marcin_antogra: btw what about this http://home.tiscali.cz:8080/~cz210552/aptrsync.html ?12:10
mvomarcin_ant: for this particular problem (package list updates), please see http://bugs.debian.org/12881812:14
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medwards_mdz: device-mapper documentation is, er, sketchy.  :(12:19
mdzmedwards_: yeah.  I  know a few people who are helpful though12:20
medwards_I RTFS to understand the "p" in snapshot create.12:20
mdzmedwards_: kevin corry of the EVMS project has answered many questions for me12:20
medwards_argh, and argh some more.  I zeroed the entire /dev/sda1, and I still get "Invalid/corrupt snapshot".12:23
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mirakif I do a dd /dev/hda of a full 40G hard drive on a 120G hard drive, will I be able to resize the latest partition, or will the system believe it's still a 40G hard drive ?12:28
lifelessyou'll be able to resize it12:28
lifelessbut you'd be better off copying the partition with parted anyway12:29
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medwards_I swear to Murgatroyd, I had this working!12:49
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Amaranthseb128: are you sure gnome-menus will take an entry from ~/.locals/share/applications and show it over an entry with the same name from /usr/share/applications ?12:52
seb128put a desktop file here and run the pyxdg example, you'll see12:53
AmaranthI've got everything else working perfectly but you still have to run as root to edit root entries because it shows the root one over the user one in the menus12:53
Amaranthi have testingthis.desktop in both places with a different Comment line and both my app (using python-xdg) and the gnome menus themselves show the root one12:53
seb128oh, you have the same in both12:54
Amaranthyeah, i thought you said that would work12:54
Amaranthotherwise i'll still need root to edit root entries12:54
seb128that does if you handle it right12:54
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seb128read the spec12:55
seb128a sec12:55
Amaranthwhat part of the spec tells how to make this work?12:56
seb128D. Implementation notes12:56
seb128Menu editing12:56
seb128" To implement menu editing, the intent is that a per-user file is created. The per-user file should specify a <MergeFile> with the system wide file, so that system changes are inherited. When the user deletes a menu item, you add <Exclude><Filename>foo.desktop</Filename></Exclude>. If the user adds a menu item, you use <Include><Filename>foo.desktop</Filename></Include>"12:56
seb128" If the user moves a folder, you might try to use <Move> elements to represent that, but it's tricky. (Move A/B/C to D/E/F, then move D/E to D/G, note that D/E/F still contains A/B/C while only the original D/E was moved to D/G.) In order to move a folder, you have to "fix up" all moves that move things into the folder being moved to instead move things into the folder's new location."12:56
Amaranthoh, i need to create user versions applications files?12:57
seb128you need to have the .menu files for your user12:58
seb128that merge the system one12:58
seb128and to use these ones12:58
seb128so you can do the changes12:58
Amaranthnow to figure out how to generate .menu files...01:00
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Amaranthoh, Menu.addDeskEntry() might be it01:02
seb128BTW thanks for the work on the menu editor, some users will be happy01:04
Amaranthyeah, i've gotten some nice replies on the ubuntu forums01:05
seb128some beeing an inderterminate number, but that's a frequent request on the mailing lists 01:05
thommdz: yo01:05
lamont_rmdz: defoma cluster uploaded01:08
lamont_rseb128: we have a menu editor!!!!!????!!? woo woo!!!01:09
seb128lamont_r: somebody is working on a menu editor rather01:09
lamont_rah, ok01:09
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Amaranthlamont_r: the old version works, it just doesn't quite follow the spec01:18
Amaranthwell, it does enough to work, just not enough to allow non-root editting of root entries01:19
Amaranthi think Menu.addDeskEntry() is what i need to work with in python-xdg but when i give it my entry it tries to access entry.Name which doesn't exist01:20
Mitariogood night everyone01:21
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thomg'night folks01:22
ogranight thom 01:22
medwards_blood.  y.  hell.01:29
medwards_mdz: zeroing it worked.01:29
medwards_mdz: left a gratuitous mkfs in between zeroing and dmsetup.01:30
dokogood night or good morning, as you like it ;)01:33
medwards_Is there a boot parameter I can use to modprobe ext3 before casper runs?01:33
ogranight doko01:33
mvonight doko01:33
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dholbachgood night mvo01:34
ogranight mvo01:34
mvociao dholbach, ogra 01:35
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medwards_oh, boo.  "Failed to initialize HAL".01:40
medwards_"hald timed out on ep0in"???01:42
medwards_hmm, looks like I need to blacklist the USB stick from hotplug when casper's got hold of it.01:44
dholbachi'm off to bed... good night to you all01:50
medwards_thom: looks like you maintain hotplug for ubuntu; any thoughts on how to blacklist just the first USB stick from hotplug?01:52
medwards_thom: sorry, looks like a hal problem, not hotplug.01:59
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tsumeto explain why the newer nvidia module isn't in the archive?02:08
tsume*can anyone explain02:08
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RochaGood evening02:08
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RochaWill mono 1.1.4 be available for hoary?02:09
zultsume: because we are close to release we are concentrating on stabilization02:09
rvallesI need to know how the gcc wrapper works in ubuntu02:09
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tsumezul: after that will there be normal updates again?02:09
rvallestried to find documentation on it, but no luck02:09
zultsume: should be02:09
rvallesthe thing is, I have gcc-3.4 installed02:09
tsumezul: I like current software, I don't like using outdated "crap"02:09
rvallesroot@LeChuckK7:/ # kk02:09
rvallesbash: kk: command not found02:09
rvallesroot@LeChuckK7:/ # gcc02:09
rvallesbash: /usr/bin/gcc: No existe el fichero o el directorio02:10
medwards_OK, it's fine as long as I wait until the isolinux prompt to insert the USB stick.02:10
tsumezul: thanks to the near up-to-date kernel, I was able to use my intel 2200BG card in my laptop02:10
tsumeipw2200 module :)02:10
rvallesnotice the difference02:10
AmaranthRocha: mono 1.1.x is unstable, it'll become 1.2 when it's ready for use02:10
rvallesso a wrapper is definitivelly there for gcc02:10
rvallesbut... where is it?02:10
RochaAmaranth, on the website they say that people should use 1.1.4 instead of 1.0.602:11
Amaranthrvalles: gcc is a symlink02:11
AmaranthRocha: That's odd...02:11
RochaAmaranth, in the mono channel too02:11
Rocha(in gimpnet)02:11
rvallesAmaranth: where is that symlink?02:11
