] <topyli> geneo93: iirc they used to have a good gnome team
[09:49] <geneo93> yeah when they went into bankruptsy
[09:49] <thoreauputic> memcmeme: welcome back!
[09:49] <memcmeme> I am confused, I have onboard sound, I have to install drivers for it to work, but I have sound now
[09:49] <memcmeme> how is that possible?
[09:49] <geneo93> thoreauputic:  i have a copy of cooker on here
[09:49] <Juippis> thoreauputic: yes, in my opinion 9.2 is the best
[09:49] <gabb> ALSA/OSS drivers
[09:50] <gabb> Work with almost every soundcard or sound chip.
[09:50] <thoreauputic> memcmeme: the drivers are installed from kernel modules
[09:50] <memcmeme> that is impressive indeed
[09:50] <memcmeme> WTF
[09:50] <memcmeme> I have an office application
[09:50] <memcmeme> I didn't install one
[09:50] <thoreauputic> memcmeme: if they are there for your hardware, they "just work"
[09:50] <gabb> Yea, OOe.
[09:50] <gabb> *OOo
[09:50] <thoreauputic> memcmeme: oh yes... *big grin*
[09:50] <memcmeme> this is like Christmas
[09:51] <thoreauputic> memcmeme: yay!!
[09:51] <gabb> Your suprise tells me you've been a windows user till now.
[09:51] <memcmeme> yeah
[09:51] <DyGyTyL> nice to know another has been converted to ubuntu:D
[09:51] <topyli> memcmeme: just go to work. everything should be there and Just Work :)
[09:51] <gabb> Wait till you find the update-manager who'll serve you the latest updates for the entire system (for free).
[09:52] <memcmeme> I tried something called apt-get install synaptic
[09:52] <memcmeme> and it seems to be working
[09:52] <DyGyTyL> should be installed already..
[09:52] <thoreauputic> memcmeme: when you configure your package manager, you will have *thousands* of programs to choose from
[09:52] <thoreauputic> that's synaptic
[09:52] <memcmeme> how do I get to synaptic
[09:52] <memcmeme> its not installed
[09:52] <memcmeme> now
[09:52] <memcmeme> installed
[09:52] <memcmeme> that is
[09:52] <memcmeme> but I don't know where it is
[09:52] <Hmmmm> memcmeme, have u configured apt-get
[09:52] <Hmmmm> ?
[09:52] <geneo93> yeah it is
[09:52] <memcmeme> no
[09:52] <memcmeme> how do I do that?
[09:53] <thoreauputic> computer >> system config >> package manager
[09:53] <topyli> memcmeme: system - administration - synaptic in the menu
[09:53] <DyGyTyL> systems\administration on the title bar, should see synaptics
[09:53] <Hmmmm> memcmeme, do a "whereis apt-get"
[09:53] <geneo93> dont mess with it yet
[09:53] <thoreauputic> use the GUI at first
[09:53] <topyli> memcmeme: sorry, you have a different menu from mine
[09:53] <DyGyTyL> you running 4.10 still topyli?
[09:54] <topyli> DyGyTyL: no, but i think memcmeme is
[09:54] <memcmeme> it says I have 3165 packages to choose from
[09:54] <thoreauputic> memcmeme: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[09:54] <geneo93> mem you have to add some repositories yet
[09:55] <thoreauputic> memcmeme: you should add the "universe" repositories under settings > repositories
[09:55] <memcmeme> how do I add them
[09:55] <memcmeme> neverind
[09:55] <memcmeme> it just a click away
[09:55] <memcmeme> God that was easy
[09:55] <Amaranth> topyli: odd, i can't make it show up either
[09:55] <thoreauputic> memcmeme: you can select them (tick the boxes)
[09:56] <thoreauputic> memcmeme: now reload
[09:56] <topyli> Amaranth: yeah. yet the file looks ok
[09:56] <memcmeme> doing so
[09:56] <geneo93> then click on mark all updates
[09:56] <thoreauputic> you sshould then see about 13 000 packages or more
[09:56] <memcmeme> HOLY Sh!T
[09:56] <DyGyTyL> hehe:P
[09:56] <memcmeme> it says 14478 packages
[09:56] <Amaranth> oh
[09:57] <Amaranth> i know why
[09:57] <thoreauputic> haha - it's fune seeing someone discover Ubuntu :)
[09:57] <memcmeme> I tried Linux a long while back
[09:57] <memcmeme> and I hated it
[09:57] <memcmeme> it was a pain in the but
[09:57] <memcmeme> but this is great
[09:57] <thoreauputic> memcmeme: all free in both senses of the word
[09:57] <memcmeme> the one I tried was called Mepiss or something
[09:57] <memcmeme> and it kept crashing
[09:57] <geneo93> thoreauputic:  i would like to see the expression on his face
[09:57] <topyli> :)
[09:58] <thoreauputic> geneo93: indeed
[09:58] <goldfish_> hey guys, just wanting to try out xfce, just searched synaptic, and i see xfce and xfce4, which one should i choose?
[09:58] <farruinn> xfce4
[09:58] <memcmeme> I can't get over the fact that my monitor just works
[09:58] <memcmeme> again on windows
[09:58] <geneo93> memcmeme:  you have warty or hoary
[09:58] <memcmeme> it came out all screwy until I installed the drivers
[09:59] <memcmeme> hoary
[09:59] <acorbi> Hi all: anyone knows why packages semantic and eieio are *newer* in warty than in hoary?
[09:59] <geneo93> cool you love it
[09:59] <memcmeme> its donwlaoding a LOT of stuff
[09:59] <memcmeme> is it like doing a total update of all of the packages?
[09:59] <memcmeme> on my system?
[09:59] <goldfish_> farruinn: thanks
[10:00] <topyli> memcmeme: hoary isn't quite ready yet. there are lots of updates every day now
[10:00] <djp> hi everynoe
[10:00] <Amaranth> maybe i don't know why
[10:00] <topyli> heh
[10:00] <djp> and everyone!
[10:00] <thoreauputic> memcmeme: you will need a few "non-free" packages for sound etc, probably for mp3 and such: non-free doesn't mean they cost money of course...
[10:00] <geneo93> memcmeme:  its going to update some each day so you have to keep doing the update for awhile
[10:00] <memcmeme> how do I get those nonfree packages?
[10:01] <memcmeme> should I tick multiverse?
[10:01] <topyli> yes
[10:01] <memcmeme> will do when it finishes downloading the other stuff
[10:01] <thoreauputic> memcmeme: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:01] <Micksa> if I attempt to run a prog that needs my password (sudo I presume) and I get the password wrong and it doesn't let me re-type, pretending I've already typed the (wrong) password, how do I fix that?
[10:01] <djp> memcmeme: check out http://ubuntuguide.org for easy to follow advice on setting up ubuntu
[10:02] <memcmeme> ok
[10:02] <memcmeme> sorry to bother you with all of these questions :(
[10:02] <thoreauputic> memcmeme: that's why we're here :)
[10:02] <Amaranth> topyli: Got it. :)
[10:02] <topyli> memcmeme: when we get tired of newbies, we just go away for a while :)
[10:02] <Amaranth> topyli: I need to make one more change then I'm going to upload a new deb.
[10:03] <memcmeme> I like the desktop colors they are very earthy
[10:03] <memcmeme> they remind me of Zambia
[10:03] <Micksa> ah, I see
[10:03] <gabb> Heh, this is not MSDN - you're more than welcome asking questions. We just advice you to read solutions (articles and documents) that describe your problem better than we can.
[10:03] <topyli> Amaranth: great. the editor does look good, keep a-hacking' :)
[10:05] <thoreauputic> memcmeme: be aware that hoary is still in development - things can break. it will become the official release in April
[10:05] <memcmeme> IT HAS AIM!
[10:05] <memcmeme> only it doesn't have those damn adds
[10:05] <thoreauputic> yup, and msn and jabber and ...
[10:05] <Amaranth> topyli: new deb and source uploaded
[10:05] <Quinn_Storm> memcmeme: well its gaim, but gaim is better ^-^
[10:06] <memcmeme> I would say so, I like it better already, no popups
[10:06] <geneo93> hehe
[10:06] <memcmeme> no bloody video apearing without my asking in the corner of th box
[10:06] <Amaranth> topyli: the lyx entry won't show up in the editor anymore either, you'll need to delete it and create a new one
[10:06] <DyGyTyL> gaim rocks, i noticed things before..where it tells you if someone has you blocked or if they dont have you on their list..hehe
[10:06] <memcmeme> this is peaceful
[10:06] <memcmeme> I can already feel my stress level decreasing
[10:06] <topyli> Amaranth: ok. i'll remove it by hand first
[10:06] <thoreauputic> memcmeme: heh- I haven't seen a popup for over a year, as far as I can remember
[10:07] <djp> i want to install the following package from source, http://www.ghostwhitecrab.com/generator/. what packages need to be installed on my system in order to do this? When I try to compile the source I receive the message, no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH.
[10:07] <xiglet> what's the difference between array7 and preview? does array7 have gnome 2.10?
[10:07] <goldfish_> djp: get a c compiler
[10:07] <gabb> You'll need GCC or CC.
[10:07] <DyGyTyL> ubuntu doesnt have gcc or cc by default
[10:07] <goldfish_> djp: apt-get install gcc
[10:07] <gabb> But GCC is in base iirc.
[10:07] <geneo93> thoreauputic:  i quit using windows in 1999 when se came out
[10:07] <Quinn_Storm> ubuntu doesn't install dev stuff by default
[10:07] <memcmeme> this xchat program is great
[10:08] <goldfish_> hehe
[10:08] <djp> goldfish_: cheers
[10:08] <memcmeme> its so much nicer than chatzilla
[10:08] <goldfish_> i prefer my terminal based irc clients :)
[10:08] <zenrox> memcmeme,  wait till you find the scripts
[10:08] <Amaranth> djp: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[10:08] <gabb> gcc is installed per default in hoary, at least for me. Maybe it's missing libc-dev and alike.
[10:08] <thoreauputic> no sudo apt-get install build-essential to get all compiling stuff
[10:08] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: :)
[10:09] <djp> Amaranth: what is the build-essential package?
[10:09] <Amaranth> djp: Just what it sounds like, the essentials for building things from source.
[10:09] <thoreauputic> djp: it's a "meta-package" that installs the tools
[10:09] <Amaranth> topyli: I _just_ got your email in gmail. :P
[10:10] <topyli> heh
[10:10] <DyGyTyL> i've been boggling back and forth trying to fix these broken packages..it happened sometime either apt-get updating/upgrading before ubuntu's new update manager..(i tend to stay away from synaptics so it wasnt that). but i've been unable to fix em and was wondering if anyone else had trouble with em, lsb, lsb-cxx, lsb-graphics, python2.3-glade2, python-gtk2 :/ i don't really depend on python all that much
[10:10] <memcmeme> will I have to restard when my update finishes?
[10:10] <DyGyTyL> wow spam sry:P
[10:10] <memcmeme> *restart
[10:10] <thoreauputic> memcmeme: no
[10:10] <memcmeme> ok
[10:10] <kalis> memcmeme, nope! No reboots necessary here! It's not windows or OSX!
[10:10] <memcmeme> then i will stay on
[10:10] <kalis> ;)
[10:11] <thoreauputic> memcmeme: you don't have to - but the kernel will be newer
[10:11] <memcmeme> :)
[10:11] <zenrox> memcmeme,  only reboot when a kerl is being updated
[10:11] <thoreauputic> memcmeme: the new kernel would kick in on next reboot
[10:11] <zenrox> kernel
[10:11] <memcmeme> sweet
[10:11] <memcmeme> is it possible to get nvidia drivers with apt?
[10:11] <optika> memcmeme: yes
[10:11] <memcmeme> becuase it looks like I can install UT2K4 on linux
[10:11] <thoreauputic> memcmeme: rebooting is rarely necessary or desirable in linux
[10:12] <djp> Amaranth: thanks
[10:12] <Amaranth> topyli: working now? :)
[10:12] <zenrox> memcmeme, read www.ubuntuguide.org for nvida drivers
[10:12] <kalis> i think it is very odd that OSX cant load for example LDAP auth into the kernel without a reboot... it's a FreeBSD kernel under the hood for crying out loud!
[10:12] <guotie> so many people ,hahah
[10:12] <guotie> are there chinese ?
[10:12] <thoreauputic> guotie: probably
[10:12] <topyli> Amaranth: hold on. i tried to clean up real good first
[10:13] <Quinn_Storm> kalis: actually its mach, not freebsd, the userland is bsd-ish but the kernel is nothing like bsd
[10:13] <Amaranth> topyli: o_O
[10:13] <guotie> mm
[10:13] <Amaranth> After I get a few more people using this and add delete support I'm going to talk to the motu about getting it included.
[10:13] <Amaranth> Probably today or tomorrow.
[10:13] <memcmeme> this is just nice :)
[10:14] <kalis> Quinn_Storm, hmm! isnt the darwin kernel is a derative from FreeBSD kernel?
[10:14] <natxo> hi all
[10:14] <Amaranth> today meaning after i wake up today :P
[10:14] <Quinn_Storm> kalis: not that I know of no
[10:14] <topyli> Amaranth: you just put lyx on my menu. works nice. thanks! just what we need
[10:14] <guotie> hi
[10:14] <optika> FreeBSD and mach derivative.
[10:14] <memcmeme> LOL
[10:14] <zenrox> Amaranth,  what program
[10:14] <zenrox> ??
[10:14] <guotie> i have just update
[10:14] <memcmeme> there is a thingy in the corner that lets my switch desktops
[10:14] <Quinn_Storm> the userland is FreeBSD derivative, not the kernel
[10:14] <flawd> when hoary stable is released, there wont be any problems upgrading my hoary preview to it right?
[10:15] <Amaranth> zenrox: http://www.realistanew.com/2005/03/18/gnome-menu-editor/
[10:15] <zenrox> sweet
[10:15] <zenrox> goine to get it now
[10:15] <guotie> the preview version can do
[10:15] <thoreauputic> memcmeme: you can have more than 4 if you wish
[10:15] <Quinn_Storm> flawd: I don't see why there would be
[10:15] <gabb> Heh - you'll spend some time now memcmeme finding nice features that are common for linux/bsd users, but new to a former windows user. :)
[10:16] <flawd> Quinn_Storm, Thought there might be a different "tree" or something. Something that differs
[10:16] <thoreauputic> memcmeme: the win world has no idea what it's missing out on ;)
[10:16] <gabb> You can also drag&drop windows from desktop to another desktop by pulling it to the edges.
[10:16] <Quinn_Storm> flawd: not with a debian-based distro
[10:16] <flawd> Good.
[10:16] <flawd> ty
[10:16] <micmur> Hi all
[10:16] <flawd> I think the preview is quite buggy but also quite stable for a preview release.
[10:16] <kalis> Stupid apple, they say on their site that the tiger kernel is based on mach and freebsd. ;)
[10:17] <micmur> Anybody here install mplayer and the mozilla plugins on your system?
[10:17] <geneo93> thoreauputic:  you must be a democrate also
[10:17] <Amaranth> kalis: And that's bad why?
[10:17] <DyGyTyL> flawd: agreed...
[10:17] <deFrysk> micmur, yes
[10:17] <kalis> Amaranth, if the kernel aint based on freebsd, why should they say it?
[10:17] <Amaranth> it is
[10:17] <micmur> I get picture but no sound when I go to Quicktime trailers...
[10:17] <thoreauputic> geneo93: no, I'm a kind of soft hearted anarchist ;-)
[10:17] <micmur> Do I have to do something?
[10:17] <gabb> The internals/core are mach.
[10:17] <kalis> MMkay!
[10:18] <flawd> btw, how can I edit the program menues in gnome?
[10:18] <deFrysk> micmur, never tried it with qtime
[10:18] <johnnybezak> flawd: apparently you can't with 2.10
[10:18] <deFrysk> micmur, can I have a link ?
[10:18] <Amaranth> flawd: http://dev.realistanew.com/menu-editor/menueditor_0.1-1_i386.deb <--install that
[10:18] <flawd> johnnybezak, umm, that is truly weird if so
[10:18] <Amaranth> flawd: If you're using hoary.
[10:18] <memcmeme> you will never take my ubuntu from me alive!
[10:18] <flawd> I am
[10:18] <kalis> johnnybezak, you can, with a little XML file hacking you can alter the menu files.
[10:18] <micmur> http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/waroftheworlds/large_1.html
[10:18] <thoreauputic> memcmeme: haha :D
[10:19] <geneo93> memcmeme:  its frree for life
[10:19] <johnnybezak> kalis: ok some text file? i just read there was no menu editor
[10:19] <memcmeme> I'd pay
[10:19] <micmur> Picture is great
[10:19] <flawd> Amaranth, is that something that will be included in hoary soon?
[10:19] <micmur> Just no sound right now
[10:19] <micmur> No idea what to do
[10:19] <Amaranth> flawd: I hope so.
[10:19] <deFrysk> micmur, loading
[10:19] <micmur> k
[10:19] <geneo93> memcmeme:  you can donate
[10:19] <thoreauputic> memcmeme: and you will never *need * to reinstall again, if you stay up to date with upgrades :)
[10:19] <flawd> Amaranth, is it safe to install "out of ubuntu"-debs?
[10:19] <deFrysk> micmur, works fine here
[10:19] <memcmeme> nice
[10:19] <Amaranth> flawd: Yeah, I made that.
[10:20] <memcmeme> I am glad I have broadband though
[10:20] <deFrysk> micmur, are you in gnome ?
[10:20] <micmur> I just went through the whole how-to on the forums and now I can't hear
[10:20] <micmur> Yes
[10:20] <memcmeme> this would be monsteriously horrible on dialup
[10:20] <memcmeme> this update would have take weeks
[10:20] <flawd> Amaranth, well hmm... ok. thanks
[10:20] <thoreauputic> memcmeme: I'm surviving on dialup :)
[10:20] <deFrysk> micmur, are you in hoary ?
[10:20] <topyli> flawd: i just tried it and it works
[10:20] <ubuntu> hi
[10:20] <geneo93> memcmeme:  days here
[10:21] <micmur> Yep
[10:21] <memcmeme> ahh
[10:21] <ubuntu> i just under kubuntu ...
[10:21] <memcmeme> 15 minutes here
[10:21] <thoreauputic> memcmeme: on dialup the stable branch is a better alternative
[10:21] <flawd> topyli, nice
[10:21] <memcmeme> I would imagine
[10:21] <ubuntu> i would like to know if theres a way to save  the config on a usb key for a live cd use ?
[10:21] <deFrysk> micmur, set the soundoutput to esd in /etc/mplayerplug-in.conf
[10:21] <topyli> ubuntu: is kubuntu kde "humanized"?
[10:21] <geneo93> thoreauputic:  i live on the edge
[10:21] <micmur> ah
[10:21] <deFrysk> micmur, like ao=esd
[10:21] <micmur> Going now
[10:22] <thoreauputic> geneo93: by all means, if you like to :)
[10:22] <ubuntu> so for the config save ?
[10:22] <geneo93> i have alot of patience i guess
[10:22] <johnnybezak> ubutnu: what config do you want to save
[10:23] <DyGyTyL> i've had trouble with my debs list in 5.04 i want to paste this maybe someone can pinpoint what actually went wrong. this is one of many debs that went haywire on a 5.04 update
[10:23] <DyGyTyL> W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org sarge/updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY F1D53D8C4F368D5D
[10:23] <thoreauputic> geneo93: I just finished an 83 MB security update on Warty
[10:23] <thoreauputic> geneo93: that's big enough for me...
[10:23] <geneo93> thoreauputic:  all my files are backed up on more than one drive so it no biggy
[10:24] <topyli> DyGyTyL: why the sarge updates?
[10:24] <natxo> DyGyTyL i have the same error but with nerim.net repo
[10:24] <memcmeme> I am going to try to install the Nvidia drivers following that little guide
[10:24] <thoreauputic> DyGyTyL: why are you using debian repos?
[10:24] <ubuntu> every livecd have a tool to save config ...and retrieve it when rebooting the live cd
[10:24] <DyGyTyL> my friend gave me his sources.list which has like an assload of sources
[10:25] <geneo93> 612 upgraded, 21 newly installed, 4 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[10:25] <ubuntu> oops
[10:25] <geneo93> Need to get 297MB/415MB of archives.
[10:25] <marcin_ant> thoreauputic: this is because upgrade system is stupid - I really don't understand why I need to reinstall whole package while only few files changed
[10:25] <thoreauputic> DyGyTyL: this is a *very* bad move...
[10:25] <DyGyTyL> worked fine in 4.10, ..:\
[10:25] <topyli> DyGyTyL: throw it away :)
[10:25] <marcin_ant> thoreauputic: in this way you have to download 83MB
[10:25] <micmur> deFrysk: Did it and still no sound
[10:25] <marcin_ant> thoreauputic: while you propably could 10% of it
[10:25] <thoreauputic> marcin_ant: yes, an rsync syatem would be nicer
[10:26] <micmur> vo=x11,			# To specify default video driver (see -vo help for
[10:26] <micmur> 			# list)
[10:26] <micmur> ao=esd,		# To specify default audio driver (see -ao help for
[10:26] <micmur> 			# list)
[10:26] <thoreauputic> *system
[10:26] <topyli> DyGyTyL: first, hoary is more in sync with unstable than sarge. second, you'll end up with a bastard hybrid debian/ubuntu system that will surely break
[10:26] <deFrysk> micmur, did u use the packages as stated in the wiki pages for restrikted formats for hoary ?
[10:26] <ubuntu> so o can't see any tool for the config save ..
[10:27] <micmur> I just followed these instructions...http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=94&page=4&pp=10&highlight=install+mplayer
[10:27] <DyGyTyL> good thing i backed up my old sources.list, just hope it's not too late
[10:28] <geneo93> DyGyTyL:  apt-get clean
[10:28] <DyGyTyL> *nod*
[10:28] <deFrysk> micmur,  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats read about the needed packages and repos for hoeary to get the correct packages
[10:29] <deFrysk> hoary that is
[10:29] <memcmeme> I want to test out my nvidia drivers
[10:29] <memcmeme> is there a quick OpenGL app I can get?
[10:29] <natxo> memcmeme glxgears
[10:29] <DyGyTyL> is an apt-get dist-upgrade the same thing as using the 5.04  ubuntu update manager?
[10:29] <geneo93> glxgears
[10:29] <geneo93> yes
[10:29] <deFrysk> micmur, your seem at first glance needed for warty
[10:29] <natxo> or try neverball, tuxracer...
[10:31] <geneo93> well guys gnite
[10:31] <thoreauputic> nite geneo93
[10:31] <DyGyTyL> l8r geneo
[10:31] <memcmeme> whats a good dvd codex for linux?
[10:32] <jamin_l> Quick question if I may... if I apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, will it add all of the KDE apps to my Gnome Applications menu?
[10:33] <deFrysk> jamin_l, big part of it for sure
[10:33] <gabb> memcmeme, install VLC (VideoLAN Client), it has all the codecs you need shipped with it iirc.
[10:33] <topyli> jamin_l: i doubt it
[10:33] <deFrysk> topyli, dont doubt it
[10:33] <topyli> heh, ok then
[10:33] <deFrysk> ;p
[10:33] <kalis> I might be quite stupid! But how do i get folders to appear in the "Places" menu?
[10:33] <kalis> http://www.gnome.org/~davyd/gnome-2-10/images/panel-menus-places-cut.png
[10:33] <Rattboi> kalis:I don't think you do
[10:34] <Rattboi> oh, maybe you do
[10:34] <Rattboi> :P
[10:34] <jamin_l> Hmmm... I'd rather not have that happen.  It did that installing the vanilla KDE packages from Universe, and aside from broken packages causing trouble, that led me to uninstall the whole thing.
[10:34] <kalis> Thats what i thought, im not stupid after all ;)
[10:34] <thoreauputic> kalis: if they are in /etc/fstab, they should appear
[10:34] <thoreauputic> kalis: ah sorry - misunderstood you
[10:34] <jamin_l> kalis... this is probably not the official way, but if you're in an "open File" dialog and you drag a folder to the side, it'll appear there and in the Places menu
[10:35] <memcmeme> ok
[10:35] <memcmeme> I am downlaoding them
[10:35] <Rattboi> the gnome menus seem to be really screwy atm, I assume mostly because of Freedesktop spec stuff
[10:35] <memcmeme> how do I get kubuntu?
[10:35] <Rattboi> memcmeme, download it :P
[10:35] <thoreauputic> memcmeme: did you read the restricted formats page I linked ?
[10:35] <Rattboi> http://www.kubuntu.org.uk/
[10:35] <memcmeme> yes
[10:35] <DyGyTyL> on ubuntu 4.10, ...i nabbed bits and pieces of kde to implement some parts of xandros into my ubuntu it didn't merge gnome + kde..but if u only snatched a few parts of kde then tried to boot in kde u might be in trouble:p
[10:35] <deFrysk> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/hoary/preview/hoary-install-i386.iso
[10:36] <thoreauputic> memcmeme: I believe you can add kde by installing kubuntu-desktop
[10:36] <kalis> jamin_l, Cool! That solves the mystery! I now have everything i need in the "places" menu!
[10:36] <jamin_l> kalis, glad Icould help
[10:36] <natxo> kalis: in a gtkfileselector you can "add favourites" and then you can see them in "places"
[10:37] <memcmeme> where the heck did VLC go?
[10:37] <memcmeme> I installed it
[10:37] <topyli> memcmeme: it probably won't show up in the menu
[10:37] <Rattboi> memcmeme, like I said, gnome menus are kinda funny atm, sometimes I need to restart gnome to get stuff to show up
[10:37] <thoreauputic> memcmeme: try typing `vlc` ina terminal
[10:37] <Rattboi> what thoreauputic said
[10:38] <Rattboi> was so nice when you could do "applications:///" in nautilus
[10:38] <memcmeme> go it
[10:38] <memcmeme> got it
[10:38] <memcmeme> how do I link that command to the menu?
[10:38] <Alessio> sorry who can i ask for add a forum to this page http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/forums/document_view ??
[10:38] <thoreauputic> memcmeme:  to put it in the background, you can start apps with for example,  vlc &
[10:38] <Rattboi> is Kubuntu KDE + Gnome, or just KDE?
[10:38] <Rattboi> memcmeme, it's probably already there
[10:38] <natxo> memcmeme go to the file propierties menu, and browse "open with"
[10:38] <thoreauputic> the & allows you to keep using the terminal
[10:39] <Rattboi> just need to restart gnome
[10:39] <xiglet> what is the difference between hoary array7 and preview?
[10:39] <johnnybezak> Rattboi: why can't you type applications:/// now?
[10:39] <thoreauputic> johnnybezak: gnome menu editing is broken atm
[10:39] <micmur> deFrysk:Changed ao to esd and still no sound
[10:39] <thoreauputic> in hoary
[10:39] <memcmeme> Ok
[10:39] <topyli> Alessio: you want to add a language?
[10:40] <memcmeme> I will do that when kubuntu is done downlaoding
[10:40] <dabi> hmm when i try to uninstall webmin from synaptic during the uninstall sript it just closes it self.. and wont remove, what command removes it in console?
[10:40] <memcmeme> I will be back in like ten or fifteen minutes guys
[10:40] <micmur> deFrysk: Even went to the wikipage
[10:40] <Rattboi> johnnybezak, it seems that gnome menu editing got removed when they standardized to freedesktop menu spec
[10:40] <thoreauputic> memcmeme: you can make a laucher (short cut ico)
[10:40] <thoreauputic> *icon
[10:40] <Rattboi> seems like it'd be smarter to make sure it's fully working before implementing it, but whatever
[10:40] <DyGyTyL> apt-get remove webmin ?
[10:40] <DM_Rado> hi everyone
[10:41] <flawd> hi
[10:41] <thoreauputic> Amaranth has written a menu-editor
[10:41] <dabi> dpkg: error processing webmin (--remove):
[10:41] <dabi>  Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should
[10:41] <dabi>  reinstall it before attempting a removal.
[10:41] <dabi> Errors were encountered while processing:
[10:41] <dabi>  webmin
[10:41] <dabi> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[10:41] <Amaranth> :)
[10:41] <natxo> dabi dpkg --purge webmin && apt-get install webmin
[10:41] <thoreauputic> dabi: next time, use #flood or apastebin, please
[10:41] <Amaranth> damn python-xdg
[10:41] <DM_Rado> i have an acer travelmate 730 series, i cannot install ubuntu
[10:41] <dabi> srry
[10:42] <Amaranth> current version works, next version will work better
[10:42] <dabi> damn wont work..
[10:43] <DM_Rado> is this normal?
[10:43] <flawd> DM_Rado, what is the error?
[10:43] <thoreauputic> well, eating time... later all
[10:43] <natxo> dabi dpkg --purge webmin
[10:43] <flawd> later thoreauputic
[10:43] <natxo> and then, try to re-instal
[10:44] <dabi> naxto: error processing webmin (--purge)
[10:44] <natxo> what error?
[10:44] <DyGyTyL> hmm, maybe dpkg -P webmin then apt-get install webmin
[10:44] <dabi> Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should
[10:44] <dabi>  reinstall it before attempting a removal.
[10:44] <micmur> Anybody else know how to configure sound in mplayer so I can play Quicktime trailers?
[10:44] <MyNameIsChris> Will apt-get install php4 work with a custom build of apache?
[10:44] <natxo> dpkg --purge --force-all webmin
[10:45] <dabi> naxto: dpkg: error while cleaning up:
[10:45] <dabi>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 126
[10:45] <natxo> shit, you need to edit postinst script
[10:45] <dabi> omg
[10:46] <natxo> edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/webmin.postinst
[10:46] <natxo> and add "exit 0" after #!/bin/sh
[10:47] <natxo> its the only way, really?
[10:48] <DM_Rado> i have an acer travelmate 730 series, i cannot install ubuntu, can some one help
[10:48] <dabi> hm.. where do i add exit 0?
[10:48] <dabi> theres exit 0 at end of the file..
[10:48] <natxo> dabi before #!/bin/sh
[10:48] <natxo> 2nd line
[10:48] <lok> s/return/exit/
[10:48] <dabi> oh
[10:48] <MyNameIsChris> DM_Rado, what is the problem?
[10:48] <dabi> done..
[10:48] <natxo> dabi, try to dpkg --purge again
[10:49] <DM_Rado> there are alot of errors  when installing
[10:49] <dabi> same error :S
[10:49] <natxo> aagh
[10:49] <Alessio> topyli, yes italian
[10:49] <dabi> fking webmin.. only get me problems..
[10:49] <natxo> dabi, move the postinst file to /tmp and create new with only:
[10:49] <natxo> #!/bin/sh
[10:49] <natxo> exit 0
[10:50] <lok> have you try to force install a older version then remove it?
[10:50] <Alessio> topyli, italian forum is up yet, i want ask a link..
[10:50] <DM_Rado> failed configuring network
[10:50] <dabi> natxo: so that the file contains only #! /bin/sh and exit 0
[10:50] <dabi> ?
[10:50] <natxo> ya
[10:51] <dabi> STILL the same prob..
[10:51] <dabi> omfg
[10:51] <natxo> chmod +x the file
[10:51] <flawd> heh. the update thingie says there are 2 updates but when trying to update it says there is nothing to update
[10:51] <dabi> mn done..
[10:52] <dabi> damn...
[10:52] <deFrysk> flawd, same here
[10:53] <natxo> what happened?
[10:53] <dabi> same error..
[10:53] <natxo> shit
[10:53] <flawd> deFrysk, oh well. some de-sync or something
[10:53] <flawd> nothing majorly disturbing
[10:53] <natxo> paste again the error
[10:54] <dabi> (Reading database ... 98850 files and directories currently installed.)
[10:54] <dabi> Removing webmin ...
[10:54] <dabi> Stopping Webmin server in /home/toni/Desktop/webmin-1.180.tar_FILES/webmin-1.180/etc/webmin/stop: line 4: kill: (6789) - No such process
[10:54] <dabi> invoke-rc.d: initscript webmin, action "stop" failed.
[10:54] <dabi> dpkg: error processing webmin (--purge):
[10:54] <dabi>  subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1
[10:54] <dabi> Errors were encountered while processing:
[10:54] <dabi>  webmin
[10:54] <dabi> ups
[10:55] <natxo> uhmm.....
[10:55] <natxo> and with --force-all ?
[10:56] <Shaquile> Do you have any idea where I can find Kubuntu?
[10:57] <deFrysk> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/hoary/preview/hoary-install-i386.iso
[10:58] <topyli> Alessio: i'm not sure who's responsible for the web pages. jdub probably
[10:58] <Shaquile> deFrysk: Thanks!
[11:00] <DyGyTyL> dabi: did you install webmin from apt?
[11:00] <memcmeme> I can't get it to play DVD
[11:00] <topyli> Amaranth: actually, the menu entries seem to get updated every time i click save in the editor. haven't killed gnome-panel yet
[11:00] <kalis> is there anyone else than me that finds Evolution a bit annoying with all its evolution-data-server, exchange-that and exchange-this? ;)
[11:00] <memcmeme> I need something called libdvdcss
[11:00] <Amaranth> topyli: really?!?
[11:00] <memcmeme> but I can't apt it
[11:01] <topyli> Amaranth: yeah, i don't know what's wrong :)
[11:01] <deFrysk> memcmeme, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:01] <Myrtti> memcmeme: wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[11:01] <Myrtti> deFrysk: sync \o/
[11:01] <deFrysk> :D
[11:01] <topyli> Amaranth: it works instantly
[11:01] <Amaranth> not here
[11:01] <topyli> when i add entries as root
[11:01] <Amaranth> it'll show up right away in the editor
[11:01] <mattb> hi, is there a way to make the gnome Music Player use ALSA rather than ESD?
[11:01] <Amaranth> but not in the panel
[11:01] <topyli> hmm
[11:02] <Amaranth> oh, now it works :)
[11:02] <Amaranth> i forgot to give the first entry a category
[11:02] <memcmeme> yeah
[11:02] <Amaranth> sweetness
[11:02] <memcmeme> i read it
[11:02] <memcmeme> it says libdvdcss2
[11:03] <memcmeme> I can't apt it
[11:03] <topyli> Amaranth: your editor must be seriously buggy. gnome-menus don't work like they used to =)
[11:03] <membreya> wooo another 25Mb of updates today...that makes about 150Mb in the last 3 days :P
[11:03] <Amaranth> heh
[11:03] <dwa_> sounds like fun if you're on a 56k line :)
[11:04] <membreya> dwa_: cable :)
[11:04] <topyli> Amaranth: one thing it needs is to go to /usr/share/pixmaps for icons
[11:04] <dwa_> hehe i'm on a 3mbit line here
[11:04] <dwa_> but back in the day... ;)
[11:04] <deFrysk> memcmeme, you need the marrilat repo
[11:04] <membreya> too slow for my liking dwa_ :P adsl even beats that :P
[11:04] <natxo> dwa_ can you borrow me some mbits? :P
[11:04] <natxo> i only have 512kbits
[11:04] <deFrysk> memcmeme, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:04] <dwa_> hehe
[11:04] <dwa_> this is a adsl line membreya
[11:05] <dwa_> natxo i'd be glad to
[11:05] <membreya> ok ok ..."full" adsl beats it :P
[11:05] <dwa_> when are you going to pick it up?
[11:05] <memcmeme> it doesn't say how to get the marrilat repo
[11:05] <dwa_> true true :)
[11:05] <membreya> can't wait till adsl2 hits the market :)
[11:05] <dwa_> me 2
[11:05] <flawd> 512kbps works
[11:05] <dwa_> it's going to be rolled out this year here in the netherlands
[11:05] <membreya> sweeeeet :)
[11:05] <MyNameIsChris> Hmm, php4 has apache as a dependency but where does it put it, more importantly. apachectl
[11:05] <membreya> flawd: 512kbps ...works for email :)
[11:06] <deFrysk> memcmeme, yust this time : deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat unstable main
[11:06] <flawd> or wait I think my isp upgraded it
[11:06] <natxo> time to have some food
[11:06] <flawd> I download at max 200-230 KB / sec
[11:06] <flawd> that must be more than 512 kbps
[11:06] <dwa_> yep
[11:06] <membreya> thats much faster than 512 flawd lol :P
[11:06] <tanek_> 2Mbit
[11:06] <petemc> thats nearly 2 meg
[11:06] <dwa_> i'm doing 350 kB / s
[11:06] <flawd> weird
[11:06] <membreya> 512 = 60kB/s or so
[11:07] <flawd> well I wont complain!
[11:07] <tanek_> bit/8 = byte :P
[11:07] <membreya> I only download at about 1.5Mb/s :(
[11:07] <tanek_> let people do their own maths :P
[11:07] <flawd> poor you medwards_
[11:07] <memcmeme> how do I point synaptic at it?
[11:07] <flawd> membreya
[11:07] <membreya> tanek_: don't forget start/stop packets..so it = 10 :)
[11:08] <tanek_> :D
[11:08] <deFrysk> memcmeme, just add it to your /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:08] <memcmeme> I am brand new
[11:08] <memcmeme> I have no idea what that is
[11:08] <membreya> then again ..according to harddrive manufacturers..1gb = 1000 Mb :|
[11:08] <tanek_> :(
[11:08] <deFrysk> memcmeme, know how to use nano ?
[11:09] <tanek_> use gedit
[11:09] <flawd> lol yeah I checked the ISP's site out and they upgraded to 2 mbps
[11:09] <deFrysk> tanek_, yah
[11:09] <memcmeme> nope
[11:09] <DyGyTyL> memcmeme has to be root to edit their sources.list, dont think they have established root yet
[11:09] <deFrysk> memcmeme, sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:09] <memcmeme> ok
[11:09] <memcmeme> I am in synaptic
[11:09] <deFrysk> memcmeme, and add the line
[11:10] <memcmeme> and I clicked on repository
[11:10] <memcmeme> edit
[11:10] <membreya> just me or is AUC painfully slow ?
[11:10] <memcmeme> custom
[11:10] <memcmeme> and it says apt line
[11:10] <tanek_> gaaah, why oh why can't i get cedega to play warcraft 3, says no cd... 4.3 does have the fix for this copy-protection :(
[11:10] <memcmeme> what the apt line for marrilet
[11:10] <memcmeme> ?
[11:10] <deFrysk> memcmeme, close synaptic for now and do as I told please
[11:10] <memcmeme> ok
[11:10] <deFrysk> add the marrilat line with gedit
[11:11] <deFrysk> memcmeme,  then save and close gedit
[11:11] <deFrysk> memcmeme, apt-get update
[11:11] <memcmeme> got it
[11:11] <deFrysk> as sudo of course
[11:12] <flawd> tanek_, no cd when install?
[11:12] <deFrysk> tham sudo apt-get install <blah>
[11:12] <deFrysk> then
[11:12] <tanek_> flawd: w00t?
[11:12] <flawd> tanek_, does cedega complain about no cd at install or running game?
[11:12] <tanek_> running game
[11:12] <memcmeme> thank god
[11:12] <flawd> tanek_, I guess a no-cd crack would work
[11:12] <tanek_> not when i want to go on battle.net
[11:13] <flawd> but backup the original exe
[11:13] <flawd> ok
[11:13] <flawd> how annoying
[11:13] <deFrysk> memcmeme, </end-godmode>
[11:13] <tanek_> very
[11:13] <DyGyTyL> what flag(s) do you use when you run warcraft with cedega?
[11:13] <flawd> good luck
[11:13] <tanek_> DyGyTyL: none
[11:13] <memcmeme> it worked
[11:13] <memcmeme> this is a good codec
[11:14] <flawd> throw in a -monitor-cd-eject or whatever for the sake of it lol
[11:14] <dizzie> Whats new in array-7 Worth upgrading? o_O
[11:14] <deFrysk> memcmeme, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html
[11:14] <NeO[Stage] > does so can tell me where to ask a question about GNU time ?
[11:16] <DM_Rado> when onstalling the base system, i get a debootstrap error 'Couldn't retrieve iproute' what is going on?
[11:17] <memcmeme> nice
[11:18] <edulix> when I suspend my laptop, after I restart it, only see a lot of vertical bars, and a small square of vertical bars that I can move with my mouse
[11:18] <edulix> it's an inspiron BTW
[11:19] <edulix> ah and hibernate works nicely
[11:19] <flawd> tried to install kernel-image-2.6-k7 but it says it is not installable
[11:21] <NealZheimer> if someody have an clue about why this ( http://authors.aspalliance.com/aylar/ViewPasteCode.aspx?PasteCodeID=3980 ) doesn't give the wanted result, I'll be thankfull
[11:22] <flawd> why can i not install it?
[11:22] <kent> NealZheimer, it does not work for me either. the manual says "time -f" should work, but it does not. Time sees it as a program to run :(
[11:22] <NealZheimer> arf
[11:23] <NealZheimer> it's too bad...
[11:23] <kent> NealZheimer, it seems that time  has a bug with arguments in Hoary. Every argument is treated as a program to run :(
[11:25] <kent> NealZheimer, i added a bug about it to bugzilla.
[11:25] <JustOneIt> Hi! ;)
[11:25] <NealZheimer> ok :)
[11:26] <JustOneIt> is it possible to reinstall mplayer from sources?
[11:26] <NealZheimer> so I'll have to parse the standard output by myself... :)
[11:27] <dwa_> what do you mean JustOneIt ?
[11:27] <odyssey> does anyone know if tables created in openoffice and saved to a microsoft word format are correctly displayed when opended in microsoft word?
[11:27] <edulix> hey it's softsusp2 what hoary uses ?
[11:27] <NealZheimer> odyssey : make one up and I'll tell you...
[11:28] <dwa_> JustOneIt : do you currently have a .deb installed?
[11:28] <memcmeme> this is so nice
[11:28] <dabi> What os should i pick in the install of webmin? Debian?
[11:29] <gabb> Is there a wiki or howto entry about switching from gnome to xfce ?
[11:29] <runedude> hi everyone. Just installed cpanel via the layer1 install, and I was wondering, what's next? I tried to login to port 2082, and it says somethings not found like /frontend/default/index.html
[11:29] <runedude> and dabi yes, debian as a choice for the webmin install works for me >:)
[11:29] <dabi> runedude: ver?
[11:30] <runedude> dabi: if you got the latest ubuntu, its the latest debian stuff too
[11:30] <runedude> 3.1 ?
[11:30] <runedude> or 3.0 ?
[11:30] <dabi> ok ty
[11:30] <JustOneIt> dwa_: dunno... :( i'm just a newbie in ubuntu
[11:30] <flawd> the gnome panel resources applet says 89% of memory is used with 58% cache. Can I somehow free that ram without rebooting or something
[11:31] <runedude> flawd: x takes alot of memory usage, so well, the only way to stop it, and x is /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[11:31] <dwa_> JustOneIt you can follow the howto on ubuntuforums.org
[11:31] <odyssey> NealZheimer, thanks, but i had better not risk it on this report im writing will experiment some other time
[11:31] <NealZheimer> as U wish
[11:32] <Dazed> How can I set up a dual boot with Ubuntu
[11:32] <flawd> runedude, well it got that eaten up when I installed packs with synaptic
[11:32] <runedude> Dazed: install the bootloader? hehe
[11:32] <dwa_> JustOneIt : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=9850&highlight=mplayer+howto
[11:32] <runedude> flawd: make sure all synaptic processes are out :: ps aux | grep synaptic
[11:33] <Dazed> Ive got xp installed now, and i have an empty 5 gig partition on another drive for ubuntu, but i want to be able to choose between operting systems at the startup
[11:33] <runedude> Dazed: you could do eh, your bios settings
[11:33] <dwa_> if you install ubuntu, it will automatically dual boot
[11:33] <Dazed> Eh this bios is shit
[11:33] <dwa_> just make sure not to delete your windows partition
[11:33] <Dazed> Are you sure it wont just take over and hold xp hostage?
[11:34] <flawd> no pid
[11:34] <dwa_> no Dazed
[11:34] <runedude> flawd: hm, try to do ps aux and see anything that is memory hogging
[11:34] <Dazed> k im gonna try it now
[11:34] <runedude> like 1+%
[11:34] <dwa_> and if it does, you can come back here and kick our asses :)
[11:34] <dwa_> 2 late :)
[11:35] <runedude> i wish it did take over xp stuff :P That'd teach them for using ms
[11:36] <dwa_> hehe
[11:36] <flawd> just small thingies taking like <5% each
[11:36] <membreya> anyone here running galeon?
[11:36] <dwa_> no, why?
[11:36] <dwa_> i thought galeon was already dead
[11:36] <membreya> no way
[11:37] <membreya> but mine keeps locking my PC ..at least I think it does, it seems to be the culprit
[11:37] <flawd> btw I installed k3b and konqueror and I had to install other kde thingies it depended on, now kjournald, khelper, kacpid, khubd etc etc is running. i dont need that running
[11:37] <runedude> yes
[11:37] <runedude> kill -9 those processes
[11:37] <runedude> if they dont stop, just restart x
[11:37] <flawd> runedude, yeah but how can I disable them from starting?
[11:37] <deFrysk> flawd, try graveman in stead of k3b
[11:37] <flawd> I just want them fired up whenever I use the kdeap that needs them
[11:38] <dwa_> or, if you've got a valid nero at home, try nerolinux
[11:38] <dwa_> haven't tried it yet
[11:38] <dwa_> is it any good?
[11:38] <deFrysk> dwa_, no way
[11:38] <flawd> yeah Ill just uninstall the kdecrap
[11:38] <flawd> bah
[11:38] <flawd> brb
[11:38] <deFrysk> its crap
[11:38] <dwa_> gtk 1 :)
[11:38] <dwa_> blegh..
[11:39] <deFrysk> dwa_, no re write
[11:39] <deFrysk> either
[11:39] <dwa_> i mean why the hell did they use gtk 1?
[11:39] <deFrysk> dwa_, its free
[11:39] <runedude> flawd: best thing to do, is to remove them or something I guess
[11:39] <dwa_> so is gtk 2
[11:39] <dwa_> gnome 2.* is using gtk 2.*
[11:39] <dwa_> and not 1
[11:39] <deFrysk> true
[11:40] <runedude> cya later guys
[11:40] <deFrysk> maybe they use debian stable ;)
[11:41] <dwa_> i've never seen graveman before
[11:41] <dwa_> looks promising
[11:41] <flawd> yeah I am about to runedude
[11:41] <deFrysk> dwa_, yup and qt free
[11:41] <thoreauputic> gtk1 is lgpl - so it's easier for commercial closed source apps
[11:42] <deFrysk> thoreauputic, i see
[11:42] <dwa_> ah OK
[11:42] <thoreauputic> flawd: be careful - some of those K's refer to the kernel
[11:42] <dwa_> kjournald is not kde related :)
[11:43] <flawd> yeah I noticed
[11:43] <flawd> klogd for instance
[11:43] <thoreauputic>  kacpid
[11:43] <thoreauputic> acpi daemon
[11:43] <flawd> nod
[11:44] <dwa_> i've tried the e17 cvs build yesterday
[11:44] <tirno> hi
[11:44] <dwa_> 1 word: WOW
[11:44] <dwa_> hi tirno
[11:44] <tirno> I'm on a laptop
[11:44] <dwa_> me 2
[11:44] <tirno> acer travelmate thingy
[11:44] <dwa_> compaq evo
[11:44] <tirno> I'm trying to configure the mouse
[11:44] <dwa_> the mouse or the touchpad?
[11:44] <flawd> btw anyone know how to try the xorg dropshadow thing?
[11:44] <tirno> both
[11:44] <tirno> touchpad really
[11:45] <dwa_> what's your problem then?
