[12:10] ogra: btw what about this http://home.tiscali.cz:8080/~cz210552/aptrsync.html ? [12:14] marcin_ant: for this particular problem (package list updates), please see http://bugs.debian.org/128818 === mirak [~mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-32-243.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:19] mdz: device-mapper documentation is, er, sketchy. :( [12:20] medwards_: yeah. I know a few people who are helpful though [12:20] I RTFS to understand the "p" in snapshot create. [12:20] medwards_: kevin corry of the EVMS project has answered many questions for me [12:23] argh, and argh some more. I zeroed the entire /dev/sda1, and I still get "Invalid/corrupt snapshot". === Loevborg [~loevborg@d36-33.dip.isp-service.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:28] if I do a dd /dev/hda of a full 40G hard drive on a 120G hard drive, will I be able to resize the latest partition, or will the system believe it's still a 40G hard drive ? [12:28] you'll be able to resize it [12:29] but you'd be better off copying the partition with parted anyway === buga is now known as buga-away [12:49] I swear to Murgatroyd, I had this working! === mdke [~matt@mdke.user] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [12:52] seb128: are you sure gnome-menus will take an entry from ~/.locals/share/applications and show it over an entry with the same name from /usr/share/applications ? [12:53] put a desktop file here and run the pyxdg example, you'll see [12:53] I've got everything else working perfectly but you still have to run as root to edit root entries because it shows the root one over the user one in the menus [12:53] hum [12:53] i have testingthis.desktop in both places with a different Comment line and both my app (using python-xdg) and the gnome menus themselves show the root one [12:54] oh, you have the same in both [12:54] yeah, i thought you said that would work [12:54] otherwise i'll still need root to edit root entries [12:54] that does if you handle it right === fgx [~fgx@host161-236.pool8254.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:55] no [12:55] read the spec [12:55] a sec [12:56] err [12:56] what part of the spec tells how to make this work? [12:56] http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/menu-spec-0.9.html [12:56] D. Implementation notes [12:56] Menu editing [12:56] " To implement menu editing, the intent is that a per-user file is created. The per-user file should specify a with the system wide file, so that system changes are inherited. When the user deletes a menu item, you add foo.desktop. If the user adds a menu item, you use foo.desktop" [12:56] " If the user moves a folder, you might try to use elements to represent that, but it's tricky. (Move A/B/C to D/E/F, then move D/E to D/G, note that D/E/F still contains A/B/C while only the original D/E was moved to D/G.) In order to move a folder, you have to "fix up" all moves that move things into the folder being moved to instead move things into the folder's new location." [12:57] [12:57] that [12:57] oh, i need to create user versions applications files? [12:58] right [12:58] hrm [12:58] you need to have the .menu files for your user [12:58] that merge the system one [12:58] and to use these ones [12:58] so you can do the changes [01:00] now to figure out how to generate .menu files... === zenwhen [zenwhen@h-67-102-63-103.phlapafg.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:02] oh, Menu.addDeskEntry() might be it [01:04] nice [01:04] BTW thanks for the work on the menu editor, some users will be happy [01:05] yeah, i've gotten some nice replies on the ubuntu forums [01:05] some beeing an inderterminate number, but that's a frequent request on the mailing lists [01:05] mdz: yo [01:08] mdz: defoma cluster uploaded [01:09] seb128: we have a menu editor!!!!!????!!? woo woo!!! [01:09] lamont_r: somebody is working on a menu editor rather [01:09] ah, ok === lamont_r slumps back down in his seat, determined to be patient. === herve [~herve@bar.oursours.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["a] === bradb [~bradb@modemcable022.154-81-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth stabs the menu spec [01:18] lamont_r: the old version works, it just doesn't quite follow the spec [01:19] well, it does enough to work, just not enough to allow non-root editting of root entries [01:20] i think Menu.addDeskEntry() is what i need to work with in python-xdg but when i give it my entry it tries to access entry.Name which doesn't exist [01:21] good night everyone === seb128 [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-7-141.