rvallesAmaranth: /usr/bin/gcc doesn't exist.02:12
zulrvalles: that is an #ubuntu question02:12
rvallesAmaranth: yet, as you can see, the error I get by typing random crap (kk) is different02:12
rvallesAmaranth: than the one I get typing "gcc"02:12
Amaranthrvalles: have you installed the build-essential package?02:12
rvallesAmaranth: yes.02:12
Rochado you use any graphical cvs tool to manage your files?02:12
rvallesAmaranth: I removed gcc-3.3 to try~ to force gcc to be gcc-3.4, tho02:12
rvallesAmaranth: also reinstalled gcc-3.4, no luck02:13
rvalleszul: they pointed me here.02:13
Amaranthrvalles: move this to #ubuntu02:13
Amaranthit's definately not appropriate #ubuntu-devel discussion02:13
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medwards_mdz: snapshot on USB stick works.  What shall I do with the setup script?02:17
mdzmedwards_: nice, how many pieces is it in?02:17
mdzand where do they fit?02:18
medwards_All you have to do is run the script (hacked from 10snapshot) when booted from livecd/ramdisk and with USB stick inserted but not mounted.02:19
medwards_Then reboot, and enter "live casper-udeb/snapshot/cow-device=/dev/sda1" at the isolinux prompt.02:20
medwards_The freedesktop hal choked when my BIOS saw the stick during boot, so I just wait until the isolinux prompt to insert it.02:20
medwards_that's all there is to it.02:21
medwards_The script zeroes the first 10K of the partition, creates cow and snapshot devices, and runs e2fsck.  The tune2fs -j line is commented out pending a way to modprobe ext3 early enough.02:23
medwards_mdz: got that?02:24
mdzmedwards_: reading now02:26
mdz05load-modules loads ext2; it could as easy load ext302:27
tsumequestoin, are the development branches usually stable to use for a BSDer?02:27
mdztsume: that's a subjective question; you should be able to get plenty of opinions in #ubuntu about it02:28
mdzmedwards_: what was the root of the problem with hal/02:28
tsumemdz: well does at least 75% work most of the time?02:28
tsumemdz: compared to debian -unstable02:28
medwards_BIOS probably does stupid things to enable USB mass storage boot.02:28
tsumemdz: I need up to date software, not outdated software02:28
mdzprior to freeze, we track Debian unstable closely02:28
tsumemdz: but are there conflicts which debian -unstable have?02:29
mdzmedwards_: oh, you're booting from the stick and then also using it for COW?02:29
medwards_tsume: I've had very good experiences with debian unstable, but YMMV.02:29
tsumei.e. seems to take forever to be able to even download the software without missing deps with -unstable debian02:29
medwards_mdz: nope, but if it's inserted, the BIOS tries to give me the option.02:29
mdztsume: our focus is on getting a high-quality release out every 6 months.  this means we don't stay on the bleeding edge all the time, certainly not toward the end of our release cycle02:30
medwards_tsume: your mileage may vary.02:30
tsumethere aren't any assholes like cafuego in the ubuntu community are there?02:33
ograwhat ?02:33
tsumezul: cafuego of #debian02:33
tsumejust a very rude person who doesn't like helping anyone02:33
tsumehe suffers from big penis syndrome ;)02:34
medwards_and for a stretch goal, how about AES encrypting the partition underneath the linear dm device, and asking the passphrase during 10snapshot.  :)02:34
medwards_mdz: given appropriate access, I would be happy to put this stuff up on the wiki.02:35
ogratsume, ubuntu is known for its good helpful community that even tends to avoid such verbalisms like asshole...02:35
tsumeogra: just what I wanted to hear :)02:35
mdzmedwards_: all you need for the wiki is to create an account; it's all open02:36
ograi.e. we have a code of conduct that forces you to be helpful and nice ;)02:36
tsumeogra: debian lacks 'code of conduct'02:36
tsumeogra: I guess its one of the major pros to go for in a project :)02:37
ograbut has a "social contract" 02:37
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tsumethere is a project for graphical linux boot, does anhyone know what it is?02:38
tsumefor a picture during kernel load, etc02:38
ogratsume, but we would also welcomecafuego if he would sign the CoC ;)02:38
tsumeogra: it would be difficult for people like cafuego to agree/act to such a contract02:39
tsumeogra: hmm I thought it was called bootsplash or something.02:39
tsume*something else.02:39
lamont_rbootsplash is something else02:40
lamont_rthat's a heavy kernel mod, etc.02:40
ogratsume, but if he would, and behave accordingly, he could even join :)02:40
lamont_rusplash is ubuntu's all-user-space splash during boot02:40
lamont_rthat isn't in hoary02:40
tsumeogra: that type of acceptance and behavior would be exciting to see.02:40
ogralamont_r, i think we'll have some proof of concept stuff in universe shortly after release, i talked to sladen at FOSDEM 02:41
lamont_rogra: right02:41
ogratsume, :)02:41
zulokies usb storage device list has been updated02:42
ogratsume, ubuntu is always exciting ;)02:42
zuloh you are around lamont_r02:44
lamont_rdoh. discovered.!02:45
tsumeare there any plans in getting bootsplash in the kernel?02:47
tsumezul: any reason not to?02:47
zulyes we are looking at usplash02:47
tsumezul: can usplash show a progress bar?02:48
ogratsume, we have something better: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/USplash02:48
medwards_mdz: under IdeaPool, or maybe BreezyGoalsThatTurnedOutToBeLowHangingFruit?02:48
srbakerhas anyone here played with apple's rendezvous on ubuntu? 02:48
srbakeror any linux-based system, for that matter02:49
zenwhenDoes Canonical support Kubuntu finaially?02:49
ogratsume, usplash will support mng, you can animate what you want with it02:49
tsumealmost firgor02:51
tsumealmost forgot, I've a small grub problem02:51
tsumeit says GRUB at boot, so I had to install lilo02:51
tsumehow can I load the CD and install grub the right way?02:51
tsumethats it02:51
tsumeit freezes and the laptop doesn't boot.02:52
mdzmedwards_: it's on UbuntuDownUnderBofs right now, but I haven't fleshed it out yet (and probably won't do so in that wiki)02:52
srbakerogra, where do i find info on usplash?02:53
ogra http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/USplash02:53
medwards_mdz: will also be nice for poor-man's remastering, since an idle snapshot is a perfectly good cloop and can be rolled right up into a new ISO.02:55
zulheh i was able to reproduce those ata_piix problems on array 603:27
Amaranthi give up, python-xdg hates me03:31
Amaranthpeople can just edit menu entries by hand :/03:32
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bluefoxicycould somebody get me the source files for the users and groups applet?  I'm sure there's a mirror somewhere online, or I can apt-source it?03:33
medwards_mdz: first draft at https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LiveCDPersistence03:34
medwards_mdz: I know diddly about Plone markup, maybe someone could touch it up.03:34
mdzmedwards_: thanks, will look at it soon03:35
mdzsometimes helpful souls trawl the wiki and fix up the markup ;-)03:35