[11:45] <shmoolik> hello
[11:46] <tirno> There's almost nothing in computer->desktop prefernces -> mouse
[11:46] <kalis> what does: "E: console-data:  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[11:46] <kalis> " mean when i get it in synaptic? its a bit cryptic ;)
[11:46] <dwa_> flawd : you have to enable composite in your xorg.conf
[11:46] <tirno> In particular, I'd like to activate a middle button
[11:46] <dwa_> on your touchpad?
[11:46] <tirno> yep
[11:46] <flawd> ok
[11:46] <tirno> It has a left/button
[11:46] <dwa_> mm.. mine was enabled by default
[11:46] <shmoolik> does any one here knows were i can find w32codecs*.deb?
[11:47] <tirno> and a joystick thingy in the middle
[11:47] <gabb> No one in here changed from gnome to XFCE ?
[11:47] <tirno> I want one of the directions of the joystick thingy to act as middle button
[11:47] <dwa_> can't help you there
[11:47] <dwa_> i'm sorry
[11:48] <tirno> a bunch of things in my touchpad were activated by default. Like tap-to-click and the scrolling on the right-hand side of the touchpad
[11:48] <tirno> Do I have to find a driver
[11:48] <deFrysk> shmoolik,  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:48] <tirno> or is it already there, hidden somewhere?
[11:48] <dwa_> the driver is already installed
[11:48] <dwa_> a synaptic touchpad i think
[11:48] <tirno> yep
[11:48] <shmoolik> deFrysk,  checking it now thanks
[11:48] <dwa_> there is a config utility i think
[11:49] <dwa_> tirno : what happens if you press the right-hand corner of your touchpad?
[11:49] <dwa_> that's my middle mouse button
[11:49] <shmoolik> deFrysk,  yeah i gone though this page befor ... it didn't helped me much =\
[11:50] <runedude> hi, im back, got another question. when I try to su, it says invalid password, but I know this is the right password.. whats up? :|
[11:50] <tirno> it's my right button
[11:50] <dwa_> tirno : try this: apt-get install qsynaptics
[11:50] <deFrysk> shmoolik, add : deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat unstable main  to your sources.list
[11:50] <thoreauputic> shmoolik: if you ebable the repositories there, you will be able to get w32codecs
[11:50] <dwa_> i mean the upper right hand corner
[11:50] <tirno> couldn't find package
[11:51] <psik0> hello
[11:51] <tirno> aaaah!
[11:51] <tirno> upper-right corner is good
[11:51] <psik0> how i can get all back to warty without reinstalling ?
[11:51] <shmoolik> thoreauputic,  i have ebable the repositories as they sagested .....
[11:51] <gabb> Is there something wrong with sudo under Ubuntu? All the sudo-linked apps can't authenticate it seems. Saying wrong password, which is impossible.
[11:51] <tirno> but there must be a config file for this somewhere?
[11:52] <dwa_> probably
[11:52] <shmoolik> deFrysk,  i m afrade to add this source ....  r u sure it safe ?
[11:52] <runedude> anyone know why when I try to su, it says invalid password, but I know this is the right password.. whats up? :|
[11:52] <thoreauputic> psik0: with much breakage, cursing and probable lack of success
[11:52] <kalis> My apt error is due to the fact that console-data seems to be broken. Anyone else has that problem?
[11:52] <dwa_> tirno what apt repositories do you have enabled?
[11:53] <gabb> If you find the reason, tell me runedude. I'm on the same problem atm. :/
[11:53] <runedude> :| ok
[11:53] <thoreauputic> runedude: use sudo
[11:53] <runedude> thoreauputic: i want a root login tho
[11:53] <shmoolik> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingCodecsToTotemHowTo did some one tryed it ?
[11:53] <psik0> thoreauputic my sources.list file is only with warty, but i can get back my system from hoary
[11:53] <membreya> ello thoreauputic :)
[11:53] <thoreauputic> sudo -s
[11:53] <runedude> not just a program running as root
[11:53] <dwa_> tirno maybe you can try if ksynaptics is available to you
[11:54] <thoreauputic> membreya: hi ther :)
[11:54] <flawd> dwa_, ok xorg log now says composite is enabled. I still have no dtopshadow
[11:54] <runedude> br
[11:54] <runedude> b/
[11:54] <thoreauputic> hehe *there
[11:54] <dwa_> flawd you have to install xcompmgr
[11:54] <gabb> thoreauputic, sudo as well as su don't work here. Is this a known problem with a default install ?
[11:54] <dwa_> and transset
[11:54] <psik0> runedude you can login as root editing /etc/passwd
[11:54] <thoreauputic> gabb: sudo should work with your first user's password
[11:54] <psik0> opss
[11:55] <flawd> dwa_, xorg log also says glx doesnt work with composite. does this mean I wont be able to use opengl games and screensavers? glxgears doesnt work now
[11:55] <flawd> ok dwa
[11:55] <thoreauputic> psik0: that's not the right way to enable root
[11:55] <shmoolik> flawd,  try this page http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Xorg_X11_and_Tranparency#Enabling_shadows_and_real_transparency
[11:55] <dwa_> i'm not sure flawd haven't tried that yet
[11:55] <membreya> thoreauputic: I have to stop using galeon :'(((
[11:55] <dwa_> composite sucks on my laptop
[11:55] <gabb> Damn, you're right thoreauputic. This is weird .. ain't sudo expecting the root pw usually ?
[11:55] <flawd> ty
[11:55] <thoreauputic> gabb: of course not :)
[11:55] <gabb> Or is the first account automatically added to wheel/staff/adm ?
[11:55] <tirno> dwa_: nm, gotta go
[11:56] <psik0> thoreauputic what is ?
[11:56] <thoreauputic> gabb: no wheel group as such in linux
[11:56] <thoreauputic> psik0: sudo passwd root
[11:56] <gabb> Ah right, that's a bsd-only thing.
[11:56] <gabb> Nevermind them, I probably just confused systems. Thanks thoreauputic.
[11:56] <psik0> dont wanna be a sudoer ...
[11:56] <farruinn> gabb: in hoary the first user is added to the admin group with has sudo powers
[11:56] <thoreauputic> membreya: what 's the galeon problem?
[11:56] <membreya> thoreauputic: It's causing hard locks of my system :(
[11:57] <gabb> That's what I meant farruinn - just bad wording on my end.
[11:57] <psik0> thoreauputic but that enables root really?
[11:57] <thoreauputic> psik0: you werne't paying attention - I just told you how to create a root account
[11:57] <psik0> ok
[11:57] <farruinn> gabb: just fyi, warty doesn't do it that way
[11:58] <flawd> ok i have dropshadow effect working which is cool to have tried, but boy is it slow on my geforce 4 mx 440 lol
[11:58] <flawd> not usable
[11:58] <thoreauputic> psik0: but in fact it's completely pointless, since you can get a root shell any time by typing sudo -s
[11:58] <gabb> Well, realizing that hoarty has no xfce4.2 backports I should have chosen warty I guess farruinn.
[11:58] <psik0> ok
[11:58] <dwa_> flawd : welcome to my world :)
[11:59] <flawd> heh
[11:59] <psik0> dont you have problems with hoary ?
[11:59] <dwa_> it's slow as hell on my ati 9000
[11:59] <psik0> i have no sound since i updated
[11:59] <farruinn> dwa_: what are you complaining about, I have a rage 128 ;)
[11:59] <dwa_> hehe :)
[11:59] <thoreauputic> membreya: it's only a galeon thing?
[12:00] <dwa_> i've got a radeon 9500 in my desktop pc and it's slow there too
[12:00] <dwa_> but hey, ati sucks ass in linux
[12:01] <membreya> membreya: yup, either running it in the background or using it directly...it's either that or imwheel ...gotta reboot to full test, but I don't get any locks using firefox (as much as I hate it!)
[12:01] <membreya> brb will reboot to test the imwheel theory
[12:01] <dwa_> why do you hate firefox membreya ?
[12:01] <membreya> dwa_: cos it has nothing on galeon :)
[12:01] <Quinn_Storm> btw what's imwheel?
[12:01] <membreya> Quinn_Storm: imwheel allows me to use the buttons on the side of my mouse
[12:02] <membreya> (for forward and back when browsing)
[12:02] <Quinn_Storm> membreya: I see, cool...I want to get one of the original intellimouse explorers before they shrunk them...I liked those, nice big hefty mice, heh
[12:02] <flawd> I tried to send an email to ATI to ask them to make better drivers but they did not provide any easy way to contact them on their site
[12:02] <dwa_> lol @ flawd
[12:02] <flawd> I did however write to intel and asked them to support the FSF freebios thing
[12:02] <flawd> dwa_, what?
[12:03] <dwa_> your mail to ati: it's pointless
[12:03] <dwa_> the linux community is begging for better drivers for years now
[12:03] <flawd> dwa_, of course one email is pointless
[12:03] <crschmid1> Every 6 hours, my hoary machine gives up its DHCP lease and gets a new one, with a different IP.
[12:03] <flawd> dwa_, the sum of all pointless emails makes a point
[12:03] <JeanJean> does anyone now wich is the fastest linux: gentoo or hoary ?
[12:03] <crschmid1> I have /etc/newtork/interfaces set to be static
[12:03] <crschmid1> JeanJean: gentoo sucks, regardless of whether it's faster
[12:04] <dwa_> gentoo doesn't suck
[12:04] <thoreauputic> JeanJean: Vector Linux :P
[12:04] <dwa_> it's great
[12:04] <JeanJean> i'm sickof compiling things
[12:04] <gabb> Is the xorg dropshadow that power/cpu-consuming? I have a FireGL T2 in my laptop, would it suffice?
[12:04] <Myrtti> JeanJean: gentoo is faster, but only because of that constat compiling
[12:04] <crschmid1> dwa_: "Gentoo sucks" is obviously a personal opinion. After using it for 18 months, it is my personal opinion that it does suck.
[12:04] <Quinn_Storm> gabb: it depends more on what the drivers for the card are like
[12:04] <Myrtti> sure it's configured to fit your needs
[12:04] <Myrtti> but configuring is hard
[12:04] <flawd> dwa_, I think that as a part of the linux community, any linux user can contribute by sending such emails. They don't care about one email but if everyone does it they will care
[12:05] <dwa_> i hope so flawd
[12:05] <Quinn_Storm> flawd: yep, thats the power of an unruly mob, hehe ^-^
[12:05] <dwa_> i agree crschmid1 : personally i think gentoo is great
[12:05] <flawd> intel said they would pass it on for review but they never gave a reply other than that heh
[12:05] <dwa_> i learned a lot about linux using gentoo
[12:05] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: I saw a test done in Australia where a gentoo guru and a slack guru both set up identical boxen - guess what was faster?
[12:05] <flawd> i dont care for a response I just made my point
[12:05] <Myrtti> thoreauputic: prolly slack
[12:05] <flawd> another linux user who sent it in
[12:05] <Myrtti> since you're asking
[12:05] <flawd> all I can do and I did it
[12:06] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: you guessed correctly :)
[12:06] <dwa_> :)
[12:06] <Myrtti> I'm a genious, I knew that :->
[12:06] <crschmid1> Anyway.
[12:06] <flawd> Quinn_Storm, heh. yeah *hands out the hayforks*
[12:06] <shmoolik> okay i must say that this guide  done the job of the codecs problem with out adding unstable debz ( "http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingCodecsToTotemHowTo" )
[12:06] <johnnybezak> thank crap firefox has an update
[12:06] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: so did we all ;-)
[12:06] <johnnybezak> last version was unstable alicious
[12:06] <Quinn_Storm> I haven't exactly had speed problems on my (k)ubuntu install so
[12:06] <flawd> (is that an english word? hayfork? tried a direct translation)
[12:06] <crschmid1> Why does my machine release its IP every 6 hours and fetch a new one, even though it's set to be static?
[12:06] <Quinn_Storm> I think you want pitchfork
[12:06] <Quinn_Storm> but I get what you mean
[12:06] <flawd> good enough
[12:07] <JeanJean> thoreaupu: what about vector vs ubuntu ?
[12:07] <thoreauputic> crschmid1: talk to your ISP
[12:07] <dwa_> count me in flawd
[12:07] <thoreauputic> JeanJean: don't know
[12:07] <kalis> Oooh! Im so happy, they are buying pizza for everybody at work today ;)
[12:07] <thoreauputic> JeanJean: does it really matter so much?
[12:07] <kqj> crschmid1, why you run dhcp if it's static ? stop it ? (if it's a daemon like suse, i don't have a ubuntu installed right now)
[12:08] <JeanJean> I just want i new system
[12:08] <flawd> yay kalis
[12:08] <JeanJean> stable and fast OS
[12:08] <dwa_> kalis ...
[12:08] <kqj> i eat pizza every day ...
[12:08] <Myrtti> Quinn_Storm: _o/ \o_
[12:08] <thoreauputic> JeanJean: the differences are minuscule and insignificant
[12:08] <flawd> Quinn_Storm, heh. you could grow a sexy beard to summer
[12:08] <JeanJean> and not to compiling stuff
[12:08] <Myrtti> me too
[12:08] <topyli> kalis: probably means you'll all be sacked this afternoon :)
[12:08] <JeanJean> ok thx
[12:08] <kqj> no other kind of food-seller near my workplace :(
[12:08] <thoreauputic> JeanJean: if you want fast, use lean and mean apps
[12:08] <crschmid1> thoreauputic: The lease is coming from the router, which sends 7 day leases, and the other debian box behind the router doesn't have the same problem.
[12:09] <flawd> topyli, hah
[12:09] <flawd> wb membreya
[12:09] <crschmid1> thoreauputic: besides which, if /etc/network/interfaces is set to be static, why the hell is it asking for a DHCP lease anyway?
[12:09] <topyli> pessimism rules
[12:09] <thoreauputic> crschmid1: I see
[12:09] <rizla> hello folks
[12:09] <rizla> anybody can help me?
[12:09] <flawd> I want one of those dispair calendars
[12:09] <kalis> topyli, yeah probably ;) we are going on a holliday cruise also this weekend ;) so i think we are pretty safe
[12:09] <motuline> why ubuntu freezes when I run 3d apps..
[12:09] <crschmid1> kqj: There's nothing running in ps -AH that says dhcp
[12:09] <flawd> rizla, state the problem please
[12:10] <motuline> I can run them about 10minutes and then my computer freezes
[12:10] <topyli> kalis: sounds pretty bad ;)
[12:10] <crschmid1> ah, dhclient
[12:10] <rizla> i have a .ppt file, it's 71 pagg long..
[12:10] <kalis> topyli, hehe!
[12:10] <kqj> crschmid1, wait, i boot my test machine with ubuntu (mine is hoary,  yours ?)
[12:10] <crschmid1> kqj: got it
[12:10] <rizla> i'd like to print 3-4 pagg per pag
[12:10] <crschmid1> kqj: good thought, no idea why I didn't think of that before
[12:10] <rizla> (im sorry for my english..
[12:10] <rizla> I hope you understand me..
[12:11] <flawd> rizla, you want 3-4 copies of the total 71 page document?
[12:11] <dwa_> rizla no problem, we've got a lot of non-natives here
[12:11] <Quinn_Storm> no, rizla wants to print 3-4 pages of the document per physical page
[12:11] <flawd> non-natives heh
[12:11] <dwa_> :)
[12:11] <rizla> Quinn_Storm,  You're right
[12:11] <flawd> scaled down so 3-4 pages fits on one printed out page?
[12:12] <Quinn_Storm> exactly
[12:12] <rizla> yes
[12:12] <flawd> oh
[12:12] <kqj> rizla, print passing trough kdeprint (if you're using cups), it shows you all the options in a nice gui
[12:12] <crschmidt> alright. hopefully that will fix the issues.
[12:12] <rizla> i use gnome. is it the same?
[12:12] <kqj> install kdeprint, it worked for me
[12:13] <dwa_> why don't you use epiphany crschmidt ?
[12:13] <rizla> ok, i'll try. tanx a lot
[12:13] <xiglet> what is the difference between ubuntu hoary array-7 and hoary preview?
[12:13] <kqj> the in the "print command" of your apps set kdeprint (basically this is the idea, it will nedd some tweaking)
[12:14] <thoreauputic> xiglet: array 7 is the more recent
[12:14] <rizla> ok. thank you kgj
[12:15] <crschmidt> dwa_: wtf is epiphany?
[12:15] <thoreauputic> epiphany-browser ?
[12:15] <johnnybezak> the gnome browser
[12:15] <crschmidt> Does it have support for Firefox extensions?
[12:15] <dwa_> it's based on firefox
[12:15] <dwa_> but with better gnome integration
[12:16] <crschmidt> You didn't answer my questoin :)
[12:16] <Quinn_Storm> no it doesn't
[12:16] <crschmidt> THe last time I tried epiphany, it didn't support extensions.
[12:16] <Quinn_Storm> it still doesn't
[12:16] <thoreauputic> dwa_: it's less configurable than firefox, though
[12:16] <dwa_> yes
[12:16] <crschmidt> Since I have 3 I wrote myself and a dozen others I use daily, I have no desire for firefox
[12:16] <crschmidt> er,
[12:16] <crschmidt> epiphany
[12:16] <crschmidt> Plus, why would I switch from Firefox anyway?
[12:16] <crschmidt> And I don't use gnome.
[12:16] <kqj> mh, so it's based on firefox, with better gnome integration and no firefox integration ! ;)
[12:17] <thoreauputic> dwa_: i think you have your answer... ;-)
[12:17] <dwa_> hehe :)
[12:17] <dwa_> so why are you using galeon then?
[12:17] <crschmidt> ... I'm not?
[12:17] <crschmidt> I think you got me confused with someone else or something.
[12:17] <thoreauputic> dwa_: cut it out :)
[12:17] <johnnybezak> i used epiphany recently cos firefox was being a prick
[12:17] <crschmidt> I use Firefox in evilwm
[12:17] <DyGyTyL> omfg
[12:18] <thoreauputic> dwa_: membreya was using galeon
[12:18] <DyGyTyL> you use evilwm?! i didn't know there were others out there :D
[12:18] <crschmidt> DyGyTyL: yep
[12:18] <dwa_> oooooh sorry crschmidt
[12:18] <DyGyTyL> you rock:P
[12:18] <crschmidt> DyGyTyL: my ex roomate introduced me to it
[12:18] <crschmidt> DyGyTyL: he wrote the window snapping code for it
[12:18] <DyGyTyL> wow, sweet..i've been using that for eons as far back as i can remember
[12:19] <thoreauputic> membreya: wb :)
[12:19] <membreya> sorry guys, had to figure out my imwheelrc file to work with firefox :)
[12:20] <flawd> why is the gnome notes always ontop of the other windows?
[12:20] <membreya> and it appears...galeon is the culprit :(
[12:20] <membreya> danke thoreauputic :)
[12:20] <topyli> am i dreaming or is hoary gnome becoming more unstable? gnome-terminal and evolution at least are crashing more than appropriate
[12:20] <crschmidt> or even a second button
[12:20] <membreya> with galeon, it tended to be when I clicked a link or scrolled down :|
[12:20] <crschmidt> just one giant clear button
[12:20] <thoreauputic> membreya: pas de quoi, monsieur
[12:21] <crschmidt> (my normal wireless mouse batteries died, so I'm using the optical apple mouse i nabbed from my mac mini)
[12:21] <topyli> flawd: in 2.10 that's what they do
[12:21] <flawd> topyli, that sucks
[12:21] <membreya> you called me WHAT thoreauputic ?!
[12:22] <topyli> flawd: i guess, if you don't want it that way :)
[12:22] <farruinn> crschmidt: you know that f12 and f11 are mapped to buttons 2 and 3, right?
[12:22] <thoreauputic> membreya: hehe - babelfish  <<
[12:22] <flawd> I think generally 2.10 is worse than earlier versions this far
[12:22] <membreya> thoreauputic: babelfish = "not what"
[12:22] <membreya> flawd: no problems here
[12:23] <flawd> topyli, I want the option to have them eithr on top or not, not that someone decides that its best that the eventual notes I want shall always cover my current application so I can not see some important thing on it
[12:23] <crschmidt> farruinn: they don't seem to be in gnome-terminal
[12:23] <thoreauputic> membreya: it's a french way of saying "think nothing of it" when thanked ( danke in german, yes?)
[12:24] <Lightboy> hey is there a way of updating my kernel just using apt?
[12:24] <Myrtti> yes
[12:24] <Lightboy> how?
[12:24] <topyli> flawd: they probably think you want to hide them or show them. that's why there's an extra item in the notes applet menu
[12:24] <membreya> thoreauputic: yes indeed :)
[12:24] <thoreauputic> Lightboy: apt-cache search linux-image
[12:25] <thoreauputic> Lightboy: choose one for your cpu type
[12:25] <topyli> flawd: or they want everyone to migrate to tomboy :)
[12:25] <flawd> topyli, umm what extra menuitem? there is no "Hide notes" or something here
[12:26] <membreya> omg thoreauputic ..I've FINALLY found a etymological answer to the phrase mollydooker!
[12:26] <shmoolik> okay i get this error when i aptget update GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[12:26] <shmoolik> should i b worryed?
[12:26] <dwa_> no shmoolik
[12:26] <thoreauputic> membreya: do tell :)
[12:26] <topyli> flawd: left click the applet. there's "new note" and "hide/show"
[12:26] <dwa_> it's OK
[12:26] <flawd> ah
[12:26] <dwa_> but you can get rid of it
[12:26] <shmoolik> dwa_,  okay thanks
[12:26] <Lightboy> thoreauputic: will this download a whole image
[12:26] <shmoolik> how can i rid of it ?
[12:27] <flawd> leftclicking
[12:27] <flawd> :)
[12:27] <topyli> heh
[12:27] <gabb> Is there a way to make apt ignore the missing public key for the os-works.com site (XFCE4.2) ?
[12:27] <topyli> ancient craft
[12:27] <Lightboy> coz i hav just put on hoary hedge hog like 2 days ago
[12:27] <flawd> leftclicking menues always feels odd to me
[12:27] <dwa_> shmoolik : http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary
[12:27] <thoreauputic> Lightboy: when you apt-get the appropriate one, it will install a new kernel for you
[12:27] <flawd> for applets and things
[12:27] <Lightboy> righto
[12:28] <topyli> flawd: speaking of tomboy, installing it will take 41.9 M of disk space on my box. hmm.
[12:28] <shmoolik> dwa_,  thanks
[12:28] <membreya> http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-mol2.htm <-- next time someone calls me mollydooker, I'm going to smack them one
[12:28] <spacey> anyone with amd64 here?
[12:28] <membreya> spacey: yup
[12:28] <flawd> topyli, never heard of it
[12:28] <flawd> is it a notes app on steroids?
[12:28] <topyli> flawd: yeah, wiki steroids
[12:28] <spacey> is it correct that the openoffice.org2 packages are broken?
[12:28] <thoreauputic> membreya: looking now
[12:28] <spacey> for amd64
[12:28] <membreya> yep spacey
[12:28] <flawd> topyli, need to check it out
[12:29] <topyli> flawd: jdub called it the "ultimate sticky wiki" :)
[12:29] <membreya> it won't let you install the -core for OO.o2
[12:29] <topyli> never was very stable here
[12:29] <spacey> also tomboy isn't available for amd64 it seems
[12:29] <flawd> for 40 megs it has to ROCK
[12:29] <flawd> or i'll sue heh
[12:29] <Lightboy> so do i just go apt-get linux-image-2.6.11-1-amd64-generic
[12:29] <spacey> membreya, yeah
[12:29] <topyli> spacey: might be a mono problem
[12:29] <topyli> more generally
[12:30] <spacey> topyli, ah yes, mono didn't work for amd64 i remember
[12:30] <spacey> someone said that
[12:30] <membreya> Lightboy: get amd64-k8
[12:30] <flawd> oh well bbl. have a nice day all
[12:30] <membreya> cya flawd :)
[12:30] <dwa_> ciao flawd-afk
[12:30] <Lightboy> so not generic then
[12:31] <thoreauputic> membreya: haha - a bit homphobic, are we ;-)
[12:31] <thoreauputic> *homophobic
[12:31] <thoreauputic> re: mollydooker
[12:32] <Lightboy> membreya: i get the following error when i type in apt-get linux-image-2.6.11-1-amd68-k8
[12:32] <topyli> flawd-afk: tomboy is probably 100K but you need mono which is big
[12:32] <Lightboy> e:invalid operation linux-image02.6.11-1-amd64-k8
[12:32] <thoreauputic> Lightboy: apt-get install *
[12:32] <kqj> apt-get install ?
[12:33] <thoreauputic> Lightboy: and amd68 ??
[12:33] <membreya> you lookin at me funny thoreauputic ?! >:(
[12:33] <thoreauputic> Lightboy: I assume it's atypo
[12:33] <scandium> does anybody know if bittorrent downloads bit by bit or what it can get? e.g. can I start a download with bittorrent and finish it with wget?
[12:33] <Lightboy> yeah
[12:33] <membreya> thoreauputic: I work at a call centre.... :|
[12:33] <membreya> scandium: it gets what it can
[12:33] <thoreauputic> *grin*
[12:33] <scandium> trying to download array7 via bt but it's awfully slow :)
[12:33] <membreya> you can tell it to get the first bits first IF it can
[12:34] <kresten> Hi there! I can't apply iconschemes downloaded from gnome-look.org... Can anybody help me?
[12:34] <Lightboy> cheer
[12:34] <ermo> my nautilus has started 'hanging' as soon as it touches my $home (nfs) it just starts allocating memory
[12:34] <Lightboy> s
[12:34] <StoffBox-Steve> someone here i have a prob with a USB harddrive
[12:34] <thoreauputic> kresten: dump them in ~/.icons
[12:35] <flawd-afk> topyli, launching tomboy the cursor is just blinking for 2 min then it exits saying "all done ciao!" and nothing appears in the notification area
[12:35] <flawd-afk> great app *sarcasm*
[12:35] <StoffBox-Steve> i see the harddrive, and can access the data but i cant write new stuff od the disk :( someone an idea why ?
[12:35] <flawd-afk> well worth the 40 megs :)
[12:35] <topyli> flawd-afk: it's an applet
[12:35] <kqj> StoffBox-Steve, maybe is mounted readonly
[12:36] <flawd-afk> topyli, man tomboy said launching tomboy with no options would put it in notification area
[12:36] <thoreauputic> hmm s/nonchalent/nonchalant
[12:36] <Guest> hi
[12:36] <StoffBox-Steve> is was auotmatic mouten ... who to i change that kqj ?
[12:36] <sakarya> hi all..
[12:36] <topyli> flawd-afk: ah. well, i just load the applet and it sits there
[12:36] <topyli> as long as it doesn't crash
 ... I don't know ;P I never let stuff automounts itself...
[12:37] <kqj> try unmount and manually mount it
[12:37] <flawd-afk> topyli, well, perhaps a restart of gnome will let me add it to panel
[12:37] <topyli> flawd-afk: just kill the panel and let it respawn
[12:37] <ermo> would anyone know why (or help me find out) why my nautilus has suddenly gone berserk, gobbing up tons of VM while being utterly unresponsive?
[12:37] <flawd-afk> wtf am I doing? I need to do real life stuff
[12:37] <flawd-afk> bbl lol
[12:37] <virtuald> how do i restart polypaudio after it crashed without restarting gnome?
 cat /etc/mtab to see how is mounted
[12:38] <Rattboi> aoss polypaudio ?
[12:38] <Rattboi> depends on how you're doing stuff
[12:38] <Rattboi> could just be "polypaudio" at terminal will work
[12:38] <crimsun> polypaudio has alsa sources and sinks
[12:38] <crimsun> it's futile to wrap the daemon with aoss
[12:39] <StoffBox-Steve> usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw) << @ hqj is that the usbdrive ... i access it over media:/sda1
[12:40] <virtuald> Rattboi: will it works but it insists on running in the foreground
[12:40] <crimsun> virtuald: that was a change adopted fairly recently before polypaudio was reverted to esd for the release
[12:40] <virtuald> ok
[12:41] <chickenman> hey every one
[12:41] <crimsun> virtuald: it should be enough to open a terminal emulator and execute ,,polypaudio'' in it
[12:41] <virtuald> mkay
[12:42] <thoreauputic> heh - the man himself just paid a visit to #kubuntu :)
[12:42] <thoreauputic> a quick one, to be sure...
[12:44] <keffo> hm, gnome uses 'metacity' as standard rigth?
[12:44] <keffo> is there any good app for adding those themes
[12:44] <keffo> or most likley good to use the 'theme' in system-tag
[12:44] <keffo> tab
[12:44] <StoffBox-Steve> ok how to mount the usb drive with wirte access ?
[12:44] <Myrtti> wirte?
[12:44] <thoreauputic> keffo: you can just drag and drop themes onto the theme dialogue
[12:45] <keffo> okok
[12:45] <keffo> thats good to hear
[12:45] <keffo> but whats the main difference between metacity and GTK?
[12:45] <keffo> currently im surinf at www.gnome-look.org
[12:45] <thoreauputic> keffo: it *usually* works ;-)
[12:45] <keffo> ;P
[12:45] <keffo> brb, poop
[12:46] <shmoolik> does some one knows if there is any package for adobe acrobat 7 ?
[12:46] <Myrtti> shmoolik: why do you need especially Adobe Acrobat?
[12:46] <Myrtti> cause there really is not that much need for it
[12:47] <crimsun> shmoolik: yes, there exists acroread, but I highly recommend evince as an alternative.
[12:47] <shmoolik> Myrtti,  yeah i tryed the othere pdf reads... and they not as good as
[12:47] <chickenman> acrobat = slow and rubbish
[12:48] <shmoolik> yeah i really liked evince but it allways get stuck on my machine i don't know y  =\
[12:48] <kaouete> hi
[12:48] <thoreauputic> chickenman: that was my experience with acroread too - the new one may be quicker I believe
[12:49] <kaouete> when installing a hoary, what package is crating the xorg.conf ? xserver-xorg ? (i want to be sure :)
[12:49] <shmoolik> thoreauputic,  yeah it is!!!
[12:49] <chickenman> acroread is great :)
[12:49] <membreya> well ..system just locked with firefox as well :\ ..going to try not using squid :| ...this is annoying it's not a hard lock per se..but once it freezes, it takes about 2 minutes to draw one line from irc
[12:50] <thoreauputic> shmoolik: the old one used to go to 100% cpu and slow my box to a crawl, so I ditched it (this is a couple of years ago though)
[12:50] <StoffBox-Steve> how to i change the access mode of mount drive ?
[12:50] <keffo> thoreauputic, check www.gnome-look.org, whats the difference between metacity and gtk1/2 ?
[12:50] <keffo> whats best to use. mh
[12:50] <keffo> i dunno?
[12:50] <keffo> ;P
[12:50] <thoreauputic> keffo: metacity is the window manager
[12:50] <thoreauputic> keffo: gtk is the widget set
[12:51] <shmoolik> thoreauputic,  i m sorry for ya man =\ but that is the case with me when i m trying to lunch evince
[12:51] <thoreauputic> metacity themes are for window frames etc
[12:51] <no0tic> hi membreya
[12:52] <membreya> nope, still got a lockup :|
[12:52] <membreya> hi no0tic :)
[12:52] <membreya> how goes the k7?
[12:52] <shmoolik> thoreauputic,  i read about it an finly i thought that i have found the altimant PDF reader ther is =\
[12:52] <no0tic> membreya: I filed a bug for the scaling problem
[12:52] <shmoolik> i still do .... but not  on my machine
[12:52] <no0tic> membreya: and someone else added the same problem for k8 arch
[12:52] <UglyP> Hello ladies and gents. I have a quick question here, regarding apt-get and the synaptic package manager. I have glib 2.4.7 installed, and currently there is no update available in the repository. When ever i run the config it finishes, but it dosen't update my glib, as its still recognised as 2.4.7. Does anyone know anything about this and how I can get around? Any help would be appreciated! :D
[12:52] <no0tic> membreya: there's a work-around though
[12:54] <thoreauputic> UglyP: you have some special need for glib newer than 2.4.7 ?
[12:54] <crimsun> I'm not sure I understand what UglyP is asking.
[12:54] <UglyP> (Im a newbie so bear with me!) I want to run gdesklets, but apparently I have to upgrade a whole lot of libraries to run the newest version :(
[12:55] <membreya> gah
[12:55] <crimsun> UglyP: try the Array-7 Hoary milestone
[12:55] <membreya> i keep locking up going to a particular site
[12:55] <UglyP> whats that? (sorry but ive only been using linux a few days)
[12:55] <crimsun> UglyP: Hoary is the next stable release of Ubuntu - out in a few weeks
[12:55] <thoreauputic> but then, I like fluxbox so...
[12:55] <kaouete> hehe
[12:56] <crimsun> enjoying 0.9.11?
[12:56] <UglyP> Can I upgrade to that using APT?
[12:56] <Chipzz> UglyP: are you trying to compile gdesklets?
[12:56] <thoreauputic> crimsun: I have 0.9.12 :)
[12:56] <crimsun> UglyP: absolutely :)
[12:56] <crimsun> thoreauputic: heh, it's not even packaged for Sid yet
[12:56] <kaouete> Chipzz: why dont you just do apt-get install gdeskelts ?
[12:56] <crimsun> rather, not in pool
[12:56] <Chipzz> kaouete: I'm not trying to install gdesklets
[12:56] <thoreauputic> crimsun: I compiled it and did a deb with checkinstall :)
[12:57] <UglyP> yeah..and failing miserably.
[12:57] <Chipzz> kaouete: UglyP is
[12:57] <kaouete> Chipzz: right :)
[12:57] <kaouete> forget me ^^
[12:57] <crimsun> thoreauputic: uupdate(1) would have been better =)
[12:57] <UglyP> kaouete: I have done that, but gdesklets wouldnt run!
[12:57] <kaouete> UglyP: why dont you just install gdesklets with apt ?
[12:57] <UglyP> see above :D
[12:57] <kaouete> hhhm, how can it be possible ?
[12:57] <thoreauputic> crimsun: uupdate(1) ?
[12:58] <crimsun> thoreauputic: yes, part of the 'devscripts' package.
[12:58] <thoreauputic> ah !
[12:59] <Elsidox> is there a way to edit the menus in gnome?
[12:59] <crimsun> Elsidox: in Warty, yes. in Hoary, no, not currently.
[01:00] <Elsidox> crimsun, damnit. Whys that? =)
[01:00] <crimsun> Elsidox: various upstream decisions
[01:00] <thoreauputic> crimsun: devscripts looks a bit intimidating for a non-programmer ;)
[01:00] <crimsun> thoreauputic: well, use whatever works for you, of course :-)
[01:00] <memcmeme> how do you run a binary shell script?
[01:00] <thoreauputic> crimsun: :)
[01:01] <memcmeme> ut2004-lnx-demo3334.run
[01:01] <memcmeme> that is the file name
[01:01] <Elsidox> crimsun, I dont know what you mean by upstream decisions but thanks for your time. :)
[01:01] <crimsun> memcmeme: sh ut2004-lnx-demo3334.run
[01:01] <memcmeme> thanks
[01:01] <thoreauputic> Elsidox: it's out of their hands - gnome decisions I guess
[01:01] <crimsun> Elsidox: developers decided that the functionality was worth removing
[01:02] <membreya> ok this is driving me crazy!
[01:02] <thoreauputic> crimsun: wish I'd been a fly on the wall at *that* meeting :/
[01:03] <memcmeme> this is screwed up
[01:03] <thoreauputic> membreya: any bug reports for galeon on amd64?
[01:03] <memcmeme> it says no such file or directory
[01:04] <memcmeme> and I am looking at the bugger on my desktop
[01:04] <membreya> thoreauputic: it seems to be both firefox and galeon freezing...stopping squid makes no difference
[01:04] <thoreauputic> memcmeme: try sh <nameoffile>
[01:04] <memcmeme> thats what I have been doing
[01:04] <thoreauputic> memcmeme: from the directory
[01:04] <membreya> the only thing I can find is that after 3 or 4 of these freezes, my harddrive runs incredibly slow until it gets back into gdm (ie grub takes about 5 seconds to even load the menu)
[01:04] <thoreauputic> cd Desktop ?
[01:05] <thoreauputic> memcmeme: ^^
[01:05] <ermo> crimsun, come again: menu-editing was *removed*?
[01:05] <memcmeme> it won't let me cd /desktop
[01:05] <membreya> thoreauputic: I have top running in the background now to see if anything is stealing the CPU
[01:05] <thoreauputic> memcmeme: capital D
[01:05] <memcmeme> /home/kevin # cd /desktop
[01:05] <memcmeme> bash: cd: /desktop: No such file or directory
[01:05] <memcmeme> root@T1000:/home/kevin #
[01:05] <crimsun> ermo: Hoary.
[01:05] <membreya> memcmeme: it's cd Desktop ...case sensitive
[01:05] <membreya> needs to be a capital D
[01:05] <thoreauputic> memcmeme: *nix is case sensitive
[01:06] <memcmeme> no good
[01:06] <ermo> crimsun, ... but ... huh?!? (I'm on hoary atm)
[01:06] <memcmeme> still says no such file or directory
[01:06] <chickenman> cd /root/Desktop ?
[01:06] <Myrtti> ls -la
[01:06] <thoreauputic> memcmeme: what does pwd say ?
[01:06] <crimsun> ermo: I'm referring to applications:///
[01:06] <thoreauputic> memcmeme: type  pwd
[01:06] <membreya> memcmeme: ...if you can't even use cd, I think you're going to get lost very quickly
[01:06] <thoreauputic> and tell us the output
[01:07] <thoreauputic> membreya: he's absolutely new
[01:07] <memcmeme> I am using the bloody thing
[01:07] <memcmeme> I navigated from /
[01:07] <memcmeme> to home
[01:07] <ermo> crimsun, so, I won't be able to customize my menu anymore?
[01:07] <StoffBox-Steve> ok guys plz help .... i have a USb-drive on /media/sdb1 - /dev/sdb1/ .... but i can only read it... how to i change the access so i can write data to the usb drive ?
[01:07] <memcmeme> then from home it wotn let me enter anything else
[01:07] <memcmeme> ls shows that it exists
[01:07] <ermo> crimsun, or is there another way?
[01:07] <memcmeme> but the damn thing says it does't when I type cd /Desktop
[01:07] <ermo> crimsun, (hope you don't mind me asking)
[01:07] <membreya> memcmeme: no / on the Desktop
[01:08] <crimsun> ermo: you can use .desktop files
[01:08] <membreya> from the home directory it's just cd Desktop
[01:08] <thoreauputic> memcmeme: cd /home/username
[01:08] <thoreauputic> memcmeme: /home belongs to root
[01:08] <memcmeme> ok that worked
[01:08] <memcmeme> why no / for desktop?
[01:08] <thoreauputic> memcmeme: you want *your* home dir
[01:09] <UglyP> what are your thoughts on hoary? is it worth upgrading to before it becomes a stable release?
[01:09] <membreya> memcmeme: because /Desktop would imply that it's in the root filesystem
[01:09] <crimsun> UglyP: in my experience, yes
[01:09] <memcmeme> oh ok
[01:09] <thoreauputic> memcmeme: when you are in the dir , you just type the name of the dir
[01:09] <chickenman> cd /    then cd /home/Desktop
[01:09] <Myrtti> UglyP: quite usable at this stage already
[01:09] <UglyP> im about to take the plunge, just doing some research first!
[01:09] <Myrtti> chickenman: whhaaaa
[01:09] <chickenman> :|
[01:09] <ermo> crimsun, ah ok. Now it makes sense.
[01:09] <memcmeme> thank you :)
[01:10] <thoreauputic> memcmeme: in your home dir,  /Desktop would be a subdirectory
[01:10] <Myrtti> thoreauputic: Desktop/
[01:10] <memcmeme> ok
[01:10] <mjt> ./Desktop ;)
[01:10] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: oops - yes
[01:10] <StoffBox-Steve> noone can help me ? ... arg the guys behind me ... there kill me ..... .
[01:10] <memcmeme> well its installing now :)
[01:11] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: your genius is showing again ;-)
[01:11] <keffo> thoreauputic, what do you mean with widgit?
[01:11] <keffo> get
[01:11] <thoreauputic> or my stupidity, or both....
[01:11] <keffo> *
[01:11] <thoreauputic> keffo: umm- the pretty bits in the windows ;-)
[01:11] <keffo> oh ok
[01:11] <keffo> ;Pthen
[01:11] <keffo> hehe
[01:12] <Myrtti> thoreauputic: no, my nitpicking skills
[01:13] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: important for an aspiring programmer :)
[01:13] <Myrtti> yes, I think so too :->
[01:13] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: you debugged my error ;-)
[01:13] <chickenman> C++ = pwn :P
[01:14] <shmoolik> can some one help to configure my printer?
[01:14] <shmoolik> i can't print the test page =\
[01:15] <chickenman> shmoolik / whats your printer ?
[01:15] <shmoolik> HP DeskJet 815C
[01:15] <shmoolik> i have cofigured all that on the printer wizzard
[01:15] <chickenman> open printing on the system config menu
[01:16] <chickenman> all of it you sure you entered it all right ?
[01:16] <matt_> I have win xp installed on my system drive, and ubuntu installed on the slave, but the slave cant see the master and vice versa, and i want to partition the larger disk with a media drive that both OS's can see
[01:16] <shmoolik> chickenman,  done
[01:16] <shmoolik> chickenman,  yeah
[01:16] <chickenman> ok hang on
[01:16] <matt_> Is that possible
[01:16] <shmoolik> exapt from the usb port
[01:16] <chickenman> is your printer on there ?
[01:17] <Burgundavia> keffo: you got the fix for libfontconfig1 yet?
[01:17] <keffo> thoreauputic, whats the dir for GDM-styles?
[01:17] <keffo> Burgundavia, nope
[01:17] <keffo> still same errors etc
[01:17] <shmoolik> chickenman,  yeah *
[01:17] <chickenman> you using USB to plug it in ?
[01:17] <keffo> guess ill have to wait for next update
[01:17] <shmoolik> yeah double checked
[01:17] <chickenman> USB not good with linux
[01:18] <farruinn> keffo: when was the last time you updated?
[01:18] <farruinn> keffo: I think a fix has been uploaded
[01:18] <crimsun> [certain usb devices?] 
[01:18] <keffo> oh ok
[01:18] <keffo> farruinn, u had the asme problem?
[01:18] <shmoolik> =\ but all my thingys r connected throgh USB
[01:18] <thoreauputic> keffo: type `locate gdm | grep -i themes
[01:18] <keffo> thank you
[01:18] <farruinn> keffo: no, but I *just* upgraded
[01:18] <matt_> can anyone help me?
[01:19] <chickenman> mmmm well i won't know what to do i don't plug in my printer with USB
[01:19] <keffo> looks like there are some update
[01:19] <Burgundavia> keffo: update your machine now
[01:19] <keffo> im doing it
[01:19] <keffo> ;p
[01:19] <matt_> I have win xp installed on my system drive, and ubuntu installed on the slave, but the slave cant see the master and vice versa, and i want to partition the larger disk with a media drive that both OS's can see
[01:19] <topyli> what was the esd.conf hack to make it play nicely with non-esd games?
[01:19] <farruinn> matt_: winxp won't mount the ubuntu drive (there may be some freeware that allows you to)
[01:20] <farruinn> matt_: you can mount the windows drive though
[01:20] <farruinn> in ubuntu
[01:20] <keffo> hm, im curious if this works.
[01:20] <topyli> matt_: use fat32
[01:20] <keffo> im listening to the sound of a digging HDD, trying to guess.. is it working or not
[01:20] <keffo> ;P
[01:20] <matt_> I cant partition the ubuntu drie and format it as like.. ntfs?
[01:20] <keffo> Burgundavia, wanna bet some moneys? ;p
[01:20] <Myrtti> matt_: not with XP
[01:21] <keffo> AND ubuntu did it again, this fucking rocks to be honest.
[01:21] <keffo> bugfixes just a couple of hours later
[01:21] <keffo> works fine now
[01:21] <keffo> ;p
[01:21] <topyli> matt_: no, make a different partition, format it fat32 and both systems can use it
[01:21] <keffo> thanks for telling me to be patient
[01:21] <keffo> ;P
[01:21] <farruinn> matt_: linux can only read from ntfs, no write
[01:21] <matt_> Can i make it on the ubuntu drive?
[01:21] <matt_> XCause its the larger one
[01:21] <shmoolik> chickenman,  okay thanks man
[01:21] <keffo> hm, i dont need postfix as long as im not running any mailserver or so?
[01:21] <matt_> it wouldnt let me install to a partition
[01:22] <thoreauputic> keffo: you need it for local stuff
[01:22] <keffo> okok
[01:22] <matt_> it wanted the whole drive
[01:22] <keffo> there should be a list of everything unecessary ;p
[01:23] <Hayden> what rocks
[01:23] <farruinn> keffo: heh, that's why they made the ubuntu-desktop package
[01:23] <Hayden> wtf
[01:23] <keffo> ubuntu etc
[01:23] <keffo> ;P;P
[01:23] <UglyP> Anybody else wanna help me with something else haha. I have changed the instances of "warty" to hoary" in the sources list of APT, but am recieving the following error: Failed to fetch cdrom:[Ubuntu 4.10 _Warty Warthog_ - Preview i386 Binary-1 (20041020)] /dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  Please use apt-cdrom to make this CD recognized by APT. apt-get update cannot be used to add new CDs
[01:23] <UglyP> Failed to fetch cdrom:[Ubuntu 4.10 _Warty Warthog_ - Preview i386 Binary-1 (20041020)] /dists/unstable/restricted/binary-i386/Packages.gz  Please use apt-cdrom to make this CD recognized by APT. apt-get update cannot be used to add new CDs
[01:23] <UglyP> Reading Package Lists... Done
[01:23] <UglyP> W: Couldn't stat source package list cdrom://Ubuntu 4.10 _Warty Warthog_ - Preview i386 Binary-1 (20041020) unstable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/Ubuntu%204.10%20%5fWarty%20Warthog%5f%20-%20Preview%20i386%20Binary-1%20(20041020)_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[01:23] <thoreauputic> Hayden: the speed of fixes
[01:23] <UglyP> W: Couldn't stat source package list cdrom://Ubuntu 4.10 _Warty Warthog_ - Preview i386 Binary-1 (20041020) unstable/restricted Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/Ubuntu%204.10%20%5fWarty%20Warthog%5f%20-%20Preview%20i386%20Binary-1%20(20041020)_dists_unstable_restricted_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[01:23] <UglyP> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[01:23] <UglyP> E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[01:23] <Hayden> ahh ok
[01:23] <UglyP> p.s sorry for the flood :(
[01:23] <keffo> you shouldnt use CD ;P
[01:23] <membreya> UglyP: ...#flood next time
[01:23] <UglyP> sorry guys
[01:23] <thoreauputic> UglyP: #flood or a pastebin
[01:23] <Hayden> ban him !!! :)
[01:24] <membreya> burn the witch!
[01:24] <memcmeme> whats going on?
[01:24] <thoreauputic> Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!
[01:24] <matt_> Can i make the fat 32 partition on the ubuntu drive? and can xp use it too?
[01:24] <memcmeme> **looks aroudn confused**
[01:25] <UglyP> I suppose its something to do with the deb cdrom: line at the top of the sources list (how astute of me) but i still dont know what to to do haha.
[01:25] <thoreauputic> memcmeme: you aren't meant to paste in the channel like that :)
[01:25] <thoreauputic> memcmeme: hence the humour and warnings to UglyP
[01:25] <memcmeme> where do you past?
[01:25] <matt_> Can i make the fat 32 partition on the ubuntu drive? and can xp use it too?
[01:25] <djp> anyone know hwy i am getting messages when apt-get update tries to upgrade libslp1?