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:22] g'night folks [01:22] night [01:22] night thom [01:29] blood. y. hell. [01:29] mdz: zeroing it worked. [01:30] mdz: left a gratuitous mkfs in between zeroing and dmsetup. [01:33] good night or good morning, as you like it ;) [01:33] Is there a boot parameter I can use to modprobe ext3 before casper runs? [01:33] night doko [01:33] night doko === mvo -> bed too (was up way too long) [01:34] good night mvo [01:34] night mvo [01:35] ciao dholbach, ogra === srbaker [~srbaker@blk-137-92-118.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:40] oh, boo. "Failed to initialize HAL". [01:42] "hald timed out on ep0in"??? [01:44] hmm, looks like I need to blacklist the USB stick from hotplug when casper's got hold of it. [01:50] i'm off to bed... good night to you all [01:52] thom: looks like you maintain hotplug for ubuntu; any thoughts on how to blacklist just the first USB stick from hotplug? [01:59] thom: sorry, looks like a hal problem, not hotplug. === tsume [~tsume@freebsd0.dcrin3.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:08] to explain why the newer nvidia module isn't in the archive? [02:08] *can anyone explain === Rocha [~hrocha@195-23-167-102.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:08] Good evening === rvalles [~lodoss@80-29-3-129.adsl.nuria.telefonica-data.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:08] hi [02:09] Will mono 1.1.4 be available for hoary? [02:09] tsume: because we are close to release we are concentrating on stabilization [02:09] I need to know how the gcc wrapper works in ubuntu === ian_brasil [~vern@200.222.35.126] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:09] zul: after that will there be normal updates again? [02:09] tried to find documentation on it, but no luck [02:09] tsume: should be [02:09] the thing is, I have gcc-3.4 installed [02:09] zul: I like current software, I don't like using outdated "crap" [02:09] root@LeChuckK7:/ # kk [02:09] bash: kk: command not found [02:09] root@LeChuckK7:/ # gcc [02:10] bash: /usr/bin/gcc: No existe el fichero o el directorio [02:10] OK, it's fine as long as I wait until the isolinux prompt to insert the USB stick. [02:10] zul: thanks to the near up-to-date kernel, I was able to use my intel 2200BG card in my laptop [02:10] ipw2200 module :) [02:10] notice the difference [02:10] Rocha: mono 1.1.x is unstable, it'll become 1.2 when it's ready for use [02:10] so a wrapper is definitivelly there for gcc [02:10] but... where is it? [02:11] Amaranth, on the website they say that people should use 1.1.4 instead of 1.0.6 [02:11] rvalles: gcc is a symlink [02:11] Rocha: That's odd... [02:11] Amaranth, in the mono channel too [02:11] (in gimpnet) [02:11] Amaranth: where is that symlink? [02:12] /usr/bin/gcc [02:12] Amaranth: /usr/bin/gcc doesn't exist. [02:12] rvalles: that is an #ubuntu question [02:12] Amaranth: yet, as you can see, the error I get by typing random crap (kk) is different [02:12] Amaranth: than the one I get typing "gcc" [02:12] rvalles: have you installed the build-essential package? [02:12] Amaranth: yes. [02:12] do you use any graphical cvs tool to manage your files? [02:12] Amaranth: I removed gcc-3.3 to try~ to force gcc to be gcc-3.4, tho [02:13] Amaranth: also reinstalled gcc-3.4, no luck [02:13] *facepalm* [02:13] zul: they pointed me here. [02:13] rvalles: move this to #ubuntu [02:13] it's definately not appropriate #ubuntu-devel discussion === maskie [~maskie@196-30-109-180.uudial.uunet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:17] mdz: snapshot on USB stick works. What shall I do with the setup script? [02:17] medwards_: nice, how many pieces is it in? [02:18] and where do they fit? [02:19] All you have to do is run the script (hacked from 10snapshot) when booted from livecd/ramdisk and with USB stick inserted but not mounted. [02:20] Then reboot, and enter "live casper-udeb/snapshot/cow-device=/dev/sda1" at the isolinux prompt. [02:20] The freedesktop hal choked when my BIOS saw the stick during boot, so I just wait until the isolinux prompt to insert it. [02:21] that's all there is to it. [02:23] The script zeroes the first 10K of the partition, creates cow and snapshot devices, and runs e2fsck. The tune2fs -j line is commented out pending a way to modprobe ext3 early enough. [02:24] mdz: got that? [02:26] medwards_: reading now [02:27] 05load-modules loads ext2; it could as easy load ext3 [02:27] questoin, are the development branches usually stable to use for a BSDer? [02:28] tsume: that's a subjective question; you should be able to get plenty of opinions in #ubuntu about it [02:28] medwards_: what was the root of the problem with hal/ [02:28] ? [02:28] mdz: well does at least 75% work most of the time? [02:28] mdz: compared to debian -unstable [02:28] BIOS probably does stupid things to enable USB mass storage boot. [02:28] mdz: I need up to date software, not outdated software [02:28] prior