medwards_mdz: I'll try to get around to the AES cryptoloop support once I've succeeded with a remastering cycle.03:36
medwards_mdz: is casper frozen, or can at least the ext3 modprobe go in?03:37
Amarantharg, seb left03:38
Amaranthdoes anyone know anything about python-xdg?03:38
Amaranthbeyond listing menu entries and saving .desktop files themselves it looks entirely worthless03:39
jdubmdz: permission to upload bugfix updates of libvorbis/libtheora that we probably should've had in warty (they're that old)?03:40
medwards_mdz: I don't really see any reason why there should be livecds without at least AES persistent homedir support anymore.03:40
medwards_mdz: thanks for casper, it's excellent.03:40
jdubmdz: i've tested them locally, no problems (and FC3 had them).03:40
crimsunAmaranth: and validation, which is just as important?03:40
Amaranthmeh, i need to figure out how to merge user menus with the main ones03:41
Amaranthi would have thought they'd have a nice catchall setup for this03:41
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Amaranththank you redhat for the example file :)03:46
Amaranthi give up03:55
Amaranththis was intentionally made hard03:55
infinitymdz : regarding #7857, how do I best handle that, since I can't build libapache-mod-php4 without a build-dep on apache-dev (from universe), but the php4 source package is main (with binaries split across main/universe)03:56
lamontmdz about?04:13
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lamontany amd64 owners around?04:27
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zulnight folks04:40
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mdzjdub: if they're the new upstreams, then no, I'd rather not04:42
mdzmedwards_: I'm not touching casper at the moment except for bugfixes, but feel free to keep your changes in an arch branch for now04:42
mdzmedwards_: http://people.ubuntu.com/~mdz/archives/matt.zimmerman@canonical.com--2004/04:43
mdzinfinity: either we split the source, or we don't support apache 1.304:44
infinitymdz : Yeah, I just got advice from daniels to duplicate the source package, build all the main stuff from the main source, and the universe stuff from the universe source.  Ick.04:45
infinitymdz : But it seems resonably sane, except for the maintaining of two branches.04:45
mdzlamont: what do you need?04:45
fgxdo you think ubuntu will have its own boot/install floppy in the future?is it a goal?04:47
lamontmdz: how does the fix suggested in #297543 sound?04:48
mdzlamont: you would know better than i would; I assumed it was at 18 for a reason04:48
lamontwas 18 when I inherited it.04:50
lamontmodule-tools-init is all that is at 20...04:50
lamontI'll poke Md tomorrow and see what he thinks04:50
lamontpb is that I lack an amd64 box to test on.04:51
jdubmdz: they're well tested elsewhere, and will help with streaming stuff04:52
mjg59Somebody really needs to write a driver for that WMI stuff04:57
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schweebjdub: NICE05:03
jdubpretty impressive05:03
mjg59That's quite astoundingly good05:08
mjg59What's the highest number they've managed before?05:08
jdubthe historical high water mark forever?05:12
jdubmight ask ladislav05:12
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infinitymdz : So, do I have your okay to do that (re: duplicate main/universe source packages).  Does the archive deal with that sanely, or do I need to rename one to php4-universe or something?05:16
elmoof course you can't duplicate the source with the same name05:22
elmomain/universe are just components; you wouldn't try and put a package in main _and_ non-free in Debian, right?  same deal05:23
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infinityelmo : Check.  Wasn't sure how they were handled on the backend, as components of a dist, or as seperate dists, happening to release simultaneously.05:27
infinityelmo : So, to duplicate the source, I need a php4-universe source package, then.  Can do.  (Did I say "ick" yet?)05:28
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srbakerfor some reason knoppix makes my sound work every time, and it wont' work in ubuntu :(  i think it has omething to do with OSS05:31
schweebubuntu uses ALSA... I believe knoppix does now too05:32
elmoinfinity: well - supporting apache 1.3 for 18 months would be even more icky05:34
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sladenmedwards_: how much extra work would it be to have a loopback file on the USB/whatever device as the persisent home.  This strikes me that it'd work across USB/vfat/windows partitions much better06:07
sladenmedwards_: my (limited) knowledge of DM tells me it should be possible to take the existing memory-backed snapshot and write that to device/file retrospectively.  Avoiding the need to reboot and pass in a cow device06:09
infinityHrm.  If initscripts (which is priority: required) depends on lsb-base, is it really sane to change every package which provides an init script to ALSO depend on lsb-base?06:14
elmoinfinity: partial upgrades?06:14
infinityFrom pre-warty?06:15
elmoor Debian?06:15
infinityinitscripts has depended on lsb-base since before warty released.06:15
infinityFair nuff.06:16
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lamontmdz: what severity do you want the hoary-test/ia64 build failures at?  normal? or critical?06:33
elmoinfinity: don't take that as authoritative, I'm just guessing06:34
infinityelmo : Well, it makes sense.  I just wish it didn't. ;)06:36
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bob2I like how scrollkeeper hangs on install if you don't have network access08:24
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froudMitario: ping08:49
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Mithrandirelmo: could you please sync db3?09:21
Mithrandirthanks a lot09:25
tritiumelmo, I sent requests to keyring and upload last Sunday.  Should I be all set?09:29
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dholbachgoood morning!09:41
lunitikPlease can *someone* kick 'you' in #ubuntu?09:42
dholbachdaniels: thanks for dbus-mono - i'll take care of the uploads once it's in the archive09:42
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danielsdholbach: thanks a lot mate10:16
danielsdholbach: afaict, it's just tomboy and muine that needed uploading10:17
dholbachdaniels: my pleasure...  have still to do quite a lot of uploads, and i already prepared them :-)10:17
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danielsdholbach: the c abi hasn't been touched, but because of the version bump, all the mono apps need to be rebuilt; apt-cache rdepends only showed those two10:17
danielsdholbach: awesome10:17
danielsdholbach: then do we get awesome beagle love? :)10:17
dholbachdaniels: to be honest, i'm just relying on your and tseng's word10:17
dholbachi'm on amd64 :-)10:18
danielsdholbach: afaict, 'it works'10:18
danielsyeah, me too10:18
danielsbut I have an i386 laptop10:18
dholbachah... well i haven't :-)10:18
