[12:10] <T-Bone> zul: i killed two bugs ;)
[12:17] <zul> i saw..
[12:17] <zul> 2 more and you have beaten me ;)
[12:17] <zul> not! :)
[12:18] <T-Bone> lol
=== zul kicks bk
[12:46] <zul> T-Bone: you are too quiet tonight
[12:46] <T-Bone> yeah
[12:46] <T-Bone> i might be ill
[12:47] <zul> oh that sucks
[12:47] <T-Bone> really?
[12:47] <T-Bone> i mean, you enjoy me being verbose? :o)
[12:47] <zul> not really ;)
[12:48] <T-Bone> lol
[12:48] <T-Bone> damn you
[12:48] <zul> arrgh..fscking bk
=== T-Bone uses ketchup for good reasons
[12:49] <zul> whats ketchup?
[12:49] <zul> besides the sauce
[12:49] <T-Bone> a very nice script that gets you whatever flavour of the kernel you want
[12:49] <T-Bone> google it
[12:49] <T-Bone> ;)
[12:51] <zul> hmm...neat
[12:52] <zul> ill try it tomorrow but right now ill just bitch about bk :) arrgh bk!!
[02:04] <zul> wohoo...its up
[02:10] <zul> frig...
[02:11] <zul> T-Bone: when did -devel become support?
[02:11] <T-Bone> screw me if i know ;P
[02:12] <zul> why?!! why me...heh
[02:42] <zul> okies...usb-storage-unsual-dev have been updated
[02:46] <lamont_r> sup zul?
[02:46] <zul> not much how are you?
[02:47] <lamont_r> about to get kicked out of my buddy's place, and go back home
[02:48] <zul> ooo...fun fun
[02:49] <T-Bone> lamont_r: thank your buddy for me ;)
[02:49] <lamont_r> h3h
[02:49] <lamont_r> we'll do
[02:49] <T-Bone> and tell him his invaluable contribution to the ubuntu effort will long be remembered ;o)
[02:51] <zul> he jus wants you to work on hppa all the time dont be fooled
[02:51] <lamont_r> he says 'who?'
[02:51] <lamont_r> zul: duh
[02:51] <T-Bone> lamont_r: some nerd you know ;o)
[02:52] <zul> its like the madusa but only slightly more uglier
[02:52] <lamont_r> don't even bring up that PoS software from france.
[02:52] <T-Bone> zul: are you suggesting i look like a medusa? :)
[02:52] <lamont_r> oh,wait.  that was hp-internal.  nm
[02:52] <zul> uh...no...
=== zul whistles
[02:53] <T-Bone> lamont_r: oh. Now you've said either too much or not enough. Please elaborate! :)
[02:53] <zul> madusa?
[02:53] <lamont_r> medusa was (is?) a piece of "security" software that much of HPIT was running on their machines over time, at least until a couple years back.
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[02:54] <lamont_r> source was not available, because that would "compromise the security of the package"
[02:54] <T-Bone> rotfl
[02:54] <zul> T-Bone: i dont read idiot :)
[02:54] <T-Bone> zul: that may get you into trouble ;)
[02:54] <lamont_r> T-Bone: and it was brought to us by the fine folks in grenoble, iirc.
[02:54] <zul> nah idiot would be "T-Bone considers p4wN1nG zul's box to 3duc4t3 him about paying due r3sp3ct to l33t m45t3rZ ;)"
[02:54] <T-Bone> huhuhu
[02:55] <lamont_r> T-Bone: idiot the language, not idiot t-bone... ;)
[02:55] <zul> well it can go either way ;)
[02:55] <T-Bone> zul: yeah. Not reading what is said might get you into trouble when you'll realize what it *meant* ;o)
[02:55] <lamont_r> lol
[02:55] <T-Bone> zul: that would actually get you into trouble for sure ;)
[02:55] <zul> nah...
[02:55] <lamont_r> not sure what pawning would have to do with it...
[02:56] <lamont_r> that requires a trip to the pawn shop, after all.
[02:56] <T-Bone> lol
[02:57] <T-Bone> all your bases are belong to me anyway. Resistance is futile
[02:58] <zul> heh...all your babies belon to me. Resistance is fertile
[02:58] <T-Bone> rotfl
[02:58] <T-Bone> quoting that one
=== T-Bone is now known as T-None
[03:21] <T-None> high time to get some sleep. bye
[03:26] <zul> toodles
[03:37] <kylem> hmm, do you guys have hostap in the warty kernel?
[03:37] <zul> nope
[03:38] <kylem> poop.
[03:38] <zul> prolly for hoary+1
=== kylem shakes his fist.