to freeze, we track Debian unstable closely [02:29] mdz: but are there conflicts which debian -unstable have? [02:29] medwards_: oh, you're booting from the stick and then also using it for COW? [02:29] tsume: I've had very good experiences with debian unstable, but YMMV. [02:29] i.e. seems to take forever to be able to even download the software without missing deps with -unstable debian [02:29] mdz: nope, but if it's inserted, the BIOS tries to give me the option. [02:29] YMMV? [02:30] tsume: our focus is on getting a high-quality release out every 6 months. this means we don't stay on the bleeding edge all the time, certainly not toward the end of our release cycle [02:30] tsume: your mileage may vary. [02:33] there aren't any assholes like cafuego in the ubuntu community are there? [02:33] who? [02:33] what ? [02:33] zul: cafuego of #debian [02:33] just a very rude person who doesn't like helping anyone [02:34] ah [02:34] he suffers from big penis syndrome ;) [02:34] and for a stretch goal, how about AES encrypting the partition underneath the linear dm device, and asking the passphrase during 10snapshot. :) [02:35] mdz: given appropriate access, I would be happy to put this stuff up on the wiki. [02:35] tsume, ubuntu is known for its good helpful community that even tends to avoid such verbalisms like asshole... [02:35] ogra: just what I wanted to hear :) [02:36] medwards_: all you need for the wiki is to create an account; it's all open [02:36] i.e. we have a code of conduct that forces you to be helpful and nice ;) [02:36] ogra: debian lacks 'code of conduct' [02:37] ogra: I guess its one of the major pros to go for in a project :) [02:37] but has a "social contract" === r0ver [~rover@34-148-126-200.fibertel.com.ar] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [02:37] yep [02:38] there is a project for graphical linux boot, does anhyone know what it is? [02:38] for a picture during kernel load, etc [02:38] tsume, but we would also welcomecafuego if he would sign the CoC ;) [02:39] usplash [02:39] ogra: it would be difficult for people like cafuego to agree/act to such a contract [02:39] orusplash? [02:39] ogra: hmm I thought it was called bootsplash or something. [02:39] *something else. [02:40] bootsplash is something else [02:40] that's a heavy kernel mod, etc. [02:40] tsume, but if he would, and behave accordingly, he could even join :) [02:40] usplash is ubuntu's all-user-space splash during boot [02:40] that isn't in hoary [02:40] ogra: that type of acceptance and behavior would be exciting to see. [02:41] lamont_r, i think we'll have some proof of concept stuff in universe shortly after release, i talked to sladen at FOSDEM [02:41] ogra: right [02:41] tsume, :) [02:42] okies usb storage device list has been updated [02:42] tsume, ubuntu is always exciting ;) [02:44] oh you are around lamont_r [02:45] doh. discovered.! [02:46] bwahaha [02:47] are there any plans in getting bootsplash in the kernel? [02:47] no [02:47] zul: any reason not to? [02:47] yes we are looking at usplash [02:48] zul: can usplash show a progress bar? [02:48] tsume, we have something better: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/USplash [02:48] mdz: under IdeaPool, or maybe BreezyGoalsThatTurnedOutToBeLowHangingFruit? [02:48] has anyone here played with apple's rendezvous on ubuntu? [02:49] or any linux-based system, for that matter [02:49] Does Canonical support Kubuntu finaially? [02:49] tsume, usplash will support mng, you can animate what you want with it [02:49] financially* [02:51] almost firgor [02:51] oops [02:51] almost forgot, I've a small grub problem [02:51] it says GRUB at boot, so I had to install lilo [02:51] how can I load the CD and install grub the right way? [02:51] ? [02:51] GRUB [02:51] thats it [02:52] it freezes and the laptop doesn't boot. [02:52] medwards_: it's on UbuntuDownUnderBofs right now, but I haven't fleshed it out yet (and probably won't do so in that wiki) [02:53] ogra, where do i find info on usplash? [02:53] http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/USplash [02:55] thanks [02:55] mdz: will also be nice for poor-man's remastering, since an idle snapshot is a perfectly good cloop and can be rolled right up into a new ISO. [03:27] heh i was able to reproduce those ata_piix problems on array 6 [03:31] i give up, python-xdg hates me [03:32] people can just edit menu entries by hand :/ === bluefoxicy [~bluefox@pcp484971pcs.whtmrs01.