danielsi can't imagine ever going back to an i386 desktop10:18
dholbachno... it's only 3 months now, but i wouldnt switch back again10:18
dholbacheven with those amd64isms on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseUnmetDeps :-)10:19
elmodaniels: you saw the REJECT right?10:19
danielselmo: for dbus in debian?  yeah, what's up with that?10:19
danielsi saw it ... with no attached note10:20
elmoerr, no, in ubuntu10:20
danielselmo: er, no10:20
danielshaven't checked my mail since I uploaded10:20
danielslet me guess: targeted at unstable?10:20
elmoRejected: dbus_0.23.4-0ubuntu1.dsc refers to dbus_0.23.4.orig.tar.gz, but I can't find it in the queue or in the pool.10:20
danielsah, bong10:20
danielsi actually was careful to do -sa the first time around10:21
danielsthen, right before I uploaded, I did a tiny tweak, and forgot -sa10:21
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elmohoary-test's gone from 60% to 90% in like half an hour :>10:28
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=== Mitario wakes up
Mitariohi everyone11:11
dholbachhey Mitario 11:11
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mvohey Mitario 11:23
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dholbachhey mvo 11:24
mvohey dholbach 11:25
tritiumlamont, ping11:27
Mitariomvo, http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/update-manager/ :-)11:27
Amaranthi now know more about the fd.o menu spec then i ever wished to11:28
Amaranthon the plus side, my menu editor works without running as root now :)11:29
Mitarionice one :-)11:29
dholbachAmaranth: cool11:31
Mitariomvo, ping :-)11:33
Amaranthhmm, it doesn't actually change the menu and if i reload the editor the change is reverted....11:35
mvoMitario: checking just now :)11:38
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mvoMitario: ahhh nice :)11:38
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mvoMitario: let's see if I can access it with my account :)11:38
Mitariomvo, indeed :-)11:38
Mitariomvo, i'll notify the translaters & contribers11:38
Amaranththis is the buggiest thing i've ever seen11:38
Amaranthsometimes it uses the .menu file, sometimes it doesn't, sometimes it uses part of it11:38
froudMitario: must I now work on gnome cvs for the docs?11:39
Amaranthall i've managed to do consistently is blank my applications menu11:39
Amaranthwhere is seb when you need him?11:39
Mitariofroud, yes, if you wish, do you have a cvs account there?11:39
mvoMitario: updating ... :)11:39
froudMithrandir: no11:39
Mitariomvo, nice :)11:40
froudsorry Mitario no11:40
Mitariofroud, ok, no problem, if you wish i can request one for you11:40
froudMitario:  I was about to update to add the "Add CD" button and once you have the Help Button Enable redo the captures11:41
froudMitario: It's a good idea11:41
mvoMitario: hm, we need to add a help button :)11:41
froudmvo: snap11:42
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Mitariomvo, heh umm, i think we have to redo the UI a bit then :-)11:42
Mitariomvo, otherwise it'll look cluttered :(11:42
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mvoMitario: *nod*11:43
Mitariofroud, anyways, wait until you commit, or checkout the source from anonymous cvs.gnome.org and send us a patch11:43
froudMitario: *nod*11:43
Mitarioit'll only be for a short time11:43
froudMitario: OK11:43
Mitarionow, sorting my e-mail first..11:44
Mitariowill get to the stuff in a bit11:44
froudMitario: problem is to do that once screen changes are finished. no point documenting if the interface is changing11:44
dholbachdaniels: seems like i'm ready to go11:45
Mitariofroud, true11:46
Mitariomvo, froud maybe we can do some kind of UI freeze one week before 5.4?11:46
Mitariowhich is about today :p11:46
froudMitario: Um I dont see update-manager in :pserver:anonymous@anoncvs.gnome.org:/cvs/gnome11:46
mvoyes :) it's really a short time now11:47
Mitariofroud, huh.. hmm, maybe anoncvs.gnome.org is not synced yet11:47
froudanyone know how long that takes11:48
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Mitarioi don't know, sorry :-(11:50
Amaranthanoncvs.gnome.org is on mirrors, isn't it?11:50
mvoMitario: I commited a "dirty" property for gnome-software-properties. it will know only ask for updating the packagelist if samething has changed in the sources.list. it would be nice if you could also give it a bit of testing :)11:50
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Mitariomvo, ok did you commit it in cvs.gnome.org? :-)11:51
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Mitarioi'm going to grab some food, i'll brb in 10 minutes11:52
mvoMithrandir: yep11:53
mvoMithrandir: ups, nick-completion error :) have fun in .dk 11:54
dholbachdaniels: uploaded muine and tomboy11:55
mvodholbach: coooooollllll11:56
dholbachmvo: well... i didn't do much on them :-)11:56
dholbachmvo: tseng and daniels made sure you can tomboy around :-)11:57
mvo*rock* tseng and daniels11:57
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Mitarioi'm back12:06
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mvoMitario: now I'm leaving for a bit12:08
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torkelfroud, Mitario: at least one of the anoncvs.g.o mirrors was synced about an hour ago12:10
Mitarioah ok, well, update-manager has been in cvs.g.o for 6 hours now12:11
torkelMitario: sometimes the mirrors are way out of sync, so I usually stick to farbror.acc.umu.se12:12
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andredNow that Ubuntu generates a whole bunch of english locales on install, Ubuntu's gdm suffers from http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=170706 . Check out the language list in gdm and you'll see the mess.12:16
froudtorkel: thanks12:16
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dereshhi 12:32
dereshi have a question avout misdn in kernel version 2.6.1012:33
Treenaksderesh: #ubuntu12:40
dereshi tryed there but no one knows12:41
dereshin kernel 2.6.8 there was a misd support12:41
Treenaksthis is not a support channel12:41
dereshbut when i upgraded to 2.6.10 support is missing12:41
dereshdo i think DEVELOPERS had removed mISDN support form kernel 12:42
dereshso i think this is a right place to ask why?12:42
dereshcoz i dont want to manualy recompile kernel just for that12:43
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dholbachhey seb128 01:07
jdubis it just me, or does firefox 1.0.1 *not* leak like a sieve?01:10
seb128dunno I don't use firefox :p01:10
dholbachjdub: seems to be better at my place too01:10
seb128bah, everybody use that ? :p01:10
dholbachseb128: if epiphany didnt have the problems with at-random-jumping-focus, i'd use it01:11
seb128yeah, this one is annoying01:11
dholbach(if you use tabs and reload pages, while working on others)01:11
seb128the new galeon takles this issue, perhaps epiphany will follow :)01:12
dholbachi love epiphany's tweakable bookmark-bar01:12
jdubah! dbus!01:13
jdubdaniels: thanks :-)01:13
dholbachthe MOTU crew completely fixed their first transition list :-)01:13