[03:38] <zul> dont look at me
[03:42] <lamont> "Ya - now I'm trying to get the pchdtv HD-3000 card working on it with MythTV - a number of us at HP are setting MythTV up at home ... Yes - just need the pchdtv.com HD-3000 to be supported/work and we are set.... We are close - the provided driver doesn't quite seem to work on Hoary Hedgehog"
[03:42] <lamont> told him to get me a patch and we'd see if we could make it happen... :-)
[03:45] <zul> so people at hp are converting from debian to ubuntu? cool
[03:50] <mjg59> zul: (cough)
=== mjg59 looks at the large pile of HP kit he has sitting here
[03:52] <zul> mjg59, i was going to ask you about that asus bug in bugzilla today so dont worry about it
[03:53] <mjg59> The Asus bug is crack
[03:53] <mjg59> It's a broken DSDT, we can't work around it properly
[03:53] <zul> that was what i thought
[03:53] <mjg59> I /do/ have to work out why these HPs are misbehaving, though
[03:53] <mjg59> And I've got until the 22nd. Argh.
[03:53] <zul> blame lamont
[03:54] <mjg59> Haha
[03:54] <mjg59> After his time, I feel
[03:54] <zul> that is my motto
[03:55] <mjg59> EEZ LAMONT'S GTK BOOG
[03:56] <zul> hehe
[03:57] <zul> heh...i cant get enough of this concert video
[04:03] <lamont> no, no, no.. blame bdale
[04:03] <kylem> lol.
[04:03] <zul> you are more convient though :)
[04:03] <lamont> yeah, but I don't work there.
[04:05] <zul> you are just my scapegoat though
[04:05] <lamont> heh
[04:12] <mjg59> Grah. I'm going to have to engage mad ACPI debugging skills here,
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[04:31] <lamont> mjg59: you going to UDU?
[04:31] <kylem> drillinger.
[04:33] <mjg59> lamont: Yeah
[04:35] <lamont> mjg59: maybe I'll pester you from some suspend help on my vaio there...
[04:36] <mjg59> Haha
[04:36] <lamont> haha vaio is hopeless?
[04:40] <zul> night folks
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[05:35] <mjg59> Vaio might well work
[05:35] <mjg59> I've had love with them in the past
[05:35] <mjg59> What happens if you just enable it now?
[05:42] <lamont> dunno - been too scared. :-)
[05:42] <lamont> what do I do to enable it?
=== lamont prepares to receive the cluebat
=== lamont upgrades the laptop to current hoary
[05:52] <mjg59> Upgrade to Hoary, edit /etc/defaults/acpi-support and uncomment the second line, save, reboot, login, select logout/suspend computer to ram
[05:53] <lamont> ok.  will take a bit still... was kinda out of date.. but only because it's been a couple weeks since the last upgrade.
[05:55] <mjg59> If you're lucky, the sleep button will work
[05:57] <lamont> ??
[05:59] <lamont> hrmpf.
[05:59] <lamont> do I need the -28 kernel, or is -27 good enough?>
[06:05] <lamont> mjg59: and suspend-to-disk?
[06:06] <lamont> fabbione: do the abi files get delivered as part of the deb? or can we just rename them forward (assuming the builds succeed, of course...)
[06:10] <lamont> looks like the answer to the first question is 'no'.  that sucks.
=== lamont reboots the laptop
[06:12] <dilinger> lamont: delivering them as part of the deb means hacking kernel-package
[06:12] <lamont> bad fabbione: changelog lines > 80 chars wide.  :-)
[06:13] <lamont> dilinger: not delivering them means that the buildd removes them and they're gone.
[06:13] <dilinger> that's correct
[06:13] <dilinger> fabbione's idea was to make a separate abi package
[06:13] <lamont> but the check is to make sure that they're identical, yes?
[06:13] <lamont> in which case one could just rename the directory
[06:14] <dilinger> what are you trying to do?  get around the check, or actually make sure the check is useful?
[06:15] <lamont> make sure that it's useful
[06:15] <lamont> given that the build of 28 fails if 27 doesn't match, then success in building 28 would tend to indicate that the files you had in 27 could roll forward, once 28 had built everywhere, no?
[06:16] <dilinger> not necessarily
[06:16] <lamont> mjg59: don't have a logout/suspend to ram option.  and hitting the power button detected that power button was hit, hit the disk a bit, and then powered down.  on pushing it again, the machine cold-booted.
[06:16] <dilinger> it only fails if a symbol has changed or been removed
[06:16] <dilinger> if a symbol has been added, it merely warns
[06:16] <lamont> ah, not if added.
[06:17] <lamont> ok
[06:17] <dilinger> anyone know if fabbione will be around today (saturday)?
[06:39] <lamont> dunno - neither answer would surprise me though
[07:09] <dilinger> what do you guys do w/ nonfree drivers that prune-non-free strips out?
[07:09] <dilinger> (if anything)
[07:12] <lamont> what way non-free?
[07:13] <lamont> pretty much, they wind up in the linux-restricted-modules packages
[07:21] <dilinger> they include firmware
=== dilinger blinks
[07:25] <dilinger> is linux-restricted-modules source package really another copy of the kernel?
[07:27] <dilinger> guess not. wow, those ati and nvidia source directories are huge
[07:29] <lamont> binary blob drivers suck, btw.