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:33] could somebody get me the source files for the users and groups applet? I'm sure there's a mirror somewhere online, or I can apt-source it? [03:34] mdz: first draft at https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LiveCDPersistence [03:34] mdz: I know diddly about Plone markup, maybe someone could touch it up. [03:35] medwards_: thanks, will look at it soon [03:35] sometimes helpful souls trawl the wiki and fix up the markup ;-) [03:36] mdz: I'll try to get around to the AES cryptoloop support once I've succeeded with a remastering cycle. [03:37] mdz: is casper frozen, or can at least the ext3 modprobe go in? [03:38] arg, seb left [03:38] does anyone know anything about python-xdg? [03:39] beyond listing menu entries and saving .desktop files themselves it looks entirely worthless [03:40] mdz: permission to upload bugfix updates of libvorbis/libtheora that we probably should've had in warty (they're that old)? [03:40] mdz: I don't really see any reason why there should be livecds without at least AES persistent homedir support anymore. [03:40] mdz: thanks for casper, it's excellent. [03:40] mdz: i've tested them locally, no problems (and FC3 had them). [03:40] Amaranth: and validation, which is just as important? [03:41] meh, i need to figure out how to merge user menus with the main ones [03:41] i would have thought they'd have a nice catchall setup for this === Amaranth facepalms [03:46] thank you redhat for the example file :) [03:55] i give up [03:55] this was intentionally made hard [03:56] mdz : regarding #7857, how do I best handle that, since I can't build libapache-mod-php4 without a build-dep on apache-dev (from universe), but the php4 source package is main (with binaries split across main/universe) [04:13] mdz about? === bluefoxicy [~bluefox@pcp484971pcs.whtmrs01.md.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["That's] [04:27] any amd64 owners around? === lamont needs someone to try a fix for him === mjg59 boggles gently at http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/system/pnppwr/wmi/wmi-acpi.mspx [04:40] night folks === stub [~stub@dsl-246.248.240.220.dsl.comindico.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:42] jdub: if they're the new upstreams, then no, I'd rather not [04:42] medwards_: I'm not touching casper at the moment except for bugfixes, but feel free to keep your changes in an arch branch for now [04:43] medwards_: http://people.ubuntu.com/~mdz/archives/matt.zimmerman@canonical.com--2004/ [04:44] infinity: either we split the source, or we don't support apache 1.3 [04:45] mdz : Yeah, I just got advice from daniels to duplicate the source package, build all the main stuff from the main source, and the universe stuff from the universe source. Ick. [04:45] mdz : But it seems resonably sane, except for the maintaining of two branches. [04:45] lamont: what do you need? [04:47] do you think ubuntu will have its own boot/install floppy in the future?is it a goal? [04:48] mdz: how does the fix suggested in #297543 sound? [04:48] lamont: you would know better than i would; I assumed it was at 18 for a reason [04:50] was 18 when I inherited it. [04:50] module-tools-init is all that is at 20... [04:50] I'll poke Md tomorrow and see what he thinks [04:51] pb is that I lack an amd64 box to test on. [04:52] mdz: they're well tested elsewhere, and will help with streaming stuff [04:57] Somebody really needs to write a driver for that WMI stuff === Burgundavia [~Burgundav@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:01] http://distrowatch.com/stats.php?section=popularity [05:03] jdub: NICE [05:03] pretty impressive [05:08] That's quite astoundingly good [05:08] What's the highest number they've managed before? [05:12] hrm [05:12] the historical high water mark forever? [05:12] dunno [05:12] might ask ladislav === jdub mails [05:16] mdz : So, do I have your okay to do that (re: duplicate main/universe source packages). Does the archive deal with that sanely, or do I need to rename one to php4-universe or something? [05:22] uh [05:22] of course you can't duplicate the source with the same name [05:23] main/universe are just components; you wouldn't try and put a package in main _and_ non-free in Debian, right? same deal === fgx [~fgx@host161-236.pool8254.interbusiness.it] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [05:27] elmo : Check. Wasn't sure how they were handled on the backend, as components of a dist, or as seperate dists, happening to release simultaneously. [05:28] elmo : So, to duplicate the source, I need a php4-universe source package, then. Can do. (Did I say "ick" yet?) === cc [~cc@byte.fedora] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:31] hrm [05:31] for some reason knoppix makes my sound work every time, and it wont' work in ubuntu :( i think it has omething to do with OSS [05:32] ubuntu uses ALSA... I believe knoppix does now too [05:34] infinity: well - supporting apache 1.3 for 18 months would be even more icky === ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-169-124.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-169-124.