jdubseb128: you got benm's mail about g-t/nautilus patches?01:13
jdubdholbach: :-)01:14
dholbachUniverseHowlRebuildTODO will be next, right seb128? :-)01:14
seb128jdub: nop01:14
seb128dholbach: yep01:14
jdubseb128: what's your ubuntu.com address?01:14
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dholbachseb128: what about #7887? shall i just rebuild libgnomeuimm2.0?01:15
ograhow is the status there01:15
seb128dholbach: feel free01:15
seb128I've to go for lunch01:15
dholbachseb128: ok01:15
jdubogra: don't you have ubuntu addresses yet?01:15
dholbachseb128: bon apptit01:15
seb128bbl (~30 min)01:15
ograjdub, afaik not01:16
jdubseb128: hrm, benm mailed you and cc'ed me01:16
jdubseb128: i'll forward again01:16
ograjdub, thats why hwdb-client still says the users should send their data to hostmaster@grawert.net in the last step ;)01:17
ogragot 35 submits so far :-D01:17
dholbachogra: you should tell the people to gzip it, or do it yourself ;-)01:18
ogradholbach, my server can cope with 300k attachments :)01:18
dholbachogra: i thought it was only to polite to gzip it :-)01:19
dholbachsince xml compresses so fine01:19
ograand for release it will subimt to a ubuntu server so its only some weeks01:19
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mdkewho's in charge of the mailing lists? mako? anyone else?01:22
ogramdke, jdub01:22
mdkehi ogra 01:23
mdkeare either around do you know?01:23
dholbachmdke: why don't you try a "jdub: ping" and see if he responds :-)01:24
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mdkehi dholbach, i got an email this morning confirming your worries about the wiki01:24
dholbachmdke: confirming worries?01:24
ogramdke, you care for the new stuff there ?01:25
mdkedholbach, because if they are here, they will have highlights already :)01:25
mdkeogra, well sort of, everyone does really01:25
ogramdke, would be nice to have _any_ trace of MOTU on the frontpage01:25
mdkeogra, stick it on.01:25
dholbachmdke is the moin specialist giving me 30 wiki mails in half an hour :-)01:25
mdkeogra, but really the ideal would be to cut down the frontpage making it simpler. maybe put a reference on the developer documents, and the "how to contribute" pages01:26
mdkedholbach, i'll paste you the email in PM01:26
dholbachmdke: yes... seems to underline IdeasForNewFrontPageStructure01:28
mdkealso an italian user said the same thing this morning, that the wiki isn't accessible enough01:28
dholbachit would be nice if the frontpage itself could manage encouraging and guiding towards "getting involved" in a nice way01:30
dholbachso we don't loose willing contributors on the way01:30
dholbachseb128: shouldnt libgnomeuimm2.0 then turn up in   apt-cache rdepends libhowl0   ?01:32
jdubmdke: mail dude, mail.01:32
mdkeok sorry01:32
mdkejdub, ok done01:34
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seb128dholbach: why ?01:50
dholbachseb128: shlibs:Depends should add it, or am i wrong?01:51
dholbachseb128: grep howl /usr/lib/*.la is empty too01:51
seb128dholbach: so what's the issue ?01:51
seb128why do you want to make it depends on libhowl ?01:51
dholbachi don't want it to01:51
dholbachi thought it was01:51
seb128on ia6401:52
seb128according to the build log01:52
seb128are you on an ia64 ?01:52
dholbachoh... *reading again*01:52
dholbachno... unfortunately not01:52
seb128so wait for lamont's reply01:52
dholbachsorry for the confusion01:52
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seb128jdub: thanks for the fwd. I've received the mail according to the logs but plobably dropped it in the middle of the 20 spams around it02:03
seb128hate hate spams02:06
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trukulodaniels, WHERE ???02:13
dholbachwb daniels :-)02:14
danielstrukulo: dunno, but I want it in universe :)02:14
trukulodaniels, me too, i'm trying to compile it02:14
trukulojust now02:14
danielsi can compile and use it just fine on my laptop :)02:14
trukulobut i have problems compiling it02:14
danielsit just needs an eager packager02:14
danielsi just followed HoaryBeagleInstallGuide02:14
trukulowith one line: ./DBusisms.cs(67) error CS0117: `DBus.BusDriver' does not contain a definition for `NameOwnerChanged'02:14
ogradaniels, quick, port it to amd64 :-P02:15
trukuloi dont't compile any packages, just use everything from hoary02:15
trukulohave to work, but it doesn't02:15
dholbachyeah daniels: i will even say "please" :-)02:15
danielsogra: it works on amd64 just fine; just needs repackaging for 1.102:15
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danielstrukulo: weird ... i think i was using latest cvs02:15
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ogradholbach, wb02:16
trukulodaniels, i'm using 0.0.7 from web02:16
dholbachogra: one ctrl-w too much :-)02:16
trukulonot cvs, perhaps that's the problem02:16
danielstrukulo: i'll just update and rebuild cvs and see if it works ok or if i was on crack :)02:17
trukulodaniels, i'll use cvs too, then02:18
trukulothanks for info ;)02:18
trukulobut tseng is working on package for universe02:18
danielstseng: my hero02:21
danielstrukulo: 02:21
danielsmake[1] : Leaving directory `/home/daniels/src/beagle/beagle'02:21
danielsmake clean all  45.76s user 4.50s system 53% cpu 1:33.16 total02:21
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trukulook, daniel, i'm going to try it02:21
trukuloYou should add the contents of `/usr/share/aclocal/libtool.m4' to `aclocal.m4'.02:26
trukuloRunning aclocal  ...02:26
trukuloaclocal: configure.in: 113: macro `AM_CXXFLAGS' not found in library02:26
trukuloaclocal: configure.in: 128: macro `AM_CXXFLAGS' not found in library02:26
trukulofailing for me :P02:27
trukuloi think i'll just wait for tseng package02:27
trukuloi'm very bad at compiling things02:27
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danielstry this: sudo apt-get install automake- automake1.4- automake1.6- automake1.702:28
trukuloautomake 1.7 not installed, could be this02:29
trukuloseems to work now, thanks02:30
danielsno worries :)02:33
danielsautomake is ... um ... annoying like that02:33
danielsright now 1.7 seems to be the spot where everything works02:33
trukuloi'll note that as important here02:34
trukulonow seems to compile fine02:34
danielscool :)02:35
trukuloSystem.DllNotFoundException: dbus-glib-1 in <0x00053> (wrapper managed-to-native)02:36
trukulocompiled, but doesn't work well :) anyway, thanks, i'll look at it now02:37
danielstrukulo: sudo apt-get install dbus-glib-1 :)02:37
trukuloit's installed02:37
trukuloDEBUG: Initializing D-BUS02:40
trukuloFATAL: Could not initialize Beagle's bus connection.02:40
trukuloFATAL: System.DllNotFoundException: dbus-glib-102:40
danielsit just tries to open the .so02:40
trukulothat's it !02:41
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trukulodaniels, thanks, installed and working02:46
mjg59daniels: Did you see my messages about i915?02:49
trukuloWARN: Could not open /dev/inotify02:52
trukulo:P too beutiful to be real02:52