[07:29] <lamont> where it's just the firmware, ISTR that the driver is in main, but the firmware blob is in lrm.  haven't really looked in quite some time though
[07:30] <lamont> at any rate, time to go fall over
[07:44] <dilinger> i don't see it in the linux-restricted-modules source
[07:44] <dilinger> stuff like qla22xx
[07:44] <dilinger> either way, i've got a new prune-non-free that strips stuff out nicely
[07:45] <dilinger> and generates a new tarball w/ pruned drivers, for !main
[08:38] <fabbione> morning
[08:39] <fabbione> lamont: were you searching for me yesterday?
[09:01] <lamont> fabbione: was just going to (1) grumble about the abicheck causing the build to fail before creating the abi files, and (2) grumble further about how the abi files do not survive the build.
[09:01] <lamont> then I tried to go to bed and we had a fire call.
[09:02] <fabbione> lamont: the abichecker in -28 is broken
[09:02] <fabbione> i fixed it in -29
[09:02] <fabbione> the abi files are not supposed to survive the buildd for the version you are building.
[09:02] <fabbione> only the prev_version
[09:02] <lamont> fabbione: I hit it with a hammer and will merge in hppa abi files tomorrow night
[09:02] <fabbione> mdz asked to keep the changes for hoary down to minimum
[09:03] <fabbione> lamont: that's what i did for sparc yesterday
[09:03] <lamont> ok
[09:03] <fabbione> i didn't notice the breakage in -28 until sparc attempted the build
[09:03] <fabbione> but -29 is ok.
[09:03] <lamont> http://www.thinkgeek.com/cubegoodies/toys/71bc/
[09:04] <fabbione> ahhahaha
[09:05] <fabbione> lamont: if you have time, it would be nice to have a "startnewsecurityrelease:" target
[09:05] <fabbione> on the same line of startnewrelease:
[09:06] <fabbione> except that it will create point releases
[09:06] <lamont> right
[09:06] <fabbione> that will be usefull for pitti after release
=== lamont adds that to monday's todo list
[09:06] <fabbione> well just if you get the time
[09:07] <fabbione> i might get there on monday morning
[09:07] <fabbione> no need for a strict TODO entry :-)))
[09:07] <lamont> heh
[09:07] <lamont> I'll poke you before I work on it.
[09:08] <fabbione> sure
[09:08] <fabbione> or just baz update :-)
[09:08] <fabbione> i need to take my wife shopping pretty
[09:08] <lamont> actually baz merge
[09:08] <fabbione> soon
[09:08] <fabbione> better i get ready
[09:08] <fabbione> uh why? aren't you working on pre29 ?
[09:09] <fabbione> or did you create your own branch?
[09:09] <lamont> local copy, to avoid the net traffic
[09:09] <fabbione> ahh
[09:09] <lamont> baz tree-version
[09:09] <lamont> lamont@ubuntu.com--2005/kernel-debian--pre29--2.6.10
[09:09] <fabbione> make sense :-)
[09:09] <lamont> yeah, then it's just the merge back that hurts
[09:10] <fabbione> i guess so :-)
[09:10] <fabbione> anyway...
[09:10] <fabbione> good night lamont :-)
[09:10] <fabbione> i am off from here
[09:10] <lamont> g'night
[09:10] <lamont> likewise
[09:13] <svenl> fabbione: hi.
[09:14] <svenl> fabbione: the gentoo guys did get my gige patch working with 2.6.10, so it may be an issue with the port configuration.
[09:14] <svenl> fabbione: the debian kernel enables just port1, whcih is the connected port, while you enable all three of them.
[09:15] <svenl> mmm, seems it is not that, but they got it working on 2.6.10, i don't know why ubuntu failed here.
[09:15] <svenl> strange.
[09:16] <svenl> will try again, see you later.
[09:17] <svenl> fabbione: maybe you could ask your friend with a pegasos to try, but he needs a OF revision of at least the august 2004 version
[09:17] <Mithrandir> svenl: how do you upgrade the firmware on a peg1 (or can't you?)
[09:19] <svenl> Mithrandir: the same as on peg2, you launch the upgrade from the OF.
[09:19] <Mithrandir> well, how? :)
[09:20] <svenl> i need to build a peg1 OF from the new development tree and test it first, its on my TODO list for the next couple of weeks.
[09:20] <svenl> Mithrandir: boot cd upgrade
[09:20] <Mithrandir> ook
[09:20] <Mithrandir> any chance you could give me an ISO or send me a cd when you've done that?
[09:24] <svenl> Mithrandir: it is just a 640KB file, you can put it on a cd iso all by yourself, you can also boot it from harddisk.
[09:25] <Mithrandir> ok
[09:27] <dilinger> heh.  i should probably get to bed
[09:27] <dilinger> i went to that link lamont posted earlier, and read the first line as "Every first person shooter has a level where you have to get pasta"
[09:32] <Mithrandir> yeah, sleeps sounds like a good option for you. :P
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