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === moyogo [~moyogo@Toronto-HSE-ppp3717779.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === janc [~janc@dD5E086F1.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:07] medwards_: how much extra work would it be to have a loopback file on the USB/whatever device as the persisent home. This strikes me that it'd work across USB/vfat/windows partitions much better [06:09] medwards_: my (limited) knowledge of DM tells me it should be possible to take the existing memory-backed snapshot and write that to device/file retrospectively. Avoiding the need to reboot and pass in a cow device [06:14] Hrm. If initscripts (which is priority: required) depends on lsb-base, is it really sane to change every package which provides an init script to ALSO depend on lsb-base? [06:14] infinity: partial upgrades? [06:15] From pre-warty? [06:15] or Debian? [06:15] initscripts has depended on lsb-base since before warty released. [06:16] Meh. [06:16] Fair nuff. === infinity goes to add a bunch of deps. [06:33] mdz: what severity do you want the hoary-test/ia64 build failures at? normal? or critical? [06:34] infinity: don't take that as authoritative, I'm just guessing [06:36] elmo : Well, it makes sense. I just wish it didn't. ;) === `anthony [~anthony@220-253-31-237.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mroth [~mroth@mroth.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:24] I like how scrollkeeper hangs on install if you don't have network access === froud [~froud@ndn-165-131-237.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:49] Mitario: ping === daniels [~daniels@202-44-183-17.nexnet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:21] elmo: could you please sync db3? [09:23] done [09:25] thanks a lot [09:29] elmo, I sent requests to keyring and upload last Sunday. Should I be all set? === jvw_ [jeroen@220pc220.sshunet.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lunitik [~trey@ip68-230-75-109.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [~daniel@td9091a37.pool.terralink.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:41] goood morning! [09:42] Please can *someone* kick 'you' in #ubuntu? [09:42] daniels: thanks for dbus-mono - i'll take care of the uploads once it's in the archive === HiddenWolf [~hidden@136.54.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Simira [~rpGirl@port626.ds1-ynoe.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === enrico [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:16] dholbach: thanks a lot mate [10:17] dholbach: afaict, it's just tomboy and muine that needed uploading [10:17] daniels: my pleasure... have still to do quite a lot of uploads, and i already prepared them :-) === doko [~doko___@dsl-084-059-052-029.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:17] dholbach: the c abi hasn't been touched, but because of the version bump, all the mono apps need to be rebuilt; apt-cache rdepends only showed those two [10:17] dholbach: awesome [10:17] dholbach: then do we get awesome beagle love? :) [10:17] daniels: to be honest, i'm just relying on your and tseng's word [10:18] i'm on amd64 :-) [10:18] dholbach: afaict, 'it works' [10:18] yeah, me too [10:18] but I have an i386 laptop [10:18] ah... well i haven't :-) [10:18] i can't imagine ever going back to an i386 desktop [10:18] no... it's only 3 months now, but i wouldnt switch back again [10:19] even with those amd64isms on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseUnmetDeps :-) [10:19] daniels: you saw the REJECT right? [10:19] elmo: for dbus in debian? yeah, what's up with that? [10:20] i saw it ... with no attached note [10:20] err, no, in ubuntu [10:20] elmo: er, no [10:20] haven't checked my mail since I uploaded [10:20] let me guess: targeted at unstable? [10:20] REJECT [10:20] Rejected: dbus_0.23.4-0ubuntu1.dsc refers to dbus_0.23.4.orig.tar.gz, but I can't find it in the queue or in the pool. [10:20] ah, bong [10:20] thanks [10:21] i actually was careful to do -sa the first time around [10:21] then, right before I uploaded, I did a tiny tweak, and forgot -sa [10:21] cheers [10:28] whee === robtaylor_ [~robtaylor@217.204.121.82] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:28] hoary-test's gone from 60% to 90% in like half an hour :> === mvo [~egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [~travis@amaranth.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mitario wakes up [11:11] hi everyone [11:11] hey Mitario === azeem_ [~mbanck@ppp-62-245-163-216.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:23] hey Mitario === Goshawk [~Goshawk@host239-113.pool8249.