[01:25] <membreya> memcmeme: you paste in #flood
[01:26] <thoreauputic> memcmeme: in #flood or a pastebin URL
[01:26] <membreya> so you tell people to look in #flood
[01:26] <Myrtti> djp: what kind of messages
[01:26] <memcmeme> ahh
[01:26] <membreya> thoreauputic: ...complete newy remember..let's not get into pastebin :)
[01:26] <keffo> Burgundavia, hm, i installed unrar-nonfree to open newer .rar-archives.. whats the easiest way to get my system to recognize to open .rar files with unrar
[01:26] <djp> message is debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Dialog
[01:26] <thoreauputic> membreya: right :)
[01:26] <matt_> Can i make the fat 32 partition on the ubuntu drive? and can xp use it too?
[01:26] <djp> debconf: (TERM is not set, so the dialog frontend is not usable.)
[01:26] <UglyP> do u want me to paste it into flood now? would appreciate the help :D
[01:27] <djp> debconf: (This frontend requires a controlling tty.)
[01:27] <membreya> UglyP: you have a 30minute help ban :P
[01:27] <chickenman> LOL
[01:27] <UglyP> Oh poo.
[01:27] <UglyP> Haha
[01:27] <djp> that is basically the main bulk of the message
[01:27] <thoreauputic> UglyP: and a pair of burning underpants
[01:27] <thoreauputic> ;)
[01:27] <membreya> hehe
[01:27] <UglyP> WHO TOLD YOU?!
[01:27] <farruinn> djp: you might try 'dpkg-reconfigure debconf'
[01:27] <UglyP> :D
[01:28] <farruinn> djp: choose something other than "dialog"
[01:28] <qball> is it correct that the latest hoary kernel (686) doesnt have inotify?
[01:28] <thoreauputic> qball: yes
[01:28] <djp> farruinn: what is it best to choose?
[01:28] <membreya> qball: ..they couldn't fix the problem with gam-serv so they just disabled it by default :P
[01:28] <thoreauputic> qball: it caused untold havoc ;)
[01:28] <membreya> you can still compile it yourself though
[01:28] <qball> grrrr
[01:29] <farruinn> djp: I can't remember what the options are specifically, ncurses/text or something like that
[01:29] <qball> I am lazy
[01:29] <qball> don't want to compile myself.
[01:29] <membreya> too bad, so sad then qball :)
[01:29] <qball> can't it be a module?
[01:30] <da_bon_bon> membreya: what does qball want ?
[01:30] <farruinn> qball: you don't give matches to children do you?
[01:30] <chickenman> :D
[01:30] <qball> farruinn: why not? the might wanna light a candle
[01:31] <Myrtti> da_bon_bon: inotify
[01:31] <membreya> da_bon_bon: ..he wants inotify to come as a default again with the kernel
[01:31] <djp> farruinn: the choices on offer to me are Dialog, Readline, Gnome, KDE, Editor and Noninteractive
[01:31] <thoreauputic> qball: only with adult supervision ;-)
[01:31] <farruinn> djp: readline then
[01:31] <membreya> ...I suppose so he can laugh at the 90% of the people that were getting lockups
[01:31] <farruinn> djp: that should be the safest
[01:31] <djp> farruinn: thanks. what has that actually done/cured?
[01:31] <da_bon_bon> membreya: whats the use ? it crashes my system
[01:32] <membreya> da_bon_bon: ..that's the point of disabling it :P
[01:32] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: so we were trying to explain...
[01:32] <da_bon_bon> qball: then why do u wanna enable it ?
[01:32] <farruinn> djp: it's the interface debconf uses when it's configuring packages.  Readline shouldn't cause problems because it's just text
[01:32] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: I assume he needs it
[01:33] <chickenman> chickenman.zapto.org :P
[01:33] <memcmeme> I still cannot get over these sound drivers!
[01:33] <crimsun> bad? good?
[01:33] <matt_> Can i make the fat 32 partition on the ubuntu drive? and can xp use it too?
[01:34] <farruinn> matt_: yes but it will require reinstalling ubuntu
[01:34] <memcmeme> Amazing, I had to install a bunch of MB drivers then the audio drivers on windows, with a Fu<ing reboot between each section using Windows
[01:34] <membreya> matt_: yes, but you will need to go to drive manager in XP to enable access to it (ie allocate a drive letter in windows)
[01:34] <memcmeme> and these generic drivers work as well as the complex ones
[01:34] <djp> farruinn: it is now asking me what priority I should set, critical high, medium or low. which is the best to choose?
[01:34] <djp> farruinn: it has defaulted to high
[01:34] <farruinn> djp: medium is fine but it's your preference really
[01:35] <chickenman> critical ;)
[01:35] <djp> farruinn: ok
[01:35] <farruinn> that'd just be a pain :)
[01:36] <matt_> okay last time i tried to install ubuntu on a partition it said there was no root file system spexcified or something and the only thing that made it install was the guided partition of the whole disk... what do i do to kewep the partitions
[01:36] <thor|caffeine-in> memcmeme: actually some open source drivers are*better*
[01:36] <thor|caffeine-in> memcmeme: highly motivated coders
[01:37] <Myrtti> hifi purists
[01:37] <thor|caffeine-in> Myrtti: yes, a lot of the audio coders would be hi-fi types, I'm sure
[01:37] <memcmeme> sweet
[01:38] <memcmeme> what does one do with a .bin file?
[01:38] <thor|caffeine-in> Myrtti: scratching their itch :)
[01:38] <qball> stupid non hw-mixing laptop cards
[01:38] <thor|caffeine-in> memcmeme: what is the file?
[01:38] <membreya> got a nice set of logitech speakers...and I bought my gf a set of altec lansing speakers (I don't see the point of having a 5.1 speaker set on a PC when my room is 17ft long :P)
[01:38] <memcmeme> RealPlayer10GOLD.bin
[01:39] <thor|caffeine-in> memcmeme: did you read the instructions? ;-)
[01:39] <thor|caffeine-in> memcmeme: first you make it executable
[01:39] <keffo> asd
[01:39] <cosimo> Hi! ;)
[01:39] <matt_> okay last time i tried to install ubuntu on a partition it said there was no root file system spexcified or something and the only thing that made it install was the guided partition of the whole disk... what do i do to kewep the partitions
[01:39] <shmoolik> how can i know through which USB my printer is connected?
[01:40] <thor|caffeine-in> memcmeme: chmod +x <filename>      (use tab complete on the name)
[01:40] <qball> shmoolik: why do you need to know
[01:40] <shmoolik> i want to connect my printer
[01:41] <shmoolik> and Ubuntu printer wizrad ask me that ...
[01:41] <chickenman> get a printer that don't use USB
[01:41] <memcmeme> done
[01:41] <djp> farruinn: just noticed that when an update is being reported using apt-get it always has to fall back to teletype. Readline has this message debconf: (This frontend requires a controlling tty. How do i set it to Teletype? is that the Editor choice?
[01:41] <qball> hmmm I uses gnome-cups-manager never had problems.
[01:41] <shmoolik> HEHE chickenman  its nor pasable ... i need to print to day =\
[01:41] <thoreauputic> memcmeme: to run it from the directory, type  ./<filename>
[01:42] <qball> isnt it /deb/usb/lp0 or something.. or /dev/usblp0
[01:42] <thoreauputic> dot slash
[01:42] <matt_> Okay. Let me make it a YES OR NO question. Is it possible to partition the drive Ubuntu is on without blowing it away?
[01:42] <memcmeme> oh
[01:42] <membreya> matt_: yes it is
[01:42] <johnnybezak> hey guys i want a terminal to load and show a greeting then stay there, when i type gnome-terminal -e welcomescript it just loads then dissapears how do i make it stay there?
[01:42] <shmoolik> qball,  i don't  know .... i m not that good on linux =\
[01:42] <memcmeme> the instruction popped up in a different window when I clicked on them
[01:42] <chickenman> shmoolik / can you plug you printer in any other way ?
[01:42] <memcmeme> so I did not see them
[01:42] <memcmeme> thanks
[01:42] <shmoolik> chickenman,  no
[01:42] <matt_> Ok. How?
[01:43] <farruinn> djp: are  you running it from a normal terminal?
[01:43] <membreya> matt_: did you allocate free space for it before you tried to install ?
[01:43] <qball> shmoolik: doesnt the wizard give a hint?
[01:43] <matt_> I did try to install to a partition
[01:43] <matt_> but it said no root file system
[01:44] <shmoolik> qball,  no =\
[01:44] <membreya> matt_: you're not listening to my question :P
[01:44] <shmoolik> i can only pick one from 12
[01:44] <edulix> hi !
[01:44] <thoreauputic> memcmeme: you're aware firefox will open links in a tab if you middle click them, right ?
[01:44] <qball> aaah how are they called
[01:44] <djp> farruinn: i receive that message in the report that i get in my mbox. i am using an automatic update as recommended here http://ubuntuguide.org/#autoupdate
[01:44] <matt_> Can you rephrase the question?
[01:44] <qball> USB printer 1
[01:44] <shmoolik> USB Printer #num
[01:44] <edulix> is it needed to fsck my filesystems eevery boot ?
[01:44] <qball> just take the first one
[01:45] <shmoolik> i have
[01:45] <farruinn> djp: oooh... in that case I would choose "noninteractive"
[01:45] <qball> that should work.
[01:45] <shmoolik> and it does not even print mt the test page =\ qball
[01:45] <memcmeme> no
[01:45] <membreya> matt_: before you installed linux (ubuntu), in windows did you use something like partition magic to allocate some free space by resizing your existing partitions?
[01:45] <thoreauputic> edulix: no
[01:45] <qball> hmmm
[01:45] <djp> farruinn: ok, thanks
[01:45] <qball> shmoolik: does dmesg report anything?
[01:45] <memcmeme> ok
[01:45] <memcmeme> there is not a realplayer folder on my desktop
[01:46] <memcmeme> that I cannot move or get rid of
[01:46] <matt_> Yes.  I did. But Ubuntu blew that partition away
[01:46] <matt_> because it said it had no root file system and oculd not install
[01:46] <membreya> membreya: sudo rm -rf Desktop/<folder name>
[01:46] <shmoolik> qball,  wait a sec ... now i can c on USB Printer 1 (deskjet )
[01:46] <matt_> so I gave it the whole drive
[01:46] <thoreauputic> memcmeme: oh - you installed directly from desktop?
[01:46] <membreya> hmmm nfi then matt :| mine has always worked fine
[01:46] <memcmeme> yeah
[01:46] <matt_> I have 2 physical drives
[01:46] <Myrtti> that's true, btw. The partition thingie is quite hard to use
[01:47] <chickenman> chickenman.zapto.org :P
[01:47] <memcmeme> how do I move it
[01:47] <shmoolik> qball,  how can i c the dmesg ?
[01:47] <Myrtti> I managed to bork up my partitions serveral times
[01:47] <thoreauputic> memcmeme: hmm - for future referene, it's better to download to a dir in your home directory
[01:47] <membreya> memcmeme: : sudo rm -rf Desktop/<folder name> (if you want to delete it)
[01:47] <qball> shmoolik: type dmesg
[01:47] <chickenman> memcmeme / login as root
[01:47] <edulix> thoreauputic: I've seen that checkfs.sh fsck my filesystems every boot. should/can I disable it ?
[01:47] <membreya> shmoolik: dmesg? :)
[01:47] <thoreauputic> membreya: it contains a binary I'd say
[01:47] <memcmeme> I tried that
[01:47] <memcmeme> it wont let me
[01:48] <matt_> Does that no answer the question?
[01:48] <thoreauputic> edulix: that's very odd
[01:48] <chickenman> memcmeme / theres a way that lets you login as root but i've fogot it
[01:48] <shmoolik> the only thingy about a USB is this massage usbcore: registered new driver usblp
[01:48] <qball> shmoolik: what does lpq say
[01:48] <memcmeme> I have a root terminal open
[01:48] <membreya> chickenman / memcmeme : sudo -s
[01:49] <shmoolik> DeskJet-815C is ready and printing
[01:49] <shmoolik> Rank    Owner   Job     File(s)                         Total Size
[01:49] <shmoolik> active  shmooli 20      Test Page                       153600 bytes
[01:49] <Madiba> hello iners
[01:49] <Madiba> liners'
[01:49] <membreya> if you are logged in as root..you are god and nothing will stop you removing a directory...you can even remove ALL your files
[01:49] <shmoolik> DAMN sorry aboout this flood*
[01:49] <matt_> Do you think you could simply direct me to a useful website for partitioning ubuntu's drive?
[01:49] <keffo> nanana
[01:49] <qball> smurfslay: hmmm so cups thinks it printing.
[01:49] <Madiba> ] any south africans in here
[01:49] <shmoolik> matt_,  http://ubuntuguide.org/#codecs
[01:50] <shmoolik> matt_,  GL
[01:50] <qball> what does http://localhost:631/printers/
[01:50] <memcmeme> Ok
[01:50] <qball> say (first go to the printer
[01:50] <qball> )
[01:50] <memcmeme> got rid of it
[01:50] <edulix> thoreauputic: it fsck only when doesn't exist /fastboot right ?
[01:50] <thoreauputic> memcmeme: your realplay probably won't play now
[01:50] <Madiba> can any one give a newbie some advice please
[01:50] <shmoolik> "Printer not connected; will retry in 30 seconds..."....
[01:50] <thoreauputic> memcmeme: that folder contained the binary
[01:51] <qball> shmoolik: hmmm it thinks that not printer is connected.
[01:51] <shmoolik> qball,  DAMN ... then it is a USB problem
[01:51] <memcmeme> thats fine
[01:51] <memcmeme> I will re download it
[01:51] <chickenman> shmoolik / go buy a printer without USB ;)
[01:51] <memcmeme> How do I tell the Mozilla download manager not to point at the desktop?
[01:51] <qball> maybe other people have more exp. with usb printer problems.. it alway's "just worked" for me.
[01:51] <membreya> memcmeme: http://ubuntuguide.org/#realplayer
[01:51] <memcmeme> I went to preferennces download
[01:52] <shmoolik> qball,  on Device URI: usb:/dev/usb/lp5  <==
[01:52] <thoreauputic> memcmeme: you're using mozilla or firefox?
[01:52] <memcmeme> mozilla
[01:52] <chickenman> i got mozilla
[01:52] <matt_> What is GL?
[01:52] <shmoolik> then its on the fifth USB does not it?
[01:52] <chickenman> hang on
[01:52] <thoreauputic> memcmeme: I'll have to look
[01:52] <shmoolik> GoodLuck*
[01:52] <matt_> This is multimedia codecs
[01:53] <qball> smurfslay: change that to 0 .
[01:53] <thoreauputic> chickenman: you can find the pref for him?
[01:53] <chickenman> shmoolik / edit-pref then
[01:53] <qball> because it just be wrong..  btw..  If I open gnome-cups-manager and do add printer it autodetects my printer.
[01:53] <qball> it just might be wrong.
[01:53] <chickenman> downloads
[01:53] <Madiba> any help in here
[01:54] <chickenman> oooops not that
[01:54] <qball> sorry smurfslay  ment shmoolik
[01:54] <thoreauputic> Madiba: just ask
[01:54] <Madiba> ok ta
[01:55] <shmoolik> qball,  haha
[01:55] <shmoolik> it works!!!
[01:55] <memcmeme> well I solved part of the problem of real player
[01:55] <Madiba> i can only run live cd in safe mode if i run ubuntu or ubuntu expert mode it loads and then i just get a black screen why?
[01:55] <qball> stupid autocomplete.. it should do what I want, not what I type.
[01:55] <shmoolik> i have updated Ubuntu !!! and it works
[01:55] <memcmeme> I found it in the reps
[01:55] <shmoolik> WOW what a beauty !!
[01:56] <qball> anybody here with laptop + ati vid card + ati drivers and stanby
[01:56] <farruinn> shmoolik: congrats :) hoary?
[01:56] <shmoolik> yeah
[01:56] <matt_> DUDE this isn't partitioning software
[01:56] <shmoolik> DAMN every thingy else work too!!!
[01:56] <qball> tranceConscious had alot to ask/tell
[01:57] <shmoolik> thanks ppl for all  your help !!! really
[01:57] <Myrtti> shmoolik: that's what we're here for
[01:58] <Madiba> i can only run live cd in safe mode if i run ubuntu or ubuntu expert mode it loads and then i just get a black screen why?
[01:58] <thoreauputic> Madiba: possibly your vid card isn't recognised?
[01:59] <deFrysk> Madiba, cuz yur not an expurt ;p
[01:59] <shmoolik> =\ I just hop that one day i can help and not need to get help :D
[01:59] <thoreauputic> shmoolik: you will :)
[02:00] <thoreauputic> shmoolik: everything you learn can be passed on
[02:00] <Madiba> yeah could be it asks me about configuring the vid card
[02:01] <chickenman> i've been using linux for 4 days :D
[02:01] <Madiba> thoreauptic ive got geforc4 mx
[02:01] <Myrtti> shmoolik: stay on the channel, you're now our expert on that problem
[02:01] <qball> hmmm I should be working on gtodo
[02:01] <aff> Hey is it possible to install ubuntu (hoary) onto a raid0 system=
[02:01] <memcmeme> any thoughts on how to make Mozilla send townloads to anywhere but the desktop?
[02:01] <Myrtti> if someone else comes in with the same problem, you know what to do
[02:01] <deFrysk> chickenman, so still looking at the light at the end of the tunnel ;)
[02:01] <chickenman> memcmeme / use firefox
[02:01] <johnnybezak> memcmeme: i think thats in prefs
[02:01] <Madiba> thoreauptic:any ideas
[02:01] <thoreauputic> Madiba: sorry, I know little about vid cards - maybe someone else will know
[02:01] <memcmeme> ok
[02:02] <Madiba> thanks anyway
[02:02] <SiRrUs> good morning people
[02:02] <matt_> Ok. Let me ask this then. How do I install to a partition?
[02:02] <Madiba> ok peeps see u later
[02:02] <thoreauputic> memcmeme: if you can wait a minute I'll fire up mozilla and look
[02:02] <Bandit> yo SiRrUs
[02:02] <johnnybezak> have any of you guys used mythtv?
[02:03] <chickenman> memcmeme / i didn't see any think in the prefs for you to set where the downloads are saved
[02:03] <deFrysk> its in the prfs I'm sure
[02:03] <deFrysk> in the downloads section
[02:03] <Asycas> anyone got this problem b4: i tried starting the installation with the hoary cd, but everytime i try to boot the installation, the comp always says 'loading the kernel..... ok' or something and then just reboots =/
[02:03] <chickenman> i look it's not there
[02:04] <deFrysk> however I no longer use mozilla , just firefox
[02:04] <Myrtti> Asycas: burn another CD
[02:04] <deFrysk> mozilla is a closed chapter
[02:04] <Myrtti> the one you're using might be broken
[02:04] <Myrtti> error in data transmit etc
[02:04] <Asycas> i already tried installing with the save CD on another comp - it worked beautifully...
[02:04] <Asycas> *same cd
[02:04] <Myrtti> hmmm...
[02:04] <deFrysk> Asycas, if you hava another player on the cd , try the other one
[02:05] <Asycas> player??
[02:05] <Burgundavia> keffo: why use utf8 because it can handle non-latin chars easier
[02:05] <deFrysk> cdrom player
[02:05] <Myrtti> another CD-ROM drive
[02:05] <keffo> okok
[02:05] <Asycas> oh i don't...
[02:05] <deFrysk> apologies for my mickey mouse lingo
[02:06] <johnnybezak> any of you guys know where i can get some nice fonts? (free ones :P)
[02:06] <chickenman> johnnybezak / use apt-get
[02:06] <thoreauputic> memcmeme: I get a dialog that has a file chooser
[02:06] <deFrysk> johnnybezak, http://corefonts.sourceforge.net/
[02:07] <thoreauputic> memcmeme: in which I can choose which dir to download to
[02:07] <thoreauputic> when I click on the download link
[02:07] <Asycas> any ideas on the installtion cd thing? i've got a compaq presario pc from hp, if that's any help...
[02:07] <johnnybezak> deFrysk: thanks
[02:08] <mastertet> HI, I install Hoary yesterday and I like it a lot. During the install, I created a /store partition. I can't right in it, someone knows what I should write in /etc/fstab to be able of writting in this partition?
[02:08] <njan> umask=0
[02:08] <njan> under options
[02:08] <njan> that'll mount it so regular users can access it
[02:08] <mastertet> ok, it work with ext3
[02:08] <mastertet> ?
[02:08] <njan> /dev/hda57      /store          ext3    umask=0,defaults        0       0
[02:08] <njan> something like that, mastertet
[02:08] <mastertet> thanks
[02:09] <njan> where /dev/hda57 is whatever your partition is
[02:09] <njan> but it will mean that anyone else logged onto your system can read/write that partition too
[02:09] <memcmeme> is there a way of playing MS Media formats on linux?
[02:09] <flawd-afk> anyone who uses cedega and has got cd switching to work?
[02:10] <deFrysk> memcmeme, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:10] <thoreauputic> memcmeme: that's covered in the howto on http://ubuntuguide.org
[02:10] <Gaaruto> memcmeme, yes, download w32codecs
[02:10] <thoreauputic> or the link deFrysk says, as well
[02:10] <flawd-afk> it wont find the cd
[02:10] <edulix> re
[02:10] <Asycas> anyone got this problem b4: i tried starting the installation with the hoary cd, but everytime i try to boot the installation, the comp always says 'loading the kernel..... ok' or something and then just reboots =/
[02:10] <flawd-afk> second cd
[02:11] <flawd-afk> i am using -monitor-cdrom-eject
[02:11] <thoreauputic> memcmeme: did you sort the mozilla download issue?
[02:11] <memcmeme> yes
[02:11] <memcmeme> i switched to firefox
 probably something wrong with modules/drivers, for example ny distro blocks there after having changed graphic card
[02:11] <thoreauputic> memcmeme: OK, not a bad plan :)
[02:11] <memcmeme> ok I found the codecs
[02:11] <Asycas> kqj: does warty work then?
[02:11] <memcmeme> which player do they work with?
[02:11] <mertas> hey all :)
[02:12] <Gaaruto> memcmeme, all !
[02:12] <edulix> is it possible to use hibernate as a complete replacement for halt/boot/reboot ? I'd like to be able to say: halt, and it haltes ith saving. boot, and it boots last saved "session" etc
[02:12] <deFrysk> memcmeme, mplayer an xine
[02:12] <deFrysk> and
[02:12] <farruinn> vlc
[02:12] <thoreauputic> memcmeme: if you add the repos in those howtos, you can use synaptic to install
[02:12] <kqj> maybe, (fedora installed on the pc i was speaking of)
[02:12] <edulix> what I basically want is to boot everytime with the same hibernated session
[02:12] <memcmeme> I am installing it now
[02:12] <Asycas> kqj: you mean fedora had that problem?
[02:12] <edulix> not every time with a different one that besides must be saved and takes time :P
[02:13] <memcmeme> I don't have mplayer
[02:13] <memcmeme> will it work with kafiene?
[02:13] <Gaaruto> do you have xine ?
[02:13] <memcmeme> nope
[02:13] <Gaaruto> install it (xine-ui)
[02:13] <edulix> memcmeme: I use kaffeine to play wmv9 etc
[02:13] <kqj> no, i mean something goes wrong with the linux kernel itself, so it just hangs (in my case probably nvidia drivers, don't exactly now)
[02:13] <deFrysk> not sure what engine kaffeine uses
[02:13] <edulix> (in kubuntu)
[02:13] <Gaaruto> it a graeat player
[02:14] <thoreauputic> memcmeme: kaffeine is a KDE app - you might ask the guys in #kubuntu about it
[02:14] <memcmeme> well here is the ting
[02:14] <deFrysk> is there a #kubuntu ?
[02:14] <memcmeme> I can't find a pure xine
[02:14] <deFrysk> wow !
[02:14] <memcmeme> there are like 30 different xines
[02:14] <memcmeme> gxine
[02:14] <deFrysk> that  'l weed the kde peeps out here ;p
[02:14] <Gaaruto> type xine-ui
[02:14] <thoreauputic> memcmeme: gxine is the gnome interface
[02:14] <Gaaruto> sudo apt-get xine-ui
[02:15] <Asycas> kqj: but mine reboots =/ like it never tried loading anything
[02:15] <memcmeme> I clicked on that
[02:15] <memcmeme> but don't I need the player
[02:15] <memcmeme> not just the ui?
[02:15] <Gaaruto> but you must have the repository in sources.list
[02:15] <thoreauputic> Gaaruto: we've covered that
[02:15] <memcmeme> I have the reps
[02:15] <kqj> Asycas: mh, rebooting is strange, i must admit
[02:15] <memcmeme> I found xine ui
[02:16] <memcmeme> installing
[02:16] <mastertet> umask=0 doesn't work for ext3: EXT3-fs: Unrecognized mount option "umask=0"
[02:16] <memcmeme> installed
[02:16] <deFrysk> Asycas, does the bios allow installing other osses ?
[02:16] <Asycas> kqj: it's frustrating.... it works on another laptop i tried installing on though
[02:16] <thoreauputic> mastertet: you don't need it for ext3
[02:16] <memcmeme> kickass, xine looks great :)
[02:17] <memcmeme> will it plug into firefox and mozilla?
[02:17] <johnnybezak> firefox is about as stable as mental asylum atm
[02:17] <Asycas> kqj: i tried installing debian before, but then gave up because there was a problem with loadking xwindows. the os got installed, though, and i could run programs, etc
[02:17] <mastertet> thoreauputic, what should I put in option so regular user can access my /store partition?
[02:17] <Gaaruto> the best way it to install mozilla-mplayer pluggin
[02:18] <Gaaruto> just the plugin
[02:18] <deFrysk> Asycas, get a more recent version of hoary burned and try again I would say :|
[02:18] <Myrtti> johnnybezak: :-o
[02:18] <Asycas> lol i just finished my hoary download today... but i'll check, cause i got it off bittorrent
[02:18] <kqj> Asycas: with xwindows you mean X ? the graphic server ?
[02:19] <Myrtti> I've not yet had it crashing even once
[02:19] <thoreauputic> mastertet: make it owned by a group, add users to the group
[02:19] <deFrysk> Asycas, darn :S
[02:19] <johnnybezak> its soooo bad
[02:19] <johnnybezak> when i open a new tab
[02:19] <johnnybezak> cpu goes through the roof
[02:19] <johnnybezak> then sometimes it just locks up
[02:19] <johnnybezak> agh
[02:19] <Asycas> umm yes - i was pretty i used the correct driver - i810, but SOMEHOW it could find any screens or something like that
[02:19] <chickenman> can some one tell me how to install shockwave on firefox ??
[02:20] <memcmeme> type in shockwave in synaptic
[02:20] <chickenman> k
[02:20] <Asycas> maybe i should custom build my pcs instead of getting them from thos control freak pc manufacturers... >.<
[02:20] <kqj> Asycas: haven't you another graphic card to try the install ?
[02:20] <Asycas> i'd have to buy one ^^'
[02:20] <flawd-afk> anyone using cedega?
[02:20] <thoreauputic> mastertet: eg add a group called 'share", and add users to that group
[02:20] <kqj> (yes anyway compaq pcs usually quite sucks)
[02:21] <Asycas> i'd call them 'idiot-proof' pcs - plug it in, yay it works!! but that's not good for pple like us who like to do other advanced stuff to them
[02:21] <Myagy> can anyone please tell me how can i set up a default route for a VPN tunnel ?( i want to route internet through a pptp tunnel )
[02:22] <mastertet> thoreauputic, is there an admin tool to do this in Ubuntu?
[02:23] <Seveas> Good afternoon everyone
[02:23] <thoreauputic> mastertet: system config >> users and groups
[02:23] <SiRrUs> hello
[02:23] <Asycas> lol after seeing the nice brown ubuntu gui on another comp i installed on, windows gui looks yucky =P
[02:23] <Seveas> lol Asycas :)
[02:24] <Asycas> i feel childish on the xp gui ;)
[02:24] <thoreauputic> mastertet: you can then change properties on the directory by using the right click context menu
[02:24] <Seveas> The XP gui is somewhat childish
[02:24] <qball> Asycas: teletubby land
[02:24] <deFrysk> -somewhat
[02:24] <thoreauputic> mastertet: on the dir itself
[02:24] <mastertet> ok
[02:24] <Asycas> RIGHT :)
[02:24] <deFrysk> chilish = retarded
[02:25] <deFrysk> childish
 The XP gui is retarded
[02:25] <Asycas> microsoft tries to pamper you into believing windows is SAFE (note the oxymoron)
[02:25] <deFrysk> thats better :)
[02:25] <memcmeme> sweet it can play quicktime as well :)
[02:25] <NormD> hrm...I'm not sure I'd call it "teletubby" land...more like "Land Of The Raging Spyware"...: )
[02:26] <membreya> hrm ...top is saying swap is 0k total ...and doing a mount says there's no swap partition :|
[02:26] <Asycas> lol =P
[02:26] <thoreauputic> NormD: Little Billy's Playground
[02:26] <membreya> any ideas thoreauputic ?
[02:27] <thoreauputic> membreya: umm - what does swapon -a do?
[02:27] <chickenman> i can't find any shockwave in the synaptic package manager :(
[02:27] <Asycas> hehe... although they say windows is for beginners, i'd rather recommend linux for beginners, then at least if they mess up and download a virus, they won't get infected so easily
[02:27] <Asycas> windows lulls you into a 'false sense of security'
[02:27] <membreya> membreya@diab:~$ sudo swapon -a
[02:27] <membreya> swapon: /dev/sda6: Device or resource busy
[02:27] <Seveas> Asycas: a system is as secure as it's weakest linl
[02:27] <Seveas> link*
[02:27] <deFrysk> windows lulls you into a 'false sense of sanity'
[02:27] <membreya> sda6 is a reiserfs partition
[02:28] <Seveas> in windows, the weakest link is a number of bugs, in linux it is the user
[02:28] <chickenman> help please !!
[02:28] <Asycas> lol  that's kinda correct
[02:28] <Seveas> so for stupid users, maybe winxp is better :)
[02:28] <membreya> maybe that's why I'm getting lockups :) my memory free says 12Mb :|
[02:28] <thoreauputic> membreya: do you have gkrellm or a monitoring gui you can look at?
[02:28] <Asycas> but if you're not root in linux, there's only so much damage u can do...
[02:28] <Seveas> true, Asycas
[02:28] <NormD> I would never have thought of any distro a couple years ago for 'beginners'...but now I'm considering either Ubuntu or Mepis for my 80+year-old aunt...
[02:29] <Seveas> but someone who owns a computer wants to be root to :)
[02:29] <membreya> like system monitor thoreauputic ?
[02:29] <chickenman> LOL
[02:29] <mastertet> thoreauputic, I can't change permission since I'm root own the dir...
[02:29] <thoreauputic> membreya: i don't think linux swap should be a file system as such - it shiold be type 82
[02:29] <Asycas> hmm... i'd never let anyone who goes around using root all the time OWN a computer
[02:29] <Seveas> thoreauputic: you're right
[02:29] <Seveas> the swap must have no filesystem
[02:29] <chickenman> can some one help me i need shockwave on firefox or mozilla ?
[02:30] <ohgood> Would anyone like to point me to the 'official' Documentation for installation of nvidia drivers for hoary ?
[02:30] <membreya> should I use sda3 (my rootfs) as my swap as well ?
[02:30] <Seveas> Asycas: good point
[02:30] <thoreauputic> mastertet: time for the command line and sudo then: look at the chmod and chown commands
[02:30] <Seveas> and that's why i love sudo :)
[02:30] <Asycas> YES =D
[02:30] <chickenman> can some one help me i need shockwave on firefox or mozilla ?
[02:31] <Asycas> well, since i don't think my problem can be solved anytime soon... i'll log off and play with my other ubuntu system now
[02:31] <Asycas> see ya
[02:31] <petemc> add a marillat source and install flashplugin
[02:31] <mastertet> thoreauputic, got it, sudo nautilus --no-desktop :)
[02:31] <PacoBCN> nice to see last night's upgrade isue was solved
[02:31] <Seveas> chickenman: maybe flashplayer-mozilla can handle shockwave too, but i'm not sure
[02:31] <deFrysk> http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/knowledgebase/index.cfm?id=tn_19553
[02:32] <deFrysk> and read
[02:32] <Seveas> chickenman: but you need to add a marillat repository for that one
[02:32] <larsrohdin> how can i see what desktop resolution im using?
[02:32] <deFrysk> system prefs sceenresolution
[02:32] <scandium> larsrohdin, "xdpyinfo | grep dimensions" should work
[02:32] <deFrysk> +r
[02:32] <farruinn> larsrohdin: System>Preferences>Screen resolution
[02:32] <chickenman> na i got flashplayer installed still can't get shockwave \ marillat repository ??
[02:33] <larsrohdin> scandium, worked. Thanks!
[02:33] <membreya> looking at my dmesg, I have the error message of Unable to find swap-space signature
[02:33] <ohgood> what does ubuntu use for screen resolution/adjustment ?
[02:33] <thoreauputic> membreya: mkswap is the command to make a swap partition I think
[02:34] <deFrysk> mkswap /dev/hdax
[02:34] <deFrysk> then swapon /dev/hdax
[02:34] <deFrysk> I think
[02:34] <ohgood> correct
[02:35] <thoreauputic> deFrysk: looks right
[02:35] <deFrysk> old gentoo way hehe
[02:35] <membreya> thoreauputic: was just doing that ..am RTFM'ing :)
[02:35] <membreya> deFrysk: SATA ..it's dev/sdax :P
[02:35] <thoreauputic> membreya: you notice I didn't have to tell you to do that ;-)
[02:35] <deFrysk> ooh
[02:35] <deFrysk> membreya, sdax it is hehe
[02:36] <membreya> :P
[02:36] <thoreauputic> membreya: a refreshing change ;)
[02:36] <membreya> :P
[02:36] <thoreauputic> *grin*
[02:37] <membreya> should I need to reboot to activate the swap space?
[02:37] <ohgood> membreya, you typed 'swapon', it's on
[02:37] <deFrysk> membreya, swapon /dev/sdblah
[02:37] <thoreauputic> membreya: no, just swapon
[02:38] <ohgood> membreya, check with 'free'         if it's done
[02:38] <LinuxJones> I see the regulars are here AS USUAL !!
[02:38] <membreya> membreya@diab:~$ sudo swapon /dev/sda6
[02:38] <membreya> swapon: /dev/sda6: Device or resource busy
[02:38] <Myrtti> as usual
[02:38] <membreya> :|
[02:38] <Myrtti> llo LinuxJones
[02:38] <membreya> maybe because it's the partition I store squid on ?
[02:38] <thoreauputic> LinuxJones: that's the definition, isn't it?
[02:38] <membreya> lol thoreauputic :)
[02:38] <ohgood> membreya use mount , see if it's already mounted
[02:39] <LinuxJones> maybe you guys just never leave :)
[02:39] <Myrtti> no, we keep screen irssi on all the time
[02:39] <farruinn> LinuxJones: I haven't left since the last time you were on :)
[02:39] <Myrtti> live on coke and pizza
[02:39] <farruinn> Myrtti: aye
[02:39] <LinuxJones> farruinn, good man yourself :)
[02:39] <NormD> thoreauputic: sadly, I suspect we're in a refreshing lull now...while linuxes are close to "just working" goodness, and a bit before the hordes fleeing MS arrive...
[02:39] <Myrtti> never sleep
[02:39] <thoreauputic> LinuxJones: sleep is overrated ;)
[02:39] <Gaaruto> lol Myrtti
[02:39] <membreya> ohgood: it's mounted as my /media/downloads directory
[02:40] <Myrtti> I'm too much a nerd to not know this stuff :-)
[02:40] <thoreauputic> NormD: you clearly weren't here yesterday ;-)
[02:40] <ohgood> membreya, this is something you want to check _befor_ killing a filesystem ;)
[02:40] <kqj> membreya, you can't have a file system partition used as swap, nor the contrary, you must create a partition to be used as swap
[02:40] <LinuxJones> thoreauputic, my old PC is too loud, to sleep with it on
[02:40] <membreya> ohgood: I've used the same partition before when I had it as a fat32
[02:41] <membreya> I have a feeling my fstab is outdated :P
[02:41] <NormD> thoreauputic: *laugh* how true...I was still fighting with my wireless card in ubuntu 5.01 and mepis...: )
[02:41] <Myrtti> LinuxJones: some of us have shell accounts on servers that reside perhaps in another city even :-)
[02:41] <thoreauputic> LinuxJones: heheh - i keep forgetting the xmms alarm is set for 7AM :)
[02:41] <ohgood> membreya, doesn't matter what it's been used as.
[02:41] <membreya> aaaah /dev/sda5 not 6 :P
[02:41] <LinuxJones> heh
[02:41] <ohgood> membreya, use fdisk -l             for re-familiarization with partitions
[02:41] <membreya> ohgood: :P
[02:42] <membreya> woohooo! :D
[02:42] <membreya> fixed :)
[02:42] <thoreauputic> ohgood: he's way ahead of you ;-)
[02:42] <ohgood> what's with all the ':P" ? try to heelp someone.... mmm
[02:42] <deFrysk> ohgood, ;p
[02:42] <membreya> i like my tongue sticking out :|
[02:42] <thoreauputic> ohgood: he has a warped sense of humour - pay no attention ;-)
[02:42] <membreya> if I could, I would do a ALT+0222 :)
[02:43] <membreya> narcissistic bugger thoreauputic :P
[02:43] <Gaaruto> hi gilbs72
[02:43] <Gaaruto> :)
[02:43] <Seveas> hello :D
[02:44] <thoreauputic> membreya: I have a serious character disorder - that's why we understand each other :P
[02:44] <Seveas> Welcome to the real world, it suck, you're gonna love it :)
[02:44] <gilbs72> <-- newbie  :)
[02:44] <gilbs72> hello everyone
[02:44] <Gaaruto> lol Seveas
[02:44] <membreya> ouch .. I'm down to 6Mb of phsyical memory left .. I think I need to get another 512 :P thankfully with my swap though, I now have 256Mb available :)
[02:44] <Seveas> (c) Courteney Cox Arquette as Monica Geller in Friends :)
[02:44] <gilbs72> pardon the slow response. still trying to figure things out
[02:44] <Gaaruto> where is it taken ?
[02:44] <thoreauputic> gilbs72: welcome, O traveller to the gates of HAdes!
[02:45] <membreya> thoreauputic: I prefer to think of linux as pergatory
[02:45] <membreya> erm
[02:45] <membreya> purgatory even
[02:45] <membreya> damn ...4 hours sleep a night :()
[02:45] <Seveas> that's a lot
[02:45] <thoreauputic> membreya: I'm not a lapsed Catholic so I don't have a pergatory :P
[02:46] <Gaaruto> ah yes ! Friends !!!
[02:46] <Gaaruto> lol
[02:46] <NormD> "gates of hades" ?  huh?  I thought Linux was the Promised Land! /parts to join #BillGatesNeverLandRanch...
[02:46] <StarScreem> membreya: so whats heavan then...?
[02:46] <gilbs72> thanks for the welcome... will lurk in the shadows and see what new things i pick up
[02:46] <thoreauputic> hmm..membreya's lousy spelling is rubbing off on me...
[02:46] <thoreauputic> gilbs72: beware - everything is very hot down here...
[02:46] <membreya> heaven is linux fully configured and running everything how you want it to the point that you never need to configure anything ever again...the holy grail if you will
[02:47] <Seveas> it's sooo much fun :)
[02:47] <prego> How do I force nautilus to "recompute" a thumbnail for a pdf file?
[02:47] <thoreauputic> membreya: what is your....favourite colour?
[02:47] <membreya> some might say windows is heaven, they do say after all ..ignorance is bliss
[02:47] <membreya> thoreauputic: purple :D
[02:47] <Seveas> membreya: windows is only blue sky
[02:47] <Seveas> linux is heaven :)
[02:48] <NormD> membreya:  never happen.  there's always security patching, and occasional gnome/kde eyecandy updates...
[02:48] <hayden> i've got a problem with firefox, when i try to dload something i push save but then the file doesnt download
[02:48] <thoreauputic> membreya: 'tis folly to be wise....
[02:48] <membreya> NormD: hence why I said, holy grail :)
[02:48] <thoreauputic> hayden: bug in hoary firefox
[02:48] <hayden> yea
[02:48] <hayden> no way of fixing it easily?
[02:48] <Seveas> hayden: bug is known, check the bugzilla to see if there are workarounds
[02:49] <hayden> ok
[02:49] <oclv> Hmm, how does one adjust Xorg stuffs in ubunutu ? Does it have a way of resizing/relocating screens ?
[02:49] <hayden> is there a download manager with a gui i can install
[02:49] <Seveas> yes there is
[02:49] <Seveas> but i forgot the name :S
[02:50] <farruinn> firefox downloads work for me...
[02:50] <thoreauputic> hayden: yes, e.g. downloader for X
[02:50] <ohgood> i'll assume it's a gnome-tool of some type
[02:50] <Gaaruto> d4x
[02:50] <Gaaruto> no ?
[02:50] <thoreauputic> hayden: don't know the package name
[02:50] <prego> hayden, d4x would do. gwget2 probably also
[02:50] <prego> thoreauputic, is d4x, as Gaaruto says
[02:50] <Seveas> hayden: try prozilla
[02:50] <hayden> hmm ok
[02:51] <thoreauputic> prego: yup, thanks
[02:51] <Seveas> it's not gui though...
[02:51] <prego> Seveas, with no gui, wget is quite fine
[02:52] <Seveas> wget rocks :)
[02:52] <Myrtti> wget kicks ass
[02:52] <ohgood> no clues to screen adjustment with hoary ?
[02:52] <flawd-afk> is quakeforge available for ubuntu?
[02:52] <Seveas> ohgood: sure, system -> preferences -> screen resolution (oslt)
[02:52] <membreya> had another lockup :|
[02:52] <Gaaruto> wget power *
[02:53] <Seveas> flawd-afk: i do not see it in synaptic...
[02:53] <ohgood> Seveas: i'm looking for a way to resize and reposition..
[02:53] <thoreauputic> what about curl ?
[02:53] <Seveas> ah ok
[02:53] <farruinn> thoreauputic: I use curl
[02:53] <flawd-afk> Seveas, me neither
[02:53] <Seveas> ohgood: edit your X config manually
[02:53] <membreya> isn't that a winter olympic sport thoreauputic ?
[02:53] <membreya> oh wait, that's curling
[02:53] <flawd-afk> Im so frustrated with cedega right now
[02:53] <ohgood> Seveas: t adjust position ? :|
[02:53] <flawd-afk> it worked fine on mandrake
[02:54] <flawd-afk> on ubuntu it wont find the second cd
[02:54] <thoreauputic> membreya: yeah, with penguins shoving rocks along the ice ;)
[02:54] <Seveas> flawd-afk: run alien on the mandrake tgz and see if that works
[02:54] <membreya> crack-attack time!
[02:54] <Seveas> lol
[02:54] <flawd-afk> oh
[02:54] <flawd-afk> ill try that thanks
[02:55] <jeetsen> Hi folks!
[02:55] <hayden> how do i dload a file with curl
[02:55] <farruinn> hayden: curl url -o file
[02:56] <hayden> thanks
[02:56] <farruinn> iirc, it's been a while
[02:56] <shmoolik> for some resone i can't print with Evince
[02:56] <Seveas> wget url
[02:56] <shmoolik> how can i check y .. ?
[02:58] <Seveas> hmm
[02:58] <ohgood> BAH! xvidtune to the rescue
[02:58] <Seveas> kacpid locks up my system
[02:59] <prego> Seveas, sometimes, wget --passive url
[03:00] <hayden> im trying to dload a file, but the address for it isnt straight forward it is ->http://gdesklets.gnomedesktop.org/files.php?func=gd_downloadfile&gd_filename=starterbar-desklet-0.31.2.tar.bz2&gd_fileid=577
[03:00] <hayden> would that url work with wget?
[03:01] <prego> hayden, probably not, not sure though
[03:01] <ohgood> that's the index.html matey
[03:01] <scandium> hayden, if it doesn't work because of ? etc. use " " around the whole url
[03:01] <Tomcat_> wget is good for most things...
[03:01] <Tomcat_> Yeah scandium... the shell might take some stuff.
[03:01] <prego> hayden, you might use epiphany, also
[03:01] <hayden> o
[03:01] <hayden> k
[03:02] <esher> how to update to preview if i use 5.04 develop ?
[03:02] <farruinn> maybe the firefox bug is x86 specific because I can certainly download on ppc...
[03:02] <hayden> ok
[03:02] <farruinn> esher: you are using the preview release =)
[03:02] <M_Fatih> hi al.. i'm a gentoo user, i want to use ubuntu. i have questions, how can i contorl & add/remove my initscripts, how can i change runlevels this scripts..
[03:02] <ohgood> hayden: works fine here, cp directly to your address bar in FF
[03:02] <esher> a ok, nice :)
[03:02] <prego> hayden, besides, it has worked for me with wget; wget "url you pasted"
[03:02] <hayden> yep me too
[03:02] <Lin> Hi all!
[03:03] <Lin> Which package I have install  to allow Rhythmbox play mp3 files?
[03:03] <farruinn> M_Fatih: ubuntu doesn't really do the runlevel thing. IIRC runlevels 2-6 or something are identical
[03:03] <farruinn> Lin: gstreamer0.8-mad from universe
[03:04] <membreya> tired of crack-attack now :)
[03:04] <farruinn> M_Fatih: I'll admit though, I know virtually nothing about runlevels
[03:04] <farruinn> probably because I've always used some form of Debian ;)
[03:04] <M_Fatih> what do i do? use a gtk based runlevel tool?
[03:04] <WZot> Lin: You should check this: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#codecs :)
[03:05] <keffo> Lin, use xmms instead.. thats my opinion
[03:05] <thoreauputic> M_Fatih: what do you want to do? debian runlevels are different
[03:05] <Lin> Second: I found a bug in S.O discovery in installation, my windows was found 2 times, giving a warning when trying to install lilo (normal users will be scared) . Grub didn't works very well anyway, it didn't erase my previos lilo version giving LI 9999999 error.
[03:05] <Lin> WZot,  thank you, I will read.
[03:05] <farruinn> Lin, keffo: beep-media-player is a nice gtk2 player based on xmms , you might like it
[03:05] <Gaaruto> keffo, i prefere amarok (but it need kdelib...)
[03:05] <keffo> ohgood, ill check
[03:06] <M_Fatih> thoreauputic, how? can you post a link for debian's runlevel management?
[03:06] <Lin> keffo, I'm just testing a plain user installation. Trying do deploy ubuntu in some companies.
[03:06] <keffo> okok
[03:06] <Lin> fabbione, there is in repositories?
[03:06] <thoreauputic> M_Fatih: just say what you are trying to do - runlevels may not be the answer at all
[03:06] <farruinn> Lin: you have to have universe enabled, check out the ubuntuguide.org
[03:06] <ikaro> hellas
[03:06] <Lin> fabbione, ok.. universe is on..
[03:07] <Lin> sorry.. farruinn  :-D
[03:07] <fabbione> Lin ?
[03:07] <fabbione> ah ok
[03:07] <fabbione> ehe
[03:07] <M_Fatih> hmm. i want to add a initscript to runlevel 5
[03:07] <M_Fatih> how can i do it? or disable
[03:07] <thoreauputic> M_Fatih: manipulation of runlevels is hardly ever needed in debian
[03:07] <Lin> add should be done with update-rc.d program
[03:07] <WZot> Lin: ubuntuguide.org has a lot of information on what you need to get your system to be a multimedia computer :) Also tells you how to get stuff like Java etc working.