danielsmjg59: something about broken or seomthing02:53
danielstrukulo: heh :) you need to boot with the 'inotify' option02:53
ogratrukulo, enable it with the inotify bootopton02:53
trukuloah, thanks for info !02:53
trukuloi love you ppl02:53
trukulorebooting then02:53
ograhmm, should we have told him hat it may lock up his system ?02:54
ograthat even02:55
jordiKamion: did you have time to play with nano 1.3.5+cvs?02:55
torkelshouldn't beagle work without inotify?02:55
torkelit was just a warning...02:55
mjg59daniels: By default, it's setting the video RAM too low to get working 3D. If I set the VideoRam parameter, nothing seems to change02:56
ogratorkel, dunno, i dont even have mono on amd64 yet02:56
danielsmjg59: bong03:01
danielsmjg59: i've never played with real i915 hardware, but it may have a hostile bios03:01
danielsmjg59: can you ramp up the allocation in the bios itself?03:01
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trukulof*g hell , when i use inotify, my system halts when gnome is loading03:03
danielstrukulo: yep :\ that's why it's not enabled by default03:03
mjg59daniels: Nope03:03
torkeltrukulo: you should not have to use inotify with beagle03:03
danielstrukulo: it works for some people, but breaks for other03:03
danielsmjg59: craaaack.03:03
mjg59daniels: Indeed03:03
mjg59What's irritating is that there's nothing in the logs about videoram03:04
mjg59(other than Not enough to enable DRI03:04
torkelthey removed the inotify dependency i 0.0.703:04
trukulotorkel, i read about that, but beagle gives me a warn (dev/inotify not found) and haven't got any result in querys03:04
danielsmjg59: ugh03:04
danielsmjg59: it should bomb really loudly when it fails to up the amount03:04
danielsshould -> i think it does, not should -> it would be nice if03:05
mjg59Hrm. Ok, I'll try debugging later on03:05
mjg59(need to go to the pub now)03:05
trukuloumm, no results for me in beagle, strange03:07
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trukuloAccess to the path "/home/trukulo/.beagle/WebHistoryIndex/Index" is denied <- should be that03:08
trukuloERROR: Caught exception while instantiating Files backend03:10
trukuloERROR: System.Reflection.TargetInvocationException: Exception has been thrown by the target of an invocation. ---> System.IO.IOException: Lock obtain timed out: Lock@/home/trukulo/.beagle/FileSystemIndex/Locks/lucene-673d9197cc718c7fe4242669f5ede4af-write.lock03:10
trukulomore problems there , umm03:10
Treenaksuh, remove .beagle & try again?03:11
trukuloi did03:12
trukulosorry, don't want to disturb more here, forget it03:13
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tsumeso how does the ubuntu development differ from debian in the eyes of the developers?03:38
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tsengbeagled needs xattr?04:36
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tsengdaniels: beagle worksforme!!!04:40
tsenghttp://tseng.ath.cx/beagle.png indexing away.04:42
tsenghm it doesnt like our evo-sharp04:43
danielstseng: awesome!04:47
danielsright now it's bedtime though04:47
danielsg'luck with it :)04:47
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_d4vidky all04:55
lamontseb128: there's a reason I didn't mark that one critical...04:57
seb128lamont: ?04:58
lamontthe ia64 bugs04:58
srbakertseng, what's the icon to th eleft of muine?05:02
tsengsystem - admin in your menu05:03
srbakertseng, what theme is that?05:04
srbakernice.  that's my new theme05:05
tsengmine is actually -bluesky or whatever05:07
tsengim off for the day05:07
tsenghave beagle working w/ e-d-s now also05:07
tsengwill hack tonight maybe05:07
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lamontmorning mdz06:00
lamontjust tossed you a hoary-test update06:00
lamontmdz: btw, what severity do you want on the ia64 failures?  Been using 'normal'06:02
lamontalthough I would prefer to have nothing in the archive that we can't rebuild from source...06:04
herveincluding universe?06:04
lamontherve: if it doesn't build from source, it shouldn't be there.  The only way it got there is that _at_some_prior_point_in_time_ it did build06:05
herveso you mean we used to recompile debian imports when the sync was automatic?06:06
lamontall binaries in the archive have been built on data center buildd's.06:07
lamontthere are no binary syncs06:07
lamonthave to rebuild them against our libraries, etc.06:07
hervebut that doesn't explains how gcompris got in there :-)06:07
lamontso the only keys that can upload binaries to the archive are the buildd keys.06:07
lamontand they can't upload source.06:07
lamontit built06:08
lamontor it's not there06:08
herveI had to add a build dep06:08
herveit's problematic anyway06:08
hervethe motu is taking care of it06:08
lamontis the original build of it.06:09
herveyes but the newest failed06:09
lamontand you'll notice that the latest i386 binary in the archive is the prior revision.06:10
lamontall nice an consistant06:10
lamontent even06:10
hervegood point06:11
herveI think gcompris is turning me mad :S06:11
lamontwhich is to say, gcompris is perfectly explainable. :-)06:11
lamontwell, at least why it's in the archive is...06:11
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thomogra/jdub: mind if i NMU xscreensaver to removed the APPROVED crap?06:27
mdzlamont: why does mplayer have an mplayer-custom binary in the archive? that shouldn't be06:30
zenwhenit doesnt even install06:31
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herveby the way, there are still packages of gnome 1.4 in the archive :-)06:36
HiddenWolfYou're kidding me06:36
zenwhenthats pretty funny06:36
herve-dev packages mostly06:37
hervecheck libgnome-dev06:37
hervesome other but I won't list them all :-)06:38
mdzfabbione: ping, re: mplayer06:39
fabbionemdz: pong06:39
fabbione( i don't have heaps of time today )06:39
ograthom, i have my patch nearly ready06:43
mdzfabbione: never mind, it looks like it is correct, only mplayer-custom remains in the Packages file for some reason06:43
fabbionemdz: ok06:44
fabbionethere is one problem tho06:44
mdzelmo: mplayer-custom has not been built by mplayer for a week or so; when will it fall out of Packages?06:44
fabbionefor one mistake the _ppc.deb did build empty once06:44
fabbionewhilt it should have been a FTBFS06:44
fabbionemdz: are you sure none of the packages acutally provides it?06:44
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ograthom, wanted to apply it tomorrow....but if you feel its urgent, go ahead06:45
mdzmplayer-386 | 1:1.0-pre6-0.3ubuntu6 | hoary/multiverse | i38606:46
mdzmplayer-custom | 1:1.0-pre5-0.6ubuntu1 | hoary/multiverse | i38606:46
mdzthe version in the archive is from an older version of the source package06:46
fabbioneah ok06:46
thomogra: ok, if you're doing it tomorrow i'll wait :-)06:49
herveyou seem not to be in a hurry :-)06:49
ograjust needs some small tweaks and i wanted to look at the ESC key thing06:50
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sabmocwho judges the artwork for the breazy badger logo?07:04