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:24] hey mvo [11:25] hey dholbach [11:27] lamont, ping [11:27] mvo, http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/update-manager/ :-) [11:28] i now know more about the fd.o menu spec then i ever wished to [11:29] on the plus side, my menu editor works without running as root now :) [11:29] nice one :-) [11:31] Amaranth: cool [11:33] mvo, ping :-) [11:35] hmm, it doesn't actually change the menu and if i reload the editor the change is reverted.... [11:38] Mitario: checking just now :) === niran [~niran@lucianus.Stanford.EDU] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:38] Mitario: ahhh nice :) === Amaranth [~travis@amaranth.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:38] Mitario: let's see if I can access it with my account :) [11:38] mvo, indeed :-) [11:38] mvo, i'll notify the translaters & contribers [11:38] this is the buggiest thing i've ever seen [11:38] sometimes it uses the .menu file, sometimes it doesn't, sometimes it uses part of it [11:39] Mitario: must I now work on gnome cvs for the docs? [11:39] all i've managed to do consistently is blank my applications menu [11:39] where is seb when you need him? [11:39] froud, yes, if you wish, do you have a cvs account there? [11:39] Mitario: updating ... :) [11:39] Mithrandir: no [11:40] mvo, nice :) [11:40] sorry Mitario no [11:40] froud, ok, no problem, if you wish i can request one for you [11:41] Mitario: I was about to update to add the "Add CD" button and once you have the Help Button Enable redo the captures [11:41] Mitario: It's a good idea [11:41] Mitario: hm, we need to add a help button :) [11:42] mvo: snap === lupusBE [~lupus@dD577295F.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:42] mvo, heh umm, i think we have to redo the UI a bit then :-) [11:42] mvo, otherwise it'll look cluttered :( === tritium [~rimbert@12-202-90-180.client.insightBB.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [11:43] Mitario: *nod* [11:43] froud, anyways, wait until you commit, or checkout the source from anonymous cvs.gnome.org and send us a patch [11:43] Mitario: *nod* [11:43] it'll only be for a short time [11:43] Mitario: OK [11:44] now, sorting my e-mail first.. [11:44] will get to the stuff in a bit [11:44] Mitario: problem is to do that once screen changes are finished. no point documenting if the interface is changing [11:45] daniels: seems like i'm ready to go [11:46] froud, true [11:46] mvo, froud maybe we can do some kind of UI freeze one week before 5.4? [11:46] which is about today :p [11:46] Mitario: Um I dont see update-manager in :pserver:anonymous@anoncvs.gnome.org:/cvs/gnome [11:47] yes :) it's really a short time now [11:47] froud, huh.. hmm, maybe anoncvs.gnome.org is not synced yet [11:47] bummer [11:48] anyone know how long that takes === koke [~koke@rm-001-26.serve.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:50] i don't know, sorry :-( [11:50] anoncvs.gnome.org is on mirrors, isn't it? [11:50] Mitario: I commited a "dirty" property for gnome-software-properties. it will know only ask for updating the packagelist if samething has changed in the sources.list. it would be nice if you could also give it a bit of testing :) === m0rphx [~m0rphx@p83.129.201.210.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:51] mvo, ok did you commit it in cvs.gnome.org? :-) === jvw_ is now known as jvw [11:52] i'm going to grab some food, i'll brb in 10 minutes [11:53] Mithrandir: yep [11:54] Mithrandir: ups, nick-completion error :) have fun in .dk [11:55] daniels: uploaded muine and tomboy [11:56] dholbach: coooooollllll [11:56] mvo: well... i didn't do much on them :-) [11:57] mvo: tseng and daniels made sure you can tomboy around :-) [11:57] *rock* tseng and daniels === Mitario [~michiel@sikkes.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:06] i'm back === cc [~cc@byte.fedora] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:08] Mitario: now I'm leaving for a bit === HiddenWolf [~hidden@136.54.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:10] froud, Mitario: at least one of the anoncvs.g.o mirrors was synced about an hour ago [12:11] ah ok, well, update-manager has been in cvs.g.o for 6 hours now [12:12] Mitario: sometimes the mirrors are way out of sync, so I usually stick to farbror.acc.umu.se === andred [~andre@c-9c7173d5.012-245-6c756c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:16] Now that Ubuntu generates a whole bunch of english locales on install, Ubuntu's gdm suffers from http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=170706 . Check out the language list in gdm and you'll see the mess. [12:16] torkel: thanks === Amaranth heads for bed === deresh [~kkunjas@d-zg10-36.vodatel.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:32] hi [12:33] i have a question avout misdn in kernel version 2.6.10 [12:39] ANYONE?? [12:40] deresh: #ubuntu [12:41]