[03:07] <thoreauputic> M_Fatih: read about update-rc,d
[03:08] <M_Fatih> hah. i want to this... :)
[03:08] <thoreauputic> M_Fatih: scripts are in /etc/init.d
[03:08] <Lin> M_Fatih, then.. do it! :-D
[03:08] <M_Fatih> i know
[03:08] <thoreauputic> M_Fatih: update-rc,d is easy to use
[03:08] <Lin> Someone know about those errors above?
[03:09] <M_Fatih> ok. i need this.. in gentoo i do it with rc-update..
[03:09] <Lin> (I'm using hoary testing installation)
[03:09] <thoreauputic> M_Fatih: similar, probably (I don't know gentoo)
[03:10] <Lin> There is another problem. After dpkg-reconfigure locales, and add my locales, when gnome started it says pt_BR locales didn't exist, rolling back to defaults POSIX/C.
[03:10] <thoreauputic> Lin, you have your languge pack installed?
[03:11] <Lin> thoreauputic, only en-us..
[03:11] <thoreauputic> *language
[03:11] <Lin> thoreauputic, this is a new ubuntu package isn't it?
[03:11] <thoreauputic> Lin, well, how will pt_BR show up if it isn't installed ?
[03:12] <thoreauputic> Lin, in hoary I believe, yes
[03:12] <mdke> does anyone know of an easy document which will help me set up procmail for use with evolution?
[03:12] <Lin> there is no language to pt_br
[03:12] <mdke> i don't know the first thing about email
[03:12] <farruinn> mdke: why do you need to use procmail with evolution?
[03:12] <Lin> there is only pt.. hmmm
[03:12] <Lin> I will try
[03:13] <mdke> farruinn, i am considering the possibility of subscribing to the wiki and there are a lot of emails coming in
[03:13] <scizzo> mdke: if you use evolution you can do filters in the application
[03:13] <mdke> scizzo, yeah i do that currently
[03:13] <mdke> scizzo, someone gave me a script for making stats out of the wiki subscription emails, and he said that I should use procmail
[03:13] <Lin> Another think, hoady didn't intall nvidia-glx drivers, but my video card is a nvidia driver, is this right?
[03:14] <scizzo> Lin: nvidia drivers are non-free
[03:14] <scizzo> Lin: you need to install from universe... or something simular
[03:14] <Lin> scizzo, ok, same policy as debian?
[03:14] <scizzo> Lin: the Wiki has most answers....
[03:15] <Lin> scizzo, I will stop to ask and read right now. Thank you for all help!
[03:15] <thoreauputic> Lin,  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:15] <scizzo> Lin: might be good to check the wiki out anyway
[03:15] <scizzo> :)
[03:15] <Lin> thoreauputic, It's already running, I just want to know why this is isn't installed by default! :-D
[03:16] <mdke> scizzo, do you have any suggestions for me, as I said I don't understand much about email
[03:16] <memcmeme> These Nvidia drivers are outsanding
[03:16] <memcmeme> I am getting a better framerate in UT2k4 on the same hardware
[03:16] <Lin> memcmeme,  UT2k4 runs better in linux..
[03:16] <memcmeme> wierd
[03:17] <thoreauputic> memcmeme: why weird?
[03:17] <Lin> away
[03:17] <memcmeme> you would think with Direct 3d XP would have an advante but it doesn't
[03:17] <shmoolik> DAMN I love my UbuntuLinux http://img91.exs.cx/img91/4566/screenshot1cd.jpg
[03:17] <shmoolik> all though i can't print ps with it :)
[03:18] <scizzo> mdke: read others that has setup procmail...the problem you have is that you might need to setup smtp, fetchmail and procmail
[03:18] <Lin> Ubuntu team made changes in synaptic? Cause it is amazing!
[03:18] <M_Fatih> i love console apps, can you suggest package to install for my ubuntu?.. (ubuntu spesific tools)
[03:18] <mdke> scizzo, :( sounds difficult
[03:18] <scizzo> mdke: _but_ maybe evolution can filter all mails through procmail
[03:18] <Lin> Another tip, put pppoe support in instalattion :-) adsl user will love it.
[03:18] <prego> shmoolik, why can't you print ps with it??
[03:18] <kickrocks> i just got 10 ubuntu install / live cd's in the mail
[03:18] <kickrocks> bill never did that
[03:18] <kickrocks> thanks
[03:18] <scizzo> mdke: what I don't understand is that if you are only using evolution...then why can't you use the system they have for filters?
[03:19] <shmoolik> prego,  i don't know
[03:19] <thoreauputic> M_Fatih: mostly similar to debian tools - apt-get, dpkg etc
[03:19] <shmoolik> now i neeed to study i will find out latter
[03:19] <prego> shmoolik, did you try directly from command line? (lpr file.ps) or (lpr -Pprinter_name file.ps) ?
[03:19] <shmoolik> no .... i think i will try now
[03:19] <shmoolik> thanks
[03:20] <mdke> scizzo, perhaps the problem is my lack of understanding how these systems work
[03:20] <scizzo> mdke: what exactly do you want to do?
[03:20] <electricwheels> Good Morning all
[03:20] <scizzo> mdke: maybe that would help a lot...
[03:20] <thoreauputic> shmoolik: awww! cute kitten! :D
[03:20] <shmoolik> thanks
[03:20] <mdke> scizzo, ok
[03:20] <dwa_> good morning electricwheels
[03:21] <dwa_> although it's 3pm here
[03:21] <dwa_> :)
[03:21] <membreya> thoreauputic: .. i have bad news for you buddy
[03:21] <shmoolik> bash: plr: command not found
[03:21] <shmoolik> prego,  look up
[03:21] <smckay> Anyone have info on running a Microtek scanner under Ubuntu?  Ive seen mention of a microtek kernel driver, but haven't found it.
[03:21] <mdke> scizzo, i access my email in a webinterface when at school, and with evolution at home, and I don't leave them on the remote server. I want to subscribe to the wiki, but I know that I will get hundreds of emails at a time, and really the only thing that interests me is to use the scripts that I have been given which can make stats out of the emails which arrive
[03:22] <prego> shmoolik, lpr
[03:22] <shmoolik> damn it works
[03:22] <Myrtti> subscribe to wiki?
[03:22] <membreya> thoreauputic: that kitten is from winxp :P
[03:22] <electricwheels> I have a problem and I was wondering if anyone can help me?  I have installed Ubuntu with windows xp  and I can't get the bootloader to start windows.  It starts ubuntu no problem but with windows I get and error unknown operating system.
[03:22] <shmoolik> yeah my bad :))
[03:22] <thoreauputic> membreya: oh?
[03:22] <shmoolik> damn man thanks!!!!!!
[03:22] <prego> shmoolik, :-))
[03:22] <mastertet> When I plug my usbdisk, I get 2 popup windows (usbdisk and usbdisk-1). Only usbdisk-1 contains data. How can I solve this issue?
[03:22] <thoreauputic> membreya: haha - I don't care - it's still cute :)
[03:22] <ohgood> electricwheels: your grub.conf is pointing to the wrong place. or other things
[03:22] <dwa_> is windows xp in your grub menu.lst electricwheels ?
[03:22] <M_Fatih> thanks all, i like ubuntu, i change my linux distro.. :) gentoo to ubuntu..
[03:23] <mdke> M_Fatih, :)
[03:23] <scizzo> mdke: ???????
[03:23] <scizzo> mdke: stats out of e-mail?
[03:23] <thoreauputic> M_Fatih: welcome :)
[03:23] <mdke> yes
[03:23] <mastertet> M_Fatih, me too, gentoo to ubuntu :)
[03:23] <ohgood> anyone have a HOWTO for freevo installation ?
[03:23] <M_Fatih> :)
[03:23] <scizzo> mdke: what stats?
[03:23] <flawd-afk> trying to compile quakeforge. says /lib/cpp fails sanity check
[03:23] <electricwheels> when ubuntu installed itself is found windows and setup the loader and I haven't changed anything.
[03:23] <mdke> scizzo, the wiki subscriptions tell you who is doing what to which pages, and it makes stats out of that
[03:23] <mdke> heh
[03:24] <mdke> and vice versa
[03:24] <ohgood> electricwheels: paste your grub.conf to pastebin
[03:24] <flawd-afk> nevermind
[03:24] <ohgood> menu.lst, whatever
[03:24] <electricwheels> how do I go about that.
[03:24] <scizzo> mdke: okej...look...what you can do is to filter them out into different folders if that is what you are looking for...
[03:24] <ohgood> electricwheels: highlight it, and cp it to pastebin.com
[03:25] <scizzo> mdke: if not...then I don't know what you are talking about and how you are actually thinking about all this
[03:25] <electricwheels> where will i find the grub.conf
[03:25] <mdke> scizzo, ok don't worry
[03:25] <ohgood> electricwheels: in /boot/grub/
[03:25] <scizzo> electricwheels: /boot/grub/
[03:25] <mdke> scizzo, sorry if I wasn't able to be clear
[03:27] <electricwheels> there is no grub.conf in the /boot/grub
[03:27] <ohgood> menu.lst then
[03:27] <NetwrkMonkey> mmm hmmm
[03:27] <thoreauputic> electricwheels: menu.lst
[03:28] <dwa_> who wants some coffee?
[03:28] <electricwheels> that is there
[03:28] <optika> hi all, perhaps someone will be able to help me (again). Just upgraded Warty -> Hoary, and I'm getting the following error dialogue when starting gnome-theme-manager:
[03:28] <optika> "The default theme schemas could not be found on your system.  This means that you probably don't have metacity installed, or that your gconf is configured incorrectly."
[03:28] <thoreauputic> dwa_: yes, please :)
[03:28] <membreya> wow....just ran mutt...funky :P
[03:28] <optika> any suggestions? I've tried forcing a reinstall of gnome-themes, capplets, capplets-data and more.
[03:28] <mdke> oh btw, does anyone use pop3 access with gmail? is it working ok?
[03:29] <thoreauputic> membreya: look at the man page under Bugs ;)
[03:29] <membreya> mdke: working fine for me
[03:29] <dwa_> thoreauputic : are you in holland?
[03:29] <mdke> membreya, cool thanks
[03:29] <membreya> lol thoreauputic :P
[03:29] <thoreauputic> dwa_: New Holland - Australia - does that count ? *grin*
[03:29] <electricwheels> can give me the syntax for what it is that you want me to do with menu.lst and pastebin.com
[03:30] <sunboy> Hello
[03:30] <dwa_> hehe.. :)
[03:30] <membreya> mdke: just sent myself a test email to gmail and it worked fine
[03:30] <farruinn> optika: metacity is installed?
[03:30] <ohgood> Anyone know a way to force installation of freevo, and it's deps ?
[03:30] <mastertet> Someone knows how to solve the usbstick bug in hoary?
[03:30] <optika> farruinn: indeed
[03:30] <membreya> using thunderbird to get my 4 email accounts (one is local mail so it doesn't count :P)
[03:30] <optika> farruinn: I've tried reinstalling it too
[03:30] <farruinn> optika: then nuke your ~/.gconf
[03:30] <mdke> membreya, ty
[03:30] <optika> erk, k.
[03:31] <sunboy> I'm using Kubuntu 5.04 LiveCD. At bootup it assigning an IP via DHCP (but this network uses static IPs). I was wondering where I could configure my network settings (IP, gateway, nameserver, etc)
[03:31] <membreya> optika: mv it to a different file name and see if it works
[03:31] <ohgood> optika: so just rename it for a trial
[03:31] <membreya> rather than nuking it :)
[03:31] <optika> russell@zaebos ~ $ mv .gconf dot-gconf
[03:31] <optika>  :) Umm, it does the same thing :(
[03:32] <thoreauputic> optika: you logged out and in, right?
[03:32] <thoreauputic> not in that time...
[03:32] <optika> thoreauputic: I just killall'd gconfd-2
[03:32] <membreya> russell...zaebos...what sort of system / user names are those? :|
[03:32] <Lin> Downloading 262 megs :-/ will lasts 2 hours :-(
[03:32] <amiroff> can someone please advine a program to record what I listen to ?
[03:32] <membreya> Lin: 262..2 hours..ouch :(
[03:32] <Lin> gnome-sound-record
[03:32] <dwa_> lin: about 10 mins. here :)
[03:32] <thoreauputic> optika: OK :)
[03:33] <Lin> dwa_, can I borrow your net bandwith? ;-)
[03:33] <ohgood> amiroff: do you mean streaming media ?
[03:33] <optika> membreya: zaebos is a prince of hell, so named because my machine ended up getting the same IP address as a machine that used to be called lucifer (my machine naming scheme is "starts with z")
[03:33] <optika> membreya: and russell is my name ;)
[03:33] <dwa_> sure Lin , just come here, bring your laptop
[03:33] <thoreauputic> heh - 262MB would take me nearly a day !
[03:33] <dwa_> and i'll give you a cup of coffee
[03:33] <Lin> dwa_, sure! where you live?
[03:33] <dwa_> the netherlands
[03:33] <DexterF> hi
[03:34] <electricwheels> I'm sorry I have to take off right now.. I'll be back a little later bye for now and thank you for trying to help me.
[03:34] <Lin> dwa_, Wow! Coffe! I will go right now!
[03:34] <membreya> machine...naming scheme :| when I had my p4 laptop .. i just called it diab-laptop ...guess I'm unimaginative
[03:34] <dwa_> were do you live Lin ?
[03:34] <DexterF> I consider switching distros, and tho I had debian in mind there's a bunch of nonos with debian.
[03:34] <Lin> dwa_, near of you.. Brazil
[03:34] <dwa_> lol
[03:35] <dwa_> we'll come to brazil then :)
[03:35] <membreya> just across antarctica :)
[03:35] <amiroff> ohgood: yes, I'd like to record radios, while listening to them
[03:35] <garrut> dwa_ can i come too?
[03:35] <dwa_> sure garrut
[03:35] <garrut> sweet
[03:35] <ohgood> amiroff: streamripper
[03:35] <dwa_> where do you live?
[03:35] <DexterF> so - is ubuntu just debian with some extra tools, can I just install debian packages on it, does it have the same dep tracking? or is it different altogether?
[03:35] <Lin> dwa_, Coming to brazil, please contact me!
[03:35] <garrut> i'm sitting next to you
[03:35] <Lin> dwa_, I live in Rio de Janeiro
[03:35] <dwa_> cooool
[03:35] <thoreauputic> amiroff: streamripper
[03:35] <dwa_> ok garrut
[03:35] <dwa_> let's get some coffee
[03:35] <thoreauputic> ohgood: oops sorry ;)
[03:35] <garrut> good idea
[03:35] <Lin> dwa_, are you coming to brazil?
[03:36] <ohgood> thoreauputic: np (:
[03:36] <Lin> dwa_, really?
[03:36] <amiroff> thoreauputic: already tried that, does not play simultaneously
[03:36] <dwa_> maybe some other day :)
[03:36] <dwa_> no Lin, the bank won't let me
[03:36] <Lin> dwa_, ok! :-D
[03:36] <farruinn> optika: oh, make sure you have gtk2-engines-clealooks installed maybe
[03:36] <thoreauputic> amiroff: it does - with streamtuner
[03:36] <farruinn> optika: did you do a dist-upgrade?
[03:36] <thoreauputic> amiroff: you can start it from streamtuner
[03:36] <ohgood> amiroff: bandwidth is a crippling thing, for streaming media and ripping
[03:36] <Lin> dwa_, here is hot! Very hot.. o my god.. I will die.. It's too hot. I can't live out of servers room! ;-D
[03:37] <dwa_> hehe Lin
[03:37] <dwa_> it's pretty cold out here
[03:37] <amiroff> thoreauputic: now getting streamtuner :)
[03:37] <thoreauputic> amiroff: streamtuner is nice for shoutcast especially
[03:38] <amiroff> ohgood: under windows, I just play winamp and record from What You Hear specified as input with Creative sound recorder
[03:38] <Lin> back to the work! :-D dwa_ I can just imagine.. But I prefer cold than hot.
[03:38] <thoreauputic> amiroff: it has an index to the yellow pages
[03:38] <ohgood> amiroff: sorry, don't remember many wincrap-apps. streamripper will do what you desire though.
[03:38] <dwa_> Lin me 2 :)
[03:38] <thoreauputic> ohgood: streamripper is a nice app
[03:38] <nmoore> will there be any ill effects if I remove some services from runlevels that are not used?
[03:39] <amiroff> ohgood: I hope so :) thanks
[03:39] <amiroff> thoreauputic: getting excited already
[03:39] <nmoore> what i mean is services that i don't use from runlevels
[03:39] <ohgood> aye thoreauputic, the tuner was an epiphany point for me too
[03:40] <optika> farruinn: yes, I did a dist-upgrade, but the CD I did it from was very broken :( so things are quite inconsistent :(
[03:40] <optika> farruinn: seems clearlooks is installed
[03:41] <farruinn> what about ubuntu-desktop?
[03:42] <optika> it's installed and at latest version
[03:42] <goxy> anybody help me make intel 536ep
[03:43] <memcmeme> Hey guys, whats a good Linux P2P client that is Apt- get able?
[03:43] <munki> what app. can I unrar rar (3.0 ver) files with ?
[03:43] <munki> unrar can't !
[03:43] <ohgood> munki: rar e filename.rar
[03:43] <membreya> memcmeme: sudo apt-get install amule
[03:43] <thoreauputic> munki: try unrar-nonfree from multiverse
[03:44] <farruinn> optika: have you installed any themes manually?
[03:44] <hayden> how can i make keyboard shortcut to windows+d that shows the desktop?
[03:44] <memcmeme> what category will that apear under in the menu?
[03:45] <robodex> hello
[03:45] <dwa_> garrut
[03:47] <kotatsu> hayden: System -> Preferences -> Keyboard Shortcuts
[03:47] <kounavi_le_kok> hello, i have recently installed ubuntu hoary on  my powerbook G4 (15",1G, alu), and though everything seems to work just fine, the sound is rather distorted and at a very low volume. Have you got any ideas about how to solve that or where to ask?
[03:47] <kotatsu> hayden: by default ctrl + alt + d shows the desktop
[03:48] <hayden> ok thanks, ill just use that
[03:49] <kbitty> where is some great themes for ubuntu suse?
[03:49] <amiroff> thoreauputic: I just tried streamtuner but it uses xmms for playing, thus double bandwidth when recording :(
[03:49] <kbitty> like there is for suse and other distrobutions
[03:49] <hayden> kbitty: check www.gnome-look.org or www.kde-look.org
[03:49] <NetwrkMonkey> knibbutz
[03:50] <HavoK> hi there
[03:50] <thoreauputic> amiroff: how much quality do you need? I'm on dialup and I rip and listen, but on lower quality streams
[03:50] <flawd-afk> anyone that uses cedega?
[03:50] <thoreauputic> amiroff: I guess it depends how picky you are about sound
[03:51] <amiroff> thoreauputic: well, at least 96 kbs, it works great if I close xmms, but with  xmms also playing, no way, I have adsl 256k
[03:52] <thoreauputic> amiroff: yes, I guess abot 64k would be the limit for you
[03:52] <thoreauputic> *about
[03:52] <amiroff> thoreauputic: well, at least I've found a great app, it records directly to mp3 which I like very much
[03:53] <thoreauputic> amiroff: it also labels the mp3s , which is nice
[03:53] <amiroff> thoreauputic: thanks for your advice :) I really apreciate it
[03:53] <thoreauputic> amiroff: no worries :)
[03:53] <prego> cedega?
[03:54] <optika> farruinn: I've installed some manually, yes
[03:54] <thoreauputic> amiroff: BTW I found even whenthe playback goes, the ripping still seems to work OK
[03:55] <amiroff> thoreauputic: doesn't it depend on the bandwidth?
[03:55] <optika> farruinn: argh, I managed to nuke my old .gconf after all :-/
[03:55] <thoreauputic> amiroff: I assume the ripping takes precedence, in other words
[03:55] <farruinn> aplsin: it's possible those are causing problems...
[03:55] <farruinn> aplsin: sorry :(
[03:55] <farruinn> oop optika ^^^
[03:55] <thoreauputic> amiroff: I got worried when it started to rebuffer on xmms, but the ripped track sounded fine
[03:55] <optika> hrm, which is evolution's nice new imap code? "IMAP" or "IMAP4rev1" ?
[03:56] <amiroff> thoreauputic: hey , I cannot believe it, it even records to different song  files! WOW!!!!!!
[03:56] <DarkGable> are the howto doc on the website up to date... i've just install ubuntu... and i dont wanna have to do it again, because of out-dated doc  ??
[03:56] <robodex> is it normal to have 15-20 updates to hoary a day?
[03:56] <hayden> robodex, yea about that
[03:56] <amiroff> thoreauputic: I was so fed up cutting the 1 hour sets by hand on windows!!! this one really rules!
[03:56] <kotatsu> optika: rev1
[03:56] <robodex> rofl just making sure
[03:56] <optika> kotatsu: ta
[03:56] <robodex> I've got 32 updates today, after installing 200 yesterday...
[03:57] <hayden> robodex, i installed hoary from the preview release iso, and i had to dload 175MB of updates
[03:57] <hayden> yea
[03:57] <kotatsu> robodex: I have 129 updates and 5 new packages I'm installing atm =) it's been like this throughout hoary
[03:57] <robodex> just making sure
[03:57] <kotatsu> surprisingly, my machine breaks less now than when I was using Debian sid
[03:57] <robodex> I'm just glad hoary has an update manager now
[03:58] <robodex> hmm. now for a really good question. is evolution better than thunderbird as an email client?
[03:58] <amiroff> thoreauputic: I owe you some beer on a vacation to Istanbul man!
[03:58] <kalis> Hmm! I cant add my CD repo again. "Another synaptic is running
[03:58] <kalis> There is another synaptic running in interactive mode. Please close it first. "
[03:58] <kotatsu> robodex: better in what way? it's a personal preference
[03:58] <kalis> and i have no other synaptic process running.
[03:58] <kotatsu> robodex: I prefer evo, I know people who prefer thunderbird
 thoreauputic: I owe you some beer on a vacation to Istanbul man!
[03:59] <kotatsu> robodex: I even ran balsa for a while... between thunderbird and balsa I'd use balsa, but I like evo more than either
[03:59] <robodex> well I've never used evo so I uninstalled it, but I've used thunderbird on windoze since it was 0.1
[03:59] <kotatsu> robodex: evo is a PIM, thunderbird is just a mail reader
[03:59] <robodex> one thing I've found that's bad on thunderbird is the fact that if you get a LOT of spam it gets confused and filters stuff that isn't spam
[03:59] <gfxstyler> hi there
[03:59] <robodex> but skips stuff that is
[03:59] <gfxstyler> can i install kde without any ... troubles ?
[03:59] <kotatsu> robodex: you have to train the filter - make sure you mark stuff as "not spam"
[04:00] <Gaaruto> hi gfxstyler
[04:00] <Gaaruto> sure
[04:00] <Gaaruto> you can
[04:00] <gfxstyler> thanks :)
[04:00] <niciqy> does Ubuntu comes with gcc?
[04:00] <kotatsu> robodex I don't get much spam but I know one person who uses both evo and thunderbird and *much* prefers thunderbird's spam filter
[04:00] <gfxstyler> would be bad if i trash my ubuntu one day before holidays
[04:00] <kotatsu> niciqy: if you install it
[04:00] <farruinn> niciqy: of course :) sudo apt-get install build-essential will get  you going
[04:00] <niciqy> ok
[04:01] <dabi> hmm i overclocked my cpu from 2800 to 3000 mhz and added more voltage and my ubuntu stop working... i restored it and now works fine.. w.t.h? i have goot cooler on it and should be fine..
[04:01] <goxy> anybody help me make work intel 536ep
[04:01] <robodex> kotatsu: I get well over 400 spams a day, so even with marking stuff as not spam I still get alot of stuff I shouldn't be getting
[04:01] <kotatsu> dabi: that's overclocking for you
[04:01] <thoreauputic_> amiroff: sorry, cut off by ISP
[04:02] <amiroff> thoreauputic: np :)
[04:02] <niciqy> woohoo install now!!
[04:02] <amiroff> flawd: thanks :)
[04:02] <dabi> kotatsu: ? well.. "overclocking" i only changed the bios settings..
[04:02] <kotatsu> dabi: and?
[04:02] <kotatsu> dabi: the whole point of running cpus at their recommended speed is stability
[04:02] <thoreauputic> amiroff: did you try a 64k stream?
[04:02] <HavoK> i'm trying to use amarok with mysql, so i'm creating a database for it. But I can't log on because I don't know the password,, any idea/suggestion?
[04:02] <gfxstyler> and can i remove all gnome apps from ubuntu and swap them with kde apps ?
[04:03] <kotatsu> dabi: if you can squeeze a few extra MHz out great, but it's not unexpected that it makes your system unstable
[04:03] <Lin> gfxstyler, ubuntu is build over gnome. You can install kde and run it anyway
[04:03] <farruinn> gfxstyler: sounds like you could have used the kubuntu preview cd that just came out
[04:04] <Lin> I really prefer Gnome interface
[04:04] <Lin> Kde has good applications, but the worse interface.
[04:04] <gfxstyler> farruinn: yes i was somehow stupid :D
[04:05] <farruinn> gfxstyler: not that, the timing was just bad :)
[04:05] <niciqy> is there a way to set my $PATH to the java folder instead of exporting PATH everytime i open a new terminal?? I tried adding the PATH into .bash_profile but it doesnt work!!
[04:05] <gfxstyler> farruinn: i guess i keep gnome and kde both
[04:05] <kotatsu> niciqy: did you install java using java-package?
[04:05] <niciqy> kotatsu
[04:05] <niciqy> kotatsu: yes
[04:06] <robodex> arg... how can I import the gpg keys for the debian unstable rep?
[04:06] <amiroff> thoreauputic: I am currently recording 128k stream without a hitch
[04:06] <amiroff> thoreauputic: and later adding all completed songs to my playlist, that is all I wanted
[04:06] <kotatsu> niciqy: it should just work - typing "java" at a prompt doesn't run it?
[04:06] <thoreauputic> amiroff: cool
[04:07] <kotatsu> niciqy: or are you talking about an additional folder you want in your classpath?
[04:07] <niciqy> kotatsu: no, i need to set the PATH to the folder i installed it to
[04:07] <alex__> how can i compile a kernel just like ubuntus standard kernel. the only change i have to do it patching the kernel with one patch. i need the same modules
[04:07] <kotatsu> $ type java
[04:07] <kotatsu> java is /usr/bin/java
[04:08] <gfxstyler> should i install the ubuntu kde or install the official kde from their website ?
[04:08] <amiroff> thoreauputic: I thought it would record as one file and I would get the songs I don't want, that's why I wanted to be able to listen at the same time
[04:08] <kotatsu> niciqy: unless you did something odd to your alternatives you should have a java symlink sitting in /usr/bin
[04:08] <kbitty> how do i make python daemon mode/
[04:08] <kbitty> ?
[04:08] <niciqy> kotatsu: its not in /usr/bin
[04:08] <kotatsu> hmmm
[04:09] <amiroff> thoreauputic: but since it rips records to many songs, no problem :))
[04:09] <brrrt> hello, i need help for downloading ubuntu with bittorrent on a debian woody machine (in the shell)
[04:09] <thoreauputic> amiroff: ah I see - but it's smart and finds the files and labels them!
[04:09] <kotatsu> dpkg -l | grep sun - that reports that the j2sdk is installed?
[04:09] <niciqy> kotatsu: how do I add the folder into my classpath then?
[04:09] <thoreauputic> amiroff: all done by the cli streamripper - nice, isn't it?
[04:10] <kotatsu> -cp
[04:10] <kotatsu> or set $CLASSPATH
[04:11] <kotatsu> note that if you add it to ~/.bash_profile that's only for login shells... add it to ~/.bashrc if you want it everywhere (.bashrc is sourced by .bash_profile by default)
[04:11] <gfxstyler> see you later
[04:11] <niciqy> kotatsu: I will try
[04:11] <amiroff> thoreauputic: well, I must say, this is one of my killer linux apps now !
[04:12] <thoreauputic> amiroff: yes, mine too :)
[04:15] <niciqy> kotatsu: yes, its workING!!!!!
[04:16] <kotatsu> niciqy: cool
[04:16] <electricwheels> Good morning again.
[04:16] <ohgood> hmm, had to upgrade first, but now apparently nvidia-patch works fine.. wonder if that was the only problem.
[04:18] <electricwheels> I'm back to see what I can get accomplished with my grub problem I still can't get grub to load my windows xp and when I had to leave I was being told to cp /boot/grub/menu.lst to pastebin.com can we please continue from there.
[04:18] <ohgood> electricwheels: did you past it somewhere ?
[04:18] <electricwheels> no I haven't done that
[04:18] <suifur> any of you guys have any experience in setting up a WG511 Netgear wireless card (prism54 chipset)? I've never set up wireless on linux in my life, and I'm terrible w/ it in Windows. I'm doing it in Ubuntu and the card was detected but I can't seem to get it to assign itself its own dhcp and when I set it static i still get nothing as far as a connection. I've taken off WEP/WPA for now to see if I can even just get the laptop to connect but still no
[04:18] <suifur> thing.
[04:19] <ohgood> electricwheels: paste it to pastebin, then we can help
[04:19] <bretzel> Hi there :-) -- mmm reading here about nvidia but I logged late, is there a fix for that kernel in the ubuntu preview ?
[04:19] <electricwheels> so I go to a terminal and do the command cp menu.lst pastebin.com ?
[04:19] <membreya> suifur: set your SSID?
[04:19] <ohgood> electricwheels: no.
[04:20] <suifur> membreya: yup, the network has been working with another laptop already and now I want to add this one
[04:20] <dirk_> arhg what a bad distro
[04:20] <ohgood> electricwheels: cp /boot/grub/menu.lst ~/                 then open it with a text editor, and cp the contents to pastebin
[04:20] <suifur> dirk_: we don't need any trolls here
[04:20] <dwa_> why dirk_ ?
[04:20] <yongjian> ok, has anybody have problem on they display resolution after upgrade from yesterday? Mine was on 1600x1200 and now, it can only up to 1280x1024. This is really pissing me off
[04:20] <yongjian> Please help
[04:20] <dirk_> no I know, but  loggin in is know a trouble
[04:21] <dirk_> know = now
[04:21] <kotatsu> yongjian: using hoary or warty?
[04:21] <yongjian> hoary
[04:21] <dirk_> pfff hoary i think
[04:21] <nmoore> yongjian: there's a tool in gnome for resolution, or you might need to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:21] <thoreauputic> dirk_:  cat /etc/issue
[04:21] <yongjian> I did
[04:21] <kotatsu> yongjian: can you provide a link to your Xorg log and config file?
[04:21] <yongjian> Ubuntu 5.04 "Hoary Hedgehog" Development Branch \n \l
[04:22] <dirk_> ? thoreauputic
[04:22] <yongjian> ya, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20425
[04:22] <membreya> dirk_: /cat /proc/version :P
[04:22] <thoreauputic> dirk_: that command will say whether you have warty or hoary
[04:22] <yongjian> I posted on ubuntu forum but nobody seems to know anything
[04:23] <dirk_> inux version 2.6.10-4-386 (buildd@mcmurdo) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-8 ubuntu2)) #1 Thu Mar 10 03:25:00 GMT 2005
[04:23] <yongjian> Linux version 2.6.10-4-386 (buildd@mcmurdo) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-8ubuntu2)) #1 Sat Mar 12 11:09:25 GMT 2005
[04:23] <garrut> is 1600x1200 in your x.org yongjian?
[04:23] <thoreauputic> membreya: who's the sadist now?
[04:23] <yongjian> yes
[04:23] <membreya> :)
[04:23] <yongjian> YES
[04:23] <dirk_> the only thing i like is x.orhg
[04:24] <thoreauputic> dirk_: well, then install linspire
[04:24] <ohgood> lol
[04:24] <kotatsu> yongjian: the xorg.conf file you posted to that thread only goes up to 1280x1024
[04:24] <dirk_> nope, too much resources
[04:24] <yongjian> haha...well I like ubuntu so I will try to fix it
[04:24] <ohgood> wb electricwheels
[04:24] <dwa_> what is it you don't like then dirk_ ?
[04:24] <M_Fatih> 1600x1200.. huh.. :)
[04:24] <thoreauputic> dirk_: we're getting the impression you're low on resources, indeed
[04:25] <yongjian> you should see that virtual size 1600x1200
[04:25] <ohgood> thoreauputic: lol - again :)
[04:25] <electricwheels> thnks
[04:25] <dirk_> not impressed of loggin in as root, when you're a user
[04:25] <ohgood> electricwheels: got it pasted somewhere ?
[04:25] <kotatsu> dirk_: whatcha mean? sudo?
[04:26] <thoreauputic> dirk_: you should *never* login as root  - you should use sudo or sudo -s
[04:26] <ohgood> dirk_: i thought it was odd there was no root passwd setup during install, it's not hard to fix though ;)
[04:26] <dirk_> yeah or loggin in Konsole as root
[04:26] <Jesterace> has anyone built e17 on ubuntu?
[04:26] <dirk_> loggin in as root is stupid
[04:26] <thoreauputic> dirk_: really done your homework, haven't you?
[04:26] <dirk_> not with ubuntu
[04:26] <dwa_> Jesterace i did
[04:27] <dwa_> i used .debs
[04:27] <Jesterace> ahh
[04:27] <thoreauputic> dirk_: obviously read the FAQ and all the install screens...
[04:27] <dirk_> that's the reason i going back to sid
[04:27] <ohgood> dirk_: what's wrong with logging in as root?
[04:27] <suifur> membreya: http://pastebin.ca/7700  <--- there's what that section of my /etc/network/interfaces looks like
[04:27] <yongjian>                Modes           "1600x1200" "1280x1024" "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" "720x400" "640x480"
[04:27] <electricwheels> I have it save in file in my home folder
[04:27] <yongjian> This setting is in the xorg.conf file
[04:27] <kotatsu> yongjian: that's different from your xorg file from the thread you linked
[04:27] <ohgood> electricwheels: ok, open it with an editor, or your filer, and paste the contents to pastbin.com
[04:27] <yongjian> that is the Xorg.0.log file
[04:28] <membreya> suifur: any particular reason you have the channel #'d out?
[04:28] <suifur> membreya: no not really
[04:28] <membreya> thoreauputic: but thats the basis of all religion :P
[04:28] <membreya> suifur: uncomment it and make sure it's set to the correct channel
[04:28] <thoreauputic> membreya: not mine :)
[04:28] <dirk_> the prob is that it not handles like debian
[04:28] <suifur> membreya: ok, it's done, gonna try and start it
[04:29] <membreya> worshiping yourself does not count as a religion thoreauputic
[04:29] <kotatsu> dirk_: so? just because it's different doesn't mean it's bad
[04:29] <thoreauputic> dirk_: then install debian, idiot
[04:29] <kotatsu> dirk_: enable root if you need it (took me 2 seconds)
[04:29] <SandBender> has anyone had crash issues when using hoary with the linuxant drivers?
[04:29] <dirk_> for you maybe
[04:29] <ohgood> electricwheels: maybe you're having trouble, here's a sample of mine: http://www.pastebin.com/259697   notice the examples of wincrap boot titles
[04:29] <Jesterace> man i love bluecurve
[04:29] <kotatsu> dirk_: ubuntu is debian, just configured for normal people to use out of the box
[04:29] <SandBender> driverwrapper rather
[04:29] <kotatsu> dirk_: you can always change settings later
[04:30] <Jesterace> hehe my ubuntu almost looks like fedora heh
[04:30] <electricwheels> thanks
[04:30] <membreya> want a real headache dirk_ ...try gentoo
[04:30] <ohgood> Jesterace: lol, the kernel, or what ? hmm
[04:30] <deFrysk> Jesterace, geez
[04:30] <suifur> membreya: still nothing
[04:30] <Jesterace> ohgood, naw i have the bluecurve metacity theme :P
[04:30] <membreya> heathen Jesterace
[04:30] <deFrysk> Jesterace,  now make it boot as slow as fedora
[04:30] <domtar> lol
[04:30] <membreya> suifur: how are you bringing the interface up and down ?
[04:30] <kotatsu> dirk_: so what are you trying to change, exactly? just want to have the root account active? or login to gnome as root? what?
[04:30] <thoreauputic> membreya: your comment on my religion - umm - I will take as light hearted...
[04:30] <ohgood> Jesterace: gui sstuffs don't count, i can make my gentoo 'look like' wincrap Longhorn if i wish ;)
[04:31] <membreya> thoreauputic: it was very much light hearted and I intended no offence :)
[04:31] <suifur> well i was using the network-admin tool, and I have also been trying ifup eth0 and ifdown eth0
[04:31] <conner> yongjian: are those modes listed in the "Depth" section that corresponds to the depth you're using?
[04:31] <thoreauputic> membreya: OK no worries :)
[04:31] <ohgood> electricwheels: that help any ?
[04:32] <vaijr2002> hi ho everyone
[04:32] <vaijr2002> quick question
[04:32] <ohgood> slow answer ;)
[04:32] <Jesterace> hehe and i could make xp look like gnome if i wanted to :P
[04:32] <thoreauputic> ohgood: haha
[04:32] <fr500> hello, i'm doing a script to restore something from the previous day, how do i get yesterday's date?
[04:32] <vaijr2002> to mount a partition....i make the directory, and then mount it, then edit fstab to make sure its there?
[04:32] <ohgood> Jesterace: but that's no fun, and less productive ;)
[04:32] <electricwheels> I'm not sure as to how I'm supposed to paste my file to pastebin.com that part I'm confused about.
[04:32] <kotatsu> fr500: $ man date
[04:32] <alex__> how can i compile a kernel just like ubuntus standard kernel. the only change i have to do it patching the kernel with one patch. i need the same modules
[04:33] <membreya> suifur: what does dmesg say?
[04:33] <ohgood> vaijr2002: don't go editing fstab while it's mounted, thought we coverd this ;)
[04:33] <Jesterace> whoah
[04:33] <kotatsu> fr500: I'm not sure on the exact syntax you're looking for though... you can format it in a lot of different ways
[04:33] <vaijr2002> ok
[04:33] <Jesterace> just got a crap load of ubuntu discs in the mail
[04:33] <Jesterace> :D
[04:33] <dirk_> is sudo really safe?
[04:33] <Echylo> omg
[04:33] <Echylo> 192 updates
[04:33] <ohgood> electricwheels: don't worry, just look at mine:  http://www.pastebin.com/259697
[04:33] <Echylo> are they getting crazy :p
[04:33] <membreya> been off the net for a while Echylo ? :)
[04:33] <vaijr2002> so make the dir like mkdir /mnt       /windows?
[04:33] <membreya> Echylo: array7 :)
[04:34] <Jesterace> wow
[04:34] <Echylo> ow :)
[04:34] <ohgood> vaijr2002: i like to mount stuffs to /mnt/      so i always know where they are... and they're farther from /
[04:34] <Echylo> yea been off 2 days
[04:34] <Jesterace> i have like 5 official ubuntu x86 discs :P
[04:34] <CarlK_> is the rsync server having trouble?
[04:34] <yongjian> ok the last two posts are mine. I've got my Xorg.0.log file and xorg.conf file all there. Here is the link: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=98577#post98577
[04:34] <vaijr2002> so that was right
[04:34] <suifur> membreya: it says "eth0: mgmt tx queue is still full" over and over
[04:34] <robodex> anyone know how to get compositing working in xfce? I compiled it with the compositor, but it's not working, even with compositing enabled in my xorg.conf
[04:34] <fr500> kotatsu, i have this command: cat /tmp/filename_$(date +%m-%d-%Y)
[04:34] <CarlK_> I am not getting any responce with $ rsync -avP cdimage.ubuntulinux.org::cdimage/daily-live/current/hoary-live-i386.iso ./hoary-live-i386.iso
[04:34] <vaijr2002> mkdir /mnt /windows
[04:34] <robodex> (I'm running hoary)
[04:34] <niciqy> I am using virtual PC to run my Ubuntu, is there anyway to mount one of my NTFS to Ubuntu so I can share file between windows and linux?
[04:34] <fr500> kotatsu, i need yesterday's date instead
[04:34] <ohgood> vaijr2002: no
[04:34] <vaijr2002> eeek
[04:34] <ohgood> vaijr2002: you aren't thinking in full paths
[04:35] <vaijr2002> hmm
[04:35] <ohgood> vaijr2002: if you mkdir /mnt/         it will err
[04:35] <Mitario> hi everyone
[04:35] <ohgood> vaijr2002: you HAVE TO use FULL PATHS when making dir's... ie     mkdir /mnt/whatever
[04:35] <dirk_> hallo Mitario
[04:35] <Mitario> is it possible to install ubuntu on an external usb-ide disk?
[04:35] <dirk_> als het boot van usb wel
[04:35] <vaijr2002> so mkdir /mnt/windows?
[04:35] <selinium_> thoreauputic: hi there again! wht is the -s flag for in the sudo thang?
[04:36] <ohgood> vaijr2002: now you're getting it
[04:36] <Mitario> dirk_ engels ;-)
[04:36] <vaijr2002> then mount the partition to that dir
[04:36] <ohgood> vaijr2002: i you choose
[04:36] <ohgood> s/i/if
[04:36] <dirk_> yeah what ever
[04:36] <Mitario> i have a q-tech usb-ide thingy, but the installer did not recognize it
[04:36] <Mitario> what modules do i need to load?
[04:36] <vaijr2002> like mount /dev/hdb /mnt/windows?
[04:36] <niciqy> ...................................
[04:36] <dirk_> tried debian?
[04:37] <ohgood> vaijr2002: NO!
[04:37] <gfxstyler> back
[04:37] <vaijr2002> damn
[04:37] <kotatsu> yongjian: your refresh and sync values look low... my home panel runs at 60/81
[04:37] <Mitario> dirk_ for what?
[04:37] <yongjian> conner: that's actually the problem. The mode is starting from 1600x1200 but I can only get that size which bigger than my screen
[04:37] <gfxstyler> all apps look weird with kde, why is this ?
[04:37] <ohgood> vaijr2002: you have to start understanding PARTITIONS nad MOUNTPOINTS
[04:37] <kotatsu> yongjian: try commenting out the "horizsync" and "vertrefresh" lines and restarting X
[04:37] <ohgood> vaijr2002: mounting a device to a partition is your misconceptiong
[04:37] <vaijr2002> hmm
[04:37] <yongjian> kotatsu: well that's dpkg-reconfigure figured out
[04:37] <kotatsu> yongjian: comment 'em out =)
[04:37] <yongjian> Tried, it gives me 640x480
[04:38] <kotatsu> yongjian: oh
[04:38] <Tuxicity> niciqy, u can read NTFS in Linux, but you cant write to it
[04:38] <kotatsu> well then raise the upper limits
[04:38] <ohgood> vaijr2002: we've been over this for 2 weeks, either start taking notes (GET A NOTEBOOK) or giveup :)
[04:38] <vaijr2002> ok so its mount /hdb /mnt/windows?
[04:38] <vaijr2002> lol
[04:38] <kotatsu> yongjian: probably on your horizsync
[04:38] <thoreauputic> selinium_: sorry, afk
[04:38] <yongjian> kotatsu: what size of your monitor?
[04:38] <kotatsu> 1280x1024
[04:38] <vaijr2002> grrr why cant i just say mount /hdb /mnt/windows
[04:38] <ohgood> vaijr2002: i've told you, more than needed.. now start taking notes.
[04:39] <membreya> suifur: you speak german ? :)
[04:39] <yongjian> I was able to go to 1600x1200. I have 2001FP
[04:39] <LinuxJones> gfxstyler, maybe your fonts need adjusting or a new theme maybe ?
[04:39] <CarlK_> you can write to ntfs with captive-ntfs, just not wiht the linux-ntfs code
[04:39] <thoreauputic> selinium_: the -s flag in sudo gives you a root shell with your usual environment, path etc
[04:39] <niciqy> Tuxicity: so it impossible to share file between windows and linux??
[04:39] <Xappe> vaijr2002, /devhdb
[04:39] <electricwheels> in your example it has rootnoverify and In mine it just has root
[04:39] <Xappe> vaijr2002, /dev/hdb
[04:39] <electricwheels> does that make a difference
[04:39] <vaijr2002> hmm
[04:39] <ohgood> electricwheels: yes, it should
[04:39] <kotatsu> yongjian: yes, try raising your horizsync to see if it lets you get that res back
[04:39] <Tuxicity> niciqy, no sorry, CarlK_ is right, you can use Captive-NTFS
[04:39] <thoreauputic> niciqy: you can share files
[04:40] <robodex> anyone know how to get compositing working in xfce? I compiled it with the compositor, but it's not working, even with compositing enabled in my xorg.conf
[04:40] <ohgood> electricwheels: you need to make sure it's pointing to the correct partition, also.
[04:40] <yongjian> ok, then what should I put in?
[04:40] <vaijr2002> grrr
[04:40] <vaijr2002> lol
[04:40] <optika> Tuxicity, niciqy: the other way to do it (since you're using vmware) is to share the folder out on your windows box, and connect to it using the linux virtual machine.
[04:40] <ohgood> vaijr2002: where is your notebook ?
[04:40] <electricwheels> as far as I know it is hd0,0
[04:40] <yongjian> kotatsu: Like what you have?
[04:40] <vaijr2002> is there a partitiion manager in ubuntu
[04:40] <vaijr2002> i dont kow
[04:40] <vaijr2002> know
[04:40] <ohgood> electricwheels: that would be harddrive 0, partition 1
[04:40] <yongjian> 60-81, do you think that would do? I can try that
[04:41] <ohgood> vaijr2002: where is your notebook ?
[04:41] <kotatsu> yongjian: actually here's the problem: (WW) (1600x1200,DELL 2001FP) mode clock 160.833MHz exceeds DDC maximum 160MHz
[04:41] <electricwheels> I'll give you the error that I get when I try to start windows from the loader
[04:41] <ohgood> vaijr2002: you have a learning problem. write things down to help you.
[04:41] <vaijr2002> ok got one open
[04:41] <vaijr2002> i am
[04:41] <kotatsu> just try upping your horizsync limit to like 90 or something
[04:41] <kotatsu> then restart X
[04:41] <kotatsu> not sure if that'll make a difference, I'm not a display guru
[04:41] <vaijr2002> so i mkdir /mnt /windows ?
[04:41] <selinium_> thoreauputic: cheers fot that!
[04:41] <niciqy> optika: sorry i didnt get it. Linux is in the virtual PC, windows is what I am using. I got no idea how to share
[04:41] <ohgood> vaijr2002: mount /dev/hda* /mnt/DATA           with * being hte partition number, and /mnt/DATA the mount opint you've createed already
[04:41] <kotatsu> but that line I pasted above is your problem
[04:42] <_Demian_> vaijr2002, http://ubuntuguide.org/#qtparted
[04:42] <ohgood> vaijr2002: this is the end of the mount lesson.
[04:42] <HcE> How can I change desktops with the wheel on my mouse in Gnome?
[04:42] <HcE> should I set something up?
[04:42] <yongjian> kotatsu: ok but I will give it a try.
[04:42] <kotatsu> I don't know if upping the horizsync increases your video card frequency
[04:42] <thoreauputic> HcE: you can't
[04:42] <electricwheels> root  (hd0,0)     filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x7  savedefault   makeactive   chainloader +1
[04:42] <optika> niciqy: first, you need to make sure that networking between the virtual pc and the windows install is working
[04:42] <optika> niciqy: then, share out the folder from your windows box as you normally would
[04:42] <HcE> thoreauputic: ah, so broken... :( I was giving a shot converting from Openbox
[04:42] <optika> niciqy: then, connect to it from the linux virtual pc.