sabmocI would like to submit a few WIP's and get some feedback07:05
LBMwhat steps is used to generate the initial ubuntu Xorg configuration?07:06
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Dillweedhello all.  I am currently using the nvidia drivers in hoary and get about 4550 FPS on my graphics card.  I also dual-boot with Gentoo and get about 6550 FPS.  Xorg.conf are the same.07:17
TreenaksDillweed: 07:18
TreenaksFTP with what, and #ubuntu is the support channel, this is the development channel07:18
Dillweedi understand that.  I'm using glxgears.  I was wondering if this was a bug or not.07:19
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Dillweedi mean a difference of 2000fps is huge.07:20
Treenaksglxgears is not a benchmarking tool.07:20
Dillweedi know.  but it was an informal test.  I would of not cared if it was 100fps difference.  I would of taken that as chance, but 2000 is huge and random07:21
TreenaksDillweed: what kind of CPU do you have?07:22
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DillweedTreenaks, athlon-xp 2000+07:23
Treenaksthat shoudn't be much of a problem either07:23
Treenaksdon't have a clue. complain at nvidia07:23
Dillweedi guessing that it is optimization problem?07:24
Treenaksvery unlikely07:24
Dillweedyou think so?  that's basically the only difference between my systems though.07:25
Treenaksnvidia driver version07:25
Treenaksyou sure that's the same?07:25
Treenakson both?07:25
Treenaksweird.. I have no clue, I'd blame nvidia07:25
DillweedI know my systems :)07:25
Treenaks(them being the only uncontrollable factor in this)07:26
Dillweedpossibly, but i don't think so.  07:26
ograits _very_ likely (naerly sure) that nvidia is to blame07:27
Dillweedthe driver is the driver and interfaces with the kernel.  maybe I'm using a tweaked kernel in gentoo and not ubuntu07:27
TreenaksDillweed: are you using the -k7 kernel?07:27
Treenaksthen it's tweaked already07:27
herveDillweed, same xorg and kernel versions?07:28
ograbtw, please move this to #ubuntu, this is not a support channel07:28
herveapart from -k707:28
Dillweedi moved it to ubuntu but no help07:28
DillweedI'm wondering if it is a compiled problem.07:28
ograanyway, this is for ubuntu development...07:28
ograso please keep it over there07:29
DillweedI'm using hoary if that makes a difference07:29
TreenaksDillweed: #ubuntu -- the IRC channel07:29
Dillweedi'm there.07:29
TreenaksDillweed: ask there, not here then07:29
Dillweedgeez not enough sleep.  thanks anyways.  I thought ubuntu was a helpful environment.07:29
herveDillweed, search and ask lists too07:30
ograDillweed, its a nvidia problem, if nobody answers you it might e because only nvidia can help07:30
Dillweedogra, i don't understand.07:30
ograDillweed, we cant change the driver, only nvidia can07:31
ograand we dont know whats going on in the binary..07:31
Dillweedunderstandable, i'll keep looking.  It doesn't look like I'll get help here.07:32
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wasabiI have a cyclic dependency I need to force. =(08:11
stuNNedhi which package if any is gst decodebin in ?08:12
dholbachstuNNed: apt-file search decodebin - this is more of a #ubuntu question08:14
stuNNeddholbach: yes sorry, will do next time08:14
dholbachstuNNed: np08:14
schweebpackages.debian.org is a big help too08:14
schweebif you don't want to keep apt-file updated08:14
schweebdunno if there's a ubuntu equivalent to packages.d.o08:14
stuNNedthanks guys /me keeps mouth shut :)08:17
dholbachstuNNed: nobody told you to shut up :-)08:17
tsumeslirp/misc.o(.text+0x2a): In function `getouraddr':08:22
tsume/home/tsume/qemu/slirp/misc.c:96: warning: Using 'gethostbyname' in statically linked applications requires at runtime the shared libraries from the glibc version used for linking08:22
tsumehow can I correct this?08:22
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WebMavenHi folks. I think th lib.e Python included in Ubuntu is missing a part of the standard08:24
WebMavenAhem, I meant: I think the Python included in Ubuntu is missing a part of the standard lib.08:24
WebMavenspecifically, import profile fails.08:25
WebMavenand it doesn't look like the profile module is installed anywhere.08:26
schweebchris@omglaptop:~$ apt-cache search python2.4 profile08:32
schweebpython2.4-profiler - deterministic profiling of any Python programs08:32
schweebthat what you're lookin for?08:32
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tsumewhy isn't wxWidgets packaged for hoary?09:25
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ajmitchtsume: it is09:28
ajmitchit is in universe09:28
Amaranthdoes wxwidgets finally use gtk 2.x?09:29
tsumeajmitch: erm09:30
tsumeajmitch: universe?09:30
tsumeajmitch: I didnt see anything in dselect ;)09:30
ajmitchtsume: yes, the universe component of hoary09:30
ajmitchcheck your apt sources.list then :)09:30
Amaranthtsume: you use dselect?09:31
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tsumeAmaranth: so? :)09:31
tsumeajmitch: oh I see.09:34
tsumeajmitch: so universe is user contrib?09:34
WebMavenschweeb, no, it's not. I want to be able to do 'import profile'.09:34
ajmitchtsume: mainly it's packages imported from debian unstable that aren't officially supported 09:35
tsumeajmitch: oh.09:36
tsumeajmitch: so I'd be breaking my system if I wasn't careful. Okay09:36
dholbachtsume: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePackages/view?searchterm=universe09:37
ajmitch'not officially supported' doesn't mean they'll break your system :)09:37
tsumeajmitch: debian packagers are pretty stupid, I've tried -unstable before09:37
ajmitchtsume: many of the ubuntu developers are debian packagers, so I'd not say that..09:37
tsumeajmitch: so they just create crap for debian and have it come out polished for ubuntu, cuute :) hah09:38
Kamioner, no09:38
kylemmaybe you're just a moron.09:38
dholbachhey guys09:39
tsumekylem: I don't think so, I tried -unstable debian _several_ times09:39
tsumekylem: *plonk* to you as well ;)09:39
Amaranthtsume: You're talking to a lot of debian developers here...09:40
Amaranthtsume: Some of them may or may not have the power to ban you. :P09:40
Kamionyes, most people here are pretty familiar with Debian unstable and its strengths and weaknesses; but discussion thereof is not on-topic here09:40
tsumeAmaranth: thats because all I see from debian are assholes who like thumping on people who are less fortunate to find manual material09:41
tsumemainly cafuego is an example09:41
Amaranthtsume: You can stop now.09:41
KamionUbuntu is not intended as a Debian-bashing forum09:41
tsumekylem: I know this.09:41
jbaileytsume: Did you figure out your glibc stuff?09:42
KamionWebMaven: yes, that's in the python-profiler package. There are licensing issues with it, so it's separate.09:42
helixtsume: cafuego is not a debian developer, fwiw09:42
Amaranththe profiler license says it can only be used for python, right?09:43
tsumejbailey: I did, it was a silly configure option. If you don't build qemu all the way with every target-list (i386, ppc, arm) then it will error09:43