[04:42] <ohgood> electricwheels: as root, do: fdisk -l           and see if you are pointing to the correct partition
[04:42] <garrut> HcE, just hold your mousepointer over the workspace switcher and scroll
[04:43] <yongjian> kotatsu, I will try that and will be right back
[04:43] <thoreauputic> HcE: i wish you could too - I use it in fluxbox
[04:43] <electricwheels> ok
[04:43] <Xappe> hmm, why do I get "NOT AUTHENTICATED" in synaptic when trying to do a regular dist-upgrade? haven't happened since december at least...
[04:43] <niciqy> optika: and how do I connect from linux?
[04:43] <ohgood> electricwheels: so you want your xp partition, that is /dev/hda1, right ?
[04:43] <thoreauputic> garrut: doesn't seem to work on warty ?
[04:43] <vaijr2002> ok gonna go read a bit
[04:43] <optika> niciqy: as you would connect to any normal smb share.
[04:43] <vaijr2002> ohgood ya gonna stick with ubuntu?
[04:43] <garrut> oh, i've got hoary, it works here
[04:43] <optika> niciqy: Umm, you probably need to install samba.
[04:44] <ohgood> vaijr2002: till i get the hang of things, then tar up root, and get back to work
[04:44] <kotatsu> niciqy: install smbfs and mount it, or browse to smb://(computer) in samba
[04:44] <vaijr2002> so ya going back to gentoo?
[04:44] <[FiDO] > can anyone help me with a dvd problem with hoary
[04:44] <thoreauputic> garrut: ah, good to know for when I upgrade
[04:44] <electricwheels> that is what is being told to me from the fdisk -l my windows boot partition is hda1
[04:44] <ohgood> vaijr2002: i never left gentoo, suse, or debian
[04:44] <vaijr2002> lol ok
[04:44] <vaijr2002> so i can use .deb packages with ubuntu?
[04:45] <ohgood> electricwheels: ok, so i'll message you a typical setup...
[04:45] <[FiDO] > i can play dvds but for some reason they run choppy
[04:45] <electricwheels> ok thankls
[04:45] <[FiDO] > I think I have all the necessary packages installed
[04:45] <niciqy> kotatsu: and where i get smbfs??
[04:45] <HcE> garrut: my mouse wheel dosn't work like that there, maybe I need to set an option somewhere?
[04:45] <LinuxJones> [FiDO] , maybe DMA is not set on your DVD/CD drive ?
[04:45] <kotatsu> $ apt-get install smbfs
[04:45] <[FiDO] > how do I fix that
[04:45] <ohgood> electricwheels: that should be all you need
[04:46] <thoreauputic> vaijr2002: just use ubuntu debs - else things can break
[04:46] <vaijr2002> okies
[04:46] <kotatsu> [FiDO] : does sudo hdparm /dev/(cdrom drive) report DMA as on?
[04:46] <vaijr2002> brb gonna go mess up my partition table lol
[04:46] <[FiDO] > I'll try that thanks
[04:46] <kotatsu> yongjian: any luck?
[04:46] <electricwheels> thanks I'll give that try and see what happens and get back to you and let you know ... thanks ever so much for the help//
[04:46] <ohgood> vaijr2002: you're going to cockup if you start with parted
[04:46] <thoreauputic> HcE: are you using hoary?
[04:46] <LinuxJones> [FiDO] , you can check by running sudo hdparm /dev/hdx (replace x with the device pointed to in ls -al /dev/cdrom)
[04:47] <ohgood> vaijr2002: use your notes, mount stuffs normally. it's _easy_
[04:47] <yongjian> kotatsu, I changed to 90 and no luck. still the same
[04:47] <kotatsu> yongjian: is your monitor supposed to run at 60 or 75 hz?
[04:47] <yongjian> kotatsu: now i am thinking if the xorg is having problem
[04:47] <HcE> thoreauputic: Warty
[04:47] <Smiler_> anyone know where the #evolution channel is hosted?
[04:47] <thoreauputic> HcE: garrut is on hoary
[04:47] <HcE> ok
[04:47] <thoreauputic> HcE: sounds like a new thing
[04:48] <yongjian> I am not sure, I could not find TECH spec for the DELL 2001FP for the official support refresh rate
[04:48] <kotatsu> yongjian: many panels are supposed to run at 60, you might lower your vertical refresh
[04:48] <yongjian> I just did dpkg-reconfigure and it detected for me
[04:48] <sabmoc> I would like to write a quick how-to for changing the default mouse cursor for xorg/ubuntu how can I find out if the wiki already has one, or if not, where should I put it?
[04:48] <niciqy> kotatsu: okie i installed it, then??
[04:48] <kotatsu> or try disabling DDC (Option "NoDDC" "true")
[04:49] <kotatsu> niciqy: just mount it as normal using the mount command: $ mount -t smbfs //computer/share /path/to/mount/dir
[04:49] <yongjian> kotatsu: where should add that Option?
[04:49] <DyGyTyL> there is one already..been reading through xorg docs all morning and still haven't been able to find my prob:P
[04:49] <kotatsu> yongjian: under your device section
[04:49] <yongjian> ok, let me try
[04:49] <wnaLinux> does anyone in here know how to change the default window manager from gdm to fvwm
[04:50] <ohgood> wnaLinux: gdm is the login manager
[04:50] <wnaLinux> oh
[04:50] <thoreauputic> wnaLinux: the window manager is metacity, actually
[04:50] <ohgood> wnaLinux: you can change WM's from gdm, if you like
[04:50] <yongjian> kotatsu: ok I just added. I will restart X again and see how that works and then see if we have to adjust the vertical refresh
[04:50] <wnaLinux> so how do I change it from metacity to fvwm
[04:50] <ohgood> no
[04:50] <LinuxJones> [FiDO] , it's not set by default probably because your cdrom device is not recognized before hdparm settings are applied
[04:51] <thoreauputic> ohgood: he might want to change the underlying wm for gnome?
[04:51] <ohgood> wnaLinux: if you want to use fvwm exclusively, (no gnome) then just login to fvwm, from gdm
[04:51] <yongjian> kotatsu: It is just weird, it was working before... :((
[04:51] <inphlict> Hello0
[04:51] <yongjian> BRB
[04:51] <ohgood> thoreauputic: agreed, unspecified
[04:51] <thoreauputic> wnaLinux: you want it under gnome?
[04:51] <inphlict> I installed mplayer using this guide
[04:51] <inphlict> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=94
[04:51] <wnaLinux> yeah
[04:51] <inphlict> how can i remove mplayer?
[04:51] <ohgood> wnaLinux: disreguard my post
[04:51] <LinuxJones> [FiDO] , :)
[04:51] <deFrysk> apt-get remove mplayer
[04:52] <deFrysk> sudo
[04:52] <Jesterace> heh grumpygroundhog
[04:52] <Jesterace> any of that work yet? :P
[04:52] <Echylo> are the ubuntu servers slow?
[04:52] <wnaLinux> so how do I change it from metacity to fvwm
[04:52] <wnaLinux> under gnome
[04:52] <deFrysk> Echylo, not realy no
[04:52] <inphlict> deFrysk: that doesn't remove it
[04:52] <Echylo> hmm
[04:52] <LinuxJones> Hi Jesterace
[04:52] <thoreauputic> wnaLinux: not sure how that's done - possibly gnome-session-properties
[04:52] <inphlict> it says the package is not insatlled
[04:52] <Jesterace> lo LinuxJones
[04:53] <Jesterace> heh i got tons of ubuntu pressed cds in the mail today :P
[04:53] <deFrysk> apt-get remove mplayer-<arch>
[04:53] <inphlict> I followed the guide so it did some custom crap
[04:53] <thoreauputic> wnaLinux: but that's a guess, frankly
[04:53] <inphlict> I get "bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'"
[04:53] <inphlict> with the command u gave me
[04:54] <deFrysk> inphlict, geez you compiled it
[04:54] <inphlict> yes I did
[04:54] <ohgood> why ?
[04:54] <inphlict> i'm a noob
[04:54] <kotatsu> yongjian: not sure what else to tell you =\ hopefully someone will respond to your post with the answer
[04:54] <inphlict> I wanted to try it
[04:54] <deFrysk> noobs dont compile
[04:54] <inphlict> I followed that guide and compiled it
[04:54] <Tuxicity> ahahaha
[04:54] <kotatsu> yongjian: display settings are really hard to troubleshoot without being in front of the screen, sometimes
[04:54] <inphlict> how can I remove it?
[04:55] <wnaLinux> so uhh you dont know how to do it?
[04:55] <inphlict> nope :(
[04:55] <thoreauputic> inphlict: there is sometimes a "make uninstall" script in the build directory
[04:55] <inphlict> I'm very new to linux
[04:55] <inphlict> let me check
[04:55] <thoreauputic> wnaLinux: I don't, no - someone does for sure - have you googled ?
[04:56] <deFrysk> inphlict, go to the folders where you installed it from and do make uninstall blah
[04:56] <deFrysk> inphlict, and hope for the best
[04:56] <inphlict> how do I do make uninstall?
[04:56] <inphlict> and why hope for the best?
[04:56] <deFrysk> sudo make uninstall
[04:57] <deFrysk> inphlict, success is not guaranteed
[04:57] <thoreauputic> inphlict: because such a script is not always included
[04:57] <ells> anyone know the difference between hoary ubuntu and kubuntu hoary, just curious
[04:57] <ohgood> hmm, hoary mplayer howto's anyone ?
[04:57] <malte`> ubuntu uses gnome, kubuntu uses kde
[04:57] <deFrysk> ohgood wikipages restricted formats
[04:57] <thoreauputic> ells: kubuntu has kde as a base
[04:57] <ells> malte' thanks
[04:57] <ells> thoreauputic, thanks
[04:57] <Tuxicity> ells, explained kubuntu.org.uk FAQ
[04:57] <ohgood> deFrysk: come again ?
[04:57] <[FiDO] > LinuxJones: I changed the hdparm.conf file to enable dma
[04:57] <ells> Tuxicity, thanks
[04:58] <ells> has anyone ever had to use the debian irc line
[04:58] <deFrysk> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[04:58] <[FiDO] > that should make it so it will be automatically enabled at boot right
[04:58] <ells> those folks are like ultra rude
[04:58] <inphlict> I get make: *** No rule to make target `uninstall'.  Stop.
[04:58] <LinuxJones> [FiDO] , ok you should be fine now :)
[04:58] <malte`> they go like "RTFM" every time
[04:58] <niciqy> does Ubuntu has gvim?
[04:58] <thoreauputic> ells: heh - thay have a reputation ;)
[04:58] <[FiDO] > thanks dude
[04:58] <LinuxJones> [FiDO] , :)
[04:58] <Seveas> niciqy, gtkvim
[04:59] <ells> thoreauputic, I almost had to curse one jerk off out
[04:59] <ohgood> deFrysk: oh, ty sir, missed that link at first
[04:59] <ells> I have debian on my desktop and ubuntu on my laptop
[04:59] <Seveas> niciqy, apt-get install vim-gtk :)
[04:59] <yongjian> kotatsu: YOU ARE THE MAN!!!!
[04:59] <thoreauputic> ells: good place to lurk, but don't mention ubuntu
[04:59] <deFrysk> yongjian, no i am ;p
[04:59] <LinuxJones> ells, stay in #ubuntu a better class of people reside here :)
[04:59] <yongjian> It is the DDC stuff that caused this problem
[04:59] <thoreauputic> ells: some of them are very knowledgable
[05:00] <ells> thoreauputic, tell me bout it, i mention that I have ubuntu on my laptop and that my wireless would not work on debian and they freaked out
[05:00] <yongjian> well, whoever figured might be the "DDC" issue is rock
[05:00] <ells> I agree that ubuntu are better folks
[05:00] <kotatsu> yongjian: it's working now?
[05:00] <thoreauputic> ells: but some of them are...er..immature
[05:00] <yongjian> kotatsu: YES. It is back to 1600x1200
[05:00] <yongjian> The DDC is the killer
[05:00] <deFrysk> ells its the irc way of talking
[05:00] <Seveas> ells, is your wireless working already?
[05:00] <robodex> anyone know how to get compositing working in xfce? I compiled it with the compositor, but it's not working, even with compositing enabled in my xorg.conf
[05:00] <kotatsu> yongjian: awesome hehe, I've had problems with DDC myself in the past, although they seem to have gone away now
[05:00] <thoreauputic> ells: well, stick with #ubuntu
[05:00] <deFrysk> ells, get used to it
[05:00] <ells> thoreauputic, I agree, one guy is from Australia and has to be like 12 years old
[05:01] <ells> deFrysk, should not have to
[05:01] <yongjian> kotatsu: This is a bug
[05:01] <ells> deFrysk, we are trying to spread linux
[05:01] <thoreauputic> ells: heh - i'm from Australia too :)
[05:01] <CarlK_> can someone try the rsync command for "Or, for live CD" on https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GettingUbuntu - I am getting errors
[05:01] <LinuxJones> ells, there are alot of good people there but a few elitist man-page-memorizing-zobies with big egos will let you know how great they are :)
[05:01] <niciqy>  Seveas: apt-get install vim-gtk :) == error
[05:01] <ells> thoreauputic, nothing personal, he was just immature
[05:01] <thoreauputic> ells: I know :)
[05:01] <ells> LinuxJones, I agree
[05:01] <Seveas> niciqy, don't copy the smily
[05:01] <Seveas> just:
[05:01] <deFrysk> ells, agree but we are also volunteers here and sometimes need to blow off some irc steam
[05:01] <Seveas> apt-get install vim-gtk
[05:01] <robodex> too many updates aaaaaa! I just updated and already I have 9 more packages to update
[05:01] <yongjian> I got a while to confim it is the DDC issue cause I commented out something else but later I figured out that is the issue
[05:01] <ells> LinuxJones, One guy was rude and said he was trying to help
[05:02] <ells> LinuxJones, I told him, really, how so
[05:02] <yongjian> kotatsu: Thank you so much for helping!
[05:02] <kotatsu> yongjian: you're welcome, glad it's working for ya now
[05:02] <yongjian> It is much better now...
[05:02] <ells> deFrysk, ,agreed, but this is a community of friends, or it should be
[05:02] <thoreauputic> ells: forget #debian, we all know what it's like: it makes an amusing spectator blood sport
[05:02] <LinuxJones> ells, I stopped going into that channel like 2 years ago because of that foolishness
[05:03] <kotatsu> thoreauputic: want to hold hands and skip, friend?
[05:03] <inphlict> sweet
[05:03] <ells> thoreauputic: I agree, if ubuntu would work on my desktop it would be onhere
[05:03] <inphlict> I did it!
[05:03] <deFrysk> ells, again its irc culture
[05:03] <LinuxJones> ells, what's wrong ?
[05:03] <ells> thoreauputic: something to do with the framebuffer
[05:03] <niciqy>  Seveas: no such package. its change to vim-gnome vim
[05:03] <ells> LinuxJones, locks up at begin install
[05:03] <ells> LinuxJones, Sis chipset
[05:03] <ells> on board video,  yaknow
[05:03] <thoreauputic> kotatsu: I'm not really thehand holding type - more the tree hugging type ;-)
[05:04] <ells> thoreaputic, good call
[05:04] <kotatsu> bah, suck
[05:04] <kotatsu> that's no fun
[05:04] <larsrohdin> im using gdm... how can i change the picture too my account?
[05:04] <LinuxJones> ells, it just freezes ?
[05:04] <ells> LinuxJones, yeap
[05:04] <ells> LinuxJones, hopefully, hoary will take instead
[05:04] <ells> LinuxJones,  doesnt make sense
[05:04] <LinuxJones> ells, can you change to another virtual terminal or it's a hard freeze ?
[05:04] <optika> farruinn: er, just in case you care, reinstalling libgnome did the trick wrt those gnome-theme problems :)
[05:05] <monteiro> anyone knows how i download the characters that is missing on my characters map ?
[05:05] <ells> LinuxJones, not sure totally what ya mean, but it locks up tighter than a drum
[05:05] <kotatsu> I thought mplayer was in ubuntu already... mplayer-custom or something
[05:05] <inphlict> whats the command to del files from terminal
[05:05] <ells> LinuxJones, no cursor nothing
[05:05] <Seveas> kotatsu, it's in the marillat repos
[05:05] <optika> inphlict: rm
[05:05] <inphlict> thnx
[05:05] <apokryphos> inphlict: man rm
[05:05] <LinuxJones> ells, so if you do ctrl+alt+F3 it won't change to a new terminal ?
[05:05] <ells> LinuxJones, honestly did not try that
[05:06] <ells> LinuxJones, I can see the screen that asks which language
[05:06] <niciqy> kotatsu: still cant get the Samba thing to work
[05:06] <ells> LinuxJones, bu that is it
[05:06] <ells> LinuxJones, maybe I will try it again today
[05:06] <ells> LinuxJones, is hoary good enough now to do a fresh install with it
[05:07] <LinuxJones> ells, sometimes a bad cd burn can do that can yo check the md5sum of your downloaded .iso file against the md5sum of the .iso on the ftp server ?
[05:07] <ells> LinuxJones,  this is a real ubuntu cd, from them
[05:07] <LinuxJones> ells, ahhh
[05:07] <inphlict> how do I get out of the man rm thing with out closing the terminal?
[05:07] <goldfish_> inphlict: q
[05:07] <ells> LinuxJones
[05:07] <ells> LinuxJones: sorry, do you think hoary is good enough to do a fresh install,ya think
[05:08] <LinuxJones> ells, you weren't messing about with your bios settings by any chance. I installed Ubuntu on my nephew's computer and after resetting the system bios it installed just fine
[05:08] <ells> LinuxJones,  not me personally, but it is freshly built
[05:08] <ells> LinuxJones,I built it just for linux
[05:08] <ells> LinuxJones, as a semi-file server
[05:08] <ells> 120 gig
[05:09] <LinuxJones> ells, If it is a new mobo I would check for a bios update. Maybe there were some probles that needed addressing.
[05:09] <vaijr2002> weeeeeeeeeeeeee i did it. mounted my two win partitions and didnt goof up my fstab woot woot
[05:09] <ells> LinuxJones: maybe I will try to install hoary directly instead of warty
[05:09] <oclv> is there a known issue with xmms and hoary i've missed somewhere ?
[05:09] <EsK> sup
[05:10] <LinuxJones> ells, new things are being fixed all the time :)
[05:10] <Xappe> oclv, what's the problem?
[05:10] <ells> LinuxJones, I agree
[05:10] <thoreauputic> ells: hoary goes "stable"  in a few weeks anyway
[05:10] <oclv> Xappe: lib errors, can't find/use stuffs for xmms
[05:10] <ells> LinuxJones, I really like ubuntu
[05:10] <ells> thoreauputic, cool
[05:10] <ells> thoreauputic, ubuntu for life
[05:10] <LinuxJones> ells, is it a 64 bit system you built ?
[05:10] <Xappe> oclv, hmm...never heard of that. my xmms is fine
[05:10] <ells> thoreauputic, very nice and user friendly
[05:10] <ells> LinuxJones, unfortunately not, but it is amd
[05:11] <LinuxJones> oclv, libmikmod it can't find ??
[05:11] <oclv> Xappe: ok, how did you isntall it ?
[05:11] <ells> LinuxJones, ,the Cebron?
[05:11] <thoreauputic> ells: yes, it fixed my sound problems automagicaly :)
[05:11] <Xappe> oclv, apt-get install xmms
[05:11] <ells> thoreauputic: nice
[05:11] <LinuxJones> ells, I wouldn't run anything but AMD on a pc :)
[05:11] <ells> thoreauputic: using ubuntu, my wireless worked out the box on my laptop
[05:11] <oclv> Xappe: apt says i hve the latest
[05:11] <ells> LinuxJones, agree
[05:12] <niciqy> kotatsu: i got an error: error connecting (operation already in progress)
[05:12] <ells> LinuxJones, my laptop though is a 17 in toshiba
[05:12] <Jesterace> i should put the ubuntu live cd in my gf's laptop and see what happens
[05:12] <Xappe> oclv, weird
[05:12] <LinuxJones> oclv, apt-get update && apt-get install libmikmod2
[05:12] <ells> LinuxJones, Intel 3.0 gig
[05:12] <thoreauputic> oclv: try sudo apt-get install libmikmod2
[05:12] <LinuxJones> ells, 17" laptop *drools*
[05:12] <oclv> LinuxJones: where might i have found this nugget ?
[05:13] <ells> LinuxJones, it was from the pops for college
[05:13] <LinuxJones> oclv, it's in one of the apt- repositories
[05:13] <oclv>  (same error btw)
[05:13] <ells> LinuxJones, I am an old student
[05:13] <thoreauputic> LinuxJones: ah sorry - didn't see your answer
[05:13] <LinuxJones> ells, I am old AND dim-whitted :)
[05:13] <EsK> SysInfo: uname: Linux 2.6.10-4-386 Mem: 485/757M [||||||||||]  Diskspace: 35.17G Free: 31.20G Procs: 104 Uptime: 20 hrs 34 mins 41 secs Load: 0.94 0.45 0.35  Screen: Intel Corp. 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G] /GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 03) Screen Resolution: 1280x1024 (24 bpp) eth0: In: 69.81M Out: 2.99M
[05:13] <ells> LinuxJones, I am in the army, bout to grad. on 28th
[05:14] <oclv> i don't suppose there is some other hidden thing i need for xmms ?
[05:14] <LinuxJones> ells, great
[05:14] <ells> LinuxJones, I am out in Colorado
[05:14] <ells> LinuxJones, thanks
[05:14] <Xappe> oclv, shouldn't be
[05:14] <thoreauputic> EsK: erm - what was the sysinfo in aid of?
[05:14] <Xappe> oclv, have you tried beep media player?
[05:14] <ells> LinuxJones, I will have a BS in bs, naw, jk,  I will have BS in Project Man.
[05:14] <EsK> idk
[05:15] <niciqy> why is samba giving me time out error?
[05:15] <EsK> had to make my entrance
[05:15] <LinuxJones> ells, the only place in the state I want to visit is Colorado Too much John Denver on the radio as a kid I guess :D
[05:15] <oclv> Xappe: hehe, beep hasn't cut the mustard in some time, or i would just get it. :(
[05:15] <kotatsu> niciqy: when you try to mount it or browse to it?
[05:15] <ells> LinuxJones, nice place
[05:15] <_Demian_> does anyone know where to get a good c compiler?
[05:15] <EsK> gcc
[05:15] <thoreauputic> EsK: in some channels, would have been followed by a quick exit :)
[05:15] <vaijr2002> now lets see if i can install mplayer lol
[05:15] <EsK> oh well
[05:15] <kotatsu> _Demian_: $ apt-get install gcc
[05:15] <niciqy> kotatsu: mount
[05:15] <EsK> lots of IPs ;)
[05:15] <_Demian_> kotatsu, thnx
[05:16] <thoreauputic> _Demian_: no, sudo apt-get install build-essential
[05:16] <kotatsu> niciqy: try using nautilus to browse to the share
[05:16] <ells> LinuxJones, did you say you are from Australia
[05:16] <Xappe> oclv, that's because mustard doesn't need any cutting. just use a spoon...
[05:16] <LinuxJones> ells, Eastern Canada
[05:16] <thoreauputic> _Demian_: you'll need more than gcc
[05:16] <oclv> Oh well, maybe i'll try hoary again when the _next_ unstable version is released. no more time to play now. good job so far folks, and good luck.
[05:16] <kotatsu> niciqy: Places --> Network Servers --> Windows Network
[05:16] <_Demian_> it worked
[05:16] <oclv> Xappe: hehe, agreed.
[05:16] <ells> LinuxJones, ,nice
[05:16] <_Demian_> as far as I can tell :)
[05:16] <inphlict> Hey, can someone please address this -> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20756
[05:16] <oclv> ba bye
[05:16] <ells> LinuxJones, cold, most of the year, right
[05:17] <LinuxJones> ells, Spring is just around the corner...thank god
[05:17] <_Demian_> thoreauputic, thnx
[05:17] <ells> LinuxJones, yeap
[05:17] <ells> LinuxJones, kind of nice today here
[05:17] <EsK> they need to update the ubuntu guide
[05:17] <LinuxJones> ells, actually we only got about 4 feet of snow all year and rather mild to boot :)
[05:17] <ells> LinuxJones, do you have the exact url do a fresh hoary download
[05:17] <Xappe> here we had a nice day, but now it's all snowy :/
[05:17] <ells> LinuxJone, nice
[05:17] <LinuxJones> ells, www.archive.ubuntulinux.org
[05:18] <ells> LinuxJones, thanks
[05:18] <ells> LinuxJones, you sure, it didnt come up
[05:18] <niciqy> where is places???
[05:18] <SpOoKySpOoKy> hello
[05:18] <Xappe> but the weather seems quite nice downtown: http://www.uu.se/carpediem/ :)
[05:19] <flawd> anyone here who uses cedega and has been able to install a game with more than one cd?
[05:19] <SpOoKySpOoKy> anybody who would like to help me?
[05:19] <SpOoKySpOoKy> I'm running the live cd
[05:19] <CarlK_> SpOoKySpOoKy - yes, type some things
[05:19] <SpOoKySpOoKy> so
[05:19] <LinuxJones> Xappe, where is that Spain ?
[05:19] <Xappe> sweden
[05:19] <LinuxJones> Xappe, ahh
[05:19] <niciqy> kotatsu: what places?
[05:20] <SpOoKySpOoKy> I'd like to run with vga 800x600 but the monitor has blinking
[05:20] <SpOoKySpOoKy> the leds
[05:20] <SpOoKySpOoKy> how can I set the 800x600 in lower resolution for the live cd
[05:20] <SpOoKySpOoKy> ?
[05:20] <ells> LinuxJones,  found it thanks
[05:20] <EsK> i need like, 20 bucks, can anyone donate to the EsK cancer survival center?
[05:20] <LinuxJones> ells, great
[05:21] <ells> LinuxJones, I am gonna try Hoary today
[05:21] <EsK> ells, great
[05:21] <ells> LinuxJones, on the.........DESKTOP
[05:21] <EsK> <---desktop
[05:21] <ells> Esk, I tried ubuntu warty before on it, a nd it locked up
[05:22] <Xappe> *damdamdamdam* <-- jaws music
[05:22] <EsK> oh
[05:22] <EsK> ok
[05:22] <ells> Esk, will try Hoary and see the diff.
[05:22] <EsK> koool
[05:22] <EsK> cool*
[05:22] <EsK> alright
[05:22] <ells> Esk, no prob
[05:22] <EsK> dont mess up anything or you'd have to reinstall like me
[05:22] <ells> Esk, ,i have done that enough times
[05:22] <LinuxJones> ells, I hope it works for you. If you have the same problem with Hoary I would first reset bios, check again then look for a bios update
[05:22] <EsK> yeah
[05:22] <ells> LinuxJones: cool
[05:22] <EsK> who runs kubuntu in here
[05:22] <niciqy> kotatsu: what Places????
[05:23] <goldfish_> EsK: try in #kubuntu
[05:23] <ells> LinuxJones: someone told me that Linux doesnt like Sis, not sure if true
[05:23] <EsK> i mean
[05:23] <EsK> okay w/e
[05:23] <ells> Esk: why not just go straight ubuntu
[05:23] <EsK> ma
[05:23] <thoreauputic> ells: I have sis onboard
[05:23] <LinuxJones> ells, mmm I don't know for sure
[05:23] <EsK> i like em both
[05:23] <ells> thoreauputic, really
[05:23] <thoreauputic> ells: I think as always "it depends"
[05:23] <ells> thoreauputic, works fine?
[05:24] <ells> thoreauputic, okay
[05:24] <kotatsu> niciqy: click on your "places" menu at the top of the screen
[05:24] <thoreauputic> ells: had a lot of sound problems with sis, but ubuntu resolved them
[05:24] <ells> thoreauputic, the board is winfast or something
[05:24] <EsK> is there any environments other than kde n gnome on ubuntu
[05:24] <ells> thoreauputic: on board sound
[05:24] <thoreauputic> ells Asus board here
[05:25] <ells> thoreauputic: winfast K7S
[05:25] <thoreauputic> ells: my sound is onboard si7012
[05:25] <kotatsu> EsK: yes, to varying degrees... you can replace your window manager only, or use something like xfce to replace most of your desktop
[05:25] <ells> thoreauputic: okay
[05:25] <EsK> oh
[05:25] <ells> thoreauputic: now problems but the video deal
[05:25] <EsK> i need to shit
[05:25] <EsK> brb
[05:25] <ells> thoreauputic: something bout trying to enable the frame buffer
[05:25] <niciqy> kotatsu: there is just a panel with Applications and Computer
[05:25] <sig> anyone using gmplayer?
[05:25] <vaijr2002> weeeee got me email done too woot this is easier than suse or gentoo lol
[05:26] <niciqy> kotatsu: no "places"
[05:26] <Xappe> sig, now and then, yes
[05:26] <vaijr2002> now the only things i cant do is get this one stupid program working right verlihub
[05:26] <thoreauputic> ells: you could try  sudo dpkg-reconfigure --plow xserver-xfree86 and say no to the framebuffer
[05:26] <sig> Xappe: hmm
[05:26] <vaijr2002> thanks for the link Xappe
[05:27] <thoreauputic> ells: might work, worth a try
[05:27] <ells> thoreauputic: that is at the very beginning: it locks up at the screen where it asks the language
[05:27] <Xappe> vaijr2002, what link?
[05:27] <ells> thoreauputic: hopefully, Hoary will solve my issues
[05:27] <thoreauputic> ells: hmm - you can run commands in another tty if you can get to one
[05:27] <vaijr2002> http://ubuntuguide.org/#qtparted
[05:28] <ells> thoreauputic: no movement at all including mouse and or cursor
[05:28] <Xappe> vaijr2002, hmm, that was not me?
[05:28] <vaijr2002> oh ok hehe
[05:28] <ells> thoreauputic: kind of like Fort Knox
[05:28] <vaijr2002> well thanks whom every did lol
[05:28] <thoreauputic> ells: urghh - bad news :(
[05:28] <vaijr2002> really helpfull
[05:28] <vaijr2002> i need a smart person though to help me get this program working
[05:28] <vaijr2002> its verlihub direct connect hub program
[05:28] <ells> thoreauputic: I am optimistic, I am on it right now, , Debian works on it, hopefully Hoary will
[05:29] <vaijr2002> thats the only thing i cant get working
[05:29] <ells> thoreauputic: warty just doesnt
[05:29] <thoreauputic> ells: ah, yes that sounds positive
[05:29] <ells> thoreauputic: even if it doesnt, i am done with the debian irc
[05:30] <DyGyTyL> if an app requires the X Windows System libraries and headers, what pkg would that fall under? :/
[05:30] <goldfish> is #debian that bad?
[05:30] <vaijr2002> brb
[05:30] <ells> goldfish: yes
[05:30] <EsK> igh back
[05:30] <goldfish> hehe
[05:30] <thoreauputic> ells: hehe - yes I can understand that: I learnt a lot in there though, so it isn't all bad :)
[05:30] <ells> goldfish: they are rude
[05:30] <goldfish> ah right
[05:30] <warthawg> man, ubuntu hoary preview gets a failing grade on the install
[05:30] <goldfish> I'm a n00b, luckily i came in here and not there :)
[05:30] <ells> thoreauputic: I could see that
[05:30] <apokryphos> goldfish: ventured in there a couple of times. Asked an apt problem, but they were... let's say: unhappy, that I used Ubuntu ;-). The heat conjured up could be felt miles away
[05:30] <sig> warthawg: why?
[05:30] <LinuxJones> warthawg, what's wrong ?
[05:30] <ells> goldfish, yes you are, these guys r friendly and good at what they do
[05:31] <apokryphos> I think many are a little sour about such issues
[05:31] <warthawg> sig LinuxJones   it offers me one choice for partitioning, wipe everything out and take it over
[05:31] <thoreauputic> goldfish: keep very quiet for a month or so if you  venture into #debian, is my advice
[05:31] <LinuxJones> warthawg, what ?
[05:31] <sig> warthawg: why not upgrade with apt?
[05:31] <warthawg> LinuxJones:  i can't keep existing partitions, they don't appear
[05:31] <LinuxJones> warthawg, that's not right
[05:31] <goldfish> thoreauputic: hehe, think i'll stay out :)
[05:31] <ells> thoreauputic, truly, those guys are not altogether nice folks
[05:31] <warthawg> LinuxJones:  you're dmn right it's not :)
[05:32] <ells> goldfish, they are like sharks
[05:32] <petemc> ells: you cant tar everyone with the same brush
[05:32] <goldfish> lol
[05:32] <thoreauputic> goldfish: it's a real pity, because some of them really know their stuff
[05:32] <ells> petemc, ,truly
[05:32] <ells> petemc, have been in there a dozen or so times
[05:32] <LinuxJones> warthawg, did you look at the help screen F1 I think
[05:32] <goldfish> shame
[05:32] <ells> petemc, someone is being rude to someone
[05:32] <thoreauputic> petemc: that's true - some people in #debian are excellent
[05:32] <warthawg> linuxjones  i'll try F1
[05:33] <ells> petemc, there should be some respect amongst the community , ya know
[05:33] <Xappe> petemc, you can tar everybody with the right command though :)
[05:33] <petemc> ells: this is true, but put 700 people together and you'll get that in almost any situation
[05:33] <ells> Xappe , that works
[05:33] <LinuxJones> warthawg, I upgraded from Warty but find it hard to believe you can't keep your partitions...waht kind of hard drive do you have ?
[05:33] <ells> petemc: hardly ever in here
[05:33] <thoreauputic> ells: I think petemc has done some time in #debian :)
[05:33] <ells> thoreauputic: it is all good,  I just wont go in thre again
[05:33] <warthawg> LinuxJones  IBM t40 laptop
[05:33] <EsK> debian is a pain in the ass to install
[05:33] <ells> petemc: all is good,  just have had bad experiences in there
[05:34] <LinuxJones> warthawg, that an ide drive ?
[05:34] <petemc> ells: fair enough :)
[05:34] <thoreauputic> EsK: not now, with the d-i installer
[05:34] <ells> petemc: what r u running
[05:34] <apokryphos> hehe. I just checked now... not a pretty site
[05:34] <petemc> ubuntu on my laptop, debian on my servers
[05:34] <thoreauputic> EsK: the debian installer is the same as the ubuntu installer now, BTW
[05:34] <niciqy> kotatsu: there is just a panel with Applications and Computer, non "places"!!!
[05:35] <DyGyTyL> dselect rocked back in the day..heh, aint got nothin on synaptics now though
[05:35] <ells> petemc: ubuntu on my desktop and debian on my desktop
[05:35] <ells> petemc: switch that
[05:35] <petemc> :)
[05:35] <warthawg> LinuxJones:  yes, IDE
[05:35] <EsK> not really
[05:35] <EsK> cuz it was diff
[05:35] <ells> petemc; I mean on my laptop ubuntu, and debian on my desktop
[05:35] <EsK> well the one i had
[05:35] <EsK> it was alot diff than ubuntu
[05:35] <warthawg> there is a parameter for the thinkpad floppy, but that's the only thing i see
[05:35] <foreach> Has anyone in here successfully gone from warty to hoary? I'm still on warty, and wondering if the bugs are going to kill me
[05:36] <thoreauputic> EsK: the sarge installer, or woody? (the older one?)
[05:36] <kasper> whats difference between Ubuntu Linux 5.04 : The Hoary Hedgehog Release and 4.10?
[05:36] <ells> foreach, yes, took some work
[05:36] <thoreauputic> foreach: probably most people here are on hoary
[05:36] <goldfish> kasper: 5.04 is the new version
[05:36] <ells> kasper, have seen better network tools at least fo wireless
[05:36] <foreach> ells - 'course. Then again, am I better off waiting until the official release? It is right around the corner
[05:36] <Usiu> Why The Fuck I can get Gimp workin on hoary ??
[05:36] <goldfish> i'm still on warty
[05:36] <kasper> is it worth me upgrading to 4.10
[05:36] <kasper> lol
[05:36] <EsK> probably woody, idk, it was alot of stuff on it
[05:36] <goldfish> afriad to try to upgrade :)
[05:36] <ells> foreach, if you can live without the tools, probably
[05:36] <kasper> so downgrading it would be
[05:37] <goldfish> kasper: emm...
[05:37] <ells> goldfish, not hard
[05:37] <goldfish> kasper: why ? :)
[05:37] <foreach> ells - tools?
[05:37] <kasper> so why does it have 4.10 new version everywhere?
[05:37] <kasper> e.g. forum
[05:37] <kasper> main site
[05:37] <ells> foreach, network tools
[05:37] <thoreauputic> EsK: the woody installer was , er, challenging at times ;)
[05:37] <Usiu> I need it !!
[05:37] <EsK> yeah
[05:37] <goldfish> kasper: well, hoary is not been released as stable yet.
[05:37] <ells> foreach, use them on my laptop for wireless
[05:37] <ells> foreach, they are awesome
[05:37] <goldfish> kasper: couple of weeks, but most ppl are running it.
[05:37] <kasper> so hoary mean not stable
[05:37] <Usiu> WHY The Fuck I nautilus with python-nautilus segfaults !!
[05:37] <DyGyTyL> now that i've successfully converted to 5.04 (almost anyway) i can't live without the new utils:P
[05:38] <goldfish> kasper: it's close to stable i think
[05:38] <goldfish> kasper: due to be released in april
[05:38] <kasper> Warty Warthog 4.10 is stable?
[05:38] <foreach> ells - heh. I'll do some more reading before I make the switch
[05:38] <goldfish> kasper: yep
[05:38] <Xappe> april 6th or something like that
[05:38] <kasper> cool
[05:38] <goldfish> kasper: 5.04 is close to stable
[05:38] <goldfish> alot of ppl in here run it
[05:38] <ells> foreach, ,be my guest, it works pretty good though
[05:38] <thoreauputic> Usiu: take ten deep breaths...
[05:38] <kasper> when i try to add kde in its gui synaptic
[05:39] <kasper> it has errors with adding kde-addons and konq plugin
[05:39] <vaijr2002> when i do a make install do i have to do sudo make install?
[05:39] <thoreauputic> vaijr2002: why are you compiling?
[05:39] <vaijr2002> yes
[05:39] <goldfish> lol
[05:39] <thoreauputic> haha
[05:40] <EsK> can someone donate me some CD-Rs
[05:40] <LinuxJones> good answer
[05:40] <niciqy> seriously need enlightenment on "Places --> Network Servers --> Windows Network"
[05:40] <vaijr2002> i have to do sudo right?
[05:40] <ankit> my friend wanna install ubuntu warty on HDD: Maxtor One Touch 160 GB. Connected to USB port on IBM T-40 but the problem is it doesn't show up in the installation [partitioning page] 
[05:40] <LinuxJones> vaijr2002, what are you trying to compile ?
[05:40] <vaijr2002> verlihub
[05:40] <thoreauputic> LinuxJones: there was no comma between why and are ;-)
[05:41] <vaijr2002> it was tar.gz i extracted it went to dir, and did ./configure, then did make
[05:41] <kasper> does ubuntu update to kde3.3?
[05:41] <kasper> and does it run stable?
[05:41] <apokryphos> kasper: ubuntu hoary now has 3.4
[05:42] <Terrasque> how does ubuntu run with kde?
[05:42] <ankit> my friend wanna install ubuntu warty on HDD: Maxtor One Touch 160 GB. Connected to USB port on IBM T-40 but the problem is it doesn't show up in the installation [partitioning page] 
[05:42] <Rene_S> kasper: seems to run quite well
[05:42] <LinuxJones> thoreauputic, me vocabularie good :)
[05:42] <kasper> 5.4?
[05:42] <apokryphos> Terrasque: what do you mean, "how"?
[05:42] <goldfish> how well probably
[05:42] <apokryphos> Terrasque: if you mean quality-wise -- it runs very well.
[05:42] <ankit> what do I do???
[05:42] <thoreauputic> LinuxJones: heh :)
[05:42] <kasper> fuckin cool
[05:42] <ankit> my friend wanna install ubuntu warty on HDD: Maxtor One Touch 160 GB. Connected to USB port on IBM T-40 but the problem is it doesn't show up in the installation [partitioning page] 
[05:42] <ankit>  what do I do?
[05:42] <kasper> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=18201
[05:42] <kasper> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=16448
[05:43] <kasper> i love kde
[05:43] <kasper> i run it on my suse
[05:43] <ankit> hmmm...cant anyone help me puhleeeze ::my friend wanna install ubuntu warty on HDD: Maxtor One Touch 160 GB. Connected to USB port on IBM T-40 but the problem is it doesn't show up in the installation [partitioning page] 
[05:43] <ankit> ::what do i do?
[05:43] <kasper> i hate gnome
[05:43] <kasper> ugly
[05:43] <vaijr2002> wierd no errors this time hehe
[05:43] <vaijr2002> brb
[05:43] <apokryphos> kasper: kubuntu users neither of those :)
[05:43] <Terrasque> apokryphos: like, will I lose any functions compared to running gnome? (since gnome is default, I'm assuming that gnome gets more focus)
[05:43] <EsK> i kno theres a bug in kde when u get it with fedora
[05:43] <kasper> i know but their nice
[05:43] <EsK> i dont get the message with gnome
[05:43] <thoreauputic> kasper: /join #kubuntu :)
[05:43] <apokryphos> Terrasque: the kubunut team is making sure that isn't the case.
[05:43] <kasper> thanx thoreauputic
[05:44] <vaijr2002> what is the extension of an executable file in linux
[05:44] <Terrasque> apokryphos: kubuntu and ubuntu is just two frontends for the same system?
[05:44] <vaijr2002> in win its exe
[05:44] <Terrasque> vaijr2002: chmod u+x
[05:44] <Bubbling_Zombie> there's none
[05:44] <thoreauputic> vaijr2002: not applicable
[05:44] <Xappe> vaijr2002, no extensions
[05:44] <apokryphos> Terrasque: kind of. See www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/kubuntu
[05:44] <Terrasque> k
[05:45] <vaijr2002> ok well i found where it installed/compiled to
[05:45] <vaijr2002> but the icon wont execute
[05:45] <thoreauputic> vaijr2002: what's the app? and the command?
[05:45] <vaijr2002> its verlihub
[05:46] <vaijr2002> and i dont know what ya mean by command
[05:46] <niciqy> When trying to enable Windows networking to access windows files in
[05:46] <niciqy> Network settings it tells me I do not have SMB support installed.
[05:46] <niciqy> What do I do now?
[05:46] <thoreauputic> vaijr2002: what command is issued to execute it from a terminal?
[05:46] <Terrasque> althru, met a weird bug in the install part (was in warty too). ethernet card is borked under install (but works perfectly fine if you reboot after the installation is done)
[05:46] <vaijr2002> dunno lol
[05:46] <Usiu> thoreauputic, Gimp is the most critical software for me!
[05:46] <vaijr2002> aint read that far yet lol
[05:47] <EsK> my gimp locks up on xsane
[05:47] <thoreauputic> Usiu: um... that's nice: why are you telling me though?
[05:47] <vaijr2002> i figured it out
[05:47] <Terrasque> thoreauputic: maybe he wanted you to know
[05:48] <thoreauputic> Terrasque: I guess so...
[05:49] <Terrasque> apokryphos: one quick question. If I do an ubuntu install and apt-gets kde, will there be any big differences between that and kubuntu?
[05:50] <apokryphos> Terrasque: join #kubuntu ;-)
[05:50] <LinuxJones> Terrasque, jsut install kubuntu-desktop and once you login to KDE your in kubuntu
[05:50] <Terrasque> LinuxJones: great :-)
[05:51] <thoreauputic> hehe - Usiu just vented his spleen about gimp in #ubuntu-motu
[05:51] <LinuxJones> Terrasque, that was easy :)
[05:51] <joskulj> hi. I just installed Hoary and I have 2 quite minor questions
[05:52] <apokryphos> Also, as an extra note... if you don't want all the things provided with kubuntu-desktop (it pulls in OpenOffice and a lot more things), then you can just gof or kde-core and kubuntu-default-settings
[05:52] <LinuxJones> apokryphos, yeah go that route
[05:52] <Terrasque> apokryphos: I'm just trying to figure out how many cd's I'll need ;-)
[05:52] <alec> joskulj, just ask
[05:52] <apokryphos> Terrasque: for what?
[05:53] <Terrasque> apokryphos: for ubuntu/kubuntu. If I can apt-get the difference, I don't need two cd's
[05:54] <apokryphos> Terrasque: that's right. You never need to download more than one ISO in your life with [k] ubuntu
[05:54] <niciqy> where can I get GTK?
[05:54] <joskulj> alec: ok: when I mount my usb-stick the desktop icon for it is labelled "SMFS1.0 ---". Can I change this somehow?
[05:54] <LinuxJones> Terrasque, actually you can do a custom install then upgrade to your choice. There are different version for folks who don't have high speed internet connections but want one or the other
[05:54] <thoreauputic> niciqy: apt-cache search gtk | less   (there'll be a lot of stuff)
[05:55] <CompotatoJ> Hey, how would I go about deleting grub off one hd and installing it on anotherZ
[05:56] <_Demian_> how do I Install a priner
[05:56] <_Demian_> printer
[05:56] <_Demian_> that is
[05:56] <CarlK_> CompotatoJ - install it on the 2nd and forget about the one of the 1st
[05:56] <thoreauputic> niciqy: you probably need to be a bit more specific about what part of GTK you actualy want
[05:57] <LinuxJones> CompotatoJ, you can backup the MBR using dd and then add it to your new harddrive and copy all necessary files like the kernel and grub files but it's easier to re-install to the new drive
[05:57] <CompotatoJ> How do I install grub inside ubuntu?
[05:58] <LinuxJones> CompotatoJ, it should already be installed unless you installed lilo or something
[05:58] <CompotatoJ> Typing with Dvorak is really hard! =] 
[05:59] <thoreauputic> CompotatoJ: from the man page: grub-install - install GRUB on your drive
[05:59] <CompotatoJ> LinuxJones, it is, so how do I config it
[06:00] <CompotatoJ> ok thx thoreauputic
[06:00] <alec> joskulj, renaming it doesn't work?
[06:00] <LinuxJones> CompotatoJ, you have to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:00] <thoreauputic> CompotatoJ: the most important file is /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:00] <alec> joskulj, (i don't have a usb stick)
[06:00] <niciqy> how can i enable windows networking?
[06:00] <thoreauputic> grr... lag
[06:00] <LinuxJones> I have to split BB later
[06:00] <CompotatoJ> oh, but isnnt my /boot on the wrong hdZ
[06:00] <niciqy> how can i enable windows networking? keep having SNB support error
[06:01] <CompotatoJ> niciqy, its smb
[06:01] <thoreauputic> niciqy: you need samba and probably smbfs
[06:01] <niciqy> i install smbfs
[06:01] <niciqy> but still having the same error
[06:02] <thoreauputic> niciqy: and samba?
[06:02] <CompotatoJ> what is the errZ
[06:02] <niciqy> samba??
[06:02] <niciqy> how to install samba?
[06:02] <thoreauputic> niciqy: samba is the win network server
[06:02] <thoreauputic> sudo apt-get install samba
[06:02] <apokryphos> niciqy: I think there's stuff on ubuntuguide.org about it
[06:03] <goldfish> ther is
[06:03] <niciqy> okie
[06:05] <yhonatan> i need some help
[06:05] <robodex> hmm
[06:05] <goldfish> hello
[06:05] <robodex> anyone else having the problem where whenever you press the ' key in firefox the find menu opens?
[06:05] <yhonatan> i want to use universe
[06:05] <monteiro> anyone knows how i download the characters that is missing on my characters map ?
[06:06] <robodex> does it as well
[06:06] <robodex> err /
[06:06] <yhonatan> but when i open "synatipc
[06:06] <yhonatan> "
[06:06] <yhonatan> i get that message:
[06:07] <yhonatan> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[06:07] <yhonatan> what i need to do?
[06:07] <Terrasque> yhonatan: clicked on "Reload" ?
[06:07] <yhonatan> amm..
[06:08] <thoreauputic> yhonatan: that line is wrong
[06:08] <thoreauputic> it should have spaces
[06:08] <thoreauputic> you need to re-edit it
[06:08] <yhonatan> what i need to edit?
[06:08] <deFrysk>  deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[06:08] <deFrysk> like so
[06:09] <ericb2> hi
[06:09] <yhonatan> what?
[06:09] <thoreauputic> yhonatan: the slash after hoary looks wrong
[06:10] <yhonatan> ohhh
[06:10] <thoreauputic> yhonatan: should be a space I'd say
[06:10] <thoreauputic> yhonatan: check the syntax of your other lines as well
[06:10] <ericb2> what is necessary to compile a new kernel from kernel.org on amd64 ? I have a strange scripts/kconfig/mconf: /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.3.4' not found (required by scripts/kconfig/mconf)
[06:10] <ericb2>  ?
[06:11] <ericb2> what is necessary to compile a new kernel from kernel.org on amd64 ?
[06:11] <jbailey> ericb2: Looks like someone has handed you a precompiled binary that wants a newer glibc than we have in Hoary.
[06:11] <ericb2> sorry... the begining was lost...
[06:11] <jbailey> ericb2: You need to build that from source.
[06:12] <ericb2> jbailey : hi
[06:12] <ericb2> jbailey : so is ther a line to add in /etc/apt/sources.;list ?
[06:12] <ericb2> s /ther/there/
[06:12] <jbailey> ericb2: No.  There's nothing you can usefully do on a Hoary or Warty system to make that binary run.
[06:12] <jbailey> ericb2: You need to ask whoever gave it to you for the source so you can build it yourself.
[06:13] <ericb2> jbailey : I ask here ?
[06:14] <jbailey> ericb2: Who gave you the thing that gives you that error message?
[06:15] <ericb2> jbailey : make menuconfig
[06:15] <Ratty> hi dudes
[06:15] <jbailey> ericb2: Sorry, from what program?
[06:15] <jbailey> ericb2: Is that something that Ubuntu has in it?
[06:16] <Ratty> bit of a newb q, when i set my clock to 12hr mode in gnome, it doesn't show am/pm on the end. how do i go about fixing this?
[06:16] <ericb2> jbailey : I have 2.6.11.3 sources, from kernel.org, because I wanted to build my on kernel
[06:17] <jbailey> Ah.  I don't know anything about building kernels.  But it looks like that package includes a binary and probably shouldn't.
[06:17] <ericb2> for now, uname -a give me :
[06:17] <ericb2> Linux lou 2.6.10-5-amd64-k8  #1 Tue Mar 15 14:42:38 UTC 2005 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[06:18] <Ratty> is there a thing similar to "regional settings" in gnome?
[06:18] <ericb2> jbailey:  thank's :-)
[06:19] <jbailey> ericb2: maybe try running 'make clean' first or something.
[06:19] <thoreauputic> Ratty: strange that it doesn't show AM and PM
[06:19] <Ratty> yeah :/
[06:19] <jbailey> ericb2: Sorry I don't have better advice, I don't compile my own kernels.
[06:19] <Ratty> kinda annoying
[06:19] <Ratty> guess i'll have to get used to 24hr clocks
[06:19] <HiddenWolf> is there some terminal command that gives the kernel version / distro name?
[06:19] <thoreauputic> Ratty: indeed - I'm on warty and mine shows that OK
[06:19] <hannes_> uname
[06:20] <rewop> hello?
[06:20] <Ratty> what is the time format stored?
[06:20] <ericb2> jbailey : yes :-)) I was stupid -> make mrproper does it !!
[06:20] <goldfish> hi
[06:20] <hannes_> hannes@ylakone:~ $ uname -a
[06:20] <hannes_> Linux ylakone 2.6.10-4-686 #1 Sat Mar 12 11:12:34 GMT 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[06:20] <apokryphos> HiddenWolf: what hannes_ said and cat /etc/version
[06:20] <ericb2> :-)  bye !
[06:20] <Ratty> where is the time format stored? even
[06:21] <thoreauputic> HiddenWolf: and cat /etc/issue
[06:21] <rewop> does anyone in here use bittorrent?
[06:21] <thoreauputic> tells you warty/hoary
[06:21] <rewop> and hoary?
[06:21] <apokryphos> whoops, that's it, yes. Eek, getting rusty.
[06:21] <hannes_> rewop: yes, azureus
[06:21] <Spooks> Ok, just downloaded & installed wine... but I can't get it to run, is there something I should do first before it will work?
[06:21] <Spooks> Or am I just stupid, kthnx
[06:22] <goldfish> rewop: use bitorrent on warty
[06:22] <hannes_> Spooks: you run programs via wine
[06:22] <Spooks> ah
[06:22] <rewop> goldfish: what do you mean? can't i do it on hoary?
[06:22] <Spooks> like, right-click, open with wine?
[06:22] <hannes_> so just wine /path/to/program.exer
[06:22] <thoreauputic> Spooks: you're just stupid *grin*  - I haven't used wine, but I believe you do `wine foo.exe `
[06:22] <hannes_> -r
[06:23] <goldfish> rewop: yep
[06:23] <goldfish> rewop: im just on warty, havent upgraded yet
[06:23] <rewop> goldfish: why?
[06:23] <goldfish> yo ucan
[06:24] <Ratty> :( i guess my clock is screwed
[06:24] <rewop> my problem is that only Gnome Bittorrent works.. and only sometimes.. i usually uses btlaunchmanycurses
[06:24] <goldfish> rewop: tried azureus?
[06:24] <Ratty> welp ta anyway. back to winblows
[06:24] <Ratty> bye
[06:24] <thoreauputic> Ratty: try this -  sudo /etc/init.d/ntpdate restart
[06:24] <goldfish> back to windows?
[06:24] <hannes_> rewop: azureus is good
[06:25] <rewop> yeah in warty, but it's slowing down the computer..
[06:25] <goldfish> ah right
[06:25] <goldfish> what version of java did u have?
[06:25] <rewop> i dont know..
[06:25] <goldfish> kk
[06:25] <hannes_> depends of computer
[06:25] <philauge> hi
[06:25] <goldfish> i was told upgrading to java 1.5 stopped that from happening
[06:25] <goldfish> but i never tried
[06:25] <goldfish> it's fine for me
[06:25] <rewop> of course.. but my computer did.. thats why i used btluanch..
[06:25] <philauge> can anyone help me with libxinerama1 ??
[06:26] <goldfish> ah right
[06:26] <goldfish> hrmm...
[06:26] <sabmoc> anyone know of a good channel for web development on freenode?
[06:26] <rewop> now its allways like "connecting to peers" :(
[06:26] <rewop> but i can try to install azureus..
[06:27] <rewop> what receptories should I use?
[06:27] <goldfish> i think u get the .bin from azureus
[06:27] <deFrysk> receptories has a cool ring
[06:27] <deFrysk> to it
[06:27] <rewop> aha
[06:27] <goldfish> hehe, it does
[06:28] <Echylo> somebody knows a cool free game?
[06:28] <Terrasque> freeciv
[06:29] <Spooks> Netrek is kinda ok, was playing that last night
[06:29] <Spooks> Pretty basic though
[06:29] <goldfish> foobillard
[06:29] <goldfish> GNOME TETRIS !!!!
[06:29] <thoreauputic> frozen-bubble :)
[06:29] <Terrasque> enigma
[06:29] <deFrysk> tux-*
[06:30] <Terrasque> enigma have hours of high-quality fustration
[06:30] <goldfish> lol
[06:30] <Echylo> foobillard rules :p
[06:30] <spiral> hi
[06:30] <goldfish> it does :)
[06:30] <Echylo> hmm frustration games
[06:30] <Echylo> sounds cool
[06:30] <thoreauputic> xboard for chess freaks...
[06:30] <goldfish> oooh
[06:30] <goldfish> thoreauputic: does it have a learning mode by any chance?
[06:31] <confrey> hi everybody
[06:31] <goldfish> sure, i'll check it out anyways
[06:31] <goldfish> :)
[06:31] <goldfish> hi confrey
[06:31] <thoreauputic> goldfish: I have no idea :) It always beats me but I'm a hopeless chess player ;)
[06:31] <goldfish> thoreauputic: hehe
[06:31] <confrey> how can I use my camcorder with firewire? I installed kino, but it seems the camcorder doesn't exist
[06:32] <flawd> how do I download with jigdo?
[06:32] <thoreauputic> goldfish: I'm the one that lacks a learning mode I guess :)
[06:32] <flawd> it cant handle jigdo files it says
[06:32] <flawd> never used it
[06:32] <Terrasque> thoreauputic: yeah, me too. Once I had a long verbal fight with one on who lost. Both of us claimed he was the one who lost.
[06:32] <goldfish> thoreauputic: haha, i tried to learn before, hard game to master
[06:32] <Terrasque> you should see the face on the chess judge
[06:33] <Echylo> I like the idea of 3D chess
[06:33] <Terrasque> moments like those are truly priceless
[06:33] <thoreauputic> goldfish: I'm just not motivated enough
[06:33] <Echylo> three windows, X Y Z
[06:33] <Echylo> that's what they call 3D
[06:33] <goldfish> I need motivation!
[06:33] <goldfish> Echylo: VECTORS!
[06:33] <Echylo> that aint 3D :p
[06:33] <goldfish> u need them for 3d :)
[06:33] <Echylo> a X window & Z window & a Y window ;)
[06:33] <goldfish> well
[06:33] <goldfish> hehe
[06:33] <Ephemeral> wheres the grub.conf located agian?
[06:34] <Terrasque> I want to learn Go.. But never have the patience for learning
[06:34] <Echylo> menu.lsy
[06:34] <Echylo> ./boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:34] <Spooks> Diso?
[06:34] <goldfish> Terrasque: thats a cool game, there are very good online tutorials and networks for playing it
[06:34] <goldfish> i actually found a go board in a cupboard
[06:34] <goldfish> after trying to learn it on the computer
[06:35] <Echylo> what is Go ?
[06:35] <confrey> how can I use my camcorder with firewire? I installed kino, but it seems the camcorder doesn't exist
[06:35] <goldfish> Echylo: Hardest game in the world !
[06:35] <Echylo> computer game?
[06:35] <goldfish> Echylo: it's a board game
[06:35] <Echylo> ow :)
[06:35] <Ephemeral> how can i edit the grub conf again?
[06:35] <Echylo> oh*
[06:35] <Terrasque> goldfish: as I said, I want to learn it.. but I just don't have the patience :-(
[06:35] <Echylo> ephemeral
[06:35] <goldfish> Terrasque: hehe , me too
[06:35] <Echylo> its located in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:35] <goldfish> Echylo: u can play it ono the net
[06:35] <Ephemeral> yes but i dont have permision
[06:36] <Terrasque> goldfish: seen hikaru no go? :-D
[06:36] <goldfish> Ephemeral: sudo nano pathtofile
[06:36] <apokryphos> Ephemeral: sudo..
[06:36] <goldfish> or whatever editor u use
[06:36] <goldfish> Terrasque: nope
[06:36] <Terrasque> too bad
[06:36] <rewop> is it possible to edit wmv-files in linux? or just grab the sound from one?
[06:37] <c|one> I like to install tvtime 0.9.15 in my unbuntu is there a easy way to do that???
[06:37] <Terrasque> rewop: mplayer/mencoder?
[06:37] <unkwn> http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/03/18/1421255&tid=172&tid=106
[06:38] <rewop> Terrasque: but can i for example cut a file with those?
[06:38] <Echylo> eph
[06:38] <Echylo> oh
[06:38] <Echylo> damn
[06:40] <robodex> hmmmmmmmmm...... I'm having a REALLY weird problem with my sound
[06:40] <_Demian_> can anyone help me with my printer :)
[06:40] <_Demian_> I installed the drivers
[06:40] <Nobuyuki`> hey guys, how can I get ubuntu to re-detect my monitor?  I want to change the hsync and vsync values but I don't know to what, all I know is that I switched from a crappy monitor to a crappier one and need to redetect the monitor
[06:40] <_Demian_> I can't get it to work
[06:40] <robodex> everything's set to minimum volume, and as soon as I put anything up it sets it back to minimum again O_O
[06:40] <c|one> is there a easy way to install software in unbuntu?
[06:40] <robodex> c|one: apt? :p
[06:41] <apokryphos> c|one: easiest way you can imagine :)
[06:41] <c|one> hmmm
[06:42] <DyGyTyL> heh, synaptics even easier, especially in the new release of ubuntu
[06:42] <Terrasque> c|one: tried synaptic?
[06:42] <goldfish> anyone running hoary on a 15.4" widescreen ?
[06:43] <kkathman> good day, could I get some help on how I might install KDE? I just installed ubuntu last night and love it!
[06:43] <Terrasque> goldfish: no, but was planning to do that right after the toaster
[06:43] <goldfish> Terrasque: haha
[06:43] <c|one> Terrasque: synaptic??? is that like a prog that does the compilling and installs for u?
[06:43] <unkwn> kkathman:  should have installed kubuntu
[06:43] <goldfish> well, i suppose I could have phrased it better :)
[06:43] <deFrysk> kkathman, apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:43] <deFrysk> or something :S
[06:44] <Terrasque> c|one: its a program you click on the programs you want, click apply, and sit back and relax
[06:44] <robodex> ok that's really silly; GNOME is giving me sound but suddenly amaroK isn't working again
[06:44] <kkathman> ahhh ok I will try that thank you
[06:44] <Terrasque> (the relax part is optional, but recommended)
[06:44] <Spooks> haha
[06:44] <deFrysk> robodex, apt-get install gstreamer-amarok
[06:44] <c|one> Terrasque: sounds nice....
[06:44] <deFrysk> or the other way around
[06:44] <Echylo> god put a smile upon your face
[06:44] <robodex> deFrysk: no, it was working 100% fine ten minutes ago
[06:45] <Echylo> *whistles*-*sings*
[06:45] <robodex> (using amarok-xine)
[06:45] <jason> anyone notice any downloading problems with firefox? I can only use save as or it doesnt work.
[06:45] <deFrysk> robodex, set the engin of amarok to gstreamer in gnome
[06:45] <robodex> ok
[06:45] <robodex> well the volume thing was happening in xfce
[06:45] <deFrysk> and use esd output
[06:45] <deFrysk> if possible
[06:45] <thoreauputic> jason: known issue with hoary's firefox
[06:46] <tullinga> anybody know how I can fix this "Linux source tree /usr/src/linux is incomplete or missing!
[06:46] <tullinga>     The kernel header files are present, but not  the full source code.
[06:46] <tullinga>     See the HOWTO for a list of FTP sites for current kernel sources.
[06:46] <tullinga> Configuration failed
[06:46] <tullinga> make: *** [config]  Error 1
[06:46] <tullinga> "
[06:46] <jason> cool thanks thoreauputic, glad it isnt just me, I can wait :)
[06:46] <sig> See the HOWTO for a list of FTP sites for current kernel sources.
[06:47] <|QuaD-_> are the Bendy Badger repo's up yet?
[06:47] <jason> thoreauputic: it is pretty easy to forget I am running testing :)
[06:48] <^thehatsrule^> hi... er, id like to ask if the livecd also includes the install cd as well
[06:48] <Madiba> anyone know if incompatability problems with ubuntu live and nvidia geforce4 vid cards
[06:48] <tullinga> Sorry my application disconnected, anybody knows?
[06:49] <MobyTurbo> ^thehatsrule^, no
 See the HOWTO for a list of FTP sites for current kernel sources.  <-- tullinga it gives you the answer in the error
[06:49] <^thehatsrule^> oh, so ill have to get both? :<
[06:49] <sig> there is the HOWTO
[06:49] <tullinga> sig, so the problem is the kernel source?
[06:49] <maximaus> jason, I find the firefox from mozilla.org to be faster than the Ubuntu version.
[06:49] <MobyTurbo> ^thehatsrule^, only 2 isos, that's still less than most normal distros.
[06:50] <Madiba> any south africans in here?
[06:50] <sig> tullinga: i'm not sure, check that howto out it pasted to you
[06:50] <jason> maximaus: cool but if I wanted to keep up with all my packages I would LFS :)
[06:51] <maximaus> understood.
[06:51] <tullinga> sig, maybe dumb question. But where is the HOWTO?
[06:51] <sig> beats me dude
[06:51] <sig> hah
[06:51] <tullinga> sig, I am trying to install linux-wlan-ng. Do you know anything about that?
[06:51] <^thehatsrule^> well, yes but everyone has a lazy side ;p
[06:52] <jason> tullinga: what wireless card?
[06:52] <tullinga> jason, dwl-122, usb stick
[06:52] <^thehatsrule^> if i order a few cds, is it only hoary releases in april?
[06:52] <jason> tullinga: I got hostap to work dont think it supports usb
[06:53] <jason> tullinga: i think if you download the kernel sources
[06:53] <MobyTurbo> ^thehatsrule^, right, it's too late to order warty.
[06:53] <jason> then use the config from boot, and make && make modules
[06:53] <^thehatsrule^> :/
[06:53] <^thehatsrule^> ah well, ill go for the install cd then
[06:53] <jason> you can build the module
[06:53] <tullinga> jason, I did download the kernel source. But I dont know enough to compile the stuff or whatevere I need to do
[06:54] <^thehatsrule^> nice mirrors tho :)
[06:54] <^thehatsrule^> very fast
[06:54] <jason> tullinga:
[06:54] <MobyTurbo> ^thehatsrule^, don't worry, you'll be happy. :-)
[06:54] <^thehatsrule^> hehe
[06:54] <^thehatsrule^> wow... its so fast i think ill get the livecd too
[06:54] <^thehatsrule^> hehe, i hope i will be :P
[06:55] <tullinga> jason, sorry did not get the last thing there
[06:55] <jason> if you copy /boot/config-2.6.10-5-386 /usr/src/linux/.config && cd /usr/src/linux && make && make modules
[06:56] <jason> you can build wlan-ng against that
[06:56] <jason> that was how I installed hostap
[06:56] <alec> jason, tullinga, you ought to be able to grab the modules as a .deb, no?
[06:57] <jason> I also needed to change the modules dir in the makefile
[06:57] <jason> alec: the deb modules are for a 2.4 kernel
[06:57] <jason> for hostap anyway
[06:57] <alec> ah
[06:58] <jason> and orinoco_pci is junk for my card
[06:58] <tullinga> alec, I dont know. considering the ndiswrapper instead, but dont know if that is going to be any easier.
[06:58] <spiral> hi back
[06:59] <jason> I think there is a ndis howto somewhere
[06:59] <goldfish> jason: ubuntuforums
[06:59] <tullinga> jason, yes it is
[06:59] <goldfish> or google
[06:59] <goldfish> there was a good link to one in the ubuntuforums
[06:59] <goldfish> i got it working from that
[07:00] <jason> tullinga: I had troubles with both hostap and wlan-ng
[07:00] <tullinga> but I know for sure the wlan-ng supports my usb dwl-122 . and therefore it is maybe best to go for that module???
[07:00] <jason> tullinga: the method I stated worked for hostap
[07:00] <philauge> can anyone help me with libxinerama1 ??
[07:00] <jason> havent tried it on wlan-ng
[07:01] <jason> what sucks is I need to go through the process every time ubuntu updates the kernel
[07:01] <tullinga> could I get away with that using the ndiswrapper_?
[07:01] <pinS> i need help with ndiswrapper
[07:01] <pinS> i dont think its installed right
[07:02] <sig> what file is mpeg2encode in?
[07:02] <jason> I never used it, but in theory it should work.
[07:02] <no0tic> pinS: why?
[07:02] <jason> just read carefully and take your time when going through the steps
[07:03] <jason> I also manually set up my card each time with iwconfig cause I hate gnome/ubuntus gui network setup tool
[07:03] <tullinga> so the problems with wlan-ng is mainly related to kernel stuff then.
[07:03] <[FiDO] > can someone help me with lirc
[07:04] <[FiDO] > I need to get my tv remote working
[07:04] <jason> tullinga: you just need to have compiled the sources to build against
[07:04] <jason> and the config file is in the boot directory
[07:04] <jason> you dont even need to install the kernel
[07:04] <tullinga> jason, i guess. but Im stumbling into so many errors and stuff its easy to give up.
[07:05] <Nobuyuki`> crap on a stick... I tried running xorgconfig to try and redetect my monitor, got the X and then a black scren
[07:05] <ren0> Hi I have had to get on the net with the livecd. Iam running hoary on the harddisk...
[07:05] <tullinga> jason, you mean I dont need the kernel for installing wlan-ng or?
[07:05] <jason> it took me 2 months to make friends with ubuntu for the same reason
[07:05] <jason> wlan-ng is a module
[07:05] <ren0> did an apt-get update & apt-get upgrade last night...
[07:06] <tullinga> jason, which means?
[07:06] <jason> so it needs the source code compiled
[07:06] <thoreauputic> Nobuyuki`: wrong tool -   sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:06] <jason> it is a driver
[07:06] <thoreauputic> instead
[07:06] <ren0> Booted this afternoon and no X. Has this happened to anybody else?
[07:06] <jason> but needs to be compiled against the same config and source code as the kernel
[07:07] <calamari> ren0: luckily no, otherwise I'd have to use windows 2003, eew :)
[07:07] <tullinga> jason, ok. But the problem I get is happening when I do make config for the wlan-ng. during installation I get the error I pasted earlier
[07:07] <Fleebailey33> with this will java runtimes come with hoary or a future realese?
[07:07] <Fleebailey33> http://www.webpronews.com/news/ebusinessnews/wpn-45-20050317SunWantsJavaasOpenSourceasPossible.html
[07:07] <Fleebailey33> there going to try to open source java
[07:07] <jason> paste it for me
[07:07] <Nobuyuki`> thoreauputic:  THANK YOU, will try it now
[07:08] <thoreauputic> Nobuyuki`: I hope the other tool hasn't overwritten the xorg.config - if it has, this one won't work, most likely
[07:08] <tullinga> it says "Build Prism2.5 USB (_usb) driver? (y/n) [n] : y
[07:08] <tullinga> Linux source directory [/usr/src/linux] :
[07:08] <tullinga> Linux source tree /usr/src/linux is incomplete or missing!
[07:08] <tullinga>     The kernel header files are present, but not  the full source code."
[07:08] <jason> ahh
[07:09] <thoreauputic> Nobuyuki`: you might want to move you file before you run it
[07:09] <jason> you installed the kernel sources???
[07:09] <ren0> calamari, I get problems only in hoary. Warty is as sound as a pound.
[07:09] <calamari> ren0: glad I'm sticking with Warty then :)
[07:10] <tullinga> installed? dont know :) i did download it and unzip it. it is the /usr/src/linux directory
[07:10] <jason> then you need to unpack and make a symbolic link to the src
[07:10] <jason> ok warty or hoary?
[07:10] <^thehatsrule^> who comes up with these names lol
[07:11] <Zotnix> Anyone else in hoary experiencing gnome-theme-manager using up 100% CPU and not displaying the little previews corrently (I'm getting a ? in them)
[07:11] <marcin_ant> hi all
[07:11] <thoreauputic> ^thehatsrule^: the amn himself I believe - mark Shuttleworth
[07:11] <thoreauputic> bah the man *
[07:11] <^thehatsrule^> the man?
[07:11] <thoreauputic> yes
[07:11] <^thehatsrule^> hehe
[07:11] <^thehatsrule^> i suppose hes the founder?
[07:11] <marcin_ant> I got a question - why ubuntu uses apt-get and not apt-rsync? what's wrong with apt-rsync?
[07:12] <ren0> There is probably something really obvious that I missed.
[07:12] <^thehatsrule^> whats wrong with apt-get then?
[07:12] <thoreauputic> ^thehatsrule^: he's the guy with the money and the founder, yes
[07:12] <tullinga> jason, the preview version. 5.04
[07:12] <keffo> where do i find a big ubuntu logo? imma write out some stickers.. it should be in good quality and great size
[07:12] <^thehatsrule^> ah
[07:12] <gambit> hello
[07:12] <jason> ok open a root terminal and type uname -a
[07:12] <jason> what does it say?
[07:13] <keffo> where do i find a big ubuntu logo? imma write out some stickers.. it should be in good quality and great size
[07:13] <marcin_ant> ^thehatsrule^: you need fast internet connection to get upgrades
[07:13] <marcin_ant> ^thehatsrule^: especially when you use hoary updates are pretty big
[07:14] <^thehatsrule^> oh i supppose i dont know what rsync is then
[07:14] <gambit> ppl can someone tell me how to use .deb packages?
[07:14] <^thehatsrule^> dpkg -i file
[07:14] <gambit> thank u
[07:14] <tullinga> jason, problem is I am in macos x now. I only have a wireless connection and need to reboot into ubuntu to do that. I have kernel version 2.6.10-4
[07:14] <marcin_ant> ^thehatsrule^: rsync is something that can copy from remote hosts
[07:14] <marcin_ant> ^thehatsrule^: but it copies only differences between files
[07:15] <^thehatsrule^> im not sure about it, but will check on google :P
[07:15] <^thehatsrule^> oh i see
[07:15] <^thehatsrule^> like the diff.tar.gz's?
[07:15] <jason> ok I would try this and then make config
[07:15] <jason> cp /boot/[2:#ubuntu(+cnt)] 
[07:15] <jason> [#ubuntu]  cp /boot/
[07:15] <jason> not that
[07:15] <^thehatsrule^> then you cannot install rsync if you want to - using apt-get? lol
[07:15] <marcin_ant> ^thehatsrule^: http://samba.anu.edu.au/rsync/features.html
[07:16] <thoreauputic> ^thehatsrule^: of course you can :)
[07:16] <gambit> one more question... where can i get gcc compiler?
[07:16] <^thehatsrule^> so whats his problem? lol :P
[07:16] <^thehatsrule^> isnt gcc already in it?
[07:16] <thoreauputic> gambit: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[07:17] <^thehatsrule^> its not? :/
[07:17] <jason> cp /boot/config-2.6.10-4-386 /usr/src/linux/.config && cd /usr/src/linux && make && make modules
[07:17] <tullinga> jason, do that or not that?
[07:17] <jason> that
[07:17] <tullinga> jason , got it
[07:17] <pinS> i got ndiswrapper using a command from here last night
[07:17] <jason> then
[07:17] <jason> try the make config again
[07:17] <pinS> when i do ndiswrapper -l
[07:17] <pinS> it says theres a driver
[07:17] <jason> config may be onfig-2.6.10-4-ppc?
[07:18] <jason> will take like an 1/2 to 1 hour
[07:18] <tullinga> jason, yes it would be ppc. I will try it. back in an hour then :)
[07:18] <jason> good luck
[07:19] <pinS> whenever anyone has time, can you help me install my 802.11g nic
[07:19] <tullinga> thanks
[07:20] <pinS> im not sure whether anything is set write
[07:20] <goodoldunclemike> ? does ubuntu auto configure a network on install...where i can view it..or do i have to configure it
[07:20] <pinS> right*
[07:20] <pinS> goodoldunclemike, i think it does
[07:20] <pinS> did on mine
[07:20] <arek> goodoldunclemike: it does if you got dhcp on your network
[07:21] <arek> you can edit it by hand otherwise
[07:22] <goodoldunclemike> on my harddrive on this computer i have a 20 partition that i let the 2 windows computers use
[07:22] <pinS> i did make and make install from ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net
[07:22] <pinS> can i remove that ndiswrapper and use the one installed by the system
[07:22] <Sion_Barzhad> how do you kill a dir
[07:22] <pinS> rm -fr dir
[07:22] <Ribs> rm -rf dir
[07:22] <arek> sane package is to old to speak with my scanner :(
[07:23] <Sion_Barzhad> i just needed the know the firsdt to letter
[07:23] <Sion_Barzhad> aight rm
[07:23] <arek> debian had no problems ..
[07:23] <Sion_Barzhad> thanks
[07:23] <[-Soultrance-] > hey folks, what file has the list of available resolutions starting from 0 to X where 0 is the default resolution and where is the file ??
[07:24] <goodoldunclemike> witch is the better one of ubuntu..horty or worty
[07:24] <pinS> ok anyone want to jump ship my laptop and configure my nic for moi
[07:24] <pinS> :)
[07:24] <jason> goodoldunclemike: ubuntu is testing
[07:24] <Alex1> hi
[07:24] <Alex1> someone can help me?
[07:24] <Alex1> ERROR **: file gam_tree.c: line 146 (gam_tree_remove): assertion failed: (g_node_n_children(node->node) == 0)
[07:25] <jason> goodoldunclemike: warty is stable
[07:25] <Alex1> i've this msg
[07:25] <Alex1> x will be crash?
[07:25] <LinuxJones> Alex1, what are you trying to do ?
[07:25] <Alex1> nothing
[07:25] <goodoldunclemike> ok
[07:25] <LinuxJones> Alex1, when does that appear ?
[07:25] <Alex1> i'm writing a .php with gedit
[07:25] <jason> goodoldunclemike: hoary is testing rather
[07:26] <Alex1> can i copy shell msg on query?
[07:26] <pinS> testing, and i got it...
[07:26] <pinS> crap
[07:26] <billytwowilly> anyone else getting really slow updates?
[07:26] <kotatsu> billytwowilly: as in download speed?
[07:26] <pinS> brb
[07:26] <Alex1> LinuxJones, can i?
[07:27] <kotatsu> [-Soultrance-] : I think you're looking for /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 or /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:27] <Jesterace> man e17 is cool
[07:27] <[-Soultrance-] > nope
[07:27] <[-Soultrance-] > not those ones, hehje
[07:27] <Nobuyuki`> hey, do any of you guys know what to do if dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg refuses to overwrite xorg.conf because it's been "customized" ?  I'm sorry, total linux n00b here
[07:27] <billytwowilly> kotatsu, yah, download speed
[07:28] <[-Soultrance-] > theres one file that lists all your res from 0 to whatever the end number would be
[07:28] <kotatsu> Nobuyuki`: you could always move the xorg.conf file out of the way
[07:28] <Alex1> ** ERROR **: file gam_tree.c: line 146 (gam_tree_remove): assertion failed: (g_node_n_children(node->node) == 0)
[07:28] <Alex1> aborting...
[07:28] <Alex1> failed to read() from server connection
[07:28] <[-Soultrance-] > and 0 I beleive has an asterisk and is the default
[07:28] <LinuxJones> Nobuyuki`, 1 sec
[07:28] <Alex1> someone can help me?
[07:28] <kotatsu> billytwowilly: yes, it's kind of slow atm... hoary preview increased the load on their servers a lot (lots of switchers from warty, prolly)
[07:28] <kotatsu> billytwowilly: it will probably go back to normal after hoary is released and everyone has their copy
[07:29] <Alex1> it gave me this error 3 days ago
[07:29] <arek> [-Soultrance-] : yes its xfree.conf and xorg.conf
[07:29] <Alex1> and X was crashed
[07:29] <LinuxJones> Nobuyuki`, >> http://pastebin.ca/7707
[07:29] <Alex1> i reinstall hall
[07:30] <[-Soultrance-] > I have xf86config-4 and thats not the file I am refering too
[07:30] <[-Soultrance-] > I don't have xorg in
[07:30] <Nobuyuki`> thanks LinuxJones, I'm assuming cp = copy
[07:30] <gambit[n00b] > where can i get "glib"?
[07:30] <LinuxJones> Nobuyuki`, yes
[07:30] <billytwowilly> kotatsu, are there any plans to have a bunch of mirrors like mandrake et al have?
[07:31] <[-Soultrance-] > gambit: try apt-get install glib ?
[07:31] <Dakko> imo, the download link at the website's server is fast enough
[07:31] <xerox> Hi!
[07:31] <Dakko> Faster (to me) than you'd get with the next card
[07:31] <gambit[n00b] > apt-get install glib doesn't work
[07:31] <Dakko> Er, mirror
[07:31] <[-Soultrance-] > hmm
[07:31] <LinuxJones> gambit[n00b] , what do you want that for ?
[07:31] <kotatsu> billytwowilly: I don't know. I know debian has a large number of mirrors but I've always used archive.ubuntu.com... pinging it resolves the same IP address each time, so I assume it's not round robin like pool.ntp.org
[07:31] <xerox> Do you know how to change the language of the gaim spellchecker? I don't want it to check for english :(
[07:32] <[-Soultrance-] > I'm a n00b to, so I was only guessing :P
[07:32] <kotatsu> ubuntu is sponsored + community, so I guess they might have reasons for keeping it centralized *shrug*
[07:32] <LinuxJones> gambit[n00b] , midnight commander is available for download from the apt repository unless you need to compile your own
[07:33] <LinuxJones> gambit[n00b] , you will have to add the universe repository to get it tho
[07:34] <kotatsu> you can probably rsync your own repository though
[07:35] <LinuxJones> gambit[n00b] , are you runnign hoary ?
[07:36] <LinuxJones> gambit[n00b] , did you install the Warty or Hoary version of Ubuntu
[07:36] <LinuxJones> gambit[n00b] , if you type cat /etc/issue in console it will tell you if your not sure
[07:37] <Lamorack> o/
[07:38] <ruben> Hi
[07:38] <LinuxJones> gambit[n00b] , go here and use the synaptic directions >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-09-30.5359349801/view?searchterm=synaptic
[07:38] <Lamorack> =)
[07:38] <ruben> Does anyone know where to enable numlock at startup?
[07:39] <da_root> hi
[07:39] <ruben> hi
[07:40] <ruben> Does anyone know where to enable numlock at startup?
[07:40] <da_root> what have i to do when i want to start something on startup, means startup automaticly a script!??
[07:41] <Xappe> ruben, sudo apt-get install numlockx
[07:41] <jmki> ruben: my guess would be /etc/console-tools/config
[07:41] <jmki> ruben: add LEDS=+num
[07:41] <ruben> ah thx
[07:41] <vaijr2002> can anyone help a min . well hope it only takes a min
[07:41] <jmki> ruben: for X, use what Xappe suggested
[07:41] <vaijr2002> i am getting this error. i have searched forums but cant fixxie
[07:42] <ruben> ok
[07:42] <ruben> thx
[07:42] <vaijr2002> ERROR 1064 at line 1: You have an error in your SQL syntax.  Check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 's Happy Haven cont.' WHERE 1 and file='config' and var='hub_nam
[07:42] <vaijr2002> verlihub
[07:42] <vaijr2002> sorry
[07:42] <vaijr2002> forgot about pasting in main
[07:42] <ruben> have been looking for a while ant it just wouldn't work :)
[07:42] <knudsen_> Hello. Some days ago I installed Ubunto (the new preview), and I installed totem-xine without any problems. Now I have made a freash installation, and if I want to install totem-xine, I have to uninstall ubuntu-desktop. Afterwards totem will not start ... does anybody know what to do?
[07:43] <da_root> do you use synaptic?
[07:43] <knudsen_> yes
[07:43] <Xappe> apt-get totem-xine maybe?
[07:43] <LinuxJones> knudsen_, don't worry about ubuntu-desktop, try running totem-xine from a command line and see what error it pops up with.
[07:43] <jason> what is in ubuntu-desktop?
[07:44] <Xappe> ah, sorry. I misread
[07:44] <knudsen_> LinuxJones: believe it or not: It lacks libnautilus-cdburn.so.0 (or something like that)
[07:44] <da_root> perhaps restart totem with synaptic?!?
[07:44] <knudsen_> restart totem?!
[07:44] <kotatsu> jason: meta package that depends on all the important desktop stuff
[07:44] <LinuxJones> knudsen_, wtf
[07:44] <vaijr2002> any ideas with my prob Xappe?
[07:44] <kasper> i think ill be deleting suse 9.1 totally now
[07:44] <ruben> eum does anyone of you play ET in linux?
[07:44] <jason> kotatsu: thanks :)
[07:44] <kotatsu> kasper: in favor of ubuntu?
[07:44] <kasper> i feel as if im cheating on my partner dual booting kubuntu and suse
[07:45] <vaijr2002> lol
[07:45] <Xappe> vaijr2002, nope, I have no need to run a dc hub. I just use the clients...
[07:45] <knudsen_> LinuxJones: it sounds strange ... especially since nautilus-cdburn IS installed...
[07:45] <Burgaway> jason: generally, once you have a stable system, you don't need ubuntu-desktop
[07:45] <vaijr2002> lol ok Xappe
[07:45] <DavidH86> kasper:thats funny
[07:45] <kasper> kubuntu needs a medal!
[07:45] <LinuxJones> knudsen_, try updatedb as root
[07:45] <kasper> trophy!
[07:45] <da_root> does anyone can help me, with automaticly startup a programm at startup!
[07:45] <Burgaway> jason: however, until hoary releases, I would keep it
[07:45] <kotatsu> yay, another ubuntu convert ^^
[07:45] <Burgaway> da_root: session manager
[07:45] <knudsen_> LinuxJones: hmmm ... doesn't that just "update" locate?
[07:45] <LinuxJones> knudsen_, that probably won't matter but...
[07:45] <kasper> more  than convert,,, total linux user rewrite!
[07:46] <kasper> you fucking whores
[07:46] <kasper> lol
[07:46] <Burgaway> da_root: system-->prefs-->sessions
[07:46] <da_root> and this will also start when i don't start kde?
[07:46] <Burgaway> da_root: that is gnome, userspace stuff
[07:46] <kotatsu> I'm very much a fan of ubuntu... used debian before warty but it's really nice not to have to worry about keeping track of all the necessary stuff to have a coherent desktop
[07:46] <Burgaway> da_root: do you want start a program before you login?
[07:47] <ruben> I also have a prob with ET I can play it fine for about 15 minutes and then the console just shuts down and says there was a segmentation error
[07:47] <da_root> jep before login like nic startup!
[07:47] <kasper> i want to open  up a #ubuntu channel on my ircd
[07:47] <vaijr2002> crrrappers
[07:47] <vaijr2002> hmm
[07:47] <kasper> ne australian ununtu users here?
[07:47] <_d4vid> hi all
[07:47] <vaijr2002> ok well gonna go look for some more help ttyl everyone
[07:47] <LinuxJones> knudsen_, fire up synaptic and see if totem-xine has any conflicts besides ubuntu-desktop
[07:47] <Burgaway> da_root: you need to add a script to /etc/init.d with it symlinked to the right runlevel
[07:48] <ruben> by
[07:48] <Burgaway> linuxboy: it doesn
[07:48] <Burgaway> LinuxJones: it doesn't
[07:48] <kasper> LinuxJones, use kaffein instead of totem for kubuntu
[07:48] <knudsen_> LinuxJones: it has to uinstall totem, totem-gstreamer, and ubuntu-desktop
[07:48] <keffo> hm
[07:48] <keffo> where do i put them splashscreens?
[07:49] <LinuxJones> knudsen_, I use gxine and avoid totem as it isn't really in great shape yet :)
[07:49] <kotatsu> LinuxJones: what's wrong with totem?
[07:49] <Spooks> Anyone got an opinion on best HD make?
[07:49] <sevas_26> hi all
[07:49] <kotatsu> LinuxJones: your problems might be with totem-gstreamer, not totem itself
[07:50] <LinuxJones> kotatsu, it's a pain
[07:50] <keffo> where do i put them splashscreens?
[07:50] <knudsen_> LinuxJones: I also thougt of that, but I would like totem to create thumbnails for my video files ...
[07:50] <kotatsu> LinuxJones: gstreamer is a kickass idea, but not quite the best backend for media playback yet >_<
[07:50] <Armando> Greetings! Wanted to know if Ubuntu supports xfree86?
[07:50] <kotatsu> hard to beat gstreamer for media conversion though... was playing with it the other day
[07:50] <Armando> Also does it support DRM (Direct Rendering Manager).
[07:50] <apokryphos> Armando: it's the default in Warty
[07:50] <knudsen_> kotatsu: I cannot even play an mpeg-file with totem ...
[07:51] <kotatsu> knudsen_: do you have totem-xine installed?
[07:51] <apokryphos> Armando: in hoary, it is supported but not the default.
[07:51] <maximaus> apt-get install totem-xine solves a lot of headaches.
[07:51] <LinuxJones> kotatsu, it's coming along and I will move to it when things get a little more settled down with it
[07:51] <knudsen_> kotatsu: If I install totem-xine, totem wont start ...
[07:51] <kotatsu> LinuxJones: what's coming along, exactly?
[07:51] <Armando> apokryphos: does the default installation give you hoary?
[07:51] <maximaus> I like how totem makes installing new codecs a snap. :)
[07:51] <kotatsu> LinuxJones: no problem with using gxine, I'm just curious what needs work in totem
[07:51] <kotatsu> it's a quick and dirty way to play media using a xine backend
[07:52] <kotatsu> I don't use it for watching dvds and stuff but for media clips I find totem quite easy
[07:52] <sevas_26> guy's, can I install ubuntu ontop suse, whitout erasing /home
[07:52] <apokryphos> Armando: Ubuntu Warty is currently the Stable Version. Hoary is technically in developement, but the vast majority of users are using it already. Preview came out recently.
[07:52] <gfxstyler> hi
[07:52] <LinuxJones> kotatsu, totem
[07:52] <knudsen_> kotatsu: I wonder why it worked when I made an installation some days ago ...
[07:52] <gfxstyler> is there a way to make the ubuntu fonts smaller
[07:52] <Vjaz_> sevas_26: there's a good reason to have a separate home partition :-/
[07:52] <gfxstyler> (i already tried the fontmanager but it has no effect)
[07:52] <apokryphos> Armando: I recommend hoary if you want all the new apps etc. Switching to xfree on hoary is trivial.
[07:52] <kotatsu> knudsen_: not sure - try running it on a command line and see if you get error messages
[07:52] <sevas_26> mm
[07:52] <knudsen_> kotatsu: believe it or not: It lacks libnautilus-cdburn.so.0 (or something like that)
[07:53] <keffo> anyone knows where i change splashscreen?
[07:53] <Armando> apokryphos: Ok, thanx. I'll install the source when I get better at linux. Long time Windows user and not a programer so its gonna take a while :-) But finaly I found that my ATI Radeon 345M Card is 3D Hardware supported.
[07:53] <sevas_26> [gfx]  need to make  another partit. n' puto all my /home there ?
[07:53] <farruinn> gfxstyler: in preferences>fonts you can change the dpi
[07:53] <Echylo> lovely
[07:53] <Echylo> apt-get moo
[07:53] <kotatsu> knudsen_: uh... for burning CDs in totem? I don't follow
[07:53] <apokryphos> Armando: Switching to Linux was the best computer decision I ever made. :)
[07:53] <farruinn> gfxstyler: it's 92 by default, you can lower it to make the fonts smaller
[07:53] <knudsen_> kotastsu: I don't understand it either ... it's strange!
[07:53] <mellum> Hi. Can anybody say something about the completeness of the German translation in 5.04? Would I be better off with 4.10?
[07:53] <gfxstyler> farruinn: yes but somehow since i installed kde they are bigger
[07:54] <knudsen_> kotastu: and nautilus-cdburn *is* installed ...
[07:54] <kotatsu> knudsen_: if you can get the output from totem I might be able to help you track down the problem
[07:54] <farruinn> gfxstyler: in gnome or just kde?
[07:54] <gfxstyler> in gnome
[07:54] <gfxstyler> farruinn: i have to set the dpi to 80 to make it look like before
[07:54] <apokryphos> Armando: if you should need any help, just come and ask in here. :) Takes some time to get used to, but once you do, it's great.
[07:55] <selphish> how do i get ubuntu warty to load enlightment instead of gnome?
[07:55] <knudsen_> kotatsu: It simply says "cannot find shared library libnautilus-burncd.so.0" (or cdburn, I do not remember)
[07:55] <gfxstyler> selphish: in gdm u can select enlightement and if you load it it should ask you to make it default
[07:55] <kotatsu> selphish: I think you're looking for /desktop/gnome/applications/window_manager/current in gconf
[07:55] <LinuxJones> selphish, it should appear un sessions in the GDM login screen
[07:55] <farruinn> selphish: what I did was install fluxbox so I could get an understandable xsessions/*.desktop file to convert for e
[07:56] <farruinn> selphish: I can /msg you mine if you want
[07:56] <kotatsu> knudsen_: does that file exist on your system?
[07:56] <Armando> apokryphos: Yup :) Installed it last night but couldnt get my wirless card to work.  But since then Ive been working on learning the system so should be able to configure it adequately by the weekend :)
[07:56] <knudsen_> kotatsu: I'll take a look ... to sec
[07:56] <Hedley> It's Frank! From Frank's Factory Flooring!~!~!~!~!
[07:56] <apokryphos> Armando: nice :)
[07:57] <Armando> apokryphos: hehe yup.  Ok, be back later then Bye!
[07:57] <popeye> Anyone knows how to see what modules are possible to install in my kernel
[07:57] <knudsen_> kotatsu: The right message is: "totem: error while loading shared libraries: libnautilus-burn.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[07:57] <knudsen_> ", and the file does not exist ...
[07:57] <LinuxJones> popey, modprobe -l
[07:58] <popeye> thanks
[07:58] <^thehatsrule^> oh, are nvidia drivers included on cd?
[07:58] <gfxstyler> @all: is there a way to fake dropshadows in gnome like kde does?
[07:58] <LinuxJones> ^thehatsrule^, no
[07:58] <^thehatsrule^> oh dang
[07:58] <apokryphos> ^thehatsrule^: you can apt for them
[07:58] <LinuxJones> ^thehatsrule^, it's only a few meg download
[07:59] <aman> hi all
[07:59] <^thehatsrule^> is it possible to set up while livecd?
[07:59] <^thehatsrule^> editing on ramdisk i guess
[08:00] <kotatsu> knudsen_: does /usr/lib/libnautilus-burn.so.0 exist on your system?
[08:00] <Jesterace> wow hoary upgrades aplenty
[08:01] <knudsen_> kotatsu: there are files called blablabla.1 and blablabla.1.0.0 but not blablabla.0
[08:01] <kotatsu> knudsen_: using hoary?
[08:01] <knudsen_> kotatsu: I am using 5.04
[08:01] <loren> anyone tried Kubuntu?
[08:02] <DXT> anyone knows of a freeware app to convert .ape to .mp3?
[08:02] <apokryphos> loren: many people, yes :). If you want, see #kubuntu
[08:02] <loren> awsome :)
[08:02] <kotatsu> knudsen_: totem shouldn't be looking for .0 then.... try $ sudo apt-get install --reinstall totem-xine libnautilus-burn1
[08:03] <stianh> Hello
[08:03] <kotatsu> hi
[08:03] <knudsen_> kotatsu: it's still the same. ..
[08:03] <gfxstyler> hi
[08:03] <stianh> dumb question: what would happen if I change the repos from warty ones to hoary ones
[08:03] <stianh> ?
[08:03] <stianh> and try to install stuff
[08:03] <kotatsu> knudsen_: hmmm, not sure... if you make a symlink of the correct name does it work?
[08:03] <farruinn> stianh: you would be running hoary =)
[08:04] <kotatsu> stianh: probably upgrade you without any problems
[08:04] <Jesterace> stianh, well it would likely turn into hoary :P
[08:04] <kotatsu> stianh: *probably* =P
[08:04] <stianh> hehe, neat :)
[08:04] <kotatsu> I had to fight with the deps a little bit, but I dist-upgraded mid-hoary
[08:05] <Snecklifter> what version of mysql, php and apache does hoary come with?