tsumethe warning wasn't important09:43
KamionAmaranth: right09:43
ajmitchAmaranth: it's quite annoying09:43
tsumejbailey: there was actually more beneath the warning which was making it stop the build09:43
Amaranthi bet09:43
jbaileytsume: Cool.  Also in general, you can't static link an app that has anything to do with authentication, or database lookups (dns, etc...)09:44
tsumehelix: I know, but he is like dblack of the ruby community. He is suffering from big penis symdrome and has some power over the support and project people wise.09:44
dholbachtseng: hey, will you please drop it09:45
tsumejbailey: well :) heh I figured that out. 09:45
dholbachtsume: ^ 09:45
tsumejbailey: I usually only use BSD, but the laptop is an exception :)09:45
dholbachtseng: sorry for that :-)09:46
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tsumedholbach: I'd appreciate it if you didn't interrupt09:46
tsumedholbach: I was answering a statement.09:46
Kamiontsume: cafuego has no power over the Debian project people-wise, and again, this discussion doesn't belong here09:47
tsumeis there a 'multiverse' in hoary?09:47
dholbachtsume: is that so? well, i think for most in here: this is a development channel and nobody really cares who you can't stand09:47
Kamiontsume: yes09:47
dholbach...i think i speak...09:47
tsumewhat does multiverse compose of?09:47
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Kamionnon-free unsupported packages09:48
tsumeokay.. :) then what is the difference between multiverse, and universe?09:48
Kamionuniverse => free unsupported packages09:48
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zenwhenand superverse is where the candy and drinks are kept09:49
Kamiontsume: http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components09:49
dholbachtsume: i referred to a link to the wiki a few minutes ago09:49
LinuxJonesguys there are a couple of idiots spamming #ubuntu can someone pop in and make them stop ?? NeWXeR and Groil09:50
tritiumcan anyone point out a package that has a good watch file for sourceforge.net that I can learn by example from?09:53
WebMavenKamion, but isn't that part of the standard python library? Wouldn't that out it under the Python license?09:57
KamionWebMaven: it is part of the Python standard library, but it is not under the unmodified Python license09:59
KamionWebMaven: see http://www.python.org/doc/2.4/lib/node829.html09:59
Kamionwe've been discussing the issue with upstream10:00
Kamion(not me personally though, so don't ask me for more detail than that :-))10:00
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tsumewhere can I request software for packaging?10:29
tsumewidestudio is an excellent toolkit, and stabple, but debian still have the 4 year old version10:29
tsume4 years old is too long, the new release 3.90-1 has even java support :)10:30
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mdztsume: www.ubuntu.com/wiki/MOTU10:31
mdzthese things go faster if you offer to help, rather than complaining about the current situation10:32
tsumemdz: I can help! :)10:32
tsumemdz: widestudio is important to me, and I use it on a daily basis. I know its stable10:33
tsumemdz: heh.. masters of the universe.. hehe :)10:33
wasabiwidestudio (3.50-2-2) unstable; urgency=low10:37
wasabi  * Orphaned this package.10:37
tsumeit needs to be deleted10:37
tsumemany debianers on a few MLs were getting confused at WideStudio because I told them about it, and they immediately went to the archive instead of the website10:38
mdzit doesn't need to be deleted just because it's an old version10:38
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tsumemdz: and what about the bugs and exploits?10:38
mdztsume: there aren't any reported10:39
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IamNEGATIVECREEPalguem fala portugues?11:09
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ograwho writes such crap...11:10
stuNNedgood manpages *with* examples are key imho11:11
ograIt returns an integer less than, equal to, or greater than zero if  s1  is  found11:11
ograso how do i know if the strings match ??? man, they should learn to explain it right...11:12
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wasabiSo what's the process to get something moved from multiverse to universe?11:15
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thomwasabi: prove to elmo that the license is Free11:21
wasabiokay. this is odd then.11:25
wasabinotice bcel. It's depwaiting on j2sdk1.4 isn't it?11:25
wasabi(trying to interpret)11:25
wasabihowever, it doesn't actually depend on j2sdk1.4 anymore11:27
Amaranthanyone here know how the fd.o menu spec works?11:32
Amaranthi've got an applications.menu file in ~/.config/menus/ that merges user entries into the GNOME menu but it doesn't replace system ones with their user versions11:32
Amaranthlike if i have testingthis.desktop in the system menus and the user ones it uses the system one11:33
dokoLANGUAGE is a colon separated list of locale names, is there a reason why the encoding is not included in the locale names?11:37
dokokamion: ^^^11:43
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lamontwasabi: you need something cleared?11:47
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lamontwasabi: I have informed the buildd that j2sdk1.4 is there.11:49
wasabiIt's not there. ;)11:49
lamontmind you, that's a lie11:49
wasabiJust to test, for future knowledge, I did a second upload.11:49
wasabiI was just curious if it would bump it.11:49
lamontbut it's easier than taking the one package, and giving it back11:50
lamontit won't11:50
wasabiIn case you get hit by a train someday.11:50
lamontdep-waits are forever11:50
WebMavenKamion, thanks for the pointer.11:50
wasabiSeems like depwaits should update if there is a new version available. ;011:50
lamontthere are lamont-backups11:50
lamontand there are times it seems they shouldn't.11:50
ograthom, a present for you....11:50
dholbachlamont: tritium nearly cleared the whole defoma list, it's done now11:50
lamontsometimes the depwait is not immediately obvious from looking at the package, etc.11:50
ogra(hope it builds everywere)11:50
lamontdholbach: woot11:51
WebMavenThe zope3 package depends on the presence of the profile module (at least for running the unit tests)11:51
wasabilamont, j2sdk1.3 also11:51
wasabifor rhino11:51
wasabimy other package in question. ;011:51
thomogra: new screensaver? oooooh oooooh oooh11:52
ogradidnt fix the ESC key thing yet, but designwise it should be k now11:54
dokoWebMaven: please could you file a but report11:54
lamontwasabi: done11:55
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dholbachlamont: have fun :-)11:59
lamontoh yeah.  loads.11:59
dholbachgood :-)11:59
ogralamont, what do they bite ?11:59
Loevborgthom, your nickname upsets me - each time I see it, I wonder if you might be the real thom. disappointment quickly ensues.12:01

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