[08:05] <stianh> Oh what the heck, I'm bored, so if things break I'll have something to do :D
[08:05] <knudsen_> kotatsu: It get's even more strange: totem: relocation error: totem: undefined symbol: bacon_cd_selection_new
[08:05] <Po|^20> Buenas tardes
[08:05] <Snecklifter> buenos noches
[08:05] <stianh> thanks guys
[08:06] <Po|^20> (es ms fcil q el Ubuntu se connecte al IRC q el Windows, para muestra: un botn)
[08:06] <kotatsu> Snecklifter: apache 1.3.33 and 2.0.53
[08:06] <stianh> buenos nachos? :P
[08:06] <pinS> that is just cool
[08:06] <^thehatsrule^> lol
[08:06] <kotatsu> Snecklifter: php4.3.10
[08:06] <Snecklifter> ah cheers kotatsu
[08:06] <Snecklifter> drat
[08:06] <kotatsu> Snecklifter: mysql 4.0.23
[08:06] <Snecklifter> right, thanks muchly
[08:06] <Po|^20> Pregunta: estoy en Ubuntua ahora mismo, pero con un problema, no consigo que reproduzca mp3, puede alguien ayudarme ?
[08:06] <kotatsu> welcome
[08:07] <Snecklifter> needing 5 and 4.1 of the latter
[08:07] <kotatsu> Snecklifter: why the drat? php?
[08:07] <gfxstyler> muahahaa ubuntu is just perfect :
[08:07] <Snecklifter> I'm having an awful problem with a LAMP solution I'm working in
[08:07] <Snecklifter> but it uses mysqli
[08:08] <Snecklifter> so I really would like to be using php5 and mysql 4.1
[08:08] <kotatsu> ah, so you need the newest versions to fix a bug?
[08:08] <Snecklifter> well, not sure
[08:08] <kotatsu> didn't even know PHP was on version 5 =P
[08:08] <Snecklifter> yeah, its not production yet but getting there
[08:08] <kotatsu> ah, ok
[08:08] <^thehatsrule^> Po|^20: puede jugar cualquier cosa ?
[08:08] <Snecklifter> even php coders are starting to call themselves programmers!
[08:09] <kotatsu> hehe
[08:09] <kotatsu> <-- 0 experience in php!
[08:09] <Snecklifter> becuase its got some basic OO stuff in there
[08:09] <kotatsu> I don't really like coding much, actually
[08:09] <Snecklifter> well ive got about 2/100
[08:09] <Snecklifter> but the learning curve is steep
[08:09] <gfxstyler> is there a special reason why "iwconfig wlan0 essid acer" doesnt work?
[08:10] <kotatsu> I know enough java to be passable and I can write asp/vbscript if forced
[08:10] <kotatsu> but what I'm really coming to love is shell scripting... it's so easy to do so much quickly compared to programming heh
[08:10] <Snecklifter> i'll pretend i didnt hear the latter bit....
[08:10] <popeye> how do i see wich modules are on in the kernel
[08:10] <Snecklifter> yeah, shell is good
[08:10] <kotatsu> I'd like to get into python as some point
[08:10] <kotatsu> but time is always at a premium
[08:10] <selphish> jh
[08:10] <Snecklifter> check out bashpodder for a good but effective shell script
[08:11] <Snecklifter> and jono bacon at lugradio has done some good experimental stuff with python
[08:11] <kasper> wheres ubuntu kde3 installed?
[08:11] <kotatsu> isn't showing up in apt - is there a website for bashpodder?
[08:11] <kasper> its not in /opt/kde3
[08:11] <Snecklifter> yeah, just google it
[08:12] <kotatsu> another neat one is beanshell
[08:12] <kotatsu> played with that for a day or two, although I don't really have a use for it beyond curiousity
[08:12] <Snecklifter> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/tllts/
[08:12] <kotatsu> http://linc.homeunix.org:8080/scripts/bashpodder/
[08:12] <kotatsu> hahaha
[08:12] <kotatsu> love the logo
[08:12] <Snecklifter> thats the one
[08:12] <pinS> sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[08:12] <pinS> FATAL: Could not open '/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-686/misc/ndiswrapper.ko': No such file or directory
[08:12] <Po|^20> ^thehatsrule^:  que si puedo jugar ?
[08:12] <pinS> ^^ ??
[08:13] <Snecklifter> check out the show too, really chilled out but good chaps on the mic
[08:13] <Snecklifter> okay, thanks for the quick info on LAMP kotatsu
[08:14] <Snecklifter> gotta run
[08:14] <^thehatsrule^> Po|^20 s, usted hace el sonido instalar y trabaja?
[08:14] <pinS> anyone?
[08:14] <elTigre> help! my computer fucked up...
[08:14] <kotatsu> bye, good luck
[08:14] <^thehatsrule^> btw, Po|^20 : http://babelfish.altavista.com
[08:14] <elTigre> I can't install a kernel that works -.-
[08:14] <Po|^20> para ?
[08:14] <elTigre> I always get this "can't mount root filesystem"
[08:15] <^thehatsrule^> Po|^20: xmms?
[08:15] <elTigre> my root fs is a reiserfs.... one of my kernel works, 2.6.11-1-i686 ... but when I run gnome-session the computer hangs and I can't install any nvidia driver
[08:15] <elTigre> any idea?
[08:15] <tritium> elTigre, 2.6.11 isn't supported yet
[08:15] <^thehatsrule^> lol i just use ext3
[08:16] <tritium> only up to 2.6.10 has linux-restricted-modules, which provides nvidia support
[08:16] <elTigre> yep but 2.6.10 won't boot
[08:16] <^thehatsrule^> like, whats the advantage of all those new fs? :/
[08:16] <chickenman> i am back people !! :D
[08:16] <tritium> elTigre, why?  What's the problem?
[08:17] <beowuff> is there a command to kick a user off a pts? I had ssh tme out and it shows I have 3 pty's open...
[08:17] <tritium> elTigre, you should try the latest update to 2.6.10.  It should work
[08:17] <kaouete> even with reiserfs ?
[08:17] <^thehatsrule^> is it a process? cant you just kill it then
[08:17] <pinS> sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[08:17] <pinS> FATAL: Could not open '/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-686/misc/ndiswrapper.ko': No such file or directory
[08:18] <elTigre> well, I will try and delete all kernels now -.-
[08:18] <elTigre> and then try to install something with the ubuntu logo
[08:18] <kaouete> :)
[08:18] <GeP> kuku
[08:19] <elTigre> which package should I use to install a kernel?
[08:19] <tritium> elTigre, save yourself a working kernel just in case you have problems
[08:20] <tritium> elTigre, linux-image-2.6.10
[08:20] <tritium> -<your architecture>
[08:21] <pinS> no one here knows about my error with ndiswrapper?
[08:22] <tritium> elTigre, just sudo apt-get install linux-image-686, for example
[08:22] <elTigre> ok...
[08:22] <mips1> pinS, is the file actually there ?
[08:22] <tritium> elTigre, what architecture do you have?
[08:23] <elTigre> athlon xp
[08:23] <elTigre> i386
[08:23] <billytwowilly> anyone else running an ati graphics card and getting really funky messed up colors? it was fine until the last update and reboot.
[08:23] <LordGrunt> heya, anyone else had some performance problems with mplayer?
[08:24] <Xappe> billytwowilly, do not lick the stamps with smileys
[08:24] <elTigre> well I will try and reboot now....
[08:25] <billytwowilly> Xappe,  that's actually what it is kind of like;) I'm trying to take a screen shot to show you guys.
[08:25] <arek> where is the list of things finnished and things still to be done for hoarty?
[08:25] <Xappe> billytwowilly, now i'm afraid to reboot
[08:26] <billytwowilly> Xappe, wait a minute and I should have a screen up.
[08:27] <farruinn> everyone smile
[08:27] <billytwowilly> Xappe, http://members.shaw.ca/quilley/snapshot1.png
[08:28] <billytwowilly> those gigantic purple circle things are not supposed to be there.. or the graininess of the icons.
[08:28] <LinuxJones> pinS, did you read the howto on the Ubuntu website ?
[08:28] <pinS> ya
[08:28] <pinS> that error pop up
[08:28] <pinS> im gonna reformat to start all over
[08:28] <pinS> bbl
[08:29] <GeP> 'tenda
[08:29] <pinS> seems like something i screwed up
[08:29] <pinS> will the file be there after the reformat
[08:30] <Xappe> billytwowilly, haha, you fool. that screenshot looks perfectly fine to us, since don't have your graphics problem :)
[08:30] <odie5533> Is ubuntu slow for anyone else?
[08:30] <odie5533> It seems slower than windows xp =/
[08:31] <Spooks> Not for me
[08:31] <Spooks> And my system is poo
[08:31] <billytwowilly> Xappe, that's weird. I looked at it in firefox and it looked weird.
[08:31] <Spooks> Poo  I say
[08:31] <odie5533> I have 512mb DDR PC2700 and a 2.6gHz
[08:31] <Xappe> billytwowilly, but if you take a screenshot with a digital camera :)
[08:31] <billytwowilly> Xappe, looked the same weird as the desktop
[08:32] <Xappe> billytwowilly, hmm
[08:32] <phxguy> hi...
[08:32] <phxguy> can someone help me out with a mounting issue?
[08:32] <odie5533> Is there any form filler and password saver like AI Roboform for Linux?
[08:32] <Xappe> billytwowilly, how screwed up should it be?
[08:33] <pinS> why does ubuntu install 386 files while my lappy is 2.66ghz pentium
[08:33] <billytwowilly> two pink purple circles with the bottom right corner as the center.
[08:33] <billytwowilly> Plus grainy icons.
[08:33] <billytwowilly> I'm going to reboot again and pray that the windows solution fixes it;)
[08:33] <LinuxJones> Anybody using Yahoo Mail with Evolution ?
[08:33] <phxguy> ubuntu is not seeing Windows Drive (hda)
[08:33] <thenuke> pinS: because only kernel is compiled for different archtitectures
[08:34] <Xappe> billytwowilly, it looks perfectly fine here
[08:34] <billytwowilly> ok. bbiab
[08:34] <phxguy> ANybidy???
[08:34] <phxguy> Anybody?
[08:35] <libpng> phxguy, sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda
[08:35] <phxguy> do i do that in a terminal window?
[08:35] <libpng> sure
[08:35] <ren0> I was able to solve my Xorg problem with hoary by using sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg...
[08:35] <libpng> it ll give the partition list
[08:35] <treke> I've got a question about security updates for universe in ubuntu. The source.list file indicates that no security updates are done to packages in the universe section of ubuntu, while the wiki indicates that the Ubuntu Security Team maintains security updates on the universe repository. Which of these statements is actually accurate?
[08:36] <ren0> ..Then I followed the destructions.
[08:36] <rvirani> I have hoary
[08:36] <rvirani> how do I install kubuntu-desktop
[08:36] <apokryphos> rvirani: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[08:36] <phxguy> ok libpng it shows it there how do i get it to mount??
[08:36] <rvirani> apokryphos,  you wish it was that easy
[08:36] <rvirani> duh
[08:36] <thoreauputic> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[08:37] <rvirani> lol
[08:37] <LinuxJones> rvirani, have you done apt-get update first ?
[08:37] <apokryphos> rvirani: it is. :) Enable the repositories
[08:37] <DarthFrog> rvirani: It is that easy.
[08:37] <DarthFrog> apokryphos: KDE is in main now.
[08:37] <rvirani> nope
[08:37] <Loevborg> this is really annoyning - ripping with cdparanoia is painfully slow on by hoary install with a nec dvd writer.
[08:37] <rvirani> cant find it
[08:37] <rvirani> so its not that easy
[08:37] <apokryphos> DarthFrog: Good point (which I forgot); though, some packages still in Universe.
[08:37] <LinuxJones> rvirani, apt-get update first
[08:37] <rvirani> so where do I get the repositories from?
[08:37] <apokryphos> DarthFrog: all stuff necessary for k-desktop is in main though, I think.
[08:38] <Xappe> Loevborg, have you tried to turn on dma?
[08:38] <libpng> phxguy, which partition do u wanna mount ? and what is its type nyfs or fat32 ?
[08:38] <rvirani> same thing
[08:38] <Loevborg> Xappe, yes, it doesn't chang a thing.
[08:38] <rvirani> not working
[08:38] <odyssey> Loevborg dma enabled? that might speed things up
[08:38] <apokryphos> rvirani: don't worry about that; just apt-get update; then the command above
[08:38] <DarthFrog> rvirani: Use synaptic to add repositories.  It will ask you about universe and multiverse.
[08:38] <rvirani> I did
[08:38] <apokryphos> rvirani: what's the error message?
[08:38] <Loevborg> Xappe, it used to be disabled though, which is weird.
[08:38] <rvirani> I added all the repos
[08:38] <rvirani> E" Couldnt find package kubuntu-desktop
[08:38] <Loevborg> Xappe, maybe that means that ide controller interaction is bad...
[08:38] <LinuxJones> rvirani, output the /etc/apt/sources.lst file to www.pastebin.ca then post the link here
[08:38] <phxguy> linpng; there is only one partitoin on the Disk. I would like to mount the whole thing. It is NTFS.. So i know it will be read only which is fine with me....
[08:38] <Xappe> Loevborg, i know. I got sluggish dvd playback on my ibook until I turned dma on
[08:39] <thoreauputic> rvirani: you reloaded ?
[08:39] <DarthFrog> rvirani: Use synaptice to enable the repositories, update package lists and then install kubuntu-desktop.  All from synaptic.  You don't have to use apt-get, synaptic will do it all for you.
[08:39] <phxguy> I have Ubuntu installed on a different physical disk (hdb1)
[08:39] <libpng> phxguy, paste the output (sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda)
[08:39] <ali> i got a problem: my fresh hoary install freezes after 2-3hours. i have nvidia drivers
[08:39] <phxguy> /dev/hda1   *           1       14592   117210208+   7  HPFS/NTFS
[08:40] <rvirani> http://pastebin.ca/7712
[08:40] <LinuxJones> ali, sounds like a hardware problem is you system running hot ?
[08:40] <libpng> phxguy, sudo mkdir /mnt/ntfs
[08:40] <DarthFrog> rvirani: Synaptic has a search function, you can use it to find kubuntu-desktop.
[08:40] <ali> nope..
[08:40] <apokryphos> rvirani: you commented out the repos you need
[08:40] <Loevborg> /dev/hdc: using_dma    =  1 (on)  -- hope that actually means that enabling dma worked.
[08:40] <ali> LinuxJones, nope
[08:40] <rvirani> I know what synaptic is you tool
[08:40] <libpng> phxguy, sudo mount /dev/hda1 -t ntfs /mnt/ntfs -o ro,umask=000
[08:40] <apokryphos> rvirani: and you have warty repos there
[08:40] <rvirani> apokryphonaptics, must be a bug, I checked all of them in sy
[08:40] <libpng> phxguy, cd /mnt/ntfs && ls -l
[08:40] <rvirani> I checked all I saw
[08:40] <NetwrkMonkey> in gnome how do i make keycode 174 turn up the volume and keycode 176 turn it down?
[08:41] <rvirani> let me go and manually do it
[08:41] <rvirani> Im running hoary
[08:41] <DarthFrog> rvirani: You're running Warty.
[08:41] <apokryphos> rvirani: hold on, let me send you my repositories.
[08:41] <pinPoint> im reformating my lappy
[08:41] <apokryphos> rvirani: what does cat /etc/issue give?
[08:41] <DarthFrog> rvirani: Well, your sources.list say warty.
[08:41] <ali> LinuxJones, it worked in warty, but in hoary..it freezes
[08:41] <LinuxJones> rvirani, you should uncomment the line >> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted    as well
[08:41] <LinuxJones> ali, mmm
[08:41] <rvirani> exec -o cat /etc/issue
[08:41] <rvirani> Ubuntu 5.04 "Hoary Hedgehog" Development Branch \n \l
[08:41] <phxguy> libpng... Its is mounted.... How do I get it to AutoMount on Startup... I did not see it listed in my fstab
[08:42] <apokryphos> rvirani: ok, hold on, I'll send you my sources.list
[08:42] <libpng> phxguy, sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[08:42] <apokryphos> rvirani: www.youmortals.com/stuff/ubuntu/sources.list
[08:42] <rvirani> updating
[08:43] <ali> LinuxJones, it happends after 3-2 hours..can i mail you my xlog, and my xconfig so you find if anythunf is wrong
[08:43] <rvirani> I uncommented all the hoary stuff
[08:43] <apokryphos> rvirani: replace that file with your current onen, then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get kubuntu-desktop
[08:43] <phxguy> ok  libpng i have fstab opened....
[08:43] <rvirani> dont know why it was commented in the first place
[08:43] <ali> anything*
[08:43] <rvirani> perhaps I should submit a bug
[08:43] <libpng> phxguy, and add this line "/dev/hda1    /mnt/ntfs   ntfs   users,umask=0,ro   0   0"
[08:43] <apokryphos> rvirani: you still have warty stuff there... and other problems. Replace it with the one above and you'll be fine.
[08:43] <rvirani> I commented all the warty stuff
[08:43] <pinPoint> is there a way to have your own sources run at your own server
[08:44] <phxguy> ok libpng That is done. Should I save it now???
[08:44] <treke> looks like universe does get some kind of security releases
[08:44] <libpng> phxguy, sure
[08:44] <LinuxJones> ali, it could be a hundred things :(
[08:44] <phxguy> kewl. thanks... I have one More.... I have a External Maxtor USB Drive.... Which I would like to add to fstab also
[08:45] <ali> LinuxJones, hmmm...
[08:45] <rvirani> apokryphos, thanx
[08:45] <arek> ali search your logs not only xfree logs but others also see what dmesg says
[08:45] <apokryphos> rvirani: np :)
[08:45] <pinPoint> hey its installing kernel linux-386
[08:45] <rvirani> they should fix the sources.list in hoary I guess
[08:45] <pinPoint> why why why!!!
[08:45] <pinPoint> my system is 686
[08:45] <ali> arek, ok
[08:45] <apokryphos> rvirani: the sources.list by default are just fine. ;-)
[08:45] <libpng> phxguy, when u plugged it look "dmesg | tail" what it says?
[08:46] <rvirani> apokryphos, mine didnt work
[08:46] <LinuxJones> pinPoint, covers more ground
[08:46] <phxguy> I already have a folder for it /media/MAXTOR120
[08:46] <pinPoint> what?
[08:46] <rvirani> not for kubuntu-desktop
[08:46] <rvirani> kubuntu says just do apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[08:46] <rvirani> but it doesnt work by default
[08:46] <pinPoint> LinuxJones: then i have to get rid of it to install ndiswrapper...
[08:46] <pinPoint> double work for nothing
[08:46] <apokryphos> rvirani: it does, if your repositories were alright
[08:46] <libpng> phxguy, what is its type ? fat or ntfs ?
[08:47] <Cred_> Hi ho. I was wondering if someone here has a USB device called "Wireless PC Lock". A USB key and a keyring that locks computer automaticly if appart more than 2meters.. :)
[08:47] <phxguy> it is also NTFS
[08:47] <Riddell> rvirani: what doesn't work?
[08:47] <LinuxJones> pinPoint, the 386 kernel is default because it will work with all those intel/amd processors
[08:47] <chickenman> where are the files stored after they are compiled with G++ ??
[08:47] <pinPoint> so i can keep it and still have ndiswrapper work
[08:47] <pinPoint> without problems
[08:47] <LinuxJones> pinPoint, you can always install the 686 kernel image after
[08:47] <pinPoint> no no too much work
[08:47] <phxguy> linpng... when i typed that command I get a bunch of error msgs
[08:47] <chickenman> where are the files stored after they are compiled with G++ ??
[08:48] <LinuxJones> pinPoint, you don't have high speed Internet ?
[08:48] <pinPoint> i do
[08:48] <pinPoint> install then boot into it
[08:48] <pinPoint> then uninstall 386
[08:48] <pinPoint> double work
[08:48] <chickenman> where are the files stored after they are compiled with G++ ?? please help!!
[08:48] <pinPoint> it could have just done 686
[08:48] <LinuxJones> pinPoint, ok all you have to do is apt-get update && apt-get install linux-image-686
[08:48] <pinPoint> with sudo
[08:49] <LinuxJones> pinPoint, it takes like 2 minutes :D
[08:49] <thoreauputic> pinPoint: you don't have to uninstall a thing
[08:49] <pinPoint> alright
[08:49] <pinPoint> will do that
[08:49] <chickenman> where are the files stored after they are compiled with G++ ?? Some one help me i don't have all night to wait
[08:49] <LinuxJones> pinPoint, it's best to have the 386 as a backup that works incase soemthing get's borked like nvidia drivers
[08:49] <pinPoint> using ati
[08:50] <thoreauputic> chickenman: then don't wait :)
[08:50] <chickenman> i come in here for help and no one helps me !
[08:50] <farruinn> chickenman: how did you compile the source?
[08:50] <apokryphos> chickenman: your attitude is hardly helping you there
[08:50] <LinuxJones> chickenman, your almost demanding that someone help you :P
[08:51] <chickenman> i've been trying for 2 days to get the damn thing to work now i don't know where the files are stored
[08:51] <netmonk> chickenman, i would have helped you, but I don't have a clue, may be the ones that can are busy. wait for a whle ;)
[08:51] <DarthFrog> LinuxJones: Almost? :-)
[08:51] <ali> I have another question, is there any rep for hoary for the non free rar ?
[08:51] <LinuxJones> chickenman, updatedb and locate filename
[08:51] <tritium> chickenman, that doesn't mean you should be rude
[08:51] <chickenman> i am not being rude
[08:51] <chickenman> :|
[08:51] <thoreauputic> ali, multiverse
[08:51] <LinuxJones> chickenman, what are you compiling ?
[08:51] <chickenman> as small C++ program .cpp
[08:51] <apokryphos> chickenman: "Some one help me i don't have all night to wait" -- is hardly the friendliest tone.
[08:52] <chickenman> well i don't have all night
[08:52] <tritium> chickenman, g++ puts the compiled file in the directory you call it from
[08:52] <tritium> chickenman, be polite, or don't get help
[08:52] <Xenguy> Hi - is anyone else getting occasional/regular unsolicited /msg's from some turkey (pun intended) who always just says "Hi" ?
[08:52] <chickenman> that would be my desktop but i don't see any think new
[08:52] <thoreauputic> chickenman: people here are volunteers
[08:52] <tritium> chickenman, this is rude: <chickenman> well i don't have all night
[08:52] <chickenman> :|
[08:52] <pacorro> hi
[08:53] <LinuxJones> hi pacorro
[08:53] <DarthFrog> chickenman: As LinuxJones pointed out, updatedb and locate are the two commands you need.
[08:53] <apokryphos> chickenman: what are you installing?
[08:53] <rvirani> its going :D
[08:53] <ali> thoreauputic, could you give me the hole link, (so that i can paset in my source list=
[08:53] <chickenman> locate ill give it a try
[08:53] <chickenman> and what do compiled .cpp files end up as ?
[08:54] <pacorro> who know which repository i can find f-spot
[08:54] <thoreauputic> ali, you just add the word multiverse after universe , with a space
[08:54] <apokryphos> chickenman: whereis <packagename> will likely help, too; produce less results than locate...
[08:54] <DarthFrog> chickenman: They don't end in anything in particular.
[08:54] <chickenman> ok
[08:54] <LinuxJones> apokryphos, I think it's something he has written himself
[08:54] <apokryphos> oh
[08:54] <tritium> chickenman, man g++
[08:54] <LinuxJones> apokryphos, like helloworld
[08:54] <goodoldunclemike> ? where do I edit Or where can i find doc's on mounting fat32
[08:55] <chickenman> i go take a look see if i can find it brb
[08:57] <ali> E: Malformed line 20 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist parse)
[08:57] <ali> E: The list of sources could not be read.
[08:57] <ali> Go to the repository dialog to correct the problem.
[08:57] <thoreauputic> ali, Ok you got it wrong :)
[08:57] <ali> hmmm....
[08:57] <thoreauputic> ali, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:58] <thoreauputic> ali, the repositories are listed there
[08:58] <thoreauputic> including multiverse
[08:58] <ali> thoreauputic, thanks
[08:59] <odie5533> Is there a good java IDE for linux?
[09:00] <Vjaz> Eclipse
[09:00] <Bubbling_Zombie> netbeans
[09:00] <Loevborg> odie5533, eclipse of course!
[09:00] <Bubbling_Zombie> & eclipse
[09:00] <odie5533> I hated netbeans on windows... =/
[09:00] <odie5533> checking eclipse atm
[09:01] <chickenman> i've found it thanks :D
[09:02] <Den-Dens> Hi
[09:03] <Den-Dens> I have a problem running gDesklets on UBUNTU
[09:03] <Den-Dens> i get this as error /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py:90: GtkDeprecationWarning: gtk.mainloop is deprecated, use gtk.main instead
[09:03] <Den-Dens>   self.warn(message, DeprecationWarning)
[09:03] <Nermal> with what sensor / display ?
[09:04] <Den-Dens> it gives this error when i just type gdesklets in terminal
[09:04] <Den-Dens> and i tryed it with multiCPU display
[09:04] <Nermal> o
[09:05] <Den-Dens> i get a small bar but when i try to place it it just gives this error again
[09:05] <Den-Dens> any ideas
[09:05] <Den-Dens> i have tryed upgrading phyton but no change
[09:05] <chickenman> i got the compiled C++ file but i can't run it what file type do i change it to run in the terminal ?
[09:06] <malte> "[warn]  Init: (localhost.localdomain:443) You configured HTTP(80) on the standard HTTPS(443) port!" <- i get this even though i've "SSLEngine on" in my virtual host config, and list the certificate and rsa key file. is there anything else to it?
[09:07] <ali> I have innstallled the non free unrar, but when i right klikk on it and klikk on extract to, then i get the massege archive type not supported ..
[09:07] <MobyTurbo> chickenman, make sure it's chmod'ed to be executable. (e.g. chmod +x)
[09:07] <chickenman> ok
[09:07] <malte> http://obbel.se/~malte/virt_hos <- this is my virtual host config
[09:08] <Den-Dens> does anyone have an idea of how to fix the prob
[09:08] <DarthFrog> malte: For one thing, you have: SSLCertificateFile /etc/apache2/ssl.key/obbel.se.csr
[09:08] <DarthFrog> That should be a CRT file, not your CSR.
[09:09] <malte> DarthFrog, oh. i'm not sure what the difference is though
[09:09] <malte> i followed a guide to generate a cert and a private key
[09:09] <DarthFrog> malte: One is the Certificate Signing Request that you submit to a signing authority.  The other is the certificate you get back from said signing authority.
[09:10] <malte> oh :)
[09:10] <chickenman> i just get a load of error lines even though i checked it all a number of times my self is there any other GUI C++ compiler i can use ?
[09:10] <malte> i suppose it's possible to generate one's own certificate which isn't signed?
[09:10] <DarthFrog> malte: Yes.
[09:10] <Xappe> woo, i'm buying a 300 GB hdd tomorrow, http://www.maxtor.com/portal/site/Maxtor/menuitem.ba88f6d7cf664718376049b291346068/?channelpath=/en_us/Products/ATA%20Hard%20Drives/Desktop/DiamondMax%2010
[09:11] <Xappe> going to rebuild my ubuntu system
[09:11] <sirukin> hmm
[09:11] <MobyTurbo> Xappe, what do you need 300G for, multimedia files?
[09:11] <Xappe> mhm
[09:11] <malte> DarthFrog, ok, i'm googling right now. do you think that's why ssl won't work btw? apache doesn't give any error messages at all
[09:11] <DarthFrog> MobyTurbo: What does need have to do with it? :-)
[09:11] <Den-Dens> ok Cu all then i' will try solving it on my own then
[09:11] <chickenman> i need a GUI C++ compiler other than G++ any one know where i can get one ?
[09:11] <LinuxJones> Xappe, I am thinking of getting a 128 meg usb key
[09:12] <Xappe> LinuxJones, :)
[09:12] <LinuxJones> whohhhhooooo
[09:12] <LinuxJones> :)
[09:12] <Juz_pass-n-thru> what is the command to remount a hd so you can remount it rw (running the live ubuntu cd to try to rescue an install for a friend
[09:12] <DarthFrog> malte: It might be.  You had better read your log files.  And you must have a Listen 443 statement in there somewhere.
[09:12] <LinuxJones> Juz_pass-n-thru, remount
[09:12] <DarthFrog> malte: I don't know Apache 2 at all.
[09:12] <Xappe> need space for both windows gaming, multimedia and cedega/linux gaming
[09:12] <Juz_pass-n-thru> that just made it ro again
[09:13] <phxguy> libpng... still there???
[09:13] <malte> DarthFrog, i have a Listen 443 elsewhere though
[09:13] <libpng> yes phxguy
[09:13] <malte> DarthFrog, ok, thanks anyway
[09:13] <phxguy> ok
[09:13] <MobyTurbo> Xappe, how good does cedega work?
[09:13] <DarthFrog> Juz_pass-n-thru: mount -n  -o remount,rw (drive) (mount point)
[09:13] <chickenman> can some one help please i need a C++ compiler other than G++
[09:13] <phxguy> i have restarted and my Windows Drive mounted ok but
[09:13] <Xappe> MobyTurbo, can't really tell, cause I have no room for new installs
[09:13] <phxguy> my External Drive did not mount
[09:13] <MobyTurbo> chickenman, what is wrong with g++?
[09:14] <phxguy> i got an error during bootup
[09:14] <libpng> what was it? phxguy
[09:14] <phxguy> mount: device special /mnt/sde1 device does not exist
[09:14] <chickenman> i compiled an run the file it made in terminal and it gave me a load of errors although the .cpp is fine
[09:15] <phxguy> then when i did that tail command i didn't see it listed as before
[09:15] <tritium> chickenman, the problem is not likely to be g++
[09:15] <DarthFrog> chickenman: If it gave you a load of errors, then something is wrong.
[09:15] <chickenman> well i know C++ and it's only 10 lines of code and i've checked it over and over again
[09:16] <chickenman> ill have one more check :S
[09:16] <DarthFrog> And it isn't likely to be g++.
[09:16] <tritium> why don't you paste the program on pastebin.org and we'll check it out for you
[09:16] <chickenman> :|  ehh
[09:16] <libpng> phxguy, i think it is using a module. and not loaded at boot. first u must find it. but i dont know which module it is using. ask here. may be someonehelp.
[09:17] <phxguy> libpng, So I Unplugged the usb cable and plugged it back in and this time nothing happened
[09:17] <phxguy> ok...
[09:17] <chickenman> you don't mind if i paste it on here do you it's only 9 lines ?
[09:17] <phxguy> also my Bluetooth Keybd stopped working... sure its amodule  or library or something
[09:18] <libpng> phxguy, take care at "dmesg | tail" when u unplugging and plugging it. and keep asking here:)
[09:18] <chickenman> #include <iostream>
[09:18] <chickenman> using namespace std;
[09:18] <chickenman> int main()
[09:18] <chickenman> {
[09:18] <chickenman>   cout<<"hello\n";
[09:18] <chickenman>   cin.get();
[09:18] <chickenman> }
[09:18] <chickenman> see any think wrong ?
[09:18] <phxguy> ok will do
[09:18] <Vjaz> chickenman: you need to return an int value
[09:18] <Vjaz> chickenman: not that it mostly makes a difference
[09:19] <ompaul> return 0; is good :)
[09:19] <chickenman> still it should work?
[09:19] <Vjaz> yeah
[09:19] <phxguy> does anyone here know about the maxtor onetouch usb drive???
[09:19] <phxguy> .
[09:19] <Nobuyuki`> well dudes, I'd like to thank you all with all the linux help, and teaching me how to do simple stuff like reconfigure xorg, thanks to you all I had figured out enough to try and configure my monitor settings manually
[09:19] <Nobuyuki`> which I managed to by guessing the hsync and vsync rates from a windows driver
[09:20] <chickenman> ill recompile with the return 0;
[09:20] <Vjaz> chickenman: how are you compiling it?
[09:21] <chickenman> /usr/bin/i386-linux-g++ /root/Desktop/test.cpp like that
[09:21] <tritium> chickenman, compiles fine
[09:21] <tritium> runs fine
[09:21] <chickenman> :|
[09:21] <phxguy> I am having troubles getting my Ext USB drive to Mount
[09:21] <tritium> chickenman, make sure you have build-essential installed
[09:22] <ompaul> chickenman, and now what are you going to do with at that nice cin.get?>
[09:22] <Vjaz> chickenman: why do you have a path like that for g++?
[09:22] <chickenman> it's in the /bin folder
[09:22] <tritium> it should be in your $PATH
[09:22] <ompaul> chickenman, why are you doing that as root for?
[09:22] <ompaul> ignore the for
[09:22] <Jesterace> my pretty desktop
[09:22] <Jesterace> http://jester.bluefire.org/images/ubuntu2.png
[09:22] <chickenman> i do a lot of things as root
[09:23] <MobyTurbo> chickenman, you shouldn't run X as root
[09:23] <ompaul> chickenman, you will learn
[09:23] <chickenman> i know that
[09:23] <ompaul> one day
[09:23] <Vjaz> chickenman: it's probably a good idea to use -o with g++ like: g++ foo.cpp -o foo
[09:23] <chickenman> what do you run it in i use gnome terminal ?
[09:23] <Vjaz> chickenman: I'm not sure, but isn't the a.out binary format different from elf?
[09:23] <MobyTurbo> chickenman, if you just don't want to type in passwords visudo sudo to not require them. At least you won't be breaking your system
[09:23] <Juz_pass-n-thru> where does ubuntu keep it's file that tells the box what window manager to boot, I think the guy has changes this one to kde and now it crashes on him
[09:24] <phxguy> I am having troubles getting my Ext USB drive to Mount. can somebody help me out???
[09:24] <farruinn> at least he doesn't use irc as root...
[09:24] <Vjaz> Juz_pass-n-thru: you can change it in the login screen
[09:24] <Jesterace> phxguy, it doesn't automount?
[09:24] <MobyTurbo> Vjaz, that's irrelevant, the "a.out" name of the executable is historical.
[09:24] <Vjaz> Juz_pass-n-thru: there's something like "Session" in the bottom of the screen
[09:24] <nmoore> once libdvdcss is installed, is there any more configuration to do?
[09:24] <Vjaz> MobyTurbo: hm, ok
[09:24] <nmoore> before i can play dvds
[09:24] <phxguy> Jesterace,  nope it doesn't...dont know why
[09:25] <Jesterace> any particular file system on it?
[09:25] <phxguy> ntfs
[09:25] <Jesterace> that's likely why
[09:25] <Jesterace> mines fat
[09:25] <chickenman> ill try run the new compile
[09:25] <phxguy> it Did automount earlier but then I added it to my fstab so it would automount on bootup
[09:25] <Jesterace> perhaps it's something in the fstab file
[09:25] <phxguy> now it wont mount Jesterace
[09:26] <phxguy> and my bluetooth keyboard isnt working
[09:26] <Vjaz> chickenman: btw, what processor does your system have?
[09:27] <chickenman> it get output to /usr/share/man/man1/test.1.gz is that right
[09:27] <chickenman> ehhh
[09:27] <chickenman> AMD-K6-2
[09:27] <chickenman> 550mhz
[09:27] <Vjaz> Hm, ok.
[09:27] <Juz_pass-n-thru> Vjaz: there ain't no loggin screen he's fubarred by last update he said
[09:27] <MobyTurbo> chickenman, "test" is already a program on your system.
[09:27] <chickenman> :O
[09:27] <chickenman> i change name
[09:28] <farruinn> Jesterace: you need to get yourself a Human themed xmms! ;)
[09:28] <phxguy> Jesterace, i think i am going to remove it from the fstab file
[09:28] <Vjaz> farruinn: wouldn't that look ugly given that the rest of the system is not human?
[09:29] <odo> is it just my imagination or are Ubuntu mirrors abit slow?
[09:29] <farruinn> Vjaz: is that not human gtk? (I haven't used gnome is a while)
[09:29] <Juz_pass-n-thru> what is the command line editor ubuntu has? there is no vi  no edit  ......
[09:29] <farruinn> I guess that is just default clearlooks...
[09:29] <chickenman> odo, unless your on 56k there fast
[09:29] <DarthFrog> Juz_pass-n-thru: try nano
[09:29] <Juz_pass-n-thru> tu
[09:29] <Vjaz> farruinn: no... human is very simple and brown
[09:30] <phxguy> well wish me luck gonna try to restart and see what happens
[09:30] <odo> chickenman: I'm on 10Mbit line an getting about 200kB/s, way slower than usual
[09:31] <MobyTurbo> odo, I'm on a 56K line. Don't expect me to feel sorry for you. ;-)
[09:31] <chickenman> :O im on 300K and it goes at 35/ks (my normal)
[09:31] <chickenman> 200kb/s is very fast :O
[09:32] <MobyTurbo> at 10MBPS things should go so fast that you get the file before you ask for it. ;)
[09:33] <odo> chickenman: it is slow compared to "normal"...few weeks back I got 900kB/s+ every time from Ubuntu's download servers...
[09:33] <chickenman> odo, i would be happy to swap any day ;)
[09:34] <tsume> question
[09:34] <odo> chickenman: :)
[09:34] <tsume> what is the root password to the default system?
[09:34] <chickenman> odo, how much does that cost ?
[09:35] <farruinn> tsume: there is none, it's disabled, you use sudo instead
[09:35] <tsume> farruinn: ...
[09:35] <farruinn> tsume: see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo, it has all your answers =)
[09:35] <cocol> with userpaswd when aksed
[09:35] <odo> chickenman: 0 euros/month currently but real price is about 64 euros per month
[09:35] <tsume> farruinn: theres nothing wrong with root, Theo tgold me so ;)
[09:35] <chickenman> :P
[09:37] <chickenman> i tryed to whereis my program i compiled and it diden't come up with any think ?
[09:37] <tsume> umm
[09:37] <GeP> fuck windows
[09:37] <borgista> umm....ok GeP
[09:37] <tsume> the points they make on that page are moot
[09:37] <MobyTurbo> chickenman, root's $PATH doesn't include ./ by default
[09:38] <tsume> root is a plus
[09:38] <GeP> fuck mandrake too , viva ubuntu
[09:38] <borgista> ok...someone's angry
[09:38] <tsume> if at all
[09:38] <MobyTurbo> tsume, if I need su to root I just run sudo -s
[09:38] <tsume> sudo is a security hazard
[09:38] <chickenman> :( i just typed find at / :(
[09:38] <farruinn> tsume: then don't use sudo
[09:38] <tsume> MobyTurbo: I'll just reenable root
[09:39] <tsume> its more secure
[09:39] <MobyTurbo> tsume, sudo records to log files every command you run as root. su does not.
[09:39] <tsume> MobyTurbo: send patches
[09:39] <MobyTurbo> tsume, sudo is widely considered more secure.
[09:40] <tsume> MobyTurbo: by linux people
[09:40] <MobyTurbo> tsume, that's funny, BSD has sudo available too.
[09:40] <tsume> MobyTurbo: not by default
[09:40] <mikep> Gep: It appears you have a limited vocabulary.
[09:40] <MobyTurbo> tsume, it's the default on OS X
[09:40] <farruinn> MobyTurbo: there's no reason to argue over it, everyone has their own choice
[09:41] <tsume> MobyTurbo: MacOSX is bsd based, its not BSD
[09:41] <tsume> it uses the Mach + BSD kernel code
[09:41] <GeP> mikep yes
[09:41] <tsume> userlanf is freebsd5
[09:41] <farruinn> If the reasons for using sudo on the wiki aren't good enough for him it's not a big deal
[09:41] <MobyTurbo> tsume, many NetBSD boxes are configured to use sudo with pkgsrc
[09:41] <tsume> fbsd5 doesn't have sudo in the userland by default
[09:41] <GeP> i'm very limited in terms of vocabulary because of my small intelligence
[09:41] <DarthFrog> What's the big deal about sudo?
[09:42] <tsume> I'm tempted to add some comments to the wiki
[09:42] <DarthFrog> GeP: You're a bear of very little brain, eh? :-)
[09:42] <Funraiser> tsume u made ubuntuguide.org?
[09:42] <GeP> it's because of go, it destroyed all my neurons
[09:42] <tsume> stupid users don't need to worry about setting the root password if they aren't going to try remembering it
[09:43] <GeP> lol
[09:43] <farruinn> tsume: as you can see there is a section called "possible issues with this model", you could easily tack something onto that
[09:43] <tsume> farruinn: is there a gui for lilo, or do I need to modify the lilo config file?
[09:44] <tsume> farruinn: I wish there was a gui for everythihng ;)
[09:44] <farruinn> I have no idea, I've never used lilo in my life
[09:44] <tsume> well
[09:44] <tsume> I take that back
[09:44] <farruinn> there's a gui for grub I think...
[09:44] <tsume> I wish there was a User friendly gui just to make simple changes
[09:44] <tsume> farruinn: GRUB wouldn't work with my laptop
[09:44] <farruinn> I see
[09:44] <tsume> farruinn: would hang at boot
[09:44] <tsume> GRUB
[09:44] <tsume> and thats it
[09:45] <MobyTurbo> I kind of like lilo's menuless mode better than grub, it really is invisable then. On the other hand lilo is easier to break (assuming of course both work on your system)
[09:50] <tsume> MobyTurbo: lilo has a graphical mode
[09:50] <Marble2> How do I get my mouse working so I can use mouse3,4, and 5 like in windows?
[09:51] <DarthFrog> Marble2:  Edit /etc/X/xorg.conf and put the following line in:
[09:51] <DarthFrog> ZAxisMapping "4 5"
[09:52] <MobyTurbo> tsume, yes, if that's what you want. Since I don't have a windows partition I like the booter to stay out of my face except when I need it.
[09:53] <Marble2> DarthFrog: there is no x folder
[09:53] <DarthFrog> Marble2:  It's case sensitive.
[09:53] <Marble2> root@Greg:/etc # cd X
[09:53] <Marble2> bash: cd: X: No such file or directory
[09:53] <DarthFrog> Try X11
[09:53] <Marble2> there
[09:54] <Marble2> there is no xorg.conf though
[09:54] <DarthFrog> Marble2: Are you running Warty?  If so, it'll be called XFree86-4
[09:54] <Marble2> no, hoary
[09:54] <stuNNed> Marble2: install xserver-xorg
[09:55] <Marble2> Err http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main xserver-xorg 6.8.2-2
[09:55] <Marble2>   404 Not Found
[09:55] <Marble2> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xorg/xserver-xorg_6.8.2-2_i386.deb  404 Not Found
[09:55] <Marble2> E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[09:55] <DarthFrog> Marble2:  Do "apt-get update" first.
[09:55] <Marble2> k
[09:56] <PaO_sk8r> WOW 404 cool =)
[09:56] <MobyTurbo> Marble2, is there an XF86Config-4 there?
[09:56] <stuNNed> PaO_sk8r: 404?
[09:56] <DarthFrog> Marble2: And then you might want to consider doing "apt-get dist-upgrade".
[09:56] <Marble2> MobyTurbo: yes
[09:56] <Marble2> DarthFrog: what would that do?
[09:56] <MobyTurbo> Marble2, then you're running Warty?
[09:56] <Marble2> no
[09:56] <Marble2> hoary
[09:57] <MobyTurbo> Marble2, Hoary at present has xorg
[09:57] <DarthFrog> Marble2: That would upgrade your installation to the latest & greatest.  And, perhaps, break something temporarily.
[09:57] <Marble2> I installed xserver-xorg
[09:57] <DarthFrog> Marble2: Don't worry about breakage, though.  Just do it. :-)
[09:57] <Marble2> there is xorg.conf now
[09:57] <MobyTurbo> I only run warty though because I'm on dial-up
[09:57] <DarthFrog> So now restart X.
[09:58] <MobyTurbo> too much time to upgrade
[09:58] <DarthFrog> MobyTurbo: Where are you located?
[09:58] <MobyTurbo> Brooklyn, NY
[09:59] <DarthFrog> MobyTurbo: Across the continent from me, too bad.  :-)  If you were local, I'd say c'mon over and I'll burn a CD for you.
[09:59] <MobyTurbo> :-)
[09:59] <MobyTurbo> I've already used shipit.ubuntu.com to order my Hoary CD when it's released.
[09:59] <DarthFrog> MobyTurbo: Unless you want to visit Vancouver, BC.  :-)
[09:59] <Marble2> DarthFrog: how do I restart x
[09:59] <MobyTurbo> DarthFrog, I have a friend who lives in Canada, central Canada though.
[10:00] <MobyTurbo> Ubuntu's CD shipping rocks
[10:00] <DarthFrog> Marble2: Logout, then hit CTL-ALT-Backspace.
[10:00] <Marble2> logout of what
[10:00] <Marble2> ubuntu?
[10:00] <Xappe> gnome
[10:00] <DarthFrog> Marble2: Yes.
[10:01] <DarthFrog> Or just hit CTL-ALT-Backspace, which will "reboot" the X server.
[10:02] <Marble2> done
[10:02] <Marble2> now what
[10:04] <clackki> need a little help here..
[10:04] <Marble2> DarthFrog: what do I do now
[10:04] <DarthFrog> Is it working?
[10:04] <clackki> Just can't remember how to install a deb packet :| need to install gtoaster..
[10:05] <Marble2> I didn't add the line yet...
[10:05] <Marble2> Was I supposed to do that before?
[10:05] <DarthFrog> Marble2:  Try it.  It probably works now.
[10:05] <Marble2> no
[10:06] <DarthFrog> Marble2: Check xorg.conf for "ZAxis Mapping "4 5""
[10:06] <Marble2> not found
[10:07] <vaijr2002> anyone in here run verlihub?
[10:07] <burbuja> hellos everyone
[10:07] <DarthFrog> Marble2: In the section Section "InputDevice", there should be a line, Option          "ZAxisMapping"          "4 5"
[10:07] <drspin> quick question about USB filesystem support
[10:08] <markybob> the torrent for hoary preview install amd64 listed in http://releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/  isnt working.  anyone know of a working torrent?
[10:08] <Marble2> DarthFrog: I do have         Option          "ZAxisMapping"          "6 7"
[10:08] <Marble2> in there
[10:08] <Marble2> do I add that in addition
[10:09] <DarthFrog> Marble2: Ah, I don't know.  I've never had such a fancy mouse. :-)
[10:09] <DarthFrog> Marble2: I shouldn't think so.
[10:09] <Marble2> It's an MX500
[10:09] <Marble2> The buttons don't work the way I want
[10:10] <Marble2> you know how in windows when you're browsing the web you can have it so mouse3 brings up the little thing so you can just move your mouse to scroll?
[10:10] <Marble2> How do I make mine do that
[10:10] <Marble2> and how do I make mouse 4 and mouse 5 back and forward
[10:10] <DarthFrog> No, I don't know, sorry.
[10:10] <drspin> can I resize the NTFS filesystm on my USB?
[10:10] <drspin> safely?
[10:11] <pinPoint> ok i have the os up
[10:11] <spades> Marble2: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IntellimouseMousemanBackForwardButtons
[10:11] <farruinn> drspin: the second question I can anser: no =)
[10:11] <drspin> bummer :(
[10:11] <MobyTurbo> drspin, parted can resize NTFS. I don't know how you define safely though.
[10:11] <farruinn> or I could answer it...
[10:11] <drspin> no data loss
[10:11] <Marble2> spades: thanks, will that work for an MX500 though?
[10:11] <drspin> no data loss == safe
[10:12] <spades> Marble2: it works for me on my ge generic 5 button mouse
[10:12] <DarthFrog> MobyTurbo: Parted can do NTFS?  I didn't know that.
[10:12] <MobyTurbo> drspin, resizing a partition is always risky.
[10:12] <chickenman> can some one tell me where the hell my compiled C++ files go im using /usr/bin/i386-linux-g++ then /root/Desktop/program123.cpp
[10:12] <spades> Marble2: backup the config file toreplace it if it doesnt just incase
[10:13] <Marble2> ok
[10:13] <kotatsu> /root/Desktop
[10:13] <kotatsu> awesome
[10:13] <MobyTurbo> DarthFrog, I believe so. I haven't tried it, as the last time I resized an NTFS partition I did it with partition magic before I knew of parted
[10:13] <treke> chickenman:it'll be in a file called a.out in the current directoryi
[10:13] <runedude> hi y'all.
[10:14] <runedude> runedude@deadram:~ $ su
[10:14] <runedude> Password:
[10:14] <runedude> su: Authentication failure
[10:14] <runedude> Sorry.
[10:14] <MobyTurbo> kotatsu, there's nothing awesome about running X as root. It's a Bad IDea
[10:14] <runedude> Whenever I try to su
[10:14] <runedude> I get that
[10:14] <da_root> when i want mount a network drive with fs type smbfs i got the error that the fs type is wrong! what i have to install to use this fstype? i'm sure that the fs type is the right one!
[10:14] <kotatsu> MobyTurbo: I guess my sarcasm was missed =(
[10:14] <MobyTurbo> runedude, use sudo
[10:14] <runedude> And I know I'm typing the pass correctly.
[10:14] <pinPoint> runedude: use your default pass
[10:14] <pinPoint> regular users
[10:14] <farruinn> chickenman: I think what you want to do is g++ file.cpp -o programname
[10:14] <MobyTurbo> kotatsu, SDNWOTN
[10:14] <runedude> my passworrd for "runedude" ?
[10:14] <pinPoint> or do passwd on Root Terminal to change pass
[10:14] <_Demian_> I'm upgrading to hoary
[10:14] <_Demian_> should I upgrade bash as well?
[10:14] <kotatsu> wow, there's an acronym =P what's it mean?
[10:14] <farruinn> chickenman: then you can execute it by running './programname'
[10:14] <runedude> i can login to "root" easily, by ssh
[10:14] <da_root> do i have to install smb?
[10:14] <runedude> but it doesnt like when I ssh
[10:14] <_Demian_> it's asking me
[10:14] <kotatsu> oh wait
[10:15] <kotatsu> sarcasm doesn't work over the net
[10:15] <kotatsu> ?
[10:15] <MobyTurbo> kotatsu, you got it
[10:15] <kotatsu> damn I'm good
[10:15] <runedude> what's the correct usage of sudo?
[10:15] <treke> sudo commandtorun
[10:15] <kotatsu> I was hoping my statement was obvious enough to bypass that rule though =D
[10:15] <runedude> i dont want to "run a command"
[10:15] <MobyTurbo> or sudo -s for a shell
[10:15] <DarthFrog> runedude: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[10:15] <runedude> I want to login and have a bash shell as root
[10:15] <runedude> :|
[10:15] <MobyTurbo> runedude, sudo -s
[10:15] <farruinn> runedude: have you set a root password?
[10:15] <runedude> farruinn, yes
[10:16] <da_root> can someone help me?
[10:16] <runedude> infact
[10:16] <runedude> it stopped working, su, as soon as I installed cPanel Layer1
[10:16] <inc> sup channel
[10:17] <DarthFrog> farruinn: http://www.tuxcards.de/
[10:17] <inc> any have experience with tape drives?
[10:18] <DarthFrog> inc: Yes
[10:18] <DarthFrog> inc: Only SCSI drives, though.
[10:18] <inc> this one is an ide, i'm confused if i need to mount it
[10:18] <MobyTurbo> inc, no, but I remember when tape was the choice method of shipping distros
[10:18] <inc> if so what file system
[10:18] <farruinn> runedude: is that what you installed, tuxcards? apt-cache show cpanel is something very differenent... :)
[10:18] <DarthFrog> inc: You don't mount it.
[10:19] <motuline> Can anyone tell me why I have no sound in Mplayer.. :o
[10:19] <runedude> farruinn, I did wget http://layer1.cpanel.net/latest and did sh latest and let it run overnight
[10:19] <runedude> It installed cPanel, then su wont work.
[10:19] <inc> thought so... i run tar cvf /dev/hdd /home/  and get this tar: /dev/hdd: Wrote only 8192 of 10240 bytes
[10:19] <runedude> btw, what should "su" be chmodded to? 755?
[10:19] <pinPoint> mwwahahaha
[10:20] <Echylo> gnight
[10:20] <pinPoint> got ndiswrapper working
[10:20] <kotatsu> inc: wrong command
[10:20] <linuxg0d> muhahahahhaa
[10:20] <motuline> sounds work with xine but they wont work with mplayer
[10:20] <inc> kotatsu: ok
[10:20] <kotatsu> tar cvf (filename).tar /path/to/files
[10:20] <MobyTurbo> runedude, it needs to be suid root
[10:20] <inc> kotatsu: i'm trying to tar to tape not a file
[10:20] <kotatsu> oh
[10:20] <kotatsu> hdd is a tape drive? hrm
[10:21] <runedude> ok
[10:21] <inc> that's what dmesg shows
[10:21] <inc> fstep calles it /media/cdrom1
[10:21] <inc> fstab^
[10:23] <inc> MobyTurbo: so you remember anything from your tape drive days
[10:23] <inc> hah
[10:23] <chickenman> i tryed g++ /root/Desktop/program123.cpp -o prog123 and i search root and desktop but there was no hidden file or other file where should the file go if i compiled it from /root/Desktop ??
[10:23] <MobyTurbo> inc, I remember seeing Slackware and thinking "that sure looks bloated"
[10:23] <treke> a.out in the current direcoty
[10:23] <farruinn> chickenman: are you using hoary?
[10:23] <chickenman> no warty :P
[10:23] <treke> er prog123 in the current directory
[10:23] <Marble2> how do I make ubuntu stop opening the stuff I had open before I rebooted/logged out when I log back in
[10:23] <Marble2> ?
[10:24] <inc> MobyTurbo, now everything is like 4 cds
[10:24] <motuline> [AO OSS]  audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy <- I Don't have any programs on that blocks sound card :o
[10:24] <Marble2> motuline: what application are you running?
[10:24] <MobyTurbo> inc, except Ubuntu. :-)
[10:24] <DarthFrog> Marble2: Configure Gnome to not save the current session upon logout.
[10:24] <markybob> the torrent for hoary preview install amd64 listed in http://releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/  isnt working.  anyone know of a working torrent?
[10:24] <Marble2> how do I do that DarthFrog?
[10:24] <farruinn> chickenman: 'g++ source.cpp -o prog123 ; ./prog123'
[10:24] <inc> Marble2: i think that's when you shutdown when it asks you to save the settings
[10:24] <DarthFrog> Marble2: I don't know.  I don't run Gnome.
[10:24] <spades> Marble2: uncheck the save session on logout
[10:24] <motuline> Marble2: I'm trying to get Mplayer play sounds
[10:25] <chickenman> i've serch root and Desktop no hidden file like that
[10:25] <treke> then it isn't building
[10:25] <Marble2> motuline: configure it to use esd
[10:25] <Marble2> spades: it's not checked
[10:25] <treke> it will be in your current directory if it compiled
[10:25] <treke> check for compiler errors
[10:25] <chickenman> no errors
[10:25] <Marble2> someone told me to do ctrl+alt+backspace at the uh login screen for gnome
[10:25] <Marble2> what does that do>
[10:26] <markybob> Marble2, ctrl+alt+backspace shuts X down
[10:26] <treke> chickenman: then it will be in your current directory. There really isn't any other place for it to go
[10:26] <Marble2> oh ok
[10:26] <pinPoint> dude
[10:26] <spades> Marble2: computer>desktop prefs> session
[10:26] <pinPoint> i just changed my nic to static and it cant ping my other desktop
[10:26] <spades> uncheck it here
[10:26] <spades> there*
[10:27] <farruinn> chickenman: I just built what you posted earlier and it worked fine: 'g++ source.cpp -o prog ; ./prog'
[10:27] <chickenman> :| hmmm
[10:27] <Marble2> where's this at spades?
[10:27] <Marble2> I can't find it
[10:27] <Mitario> hi guys
[10:27] <spades> Marble2: go to run application and type gnome-session-properties
[10:28] <Marble2> never mind
[10:28] <Mitario> anyone have an idea in which package the macro AC_DEFINE_DIR is located?
[10:28] <Marble2> thankst
[10:28] <Marble2> spades: I don't see a checkbox for that
[10:28] <pinPoint> im getting No Route to Host
[10:29] <pinPoint> ftp>open 192.168.0.1
[10:29] <farruinn> Mitario: what are you trying to build?
[10:29] <chickenman> so if i compile from /root/Desktop/program123 i will find it in /root/desktop/.<outputname> ?
[10:29] <Mitario> farruinn, gnome-applets
[10:29] <inc> so anyone got a url with good info on tape drives?
[10:30] <farruinn> Mitario: sudo apt-get build-dep gnome-applets
[10:30] <spades> Marble2: if it isnt the 3rd checkbox then i dont know where to set it, try a normal logout and dont save the session and see if it defaults it
[10:30] <Marble2> ok
[10:30] <chickenman> ??
[10:30] <Mitario> farruinn, good one :-)
[10:30] <treke> chickenman: no
[10:30] <chickenman> :|
[10:30] <treke> it will be in /oot/desktop
[10:30] <erik> anyone who is familiar with the make command
[10:31] <Marble2> ugh
[10:31] <Marble2> still brought my stuff back spades
[10:31] <chickenman> this is messing up!
[10:31] <chickenman> there
[10:32] <Mitario> bah still getting the error, also after installing the build-deps for gnome-applets
[10:32] <spades> Marble2: i dont know then, sorry
[10:32] <chickenman> ahhhh i've found an a.out in / :D
[10:32] <zion> hola, just installed ubuntu and I need to get the hpoj package (for a usb printer)
[10:33] <Marble2> thanks anyway
[10:33] <zion> its in debian, but not ubuntu
[10:33] <farruinn> erik: what's up?
[10:33] <farruinn> zion: have you checked to make sure it's not a different name?
[10:33] <treke> if you specified -o, it will use that fileanem and not a.out
[10:33] <drspin> why can't I view my USB drive except as root?
[10:33] <zion> farruinn: if its a diff name, what would it be?
[10:34] <chickenman> it's worked thanks a lot treke and farruinn :D
[10:34] <treke> enjoy
[10:34] <zion> farruinn: all docs on the wiki say 'hpoj' ...
[10:34] <markblaine> I keep getting an error with amixer.  It says Invalid Card number.  Can this be fixed?
[10:34] <farruinn> zion: it's in the universe repository
[10:35] <zion> farruinn: ok... any docs on how to use that?
[10:35] <thoreauputic> zion: it's in universe (warty)
[10:35] <farruinn> zion: go to synaptic and make sure all the repositories are enabled
[10:35] <motuline> Marble2: I have no esd in mplayers -ao list
[10:35] <farruinn> zion: then be sure to hit the reload button if you're in warty
[10:35] <thoreauputic> zion: apt-cache policy hpoj
[10:35] <thoreauputic>  500 http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe Packages
[10:35] <motuline> Available audio output drivers:
[10:36] <motuline>         mpegpes DVB audio output
[10:36] <motuline>         oss     OSS/ioctl audio output
[10:36] <motuline>         null    Null audio output
[10:36] <motuline>         pcm     RAW PCM/WAVE file writer audio output
[10:36] <motuline>         plugin  Plugin audio output
[10:36] <motuline> there is only those drivers
[10:36] <motuline> :o
[10:37] <erik> farruinn: i tried to get my modem to work according a guideline, now i have to "make" source code
[10:38] <Marble2> Anyone know how I can make gnome not remember my applications and restart them after a reboot/logout? I am not checking the box when I go to logout
[10:38] <chickenman> erik, you using 56k ?
[10:38] <farruinn> Marble2: make sure they're not set in the Session preferences
[10:38] <Marble2> I don't see an option in session prefs
[10:38] <erik> no, adsl etech v2 usb modem under windows now, i like to step over to ubuntu
[10:38] <Marble2> except for startup programs, but that is blank
[10:39] <chickenman> erik, can it run on ethernet ?
[10:39] <erik> no, i run it now on win98 and internetsharing to my laptop
[10:40] <chickenman> erik, does it have another port for ethernet on the back ?
[10:40] <erik> noop
[10:41] <chickenman> erik, to bad USB modem just do not work with linux i've tryed you will need ethernet
[10:42] <erik> yeah, it's just the sport. I found http://accessrunner.sourceforge.net/index.shtml and that should work
[10:42] <erik> now i have to use make. only i don't know how
[10:42] <farruinn> erik: you'll need to apt-get install build-essential at the very least
[10:43] <chickenman> your best bet though is go out and buy an ethernet modem and a nic card if you don't have one
[10:43] <farruinn> look in the source, there should be files like INSTALL and README, you'll want to read them =)
[10:43] <ells> tritium: what is up mike
[10:43] <Marble2> can anyone help me with my problem in gnome?
[10:43] <erik> chickenman: i know, but i just wanted to give it a try
[10:44] <ells> tritium: got a question. how can i put it in my fstab to automount my usbdrive
[10:44] <dabi> emn.. where can i change root's psw?
[10:44] <CarlK_> just did the first half of hoary install from CD, ejected, reboot, it wants the CD, and has some "typos" or something - is there a way I can capture the tty1 console screen from tty2? - otherwise Ihave to do this http://dev.personnelware.com/carl/temp/e/p1010002.jpg - which is just silly
[10:44] <chickenman> there is a number of ways to get past it but no one has got off there as and programed some think good to run USB modems
[10:45] <chickenman> ass*
[10:46] <tullinga> any reason to why this command "make-kpkg clean " would not work correct on version 5.04 PPC?
[10:46] <Marble2> Why is gnome remembering my applications even after I logout/reboot?
[10:46] <ells> anyone know how can i put it in my fstab to automount my usbdrive
[10:46] <chickenman> a ethernet modem should cost around 35 and a nic card 5
[10:47] <erik> you're right, but anyway i like to know how to use the make
[10:47] <DARKHalf__> can someone help me? i installed packages, but cannot see them in my menus
[10:47] <zion> cool that universal thing worked... thnx
[10:47] <CarlK_> erik- type make and hit enter
[10:47] <chickenman> erik, go download the full ubuntu warty CD (512MB)
[10:47] <chickenman> thats what i did :)
[10:48] <CarlK_> erik - that is how you "use" it.  doesn't mean you have it and all of it's depandancies installed, or how to write make files, which is a different Q
[10:48] <LinuxJones> DARKHalf__, you running warty or hoary ?
[10:49] <ells> anyone know how can i put it in my fstab to automount my usbdrive
[10:49] <erik> CarlK_: i tried and it runs but i get CC [M]   /home/erik/usbatm/usbatm.o
[10:49] <erik> /bin/sh: line 1: gcc: command not found
[10:49] <erik> make[2] : *** [/home/erik/usbatm/usbatm.o]  Fout 127
[10:49] <erik> make[1] : *** [_module_/home/erik/usbatm]  Fout 2
[10:49] <erik> make[1] : Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-3-k7'
[10:49] <pinPoint> WHT
[10:49] <DARKHalf__> i'm running warty
[10:49] <farruinn> erik: have you installed build-essential?
[10:49] <pinPoint> i just installed my wireless nic
[10:49] <dabi> i have philips mp3 key006, xp detects it as an mass storage, how can i use it on ubuntu?
[10:49] <erik> searching for it
[10:49] <pinPoint> rebooted an there is nothing in networking anymore
[10:49] <farruinn> DARKHalf__: in some cases you need to log out then log back into gnome
[10:50] <LinuxJones> DARKHalf__,  open nautilus and type applications:/// (I think)
[10:50] <farruinn> DARKHalf__: in other cases you may have to add the menu item from the applications:/// place
[10:50] <chickenman> pinPoint, eww wireless why diden't you get a plug it one much cheaper
[10:50] <tullinga> any reason to why this command "make-kpkg clean " would not work correct on version 5.04 PPC?
[10:51] <pinPoint> ???
[10:51] <dabi> how can i install usb mass storage/mp3? it uses fat16
[10:51] <gfxstyler> hey
[10:51] <pinPoint> nic is active
[10:51] <tullinga> I am trying to compile the kernel
[10:51] <pinPoint> but it wont dhcp
[10:51] <gfxstyler> is there a way to edit the gnome menu ? i want to add gxine
[10:51] <pinPoint> shit shit shit
[10:51] <farruinn> DARKHalf__: fyi, last time I tried in warty, the launcher wouldn't necessarily show up once you've added it to the right place in applications:///, again a logout-login fixed
[10:51] <pinPoint> how do i bring it up
[10:52] <farruinn> gfxstyler: in hoary?
[10:52] <pinPoint> ifup wlan0
[10:52] <gfxstyler> farruinn: yes
[10:52] <pinPoint> says its already configured
[10:52] <DARKHalf__> ok, i'll try relogin
[10:52] <pinPoint> nothing but false hope
[10:52] <dabi> how can i install usb mass storage/mp3?
[10:53] <farruinn> gfxstyler: the menu system has changed and as of yet there isn't a way to modify menus from within gnome
[10:53] <gfxstyler> dabi: if you plug it in it should be on the destkop (at least its for me) otherwise have a look at /dev/sda
[10:53] <gfxstyler> farruinn: oh, thats sad, but thanks for the info :)
[10:53] <farruinn> gfxstyler: some people have made some python/gtk apps that do the job though, use at your own risk of course
[10:54] <LinuxJones> dabi, you will have to load the fat driver I suspect as well
[10:54] <dabi> gfxstyler: not in desktop and there is no /dev/sda
[10:54] <dabi> hmm how?
[10:54] <LinuxJones> sudo modprobe fat
[10:54] <gfxstyler> dabi: if i plug in my mp3 player or usb stick it appears on the desktop and i can access it via /dev/sda
[10:54] <tritium> ells, hey, sorry.  I was away.
[10:55] <dabi> gfxstyler: rare.. mine doesnts.. did on mdk..
[11:01] <BigIslandVegan> hi everybody
[11:02] <dabi> hi mr BigIslandVegan ;)
[11:02] <BigIslandVegan> :-p
[11:03] <munki> anybody knows a nice dvd-ripper, that rip's a dvd file to avi or mpg ?
[11:03] <munki> maybe divX or svcd?
[11:03] <LinuxJones> munki, dvdrip
[11:03] <munki> dvdrip
[11:03] <munki> heh..
[11:03] <LinuxJones> :)
[11:03] <munki> okay :)
[11:04] <dabi> munki: try www.afterdawn.com theres many
[11:04] <munki> Why didn't I guess that ?
[11:04] <LinuxJones> munki, I think it's in the mirillat repository
[11:04] <munki> ok thank LinuxJones
[11:04] <phxguy> does anyone know how to get my trashcan onto m y desktop?
[11:04] <motuline> Can I configure cedega to use esd sounds?
[11:05] <Marble2> oh my god
[11:05] <Marble2> how do I just reset all the gnome sessions to default
[11:05] <Marble2> like they were on install
[11:05] <armando> Anyone able to tell me how to install hoarty (or whatever its name is?)... total linux newb :)
[11:05] <Marble2> I messed something up
[11:05] <Marble2> my mouse doesn't work at the splash screen, it's saving my damn applications, ugh
[11:06] <LinuxJones> armando, there are problems with Hoary sometimes
[11:06] <LinuxJones> armando, best to wait a few weeks till it is released as stable
[11:06] <armando> linuxjones: But I need to install xfree86 to get the drivers I need for my ATI Radeon 345M Mobility card.
[11:07] <LinuxJones> armando, ok, I will tell you if you really want
[11:07] <armando> linuxjones thanx :)
[11:07] <phxguy> I would like to have my trashcan on my desktop... can someone help?
[11:07] <LinuxJones> armando, in console type sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.lst
[11:08] <Marble2> how do I just reset all the gnome sessions to default
[11:08] <Marble2> like they were on install?
[11:09] <munki> LinuxJones: got some error, when trying to install transcode for dvdrip
[11:09] <munki> Depends: libdvdread2 but it is not installable
[11:09] <munki> and same for libvorbis0
[11:09] <armando> linuxjoines gives me an error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[11:10] <LinuxJones> phxguy, change the line that has warty in it to this >> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted universe
[11:10] <LinuxJones> philly, sorry that was for you armando
[11:11] <LinuxJones> god phxguy :(
[11:11] <phxguy> where do I change that Line @
[11:11] <phxguy> hmmm
[11:11] <LinuxJones> phxguy, sorry that was for someone else
[11:11] <phxguy> ok thought it might be
[11:11] <Marble2> how do I reset all the gnome session bs to default, anyone know?
[11:11] <LinuxJones> phxguy, you can add it to the panel ?
[11:11] <armando> linuxjones gives me a blank text file
[11:11] <calavera> i'm guessing that if i use the 2.6.11-1-686 kernel (hoary) and i get a lot of "schedulingn while atomic" in the kernel log right before X crashes the system, then i need to compile my own version of the kernel without preempt (at least on the big lock). or am i completely off track on this one?
[11:12] <BigIslandVegan> anybody have experience or knowledge regarding with internet access through their bluetooth phone. I can do it when I start up into Mac OS X but I don't know yet how to work with the bluez and utils that I installed via synaptic yesterday
[11:12] <phxguy> LinuxJones, right now it is showing in the bottom right corner where the 'windoze systray" would be
[11:12] <phxguy> but i would like to have a nice big icon on my desktop
[11:12] <Marble2> anyone?
[11:12] <Sander__> calavera, I tried the k7 version and I had the same problem. 2.6.10-3 has been very good to me, but I wanted to see if suspend to ram was working.
[11:13] <LinuxJones> armando, it's case sensitive, do sudo /etc/apt/sour(tab)  {the tab will fill in the blanks}
[11:13] <calavera> Sander__: unfortunately i can not use the ubuntu patched kernel. something in the ide driver does not like my machine
[11:13] <vaijr2002> eeek
[11:13] <BigIslandVegan> sorry, "regarding accessing the internet..."
[11:13] <vaijr2002> Failed to run /usr/bin/update-manager:
[11:13] <vaijr2002>  Unable to copy the user's Xauthorization file.
[11:14] <vaijr2002> what did i dooooooo?
[11:14] <vaijr2002> i cant install stuff lol
[11:14] <LinuxJones> vaijr2002, use synaptic that's only for updates
[11:14] <th3cl3aner> is there a list of wireless card supported for laptops
[11:16] <Marble2> how do I reset all the gnome session bs to default, anyone know?
[11:16] <calavera> is there a binary package for an unpatched 2.6.10 somewhere? i don't particularly feel like rolling my own kernel tonight
[11:16] <LinuxJones> Marble2, you have a bunch of applications opening up when Gnome starts ?
[11:17] <memcmeme> Well I have been using Ubuntu for a day, I am life long MS and apple user
[11:17] <memcmeme> and I can honestly say Ubuntu is superior
[11:17] <LinuxJones> memcmeme, :)
[11:17] <Terrasque> memcmeme: welcome to the club :-)
[11:17] <memcmeme> The Linux version of Celestia is a LOT more advanced than the windows version
[11:18] <phxguy> so how do i get an icon onto my desktop of the trash can
[11:19] <memcmeme> well I got to run to class
[11:19] <BigIslandVegan> Anybody with Bluetooth experience? :-)
[11:19] <memcmeme> later
[11:19] <Marble2> LinuxJones: yes
[11:19] <Marble2> and my mouse won't work at the splash screen
[11:19] <Marble2> where i login
[11:19] <phxguy> I have a bluetooth keyboard that worked at first but isn't working anymore......
[11:19] <djst> what's wrong with the update manager? every day there are like 50 new updates...
[11:19] <djst> is that really for real??
[11:19] <Marble2> djst: yes
[11:20] <djst> whoa.. i'm glad i'm not on a modem then
[11:20] <_Demian_> I've got a problem
[11:20] <BigIslandVegan> phxguy, maybe it's one of those things that is in flux while they are coming up with a stable version
[11:20] <_Demian_> my resolution is 640x480
[11:20] <_Demian_> and that's it
[11:20] <_Demian_> I can't change it :(
[11:20] <BigIslandVegan> i wish to get online through my motorola v600 using bluetooth, since ubuntu doesn't yet support airport extreme
[11:20] <munki> f~LinuxJones, you got the source-line for merillat you can paste for me ? :)
[11:20] <phxguy> maybe.... but ive tried other distro and it worked fine once i was logged in.... well we will have to wait and see i suppose
[11:20] <Ubuntu-Taliban> hello
[11:21] <Marble2> LinuxJones: the mouse not working at login is the biggest thing though
[11:21] <Marble2> do you know how to fix it?
[11:21] <phxguy> BigIslandVegan,  let me know how that goes... i have the same phone
[11:21] <armando> linuxjones ok got it :)
[11:22] <BigIslandVegan> hmm, certainly, you using ppc or x86?
[11:22] <BigIslandVegan> it may not matter, just wondering
[11:22] <phxguy> x86
[11:22] <_Demian_> can anyone advise?
[11:22] <_Demian_> plz
[11:22] <_Demian_> this sucks :)
[11:23] <BigIslandVegan> ok
[11:23] <munki> okay, anybody that would be nice to me, paste the merillat-line from the source-list to me
[11:23] <munki> please :)
[11:23] <BigIslandVegan> what service provider?
[11:23] <phxguy> so does anyone know how to get the trashcan onto the desktop
[11:23] <armando> linuxjones ok, thats done, now what?
[11:23] <phxguy> Legacy AT&T
[11:23] <Jesterace> heh my update monitor tells me there is one update availible then it keeps telling me i'm up to date
[11:24] <djst> anyone here good at solving problems with the nvidia driver? i'm having a major problem since about the day i installed ubuntu (hoary preview release)...
[11:24] <BigIslandVegan> hmm, you looked into t-mobile? much cheaper
[11:24] <BigIslandVegan> for internet access through the phone
[11:24] <munki> Jesterace: run apt-get upgrade; apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:24] <phxguy> thier servcice here sucks
[11:24] <LinuxJones> armando, sudo synaptic
[11:24] <lprofil_> try it the manual with "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[11:24] <phxguy> very patchy
[11:24] <BigIslandVegan> bummer
[11:24] <BigIslandVegan> seems to work well on this island
[11:24] <Jesterace> says thing to iinstall
[11:24] <djst> my problem is it just won't start anymore. it worked the first day i installed, then after the package manager had updated packages a couple of hundred times ( ;) ) it just stopped working
[11:24] <phxguy> besides i still have time on my contract
[11:25] <LinuxJones> armando, you have to save the file first
[11:25] <JDigital> Hey ssh-experts. Can anyone help me with my problem: Here it is: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=16718&page=1&pp=20
[11:25] <JDigital> It's some kind of thing that my ssh doesn't work
[11:25] <djst> anyway has any clue whatsoever about the nvidia driver not starting?
[11:25] <JDigital> (ssh)
[11:25] <BigIslandVegan> yeah, i waited mine out too, long time
[11:25] <BigIslandVegan> well, actually, i was well into my month to month when i changed
[11:25] <BigIslandVegan> over a year i think :-)
[11:25] <djst> i'll write a review about ubuntu hoary soon and this is about the only negative part of my install actually
[11:26] <phxguy> i still have about 6 mos left
[11:26] <Jesterace> djst, how did you install the drivers?
[11:26] <Jesterace> apt-get ?
[11:26] <NeoGeo64> hi how do i find and change my root password
[11:26] <NeoGeo64> i just installed ubuntu 4.10
[11:26] <BigIslandVegan> well, you'll have new options soon :-)
[11:26] <djst> Jesterace:  i think the nvidia driver was included with the install actually... the thing i did was changing from "nv" to "nvidia" in xorg.conf
[11:26] <LinuxJones> djst, in Hoary you mean ?
[11:26] <Jesterace> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver
[11:27] <Jesterace> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[11:27] <djst> LinuxJones:  yes, in hoary preview.. and the nvidia driver has worked, but only for one day.. after a reboot it just stopped
[11:27] <Jesterace> sudo apt-get nvidia-settings
[11:27] <Jesterace> sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[11:27] <NeoGeo64> does anyone know
[11:27] <Jesterace> that's what i did to get my nvidia drivers working
[11:27] <LinuxJones> djst, unless you manually installed the nvidia driver you were probably using the open source nv driver
[11:27] <armando> linuxjones understood
[11:27] <JDigital> change it back to nv then
[11:27] <NeoGeo64> someone please help
[11:28] <LinuxJones> armando, so you have synaptic up ?
[11:28] <djst> Jesterace:  can i instruct it not to install it from the cd, but from the net?
[11:28] <Jesterace> NeoGeo64, your root password should be the same one as your user password
[11:28] <armando> linuxjones yup, but gave me an error that it couldnt find it.
[11:28] <phxguy> so can someone help me please
[11:28] <Jesterace> djst, that's the only place you'll find it
[11:28] <armando> linuxjones gonna see if I enetered the info correctly.
[11:28] <LinuxJones> armando, ok let's do it this way
[11:28] <mirak> hi
[11:28] <armando> linuxjones ok :)
[11:29] <Jesterace> there's two repositories that need enabling usually
[11:29] <mirak> does someone ever used the calbe select option on the hard drives ?
[11:29] <djst> Jesterace:  oh.. darn it then.. i'll have to find it on one of my 5 unlabelled cd-rw discs then..
[11:29] <LinuxJones> armando, in synaptic click Settings>>Repositories
[11:29] <Terrasque> http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/308 | what a lol article
[11:29] <LinuxJones> armando, that will open a new window
[11:29] <NeoGeo64> Jesterace:  It's not.
[11:29] <vaijr2002> i am still lost
[11:29] <Jesterace> djst, did you check out http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver
[11:29] <Jesterace> ?
[11:29] <djst> LinuxJones:  no, i changed from "nv" to "nvidia" in xorg.conf, and that made the Nvidia splash screen appear and it started to work
[11:30] <Jesterace> NeoGeo64, that's wierd
[11:30] <vaijr2002> when i try to add remove programs. i get this....
[11:30] <Jesterace> so your sudo doesn't work
[11:30] <NeoGeo64> how would i retreve it
[11:30] <djst> Jesterace:  i'm on it, just trying to find that cd with the driver
[11:30] <JDigital> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=16718&page=1&pp=20 <--- nearly a month and nobody has been able to solves this problem
[11:30] <armando> linuxjones ok, got it up.
[11:30] <vaijr2002> Failed to run /usr/bin/gnome-app-install:
[11:30] <vaijr2002>  Unable to copy the user's Xauthorization file.
[11:30] <vaijr2002> right after i type my pw
[11:30] <Jesterace> it should be in the hoary universe
[11:30] <NeoGeo64> Yes, sudo works but su does not.
[11:30] <LinuxJones> djst, ok I also had problem with the latest 2.6??-5 kernel release + nvidia try installing the 2.6.?-4 kernel it worked for me.
[11:31] <Jesterace> my su doesn't work either
[11:31] <Jesterace> i just use sudo
[11:31] <NeoGeo64> Where is my XFree config file?  I want to change the default resoulution to 1280x1024.
[11:31] <Jesterace> or you can launch a root terminal
[11:31] <NeoGeo64> I miss su :(
[11:31] <Jesterace> NeoGeo64, /etc/X11/
[11:31] <LinuxJones> armando, ok go down to the entries that has a checkbox marked.
[11:31] <NeoGeo64> I'll devote more time to fixing su later.
[11:31] <vaijr2002> lol
[11:31] <vaijr2002>  help help
[11:31] <djst> LinuxJones, Jesterace:  so the nvidia driver doesn't work with the latest kernel?
[11:32] <LinuxJones> djst, for me no :(
[11:32] <vaijr2002> Failed to run /usr/bin/gnome-app-install:
[11:32] <vaijr2002> vaijr2002  Unable to copy the user's Xauthorization file.
[11:32] <vaijr2002> vaijr2002 right after i type my pw
[11:32] <djst> that would explain stuff...
[11:32] <Jesterace> djst, hrmm
[11:32] <LinuxJones> armando, look for the entry that looks like >> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted universe
[11:32] <Jesterace> what's the latest kernel?
[11:32] <NeoGeo64> Where in the file do I specify my default resolution?
[11:32] <djst> Jesterace: what's that nvidia-common package?
[11:32] <DarthFrog> Jesterace: 2.6.11
[11:32] <Jesterace> i'm running 2.6.10-5-k7
[11:32] <armando> linuxjones ok, its downloading some update files.
[11:32] <Jesterace> hmm
[11:33] <Jesterace> djst, not sure
[11:33] <LinuxJones> armando, change the part that says warty with hoary and click ok
[11:33] <NeoGeo64> Where in the XFree86 config file do I specify my default resolution?
[11:33] <LinuxJones> armando, did you click reload ?
[11:33] <djst> Jesterace:  i'll have to reburn the cd again because i overwrote it already :(
[11:33] <Jesterace> ahh
[11:33] <xiglet> I'm getting some dependency problems after installing hoary array-7, did not have theese problems this the preview version. (with i.e the multiverse repository)
[11:33] <djst> Jesterace:  why isn't the package available, not even in the world repository?
[11:33] <Jesterace> djst, which ubuntu are you using?
[11:33] <Jesterace> warty or hoary?
[11:33] <djst> Jesterace:  hoary preview
[11:33] <Jesterace> hmm
[11:33] <armando> linux nope, it said that the list had change and if I wanted to update or something of like.
[11:34] <djst> Jesterace:  and nvidia is there in the repository, and i have the module
[11:34] <Jesterace> i'm running hoary and the nvidia driver installed fine
[11:34] <Jesterace> did you run
[11:34] <Jesterace> sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[11:34] <djst> Jesterace:  it's just that it won't start, it tells me that i don'thave a working screen
[11:34] <Jesterace> and see if that does something
[11:34] <djst> Jesterace:  yes, i've tried that.. that's what nvidia-glx package told me to do in order to enable glx, but it has nothing to do with using the nvidia driver from what i can tell
[11:35] <Jesterace> hmm
[11:35] <LinuxJones> djst, I have a 32 meg GF2MX card and it doesn't work on that kernel release, for me anyways.
[11:35] <djst> Jesterace:  in order to use the nvidia driver, you should just have to change "nv" to "nvidia", which i did.. and which worked... until all of a sudden it stopped working :(
[11:35] <Jesterace> was there a kernel change?
[11:35] <conner> djst: what kernel are you using?
[11:35] <djst> LinuxJones:  that's exactly what i have.. almost.. 64 mb i think i have
[11:35] <Jesterace> i have a 256mb FX5500
[11:35] <Jesterace> kind of wasted in linux :P
[11:36] <Jesterace> works well with windows and games
[11:36] <calavera> Sander__: did you try rebuilding the 2.6.11-1 without the preemt on the big kernel lock?
[11:36] <djst> conner:  10-5-386
[11:36] <Jesterace> my other box has a 128mb radeon
[11:36] <armando> linuxjones ok it opens a list of repositories but doesnt show any checkboxes.
[11:36] <Sander__> calavera, no. I just use the regular binary kernels. I don't build unless I really have to.
[11:36] <djst> Jesterace:  i just don't get why it stopped working in the first place.. if i never had gotten it to work, i wouldn't feel as frustrated
[11:36] <Jesterace> true
[11:37] <LinuxJones> djst, maybe it's card specific, I can tell you that 2.6.10-4-k7 + nvidia work perfectly. You can easily download apt-get install linux-image
[11:37] <Jesterace> then again hoary isn't listed "stable" yet
[11:37] <Jesterace> there will be strange breakages
[11:37] <Jesterace> however mine was fine untill the update notifier
[11:37] <Jesterace> that won't go away now
[11:37] <djst> LinuxJones:  i will try.. i'm surprised it hasn't been downloaded already because I download like 50+ updates every day
[11:37] <calavera> Sander__: yeah. me too. but since neither of the kernels in hoary works for me, i think i have too try this now
[11:37] <Sander__> Is your machine a laptop or PC?
[11:38] <LinuxJones> djst, I mean downgrade your kernel-image so it works with nvidia
[11:38] <f00fbug> hmm... is there anyway to upgrade to hoary via apt?
[11:39] <LinuxJones> armando, this is killing me :D
[11:39] <xenonite> hi, what would you recommend for a windows switcher: ubuntu or kubuntu?
[11:39] <djst> LinuxJones:  ah i understand.. although i'm not very excited about downgrading the kernel... :(
[11:39] <armando> linuxjones its ok :) I better leave to catch a plane anyway :)
[11:39] <f00fbug> xenonite, kubuntu
[11:39] <armando> But your help has been most appreciated linuxjones :D
[11:39] <f00fbug> apt-get dist-upgrade?
[11:40] <xenonite> okay, anyone else?
[11:40] <calavera> xenonite: i think it depends on what kind of a user you are setting this up for. i think technically less inclined people might be a little more comfortable with gentoo
[11:40] <calavera> oops. i mean gnome
[11:40] <f00fbug> any1{
[11:40] <f00fbug> *?
[11:40] <LinuxJones> armando, sorry I havn't had any beer yet  :P >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[11:41] <xenonite> hm not any? f00fbug? some1?
[11:41] <xenonite> calavera: no not gentoo for that user please
[11:41] <calavera> xenonite: i meant to write gnome.
[11:41] <LinuxJones> djst, you won't be downgrading just installing the last kernel release, what kernel are you running now (uname -r) ?
[11:42] <mike998> calvera: you nearly had me with that gentoo remark
[11:42] <armando> linuxjones: lol have fun ;)
[11:42] <djst> LinuxJones: 10-5-386
[11:42] <LinuxJones> armando, :)
[11:42] <hawke_> xenonite: I'd recommend KDE, so I guess kubuntu.
[11:42] <garret_> questions about gpg key. Trying to add source from a debian source, keep getting the key error, any help?
[11:43] <calavera> mike998: yeah i don't know where that came from. gentoo is definitely not for technically less inclined users
[11:43] <f00fbug> ok
[11:43] <djst> LinuxJones:  but there are newer kernel versions out there.. so your suggestion would still be a downgrade, right?
[11:43] <garret_> deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ ../project/experimental main contrib non-free
[11:43] <hawke_> xenonite: Though, gnome tends to be simpler, so that might be a plus.
[11:43] <LinuxJones> djst, ok sudo -s (password) apt-get update && apt-get install linux-image-2.6.10-5-386
[11:43] <f00fbug> i changed all the dists to hoary.. now if this is as good as debian is apt-get dist-upgrade should just work :D
[11:44] <calavera> xenonite: exactly. for your basic every-day tasks gnome is just simpler and less intimidating than kde
[11:44] <xenonite> yes gnome might be simpler, but she is a windows user now...
[11:44] <mike998> calvera: yeah, the thought of taking days just to get X up and running scares me
[11:44] <djst> Jesterace, LinuxJones: you are right both of you.. installing nvidia-glx wants me to insert the cd, and it also wants me to install the old 2.6.10-4 kernel
[11:44] <Jesterace> really
[11:44] <LinuxJones> djst, argh sorry make that -4
[11:44] <f00fbug> KDE is more appealing to a win user imo
[11:44] <Jesterace> it's working fine with my -5  kernel
[11:44] <djst> Jesterace:  yes, appearantly it doesn't like new kernels
[11:45] <xenonite> f00fbug thats what i thought
[11:45] <Jesterace> with slackware i was able to install the nvidia driver with 2.6.11.4 kernel no issues
[11:45] <hawke_> xenonite: Simply the fact that it is different might help though...Some people adjust better when it's a lot different than when it's almost the same but not quite.
[11:45] <calavera> mike998: i was a gentoo user once. the compile-times weren't so bad for the most part. but after compiling kde for the umpteenth time i got fed up
[11:45] <djst> Jesterace:  although i have to try it, and the first step now is burning the cd and then do what the system tells me to.. then boot with the old kernel and make it work, then choose the new kernel and see if it stops working.. if it does, ..well at least i know more about it
[11:45] <djst> off to burn cd now, wish me good luck :)
[11:46] <xenonite> hawke_ that is a point
[11:46] <LinuxJones> gl :)
[11:46] <NeoGeo64> Help, how do I get the runlevel to 3 so I can install my nvidia drivers?  I tried sudo'ing init 3 but it doesn't do anything.
[11:46] <treke> Is there any good way to predict in what order ubuntu is going to load network devices?
[11:46] <will> NeoGeo64: jsut use the drivers from apt-get
[11:47] <xenonite> hm but if that user dont want to learn that much to get used to gnome
[11:47] <NeoGeo64> That doesn't satisfy me.
[11:47] <NeoGeo64> I want to learn.
[11:47] <NeoGeo64> :)
[11:47] <NeoGeo64> hehe
[11:47] <NeoGeo64> but thanks
[11:47] <NeoGeo64> lol
[11:47] <pipeline> The only thing you'll learn from the nvidia installer is the meaning of pain.
[11:47] <pipeline> Use apt-get or don't do it at all.
[11:47] <xenonite> kde has a better learning curve i thought
[11:47] <NeoGeo64> really?
[11:47] <pipeline> The installer thinks you're using redhat and craps all over your /usr filesystem.
[11:47] <NeoGeo64> ubuntu sucks.  i cant do anything manually.
[11:47] <NeoGeo64> heh
[11:47] <NeoGeo64> im used to slackware
[11:47] <pipeline> Then use gentoo.  No skin off my back.
[11:47] <djst> hmm.. have to install k3b which includes 100 mb of required packages.. :( once again, glad i'mnot on a modem :)
[11:48] <will> NeoGeo64: its relatively easy to do - just build your own module as described in the install!
[11:48] <NeoGeo64> pipeline:  Fine.  I just might.
[11:48] <xenonite> NeoGeo64, swith runlevels via "init <NR>"
[11:48] <will> i did it no problems about 4 months ago on warty
[11:48] <NeoGeo64> I tried that, but it doesn't do anything.
[11:48] <NeoGeo64> heh
[11:48] <will> try again!
[11:48] <hawke_> xenonite: depends on the user...presumably you know her better than me/us.  My general suggestion would be to go with KDE.
[11:48] <will> READ everything :)
[11:48] <pablo921> Is Ubuntu a plug and play OS? When I changed soundcards no sound until I reloaded ubuntu?
[11:49] <NeoGeo64> ubuntu reminds of me windows xp starter edition
[11:49] <xenonite> okay thank you
[11:49] <NeoGeo64> How do I apt-get the nvidia driver
[11:49] <f00fbug> pablo921, it should detect & load the prorer modules
[11:49] <xenonite> i thing i will present her both: a knoppix-kde and a ubuntu-live-cd
[11:49] <xenonite> and let her choose then
[11:50] <phxguy_> did this room die or was it just my connection?
[11:50] <f00fbug> xenonite, no
[11:50] <hawke_> xenonite: that makes sense to me.
[11:50] <f00fbug> a hoary live cd
[11:50] <pipeline> phxguy: It's all you, bud.
[11:50] <phxguy_> seems like it
[11:50] <pipeline> NeoGeo64: You'll have to use Debian Unstable packages.
[11:50] <f00fbug> iirc knoppix still uses 3.3
[11:50] <phxguy_> So can someone help me here
[11:50] <pablo921> Well I've got sound on that box now, but just front channels.
[11:50] <pipeline> NeoGeo64: I'd check the wiki if I were you.
[11:50] <f00fbug> and 3.4 is better :D
[11:50] <NeoGeo64> heh
[11:50] <treke> xenonite: Why use knoppix over the kubuntu livecd?
[11:51] <NeoGeo64> time to COMPILE xmms from SOURCE
[11:51] <NeoGeo64> since ubuntu doesnt come with it
[11:51] <LinuxJones> phxguy, just slowed down I guess
[11:51] <xenonite> treke, i didnt knowe there is one
[11:51] <treke> NeoGeo64: it's in universe
[11:51] <LinuxJones> NeoGeo64, ubuntu comes with xmms
[11:51] <NeoGeo64> xmms: command not found.
[11:51] <phxguy_> think i got moofed or something
[11:51] <xenonite> treke, is kubuntu already sort of mature as in, say suse?
[11:51] <LinuxJones> NeoGeo64, you have to install it dude
[11:52] <phxguy_> i downloaded xmms through synamptic thing
[11:52] <treke> actually it's in main and not universe
[11:52] <xenonite> f00fbug, of course hoary ;-)
[11:52] <treke> xenonite: Having not used suse, I wouldnt really know
[11:53] <f00fbug> xenonite, its not broken ;)
[11:53] <phxguy_> So how can I get my trashcan onto my desktop LinuxJones
[11:53] <xenonite> *g*
[11:53] <LinuxJones> phxguy_, you can right click your desktop then add a link to the /home/.trash folder
[11:53] <phxguy_> ok now i can fix my nick
[11:53] <xenonite> look, i used yoper linux once, and kde was very annoying there
[11:53] <xenonite> suse is better with kde
[11:53] <NeoGeo64> How do I get a list of packages
[11:53] <f00fbug> thats not fair :)
[11:53] <NeoGeo64> with apt-get
[11:54] <treke> apt-cache search xmms
[11:54] <bside>  /part
[11:54] <xenonite> (than yoper)
[11:54] <phxguy> LinuxJones, when i right click I dont get an option to create a link
[11:55] <f00fbug> ummmmmm
[11:55] <NeoGeo64> apt-search xmms returns the locations of a few shared libs
[11:55] <xenonite> f00fbug, u use kubuntu?
[11:55] <LinuxJones> phxguy_, create laucher
[11:55] <f00fbug> apt-get dist upgrade is gonna install xorg right?
[11:55] <LinuxJones> phxguy_,  under Type click link
[11:55] <xenonite> NeoGeo64, do a apt-cache search xmms
[11:55] <xenonite> but dont forget the sudo
[11:55] <f00fbug> xenonite, nah i use gentoo :) but i did use the live cd
[11:56] <xenonite> hm
[11:56] <conner> phxguy: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#showdesktopicons
[11:56] <f00fbug> and it seemed pretty together
[11:56] <NeoGeo64> root@box:/home/tony # apt-cache search xmms
[11:56] <NeoGeo64> libflac4 - Free Lossless Audio Codec - runtime C library
[11:56] <NeoGeo64> liboggflac1 - Free Lossless Audio Codec - runtime C library (ogg)
[11:56] <NeoGeo64> libsmpeg0 - SDL MPEG Player Library - shared libraries
[11:56] <JDigital> Hey ssh-experts. Can anyone help me with my problem: Here it is: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=16718&page=1&pp=20
[11:56] <LinuxJones> phxguy_,  on the command type /home/$USER/.Trash
[11:56] <tsume> hoary has the latest softaware, yhes?
[11:56] <xenonite> f00fbug, hehe from a gentoo-user's pov anything seems pretty stable ;)
[11:57] <tsume> where can I get kernel 2.6.8.11?
[11:57] <f00fbug> debian stable should be changed from woody to relic ;)
[11:57] <f00fbug> xenonite, lol
[11:57] <phxguy> thanks LinuxJones and conner
[11:57] <davix> how do i install an rpm on ubuntu?
[11:57] <LinuxJones> conner, that was alot easier :)
[11:58] <thenuke> davix: with some tool named alien something
[11:58] <calavera> @find calavera
[11:58] <LinuxJones> davix, alien whatever.rpm
[11:58] <xenonite> davix, use alien
[11:58] <davix> tnx dudes
[11:59] <LinuxJones> davix, then dpkg -i whatever.deb
[11:59] <xenonite> hehe pretty fast here
[12:00] <phxguy> that worked!!! yeah =)